From: v072pygu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (trespassersW.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Beluga Whales Die at Shadd Aquarium in Chicago, Ill
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:30:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <Bv80DF.Hx5@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin>>ripped off.  The Canadian governement seems incapable of doing
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>>	Determination to stop this stupidity will pay off.
> 
>First of all, the name of the aquarium is "Shedd" not "shadd."
>Secondly, I suppose that you are against any type of animal capture
>for the purpose of holding said animal in zoos, etc. for public viewing
>and/or education.  My personal opinion is that IN GENERAL, people can
>learn and/or appreciate animal life better if they are able to come
>face-to-face with the animal.  It is one thing to learn about elephants,
>for example, in a classroom or from a textbook, and another to actually 
>see an elephant close-up.  I will be the first to admit that it is a shame
>that these whales died after their capture, but I really feel that it is
>for the overall benefit of the species that they are captured and then 
>placed in an aquarium for people to see them.  How many people have been
>able to appreciate the size and beauty of a killer whale by just looking
>in a textbook?
> 
>Moreover, by capturing and doing research on these and other endangered
>species, we can learn more about their habits and lifestyles, and 
>possibly figure out why they are endangered and do what we can to prevent 
>losing their species through extinction.  Look at what captive breeding
>has done for the peregrine falcon, and what work is being done to try and
>save the florida panther.  If they were not captured and observed, we
>would not have a clue about why they were endangered and we also could not
>take steps to save them.
> 
>-- 
Hello there,
	I hope that this letter finds you both happy and healthy.
You refered to to the "Overall benefit of the species..." in your 
response, since it was stuck in a sentence about whales I'll assume that
was the species you intend to benefit, but it makes you wonder I think.
Whteher it's Canada or Boston, (did you know that the boston aqaurium
is "observing studying dolphins" by teaching them to be live weapons
missiles that is for the military.  Strap a bomb to it's belly tell
it where to go and BOOM Wow, to help the species along come on, no one 
really believes that.  
	If you wanted to study a basketball player, if you wanted 
to know about how he plays, to study him, to observe his way of playing,
it would do little good to ask him to lunch, or to go boating.  All
we learn when we capture animals is how animals react to captivity,
and if we didn't then we wouldn't even need to know that.  And when we
do learn from this studying and observing, we learn that dolphins in 
captivity, anywhere have only 1/4 the life span of their friends in 
the sea, how come we don't let them go?  Why don't we learn from what
we learn?  
	People have a wonderful way of of moving words around 
and defending an idea that is obviously wrong. Why is it that we
don't practice heart transplants on people, regularly?  We could 
advance science at a tremendous rate if we relaxed our values concerning
human life, but who would stand for it.  The research continues
without the convience because it isn't a very nice thing to do.
I'm sure the animals didn't volunteer, and I'm sure the research would
continue without the convience, people have a natural curiosity-
every animal knows.  Then maybe we'ed go to the ocean to observe 
animals, or the mountains, that's not so bad; and the reward a brand 
new friend.  
	People are willing to acknowledge racism and sexism why 
not speciation.  Would you sooner kill a person or a deer?  Well a person 
can form family bonds much stronger than an animal.  If you were to kill a person you 
If you were to kill a person you would hurt many more people.
What about a mentally handicapped orphan, never to achieve the intelligence
of a five year old, and without family.  A dog can do better than a five year
old, did you know that, which life is more valuable
The only diffference is the species.  And it's wrong, I think.
	We, us animals that is, all feel the same pain.  As a matter 
of fact animals that rely to a greater extent on their physical senses
feel pain more accutely, lets all be nice to one another.  
	I can think of a lot better way to introduce myself than with 
a poker and a club-how about you?   Bye-bye

Rr