HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM: box office news
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug30.221102.11199@morrow.stanford.edu>, steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) writes...
>From one of the clari newsgroups:
> 
>>	The weekend's other major opening, New Lines' ``Twin Peaks: Fire Walk
>>with Me'' failed to generate much heat in eighth place with an estimated
>>$1.9 million at 691 screens. The movie brings to the big screen the
>>continuing saga of TV's offbeat ``Twin Peaks'' series set in a mythical
>>Northwest town.

     Break that down to a per-screen average, please.  Despite what
     that .clari newsgroup said, this isn't bad for 700 screens.  
     Read VARIETY instead.

>Considering that Pet Sematary II opened in 3rd place with around
>$5-6 million, this isn't very good news.

     No, it is decent news: PET SEMATARY 2 opened at 2000 screens and only
     did a little more than double the business of TWIN PEAKS... on more
     than half the screens, with legions of maniacal zit-faced 16 year
     olds in need of a gore-fix...
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM - minor quibbles
Date: 1 Sep 1992 00:19:41 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com's message of 31 Aug 92 23:38:17 GMT

In article <p9efkuk@fido.asd.sgi.com> sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
    In <Btv7JC.9Dz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:

   >   It seemed as if Cooper kept going back and forth between the area
   >the camera was surveying and the TV monitor for no good reason right
   >before Bowie showed up.  Did I miss something?

   i think he sensed time slowing down, as someone else mentioned.  so much
   that he went to the display room first, saw nothing.  went to the
   display room a second time, saw his arm in the door.  and then went
   to the display room a third time, and saw himself stuck there in
   time as jeffries walked by, unhindered by time.  just a guess?

Remember that Cooper had been expecting something to happen on that
day, at that time, because of one of his dreams.

-30-
Bob
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:18:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks

In alt.tv.twin-peaks, schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz) writes:

> My impression of the movie: not of much interest to anyone but TP (or
> Sheryl Lee) fans, pretty predictable overall, but with some very good
> acting by Lee and Wise.  Lotsa typical Lynch humor, loaded with TP

Yeah, if you mean, by good acting, the regular descent into tear
filled histrionics that are barely justified and not especially
convincing.  About half way through the movie I was hoping Leland
would hurry up and kill her so she would stop crying all the time.

On the whole, I thought her acting job was pretty wretched, and
the only real reccommendation I could give is, 'go see the movie
if you want to see Sheryl Lee's breasts'.  Other than that, filming
this movie was a pretty big mistake as it tries to embody the
mystery of Larua P, and merely reduces her to a whiny and less
than sympathetic little twit.   It really may not be something
Lynch could have changed.  This series was driven and empowered
by the very mysterious nature of Laura.  They removed that.

And the teaser scenes in the series about the murder in the train
car are FAR more effective dramatically than what they actually
filmed for the movie.

I was disappointed.

doug
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann)
Subject: Re: more on Gormonbozia (spoilers)
Originator: kwh@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:15:15 GMT


James J. Campanella writes:

>   Along the same lines. . . is the dwarf Bob's partner? Boss?
>
>   Has anyone ever gotten the impression that the dwarf might be satan?
>
>   The dwarf has certainly never done anything to help Cooper out--
>
>   like the giant did. Also, the dwarf wears a red suit-- am I reaching,
>
>   or what?

I choose 'what'.   I believe the "Waiting Room" is purgatory.  In purgatory
God is absent but angels need not be.  We of course see at least one angel 
(Laura's guardian angel) there.  Lucifer (the fallen angel) would be another.  
One more would be Cooper's guardian angel (the giant).  

Laura's guardian angel is a quite classical one.  She puts up with quite 
a lot before she gives up trying to help Laura.  Yet when Laura has gone 
through enough pain and suffering in purgatory, she returns.

The abandonment of Laura's angel is symbolized when the angel fades in the 
picture.  This happens due to Laura's choosing.  It's when she decide's to
let Bob enter her.

I remember an angel helping someone in FWWM also.  But I can't remember the
situation.  Does anyone else?

Kevin

Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: ST201643@brownvm.brown.edu ()
Subject: FWWM (SPOILERS), Laura's life, Leland
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 22:31:55 GMT

SPOILERS AHEAD.....
]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]



My significant other disliked the movie because she had an image in her
mind of what Laura's life was like, and the Laura portrayed in the movie
didn't match.  I didn't feel this way, but I was wondering if anyone else
did. ?

As to the issue of Leland's awareness of what Bob was making him do, I
think he knew... when he was doing it. At other times Bob didn't let him
remember.  Or perhaps his own mind blocked it out, like many abuse victims.
My evidence for saying this is Leland screaming (before killing Laura),
"DON'T MAKE ME DO THIS]"  That for me was very very sad.  When Leland died,
Bob said that he was going to let Leland realize/remember what he had done.
The memories then came flooding back.

Just my $0.02... and BTW, I reallllly liked the movie. I need to see it
again before I make any more comments.

-MDJ aka jack

=========================================================================
   MODULAR               OOOOO*******************************************
    DUPLEX             OOOOOOO*******************************************
***********************OOOOOOO
***********************OOOOOOO
      JACK             OOOOOOO*******************************************
 ST201643@BROWNVM        OOOOO*******************************************
=========================================================================
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Our Visit
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:44:28 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon

In article <3299@carroll1.cc.edu>, lzett@carroll1.cc.edu (Leslie D
Zettergren) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> A note on our August adventure:
> 
> 
> We overnited at the North Bend Motel on Main Street --
> just next to Mt. Si (TP).  Their rates are considerably
> less than the published rates at the Lodge near the falls.

I should hope so. The cheapest rooms at the lodge are something like $125.

-Rich Haller
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Black Lodge
Date: 2 Sep 1992 18:45:36 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: Kirk Biglione's message of 01 Sep 92 15:45 PDT

In article <1316900007@igc.apc.org> Kirk Biglione <kbiglione@igc.apc.org> writes:

   Interesting you should mention this.  I've long thought that Crowley
   has been a major influence on Lynch.

Could you give examples that support this?

   In fact the similarities between Windham Earle and Crowley are rather 
   striking.

You mean Windham Earle is also the son of a Scottish brewer who joined
the Golden Dawn, revealed its secrets, formed his own occult groups,
published many tongue-in-cheek books revealing his secrets in a
code-ridden symbolic way, and still had time to be a mountain climber
and a heroin addict?

But, seriously, again, what are the similarities?

-30-
Bob

``And I rave and I rage and I rape and I rend...''
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Fire Walk With me is great... no question
Date: 1 Sep 1992 00:18:01 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU's message of 31 Aug 92 22:59:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.225915.16410@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Curt Tsui) writes:

   Anyways, as a friend of mine says, "a film critic is nothing
   more than a glorified movie-goer."  Their opinions should be
   respected as their own, but they have no more credentials than
   you or me.

Actually, it's surprising how sloppy many movie reviewers are.  I go
to see movies for enjoyment, but I often find that I watch movies much
more carefully than the reviewers.  It's hard to respect someone who
is paid to write about films when they don't pick up on things that I,
a mere layman, can figure out on a single viewing.  Most critics don't
come anywhere near the level of care and insight one finds in the
better discussions in a group like this.

-30-
Bob
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Re: FWWM - first impressions/audience reaction
Summary: Sycamore Trees
Keywords: Where?
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:59:51 GMT

In article <3110@tardis.Tymnet.COM> jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) writes:
>In article <17ot54INNkro@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
>>And I'll see you//And you'll see me          ||    Sally  A.  Wilson
>>And I'll see you in the branches that blow   ||    Spud   Peel
>>In the breeze,//I'll see you in the trees    ||    sally@mica.berkeley.edu
>>Under the sycamore trees       (_Sycamore_Trees_  Lynch/Badalamenti)
>
>I saw the movie twice, and tried to locate all the music from the soundtrack,
>but I can't remember hearing Sycamore Trees in the movie.  Where was it?
>
>--

 It was played right at the very end when Leland enters The Lodge to meet
 the OAM, LMFAP and Bob.. some of the music (instrumental) is playing but no
 words.

 -=*George*=-
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP:FWWM script anyone?
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:46:31 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <KWH.92Sep3093705@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU> kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
>I have a hard copy of that posting sitting here on my desk.  
>I'm not sure if I still have it on disk somewhere.  I'll look.

Even if no one wants to post all 200-odd pages of the script, could at the
very least some kind soul type in:

* the complete Phillip Jefferies scene

* the OAM's speech to Leland

* any references to The Ring

* whatever clues could shed light on the good/evil nature of the One-Armed
Man

... or things like that?  There are some questions that really need
answering, if only to get the newsgroup volume down.  :-)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
Subject: Re: FWWM: box office news
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:59:10 GMT

In <1992Aug30.221102.11199@morrow.stanford.edu> steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) writes:

|From one of the clari newsgroups:
|
||	The weekend's other major opening, New Lines' ``Twin Peaks: Fire Walk
||with Me'' failed to generate much heat in eighth place with an estimated
||$1.9 million at 691 screens. The movie brings to the big screen the
||continuing saga of TV's offbeat ``Twin Peaks'' series set in a mythical
||Northwest town.

|Considering that Pet Sematary II opened in 3rd place with around
|$5-6 million, this isn't very good news.
|-----------------------------------------------------------------
|Steve Cole  (steve@sep.stanford.edu, apple!sep!steve)
|Department of Geophysics, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305

not too surprising.  TPFWWM is for TP fans only, as we have all
figured out, despite what NewLine has told Lynch to say.  Pet
Sematary II is for anyone who wants to see a mindless movie just
for the gore and thrill, without having to think, and without
having to bring any of it home with them.  Kind of like comparing
TP the series with Northern Exposure, except for NE has some
redeeming qualities to it, and i doubt PS2 does.
 
lets just hope those europeans and japanese brought in enough money
to make it profitable for another movie.

sj		"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m
From: eric@npri6.npri.com (Eric Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM reviews
Summary: LM's name?
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:57:55 GMT
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

In article <15222@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
> At worst, it's been roundly panned for the wrong reasons.  The review in
> the Washington Post was hilariously inaccurate.
> 
> They misspelled "Garmonbozia", called Michael Anderson's character the
> "Man From Another Planet" (maybe they were thinking of "Eraserhead"?),
[remainder deleted]

Actually, I read the review before going and checked the end credits...
I could swear that in the film LMFAP is indeed from a Planet, not a Place...
Could have been a typo by the titlers...  Anyone wanna double check?

-------- eric@npri.com ---------- or ---------- ...uunet!uupsi!npri6!eric -----
                "Rats: Once they knew glory: they ate a bishop."                
Eric C. Williams/ NPRI/ Alexandria, VA/ USA/ (703) 683-9090/ Usual disclaimers.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: TP and TV (was Re: first FWWM chills)
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:04:08 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug31.053112.22474@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby) writes:

>No spoilers here....

Well, now there's a trivial one.

>I don't know about everyone else - but the first REAL physical
>chills (goosebumps and shivers) for me came in FWWM when they showed
>the "television" opening scene, Welcome to Twin Peaks  roadsign
>and the music.....oohhhh boy.  talk about feeling like an
>old friend returned....wow.

Well, maybe it was just me, but I got the impression that the scene with
the TP sign was just SO television-ish, that the movie was almost mocking
the conventions of the series.  After all, the movie doesn't exactly take
a pro-TV tone -- look at the real title sequence (and the opening image),
after all...

Hmm, a thought.  How exactly does a TV work?  ELECTRICITY.  Hmm?...  :-)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: elee9xl@jane.uh.edu (92H01722)
Subject: Re: Series videos and Twin Peaks fan clubs...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.172509.21769@engage.pko.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (Two days and a wake-up...) writes...
>In article <1992Aug21.123841.24857@cs.hw.ac.uk>, neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes...
> 
>} Or if you don't get ad's
> 
>} Series 1: 1 90 minute pilot and 7 45 minute episodes
>} Series 2: 1 90 minute opener and 21 45 minute episodes
> 
>} All in all 24 Hr's of Peaks (including the pilot) which fits comfortably
>} on 4 long play E-240 cassettes.

 ^^ Where on earth can you find these? (I dont get the ad's either)  

I NEED them!
 James
elee9xl@jetson.uh.edu
From: berthiau@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Andre Berthiaume)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Major Mistakes in "Teen Movie Critic" review in Montreal's Gazette
Summary: blasphemous!
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:02:37 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

I just could NOT believe my eyes when I read this so-called review for
the Twin Peaks movie in today's paper.  Apparently it's part of a
"Teen Movie Critic" review column they have every week.

Basically let me point out some of the things this "kid" wrote!

1)  He referred to BOB as "Rob".

2)  He was reassured by the paper's "senior" critic  Bill Brownstein that
the movie was bad to begin with.  Already this kid's opinion of the movie
has been biased!

The movie up here is rated at 16+ and the theatre we went to required 
proof of age.  So I'm wondering just how old this "Teen Movie Critic"
was when he went to see this movie!  And frankly I find it inappropriate 
for the movie to have been reviewed by a teen!  Because this means that
this movie can be seen by teens under 16, which it isnt.

ALSO, there was a picture accompanying the article.  It was a photo of
James on his bike with Laura standing by him.  The caption?  (get this)

"Biker Bobby (Dana Ashbrook) talks with Laura (Sheryl Lee) in the movie."

ARGH!!! I just can't believe this article was even published!

If anyone reading this post in the Montreal area knows who is to be 
contacted about such mistakes, PLEASE let me know!


Thanks!


Eva


(ignore the following .sig)





--
	Andre Berthiaume 	 |  "Sometimes you're the windshield,
				 |   Sometimes you're the bug"
    berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca    |			
				 |	       Dire Straits, The Bug
From: tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM Continuity Quibble *SPOILERS*
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:55:27 GMT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

> Just a screw-up between TP: FWWM and episode #2009 of the regular series.
> 
> As you of course all recall, in #2009 Donna and Cooper go to the late
> Harold Smith's place (and the "Tremonds"' place too) and get the last
> page of Laura's diary.  "Thursday, February 22nd.  Tonight is the night
> that I die..." et cetera.
> 
> Now, these pages were never referred to in the movie.  Nor was the dream
> that Laura said she had in them the night before her murder: the dream
> where she told Cooper who BOB was.
> 
> Now, I can understand the omissions, after all the movie was hugely long
> anyways.  But...
> 
> Laura gives her diary to Harold at the BEGINNING of the movie.  If she
> didn't have the book, how did those pages get into it?
> 
> Now, bearing in mind that Episode #2009 was one big kludge anyway, I'm
> looking for some way of explaining this that actually makes it all make
> SENSE.

It is possible that she went over to Harold's and wrote the entry. In 
reality it is probably just continuity error.
From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: I saw FWWM **SPOILERS !!** 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 10:22:26 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

-> f "The Man Behind the Mask" is Bob behind the mask of the
-> posess), What exactly is the meaning of the paper mache mask?
Well the shape of the mans and the way Mrs. Treemont's Grandson was acting 
when he wore it makes him look like an owl. Am I the only one who though of 
that? Did any one else thibk the sound the LMFAP made after saying "I am the 
arm and this is how I sound." was an owl reference?
-> Did Laura Palmer get to the White Lodge at the end? (I think
-> so, the angel may have been from more of the traditional
-> heaven, but I think that the White Lodge is what you make
-> it.  Anyhow, I was glad it all seemed to work out for her,
-> well, except for being dead and all.)
Hawk said (in the TV show) that You go into the black lodge first and face 
your shadow self. If you survive that then you go into the white lodge. 
Humm. I think that Laura's facing of her shadow self was more mediforical 
then physical. Insted of meeting with a doupleganger she desended deeper and 
deeper into the darker sides of her personality (thus confrunting hes shadow 
self), but she did not get taken over by Bob and thus went into the white 
lodge.

 /-------------------------------------------------------------------------\
| It's all a game...                                                        |
|                        Gregory C. Salmieri                                |
|                                                       ...It's all the same|
 \-------------------------------------------------------------------------/
From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Teresa's arm *SPOILERS*
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 09:39:25 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

-> I didn't think about the shaking hand connection.  Does anyone
-> remember which hand shook?  Seems like a plausible connection.
I thought that the shaking of Bob's hand when he let goe of the blood was 
related to this.

 /-------------------------------------------------------------------------\
| It's all a game...                                                        |
|                        Gregory C. Salmieri                                |
|                                                       ...It's all the same|
 \-------------------------------------------------------------------------/
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Actions and Interactions (SPOILERS FROM HELL!)
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:08:27 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I wonder if we aren't going about this "Coop in the Lodge" thing all wrong.
Think about it... When Laura enters the Lodge after her death, there's Coop,
with a reassuring hand on her shoulder, almost steadying or guiding her as she
makes the transition. It's almost as if his whole reason for beong in the lodge
is to guide her in there. 

	This would, I think, make the whole TP timeline circular, begining
with LP's death and ending in Coop's entrapment. Larus Palmer dies, Coop
investivates, and is brought to the lodge to help out when... Laura Palmer
dies.

	Another possibility is that Coop wasn't so much trapped by BOB so that 
he (BoB) could do evil, but that the Giant/LMFAP conscirpted him for "damage
control" of BoB's latest caper. Perhaps Coop is in the Lodge not so much 
because his courage is imperfect, but because his courage is *so* perfect he
is needed as a "good guy in the Lodge". Maybe Annie was mistaken when she said
"the good Dale is trapped in the Lodge".

	One other thing. Did anyone else notice the different ways the members
of the room above the Convienence Store interacted with people in the real
world:

The Tremonds/Chalfonts interacted with people in their own plane (What we 
call the "real world")

Assuming the Woodsman is the Log Lady's husband, he interacts through the Log
and his wife.

Bob interacts through bodily possesion

The LMFAP interacts in the opposite manner from the Tremonds: Instead of 
going to people in the real world, he brings them to his plane of being.

The Giant interacts with people of this plane through visions.


Maybe BoB is then angry because his mode of interaction requires the permission
of a real world person, and this anger has turned him viscious. ALso, this 
might make him the least powerful of all of them.

The LMFAP, on the other hand, can (maybe)whish people to an from the lodge at 
will, either physically or in dreams. He is therefore the *most* powerful of
the bunch. Another possibility is that he physically controlls the "dominant"
arm of a person, and can therefore force them to do his bidding.

ANyone have any thoughts on this? (and do you notice how many people have 
been saying this of late ;-) 

Mike 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
I have a fondness for big hair, and the industrial strength heavy-duty 
environment-mangling aerosol hair spray that creates it. 

								Laura LeMay
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=