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From: whrahe@SOMNET.SANDIA.GOV (William H Rahe)
Subject: Re:  Kerberos on non-UNIX systems?
Organization: Internet-USENET Gateway at Stanford University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 22:12:32 GMT

TGV has version 4 Kerberos for VAX.  We have Version 5 Kerberos client 
facilities for VAXen running TCP/IP.  Contact Mike O'Malley at Sandia
National Laboratories in Albuquerque, Div. 1956 for Details.  Sorry, I
don't have his phone number or email address.
						- Bill
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos
From: pulverg@CPSEC.CPMC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Gerald E Pulver)
Subject: kerberized login under aix
Organization: Columbia University Center for Medical Informatics (CPMC)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:09:36 GMT


Has anyone out there had experience kerberizing login on an aix machine?
If so: did you just use login.krb as a direct drop-in replacement for 
/bin/login or did you establish kerberos as an alternate authentication
method in login.cfg, to be referred to on a case-by-case basis in the
Primary Authenication field of SMIT?


---
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161 Fort Washington Avenue, DAP 1310			(212) 305-3302 (fax)
New York, NY 10032
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos
From: ramus@nersc.gov (Joe Ramus)
Subject: Kerberos for HP
Organization: Internet-USENET Gateway at Stanford University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:56:57 GMT


Has anyone installed the MIT Kerberos 4 software on HP-UX?
We are running HP-UX 8.07 here.
Are sources available with the HP changes?

  Joe Ramus  NERSC Livermore  (510) 423-8917   ramus@nersc.gov
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.unix.ultrix
From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: is kadmind exportable as a binary? if so, begging letter.
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:12:36 GMT

Problem solved! DEC Athena came good and supplied kadmind as a binary.
It works fine with the standard Ultrix 4.2 kerberos daemon and the
terminal server.

Responses from 2 other sections of DEC were most helpful, as was that
from Oxford university.

The eBones version of bones is NOT at this stage completely conformant
with MIT V4 code. The Author hopes to look into this asap.

Many thanks to everybody who responded, apologies to all code-owners
and developers feeling maligned by my mis-applied logic.

	Well done DEC!

	-George
--
                         George Michaelson
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                         University of Queensland | hippos in Philadelphia
Phone: +61 7 365 4079    QLD Australia 4072       |          -Bertold Brecht
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos
From: berlin@is.morgan.com (Alexander Berlin)
Subject: Re: Kerberos on non-UNIX systems?
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:18:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.175549.18658@unislc.uucp>, jbb@unislc.uucp (Joseph Brame_Jr) writes:
|> 
|> What non-UNIX implementations of Kerberos exist?
|>   - Mainframe
|>   - Mini/Super-Mini
|>   - Mac
|>   - PC
|>   - ...
|> 
|> Thanks!

IBM has Kerberos 4 as TCP/IP product component for OS/2, VM and MVS.

---
Alex Berlin                     
berlin@is.morgan.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos
From: jbb@unislc.uucp (Joseph Brame_Jr)
Subject: Client/Server Configurations and Kerberos
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Open Systems Group
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:16:44 GMT

Assume you had the following configuration:

             C1---S1
	      \  /              Clients C1 and C2
               \/               receive services from
	       /\               Servers S1 and S2
              /  \
             C2---S2

Then you install Kerberos on:

  1) C1 only, to Kerberize login.
     Will C1 still be able to receive services
     from S1 and S2.
     In what circumstances would S1 and/or S2 
     need to be Kerberized?
  2) C1 and S1, to Kerberize login.
     Will C2 still be able to receive services from S1?
     I assume C1 would be able to receive services from S1
     and      C2 would be able to receive services from S2.

Thanks!

Joe
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From: mamros@athena.lkg.dec.com (Shawn Mamros)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: is kadmind exportable as a binary? if so, begging letter.
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:18:43 GMT
Reply-To: mamros@athena.lkg.dec.com (Shawn Mamros)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson) writes:
>	I suspect that DEC's product actually does something less than
>	full encyption of the packet, but there don't seem to be
>	halfway house #ifdefs in the V4 bones code to cope with this.

This is not true.  From experience, I can tell you that code compiled with
the MIT libkrb.a and libdes.a is compatible with code compiled with the
ULTRIX versions of those libraries.  The only difference is that the
ULTRIX libraries don't have any routines which allow encryption of raw data -
any functions or programs which need to encrypt/decrypt have the algorithm
in-lined into them.  The algorithm itself is the same.

As far as the Kerberos daemon itself is concerned, there are only a few
lines different between the MIT code and the ULTRIX code, none of which
have to do with encryption.

As an experiment, I tried just now running an ULTRIX Kerberos daemon with
an MIT kadmind, and the MIT kadmin client.  Worked fine here.

My guess is that there's something different between your DES routines
and the ones MIT used.

With regards to the exportability issue, from what I've seen getting export
permission is not difficult providing you can prove that what you ship
doesn't allow encryption of random data streams.  Encryption for the purposes
of authentication is OK; "encryption for encryption's sake" is not.

Disclaimer: I'm not speaking as any sort of "official representative", merely
as one who has access to both ULTRIX and MIT sources.

-Shawn Mamros
E-mail to: mamros@athena.lkg.dec.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos
From: k1w8221@amalthea.tamu.edu.tamu.edu (Khalid Sarwar Warraich)
Subject: Kerberos Literature Sought
Reply-To: warr@kashmir.tamu.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:48:08 GMT

I have scanned the ftp sites and come up with about 10 articles.
All of these articles are pre-1990 time frame.  The question
that I seek the andwer to is, "What has been published since,
and how can I get it?"

Thanks in advance.

---
Khalid Sarwar Warraich
Supercomputer Center
Texas A&M University
warr@kashmir.tamu.edu

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos
From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Subject: Re: is kadmind exportable as a binary? if so, begging letter.
Organization: Internet-USENET Gateway at Stanford University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:04:59 GMT

   Date: 13 Aug 92 10:45:47 GMT
   From: jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid)

   [The DoC also doesn't realise that DES is in the Public Domain - it's
   a US Federal standard for f*ck's sake - and there are many openly
   published descriptions and implementations of DES circulating around
   the world.]

   Good luck in getting your Kerberos troubles sorted. Methinks you might
   have to bend the rules and hope Uncle Sam turns a blind eye?

Just to set the record straight; it's not just the United States.  Any
of the twenty or so countries who have signed the COCOM treaty will have
such restrictions.  The COCOM treaty basically says that any
cryptographic material will be treated as *munitions*, and you are not
allowed to export munitions to another country --- even including
to another country which has signed the COCOM treaty --- without an
export license.

So as far as the COCOM agreement is concerned, trying to export
cryptographic materials is the same as trying to export a M-16 machine
gun, and F-15 fighter jet, or other implements of distruction.  Also
note that anything which does adaptive routing (read: TCP/IP) may also
fall under these export restrictions, since they could be used by some
enemey state (such as Iraq) to make it harder for bombers to disrupt
their Command and Control systems.

Just be thankful you're not living in France, where it's illegal to
*import* cryptographic material, and where it is illegal to use any
cryptographic algorithms unless you provide copies of all the keys you
use to the French Secret Service in advance.

Disclaimer: this should not be considered legal advice; if you have
concerns about being thrown into jail for being an arms smuggler, you
should consult a knowledgeable attorney for more authoratative
information.  

							- Ted

P.S.  Have a nice a day.  :-)
From: gonzalod@amex-trs.com (Gonzalo Diethelm)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos
Subject: AFS calls from C code
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:55:10 GMT



Distribution: world

Hello everyone,

This might be a FAQ, or maybe I should RTFM, but in this case
TFM is about 400 pages and I need this done REALLY SOON. So,
here it goes:

Does anybody know how to have AFS-like functionality in your
C code? Pipes or system() is not acceptable. For example,
how would you implement a function like:

int klog(char *username, char *password)
/*
 * Same thing as the Kerberos klog utility.
 */

but without opening a pipe and actually executing the program
in /usr/afs/bin/klog?

What I'm looking for specifically is a way of checking the
AFS information for a user given his/her login id, uid, etc.
The .h files in my /usr/afs/include directory don't even have
ANSI prototypes, and the manuals are VERY long and terse.
I haven't found any examples either. Can anybody lend a hand?
Please answer by e-mail. Thanks in advance and regards.

P.S. Just in case, I'm using AIX 3.2 and AFS 3.2b

gonzalod@amexphx.amex-trs.com
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From: ade@mh1.mcc.ac.uk (Adrian Collins)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos
Subject: eBones version of Kerberos
Keywords: eBones, Kerberos
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:45:42 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, England, U.K.

Has anybody managed to successfully get the eBones version of Kerberos
working?  I'm having a few problems, mainly in the form of a distinct
lack of any documentation relating to the installation of the software.

This, I think, is very similar to the installation of Kerberos V4.
However, although able to track down a huge number of documentation for
kerberos, non of it seems to address the issue of installation of a working
system from scratch.

Also, are there any patches required to get eBones to work reliably under
SunOS 4.1.2.  I'm having problems with rsh & rlogin hanging.  They appear
to have collected a valid ticket before sleeping indefinitely.

Thanks in advance,

   Adrian

--
Adrian Collins, MCC Network Unit, Manchester University, M13 9PL, UK
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos
From: jbb@unislc.uucp (Joseph Brame_Jr)
Subject: Kerberos on non-UNIX systems?
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Open Systems Group
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:55:49 GMT


What non-UNIX implementations of Kerberos exist?
  - Mainframe
  - Mini/Super-Mini
  - Mac
  - PC
  - ...

Thanks!
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.unix.ultrix
From: jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: is kadmind exportable as a binary? if so, begging letter.
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:45:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
In-reply-to: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au's message of 13 Aug 92 02:31:24 GMT

In article <ggm.713673084@brolga> ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson) writes:

   (1)     kadmind doesn't send encypted data on the network, it listens
	   for such packets instead. since it doesn't GENERATE encrypted
	   data, I hope a binary doesn't contravene the DES export
	   requirements. I already have exported product to generate the
	   input it requires, binary only, built into a terminal server.

Your hopes overlook the utter stupidity of the US Government. As soon
as someone talks about exporting something which has "DES" or
"encryption", the Department of Commerce goes apeshit. Even though
it's OK to export encryption software for authentication purposes, an
export licence has to be obtained. DEC appear to be the only ones who
have taken the trouble to obtain an export licence for Kerberos so
far.

[The DoC also doesn't realise that DES is in the Public Domain - it's
a US Federal standard for f*ck's sake - and there are many openly
published descriptions and implementations of DES circulating around
the world.]

Good luck in getting your Kerberos troubles sorted. Methinks you might
have to bend the rules and hope Uncle Sam turns a blind eye?

		Jim
From: Joseph_Jackson@transarc.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos
Subject: Re: AFS calls from C code
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:40:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: transarc.IeYahfn0Bwwc06B6J7
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Perhaps the program below is what you're looking for?  It will
implement something similar to the "pagsh" and "klog" combination.
I'll include the Makefile followed by the single source file.

If you have additional questions, you might consider talking to your
local AFS Site Contacts.  They have direct access to Transarc's
AFS Product Support group and can submit questions on your behalf.

Joe Jackson,
AFS Product Support,
Transarc Corp.

_______________________________________________________________
Makefile:

PROGRAMS=afs-auth

# AFSDIR = /afs/transarc.com/product/afs/3.1b/@sys
AFSDIR = /usr/afsws
AFSLIBDIR = $(AFSDIR)/lib
AFSLIBS = -L$(AFSLIBDIR) -L$(AFSLIBDIR)/afs  -lkauth -lprot -lubik \
		-lauth -lrxkad -lsys -ldes -lrx -llwp -lcom_err \
		$(AFSLIBDIR)/afs/util.a
INCLUDES = -I$(AFSDIR)/include

LDFLAGS = $(AFSLIBS)
CFLAGS = $(INCLUDES) -g -D_NO_PROTO

all: $(PROGRAMS)

.c: ; $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $@.c $(LDFLAGS) -o $@


_______________________________________________________
afs-auth.c:

#include <afs/kautils.h>
  
  struct greet_info {
    char          *name;        /* user name */
    char          *password;     /* user password */
    char          *string;       /* random string */
  };

int try_to_login();

main(argc, argv)
     int argc;
     char **argv;
{
  int code;
  struct greet_info test_greet;
  static char name[128], password[128];
  
  memset(name,NULL,sizeof(name));
  memset(password,NULL,sizeof(password));
  
  printf("Enter AFS User Name: ");
  if( !gets(name) ){
    printf("Unable to grab name from stdin\n");
    perror("Error message returned");
    exit(1);
  }
  printf("Enter Password: ");
  if ( !gets(password) ){
    printf("Unable to grab password from stdin\n");
    perror("Error message returned");
    exit(1);
  }
  
  test_greet.name = name;
  test_greet.password = password;
  
  code = try_to_login(&test_greet);
  
  system ("/usr/ucb/groups;/usr/afsws/bin/tokens");

  return code;
}

int try_to_login (test_g)
     struct greet_info *test_g;
{
  
  int code;
  char *reason;
  
  printf("\nName: %s\nPassword: %s\n", test_g->name, test_g->password);
  
  code = ka_UserAuthenticateGeneral(KA_USERAUTH_VERSION+KA_USERAUTH_DOSETPAG,
				    test_g->name,
				    (char *) 0,  /* instance */
				    (char *) 0,  /* realm */
				    test_g->password,
				    0,           /* lifetime, default */
				    0, 0,        /* spares */
				    &reason);
  
  if (code != 0)
    printf("AFS Verify failed because %s\n", reason);
  else
    printf("Verify succeeded\n");
  
  return code;
}
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos
From: glenz@ocsg.COM (Glen Zorn)
Subject: Re: Alternative network security architectures?
Organization: Internet-USENET Gateway at Stanford University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:18:52 GMT


Folks ~

In <9208201105.AA06504@relay2.UU.NET>, atkinson@tengwar.itd.nrl.navy.mil
(Ran Atkinson) writes:

> Kerberos is in fact protocol-dependent.  You must use their
> protocols.  Your query isn't very clearly phrased. 

He is completely correct; I should have been more specific.  What I *meant* was
"independent of underlying network protocol" i.e., TCP/IP, SNA, etc.  Sorry for 
any confusion.

~ Glen

Glen Zorn	Network Security Analyst
glenz@OCSG.COM	Open Computing Security Group
From: alan@curta.cc.columbia.edu (Alan Crosswell)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos
Subject: Re: Alternative network security architectures?
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:26:31 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

In article <9208200042.AA02811@ocsg.COM> glenz@ocsg.COM (Glen Zorn)  
writes:
> Folks ~
> 
> Could anyone point me to information (docs, papers, etc.) on viable,  
protocol 
> independent alternatives to Kerberos for network security?  Do any  
exist? 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> ~ Glen
> 
> Glen Zorn	Network Security Analyst
> glenz@OCSG.COM	Open Computing Security Group

- OSF/DCE security (which is really Kerberos v5)
- Digital Equipment Corporation's SPX (pronounce Sphinx) which is a
  public-key system.
- RSADSI's public-key stuff.
- Sun has a public-key one too that comes standard with SunOS.
- Read up on the Generic Security Service API

Take a look at the various security and common authentication technology
DRAFT RFCs in the ietf-drafts directory on your favorite anonymous FTP
server (e.g. nic.ddn.mil).
From: hta@boheme.er.sintef.no (Harald Tveit Alvestrand)
Subject: Protocol testers for X.400?
Reply-To: harald.alvestrand@delab.sintef.no
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Norway
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 09:31:33 GMT

Hi,
I have an aching feeling that within a few weeks or months, my favourite
X.400 implementation will be facing the dreaded brick wall of a
CONFORMANCE TEST.

Now, in preparation for this, I want to have the maximum number of bugs
picked out of the product BEFORE going there.
So, rumour and wishful thinking has shown two possibilities (apart from
the obvious one of interworking with everybody; I already do that!):

- Remote-controlled conformance testing services (like sending a mail to a
  server, and it spits back something horrible at you that you will have
  to handle)

- Buyable/rentable protocol analyzers (like sending mail to a PC box, and
  it turns around and tells you exactly what it thinks of you)

Now, does anyone have CONCRETE information that can get me further on
either of these paths?
Things like:

  - Product names
  - Contact addresses (E-mail, fax, phone or snailmail)
  - Approximate price (if applicable)

As usual, I will summarize if I get more than 1 reply!


-- 
                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
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C=no;PRMD=uninett;O=sintef;OU=delab;S=alvestrand;G=harald
+47 7 59 70 94
From: mskuhn@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Kuhn)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400
Subject: Re: Frequently Asked Questions on comp.protocols.iso.X400 - with answers
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:04:00 GMT
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen, Germany

Harald.T.Alvestrand@delab.sintef.no writes:

>5) Where can I find more information about X.400 and OSI?
>=========================================================
>There is various information on the FTP server at Uni-Erlangen:

>     ftp ftp.uni-erlangen.de

>and log in as "anonymous" with your e-mail address as password.
>Look in the directory portal/doc/ISO/english. There are a lot of
>files containing USENET articles and other sources of information
>about OSI protocols and related ISO/CCITT standards. The file
>INDEX contains a summary of the contents.

The path has changed from portal/doc/ISO/english to pub/doc/ISO/english
as this seems to be closer to the "de-facto" standard anonymous ftp filesystem
architecture.

BTW: The file "ftp" contains a few references with related information.
Suggested additions are welcome:

-
Anonymous Internet FTP sites with information about ISO standards:

ftp.uni-erlangen.de   pub/doc/ISO           collected USENET articles etc.
osi.ncsl.nist.gov
ftp.uu.net            doc/standards/ccitt   most CCITT standards (not official!)
                      networking/osi        ISODE
                      networking/x25
nic.ddn.mil           protocols             DoD and GOSIP related stuff
                      rfc                   RFC Repository
cs.ucl.ac.uk          src                   ISODE, PP, OSIMIS, ...
                      osi-ds                Internet X.500 documents
                      ietf-osi-oda          Internet ODA documents
aun.uninett.no        ietf/mhs-ds           X.500 based routing drafts
ftp.ifi.uio.no        pub/SGML              SGML/HyTime related things
ftp.uni-stuttgart.de  info/standards        various documents
                      info/osi-rus          X.400/X.500 papers
nnsc.nsf.net          CCR                   IEEE CCR articles
uu.psi.com            isode                 ISODE 8.0
-

Markus

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Internet: mskuhn@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de  |  X.500 entry available
-A distributed system is one in which the failure of a computer you didn't-
-even know existed can render your own computer unusable. (Leslie Lamport)-
From: bachelu@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Blaine Bachelu)
Subject: X.500
Reply-To: bachelu@cs.uregina.ca (Blaine Bachelu)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:38:41 GMT

I am looking for a discussion/news group dealing with the X.500 Network
Directory Service.  Not finding one listed in my .newsrc I thought this 
would be a good place to inquire about where I should look for this type 
of group or how to locate people which are involved with X.500.

Thanks in advance
--
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Graduate Student			(306)585-4005
Department of Computer Science		
University of Regina		
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
From: hta@boheme.er.sintef.no (Harald Tveit Alvestrand)
Subject: Re: non-public ISODE
Keywords: $$$
Reply-To: harald.alvestrand@delab.sintef.no
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Norway
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 07:03:11 GMT

Not quite right, not quite wrong....
ISODE will be managed by the ISODE Consortium.
One of the members of the Consortium is X-Tel.
Any Consortium member can sell ISODE for money.
ISODE will still be available for free in R&D contexts.

While I do not agree that this policy is the best for the further
development of ISO, it seems to be better than the alternative.

I think the alternative was to cease coordinated development of
ISODE altogether.
-- 
                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
Harald.Alvestrand@delab.sintef.no
C=no;PRMD=uninett;O=sintef;OU=delab;S=alvestrand;G=harald
+47 7 59 70 94
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
From: urle@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (urle)
Subject: xdi and isode 8.0 / sign_operation
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 07:48:26 GMT

Hello !

I've tried to rebuild xdi under isode 8.0 and got a problem:

xdi uses for strong authorization sign_operation(), a function formerly
defined in dsap/common/security.c. But this function disapeared in the new
release.

Is there a new function for it or what should I do ?

Thanks in advance,

urle


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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