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From: unterspa@novavax.UUCP (Diane Unterspan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: passover customs con't
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:49:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL


     Thanks for the variety of botanical
     misinformation. Yes peanuts are seeds, they ripen
     underground after the flower stalk enters the
     ground. but walnuts, almonds, etc are also seeds.
     All fruits are fleshy organisms which surrounds
          seeds.
What does distinguish peanuts from other "nuts" is
          their membership in the Leguminosae family.
     
     But my question remains, why prohibit legumes?
     
and then there is corn which is in the same family
     (Graminaceae) as rice, barley,wheat and rye, but
          so is sugar cane.
     
Alas, sugar beets are in the family
          Chenopodiaceae.
     
     So, go figure!
     ========================================
Dinah in Denver
From: sjain@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Sanghursh Jain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Hebrew Word Processor
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:38:28 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi

I need a Hebrew Word Processor quite urgently and can't seem to find
one anywhere. If anyone Knows about any such product , I would appreciate
information at sjain@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

Hursh Jain.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Subject: Re: The Arabian Leader (Mufti) AMIN HUSSAI
Reply-To: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 06:25:20 GMT

In article 5528@newshost.anu.edu.au, bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (I) wrote:
>
>(Followups directed to talk.politics.mideast)

Sorry, I forgot.  Please redirect replies yourself if you think t.p.m 
is more appropriate.
From: spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Lubavitcher Rebbe's 90th birthdaySCDOWN
Date: 17 Apr 92 04:17:54 GMT

> }Don't you feel the pain of this golus? 
> 
> 
> i don't know--what's a golus?
> 
Methinks he's talking about the "galut", as in the Diaspora, whicxh many  
consider to be exile, since it should be "obvious" that one should live in  
Israel, just like the Lubavitcher Rebbe. :-< )
From: rdtst@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Richard D. Thorne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: pigeonhole
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:20:58 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


- Except for military technology.  Then Israel feels free to take from
- the Americans, and resell it to the Chinese, the South Africans, and
- whoever else has the bucks and lacks the scruples.
- --
- =Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
  

  You're pretty pointless.  If you are critical of Israeli sales of
  any thing to any one.  Show some concern on how the US sells to
  and supports repressive regimes around the world.  I suppose you
  are aware that the allegations against Israel in regards to the
  Patriot were shown to be false.  It was probably passed on to the
  media by some malicious, anti-semite without scruples like you.

  If I wanted to see the type of thoughtless diatribe you produce I'd
  sign on to TPM.  


   Richard Thorne rdt@med.pitt.edu
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: MASH@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: Equality again
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Israel
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 15:43:48 +0300

 In: <3382@tronsbox.UUCP>
 moskowit@tronsbox.UUCP (Len Moskowitz) cites a tragic example:

>In article <1992Mar31.174204.14777@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>
>alu@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (Alan Lustiger) writes:
>
>>I prefer a comparison with a similar tragic situation, in
>>which one's spouse gets Alzheimer's or a similar disease
>>and can no longer have marital relations but also cannot get
>>a divorce. The halachic alternative for both that and the
>>case of a homosexual is celibacy.
>
>This is not quite right.  There have been cases where a wife was
>severely incapacitated with no prospect for recovery, and the husband
>was permitted to take a second wife.  The rabbinate took advantage of
>a legal method to overrule Rabbainu Gershom's ban on polygamy.  In
>these cases, once the proper halachic procedure is followed, a second
>marriage is allowed.

This brings  us back to the  inequality of the Halakha  as shown here.
If  the patient  would have  been the  husband, no  Orthodox Rabbinate
would have allowed  a second marriage.  Inequality is  inherent in any
rigidly frozen religion.

>Len Moskowitz

 Michael Shimshoni
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
From: horen@rs.com (Jonathan B. Horen)
Subject: Airplane '92
Organization: Renaissance Software, Inc.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:40:00 PDT

Just heard on TV that an airplane carrying Yasser Arafat (y'mach shmo) has
disappeared while in flight over southern Libya, in a sandstorm.

Which reminds me of the old riddle:

Q:  Why can't a person die of starvation in the desert?
A:  Because of the sandwiches there!

 +------------------------+----------------------------------------------+
 | Jonathan B. Horen      | Friendly fire isn't.                         |
 | TechWriter/SysAdmin    | Recoilless rifles aren't.                    |
 | email: J.Horen@rs.com  | Suppressive fires won't.                     |
 | Tel:   (415) 949-9177  |        -- Murphy's Laws of Combat Ops        |
 +------------------------+----------------------------------------------+
From: david.lloyd-jones@rose.com (david lloyd-jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Ross Perot
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:54:55 GMT
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.2)


Date Entered: 04-14-92 10:50
Replying to: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
R(>Subject: Re: Ross Perot

R(>So for this allegation to be true, the people fired would have had
R(>to have been clean shaven before being hired and then grown beards
R(>dispite the well known policy.

R(>I suspect the suggestion that religion is a factor or that Jews
R(>are targeted is an attempt to smear EDS/Perot.


A policy of not hiring people with beards, where this policy is not
specifically connected to dangerous machinery or some other legitimate
beard-related factor, is specific religious discrimination against Jews,
Sikhs and Moslems.  All three, incidentally, seem to be groups in which
there are disproportionately large numbers of capable computer
programmers.

                                            -dlj.
---
   SLMR 2.0   Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up.
   RM 1.60: Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363
From: dcs@witsend.sci.com (D. C. Sessions)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Help stop the KKK 
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 15:02:11 GMT
Organization: Absolutely nobody but me


In article <1992Apr11.112826.5477@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> prs@turing.acs.virginia.edu writes:

  > In article <dragon.702962857@camelot> dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew  >  Korth) writes:
  > >In <1992Apr9.231614.17905@ucunix.san.uc.edu> schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB  >  SCHECTER) writes:
  > >Sorry, you lose me here.  I may, and in fact *do*, disagree with what
  > >the KKK has to say.  However, they have a right to say it.  The First
  > >Amendment applies to them, too.
  >
  > But they have a right to make as much noise as they want as well in an
  > effort to drown out the hateful speach of the KKK.  No one disagrees
  > that they have a right to speak, it's just that the rest of us have a
  > right to try and drown them out...

There are two basic objections to this approach:

1) First Principles --
   Although the Constitutional right to free speach is (as you rightly
   observe) only a limitation on *Governmental* actions, it exists to
   implement of a fundamental value of free societies.  The line often
   misattributed to Voltaire, "I do not agree with a word you say, but
   I will defend to the death your right to say it" expresses this
   well.  At heart, we assume that in a completely open forum the
   truth will prevail.

   There is a popular rationalization that we can draw the line at
   speach which advocates, for instance, supression of free speach.
   This is like burning a house down to prevent kitchen fires; it
   abandons principle for power.  As the old joke says, "We've already
   established that, now we're just haggling over price."

   which leads nicely into:

2) Strategy and Tactics --
   Pull their permit, shout them down, or beat their heads in; as soon
   as you play power games with them they win.  These jerks are
   looking for sympathy, folks.  The morally-challenged cases look
   THEM up without rallies; what these affairs are all about is
   smearing the people they hate.  By themselves they provide the
   useful public service of identifying the slimebuckets.  Get rough
   with them and the decay organisms like B-CPU have a field day
   telling Joe Average about the "thought police."

   A clue from a survivor of more than one VietNam war demonstration:
   we *dreamed* of getting cracked over the head.  The headache went
   away before the ink was dry, and every time a cop got angry we
   scored another victory in discrediting the other side, which was
   what it was all about anyway.  So: do you want to learn your
   history by replay?

--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
--- Note new network address:                 dcs@witsend.sci.com ---
--- There never was any correspondence between my views and SCI's ---
From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Abraham
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:08:53 GMT
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics

In article <1992Apr15.000123.3738@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>In article <45387@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr13.150052.19481@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>>The Israelites, to whom the term "Jew" was later applied (actually from
>>Judah), were the descendents of Jacob, later called Israel.  The Torah
>>specifically states that Ishmael would found a great nation, but that
>>the territory now called Palestine, or Judea and Samaria, would go to
>>the descendents of Isaac and not Ishmael.
>
>So Arabs are descendent of who? Ishmael? I really don't know, can you explain?
>I will look it up in the Quran. Where would Ishmael find the great nation?
>
Nabil,
Found in English also means to "establish" or "begin to build", or "start"
(Foundation)
It says in the Bible that Ishamel will be the father of a great nation. 
It is in the chapter in Genesis (the first book) where Abraham sends
Hagar and her son out into the wilderness.  Hagar asks for help,
and G-d says that he will make a great nation out of Ishmael.

>Nabil

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Where is Our Outrage? (was Re: Nadia: Cool Out...)
Keywords: Bad Apples, Call for Action
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 17:44:03 GMT

In article <kttf67INN9c2@girtab.usc.edu# 
jodar@girtab.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar) writes:
#In article <1992Apr4.134400.10529@cs.brown.edu# 
dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
#
##What I find much more surprising is that Syria is *still* harboring
##a first rate Nazi criminal, Alois Brunner, who lives like a king in
##Damascus. 
#
#While it is questionable whether or not Syria is 'harboring' this
#man, what is certain is that he is not being brought forth to
#human justice.  Nor is he the only one.

Just for accuracy's sake, it is *not* questionable. It is a fact. He
lives in Damascus (the street address was once posted here) and takes
daily walks, in which he is protected by Syrian security agents. However,
he is not so smart: twice he was injured by bomb letters, losing an eye
and a few fingers.

-Danny Keren.
From: mgoller@uceng.UC.EDU (Michael Goller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The Arabian Mufti meeting Hitler
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:35:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: uceng.1992Apr9.003532.11350
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati


	Haj Amin el Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jersualem, legitimized his
spokesman role for Palestinians through self declaration and violent
warfare upon any rivals.  He killed Jews, British and Arabs to maintain
his authority and to impress upon others (english and world press) that
he was the sole legitimate representative of the needs and wishes of
the non-Jewish Palestinian population.
	His clan, the Husseini's were a prosperous and prominent family
and gave rise to other leaders: Faisal Husseini and Yasir Arafat (all 
related.)  Faisal is Yasir's spokesmen in pre 67 JOT (Jordanian occupied
territory) and YAsir follows in the footsteps of the Mufti in pressing
his claim (without substantiation) for leadership of Palestinians.

	mGoller

	(...Schwing! I am just breathless Garth!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: allender@ils.nwu.edu (Laura Allender)
Subject: Re: meat at pesach
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:29:11 GMT

unterspa@novavax.UUCP (Diane Unterspan) writes:
> laws. In sephardic homes it is the custom to have roast lamb at the
> seder. in askenasic homes it is frowned upon as something to be
> reserved only after the restoration of the Temple.
> Similarly the prohibition against eating beans, buts and rice in
> askenazic homes is not observed by the sephardic. 
> How do ashkenazic jews reconcile putting walnuts in their harosetz
> while they forbid peanuts?
> By the way I have a fantastic recipe for harosetz (apricots dates and
> figs) if anyone wants it...
> 
> Dinah from Denver
> 



I have an additional question, why "must" an ashkenazic Jew follow a 
prohibition such as not eating beans, nuts or rice, when a sephardic
Jew doesn't have to?

  I have been to an Orthodox Sephardic Synagogue 
and I think that their traditions -- especially their music -- are
beautiful.  Why must we continue to draw a line between ourselves --
surely trading traditions (on an individual or synagogue level) should
be within reason (only as the individual or group desires).  Does it
really matter to G-d if we practice one set of prohibitions vs.
another as long as the symbolism remains intact?  Aren't we one
people?  These rules seem so meaningless when they divide us.

Finally, I'm not saying that anyone should give up traditions they
don't want to give up, but if I wanted to eat rice on Passover and
speak Hebrew in the Sephardic way, do I have to go through some
conversion process?  Or can I just declare that I embrace some of the
traditions from both worlds and do a combination?

Finally, I'm not saying this because I care whether or not I eat rice
and beans over Passover, although it would be healthier than eggs.

