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From: ejbehr@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr)
Subject: Redundant bridging and AppleTalk
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 23:16:08 GMT
Reply-To: behr@math.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr)
Organization: Central Illinois Surfing Club

I have just heard a claim that AppleTalk and parallel bridging (reportedly
used on our token ring) don't mix well. Could someone confirm/explain/deny
this? The hand-waving argument given to me wasn't very convincing. Thanks a
lot!    E.

-- 
Eric Behr, Illinois State University, Mathematics Department
behr@math.ilstu.edu   or   behr@ilstu.bitnet  (please avoid!)
From: dplatt@ntg.com (Dave Platt)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Some interesting AUFS problems
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:53:35 GMT
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA


>   2) We automount the home directories for users. However, when I
>      attempt to AUFS mount the automount point, chooser quits with an
>      error #4. Note that the automount directory appears to be a read
>      only directory. How do I get this point to mount properly.
>
>Our evidence seems to indicate that AUFS doesn't deal with NFS-mounted
>filesystems.  Our workarounds have been to start AUFS on every system
>that a Mac user has files on, or to move all the Mac users' home
>directories to one system, which then runs AUFS.  We'd also be interested
>in any fixes for AUFS for NFS.

My experience was that CAP (pl100) did not work well with NFS-mounted
filesystems when running under SunOS 4.1.1.  This was apparently due to
some locking-daemon problems in SunOS - both the CAP machine and the
NFS-service machine would spit out error messages on their console, and
AUFS would not function reliably.  

We used a similar solution to J Lee's; I simply installed EtherTalk and
the AUFS portions of CAP on every workstation which had home directories
which we wanted to publish.

There's another advantage to doing this - performance.  Running AUFS on
an NFS-mounted filesystem generates at least twice as much network
traffic as running it on a local filesystem, and usually much more than
that (due to the stateless, no-client-side-cacheing, server-must-flush-
all-writes-to-disk-immediately nature of the NFS protocol).  AUFS-over-
NFS is perceptibly slower (to the Mac user) than AUFS-on-a-local-disk,
and it puts a much greater strain on the home filesystem.

In SunOS 4.1.2, the locking problems seem to have been fixed.  I'm
currently "publishing" several users' home directories to the Mac world
via an AUFS server on one machine, which is NFS-automounting the home
filesystems on another workstation which is not [yet] running AUFS.


-- 
Dave Platt                                                VOICE: (415) 813-8917
              Domain: dplatt@ntg.com      UUCP: ...netcomsv!ntg!dplatt
 USNAIL: New Technologies Group Inc. 2468 Embarcardero Way, Palo Alto CA 94303
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: AARP details clarification needed.
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:00:48 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"How many AARP Probe packets must be broadcast by the protocol
	stack attempting to verify that its tentative protocol address
	is not in use by any other node on the data link?  [the book
	just says "a number" of probe pkts]"

Send 10 packets at 0.2 second intervals.  See the last paragraph on
page 3-9.

	"From book: "If [an AARP] Response packet is not received
	"within a specified time interval," then AARP retransmits the
	Request packet.  The question is, WHAT is the value of the
	time-out interval mentioned above?  How long must AARP wait
	before retransmitting the Request packet?"

Our products use the same parameters for AARP Request as for AARP
Probe: we send 10 packets at 0.2 second intervals.  This seems to work
pretty well.

	"What is the timeout value that is allowed to expire before an
	AMT entry is aged?"

We use 50 seconds, the maximum age for entries in the router cache.
I'd be interested in what other implementations do.

	"Does a Macintosh end-node send the equivalent of a DECnet
	end-node's HELLO packet to refresh its router's AMT?"

Not in general.  PAP sessions exchange Tickle packets, which can have
the side effect of keeping an AMT entry alive ... but they come at 60
second intervals, which may be too long.

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: add@is.rice.edu (Arthur Darren Dunham)
Subject: localprinting from brown's tn3720
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:06:09 GMT

Does anyone know of a way to get brown's tn3270 (or something else in
the same price range) to do local printing similar to the vt102 escape
sequence printing.  Screen dumps will not cut it.  I would even be
interested in any commercial solutions if no free ones exist.

