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From: hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim)
Subject: Re: A sad news
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:22:35 GMT


MT = Mark Towfiq

AH = Arshad Hussain

Mark Towfiq quotes from a press release:

MT>Washington, D.C.--Representatives of the American Baha'i community
MT>today announced that a prominent Iranian Baha'i, Bahman Samandari, was
MT>secretly executed in Tehran on March 18 and was buried two days later
MT>in an unmarked grave in a Tehran cemetery.  Authorities refuse to
MT>disclose the location of the gravesite.

In article <1992Apr14.144137.9560@prism.poly.edu>, ahussain@prism.poly.edu 
(Arshad Hussain) you write:

AH>If Bahman Samandari had not committed any CAPITAL offense, 
AH>this  is  a shameful and condemnable act against humanity.
AH>Human life is more important than IDEOLOGY, philosophy of life.
AH>It must be respected at any cost.

Being a Baha'i has historically been a capital offense in the eyes 
of the Muslim clergy since the inception of the Baha'i Faith in Iran. 
The Bab was put to death by the order of the clergy. Baha'u'llah was
banished and incarcerated for 40 years through their efforts, and
no less than 20000 Babis and Baha'is were put to death by their
decrees over the past 148 years. All this was done regardless of the 
fact that Baha'is do not even participate in political activities as a 
matter of principal and are morally obliged to respect the laws of the 
land in which they reside.

AH>Alas! who will convince the MULLAH?

The opinions of the peoples of the world either on individual basis
or collectively is extremely important to let the ISLAMIC government 
of Iran know that its attitude toward the Baha'is is unacceptable to 
the global community.

Dear Arshad, thank you for your understanding.

Warm regards,

Kamran Hakim
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: A clarification
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:18:55 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York


 
My belief regarding father of Jesus has nothing to do with Ahmadiyyat.
I am follower of Sir Syed Ahmad Khan in this and many other
issues which have not been  discussed on SCP.
I have no desire to start any controversial discussion.

Please read 'Hayaat-e-Javed' by Maulaana Iltaf Hussain Haali
and judge for yourself. 

As far as Final Prophethood of Holy Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) is concerned,
I believe this is my faith and it should be the faith of every muslim
and it was the belief of my Pir-o-Murshad Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Re: joke....(be a darling, post one now)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:26:49 GMT

aq0@engr12.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi) writes:

>aq0@engr.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi) writes:


>>do maulvi kisi dawat me jaiten, 
>>jab khana lagta hei, too dono khanay per dat jatin hein,
>>wo dono itna khtay hein ke ek maulvi khatay khatay mer
>>jata hei, doosra maulvi yeh dekh ker khana khata rehta he
>>magar rona shroo ker dita hei, log us sey ronay ke waja
>>pochtay hen to kehta hei kay "mujay peta mei be mer jaoon gaa".
>>
>>translation:
>>
>>two maulvis go to a party, and at the time of eating they
>>just eat and eat, suddenly one them dies of eating, so,
>>the other one on seeing this starts crying, but doesn't
>>stop eating.When people asking him the reason of his crying he
>>says, i know pretty soon i am going to die also..
>>
>>
>>NB: if you know a better joke post it, i guess this one is OK,
>>    might as well be a stinker...
>>
>>    its better than
>>    those holy fights on the NET.....
>>
>>
>>Amer [paying $1.21 to AT&T, for calling Pakistan, and hate it] Qureshi.
>             ie $1.21/min

assalam alaikum amer (mir for me)

In maulvis' phada, often the chicken takes the brunt.
Be it fighting and/or eating. So, chickens should take note of this.

Now, some Mir for our Urdu listeners:

	Mir Kay Sirhanay Aahista Bolo
	Abhi Tuk Rotay, Rotay So Gaya

	Aadmi Bulbula Hay Paani Ka
	Kiya Bharosa Hay Zindagani Ka

khuda hafiz

Murad [darling for none love for all] Mirza.







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From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re Ahmadi. The Truth of Beauty
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:40:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Ahmadis vs Non-Ahmadis
>>Truth,Goodness and Beauty are not the monopoly of any one individual or group.
>>Sabaa.

	   >Maybe, one Entity! 


	   >Salman [doesn't expect most people to get this one] Azhar



Aaa! can Adil and I quote you on this one. We could use it you know :)



Naveed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Khawateen for/against ERA 
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:12:01 GMT

assalam alaikum

amer qureshi ney humaray post to earlier faiz bakhsha uuska shukriya.
Nu addition to amer's old list.

	Male chauvinism rampant in U.S. Congress
	
	Female congresswomen found this out when a report
	submitted by them on Equal Rights Amendment was 
	returned to them with the new interpretation from
	the Anita Hill Inquiry.

	The new interpretation said

	EVE RUINED ADAM, is the correct interpretation from the analysis
	of the report.

Murad Mirza.
    





Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nadeem@p.igp.ethz.ch (Nadeem Malik)
Subject: FIRST TEST
Reply-To: nadeem@p.igp.ethz.ch
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich
 Institute of Geodesy and Photogrammetry
 CH-8093 Zurich    (Switzerland)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:52:11 GMT

Ignore this message.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Brit. Elections, BBC, WShakespeare
Keywords: elections
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:51:30 GMT

assalam alaikum

This just in from Batoun ka Batangaar Corp's (BBC's) Mark Toley in Nai Dili.

Conservatives Won! 

for Urdu listeners

Burqay Wali Jamaat Jeet Gai!

(Note: In rest of the world DemocRats and Librels are in power)

The whole election was fought on the stage set by william shakespeare (wali
sheikh pir for urdu listeners).
  
"An internal memo of Labor/Librel parties was the reason for Labor's defeat.
The memo said that Neil Kinnock (Labor leader) believed that William Shaks.
was from Sheikhupura, (the hawks of his party had maintained that WS was from
Campbellpur), this belief of NK has resulted in Conservatives questioning
NK's faithfuulness to Constitution and Cruiseship Queen Elizabeth II.

Conservatives position has always been that WS was born in Strattford on
Avon, and was buried a few miles away under the new seven staged highway.

This last part irritated some of Moorshid's (ref. Dogar news) mureeds of
Kashmiri origin, since they believe that he was buried in Cashmere and
refer to this shair from Allama:

	Wo Kashmir Mahkoom'O'Majboor'O'Faqir
	Jisay Kabbhi Kehtay Thay Loug Strattford'e'Saghir

Conservatives have thoroughly, thus, blackened Liberals faces using this
controversy.

NEWS just in! IRA in a Fit'e'Mussarat detonated leftover firecrackers from
the last elections.

Over and Out 

Mark [ graduate of fitters academy] Toley in Nai Dili.
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Subject: Re: A suggestion for all Muslims
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:50:42 GMT

In <kurd3cINNfkl@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:

>do. There religion will simply remain confined to the 
>descendents of the original converts or some few new
>converts here or there. Let them become a non-issue like

Sir, For your kind information, more than 50,000 (Fifty Thousand) people
Join Ahmadiyya Islam every year. This rate is increasing and is bound
to mulitiply soon as it is the Allah's Promise to Hazrat Ahmad and is
also the Prophecy of Hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon) and Islam will
prevail in the world.

Another proof of Hazrat Ahmad's truth!!
From: abbasi@pollux.cs.uga.edu (Sarmad Abbasi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: My beliefs; I
Date: 5 Apr 92 17:46:14 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Apr3.161019.24723@prism.poly.edu> ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain) writes:
>
> 
>   Here are my beliefs regarding Jesus.
>
>   1. Jesus was NOT born without father.
>
>   2. Jesus had no power to give life to dead( birds or humans).
>  
>   3. He was not raised to heaven BEFORE death.
>
>   4. As Promised Masiah said 'You, your children and their children
>
>     keep on waiting and he will never come back from AASMAAN.'
>
>
>   5. There is not a SINGLE verse of Quran that contradicts my 
>      belief #1.
>
>   6. More than 30 verses of Quran support my belief #3.
>
>
>  

So..........



Abbasi.
From: ztm36511@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: TITLE/SUBJECT/TITLE/SUBJECT
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:55:54 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <kujikqINNmhu@skat.usc.edu>, ashai@skat.usc.edu (Ehtisham Ashai) writes:
> 
> 
> 	Whats going on folks. First of all I am sick of the religious
> exchange of fire balls and I really mean big balls this time. Knock of
> you morons, nay! you guys probably have got nothing better to do in
> life. You stinking, racist, moronic, castic and caustic, low life
> pakis wake up, its party time.
> 
> 	Its party time. Now everybody is all ears and looking at the
> terminal as if a girlm is going to pop out of the sun station or the
> pC. No way, dudes she wanted to come out but too much of Geoffry and
> Noor really scared her. Anyway she was a babe. Ah! you what Babe is
> not the movie the Babe, why does men come in to your mind don't you
> ever think about the hot stuff. The babe means now I am confused
> myself what does it mean, sometimes you can not figure out what the
> thing means but you know what the thing is.

[crap deleted]
> 
> I know you want an example for that like who cares whether you call a
> girl a KAAKI, BACHHI, BIBI, BAJI or what ever, but you exactly know
> what it is. People who do not know what it is should need a course
> (not inter, cos you cleared it quite a few years back)at California.
> 	 I just want to rectify or clarify a few things here, first of
> all I like mail and I get it alot my best friends are Kmart, sears,
> carpet cleaners and Pizza Hut. They are always worried about me that I
> should not spend too much and they send me the coupons. That reminds
> me of my mom who used to tell me that I should be careful withe bucks.
> God i miss home.
> 
> 
> 	Anyway you wnat to waste time go ahead and keep on reading I
> can see a beauty coming towards me, makes my day. SEE you later
> alligator.
> 
> 
> 	Ehtisham Ahmed Ashai (I do not understand why do people write
> their names at the end when it is really up there)
> 
> 213-747-1386 (CALL THIS NUMBER IF YOU REALLY WANT TO TALK ONE ON ONE)
> 
> 1143W 29TH ST (COME HERE WITH FOOD AND MONEY)
> LOS ANGELES (PARADISE ON EARTH)
> 	 


Man, are you on drugs or what?

zafar
From: v5086u6r@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Naveed S Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: TEST IGNORE
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:36:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Apr.10.12.35.55.1992.22328@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, murtza@andromeda.rutgers.edu (SANDMAN) writes...
>JUST TESTING MY SIGNATURE.
>IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT IT SEND E-MAIL.
>-- 
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>*WHO SAYS THAT I AIN'T RIGHT . . . .		* RUTGERS UNIVERSITY	      *
>*LIFE IS FOR MY OWN TO LIVE MY OWN WAY		* PH: (201) 596-1056          *
>*				-METALLICA     	* PAKISTAN ZINDABAD.	      *
Hav'nt you mis-spelled your own name. i.e your login id is spelled murtza while
your signature is different. Oh well! rock on dude
Naveed
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Circumstances surrounding Hazrat Ahmad's Death
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:56:58 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada


To all those who are interesting in knowing.
Asslam-o-Alaikum,

Every once in a while ehco sounds from an uninformed person questioning
the circumstances in which Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani passed  away.
I assure you that this nothing but a filthy rumour spread by those maulvis
and scholars who were beaten in every field of arguments and were left with
nothing but such traditional dirty tricks.
I hereby CHALLENGE all those who say that Hazrat Ahmad died in toilet or
in such circumstances to prove it or shut up. Lana-tullah-e-Allal-Kaz-e-been.
(May Allahs curse be on liar)

Here is why I never tried to answer this filth before.
All gentelmen I engaged in discussion with never try to use these dirty 
tricks. This point was always brought up by some low-profile maulvi breeds
who are paid to/capable of only this type of stuff. But now it seems that
there are a few persons on the net whose sole argument against Hazrat Ahmed
is this one. This alone can show there mentality and the ``heights'' they are
capable of going to.

Here is my answer.
Hazrat Ahmad died in 1908 and in those days epidemic of ``Heza'' (sorry 
dont have english word for this--Diarrohea, may be!) was on peek. Hazrat
Ahmad passed away long away from his home town; Qadian. During those days
Government had a law that dead body of any one died from ``Heza'' could
not be transported from one city to another, to help prevent furhter 
spread of epidemic. Persons wishing to tranport dead bodies of their loved 
ones had to get it checked by Medical Authorities who would make sure taht
person did not die of Heza and would allow/reject its transportation.
When Hazrat Ahmed died, his body was got checked by authorities and was 
issued a permit to take it to Qadian for burrial. This fact alone shows that
what ever filth these low profile maulvis spread is baseless.
...And besides, this is false and a white lie. I again challenge all to 
prove it. And iI say Lana-tullah-e-Allal-Kaz-e-been.
(May Allahs curse be on liar)

Hope it clears it up.

Regards
Nasir Ahmed Noor
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: baser instincts and religion
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 05:08:13 GMT


My dear felow brothers,
a few weeks ago i saw this disgusting and dirty movie called baser instincts.

tooba tooba tooba , may god have pity on these people. The movie has no story 

and is only about sex and sex nothing else. No wonder american society is 

decaying there is no chance for it unless these people are brought to there

senses ......

As we arre all good muslims i ask my fellow brothers not to see this movie

as it has no story just sex. I had to send this message to warn everyone.


Also all of us should return to our pure and clean country pakistan. By living
in a society like this we are committing a grave crime.

sahibzada rafay khan[sex, sex and more sex .......cant stand it anymore]
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: My Beliefs by AHussain (QD)
Keywords: qd
Date: 5 Apr 92 22:25:38 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada



Just a word,
I believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) was born without father.
I agree that from a logical point of view it seems impossible and against
laws of biological reproduction but then there are many things we can't
believe believe in if we start bringing in physics and biology!!!

Nasir Ahmed Noor
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca

p.s. same is also the beliefs of all Ahmadis I know.
From: khant@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Inquiry about Halal food stuff
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:04:58 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia




Please could some body guide me in regards of ingridients contianed by

food stuff.

I have a list of Halal and haram food stuff.  The list was provided by 

the Islamic society (Sydney) last December.  The problem i am facing is,

it says that only "LECITHIN" is Haram but "SOYA LECITHIN" is Halal. However,

in the same list the number 322 which is used for "LECITHIN" is Halal.



Regars

Tariq Mohammad Khan
From: vu0208@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Re: aik nasihat
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:09:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: newserve.1992Apr17.190952.5260
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton

In article <1992Apr17.163008.55367@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid) writes:
>Those who have responded to "aik nasihat" have implicitly admitted
>that they have been involved in "fazool bahas". Thank you. Salam.
>
>
>Ms u r not reading news properly.  Arrai app to burRa maan ga'eeN.  
>Chill out Ms. we are not involved in any 'fuzzol bahas'.  Rab RakHa.
>
>----------------------------------------------------
>The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.
>		                    -- Oscar Wilde
>
>SOHBAN SHAHID                 e-mail ss511583@longs.lance.ColoState.Edu
>Civil Engg. Dept.                      (303) 491 5844/8204 (work)
>Colorado State University  (303) 224 0397  (home)
>Ft. Collins, CO-80523

Sohban, she aint no Ms. it's him (Abdul Salam).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Can science come back to Islam [Part 2]
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:30:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr6.051433.12402@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu>, vu0208@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (??) writes:
|> 
|> Not exactly in those terms "dwarfs and black holes" Mr. Gopal. But
|> Quran does give signs and clues to these phenomenons and other exotic
|> stuff like relativistic effects! (and these signs are for those who
|> ponder and research). Remember Quran is for *all* the times, it has
|> many many things scientifically and other wise, that are yet to be seen
|> (discovered). So don't think that what ever we know today in science
|> already exceeds the Quranic knowledge so that Quran has become
|> obsolete or something (i know you didn't say that!).
|> 

Let me try to rephrase the question in the context of the Hindu religion. 
One of the epics in hindu culture (Ramayana) which was supposed to have
been composed many eras ago, mentions objects such as Agni Vandn (fire arrow)
and pushpak viman (air vehicle).  People who swear by the Ramayana say that 
these actually refer to what we call missiles and aeroplanes today. Similarly
other exotic clues are mentioned in the Ramayana (like telepathy, anti-gravity
etc).  

	    Would you consider these to be indicative of a highly advanced 
(technologically) society some thousands of years ago, or would you tend to 
consider them as fantasies of the person who composed Ramayana ? Isn't it 
possible that people loved to fantasize in those days too and forerunners of 
Issac Asimovs may have existed then. Please put aside for a second that you 
are defending the Quran and consider objectively as to which of the two 
alternatives would you consider to be more credible about the Ramayana. 

	What I'm trying to get at is that there are countless of ancient 
scriptures all over the world mentioning all sorts of things that the 
present day man has or has not been able to understand already.  But just
because we discover some likely resemblance of todays technological wonders
to something vaguely mentioned in scriptures, do we have to necessarily
retrofit our arguments in support of the scriptures mentioning all knowledge
available today.  I suppose, if the same logic abounds throuhout the coming 
ages and if the humankind, some centuries from now, chance to dig up some of
the sci-fi movies like starwars, they would say that the 20th century was 
far more advanced then themselves. 

regards,
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: reply #4 to Mr. Mubarak: REFERENCES ON KHATAM!!!
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:55:16 GMT

umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:

>In <nabeel.702778903@bellatrix.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan) writes:

>>might have misinterpreted it. Third, Mirza Sahib did modify/corrupt Islam,
>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>so how can you call him non-law-bearing prophet? (He need not modify that
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>God is one!)

>Could you be more specific in your allegation here?

   I meant, actually, Mirza Sahib brought modifications to Islam, e.g.
Jihad, prophets after the Prophet. That is there are some differences
between Ahmadis and Muslims, and the differences by definition can not
be brought by a non-law-bearing prophet. He brought a new law which is
the modifications he made, a new law does not need to changei the
whole thing.


>Nasir Ahmed Noor
>umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca

>p.s here is the arabic text you asked for from HAZRAT MOHYIUD DIN IBNI ARABI.
>    " Qat'ana an fi haza-al ummat man lah qat dar-ja-te al-anbiyya fi
>      an-nabuuat andi-Allah la fi-al tash-rish"

   In fact the word "tashrish" is new to me, I never heard of it and I do not
think he actually used it, I think you made a mistake. Anyway, if he is
right in his opinion it can be carried to people who the Prophet said will
be envied by the prophets and martyrs while they are no prophets. I think
those who love each other for God's sake (I am not sure).

**Nabeel