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From: lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller)
Subject: Re: Shoulders
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Tucson Az.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:39:43 GMT

In article <max.712196985@isis> max@isis.eng.hou.compaq.com (Max Heffler) writes:
>ah238@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Zupko) writes:
>
>>Anyone know any good shoulder exerices with dumbbells?
>
>1.  Upright Dumbell Rows

Correct if I'm wrong, but...

I learned that upright rows are a back exericise. When doing them with a
barbell, hands about 6-7 inches apart, lift the bar close to your body to
about your chin height. I feel this in my back. I've heard that varying the
grip can also get your shoulders somewhat, but this is primarily a back
exercise. Also, most "rows" exercises are for back (although that certainly
doesn't prove anything).

Any of you experts care to step in?

Luther

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: AMADM009@ysub.ysu.edu
Subject: Shoulder exercises
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:15:19 GMT

Does anyone know of any exercises I can do with hand weights to build up my sho
ulders?  I am not a body builder or weight lifter.  I'm 5'2" and weigh about 10
0 lbs (female) and I have very "wimpy" shoulders!  Is there anything I can do
without investing in expensive equipment...or am I doomed to shoulder pads in
my clothes for the rest of my life???????
From: bbw@itd0.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brenton Williams)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Arm Wrestling - Which Muscles ?
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:51:16 GMT
Organization: Information Technology Division, DSTO Salisbury


   I have a chance to win $50 off my younger brother in five months by 
 beating him in an arm wrestling competition. This would be very satisfying.

 My questions :: 

  Which muscles should I concentrate on developing ? 

  In particular, how important are the forearms in arm wrestling ? My brother has
 stronger forearms than I, due to the many years he spent on the golf course, and
 he always bends my (weaker) wrist over when we compete.

  Thanks in advance.

                      Brenton
              


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From: jdh64@cas.org (Dave Huddle)
Subject: Re: Heart rates...
Reply-To: jdh64@cas.org
Organization: Totally Unorganized!
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:52:37 GMT

In article <weRhzKK00WB2E98qkG@andrew.cmu.edu>, ls3c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laurence
D. Silverman) writes:
|> All,
|> 
|> I know everyone's is different, but I'm curious to hear what everyone's
|> at-rest heart-rate is (and age, also).
|> 
|> -Lar

At-rest heart-rate, usually 42-47 as measured on the bp/pulse machine at work.
Sometimes its in the 50-55 range.  Age 51 non-athlete, but I do about 30 min of
aerobic stuff (NordicTrack, jog or exercise-bike) 4 to 5 days a week.
From: athena.mit.edu!poo@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Dymetadrine 25 (Mike)
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:55:00 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

In article <1992Jul22.121130.189@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> 
loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.181536.4769@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, 
ah532@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Gleba) writes:
>> Does anybody have any info/experience with this stuff? Side effects? 
>> or anything? All info would be greatly appreciated. Send mail if
>> possible.
>> 
>> -MIke
>> 
>> -- 
>> Bodybuilders and Volleyball Players Will Rule The World
>
>Hi Mike,

>Dymetadrine 25 is nothing but pure ephedrine hydrochloride which is a mild
>central nervous system stimulator.  It encourages the production of norepi-
>nephrine.  This in turn acts as a mild bronchodilator.
>To make a long story short, it psychs you up for one hell of a workout.  You
>can lift more weight and get cut as well.
>Again, DO NOT ABUSE THIS DRUG!!  Everything I'm telling you I have 
researched
>and tried.  If you feel that you need to take more, then back off on it for
>a while and give your body a rest from it.
>If you have anymore questions about it, feel free to email me.
>
>Rob
>Loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu

rob, also bear in mind that dym 25 is not fda approved.

poobear
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Dymetadrine 25
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:44:36 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Jul29.080857.235@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>
>What is this E.P.H.?  Also, be careful about stacking with D 25.
>                        
>                                         -ROB

E.P.H. 833 is the natural form of ephedrine hydrochloride, also known as
ephedra.

							-Adam

-- 
     **********************************************************************
     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
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From: peizer@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Adele Peizer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: PAIN doing arm curls??
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:58:38 GMT
Reply-To: peizer@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Adele Peizer)
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD

In misc.fitness, wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood) writes:
>ochs@cae.wisc.edu (Stefan Ochs) writes:
>
>>Sorry for reposting this question. I hope somebody can give me
>>some advice on what I am doing wrong. After doing arm curls
>>('preacher curls') my lower arms start to hurt - I mean hurt not
>>just  an exhausted muscle. I would like to know if anybody else has
>>(or had) the same problem and what I can do to prevent it.
>
>
>I had this problem a couple of years ago, and solved it by lifting
>the bar from the rack and placing it back on the rack *** very
>gently ***.  Furthermore, once I've placed it back on the rack,
>I retract my arms from it very gently and slowly.  This minimizes
>the chance of tearing forearm muscles.
>
This sounds like good advise.  I have also had this problem a couple of times.
I always expected it had to do with the tendens.  After I felt the pain I would
be very careful with my workouts, taking each arm exercise and go through the
motion very slow to find out which movement caused pain.  Then avoid those
exercises for a month or so.  I always found other movements which would work
the same muscle group, but not aggravate that tenden.  Also, as was suggested
above - to release the weight slowly.  

Pay attention to what your body is telling you, and don't do it if you are
feeling real pain (I don't mean strain).

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From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Sweating !!!!
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 15:29:59 GMT

In article <19569@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, tzf@csl.biosci.arizona.edu (Theron Friedman) writes:
|> 
|> I just saw a little article in the local paper, some doctor claiming
|> that sweating is actually very good for the skin, keeps it moisturized,
|> lubricated, vital, glowing, etc. etc. The conclusion was something like
|> "if you want to have your skin look as good at 80 as it did at 40, sweat."
|> 
|> 
|> Just from thermodynamic considerations one would expect that -> on the average <-
|>  women would sweat more than men when doing equal work. Remember that
|> the female body has a thin layer of fat under the skin which the male body
|> doesn't have; this serves as an insulator, which suggests that a woman's
|> body will have to work harder to get rid of the excess heat from exercise.
|> Ergo more sweat.
|>         [ keywords here are "on the average". To many variables of individual
|> anatomy & conditioning to expect this to always be true.]
|> ~

This sweating discussion reminds me of a question I've had for a long time:
I really like a steam bath, but it appears most health clubs, etc, that 
I've seen in recent years have only a sauna (which I loathe), always with 
a sign on it saying, "Don't pour water on the lava rocks!".  I prefer the
wet heat, because I feel less hot when I sweat more (in the sauna I feel
like I'm going to explode :-), and I come out feeling like my pores got 
opened, my sinuses got opened, and my hair and skin have had a "hot oil" 
treatment.

So which is better after a workout?  Wet or Dry?

Jan
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Kirelin and HGHMr Long has made a couple of accusations against the Russian
From: <JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 31 Jul 1992 12:03:41 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Greco-Roman super-heavy weight wrestler Kirelin.  Let's examine his
accusations, shall we?
 
     1. Obvious signs of Human Growth Hormone use in his face.  Now,
this means that Kirelin should display a prominent ridge across his
brow and an overgrown jawline.  Kirelin displays none of these: his
forehead is not low, and his browline does not overhang the way it
does when HGH extremes are present.  He has less of a brow-ridge then
some lightweight boxers who get theirs from punches.
 
     2. His musculature and low-body fat indicate use of steroids.
Kirelin does have low bodyfat, but his musculature is not as extreme
as a steroid user's.  His muscles are cut and solid, whereas a roid
user ends up looking puffy(as Ben Johnson did).  Johnson's extreme
definition came out when he was running.  In slow motion(I taped
Kirelin's matches) you do not see this kind of extreme flex in the
muscles of Kirelin.
     Also, he does not have the characteristic acne and baldness of
a roid-user.  Nor does he have gynecomnestra(bitch tits).  Kirelin's
pecs are very tight, and actually rather small for a man his size.
 
     3. Finally, and I qoute: "C'mon people, he's a super-heavyweight
*wrestler* . . ."  Is the fact that he's a wrestler supposed to mean
he's more likely to use steroids and HGH?  If so, as a former wrestler,
I find that very insulting to wrestlers as a whole.
 
     Kirelin is a genetic marvel, a man with incredible size who has
trained himself into peak condition.  Give the man some credit.
 
                                               Jim Wesson
                                               Miami University
From: sm@space.mit.edu (Sherry Modestino)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Question about weight
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:30:22 GMT
Reply-To: sm@space.mit.edu
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Originator: sm@space

Having no time to get to a gym and being extremely uneducated
about working with weights to increase muscle mass, I have 

nonetheless undertaken a program which involves using water-
filled half gallon containers (laundry bottles, actually) as
weights.  The question is:  Am I kidding myself?  or more
specifically is this departure symmetry going to cause me any
trouble (the bottles are kind of like using a dumbbell with only
one weight on it).  If this is realistic, should I just try to
follow directions for exercises designed to be used for dumbbells

or perhaps I should make that "with" dumbbells :)

Thanks for any help or suggestions.

s
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From: mattd@cltr.uq.oz.au (Matthew Deshon)
Subject: Re: Shoulders
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:19:13 GMT

max@isis.eng.hou.compaq.com (Max Heffler) writes:

>ah238@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Zupko) writes:

>>Anyone know any good shoulder exerices with dumbbells?

>1.  Upright Dumbell Rows
>2.  Seated Dumbell Military Press

3. Dumbbell Flyes

matt

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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: suggested books/exercises for ab work?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 29 JUL 92 14:20:04    


In article <1992Jul29.122941.238@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu>, 
loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes...
>> > 
>> 	For pure ab work, you could probably use just the crunches and
>> 	the leg lifts, or modify the traditional sit-ups slightly to
>> 	tilt the pelvis upward (curled toward you) and get more abdominal 
>> 	concentration.   Medicine ball drills work wonders too, if you
>> 	want a particularly tight stomach that can take an impact
>> 	(martial artists, boxers, other contact sports).
>> 
> 
>Todd, What are Medicine ball drills?  I have never heard of these.

The medicine ball is a large, heavy leather covered round bag, usually between
about 8 and 20 pounds, of varying sizes, which is sometimes used for plyometric
(explosiveness) throwing drills, and sometimes for contact training, to toughen
the abdoman by letting it hit you with varying degrees of force by
dropping or throwing from a partner.  By tensing your abs and breathing out
sharply as it hits, you learn to absorb impact and at the same time build
a little bit of extra armor there.    It's an 'oldie but goodie,' seen in 
the old time boxing gyms, and still used even in many modern training centers,
because of its special value for certain contact sports.  Not really
a bodybuilding exercise, but elsewhere in the 'fitness' category.

If you think it might help you in what you do, you could start out with
a basketball wrapped in a towel, and see the effects when someone drops it
or throws it down from a few feet up onto your stomach, perhaps while
moving up for a crunch or sit-up.  Adds an extra dimension to your peak
contraction.  The medicine ball is many times denser and heavier, so don't 
start out too ambitiously with it !   The medicine ball impact from 
shoulder height is very similar to taking a solid punch.

Another traditional ab exercise from boxing is leg throw downs,
where you raise your legs up (like a straight leg raise) while lying supine, 
and a partner grabs your ankles and throws them forcefully toward the floor
while you use your abs to rapidly slow them down before they hit
the floor.  This is another 'plyometric' type exercise, for explosive power
and toughness, not really for bodybuilding, and it's potentially dangerous for 
your back, so if you try it, be very careful and start slowly.

>--Rob

							take care,

							todd
From: uunet.edu!csfb1!dwarren@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Help me gain ten pounds!!
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:18:00 GMT
Organization: First Boston Corporation
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

Hi.  I'm a reasonably new reader of this group, and I was hoping to get
some advice.  I recently shifted from Nautilus to free weights and here
is my current regimen:

  Monday/Thursday:
     Chest:
        Bench Press:       12xbar, 8x135, 8x145, 8x145, 3x155
        Incline BP:        12xbar, 8x85, 8x95, 8x95, 3x105
        Dumbbell raise(?): 8x35x2, 8x35x2, 8x40x2
        Cybex chest:       8x5, 8x5, 8x5.5

     Back:
        Lat pulldowns:     Cybex three sets x 3 variations x 8
                            (wide grip behind neck,
                             fairly wide to chest,
                             narrow grip underhand pull down to neck)
        Bent-over dumbbell rows:  3 sets each hand x 35 pounds
        Seated cable row:    8x70, 8x80, 8x90
        Machine name I forget, but lying down diagonally, pulling weights
        up toward chest:  3 sets x 2 positions (wide/narrow grip) x 35 

  Tuesday/Friday:
     Shoulders:        
        Military barbell press:  8x60, 8x65, 8x70
        Behind the neck press:   8x55, 8x60, 8x65
        Standing lateral raise:  8x15x2, 8x20, 8x20
        Bent-over lateral raise: 8x10x2, 8x12, 8x12
     Bicep:
        Barbell curl:       8x55, 8x60, 8x65
        Concentration curl: 8x12x2, 8x15x2, 8x20x2
        Preacher curl:      8x50x2positions (wide/narrow grip), 8x55x2p
     Tricep:
        Rope pulldown:          8x35, 8x40, 8x45
        Overhead pullup:        8x40, 8x45, 8x50
        Concentration db raise: 8x15x2, 8x20x2, 8x25x2

  I apologize for not knowing all of the exact names of the exercises.
  I add situps and crunches often.  Not much leg work due to time 
constraints.
  On the weekends, I do long runs, bike rides, and roller blading.  
  I am 6', 165lb, low body fat.  I think I am a hard gainer, and would like
  to be able to do 3 sets benching my body weight (as an initial target).

  Q:  Any recommendations/changes to the regimen?
  Q:  What is a reasonable time frame to hit my target?
  Q:  How long to put on 10 lb of muscle?

Thanks in advance!!

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From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: mid-workout tiredness 
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 14:05:49 GMT


In a previous article, ls3c+@andrew.cmu.edu ("Laurence D. Silverman") says:

>Hiya.  I'm new to the group and I've got a couple of questions:
>
>My workouts usually last about two hours.  The first hour, my energy
>level is fine, but into the second, I begin to get fatigued, I slow down,
>take too much time between sets, lose initiative, etc.  I understand this
>is due to my drained glycogen stores.  My question is, what's the best thing
>to eat/drink while working out in order to keep energy levels high (in
>addition to plenty of water)?
More water.  Eating should be done before and after a workout.

>Also, I've been taught to eat carbs about an hour before a workout.  Who else
>subscribes to this regimen and what do you eat?

I eat oatmeal, bread, or some other source of complex carbs about 2-3
hours before working out, to ensure proper digestion.  I figure that 2-3
hours isn't enough for the carbs to be converted into fat, even if I nap
a bit.  I avoid fatty, spicy or high-protein foods beforehand, since
they can make you sluggish.  Sometimes though, when I have to work out
very early in the a.m. and can't spare much time, I drink some Slim-Fast
about 1.5-2 hours beforehand, since liquid meals can be digested more
easily than solid food.

Suggestions on improving my regimen are welcome.

>Lar

Your nickname refers to a Roman ancestral spirit (check the dictionary!).
It's also the nickname of this drop-dead beautiful woman I knew back
home.  She was just a friend though, and besides, she just got married.

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
From: asb@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (anthony.s.bartolomeo)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Book
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:35:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

Does anyone have a copy of "Pulling Your Own Weight"
by Osbourne? If so, is it any good? Thanks,

Tony
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Kirelin and HGH
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:28:03 GMT

Individuals with pituitary acromegaly (excessive secretion of GH)
are paradoxically rather weak.  I haven't the faintest idea what
the effects of GH might be in healthy athletic individuals who
train regularly.

It's pretty clear that Kirelin has the genes; whether he also
has used substances like exogenous GH is anyone's guess.
His facial features (the enlarged jaw, general coarseness)
_suggest_ excessive GH, but he's also within the range of
normal, so it's no more than a suggestion.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: brian@tyr.scs.uiuc.edu (Brian Eugene Ackerson)
Subject: Re: Squats for maximum gain
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:08:32 GMT

loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.211738.16625@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>> My question is, which is recommended for maximum gains in either
>> size or strength?   I know super-high reps are not recommended for
>> most things, but squats have always seemed different than other
>> exercizes to me in this regard, and when I used to real squats before,
>> I would do like 30, 25, 20, 15, 10, reps of ~135-185-225 lbs (medium
>> heavy to me), unlike the 6-12 reps of most things, and it was these
>> medium weight/high reps, that seemed to feel right at the time.

>If your trying to put mass or size, you should keep your reps low and your 
>weight fairly high.  If you feel yourself getting nausea or light headed, back-
>off and give yourself a breather.  The guy that is training me for an upcoming
>competition is a maniac when he works with you and he was working with me doing
>squats.  After a few quick sets with 300lbs, I felt like I was going to die.
>Usually, more reps is for cuts.  I also think that more reps will give you more
>strength, but don't quote me on this one.  I could be wrong.

     One obvious solution is to do both types of squats.  On Mon or Tue,
go all out with heavy weight/low rep squats along with what other leg
exercises you do on leg day.  On Fri or Sat, do light weight/high rep
squats along with a few other metabolism raising exerices.

					Brian Ackerson
					brian@odin.scs.uiuc.edu

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From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: losing fat AND gaining muscle??
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:51:09 GMT


In a previous article, kj12+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kimberlie Ann Johnson) says:

>I just subscribed to this bboard and was interested in a conversation
>dated July 9th where someone indicated that lifting weights AND doing
>aerobics might not be the best method to lose fat and gain muscle.
>
>In article <1992Jul9.155727.9871@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu
>(Virgilio Velasco) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> 	There are certian troubles with trying to lose fat and
>> 	gain muscle at the same time.  For best results, to lose
>> 	fat one must curb one's fat intake and caloric intake.  However,
>> 	reducing one's caloric intake too much will cause your
>> 	body to cannibalize your protein stores for energy, thus
>> 	causing muscle loss.  This can be especially troublesome if
>> 	one lifts weights AND exercises aerobically regularly.
>
>
>What? I thought lifting and aerobic exercise were the BEST way to get
>strong and lean! 

They are, especially when combined with a sensible diet.
Notice, however, the key phrase in the paragraph you quoted:
"reducing one's caloric intake TOO MUCH will cause your body
to cannibalize your protein stores..." (emphasis mine).
-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
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