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From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng (Re: incident)
Date: 22 Jul 1992 18:10:52 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <2A6CE520.5911@noiro.acs.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>
>	5. Without Chairman Mao, how will today's China be?

Without Mao, the rich people will be there, the poor people at least can earn
living by working for rich people. Now, all the people work for a poor boss,
named NEW CHINA, under the control of bosses named CCP.

Without Mao, `
	billion of people would not have to be killed for nonsense.
	China may have a GNP 10K now (as that of ROC).
	There would not have been a culture destruction for ten long years.
	Chinese people would not be that stupid, using bare hand to make
	   steel, using human body to resist US weapons in the battle field.
	China would not have isolated from western world, the average
	   Chinese people would be better off.

Without Mao, US studied scholars would not have been enslaved for no reasons.
See Shannon does not have to go labor camp if he goes back China. Those people
studied in US before 1949 were sent to labor camp many years when they returned
to China.
Without Deng, Shannon does not a chance to stay in the US working as a CCP
propaganda machine.
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mao Vs Deng (incident)
Date: 21 Jul 1992 17:18:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1992Jul21.023316.13977@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mxx7655@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>
>     My simple comparison between Mao and Deng:
>	Mao has more talent than Deng.
>	Mao is more capable and eager to destroy things.
>	Deng is more practical and willing to improve people's live.
>	Both are creative and decisive and Mao is crazy.
>
Mao's talent was from Chow En-lai, Deng has no such a help hand.
Mao  sent people to battle field to be killed,
Deng sent PLA to TAM to kill people.
Mao  disliked Chinese culture, a ten year long culture revolution had
destroyed many things in China.
Deng disliked Chinese culture, because it was destroyed.
Mao had no talent, no contact to western.
Deng once a while was together with Chow in Frence worked illegally
under the name of foreign study. Deng visited some countries in
Europe.
From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Women swimmers and their male appearance
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:02:58 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University


  The popular Chinese novelist Wang Shuo wrote a screenplay for the popular
Chinese movie director Zhang Yimou about a man recruited to compete with
a male foreign devil in boxing.  The foreign devil committed suicide for
being so afraid that the Chinese set up a committee to target him.  Without
a target, this Chinese man were convinced to go through a sex change opereation
to compete in woman's team.

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yyz@redwood17.cray.com
Subject: Re: Steriods. (was Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won gold medal)
Originator: yyz@redwood17
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:18:26 CDT


In article <1992Jul28.144525.24505@athena.mit.edu>, zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu) writes:
> In article <1992Jul28.102928.4460@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, huangzh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Andy Huang) writes:
> |> Please understand that here I am not to accuse anyone using anything.  But
> |> please don't be too surprised if you have a good friend who graduated
> |> (or got an MS degree) from BeiJingTiYuXueYuan and works as scientist in 
> |> Guo2Jia1 Ti3Yu4 Ke1Yan2 Suo3 or as a trainer with a women's national 
> |> (cycling, T&F, swimming, skating...etc.) team, and he/she happens to tell
> |> you in a casual tone (you're good friends, right?) how those athletes are
> |> scheduled for their diet, training sessions, their periods, ... don't be
> |> too surprised if you hear how their muscles are developed, don't be too 
> |> surprised if your friend happens to know Ye QiaoBo (or some other 
> |> unfortunate ones who just got caught but never known by the public) and 
> |> tells you what actually happened.  Don't be too surprised when your 
> |> friend tell you why in many sports that require muscle strength Chinese
> |> girls did much better than guys (how many women's weightlifting world 
> |> records are held by Chinese?). Don't be surprised when your friend tells 
> |> you that in China AND MANY SPORT POWERHOUSE COUNTRIES there're scientists
> |> who work their butt off to find a way to NOT GET CAUGHT --all in the name
> |> of Ti3Yu4 Ke1Yan2........ Remember, sterois is only one of few drugs that
> |> listed in the test and there're tons of others out there which are "better
> |> for certain purposes", and there're tons of "scientists" all over the world.
> |> Unfortunately the fact in the 90's seems to be that there is much more
> |> BEHIND THE CAMERA than before, and if you're caught, you're just an unlucky 
> |> SOB that everybody would laugh at, but if you get away with it, well.....do
> |> we need to say more?
> |> --Andy
> |> 
> |> 
> |> 
> |> -- 
> |> =============================== Andy Huang <huangzh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
> |> P.S. Thank you for reading my article. We may not share the same idea but I 
> |> respect whatever thoughts you may have. Please feel free to agree/disagree, 
> |> to laugh/criticize/protest. Or to use "kill", s'il vous plait.
> 
> 
> No! I won't be surprised! Just by looking at Zhuang Yong & Lin Li's bodies and 
> hearing their voice, I believe everything! :)  

Boy, you either have a hearing problem or a vision problem.
What would you say about Mary Ellen Clark?  What does she look or sound like
to you?  I think Americans just don't quite understand that people of
other races could be better than them.  Even their "man-like" women are not as
good as those from other countries.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang)
Subject: Re: Steriods. (was Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won gold medal)
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:49:33 GMT

jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:

>In article <1992Jul27.165935.1577@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>, yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>|> In article <yzhou.712266040@void>, yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Ya Zhou) writes:
>|> >   As I recall, there has never been a Chinese Summer Olympics athlete charged
>|> >   with any kind of steroid using by IOC, controversially, some American athletes
>|> >   have be banned because of using steroid. 
>|> 
>|> I think there are cases when Chinese are tested positive, BUT it was because
>|> the athletes took some traditional Chinese flu-killer (Su4 Xiao4 Shang1 Feng1
>|> Jiao1 Nang2, fast cold relief sapsule) which should not have steriods.  I heard
>|> of this in 1985 or so.  It is said that the national team then decided to avoid
>|> these flu-killers during the training sessions and the games.
>|> 
>|> Any use of steriods by Chinese athletes?  I have never heard of.
>|> 

>It might be those journalists have too much steroids...

In their mind, only steroid can make one a gold medalist. One of the American
male gold medalist was kicked out of school twice because of drugs and ...


>Lin Can
>                                          

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Lei@bnos.csd.bldrdoc.gov
Subject: Re: Forward - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:38:56 GMT

>China's sport and the athelete system is purely for political propoganda.
>Intensive training (a lot of money spent) on a few eliet atheletes has
>nothing to do with the general improvement of health of Chinese ordinary

Come on! The purpose of Olympic Games is not for improving people's health.
You don't have to run 100 meters within 10 seconds and jump 2.40 meters high
to improve your health. If you want to be healthy, you should do GUANG3 BO1
TI3 CAO1 OR YAN3 BAO3 JIAN4 CAO1, that sort of things. Do you think by
being hit on your head (in boxing) will help you solving Schrodinger
equation? This is so called "JING4 JI4 TI3 YU4". it urges people to go
to their limits. Without a special training system, people can never
achieve that.


>people.  Actually, China did inadequite.  (A question: What percentage of
>high schools or even colleges in China have standard track/field playground?)



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From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:11:02 GMT

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From: Zi-ping Zhang <zhang@physics.purdue.edu>
To: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department
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Hi, I'm writing to you to applaud what you've written about the `60' swimming
pool in China. It's certainly outrageous for the TIME magazine to publish
this crap. Since I am from Beijing, I can tell you how many swimming pools
there are in Beijing. Beijing has at least 50 universities and colleges.
Each of them has at least one swimming pool. There are thousands of big
and mid sized companies. On the average each of them would have one swimming
pool. Then there are 50+ governmental ministries. Each of them has at least
two swimming pools at its disposal. Then there are numerous fancy hotels,
recreational and sport facilities. The list can go on and on. By a conservative
estimate, Beijing itself has at least one thousand swimming pools.

This outrageous article only illustrate once again the bias that the Time-
Warner organization has toward China. It seems to me that the Time magazine
is willing to publish any crap about China as long as it portrays China in a
negative way. And they thought that the American public will always buy it.
NO MORE!!! It's time for us to raise hell with Time. I strongly encourage
you to write to Time. We shall ask for the firing of their horrible reporter
in Beijing who violated the basic professional ethics on reporting---`Get your
facts straight before you write'.

On the other hand, I am not surprised by this behavior. I learned that the
founder of Time-Life magazine used to be a close friend of the late
Chiang Kai-shik. 

I strongly encourage everyone from mainland to discontinue their subscription
with Time. This is America man and money talks! Let's hurt Time where it really
counts.  

Please feel free to redistribute what I am sending you on the net. (I don't
know how to post a message on the net).

So 60 swimming pools for the 1 billion chinese? Ha, ha ha. This is the
best joke I've heard so far this year!!!

Thank you again for writing the article.


-Ziping Zhang
Purdue


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Lei@bnos.csd.bldrdoc.gov
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won Gold Medal
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:40:47 GMT

>But U.S. swimmers and coaches are candid with their suspicions. Results
>at the Asian Games had shown a drastic drop in times from two years ago.
>Sunday night Zhuang, ranked fourth in the world with a time of 55.27,
>quickened to 54.64. Lin went from 4:47.15 to 4:36.73 within four months.
>
>"There's no proof; they've never been caught." said Haislett, who finished
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>fourth in the 100-meter freestyle with a time of 55.17. "There's been
>speculation and rumors, but until one is caught, there's nothing you can do
>about it."

Since Jenny Thompson has never been caught for using steroid, she still
holds the world record. Until she is caught, there is nothing you can do
about it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: polar@top.cis.syr.edu (Polar Humenn)
Subject: Rock Concert in Bejing
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 13:10:49 EDT

Hi,
I have a couple of questions.  A friend of mine was recently approached
by the Chinese Government about producing a Rock Concert (stadium style)
in Bejing.  Before he seriously talks to these guys he wants a little
backround information.  

1.  Is there enough interest for Western Music to fill a stadium
    out there.  Or will it be too crazy and get out of hand, ie. 
    causing the tanks to roll in again.  

2.  Also, what type of music would the, I suppose younger, people would
    like to see.  The government wants a BIG show.   However, they have
    absolutely no idea about western music.  Would somebody like Madonna,
    or Micheal Jackson,  who gets pretty sexual on stage, be shut down?  
    Would the people prefer "nice guys" like Elton John (who will be on tour)
    or Billy Joel, or do they want somebody like Bruce Springstein and 
    John Cougar Mellanchamp screaming red, white, and blue, America.

3.  BIG QUESTION.  If there was to be a Rock Concert in Bejing, where would
    they have it.  How big is the place(s).

I don't have a lot of information on this, and right now it is just
an idea brewing, but the government wants to move on this by the end of
august.
What are the thoughts out there?  Will this kind of thing fly.

Thanks,
-Polar     replies to   polar@top.cis.syr.edu
           discussion to soc.culture.china

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jjs@iedv7.acd.com ( James J. Song       )
Subject: Re: No Dogs or Chineses
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:20:13 GMT

In article <199207230339.AA03841@thames.bu.edu> lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
>Tingli Pan wrote:
>>The original intention was to take over Honei in around 3 weeks. And
>>force Vietnam to withrdraw from Kampuchia.
>
>I doubt this. If China took over Honei, China's buttocks must be kicked
>by the Bear. That is also why China did not use airforce and navy. The
>scope was very limited for fearing of Bear's intervening.

Then the Bear had to protect its ass from being kicked by the Sam.
___
From: jan@cs.uq.oz.au (Chen Jan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:36:37 GMT
Reply-To: jan@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Jul24.045511.8223@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:

>I wonder why some people who are quite eager to bash the Western
>media previously have shown quite remarkable restrains this time
>on the TIME article. Some even defended for the magazine. And where
>are the 92XX action committe/people?

It's fuuny to see how you think of 92XX action people. I cann't see
any relationship between the TIME report and 92XX action.

>                                      Isn't this a golden opportunity
>for them to Yi1 Zhan3 Suo3 Chang2 to show how good they can screw
>people around?

You think they are good or you suggest they could take this opportunity?
For the latter, you might put them, at least some of them, in a wrong
type. :-)

>Steven
>------
>328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
>        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.

Be careful, don't take the wrong opportunity. :-]

Chen Jian
From: yfeng@kirk.ecs.umass.edu (Youlin Feng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: One more Gold
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:45:41 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

Gold and Silver medals go to Chinese girls in 50m freestyle.
Sanders took Gold in 200m butterfly, Chinese silver.
                                                     ---CNN Sports
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:21704 rec.sport.olympics:2077
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Steroids, Aids, and baby drowning
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:46:00 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <1992Jul31.144355.15182@news.duc.auburn.edu> ding@eng.auburn.edu (Z. Ding) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.192411.20300@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>>
......

>Solinsky seems to imply that since there are Chinese drowning baby girls,
>this must be wide spread. Since there are American parents abusing and
>killing their children, this must be a common practice. Well, I am not
>willing to even go so far as saying: since there is a Solinsky making
>stupid comments, many Americans must do. 
>
Assuming you are an American, born in America, read american paper and
magazines, watch NBC, ABC, or CBS, never being in China, but might know
some Chinese around. What would you think about the drowning baby girls
stories. (let's not to talk whether this does happen or just in an
isolated cases or a popular practicing) Certainly you will bear this in
mind that Chinese kill their baby girls. But usually you will talk
this to your spouse, you children, or some close friends, assuming none
of them are Chinese. That is why Chinese rarely hear such thougt from  
Americans yet I think it is wide spread among America. Mr. Solinsky is just
telling what he thinks and never had a chance to tell Chinese until the
HIV stuff comes out. In that sense I think we should thank him for his
frankness.   

Tingli Pan
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang,606 Meyer,(212)998-7728,                )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:20:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:

|>I think there might also be some reservation stemming from the association
|>of the Chinese team with the Chinese government, which was of course 
|>responsible for the Tianenmen Square massacre. 
Why don't the commendator asociate Chinese team with those students on TAM
square?
|>a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
|>Felix Sebastian Ortony	fortony@murphy.gis.uiuc.edu
Ze  Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: TIME: How Not To Break China
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:41:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.233244.20188@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>How not to Break China
>
>by Strobe Talbott
>
>TIME, August 3, 1992
>
>The leaders of the People's Republic richly deserve sanctions.  The people
TIME try to calm down the outrage resulted from the "60 swimmin pools".
How people see Chinese leader is Chinese business! Has nothing to do
with others.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:57:07 GMT

In article <redmondd.712414807@unix1.tcd.ie> redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz) writes:
>
>Yeah, but also remember that if you come off the dope a few weeks
>before the meet you won't get caught but the "benefits" linger.
>
>Judge Raz.

There is no proof that the Chinese team used it. There is no proof
that American team did not use it.

The only reason for this is that: The dream team has lost a Gold,
so they turn red and throw random accusation.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s6883289@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Peter Hawkins)
Subject: Olympics opening ceremony
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:14:04 GMT

as seen on tv, the opening ceremony included opera performance by some famous
singers. what if the event is to be held in china/hongkong/taiwan? do you
think we will get to see chinese opera?


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zy5y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Comrade Yang)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Reply-To: zy5y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Comrade Yang)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:50:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.215630.50355@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>,
exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Edwin X. Li) writes:

|> >Olympic Mathmatics contest:
|> >   China No.1
|> >   U.S.  No.2
|> >   Romania N0.3
|> >   CIA    No4.
|> >Most U.S. team members are ethinic Chinese!
|> 
|> so what? some nerds and geeks gathered togather to have some fun.
|> does it necessary mean they will all become reknowned scientists and
|> mathmaticians? i don't think so. but if you do, try name
|> some famous names who were past winners of this competition.
|> 
	Well, sounds to me like these nerds and geeks are smarter
than you and me. I did figure this one out somehow.:-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yzheng@ldgo.columbia.edu (yan zheng)
Subject: JOB OPPORTUNITY IN BEIJING
Keywords: research scientist, wanted, environmental analysis
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:35:07 GMT

This is an advertisement for my ex-boss, Professor Xiao-quan Shan,
in the Research Center For Eco-Environmental Sciences, Chinese Academy
of Sciences in Beijing. Professor Xiao-quan Shan is looking for research
scientist who have or will have a Ph.D degree in chemistry, biochemistry,
geochemistry or environmental sciences and is willing to go back to
China this year or early next year. The person is expected to do research
on speciation analysis for environmental studies. Good health condition 
and younger than 45 years are strongly recommended. People have relevant
background are encouraged to apply and to ask information about the
research project, funding situation, lab facility, salary and accomodation,
etc. Please send your application and Resume to:

Professor Xiao-quan Shan
Research Center for Eco-Environmental Sciences
Academia Sinica
P.O.Box 2871, 100085
Beijing, P.R.China

:wq



:wq

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Steriods. (was Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won gold medal)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:12:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.144525.24505@athena.mit.edu> zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu) writes:

>No! I won't be surprised! Just by looking at Zhuang Yong & Lin Li's bodies and 
>hearing their voice, I believe everything! :)  

Can any one in this network give a detailed analysis about the use of
steroid? Why it affect one's body and voice? What is the rule of
olympics in testing steroid? Why she was not tested. Was she told
that she would not be tested?

I really pissed up by this allegation with evidence. Is this guilty
by suspicion?


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