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From: jea@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Joanne Albano)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: AMIGADOS <=> UNIX problems
Summary: BRU FORMAT etc
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:35:54 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

I have been trying to go between AMIGADOS and AMIGAUNIX

1. DNET: So far I have found that DNET works nicely between
SUN UNIX and AMIGADOS but unfortunately I have a
ATT unix machine. Is there a DNET that goes between
ATT unix and ADOS?

2. Floppies: If I use the UNIX format that is documented
to AMIGAdos format, then I get error messages when I try
to read the floppy under 1.3. If I try to BRU to a 1.3
formatted floppy I also get error messages. The messages
indicate that the floppy is not recognized as a AMIGADOS
floppy. (My machine at home is still 1.3)

Does BRU work for 1.3 <-> 2.0?
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: scotte@cdsac.uucp (L. Scott Emmons)
Subject: A3070 tape drive, Amiga Unix, and AmigaDOS
NntpPostingHost: cdsac
Date: 18 Dec 1992 21:17:22 GMT
Organization: CableData (U.S. Computer Services), Sacramento, CA


Does anyone know if the A3070 tape drive is compatable with the BRU
program (called by the HDBackup program) in AmigaDos?

Software Hut (180093AMIGA) is selling A3070 drives for $349, which
is quite a good price...Are there any better deals on tape drives?
Will I have to buy the special ROMs for compatibility if I buy a
different drive, or are the ROMs just for speed (A3070 is advertised
at 3Megs/Min).

Also, is Amiga Unix still shipped on 150MB tapes? I had heard at one
time that it was going to be shipped on 250MB tapes starting with
release 2. My Amiga Unix was preinstalled by the dealer, and thus I
have no idea about what tape format it was...

Thanks!
 
			   L. Scott Emmons
		      CableData  Research Center
		     csusac.csus.edu!cdsac!scotte
				KC6NFP
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: seanr@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Sean Reifschneider)
Subject: Re: A3070 tape drive, Amiga Unix, and AmigaDOS
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 09:44:10 GMT
Organization: Rocky Mountain High School, Fort Collins, CO

In article <Dec18.211722.23733@cdsac.uucp> scotte@cdsac.uucp (L. Scott Emmons) writes:
>Does anyone know if the A3070 tape drive is compatable with the BRU
>program (called by the HDBackup program) in AmigaDos?

I have a 3070, and I highly recommend you getting one for $325.  That's a GREAT
price.  It does work with BRU, though I have not tried it under UNIX.  I did
try it under ADOS, but I ended up using BTNTape with gnutar to do backups.
Then when I got AMIX, I have been using gnutar to go to ADOS, and cpio for
my regular backups.

I think they're still shipped on 150MB tapes, but if they are shipped on the
6250 250MB tapes, they still work on the 3070.  That's what I use to do
backups on my system.  For $3-5 more for 100MB more, they work quite nicely.

Sean
From: keven@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Keven Ring)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: RZ & SZ
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:04:09 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

Sorry.  This is a followup for people who do not seem to uderstand what I am
asking.  First, this newsgroup is comp.UNIX.amiga, not comp.dos.amiga,
or even comp.communications.amiga.  I WANT TO DOWNLOAD FROM A UNIX MACHINE
TO A UNIX MACHINE.  I am currently using (on the amiga dos side) JrComm, which
supports ZMODEM.  The only terminal program that I have for MY UNIX is
a program called KERMIT.  There is nothing wrong with kermit.  I just want
to use ZMODEM on MY UNIX.  I heard that there was a program called ZCOMM
or something like that FOR UNIX, NOT AMIGADOS!!!!  If this is true, has
anybody compiled it for the amiga?  Where can I get it???  Or, how do I
use RZ/SZ in conjunction with kermit.  I have tried receiving from /dev/term/
ser, but to no avail.  




As an after thought, 

  Look, I know there are some intelligent people who read this newsgroup.
I asked a question to this forum a few weeks ago about an optimizer for UNIX,
and recieved many ideas.  Do I have to start posting my UNIX questions to
an amiga DOS newsgroup, and vice versa?  Come on guys.  I posted to this
newsgroup 'cause it's got unix and amiga in it's name.  This is the second
person (see previous article) who suggested that I use term 2.4.  IF IT
WAS MADE FOR AMIGA UNIX, FINE...  SEND ME THE SOURCE CODE..., OTHERWISE,
this is a UNIX question.  I DO NOT have this problem on AMIGA DOS!!!!

Thank you for your time, again...

Keven "Still lokking for an answer" Ring...
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From: seanr@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Sean Reifschneider)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: A3070 tape drive, Amiga Unix, and AmigaDOS
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:38:36 GMT
Organization: Rocky Mountain High School, Fort Collins, CO

In article <1992Dec20.044949.3695@ckctpa.UUCP> crash%ckctpa@myrddin.sybus.com (Frank "Crash" Edwards) writes:
>Yeah, and have you seen the latest price from MEI Micro Center, Inc?
>The 6250 tapes (BASF if I recall correctly) are $18.97 each.  Damn
>good price, from what I've seen.  (I don't have the phone number
>handy, but it's 800 so call information if you want it.)

So, my question to you all is...  Has anyone used these tapes?  I used to get
discs from them (was just about to call and tell them to quit sending catalogs
because I don't use discs anymore when they started selling tapes :) and
aisde from the occasional bad batch, they were good.  But, with 250MB per
tape, I'd hate to have one of them go bad...  I feel like it's more worth it
to spend $5 more per tape if it's going to save my butt sometime...

BTW:  When I got my 3M 6250s, they came with this nice notice saying that
they could cause problems with some tape drives causing some nasty wear
(my paraphrasing).  So I called them up to ask about this and the Tech
Support person assured me that this had since been proven to be false, and
that 3M was just being paranoid initially with the new tape.  So if anyone
gets a 3M tape with that on it, you now know the story.

Sean (who's 2.1 tape is a BASF 600HS, which I was told was a 6150 type tape)
From: ninja@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: linus ????
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 14:16:28 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

 
   what is linus ????
 

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From: ricks@odin.isc-br.com (Rick Schaeffer)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: Help with Xlib port for the amiga
Keywords: Xlib
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:14:59 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

In article <1992Dec19.094031.22744@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu> seanr@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Sean Reifschneider) writes:
>I too have had this problem.  You need to include the -lnls and -lsocket
                                                       ^^^^^
I don't know if that is a typo or not...but it needs to be "-lnsl" and
NOT "-lnls".  There *is* a libnls.a but it is NOT the one you want.


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: markus@beaver.uni-bielefeld.de (Markus Illenseer)
Subject: Re: RZ & SZ
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:41:24 GMT
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Organization: Universitt Bielefeld, Technische Fakultt

In article <Bz83Gt.2nI@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> keven@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Keven Ring) writes:
> I am using kermit under amix.  If I want to download something, It has to be
> done with the kermit protocol (as far as I understand...)  How do I go about
> downloading with ZMODEM while using kermit, or is it impossible? If, through
> Kermit, it is impossible, then is there another term program that someone has
> actually compiled/ran under UNIX (running 2.01, but can get 2.1), and if
> so, where can I get me a copy?  I had something new that had ZMODEM supported
> in it, but I couldn't get it to compile.
> I have the SZ and RZ source code, and it compiles OK (It gives a few invalid
> passing of pointers, but i think that they are for debugging purposes)

 I don't understand your problem. All you want is to up- or download a
 file using the ZMODEM protocoll. Well then use SZ and RZ.
 The kermit is not needed for RZ, SZ. What you need is a Terminal-Program
 (on the Amiga DOS side), which can work with the ZMODEM protocoll, e.g.
 TERM 2.4 does this.
 The only reason i can think of to use kermit is a 7Bit line.

> |keven@csugrad.cs.vt.edu|I'm your new commander - You are now my prisoner

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.internals
From: tlf@oclc.org (Tom Fought)
Subject: "struct socket" access
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:33:05 GMT

I would like to get access to the "struct socket" for a socket
descriptor. How does one go about doing this? I have searched
fruitlessly through manuals and header files without any success.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks.
Tom.

Newsgroups: comp.unix.internals
From: collins.escp10@xerox.com (Anthony Collins)
Subject: Re: if(7) network driver info needed
Reply-To: collins.escp10@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, El Segundo CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:06:21 GMT

In article 6590@sfu.ca, tdyck@fraser.sfu.ca (tReVoR) writes:
> I am developing a STREAMS device driver under Microport Unix SVR4 on a
> 486 machine.  The driver is for a network card (ISDN).
> 
> I wish to link the STREAMS driver under the IP module, so that the
> card can be accessed in the same way as an Ethernet card through
> TCP/IP.  The network interface standard, as I understand from reading
> through the documentation, is specified by if(7).  
> 
> Does anyone know if there is any way I can get more info on if(7)?  Right
> now all I have is the manual page from the Network User's and Administrator's
> Guide.  
> 
> In the manual page for if(7), it says that "network interfaces used by the
> Internet Protocol (IP) must be STREAMS devices conforming to the Datalink
> Provider Interface (DLPI)."  Does anyone know what the DLPI is and where
> more information can be found about it?
> 
> Also, does anyone have experience with writing similar network interface
> drivers (ie. for Ethernet or some other network)?
> 
> 
> 
> Any help is GREATLY appreciated!  
> 
> Trevor.

The following paragraphs are copied from the introduction of a document that I have 
entitled "Data Link Provider Interface":

"This document specifies a STREAMS kernel-level instantiation of the ISO Data Link
Service Definition DIS 8886 and Logical Link Control DIS 8802/2 (LLC).  Where the
two standards do not conform, DIS 8886 prevails.

The Data Link Provider Interface (DLPI) enables a data link service user to access
and use any of a variety of conforming data link service providers without special
knowledge of the provider's protocol.  Specifically, the interface is intended to
support X.25 LAPB, BX.25 level 2, SDLC, ISDN LAPD, Ethernet(tm), CSMA/CD, FDDI, 
token ring, token bus, and Bisync.  Among the expected data link service users are
implementations of the OSI network layer and SNA path control"

[Back to my words now]This document describes an interface between the data link
layer and the network layer in the OSI seven layer model.  I got the specification
from its publisher, Unix International, for free.  You can call Unix International
at 1-800-848-6495 or 1-201-263-8400.  Their address is:

Unix International
Worldwide Headquarters
Waterview Corporate Centre
20 Waterview Boulevard
Parsippany, NJ 07054
U.S.A.

The specification gives a thorough description of the interface, but it doesn't do
much to tell how to use the interface (i.e. when certain calls should be made or
expected, etc.)  It serves as a good reference manual if you already have a good idea
on how the network layer should connect to the data link layer.  I don't know of any
books that specifically explain this interaction, but any good computer networking 
book that references the OSI 7 layer model should.

Hope this helps,

---
Anthony Collins
Xerox Corporation
Internet: collins.escp10@xerox.com


Newsgroups: comp.unix.internals
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Ram Disk Driver by Art Reisman
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:49:46 GMT

 (art@chaos.cs.umn.edu) wrote:
: To anyony who requested a copy of my Ram disk driver and did not get
: I apologize but I've had alot of attempts to mail it out come back
: to it. If you really want it please send me your complete mailing
: address and phone # and I will try again
: Art Reisman
: Poliac Research
: 612-375-1066
: art@chaos.cs.umn.edu

Why don't you just post it?
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.internals
From: det@hawkmoon.mn.org (Derek Terveer)
Subject: Re: SVR4: getminor(D3DK)
Organization: Demi-Public System (One of the Eternal Champions); Eagan, MN, 55123-2507, USA
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:07:49 GMT

Thomas Jagodits (jagodits@vega2.wrc.Xerox.COM) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec14.034005.13663@hawkmoon.mn.org> det@hawkmoon.mn.org (Derek Terveer) writes:
: >I am having problems with the getminor() call.  I am making some calls
: >to getminor() in order to extract the minor numbers, according to the
: >ddi/dki ref manual:
: >__minor                             sdsg/Driver.o
: >__major                             sdsg/Driver.o
: >__makedev                           sdsg/Driver.o
:
: 	Did you miss to include <sys/sysmacros.h> ?
: 	All the listed undefined are there.

I did have <sys/sysmacros.h> included and I still got those undefined
externs.  Then, while looking through the <sys/ddi.h> file I came upon
the following section:

/* The following declarations take the place of macros in
 * sysmacros.h The undefs are for any case where a driver includes
 * sysmacros.h, even though DDI conforming drivers must not.
 */

#undef getemajor
#undef geteminor
#undef getmajor
#undef getminor
#undef makedevice
#undef cmpdev
#undef expdev

extern major_t getemajor();
extern minor_t geteminor();
extern major_t getmajor();
extern minor_t getminor();
extern dev_t makedevice();
extern dev_t cmpdev();
extern dev_t expdev();


This led me to believe that I should not include sysmacros.h.  Is this
an incorrect assumption?

derek
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From: seshadri@ces.cwru.edu (Krishna Seshadri)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.internals
Subject: Re: HELP: kernel routines for device driver
Date: 17 Dec 1992 04:24:07 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science/CWRU
NNTP-Posting-Host: mapping.ces.cwru.edu

In article <144400004@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com> sbmn@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (S.Subramanian(contr)) writes:
>/ hpcupt3:comp.unix.internals / hausler@aldetec.oz.au (Graham Hausler) / 12:45 am  Nov 20, 1992 /
>> 1. Can I access physical memory (not in IO space) directly from a
>>   device driver, assumming I have removed this memory from usage by unix?
>>    I want the physical memory at a fixed address, and hence cannot
>>    allocate in virtual address space and then derive the physical address
>>    (assuming I can even manage that !!)
>
>If your kernel has a sptalloc() / ptalloc() routine, you can make use of it.
>It takes a base physical address maps it to a kernel virtual address and
>returns this address.



All you need to do is choose a physical address range (not used by
UNIX) and plunk in a value in the TTRs (Transparent Translation
Registers) so that the physical addresses are directly accessible from
the driver. Pretty cool. I am assuming of course that you are using a
68040...

Krishna

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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.internals
Subject: Re: vmunix: sendsig: bad user stack
Date: 19 Dec 92 04:34:53 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>--  Why would interrupting a program during startup result in an illegal
>instruction signal?

See below.

>--  What do the log messages mean?

See below.

>--  Why does the log message say "sig=11" (segmentation fault), but
>"Illegal instruction", (signal 4), is printed on my terminal.

Because:

	1) "bash" is catching SIGSEGV;

	2) it did something that caused a SIGSEGV when you ^C'ed it;

	3) the user stack pointer was bad (the address 0xffffffdc looks
	   bogus), so the kernel couldn't deliver the SIGSEGV to the
	   process (it has to push stuff onto the stack to do so);

	4) if that happens, the kernel sends a SIGILL to the process to
	   kill it off, and logs some messages to indicate why it's
	   doing so.

Could be a bug somewhere in "bash"....
Newsgroups: comp.unix.internals
From: fitzgb@mml0.meche.rpi.edu (Brian Fitzgerald)
Subject: vmunix: sendsig: bad user stack
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:27:38 GMT

I have found that if I startup a shell, but interrupt it immediately
with ^C, I get:

fitzgb@mml0.meche /fitzgb (22) bash -norc
^C^C
^C^C^C^C^CIllegal instruction (core dumped)

In /var/adm/messages I get 

Dec 18 00:56:31 mml0 vmunix: sendsig: bad user stack pid=6856, sig=11
Dec 18 00:56:31 mml0 vmunix: usp is ffffffdc, action is 3eac0, upc is e00482e

I'm interested to know ...

--  Why would interrupting a program during startup result in an illegal
instruction signal?

--  What do the log messages mean?

--  Why does the log message say "sig=11" (segmentation fault), but
"Illegal instruction", (signal 4), is printed on my terminal.

Sun3 os 4.1.1

Brian
From: root@candle.uucp (Bruce Momjian)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.internals,comp.sources.wanted
Subject: Looking for ldterm inplementation
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:26:36 GMT
Organization: a consultant's basement
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Has anyone have source to an ldterm (terminal line discipline) STREAMS
module that they could email to me?

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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.internals
Subject: Re: Floating point emulation
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:37:10 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>Profiling data is collected during clock interrupts.  Any code which
>executes at a higher interrupt priority than the clock will never show up
>in the profile.  This is probably the case for the floating point
>emulation code.

I would be *quite* surprised if they had to run floating-point emulation
with the IPL cranked up high, and, unless they *did* have to for some
reason, would be quite surprised if they *did* do so....
Newsgroups: comp.unix.internals
From: det@hawkmoon.mn.org (Derek Terveer)
Subject: SVR4: getminor(D3DK)
Organization: Demi-Public System (One of the Eternal Champions); Eagan, MN, 55123-2507, USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:40:05 GMT

I am having problems with the getminor() call.  I am making some calls
to getminor() in order to extract the minor numbers, according to the
ddi/dki ref manual:


#define  dev_to_cont(dev)  (ushort)(((getminor((dev_t)dev))>>10)&3)

void
sdsgopen(dev_t *dev, int flag, int otyp, cred_t *cred_p)

{
        ushort                  controller      =       dev_to_cont(dev);


I am including the appropriate include files (ddi.h is last) and this
should work, but when I do an idbuild, I get the following errors:


camber:/home/det/src/sdsg$ make install
        if /etc/conf/bin/idcheck -p sdsg; then /etc/conf/bin/idinstall -a sdsg;
else /etc/conf/bin/idinstall -k -u sdsg; fi
        /etc/conf/bin/idbuild

        The UNIX Operating System will now be rebuilt.
        This will take some time.  Please wait.

Undefined                       first referenced
 symbol                             in file
__minor                             sdsg/Driver.o
__major                             sdsg/Driver.o
__makedev                           sdsg/Driver.o
ld: ../cf.d/unix: fatal error: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to .
./cf.d/unix
ERROR: Can not link-edit unix

Why?

derek
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From: brian@mbf.UUCP (Brian Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.internals
Subject: Re: Floating point emulation
Date: 9 Dec 92 16:10:04 GMT
Organization: MAI Systems Corp.

In article <1992Dec8.022408.16408@candle.uucp> root@candle.uucp (Bruce Momjian) writes:
>
>Now, when I run a floating point computation in an endless loop, and use
>the kernel profiling functions(prfstat, prfld, prfdc) to see what kernel
>resources are being used to emulate floating point, I find that 'prfpr'
>reports usage as almost 100% user.
>

Profiling data is collected during clock interrupts.  Any code which
executes at a higher interrupt priority than the clock will never show up
in the profile.  This is probably the case for the floating point
emulation code.
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From: jagodits@vega2.wrc.Xerox.COM (Thomas Jagodits)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.internals
Subject: Re: SVR4: getminor(D3DK)
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:06:38 GMT
Organization: Xerox

In article <1992Dec14.034005.13663@hawkmoon.mn.org> det@hawkmoon.mn.org (Derek Terveer) writes:
>I am having problems with the getminor() call.  I am making some calls
>to getminor() in order to extract the minor numbers, according to the
>ddi/dki ref manual:
>
>
>#define  dev_to_cont(dev)  (ushort)(((getminor((dev_t)dev))>>10)&3)
>

	[some deleted text]

>        The UNIX Operating System will now be rebuilt.
>        This will take some time.  Please wait.
>
>Undefined                       first referenced
> symbol                             in file
>__minor                             sdsg/Driver.o
>__major                             sdsg/Driver.o
>__makedev                           sdsg/Driver.o
>ld: ../cf.d/unix: fatal error: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to .
>./cf.d/unix
>ERROR: Can not link-edit unix
>
>Why?
>

	Did you miss to include <sys/sysmacros.h> ?
	All the listed undefined are there.

>derek
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> they manufacture our consent while we destroy the environment."

	thomas.
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