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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Indiana Jones --Last Crusade
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:27:08 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1993Jan5.173223.26143@colorado.edu> baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin) writes:
<	The fact that some people have discs with excellent audio and some
<people have discs with poor audio leads me to assume that your statement
<"All discs are the same" can not be true. It may be in theory--but it
<isn't in the real world.

No, all discs of the same title are the same, not ALL laserdiscs.  I'm saying
that it is impossible for one copy of a title to have poor center audio and
to have another copy of the same title have great center audio.  This also
assumes that the source has not been remastered and the disc re-pressed.  I'm
talking about the same press run.  Changing your copy for another one isn't
going to make a difference.

After what you have said, I don't know why you are having trouble with this
particluar Indy disc.
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From: klr@umbc3.umbc.edu (Kurt Reisler)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Holy Grail: Price?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 13:01:07 -0500
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In article <1993Jan7.165314.28583@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> kettyle@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (john.jr.kettyle) writes:
>From article <1igca9INNkh5@umbc4.umbc.edu>, by klr@umbc3.umbc.edu (Kurt Reisler):
>> In article <1993Jan6.200057.9940@ac.dal.ca> tominatr@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>>
>>>What's the price of the Holy Grail LD?
>> 
>> This may sound flip, but I never even noticed.  I just saw the one copy,
>> grabbed it along with the copy of Baron Munchaussen and ran for the
>> check out register.  Let me go find the receipt....$US 45.99 at The
>> Video Station in Alexandria Virginia.
>> 
>You mentioned Baron Munchaussen...
>Is this the older (RCA ?) version or the new LBX Criterion version that
>they were supposedly working on?
>

Definately the LBX CAV Criterion version.  It is a transfer at a 1.75:1
aspect ration.  Audio track 2 has Terry Gilliam discussion various
acpects of the movie (did you know that Shaun Connery was originally
cast as the King of the Moon?).  Audio track 1 is NOT in Japanese :-)

This is a 3 disk set (tri-fold packaging), with the end of the movie AND
the beginning of the suplimental section starting on side 5.  The
suplimental section runs from chapter stops 41 through 68, and includes
storyboards of umfilmed sequences, several deleted but filmed sequences,
historical notes on the "real" Baron Munchausen, excerpts and still from
other versions of Baron Munchausen, production history, etc.

If the movie had been made as originally planned, the moon sequence
alone would have run almost an hour!

And, Uma Thurman is about 20 now :-)

Let me guess, was this one also on the shelves ahead of the "official"
release date?
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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: A few LD questions....
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:05:28 GMT

In article <C0Du60.23x@monitor.com> howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner) writes:
>2) Are Die Hards 1 and 2 worth the $50 price tag?  I was a little suprised
>to see them at such a high price.

Define "worth" it.  CBS Fox routinely charges exorbitant rates for its
letterboxed movies, particularly the popular ones - $50 for the Predator
and Die Hard movies, $70 for the Star Wars movies, $100 for the Alien and
Aliens boxed sets.  Rather paradoxically, it seems that the more popular
a film is, the more CBS Fox charges (as opposed to other companies, who
charge less for popular movies because they expect a lot of people to
buy them, e.g. $25 for Raiders of the Lost Ark).

The video transfer for Die Hard is nothing special; adequate, but not
equal to, say, Terminator 2, IMHO.  There are no special extras included
with the disc, like the Alien/s movies or Henry V, it's not in CAV - there's
really nothing exceptional about it except the price.

>3) Is there only one version of Die hard 2 (the version with n minutes of
>cut scenes put back in) or is there a regular and Criterion version?

There is no "Criterion" version of Die Hard 2 and I don't recall
seeing any other version of DH2 besides the letterboxed one.  What's
this about cut scenes?  I hadn't heard anything about them before.
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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: Japanese pressing of Cinderella (PILA-1124 vs PIMA-1124)
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:20:38 GMT

In article <17905@umd5.umd.edu> ostrove@goofy.umd.edu (Steven M. Ostrove) writes:
>In article <1993Jan07.065630.7285@uhura.neoucom.edu> wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu  
>(William R. Cruce) writes:
>> I have the Japanese CLV version (#PILA-1124).  I have been unable to
>> ascertain what the "LD+G" means.  It doesn't display anything on any
>> U.S. LD player that I have seen.  I am guessing that perhaps it is
>> something like Closed Caption encoding that allows display of Japanese
>> language characters -and maybe only Japanese players are equipped to
>> display it.  The pressing is quite fine.  English on the digital
>> tracks, Japanese on the analog.  Some songs on the Japanese track are
>> sung in English (by singers with slight Japanese accents) but most
>> songs on that track, as well as the dialog, are in Japanese.  No subtitles.
>
>My local Tower video has this LD (PILA-1124) for $49.95, but I have been
>hesitent to get it because of a large sticker that says "Not In ENGLISH"
>on the front, even though there are the words Multi-Audio on the wrapper.
>What confuses me more, is that when I called up my normal source of LDs
>(Ken Cranes in Ca.) they gave the # as PIMA-1124, with a price of $54.95.
>
>So my question is...
>What is the difference between the PILA-1124 and the PIMA-1124 versions?