-- 
Darren Dunham                 		          add@is.rice.edu
MicroConsultant                       		  Rice University
(What is that? A small consultant?)	              Houston, TX
Any resemblance between real opinions and my post is coincidental
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: Mark Andrew Hacker <hacker@uts.edu.au>
Subject: CAP on a Quadra & A/UX
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:54:24 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
X-Xxdate: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:54:15 GMT

I need to run CAP. I was thinking that running it on a Quadra with A/UX
may be easier than administering a Sun or other Unix box. So....

a) Is this right? Will running A/ux be easier?

b) Will CAP work?

Hope someone has had to make the same choice and could let me know prior
to my making a decision.

.
Mark A. Hacker
Design Computing Unit
School of Design
University of Technology,Sydney.
Australia
Phone (02) 330 2917 Fax (612) 330 2933
Alink: AUST0475     Internet: hacker@uts.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: peter@cujo.curtin.edu.au (Peter N Lewis)
Subject: Re: Static IP clients (Summary&Thanks)
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: NCRPDA, Curtin University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:33:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.183620.4326@animal.inescn.pt>,
lquinta@animal.inescn.pt (Luis Quinta) wrote:
> 
> There is a very conclusive and final reply by a very well know mac net
> man:

This is an understatement, when is Tom going to be promoted to Godhood?

> >Solutions:
> >
> >	1. Wait for another few years until the IETF group finally
> >	   produces a MacIP "standard" that has an agreed mechanism to
> >	   "fix" this non-problem (I'm one of the tardy authors :-),
> >	   and then wait more years for it to be implemented in
> >	   products,
> >
> >	2. Change to using all Dynamic addresses,
> >
> >	3. Change the zone names of the networks requiring Static
> >	   addresses to be the same as the one FP's LocalTalk is in.

Technically, there is a fourth solution, since I am writing this now, from
a static IPed mac, in a zone outside that containing our Webster MultiPort
Gateway.  This is possible because I wrote an INIT that runs immediately
after MacTCP that sends some interesting NBP Lookups to explain the
situation to the MPG.  I have no idea whether it would work with AIR's, but
it can't hurt to try.

If anyone is interested in this init or its pascal source code, let me
know.
   Peter.

_______________________________________________________________________
Peter N Lewis, NCRPDA, Curtin University       peter@cujo.curtin.edu.au
GPO Box U1987, Perth WA 6001, AUSTRALIA             FAX: +61 9 367 8141
From: don@lclark.edu (Don Weston)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: RE: Zone List Changing
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:18:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Sep1.191850.16708
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR



	Thank you for the clarification, Tom.  

	I must have missed shutting down a router, and in anycase I forgot 
about the 10 minute advisory.  Everything gets shutdown this next time.

	Do Macintoshes with the chooser open broadcast their active zone
list or do they just query the seed server for the zone list?  I have been
assuming that a Mac cannot "contaminate" a non-seed router with a bad
routing table.

	Webster gateways have done a better job for us than
various other boxes we have had.  Thanks again.

				-Don
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: djh@cs.mu.OZ.AU (David Hornsby)
Subject: Re: Copy Protecting Apps
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:56:18 GMT

gimper@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stuart Miyasato) writes:
>So first, we need to know how to keep students from copying the applications
>from the CAP server to their hard disks (and thus possibly violating our
>license agreements).  And second, we need a way to enforce the licensing
>agreements assuming the application is run directly off the server.
>Any ideas?

Why don't you use the Application Manager added in CAP patch number 61. There
is also a feature flag to set in m4.features at Configure time. See the README
file in cap60/contrib/AppManager for details. Following is an extract ...

The Application Manager uses a new argument to aufs:

	aufs -A <listname>

The file <listname> contains information of the format

/mac/servers/studeApplications/Word 4.0/Word:20P

which limits Word to 20 simultaneous uses. The file cannot be Finder copied

 - David.
From: gendp@zoom.zoo.latrobe.edu.au (David Pizzey - Genetics)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Telnet with Flashcard for Micro Channel Bus
Keywords: Telnet, Flashcard, appletalk
Date: 4 Sep 92 07:44:05 GMT
Organization: Genetics & HV, La Trobe University, Australia.


Hi people!

I've been unable to get an MC Flashcard working with NCSA Telnet (2.3.03 &
2.3.05).

