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From: elilya@frx784.intel.com ( Edwin Lilya - EPG)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: All-time Jayhawks -- need more votes!
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:01:36 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation

>>       So far, I've gotten but 6 votes for the All-time Kansas team.
>>       I'd like some more to get better results!  If U know anything about
>>       Kansas basketball, send me an all-time team.  Give me a starting
>>       5 (doesn't have to be based on position) and anyone U want to
>>       have on the bench.  Thanx!
>
>I don't remember all the players, but I think the best team we have
>ever had was the 1986 team.... with Calvin Thompson, Ron Kellog, Greg
>Dreiling, Cedrick Hunter... I don't recall if Mark Turgon was on the
>team then, but that team should have won the final four that year, but
>you know who ousted them out.  :)  (In case you don't know... ;)  it
>was Duke)  
>
>I can still recall listening to some of those games for the final four
>during 1986... the sweet sixteen games that the Hawks played in.
>Danny Manning was playing for the Lawrence Lions... along with Chris
>Piper... for the State Championchip game.  Those were the good old
>days.  :)  But if the Hawks keep playing the way the do in the second
>half, we will have some more of those good old days.  (grin)  Later.
>
>John Haverty
>Jayhawk fan for life... born and raised in Lawrence Kansas....
>
I don't mean to be picky (or maybe I do...), but I believe he's looking for the
greatest set of players from any time to play for KU, not the best team that
played together.

Also, Danny Manning and Chris Piper were SOPHOMORES for KU's '86 final 4 team
(which I agree is the best single team at KU), not players at LHS - don't you 
recall that Manning had a pretty good senior year in which he won the 1988 
national championship?  Turgeon was on the team and the other key member was
Archie Marshall, who blew out his knee in the Duke loss.  

Just some facts....

-Ed.
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Destiny Night at FSU
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:17:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: mlb.1993Jan26.171746.11334
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 25440@news.tufts.edu, gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris) writes:
>In article <C1F4y8.Fo3@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>>In article <C1F1y5.JtE@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:
>>>>
>>>I hope FSU won't lose its next three games :-)
>>
>>As a GT alum/fan, I'm glad we finally got out of it.  Pass the curse
>>to someone else.
>>
>>I think the phrase "Duke Curse" has been used enough to become
>>official r.s.bb.c jargon.  Let's see if FSU can provide a 3rd
>>datapoint to this curse ...
>
>	Actually, a good part of this curse could be thanks to the ACC schedule-
>makers.  After playing Duke the first time, Ga.Tech played...UNC.  After playing
>Duke the first time, UVa played...UNC.  After playing Duke the first time, FSU
>plays...UNC.  Similarly, the very next game after these teams play Duke the
>second time, will be against UNC.
>
>	So, Duke wears these teams out with hard-fought, emotional games, and
>UNC gets them on the let-down.  Seems like UNC has something of an advantage 
>in the conference race...

AHH HA!  So that means that someone from UNC made out all of the conference
members' schedules this year!  Very clever.  Instead of employing the _4
corners_, UNC puts all of the other schools into what former Auburn football
coach Pat Dye would refer to as "_amen corner_"!  Doesn't that make all you
Dukies feel used?  Maybe you should try to do something about it on Feb. 3!

D. Head
FSU '91

>
>>  Rob Butera        |
>--
>gharris@jade.tufts.edu          
>George W. Harris              	"He'd kill us if he had the chance."  
>Dept. of Mathematics            
>Tufts University              			The Conversation  
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From: ags@seaman.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Seaman)
Subject: Re: EXECUTE DICK VITALE
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:13:07 GMT

In article <1k8oc9INN5nr@meaddata.meaddata.com> dedek@meaddata.com (Mike  
Dedek) writes:
> That's certainly better than those CBS announcers for the IU-OSU game  
who
> 1) mentioned something about some past IU player's acne problem.
> 2) were mostly silent during all action, meaning we couldn't follow the
> game while painting.
> 3) said IUs next game was _at Michigan_. (it was really at Minnesota).
> 4) referred to IU as OSU more than once (for example, "Ohio State leads  
by 10").

Actually, 3 and 4 go together. They said IU's next game was at Michigan,  
followed by a home game against Illinois. In fact, *Ohio State* had their  
next game at Michigan, followed by a home game against Illinois.

--
Dave Seaman
ags@seaman.cc.purdue.edu
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From: morgan@engr.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
Subject: Re: Arena Size
Organization: University of Kentucky Engineering Computing Center
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:51:39 GMT

jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) wrote:
>
>Tennessee has the largest college made-for-basketball facility in the 
>country, at the moment, at just over 25,000.
>

Of course, this arena (like most SEC arenas) is only close to capacity
for men's basketball when Kentucky comes to town........8)

--Wes

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From: burgin@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Robert Burgin)
Subject: The Duke Factor (Was: The Carolina Factor)
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:18:57 GMT

Some weeks ago, some UNC fan posted his thoughts about the
so-called Carolina factor, the notion that teams in the ACC
always get up for UNC and play better against the Heels than
would be expected.  This was attributed to the greatness of
UNC's program, etc.

It's becoming apparent that the real factor is the Duke
factor.  First, Georgia Tech plays over its head and
wins by a point against Duke - and then loses its next
three (including one to powerhouse College of Charleston).
Then Virginia overachieves and beats Duke at home - and
then loses its next two (including one at home to the
Yellowjackets).  And then Florida State wins by a point
in overtime in what FSU coach Pat Kennedy called the
biggest win in his career at FSU.  (What?  Bigger than last
year's two wins over UNC?)

Carolina Factor?  I think not.

--rb
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From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Re: ATTENTION ALL PENN STATERS-IMPORTANT!!!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:37:25 GMT

exby@spot.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby) writes:

>oh god.
>
>there's nothing more BOOOORING to me than "lady hoops" or the
>business of trying to promote fan interest in it.
>about as fun as shoveling snow....
>
>i'll stop now before someone blows up on this and calls me a
>sexist.
>
>::j


::j should be challenged to enduring a Penn State women's basketball team
practice, especially the part where the Nittany Lionnesses (TM) would
drill 3-on-one fast breaks against ::j and he would be punished each
time he failed to draw a charge.  With an enema.

				-- Marek



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From: swleon01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Stephen W. Leon)
Subject: Re: 3 POINT SHOOTERS? Who are they?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:32:39 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In <9142@news.duke.edu> whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY) writes:

>I know Bill McCaffrey is playing well at Vandy, but how well is he
>shooting the 3?  Does he shoot it alot?

>Donald Williams of UNC and Travis Best of GaTech are two of the
>best 3-point shooter in the ACC.

>-Will

I think McCaffrey shoots a good number of 3's, but I'm think he's shooting
like 53% from the field overall. Travis Ford is 2nd in the SEC in 3pt shooting.
He plays for UK for those who didn't know.

Steve
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Arkansas/Vandy (SEC)
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:05:31 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <C17JEv.JwF@ms.uky.edu> morgan@engr.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) writes:
>
>[ From: Lexington Herald-Leader, 21 Jan 93.  Posted without permission. ]
>VANDY'S ARENA SLAYS ANOTHER COACHING GIANT
>Chuck Culpepper, Herald-Leader sports columnist
>
>NASHVILLE - They brought Nolan Richardson into Memorial Funny 
>Farm last night for his debut appearance and then they threw 
>him out.  That is what is known as dramatic perfection.
>...
>margin.  Richardson sat in the locker room, no television, no
>radio and eventually no victory, his No. 8-ranked team swallowed
>up 102-89 for only its second loss of the season.

No doubt there are net pundits around who are now going to say,
as they did last week, that Vandy is still a weak team and that
Arkansas must therefore also be weak.

>-------------------------------END ARTICLE---------------------------
>
>I only have one personal comment.  Vanderbilt will not impress me until
>they have a successful SEC road trip.  The all-too-friendly confines of
>Memorial may actually be *hurting* this team.  After last night's 45-10
>advantage in free throws,  I have to make my usual comment of "NO team
>plays that cleanly."  After enjoying a *huge* advantage at home, Vandy 
>will find the road an inhospitable place.

Certainly Vandy has been less than impressive on the road, but they 
will still gather a few scalps at Memorial.  And as for finding the 
road inhospitable, the *fans* may be more up for the games, but if 
Vandy begins to get a reputation for never fouling and being fouled
a lot, that trend just might continue during away games.  Ugh...

>...
>umpiring career in major league baseball).  He explained that NFL officials
>are graded on each call.  Every time they throw a flag, the "propriety" of
>the call is rated on a 1-7 scale; points are subtracted from their total
>for "missed" violations.  Officials are selected for postseason play by a 
>numerical rating, which is based on these scores.  Does the NCAA do anything
>like this for basketball officials?  

???  How could they ???   If they did, the NCAA wouldn't have any 
referees left!  They couldn't use the NFL system anyway - it doesn't
appear to include negative numbers.

>How are they evaluated?

Ouija boards?

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From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Can Dookies read?
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:08:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.cs.berkeley.edu

Amazing, my original question was "Why schedule games on back-to-back
days?", and all these Dookies come out with "tough" game this and "early
loss" that. I didn't even question the quality of the opponents.
Preparation for the NCAA's is bogus since you never play on consecutive
days. ACC tourney simulation is much more satisfying answer and one I
hadn't thought of.

Of course I would never impugn that Duke had student serfs to bring in TV
revenues. They only have student athletes.
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From: marty@Shiva.COM (Marty Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: All-time Jayhawks -- need more votes!
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:13:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: Shiva.1993Jan26.161303.20101
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Organization: Shiva Corporation, Cambridge, Ma, USA

In article <1993Jan25.114142.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> haverty@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>> 	So far, I've gotten but 6 votes for the All-time Kansas team.
>> 	I'd like some more to get better results!  If U know anything about
>> 	Kansas basketball, send me an all-time team.  Give me a starting
>> 	5 (doesn't have to be based on position) and anyone U want to
>> 	have on the bench.  Thanx!
>
>I don't remember all the players, but I think the best team we have
>ever had was the 1986 team.... with Calvin Thompson, Ron Kellog, Greg
>Dreiling, Cedrick Hunter... I don't recall if Mark Turgon was on the
>team then, but that team should have won the final four that year, but
>you know who ousted them out.  :)  (In case you don't know... ;)  it
>was Duke)  
>
>I can still recall listening to some of those games for the final four
>during 1986... the sweet sixteen games that the Hawks played in.
>Danny Manning was playing for the Lawrence Lions... along with Chris
>Piper... for the State Championchip game.  Those were the good old
>days.  :)  But if the Hawks keep playing the way the do in the second
>half, we will have some more of those good old days.  (grin)  Later.
>

I'm pretty sure Danny Manning played for Kansas from 1985-1988.  That means he
was on this team that you are talking about.  He was a reluctant star,
however, because of all the talent.


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From: weasel@fenris.claremont.edu (weasel)
Subject: UNLV Home Schedule
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:18:24 GMT

Does anyone have a copy of the UNLV home hoops schedule?
I really need to get my hands on one, so if you do have it,
and its not too much of a hassle, i'd appreciate your mailing 
me a copy...

thanx,

-Kal
weasel@fenris.claremont.edu

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From: alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin)
Subject: Re: Kansas skanks...
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:27:41 GMT

marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:

>Well, I won't woof, because months ago I said IU was a fundamentally better
>team than KU ...

If you think IU is better, then I won't disagree.  I might quibble with your
use of the word "fundamental", however.  Kansas executes a very sound
offensive game plan, plays very tough defense, and blocks out well, which is
how I would define "fundamentally sound."  The past few games, they've had a
tendency to lose focus, which I suppose you could call a "fundamental" problem,
but I wouldn't.  I honestly attribute that to poor coaching and preparation.
Before you think I'm really dumping on Roy Williams, I'd like to
point out that another notable program mentioned in your post has
exhibited that behavior in a few tournaments, and I'm certainly not
calling Knight a poor coach either.  Occasionally, coaches misread
their players and don't get them properly prepared to play.  It happens.
In this case, it happened at a very opportune time for the Jayhawks,
considering that it wasn't in the tournament (for a nice change), and
it wasn't even a conference game.

As for the Jayhawks tournament chances, they are a total enigma.  They've got
a bit yet to prove to me, and to themselves, I imagine.  I'll still pull
for them, but I won't promise to shave my head if they lose.

>P.s.  They still play uninterestingly, from a spectator's viewpoint, no
>matter what they do.  However, they should make thier uninteresting shots
>more often given the talent that they have.

Now this is amusing.  Do you think IU is uninteresting as well?  If so,
then at least you're consistent.  KU and IU play remarkably similar motion
offenses that are predicated on shooting only higher percentage shots.
These offenses start to look stale when they encounter tough defense,
simply because it takes them longer to find a good shot.  I've seen
IU several times this year, and I've always been impressed by the
similarity between these two offenses.  Now you appear to say that *one*
of them is uninteresting.  Curious.


						Al
						alan@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu
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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Kentucky's Aminu Timberlake
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:29:24 GMT

HL Rogers writes:
>
>After he calmed down, he said that Pitino hopes Timberlake will
>get the message and leave - he needs Timberlake's scholarship.
>Anybody know more about this?
>-- 

Only Pitino knows. But early in the season there was an article about
how Pitino tried to motivate Riddick to do better by threatening to
ignore him and banish him to the bench. There was no accompanying
reference to Timberlake, who has been banished to the bench. But, yes,
there has been lots of water cooler chit-chat about Timberlake pulling
up stakes after the season is over.
-- 
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: ATTENTION ALL PENN STATERS-IMPORTANT!!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:33:12 CST

In article <exby.727994283@spot.Colorado.EDU> exby@spot.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby) writes:
>Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>THIS WEDNESDAY - JAN. 27 IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT DAY FOR PENN STATE LADY
>>LIONS BASKETBALL.  Ranked No. 7, they will be taking on the No. 8 Lady
>>Buckeyes of Ohio State.  In the past, large crowds have been able to make
>
>oh god.
>
>there's nothing more BOOOORING to me than "lady hoops" or the
>business of trying to promote fan interest in it.
>about as fun as shoveling snow....
>
>i'll stop now before someone blows up on this and calls me a
>sexist.

