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Subject: Re: part II show
From: wallingf@nova.cs.uni.edu ( Eugene Wallingford )
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:07:20 -0500
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Organization: Department of Computer Science, Michigan State University

     Unfortunately, I was driving a moving truck during Part 2 of the
     season opener.  Is anyone who taped the show (I assume there are
     a few...) willing to arrange to send a copy to me?  I can pay for
     the tape and postage, of course, but I don't want to wait for a
     re-run until after the season.

     An e-mail response would be appreciated...


~~~~ Eugene Wallingford   ~~~~  Dept of Computer Science     ~~~~
~~~~ wallingf@cs.uni.edu  ~~~~  University of Northern Iowa  ~~~~


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~~~~ Eugene Wallingford             ~~~~   AI/KBS Laboratory         ~~~~
~~~~ wallingf@pleiades.cps.msu.edu  ~~~~   Michigan State University ~~~~
From: mpc+@pitt.edu (Mike Contento)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Jerry Interview in US
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:11:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


        Just in case it hasn't been mentioned :
        
        There is a 3 or 4 page story (interview) on Jerry in the 
        "Fall Preview" issue of US magazine.
-- 
[mike contento] More than any other time in history, mankind faces a 
[univ. of pgh.] crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. 
[mpc+@pitt.edu] The other to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom 
[             ] to choose correctly.                            - Woody Allen
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From: timm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Coffee_Junkie)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Jock
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:03:36 GMT

matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews) writes:

>I hope I'm not duplicating another posting (I haven't had time to read them all since
>returning from vacation).  While watching the season opener, I noticed that when Jerry
>was "scanned" by the hand-held metal detector at the airport, the pitch of the
>beep raised as the detector passed by Jerry's crotch.  This brief scene was also 
>included in the recap at the start of the opener part two.  If it's meant as a
>stand-alone joke, I don't get it.  Anyone else notice this?  Any explanation?

>Tom Matthews

GEESH PEOPLE!!!  Get out more!  Do you live in the 20th century?  You people
must not get a single joke on SNL...
Have you NEVER heard a certain appendage on the male body referred to as
a type of metal???  God...one wonders what you must have thought of
the episode where Jerry's intellect is playing chess against his libido.
"You can't beat me, I'll be back..."

He does have a line during the same scene, probably meant to draw
attention from the otherwise rather lame joke going on at crotch-level.
I beleive it was "People of <insert city name here>, I implore you."


-- 
Tim McClarren     | "...a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks."
timm@ncsa.uiuc.edu|
(217)244-0015     |
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From: jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (KING OF THE BEACH)
Subject: Re: playing detective
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:32:20 GMT

soup@leland.Stanford.EDU (young-sup lee) writes:

>the piece of evidence linking kramer to the murders was the title page
>of his treatment (kinda funny: kramer, treatment?).  It is laser printed
>and centered and goes something like:
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


you have got to be kidding!!!!   PAH-LEEZ!
From: v070r6vw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (David C Valenzuela)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Sirhan Sirhan
Date: 16 Aug 92 07:43:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Sirhan Sirhan killed Bobby Kennedy in the giant conspiracy that included
the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.


					Dave the History Major
					and JFK-Assassination Follower
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From: mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com (Mark W. Poole)
Subject: Re: disappointment with season opener
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:09:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

In article <1992Aug20.124124.14203@ryn.mro4.dec.com> amm@rtpvl1.enet.dec.com (anita magenheim) writes:
>
>FYI - the guy the cops cuffed in the 519 (who turned out to be the "Smog 
>Strangler") is Ron Howard's brother.  (Oooh, I gotta get a life!)
>--
>Anita Magenheim
>			- "The River", by Garth Brooks

I recognized the "Smog Strangler" as the kid from the show "Gentle
Ben"....boy was that a long time ago...

Mark.
From: farowich@guiduk.enet.dec.com (STEVE FAROWICH)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Jerry's Acting
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:52:43 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Seems to me that Jerry's acting is a lot like George Burns
and Gary Shandling.  They each had similar roles where they
played themselves and also talked to the audience.

steve
From: timm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Coffee_Junkie)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Season openers...
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:26:46 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Just finished watching the second part...I agree, the LA adventure
was dull.  Too wacky.  Couldn't put my finger on it until someone
mentioned it.  At least they're back in NY...last few minutes of
tonight's show gave me hope that things are back to normal now.
Sigh...where's Elaine!  Just isn't the same without her...love
watching her and George together...

Ah well, at least Wings is getting progressively better...love the
taxi driver character...

Tim

-- 
Tim McClarren     | "...a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks."
timm@ncsa.uiuc.edu|
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From: jamesf@cae.wisc.edu (James Friedmann)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Clint Howard = Mark Wedlo
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:57:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

Steve Rosen writes:
>
>Yea, Clint Howard I think is his name.  I feel sorry for that guy, if you
>remember he was the little kid/star on "Gentle Ben" many years ago.  I have
>to keep reminding myself of that whenever he pops up on some show.
>
>Talk about type-cast, that guy gets only "ugly" roles on TV.  When they
>want to cast some ugly, villianous character, that's who they pick - and
>he's pretty ugly looking - on "Gentle Ben" he was cute.  He also appears (I
>think it's him) on some music video for the Ramones ('I Want to Be
>Sedated', maybe?).  They evidentally wanted to show a bunch of
>crude/dirty/rough punkish looking kids and there he is (dancing yet!).  Can
>somebody confirm that, since there are no credits in the video?
>
I've never seen the video, but I think that it must be Clint.
You see, the Ramones did the music for the film "Rock and Roll High
School," in which Clint Howard played a major role.  You're right
about the ugly role type casting.  I've seen him in a number of
B movies.  He always plays either a "nerd" or a "slime ball."

***************************************
* Jim Friedmann (jamesf@cae.wisc.edu) *
***************************************
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From: cad0410@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Cecelia A. Dorn)
Subject: What's with Jerry?
Reply-To: cad0410@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:31:56 GMT

Well, let me first preface this by saying that I LOVE the Seinfeld show.
Each episode consistently has something hysterically, perfectly, geniusly
funny: maiba tha dango aite yoa baibai, these PRETSELS are making me THIRSTY,
there HAD to be a second spitter, Jerry take the pen, in my mind I'm
already gone, with my baaaare haaaands maaaan, etc etc.

BUT...there's an element of the show that drives me nuts...and that is 
Seinfeld himself.  Everybody else on the show is GREAT, but what's with
Jerry...does he need some acting lessons or what.  I have 2 theories on
why Jerry never seems to meld into the scenes like the other characters:

(1) He's a stand-up comic and used to playing to the audience (of course
this hinges on whether the show is taped in front of a live audience
which I'm not sure of).  Therefore he never seems to be able to forget
that this isn't real-life, he's trying to ACT like himself and it just
isn't natural.  Its supposed to be HIS life and yet I BELIEVE this is
the life of all the other characters EXCEPT for him.  He kind of yells
his lines in that strange sing-song monotone of his.

(2) The other theory is that his style of acting is SUPPOSED to be obvious
because we know this is Jerry Seinfeld playing himself.  This is an annoying
concept...we get the joke already.  I would prefer that Jerry play a
character with another name who also just happens to be a stand-up comic.

Also, there is that parody thing they keep trying and which just doesn't
seem to work.  You know, like when Jerry was grilling the fat guy (name?)
Dragnet-style outside his apartment, or the angry cop schtick of the
this weeks episode, and the way the Tonight Show stuff was so fake seeming.
I know the fake aspect of the Tonight Show bit was probably intentional,
they know we know it wasn't real, so they're trying to do some sort of
in-joke takeoff on the whole thing.  It would be a great idea if it was
funny, but to me it just doesn't work.  I'm sitting there trying to
laugh but instead feeling that its just kind of lame.

I also agree that the show's success hinges on the NYC element.  The
ideosyncracies of George and Kramer are funny and endearing in the
context of that environment whereas they just seem like some kind of
sad loosers out in la-la land.

Anyway, despite these small complaints let me reiterate that I think the
show is great and I hope they don't tinker with it too much in the future
...other than Jerry's acting lessons that is  :-)

Whadda you think?

--Cea
From: ingraffi@tramp.Colorado.EDU (INGRAFFIA EDMOND J)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Re: New episode, Wed., 8-12-92
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:31:41 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Aug11.210456.26266@mips2.ma30.bull.com> mgelman@cyclades.ma30.bull.com (Michael A. Gelman) writes:
>On the subject of talk shows and their hosts:
>
>According to today's paper, Michael Richards is on the Arsinio Hall show
>this evening (8/11).
>--Mike

	Yea...and he was wacked :^)

	Yangety
From: jjcox@oregon.uoregon.edu (Joshua Cox)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Re: part II show
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:38:37 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Computing Center

In article <1992Aug19.030111.21578@Warren.MENTORG.COM>, sharma@euler.Warren.MENTORG.COM (Sharma Kunapalli) writes:
> 
> 
> In article Message-ID: <92Aug18.221702.28628@acs.ucalgary.ca>
> kjgriffi@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kevin John Griffith) writes:
> 
> >Saw the second part of the season opener.  In my opinion, it was
> >really good ( especially compared to the weak first part ).
> >without giving anything away, the best scenes involves jerry's
> >911 call, and the police car ride.
> 
> I don't get it. How could you watch it?
> 
> Sharma

I don't get it, either.  How could you watch it (like me, sniff) when the Republican Convention ran everything 15 minutes later and your VCR didn't get the last fifteen minutes?  What torture, to get the first half, and not the last!!!!!

-Josh
From: also@max.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Re: Season opener
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:39:14 GMT

> I agree wholeheartedly.  Kramer is a good character, but he
> should not become the focus of so many shows.  This is a 
> mistake that has been fallen into many, many times by comedy
> show writers.  Some characters are better and will stay good
> longer if kept in more minor, more occasional roles.  Unfortunately,
> when a minor character becomes popular, the writers feel compelled
> (maybe by the public, maybe by their bosses) to make him/her
> a major character.  It's a short-term payoff and frequently a
> long-term mistake.
> 
> I can think of a couple of other examples off the top of my head:
> 
> Fonzie in Happy Days  (Am I really citing Happy Days as an example?
>                        Was it really a mistake?)
> 
> Those 3 brothers on Newhart---"My name is (don't remember), and this
> is my brother Darrell, and this is my other brother Darrell."  A
> couple of times a season, OK.  But every show?

     It certainly paid off for the writers of Cheers to let Frazier and
Cliff develope from minor/occasional characters into being more integral
parts of the show.  I suppose it just depends on how it happens.  It's 
sure going to take alot more than what I've seen so far to ruin the role
of Kramer.  I can't invision the Seinfeld writing staff "ruining" a 
character by giving them lines.
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From: pons@jupiter.csd.unb.ca (pons)
Subject: Re: New episode, Watch for Nilan, Bard and Lucky 
Organization: Computer Science, University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:45:34 GMT

In article <1716@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.183752.18277@hubcap.clemson.edu> phickey@eng.clemson.edu writes:
>>
>>I have a strange feeling we are going to be seeing Jay Leno on the show.

>Or probably Johny Carson. But definetly one of those two. I read TV
>Guide yesterday and it mentioned that Jerry and George make an appearance
>on the Tonight Show in this 2-part episode called "Hollywood!".
>I know Jerry Seinfeld is good buddies with Leno. Carson also gave him
>alot of exposure when Jerry was just starting out in the stand-up circuit.
>I would love to have Kramer meet Letterman on some episode. That would
>an ultimate encounter,IMHO!

>-Mark

I also read, in a far from reliable source (Ace Thompson's T.V. Talk), that 
Seinfeld will have 3 of his childhood pals nickednamed Nylun, Bard and Lucky
making appearances.  They will each have a very tiny part as characters 
with their childhood nicknames.

  
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From: brad@ssd.intel.com (Brad Rullman)
Subject: Re: disappointment with season opener
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Divison, Intel Corp.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:19:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.194308.15050@Warren.MENTORG.COM>, sharma@euler.Warren.MENTORG.COM (Sharma Kunapalli) writes:
|> In article Message-ID: <17074@ulysses.att.com>
|> tom@ulysses.att.com (Tom Smith) writes:
|> 
|> >I've been lurking, waiting to see other's reactions to the
|> >season opener of 8/12/92.  I was disappointed with this episode,
|> >in much the same way I was with last season's finale.
...
|> >I don't watch Seinfeld for plot, but for characters and dialogue.
|> >And in this episode, those suffered from an overabundance of
|> >storyline.
...
|> Me too. May be I was expecting too much. I agree with
|> you that the show probably feels better when they are in 
|> NYC.
|> 
|> Sharma

I generally agree.  To me, it feels like they may be starting to
fall into the trap that most sitcoms fall into once they become
very popular: they start to over-exaggerate the very aspects of
the show that made it popular in the first place.  Which is too
bad.  This show will quickly lose its appeal with me if it continues,
just as Cheers has lost its appeal.

Earlier in the season, Kramer's wackiness was doled out in just the
right amount to make it funny, and yet still conceivable.  The
last episode seemed so overcome with wackiness as to be totally 
unreal.  The result being that many of the scenes just didn't seem
as funny as usual, because I couldn't relate to them.

Brad
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From: csham@thumper.bellcore.com (Cathleen Shamieh)
Subject: Season opener
Organization: Morristown Research and Engineering
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:00:35 GMT

I was disappointed in Part I of the season opener. My husband
and I just didn't think it was very funny. I agree, there was
too much plot.
And furthermore... this may be an unpopular opinion, but here
goes anyway...
I think the show was better when Kramer was a more minor 
character. He's hysterical as the crazy neighbor who bursts
into Jerry's apartment unannounced from time to time. I think
they're making too much of Kramer. He's getting boring to me.
Hopefully, he'll be so popular, he'll get a spin-off, and 
Seinfeld will improve...
Comments, anyone?
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From: rfpfeifl@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Laugh Track...
Keywords: what's with that?
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:05:57 GMT

Although I generally enjoyed last night's episode, I was really turned off by
the laugh track.  Didn't it bother anyone else?  I didn't realize that one
of the charms of "Seinfeld" was the live audience, until last night.  I felt
like someone else's sense of humour was being imposed on me by it.

back to lurking
Ron
From: v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Re: Jerry's Jock
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <16258@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews) writes...
>I hope I'm not duplicating another posting (I haven't had time to read them all since
>returning from vacation).  While watching the season opener, I noticed that when Jerry
>was "scanned" by the hand-held metal detector at the airport, the pitch of the
>beep raised as the detector passed by Jerry's crotch.  This brief scene was also 
>included in the recap at the start of the opener part two.  If it's meant as a
>stand-alone joke, I don't get it.  Anyone else notice this?  Any explanation?
> 
>Tom Matthews

if you've ever see the film _This Is Spinal Tap_, the same thing happens 
to Derek Smalls at the airport. turns out he had a cucumber wrapped in 
tin foil tucked into his pants for, erm, show.
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From: guppy@wixer.cactus.org (Jennifer Mery)
Subject: Re: disappointment with season opener
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 06:58:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.181040.5322@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> pwy6d@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (The terminalator) writes:
>person) playing that role.   It seems like if that was Howard, he
>would have had to have been a kid to have pulled that off.
>
He was a kid, sheesh that was 25 years ago! Sheesh!
:)

jam

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From: basiji@milton.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Subject: Re: playing detective
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:30:32 GMT

mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel) writes:

>>George should not have ordered the kosher meal.
>>
>>Most kosher airline meals are virtually inedible. Even though I'm
>>kosher I wind up ordering the vegetarian meals which are usually at
>>least edible.

>     The best I've gotten out of ANY meal on a domestic flight
>is one which is digestible.  Last time I just asked for 5 bags
>of peanuts.  They didn't think that was funny.  I had to explain
>to the attendant that I wasn't joking.

>-Mark

I had the best roast beef sandwich of my life on Alaskan Airlines.
And I've tried _a lot_ of roast beef in my lifetime.

Dave
-- 
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From: seifert@eng.umd.edu (Earl Scott Seifert)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: Re: disappointment with season opener
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:03:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug20.092034@ties.bell-atl.com> df2tg2n@shoes.bell-atl.com writes:
>
>Not to digress too much, but...
>
>Yea, Clint Howard I think is his name.  I feel sorry for that guy, if you
>remember he was the little kid/star on "Gentle Ben" many years ago.  I have
>to keep reminding myself of that whenever he pops up on some show.

This guy has been in a *lot* of stuff but my favorite was the first
episode (I think it was the first) of Star Trek (not "The
Cage/Menagerie"). He is this dwarf guy who possesses a vastly superior
intellect (no!) but since his appearance is less than intimidating he
broadcasts the pale, sunken-cheeked, skull-like face that is featured
in the closing credits of every episode.


-- 
                                       	 Scott Seifert
				         seifert@eagle.larc.nasa.gov
                                         seifert@eng.umd.edu
From: tom@ulysses.att.com (Tom Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld
Subject: disappointment with season opener
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:37:45 GMT
Distribution: usa

I've been lurking, waiting to see other's reactions to the
season opener of 8/12/92.  I was disappointed with this episode,
in much the same way I was with last season's finale.

The problem: too much plot.

I don't watch Seinfeld for plot, but for characters and dialogue.
And in this episode, those suffered from an overabundance of
storyline.  Wacky, certainly.  But detrimental to the strengths
of the show.

Let's get them back to NYC, in the coffeeshop, as soon as possible.

Tom Smith.
tom@ulysses.att.com
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From: mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel)
Subject: Re: Question about teenaged character...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:29:38 GMT


In article <12649@icarus> banner@icarus ( banner@semi.mitel.com ) writes:
>Who was the guy who played the teenaged hippy (?) that Kramer met in
>the van an the way to CA in the season opener. The same guy who was
>telling the cops "And then Kramer said 'Have you ever killed a man?!'"
>in the Part 2.
>
>The character looked awfully familiar...

     That was Will Wheaton, the guy who plays Wesley Krusher
on Star Trek (Next Generation).  I should say DID play WK.  That
horrible character was written out of that horrible show.
Not to be nitpicking, BUT I think the actual quote was "Have you
ever killed a man, junior?"  The word junior makes a bit of a
difference - dontchya think?  I agree, that scene was quite hilarious.

-Mark
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From: spring@ece.arizona.edu (Chris Spring)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld,alt.binaries.pictures.d
Subject: Kramer GIFs
Keywords: Anyone have a digitizer?
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:31:28 GMT
Reply-To: spring@ece.arizona.edu (Chris Spring)
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering

So, when is someone going to post a GIF (or jpg) of Kramer (in 
alt.binaries.pictures for bandwidth considerations)?  He would 
be a fantastic background for my SPARCstation!  Say, his resume photo, 
or the lovely painting that was done of him.  Other Seinfeld images 
would also be appreciated.


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