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From: grettir@pension.UUCP (Grettir Asmundarson)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Shroom and Waffle, mutual coexistence IS possible!
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 09:09:07 MST
Organization: The Pension Grillparzer +1 801 375 7679

> BBStevie does all its i/o through stdin/stdout.  However, running an
> ANSI driver will often interfere with Waffle's i/o redirection.  The
> best bet is to upgrade to BBStevie 3.0, which will handle its own i/o
> through a FOSSIL driver.  That way, you can run NANSI.SYS to use
> BBStevie locally, and it will still operate remotely.

I had to downgrade back to v2.2 because v3.0 was echoing characters.  In 
other words, if you typed in ":q", you got "::qq".  Even running without
ANSI.COM didn't solve the problem.

Has anyone else seen this behavior?

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From: abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle Goodies..
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:29:48 GMT
Organization: Vis-a-Vis Communications [Ontario+Quebec]

steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB) writes:

> As I understand it, dynafeed is used for the addition and deletion of
> complete news group feeds, not for individual news within a group you
> are already receiving.  Now, if, indeed, dynafeed can tell your upstream
> host to send selected articles as well, it sounds like the greatest
> thing since peanut butter.

DOS BBS operators have enjoyed such a thing for years.  Between
"systems" there is a thing called AreaFix.  Between "users" we use Qmail
a la .QWK packets that allow "add" and drop" conferences (newsgroups) etc...


---  /|ugust /|bolins  --------------[ abolins%visavis@nyongwa.cam.org ]---
From: rick@ricksys.lonestar.org (Richard McCombs KB5SNF)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: how to "newgroup"
Keywords: Subject
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 02:07:53 CST
Reply-To: rick@ricksys.lonestar.org (Richard McCombs KB5SNF)
Organization: The Red Headed League; Lawton, Ok

jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US  (Dazed N. Confused) writes:

> markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher) writes:
> 
> Subject: header is not required, but nice.

Well a Subject: header is required in a news article, and a newgruop is
a news article, so I'm 98% sure it's required, if I could figure out
what I did with the floppies I had the RFCs on I'd be 100% sure.


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From: rad@railnet.nshore.ORG (Rick DeMattia)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Removing crossposts from a FOLLOWed post
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:38:23 GMT
Organization: Railnet BBS +1 216 786 0476

bcrock@happy.nuts.almanac.bc.ca (Brad Crockett) writes:

> When replying to an article that has been cross posted, how do you
> specify which newsgroups you want to cross post to?  Or are you
> forced to FOLLOW to the exact same newsgroups that the original
> article specified?

If you note before you reply that the message has been crossposted,
you can specify in your followup command which groups to include:

	follow comp.bbs.waffle

for example - your followup will go only to that group.



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From: tom@spud.kludge.com (Tom Lemos)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: WAFFLE to WWIV.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 10:27:23 PST
Organization: TTLF - Free News & Mail System, San Francisco, CA

Ok. I know about WWCP. but everything I read about this program, is for
someone who wants to get WWIV subs on their Waffle board. Fine. I run
both WWIV and Waffle on my machine. I'd like my newsgroups to be read from
within WWIV. Anyone doing this out there? Waffle does its own phone calling
and stuff for the newsgroups, I just want to know how to get WWCP to toss
them to WWIV, and WWIV to toss replies back to Waffle for outgoing feeds.

I tried setting up WWCP once, but it seemed to me that this program was
more of a ONE way WWIVsubs to Waffle BBS than a gateway it seems to be.

Any help would be most appreciated.


Tom@spud.kludge.COM (Tom Lemos)               Tater Tot Liberation Front BBS
                                                           Free News & Mail!
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From: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Headers...
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 07:55:08 EST
Reply-To: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue)
Organization: Deep In The Heart Of The South!


  Is there an easy way to add your own header information to messages?
  I know that the common ones are taken care of my waffle itself, but 
  suppose someone wanted to add a special item to message headers, is there
  an easy conforming way to approach this. Simply adding it to the ASK
  line of the static file didn't seem to change anything. 

  bill

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From: fenner@snobol.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: The woes of ^Z
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:51:21 GMT

In article <1PFyVB4w165w@vector0.SAC.CA.US> jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US  (Dazed N. Confused) writes:
|     Somewhere in the middle of the article the poster had put in a
|^Z.  Waffle stopped at this point and read no further, even though
|the rest of the file was about 10k.
|
|bug bug bug bug bug bug

This is a religious issue; the key is that this is a bug in MS-DOS.  To fix
this would require quite a bit of restructuring (i.e. you can't open a file
in text mode if there's going to be a ^Z in the middle of it)...

