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From: bimson@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (GREG)
Subject: Re: New Rules (A Sad Day for Hockey)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:53:00 GMT

In article <farenebt.714873695@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>, farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes...
>schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck) writes:
> 
>>Mark Spiegel writes:
> 
>>Hey you forgot the "special" new rule!
> 
>>                 1a. The players will now have to wear skirts just
>>                     like the ballplayers in "A League of Their Own".
>>                        
>>Gil Stein is determined to turn the NHL into a league for pussies.
> 
>I guess Stein has gotten heat on both sides of this issue. On one hand,
>the WWF is supporting the move so that the clutch-and-grab crowd will now
>be a wrestling monopoly. On the other hand, comedians are opposing the move
>sighting the lack of material that will these new rule changes 
>(and the January end of Dan Quayle's VP-ship) will cause.
> 
>It seems that this guy and some others would like hockey to go back to
>"fencing on ice".
> 
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>BRI FARENELL			    "Hockey must be a great game to survive 
>CLARKSON '95			           what the NHL has done to it."
>FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU	---Howard Baldwin, Penguins owner
> 
>rec.sport.hockey's AHL contact
>				 
>GO ADIRONDACK RED WINGS! 	1992 CALDER CUP CHAMPIONS		
>				Calder Cup Champs: 1981 1986 1989 1992
> 
>				
> 
Well, I'm glad someone out there agrees.  The No Helmet League should 
be able to cut down on stick interference.  Besides, in the long run, 
this should give more deserving cities a chance to get NHL teams.  
After all, Ottawa and Tampa Bay probably will not be profitable for 
the next 10 years or so, then bigger cities will receive teams, which 
adds more TV revenues, etc.

Besides, to me, nothing is more boring than to watch a game where the 
players are holding each others sticks or using them to hold someone 
back, it just takes away from the great offensive and defensive 
aspects of the game.

By the way, anyone know what the 'diving' penalty will be called?  I 
vote for 'going down'.

Greg Bimson
NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
bimson@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov

Yvon Corriveau races up the ice...
switches to another team...
swithces back...
AND SCORES!!!!
Xref: sparky rec.sport.hockey:15690 rec.sport.basketball.pro:16340
From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey,rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Which Team is More Popular:NBA or NHL?!
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:24:27 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

I would have to disagree with the original author.  In Detroit, hockey is
more popular than basketball.  The Pistons may sell every game, but almost
every seat is owned by a corporation, so the typical attendance is about
60-75%.  Hockey fills the arena, whether it's Quebec or Pittsburgh.  The
best evidence would be that when both teams were scheduled to play a play-
off game at the same time (the same station carries both teams), the Pistons
were bumped.


*******************************************************************************
*  Mike Burger                    *  I may have had the needle in my arm,     *
*  mmb@lamar.colostate.edu        *  but I never pushed the plunger.          *
*  University of Michigan - 1990  *  --Dave Barry                             *
*******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Jeremy Roenick
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:30:30 GMT

How many games has Jeremy Roenick played in his career?

BRI FARENELL
FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU
From: sross@cdc001.austin.ibm.com (Stacey Ross)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: east coast league question - louisville
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:01:02 GMT
Reply-To: sross@cdc001.austin.ibm.com (Stacey Ross)
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

I am a student at the university of louisville on a co-op in austin, tx.
I have enjoyed louisville Icehawks games for quite some time. I heard a 
rumor that the Icehawks franchise went under. Is that true?

I would appreciate a response on the newsgroup, I have no email access. thanks.

and my editor's acting weird, I don't usually type in all lower case...


              						Stace

<these are my opinions, not IBM's!>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Whalers in Hartford (Was: Baldwin in Hartford)
Summary: I *hate* it when that happens...
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 10:03:18 GMT

In article <oebVGpu00WBLM18HNN@andrew.cmu.edu> jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu (James J. Murawski) writes:
>
>On 28-Aug-92 in Re: Baldwin in Hartford (Wa..
>user Patrick L Humphrey@is.ri writes:
>>existence.  He was none too popular after the Whalers moved to Hartford
>>after their entry into the NHL in 1979, but folks forget that his Whalers
>>were the WHA's first champions in 1973...so I wouldn't say he was too sleazy
>>back then.
>
>The Whalers didn't move to Hartford at the time of their entry into the NHL.
>The Whalers played most of their WHA seasons in Hartford as the New England
>Whalers (I believe it was only the first or first two years of the WHA that
>they didn't play in hartford).  I went to several Whalers WHA games in
>Hartford in the 1970s.

Oops.  Thanks for giving my memory a much-needed nudge.  If I remember
right, the Whalers' first season in Hartford was the '76-'77 one, which also
would have been the season the Howes came there from Houston.  (For some
reason, I was thinking of only the name change to Hartford when they entered
the NHL in '79, and missed the three-year (well, 18 months) span in which
they played there as the New England Whalers.  That's what I get for trying
to post at 4 AM. :-)

>The Whalers had to play about a season and a half away from home in the late
>1970s.  In January of 1977 (or maybe 1978), the roof of the Civic Center
>collapsed under the weight of snow and ice at about 4AM when the place was
>empty.  This caused the Whalers to play their home games in either New Haven,
>CT or Springfield, MA until the Civic Center was repaired (and redesigned).

I thought they played their home schedule (until the new, improved Civic
Center was rebuilt) all at Springfield.  At least, I don't remember them
playing any at New Haven (or Providence) -- the Aeros were up there three or
four times during the exile, and they always played it at Springfield...

-- 
Patrick L. Humphrey  (patrick@is.rice.edu)  Rice Networking & Computing Systems
     +1 713 528-3626 at Rice. 776-1541 at home. 667-6554 at Palace Lanes. 

                  All wiyht, rho sritched mg keg tops awound?
From: hasnie@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Rizwan Hasnie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: HELLO!  ANYBODY HERE??????????
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:28:18 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network



  Just cheking if this net still works.

  Hockey fans! Where are you?

Rizwan.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
From: jsy@Aig.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Jennifer Yu)
Subject: No one here but me :(
Organization: NASA/Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:34:53 GMT

Hey now!  I'm here in So. California with a hockey stick in hand and
no one else (save two other women at Caltech) to play field hockey
with.  I lost my ball to some dog a while back - is there any place
around here where I can get another hockey ball?  Or do I have to go
home to the East Coast for one?

Jennifer
From: rpendse@velveeta.mfg.hou.compaq.com (Raju Pendse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Jr. Hockey World Cup/ Kuala Lumpur
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:26:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: twisto.1992Sep4.202649.11630
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation

I just read on misc.news.southasia that the Jr. Hockey world cup is to be held 
in Kuala Lumpur in September. Does anyone have any details about it, as to whichcountries are participating etc. Which are the favored countries. Apparently
Olympian Harpreet Singh is going tolead the Indian team. What is the age limit
for the Jr. World Cup ?

Any readers left on this group?

Raju Pendse\
STD DISCLAIMER
From: inde788@Elroy.UH.EDU (Ashish Parikh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: The all-star Hockey Team?
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:20:18 GMT
Reply-To: inde788@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston


Before olympics began there was a discussion about the Best eleven
from current players.  Can anyone suggest what is the all-star team
after olympics?

-Ashish
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Stanley Cup odds
Date: 25 Aug 92 11:39:00 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <VANDER.92Aug25151442@vancouver.stars.flab.Fujitsu.co.jp>, vander@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (Mike van der Velden) writes:
> In article <9208250044.AA25690@skul.USask.CA> 832989@SKUL.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin) writes:
> 
>> Odds against to win the Stanley Cup in 1993 from the Imperial Palace Hotel and
>> Casino in Las Vegas:
>> 
>> 	NYR	  3-1
>> 	Pit	  4-1
>> 	Mon	  7-1
>> 	Chi	  7-1
>> 	LA	  8-1
>> 	Det	  8-1
>> 	Was	  8-1
>> 	Van	  8-1
>> 	Bos	 10-1
>> 	Edm	 12-1
>> 	NJ	 12-1
>> 	Phi	 15-1
>> 	StL	 20-1
>> 	Cal	 22-1
>> 	Buf	 25-1
>> 	Win	 25-1
>> 	Min	 30-1
>> 	NYI	 40-1
>> 	Que	 50-1
>> 	Tor	 60-1
>> 	Har	 75-1
>> 	SJ	300-1
>> 	Ott	300-1
>> 	TB	300-1.
> 
> Hmmm... I'm (obviously) no statistician, but if I add 1/3, 1/4, 1/7,
> ... 1/300, I end up with 2.8961688.  Does that mean that there is 
> almost a 300% chance that someone will win the Stanley Cup in 1993?  :-)
> 

Nope - it means that Vegas odds are not a probability: the odds are
always shorter than the estimated probability so that the house will
come out ahead.

Incidentally, to convert odds of n-m to a probability, you calculate
m/(n+m), so the probabilities would be 1/4, 1/5, 1/8, ..., 1/301. 
I think it will still add up to more than 1, however.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lorne Epp                                               epp@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (EvaN PritcHarD)
Subject: North Stars & Habs make a deal
Summary: The Habs & the North Stars 
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:01:48 GMT
Keywords: Minnesota, Bellows, Montreal, Courtnall

	I think this is the first note on the net about this, so
you're reading it here first.  :-) 

	The Minnesota North Stars traded their career leading goal
scorer, Brian Bellows, to the MOntreal Canadiens for Russ Courtnall.
The Stars gain a year in this deal, as Bellows, who is going into the
option year of his contract, is 28, and Courtnall is 27.  Courtnall
was injured for most of last season, and finished with 21 points in 27
games (I think).  Bellows had 75 points in 80 games (I think).  

	A curious deal.  The Habs are loading up on scoring talent
with this deal and the previous one for Damphousse.  The Stars get a
quick darting forward in return.  My first reaction was that Montreal
got the better deal, but Bellows didn't have a great year last year,
although he was an All-Star the year before.  Courtnall is no slouch,
but I think that the Canadiens at least have the greater potential in
the deal.  (but isn't 'great potential' Mr. Bellows's middle name?) 
 
=================== 
Evan Pritchard ---- Waiting for the hockey season to begin  
Winner of the rec.sport.hockey trivia competition :-)  

epritcha@psych.uiuc.edu  [alternatively  EVAN33@uiucvmd.bitnet ]  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: mds8539@tamuts.tamu.edu (Michael David Slater         )
Subject: Re: Phil Bourque signs w Rangers
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:24:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.021742.6439@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>
>Getting back to hockey ... what's the compensation that the Rangers
>will have to pay?  (Adam Graves?)
>
They won't have to pay him anything.  As soon as he sets foot in
Pennsylvania he'll be arrested, charged, convicted, and sentenced
for malicious, intentional assault with a deadly weapon.  If he gets
what he deserved, he and his miserable mustache won't see light of
day for 20 years.
From: rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Angelo Pleshar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: HATS OFF AND STICKS DOWN
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:15:32 GMT
	<4930@balrog.ctron.com>
Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>Masterson, of the North Stars, I believe in the initial expansion
>67-68 season, hit his head on the ice, and died some time later.  People
>generally agreed that a helmet would have lessened the severity of the 
>injury, and the move to helmets was on.  The Masterson Trophy was created
>to honor his memory. This is from memory, so feel free to make factual
>corrections.

This is essentially correct. After this incident, there was a Minnesota
North Stars rule that all North Stars must wear helmets. Does anyone
know if this rule will still be in effect?

Maybe we should have a contest to see who can guess the players who go
hatless this year. Whoever gets the best hit/miss ratio would win. 

Ralph
From: chim@sfu.ca (Alan Chim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Canucks Updated
Date: 3 Sep 1992 15:41:26 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Vancouver Canucks News
----------------------

-	The Canucks and goaltender Kirk McLean are nearing agreement
on a new contract that will make McLean a millionaire and the highest
paid player in team history.  The official announcement should come
before training camp opens next Friday..

-	Three other Canucks yet to be signed/re-signed include Cliff
Ronning, Greg Adams and Jim Sandlak, have filed for salary
arbitration.

-	Canucks backup goaltender, Troy Gamble will play out the
option on his contract.

-	Libor Polasek has arrived in Vancouver and expects to be in
training camp.  Polasek was drafted in the first round at this year's
entry draft.  A big power centre, Polasek is expected to sign with the
club within a week.

	I'm going to be posting more Canuck news, particularly news on
how player's are doing at training camp and at pre-season.  Expect
some more news within 1-2 weeks.

Alan.
chim@sfu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: It's the refs...not the rules !  
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:00:41 GMT

>  Does anyone out there actually beleive that the new rules         
  will actually make a difference, especially when the       
   ones enforcing the rules are named Kohrski, Stewart,                
   
   VanHellemond, et all...             
 
>  Just look at last years play-offs as an example.  In the     
   Boston-Buffalo series high-sticks where flying all over the     
   place in both directions.  Dale Hawerchuk got a 10 stitcher         
   
   around the eye right in full view of the ref ... no call!        

I can't help but recall similar responses from people last 
year when thy "reinforced" the goalie's crease rule.  The 
referees made some courageous calls at the bgining of the 
season to show how serious they were about the rules change.  
I can remember some legitimate goals that were called of 
because of a layers skate being over the line.          
 
If they go after these new rule changes with the same fury, 
everything should work out for the better.
 
I should mention that the instigator getting a game 
mis-conduct was already* a rule in the NHL -- it just wasn't 
enforced.  

                                 /\
Stephen Legge                  \/  \/
<SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca>      \      /
                            _|\\    //|_   ST.JOHN'S
                            \          /     MAPLE
                            /_        _\     LEAFS
                              /__  __\
                                 |       CALDER CUP '93!!!      
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Correction...
Keywords: Markus Naslund
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:20:04 GMT

Marcus Naslund was the Pens' #1 pick last year.  Sorry about that.

Lori



Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Pens News 8/31/92
Keywords: Barrasso, Pietrangelo, EJ, Bourque, Mullen, Lemieux
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:54:56 GMT

The following info was found in the Sunday Greensburg Tribune Review, and 
on the late edition of KDKA-TV sports.

With training camp scheduled to begin Sept. 11th, the Pens have the the
following news:

*Tom Barrasso has signed a multi-year contract for about 1.3 million a year,
making him the 3rd highest paid goalie in the NHL.  The Pens plan to announce
this on Thursday at a press conference.

*The Pens also hope to announce (at the above press conference) that Eddie
Johnston will be the new head coach.  The Pens and Whalers first must resolve
the issue of Johnston's Hartford contract before the Pens can actually say
they have Johnston.  

EJ has 3 years left on his contract with Hartford, where he served as GM.
He is to receive $275,000, $300,000 and $300,000 over the remainder of the
contract.  The sticking point is how much of that will Pittsburgh be willing
to pay.

*The signing of Dave Tippett is to be officially announced Monday.  Tippett 
signed with the Pens almost 2 weeks ago, but no announcement had been made.

*Frank Pietrangelo may be back on his way to Pittsburgh.  It had been widely
rumored that Frankie had been "loaned" to the Hartford Whalers last season, 
and that the future considerations in the deal was in fact Frankie.  With 
the acquisition of Sean Burke from the Devils, Frankie has become expendable.

The Pens have expressed interest in getting Pietrangelo back because, after
Barrasso and Wregget, the Pens have no real goaltending.  Bruce Racine, once
considered to be a good prospect, hasn't impressed anyone with his play. 

The article in the paper said that Frankie would be 3rd string goalie, but
if EJ is coach I think he has a good chance to win the backup spot.  If I
remember correctly, EJ drafted Frankie and has always been high on him.   
I can't imagine Frankie being to thrilled at the prospect of coming back to
Pittsburgh, but the presence of EJ may make things a little easier for him.

*Negotiations with Lemieux on a lifetime contract are going well.  Howard 
Baldwin was quoted as saying "We feel good about the discussions and how 
they've gone".  He went on to say that both he and Lemieux's agent Tom Reich
will both be in Pittsburgh this week, and will fly back to LA together.

*Talks are ongoing with the agents of Joe Mullen and Phil Bourque.  

"As we've said all along, we'd like to keep all these guys," Baldwin said.  
"When it's all said and done, we'll have the highest payroll in the league.
We sure won't be charged with being cheap."

He went on to say "But we can't be paying role players million dollar 
salaries.  We're still interested in keeping those guys."

*Markus Naslund, the Pens' #1 draft pick this year, will spend one week at
the Pens training camp before returning home to Sweden to complete his
military obligation.

Lori 
Contact for the Penguins
lli+@cs.cmu.edu


Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey,rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: RANGERS NEWS: Dave Marcinyshyn signed 
Keywords: Other odds & ends....
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:43:20 GMT

What's going on with Utica? They lost another goon! What's become of
them?

BRI

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Mo' money, mo' money
Keywords: Barrasso's contract
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:56:55 GMT

Today the Pens will hold a press conference to inform the public on which
players have signed, and whether or not the Pens have a head coach yet.

One of the announcements will concerning the signing of Tom Barrasso.  At the
beginning of the week, the media reported that Barrasso had signed a multi-
year deal worth 1.3 a year.  That has been revised.

According to a report on KDKA-TV, WPXI-TV and a published report in USA Today,
Barrasso has signed a 3 year deal worth 5.2 million.

Does that figure make him the highest paid goalie in the league?

Lori
Contact for the Penguins
lli+@cs.cmu.edu



Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca ()
Subject: Cherry's comments on the new rules
Originator: kdc@asimov.cc.umanitoba.ca
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:04:23 GMT


From this morning's Winnipeg Sun:
  HATS OFF TO CHERRY (Pat Doyle)
 excerpts:
  "If they had listened to me, TI told em back in '79, "Don't do it. Keep
  helmets optional." And here, 12 years later, they're finally realizing
  that I was right. Again.
 
 Cherry supports a move to rid hockey of no-talent thugs by banishing the
 instigator from the game.
  "I do agree that this will get rid of some of the guys who just sit on the
   bench.  If you can't play the game you shouldn't just be sitting there
   like a mad dog waiting to be thrown out on the ice.  So I think they did
   a pretty good job."
  
  At the same time Cherry lashed out at NHL peaceniks like Harry Sinden &
 Mike MIlbury (Boston) also Howard Baldwin (Pittsburgh), each of whom
was a major player in the move to ban fighting.
  "Guys like Baldwin... he's afraid of fighting and he has a guy like
  Ulf Samuelsson on his club who goes around maimin people with knees.
  He's the dirtiest, filthiest player in the league.  That's a guy I
  would like to get out of the league.
   Best of all is Mike Milbury.  The only reason he made the NHL is 'cause
 of his fighting and he's against it now. Boy talk about talking out of two
 sides of your mouth."
 
Cherry didn't limited his verbal broadside to the peaceniks.  He also laid
into Mike Smith (Winnipeg) who traded Grape's favorite player, Shawn Cronin
to the Nordiques.
  "Ya know why they traded him?  With all the Europeans Smith's getting
   on the club, Cronin the Barbarian sitting there would have scared 'em off.
   They didn't even want him in the dressing room."
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: YOU SILLY FOOLS
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:37:40 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

In article <1992Aug27.022256.29712@news.nd.edu> dnewell@milton.helios.nd.edu (devin newell) writes:
>Boo Hiss to all the silly fools who applauded the new diving rule.
>Please screw on your heads and follow me if you can.
>
>1.  Under the old rules, if a ref sees a player take a dive and he knows
>    it is a dive, he doesn't call a penalty and the only thing that happens
>    is that the player how took the dive also took himself out of the play.
>    This is creates an advantage for the 'other' team. No harm done.
>

The disincentive should be greater than this because a diver is
inenvitably going to be successful in drawing a few penalties, so 
when the referee catches a diver, a 2-minute penalty is warranted
to even up for the times the diver draws a penalty.

>2.  If a player takes a dive and the ref didn't see that it was a dive (I know
>    it's hard to believe but this does happen) the referee thinks it's
>    a penalty and will call it as such.
>
>
>The new rule never affects the second case which is what most of us get
>upset about to begin with.  I admit it sure sounds cool.  Taking a dive is
>no longer legal and is punishable by perpetual bus rides through the minor
>leagues.  But in effect people, the only reason for this rule is because
>it sounds good on paper and it satisfied some cry babies of the NHL elite owners.

Gerald