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From: sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (   Kate   )
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Re: Lyrics....
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:53:18 GMT
Organization: Seattle University

In article <1992Nov11.172739.5208@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> kenm@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (...Jose) writes:
>	In "They'l Need a Crane", towards the end:
>

	Lad looks at other gals; gal thinks Jim Beam
	Is handsomer than lad (Beam isn't bad)
	Call off the wedding band, nobody want to hear that one again
	Play that again
	They'll need a crane...

> 	And in "Shoehorn with Teeth":
>

	He asked a girl if they could boost it in a chair (w-t-h?)
	But he doesn't get nervous, she's not really there

	(Makes no sense, but some of it just doesn't and ain't that grand?)

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.     . *~*}    Sheryl Stover           | "The Republicans were right! We're
   .    *~*}    sstover@seattleu.edu    | all gettin' sucked down a cesspool
 . *  . *~*}    (& Hemingway & Clio)    | of depravity and bad manners! Time
 *    . *~*}    Medici in the studio in | for action!! We'll stop it cold!!!
.  .    *~*}    December                | Get goin! Okay! sit down, shut up,
    *   *~*}                            | and do the family values thing!!"
 .    . *~*}                            |		-Opus
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From: jayh@ms.uky.edu (Jay Hofacker)
Subject: Re: What was the requested song at other concerts?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:07:07 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

nuspljj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joseph J. Nuspl Jr.) writes:

>(New thread)


>When I saw TMBG in Chicago in late June 92 at the Riv, the song requested
>by the audience was 'YMCA' but they played 'Yellow Submarine.'  I was
>wondering, what the 'requested' song was at some of the other shows?

In Cinicinatti it was "Electric Avenue."

They also played a very strange version of "Instanbul."  About half way
through, they stopped using instruments, turned the reverb WAY up and
sang REAL SLOW.  Beforehand they warned that this was the 'artistic'
part of the show that we had to put up with before they got to the good
stuff.
-- 
Jay Hofacker           | "I don't know what you mean by that."  "You don't know
Email: jayh@ms.uky.edu | what anybody means by anything."  "What do you mean?"
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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Subject: Re: Lyrics....
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:56:39 GMT

kenm@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (...Jose) writes:
>	Cool..... a TMBG newsgroup.

Double cool.


> 	And in "Shoehorn with Teeth":

>	He wants a shoehorn, the kind with teeth.
> 	People should get beatup fer statin' their beliefs.
>	He wants a shoehorn, the kind with teeth,
>	'Cause he knows there's no such thing.

>	He asked a girl if the could blah blah blah blah blah
                           they could both sit in a chair

>	But he doesn't get nervous, she's not really there.

>	(I think I've figured the meaning of this song out.... it seems
>to refer to "shoehorning" people into catagories and "laws with teeth"
>and such.... rednecks and bigots and reactionaries, oh my!... but John
>and John may have just been high at the time or something and maybe
>it doesn't mean anything.)

I've given up trying to figure out most of their songs.  It takes too
long.  My girlfriend does and then tells me.  Why think when someone
else can do it for you? :-)


>			....Jose

>-- 
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> - Kenneth C. Moyle    |Department of Biochemistry     MOYLEK@MCMASTER.BITNET 
>                       |McMaster University       ...!uunet!mnetor!maccs!kenm 
-- 
Dan Cogswell               Or as we say in Michigan:  "Dee-troit"


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From: scottl@nick.csh.rit.edu (Jerry!)
Subject: Fingertips
Originator: scottl@nick.csh.rit.edu
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:26:38 GMT

...
Please pass the milk, please,
Please pass the milk, please,
Please pass the milk, please,
...
I'm having a heart attack.
I'm having a heart attack.
I'm having a heart attack.
....




-- 
  ='''    scottl@nick.csh.rit.edu    __.     Tote welpen machen kein spass.
  c oo    sdl7253@ultb.isc.rit.edu  ///.                   -Ogden Edsl
  |  \    A.K.A. Jerry           __/// .Rkphfr zr Zef, pna V hfr lbhe gryrcubar?
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Subject: Re: Apollo 18 tour set list?
From: goodridg@husc8.harvard.edu (Andrew Goodridge)
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:35:27 EST
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1du2ccINN86f@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jtruss@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Free the Expo 67!) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.112455.28302@news.vanderbilt.edu> DICKENJD@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Orpheus) writes:
>>So, does anyone out there in netland have setlists from when TMBG 
>>played in their town for the Apollo 18 tour? I'd appreciate posts ora
>>e-mail telling me what they played when _YOU_ saw them.
>
>
>There was no "requested song"...I was kinda disappionted. :/
>

Well, you FIGURE they wouldn't be able to have a "Stump The Band" Sequence..
Especially considering what a mess that concert was, people wise.

I showed up at the Esplanade at 10am, and got center "row" front. I brought
two chairs; what a fiasco THAT was.

Did you see me there? I was wearing a cow suit.

I personally enjoyed being able to say hi to the drummer, who was walking
through the crowd COMPLETELY unrecognized about an hour before the show.

During the concert, the inevitable Boston "I'll mosh to ANYTHING" madness
went crazy; I had brought my art supplies and whipped up a sign that said
"Just say NO to "Pass the Dude"", which is what J&J call the act of lifting
up guys and passing them around.

Oh, and to help with the "Stump the Band"....

On their first date as a band, in Northhampton, Ma, they played "Feelings".
At Avalon, in Boston, in October, they player two shows; the afternoon
show they played "I will Survive", from Satruday Night Fever. Flansburgh 
sang that one and peppered it with Flansisms like "And you said all that
other stuff about the other stuff". The Evening show, they played "We Got
the Beat" by the Go-Gos, which Linell sang, thank god.

 - Sketch the Cow.

Oh, and on my MUSH, TinyTIM, at Control.Spies.com 5440, you can play in
They Might Be Giants Land. Type "32" from our Nexus.

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From: kenm@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (...Jose)
Subject: Re: Lyrics....
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:46:51 GMT

In article <1drt7gINNro2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dlp5@po.CWRU.Edu (Destructo) writes:
>Hmmmmm. . .All my TMBG tapes (I have no CD player) have the lyrics
>printed in them, even my _Canadian_ copy of Lincoln.  Do you have
>illegal copies of They's music?  How could you?!  :^)  But why didn't
>whoever you copied them from let you read the lyrics?

	I still have a borrwed copy of Lincoln (sans case).... I wouldn't
want to steal money from the Johns' mouths (ie. it's not pirated).  If I
like a band, aside from just liking their music, I feel too guilty to 
rip them off.

>
>I think a lot of their songs have cool and funky hidden meanings like
>that, and is one of the reasons They are my favorite group.  I just 
>can't find the hidden meaning in Minimum Wage.

	No hidden meaning..... the whip crack says it all: slavery,
degradation, humility, miserable conditions.

-- 
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 - Kenneth C. Moyle    |Department of Biochemistry     MOYLEK@MCMASTER.BITNET 
                       |McMaster University       ...!uunet!mnetor!maccs!kenm 
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Lyrics....
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:26:49 GMT

In article <1dui2uINNoi5@agate.berkeley.edu> nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver (The Weeniehead)) writes:

>	We should try to get TMBGs onto the net.  Anyone in NY willing to
>loan em a net feed?

There are enough public access Usenet systems, even in New York; if
they want it, they can come 'n' get it.  Even Brooklyn has Nixpub now.

Besides, do you want to invite them to come and waste time here?  I'd
much rather they spend their time continuing to write music.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
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From: saxe_dh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dean H Saxe)
Subject: Re: What was the requested song at other concerts?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:29:14 GMT

In article <BxLw8G.3oM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> nuspljj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joseph J. Nuspl Jr.) writes:
>(New thread)
>
>
>When I saw TMBG in Chicago in late June 92 at the Riv, the song requested
>by the audience was 'YMCA' but they played 'Yellow Submarine.'  I was
>wondering, what the 'requested' song was at some of the other shows?

	Well, when I saw J&J anout a month ago here at Johns Hopkins, we
were sitting in the 2nd row yelling "It's The End Of The World As We know it
(And I Feel Fine)" But the song that got played was a pretty good version of
the Doors "People Are Strange."  Only problem being John Flansburgh was
clueless about the words in some parts.  I enjoyed it though, though I would
have loved to see J&J mumble through "It's The end...."

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|  scraping, breaking, shaking." |   saxe_dh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu   |
|           -Scratch by          |   saxe_dh@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu    |
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From: dmoskowi@jarthur.claremont.edu (Denis "Tesser" Moskowitz)
Subject: Re: What was the requested song at other concerts?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:48:23 GMT

In Atlanta, they got a request for Blue Oyster Cult, so they did Godzilla.
It worked well... they did break into Constellation (yay!) in the middle,
but they came back to Godzilla afterwards.  They are apparently doing that a
lot?  They also did "Frankenstein", which was apparently just part of the
tour...
Anyway, it was quite cool!
-- 
Denis/Tesser M Moskowitz        Jen feroca malbona kuniklo; rigardu liajn
dmoskowi@jarthur.claremont.edu  sovagxajn vangharojn, kaj liajn ungojn kaj
This Is Realtime!               lian faldan voston.
From: sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (   Kate   )
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Re: Why the Fuss About TMBG?
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:21:40 GMT
Organization: Seattle University


I'd have to disagree with you if you think they're not very good
musicians... I myself have followed them (and shamelessly!) since the very
first album.  I remember the video from "Don't Let's Start" the first time
it played on MTV.  Back then, they knew a lot *about* music (degree?
check.) but not a lot about making it.  Listen to _Apollo 18_, or even
_Flood_... there are two guys who have not just mastered their own sound but
every sound.  (I'd submit that the dance mix of "Istanbul..." is an
incredible piece of craft!)

Why do you listen to them?  because you like them.  Why do you like them?
can't answer that one.

ciao,
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.     . *~*}    Sheryl Stover           | "The Republicans were right! We're
   .    *~*}    sstover@seattleu.edu    | all gettin' sucked down a cesspool
 . *  . *~*}    (& Hemingway & Clio)    | of depravity and bad manners! Time
 *    . *~*}    Medici in the studio in | for action!! We'll stop it cold!!!
.  .    *~*}    December                | Get goin! Okay! sit down, shut up,
    *   *~*}                            | and do the family values thing!!"
 .    . *~*}                            |		-Opus
From: mclemens@strawberry.ucs.indiana.edu (Mike Clemens)
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Re: Lyrics....
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:48:58 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <Qf0UBj200iUy8ABMAr@andrew.cmu.edu> Andrew Porter Glendinning <ag4d+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>    I think that just about sums "Minimum Wage" up, the allusion to a
>modern day slavery. Now how about "Dinner Bell"? Any ideas?

Does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell?

(Sorry, old joke...)
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From: nugget@nyx.cs.du.edu (Norman ugget)
Subject: Re: What was the requested song at other concerts?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:45:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.142914.8105@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> saxe_dh@jhunix.hcf.
hu.edu (Dean H Saxe) writes:
>In article <BxLw8G.3oM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> nuspljj@mentor.cc.purdue.ed
 (Joseph J. Nuspl Jr.) writes:
>>(New thread)
>>
>>
>>When I saw TMBG in Chicago in late June 92 at the Riv, the song request
d
>>by the audience was 'YMCA' but they played 'Yellow Submarine.'  I was
>>wondering, what the 'requested' song was at some of the other shows?
>
>	Well, when I saw J&J anout a month ago here at Johns Hopkins, we
>were sitting in the 2nd row yelling "It's The End Of The World As We kno
 it
>(And I Feel Fine)" But the song that got played was a pretty good versio
 of
>the Doors "People Are Strange."  Only problem being John Flansburgh was
>clueless about the words in some parts.  I enjoyed it though, though I w
uld
>have loved to see J&J mumble through "It's The end...."
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>| "Release the pressure that     |          Dean H. Saxe          |
>|  builds within, scratching     |   saxe_dh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu   |  
>|  scraping, breaking, shaking." |   saxe_dh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu   |
>|           -Scratch by          |   saxe_dh@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu    |
>|         	Contagion	 |   wi.6243@n7kbt.rain.com	  |
>|--------------------------------|---------------------------------
>|  All opinions expressed herein Copyright 1992, DHS Enterprises  | 	
>-------------------------------------------------------------------


When the Johns were in England they played (I think) the Town and Country
club (among other venues), well, wherever it was, they played 'Light my
Fire', and it was incredible.  John L played the keyboard part on the
accordian and it was *perfect*.  John F attacked the drums and sang.
  Truly t'was an experience.

  By the way, why do peoplee always need to have a meaning for their
songs, eg; I recon that Where Your Eyes Don't Go is simply a
marvelous exposition of paranoia, no hidden meanings, no subtlet
undertones, nuffin.  However Dinner Bell seem to me to be about
Pavlov's dogs;  about this Russian bloke who did lots of experiments
on doggies, like ringing a bell and then feeding them immediately.
  After a while the dogs would salivate when the bell was rung, even
if no food was forthcoming.  I think you can see how this ties in.
  Very nasty anyway.

  Much love,
    Nug.

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From: st891425@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Andrew Weiskopf)
Subject: Re: What was the requested song at other concerts?
Reply-To: st891425@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:34:03 GMT

Sam Pottle sez:
> Here in MAdison, when the audience requested "Freebird", they replied, 
> "We're no that bogus yet."

Back in August 1990, I saw them in Chicago. This is back in the days when 
they played sans live band, but with pre-recorded tracks instead. The tracks
were controlled with foot pedals, and were acting rather spuriously that
night. So when John L. pressed a pedal to start "Cowtown," and nothing
happened, our heroes had to stall until a working pedal was hooked up.

So, as John L. leaned over to disconnect the broken pedal, John F. nervously
stroked his guitar. Suddenly, he leaned into the microphone and..."

"If I leave here tomorrow... will you still remember me?"

The audience was rolling on the floor.

-Andy Weiskopf
 ST891425@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
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From: brainiac@athena.mit.edu (Jack I Fu)
Subject: Concert song requests...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:47:56 GMT


When John and John were in San Francisco earlier this year...(July)
at the Warfield, the crowd also was given the opportunity to request
songs. One of my friends who were in the very front after waiting
from 3 p.m. to 8 p.m. (so she could get in first) asked for YMCA.
And they did it! It was pretty cool. Everybody enjoyed it. John and
John even did the hand/arm gestures for YMCA. It was hilarious. The
whole concert hall was filled with people waving and gesturing their
arms all over the place. It was well done.

Jack

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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Apollo 18 tour set list?
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:31:24 GMT

They played "Boat of Car" at Amherst!  I was ecstatic.  Still am, as a
matter of fact.

In article <1du2ccINN86f@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jtruss@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Free the Expo 67!) writes:

>   The Famous Polka [Instrumental, but *everyone* sang the words :) ]

Goodness.  I think I was one of the two people who knew the words at
our show.  The audience was *immensely* disappointing -- no one seemed
even to know they'd produced anything before FLOOD, and those who did
were familiar only with LINCOLN.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
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From: us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi)
Subject: Re: What was the requested song at other concerts?
Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN  55144-1000 US
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 01:33:03 GMT

From article <BxLw8G.3oM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, by nuspljj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joseph J. Nuspl Jr.):
> (New thread)
> 
> 
> When I saw TMBG in Chicago in late June 92 at the Riv, the song requested
> by the audience was 'YMCA' but they played 'Yellow Submarine.'  I was
> wondering, what the 'requested' song was at some of the other shows?
> 
>
First Avenue, Mpls, the first time - "I'll do it My Way", missed the
2nd.

-- 
........................................................................
Steve Anastasi	        "Give a man a fish, and you can feed him for
smanastasi@mmm.com       a day.  Teach him to fish and you can tax him!"
St. Paul, Minnesota                 - hey, I wrote it!
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From: epeterso@encore.com (Eric Peterson)
Subject: Re: Lyrics....
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:26:32 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

..Jose (kenm@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca) wrote:

| [From "They'll Need a Crane" ...]
| 
| 	Lad looks at other gals, gal blah blah blah blah blah blah
| 	Blah blah blah, bl-blah blah blah.
| 	Call off the wedding band, nobody wants to hear that song again, 
|    	Blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah

"Lad looks at other gals
 Gal thinks Jim Dean is handsomer than lad
 He isn't bad

 Call of the wedding bells
 Nobody wants to hear that one again
 [???]"

| And in "Shoehorn with Teeth":

"He wants a shoehorn, the kind with teeth
 People should get beat up for statin' their beliefs
 He wants a shoehorn, the kind with teeth
 Cause he knows there's no such thing

 He asks the girl if they can both sit in a chair
 But he doesn't get nervous -- she's not really there

 He wants a shoehorn, the kind with teeth
 Cause he knows there's no such thing

 Tour the world in a heavy metal band
 But they ran out of gas -- the plane can never land

 He wants a shoehorn, the kind with teeth
 People should get beat up for statin' their beliefs
 He wants a shoehorn, the kind with teeth
 Cause he knows there's no such thing

 What's the sense in ever thinking 'bout the tomb
 When you're much too busy returning to the womb?

 He wants a shoehorn, the kind with teeth
 People should get beat up for statin' their beliefs
 He wants a shoehorn, the kind with teeth
 Cause he knows there's no such thing."

Eric
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From: thomasc@athena.mit.edu (Thomas Wallace Colthurst)
Subject: Re: Lyrics....
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:32:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.224651.23211@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> kenm@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (...Jose) writes:
>In article <1drt7gINNro2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dlp5@po.CWRU.Edu (Destructo) writes:
>>I think a lot of their songs have cool and funky hidden meanings like
>>that, and is one of the reasons They are my favorite group.  I just 
>>can't find the hidden meaning in Minimum Wage.
>
>	No hidden meaning..... the whip crack says it all: slavery,
>degradation, humility, miserable conditions.
>

Gee, and I always thought that "Minimum Wage" was just a shameless attempt
to win the coveted Most-Meaningful-Social-Commentary-Song-With-Two-Words-Or-
Less Award.

-Thomas C
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Subject: Re: TMBG movie and "that face"
From: nets17@gacvx1.gac.edu (Sten)
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:49:28 -0600
Followup-To: alt.music.tmbg
Distribution: alt
Organization: GAC

In article <1992Nov12.194120.5828@athena.mit.edu>, murph@athena.mit.edu
(Keith E Murphy) wrote:
> Oh yeah, getting to the point of this post - Andrew Grumet asked about the
> face in the early videos.

That face, if you mean the face that hung hehind them on their Lincoln
Tour, it's just a face that they found in a Encyclopedia and liked it. 
Seriously, a couple of my friends interviewed them for a high school
newspaper article at the time and that is what they said.  That was during
their Flood tour.

Whatever did I do before this Newsgroup!!  

Sten Severson
<nets17@gacvx1.gac.edu>
From: larisa@tcville.edsg.hac.com (Larisa Stephan)
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Re: What was the requested song at other concerts
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:42:48 GMT
Reply-To: larisa@tcville.edsg.hac.com
Organization: Hughes Aircraft EOS Electronics Lab

Here in L.A. at the Wiltern Theater show, it was "You've Lost That Loving Feeling."
They acquitted themselves admirably.  That band sure it is a cohesive unit.

-- Larisa
larisa@tcville.edsg.hac.com
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