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From: crawdad@fncent (Matt Crawford)
Subject: Re: Illinois drivers license numbers
Organization: FERMILAB, Batavia, IL
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:12:59 GMT


True story:

I had a roommate Stephen P Hirsch who moved to Illinois from another
state.  He was assigned a driver's license number that had been
revoked from a Steven P Hires.  His insurance was promptly cancelled.
It took him months to get the records fixed and in the interim he
sold his car because he couldn't use it.
_________________________________________________________
Matt Crawford       crawdad@fncent.fnal.gov      Fermilab
From: marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman)
Newsgroups: chi.general,alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Walter Jacobsen's a Fool; WOD reporting on Chicago's CBS News.
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:25:24 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Marcal Systems Corporation

phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:

>In article <1992Nov13.181205.15882@marcal.uucp> marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman) writes:
>>dbk@uunet!tellab5!odgate (Dan Keith) writes:
>>
>>>Fact: Saliva is known to be fatal, but only when swallowed in small amounts
>>>over a long period of time.
>>
>>What's your source for this, Dan?

>It's well known -- many studies have replicated it.  So far, every person who
>is known to swallow small amounts of saliva has died within 120 years.

>B^)

>>>Fact: Mother's milk is a gateway drug. Studies have shown that a large
>>>percentage of drug addicts initially started with it.
>>
>>What study was this?  Who funded it?  Where was it published?

>Again, this is old -- a study from the sixties or seventies.

>What Dan is illustrating is that (please repeat after me):

>	Correlation does not equal causation!

Sorry, Pete.  It looks like Dan was lying about those studies.
Maybe that's one reason drug-legalization advocates have trouble
convincing the rest of us who salivate, were nursed as infants,
and drink wine with meals but don't use illegal drugs.
-- 
-- Marc Veeneman
From: marx@meltdown.chi.il.us (Marx Xram)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: Toyota on Western SUCKS! Dont buy there!
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:31:38 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <1992Nov16.214328.27650@midway.uchica o.edu>,
hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) writes:
>I just got completely taken for a ride at Toyota on Western and so want to 
>warn everyone interested in going there to purchase a car.  Since I
>bought a used VW Jetta '88 from there, I cant speak for their new cars
>but can tell you about their attitudes.  I am currently drafting a letter
>to Toyota Motor Corp., Toyota Credit Corp., The Atourney general,
>and the Better Business Bureau to inform them of their business practices.
>
>but I owe $1200 more on my credit card....If I wanted to spend
>over $9,000, I would definitely bought a new car!! :(
>
>At this point all I will advise people looking for a car is
>
>DON'T GO NEAR TOYOTA ON WESTERN!!!!!!!!!
>
>Let my suffering be a lesson.  
>I've decided to keep the car since I'm too scared to buy another.
I hate buying cars, too-I am always
afraid of what happened to you(and
it HAS happened to me with a used
car...)and I hate to buy new because
of depreciation.  so what I've hit
on is buying used rent-a-cars. The
companies are reputable, the prices
are right, and you get a decent 
warranty.  We've been happy with
ours for 2 yrs now, and it's the
only way we'll ever go again...
(try Enterprise-mostly insurance
replacements, as opposed to Hertz,
etc-airport visitors...)Also the 
cars will have relatively lo miles
(under 30,000)and have to have
been maintained to some degree to
avoid breakdowns/complaints...
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From: wallace@iitmax.iit.edu (Wallace)
Subject: Dave Veona
Keywords: Phone Number
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center
Distribution: chi
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:28:26 GMT

Dave,
 I lost your phone number and e-mail address. Please call me.

Ralph

-- 
=============================================================================
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I am in search of perfection.           Dr. Ralph W. Wallace               
                                        
USPS: Illinois Institute of Technology  TEL#: (708) 682-6030      
      Dept. of Computer Science         UUCP: wallace@iitmax.IIT.EDU
      210 E. Loop Road                  BITNET: CSWALLACE@IITVAX
      Wheaton, Illinois  60187
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From: grnwood@gagme.chi.il.us (Jerry Greenwood)
Subject: Boycott Cineplex Odeon
Originator: grnwood@gagme
Organization: GAGME - Public Access UNIX of Chicago, Illinois, USA, Earth
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:25:28 GMT

CINEPLEX ODEON Corporation of Toronto Canada is currently engaged in
attempting to destroy over 300 families in the Chicagoland area.  Members
of the Motion Picture Projectionists Union Local 110 of Chicago have been
locked out of their jobs as of November 8th, 1992, at midnight.

CINEPLEX ODEON seems to have written the book on how to alter their
mismanaged bottom line on the backs of the working people in the
Chicagoland area.

The whole thing goes something like this.....
Automated equipment was installed, in anticipation of a lockout, over a
period of one month in all major outlets in the chain.  The locks were
changed at the theatres one week before contract negotiations were to
begin.  At the first negotiation session they made an offer that would cut
our membership by 75% and cut the wage & benefit package for those
remaining by 85%. Yes, you heard it correctly, 85%!  They offered no
negotiation until we voted on that offer. It was rejected by secret ballot
of 239 to 1. We were locked out three days later. Pamphlets explaining why
we were locked out were already printed by CINEPLEX ODEON before we voted
and wildly inflated hourly wage claims were leaked to the press.

In response to this letter you may hear that we have too many men and we
make too much money.  The purpose of this article is not to talk about
those allegations.  It's about negotiation.  At our last contract talks we
gave back 30% in cuts.  We knew going in that we'd have to give back some
more and talk about personnel reductions.  We never got the chance!

Oh, about that book I alluded to earlier?  Funny, it  has no author.  No
one wants to admit to having written it.  It's just too dirty.

Gerald C. Greenwood 
Projectionist Local 110 IATSE
grnwood@gagme.chi.il.us


-- 

Submitted for your approval.....
Jerry Greenwood                                                      N9NRG
grnwood@gagme.chi.il.us                                       312-545-2219

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From: stevew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Steven Weinstein)
Subject: Volvo repair in North Chicago/Evanston/Skokie?
Summary: Need to find Volvo mechanic
Keywords: Volvo Car Repair
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: chi
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:53:23 GMT

Does anyone know of a good Volvo mechanic in the Northern Chicago, Evanston,
or Skokie area?  I have a 1983 240 Turbo.

                                                   Thanks, Steve Weinstein
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: dennis@fnbc.com
Subject: Re: Toyota on Western SUCKS! Dont buy there!
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:46:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.222235.8999@midway.uchicago.edu>  
hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) writes:
> In article <1992Nov17, phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:
> > 
> these places bet on........My word of advice is buy a new car.
> At least then the manufacturer is liable for everything.  And if
> you must buy a used one dont do it on Toyota on Western.

Used car dealerships have the sterling reputation that they do for a
reason... :0

My advice is never buy a used car without having it checked out first
by a mechanic (NOT the mechanic at the dealership).  Many will give
it a 5 min look-over for free, and a thorough checkout for  < $50.
They invariably come up with a list of things that need fixing, which you
can use to negotiate the sale price down.  If the dealer won't let
you take it off the lot to have it  checked, look somewhere else.

At least Toyota on Western fixed the cracked windshield, that in itself
is pretty surprising for a car thats already been sold.

--
Dennis D. Box          	|   (312) 732-6329 	| "Its FUN to have fun,
My own opinions, not 	| dennis@fnbc.com      	| but you have to know 
my employers. Your 	| ddb@vpnet.chi.il.us	| how!"   -T. Geisel
reactions may vary. 	|  Kill Your Television.  
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From: gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly)
Subject: Re: Short-Term notes (Was Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: chi
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:20:30 GMT
Summary: Words well chosen.
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance, short-term notes

In article <1992Nov18.175008.22692@netcom.com>, mzimmers@netcom.com
(Michael Zimmers) writes:
> Talk about meanspirited.  Reagan was not and is not senile.  Quayle
> is not stupid.  And Bush is not meanspirited, merely realistic and of
> a value system inconsistent with yours.  (I'll have to agree about Carter.)
 
> There is plenty to beef about in our leaders; it isn't necessary to
> apply unkind and inaccurate labels to them.

I think they were very accurate, and it had nothing to do with my
opinions of their political philosophies.  Reagan delegated his
authority very well, but he was always falling asleep and muttering
things that made it clear he had no idea where he was--and thus
his handlers kept him under very close rein.  On the plus side,
Reagan could act the "super-dad" leader role expected of the Presidency.
But he was obviously far away in a movie set someplace.  Or are all
the biographies off the wall?

If you look at any of Quayle's public statements, it is obvious he is
stupid.  Which is consistent with his academic record as well.  And
no, I am not confusing lack of rhetorical talent with lack of
intelligence.  I think it was football all-pro Ahmad Rashad who once
said of the Pittsburgh Steelers then-QB Terry Bradshaw, "He's so dumb
he couldn't spell CAT if you spotted him the C and the A and the T."
Rashad was exaggerating, of course.  In Quayle's case, however...

As for Bush, that may be more of a value judgement on my part.
He has always seemed to me psychologically incapable of really being a
leader.  His choice of Quayle for VP demonstrates his own per-
ception of the shortness of his shadow.  And it was fairly obvious
that Baker was the *real* president.  There is just something
about Bush's perpetual smirk, something about his "visceral
reactions" (as to flag burning) and almost parody *ss-kicking
swagger which belie a little boy continually compelled to prove
his manhood.  Bush has demonstrated neither graciousness nor warmth--
does that make him "mean"?  Perhaps not, but he certainly did not
point to his "kinder and gentler nation" by any sort of personal example.

               *** ***
Ken Perlow   ***** *****
20 Nov 92   ****** ******   30 Brumaire An CCI
            *****   *****   gadfly@ihspc.att.com <- New address.
             ** ** ** **             ^^^
...L'AUDACE!   *** ***   TOUJOURS DE L'AUDACE!  ENCORE DE L'AUDACE!
From: akcs.laser@vpnet.chi.il.us (Paul Lamb)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Boycott Cineplex Odeon
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:55:02 CST

If the claims they made about wages were so wildly inflated, then why not
use this forum to clear things up.  What does a card carrying member of
the projectionists union make?
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: rackow@altair.mcs.anl.gov (Gene Rackow)
Subject: Re: Toyota on Western SUCKS! Dont buy there!
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago, Illinois
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:01:42 GMT


I think in part that this is one of the best cases of buyer beware that I've
heard.  Anyone purchasing a used car should have it checked by an independent
mechanic before signing the purchase agreements.  Any dealer that does NOT
allow you to have the car check before purchase is not one to deal with.

This may not  catch all the problems, but it does sound like it would have
gotten the transmission and wiring problems before you bought the car.
Granted it may cost you $50-100 to do it, but that is alot less than the
$1200 that you spent to get your car to the state you thought it was in
to start with.  Depending on the dealer and your bargning tactics, you
might also be able to have the dealer pay for the exam IF anything bad
turns up.  If the car is as solid as he claims it to be, then you should
pay for the exam for your piece of mind.

--Gene

   Gene Rackow                    email: rackow@mcs.anl.gov
   Math & Computer Science        voice: 708-252-7126
   Argonne National Lab           FAX:   708-252-5986
   9700 S. Cass Ave. / Argonne, IL  60439
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Humorous Trivia
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:32:50 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

I just stumbled across the fact that if you go to the Amoco gas station at the
corner of Roosevelt Rd. and President Street in Wheaton, you can take a look at
their new EXPERIMENTAL cigerette racks, just developed in the Amoco Research
Labs.  No, I am not joking.  Even the new white paint on the interior is an
experimental paint...  (And this is one of the first small bullet-proof cubicle
gas-stations in existance.  Like a bullet-proof cubicle was ever needed in
WHEATON... :)

---
Krikket (a.k.a. Doug Krick)  ---  krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us
3 Danada Square East #246    ---  #include<std.disclaimers>
Wheaton, Il 60187  U.S.A.    ---  #include<e.hugs>

My name in Inigo Montoya, you killed my father.  Prepare to die!
Newsgroups: chi.general,uiuc.general
From: venkat@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Venkat)
Subject: Re: Illinois drivers license numbers
Followup-To: venkat@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:51:38 GMT

noe@cs.uiuc.edu (Roger Noe) writes:

>In article <BxrtIJ.MqI@ddsw1.mcs.com> dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT) writes:
>>mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier) wrote in
>><BxqpKH.15r@news.cso.uiuc.edu>:
>>
>>| If you let someone copy your drivers license number down, they have the
>>| information that is needed to determine your sex and birthdate.  They 
>> ....
>>
>>600.  Female birthday codes range from 601-972 and male birthday codes
>>from 001-372.

>After exchanging some e-mail with others, it appears that the
>algorithm behind assignment of Illinois drivers license numbers is
>mostly known.  Perhaps someone can fill in the few remaining gaps.
...
>	anyone have the whole Soundex table handy?  All I can remember
...

	The dBase IV Ver 1.1 (DOS) manual has the algorithm for getting
	the Soundex code for a string. This is how you do it...

	1. Retain the first letter of the name.
	2. Drop all occurrences of the letters (a e h i o u w y) in all
	positions except the first
	3. Assign a number to the remaining letters
		b f p v = 1
		c g j k q s x z = 2
		d t = 3
		l = 4
		m n = 5
		r = 6
	4. If two or more adjacent letters have the same code, then drop all
	but the first letter
	5. Generate code of the form "letter digit digi digit" - add trailing
	zeroes if there are less than three digits, and drop all digits after
	the third one on the right

	
	Venkat	
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain)
Subject: Re: Toyota on Western SUCKS! Dont buy there!
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:16:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.183253.6933@eecs.nwu.edu>, ian@nasser.eecs.nwu.edu (Ian Sutherland) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov17.222235.8999@midway.uchicago.edu> hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) writes:
> >Having spoken to a few law students/lawyers, it seems that I could
> >do something about it but not through the "lemon laws".  Apparently
> >lemon laws apply only to new cars and relate to the manufacturers
> >not the dealers.  Dealers are not liable for crappy cars(Hard to believe
> >but true).
> 
> I assume from your story that you didn't take the car to a mechanic to have
> it looked at before buying it (or if you did, it wasn't a very good
> mechanic).  This is standard procedure when buying a new car.  If the dealer
> doesn't want to let you do this, tell him goodbye.  I'm sure you're incredibly
> angry about this, but you really can't expect government to protect you from
> bad buying decisions.  Caveat emptor.
> -- 
> Ian Sutherland
> ian@eecs.nwu.edu

In a nutshell I disagree.  If I was paying $500 for a car I would say fine.  One
can expect some problems (however, my college Rabbit that I bought for that
price gave me no problems for about 2 years before it was totalled by a 
friend......now ex).  However, if you pay $8,000 for a car, you expect it to
be in decent shape, and at least to be told about what is wrong. They were
dishonest and sleazy.   I'm doing my best to spread the word:

DONT BUY AT TOYOTA ON WESTERN.  THEY'RE CROOKS.
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: Walter Jacobsen's a Fool; WOD reporting on Chicago's CBS News.
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Distribution: chi
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:24:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.181205.15882@marcal.uucp> marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman) writes:
>dbk@uunet!tellab5!odgate (Dan Keith) writes:
>
>>Fact: Saliva is known to be fatal, but only when swallowed in small amounts
>>over a long period of time.
>
>What's your source for this, Dan?

It's well known -- many studies have replicated it.  So far, every person who
is known to swallow small amounts of saliva has died within 120 years.

B^)

>>Fact: Mother's milk is a gateway drug. Studies have shown that a large
>>percentage of drug addicts initially started with it.
>
>What study was this?  Who funded it?  Where was it published?

Again, this is old -- a study from the sixties or seventies.

What Dan is illustrating is that (please repeat after me):

	Correlation does not equal causation!

As far as "gateway drugs" go, for *real* drugs -- ALCOHOL is the most common
gateway drug.  Most drug users' first drug was alcohol.  And there are still
far more users of alcohol in the US than any other drug.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

You will be surprised by a loud noise.
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From: phantom@gagme.chi.il.us (Leif Ericksen)
Subject: Re: Can anyone check somebodies credit??
Originator: phantom@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Distribution: chi
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:12:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.153513.1980@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>In article <1992Nov14.141811.3359@tellab5.tellabs.com> jstein@tellabs.com (Jeff Steinhauer) writes:
>>Recently I heard some disturbing news about people being able to
>>access credit checks/reports.
>
>>As I was driving to work this week I was listening to B96(96.3) on
>
>(I was once refused a Discover card, on the basis that, as a single
>male under 25, I did not fit their "safe" profile, regardless of my
>income.  When I pointed out the fine print on their application that
>said they could not refuse credit based on sex or age, they re-ran
>the application, and refused me on the basis that I had too many
	
	Interesting, I am 23 now and a single male.  I have a Discover card
that expires in 93, so I have had it for awhile now.  The Discover was issued
in 1989, a Sears card was issued way back in in 1989 also.  Then to top it off
I have a VISA card that was issued in 1989.  This is all by the member since
date,  NOW that does not mention the TWO School loans that I got in 89 or 90
so that I could attend DePaul University after leaving the hole in the
wall in McComb called Western Illionis University ( NO LOANS THERE )

	So count HOW many credit check I would have had there for yourself
I think that is atleast five... AND all of them would have been a couple 
of months apart.... I ALSO HAD NO JOB AT THE TIME, and was living at home..
ONLY the VISA card had a CO-Signer.  SO either you were denied because
of some BAD record reason, or just a screw-ball error, or ?????

	NOW, if a person knows you SS# like a girl friend might all she has
to do if really pissed is act like a business, call a credit ( how do you
spell it ) burue and say that you are a dead beat...

	WELL  More that E'NUFF said

	pardon me it is 01:12 now and I was up since 06:30 my brain is mush
and does not what to think about spelling.

	- Leif Ericksen
	phantom@gagme.chi.il.us

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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Can anyone check somebodies credit??
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Distribution: chi
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:35:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.141811.3359@tellab5.tellabs.com> jstein@tellabs.com (Jeff Steinhauer) writes:
>Recently I heard some disturbing news about people being able to
>access credit checks/reports.

>As I was driving to work this week I was listening to B96(96.3) on
>my radio and apparently this guy had his credit tarnished by his
>now x-girlfriend. Typical falling out cliche, apparently she didn't
>get what she wanted.......anyway the point ! Her friend ran about 3
>or 4 credit checks that month. Some kind of alert comes up on your
>report about having so many inquiries. He was going to buy a car
>for his parents 30th anniversary, that's how he found out about it.
>
>Can this happen to anyone or do you need permission to run a credit
>check ???


The credit checks were not performed by the girlfriend - they were
performed by whoever she applied for credit with.  If you apply for
a half dozen store credit cards in a short period, and then apply for
a bank loan, you're virtually guaranteed to be questioned.

(I was once refused a Discover card, on the basis that, as a single
male under 25, I did not fit their "safe" profile, regardless of my
income.  When I pointed out the fine print on their application that
said they could not refuse credit based on sex or age, they re-ran
the application, and refused me on the basis that I had too many
recent credit checks.  Never mind that both were by Discover... :-/    )
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
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