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From: jmf@endor.harvard.edu ( ghost )
Subject: Re: Vernor Vinge's new book...
Organization: DAS Purchasing, Harvard University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:37:16 GMT

In article <MATT.93Jan25121231@physics2.berkeley.edu> matt@physics.berkeley.edu writes:
->planetary wealth.  Still, even that isn't completely implausible: what
->we're reading isn't the postings themselves, but the translations of
->the translations of the translations of the postings.  We can imagine
->that the postings seem more sensible to the alien civilizations that
->posted them than they do to us, and that the sophomoric flavor of many
->of the postings is just the way that the translation programs attempt
->to deal with what are really incomprehensibly alien viewpoints.

I feel that way about 'real' usenet...
(haven't read Vinge's book yet)
From: JeffS@cup.portal.com (Jeffrey K Seidel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Memory,Sorrow and Thorn
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 19:42:06 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

OK Thanks!
           I was afraid something had happened to Tad Williams. Glad
to hear it was just a case of being over prolific 8-).
                                                       JeffS
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From: polowin@chem.queensu.ca (Joel Polowin)
Subject: Re: WANTED: list of post-1981 hard SF
Organization: Dept. of Chemistry, Queen's University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:32:44 GMT

In article <jthorpe1-230193133534@mac17.public.swarthmore.edu> jthorpe1@cc.swarthmore.edu (jere7my tho?rpe) writes:
>
>A physics professor acquaintance of mine wants to run an SF course here,
>with an emphasis on the "science" in "science fiction."  (I.e. she wants a
>physics/SF course instead of a literature/SF course.)  She's up to date on
>most of the stuff before 1980, but lost track after that. 

John E. Stith's _Redshift Rendezvous_ is reasonably hard SF, and I enjoyed
it a lot.

Joel Polowin
polowin@silicon.chem.queensu.ca, polowin@chem.queensu.ca,
polowinj@qucdn.queensu.ca
From: mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Man of Gold, by Barker
Keywords: Tekumel, Barker, Man of Gold
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:12:08 GMT
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
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In article <C1GMA2.8K2@sci.kun.nl> josv@sci.kun.nl (Jos Ververgaard) writes:

>As I said it is supposed to be the first of a series of books set in the
>same universe. Can anyone tell me if any of these books were actually written,
>and if so what are their titles (and in case of multiple writers, their authors
>as well).

 There is one other book, _Flamesong_, that was written. The whole world
and the language is the creation of Barker who had been working on it
since he was a child.
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Yet more on Brin
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:49:30 GMT

mike@micros.COM ("Michael J. Lonski"):
>Even with some commonality in mindsets/viewpoints, you still have a vast 
>number of different languages, modes of expression and mental viewpoints.  
>Translation between these has to be a more onerous task...

No, it's fairly clear from Startide Rising that there are very few
Galactic languages -- on the order of one or two dozen.  Part of
the uplift process, among Galactics, is moulding the Clients to
fit within this procrustean framework.

>I don't think that any other race would have produced near the same
>volume of information as humans did while developing simply because most
>took the accepted route of using what was already there rather than waste
>time "re-inventing the anti-gravity generator".

I don't think this is a significant factor.  The of scientific
library-fodder that humans produce is only a small part of a large
stream that includes histories, literature, paperwork, statistics,
entertainment, artwork, and commercial archives.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   The inability of snakes to count is actually a refusal, on their part,
    to appreciate the Cardinal Number system. -- "Actual Facts"
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Enormous Big Things
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:44:00 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: cxc4107@hertz.njit.edu (Christopher Lee Cavender)

I don't know if this was mentioned, but the galaxy spanning Zones in
Vinge A FIRE UPON THE DEEP may or may not be artificial.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Organization: Center for Machine Translation, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:03:04 -0500 
From: John Robert Leavitt <jl3j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Author Poll Results: Gene Wolfe

Gene Wolfe
----------
<The Book of the New Sun series>     + 31
Soldier of the Mist                  + 12
The Fifth Head of Cerberus           +  8
The Shadow of the Torturer           +  8
The Island of Doctor Death and       +  8
  Other Stories and Other Stories
Peace                                +  5
There Are Doors                      +  5
Storeys from the Old Hotel           +  2
<Soldier series>                     +  1
Soldier Of Arete                     +  1
Endangered Species                   +  1
Book of Days                         +  1
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
``Forlesen'' [????]                  -  1
The Sword Of The Lictor              -  1
Castleview                           -  1
Free Live Free                       -  1
Operation Ares                       -  1
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From: phardie@nastar.uucp (Pete Hardie)
Subject: Re: Steven R. Boyett
Organization: Digital Transmission Systems, Duluth, GA.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:24:02 GMT

In article <C1FMHH.1Gt@news2.cis.umn.edu> albatros@wings.micro.umn.edu (Bob Alberti) writes:
>Pete Hardie (phardie@nastar.uucp) wrote:
>: The second book of the AoS series has not been published due to Boyett
>: changing publishers - the new one doesn't want to publish only the later
>: half of a series, and the old one wasn't paying enough to suit Boyett.
>
>Boyett must be pretty picky!  I read Ariel and it was o-kay, inasmuch as
>I always enjoy a good postapocalyptic story, but it was no great shakes and
>collapsed badly at the end (IMHO).  Architect of Sleep was well-titled, as
>I was almost entirely unable to survive it, and found it (IMHO) weak, at best.

I seem to have mistyped somewhat - Boyett and the publisher have a difference
about the second book - they may be unwilling to publish at all.  Boyett
also apparently has a contract with the second publisher for the second book,
so it's not just him that's holding the book back.


-- 
Pete Hardie:  phardie@nastar  (voice) (404) 497-0101
Digital Transmission Systems, Inc., Duluth GA
Member, DTS Dart Team           |  cat * | egrep -v "signature virus|infection" 
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From: harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Zak)
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Subject: Re: Aes Sedai
Date: 23 Jan 1993 11:42:23 -0800
Organization: Seattle University
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Summary: finally....

In article <C19zxC.JAy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
     (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>
>I haven't the foggiest what this thread is about,
>but could the Aes Sedai have anythggn to do with
>the Aes Sidhe, the People of the Sidh ie: The Tuatha De
>Danaans (the fay, the Sidhe, etc.)?

I have no idea who you are, yet somehow I could kiss you.... 


>a very confused LJC
>-- 
>Lady Johanna Constantine* Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will
>tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
>Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
>Church of Our Lady of the Perpetually Clueless, donations accepted......

--
Daniel John Kelly-Harrity ---------| |--------- "Sooner spit in a 
Seattle University ----------------| |---------  Wolf's Eye,
Seattle, Washington ---------------| |---------  than cross an
USA 98122 -------------------------| |---------  Aes Sedai."

  "Welcome to All Things Scottish...If it's not Scottish, It's *CRAP*!"
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Riverworld (Farmer)
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:07:25 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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In article <C1DDz7.CGz@ccu.umanitoba.ca> feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca  
(Michael Feld) writes:
> In article <1jq9ftINN2i4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>  
as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
> >
> >I recently completed the first Riverworld novel, _To their  
Scattered Bodies
> >Go_.  The whole concept is intriguing, but unfortunately, my local  
bookstores
> >tell me the rest of the series (Starting with _The Fabulous  
Riverboat_) are
> >out of print!  How can this be?  Anyway, I've heard rumors the  
story goes
> >downhill from book 1: is it worth tracking it down?  Does he ever  
reveal the
> >secrets of the Riverworld, and does the main character from book 1  
ever
> >triumph? (Are any of the later books even centered around him?)
> >
> >Mike
> >-- 
> 
> 
> Don't do it; don't read any more of 'em.  The series never gets any
> better, and it never ends.  The promised conclusion (was it the  
third?
> fourth?) came, but on went the series, riverrun pointlessly to no
> see, at all.
> 

I disagree. The Fabulous Riverboat, while not as good as To Your
Scattered Bodies Go, is a pretty good book.  The Dark Design
is OK (and is better than lots of the stuff on the shelves these
days though that's not saying much).  The Magic Labyrnth is poor,
and Gods of the Riverworld is awful.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
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From: write@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Glen Cox)
Subject: Re: Bruce McAllister / Bibliographies on the net
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:33:40 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1k3v17INN40i@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
>Friend asked what I knew about Bruce McAllister and all I'd heard
>was the name, which was all my s-f-minded friends knew either.
>I used xgopher and xwais and came up with references to a story of
>his in "Alien Sex" and a book edited by "McAllister and Harrison",
>presumably him and Harry.
>
>What else is there to this McAllister fellow and are there s-f
>bibliographies on the net?  Couldn't find anything with xwais
>and xgopher besides the above.

Bruce McAllister has published only one novel that I can think of
off the top of my head, DREAM BABY (St. Martins or Tor, late 80s).
The book that he edited with Harry Harrison was THERE WON'T BE
WAR, an anthology of stories ascribing peaceful solutions to 
conflict.

glen
Glen E. Cox               *  No quote today
write@lamar.ColoState.Edu *
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From:  (David Ingham)
Subject: Re: Aes Sedai
Organization: Beer R Us
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:13:39 GMT
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In article <1993Jan25.183058.21079@cc.gatech.edu>, erica@cc.gatech.edu
(Erica Liebman Sadun) wrote:
> 
> 
> (1) Who is jaim farstrider.  Indications are (strong strong hints) that 
> 	he is still alive. Could he be Thom? After all, Morraine was
> 	fairly certain that he was still alive after the Fade got him.
> 	Why was that?
> (2) What the HECK are the Aelfin and Elfin up to.  Why can't they stand
> 	iron or music or light?  And why does it occur to me that
> 	neither the tinks nor the aiels carry swords (iron)? And what
> 	are the implications of Mat carrying the steel ("well heck it's not
> 	iron") into one of the gates. Remember, Rand is supposed to break
> 	swords and turn 'em into leaves. (way thereof?) and the Aiel
> 	and the Tinks neither carry swords.
> (3) Who was Mat? In rereading, I realize that he can't be King Arthur because
> 	Art is one of the dead heroes that stops by to say hi y'all and 
> 	call Rand Lewin.  My guess is aemon.  Clues: Red Eagle, massive
> 	gambler and that battle scene against the thousands of ravening
> 	trollocs.

Mat was only made one of the heroes after he was separated from the Dagger
by the White Tower.  Notice in the first two books he didn't show any signs
of his luck or speaking in the old tounge.  Kind of like a time distortion.
 Maybe aemon was his great, great , great etc. grandfather.

> (4) OF course!  Gawyn == Gawain just as Galad == Galahad.  (Hit me on the
> 	forehead!  Egwene is besotted by Galad right now, but 10 gets you
> 	2 1/2 that she ends up with more sensible Gawyn who doesn't turn
> 	his siblings in for stealing cookies.  Galad is also wandering a
> 	bit down the path of good intentions/bad results with his new found
> 	adoration of the White cloaks.  I still think that he has something
> 	to do with the takeover of the white tower.
> (5) Why is Tigraine and not Breyan the mother of Rand?  I'm a bit confused
> 	on this.  Remember that Luc/Isam looks an awful lot like Rand (same
> 	mom?, indicating Breyan) and an awful lot like Lan (cousined dad). 
> 	You'd imagine that he'd have to have blood from both.

In the Dragon Reborn one of the innkeepers mentions to Thom how much Rand
resembled Tigraine. 


> Source of quotes ">": ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)

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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Sturgeon's Admonition
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:03:41 EST

In article <1993Jan19.024708.1964@edsi.plexus.COM>
lon@edsi.plexus.COM (Lon Ponschock) writes:
 
>
>
>	I'm remebering an essay which might have been in one of the
>'zines by Ted Sturgeon way back when.
>
>	In it, he said that the thing people fail to do when looking for
>answers (I think) is to "ask the next question."
>
>	If you are concerned about the quality of writing available, for
>instance, the Next Question might be:  So who's buying this stuff.
>
>	If someone knows the source material where this came from, it
>would probably be of interest.
>
>	I know this:  since I read the piece, I always try to "ask the
>next question"  myself.  :-)
>
 
   I think the "essay" you're referring to is the postscript to his story
"If All Men were Brothers, Would You Let One Marry Your Sister." in
_Dangerous Visions_ anthology.
   IMO (and contrary to many who think a story should be able to stand by
itself), any reprinting of that story without the postscript is crippled.
Without the postscript, the story just seems to be written for mere shock
value of incest.  With the postscript (and the first few sentences of the
postscript mirror the first few sentences of the story.), it becomes an
exploration of how we perceive and create morality.
 
    Junsok Yang
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Subject: Re: Aes Sedai
From: alanb@sdl.ug.eds.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:15:00 GMT
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:03:10 GMT

>>>>> On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:03:10 GMT, tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) said:
>>> 
>>> Aes Sedai:

> I haven't the foggiest what this thread is about,
> but could the Aes Sedai have anythggn to do with
> the Aes Sidhe, the People of the Sidh ie: The Tuatha De
> Danaans (the fay, the Sidhe, etc.)?

I think the general concensus in the recent r.g.frp.misc
discussion/flamewar was that the Tuatha De Danaan are not
the same beings as the Sidhe.
From: garrett@cs.rochester.edu (Bill Garrett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Is SF imaginative? (somewhat long)
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:59:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1993Jan26.145933.25389
Organization: University of Rochester

In article <1kFygd#8Tjq4K3f3MCk29YL9j5xgpTb=esr@snark.thyrsus.com> esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) writes:
>I'm not impressed by SF authors who wave around social-criticism agendas while
>displaying massive ignorance of science, history, economics and ecology.  I
>can't be challenged by an imagined future I don't believe.


I prefer softer SF to hard SF in general.  To change your statement a bit:

I'm not impressed by SF authors who wave around scientific theory and
basic, bastardized theories of history, economics and ecology, while
displaying massive ignorance of sociology, psychology  and the 
human condition.  All three of which are likely to have a much more important 
effect on any future. 

 -Bill


-- 
Bill Garrett			ARPA: garrett@cs.rochester.edu
University of Rochester		UUCP: {decvax,rutgers}!rochester!garrett
Rochester  NY  14627		VOX:  (716) 275-5605
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From: user@computer.uio.no (PC Jorgensen)
Subject: Re: Riverworld (Farmer)
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: UiO
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:12:42 GMT

I recall that I found the three first books in the series all good, the
first two very good, and the third a bit long-winded, but still OK. The
two last were downhill from there, and Farmer shouldn't really have written
no. 5. 

But you can do a lot worse sf reading than these 5 books. Try 'em.


------------ 
P C Jorgensen
Graduate student
Department of East European and Oriental Studies
University of Oslo
Norway
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From:  (David Ingham)
Subject: Re: PIERS ANTHONYS XANTH BOOKS????????
Organization: Beer R Us
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:23:03 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written

In article <C182LC.2z0@naz.edu>, krhill@naz.edu (Kenneth R. Hill) wrote:
> 
> In article <93020.123501U52025@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U52025@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> >  Would someone give me a list of all of Piers Anthonys Xanth books in order
> >  that they came out? 
> 
> Here you go.  Only the good ones though.
> {which means all of them.}
> 
> 1.) Spell For a Chameleon
> 2.) Source of The magic.
> 3.) Castle Roogna
> 4.) Centaur Aisle
(list deleted)
> 14.) Question Quest
> 15.) The Color of Her Panties 
> 
> Just one comment if #1 was the only good one, then how come the 
> printed 14 more?  Could it be that a lot of people actually like them?
> -- 
Well I liked the first 4, bought and read the rest, and stopped after #14. 
Could the momentum of the first few good ones have carried the sales of the
next few?   Have readers gotten tired of the series and not bought #15 (has
to be the stupidest title for a book ever).  I don't remember seeing it on
the best seller list.   
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From: damm@diku.dk (Kristian Damm Jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Zelazny
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:54:04 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu (Dave Weingart) writes:

>In article <9301191827.AA19983@rutgers.edu>, duru@cc.ec-lyon.fr (Duru Emmanuel) writes:
>> >Do you mean that their roles were different than in Egyptian myth?  That's
>> >because several of the old gods were killed and the survivors moved up.
>> 
>> I mean that they really have NOTHING to do with Egyptian gods. Their roles were
>> different, and so were their aspects (except for Anubis), their clothes...
>> Zelazny could have called them Odin, Thor and Loki, that would have changed
>> nothing...

>Yeah, so?  The point of the story is _not_, IMHO, the names of the characters
>but what they do.  

Why then use the egyptian names?

>If Zelazny had called a character McCarthy, would you 
>worry that s/he wasn't ferreting out communists?  If there was a character
>named DeGaulle, would it be outrageous for s/he _not_ to be insisting on
>all things French?

>A character's name is just that...a name.  

No. A lot of names carry connotations (or whatever it's called, it been
a while since I was tought literature). A name like Jesus can't be
used in just any setting without confusing the reader, who has some
expectations to that particular name.

>It needn't signify anything at all. 

Right. But many names does. A name like deGaulle would be badly chosen
if the caracter hasn't anything to do with the old general. John Smith
on the other hand wouldn't give any trouble.
-- 
Kristian Damm Jensen (damm@diku.dk)
"Life is like a sewer - what you get out of it depends on what you put into it"
- Tom Lehrer
From: william.johnson@um.cc.umich.edu (William Johnson)
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Subject: Chung Kuo
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:21:27 GMT
Organization: The Univerisity of Michigan
Distribution: world
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Does anyone out there know when the fourth "Chung Kuo" novel is goin
to be released.  (I'm new to this group, so if this question has
been asked and answered, have mercy)
Thank you in advance.
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Aes Sedai
Keywords: Sedai, Templar, Masonry
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:21:35 GMT

>>2. He has a brother who is part cousin of lan and part bad-guy/forsaken.
>
>Right, Lan/Isam.

I meant, Luc/Isam.
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From: troly@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Bret Jolly)
Subject: Re: WANTED: list of post-1981 hard SF
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 22:57:13 GMT

In article <jthorpe1-230193133534@mac17.public.swarthmore.edu> jthorpe1@cc.swarthmore.edu (jere7my tho?rpe) writes:

>A physics professor acquaintance of mine wants to run an SF course here,
>with an emphasis on the "science" in "science fiction."  (I.e. she wants a
>physics/SF course instead of a literature/SF course.) 

   A short story that fits this course perfectly:
    _The Speed of Lightness_ by Charles Sheffield

Hilarious, and definitely about physics.


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From: robertm@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (MONTGOMERY ROBERT PH)
Subject: Chalker's _Dance Band on the Titanic_ (*SPOILERS*)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:03:38 GMT

I finally read this book, and enjoyed the introductions, most
of the stories, and the afterword.  (I also read _A Jungle of
Stars_ and found it fun as well.)  The cover, while beautiful,
is unfortunately misleading.

Chalker said the "Dance Band..." story is his favorite of all
of his writings, long and short, and has no urge to rewrite it
when he rereads it.  I definitely liked it, but one part stuck
out when I read it, so I thought I'd ask what other people thought.

He ends a section of the story with the authors's boss [the story
was written in first person] warning him about meeting a woman.
The boss says that if he ever meets a PRETTY LASS on shore, and wants
to settle down, he should do so and not go back on the ship again,
otherwise she'll be greeted by a STRANGER and he might never find
her again.

Nothing (unless I'm missing something?) was done with that idea.
It appears that Chalker may have had a longer story in mind, where
main character *does* meet such a lass.

I believe he chose his ending, that of saving the young woman
[once anyway] who was killing herself in the different time frames,
because of the real life events the story was based on.

However, it seems like it may have been even *more* interesting
to develop the idea that this PRETTY LASS is "the same person as"
the woman who is always killing herself.  He could start to fall
for her on shore, while maybe catching glimpses of her other
instantiations [excuse my computer-ese] on the ship, not knowing
they're the same person in some sense.  The ending could be some
wonderful Twilight Zone-like conclusion where he/we find that not
only are the women one in the same, but the STRANGER that comes
to visit is another instantiation of himself, but in another time
frame.  (The details have been left as an exercise ... ;-)

-Rob

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