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From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: Pythagorean Reform Church
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:24:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.223351.7317@ac.dal.ca> hartigan@ac.dal.ca writes:
>> With the divine guidance of 4 I am starting the Pythagorean Reform
>> church to spread the Gospel far and wide. With the guidance of 4
>> I hope we can soon bring the message to the world over the PBN
>> (Pythagorean Broadcasting Network).
>>
>
>This is FALSE and UNTRUE! You are obviously under the INFLUENCE of the EVIL
>number SQUARE ROOT OF 2!  

Die Apostate false decieving prophet!!!! May your soul be reincarnated
into a bean which is turned into tofu!

>The TRUE Pythagorean Faith was revealed to me
>and 256 of my followers by the DIVINE DODECAHEDRON on December 12, at 
>midnight, 1991. 

The wicked apostate relishs in the wicked number 2! 256=2^2^3 how close
you are to taking the square root of 2 !

>With the AID and GUIDANCE of this divine HELPER, I have brought forth into
>this age a NEW DISPENSATION of PYTHAGOREANISM!!!!

The wicked deciever is obviously a Christian with that stuck caps lock
key!

>My BOOK is titled :"144 PROOFS THAT THE DIVINE DOECAHEDRON CREATED THE EARTH
>IN 12 DAYS - with sundry HERESIES REFUTED!!!!" 

WICKED Christian numbers!
Repent of your false numbers 10 is the true number.
           .
          . .
         . . .
        . . . .

>(only $12.12 for a copy!! order now!!)
>
>REJECT the APOSTATE "REFORM" Church!!

Rejecting the "Reform" church is to reject the numbers which form the
basis of the world.

>___________________________________________
>
>      *  Join the Restored Pythagorean Unreformed Church!
>      * Repent of your evil apostasies and bean eating ways!
>      * Reject the number 4! Worship the DIVINE DODECAHEDRON, just like
>	the Good old days!!
>      * Just send a LOVE OFFERING (any amount - but NO irrational amounts!)
>      *	to hartigan@ac.dal.ca, PROPHET of D.D. in this degenerate age
>

Be it known that this wicked man sent us a check for $PI! He is an evil
user of irrational and unconstructable numbers.

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\    /        Repent of your evil irrational numbers             . .
 \  /   and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart!        . . .
  \/   Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568  . . . .
From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Logical Fallacies
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:03:13 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <graham.716103392@galois> graham@maths.su.oz.au (Graham Matthews) writes:
>madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
>>REDUCIO AD ABSURDUM
>>Similar to Slippery Slope, this argument trivializes a statement
>>into a ludicrous example.  One Reducio ad Absurdum example would
>>be: If you're going to let 18-year-olds vote, why not 12-year-olds?
>>Why not 5-year-olds?  Hell, let everyone vote!  Then big families
>>have more votes, and kids will vote for whoever promises free candy.
>
>One should also be careful about mistaking genuine question for
>REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM. Take censorship. I would argue that once you
>censor X then you can make a case for censoring Y, then Z, ...
>This is not an absurd argument - it is simply a way of questioning
>and finding out where the boundaries are.

Also, Reductio ad Absurdam is not a logical fallacy, but a
perfectly valid way of disproving an argument (so long as
it is conducted by means of valid reasoning, of course).
The technique is to grant the assumptions implicit in a
claim and then proceed by valid reasoning to show that the
granted assumptions lead to an absurd result (preferably
a self-contradiction).

The 'Slippery Slope' is not of itself a logical fallacy.
It is a rhetorical device that can be valid or invalid,
depending upon whether the consequences it predicts are
based upon valid or invalid reasoning.
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From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Subject: Re: Knoweth not.
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:41:37 GMT

In article <18quelINNfat@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:
>
>		I knoweth not a mortal who knoweth divinity. Nor have
>I ever knoweth one who knew a divinial erudith mortal. I feel I shalt 
>knoweth divinity. I scoff at charlatans who claimeth to know divinity,
>yeth canst showeth not; those who are prodigaleth of mystics and show
>derisiveness towards the even minded and the temperate.
>

Verily, verily, I sayeth:  Wherefore the fucketh dost thou
scribble in the manner of goofeth translations?

-- 
| Eric Sieferman            |    sieferme@u.washington.edu          |
| U. of W., M.C.I.S.        |    (206) 685-3104                     |

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From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:11:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.232915.28606@bmerh85.bnr.ca> dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.220303.8589@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep15.194712.24771@bmerh85.bnr.ca> dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes:
>>>Look, if you don't believe in morality, then it is sheer stupidity to
>>>claim that it is logically flawed for somebody to say that, eg., murder
>>>is immoral.
>>
>>It is not stupidity to claim that A does not imply B, even if you don't
>>believe in A.
>Please substantiate this claim, keeping in mind that I don't believe
>in "not stupidity."
It can't be substantiated. The stupidity/not stupidity dichotomy is
axiomatic. However, if you do not believe in "not stupidity" then
your original statement that "It is sheer stupidity to claim that
..." is meaningless.

-Ekr





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From: jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Christianic Sacrificesdir
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:35:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


Not all Christian churches are completely loony.  The Catholic church,
while it has more than its fair share of nut cases (most of which are
in the College of Cardinals) is fairly reasonable.  Plus, it helps
if you realize that according to their (the Catholics') definition,
the Church should really be 'the people of God', and not the organization.
Or any organization.  There is nothing to indicate in the Gospel that
Jesus came to found an organized religion, only a social movement.
If you try thinking of people who believe in Jesus as partly people of
God and partly people who would like to be people of God but misin-
terpret what appears to be God's will, you get a very small, but very
non-crazy, actual REAL LIVE CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

I hope.
-- 
Jessica McGeary
jmm25@po.cwru.edu
Case Western Reserve University
Remember! Arguments should be FUN!
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: End of the World... US only, apparently
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:41:07 GMT

In article <18688.2ab35b9e@levels.unisa.edu.au> 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (Wild Child) writes:
>I think this is just an American thing. After reading that, I went to
>check out a couple of barcodes - NONE of the real digits looked anything like
>the three guard bars - ours consist of two thin lines extending lower than the
>rest of the barcode. My guess is somebody at the development stage in US was a
>theist trying to bring about the Revelation prophesy....

but two thin lines extending lower than the rest of the barcode
IS a six. two thin lines is the code for a six.
they DO extend below the barcode, that is why they are CONTROL codes.
does anyone know the ISO for this thing?
now that would be interesting.  it must be an
international standard, as Wild Child has actually
indicated that bar codes in Au contain the 666 control code.

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
From: reno@alt/pcnewsps.msu.edu (Gerald L Jr Reno)
Newsgroups: alt.pcnews
Subject: The news we've been waiting for
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:15:36 GMT
Reply-To: reno@cps.msu.edu (Gerald L Jr Reno)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: reno@arctic.cps.msu.edu

OK, this is a news group....

Where is the news we've been waiting for? When are they going
to start selling mass-market 586 machines?
Newsgroups: alt.pcnews
From: fangs@leland.Stanford.EDU (John Wesley Lewellen IV)
Subject: Re: The news we've been waiting for
Keywords: P5, Intel
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:38:03 GMT

You mentioned a "ramp-up" - how does this differ from merely
popping another chip into a '486-SX's spare socket?

- JWL IV
Newsgroups: alt.pcnews
From: lindh@uhasun.hartford.edu (Andrew Lindh)
Subject: Hello World
Organization: The University of Hartford
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:08:50 GMT
X-Posted-From: skynet.hartford.edu
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Hello everyone!
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From: coolidge@zk3.dec.com (Bayard R. Coolidge)
Subject: Re: The news we've been waiting for
Keywords: P5, Intel
Reply-To: coolidge@zk3.dec.com (Bayard R. Coolidge)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 14:08:28 GMT


--

"Ramp-up" refers to the amount of time it takes to go from, say, announce-
ment or prototype availability, to when a given item is routinely avail-
able in large ("production") quantities. That is, the amount of time from
when you hear about some goody for the first time until you as a retail
consumer can actually buy one without too much of a problem. It's related
to the complexity of the manufacturing process, the amount of material
available, etc. It's unrelated to how it's used once sold.


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From: coolidge@zk3.enet.dec.com (Bayard R. Coolidge)
Newsgroups: alt.pcnews
Subject: Re: The news we've been waiting for
Keywords: P5, Intel
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:30:12 GMT
Reply-To: coolidge@kz3.enet.dec.com (Bayard R. Coolidge)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


--
What's a 586?

If you ask Intel, you'll be told there's no such animal.

If you ask them about the "P5" (which is the follow-on to the '486, to
which your posting obviously alludes), then you'll be told that the chips
will be available around the end of the calendar year at the very earliest
or perhaps sometime in the first calendar quarter of 1993.

I haven't looked in comp.arch lately, but there was a fairly lively
discussion about it a couple of months ago. The information about the
availability was released in late July or early August, I believe.

As far as actual machines go, I would suspect that they'd be available
almost immediately after the chips start shipping. The ramp-up in DX2-based
machines (as opposed to simple upgrades obtained by plugging chips into
existing spare sockets) has been pretty fast, so I suspect we'll see
the same sort of ramp-up when the P5 ships.


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From: florence@infonode.ingr.com (John Florence)
Subject: Re: Hello World
Followup-To: /dev/null 
Organization: Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:03:03 GMT

               Hello yourself..............    8{)
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From: hougen@deci.cs.umn.edu (Dean Hougen)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Halflings (Was: Re: Bahamut the Dragon)
Summary: E.G.G. invented nothing.
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:18:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <1992Sep4.164912.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>
>If you have only encountered the name Bahamut in gaming, it is possible that
>they all stemmed from the original idea in the Monster Manual (witness the
>proliferation of halflings).
>
>--Semhaza

Tolkien's were the original halflings, not Gygax's.

D.F. Fjellhaugen
--
"Say something once, why say it again?"  - Talking Heads
From: amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Malen (was Re: (Celtic myths))
Date: 6 Sep 92 03:20:09 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin

Judyth T. Gibson writes:
>Reading Patricia Kennealy (hope I got the spelling right) I've run 
>across "Malen, the goddess of love and war".  I haven't found any
>references to her outside of these books.  I think she was also 
>referred to as Red Malen; does anyone have any info. on this?

According to Patricia, she got the name Malen from an old (circa
1914), out of print novel called _The Fates of the Princes of Dyfed_
by Kenneth Morris.  In this story, Malen is referred to as "Malen
ruddgoch ren," or "the war-red war queen."  Patricia is not certain if
Morris made Malen up, but she believes that he did.

The goddess Sion of the storms she made up, and the name of the
goddess Gwener, who is sort of a goddess of beauty, came from an
astronomy text which said that the Welsh (or Cornish, she couldn't
remember) name for the planet Venus was Gwener.  

She also says that she got a lot of ideas from Morris' book, and that
if anyone is lucky enough to come across a copy they should by all
means read it.

Hope that helps...

>Judy

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: montgojw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (II Jerry Montgomery)
Subject: Re: Bahamut the Dragon
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:09:07 GMT

Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep5.155812.25503@cs.wm.edu> cc@cs.wm.edu (Chris Michael)  
writes:
> 	I think I sent this to somebody's personal mailbox; sorry,
> i mashed the wrong button in xrn. Anyway, it seems to me that
> Bahamut could be an alternate transliteration of the Hebrew
> word "Behemoth." (e.g. Beth-He-Mem-Vau-Tau). I don't know if
> that's really the Hebrew spelling...
> 
> 	-cc
> 
   I know little or nothing about Bahamut, but the Hebrew definition  
sounds the closet to me.  In case anyone cares, Tiamat is actually a  
Sumerian Diety-type personnae.  Literally 'chaos', she reigned over the  
caos.  When her spawn, the Sumerian deities, decided they wanted power,  
they sent Marduke to fight her.  He defeated her and made her body the  
earth and her blood the firmament.  The hebrew word 'tehom', or primordial  
waters, which Yahweh is said to have been floating over before He created  
heaven and earth is believed to be a corruption of Tiamat.  One  
interesting note:  H.P. Lovecrafts Cthulhu is a male counterpart to  
tiamat.

                     Ia!  Cthulhu Ftagn!
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: kbest@doc.novell.com (Karl Best)
Subject: Re: What languages do you know?--**The results**
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:19:21 GMT

In article <BuDI3x.FHL@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy  
Brown) writes:
> In article <16866@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, rlwinter@tomatillo.engr.ucdavis.edu  
(Richard Lee Winterstein) writes...
> >I'll refrain from making comments, apart from two:  I was surprised at how  
well
> >German placed.  Also, considering how often Irish and Welsh myths are 
> >discussed, I was surprised not to see those languages represented.  

I'm not sure that I see the connection between language and myth, i.e. why do I  
have to know Greek to read Greek myth? (BTW I do know a fair amount of Greek,  
but it is for NT studies.) I've never read mythology in the original language.  
Everything I've read has been in English translation. Knowing languages, I  
realize that reading anything in the original is probably better, but with so  
many good translations available, what is the need for the average myth reader?  
So why the surprise that few can read the Celtic languages even with many  
Celtic myth enthusiasts?

--
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karl_best@npd.novell.com                  -Roger Waters, Pink Floyd
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Bahamut the Dragon
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:49:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep4.084629.7423@muddcs.claremont.edu>, jpark@jarthur.claremont.edu (Jae H. Park) writes:
>    The first time I encountered the name Bahamut was when I was 
>    playing an RPG game called "final fantasy", and Bahamut has also
>    come out in several other RPG's that I have played. Then, I stumbled
>    unto the D&D manual and so on.
>    I was talking with my friend the other day, and he did mention 
>    some correlation between "Bahamut" and "Baphomet" which you mentioned.
>    He also thought that Bahamut originated somewhere in the middle east,
>    but we both said that we could be wrong. And so, I'm still waiting for
>    any info that can shed light upon this matter.
>    Also could you provide detailed info about"Baphomet"? I'm pretty
>    sure that there is some correlation between the two, who knows,
>    they might be the same Dragons after all.
> 
>                                               Thanks.

Baphomet is a corruption of "Mohammed." During the Middle Ages, the Knights
Templar were accused of heresy and of worshipping either a grotesque head or a
black cat, which they called "Mahomet" or "Baphomet." Mahomet was a popular
spelling of the prophet's name in Western Europe at that time...so to answer
your question, no, they weren't the same dragon, although it is still possible
that the name served as an inspiration.

If you have only encountered the name Bahamut in gaming, it is possible that
they all stemmed from the original idea in the Monster Manual (witness the
proliferation of halflings).

--Semhaza
From: millerl@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Halflings (Was: Re: Bahamut the Dragon)
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:10:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Newt World Order

In article <1992Sep14.221854.11151@news2.cis.umn.edu>, hougen@deci.cs.umn.edu (Dean Hougen) writes:
> In article <1992Sep4.164912.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>If you have only encountered the name Bahamut in gaming, it is possible that
>>they all stemmed from the original idea in the Monster Manual (witness the
>>proliferation of halflings).

I always suspected that Bahamut came from Behemoth, the male chaos monster
(giant serpent, dragon, whale, etc) that is a sort of jewish mythical
counterpart to the sumerian Tiamat, who was a female chaos monster (giant
serpent, dragon, whale, etc).

> Tolkien's were the original halflings, not Gygax's.

Tolkien's halflings were "hobbits", not halflings. Gygax coined halfling as a
neo-logism just like treant, to worm out of the Tolkein estate's legal action.

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From: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Looking for Miranda
Summary: Nothing to find
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:14:58 GMT
Organization: Vampire Research Group at Berkeley :)
NNTP-Posting-Host: whirlwind.berkeley.edu

In article <BuD8E7.K7z@Novell.COM> kbest@doc.novell.com (Karl Best) writes:
>I'm looking for any references to Miranda in classical myth. I can't find the  
>name in any of my references. All I can find is in Shakespeare. I know that he  
>got a lot of his characters from mythology, and I seem to recall that the name  
>came from mythology but can't remember where.
>Why? We just named our new little girl Miranda. Her sister is Cassandra. 
>--
>Karl Best                              Far away, across the field
>Novell Tech Pubs           ...  __o    the tolling of the iron bell
>Provo, Utah  801-429-3428 ..   -\<,    draws the faithful to their knees
>kbest@doc.novell.com      ...(_)/(_).  to hear the softly spoken magic spell
>karl_best@npd.novell.com                  -Roger Waters, Pink Floyd

   Sorry, but Miranda _isn't_ in myth, classical or otherwise. It's a Latin
word meaning "To be wondered at" - "Admired Miranda," as Ferdinand puts it
in the play. According to the essays in the back of my copy, some of
Will's imagery comes from a contemporary translation of the _Metamorphoses_,
but that's the closest I can come to a classical source.
   Can anyone else do better?
	Cosma Rohilla Shalizi
	lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu to friends
	larval physicist
	Vice-President, Campus Crusade for Cthulhu, for which I _do_ speak

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 eat people, and even Voltaire's savages, who are led by the voice of reason
 to hold that one should only eat Jesuits, are not wholly satisfactory."
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Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: pcorless@cisco.com (Peter Corless)
Subject: Re: The Burning Man
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message are those of an
	      individual at SRI International, and do not necessarily
	      reflect those of the company.
Reply-To: pcorless@cisco.com (Peter Corless)
Organization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:28:09 GMT

In response to post:
From: culley@sc.intel.com (robert culley)
Subject: The Burning Man

> (3) a Celtic tradition depicted in a movie, "The Wicker Man".  In the film,
> a human sacrifice is caged within the Wicker Man before he's lit. I don't
> trust a 'film adaption' of a ritual very much, so who knows what the
> Celts really did? What did it  mean ?

Apparently, it was a practice of dispensing with criminals, although it had 
some religious connotations as well. It's very unclear. There was some debate
as to whether this was ever practiced, but there are too many reports of it
from classical scholars (such as Julius Caesar) for it to be complete fiction.