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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Rison looking at the NBA?
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:52:41 GMT

curt@OCE.ORST.EDU (Curt Vandetta) writes:
>
>  [...] Rison playing Basketball
>  [...] he was considering persueing
>  his options in the NBA

His options in the NBA are fewer than Mark Gastineau's options in the
world of boxing.



--Gidi


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Giants sign Derek Brown
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:54:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.180840.18760@news.columbia.edu> pjl2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Paul J Landsberg) writes:
>As the subject line says, the Giants signed their number one draft
>pick, Derek Brown. He is a big tight end that has some speed.
>Dreams of Bavaro are probably playing through Handley's head.
>If I heard correctly, Derek signed, reported to camp and LT hammered
>him on a tackle, giving a nasty cut or two.
>
>Paul Landsberg
>
  I thought I heard on sportscenter that LT put his elbow through his
  face mask. That could hurt.

>


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: VIKINGS - Cut Joey Browner?
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:26:39 GMT


 I saw on ESPN that Joey Browner has failed his Physical and has been cut. What
 is the story behind this? Wow, Minnesota is really going through a youth
 movement. Any info from Minnesota?

							Mark
							Go Vikings!
From: scotti@milesaway.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott A. Vu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Fryar,Johnson, and Proehl
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:37:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: milesaway

Anybody out there know any status on the following WR:
- Vance Johnson
- Irving Fryar
- M. Proehl
How are they doing in camp?
Are they going to start this year?
Or any other info about them.

Also, any news on the Broncos will be great.         

Thanks
scott- 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: fishkin@Xerox.com (Ken Fishkin)
Subject: Re: '49ers News
Reply-To: fishkin@Xerox.com (Ken Fishkin)
Organization: Xerox PARC
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:29:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.065300.16329@menudo.uh.edu>, st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui) writes:
>       The 49ers also signed their 9th round pick, Darian Hagan, the former
> QB of Colorado.  Are they going to use him as a WR/KR?
    Yes, that's the plan. They want to give John Taylor a rest
(and also reduce chances for injury), and everybody else they tried
at the job last year (Sanjay Beach, maybe Dexter Carter) didn't cut it.

-- 
Ken Fishkin	fishkin@xerox.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: john@porta.b24a.ingr.com (John Nolin)
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR CHRISTAIN PLAYERS
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:48:56 GMT

Don't forget about Barry Sanders.

-John-
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: john@porta.b24a.ingr.com (John Nolin)
Subject: Looking for News on R. Hampton
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:05:33 GMT

Our fantasy football draft is quickly approaching and I'd like find out
how Hampton's camp is going and if he has a contract with the
Giants.  Most of the fantasy mags that I've read rank him number four
under Smith, Sanders and Thomas on the basis that he's pretty much the
main man in New York.  Seeing as how these magazines were all published
before any training camps started, I would like some training camp info.

-John Nolin-
(c'mon! I can't have ALL Saints players on my fantasy team, it wouldn't
be fair to the other fantasy coaches! B))
Geaux Saints!!!!
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Dolphins update
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:09:01 GMT

Three more vets signed Monday. DE Jeff Cross, NT Shawn Lee and CB
Michael McGruder. 

Cross signed a 3-year contract worth $2.97 million. McGruder took $1.2
million over three years. Rosenhaus, agent for Cross and Lee said
Cross received a signing bonus of $60,000. He will get a base salary
of $900k this year $910k in '93 and $1.1M in '94.

Lee actually won't sign until today (tuesday) but only because he was
late arriving by car from Tampa. Lee will receive a 1-year deal for
$400k. Lee settled for the $400k to get a 1-year deal. The contract
has a 1-year option, but that will be voided if Lee starts for more
than 60% of the defensive plays. "Because Shawn was hurt last year
that was the best we could do," Rosenhaus said.

This leaves four vets unsigned. Paige, Griggs, V Jackson, and Odom. 

GM Eddie Jones was only half smiling because of the absence of Miami's
two first rounders Coleman and Vincent. 

Shula indicated that a prolonged holdout would be more damaging to
Coleman than Vincent: "Linebacker is much more difficult to learn tha
cornerback."

Jones indicated negotiations with Coleman's agent, Brian Ransom is
next to impossible. He said Ransom hasn't called since Saturday, when
he told the media he might take a brief vacation.

"I don't understand his posturing," Jones said, "We're trying to get
his player into camp, and we can't find him."

Contacted Monday by phone in Atlanta, Ransom said he would arrive in
Miami today but would only stay for one day. "I don't have all week to
sit around and listen to them," he said. "It won't take long to hear
what I need to hear."

Ransom said the Dolphins have offered Coleman a 4-year contract
worth $3.5 million. Ransom has said he will settle for no less than an
average of $1.3 mission per year for Coleman, who was the 12th player
drafted.

