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From: fuzzy@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Fuzzy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.driving
Subject: blazer vs cherokee vs whatever
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:18:44 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University

my appologies for the crosspost, but i'm just trying to get as many 
people to read this as i can....

i'm going to be getting a new car...used actually, but no matter...
right now, i've pretty much decided on a chevy s-10 blazer or a jeep
cherokee....probably around 83-85, depending on what prices are....
anyway...i've heard some stuff about each of 'em...the old blazers have
problems with vibration, and the cherokees are really expensive to 
repair....are there any other things i should know about?  designs 
flaws or anything?  also, what's a good source for getting reviews 
of these....purdue has back issues of motor trend, but no reviews on 
what i'm looking for....car & driver's out too...any other possible
places to look?

oh yeah....any other blazer-like cars worth looking at?  other than 
ford broncos (II)...those are too small....need room for my 'stuff'

if you can, could you mail replies?  keeps traffic down and i don't 
read these groups much anyway....tho i probably will now that i'm in
the  market...

thanks for any info
greg

Fuzzy
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
From: hamilton@eng.umd.edu (Andrew W. Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Throttle response from stop lags
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:21:25 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: hamilton@state.eng.umd.edu


In article <BuFC79.2Eu@csn.org>, limd@teal.csn.org (Davin Lim) writes:
>I have an '84 Pontiac 6000STE with a 2.8l V6 (normally-aspirated).  If I try to
>accellerate "hard" from a stopped position (e.g. flooring the throttle,) there 
>is a distinct lag in the engine's response.  It will actually take a second or
>two to start building significant RPMs.  Things seem to be more responsive if 
>I don't floor the pedal but rather depress it more smoothly. 

My '78 Buick LeSabre does this too.  If you floor it, nothing happens for
a few seconds.  But if you only press it about 2/3 of the way down you can
make it spin the wheels almost immediately.   I don't know the answer, but
whould speculate that a better carb might cut down on the problem.  Anyone
know for sure?

Andrew.
From: dlou@TROI.UCSD.EDU (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: What's a good one??? was Re: CLUB Story
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:09:38 GMT
Reply-To: dlou@ece.ucsd.edu
Organization: University of California, San Diego


In article <1992Sep8.145550.8828@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>, c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep4.215354.2347@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
|> >	Someone suggested removing the computer and carrying it with you.
|> >Someone else suggested removing the coil wire and carrying it with you.  Both
|> >options seriously disable the car, although professionals could very easily
|> >start carrying spare coil wires and computers.
|> 
|> Hmmm. A user-removable car engine controller, which would be taken off the
|> car in much the same way the removable radios of today are.
|> 
|> Now, why didn't we (read .sig below :-) think of this earlier?
|>
|> -- 
|> Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
|> Software Technology, Delco Electronics       striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
|> GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]

Not only that, but you could encode the VIN number or some other such
code on both halves of the system so one couldn't just get a spare over
the counter.

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dlou@ucsd.edu          || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
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Newsgroups: osu.for-sale,rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: jws@billy.mlb.semi.harris.com (James W. Swonger)
Subject: Re: I NEED 2nd CAR..$2-300..ADVICE?..SELLER??
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:35:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

 Also consider mid-to-late '70s Toyota Corolla/Corona models with the 20R
engine. I sold mine with 180K on it, still running fine. 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: ... Ford in general
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:11:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.171942.17435@unvax.union.edu>
romansks@unvax.union.edu (Steve Romanski) writes:
>I have had it in the shop many other times to try to get the car to idle at 
>less than 1,600 RPM's once it is warmed up. They had the car for over a week
>finally said it was fixed and I didnt even get 10 miles down the road
>when it was doing it again. The have replaced the throttle control and oxygen
>sensor and said they could keep replacing stuff till the problem goes away.

>**  I'll take any suggestions on how to fix this that someone might have.

You cannot. The Ford EEC-IV computer cannot control the idle very well. 
New Throttle Pos sensors, ISC motors, whatever will not fix this problem. It
is beyond the intelligence of the engine computer. "Quality is Job 1."

What I had to do was drop the idle set screw so much, that (1) it takes no
less than 2 starts first thing in the morning to get it to stay running (this
is on a allegedly modern fuel injected car), and (2), every now and then, it
*still* decides it wants to idle at 2000 rpm for no apparant reason.

	-Kenny
-- 
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Not one of the "PC" weenies.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cjh1@ellis.uchicago.edu (chi ju huang)
Subject: Info on Regal/Camry/Accord needed
Reply-To: cjh1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:40:05 GMT

hello, world.

I'm buying a new car in a few weeks.
So far, the cars that I'm looking at are

[1] Buick Regal, Limited, with 3.8L V6 ('92)
[2] Toyota Camry, LE, 4 cyl ('92)
[3] Accord EX 4 dr ('92)
[4] Saturn SL2 ('92 is gone :-(
(I know, they are of different classes :-)

I did some home work by reading the _books_ and visiting local dealers.
My preliminary perception is as follows,

Camry is nice but is over priced. 4 cyl is not powerful, yet V6 is beyond
my budget. With the price of a Camry LE (4 cyl) + ABS, I can get a Regal Ltd.
Regal (with 3.8L V6) give me the power that I like and the ride is comfort,
yet its interior design is a kind of joke (in terms of the hard-to-reach
control buttons and hard-to-read meters). Accord EX is nice too, and is also
priced high. The reason for EX is ABS since it is not available in other
models. However, to get ABS, you have to swallow other options which come
with EX (such as sun/moon roof) and they are not free :-( Saturn is a fine car.
With $14k, you can get pretty much every thing (ABS + Air Bag). The only
problem is that it seems a bit small to me. (My previous cars are '78 BUICK
Century Station Wagon and '82 OLDS Cutlass. I reall like BIG cars :-)

So, I wish to know the real experiences of the owners of the those cars.
Please tell me your experiences/opinions/advises (good or bad) and the final
price you paid (as well as the process of negotiation :-) for your model.
By the way, I live in Chicago area. You might also recommend your favorite
dealers.

Thanks in advance.

- Chris			cjh1@ellis.uchicago.edu
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why a Mercedes Benz 600SEL?
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:26:08 GMT
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <26165@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW) writes...
>they'll sell plenty despite a seven-figure sticker. 

Cut me a break.  I'm a child of the New Math.  :)

Another reason for the 6-liter V12 might be expansion room.  Perhaps
they have in mind some big-bucks "Grosser" limousines, either theirs
or aftermarket, that have to lug around the extra weight of a stretch
and perhaps a ton or so of armor.  So maybe they're looking forward 
to serving the needs of politicians, drug barons, rich people in 
countries where kidnapping for ransom is rampant, and other folks
who have good reason to think they'll be shot at.

But I suspect that even after conversion it'll still be in six figures.

--Joe
"Just another innumerate personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: LYAA060@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Integra for sale in Austin, Texas
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:59:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

*** FOR SALE IN AUSTIN, TEXAS ***
1988 Acura Integra LS 2-door hatchback, black, 5-speed,
w/sunroof, tint, AMFM/cassette, air cond., cruise.  52K miles.
Very good condition.  Call 263-5307 or send mail to:
John Kupersmith lyaa060@utxvm.utexas.edu
 
 
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers
From: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Subject: Re: GM pickups called a fire risk
Reply-To: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:04:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.152934.17120@wam.umd.edu>, thorn@wam.umd.edu (Greg Thornwall) writes:
|> In USA Today, I read that  GM pickup trucks made between 1973 and 
|> 1987 have caused 10 times more fatalities than the Ford Pinto. A
|> consumer groups wants the federal government to recall 5 million GM
|> trucks (fatalities during 73-87 are estimated at 300). The pickup's
|> gas tank is susceptible to rupturing during side impacts because it
|> is mounted outside the frame of the truck.
|> 
|> --Greg

Does anyone have any stats (or know where they are) concerning recalls?
I'm under the impression that GM cars are recalled at a silly rate
(say 10 to 1 over Japanese/German cars), but I would like some stats so
as not to be discriminitory.

Don
My brain, my thoughts, my words.
If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a K-car (a nice reliant automobile),
If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a fur coat
  (but not a real fur coat, that's cruel),
If I had a million dollars, we wouldn't have to eat Kraft Dinner
  (but we would eat Kraft Dinner), of course we would, we'd just eat more. - BNL
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: andrea@carina.unm.edu (Michelle Renee Wright)
Subject: Info: How to turn off OXYGEN SENSOR light in '86 VW JETTA ??
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 23:32:04 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque



I have a friend that has a 1986 VW Jetta that has the Oxygen Sensor light on. He says it's very distracting and would like to turn it off if possible. Any recommendation or suggestions regarding this problem would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,

Andrea

andrea@carina.unm.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: mikey@fraser.sfu.ca (Mike Kai-Kan Yang)
Subject: Looking for good Lincoln wreck yard
Keywords: Used 77 Lincoln part needed
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:19:53 GMT

Hi,
	I own a 1977 Lincoln Town Coupe with a rare Sure-Track Brake System.
Its nothing more than a rear anti-lock break system with a fancy name.  But
the acutelator in the system in not working, so I need a replacement for it. 
This part is absolute from Ford.  And the local wreck yard does not have the
item either.  So I am looking for this part, and as well as informations on somegood wreck yard
that specialize in Lincolns.  There are only one wreck yard in Vancouver, who
carries used Lincoln parts.  Since it's the only major used Lincoln parts source, they behave in a very monopolistic manner.  And quite frankly I am fed up
with them.

	So if anyone has any tips that can help me out here I would be very
appreicated.

	Thanks in advance.

Mike Yang

e-mail: mikey@sfu.ca  or
	chiench@sfu.ca

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: koziarzw@lonex.rl.af.mil (Walter Koziarz)
Subject: Re: Superchargers...
Organization: RL
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 13:05:35 GMT

In article <147520015@hplsla.hp.com> genet@hplsla.hp.com (Gene Taylor) writes:

>I'm really interested in seeing more superchargers on vehicles, too.
>The turbo charger approach always seemed too complicated to be very
>reliable.  Combined with fuel injection and some of the other trick
>fuel system parts, they could do great things.

HUH?!?!? turbine-driven-supercharger (aka turbocharger) '... TOO COMPLICATED
...'?!?!?  my friend, you need to do a bit more research -- a turbocharger
is simplicity itself, it is (when properly sized) completely self regulating,
automatic feedback exists by default.  with a mechaniclly-driven supercharger
there are additional, unreliable (compared to *not* having them) drive systems.
capturing wasted energy from th estill-expanding exhaust gases is the ideal
drive system for a supercharger.

Walt K.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: disc brake question
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 06:56:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.175338.6606@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>In article <1685FABC8.R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu> R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Sep11.143346.4773@julian.uwo.ca>
>>wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>>>Has it ever occurred to anyone that you have more friction surface on
>>>shoes than on disks?
>>Since disks are more efficient the surface area need not be
>>as large.
>How about because they CAN't put larger pads on a disk system, unless
>they use larger diameter rotors!

corvette uses twin piston calipers.  those pads look pretty big to me.
you could place twin calipers on the brake, but the limiting factor is
the heat dissipation of the rotor anyway.
also, i believe the audi S4 and V8 have an unusual setup in which
the caliper is mounted inside the rotor.  this results in more swept
area without necessitating an increase in wheel diameter.

-teddy
From: curt@vtucs.cc.vt.edu (Curt Tilmes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Door Horror
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:27:26 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA
In-reply-to: fu@samichlaus.comm.mot.com's message of 9 Sep 92 22:55:49 GMT

>Forget about geometry, just think which way is more compact to pack car with
>minimum waste space in a restricted area. Obviously to pack car 
>perpendicularly. The trade-off for space is convenience, it is almost
>a no-brain operation to park in angle! Right?

I think it is more complicated than that.  Of course if you just
wanted to pack a certain number of cars in a certain area, you would
do it perpendicularly, but the problem has more specifications.. Each
car has a certain turning radius, and must be able to get into and out
of each space.  With perpendicular spaces, you need a very wide aisle
between the rows for the car to turn into the space and back out.  If
you angle the spaces, you can reduce the width of the aisle
considerably.  So while you may get 1 or 2 fewer cars in each row, you
get to add a whole extra row to your parking lot.

---------------------
|   |   |   |   |   |
|   |   |   |   |   |
|   |   |   |   |   |

                      wide aisle


|   |   |   |   |   |
|   |   |   |   |   |
|   |   |   |   |   |
---------------------

vs.

-------------------------
\    \    \    \    \    \
 \    \    \    \    \    \
  \    \    \    \    \    \

                               narrow aisle.

  /    /    /    /    /    /
 /    /    /    /    /    /
/    /    /    /    /    /
-------------------------


Also, when you make too aisles go in different directions, you can
mesh the spaces a bit

Curt
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang)
Subject: Re: BMW performance chips
Organization: D.J. Services
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 14:05:25 GMT

In article <92246.104628WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu> <WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Hello.  I was wondering if anybody here is familiar with performance chips
>  (specifically from Dinan Engineering) available for BMW 5-Series models.
>  I know there are a few different chips (in various price ranges).  Does
>  anyone have experience with these?  What would be recommended for a 1990
>  BMW 525i with automatic transmission?

Along a different vein, does anyone know of a chip for Acuras?  
Specifically a '92 Legend.  Also, has anyone seen aftermarket
performance and/or appearance items for the new body style ('91-'92)?

Thanks,
David Hwang

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 07:53:56 MDT
From: earlyd@ee.byu.edu (David Early)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: Fuel Quality - How to tell from performance?


In article <1992Sep9.170249.18916@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, chan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Vi Chi Chan) writes:
> 
> I have a question concerning the performance of different grade of gas.
> Hope that someone here can kindly give me an answer...
> 
> However, after using the Silver for a month, I can't notice any difference in
> the performance of my car (power, mpg etc.) I began to wonder if the different
> it made may not be justified for the high price of Premium gas!
> Or, will it give difference only in long term use or any kind of differences 
> internally which I can't notice!



I think it depends on your car.  I have found that for my 84 Pont Sunbird
(1.8L non-turbo EFI) the premium gas DOES make a difference.  The
car has 102,000 miles on it and we use it for long road trips.  City driving
doesn't bring out the qualities of higher octane gas, but the
difference is VERY noticible on the freeway.
> 
> Also, Which bland of gas is the best...Shell? Amoco?
> 
> 
> Billy. 

I also discovered that my car runs much, much much better when I
use Chevron gas.  The test:  we were on a trip early in the summer.  The\
car was nearly empty so I filled at Texaco.  Ran car till nearly empty again
and filled with same octane/grade Chevron.  A very obvious improvement
on the freeway!

I can't say Chevron will do this for you, but it does make a differenc in my car.

Dave Early
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike Suter)
Subject: Re: Cellular Phones....
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 18:01:40 GMT

>It is very easy to get an entery level phone for FREE or for a modest cost 
>($50-$100)

Yes, you get the phone at such low cost because it is subsidised
by the cellular carrier (you must activate the phone through them)

>But what I want to know is what the thing will cost me to operate....

>I understand that you pay a company like cellular ONE a monthly fee plus usage fees according to some pre arranged plan...  But it thst the only cost or do
>you also pay a reglar phone pbill on top of that????
>How is long distance figured out...  Is it based on where your car is when you place the call or is it based on some local point of reference......

There are usually several plans available through each carrier,
ranging from a low monthly fee ($20?) with no included air time,
to a higher monthly fee with x peak and y off-peak minutes free,
to the highest monthly fee with unlimited peak/off-peak minutes
included.

Note that air time minutes include BOTH in-coming and out-going
calls.

Many 'casual' (non-business) users get one of the middle plans
above, such as:  medium monthly fee ($30 or so) with 0 peak and
300 off-peak minutes included, figuring they would only be using
the phone after business hours.  But the carriers realized this
and extended peak hours, in some cases to 9pm!

As for the bill, you pay the monthly fee, plus a per-minute
charge (if you use more than your 'free' minutes), plus any
long distance charges.  Local calls are within the city/metro
area you are in.  If you drive to another area, (now someone,
correct me if I am wrong) you are additionally charged a daily
fee for routing calls to your car if you leave your phone on.  
Don't know how they handle local/long distance in this case.

Anyway, make sure you know what you need and what you are actually
getting.

Mike
-- 
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From: dlou@KRUSHER.UCSD.EDU (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Passive or Attack Belts
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:06:46 GMT
Reply-To: dlou@ece.ucsd.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, San Diego


In article <1992Sep8.221240.17297@viewlogic.com>, brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Sep8.150708.17048@pmafire.inel.gov>, russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> 1. What are the safety disadvantages of the motorized seat belts?
|> |> 
|> - Automatic mechanized devices are more prone to failure. 
|> - They often severely impede ingress/egress, and they are extremely annoying,
|> so people unlatch them, cut them, or otherwise deactivate them, rendering 
|> them useless.
|> - Because they are an automatic, one-size-fits-all design, they don't fit
|> anyone very precisely, so they don't protect you nearly as well as a good
|> manual belt.  
|> - Because so many motorized designs operate only on the shoulder belt, most
|> non-belt users will not fasten the lap belt, leaving them with little or
|> no protection.
|> 
|> |> 2. Is there any trend in the direction of eliminating them?
|> |> 
|> Unfortunately, no.
|> 

Here's a simple solution: Just have 20/20 or 60 minutes to a segment on it!

Unfortunately, they'd probably praise them rather than comdemn them.

-- 
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dlou@ucsd.edu          || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com (Vikas Sontakke)
Subject: Re: Sho has enuff problems...
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:51:13 GMT


In article <3637@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes...

>	Maybe next time I'll buy a Honda...
>									wr

We already have few owners bitching about their Hondas.  What we _really_ need
is a Saturn owner hating his car :-)

Just imagine the advertisement it will make for Saturn if wharfie manages to
drive it without any incident for next 100K.  Or if that does not work out, at
least we will have some ammunation against countless Saturn-"born again
religious crusaders"-owners chanting their mantras :-)

Vikas Sontakke		Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA.
Internet:		sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com
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