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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:25:28 EST
From:         "Gerald W. Schlabach" <GSCHLABA@IRISHVMA>
Subject:      Re: Kermit capabilities
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              25 Aug 92 19:45:02 IST from <ANDERSOS@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU>

On Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:45:02 IST <ANDERSOS@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU> said:
>I am not sure what you are accomplishing with your ProComm script that
>cannot be done as easily by using Kermit's session logging capabilities.
>With Kermit you could start logging just before the search results were
>displayed on screen and stop logging just after the results were
>completely displayed.  If you did not want to have to specify a filename
>for the log, you can set a default filename in the Kermit initialization
>file.  Does your script automatically capture only the output you want,
>saving the three keystrokes needed to start and stop logging, or does
>it accomplish something else that I have missed?
>

The problem with logging, on both ProComm and Kermit, is that if one uses
VT100 emulation, the logs are almost useless.  There are no carriage
returns, and one's computer is only receiving those characters that are
different from the previous screen.  One can switch to straight ASCII/BBS
interface, but not mid-session, and the interface is cumbersome and well,
not a pretty picture.

I wrote the script for times when I do a general search and come up with more
than one (up to 200) sources.  I can let ProComm churn away and prune later,
off-line.  Actually, I sometimes run the script now for a single entry if it
is longer than a couple of screens.

A couple of people have written and asked for the script.  My hesitation is
that I have had to re-write it somewhat every time the library upgrades
its NOTIS program.  Also, it will probably only work on a NOTIS system.
I occasionally telnet to other libraries and even systems quite close to
Notre Dame's (e.g. Yale's Orbis) have little differences.

I also have a pair of XPL programs to convert the results of all this once
back in NotaBene.  But these are even more idiosyncratic, since they depend
on searches for consistently-occurring strings.

I'll send the set in a couple days to whoever writes to me personally,
with the understanding that the buyer must beware.  I also don't have time
to document the XPL programs, and help people customize for their systems.

Gerald W. Schlabach
University of Notre Dame
Schlabach.1@nd.edu
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 92 08:35:00 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: Creating an NB FAQ file
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              25 Aug 92 11:10:07 EDT from <dreimer4@MACH1.WLU.CA>

David,

If you like MASTERPM.RN, try RECORDER.RN, a modified version
of Tyson's recorder. It may have some advantages over MASTERPM.
PGM.RN, on the other hand, is a more dedicated XPL recorder,
and KEYBREC.RN (based on Tyson's) is an excellent keyboard
customizer. And there are more of the kind.

Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 92 19:47:53 -0600
From:         Ross B Emmett <emmett@AUGUSTANA.AB.CA>
Subject:      to wait or to eat it raw
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I thought this item, off the rec.humor.funny discussion group in Usenet,
expressed well the predicament of those of us waiting for NB4.

"Observe that for the programmer, as for the chef, the urgency of the patron
 may govern the scheduled completion of the task, but it cannot govern the
 actual completion.  An omelette, promised in two minutes, may appear to be
 progressing nicely.  But when it has not set in two minutes, the customer
 has two choices -- wait or eat it raw.  Software customers have had the
 same choices."

              -- Frederick P. Brooks, Jr, _The Mythical Man-Month_
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From: binkley@epas.utoronto.ca (P. Binkley)
Subject: Re: NB Shipping now!
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:18:51 GMT

Luuk
Are you sure that your friend received the actual release of NB4, and
not a copy of the beta test version?  I heard a similar report from a
friend returning from Dublin a couple of months ago, and it turned out
to be the beta.

I would love to believe it's the real thing.  I am moving to Groningen
next month; it would be wonderful if some quirk of the international
mail system caused NB updates to materialise there first!

Peter Binkley
binkley@epas.utoronto.ca

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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 08:51:00 EDT
From:         ITF@PSUVM
Subject:      Re: Jasper's list of bugs and general whining
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Just in case this is of use to you or anyone else out there, I have done all my
 proposals to NIH using Nota Bene and have a page set up using Times Roman that
 fits nicely in the page size for the major text of the proposal, as well as se
t ups for some (not all) of the additional pages (if you are using the standard
 NIH form.  If anybody wants the set ups, let me know.

