HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: xenon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Beards vs. Make-up
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:31:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Nov23.223139.2658
Followup-To: soc.men,soc.women
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1erdm1INNs0b@gap.caltech.edu>, thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov22.114245.2638@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> xenon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>>why do *some* men allow their beards to grow?  Perhaps because they 
>>perceive a beard to be *attractive* to women (or they think it improves 
>>their looks, which amounts to the same thing) and thus having a beard
>>becomes very similar to women wearing makeup.  i.e. for the purpose of
>>attraction.

OOOps!  You got the attribution wrong.  I didn't write that, and don't agree
with it.  I've had a beard for about 99.9% of my adult life, and while it is
true that I look better with it, the main reason I grew it is because I detest
shaving.

Incidentally, I also prefer women without makep.  Heavy makeup is especiallyy
gross, and in some circles there seems to be almost an inverse correlation
between the attractiveness of a woman and the amount of makeup used (a la Tammy
Faye Bakker... blech...)

- xenon
Xref: sparky soc.men:19349 soc.women:19647 alt.abortion.inequity:5122 talk.abortion:48048 alt.feminism:4501
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Back Again To Father
Date: 15 Nov 1992 21:06:37 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:

>peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes...
>MLP>But we're not talking about notifying the husband in case of the wife's
>MLP>*pregnancy* or *birth*.  We're talking about notifying him in the case
>MLP>of her getting an *abortion*, when presumeably there would be no child.

>Indeed, if a man *is* going to be forced to be a father, I *strongly* believe
>that he at least has the right to know if he is REALLY the father.

But what if he's *not* going to become a father (ie, if she's going to 
abort)?

						--  Michal
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Subject: Re: Beards vs. Make-up
Organization: Fordham University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:39:00 GMT
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In article <1992Nov23.174658.24286@sei.cmu.edu>, bjz@sei.cmu.edu 
(Barbara Zayas) writes...
> 
>In article <By6Gt5.FF7@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) 
writes:
>|> In article <By5zs1.H4s@iai.kfk.de> seldner@hdi3sun.kfk.de (David Seldner) 
writes:
>|> 
>|> >That's an interesting point. Psychologically, men who have beards want to
>|> >hide something, they don't want to "show their face".
>|> 
>|>   Who told you this?   Why do you believe it?
>|> 
>|>   I have a beard because it takes less time and effort to maintain
>|>   than shaving.  Instead of having to shave every day I just trim
>|>   it once every two weeks.  
> 
>Ahhhh, so you [all] are lazy too, huh?
> 
>:-)
> 

Exactly.  Whenever I'm asked why I have a beard & moustache, I reply, 
"Because I'm too lazy to get up 20 minutes earlier each morning and 
shave."  This gets a laugh, but is the truth.  I'm even lazier than 
Peter Nelson, above, who trims his beard every two weeks--I go to a 
barber shop every two weeks for a trim, getting a haircut also every 
other time.  


> 
>Barbara Zayas				Software Engineering Institute
>Information Management			Carnegie Mellon University
>bjz@sei.cmu.edu				(412) 268-6378

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Newsgroups: soc.men
From: weverka@spot.Colorado.EDU (Robert T. Weverka)
Subject: Newspaper followup - Male Bashing List Makes the Newspaper
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:54:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.002438.5494@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>:
>
>Boulder's local paper has this to offer. They welcome responses on their
>Comment Line.  From a touch-tone phone, dial (303) 444-3834, dial
>extension 615 during the recording to leave a 30 second message.
>
>In the Sunday Camera November 15
>----Begin included article----
>*CLASSES FOR MALES
>  A flier is making its way along the Downtown Mall.  It offers a list of so-
>called _Seminars for Men_, put on by female staffers at whatever office you
>happen to work.  Here's a sampling: * Combating Stupidity
>* You Can Do Housework, Too.  * Parenting- No, It Doesn't End With Conception
>* How to Put the Toilet Lid Down.  * You Too Can Be a Designated Driver ...
>----End included article----

Today's paper has the followup.
In the Saturday Camera November 21
----Begin included article----
FEEDBACK / Responding to our readers
--Headline:--
Men jokes: For some readers they're nothing to snicker at

--readers calls:--
  "I'm referring to Talk of the 
Town Sunday.  I'm tired of male-
bashing, especially white-male 
bashing, and whining on the part 
of all minorities.  I'm tired of this 
paper printing things that will 
incite males and females to ar-
gue."

  "I'm calling from Columbus, 
Ohio.  I just received notification 
that you've published a story 
called 'Classes for males,' a joke 
list, typical male-basing.  By 
publishing only a  bunch of men's 
jokes and not publishing the 
equivalent for women, you're be-
ing sexist.  So you've got my 
opinion. I think you've stooped to 
sexism."

--Paper's comment:--
  Sexism?  Incitement to argue?
  From one item in Talk of the 
Town last Sunday?  From Ohio?
  I'd suggest that we're mainly 
guilty of running some old jokes.

----End included article----
It appears that the original posting got the attention of
a Columbus soc.men reader.  Good going.  We got a little
understanding in the headline.

-Ted
From: xenon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Androphobic Politicians
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:20:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Nov17.092002.2586
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Nov16.215303.12892@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu
 (SunCat) writes:

<stuff about which fancy greek term is best suited to describe man-hating
deleted>

> forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis) writes>
>> 
>> Do you remember something about the (an?) Art School at Ontario going 
>> radically PC, signing a resolution to hire no males for at least a 
>>   ^^^^^^^^^^
>> decade? 

That's not 'radical' PC... it is *CLASSIC* PC.  The very essence of PC is that
there is no such thing as being 'too far to the left'.  I guess 'radical' PC
would be something like rounding up incorrect thinkers and shipping them out
to labor camps a la Josef Stalin.

>> I'd like to track a newsreport down on this and follow up to see whether  
>> the 
>> Canadian court system permitted such gross sexist discrimination to  
>> stand.
>> 
>> Eric Forbis      forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu

> Robert Anton Wilson uses the term "Androphobia".  Since he wrote such an  
> outstanding article on it in _Magical Blend_ magazine, this is the term I  
> use.  Let me say it again Political Correctness does not exist.  The US  
> right wing created the hoax to neutralize any effect the Columbus  
> quincentenial might have had on election '92.  Since the term has infinite  
> definitions it can be used to attack anyone who bothers the speaker.  I  
> don't doubt that you are bothered, but you may not want to give energy to  
> the Right's propaganda machine.  IMHO they hate men more than the pro-ERA  
> crowd.

The first time I ever heard the term 'politically incorrect' it was used
by a radical feminist friend (now, sadly, a former friend) to describe anyone 
who deviates from the standard left-wing anti-white-male line, and even she 
found it somewhat oppressive at times.  The term was in vogue long before it was
exposed by Newsweek magazine, and is a perfect illustration of the essentially
totalitarian-fascist charactert of much of modern liberalism.  The notion that 
'political correctness' was created by the right wing is an absolute bare-faced
LIE promoted by some liberals who were embarrassed by such a blatant display of
fascistic tendencies in their own movement.

- xenon
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Darren MacKenzie)
Subject: Re: Mel Feit's Consensual Sex Contract
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:48:06 GMT

bf479@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Russell Jackson II) writes:


>I just saw on the show, "Hard Copy", that the attorney Mel Feit was recently
>distributing copies of a "Consensual Sex Agreement" in New York.

>Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this?

>Thanks in advance.
>bf479@cleveland.freenet.edu

>p.s. am also interested in any other such contracts

You could easily make your own.  I sort of made one before (moreso as a joke
than anything else...unfortunately now-a-days, it seems almost NECESSARY).
It went comething like:

I, _________________ do hereby agree to any sexual act, game, or any other
event that is even partially related to sex, including any form of
intercourse and/or penetration with _____________________, as of this date
forward, _________________.  Also, in doing so, I agree not to press any
charges of rape, sexual assult, assault, or any other such related
sexual or non-sexual crime with the above mentioned person.
				Signed: ___________________________
				Partner: __________________________
				Witness: _______________________ (optional)

Well, it went something like that.  Use your imagination, but if you're
going to make one, make it right...don't leave any chance for error that
could be used against you in court (i.e. "Well, he didn't state that if
we were to...".
-Doc

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Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Simon you're no ...
Followup-To: soc.men,alt.politics.homosexuality
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:23:37 GMT

Followups are directed out of soc.women.

In article <1992Nov22.120651.2640@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> xenon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:

>>>kc2@doc.ic.ac.uk (K Campbell) writes:
>>>
>>>>After a recent spate of particularly vicious and violent male rapes
>>>>in London ...
>>>>comment from leading
>>>>criminal psychologists about how it is unlikely that the incidents had
>>>>been carried out by gay men.  
>
>I agree that there is no *certainty* that the perpetrators of these crimes are
>gay, but why is it "unlikely"?   Are gays "kinder and gentler" than other men? 
>Gays don't rape?

