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From: maslak@unix.SRI.COM (Valerie Maslak)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Where to eat near Bill Graham Civic Auditorium?
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:52:52 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

In article <1ikjft$5mn@agate.berkeley.edu> bedk@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Brian E.D. Kingsbury) writes:
>In article <27Ob03Ydc8Xb00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, lmtra@uts.amdahl.com (Leon Traister) writes:
>|> Easiest thing in the world.  There are a number of good and
>|> interesting restaurants in the Civic Aud area:

>|> 1) Less than a block away on Grove is an Ethiopian restaurant "Nyala"
>|>    - they run a super vegetarian buffet for under $7 or you can order
>|>    dead animal dishes off the menu.

I like Nyala, and it's usually not too crowded. 

 
>|> 2) A little further away on Hayes, the famous, expensive and good
>|>    "Hayes Street Grill"

The food it good, but you HAVE to have a reservation, in my
experience.

>A couple other good restaurants in the area are

>Spuntino's -- Italian and California-Italian.  The pizzas and foccaccias
>              are especially good, but I've never been disappointed.  The
>              prices are quite reasonable ($7-$10 for an entree).  This
>              has become one of my standards for pre-symphony dining.

A friend of mine who is a caterer in the city recommended this one
also. I'm looking forward to trying it.


>Max's Opera Cafe -- They serve a little of everything, but their deli-style
>                    dishes are some of their best.  Huge portions, friendly
>                    service.  They got a pretty good review in this week's
>                    SF Bay Guardian.

If you come at prime time, be prepared for a wait, but the food is
hearty and reliable. You get singing waiters in the evening.

>Both restauarants are up Van Ness a couple blocks from Grove.

I think that Monsoon, a "multi-oriental" place that's gotten good
reviews, is also in Opera Plaza where you find Max's. Isn't there a
Modesto Lanzone's in there too?

>Other places that are worth considering are Stars, Stars Cafe, Salud, and
>Ivy's.  I've not eaten at any of these, but they look nice...

We eat at Ivy's all the time. It's generally good, a bit yuppie,
quick service when you ask for it to meet a curtain...It's VERY
popular with the arts community...most of the guest artists
at the symphony get treated to dinner here and the Museum of Modern
Art uses it for lots of patron dinners. We went to the Christmas
organ concert at Davies and hit Ivy's afterward for coffee and dessert,
and the organist and several other performers were at the next table.

Valerie Maslak


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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Real Donuts[tm] Like They Make Back East
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:10:20 GMT


In article <1993Jan8.192828.29665@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> you write:
>In article <Jym.7Jan1993.0923@naughty-peahen> jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
writes:
>>>=o= Subject line says it all.  Does anyone know where
>>>I can find Real Donuts[tm] like they make Back East?
>>>    <_Jym_>
>
>>Don't know what they taste like back east (at least further east than MN
>>but some of the best ones out here are in Santa Clara - Chet's on Homestead
>>between Kiely & San Thomas
>>they also serve up great hambergers & shakes from their lunch counter
>
>Did you mean Stan's???

I stand corrected

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From: kerch@reynaldo.parc.xerox.com (Berry Kercheval)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Real Donuts[tm] Like They Make Back East
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:25:45 GMT
	<uj9pevs@zola.esd.sgi.com>
Reply-To: kerch@parc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox PARC, Palo Alto, CA

>>>>> On 7 Jan 93 19:43:24 GMT, cook@bebop.esd.sgi.com (Doug Cook) said:


Doug> In article <1993Jan7.185544.13640@netcom.com>, bob@netcom.com writes:
> In article <Jym.7Jan1993.0923@naughty-peahen> jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
> >=o= Subject line says it all.  Does anyone know where
> >I can find Real Donuts[tm] like they make Back East?
> >    <_Jym_>
> 
> Yes.  New York, Delaware, Massachusetts, New Jersey,  etc.
> Now go back and get them.

Doug> Yawn. How predictable.

Yes, but if he would tell us what it is about "back east" donuts that
make them special maybe some of us westerners could help him out
instead of flaming.  As it is, Jym's original query could arguable be
called inflammatory.  Or at least "possibly controversial".

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From: jql@synopsys.Synopsys.COM (Julie Lewis)
Subject: Re: South Bay Food (Chez Nous)
Followup-To: ba.food
Organization: Synopsys Inc., Mountain View, CA 94043
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:08:58 GMT


I'll second the recommendation for Chez Nous.  We were there about 
6 months ago in one of the tatami rooms.  The Japanese menu is the 
largest and most interesting I had ever seen.  With such a huge selection, 
I didn't mind so much that they weren't serving one of my choices
that evening.  The food was *fabulous*.  Everything was incredibly
fresh and nicely presented.  I'd recommend making a 
meal of a selection of appetizers, just so you can try more dishes.

For dessert, they brought us the French menu.  We had a fantastic souffle,
some good strawberry profiteroles, and an out of this world version
of bananas foster.

Boy I miss that neighborhood!  PJs for burgers, Uno's for Chicago-style
pizza, Cicero's for thin crust pizza, Yuen Yung for Chinese, Willy's
for bbq, etc, etc
-- 
Julie Lewis                                    jql@synopsys.com
"What did I expect to find behind a door that's been sealed for
three centuries?  Monty Hall?"  --Erica Kane, locked in a crypt
From: karl@uts.amdahl.com (Karl Rowley)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: (New) Chinese in Mountain View
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:18:50 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec21.215912.23924@ntmtv> janet@ntmtv.UUCP (Janet Jakstys) writes:
>
>If Castro chinese is soooo baaaad, where *are* there good chinese 
>restaurants in the vicinity?
>

Try Grand China on El Camino just 1 block towards Palo Alto from Rengstorff
Ave.  Also, I like the Hunan Home restaurant on El Camino near Showers
Drive.  Another decent restaurant used to be the Sun-Sun restaurant right
next to Tin-Tin on El Camino, although I haven't been there in years.


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From: jim@specialix.com (Jim Maurer)
Subject: Re: Real Donuts[tm] Like They Make Back East
Organization: Specialix Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:26:15 GMT

spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:

>Part of the problem is there are no Dunkin' Donuts franchises
>out here in California (except for one in I believe 
>Inglewood).

There is a Dunkin' Donuts on Camden Ave. in San Jose.  I think
it's at Camden and Union.
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Peninsula lunch lace to take a friend visiting from Japan?
Date: 8 Jan 93 07:51:37 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

In article <530086@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> tmerriam@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Tom Merriam) writes:
}
}My current favorite for "American Food" in this area is Birk's in Sunnyvale
}on Freedom Circle (Great America Parkway). Great decor, good food etc.

Another vote for Birk's. Never been there for lunch, but it is great
food and a very nice (if yuppish) atmosphere. Definitely the American
lunch comparable to a full sushi dinner.

I also want to cast a vote AGAINST MacArthur Park, where they make the
ordinary intensely expensive. If you're going to spend that kind of
money, at least go to Birk's and get your money's worth.
-- 
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Newsgroups: ba.food
From: joday@ADS.COM (Jane O'Day)
Subject: re: Real Donuts
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415) 960-7300
						Jane
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:33:43 GMT
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Culture for cheese.
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:24:42 GMT
Organization: Memes-R-Us
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich) writes:

>RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:

>>A question a vegetarian friend asked me recently was about the cultures 
>>used to make cheese. Is it made from extracts from intestines of calves? 
>>I would appreciate an answer from the cognoscenti.

>Looking through my references, rennin is the actual substance that
>causes the coagulation or 'culturing'.  Rennin is the chemical agent
>found in rennet, and rennet is traditionally extracted from a calves'
>stomach.

I think it's a biological procedure, not a chemical procedure. When one
says "culture", one is usually referring to a bacteriological colony of
some sort.

Probably a form of fungi ... a spore which may make its home in the
stomach of cows, but which assuredly can be cultivated elsewhere.

This is more analogous to making bread, or brewing ale, or culturing
yogurt, I think.


-- richard

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=====
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From: lmtra@uts.amdahl.com (Leon Traister)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Where to eat near Bill Graham Civic Auditorium?
Date: 8 Jan 93 04:55:22 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <lkhe26INNfg@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> paular@kubiki.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Subject line says it all. I'm not picky, well, fast food is out. Chineese, Italian,
>Thai, Seafood, BBQ or whatever. Any suggestions appreciated. 
>
>thanks

Easiest thing in the world.  There are a number of good and
interesting restaurants in the Civic Aud area:

1) Less than a block away on Grove is an Ethiopian restaurant "Nyala"
   - they run a super vegetarian buffet for under $7 or you can order
   dead animal dishes off the menu.

2) A little further away on Hayes, the famous, expensive and good
   "Hayes Street Grill"

3) Others - Caffe Della Stelle (Italian), Thepin Thai, Eliza's
   (Chinese)

Hope this gives you enough to go on.

========================================================================

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From: DeadHead@cup.portal.com (Bruce M Ong)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Hong Kong FLower Lounge
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 12:26:35 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba
  <1992Dec30.011613.4447@news.csd.sgi.com>
  <1993Jan5.185735.977@hspice.portal.com>

>In article <1992Dec30.011613.4447@news.csd.sgi.com> chew@macross.csd.sgi.com (
S
>tephen Chew) writes:
>
>>
>> [ . . . ]
>>
	[ Other stuff about HKFL]

>>I believe it's better then any
>>chinese restaurant in Mt. View. (which is what started this thread)
>>If you are coming from S.F. there is one on Geary but I've never eaten
>>there.
>
>     I've been to the city outlet, and it's not quite as nice as the Millbrae
>restaurant.  It's smaller and more crowded, with less room between tables.  Th
e
>Millbrae one is newer and much better on atmosphere.  I think the food's bette
r
>at the Millbrae location too, but my most recent trips to the city have been i
n
>the early afternoon.  By then, they're about to stop serving dim sum and the
>selection is smaller and not as fresh, either.
>
	I do agree. If you want to go to HKFL, the big one on Milbrae ave
is the one to go. The one in SF looks like just another restaurant, and I 
wasnt too pleased at all with the food the couple of times I went there. 

>     If you're in the area, I think a trip to HKFL in Millbrae is worth it.  I
n
>the city, I'd rather go to Mayflower.
>
	
	I just rediscovered a great place -- Hong Kong East Ocean in 
Emeryville. Went there a couple of years ago for dinner and was very fond
of the place. Then later on  I heard they changed owner or something, so 
I kind of erased that name from my list. Last sunday morning for dim sum
I went there with friends who were visiting me in the city, and we were all 
totally amazed by the quality of the food, and the atomsphere of the place. 
It's well worth the trip across the bay bridge.

	I havent been back there for dinner in a couple of years, does anybody
know if their dinner is just as good as their dim sum on weekends?

>							George
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>----
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---
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From: lazzaro@boom.CS.Berkeley.EDU (John Lazzaro)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Peninsula lunch lace to take a friend visiting from Japan?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 21:35:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: boom.cs.berkeley.edu

>In article <1993Jan6.075544.902@netcom.com> tenney@netcom.com (Glenn S. Tenney) writes:
>>A friend of mine from Japan is coming to town and I'm taking him out to
>>lunch and want it to be very special and very American.  


The Buffalo Grill in San Mateo is another alternative (caveat: I've only
read great reviews, haven't been there yet myself).
Newsgroups: ba.food
From: tenney@netcom.com (Glenn S. Tenney)
Subject: A lunch at 231 Ellsworth
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 09:07:14 GMT

A few people suggested that I take my Japanese friends to
231 Ellsworth for lunch.  I took my wife there a couple of
years ago, so we decided to test drive it today for lunch.

The menu is quasi fixed price.  Choice of soup, salad, or
appetizer, and entree is $11.50.  Special soups, appetizers,
entrees add $3 (each special) to the above.

Today's appetizer was quiche with a bit of garden salad (which
is what my wife had).  The special appetizer was a mushroom combo
(which I had just to try something different).  The entrees
were a seafood pasta, rolled petrale sole with rice (my wife's
choice), grilled chicken breast with mashed potatoes (my choice),
mushroom risotto (a vegetarian selection), a special fish was
grilled halibut, the chef's special was short ribs.

The service was VERY attentive -- no rolls on the table, they plop
a fresh one down within minutes of you finishing one.  It was a pleasant
environment, and quiet.  All no smoking I believe.

My wife's quiche was small, but tasty.  My special mushrooms were
grilled in butter (rich, and here I was trying to be good:-).  Only
problem was that my wife started having an allergic reaction to something
at this point (itching neck, etc.) -- of course, we shared each others
food to taste.

My wife liked her fish, but I didn't.  When she was full we noticed that
inner piece of the left-over rolled fish was still quite raw.  We eat
sushi, but didn't expect it in what was supposed to be cooked.  My chicken
was very good.

All in all, we felt it was a bit pricey for what we got.  That came
to $26 for two plus tax and tip, no drinks (I had too much programming
to do afterwards).  There's a very nice French restaurant that is a
similar meal (soup or salad, entree) where many entrees are around $13
for dinner that we felt was much better.

A nice meal, but not what I think a visiting Japanese friend would want.
I think they'd want more red meat, or more traditional selections,
or at least more varied selections.

Would we go back?  I don't know.     Nice, but...  Not as nice as their
reputation would make you think.    

p.s.

We went to the Buffalo Grill first to give them a try.  That's the
second time we've tried to go there.  This time, the only tables
they had for a walk-in at 11:40 was the tiny smoking section, or
the counter.  The rest of the place was almost completely empty.
They have lots of reservations.  Their lunch menu seemed to be lots
of yuppie sandwiches.  The other time we tried going there around
5:30 for an early dinner.  Again the place was almost completely empty
and they said it would be a 45 minute wait.  I have this thing against
reservations -- I rarely know a day ahead when I'll want to (or have
time to) go out for lunch...   Reservations for a lunch!  Sheesh!


-- 
Glenn Tenney
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From: chew@macross.csd.sgi.com (Stephen Chew)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Tsing Tao, on Broadway (Oakland)
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:47:10 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <6b2h031Lc87t00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, christil@uts.amdahl.com (Christine Lee) writes:
|> In article <11JAN199314184361@addvax.llnl.gov>, lim@addvax.llnl.gov
|> (Doug Lim) writes: 
|> > In article <1993Jan11.195026.3610@news.csd.sgi.com>,
|> > chew@macross.csd.sgi.com (Stephen Chew) writes... 
|> > I would not consider the Jade Villa for a banquet or a special occasion like
|> > a wedding reception. My experience has been rather poor to rude
|> > service at the Jade Villa. I would go with Stephen's recommendation
|> > of the Lantern for nice atmosphere over the Jade Villa.
|> > 
|> > | | | |     |      Doug Lim - DougLim@llnl.gov       |
|> 
|> I went to a wedding reception just recently (a few months ago) at
|> Tsing Tao and it was really nice.  The food was good and they had the
|> entire upstairs for the banquet - I think there were about 250 people
|> (25 tables).  I don't think Jade Villa is half as nice.  Do they even
|> have banquet facilities at Jade Villa?  

I have to agreee that I have never (and I've been there a few times
for different occasions) been impressed with Jade Villa.  They will do
a banquet (they partition off the room and have two entrances) but
got to the other restaurants.

I put Jade Villa there because alot (suprinsing to me) of people I know
associate this restaurant with quality.  Oh well, to each it's own.
I still like Lantern for Banquets.  Their ball room is very nice.
--
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SGI Product Support              but please recycle the old one.  
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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: bakery, downtown San Jose
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 15:28:43 GMT

this is From: murakami@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Jamie Murakami)


Hi, there is an excellent bakery called Aki's in San Jose.  There are
two locations...one in Japantown in San Jose and the other one is near
Valley Fair Mall, where the old Sears store was.  Aki's cakes are
light, airy, and spongy and they don't use any fake, greasy frosting. 
Aki's is slightly expensive though.  Another suggestion is ordering a
cake from the Marriott Hotel.  I heard that it is possible.


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From: leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Looking For A Good Emulsifier
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:05:09 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: diver.asd.sgi.com

In article <1993Jan12.021643.22818@fivenine.apple.com> haynes@fivenine.apple.com (Charles Haynes) writes:
>
>I use a different technique when I make hot chocolate "from scratch"
>though.  It involves changing how you mix the cocoa, rather than
>adding an emulsifier.  The basic problem is wetting the cocoa, which
>floats and doesn't wet when you add it to your liquid, so instead I
>add a small amount of the liquid to the cocoa first (say half as much
>to half again as much as the powder, by volume), then mix it into a
>paste. Adding the rest of the liquid is then straightforward.

Dammit, giving away trade secrets again.  Now *everybody* will know how to 
make non-lumpy instant hot chocolate, and there will be a run on instant
hot chocoloate, and the price will go up and..... now I have to run make
myself a hot chocoloate before the all the commotion starts.  You bum.

Regards, Lee
Newsgroups: ba.food,rec.food.drink
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Eiswein and Champagne for sale
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 20:46:44 GMT

this should have gone to     rec.food.drink

In article <1993Jan5.041114.22521@leland.Stanford.EDU> jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
>	I know that this is not a "for sale" group, but I thought I 
>might get more response to this here than in ba.market.misc.  I apologize
>in advance to all those who are upset by this violation of netiquette.
>
>
>	I'm in a rather sticky financial situation right now and I'm 
>hoping to sell some of my "wine collection" to help get me out of it. 
>
>	I'm selling a demi-bouteille (i.e. 375 ml) of a 1985 Dr. Pauly 
>Bergweiler Riesling Eiswein and a recent bottle of Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin
>Champagne.  Both have been stored on their sides in a cool dark place and 
>should be perfectly fine. 
>
>	 I'd like to sell the Eiswein for $75 and the Champagne for $28 
>(or $100 on the nose if you want them both).  This is slightly less than what 
>I paid for each of them (I'm losing some money on this) and it should less 
>than you can find them for in stores.  (If you can find either one of these
>for less in stores, please let me know and I'll drop my asking price
>accordingly.)
>
>	If you're interested in buying one or both of these, or if you have 
>further questions, please send an e-mail message to 
>jchokey@leland.stanford.edu or call me at (415) 497-1398.
>
>	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>		
>	
>
>


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