Miami reportedly has offered Vincent, the seventh player picked, $4
million over four years. One of his agents, James Bodley, indicated
the Dolphins were close but "not quite close enough."

Waived were CB Tony Tellington, LB Brian Jones. DE Joe Brunson and LB
Brent Collings left camp. LB Kirk Carruthers (FSU) was resigned after
being waived the day before... (what kind of a game is this?)

Five players failed the official weigh-in, led by rookie TE Milton
"Big" Biggins, who was 13 pounds over his assigned weight of 273. 
WR Mark Duper was 8 lbs. over at 202. G Keith Sims was 7 over at 307
(and was negotiating with the team to up his max. to last year's 305).
RB Bobby Humphrey was 2 over at 203. P Reggie Roby was 1 over at 244.
At the current penalty level of $50/lb/day. Big is out $650.

Tony (go new england) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Broncos
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:05:45 GMT

Mini-report:

Signed Simon Fletcher for 4 years.
Signed Gaston Green for a series on 1 year contracts.

RB Steve Sewell is out for the year.  He broke his ankle in 5 places.  This
is a real bummer as he was an amazing 3rd down player for the Broncos.  He
could play several positions and do lots of different things.  There were
lots of plays designed around him.

-- 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder
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From: v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (John of Gaunt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: More Bills' news and other stuff.
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:37:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I was going to write about that Buffalo News article that Doug Evans
excerpted, but I won't since he beat me to it.
	I got the June, 1992 issue of Buffalo Bills Report at a local Tops
market.  It has some interesting news.  The Bills' GM talked about their
"draft the best players available" draft strategy.  It also talked about how
the Bills have fourteen defensive backs in camp.  Only eight will survive.
	I heard from some guys at the Founding Fathers Pub in the city that
John Fina, the Bills' first-round pick, has agreed to terms but hasn't signed
yet.  This is good news since serious negotiations only started recently.
	I also got a preview magazine that has stats for each NFL game played
in the 1991 season.  It includes possession time stats.  I'm going to analyze
those numbers soon and post the results.  I'll calculate possession time per
win numbers for each team, then calculate league-wide averages in two ways.
The first will be to give each team's possession time per win stat an equal
weight, the other will be to weight each stat by the number of wins that team
achieved.  I might also see how possession time per win changed during the
course of the season, if at all.

Snoopy
From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Need info on the following players...
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:27:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: ghidrah.central.sun.com

In article 4009@usho93.hou281.chevron.com, hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
 > I do know that Reuben Mayes is no longer a Saint.  Where is he?


Mayes is now a Seahawk.

Nate McConnell				|Undead:  MFL Coach of the Year 1991
nate.mcconnell@sun.com			|         NFF Central Champs '91
					|	  NFF East Champs '89 and '90

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: Re: Eagles Training Camp
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:12:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.233401.4185@seq.uncwil.edu> rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:
>
>     Well, went to West Chester today to see my boys do thier thing,
>and I saw some good things, some bad things.
>
>The Bad: Still no starting secondary.
>The scrub secondary: looked good, but the recievers were dropping
>everything anyway. McMillan, despite his size, is a keeper.
>

	To Paraphrase,  Training camp is a '50s invention;
	designed for a time when players worked two jobs and
	had to get into shape for the upcoming season. Todays
	Pro Football Players workout all year - there are
	exceptions like Mr. Wm. Perry - and dont need the
	drill of an extensive training camp. Many careers have 
	ended due to an injury in training camp. 
	
	Rich Miano, Eagles DB.



	
	

--
    bill@uhunix.bitnet 
    bill@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu 
    21.19 N.LAT by 157.52 W.LONG          
    Fish on the Byte
From: hanley@fyi.crd.ge.com (Christopher W Hanley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles Training Camp
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:40:08 GMT
Reply-To: hanley@fyi.crd.ge.com (Christopher W Hanley)
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

|>Why McMahon?  I would rather see his salary go to up-and-coming QB.  I
|>don't know what he does for the team off the field since I don't have
|>access to the Philly press, but on the field, he does not impress me at 
|>all.  He is just so battered that he doesn't have anything left to give.
|>I respect his past achievements but he is just too unreliable...
|>--
|>Kevin Schnitzius
|>kschnitzius@encore.com

You missed the stories of McMahon's incredible leadership last year.
Apparantly McMahon took a strong leadership role by developing 
relationships with and encouraging his team-mates.  He was well
respected by all the Eagles with many calling him the smartest 
quarterback they have ever seen.  

Hopefully Randall can glean something from McMahon and learn how
to lead his team instead of trying to do it all himself.
I think sitting out a year may have been the best thing for RC.

Chris Hanley
From: papr@crim.ca (Paprican Project)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: rams news needed
Summary: looking for latest on rams
Keywords: update
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:26:27 GMT
Organization: CRIM

I'm looking for news on the lambs, sorry I meant rams. I know the only
unsigned draft pick left is steve israel. Any news on him?

I'm also interested in the RB situation. Has cleveland gary got all the
butter off his hands yet.

...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Spreads
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:30:57 GMT


I have made a final decision as to how the pool will be run.

I received over 70 responses on the subject and only about 20 people
said they wanted to use spreads.  There was mixed reaction to the
idea of using the weight (confidence) system.  As a result of the
feedback I have received, I have come up with the following system.

- No spreads will be used.  Perhaps, if there is enough interest, someone
  else would be willing to start a spread-pool.  I will not be handling
  this.

- A MODIFIED version of the weight idea will be used.  It works as follows:

	Each week there will be a total of 100 points possible.  The
	breakdown is:

	4 games - 10 points each (40)
	5 games -  7 points each (35)
	5* games-  5 points each (25)

	*When there are not 14 games, you get 5 free points for each
	non-game and assign 5 points to only 3 or 4 games (not 5).

Reasons behind this idea:

- The big reason is that I (and others) was bothered by the idea that
  in the 14,13,...,2,1 system, someone with 5 games correct could
  get more points than someone with 10 games correct.  My system
  reduces this but still adds a little of the excitement.  Here
  is a table which shows the possible point ranges relative to the
  number of games guessed correctly:


           5-7-10 Method	   1..14 Method
   W  L	MIN	MAX  RANGE	MIN	MAX  RANGE
  --------------------------------------------------
  14  0	100	100    0	105	105    0
  13  1	 90	 95    5	 91	104   13
  12  2	 80	 90   10	 78	102   24
  11  3	 70	 85   15	 66	 99   33
  10  4	 60	 80   20	 55	 95   40
   9  5	 53	 75   22	 45	 90   45
   8  6	 46	 68   22	 36	 84   48
   7  7	 39	 61   22	 28	 77   49
   6  8	 32	 54   22	 21	 69   48
   5  9	 25	 47   22	 15	 60   45
   4 10	 20	 40   20	 10	 50   40
   3 11	 15	 30   15	  6	 39   33
   2 12	 10	 20   10	  3	 27   24
   1 13	  5	 10    5	  1	 14   13
   0 14	  0       0    0	  0	  0    0

- It should be less of a pain to group your picks into 3 groups
  than it would have been to rank the games 1-14.

- It will make for less ties in the weekly pools than if we just
  went by games guessed correctly.


The next message from me will be a new version of the rules/signup
post.  Please check it out (like, read it!) as there are some other
points of interest in there that were not in the original post.

I will also post a new list of participants.  We are just over 200.

Sorry to those of you who wanted spreads, I hope you will stay in the
pool anyway.

By the way, for the 1st week of preseason (4 games only) we will have each
game worth 7 points.  Preseason will be just for fun, records will not
carry over into the regular season.
-- 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder
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From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Is Tommy Vardell for Real?
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:09:27 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Jul23.151535.8537@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> bortnick@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
>
>
>
>  I am interested in finding out whether Tommy Vardell is as good as all
>  the hype we have been reading about him. Just the other day the immortal
>  Jim Brown was quoted as saying that he had helped the Browns scout 
>  Touchdown Tommy. Brown said, "Vardell is a throwback." I want to know
>  from someone that has seen Tommy play throughout his career whether he
>  will be an outstanding pro or just another journey man like Brad Muster.

First of all, I think you are doing a disservice by calling Muster a 
"journeyman." He ranks among the best fullbacks in the league. Off the top 
of my head I can only rank John L. Williams ahead of him.  Vardell may be 
a better pro than Muster simply because he is more compact, runs harder and 
hits the hole quicker than Muster. People attribute his tons of goalline 
TD's to power but really he does it by exploding off that first step into 
the hole and into the tackler. He'll be good... If Mack is healthy, the Browns
would do well to slide him into the halfback spot and line the two of them 
up in the same backfield. Both are fast enough to go the distance and they will
each block for the other and for Bernie.... 



-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: "Suzanne Morzajew, MPG, McGill University" <CCSM@MUSICM.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Pocket Schedules Wanted
Organization: McGill University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:41:50 GMT

Hi,

I am looking for pocket schedules.  Any sport, any team, any year.

If you can help, please email me at CCSM@MUSICM.MCGILL.CA

Thanks

Suzanne
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR CHRISTAIN PLAYERS
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:11:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.005259.9457@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks) writes:
>agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Jul18.202604.13966@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>>Come on guys, get a clue!
>
>AMEN.
>
>>Some Christian players are/were:  Jeff Hostetler
>>                                  Mike Singletary
>>                                  Roger Staubach
>Former Seahawk Steve Largent; he's also very active in Young Life in Tulsa.
>also, Joe Gibbs. (OK, he's a coach, I admit it.)
>-- 
There are several Redskins who would be considered "Christian"
players.  Art Monk comes to mind immediately.  And Darrell Green.  

schalene

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Eagles Training Camp
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:08:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.233401.4185@seq.uncwil.edu>, rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:
> The Good: Herschel Walker - he ran around, through, over and away from
> every defensive unit. By far the best back we`ve had since Wilbert
> Montgomery.

This is good news.  No matter how much Herschel lost since his all-pro
days, he is still better than anything the Eagles had in the backfield
last season and should really help the rushing attack.

>           Randall Cunningham - looked as good as ever. Scrambled away
> from a few 'sack` situations during reciever drills.

I saw Randall scramling on some of the local news footage.  Brought a
smile to my face:-)!  How was his timing and arm strength?

>           Keith Byars - has a new lease on life knowing there is a 
> quality backfield partner (besides Randall). He played/practiced hard,
> determined and fought for every inch.

Byars has always given 110%.  I expect him to have a very big season
even with Herschel sharing the load.

>           Pumpy Tudors - nailed every punt. Feagles is out of a job.

Pumpy Tudors, huh?  Let's at least wait to see how the guy performs in 
a preseason game before we give him the punting job.  Jeff Feagles, IMO,
is going to be very difficult to beat out.

> The Bad: Still no starting secondary.

Blame Braman and Gamble, but I hear Izel Jenkins is signed and ready to
report.

>          Brandon Houston - rookie OT - started a fight every 15 mins

Buddy would have loved him:-)!

> The running backs: Stacy and Sherman looked pathetic. Brooks and Joseph
> looked good. Walker was spectacular and Byars was very good.

Heath Sherman and James Joseph are going to be fighting for one job.  

> The QBs: all looked below average except Archer and Cunningham. Give
> Weldon a break though, it was his first day.

Weldon is a project.  Goebel is most likely history.  Archer is going
to be in trouble if the Birds resign McMahon, which I wish they would
do soon.  Kemp is going to make the team if for no other reason than
for Braman to hang out with his dad, Jack Kemp, on Sunday afternoons.
Though he did perform very well off the bench last season.

> The Defense: was good. Tommy Jeter held his own out there. I think the
> unit will survive and be motivated.

Well, Jeter had better do more than hold his own.  He, Golic, Pitts,
and the linebackers all need to step it up a notch to make up for
the loss of #99.  And speaking of the LBs, Byron Evans needs to be
signed NOW!

> Well, thats all for now...

Keep up the info!


Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux2!jmd
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Broncos
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:02:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Jul28.180203.26385
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

In article <1992Jul28.170545.20434@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>Mini-report:
>
>Signed Simon Fletcher for 4 years.
>Signed Gaston Green for a series on 1 year contracts.
>
>RB Steve Sewell is out for the year.  He broke his ankle in 5 places.  This
>is a real bummer as he was an amazing 3rd down player for the Broncos.  He
>could play several positions and do lots of different things.  There were
>lots of plays designed around him.
>
How do you break an ankle in 5 places??!! OUCH!! Do they really expect him
back next year?
  
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Niner Trick Plays (NOT) (was Re: '49ers News)
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:51:12 MDT
Keywords: 49ers, razzle-dazzle
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Jul26.222002.17767@sco.com> timr@sco.COM (Tim Ruckle) writes:
>
>Va negvpyr <1992Jul23.235712.6784@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>
>marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com jevgrf:
>} In article <1992Jul23.193300.23194@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>,
>} gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>} >alan@wrc.unr.edu (Alan McKay) writes:
>} >(Do the Niners really tend to call trick plays less often than other
>} >teams?)
>} 
>} Yes! And it's always frustrated me no end. I mean, they don't have to
>} throw a flea-flicker on every series, but once or twice a game you need
>} to try some razzle-dazzle just to keep people on their toes.
>
>I think this's not only historically true, but even more prevalent last
>season.  They had one option pass--by Sydney, incomplete.  They had one
>end around--to Rice, for two yards (though I think they faked it to him
>a few times...oh boy).  I don't recall a single faked punt or field goal.
>In fact I can't remember anything "tricky" at all besides those two plays.
>
>Perhaps Walsh thought that his offensive scheme was one big "trick play".
>But unless I'm mistaken, he had a pretty good judgement for when it was
>appropriate to go for a "low percentage" play, and used them accordingly.
>Seifert seems to be more of a conservative, by-the-book kind of coach.
>


According to Walsh's book, he felt he should get in at least 1 trick play a
game. His goal was to get the play in before his opponent could. Seifert on
the other hand doesn't seem to be that kind of coach. Hard to remember any
of his trick plays.


Tom Wolf