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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Build-your-own Catal
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 00:55:00 -0600


Time for a re-post of the golf components companies:


Advantage Golf
6511 Proprietors Road
Worthington, Ohio 43085
614-885-2590
614-885-2974 (fax)
1-800-969-2525 (toll free, US)
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Golfworks
Ralph Maltby Enterprises
4820 Jacksontown Road
PO Box 3008
Newark, Ohio 43055-7199
614-323-4193 (Orders outside US)
614-323-4193 (technical information)
1-800-562-5829 (toll free, US)
1-800-562-5829 (Canadian Toll Free line)
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Pro-Swing, Inc.
PO Box 6225
Akron, Ohio 44312
216-848-0809 (technical line)
216-644-2544 (fax)
1-800-451-1995 (toll free, US)
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Golfsmith
10206 North IH-35
Austin, TX 78753
512-837-4810
512-837-1245 (fax)
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Golfmasters
12043 Blondo Street
Omaha, Nebraska 68154
402-492-9677
1-800-488-7689 (toll free, US)
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KTB Golf Kreations
3440 Briar Branch Tr.
Tallahassee, FL 32312
1-800-544-3406
(904) 562-6676
(904) 668-7247
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UT Golf
2346 West 1500 South
Salt Lake City, UT 84104
1-800-666-6033
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Savannah Custom Golf
7403 Skidaway Road
Savannah, GA 31406
1-800-763-4254
(912)-351-9663 (FAX)
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Hireko
220 Mason Way
Industry, CA 91746
1-800-367-8912
1-800-330-5729 (FAX)

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Dynacraft
PO Box 840
71 Maholm St.
Newark, OH 43055
(614) 344-1191
(614) 344-1192
1-800-321-4833
1-800-424-0394 (FAX)
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Nassau Investment Casting
99 Russell Place
Freeport, NY 11520
(516) 867-8018
1-800-783-7775
(516) 378-2270 (FAX)




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From: davet@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Dave Tutelman)
Subject: Re: Build your own: an experience
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs - Lincroft, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:59:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.211218.17978@inmet.camb.inmet.com> milos@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Bob Milosavljevic) writes:
>----------  good stuff deleted  ------------
>I'd like to thank all the Netters who offered advice and encouragement
>when I made my initial inquiries. I'm convinced - now, can anyone
>recommend a Ping or 845 clone component iron head?

Bob,

Glad it went so well for you.  Your story parallels mine with the first
driver I made.  And it's impressed everybody who's tried it.  My irons
(Golfsmith Tour Model IV) also impress people.

Re the Ping or 845 clones:
Look in the GolfMasters or Hireko catalog.
 - The Pro Select is a GOOD Ping Eye 2 clone.  (I've seen it in person.)
 - The 767 (?) is an 845 clone, but I don't know how good.

A couple of other things to think about:
 - The latest ClubKits flyer seems to have a Ping Zing clone head.  (Just
   judging by the picture; I have no idea of specs, and am certainly NOT
   recommending it.  Yet....)
 - If you like the Spalding DTI, look at the MSC heads in the ProSwing
   catalog.  I'm planning to make a set of these for my son this winter.  His
   particular physical characteristics make this a good choice for him.
   Moreover, they appear to be a really good copy, and come in a variety
   of lies.
 - The Golfsmith Tour Model Special Edition looks intriguing, as does the
   Acer 2001.  So many good heads around to choose from.  Isn't that a
   nice problem to have to solve.....
 - I don't like graphite shafts for irons myself; too much HARD contact
   with the ground, and I don't trust them not to break.  Notice that, even
   in graphite sets, the sand wedge is frequently a steel shaft.  Should tell
   you something.

   If your motivation for graphite is weight, try the TT Lite shafts (about
   $4 each, 115 g.) or a variety of "extra light" steel shafts from the
   major manufacturers (about $10, 100g.)  They're a little heavier than
   graphites, but (1) stronger torsionally, (2) considerably cheaper than
   the torsionally stiff shafts you'll want for irons, and (3) IMHO, much
   better able to take abuse.  Since the Golfsmith heads and the Pro Select
   are fairly light themselves (and head weight is MUCH more significant
   than shaft weight), you shouldn't be too disadvantaged by foregoing
   graphites.

Good luck, and be sure to let us know how the irons work out.  (A post of
the same format would be fine; made enjoyable reading.)

Dave
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Caddie-ing
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:29:48 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Sep30.084859.27493@lth.se> dat91jre@ludat.lth.se (Regmyr Jonas) writes:
>kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>(Deleted Text)
>: his ball.  If your player hits a good shot and hits the green, 
>: immediately pass him his putter, take the other club away and give it
>: a wipe.
>(Deleted Text)
>
>I don't know how much this is worth, but when I caddied on PLM Open at
>Bokskogen here in south Sweden I was told not to get the putter out of
>the bag before my player had hit the shot and safely landed it on the green.
>The thing is, if you have the putter in your hand you will add some more
>pressure on the player. He/She will feel that you expect him/her to land this
>one on the green.

I agree that taking the putter out if the bag before the shot would not
be a good idea.  I would not take the putter out of the bag until the ball
was in the air and it was heading towards the green.  One of the players 
I caddied for loved it when as soon as hit as his ball touched down on
the green, the putter was was in his hand.  Unforntunately, there would be
a few times when I would be taking the putter out of bag, and the ball would 
check up short and spin into a bunker.  I would then have to quietly place
the putter back into the bag.

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)

>
>Hope you'll do fine.
>
>               /Jonas..........
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Phoenix golf, revisited
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:25:14 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona

In article <1992Oct5.211417.27424@csc.ti.com> jimv@dadd.ti.com writes:
>Foothills   - Tom Weiskopf(?) course.  $25 w/cart on wknd.  ONLY course 

Tom Weiskopf and Jay Morrish(?I'll check the signs on the way home).

They also designed Troon North, which is one of the more
famous and well-regarded courses in the southwest (but
still less well-regarded than Troon, which, alas, is
members-only...)

>              around that allows reciprocal play.  Several temporary greens

What do you mean by "reciprocal?"  If you mean that you can
take off on the back and do the front after, then yes, it
is sort of rare.  That's partly our (the Intel Golf
League's) fault.  We play 9 holed twice a week, alternating
nines, and they got into the habit of supporting 9-hole
rounds, so they aren't picky about which nine you start off
on, and if you see two carts at 1 and nobody on 9 or 10, they
often suggest you just go off the back.

But, there's another, deeper, secret reason. 

The back nine used to be the front nine, and vice-versa.
They swapped them shortly after the course was opened.
It's secret because I don't remember exactly what they said
was the reason they did it.  Something about the front
being more interesting and thus more impressionable, and
also more hilly and less enjoyable after three hours of
duffing; the new 18th is also a much better "stadium" hole,
allowing better access and larger galleries on the slopes
that surround it.

>              that should be gone by end of year.  Would advise strongly to

The greens are a tragic and sad story.  My beloved Bent
Grass is being removed and replaced with Bermuda.  The
water is just too salty, and certain indiscretions on the
part of the course builders caused a fraudulent lack of
drainage beneath the putting surface.

>              others that are unfamiliar to Desert golf.  Good breaker-inner.

Yep.  There's a little desert, but very few holes where the
space between tee and green is all scrub.  Plus, I've never
seen or heard a rattlesnake anywhere near the Foothills, so
the desert-rough is tolerable.

>              Course in good shape.

Well, except for them greens...

They overseeded last week, and the rye should be coming up
in the fairways this week, so if you come over the winter,
expect a lush greenness to the grass that you can't get
from plants that live more six months.

				--Blair
				  "Currently shorting my Moon Valley stock."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: jessick@aspen.rtp.dg.com (Mark Jessick)
Subject: Titleist DTR Irons are SOLD!
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 11:53:52 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

S O L D !!

. 1990 Titleist DTR Irons
.
. 2 - PW
. True Temper Dynamic Gold S300 Shafts
. Standard Loft, 2 degrees Upright Lie
. New Golf Pride Tour Wrap Grips (< 6 rounds)
. 
. All clubs in excellent condition. 
.
. $350 -- Will pay shipping or will deliver
          within the Triangle Area.  Paid
.         $425 for them through TelePro in
.         April '90.  Warehouse Retail ~$475.
-- 
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Graphite Shafts
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:18:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.140506.3249@lth.se> d90gl@efd.lth.se (Gustaf Loefberg) writes:

>What's the use in having graphite shafts in your irons?
>If you need to hit an iron longer, you take a longer club.
>I've noticed that Montgomerie and Daly uses firesticked
>irons, is there a reason for this except sponsors money?
>Could it be something with the torque?

There are several benefits from graphite shafts, most the result
of the fact that a shaftmaker can fabricate more properties into
a graphite (or boron) shaft than he can with steel.  In no
particular order:

- lighter weight
- greater range of stiffness
- reduced torque
- different kick points so shots tend to go higher
- less vibration (big with a couple of senior players I know)

And yes, while one should generally take more club when he needs more
distance, there's nothing wrong with hitting all of your clubs a bit
farther.  Besides, most of us hit our short irons better than we do
our long ones.
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
From: oil@idt.unit.no (Odd Ivar Lindland)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: golf news
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:38:48 GMT
Reply-To: oil@idt.unit.no (Odd Ivar Lindland)
Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology

> Fred Couples leads the U.S. Ryder Cup standings, followed
> by John Cook, Tom Kite, Jeff Sluman and Davis Love III. Briton Nick
> Faldo is the European leader, followed by Anders Forsbrand of Sweden,
> Barry Lane of England, Jose Maria Olazabal of Spain and Bernhard Langer
> of Germany.

I beleive this is the top ranking of the "Volvo order of merit" or the money list for
the European Tour 1992. The Ryder Cup standings for European players is based on events
which started at the beginning of September (The Swiss Open won by Jamie Spence I think it
was), so it is still only at its start. However, Nick Faldo and  Barry Lane are 
certainly among the leading persons in this standings. Perhaps someone has an updated
version of the European Ryder Cup standings?

Odd Ivar Lindland
PhD-student
University of Trondheim 
NORWAY
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington)
Subject: Re: Graphite Shafts
Reply-To: ilh@lcs.mit.edu
Organization: MIT/LCS Spoken Language Systems
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:28:00 GMT

What's a typical torque rating for a steel shaft, say a TT Dynamic Gold?
--

                                Lee Hetherington
                                ilh@lcs.mit.edu
From: moir@cs.umd.edu (Mark Moir)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Richard Loe
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:35:26 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Oct6.031612.4918@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> s8923098@macgraw.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA) writes:
>In article <10519@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> sarge@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>
>...[Richard Loe's foul play on Oz TV]....
>|
>|From what I can tell, it looked deliberate. Loe seemed to be very intent

>Careful, mate! You are going to be inundated with flames from Kiwis

Come on - pay attention.  There has been almost unanimous disapproval
of Loe's alleged actions from Kiwis as well as anyone else posting here.
I think most people (and their countries) can be accused of one-eyedness 
on one issue or another, but I really think that most people posting to
this group are extremely objective.  Thanks guys - keep it up!

Cheers

Mark
From: mmcleod@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: NZ Championship Format
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:59:47 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Oct5.144057.11233@waikato.ac.nz>, rel@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> I think that the first division should be merged with the top half of the
> second division and thus creating two larger divisions.

No no no! That would make the second division boring again...

I like the way it is currently divided into three divisions. It means that
there is still a lot of good teams in the second division, and therefore
is still interesting...

I remember back in the 80's noone was interested in what went on in the second
division as there was usually only one or two teams in it, like Southland or
Hawkes Bay. Now with good teams like Taranaki, Manawatu, Bay of Plenty, Counties
etc. competing for one promotion place it makes it much more interesting...

I have to agree with everyone in saying that the semi-finals are a good thing.
But I'd also would like to see a system based on the final standings in the
table (although I did enjoy seeing Waikato win after finishing fourth :-)...

Either a top-five playoff, as used in NSWRL's Winfield Cup...
Or giving teams that finish ahead of their semi-final/final opponents the home
advantage...

Comments?
From: higham@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Wales XV to play Italy
Date: 2 Oct 92 09:26:02 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Oct1.102906.994@massey.ac.nz>, R.D.Lynn@massey.ac.nz (R.D. Lynn) writes:
> In article: <1992Sep30.104758.16577@aber.ac.uk> mae@aber.ac.uk
> (Mark Endaf Edwards) writes:
> 
>>WALES XV v ITALY (October 7, Cardiff)
> ---------      
> Why is it only Wales XV? Surely after Wales' lack of success in the test arena
> for a number of seasons, the Welsh RFU should be only glad to chalk up another
> test win, or is it that they're scared of yet another test loss! :-)
> 
> Seriously though, I feel this rather a slight on Italian rugby, which 
> shouldn't occur. Firstly, Italian rugby is on the rise with the national team 
> putting up some creditable performances during the last world cup. Secondly,
> Wales has given caps for games against much lesser rugby nations, such as
> The USA and Namibia (where Wales almost loss). So why the change now? The
> team as picked IS the TEST side. So make it official.
>  
Hear, hear, the Welsh still inhabit that fairy land wherein they are among the
top 5-6 teams in the world. Clearly, they are back in Div 3. The decision to
make it a "welsh XV" is a slap in the face to the Italians who are not bad at
all. I remember when the AB's toured the UK in the early 70's (73?) and played
Ireland, a Welsh XV and the Barbarians in 10 days. The Welsh XV was Wales pure
and simple, it was just a way of saving face in the event of a loss and making
a bonus "oh and it was only a welsh XV, imagine what the national team would
do" in the event of a win. Can't see the point really.
I agree, I thought the Welsh would leap at the chance of chalking up another
test win, I mean, it must be the 70's since they had a hattrick of wins :^)
(Please note smiley here, no offence intended!) 

-- 
Tom Higham,                    
Radiocarbon Dating Lab,
University of Waikato,
Hamilton,
NEW ZEALAND.
Higham@waikato.ac.nz /
C14@waikato.ac.nz
From: CS19242428D@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (Tim BY C)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Bledisloe Cup
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:00:15 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Hiya all!

Although the horse has bolted long ago, can anybody remember if a player
of the series was nominated for the last Bledisloe Cup heldv and who was it?
From my unbiased viewpoint Frank Bunce impressed me the most and consistently
played inpsired rugby for all of the Tests.  I would say that he had a big 
hand in setting up half of the tries which the All-Blacks scored (6 to be 
exact), and it was such a pity that he couldn't have capped it all of with
that splendid try that was ultimately disallowed in the last Test.

And who were the players of the match for each of the Tests?  

Thanks.

Adios!

tim



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From: piij@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mr ID Jennings)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Springbok tour itinerary
Summary: Help wanted for itinerary of Springbok tour to France, England
Keywords: Springboks, France, England, Itinerary
Date: 3 Oct 92 09:13:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: hippo.1992Oct3.091303.13522
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

I'd be very grateful if anyone on the net could let me know what the
itinerary of the Springbok tour to France and England is - or at least
when the opening matches take place.

Thanks
-- 
Ian Jennings
Philosophy Department
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: piij@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mr ID Jennings)
Subject: Springboks opening game in France
Summary: French youth side beat the Springboks in opening game
Keywords: Springboks, French youth 
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:40:10 GMT

News from Bordeaux is that the Young France team beat the Springboks
24-17 in the opening match of the Springbok tour this afternoon.

The only details I have are that the French team led 8-6 at halftime and
that they scored 2 tries to teh 
Springboks one.

Otherwise - I have no idea what players the Springboks used in the
match, how strong the French side was, and what this result implies for
the rest of the tour.  Comments please!
-- 
Ian Jennings
Philosophy Department
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
From: tratnana@eureka-gold.wbme.jhu.edu (Tilak Ratnanather)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Springboks
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:39:29 GMT

Est-ce que l'equipe 'Springboks' sont arrives? Je pense
les Springboks joueront le match premier le samedi prochaine!

What news of the first and official Springbok tour of Europe
for 23 years?

Thanks

Tilak Ratnanather       Internet: tratnana@eureka-gold.wbme.jhu.edu
Dept of Otolaryngology -- Head & Neck Surgery    || Phone 410 955 3877
The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine  || Fax   410 955 1299
Traylor Research Bldg 522, 720 Rutland Avenue    || Fax   410 955 0549
Baltimore MD 21205-2196                          ||
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From: a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager)
Subject: Uli Schmidt story...?
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:45:02 GMT

Hi

Could someone in SA please post some comments on the whole Uli Schmidt
business? It has even been said that it is politically motivated (Anthem
singing etc) which I find hard to believe.

Thanks.
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From: rose@duncan.cs.utk.edu (John Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: RUGBY TEAMS IN LOS ANGELES
Followup-To: rose@cs.utk.edu
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:16:34 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Reply-To: rose@duncan.cs.utk.edu (John Rose)
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu


well mail bounced to ya so posting. 

these are some old addresses but should work:

joel schifflman
2612 oak ave.
manhattan beach, CA.   90266

phone: 213-545-1910



gary andrews
2524 mesa drive
oceanside, calif.   92054

phone: 619-439-1455



walter shaw
856 manhattan beach bl.
manhattan beach, CA.   90266




andrews was calif union president a few years ago. other two guys are in
los angeles.


let me know what ya find out. who you play for now?


john
From: mae@aber.ac.uk (Mark Endaf Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: World Cup Sevens
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:57:10 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

WORLD CUP SEVENS DRAW
(Murrayfield, 16-18 April 1993)

POOL A: Fiji, South Africa, Wales, Romania, Japan, Latvia
POOL B: New Zealand, France, Ireland, Korea, USA, Holland
POOL C: Australia, Scotland, Argentina, Italy, Tonga, Taiwan
POOL D: England, Western Samoa, Canada, Namibia, Spain, Hong Kong

The seeded teams are Fiji, New Zealand, Australia and England.  
The top two teams from each pool qualify for the quarter-finals,
therefore the Wales - South Africa match looks like being decisive
in Pool A as Fiji should qualify without too much trouble.  This will
be the first time that Wales and South Africa will have met since
1970, when they drew 6-6 in Cardiff.  Full test action is not scheduled
to resume until 1994 and this delay should add some spice to their
sevens meeting.
Cheers
Endaf
*************
Endaf Edwards
Institute of Earth Studies
University of Wales
Aberystwyth SY23 3DB
Wales