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From: BL.DKS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Diane Seward)
Subject: Re: water
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:25:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.202325.12116@colorado.edu>,
ghill@dot.cs.colorado.edu (Gregory Hill) writes:
>I frequently have dreams about water, and I was wondering if people have
>any ideas about the significance thereof. The water can be rivers, lakes,
>oceans, swimming pools; clear, still or fast-moving, muddy, etc. etc., and
>the dreams can range from absolutely heavenly (like swimming endlessly in
>a clear mountain lake with water that doesn't feel cold) to the most
>horrifying I have ever had (being eaten by giant lobsters). What does it
>mean if water is the major thread in one's dreams??? thanks

I also have many water associated dreams, same thing -- all different
types of water -- from pools to oceans ... many are great, and a
few have been terrifying!
A friend/teacher taught me a lot about dreamworking -- and for me
water is an indicator of my emotions/feelings. When my emotions
are stuck in a rut, I see "my pool" is stagnant ... When I'm
overwhelmed or trying to handle too much -- I nearly drown in a
big lake ..(but a "friend" is on the other side to help me out)
My attacks by leeches are yet unknown ... could be demanding friends?
Crystal clear running water or beautiful lakes seem to be when I
am accepting myself and my feelings without worry.
It is a common theory that water is associated with emotions and I
tend to take things to heart -- too much sometimes! Therefore, a lot
of water dreams. (It really does help to visualize yourself as the
"feeling of the water" .. and ask it what it is feeling & why...
and write it down as you ask.)
Just my own dreamwork stuff ... hope it helps.

DKS@RLG                   " Your friends will know you better in
                            the first minute you meet
                            than your acquaintances will know you
                            in a thousand years."
                                   --Richard Bach
From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Lucidity and me.
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:27:34 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
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In <gj156879.718211806@cunews> gj156879@prince.carleton.ca writes:

>  I've been lucid in many dreams, and the most exciting thing to ever
>  happen to me is flying.  Has anyone else gone lucid and then
>  deliberately flown around?  It seems there are variances on the type
>  of flying:  sometimes you can barely get off the ground, other times
>  you can soar from heights that are staggering.

Matches my experience exactly. That is one of the (almost) certain
indicators of lucid dreams (in me).

>  There's nothing more powerful than soaring across a landscape.
>  Next time YOU (and you know who you are) go lucid, try climbing high
>  up and jumping off.  With practice this may become an unnecessary step
>  and you'll be able to leap off the ground.

In fact I've usually started by leaping from the ground... your
mileage may vary you know :-) :-)

>  I believe Freud said that dreams of flying are actually about sex,
>  well, then what are dreams about sex about?

From the postings here I recently read I conclude that Freud actually
said ALL dreams are about sex, so why bother? :-)

Anyway, I don't think dream interpretation schemes (and Freud's
especially) are that useful. They may provide hints but the may as
well be completely wrong. Interpreting your dreams has to start off at
YOUR personal background.


MfG,
        Olaf
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From: pejkh@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Jeff Hansen 432-2691)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Remembering Dreams
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:23:38 GMT
Organization: The Dream Net

Do you wake up with a start?  That is, does the alarm scream and you jump
out of bed?  That's enough to erase the dream memory banks.  Stay in bed
for a while and really stay with your dream images.

As far as vitamins, I don't know.  But I have noticed that when I have a
cup of Ginseng tea before bed time that my dreams tend to be more vibrant
and active.  I usually have a commercial type of Ginseng : Ginseng Plus
from Celestial Seasonings.  it also contains chamomile and spearmint which
are very soothing for bed time also.  

Try it, you'll like it.
 

Namaste


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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Forcing Dreams...
Date: 28 Sep 1992 23:44:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Apologies in advance for lack of working editor...but Greg says
YES!! one should force the rememberance of dreams because that
is something that you subconcious knows and when you remember it
you relay it to the conscious mind....(did i read that right??).

Well, my reply to that would be..bull..I don't think that you need
to remember your dreams consciously in able for your conscious mind
to be able to partake of the knowledge of your sub... I know lots of
stuff, with no eplanation..and when i try to remember why..i have no
eplanation..those things i often believe are a dream...now, i might
agree that one should at least attempt to remember one's dreams, but
for a different reason...i think that making an effort to remember
the dreams consciously would save me confusion from time to time....
for instance, i just know lots of things..that's just how my mind works..
i never remember where i found the material...just that i know it...
and it can get really frustrating when i can't come up with a precise
scourse or at least time reference....(usually i can...but there are 
those times...) and then i am afraid to use that information, for fear
that i may have dreamed it all up (it's happened!!)... but i have a 
very hard time remembering dreams....and the ones i do remember have
no bearing on anything i'd ever actually want a dream to figure out
for me...but oh well...i should try harder..i hear it gets easier with
practice...maybe i'd know something i care about...
again...apologies for misspellings and lack of quote...thanx!
Andrew.
-- 
So my last quote was way off...i screwed it up.. i'll come up with 
a new one sometime soon....
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From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Subject: Re: lucid dreams
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:34:51 GMT
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In <1992Sep28.223151.23074@ncsu.edu> barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu writes:

>  I've been in nightmares, like the ones where people (unknown) are chasing me
>  and trying to do me harm, and decided to back the action up and do something
>  different.  Is that a common thing to do in a lucid dream?

Yes, it does occur frequently. But what puzzles me at this point is
about the definitions of 'lucid dreams' and 'nightmares'. Aren't they
somewhat mutually exclusive? If you become aware that the situation is
not for real, can this still be called a nightmare?

I had the experience that the more regularly I was dreaming lucidly
during the past years, the rarer real nightmares would get, and the
less I feared sleeping for fear of bad dreams [as I had done as a
child]. This is a self-reinforcing feedback process.

MfG,
        Olaf
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From: sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Re: Enhanced creativity when dreaming?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:09:19 GMT

Yes, I find myself dreaming creatively quite a bit; mostly
music, which sounds quite good in the dream, and usually
lingers with me (still sounding good) for a while after I wake
up. Unfortunately, I'm not a musician and I can't read or write
music, so I can't preserve it in any way...

Along the same lines, I read an interview in Time a couple of
years ago--David Lynch, right when he was *really* popular. He
said he would dream these really great paintings, and in the
dreams he'd envy whoever had painted them. Then he'd realize he
was dreaming, and that those were *his* paintings, but then
he'd wake up and be unable to remember them.

One more thing: I'd heard that Coleridge story, but in the
version I heard, he'd been tripping on some drug and having
visions of Xanadu; this was interrupted by an insurance
salesman, and the rest of his would-have-been epic poem was
lost forever. Ah, well...

Steve
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From: lestat@cats.ucsc.edu (Lestat de Lioncourt)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Lucid Dreaming - What Is It?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 03:06:01 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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What is lucid dreaming?

But anyways, I have been able to control my dreams completely since 
I was about 6 years old, and can still do it. I refined the ability
to the point where in the bottom of the 'screen' for lack of a better term
or the visual that i see, at the bottom is a control box. In it are
digital displays, including elapsed time and such. I can at will stop
a dream and replay it, edit it if i am unhappy, or even erase it and
start over. I can on the fly switch the entire dream to something else
and this is easy.... would this be considered lucid dreaming?

-Tom Fox
.

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From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Subject: Re: Forcing Dreams...
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:57:41 GMT
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In <philip.717729773@labtam> philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au writes:

>    I think you are probably right that we are capable of utilising knowledge
>  from our dreams without realising the source.  There has been many a time when
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
From our dreams? Or from [who-knows-where] and just manifested in a
dream? 

>  an idea or piece of information has just "popped" into my head, seemingly from
>  nowhere.  It is quite possible I dreamt this information and then only
>  remembered it when some waking situation triggered an association with that
>  information.  It's an interesting possibility.

This is how the mind's information retrieval works - by some
resemblance triggering an association.

>    I also think that we are capable of acting upon knowledge from a dream "on
>  impulse".  How many times have you done something on impulse without
>  questioning why you did it?  Perhaps we often make decisions based upon
>  information that is just sitting in our head waiting to be triggered?

All days we do that... but again, information *from a dream*? Where
does the dream information come from?

I think that dreams are constructed from information in the mind that
gets ordered semi-randomly to form a dream, so it is based on
sonething 'already there'. The re-ordering can of course bring up new
ideas, so it is not completely useless; but I don't think that this
ideas come just from nowhere.


MfG,
        Olaf
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From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Subject: Re: lucid dreams
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:11:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.143451.19410@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes:
>In <1992Sep28.223151.23074@ncsu.edu> barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu writes:
>
>>  I've been in nightmares, like the ones where people (unknown) are chasing me
>>  and trying to do me harm, and decided to back the action up and do something
>>  different.  Is that a common thing to do in a lucid dream?
>
>Yes, it does occur frequently. But what puzzles me at this point is
>about the definitions of 'lucid dreams' and 'nightmares'. Aren't they
>somewhat mutually exclusive? If you become aware that the situation is
>not for real, can this still be called a nightmare?
>
Well, I've had some frightening dreams that I was aware were dreams.  They
ocurred less frequently (chase dreams, etc.) after I learned how to rewind
and go through something a different way.  I couldn't completely change things,
like someone would still be chasing me with malicious intent, but if I'd run
into a place where I was trapped, I could rewind and run somewhere else.


-- 
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"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
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From: dern@acs.bu.edu (Kevin Dern)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Hypnotism
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:37:29 GMT
Distribution: bos
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: dern@acs.bu.edu

Hello all - I've be interested in hypnosis for about 5 years now, and for
the last three I have successfully and safely hypnotized many of my
friends... I'm especially interested in doing dream exploration through
hypnosis. I'm looking for someone in the Boston area that would be interested
in letting me hypnotize you. It's completely safe, you'll be in control of
yourself, you don't have to do anything you don't want to.

This is really legit., not a sex thing or something like that. I really do
just want to hypnotize you, male or female. 

Please contact me via E Mail if you're interested.

Kevin                              dern@acs.bu.edu
From: capistra@andromeda.rutgers.edu (M P Capistrano)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Earth on fire!
Date: 5 Oct 92 05:39:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I had a weird dream (well, aren't all dreams weird?).  This was 
a couple of nights ago.  Setting:  Venus and Earth.

I was in the planet Venus with someone (a guy I think!).  We
were sitting down and watching the Earth.  And suddenly, a fire
came from nowhere, and after a second or two, the whole Earth was
on fire!  So, we hurriedly got up and went to Earth which took 
us like 5 seconds to get there (by the way, the Earth was on a
small piece of land --it was like a globe on an island if you can
picture it.)  When we got there, I took some water from the ocean
(What ocean?  Beats me!  It was an ocean from the space between
Venus and Earth!)  It took me two hands full of water to put off
the fire!  (Wow!)  So, I *kinda* saved the Earth.  I saved it before
he did!  He was too slow, and it was my dream so I should be the
hero (or the heroine in my case!)  Hey, that felt great!  (Well, we
are always the heroes in our dreams anyway!)  

I saved the Earth, however, sad to say, the people in it didn't 
survive (they died so quick!).  I guess I just saved the earth, 
just the Earth from burning.  That time no one was there except
us (the guy [I wonder who he is....hmmmm...] and me).  It seemed
like we were the only two left, and I felt like we were Adam and
Eve! 

That's the end!   Weird!  Just weird...   Any comments are welcome!

Thanks for your time!
-MPC-
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From: philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens)
Subject: Re: Forcing Dreams...
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:14:22 GMT

Olaf Titz writes:

>I think that dreams are constructed from information in the mind that
>gets ordered semi-randomly to form a dream, so it is based on
>sonething 'already there'. The re-ordering can of course bring up new
>ideas, so it is not completely useless; but I don't think that this
>ideas come just from nowhere.

  Actually, I would disagree, but that's a metaphysical issue rather than a
dream issue :-)
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From: mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton)
Subject: my wierd crucifix/water dream
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:39:20 GMT

So my best friend and I are running through a forest of virgin pine and there
is this military looking helicopter making low passes over our heads.

My friend clutches a crucifix, and I clutch a glass of water.

We come to a strange green enameled fence in the middle of the forest that
strangly gets higher as you run down it.  The helicopter is landing.

The people in the helicopter are after us (this has been apparent from the
beginning) and are now scurring to get us.

We jump over the fence and my friend drops the crucifix as we get into his
car.  The key was already in the ignition when we got in and the starter
had been running the whole time, but I turn it further and it starts the car.

I wake up.


Analize this for me please - it is very important to me!  Spend a little time
posting to another human being - seperated only by the wires between all.


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meow
From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Enhanced creativity when dreaming?
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:35:00 GMT
Organization: Ostfold College

In article <1992Sep30.131256.26075@ultb.isc.rit.edu> cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Christian Dylan Losinger) writes:
>	I thought that maybe she was just experiencing the feeling of "wow,
>what a great poem!" (feelings seem to come in big packages in dreams - like
>"wow, what great sex" "what a great day" etc). But she remembers reading it and
>really liking it - though she couldn't remember any of the meaning of the text
>she could remember a few phrases which didn't seem too poetic "out of context".
>	
>	Anyone else find themselves creative/artistic in dreams?

If solving problems is creative I've had one :

A while back I was doing the coding part of a computer program, it
was deadline in a couple of days and I was stuck with a certain
part of it. I couldn't figure out how to implement a certain algorithm
into good code.

I was really obsessed with this problem and I worked around the clock
with it. But eventually I _had_ to sleep. And what a strange sleep it
was ... it was partly semi-conscious and I dreamt of text and numbers 
in random patterns scrolling up and down at a breath-taking speed. It's
hard to put down in writing, but when I look back it seemed that I was
on the sideline and just watching with awe at the dream images flashing
by and not actually controlling them. At the same time I also felt uneasy 
because I repeatedly thought that this was an un-normal (?) experience.

As soon as I awaked (after 3-4 hours) I went straight to the computer and 
sketched out a solution to the problem. Still being tired it seemed to be 
done almost automatically. Relieved, I went straight to bed and had a deep 
and peaceful sleep.

The story also says that it turned out to be a good solution ;-)

Anyone else with similar dreams ?

*JORN* (email : jorngh@sofus.dhhalden.no)
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From: clint@matia.Stanford.EDU (Jennifer Dole)
Subject: Re: Dream Qs...
Organization: Psychology Dept, Stanford Univ.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:58:47 GMT

In article <66447@cup.portal.com> Malfera@cup.portal.com (Dan M Healy) writes:

>Also, are there ways to induce lucid (?) dreams?  I only did it once
>and can't seem to do it again.

>Any help would be greatly appreciated.

See the Lucid Dreaming FAQ to follow. 


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From: ramsay@unixg.ubc.ca (Keith Ramsay)
Subject: Re: Enhanced creativity when dreaming?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:00:03 GMT

A fellow mathematician told me that he had solved a mathematical
problem in a dream: he dreamed that an elephant was diving into a pool
of water. I wondered how this related to the problem. "It helped that
the elephant's name was `theta'." :-)

Keith Ramsay -- ramsay@unixg.ubc.ca
From: preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: sex in a lucid dream.
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:01:16 GMT
Reply-To: preiser@cancer.unm.edu
Organization: UNM Cancer Center

In article <gj156879.718309868@cunews>, gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:
>Yes, sex in a lucid dream can be an amazing thing, although very
>"sticky", and not necessarily just when you wake up.  I've had some
>bizarre dreams on the matter, and they usually are pretty intense.
>
>But one thing about lucid dreams that I haven't heard anyone mention
>is the following:
> 
>In one dream, after realizing it was a dream, I went around
>questioning dream characters about who they were and what they were
>doing there.  It struck me that the dream is ME as a whole, where the
>dream character ME is my conscious ME, my EGO, or whatever.  When I
>went around asking the characters who they were and what they were
>doing there, they seemed scared.  It was very bizarre.  I've also had
>a dream where I went lucid and someone was bothering me, so I decided
>to fly away.  He said "I can fly after you" and hoverred above the
>ground.  I woke up after that.
> 
>And has anyone ever flown through solid matter?

I flew through a glass picture window once.  Felt kind of weird, but the glass
didn't break.  I've had less success going through walls. I seem to get stuck.

>I've flown through a
>building once, where people were working at their bureaucratic jobs,
>etc.  Then there is the simple matter of how REAL everything looks in
>a lucid dream.  More real than reality.  I've spent some lucid dreams
>just staring at things.  Someone mentioned dreams about art and
>creativity, I had one dream, possibly my favorite ever, going around
>through an empty gallery looking at paintings.  They were MY
>paintings, (i knew this somehow) and they were all amazing abstracts.
>The strange bit is that I heard a monster off to some side of the
>gallery roaring, but never saw him/her/it.
>
>Lucid dreaming has got to be one of the most amazing experiences a
>human being can go through.  I believe that when people talk about
>astral projection, that they are actually in a lucid dream.  Having
>read books on both subjects, the methods of astral projecting are
>often similar to the methods of inducing a lucid dream.  I only
>managed once to induce a lucid dream: it was a method that involved
>letting your body fall asleep while you keep your mind awake.  Messing
>around with this, lying on the bed, my eyes started to flutter and go
>weird, and then I was in a dream, and I was lucid right from the
>beginning!  Something I hope to try again soon...
>
>
>                                        Nik
>
>
 Good dreams,
 Doug.
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