  Bill
From: abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Kermit
Keywords: Kermit, DOS, Waffle 1.65
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:46:16 GMT
Organization: Vis-a-Vis Communications [Ontario+Quebec]

otto@jybox.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes:

> stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz) writes:
> 
> > In /waffle/extern/_send. add the following:
> > K   /command="C:\util\msKERMIT set port %d, set file type binary, Send %i"
> > Similarly, in /waffle/extern/_receive. add the following:
> > K   /command="C:\util\MSKERMIT set port %d, set file type binary, Receive %
> 
> Will this setup notice carrier loss -situations?  I once tried a similar
> setup with kermit, but I couldn't get it to quit if carrier was lost and
> I finally scrapped it.

That is one of the reasons why I stopped offering Kermit as an
alternative transfer protocol; it was impossible to get out of a Kermit
session if the remote user didn't launch his Kermit properly.  ^Xs and
^Cs did not abort; useless.


---  August Abolins  --------------[ abolins%visavis@nyongwa.cam.org ]---
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: bbs.byron@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Byron Reynolds)
Subject: Seeking Portland, OR WAFFLE based bbs.
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:18:49 GMT

If anyone here is running a Waffle board in Portland, OR, please send
info!  Thanks.
 

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Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5026 alt.bbs.waffle:4888
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Hello fellow zombies (was Re: FIDONET STANDARD?)
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 20:45:12 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes:

> In article <1992Dec7.010742.25172@skypod.gts.org> scott@skypod.gts.org (Scott
> >In article <HeHaVB1w165w@dogbox.acme.gen.nz> dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Ken
> >>If your system administartor has any questions, ask him to email me,
> >>and I will show him the forged newgroup messages for it.
> 
> >Forged?  How do you forge a newgroup?
> 
> Good question. For an alt group -- you can't. Unless you put someone
> else's name on them.  And I did not. Thus, no forgery.

I was referring to the forged newgroups put out by Bruce Becker in
my name, and several other people's names.

> A better question is why anyone would believe that USENET votes apply to
> the alt hierarchy. And, lacking an answer to that one, why anyone would
> use the result of a USENET vote as the basis for nuking a valid alt
> group. 

Simple. Ever read alt.bbs.waffle recently?

"Hi, I'm new to waffle, and I'm stuck. What do I do now"

These people are precisely the reason that the alt.group needs to be
killed properly. It would have been better if it never existed in the
first place, but I believe it's the first alt.bbs.<package> to have been
elevated out of alt.

All the wafflers are reading comp.bbs.waffle, and a.b.w has been out of
circulation for long enough that news.admins should have removed it.


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From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:04:01 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

N. Richard Caldwell <nrc@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us> writes:

> Actually, now that I think about it, you don't even need that.  Wafmail
> already does a passable job of stuffing USENET messages into QWK packets.
> The real limitations are in the offline readers.  If someone wrote a QWK
> reader that would recognize USENET style messages in the body of the QWK
> packet, all these problems could be solved.  All the information is there,
> it's just in headers in the message body instead of the QWK mail
> headers.

Passable? Wafmail locked my system up left and right. I gave up and
took it out months ago. But particular packing software aside...

> I don't understand the logic here.  Are you suggesting that it would be
> easier to develop offline newsreaders that would use the RNEWS format than
> to get a QWK mail reader to recognize that the QWK packet contains a
> USENET style message?  Doesn't make sense.  In either case the format is
> nothing but a wrapping that you put around the USENET style message.  The
> key is getting a reader to recognize that fact and deal with it.  The
> difference is that an intelligent QWK would be useful on just about any BBS
> while an RNEWS newsreader would be useful only on a very limited number of
> boards. 

Don't you mean "just about any >>DOS<< BBS" ? I am not suggesting it
would be easier, no. I am suggesting building readers that deal with
RNEWS format, though. As you describe it, either way the readers are
what need to be developed, not the message formats. Why? Because access
to Usenet is becoming more readily available and there is a demand for
some sort of off-line reading capability. As for developing readers for
RNEWS, it isn't like the paths aren't blazened already. Porting Snews
for off-line reading comes to mind. This kind of thing could be more
readily transfered across to the Unix side of the world, not just DOS.


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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:08:00 GMT

In article <lgXLrA1BBh107h@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us> tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari) writes:

>The only real domain left is .<MyCountry> (.US), which is based on a
>geographic hierarchy.  If I move out of South BrunsWicK, NJ, I have 
>to register a new domain name.  Yes, it's free and easy, but I'd rather
>not have to do it more than once.  And I'm fortunate in that my account
>with UUNET means not having to find another forwarder.

Ummm, if you have a uunet account they will help you register your
own domain name under .com or .org at no charge.  If you call them
to pick up mail, it doesn't matter where you are anyway.

>What would be wrong with a .PRI domain for unaffiliated, private sites?
>Everyone has at least an MX record in the DNS, it doesn't imply a specific
>transfer protocol like .UUCP, and there is no geographic hierarchy so a
>site can be physically moved without having to re-register its domain name.

Makes sense to me, but the difference between .PRI, .COM, and .ORG seems
pretty arbitrary.  Does everyone need to know if you are unorganized?

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
From: tcbowden@clovis.felton.ca.us (Timothy Bowden)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: USENET news <-> Fido echoes
Keywords: FIDO gateway newsgroups conversion
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:09:34 PST
Organization: Yucca Flats II in Felton, CA

abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:

> But what is so terrible to let people read your echos.  What "damage"
> does it do?  I found no such "no-read" clause in Fido Policy for points.

They're all ashamed of their typos.

Just kidding.

Typically the Echo Coordinator must contract on his own dime to bring in
the echos from a LD call away, and the rest of the net contributes an
agreed rate per month to offset the charges.  Anybody downstreaming
echos to a point would be letting somebody under the tent flap if the
point allowed callers.

A point is a point, as Gertrude Stein paraphrased, but a point is a
board when more than one user visits the scene.  In that case, it's just
another board scabbing on the dues-paying members of the net.




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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@snobol.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Waffle Goodies..
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:08:10 GMT

In article <5DTsVB3w165w@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US> steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB) writes:
|I currently draw news from two hosts.  One of them occasionally goes
|flakey.  When this happens, I'd like to be able to go to my backup
|news host (different from the above) with I-HAVE/SEND-ME to keep
|up-to-date.

For IHAVE/SENDME to work well, you need a history database, with quick
lookups on Message-ID.  Tom said that something similar to this was scheduled
for 1.66, so maybe implementing something like this will be easier after
1.66 is released.

  Bill
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs,news.software.readers
From: jhood@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (Lord Yertle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:27:21 GMT
Organization: Pick a banana, any banana

In article <9swuVB4w165w@circle.raleigh.nc.us>
lance@Circle.Raleigh.NC.US (Lance A. Brown) writes:

>How hard would it be to change your FQDN if you move?  You would have to 
>distribute your new email address to everyone, but that already has to be 
>done when you switch jobs or attend a different university if you don't 
>have a UUCP site.
>
>I'm curious.  Does anyone _know_ what is involved with changing your FQDN 
>in the .US domain?

I did this a few weeks ago.  You send in another registration to the
.US-meisters; they'll change your old name to point to your new MX
forwarder if you want.  They ask you to eliminate the old domain name
at some point.  It's pretty easy.  The messy bit is keeping your mail
software working through the transition.

  --jh
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From: piggy@hilbert.cc.utas.edu.au (La Monte Yarroll)
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:30:06 GMT

tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari) writes:

...
>The only real domain left is .<MyCountry> (.US), which is based on a
>geographic hierarchy.  If I move out of South BrunsWicK, NJ, I have 
>to register a new domain name.

Not true.  I live in Sandy Bay, Tasmania (Australia).  My home machine
is baqaqi.chi.il.us.  This works just fine.  My MX forwarder just
routes my mail a little further.

Just pick someplace in the US with which you'd like to be associated,
and use that for your domain.

...
>What would be wrong with a .PRI domain for unaffiliated, private sites?
>Everyone has at least an MX record in the DNS, it doesn't imply a specific
>transfer protocol like .UUCP, and there is no geographic hierarchy so a
>site can be physically moved without having to re-register its domain name.

>Comments?  Flames?

That's essentially what the .us domain is supposed to be for.  I'm
sure there's something written by Postel somewhere that explains why
he decided to subdivide the .us domain the way he did.

BTW, it IS permissible to have a non-geographic subdomain in the .us
heirarchy, though I don't know of one.  For example, we
(/usr/group/chicago) could have set up the domain park .ugc.chi.il.us,
but we already had a lot of sites registered before we found out we
were allowed to do that.  The main constraint against having
non-geogrphic domain parks in .us is the requirement of having no more
than a few machines in the domain at each site.  Already, we have a
few private sites with about 10 machines (some people have nothing
better to do with their money :-).

If you are really keen on having a non-geographic catch-all domain,
you might approach the us-domain people with a request for
registration in .nowhere.us, or something like it.  Hmm... is there a
town in the US by the name of "nowhere"?  :-)
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@snobol.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Waffle Goodies..
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:16:55 GMT

In article <9XquVB2w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
|The only caveat I can think of is that mention of 'ihave/sendme' draws
|fire... apparently, that is old-hat, and should be replaced with the
|current buzzword:  Dynafeed.

As far as I know, ihave/sendme and Dynafeed solve two completely
different problems.  ihave/sendme allows a backup newsfeed to transfer
only the articles that were missed by the primary newsfeed; Dynafeed
allows the feed's "sys" file to be customized based on the destination
site's readership.

I can't see how they overlap.

  Bill
From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Setting the modem's "E" parameter
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 18:24:41 PST
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:

-> mike@arts.com (Mike Witt) writes:
-> > Waffle will say "Waa" if the modem is in echo mode UNLESS it sees E1 in the
-> > init string.  For instance, if you don't have any "E" in the init string, 
-> > and the modem DEFAULTS to echo being on, then Waffle will say "Waa".
-> For what it's worth, things seem to be slightly more complicated than that.
-> Waffle doesn't care which way the E parameter is set or which way your modem
-> defaults.  But it wants to see the E parameter in the initialization string
-> in order to know whether to echo characters or not.

What I have figured out is that if Waffle sees a E0 in the init string
and it GETS an echo, then it goes "Waa..."

Pattern that I figured out was:

Modem powered up with ECHO ON.
WAFFLE sends init string turning off ECHO.
Modem echoes init string,
   then turns off ECHO.
WAFFLE sees echo and "Waa..."'s.
Any further modem commands are not echoed.
WAFFLE doesn't have any further reason to "Waa..."


Since I changed the power up configuration I have yet to see a "Waa..."


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From: paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 23:25:42 ECT
Organization: Home Office in Vienna, Austria

fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:

> In article <Z672VB1w165w@actrix.co.at> paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater) 
> |Whatever happened to the group over on Compu$erve that was meant to be
> |collaborating on a QWK-II standard?  This was meant to fix the defects
> |vis-a-vis USEnet support.

> Last time I talked to someone who claimed to be working on QWK-II, and
> offered help with USENET support, I was told to buzz off, since they
> were only interested in Fido...

Aw gee, what a bunch of no-hopers.  Maybe we should work on standards
for QWK-III.  :-)  Shouldn't be too hard.

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From: dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: rejected??????
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:04:41 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:

> jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US  (Dazed N. Confused) writes:
> 
> >      New idea?  Why not use that for newusers.  Copy "splash.txt" to the
> > user's name ala newuser.bat.  In order for the new user to *get rid*
> > of the "annoying" splash file, he has to read to the end in order to
> > find the extern command to delete his splash file.
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> P'raps not a good idea.  Mere mortal users cannot access /waffle/text,
> much less delete files in there.

My understanding of jon's post was that the sysadmin should create an
~/_extern/rmsplash program, accessible to the normal user.

> You _could_ add 'type annoy.txt' to the default waffle file in a
> newbie's dir, and then he'd have to discover what a waffle file is, and
> how to edit it.

Also a workable solution.  You could include instructions on how to edit
the /user/newbie/waffle file in the annoy.txt file.

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