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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:22:28 EDT
From: <JVI100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Batman: the TV series


       You know, I turned on FOX's Batman cartoon this morning ready to be
 disappointed, but you know, I really enjoyed the show. I had heard all of the
 hype surrounding it and saw some of the animation, and I just wasn't
 impressed. That is, until I watched it. It seems to be of very high quality,
 and I was surprised to see nothing mentioning it on the net. About the only
 thing that I didn't like about it, was the way Bruce Wayne was drawn. He
 looked more like Clark Kent. But that is something that I can overlook. Just
 my opinion.

              The Jimothy
From: bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Ben Edlund *is* Bruce Wayne (new BATMAN series)
Date: 9 Sep 1992 07:18:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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The TICK as Batman?  Hmmm...now you've got me wondering...

If you saw the Catwoman episode to be aired at a future date,
  you'll notice he *does* enjoy leaping around on rooftops
  a lot.

Hmmm...Batman...Tick...Oh, what a chin!

 - net.spy!  (bn510@clevelan.freenet.edu)

"What kind of man can walk on a wall?"
"Lionel Ritchie???"
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From: MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (mason hart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Whilce Portacio (Jester)
Date: 12 Sep 1992 03:36:39 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <3535@babcock.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu>
husty@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Steve Husty) writes:
 
>                  More recently, he has done "Children of the Night", some
>        work on X-Factor and most recently, "Wetworks" for Image.  I have
>        not seen his new Image work (I'm actively boycotting them and I
>        hope a lot of people are), but I'm sure its good.
 
     I am rapidly growing fed up with the anti-Image sentiment
among the collectors in the audience.  They've been pulling some
of the best artists in the business away from DC and Marvel by
offering an irresistible arrangement: control over their characters.
Marvel and DC have been guilty of far more deplorable schemes in
their time.
     As for the quality of the work -- it's not Moore or Claremont,
but its a hell of a lot better than Lobdell or Nicieza.  And there's
no bureaucratic bullshit or marketing scams (beyond the obvious one)
to contend with.
     To be sure, Image has bad titles just like everyone else (I
still won't touch Liefield with a ten foot pole).  But don't turn
your back on the whole line out of pique.  Spawn and Wildcats at
least deserve a little credit, and Savage Dragon isn't as repulsive
as the X-men have become.  Give them a chance.
 
 
"if it don't kill you, it can only make you stronger."
-- mason hart, rice u.
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Green Lantern Rings
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:11:17 GMT
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Originator: wmorgan@nemesis.stsci.edu


Is a Green Lantern's ring intelligent?
-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Batman Animated: Feat of Clay
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:29:52 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <Sep.10.17.49.53.1992.8945@romulus.rutgers.edu>, pearl@romulus.rutgers.edu (Starbuck) writes:
> 
> Hmm... Do I see an episode guide in the making? (Especially with the
> Episode synopses you've been posting...)

Yes.  I'll do the Episode Guide for BATMAN.

-- 
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From: kyrie@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thomas S. Marlowe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Comics as entertainmet (was Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum)
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:54:50 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:

>In rec.arts.comics.misc, steyn@cs.rochester.edu (Gavin Steyn) writes:

>>   The _Odyssey_ and _Iliad_ are almost entirely written for entertainment.

>Really?  It is curious you should say so.  What evidence do you have to
>support this?
>

First, what kind of evidence do you mean?  A scholar saying so?

Have you ever read either of them?  That shoudl be enough proof that
they are incredibly entertaining.  I really enjoyed reading the stuff.

And, if, as many people assert (two high school teachers of min and 
Dr. Beene of Dartmouth and I think Richmond Lattimore), the stories were
originally told over and over in front of camp fires to adults and children
alike in ancient Greece, I think it would follow that the stories were
primarily entertainment.

Homer didn't sit down and make the stuff up.  He based them on the oral
tradition.

Oh well, by two bits (price has gone up.  $.02 is worth nothing now).
 
TSM
--
"Law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice, and that when
they fail to do this they become dangerously structured dams that block
the flow of social progress." -  Martin Luther King, Jr
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From: gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri)
Subject: Re: DC's New Direction (with OCM's comments)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:37:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.102528.1@cgsvax.claremont.edu> carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes:
>There's been a lot of vague talk lately about DC's "new image" (small "i"
>thankyouverymuch) for its superhero titles, including the cancellation of a
>variety of series (GL: Mosaic, JSA, Heckler, etc...). What is the precise plan?
>What was seen as the rationale for it? Has there been any official annoucement
>of the "new direction"?
>
	Aw man.  They're gonna cancel GL Mosaic?  I love that one.  Although I
wouldn't mind seeing the Heckler go.  It's like "Stop or my Mom will shoot!"
hehe
	Sorry about 2 posts in a row, but you know, they seem to be hacking
thos four Superman titles...hehe.
	And speaking of Image, is it true that DC and Image are doing xovers?
That's sad.  I think they should have a Doom Force/Youngblood xover.  Or a nice
Ambush Bug/Supreme xover.
	Maybe a Lobo/Pitt xover.
	("BWAHAH HAHAH")

Ravi Pillalamarri
gatsby@wam.umd.edu

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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Bob
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:10:24 GMT

Well, after staying up til 2AM to see Entertainment Tonight last night/this 
morning, I can now safely announce that Bob Newhart's new show has him as a 
comic book artist at a sleazy publisher in Chicago (okay, which publishers are 
in Chitown?).  I plan to watch and see how accurately they portray it.  Wonder 
if RL will show up in his Levis for a guest shot?
     Dave Van Domelen, Dyslexia strikes again, changing Badhinisian to 
Badnesian!
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From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly)
Subject: Re: Spawn + WRITERS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:42:35 GMT

pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:

>I'm an aspiring writer, and I can honestly say that I would NOT work with Todd
>McFarlane.  The guy is a horrendous artist, which is most important, and has a
>huge head and a mouth to match it.  I'd sooner punch him in the face than work
>with him.

Hmm. With an attitude like that, you're likely to remain "aspiring".
Professionals work with people irregardless of their personal opinion of
them.  

>He complains about how Ditko and Kirby were treated (which I am a strong
>supporter of), but do you see him contributing any part of his MILLIONS to
>help them out?  After all, he did make a career out of their creations.

Oh, what is he supposed to do? Set up a home for Victims of the Comic
Industry out of his own pocket? Reality check. He's done the best that
he can for the new generation of writers and artists, i.e. set up a line
where they can exercise creative control and get a fair share of the
profits.    

Axly
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Question about Bisley (Was Re: Batman: Neil Gaiman)
Date: 14 Sep 1992 04:58:41 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


There's a Simon Bisley painting on the cover of the latest issue of HEAVY
METAL.  Maybe this explains what Tundra is going to use him for, now that
he's supposedly signed an exclusive contract.  Tundra has apparently also
bought the rights to HEAVY METAL in America.
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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (The Elmo Strikes Back)
Subject: Ostrander's account (was Re: LOTDK)
Organization: Hensonfilm
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 05:00:31 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
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In article <1992Sep15.192622.28251@wam.umd.edu>, gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri) writes:
> 	Oh yeay, John Ostrander supposedly has a Compuserv account.  Anyone out
> there in net.space know about this?

	Yes, he does have a compuserve account, along with a number of
other comics professionals, mostly writers.  There are a number on GEnie as
well.
	Why do you want to know?
-- 
"After I'm dead, I would rather have people ask why I have no monument than why
I have one."--Cato the Elder                                                   
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
From: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman to Die?
Date: 5 Sep 1992 18:37:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
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In a previous article, jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle Ks. Jim)) says:

>In article <mumble> acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams) writes:
>

[Spoilers deleted]

>>You know, as much as I like the Superman books, it seems DC is using
>>him as their publicity tool. He proposes to Lois - headlines. He
>>tells Lois his secret - headlines. He's going to die - headlines.
>>Sheesh.
>
>I don't mind it too much, except that 99% of the time the news
>coverage itself is pretty childish/infantile, just furthering the idea
>that comics are only for kids.
>
>DC needs the publicity, simply because they seem unable to do
>promotions in the industry itself that attract sales (ala Marvel and
>Image's gimmicks and hype).  They just need to get a bit better
>control over the publicity they get (you could tell the local
>newscasters considered the news of Supes death as little more than
>something for the kids).
>

I agree that the media still tend to treat comics as kids-only stuff.  On
the other hand, this can work to DC's advantage since Marvel has a virtual
monopoly on the 10-16 age group (hence a larger share of the market).



As with Supes dying, I think it'll be obvious he'll eventually return.  THe
question is will they make it worth the ride.

Chuck Gibbs
gibbsc@ac.grin.edu
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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Subject: Re:  Batman Mr. Freeze Episode
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:35:44 GMT

A big OOPS on my part!  (Thanks to those who sent me e-mail in 
regard to my initial post asking when the Mr. Freeze episode was
aired out here.)

GEE, I forgot that the *rest of the country* doesn't get KTVU
(our FOX affiliate) coverage of San Francisco Giants games...
which is why there was no Batman out here on Monday.

In addition to the other comics I picked up yesterday, I did get
Batman Adventures #1, which looks pretty good but I haven't read
it yet.  It's dead-on same art style as the TV show.  First issue
features Penguin.

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Grendel:  Warchild #2
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 02:55:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I've seen a number of claims that over the centuries, just as the Grendels
rose from being criminals or other outsiders to being the establishment,
the motivating spirit has also become more widespread.  I'd say that Warchild
shows that this is not so.

The continuous sequence of fights, rather than being the pointless
carnography of so many stylistically similar comics, is serving two
important purposes.  One is to give us a good panoramic picture of 
what the land has become.  The other is to show the difference between
a true Grendel and people who simply wear the trappings.

From the beginning, Grendel has been a spirit of violence which, in
the process of possessing chosen outsiders (the kidnapper appears to
be a clanless Grendel) has also given them the ability to function at
the limits of their human potential.  Faced with this level of
ability/motivation, the forces of 'order', be they policemen or soi-disant
Grendels, are virtually impotent.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
 Are full of passionate intensity." -- W.B. Yeats

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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: Cerebus: What If Sim Doesn't Make it to #300
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:50:39 GMT

In <07vn5-q.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>Arthur C. Adams (acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil:
>>After the recent thread about the hypothetical Cerebus #300, I've
>>been thinking: what if Dave Sim doesn't make it to #300 (polite
>>way of saying what if he dies?)
>
>If he dies while drawing Cerebus, does he get resurrected?

No, no, no -- you don't understand how radio works!

Dave is *already* resurrected.

                           "Sex is no substitute for peace of mind."

                                           -- Klo, THE BALTIC SEA
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: NOT the "Good Omens" sequel
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:14:16 GMT

There was also another tentative title. It is mentioned in one of the
early Sandman letter columns. I believe it was something like _Daniel, the
Anti-Christ_. Been awhile since I read the book or the letter column.

I have a copy of _GO_ that I'm getting signed for a friend. At the moment
I'm trying to get a more artistic friend to do up a dust jacket for _Good
Omens II: The Book Collectors Strike Back!_ by Gaiman, Slim and Wandsworth.
Probably exists only in Lucien's library at the moment. 
--
     Lance "William Blake?" Smith     |   "Bring me my bat of burning gold!
         (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)          |    Bring me my pine tar of desire!
 "The Cat. He walked by himself, and  |    Bring me my glove! O clouds unfold!
    all places were alike to him."    |    Bring me my fastball of fire!"
From: sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Where's all the good stuff?
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:29:54 GMT
Reply-To: sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

Well, I like comics as much as you people do, but recently
nothing seems able to interest me.  I used to read a lot of
Marvel, but now I go to a comics shop, flip through a Marvel
book, say to myself "Yuck", and put it back.  Now I know from 
your posts that the overwhelming majority of you don't seem to 
like anything by Marvel either, but lately I've been having the
same reaction to books by other companies as well.  Books by
Dark Horse, assorted other independents, and DC.  I just read 
them while standing at the rack and decide they're not worth my
money.  Even stuff I used to like such as Sandman, Shade the 
Changing Man, Swamp Thing, and Legends of the Dark Knight 
completely bore me now.  Yesterday I went to a comics shop, 
looked around at the back issues, all the comics sitting on 
the shelves, and the assorted trade paperbacks and graphic 
novels.  I did this for one hour, couldn't find a single book
that I wanted to buy (!) and finally bought the new Boris Vallejo
calendar.

This type of thing has been happening to me a lot since this past
summer.  *Nothing* seems to inerest me anymore.  Maybe I'm burned 
out, since for the past year before that, I spent an average of 
$50 a month on comics.  Anyway, I'm curious to know if anyone else 
is having the same problem.  It's not all bad, since I wanted to 
cut back on my comics spending, but is the dearth of quality 
material really *that* severe?  Or maybe there's some really 
good, obscure stuff out there that I don't know about?  I'd be 
willing to hear suggestions from you, if you know of anything 
really good out there.  

It's obvious my tastes are changing, but I never thought I'd be
*this* bored with the comics medium.  :-P


Steve A.
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From: aoki@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Bishonen Senshi Sailor Paul)
Subject: Re: Cerebus #161
Originator: aoki@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU
Organization: Sailor Senshi of San Diego
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:10:54 GMT

birmingh@fnalo.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham) writes:
>         One short question: Who's the guy in the bar who sounds like
>    Yosemite Sam?

"Yosemite Sam"?  You talking about Dirty Fleagle McGrew and his baby
brother, Dirty Drew?  (They first appeared early in HIGH SOCIETY.)

I'm trying to figure out who the barkeeper with the "outrraageous Franch
accent" is.  Theresa's brother, maybe?
-- 
     Paul M. Aoki  |  aoki@postgres.Berkeley.EDU  |  ...!uunet!ucbvax!aoki
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:33:24 EDT
From: <JVI100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Storing comics


I was just wondering about acid free backing boards, and backing boards in
general.  How long does a regular board last before it starts to damage a
book?  I hear that a regular bag is good for about 4 years before it should
be changed.  Is this true?  Has anyone heard of comic defense?  I was told
that their boards are acid free but they seem to cost less than other acid
free boards I've seen(namely the boards that come with the mylites). Are
Comic Defence's boards just as good?

I'm sorry that there are so many questions, but Thanks in Advance.

Jimothy
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:08:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Superman to Die?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc

In rec.arts.comics.misc, femanrs@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (BRUCE MANNERS) writes:

> I have been away from the comic scene for quite some time now (ok 10 years)
> 
> 
> Today I read in my local paper (Cleveland Plain Dealer) that Superman will 
> die in November.  What's the story?  
> 
> Any info will be great.  

Who knows, but it smacks of a cheap marketing ploy to me.
Although it is possible that they are not making enough money
off the titles and that they figure the old steel-balled
sod is worth more money to them dead than alive.

doug
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Green Lantern Rings
Date: 14 Sep 1992 21:07:25 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <1992Sep14.191117.7451@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>Is a Green Lantern's ring intelligent?

	It's not intelligent in a "artificial intelligence" sense.  From what
I've seen, it's got a voice/mental interface that allows the weilder to 
ask it questions about various things (how much charge is left, "can I do this"
questions, "what's the fastest way to Antares from here?", etc), but it
doesn't offer it's own opinions about anything, ferinstance.  
	Essentially, it's got a Star Trek (or better) quality computer in
it, but it's not sentient.
-- 
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From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Bob
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:36:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Interleaf

In article <1992Sep14.171024.14303@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>morning, I can now safely announce that Bob Newhart's new show has him as a 
>comic book artist at a sleazy publisher in Chicago (okay, which publishers
>are in Chitown?).  I plan to watch and see how accurately they portray it.

Hmm, wonder if he'll need to see a shrink there...(current publisher is Now,
and possibly Comico, past publisher was First, but I doubt it's any more
than Newhart liking Chicago as a setting). It should be fairly accurate
as Mark Evanier is writing for the show (any bets on a cheese dip or mulching
reference?).

"Did I err?" --Groo
From: gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LOTDK
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:26:22 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


	I would say Prey was the best so far.  This Mask thing looks like it's
going to be pretty good.
	Prey was written by Doug Moench.
	Actually, I would say I've liked all the LOTDK storylines except these
two recent ones (Mite and Mercy)
	hm
	Oh yeay, John Ostrander supposedly has a Compuserv account.  Anyone out
there in net.space know about this?
hmm

Ravi Pillalamarri
gatsby@wam.umd.edu
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: When I was away...
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 06:59:19 GMT

sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>I just returned from a 3 week absence and saw that a new thread
>had been started, with the subject being "Liefield throws tantrum"

>Did I miss anything?  :)

Robbie threw a tantrum at the San Diego Comic Con, when he tried to
pay for something by check (at a booth with a "No Checks" sign) and
was turned down.
-- 
Hangover: The wrath of grapes.
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