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From: hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim)
Subject: Re: Some more info on the Baha'is (1)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:02:54 GMT


farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian), writes:

>Yes, that is the Kamran Hakim I know. A while ago, when I brought
>up a strong argument against Bahaullah, he did not respond at first,
>then he simply claimed that he had already responded!

Hi Farzin.

>The following is more information about Baha'is that someone sent me.
>It appears reasonable but I have not researched it myself. I am
>posting it merely for the sake of informing interested non-Baha'is
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and definitely NOT for the sake of debate with the Baha'is since I
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>am thoroughly convinced that the Baha'is (at least the ones who post
>to SCI) are totally insincere.

Fine. I am very interested for us to examine together the implications 
of INFORMING others.

>A second book which indicates Abdolbaha's successor should be Mirza Mohamad
>ali "Abbas afandi's brother" is "Adei'eh Mahboob, Ketab-e-A'hdi, page 218".

Please allow me to offer the statement made by Baha'u'llah in Ketab-o-A'hdi:

"The will of the divine Testator is this: It is incumbent upon the Aghsan
[Lit. Branches. A Biblical title by which Baha'u'llah refers to His 
children.], the Afnan [A term used to by Baha'u'llah to refer to the
family of The Bab.] and my kindred [i.e. the Baha'is] to turn, one and 
all, their faces towards the Most Mighty Branch [Abdu'l-Baha]. Consider 
that which We have revealed in Our Most Holy Book [i.e. the Book of Aqdas]: 
`When the ocean of My presence hath ebbed and the Book of My revelation is 
ended [i.e. After I pass away], turn your faces toward Him Whom God hath 
purposed, Who hath branched from this Ancient Root.' The object of this 
sacred verse is none other except the Most Mighty Branch [Abdu'l-Baha]. 
Thus have We graciously revealed unto you our potent Will, and I am verily 
the Gracious, the All-Powerful. Verily God hath ordained the station of 
the Greater Branch [Muhammad Ali, brother of Abdu'l-Baha] to be beneath 
that of the Most Great Branch [Abdu'l-Baha]. He is in Truth the Ordainer, 
the All-Wise. We have chosen `the Greater' after `the Most Great', as 
decreed by Him Who is the All-Knowing, the All-Informed."

				Extract from the "Book of My Covenant"
					Tablets of Baha'u'llah

Baha'u'llah in a book entitles Katb-o-Ahdi (The Book of My Covenant)
chose Abdu'l-Baha to be the Center of His Covenant and the interpreter 
of His Words. After Abdu'l-Baha Mirza Muhammad Ali was named as a 
provisional choice. Muhammad Ali protested this choice, suggesting that 
if Abdu'l-Baha outlives him then he could never be the leader. As a 
result of his arrogance he is not considered to be a Baha'i. This is why
Abdu'l-Baha chose Shoghi Effendi in His "Will and Testament" to be His 
successor as the Guardian of the Baha'i Faith.

						Part 1 of 12
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:6614 talk.religion.misc:13145
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Principles of Baha'i Faith?
From: <RBNXHS@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:35:08 EDT
 Jul28210831@nighthawk.clearpoint.com><1992Jul29.022316.11913@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

A question to the Bahais:
   What is your position in regard to Jesus? Was he a man or a
God (incarnate)? Do you believe in Trinity or not? A detailed
outline on your stand on Jesus would be appreciated.
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Khomeini Was an agent for Saddam
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:32:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

In article <3646@keele.keele.ac.uk> phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber) writes:
>
>	Saddam used him against the Shah. So he was foolish to take
>	refuge in Iraq. If he was really revolutionary he would have
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	stayed in Iran and not to go to the enemies of Iran like 
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	Iraq and France where the CIA was looking after him. 

It would be much better if all of us opened our mouths only about
things we knew something about.  For your info, Imam Khomeini didn't
leave Iran on his own.  He was forcibly exiled.  He didn't live Iraq
on his own either.  The Iraqi government expelled him due to a request
by the Shah.

>A Jaber

Behnam Sadeghi
From: ilyess@athena.concordia.ca (Ilyess Bdira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Iran stops Pakistani train carrying 'anti-Islamic slogans'
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:46:30 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.iranian
Organization: ECE - Concordia University

In article <sehari.712280305@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>--
>The news is sent to me by Mr. Amir Taghavi:
>From: Amir Taghavi <mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>
>Subject: Iran stops Pakistani train carrying 'anti-Islamic slogans'
						==========
>

	IRNA said the slogan-writing was the work of Wahabis, an Islamic
						============

Now I see, it is part of the dirty cold war between Saudi Arabia and
Iran.. While S.A has never been respected by the rest of the Muslim
world, the Shiite state of Iran has been earning a similar reputation
since 1981 with its dirty tactics in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Lebanon,
and Azerbijan...
At the time of Khomeini, Iran was sectarian but at least principled,
but now it is sectarian and machiavellistic..

Face it people , the Islamic republic of Iran is a big disapointment,
I am sorry to say that..
I am no fan of Saddam, Rafsanjani, or Saudi fat Sheikhs..
right now, I respect only one government (and I still have objections
over some of its domestic policies). The government of Sudan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Hezbollah evacuates base thought to have been used to hold hostages
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:49:59 GMT



	BAALBECK, Lebanon (UPI) -- Pro-Iranian Hezbollah guerrillas Wednesday
evacuated their Lebanese headquarters -- a base where numerous Western
hostages are believed to have been held in the past.
	Witnesses said Hezbollah guerrillas and some 200 Iranian
Revolutionary Guards pulled out tanks, other vehicles and large
quantities of weapons from the Sheikh Abdallah barracks, a former
Lebanese army base Hezbollah had seized in 1983. The facility is located
52 miles east of Beirut.
	Hezbollah relinquished the base as part of a 1990 agreement that
ended Lebanon's 16-year civil war. The agreement called for the Lebanese
army to regain control over all structures seized by various factions
during the war.
	Hezbollah was the last major militia to turn over its headquarters.
The Lebanese army already has evicted Christian, Shiite and Sunni
militias from their respective bases.
	Military sources said the army planned to quickly take over the
Sheikh Abdallah barracks, which once housed as many as 1,500 Iranian
Revolutionary Guards, who were brought in to train guerrillas for
attacks on Lebanese and Israeli targets.
	French warplanes bombed the site several times in 1983, after a
Hezbollah suicide bomber killed 51 French paratroopers in Beirut.


-- 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu                          Amir Taghavi

  =-=-=  The official .signature of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. =-=-=
From: seioshan@cae.wisc.edu (Baher Seioshansian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Iranian wrestling/weight-L. results
Date: 27 Jul 92 06:49:48 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Originator: seioshan@sun-25.cae.wisc.edu


 Hallo everyone,

	I was wondering if anyone knows if Iran participated in any event yet
in the Olympics.  U.S. TV seems showing only few games of the Olympics

	mamnoon     .. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Re: Some more info on the Baha'is (2)
Followup-To: PLEASE TAKE YOUR INFO ELSE WHERE !
Summary: PLEASE TAKE YOUR INFO ELSE WHERE !
Keywords: PLEASE TAKE YOUR INFO ELSE WHERE !
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:53:21 GMT


Please take this discussion to soc.religion.bahai, or talk.religion.misc.
or soc.religion.islam. As you notice this is "SOC.CULTURE.IRANIAN" and I 
don't believe it has anything to do with religion.

With all respect to Moslem and Bahai folks.

Amir

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan
From: alireza@eng.umd.edu (Alireza Karimzadeh-Rad)
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 03:55:53 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park


Payman khan,

I think you have misunderstood me totally. I was not refering to the
Baha'ie faith when I wrote that article. I was simply refering to the
fact that the British often times used to stir up hatred among people
in any given part of the world in order to make their work easier for
them. India and Pakistan are the classic examples. 

I am personally very ignorant when it comes to the Baha'ie faith. I
had no idea that the British where in any way involved in its
creation. Frankly I've been skipping most of the articles on this
matter. I'm sorry if you thought I was pointing the finger at any
particular group, but I was not. You may rest assured that my comments
were most general in nature.

Payandeh Baad Iran
Alireza
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami)
Subject: Re: Last Names
Organization: San Diego State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:56:52 GMT

In article <Bs81sw.22F@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:


>Why do we carry our father's last name ? don't get me wrong , I love my
>last name but isn't it kinda sexist ?? 

>Ramin

1- This is a male dominated society (world), and was a male dominated before.
2- It is the fault of chromosome 23rd.. It is the father's chromosome which 
   is responsible for the gender of the child, mother's does none.
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Takhti, The Champ.
Date: 26 Jul 92 14:28:54 GMT
Organization: UB


Would someone please post an article about Takhti for this bandeh ignorant.
I , like most of you , have heard the name Takhti so many times like I know
him and I have met him. But I never heard the complete story of his 
_-MobarezAt-_ during Shah's regime and the reason for his death or who
murdered him. I believe they claimed that he committed suicide but he was
murdered according to many. 

So who knows a lot about Takhti ?? What was his goals and his words ? who
did he follow and what did he fight for ?

Ramin
From: x87arghavani@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: help needed on replying a message
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:01:41 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Thanks for your help,
It worked.
Thanks every one!
MohsenIn article <1992Jul21.220718.4672@gw.wmich.edu>, x87arghavani@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> Hello "Hamvatanan";
> Can any one tell me how I can reply a message on SCI and at the same time 
> have it posted on our newsgroup. Every time I try to reply a message it is
> only sent to the person that the message came from and it is not posted in the
> newsgroup. Please show me how to pst, that is post, a message in the newsgro.
> 
> Thanks 
>  Sincerely
> Mohsen!
From: psaviz@TD2CAD.INTEL.COM (Peter Saviz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Suggestion for design of Iranian tee-shirts
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:10:54 GMT


I have a good friend in Boston (Mammad Agha) who used to design very stylish
tee-shirts based on Iranian designs.  He had his own company for a while
(Vatan Co.), but he is now doing other stuff.

His tee-shirts were quite popular, with designs from Takhte-Jamshid
(Persepolis), and other places in Iran (and of course the main colors
were red, white, and green).  They looked really nice.

If enough people are interested, I am sure we could get him to start
making them again.

Koorosh

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: Suggestion for design of Iranian tee-shirts
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:20:02 GMT

A few weeks ago I hand painted a tee-shirt with a map of Iran with the
words "Paayendeh Baad Iran" in the middle (Alireza should like this one
:-)). The map was hand drawn on paper down to the scale needed for the
shirt (I drew a cartesian grid to the size of the shirt and redrew the
map by eye from a large Iranian map that I have). Then I cut out the
border and traced the map on the shirt with a water-based black marker.
I transferred the lettering with carbon paper. Finally, I painted the
map and the lettering in with DECA black fabric paint (which needs to be
ironed to set it permanently in the fabric).

Total cost: shirt $9, paint $3, brushes $1.50

I had contemplated painting green and red stripes across the map but
decided not to try it on the first attempt. The shirt turned out great.
I even had one stranger say "Hey, were did you get that shirt!".

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:6615 soc.culture.indian:26587
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 31 Jul 1992 14:05:17 CDT
From: <U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.indian
Subject: CFV:soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna








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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: jafar@blue.ism.isc.com (Jafar Honarmand)
Subject: Re: Anti-Islamic Slogans= Anti-Khomeinst????
Organization: Interactive Systems Corporation, Santa Monica, CA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:26:45 GMT

In article <3638@keele.keele.ac.uk> phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber) writes:
>>Subject: Iran stops Pakistani train carrying 'anti-Islamic slogans'
>>
>>	ATHENS, Greece (UPI) -- Iran stopped a passenger train on its border
>>with Pakistan and prevented it from entering the country because it
>>carried ``anti-Islamic slogans,'' the official Islamic Republic News
>>Agency said Monday.
>
>	You mean Anti-Khomeinist propaganda. 
>
>	Is Every thing Anti-Khomeinist in Iran considered anti-Islamic.
>

YA Akhee:

Anta az "beekh" Arab. I recommend you hire an English<-->Arabic interpreter for
reading/posting news. Also, if you are at the college level yet, you may take
a course on Logic/Math and related subjects that covers logical inference.

>>	IRNA said the slogan-writing was the work of Wahabis, an Islamic
>>fundamentalist Sunni sect backed by Saudi Arabia. Wahabi extremists have
>>been blamed for several anti-Iranian incidents in Pakistan during the
>>past few years.
>
>	The Sectarian regime of Iran insists on calling the Criminal
>	Wahhabis of Arabia as Sunni Muslims. The Criminal Wahhabis are
>	a sect of their own and has nothing to do with Islam. The 
>	Khomeist are doing thisd to discredit the Sunni Muslims in their
>	their typical Manner.
>
>	The Wahhabis are considered to the rest of Muslims who follow 
>	the teachings of prophetr Mohammad like criminals. 
>
>	The Wahhabis are as criminals as the Ithna Ashre Sect of
>	Khomeinsism.
>
>
>A Jaber


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: Parinaz@houseoffun.sAghi (Parinaz Komailian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Fun
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:31:12 GMT
Reply-To: Parinaz@houseoffun.sAghi (Parinaz Komailian)
Organization: felbedAheh

Hi guys,

I've recently come across this news group, which seems to be lacking in
one section and that is the funnies section, I personally am for FUN all
the way , life is not worth being so  damn serious about. 

Why do you think we are on this earth for? biologically, beings on this
earth are here to reproduce and continue the process of evolution, so
that we can finally become beings who do not consider the process of
reproduction as FUN any more and just a means of self propagation!

What is this world coming to?! 

I, personally prefer having loads of FUN all the time , so if you are
for this moto , then get in touch with me, so we can have have fun together! 



p.s.      tA shaghAyegh hast, zendegi bAyad kard         OR
          tA zendegi hast, shaghAyegh bAyad kard        (your chioce !)

          doosh deedam keh malA'ek dareh maykhAneh zadand
          kachali rA begereftand, fe re shesh mAhe zadand  !


with regards,

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Suggestion for design of Iranian tee-shirts
Originator: sehari@vincent1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:02:13 GMT

---

A while back, I saw a picture of Iran in it people were wearing tee-shirts
with English language on it.  Even though, I had worn tee-shirts with English
language on it and probably have no choice, but to wear one in future, I 
thought it might be a good idea if we put phrases and poems from our own
good philosophers and poets in Persian on our tee-shirts.  There are much
deeper and more thoughtful massages from molavi, Hafaz, Kayam, Ferdowsi,
Jami and others that could be put on our tee-shirts, than phrases we see
on our tee-shirts in English.  This gives us a chance, to better 
familiarize ourselves with our own philosophers and poets.

Also, we might put pictures of our own great people like Razi, Karazmi,
Abo Ali Syna, Ferdowsi, Amir Kabir, Bozorgmahr, molavi, and others on our
tee-shirts. Moreover, we might put name of our own cities and universities
on our tee-shirts, such as university of Tehran, University of Scince and
Technology of Iran, Industrial University of Tehran, etc...


                      With highest regards,
                           Babak   Sehari.
From: tarokh@server.uwindsor.ca (TAROKH VAHID             )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Some Question About Bahai Faith
Keywords: Questions
Date: 29 Jul 1992 23:49:40 GMT

I am neither a Bahai nor a Moslem, however after your discussions I
developed some interest in the topic and started reading some	
literature such as the Eslemont's Book. I would like to know why
should the Bahais possess an identification card? Second would somebody	
please explain why should you vote for nine people and so on to determine
your assembly and your universal house of justice? Why did Bahaullah chose
nine and nineteen (like the months of Bahai calender). Do these numbers
have special meaning? Third why all the cardholders at once do not 	
determine the universal house of justice members through a democratic
election? Fourth why should you obey the members of the mentioned
house of justice blindly? Is it like Velayate Faghih?!  

Your response will be appreciated.	

Sincerely,

Vahid           

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.new-zealand
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Football Match
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 23:41:10 GMT
Organization: bazi doosti

******  Warning:  The following message contains explicit subject material
******  associated with football.  It also carries a personal message not
******  necessarily useful to all the netters.  My advance apologies to all
******  who would find my message not appropriate for SCI. - HFN

To Dear Sean Namazi:

I have sent you email to the address I got from you last time, but I am
not sure if you received it.  I am posting it to SCI in the hope of getting
a signal from you.

As you had challenged 'us' - the SCI football players in the Bay Area of
Califfornia - earlier to have a 'doosti' game between us and your team from
Seattle, Washington area, I am pleased to announce that I have got a 'go-ahead'
from the crew.  We hereforth "AmAdegiy-e khod rA barAy-e anjAm-e chenin amr-e
kheyri e'lAm mikonim."  Please reply to me as soon as you read this, or if
anybody knows Sean please let me him know that I am looking for him.


Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 324-1055


The folowing chAshni is for those who are dying for a piece of bytes to refresh
some past memories.  During the Summer the local football teams that is,
'timhAy-e mahali' used to play 'gol kochik' from morning to night.  Many times
we would be bored playing against each other.  So with a little pocket money
that we had saved, our team would embark upon a journey to visit other
neighbourhoods and hope to play a football match with its local teams (on
streets of course).

We did not know what was ahead of us; there was to no map to look at and we
had no advance planning.  Somehow we knew or had faith that we would meet the
right neighbourhood and its right players.  The most distiguishing sign that
we could find in a 'mahaleh' was announcements on neighbours' walls indicating
that a local team existed.  For example, we could read signs that would read 
like:

- zamin mahaliy-e roostA (actually this was our sign)
- manchester united-e kooka-cola Amadeh mosAbegheh ast.
- tim-e AhangarAn hameh rA dar ham mikoobad!
- pA tAlAeehA, ghahremAn-e kup-e bAghanAri.

The interesting part was that when we would enter a neighbourhood that carried
such sign, we would intuitively know which house or door we ought to knock in
order to solicit further information.  Many times the members of the other
team would come forward and before we knew we were finding ourselves playing
football with these guys.

This kind of 'blind-match' would also initiate new friendships among us, for
after the game we would invite them to our neighbourhood, or al of us would
go to a restaurant (sure it was a chelo-kabAbi).

That was the way it was in those days.


Regards,

Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 324-1055

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley)
Subject: Re: A night with Sohrab Sepehri
Organization: Alfalfa Software, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 03:34:24 GMT

: 	Place: 1030 Winchester Blvd #100, Between Williams and Payne
A state and country would be useful here, not to mention the city.

-- 
						nazgul@alfalfa.com

I'm not sure which upsets me more: that people are so unwilling to accept
responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate
everyone else's.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian