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From: colovas@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: **HELP! Too many Exception 13s***
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:23:48 EDT

Help!
 I have been running up against a bunch of general protection faults while
trying to use the Borland C++ 3.0 compiler. after trying a number of things to
correct this problem, all suddested by borland in the CIS forum, I have decided
to come here. The latest one looks like this:
Exception 13: general protection fault at 024f:0A81 error code 01DC
ax=0032,bx=7020,cx=0000,dx=0D1F,di=0000,si=0002
ds=05BF limit=FFFF segment# 004C c:\borlandc\bin\bc.exe
es=0CD7 limit=07FF segment#
cs=024F limit=0B60 segment# 0015 c:\...\bc.exe
ss=05BF limit=FFFF segment# 004C c:\...\bc.exe
Error Code 01DC limit= 092F segment# 
strike any key to continue....

Unhandled Exception 000D at 029F 0A81 ErrCode 01DC
Memory allocation error
cannot load command system halted
--------------------------------------------
This is not the first one. The thing is, it runs perfectly fine on my 386 w/387
system at home, so what gives with this? (This is a 486. Both are 33Mhz
machines, too) borland is the only thing that gives me headaches. Can anybody
help me out here? any tidbits would be greatly appreciated.
-Pete
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From: acs_brath@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: Super Power Chips
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:32:16 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

Some simple questions--
I am looking for the MIPS ratings of the following processors.
i860 33Mhz
i860 (any faster than 33Mhz)
i486DX (33, 50) (not important but it would be using an EISA bus)
i486DX2 (all Mhzs)

I am comparing MPX and some other machines to run as sco unix servers.





-shane
shane.s.brath@uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
From: lu-chien-ping@CS.YALE.EDU (Chien-Ping Lu)
Subject: VL-bus PC?
Keywords: local bus 
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:35:03 GMT



After an almost endless wait, one local bus standard finally
comes: the VL-bus by VESA. According most recent issue of Computer Shopper, 
only few vendors (Zeos, Tri-Star ...) advertise their VL-bus compliant 
machines. I want to buy a VL-bus machine. Should I choose one among those
few companies, or just keep waiting for more vendors to join the market?


CP

Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
From: eletanjm@nuscc.nus.sg (TAN JIN MENG)
Subject: Re: How do i determine the clock frequency on a 80xxx?
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:21:42 GMT

schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) writes:
: 47@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (menglund) writes:
: 
: >I am wanting to know how to determine a machines clock frequency dynamically
: >within a program. (eg: 8MHz, 16MHz ect).
: 
: The way I do it is to measure the time it takes to execute a big block
: of NOP's.  You may need to loop around the block a few times to get
: an accurate measurement.  Then, based on the number of NOP's executed
: you can calculate the clock speed since you know the number of clocks
: needed for a NOP to execute.
: 
: If you have any questions let me know.
: 
: Kevin
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I would think that with this method, you'd need to account for
external/internal cache also.

One way, I suppose is to discard the first few iterations of the loop.

Hmm?
From: andras@cyber.net (Andras Radics)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: 387 chips
Date: 28 Sep 92 05:17:36 GMT
Organization: The Cyberspace Station

In article <27SEP199216045687@summa.tamu.edu> gtb6038@summa.tamu.edu (BILES, GREG THOMAS) writes:
>I recently purchased a 387 co-processor, but I am having some second
>thoughts about it.  Becasue, the model number is A80387-16 and it says
>SX829 on it.  The place where I bought it from swears that it is a DX,
>32-bit co-pro.  It works fine on my machine, but it fails to fill up the 
>outer row of pins on the socket which leads me to believe that it is
>a 16 bit version for an SX.  Any information would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Greg

Some motherboards (my budget 386-40, for example) have a math co-processor
socket that will accept either a 387 or a Weitek floating-point accelerator.
The 387 leaves two sides of holes empty, but which are filled by the pins of
the Weitek.

Motherboards typically are designed to accept only one type of 387 chip; it
is simpler.  The SX829 might be a version or date code (someone please
correct me).

If your 386 CPU is also running at 16 MHz, I'd say stick with it.

Andras

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From: johnm@hitwr.hauppaugeNY.NCR.COM (johnm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: 8051 education
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:52:23 GMT
Reply-To: johnm@hitwr.hauppaugeNY.NCR.COM ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Applied Digital Data Systems

I have a question for the Intel experts. I am an Analog engineer 
looking to get some Microprocessor experience. Becaues of what
we use at work I have chosen the 8031/32/51/52 Micro series. I
bought a book from intel on the 8051, programming and applications with 
experiments but it requires an SDK-51 which Intel does not support. They
gave me the names of 2 companies that do but when I called them they 
said that they did not. Does any one know how I might proceed in 
educating my self.
An emulator is out of the question.

Thanks in advance.
John Mancino
ADDS-NCR 516-231-5400
From: picasso@bass.bu.edu (David Ondzes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: Upgrade question
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:06:54 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.intel
Organization: /usr2/graduate/picasso/.organization


I have s 386SX and was wondering what my upgrade options are and 
what effect they will have.

I am mainly interested in coding C/C++ and playing games.

Is it worth it to get a new motherboard ? 

Is there a difference between a motherboard for a 386 and a 486 ?


Thanks
David
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: Intel Price Increase
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<1992Sep25.213837.17068@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:43:54

I've heard that there is an industry-wide shortage of 486's.
Retailers are having trouble getting stocks.
Obviously, anyone in a position to cash in on the shortage is doing so,
including perhaps the people responsible for causing it.

	Generic disclaimer,
		--Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: Intel Price Increase
From: kennedy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Damian Kennedy)
Date: 30 Sep 1992 09:39:00 GMT
Reply-To: kennedy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <PHR.92Sep28164354@napa.telebit.com>, phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:
>I've heard that there is an industry-wide shortage of 486's.
>Retailers are having trouble getting stocks.
>Obviously, anyone in a position to cash in on the shortage is doing so,
>including perhaps the people responsible for causing it.
>
>	Generic disclaimer,
>		--Paul
I've been told in the last few days ,that typicially in Taiwan companies that
have been placing orders for 5K of 386DX40's from AMD have been recieving 1K
and not getting any delivery time on the balance. 

Don't think its just Intel, love to know just exactly what is doing this, I've
seen it before when the price of DRAM was artificially forced up by a cut in
production. This seems to have all the hall marks of that.

					- Damian
KENNEDY_D@KOSMOS.WCC.GOVT.NZ
From: dj@micromuse.co.uk (DJ Walker-Morgan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: PowerPC or (P5 & P6)? [really P5 & P6 =
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:52:02 GMT
Reply-To: dj@micromuse.co.uk
Organization: MicroMuse - The SPARC dudes

In article 8757@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz, stuartw@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Stuart Woolford) writes:
>mash@mash.wpd.sgi.com (John R. Mashey) writes:
>
>I have heard ( I think it was in a BYTE article, and from other people.. ) that
>the P5 has run one of the major FP Benchmarks ( Wheatstone, Linpack, I cannot remember ) at 66MFlops for a 66MHz clock speed, if this is even close to true,
>then I think it will be a contender, and these 'facts' were attributed to a
>report from Intel's Hardware people, NOT Salesmen. They also stated that the
>maximum cycles for a FP Instruction was 3 cycles, and there were 2 Integer
>Pipelines....
>
>and remember    !!!!These are not facts, just what I have heard!!!!

Hmmm... yet the same world-of-rumour tells tales of P5's to date clocking at a
maximum of 40Mhz (30Mhz with FP enabled).... I wonder what 66Mhz P5 part this is B)

Of course it could just have been an extrapolation from current chip cuts....

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From: tt17+@andrew.cmu.edu (Trevor Tompkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: PowerPC or (P5 & P6)?
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:27:50 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Philosophy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Vesa local bus standards are HERE!!  Already, there are 5 computer
companies in the computer shopper that are advertising vesa local bus
slots on there mother boards.  More are on there way.  Further,
companies, like Orchid, ATI, Opti, etc. are supporting Vesa Local bus
and Orchid is supposed to be coming out with a VL Bus card.  EISA, in
terms of disk and video card support is dying quickly--few cards, and
very expensive.

--Trevor (on an eternal quest for the off switch on the computer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
From: torgrim@idt.unit.no (Torgrim Gjelsvik)
Subject: Re: 387 chips
Reply-To: torgrim@idt.unit.no (Torgrim Gjelsvik)
Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 08:07:17 GMT

According to Intel microprocessors vol II 1991 the DX comes in 68 pin PGA,
while the SX comes in 68 pin PLCC.
The SX829 is a code that tells you the production batch.
(it says SXnnn even on DX processors.)
The part numbers SHOULD be 80387DX-16 and 80387SX-16.

Torgrim.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
From: gtb6038@summa.tamu.edu (BILES, GREG THOMAS)
Subject: 387 chips
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:04:00 GMT

I recently purchased a 387 co-processor, but I am having some second
thoughts about it.  Becasue, the model number is A80387-16 and it says
SX829 on it.  The place where I bought it from swears that it is a DX,
32-bit co-pro.  It works fine on my machine, but it fails to fill up the 
outer row of pins on the socket which leads me to believe that it is
a 16 bit version for an SX.  Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Greg

Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
From: "pam naumann" <pam.naumann@canrem.com>
Subject: wanted cross assembler
Reply-To: "pam naumann" <pam.naumann@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:59:43 EST

I am looking for a cross assembler for the x86 chips. I will appriated
your help. Since I am not regular reader of this news group please
send me a personal email.


Thanks
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From: 38@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (menglund)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: How can I determine the clock frequency on an 80xxx machine
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:59:35 GMT
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, UNP
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pc044.cc.unp.ac.za

I am wanting to know how to determine a machines clock frequency dynamically
within a program. (eg: 8MHz, 16MHz ect).
Purpose:
        I need to know this to program the timer chip (8253) correctly on an
        Analog to Digital card. The boards Timer derives its frequency from the
        mother-boards clock. To make my program portable to different speed
        machines (80xxx architecture) I have to determine what the mother-boards
        clock frequency is!
Using:  - Dos 5.00
        - currently 80386sx
        - PC30 analog to digital card.
Any information or methods will be appreciated.
                          Many Thanks
                           Mark Englund.
                           Department of Computer Science
                           University of Natal
                           Pietermaritzburg
                           South Africa
You can email a response to me at:
menglund@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za
OR
englund@unpsun1.cc.unp.ac.za
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
From: dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers)
Subject: Re: Upcoming technology...
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:34:37 GMT

In article <Bv8y48.n45@acsu.buffalo.edu> v131pt62@buffalo.edu (Sleepy) writes:
>> 
>>The P5 is due out sometime next year and it about 10 times faster (i think!).
>
>Hmmm... I thought that P5 is due out at end of this year, and it is only twice
>as fast as the 486DX2 (66MHz).  
>

Maybe he's thinking about the P5A, a GaAs implementation of the P5 :-)


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From: 47@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (menglund)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: How do i determine the clock frequency on a 80xxx?
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:29:58 GMT
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, UNP
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pc091.cc.unp.ac.za

I am wanting to know how to determine a machines clock frequency dynamically
within a program. (eg: 8MHz, 16MHz ect).
Purpose:
        I need to know this to program the timer chip (8253) correctly on an
        Analog to Digital card. The boards Timer derives its frequency from the
        mother-boards clock. To make my program portable to different speed
        machines (80xxx architecture) I have to determine what the mother-boards
        clock frequency is!
Using:  - Dos 5.00
        - currently 80386sx
        - PC30 analog to digital card.
Any information or methods will be appreciated.
                          Many Thanks
                           Mark Englund.
                           Department of Computer Science
                           University of Natal
                           Pietermaritzburg
                           South Africa
You can email a response to me at:
menglund@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za
OR
englund@unpsun1.cc.unp.ac.za
From: fbertsch@hpwad.WAD.HP.COM (#Franz Bertsch)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:50:11 GMT
Subject: zz
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Waldbronn, Germany
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel.ipsc310
From: rskinner@mipos2.intel.com (Rod Skinner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: Intel Price Increase
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:28:32 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

In article <1a0fi2INNhq2@golem.wcc.govt.nz> kennedy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.213837.17068@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, north@egr.msu.edu (George North) writes:
>>I have been thinking about purchasing a 486 and have been following
>>the prices monthly. But I just called two dealers and found
>>out that Intel increased the price of a 486 by about $100.00
>>Can any one tell me why?

This does not sound correct.  Intel has historically (and as far as I
know) continually reduced their pricing on a curve that is at least 30%
per year.  I would double check with these dealers to verify what they
said.  There are situations where Intel has been used as a scape goat
for companies who have problems with products...and of course there are
those times when Intel has had problems with products.  Those are
extensively documented on the net :-).

Raising prices...probably not.  Dealer adjustments for their own bottom
line would be more likely.

>>
>>Thank's George.
>
>To make a profit.

Most public companies have a certain dedication to being profitable.
Those that aren't profitable, don't exist long.

> 
>Pure and simple business. They have it, the others don't and they will make as
>many bucks out of it untill the others catch up, then they will release the P5, 
>I honestly don't believe you will see a commercialy avaliable P5 system untill
>there is real competition for the 80486.

Yes.

>						- Damian
>
>KENNEDY_D@KOSMOS.WCC.GOVT.NZ


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Intel Corp
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
From: apj@oliver.sun.ac.za (Andries Dippenaar MSC)
Subject: Re: VL-bus PC?
Reply-To: apj@cs.sun.ac.za
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:59:14 GMT

Kim Ji Yoon (jykim@camars.kaist.ac.kr) wrote:
: How about wait for a PCI machine?

  I've heard a lot about PCI being a competitor to LocalBus, but have
  not been able to glean any information about it.  Could someone please 
  enlighten me as to what makes it better/worse than LocalBus.

  Andries
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
From: gtb6038@summa.tamu.edu (BILES, GREG THOMAS)
Subject: 64 bit PC
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 06:32:00 GMT

My roomate is planning on purchasing a Haupanagge (SP?) 486 computer.  The
add said that the motherboard said that it has three 64 bit local bus slots,
in which one would be a daughterboard with the processor and everything on it.
Since the 486 is only 32 bit, the only reason for a 64 bit bus would be for
future upgrades.  However, is the P5 supposed to by 64 bit or 32 bit?  If 
only 32 bit, then is there any plans for a 64 bit processor beside the
DEC Alpha that will be PC compatible?

Thanks!
Greg
GTB6038@TAMSUN.TAMU.EDU
From: mkahn@hopi.sedona.intel.com (Mitch Kahn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: the 80387
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:56:28 GMT
Organization: i960(r) New Product Development, Chandler AZ

kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes:

 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
]
] Hi, there
]
] Can anyone tell me how 'buggy' the '387 is?


]
] (i.e would i be better off getting an IIT or Cryix type co-pro?)
]

I don't think the 387 is buggy, but if it is you can bet the IIT and
Cyrix parts have the same bugs...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
From: gtb6038@summa.tamu.edu (BILES, GREG THOMAS)
Subject: Thanks for the 387 replies.  What about mixing processor speeds?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:59:00 GMT

My current motherboard is a 25 Mhz board and I am running a 20 Mhz CPU with
a 16 Mhz math coprocessor.  The coprocessor is about 1 week old to me (I
bought it used) and the shop where I bought it at said it should be fine
on a 20 Mhz machine.  I assume that the motherboard is running at 20 Mhz
due to the CPU.  I checked my crystals on the motherboard and I have two.
On is a 40 Mhz and the other is a 50 Mhz.  Any ideas?  My manual doesn't
tell me much except what kind of cache memory I should use and what size
of SIMM modules to use, niether of which my motherboard can except.  So,
the manual is pretty much usless.

Thanks!
Greg
From: jpl@grafikus.fct.unl.pt (Joao Prospero Luis [ps])
Subject: Re: Upcoming technology...
Organization: Universidade Nova de Lisboa, PORTUGAL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 17:07:46 GMT

Hacksaw (hacksaw@cellar.org) wrote:
: Also... I heard that the 586 will be the last processor in the 80x86 line. 
: Supposedly, Intel is working on a new RISC chip that will be released in a 
: few years. 
: 
: Anyone have any (inside) information?

	I've heard (read) that there will be a 686 and that it will be released
much sooner that could be expected because Intel has put two teams working on
the projects (instead of beggining the 686 when the 586 is done). I think it
was in PC Magazine.
	What will happen after they get to the 80986? 801086 or 81086?

	JPL

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
From: kincer@hagar.endicott.ibm.com (Mike Kincer)
Subject: i860 info?
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:21:47 GMT
Reply-To: kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM FSC Owego

I'm looking for any/all i860 sources for source code.
In particular, looking for 2D/3D graphics (PHIGS, GKS, GL)
and possibly some math packages.  It doesn't have to be public,
I'll buy what's out there!  Anybody out there help me??


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Kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com       __   \<,        /    irrespective of my
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    ______()/ ()______/      employer's"
From: rskinner@mipos2.intel.com (Rod Skinner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: How do i determine the clock frequency on a 80xxx?
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:48:53 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

In article <1992Sep30.012142.25740@nuscc.nus.sg> eletanjm@nuscc.nus.sg (TAN JIN MENG) writes:
>schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) writes:
>: 47@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (menglund) writes:
>: 
>: >I am wanting to know how to determine a machines clock frequency dynamically
>: >within a program. (eg: 8MHz, 16MHz ect).
>: 
>: The way I do it is to measure the time it takes to execute a big block
>: of NOP's.  You may need to loop around the block a few times to get
>: an accurate measurement.  Then, based on the number of NOP's executed
>: you can calculate the clock speed since you know the number of clocks
>: needed for a NOP to execute.
>: 
>: If you have any questions let me know.
>: 
>: Kevin
>: -- 
>: Jet Propulsion Laboratory | schmke@cco.caltech.edu
>: 4800 Oak Grove Dr.        | schmidt@spc5.jpl.nasa.gov
>: M/S 525-3684              |
>: Pasadena, CA  91109       |
>
>I would think that with this method, you'd need to account for
>external/internal cache also.
>
>One way, I suppose is to discard the first few iterations of the loop.
>
>Hmm?

This assumes that the "big block of NOP's" is smaller than the size
of the on-chip cache or even that matter the second level cache.  
Otherwise it won't matter if use or don't use the first iterations. 



Rod Skinner				I speak for myself only.
Intel Corp
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Santa Clara, CA 95052                     FAX (408) 765-4920
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