I assure you #PILA-1124 is the number on mine and it is most definitely
English on the digital tracks.  The boxed CAV set is #PILA-1125.  The
number from Ken Crane's sounds like a mistake.  The price on this varies
widely - someone else on the net has purchased the disc from Tower and
it sounded like the same one I got.  The Japanese price is Y5974, which
at the Jan.8 exchange rate of 125.4 Y/$ would be $47.64.   Presumably
Tower is able to get the discs at a wholesale price in Japan and is
selling them  at about list here.  Most small dealers routinely
charge more than list for Japanese discs here.



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From: baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Indiana Jones --Last Crusade
Organization: Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:32:23 GMT

In article <4692@vidiot.UUCP>, brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan4.165556.19770@colorado.edu> baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin) writes:
|> <
|> <I am the original poster and 
|> <	
|> <	1) My reciever has a test button and the left,right,center and
|> <		surround channels are are adjusted equally.
|> 
|> OK.
|> 
|> <	2) I have a true center channel speaker and this channel is
|> <		amplified with identical power as the left and right.
|> 
|> But you still didn't say if the speaker is equal in quality and how it sounds
|> when using phantom mode.
|> 
|> <Thanks for your replies--I actually may have a poor copy - I think that I'll
|> <try another one and see if that makes a difference.
|> 
|> All copies are the same.  They are digital audio and pressed from the same
|> master.  The audio CAN'T be different.  If the pressing was bad, the audio
|> would fail, it wouldn't lose center channel volume.
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Its like this---
	I have about 80 disks; most of these are surround sound audio--a
few are not. Of the ones that are, 95% of them sound great,CENTER CHANNEL
AND ALL. There are a couple on which the audio sucks--these have been identified
by others as having poor audio. Several people have responded to the Last
Crusade post and said that their discs have superb audio--a few have responded
to me and said that they notice the same weakness that I did. One respondent
said that his low center channel volume went away when he listened to the analog instead of the digital track.
	Now, due to the excellent sound of most of my discs, I can safely
assume that my hardware is fine. My center channel is in fact matched well
with my main speakers.
	The fact that some people have discs with excellent audio and some
people have discs with poor audio leads me to assume that your statement
"All discs are the same" can not be true. It may be in theory--but it
isn't in the real world.


Dan
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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: * Lawrence of Arabia *  Criterion vs. RCA version??
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 06:39:09 GMT

In article <C0G1KJ.K66@fc.hp.com> rjn@FC.HP.COM writes:
>Lauren C. Howard (lch3e@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
>
>> Anyone know how they compare?  I've seen the Cri version, but not
>> the RCA/Columbia.  My other RCA/Columbia ld's are poorly mastered, even
>> recent ones like Glory.
>
>Criterion Collection CC1185L,  $125.00
>Restored edition, CAV, 8 sides, 3M pressing, 2.0:1 letterbox, digital
>surround sound, still-frame supplements, chapter marks. 
>Motion supplements available as a separate CLV disc for $20.
>
>Criterion Collection CC1197L,   $69.96
>Restored edition, CLV, 4 sides, 3M pressing, 2.0:1 letterbox, digital
>surround sound, motion supplements, chapter marks.
>
>RCA/Columbia 50136,             $49.95
>Restored edition, CLV, 4 sides, Pioneer (PVI) pressing, digital surround
>sound, 2.0:1 letterbox, no supplements, chapter marks unknown.  Has closed
>captioning, which may or may not have caused an extra generation of video
>duplication.
>
>RCA/Columbia VLD-3250           $44.95
>Old TV edition, CLV, 4 sides, Pioneer (PVI) pressing, cropped, CX/stereo,
>no supplements, no chapter marks.
>
>All of the home video editions are from 35mm anamorphic source material,
>which does not represent the full photographed height of the 65mm Super
>Panavision 70 negative.  Now that Rank has a 70mm cinetel machine, I suppose
>we can expect to see a new transfer someday (probably for HDTV).
>
>Avoid the old cropped RCA/Columbia edition altogether.  The new widescreen
>RCA/Col, and Criterions are all from the same video transfers.  The CC CLV
>has only motion sups, and the CAV only still sups (although if you have the
>CAV edition, Voyager will sell you side 4 of the CLV edition so that you
>have complete sups).
>
>I have the CC CLV, as the number (7) of side changes (even on a 2-sided
>player), put me off the CAV, not to mention the price.  The sound and
>picture (2.05:1) are excellent.  Surround is not an "addition".  The film
>was shot on 65mm film with the intention of 70mm road-show prints with
>6-channel mag tracks.  The Dolby Surround of the LD is a matrix 4-channel
>mix-down of the 6, and not any kind of stereo- or mono-to-surround
>synthesis.

I have the CC CAV and the CLV supplement.  I once had the RCA LBX.  The
image from all three is virtually identical. While the CAV may have 
slightly lower noise it is a very subjective call.  The major difference
(aside from supplements) is that the Criterions (CLV and CAV) have
chapter markings while the RCA does not.


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From: andre@cix.compulink.co.uk (Cygnus Software Ltd)
Subject: Columbia House LD Club questions
Reply-To: andre@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:20:00 +0000

I'm thinking of joining the Columbia House LD Club (by proxy from the UK -
sshhhh!) but I wonder if any existing members would care to comment on their
service/prices/etc.

I'd really be doing it mainly for the three discs for $7.50 offer, then just
buy the two extra discs as required by their small-print, and resign. Is this
feasible, or do they continue to semi-insist on further purchases, even after
you've tried to get out? (e.g. by sending you discs you can return if you
don't want them, etc.)

What are their 'normal' list prices like, and what about their stock range?
For example, I'm interested in some Disney CAV's, like Bambi and Peter Pan,
before they go out of stock everywhere. Ideally I'd like a CAV of Little
Mermaid too, but I guess there's not much chance they've got one of those! :-(

Finally, what's their packaging quality, and speed of delivery like?

Thanks in advance for anyone's help (especially to the person who volunteered
to do the ordering in the US for me; you know who you are, and it's much
appreciated).

Andre

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From: Dave.Jenkins@cm.cf.ac.uk (Dave Jenkins)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: pink panther movies
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:05:53 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.

In article <1993Jan6.2021.1970@channel1>, eric.walker@channel1.com (eric walker) writes:

|> 
|> The Pink Panther - 1963, starring Larry Niven and Peter Sellers.  The
				     ?????

Isn't that DAVID Niven?
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From: fineberg@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Samuel A. Fineberg)
Subject: Re: Holy Grail: Price?
Organization: CSC, NASA Ames Research Center, NAS Division
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 21:17:53 GMT
Reply-To: fineberg@nas.nasa.gov

List price is $50 (maybe $49.95).

Sam
From: tew2@ra.msstate.edu (Tom White)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: LBX Cabaret was Re: LBX Musicals
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:22:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mississippi State University

In <lkm0tsINNgq1@abyssinian.cs.utexas.edu> dhs@cs.utexas.edu (Douglas H. Steves) writes:

>In article <C0Epwp.MFL@fc.hp.com> jayj@fc.hp.com (Jay Johannes (Lvld)) writes:
>>Michael S Ritchie (mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>>: Does anyone know, for a fact, if any of these musicals are
>>: available on LD, and letterboxed?
>>:   Cabaret
>>

>Are you sure that Cabaret is letterboxed? The original video release 
>was not, and in addition was cut to fit onto one disk. The second
>release also was not letterboxed, but included digital sound and
>the whole movie on two disks. Has there been as subsequent release
>with letterboxing? ...

Laser Craze is accepting pre-orders for LBX Cabaret - lists for $39.95.
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From: Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley)
Subject: Re: Opinions on best surround discs
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:53:28 GMT

> Dennis Jennings writes:
>
> I would like to get people's opinions on what they consider to be the best
> discs for showing off their surround systems.


I would highly recommend "Wolfen" (Warner Brothers). No one with surround
(especially Pro Logic) should be without this disk! One particularly
effective sequence is near the beginning. Albert Finney is talking to his
boss, the police of chief, on the phone, then there's a cut to a helicopter
flying over water. The sound mix in this film is particularly good, no
surprise since the director is Michael Wadleigh, who also did "Woodstock".

Also recommended: Apocalypse Now, The Right Stuff and Top Gun (the latter is
sheer wall-to-wall noise for most of the film).

> I'm not looking for discs that are necessarily  the best sounding, but
> discs that have the best discrete surround.


I don't think the word "discrete" is appropriate here. This suggests a
channel which is completely independent of any other.


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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: Japanese pressing of Cinderella
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 06:56:30 GMT

In article <lkm232INNgsl@abyssinian.cs.utexas.edu> dhs@cs.utexas.edu (Douglas H. Steves) writes:
>Anybody know anything about the Japanese versions of Cinderella?
>The CAV version comes in a deluxe box, but doesn't say what
>it includes (at least non in English), while the CLV version
>is marked "LD+G". 

I have the Japanese CLV version (#PILA-1124).  I have been unable to
ascertain what the "LD+G" means.  It doesn't display anything on any
U.S. LD player that I have seen.  I am guessing that perhaps it is
something like Closed Caption encoding that allows display of Japanese
language characters -and maybe only Japanese players are equipped to
display it.  The pressing is quite fine.  English on the digital
tracks, Japanese on the analog.  Some songs on the Japanese track are
sung in English (by singers with slight Japanese accents) but most
songs on that track, as well as the dialog, are in Japanese.  No subtitles.

I have seen the fat CAV box, but I don't know what is in it.  The
cost is rather high: about $170 vs.  $70 for the CLV version.  Both
Sight and Sound and Laser Perceptions have or can get both versions.


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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Holy Grail - Any new news?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:26:33 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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So any new info on a release date? 


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From: brendan@microunity.com (Brendan Eich)
Subject: Re: Tex Avery/Warner Toons and Faulty Towers
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:10:34 GMT

jimr@mothra.rose.hp.com (Jim Ranlett) writes:

>And, for the Faulty/Fawlty Towers fans...

>The new Boxed Set, which is supposed to contain all 8 (yes, eight)
>episodes produced, street dates April 28, 1993 at a price of 89.98.
>I'm told that currently there are maybe six episodes out on video
>tape right now, but this boxed set is to contain all eight episodes.

There were twelve "Fawlty Towers" episodes, six done in '75 and six
more in '79, as I recall.  Can anyone else say which (if not all 12)
are in this LD release.

/be
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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: Apocalypse Now LD side 4
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:32:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.081158.3836@uhura.neoucom.edu> wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce) writes:
>In article <h=-3wsr@rpi.edu> kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim) writes:
>>I finally watched side 4 of LBX Apolcaypse Now yesterday.  To my 
>>surprise, the credit section on side 4 was not letterboxed.  Instead, 
>>they were "squeezed."   Even worse, some of the names were chopped 
>>off.  What gives?  Is my copy defective (side 4 from pan & scan 
>>version)?
>
>Nothing wrong with your copy, but if the sides are getting chopped
>off your TV probably has 10-15% overscan and you should try to get it 
>adjusted.  I only noticed the credits falling into the TOP edge in
>a few places on my TV.
>
>The reason for the placement of the credits on side 4, when there is
>plenty of room on side 3 (13 mins), is that the film originally ended
>without credits, in the theater (I'm not sure if that was just at
>coastal openings or when it played in the interior as well).  You
>will note that some of the credits are incredibly small and hard to
>read and that the disc producers had the good sense to press side 4
>in CAV so you can stop the frames to help read the credits.  Since
>they went to all this trouble for the credits, I suspect they transfered
>them full screen, squeezed, so that they would be a little larger
>to aide in reading them.  Quite unique, when you think about it:
>a whole disc side especially designed for the credits.  And an ironic
>twist on the usual situation where the credits are letterboxed and
>the film is not.

I forgot to mention that side 4 has the most incredible collection
of audio and video tests I've seen on any disc other than A VIDEO
STANDARD (LD-101 from Reference Recordings).  I guess they HAD to
do something with all that extra CAV space :-).  Though some supplements
would have been nice, I'm glad the price was kept to $45; it has
been claimed that the cinematographer (Storaro) and sound designer
(Murch) spared no expense in obtaining the best transfer possible.
Other laserdisc companies than Paramount would likely have charged
more for the same disc sans supplements with this kind of transfer
effort.
 

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Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 4 Jan 1993 17:06:45 PST
From: <WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Holy Grail - Any new news?

In article <1i9s09INNoin@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
says:
>
>So any new info on a release date?
>
I spoke with Mike at Mr. Dickens video in Sacramento Saturday (A real cool
place for mail order stuff.  Mike has it ALL.).  He said Summer of '93.  Ouch!
Anybody else heard anything?

Brian
From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Holy Grail - Any new news?
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:18:35 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <93004.170645WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
<In article <1i9s09INNoin@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
<says:
<>
<>So any new info on a release date?
<>
<I spoke with Mike at Mr. Dickens video in Sacramento Saturday (A real cool
<place for mail order stuff.  Mike has it ALL.).  He said Summer of '93.  Ouch!
<Anybody else heard anything?

	The street date is January 7th.  Nobody around here has heard anything
different, I suppose some stores already have the LD under the counter.

	Jan Bielawski
	Computervision, San Diego
	jpb@calmasd.prime.com
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