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From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Some thoughts
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:12:14 GMT

In article <71392@hydra.gatech.EDU>, tmiller@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Miller) writes:
> 
>   It's really amazing how...
> 
> *  some people on this group (and others not on the internet) hate the
>      Braves just because they won the NLCS [...cut..] 

Not just bcoz of that, 
there are several other reasons to hate the Braves,

1 They took the NLWest from my Padres #)
2 The chop, and
3 The woo-woo, both of which were copied from FSU Seminoles. 
  There is nothing more fun to fans of other NLWest teams 
  than to do the chop in reverse with only the middle finger 
  pointed. 
4 Skip Carey; "we need an out.", "the ump is squeezing the [Braves]
  pitcher.", "see how great Braves' fans are.", etc. 
5 Deion Sanders
6 "America's team" slogan, excuse me while I puke.
  .
  .
  .

 

Having said all that, I am rooting for the Braves to beat the
BlueJays. Its that NL vs. AL thing, and we all know the 
reason the Twins won the Ws last year, they had the home field
advantage.



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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Morris: more fuel for this debate
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:42:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.192200.24462@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.144116.1656@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>>
>>Well, Jim Abbott, with 2.77 ERA (~1.3 Lower than Jack's) went 7 - 15! So, if
>>we assume that the PyT is a reasonable predictor, he doesn't look much worse
>>for the Angels than Abbott!
>
>4 additional losses is a lot.

Ya know, I really don't believe there's THAT much difference to the team.

>In addition, I was assuming he would get the same number of decisions that he
>got in Toronto.  The Angels bullpen blew a few for the Abbmeister.

Why not run your PT with the number of runs given up in each game (0, 1, 8, etc)
instead of his overall ERA.

BTW, how did Abbott's record come out when you ran HIS ERA/Run Support through?

Mike
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Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The 1992 Ex-Cub All-Stars
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:04:27 GMT
Reply-To: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.baseball, anderson@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (anderson peter john) writes:
->It's that time of year again, when all of us sufferers sigh and say,

->What the Cubs currently have to show for the above transactions:
->Turk Wendell, Luis Salazar, Sammy Sosa, Ken Patterson, Bob Scanlan,
->Chuck McElroy

->4. The Joe Carter trade STILL PISSES ME OFF after all these years.

How about an exhibition game against the 1992 Ex-Oriole All-Stars?
Gate proceeds go to the winner to help in the upcoming Barry Bonds
auction.

Steve Hambric (hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Subject: Js/Braves
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:58:59 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


A question for Valentine.....

What is ur prediction for the World-Series...

Could u please post what do u think of this WS.

Thanx
S.H
Forever Twins

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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: YOU make the call!
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:02:46 GMT

In article <Ahn-131092183055@branford-college-node.net.yale.edu> Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn) writes:
>Ah. I knew it was just a bad dream! 
>
>Thanks. The Braves win tonight! Yes!

Sorry.  You are dreaming again. :-) Bonds led off the second inning
with a no-question HR, sparking an eight run rally.  And that was
*before* the Braves got the first out in the inning!  Final score was
13-something small.  Justice had two HRs in the game, but that's
hardly exciting when down by a dozen runs...

Now back to Drabek again.  I bet he'd feel *really* bad if he were to
lose three games in a seven game series!  He'd better pitch well
tomorrow, or he'll hear the boo-birds more than Bonds ever did!

Interesting note:
If the Pirates *do* make it to the WS, there is no way Drabek will be
starting in game one.  I assume the starter would be (drumroll...) Tim
Wakefield!  Maybe the kid will finally get his due?

-Valentine

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From: valentin@midnight-blue.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Final NL MLV's
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:01:45 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <7012@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
>  Player		MR/game	Total MR
> 		
>  BONDS,B 	.502	77.4
...
>  LIND,J 	-.223	-26.2


Amazing. Do I understand correctly that if you replaced Bonds with an
average LF, the Bucs would have scored about 77 fewer runs over the season?
If we had replaced Lind, we would have scored 26 more runs? 
Can you subtract these values and say that Bonds was worth 100 or so more runs 
than Lind? 

Amazing. 

Shawn
From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bonds "choke"?
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:45:01 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Oct6.184644.22727@sni.ca> dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till) writes:

[terrific essay deleted]

>To put it bluntly:  every time we use the word "choke", we risk killing
>another Donnie Moore.  And one is enough.

I really liked your post.  Very well written.  It made me think a lot.

But, after I while I thought about the other side.
According to this theory, there should be a lot of guys killing themselves:
Calvin Schiraldi, Bill Buckner, Scott Norwood, any Florida State kicker,
Dave Johnson, Serge (sp?) Bubka.

Should we stop chanting "Darrrr-yl" when Strawberry bats?
Should we never again boo Jose Canseco?
Maybe we should stop booing bad calls by umpires and referees -
they might go home and blow their brains out.

I feel bad about Donnie Moore, but the only person to blame is Donnie Moore.

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From: tmiller@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: freon Deion
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:27:19 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <BvtMEr.AJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jds23971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Neff) writes:
> atchison@glinda.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:
> 
> >Yep.  The simple fact is that even though both the Falcs and Bravos would 
> >rather have him all, they are still each better with him part-time than without
> >him at all.  He has a real value in both situations, so as long as he can
> >handle it, why not?
> 
> I would agree, except that when the Braves agreed to put him on their
> post-season roster, Deion agreed to play baseball "full time" for the
> duration of the post season.  To me this would mean skipping Sunday's
> football game.
> 
> Jeff Smith



  There you go.  I know that he is good at both sports.  I just think
that he's playing with everyone's minds and getting a big kick out
of it.  This is the @$&%#*! postseason, for crying out loud - the
Braves need him full-time (if they need him at all).  If he strains
or hurts himself in football, he's useless in baseball...and he did
seem to make a committment to the latter.

  I bet this is really amusing, having Braves fans flame other Braves
fans.  We're all _really_ having fun now, aren't we? 

 
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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: john birch society
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:52:14 GMT

In article 212537RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu, <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> () writes:
>|who is the pitcher who made a comeback from surgery a year or two (or
>|three) ago who is a member of the john birch society?  was that doug
>|drabek?
>|
>|

I think it was Eric Show of the Padres and elsewhere.

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From: chandoni@husc8.harvard.edu (John-Marc Chandonia, , , )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Sanders vs McCarver
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:59:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct16.175902.16459
Reply-To: chandoni@husc8.harvard.edu
Originator: chandoni@husc8.harvard.edu

jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin) writes:
> For those of you who don't know, he dumped several {4 I think} coolers of
> ice water on McCarver instead of champagne because he wasn't happy about
> some criticizing remarks McCarver made about Sanders playing football for
> the Falcons Sunday when he had told the Braves he wouldn't.  McCarver was
> visibly upset; the situation wasn't too far away from punches.
> 
> I never liked him.  I'm starting to despise him.  Talk about an attitude
> problem.

I never liked him either... he just isn't a very good announcer.  The
football affair was between Deion and the Braves, so Tim shouldn't have
spouted off without at least talking to Deion about his motivation.
Also, throughout the last 3 games of the series, Tim seemed
extremely pro-Pirate (I couldn't stand another comment about
"Bill" ha-ha Tim Wakefield), although that might just be my
opinion after years of listening to the biased yet extremely
entertaining Braves' announcers.

[yeah, I know you were refering to Deion above]

Go Braves!

JMC "He's a bubble boy.  He lives IN a bubble.  Boy!"
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From: colinm@max.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen)
Subject: Re: eck chokes again!
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:05:38 GMT

In <1992Oct12.213746.22360@sj.ate.slb.com> leseberg@sj.ate.slb.com (Ralph Leseberg) writes:

>In article <1992Oct12.141135.4175@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby) writes:
>>
>>Sure was nice seeing Eck put on the ol choke collar again!
>>pumpin the fist and growling at the Js bench after top
>>of the 8th, and then give up the LONG ball to tie the game...
>>serves him right.
>>
>>too bad the mvp and Cy votes have been cast, this As jerk
>>doesn't quite deserve all the credit he's been getting.
>>Go Js!


>I wonder why it is ok for a batter to hop down the first base line with 
>his arms waving in triumph after hitting a home run but when a pitcher 
>reacts to a strikeout he is called a jerk?

  Eck reacted with all the emotion that was building as he held the Jays
at bay in the furious 8th inning.  What was objected to was the fact that
he pointed to the Jays dugout and said something as he left the field.

  Alomar on the other hand reacted to hitting a 2 run blast to tie the
game.  Hitting a tieing HR in the ninth off of Eck has to be something
to get excited about.  

>In reaction to the ALCS series, these have to be some of the most exciting
>baseball games that I have seen. 

Aggreed.
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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Which team most improved?
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:35:43 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <2OCT199209215691@wild.ucis.vill.edu> mcclure@wild.ucis.vill.edu (MCCLURE HAROLD) writes:
>One criteria for most improved might be performance down the stretch as an 
>indicator of how well a team might do NEXT season. Based upon seat-of-the-pants
>commentary that I have unscientically sampled by watching a few recent games
>on TV, some of the commentators think that Montreal would be a shoe-in if the
>season were to restart today. The Brewers and the Reds might also fall into
>this category. The really scary thing is that one of the hottest teams in 
>baseball over the last couple of weeks has been the Phillies.

>Phillies for most improved team???? NOT!!! I would pick Montreal, but again this
>is very unscientific.

Well, I don't know if the Phillies were particularly improved...
but they did have a decimated pitching staff.  Apparently the
1992 Phillies are the first team ever to lead the league in
runs and finish last (and lead the league in runs allowed...)

Kruk & Hollins & Daulton had monster seasons.  Dykstra can hit.
I think they will all fall back a bit, but could repeat the offense.
Morandini is adequate at 2B.  They are hurting as SS and
the OF is unsettled.  I don't think Javier is the answer,
no matter what the question...
Murphy is toast, Chamberlain stinks... Amaro is, eh.  Duncan
is a nice utility player.

But, what pitching!  Ecch.  If Mulholland, Greene, and Schilling
can do what they are capable of, this could be a great team.
If one of DeJesus, DeLeon or Howell (or, ha ha, Ashby or Abbott)
can get it together, the rotation will be much improved.

They need another OF and a SS, but otherwise should be ok.



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From: timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin)
Subject: Coors' Field dimensions
Keywords: Denver Colorado Rockies
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:43:58 GMT

I haven't seen this posted yet so here goes (hope I remembered this
right):

             Mile High             Coors' 
LF              350                  347
LCF             ???                  390
CF              ???                  415
RCF             400                  375
RF              370                  350

I heard the dimensions of the new park on the news and gave what I
remember of Mile High from AAA games ( I assume the layout won't
change).  Also, the wall is to be 8 feet high all around.

Mike Timlin
timlin@spot.colorado.edu
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Twins' record against individual teams in AL
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:47:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.21056
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


      TWINS RECORD AGAINST INDIVIDUAL TEAMS

AL-EAST

TEAM      GAMES    WON      LOST
-----------------------------------
Toronto    12       6        6 

Baltimore  12       6        6 

New York   12       7        5 

Claveland  12       6        6 

Milwaukee  12       6        6 

Detroit    12       9        3 

Boston     12       9        3 
------------------------------------
Total      84      48       36 
----------------------------------------

AL-WEST

TEAM      GAMES    WON      LOST
------------------------------------
Chicago    13       5        8 

Oakland    13       5        8 

Seattle    13       8        5 

Texas      13       6        7 

Kansas     13       7        6 

California 13      11        2 
-------------------------------------
Total      78      42       36 
-----------------------------------

Grand     162      90       72 
Total
------------------------------------

S.H
Win or lose; Twins forever.....
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From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Subject: Jay's WS Starting Rotation
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:58:30 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

It said in the paper this a.m. that the Jays were going with a
4-man rotation in the series (thank God!).  Presumably that would
be Morris-Cone-Guzman-Key.

Congratulations to the Brave's fans, and my condolences to the Pirate
and As fans.  There will be a lot of 2nd guessing in Oakland, but they
went a long way for a team with no pitching.  ANd what a way to lose in
Atlanta!
P.S.  Gary no-woof Huckabay's right about Lansford's range at 3b!  The
guy's a stump!
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From: erics@sco.COM (eric smith)
Subject: Re: john birch society
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:50:49 GMT


wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung) writes:

>In article 212537RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu, <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> () writes:

>>|who is the pitcher who made a comeback from surgery a year or two (or
>>|three) ago who is a member of the john birch society?  was that doug
>>|drabek?

>I think it was Eric Show of the Padres and elsewhere.

The original article is probably referring to Dave Dravecky, who says he's
a born-again Christian but is not, as far as I know, a member of the
John Birch Society.

I assume everyone knows what piece of baseball history Eric Show will
always be known for?

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From: mfv23060@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Maurice F. Vallejo)
Subject: Braves' Destruction
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:14:42 GMT

To all those die hard Braves' fans not able to get in front of a TV, DON'T!
It is the second inning with Pirates at bat with no outs and they are up
5 to nothing with a runner on second.  Glavine is getting so boos too.


Again pirates 5 , atlanta 0 , 2nd inning.

From (a Dodger Fan) Dan.

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From: ISTRE-A@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU
Subject: Braves in Fulton for '93?
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:42:21 GMT

While watching last night's game, I began to wonder now that the Georgia
Dome is finished, will the Braves play their games there in '93? What is
the status as far is Fulton County Stadium is concerned?
 
Several years ago, when the Braves were wallowing in last place and were
drawing 10,000 or less for a game, many were critical of the stadium.
saying it was a bad place to watch baseball. This year, the Braves drew
over 3 million in the same ballpark and no one is critizing the stadium.
It is amazing what happens when the team wins two straight NL West titles.
While I have never been to FCS, on TV, it looks like a pretty decent ball
park to me.
From: valentin@midnight-blue.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Its only a game. Kill Skippy.
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:46:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Oh god. Its only a game. Kill Skippy. Its only a game. 
What the fuck was Leyland thinking? Its only a game. 
Kill Skippy. Credit where credit is due. Kill Skippy. 
Bouncer to Lind...what the fuck?!? Belinda? STAN
Belinda? Its only a game. Last chance for some time. 
Its only a game. Kill Skippy. Why the hell did he send
Merced? Its only a game. Its our LAST game. Kill Skippy.  
The ump was blind in the ninth. Its only a game. 
Bream. How ironic! Its only a game. Nitro...quick I need
nitro. Kill Skippy. 

I have never been so disappointed over something that really 
*doesn't matter at all*. That right, its only a game. 

In any case, there is no drama to be had anywhere in sports 
that comes anywhere close to the drama in tonights game. 
I love this game, and I'll keep coming back for more. 

I just wish we would have won. 

Shawn
From: jblixt@neon.cdc.com (Jon Blixt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bonds "choke"?
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:22:37 GMT
Reply-To: jblixt@mips.COM (Jon Blixt)
Organization: People fed up with politicians, not politics

David,

I'm not comparing my bear:) situation with baseball in it's entirety.
In fact, here I am just trying to give a situation where a choke
occurs since some people don't think(and they could:) be right) that
choking exists.

Hope that clears things up, unless you're one of the people who
believes choking doesn't exist and that you've never experienced it.

-Jon
From: TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Pinella out??? (was Re: Winning a short series)
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:58:33 GMT
 <ld66e8INNc0h@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> <1992Oct7.183811.8813@meaddata.com>
 <BvtKCt.Kvr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1992Oct9.131251.11196@meaddata.com>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

I think it was right for Pinella to give Schott his split finger!!!
From: erickson@lclark.edu (Scott Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Was Bream Out?
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:53:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Oct16.075339.1746
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1bju8mINN18d@rave.larc.nasa.gov> bandwen@eagle.larc (bando) writes:
>From where I was watching the game (not real close to the TV),
>Sid Bream looked out or very very close to being out at home.
>Is it just me or what?
>   --bando

When I saw it on TV, I knew it was close but it looked like he just beat the
tag.  The best evidence of it is an Associated Press fanTAStic picture of
the play, taken by Ed Reinke (appeared in today's edition of The Oregonian--
the "news"paper may be good for something after all).  It shows quite clearly
Bream's left foot about halfway across the plate before LaValliere can even
touch Bream's right foot, which is curled under the left in the slide.

--SE