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From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: How do you Muslims think?
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:41:27 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq) writes:

>Conclusion:	This world is too messed up!
>			but there is hope!

>omar.farooq@att.com



And your thoughts are too messed up!
Buth there is no hope to modify it!


Bye
Adil (the Judge)
From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: the terminator part n : )
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:36:16 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <715468897@flounder.cs.duke.edu> azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:
>In article <2SEP199200193448@iago.caltech.edu> mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL) writes:
>>     Question,okay, when men die (after doing good deeds) they will 
>>     	(hopefully) get these gorgeous women-like creatures but what 
>>     	about women, what do they get in 'thereafter'? Long time back
>>     	someone mentioned they will get their husbands, in that case,
>>     	those poor husbands won't end up with hoors but with their
>>        own earthly wives, is that good or bad? (poor guys- Why marry then?) :)
>
>	   To the best of my understanding the promise is to have
>uninitiated mates for both men and women. Some interpretors have
>claimed that that mean hoors = women only. However, there are
>uninitiated males around - albiet fewer :-) - and the concept of
>"virginity" does not apply to women only. So, SCP-girlz-n-the-hood
>have something to look forward to. :-)
>
>>       Yet another theories says, 'good women' will be transformed into
>>       hoors? but still 70:1 ratio would instantly kill a guy from Caltech 
>>       who is probably used to 1:7 odds againt him ;) 
>>Asim Mughal
>
>	   I see no contradiction. Being a hoor does not debar one from
>intimacy with another hoor (of opposite gender). Strange as it may
>sound to typical males, women actually enjoy intimacy, and often more 
>thoroughly than men. So, being a hoor is not such a bummer. :-) In
>fact, I would not mind being a male hoor.... Just think of all those
>good-natured women I can hang around with - women who earned paradise.
>If I were a woman, then still I would not mind being a hoor... think
>of all those men (like dsqa - inshallah) in paradise.
>
>dsqa
>
>
>-- 
>"To have loved and lost is better than to have won.... For, the burden
>of victory has to be shouldered throughout life, and all losses rest
>easy in the insatiable abyss called grave." 
>--- D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar CS Dept Duke U  azhar@cs.duke.edu


Is it just me or heavan sounds like one big orgy?  And then good thing
is it never stops. It would be pretty painful after the first couple of
hundred thousand years, don't you think.  With the abundance of hoors, would
menage a trios and menage a quatre and menage a quinze(sp) be ok to indulge in.



Naveed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: u9066624@cc.uow.edu.au (Tippu Hassan)
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC BROTERHOOD - BOSNIA V/S SOMALIA
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 08:52:12 GMT


howdy roy

i  like your sugestion of all humans being treated the same but unless the 
nations that hold the economic/military muscle start thinking along the same
lines, it would be naive to ask moslem/developing countries not to try and 
unite the resources at their disposal for their collective good.

I also believe that the wellbeing of the developed nations lies in the 
disunity of the developing (read moslim) countries and every step is taken 
to ensure that a block of nations doesn't develop. consider the uproar 
that would be caused if moslem (even SAARC) nations tried to follow along the
lines of the european community or NATO.


								TIPPU BADSHAH
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: was@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (wasif.sattar)
Subject: Job in Islamabad as a monitor for the Voice of America
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:21:10 GMT
Keywords: job, Islamabad, VOA monitor

I just came across this article in rec.radio.shortwave. Perhaps it may be
of use to someone on s.c.p. 

Best wishes,
Wasif Sattar (was@lcuxlm.att.com)

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From: Bill.Whitacre@p916.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Whitacre)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Employment - Monitoring VOA
Date: 24 Aug 92 14:17:49 GMT

The Voice of America has plans to a new Technical Monitoring Office (TMO) in
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office as well as other TMOs in Hong Kong, Islamabad, Nairobi, and Bahrain.