Allen (itf@psuvm.psu.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:22:55 EDT
From:         Joel Lidov <JBLQC@CUNYVM>
Subject:      Re: LOMO
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              2 Sep 92 09:32:19 MDT from <arippin@ACS.UCALGARY.CA>

I've had no trouble using the ALT-SHIFT-V menu line for changing LOMO in
midstream, with no need to set defaults or use the d(efault) command on the
command line.

   Joel Lidov
   Classical & Oriental Languages
   Queens College CUNY
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 92 11:22:01 -0400
From:         Tirzah Meacham <meacham@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Default Settings in NB4
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              Aug 28, 92 7:49 am

using startup.int on the beta versions, I simply put in the driver i
wanted and have no problem loading the toshiba driver. incidentally,
manual selections of that driver gave me path error messages which
startup.int does not.

Herb Basser
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 92 10:57:33 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Wrong indication of free space
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Johan Thom writes:

> I recently installed a 213 MB hard disk which I divided into 3 more
> or less equal partitions, i.e., 70 MB each. Apparently NB is unable
> to report correctly the amount of free space on a partition of this
> size. Although there still is ca. 30 MB free on my C drive, the dir
> command in NB 3.1 only reports 747520 (chars.) free. Both DOS 5.00
> and Windows 3.1 report the correct amount of free space. Has anybody
> else encountered this problem?

Yes, this is a known bug in the NB editor through 3.1.  Remember the
editor for NB was written by XyQuest before hard drives with
partitions larger than 32 megs were possible under DOS.  Partitions
larger than 32 megs confuse this function of NB.  The bug is fixed in
NB4 (at least it works properly by reporting 49 megs free on my 230
meg HPFS partition--which is above and beyond the call of duty in some
respects because it isn't even formatted FAT).

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 92 17:16:00 EDT
From:         "Ada_W.Finifter" <FINIFTER@MSU>
Subject:      NB4/Orbis Shipping
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

I just returned from 2 1/2 weeks of vacation and am mystified by the comments
on this bulletin board about NB4 and Orbis actually "shipping."  Since I had
nothing waiting for me, I called NBI today and was told that shipping will
start "next week."  Can someone clarify for me whether anything has actually
been received by anybody?
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 92 20:16:39 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      NB's Editor Development
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Rob Rittenhouse writes:

> Do they also have a code license for Signature (Xywrite IV)? If NB
> is to have a future I do believe NBI is going to need a Windows/Os/2
> version and I don't see them writing the whole thing themselves.

I really don't know, although it seems unlikely at the moment.  As you
may remember, Signature was developed by XyQuest under contract to
IBM, who later dumped it when they decided to go out of the end-user
applications business to concentrate on systems and hardware.  The
specs that IBM required for Signature diverged significantly from the
needs of Notabene development, and that was part of the motivation for
DF acquiring the code rights to the current editor.

I'd be willing to bet that WYSIWYG display, graphics and improved font
usage are in the future development plans for NB, but I have no idea
of the timetable and I doubt Signature is basic to those plans.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 92 23:53:57 EDT
From:         david j reimer f <dreimer4@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: quotation marks
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              25,92 8:49 pm

Michael Ossar writes:
>
> I have two problems: 1) I must deliver a manuscript in camera-ready copy in
> Times Roman or Palatino, which I plan to print on a friend's HPIIIP. Are these
> fonts resident in the printer in pt-10,12 and 18, and if not, what is the best
> way to get them.  Also, is there a way to print real opening and closing
> quotation marks rather than "typewriter" quotation marks?

I printed a large manuscript from SLS on an HPiii with Times-Roman. There
was no trouble at all getting the proper point sizes without a
cartridge of any kind. To get the real quotes, use the proper singles
side-by-side (`` text ''). I like Palatino, but their quotes can be
tiresome.

>                      2) Is there a way to prevent NB from moving the cursor
> left one character when one saves?  This is particularly annoying when the
> cursor comes after a period.  Or has this nuisance been eliminated in NB 4.0?

If you can search the logs at TAUNIVM, this topic was kicked around
_ad nauseam_ at some point. Some kind soul will remember what was
said....  :-)

David.
--
David J. Reimer, Religion & Culture          Phone: (519) 884-1970 x2680
Wilfrid Laurier University                           Fax: (519) 886-9351
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3C5        Internet: dreimer4@mach1.wlu.ca
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 92 18:28:40 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Arrival
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Louis H. Silverstein writes:

> ...  Obviously NBI is not distributing in order of
> subscription!
> Good luck to the rest of you.

I don't know whether it will be of any comfort to others who are
waiting for NB4/Lingua to arrive, but NBI is not shipping according
the the order of subscription.  To facilitate logistics, they are
shipping in an order determined by the specific configuration to which
one subscribed.  As the simplest subscriptions are shipped, NBI
gradually adds features to the mix for the next batch.  This is to
help prevent garbled orders and incorrect shipments.

Since I ordered everything, I fully expect to be among the last to
receive a package.  :-(

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 92 15:04:47 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      NB-PRN01.ZIP
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Harry Falk's ITALICS.ZIP (a printer table for printing italics
with SLS, and more) has been added to NB-PRN01.ZIP.

The names on taunivm listserver have not yet been changed. I
am sorry for this, but our mailer seems to be overloaded with
work. I hope he will soon do the renaming. At any rate, I
have loaded the updated Printers archive under the new name.

Itamar Even-Zohar
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 92 14:00:00 SAST
From:         JCT@SUNVAX.SUN.AC.ZA
Subject:      Wrong indication of free space
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I recently installed a 213 MB hard disk which I divided into 3 more
or less equal partitions, i.e., 70 MB each. Apparently NB is unable
to report correctly the amount of free space on a partition of this
size. Although there still is ca. 30 MB free on my C drive, the dir
command in NB 3.1 only reports 747520 (chars.) free. Both DOS 5.00
and Windows 3.1 report the correct amount of free space. Has anybody
else encountered this problem?

Johan Thom
University of Stellenbosch
Internet: jct@maties.sun.ac.za
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:27:13 -0400
From:         Robert Sinkewicz <roberts@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Life after NotaBene
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

On Monday afternoon I called NBI and cancelled my upgrade. They, very politely,
agreed to have my VISA account credited in the appropriate amount. I was
a faithful user of NB/SLS almost since the earliest versions.

My purpose is not to blame NBI, but merely to indicate to other users that
there are excellent alternatives to the NBI/Lingua software.

I was starting a new research project last spring and had to commit my work
to software that was not vaporware. I decided on the following:

MS Windows 3.1
MS Word for Windows 2.0a
PostScript/True Type fonts from Linguist's Software Inc.
   "Graeca" normal and italics fonts for Greek
   "TransRoman" normal, bold and italics fonts for all Latin character languages
Text database software from Silver Mountain Software
  TLG Workplace
  PHI Workplace
  Bible Windows
    These allow for text searching and display for the TLG and PHI CD-ROM
texts. Greek and Hebrew fonts are included (Adobe and TT). I use TACT for
more complex text analysis operations.

The functionality of the above software is (for my work, at least) far
superior to anything that NB/SLS ever offered or is likely to offer
in the future.

If anyone would like further information on the above options, feel free
to send me a note.

Bob Sinkewicz
Centre for Medieval Studies
University of Toronto
roberts@epas.utoronto.ca
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 20:33:06 IST
From:         "Michael J." <JASPER@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject:      Papyrus
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Paul-
Thanks for the info on OS/2.

Re: Papyrus v.7 -- I've just spoken to the folks at RSD, and it turns out
version 7 has been shipping for the last month. Beta testers are
always the last to know, as Voltaire used to say.

Michael Jasper
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 15:50:00 EST
From:         DICK@SIENA
Subject:      Re: snafu apercu
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Snafu update. I thought I could outsmart the Big Blue Os/2 by calling up the
autoexec.bat file and config.sys in NB (the original non-OS/2 versions) from a
diskette and them saving them on c:\ thereby obliterating all calls and
pathways to that #$$#@ os/2. Well I just did it and rebooted. Now I'm really up
a creek. The computer won't boot to anything. I get an OS/2 error saying can't
find correct config.sys files and has stopped the program. It won't respond to
cnt alt insert to force a reboot. I needed this to redirect my anger from NBI
towards IBM. They should have a simple deinstall technique!
        Michael Dick
        DICK@SIENA
The Department is not happy, for this they invented tenure.
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 92 11:12:00 PDT
From:         "William Bodiford 310/825-6971" <IBENAYM@UCLAMVS>
Subject:      Re: OS/2
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Please post responses concerning NB on OS/2 on the list.
   --William Bodiford ibenaym@uclamvs


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> From:         CAMPBELL@ACUSD.BITNET
> Subject:      OS/2
> To:           "Mark J. Pisaro" <IABOSPI@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>,
>               william bodiford <IBENAYM@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>,
>               Mark Infusino <IJA4MHI@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
>
>
> Hello everyone.  I've got the new machine, a 486/33 with 8MB RAM and
> a 200MB hard drive, all primed and ready for OS/2, which according
> to what I've read in the popular press (and around town on several
> BBS's) is just what I need for DOS multitasking and a ticket to the
> Brave New World of 32-bit processing (when I need and can get 32-bit
> applications).  Yet I read on and on and discover many complaints
> about OS/2:  bugs, clumsy and frustrating installation process, and
> (worst of all) the occasional trashing of the hard disk's FAT, etc.
>
> My question:  anyone here using OS/2 with NB?  What wisdom can you offer?
> Should I be a pioneer (albeit one of the one million, if IBM's figures
> are correct), or should I play it safe and stick with MS-DOS 5.0?
>
> I'd ask more specific questions, but I'm not there yet....
>
> E-mail me personally or post to the net if you think it's worthwhile.
>
> Gardner Campbell
> Campbell@acusd.bitnet
> Campbell@usdcsv.acusd.edu (Internet)
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 07:28:37 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: UUE vs. XXE
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>
> J. P. EARLS writes:
>
> > UUE usually works well with my system (VAX).  I have tried XXE decoding a
> > number of times, and gave it a further try after the hearty recommendation
 it
> > received on the list lately.  Always the same result: Nothing to Decode and
> > the number of the last line.  Any suggestions about what I could be (not)
>  doing?
>
> Paul Bodin replies:
>
> You can only XX-decode what has already been XX-encoded.
> Complementary protocols most be used at either end.
>
> And I add:
>
> These files were ordered F=XXE from TAUNIVM.  Anything equally as simple
> that I could be missing?
> J. P. EARLS / ST.JOHN'S UNIV. / COLLEGEVILLE, MN

Your decoding program may not be up to it.  I use UUdecode, by Richard
Marks, which handles either UUE or XXE files with equal aplomb.  It is
available at various archive sites as UUEXE502.ZIP (or perhaps a still
more recent version by now).

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Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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From:         Robert D Hoberman <RHOBERMAN@CCMAIL.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Mavericks
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               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-3355

                                            Robert Hoberman
                                            Comparative Studies Dept.
                                            516-632-7462, -7460
                                            04-Sep-1992 10:52am EDT
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TO:    Tirzah Meacham                       ( _NOTABENE@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL )

SUBJECT: RE: Mavericks

NB4 arrived today, here, 40 miles from New York City.  Eight 5 1/4 inch
diskettes, including Lingua and Orbis.  I added Ibid to my order at a later
date, so I suppose I'll get it separately.  I haven't looked at the files
yet--could it be that Ibid is included?  The pro-tem documentation enclosed is
far more cheaply printed and bound than the NB3 documentation and doesn't
include a full reference manual, but at a glance it looks adequate for a good
start at serious work.

As for the future, it seems to me that what we all should hope for is that NBI
would be taken over by some better-capitalized company that would keep NB going
as a specialty item, alongside its other products, and would advertise and
promote it more vigorously.  The present owners of NBI would probably get more
in the sell-out than they're taking home now, presumably the programmers would
be kept on, we'd get updates, and no one loses.  The company that bought NBI
out would get a superb product, a loyale clientele, and, I think, a large
potential academic market.

Bob
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 92 12:22:00 EST
From:         DICK@SIENA
Subject:      RE: alleged arrivals
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I second Dorothy Day's comments on running update on NB3 documents. It is
simple and is stated in the literature. I mistakenly thought I could merely
delete style notes and replace them--it's necessary to go through a simple
menu. No big deal, unless you ignore this step and then... I'm sure we'll all
find our favorite bug, and I am very frustrated in not being able to finish my
project this summer because of the delay, but NB4 with Lingua is marvelous and
(almost) worth the wait. Now some questions, I just got a HP III printer. I
noticed in their documentation that HP sells a dot matrix emulation cartridge
that will allow you to run IBM proprinter and Epson FX as a Laser font. Could
this solve my need for a Lingua non-proportional font? I really need a good
Laser font non-proportional for doing a synoptic arrangement of texts. Now NBI
promises such a font, but.... I believe there are non-proportional Lingua fonts
for these dot-matrix printers. If I can print these on the HP, I'm home. Any
ideas?
        Michael Dick
        DICK@SIENA
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