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From: dsreddy@paul.rutgers.edu (Sunil R Dattapuram)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Article for Adil Shaikh (Re: UN map of India)
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:29:46 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



Your original posting:

From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:47:03 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong


>Really! I am very surprised. Whoever apologised for the UN should
>have been fired on the spot because he was breaching 3 UN resolutions
>and international law which is that Kashmir IS desputed terratory and
>should be decided by Kashmiris in a referendum

>: 
>: Source : "The Hindu" International Edition Newspaper


>If such a Standard Newspaper gives the news then there must be some truth
>in the content.

>Mr. Kumar would you please type the news from the Hindu newspaper, so that 
>we come to know the right content.

>Bye
>Adil

Hi Adil Shaikh:

Here is the article I lifted from misc.news.southasia for your perusal.

Subject: U.N Official apologises for publishing incorrect map of India
From: gnreddy@cbnewsf.att.com (G.Narotham Reddy)
Newsgroups: misc.news.southasia
Date: 14 Nov 92 02:25:08 GMT
Organization: AT&T


Source   : The Hindu, November 7, 1992
Country  : India

                          * * * * *

* U.N Official apologises for publishing incorrect map of India

United Nations: Oct 26 - A United Nations official has apologised for his
department's failure to properly reproduce India's map in one of its recent
publications. The publication in question is a report titled "Integrating
Development and Population Planning in India," brought about by the
U.N Department of Economic and Social Development in New York late in
July.
	As one Indian diplomat puts it, the report incorrectly depicted India's
international boundary in the region of the state of Jammu and Kashmir
as well as in the northeast. Both on its cover and on an inside page,
the report carried an incomplete map of India leaving out part of Jammu and
Kashmir in the north east. 
	The distortion caused an uproar in the Indian Parliament. At the U.N
headquarters in New York, the Indian delegate Mr.T.P.Srinivasan took up the
matter with the Under Secretary General Mr.Ji Chaozhu, who is head of the
department which published the report. Mr.Srinivasan pointed out that
standard descriptive map, which is normally used by the U.N in its official
publication, should be the basis in any depiction of India's international
boundary in U.N. publications.
	Mr.Ji wrote back apologising for this error. 
According to correspondence made available to UNI by UN officials, it said
he had taken appropriate corrective actions.

                                  * E N D *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rr2@cec1.wustl.edu (Rajamiyer Ravichandran)
Subject: Re: Lower Castes WIN
Keywords: Mandal Commission
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:16:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.174646.24628@njitgw.njit.edu> deepak@konark.njit.edu (Albatross) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.235006.7101@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU> kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes:
>>
>>LOWER CASTES WIN
>>----------------
>>New Delhi, India 
>
>Who or what is a Lower Caste?
>What are the requirements for one to be considered part of this 'Lower Caste'?
>Can a person from a 'Higher Caste' convert himself to 'Lower Caste'?
>
>Gosh, its right, "If you cant lick'em join'em"
>
>--

	It is possible to convert oneself from "upper caste" to
"lower caste". All you need is to get a certificate from the 
Thaluk office where one is born. I had some classmates in
engineering college who had gone through this route and bragged
about it. It will cost some money to buy that certificate.
From: toora@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: test
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:12:52 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia

this is just a test!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: murthy@infonode.ingr.com (Sunil Murthy)
Subject: Anyone travelling LH Bombay-Frankfurt-Atlanta Dec 11th ?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:15:48 GMT


If you know anyone travelling Bombay-Frankfurt-Atlanta (or B'bay-Frankfurt-*)
on Dec 11th by Lufthansa, could you reply to me at
sunil@nasik.b30.ingr.com ? We are looking for someone to accompany my
mother-in-law.

Thanks in advance.

Sunil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko)
Subject: Re: Excluding men
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:21:40 GMT

uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:


>does the indian-women mailing list mean that the sci football field is now
>safe for the rampaging MCPs and their jokes...  I got a couple of MCP jokes,
>but held back seeing that the ladies onthe net dont like it at all...

 
There are a number of interesting assumptions here, one being
that all the men who read s.c.i revel in MCP jokes. No doubt
some do, but judging from other posts and email, a significant
proportion of the men who read this newsgroup don't appreciate
the flood of puerile humour, sarcastic one-liners, or pointless
followups to which s.c.i is subjected.

Speaking for myself, I find 'MCP jokes' an adolescent and
defensive form of humour better suited to the 8th grade, but 
women are not a mass of uniform thinkers, and I wouldn't presume 
to speak for anyone else.

>but held back seeing that the ladies onthe net dont like it at all...

It's up to each poster to decide whether to follow the crowd
(which right now is going through one of s.c.i's periodic
low points) or whether to attempt a more reasonable post.
A poster is restrained not by the supposed disapproval of 
anyone else, but by his or her own sense of what's appropriate. 
Thus, if you've heard an MCP joke that you think is the high
point of humor, it's entirely your decision whether to post it
on this newsgroup or the more obvious rec.humor.

Susan.
--
---
Mail from this account is forwarded to susanc@helix.nih.gov


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
Subject: Re: INDIAN CULTURE - Subservient
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 17:08:59 GMT

<RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

>   You are quite right on one score.

Does that mean I am wrong on every other score :-)  Oh, well.

>- but one needs to distinguish between
>culture and country.  There is nothing to prevent Indian-Americans from
>appreciating and preserving their culture, though you are quite right
>that that will make no direct contribution to the peasants of Rajasthan.

Actually to go off on a tangent here.  What you say above is exactly
what I have been confused about for a long time.  When a foreigner asks
an Indian, what is Indian music, he plays him Ravi Shankar, Bismillah
Khan and all the rest.  When the same foreigner goes to India all he
hears is the songs of Ashiqui, QSQT, etc.  In the same way is it right
to call something part of Indian culture when it is not even known to
the majority of Indians, much less practised by them.  To say that the 
culture of a small minority is the culture of the entire race is tantamount 
to denying the existence of the majority.

Sanjoy Ghosh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: HOW WE TIP IN RESTAURANTS
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:17:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.155711.1125@b30.ingr.com> dreddy@b30.ingr.com (Devender Reddy) writes:
>Hi Netters,
>
>Recently my friend was waiting on some Indians. My friend told the manager
>that he does not want to wait on these people, but he was forced to.They were 
>a group of 7. They had drinks and food. The bill was about $130 and these 
>people tipped him $4.00. He was really  mad and told them to take the  
>money back and he does not need it. And guess what the reply was. They said 
>that it was a lot of money and they converted the 4 dollars and said that 
>120 rupees is a lot of money back home.
>

While it was rude of these people to convert dollars into rupees and tell
your friend the amount they are paying him, I find the demanding attitude 
of your friend as most unproffesional. In India, the tip amount normally 
does not go higher than 5 % unlike the 15 % here.  But most Desis who come 
here are not aware of this. Infact, I have never seen any desis tipping the 
pizza delivery boy either. 

regards,
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From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Doki & his posts
Date: 20 Nov 1992 19:49:52 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu
Keywords: Sissy who posted to doki's SYS/ADMIN !

(Raghunandan Naik) writes:

>Directed to The Person who sent mail to sdoki's SYS/ADMIN!
>Hey Buddy,
>Go get a job and learn to deal with posts like doki's.  If you can't
>handle them, then DON'T READ THEM. Stop comlaining and learn to deal 
>with life !!
>Next time, instead of sending mail to someone's sys-admin, spend that
>time seeing a psychiatrist in order to improve your self esteem.
>Jeeeez
>-raghu



thanx a ton dooode!


suresh


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From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: HOW WE TIP IN RESTAURANTS
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:13:58 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In the bliss of his ignorance (Jayaraman Anand) blabbers:

>	Oh ! I was under this crazy impression that waiters hung around
>	in restaurants for hula dancing.

>J Anand.

excuse me but what your problem is?? [tm]

suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Subject: I yam what I yam
Keywords: INDIAN CULTURE - Radically Racist
Reply-To: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre, Munich
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:42:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.101406.16440@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth) writes:
>
>Categorization is prejudice. Why should we think of people as
>whites, blacks, shuudras and brahmins ? Show me a person who
>says "I am a brahmin" and I will show you a person blinded by
>prejudice. 

A week or so back I read about the passing away of an very well known Kannada
poet, Gopalakrishna Adiga.  He was a friend of my father, and I have fond
recollections of a superb meal at his house where I ate so much (quite
shamelessly, as the old Kannada-English joke goes) that I couldn't get up.
The Kannada literary scene has lost an eminent figure.

Some years ago Shri Adiga, who was always considered a mild-mannered and
liberal person, publicly announced that his politics had sharply swung
rightward (fine, that's a personal decision) and also came out strongly
asserting his Brahminism and championing Brahmin rights.   This quite shocked
many of his friends, my father included.  Dr Shivarama Karanth, I believe,
was also quite distressed by this.  In a public address, though he didn't
refer to Adiga on the one hand, and the large group of writers calling their
writing Dalit literature on the other, he gave a characteristic admonition
to those wearing their caste on their literary sleeves.  "Naanu Brahmana",
(I am a Brahmin) he began, and described how that might have affected his
upbringing, but proceeded to attack the relevance and the ideas of caste, and
people linking their social activities and personal achievements to caste
identity.  So, here was a great writer saying "I am a Brahmin" but for
the purposes of curing the blindness of caste prejudice.

Regards,
Sanjiva
--
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European Computer Industry Research Centre		Off: +49 89 92 69 91 58
Arabellastrasse 17					Fax: +49 89 92 69 91 70
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: INDIAN CULTURE - subservient?
From: <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 14:14:05 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

-From: udumudi@vanilla (u v babu srinivas)
-
-we need not give up our material life, but it can take a secondary
-position in our lives. we need to attain what the west has, we need
-to get affluent, we need to make sure that everyone gets at least
-their daily meals, but giving up the 'spirituality' is not the
-way it should be done.
-
     I am not sure that the rest of the world CAN attain, say the US
standard of living without wrecking the planet.  I find the explanation
of unhappiness in terms of money quite unconvincing.  Not having enough
to eat can be painful, as can lack of shelter from weather or lack of
medical attantion when one is sick.  But the majority, even in India,
have it.  Of course India HAS people without food but they are no longer
a majority.  The standard of living in Harlem is higher than that in India,
even in the prosperous states and the standard of living in Germany is
higher still.  But that dose not seem to induce peaceful behaviour in
these two places.  The rate of rape in India is 3% of the US rate and
is probably lower than the rate for whites in the US.

     Bernard Shaw says somewhere that you cannot preach religion to the
hungry.  (Actually he says it in `Major Barbara').  So the salvation army
goes around with a loaf of bread in one hand and a Bible in the other.
Eventually, the Bible is dropped and you have, a loaf of bread in one hand
and a box of condoms in the other!!  Even Omar Khayyam did not ask for
condoms!!  He asked for a loaf of bread, a jug of wine, and a `thou
beside me, singing in the wilderness'.  That would make wilderness a
paradise. :-)

     The Buddha did not preach self-mortification, he preached the middle way.
But we passed the middle looong ago.  It is time to think of more basic values.

Rohit Parikh
From: towfiq@justice.UUCP (Mark Towfiq)
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:27:49
Organization: Towfiq System
In-reply-to: chemsn@emory.edu's message of 20 Nov 92 01:25:02 GMT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: MALCOLM X: A TRUE REVOLUTIONIST (was: MOLCOM X...)
X-Mailer: GNU Emacs 18.58 with RMAIL and Supercite 2.2
Distribution: world

>>>>> On 20 Nov 92 01:25:02 GMT, chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) said:

sn> Without going into details, let me briefly state that its not
sn> number "ten", but "Ex".

  You are right that it is not a number, but his last name really is
the letter "X".

sn> Molcom Little wanted to shed his last name, 'cze it showed to the
sn> world that he was "little" (to whites).  He changed his name to
sn> "Molcom Ex", symbolizing, Ex-smoker, Ex-drug peddler,
sn> Ex-everything.  For more details, either read his autobiography(as
sn> told to Mr Healey OR watch Spike Lee's recent movie)

  I am very confused about this paragraph -- reading Malcolm X's
autobiography (assisted by Alex Haley), one learns that the "X" in his
last name stands for the fact that his ancestors are unknown, many of
them having been brought here against their will from Africa and
having their real names taken away.  At that time, many members of the
Nation of Islam changed their last names to "X".

  I am going to see the movie tomorrow night, but I presume if it
explains this idea it gives basically the same background for
Malcolm's name.

  Regards,
  Mark
--
Mark Towfiq				towfiq%justice@eingedi.newton.ma.us

"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens" -- Baha'u'llah

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:37125 soc.culture.indian:37126
From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,wpi.students.desis,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: war of words
Date: 15 Nov 1992 22:40:42 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

The born again american ravi@cs.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:

>|> hey chill it doode chill it.........

>	at the cost of invoking your almighty wrath i suggest that
>	you try the more popular version of the above americanism:
>	chill out dude!

YO! take it easy......... it is chill it as is cwool it......

suresh
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From: rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Address of companies in Singapore
Date: 20 Nov 1992 19:31:00 GMT
Followup-To: poster



Hi,


Looking for addresses of software companies and semiconductor companies in
Singapore.


Thank you,


Arathi



-- 
In Life, Nothing is Bad as you Fear,
And Nothing as Good as you Hope.
		
			- Gallic saying
From: guptar@ucs.orst.edu (Rakesh Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: travel survey
Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:14:08 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hi

Someone, Please send me travel survey

thank you very much

rakesh gupta
GUPTAR@UCS.ORST.EDU
From: higa@lclark.edu (Keith Higa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: [mon-dono] Re: an appeal to help poor children in india
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:32:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov23.033209.26956
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Nov22.220741.11027@leland.Stanford.EDU> chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:
>
>     Por respondi al la afis^o de Basu *Mukherjee* (:basu muh^erg^e?),
>mi tutu ne sendos monon al Hindio.  Mi nur sendos al C^inio (enkluzive
>de la C^ina Grandtero, Tajvano, Honkongo kaj Makavo (Makano? Makau'o?).
>
>					*Zhong* Qi-Iao, C^ino en Usono

Oh, Daniel, you really want to start flamewars coming to s.c.e, don't you?

In consideration for those who don't know Esperanto, translation follows:

	In response to the post by Basu Mukherjee, I will not send any
money at all to India.  I will only send (money) to China (including
mainland China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau).

Sorry for the inconvenience.

-- 
Keith K. Higa                         Lewis & Clark College    
higa@lclark.edu                       Portland, OR, USA
In a hierarchy each member tends to rise to his/her level of incompetence.
                                 --The Peter Principle
From: srik@cs.arizona.edu (Srikanth Raghavan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: arathi,allah,srik
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:11:19 GMT

In article <1erhbbINNh1v@phakt.usc.edu>, fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
# 
# In article <26966@optima.cs.arizona.edu> srik@cs.arizona.edu (Srikanth Raghavan) writes:
# >In article <2088@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca#, rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            ) writes:
# ># In article <26933@optima.cs.arizona.edu# srik@cs.arizona.edu (Srikanth Raghavan) writes:
# ># #Allah speaketh :
# ># #
# ># #Fear not my child!, the reason for your confusion is feminism.
# ># #
# ># #Me to Allah :
# ># #  * Allah, allah, feminism, Dokism, Gluh, glah.. aaumaau...*

	Crooked Fafat!! Don't edit my posts.

# ># 
# ># Hope this helps you see the world *even* better.
# >
# >Me To Allah :
# >Allah to me :
# >if Confused == "YES"  Ask Allah to  help you.
# ># 
# ># Arathi.
# >
# >	-srik
# ># -- 
# 
# 
# 	Haaaaalppppp!! Hey Allah, forget Srik. Now *I* am confused with all
					          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Another one bites the dust!

	
# 	this cross talk between a confused feminist and a cownfirmed
# 	feminazi :) Send Rebecca West to me to help me out. And while you're
# 	at it, playing omnipotent and all that, why don't you complete my
# 	QM assignment and also send a bolt on Doki? Or are you going to 
        ^^^^              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	what on earth is that??????????

	Leave me outta this Doki baiting business.

# 	proclaim that you and Doki are same to same, a la Rebecca??
						     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Now I have forgotten what Rebecca West said, already! :-)

	By the by, ever read "Rebecca" by Daphne du Maurier. Nice book!


# 
# 	FFT

	-srik
From: prasad@cis.ksu.edu (Baba C Prasad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Request for Indian English Riddles
Date: 16 Nov 1992 00:13:59 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.cis.ksu.edu


Hi:
	I am posting this on behalf of my wife who's a PhD student
at UPenn. She's working on a paper on bilingual humorous riddles 
in the Indian context. Consider for example, the following riddles:

Q: What did one pea say to the other?
A: Mutter, mutter.

Q: What did one banana say to the other?
A: Please marry me because I'm akela.

If you know of similar riddles which use bilingual words (even 
though they may not fit the above pattern), please send them to me 
by e-mail. The Indian language need not be only Hindi, it could be 
any Indian langauge. If you can send a copy of your e-mail to
lprasad@pennsas.upenn.edu, it'll be great. The e-mail system at
Penn is being changed, and for a period, we are not sure we'll 
receive all e-mail messages. Thank you in advance.

--baba prasad

--baba prasad.

-- 
--prasad

---------------------------------------------------
Baba Prasad
From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: INDIAN CULTURE - Subservient
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:59:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: csrd.1992Nov16.175922.1308
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL

<rIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

>However, the vitality of the Indian community in the US is a good sign.

Do you mean like the vitality of the middle-class blacks who left the
ghettoes after the Civil Rights movement was a good sign for Blacks 
in general?  I think India is getting more and more polarised.  The 
differences between those make it by virtue of being at the right place
at the right time, and those who don't is increasing.  As long as America 
continues to be a magnet to desis, and the vitality of the desi community 
increases that magnetic pull, things are unlikely to change.  This is 
in contrast to other Asian communities where there is a push away from 
America which has led in some part to their astounding success at home.

>And we
>can recover once more the great creativity of the Indian mind.

You mean the Indian-American mind.  How is your accomplishments here
enriching the minds of the peasants of Rajasthan.  Would love to be
corrected on this.

Sanjoy Ghosh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil