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From: nbaltz@uts.amdahl.com (Nancy C. Baltz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Saab advice?
Keywords: Saab Turbo 900 9000
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:11:41 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


Subject: saab advice
Newsgroups: rec.auto
Keywords: saab, turbo, 900, 9000, car shopping


Although I have not read all the postings on the current rec.auto
I have seen enough to recognize a few pundits of the car world.
I am considering my next car and am psyched about the saab turbo
900.  My ideal car is a 4-door, 5-speed, 900 Turbo with leather
interior....I would relish comments about this choice.

I am looking for a two year old car to avoid the expense, but
am growing more comfortable with the idea of buying a new one.
Can someone give me comments about the following:

1.	900 Turbo vs. 9000Turbo or CD
	The dealer in burlingame lured me to his dealership
	saying he had a 900 Turbo and then had me drive
	two 9000 series, one 5-speed and one automatic...
	of course, they drove beautifully, had gorgeous
	toys, and had moonroofs...
	But my heart still thinks that distinctive
	styling of the 900 is pretty great...
	
2.	If I like great performance, a bit of luxury
	and heavy car around me, what else would I like.
	I saw someone recommend the Alfa 164...I LOVE
	Italian cars, and would have loved an older 
	GTV6 (the old sedan model)....

These are the other cars I have tested:

BMW 325i and 325ix  (I am in awe of what people have to say about the maintenance of
these cars)
Nissan 240sx (Pretty styling)
Mazda 626,929, rx7 and miata
Honda Accord
Acura Integra

I have previously owned a volvo, prelude, and currently own a leetle old toyota tercel (toyotas are greeat
but so boring)


Thanks for your reply!

Nancy
From: dlou@TROI.UCSD.EDU (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Saturn SC vs. Nissan 240SX
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:08:09 GMT
Reply-To: dlou@ece.ucsd.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, San Diego


In article <1992Jul29.234356.9991@mdd.comm.mot.com>, ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng) writes:
|> My friend is going to buy a car soon.  He's narrowed it down to The Saturn SC or
|> the Nissan 240SX.  I want him to buy the Saturn and I've been trying to convince
|> him to do so.  I've been trying to dig up some trash on the 240SX but the only
|> problem is, I can't!  It got good scores in CR`s auto issue and I haven't heard
|> anything really bad about it.  
|> 
|> Can any of you Saturn fans help me dig up some trash on the 240SX so my friend
|> will buy the SC?  Thanks in advance.

The 240SX is rear wheel drive while the SC is front wheel drive.

Your friend should get the Saturn if:

1. Does a lot of driving in inclimate weather.
2. Doesn't know what to do when the car starts oversteering.
3. Isn't going to take it to the track.

If your friend is a Californian racer, you're up the creek.

-- 
Dennis Lou             || "But Yossarian, what if everyone thought that way?"
dlou@ucsd.edu          || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
[backbone]!ucsd!dlou   |+====================================================
dlou@ucsd.BITNET       |Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak went to my high school.
From: ccm038@rosie.ucdavis.edu (Jason Yan (can cook))
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Toyota Supra Repost
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:20:26 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <653@svcs1.UUCP> twc@svcs1.UUCP (Ted Chan) writes:
>From article <9207211702.aa25119@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu>, by pcolline@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU:
>> Earlier I posted about Supra's but only one person replied by email.  Doesn't
>> anyone own one of these or even like them?
>
>My brother-in-law has a post '86 naturally aspirated Supra.  The car
>is a bit on the heavy side and a bit underpowered.  Definitely closer
>to the luxury GT paradigm, rather than a sports car.  The turbo
>version is a bit quicker, but isn't anything to get excited about.
>I do like the looks, though this tends to be a VERY subjective matter.
>Quality appears to be good.
>
>twc@legal.uucp

Underpowered?  Hmmmm, I don't notice that in my 86.5 Supra.  I drive on
I-80 a lot, and every time I hit those 40 degree climbs up the mountain
sides, I can fly up the mountain at about 85 miles an hour with ease
(rpm at about 3500 - 4000).  It feels very solid and not at all like I'm
pushing it to it's limit.  Though you're right, it is kind of heavy for
a car.  But I think it makes up for it with the 6 cylinder 200 hp engine.

