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From: nichols@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Pat Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Canadian Taxes-Refund
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:44:03 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <ataylor.711909625@uclagsm> ataylor@agsm.ucla.edu (Al Taylor) writes:

>I remember a discussion concerning how to get refunded for taxes
>payed while on vacation in Canada. Could someone tell me how I
>would go about doing this or a t least point me in the right direction.

I have to admit, I am jealous of visitors to our fair country.  At a
total of 14% here in Manitoba, our extra taxes make a sizable dent in
your wallet.

I just checked this out for my neice's pending visit.  I asked them
to send the application forms directly to me as the person I talked
to at Revenue Canada was not sure about their availability here in
Manitoba.

You can write to:

Revenue Canada, Customs and Excise 
Visitors Rebate Program 
Ottawa, Ontario 
Canada       K1A 1J5

Or call, toll free from anywhere in Canada 1-800-668-4748.  Outside
of Canada call (613) 991-3346.

I believe the intention is to have the application forms available
everywhere the tourists are, such as major hotels and department
stores and tourist information centres.

According to the letter I received from Revenue Canada, the following
provinces also offer rebates on their provincial taxes.

Quebec, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland, Ontario, and Manitoba.

I have the addresses and phone numbers for the provincial rebates and
would be willing to post them if anyone is interested.  I called the
Manitoba office a few minutes ago, and they said that the rebates for
Manitoba and Quebec are now handled on the same form as the Federal tax
rebate (since July 1, 1992).  The person I spoke to warned me that
original cash register receipts are required and that credit card
receipts will not work.

Hope this helps!

--
Pat Nichols                       nichols@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Database Support                  (204) 474-9933
University of Manitoba            Winnipeg, Canada
Xref: sparky rec.travel.air:3488 alt.peeves:12511
From: dre@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Please Fondle My Buttocks)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:06:27 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Organization: The San Jose Home for Perverted Hackers

eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) writes:

>In <l6c2ttINNgh0@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:



>>Seriously, though, misbehaving small children are a genuine peeve of mine,
>>on or off of airplanes, and they seem to getting more numerous all the 
>>time -- acting in a manner that would've caused my own parents to knock my
>>head off, had I behaved that way at their age.  More and more of the 
>>parents I encounter are incredibly oblivious to the disturbances created 
>>by their progeny, and I resent that.

>I think it is all these "know-it-all psychologists" who claim that correcting a
>child will do permanent emotional damage to the child. Like other theories, I
>bet in fifteen years we will discover that they were wrong and we will have
>millions of adult brats walking around with even bigger problems.

Kids these days.

Eric-baby, it was popularized by one Dr. Benjamin Spock, a very long
time ago.

We are already living with the results of his idiotic philosophy.  In
fact, you're 34 -- part of the first generation that he and his "be
your kid's best friend" philosophy fucked up.

You're also living in the People's Republic of Massachusetts -- an entire
state fucked up by socialism.  

You should be well familiar with what Dr. Spock leads to.

Spock Spock the Baby doc
See him lead a peace march down the block
And every where you look
See the kids he ruined with his book!

-- 
"If I had killed her when I had first thought about getting divorced,
 I would have been out of jail by now."
	-- A newly-divorced guy I met at a block party
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: Hidden City Fares - AA Fighting Back?
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Distribution: na
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:57:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.213947.17778@watson.ibm.com> rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin) writes:
>Well, this is on a slightly different topic, but I was hanging around the
>gate in DFW the other night, and I noticed an interesting little message on
>one of the consoles "Hidden City - Do not prelift".  I wonder if this is to
>get around people who were having their tickets taken at the desk and then
>walking away because they only wanted to go to DFW but it was cheaper to fly
>somewhere else.  Has anyone seen this before?

Is this why they sometimes take tickets as you get on the plane, or is
that just when they are short the usual ticket-taker?

			reb
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos)
Subject: Re: Looking for an AT&T customer who wants to pickup some AIR MILES
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:48:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.141553.6758@news.acns.nwu.edu> staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers) writes:
>How many miles do you get per dollar paid to AT&T with this program?  I cannot
>imagine that they are doing 5 miles per $1, or even 1 mile per $1.  Anybody
>know?  Previous postings stated that the Air Miles operators dont have
>a clue about the program specifics.

I don;t have the literature in from of me, but I believe you get 50 miles
for joining one of their Reach Out America programs, and then 10 miles each
month you stay with the program, regardless of how much you spend.

So, yes, if you spend just $10 a month with ROA, you are getting 1 mile per $1.

