Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 17:55:36 EDT
From: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Reply-To: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 3
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.gaynet

In this issue:
                            HALLOWEEN DANCE!
                       Concerned Women of America
                     GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 3
                            Apology & friend
                             hola todos....
                             sig and gossip
                             Coming Out day
                     GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 3
                              mailing list
                 music, paris is burning, info on-line
                              gay & jewish
                            take it out day
                        perot's vp --- scary!!!!
                                Accounts
         KY attempt to constitutionalize laws against anal sex
                     GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 3
                       spring NELGBSA conference
                             Russellville

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From: laga@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lesbian/Gay Alliance)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 08:22:38 EST
Subject: HALLOWEEN DANCE!

	Our BiLAGA group here at Worcester Polytechnic Institute is sponsoring
a dance on friday, October 30th, from 8 pm to 1 am.  Alcohol will be served
for people 21 or over.  The price of the dance is $4 without student ID, $3
with student ID, and $1 off if you are wearing a costume.  We really need this
event to go well, and hope to see you all there, (If you are not too far from
Worcester).  We are mailing out information packets to about 40 colleges
within an hours drive from WPI with fliers included.  If your campus is not
on the list to get one, (If you don't have it a week from today), or you need
further info, please email:

			laga@wpi.wpi.edu


			Hope to see ya there,

				Kevin C. Tefft
				(aka.  BITCH)

				WPI BiLAGA

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From: hjhess@cwis.unomaha.edu (Heidi Jeanne Hess)
Subject: Concerned Women of America
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 8:48:11 CDT

My SO works at one of the telemarketing places and one of the calls they have
been getting is for the "Concerned Women of America." The 1-800 number
is to send a mail-gram to senators asking them to oppose Senate Bill 574.

While we don't know what this bill is about, many of the calls are incredibly
homophobic in nature with people ranting a raving about gays getting special
rights and how they choose that lifestyle and are out to sodomize children
... that kind of BS the fundies tout.

Anyway, does anyone know what this bill is?

The number to send a mail gram is 1-800-451-3344 -- when calling this
number, asking for customer service information costs the concerned women
more money per call than anything else (except, of course, placing an order)

the customer service number they give you is 1-800-458-8797 and the address
is: 370 L'enfant Plz. SW Commons #800
    Washington DC 20024


- Heidi

hjhess@cwis.unomaha.edu

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 10:24:53 EDT
From: jeff@millie.loc.gov (Jeff Mallory)
Subject: Re:  GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 3

Greetings all!
Would whomever set up the 900-phone line for lesbigay info, drop me
a line, please? I have lost my saved posts on the matter and had some
requests for the info.

thanks,

Jeff Mallory
jeff@millie.loc.gov

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Date: 5 Oct 92 07:44:02 U
From: "CJones" <cjones@wylbur.physci.ucla.edu>
Subject: Apology & friend

 Subject:  Apology & friend
 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
First, my apologies for posting the article on "Take it out day" on the net
after I lifted it from another post.  I meant to send it to Eagles, the gay Boy
Scout list, but I selected the wrong line in my address book.

Off to bigger and better things....

A friend of mine has picked up some interesting habits of late.  He claims to
be straight, but since he got out of the Naval Reserve training (or whatever
they call it), and I came out to him, he's been going to gay bars with me,
although neither of us try to pick anyone up (I have a boyfriend).  Yesterday
he drove out to my place and we went to the International Male in West
Hollywood where he bought a suit for a friend's wedding.  I suggested that we
get a drink afterwards, so we went to Mickey's.  When we left, we went next
door to A Different Light to pick up the free magazines by the door.  He also
picked up a set, and wanted to look around, specifically looking for gay
science fiction.  He complained that the selection wasn't great and we left.
In the car, he started reading the magazines.  He did ask me what AB2601 was,
though.  He works at Bank of America and has been openly very critical of their
policy of refunding the Boy Scouts (we met when we worked together at a BSA
camp).  I think all this is very interesting.  Anyone else see a bit of
gay-ness in this?

 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Chad Jones
Department Computer Geek
UCLA Department of Physiological Science
cjones@physci.ucla.edu
(310) 825-6528

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From: rcrawfor@bell.susqu.edu
>To: gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.edu /receipt
>From: rcrawfor
Date: Mon Oct 5 10:47:41 EDT 1992
Phone: The I-House
Subject: hola todos....
Ua-Message-Id: <PMXSTAR-2.2.1a-rcrawfor-000000real-38>

        hola todos....salut tous....hello all...my name is rob crawford. i'm a
20-yr.-old junior french/spanish major at susquehanna university in beautiful
selinsgrove, pa., in the middle of country music hell. can i just say that
it's difficult enough being black in this vacuum, but let me say that finding
a man in this hellhole is just not done....well it can be, i guess; but the
selection is just horrible!!!
        busco correspondantes en ingles o en frances o en espanol....
        je cherche des correspondants en anglais ou en francais ou en espagnol
        i'm looking for penpals in english, french, or spanish....

        i can't remember my address, so just look at who this is from and feel
free to set the mail flowing......

        ciao for now
        rob crawford---rcrawfor@bell.susqu.edu

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Date: 05 Oct 1992 11:02:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: sig and gossip
From: An Anonymous Sender

>To the anonymous sender who has the following signature:
>
>>"Women comprise fifty percent of the world's population, perform two-thirds
>>of the work, earn one-tenth of the world's income and own one percent of
>>the property."
>>                                         -  _The Beauty Myth_ by Naomi Wolf
>
>Just a point of clarificiation.  This quote did not originate with Naomi
>Wolf.  It's from a 1980 United Nations Report.  It has been quoted in many
>women's studies books and articles.  I also have a t-shirt with that same
>quote on it that I love to wear when I teach statistics.  Also, while the
>quote is from a 12 year old report, it is still pretty much accurate.
>
>John

Thanks!!  My book did not footbote the source of these stats and I wondered
where they originally came from.  I do think it is appropriate for me to
note the source *I* am quoting from though.  Again many thanks for the
insight.  :)


>While we're on the subject, I'd heard from a few sources that Tom
>Cruise is.  This seems unlikely, since 1.) he's (apparently)
>happily married and 2.) it would be hard to keep that from the
>press.  Nonetheless, I keep hearing it.

I could be mistaken, but it seems to me this is a rumor started by strayt
men who are jealous because Tom is hot and gets too much attention from the
women-folk out there...Its the same thing someone said about Mel G. when a
room full of women swooned at him..and we know he is strayt.

>More interestingly, someone I just can't figure out is David Bowie.....
> ...But now, this engagement to Eman (a female
>model) seems to be more than a publicity stunt.

Its a hell of a stunt!  They *were* married about two months ago and from
what I hear from my friends in the music business, its for real and they
are happy.  However, these same people have said that he is bi.  I don't
believe that he currently has a male lover, but my sources gave no
indication that his marrige would stop such a relationship.  Oh, one of the
summer issues of PEOPLE features Iman (I have seen both spellings and I
don't know which is right) sporting a new tattoo of a bowie knife on her
ankle/calf in celebration of her new love.

>Elton John.....More importantly, why
>is he repeatedly performing with Axl Rose (did duo's together at
>Freddie Mercury's tribute concert, and again at MTV awards).  Maybe
>I'm just paranoid, but everything about Axl Rose seems to say
>"homophobe" to me.

 Perhaps he's trying to enlighten the boy?  Maybe Axl's not a total creep
in real life...then again, maybe he is.

>There never seemed to be any question in my mind that Freddie
>Mercury was probably mostly gay (I know that's a weirdly put
>statement, but you know, Kinsey's spectrum).  Interestingly enough
>though, he left most of his fortune to an ex girlfriend when he
>died.

Sex, love and money are not necessarily related to each other.  :)

>And is there anybody that can make heads or tails of Michael
>Jackson's probable sexuality.  I actually admire the guy for his
>eccentricity, and because of most people's disdain for him, but one
>has to wonder.

Michael, IMHO is androgynous in most true forms of the word.  Even his skin
colour is bizarre and pretty far from anything I've ever encountered in the
world of humans...  I think he's pretty cool though.

>The Red Hot Chili Peppers get me wondering too.  At first I thought
>they must be for sure, but after it just seemed to be a part of
>their "outrageous" personnas, with their antics all tongue-in-
>cheek.
>Mark._

Maybe bi is my guess.  A friend of a friend dated Anthony and gave no
indication of bi-ness.  Isn't it great that they suggest it though?  I
mean, in a subliminal way, I think they promote tolerance in their fans and
I think its cool that they can be physical with their close buddies no
matter who is around..most strayt men that I know do not feel comfortable
hugging other men in public (for instance)...well, my close friends do, but
among aquaintenses it seems to be a little uptight.

Anyway, there are probably a hundred opinions about all of these things and
I just felt like writing instead of working this morning.  ;)
***
"lovin, and touchin, and laughin and squeezing....and love"
        	       	       	       	       	       	RHCP-lovin and touchin-
Freaky Styley

"Women comprise fifty percent of the world's population, perform two-thirds
of the work, earn one-tenth of the world's income and own one percent of
the property."
                                         -  _The Beauty Myth_ by Naomi Wolf

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Date: 05 Oct 1992 10:04:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: SLOMOWR@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
Subject: Coming Out day
Mime-Version: 1.0

In response to Dan Bennet about Coming Out Day:

Vanderbilt Lambda Association has a tradition of taking out an ad in the
Hustler (school paper) and listing our names under a brief description of
what National Coming Out Day is.  we usually get about 5 people to list their
names and the rest of the people list descriptions ranging from:  sophomore
engineer to cute lesbian grad student couple.. depending on their own feelings.

We also plan a massive posting on campus of signs that out celebrities and
figures from history.  The message is "History has set the record a little
too straight".. Last year we put up 600 signs.  Our goal this year is 2000+.

This may seem like a lot but we are here in the South and we need to do
what we can to get the message out. Also this weekend is a major football
game so there will be many parents on campus.

-= RoNaLd =-

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Date:         Mon, 05 Oct 92 11:27:28 EST
From: anna clark <FHI00AKC@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 3

please delete me from your list.  I don't want to receive gaynet anymore.  Thak
s.

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Date:         Mon, 05 Oct 92 11:33:04 EST
From: anna clark <FHI00AKC@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU>
Subject:      mailing list

please remove me from your list immediately.  My mailbox is too cluttered up.
Thanks.

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 12:12:11 -0400
From: info-25@info.umd.edu
Subject: music, paris is burning, info on-line

my suggestion for the radio station is the indigo girls (assuming you are
looking for music by lbg's, not necessarily music that appeals to lbg's).

about paris is burning: i once had a conversation with a gay male asian
friend of mine about the movie. i said that i had really liked it, thought
it empowering, etc. he said he did not like it because it portrayed
a stereotypical and narrow vision of gay life, and it was "obviously
made by a straight person". granted, a homophobe who goes to see it
might walk away with a poor impression, but i didn't think that was the general
audience. at any rate, i felt like livingston made a powerful point
about powerless groups finding power for themselves. any opinions?
did you like/dislike it? do you agree/disagree with the above?

just in case anyone is interested:

i work on an on-line database called information on-line. it is
accesible by telnet to info@info.umd.edu. it has lots o' junk (a govt
section including campaign 92 stuff, various books and historical
documents, etc). of particular interest to some people on this list
might be the women's studies section (under the teaching directory).
it's geared towards academics, but there might be useful stuff
for non-academics too (there is a directory of feminist film reviews).
anyway, check it out. also, if anyone has info or announcements that
they feel might fit into one of the sections, send it along!

paula
info-25@info.umd.edu

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:13:46 -0600 (PDT)
From: John Medlin <jmedlin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: gay & jewish
Mime-Version: 1.0

Somewhere I've gotten wind of a new book, or perhaps just one that's been
around for awhile, dealing with the subject of being gay and Jewish.  Does
anyone have any information for me?  A gay-positive bookstore didn't know
of one and checked a database under various topics with no results.
Gabriel?  Huh?

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:23:02 -0600 (PDT)
From: John Medlin <jmedlin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: take it out day
Mime-Version: 1.0

The take-it-out campaign brings up a moral dilemma in Seattle--SeaFirst
Bank, a B of A subsidiary or whatever, is very gay-positive.  Why punish
them to get at their parent company?  SeaFirst has sponsored a (gay) Pride
Foundation-connected VISA card account, and in my personal case, has seen
to it that my lover and I get married-couple perks on our mortgage
(straight young man assigned as our "personal banker":  'I see that
married couples can get blah blah...if anybody's married it's you two'
He then checks appropriate box on form.).  I can't see withdrawing my
account...could you?

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 12:59:31 -0400
From: info-25@info.umd.edu
Subject: perot's vp --- scary!!!!

Received from another list:

/* Written  6:32 am  Oct  3, 1992 by cberlet in cdp:elections.usa */
/* ---------- "Perot's VP Stockdale & Racism" ---------- */

Stockdale and the Rockford Institute

by Chip Berlet

Perot's choice for running mate, James Bond Stockdale, has a
history of afilliations that raise questions concerning his
sensitivity to issues of racial justice and sexism.

Stockdale served as the president of the Citadel, a southern
military academy that gained noteriety for allowing racially-
based harassment of African-American cadets and for its policies
discriminating against women.

More troubling is Stockdale's current service on the Board of the
Rockford Institute, a leading right-wing think that helped
formulate the battle plan for the "Culture War" discussed at the
Republican convention. The Rockford Institute has drifted so far
to the right in recent years that even elements of the so-called
"New Right" have raised questions concerning examples of anti-
Semitism and racism creeping into the Institute's publications.
When an employee of Rockford suggested the Institute was allowing
anti-Jewish themes to emerge, he was summarily fired, locked out
of his office, and his possessions stacked in the street.

Margaret Quigley of Political Research Associates has studied the
Rockford Institute and concludes that it now has adopted many
core themes of the European neo-fascist movements, including the
aristocratic fascism of Le Pen and Benoist, and the more earthy
"Third Position," which is a re-packaged ideology based on
national socialism, the early political basis of Hitler's Nazi
movement.

Rockford promotes a Euro-centric brand of white supremacy,
considers Jews to have brought an "alien" culture to the U.S.,
and is anti-immigrant. Stockdale's position on the board of the
Rockford Institute is certain to raise questions about his own
political beliefs in these matters, and at the very least shows
an alarming lack of sensitivity to racial issues.

                        -30-

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Subject: Accounts
From: system@mindvox.phantom.com (System Administrator)
Comments: Hello!  Do not be alarmed!
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 13:59:52 EDT
Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system

Hey guys,

| joel234@mindvox.phantom.com ... transport mvox: child returned status EX_4
| shariv@mindvox.phantom.com ... transport mvox: child returned status EX_4
| jasonl5493@mindvox.phantom.com ... transport mvox: child returned status EX_
| sam.damon@mindvox.phantom.com ... transport mvox: child returned status EX_4
| damon@mindvox.phantom.com ... transport mvox: child returned status EX_4

Are accounts which have never existed, but keep getting copies of your
mailing at our site (which is a public access system).  While there are
several subscribers to your mailing list at our address, NONE of the above
have ever existed.  Could you please remove them at your end, or figure
out why your software has decided to start sending us copies of mailings
that should have gone elsewhere.

Thank you!

Richard / Phantom Access

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Date:         Mon, 05 Oct 92 12:48:52 MST
From: Gabriel <G9348712@NMSUVM1.NMSU.EDU>
Subject:      KY attempt to constitutionalize laws against anal sex

Keith Elston reports that a KY state legislator has proposed an anti-anal sex
amendment to the state constitution.  Supposedly, it's to slow the spread of
AIDS.  The legislator goes on to say:


> Harper said condoms are not always successful.  "The facts bear out that
> when people get the urge to perform some acts, they may not have a
> condom."

Harper is, of course, correct.  But if he realizes that the passions of sex
can overwhelm people's rational minds, why does he think that they will chill
out because what they are doing is illegal?
                                           Gabriel  (in New Mexico)

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Date: 05 Oct 92 09:37:56 EDT
From: Chris Beatty <70474.3677@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 3

Greetings!

Allow me to echo the sentiments that it is "good to be connected to GayNet
again!"  I have greatly missed the discussions we have on the network!

Since I was last connected in '91, I have moved from Indiana to Saint Louis.
As the love of my life was transfered to SL, I left my computer career in IN
and moved to the great state of MO!  Much nicer and larger community of
"friends" here.  Statistically, I knew there would be more gay people in
Saint Louis, than in small town IN--But the gay community seems more
socially RELAXED than what we are used to.

Well, now that I am out of Indiana (and missing my old network of friends),
are there any GayNetters that are affiliated with Saint Louis U or Wash U?
I would be overjoyed to hear from you via E-Mail, if you would be so kind!

Does anyone else wonder if Ross Perot might have Nazi inclinations?

Chris Beatty
Send correspondence to: 70474.3677@CompuServe.com

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From: rcrawfor@bell.susqu.edu
>To: gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.edu
>From: rcrawfor
Date: Mon Oct 5 17:24:31 EDT 1992
Phone: The I-House
Subject: spring NELGBSA conference
Ua-Message-Id: <PMXSTAR-2.2.1a-rcrawfor-000000real-49>

        where is it?

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Date: 05 Oct 92 10:36:18 EDT
From: Keith Elston <74160.2115@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Russellville

An addendum to my last report on the Battle of Russellville.

The Family Foundation, headed by Lexington's own Kent Ostrander, is
planning a town meeting in Russellville next Monday evening to help whip
anti-gay sentiment to fever pitch.  I expect this to have serious
repercussions for the folks at Stone Mountain, the gay men's retreat.

Got any suggestions about what we can do for these guys?

Keith

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!                                                             !
!         Eternal vigilence is the price of liberty.          !
!                                                             !
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!                                                             !
!    Keith D. Elston, ACLU of Kentucky, Central KY chapter    !
!    Address: >INTERNET:74160.2115@compuserve.com             !
!                                                             !
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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