From: robj@netcom.com (Rob Jellinghaus)
Subject: Re: JON the bigot, Steve Giammarco an enlightened one ,(Re: ,,,)
Keywords: elf jon rob Mr. Chemistry
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:14:47 GMT

Ah ha ha ha ha!!!  Zeke-o really outdoes himself this time!  I'm leaving
to visit my family tomorrow morning and so won't be posting until end of
next week, but Zeke's latest was just too precious to pass up.

In article <23DEC199200542313@zeus.tamu.edu> olw7845@zeus.tamu.edu (Zeke E. Pez) writes:
>Your argument seems at first to be a very
>strong and valid (like that facsade of CONSENTING ADULTS)

And by the way, Zeke, I notice you completely ignored all the posts we
last replied to you with.  What's the matter, is it easier to repeat
yourself and ignore your opponents than to actually come up with an
argument?

>In a free society, people are allowed to think anything they like, no
>matter how *PEDOPHOBIC* it is.   What they should not do is to act out their
>*PEDOPHOBIC* fantasies in a way that impacts other people.

Um, what does this mean?  People are allowed to think "pedophobic"
things?  What does that mean, that people can be scared of kids if
they want to?  You're babbling already, Zeke, and we've only been
playing this game for a week.

Assuming you meant "pedophiliac", then yes, pedophiles are allowed
to think pedophiliac thoughts, but not allowed to act them out in
a way that impacts other people--i.e. children.

>In a free society, people are allowed to think anything they like, no
>matter how *GAY or JEWISH* it is.   What they should not do is to act out their
>*GAY or JEWISH* fantasies in a way that impacts other people.

Sure.  In what way does being "GAY or JEWISH" impact other people?  Be
real specific, now.  How is being "GAY or JEWISH"--and acting "GAY or
JEWISH"--comparable to being a pedophile who's molesting children?
Or comparable to being a Nazi who's killing people?

>But Hey, many experts have concluded that *Gay behaviour* is inhereted so
>why should we try and stifle the GAY community.
>
>But Hey, many experts have concluded that *Anti-Gay behaviour* is inhereted so
>why should we try and stifle the Anti-GAy community.
>
>I hope that I have shown that the LOGIC used in many arguments on this news
>group is purely circular and really has no conclusions in favor of or against
>a pro or anti group.

You've proven nothing except that you can cut and paste with your
editor.  What is "gay behavior"?  Is it just simply being gay?  You're
right; there is no reason to stifle a gay community because it is gay.
Gay people interfere with no one.  But what, then, is "anti-gay
behavior"?  Sounds to me like discrimination against and bigotry
towards gay people.  In other words, sounds like a behavior that causes
harm to others.  This is why the logic is not circular, Zeke--we just
want to be left alone, but you and yours want to wipe us out.

>I have never stated how I feel about the HOMOsexual lifestyle, I simply took 
>the ANTITHESIS to the logic and played the devil's advocate!!

And are making an idiot out of yourself in the process.  How you feel
about the HOMOsexual lifestyle is irrelevant.

>In short dear sirs, I will bash you not because you are PRO HOMO
>but because your arguments violate at least two of three basic
>and fundamental philosophical MAXIMS (again, I limit my accusation to this
>news group). 
>
>1) the UNIVERSAL APPLICATION of many arguments on this group fail!
>2) the PRESERVATION of AUTONOMY of many arguments on the group fail!
>3) I have forgotten the third MAXIM but it is out there and this group
>   probably fuck it up too.

ROFL!  I'm laughing out loud!  Hey, you all, we violate Zeke's Unnamed
Third Maxim!  The sky could fall any minute!!!

>I will not prove why this is so,but I refer you to any freshman level
>PHILOSOPHY text and it will (or at least should) describe these three MAXIMS.

Please!  Anyone who can find the philosophy text Zeke has in mind
should send it in to the Church of the Subgenius, as it's obviously an
immortal reference tome.

Zeke, you're a classic.  Don't ever change.

>Come on, attack me show everyone how much of a fucking idiot you can make of
>your self.
>
>Come on, Come on ...

OK.  This is fun!  Your move, Zekehead!

>|-----------------------------------------------|
>|ZEKE                                           |
>|olw7845@VENUS.TAMU.EDU                         |
>|                                               |
>|PRO-NOTHING, ANTI-NOTHING, as far as you know! |
>|-----------------------------------------------|

Y'ain't fooling anyone by removing that crossed-out pink triangle,
Zeke.

Anyway, that's it for me.  Take good care of the Zekester while I'm away,
everyone!  And happy holidays!

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