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From: mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Damballah Wedo)
Subject: Re: Johnny Hodges
Organization: The Poto Mitan in the Houmfor
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:44:26 GMT

> kamine@is.rice.edu (Jorge Hershel Kamine):
> I would like to study Johnny Hodges tone and stylistic approach
> to ballads, but I do not know what CD reissues to look at.
> Although I know his greatest work was with Duke Ellington, I
> didn't expect that the brief length of big band solos would
> provide me with enough opportunities to listen to his playing
> style.  I know that some of the recordings of the group he led
> after leaving Ellington are now available, but I don't know which
> to choose.  I would sincerely appreciate any help, and if you
> would email suggestions.  Thank you.

Check out the Mosaic box of his recordings for Verve (and other
Norman Granz labels) frmo 1951-55, his time away from Ellington.
Superb small-group stuff, unfortunately LP-only (Polygram would
probably not give Cuscuna and Lourie the CD rights).

Of course, good at that material is, it's still the second choice
to the things with Duke. 
-- 
Marcel-Franck Simon             	mingus@usl.com, usl!mingus

	" Papa Loko, ou se' van, ou-a pouse'-n ale'
	  Nou se' papiyon, n'a pote' nouvel bay Agwe' "
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: jsulliva@amstel.prime.com (Jeff Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Blues: Albert King
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:05:57 GMT
Reply-To: jsulliva@amstel.prime.com (Jeff Sullivan)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA


I was not reading this group when this news hit, so pardon me if I'm
being redundant....

I was sorry to read in the paper (a week or two ago) that blues guitar
legend Albert King died. I do not own any of his recordings, but I do
know that he was a great influence on Stevie Ray Vaughan, Eric Clapton
and others. In the article, they described his sound and his playing
technique. I was surprized to see that he played left-handed, but even
more surprized to read that the guitar was not restrung! If this was
true (it appeared to be in the picture), then he truly played it
upside-down!

I know that other famous left-handers (Jimi Hendrix, most notably) have
played right-handed guitars, but they appear to be restrung. That is,
the thickest string is always on top.

Is anyone else (lefty or righty) using this technique?
Any recommendations for Albert King recordings (on CD)?

Thanks,

Jeff Sullivan | Computervision Corp. | jsulliva@cvbnet.Prime.COM
CADDS R&D     | Bedford, MA    01730 | sun!cvbnet!jsulliva
From: mdcolby@OCTAVO
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Carol Sloane
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:56:36 GMT
Reply-To: mdcolby@OCTAVO

Carol Sloane is one of my favorite singers.  Like most of my favorite
singers, her work, especially her best, is hard to find in the U.S.A.
Recently she has recorded for more widely distributed labels, so her
most recent recordings are obtainable in the U.S.  These are, on
Contemporary Records "Love You Madly" and "The Real Thing."  I *think*
"I Could Have Told You So" is from "Love You Madly."  Recently, Concord
Jazz released "Heart's Desire."

My favorite Sloane albums are harder to find.  Her second album, 
recorded for Columbia in the early 60's is "Live at 30th Street,"
which is available on CD in Japan.  Another Japanese issue, recorded
in 1985 and on CBS/Sony has been carried at several Tower stores and
at times from Cadence magazine.  It's all Gershwin and entitled "But
Not for Me."

A terrific album, recorded around 1982, has been around from time to 
time on both Eastwind and Four Star.  It's called "As Time Goes By."

An interesting interview with Carol can be found in Whitney Balliett's
"American Singers."

Feel free to email me at mdcolby@octavo.ucdavis.edu if you want to
continue this discussion.  There doesn't seem to be a great deal of
interest in singers on r.m.b.  :-)

Michael
mdcolby@octavo.ucdavis.edu
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: defense de fumer (was: drugs, ethics, health)
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:47:41 GMT
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: rstump@itchy.geog.albany.edu's message of Thu, 31 Dec 92 21:50:02 GMT

Earlier I wrote:
   >I find it interesting to note that Marcel felt it worth pointing out
   >that one figure on the cover of This Is Our Music was on the nod
   >but not worth mentioning that three of the four were holding cigarettes!

Actually it's not so interesting after all, since there are in fact no
cigarettes in this picture. That's what I get for relying on my faulty
visual memory. Sorry about that, Marcel. But I still think this photo
is essence of early 60s cool....
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From: zozo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Fundi Mbangi)
Subject: Re: COLTRANE SUGGESTIONS...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 03:00:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.144527.25156@afit.af.mil> maysee@ss2.sews.wpafb.af.mil writes:
>In article <1hs7o4INNan9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson) writes:
>|> 
>|> Greetings!  I am interested in adding some Coltrane to my collection but
>|> I have no idea as to where to start.  Please email me any suggestions
>|> you may have!  Many thanks!
>|> 
>|> Robin
>|> -- 
>|> Robin L. Gibson      gibson@email.ncsc.navy.mil
>|> Coastal Systems Station
>|> Panama City, FL  32407-5000
>
>   I would recommend "My Favorite Things" and "Giant Steps".  There is a
>3 cd set out on GRP.  I think it is called "Retrospective", but I would
>recommend the two CD's above first.

In addition to these 2 cd's I'd highly recommend "A Love Supreme" and "First
Meditations". 

Fundisile
From: bowman@reed.edu (BoBolicious)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: On Drugs, Bebop and The Wire
Date: 31 Dec 92 23:51:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec31.235117.22737
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <C041EE.LL6@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer) writes:
>I hereby move that we should rename this newsgroup:
>
>	rec.music.bluenote.inquirer

Amen.

It's sad that these bad things happen, but, well, some evidence would tend
to suggest that people play better music on drugs....

And [more substantial] evidence indicates that the bad shit goes down primarily
because they are illegal.  The NYT did a story some months ago on executives
who use heroin and have for years, the Seattle Times did a similar story a
few weeks ago, and 60 Minutes did a story on heroin & cocaine use in England
a few days ago.  All these stories (...I know...the *media*...) sure tend to
indicate that people can lead so-called normal lives.  The catch is that you
need a clean, cheap source.  Both these conditions are impossible given the
drugs' current legal status.

Flame away,
bobo              In seeking the unattainable,
bowman@reed.edu            simplicity only gets in the way.
"Better music through chemistry."
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Miles in Stockholm, twice
Date: 29 Dec 92 09:36:55
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU's message of Mon, 28 Dec 1992 04:29:38 GMT

In article <Dec28.042938.15545@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller) writes:
   While we're on the subject, how is the complete 1960 Miles Concert with
   Sonny Stitt and John Coltrane.  I saw a store with it (it's 4 discs) for
   $40.00.  Is this is really good concert? 




Two concerts, one of which is essential listening. The Coltrane
portion was recorded in mid 1960 and shows the band in a Kind Of Blue
mode, but with more extended and energetic performances. Sound quality
is very good. I would say this is the best Miles/Trane live date - in
fact, one of the best live acoustic Miles dates - currently available.

The show with Stitt is from late 1960 and to me, it's so-so. The live
dates with Hank Mobley from 1961 are stylistically similar but feature
better performances by Miles, imho (the Blackhawk sets, for instance).
Unless you're a completist, you could skip this one, imho. Sound
quality is good.


The two shows are available separately although the separate release
of the Stitt date doesn't have all the material available in this new
set.

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From: MIKELLE@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Faith Vogelsang)
Subject: Albert Ammons and Pete Johnson sheet music
Keywords: sheet music; Albert Ammons; Pete Johnson
Organization: DARDEN
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 16:42:45 GMT

Can anyone tell me if sheet music is currently available for piano music 
composed by Albert Ammons and Pete Johnson?  If so, where can I buy it?

Thanks for any help.
 
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From: corman@Ingres.COM (Anthony Corman)
Subject: Zoot Sims
Reply-To: corman@Ingres.COM (Anthony Corman)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: na
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:16:56 GMT

Anybody got a line on Passion Flower (Sims plays Strayhorn)?
Other recommendations? I've heard a lot of indifferent stuff,
but occasionally something inspired.

Thanks,

Tony Corman

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From: millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller)
Subject: Dave Brubeck/Miles Davis
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:11:44 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

Hmm..the Japaese Davis disc (the stockholm 1960) was $50, not $40, so I
bought the Dave Brubeck box instead (incidentally, it was on sale for $40)
I will post a review shortly.

-- 
 _____________________________________________________________________________
|                                                                             |
| "Nuke the unborn gay whales!" |  millerje@cs.colostate.edu  |  Jeff Miller  |
|_____________________________________________________________________________|
From: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu (William Hsu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Those Cadence CD sleeves
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:52:19 GMT
Reply-To: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu

Mark Sullivan:
> sometimes uses vinyl sleeves is New Albion.  I like their design
> better-- it's an envelope with two compartments, and the flap folds back
> for safe disc removal.

While we're on the topic of alternative CD box designs (not that it's
going to do any of us any good in the near future), how about something
like a miniature version of the traditional vinyl lp package? You can
read the spine, it's a little thinner than a jewel box, and with the
proper design it won't scratch the CD.

Bill
From: lc@apolo.fct.unl.pt (Luis Correia (El Grande))
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Solo Cecil (was Re: akisakila, by c.t.)
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:29:15 GMT
Organization: Universidade Nova de Lisboa, PORTUGAL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Since Cecil Taylor is being discussed, I would like to get some more info on him.
Sometime ago I bought his In Fluorenscence. The problem is that it is so... strange
that I even find it difficult to think of it as music. As a consequence I didn't
even consider to get more of his work.
Now the question is, can you people tell me how does In Fluorescence fit in Cecil's
work, meaning are his reccords all like that, and if not what would you consider to
be interesting ?
Thanks
Luis
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From: sue@snafu.seada.com (Sue Raul)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: To Paul Richardson
Date: 21 Dec 92 07:49:20 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Software Engineering and Design Associates

Paul,

Email flunked.

Please try sending me mail.

Sue
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 30 Dec 1992 18:34:19 EST
From: M.A. Murphy <MURPH@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Danny Gatton: album info wanted

In article <1hspppINN1jl@hp-col.col.hp.com>, rstern@col.hp.com (Richard Stern) says:
>
>I've been searching for Danny Gatton's New York Stories, and none of the
>local record stores have been able to find it.  I know it's on Blue Note,
>but I don't know the #.  If you have the #, could you e-mail it to me.
>
>Also, I've heard of 2 other Danny Gatton re-releases called Redneck Jazz
>and Unfinished Business (on the NRG label).  Does anyone know anything
>about these discs and if they are good and worth buying?
>
Is _New York Stories_ supposed to be new?  I haven't heard anything about
a new Gatton release.  I own two Gatton releases (listed below) and they
are both worth owning.  I don't know what current availability is for
either of these releases.  Does someone else have info concerning
_Redneck Jazz_?  Or, perhaps more generally, does anyone out there
have a definitive discography for Gatton?

              Gatton, Danny
              Unfinished Business
              1989  NRG Records
              Time -  51:20
              Tracks - 10
              Catalog Number - NCD-02479
              Source - CD
              -------------------------------
              Cherokee
              Lappin it Up
              Melancholy Serenade
              Nit Pickin
              Sky King
              Homage to Charlie Christian
              Sleepwalk
              Fingers On Fire
              Georgia On My Mind
              Notcho Blues

              Gatton, Danny
              88 Elmira Street
              1991  Elektra
              Time -  51:17
              Tracks - 11
              Catalog Number - 61032-2
              Source - CD
              -------------------------------
              Funky Mama
              Elmira St. Boogie
              Blues Newburg
              Quiet Village
              Red Label
              In My Room
              The Simpsons
              Muthaship
              Pretty Blue
              Fandingus
              Slidin' Home

-------

                                            Murph

                                            Michael A. Murphy
                                            MURPH@MAINE.BITNET

If you do not understand my silence
you will not understand my words.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 30 Dec 1992 13:05:44 CST
From: <U55253@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: B.B. King
 <15690011@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM>

Keith-
     My favorite B.B. King album is "B.B. King- Live at Cook County Jail".
The man is simply incredible on this album, and he also does a medley of
really, really old B.B. King.  Enjoy!
     -Brian Conran
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From: elliott@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Elliott.New)
Subject: Re: B.B. King
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:36:32 GMT

In article <Dec19.223645.55993@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.183051.12427@olaf.wellesley.edu> kwolters@fred.wellesley.edu (Keith Wolters) writes:
>>Hi.  I'm looking for reccommendations on the first BB King CD I should
>>get.  I've seen many "Best of" CDs but figured there must be some
>>which are better than others.  Thanks.
>
>I found a "Two on One" CD consisting of "Live at the Regal" and "Live at
>the Cook County Jail" for the $10

Check out "The Best Of BB King Vol. 1" on the Flair label.  I bought it as
an import on the Charley label for $20... now it is on a domestic label
for $10.  All the stuff was remastered... and it all SOUNDS GREAT!
This is all the CLASSIC BB from the 50's.  

Check it out!

Elliott New
From: by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: COLTRANE SUGGESTIONS...
Date: 30 Dec 1992 13:21:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Greetings!  I am interested in adding some Coltrane to my collection but
I have no idea as to where to start.  Please email me any suggestions
you may have!  Many thanks!

Robin
-- 
Robin L. Gibson      gibson@email.ncsc.navy.mil
Coastal Systems Station
Panama City, FL  32407-5000
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From: bowman@apl.demon.co.uk (Dick Bowman)
Subject: Stork Music
Distribution: world
Organization: Dogon Research
Reply-To: bowman@apl.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:18:02 +0000

There's an ad on page 103 of the December 1992 Cadence magazine by Stork
Music.

Has anybody had any contacts with the people behind it?

They appear to be offering cassette only, which I personally don't find
attractive - cassette labels seem to be easy to set up and disappear without
trace (I suspect that there's some self-fulfilling prophecy of low sales).

Does anybody have personal experience of low-volume CD run quality and
costings? Because if there was a way to persuade Stork to get (some of) this
stuff onto another medium I'd like to give it a shot.
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From: srcd@athena.mit.edu (Solomon Douglas)
Subject: Re: On Drugs, Bebop and The Wire
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:51:54 GMT

In article <HELLERS.92Dec29140137@cleo.cs.wisc.edu> hellers@cs.wisc.edu (Joe Hellerstein) writes:
>I was shocked recently when I got back together with an old friend who
>went through the New School jazz program, and hung with a variety of
>the younger players in New York.  One of the reasons she got out of
>New York and jazz was that she was sick of picking up the pieces of
>her friends' messed up lives.  According to her, *lots* of the young
>players in New York are doing heroin steadily, including a variety of
>the bigger names.  This came as a big unhappy surprise to me.

That's a surprise to me, too...  I knew that heroin, and other drugs, were
the norm in the jazz world in the past, but I had the impression (largely
from speaking with Don Thompson, a relatively big name pianist, vibist,
and bassist in Toronto) that most jazz players these days were a little
more clueful.  Thompson even told me that most of the guys he plays with
are scared to have a beer at a gig, for fear it will mess up their music!
Maybe that's just Toronto The Good, I don't know...

Solomon
--
 Solomon <|>   srcd@mit.edu
 Douglas /|\   srcd@faraday.physics.utoronto.ca
From: alan@sierra.unr.edu (Alan McKay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: "Jazzy" blues followup
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:46:12 GMT
Reply-To: alan@wrc.unr.edu (Alan McKay)
Organization: Desert Research Institute, University of Nevada


In article <C02wy6.91o@hfglobe.intel.com> dcovell@hfglobe.intel.com (David Covell) writes:

[Robben Ford stuff deleted]

>This is a good album, and it's refreshing to hear someone play blues with
>such a nice tone and unconventional licks, but it's lacks the jazz flavor
                                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^
>I'm looking for.
>Any other recommendations?

I ~know~ someone already mentioned this [may have been me], but get Duke
Robillard's _After Hours Swing Session_, now! 

If that's not "jazzy" enough for you, get some of Grant Green's old Blue Note
stuff.

And by all means, check out these two by Gil Evans: _Out of the Cool_, and
_The Individualism of Gil Evans_. The former features the relatively unsung,
but very tasty, Ray Crawford on guitar (who, btw, I just "discovered" on an
old Tom Waits' album, _Blue Valentine_); the latter features Kenny Burrel on
guitar, especially on a killer, thirteen minute version of the Willie Dixon
classic, "Spoonful". 


....al
w.a. mckay
desert research institute
reno, nevada
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: On Drugs, Bebop and The Wire
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:15:50 GMT

I hereby move that we should rename this newsgroup:

	rec.music.bluenote.inquirer



Happy new year,

Jeff
From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Carol Sloane
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:43:19 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

mdcolby@OCTAVO writes:
>Feel free to email me at mdcolby@octavo.ucdavis.edu if you want to
>continue this discussion.  There doesn't seem to be a great deal of
>interest in singers on r.m.b.  :-)

This may be obnoxious, since I haven't contributed to this discussion,
(never having heard of Carol Sloane before) but don't email, keep
the discussion on r.m.b.!  I am interested in reading about it and 
probably many others are lurking as well.  If you want to generate
interest in singers (or 20s-30s music, or blues, or whatever), do it
by speaking up and creatin' some traffic.  There are few net-police
on this group.  Thanks.

- Ben

P.S.  If there is no interest in singers why do we have a big thread
on Sheila Jordan every few months ?-)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery)
Subject: Re: Jazz Guitar recommendations
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:02:47 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Dec29.201336.26635@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mha1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu wrote:
>     I'm looking to get turned on to something new, but I'm not sure what.
>     While recently listening to the 2 earliest Pat Metheny Group albums (Pat
>     Meth. Grp., 1978; American Garage, 1979) I realized that I had little
>     other guitar stuff.  I like those early albums as Pat has a nice sound on
>     his big hollow-body and the group plays tight fusion-type jazz, but
>     without some of the bombasticness of the more recent, highly synthesized
>     "ensemble" recordings.  Anyone have any album recommendations of similar
>     stuff?  Scofield, Abercrombie, etc??

Howard Roberts.  Check out "Howard Roberts plays a dirty guitar" or something 
very similar to that.  ("mean guitar"?). 

Sounds like you might like Stanley Jordan also.  Joe Pass, George Benson and 
Earl Klugh might tickle your fancy, but they're not fusion-oriented at all.

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            Pat Loughery [patlo@microsoft.com] Seattle, WA
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"I had no shoes and I pitied myself. Then I met a man who had no feet,
                so I took his shoes."   -- Dave Barry
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From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Japanese Miles Davis
Date: 29 Dec 92 09:25:22
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: 's message of Saturday, 26 Dec 1992 15:42:43 CST

In article <92361.154243U37426@uicvm.uic.edu> <U37426@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
       Well i finally broke down and started buying the japanese imports of out
   of print Miles Davis cd's.  It seems that the album Dark Magnus and Live at
   the Philharmonic have less sound quality than the regular Columbia releases.
   Does anyone else out there agree with me?

I'm not quite sure what "less sound quality" means. To me, it sounds
like a typical mid-70s concert recording of a medium size electric
band. Not great, not bad. The cd remaster is ok, somewhat less
cluttered than the lp version but not shrill and thin like some early
Sony cd remasters (and also not overly compressed like many NoNoise
remasters).

   Are there any albums that have
   extremly poor sound quality and should be avoided?

You mean any Sony Miles Davis cd reissues? I wouldn't say that any
have "extremely poor sound", but in many cases the cd versions are
worse than than the lps.

There are a number of Miles bootlegs out with pretty bad sound but in
nearly every case, the choice is bad sound or none at all (ie the
material isn't available in any other form). Like any serious fan of
Miles, I would always choose the former.

   I would hate to buy these imports at 40 bucks a crack and then
   later see them released here in the states in a remastered form.


Dark Magus may not be released domestically at all - after all, the lp
never was. Even if it is, I wouldn't expect that further remastering
will improve the sound.





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