Newsgroups: bit.listserv.hellas
Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:52:25 EDT
Reply-To:     "Stratos Safioleas" <MG543C@GWUVM.GWU.EDU>
From:         "Stratos Safioleas" <MG543C@GWUVM.GWU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: European 30/8
Comments: To: The Hellenic Discussion List <HELLAS@BROWNVM.brown.edu>
              29 Aug 1992 13:23:31 PDT from <perkon%aludra.usc.edu@USC.EDU>

On Sat, 29 Aug 1992 13:23:31 PDT Perikles Konstantinides said:
>> 2. To poioi boulia3av tis DEKO stnv Ellada eivai eukolo. Eivai OLA ekeiva ta
>>    komata pou nsav stnv e3ousia kai proslambavav aberta gia tous gvwstous
>>    logous.
>
>           Oi opoioi einai poioi; Opws les kai esu parakatw: gia na
>     do0ei douleia ston kosmo kai na mhn uparxei anergia. Giati ean den
>     to ekanan auto 0a eprepe na anaptux0ei perissotero h idiwtikh
>     oikonomia kai na parasxei douleies.... Alla ean ginotan auto, tote
>     ta "kommata pou den htan sthn exousia" (blepe: KKE) 0a fwnazan
>     gia to idiwtiko kefalaio pou ekmetaleuetai tous ergazomenous kai
>     0A TA EKLEINE TA IDIWTIKA ERGOSTASTIA, opws ekanan pollakis sthn
>     oktaetia 1981-89...
>
>           Sugkinhtikh h prospa0eia sou na baleis ola ta kommata, plhn KKE,
>     se ena kala0i alla krima pou atuxhses. To 1981 to IKA paredo0h sto
>     PASOK me PLEONASMA 45 dis. To 1989, to PASOK paredwse to IKA me
>     ELEIMMA 700 dis.... Eptakosia disekatommmuria draxmes... 0eleis
>     na sou ferw merika akomh paradeigmata;
>
      Malista gia va doume loipov:

      Dev katalabaivw to epixeirnma me ta voumera. Apo voumera pame kala kai
      kapoioi 0a sou peta3ouv kapoia alla. Proaspa0eis va mas peis oti MONO to
      PASOK kai oxi n ND eivai upeu0uvo gia tis proslnyeis sto dnmosio tomea;
      3avaskeyou to...

      To KKE dev katalaba ti sxesn exei me tnv suzntnsn pali. To KKE mporei
      va eivai toso sugxrovo oso kai oi brovtosauroi alla opws kai va to
      kavoume dev exei sxesn me tis proslnyeis. Se auto de,dev ftaiw egw
      tipota.

      Oso gia ta idiwtika ergastasia, e as mnv milnsoume gia tnv ependutikn
      prospa0eia twv Ellnvwv epixeirnmatiwv as poume stn lamprn periodo 74-81.
      Kala-kala ftaei o kratismos, alla 0a pros0esw duo le3eis: Daveia-Elbetia.


>>    As mnv katabalwvomaste sta profavn... Oi ergazomevoi tns EAS dev
>>    0elav va avtimetwpisouv tnv pragmatikotnta edw kai duo xrovia peripou kai
>>    eixav me tn sumperifora tous apo3evwsei tov kosmo.
>
>            O opoios "kosmos" tous plhrwnei tous mis0ous kai den erwtatai
>     otan oi ergatopateres tou Dhmosiou Tomea zhtoun kai petuxainoun auxhseis.
>     Oi Kubernhseis dhladh diaxeirizontai ta xrhmata twn politwn gia na
>     exuphrethsoun ton stoxo tous ths epanekloghs kai upoxwroun stis
>     apaithseis ths ADEDY kai ths GSEE oi opoies, koptomenes gia ta "dikaia"
>     twn ergazomenwn, bu0izoun tous forologoumenous polites sthn xrewkopia...
>
>>    Omws n fasn ntav stnmevn
>>    kai pro0esn tns kubervnsns ntav apo tnv arxn va tnv dialusei.
>
>         Mporeis na to apodeixeis auto; Exeis stoixeia;
>
      Dev xreiazetai va apodei3w tipota. Apln avalusn twv gegovotwv to deixvei
      kai politiko ais0ntnrio. Dev vomixw va to sternsai.


>>    Otav 0a tnv
>>    dwsei sta xrewmeva KTEL kai stous ta3itzhdes dnladn 0a 'vai kalutera;
>
>        Esu gnwrizeis oti 0a einai xeirotera; Mporeis na mas exhghseis giati;
>
      Kai auto eivai aplo arkei va skefteis tnv uperoxn e3upnretnsn pou
      prosferouv oi ta3itzndes sto A0nva.i.ko koivo.(;) Aln0eia 0a prepei
      n kubervnsn va suvexisei tnv epidotnsn twv KTEL; Peirazei to terastio
      elleima tous; Ti sxesn exei to gegovos oti kai oi duo proskeivtai stn
      ND;

>> Kai
>>    epeita tous apolumevous ti tous kaveis. (Dnladn autous pou esu proselabes)
>
>          Emena proswpika, ws forologoumeno polith, POSWS ME ENDIAFEREI.
>      Auto pou 0elw egw einai oso to dunaton kaluteres sugkoinwnies me oso
>      to dunaton ligwtero kostos. Den pshfizw kubernhsh gia na lunei to
>      problhma ths anergias eis baros mou. As pane na doulepsoun ston
>      idiwtiko tomea pou psaxnei gia ergates kai den briskei.
>
      Agapnte, apo tous prwtous apolumevous, tous 650 dnladn gurw stous 80
      nsav nlikias 50+. Esu les oti prepei to kratos va tous peta3ei sta
      skoupidia kai n koivwvia va mnv voiastei giati tnv tuxn tous; Kai av
      autoi  dev mporouv va brouv douleia twra pia, tote gia va znsouv autoi
      kai oi oikogevoies tous prepei va se stamatnsouv sto dromo kai va se
      sfa3ouv gia va sou parouv to portofoli. Ma kala kovta sou dev givav auta
      ta fobera otav ta kaigav sto LA. Poio eivai to didagma gia to pou
      pngaivei mia "koivwvia" pou adiaforei;


>> 4. Dev perimevoume bebaia apo tov European va mas pei gia tov "Basilia" Sto
>>    sxolio tou dev eida pou0eva va leei oti eivai vtropn va suzhtame gia
>>    basilikn periousia. Auto 0a mou peis dev eipw0nke oute stnv Ellada apo
>>    merikous. Dev mporw va katalabw gia poio pragma givetai pazari, gia kati
>>    pou pote dev avnke stov Kwstavtivo kai to suvafi tou;
>
>            Eutuxws pou akomh sthn Ellada oi titloi kuriothtas, oi nomo0etikes
>     ru0miseis kai ta sumbolaia einai sebasta apo thn Politeia kai ta
>     Dikasthria. Eutuxws pou den exoume ftasei akomh sto shmeio xeftilas na
>     akurwnoume sumbolaiografikes praxeis kai nomo0etikous diakanonismous
>     ka0e fora pou allazei h politikh sugkuria. Polu 0a h0elan merikoi na
>     xanagraftei h istoria ths xwras alla, kalws 'h kakws (kata thn gnwmh
>     mou kakws, alla h gnwmh mou den mporei na allaxei thn istoria), apo to
>     to 1832 mexri to 1973 (epi xountas katargh0hke h Basileia, 0umaste;)
>     h Ellada htan Monarxia 'h Basileuomenh Dhmokratia. Kai ta Suntagmata,
>     apo to 1843 kai meta, epikurwnontan apo eklegmenous laikous antiprosw-
>     pous. Ta suntagmata pou katoxurwnan ta dikaiwmata kai tis upoxrewseis
>     oxi mono twn aplwn politwn alla kai ths Aulhs.
>
>          Polu 0a h0elan merikoi exalloi ths aristeras na ta xexasoume ola
>     auta kai na allaxoume ta onomata twn odwn, na gkremisoume to anaktoro
>     tou Tatoiou kai na leiwsoume ola ta palha nomismata pou diathroun
>     akomh oi sullektes me tis kefales tou Paulou kai tou Kwnstantinou...
>     Einai autoi oi exalloi pou noiw0oun oti apeilountai apo ton Gluxmpourgk
>     kai to sunafi tou, par' olo pou o Ellhnikos laos, telesidika, e0ese
>     telos sto politeiako erwthma.
>
>          Kai erwtoun: "kai ean o Mhtsotakhs ferei pisw ton Kwnstantino;"
>     Kai m' auton ton tropo, gia allh mia fora, oi exalloi ths aristeras
>     ftunoun katamoutra ton lao pou toso 0eloun na mas kanoun na pisteuoun
>     oti uperaspizontai.... KAI 'MEIS TI EIMASTE RE; PROBATA EIMASTE, NA
>     MAS KATSOYN STO KEFALI MONARXH ME TO ETSI 0ELW; 'H mhpws 0a diasw0ei
>     h "e0nikh mas uperhfaneia" parakratwntas apo kapoion kati pou einai
>     nomima diko tou;
>

      Giati tosos xamos kai avtibasilikes krauges sto telos. O tews Basilias
      dev dikaioutai pevtara tsakistn apo tn periousia tou Ellnvikou laou.
      Dev tou avnke pote kai dev tou tn xrwstame. Eivai tapeivwtiko va mila-
      me gia sumbibasmo kai pazaria kai va perimevoume va mas "xarisei" kai to
      tade kommati apo ta ktnmata "tou". Arketa exei boutn3ei vomizw kai eivai
      kala taktopoinmevos autos, ta paidia tou kai ta paidia twv paidiwv tou.
      O sumpa0ns uios tou foitouse stn geitovia mou, kai perusi se mia
      nrwikn tou e3odo efage se mia movn bradua $4,000. Kai kala ekave, mnpws
      dika tou ntav; Dika sou eivai kai polu 0a xairotav va n3ere oti to
      xeirokroteis apo pavw!


>>    Auta polu filika.
>>    Stratos kai Kurstratos
>>         Di kai Ci
>
>Epishs filika
>
>pfk
>southern cal

     Pavta filika kai xwris pro0esn va 0i3w

     Stratos Kurstratos DeDici
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