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From: jmw1388@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Jamesa Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Live! at the Star-Club
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:30:18 GMT
Reply-To: jmw1388@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

Just to throw my $.02, I have a 2 LP version from 1977 which is on either
Lingasong (jacket) or Double H Licensing (label) [although both agree on
the serial number LS-2-7001, presumably indicating Lingasong]
Manufactured by ERH Sales Corp.

The package includes 26 songs (I think I remember seeing a different version
with some of these songs deleted and some others added).

Although the recording is pretty shoddy, (the liner notes mention converting
the original tapes to 16-tracks and "improving their sound quality") the
performances are IMHO not-too-bad. (It really sounds like they're enjoying
themselves, anyway ...)

"Be-Bop-A-Lula and Hallelujah I Love Her So are sung by the waiter, Horst
Fascher."  I think this is almost worth the price of admission... (*I* find
it really amusing that they brought this guy up to sing. Not just one, but
*two* songs. Of course, I don't know if that was their idea or his, but I
still get a giggle out of the idea of this guy just popping up on stage,
in between waiting on tables, to sing with the Beatles!! But that's just
me ...)

Truth to tell, I haven't listened to the LP in a while.  I may revise some
of the above opinions after hearing it anew. <Caveat pro Bono> <???>

					James Willer
{The opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all.}
From: pwf2@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Joe Ballantyne)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:18:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Hey Jude - probably not available in CD format...
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles

  There's an extra verse to "While My Guitar....", in which George sings
something like "I look through the weeds at the play you are staging.....while 
I'm sitting here doing  nothing but aging".  It seems to me he's commenting on
his dissatisfaction with the group, and how it had turned into a situation
where he felt he was losing control and just being used as a studio musician.

Huh?!!  Sounds like a pretty liberal interpretation, unless you were there.
Yeaaa!!!!!Rightttttt!!!!
From: bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Is your "Let It Be" counterfeit?
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:52:26 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Aug12.145842.20902@news.columbia.edu> brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
>
>The controversy is over the album "Get Back", long alleged to have
>been distributed to DJs and then pulled back.  The story sometimes
>refers to a date around the time of the single, or else to early 1970.
>Doug Sulpy, late of rmb, has convinced me no such pressing was made,
>and that only bootleg tapes got out, and has tracked the "Kum Back"
>version (Glyn John's spring 1969 mixes) to a station in Buffalo that
>played it on the air.

It was fall '69 (September, I think...I have this info at home).  The
Boston station WBCN also played the leaked tape.  They were playing their
advance copy of Abbey Road at the same time, and the DJ kept going on about
how the Beatles seem to be coming out with albums daily.  A friend
with incredible foresight taped this back in '69 and generously let me
make a dub.

You get the feeling when listening to it that they were playing an album
(or acetate) because they play "side 1" and "side 2" at different times.
This wouldn't be a natural break on a single reel of tape.

Bruce


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From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles novelty list: rmb help wanted
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:08:33 GMT
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Aug15.233558.1@gumby.mgi.com> thompson@gumby.mgi.com writes:
>A while back, I posted a request for novelty songs about the Beatles. At that
>time, I only got one response, so I dropped it. Since then I've tried it over
>at rec.music.dementia and have compiled a fairly large list. I'll be posting
>this as "Beatles novelty list (rough)".

It's amusing where you had to go to get answers.

Some of us here know this has been done before, although neither
source I can think of us up to date.  See "All Together Now", a
Beatles Discography compiled around 1975 by Castleman and Podrazik, 
for a list of the main ones; this is possibly still in print, since I
keep seeing copies of it around in the stores I go to.  Also see
"You Can't Do That" from Pierian Press, around 1980, which is a lengthy
discography of Beatles bootlegs and novelty items.  

Your net seems cast even wider than the preceding, if you want just
tunes in the style of the Beatles.  A large proportion of rock records
made in 1965-66 are in what will seem to us now an amusingly slavish
Beatles style.

I would be amused to hear an hour or two of this stuff on radio, but
perhaps you need to be a rec.music.dementia sort of person to really
"appreciate" it  :-)

...except the Rutles, which is such a deeply researched and multifaceted
parody that it transcends the genre.

--Joe Brennan
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: hymowitz@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!)
Subject: you say it's your birthday.
Reply-To: hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!)
Organization: Creative Sensualities dept, Jacquie's House of Underwear
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 12:03:36 GMT

requesting help.

a book i have, entitled _on_this_day_in_rock_n_roll_, aka _the_pages_
_of_rock_history_, which i received free with maxell tapes and not
quite worth the price, lists julian lennon as having two birthdates-
5 april 1963 and 8 april 1963.

i would guess that one or both is wrong.  my interest is compounded by
the fact that one of these dates is also *my* birthday, and i can think
of worse people to celebrate with.

can someone advise me of the true date?  thanx in advance.

saki for president.  convention to be held under jacquie's warehouse in
baltimore.  send donations.

--hymie
hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu                                         hymie@jhuvms.bitnet
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From: gdridle@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Guy D. Ridley)
Subject: Re: Live! at the Star-Club
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:30:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.173018.388@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, jmw1388@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Jamesa Willer) writes:
> 
> "Be-Bop-A-Lula and Hallelujah I Love Her So are sung by the waiter, Horst
> Fascher."  
> 

Yet another fifth beatle!  I haven't seen him in previous lists.
When is his book coming out?
 
BTW, I see billboards around here for Ringo at Las Vegas.  Anyone remember
Lennon's quote about retiring so his career wouldn't wind down to the point
where he'd be playing Vegas?  I too find it a bit disturbing to see the
superstars of my youth playing Vegas.
 
 
-- Guy Ridley
"who on earth do you think you are?"
From: tmenner@sei.cmu.edu (Thomas Menner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: "God" from JL/POB
Keywords: lennon,god
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:13:25 GMT
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

Hey, does anyone happen to have the lyrics for "God" from the JOHN
LENNO/PLASTIC ONO BAND album, or at least their approximation of them?
In particular I'm interested in the litany of things Lennon goes
through that he claims not to believe in, as some of them are hard to
make out.  Here's *my* approximation:

God is a constant by which we measure our pain
I'll say it again
God is a constant by which we measure our pain
I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-Ching
I don't believe The Bible
I don't believe in tarots
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in mantra
I don't believe in ghita
I don't believe in yoga
I don't believe in kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Beatles --
I just believe in me
Yoko and me -- that's reality
The dream is over -- what can I say?
The dream is over -- yesterday
I was the dream-weaver but now I'm reborn
I was the walrus but now I'm John
And so dear friends you'll just have to carry on --
The dream is over.


Tom Menner    	   	     	  I    When you're swimming in the creek
Software Engineering Institute	  I    And an eel bites your cheek,
Carnegie Mellon University   	  I    That's a moray!
Pittsburgh, PA	   	     	  I    	    - Fabulous Furry Freak Bros.
From: CGARNER@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Beatles:Live at the Star Club
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:31:52 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs


I recently saw this CD at my local record store for $11.99.  Any
comments as to performance and recording quality.  Contains some
interesting stuff: Roll Over Beethovan, Matchbox, Ask Me Why.
Since "imports" (read boots) at this store can reach $35, might this
be a less costly alternative to official Beatle albums?

Thanks
cg
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Las vegas
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 19:15:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.143038.27201@pbhya.PacBell.COM> gdridle@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Guy D. Ridley) writes:
>BTW, I see billboards around here for Ringo at Las Vegas.  Anyone remember
>Lennon's quote about retiring so his career wouldn't wind down to the point
>where he'd be playing Vegas?  I too find it a bit disturbing to see the
>superstars of my youth playing Vegas.

The saving grace for me, I suppose, is that Ringo deosn't make a
habit of playing Vegas...this is a first for any Beatle, I believe,
and is merely (thankfully!) a stop on a nationwide tour. It's not
quite as if Ritchie were Wayne Newton. :-)

Lennon's feelings about degrading self-promotion might well have
extended to his artwork being bandied about on coffee mugs and
greeting cards, but it's impossible to say. I'm not sure whether
Vegas or crass commercialization is the greater sin....:-)

--
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From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: The Beatles Live
Date: 15 Aug 92 18:25:30 GMT
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Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu's message of Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:41:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.204106.18172@math.ucla.edu> dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:

   The question is whether a song was performed as a straight run-
   through, or whether it was engineered track by track as in Abbey Road

That's one question. Another one, a more relevant one imho is: 

   ...whether the audience was
   at the other end of the radio dial or whether they were right in studio
   watching the Fabs. 

Given the difference in overall performance quality between the Beeb
recordings and almost all of the concert recordings, I think we have
to admit that it made a big difference to them as performers. On the
other hand, the difference between the Beebs and the earliest Abbey
Road recordings is relatively small. To me, this constitutes a kind of
proof that the crucial question is studio vs concert rather than
multi-track (ie Abbey Road) vs single-track (Beeb). I agree that the
Beebs constitute a much more satisfactory listening experience in
every way. But then, I've always liked studio records more than
concert records.

   I know the Boys had a long-established reputation (before their celebrated
   EMI contract) as a powerhouse live band. I know legend suggests that they
   caused riots because of their wildness. And it continues to puzzle me where
   the evidence is of their former reputation...


I'm equally puzzled. I continue to believe that the Star Club records
come closer than any others to providing this evidence. But I agree
that they're not nearly as wonderful as one might expect, given the
legend.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: philip@research.canon.oz.au (Philip Craig)
Subject: Re: "God" from JL/POB
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:32:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.171325.10688@sei.cmu.edu> tmenner@sei.cmu.edu (Thomas Menner) writes:

>I don't believe in ghita
                    ^^^^^

I always thought this was Giza; some sort of holy land.
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From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: The Beatles Live (was:Re: Beatles:Live at the Star Club)
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:46:36 GMT
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In-reply-to: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu's message of Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:51:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.175109.29790@menudo.uh.edu> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
   However (IMHO), the various quasi-legal Star Club packages do not compare
   to the various bootlegs of similar Hamburg material.  Witness the "Beatles
   vs. The Third Reich" boot, where the boys are a lot more interested, and a
   lot less drunk. 

I keep up pretty well with Beatle boots but this one is new to me.
Details anyone? If there really are better concert tapes from this
era, I'd love to hear them! And I'll happily retract my statement that
the Star Club records are the best live Beatles :) 

I should add that the extensiveness of the Star Club recordings is an
important factor as well. There may be individual live tracks from
1963 that are better than this, but the breadth of repertoire on Star
Club makes them hard to beat. 


   Listening to the "Beatles at
   the Beeb", it is quite obvious that they were capable of recreating the
   records in an (approximately) live environment.

Most of the Beeb stuff was recorded in a studio, just not EMI's
studio. I don't count these as concert recordings, even approximately.


   Far from "feebly attempting
   to recreate the wonders of their studio recording."

I stand by this description for the 1964-66 concerts. The '63 stuff is
better, but overall I'd still take Star Club over those, awful sound
notwithstanding. The Beeb recordings are fine, but they're not live.


   So, what do I think?  I say search out the original release of these tapes
   on vinyl.  (The two record set)

Yes, I agree. These are readily available used. 


   Everything is included

Well, not quite everything unless you buy both versions. But that's a
minor point.
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: "Don't believe in Gita"
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:44:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.151729.3001@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield) writes:
>In article <BtABsD.GtC@wpi.WPI.EDU>
>douglas@wpi.WPI.EDU (Douglas C White) writes:
>
>> 	John is referring to the indian hindu religious
>> book -The Bhagavad Gita-  It is considered a sacred text
>> to those of this religious path.
>
>A horrible thought just crossed my mind.  I wonder if one (or more) of
>John's many denouncements in this song offended some religious fanatics
>a la the Salman Rushdie affair, and Chapman was the resulting assassin.
> Seems far fetched, I know, but in this world I'd believe anything.  We
>all know of the reaction to his "more popular than Jesus" statement.
>

In a word, NO.  It is far more believable (although equally ludicrous) to 
believe the radicals who want to blame Lennon's murder on the FBI / CIA
"grand conspiracy."  Something I have always thought was rather interesting
though;  many fundies have objected rather vociferously to "Imagine", and
specifically the line "Imagine No Religion."   However, these same people
have not commented upon "God", and Lennon's laundry list of things that he
doesn't believe in.  The obvious implication is that one may believe anything
as an individual, but you are to be condemned if you ask someone else to
THINK about an alternate system of beliefs.

<ESC>





-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
From: clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "God" from JL/POB
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:47:44 GMT
Reply-To: clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones)
Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp
In-reply-to: philip@research.canon.oz.au (Philip Craig)

In article <Bt5LIE.3nH@research.canon.oz.au>, philip@research (Philip Craig) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.171325.10688@sei.cmu.edu> tmenner@sei.cmu.edu (Thomas Menner) writes:
>
>>I don't believe in ghita
>                    ^^^^^
>
>I always thought this was Giza; some sort of holy land.

Ooh, let's vote!

(According to the lyrics sheet included with the album, it's "gita".)
--
Chris Jones    clj@ksr.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: Beatles:Live at the Star Club
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:32:56 GMT

In article <1684277F8.CGARNER@cmsa.gmr.com> CGARNER@cmsa.gmr.com writes:

>I recently saw this CD at my local record store for $11.99.  Any
>comments as to performance and recording quality. 

