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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Suns atop the NBA/Trade with Spurs?
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:13:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.054146.3358@nuscc.nus.sg> NG LING LING writes:
>With Tarkanian being as shrewd as ever, there is NO WAY that he'll trade
>away Elliot. Especially to a divisional rival.
>
>I mean, what if Elliot came back and haunted the Spurs in the play-offs.

Well, they're not quite *divisional* rivals, but your point is well-taken.
However, this is the chance you take with any trade.

>Anyhow, Elliot is an awesome player, getting his time and his money in
>San Antonio, so there is absolutely NO REASON why the shark will trade
>him. I mean, Elliots knee is not even an issue anymore.

If the deal is right, the Spurs will make it.  Somebody on here said something
to the effect of KJ for Elliot straight up.  If Westphal thinks Negele Knight
is capable of leading the Suns to the promised land, and Knight turns out to
be just as good, I say go for it, but I doubt that this one is going to happen.
If it weren't for Elliot, who would Robinson have (aside from Lloyd Daniels)
to help him?  Very little if anything.

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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Suns Report: Phoenix bombs Bullets, Ainge breaks a team record
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:29:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.230317.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:

>12/15/92
>Washington Bullets (7-13) at Phoenix Suns (14-4)
>FINAL: Suns 125, Bullets 110

[...]

>As for the Bullets, well, it just wasn't their night.  Harvey Grant 
>scored 22, but was invisible: sorta like what his brother would be if 
>Pippen and Jordan were MIA.  This was the first time I have ever 
>witnessed Rex Chapman in action; he stank.  Smith was the only decent 
>bench player.   Gugliotta is for real (27 pts), but MacLean (18 pts 
>mostly in garbage time) isn't.  This team needs more talent.  They're 
>basically where the Clippers are at now, and that's a favorable 
                     ^^^^^^^^
>comparison, considering how many name players are on the Clippers, and 
>how few are on the Bullets.

     ???  Perhaps you meant to say the Kings??  The Clippers are doing
great, they're 12-7!  Hardly comparable to the Bullets at 7-13.  The
Kings are 6-12.  
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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: Warriors down the tubes....
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:53:13 GMT

In article <18060012@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM> oz@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Kent Ostby) writes:
>>/ hpkslx:rec.sport.basketball.pro / cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) /  9:20 am  Dec  9, 1992 /
>>In article <1g48euINN5n9@network.ucsd.edu>,
>>erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin) writes:
>>>In the Warriors' loss to Indiana yesterday, Billy Owens was injured and will
>>>be out 10days-2wks.  This is just getting uglier and uglier....
>>
>>This is getting ridiculous.  They ought to change their name to the
>>Golden State Clippers.  Or maybe the Cavaliers.
>>
>Hey look on the bright side....at this rate we will still have a number pick
>next year and it will be a good one at that.
>

I would have preferred a shot at last year's lottery. This
sort of flameout was exactly what I expected to happen *last*
year.  With the last-minute trade, I figured Nelson was 
essentially looking to the future by dooming them to an
awful start what with a new configuration and Owens' lack
of camp.  That didn't look terrible, though, because going
into the lottery is one way to get over the middle-of-the- 
pack-hump.  Shaq would have been ideal, but shots at Mourning
or even Laettner would have been helpful.  This year's big
men aren't looking nearly as good. 

Ken B. 
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From: tdexte16@ursa.calvin.edu (Terrence Dexter)
Subject: Boxscore: cavs 103 - pistons 107
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:33:43 GMT


		  I saw this one.  It was a pretty close game most of the game
(except the 3rd), but wasn't really exciting to watch.  It seems like the
two media whinners of each team played their roles fairly well ( wilkins
and polynice).  Price sat out much of the game ( 22 minutes ) which seems
to point to an injury of some sort.
		  It also seems like Detroit is finally listening to their coach and
making the extra pass.


cle 103, det 107   11dec92

cle ( 8-11)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
sanders,mike      19   3   4   0  0   0  0   0  0   0  2  0  1  1  0  0  0    6
nance,larry       41   6  12   0  0   6  6   0  6   3  5  0  1  3  0  0  0   18
daugherty,brad    41  10  14   0  0   4  5   0  5   3  3  3  5  0  0  0  0   24
ehlo,craig        35   6  11   0  2   0  0   0  5   8  4  1  1  1  0  0  0   12
price,mark        22   5  11   2  5   0  0   0  3   4  2  2  4  0  0  0  0   12
brandon,terrell   26   4   7   0  0   2  2   0  1   3  5  1  3  1  0  0  0   10
williams,john     30   7  12   0  0   2  4   6 10   1  3  0  2  2  0  0  0   16
ferry,danny       10   1   2   0  0   0  0   0  2   0  2  0  0  0  0  0  0    2
wilkins,gerald    16   0   3   0  0   3  4   0  0   2  4  0  1  0  0  0  0    3
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
cle totals       240  42  76   2  7  17 21   6 32  24 30  7 18  8  0  0  0  103
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .553   .286   .810       team rebs 11

det ( 7- 9)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
woolridge,orlando 27   4  10   0  0   3  4   4  4   5  0  0  2  0  0  0  0   11
rodman,dennis     43   1   4   0  2   1  2   6 21   1  3  3  0  0  0  0  0    3
laimbeer,bill     30   3   7   0  0   0  0   2  4   2  3  0  4  0  0  0  0    6
dumars,joe        42  10  22   2  4   6  6   0  1   4  1  3  1  0  0  0  0   28
thomas,isiah      33   5  15   0  0  11 14   0  3   6  4  3  2  0  0  0  0   21
young,danny       15   1   4   1  3   0  0   0  0   5  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    3
mills,terry       26   8  11   0  0   2  3   1  3   3  4  2  1  0  0  0  0   18
polynice,olden    18   6  10   0  0   2  4   3  5   1  2  0  1  1  0  0  0   14
glass,gerald       6   1   2   0  0   1  2   0  0   1  1  0  1  0  0  0  0    3
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
det totals       240  39  85   3  9  26 35  16 41  28 19 11 12  1  0  0  0  107
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .459   .333   .743       team rebs  9
procedure technicals 1

cle   21  35  23  24  -  103
det   26  28  34  19  -  107

attendance 21454, time 2:23, officials: JODonnell,JClark,WMayfield



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From: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Lakers? AARRGGHH!!
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:32:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.085102.37@pasadena-dc.bofa.com> centeno@pasadena-dc.bofa.com (R. CENTENO) writes:
>
>First of all, you don't seem to understand this team very well now do you??
>Let me illustrate something to you that i'm sure has been said before...
>
>
>		1) No Magic (Played all pre-season with him.)
>		2) New Coach
>		3) New System
>		4) New Players (Peeler, Cooper, Edwards)
>		5) Injuries (Scott, Smith) (Worthy not 100% IMHO)
>
>
>Now...How many teams do you know would have the 4th best record in the NBA
>under the above circumstances???

Suns! (best record in the NBA)

New Coach, New System, New Uniforms, New Arena, New Players (3 starters
of last year are gone and replaced by Barkley, Ainge, Oliver Miller, and
Frank Johnson - all getting quality minutes) and injuries (KJ's only
played 4 games!!).  Shit Scott injured is probably a blessing.
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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Mark Price
Date: 12 Dec 1992 19:34:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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This is why Cleveland will never win a championship, IMHO.  Whenever Price
or Daugherty stub a toe, they go on IR for weeks. ;)

Jordan plays with back problems, tendinitis, etc.  Note the difference...
Good teams need their All-Stars to go to the next level.

Mike
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From: veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jimmy Jackson to Sacto
Keywords: Jimmy Jackson, Sacramento Kings
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:10:36 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)

In article <1992Dec14.012747.28989@leland.Stanford.EDU>, terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
> The latest trade rumor, which seems to have some credence, is
> that the Dallas Mavericks will trade their unsigned No. 1
> draft pick this year (4th overall), Jimmy Jackson,
> to the Sacramento Kings for small forward Lionel Simmons and
> a No. 1 draft pick.  Simmons was the 7th overall pick in
> 1990 and the runnerup to Derrick Coleman in rookie of the year
> balloting.  

This deal is heavily discussed here, indeed.  Jerry Reynolds said
it won't happen, because JJ is not worth it.  He admitted to talk
to Dallas frequently about getting JJ, but not for Lionel + a No.1
draft pick.  Probably for a No.1 draft pick and someone from the
bench, maybe even Randy Brown.  But again, lots of rumors.

> 
> With Mitch Richmond established at shooting guard, I suppose
> Jackson would be expected to play a lot at small forward.
> 
Today, rumors came up that Phoenix would be interested to trade
Mitch for KJ.  Again, lots of rumors these days, and this is
not surprising if you look at the performance of the Kings.  They
are certainly one of the best teams during the first 44 minutes of
a game -- without the last 4 minutes they would have won their last
5 games they lost.  If this would have happened, noone would probably
speculate about trading Mitch or Lionel.

-- Veit


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From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jimmy Jackson to Sacto
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:19:21
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
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In-reply-to: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU's message of Mon, 14 Dec 92 05:30:44 GMT

>>>>> "Terry" == Terry Wong <terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU> writes:
  Terry> In article <1gh4k6INNqho@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
  Terry> |> Glad to hear Dallas is showing some common sense in maybe not totally
  Terry> |> wasting this pick.  If I were Sacramento, I'd make 100% sure JJ is willing
  Terry> |> to play for themnm (Or anyone else Dallas tries to trade him to, for that
  Terry> |> matter)...

  Terry> Good point.  I recall a certain No. 3 overall pick in 1991 that the
  Terry> Kings were unable to sign.

As far as Billy O claims it was never a "I won't play in Sacramento" type
thing, but a disagreement over dollar amount. Maybe if it would have
dragged on it would have turned into that, but the situations are not
identical although analagous.

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: King Rex
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:06:59 GMT

rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis) writes:
>The great thing about Chapman is that he debunks two redneck myths:

>	(1) Blacks can jump higher than whites...
>	(2) but whites play smarter ball.

>Just watch Rex's shot "selection" some time and you'll see what I mean.

	Hey... he is improving.  If there's one thing nobody knows, it's
	what Chapman shot his final year at Kentucky.  With a bad shot
	selection and everything else, he shot over 50% from the field.
	And that's including a low 40% average on 3's.

	Jazzy J

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From: twiggy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Big Brother)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Rockets beat Bulls !!
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:01:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


	Did anyone happen to catch this game on the tube ?  Don't get much
Rocket's news here in Austin.  How was the Vernon Maxwell/Michael Jordan
matchup ?  What about the Horry/Pippen matchup ?

-Allen


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From: stubaker@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Stuart Baker)
Subject: Whats with the Bulls?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:33:08 GMT

I just watched the Rockets demolish the Bulls. As a season ticket holder I am
somewhat dismayed at the teams lack of focus and intensity.  I just was
wondering what all you on the net had to say about the subject.


From: dougs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:54:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Team Standings and Stats
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: BOXSCORE orl13lac14.03dec92
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:19:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.201233.17112@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:

>In article <1992Dec11.183946.18363@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan) writes:
>>o'neal,shaquille  34  10  22   0  0   6  9   4  9   2  5  5  3  4  0  0  0   26
>>roberts,stanley   20   8  15   0  0   0  0   4  6   0  4  0  4  2  0  0  0   16
>
>Well would you look at this?  Somehow Stanley Roberts had a good game and it
>was against his old teammate.  Usually the stat line reads like 15 minutes,
>6 fouls, etc.

     I think one important explanation is that Roberts may be improving:
week by week, his stats get a little better and his minutes played go up.
He's still a pretty poor excuse for a starting center but if he keeps 
improving, by the end of the year the Clips will have a decent center.
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From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: NBA's worst defensive players
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:56:02 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <42468@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
>"The Really Big O" (Oliver Miller, now playing for Phoenix)

Isn't that "The Biggest O"?

--Rob Clough
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From: pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna)
Subject: Re: Dunbar 1983 National Champ team
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:48:43 GMT

In article <Bz3ty8.KMB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
><KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>  The 1983 Dunbar High basketball team was probably the best high school team
>>ever assembled.  The starters were Mugsy, David wingate, Reggie Williams,
>>Herman Haried (Syracuse fame) and Keith "Spoon" James (UNLV fame).  Reggie
>>Lewis was the 6th man, Bob Wade was the coach.  Every member of the team,
>>including the manager, received college scholarships.  Only four members of
>>that team played in the NBA, which is still a record for one high school team.
>
>	Are U sure the James that played on that team was THE "Spoon"
>	James that played at UNLV?  There were 3 James' that played at
>	UNLV.  The original "Spoon" James, who played in the early-mid
>	80's on those UNLV teams w/ Richie Adams, etc -- Karl "Boobie"
>	James (who I believe also went to Dunbar), who played 1-2 years
>	w/ the team, and then finished up w/ South Alabama -- and Keith
>	James (who I think is the one you're talking about) who played
>	parts of a few seasons in Vegas.  
>
>	The original "Spoon" James graduated in something like '84.  In
>	his last home game, Thomas and Mack Arena lit up a big spoon
>	to honor him (I believe he was the same year as Richie Adams).
>
>	Herman Harried -- of Syracuse "fame"?  While Harried developed
>	into a solid defender and rebounder for the Orangemen in his
>	2 years there -- he never was any more than a role player.  His
>	FT% was annually among the nations' worst as well.
>
>	Jazzy J
>

Is this the same Dunbar High School in Chicago that always loses in the 
Public League Playoffs?

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From: lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis)
Subject: Re: Shaq vs. Wilt
Organization: JMB Realty Corporation
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Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:51:31 GMT

Jim Nagle (jwnagle@loglady.ninds.nih.gov) wrote:
: 
: This is before my time as well but I thought I heard it was
: WILT that caused the institution of the 3 sec rule.
: Anybody else?
: -jim

Actually, I do know of one rule change at least which was instituted because of
Wilt.  He used to be able to, on free throws, take a running start, leap from
the foul line, and dunk.  Because of this the NBA quickly instituted the "break
the plane" rule on free throws.  However, I did read this in Wilt's first book,
and we all know how he likes to exaggerate ;-)

Really, though, while Shaquille might be the first center I've seen to compare
with Wilt, I think he has a *long* way to go before it is mere speculation.
I mean, 50.4 ppg for a *whole season*.  I don't care who he was playing against
(although I do believe there was a fellow named Russell in the league at the
time, not to mention Thurmond, Bellamy, Beatty, etc.), that is an incredible
record.  And, if it weren't for a franchise having the greatest run in the
history of professional sports while Wilt was in his prime, I think Wilt's
teams might have won several NBA titles.  His teams lost to Boston in the
playoffs just about every year, except for 1967 (the only year during that
stretch in which Boston *didn't* win, by the way).

Wilt was the greatest basketball player ever.  Period.  He would dominate today
more than Shaquille or Hakeem or David or Patrick or any of these other
pretenders to the throne.  The man was one of the most incredible athletes of
all time.
From: daw@kepler.unh.edu (David A White)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Misc. HighSchool, Names etc
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:35:36 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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Summary: This is a test.

This is a test, only a test......
	  beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep!
From: krust@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Kelly Rust)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Who are Wingate (cha) and Young (det)?
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:30:49 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele) writes:

>"Young" for Detroit is Danny Young, formerly of the Clips, Blazers, and
>Sonics.
>
> ...statistical description deleted...
>
>Solid player who won't win you any games and can't score to bring you 
>back, but also a player who won't make many mistakes with the ball in
>his hands.

I've always kinda liked him too...
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From: newberg68@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: News on MO YASIN
Date: 20 Dec 92 03:33:17 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

All I've heard about this Yasin dude is what I read in the Associated Press
wire section of the Daily Pennsylvanian.
Supposedly he was asked to the Olympic tryouts but declined as he is not a U.S.
citizen.  He comes from the country of Guyana and supposedly Stockton said,
"It's a good thing we don't have to play them.  Since I was schooled by Hurley, 
I would never be able to handle Yasin."  I can't believe an NBA all-star had
such little confidence in his man-to-man playing of the agile Yasin who is no
bigger than 6'3" although a much better ball handler.
Here's the basic scoop as I read it:
Yasin is a Jordan deciple: quick, great drive, good all-around skills, loves to
jack up the shots.  He travelled a bit too much for some pro scouts, but no
more than is acceptable in today's pros.
This guy is the works!!!!!!

Right now, it seems that the Sixers or the Mavericks might be able to grab him
as they are talking to him daily trying to avoid the draft process.  The deal
as it is rumored is that the 76ers offered $19million for 4 years. This of
course, is with all bonuses.
Any news on this guy would be appreciated especially if you've seen him play.
Someone I know said that they had a very short interview of him on ESPN with
some highlights, but I have not been able to get my hands on a tape of this.
Thanks,
Brad
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