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From: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 Trivia answers
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:42:18 GMT
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Here are the answers and replies to the latest F1 Trivia questions.  I actually
missed two drivers from the second question when I came up with the statement
that 9 drivers qualified, so next time I won't put in any hints so I won't
have to admit I made a mistake! :-)

>1 (the easy one): Which driver was capable of winning the WDC in the last
>race of two different seasons, but did not - and he never won the WDC.

% From: naren@fang.att.com (Naren Chauhan)
  Clay Regazzoni - 1974 & ??

% From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
	Moss '58 and '59.

Stirling Moss is the correct answer

>2 (a bit more difficult): Name the drivers who have come soooooo close to 
>winning the WDC, yet never have.  This is determined by finding drivers who 
>could have won the title in the last race of the year, but didn't.  Also, 
>don't include any driver in this situation who had a previous WDC title or 
>won it later on.  (Hint: there are 9 different drivers)

% From: naren@fang.att.com (Naren Chauhan)
  Didier Pironi - 1982
  John Watson   - 1982
  Carlos Reutemann - 1981
  Rene Arnoux   - 1983
  Clay Regazzoni   - 1974
 (5 correct)

  Jacky Ickx       - ??
  Ronnie Peterson  - ??
  Francois Cevert  - ??
(3 wrong, but Naren did state his records only go back to 1970 and those three
drivers are reasonable guesses)

% From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
	'50 Luigi Fagioli
	'51 Jose Froilan Gonzalez
	'56 Peter Collins
	'58 Stirling Moss
	'59 Stirling Moss
	'59 Tony Brooks
	'74 Clay Regazzoni
	'81 Carlos Reutemann
	'81 Jacques Laffite
	'82 John Watson
	'83 Rene Arnoux
(Dan got all but Didier Pironi, which I can almost accept since he wasn't
really capable of driving after his accident during practice for the German
GP)

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From: conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake)
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Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:52:03 GMT
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dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick) writes:
: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes:
: > Quick!  Someone tell FISA.  They should be able to rejuggle the 1993 schedule
: > Michael Andretti in F1 would be a big draw for a USGP.
: 
: Nah.  What they have to do is deny him a driving license because he
: drove in Surfer's Paradise, twice.  

Has anyone told Bob Jane about this?

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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
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Date:  8 Sep 1992 08:50 EST  

In article <1992Sep7.201922.49638@ccvax.ucd.ie>, wboatclb@ccvax.ucd.ie writes...
> 
> I've just heard on the the radio that Michael Andretti has signed
> for McLaren. That's all the info I have. I thought I'd let all you
> 'netters know ASAP. 

I wonder if this means that Mario will finally retire from IndyCar :-)

JD
From: TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re:Political Campaigns using Motorsports
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:28:25 GMT

bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)writes:

-So now we have the candidates showing up at racetracks (like
-Clinton at Darlington the other day).  But it really bothered
-me that ol' DW was wearing his Bush/Quayle button quite clearly
-in the post-race interviews.  Now I like DW as much as the other
-guy, but I really am against the driver's displaying thi
-their political persuasion in front of the cameras.  And I also
-wonder what the sponsors' stand is along these lines.  Is it just
-me or is this bugging anybody else?

Yeah, isn't it disgusting.  Unfortunately its probably better to
endure it rather than control it.  Hey, thats what VCRs and mute
buttons are for.  Even though I really like DW, I find his constant
reference to his religious beliefs just as annoying.  Again, fast
forwards the solution.

--Terry
From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mclaren engines for '93 ??
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:37:21 GMT
Organization: Clemson University

From article <1158@racerx.bridge.COM>, by james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello):
>>Does anyone know what Mclaren are using next year (evan a wild guess) ?
> 
> Wild guesses: BMW, Cosworth V12 (possibly with Jaguar badging), Peugeot 
> 
> Most likely: Mugen-badged Honda V10. "Honda" drops out, but provides
> backdoor support through their "racing arm". This allows them more
> latitude in playing with the money spigot, and provides a side benefit
> of building up the Mugen name, allowing more growth in the "aftermarket"
> parts business. 
> 
What about a Mugen-badged Honda V12?  If McLaren can come up with a fairly good
chassis for next year, this year's V12 with the big "H" filed off the cam covers
might not be so bad.


Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu
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From: dwv@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Dave Vollman)
Subject: IndyCar driver changes
Organization: HASA "S" Division
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:55:04 GMT

OK, I was listening to the mid-ohio indycar race on the IndyCar
radio network, and here is a couple of things I heard for next
years drivers:

1) Mansall will be with Newmann-Haas (Does He get the #1 if Michael
   wins the title?)

2) Derrick Warwick will test Tuesday with Hall-VDS. If all goes
   well, John Andretti will be looking for a ride next year.

It's looking like a real good year in both the F1 and IndyCar
series next year. Hey Cannonball, got a few unemployed
drivers for that Hudson development :-)

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From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
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Subject: Re: BELGIUM-SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 9 Sep 1992 16:54:50 GMT
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In a previous article, boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) says:

>aggressive (IMO) when Schumacher got stuck behind a Mclaren.  Given that
>Berger and Senna are consumate blockers AND given that this usually means

I agree with this.

>they weave from side to side (thus using the whole road) AND given that this

Berger may weave but Senna tactfully blocks his opponents.
From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Re: I had a (F1) dream...
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 19:17:21 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep7.180706.29262@rdg.dec.com> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>
>In article <7aRNqB2w165w@dlhpfm.UUCP>,
>dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick) writes:
>
>[regarding Little Al and F1 negotiations]
>|>
>|>It did seem like he was pushing it a bit when he said he was only
>|>available for an F1 ride that allowed him to drive Indy.
>
>Why is that pushing it a bit?  Other F1 teams let their drivers drive at Le
>Mans.

Because Indy qualifying takes up a good amount of the month of May.  There
are often F1 events in May.  In previous years, Indy has been held on the
same day as Monaco.

alan

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Do You Agree?
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:46:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.175129.14910@hubcap.clemson.edu> andy@newton.cs.clemson.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS) writes:
>  If this is true, and it looks as though it may be, perhaps the
>bodies that govern motorsport in the US might want to examine the
>series they are running.  It seems that, in general, American
>motorsports place a good deal of emphasis on brute force while their
>European counterparts (and the rest of the world) prefer finesse.
>Since  Colin Chapman changed the face of Indy car racing back in the 
>60's, the up and coming American drivers find they have been schooled 
>in the wrong techniques. 
>
>  If I were and Indy team manager and I had the choice of two drivers,
>one who drove hunks of metal around mud circles and another who
>graduated from the world of FF1600 and F3, I know who I would pick.
>
Not to argue, but I might mention that Al Unser Jr. and John Andretti
can certainly include a good amount of "hunks of metal around mud
circles", as well as Rick Mears and Robby Gordon cut their teeth
(probably literally) running around the desert in buggys and pickemups.

Does someone like Steve Kinser or Sammy Swindell use 'finesse' in 
broadsiding their sprint cars on a 1/2 mile oval?  Maybe defined
differently than an F3 on a European road course, but car control
nonetheless.

-c'ball-

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From: wolf@pioneer.unm.edu (Mark Giaquinto)
Subject: Re: Alboreto - was Report and Results from Italy (spoiler)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 04:33:30 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility

In ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig) writes:
>In apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton) writes:
>> From BBC CEEFAX
>> [ ... stuff deleted ... ]
>> 7 M Alboreto   It  Footwork  @  one lap
>
>He did it again !!!!


Why does is seem to me that Alboreto or De Cesaris(sp!) has a lock on 7th,
the later has is 5 times and the former at least 7....

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From: CMIS10@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Timothy Palka)
Subject: Re: 27 Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Organization: Motorola
Date: 8 Sep 1992 15:50:49 CDT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
In article <1992Sep7.201922.49638@ccvax.ucd.ie>, wboatclb@ccvax.ucd.ie writes...
>
> I've just heard on the the radio that Michael Andretti has signed
> for McLaren. That's all the info I have. I thought I'd let all you
> 'netters know ASAP.

I wonder if this means that Mario will finally retire from IndyCar :-)

JD



one could only hope
From: dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Patrese VS Schumacher
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:40:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Sep7.184032.18790
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <95369@bu.edu> nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:
>
>(I just wanted to clarify my last post, which I cancelled).
>
>
>Can anyone confirm that Patrese will be #2 to Schumacher at Benetton in 1993?
>I *KNOW* that Patrese and Schumacher will be driving for Benetton,
>the question is on the #1/#2 vs equal status of the drivers.
>
>Someone mentioned that Patrese will be #2, but I seriously doubt it...
>

It would be hard to believe that Schumacher, who would have the pick of
open rides, would be #2, and Patrese, now a perennial #2 would suddenly
be #1, particularly in his dotage as a driver.

Now if Benneton can get Renault-like horsepower they'll be the clear #2
or possibly #1.5 team.  Smart move, Riccardo; you'll go out in style!
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From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:09:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Senna + Wiliams: NOT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

> As I recall, a similar position was taken by Mr. Prost for '92.  He
> considered driving, but in the end, did not, because he did not
> believe there was an available car+team which would meet his
> standards.

Prost position was a little different: He didn't have a drive in ANY of
the top team. The only team he could have driven for was Ligier which
didn't want to commit the kind of money Prost thought was necessary to
turn the team into a competitive one. At this point I think it would have
been more damaging for his career to race than just sit the year out.

As far as I am concerned McLaren is still one of the top team. It just
isn't THE top one. If Senna feels that McLaren isn't going to be competitive 
next year he could always try to get a drive with Benetton. 
But then again maybe he is afraid of Shumaker(sp ?) in an equal car...

In any case, the fact that one of the cry baby decides not to drive isn't a
valid excuse for the other one to do the same :-)

bruno.


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From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Re: News on Piquet?
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 01:52:21 GMT

In <7164806836657@c00559-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu> jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:

>Last I heard he was looking forward to racing in Indycars again

We could have Piquet and Mansell racing in Indycars together (maybe not
the same team).  Fun !!!

When would Piquet be racing again ?

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From: andy@newton.cs.clemson.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS)
Subject: Re: Patrese in the late 70s
Organization: Clemson University Computer Science Dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:17:48 GMT

In article <95888@bu.edu> nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:
>
 ... on Ronnie Peterson's fatal accident...
>
> I guess I am too young to remember any of this, so if someone knows
>who David Hobbs was referring to, and maybe some more details on the
>whole issue...
>

  The driver in question is James Hunt, aka Hunt the Shunt.  The
reason that David Hobbs didn't mention his name is probably because
Hunt was sitting a couple booths away.

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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Schumacher -- $1 million <NOT!; this year anyways>
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:59:30 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes) writes:

>Howdy!
>	Someone posted something (really?) about Schumacher being had for $1 mil or so.  The ESPN (Hobbs) guys mentioned at Spa his (MS) salary for this year
>was around 200,000.  I think they said $$, but I'm not sure.
>	If he (and the brain trust that called the perfect timing for pitstops)
>continues the good work exhibited in Belgium, no telling what he'll make
>next year.

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	Schumacher was the main factor in deciding when to pit. When he slid
wide going through Blanchimont ( the double left-hander before Bus Stop ), 
Brundle passed him. When Brutal went by him, Schu looked at teh other one's
rear tires, and seeing that they were blistered, he pitted immediately!!! 
This man had the presence of mind to do all of this, having nearly putting
himself out of the race, is pretty remarkable.

TOBY...
From: tiok_kl@tac.fi (Kari Leminen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Hakkinen for Lotus
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:56:46 +0300
Organization: City of Tampere

-According todays newspaper Mika Hakkinen will drive for Lotus next year.
 Williams, McLaren, Benetton ...Watch out !
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From: mike@msc.cornell.edu (Mike Heisler)
Subject: CART in PA?
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:56:21 GMT

I am interested in going to the CART race on Oct. 4 in PA.  Anyone got
a phone number or address to get ticket and schedule info?

I noticed it is at Pennsylvania Inter. Raceway, is that formerly Pocono
or is this another place?

Mike Heisler		607-255-7344	    mike@msc.cornell.edu
Materials Science Ctr.	302 Thurston Hall   Cornell Univ, Ithaca, NY 14853-1503

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: IndyLights Results??
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:28:04 GMT

I'm in need of the Top 5 (at least) results from the
IndyLights race this past Sunday at Mid-O.  Driver's
points would be a plus.  All I know is that Groff won.

Well, you know it's again football season around here which
means that motorsports coverage in the Oregonian gets about
1/4" of space each Monday for the entire weekend's motorsports
coverage.  

Yeah, like me and thousands more around the Portland area are
really that interesting in the results of the West Virginia
vs. whomever else way over on that other coast last Saturday.
And I really meant 'interested'.

thanx
bob

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From: dwv@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Dave Vollman)
Subject: Re: Bruins free-agent camp question...
Organization: HASA "S" Division
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:38:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.183116.18356@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>And didn't Al Jr. receive the same accolades by the Lakers???  I know
>it's silly season, but the talk about Michael Jordan getting the N-H
>ride next year is too far out....

Naaa.... Look at it this way, Jordan will get the Jordan ride if F1 next year.
Of course, he will buy the team, but no need for a name change. And he will
bring enough money into F1 to make them change the rules so He can fit into
a F1 car. Old Mr. Senna is gonna need a couple of Rio phone books to reach the
pedals. And of course, all races will start with a Golf outing!

(In case anyone Really takes this seriously)


:-) :-) :-) :-)


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From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: Jordan F1
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 11:11:26 GMT

>> 10702296@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (DECLAN MC) writes:
>> Can someone please tell me why Jordan dropped Ford engines and picked up 
>> Yamaha? This was their worst decision of '92.  With 3 new teams coming in 
>> next season and the car going as bad as it is, how are they going to compete?

salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena) writes:
> 	Money.  Jordan had to buy the Ford engines.  Yamaha offered Jordan
> 	their engine for free..

Sure, money was a concern, but one big factor was that Eddie Jordan wants
to win the World Championship, and he felt that he could not do that with a
customer engine such as the Ford.  Unfortunately, the only works engine that
was available to him was the Yamaha, and Eddie decided to jump for it.  If
he had waited another year with the HB V8, there might have been something
else available...

Anyway, while the Yamaha is fabulously unreliable, IMHO it does not complet-
ely hide the fact that the '92 Jordan chassis is not as good as the '91.
Naturally, there are some valid reasons: the Yamaha V12 is longer and heavier
than the compact HB, but I think Gary Anderson's design is not another
bullseye like the '91 version.

I do hope Jordan picks themselves up, but the rumour is that McLaren is
courting Anderson to do active ride development for them...

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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Penske powerplant (Was Re: Little Al's next seat)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:43:25 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <92259.091536JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>    [  .  .  .  .  .  .  ]           The engine that Penske uses is said
>to have some C parts on it. You have not seen the Penske cars drop out
>often with engine problems.

Have you been watching the same races I have?  Until Michigan, the
Penske cars had extreme difficulty finishing races. In fact, at the
only race I attended (Loudon, New Hampshire) it was by no means
certain that the cars would even make the grid!  Many failures
were powerplant related, although sometimes this was not publicly
admitted (Tell them it's because of your wrist, Rick!).

Admittedly during that time the powerplant was purely the "B" engine,
and the addition of the "C" engine parts has gone a long way to
rectify the situation.  But the reliability of the pure "B" was
nowhere near as good as you imply (at least, not when it was set
up to deliver the same amount of power as the `Ford').
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