Laura
From: friedenb@gypsum.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Hagadah?
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:41:25 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@gypsum.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University

There is a Vegetarian (and similarly egalitarian, etc.).  I saw it in a catalog
recently.  I cannot remember the name of the Hagadah, but if you call Pinskers
Judaic Bookstore in Pittsburgh, PA, they can tell you more about it and you can 
order it from them as well.

Their phone # is 1-800-JUDAISM 

I also recommend them for all other Sefarim as well.  O,C,R all like this place.
It is reasonably priced, and well stocked.

Gedaliah Friedenberg
Department of Mechanical Engineering
Michigan State University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: MASH@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: On Hiding one's Beliefs
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Israel
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 16:12:50 +0300

In: <10106@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au>
isaac@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Isaac Balbin) writes:

>MASH@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>
>>To write something  in a way that  some readers of
>>scj do  not understand is  meaningless and in this  case the act  of a
>>coward.
>
>Really? Only a coward? Is it only cowardice? Aren't your neurons sufficiently
>matured to understand that cowardice isn't the only motive behind suppression
>of information? Do you also assume that the IDF or security forces
>or your bank manager or your wife withold certain information only because
>they are cowards?

If any  of the  people on  Balbin's above  quoted list  would withhold
information which  is in  the public  domain, known  to anyone  who is
interested to  know, than  I would  not call  them cowards  but fools.
Trying to hide what is in the open is stupid.

>                  If you don't *understand* why Rabbi Alter takes his
>approach then by all means question him. Saying that he is a coward though
>only puts *you* in a pretty poor light.

I understand  R.  Alter's motives pretty  well, or so it  seems to me.
He was encoding something he believes to  be the truth and part of his
religion as  he sees  it, but for  some reason he  does not  wish some
"outsiders"  to know  it.  I  consider a  person who  is not  ready to
openly admit his  beliefs a coward.  Even more so,  as both the "code"
he had used, and  the original text have been printed  and are open to
anyone  including  those terrible  "outsiders",  coding  this text  is
useless and to make this effort is rather silly.

Perhaps I am in a "poor light" but at least I am not trying to keep my
views in the dark as Avrohom did and Balbin defends.

Michael Shimshoni
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: MASH@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: On Superstitions
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Israel
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 15:33:51 +0300

 In: <9204020146.AA12696@relay2.UU.NET>
 br042@cleveland.freenet.edu sends a encrypted reply:

> In article <1992Apr1.130610.9420@tudorct.com> shdan@tudorct.com (Dan Shimoff)
> >In article <14094@pitt.UUCP> cap@mb5000.anes.upmc.edu (chris pilewski) writes
> >>Hi there,
> >>
> >>A few weeks ago a Rabbi came to the medical center where I work.
> >>While he was here, he performed a ceremony to bless a Jewish
> >>patient who was about to have a rather complicated operation.
> >>
> >>Although I did not personally see it performed, I understand that
> >>some Pigeons were sacrificed during the ceremony.  Would someone
>
> >Sounds like Santeria to me.  This has no relation to Judaism and is
> >practised among the Caribbean peoples.  Could be classified as
> >witchcraft or strange worship (avodah zarah) both expressly forbidden
> >by Jewish Law.
>
> IMHO Lo Hakol Tzrechin Legaleh L'Reshus HoRabim.  Kol mi sherotzeh leydah
> al mah medubar kan, ayin na besefer ta'ami haminhagim b'inyan refuos.
> Hamachlah hamidubar kan, hu hanikrah "Tzahevet" belashon haKodesh. B'laz
> korim es zeh hepatitus.  Harefuah hamuzkar shum hu "baduk u'minusah" v'gam
> mishtamshim b'zeh k'ragil b'yerushalayim iyar hakodesh TVBUB'A.  Gam ani
> b'atzmi asisi es harefuah hazos, v'hu poel refuah, mamash!  Chas VeShalom
> kol mi shzeh nogaya lema'aseh, na lichtov li.

