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From: x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:53:49 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Oct12.090608@IASTATE.EDU>, jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
> In article <1992Oct11.204149.5752@gw.wmich.edu>, 894waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>> In article <1992Oct11.195937.22312@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu
> (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>> > In article <1992Oct11.133157.5749@gw.wmich.edu> x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu
> writes:
>> >>In article <1992Oct10.234954.23589@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu
> (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>> > 
>> > AW:
>> >>>>	THE PROHIBITION OF SWINE IN ISLAM, JUDAISM, AND  CHRISTIANITY
>> >>>>
>> >>>>	Thus, it may be concluded without doubt that the swine or pig is
>> >>>>definitely an impious and unsanitary animal.  
>> >                  ^^^^^^^
>> > ----------
>> > GA:
>> >>> 1) Times have changed and almost all pork eaten in western countries 
>> >>> are raised on farms that are fed nothing but the best stuff (far more 
>> >>> hygenic than the chemical contaminated grasses that Asian cows/goats
> eat).
>> >>> If I read your definition of trash right, then the modern swines have
> never 
>> >>> tasted trash. 
>> >>
>> > ---------
>> > AW:
>> >>	You are right when you talk about the pigs fed and grown at different
>> >>forms (not wild pigs) for business purposes in the Western Countries.  But 
>> >>Western countries  does not make the whole world. What I stated was in
> general 
>> >>and not for Western countries (pigs grown in forms) only.          
> ^^^^^^^^^
>> >>
>> >>Akhtar Waqas.
>> >>
>> > ---------
>> > GA:
>> > Yes, western countries do not make the whole world.   But would you agree 
>> > that eating pigs in western countries is not an impious thing to do since
>> > they are not contaminated ? Since you say that your statement was `in
> general',
>> > does this `general' cover all the countries ?     
>> > 
>> 
>> Dear Brother Gopal,
>> 
>> 	Pigs by nature has the property, I stated earlier, and considering its
>> structure I would answer with a "No" to you first question. By "in general" I
>> mean the world or planet Earth.  In addition to the previously stated
> property
>> that pig body posesses, it has another property i.e:  
>> 
>> 	The pig does not reproduce like other animals.  More than one male pig 
>> uses the same female pig.  The father of the child is not known.  This is a
>> dirty act and no other animals does it.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> How do you account for the fact that it is legal for muslim men (under certain
> conditions ofcourse ;) to marry upto 4 women? Not a dirty act then eh ;)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Your Brother,
>> 
>> Akhtar Waqas.
>> 
>> 
>> > As for the 3rd world countries, I think labelling a pig as `impious' is 
>> > appropriate since the common man cannot understand the word `unsanitary'
>> > but he understands `impious' (I hope this reverses some day). 
>> > 
>> > regards,
>> > --   
>>  
> 
> 
> 
> --Javed.

Dear Brother Javed,

	Please read item 20576.

Your Brother,

Akhtar Waqas.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: karnik@myria.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:41:05 GMT

In <1992Oct12.130947.5767@gw.wmich.edu> x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:

>In article <1992Oct12.141742.5822@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy) writes:
 
>>            Dear brother which country you are talking about, or are you
>>  talking about medieval period. All countries I know of , have nearly
>>  1:1 male:female ratio.  Also, why four only , if ratio is six
>>  according to you.

>Dear Brother Raja,

>	I can see that you are not knowledgable of world's or your own country's
>statistics.  I strongly urge you to check world ratio for man and woman at your
>library if you have one.

	Beg pardon janab, but you'd better check *your* facts. While Raja might
not be accurate in claiming a 1:1 ratio, it is more in the range of 920-940
females per 1000 males (i.e. close enough to 1:1 but NOWHERE near 1:6)....

>Akhtar Waqas.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran   Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dept. of Computer Science,      | Email: karnik@cs.umn.edu
University of Minnesota         |        karn0001@student.tc.umn.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: slm1y@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: overall view on pakistan
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:01:32 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

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From: rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout)
Subject: Re: The Jalali Wirid
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:56:44 GMT

Mr. Khan

Do you have any proofs that this was done at the time of the prophet (SAW) ?
Since this is a type of Ibadaa (Worship) then we cannot invent our own but we
must follow what Allah and his Messenger have set forward to us.
Otherwise, it would be a bidaa (invention in religion) and as you may know every
bidaa is a dalala (misleadingthing) and every dalala leads to hell fire.