Paulo Santos
pas@cc.gatech.edu
From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Keywords: flying fear boeing 767 two 2 engine reliable crew life insurance
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:00:59 GMT
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx

>[I believe I have untangled the multi-level attributions here, but
> if I'm attributing the following quote to the wrong person, I apologise.]
>
>In article <CINDY.92Jul24155658@solan10.solan.unit.no>,
>cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>>Can anyone help me. I am a fearful flyer and just discovered I am flying to
>>Barcelona on Friday on a 767 which has only two engines. I didn't realize it
>>is smaller than the 747 either. Isn't it unsafe to fly only two engines
>>across the Atlantic. I thought these had been banned. Any help would be
>>appreciated.

Nobody "banned" anything.

Over the last ten years, the airlines and manufacturers have been extensively
testing the idea of extended-range oceanic operations on two engines.  
In general, the results have been quite satisfactory.  These flights are
not run like other flights, though:

1.  They require special aircrew certification.
2.  The aircraft/engine combination has to be specifically rated for this
    type of flight.
3.  The airplane must meet certain weight/thrust diversion-times on one
    engines.  This time varies with airplane/engine combination: some are
    only certified to 60 minutes on one engine, others to 120, and still 
    others to 180 minutes.  The latter provides virtually uninterrupted
    worldwide coverage: if the airplane has the range, it can fly the route.
4.  The airplane and systems usually have to have higher levels of redun-
    dancy, including cargo fire suppression mechanisms, additional sources
    of electrical power, extra navigation and radio equipment (including LF),
    etc.
5.  There must be suitable alternate airports.   One would not wish to
    land a 747-400 at an airport with only one fire truck, for instance,
    even if the runway were long enough.

To me, though, flying three hours on one engine is an awfully long time.
Lose that one engine, and you have NO engines.

Boeing, incidentally, wants to certify the Boeing 777 (twin) for ETOPS
operations from day one, based on the flight-test program and simulation
models.  Most regulatory authorities require a considerable about of
"in-use" experience before doing this; the desire is even more questionable
due to the fact that the airplane will be using a new engine.


Lastly, note that the "oceanic" problem is just one set of a wider 
range of problems, sometimes called "EROPS" (extended-range operations).
Flying across the Asian steppes can be pretty lonely, too, with fewer 
alternatives for diversion than an Atlantic hop.  The "broader picture"
approach doesn't discriminate against twins.




---
Robert Dorsett
rdd@cactus.org
...cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!rdd
From: geek@media.mit.edu (Chris Schmandt)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?   AND   Little Planes
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:26:46 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <1992Jul28.222520.20721@cc.gatech.edu> pas@decatur.cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos) writes:
>OK, let me combine two current topics and raise a question.
>
>How about taking infants on "dinky little planes".  We have tickets for a trip
>to Portland, ME, with our two-month old daughter, and the flights
>Boston-Portland and back are on "Express" planes (Dornier 228, if memory
>serves me).

At last a reasonable posting on this thread.  It's pretty tiresome seeing
all these grown up travel-savvy fliers complaining about kids on planes!
I guess its because air travel really is pretty unpleasant and someone
else's kids are such an easy target.  I've flown a lot with my now 6
year old since she was 3 months because (gasp) I LIKE TO TRAVEL WITH
HER and we even try to fly FIRST CLASS (gasp gasp) and you know what --
most folks, both crew and passengers -- get along with us just fine,
and us with them!

Anyway, I'm flying to Philly on Saturday with my daughter and we
actually chose one of those dinky planes BEX flies vs. the 727(?)
with the same departures on USAir.  I will be certain to give my
kid her 1/8th dramamine, as they are a bit more bouncy, esp. on the
landing, but I'd give her that anyway (not an option with a 2 month
old, keep the barf bag handy!).  The plane is somewhat noisy, but
the 1 by 2 seating is nice for two of us, and the passenger to flight
attendant ratio much better.  Instead of "what beverage do you prefer --
here chug it I have to take the cup 'cause we're landing" they have
time to give you all you want to drink and take from the snack
tray (my god, a *choice* of junk food).  I'm not sure about
this, but the pressure differential on landing seems somewhat less
severe on the small plane, though I'm pretty sure they are flying
high enough to pressurize.

Oh, and boarding/unloading is so much faster from a small plane!

chris
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Info on airlines.
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:40:44 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1992Jul28.214459.23333@leland.Stanford.EDU> rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:
<In article <131512@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
<>UTA -- French Airline, now owned by its longtime competitor, Air France --
<>       flies to Paris and Papeete, Tahiti
<
<Not to mention Africa, bits of Asia and the Far East, New Caledonia, 
<New Zealand, Australia and Tokyo (route to Noumea, New Caledonia).  I flew
<them once and thought they were quite good.

The original poster asked where these airlines fly from SFO or Oakland.
From San Francisco UTA flies only to Paris and Papeete.  Of course, I 
know the airline flies other places as well!

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: TWA
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 23:12:00 GMT

In article <pal.711970178@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl) writes:
>
>SAS already owns a big deal of NW. So BA possibly can't buy parts
>of NW.
>

No, that is KLM.  SAS owned a large chunk of Continental, which of course
is now worth zip.

RNA
From: bresler@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Leo Bresler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Aero Flot Travel
Summary: Couple More words about AeroFlot
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:39:09 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

Since this discussions goes on, I'd like to add couple more words.
I was flying on AeroFlot since 1966, mainly within former Soviet Union. I've
never noticed I-st, or business class on domestic flights (may be it will
change now), but on international flights everything seems to be in place. 

I can not compare it to PanAm, since I did not have a chance to fly PanAm, but
one of the flihgts on AirFrance was no better, may be worse than AeroFlot.
People who experinced Tower Air, say what it worse than AeroFlot.

Out of US airlines,IMHO, Continental is very close to AeroFlot by service.
					
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David Simmons)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:13:55 GMT


In article <CINDY.92Jul24155658@solan10.solan.unit.no>, cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
|> >Can anyone help me. I am a fearful flyer and just discovered I am
|> flying to
|> >Barcelona on Friday on a 767 which has only two engines. I didn't
|> realize it is
|> >smaller than the 747 either. Isn't it unsafe to fly only two engines
|> across the
|> >Atlantic. I thought these had been banned. Any help would be appreciated.
|> 
|> I've flown on 767s across the Atlantic several times, and last time
|> i checked i was still here 8-)
|> 
|> Seriously though....
|> 
|> The crew, particularly the pilots, know a lot more about planes than 
|> you and i do.  If 767s were unsafe, how would they ever convince
|> anyone to fly them?
|> 
Easy.  MONEY.  It is remarkable what people will do for even a relatively
small stack of that ugly green paper ;-).

-- 

David G. Simmons		"There's no problem so awful that you can't
davids@lanl.gov			 add some guilt to it and make it even worse!"
						-Calvin
If I said it, LANL didn't...

-- 

David G. Simmons		"There's no problem so awful that you can't
davids@lanl.gov			 add some guilt to it and make it even worse!"
						-Calvin
From: pearl@sw.stratus.com (Dan Pearl)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: I want to be bumped
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:46:06 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <barrett.712247284@cc.gatech.edu>, barrett@cloudgen1.gatech.edu (James Barrett) writes:
> I'm travelling from Atlanta->Phoenix over Labor Day.  My arrival time
> can be flexible.  My question is, I don't mind being bumped so that
> I can get a free ticket for later, so how do I go about increasing
> my odds of being able to volunteer?

Sorry.  Reply bounced.

Three tactics:

1) Arrive early.  Ask to be placed on the "volunteer to be bumped" list.
   You'll receive the minimum compensation package.

2) Arrive late-ish, but not too late.  Don't get an advance boarding pass.
   When you arrive, the plane will already be full.  You will get
   a reasonable compensation package.

3) Arrive on time and get a seat assignment.  Wait 'till they ask for
   volunteers, and then step forward.  They might raise the ante if
   not enough volunteers step forward.  Works only with very overbooked
   flights.

Check the travel section at your bookstore for the Air-Travellers Guerilla
Handbook (or some such).

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Pearl  **  Stratus Computer, Inc.  **  pearl@spectacle.sw.stratus.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: A dirty mail I received
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:24:09 GMT

ljing@leland.Stanford.EDU (jing li) wrote: 
->>From chranasinghe@ucdavis.edu Mon Jul 27 16:32:04 1992
->>Return-Path: <chranasinghe@ucdavis.edu>
->>Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 13:00:18 -0700
->>Message-Id: <9207272000.AA28040@othello.ucdavis.edu>
->>To: ljing@leland.stanford.edu
->>Subject: Amex Coupons
->>Status: R
->
->
->>You chinease people are so greedy for money
->>that you will even sell your own mother to get some money.
->>Man this country was built on good christian values
->>and dont come here to polute the country.
->>get the fuck back to your country and do all the wheeling 
->>and dealing there.
->
->
->Chula H Ranasinghe:
->
->	Fuck you for the above mail.
->
->	I like to give the coupons free.  But I asked $10 because I want to
->give them to whom really want.  $10 is a measure of how someone does want.
->In my plan, I'll buy the tickets with boarding pass for whom wants the tickets.
->
->	It is YOU, Chula H Ranasinghe, that are poluting the country as
->well as good Christian values.
->
->	Fuck you again.

once more ... for good luck?

8-]

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: TWA
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 05:04:01 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>JFK-CDG TWA flies L-1011, 747, and 767 aircraft.  Call 1-800-221-2000
>with the flight number and day, and the agent will tell you for sure.

I've watched for a good while, hoping for a clue, but still haven't figured
out why some people care what sort of aircraft is used, modulo the possible
-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones)
Subject: Re: AA - Citibank Visa/Mastercard
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:05:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.142105.18663@athena.mit.edu> cheeky@athena.mit.edu (Cheekiang Lim) writes:
>
>Heard a posting about the above a few days ago. Am pretty interested in getting
>the card as it is suppose to combine the advantages of Citibank as well as earn
>FF miles on AA. The only catch is the $50 annual fee but a free companion ticket
>goes with application before August something.
>
This has been discussed before, but since I'm such a huge fan of the 
program:

I think it's a *great* deal.  If it takes 20K miles for a free round-trip
ticket, and we value that ticket at $400, then the value of a single FF mile
is 400/20000 = $.02 (just my two cents worth :-).  SO, for every purchase
you make with your Citibank AA Visa, you're getting a 2% discount.  There is
an overhead constant ($50), so you need to charge at least $2500 before you
break even (each year).  Students will have difficulty doing that, middle
aged DINK's like myself do it in the first quarter.  

I've managed to run up over 40K miles in the past year - there is a 
50K mile/year limit - my wife and I are about to get one for her in her name
so we can exceed that if we have the financial bandwidth.

Hints:

1. If you pay credit card interest, don't do this.  Their rates are absurdly
   high.  On the other hand, if you pay credit card interest, you're not
   very bright.  There are a million ways to get a consumer loan with far
   lower interest (talk to your local credit union), and you might even 
   think about changing your spending habits { 0.5 :-) }

2. Use your AA Visa for *everything*.  All of our local grocery stores 
   take Visa now, you can pay up to 2% more for gas and still come out ahead
   if it allows you to use your Visa.  Many colleges and night schools 
   take it for tuition.  When you go out to dinner with your friends, collect
   the money from them for the check and pay it with your Visa.  Etc. Etc.o

Regards, 
 Lee
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: Revive the Lokheed 1649 Starliner?
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:27:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.121100.16635@pbs.org> pstinson@pbs.org writes:
>If a new Starliner (I wouldn't want to ride a 40-year-old relic) could be made
>available, I would ride it.  I believe maintenance costs would be less than for

What about the 30 year old *jet* relics that are flying  around?  Next
time you get  on  an airplane  look  over the  door at  the aircraft's
airworthiness certificate.  You may be surprised at what you see.

							re
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Aero Flot Travel
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:08:36 GMT

kells@iis.ethz.ch (Kevin Kells) wrote: 
->2. Seating was first-come, first-served even though I had a seat assignment.
->There was only one "class" on all the flights (relic of the communist era?). 

i dunno ... i remember being shocked some years ago when passing by
the aeroflot office in nyc ... i ducked in and picked up some
brochures ... noticed no CRTs on the agent desks ... the brochures
claimed that a first class (which had some gimmick name--bourgeois
class :>) was available out of new york.

->4. The barf bags were ugly military green. :-)

so how many did you pilfer?  :)

->5. The airplane interior smelled funny. I wasn't sure what the smell
->was, but I guessed at mildew.

go back to those military green barf bags again ... 

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: arc113h@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Chris Leong)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Results: Poll of Best International Air Carrier
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:45:33 +1000
Organization: Monash Uni. Accident Research Centre, Australia

In article <2A6DBF33.8338@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site) writes:
>
> In article <1992Jul21.023801.5503@polari> pacific@polari.online.com writes:
>>     The results of the poll concerning the best international air
>>carrier are in and here are the findings:
>>
>>
>>                        Singapore Airlines       3
>>                        British Airways          2
>>                        Thai                     2
>>                        Lan Chile                1
>>                        Lufthansa                1
>>                        KLM                      1
>>                        Quantas                  1
>>
>>      thanks to all 3
>>
>>
>>      ** I would definitely include Air New Zealand on the above
>>         list as the best airline in terms of ride, service, food,
>           entertainment, and on-time arrivals/departures (after
>           having flown on them many different times).  Although I
>           do agree that Singapore Airlines would run a very close
>           second place.  (Sorry I missed the original posting for
>           this poll otherwise I would have cast my vote previously!)
>           ** Kris **
> --
I second this, Kris.

Chris.