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From: ahaley@eoe.co.uk (Andrew Haley)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Sony's SBM CD Mastering
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:20:08 GMT
Organization: EO Europe Limited, Cambridge, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

ahaley@eoe.co.uk (Andrew Haley) writes:
: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
: : In article <1352@eouk9.eoe.co.uk> ahaley@eoe.co.uk (Andrew Haley) writes:
: 
: [... deleted ...]
: 
: : >A simple roundoff (with 1/2 bit dither to linearize the quantization)
: : >is the right thing to do in this case.
: : 
: : Simple roundoff with dither is a good thing to do; I see no reason to
: : believe it's the best.  Why do you think 1/2 bit (uniform?) dither is
: : best?  I've heard that 1 bit (triangular) dither is better.
: 
: Well, it's not so much 1/2 bit as 1/3 bit RMS (I can't remember what
: the frequency distribution should be).  1/3 bit RMS is near as dammit
: 1 bit pk-pk.  I meant +/- 1/2 bit, you're quite right.

Err, sorry this is bollocks.  It should be 1/3 bit RMS, with a
triangular probability density function.  

Vanderkooy and Lipshitz found that a uniform PDF produced noise
modulation.  A triangular PDF obtained by adding two pseudo random
sequences eliminated this.

Cheers, Andrew.


REFERENCE

Vanderkooy, J. and Lipshitz, S.P. _Digital Dither_, 81st. Audio
Engineering Society Convention.  Quoted in _The Art Of Digital Audio_
by Watkinson.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bower@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Tyson Bower)
Subject: Re: Surround Sound Decoder/Amp
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: na 
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 02:28:27 GMT

>   ....   the 6 different speaker outputs   ....

Six?!?  Why is it every time someone brings up the whole Pro-logic
thread we gain a new channel??

There are only four.  

1)  Front left.
2)  Front right.
3)  Front center (usually touted as the dialogue channel).
4)  Rear.

Notice I said "Rear."  This is no rear left/rear right.  The rear channel
is purely mono.  If your amp has an output for seperate left and right
speakers for the rear channel, they are in all probability simply
two seperate sets of terminals wired in series (often out of phase with
each other, that is +left- -right+ ) to a single amp.  I suppose you
could have two seperate amps for the rear, and some complicated 
steering logic circuitry to give you a sense of seperation in the
rear, but that is not part of Dolby Pro-Logic.
From: ebe+@pitt.edu (Elmer Beachley)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: J&R Music World - Thumbs down
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:29:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Well let me relate my experience with J&R, which was not good.
They took my order, said the item was in stock, would be sent out
UPS Blue, as I wanted it right away.  Two days later, when nothing
showed up, I called back.  Well, the item is now out-of-stock and
might be available in two weeks.

Before I cancelled, I asked why they bothered wasting my time.
They said the salesman had probably "read the wrong line".  Well,
he sure got the price right.  Anyway, I probably will never order
from them again.  Their prices are not that fantastic anyway, but
they do have alot of stuff in their catalog.

Elmer Beachley ebe@unix.cis.pitt.edu
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Audiolab amps
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:10:03 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <WOOD.92Aug14174443@wood.uk.tele.nokia.fi> wood@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Peter Wood) writes:
>>>>>> On 14 Aug 92 09:00:12 GMT, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) said:
>A few months ago I was wondering whether to buy a second hand pre/power
>combo.  A dealer had an 8000P power amp and a Musical Fidelity Pre3A pre-amp
>which we took home for the weekend, to sit between our LP12 and Epos ES11
>speakers. 
>
>Sounded horrid.  Well, not objectionable, just flat, boring and lacking in
>detail.  And this is compared to a Creek 4140 integrated.  Lots more heft
>than we were used to, but it was like a veil in front of the speakers.  (Sort
>of like Hawkwind's last tour, if anyone else here saw them in the UK...).

Maybe you got a bad one, or maybe it doesn't get along well with that
preamp or those speakers.  Who can say?  Or maybe it's just a matter of
taste.  (I certainly prefer it to the Creek you mention.)

It (the Audiolab 8000P) is certainly not going to be to everyone's
taste, because it has a pretty neutral effect on the music -- makes it
bigger, but will only put out what you put into it.  I prefer that,
myself.  Not the amp's job to have a personality.  (Generally, the
British market prefers a bit of added 'bright' -- don't know about you
personally, of course.)  Certainly have no complaints about the level of
detailing.

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
From: dsnead@bach.udel.edu (David T Snead)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DAK dbx satellite/subwoofer speakers - opinions?
Keywords: DAK dbx speakers
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:24:13 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <4716@balrog.ctron.com> donegan@ctron.COM (Dave Donegan) writes:
>Has anyone purchased the $299 dbx satellite/subwoofer speakers?  The 
>subwoofer has its own 140W amplifier.  

HA HA HA HA HA HA!

I have seen this come up several times before in reference to the 
"DAK dbx Sound Field V" speaker systems.

The jist is the DAK bought the dbx name and is selling utter crap.
How good of a sat/sub are you really gonna get for $300?

Does anyone have the any of the old articles about the Soundfield Vs?

Dave


Disclaimer: This is just a recap of what I remember from previous
articles, I have never purchased anything from DAK.
From: dtang@bass.bu.edu (Deming Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: DAK's $149 Subwoofer
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:51:06 GMT
Organization: Boston University


I am hoping to get some suggestions from those knowledgeable souls.
A while a go, someone posted a mail about his experience with the
DAK's dbx subwoofer.  My quesions are:

1. Does anyone who bought the subwoofer know what the max power
   handling capability is?  The catalog did not say how many watts
   it will take.

2. It is not a amplified subwoofer.  Therefore, one would expect
   the AMP will work much harder to drive it.  The question is
   what does this "hard" mean.  What if one has excess amount 
   of power to spare (for example, only using 20W of the 80W AMP)?
   Will I get significant improvement by using a Subwoofer in
   this case (I have a 80W ONKYO AMP and pair of 2Way Infinity
   Reference II speakers with two Memorex weathermate as
   surround speakers)?

Thanks in advance.

DMT

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: Who dat say dey gonna buy dat DAT?
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:47:01 GMT

In article <jpl1.714232464@Ra.MsState.Edu>, jpl1@Ra.MsState.Edu (John Patrick Lestrade) writes:
|> trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:
|> 
|> >Prerecorded DAT cassettes?
|> >DAT Decks?
|> >Blank DAT cassettes?
|> 
|> >-- Tim
|> 
|> Excuse me for my naivete, TIm.  I meant the ability to make digital
|> copies of my CD's -- by usinga DAT deck and a blank tape.  I wonder when
|> the consumer pricing of DAT decks will come down and flatten as did
|> the cassette deck price structure years ago.  (Computer prices 
|> have not yet flattened!  They still continue to yield more bang for the
|> buck yr after yr!)
|> patrick

   Well, I just recently took the DAT plunge and the home deck
ran about $600. The car deck cost about $400. Blank DAT cassettes
are going for about $7 for 120 minute lengths.
   One of the reasons that DAT prices are not plummeting like other
audio developments is the complexity of the mechanism. The DAT
technology requires very tight tolerances to squeeze 6 gigabytes of
data onto a 2" by 3" cassette. The technology is modeled on the
rotating drum head technology used in VCRs but the rest of the
technology took a lot of R&D that the consumers will have to pay for.
There are also some hits incurred by the copy management system and
additional charges on blank tapes to "offset the inevitable loss of 
income to the music industry as a result of copying."
  The thing still makes better recordings than any analog deck in the
world. And those babys can go for $2000+!


|> John Patrick Lestrade, PhD 

-- Tim
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: jasonp@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jason Perez)
Subject: Re: cd player shutdown
Reply-To: jasonp@firebug.UUCP (Jason Perez)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:42:59 GMT

In article <7285@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu> jwu@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (John T. Wu) writes:
>
>My pioneer receiver has a sleep function that turns off
>the power after a certain number of minutes.  My cd player
>is plugged into the receiver and receives a power
>shut down at the same time.  I am wondering if it harms
>the cd player to have the power shut off while a cd is
>running?  (I realize I can avoid this by programming my
>cd or calculating the playing length.  I am simply curious
>about what would happen.)

  i don't think so.  i've shut off my sony cd player a zillion times while the
cd was playing, no harm done so far.


-- 
Jason Perez                             | 
jasonp@ishmael.sps.mot.com              | "Gig 'em!"     "Frodo lives!"
j0p7771@sigma.tamu.edu                  | "Don't have a cow man!"
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: Looking for Surround Sound Emulation
Organization: DSC
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:57:50 GMT

I have tried the absolute simplest surround circuitry, which consisted of
connect left + output to the LR speaker + and the right + output to the RR
speaker + and connecting the rear speakers - to -. 

What comes out of the speakers is stuff that I never heard before...

While watching Star Trek:TNG when I switch from normal audio to my simulated
surround circuit, the background sound of the rumbling of the spaceship 
suddenly shows up. In music videos, the rear speakers have the music only,
no vocals. The vocals are in the front speakers only.

So, in my opinion, it works, but I'm sure it's nowhere near as nice as
using a processor...

Larry
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: 6th Ave. Electronics--OPINIONS?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:31:48 GMT

kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester) writes:
>In article <16e699INN4qn@agate.berkeley.edu> henken@ocf.berkeley.edu (Matthew
>J. Henken) writes:
>>With all of the discussion of J & R Electronics, I find myself in need of
>>an opinion of another mail-order store:  6th Avenue Electronics City.
>>
>Every few days someone asks this question.  The general answer is:  Stay away
>from 6th Ave.  Their products are mostly grey market, meaning they are not
>authorized dealers for that product.  Therefore Adcom won't honor the warranty,
>and you have to hope that 6th Ave. has as skilled technicians for repairing
>Adcom products as does Adcom.  Don't count on it.  Other complaints about 6th
>Ave are that people have all kinds of problems with their orders, then have
>trouble getting the problems resolved.  J&R generally is considered much
>better.
*----
I'd say they were comparable to J&R.  But regarding gray market
merchandise:

There is no rule that you must buy something from an authorized
dealer to receive warranty service.  And dealers that are not
factory-authorized don't necessarily sell gray-market merchandise.
However, when something has a "store warranty", it's a good bet
that it's gray market or distress merchandise.

While most companies would prefer that the gray market didn't
exist, they are anxious to protect their reputations, and most
of them will stand behind their products.  Sony, for example,
will fix any of their products, no matter what market it was
intended for, under warranty at any authorized service center.
If Adcom won't, then I'd avoid Adcom products.  Who knows what
excuse they'll find to avoid fixing a U.S. market product?

--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: scocur@auto-trol.com (Scott Currier)
Subject: Re: Victrola Model VV-111
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:42:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.172949.24693@oct17.dfe.dec.com> chaban@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Ed Chaban) writes:
>
>In article <Bt4v6r.1uA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes...
>>chaban@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Ed Chaban) writes:
>
>>>In mint condition, I'd say it would be worth $500.  Victrolas that are nearly
>>>identical to the 110 could carry a higher price because they were manufactured
>>>much earlier (A VV-XVI for example).  In general, collectors tend to gravitate
>>>toward older machines.   
>>*----
>>This may be true - but if it doesn't look factory-new, and unless it is
>>a very rare model, then the actual value (if intact and working) is
>>more likely to be $ 75 - $ 100.  That's higher than I usually see
>>them go for at auction (complete, restoreable).
>>--
>>	Mike Berger
>>	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
>>	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
>>	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
>
>Boy, I'd love to go to one of the auctions you've been attending!  The price
>I quoted was a typical San Francisco Bay Area Antique shop price!
>
>-Ed
>

I'd have to agree with Mike's pricing.  I have been rebuilding
PLayer Pianos, Phonographs, and Music Boxes for over 20 years.
I know most of the suppliers, and many of the vendors nationwide.

Any Edison Phono will bring the highest price, followed closely
by Victor, with Columbia, Sonora, Silvertone, etc. dead last.

I don't doubt that Bay Area merchants are asking those prices, but
you will find that nationwide, any upright side crank will fetch
about $50-$150.  Victorolas may bring upwards of $200 for a
good piece, Edisons (Diamond Disc) can bring up to $300-$350.

External horn machines on the other hand are getting pretty
pricy !!!

Later

-- 
Disclaimer: Dis Claim is mine, all mine...
                                             Scott Currier
                                             Auto-trol Technology Corp.
scocur@auto-trol.com                         Denver, Colorado
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: wlh@cbnews.cb.att.com (wanda.l.howland)
Subject: Canning-type jar
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:46:21 GMT
Keywords: Horlicks

Hi!

I remember reading a thread not long ago re: canning jars and hope
that I can get some info about a jar I picked up last week at
a flea market.  It's a large blue, (aqua really), ~4 qt. jar
with a screw on lid (the lead type with milk glass insert).
The side of the jar reads:
               HORLICK'S
              MALTED MILK
               RACINE WIS
	    	   USA
		   --
		LONDON ENG

Any ideas as to value and age? I'll be using it for a flour
canister so it was worth the $3 to me!

Wanda
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Victrola Model VV-111
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:04:00 GMT

chaban@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Ed Chaban) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.184932.12792@watson.ibm.com>, rhoover@watson.ibm.com (Roger Hoover) writes...
>>I bought a victrola last night.  The label says Model VV-111.  Can
>>anyone out there tell me when this model was made (and perhaps what
>>the antique book value is)?  Thanks.
>> 
>>roger hoover
>>rhoover@watson.ibm.com
>>

>According to "Look For The Dog" by Robert Baumbach, The VV-110 was manufactured
>between 1923 and 1925 and sold for 225 to 265 dollars.

>Value, of course, depends heavily on condition.  If it has been refinished 
>or if the finish is in poor condition, a knowledgeable collector would likely
>avoid it. (I'm assuming, of course, it works!)

>In mint condition, I'd say it would be worth $500.  Victrolas that are nearly
>identical to the 110 could carry a higher price because they were manufactured
>much earlier (A VV-XVI for example).  In general, collectors tend to gravitate
>toward older machines.   
*----
This may be true - but if it doesn't look factory-new, and unless it is
a very rare model, then the actual value (if intact and working) is
more likely to be $ 75 - $ 100.  That's higher than I usually see
them go for at auction (complete, restoreable).
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: schutt@netcom.com (David G. Schutt)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: pianos
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:46:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Granted, Steinway pianos (old and new) are wonderful, but I wouldn't
turn my nose up at an old (1900-1910) upright from a first class maker:
Baldwin, Knabe, Chickering, Mason & Hamlin, Decker, Packard, etc. etc.
Some of those old uprights sound as good or better than most grands--
almost as heavy, too.
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: leslie@teton.rtp.dg.com (Scott Leslie)
Subject: Cameras
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 18:27:21 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.
Keywords: antique camera

I just inherited three cameras that date back as early as the 1910's and I was
wondering about value and actual dates for the cameras.  They are :

Kodak: No.2-A Folding Cartridge Premo
	Excellent condition (I think)
	Kodak ball bearing shutter
	Patents listed are :
		Jan 18, 1910
		Jan. 7, 1913
	Uses film : No. 116

	This is in a black case and the lense of the camera folds
	out of the body and locks in place.

Argus AF 35mm : (unknown date, looks like the 1940's)
	Made by International Research Corp., Ann Arbor Michigan

Kodak Brownie Bull's Eye : (late 50's)
	It has 3 rolls of unused film from the early 1960's with it.


Thanks, Scott

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Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: chaban@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Ed Chaban)
Subject: Re: Victrola Model VV-111
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 13 AUG 92 19:54:42 PST


In article <1992Aug13.184932.12792@watson.ibm.com>, rhoover@watson.ibm.com (Roger Hoover) writes...
>I bought a victrola last night.  The label says Model VV-111.  Can
>anyone out there tell me when this model was made (and perhaps what
>the antique book value is)?  Thanks.
> 
>roger hoover
>rhoover@watson.ibm.com
>

According to "Look For The Dog" by Robert Baumbach, The VV-110 was manufactured
between 1923 and 1925 and sold for 225 to 265 dollars.

Value, of course, depends heavily on condition.  If it has been refinished 
or if the finish is in poor condition, a knowledgeable collector would likely
avoid it. (I'm assuming, of course, it works!)

In mint condition, I'd say it would be worth $500.  Victrolas that are nearly
identical to the 110 could carry a higher price because they were manufactured
much earlier (A VV-XVI for example).  In general, collectors tend to gravitate
toward older machines.   

I'd look into having the reproducer (the thing that the needle attaches to)
rebuilt if it has not already been done.  I'd also suggest you get a LARGE
supply of needles from Phansteil Corporation in Waukeegan Ill.  Change the
needle every third or fourth record or you will ruin your collection!

Have fun!

-Ed
From: casey@bradley.bradley.edu (Chris Langston)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Plymouth Clock
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:09:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: bradley.1992Aug12.170932.14982
Organization: Bradley University

In <1992Aug12.154119.28420@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> roa@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Robert O. Anderson) writes:

>I've got a small (6" high) clock.... a Plymouth. Does anyone have any
>info......age, value, etc. I can provide more details if interested.
>Yes, it runs.

 Yep, Your clock was made by Seth Thomas. If the clock is electric it was made 
in the 1940's if it is wind-up then in the 1930's. This was last of the       
production run of Seth Thomas. Most of the clocks made in this period are worth
about $50 to $75 if wind-up type. If it is an electric it is worth $10 to $25.
You see Seth Thomas wanted to compeat with the cheeper clock market but did not
want the good name of Seth Thomas to be associated with it. So out came a      
series of clocks marketed with the name Plymouth. This was also done by Hersadi`
clock company who's lower end of the line was Revere. Most Plymouth clocks I
have seen have been cottage clocks (small square desk clocks) camelbacks, and
electric wall banjo types. 
-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unknown Indian Chief "Iron Horse bad medicine"                              -
- Unknown Army Scout   "What do you think is good medicine?"                  -
- Unknown Indian Chief "Milk of Magnesia"                                     -
- Chris Langston  casey@bradley.bradley.edu                                   -
From: dgoodin@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Dianna Goodin)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Info on Silver and Doll
Keywords: silver doll alexander
Date: 15 Aug 92 08:33:41 GMT
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com


Interested in info on a silver tray I picked up last weekend. I find it
hard to believe it is silver because of the heavy weight, yet after
cleaning off what appears to be years of tarnish, I can't find any
evidence of missing plating. Even a few deep scratches on the bottom
appear to be silver and not copper.

Anyway, the description:

    Silver serving tray about 13" x 18" w/ handles
     Front is engraved with an anchor and U.S.N.
            (U.S. Navy I presume)
     On the back are two stamps- I and S
     Below this is imprinted INTERNATIONAL SILVER CO
                                SILVER  SOLDERED
     Below the imprint are two imprints- 01140
                                        18 IN [41]

Any clues on how to tell if this is sterling, plate or nickel silver?

Does nickel silver tarnish? Most nickel silver I have seen is of the older
variety and has a "pewter" patina.

Also, for a friend, any info on a Madame Alexander doll?
  Doll is 11.5" tall, wearing a yellow pinafore over a white dress.
  body is plastic and jointed at the shoulders and legs
  Neck is stamped Alexander 1963 and dress has a white tag w/
    red ink: Louisa M. Alcott
               Little Women
                 "AMY"

Just curious,
Dianna


Find of the MONTH- Sansumi lamp, 6"tall, Budda(?) riding an Elephant,
                   very ornate detailing, mounted on a rosewood base 
                   for only $5 !
From: rrw@philabs.philips.com (Roger White)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Apollo/Soyuz cigarettes
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:15:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.

I know these ain't antiques but perhaps someone out there can help me.  I have
a pack of Apollo/Soyuz cigarettes that were made in the Soviet Union and
distributed here during the 1975 mission.  I'm just curious if they're worth
any more than the buck or so I paid for them.

Thanks in advance,

Rog