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From: mpv@ecl.psu.edu (Mike Rivkind)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Any Humanities Grads out there?
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:17:18 EDT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

>   Engineers seem to take a sick pride in having a firm grasp on terminology
>   that no one else can understand.  The flagrant abuse of techno-jargon
>   means that the rest of the "ignorant world" can blunder in the dark while
>   engineers spout such combobulations as
>
>      "By linearising the higher-order expansions to the interfacial wave 
>       perturbations, significant downscaling of the time-stepping is achieved."

[begin sarcasm]

Yes, down with descriptive words.  Articulation must die!
DIE...DIE...DIE...DIE...AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Maybe the writer should have said:
      "I did some mathematical thing to simplify a formula that describes the
       back and forth movement at the meeting of the two fluids.  And this 
       made the computer run faster!" 

Getting rid of words like "linear", "higher-order expansions", "interface",
"wave", "perterbation", "scaling", and "time-step" would cripple you if you
were trying to write that paper.

I've got a great idea.  Let's ban all words that relate to a
particular profession.  All that Latin stuff that doctor's use have got to
go.  And death to any accountant that uses the word "debit" or "credit".
Alot of people don't understand accounting and those words were created to
make them feel stupid!

Maybe we should ban the things that these represent!  Let's cut off the entire
realm of mathematics at anything more difficult than "linear".  Actually,
some people think trigonometry is scary, so let's wipe that out too.

[end sarcasm]

I don't know about the person who wrote the quote above, but it makes perfect
sense to me.  As hard as I try, I can't think of a better way to say it.
Sorry if my sarcasm got the best of me, but do you actually believe that the
author of that quote wrote those words out of "sick pride"?!  

When I describe my work to my family, I use explanations like my quote
interpretation above.  They understand it.  Obviously, I would never write 
like that in a technical paper.  It is very nebulous.  No one would know
exactly what I was talking about.  I would be dismissed as being unable to
convey my ideas.  This is all obvious.  But how, may I ask you, would you
have written the quote so as not to offend anyone with your "sick pride"?


Mike Rivkind
mpv@ecl.psu.edu
Graduate Department of Aero Engg
Penn State University

"Quantum mechanics is stranger than science fiction." -- Gary Zukav
"I'm done with him" -- My Cousin Vinny
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Subject: Re: Engg./Sciences bashing (Re: Are there any humanities grads. out there ?)
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:25:48 GMT

ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:

>If you mean a huge and induvidual
>contribution, like inventing the microprocessor, that's pretty
>rare, but what do you think those 99% of engineers do to get
>that hefty salary? 

Since the end of World War II, I would say that many of the most talented
have unfortunately been involved in the design of strategic weapons systems.  
I don't want to get involved in a flame war over this, but I don't see such 
systems as doing a great deal to increase anyone's standard of living.

To allude to your previous post, it's far better that they should be figuring
out how to make sugar stick to donuts.  Now that's something with a direct 
benefit.  (Oh, the embarassment!  Maybe I should bleach my beard and wear
white trousers...)

On the other hand, the notion that we should be living our lives primarily
to benefit society strikes me as misguided.  It's hard to do anyone any good
if you're not enjoying your own life.

--
Paul Callahan       | "... the 'spineless prickly pear' ... this long-neglected 
callahan@cs.jhu.edu | gift of nature, which now promises to be of as great or 
                    | even greater value to the human race than the discovery 
BIFF WHERE ARE YOU? | of steam."                      -- Luther Burbank, 1911
From: troch@gandalf.Rutgers.EDU (Rod Troch)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Fraternity 'lil sisters
Date: 11 Apr 92 05:01:49 GMT
Organization: Right Coast HQ For Stupid Pub Tricks
In-reply-to: justin@m2xenix.psg.com's message of 5 Apr 92 01:03:29 GMT

>>>>> On 5 Apr 92 01:03:29 GMT, justin@m2xenix.psg.com (Justin Norman) said:

	Justin> just to shed another perspective to lil sisters... at
	Justin> some chapters they got involved in the house to the

I think that by now most fraternities have outlawed the 'Lil Sister
program.  Atleast on a national level.  I guess it won't stop the
local chapter from still having them.  But the liability must be
great.

Rod
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internet        : troch@gandalf.rutgers.edu     | 
                : troch@pilot.njin.net          | happyHappy joyJoy
Newsgroups: soc.college

04/06/92


Hi,Debra and UC IRVINE's netters:

About couple weeks ago,I posted a note and would like to receive any information
about UCI and the Biological Sciences program there from UCI netters.
Those informations are very important to us since my daughter will attend the
UCI in the fall of 1992.

Two weeks ago,I received a response from you,Debra,with some good idea and
suggestions regarding to this matter.Unfortunatly,I deleted your mail by mistakebefore I even have time to save it.

So,Debra,I am very sorry about it and would you kindly re-Email your response
to me again.

Thank you very much for your help.

Pham Phan

P.S.
I could not E-mail directly to you because of my mistake so I have to post it    
in soc.college.


* Also,if any of UCI's netters has any idea or info. about housing,study programstudy group ,schedule,which class need to take first,which teacher is better,
please let me know via E-mail.


Thank you very much for your help.We plan to go down there during Easter week,
hope to see you all there.

Pham Phan

Xref: sparky soc.college:2012 talk.rape:931 soc.women:9081
From: h2m@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (JA)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Wait Listed...
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:41:50 EST
Followup-To: michael de paola or eric comforto or somebody,soc.college
Distribution: usa,soc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Apr4.203958.10700@husc3.harvard.edu>,
fein2@husc8.harvard.edu (Ronald Fein) writes: 
> 
> Also btw - you'll notice from my header that I attend Harvard.  So I must
> mention that
> 
> YALE SUCKS!!!!
> 
> :) :) :) :) :)

BROWN SWALLOWS!!!!!!

:)  :)  :)  :)  :)

-- 
               _____        |Justin 'Ja' Norfleet       117 Stewart Avenue
              /    /        |Mechanical Engineering     Ithaca, NY  14850-4513
             /    /         |Cornell University         h2m@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
    ____    /    / _______  |
   /   /   /    / /  ___  | |NYS EMS CFR                FF Co. 9 Ithaca FD
  /   /___/    / /  /  /  | |"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
 /            / /  /__/   | | Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."
 \___________/  \______/\_\ |                       -Groucho Marx
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: GROW UP
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:20:12 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr5.155651.7205@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Isabelle.Marie-Anne.Rosso@dartmouth.edu (Isabelle Marie-Anne  Rosso) writes:
>
>      Well put Ron... I'm sure everyone has more interesting
>contributions to make to this newsgroup than pointless, ridiculous,
>un-interesting flames.

Indeed.  In fact, I think that Isabelle and Ron should offer to
co-moderate soc.college so that no one else will have to read any
posts that they might not want to.  Then this newsgroup will be perfect.

-- Ted "For you, at least" Frank
-- 
Ted Frank          + "A word is not a crystal, transparent and unchanged, it
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  is the skin of a living thought and may vary greatly in
U o' C Law Skool   +  color and content according to the circumstances and
Chi, IL 60637      +  the time in which it is used."  --  Holmes
From: banerji@dirac.physics.sunsyb.edu (Pratip K. Banerji)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Cornell computers...
Keywords: cornell, tell me, tell me, tell me
Date: 5 Apr 92 20:09:19 GMT
Reply-To: banerji@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu (Pratip K. Banerji)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, SUNY at Stony Brook


Umdeedeedeedum. Hello out there... Anyone out there familiar with
Cornell and what they have to offer along the line of undergraduate
computing facilities? I'm not talking about PCs and Macs here... I
mean more powerful machines with net access. 

Thanks a bundle.


P.S. College of Engineering, but that shouldn't really make a difference,
should it? Also, the key word it UNDERGRADUATE. :)

-- 
Pratip K. Banerji/\banerji@max.physics.sunysb.edu/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-pbanerji@sbccmail.BITNET=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

*<|:-))	Santa Claus
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.college.folklore,alt.flame.spelling
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Not About Fraternities
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 06:28:15 GMT

In article <16APR199200562610@rosie.uh.edu> disc5e6@rosie.uh.edu (92S00302) writes:
>Group harmony? Are you sure its not because you've run out of 'clever' unfound
>ways to rip at groups which you have no knowledge of?  
>Well duck and cover Ted, even if we had had any respect for you it would be shot
>now.  Run along now there must be someone for you to pick on out there who wont 
>show you up to be the closed minded person you are.
>(by the way Ted your weak opiniated arguments remind me of another loser
>namely Rush Limbaugh, you two wouldnt happen to be related now would you)

Incidentally, 92S00302, if that is your real name, the carriage return key
is on the right side of the keyboard.  Even though it has two syllables on
the label, you shouldn't have trouble finding it.  Maybe you can buy a
friend with opposable thumbs to help.

Funny how I get flamed for talking about nothing but fraternities (as if
this was the only group I would post to), and then get flamed for *not*
posting about fraternities.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "Question whether attorney's filing claim for 'stud fee'
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  as countersuit to paternity action was improperly
U o' C Law Skool   +  motivated required remand."  Headnote 9, Committee on
Chi, IL 60637      +  Legal Ethics of WVa State Bar v Douglas, 370 SE2d 325.
From: h2m@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (JA)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Holocaust
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:10:49 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

Ok, 
do you all remember the big deal earlier this year when some guy, (i forget 
his name and I don't have the paper in front of me) ran an ad (or tried to) in 
papers across the nation claiming that the Holocaust of WWII was not as 
widespread or atrocious as everybody made it out to be?  

Well, if you don't remember, it happened.  And a lot of people were upset, not 
only with the guy that placed the ad, but with the newspapers that agreed to 
run it.  Some national papers did, some didn't and a whole debate sprang up 
about freedom of speech and wether or not the papers have a moral obligation 
to keep such ads them deem offensive out of their papers.

Anyway:

He has another ad ready to run along the same lines as the previous one.  It 
has already been sent to papers around the nation.  Here at Cornell, the Daily 
Sun  ('Ithaca's only Morning Daily') has decided not to run this ad, even 
though they ran the first one.  The ed-board decided unanimously that they 
should protect the Cornell community from such statements they feel we can not 
read, interpret and understand by ourselves. Apparently we have lost our 
ability to make our own decisions and choices since the begining of the 
semester.  Or the Sun is a bunch of hypocrites.  Or it could be something else
....


so here's the real point of this post:

Have any of the rest your respective schools/ papers printed this ad, or had 
any debate about it?  PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE REPLY.... I'M TIRED OF SEEING THE 
WORD FRATERNITY.

later...
justin

-- 
               _____        |Justin 'Ja' Norfleet       117 Stewart Avenue
              /    /        |Mechanical Engineering     Ithaca, NY  14850-4513
             /    /         |Cornell University         h2m@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
    ____    /    / _______  |
   /   /   /    / /  ___  | |NYS EMS CFR                FF Co. 9 Ithaca FD
  /   /___/    / /  /  /  | |"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
 /            / /  /__/   | | Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."
 \___________/  \______/\_\ |                       -Groucho Marx
Xref: sparky soc.college:2041 soc.women:9114 talk.rape:943
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.college,soc.women,talk.rape
Subject: Re: fraternities
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:39:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Apr15.145603.26843@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt) writes:
> In article <1992Apr15.034032.13141@news.iastate.edu> mds@iastate.edu (Mark D. Smucker) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr14.155855.2898@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com> ken@austin.ibm.com writes:
>>>#In article <1992Apr12.123401.4989@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>>#>In article <1992Apr9.185513.15773@news.iastate.edu>, mds@iastate.edu 
>>>#>(Mark D. Smucker) writes:
>>        ``A 1990 study by the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>>        concluded that 34 of the 54 reported sexual assaults were by
>>        fraternity men, even though they represent just a quarter of
>>        male students on campus.''
>>
>>	Ted Frank has explained these stats in the past as well...
>>
>>3) People who keep screaming ``But _I'M_ not more likely to rape, so
>>stop saying it!!!!'' need to understand the way stats work.  Do you
>>scream at your car insurance carrier that ``Just because I'm a young
>>male, doesn't mean _I'M_ going to wreck my car!!!'' ?
>>
> Thank you.  That's exactly what i meant.  So, lets see, if young males
> have to pay higher car insurance rate becuase they are more likely
> to get into collisions (they're not really accidents :^) ), then I propose
> that we tax fraternity members to help pay for rape counseling.  After
> all, they're more likely to do it, so they should pay more. 
> 
>>Mark D. Smucker ----  mds@iastate.edu
> 
> 
> John Erhardt

As a man, you are about 9 times more likely to rape ( a stat I got in a Psych 
class. If, as a fraternity person, I am in a high risk rape group, then you, 
as a man, are in an even higher risk group. If I am going to pay taxes to
fund a rape crisis centre (and actually, I'd rather fund a rape crisis centre
than line a politician's pocket), then you're going to have to pay too.
Mike
From: ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: A simple question about Miami (Ohio)
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:31:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ariel.13APR199211313819
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Does Miami offer any engineering programs?  Thanks to any who can answer.

RG
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin)
Subject: Fraternities
Reply-To: erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:29:49 GMT

	Is this soc.fraternity or soc.college?  Currently, I have 36  
unread articles and 34 are about fraternities.  Come on!!

			Sincerely,
			Tony Erwin

Go Rose-Hulman Fightin' Engineers!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham)
Subject: Re: Miami of Ohio
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 15 Apr 1992 09:41 EST  

In article <1992Apr14.180442.9747@news.nd.edu>, smaurer@artin.helios.nd.edu 
     (sean maurer) writes...

>As I remember from applying there last year they have two engineering
>programs paper and materials and manufacturing engineering. 

Well, that about answers the question - thanks.

>"...if you wish to strive for peace of soul and pleasure, then believe;
>if you wish to be a devotee of truth, then inquire..." Nietzsche

Gee...he makes it sound as though peace of soul and devotion to truth
are mutually exclusive concepts.  That could not have been what he meant,
could it?  :-)

RG
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: fraternities
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:35:14 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <13APR199217182074@jane.uh.edu> disc5e6@jane.uh.edu (92S00302) writes:
>I have been reading this thread for a while and the only thing
>I keep thinking is how much non-frternity people like to generalize
>about "frat boys".
>When I went to Penn State there were over 50 Fraternities with total membership
>well over a 1000 people.  To think that all of these houses were alike is
>ludicrous.  To think that all 1000++ members were alike is even more rediculous.
>To these people ripping at frternities the fact that one person at one house
>may have done something wrong means that all 1000++ people should be
>punished.
>  In addition not all frternities are all white or all black.  My house
>Phi Mu Delta(or as we called it Mudhouse) was ethnically mixed.
>When I was there of about 40 members there were three blacks(of which one was 
>the chapter president) multiple hispanics, quite a few jews, some 
>Irish Catholics, ect.. ect... In no way are all fraternities just white guys
>with more hormones than brains.  And to say that they are is grossly unfair 
>to all members of all fraternities everywhere.  Most evryone agrees that
>basic stereotyping is unfair so why is it ok for you to stereotype us.

About the only stereotype I've possibly made with respect to fraternities
is how fraternity members constantly mischaracterize the anti-fraternity
argument, and you provide a prime example.

Not once has anyone claimed that all fraternity members are alike.
Not once has anyone claimed that fraternities are all white or all black.
Nor has anyone made the argument that one person at one house may have
done something wrong means that a thousand people should be punished.
(Though it's interesting to note that you won't even concede that at least
one out of those thousand *has* done something wrong.  Check with 
whatever Penn State has as a rape crisis center for more information.)

Maybe you can address the specific points being made instead of attacking
a straw man.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "He wanted to be the car rather than the thimble or the
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  hat."  -- District attorney explaining Marc Cienkowski's
U o' C Law Skool   +  murder with bow and arrow of Michael Klucznik in
Chi, IL 60637      +  Doylestown Borough, PA over a game of Monopoly.
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: dascoser.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Clubs
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:40:11 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

I'm looking for a listing of any science-fiction, fantasy, comic book, or 
role-playing clubs located on college campuses, and, if possible, thier 
mailing adress. E-mail only please. 


David Serchay
Historian
FAUST
(Florida Atlantic University Science-Fiction Troupe)
From: wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Wasylik)
Subject: Re: still more practical jokes
Organization: Ministry of Propaganda
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:58:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.000350.28161@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>Legally, fraternities and sororities are exempt from the Civil Rights Act,
>as are religious institutions wanting to hire on the basis of religion.
>Social clubs that aren't explicitly fraternities (such as at Princeton)
>have lost their court cases and went co-ed.

Is this written specifically into the Civil Rights Act, or does the exemption
come from somewhere else?

>  [stuff deleted about non-enforcement of hazing laws]

If I am not mistaken (and I know you'll tell me if I am... you don't speak to
me otherwise) hazing laws are usually brought into play only when the incident
in question involves some serious injury or fatality.  

I will go on the record here as saying that hazing has no place in any
fraternity.  One fellow who recently de-pledged my chapter specifically
complained about the *lack* of hazing... good riddance, I say.  m

Mw
-- 
..............................................................................
Mike Wasylik.......................................wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
......................First do it, then say it................................
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: madden@dingding.mcs.anl.gov (Mr. William P. Madden)
Subject: fraternities and drug use
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:38:54 GMT

Getting off the current thread, I would like candid replies on drug use at
social fraternities, especially during initiation and the like. I was in a 
social fraternity in the mid to late 80's, and at that time it was quite
widespread.

I dont regret my membership and time spent there, I live by experience, and
there are positive and negitive aspects to any experience. Three Rhodes 
Scholars in 5 years is not that shoddy either. :)

Bill
Xref: sparky soc.college:1991 misc.legal:9358
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: soc.college,misc.legal
Subject: Civil Rights Act Exemption for Fraternities
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:12:37 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

>In article <1992Apr13.065842.29857@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Wasylik) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr12.000350.28161@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>Legally, fraternities and sororities are exempt from the Civil Rights Act,
>>>as are religious institutions wanting to hire on the basis of religion.
>>>Social clubs that aren't explicitly fraternities (such as at Princeton)
>>>have lost their court cases and went co-ed.
>>
>>Is this written specifically into the Civil Rights Act, or does the exemption
>>come from somewhere else?

It's written specifically into Title IX, 20 USCA 1681(a)(6)(A).  Someone
much more ambitious than I can try to find the legislative history behind
the exemption, which applies to "social" fraternities and sororities at
"higher educational institutions."  This only means that the courts can't
force the fraternities to go co-ed -- the school could still choose to
hold the fraternity to a higher standard.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "He wanted to be the car rather than the thimble or the
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  hat."  -- District attorney explaining Marc Cienkowski's
U o' C Law Skool   +  murder with bow and arrow of Michael Klucznik in
Chi, IL 60637      +  Doylestown Borough, PA over a game of Monopoly.