From: dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker)
Subject: Re: What I think
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:59:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.133834.8889@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.105412.6902@cheshire.oxy.edu>, dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker) writes:
>> Here's what I beleive.
>> 
>> The christians say that all those who are good and do not sin go
>> to heaven, all those who are bad and sin go to hell. I do not think
>> this is so. 
>
>I disagree with you.  1 Corinthians 6:9,10 "Do you not know that wrongdoers
>will not inherit the kingdom of God?  Do not be deceived!  Fornicators,
>idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy,
>drunkards, revilers, robbers - none of these will inherit the kingdom of God."
>
>Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death..."

You are welcome to disagree with me. I personally don't care, however.
As for your biblical quotes, read further down in my article for what
I think of those.

>>I believe in a God of complete forgiveness; 
>
>Romans 6:23 (part two) "...but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ
>Jesus our Lord"
>
>>I think
>> God takes everyone up into heaven who wants to go. 
>
>Where is that written in the Bible, which is God's Word to His Church?
>
I never said it was. You, a christian, demand proof from me? We are in
the same boat, friend. Neither of us can prove anything. It is all a
matter of what you beleive and what makes sense to you. Your God does
not make sense to me.

>>I don't believe
>> heaven is a reward for the true believers. I don't think God is into
>> rewarding. I think his ultimate goal is to turn all of humanity
>> into nice, loving people.
>
>The goal is for all to be God's children; for everyone to be saved.

Think further than this. HOW does God want all to be God's children?
Why, by being nice, loving people to each other.

>> The forces of Evil, on the other hand, have the opposite goal. They
>> want to wipe humanity off of the face of the earth. Evil is quick
>> to condemn humanity for its many sins. However, Evil does NOT
>> take people into hell to be punished. Why would Evil want them there?
>> Evil doesn't even like them! Evil only takes those that it thinks
>> will help it in the fight to destroy humanity. (God, of course,
>> wants only to save humanity.)
>> Thus everyone goes to heaven, 
>
>Again, where is this written in the Holy Bible?

You silly little man. Again, I don't beleive it is. I do not believe
in the bible.

>>except for the truly Evil, who go
>> to Hell to join the forces of Evil.
>
>If you aren't saved by the blood of Christ, then you're going to Hell anyway.

Why? Why does this make sense? Explain it to me.

>> The christians say that while we are alive, God wants us to find
>> good. Yet, they say when we die, God gives up on us! I don't think
>> God gives up.All in all, I think I have much more faith in God
>> than most christians. 
>
>I think you have more belief in God than some Christians, but not more faith. 
>When have you trusted in God?

Faith is defined as 'complete acceptance of a truth that cannot be proved.'
Many christians, including you, show their lack of faith by their
adherence to the bible. This is their proof. Another way christians 
have no faith is following God so they can be saved and get into Heaven.
I believe that if given the option of being damned and by doing so 
saving the rest of humanity, a true follower of God would do so without
even having to think about it.

What about you, Marshall? Would you do that? Would you give up your
seat in Heaven for another?

>>If they had faith they wouldn't be so into
>> the bible. 
>
>Why not?

Because they would be able to find God without it. 

>>The bible is just a book. 
>
>Yep, you are correct.  But it does contain incredible amounts of wisdom and
>teachings that came from God and His people.
>>It gets in the way. Christians
>> cling to it because it is their only proof. 
>
>It is one of the PHYSICAL proofs, but not the only.  The "born-again"
>experience is very real.  God is faithful.

Yes, christians cling to it because it is their only PHYSICAL proof.

>>But religion is beyond
>> proof. You can only have faith.
>
>It takes faith to be a Christian.  You cannot "reason" God into your life.  But
>God does want us to be good thinkers though.

That's the only intelligent thing you've said.

>> As for me, I support the forces of Evil. I think humanity is
>> basically no damn good. Best to wipe it off the face of the earth.
>
>Then you sin against your neighbor, commit murder, think murderous thoughts,
>and follow idols ( just like a "religious person" ).

I am religious. Just different religion. :)

>> Hiz Lord Dementia



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