Hardly sexist, Doc.  If you don't like the way that the women play the
college game, then that is your preference.  Personally, I don't like it as
much as the men's game because you don't see the amount of athletic,
highlight type of plays.  Also, at times it seems a bit slow to me, and I
find that some teams (in my experience, Purdue) seem to shoot the ball with
a little less discipline than you see men's teams do, though it certainly
depends on the teams you are talking about!

But since it Doc making this post, my guess is that he doesn't like the
game because Illinois always has sucked in women's hoops.  I bet if their
team were decent, we wouldn't see this post.

I'm glad there are sports that Penn State could compete in (almost
dominate, in this case), other than men's football.  It makes them seem
a lot less of an "expansion team".
-- 

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From: egras@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Another rule question
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:18:40 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics



	Can the ref who sits at the scorer's table call fouls?  I'll render a
guess that he probably can but doesn't usually due to his inferior vantage
point.  Can anyone give instances were this ref has been involved in calling
a foul?

BrianE
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Subject: re: UNC (go to hell) 80 UVA 58
From: ghjelmstad@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:08:34 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

HOME COURT ADVANTAGE:

While this no effect on the outcome of the game, I was bothered by the 
professional (?) job from the guy keeping the shot clock!

Somehow the shot clock stops with 41 seconds on it and over a minute in the
game... when the refs finally notice, the stop the game, put 15 sec on the 
clock (although it would have been down to about 5) ... Let MONTROSS into the
game, and UNC takes ball out...   Eric makes his layup, and UVA has their 
basket waived because it was after the buzzer.   Bottom line... if there
hadn't been this little problem, Montross would have ended the half at the
scorers table, UNC would have had to rush (and probably miss) their shot, 
Virginia, having an extra 10 seconds, could have had time to set for their
shot.  End result   down by 3 at half, rather than 7...  Plus psychological
edge to UVa....

Yes, UNC would have won anyway... but I was pissed at the time.


"That pastel shade of Carolina baby blue has been shown to induce intense
 vomiting in laboratory rats"
From: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: UMASS!!! (79) over DePaul (69) !!!
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:16:13 GMT


Well! UMass has done it again! THis game was also a real good one. It started
off with UMass in command.......until Mike Williams had to leave the game with
a sprained ankle when Patten (of DePaul) fouled him on a 3-pointer (was a 
4-point play). UMass led all the way to the half with half-time score being
UMass 38, DePaul 33 (I think). 

The opening few minutes of the second half was alllll Depaul who made a
11-2 run to top UMass with a score of Depaul 48, UMass 45. The NEXT few
minutes however, UMass went on a 11-0 roll and took an 8-point lead before
Depaul again made a 10 or 11 point run to regain the lead (only second time
in the game). Finally, with the help of Harper Williams, but mostly due to
Lou Roe (who scored the next 7 points in the game) UMass prevailed over
DePaul with final score:

	UMass   :   79

	DePaul  :   69

It was a close game for most part except when each team had a run of it's own. 
UMass led by most by 8 points and DePaul led by 3-points. At two minute mark
it was a one-point game before UMass ran away with it.

For UMass, Harper Williams scored 22 points and had 6 rebounds before he fouled
out of the game with a little over 2 minutes left. For DePaul, Bowden fouled 
out (w/ 2 points) and another player also fouled out...

For DePaul, the best contribution came from a player whose name I do not
recall.....it was a complex name (??). But this guy scored 30-points !!!!
DePaul star player Davis, who was averaging 16+ points per game, was not
a big factor today and scored only 2 points (probably because, according to
Vitale, he was coming off a flu).

All in all the game was very good (played in Worcester and was on ABC), and
seemed like UMass dominated for most part. But DePaul was quite tough too
and held on close everytime UMass tried to bag the game with a 6-8 point leads.

With the win UMass goes to 11-4 (according to Vitale......although I believe
it is 12-4 ) and DePaul falls to 9-8. UMass is tied for the first spot in 
A-10 with St. Josephs aith a conf. record of 4-1.

Next UMass plays S.W. Lousiana on Jan. 29 in the "Raging Cage". This is the
last game in Curry Hicks Cage and is scheduled for midnight (will be on ESPN).

Ciao,

rAjAt.
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Subject: Re: Big 8 Ind & team Stats
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:07:18 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


Someone had informed me that the scoring has a mistake in
that the 3pters were only counted as 1pt instead of 3pts.
I'll make the corrections and repost this.
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