Repeated violent rape by men of other men, for no reason other than
the rape itself, is more indicative of someone who has not come to
terms with their own sexuality than someone who has.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,talk.abortion
From: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy)
Subject: Re: Abortion and humanity
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:05:10 GMT

In article <92320.142727RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>-From: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy)
>-
>-I quote an old but useful pro-choice chant...
>-
>-A fetus ain't a person until it comes out
>-That's what birthdays are all about
>-
>-Lost Boy
>
>  You `lost' me.  Are we supposed to conclude that `if it rhymes, it must
>be true'?  If THAT is the logic, I am prepared to produce a couple of
>rhymes myself!!
>
>Rohit Parikh

You're right, that logic is almost as whacky as "If the Bible says it,
it must be true

Lost Boy



Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
From: aep@world.std.com (Andrew E Page)
Subject: Re: Male Bashing List Makes the Newspaper
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:37:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.002438.5494@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> weverka@spot.Colorado.EDU (Robert T. Weverka) writes:
>
>In the Sunday Camera November 15
>
>----Begin included article----
>
>
>*CLASSES FOR MALES
>
>  A flier is making its way along the
>Downtown Mall.  It offers a  list of so-
>called _Seminars for Men_, put on by
>female staffers at whatever office you
>happen to work.  Here's a sampling:
>* Combating Stupidity
>* You Can Do Housework, Too.
>* Parenting- No, It Doesn't End
>With Conception
>* How to Put the Toilet Lid Down.
>* You Too Can Be a Designated
>Driver ...
>
>
>----End included article----

In the spirit of equal time and equal rights, let's have
some seminars for women:

* Saying what you mean
* Men have bad days too.
* Changing your own tires.
* Picking up the check, a new experience
* Solving your own problems
* Committing emotionally
* Sex, just showing up is not enough.
* Appreciating your own bodies
-- 
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Mac Consultant                  |     The difference between what we are
Macintosh and DSP Technology    |           and what we want to be.
Xref: sparky soc.men:19438 soc.women:19755
From: alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Naked Man on Campus
Keywords: public nudity
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:44:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov17.104503.16363
Distribution: usa
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <BxtnDM.DG1@encore.com> aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich) writes:

>Yeah..I am curious as to why they `need' a special rule. I would think that
>they could just have him arrested for indecent exposure. Oh well, shows
>what I know..I guess. :-)
>So..to the point ( so to speak )..:-)

This obviously differs from community to community.  There are no
federal indecent exposure laws. 

>It doesn't bother me in public places where very many men are naked
>such as showers, locker rooms, swimming holes, etc. I think it might
>bother me in a classroom though. Although I personally prefer to wear
>no clothes at home or in private outdoor places, I do defer to 
>convention and wear them in public. I don't think I have the right to
>make others uncomfortable for my own comfort. Not to mention that I
>would not want to go to jail for it. :-)

But you aren't "forcing" someone to be uncomfortable.  If they have a
problem with nudity, it's their problem, not yours.  Just like if
someone has a phobia of the color blue, am I supposed to not wear blue
just so they won't have a fit?  (Analogy is not airtight, so if you
can say no more than rag on the analogy, we know you have nothing else
to say).  I think he's doing this just to point out how wired up
people can get about this.  And WHY?  When you see another person,
given you are an intelligent being, you have a pretty good idea of
what they look like naked.  So what is so disturbing about seeing
this?  Especially when you look very similar?  

[nudist colonies]
>They claim not to be.. I don't know for sure.

Is your running around the house nude/partially dressed about
sexuality?

>Any victim of violent crime, rape included, is STILL the victim no matter
>what. The perpetrator NEVER has the right, NO MATTER WHAT, to infringe on
>the persons personal space. PERIOD.

Why do all the people that seem to think this seemingly never chosen
for juries. 

amy
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Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,alt.feminism
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Simon you're no ...
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:24:02 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Nov23.204808.12112@dragon.acadiau.ca> 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Darren MacKenzie) writes:
>twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>Not-gay != straight.  Repressed homosexual desire?  Certainly.  Gay?
>>You've got to be kidding.
>
>I've got to say that I think that's a good point; but not good enough to
>make me believe that the attacker isn't gay.  Or even better, let me put
>it this way...if the attacker is NOT gay, as you say, then I'd say there
>is probably a pretty good chance that he will BECOME gay eventually.
>Is this any better?

    No.  If that were true, the thousands of prison inmates who are
introduced to male-male sex while incarcerated would continue the
homosexual behavior when released.  There is no evidence to indicate that
this occurs.

-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Subject: Re: Naked Man on Campus
Organization: Michigan State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:57:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.104503.16363@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Amy Young Leith"  
<alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
> In article <BxtnDM.DG1@encore.com> aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)  
writes:
[...]
> >Any victim of violent crime, rape included, is STILL the victim no  
matter
> >what. The perpetrator NEVER has the right, NO MATTER WHAT, to infringe  
on
> >the persons personal space. PERIOD.
> 
> Why do all the people that seem to think this seemingly never chosen
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> for juries. 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> amy
> -- 
> alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu for personal mail
> 			    All business mail to  
alyoung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
>  
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fool.
Perhaps because the defence objects.


=========SunCat++++     | kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu
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 own an adequate supply of capital"
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Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,alt.feminism
Newsgroups: soc.men

	
	Hi Ron...

	I too have heard 100's of times that rape has nothing to
	do with sex.... it is all violence...

	And of course that kind of statement is a bunch of garbage
	(and reflects poorly on the thinking processes of those who
	make it).  It is often stated by people who adopt opinions
	rather than forming them.

	We all have heard the statistics on date rape and how women
	across this country (not all) consider 'pressuring' a woman 
	(notice, not men, only women) to have sex, is a form of rape.

	These instances have EVERYTHING to do with sex....

	Feminists often seen to want it both ways.... rape is pure
	violence.... and then on the other hand, damned near any
	sexual contact is considered rape.

	The fact is...  rape can be violent... or it can be sexual
	or it can be both...

	Try to steer clear of those that would make absolute claims.
	They probably just have an agenda, and could care less about
	facts.

	-Mike-

Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,alt.feminism
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Back Again To Father
X-To: DON BEAVER
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:45:00 GMT

beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes...
DB> In article <1csnmlINNg7s@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah
DB> ) writes:

DB> >Are you going
DB> >to keep a genetic bank with identifying information on all the men in
DB> >the world, so you can check who matches the foetus?

DB> Sounds like a great idea for enforcing child support!  Look for it
DB> in the next election.  Who needs Social Security numbers any more?

DB> Maybe we'll even be able to identify the Deadbeat gene.  We already
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
DB> know it's located on the Y chromosome.
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd have put *that* as my new .sig quote, but it's too long...

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Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,talk.abortion
From: btwomey@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (William J. Twomey  908 615 4162)
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Bill Clinton
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:51:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.180426.165168@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> bbw@freckle.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brenton Williams) writes:
>In article <6934@grus.cs.nps.navy.mil>, shimeall@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (timothy shimeall) writes:
>
>|> In article <1992Nov9.070302.26503@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
...
>|> >It never suffers. Please try to make a reasonable comparison.
>|> 
>|> Wrong.  There are several young people who have survived an attempt to
>|> kill them during an abortion (usually, a saline abortion).  I've spoken
>|> to one of them, and she spoke of the suffering she experienced
>|> 
>
>     Wrong.
>     Mr Darcy was talking about "an aborted child".
>     The person you spoke to WAS NOT ABORTED.

You are so right!  That person was alive.
Abortion involves killing.

>Brenton Williams                                      

Bill Twomey
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,alt.feminism
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Back Again To Father
X-To: BETH DIANE GARFINKEL
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:31:00 GMT

bgarfink@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (beth diane garfinkel) writes...
BDG> In <1992Oct26.163418.23978@ils.nwu.edu> lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch) w
BDG> :
BDG> >Before I get mis-labeled AGAIN, let me say that I too believe that notific
BDG> >of the father before deciding on an abortion should be the norm, but I'm n
BDG> >at all sure how to phrase the law to avoid the evident problems.

BDG> >Particularly if part of the pro-abortion reasoning is that of being unable
BDG> >raise the child.  The father may well be ready, willing, and able to take
BDG> >that task alone.
BDG> >--
BDG> But is he ready, willing, and able to take on the task of carrying the
BDG> child for nine months alone?  Think about it.

Of course!  And I'll even wager that for every woman who doesn't feel ready
for the challenge, there is at least one man who would gladly take her place.

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