So please, get your proofs or otherwise stop this directly. 
I doubt that just saying the name of Allah for 5000 ??? times could cleans your
heart. In fact instead of wasting your time doing so, read Quran which Allah has
commanded us to do and UNDERSTAND its meaning because Quran was not sent to us
just to recite without meaning it was sent to us for applying it in our daily
life. And while reading Quran if your mind slips, do not continue. Stop regain
your concentration and then proceed in reading AND understanding.

rached
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: rathoret@sumax.seattleu.edu (Tariq Rathore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Naukri
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:49:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.5411
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: International Software Jobs
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:18:13 GMT
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: hdeshma@eos.ncsu.edu (HARSHAVARDHAN  DESHMANE)
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
Followup-To: soc.culture.pakistan
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:29:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.182730.27224@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
>In article <13OCT199208420774@vxcrna.cern.ch>, mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes:
>|> In article <1992Oct11.162648.2256@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>, ARKAY@LELAND.STANF
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

is this a stanford machine? I guess you could figure out who 
forged you, from the system adm. at that machine.


ORD.EDU (ABDUR KHAN) writes...

>|> > 
>|> AMAAN MIRZA MIAN....I THINK YOU ARE IN THE WRONG SECTION DUDE!
>|> THIS IS CULTURE OF PAKISTAN, WHICH IS AN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC NOT A 
>|> NATION OF BEER DRINKING JERKS LIKE YOU!!SORRY FOR THE OFFENSIVE BEHAVIOUR
>|> BUT YOUR NONSENSE POSTINGS ARE DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!
>|> 			<KoOL>>
>|> 
>|> 
>
>Dear SCPians,
>i did not write the above article, as i would never use the word "Amaan"
>
>sahibzada rafay khan [ drink beer or oj and live happily ever after]

thought I should point it out..

regards,
harsh
p.s. I know what the consequences of someone impersonating you and 
posting to alt.sex.motss ( and I didnt even know what the hell that 
meant)..

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Harshavardhan Deshmane, ECE Dept.                   hdeshma@croc.ece.ncsu.edu
North Carolina State University.                    hdeshma@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Awami Disco Party - a Statement on Naveed Shervani's behalf
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:39:37 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

ahasan@cae.wisc.edu (Ali Hasan) writes:

>Though one thing that is here and not there is that one is not punished
>for asking questions. Which means only the brave can ask questions in
>Pakistan, and everyone can do that here.

I wouldn't put it in terms of "bravery". I like to argue/question a lot.
In my home and till high school, people sometimes considered that kind of
behavior as nuisance. So, usually I would stop arguing/questioning after
a while because it became pointless. I mean nobody would "punish" me but
it was clear that many either felt "insulted" or "hurt" that I would
question them even though my questioning had nothing personal. Only after
I joined college (in India) did I begin to find some free exchange of
thought.

Sumitro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:50:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.084734.5755@gw.wmich.edu> x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>	I think you are talking about Islam and Muslims.  Well, Islam allow a
>man to get wed upto four women if he can do justice among them, if not he has 
>to marry only one.  First to explain why is it that a man is allowed to marry 
>upto four women?  Well, my brother, if you check man to woman ratio in your 
>country and rest of the world you will come up with the statistics similar to 
>this: six females for one male.  Now, my brother, if you get all the men 
>married to one and only one female, you will be left with five female without 
>husband.  Now, what about those five female left over, is it justice to leave 
>them as they are or should one do something about it?  Doctors say that
>psychologically and biologically she needs a mate and it's not good for her
>health not to have one.

It always amazes me to see articles like this.  I mean really!  The six
to one female to male ratio sounds like someone's fantasy rather than
reality.  Would you care to back this ratio up with documented statistics
on world population?  

Secondly, where have you gotten this idea of what "doctors say" about women?!?
Again documentation of these allegations is definitely called for.  It 
appalls me to see such generalizations about women on the net.  A mate
is no more psychologically and biologically necessary for women than it
is for men.  Choosing to have a mate is a matter of personal preference.

>> While eating lamb chops do you generally worry about the parentage
>> of the lamb and the sexual morality of its biological parents? 
>
>No, because it is not dirty by nature, as pig.
>
>> While killing a lamb/chicken do you generally worry about the sex-life
>> of its possible surviving mate?
>
>No, because it is not dirty by nature, as pig.

So if animals such as lambs and chickens follow the established guidelines 
of proper hygeine, their sexual habits and/or preferences do not become an 
issue.  However if they should fall from good decent hygenic practices, then
their philosophy of multiple sexual partners should be called into question.

Aaaaahhhhh!  Now I understand, NOT!

Yasmin

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*  Yasmin Sohrawardy                *  "Only Nixon can go to China"      *
*                                   *                                    *
*  Internet:  ys3359@csc.albany.edu *            - Ancient Vulcan        *
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From: 894waqas@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: soc.culture.pakistan
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:14:13 EST
Summary: Jesus MightyProphet NotSonOfGod
Reply-To: Gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu
Followup-To: soc.culture.afghanistan
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Oct7.154024.23208@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.100009.5666@gw.wmich.edu> x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>ASalam-O-Alaikum,
>>
>>		I would like to inform you about a latest research going on in
>>the field of biology called CLONNING.  What is Clonning?  Well, it a process by
>>which a baby is born without any male intervention.  How?  What they do is:
>>
>>	1.	Take OVA out of FEMALE body.
>>	2.	Take CELL out of FEMALE body.
>>	3.	Take the NUCLEIUS out of the CELL.
>>	4.	TURN ON all the GENES and place it on the OVA.
>>	5.	It starts dividing into cells.
>>	6.	Ultimately develops into a FETUS.
>>
>>	This research is done by Americans (Christians) and not Muslims.  Now
>>the Christian beleive that respected Jesus (peace be on him) is son of God 
>>because he (pboh) did not had any human father and God must be his father.  The
> 
> I can already see future Newspapers screaming 
> "Evidence of clonning found in Jesuit era. Hallaloueyaaa...". 
>  
> E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.


My dear brother Gagrawal,  
	
	It is not clear from you statement what you want to say.  Further more
if you have any doubt about this science you can check it up in your library
and if you find me misinforming you, please correct me.  

Your's Brother,

Akhtar Waqas.
From: imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Clinton/Gore '92??!!!! Was Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:22:16 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

Excellent points made by previous poster(s).  I f we Muslims do not
get ourt act togetyher then why the hell ywould anyone in the West
pay attention to our needs/problems/issues

As far as the American political support for Israel is concerned you 
have to remember that the financial support o the Jewish community is
one of various reaons.  Do not forget the major influence the Jewish
community plays in controlling the media (eg press, TV, film)

Unfortunatly a lot of people I talk to find it easier to balme all
problems of the Muslim world on the Jewish conspiracy, Zionist Lobby,
etc etc

What I have seen from experience in the media industry in the USA is that 
the Jewish people make a concerted effort to do well in certain 
industries, and the media is one they focus hard on

What I cannot understand ios why do the M<uslim rich individuals/state
not make an effort to do something similar  except for the recent
UPI sale to some Middle East interestys I have seen dozens of such
opportunities go by

eg The Daily News in NY (afterthe death of the Jewish owner Maxwell) was
up for grabs, and guess who were the interested parties, everyine
from the owner of USNews & World Report Zuckerman (quite anti-Arab/Islam
in his personal articles on the inside back page) and other similar ones
like Kalikpow etc

Why do we not have some Shaikhs or others putting up money to try to byuy
Daily News and other such papers, TV stations, etc

That jerk ruler of Kuwait I think is the guy who spent MILLIONS of $$
buying a hotel in th middle of nowhere that Keating had uilt with
money from his S&L.  It is literally a hotel in the middle of nowhere!
Yet the Kuawaitis had the money to buy it but no one seems to have seen
the media related opportunities

On another level, less corporate more personal/oindividual. Jewish people
will spend a hundred or so Dollars per person to get together a hundred, 200
or so people to take out full page ads in the NYtimes and other syuch
papers expressing outrage/opinion/appeal etc n some issue or the
other.  Can't we do that?

I would like to take out a full (heck even a quarter page ad in the NY Times
on the Op Ed page ) pointing to the Kashmnir issue hypocricy of the USA
if there are enugh people to equally share the expense so we all can
also have our issues in the public eye, or the Palestionian issue or
whatever issue, in the conciousness of the Amertican people

I wonder how many of us would get together and do somethinglike that?

Imran

PS I am on a new system that has the terminal settings scrweed up so
I cannot delete /backspace, excuse the typos

IA
From: rk@hls.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: PakistaNews : save, uudecode, and view in GIF viewer
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:08:19 GMT


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This is a real neat idea. Of course, if only textual info is going to be sent,
you might as well send it in ASCII. It'll be really exciting if you plan to 
include photographs (of them "exquisite" Pakistani models, especially :-)). 
That'll demonstate the real advantages of this format.

All the same, an original (?) idea.

---
S Ramakrishnan, Hughes LAN Systems Inc., Mountain View, Ca
From: v122npej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Sareer A Fazili)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: RE: Kashmir Video
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Khalid,
It is with God's grace that someone on this net decided to raise some
questions concerning Occupied Kashmir. Any video which is available on Kashmir,
whether it be made by the pro - freedom lovers of Kashmir, or the colonizing
Indians, can be obtained from the Kashmiri American Council, headed by our
Executive Director, Dr. Ghulam Nabi Fai. We are working towards the
implementation of UN resolutions 1947 and 1948 concerning plebiscite for all of
Kashmir.Also, based in England, is the World Kashmir Freedom Movement, headed
by Dr. Ayub Thakur. He may also have any and all videos which you seek. I do
not presently have their addresses with me, but I will post them here on the
net for anyone else who may be interested in learning about their Muslim
brethren being slaughtered like cattle in Indian Occupied Kashmir. 

Regards,
Sareer A. Fazili
Kashmiri American Council
From: azeem@juliet.caltech.edu (Azeem, Mohammad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Asian models? : Flattery
Summary: ahemm!
Keywords: modelling agencies and advertising
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:06:00 GMT
Distribution: world,na
Organization: California Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: juliet.caltech.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


 fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (Ms F. Khurshid) writes...
>> 
>> >Flattery will get you ..................nowhere!
>> 
>> Sorry, but I can't disagree more emphatically!
> 
>Sounds as if you've had some success..:-)

     I tried and failed. Helplessly watched the villain
     abscond with my sweetheart. Damn, or did I get the
     characters all mixed up! ;-)

>> Are you trying to tell me that flatterers don't
>> get what they seek? ;-)

>Well that depends on what they are 'seeking'  ;-)

     Oh, please I pray thee, don't force me to be more
     explicit. I was raised as a good boy and intend to
     remain one. ( A momemtary lapse of memory )
> 
>......NOw am 'I' reading YOU right..............too many inuendo's here ..time
>to go me thinks ;-)
> 
>Farha [rather get flattery than flames] khurshid

     On the contrary, I would much prefer an old flame 
     over a flaterer. Tangible assets are not to be 
     scorned at. ;-)

Mohammad (rather get flames than flattery) Azeem


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From: ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Clinton/Gore '92??!!!! Was Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:41:02 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

>
>	   And, we should be glad for that. Kashmiri people are seeking
>to rescue themselves from clutches of foreign interference (primarily
>India) already. It hurts to see compatriots endorsing USA's role as
>world police.

Do you condone foriegn interference from Pakistan too?
>
>
>	   Being a Kashmiri, I not only feel sorry for them, but also
>recognize that the solution must come from within.

Which part of Kashmir are you from?  The Indian part or the Pakistani 
occupied part?
>>
>>It is true that Pres. Bush bobmbed the hell out of Iraq, but there was oil, tell
>>me which President would not have done so? 
>
>	   I hope that no one supports Bush because you want interference
>in a country's integrity. If Saddam raped Kuwait once, Bush can't seem
>to get enough of raping Iraq. What gives US the right to enforce a no
>fly zone in a territory that does not belong to them? Is this newage
>colonialism? If it weren't for Saddam none of this would have
>happened, if it weren't for Bush, Saddam would have not been alive
>right now. 
>
>>I don't want my taxes raised, especially since I'm on the verge of making mucho
>>dinero. I don't want a consistently pro-Israeli, anti-Pakistan foreign policy 
>>the way democrats are so expert in implementing. Perot '92. 
>>zafar
>
>	   Perot is the next worst thing after white supermist. We would
>be well-advised to find what he really stands for... not USA, but UWA
>(United Whites of America). 
>
>	   Salman [dsqa-jna '92 :-)] Azhar
>
>-- 
> I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
> I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
> I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
> I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar