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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:32:32 EST
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Subject: Re: New to this group
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If it's at all possible, go to CP on a weekday in May (before Memorial
Day).  The park is empty during the week, though the park is only open
until 8pm.  The lines are very short for all the rides, and the feeling
is usually 'I've got the whole park to myself.'  CP is one of the most
visited parks in the country, so if you wait until June or July, as most
people do, you'll find big crowds.  No matter when you go, try to do it
during the week.  That will be your best shot.

Walt "Cedar Point is my life" Schmidt
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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Colossus vs. La Montana Rusa
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:39:56 GMT

>I, unfortunately, never got to ride the original Colossus.  I believe
>Magic Mountain shut the ride down after the first season and completely
>reprofiled sections of the ride to make it more "liveable" not only to
>most of the general public, but also to the mechanics and carpenters.
>With the original Colossus, the mechanics I used to work with said that
>they would often have to go out at night and tighten down and check
>certain sections of track because the trains went through them
>completely on their upstop wheels.

Why, then, has the profile remained the same on la Montana Rusa??
It has the same amount of maintanence needed as the original Colossus,
and is from what I'm told even more brutal in sections ... why
has the Mexico coaster remained true to the IAD design whereas
Colossus is only a shadow now of it's former self?  Is the American
public that wimpy??


Buck, with a baited question
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From: stickman@megatek.com (James Hsieh)
Subject: Re: Colossus (was Re: Flight Commander elaboration request)
Reply-To: stickman@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:30:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.211831.6091@pmafire.inel.gov> geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen) writes:
>
>What's on there now?

Morgans.  Yuck.  I was working on Colossus the first summer they installed
those things, and they had lots of problems at first -- we won't get into 
them here, but lets just say that the opening crew got a lot of exercise
pushing trains during block check.  Those trains just weren't designed for
a coaster like Colossus.

The other side effect is that these trains cannot be run backwards, in the
configuration they are used in, so the end of the Colossus Backwards ride...

>I was but a young high-school student living about 45 minutes away from
>Magic Mountain when Colossus opened.  Riding it was the most terrifying
>experience of my life!  Those drops!  And all that airtime!  Yikes!  
>(If I could go back and ride the untamed Colossus again, it probably
>wouldn't be nearly as terrifying to me now, but ahh, the memories.)

I, unfortunately, never got to ride the original Colossus.  I believe
Magic Mountain shut the ride down after the first season and completely
reprofiled sections of the ride to make it more "liveable" not only to
most of the general public, but also to the mechanics and carpenters.
With the original Colossus, the mechanics I used to work with said that
they would often have to go out at night and tighten down and check
certain sections of track because the trains went through them
completely on their upstop wheels.  Was kinda brutal on the wood, I
guess.  They also slowed the ride down.

Again, as I recall, the lady supposedly fell out in the camel backs 
approaching the station.  I think that you are right there, Geoff, 
and in the fact that the kludge clips hadn't been in place.  Seatbelts
were added at least when they put in the PTC trains.

Now that this discussion on the Colossus trains have passed, I'm going
to try to head up to SFMM soon and hike around back where they have 
their equipment graveyard.  As of a couple of years ago, they still had
the original IAD trains stored out back (along with the bumper boats and 
stuff).  The PTC's I believe were sold to another Six Flags park.

--James

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From: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Paramount Season Pass (Was Re: Paramount tames THE BEAST)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 05:04:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
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In a previous article, buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com () says:

>Actually, it was a good investment, as the "Paramount Season Pass"
>is now good at ANY of the 4 Paramount Theme Parks in 1993:
>
>Paramount's Carowinds
>Paramount's Great America
>Paramount's King's Island
>Paramount's King's Dominion

All right!  I was wondering if they'd do something like this, similar to
what Six Flags did this past season.  What good news!  Maybe I'll try to
find my way back to Kings Dominion next year, then.  What a bonus!
And, what a bargain at only $50 (when bought during previous season)!

>Buck, who'll buy a pass for next year

Well, it'll probably be more than $50 now, but I'm sure it's still a good
investment if you plan on visiting any of these parks more than three
times.

Hmmm...  Getting a job at Busch Gardens for the summer is looking even more
attractive..  Weekly trips to KD!  I'll have to send off my resume...  :-)

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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:17:08 GMT

>OK, now that we've had The Big Debate about which coaster appears in
>the GTE ad, now which coaster appears in the new pain reliever ad?
>(Excedrin Ultra? It's some combined headache and stomach upset relieving
>medicine) The commercial starts with a guy at his desk in his office,
>then they use clever background shot tricks to show the guy "riding"
>the roller coaster at his desk.
>
>The coaster is not a racing coaster, and it's an unpainted woodie (i.e.
>it's natural wood colored/stained). My first guess was Mean Streak, but
>the shots are so short that I couldn't confirm it.

Well, I was wrong on the GTE ad, so take this with a 
grain of salt!  8^)

I saw this ad last night while watching the Jacksons thing,
and it looked a lot like the Psyclone at MM to me.  It was
moreso the profiles on the drops which lead me to this 
conclusion.
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From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:27:58 GMT

>Sharon Crichton sez:
>now which coaster appears in the new pain reliever ad?
>
>The coaster is not a racing coaster, and it's an unpainted woodie (i.e.
>it's natural wood colored/stained). My first guess was Mean Streak, but
>the shots are so short that I couldn't confirm it.

My first guess was the Texas Giant...but Sharon is quite correct, viewers
don't get much of a look-see before the commercial is over. This one
is going to be TOUGH.

I will keep my eyes peeled for this commercial again!


Rendell
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From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike S.)
Subject: Re: Flight Commander elaboration request
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:54:04 GMT

>Does anyone besides me ever wonder what the hell actually happens after a
>ride death? Obviously the ride is closed and inspected, but:

> 1. Would they actualy reopen the ride the day of the occurance? ...

No way!  As a matter of fact, for the two incidents I have knowledge
of, entire *sections of the park* were closed for the day, and the
attraction in general was closed for an extended period (or taken out
without ever reopening).

> 2. Aren't people weary to ride a ride which someone expired on?

Some.  Then again, others become more excited about the ride.  But
the increased safety measures the park imposes on the ride after the
incident cause the now-longer lines to become even slower.

Mike
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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Bat "deaths" (was Re: Top Gun at King's Island)
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:25:57 GMT

Mike Cornell writes:

>	Was The BAT designed to swing in 4 directions?  I was told that it
>was supossed to.  

While I never rode The Bat, I have seen videos of the ride as well as
POV footage, and no, the cars only sung in two directions (side to side).



>	Also....what is the COMPLETE REAL STORY.  I'm still kinda clueless.

Ask Kevin Russell, he should know.



Buck
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From: xor@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz)
Subject: Re: IAAPA and Texas Giant III
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:54:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.133831.1665@ccd.harris.com> wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie) writes:
>I am sure some ACEers left a little disappointed at the lack of park
>time and coaster riding time, but I had a good time.  Let me hear from
>others on what they thought and what they did around Texas when you
>couldn't go to the park.

Well, this was my first ACE event, and I wasn't disappointed at all.
It would've been a letdown if it rained again on Sunday, or if I'd
had an early flight back, but it didn't and I didn't.  :-)

I was very impressed with SFOT and the hospitality they showed us.
ACE members are a friendly bunch, and I made about 10 new friends.
I only met two netters, despite the fact that I'd written my email
address on my nametag.  My biggest complaint is that too many people
didn't wear a nametag.

Texas Giant easily zoomed into my Top 5.  I need to reride the Coney
Island Cyclone to see which is better.  The Giant was amazing in its
unrelenting, merciless, non-stop action.  LOTS of lateral forces --
keeping your hands up took a lot of concentration.  The trains vibrate
up and down too much, though.  (At the lunch on Satuday, a SFOT bigwig
told us that they're making some changes to the Giant, starting this
week.  Supposedly, they're going to make it much smoother, while 
keeping it as fast as possible.  Let's hope they do a good job.)

The Shockwave was also fabulous.  This is a Schwarzkopf double-looper
that offers amazing negative G's.  And being a Schwarzkopf, it has no
overhead restraints, just a lap bar (and seatbelts in the back, but you
can keep them loose).  I haven't ridden Batman yet, but this one 
instantly became my favorite looping coaster.  (Steel Phantom is
too rough -- your ears get battered against the overhead restraints.)
Shockwave almost became my favorite steel coaster, but I think I
like Magnum just a tad more.

On Saturday afternoon, I went with Ron Zawisza to Ripley's Believe It
or Not Museum and the accompanying Wax Museum.  Both of these were
worthwhile, but I wouldn't go back there.  At night we went downtown
and went to Dallas Alley.  This is a building with about 6 different
nightclubs, all with different types of music (and live entertainment
in 3-4 of them).  There's a $5 cover to get in, but once you get in
you can go to all of the clubs.  Definitely a good time, and next time
I go to Dallas I'll stay within walking distance of this place.  :-)
-- 
Joe Schwartz       E-mail: xor@acm.rpi.edu
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From: clarion@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Clarion)
Subject: Re: Paramount tames THE BEAST
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:52:56 GMT

In <1992Nov17.183620.28958@engage.pko.dec.com> buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com () writes:

>In one of their first moves exhibiting MAJOR
>TPM -- Paramount has sent the trains on THE
>BEAST back to PTC to have them all retrofitted
>with those awful, painful, hateful, disgusting
>individual racheting lap bars!!!

>8^(

FINALLY!!!!! Now I can ride the Beast without gutting my large frame body.
Sorry Buck, I thought this change should have been done when they did the
Racer 2 years ago.  Makes it much easier for larger people to enjoy the ride.


>See you all in line with a frown on my face... 
>Bungee Buck

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From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)
Subject: Wooden Rollercoasters
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:12:32 GMT




Call me old fashion, but the old wooden rollercoasters really
get me.  My favorite is the Grizzley at Kings Dominion.  The
steel coasters they have there are OK, but seem a little, well
sex-less.  The anacondia has lots of loops, and a tunnel, but
riding it, is so quiet, it's almost peacefull... definately
not what I want in a rollercoaster.  The Grizzely on the other
hand, rocks you left, right up and down into your seats.  I 
especially love how they have a small camel hump right
before you enter a tunnel, so it feels like you're going to
get brained by the roof.  A genuinly scary feeling.

On the thread about rollercoaster deaths.... KD has had
one fatality in the last few years.  The had an old
steel coaster called the galaxy that is similair in design to
those mini-coasters you'd find at State Fairs.  The cars had no seatbelts
in them, and o group of kids decided to have some fun, and stand up in the 
cars... well, it proved to be a fatal mistake, as this one guy ended
up being decapitated by a cross beam.  Ironically, the coaster that
KD replaced it with is a stand up coaster, called the ShockWave.
well that's all for now.

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From: sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor))
Subject: Re: Seaside Jet Star was (Re: Knoebels trades in JET STAR!  8^(
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:03:48 GMT

>Tom "Make mine a Schwarzkopf" Obszanski writes:
>
>>Maybe we can set up a "Jersey weekend" next summer and get a whole bunch of
>>people together to enjoy some of Jersey's real coasters (and maybe even a
>>taste of Batman at Great Adventure.)
>

I would be up for that!  Other than SFGAd, I've only ridden the Sea Serpent 
in Wildwood, a Vekoma boomerang.  A trip up and down 'The Shore' would be 
very cool.  There's also Clementon park, with the 2nd oldest woodie in 
America.
From: scott@svl.cdc.com (Scott Gerken)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Paramount's Great America Press Day Announcements
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:48:37 GMT

Hirsch#m#_Ed@msgate.corp.apple.com (Ed Hirsch) writes:

>Where are they putting TOP-GUN.  Are they doing it in the space still left
>over from the Wizzer (Which was a great coaster before they put in seat
>belts).  That's the only "space" I can think of for a coaster to be
>installed at GM.  Also, are they going to do a new movie next year.  I saw
>the Last Buffalo at least 8 times last season.  We need something
>different!

TOP-Gun is going in in an undeveloped corener of the park behind Rip Roaring
Rapids and the flume rides.  So far the lift, first drop and about half of the
first loop is in.  Also one of the supports for the turn where it heads towards
Theator Royal is in.
From: v120p993@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin F Hulme)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Flight Commander elaboration request
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:36:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi. I hate to ask a macabre question, but with all this death talk at KI, I
was just wondering what DID happen, as specifically as possible, on the F.
Commander in 1991. I am interested now. Who died? How? Was it a bad scene?


Does anyone besides me ever wonder what the hell actually happens after a
ride death? Obviously the ride is closed and inspected, but:

 1. Would they actualy reopen the ride the day of the occurance? Wouldn't
that be wierd; almost disrespectful?

 2. Aren't people weary to ride a ride which someone expired on?


                    Thanks,

                       Kevin
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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Paramount's Great America Press Day Announcements
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:45:28 GMT

Russell Michael VanTassell writes:

>> So, this will be a 3-inversion ride, as rumored, as 
>> opposed to the 5-inversion (Batman -- The Original)
>> at SFGAm.


>I think you're referring to the one in Guernee?  That still
>only has three, from what I've read.
>
>Unless I'm missing something...

The B&M Inverted Looper (Batman -- The Ride) at SFGAm in
Gurnee, IL has 5 inversions; two verticle clothoid shaped
loops, and horizontal "heartline flip", and two corkscrew
shaped inversions.

From the press day post Dave H. wrote last week, it
appears Top Gun will only feature 3 inversions; one verticle 
clothoid loop followed by a "heartline flip", and ending with a
single corkscrew-style element.
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From: hagel@stsci.edu
Subject: Re:  Seaside Jet Star
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:21:42 GMT


>Tom "Make mine a Schwarzkopf" Obszanski writes:

>>Maybe we can set up a "Jersey weekend" next summer and get a whole bunch of
>>people together to enjoy some of Jersey's real coasters (and maybe even a
>>taste of Batman at Great Adventure.)

>Hey, I'd be into that.   I have yet to wax off all those odd-little
>steelies on the NJ shoreline (like that looping Gaxali!), and would
>love to take part in a Jersey Shorline onslaught in 1993!


>Buck, gotta ride every coaster in America


Hey, if anyone's taking names/net addresses, please sign me up!  Just tell 
me when & where...

						Crystal Hagel

						
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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
 <1992Nov13.123252.13284@ccd.harris.com>
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Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:55:43 GMT


In article <1992Nov13.184146.20980@engage.pko.dec.com>,
 buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com () writes:
|> Bill Figie writes:
|> 
|> >  Just wanted to post that I went back and watched the GTE
|> > commercial again last night.  I am now 99.9% sure it is Psyclone
|> >(I hardly every say 100% on anything - been burned too often
|> > saying things like that about the computers and software I work
|> > on).  Also, woman is definitely not Lucy White or any ACEer
|> > I know of. 
|> 
|> 
|> Hmmmm.  Well, a friend of mine just taped for me a snippet of
|> the Tele last week of Lucy White riding hands up on the Rebel
|> Yell at the ACE Summer Conf (you can tell becuase of the conf
|> badges).  What was this from ... I just assumed it was this
|> commercial everyone is talking about??
|> 
|> 
|> Confused Buck

Buck,
   The thing you are talking about with Lucy White riding the Rebel
Yell at the Coaster Con XV was shown about 5 or 6 weeks after the
convention on CBS Evening News.  I just watched it again Sat because I
had to make a tape of ACE news coverage for the IAAPA.  Marlon Scott
asked me to make this and take it with me to IAAPA/TGIII. 
Unfortunately, I won't arrive till Friday so they won't be able to use
it at the booth before then.  It shows Lucy riding with another lady (I
think the reporter is in red).  They ride the Reb with Lucy trying to
convince the lady reporter to take both hands off the lap bar.  It is
a pretty good piece because at the end even stone face Dan Rather has
the biggest grin on his face.  The commercial is only 30 seconds and
the old lady looks more like Barbara Bush then Lucy.  It wasn't shown
on any of the games yesterday.  Hopfully tonight again.  I'll have my
VCR going.

	Bill "I spent much of the weekend dubbing" Figie
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From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)
Subject: Re: Wooden Rollercoasters
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:41:35 GMT




The King Cobra was removed in order to make room for the Anacondia.
The Anacondia is a HUGE improvement over the KG.  It's a lot like the
immortal Loch Ness Monster at Busch Gardens, but in my opinion is no
nearly as fun as the Grizzley.
From: jtl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Joe Lynn)
Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin
Subject: Clara Nunes & others
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:23:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Macro Computer Solutions, Inc.


There are two CD compilations of Clara Nunes' music that were
issued in Brazil in 1991:  _O Canto Da Guerreira_, Volumes I and II.
Volume I is EMI-Odeon catalog 364 792177 2, and volume II is 364 794646 2.
Tracks from both of these CDs are on the World Pacific US _Best of_ CD.

A very good multi-artist (including Clara) collection was issued last year by 
Capitol/EMI/Blue Note/World Pacific called _Axe Brasil_ (CDP 7 95057 2).
This CD features Brazilian EMI artists such as Sarajane, Marisa Monte,
Reflexu's, and a smattering of stuff from Djavan and Simone.  Despite
its focus on EMI artists (or artists' work for EMI), it's a pretty
collection.

(I am not affiliated with EMI or any associated company.  I just like 
these CDs.)


jtl
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