Newsgroups: alt.overlords
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:30:36 -0500 
From: Mark Beirne Lively <ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: U.N. Rehash
	<1993Jan21.074607.15594@nuscc.nus.sg>

NOTE original distributrion was US only.

Excerpts from netnews.alt.overlords: 21-Jan-93 Re: U.N. Rehash Tim
Poston@iss.nus.sg (1450)

> werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner) writes:
> : > Furthermore since our government has commited acts of aggression also, and
> : > we seem to have nuclear weapons, does this mean that any nation that
> disagrees
> : > with us has the right to bomb us?  
> : 
> : Maybe if we invaded Canada or Mexico or Cuba.
> Hey, two out of three isn't bad;
> the Alamo was the US grabbing Mexican territory
> (because Mexico wouldn't let the white trash who settled there own slaves)
> and the Bay of Pigs was Kennedy's finest hour.

Oh and don't forget the mexican american war.  Oh and Kennedys finest
hour was supposedly the cuyban missle crisis.

> Can somebody tell me how many Latin American countries the US
> has _never_ invaded?  Please distinguish between
> "never landed troops" and "never even sent a gunboat".

Well I know we never sent a gunboat to paraguay.  Most of south america
we left unmolested, except for columbia.  Thats how panama came into
being.  I think generally though we only screwed in North american
politics.  You know the usual border squables with neighbors, burn their
capitals, let them burn ours(war of 1812).

> Louisiana and Alaska were purchased,
> and the thirteen states acquired by well justified revolt.
> What other parts of the USA were acquired other than
> by grabbing territory from tribal peoples or
> colonial powers, by force and biological warfare?

Florida may be on the edge of this statement.  Yes we invaded it but
they were invading us first.  Spain had a couple of control problems
which lead to raids in georgia whihc led to andy jackson jumping the gun
just a little bit, and to a US appology and big payoff to spain.  Also
the Gadsen purchase was quite legitamate So was Hawaii.  The biological
warfare part is a bit of a stretch.  Yes more indians were killed by
chickenpox then by bullets, but it was not intentional.

> Notice how events in Cuba etc. are always described in the US
> as "in our back yard"; a pathological inability to distinguish
> one's own back yard from the neighbour's garden.

The Monroe doctrine, was an attempt by the US to end interference in
North America by European powers.  If you will note that while the US
has been interfering in central America, it has been to cut off
interference from Russia, via Cuba or directly.  Just as a note we gave
back as much territory as we kept.  At one point we had all of mexico
under our control and gave back 2/3rds of it keeping only a virtually
uninhabited corner of it, in exchange for a very large cash settlement. 
We also gave back the Philipines and cuba,  Not to Spain but to the
people there.

> This game of identifying assorted leaders with Hitler
> is pretty dumb; it's mainly a form of yelling,
> not a form of argument.
> But once the game is being played,
> I wish that North Americans could imagine how easily
> Uncle Sam is seen by his neighbors as a landgrabbing killer.

Besides we stopped the land game in the late 1800's.  The exception
being a few small islands in the south pacific which were taken from
Japan, who took it form the Natives in WWII.

>   "Oh wad some pow'r the giftie gie us
>    Tae see ourselves as others see us."


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