From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: Here's why I love this guy...
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:45:07 GMT

mpf1@ra.msstate.edu (Morris P. Fields) writes:
>mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Elliott Mitchell) writes:
>>For example, Tuesday I caught just a snippet of his act wherein he 
>>repeated his oft-spoken belief that people should not cluster in groups 
>>to demand that rights (his words, mine would be 'equality of rights') be 
>>accorded those groups.  thEwIndBag's contention is that people should 
>>remain as individuals and succeed or fail through individual efforts.

>Sounds as though you would have everthing given to you rather
>than work for what you get.

    Gee, I dunno, Morris. I didn't see anything in Elliott's paragraph that 
made me think he was asking for a handout. I caught the segment that he's 
referring to and I found it a little ludicrous myself. It seemed that even 
Rush felt that way from the way he disclaimed his statement after the very 
next break. I would say that banding together as a close-knit group has 
been crucial to the long term survival of the Jewish people, and Rush didn't 
seem to have that much problem with *their* solidarity, whereas he seems to 
have nothing but contempt for efforts to create a similar solidarity among 
blacks, gays, or women.

>>This is exactly what one would expect from a white male, someone who has 
>>to have described to him what it's like to be discriminated against *as 
>>a group,* else he'd never have a clue.

>I am a white male that  has spent a good portion of his life
>trying to fight ignorance and hate and to live with my fellow man
>but sometimes it is very diffacult to do when they wont listen.
>I am not rich; I am not affluent; I am not an oppressor to anyone
>and I do not like being called the scourge of society because some-
>things that have been done in the past by people of my skin color & gender.

    Good point. I have to agree with Morris on this one, although I would 
point out that Elliott didn't call white males the "scourge of society"
(although from my experience with similar arguments I can see how it might 
be inferred).

>Stop teaching divisiveness and vicitmization and hate but that
>everyone is different but must be treated equally.

    I don't believe that it is divisive or hateful to encourage people 
to band together for their own strength. As far as teaching victimization 
is concerned, I'd say that there's very little that Elliott or I could do 
that would add to the already existing lessons taught by the disparate 
mortality rates suffered by young black men or the disparate rate at which 
blacks are executed. You don't have to be a rocket scientists to notice 
the difference between predominently black ghettos and predominently white 
suburbs.

>Elliot, start trying to work at tearing down the walls not rebuild them.

    Yeah, through the non-divisive message of Rush Limbaugh, no doubt?

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Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
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