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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Date: 14 Nov 92 13:52:53 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Nov12.074535.5129@utstat.uucp> by philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough):

> The Emplant board is very nice in concept. Noone has one working yet, and it

    People do have working EMPLANT boards, according to recent
    postings in the emulation newsgroup.

> still needs the Mac ROM's. I wonder how Amiga users would feel if people
> were to start cloning the A4000.

    Pointless question, because they wouldn't be able to clone the
    4000.

> Philip McDunnough
--
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: A1200 - yay or nay?
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:26:13 GMT

In article <n0d87t@ofa123.fidonet.org> Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>                          The A1200: yay or nay?
>Great points:
>  14Mhz, 32 bit EC020 CPU
>  AGA chipset and full 4x bandwidth 32 bit fast CHIP RAM.
>  Internal 150 pin slot with the full CPU bus, and a rear access panel.
>  PCMCIA slot.
>  Built in HD interface - IDE.
>  Kickstart/Workbench 3.0

   o opens the market up to third-party support via expansion bus
   o no deinterlacer required, which leads to increased professionality
     of software

>Bad points:
>  880K floppy instead of 1.76M.
>  One piece design.
>  No fast ram standard.
>  No improved sound (same as A4000).
>  IDE and not SCSI.

But, allusions have been made to additional configurations. And with the
expansion bus, DSP support and accelerators should be cost-effective.

>  Final  verdict:  Its a LOW END machine, which makes the built in keyboard
>excusable...

Ditto for the 880k floppy. At the moment, there are no software packages
distributed on 1.76 MB disks and this is even less of a concern with a
built-in HD.

>If you want lots of expansion, speed, ram and disk storage, you
>shouldn't  be  looking  at  a  low end machine such as this.

I'll venture to say that with the exception of card slot expansion, speed,
memory and storage will soon be within the realm of the A4000 for a fraction
of the price.

'Yay' for me as well.
From: seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& MENSTRUAL JOKES
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:01:02 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1dbje5INNab9@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.155141.7047@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert) writes:
>
>If you were an English major, you probably wouldn't screw up.

and I didnt.....

>
>
>>A fine flame, but a bit pretentious.
>
>You're telling everyone how cool it is to slap womens' asses, and
>you're telling ME that I'm pretentious?  Definitely NOT an English major.

I didnt say it was cool, I only said I could (and I can, but its definitely
not cool...  but again, I can)  (i almost want to use a smiley, oh god, Im
becoming a amigoid/hacker geek)

uh, I would think it would be pretentious for anyone from the state o cheese
to use words with more than three syllables, but hey, its ok to try, greg...

>
>>mike seifert, befnubblebrolic garfarblax from centiuron (?)
>
>That's Centurion.  Watch your capitalization.  centurion is a
>different planet altogether.
>

you screwed up the spelling, cheeser.... (but I aint one to point it out...)
I understand how the flame was ruined by my refusal to capitalize...

Really, you shouldnt be so careful with your writings, this is america you
know, we really arent supposed to give a shit (thats the bloody brits job...)
Also, what if the planet centurion is at the beginning of a sentence...  Will
I just have to know which someone is talking about ffrom the context??

mike seifert, defender of the american way (much like judy reisman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Oh my God!  Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:15:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.120425.6245@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.134303.6859@city.cs>, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov8.220520.6234@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>>	I used to have an Amiga and when I went to a PC I vowed to
>>>make sure it did mroe than my Amiga did and it does.  My PC blows
>>>away any Amiga I have ever seen in terms of graphics, sound, animation
>>>and multitasking.  Hence, OS/2, 16 megs of memory, 24 bit coprocessed
>>>graphics, an Sound Blaster Pro.
>>>	By the way, never had a problem with it since I bought it (2 years
>>>ago).
>> 
>> As a matter of interest, could you please tell me how much you
>> paid for this PC?
>> 
>	Sure, it cost just over $2400.  It costs more than an Amiga 500 no
>doubt but that is irrelevant.  The Amiga costs more than the c-64 but
>that doesn't make the c-64 better.  Of course, it would likely cost
>more to get a similarly equipped Amiga.  

Yought a 486 **2** years ago and it cost $2400??!  And added the
extra RAM to get 16meg total, and 24bit graphics, SBPro,...all for $2400?
You _sure_?

