From: cambler@zeus.calpoly.edu (The Squire, Phish)
Subject: Re: Update on "ONE" and "IBECC"
Organization: Fantasy, Incorporated: Reality None of Our Business.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:56:46 GMT

You will excuse flame mode for a moment, but what bug crawled up YOUR
ass and rotted?

Could this be ANY MORE BIASED that it already is?!

mrogers@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Rogers) recently informed us:
> 
>I must admit I've snooped around and not been exactly 100 percent
>honest when I called both the "ONE" group and the "IBECC" group.

Good start.

>mr)  I called both of them with a modem problem (I just got a USR Dual
>mr)  Standard) and asked questions, but seem to be getting some
>mr)  conflicting responses.

One question. Why would ANYONE expect a trade show and/or convention to
answer modem problems? Would you call the COMDEX people with a hard drive
question? Would you call INTEROP with an ethernet question? What are you
trying to accomplish here?

>mr)  At "ONE" (I called 303 693-5253) I talked to a Peggy Kaniglio (sp?)
>mr)  and was told that "ONE" and "IBECC" are the same thing, only "ONE"
>mr)  is a trade show and "IBECC" is the educational conference. That
>mr)  sounds awfully different to me. I wanted to ask a question about how
>mr)  to set up the modem, and got the answer to come to the conference
>mr)  (which is $175.00!!! whew!) and there would be people who coult help
>mr)  me there.

You call a conference HQ, you get conference info. You did NOT call a
tech support line. Again, I can't BELIEVE your ignorance. And taking that
ignorance and making it into a slam of ONE is not only ignorant, but
recklessly slanderous!

>If you're half as smart as the average CRT you're beginning to see a
>trend and a snow job.

I think you should have posted this in alt.consipracy along with all
the illuminati crap.

ONE and IBECC are both reputable organizations, putting on essentially
the same type of show, but with different targets. Can't you leave it
at that and make your choice? Must you resort to deceit to try and find
'facts' that slam one?

I attended and spoke at IBECC 91, and have nothing but praise for the
organizers. I enjoyed the conference quite a bit. This year, ONE asked
my organization if I could speak there, and they confirmed. I've watched
the show prepare, and I've spoken directly to Jack Rickard during the
process, and I can PERSONALLY assure you that there's no 'snow job'
going on here. I even received a note from IBECC asking me if I might
drop by for a while. Professionalism on BOTH SIDES.

What we have here is competition. Plain and simple. And there are those with
loyalties that make me question their motives. Mr. Rogers, you fall into
this catagory, I believe. Your article was biased, and used degrading
logic and phrasology against ONE. If you're trying to present facts, as you
say, you failed miserably. Witness below:

>"ONE" now has a modest _limit_ of 1000 people, is holding their
>convention at the Stouffer (a far cry from the Denver Tech Center),
>and - in their last local ad - claims to be a "TRADE SHOW" (again)
>for the "SYSOPS". According to their schedule in the July Boardwatch
>magazine, it's a TBBS and Wildcat show, with a couple of sessions
>thrown in for those of use who don't run either and who aren't
>particularly interested in "Running a BBS for Profit"!

The above paragraph is SLANTED, BIASED, and, in reference to the last 
sentence, FALSE. Tim Pozar, myself, and others are working on a track
to speak about the Internet. This is a MAJOR part of the conference, and
has nothing to do with Wildcat and TBBS.

>Still, I continued reading the "older" material and got more and
>more _disgusted_ by these people at "ONE". The nerve of them trying
>to call themselves the "ONE BBScon"! More like a BBS conJOB!

Again, for something that was proportedly a factual article, there's a lot
of opinion in here...

>I understand business - all's fair they say - but this is downright
>business fascism! The people at "ONE" are saying that "ONE" is the
>"national" organization and "IBECC" is the "local" organization and
>that they're working together. NOT!

Where did you see this? Source, please.

>These big BBS types have _NO ETHICS_ and _NO MORALS_!

The pot calling th kettle black, it seems to me.

>Or, be cowards and choose neither. This is a vote just as important
>to bbsing as is choosing a president in November - and at least in
>this one we have a real choice!

The rally cry of the idiot. Mr. Rogers, why don't YOU get a clue.

To the readers:

If you have questions about this all, and want FACTS, then call both
and find out for YOURSELF. Like I said, both organizations are run by
respected professional people. Mr. Rogers took the information he
received and ran it through his own personal bias. Please don't blindly
belive him, but find out for yourself.


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