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From: jardined@qucis.queensu.ca (Donald Jardine)
Subject: 2.1B, 1542b and diskette 9
Keywords: OS2, Adaptec, installation
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:17:43 GMT

The old diskette 9 problem still exists in 2.1 beta.  I have an Adaptec
1542B, and when diskette 9 of the install set starts loading, the 
error message about a read error on the diskette drive appears.  Waiting
for the hard disk to quiece allows continuation of the install.  

This has been around for at least 1 year (I, and many others, encountered
it as far back as 6.177).

1.  A 386/486 is a very intelligent CPU.
2.  IBM has many really excellent programmers and designers.
3   The Adaptec 1542B is a reasonably intelligent interface.
4   Adaptec has also many very good people.

Question: with all this intellectual and electronic horsepower available, 
after all these releases since 6.177, is it really impossible to fix this bug?
It's one thing to have a bunch of expert users, with internet access, 
 bypass it.  
It's quite another to require the general computing public deal with it. 
Installation _must_ be idiot-proof.  

Donald Jardine, Software Technology Laboratory, Comp. Sci. Dept.,
Queen's Univ. Kingston Ont. Ph (613) 545 6070 Fax (613) 545 6513

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Question Re: OS/2 2.1 Beta PDK CD-ROM Now Available
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:05:43 GMT

In <1993Jan4.191358.9649@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:

>The OS/2 Hotline (telephone 800-3-IBM-OS2) is now accepting orders for
>the December OS/2 2.1 Beta Professional Developer's Kit CD-ROM.  The
>CD number is 122292, and the cost is $15 (a shipping charge).  This
>number is good in the United States only.  This CD-ROM should be
>shipping in about one week.  It includes the new OS/2 2.1 beta of the
>base operating system.

>If you have details on how to order from outside the United States,
>please post.


I'm sure this is an FAQ, but just what exactly is the OS/2 Professional
Developers Kit?

 Why would I want this? And can just anybody get this?


 Maybe I can find a CD-ROM drive to use somewhere.  I kind of doubt one on
a DECStation would work. :(
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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Subject: Re: To XGA-2 or not
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:35:16 GMT

sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:

>Would you believe that, in one of the recent roundups of accelerated
>SuperVGA adapters, Diamond was claiming that its 2.0 driver was
>available upon request?

I'll be calling them today about this.  I'd be really surprised if the 
24X was fully supported under OS/2 2.0.

>XGA-2 from IBM is available now.  IBM sells a Microchannel version in
>the U.S.  Radius and a couple other companies are slated to deliver AT
>bus XGA-2 adapters this month.  (Outside the U.S., IBM sells an AT bus
>XGA-2 adapter.)

What other companies do you know of?  I'd like to give them a call and
post my findings.

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From: platinum@montage.UUCP (Doug Swallow)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Info wanted on Adaptec 1542C <-- "C"
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:11:31 GMT
Organization: Software Environments, Inc.

Recently in this newsgroup a few people have mentioned that Adaptec will be
releasing a new version of the 1542 SCSI adapter (1542C).

If anyone has more details (when/what's new/cost) I'd like to know more.

Thanks!

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Did microsoft really write an OS/2 "Terminator" crash prog?
Keywords: terminator microsoft crash
Date: 6 Jan 93 03:29:29 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1993Jan4.180535.25229@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>As for IBM's protecting themselves, they should just setup their
>workstations to remote-boot OS/2 off of a LAN.  They designed LAN
>Manager to support this, so they should do it.  Then nobody at a
>workstation can affect the configuration of the boot sequence.

RIPL is supported on LAN Server, at least.

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From: gasman1@netcom.com (David A. Silva)
Subject: Re: 2.1 beta:  is it possible to install directly from the cd-rom?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:07:29 GMT

Andy Poulsen (apoulsen@athena.mit.edu) wrote:
: from the postings i've seen on the 2.1 beta (since i arrived back from
: vacation) it appears to me that it is not possible to install the 2.1
: beta directly from the cd-rom i.e. you have to create floppies from the
: cd-rom and then install.  is this in fact the case?  or am i mistaken
: (hopefully) and it's possible to install directly?

Andy
To install from the CD you need to make 2 diskettes to boot from. After
they boot thru, everything else is copied from the CD.
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From: pickrell@hoss.unl.edu (Andrew Pickrell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Trap 000d during installation
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:54:16 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hoss.unl.edu
Summary: Help with installatio of 2.1 beta
Keywords: trap 000d, 2.1  beta

After inserting the second floppy and it working off that for a while, I
get a trap 000d.  Someone else suggested that I rem out the set deldir
variable in my config.sys (2.0 config) and try again.  Well, that didn't
work.

Since beta support is through Compuserve, I will post here again.  The
problem system is a Compaq 486/25 with trantor t-128 scsi card and 
NEC-36 cdrom.  These are working just fine under 2.0.

The beta installation disks were made and modified to include the new
add file.  These disks work in both a generic 486/33 clone and a
Gateway 2000 (not generic ;) ) 486/33.  So, they are not the problem.
The only difference I see is neither of these systems had 2.0 and the
Compaq does.

Any help????  I would like to install directly over and not reinstall
everything until I get tape backup (BackMaster probably).

Thanks,
Andy


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From: daleg@mks.com (Dale Groves)
Subject: Re: ATI Graphics Ultra +, 2MB, works ??? 
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:58:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.151209.17945@informatik.uni-bremen.de> algo33@p112.informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE (Frank Hartmann) writes:
>I could get an ATI Graphics Ultra + with 2 MB very cheep.
>Will I have any problems with drivers or so under OS/2 ??
>Somebody told me about problems with more than 8 MB RAM ...
>
>Frank Hartmann

One of the ways ATI tries to improve performance is by mapping the 2MB of
video ram into the first 16MB of address space, in order to avoid having to
page the video ram in and out through A000-BFFF.  Of course, if you have 16MB
of ram installed, there is nowhere to perform this mapping.  There are 
drivers available from ATI which allow use of the accelerator features without
using the memory window for the video ram.

I am using the card under dos, windoze and os2 in a 486/50 with 16MB of ram
quite happily...

daleg


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From: weberj@azu.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Juergen Weber)
Subject: how stop os/2 logging in discs continually ?
Originator: weberj@azu
Organization: Informatik, Uni Stuttgart, Germany
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:33:41 GMT

I am working on a CP/M emulator for msdos.
This emulator can use original cp/m discs.

When I use the emulator in a VDM OS/2 tries to 
access the disc and for some seconds after the keyboard
in the VDM is locked.
Is there a setting to restrain OS/2 from logging in
discs ?

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: bangell@cs.utah.edu (bob angell)
Subject: Software to write diskette images
Date: 10 Jan 93 08:54:30 MST
Distribution: w


  I received some software that is on 5.25" diskettes and it would
  be very inconvenient to switch cables around for this one system.
	(the 5.25" diskettes contain an Operating System)

  What I am looking for is a piece of software that will take the 
  disk-image and write it to a file, then I can use the OS/2 version
  of "makeimage" to write those images back to 3.5" diskettes.  Anyone
  have any clues/ideas ???

  Thanks for you help.

  -Bob-

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: kaul@vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: To XGA-2 or not
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 16:13:11 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: kaul@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In <31045.1088.uupcb@satalink.com> bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler) writes:
>JM>Just how monitor-dependent is the DMQS file? Do I have to get one
>JM>specifically for a Sony CPD1302, or do I just need one for
>JM>800x600xhowever-many-colors-it-supports mode? What's _in_ there, anyway?

Bert's answer is right.  Just something "close enough" to the resolution and
refresh you want and it should work, provided your syncs and blanking also
are within tolerances.  If you have a real multisync (and not just multiple
fixed frequencies) it's pretty easy to pick something "close enough."  Those
people with fixed frequency monitors have to be more careful and look at the
specs a bit more before customizing.

>It would sure seem to me that a well-written XGA/XGA-2 driver could
>run any old oddball resolution a DMQS entry chooses to describe
>(maybe a 1024x1024 resolution on a square monitor?), as long as the
>driver picks up all of its resolution-dependent information from
>that entry.  Then again, maybe that's because I've never had to write
>one.

What would you say to 1360x1024 for a good aspect ratio on a 9517?  Kind of
oddball, but I think it looks nicer than 1280x1024.  Naturally, this isn't
an officially supported mode (at least with the 2.0 reference disk -- I'm
not completely sure if it's on the 2.02 beta disk or not), but I mention this
as a way of saying that the OS/2 and Windoze drivers should support that kind
of strange size.

Still, I have to say that I really like being able to change the resolution
just by editing the file.  For example, you can do strange things like an
800x600x64k color mode on an 8515 where the screen is just a block in the
middle of the normal 1024x768 mode for those times when you want more colors
but have a fixed frequency monitor.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: Volkmar.Stegmann@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Volkmar Stegmann)
Subject: How to change icons
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:00:57 GMT

Is there a easier way to change an object-icon than to go to the settings,
general and than change it. Is it possible to change some kinds of icons
totally (for example the folders).
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: lyle@netcom.com (Lyle Fong)
Subject: Diamond Stealth Anyone? Help...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:18:24 GMT

I had bought OS/2 2.0 via the Windows promotion deal a while ago.. and has
.. err.. had since taken OS/2 off my hard drive.  Now, my system is
completely changed from the original setup,.. and now I use a Diamond
Stealth VRAM video card instead of my old Orchid Prodesigner II.
I noticed Diamond has yet to release an OS/2 driver for it.. I don't seem
to recall whether OS/2 had a built in VESA driver or not.. or whether
there are even VESA drivers available.  Do the CSD's include some drivers
that allow the Stealth to run in SVGA mode?  Any help would be
appreciated..  I really don't want to go through erasing my HD and
installing OS/2 again just to find out I can't use SVGA w/ it. =(
(I also noticed Orchid has a driver for it's Fahrenheit 1280.. does
that work for the Stealth?)

Thank you for your time..

Lyle

lyle@netcom.com

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From: francis@ese.ogi.edu (Francis Moraes)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Copying from X-Windows to OS/2 Windows
Date: 11 Jan 93 00:29:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48319
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute - Department of Env. Science and Eng.

It is almost pure bliss; copying data from one X window on my machine to
another; copying data from one OS/2 window to another.  If only I could
copy data from my X windows to my OS/2 windows... Is there any way to make
the PMX copy buffer the same as the OS/2 copy buffer? Just think how happy
you would make me... :)

Francis Moraes
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Subject: C-Kermit?
Uucp-Path: mcvax!kth!sunic!enea.se!tope
Reply-To: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Organization: Enea Data AB, Sweden
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:58:37 GMT

Does anyone have a compiled C-Kermit for OS/2 ver 1.3 they could
send me? Alternatively an EXACT path to it on an FTP site (I have
no direct access to FTP, just through a BITFTP/FTPMAIL server, so
I can't search around for the file).

Email answers preferred!

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From: geiri@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Geir Inge Jensen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: 2E8 contra 2E8H ?
Date: 12 Jan 93 07:47:58 GMT
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

I have a problem with my internal 2400 modem. It works fine with DOS programs
under OS/2 with this line in the config.sys file:

DEVICE=D:\OS2\COM.SYS (3,3E8H,10) (4,2E8H,5)

But the problem is that OS/2 wont accept either of these. OS/2 seems to
expect 3E8 and 2E8, but my modem requires 3E8H or 2E8H!

Then the question is:
How do I manage to get OS/2 to accept 2E8H as a valid com port ?

Geir Inge
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Tseng ET4000, 640 x 480, ***24-bit***, under PM?
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:11:45 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1993Jan8.074810.11670@samba.oit.unc.edu> Brandon.Vanevery@launchpad.unc.edu (Brandon Vanevery) writes:
>I've been told you can display a 640 x 480 x 24-bit screen with a Tseng ET4000
>card under a full screen DOS window.  But can U do it directly under the
>OS/2 Presentation Manager?

Not yet.

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: MSCDEX in OS/2
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:55:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.154627.26421@apgea.army.mil> rcmerrit@apgea.army.mil (Robert C. Merritt <rcmerrit>) writes:
>Anyways, is there a version of mscdex.exe that works with os/2's verson of
>dos? I want to run my CD-rom from a dos window/or full screen but all it
>ever says is "incorrect dos version". I tried adding to my dos_version
>settings:
>mscdex.exe,5,00,255
>and when that didn't work I tried:
>mscdex.exe,4,01,255.
>now I can get it to load in a VDM with msdos 5.00 but since I can't load it
>high, there isn't room enough to run t of the programs I have for the bleedin
>thing!

Yes you can, if you use the memory management files provided in
\OS2\MDOS (not the ones provided with MS-DOS 5.00).  See Appendix E of
your Installation Guide and/or the online Command Reference under
VMDISK for further instructions.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: CEGR01@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Tom Rubinstein)
Subject: Re: 2.1b ftpable again !
Organization: Motorola
Date: 12 Jan 1993 09:59:45 CST

      ------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: u7822042@cc2.nctu.edu.tw
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: 2.1b ftpable again !
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:51:10 GMT
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


Hi all,

	I find that Hobbes open the directory /pub/os2/2.1/beta again. I

think they won't close it this time. Enjoy 2.1b freely and send bugs reports

to IBM !

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What is the ip address or alias of Hobbes?

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: kvien@Elkraft.Unit.NO (Oddgeir Kvien)
Subject: Problem installing OS/2 2.1 (winos2)
Reply-To: kvien@Elkraft.Unit.NO (Oddgeir Kvien)
Organization: University of Trondheim
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 16:46:25 GMT

I am having a problem installing the OS/2 2.1 beta. When I reach disk 13
my system can not read it. This onely happens when I am installing winos2.
I have installed the rest of it an then it is no problem with disk 13.
I have alsoe tryed selective install and got the same probleme when I
am trying to install winos2. This is onely happening at my maschine at my 
office, at my home computer there is no problem. 
When I try a selective install and after getting the probleme I close the
sellective install program, then I am not able to read anny diskett i A.
I get the message: Sector not found (ore something similar), I have to
reboot my computer to be able to read A again.

My hardware:

ISA-486 main board, SIS85C401/SIS85C402
Super I/O card (that says my documentation)
   It is a IDE with 3.5" FD and 200MB Conner and Com1&2 and Printer
   and game port.
ET4000 video card
16 MB ram
3Com Eterlink II network card


My sugestion is that OS/2 are getting some problem with the diskcontroller?



Oddgeir
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From: widow@camelot.bradley.edu (Shaun Burnett)
Subject: Re: Making a hardcard, the boot drive for OS/2
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  4 Jan 93 23:15:38 GMT

In <1i3btcINNogi@news.umbc.edu> gottlieb@umbc8.umbc.edu (Robert Gottlieb) writes:

>I just installed OS/2 and unfortunately couldn't figure out how
>to get it to install to my hardcard.  I'm using a Quantum Hardcard
>XL 105.  I got the new drivers from their BBS, so at least OS/2

	This was a dream I had long ago when I first installed OS/2.
	The problem is that OS/2 wants to be able to write drive,
	before the driver had been loaded.  Since the driver has to
	be loaded before writing to the disk can occur, it's a no go.

	You could relocate the swapper.dat file to the hardcard, by
	changing the path reference in the config.sys.  I suppose you
	could also move the mini-apps and such to your hardcard also.
	This may become tedious after a couple of installations.

	Being a Hard Card owner, here are some things you'll need to
	keep in mind ...

	- When you go to install the SPP make sure you replace the
	SPP IBM1S506.ADD with the GA version (Disk 2).  (The
	alternative is to remove the Hard Card for the install.)

	- After you reboot the SPP you'll need to boot from an DOS or
	OS/2 floppy (OS/2 floppy if OS/2 is installed on a HPFS
	partition) or DOS (if OS/2 is installed on a DOS partition),
	and replace the SPP IBM1S506.ADD with the GA version.  (The
	alternative is to remove the Hard Card for the boot so that
	you can replace the file.)

	- If you have an SVGA card, you may want to change the address
	on the card via the dip switches (if in the default setting).
	If you do this before you install the SPP, it will prevent the
	OS/2 installation program from thinking that you have an XGA
	card installed and installing the XGA drivers.   (No big
	problem if you don't feel like changing the address.    See
	below.)

	- Make sure that when you use SVGA.EXE to generate the
	svgadata.pmi that the Adapter type and ChipSet listed in the
	svgadata.pmi file reflect your actual SVGA Card.
	Problem:  OS/2 will think you have an XGA card installed if
	you haven't corrected the address conflict.  (The alternative
	is to boot standard DOS, run "SVGA.EXE ON" and copy the
	svgadata.pmi to the "\OS2" directory.)


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