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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:16:43 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1ikaa0INNh23@shelley.u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek) writes:

>	Ummm...that's the POINT of a command structure.

Again, there's a big difference between a starship and a space station loaded
with civilians.  Yes, I know a starship is loaded with civilians too, but at
least they realize that they're exploring the unknown, and that they might
get killed.  Joe on DS9 is thinking "Hey, I'm just here doing a job.  I
wanna finish cleaning up the station then I'm outta here.  If you're going
to take this thing into battle, do me a favor and beam me down to the planet
before you do."

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From: rosensta@spade.rutgers.edu (Michael "Trott" Rosenstark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Summary: Highly advanced 'black' aliens
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:04:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



Don't you people remember the aliens in 'Darmok'?  You know, the
episode where the Picard is kidnapped and forced to fight an energy
being alongside the semi-incoherent captain of the kipnappers?  He was
also obliged to figure out how to communicate with the alien captain,
who spoke a language with a grammar based on folk-references and a
vocabulary miraculously similar to Earth-English.  Babel-fish city.

Anyway, the point is that the kidnappers were obviously played by
black actors, and were actually capable of nuking the Enterprise
(nearly) when push came to shove.

cheerio,

mike
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From: radloff@cs.uiuc.edu (Lisa Radloff)
Subject: Re: Troi's accent
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:42:02 GMT

kevin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth) writes:


>     Just one last comment on Troi's accent:  the reason you never
>hear other Betazoids (Tam Elbron, Lwaxana, etc.) speak with Deanna's
>accent is because her accent is *NOT* Betazoid!!  It's the accent of
>her father, who was a human Starfleet officer, probably raised on a
>planet where everyone has that weird accent.  In fact, this is canon;
>I think it's Lwaxana who says (thinks) to Troi something like "I see
>you still have your father's accent".  So there.  And don't forget to
>check out Atsushi Kanamori on alt.tv.bh90210.  DS9 was FABULOUS!!!!

>				To hell with the new DS9 bashers,
>				Kevin Duckworth

Well, it's funny that they felt they needed to explain away
Marina Sirtis' Greek origin accent--part of watching this
is to suspend disbelief, so it shouldn't matter what anyone
sounds like or what color they are, acting, after all is
(or should be) without racial bias.  remember the whole
shakespeare's "Othello" arguments?


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From: trice@brtph330 (Tony Rice P885)
Subject: Re: Runabouts
Organization: Bell Northern Research, RTP, NC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:13:56 GMT

Stephen R Fleming (fleming@cup.portal.com) wrote:
: How come Starfleet stuff is so rarely named after people/places/
: things from NON-human worlds, eh?

Because the writers are from earth?  I dont think the writers take
the series as seriously as rec.arts.startrek.current does.

Thats their way of paying tribute to people/places/things on this
human world. i.e. the shuttlecraft on TNG
From: byork@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Space 9 review -- Wow!
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:25:36 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1ib2ioINNbv8@mirror.digex.com>, cary@access.digex.com (Cary R. Stephan) writes:
> Well, what to say?  It was GREAT!  I won't bore anyone with a review,
> spoilers, etc. but I will say that the story is good, the FX great, and
> the characters interesting (I'm anxious to see how the actors will grow
> into their roles--and vice versa).
> 
> One note of interest: in the first Cardassian ST:TNG episode O'Brien had
> two full pips, in DS9 he wears one half pip.
> 
> Gene Roddenberry would be proud of this new show; it is very impressive.  
>  
> 
    I'll agree with what you are saying, but the show is guilty of having
a ST:TNG problem---- it was rather anti-climatic ( it took 5 minutes to
make everything okay).
                I'm tired of them getting out of tough places with the snap
of a finger.
              Barry
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From: S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: 30 The Hispanic or English Counselor Troi
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:26:52 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>
>Last night, there was a brief snippet on TV about the new women of
>TNG, comparing them with the women of the orginal StarTrek. The
>actress (I forget her name) that play Counselor Troi was being
>interviewed. She sounds as if she has an English accent! On the
>TV show, maybe it is me, but she sounds Hispanic!
>
>Is the Hispanic accent I am hearing her attempt to cover up her
>English accent? Or was I out of mind when I heard the interview
>and mistook the accent as being English?
>
>
>Rakesh Patel

Marinia Sirtis (I know I didn't spell the first name correct, but hey)
is Cockney and has a distinct offstage accent.  On the show she just
kind of slurs her words.  I don't know, maybe this is supposed to be
some kind of Betazedaccent, but then her mother speaks quite clearly
(and vociforiously) so I think it's just her inability to cover up her
natural accent.

                                          -=Road Warrior=-
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From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip D. Russell)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Going Away Party-NOT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 09:31:04 GMT

In article <C0MMuo.LoB@csn.org> pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals) writes:
>
>I could hardly believe my eyes. Here's lovable old O'Brien slinking off the
>Enterprise by himself. Not one of his so called friends (except the Captain,
>of course, it was his 'duty') to see him off! Where was the Party, the gifts,
>the back patting 'You were the best transport chief we ever had' sentiments?
>Hey, come on even a 2 week temp. worker at least gets a thanks. Of all the
>flaws in DSN this one takes the cake or not as it turned out. Isn't there a
>Miss Manners in the 24th Century? :)

It would cost too much to have all the TNG regulars to guest star on
DSN.

They really should have had O'Brien transfer during a TNG episode so
we could get all these "assumed" events.

Flip
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From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Too many SF shows, not enough time or VCRs!
Date: 4 Jan 1993 08:30:09 -0800
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA
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Here in the SoCal area, there are going to be scheduling conflicts.  The DS9
premiere tomorrow night conflicts with Quantum Leap.  And then there's the
issue of having enough time to watch 'em all!  Some of us have to work for a 
living.

Realistically, these new shows will probably have a high cancellation rate.
SF usually does, unfortunately.
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From: jmanning@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Joshua I. Manning)
Subject: Re: 24 Re: Where are the enlisted personal?
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:10:33 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

On this topic:
O'Brien is not an ``officer'', per say. He did not attend the academy, but
rather seems to be a chief petty officer --- (that's what they call him)
his posting on the Enterprise was the highest he could get after his many
years of service. That is why both O'brien wears two pins, but can be
ordered around by anyone.

josh
From: chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Burgess) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TROI GIF
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:34:00 GMT
Reply-To: chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Burgess) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Outland BBS  UUPCB  403-475-9588

Recently, I posted a message saying that I had a GIF of what appeared to
be Marina Sirtis, topless. Well, I do, and will be sending it out across
this newsgroup probably within the next couple of days, uuencoded. For
those that might be interested, the GIF itself is technically in 8-bit
colour, the only thing is that the portion of the GIF that contains the
number for the BBS that originally posted (produced?) the GIF is in
8-bit colour, whereas the actual picture of Sirts is in black&white.
Watch out for it in the next couple of days, as I have received several
requests for the GIF, and have decided that if there are no objections
to be sending out a picture of a topless woman across this newsgroup, I
will, as it will be easier for me to send it out here than to send it
out for each individual request.

Thanks to the people that e-mailed me showing interest in the file.

Chris Burgess
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From: dickia@rpi.edu (Andrew B. Dickinson)
Subject: Re: Sisko's kid
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:21:51 GMT

Hmmm.... I don't know... I think there are Wesley-esque possibilities
there.  THe kid seems a little too happy and has too solid a
relationship with his father to be real -- those are definite signs of
Wesley-ism.  :-)

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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Are TRILLs parasites or symbiotes?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 13:48:37 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: phlan.sw.stratus.com


IMHO, and it's too early to say anything truly definitive, the Trill
consciousness is a fusion the native intelligences of the symbion and
the host.  The symbion is clearly substantially more intelligent, so
that aspect dominates.  There may be more than one host species (there
are physiological differences between the hosts in TNG's "The Host"
and Kira's host), but I believe they are sentient.  They may be somewhat
lower in intelligence than humans, or that may depend on which host
species.

As to the symbiotic benefits, the symbion gains ambulation and a protective
shell that maintains temperature, nutrient levels, osmotic pressure, etc.
The host probably gains a higher level of awareness due to fusion
of his or her mind with that of the symbion, also the vast experiences
of the longer-lived symbion.  The symbion may also help regulate
endocrine levels (this is pure speculation), which may extend the
lifetime of the host.

I have no doubt that the symbion-host relationship will be explored in
depth in subsequent episodes, and that both the host and the symbion
benefit from the symbiosis.  The above is speculation to ease some of
the concerns voiced about this unusual species.

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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'brien's transportation
Keywords: O'brien, transporter **SPOILERS**
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:00:27 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

In article <1993Jan6.203655.8095@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, rah@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Ray Aaron Hoffman) writes:
|> 
|> When O'brien was leaving the Enterprise for the station, Picard
|> *transported* him off the ship.  Maybe I missed some explanation 
|> of this, but wasn't the Enterprise docked?  Why was he transported?
|> Nostalgia?  It would seem to be a waste of energy to transport, rather
|> than simply hitching a ride on a turboshaft.
|> 
|> -Rah

  Do we need to give everyone another lesson on how to put
spoiler alerts on their posts?  If you reveal ANYTHING about
the content of an episode, put SPOILER in the subject line or
at the begining of the post followed by ^Ls or several carriage
returns!  If you don't think you're revealing anything important,
it doesn't make any difference - still use spoiler protection.
Be very liberal with it so that no one reads what they didn't
want to.

-- Tim
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From: rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin)
Subject: Re: 180-degree differences
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:17:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.213756.11669@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:
|> 
|> Funny how exact opposite opinions on the same show pop up here.
|> Examples include:
|> 
|> [...]
|> 
|> And so forth.  Makes me wonder if they even broadcast the same show
|> to all areas of the country.  My, Star Trek fans certainly are 
|> argumentative, aren't they?