 					Jason Yan
					ccm038@fred.ucdavis.edu
From: sudeep@arc.UUCP (Sudeep Sharma)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 300Z vs. M3
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:50:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advansoft Research Corp, Santa Clara, CA


 I would take the V6 non-turbo over the M3 anyday.
 Its foolish to even compare 300ZXTT to M3!

 Have any of you folks ever driven a 300ZXTT.

 Sudeep.
From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re: Unmarked COP Cars (Was Re: More CHP shit!)
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:15:47 GMT

 
Here's a lovely tidbit on the newest patrol car in South Carolina...

About six weeks ago, BMW officially announced that a patch of land adjacent 
to Greenville-Spartanburg airport in Upstate SC would be the site of its      
first North American assembly plant.  On the day of the announcement, BMW 
donated one of their sedans to the Highway Patrol division of the SC Dept.
of Highways and Public Transportation.  After making sure its use wouldn't
violate the state's recently-enacted governmental ethics(oxymoron?) law, it
was decided that the car would be used as a patrol car based in the Upstate.
One lucky officer, almost certainly a longtime Mustang man, will get the job
of driving this new patrol sedan about, catching speeders and such.  The car
is the only 5-speed patrol car with leather seats and a power sunroof.  
Oh yeah, it's an M5.  So if you're ever in SC, keep a lookout for our fleet
of Mustang LX 5.0 notchbacks(both fully marked with lighbar and unmarked in a
rainbow of fruity colors) and one innocuous BMW M5 lurking on and near Inter-
states.  

Do any other states have any cop cars like this?

Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu
From: ms7b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark David Samber)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: HELP!! Radar IMMEDIATELY
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:10:29 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


This is an urgent request for information. 

Does anyone remember seeing an article in either Car & Driver, Road &
Track, or Motor Trend about new Chevy Caprice Cop Cars causing problems
with police radar guns?

I remember reading a story about this a few months back (oct 1991- mar
1992), but I have scoured R&T for the story and come up empty.  The
story mentioned that GM would replace the defects free of charge.  If
anyone knows where this gem of information is I will be very grateful. 
I have a date in traffic court tommorrow, July 23rd, and I think this
info can help.

As I recall the article mentioned that something about the glass and the
tilt of the windshield caused problems with the radar guns.  

The trooper who pulled me over was in a chocolate brown caprice.  Unless
he can prove that GM replaced his windshield and fixed the problem I'm
going to try and prove that his radar results are unreliable, but I need
the article as proof.

Thanks.
From: tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com (T.J. Higgins)
Subject: trunk-mounted luggage racks
Reply-To: tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com
Organization: The Ernest P. Worrell Institute for the Study of the Vernal Equinox
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:26:24 GMT

I'm looking for a trunk-mounted luggage rack.  However, I don't want a
permanent one which requires drilling.  I only want to use it for long
trips, and dismount it from the car and store it in the garage the 
rest of the time.  The J.C. Whitney catalog doesn't have anything like
this.  Can anybody point me in the direction of a business which might
have what I'm looking for?  Please respond by e-mail, the volume in 
this group overwhelms me.
TiA,
-- 
T.J. Higgins | tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com | Intergraph Mapping | Huntsville, AL
"Beware the man who does not drink" -- Proverb
From: shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: engine size
Date: 27 Jul 1992 20:44:54 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: whirlwind.berkeley.edu

I am currently shopping for a car.  This car will basically serve
as my mode of transportation going home during vacations from Northern
California to Southern California.  I am looking for something like a  
sports car (GT's); however, my father has the notion that engines in those
cars (~2.0L, 4 cyl.) will not last the 400+ miles of traveling at 80+ MPH over
a long period of time (as in the life span of the engine) due to excessive
wear. 

He believes in getting something somewhat bigger, such as a 4.0L V6.  SUV's
come to mind right away.  Although they are great cars and can handle the 
luggage, I believe that the GT's will do fine.  (He doesn't even think that
the 1.6L engine from Mitsubishi and the new engine (V6) in the Ford Probe will
have a long life span).

So does anyone out there have any opinions about this  I remember that there
was a discussion about this, but there wasn't a real general concesus about
the results.  (the one about bigger engines outlasting smaller engines.)

					David SHy
					shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bgm@meaddata.com (Brian McKee)
Subject: Re: Extended warranties for Hondas
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:43:52 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul24.200312.23071@mixcom.com>, kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com (kevin.jessup) writes:
|> 
|> I will be buying a 1992 Honda Civic LX in about a week.  The dealer is
|> offering an extended warranty plan through Heritage Insurance Group (A
|> Quaker State Company).
|> 
|> First of all (all you Honda owners out there) do I need a warranty beyond
|> the 3-year bumper-to-bumper warranty that comes with the car?  (I have a
|> 1988 Mazda 323 for which I bought a $400.00 extended warranty.  Am I
|> glad I did!!)
|> 
|> Also, has anyone out there dealt with Heritage Insurance?
|> 
|> -- 
|> Kevin Jessup, bbwwbb@mixcom.mixcom.com

I have a 1988 Honda Civic for which I bought an extended 5-year warranty.  I
haven't needed it (at least not so far).  The only things I've had to have 
done on my car is replace the tires and brakes (both normal wear & tear).  My 
extended warranty is through a company called General Warranty, Inc.  They 
require "scheduled" maintenance every 7500 miles or 7.5 months, which is quite
a bit more frequently than Honda requires and also quite expensive -- the first
one (4 years ago) cost $60, and each one after that has cost about $50 more
than the previous. I just recently called about the 60,000 mile service, and it
costs $275 here. (BTW, I only have 40,000 miles on my car, but because of the
"miles/months" provision, I'm due for the 60,00mi/60mo service already). And if
I  miss any of these required maintenances, or if I'm ever in an accident, my
warranty is void.  

There are too many stipulations and requirements in most extended warranties 
to make them worth it.  Having read the document in fine detail, I can guess
that I'd have a hard time collecting on anything if I ever needed to.

Something they'll try to sell you on is rental car coverage (if your car is
being fixed under warranty, you get a free rental car for as long as it takes
to fix). What they don't tell you is that you don't get covereage until they
determine that the problem is a warranty-covered repair. I know -- I've been
through this.  I had a small repair done for which I had to leave my car at the
dealer overnight. I had to rent a car to get home & to work the next day.
The next day they called and said the repair was not covered by the warranty.

I would not buy the extended warranty again (at least not for a Honda).  If
the dealer tries to hard-sell it to you (and you don't want it), use the line
I've heard in this newsgroup a few times: 

"The whole reason I'm buying a Honda is for its reliability. If you think I
need the extended warranty so badly, you must know something I don't.  Thanks
for the info.  Think I'll go buy a Toyota".

That should shut them up.
-- 
Brian McKee            |
Mead Data Central      | Ehrman's Commentary: 
bgm@meaddata.com       |     1. Things will get worse before they get better.
..uunet!meaddata!bgm   |     2. Who said things would get better?
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: dibb@dg.UUCP (James Dibb)
Subject: Re: NYS chase cars (WAS: Re: More CHP shit!)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:02:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Data General, Westboro MA

In article <Brx6ow.Cs1@cs.columbia.edu>, amb@cs.columbia.edu
(andrew m. boardman) writes:
|> jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) writes:
|> >Have you actually seen one?  From what I had read in the
|> NY Times and
|> >the local rag, New York will be replacing the Mustangs
|> with high-output
|> >Camaros, not Corvettes.
|> 
|> Hmm; perhaps a slip of the memory.  (Sportish American
|> cars beginning
|> with "C"...)  I've seen an artist's rendering of one, but
|> I don't
|> remember off-hand any details that would distinguish a
|> Camaro from a
|> Corvette in the picture...  I'll post details when I go
|> home and check.
|> 
|> andrew

Misc. data point:
	I have seen one of the NYS Camaros on the section of I-90
between Albany and
the Mass Pike.  I actually thought it was quite nice looking
( as police cars go.)
-- 
Jim Dibb               | My  car doesn't care if your |
dibb@jac.webo.dg.com   | car climbed MT. WASHINGTON   |
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: collins@gdwest.gd.com (Gary J. Collins)
Subject: Hell-bent on buying a Honda Accord
Organization: General Dynamics Corp.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:08:32 GMT
From: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Info on Centennial tires?
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:25:47 GMT
Reply-To: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Yes, Dunlop makes Centennials. I have had Interceptors on two of
my cars. Got 50k+ miles out of them. Sold 1 car, still have other.
Tires still o.k. I'm not a  "performance" driver but I have no
complaints. Interceptors were the equivalent of Dunlop GT Qualifiers.
Cost about $10 less though.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mack Costello <mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Code 1720.1       ?
David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC    ___/-\____
Bethesda, MD 20084-5000   Phone (301) 227-2431          (__________>|

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: andy@b30.ingr.com (Andrew Brezinski)
Subject: Re: 1993 Camaro
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:18:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.123706.674@cbnews.cb.att.com> rescue13@cbnews.cb.att.com (cynthia.a.collins) writes:
>I understand the 1993 Camaro is being totally redone.  Does anyone

As Ed McMahon would say, "You are correct, sir."

>out there know details?  I am considering this vehicle as my solution
>to my mid-life crisis.  Could anyone with details please pass them
>along to me.  
>
>cac

The most recent (August 1992) Motor Trend has a photo lifted from a GM
stock offering prospectus (financial report, basically) on page 28.

I think it looks pretty hot myself.  A very clean body with just enough
of the old Camaro's styling to show its lineage.

According to the articla accompanying the photo, most of the chassis is
carryover (I would assume this includes engine options) with the exception
of a newly available LT1 engine lifted from the Corvette program.  The 
article opens up with a statement about "almost 300 horses".  I assume
that this means it will be slightly de-tuned from the Corvette application.

Also, they mention the fact that the convertible version (which is also
featured on the same page in a spy photo) is only available as a Camaro;
The specifics of the Firebird make a convertible conversion "prohibitively
expensive."

I just hope this car is reliable.  I've heard that top of the line Camaros, 
especially mid-80s IROC-Zs were particularly prone to mechanical and
electrical problems.

Andy Brezinski
Intergraph Corporation
Huntsville, AL 35894-0001

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: russell@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (russell.w.keating)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Passport Wideband Radar Detectors
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:59:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

trussell@odin.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell) writes:

>    Someone from Motorola posted awhile ago and said that they stopped
>making the Escort DSP because Motorola jacked up the price of the DSP
>56000 that it uses.

I heard this same reason from Cincinnati Microwave when I talked to
them on the phone.  I thought that DSP in radar detectors was the wave
of the future and asked if the new Passport (the wide band one) had a
DSP chip in it.  That is when they said no, that the price of the chip
was too high.  They also said that is why they stopped making the
Escort DSP.  By the way, the Valentine 1 does not use a DSP chip
either.

I want KA protection and am interested in the top of the line Passport.
If you look at the specs (*for whatever they are worth*), you'll see that
the Escort DSP has better X and K sensitivity than the best Passport.  Is
it enough to be concerned about?  I don't know.  I do know that many
times I have been saved from instant on radar by my Escort DSP.  I
recieved one short tone and one LED lit.  I wonder if slightly less
sensitivity would have caused me to get no early warning at all.  I am 
not sure, but like I said, I have been saved before by having gotten that
short, weak, early warning.  I don't want to loose that level of
performance.

Can't wait to see a good radar detector test; Valantine 1, Passport
(wide band), Escort DSP, BELL STW 966, ......... ???

-- 
Russell Keating, N9LIL ------------> Send email to: russell1@ihlpb.ATT.COM
From: nstern@hbiso.ma30.bull.com (Neil Stern)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Non CFC Air Conditioning
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:54:00 GMT
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.

Hi,

I'm looking to purchase a new car and I would like to know the
real scoop on auto a/c and CFC's. I have 3 basic questions:

1) For how long will CFC refrigerants be available, and affordable?

2) What cars are available today (or will be available for the '93 model
   year) that use non-CFC refrigerant?

3) Can a car that currently uses CFC refrigerant also use the new 
   non-CFC refrigerants, or is there a fundamental difference between
   the types of A/C units?  In other words, can one replace the 
   refrigerant with non-CFC refrigerant?

Thanks!

Neil Stern  (N.Stern@ma02.bull.com)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kevr@is.morgan.com (Kevin Reilly)
Subject: Pricing on a Plymouth Colt
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:09:33 GMT

Has anyone out there recently bought the 3-door Plymouth Colt with
the package option? My mother is interested in buying this car
and am trying to find a range of acceptable prices.
Please e-mail me.
Thank you all in advance!!
Kevin M. Reilly
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.legal
From: whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl)
Subject: Re: Really a policeman? (was Re: Unmarked COP Cars)
Reply-To: whs70@dancer.UUCP ()
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:00:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.102658.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.141058.3281@mlb.semi.harris.com>, cbh@opus.mlb.semi.harris.com (Cherie Slasor) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul28.035848.10644@cs.ucla.edu> wales@CS.UCLA.EDU (Rich Wales) writes:
>>>In rec.autos, Jeff Chilton described being pulled over by an out-of-
>>>uniform policeman in an unmarked car, and wrote:
>>>
>>>	I guess my point is, that they (COPS) are out there in all
>>>	kinds of dress, and all kinds of vehicles.  Just because
>>>	you are pulled over on the highway or wherever, it doesn't
>>>	mean that it's a traffic enforcement officer . . . .  My
>>>	advice would be to keep the motor running, and the car in
>>>	gear, with the window rolled down just enough to hear until
>>>	you are shown some pretty authentic looking ID.
>
>In Fairbanks, the State Troopers do use unmarked cars to conduct
>traffic enforcement, and that includes using them to pull people over. 
>However, they are still uniformed when they do this, as they should be
>when doing this kind of duty.  === Al Sparks

In this day and age with the many lunatics out there, I think anyone is
totally justified to NOT pull over for an unmarked car, especially if
the driver in that car is not in a uniform.  It hasn't happened to me,
but I hope if it does I have the sense to calmly continue driving at
the speed limit to the next exit (assuming a highway or interstate)
and then pull off into a well lighted location with other people
present such as a gas station, or rest area.

Why should any citizen have to be subject to unmarked and/or
out-of-uniform stops for motor vehicle violations?

Standard Disclaimer- Any opinions, etc. are mine and NOT my employer's.
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Morristown, NJ             email via UUCP      bcr!dancer!whs70
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From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: OSHA new requirements...
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:57:42 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <rkushner.3f8d@sycom.mi.org>, rkushner@sycom.mi.org (Ronald 
Kushner) writes:
> What does Uncle Sam want? Us to babysit our workers while they are driving?
> How can you know for sure he's going to wear a seat belt?  Is this just free
> money for the government?

In my opinion, it isn't what Uncle Sam wants, but what Uncle Sam's
nephews and nieces want.  Life is a lot easier if you can abdicate
all your responsibility for your decisions to a benevelent government
that looks out for your safety all the time.  The government does
very little indeed that it is not asked to do, and we have asked
quite a bit.

It's terrible that the government has taken on the role of protector,
father and mother, for the country.  We have government mandated brake
lamps in our rear windows blinding the driver behind us, we have airbags that
might explode at any moment, and are only of value if a very specific
set of values occurs during an accident, We the text "Objects are closer
than they appear" written on our mirrors, and until recently, we had
the number 55 written in yellow on our speedometers, and all of this
because someone asked the government to save us from ourselves.

We have large scale and ridiculous litigation going on in this 
country becuase no one is responsible for their actions.  WE have
asked for this, giving up our rights one at a time in the name of
safety.

By the way I'm not responsible for this raving, I ate a twinkie for
breakfast.


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
From: knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:21:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL (SE-R & SC)
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos


> and is reliable.  Saturn has only 2 years of history which is not
> enough in my book.  Nissan has built lots and lots of cars that became
> classic and reliable cars which means that there's a very good chance
> that they will continue building more cars like this.  Maybe I'll
> consider a Saturn after its 5th year of *good cars* and *good service*.
> Maybe...

And maybe there will still be good jobs to be found in this country in 5
years so that you can earn enough money to pay for your car. Maybe, just
maybe....

The Saturn is an excellent car. Why don't you consider investing in the
future of America rather that look for every little excuse to send more
money overseas.

Just my $9400 worth (out-the door cost for my SL).

Tom

Newsgroups: rec.autos