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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: Educational Software/CDTV 
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 12 Dec 92 06:08:36 GMT

skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

> The action of moving
>my hand to the keypad is nearly as annoying as having to use the mouse
>because the idiot who wrote the program didn't provide page movement
>keyboard commands.  I hate the Macintosh mentality that some programmers
>assume all users have...

  What Macintosh mentality is that, Skip?  It says quite clearly
in the User Interface Guidelines chapter in Inside Macintosh Vol 5, 
that the Pg Up and Pg Down keys should be implemented by the programmer
to act in the same way as clicking the mouse in the page down or
page up area of the scroll bar.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:14:16 GMT

In <Bz84Aw.CGt@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>How long will the Amiga market have to wait for memory protection and OS
>features to make AmigaOS virus-resistant?

Marc, you are an asshole. Memory protection did never prevent any system
from having viruses.

>hot hardware and less oriented toward real computing applications.  This is
>possibly because 90% of Amiga owners are the types who have more credit than
>brains, and are continuously spending 80% of their family's after-tax incomes
>on Amiga hardware.

No, 0.00002% of all Amiga owners are types who have only credit but no brain
and are continously spending 99% of their business time on vomitting on
other people because that's the most sophisticated thing they can do.

Regards,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Call for Screenshots (was re: AW and Workbench)
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:39:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.190318.14660@usl.edu>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>It is funny, I might add that my original article, which led with complementing
>the looks of the Amiga 1200 and Amiga600 and criticized the Amiga GUI afterward
>... 95% of the followups have been about my critizism.  *1* article agreeing
>that the Amiga1200 looked good.  Go figure.

The GUI is a touchy area, as you might have guessed by now. The A1200
compliment was well taken. As always, each platform has its up and downs.
We're working on it though :).

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 12:40:38 GMT

>Oh and there are sooo many windows games.  Not!  There are some, but for the
>most part they are ms-dos.  And aga will become plentiful because of the 
>easy ports.

Windows is a different situation altogether.  DOS games run fine ona
windows machine.  There is no benefit in writing for windows.  Besides
which, windows=gui=slow(er) games.

OTOH, OS/2=Textmode=32 bit=multithreaded=FAST!  So there is actually a
benefit to porting.

As far as "easy ports."  Do you mean ports of PC software?  


>Microsoft will want to port their server over to anyone that can create
>a running mach kernal.  Like making a mach kernal run is hard on risc cpus
>but hey 3do is purely speculative for when and if it comes out.

What CPU will this 3d0 be running on?


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: D.J.Butcher@newcastle.ac.uk (Dave Butcher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why my Amiga is gone
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:11:24 GMT
Distribution: world, public
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


In article <Bz5s7I.5ns@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>My point is that when I advocate the Amiga, I'm talking about EVERYTHING about the
>>Amiga - the hardware, the OS etc.  When you say 'ah, but the PC is better because
>>UNIX is better than AmigaDOS, you're not advocating the PC at all - ANY UNIX, not
>>just the PC UNIX (or Linux or whatever) would be better than AmigaOS (a matter of
>>opinion).  When I use UNIX, i use DECstations or an SGI Iris Indigo...  Wanna
>>compare these to UNIX on a PC?
>
>I'll sell my PC, I'll give you the $2000.00 and you can pick me up a
>DECstation or SGI Iris Indigo, OK?

Hey, if your PC is as fast as a SGI Iris Indigo I might wanna buy it. :-)

Dave Butcher.
Nb.- Witty Quote goes here.

	D.Butcher@ncl.ac.uk
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From: colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Colin Stuckless)
Subject: Re: Falcon sucks!
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 19:44:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec09.175934.19636@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.025117.1788@ra.msstate.edu> ada@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Slu Aspiks) writes:
>>In article <runehy.23.723807995@dhhalden.no> runehy@dhhalden.no (RUNE HYLDMO) writes:
>>>[
>>>
>>>Amiga people write: Falcon sucks!
>>>
>>>Does it? Is it any good I mean... it better be since it costs that much, 
>>>normal mastubating equipment doesn`t cost 499, does it? But you nerds 
>>>obviously know more about it than we Atarians do. When you NERDS say that 
>>>the Falcon sucks, you just give the other Amiga-fantatics another reason to 
>>>buy it. I mean you are to DUMB and to UGLY to get the REAL THING.   
>>
>>
>>YOU STUPID!! YOUN ONE IS UGLY!!! FALCON IS BIRD-DOODOO!!!!  IS YOU SO 
>>NERD AND IS AN UGLY TOO!  HA! REAL THING VAPOIR!!!!!
>>
>>GO HOME DUMB BOY!
>>
>>WHAT SAY NOW YO DUMB FALCUNT!
>>
>>SLU ASPIKS             SLU@NU.FSY.REK.COM
>>
>
>That's telling him!
>
>(Are all Amiga users like this? Maybe somebody should call the FCC, have them
 [stuff deleted]
 
  Ha ha. Hahahahaha. Oh, my ribs. Stop it! - You're killing me. B)

Skip really outdid himself this time. 

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From: monster@mbear.apana.org.au (Martin Ozolins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
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In article <1992Dec13.063021.28547@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> >But then again we don't have to worry about the workbench too much.
> >Becuase we have the apps open their private screens.  
> >Myself I really don't really interact on the wb more than to open shells
> >and start apps.  All else works in the csh shell and private screens.
> 
> Wow, this sort of comment REALLY points out some Amiga inadequecies:

And your replies REALLY point out the possibility tha you know absolutely
nothing at all.

> 
> 1) Apps have private screens.  This shoots to hell an enforcement of
> commonality between apps.  What a wild blend of software that designs its
> own interface.  Woo woo.

Are you saying that ALL software should look he same ?
How boring.

BUt, thats typical from you. 
How can you comment on things that you do not use ?

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From: nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel)
Subject: Re: Screenshots: Results:
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:39:22 GMT

pjotr@ludd.luth.se (Peter Sj|str|m) writes:

>	BUT, the Amiga's scrollbar has one thing that I seldom see elsewhere.
>Tha Amiga scrollbars are proportionally big to what you see in the window.
>The Mac has a square box all the time, no possibility to see how big the
>file/window really is. OpenWindows on Sun has some kludge with a button
>that moves on a scale that has a black line for how much is viewable.
>I seem to remember that Windows use a non-proportional box, but I could
>be mistaken (I used to *sell* those machines once with Windows :).

OS/2, which I believe is the main thing being compared to the Workbench here,
also has proportional scroll bars.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: sjchmura@kimbark.uchicago.edu (steven joseph chmura)
Subject: Release date for A1200
Reply-To: sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:44:36 GMT

Does anyone know when these beasts will arrive?  I thought they were to
be release shortly after COMDEX.  Everyone has them except for USa.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jasonb@cs.uwa.oz.au (Jason S Birch)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore Toronto
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:47:28 GMT

In <1992Dec14.184116.13231@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:

>The datatype.libary is used to access arbitrary file formats. Each datatype
>is implemented as a shared library that knows how to read/write a specific
>information, how to display it and how to handle this datatype from within
>a program.

>The 3.0 program MultiView uses the datatype.library to display arbitrary
>files. WB 3.0 currently defines data types for ILBMs, AmigaGuide documents,
>and FTXT (not sure if the list is complete but further datatypes will follow).

I was just wondering - would it be possible for something like a word
processor to use datatypes? People often complain about how Amiga word
processors don't support Word or Word Perfect documents. Would it be
possible to make supporting them as simple as adding their datatypes to
your system? If it were possible, and if it didn't violate any
copyrights, I doubt it would take long for a whole range of datatypes to
be placed in the public domain... 

>Michael van Elst
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From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 13 Dec 92 14:00:08 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

papresco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:

[Stuff Deleted]

>Times change: check out Wolfenstien.  There is nothing primitive about
>it.

Except the gameplay perhaps?

	Mark
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.amiga.misc,rec.games.chess
From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Subject: UChess Version 2
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:24:01 PST

I uploaded an update to UChess101.lha to hubcap.clemson.edu in
/pub/amiga/incoming/games, it is called
UChess2.lha.  You need UChess101.lha to use it.  Basically it
uses a wider search algorithm, at the expense of depth, but in
my tests UChess version 2.0 beat UChess version 1.01 10 out of 10
times! 
On paper I would guess UChess 1.01 to be stronger, but having watch
them play each other it seems clear UChess version 2.0 is better.

The full UChess200.lha archive which has version 2.0 and all
support files can be found at 
valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu under
/pub/chess/uploads/Amiga

Uchess requires an Amiga with a 68020 or better processor, v2.04 KS or
later, and 4M or more of FAST RAM.  It supports AGA 640X480X256 colors
on AGA machines with a 31Khz monitor.

-Roger
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From: nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel)
Subject: Re: IBM PC Demise?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:13:33 GMT

papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:


>Except that the PowerPC is a RISC CPU that will run Unix, System 7 and
>DOS at PC prices.  It is marketed by two companies that UNDERSTAND
>marketing.  It has huge market hype two years before release?

understand marketing? Isn't IBM one of the two companies?


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 18:43:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.165706.145@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
 > In article <1992Dec13.061400.28016@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu
 > (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

 > I'll agree with this one. We need more X and less 1.3.

Agreed!

 > >The sizing button on the top right, while I not understand them right off
 > >from just look at them (which I should have done, BTW) looked too big.
 > 
 > The gadgets in the top right aren't actually used for sizing, so I'm not
 > sure what you mean by this.

Umm, zoom gadget?  Anyway, they attempt to show what they do...  Arrow up means
maximize??!  Gimme a break!  (Windoze, for those fortunate enough not to have seen
it...).

 > >Gosh, Amigans bash Windows for BIG BLOCKY buttons?! Sheesh!
 > 
 > The only time I recall anyone referring to Windows this way was Ian. I'm sure
 > most of us would prefer to see more highlighting and pen colours as well.
 > Until recently however, this wasn't available.

Is in 3.0, tho...  The prefs let you change highlighting (I think...  I've only 
played with an A4000 ONCE...)

 > >There doesn't seem to be any commonality among windows.  In Windows, there
 > >is always the command-button thingee in the top left, and the super-inuitive
 > >max/min buttons on the top right.  The scrollbars in Windows look more
 > >professional, IMO.

Intuitive?  Hmm...

 > You've touch on the most important element: commonality. It isn't the
 > underlying GUI that's the problem, but it's use. We have this debate amongst
 > ourselves all the time. Thankfully, with RTG and layout sensitivity,
 > standardization is inevitable.

Of course, customization is good too...  I mean, who wants to look at the SAME
BORING windows, day out & day in...  I'm bored with windows, and I only ever play
that really cool minefield game (and that in the shop...)

 > >And the Workbench is suppose to be SO SOO GREAT!?  Ha!
 > 
 > Functionality wise, I'd say yes. Aesthetically, we're still at the infantile
 > stage. Don't forget, when 2.0 was released, it predated Windows. Since then,
 > user perceptions have changed dramatically. I personally find the Mac GUI
 > ugly as well, but find NeXTStep to be ideal with a limited palette.

MAC?  Eeeeeuurgh!  It's EXACTLY like the ST desktop...  (Which is, of course, why
DRI were sued by Apple for GEM...)  As for NeXT...  I've seen ONE.  ONCE.  So I'm
not going to say anything about it.  (How many times had ya seen the Workbench,
Dan?  Aaaaah...)

Anyway, Dan, thank you for this extremely enlightening and interesting thread...
That's the spirit of advocacy! ;)

-Eyvind

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From: cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: World of Commodore Toronto
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:47:06 GMT
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bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell) writes:
: On the other hand, I have no need for VM. I have plenty of SIMM sockets, and
: I know how to use them. ;-)
: 
: Barry.

Hmmmm.. I know how to use them too! But my bank manager unfortunately
won't let me. ;-)

Vlod
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore Toronto
Organization: City University, London
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 11:57:01 GMT

jasonb@cs.uwa.oz.au (Jason S Birch) writes:
>People often complain about how Amiga word
>processors don't support Word or Word Perfect documents. Would it be
>possible to make supporting them as simple as adding their datatypes to
>your system?

Eh? Wordworth2 supports Word and WordPerfect formats.

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From: cg18ffl@icogsci1.ucsd.edu (Spumoni...)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 19 Dec 92 07:10:21 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Dec18.043354.20308@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>#4 You Amigans cannot run MSDOS at all, and threfore cannot run
>such incredible games such as Ultima Underworld and Falcon 3.0.  So there.

	Partially false logic. Any Amiga can run a simple software MS-DOS
emulator and run a few programs. The second part of your statement holds true
in this case, though. You wouldn't want to run UU on a CGA XT with a Norton
speed rating of about .2, would you?
	On the other hand, dweebs with money to burn could buy a 486
bridgeboard/VGA card/HD and drop it into their 3000 or 2000 and run OS/2 if
they were so inclined. i say just buy a 486 BOX. They are cheaper, with the
only drawback they take up more desk space. (maybe a tower...?) 
	The way my 2000 sits on my desk I could stuff a PC Tower configuration
right next to it. I know this because I've done it before. My friend lent me
his 386/40 because his monitor went foom. Great, I said. What am I gonna go
with this thing, I asked him. His reply: Play Wolfenstein 3D. I did, for a
long time until I got sick of it. Then I shut it off and never used it again.
I might have messed with windows, but he was running MSDOS only. See why I
shut it off now? Your computing life must be 'more funner' than his, I bet.
	Heh, this reminds me of something funny I heard from my friend a short
while ago. It seems the lab where he works had procured a 486/50 setup for
analysis. Among the Irises and Mac Quadras, it was the only fast PC in there.
He was telling me how the lab guys were stunned, absolutely STUNNED at how
fast the 'dir' command was under MSDOS. "They just stood around the computer,"
he had told me, "and typed 'DIR' at it and just COULD NOT BELIEVE how fast it
read and scrolled that directory." I had to chuckle at this one.

-------------------------

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:32:41 GMT+2
Subject: The most important man in the universe (was: Re: Future Amiga chipset)
From: harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri P Pesonen)
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In article ??? barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
> In article <1ggvp7INNank@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
> >Calling someone brainless and supporting it with conjecture isn't
> >exactly good form, Marc.  I think you owe him an apology.  Then again,
> >I think you still owe the net an apology for your whole "CDTV is Dead"
> >fiasco.  The net will probably never see either.
> 
>    Commodore has never proven to me, to my satisfaction, that the CDTV is
> still alive.

The Most Important Man In The Universe wants a prove from Commodore!

I am quite sure that Commodore is eagerly sending You the prove.  The fact
that they are still selling CDTV's and that they have never told that CDTV
is dead doesn't mean anything.  Or the fact that Eggebrecht (VP of
Engineering, good enough?) has told many times, that:

- AGA will be put into all models of the Amiga, including the CDTV.  Also CDTV
  technology will be brought to the entire Amiga line.

- Full motion video support is well on its way.  The feature is here now, but
  the development systems for this technology is not.

- Prime goal with the CDTV is to cost reduce it and then enhance it.

It is unbelievable that such a Great Person like You have to say it aloud
in the net that Commodore has not contacted You in this matter.  Shame on,
Commodore!

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Ezra Story)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Originator: eas3714@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
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In article <BzFLHs.1pw@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, Paul Prescod writes:

> >Marc, you are an asshole. Memory protection did never prevent any system
> >from having viruses.
>
> False.  If the section of the OS which writes to the disk is protected
> and there is no other way to write except through the OS, writing a
> virus becomes more difficult (not impossible, just difficult)

Then it isn't "False."... is it?  You can't have it both ways. Difficult does
not mean impossible.  What if I just TURN OFF hardware memory protection?
It's not hard to do in many of the memory protected personal computer systems
that are out there.


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