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From: mark@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Mark D. Collier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Clever Names Summary
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:09:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: trident.167
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

Thanks to all those who submitted their favorite clever names. Following
is a list of all (most) of the names I received. I appologize if your
suggestion was left off. I received so many replies that I have had 
trouble keeping track of them.

PLAYS ON SETS/SEX

"Safe Sets"              "Sets On The Beach"      "Sloppy Sets"
"We Need Sets"           "Joy of Sets"            "Will Work For Sets"
"Kinky Sets"

TRICKY NAMES

"Bye"                    "Forfeit"                "Cancelled"
"Disqualified"           "No Show"                "Postponed"
"Rescheduled"            "Defaults"

ALL-STAR NAMES

"All-star Wrestling"     "B.O.B. - Best of Breed" "Team (night of week)"
"Team (name of league)"  "Team World Class"       "World Class."
"The Home Team"

VB NAMES

"S*M*A*S*H"
"Cheap Spikes and Dinks" "Block Party"            "Monster Spikes"
"Killer Serves"          "Set To Kill"            "Air Traffic Control"
"All-Net"                "Net Results"            "Setting Ducks"
"Caution: Low Roof"      "Diggin' and Swingin'"   "Over the top"
"Spin Doctors"           "Dirty Half Dozen"       "Wanted for Malicious Kills"
"Slam Dewey"             "Death By Bumping"       "Bump Uglies"
"Bulls Hitters"          "Mass Spikes"            "Court Jesters"
"Arm And Hammer"         "Blue Balls"             "Net Assets"
"Roofers"                "Sand Blasters"          "Sand Storm"
"Six Pack"

OBNOXIOUS NAMES

"In Your Face"           "15-0"                   "Dig This!"
"That Hurt?"             "You OK?"                "Block Or Bleed"
"This Won't Take Long"   "No Scrubs"              "See Ya"
"On Ya"                  "By Ya"                  "Sizzle your pits"
"Duck Or Bleed"          "Tattoo You"

LONG/MISC

"Six Guys Who Have Never Been in Cliff Clavin's Kitchen"
"Floor Essence" (several players had *REALLY* loud outfits)
"Knee-B-O" (for teams not washing their kneepads)
"We've made better passes in a bar..."
"Whiff, Shank, and Throw, Inc."
"We can't dig..."
"We've seen better digging in a graveyard..."
"Bob's Testosterone Hurt Patrol"
"Drunk, Stupid, and Clumsy"
"We always get it up"
"We dig 4-play"  (from a 3-woman team with a 4 person roster)
"It's gotta be da shoes"

"Thinks That Go Bump"
"Tinseltown Rebellion Band" (from a Frank Zappa album)
"Diggers With Attitudes"
"Zjmesj"                 "Maxi"                   "The Giraffes"
"Upperworld"             "Shambles"               "Blue Mould"
"Leapfrog"               "Walk-on"                "gosh!"
"The Home Team"          "2XSF"/"2XSV"            "dyskinesia"
"Size Matters"           "Thrill Seekers"         "pandemonium"

TEAM SPECIFIC

"Net Servers" (play on computer network servers)
"Ball Control" (Programmable Logic Controllers?)
"Illegal Animal Experiments" (for a medical/research team)
"Debating Society"
"Sun MicroSpikers"
"Civil Disobedients" <-- group of civil engineers
"Prime Time Players"
"Badgers Armpit"
From: hashimoto@sgi.com (Roy Hashimoto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Team Cup Volleyball
Date: 14 Oct 1992 23:41:57 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sideout.asd.sgi.com

In article <tony2.719096550@mcl> tony2@mcl.ucsb.edu (Tony Chan) writes:
>The first night of Team Cup, there were 18,000 people (that's what the
>PA announcer said.... believe it or not). The Forum can hold over 40,000 (I
>believe) so that might be why the place looked empty.

The Forum (in Inglewood, where Team Cup is) holds 17,505 for basketball,
and the set up was virtually identical for volleyball.  1800 would be a
much more believable figure.  I was there with friends last Friday and
we guessed the attendance to be 2000-3000.

We did hear the announcer say 18,000 about something - that was either
a misstatement or concerning something else, perhaps the anticipated
attendance for all four nights of Team Cup.

Roy Hashimoto
hashimoto@sgi.com
From: hog@bnr.ca (Roger Seelaender)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Pool Workout (Robin Amano)
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:20:18 GMT
Reply-To: hog@brtph259@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP Info Systems

Sorry that you can't reach me via e-mail. A regular
business letter size envelopy is sufficient. The package
is 5 sheets of regular size paper.
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From: tim@research.nj.nec.com (Tim Van Der Avoird)
Subject: Re: Clever team names
Originator: tim@mercury
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 20:58:05 GMT

Well, some ideas:

Zjmesj		Maxi		the Giraffes	the Home Team
Upperworld	Shambles	gosh!		15-0
Blue Mould	Leapfrog	walk-on		debating society


Tim (wow! that's a good name for our team....)


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From: paln@edb.tih.no (Paal Noest,o92b)
Subject: Re: Test
Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.05.15  1.20 (running under MS-Windows)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:12:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.194549.4085@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, abepd@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov (Spankin' Ed Davis) writes:


>I sure hope that changing editors gets rid of all that noise.
>This has been a test.  Sorry to have bothered you.
>Spankin'  Ed                 
>
>        "Volleyball Is My Life"
>            Thomas Aquinas
>                       1263
>
>email:    abepd@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov   
>    <Goddard Space Flight Center>

I agree!! Voleyball is LIFE!!!
paln@edb.tih.no
From: koppes@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Rosaine Koppes)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:22:28 GMT
Subject: Adult Vball Camp - San Jose/Sacramento
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball

Adult Volleyball Instructional Camps

16 hours of volleyball over two days
Some camps may feature Gary Sato and Craig Buck
Free camp T-shirt
$99 for two day camp (early registration)

   San Jose: Intermediate and Advanced    10/10 - 10/11
   San Jose: Beginning and Intermediate   10/17 - 10/18

   Sacramento: Beginning and Intermediate 10/3 - 10/4
   Sacramento: Intermediate and Advanced  11/7 - 11/8

   Concord: Beginning and Intermediate    10/10 - 10/11
   Concord: Intermediate and Advanced     11/7  - 11/8

For further information call Athletic Sports Foundation (ASF)
at (510)975-0952 (tell them I referred you).

Tom Jack       arpa:taj@cup.hp.com       uucp:uunet!hplabs!hpda!taj
Coach, Lincoln High School Boys and South Valley Club Boys
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From: fukuhara@f81alpha.austin.ibm.com (Terri Fukuhara)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: New Shoes
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:29:06 GMT
Followup-To: fukuhara@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1992Oct5.180443.753@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> abepd@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov (Spankin' Ed Davis) writes:

>order a new pair of MIZUNOs.  Of course the model shoe I have now is
>probably obsolete since new models seem to come out every couple of
>months.

If you haven't bought new shoes in 4 years, a lot of things have changed.
I, like you, used to buy Asiacs because that was the only thing available,
only to have them fall apart, but now I buy them because I prefer them.
I find them more comfortable and lighter than the Mizunos.  But I also 
like the Nikes.  The sizing on the asiacs are regular for me so I wouldn't
hesitate to buy them from a catalog if I saw a good deal on a pair.  I
haven't had any problems with them falling apart, although I never wear 
my volleyball shoes outside, just in the gym.  The leather asiacs seem 
to hold up just fine.  The only thing I've noticed, is that suade still
tears easily, but I've found that with other shoes also. 

Terri

-- 
Terri Fukuhara	
fukuhara@austin.ibm.com
IBM Austin - AWD (Advanced Workstation Division) 
My Opinion and Mine Alone
From: julian@frey.lbl.gov (julian cortella)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Clever team names
Date: 8 Oct 1992 15:13:43 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA USA
Distribution: na
Reply-To: julian@frey.lbl.gov (julian cortella)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.81

>My favorite has always been 'Safe Sets'.
>-- 
>Parker Mann                xepama@usbk03.bk5001.chevron.com

I'm currently on a team called "Will work for sets".  (we have
quite a large number of "will work for food" sign-holders in the
area).



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From: marshall@software.org (Eric Marshall)
Subject: Re: Clever team names
Organization: Software Productivity Consortium, Herndon, Virginia
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:26:14 GMT

	Howz about:

		Bye
		Cancelled
		Disqualified
		No Show
		Postponed
		Rescheduled
                                                               o

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From: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Clever team names
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:49:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: faulen.asd.sgi.com

In <1992Oct8.001427.13653@nntpserver.chevron.com> xepama@usbk03.bk5001.chevron.com (Parker Mann) writes:

>In article <164@trident.datasys.swri.edu> mark@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Mark D. Collier) writes:
>>
>>league. We are trying to come up with a clever name for our team (which
>>
>My favorite has always been 'Safe Sets'.

similarly 'sets on the beach'

sj
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From: mkrogers@unix.amherst.edu (MICHAEL K ROGERS)
Subject: Re: New FIVB rules : official text
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:45:24 GMT

Geoffrey Clemm (geoff@flash.bellcore.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Oct9.135932.885@unine.ch> Laurent.Wenker@dcal.unine.ch (Laurent Wenker) writes:
:    8. Rule 16.4.1
:    ==============
:    Contact of the net is a fault only when the action of playing the ball is in
:    the front zone.
: 
: Does *anyone* have *any* idea why this incredibly stupid rule was added by
: supposedly non-brain-dead sapient adults ?  What possible improvement to the
: game does it provide ?

Well, here's something that has happened to me.  A blocker after
blocking will pivot and get back to get an attack approach.  Sometimes
in pivoting the blocker will brush the net.  In my experience
this is called less than half the times it occurs.  The refs
usually aren't watching.  Teams get upset when it's called and
when it's not called.  To argue that the blockers need this
advantage is pretty weak IMHO.  However there is a further benefit
which I see.  The rule relieves the refs of the responsibility to
watch the net when the ball is in play away from the net.  This
makes the refs' jobs easier.

What do you think?  Maybe there's another reason.

	-mike
From: davec@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Dave Crowder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Clever team names
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:02:47 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta


	A couple of names I thought were clever over the years were

		Dirty Half Dozen
		Slam Dewey
From: benham@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Todd D. Benham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Clever team names
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:41:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Oct12.164111.29322
Organization: Eastman Kodak


Damn, she has a nice set!
  (Works well only if you have a female setter, I guess)

Bump, set, miss.

Free Beer
Free Shots
  (These work well at bars with courts: "Free beer at court 2 ...")

Rubber balls and liquor.
Show me your nuts!
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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Balls and defense
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:25:02 GMT

In article ldjedhINN9n6@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM, rmp@crashnburn.Eng.Sun.COM (Richard Pottorff) writes:
>|In article <Aeq5yLm00YV7A1tKhz@andrew.cmu.edu> jbab+@andrew.cmu.edu (John F. Borger) writes:
>|I have two question that I need answered:
>|    1.  My team is argueing about the defense we should be using this
>|season. We play a 5-1 and have a decent, but short, block.  Should we
>|have middle back and power alley diggers with a person fairly short on
>|the line (setter position) or should we have a line and power alley
>|diggers line up off the block with a short middle for dinks (no middle
>|back)?  Any suggestions would be helpful.
>|    2.  We would also like to order new balls (probably 5V5W). Who would
>|be the cheapest and most reliable to order through?
>|
>|                                                Thanks,
>|                                                        John Borger
>|                                                        Canegie-Mellon Univ.
>|
>|/**/
>|
>|John,
>|
>|Addressing #1, I'd do a middle back defense, and keep the setter fairly deep,
>|as the hitters won't be trying to dink over a short block. I'd also have
>|middle back rotate a bit toward the side the set is on, as well as opposite
>|back.
>|
>|I play in classes a lot, and its not rare for me to play left back behind a
>|short person with a 2"-4" vertical leap.  When that happens, I try to play
>|fairly deep (if only to give me a little more reaction time when a massive
>|hit comes my way) and hope the hitter decides to try to dink on me. When

Problem is, if they are any good at hitting they can hit down right in front of you.

>|there's a tall blocker in front of me, I cheat up pretty close, to cover
>|the dink, and hope middle back will be able to get to the balls the hitter
>|tries to hit over the blocker and me to the back line.
>|

The problem is for the rest of your defense to adjust to you.  If you play up, the MB guy has to cover the corner, and the LF guy has to back up to cover angle.  If you go back and play defense, the whole defense has to cover less area, but is
susceptable to dinks.

>|#2) No idea.
>|
>|
>|--
>|Hypocrits are known for their consistency. 
>|
>|NOT!
>|Ramblin'



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Subject: Re: Clever Names Summary
From: ashley@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Ashley Gorakhpurwalla)
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:03:05 GMT
Reply-To: ashley@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Ashley Gorakhpurwalla)
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

In article <1992Oct12.235436.4201@research.nj.nec.com> tim@research.nj.nec.com (Tim Van Der Avoird) writes:
>In article <167@trident.datasys.swri.edu> mark@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Mark >D. Collier) writes:
>>Thanks to all those who submitted their favorite clever names. Following
>>is a list of all (most) of the names I received. I appologize if your
>>suggestion was left off. I received so many replies that I have had 
>>trouble keeping track of them.

>[a zillion names deleted]

>So, what's it gonna be, boy?

I guess Mark has not read this yet so I'll answer. We (actually our "coach")
chose S.M.A.S.H. BTW I didn't realize we had such an interested following in
NJ, boy.

-ash
From: lapoinml@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Clever team names
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:26:37 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

I personally like our name last year:

R.I.P.  (Which stood for Really Immense Penises)

~ Mike

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From: dsteele&almaden.ibm.com@ibmarc.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Adult Vball Camp - San Jose/Sacramento
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:30:30 GMT
Reply-To: dsteele&almaden.ibm.com ()


|> I have heard good things about these camps.  They're a very good workout.
|> I've also heard that Craig Buck and Eric Sato show up for, at the most,
|> an hour of the whole weekend.  
|> 

   I have also attended two of these camps several years ago and the
   star players including J. Root.  Garry & Lianne  Sato etc were there for 
   the entire weekend. Gary Sato was the main coach for the full weekend. 
 
   Everyone was invited to their hotel hot tub after the first full day 
   and I remember the players showing up for several hours of the evening.  
 
                               Dave

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From: daryl@cup.hp.com (Daryl Odnert)
Subject: Calling Plays During A Rally
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:44:08 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4
Keywords: team strategy



How do volleyball teams playing at a competitive level call their
offensive plays after the first volley?  For example, how does the
hitter know what kind of set to expect?  Does the setter signal
the hitter, does the hitter signal the setter, or does something
else happen?

When watching "good" teams play, I've seen the setter give signals
and I've seen hitters giving signals before the ball is served.
Are additional signals being passed after the ball is served and
I just haven't noticed them?

My team hasn't quite gotten to this level of sophistication yet,
but I'm hoping we will someday.

Daryl Odnert     daryl@cup.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard
Cupertino, California
From: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: new FIVB rules...
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:45:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvrFv4.2Jq
Reply-To: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Originator: gamg6900@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

lochem@fys.ruu.nl (Gert-Jan van Lochem) writes:

>In <BvqHp4.E3J@cs.columbia.edu> swfc@cs.columbia.edu (Shu-Wie F Chen) writes:

>>Just got my latest issue of Volleyball.  They have a small blurb about
>>the changes adopted by FIVB and USVBA (college and high schools may
>>or may not adopt these changes).  Note that these changes favor the
>>defense:

>>1. No 17-point cap in the *fifth* game.  Rally point scoring still
>>applies.
>! Good idea, although nothing can beat the thrill of the ball of Olof van
>de Meulen against the Azzuri in Barcelona.!

Oh, yeah, I can't believe no one has lampooned this yet! (though to be
fair this match didn't make TV in the USA)

It's the first match of men's playoffs, Holland versus Italy: a wild match,
back and forth, tremendous drama, up and down, until finally game 5 rally
score is tied at 16-16 with Italy serving -- all Holland has to do
is sideout to win the match. Who are they going to set? Ron Zwerver. Okay,
Italy serves, but NO -- the set goes to Olof van de Meulen, who, faced with
the responsibility of swinging for the match, rolls the ball over the block
for a kill. It WAS exciting. It was NOT impressive. 

Still, I guess you do what you must to win.

						Greg Martin
						g-martin1@uiuc.edu
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From: hog@bnr.ca (Roger Seelaender)
Subject: re: Pool Workout
Reply-To: Post in this group   
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP Info Systems
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:53:01 GMT

Yoonho Ha writes:
>Since I had knee surgery, one of things I've been doing for therapy is doing
>jumping in the pool to lessen the stress on my knees.  I was wondering if 
>anyone can recommend a good training regimen for the pool that will help
>build my vertical back, because currently it is almost nil.


I have a copy of a good jump program that was developed by Ruth 
Nelson and Sandy Stewart called "Resistance Training in the Pool".
If you want a copy, send a self addressed (and stamped) envelope
to me. I'll get it back to you in a few days. Happy jumping....

Roger Seelaender
664 Granville Woods
Wake Forest, NC 27587
From: koppes@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Rosaine Koppes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Adult Vball Camp - San Jose/Sacramento
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:48:39 GMT
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.

>Adult Volleyball Instructional Camps
>   San Jose: Intermediate and Advanced    10/10 - 10/11


  Allen Allen will be one of the coaches at this weekends camp.


>For further information call Athletic Sports Foundation (ASF)
>at (510)975-0952 (tell them I referred you).

Tom Jack       arpa:taj@cup.hp.com       uucp:uunet!hplabs!hpda!taj
Coach, Lincoln High School Boys and South Valley Club Boys
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From: wang@sparc23.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Western Forum Format
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:51:55 GMT
Reply-To: wang@cs.uiuc.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

To summarize:
    1.  any number of blockers (or maybe only 4)
    2.  attack line moved from 3m to 4m
    3.  serve anywhere along the baseline
    4.  rally scoring to 27, then normal scoring to 30

The *real* question is, what effect did these format changes have on the
way the teams played?  Did they really bring a back-row player up to
constantly double- and triple-block?  If so, did it help the defense?
Did it make for longer rallies?  Did teams still hit out of the back
row?  Effectively?

The way I visualize it, teams would start four blockers at the net to
insure a double block on the outlet hitter and still be able to
commit-block quick hits and middle combinations.  Hitters, faced with a
block that would, on average, be more solid and better-positioned, would
have a slightly more difficult time terminating balls -- we'd see more
balls coming off blocks, and maybe more digs as hitters get channeled
into well-defended alleys.  Back-row hits would still be used, but be
reduced from primary-weapon status to mild-desperation status -- players
at this level regularly hit from 2m off, 3m off is only slightly more
difficult (i.e. no blockers = toast), but at 4m off, even these guys
might have to start worrying about reaching as high as they can and
trading power for precision.  Overall, with weaker offense and stronger
defense, it sounds like the game would be more balanced and rallies
would last longer.  That's the theory, anyways -- does it hold up?
(Sure wish I could see it for myself.)

Eric Wang
wang@sml0.ge.uiuc.edu
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From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Re: New Shoes
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:46:01 GMT

   Get shoes that are the most comfortable. 		

   I have both Asics and Mizunos and I like both shoes equally. They are
both very comfortable and have traction and have help up well. I have
the Mizuno Powerstars and Asics Crushers. The Asics do run LARGE. I just
got the Asics Pacifics (real cheap through my coaching job) and they are
huge. Anyway, don't buy a shoe until you have tried it on.



                                                  - Drummer -



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