In the config.tel I've got

	hardware=atalk
	interrupt=60

and have loaded the fcalap with soft int set at 60 but all fails
when Telnet is run (a whole lot of different LTxopen error messages).

I've had no problems getting the ISA version running on over 15
machines so I don't think I've made some silly error (or have I?)

Any help would be greatly appreciated,

Thanks - David.

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Genetics & Human Variation
La Trobe Uni, Victoria Australia 3083		ph + 61 3 479-2239
gendp@zoo.latrobe.edu.au			fax + 61 3 479-1551
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Mac printing over Novell network HELP!!??
From: hippo@sonoma.edu (Michel Davidoff)
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:37:26 PDT
Organization: Sonoma state university

In article <1992Sep2.172702.3549@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un041111@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>Subject: Mac printing over Novell network HELP!!??
>From: un041111@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
>Date: 2 Sep 92 21:29:32 GMT
>We have struggled with our Mac equipment and our Novell network
>for weeks trying to get everything to work together properly.
>We are running Novell Netware 3.11 and Mac Netware 3.01 on a
>Zenith 386/33 file server, with 10BaseT wiring.  We are mostly an IBM
>compatible-based installation, but we have a few clients who
>need Macintosh services on the network.  We have a combination
>of Shiva and Asante network cards for our Mac II, IIsi's, and
>SE/30s.  We are using the latest software version for these
>cards, and the Asante software drives both cards equally well.
>We have queues set up on the Novell server using ATPS print
>server drivers.
>
>The problems we have are:
>
>o	How do we get Macintosh printers to be recognized on the
>network?  We have a LaserWriter IIg that may connect directly to
>Ethernet, and two LaserWriters connected to Macs.  Is there some
>hardware/software that lets the Network know that a printer is
>here, associated with a print queue, and available to other Macs
>via the Chooser?  It is not easily possible to run LocalTalk connections
>from the File Server to all of the Macintosh equipment, and seems silly
>since the Ethernet is already in place.
>o	All of our Macs are running System 7.0 or higher.  We
>have had a problem with "time-outs" when connecting a Mac to our
>file server.  After a login is established on the network, the
>Macintosh will become very sluggish, allowing the user about 5
>seconds to use the arrow cursor to work, and then timing out
>with the watch cursor for about 35 seconds, and repeating the
>cycle until you log out of the network.  It does not happen with
>a bare-bones System 7 install, followed by a reboot with
>extensions off, followed by installing the card drivers.  Any
>hints as to what causes this?
>o	Any info about setting up multiple queues for multiple zones?
>
>Any help would be worth dinner, wherever and whenever,
>vegetarian or no (if geographically possible).
>
>Dave Singleton, Jeff Fluharty, Kathy Myers
>Three People Ready To Drop-Kick a Mac, or Novell Server, or Both.
>Reply here or to:  UN041111@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU, or single@exodus.wvnet.edu
>#include <standard-disclaimer.h>
Are you running printserver? if so
1. Use printdef to create forms
2. Then at the console type Attach "Zone-Name:Printer-Name" To Que-Name
3. Type Create Que-Name as type "Printer-Type"
4. Publish Que-name
The Printer will appaer on theMac Chooser and the PC's can print to it.

Michel Davidoff
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: haase@meediv.lanl.gov (Peter Haase)
Subject: Re: ARA vs. Shiva NetModem
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.dcom.modems
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:43:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.181716.23706@phri.nyu.edu>, roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu
(Roy Smith) wrote:
> 
> 	Given the same raw bit rate (say, 14,400 bps), is there any reason
> to believe that either ARA or using a Shiva NetModem in remote dial-in
> (bridging) mode will give better performance than the other?

Interesting point.....I have both types of Dial-in on our net. I dial-in
@ 9600bps and with the NetModem E's I get about 900 bytes per second
transfer rate. Using LanRovers at the same speed it's about 700 bytes
per second for the same file, the transfer rate difference could be due
to the fact that the Netmodem's on Ethernet and the LanRover is on
LocalTalk....

<==================================+==================================>
  Peter Haase                      +    Internet: haase@meediv,lanl.gov
  Net Manager/MEE-Division         +    Phone: 505-667-2684
  Los Alamos National Laboratory   +    FAX:   505-665-3911

"The opinions expressed in this message are my own and do not necessarily
 reflect those of Los Alamos National Laboratory"
From: sbk@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Appletalk on IBM PS/2, etc.
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:02:48 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

Farallon's PhoneTalk 3.0 (still in beta, unfortunately, but really stable)
supports ODI.  We install ODI plus Luciani's ODIPKT (the ODI to packet driver
shim) on all our boxes, then install PhoneTalk/ODI, Novell/ODI, and/or TCP-IP/PDS
as needed.  This arrangement allows any packet-driven and/or any ODI-driven	
protocol stack(s) to coexist on the same card.

Of course, that doesn't answer your question.  Don't know of any other
AppleTalk clients for DOS.	

--sk


In article <92Aug29.142506.25560@alby6055.uucp>,
miket@alby6055.uucp (Mike Tehan) writes: 
> A client without access to Usenet News is trying to implement both TCP/IP and 
> Appletalk on PS/2s and PCs.  Farallon's client S/W doesn't talk to any packet
> driver scheme (according to them) so we are on the hunt for another Appletalk
> client.  The  plan is to use PC/TCP from FTP for the TCP/IP kernel and SMC
> 16 bit and MCA NICs.  If you have any suggestions please E-Mail to:
> 
>           via UUCP:  ...uunet!alby6055!miket
> 
>     hokey Internet:  alby6055!miket@uunet.UU.NET
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Mike Tehan
> Consultant/Network Systems Engineer
> Unisys - Albany, NY
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: yoda@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Terry Lee)
Subject: Shielded Twisted-pair for Localtalk
Organization: Residential Computing, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:19:21 GMT

Are there any advantages to using twisted-pair cables that are foil
shielded?  Does it increase the maximum length of a network?  Might
it make things more reliable?

Thanks in advance.

Terry Lee

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: bruno@nariwork15.ethz.ch (Bruno Rechberger)
Subject: CAP and Mathematica printing
Keywords: CAP
Reply-To: bruno@nariwork15.ethz.ch
Organization: ETH Zurich
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:50:30 GMT

We have installed CAP6.0 pl100 on our Sun4. Everything is fine except the printing of Mathematica 2.0 graphics using the CAP spooler (lwsrv). The Laserwriter is blinking for some seconds but there is no output! There are no problems with graphics from other programs (Framemaker, Word, Excel, Claris...).
Any ideas?

Bruno
From: sbk@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: RS6000 / how to connect from a Mac ???
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:05:00 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

Baloney.  RS/6000 runs AIX, just another flavor of UNIX.  VT100 emulation is
fine; I use it all the time.

--sk

In article <1992Aug31.090354.41353@urz.unibas.ch>,
infocenter@urz.unibas.ch writes: 
> how to connect to a RS6000. I was told it needs a special emulation,
> which is not compatible to any of the mostly used vt100..vt340, 3270.
> 
> What exactly do I need ?
> How is the emulation called ?
> What is special to know abput ?
> Which product offers a reliable communication ?
> 
> Thanks for your help
> 
> 
> bye ....................................................................  Didi
> 
> ******************************************************************************
> *  Universitas Basiliensis                                       InfoCenter  *
> ******************************************************************************
> 
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: can@mitre.org (Christopher A. Nissen)
Subject: Confirm Failed in CAP
Organization: The MITRE Corp
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:58:21 GMT

I am using cap under SunOS 4.1.2 to print on a Textronix Phaser III
color laserwriter that is connected to AppleTalk via a fastpath gateway. 
The printer works fine when printing from Macs and all 'atlooklws' and
'lwpr' commands go smoothly for the other printers in the same zone. 
However, I get the following error from 'atlooklws' when checking on the
Textronix Printer:

"Confirm Failed, code = -1025..." instead of the usual
"Adress confirmed for socket XXX".

Therefore, I can never print to the printer since I get deluged with "not
responding" and "no status" errors.

Again, the printer is Postscript Level II compatible and IS talking with
CAP since it reports its assigned printer name OK.  

The printer is in another zone than the Workstation, but like I said, I
don't have trouble printing to the other printers in that zone.

Any suggestions??

Thanks

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: AUFS FPEnumerate bug? (or Finder 7 bug?)
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:37:09 GMT

In article <BtK4pE.1B9@mtholyoke.edu> I wrote:
>I seem to have stumbled upon an elusive bug in AUFS.  Basically what
>happens is that a directory "disappears" from the client end after the
>first session.

Hmmm... the story gets more curious.  I just realized that in addition
the the missing folder's reappearing for one session after the file
count in its parent directory is changed, the missing folder also
reappears on restart of the Macintosh client!  (again, only for one
session, then it's gone again.)  So it seems that the "memory" effect
is not related to AUFS (which I thought was odd anyway, since AUFS
doesn't have any memory from session to session, and the effect occured
even when no files were modified) but the Finder (v7.0.1).  The question
is, is it a bug in the Finder, or some interaction problem, or a bug
in AUFS?  It seems to me that except for the issues metioned in the
"design.notes" document with AUFS, AUFS implements AFP 2.0 quite well.
So maybe the System 7 Finder doesn't handle pre-3.0 AFP correctly?
--
Jurgen Botz                  |   Internet: JBotz@mtholyoke.edu
Academic Systems Consultant  |     Bitnet: JBotz@mhc.bitnet
Mount Holyoke College        |      Voice: (US) 413-538-2375 (daytime)
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From: dskeeler@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Dennis S. Keeler)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Hooking a PC into an AppleTalk Network
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:46:41 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Miami University

In article <1992Sep3.192313.7728@sura.net>, wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:
> 
> Can you run PhoneNet Talk on a PC with an Ethernet card rather than a
> Localtalk card?  We've currently got a PC which shares the same Ethernet
> network as our Macs and we'd like it to be able to print to an AppleTalk
> printer, so we'd want the PC to be running Ethertalk, I think.

	You can do this, but you must use 3COM's EtherLink II board. Maybe
there are some similar boards which Phonenet Talk works with, but 3COM is the
only one officially supported.
________________________________________________________________________________
Dennis S. Keeler                |  "Common sense is that thin veneer of
Miami University                |    prejudice we acquire before the
DSKEELER@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu  |    age of 17." - Albert Einstein
DSKEELER@miavx1.bitnet          |
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: gerardo@taj.cs.unlv.edu (Gerry Martinez)
Subject: MAC Integration 
Reply-To: gerardo@taj.cs.unlv.edu (Gerry Martinez)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 19:47:08 GMT

How do I hook up a MAC SE on a Novell Ethernet network?  The network is mainly IBM's and at work they told me it could not be done.  We are using Wordperfect Office---Does's WordPerfect make this for the MAC as well?  I would greatly appreciate any help anyone could give me.  Thanks...

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: Some interesting AUFS problems
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:36:00 GMT

In article <ROUILJ.92Aug24151134@dl5000.bc.edu> rouilj@dl5000.bc.edu (John P. Rouillard) writes:
>   2) We automount the home directories for users. However, when I
>      attempt to AUFS mount the automount point, chooser quits with an
>      error #4. Note that the automount directory appears to be a read
>      only directory. How do I get this point to mount properly.

Well, if it's read only, don't use it!  AUFS can serve a volume that
is read only for _it's_ clients, but it itself wamts to write in the
root directory of that volume.  (I'm not sure if it _has_ to if you're
serving a "unix only" volume, but if you're serving a Mac volume you
definitely need to be able to write in it.)  Try mounting a subdirectory
of the automounted directory instead.

In article <JAAPJL.92Aug26170100@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap) writes:
>Our evidence seems to indicate that AUFS doesn't deal with NFS-mounted
>filesystems.  Our workarounds have been to start AUFS on every system
>that a Mac user has files on, or to move all the Mac users' home
>directories to one system, which then runs AUFS.  We'd also be interested
>in any fixes for AUFS for NFS.

Well, why doesn't it work?  Where does it fail?  It has worked for me,
although I didn't test it extensively.

--
Jurgen Botz                  |   Internet: JBotz@mtholyoke.edu
Academic Systems Consultant  |     Bitnet: JBotz@mhc.bitnet
Mount Holyoke College        |      Voice: (US) 413-538-2375 (daytime)
South Hadley, MA, USA        | Snail Mail: J. Botz, 01075-0629
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk