From: alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss)
Newsgroups: austin.talk
Subject: Re: If you dump Bush, dump Congress too, (at least.)
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:47:23 GMT
Organization: (speaking only for myself, of course)

In article <STEVEC.92Nov12131721@orodruin.tivoli.com> stevec@orodruin.tivoli.com (steve the foolhardy) writes:

>Curt Finch (curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com) writes:
>>> The more money the federal government spends as a percent of GDP, 
>>> the more power they have and the more your rights will be usurped.
>>> 
>>> Those of you who voted for Clinton, who promised to increase spending,
>>> take note.  You also voted to give up your rights.  Congratulations.

In article <STEVEC.92Nov12131721@orodruin.tivoli.com> stevec@orodruin.tivoli.com (steve the foolhardy) writes:

>and the republicans are concerned with protecting our rights?  give me
>a break.  i voted for clinton, and i'm not particularly proud of it,
>but i am glad that GHWB was voted out of the white house.  i'm not
>sure that my rights could stand many more years of republican
>"protection."  

There *may* be hope in wresting the Republican Party away from
its dangerous collision course with history's dustbin:
if either Jack Kemp or William Weld can take over its leadership.
Weld is a libertarian (how far remains to be seen), and Kemp
is a true "small government/economics first" type of person.
On the other hand, if the Pat Robertson's and Pat Buchanan's
of the world grab the Party's shaky reins, sell short -- its a gonner.



>.....  the republican party likes to
>proclaim itself in favor of individual rights and less government.
>however, their actions say quite the opposite.

As I've mentioned to Haugh II, the Repos (along with their Demos
cohorts in Congress) have driven this nation to fiscal bankruptcy,
and presided over the biggest expansion of government in American history.
Rhetoric is nothing -- actions speak louder.


>i recognize that the democrats are just as likely to usurp my personal
>freedom as the republicans are.  the left is just as power hungry as
>the right.  they'll do it for different reasons, but the end result is
>the same.  the democrats will take away personal freedom because it's
>"in society's best interest," (socialist) while the republicans will
>do it because they know better than you what's "right" (fascist). i
>think that it's silly to pretend that we've somehow given up our
>rights by electing a democrat, when we've been watching our rights
>disappear before our very eyes (all for good reasons, mind you) during
>the last twelve years of republican administrations.
>
>steve

By this, I fail to see how voting for Clinton improves the situation
one iota.  Both are just as likely to impose upon your life.
Next up:  forced national service for all able-bodies 18 year olds.


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>"The rights of conscience we never submitted,  we could not submit.  We
>are answerable for them to our God.  The legitimate powers of government
>extend to such acts only as are injurious to others."
>	-Thomas Jefferson,  "Notes on Virginia"

This is the quote I was looking for to share with John Haugh II.

And Curt, Jefferson was NOT a "states rights" advocate in the sense
John C. Calhoun (S. Carolina) was.  He was a true decentralist --
all the way down to the individual!  Having said that, Jefferson was
also a Deist slaveholder wracked with a guilty conscience.  We all
are imperfect.

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