Poor recording of a sloppy performance.  HOWEVER it still has great
historic interest (read: I don't play it very much).  Recorded on a
mono portable tape recorder from one microphone, on or just before Dec
31 1962.  The Beatles weren't real interested in being there any more,
having just broken the English charts, and turned in performances
below the quality of their earlier Hamburg days, or so it is said by
people who were there.  Fans of sloppy rock music, and I am one some
days, will nonetheless find this moderately enjoyable.  Paul singing
"Falling in love again" becomes one of the highlights from that point
of view!

As to price, if this is the Sony set, note that they marketed two CDs
totalling about 1 hour playing time combined, so they're selling one
CD worth for 23.98 really (11.99 x 2).

--Joe Brennan
From: thompson@gumby.mgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Beatles novelty list: rmb help wanted
Date: 16 Aug 92 04:35:58 GMT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

A while back, I posted a request for novelty songs about the Beatles. At that
time, I only got one response, so I dropped it. Since then I've tried it over
at rec.music.dementia and have compiled a fairly large list. I'll be posting
this as "Beatles novelty list (rough)".

The list is probably far from complete (it has been expanded to include songs
that mention the Beatles, parody album covers, outrageous covers of Beatles
songs, deliberately Beatlesque songs etc.), and probably contains some errors.
Also, some items lack details such as artist, album, year recorded,
availability etc.

I would appreciate any additions and corrections that r.m.b folks can provide.


Thanks in advance,
MOKO
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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Is there an FTP site or Library book with Beatles Lyrics?
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:47:21 GMT
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

In article <19AUG199210202541@rosie.uh.edu> st1lv@rosie.uh.edu (McLeod, Stephen) writes:
>I use songs heavily in my D&D campaign (the players like it when they get it
>and most the time they don't) and I was wondering if there is a location 
>from which beatles or other lyrics can be FTP'd from?  As a back up, is there
>a book that I could look up in the Library?
Most sites (in particular those dedicated to Beatles information) 
steer clear of posting extensive lyrics transcriptions. It takes
a lot of time to accomplish; and it's a violation of copyright
laws. But I understand that one site (cs.uwp.edu, in file pub/music/lyrics)
has some Beatles lyrics for those who want to brave the mysteries of
FTP.

For a permanent reference, I recommend Campbell and Murphy's "Things
We Said Today" (1980; Pierian Press/Popular Culture Ink), which
contains not only a set of lyrics but a concordance to the words
used in all Beatles songs (if you were so moved, you could look
up "love" in all its permutations across the Beatles' lyrical
pantheon). This helpful tome is available from the Beatlefest
people (1-800-BEATLES).

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From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Beatles novelty list (rough) *LONG*
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 08:50:01 GMT

"Lies" by the Knickerbockers....sounds VERY Beatle'esque, except for a weak guitar solo in the
middle eight.  Compleat with Paul-like Wo-ooo's, and 'yeah, baby's.


--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
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From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles:Live at the Star Club
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:52:29
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu's message of Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:32:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.143256.21938@news.columbia.edu> brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
   Poor recording of a sloppy performance.  


Poorly recorded, definitely; sloppy, maybe; the BEST live Beatles
recording, unquestionably. The later concert recordings, on which they
feebly attempt to recreate the wonders of their studio recordings, are
pitiful compared to this. The Beatles first made their mark as a
performing band, not a recording band, and the Star Club sets seem to
be the only tapes in existence that might explain that aspect of their
appeal. And it really isn't as sloppy as all that...




Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: gpd@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (gabriel.p.deiudicibus)
Subject: Lennon book
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:27:25 GMT


Does anyone on the net know where I can get a copy of John Lennons
book "In His Own wright".  Not looking for an original copy.
Gabe 908-949-3929 honet5!gpd2
From: denker@acpub.duke.edu (Patrick Denker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: ISO Renaldo & Clara
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:06:07 GMT

I recently posted a request for help in finding a copy
of Renaldo & Clara.  To find a copy commercially
phayes@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM suggests looking in the back of Goldmine
magazine, a rag for record collectors.  Advertisements there have it
running about 40 bucks.  The price is not likely to come down unless R&C
is officially released (far from a certainty).  Of course, the best
thing to do is to find a generous benefactor who will let you copy
her/his copy.  Thanks for the help,
Scott
denker@acpub.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan