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From: huumala@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Medical Programs (was RE: Swedish Prime Minister says Sweden)
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:55:36 GMT
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.

> Well, you're right... almost. Deduct at least one year from U.S. college
> to make up for their inferior high school.
Are you sure it is easier over there?  Have you gone to public high school
in the states?  In every state?  Did you know that every state has their own
standards and requirements for graduation?

> Then remember that you 
> get a <professional> doctorate over there when you've completed 
> med-school. So you add four postgraduate years to become medicine doktor 
> in Sweden.
Can you began practicing after 5.5 years?  You can not began practicing in
the states until a minimum of 9 years plus the two years of internship.

> Another point is that the
> four  undergraduate years in college are probably much easier
The key word here is "probably".  The same rule applies here as it does to
high schools.  Some are rather dumpy, but on the other hand there are, beyond
any questionable doubt, very fine undergraduate universities in the U.S.  To
arbitrarly lable undergraduate programs in Sweden more difficult than in
the U.S. is rather assumptious.

> (and 
> cheaper, if you have to pay for them directly, and not indirectly 
> through taxes) than the four years in med-school. In Sweden you have 5,5 of
> those tough years.
The difference is that you have to come up with the money later in the form
of taxes when you are earning a decent living.  In the U.S. students are
required to come up with it up front when their income is close to nil.  That
makes working while in school a necessity to a great number of university
students in the states.  I will stick to my guns and say that in the U.S.
the med-students have 9 tough years.
From: steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: question for Macintosh users in Sweden
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:30:00 GMT
	<1992Apr12.113316.20942@sics.se>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim, Norway

>>>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 1992 11:33:16 GMT, lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson) said:

> In article <Apr.11.21.42.28.1992.21231@central.rutgers.edu>, friedan@central (Daniel Friedan) writes:

>>    1.  Will the computer and printer tolerate the frequency (Hz) of
>>        European power?

> The 220-240 V Mac Classic and Mac II ci I have beside me both accept
> 50-60 Hz. I can see no reason why a 110 V version or other recent Mac
> models shouldn't do the same. To be on the safe side, check! Look at
> the data plate on the back of the unit or at the technical specs of
> the Mac in question.

The older macs had "whole world" Power Supplies that would work with
any frequency from 40-70Hz and with any voltage from 100-250V

Since apple stopped using these supplies to save money ("most people
don't move their macs around anyway"), I guess the new macs use a
simple power supply.

Very early versions of the mac that were directly imported from the US
and run with a 220-110V converter had annoying screen flickering
problems as a result of running a screen made for 60Hz refresh rate
with a 50Hz refresh rate.

- Steinar
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Why the Swedes squeal so much
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:05:27 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology


  This data covers practitioners of intestinal medicine, surgeons, orthopeds,
urologists, gynecologists and eye-specialists.

			1980	1889	Change in percentage
=============================================================
1000's of visits	5753	5254	-4%
number of doctors	3023	3992	+32%


***************************The important stuff*********************************
  I suspect that a lot of the foreign participants miss this part of the
argument, they think that it is strange that we squeal so much over that
we pay so much when we get so much.
  The real reason why we squeal so much over that we pay so much is that 
*we see that we get less and less*, and soon we will probably get as little
as you get, but pay several times more!
**************************Reprinted separately*********************************

-bertil-
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From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik.Ostman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: I desperately need lower taxes.
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:12:53 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

eric@sejnet.sunet.se (Eric Thomas, SUNET) writes:

>"As I don't have any grandparents in Sweden, I don't see why I should have to
>pay for their pension through high taxes. With my tax money I am paying the
>retirement pension of Anders' grandparents (or parents, it doesn't matter). I
>have never seen them, and yet I have to pay for their medical care, apartment,
>and so on. I think this system is clearly unjust, and everyone should pay for
>their own parents, if they are interested in keeping them alive."

Right! This is how it's done in countries without ATP! Anyway, ATP doesn't
work, so *I* am looking forward to *paying* for my and other peoples' parents'
pensions, but I will also have to pay for my own, because there will be no
ATP system there to pay it when the time comes. On the other hand, the
social democrats *bought* my grandfather's vote by giving him an ATP pension
he never payed for.

>you are
>not responsible for having been born, or for the way your parents managed their
>economy while they were able to work and earn a salary.

Oh yes you are! Who else is responsible? Your parents, of course. But you
chose them, didn't you ;-)?
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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars P. Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norden vs. Scandinavia
Date: 31 Mar 92 15:47:30 GMT
	<1992Mar22.083901.28760@kth.se>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University

>>>>> "Tomas" == Tomas Eriksson (e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE)
>>>>> "Jepser" == Jesper Buhl (jbuhl@daimi.aau.dk)

Jesper>   Yes. At least until we join "The [EEC] Union" - then we'll
Jesper>be Germany (Not just a part of, I'm afraid).

Tomas> I hope this doesn't come as a shock for you, but Denmark *is* already a 
Tomas> member of the EC. (Although it can hardly be called a union as yet.)
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ah, Tomas, but that's exactly the point. The distinction between "The
Union" and "The EC" is very important to (some) people around here.

Tomas> So perhaps you should change your email address to
Tomas> jbuhl@daimi.aau.dk.ec.de?  :-)

I don't like the ".de" part, the rest is quite OK.

Tomas> Would you care to explain why Denmark has become so much smaller to us
Tomas> historically ignorant? :-)

Because the Swedes are militant aggressors.

/Lars
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Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
From: percus@husc9.harvard.edu (Allon Percus)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: EC membership of Sweden and Austria, and so W
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:06:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr9.010614.10872
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <FISCHER.92Apr8230934@thor.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
>>>>>> "Jim" == Jim Muchow (muchow@zebo.network.com)
>
>Jim> Seriously, I rather think that Danmark is in an untenable position. I
>...
>
>Sure, there will always be a major German cultural and economic
>influence in Denmark, EU or not, no doubt about it. How could it be
>...

I was just wondering, is there a reason why Jim, an American, writes
"Danmark" and Lars, a Dane, writes "Denmark"?

Jeg er forvirret.

Allon
From: fslsh@ocs01.lerc.nasa.gov (Lennart S Hultgren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Iranian embassy torched
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:08:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: eagle.1992Apr9.150844.10325
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center

In article <3syXiB1w164w@netlink.cts.com> jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
[references to previous articles deleted]
> 
>Doesn't it strike people as rather strange that these middle-eastern
>tribal battles are taking place in such northerly countries?  Since
 ^^^^^^
>when did the Mujahedin decide it liked snow so much?
>

I wish you did not refer to this as tribal battles.  These are
iranians fighting other iranians -- both groups having a common
cultural background.  It is *not* one ethnic group against another.
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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: You have to be rich to get the Authorities to listen.
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:50:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: thor.FISCHER.92Apr7205057
	<1992Apr7.113118.5941@ifi.uio.no>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> Yngve = Yngve Koehler Raustein (raustein@athena.mit.edu)

Yngve> Yes, the 900-numbers.  (Have they introduced anything similar to the
Yngve> toll free 800-numbers in Scandinavia?)

In Denmark, we have 80-numbers (toll free) and 90-numbers (caller pays
all). Very imaginative.

/Lars
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Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Vietnamese in Finland (was: Swedes in Finland)
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:04:59 GMT
Organization: MacDTS Mongols

In article <1992Apr3.131322.10955@jyu.fi>, ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>> Okei I answer what Aland tidningen wrote:
> 1.  6 viethnamese raped 2 local girls
> 2.  They are driving around "too big cars"
> And notice, these are from Aland tidningen, before somebody begins
> mailing for me post.
> These two things have turned the athmosphere in Narpes cool towards
> Viethnamese(refugees) writes aland tidningen.
> This discussion began from a comment where someone explained open-mindness
> of Narpes people concernig  their contribution in  refugee questions as an
exemple for the others.

Well, I do know people in Narpes, and I can't state that there's friction
between certain Vietnamese males and the society. Then again that's nothing
special, people steal cars and rape, even if they are Finns or Finnish-Swedes.
Anyone raping girls is never considered to be exactly friendly.

The reason Vietnamese move to Helsinki has nothing to do with this issue,
more with personal reasons. I visited Narpes 1.5 years ago, and I didn't see
anything hostile going on towards the Vietnamese. 

One can't still argue against the case that certain communities in the 
Swedish speaking parts allowed boat people to emigrate. This is even more
radical looking at the fact that Finland accepts less than 1000 fugitives
a year.

Cheers,
Kent

PS: As for driving around with 'too big cars', they certainly have to be
really huge, because Narpes has the second biggest penetration of American
cars in Finland (Esbo is no 1) :-). As for open-mindness, I don't think
people in Narpes is exactly open-minded concerning learning Finnish.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ljg@quartzite.cs.odu.edu (Ah Lo)
Subject: try
Originator: guo@quartzite.ocean.odu.edu
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:19:06 GMT

Just a try. Please ignore.
From: isac@rieska.oulu.fi (Juha Iisakka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Dagens Nyheter April 6th on Swedish-speaking Finns
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:25:39 GMT
	<1992Apr6.165628.25271@kth.se>
Organization: Oulun yliopisto
In-reply-to: matsd@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE's message of Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:56:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.165628.25271@kth.se> matsd@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (matsd@physchem.kth.se (mats dahlgren)) writes:
> In article <1992Apr6.133803.2689@nntp.hut.fi>, jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
> >In article <1992Apr6.094502.5672@lth.se>, sundinKC@dna (Anders Sundin) writes:
> >
> >>Edit S|dergran is celebrated by the Swedish speaking Finns, and by
> >>the rest of the world. But in Finnish Finland the uninterest is total.
> >
Not quite true. There has been articles about her in Finnish
newspapers.

> >Hmm, I don't think I've ever heard about Edit S|dergran.  Should I?
> >Is the rest of the world celebrating everyone who know writes and
> >speaks multiple languages and has gone to a different-language
> >university, or what's the point here?
> >
> 
> YES!  You should have heard of Edit S|dergran.  The point here is you -- 
> being a Finn -- should know enough of your cultural history to at the 
> very least have heard about one of the main poets of Finland this 
> century.  Does the fact she was capable of speaking other languages than 
> the majoriy language make her a "lower being"?

You are a paranoid. Most of people is not interested of poems.
I believe that most Finns knows only a few poet - Kivi and Leino
perhaps - because Finnish school system does not have a 
big interest to poetry.

I believe most Finns think S|dergran was a Swede.
You should realize Finnish-Finnish and Finnish-Swedish
have their own culture.

Edith S|dergran was a good poet who used Swedish language.
Her influence to SWEDISH litterature is big.
Should I be proud of her because she happened to be
a Finnish citizen?
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From: lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: You have to be rich to get the Authorities to listen.
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:10:35 GMT
Reply-To: lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson)
Organization: SICS, Kista (Stockholm), Sweden
Originator: lhe@yang.sics.se

In article <10816@chalmers.se>, d9bertil@dtek (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>  About half a year ago they started something called the 071-numbers which 
>are commercial services available from third parties on certain numbers with
>a 071 prefix. The type of services seems to be mostly games and heavy 
>breathing judging from the ads in the papers and calling the numbers will
>cost you several SKr per minute. The profit is split between Televerket and 
>the third party.
>
>  I'm pretty sure that there is something similar in the US.

They're called 900-numbers in the U.S.

>  These numbers have been a commercial success for Televerket, so they are
>planning to expand it. What they are trying to do is to get hospitals, and
>various other authorities and departments to turn their public lines into 
>071-numbers. The advantages are that they will make a hefty profit from
>everybody that wants to ask questions about something, and that the number
>of callers that want answers will decrease.
>
>  It seems as if the high and mighty civil servants has grown tired of 
>answering questions from the common rabble and wants to charge them for the
>privilige.

While I don't hold Swedish Telecom above trying to push 071-lines onto
public authorities and services, the main reason is that said
authorities and services are short of money. Some civil servant surely
see 071-lines as a way of getting that sorely needed money.

Of course, that is quite in line with official Swedish policy these
days, where the citizen is regarded as a customer of public services.
Well, if you're a customer, they you should pay, shouldn't you?
(Heavy sarcasm intended.)
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From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik.Ostman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Prime minister says Sweden gaining democratic freedom
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:26:37 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

Allon Percus writes:
>Lennart S Hultgren writes:
>>Fredrik.Ostman writes:
>>> [Something...]
>>You seem pretty fed-up with the situation in Sweden.  A simple
>>solution would just be to emigrate to a country where the tax
>>situation and philosophy is more to your liking.

I hear this from Swedes quite often. In my opinion, I have a democratic
right to my country and to my culture. Only cowards run away from
problems instead of solving them.

>Yes, if culture, language, family ties, and employment prohibitions are
>of no consequence I suppose this could be one solution.

Remember, the quasi-stalinist social democracy of the Olof Palme type only
existed in Sweden for 30 years. It has had real impact on Swedish society
for about 20 years. That is a very small part of the Swedish history.
It will soon be only a nasty memory. Keep up the good work, Calle!
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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Dagens Nyheter April 6th on Swedish-speaking Finns
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:45:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: thor.FISCHER.92Apr7224541
	<1992Apr6.165628.25271@kth.se>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University

>>>>> "Mats" == matsd@physchem.kth.se (mats dahlgren)

Mats> YES!  You should have heard of Edit S|dergran.  The point here is you -- 
Mats> being a Finn -- should know enough of your cultural history to at the 
Mats> very least have heard about one of the main poets of Finland this 
Mats> century.

Why?

I'm pretty sure you can find important contemporary Danish poets I
know nothing about, and so what? I know little about poetry and I'm
not interested in knowing about poetry. I find it boring and I'd much
rather go mudding. Why *should* I know about poetry?

Mats, your reasoning displays a typical fallacy: find something that
your opponent does not know (or whatever) and attribute it to whatever
you want to accuse your opponent of. This way, one can link completely
unrelated matters to "prove" a point.

Mats> Does the fact she was capable of speaking other languages than 
Mats> the majoriy language make her a "lower being"?

Foo! Did he say that? Didn't he just say that he didn't know her or
her work?

/Lars
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.nordic:2634 rec.travel:5153
From: rrao@pima.intel.com (Ravi Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,rec.travel
Subject: Re: travel among nordic countries
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:22:47 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject:DENMARK/Copenhagen -- info sought 
Summary: sightseeing,staying,weather etc 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ
Keywords: 

Hi folks,
	I will be flying through Denmark/C.Hagen during the 1st/2nd week of
May. I am keen on staying over for a day/two (with a Business ticket fare, i'm
betting they will allow a stopover) in Copenhagen. My questions are:

1. Can I do some sightseeing in a day/two days worth? Are there any organized
	tours of the city, tourist places etc??

2. How expensive is hotel accomodation, I'll be looking at essentially spending
	the nights in the hotel. Is the airport far,far away from the city
	centre where I'm guessing the hotels are......

3. How can one xpect the weather to be in May, any suggestions???

	Any other relevant info is highly welcome!!! And please folks - do
	reply with answers as soon as you can as I have to tell my boss 
	my vacation schedule.

	Thank you very much,
	Ravi

e-mail:	rrao@sedona.intel.com
BTW, I'll be flying in from the US.

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From: hmj@cs.tut.fi (J{rvinen Hannu-Matti)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Language *PEACE*, please
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:16:47 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology

In article <1992Apr8.085001.22625@lth.se> sundinKC@dna.lth.se (Anders Sundin) writes:
>Juha Iisakka writes:
>>Edith S|dergran was a good poet who used Swedish language.
>>Her influence to SWEDISH litterature is big.
>>Should I be proud of her because she happened to be
>>a Finnish citizen?

>I think this argument really underlines the point that was made
>in the article. The Swedish-speaking in Finland are supposed to
>"have their own culture" that the rest of Finland does not want
>to know about.

I think you got it quite wrong. Swedish-speaking Finns DO have their
own culture; at least they say so. Most of the Swedish-speaking Finns
live on the costline. I live in Tampere, and I've never visited a
completely Swedish area of Finland, which pratically is the same that
I've not been in Aland. I think it's quite natural that I don't know
everything about their culture. How much do you know about the culture
of Lapps? Or about Finns living in T}rne}dal? I found it quite natural
if you don't know much - but I would say it is *not* natural, if you
don't know about their existence. The conclusion that "the rest of
Finland does not want to know about" is based on your own belifs - may
be you should know more about Finland.

Then something more general, but anyway:

The problem with the Swedish language in Finland is that every Finn
has to learn it. I never meet Swedish-speaking people in my everyday
life, so learning of Swedish does not seem sensible. Anyway, the
Swedish I've learnt is not usable in Sweden (written language is OK,
but the spoken is not). Don't answer me that Swedes can understand
Swedish spoken by Swedish-speaking Finns. Of course they do. I can
understand Finnish dialects of different regions, but I doubt if that
is as easy for a foreigner that has learnt some Finnish.

This language war originates from the frustration of Finns learning a
language they (almost) never need. We have been told "good" reasons
why we should learn Swedish, and if we use the same reasoning for the
use of Finnish in Sweden, we get the language war. This proves that
the reasons are not so good, anyway. The problem is mostly Finnish; if
learning of Swedish is made voluntary (as suggested lately), the main
reason for these flames is viped away.

Would it be a good time for a language *PEACE* for a while, please?
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