HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: admiral@m-5.Eng.Sun.COM (Michael Limprecht @Sun Micro Mt View. )
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: education vs winning
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:44:31 GMT
Reply-To: admiral@m-5.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: m-5

In article 5734@doug.cae.wisc.edu, chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek) writes:
>Everyone in the activity WANTS to win.  Anyone with even a mild competitive
>streak in them, anyway.  It's up to the staff to try to keep things in 
>perspective and realize that the most important things are what you learn,
>the freinds you make, and the performances you give.  Entertainment and
>achievement generally go hand in hand.  Work hard, perform well, and all
>the rewards you need will come from within.  
>
>Drum corps is a great musical, social and personal learning experience.  It
>is also family for some members.  To see a kid from a broken home with a
>life going downhill come into a corps and leave with improved self esteem,
>social values, and a positve outlook on life must be a thrill for every
>director.  There are precious few activities that teach so much and offer
>such great experiences to young people.
>

Yea, it was all that. But when you got close... It reminds me of an old
Drum Corp T-shirt that was around for a while.

          It doesn't matter whether win or loose...
               till you loose.

It was a fun shirt, but in no way was it the point of being in Drum Corp.

Mick 

Old SCV
 
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Newsgroups: alt.toon-pics
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 10:55:39 -0400 
From: "Wayne P. Myers" <wm0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Gifs
	<1992Mar24.181530.21236@Cadence.COM>

When was this group moved to alt.binaries.pictures.misc, and Why????
Who was the person/persons who made the decision on this, and why wasn't
there a pole taken, before this decision was made!!!
I take exception to this type of backdoor move, you have alot of
subscribers who may not get to read this stuff every day, but expect to
find things in certain places. Then to our dismay/frustration find that
it has been arbitrarily moved. This is the sixth bboard, in as many
months, and it's never explained who the person/persons are who made
these decisions. Then the next thing we see, is some administrator
limiting, the amount of gifs that can be posted, because of the
increased volume of traffic. It makes more sense to me to have more than
one board, with low, or moderate traffic, than to have one that has so
much traffic, that if you miss reading/looking at it for one week, that
your so far behind that you'll never catch up. Some of us have real
jobs, and official type bboards that we must read, before we can read
those that we've subscribed to for pleasure, and we don't have time to
weed through the posts, for 60 other subjects/topics. THAT IS WHY, WE
HAD DIFFERENT BBOARDS FOR DIFFERENT SUBJECTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Wayne P. Myers
(Computer Operator II)
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From: john@111jn.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Nolin)
Subject: Re: Gifs
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:32:24 GMT

I agree!
Breathe life back into alt.toons.pics!
...and to get off on the right foot, someone post some Ren & Stimpy
Gifs.
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From: thomas@oils.ozy.dec.com (Hugh Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.pictures.misc,alt.toon-pics
Subject: Loony Tunes GIF reposts coming up...
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:47:04 GMT
Reply-To: thomas@oils.ozy.dec.com (Hugh Thomas)
Followup-To: alt.binaries.pictures.misc
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


The other day I saw a request for Marvin the Martian GIFs. It's been a while since I first posted my Loony Tunes GIFs so I'll repost them all for anyone who's missed out (including two of Marvin).

The follow GIF will be reposted:

  duckd1.gif   - Daffy "Duck Dodgers" Duck explains the routine to Planet X
  duckd2.gif   - Marvin and Daffy on the surface of Planet X 
  marvin.gif   - Marvin receiving ultimatum from Duck Dodger's messenger bullet
  tuxntail.gif - Buggs and Daffy on stage in top hats and canes  
  elmrsesn.gif - Buggs and Daffy in forest infront of "Elmer Season" poster

Hugh.
From: cutrell@nic.cerf.net (Doug Cutrell)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: DMAE, PABA and cancer
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:32:40 GMT
Organization: CERFnet

Joe Tucker's previous postings have raised the question of 
the safety of TwinLabs DMAE solution, in particular questioning
the safety of the PABA used to neutralize the DMAE base.  I am
not specifically a biochemist, but I do know that PABA is naturally
found in food, and is commonly available as a pure nutritional 
supplement.  I have seen bottles where the unit dosage (one tablet)
is one gram PABA!
 
I am somewhat familiar with the dangers of PABA when used as a 
topical sunscreen agent.  The danger here basically derives
from it's sunscreen properties themselves... the product soaks
up UV radiation efficiently, but is converted into a host of
carcinogenic compounds in the process.  Unfortunately, the same
is true for almost all other topical sunscreen agents.  Moreover,
PABA is found *naturally* on/in your skin and so these same
carcinogens are naturally found there anyway (although in lesser
amounts, to be sure).  I have heard that some people are also
sensitive to PABA and suffer skin reactions to it -- thus many
sunscreens now feature the label "PABA FREE".
 
In any case, no conclusions can be drawn from this regarding
internal use of PABA, since the carcinogens result from UV
exposure.  And the mere presence of a benzene ring
means nothing, since a huge amount of naturally occurring
substances in your body contain the benzene ring (e.g. the
essential amino acid phenylalanine).
 
I would be more concerned about breakdown products of DMAE
itself, since it is sure to be less well studied than PABA.  It
is certainly possible that the DMAE found in TwinLabs solution
suffers more on-shelf degradation into these products than the
DMAE bitartrate found in solid formulations, since many organic
compounds are less stable when in aqueous solution.
 
-------------
Doug Cutrell               cutrell@cerf.net
Open Mind Research

Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: kitsch@milton.u.washington.edu (Ted Fitch)
Subject: Ketamine?
Reply-To: kitsch@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:51:26 GMT

I was wondering what anyone on this newsgroup knew about Ketamine?

What are its effects, side-effects, etc.?

What dose is lethal?
How can it be ingested and how long does it take to take effect?

I was browsing through a fairly good bookstore today and I found nothing
too particular to Ketamine.  I haven't made it to the library yet,
but does anyone know some good references for ketamine?

Thanks!  You can respond via e-mail if you wish (kitsch@u.washington.edu)

Ted Fitch

Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Effects
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:50:17 GMT

ileicht@jarthur.claremont.edu (Spiff) writes:
>I was under the impression that MDMA was sort of like a cross between
>peyote and an amphetamine as far as effects go...

Not really.  Peyote doesn't have entactogenic qualities which is the major
effect of MDMA.  MDMA doesn't seem to have any (or very little) mescaline-
like activity, and only has some secondary amphetamine-like activity. 

>I thought the 
>amphetamine quality of the "trip" was from the amptheamine in
>the full name.

Not really.  There are substances that have "amphetamine" in the name which
have utterly zero activity in man.

>What in MDMA causes the amphetamine like effects? the same thing
>that causes them in LSD?  

Well, the stimulant effects of LSD aren't well understood last I heard.  The
amphetamine-like effects of MDMA, however, seem to be caused by a release
of dopamine.  Its likely that this is an amphetamine-like release.  And
it is likely that this has something to do with MDMAs chemical similarity
to amphetamine.  Don't draw too many concusions from this, however.

>Now I am going to ask a chemistry ignorant question: If MDMA
>doesn't have any ampethamines in it.. or is not an amphetamine..
>why does it have that in the name...

*chemcially* it is simlar to amphetamine.  Thus, it has "amphetamine"
in the name.  However, its activity is different than amphetamine, so
calling it an "amphetamine" is highly misleading.  And saying it
"has amphetamines in it" is really not appropriate since that would
imply a mixture of chemicals with amphetamines in it -- Pure MDMA
is not a mixture.  If you want to classify it, call it an entactogenic
phenethylamine.
 
