HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jpw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason P. Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Critical Mind?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 02:15:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jpw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason P. Wright)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Wow, I have just started reading this newsgroup and have been bombarded
with all sorts of information.

Here are my observations:
	*Anyone declaring an open mind while repeating himself over and
	 over is probably lying.
	*A bibliography alone does not make you an expert (reading
	 helps)
	*A little knowledge goes a long long way.

Anyone who wants a complete unabridged documentation of e-mailings with
Ted Frank that allowed me to come to this conclusion, E-mail me at :
jpw4@po.cwru.edu


Newsgroups: soc.college
From: cscullion@TrentU.CA (chris d. scullion)
Subject: Info Request:  email address NIRD - Hyderabad, India
Reply-To: cscullion@TrentU.CA
Organization: Trent University, Peterborough
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:00:51 GMT

Greeting....

to the internet?  If you have any information, please reply to the address
below.

Thanks in advance!!

					chris scullion
					cscullion@trentu.ca
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: lohsej@pell2l8.alleg.edu (James Lohse)
Subject: College e-mail addresses :Illinois Institute of Tech and Lehigh  Univ
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:59:17 GMT

This is very important.  I need to find the e-mail addresse of two people.   
One goes to the Illinois Institute of Technology his name is Dave  
Olverson.  He tells me that the address should be something like  
olvedav@iitvax.iit.edu and whenever I finger that address to get info the  
Karl system tells me that the "argument list is not permitted."  can  
someone help me?
	The second person attends Lehigh University and his name is Ronald  
P. Swanson.   I got hold of someone at Lehigh however , I was told that I  
needed his permission to have the address.

I need help!
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Wasted Bandwidth Thread
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:48:26 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Nov23.155910.2486@gacvx2.gac.edu> censtad@nic.gac.edu   enstad@gacvx1.gac.edu     writes:
>Nope Mr. Frank I know you cross-copied the letter you sent HIM but what is  
>your proof!!!  

That (1) you admitted to your sysadmin that you harassed me (or so he claims
when he sent me e-mail saying that you've agreed to stop), (2) you admitted 
on a Usenet newsgroup that you harassed me, and (3) I cross-copied to me all
of the letters I sent to you asking to stop harassing me and each of those
letters contained an "In-Reply-To" message identifying that your account did
indeed send me mail on eight separate occasions, five of which were after I
asked you to stop sending me mail. 

In a last resort, I can strip the headers off of your e-mail as proof.

>Can I just go to your sysadmin and claim that you are  
>harassing me?  

If you want to make that false claim, and take whatever consequences happen
when my sysadmin complains to your sysadmin that you're making harassing
complaints, go right ahead.

>Hmmm....must be great having as much power as Hitler to say  
>what has happened and what hasn't with no evidence in the least.

I suggest that you apologize for this remark.  Or at the very least learn what
Hitler did so that you don't make such offensive statements.  I asked you
politely four times to stop harassing me, and you continued to send me e-mail,
at which point I complained to your sysadmin.  I humbly suggest that such
behavior is not quite on the scale of Hitler.  

>Tell me Mr. Frank, do you like that power?  Do you love it???  Do you live  
>every moment hoping that someone flames you like this so you can respond?

No, I'd prefer to get back to the paper I'm writing.  Which is why I complain
to sysadmins when people like you start harassing me after repeated requests
to stop.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Fraternal Reality From a Greek
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:27:55 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Nov23.084802.2227@ncsu.edu> jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.083215.12554@umr.edu>, ckincy@mcs213h.cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) writes:
>=>We're not asking that the Greek system be abolished.  Granted, it
>=>would make some of us happier that people didn't need to have their
>=>egos stroked by minions of the fraternity system, but we would be
>=>happy to see two little reforms instituted in the Greek system.
>=>[1] no hazing; [2] no discrimination.  Period.  That means, no 
>=>denial of membership because X is a _________.  
>
>=>As a bonus, we're even asking you to do it voluntarily.  For your
>=>own good.  Because a fascist administration may get just a little too
>=>upset at you, and, *whoosh*, no more Greek system.  Wouldn't that be
>=>a shame?
>
>I just love having somebody else tell me what to think and how to think it.
>It isn't facist administrations that I worry about, it is facist individuals
>such as yourself.  

I take it Martin Luther King was a "facist" for wanting to desegregate
schools. 

>As for getting rid of a Greek system, I would hate to imagine
>the lawsuits which would be filed against a public institution for what would
>amount to discrimination based on membership in a Greek Letter Organization.

No need to imagine!  Look it up yourself!

10 ALR3d 389 (listing such cases in private and public schools)
Phelps v Colby College, 595 A2d 403 (upholding suspension at private school)
Sigma Chi v University of Colorado, 258 F Supp 515 (upholding university's
	punishment of fraternity that discriminated against blacks)
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott W. Gatchall)
Subject: Re: Fraternal Reality From a Greek
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:54:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.193725.21918@umr.edu> ckincy@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.150031.21368@rtsg.mot.com> gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott W. Gatchall) writes:
>
>As for Ted, he went to a school that doesn't have Greek letter organizations,
>so your assumption is false.  As for me, I discovered early what Greek
>life was like and decided not to play the game.  I think you're
>off base.  Tag!  You're out!

So, tell me, Einstein.  Did you attend each and ever college/university
sampling each fraternity?  You based your observations off of one
Greek system.  Based on interactions with various chapters of my 
fraternity on different campuses ... I can assure you that there is a great degree 
of difference.  You can bet the goals and aspirations of fraternity members
at Stupid U. and Smart U. vary greatly.  For those who've studied
logic  ... here's a classic example of a hasty generalization which
seems to be an infectious disease amongst anti-greeks.


>cpk





-- 
=========================================================
Scott W. Gatchall        |   scottg%isdgsm@rtsg.mot.com |
Motorola, Inc.           |                              |
=========================================================
From: jpw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason P. Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: so sue me
Date: 19 Nov 1992 07:46:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jpw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason P. Wright)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


>>I am willing to provide an  unedited copy of a discussion carri
ed out by
>>myself and Ted Frank which will clear up the positions of both 
sides of
>>this issue.  But Ted Frank has threatened to sue me if I do so.
>
>Because
>
>(1) What I write back in response to insulting and harassing ant
i-Semitic
>    mail is of no one's business, much less of any relevance to 
the
>    discussion on fraternities, and
>
>(2) Any e-mail I send has a copyright, and its distribution with
out my
>    permission is illegal under Federal law.
 >
>>Therefore I thought "a weenie" is an appropriate representation
 of what
>>he is acting like.  Perhaps calling him a spineless twit would 
have been
>>more appropriate.
>
>This was about the level of the twenty-eight or so e-mail messag
es I
>received from Mr. Wright, twenty-five of which came after I aske
d him
 >to stop sending me e-mail.
>
>>ps those of you who requested my end plus a paraphrased version
 of Ted
>>Frank can be expecting them sometime on Friday.
>
>Why don't you post this alleged "paraphrasing"?  Or are you afra
id that
>I'll refute your misrepresentations?
>
>Two of my friends are among those who've already sent out reques
ts for
>your paraphrasing.  I remind you that you and your university ar
e
>liable for any libelous remarks that you might make using your u
niversity
>e-mail account.
>--

I can certainly find better ways of mistating your opinions than
offering to forward your mail.  I did not send 25 messages to you after
you said stop, and I am only afraid you will refute the truth, much like
you are doing now.

I would post this alleged paraphrasing, but I dont want to bore the
people who have heard you repeat it for the last two years.

You can remind me all you want about liability, but after my discussions
with you I am convinced that you dont have enough intelligence to
successfully prosecute the devil himself..and what I am doing is far
from wrong..no matter how good you are at ignoring the truth.

I will post every message you sent me unedited because you are
misrepresenting what took place and what I said.  Feel free to take me
to court.  If you are as incompetent in real life as you seem here, I
am not terribly concerned.

jp
From: dt89csc@brunel.ac.uk (C S Codrington)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Looking for postgraduate courses.
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:11:26 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Hi, there.

My name is Colin Codrington. I am a final year student at
Brunel University. I am studying for a honours degree in
Industrial Design. 

I am currently in my final year and looking for a postgraduate
course that fits in with industrial design.

I am quite interested in a research course at the moment. Well..
it doesn't have to be directly linked to industrial design as
long as I get to use my intelligence and creativity.

So how about it have you got that all important course, or do you
know of one. If so please don't hesitate to E-mail me on.......... 

E-mail dt89csc@brunel.ac.uk

A curriculum vitae (resume) can be arranged.

Well thanks for reading me.

Colin.
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: stopthe frat discussion!
From: chris@dhvx20.csudh.edu
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:41:33 PST
Organization: CSU, DOMINGUEZ HILLS

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From: jpw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason P. Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: well..
Date: 18 Nov 1992 06:09:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jpw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason P. Wright)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Tedd Frank is a weenie.


There is no two ways about it.

Newsgroups: soc.college,soc.net-people,news.answers
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: College Papers
From: censtad@dion.gac.edu (Topher the Gustie)
Date: 22 Nov 92 14:58:12 -0600
Reply-To: censtad@nic.gac.edu   enstad@gacvx1.gac.edu    

In article <1enbeiINN8jh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>  writes:
> 
> I was wondering if there would be any interest in forming an informal
> group of college newspapers where we can exchange papers and freely
> exchange ideas.  CWRU puts out a weekly 12-24 page tabloid without the
> support of University monies.
> 
> Anyone else have a similar situation?


I don't have the resources to mail multiple copies of our college  
newspaper but for $14 you can subscribe to our Gustavus Weekly.

Just write:
Gustavus Weekly
Gustavus Adolphus College
St. Peter, MN 56082

Or maybe if you offer an exchange then you could do it for free... i don't  
know you'd have to check.

you can call them at (507) 933-8000 ask to be connected to the Weekly



Chris
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: so sue me (Let's stop paying Mr. Frank so much attention)
From: censtad@dion.gac.edu (Topher the Gustie)
Date: 22 Nov 92 14:51:07 -0600
Reply-To: censtad@nic.gac.edu   enstad@gacvx1.gac.edu    

> >And let's stop paying Mr. Frank so much attention.  He seems to love it  
to  
> >much and all we do is feed his ego.  
> >
> >That's all folx.
> >
> >Chris
> 
> Quoting from the movie "Heartbreak Ridge" :  'Don't give the prick the
> satisfaction'  Gunney Highway.
> 
> Michael Bertrand

Thank you for your agreement Mr. Bertrand
From: sue@snafu.seada.com (Sue Raul)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Need San Fran/Bay Area College and Univ Housing Offices
Date: 22 Nov 92 06:06:38 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Software Engineering and Design Associates

[Sorry I couldn't only post in ba area, so ca it had to be]

I need to talk to the off-campus housing offices of
UC Berkeley, Stanford, Mills College, San Fran State, UCSF,
and any other college/university in the area.

(I want to contact them about posting a housing wanted ad)

If anyone has the phone number for these (any of these) offices,
or a USmail address, please forward asap. Much appreciation.

Sue
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: Akash Sehgal <as14@cornell.edu>
Subject: Email addresses for South Africa
X-Xxdate: Mon, 23 Nov 92 20: 14:44 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: as14@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:11:44 GMT

Can anyone help me find the email address for the
University of Durban-Westville
in South Africa?

ANY information would help, even if it's just approximate.
 Send replies to
as14@cornell.edu  - Thanks!

Akash
------- Akash Sehgal ---  as14@Cornell.Edu -----
-  "Allez Servette!"																								-
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: ckincy@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)
Subject: Re: hazing
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:33:56 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Nov16.150858.1@dhvx20.csudh.edu> chris@dhvx20.csudh.edu writes:
>A real fraternity does not humiliate their potential members and make them
>haze. What I mean by a real fraternity is one that stands for leadership, 
>friendship, a sense of belonging and worthwhile human experiences, including
>service to others. 

Oh, you mean like making your pledges stand on the corner of 14th and
Bishop wearing huge placards and chanting "Kappa Alpha Does Not Haze
Its Pledges?"

cpk
No, really, they did.  Honest.
Newsgroups: soc.college,can.general,bc.general
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Is sign language recognized anywhere?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:12:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.183248.22433@Princeton.EDU> mgflax@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Marshall G. Flax) writes:
>
>For documentation of the above editorial, I *highly* recommend:
>
>        AUTHOR:  Lane, Harlan L.
>         TITLE:  The mask of benevolence : disabling the deaf community

Another good (introductory) book is "Seeing voices: a journey into the
world of the deaf" by Oliver Sacks, In paperback, it's ISBN 0-06-097347-1,
HarperPerennial.  Dr. Sacks also wrote "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a
Hat", "Awakenings" (later made into a movie), and "A Leg to Stand On" (my
favorite).

Dr. Sacks mentions another book which sounds very interesting: "Everyone
Here Spoke Sign Language: Hereditary Deafness on Martha's Vineyard".  At
one time about 25 percent of the residents were deaf, and everyone, deaf
and hearing, learned sign.  Even hearing people would sometimes talk among 
themselves in sign.  Because the language majority made an effort to learn
the less common language, and spoke it themselves, the cultural division
between the two groups was minimized. 

-- 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Important/great GRE testing news.
Keywords: GRE
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:13:38 GMT
Organization: GSP Whitewater Slalom Racing Team

In article <Alex.78.722541823@camp.wpic.pitt.edu> Alex@camp.wpic.pitt.edu (Alex Ferguson ) writes:
>        I just heard about this over the weekend & I thought that some of you
>may be interested in it.  The Sylvan Learning center worked out an agreement
>with the GRE testing people and this is what resulted: [computerized GRE]

Before you get too excited about this, you might want to consider some
of the risks (in the comp.risks sense) involved.  There was a long
article in the New York Times some months ago that detailed the planned
switch of the GRE from paper to computer; I wrote up a summary of it, which
is included below with my own comments.

(Most of this information came from an article in the New York Times
of March 21, 1992.)

The folks that design the GRE (Graduate Record Examination; required
by most US colleges for graduate admission) are planning on converting
the test to a new format which will be given via computer.  The algorithm
used by the program which administers the test will be adaptive: if a student
answers a question correctly, the next question will be harder; if they
answer incorrectly, the next question will be easier.  The idea seems to
be that the difficulty level of the questions presented will eventually
converge to a point indicative of the student's ability, but no pedagogical
justification of this methodology was cited.

Claims made for this new test format include: less test-taker anxiety,
ease of test-taking, immediate feedback (score is available as soon
as the test is finished), and flexibility of scheduling.   It's unclear
to me that any of these are true; what if the test-taker is computerphobic,
or just a lousy typist?  What if the computer crashes during the test?
Since information is presented on a screen, how can you underline text
passages or cross out clearly-incorrect answers to math problems?  How
can you go back and review previous problems, or check your work?  Since
giving the exam still requires registration, a room, a supervisor (and now,
a computer), how is scheduling more flexible?

Future plans include a setup where the computers administering the test
will be linked to the testing service's office in Princeton, NJ.
No information on what sort of hardware/software will be involved, or
what sort of data link will be used, was given.

The College Board, who are the people that handle the SAT (Scholastic Aptitude
Test, one of two tests often required for admission to US colleges and
universities), are planning on computerizing their test during the next decade.

Perhaps the most appropriate comment cited was from Robert A. Schaeffer,
who is the public education director of the nonprofit National Center
for Fair and Open Testing: "It's an unproven idea.  Students are going
to have to learn test-taking skills all over again."

---Rsk
From: jpw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason P. Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: so sue me
Date: 19 Nov 1992 08:04:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jpw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason P. Wright)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Lets tread on some new judicial ground.

Ted Frank has misrepresented me at least twice.

(i) I did not send him 25 messages after he told me to stop.  
    I forwarded him 4 messages before I had read his request to
    desist mailing.
(ii)I did not harass him in any way.  He never told me he wasn't
    christian, in fact, he told me to read the Bible.

So I will send *every* *unedited* personal response between me and Mr.
Frank to show his mirepresentations of myself without malicious intent
or attempting to misrepresent Mr. Frank's opinions in any way.  And Mr.
Frank can come and file suit against me to his heart's content.

jp

on a personal note..Ted, if you are as incompetent in real life as you
appear to be in netland, I hardly think you could prosecute the devil
himself.  I have done nothing wrong.
From: jpw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason P. Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: re: so sue me
Date: 21 Nov 1992 00:22:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jpw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason P. Wright)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Sorry I had created such a stir.  I am sending those messages through
email to those who request it only.  I thought I made that clear but I
guess I didnt.  I already have sent a couple out, so I suppose I am now
a fugitive.


Newsgroups: soc.college
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: re: so sue me
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:15:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.145006.2462@gacvx2.gac.edu> censtad@nic.gac.edu   enstad@gacvx1.gac.edu     writes:
>Isn't it sad when you become a fugitive because of e-mail.  Mr. Frank has  
>decided to notify my system administrator because I've asked him to give  
>me the basis for his argument that e-mail is copyrighted.  

No, I notified your system administrator when you continued to send me
harassing e-mail after I answered your question and sent you four e-mail
requests to stop sending me e-mail.

>It seems he  
>doesn't respond to people who don't already agree that e-mail is  
>copyrighted.  Hmmm.... well, that's a good way to gain people on your side  
>Mr. Frank.

I didn't use to have this problem, but Mr. Wright's recent actions have made
it necessary to refuse to send e-mail to some people.  I've talked to the
counsel at his university, and hopefully we'll have some results soon.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
From: res_hall_fac@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Residence Hall Info
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:33:43 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Is there any FTP site concerning residence hall information, or is
there a newsgroup that I can join?

Thanks!

Mark
Residence Hall Facilities
Western Michigan University
Kalamazoo, MI  49008

Home of Elvis
From: tgpt_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tom Guptill)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: End your financial crisis NOW!!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:54:24 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


Sorry...I must have hit "F" instead of "R".  Silly me.

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