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From: jcurrie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (James Gordon Currie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Keywords: Falcon
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:24:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <66867@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke) writes:


>    I have a major problem with the MF being captured by the
>Death Star in ANH.  Han and the others hide out and the imperial
>officer reports that "According to the log the crew abandoned
>ship right after takeoff.  And  SEVERAL ESCAPE PODS HAVE BEEN
>JETTISONN."  If the MF was caught in the tractor beam then
>how could escape pods escape being dragged in too?  And even
> if the pods could escape from the Death Star's tractor beam,
>are you telling me that the imperials are dumb enough not to
>have detected all this?  Any reasonable explanations?
>Anyone, anyone, anyone, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller....

        It's real simple... As YOU said, "abandoned...right after
takeoff..." Ergo, the pods had been jettisoned LONG before the
Death Star picked them up (or at least according to the falsified
log). In future, before you post questions answered by the 
quotes from the script, re-read your post...

>Jay
>-- 
>John Richard Deyonke
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Ciao
J G Currie
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: request for opening text - Here is is
Date: 23 Aug 1992 17:10:21 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <goudswaa.714504631@sfu.ca> goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard) writes:
>
>Yes, you're right!  I just love, though, the way it scrolled off into
>the distance.  Was that done by moving the lettering, moving the
>camera, or someother 1970's technology?

	If you have access to an Art of Special Effects book (The ILM one)
they show the opening crawl done by placing transparent lettering over a
illuminated box. This was placed on the ground and a motion control camera
got in real low over the lettering and went down the lettering.

	In an issue of Cinefex they said that ILM had to do this 8 times.
For all the foreign releases.

  _________   _   ____    __  __  __  _   ____    ___   | Josh Ling
           |   \      \     \   \   |  \      \      |  |  joshuali@usc.ed   
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From: z_cartheybr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars big obvious blooper!!!!
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:08:47 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Sep4.145021.6070@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>, cad214@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("P.Craig") writes:
> Has anyone else noticed that at the end of Star Wars, when Luke gets back after
> blowing up the Death Star, he gets out of his X-Wing, and turns to Leia who is
> running up to greet him, and shouts, rather loudly, CARRIE !!!!! Now either Leia
> changed her name by deed poll, or Mark Hamill severely fluffed his lines. (but
> I'll forgive him anyway if he did.)
> -- 
> 
> This is a signature....

HAAA!  I thought I was really hallucinating when I heard this, but you've 
proven otherwise.  I wonder why they didn't overdub it.  Although if you 
don't nnoticce it, I guess it would sound like he wawss just saying 'Hey!'

--Blitz


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From: umwieb69@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brent Michael J. Wiebe)
Subject: Random Ramblings (The Sith, cut scenes from ESB, etc.)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:00:12 GMT

Ok, just thought I'd give my 2 cents worth about the current threads in
this newsgroup, namely, the Sith, and the cut scenes from ESB.  I am
getting all my information from what I assume is a canon source,
George Lucas' biography, Skywalking.

If any of you have ever read this book, you know that the original 
Star Wars storyline was quite a bit different than what it ended up
being.  The entire set of movies was to be based on the struggle
between the revered knights of the Jedi Bendu, and the Dark warlords
known as the Sith.  Now, I assume that the actual use of the word
Sith survived all the early scripts and up to the final cut because
it is mentioned in the movie story book, but never actually in the
movies (check for yourselves).  If you really want to be surprised,
I may post the original bare bones story line taken directly from
the novel Skywalking, I will if there is enough interest.  Interestingly
enough, this also explains the painting (matte?) of Luke aboard the
Blockade Runner, as he was originally supposed to be an older general
in the Rebellion out to rescue his brother Deak from the evil Lord
Darth Vader and his right hand man Prince Valarium (I realize that
Prince Valarium is mentioned in fall of the republic, but he was
also in the original story treatment of star wars).  So, like I say,
I will post it if there is enough interest (the original storyline).
Han Solo was to be a Greedo-like creature with Chewbacca his girlfriend 
(seriously, I'm not making that up!).

As to the cut scenes from ESB, this is mentioned in Skywalking as well.
Unbelievably, more than 45 minutes of footage was cut from this movie
because George Lucas Had some sort of power struggle with Irving Kershner(sp?).
Some of these scenes may have made their way into the trailers.  The
whole wampa attack was described in Skywalking (and subsequently removed),
along with many other scenes.  Another scene that was cut, that I distinctly
remember, occurred in the attack on Hoth.

There is (was) a scene where a Rebel Snowspeeder was shot, but did not im-
mediately detonate, instead, he careened, flaming into an imperial walker
(kamikaze style), and thus taking it down.  Anyone else remember this
scene?

Oh well, so much for the ramblings, and let me know if anyone wants me 
to post 'The Star Wars That Might Have Been.'

Regards,
Brent Wiebe
umwieb69@ccu.umanitoba.ca


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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Dark Empire: NOT CANON!!??
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 03:29:29 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <92242.210533DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>YIKES. This kinda bothers me.... I know the Zahn and Dark Empire storylines
>are different enough in plot emphasis and overall tone to seem unrelated and
>occurring in different "realities", but I had hopes that both were official....
>I guess it was just wishful thinking. So if Dark Empire isn't canon, then what
>about the other stuff coming out from Dark Horse Comics later on.....the next
>series, as well as the "Tales of the Jedi"?


Canon in the Star Wars universe includes three little things:

1) Star Wars (Episod IV: A New Hope)

2) Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

3) Episode VI: Return of the Jedi

The films, as shown in the theaters, and the videotapes later
released. It does NOT include the novelizations. It does NOT
include any missing footage. It does NOT include ANY associated
works, (eg, The Han Solo stories, the Lando stories, Zahn's
stuff, Alan Dean Foster's stuff, the Marvel Comics, the Dark
Horse Comics, etc)

It does not include things printed on the bubble-gum cards, on
the back of the Kenner action figure boxes, the Role-playing
game, the Nintendo game, the arcade games, or any other games.

Lucas doesn't have to acknowledge more than the three films. In
fact, he can (and has) gone back on 'what was explicitly stated'
in the movies, unless you buy Ben's, er, explanations.

Lucasfilm allows the above products to exist, after some process
I'm not in the know about. I imagine and speculate that it says
you can't kill off any characters, you can't change them
drastically unless you bring them back, and don't expect to have
your work acknowledged in any future movies. Just MY speculation.
Lucasfilm giving them the okay means they're official. Not
canonical. 

The 'Star Wars Classic' comics due out a week ago may be an
exception.. I seem to recall there being an 'Ord Mantell'
mentioned when they were printed in the newspapers between ANH
and TESB, and theres a reference to that in TESB. Or I could be
dreaming. :)

In any case, unless you see it on-screen, don't consider it any
more than the writer's delusions, no matter how wonderful those
delusions might be.

Now, after I've come off as an expert on this topic, lemme quote
the emminent Charlie Brown:

"I'm only sure about things that are a matter of opinion."

Bear that in mind. If someone can contradict me and say 'yes,
Lucasfilm says this IS Canonical! It IS part of the real Star
Wars universe, and Lucas is gonna acknowledge it!' PLEASE DO! :)

Joshua
+      "Each woman is a promise that she can't keep that appeals to           +
|  a hope you can't control." - joe theseus, Deadface: Earth Water Air Fire   |
|                                                                             |
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From: z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Update to Falcon In Tractor Beam
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:20:45 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Aug28.041410.10215@leland.Stanford.EDU>, mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:
> In article <1992Aug28.012328.4841@u.washington.edu> mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey) writes:
> 
> 
>>	By the way, LONG before the Sourcebook was created, official 
>>	Star Wars literature (Star Wars Sketchbook, I think) did mention
>>	that the front claw on the Falcon IS for loading cargo.  So don't
>>	guffaw the Sourcebook too soonly!  After all, the Falcon is first
>> 	and foremost, a Correllian cargo ship!
> 
>   You're right about the reported purpose of the front claw on the Falcon,
> but mistaken as to what the earlier people were complaining about.  The
> problem is that in the RPG Sourcebook, the cargo bay is in the BACK of the
> Falcon, so the pincers are nowhere near the cargo bay in the diagram produced
> by West End Games.  They were just saying that WEG was wrong.
> 

	How is the Millenium Falcon, plastic model and Kenner toy, set up?

Brandon Cope
From: gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:07:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug27.192458.20784@news.media.mit.edu> tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte) writes:
>Ok, a slightly different question. The Blockade Runner (or whatever
>Leia's ship is that is doing a Tattoine flyby at the beginning of ANH)
>is caught by a Star Destroyer(?)'s tractor beam, right?
>
>LONG after this, R2-D2 and C3PO eject in an escape pod.
>
>Do people think that it's kinda silly for an escape pod to escape a
>tractor beam?

Yes I do think it's silly for an escape pod to escape a tractor beam.
But the difference in this scene is that tha Star Destroyer has
captured the blockade runner already.  It's docked and the Imperials
have control of it and are prowling all around it.  There's zero
chance that it can escape so why leave the tractor beam on at that
point?  You do see a scene  where a couple gunners from the SD are
taking target practice on anything trying to escape.  This scene
is different in that the Falcon supposedly fired its escape pods
while still in the tractor beam.  I'm sure that if the SD wanted the
pod that badly it would've restarted the tractor beam.

>Or am I missing something large?

You say LONG after this R2 and 3PO escape.  Really, it
wouldn't make sense to have the tractor beam going since you've got
what you wanted.  Also, on the DS when Ben goes to deactivate
the tractor beam, the odds are .000000000001 that the tractor beam
is going.  It is active in that it's ready to use at any notice.
So if the MF took off at that point, it would just take a second to
train the tractor beam and recapture the MF.



Jay
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From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:15:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu

In article <1992Aug25.224314.17135@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Sven Venema) writes:
>> 1. The death star can blow planets away
>> 2. There is a planet between the death star and the moon
>> 3. Why not blow the planet away instead of wasting time circling it?

>Well, Yavinis a very large planet (a gas giant or something).  Even the
>Death Star has its limits.  Those puny plantes like Alderaan were cake,
>but something like Yavin?  I doubt the DS could manage it.

	That's my feeling too. Yavin was probably about the size of
Jupiter or Saturn -- 60-80,000 miles in diameter, about a thousand times
the size of Alderaan. Moreover, it is not mostly solid.

	There's another point which occurred to me -- one which has been
used before in SF (notably Blish's Seedling Stars) and which, even if
it wouldn't work in Real Life, would be a serious possibility in a 
space opera universe like Star Wars:

	Gas Giants are mostly hydrogen. At the core, this hydrogen is under
MEGA pressure.

	Shoot it with enough energy, and you just might trigger full
fusion ignition; it goes from being a very large planet to being a small
temporary sun and is for a moment the universe's largest hydrogen bomb.
Such an explosion might have toasted the Death Star along with the
Rebel base.

                                 Sea Wasp
                                   /^\
                                   ;;;
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From: gmah@bnr.ca (Garry Mah)
Subject: Star Wars Trading Cards
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:49:35 GMT

I have a couple of questions about the TOPPS Star Wars/Empire/Jedi
trading cards.

  1.  How many different series are there and what are the ranges for each.
      If I remember correctly there was a blue, red, and orange Star Wars set,
      a red, blue and yellow Empire set.  What else was there?

  2.  How much do these cards sell for now?  

Please email any responses to gmah@bnr.ca

Thanks,
Garry

Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:21:59 -0400 
From: Michael Raymond Cote <mc7g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: More Movies?  
	<1992Aug29.082237.1187@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>

I read an interview with Lucas in a fairly recent issue of
Cinefantastique (the issue featuring the third Aliens movie).  The
interview basically said that there weren't going to be anymore movies. 
"Dead on the drawing board" was the phrase as I remember it.  Someone
out there must have this mag, so if you have it, post a summary or
verification to back me up.

Personally, I won't get my hopes up for '97, never mind '93.  (Anyone
else, feel free; maybe you're right and I'm just pessimistic.) 
Remember, on the large scale, Star Wars: The Worldwide Multimedia
Property has pretty much died for all except for us diehards,  and the
movie will need to draw more than diehards to the theaters to earn it's
bread and butter.    Most of the moviegoing public isn't awaiting new SW
movies as we are.  A media blitz (trailers, TV ads, factual interviews,
toys, etc.) would have to occur to whip up the necessary broad based
support, and we haven't heard so much as a whimper.  If the movie was to
be released in a year's time, what would LFL have to lose by a slight
leak to scifi mags?  Would vast multitudes of the faithful flock to find
the sets?   Major filming would be nearly finished by now, anyway.  LFL
could have free publicity.  Given they'd potentially be pestered with
inquiries, but wouldn't it be worth it in the long run from a profit
perspective? 

Absolute secrecy would mean that there's no official publicity, and what
kind of a way is that to do business, especially this late in the game
(were May '93 to be a release date)?  SW is first and foremost a
moneymaking vehicle and not a work of art (at least to the company which
invests money in it).
 
I'd like to see a new movie, too, but it doesn't look likely, especially
not for next year. (Like I said, those of you who think there will be,
keep hoping; you just might be right.)

--Michael Cote

"Oota Goota, Solo?"
From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Canon...the Official Word from Lucasfilm.
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:47:27 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <15218@umd5.umd.edu> walrus@bessel.umd.edu (Grig Larson) writes:
>But, my question is, "Why keep it a secret?"  How would you profit from a
>surprise release?

	I think they'd try to keep it a secret for the same reason they tried
to keep ROTJ a secret -- If people knew there was a new Star Wars being filmed
they'd do almost anything to get a "sneak peek," which is bad for the
cast and crew, etc.
From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Empire / RotJ scripts ?
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:08:36 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1685212D28.MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (mason hart) writes:
>Can anyone post the scripts for Empire or Jedi?  Star Wars has been
>up two or three times already, but I haven't seen the others.
> 
>-- mason

Could someone repost or e-mail the star wars script?  I haven't seen it.

Tim.
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From: mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon's claw...
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:21:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep2.212143.15233
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1SEP92184824@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu> dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.211507.21664@u.washington.edu>, mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey) writes...
>>	First of all, I am sure that the normal Correllian cruiser does
>>	not carry those missile launchers.  This is a modification, only
>>	of *many* to the Falcon.  I am pretty sure this launcher was not
>>	installed until just before the rebel attack in RotJ.
>
>Sounds completely plausible to me, but just out of curiosity, what is your 
>basis for that last sentence?
>

	There is not much basis.  It is merely a speculation of mine
	because we do not see the Falcon use this weapon until the 
	Battle of Endor.  It just seems that this could have been a
	mount put in by the rebels to give the Falcon more offensive
	capability.  ????


	_/_/_/_/   _/_/_/_/   _/_/_/   	Han:  "I knew you were going to say
	_/     _/  _/       _/     _/          that, old fool."
	_/     _/  _/       _/              
	_/_/_/_/   _/_/_/   _/            
	_/   _/    _/       _/          Ben:  "Who's more foolish, the fool
	_/    _/   _/       _/     _/          or the fool who follows him?"
	_/     _/  _/_/_/_/   _/_/_/      
	Robert E. Casey  (mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu)
From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:17:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Aug27.192458.20784@news.media.mit.edu> tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte) writes:
>Ok, a slightly different question. The Blockade Runner (or whatever
>Leia's ship is that is doing a Tattoine flyby at the beginning of ANH)
>is caught by a Star Destroyer(?)'s tractor beam, right?
>LONG after this, R2-D2 and C3PO eject in an escape pod.

	I think that at that point, the Blockade runner was docked 
with the Star Destroyer.  They had probably already shut off the tractor
beam.  Don't quote me on this as I haven't watched the original in quite
some time.
From: jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (Chuck Jordan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Dark Empire: NOT CANON!!??
Date: 30 Aug 92 08:19:08 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

>In article <92242.210533DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>YIKES. This kinda bothers me.... I know the Zahn and Dark Empire storylines
>>are different enough in plot emphasis and overall tone to seem unrelated and
>>occurring in different "realities", but I had hopes that both were official....
>>I guess it was just wishful thinking. So if Dark Empire isn't canon, then what
>>about the other stuff coming out from Dark Horse Comics later on.....the next
>>series, as well as the "Tales of the Jedi"?

Seems like it shouldn't matter that much.  It'd be nice if the story could
"officially" continue without our having to wait for the next movie, but
seeing the results, I'm glad that the stuff out now isn't official.  "Dark
Empire," in my opinion, is just loathesome (sp?).  The events are completely
unbelievable, the dialogue is completely trite, there is hardly a single
original element in the entire thing, and on top of all that the art isn't
all that great, either.  I'd be glad to forget it ever happened.  The Zahn
books, also in my opinion, are only slightly better.  (Actually, the second
book was kind of exciting in places, but I still refuse to believe in animals
that can repel the Force.  Sheesh.)

We've already SEEN stuff released that was completely refuted by the movies.
(e.g. SPLINTER OF THE MIND's EYE, the "info" cards released with the chewing
come cards that gave different ages for Luke and Leia, the Marvel comic
series that had Leia running into a Boba Fett world while looking for Han,
etc.)

Even if George Lucas called me up and urgently insisted that yes, Dark Empire
and the Zahn books are really happening, are what he had in mind all along,
and I should just sit back and enjoy it, I would selectively choose what to
accept in my version of the story and ignore the rest.  (I'm still trying
to erase the Ewoks from my memory.  It never happened, Chuck, it never
happened.)

Star Wars stuff took up too much of my adolescent years and too much
of my parents' money to let it rest in the hands of amateurs.  So, for 
"Dark Empire:"  It's all a lie!  It's a lie!  Brother Star Wars geeks, unite!

Impassioned,
Chuck

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth)
Subject: Re: canon
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:45:21 GMT

In <1992Aug30.185622.3648@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>Matthew Korth (dragon@camelot.bradley.edu) wrote:
>: *please* just enjoy _Star_Wars_ and its spinoffs without these endless
>: arguments over what actually happened?
>How will we know what happened and what to enjoy unless we establish 
>what was canon? :)

I give up!
--
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		    In thought and favor, word and deed.
		    Worlds are lost or worlds are saved
		    From those dangers dragon-braved.
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