I fail  to follow  this kind  of method.   Either Avrohom  believes in
something or he does not.  If he  does but is ashamed of it, he better
change  his belief.   In  the  English part  which  Avrohom refers  to
someone described a certain "healing"  method as witchcraft and avodah
zara.  If Avrohom does think that  this method is one of HIS religion,
he should proudly  say so, and let the readers  decide what they think
of that  religion.  To write something  in a way that  some readers of
scj do  not understand is  meaningless and in this  case the act  of a
coward.

Avrohom can be quite sure that all  the sacred books, or even the less
sacred  ones  he  believes in  are  open  and  known  to all  who  are
interested, believers and critics, Jews and Gentiles.

> Na lo leshloach aishim!

Sorry, I cannot comply with your request.

>
> Yasher Koach & Kol Tuv
>
> Avrohom Mordechai Alter

  Michael Shimshoni
From: millman@ursa.UUCP (Phillip Millman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Ba'al Teshuva (who is Orthodox?)
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:49:40 GMT
Organization: Bear Stearns, NY

Being Orthodox is a label (and not necesarrily a good one).  I believe there are
two types of Jews Observant and not Observant.  And we all (IMO) fit into both
catagories.  Doing T'shuva means that we are ALL imperfect (I know for myself
this is very true.)

Shalom
Phillip
From: broner@acfcluster.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Lubavitcher Rebbe's 90th birthday
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:41:56 GMT
Organization: New York University

In article <1992Apr16.134129.26322@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf) writes:
> 
> Yes, I heard the NPR report.  Although it was factual, as is their
> custom, I thought it made Chabad look like Nuts!  
> Before anyone starts to flame me, I was aggravated by this slant, 
> and disappointed in NPR.  I'm not a Chasid, but I honor their 
                            ===================================
> feelings and appreciate their sincerity.
  ========================================
> I thought the report could have been handled better.
> 
> Paul Wolf

Allevai (oh that it would be) that all Jews would be at least this tolerant.
 
> Have a happy and Kasher Pesach

A kosher und freilichen Pesach

With ahavas  yisroel~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chaim
The bottom line: At least they're talking about Moshiach
From: allen@golem.ssc.gov (Mike Allen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: fishfood
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:18:48 GMT
Reply-To: Michael_Allen@ssc.gov
Organization: SSC Laboratory, Dallas, TX

>>>>> On Thu, 9 Apr 92 02:23:13 -0400, br042@cleveland.freenet.edu said:


In article <9204090623.AA27150@relay2.UU.NET> br042@cleveland.freenet.edu writes:

br042> In article <1992Apr8.221305.1@zodiac.rutgers.edu> monnik@zodiac.rutgers.edu writes:
>does anyone know fishfood that is kasher lepesach?

br042> Matzah Meal?  Matzah Farfel?  Matzah Fish food?

A friend of mine tried that last year with a goldfish.  The fish
didn't make it through the week :-(  He will be selling their new fish
to a non-Jewish neighbor this year.

Chag Kasher v'Sameach

--
===============================================================================
	German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, on the inauguration of Germany's first
Holocaust memorial, saying Germans must never forget Nazi atrocities:
	``(We) owe it to our children and grandchildren. We must pass on to
them the realization that it is not at all self-evident that one should
be allowed to live in peace and freedom.''
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: HSUSA00@ricevm1.rice.edu (Susarla, H. Krishna)
Subject: Jewish - Israeli names
Organization: Rice University, Houston, TX
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 04:46:35 GMT

I'm writing a story which has, as one of its characters, a female Israeli-Jew.

I was wondering if anyone can provide me with some suggested first and last
names. Of course, such a list might be endless, but I would like to hear as
many suggestions as possible.

Reply in private if possible.

Thanks
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (a.j.s. nusbacher)
Subject: Re: nuts and meat at pesach
Organization:  University of Toronto
Distribution:  world
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:42:56 GMT

Walnuts are true nuts that grow on walnut trees.  Like many other true nuts
they are traditional pesach fare, not least because they are a kasher-le-
pesach snack food.  Peanuts are legumes that grow in the ground and fix
nitrogen in the soil.  As legumes, they are kitniot and therefore not eaten
by ashkenazim.

Aryk Nusbacher
aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca