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From: o.CRepin-leblond@ic.ac.UK (Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond, Olivier M.J. 
      Crepin-Leblond)
Subject: Re: Who is Crepin-Leblond
Organization: Imperial College, London, UK.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:45:01 GMT

>From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
>Subject: Re: Who is Crepin-Leblond
>Message-ID: <nabeel.721103062@oracle.sce.carleton.ca>
>Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 02:24:22 GMT
>
[... stuff deleted ...]

>
>   OK. I acknowledge your supiriority over me, I am no expert anyway.
>I beg your pardon.
>
>   But just for curiousity, why did you give a damn about tracing me
>back?
>
>
>**
>

Nabeel, you have been flaming around for quite a while in this
newsgroup. I must say that sometimes this is beneficial in order
to get discussions going, but sometimes you go too far. Flaming
Egyptians after the most horriffic earthquake in Cairo was just
out of order. Moustafa (I know him, by the way) got well cheesed-off
by your comments and indeed he had every right to be, just like
all the other people you have attacked in the past. While reading
your obscenities, I had conversations with another Egyptian friend
of mine who could not manage to get through to his family for
a whole week after the disaster. He didn't know if his family was
dead or alive. I am sure that there were other people on the net
in a similar situation, and they were subjected to your insanity
at the wrong moment.
So just remember: what you write is read by hundreds of silent readers
and dozens of active readers who will reply to you. One day, a silent
reader can't take any more of your nonsense and replies. That's all.

Another thing which you may want to think of before posting is a
sentence in a document that was written in a report by a large
American computer company in the late 1970s. The report was setting-out
guidelines, tips, and recommendations as to the use of electronic
mail, and conferencing systems such as Usenet. It basically stated
that "everything that you write may be archived, stored, quoted,
with or without you consent, with or without your knowledge,
for or against you, at any time in the future". 
You see, computers have this tendency to archive files and a great
deal of newsgroups are archived around the world, officially or
unofficially. Megabytes of information are hence stored on
Magnetic tapes. So before you write something, think about it
and if it's just there to start wars, don't complain if you
get burned later.



-- 
Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond, Digital Comms. Section, Elec. Eng. Department
 Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine, London SW7 2BT, UK
       Internet/Bitnet: <foobar@ic.ac.uk> - Janet: <foobar@uk.ac.ic>
From: blais@ut-emx.uucp (Donald E. Blais)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Phonetics: Arabic Sounds
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:33:06 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <nabeel.720817137@regulus.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan) writes:
>>The IPA representation of the letter .za' is similar to that used in
>>IPA for the letter dhal.  The dhal is represented with a straight
>>stemmed lower case Greek delta (sort of a mirror image of the number
>>[6]).  The .za' has a crossbar through the stem of the dhal symbol.
>
>   What I know is that the dhal (as in *th*is) already has a cross
>perpindicular to the left-curved stem.

You are right.  I unknowingly used a non-standard text as reference.

-- 
Donald E. Blais             Internet: blais@utexas.edu
Computation Center          Bitnet:   blais@utxvms
University of Texas         UUCP:     uunet!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!blais
Austin, TX 78712            Phone:    +1 512-471-6387 +1 512-471-3241 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:4829 soc.culture.iranian:9712 soc.culture.afghanistan:1197
From: hermi@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Vilayet-e-faqih
Date: 10 Nov 1992 19:32:16 -0500
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

Natural Universal Vicegerency (Takwini Vilayet)

Proven  Vicegerency  and  authority  of  Imam  Ali  (A.S.)
does not mean an underestimation of the position he has on
the  side  of  Allah nor does it make him like the rest of
the  rulers.  The  Imam  has  a  highly  honored  position
and a natural  universal caliphate for which all the atoms 
of the world submit.   It is a logical conclusion from our 
(Shi'i)  premises  to  that  our  Imams possess a position 
which no favored Angel nor sent Prophet has reached.  From 
the narration and  traditions we possess it  was  reported
that the Great Prophet (Muhammad) and the Imams were befo-
re  the creation of this world light and Allah  made  them 
swirl around His Throne, and  gave them a position no one
knows except Allah.   The Angel Gabriel said - as were re-
ported  in  the  Miraj  traditions - if I approach another 
iota I shall utterly burn.  It was reported than they (the 
Imams) said:  We  have  times (halaat) with Allah which no 
favored Angel nor sent Prophet can bear.  This same  posi-
tion was given to Fatima al-Zahra alayha assalam not  that 
she is a caliph, ruler or judge, but because this  favored 
position is something beyond vicegerency, rule or vilayet.  
When we say that Fatima was neither a judge nor a caliph it 
does not mean that she did not possess this quality or po-
sition, nor  does  this mean that she was a regular woman.  
And if any one said " The Prophet is preferable to the be-
lievers to their own " (Quran, al-ahzab), he must have ac-
cepted  that  he has a position above that which is to the 
ruler or governor of the believers. Indeed, we do not deny 
this, but support it, eventhough this  is  what  Allah has 
kept for His own knowledge.
			
		    Imam Ayat-Allah Ruh-o-llah al-Khomeini
                   Islami-hukumat, tabaa 1389 h.s., Tahran
		   pp 52-53.

Here is a quote from Khomeini's book which says a lot about
his belief.  I tried as much as possible to translate with-
out missing the meaning. Please return to the original text
for further information.  I guess this says a lot about what
the ex-Mourshid of the Islamic Revolution in Iran believes 
in. To get more about this issue I refer you to a very good (?)
book by Khomeini himself, Kashf-e-asrar, written in the 1940's
in which he discusses and debates Shi'i issues and attacks 
the Vahabians of his time.

Salam

Ayat Allah al-udhma 

al-abd al-faqir ila rahmati rabbih

Abd Allah al-dha'if al-mustadh'af

Lotfi Diwana
From: mmg@doc.ic.ac.uk (M M Ghanem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Mr Bulbul, Thank you but No
Date: 5 Nov 1992 10:22:43 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk

Dear Bulbul,

I have no interest in exchanging private e-mail messages with you.

If you have anything to say, say it HERE. 

If you want to discuss things objectively and "calmly" we must agree
on how to do it first.

Moustafa


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: zayan@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ahmed Zayan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Hossni Mubarak Jokes.
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:03:26 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

In article <1992Nov10.183744.7396@ugle.unit.no> tarek@solan.unit.no (Tarek Ali Yousef) writes:
>
>	I have been away from  Egypt for a while  now and I was wondering if any
>of you out on the net could breif me on the latest Mubarak Jokes.
>
>
>
>
>	Thank You in advance,
>
>		Tarek 


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Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:4811 talk.politics.mideast:21985 soc.culture.lebanon:4914
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: _\!/_ Ohm Salam _\!/_
Summary: Nice art work at least!
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:24:04 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

Elie writes:

>That Anisa choose resistance for peace, is a sign of good will. Yet do not
>expect her to sit back and try to be passive or reluctant to show her desire to
>see an ocuupied land freed.

:)

>I interpret Anisa's alias as being directed against the Israeli occupation of
>the land of the Palestinians and the South of Lebanon. Here then I support her.

:')

>If on the other hand, she means by this some Islamic Jihad or resistance for
>the sake of implementing Islam as a state religion, then I do not share her
>resistance.

It would be a first from the Nas al-Kitab, eh?  :^)

>Maybe Anisa can explain?


	"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, and do not transgress
	limits (begin not hostility):  For God loves not transgressors.  And
	turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and
	oppression are worse than slaughter.  And fight them on until there
	is not more persecution or oppression, and there prevail justice and
	faith in God; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to
	those who practice oppression."  [2:190-193]

	"Lo!  Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their
	wealth because the Gardens will be theirs.  They shall fight in the
	way of Allah and shall slay and shall be slain.  It is a promise which
	is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Quran."  [9:11]

	"Sahl bin Sa'd (RAA) states that the Holy Prophet (SAW) said:  Guarding
	the border land (even) for a day is better than the world and all that
	it contains, and the smallest piece of land in Paradise equal to even
	your whip, is better than the world and all that it contains.  For a
	person to go on Jihad (fighting or striving) for the sake of Allah for
	a morning or an evening, is better than the world and all that it
	contains."  [Bukhari and Muslim]

	"Abu 'Abs Abdur Rahman bin Jub'r (RAA) relates that the Holy Prophet
	(SAW) said:  The fire of Hell will not touch the feet of a person
	which are covered with dust in the struggle (Jihad), for the cause of
	Allah."  [Bukhari]

There is another Hadith where the Prophet (SAW) says that the greatest
jihad is the internal one, which is the battle against evil and in
striving towards goodness and purity.

As I said before, I might very well be the mother of little Jihad
one day ... so ... take whatever meaning you like.
 
Anisa

	"The fire of Hell will not touch two pairs of eyes:  one that
	sheds tears out of fear of Allah and the other that keeps
	watch through the night in the cause of Allah."  [Tirmizi]
From: ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Arabs & Privacy
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:35:43 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

What do you think of the following:

"Arabs are involved with each other on many different levels simultaneously.
Privacy in a public place is foreign to them.  Business transactions in the
bazaar, for example, are not just between buyer and seller, but are
participated in by everyone.  Anyone who is standing around may join in.  If a
grownup sees a boy breaking a window, he must stop him even if he doesn't know
him.  Involvement and participation are expressed in other ways as well.  If
two men are fighting, the crowd must intervene.  On the political level, TO
FAIL TO INTERVENE when trouble is brewing is to take sides, which is what our
State Department always seems to be doing.  Given the fact that few people in
the world today are even remotely aware of the cultural mold that forms their
thoughts, it is normal for Arabs to view OUR behavior as though it stemmed
from THEIR own hidden set of assumptions."

--Edward T. Hall, THE HIDDEN DIMENSION (NY: Anchorbooks Doubleday, 1990), 
p162.

							Best Ahmad
From: ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arab Unity
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:06:24 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <4322@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ohm Jihad) writes:
>
>I guess that reasoning allowed him to participate in the bloody
>massacres of innocent Palestinian Arabs in Sabra, Shatilla, and
>Tel al-Zaatar without thinking or feeling.
>

You bet!  In his other book, KISSAT AL-MAWARINAH FI AL-HARB [THE STORY OF 
MARONITES IN THE WAR], Joseph Abu Khalil describes how he headed a Phalangist
delegate that took a boat to Israel to ask for their help against
the Palestinians.  According to him, the first word he heard from the Israeli
officer who welcomed them is "What kept you for so long?  We expected you
a long time ago!"  

In fairness to Abu Khalil, he thinks this was the BIGGEST mistake the 
Maronites ever made.

                                                       Best Ahmad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: Re: Israel Apartheid????
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:00:11 GMT

aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>
>And what religion, specifically, is that Danny?  Singling out groups
>because they don't meet the criterion of a *religious* group IS infact
>racist. 

No.  Buy a dictionary.  There are black, mexican, chinese, indian,
white, and mixed Jews living in Israel.  The only requirement is that
you are born Jewish *or* convert to Judaism.  Religion is not race.
Anyone can be Jewish.  Not everyone can be white or black.

It is very analigous to having US citizenship to live and vote in the
US.  You can either be a US citizen by birth or by becoming
Naturalized as a US Citizen (convert).  

(As a side note: I cannot enter many arab countries if I declare I am
Jewish.)

) Before you start defending these policies, you'd better face
)reality first that discrimination on the basis of *race*, *religion*,
)and *gender* IS NOT DEMOCRATIC!  Case in point:  Nazi Germany.

Are you really that stupid.  Are Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Saudia
Arabic, Kuwait, Iraq are not democracies.  What does that have to do
with Nazi Germany?

Further, Israel is just as democratic as the United States.  You have
to be a citizen to vote.  To be a citizen you can either be born or
convert.

roger
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: mjabosm@cs.vu.nl (Mark Bosma)
Subject: Calenderconversion program wanted
Organization: O.V. W.G. TAO, Amsterdam
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:02:05 GMT

Hello,

I am looking for programs or formulas (so i can write my
own program) for the conversion between the gregorian calender
and the islamitic calender. If someone has any
information on this subject please E-mail me.

Mark.

-- 
---  M.J.A Bosma        -  Department Math & Comp.              
---  mjabosm@cs.vu.nl   -  VU-University, Amsterdam, Holland. 
--
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: bashar@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Bashar Khairi Abouseido)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: e-mail addresses to middle east.
Date: 7 Nov 1992 20:35:06 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: bashar@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Salam,
Iam wondering if anybody knows any mail address to any of the middle
east countries other than Israel. Like kuwait, Egypt ...etc ...

Thanks,
Bashar Abouseido
University Of Wisconsin Milwaukee
Computer Science 
 
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna)
Subject: Re: Israel Apartheid????
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:22:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.070011.27848@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
>aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>>
>>And what religion, specifically, is that Danny?  Singling out groups
>>because they don't meet the criterion of a *religious* group IS infact
>>racist. 
>
>No.  Buy a dictionary.  There are black, mexican, chinese, indian,
>white, and mixed Jews living in Israel.  The only requirement is that
>you are born Jewish *or* convert to Judaism.  Religion is not race.
>Anyone can be Jewish.  Not everyone can be white or black.

Since you want to stick to the narrow biological definition of `race'
and `racism', then I am sure you would also insist that anti-Semitism
is not a form of racism.  Right?  Just to be consistent, you know.

As I said in my earlier response to Keren, the fact is that any law/state 
that discriminates against a portion of its population on the basis of 
race, religion, color, or ethnic heritage can be judged `racist' in 
the common usage of the term.   The LoR blatantly discriminates against
about 20% (the minority!) of Israeli citizens who happen to be non-Jews.
It is also an affront to decency, fairness, and justice when at the same
time hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who were expelled during 
successive zionist "ethnic cleansing" campaigns (to reduce the size of
the non-Jewish population to a manageable level and to make room for 
Jewish immigrants) are denied their right of return to their homeland. 

>
>It is very analigous to having US citizenship to live and vote in the
>US.  You can either be a US citizen by birth or by becoming
>Naturalized as a US Citizen (convert).  

What's that got to do with it; we're talking about the LoR.  You seem to 
forget one important point, namely that in Israel's case, a substantial 
portion of its *citizenry* is NOT Jewish.   The LoR (among other laws)
is an exclusivist law that discriminates against a portion of the 
population in favor of the *majority* Jews.  The analogy of the US 
declaring itself the state of the Christian people and instituting
Christian exclusivist laws is quite appropriate.

>...
>roger

Waleed Muhanna

-=-
"All truth passes through three stages.
 First it is ridiculed.
 Second it is violently opposed.
 Third it is accepted as being self-evident."
        --Schopenhauer.
From: oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: >> Who is really "Mr. Bulbul" ? <<
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:21:15 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond, Olivier M.J. (o.CRepin-leblond@ic.ac.UK) wrote:
: In this message, I attempt to shed some light over the identity
: of "Mr. Bulbul". I would also ask everyone to exercise restraint
: with their use of foul language. I am amazed that in the course
: of a year, some people have gone down as low as not being able 
: to write a sentence without swear words. Pathetic.
: 
: So who is "Mr. Bulbul" ? Why does he use foul language ? Is he
: who he really is ? Let's try and find out...
: 
: 
 Sorry to "disappoint" you, but i think that any regular reader of this
group knows that "bulbul" is "an alias" for Nabeel Guzaln. It's not a
forgery, in his early posts he used to sign also bulbul with his name. 
PS : I find his opinions (notice: the opinions themselves, not the manner
in which they are presented) offensive and backward. But he's not trying
to hide his identity (after all, anyone who knows a little bit about computers
and the news should be able to identify him, as you have done)..
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Normand Arthur Beeline)
Subject: Re: Arab Unity
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:20:02 GMT

abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad) writes:

>As discussions on 'Arab Unity' continue, I want to point out that 
>there are at least two very different senses of the word 'Unity':  
>Political unity, and Economic unity.  A little reflection should 
>convince most people that we do not want 'Political Unity' in the Arab 
>world (witness what happened in the former Soviet Union and 
>Yugoslavia).  

   A closer example to support your claim is UAR, United Arab Republic.
And another to refute your claim is USA, United States of America.

>The more successful models in today's world emphasize the second, 
>Economic, sense of the word 'Unity' (e.g. the EC, NAFTA,...).

>If what I say is true, then what does cultural/social similarity have 
>to do with unity?  To put it more forcefully, why does the word 'Arab' 
>have to be attatched to the word 'Unity'?  

   For the same reason the letter 'E' is attached to 'C', or the 
letters 'NA' are attached to 'FTA'.

>Tamer Abdelgawad.

*norm* talAta, talata baS, talAta, ^aLimni Ru'.s!
       How about disco dancers e.g. Amit Batchan? *norm*

  Probably you like belly dancing because you just relax like that
1967 night and enjoy a glass of something. Why hurt yourself and
try to shake that body of yours on the disco floor and break a sweat?

*norm* /|\ Long live aerobics \|/ *norm*


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Dear Egyptians (The Israeli SPY)
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:29:59 GMT

marwang@caip.rutgers.edu (Marwan Gharaybeh) writes:
#dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

##I agree that Arabs are not always described fairly in the Western
##(especially US) film industry. But I don't think it has a lot to do
##with racism, anti-Islam sentiment or anything of that sort. It has
##to do with the fact that the US had its share of clashes with 
##Arab/Muslim states/organizations.

#I agree. However, the only instances that there had been clashes between
#moslem/arab groups and the US is israel-related. the moslem/arab
#people have the blame of creating the illegal state of Israel in
#the heart of the arab land. 

There is no such thing as an illegal state.

#Had there been no Israel I do not 
#beleive that there would have been clashes between the
#Israeli-driven-american-interests and the moslem/arab interests.
#What I said includes clashes such as terrorism/herowism attacks by
#moslem/arab gorilla and may even include the iranian hostages.

No. Blaming Israel for all the Arab vs. Arab and/or American vs.
Arab clashes makes no sense. You want to believe that is the
case, fine, but that's not the way to solve the mideast problems.


-Danny Keren.
From: mmg@doc.ic.ac.uk (M M Ghanem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Who is Crepin-Leblond
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:25:46 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk

Well, He is a networking expert, well known for compiling several FAQs
for networks and internet !

Moustafa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: Oct 1973: Yom Kippur War (To Husam)
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:43:16 GMT

faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris) writes:


>I did not say that Egypt or any arabic country will not benefit, I merely said
>that Israel got the best deal. The facts and consequences prove it.

In a sense you are correct, since what Israel got--peace, although
cold--is worth more to it than all it gave up.  However, when one
looks at tangibles, Camp David was truly a case of give and
take--Israel gave and Egypt took.
-- 
Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org