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From: laforce@mdd.comm.mot.com (Marcel LaForce)
Subject: Re: How much for a BC fishing license?
Keywords: BC fishing license
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:08:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.175404.21486@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> racg8670@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Becca  ) writes:
>A friend and I want to wander up the inside passage in British Columbia
>this summer, and we are wondering if anyone could give us any information
>about the cost of such an adventure.  We really want to fish, but we are
>poor students and would like to know what licenses etc. cost before
>we get our hearts set on this :)
>
>Any help will be appreciated...
>
>becca
>
>racg8670@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

I just bought my licenses a couple of weeks ago:

  For BC residents they are:
	Freshwater:     $17.00 annual
	Saltwater:      $10.00 annual
	   
  For Canadian residents (non-BC):         
	Freshwater:     $19.00 annual
	Saltwater:      $10.00 annual 
	Tags:           ?

  For non-Canadian residents:         
	Freshwater:     $27.00 annual
	Freshwater:     $15.00 6 day license 
	Saltwater:      $37.45 annual
	Saltwater:      $03.75 1 day license
	Saltwater:      $07.50 2 day license
			. 
			.      
			. 
	Saltwater:      $18.73 5 day license
	Steelhead tag:  $42.00

Tags are in addition to your licenses.  I generally do not
buy the tags (I did buy a steelhead tag this year) but instead
just buy the basic license.  There is also a Sturgeon tag, I
don't know if its available to out of country residents.

I called the flyshop and got the above prices.  Don't
quote me on any of this, but it should be accurate.

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From: sasayb@caneel.unx.sas.com (Andy Barnhart)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Fisheries "Expert" Opinion
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:54:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasayb@caneel.unx.sas.com
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After the earlier post with my opinions expressed about fisheries management, one
reply suggested I leave such work to the experts. I am entering some of the text
of an article by such an expert, which was published in the March newsletter of the
Raleigh Saltwater Sportfishing Club. I am posting it as if I am replying to it.
>
> In March 1992, the following article appeared in the newsletter of the RSWSFC:
>
> GAME FISH STATUS FOR RED DRUM
> Jeff Ross, Senior Marine Biologist
> N.C. Division of Marine Fisheries
>
> I would like to express my opinion on "gamefish" status for the red drum. I have
> been an avid sport fisherman for 27 years, surf fished for red drum for the last 
> 18 years and conducted research on red drum for the last 8 years. No one is more
> concerned than I about the preservation of a healthy red drum population.
> [stuff deleted]
> Most "sport fishermen" I know would go drum fishing whether the red drum population
> was large or small.  They come to fish, not solely to catch fish. They come to get
> outdoors, drink (coffee?) with the other fishermen, tell tales and soak a bait.
> [stuff deleted]
> A recent survey ... "camraderie", not catching fish, was the most satisfying
> quality of fishing.
> [stuff deleted]
> The fact is that most "sport fishermen" will come fishing as long as the tide rises
> and falls and the wind blows onshore.

He really seems to believe that fishermen don't care if there are any fish. I do care
about catching fish, often fish alone and run into many others doing the same.

> [stuff deleted]
> In recent years commercial fishermen have been subjected to a barrage of new federal
> and state regulations. They are, as they say, "just trying to earn a living". In these
> times of eceonomic hardship/unemployment, to take away even a small portion of their
> earnings, to jeopordize even one fisherman's livelihood, to risk his losing his home
> or boat or truck to the bank, or impair his opportunity to send his child to college,
> to insure better sport fishing for those on vacation is, in my mind, morally dubious
> and incredibly selfish.

Please stop; I'm crying. His loyalties are clear.

> Proper management of fish stocks should be based on biological data. Allocation of
> fishery resources should be based on historical harvest levels.

Now I am confused. These statements seem to be at odds with each other. Use the current
data, but the practices of the past. OK...

> [stuff deleted]

In the entire article, no mention was ever made of the population size or rate of
decline. This "expert", well schooled in marine biology, is basing an opinion, which
carries a lot of weight due to his position, on social and economic factors.
But, he is the expert...

Andy
From: tomg@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Thomas J. Gilg)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:45:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Droppers, fly fishing, and the way to do it
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: alt.fishing


> Instead of using droppers that fork off the main leader with a 90 degree
> "T" intersection, .....

Can you fish barbless on the mid flies without having the trailing line
slip off or the barb area cut the trailing line?   (Jack Dennis comment
I heard awhile back)

The T method actually works quite well if the dropper length is kept below
2 inches.   Most people want to use 6 to 12 inches as a dropper - tangle
city I agree.   Keeping the dropper below 2 inches works very well, and it
is the most popular method around here.   In addition, most people use
knots that provide a true "T" dropper. The surgeons knot on the other hand,
in addition to having a better breaking strength (95%), provides a more
natural 45 degree backdropper for flies - seems to cast better and is less
prone to tight-casting-loop tangles.

Regarding chaining, Jack Dennis mentioned some multiple grasshopper
techniques.   Seems when you chain several hoppers together and then
try to twitch them, the interplay spices up the action.  He also mentioned
he could fish wide sweeps of the river at once.

Dropper techniques are great.

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: Tim Dudley
Subject: Re: Fly Line to 2lb test (beginner)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:25:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.202710.4761@cbnews.cb.att.com> mak@cbnews.cb.att.com
(mark.a.kelly) writes:
>I need help, am I missing something?
>
>I just bought a fly rod, and have never used one before.
>
>I am trying to tie my 2lb leader to my fly line.  I have been trying
>to use a blood knot.  Is this what I should be attempting, or should
>I tie heavier mono to the fly line with the blood knot, and then the
>heavy mono to the 2lb?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>Mark 
>

I think the easiest way to attach leader to fly line is with superglue.
What you do is insert a needle about 1/2 inch into the fly line, then
heat it with a match or lighter until the line cauterizes.  Take the needle
out, put some superglue on the butt end of the leader, and insert it
into the fly line.  Make sure you let it harden before you yank on it
to test it.

I've used this consistently for about four years, and never had one
let go, even on 4lb smallmouth, and small trees and bushes. It's way
easier than trying to tie the leader directly to the line.

I think that the heavier mono between the fly line and the leader is
referred to as a "shock tippet", and gives you a little more "bounce",
but I don't think you need it unless you're going for Really Big Fish
(or pike...)

Tim


Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: Re: keeping worms alive
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:00:48 GMT

trudel@aucs.acadiau.ca (Andre Trudel) writes:


>I'd like to keep a few dozen worms alive in my beer fridge
>(what else do you keep in a fridge besides worms and beer?).
>The goal is to keep them alive for an extended period of time
>so that I always have worms handy to go fishing.

>They are currently in a small plastic pail full of earth.
>What would be the best container and soil? What should
>they be fed? I seem to recall that they like coffee grounds
>and lettuce???

If you want truly conditioned nightcrawlers that feel and act like coiled
springs, use a commercial worm (moss) bedding.  Feed them a small amount of 
commercial worm food after that included with the bedding gets eaten.
Keep bedding
moist, but not satuarated.  Most of all, keep them around 50-55 degrees.
Most refriegerators are too cold.  Keep them in insulated coolers when
out fishing so they warm up SLOWLY.  A few ice cubes in the cooler will
help keep them strong and healthy.  A styrofoam cooler with adequate
air holes is probably best.  For more details, read the nightcrawler 
books available from Northwoods publishing.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: picou@convex.com (Michael Picou)
Subject: Re: Freshwater Fighting Fish
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:55:03 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I recon I can jump in with my ratings:

#1  Spillway Stripers.  They hit extremely hard and fight like a bull red.
#2  Alligator Gar.  Hard to hook, worthless for eating, but fun to fight.
#3  Bucket Mouths(Black Bass).  Challenge to locate, and acrobatic fighting.
#4  White Bass(Sand Bass).  On light tackle when they run up the creeks, fun
	  to stretch that 4 pound test.
#5  Catfish.  Slow waiting, but when ya' hook a good one it's worth the wait.

I've only hooked into one small mouth, but it was on ultra light and man was
he a challenge.  As far as best eating freshwater fish, I would have to say
Black Bass cleaned while still alive.  But since I practice catch and release
now with almost all the bass I catch, catfish or crappie.

Just my opinion,
Mike


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From: aer1@cec1.wustl.edu (Ahti Eric Rovainen)
Subject: Re: Freshwater Fighting Fish
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:53:07 GMT


My opinion of the top Freshwater Fighting Fish:

1) Smallmouth Bass - "the gamest fish"
   Kudos to the Mo. Dept. of Conservation for the 3 new Trophy
   Smallmouth Areas in Missouri streams (daily limit 1, length > 15")
   Of course, real smallmouth anglers release all the bronzebacks they
   catch.

2) Freshwater Drum (a.k.a. Sheepshead, Stone Perch)
   As strong as the smallmouth and grows a lot bigger, but doesn't leap
   or swim as quickly.  Many a fisherman has thought he had a trophy 
   smallmouth on only to find a drum at the end of the line.  Last
   weekend I caught an 18" drum and a 20" channel cat and the drum 
   fought a lot better.

3) Channel Catfish
   Very powerful and often fights harder as the battle goes on.

The above 3 species are also extremely intelligent.

Other good fighters: White Bass, Bluegill, Largemouth, Carp, Redhorse.

Worst fighter: Yellow Perch - just lets itself be reeled in.
From: Steve Ernst
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Freshwater Fighting Fish
Keywords: freshwater
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:26:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr8.162651.1920
Reply-To: sernst@mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Apr3.160756.21917@cbnews.cb.att.com> mak@cbnews.cb.att.com
(mark.a.kelly) writes:
>
>Here goes, no flames please, I just thought it would be interesting.
>

I would like to state my opinion, which by no means is absolute.  I think this
discussion is more of a preference issue and it is good to see varied opinions.
>
>For drag screaming action;
>
>1) Catfish - long powerful tails, that whip up a storm.
>2) No. Pike/Muskie - as tough to get on the hook as to keep on the hook.
>3) Trout/Salmon - jumping, drag screaming, they do it all.
>4) Hybrid, Striped, white bass - not much experience here could be #1.
>5) Smallmouth Bass - good ole "Bronzebacks" are fun.
>6) Largemouth Bass - #6 for drag screaming action, but would be #1 for
>			jumping, and degree of difficulty to land.
>7) Walleye - Pound for pound, no match for any of the above.
>
I would put Smallmouth at least above Largemouth, and at the top overall based
on my own experience.  My main fishing experience has occurred in New Hampshire
and Massachusetts, so is somewhat limited.  So, as far as fish grow in this
area, the smallmouth takes the cake (That would make an interesting lure ;).  I
admit to not having very much experience with Salmon and Hybrid/Striped/White
Bass.  I also agree with another reply that the freshwater eel is a tough
competitor.
>
>Pound for Pound Awards;
>
>1) Bluegill
>2) Hybrid/white bass
>
Again, I would like to reitierate my choices from above.  But by far, the
Smallmouth has got to be the best fighter per pound in the Northeast.  I can
remember many Smallmouth that felt up to 4 or 5 times their weight when they
fought back!  I would then place the eel and the bluegill as a moderate second
in comparison.  Again, no experience with Hybrid/White Bass.

S. Ernst
"Hunan's Anyone?"
From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: A fishing Tale
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:40:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr15.234000.23253
Organization: University of Hawaii

I saw an interesting article in the Sunday Birmingham News.  Some guy
in south Florida caught a 36 pound pirahna in a lake!  He had been
trying to catch it for 3.5 years.  It seems none of his friends had
seen it while he had seen it several times.  His friends gave him a
hard time about it, didn't believe him, etc.  This fish had pulled rods
>From his hand and bit through steel hooks, in the past.  When he
finally caught it, he asked his wife to lift it out of the water with a
big fork from their barbecue set.  She put the fork through his gills
and out his mouth and the fish snapped it's mouth shut and broke the
steel fork in two.  She finally lifted it with a knife sharpening
tool.  It was 33 inches long and had a girth of 53 inches.  He caught
it using a 12 pound line after a 37 minute fight.

The fish is a pacu, a supposedly harmless form of piranha.  Some local
fish expert thinks someone dumped it into the lake after it outgrew an
aquarium.  It isn't local to the area.  It feeds on seeds, fruit and
small fish.  Oh yes, it also ate turkey dogs from the fisherman, Trent
Boynton.  "It looked like a piranha that had been free in a grocery
store all its life," Boytin said.  "Once I caught it, I was afraid of
the son of a gun.  It looked eerie....After I caught it and knew it was
finally dead, I started really having bad feelings.  But when I found
it was a pirahna, I didn't feel real bad at all.  I was right all
along.... Now some of my neighbors can go to heck."  It says he
normally practices catch and release conservation, but this had turned
into an obsession.  "I'd come home from work at night, see it jump and
then fish for it for three or four hours.  I need glasses now, but I
didn't need them before.  I'd just stare at the water for hours and
hours hoping to see it."

--
    bill@uhunix.bitnet 
    bill@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu 
    21.19 N.LAT by 157.52 W.LONG          
    Fish on the Byte
From: templin@grayling.cs.berkeley.edu (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Droppers, fly fishing, and the way to do it
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:09:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rvuevINNnp2
Organization: UC Berkeley, University of California Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: grayling.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <104760282@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com>, tomg@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Thomas J. Gilg) writes:
|> 
|> > Instead of using droppers that fork off the main leader with a 90 degree
|> > "T" intersection, .....
|> 
|> Can you fish barbless on the mid flies without having the trailing line
|> slip off or the barb area cut the trailing line?   (Jack Dennis comment
|> I heard awhile back)

I've wondered this myself, but I've never once had this happen, Thomas. I smash the
barbs down on all my hooks with a pair of needlenosed pliers before fishing them,
too.
 
|> The T method actually works quite well if the dropper length is kept below
|> 2 inches.

I used to use the "T" method with blood knots, but I found the "chain" method
to be much quicker to rig up. I've caught plenty of fish using the "T" method,
but now "chain" almost all the time.

|> 
|> Regarding chaining, Jack Dennis mentioned some multiple grasshopper
|> techniques.   Seems when you chain several hoppers together and then
|> try to twitch them, the interplay spices up the action.  He also mentioned
|> he could fish wide sweeps of the river at once.

Now THIS sounds like fun! Thanks for the tip...

|> Dropper techniques are great.
|>

I agree wholeheartedy!

Fred

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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: 2 piece rod(s)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:46:56 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <92105.13155534MD4AK@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> 34MD4AK@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Rick LaFay) writes:
>My opinion of two piece rods is that I don't care for them. I once
>lost a nice salmon because a two piece rod broke at the junction.
>admittedly it was not an expensive rod but...

I once had a king salmon break my two piece rod.  I managed to keep the
fish on even after the rod broke.  I held onto the tip, as if it were the
entire pole.  My dad held the butt end in line with the tip and operated
the reel.  We played him like that for another half hour before he finally
broke free.  What a dissapointment, after all that.  That was the only
king we hooked the entire trip.

That was a cheap rod.  I now use four piece rods almost exclusively,
because I usually fish in the backcountry.  Good multi-piece rods don't
seem to break like cheap ones.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Re: Oregon/Washington fishing trouble??
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 23:56:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University -- Atmos Sci

In article <1992Apr8.161018.12189@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?) writes:
>Yeah, I have to agree...population growth is the root of all the
>problems. 
No, not necessarily. Lack of spawning grounds, wetlands, habitat is probably
more important. You have this and a 5-10 fish limit, and everything will be OK.
Oh, and of course, stop polluting. 
>So continue to promote environmentalism, right?  
OK, time for my soap-box. I advocate environmentalism (see above), but the
problem is these so-called "environmentalists" don't know when to quit.

Example-- Texas set a minimum limit on redfish of 12 inches. That was a good 
law. Then they raised the limit to 14 inches. I said, OK, that's reasonable.
Then they raised it to 16 inches. I said -- "wait a minute -- most redfish
caught don't get above 14 inches in the bay." THEN they raised it to 18 
inches!!!! Result - I went 5 years without catching a legal redfish!!!

Yes, I know redfish grow this large, but most of the year they are offshore
when they are this size. The bay fisherman just lost a fishery. There is the
possibility of catching a "legal" redfish in the fall when they move into
the marshes -- but wait a minute -- the marshes are gone due to development.
of course, this also means the young fish have no nurseries to grow up in
after the spawn. Therefore, what good is the 18 inch limit. It punishes
the fisherman and does not solve the problem -- lack of habitat.

Hence, extreme conservationists often do not help the problem, and can often
hurt it.

If theire objective is to stop people from fishing all together, they succeeded.
I gave up, and so did other people. Oops, loss of revenue, let's raise the
price of fishing licenses. Oh my gosh, look, now less people are fishing.
Should we raise the prices of licenses again? Maybe raise the size limit
of redfish to 20 inches?
 
Meanwhile, more condo's are built on the coast....

Pissed off and glad to be out of Texas......                                           
Pat Fitzpatrick                        (____)    /\
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From: dak@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (David Kardelis- I am the NRA)
Subject: Beginner looking for rod
Reply-To: dak@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:18:32 GMT

	Several people said I forgot to mention what kind of fishing 
I would be doing in my request for a rod. I would be doing freshwater
fishing, ocean is way to far away from the plains of Illinois. The area
has a several small lakes and streams. The last time I went fishing I 
caught a 10" bass that was the biggest a friend had seen in ages.
					dave
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From: fleck@col.hp.com ()
Subject: Re: South Platte Fishing Report
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:41:45 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs Information Technology Center


A small update for the South Platte:

Flies that have been succesful:

San Juan Worm - Red
Size: 16 or 18
Presentation:  Small weight about 5 inches above the hook to keep the fly
	       on the bottom.

Yellow Scud (shrimp)
Size: 18 or 20

and of course Old Faithful

Pheasant Tail
Size: 20 or 22

bc> which was a 24" beauty.  Greg had found the fish and had
bc> called us over.  He spooked it over to Dave and yelled,
bc> "Here he comes".  Dave flipped the fly in front of him
bc> and he nailed it immediately.

Of course he didn't spook it on purpose  :-)  and I wasn't about to wait 
around and watch  <grin>.  These fish are real fat also, this one weighed
in the 6 pound range.  Too bad we are having guests next weekend  :(

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