From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND vs FSU vs Michigan
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:03:38 GMT
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In article <JCHO.92Sep12144517@dante.nmsu.EDU> jcho@nmsu.EDU (CHO) writes:

   In article <BILLMS.92Sep11165356@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:

       Ok, I'd agree that Michigan is still a powerful team, but they (along with
       the rest of the Big-10) have lost something over that past five years
       (recent times?).  There is a new group of powerhouses in college football
       (e.g., FSU, Miami, Washington, Florida).  Because of Michigan's
       playing style, they can't surprise any of these top teams in the BIG games.
       Smashmouth football is passe.

   > Well, you've got a point here.  Pounding up the middle with Desmond and
   > Tyrone Wheatly won't get us past Washington.  And while Elvis is fantastic
   > running off tackle (hey, that is why he was selected america's favorite qb
   > last year, right?), he can't pass worth shit.

   Hmmm...don't you have it wrong here... I always considered Elvis to
   be shoddy when he is on the move and easily sacked when not properly
   defended... But I do believe he has a fine arm.

Yes, you are absolutely right.  Very perceptive.  I apologize for my mistaken
characterization of the Michigan offense.  What could I have been thinking.

   > Anybody know the average standing in the recent past, but longer than last
   > 2-3 years?  How about last 5?  Mark M?  I'd bet you'd be surprised Jonathan
   > by the by where the finished.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   I fail to understand this sentence.

The 'y' in "they" was missing.  I can understand how that would trip you up.


   Average standing of what? Michigan vs. FSU over 5 years?
   I think I am willing to bet FSU over Michigan by quite a bit....

Ahh!  So you did understand.  Thats a bet you would lose.

   with top 10 status... Downplaying FSU simply on account that it doesn't
   possess the tradition of Michigan and ND is nothing more than empty words.

Well, since I never did that, I can't understand why you are acusing me of
it.  I said that FSU did not have the same reputation as michigan, and was
not as strong, during the period 10-15 years ago when the UM-FSU game was
scheduled.  Do you disagree with this?  Where do you think I've been
"downplaying" (what exactly does that mean in this context?) FSU?  Certainly
not on the football field over the last 5-10 years.

   Fortunately the majority of the conferences have chosen to lift the
   game of college football up a notch by trying to get the best possible
   matchups in the bowls...with all these bowl alliances and the like.

You are deluding yourself if you think the dominant issue there was improving
the level of bowl competition.  It was money, pure and simple.  Better
matchups, *if they do result*, will be a second order effect.

   I can appreciate this a great deal... But, anyone from the Big10 who
   starts yapping about FSU as this bumbling wolfling who deserves no respect
   and is just a fluke team with no real influence anywhere despite the
   stunning loss last year to FSU at home...needs to grab a pop (as they
   say in the mid-west) kick back and relax. 

Its sad to see that you can attend a major university in our country and have
developed such poor reading skills.  I never knocked FSU, and you haven't
disagreed with me on *any* of the material facts at issue here (FSU's
standing ~ 10-15 years ago).  I think you are the one who needs to relax.

Bill
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	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu