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From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000: R. U. Sirius
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 20:07:32 GMT

larry@csccat.cs.com (Larry Spence) writes:

>In article <1992Aug13.014008.11037@uvm.edu> sjc@moose.uvm.edu (Steve Cavrak) writes:
>>
>>[ Mondo 2000: A User's Guide to the New Edge ] is something of
>>an introductory course on Mondo - Mondo 101, if you will. It
>>also includes the "Mondo Shopping Mall," a catalog of products [...]

>Isn't it interesting how M2000 never hypes anything that's free 
>(e.g., self-alteration of consciousness without drugs/electronics)? 
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
These are surely useful and beneficial, they just take too long.

>There's always some new device/technology/smartdrug/vitamin/video 
>that's massively overpriced... [...] sounds like a Sharper Image [...]
>for cyberpunks.

It may be sad, but true that the *cyber* in *cyberpunk* isn't gonna
be free or even cheap. Recall in fiction that deck cowboys typically
had good jobs before their plummet into financial/psychological ruin.

There's something to be said for having some loose bux. Read FM-2030's
_R.U.A.Transhuman?_. The poverty-stricken agrarian technopeasant of
the future will probably have a neat, cheap deck, but he'll still be
tilling the fields himself.

Now, of course, no single human ('cept B.Gates) may be able to afford
all the products in the M2K catalog, BUT A CONSORTIUM OF CYBERPUNK
NIGHTCLUB INVESTORS COULD!!!!!!:-)

	-Mike

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From: wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill)
Subject: Spell check  was Re: 'Sneakers'...
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:58:47 GMT

In article knappenp@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Trent) writes:
>In article boyce@amo.mit.edu (Kevin Boyce) writes:
>>
>>Very interesting, considering that 'Dan Aykroyd' has two y's in it....
>>Or is this someone other than Elwood Blues?
>
>Are you sure about tht spelling of his last name?
>
I live in Ottawa, where Dan Aykroyd was raised.  This is the 
correct spelling of his name.

---tom

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From: tychay@juliet.caltech.edu (Chay, Terrence Y.)
Subject: CP Mag (was Re: Books)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  Mondo 2000 in other formats?
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:29:00 GMT

 response to article <1992Aug13.00336.3754@src.umd.edu>
               tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) writes... 

>OK, what would be the most available form for distributing a mixed
>text-graphic and perhaps sound-movie newsletter?

  a tv and a vcr ;-)

>I know neural-net researchers use Postscript their ftp site for
>sending out pre-prints of journal papers.  However, PS doesn't appear
>to be the most efficient medium of transporting and viewing information,
>although it makes it easy to print it out on paper (yuck!).

  hey wait, i use postscript (feel free to cringe).  in other sciences, most
people use TeX.  apprently the best TeX program for the PC is free.  to hear
people tell me about TeX it seems to be extremely good for the paper
media (yes yuck!) making the output easily readable, (very little of those
macintosh outputs with 50 different fonts/page.)

>What about desktop publishing programs?  Is there a package which
>can be used on both PC and Macs (i.e. two programs, but can exchange
>files)?

  yes, pagemaker i think does.  do you have $500? i sold my last copy.
  but wouldn't that discriminate against amiga users and atari 2600's?
  (oh no i feel the flames coming-- with my video toaster...)  seriously,
  a page layout program is not necessary, unless you are printing on paper!
  (and if you are, then the program doesnt matter as long as it's output
   is PS or TeX, so everyone can read it)

  just keep to standard formats: gifs, jpgs, ascii, etc.  let god sort it out.

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Publishers and that lot
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 06:36:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <leebal.714488752@teal> leebal@teal.csn.org (Lee Ballentine) writes:
>All of which explains why the short story collection is a dying
>niche of specialty publishing. Since sales of these collections are
>usually much smaller than sales of novels (self-fulfilling
>prediction?)... most writers won't give their collection to a
>major publisher at all. 

	Do you have any actual data about this?  I know several writers who
have sold short story collections, some of them to more than one publisher
(for instance, Bruce Sterling's _Crystal Express_ came out in a small hardbound
edition from Arkham House, then became a mass market paperback), and I don't
know of a single writer who has refused to sell a story collection to a major
publisher.

-- 
				Tom Maddox
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		   "I swear I never heard the first shot"
                Wm. Gibson, "Agrippa:  a book of the dead"
From: merlin@fennec.sccsi.com (Lorne Naff)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: NC/Invitatiuon for Psychoanalysys.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:02:33 CST
Organization: Fennec Information Systems, Houston, Texas USA

petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly) writes:

> In article <B9NBPB1w165w@fennec.sccsi.com> merlin@fennec.sccsi.com (Lorne Naf
  { My stuff eleted }
> May I posit that you are gaining a feeling of independence, of identity by
> stepping away from the crowd.  Everyone needs to know who they are.  Some
> choose to find out by contrasting with the crowd.
> 
> petesk@microsoft.com
> My Opinions.

   Thanks for responding.   I figured as much, I'm more iterested in Why 
I am these days.  Independance has never been a problem, any similairties 
between me and my parents ave always been volutary.  As I said, I had a 
`perfect' reltaionship with them, or nearly.  ( Not anywhere as bad as 
most of my peers.)
 /// & ///
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (cyberpunk)
Subject: Re: c-punk and etc.
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Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 16:40:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.735.3731@channel1> "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com> writes:
|
|Uh, for those of us who might buy Cyberpunk Cereal for breakfast,
|what does an anarchy logo look like, please?
|

An 'A' with a circle around it...

I'm cuckoo for cyber puffs...:)

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From: doom@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner)
Subject: Re: Latest Mondo 2000
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: alt
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:50:47 GMT

kekims@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Ken Kindler) writes:

>Joseph Brenner writes:

>>Mondo has got a cool style, and sometimes cool content.  But
>>bringing them together, integrating them, that's the trick.
>>
>>I've got a few ideas on ways to do this...  Maybe I'll polish
>>them up and submit a few of them. 

>	Hmm, have you read their little statement about unsolicited submissions
>that is thrown somewhere on the credits page? It says something to the effect
>that all unsolicited submissions are taken out and burned under the full moon.
>You may want to contact them before you send anything in....

No, I'd forgotten about that.  Sorry to hear it, actually...
I've always thought that editors that don't read their own
slush piles were lazy and irresponsbile... but what else
would you expect from R.U., anyway?  

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From: neufeld@math.lsa.umich.edu (Russell Neufeld )
Subject: Re: Ender's Game
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:31:15 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, Mathematics Department, Ann Arbor
Originator: neufeld@wolverine.math.lsa.umich.edu


Ender's Game is a fantastic book, but in *no* way is it cyberpunk.  Neither
is anything Heinlein ever wrote for that matter.  Anyone who says these
books are doesn't have a clue as to what cyberpunk is.  

(Let the flames begin . . . )

Russell Neufeld
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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (technobabblist, m.d.)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000,Ono Sendi
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 03:40:50 GMT

In article <Aug.13.15.37.05.1992.1660@presto.ig.com> king@largo.ig.com
(Edward J. King) writes: 
|
|  I think the ONO-SENDAI ad had a ma bell net number with it.  Why not
|give them a call and see if they exist?

They're real.  They're on the net - look around a bit and you'll find 'em...

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From: petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly)
Subject: Re: Non-conformism
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:53:43 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug11.163013.1481@skynet.uucp> ice@skynet.uucp (Ice) writes:
>
>If that's _all_ they do in their attempts to be non-conformist, I'd laugh
>in their face. I want to hear about their work on stealth viruses, or
>making another internet worm (fuck you robert morris, you fucked up), or
>a plan to disseminate an electronic version of The Anarchist Cookbook.

I while back someone posted an electronic version of TBBBOM
(The Bad Boys Book of Mischief).  I think it was on alt.pyrotechnics.
Ask there, and someone should be able to repost or send it to you.

As for viruses, well, people say they write them 'cause they are
against the establishment.  Well, generally they tend to hurt folk
like secerataries, home users, etc.  Are they the establishment you
are out to hurt?  Or Schools.  Any real establishment installation is
going to have security far to nasty for most virus hackers to deal
with.  As for banks and all, well, if you come up with a way to break
the DES, well, try to let us know before the NSA squelches you.
(wow, I just had gov't folk read my message!!!  two keywords at least)

If you want to go against the establishment, do it in a way that counts.
Start electronic publishing.  Figure out what's wrong with the establishment
and point it out.  If you don't like something, don't go trying to break
things.  Try to fix things.

Soapbox mode: off

>>It's a question of non-conforming to what.
>
>Perhaps, it's a question of the _extent_ to which they don't conform. It
>would be stupid to wear Dox and shave your head in your office job just to
>be non-conformist. You'd be out on your ass.

I'd rather not be a non-conformist.  I'd rather just be myself.
>
>It might be better to just have Oakley mumbos dangling from your hankie pocket. 
>Agreed. You know, this is wearing thin. Back to the neural net simulation...

Ahh, neural nets.  Yet another name for nonlinear matrix algebra.

;) ;) ;)

petesk@microsoft.com
My Opinions...
From: Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bret Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000 History
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 18:15:44 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/1110.1 - Flying High!, Marietta OH

Jeremiah Blatz of 1:226/20 wrote to All of 1:226/20
on <Aug 07 at 00:21>

 JB> From: Jeremiah.Blatz@dartmouth.edu (Jeremiah Blatz)
 JB> Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk 
 JB> Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

 JB> In article <malcolm.712958891@wrs.com>
 JB> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:

 JB> From the M2K Issue 7 back order list there is (available) High
 JB> Frontiers #4, Reality Hackers #5, M2K #'s 1-7.


   Where can I find the above mags?

                       Bret Johnson

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From: Scott Abfalter <thx1138@angus.mi.org>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Publishers and that lot 
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:18:50 EDT
Reply-To: thx1138@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS


You know, I had always assumed that book publishers has some sort of 
deal going with booksellers to give them X amount of books in each 
genre and that the publishers decided what was going to go out there.

I never knew that the booksellers took the time to review all of those
books and decide what to get.  Too bad --I would imagine that some fine
books are never on display just because some bonehead at a bookstore
didn't think it would sell. 

TH
X

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From: drennan@acfcluster.nyu.edu (XIXAX)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000: R. U. Sirius
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:08:48 GMT
Organization: New York University

In article <Bt97tF.BL3@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>, kinsler@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler) writes:
> In <1992Aug19.104927.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu> Dany Drennan writes in part:
>>
>>I would venture that heirarchies are a male construct. Corporate companies
>>headed up by women are more likely to show concentric or "spider web" set ups,
>>with one person in the middle, but everyone on the same level, as it were.
>>
> Oh, give me a break. I would venture to say that you have just changed one 
> label ("top") to another ("middle"). The difference being "middle" doesn't
> have the same negative connotations as "top". There is still a distinction 
> between where the power resides and where it is applied. "top - bottom" has 
> just been relabelled "middle - edge". And in a heirarchy there is no 
> inside/outside - everyone is in the centre... :-)
> 
> If you want to claim a distinction between "male" and "female" strategies
> of organisation (and I am prepared to believe there is one), then you 
> should perhaps (IMveryveryveryHO:-) be a little more precise.

The point being (and sorry if I was not clear) that in a pyramid heirarchy, the
person on the bottom rung has no access to the person at the top; while in a
web structure, the ACCESS to the middle person is not cut off, since everyone
is on the same level. I was not trying
to imply that there was no power trip involved, just that as power trips go,
some are more equitable than others. I will try to find the article I read this
in, if you would like...it was in the New York Times Biz section, I believe. 
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From: tripstr@cats.ucsc.edu (Christopher Todd Courtois)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: TECH GAP
Summary: Gap between the knowledge and the people
Date: 17 Aug 92 03:18:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu



	I went to a really interesting public lecture this past
	week at IBM's Almaden research center, and it struck
	me that while the topic being discussed (nanotechnology
	tools and structures) was of general interest to a wide
	variety of hardcore hackers and cyberpunks,  the
	audience was small and consisted mainly of standard-issue
	pure scientists and esoteric engineers.

	What really frightens me about occasions such as this is
	that they demonstrate that while nanotechnology and
	cybertech have a great potential for empowering the
	average person, the development of these technologies is
	still following the traditional one-way flow of information.
	That is, large corporations, the government, and universities
	create new knowledge, and individuals consume it.  There is
	still a tremendous knowledge gap between those who are
	developing technology and those who use it, and this is
	wrong.  

	I like to hack and I'm always coming across people who are
	impressed because I can make an LED blink.  This is damn
	simple technology that any five year old could master, and yet
	there still seems to be this barrier between people and the
	technology they use in everyday life.  

	I'm not sure what the point of my ranting is, other than I wish
	more people would stop believing that they *can't* understand
	technology, and "just do it".  So, if you're a person who is
	interested in cyberpunk, virtual reality, or nanotech, don't
	just read about this stuff: try to make it happen!  We've all
	seen enough of this technology to know it's something we want
	to be able to use to release our creativity,  but now we need
	to get down to work and empower the average person with these
	fantastic tools.

	Food for thought....
From: boyce@amo.mit.edu (Kevin Boyce)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: LEDs  [was Re: Books]
Summary: kill yourself for fun
Keywords: stupid flashing moron
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:28:51 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner) writes:
>acsbk@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>> Now this I like. a few other good ones: 
>> Hook a variable speed strobe light to your grill and change the
>> stroboscopic  frequency while approaching an intersection.
>
>one of my friends hooked up some strobes underneath his rusted
>out Honda. he had a great CD player/stereo system in it tho', and
>would cruise into town playing thunder & lighting or jet engine
>sound effects while the strobe lit up the ground around him.

Better yet.  Get one of those asinine fuck-up-your-depth-perception
flashing *red* LED things for your bike, and put it on the *front*.
Ride around at night on the wrong side of the street.

In Boston.

--------
Kevin		boyce@amo.mit.edu
"Ever tell your kids your glad that they can think?"  --FZ
From: cblandy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Blandy)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Non-conformity/Cyberpunk
Summary: Wear what you want..
Keywords: Cyberpunk clothing
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:10:13 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

In article <1992Aug11.063120.27808@microsoft.com> petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly) writes:
>What's wrong with wearing T-shirts and Jeans.  I mean really, it's
>not what you wear, but why.  I wear T-shirts and Jeans 'cause they
>are inexpensive and comfortable, not to mention versitile.

Really...clothes can be an expression of social/political beliefs, but
their real purpose is to shield us from our environment (And our
self-conscience..)

[...]

>Fashion is a method of expression.  If you say that you are expressing
>yourself to rebel agains society, this may be true.  But is that the
>base reason.  Or are you rebelling against societ to gain the approval
>of a group of people (those pretentious people who wear "black").
>Be honest about it, but don't tell me, 'cause I don't care if you're
>rebelling or not.  Only why.
>
>petesk@microsoft.com
>My Opinions...

Exactly...express yourself in a more constructive way.  Wearing all black
or whatever to distance yourself from society only ruins your chances of
sharing your own ideas about life/society/etc with society.  Keep your
free mind but let go of your fashion-rebellion.

cblandy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly)
Subject: Re: Books
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:13:26 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug18.131426.5535@cis.umassd.edu> acsbk@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>>> Hook a variable speed strobe light to your grill and change the
>>> stroboscopic  frequency while approaching an intersection.
>>
>
>Actually the idea with the strobes has to do with those little lumps on the
>traffic lights in major cities' intersections.
>

Yes, If you hit a certain frequency, all the lights at the
intersection turn red.  Then you have to stop.  Not quite
that useful, unless you're chasing someone.

petesk@microsoft.com
My Opinions...


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Latest Mondo 2000
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:45:10 GMT

In article <doom.713762843@elaine36.Stanford.EDU> doom@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner) writes:
>What I'd like to see is an article about how to build a baby
>spy "satelite": take a radio controlled model airplane,
>mount a CCD camera and transmitter on it with some simple
>optics (pinhole even?) and see what kind of pictures you can
>get... 

I've seen this done in an RC Airplane modelling mag.  The RC airplane
is definately a mature technology, and can be gotten into 
(well enough to fly a camera) at about $300.

The camera system is also mature technology.  Even colour CCD cameras
about the size of a cigarette pack are available for $400-$600.
It would be hard to home brew this element...the companies I'm familiar
with did a great job of miniaturization.

Amateur Television transmitter ~$100, receiver would be more costly,
like $500.  These elements can be home-brewed for significant cost
savings. 


Easily done under $2K...

-Thomas
 N3HAU