If you or someone you know is interested please e-mail, write, call, FAX me for
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Briefly, we're looking for someone who has experience monitoring or in amateur
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Internet: bill.whitacre@f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Mail:     Bill Whitacre
          Chief, Frequency Management & Monitoring Division
          Voice of America
          330 Independence Ave. SW
          Room 4607
          Washington, DC  20547




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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Blasphemy [was: Islam a fascist ....]
Date: 26 Aug 1992 13:14:55 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug25.011217.2201@cco.caltech.edu> asim@heckle.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.212047.408@sol.cs.wmich.edu> sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani) writes:
>>
:: How can you define BLASPHEMY in islam ?
::
:	Probably the same way one would define an insult- a guess...
:
:Asim Mughal

The only conceptual difference between the law of blasphemy in Islam 
and for instance, libel laws in USA, is that whereas USA laws can only
be applied to "living" people, Islamic laws also cover those who are
dead.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: The Real Problem (Islam, intolerance etc.)
From: jamalin@watt.ccs.tuns.ca
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:27:58 AST

In article <la4n11INNih6@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>, hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
> In article <1992Aug27.231246.11402@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
>>
>>You Sir, If someone criticises something that doesn't
>>happen to be something he/she agrees with, what's your problem?? Unless,
>>one's intension is to hurt someone's feelings, how can he/she be blamed for
>>something.
>>
> 
> Ah! Now we have precipitated the real point of dispute!
> The major difference  is that the elitist Muslims
> "believe" Islam is just like another religion which can
> be relegated to the "personal" realm. That is, in their

What??? Irfan bhai, are you alright?? I had pointed out that
you had not commented on most of my posting and I specifically
mentioned the part I would have appreciated your comments on.
You again dodge the real questions and pick a paragraph of your
choice and ignore everything else.... and you are now telling 
me what's the point of dispute???? 

> view (very similar to those of Mustapha Kamal Pasha and co)
> a "secularist democratic" system can be overlaid "Islam"
> where "Islam" is being understood as a system of personal
> beliefs.
> 
> Dear Sir, by relegating Islam to the personal sphere
> (every one minds one's own business) you make defunct
> more than half of Islamic injunctions in the Quran.
> Note that in USA the government "does" mind what
> people do or do not. Like enforcing penalties for
> stealing, murdering and other crimes.

I already commented on this point in the other thread currently
going on in soc.culture.pakistan. The source of US laws is the
elected representatives of people. What's the source of Islamic
laws?? a possibly nonexistent God???

> 
> The difference  is that you claim that 
> Islam still remains Islam by making defunct more
> about 55% of its commands (that will be what remains
> after relegating it to the personal domain), 
> we claim that this reduced
> subset has nothing to do with Islam because it
> is the remaining 45% or so of its commands which
> in conjunction with that subset give it the power
> and the vitality that make it a dominant force.
> Take out that 55% and you have decapitated the
> major organs of the body.
> 

Yeah right!! and probably it's this 55% that tells you how to dodge
questions you don't have answers to.

Nadeem

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: the terminator part n : )
Summary: the roommates in Nebraska
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:19:40 GMT

In article <BtxyCA.DJC@acsu.buffalo.edu>, memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
> In article <1992Sep2.060354.849@sol.cs.wmich.edu> sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani) writes:
> 
> Tablighi jamaats and Malaysian "brothers and saathis" reminds me of my
> undergraduate apartment. There were about 6 housemates, some other friends who
> m were regular visitors. We had had a typical friday night at out place,
> chayay, cards, VCR and ofcourse x-rated movies. Early saturday morning,
> the tablighi jamaat shows up and the scene in my living room is a classic 
> one. People sleeping in their underwear, TV still on, some freshman stuck
> to the TV(literally) The jamaat had a patently familiar knock and being
> a fool that I am, I open the door without looking through the hole. [Naveed
> bhai remember one of your housemates, the bearded one], well he, a couple 
> of Malaysians who spoke each sentence reapeating "brother","inshallah"
> more than 5 times. My friends, still not aware that we had visitors
> sitting in the livingroom, wake up to the tableeghi session. The joker that
> I am, not to mention the head of the household, had to cater to the needs
> of our saathiz. Just pressed the on button for the VCR and the TV and watch
> the fun. Especially those who decided that preaching in a dhoti would a 
> liberating experience, were the first ones to head for the door.
> 
> 
> 
> Aaaa the good old miserable days.
> 
> 
> 
> Naveed

I remember, I once had a roomate, who was tabligi jammat and was 
very irritated by the fact that we use two much foul language in
our house. Actually, we all used foul language for  fun, like

Who the F*** put bayleaves in raita ?

Ofcourse we used urdu equivalent.

One day, the roomate said to me. Naveed you look very serious,
this foul language in our house is looked upon by Allah[swt] as very bad and
we will go all go to hell, so on. I patiently listened to the
whole thing and then I said very seriously:

 bahi, please point out the Bahn*** person, who is using
foul language, I will personally F*** him !

 I meant it as a joke, that guy left our apartment. I felt very
bad. But all my roommates were very happy, though.

The bearded one (you mentioned) was tabligi but a DAMN good 
bowler and batsmen. I once got his wicket on the very first
ball. Incredible yoker !!!

BTW, he used to watch Showtime late nigh movieswhen we were not
around. I hope he not reading this, he will kill me. He can too,
he is big enough.

regards,

-Naveed


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From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Transparent
Date: 2 Sep 1992 04:44:12 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu


>Anybody with good R-rated pakistani jokes, material ? please come
>out of the closet. 


>regards,

>-Naveed

	Well, here is an old one......

Q: What is transparent and lies in the gutter?

A: A Paki[stani] having shit beaten out of him [or her] !

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.rights.human
From: hdeshma@eos.ncsu.edu (HARSHAVARDHAN  DESHMANE)
Subject: Re: WAS NEHRU SLAPPED ?
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:41:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.214516.11044@digi.lonestar.org> msardar@digi.lonestar.org (Mohammed Tariq Sardar) writes:
>
>
>
>Hi,
>
>
>
>When Nehru tried to push his way through the corden of police, the officer on duty
>SLAPPED Nehru on the face. Dazed  by this unthinkable act Nehru said the following:
>
>
>		 RAJA NAI MERA MOOIN PAY THAPPER NAIN MARA BALKKA
>		 APNI KISMIT KOO LAAT MARI HAY
>
>		 (Maharaja has not just slapped me, but has ruin his destiny)
>
>
>  It's for this reason, soon after independence the MAHARAJA of KASHMIR was exiled
>  for life and his son was made the "MAHARAJA OF KASHMIR". Can some one confirm this
>  story.
>
>
>  							regards
>
>							Tariq Sardar


just read in a zinaglie edition:

Jinnah had given birth to a baby elephant. 

Can some one confirm
                 this 
                   story.

                                                         regards
                                                        
                                                         Harsh Deshmane
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Harshavardhan Deshmane                                 I had a signature
ECE Dept.,                                             it became an address:(
North Carolina State University.                       had@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: blue eyes shine ice
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:14:53 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <714854830@flounder.cs.duke.edu> azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:
>In article <24AUG199213552428@iago.caltech.edu> mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL) writes:
>>
>>"Blue eyes shine ice...
>>[Standard Disclaimer]
>
>	   Gimme dark eyes, black hair, and a heart of gold
>	   And, forever, my friend, I wont ask you for anymore

You mean a heart of gold by it self wou'nt cut it?

>
>Salman [just another dsqa-original] Azhar

:-) j n a.
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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: WOMEN GAVE GOLD TO BOSNIA
Date: 26 Aug 1992 14:11:46 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug26.135056.11449@digi.lonestar.org> msardar@digi.lonestar.org (Mohammed Tariq Sardar) writes:
>
>This is totally different to the position taken by the moslem goverments, not a 
>single ISLAMIC country have made a firm commitment to the BOSNIAN cause. They are 

Just to put the records straight. Foreign Minister of Bosnia visited
Pakistan the other day. Pakistan has announced a support of 
$10 million (Dawn probably one in August 9-13)

Of course, it is no where near what is needed. It should have been
more in forthcoming.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: Bharat's (India's) Ballistic Missile Program !
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:25:00 GMT

Xref: nntp-server.caltech.edu clari.news.military:7762 clari.news.gov.international:27036
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.news.military,clari.news.gov.international
Subject: India test-fires its short-range missile again
Keywords: international, military weapons, military, non-usa government,
	government
Date: 29 Aug 92 12:46:11 GMT
Location: india
ACategory: international
Slugword: india-missile
Priority: regular
Format: regular
ANPA: Wc: 308; Id: z1937; Sel: iiimw; Adate: 8-29-845aed
Codes: &imwrii., yigfrxx., tncn....


     How long Pakistan is going to keep its eyes shut towards Bharat's
     Nuclear-Capable Ballistic Missile Program? 

     This morning's news mentions Bharat(India) carrying out a second 
     test this month for short-range nuclear-capable ballistic missle,Prithvi. 
     Quotes: 

	"The Prithvi has been developed as a deterrent against Pakistan, while
the Agni has been designed to strike targets deep inside China."

     Bharat (India) was the sixth country in 1974 to denote nuclear device.
     Prithvi & Agni are nuclear capable.
     Prithvi: payload one-ton, range 150 miles, production begins 1993
     Agni   : payload over one-ton, range 1500 miles,production begins 1995
     Trishul: Ground-to-air Missile, in production.
     Akash  : An anti-tactical missile, in production.
     Nag    : An anti-tack rocket, in production.

     This is not an exhaustive list, one wonders;

     1. Why our friendly neighbor is so keen on stock piling long range
        missiles when it already has superiority of 4-7 times in military?

     2. Why everyone is blind to such an aggressive nuclear program while
        there is an uproar because a canadian Pakistani was found with a 	
        'triggering switch?' Among thousands of applications, it can possibly
        be used in a nuclear power plant.

     [One should be careful and not be found with a pen or paper either,
      it can possibly be used at some where inside a nuclear plant ;)   ]


Asim Mughal

[Standard Disclaimer]
From: syed@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Tanwir Syed-Mohammad)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:15:54 GMT
Subject: Re:  RAG .... Special Edition
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan

>From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
>Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:12:36 GMT
>Date-Received: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:34:54 GMT
>Subject: The RAG .... a special edition
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
>Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News)
>
>****************************************************************************
>		THE RAG
>****************************************************************************
>
>This is a special edition in memory of Farrukh Zafar, who has left us for
>the humidity and heat and chichoora pun of Karachi. The city of lights,
>tracer bullets, strawberry fields and rimpa.
>
>		Ramblers Diary
>
>the last few days with two parties and a cricket match in honour of the great 
>man himself.
>
>Rukhsana Merchant threw a party on friday and everyone was there. Farrukh as
>usaul was entertaining and the center of the party. The eggs were great but 
>i was really interested in the coke that farrukh heaped on me. Farrukh made 
>sure that everyone felt absolutely at home, green card or no green card, grade
>21 no grade 21. 

You forgot to mention the poem Zia Zafir wrote in honor of FZ.  How about
the biriani,shrimp curry (?),curry and the famous Mango icecream?  :)

>
>Next day we had a great cricket match, Farrukh as usaul in true Inzamam fashion
>excelled with bat and ball. A truely great innings on hios last match on 
>paki soil.
>
>Ashar Husain invited all of us( a large group) to a party on Saturday. A great 
>host and a great party, the chees was great. Real spicy cheese. 

And I was consuming chips and salsa.   :)

>
>The sad apart is we never got to see R3P0 and Silat Khan. They never showed up,
>do they exist or our they a figment of imagination of the network.
>
>So as i type this these last few words, Farrukh you were great fun............. 
Agreed, FZ is a fun guy to be friend with.  Duration of our aquaintance (?)
was very short but it was memorable.

Tanwir Syed

P.S.   Please correct all my spelling errors, since I am not in a mood to
       consult the dictionary.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Bharat's (India's) Ballistic Missile Program !
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 19:25:42 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <29AUG199211252623@iago.caltech.edu> mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL) writes:

>     How long Pakistan is going to keep its eyes shut towards Bharat's
>     Nuclear-Capable Ballistic Missile Program? 
>

>     2. Why everyone is blind to such an aggressive nuclear program while
>        there is an uproar because a canadian Pakistani was found with a 	
>        'triggering switch?' Among thousands of applications, it can possibly
>        be used in a nuclear power plant.
>

Because of many reasons. India is the "bastion" of secularism. Pakistan at 
least on paper is not. India is not a third rate power and can not be pushed
around. India is relatively self-sufficient, even if various governments tried
to enforce economic sanctions, India could still manage. India is located in
a strategic area of the world, and for a long time the US and USSR were kissing
India's butt. Also this is the major reason, if Pak were to acquire a nuclear
weapon, the catch word is .... "ISLAMIC BOMB". 


>
>Asim Mughal
>
sincerely
zafar
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: The flame died before the legend ever did
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:37:23 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


	   FZ left US of A to lead Pakistan into the electronic age.
The emotional state that leads to such events resembles that of a drop
of oil; the innocent observer merely witness to the sizzle before the
drop evaporates, but fails to experiences the slow-burning flame that
brought the  drop to the edge. Like a sufi achieving fina-fi-Allah
leaves us only with the quantum leap, and disguises the passion that
brought him to subliminal stage. Thos of us who know the legend know
it was more than a plane flight, it was a flame being extinguished.

     Salman [Jesus he knows me... and he knows I am right] Azhar

PS: Meanwhile, parts of Lousiana are still flooded. Those who fail to
look at the obvious think it was hurricane Andrew. Those who see the
obvious conclude that associated rain storms cause more damage than
the hurricane itself. Those who see beyond the obvious know that the
flooding in continental USA is a consequence of the crocodile tears
shedd by gilz-n-the-hood of SCP at the legend's departure.
-- 
"To have loved and lost is better than to have won.... For, the burden
of victory has to be shouldered throughout life, and all losses rest
easy in the insatiable abyss called grave." 
--- D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar CS Dept Duke U  azhar@cs.duke.edu
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: humm aaa gaa-aye tou garmi-e-baazar daikhna....
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:45:40 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Sep3.164552.2270@athena.mit.edu> anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM) writes:
>Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
>|> Adil, you are back. Thank you, thank you. I missed your articles. Thank
>|> you brother.

	   Adil, Ya Akhi, welcome back to the seen-kaaf-pay (which
was renamed SCP by a kafir conspiracy) while you were away. My
brother, we need  you to rejuvinate our faith, and eliminate these in
infidels from this net before it becomes gross.

>		I sure messed up Faiz in my post..........but then,
>		as a wise man said (could it have been DS[Q]A...or
>		was it FZ ?????):  baat samajh meiN aaa gaaye hai na? ;-)

	   Maulana Adil Najam aur humaiN "wise man" kahaiN! Hum to siraf
aap kay punkhay (fan) haiN.

>	ADIL [.....aaj baazar meiN paa bajolaaN chaalo.....] NAJAM

	   Salman [na hota maiN to kiya hota?] Azhar


-- 
"To have loved and lost is better than to have won.... For, the burden
of victory has to be shouldered throughout life, and all losses rest
easy in the insatiable abyss called grave." 
--- D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar CS Dept Duke U  azhar@cs.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan