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From: yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons)
Subject: Re: * mistake/crick
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:38:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.115158.5982@news2.cis.umn.edu> crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
> Obviously you also need to get out more.
>
>Ed 
>
>

Its interesting to see that the person who is claiming that evryone needs to 
get out more, immediately follows up a post from someone else. Maybe you are 
the one that needs to get out more.


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From: jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman)
Subject: proper form for hanging leg raises
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:10:22 GMT

    As part of my ab routine I do hanging leg raises - legs straight
until failure then I bend at the knees for a few extra. I don't think
I am doing them right - feels like I am working my hips more than my
abs. Any advice??

                                      Jerry Freedman,Jr
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Shoulders
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:06:17 GMT

>From: mukund@jaguar.ece.cmu.edu (Mukund Sivaraman)
>
>|> dumbbell shoulder exercises (in case my first reply didn't make
>|> it to the list) include:
>[stuff deleted]
>|>      dumbbell bentover lateral raises (rear head)
>janice, how do you do these?

i'll attempt to describe, but it would be more easily understood
by checking an issue of Muscle and Fitness or Flex! :-)

bend at the waist so your upper body is parallel to the ground.
bend your knees. start with your arms straight down, wrists/palms
facing each other, dumbbell in each hand. face a mirror and look
straight ahead to watch your form.
slowly raise your hands to each side, straight up, keeping the elbows
slightly bent but stiff, and keeping the wrists facing each other.
raise hands far enuf so that arms are straight out to each side, but
not higher than shoulders. squeeze at the top.
*concentrate* and make the rear head of the shoulders do all the work!
don't swing the weights, and don't let your arms do the work!

like i said, it's probably better understood if you see a picture in
a muscle magazine...
they are similar to dumbbell lateral raises, only bending over to
stress the rear head! it's the only exercise to directly hit the
rear head, which is often *the* lagging delt head! sure, presses
are supposed to work the rear head, but they tend to hit the front
and middle heads more (at least on me), leaving the rear head in
the dust!

oh, one more thing, start with light weights. these are tougher
than standing lateral raises, and MUCH tougher than shoulder presses.
i use LOTS more weight for presses and lateral raises! ;-)

good luck
Janice"tgif and next week's vacation!"G ;-)

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From: peizer@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Adele Peizer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Triceps
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:47:36 GMT
Reply-To: peizer@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Adele Peizer)
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD

In misc.fitness, frank@owlnet.rice.edu (Franklin Tae-Sung Kang) writes:
>In article <14653@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul24.171105.1030@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com
> (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>>>In article <1992Jul24.145031.21742@nrao.edu>, lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (
>Luther Miller) writes:
>>>>     nosebreakers -- (anyone know the official name?)
>>>>             using a curling bar, hands in the inner position
>>>>             70 - 10  Its important to keep you elbows in as much as
>>>Now, I've always done an exercise that was referred to in the books
>>>I read as "French Presses" or "Lying French Triceps Presses" or some
>>
>>I've also heard them called SKULL CRUSHERS.
>
   I think another name for it is "Lying Tricep Extension".

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From: bcarh407.bnr.ca!bleitch@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Sunscreens
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:13:00 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

In article <1992Jul21.001602.10848@sei.cmu.edu>, bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara 
Zayas) writes:
|> Are there
|> 
|>  o recommendations for effective, non-greasy sunblocks?
|>  
|> Barbara

I use Ombrelle 15.  It is one of the two sunscreens reccommended by your
FDA in the states.  It blocks UVA and UVB.  It's rating is SPF 15.  Better
than all that, is that treats your skin well(keeps it moist but is not
greasy.)  I used it during a marathon in the summer without reapplying
during the race and it worked very well


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From: hutch@hutch (Stephen Hutchison)
Subject: Re: Kirelin and HGH
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 21:21:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.195625.24466@utkux1.utk.edu> mukul@laser1.engr.utk.edu (Mukul Shirvaikar) writes:
>In article <Jul.30.00.00.04.1992.17899@remus.rutgers.edu>, clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>|> 
>|> Has anyone else watched the Unified Team's super-heavyweight
>|> wrestler?  He's 6'3", 287, with almost *no* bodyfat!  The guy
>|> is a monster.  He claims to be natural, but one look at his
>|> face and it seems obvious that he's used human growth hormone
>|> (and probably every other steroid under the sun).

>He has passed all the drug tests to date. 
>
>I wonder how you can "take one look at his face" and claim that  
>he's used human growth hormone. 

Simple.  He shows the classical signs of acromegaly: the thickened bone
around the brow ridge and jaw, the enlarged cartilage in the nose and
ears, the enlarged finger joints, etc.  This can be caused by taking
human growth hormone.

However, acromegaly occurs naturally as a disease caused by a pituitary
gland imbalance.  If you look at the professional "wrestler"  Andre the
Giant, you will see a prime example of this disease.

If "The Experiment" is indeed acromegalic, or has a mild version of that
trait, it gives him a natural edge for building muscle size.

Hutch
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Subject: Amateurs in S.C.  Any info?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Jul 1992 14:39 EDT  

Wasn't there an amateur bodybuilding contest in 
South Carolina recently.  Does anyone have any
information concerning this.

Thanks


Eric Overton

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller)
Subject: Re: Arms not same size....etc.
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Tucson Az.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:18:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.175259.14359@iat.holonet.net> mlabow@iat.holonet.net (Marshall Labow) writes:
>...
>Third, try to do more single arm exercises (dumbbell curls, single arm
>triceps cable pushdowns, etc.) as these will tend to equalize the size of
>your arms over time. When you do exercises that involve both arms at once
>(such as most, if not all, barbell exercises) the stronger arm tends to do
>more of the work.

Are you sure? I thought that doing more barbell exercises would necessitate
balance, and thus equality. If I lift more with one arm, that side of the bar
goes up-- so I try to keep the bar even, forcing each arm to lift equally.
However, with dumbells, you are giving each arm the freedom to work as hard
as it can, and use good or bad form. I think that if he uses dumbells (of
the same weight) more often than before, the weaker arm will continue to
do fewer reps and with worse form than the stronger arm.

I could see a dumbell plan working if the strength of each arm was assessed,
and then he concentrated only on building one arm up, while trying only
to keep the stronger arm in good shape. Is this what you meant?

I'd like to hear more opinions on this-- it is an interesting subject.

Luther
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: face exercises
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 14:09:04 GMT


In a previous article, tubis@cs.purdue.EDU (Charlotte I. Tubis) says:

>I am interested in a reference for face exercises to tighten muscles in the face.
>Preferably with "how to" pictures.
>Charlotte
>

Try push-ups with your lips.
:-)

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: franblan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Francois Marcel Blanc)
Subject: Re: Kirelin and HGH
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 21:32:32 GMT

In article <Jul.30.00.00.04.1992.17899@remus.rutgers.edu> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>
>Has anyone else watched the Unified Team's super-heavyweight
>wrestler?  He's 6'3", 287, with almost *no* bodyfat!  The guy
>is a monster.  He claims to be natural, but one look at his
>face and it seems obvious that he's used human growth hormone
>(and probably every other steroid under the sun).

Gigantism is a natural thing. Why think that a guy who is obviously gigantic
would have done so artificially? Did the soviets planned him to be a
World Wrestling champion when he was ten, or did they rather choose the guy 
that had the capacities to become one? The second option sounds more plausible
to me.

	Francois.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: arw4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Aaron R Wininger)
Subject: squats
Reply-To: arw4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Aaron R Wininger)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:20:33 GMT

I dont have to much time to work my legs so I just want to do the most basic 
quick effective excercises, mainly full squats.
Is there anything else I should do,or is squats enough?

Also, I've been wondering what the 2 sets of numbers on the Nautilus machines 
means? I assume the lower numbers are the true weight, but what are the higher 
set of numbers for?

Aaron
From: tubis@cs.purdue.EDU (Charlotte I. Tubis)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: face exercises
Keywords: face
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:07:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

I am interested in a reference for face exercises to tighten muscles in the face.
Preferably with "how to" pictures.
Charlotte
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: laurie@tcom.stc.co.uk (Laurie Constantin)
Subject: Re: MUSCLE MEMORY!!!!!
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 07:11:31 GMT

In article <14586@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>
>Very funny, Brat, but you're right.  I have weak legs because I don't work
>them very much.  I'm starting to do that.  It's easy for me to gain mass and
>strength on my legs if I work at it.

	Sorry - I couldn't resist a stab at the famous - it's just jelousy.
>
>What's your total?
>

	[details posted to Adam personally as they are SO impressive!!]

	Laurie.
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: ah532@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Gleba)
Subject: MCT oil for sale
Reply-To: ah532@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Gleba)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 02:46:40 GMT

I havea bottle (16 oz) unopened PURE Mct oil for sale. Its rather new,
but I don't want it, since I have a few extra bottles. It costs $20, if
you want it send me some mail.

-Mike

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Ugh... pendulum effect.
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:17:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul21.161752.19805
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <Brpy5w.Avo@cs.dal.ca> gauthier@ug.cs.dal.ca (Paul Gauthier) writes:
>Well, I dropped to 170 pounds, definately the lowest I've ever been. Now,
>_only_ 4 days later I'm experiencing the pendulum effect. I have actually
>put a bunch of my spare tire back on and am up to 172 or so.

This is NOT the "pendulum effect".  Individuals' weights can vary by
several pounds over the span of days, without any reason to think
they've gained or lost body mass.  It depends on your state of dehydration,
whether you've been to the can lately, etc.  You can't expect to
put on a "spare tire" after 4 days.

It's better to look at your weight over the period of a week to two weeks.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Xref: sparky misc.fitness:5896 rec.running:1919 misc.consumers:14359
From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.running,misc.consumers
Subject: Anyone Use a Treadmill?
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:07:43 GMT
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Could anyone recommend a good treadmill, preferably with incline/
decline, heart rate monitor, and also nicely programmable?
I'm a 240+ lb bodybuilder, so it should be somewhat rugged.
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

"In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
 of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
 on the average, older."        Wallis & Roberts, _The Nature of Statistics_
From: teresas@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Teresa Simske)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:55:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Sweating !!!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: misc.fitness




I would agree with Doc O'Leary that profuse sweating may be a sign of a
well-tuned body ... that has been my experience, as I've become fitter
it takes less and less for me to break a sweat and I sweat all over.
I've got a related question: Why does the sweating continue sometimes
even after I've finished my workout and showered? (this happens to some
of my friends at times too). Is is a sign that I'm not cooling down
properly? How do I know how much to cool down?
From: westendorf@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Exercise Bike Question
Date: 27 Jul 92 07:18:03 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I'm in the process of buying an exercise bike.  Is there any difference
in the bikes using an air tension compared to the other kind?  Any bikes
to stay away from?  Any recommended.  Thanks
-Mary
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Weird
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:32:58 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Jul24.220545.27065@nrao.edu>, lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller) writes:
> 
> Is it just me, or were 24 "old" messages somehow reposted to the net??
> If this is an isolated incident, I apoligize for using the bandwidth..
> 
> Luther


Luther, your right.  Some of these "reposts" were email that I sent to 
individual people, I don't understand how they got on the net.

Rob
From: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: wrestling/Adam Silver
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:29:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul21.202918.89391
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: kji@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU

I read all the arm wrestling info, and was wondering if the following
exercise would be beneficial:

Let's say you hook some weight on the top of a cable machine, then
with a bench in front of you, sit with your shoulder to the cable,
pull the weight down until you're in a seated or kneeling position
on the floow, and your elbow is on the bench, then pull down the weight.
(simulating the arm wrestling position)

What do you think?
From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Stiff-armed Pullovers
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:39:34 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I've recently added these back to my program, and I wonder
if I'm doing them correctly.  After I finish, I crunch my
pecs and feel a soreness in the lower middle pec area; is this
as it should be?  Also, should I try to build up the weight for
this exercise?  Currently I'm using a 15 Kg plate.  Any
comments on sets/reps, how often, correct breathing, or comments
on results from doing these?
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

"In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
 of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
 on the average, older."        Wallis & Roberts, _The Nature of Statistics_
From: laurie@tcom.stc.co.uk (Laurie Constantin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: The misc.fitness TOP TEN list
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:52:34 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <1992Jul28.214951.28742@inter-tel.com> wohlenbe@inter-tel.com writes:
>
>     To introduce a lighter  note  to this newsgroup, I have created the "Top
>Ten Best Topics and Phrases in Misc.Fitness" list.  



	How about :

	"Hi, I'm 6'7" and weigh 120lbs. I think I'm slightly underweight and
	would like some advice about weights as I heard they can help. I don't
	want to do too much because I don't want to look like a 250lbs
	bodybuilder so I presume I have to be careful not to use any weights
	over 10lbs. I currently eat a cheese sandwich and one biscuit per day.
	Do you think I should eat more to gain weight?

	"Any help will be appreciated - email and I'll summerise".



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From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Who is this Crick person anyways ?
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:57:17 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Jul28.220211.28169@emr1.emr.ca>, gairns@ccrs.emr.ca (Jamie Gairns) writes:
> In article <1992Jul28.161343.8655@news2.cis.umn.edu> crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
>>
>> What an original comeback, with such wit and wisdom available on my
>>computer screen I see no reason to ever venture outside.  What happened,
>>did your Thighmaster slip causing you some inconvenience?
> 
> 
>    Uh, I may be wrong, but *WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK, CRICK!!*
>                             **********************************************
> 
> A concerned customer of Cafe Earth

Why don't you guys get a life and stop wasting bandwidth!
From: kj12+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kimberlie Ann Johnson)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: RECOMMEND BOOK--LIFTING?
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:02:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8eRfAV200WBL02AbYz
Organization: Doctoral student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

There are hundreds of books out there! Arnold's, Rachael's, Gold's, etc.

Could any one recommend a good lifting book for the INTERMEDIATE, woman
(mostly freeweights, 8 months) who wants push herself, maybe compete as
an amature?

The training staff at my club are pretty useless, so I want to add some
exercises to my routine on my own.
From: lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Nausea during/after lifting
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:53:41 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Tucson Az.

In article <1992Jul27.130246.614@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes:
>
>sar@philabs.philips.com (Sidney A. Rosenzweig) writes:
>
>>My problem is that somewhere between the second and third sets, I become
>>very nauseous....
>>Has anyone else had this problem? Sometimes I can't finish my third set
>>because I feel like puking so badly.
>
>When I first started lifting, I'd get very naseous. My weight trainer
>at the time told me I'd get over it as my endurance increased, and he
>was right: I now do much more intense sets than I did when I began, and
>I never feel sick.
>
>Back when I started, I found it helped to slow down my pace a bit:
>wait a bit longer between sets and exercises (but not so long that
>your muscles cool down) if you have the time to spare.
>
>-- 
>          aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu (Dan Doooooooovall)

When I stopped lifting for a long period of time and then got back into it,
I had the same experience. After about two weeks it went away, and my workouts
got more intense.

Luther
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Knees and Legs
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:57:14 GMT

>From: charring@warwick.crd.ge.com (Sam Charrington)
>I'm just starting to lift with free weights and I'm not sure what exercises to
>for my legs.  The main problem is that my knees aren't strong. I was told by a
>doctor to work on the tear-drop muscle above the knee to so that my patella wi
>move more straight.
>
>In particular, are dead-lifts stressful on the knees (or back for that matter?
>Is there any particular technique to doing them that puts less stress on the
>knees?  What about leg extensions, curls?

your knees won't feel as week if you build the muscles around them!

leg extensions will build the quads (front of the legs), particularly just
above the knees. one thing to be careful of is not to let them go back too
far at the bottom of the movement, since it places extra stress on the knees.
a good rule of thumb would be to allow your lower legs to form a 90 degree
angle to your upper legs, no less. if the machine you use goes too far back
at the bottom of the movement, you can lift the cable slightly, and insert
the pin so that the machine doesn't allow your feet to go back as far.
start with light weights! (you can always add weight for the next set if it
feels too light!)

also, my partner (who had knee surgery) was told by the doctor to do leg
curls. they seem very effective in strengthening the muscles around the
knees, particularly the ones that tie in with the hamstrings!

stiff-legged deadlifts work the hamstrings, but more upper rear legs than the
part near the knees (your mileage may vary!)  they don't feel stressful on
the knees, but i don't think they'll help strengthen the knees as well as leg
extensions and leg curls!

(yes, deadlifts can be stressful on your lower back, especially if you don't
use proper form. i like to use my belt, and concentrate on lifting the weight
with my hamstrings!)

good luck, hope this helps...
Janice

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