Personally, I've been thinking that it's time to severely prune the
gene tree.

|> Mandatory smiley for the humor-impaired:   :-)

Yup.  :-)

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From: chan4@husc11.harvard.edu (Derek Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Space 9 - Boston area- anybody know what cha
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:21:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan5.182115.19032
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1993Jan4.133158.18993@husc3.harvard.edu> chan4@husc11.harvard.edu (Derek Chan) writes:
>Does anybody know what channel and at what time the premiere and series of
>DS9 will air in the Boston, MA area?
>
>Thanks!
>-- 
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
>|                                                                              |
>| Derek V. Chan                                          Harvard University    |

Thanks all for your responses!  I'll be sure to watch DS9!  For anyone else
who may want to know, DS9 will be on  channel 56 at 8 PM on 1/8/92.

Later!

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| Derek V. Chan                                          Harvard University    |
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From: rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin)
Subject: Re: ST: DS9 premier question
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:53:33 GMT

In article <s3-30vf@rpi.edu>, plutnj@aix.rpi.edu (James Matthew Plutnicki) writes:
|> >|> >First...



|> >|> I'm quite sure he was a Vulcan. But I have a question: Was Sisko the
|> >|> Captain or was the Vulcan? I don't remember if they ever mention it.
|> [...]
|> 
|> BTW: I believe the intent was to have the Captain of the Saratoga to be
|> Vulcan rather that Romulan, but the make-up effects of the forehead do
|> seem to indicate "new" Romulan. (I say "new" because in TOS the Romulans
|> looked exactly like Vulcans in that neither race had forehead ridges, the
|> "new" Romulans have developed them.  In my opinion, it is just an example 
|> of the vain attempt to make other races look less human, but sacrificing
|> continuity.)

A quick review of the closing credits will state, without any doubts,
that the Captain of the Saratoga was a Vulcan (it was even stated as
such... The word "Vulcan" was very prominent...)

End of speculation.

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From: x91anderso33@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: "My two cents" on DS9 women
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:25:57 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Here's another installment of "My Two Cents," where today I'll talk about the
new women on DS9.

SPOILERS


































Whoever cast Nana Visitor in the role of that Bajoran chick deserves a huge
round of applause. When she first turned around to talk to Sisko, me and all my
friends watching hung our mouths open and started drooling. Finally on Star
Trek there was a gorgeous woman with a SLKIGHT attitude! She's already my
favorite character, and another friend of mine who watched my tape of the show
said he's in love. And that chick who plays Dax (the chick with the slug in her
stomach) is about the cutest thing ever to appear in a Starfleet uniform! 

I imagine between the two of them, every guy in the station (especially Quark!)
will be drooling and chasing after those two! I can't wait for further DS9
episodes to learn more about their caharacters, especially the Bajoran.

See you all next time on "My Two Cents."

 --Karl Anderson, Western Michigan University

P.S.-Opposing viewpoints are welcome either by E-mail or postings.

P.P.S.-Phin, if you've gotten into this group yet, let me know right away!



"If you don't get your hand off my hip, you're never going to be able to lift a
drink with that hand again!" - Bajoran chick to Quark

"I love a woman in uniform!!" - Quark's reply
From: james.yaklin@cutting.hou.tx.us (James Yaklin) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: ---< DS9: Emissary >--- *
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:48:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: james.yaklin@cutting.hou.tx.us (James Yaklin) 

MN>From the looks of the show, DS9 is going to be a big hit.  Here are some thin
MN>that I noticed in this show that I wish the writers had to sense to use in
MN>'Encounter at Farpoint' for the TNG premeire...

I suppose it is OK; however, it is hard to view it as Star Trek.  At
least for me.

I guess I am just a diehard "trekker."  First off it was hard to keep
remembering that this was a Star Trek series without the infamous
preamble.  Yes, I know the preamble is out of place here; nevertheless
it has been part of Trek from the beginning.

I must admit I viewed it as just another SF series.  Of course that is
not bad seeing has how few good SF shows there are.

MN>-The commander's history:  The part about his wife dying at Wolf 359, raising
MN>his son alone, his original hatred of Picard, and the unwillingness to take
MN>the command of the station.  This is GREAT character background, and along
MN>with the wormhole stuff, we have a pretty good picture of him.

MN>-the Bagoran second-in-command: Again, her feelings for the Cardasian/Bagoran
MN>war, her feelings on leadership all help shape (and do I mean 'shape'!) her
MN>character on the show.

It is true the writers seemed to of dropped the ball on giving any type
of background info concerning most of the major characters.  For
instance the scene in which Siskoll meets Odo.  The Commander was not
even phased when he watched the shapeshifter in action.  From the
writer's POV this would of been an excellent opportunity to give some
info. concerning Odo.  And what about Dax?  They gave us no information
on her at all.  I hope the writing gets better.

MN>All in all, a great show.  As others have said before me, Gene would have
MN>been proud of it..

I must disagree with anyone that thinks this.  I think that if The Great
Bird of The Galaxy had anything to say about it this show would of never
gotten of the ground.  It obviously lacks Gene's touch.
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