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From: JBOWER@acc.haverford.edu
Subject: random phishy stuff
Reply-To: JBOWER@acc.haverford.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:44:04 GMT

Wow, I have a lot to say today...
First, much to my dismay, when I went down to the Keswick box office this
morning, ticket sales had been postponed to next Friday (10/23). So, I guess
anyone wanting Keswick tickets will have to wait another week.:-(

Next, last night I saw a great show at Boomers in Reading, PA (you know, the
shopping capital of the world).  The show was Dead Ringers.  For those of you
who don't know what this is, it is basically Kingfish with Dave Nelson (the guy
who guest appeared on American Beauty and Workingman's Dead) and Tom Constanten
the guy who was the keyboardist who left the band alive.  They were great- they played mostly Dead songs.  Now, for those of you who are wondering why I am 
posting this on the Phish.net, it is this:  They played, at one point, a 
Kingfish song called Jump For Joy (I don't know if anyone here is familiar
with it) whose chords and bass line sounded EXACTLY like Horn.  Roll Away Brad,
who was also there, thought the same thing.  I don't know what to think, first
the Possum (or Oh! Possum, for those fundamentalists out there)/Mystery Train
scandal and now this.  Is it possible that there is actually more Dead 
related influence in the band than they want to admit?  After all, Horn is
a *relatively* new song...

Next, is my cute Phish story for the summer.  This summer, I went to many 
concerts with my brother (who, while he's heard a little Phish, he's more
of a classic rock fan), including CSN/Michael Hedges, Peter Frampton, Phish/
Santana, Dead/Steve Miller (2nd night Giants), and the Allman Brothers.  Out 
of all of these shows, the only song I actually saw him get up and dance for
was Reba.  Well, the point of the story is, while he'll never admit how much
he actually enjoyed the show (and this was just a 40 min set!), when I told
him about Keswick, he immediately got a big smile on his face and gave me money
to buy him a ticket.  I think we may have a budding Glide on our hands.  Sorry
to bore those of you who don't like cutesy stories...

Finally, here is my official tape grovel.  I need my first show, Haverford 
College 2/26/90.  I didn't know anyhting about the band when I went to it, but
the show completely blew me away.  I was particularly impressed by the song 
called *Whashufecit Drimeetofurenda*.  Anyway, I know that tapes exist because
about a year ago I amazingly (actually, incredibly) got a Dead tape with about
15 mins. of filler of this Phish show!!!!!  Unfortunately, I wasn't able to 
trace the filler back to the source, so if anyone has this show, please let me
know.  I am also looking for live tapes of New Potato Caboose, Widespred, 
Allmans, Solar Circus, and ARU.  If anyone is interested and can help me, I
have about 75 hrs of Phish, 320 hrs of Dead, and 60 or so hrs of other stuff
to trade. 

Thanks a lot,
John

reply to jbower@acc.haverford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Jeff Althoff <jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Cap. Th. Ticket Experience
Reply-To: jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:08:09 GMT

Hi Everyone!
Well, I just got back from my local TM (TB ?) outlet, and
it was kind of an odd outcome. They were giving out bracelets
for Bruce Springsteen, so they moved the Phish on sale time
to 12:30. The folks at the video store are really nice, they 
let us hang out inside and wait. They were trying to get tickets
for the Dylan tribute thing at MSG tonight -- 2 tickets actually
came up, but someone else grabbed 'em before they had a chance. 

I called the Capitol box office and they were delaying the sale time
to 12:30 also.

Anyhow, the guy manages to call up Phish at the Capitol *just* as
it went on sale, like within 10 seconds. I got Orchestra center,
row H for Friday, row O for Saturday. Good seats to be sure, and last
time the Capitol didn't enforce seating at all (it was de facto
general admission despite the seats marked on the tickets), but 
I'm curious as to whether they really sold that many tickets that
quickly -- it seems unlikely, but maybe Phish's popularity is really
exploding. The other possibility is that they hold some of the
front rows for someone, and they sell them later only if that person
turns out not to want them. Ed Lee, if you're reading this, when did
you get those tickets for last time, relative to the on sale date?

Anyhow, I got the tickets, I'm pleased. :) :) :) Hopefully I'll see
some of you there. 

Jeff.

"I saw you! with a ticketstub in your hand..."
-- 
--------------------------------------------
Jeff Althoff    jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu
From: brucew@phaeton.ee.cornell.edu (Bruce Willner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: re: Recording Shows
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:33:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Oct15.203350.23925
Reply-To: brucew@phaeton.ee.cornell.edu
Organization: The Internet


There has been some talk about taping equipment lately on the net.
I am looking into taping shows and I would like to see this 
information and discussion continue.  I know I'm not the only
one out there.  So, I ask those who know about taping equipment
and taping in general to continue posting.

For anyone who's interested in this stuff but missed some of the
discussion, I am compiling a reasonably complete collection of
what has been said on the topic.  If you are interested in this
collection of postings, email me and I'll send it to you.


Bruce
<brucew@ee.cornell.edu>
From: shell@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Shelly Culbertson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: And in the audience...
Date: 8 Oct 1992 04:20:31 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.berkeley.edu


In article <1992Oct7.151544.12493@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> SECASWELL@vaxsar.vassar.edu writes:
>
>I really hope my phisher-phriends can help me to track a tape for a long-time
>phish phan.  This past summer, I was in Alaska (in the town of Kenai to be
>specific) and when I pulled over to the side of the road to gather my bearings
>(not Bering), I was spotted by a phellow in a white van with phish stickers 
>abound.  He introduced himself as Dan Talbot....
[......] 
>Anyway- the reason for this post is to try and find a tape for Dan.  He thinks 
>the show was in Olympia, Washington in March or April of 1992.  The cool 
>thing is when Fishman is introducing the band (I assume during Cracklin Rosie)
>he says:
>	"On bass... Mike Gordon"
>	"On Keys...Page McConnell"
>	"On Drums...Trey Anastasio"
>and finally...
>	"In the audience... Dan!!!"

I know Dan...and I remember that particular moment in Olympia (4/25/92).
The look on Dan's face was priceless! :-) 

I don't have that tape, unfortunately, but I hope it's located so that
Dan can have a copy; he really should!

Shelly

ps. Seth - could you let me know by email how to get in touch with
Dan?  Thanks!

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "ALEK GRABINSKI, 765-2151, VERTICAL FURNACE PGM MGR" <AGRABINSKI@sc9.intel.com>
Subject: 7/23/88 Underhill contd.
Reply-To: AGRABINSKI@sc9.intel.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:08:24 GMT

Heyo -

This was my first Phish tape as well and the more I think about it, the 
more I have to believe that it's a compilation made by someone as an 
example of what Phish is.  At least half is off Junta, and at least half 
of the other half (that's 25% for those of you without slide rules) is 
covers, which is one way a lot of people (myself included) evaluate a 
band - by song choice and quality of the cover.  Anyway, I have moved 
this tape out of the chronological section of my collection and put it 
in with other "non-timestamped" material (Junta, Elektra Demo) - 
besides, I don't think the HPB lists 7/23/88 as a show...

The miscue in Bundle of Joy was listed as a tipoff that the Underhill 
tape also had non-live material on it.  This is one of my favorite ways 
to distinguish songs or sets; my second Phish tape, which unfortunately 
has passed on to the Great Beyond, had my favorite Lizards, during which 
Trey sings "...forgetting that his suit of arms would surely weigh him down 
and so he sunk" and then starts laughing as he continues "and as his 
body disappeared before me" - lending credence to the earlier statement 
that lizards were indeed doing things smart people don't do...

And as a final aside: Is Rutherford the Brave always saved by the Unit 
Monster?  I thought when he went down he went down, but according to the 
3/12/88 Gamehenge he is saved by Tela.  Should I reread the lyrics file, 
or does the Gamehenge saga, as well as the order in which events occur, 
subject to change?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Alek


Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "David A. Craig" <dac@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu>
Subject: discipline?
Reply-To: dac@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:08:01 GMT


i've gotten some trey friendly messages regarding trading, which i much
appreciate.  but noone has stepped forward to trade old tapes of phish
doing crimson's discipline.  somebody help me!  thanks!
From: BORCHECN@LEMOYNE
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: new subscriber
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:57:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Oct15.155744.5531
Reply-To: BORCHECN@LEMOYNE
Organization: The Internet

Please add me to the digestified list.  My e-mail address is:

borchecn@lemoyne.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: vandal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Levan Frederick Hiemke)
Subject: Re: Ticket-scalper-bastards-from-hell-who-should-all-die-a-VERY-slow-and-painful-death!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 19:19:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.134003.10344@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com writes:
>
>John,
>
>The only Ticket-slime number in the (607) area code is in Binghamton.
>Their number is:  (607) 722-7272   The scum don't even have an 800 number!
>
>If you're not up for paying 50% legalized scalping fees, call the Cornell
>...
>
>- jeff-TicketMaster-MUST-BE-STOPPED!-maggard

I've been wondering about these ticket "services" myself lately.  What is
the competitive barrier to entering this market that allows them to rape
the public as they do?  Why can't you or I move in and undercut them?

Any insights here?  Are there any regulatory barriers?  Or do they just
have a well-established relationship with the production companies?

- van-TicketMaster-MUST-BE-UNDERCUT-hiemke
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: grateful@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sirna)
Subject: Re: recording shows
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:56:29 GMT

Another thing that the D-5 does that the D-6 and I thin most Marantz decks don't do is send the signal through when you hold down the record button.

You may say who cares? But the guy next in line and al the way down the line ofdecks does.  On these other decks if you flip early or whatever you cut the signal to the other decks.  With the D-5 youi can avoid that problem. (if you hold
down the button while flipping tapes as so many people don't :( )

Again you say so what it will only affect other peoples tapes and not mine.

Well that's pretty self centered and untrue unless you have your own mics.  If you are p[atching into someone else and have a D-6 or marantz you will 
invariably be put at the end of the line by D-5 tapers. You are thus more
 likely to encounter probelms with patch cords etc in front of you.  

My recommendation is spend the xtra cash and get the d-5 (unless you have the money to spend more than $14 per show for Dat tapes , then buy a dat player)

Tony

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "Rich Fromm - 'Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.'  09-Oct-1992 0949" <fromm@rock.enet.dec.com>
Subject: headphones
Reply-To: fromm@rock.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:50:11 GMT

anybody have any advice on headphones?; i want a good pair of headphones for 
multiple purposes; primarily i want to be able to plug them into my keyboard so 
that i don't disturb others if they're asleep; i also want them for adjusting 
levels during recording, general listening if i don't want to disturb others, 
and improved sound from my walkman; i obviously am looking for good sound 
quality, but i'm also looking for very good physical construction of the 
headphones; i want something that's going to last, something that's very 
comfortable (padded ear pieces that will still feel comfortable even after being 
worn for extended perioods of time), and something that blocks out a decent 
amount of outside background noise; any suggestions?  i'm looking to spend 
roughly $50-$100, but price isn't my primary concern

/rich
From: jstraw@well.sf.ca.us (Michael Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: a phingerling's ravings
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:26:36 GMT
Reply-To: jstraw@well.sf.ca.us
Organization: The Internet

Hello,

I'm a new guy who's never seen a Phish show, who's only heard PON and
tapes of two shows.

I'm looking for digital boards, I have about 400 DAT hours of mainly Dead to
trade.

Is Phish likely to be in the midwest again anytime in the forseeable?

Is there a source for set lists?

-Michael Newman
 jstraw@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: MH1406@student.law.duke.edu
Subject: energyguide
Reply-To: MH1406@student.law.duke.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:54:36 GMT

Hmmmm . . . this is an interesting topic.  I have this one tape,
labelled 8/6/88 (I believe) and allegedly is from Telluride,
Colorado.  I haven't read the stories file, so I am uncertain if
there is confirmation that they actually were that far west in 88,
but . . . on that tape is a Cities that has the King Crimson
screaming sounds that makes one imagine the song Discipline.  I had
always assumed that the band was indeed covering, or at least
mimicking, Crimson at that point.  Now I'm told it's Dave's
Energyguide, and that's fine alright with me.  But I'm also told that
one exists on 12/28/90, a tape that I have and have listened to many
a time.  And I don't recall anything on that tape that sounds
familiar to the musical passages from the Telluride tape.  Gonna have
to listen to both tapes again and see what we're talking about. . . .
Matt Heller

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: rstern@col.hp.com (Richard Stern)
Subject: Re: Helping Phriendly Book
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:55:47 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

jamie@access.digex.com (James Treworgy) writes:
> is handling that now, but would it be possible to post a summary of just
> the dates and locations of all shows that are currently in the book?? That

This is up to Shelly, who's handling the HPB for now.

> Anyway a round of applause is in order to everyone who has been and is
> currently involved with the book... thankless work, nacht!

Just so folks know the history of the HPB:

  It was started by John Friedman and myself when the phish mailing list
  started.  Matt Laurence (sp?) deserves credit for starting the mailing
  list, btw.  At the start, there was only about 10-15 of us, so it was
  easy to have everyone send us the setlists from all their tapes, and
  the HPB book was born.  At the time we called it PhishBase, but the
  name has been changed to HPB to get away from the Dead theme and
  enhance it's phishiness.

  John and I have managed the book for the past year+, but we've recently
  become overwhelmed by the task and haven't had the time to keep it
  up to date.  We're sorry to those folks who had been hoping for more
  timely updates.  Shelly has recently asked us if she could take over
  the book, and we gladly agreed.  We are in the process of mailing her
  the most recent copies, and all the random files of setlists that folks
  have mailed us over time.  I'm sure she'll get it all in order and have
  some updates for public viewing soon (right, shelly? :-)).

  Those of us involved need to thank all of you who have contributed
  setlists/dates/etc.  Without your help, it would be a very small file.

Phish on,
Richard Stern
rstern@col.hp.com
From: shell@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Shelly Culbertson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Helping Phriendly Book
Date: 11 Oct 1992 00:59:35 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct8.195547.28394@col.hp.com> rstern@col.hp.com (Richard Stern) writes:
>jamie@access.digex.com (James Treworgy) writes:
>> is handling that now, but would it be possible to post a summary of just
>> the dates and locations of all shows that are currently in the book?? That
>
>This is up to Shelly, who's handling the HPB for now.
>I'm sure she'll get it all in order and have
>some updates for public viewing soon (right, shelly? :-)).
>
I'm certainly glad you put that smiley there, Richard...;-).  Yes, this
project has grown some since the time when there were 10 of us on the net,
but I *did* volunteer for this, and I have indeed been working on it.  So
here's a progress report:  over the past nine months John Friedman 
conscientiously saved all posts containing historical setlist data to a
couple of text files; what I am now doing is sorting that data to put it
in chronological order and then check it against the most recent copy of
the HPB file and incorporate it as appropriate.  The reason that this is 
taking so long is that the amount of data involved is almost a megabyte of
text!  (That includes John's files and some that I've been saving as well.)

Until that has been sorted out and added, it would be pointless for folks
to send me info from tapes that don't appear in the 1/30/92 HPB, because
there's a good possibility that the info has already been posted and is
just waiting to be added.  What I would like to do, with folks' approval,
is this:  when I'm done sorting and adding, I'll post the file for each
year (smaller chunks starting with 1990, probably) and at that point take
additions for each particular time period.  Ok?  I really am working on
it, there's just a lot to do!  Of course, this is a project which is meant
to involve and benefit all of us, so if anyone has other ideas about how
it should be handled, please do feel free to post them.  (Also, if I'm a
little slow returning email these days, this project is one of the reasons.)


>  Those of us involved need to thank all of you who have contributed
>  setlists/dates/etc.  Without your help, it would be a very small file.

What Richard said! 

>Phish on,
>Richard Stern
>rstern@col.hp.com

Shelly

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: grateful@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sirna)
Subject: Re: Story
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:24:33 GMT

>The first set was quite good.  The highlight was probabally Page
playing the Andy Griffith Theme during the Antelope intro. 

I've also noticed "The Lion Sleeps tonight" and "Linus and Lucy" (peanuts
song) played during antelope. Does anyone know of others that they've played.

maybe we can compile a list of dates and antelope intro teases.

12-31-91	Worston, MA	Lion Sleeps
4-19-92		Stanford, CA	Linus and Lucy
.....


"I was once a Lizard too..."
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Jeff Maggard 16-Oct-1992 1039 <maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Tim McGrath, I owe you money!
Reply-To: maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:48:24 GMT


PERSONAL TO TIM McGRATH!        (sorry for the extra BW folks!)

I still owe you money for tapes you made me long, long, ago.
Once again, I've managed to lose your addresses (e-mail and snail-mail).
Please send mail to: 'maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com' and I'll send you a check
for the money I owe + interest.

OPC -- they are very nice Phish tapes!

- jeff-who-feels-a-bit-more-relieved-for-admitting-his-lameness-but-still-
feels-really-guilty-about-the-whole-thing-and-promises-in-front-of-God-and-
all-the-Phish.net-that-it-will-"Never happen again.  Never, never ever."

8-}
From: grega@sco.com (Greg Argyle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: ARU at the Cat
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:18:59 GMT
Reply-To: grega@sco.com
Organization: The Internet

Just in!  Col. Bruce Hampton and the Aquarium Rescue Unit will play
here in Santa Cruz at the Catalyst on Novermber 5 for only $1!

I am excited to check these guys out.  I have never heard any of
their music.  The Catalyst (for those who don't know) is a killer
place to see a show.  It is an old bowling alley converted into a
bar.  The stage is where the pins used to be and the place holds about
800 or so people. 

Every Thursday is dollar night and it is a good chance to see some
killer bands for cheap.  I think Phish might of played dollar night
there first time here but I am not sure.  Anyone know? 

How about a net.gathering for those who will attend?  I suggest the
Seabright Brewery.  It would be nice to meet some of the nice folks
on the net.

grega 
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: koverber@img.ulowell.edu (Kurt Overberg)
Subject: Fall Tour Dates...
Organization: /usr/ug/1992/koverber/.organization
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:01:16 GMT


Hello, 

	Could someone please email me the Fall tour dates?  I 
thought I had saved them when they were posted before, but 
I apparently didn't.  :(  
	Also, I don't remember seeing any Mass or New Hampshire
dates on the Fall tour.  Any one know why?  I'm bummed that I
might have to drive >= 4 hours to see them, as it looks like 
the closest place might be St. Mike's in Vermont.  Does anyone
know if this show is open to the public?  How can I get tickets?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!


					-kurt

ps - please use koverber@cs.ulowell.edu for email.  Tboot!

  
--
Kurt Overberg            | Opinions expressed here are MINE!           
U of Mass, Lowell        | "The nice thing about standards is that       
koverber@cs.ulowell.edu  |  there are so many to choose from." - A. Tanenbaum
From: davef@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Dave Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Cap. Th. Ticket Experience
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:33:50 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Jeff Althoff) writes:
>I'm curious as to whether they really sold that many tickets that
>quickly -- it seems unlikely, but maybe Phish's popularity is really
>exploding.

As of 5 PM, both Cap shows were sold out!
Imagine that.
.
.
-- 
Dave Fischer    davef@gandalf.rutgers.edu
"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell"
                                               - Edward Abbey
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: grateful@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sirna)
Subject: Re: Recording shows
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 02:47:54 GMT

In article <73232@apple.Apple.COM> bing@Apple.COM (Christopher R. Bingham) writes:

>
>The de facto standard deck for tapers is the Sony D-5 or D-6.  The D-5 is
>larger than walkman size and very rugged (it's frequently used by reporters,
>biologists, etc. for making field recordings).  Unfortunately, I don't think
>it's made any more, having been replaced by the D-6, a smaller, walkman-size
>deck.  Both make excellent recordings (as good as many home decks) and are
>known for their reliability.  Both easily last for one set on a set of 
>batteries (actually more, but you never know when you'll get that 3-song
>encore...).  I'm not too sure about prices: I think D-5's can be had for $350
>used and D-6's for $600 new.  Anyone?

Well the sony D-5 is definitely still made and can be bought for about $575 or at least thats what I paid at J & R music world almost 1 year ago. That includes delivery.

The D-5 is much sturdier thatn the d-6 and is usually considered a superior 
deck.  Then again the D-6 is cheaper and smaller which helps for stealth
taping .

Also batteries in my D-5 usually last me 3 full sets and a couple of dubs at 
home. basically I'me very cautious cause the amnual states that good
batteries make beter tapes (not in those words) But you should never worry 
about fresh batteries wearing out during 1 show (unless they're defective which happens).  I think the D-6 uses batteries quite similarily except 
that it uses AA not D size.