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From: discar@nosc.mil (Joe Discar)
Subject: Re: Transporting thru shields?
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:47:48 GMT

In article <2121.2b461aad@mbcl.rutgers.edu> wilson@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
>
>	It has been my impression that transporters cannor be
>utilized thru shieds.  
>	The repoeat epidosde where Scotte returns prompts this 
>question/comment.  The ship Geordi and Scottie are on 
>cleary has the shields up - but are transported off the 
>Gelico. But I remember that shields were lowered to
>transport the admiral-spy to a Romulan vessel - a bad time to do it
>if you don't have to.

There is another episode (besides Relics) in which transport was performed
through shields--and the REASON it was possible was given.  Hint: the
episode featured Chief O'Brian predominantly.

-> Joe <-
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Subject: Space Rangers - Thumbs down....
From: chan4@husc11.harvard.edu (Derek Chan)
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:53:12 EST
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Arrrgh!  I just had to say this!  Space Ranger SUCKS BIG TIME!  Gee whiz...
it seems that CBS was just trying to cash in on the SF stuff like DS9's
morpher and came up with some cheapo dud.

PUH-LEESE!!

When I saw the opening, I had a bad feeling.  When I saw the inside of the ship with the blonde woman (I didn't watch long enough to know her name) moving
around so cheaply in a pseudo space flight movement, I almost puked.  Then, 
when I saw the lamo mechanical arm on some man, I started crying...  It's shows
like this that give Sci-Fi a bad name.  Geez!  And the AI android -- hmmmm...
ST:TNG Data wanna-be?  One of my friends who had come over to watch this with me
said, "This is like cops and robbers in the 21st century..."  Then, we both
started laughing when one of the characters mentioned the term, "cops and robbers" in reference to the Rangers' job.  ARRRRGH!

I'll be REALLY suprised if this show doesn't get canceled soon.  Gee, I'd be
embarassed to have my name on the credits screen.

I'll be surprised if anybody asks for spoiler warnings -- like this is somethingthat we're all going to waste our time watching.

Sorry for this waste of bandwidth, but I don't post often, and this show just really bugged me, not only because it sucked, but also because it gives Sci-Fi a bad name.  If this show sucks in the ratings, how can we expect networks to come out with better shows?

GEEEZ.

On a scale from 1 to 10 (10 being the best), this show gets a negative!

-- 
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Comments on DS9 "Emissary" **SPOILERS**
Date: 6 Jan 1993 21:23:17 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <curtw-060193135214@146.154.24.5> curtw@euler.jsc.nasa.gov writes:

> In article <C0E1E1.HHs.1@cs.cmu.edu>, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz)
> wrote:
> >[Dax the Trill, and the flashback] 
> > 
> Excuse me, but I *haven't* seen "The Host" (or much of the last three
> seasons of TNG), and I'm really puzzled about Dax. Is someone willing to 
> pass on a short primer? I found myself very annoyed during the flashback 
> sequence, when I realized that there were TWO intelligent beings inhabiting 
> one body, and Sisko addressed them as one. Very un-Federation like. What's 
> the deal here?

  The Trill are a symbiote race.  The human-looking bipeds form the "body" and
the slugs are the "brains".  The freaky part is that it appears the host had an
intelligent, free-will being in it to start with.  Why they choose to be
controlled by the slugs is beyond my comprehension.  Where does the
"consciousness" of the host being go?This issue was never addressed in the
original TNG episode, nor do I recall anyone asking Riker what it was like.   
While I found the flashback an effective way to explain things, I also found it
very disturbing because this "control" aspect.  The host body looked nervous
prior to the implantaion.  Now, one supposes that as a Fed race/races, this is 
a mutal agreement, but I find it bloody horrible.  I intend to do my best to
forget Dax is really a body-hopping slug....


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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From: sg0d@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEPHEN R. GILBERT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Cloaking now obsolete due to gas anomaly tracking equipment
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:26:03 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Or at least it should be.

I just rented ST6:TUC (which I had seen in the theatre a while back,
but this didn't occur to me then due to the fact that I was
overwhelmed by the big screen experience of the whole thing) and found
myself pondering yet another ST inconsistency.

If "gas anomaly monitoring equipment" was used as a mod to a
photon torpedo back in the time of ST6, then why was this great idea
(which was a joint idea between Spock and Uhura, in case you forgot) not
implemented as a standard weapon by Star Fleet and used from that time
right up to the present (TNG/DS9) as a defense against all cloaked
adversaries, not just ones that can fire while cloaked?  Which leads
to yet another question: If the one warbird that could fire while
cloaked that the Klingons had produced was destroyed by this
nearly-believable photon, is it feasible to believe the Klingons did
not have the capability to make more?  Which leads to a third question:
Didn't Scotty get ahold of a cloaking device way back in the late 60's
and rig it to work with the shields or the warp drive or something?
Even if he didn't (which he did), is it beyond the greatest
technological minds in Star Fleet to create a cloaking device, or even
an anti-cloaking device? If this is beyond them, then since the
Federation is now buddy-buddy with the Klingons, considering Captain
Picard settled a civil war, just to give one example, then why has
Star Fleet not been able to obtain this technology through any means?

Don't get too carried away on this.  It seems to me most everyone
feels they have to post a reply to every reply to every post, etc.
This causes me, and I would imagine most other people, to start
ignoring replies after the 15th or so iteration.

Lastly- this is totally unrelated, however, it really pisses me off:
If you happen to be one of the 0.1 or less percent of the audience
that uses a screen > 80 columns, PLEASE!!! Don't go over 80 columns
when you post!!!  Assuming anyone wanted to read your message, they
wouldn't be able to.

Steve Gilbert
sg0d@Lehigh.edu or sg0d@saturn.eecs.lehigh.edu
Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA
From: B7QT@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (B7QT000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Space Rangers SUCKS BIG TIME!!!
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:44:50 GMT
Organization: McGill University


Hi Everyone,

I don't know about you, but was Space Rangers CHEESEY or WHAT??!!!
Dumb dialog, mediocre acting (with one or two exceptions), SFX
were amateurish.  Oh come on, why is the pilot in a prone
position!!!  Marinina Sirtis had to wear a corset to make her
look thinner in order to look sexier (and uncomfortable) in her
uniform (or not a uniform, we'll see in the next new episode).
Did you get a load of the iron maiden corset this poor woman
has to wear???  WHY!!!! For what purpose??

Do we really need another violent, socially unredeeming, cops
show on TV??  I mean, there were more bullets flying in the premiere
than there is phasar fire in one season of Star Trek!!!

Drug Lords?? Oh please come up with something more original.  I think
CBS is just trying to cash in on the Sci_fi explosion and IMHO they
have missed the boat.  The only 2 characters I enjoyed were that
blind empath with the martial arts skills and the robot (artifial
life form).. Since the robot is gone, that leaves one good
character.  The plot was very predictable.  Anyway, what's next?
I haven't seen DS9 in Montreal yet.  Lets hope its better!!!
Sorry for misspelling Marina Sirtis' name!!


Indy

- My other vehicle is a Galaxy Class Starship.....
From: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: G-class ships at 359
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 16:54:25 EDT
Reply-To: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang/Humanities) writes:

> In article <1993Jan5.035425.15011@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rrodabau@magnus.
> >In article <1992Dec29.150250.8316@midway.uchicago.edu> lidz@midway.uchicago.
> > writes:
> >>If you look CAREFULLY at the Wolf-359 wrekage there is ONE galaxy-class hul
> >>
> >
> >If there is indeed one galaxy-class hull, then it must be the _U.S.S.
> >Galaxy_, as the _Yamato_ was destroyed in a previous episode. Guess that
> >leaves only the E.
> >
> >David Rodabaugh                    rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
> >Senior, Mechanical Engineering
> >The Ohio State University
> 
> 
> Spoiler follows:
> (I think the ctrl-L worked....)
> 
> When Sisko is trying to dig his wife from the wreckage, the viewer can see
> through the damaged bulkhead, presumably held together by a structural
> integrity field.
> 
> Past the damaged bulkhead flies the drive section of the aforementioned
> Galaxy-class starship. I rewound this several times to make sure.
> 
> Also, look closely at the first starship to be blown away, the one where
> the Borg weapon vaporizes its saucer section. That ship is the U.S.S.
> Melbourne, Riker's would-be starship.
> 
> Kris Magnusson
> yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu
> yanfang@cc.utah.edu (NeXTmail enjoyed)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Yan Fang-Magnusson
> Ph.D. candidate, philosophy, University of Utah
> yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu
> yanfang@cc.utah.edu (NeXTmail)

The ship in the window is an Oberth class ship.

........
Robert Oliver, tallman@ailanthus.com
via Ailanthus Project +1 207-989-6562 - Brewer, Maine.
........
From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Tech Manuals
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:42:03 GMT
Organization: Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York

In article <dbarber.725938167@crash.cts.com>, dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber) writes:
> >I had a Star Fleet Technical Manual back in the early 70's that was very 
> >similar in format to the one currently available for ST:TNG.  Like a fool, I 
> >gave it away a few years ago.  I don't think it has been available for many 
> >years.  It's probably worth something as a collector's item, now.  So it 
> >goes.
> 
> >jgp
> 
> The original StarFleet Technical Manual by Franz Joseph (a personal
> friend who mentioned my name in the acknowledgments to the manual)
> *is* still in print -- and he does still get royality checks -- and
> can be found or ordered at any major bookstore.

I don't know if this will do much good except to get this off my chest,
but this seems as good a forum as any for this.

I had a copy of the aforementioned Star Fleet Technical Manual by Franz
Joseph which I managed to keep in near-mint condition ever since I got
it about 15 years ago.  I kept it on my bookshelf in the office.  A few
weeks ago I went to look at it and to my horror it was gone!  I suppose
it would be kinda dumb for me to even think about the possibility of
getting it back, but if anybody has any ideas as to how I might track
down the shit eating, mother fucking, waste of protoplasm that deprived
me of this most prized possession, please let me know.  This is really
bothering me because whoever took it:

A)      is someone I work with.

B)      knew it was here and knew where I kept it.

C)      is cool enough to know what it is and what it's worth.

It bothers me that such an individual would also be low enough to steal
it, and what's more, to steal it from kind hearted little me.  It
wouldn't be practical for me to make a stink around the office about
this, but I'm hoping that this message will get to the right people in
the ST community and we might be able to do something about it.  Any
ideas?

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
dwrsun4!perl@murphy.com -or- philabs!dwrsun4!perl
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From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: DS9  on  WXXA? (Western MA, I think)
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:43:42 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA


For some unexplained reason, I have noticed that I am now able to pick up
Channel 62, which is an independant station. I am wondering if they
broadcast/will broadcast DS9, or if someone with a TV Guide that lists 62
can send it to me, so I can get an idea of what their programming is

-- 
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these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
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From: L695819@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Star Trek-TNG Magazine?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 13:05:25 PST


Hello,

I'm looking for information on the Star Trek-TNG magazine.  I need the
name of the company (DC?), address, suscription info, and how many
issues have been printed.Please E-mail info.

                                 Much thanks in advance,

Alan
From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: Thoughts on Emissary (SPOILERS deleted)
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:53:54 GMT
Organization: McGill University

>
>3)  How do the producers decide the order of billing on the credits?
>Obviously it is not in order of importance of the character to the
>story.  I was surprised to see the credits in the following order:

Starring

>     Avery Brooks as Commander Sisko

Also starring in alphabetical order

>     Rene Aberjonois as Odo
>     Siddig El Fadil as Dr. Bashir
>     Terry Farrell as Lt. Dax
>     Cirroc Lofton as Jake Sisko
>     Colm Meaney as Chief O'Brien
>     Armin Shimerman as Quark
>     Nana Visitor as Major Kira
>
>7)  A minor nit-pick.  On Sisko's first meeting with Kira, he said
>that he requested a "Bajoran national" as his first officer.  Doesn't
>the term "national" refer to country of origin, rather than planet?
>Would we refer to a "Martian national"?
>
Well, not all Bajorans will come from Bajora since many Bajorans left
Bajora to fight the Cardassians.

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From: jaufrecht@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: DS9 in Anchorage, AK
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 3 Jan 93 22:29:55 PST

KTUU channel 2 will show DS9 Monday, Jan 8, at 7 pm.  Does anybody know when
the regular slot will be?
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: info. on the gamma quandr
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:05:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.190438.24890@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.3208.18990@dosgate> "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com> writes:
>>
>> -=> Jc924 babbled to All and look what he/she said! <=-
>>
>> Jc> Does anyone have any more information on the Gamma Quandrant?  Has
>> Jc> there been any mention of it before is ST?  If so, what's it supposed
>> Jc> to be like? 
>>
>>Yes, it was mentioned in Star Trek VI I believe.  While Sulu is on the 
>>comm with Kirk, he says "But we're in GAMMA Quadrant right now.  Our 
>>chances of getting to the conference in time are slim."
>>
>>Of course, perhaps it was Alpha...  :-)
>>
>
>
>The only other reference to Gamma Quandrant I've heard of is the beginning
>of STII:TWOK the "Enterprise" bridge simulator was in Gamma Hydrant.

Aren't Canis Major and Minor near Gamma Hydrant? If not, I'm sure they visit
it quite a bit...


-- 
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From: rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech)
Subject: Re: Am I the only person who DIDN'T like DSN??
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 20:14:22 GMT

In article <Bemattison-080193164643@cluster-175w-node.net.yale.edu> Bemattison@vaxsar.vassar.edu (Ben Mattison) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.025340.12113@netcom.com>, jwells@netcom.com (Court
>Jester) wrote:
>> However, try going back and watching the premier
>>> of The Next Generation, Encounter at Farpoint. While it was good in some
>> ways, it was a big joke in others. But they've come a long way since then,
>> even after just a few seasons. If you think DS9 is so bad, give it some
>> time. In a few seasons, we'll be looking back at its own premier and
>> thinking how silly it was. ;-\
>
>Here, here.  The entire first season of TNG had huge problems.  Yes, the
>DSN premiere sucked.  But I would argue that it shows more potential that
>"Encounter" did. Even Picard wasn't a real character in "Encounter."  See
>that heinous scene where he calls in Riker to tell him he doesn't like
>children.
>

Well im kinda torn on two views about this.  First, STTNG was the first of its
kind.  Yes there was STTOS, but STTNG was the first new casting and show of
anything based on startrek.  I think that the writers and actors had alot
more pressure on them, then the people of DSN do.  Lets look at it this way,
STTNG is already an established, popular show.  DSN is in fact based on 
ST, and more than anything else STTNG and the relationships with the
Cardasians, and Bajorans.  I feel that the acting, and the storys should be
at LEAST as good as the current STTNG episodes.  Granted they are new actors
but then again, there are guest appearances on STTNG and they do a wonderfull
job.  Granted STTNG has had its share of "flop" episodes but dont you honestly
think that DSN should be at least as good as current STTNG episodes?  The
first episode of STTNG was a farse, but like I said, they had nothing to
base the story, or the acting on.  This was a first time thing.  DSN has
the look and feel of STTNG to base not only their acting, but the entire feel
of the show.  Im not saying that the people in DSN should act like the people
in STTNG, that would be like making captian Picard talk like Capt. Kirk :-)
The idea im trying to get across here is that the show should have been alot
more impressive than it was.  I felt like I was watching a poorly done STTNG
episode.  I hope they improve the show, and im sure they will.  Till then
all we can do is watch and see.

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From: medic@hardy.u.washington.edu (Travis Lauricella)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Old Yellow Eyes Is Back
Keywords: data brent spiner stargazer
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:32:51 GMT
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I got my copy from Tower Records.  Had a bit of trouble finding it though; I
had to ask.  It was back with the Sinatra albums, like I expected, but I
couldn't find those either.  It's good.  He's not the greatest singer in the
world, but he's no Shatner, either.

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From: CHD@HERMES.ECE.ARIZONA.EDU (Chris De Young)
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Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:57:52 GMT
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In <93007.45689.L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

> This may be a dumb question but why aren't there any black aliens?

Klingons are, predominantly.... however, if you're looking for racial
differences in alien species, look at the difference between TNG Klingons
and TOS Klingons.... TNG Romulans vs. TOS Romulans.... and so on.
(Calling it a racial variation seems to me more interesting than calling it
a budget variation.....)

-Chris
chd@ece.arizona.edu
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From: L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: TROI GIF... BAD NEWS...
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 12:34:46 PST

I just downloaded this GIF from Compuserve if anyone wants to get
it from there.  It is a fuzzy black and white photo of Marina Sirtis,
topless, and have hidden by a lamp or something like that.  So, you
get half a breast.  After looking at the picture I came to a shocking
realization...her face looks a lot like Cher's.  Only in the GIF,
though, thank God not on ST:TNG!

The GIF is titled SIRT10.GIF and is located in the Graphics Corner
forum in a library called Plain Brown Wrapper.

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From: harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp)
Subject: Re: TNG music trax suck
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:24:13 GMT

ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM) writes:

>Absolutely.  I agree with you 100%.  Today I watched TOS: Balance of Terror
>and the past week I watched 'Space Seed" and the music was excellent.
>But I cannot remember any good TNG music at all.  I think the music directors
>should be ashamed.  I also think that James Horner is a better composer than
>Jerry Goldsmith.  Jerry Goldsmith did the music for ST:TMP and the theme
>music for both TNG and DSN.  James Horner did the music for ST:TWOK and
>ST:TSFS.  Horner's music was very effective in bringing out the emotion in
>the movies.

Can you tell me how you know that Goldsmith did the DS9 music?  I was
looking for the music credit from the DS9 premiere, but I never saw
it.  I figured it was some freelance work, and having done some of my
own (in computers, not TV music) I know just _how_much_ credit one
gets for things like that: none.
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