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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re:  I DID give up on the Amiga!
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:46:13 GMT

In article <sbiddle.05z7@aviate.welly.gen.nz> sbiddle@aviate.welly.gen.nz (Steve Biddle) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.101352.20956@marlin.jcu.edu.au>,
>	cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>>In Australia the A600 is about $650.  It is only around $200
>>extra for a 20 MB harddrive.  This will mean a lot more Amiga owners
>>will have harddrives, which can only be good for the Amiga.  I doubt
>>a 40 MB harddrive would be much more.
>
>Is the A600 actually shipping with a 20meg HD though? Over here in NZ, it's
>shipping with a 30 meg SCSI drive. (I kid you not)

I am unsure about this as I haven't bought one yet :-)  It is probably
the same over here though.

>Yup, they're slowly going places. The price of the 2000 has also dropped
>over here, and being part of CBM Australia, I can imagine they've also
>dropped there as well. A 2000 with 52meg drive and monitor isn't much more
>that what a plain 500 with monitor was a year ago..

Yes the price of the 2000 has dropped remarkably in Australia.  It is now
$1400 Aust. for a 2000 with 52 meg drive.  This is really cheap, and 
certainly kills the idea of selling my 2000 2nd-hand.  Even with my
expanded system I would still lose at least 2k on resale.

> Steven Biddle	     -	   Mail: sbiddle@aviate.welly.gen.nz

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              "Friends come and go, but enemies accumulate."
From: Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: C= speaks!!! let's spread the words!!!
Distribution: world
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:14:42 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Thu 30 Jul 92  9:36, Skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (skip Sau
wrote:

 SS> You may be right that there is nothing special about a bare-bones Mac
 SS> or PC
 SS> when compared to an A3000.  But consider the special things that can
 SS> be
 SS> added to the Mac or PC that are either not available or are too
 SS> expensive
 SS> for the A3000.  As nice as the A3000 may be, its potential has been
 SS> wasted
 SS> due to C='s neglect.  

  I am more interested in the fact the Commodore really came out with one
machine.. one that support UNIX as well. Apple had 8 in one year.. and they
were all siginificant improvements. The 950 is worth buying over the 900
because of the significant hardware upgrades, for example.

Mike.. 

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---------
Phillip Robinson author of Washington Post/San Jose Mercury
article is RIGHT about Commodore atrocities regarding the Amiga!
Let's make HIM our voice! Since Commodore won't listen to us!

                              Phil Robinson
                              P.O. Box 1377
                           Sausalito, CA  94966
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From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:40:26 GMT

In <mykes.09sd@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>Whatever Unix needs, the Amiga OS kicks its but with the same configuration.
>However, Unix has RTG, while Amiga OS doesn't.

This is of course not true. UNIX has no RTG as UNIX has no idea about
graphics. The fact that UNIX workstations usually run X11 doesn't mean that
much as the Amiga can run X11 as well under AmigaOS.

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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Colin avoids the floppy disk lunch
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: comp
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:55:17 GMT

  Well, Colin, looks like you're saved from a fate worse than death.
In today's Mercury, Intel has announced they are delaying the release
of the P5 (aka 586) until the first quarter of 93, due to their
desire to have "large volume" at the time of release (although everyone
else knows it's because they can't build the damned things).

  For those who don't think the 586 is hampered by backwards
compatibility, it will be interesting to look at HP's 7100 and Dec's
21064, which should both be released at the same time as the 586
and compare the performance and price.

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From: vailm00@DMI.USherb.CA (MARC VAILLANCOURT)
Subject: Re: Commodore and the Osborne Syndrome
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- departement de Mathematiques et d'Informatique
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:22:24 GMT

-> I keep wondering why Commodore just would not let us know what is 
-> going on with OS2.1, the HD drives, the new chip set, the bridge 
-> boards, and so many other products that we know are cooking.  Is 
-> it because the Osborne Syndrome? No way!  Wouldn't we all Amiga 
-> users get exited if we just had an official word from Commod're 
-> letting us now when and what we can expect from OS 2.1 for example?
->   Wouldn't that actually benefit them?  But no, it is actually the 
-> oposite.  They just would not even admit that 2.1 exists.  Same 
-> thing for the HD drives and many other products.  All I know about 
-> these products are rumors and I am sick of them.
 
    Last weekend, a developper friend of mine told me that C= decided to
NOT release any version of WB 2.1. They'll wait for 3.0 before releasing
any new OS.

    My own theory about this is that they'll release a few new machines
in early 1993 with the fabled AA chipset and a beta-version (ROM on disk)
of WB 3.0. They _NEED_ WB 3.0 to use new features of the AA chipset, that's
why they won't waste their time with 2.1, which didn't bring that much
new things. Developpement of some products will suffer, because localisation
won't appear 'till 3.0, but on the other hand, I prefer to see that than a
stupid excuse from C= like "We just released WB 2.1, you'll wait till 94 before
3.0, be patient!".
 
    No flame please, I'm not under NDA and I can say anything I want. Anybody
wants to see developpers's info about WB 3.0? :-) Lot's of nice stuff in there..

    Seriously, I won't reveal that to anyone, but I'm pretty tired of C=
and it's policy of not saying anything until they release the real thing. It's
a pain for loyal users, and a lot of Amiga users are jumping ship in the
meantime...

	Marc

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From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: Amiga Future?! Compatibles?
Summary: It is possible. 
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:50:17 GMT

This is something I've discussed before... I got a few responses...
basicallyl, that the $$$ to prototype would run anywhere from $25,000
to $50,000 to $100,000.  That to get beyond the prototype stage would
be difficult.  That the major cost is the OS (not a worry, for a compat.).

So, is anyone serious?  

Thom

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From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: Games on consoles
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:42:23 GMT

I wonder how many of those "game consoles" are sitting in a corner, gathering
dust, because the owner grew tired of the six or seven games he had for it,
and balked at shelling out another $40 for a game he might not be sure he'd
enjoy, and would probably grow bored with quickly.  How many NESes are 
dead, buried, being sold at 90% discounts?  Who is to say that the 16
bit Genesis/SNES/whatever are likely to last any longer? 

There was a big boom in the early '80s, and they died... what is to prevent
the same thing from happening now?  And furthermore, I still don't under-
stand why the typical consumer would consider a SNES $200 cd-rom any more
attractive, because it's a CD-I.  Awareness of CD-I is nearly nil... and
the reviews I've seen of it are hardly laudatory.  You ask any serious
console player what s/he thinks of CD-I, and if you don't get a blank 
stare, you'll get a strangled laugh.

Thom
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:42:38 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

pswanson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Swanson) writes:

>20 years?  How about 1 year from now after President Clinton and the
>rest of the Democrats rewrite the history books just as the Republicans
>did 12 years ago.

  Yes, 20 years.

  History offers a perspective that you can't enjoy while you're still
experiencing the situation.

  Look back to this time in 1979, Carter was looking awfully bad, Reagan
looked like the solution.  A year or so into Ron's term he was looking
quite good.

  It's now a decade later and we're beginning to see that Carter wasn't that
bad after all and most of Reagan's policies have led us right down the tubes.

  In ten or twenty more years information will gradually leak out that confirms
this.

  -jack-
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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:03:42 GMT

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>hawk@pnet01.cts.com (John Anderson) writes:
>>However, none of these operating systems rival the power of Kickstart or    
>>OS/2. Kickstart compares very favorably to OS/2 in power.
>
>This is where I disagree.

Hah, and who is surprised...

-- Gerald
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From: blatter@amiga.physik.unizh.ch (Martin A. Blatter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: VM is obsolete Hee Hee Hee!
Date: 30 Jul 92 11:24:33 GMT
Organization: ICU - University of Zurich, Dept. of Comp. Sci.

In article <1992Jul27.141750.8396@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>   Besides, if VM is obsolte, then why are so many Amigaoids making such 
>a bit deal about it possibly finally becoming available through an 
>unsupported third-party hack?

Why are you always judging things you don't know anything about???
The product you're talking about is neither unsupported nor a hack
(well, it depends on the definition of `unsupported'. Anyway, the 
program integrates very well into the OS, it is transparent only to
those programs that have been configured as VM proof...)

You say that the virtual memory system for the Amiga is vaporware 
for you but at the same time you seem to know enough to qualify it 
as a hack... What a genius you are!

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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From: Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A message from the National Amiga PC haters Group..
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:39:34 GMT
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Tue 28 Jul 92  9:04, Dvan@pnet01.cts.com (david Vandeven
wrote:


 DV> A message from the National Amiga PC haters Group..

 DV> PC's SUCK!
 DV> Any questions?

  All PCs Suck? PC stands for Personal Computer. IBM PC stands for
International Business Machines Personal Computer. This means, of course,
that IBM makes that certain. But if PCs suck.. then I guess ALL PCs suck.
Ah well.. see you guys.. gonna toss ole Amy out the window.

 DV>     PRIMUS                              
 DV>      SUCKS!         

  What is this aversion to things that suck? 

Mike.. 

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UUCP.. yeah? So what?
From: robertk@taoami.lerctr.org (Robert Kesterson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmigaDroids will *never* change
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:59:44 CDT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Jul17.035252.7668@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
> Ah... lets test this out... one of you 3000 people... launch a dbase,
> a mod player, a word processor, a comm program, about a dozen real
> applications, and see what happens.
>
> And, some people may be unaware of it, but the construction of their
> motherboards and OS/2 prevents more than 16 megs being addressed, because
> of some wierd fluke in the design.
>
> Thom
>

So what's supposed to happen?  I do this all the time.  It is not at all uncommon for
me to have a DTP program printing, compiler compiling, editor editing, terminal program
downloading (at 14.4 KBaud, BTW), and all those 40 or 50 other tasks I normally run just
to boot my machine into the environment I like.  Works for me.  The system is still
amazingly responsive under a load such as this.

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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: Amiga Future?!?
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:03:12 GMT

Thomas Leavitt writes:
>Just curious... what was the MM/1?
 
The MM/1 is one of several 680x0 computers created a couple of years ago
for the personal and industrial OS-9 market.

Its dual board setup consists of a 16Mhz 68070 (68010-ish clone with MMU)
the Signetics VSC video chip mentioned in another posting (NTSC/PAL 16/256
colors/pixel from 16 million color palette), DMA hi-density floppy port,
DMA SCSI port, stereo DMAable 8-bit A/D/A ports (input & output), clock,
2 parallel ports, 5 serial ports (one is MIDI capable), SIMM sockets, etc.
Uses a PC keyboard, mouse, case.  Somewhere around $1000 in "kit" form.

Today, an 030 system could be designed to sell for about the same price,
and undoubtedly will be if the Falcon doesn't turn out to be a good deal.

>Isn't it cool?  All of us 1st generation non-IBM systems, just about,
>except for maybe the C64, have a proprietary clone upgrade... even the
>99/4A!  We have a 640k, 12mhz version compatible!
 
Yeah, and just recently, 6809 lovers found out that the Hitachi 6309 clone
has a hidden "native mode" which is faster, has more registers, and extends
the opcode set with neat operations (including 16x16 multiply, 32/16 divide,
block xfr).  If only the CoCo people had known about it five years ago!

best - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 article
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:45:24 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Jul28.153356.31500@infoserver.th-darmstadt.de> rb345@rbhp39.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Matthias Meixner) writes:
> >This is typed from the _AMIGA news_ newspaper, volume 1 no. 7.
> >
> >
> >			The A4000
> >		The Scoop on Commodore's Newest!
> >			 by Anon
> >
> >I've been chomping at the bit to speak out and right now I just don't care
> >about the non-disclosure agreement.  We have been beta-testing the A4000 and
> >another model which may be called the A1000 Classic, A800, or possibly some
> >other name.  ...
>
> This article already went through the network some months ago, and it was said to
> be a fake. Therefore better forget it, and wait for Commodore to officially
> release new amigas.
>

Better to switch to a different platform where you get decent support!

> Bye, Matthias

--
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Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:03:22 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

foax@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>
>The real reason that OS's running in 386 protected mode are known as 32-bit
>OS's is because SEGMENTS use 32-bit values for both length and offsets.
>In 286 protected mode, segments used 24-bit offsets (allowing the use of
>the entire 16 Mb of physical memory) and 16-bit lengths (so they still
>had to be less than 64 kb long).  In 386 protected mode, the offsets are
>32-bit (allowing a 4 Gb physical memory space) as are the lengths (so
>you can have 4 Gb segments!).
>

Minor correction: in a 386 segment descriptor, the "length" field occupies
only 20 bits, not 32.  There's a "granularity" bit which may be set to
indicate that the length value is in units of pages instead of bytes,
making the maximum segment size:

			2^20 * 4096B = 4GB

Also, what you call "offset" is usually called "base address".  The word
"offset" is usually associated with the offset part of a far address.

>
>--Colin Howell			email to howell@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu
>
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From: brianl@bluemoon.rn.com (Brian Lowry)
Subject: Re: FOR PETE'S SAKE CBM!Re: Upgrade Amiga OR buy 486??
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 13:02:58 EDT


        Well, I am truely upset by Commodores new Letter to Dealers.  I 
write this now because maybe you will see why there are fewer Dealerships 
and current ones being lost.  It reads:

        Dear Authorized Affiliate:

        During the past year the Affiliate Program has matured into a 
significant channel for the distribution of the Commodore Amiga product 
line.  In order to continue the momentum, several modifications have been 
initated:

                1) Affiliates will now be able to purchase Commodore 
                   product from any Commodore Distributor.

                2) All Affiliates will be assigned an ID# which must be 
                   when you order product from an Authorized Distributor.
 
Look at this -> 3) All Affiliates MUST place an opening order of $2500 and
                   retain sales of $20,000 annually/$5000 every calendar
                   quarter in order to remain active.

        Signed Geoffrey Stilley, VP Sales

----------

        Because we can now order from any distributor, this will produce 
competition between them (i.e. lower prices), a plus.

        But #3, with all the negative things said about the Amiga and 
Commodore, it becomes harder and harder to sell the Amiga line.  For the 
small business trying to enter the market, it will be practically 
impossible and with Amiga sales declining, the raising of hte quotta will 
drive out present Amiga Dealers.

        I listed all the points, good and bad, as not to put Commodore 
down too much.  Commodore does not treat their Affiliate Dealers well at 
all.  Will quottas and restrictions;  Commodore uses us, the dealers, to 
do their advertising.  They call it Co-op.  

        I'm not going to grip about Commodore too much.  But with their 
restriction of NO >500 MAIL-ORDER, it makes it kinda hard!

        Brian Lowry

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From: kevint@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Kevin Taddeucci)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:26:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Colors VS. Greys
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy


     I usually don't get into this advocacy stuff, but I can no longer
     resist, so here goes:
     
     C= uses bright colors for 1.3:                           PEOPLE BITCH!
     C= uses greys for 2.0:                                   PEOPLE BITCH!
     C= allows users to set any combination from 4096 colors: PEOPLE BITCH!
     
     Is there a pattern here?
     
     Personally I like the grey scheme, it allows a nice 3D look and is 
     easy on the eyes. If I want nice colors for presentations, I use a 
     custom screen or use the other 12 colors available on workbench 
     screens. 
     
     Bottom line:   WHAT'S TO BITCH ABOUT!
     
     
     How's that for my 1st (2nd?) advocacy post? (At least it's advocating.)            ----------------------------- ------------------------------------
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:45:35 GMT

In <haley.712303311@unixg.ubc.ca> haley@unixg.ubc.ca (Ross MacGregor) writes:

>In <1992Jul22.212801.6596@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:

>>That sounds like a good idea.. an 040/33 with 256k cache, AA and 8MB chip
>>memory. If not priced unreasonably that would be an item I would buy
>>at once.

>Wow, me too! Do you think it's too late for cbm.suggestions?

Yes, it's too late..

Regards,
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