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From: sfwhite@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen White)
Subject: Re: AMIGA TECHNO
Organization: The Justified Ancients of MuMu
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:22:46 GMT

In article <CUBASE.93Jan21025432@kaarne.cs.tut.fi> cubase@cs.tut.fi
(Pekka Martikainen) writes:

> In article <C16AKn.CGM@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> sfwhite@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca
> (Stephen White) writes:

>> i do like my separate sampler (roland S-550)

> I don't like my Yamaha TX16W.

eesh, i don't blame you.  horrible UI on that beast.

> NeXT has some kind of stand alone music production station features, but it
> is not supported by any synth manufacturer, I think. It will take many many
> years, if ever, until you can make equally good sounding music with one
> computer than with some seperate synths and effects devices.
> I don't like all in one packages. There is usually some weakness in one
> area you can avoid using system consisting of many pieces instead of one.

this is true.  however, the original post was suggesting that computers CANNOT
replace so-called "established" equipment such as an S-1000.  if an amiga with
8-bit, low-rate sampling gets the job done, more power to ya.  don't let
*anyone* tell you what you can and can't make music with.

to me, that explains part of the success of techno.  it has a "punk" ethic,
in that anyone can do it.  you don't need multi-track tape or great mics or
even a studio at all.  where do you think all the zillions of unknown techno
songs on all those compilations come from?  some guy in his basement with a
sampler, a sequencer and a DAT machine.  whee!

> ....and you can't get real Minimoog bass from a computer, can you? :)

dammit, no.  oh how i've *tried*.  it's the filters man, it's all in the
filters :)

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From: gregbec@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Greg Beckham)
Subject: spiral tribe
Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:34:10 GMT

has anyone got any news about the SPiral Tribe groups of travelers that
organize raves throughout  england??  I had read several articles about
them in various british magazines, but have been unable to find anything
about them lately...  also, does anyone have any info about this EP they
released: "Breach the Peace"- has anyone heard it?
thanks,

gregbec@gibbs.oit.unc.edu

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From: elombard@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Eddie Lombardi)
Subject: ORB
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:57:09 GMT

The Orb is suppose to be playing in Toronto March 3.  Does anyone have info 
about any other Orb dates. I remember reading an interview and they said they 
were coming to North America.


"Sending you to outer space"

Eddie
From: kap@eng.cam.ac.uk (Kevin A. Price)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: 808 State dates
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:11:48 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

Any release dates for the new 808 State album yet?

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From: magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson)
Subject: Re: REVIEW FOR DAS BOOT PLEAS
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Lund University, Sweden
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:43:52 GMT

In article <858.1191.uupcb@satalink.com> jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski)  writes:
>It is old but worth having...its full of sonar/submarine samples, I am
>surprised it wasnt banned in Germany where it originated because of
>their ban on everything that relates to Nazis etc...

On a tangent, does anyone know the relation between this CD and the
film/TV series of the same name (or at least it was called "Das Boot"
in German. I don't know the English title, but it's a German film
about a submarine during WWII)?
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: AMIGA TECHNO
From: raver909@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Rave Crusader)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:30:03 GMT
Organization: Telerama
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

John Hartnup (hartnupj@cs.aston.ac.uk) wrote:
: Ok let's face it MIDI is great. An Amiga restricts you to 8 note polyphony, 8 voice
: multitimbrality. Not really to hot. You're also restricted to samples only.
: MIDI can control a number of different sound sources : drum m/c, analogue synth,
: sampler (which could be an Amiga!). MIDI sequencers generally have much higher
: resolution than a Tracker player, and support all kinds of weird and wonderful effects.
: MIDI supports effects processors : not much use with the single audio out of the Amiga
: (as you will always want to effect one instrument and not another).
: All in all, yes, you CAN get good results using just an Amiga, but it will always be
: second best. MIDI is much easier (particularly if you can afford Cubase) but sadly
: more expensive.


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Thank you! Thats all I can say! Thank you John. You said everything I was
trying to communicate to them.
Amiga is fine for expirmenting with stuff to get a taste of production but
a well equipped MIDI studio is far supperior. And if you have a
workstation type sampler with a built in Sequencer (like my EPS) then you
really don't need Cubase for live gigs. Cubase
 is good however in editing.

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Let the bass kick...
From: giovanni@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Giovanni S Capriglione)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Raves NE
Date: 27 Jan 1993 13:45:09 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

	Although Ive never been to one (and dont know much about them) my 
friend has and said it was fun... Was wondering if there were any upcoming ones in the Mass-Conn-RI area anytime soon?

Thanx,


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From: dedos3@wsinfo11.info.win.tue.nl (Wilco Boumans)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: AMIGA TECHNO
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:27:02 GMT
Reply-To: dedos3@info.win.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands


I think the discussion concerning amiga techno here intermixes two discussions

One is about the MUSIC, good music can be made on any equipment, even an Amiga
or PeeCee (with soundblaster).
It is, however, more difficult to make interesting music on such a limit
machine, which is why a lot of people use midi-machines.

The other part is about SOUND. A lousy record can be made with equipment worth
thousands of dollars. A good record CAN be made for a few hundred dollars.
Almost always, the expensive record will SOUND better, but still I'll prefer
the cheap one.


Wilco
From: akenning@zeus.calpoly.edu (AK)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: XL
Keywords: XL
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:42:44 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

Can anyone give me any info on XL - the first recording - ?
   


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From: ccjy@bristol.ac.uk (APATHY=)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: AMIGA TECHNO
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:21:36 GMT
Organization: University of Bristol, England

In article <1993Jan18.230454.237@crash> tfinn@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier) writes:
>In article <1993Jan18.154013.29541@telerama.pgh.pa.us> raver909@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Rave Crusader) writes:
>>I don't have to, ready the zines, I don't recall one producer ever saying
>>he did such and such song on a computer with Soundblaster. Tell ya what,
>>find me a song that was done on a Soundblaster or Amiga and has been
>>pressed up om vinyl.   
>
>	Hmm... wasn't U4ia's 'Bomb your Bass Bins' on some compo CD
>out there somewhere? I remember seeing it...
>
>agrier@gompers.gompers.edu (real internet addy)
>tfinn@crash.cts.com (UUCP address)
>
>Jim???


Well Aaron, i was just wainting for them all to conclude that no amiga ever
made it on to vinyl or cd or whatever and then i was gonna drop the bomb on
their conclusion.
Yes I have got an AMIGA MOD. file on CD.
the track is called "Watch your bass bins" and is coming out on cd.
Its a compilation CD, but so what???
Up the Junction lives .

Stick that in your s-1000 sampler and eat it.
I used a trilogic sampler with 8-bit quality sampling at 40khz and dragging
it down to 20khz.  Don't tell me my music on the amiga can't make it to vinyl.
I have another MOD file here that almost made it to 12" press.
The only problem was cash flow.
Watch out for "Suburbass Commando"

My friends

U4ia

p.s.  Aaron, thanks for pointing it out to the "midi lives, amiga sequencers
      suck big time" crew.
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: timothyt@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Timothy Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Raves around Edinburgh
Keywords: raves, Scotland, Edinburgh
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:25:46 GMT
Reply-To: timothyt@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Timothy Taylor)
Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

I've recently arrived in Edinburgh and have been disappointed
at the apparent lack of raves in the area. There must be some
around... Any info would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Tim.
From: Drn
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: where is drn/noaksie?
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:53:02 GMT
Reply-To: cs92bbm@brunel.ac.uk
Organization: Noaksie's Bass Plum Control Factor




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From: jbiafra@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ding a Ding Dang My Ding a Long Ling Long)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: techno equipment
Date: 26 Jan 1993 03:18:54 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

I think in "PAC MAN" by Power Pill, at least the one of OFTH#2
The vocals were done on a speak 'n' spell, weren't they?  I've never played a game of pac man that actually had speech.  just the dumb music.
and "wokka-wokka-wokka"

Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: kkoller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Capt. Sarcastic)
Subject: Re: AMIGA TECHNO
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 07:23:15 GMT

raver909@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Rave Crusader) writes:

>To reproduce it exactly as you hear it thats why. I don't sample at 44.1
>Khz all the time, I use the Nyquist frequency as a guide line. If you
>don't know what that is its double the highest frequency you are sampling,
>for instance if you were sampling an opern hi-hat or a crash cymbal that
>had a frequency of 18-22 Khz you ou would want to sample it somewhere
>between 36-44 Khz. Understand? I wouldn't sample an 808 Kick at 44.1 since
>there is no reason to. Its not that high in frequency to warrant such.  

Actually, it's "Nyquist's Theorm."

>I'm talking about underground zines like Under One Sky and Global Techno
>Power. The reason that everyone wants a TB303 is because of the widespread
>publicity of what they are and they amount of killer techno used making
>them. If I sayed my analog synth with MIDI emulated a 303 rather well then
>the price of it would go up as well and they
>(because they aren't produced anymore) would also
>become hard to find.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"I wanna be just like everyone else.  Same equipment, or the music is shit."

Later

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From: jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski) 
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: BOING!
Date: 28 Jan 93 09:32:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434
Reply-To: jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski) 

Are techno/rave videos sold in the UK? [on VHS, BETA whatever], maybe
compilations? if so how much are they and where can I buy em...
From: sho@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Sho Kuwamoto)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: looking for
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:19:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.211343.10491@markv.com> jay@markv.com (Jay Skeer) writes:
>o bombrada, by ?

O Bumbratta is also by Apotheosis.

-Sho
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From: Mike J. Brown <mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: re: pics of us all
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:53:05 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

There is a GIF of me, Todd Sines, Damian "dieselBoy" Higgins,
and our friends right now on cs.uwp.edu in pub/incoming/pictures/alt.rave,
under the name ohio1.gif.  but grab it fast; soon it will be replaced with
a JPEG (smaller file, different format, same quality).

ohio2.gif is a GIF of dieselBoy spinning at the Smart Bar in Cleveland,
where they have a mixer with *knobs*.

ohio3.gif is 3 color pictures from House of Euphoria rave in Cincinnati
back in November.  One is of people dancing, one is of Richie Hawtin, one
is of Kevy Kev.

All of these will be replaced with JPEGs soon, so if you don't have JPEG
viewing or GIF-JPEG converting software, you'd better grab the GIFs while
you can.
                                                            Mike Brown
_  _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient
From: jnixon@spam.ua.oz (John Nixon)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Reactivate & Carl Cox
Summary: Great comps!, Killer DJ?
Keywords: compilation, disk, jockey
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:59:22 GMT
Followup-To: alt.rave
Distribution: world
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide

Getting away from rave politics and club policy for a bit...

I have been listening to Reactivate #1 everyday for a few weeks now
after not listening to it for ages (I got it when it first came out).
Is it my imagination or is this just about the best techno comp to ever
come out on CD?  Some of the later ones aren't bad either.

Carl Cox the 3-deck wizard is coming to town in about a week.   As I
kind of made a New Years Resolution to not do *quite* as much
clubbing/raving this year as last (unsuccessfully kept so far :-), I'm
soliciting for opions on the *must* *see* rating for Carl.  Will I be
required to bury my head in shame if I ever have to admit that I failed
the see the guy mix?

All opinions welcome.

--
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Department of Applied Mathematics, The University of Adelaide, SA, AUSTRALIA
       "Moby" Sample of the Week: "Yeah.  Everything will be alright."
From: pa_ross@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Mr Rossy)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Rave or Techno?
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:03:00 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <1993Jan18.222144.19613@rose.com> greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp) writes:
>
>Date Entered: 01-18-93 17:18
>Quoted From: sfwhite@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen White)
>> 
>> i rave BECAUSE of the violence in the world.  i rave in SPITE of the
>> self-righteous madmen happily dropping bombs on people like you and me and
>> calling them "collateral damage".  i rave IN PROTEST against the stupidity of
>> mankind. i rave IN HOPE that one day we will grow up to be more than childish,
>> hate-filled vessels of destruction.
>> 
>
>I would like to suggest the above as the offical alt.rave quote of 
>1993 (so far).

Agreed !

If we were to drop E's on iraq, rather than bombs, the world would be a much
better place.

					Fantas 'E'
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From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp)
Subject: Re: techno equipment
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:47:02 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-25-93 22:44
Quoted From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
> 
> greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp) writes:
> 
> >> frequency oscilator and a Saftey Speak N Spell.
> 
> >Why didn't I think of that?  What an awesome idea.  I believe mine is 
> 
> Didn't Kraftwerk use a Speak n' Spell at one time?
> -- 
> I will not fight about digital vs analog.  I will not fight about digital vs a
> 
> DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
> Pete Ashdown    pashdown@slack.sim.es.com    ...uunet!slack.sim.es.com!pashdown
>

  Not sure (I have never really listened to Kraftwerk).  However, I 
would like to say that my Speak&Math has some excellent rave/techno 
sounds on it.  Specifically, the one before you play the game 'Word 
Problems' (just before it starts talking).  They have already been 
incorporated into a (mod) song I was working on.  Now I'm off to find 
other electronic devices with output jacks on them ... :)

greg.ipp@rose.com / rev@cibbs.uucp
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From: akenning@zeus.calpoly.edu (AK)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: techno equipment
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:52:45 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

>would like to say that my Speak&Math has some excellent rave/techno 
>sounds on it.  Specifically, the one before you play the game 'Word 
>Problems' (just before it starts talking).  They have already been 
>incorporated into a (mod) song I was working on.  Now I'm off to find 
>other electronic devices with output jacks on them ... :)
>
>greg.ipp@rose.com / rev@cibbs.uucp
>---

Well Greg, you get even better sounds from your speak&math if
you exploit a bug in the software...
found this bug when speak&math first came out since I was the type that
always had to take everything apart and figure out how it worked :)

anyways, this is from memory so the key combo might be wrong
hold down the word problems button while turning on the power, then hit
the '+' button. Any listen to what your speak&math has to say....



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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: paganism and rave
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:20:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.195920.8437@wam.umd.edu>
reagan@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (read my .plan it's FREE) writes:
 
>can somebody tell me the relationship between paganism, new agism and
>rave/techno music? seems to me some techno groups try very hard to label
>themselves "pagan" and all that. is this just a recent thing or has it
>been there ever since techno was invented?
 
It's relatively recent.
The primary basis of the original Techno philosophy is all about
learning to control and guide the progress of technology as we
leave the industrial age. Paganism is a product of the agricultaral
age and was probably first associated with Techno via raves in the
UK in the late '80s. Just one of the many things that changed when
techno hit the UK.
 
>i'm a christian, i like techno music, but i'd like to be a little more
>cautious on this.
 
Paganism is more likely to mentioned in association with rave than techno.
Comparisons have been made with raves and Dionysian festivals,
 
>please, no christian bashing. i just wanna know what's behind all this,
>and at this point, i have made no value judgement.
 
But I will: stay home and crank up the Techno! :) Halelujah!
 
>thanks!
 
>-matt
 
--Eric
 
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Detroit, Michigan  USA     I've a mind    Like a machine"
From: jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski) 
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: HO!
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:13:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434
Reply-To: jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski) 

Anyone know where I can pick up the tickets for MOBY&PRODIGY show in
Philly?? where is it going to be anyways???? CANT WAIT!!!
From:  (Flange Controller)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Reactivate & Carl Cox
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:19:18 GMT
Reply-To: cs90rwr@brunel.ac.uk
Organization: Leon's special kind of day.


Personal opinion:

Carl Cox == Carl Cock.

Fair enough I think.

John'n'Shep.
Organization: Junior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:07:52 -0500 
From: "Kip G. Moore" <kip+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Looking for Ambient FAQ


I think somebody posted on alt.rave a FAQ on "Ambient" music a while
ago, but I lost the post.  If someone could repost this FAQ or better
yet send me a cop-e, I would be eternally grateful.

-k2u
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching)
Subject: Re: AMIGA TECHNO
Summary: Adding more gasoline to the fire .... 
Keywords: Amiga , MIDI  
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:27:32 GMT

Having slogged my way through the AMIGA/MIDI posts, I have to wonder:

 Don't they sell MIDI interfaces for the Amiga in the UK, the way they
do in the US? If so, is anybody in the UK buying/using them?


				Larry "Thread Gardener" Ching
				larryc@netcom.com


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From: mbranch@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Branch)
Subject: Warp Discography?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 04:23:20 GMT



 As the subject line mentions, does anyone have a discography
 for the Warp record label?

 Thanks,

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