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From: timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin)
Subject: Re: Holiday Bowl (Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES)
Keywords: travesty
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:10:42 GMT

peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:

>	You probably don't know this Bryan, but the Holiday Bowl publicly
>	announced either Sunday night or Monday morning that it indeed
>	*would* honor the deal with the Big Ten.  They then laid out
>	the possibilities:

>	- If MSU wins, they get the bid (6-5)

>	- If Illinois wins, and Iowa wins, Iowa gets the bid (6-6)

>	- If Illinois wins, and Iowa loses, Illinois gets the bid (6-4-1)

>	What those bowl folks didn't tell us is what happens if Illinois
>	and MSU tie!  I suspect that MSU would still get the nod, because
>	of their better conference record than the other two.  But, their
>	overall record would be 5-5-1...  I think the Holiday Bowl is
>	simply looking ahead.  Remember, last year they got a 10-1 Iowa
>	team, and they don't want to kill a potentially lucrative
>	arrangement just because of one bad year...

Wouldn't a UI-MSU tie make both teams ineligible for the bowls?  Neither
would have 6 wins, and an Iowa loss would keep them out too.  I would
think that the big10? would keep quiet and let the Holiday go elsewhere
rather than cancel the game :).

Mike Timlin
timlin@spot.colorado.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:16:51 EST
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan Wolverines: Princes of the Ties
 <1ep19mINN53d@bredbeddle.cs.purdue.edu>

In article <1ep19mINN53d@bredbeddle.cs.purdue.edu>, sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve
Chapin) says:
>
>}} In article <By4y6p.E4I@hfglobe.intel.com> sting@hfglobe.intel.com (Joe
>Bennett) writes:
>}}
>}} The most amazing thing about it is that the Michigan haters will try to
>}} turn this tie as well into "Michigan played for the tie."  Just like the
>}} ND game, enough of them will say that's what happened and then it will
>}} be a net.fact.
>
>It is obvious that Moeller decided, with about 1:00 to go and the ball
>on his own 5, that he would not try to win the game.  I cannot blame
>him, as the odds were high that he would end up losing (Collins looked
>shaky, tOSU was laying back, waiting for a pass, and Williams can hit
>fields goals from long range).
>
>Ergo, Moeller did play for the tie, but it was the right thing to do,

Actually, I'm not really sure you can accuse Moeller of playing for
a tie.  Yes, he called a number of running plays, but it seemed that he
was trying to move the ball to a point where a turnover would not auto-
matically cost him the game.  Once that was accomplished, he started
putting the ball up.

Conservative?  Absolutely.  Going for a tie?  Perhaps not.


Jim Thomas
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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: TEXAS aTm - got screwed
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.192151.9245@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> wingfiel@lonestar.utsa.edu (Kevin J. Wingfield) writes:
>        So Lee, you AP voters, and FSU leeches, that this to heart

Let me see.. what happened when these teams played last?

You talked about FSU squeaking by.. How about A&M. They seueaked
by a Texas Tech by 1 point, the same team which was beaten by
35 pts by a not-so-hot OU. They squeaked past a not-so-hot
stanford by 3 points. They defeated Baylor by 3-points at
home, the same baylor which lost by 20 pts to Colorado.
Then recently, they defeated a Houston team by 4 pts which
was beaten 63-3 by Michigan! Yes, A&M is sure playing like
a champion.

NOT!

If A&M wins MNC this year, then Fres(?) state should have shared
it last year.. I heard they were undefeated last year.

Njan
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From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Played like Crap Against ...
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:37:23 GMT

>
>One thing to note about the above... Michigan has 2 ties, 1 on the road and
>one at home.  Notre Dame has 1 loss and 1 tie, both at home.  Some could 
>argue that Notre Dame SHOULD have lost against Penn State, except for the 
>great catch...  Besides that, they played like crap against PSU...  And again,
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>this was at home.  
>>           Easy schedule
>
>	Yes, but they haven't lost a game yet...
>
>
>-- 
>David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
>VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
>uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
>davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"

There's been a lot of "they played like crap against ..." arguments
on this group lately, and I think it's high time that it was stopped, or at
least, that those folks should consider the game more carefully.  Whenever
a team doesn't blow someone out, they "played like crap."  If they blow
someone out they're "running it up" or their opponent didn't really
deserve the high ranking.  Often people argue that a team "can't win the
close one," or can't "come from behind."

In the ND-PSU case, it should be noted that Penn State always plays ND
tough, no matter how crummy they are that year.  It should also be noted
that the #1 team "played like crap" against them also.  Maybe it should
be counted as something in ND's favor that they could have packed it in,
but instead took a gut check and drove for the winning score.  It should
also be noted that the bad weather had an effect on the game, especially 
in the first half.


-- 
Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 292-2357
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
From: ongh@iastate.edu (Undertaker...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: ISU vs NU Stats....
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:37:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bxs6yM.496
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

after the big big upset in ISU football history, here are the stats for
those that might be interested....

               	ISU 19  	NU 10

1st down	20		13
Rushing		70-373		39-192
Passing   	3-4-0,26yds	3-12-0,51yds
Net yds		399		246
gains/play	5.4		4.8
return yds	1		0
fumbles-lost	4-0		0-0
punt average	2-38		7-40.9
penalties	2-13		5-40
3rd dn eff	6-16		2-11
time poss	37.15min	22.45min 

SCORING:  (time indicates game clock)
1st quarter:
ISU - FG Stewart 37,9.46min, Drive:11 plays,60 yards. key plays :Ulrich 32 run
NU  - FG Bennett 33,5.17. Drive :9 plays, 56 yards.

2nd quarter
ISU - FG Stewart 32, 14.23. Drive:12 plays,66yds key play  :Seiler 32yds run
NU  - Lewis 15 pass from Frazier(Bennett kick)11.49 key play: Frazier 52 run
ISU - FG Stewart 45, 5.49. Drive:13 plays,46 yds.
	key play: Seiler 2run on 4th dn 
ISU - FG Stewart 30 1.38. Drive : 7 plays 27 yds.

4th quarter
ISU - Ulrich 2 run(Stewart kick) 10.50. Drive :2 plays, 80 yds. 
	key play: Seiler 78 run

individual stats:

RUSHING :
ISU:				NU:
Seiler		24-144;		Frazier		13-92
Ulrich 		17-105;		Brown		14-64 <- total domination!!
Garris(fr)	8-66		Jones		9-28  <-  -ditto-
Branch		6-18		Lewis		3-8
Patterson	8-24
Williams	6-12
Knott		1-4	

RECEIVING:
ISU:				NU:
Patterson 	2-13		Brown		1-20
Ulrich		1-13		Vedral		1-19
				Lewis		1-15 (from an amazing pass from
							Frazier, TD)


hank 
ongh@iastate.edu
From: maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re:       #1 in WAC
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:19:51 GMT
Organization: Utah Valley Community College

> 	Suppose after the regular season, the final records look like:
> 
> 		Hawaii		6-2
> 		San Diego St.	6-2
> 		BYU		6-2
> 		XXX		6-2
> 
> 	Who will be WAC Champ?    
> 
While obviously all three would be WAC champs, SDSU would play in the
Holiday Bowl because of its win over both Hawaii and BYU.

arthur
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From: lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway NJ
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:46:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.154927.26542@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> kkc@nursing.arizona.edu writes:
>
>>>AP
>>>
>>>1. Miami
>>>2. Alabama
>>>3. FSU
>>>4. Texas A&M
>>>
>>>FSU jumps over Texas A&M, with a blow out with Tulane.
>>>      :
>>>      :
>>>      :
>>>Texas A&M is not happy about the AP polls, but are still in the race.   
>>>Unless, FSU makes it to #2 and meets Miami in the Fiesta.
>>>
>
>>Couldn't agree with you more, A&M did nothing to merit a drop like that
>>in the polls. A W is a W and nobody remember how you did it later on. By
>>the way, how about the rest of the top 25?....
>>
>>Dave Elfering
> 
> Sure A&M deserves the lower poll ranking than FSU. A&M was unimpressive in 
> their win over Houston. IMO they do not deserve to be in the top 10. Which top
> 25 teams have they played so far?

In the past, the ACC champ usualy received little respect - why should it
change  because it's Florida State.  FSU lost to the only quality team
they played, beating Tulane and Maryland (with the MO points theory) was
about as impressive as their win against ACC powerhouse Clemson (a win which
made the pollsters take them seriously).


John L


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From: retrac@vesuvius.cs.rice.edu (John Carter)
Subject: Bizarre possibility in the SWC
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:37:38 GMT


Man, things are getting crazy out there this year!  Justice is served as
three of the weak sisters of the Puny 10/11 managed to go that one extra
yard towards medicrity and blow bowl bids (yay!).  Syracuse falls four yards
short of upsetting the 'canes.  Then Washington State beats Washington and
Arizona State beats Arizona to further muddy the Pac 10 bowl picture.  SMU
beats Arkansas to finish 5-6.  *SMU* *5-6*?!?  Wow!

But those all pale in comparison to what could transpire, and will probably
even be favored to transpire according to Vegas, in the SWC next week...

Try THIS one on for size.  IF Texas A&M beats Texas AND Rice beats Houston,
Rice will finish in second place in the SWC and thereby earn an automatic
bid to the John Hancock Bowl as part of the bowl coalition.  For Rice to be
playing for anything other than pride in November is amazing, but to have a
chance to go to a second tier bowl (the John Hancock is no Weedeater Bowl)
and come in second place in the conference is nothing short of spectacular.

Hats off to coach Goldsmith and the team for Rice's first winning season
since 1963 (that's not a typo - 19*63*), something they ensured when they
beat Navy 24-14 in a thunderstorm this afternoon.  Win or lose next week,
they've done a hell of a job of resurrecting a program that went 3-30 (or
so) my first three years here!

Speaking of win or lose, I am actually not all that confident that Rice can
beat the Cougars next week.  Houston is better than their record indicates,
witness the way they blew out bowl bound Illinois, and their passing attack
should shred Rice's rather porous pass defense.  Luckily for the Owls,
Houston's defense is as porous as their offense is deadly, so its not
inconceivable that we win.  Still, after Rice's rather lackluster win today
over the hapless Midshipmen, I'm not expecting much.

As a quick retrospective of the season, Rice has not been blown out in any
of their four losses.  They lost to Air Force in the opener at Air Force,
losing ~31-24 after falling far behind in the first half (~21-0).  Then they
lost at Duke by about a TD in a torrential downpour that stymied their speed
game.  The Owls are faster than they are big, so a wet field hurts them more
than most.   The final score of the A&M game was lopsided, but the outcome
was completely up in the air going into the fourth period before A&M got
some lucky bounces and pulled away.  Finally, the Owls just missed upsetting
Texas after a furious second half comeback (Rice?  Second half comeback?
Come again...) fell just short on a controversial ruling on a Rice onside
kick.  Wild and wacky stuff, as Carson was wont to say.

What a crazy year in college football.

-- 
John Carter  -*-  Rice University Computer Systems Lab  -*-  retrac@rice.edu

Thesis hacking Owl, soon to be Ute.  Move over Salt Lake, here he comes!
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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Lee Corso Screws A&M
Keywords: n
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:52:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.153308.11864@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>
>Can't be much worse than Colorado...  Colorado lost by a LARGE margin to
>Nebraska...

At least it wasn't in Boulder... If you have a short memory, the same
Coloraro beat the sh*t out of Baylor team in WACO.. How did aggies do
against Baylor? I heard it was a lot closer (and that too at home?)

>SOME TEAMS DON'T LINE UP WELL WITH EACH OTHER!!!  Michigan started rolling

I can understand if A&M had one close game ( Like Miami ) Every team plays bad
sometimes... But, Baylor, Texas Tech, UH, (and some others I don't care to
remember!!!). You guys have no claim against FSU jumping you in the polls.
Remember, FSU's only loss was a close one against #1 Miami... what else do 
you expect when a lower ranked team plays a higher ranked team?

My point is that A&M (and Colorado, if you don't get it) doesn't belong
in the class of FSU (at least right now). I thought Nebraska was till last
saturday! (*hehe*)

>so according to Njan (Mr. Colorado), I derive that every team that has
>lost by more than 2 touchdowns sucks eggs.

especially at home!

>cmuck

Njan
From: dwray@convex.com (Daryl Wray)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Texas 35 SMU 14
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:40:18 GMT
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In article <2B0950DC.12534@news.service.uci.edu> jayakris@translab.its.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan) writes:
>
>   Is this game going to be the SWC game of the week on Raycom (?). Prime
>   ticket is going to show that game at 10am on Saturday here in California.
>   Does anyone know, if it is going to be the game ?
>
>   Jay   (The one from California..)
>
Answer's yes and yes.

daryl
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From: doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel)
Subject: OSU-Michigan inury status?
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Distribution: rec
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:26:13

Could someone closer to each side fill me in on the injury status of each
team.  My latest information on Ohio State (report after the Minnesota game)
showed:

	Dan Wilkinson: slight shoulder problem but still able to play
	Alan Kline: reaggrivated ankle injury but able to play
	Korey Stringer: missed Minn. w/ sprained ankle but ready for IU

What's the status after the IU game?  Who besides Joey Galloway for OSU is
out and/or hobbled?

How about Michigan?

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From: skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell)
Subject: Re: Nebraska-->Fiesta,CU-->Orange
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:24:13 GMT

planger@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Paul Langer) writes:


>  Gosh Marty what happened to yer boys there against Iowa State?

>  Sure are quiet this week...........................

We're sulking! Leave us alone!! ;-)

gobigred

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From: doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel)
Subject: Re: First round surprise (prediction)
Organization: Bell Communications Research
	<1992Nov23.193612.26387@guinness.idbsu.edu>
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:54:28


Andrew Betz writes:

> In article <1992Nov23.125825.5784@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
> >	Yet Another way-out on the limb prediction:
> >
> >	Kirk Herbstreit will go in the first round of the college draft. 
> >(Methinks either Philadelphia or Chicago are likely selectors.)
> 
> gads, you really are going out on a limb.  i will have to respectfully
> disagree: i think kirk, for no fault of his own, has been afflicted
> with what i call the "flutie disease" (named in honor of doug flutie).
> that is, he's too SHORT (what is kirk, 5'9"?  maybe 5'10"?).

He's 6'2" 212lbs which is certainly tall enough to play in the NFL, though
he is a bit thin.  Nonetheless, Brett is a bit starry-eyed with his
prediction.  I'll be surprised if Herbstreit gets drafted anywhere in the
first six rounds.

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Piscataway, NJ 08854

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 and wrong." - H.L. Mencken
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES 
Keywords: travesty
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:14:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.150509@IASTATE.EDU> rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner) writes:
>If Iowa beats Minnesota this weekend and
>Michigan state loses to Illinois, both very
>real possibilities, then Iowa will be (6-6) and
>will receive a bid to play in the Holiday Bowl.
>
>I think this would be a travesty, look at the 
>teams Iowa has beaten
>
>Iowa State (home)
>Wisconsin  (home)
>Northwestern (home)
>Indiana      (road)
>Illinois    (road)
>
>hardly an impressive list, surely there will
>be more deserving teams who won't get to go
>to a bowl.

	Yeah, but look at the losses:  NC State, Miami, Colorado, Michigan,
	Ohio State, and Purdue.  5 out of 6 ain't bad here!  Those 5 have
	been well-entrenched in the ratings all year.  And, I think you
	could make a strong case for Iowa beating Purdue and doing better
	against Ohio State had Jim Hartlieb not been hurt at Illinois.  He
	was probably having the best year of any Big Ten QB, including
	Elvis, and I assume he would be available for the bowl game.  I
	really believe that the Holiday Bowl is discounting the NC State
	loss since it is considered the 12th game.  Just a rumor I heard
	the other day...

	Iowa's road wins at Illinois and IU were impressive.  They outscored
	the two by a combined 38-7.  I seem to recently recall That Mighty
	Michigan team fairing worse against Illinois.  And, didn't your
	Cyclones just beat Nebraska?  Wisconsin was at the peak of their
	season when Iowa beat them, and nobody has scored more points on
	Northwestern than Iowa did last Saturday...
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Why Michigan sucks..
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:25:24 GMT

In article <14713.2b09a27d@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

   >.. and another thing. It looks like the reason Moeller went for
   >the tie against Illinois was because he wanted to wrap up the Big-10
   >Championship WITHOUT having to play Ohio State. Basically he's scared
   >(even though the goofball won't admit it, even Schembechler thinks
   >he's a dork).

   >So his being scared of OSU cost Michigan a chance at the MNC. Too Bad.

   >And it would have been so much fun...  :/

   >-Garrett

Strictly sour grapes that Ohio State, AS USUAL, doesn't have a chance
to play for the league championship.  Go ahead, whine.  It just makes
you look bad.  But then, posting an article with "___ sucks" in the
title won't win you much respect in the group either.



-Alan Harder
 American Mathematical SOciety
 Michigan Fan
 Drinker of Anchor Steam
From: saqx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Canes in the Graves-yard!
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:35:22 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Miami visits the Carrier Dome this Saturday for a game that will decide
which team plays for the national championship on January 1.  So come on, 
all you fans that "dislike" the Hurricanes with a passion---pull for the
Orange this weekend!  Pray for us; we'll need it!  But no woofing, please;
restrict statements of optimism to nothing stronger than "I think they 
can give Miami a game".  Thanks for your support.  

                        COME ON, ORANGEMEN!


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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Best looking cheerleaders in college
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:13:35 GMT

>Well, it's that time of year again.  We all know that Ohio State has the
>best marching band (I believe it was empirically proven here a few weeks
>ago).  And Miami has the best college football team in world history.  There
>is only one question left to be decided: which college has the best looking
>cheerleaders?
>
>This weekend should provide ample ;-) evidence that the University of
>Southern California has without a doubt the best looking cheerleaders. 
>There should be plenty of gratuitous coverage of these buxom beauties when
>USC plays Note Dame on Saturday.  They just can't be denied.

The Top 5 :	1. USC
		2. USC
		3. USC
		4. USC
		5. USC

GT

>jc
>-- 
>
>What we really need to do to bring peace to the middle-east
>is to get the Jews together with the Muslims
>and teach them to act like good Christians.


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From: kevins@netcom.com (Kevin Schraith)
Subject: Illinois dignity
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:01:05 GMT

Ummm... I admit I may have started this slew of Illinois woofing with by
jokingly predicting a win which almost happened and then gloating about it,
but my conscience forces me to do this.

Fellow Illini fans, PLEASE stop the woofing now, before someone gets hurt.
And especially try to refrain from the playground namecalling and CAPITALIZED
sentences to the effect of "Nyah-nyah, we beat you!  Some #3 team you are!
etc. etc."  I know that doing well against Michigan was shocking, and we
deserve to be proud and happy, but let's not take it too far.

Oh, and while I'm at it, I'd also like to call for the end to all ethnic
violence in the world, shelter for the homeless, and peace and happiness for
all mankind (personkind?)

Kevin Schraith
Embarrassed Illinois Alum
kevins@netcom.com