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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: "Standard" is the Federation's standard language in the 24th Cent.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:17:51 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <1993Jan25.030726.18574@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge) writes:

>Nasty Klingon Troublemaker In Bar, to Scotty: "...half the quadrant knows it.
>That's why they're learning to speak Klingoni."

Actually, it was "That's why they're learning to speak Klingonese."
From: CXIR@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXIR)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Best Episode
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:02:49 GMT
Organization: McGill University


  ==== >1) Yesterday's Enterprise
  ==== >2) Best of both worlds
  ==== >3) Deja Q
  ==== >--
  ==== >Jan Peters         |E-Mail: jnpeters@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de  +
  ==== >Wuerzburger Ring 39|                                                 +
  ==== >D-w8520 Erlangen   |student of computer-science                      +
  ==== >======================================================================
  ==== >Live long and prosper.                                               +
  ==== >======================================================================
  ==== >.
What is the official name of the episode where Picard must learn to
communicate with aliens whose language is made up entirely of metaphors
from their mythology, "Darmakh at Jalad,"or something like that?   I
liked it a lot because it was the first to really grapple with the
problems of intercultural communication in a context where not even the
"universal translator" can help them much. At a deeper level, it probes to
philosophy of language, hermeneutics, and points to the importance of
mythology in all cultures. Too bad I've seen it twice but came in only ior the
the last 20 minutes in both cases.

Yours, Ian Ritchie.
CXIR@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Stewart's/Picard's accent
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:59:49 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <16B5DD05A.M17257@mwvm.mitre.org> M17257@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>In article <C17u3y.Gos@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
>jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>>
>>Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg writes
>>>As a French native I simply say: It is not !!
>>
>>I believe this is yet another case of American TV shows catering to
>>American ignorance and American subtitle prejudice.  I would bet that
>>most Americans can't place the accents of most people they hear.  Also
>>interesting to note here that most American students are not taught a
>>second language from when they are little.  They might try to pick it
>>up in high school, college or perhaps later in life, but far more of
>>Europe speaks other languages than Americans speak other languages.
>>American attitudes toward simply travelling in a non-English-speaking
>>country generally result in hanging out in the English towns nearby or
>>hiring someone to talk for them instead of learning the language
>>enough to get by.
>>
>Well, most Americans aren't even aware that most other countries teach a
>second language and when they learn it, they usually are amazed and can't
>understand why.  (Don't ask me, I've always thought we, Americans, should
>learn a second language from early in school.)
> 
>In fact, it almost happened, back in the late 70's or early 80's when there
>was a huge debate about becoming a bi-lingual nation. (English;american-version
>and spanish;Latin Amer version)
>However, the conservatives all fought against it, claiming that if you want to
>live in America you should speak American (kind of funny, speak American)

I am neither a conservative, nor do I think that racism explains our lack
of language learning as opposed to Europeans.  (They have small nations
and their neighbors speak foreign languages.  Generally that is not true
in the USA.  Perhaps we should take a step back and realize that the
reason that Picard speaks with a British accent is that Stewart is 
British, not French.  Perhaps you there are those who will say
that only French actors should play French characters, but really,
would you rather have lost Stewart's acting talents for the sake
of linguistic accuracy.
Please confine the comments as to why a *24th century* character 
from France would speak with a British accent.  The 20th century
real world answer is obviously, as I just made clear.

BTW, Russian was never as popular as French, German, or Spanish.
I have spent time studying Spanish, a little French, Arabic, and Russian,
and rest assured that the latter two have nowheres near a good a 
selection of textbooks as the former.
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From: rjtapp@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Riston Tapp)
Subject: Re: Shatner quote: No Star Tr
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:29:13 GMT

In article <12534.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com> scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)  writes:
>On 18 Jan 1993 17:07:47 GMT, aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
>wrote:
>
>BH>In a TV column by Tom Feran in the Jan. 18 Cleveland Plain
>BH>Dealer, William Shatner is quoted as saying, "As far as I know,
>BH>there's no STAR TREK VII" and "As far as I'm concerned, I don't
>BH>have anything more to do with STAR TREK"...
>
>Thank god.  Now here's my question: which right-thinking Trekkie do we
>give the medal for, for secretly engineering Shatner's Tek deal and thus
>keeping him happily non-Trek-wise busy for the rest of his days?
>
>
>              /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>              \  "Let us think the unthinkable, let us   /   scott.hollifield

Ah, come on. Give Shatner a break. How many of us would have really liked to
have seen any of the movies without him? I mean, a movie based on captain
Sulu (and his, excuse the expression, shit eating grin at the end of VI)? If
you are saying that the whole crew of TOS is too old, fine, but no Kirk, no
way (a movie on TNG, however, is another story).

Riston

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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Re: WHY DO TREKKIES FIND KIRA ATTRACTIVE
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:14:04 GMT

ancst8+@pitt.edu (Anuj Chandra) writes:

>There is no doubt that Kira is attractive. But her
>attractiveness is amplified by the fact that us
>ST:NG fans are sick of watching Troi all the time. Face it,
>we are bored of watching Troi all the time. Compared to Troi,
>almost any ST:NG or DS9 female crew member seems attractive .
>However if Tasha Yar was still around, Kira would look like a cow
>compared to her.
>Conclusion: Kira owes her popularity to Troi having been the 
>current 'babe' in ST:NG.
>Anuj

>
      Kira would certainly not look like a cow compared to Tasha Yar. Denise
Crosby is attractive, I suppose, but she couldn't act at all, and so her
character was less attractive than Nana Visitor's character. Besides, I 
think Visitor, Farrell, Sirtis, and McFadden are all very attractive in
their own right, not when compared to each other. 

Just my $0.02

Cory Padfield
From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: re: Life (and slug nature)
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:43:28 GMT
Return-Path: <amail.amdahl.com!rich.bellacera@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>

> From: John.Pack
> I certainly hope that there are no pompous, hipocrites in TNG who ever eat
> meat and then ponder whether to blast some mindless alien blob
> into non-existence or allow it to have their crew mates for lunch
> (unless that crewmate is Wesley or Dr. Basher :-)).
>
> Let's get real -- it's not that big a moral dilemma.
>
Actually John, the writers have already explained this away.  The food
replicators do not carry any "live" or "dead" foodstuffs.  All food is
synthesized. This was especially explained in the Parliament episode where the
ambassadors from Selay and Antican required "fresh, live" meat to kill because
sythetic foodstuffs were abominable to them.

Some have speculated that Bashir is to be DS9's resident gay crewmember.  I
doubt that.  His interest in Lt. Dax can be explained due to his fascination
with her physiology (as it was stated by her/him).  However, his encounter
with Garrok the Cardassian Clothier made me wonder.  ;-)

So far Bashir seems (personality wise) younger than Jake.

Actually, after last night's episode it's obvious that the poor doctor has
more than a mild crush on Mr. ....err Lt. Dax.  However Dax seems more
interested in persuing(?) a relationship with Sisco.  I think Jazdia Dax is
going to be one of the most interesting characters on the show.  (S)he is a
very complex being comprised of both male & female characteristics which could
prove to be quite humerous in the long run.  If subtlty is in effect on DS9 it
would appear that when Lt. Dax's female side is dominant (s)he is reffered to
by her humanoid's given name "Jazdia" and when the gastropod is dominant (s)he
goes by it's given name "Dax".  As the symbiotic Trill being (s)he simply goes
by Lt. Dax.  I think "Dax" is interested in persuing the long friendship (s)he
has shared with Sisco, while "Jazdia" is (in some way) interested in persuing
an intimate relationship with Julian Bashir.  I imagine the Trill have had
centuries to acclimate to the contradictions in their nature, and that, as a
rule, it is probably easier to thrive in a same sex symbiotic relationship
(both the humanoid & the gastropod are male or visa versa).  Curiousity:

Are the gastropods asexual like earthworms or are they both male & female like
other creatures?  If they are not both male & female I can't imagine why Sisco
would continue to call the slug an old "man" (referring to a continuing
characteristic despite it's current outward appearance?).
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: WHY DO TREKKIES FIND KIRA ATTRACTIVE
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:14:25 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1993Jan22.231707.15823@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>	I have to equate Janice Rand with Tasha Yar: blond
>sex-symbols who have really dated hair-do's that people laugh
>at 20 years later.

An impressive statement, given that it hasn't been NEARLY 20 years since Yar
was on Star Trek.

Incidentally, I frequently see women wearing Janice Rand-like hairdos today.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI

"...I guess I'd rather have mediocre Star Trek then none at all."
				- A friend, about the ST:TNG episode "Legacy"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg)
Subject: Re: Stewart's/Picard's accent
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:14:35 GMT

Hello,

Talking about Patrick Stewart's French:

a) it's terrible as I mentioned on a previous posting 

b) I don't want Stewart to have a terrible French accent on the show (I
don't have one either, BTW) -- if the Paramount people wanted that they
could've hired a real French (in fact, why didn't they?)

c) if Stewart actually has to speak some French lines in the show (I
don't know all the lines he spoke because I only saw seasons 1 to 3 in
Germany and season 6 here) then he should be  able to speak them so that
a French native (as me) can understand them

d) why do these writers at Paramount uses French lines in the first
place?

e) I think that Brent Spiner and even John de Lancie really speak a
better French than Stewart.

f) Don't forget: Stewart is British so that at least he should have
learned a foreign language in high school (or what equals that in
Britain).

-Nicolas

PS: I'm surprised that I initiated such an uproar...
From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Shatner quote: No Sta
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:04:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:29:13 GMT, rjtapp@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Riston Tapp)
wrote:

RT>In article <12534.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com> scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (
RT>tt Hollifield)  writes:
RT>>
RT>>Thank god.  Now here's my question: which right-thinking Trekkie do we
RT>>give the medal for, for secretly engineering Shatner's Tek deal and thus
RT>>keeping him happily non-Trek-wise busy for the rest of his days?
RT>>

RT>Ah, come on. Give Shatner a break. How many of us would have really liked to
RT>have seen any of the movies without him? I mean, a movie based on captain
RT>Sulu (and his, excuse the expression, shit eating grin at the end of VI)? If
RT>you are saying that the whole crew of TOS is too old, fine, but no Kirk, no
RT>way (a movie on TNG, however, is another story).

Don't misunderstand me; I'm grateful for the quality work he's done.
He's participated in two very fine Star Trek movies, and in two quite
acceptable ones as well.  (He also was responsible for the turgid
storyline of one of the remaining ones, an act which I have forgiven, if
not forgotten.)  However, the time has come to stop doing TOS-era Star
Trek movies.  That means, no more Kirk in the movies, no original crew,
no Sulu-crew.

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From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Nobody of Importance)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Odo is NOT hollow! (Was: Re: Odo: conservation of mass)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 19:57:34 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: huey.cc.utexas.edu

In article <1993Jan23.042520.16171@netcom.com> linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
>Conclusion: The writers know nothing about physics/science and don't care that
>            they're insulting viewers' intelligence.

Which can be seen as rather high judging from all the creative speculation
about Odo's missing matter. The writers should have thought of some of the
ideas presented here as excuses for Odo's ever-changing mass....

>-- 
>Bruce James Robert Linley | "Any relationships established by marriage are not
>Comp Sci & Engr, UCLA     |  treated as ended by divorce or death."
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From: L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: 90 This Kira List Nonsense
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 06:48:10 PST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------

I'm not usually one to contain complain about wasteful posts, (Heaven
knows there's enough crap on r.a.s.c. to fertilize my lawn), but can you
take this silly "People who like Kira" list to e-mail.  I doubt
it's of any interest to anyone except who's on it, and seeing it
posted four times a day is not endearing me to it.  Add to that the
one in every five posts stating "add me to the list" and you've got one
of the most inane threads I've ever seen.  Goodness knows only 5% of
the posts on r.a.s.c. nowadays contain anything substantive, but this
is ridiculous.  Thanks.


--
Jose Gonzalez
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Lighten up Jose.  But you know guys he is right this Kira list thing
should be taken over to .misc .  By the way, add me to the list!

Scott (me too, me too) VanArtsdalen
From: cse1011@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: No Vulcans!
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:35:43 EST
Distribution: world
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <kbrill.008o@GACSTL.UUCP>, kbrill@GACSTL.UUCP (Kenneth Brill) writes:
> In an article, abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>>>Has anyone noticed that there are no Vulcans as regular characters in
>>
>> 
> Romulan Commander Father??????? I know it's 4 in the morning but I just can't 
> get a grip on that one.
> 
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Spock's "Romulan Commander Father" probably refers to the fact that the 
actor who played Spock's father in "Journey to Babel" also played the
Romulan commander in an earlier episode (I'm ashamed to say I forget the
name of the episode).  They are not the same character, but I've known some
people who actually think that they are.

Oh well, just my $.02

Kurt Cypher
kcypher@eve.wright.edu
Wright State University



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From: lazarus@ug.cs.dal.ca (Chuck Turner)
Subject: Re: No Vulcans!
Keywords: Vulcans in StarFleet.
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:38:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.182147.1310@eafs000.ca.boeing.com> ten0772@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto) writes:
>
>This is from the episode the Immunity Syndrome(?).  The Intrepid was an
>all Vulcan ship.  Until Spock, Vulcan only served on all Vulcan ships.
>Also, If I'm correct Spock was the first non-terran to serve on a terran
>ship.
>
>So, the question is, Are terran ship the only ones that allow other
>species (Non-terran) to serve upon their ships?  Is it that on
>Vulcan ships only Vulcan are allowed to serve duty?
>
>Also, due other Federation races use the Vulcan mode of operation. I.E.
>only there own race may serve duty on their own ships?

It makes a bit of sense to operate in this fashion.  Sure, some folks may
cry 'segregation!' and grab for their banners and placards, but it cuts down
on misunderstanding among differing cultures.  The Canadian Navy has a couple
of 'all-French' ships.  This doesn't mean that the entire crew is Quebecois,
but that French is the language of choice on board, and you aren't posted
to such a ship unless you are fluent.

Extending this to Starfleet (no flames regarding comparison of Starfleet to
a present-day military structure, please), an all-Vulcan ship, or all-'insert
name here' ship would cut down on confusion.  

						- Chuck 

PS:  You'll note that the Enterprise has no non-humans in the command 
     structure (although we hardly ever see the members of the other
     watches).  I think the Vulcan captain in the DS9 pilot was the 
     first example of this that I've seen, although I'm frequently wrong. 



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From: burns@thurifer.harvard.edu (John A. Burns)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 Grade Report: "A Man Alone" (SPOILERS)
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:29:35 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Department, Harvard University

nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn) writes:
`In <HMORAN.93Jan25103538@nswc-wo.?> hmoran@nswc-wo.? (Howard Moran) writes:
`>In article <rawdon.727919914@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

`>   For instance, the cloning
`>   premise ran afoul of the usual problems that SF TV has with clones - why
`>   would they be created fully-grown, and why would they have any memories or
`>   personality when created?  (Ibudan's murdered clone didn't look like a
`>   gibbering idiot, after all.)

`>As for the memories/personality/gibbering idiot - we only saw the clone in
`>the holoroom for a moment or so and all that was seen was a presumptive male
`>adult experiencing the pleasure of a massage; no memories or personality was
`>needed here, only the basic pleasure/pain response set we (and Bajorans) are
`>born with.  Essentially, we might be seeing Ibudan kill...a child!

`Am I the only one who remembers the conflict
`in Quark's gambling hall?  He was an obviously fully functional human
`being

First, if the DNA in the sample had been identical with Ibudan's, Dr.
Bashir wouldn't have had to grow it to find out what it was;  in fact,
he says at one point something about the DNA changing.  I think what
they had was DNA for a "cloning kit" for a full-grown creature which
left the final product with the original's DNA (almost), but before
that had DNA for the intermediate stages of the cloning process.

Do we know the Ibudan we saw at the bar wasn't the original?  (By,
for example, seeing the disguised original in the same scene.)
If the clone had any memory of the original, you think he would
have known he would have realized the original might try to kill him.

-- 
John A. Burns (burns@thurifer.harvard.edu)
        "Don't get mad at an elf."
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From: Michael S. Shappe <mss1@cornell.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,news.groups
Subject: Proposal: TREK-REVIEW-L
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:15:10 GMT
Organization: Cornell University
Distribution: world
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X-XXDate: Thu, 21 Jan 93 22:17:40 GMT

Since there seems to be interest in creating a mailing list for Trek
reviews, regardless of whether or not a newsgroup for them happens, I am
hereby formally volunteering to create such a beast under Cornell!s
listserver. What I am looking for before I do so, however, are two things:

1] Some more definite show of interest from the Public At Large

2] Some sign of interest amongst those who POST reviews -- after all, if
none of the POSTERS are willing to post reviews, there!s not much point.

Please reply BY EMAIL to mss1@cornell.edu and let me know your feelings!

Uncle Mikey