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Subject: Re: Cincinnati's seed (was Re: Sagarin Bashing Revisited)
From: zureick@ucunix.san.uc.edu (John H. Zureick)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 13:39:07 GMT
Distribution: usa 
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <odsB=M600UhB45aFJP@andrew.cmu.edu> "Jay S. Chun" <jc6t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I totally agree.  Cincinnati was extremely lucky to be in the Final
>Four.  First of all, they were lucky to get a number four seed. 
>Secondly, they were very lucky to be placed in Kansas' bracket (I didn't
>think Kansas or USC was too tough from the beginning.  UTEP and Memphis
>St just played over their heads for a couple of games (like Cincinnati).
> If Cincinnati was placed in any of the other three brackets there would
>be no way they would have reached the Final Four and probably not even
>the Elite Eight for that matter.  Duke or Kentucky against Cincinnati
>(Ha!).  UCLA or Indiana against Cincy (Ha!).  Ohio St or Michigan
>against Cincy (Ha!).  Cincinnati fans should feel extremely lucky their
>team got a number four seed and got as far as they did in the
>tournament. 

What do you know about the Cincinnati Bearcats?  Or basketball at all?
The Bearcats were rated no lower than twelve in any national pool and
were as high as six in some.  I will go ahead and do the math for you.
That translates into a number three seed at worse!!!  Now for how
far they got in the tournament.  They beat the teams that beat Georgia 
Tech, Kansas, USC and Arkansas.  Oh and they beat Michigan State.  I
believe that means that schools from the ACC, Big Ten, Big Eight and
SEC fell in the same regional that the Bearcats were REGIONAL CHAMPS
from.

Only one team beat the Bearcats badly this year and that team was 
Indiana.  Need I point out to you that Indiana beat a lot of teams
badly this year when Anderson was hitting his outside shot?  

We had two seniors this year who are projected to be drafted by the
NBA including the Midwest Regional MVP Herb Jones.  Why don't you
give these guys who have outhustled, outworked and outdefensed
half of these big name schools you mention some credit?

-- 
John H. Zureick					zureick@ucunix.san.uc.edu
From: yeff@Apple.COM (jeff soesbe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: NCAA Women's Tournament - Regional Semifinal Results
Date: 27 Mar 92 22:16:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: apple.64413
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Here are the NCAA Women's Tournament regional semifinal results I was
able to get from my local paper. The numbers in parentheses next to a
team (in the game results) are the seeding of that team within the
regional. For the regional final matchups, a team's record is given.

Go Cardinal!

jef
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NCAA Women's Tournament - Regional Semifinals


Mideast Regional - West Lafayette, Indiana
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Western Kentucky (#4) 75, Tennessee (#1) 70

Maryland (#2) 64, Purdue (#3) 58

Final : Western Kentucky (25-7) v Maryland (25-5), 4:30 pm PST, ESPN.


Midwest Regional - 
----------------

Southwest Missouri State (#8) 83, UCLA (#5) 57

other game : Mississippi v Penn State

Final : Mississippi/Penn State v. Southwest Missouri State (30-2), 
midnight PST, ESPN (game is actually at 6:30 pm PST)


East Regional - Charlottesville, Virginia
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Vanderbilt (#3) 77, Miami (#2) 67

Virginia (#1) 103, West Virginia (#4?) 83

Final : Virginia (31-1) v Vanderbilt (22-8), 8 am PST, ESPN


West Regional - Seattle, Washington
-------------

Stanford (#1) 75, Texas Tech (#4) 63

USC (#3) 61, Stephen F. Austin (#2) 57

Final : Stanford (26-3) v USC (23-7), 6:30 pm PST, ESPN


Rankings of Teams in the Regional Finals:

#1  Virginia
#3  Stanford
#13 Vanderbilt
#15 Western Kentucky

No rankings given for USC, Mississippi, Penn State, Southwest Missouri
State, or Maryland.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton)
Subject: Re: Billy and Nantz
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:31:12 GMT

Brian E. Saunders writes:
>Dov Bulka writes:
>>I'm geting real tired with all you guys bithcing and whining about
>>everything that moves. No sportscaster and no network is good enough 
>>for you. Picking on defenseless sports announcers is a safe way
>>to post something without getting flamed. Well, not anymore.
>>It's not easy to talk two straight hours with commentary and
>>fill the voids when a guy goes to the foul line. So they use
>>a few cliches and state the obvious sometimes. Big deal.
>>Overall, these announcers are very knowledgable in many sports
>>and help pump excitment into the NCAA basketball.
>>
>>Give it a rest.
>
>You make a good point, although for the money that the Packer's make in a
>year, we expect a little more.  I really don't mind the stupid cliches and
>bad puns, I just don't like it when they give incorrect information.  

Well I hate the puns! I had to live with a guy for one semester who
would crack a pun and grin like I thought he was the most clever person
in the world, now that Einstein has died, when actually I was thinking
if any jury would convict me. I used to think Jim Nantz was okay, but
not anymore...

>I also don't
>think announcers on a national level should have favorite teams, although
>with all the ex-coaches and ex-players announcing now, it gets pretty hard
>to avoid that.  Still, at least Quinn Buckner was not obviously biased when
>IU was playing.  Compare to Packer, Fransesca, and the rest of the
>obviously pro-Duke CBS team on Monday night.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I never thought I'd say
this, but I'd rather hear Valvano.

>You make a VERY good point about the sportscasters being defenseless,
>however.  I suggest getting Dick Vitale, Al McGuire, Billy Packer, and
>various other sports figures (maybe even Sagarin, Fransesca, etc...)
>accounts on the INTERNET.  Have them subscribe to the basketball groups and
>let them do their commentary.  It would give them a new media to spread
>their "knowledge", and it would give them a chance to get feedback in a
>more direct matter.  I would bet that at least Vitale, if given access to
>this newsgroup, would be willing to post once in a while, and
>defend/retract his statements.  It won't happen, but if it did, it would be
>a lot of fun.

It won't work. Vitale probably doesn't know how to use a computer;
I mean the guy has never even heard of U2, I don't expect him to keep
up on technology. McGuire doesn't even own a VCR. Packer would just
use his account to send out Mr. Cash and Pontiac ads. Sagarin would
just get tons of e-mail asking why Georgia and Indiana are ranked so
high, and would never use his account. Francesa would either use his
account to set up a nation-wide electronic numbers racket, or he
would eat his terminal after Winchell's runs out of jelly doughnuts.
It ain't gonna happen.

T-Bone Burton
CASA
Coors U.
"That's rich, y'know, coming from a man whose favorite book is
`How to Pick up Women through Hypnosis.'" -Lister, Red Dwarf
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Its All Over ...
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:11:15 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.basketball.college, saji@snert.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji) writes:
>   Duke wins it all. Pretty pathetic game ... offensively for both 
>   teams.....

Perhaps you didn't notice, but the game was mostly a battle of defense,
which is why both teams didn't score well. Both teams played outstanding 
defense last night which was the main reason for poor shooting on both 
sides; both teams didn't get many open shots that you see in high-scoring
games.

No, I wouldn't call this game a pathetic game - it was a good demonstration 
of how important defense is in winning games.

Defense had been the key to Duke's several victories this year whenever
Duke's offense went cold or Duke had to come from behind.  You saw what 
happened to Indiana when Duke's defense tightened up just before the 
halftime and early in the second half.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Steve Williams
swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil
From: burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SOME Michigan Fans...
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:48:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr9.164815.1717
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Scott D. Davis writes:
>I don't remember hearing about the '89 Championship damage.  What is it
>about the state of Michigan people?  Riot every time there is a 
>championship?  Pistons riot was infamous too.

No, Scott, it's just Detroit. It can (at times) make the South Side seem
like a little slice of heaven. 

T-Bone, in a reminiscing mood
From: copus@pa621a.inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Indiana's Mr. BBall
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:04:35 GMT
Organization: Inland Steel Company, East Chicago, IN
Nntp-Posting-User: narayan


Charles "Killer" Macon of Michigan City Elston was voted Indiana's
Mr. Basketball.  "Killer", an Ohio State recruit, received 175
of the 312 1st place votes cast.  The second place finisher
received 35 1st place votes.



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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: DUKE WINS - FAB FIVE CHOKES !!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:03:50 GMT

In article <92097.231219DRB125@psuvm.psu.edu> <DRB125@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>     Maybe if Michigan's youngs ones would have not come out playing so cocky
>they might have played Duke tough.  This was not the case.  Although the sad
>part is that none of the young ones are going to listen to Fisher in the up
>coming years.  Don't believe me call me in five.

	The Fab Five choked?  I don't think so.  I think, finally, their
	relative inexperience, against the most experienced tournament
	team in years, finally caught up with them.  Duke's second half
	defense was just too tough, and Michigan just wasn't patient
	enough to solve it.  Plus, nobody could hit a lick, either...

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From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ricker)
Subject: Re: LOOKS LIKE THE WOLFPACK IS THE TEAM IN 1993!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 08:16:35 GMT

>> Congrats to the 1991-92 Duke Blue Devil's, the greatest college team in the 
>> history of the ACC (yes, better than 81-82 Tarheels or 73-75 WolfPack!).

>YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!

>THE PACK WAS UNSTOPPABLE!!!

Sure... they were unstoppable this year right?   Is that why they didn't
even make the tourney?   The Wolfpacks are the team of 1993?  Gimme a 
break!  If they didn't even make the tournament this year, how much do
you think they'll improve?  I am afraid not even divine intervention
can help your Packs get to the final four.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL)
Subject: Re: Illini talent vs. Michigan
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:27:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.141427.19421@cbnewse.cb.att.com> jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
>>From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (   )
>>
>>james.r.fehrenbacher wrote:
>>>Because that team was incredibly talented, more so than Michigan and
>>>should have won it all. The only recent team that compares in talent
>>>was the UNLV team with Augmon and Johnson and maybe Duke this year.
>>
>>If you consider Rice, Vaught, Robinson, Mills, Higgin, Huges less talented
>>than Gill, Anderson, Battle, Bardo, Hamilton, and Liberty, you should really

	Not to mention Gary Grant (I think he was stil there),
	one of my favorite point gaurds. Grant was a true Pnt Grd,
	all we had was bardo. He was tall, played great D, and was
	an OK ball handler. Couldn't shoot, or drive. Got a few rebounds
	though. Switch Grant and Bardo, and Illinois would have been
	a much better team (IMHO).
>
>Besides Gill, Anderson, Battle, Bardo, Hamilton, and Liberty, Illinois 
>had Larry Smith and Ervin Small, certainly in my opinion as much talent
	Smith still couldn't shoot/dribble/rebound/catch, and Small
	could only rebound. They had talent, but none of it was developed
	yet.

>Well this debate could go on endlessly. Suffice it to say there was
>a lot of talent on both of those teams. I still believe Nick Anderson
	Nick was as good as he wanted to be (one of Lou's big problems:
	motivation). If Nick only would have boxed out in the Michigan game.
	sigh....

>including Rice, and still are as NBA players.
	Rice was a deadly spot up shooter. Much better than anyone
	on Illinois at that. However, he wasn't much of a slasher (ah la
	Gill).

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From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Michigan Fab 5
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:21:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1992Apr7.172159.13924
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

The fab 5 had a great year. They lived up to their hype.
I am astounded that 5 freshman went so far.
My point, however, is I don't think they were one of the top 10 or so teams
THIS year. Maybe next year--more likely in two--they will be THE team. Not
this year though.  What i was saying was what if they had wonone the championship
and then never even made if back to the final 4 the rest of their careers?
If a team with exactly the same starting players can never repeat an earlier
success--then yes, that puts theirere original victory in question (in my mind
anyway :) )

)
From: MIF101@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Laettner in the NBA
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:28:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92098.212822MIF101
Organization: Penn State University


  I have to agree with your thoughts on Laettner's quickness.  The last
 couple of games of the tournament he seemed worn out..... I feel he needs
 more stamina to withstand the likes of Ewing, Robinson, and Oljawuan (spelling
 not sure on).  He definitely got more credit than he deserved on his team...
 I think Dukes best all around player is Grant Hill.  All the games I have
 seen Duke play Mr. Hill always seemed to make the big plays!!!!  An example
 was last nights championship game....in crunch time he was hitting the boards
 , driving for layups, and hitting the outside shot...and he is not a bad
 defensive player either.

                                                    big mike
From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: It didn't take long...
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:06:52 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

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Subject: Re: It didn't take long...
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In article <12068@tamsun.tamu.edu> gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne "Goober" Smith) writes:
>In article <2299@news.duke.edu> rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) writes:
>--[...]                Duke's certainly not perfect, but our basketball
>--program has made us proud yet again.  [...]
>
>Ahh yes.  Pride.
>
>Is Saddam Hussain proud of his country?
>Is Kaddafy proud of his country?
>Was that guy with the funny little mustache proud of his country?
>Was Stalin proud of his country?
>Were the Japanese proud of their country during WWII?
>Is David Duke proud of his heritage?
>
>- gary (pride in the name of love) smith
>
>
>
>-- 
>Racism Sucks!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I tell ya, you gotta love this guy.  For someone who goes spouting off
rhetoric about racism, doesn't he seem awfully eager to bash an
institution he knows little (if anything) about.  And once he realizes
he can't find a valid argument, he resorts to unfounded and biased
comparisons.   

Racism in a different guise?  Or just hypocrisy?

- Rob
From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Laettner on Arsenio Hall
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:38:47 GMT
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

ANyone see the interview? Laettner shat :) next to Arsenio and poor 
Davis sat in the stands with the rest of the audience. What an ass Laettner
is! You think he could have insisted his "friend" get some air time too.

After watching this is was doubly apparent to me that Laettner's biggest
fan is Laettner.

I thought Arsenio did'nt really like the guy--just my impression. When Laettner
said something about talking trash etc and how he will probably learn a 
thing or two in the NBA Arsenio said "You got that right!!!!". Then Arsenio
looked a little sheepish.  I interpreted that as you'll get your head handed
to you in the NBA.
Roy
From: hancock@fermat.uucp (Tom Hancock)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Next Year!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:02:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Apr9.210210.5457
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Apr9.153936.7308@ucunix.san.uc.edu> iselivl@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Victor L. Iseli) writes:
>> [Someone's pre-preseason top 10, which included Seton Hall (and inexplicably
>>  Oklahoma State, though otherwise it seemed plausible)]
>
>   BTW how are other teams from the Big East such as Syracuse and 
>   Georgetown looking?

Not great. Seton Hall is the only team that I would project into the nation's
elite. They lose only Gordon Winchester, and if Luther Wright can improve his 
game they should be tough.

The conference's other four tournament teams lose their star player.  For
Syracuse, Georgetown, St. John's, or UConn to contend next year they need to
find a replacements for Johnson, Mourning, Sealy, and Smith respectively.
St. John's also needs help at the guards (which Cain may provide), and
Syracuse needs both some semblance of an inside game and better play at the 
point from Autry (or someone else). UConn probably has the best returning 
talent of this bunch, but who's going to run the offense? My faith in Kevin 
Ollie et.al. is limited. 

Villanova's situation is unclear, though they have the players to be at least
decent. Providence College and Boston College have young teams that should
improve, and in particular I think BC may be a sleeper. I expect Pitt to
SDDD, and possibly even finish below Miami depending how their respective
recruiting goes. 

>> [Speculation that the ACC may have seven tournament teams next year]
>^^^^^^^^^^^ WOW!  The chances of that seem remote.  Even if these teams are
>that good, seven teams from one conference???  How often does that happen?

The Big East had seven teams last year (Syracuse, Seton Hall, St. John's
Pitt, Georgetown, Villanova, and Connecticut). I believe that the Big 10 had
seven the year before, and that these are the only two times this has happened
to date. 


Tom Hancock
Aiken Computation Laboratory 
Harvard University
hancock@das.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: mgm@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (michael.g.miller)
Subject: Re: IU Gets Rematch with Congress Help?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:21:33 GMT
Summary: The three legislators were from the state legislature, not from
	 the society of check bounchers.


The three legistators were from the state legislators, not from the 
society of check bouncers.  They wrote to the NCAA chairman about
the officating. They seemed to ignore the (for this year) typical
IU dead stretch of game. The officating hurt, but if IU had been
able to score on even 40 percent of their first 15 possessions in
the second half Duke would have been doomed.

Mike Miller
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser)
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:23:18 GMT

tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon) writes:

>From article <1992Apr10.191412.15218@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, by abreen@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alex Breen):
>> piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes:
>> 
>>>	5) Overall.
>>>		A good year, back to 20+ wins for Lou.
>> 
>>      A good year is not a 20 win season.  It is two victories over Iowa!
>> 
>	Looks like it is gonna be another bad year for the Illini!!
>-- 
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>|| Timothy J. Shannon       tshannon@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu\\92 Wrestling||
>|| 248 ERF University of IA tshannon@cadfx.ccad.uiowa.edu ||NCAA CHAMPS||

Very doubtful
that Lou will have another year like this last one, but we'll 
just have to wait and see.  

Lou is already taking all the good players from Dr. Tom.  Except of course
those from Joliet, site of the state penitentary.  How appropriate that 
they be under coach Pearl's instruction.

As you probably know, Illinois has just hired the best young wrestling 
coach in the nation.  He assisted Dan Gable for years.  He says he'll
recruit Illinois h.s. wrestlers (of which there are a lot of good ones.)
This is going to take away recruits from Iowa, what a shame!!!!!!i

john althauser
jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (   )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:06:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s2im2INN5bd
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu


 Is Pat Knight the son of Bobby?
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From: jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser)
Subject: Re: The Final
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:41:27 GMT

George.Harris@bbs.oit.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:

>	Well, quite a pair of games this weekend.  Looks like Michigan will
>have a chance at revenge tonight.

>	I don't see how in hell Duke can be favored tonight.  It was clear
>that playing such a short rotation all season has begun to wear on the Duke
>players, as they were sucking wind in the last 5 minutes.  Meanwhile, Michigan
>finished strong against Cincy, and has enough depth to wear the Devils down.
>If you look back to the last time these clubs met, you'll see that Michigan
>has improved tremendously, while Duke has just settled down a bit.  So, even
>if Duke were at full strength, I'd give the nod to Michigan.  But, with Davis
>out with a high-ankle sprain (that's three this year), and Grant Hill playing
>on a sore knee, Duke is going to have to give major minutes to Parks and 
>Clark, and those two don't have the experience in big games to really contri-
>bute.  It looks like the fab five are gonna pull it off.
 
I can see Duke being favored based on experience, but by 6 points?  No way.  
Michigan seems to play up or down to their opponents level, I don't see how
Duke can leave them in the dust.  Also Duke's emotional gas tank may only
be half full for this game, they've had two tightly contested wins.  If they
win it, they'll have to play better than they did against IU.

john

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