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From: brown@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Dan Brown)
Subject: Cleveland Brewpubs and Re: Geary's Pale Ale. 
Organization: Subversive Student Publications un-inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:10:50 GMT

In an earlier posting srussell@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Stephen Russell,147 Bard,54648,) writes:
>
>No foolin', you can get Geary's in Ohio now?!?  That gives me extra incentive
>to visit my folks...:-)

Only if you have it specially imported by your roomate who lives in the 
Baltimore Maryland area. 

>
>What are the beers native to the Cleveland area like these days, Dan?  Got
>any brewpubs out your way?   And this Great Lakes Brewing Company, are its
>products easy to find in area stores, so I could pick some up the next
>time I drive through town (on my way from Ithaca to Toledo)??

GLBC is the best brewpub in Cleveland. The quality of their beer is
unsurpassed. The last time I was there for food, it was ok... though perhaps
not quite as good as the previous time I was there. I believe they had been
having some "technical difficulties" with their grill at the time, and 
the economy hasn't been great, so... 

As for being able to get their beer in stores, they only bottle one type
of their beer, the "Dortmunder." It is available a few places, other than 
the brewery, but tends to be prohibitively expensive. 

It is worth the trip to the brewery to get the real thing. 

As for the other place in town, its called Melbornes, and is out in
Strongsville. They didn't have nearly the quality that GLBC does. The last
time I was there, I asked what they had on draft, and the waitress started
in with "Bud, bud lite, miller, etc." I kinda pointed to the large copper
kettles in the brew room, and said "what about those??" The food ended up
being mediocre, and the beer was nothing special. It was considerably
less expensive than GLBC though.




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From: brown@brauhaus.wariat.org (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Geary's Pale Ale.
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 04:56:42 GMT
Organization: Morgue Brewing Company, Cleveland Oh.


Well.. 
I haven't posted for a while, but... 

Am drinking a "Geary's Pale Ale" brewed by D.L. Geary Brewing Comapany of
Portland Maine. Pretty good stuff! Lots and Lots of head, strong hop bite. 
Pretty good. 

Lable has a lobster on it. 


Dan Brown
Morgue Brewing Company, Cleveland Oh.
brown@brauhaus.wariat.org

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From: trice@bnr.ca (Tony Rice P885)
Newsgroups: alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re:Canadian Flamewar  (was: Canadian pisswater)
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:48:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Systems Development Environment Support, BNR, Inc.

In article <1992Aug20.144045.17531@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, redfreak@softcopy.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas Lobonc) writes:
|> Bud Dry has flavor??????????? How can this shit be compared with Sam Adams
|> Killians, and micros????????? Better than Bud?  So what!
|> AAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!

You missed my point.  The introduction of Bud Dry should be applauded as an
attempt by a major brewery to brew something other than the standard skunky
week stuff.  Granted it is week itself but at least it is _different_


|> I would rather drink any Canadian than a major (Spud,Tiller,Old Stool,
|> Old Mildoggie,Shorts, etc.)


Again this is a matter of taste.  I prefer Bud Dry to Labatts, its less skunky.
Maybe the export brew is different that the local stuff?  I haven't seen a
def. answer to this question.






|> 
|> CORONA SUCKS! That's why they give you a lime (The only one I ever drank
|> I put 5 or 6 lime slices in) to kill the horrid taste. I'd rather drink
|> one of those Salvators that everyone thinks I am nuts for not liking.
|> 
|> For those of you who love to collect brewing related items:
|> There was a set of beer cans made up 7-10 years ago that had breweries
|> from the 1800's on them. There were 6 each from IN, Chicago, and PA.
|> Each can had a brief description of the brewery. These are beautiful
|> cans. Don't know where you could find any, but if you have any can
|> collecting friends, you could ask them. Has anyone else seen these?
|> 
|> Tom

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: MIX - Drink with beer
From: psantucci@desire.wright.edu
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:40:10 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

From Japan, where they chose of all things to imitate U.S. Beer:

	Half and Half Lager and Cola (usually Pepsi). Called a "Broadway".

I'm partial to shandy (made with stout or bitter) myself, although it's hard to
get what the British call Lemonade around here. The Canadian lemon-and-ginger
ale variant is close, but I prefer :

	Half and Half Slice and stout, with one shot bar lemon (sour mix).

Fortunately there's a British import shop not far from me. Maybe they'll get
more lemonade in soon.

Meum PLanetum Non Est,
PATMAN
Newsgroups: alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
From: mrbill@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Bowen)
Subject: Re: Canadian Flamewar  (was: Canadian pisswater)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:45:20 GMT

>
>>Didn't the real Killian's go under years ago?
>As far as I know, George Killian's Irish Red Ale is and has always been a Coors
>product. This is a great beer for weaning friends off of commercial swill.

Actually, Killian's was brewed in Enniscorthy, County Wexford, Ireland. Coors
bought the name. I don't know if the real Killian's is still brewed.

Cheers,

Bill


















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From: carruth@mksol.dseg.ti.com (matthew carruth)
Subject: Use of ethanol to sterilize?
Organization: internet
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:26:11 GMT

I have tried bleach and some sulfur compound in the past to use as a final
rinse in my brewing equipment.  Would it be safe to use ethanol, like
Everclear, instead.  I'm believe it would create no aftertaste problems.
Keywords: 


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From: dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: Bradoor
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:27:19 GMT

ICCEK@ASUACAD.BITNET (Chris Kavanagh) writes:

> Does anyone know of a beer from Canada called Bradoor.  I think it is
> 
> Brador, brewed first in Quebec, was introduced into Ontario some years ago
> as the premier "malt liquor", at, I believe 7.5% alcohol. I haven't noticed
> it in the beer stores lately - perhaps it's been displaced by one of those
> American weeweewater clones, Coor's Lite (sic), or Miller, or some other
> wretched excuse for beer that seems to be flooding the Canadian market
> nowadays.
> 
>the best beer I've ever tasted, but don't know how to get a hold of any.

king@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Stephen King) writes:
 
> (1) Go to the lovely country of Quebec.
> (2) Enter any grocery store and say, "Est-ce que vous avey de Brador?"
> (3) Dont act too confused when the change for your greenbacks is in funny
> coloured paper notes.
> (4) Drink and be happy.
>

Better yey,

(1) Go to the lovely city of Buffalo, Canadian beer capital of the world, even  
though it's in the States.
(2) Stop into any supermarket (Bells, Tops, Super Duper, Wegmans) and head over  
to the real cold section of the store.  Pick up a six pack of Molson with the  
*brown* labels (Not red, gold or blue).
(3) Don't act too confused when the price they charge you is under five bucks.
(4) Drink, but remember, in the US, it's a "Malt Liquor".

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From: chris@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Casey)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Warsteiner
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:31:10 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug20.000923.20685@news.ysu.edu> ag099@yfn.ysu.edu (Jonathan Foster) writes:
>
>    If WARSTEINER beer ever makes it to the states, try it, you
>will become hooked.
>-- 
>Jonathan Foster
>(ag099)

It is in the states.  Great stuff, I might add.  They even have it in what I 
guess are baby kegs.  They're about 169 ounces (1.3 gal?), but they're like $16
or so.  Unfortunately, compared to the 6paks, they really aren't cost effective.
Has anyone tried these things from Warsteiner?  Are they worth it?


Chris
From: tim@mimas.cc.deakin.OZ.AU (Tim Cook)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: New Zealand & Australia destinations
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:02:50 GMT
Organization: C&CS, Deakin University

In article <holdensj.48@BusLab.cba.ufl.edu>,
holdensj@BusLab.cba.ufl.edu (STEPHEN J HOLDEN) writes:
> In article <1992Aug11.103345.6910@ac.dal.ca> ech@ac.dal.ca writes:
> 
> 
> >mind.  I didn't find a brewpub in Melbourne, Alice has one large bar in the
> 
> >       -Ed
> 
> Ah well, Melbourne has a couple of little beauties.  Two that immediately 
> spring to mind are The Loaded Dog, which is just north of the city I 
> believe, in an area known as Carlton (the Melburnians will, no doubt correct 
> me),

In my opinion, The Loaded Dog has gone considerably downhill in the
last few years.  No doubt that it used to be a great Pub-Brewery, if
only for the reason that it used to sell beers made by The Traditional
Brewing Company (including my favourite, Cobungra Bitter) but it seems
to have degenerated into a very average we-have-one-or-two-exotic-
brews-on-tap pub.  The brewing equipment that used to be visible has
also disappeared.  I would guess that Stephen has not been to The
Loaded Dog recently.

> and the other is variously known as Villiers and the RedBack Pub.  It 
> is at 75 Flemington Rd which runs north out of the centre of Melbourne.  It 
> is very close to the centre of the city -- and is just across from the 
> Melbourne Hospital and the University of Melbourne.

Never been to this one, but it has a good reputation.

My personal favorite over the years has been The Geebung Polo Club
(not really any sort of club but the name does stick in the mind,
doesn't it?), which can be found at Auburn Rd, Auburn (Melbourne).

Take a train to Auburn station and you'll find it about 50 metres
north of the station via Auburn Rd.  I like it because it continues to
sell Traditional Brewing Company brews, and it has a range of
international ales on tap as well.

A warning to beer drinkers who are not party-animals as well - The
Geebung also has entertainment some evenings, so if you just want to
sit down and savour an ale, avoid it during party hours.
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From: hsu@pix.com (Dagwood Splits the Atom)
Newsgroups: alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re: Canadian Flamewar  (was: Canadian pisswater)
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:29:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pix -- The company with no adult supervision.

In article <1992Aug20.154828.11323@brtph560.bnr.ca> trice@bnr.ca (Tony Rice P885) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.144045.17531@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, redfreak@softcopy.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas Lobonc) writes:
>|> Bud Dry has flavor??????????? How can this shit be compared with Sam Adams
>|> Killians, and micros????????? Better than Bud?  So what!
>|> AAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!
>
>You missed my point.  The introduction of Bud Dry should be applauded as an
>attempt by a major brewery to brew something other than the standard skunky
>week stuff.  Granted it is week itself but at least it is _different_

This isn't apparent to me at all.  The introduction of Bud Dry should be
viewed as a smart marketing move to keep pace with the latest beer trend...
"lite" tasting beer with all the alcohol.  A-B's products are engineered
to be as minimally offensive as possible to as many people as possible.

Didn't the real Killian's go under years ago?

That doesn't mean that they don't deserve some applause.  The technical
demands of producing immense quantities of the same, inoffensive stuff
has produced some of the best work in practical biotechnology today.
A-B scientists have brewed just about every style imaginable in their
laboratories (including a stout which I hear is absolutely stunning) but
which have no place in their corporate scheme.

>|> CORONA SUCKS! That's why they give you a lime (The only one I ever drank
>|> I put 5 or 6 lime slices in) to kill the horrid taste.

Tom, Tom, Tom...the lime is there to keep the flies out.

Mmmm, Korbinian.  Ein prosit!

-dave

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Porter vs. Stout
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:33:21 GMT

In article 8Av@news.cso.uiuc.edu, parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
>	What exactly is the difference between a stout and a porter other
>than a stout is generally heavier darker and maltier?  Or is that it?

Quite often, the only difference is that one is labelled "stout" and
the other is labelled "porter".  According to Terry Foster's "Porter",
the two styles differed in almost all aspects (color, flavor, process,
etc) when porter was invented some 150 years ago, but over time they
became more and more similar.  It's a very good book, by the way...if
you don't have it, you should.

Generally, I've found porters to have lower starting gravities and less
"black" malt than stouts...sort of a "stout-lite".  (Tastes great!
More filling!)  Like you said, "heavier darker and maltier".  That's
not always the case, though, and the definitions of "lower" and "less"
are pretty arbitrary.

If I had my Eckhardt book here, I'd see what he has to say about it.  I
seem to remember him saying that there isn't a real dividing line
between the two styles; they just sort of merge.

How's that for a non-answer?

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From: parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Subject: Re: Warsteiner
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:19:01 GMT

ag099@yfn.ysu.edu (Jonathan Foster) writes:


>    If WARSTEINER beer ever makes it to the states, try it, you
>will become hooked.

	It has!!  Unfortunately, it's not nearly as tasty as it is in
Germany.  No beer exports well, of course, but Warsteiner seemed to do
worse than average.  But go ahead and drink it anyway.  It's still nice, and
it at least reminds me of the real thing.

	What I want to know is when is Flensburger or Moravia Pils going to
make it over here.

	Prosit
		-m.

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From: slamb@milp.jsc.nasa.gov (Sean Lamb)
Newsgroups: alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re: Beer/Brewing Periodicals?
Date: 15 Aug 1992 15:11:03 GMT
Organization: Loral Space Information Systems

_World Beer Review_ is another publication.  They're more like reviews of
beers, I think, I haven't ever read one.  Their address is 

	WBR Publications
	P.O. Box 71
	Clemson, SC 29633
		
More brewing-related periodicals are _American Brewer_, _New Brewer_, and
_Brewing Digest_ (or something like that).  _American Brewer_ is "Buffalo"
Bill Owen's publication.  It comes out quarterly, and it covers the North
American brewpub/micro scene.  If you can get the address for Buffalo Bill's
Brewpub in Hayward, CA, that's where they publish it from.  It's like $5
an issue, but I think a year's subscription is $18.  The publication
generally reflects Mr. Owens cantankerous attitude, but there are also
some good technical and financial/administrative articles for those with
the brewing bug.  They also try to dish a little of the dirt on the Micro/Pub
Brewing scene (what ther is).

_New Brewer_ is the American Hombrewer's Association sister association
, the Institute for Brewing Studies (or something like that), Micro/Pub
Brewing periodcial.  No Idea of how good it is, but it costs ~$50/year.
You can find ads for it in _zymurgy_.

_Brewing Digest_ (or whatever it's name is) is pretty cool, 'cause it's
a periodical aimed at selling stuff to brewers of all sizes.  It's really
and industry rag.  I think (not sure) it's related to the Seibel Institute in
Chicago.  I know that's where it's published.  It cost $25/year for 4 or 5
issues a couple of years ago.  I'll check into it, and post an update soon.
What's cool about this publication is that the first issue of the year
has a complete list of all of the licensed breweries in the U.S.  Everyone
from all of the Bud.Mill.Coors.Heileman places, but also all Micros and Pubs.
Includes addresses and phone nos. too.

WBR Publications alos has things like "On Tap"  which is a book about
all the brewpubs in the US.  It's got an update with it.  They also publish
a "Quick Guide" and a Map Poster.

I'll post the addresses for _American Brewer_, and _Brewing Digest_ in a
couple of days.


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From: zen@hophead (Nick Zentena)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Pub Draught Guinness in Chicago!
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 10:03:52 EDT
Reply-To: zen%hophead@canrem.com (Nick Zentena)
Organization: The Hop Head Saloon

lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes:

> 
> >Ale while I wait for the Guinness to chill.
> 
> Heathen! Blashpemer! Guinness SHOULD be served at room temperature! Good
> lord, man, you've been drinking too many Amerikan pisswater beers!

Hertic! Flase Prophet! Guinness MUST BE served at CELLAR
temps! Thats 50-55F! Not 68! Damn Yankees!
        Nick
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From: samg@dadd.ti.com (Sam Goins)
Subject: Re: Samuel Adams Dopplebock
Reply-To: samg@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:19:28 GMT

In article 18901@ncsu.edu, N51LS801@NCSUVM.CC.NCSU.EDU (David Austin) writes:
>In Amherst, MA, Samuel Adams Dopplebock is available on tap at the Lord Jeffrey Inn, >So: if one likes SAD, are there similar beers to consume while
>waiting for local stores to restock?

Paulaner Salvator dopplebock.  More expensive, but if you like the SAD, you'll
love this stuff too.  IMHO, of course...  8)

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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: alt.beer,soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Labatts/Molsons up beer prices
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:04:43 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

In article <schuck.714153115@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>
>Besides, as I said before, all Labatts and Molsons do are brew bad
>copies of bad American beer and then spend millions of dollars telling
>the people of Canada that it *doesn't* taste like horse piss.

Actually, the Canadian-brewed versions of Bud, Miller, Coors, etc.
are actually fuller tasting and stronger than their American home
versions.  This has been reported to me both on USENET (Alt.beer) and
off (colleagues up north for conferences) and by a taste test using a
world renown beer expert ... my Bavarian father-in-law-to-be (he did
not take more than a slight sip of the American Coors, a larger sip of
a Molson Quebec Coors, and then directly back to his Spaten weissbier
before issuing a verdict.  My fiancee is a lightweight and the U.S.
Coors was enough for her, leaving me with the Quebec version ...
alternating sips confirmed differences).  Readers are welcome to
field-test this themselves.

>If they brewed real beer and quit paying US breweries licensing 
>fees, they could *lower* the price of beer.

However, Labatt and Molson get free adverts when Canadians watch U.S.
sports on cable, whether NFL football on the Big 3 networks or hockey
from SportsChannel America/MSG/Prime Ticket, etc. off satellite, or at
any other hours when they see the BudMiloors commercials that fill the
empty spaces.  My sister has a B-school friend now at Labatt and he
told me that the U.S. brands are guaranteed profit for them, as their
licencing fees only kick in for profits and they were credited for the
previous start-up losses on Bud and Miller against current revenues.
If those efforts had failed, then Labatt and Molson would have taken
the loss but that didn't happen.

Also, their internal research indicates that Canadians would drink the
Canadian versions of U.S. brands, but would not continue with them
once they've tried one U.S. version during visits south (they would go
back to the Canadian versions once back home, however; there was a
mild panic at Labatt when the first half of that research came in).
The one beer that has bucked this trend is Miller Genuine Draft, and
Labatt was involved in litigation with Molson for rights to the
expression "Genuine Draft" when they tried to bring MGD to market up
north.

gld
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