-- 
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University of Washington, Seattle.    Disc: if UW ever finds out what I post... 
alt.drugs FTP site: milton.u.washington.edu[128.95.136.1] dir:/public/alt.drugs
               For quotes and other useless info see my .plan
From: bird@cedar.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Effects
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:49:35 GMT
Reply-To: BIRD%oak.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: The CIRCA Underground

In article <1992Apr05.090902.18387@ecst.csuchico.edu>, tyu@ecst.csuchico.edu (Thomas Yu) writes:
>In article <mystic.05yy@weird.miami.fl.us> mystic@weird.miami.fl.us (Victor Marrero) writes:
>>
>>        
>>What are the effects of LSD and MDMA on the body. I've heard that LSD
>>by itself has no after effects except occasional flashbacks

Actually, use of acid over extended periods of time can cause organic
dain bramage in some people. What kind or the extent of the damage I
really couldn't say.  That and the possibility of flashbacks are the
only long term effects of acid that I know of.

>My best
>trip was when I took 2 hits of liquid acid and put on my brain
>wave generator mind machine, (the goggle and headphone) If you
>look into meditation mags. they sell it through mail order.
>I have'nt tryed this but acid and floatation tanks go pretty
>well together.

Might i suggest a stobe light in a dark room - this is very intense at about
12-20 Hz.  You close your eyes and you can see all sorts of cool stuff. 
And strobe lights are far cheaper than those wave generation machines.

-bird
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                Internet: BIRD%maple.circa.ufl.edu
From: jtucker@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Joe T. Ucker       )
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Experience with Centrophenoxine and Piracetam
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:11:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.31733
Organization: University of California, San Diego

I've noticed this lack of "creativity" but don't necessarily
consider an adverse effect.  The effect is mild and I only 
experience after several weeks of usage at about 3200mg/day.
I AM a creative writer and am co-editor of a campus literary
journal.  This lack of "creativity" mostly means I am doing
more of what I should be doing (or thinking) and there are
less distractions and I spend more time on fewer tasks.  Occas-   
ionally I think, "Wow Joe, what a mean little lab rat you are!"
This lack of creativity mostly means I have higher "output" and
is matched by a greater confidence in what I do, not to mention
the other cognitive and physical effects...

--
===============================================================================
=    jtucker@sdcc13.ucsd.edu			Joseph A. Tucker..............=
=    "I'd like to talk to you.  You're very special to me.". .................=
===============================================================================
From: markg@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Mark Gay)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: DMAE-H3 from Twin Labs: Carcinogenic?
Date: 6 Apr 92 03:08:24 GMT
Organization: Portland State University, CS Dept.
In-reply-to: oleinick@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu's message of 2 Apr 92 18:57:20 GMT

The only negative thing that I've heard about the TwinLabs DMAE-H3 is that
it will go bad without refrigeration.  I don't know what is meant by "going
bad", and the label doesn't indicate that refrigeration is required, (it does
say to store in a cool dry place).

I've found that Source Natural's DMAE tablets are more convienent and they 
seem to be as just as effective.

In my opinion I think "Smart Drinks" are a marketing rip off.  If you want
to use this stuff buy it from good quality sources, if you want smart drinks
get a canister of gatoraid or koolaid and mix your own.

   --Mark
From: stevem@cs.utexas.edu (Steve Anthony Mariotti)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Piracetam/Hydergine + THC
Date: 8 Apr 1992 16:13:06 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu

I'm wondering about the possible interactions or cancellations when
combining Piracetam/Hydergine on a daily level with a periodic dose of THC.

Will the latter cancel out the effects of the former?

Will the two coexist happily?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Steve Mariotti
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Obtaining DMAE
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:52:31 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

Does anyone know where in Australia (pref. Sydney) DMAE or
"pyro-glutamic acid" (?) can be purchased?
If not, is there a way in which these could be imported easily?

I am asking this on behalf of a friend.
Please send replies to 
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au

Thanks in advance,
Jeremy
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: ileicht@jarthur.claremont.edu (Spiff)
Subject: Tequilla and Mesacalin
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:10:03 GMT

I am confused about the relationship between Mescalin the psychoactive
drug.

How is tequilla made?
How is ricea made?  (it is a psychoactive tequilla the indians on
  the southern tip of puerto vallarta make)
How are they related to peyote?
What is the difference between mezcal and mescal?


Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: Peter A. Cohen <peterco@eff.org>
Subject: Re: A Message from Psilocybin
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:50:13 GMT

In article  Jeff Carey, jeffc@microsoft.com writes:

[stuff deleted]

Is there any way of ingesting Psilocybin besides thru 'shrooms?  Are
there any artificial variations or refined forms that are available?
From: rigler@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Somme Mersault)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: PCA/DMAE/Ginkgo combo: Dosages, and Migraines
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:43:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr9.214352.22014
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii

In article <73334@netnews.upenn.edu> hodas@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Josh Hodas) writes:
>
> [PCA/DMAE/Ginkgo regimen and questions deleted]
>
>Also, I've suffered from frequent, serious migraines since age ten.
>Does anyone know whether any of the nootropics increase or decrease
>either the frequency or the severity of migraines?

I posted this question to this newsgroup about a month ago and have  
not gotten a response.  I too, have suffered serious migraines since 
about age ten.  (BTW: The medical community estimates that roughly 
10% of the general population has at least occasional migraines.)  
I discovered (during my high school years) that by removing cheeze 
from my diet, I could reduce the frequency of my attacks from about
one/week down to one/year.  Cheeze and certain other aged foods 
can contain migraine-triggering chemicals called tyramines (sp?),
which are related to chemicals secreted by the endocrine gland during 
stress.  I would definitely recommend that you (and other migraine
victims) experiment with cutting cheeze out of your diet as a first
step (BEFORE you mess with nootropics).

Now, back to the issue which has relevance to this newsgroup is: do 
nootropics increase/decrease migraine frequency/severity?  I have not 
taken nootropics yet; but I plan to begin experimenting with piracetam 
as soon as I can get my hands on some, and I am in an ideal position
to test the migraine issue.  I wrote to Interlab over one month ago
requesting (1) their catalog/order forms, and (2) general descriptive 
literature for their products, and (3) specifically any information 
they had regarding the relationship of their products and migraine 
headaches.

      To date, I have received no reply from Interlab.


--
 Rigler                         (So help me, Me!)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: ileicht@jarthur.claremont.edu (Spiff)
Subject: Re: Effects
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:37:15 GMT

> Not really.  Peyote doesn't have entactogenic qualities which is the major
> effect of MDMA.

> If you want to classify it, call it an entactogenic
> phenethylamine.

What is the nature of entactogenic phenethylamine. What other things
are classified as having entaactogenic qualities?

Thanks.
From: spm2d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Steven P. Miale)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Requesting information on piracetam, etc.
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:20:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Apr17.022019.3446
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department

I am currently taking choline, a formula called Ginkgola (sp),
(garlic, gingko, and ginseng) and some assorted formulas.
I have heard much about piracetam, but I am interested as
to its side effects and also its availability.
I'm also interested in any other nootropic people may have
information on. I will post a summary.

Thanks,

Steve
From: stevem@cs.utexas.edu (Steve Anthony Mariotti)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Tequilla and Mesacalin
Date: 7 Apr 1992 14:58:13 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Apr7.041003.6802@muddcs.claremont.edu> ileicht@jarthur.claremont.edu (Spiff) writes:
>I am confused about the relationship between Mescalin the psychoactive
>drug.

The way I understand it, peyote buttons contain naturally occuring mescaline,
a chemical very similar to LSD in effect.  Only the buttons (the flower bud)
of the cactus contains mescaline.

>How is tequilla made?


Fermented agave cactus, right?

>How is ricea made?  (it is a psychoactive tequilla the indians on
>  the southern tip of puerto vallarta make)

No idea.

>How are they related to peyote?

Maybethe indians throw some peyote buttons in with the cactus.

>What is the difference between mezcal and mescal?


Mezcal is basically tequila (often with a worm at the bottom of the bottle),
Mescal is used to refer to mescaline... the two aren't related.

Maybe someone else can help out on Mexican indian word origins here.. 

Steve Mariotti



Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: hodas@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Josh Hodas)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: PCA/DMAE/Ginkgo combo: Dosages, and Migraines
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:14:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


I've been using a combination of PCA/DMAE/Ginkgo for about three weeks now 
(I haven't yet gooten my hands on any of the prescription stuff yet)
and am wonderiong what peoples sense of optimum dosages are for a
combination like this. I started out taking 1000mg PCA and 305mg DMAE
2x/day. After a week or so I felt sharp, but wasn't sleeping as much
as I like to (although I could fall asleep and wake up wtghi no
trouble, I wasn't wanting to sllep more than four hours each night,
and I enjoy my time in bed).

So I cut back the PCA to 1000mg once a day, and upped the DMAE to
350mg 3x/day. I also started on the Ginkold extracts, 1 pill 3x/day.
I started sleeping more normally, but also felt decidedly less sharp.
Sooo...I cut back the DMAE to 350mg 2x/day, am keeping the PCA at
1000mg 1x day, and the Gingkold at 1x3.

It's hard to titrate this stuff given the synergy and the bell-shaped
response curve. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

BTW, I'm using the TwinLabs DMAE. The tablets are 350mg but the small
print says each provides only 130mg of DMAE itself. Should I consider
them as 130mg or 350mg for dosage purposes (maybe I'm not taking
enough). 

Also, I've suffered from frequent, serious migraines since age ten.
Does anyone know whether any of the nootropics increase or decrease
either the frequency or the severity of migraines?

Thanks a lot,

Steven Hodas
normally reachable at hhll@pdaxcess.techbook.com
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From: majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu (Salamander~)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Effects
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:21:51 GMT
Organization: UB

bird@cedar.circa.ufl.edu writes:

>Actually, use of acid over extended periods of time can cause organic
>dain bramage in some people. What kind or the extent of the damage I
>really couldn't say.  That and the possibility of flashbacks are the
>only long term effects of acid that I know of.

	Nope.  LSD has not been shown to cause physical damage of any
sort.  If you have references that say otherwise, I'd love to hear
about them.  Additionally, flashbacks are most likely a purely
psychological effect (similar to "reliving" some traumatic experience)
than anything physical.

-- 
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v061regm@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu | 	and the wise keep moving on...
Rev. M @P.O. Box 156     O    |-----------------------------------------
 Amherst, NY  14226      +    |Ask me about the Secret Society!  Shhhh!
From: gray@celia.UUCP (Steve Gray)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Deprenyl info wanted
Keywords: hemp, marijuana, prohibition
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:55:14 GMT
Reply-To: celia!gray@usc.edu (Steve Gray)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

Anyone have any info on Deprenyl?  I came across it in a catalog from
Pharmaceuticals International.  They claim it can have similar effects to
Prozac.  Ideas on safe dosages?  Is it contra-indicated in any cases?
Also, what is it really?  The name "Deprenyl" does not show up in any of the
indicies in a (1990) PDR.

Thanks!
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: oseiler@isis.cs.du.edu (Oliver Seiler)
Subject: Smart mixtures...
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 06:41:56 GMT


Hello y'all... Could anybody tell me good mixtures (ingredients and
proportions)
for some smart drinks? Preferably some using Choline and L-Phenylalinine...
at I need to know especially are proportions for other substances to
enhance
the effects of these, as well as the maximum amounts which are good
ingest...

Replies can be posted back here, or mailed directly to me at:
1899@rick.cs.ubc.ca

Thanx!

-Oliver.

Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: an056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gregory Winer)
Subject: Re: Experience with Centrophenoxine and Piracetam
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 21:16:09 GMT


Has anyone else had simalar experiences with Pirecetam reducing
creative impulses...I'm thinking of trying some of this myself, but would
find such side-effects undesirable.

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Deprenyl info wanted
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:00:46 GMT

Oh, and as far as deprenyl being similar to fluoxetine (Prozac),
I don't really know in what way you'd mean.  Prozac is an antidepressant
but isn't an MAO inhibitor.  Its pharmacology and side-effect profile
are quite different from deprenyl.

Neither drug has much value as a recreational drug--they're not
intrinsically pleasant or euphoriant.

-- 
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dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives