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From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Ranking of UK Universities
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:04:32 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <2ADCF24C.26622@news.service.uci.edu>, cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
> What about UMIST, UWIST, Leeds, New Castle etc ? They are quite
> good in Engineering.

In addition to the overall rankings of the universities, the Good University
Guide also ranked universities according to various discipline.  In
Engineering, Imperial College was ranked first.  UMIST, Loughborough and
Strathclyde was also among the Top 10.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Mat Setia and satellite parabolic antenna and the 5% dude
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:09:51 GMT

songbac@coos.dartmouth.edu (Durian) writes:
: 
: 	It's (not?) fun to see our "Bersih, Cekap dan Amanah" Yang 
: Berhormat caught doing what he prevents others from doing.  It will 
: be worse still if they all act that our 5% minister who said 
: "The prime minister did not ask me to resign blah blah blah" or 
: something like that.  They are supposed to serve the country, not
: the PM or themselves.

Another potential dictator. Presumed guilty even before any trial.
With so many dictators around, it is indeed surprising that we have
a democracy at all.

: 
: 	Let's hope whoever is responsible will resign but I won't put
: too much hope in that.  :-> 
: 

Samy Velu did not realise that rahmat has a permit for a satellite dish.
There was a photo of the permit dated a long time ago, signed by Leo Moggie,
the previous minister for Post and Communications.
	As an information minister, it is very important for him to monitor
those views. He will be incapacitated if he does not have any.
: 

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ktan@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Kaiswee Tan - EECS (cpts330))
Subject: Re: Malaysian Embassy Phone #? Work Permits?
Organization: Washington State University!
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 04:48:05 GMT

In article <BvtF9s.GsH@acsu.buffalo.edu> acsormd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall Desmond) writes:
>
>	Can anyone supply me with the M'sian Embassy(in USA) phone number? I
>don't have time to look it up at the moment. (Please, don't go out of
>your way. I'm not THAT lazy.)
>	I was also wondering how a citizen from another country gets a work
>permit for M'sia. Does my being Muslim help that?
>
>	Thanks,
>		Ismail


 Saudare Ismail,
	The  phone # of Malaysia Embassy in U.S. is (202)3282770 and the
 address is

		1900, 24th Street,
		N.W. Washington,
		D.C. 20008.

	Regarding the work permit, I'm sorry I can't help you cos' I do not
 have any information. Good Luck!


 Kai
 Anak Kelantan, Buatan Malaysia.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: Article by Sumiko Tan of The Straits Times
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:17:38 GMT


In a previous article, mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) says:

>In article <1992Oct14.230951.9018@leland.Stanford.EDU> yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee) writes:
>
>>I think Singaporeans, more than any other people in the world, has quite a
>^^^^^^^^^^^
>>substantial world view.  Compared with countries like the US where literacy
>

>Good thing you say you think 8). Isn't it a little conceited here?


One of my Singaporean friends told me that there was once a survey amongst 
NUS students on general knowledge etc. There was a question, "Which country
is north of Singapore?" and one [1] student could not answer it. 

You might argue that a sample of one [1] is hardly enuf for statistical
inferences. However, it is enuf to make one wonder.  


>>It is unfair to say that S'poreans have a biased view of the world.  Being in
>
>Perhaps a conceited view of the world 8-)?

Agreed.


>-Mann
>
>
>
>
>
From: chai@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ian Chai)
Subject: Re: Malaysia's Atom PC=M$1600
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:57:35 GMT

sci240s@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Wey Jing HO) writes:
>	High in Australia? I don't think so. Comparing some of the prices
>advertised in PC Mag & other USA PC magazines, with the prices here in 

Well, I'm not the original poster, and I didn't try to buy a PC, but
while I was in Melbourne this summer (winter) trying to set my sis up
with email, I discovered that for the average price of a 2400 baud
modem in Melbourne, I could get one of the cheaper V.32bis-V.42bis
modems here in the USA!
From: vcs_teo@csd.uwe.ac.uk (VCS Teo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Satu Bangsa (Way to Forward)..
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:28:48 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <1992Oct14.160946.18370@news.ysu.edu> af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
>
>In a previous article, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) says:
>
>>Dear netters,
>
>

>
>How to achieve this goal? My $0.02 proposals:
>
>1. Get rid of the words BUMIPUTERA and Non-BUMIPUTERA, then we talk.
>
>2. Cross-cultural marriages. 
>
>
>These are the only (non-hostile) ways, IMHO, to achieve a true Malaysian
>race. However, until proposal #1 is abolished, proposal #2 will NEVER
>be easily realized.
>
	DON'T YOU THINK MIXED MARRIGES ARE GETTING MORE COMMON NOW?
	YOU TEND TO SEE THEM MORE IN KL/PJ AREAR.
	
>While on this subject, does anybody know of any TRUE MALAYSIAN food/dish
>whereby the three major races in Malaysia can lay claim to??? The 
>nearest I could think of is PASEMBOR/"Cheh-Hoo" although I'd like to 
>think it is more inclined towards the Indian Muslim community.
>
>ATAN
>
	hmm.. WHAT ABOUT NASI GORENG? YOU FIND THEM IN CHINESE TAKEAWAYS
	IN ENGLAND. DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL FIND THEM IN INDIAN RESTAURANT THOUGH.

===victor===
JANET:vcs_teo.uk.ac.uwe-bristol.csd
OTHERS:vcs_teo.csd.uwe-bristol.ac.uk
From: ufltai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: FAQ update
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:42:54 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

Hiya,
	This is a progress report on the FAQ thingy.  Not much to report!!  I
now have the embassy's addresses, Singapore's PIPs, EDBs, all the USA versions
only.  And not forgetting the NTSC/PAL video archive.
	Hopefully I can some more stuff eh?  Otherwise, going to be a bloody
small FAQ.
	Ciao.

-Tai
From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: internet nodes in Malaysia.
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:59:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: andy.Bvz0rr.8xr
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

Dear Fellas,

	Can somebody give me the list of internet nodes in Malaysia? I 
believe somebody post it in the past and I missed it. Any
help is appreciated.
	Thanx.

Geeva
From: q0c192@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Kok Liang Foo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Singapore
Date: 15 Oct 1992 14:20:23 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bowen.rick.cs.ubc.ca

Hi,
    Like to know if there are any Singaporeans who read this news.....
I would like to have some contacts with any Singaporeans....
I'm from Singapore....and now I am studying in UBC, Canada.
I have seen some messages talking about fines and so on....
Thanks for reading.....
 /
/=-eon

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh)
Subject: Re: Mat Setia and satellite parabolic antenna 
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:28:45 GMT

af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:

>In a previous article, ktan@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Kaiswee Tan - EECS cpts330)) says:

>>
>> According to the NST, Information Minister of Malaysia Datuk Mohamad Rahmat
>> stunned reporters last week when he admitted that he owned a satellite
>> parabolic antenna.
>> His statement followed a report in the Malay Mail that a Kuala Lumpur resident
>> had such an equipment on his verandah. The newspaper carried a picture of the
>> equipment but did not say where it was taken. It only said that the house was
>> located in 'an affluent neighbourhood in the city'.
>> REcently, the cabinet ordered that all privately owned parabolic antenna be
>> dismantled and their users prosecuted.
>> The ban was enforced for fear that direct broadcasting would make undesirable
>> shows, including pornographic ones, easily accessible to the public.
>> Datuk Mohamad Rahmat had said that ONLY the King, the Prime Minister, the Malay rulers, and foreign missions here were permitted to install this equipment.
Does this mean that the PM, Agong, etc can watch pornography while we
can't ???  :-)  Aiyaa...where got fair ?


The Chief Minister of Sarawak has one, too.  How can the government
expect the people to respect the laws when the leaders themselves do not ???

With a satelliet dish in Malaysia, one can access Palapa and AsiaNet.
AsiaNet is a Hongkong owned satellite. It broadcasts it has a sports channel,
music channel, news, etc. It has the potential to topple RTM  easily !
From Palapa, one can receive TV programs from China(no communist 
propoganda  :-)), Pakistan, Indonesia and India. There is CNN relayed to
Singapore, again uncensored news.  

From what I read from Far Eastern Economic Review a few months back,
the satellite broadcasting is improving very quickly !!! Dishes have to
be 2-3m in diameters. This is for the C-band signals. However, the Ku-band
requires only a 1m diameter dish !!!!  (I could have mixed up the Ku and C
band part).  This means that viewers can install a dish without being
detected because of its size. This ban will not mean anything once the
satellite technology gets to that stage. Even now, the Ku band is used in
many satellites.

As I'm from Kuching, there are many satelite dishes erected over the
last year. I've not been back but this is what I hear from home.  Dishes
can be bought and installed for M$3,000. Yep ! They are selling it in 
Kuching, although they can also smuggle it from Kalimantan where such
device is legal !

 
>Yes, I agree...along with "Mat Setia" above, Samy 5% should go too.


>ATAN


>
From: hamdan@iti.gov.sg (Outlander(KSL))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Malaysia Cup [12 Oct]
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:39:51 GMT
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore
Originator: hamdan@atlas.iti.gov.sg


Hi,

	Malaysia Cup results as reported in The Straits Times dtd October 12.

[Home Team]			[Visiting Team]
Terengganu	4	bt	Kuala Lumpur	1

Sarawak		5	bt	Penang		0

Kedah		1	dr	Pahang		1


Scorers List:

Terengganu:	Marian Valach(1), Ariffin Osman(2), Badrul Hisham Abd.(1)
Kuala Lumpur:	Anto Grabo(1)
Sarawak:	John Hunter(3), Peter Kusai(1), Jalil Ramli(1)
Kedah:		Peter Nieketen(1)
Pahang:		Ahmad Yusof(1)


Tables:


		Group A
		P  W  D  L   F   A   Pts.
Terengganu	5  4  0  1  11   7    8
K. Lumpur	5  3  0  2  11   6    6
Sarawak		5  3  0  2   8   5    6
Penang		5  0  0  5   1  13    0

Oct 17: KL vs Sarawak (Merdeka Stadium, 8:30pm)
	Penang vs Terengganu (City Stadium, 8:30pm)

		
		Group B
		P  W  D  L   F   A   Pts.
Pahang		5  3  2  0   7   3    8
Kedah		5  2  2  1  10   8    6
N. Sembilan	5  2  1  2   6   5    5
Perak		5  0  1  4   6  13    1

Oct 17: Kedah vs N. Sembilan (Stadium Darulaman, 8:30pm)
	Perak vs Pahang (Perak Stadium, 8:30pm)

With the above results, Terengganu joins Pahang as the other confirmed
semi-finalist. This Saturday's match will determine the other two semi-finalist.
Stay tuned........adieu.


Disclaimer(ditto to my first Malaysia Cup posting)

-- 
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 Knowledge Systems Lab		    	|	Bitnet  : hamdan@itivax.bitnet
 Information Technology Institute    	|	Fax     : (65) 7773 043
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From: s897460@otto (Alicia Lee Hsia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: ELM  Manual
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:41:54 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: otto.bf.rmit.oz.au


Require Information On Where To Obtain ELM Manual From The System
=================================================================

Can anyone tell me if there is a copy of ELM manual in the system.
Some kind of user manual which I can get from the news or via ftp.
Thanks !

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From: acsormd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall Desmond)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Malaysian Embassy Phone #? Work Permits?
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:27:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BvtF9s.GsH
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Can anyone supply me with the M'sian Embassy(in USA) phone number? I
don't have time to look it up at the moment. (Please, don't go out of
your way. I'm not THAT lazy.)
	I was also wondering how a citizen from another country gets a work
permit for M'sia. Does my being Muslim help that?

	Thanks,
		Ismail
From: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (Old Wolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:47:48 GMT
Reply-To: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK


In article 28817@news.ysu.edu, af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
>
>In a previous article, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) says:
>
>[gulp-gulp]
>
>>Are you saying that the chinese and indians are as discrimiated as the Blacks
>>

[Bulk deleted]


>>If people like you were to be given the absolute power, I'm sure you have
>>no restrain to use it to the extent of "ethnic cleansing".
>
>
>From the above post, I sense that a net-war is just about to erupt. So 
>YA'LL go ahead without me first, ya?  Meantime, I'll just enjoy my popcorn 
>and "rojak".  :)
>
>
>ATAN
>

I was thinking exactly the same thing. I thought of joining it for a
moment, but decided upon your course of action.
This Ahmad fellow seems to have overreacted somewhat to the message
he replied to. I am certainly aware of certain "biases" shall we say
in Malaysia regarding various races. I do not think it would be sensible
myself to deny their existence.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: fmr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Francis M Rotella)
Subject: address verification of an old friend in Malaysia
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 02:19:10 GMT


i would like to get ahold of an old friend in Malaysia, i was
able to find an address from 1990; however, there was no
zip code or Malaysian equivalent.  the question i have is:

does Malaysian mail require a zip and/or could someone comment
on the accuracy of the following address . . . 

			<persons name>
			Belakang Kada Peringat
			Kota Bharu, Malaysia


						thanx,
						francis
From: sci240s@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Wey Jing HO)
Subject: Re: Malaysia's Atom PC=M$1600
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:08:54 GMT

In <1992Oct11.180819.3619@memstvx1.memst.edu> ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

>	Only in USA.  In M'sia, the price of PCs is still very high, for 386's
>and above.  486's still cost M$12000 and above (the cheapest I saw, list priced
>at M$15000+).  I believe that prices for computers are quite high (due to
>taxes) in UK and Australia too...

	High in Australia? I don't think so. Comparing some of the prices
advertised in PC Mag & other USA PC magazines, with the prices here in 
Melbourne, it is not too bad here (thanks to the recession and price-war).
But, it may not be so good for too long as the Australian dollar is not too
healthy at the moment (or perhaps has been not too healthy for a long time).
	Just for an idea, a 486-33 with 4 MB Ram and 130MB HD plus normal
etc (mouse, floppy, serial etc) can be bought for about AUD$2,000 which is
about USD$1,500 .... not too bad in my opinion. I can also get 1MB (70ns)
SIMMs for AUD$45.00 (~USD$33), brand Mitsubishi if you really want to know.
	However, I do agree that PC prices in Malaysia is way too high for
normal everyday school-goers (or even University students) to afford one.
But, since parents in Malaysia (as well as most other countries) are very
particular about their children's education, I found that many of them are
willing to pay through their noses to get the best education for their
children. For example, buying piano, organs, computers and etc even they may
cost thousands of ringgits (Malaysian dollars).

-- 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Wey Jing Ho    Tel: 61-3-573-2567   E-mail : sci240s@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au<
>Physics Dept., Monash University ( Caulfield Campus ), Melbourne, AUSTRALIA<
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From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:03:00 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <ystan.718503057@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au>, ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan) writes:
[munched]
> "Originally", 
> 		Malay 	!=	Muslim ;
> 		     (not equal)
> Islam only comes to the "Malays" in ~ the 15th century, when Malacca was the
> busiest trading place ... So why  do they now want to have
> 
> 		Malay	=	Muslim  ?
> 
	It just is.  It's the law.  For a reason, you will have to talk to the
people who drafted the Constitution.  Don't think many of us here will have the
honor or privileges of talking to them.  Second guessing is not going to do
anyone any good.  So just accept it as another of life's inconsistencies. 
	Ciao.

-Tai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE (sic)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:38:15 GMT

In article <7OCT199216264053@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAUR
NCE GODFREY) writes:
>In article <ld6jgaINN5or@notrees.cs.utexas.edu>, fellow@cs.utexas.edu (H
ng Wei Osbert Tan writes...
>>I understand your concerned, and agree to some of your points. However,
>>do not confuse honest disagreement with insulting a country and their
>>people, just because you don't agree with their government's policies.
>>You didn't, but Godfrey did. It is NOT a fine line.
>> 
>> 
>>You can tell me what is wrong with my parent, but to insult them infron

>>of me and to expect no hostile response from me, is, either I am too st
pid
>>to realise you were insulting them, or I am to afraid to response. We a
e
>>neither.
>> 
>>-Osbert
>
>I insulted your government, not your people.  And less of the "Godfrey" 
lease,
>it's laurence or Dr. Godfrey if you prefer.
>
>Alright, you want to think of your government as your parent.  I didn't
>expect no hostile response - I expected precisely that.  It is extraordi
ary
>how far people will go to defend something that is transparently ludicro
s.
>I wouldn't take offence at all if you insulted the British government, i
 fact
>I would almost certainly agree with you.  Even a supporter of the Tory g
verment
>in the UK would not take offence, but he might argue with you.  It is as
onishing
>how successive the non-democracies of the world are in indoctrinating pe
ple
>and engendering unthinking loyalty of the sort you display.
>
>Laurence
>


  So now you Dr "Know nothing " Godfrey has found out
  culture difference ,Different people etc etc huh  !!!


     Tell me all about it  mann !!!!!!!!
    
  You just have a narrow mind and you just found out 
  post if you realize. since both not always happen 
  at the same time.

  muskie.
  "Shortest book in the world   "" British humor ""     "
From: u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Freedom is a bad thing
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:02:31 GMT

Freedom - the one noble idea that warms hearts.  Utter that word
and eyes become moist.  For freedom men will fight; for freedom
they are ready to sacrifice their lives.  And sacrifice they did;
millions have died for it - and most of them were cheated.  Their
deaths achieve nothing.  Often they contributed to the very opposite
of what was hoped for:

vickeong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Jiun-Wen Keong):
> the western notion and ideals of fundamental human rights CANNOT
> be transplanted from culture to culture and nation to nation at
> anybody's wimp and fancy.

zcakilh@ucl.ac.uk (Miss Chee Mei Yeoh):
> Freedom is not a 'Western' value; I do not think that we should
> transplant wholesale the freedoms that exist in 'Western' societies
> to Singapore

Many - millions - have sacrificed their lifes so that others can
permit themselves to remain slaves in their own way - according
to their hearts' desire.

Voluntary slavery is more repulsive than enforced slavery.
Voluntary slavery is more repulsive than enforced slavery.
Voluntary slavery is more repulsive than enforced slavery.


-Num
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: University of Tasmania (Australia)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:32:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.110231.13089@phillip.edu.au>, t9114206@phillip.edu.au writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep30.084147.25129@nuscc.nus.sg>, eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE) writes:
> > Hello, the fine for not flushing toilets is $150, not $1000 as reported
> > in the previous article.
> > 
> Just wondering ! How do they know if you haven,t flushed the toilet ?
> Do they have a security camera hiddened somewhere ??????? 
> 
> K.K

No, there are no cameras in toilets nor do the Police patrol toilets in
search of people who do not flush. 'Officers' from one of the
other ministries do conduct 'spot-checks' once in a while, presumably
by using toilets and checking if the chaps using the toilet before or
after him flushes. The random nature of the checks, the fine(the
embarrassment is probably felt more than the fine) if 'caught', and
the habitual reflex/response of the average Singaporean who feels that 
the government is not really serious about a law unless it came with a
fine - are probably the reasons why the law could be considered 'effective'.
Now some people might consider it a 'silly law' but it is bloody stupid to
call it undemocratic - unless their notion of democracy includes a fundamental
human right NOT to flush toilets. 

Edmund
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: chai@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ian Chai)
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:02:06 GMT

af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
>From the above post, I sense that a net-war is just about to erupt. So 
>YA'LL go ahead without me first, ya?  Meantime, I'll just enjoy my popcorn 
>and "rojak".  :)

Hey, Andrew, I think I'll join you! Save some for me! 8-)
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