Maybe today - sure could get that - but 2 years ago?
Would you itemize all that?  I agree that PCs get pretty cheap, but they
had to *come* *down* from _somewhere_.

>> Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
--
Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
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lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: **** A1200 Info **** (200+ lines)
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:24:26 GMT

In <13462@ecs.soton.ac.uk> efp90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Pritchard EF) writes:
>Huh? I am under the (informed) impression that 65536 `True (ha ha)
>Colour' mode was only availiable in 320*200 mode on the Falcon...

It should also work in 640x200 or 640x400/interlaced.

Regards,
-- 
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From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: Oh my God!  Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: City University, London
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 13:43:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.220520.6234@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>	I used to have an Amiga and when I went to a PC I vowed to
>make sure it did mroe than my Amiga did and it does.  My PC blows
>away any Amiga I have ever seen in terms of graphics, sound, animation
>and multitasking.  Hence, OS/2, 16 megs of memory, 24 bit coprocessed
>graphics, an Sound Blaster Pro.
>	By the way, never had a problem with it since I bought it (2 years
>ago).

As a matter of interest, could you please tell me how much you
paid for this PC?

>						-Brad

--
Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
From: eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why ...
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:32:19 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: eas3714@ultb

In glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila) writes:
> In chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:
>
> >There's a reason for this.  when selling units in foreign countries, all
> >that's required is packing in a new power supply, not ripping the whole
> >computer apart and installing a new one, or producing a version for each
> >country.
>
>       This doesn't make a brick better for ME.  (When buying a new computer,
> I don't care at all what kind of power they use in other countries)

Why do you care if there's a brick or not?  You're trying to find excuses,
dude.

>
>       Here it is again!  Add, add, add, "The 1200 is more expandible"
> (read: featurless).  If the 2 systems are simularly priced, then what are you
> paying for on the 1200?  Your main argument is "why make people who aren't
> going to use it pay for it?".  Well, if Commodore saved all this money by not
> having these features, and it is about the same price as the Falcon, what
> do I get for the money that was saved?

Please tell us... What is the price of the Falcon?  Is it #399? Is it $600?...
how much is it?  You have NO facts to back up your main assertion.

> P.S.  Only intelligible responses needed, I am still giving the 1200 a chance
>       before I buy a Falcon.  (I have almost got enough saved up and have
>       definently narrowed it down to either the Falcon030 or the 1200.  I am
>       just having trouble getting meaningful info on the 1200).

Don't be such a goober, then.  Wanna know how to get information on the
A1200?  Try : "WHat are the specifications for the A1200?" or "I have these
needs, will the A1200 fill them?".  DON'T post a list of reasons why the A1200
sucks, or whatever and then expect a civil response... you won't get one.



-- 
"THAT is a DRY turtle.  That turtle is NOT moist!"
Ezra Story, a student at RIT, and
eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu, his trusty(?) mailing address.
From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 16:37:48 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek) writes:

> 	Instead of stomping on the rights of advertisers, why don't we stop
> the goverment and a few elitetists from repealing the rights of these women
> and the rest of us. I'm talking about letting the Amercian people be taught
> how to use handguns for self defence, given consealed weapons permits, and 
> allowed to buy handguns. You would see the crime rate plummet. Attacks 
> against women will also drop. 

I think the only thing you would se is a lot of people with holes in 
them...

I guess you could combat drugs in the same way. Give it away free and 
you get rid of the problem with people selling drugs.

You could also combat burglary by giving every citizen a crowbar and 
outlaw burglar alarms.

And so on, and so on...


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From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Subject: Re: Games and the C64...
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:31:28 GMT

In article <leifv.45.721136426@dhhalden.no> leifv@dhhalden.no (LEIF HUGO VARUM) writes:
>>And what about Steve Coleman's Pharaoh's Curse...?  Man, I sure miss 
>>Synapse....
>So do I...but just in case you didn't know; there exists a Pharaoh's Curse 
>(PD) for the Amiga and it's a complete clone of the 64 version, same sound, 
>same gfx and same exellent gameplay!

Really!?!?!  Please EMail the address where I can find this sucker... I'd be
really curious to get a look at it.  I've toyed with the idea of writing ports
of Shamus and Fort Apocalypse over the last couple of years, but never started
them due to lack of time and lack of desire to trample on the copyrights that
exist on the originals.

>I've also heard about an Amiga version of Frantic Freddie for Amiga (also 
>just like the 64 version).

If you know of an FTP site for this too, I'd appreciate hearing about it.
And what about MULE...  sad that it never got ported.

>BTW: Has anyone mentioned Bruce Lee yet?

The DataSoft Bruce Lee?  Actually a pretty good game.  Played it a lot on 
both the 64 and the Atari 8-bits...

-- 
 Jerry Kuch (jerry@cs.mcgill.ca)  |  Author of "Death By Boredom" Vols I - IX
 "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.
  Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet."
                  --- M. Burns  "Treehouse of Horror II"
From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: **** A1200 Info **** (200+ lines)
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:42:20 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Klaus Pedersen (micro@imada.ou.dk) wrote:
> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
> >You could also use BOBs.  You'd have to use the base 64-color
> >registers for the background and make your BOB's in ham surrounded by
> >one of the base 64 colors on one side.  But careful planning of your
> >graphics could make that indistinguishable. 
> 
> OK, "the background can have 64 colours, right!"
> - That is not very nice do you think so?
>   Even an A500 can do that.
> 
> "But the BOBS can have real HAM inside! Wow!" 
> - Why not use 64 colours for the background and the 192 for the BOBS?

Because both bobs and background can have 256 colors. Or more by using copper.

> On the Falcon030 you can have 65536 colour background and 65536 colour 'BOBS'.
> (even though it probaly is faster to plot them with the CPU).

Yes you can. You can also move them at 1 frame per 5 seconds.

> (65536 colours is a differend colour to every pixel in a 256x256 pixel sprite!)

It is not a sprite in a way 'we' understand sprites. Also a 256*256
object on Falcon does not move too quickly on the screen.

> The Falcon030 uses 1 wordaccess for each 2 truecolour pixels (written w.
> movem.l).
> 
> The AGA BOBS uses 4 wordaccesses per 16 bits of the BOBS. 

Have you been drinking? :-)

With CPU Falcon can write 2 pixels in true color mode with one
write-instruction, however you have to add a few more accessess if you
plan to move something on the screen. To just write 32 pixels one
needs 16 writes to memory.
	To write 32 pixels on a HAM8-mode to Amiga-screen with CPU one
needs only needs 8 writes on AGA-Amigas, 16 if one uses blitter.

> This is (4*8/16 = 2 wordaccesses/pixel), 4 times slower than the Falcon030.

You are kind funny when you forget that the true-color modes steal
bandwidth from the CPU and slow it down in memory moving a heck of a
lot (a lot more than what the arc-test someone did with Falcon slowed
tha machine down (it slowed only upto 50%).

> Which one will have the fastest graphics, -and- the most colours?

Amiga and Amiga.

-- 
Jarkko Lindblad         | Those people who tell you not to
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi |   take chances
------------------------| they are all missing on what life is about
This space if for sale  |                        - Metallica
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Upsurge in CD-I ads
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:29:17 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <Paula_Lieberman.071o@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>Well, since Philips -dropped- its line of MS-DOS/Windows machines.....
>
>
>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

That's right.  Philips pulled _all_ of it's Magnavox labeled computer 
equipment out of the American market place.  They weren't ready to fight
for shelf space.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
From: glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why ...
Date: 6 Nov 92 06:06:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: falcon.1dec6qINNl2n
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: falcon.natinst.com

In article <1992Nov6.163714.2271@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

>The fact is, none of these can be found on the Falcon either because the
>Falcon cannot be found.  It is still vaporware, while the A4000 and A1200
>are both shipping.  Atari continues to practice its policy of announcing
>machines long before anything actually ships.

	Funny, I can't find a 1200 OR 4000, and I HAVE been looking.  Besides,
even if I could find a 1200 I am not so impatient that I couldn't wait another
2 months to be able to compare it to the Falcon before making my decision.

>Wasted on the average user.

	This does not hold up when the 2 systems being compared are similarly
priced.  (Why not get more features if it is free?)

>Oh boy, LocalTalk!  Hold me back, I need a Falcon now!  Get a clue, have
>you ever used a bunch of Macs on a LocalTalk network?  Slow as molasses.

	I use Macs and LocalTalk every mon-fri and let me tell you, it is
a much better solution than sneaker-net!

>I've heard of Codecs, but I don't have any idea what a "CD Codec" is.

	That would be one of the CODECs that is used in CD players. duuhhh...

>Don't worry, the SCSI-II from C= will blow away whatever the Falcon has
>to offer.  I'd be surprised if the Falcon could even keep up with the
>SCSI-I in my A3000.

	Where can I plug my CD-ROM drive into the 1200?

>Ugly ST case again, sheesh!  Guess they had two many screwed-up function
>key caps to change the design.

	Oh yeah, the A500 case is a real work of art.

>Oh yeah, all the serious audiophiles are going to love the silly little
>mini-stereo plugs for both input and output.  What a joke.

	Again, how am I to do samples on a 1200?

>Ever heard of a hard drive?  I've got an 880k floppy on my A3000, but I only
>have to use it if I'm installing new software.  Of course, having an Ethernet
>board in my A3000 helps, something you may have trouble adding to the Falcon.

	This makes an 880K drive better than a 1.4M drive?  Please explain.

>Crippled by a single bus and 24 bit expansion port.  Given those limitations,
>Atari would have been better off using a 68EC020 and saving themselves a bit
>of money.  Given the sum of its parts, the Falcon is not going to have the
>greatest profit margins.  

	As I understand it, the 1200 is shipped with chip-RAM only.  The
duel bus architecture doesn't do any good if this is the case.

(Skip's incredibly creative top 10 list deleted)

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& MENSTRUAL JOKES
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:01:33 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1d9oe3INN1gr@uwm.edu> <1992Nov5.052858.19768@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>
  <BxIuH1.1K8@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>

>Has it occured to you that you are making a complete fool out of your in
>front of hundreds, if not thousands of people, some of whom you may be
>interviewing to get a job from someday?

He needn't worry about that. By definition, nobody important reads these
newsgroups.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: Oh my God!  Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: City University, London
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 11:45:19 GMT

In article <root.02qj@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>One of the reasons that people feel that they have to run MSDOS (blech!) is
>that it is entrenched in universities.  In an EE course, FORTRAN compilers
>are important, and probably attainable through student discounts.  If a
>course requires that documents be delivered on floppy in MS Word format,
>then an Amiga won't help.  If circuit design requires the use of specific
>CAD software, then the Amiga won't help.

Well I am given to understand that Wordworth 2 can output in MS Word
format - I'd have to check it out specifically. Then using CrossDos
you just hand in your floppy.

>The purchase of a computer for college work is controlled by the constraints
>of the school that you are attending.  Unfortunately.

The Amiga can overcome those constraints :-)

--
Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
From: barrett@quincy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PC, Redneck President, and other bad news. (was Re: Amiga 1200)
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:37:13 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@quincy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

>In article <36732@cbmvax.commodore.com>, daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>>Get a clue.  If you're comparing IQs, the Bush/Quayle administration set an
>>all time low (its only close competition was the Reagan/Bush
>>administration).

In article <1992Nov5.175226.6176@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>	Um, hate to tell you this, but even the press agrees that
>Bush was one of the most intelligent presidents we have ever had.  

	Oh yes.  It takes a lot of intelligence to lie to the public and
(practically) get away with it.  And he must be pretty smart from the way he
talks to "the American people" as if they were morons; his initial
announcement of the bombing of Iraq was so dripping with condescension
("X is good, Y is bad, kids") that I nearly vomited on the TV set.

	Clinton wasn't my favorite either (I liked Tsongas), but I hated
Bush.

	Note that this did not appear in c.s.a.hardware like everyone
else's postings are doing.  PLEASE learn to set your Followup-To: lines.

	Obligatory Amiga comment:  I wish I had an IFF image of Bush
so I could morph him into something resembling honest.

                                                        Dan

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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A1200 - yay or nay?
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:08:15 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <n0d87t@ofa123.fidonet.org> Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>
>                          The A1200: yay or nay?
>
>  I  don't  see any excuse for not having ... and space for a 3.5"
>hard  disk.  I can see not having a detached keyboard - 

Well, this belongs together: You must actually have seen an A1200, just
besides a normal A2/3/4000 or PC keyboard: They are practically same
size! And when you open the A1200 case, you see that there is indeed
not enough room for a 3.5" drive. But I am confident that the prices
will definitely fall for these 2.5" drives, as they are used now in so
many computers. I think this could even turn into an advantage some
day. And we *have* to think in long terms, remember when the A500
came out and what peripherals were back then!

-- 
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