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From: gokhan@voyager.me.utexas.edu (Gokhan Usanmaz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 200 sx turbo
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:09:23 GMT
Reply-To: gokhan@voyager.me.utexas.edu (Gokhan Usanmaz)
Organization: Center for Space Research Imaging Lab, University of Texas at Austin
Originator: gokhan@magellan.ae.utexas.edu

Hi folks,

Two , three weeks ago ,I was planning to buy an 85 or 86 CRX so I send an E-mail
to share your past experience about the car.Thanx for your kind interest and 
help. I tried hard to find one but there wasn't any in Austin.It seems like
nobody wants to sell his/her CRX. Anyway, I finally gave up and bought a
Nissan 200 sx Turbo,85 model. The car is at 95K and it is fully loaded (digi-tal
,power everything, 5 speed etc.).
I have no clue about this babe, and I will appreciate any suggestions regarding
the maintenance.(Hoping your positive comments)
 
 Yours,                                                       Gokhan

 (Nothing special to put at the bottom part,sorry!)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: andrus@cs.uwp.edu (Bonnie Andrus)
Subject: Vibration of Toyota 4-Runner
Keywords: Toyota
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:57:07 GMT


I am being ripped off and I need some help.  For some time now my 1990 Toyota
4-Runner has been vibrating at the speed of 45 mph.  It has 25k miles on it. I
took it to Goodyear and had it aligned, tires balanced and rotated 3 months
ago without any results.  They told me my rear shocks were leaking and tried
to sell me some new ones.  I knew the shocks were still under warantee so I
took it to the Toyota dealer.  They said my shocks were fine.  Who do you
believe.  Well I believed the Toyota dealer and thought Goodyear was just
trying to sell me some shocks.  In June, while driving down the road the
4-Runner just stoped.  I had it towed to the dealer and after having it for
two days they found some wires in a harness that were defective.  Now not only
does it vibrate at 45 mph but when I put on the brakes.  So again I take it to
the Toyota dealer in hopes that this is under warantee.  They call me to tell
me that I need break pads and balancing.  I give them the go ahead.  They call
me back and tell me that they got the vibration out of the front but not the
back and that my rear shocks need to be cleaned.  Of course none of this is
waranteed because it is all maintenance.  I go to the dealer pay them $198.25
get in the 4-Runner, notice that my breaks just need a slight touch to work
however the vibration is stronger when I break, I am told that will go away
when the pads adjust to the rotor.  On the way home the 4-Runner starts to
vibrate when I hit the speed of 45.  I turn around and go right back to the
dealer.  The service manager takes a ride with me and doesn't notice the
vibration at first then finally admitts that there is one.  So I leave the
Toyota overnight once again.  Guess what they are going to do today.  They are
going to take the tires off of a new 4-Runner and switch them to see if thats
the cause.  When I asked them to check the bolts on the engine and
transmission they looked as me as to say (Don't tell us how to do our job you
don't know anything about this) which is true.  I am also female.  You can see
this sucker coming.  When I got home I looked over the bill and noticed that
they charged me twice for parts.  I couldn't believe it.  That I can take care
of but I need a lot of help before tonight when I pick up the Toyota.  I need
to be prepared and sound as if I know what I am talking about.  Can anybody
out there help me out with possible solutions or with correct mechanic
language.  I am really getting taken for a ride and I don't know how to deal
with this.

Thanks,

Bonnie      andrus@cs.UWP.EDU



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From: ELHAZIN@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Issa Elhazin)
Subject: Re: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL (SE-R & SC)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:53:40 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11


>> Saturn has only 2 years of history which is not enough in my book.  
>> Maybe I'll consider a Saturn after its 5th year of *good cars* and 
>> *good service*. Maybe...

>And maybe there will still be good jobs to be found in this country in 5
>years so that you can earn enough money to pay for your car. Maybe, just
>maybe....

> Why don't you consider investing in the
>future of America rather that look for every little excuse to send more
>money overseas.

>Just my $9400 worth (out-the door cost for my SL).

>Tom


Well, this is it. That's what I've been saying all along Tom [Saturn's are 
AMERICAN and that's MOSTLY why all the hype]. But is this the AMERICAN WAY, 
"THE RIGHT WAY"? And not the FITTEST/BEST survive as we are taught since we 
were kids? If you answered 'Yes' to the first question, against the Laws of 
nature, I wonder what would be the future of the Big 3 [America in general]. 
Very dim indeed. What would we be driving when other people's car don't even 
need roads..? Wouldn't we still be driving 70's style cars now? Competition 
is good, no doubt in my mind. We are already giving the big 3 too many breaks.

C/D [as well as others] have been carping at the big 3 for about 2 decades
(during times when one could HARDLY ever see an ad for a Japanese car.)
Now, when one American out of three -who deserted Detroit in search of 
higher levels of performance, reliability, quality, sophistication, function, 
and value. The ones who believed, and rightly so, that Toyota, Nissan, Honda, 
Mazda, and the other Japanese manufacturers could provide the biggest bang 
for the buck. GM and the other big 2 respond. As it has been said before, 
the Saturn is NOT the big break-through it is believed/hoped-to-be by the 
'freakin' media but it is a good start (it is a break-through for GM). 
I do like for the US to have a strong economy, I live here and it probably 
effects me more than most, but if you are far sighted hiding behind the 
flag is not the solution. I've driven a Saturn SL 3 days ago, not a bad car, 
but it did confirm what I knew all alone. It DID have worse brakes, worse 
engine and lower rear-seats (among other things) when compared with, say a 
Sentra E (I'm sure you could see it differently.)

I happen to own a Nissan that I'm totally in love to death with. Every time
I get behind it's wheel I feel as if I just won the lottery. I can never
wait until I can drive it again. No American car ever made me feel this
way including a 69 GT350 Mustang.

Arguing about this is like arguing who is better: Bush or Clinton.
If you want a car with more performance and more fun to drive pick 
the Sentra. But if you place MOST ANY WORTH on buying American, the
Saturn is made for you.

Just my 2 cents

Issa
From: fosterr@ucs.indiana.edu (Ray Foster)
Subject: Re: How to determine year of a car?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:43:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.201443.3410@crc.ricoh.com>, chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff Chilton) writes:
> 
> 
>    Aside from examining the car, the title or registration should have
>    the "date first sold" filled out.  Now, of course it could still be
>    a 19XY sold in 19XY+1, but isn't the model year also on the title and
>    registration?  Ask to see these first.
> 
> 

Also, every car sold in the US should have a plate on the driver's side door
which lists the date and place of manufacture (or at least final assembly)  
and (I think) the model year as well. It's usually next to the plate which 
lists recommended tire pressures.

Ray Foster
fosterr@ucs.indiana.edu
From: jss@greeble.Eng.Sun.COM (Josh Sirota)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: How to determine year of a car?
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:51:10 GMT
Reply-To: jss@greeble.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: greeble.eng.sun.com

In article 92Jul22171304@deepthought.unm.edu, synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim) writes:
>
>sachin@sdd.hp.com (Sachin Naik) writes:
>
>Sachin> I was wondering how to determine the year a car was
>Sachin> manufactured.  I was thinking of getting a 87-89 Integra and
>Sachin> if I get an 89, I want to make sure it's not an 87 or 88.  Is
>Sachin> there something on the car that tells you what year it is?
>
>Well, the Owner's Manual should proudly display the model year of the
>car.  Regarding the Integra, there are two different designs.  The
>first generation, 1986-1988, had retractable headlights; and the
>current generation, 1989-1992, has visible headlights, is wider, has
>a longer wheelbase, and is much more smooth in appearance than its
>boxier predecessor.  I can get into more minute differences between
>model years, so email me if the Owner's Manual course-of-action doesn't
>work out.

Or me, Synth's forgetting things in his old age :-)

The '86-'89 Integras are all pretty much the same.  The new generation cars started
in 1990.

The '86 and '87 have a different front bumper from the '88 and '89.  The '88 and '89
have wrap-around front turn signals in the bumper, and the earlier cars don't.  So
that's the easy way to tell an '88 from an '87.  The way to tell an '86 from an '87
is that the "DOHC" sticker on the '87s, right in front of the rear wheel wells, is
much smaller than the '86.  The '87s say simply "DOHC", while the '86s say it larger
and also say "Programmed Fuel Injection".

As for telling an '88 from an '89, there's no easy way, but looking at the owner's
manual in the glove box should be a good clue.  And you can always look at the right
digit of the VIN (but I'll have to go home and tell you which digit to look at).

Josh
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: CONSLT24@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin)
Subject: Re:         300Z vs. M3
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:25:19 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11


>Which car is better for the money and which has the better maintance
>record?

Value:              300Z
Maintenance record: 300Z

>I have been looking at 1990 and 1991 300Z and  1987 - 1988 BMW M3.
>I cannot decide, but should both have about the same performance?
>  Just delievered differently........

Short answer: Mostly yes.

Both the M3 and 300ZX(TT) are excellent cars. You can't go wrong with 
either. Drive both and see which leaves a better impression on you.

Issa

(P.S. Why don't you get a Saturn or a 1000SEL instead? :) )
From: blosser_cy@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: TO ERIC MIDDLE-AGED BLOOD...
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:31:50 EDT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

In article <1992Jul28.150450.3318@bnr.ca>, (Eric Youngblood) writes:

> Yeah! Go away, We dont want to play with you!
> 
> Ericy
> 
> P.S. Your mother dresses you funny.

Hey, you snot-nosed wimp, I would have been your father, except the wino in 
front of me had first dibs and besides...I didn't have change for a dollar.

Watch who you're talkin' to, you slime-sucking shitfaced pond scum. So what
if my dress code doesn't meet your standards...*you* got a funny name! 

Go play in traffic,

Kristoph
From: cmermag@smoke.brl.mil (Chris Mermagen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Supra and Vigor info.
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:36:54 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Laboratory, APG, MD.

>  lexus300 with 300 hp. Hmm, whats the LS400 going to do.

Well, supposedly the new lexus with the 280hp twin turbo
will be called the LS300, as opposed to ES300, which will
still be the same. The LS400 will go upscale I think in '95
if I remember reading it correctly. Minor modifications for '93,
but in '95, Lexus LS400 gets longer with bigger engine and bigger
overall car, to compete with upper echelon mercedes and bimmers.

Supra should be cool too: 280hp 6 sp. manual.

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From: nstern@cass.ma02.bull.com (Neil Stern)
Subject: Non-CFC A/C - What is the real scoop?
Organization: Bull World Wide Information Systems Inc.
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:24:42 GMT

Hi,

I'm looking to purchase a new car and I would like to know the
real scoop on auto a/c and CFC's. I have 3 basic questions:

1) For how long will CFC refrigerants be available, and affordable?

2) What cars are available today (or will be available for the '93 model
   year) that use non-CFC refrigerant?

3) Can a car that currently uses CFC refrigerant also use the new 
   non-CFC refrigerants, or is there a fundamental difference between
   the types of A/C units?  In other words, can one replace the 
   refrigerant with non-CFC refrigerant?

Thanks!

Neil Stern  (N.Stern@ma02.bull.com)


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (Shailendra Save)
Subject: Re: IT'S YOUR FAULT!
Organization: CDAC Bellevue, WA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:35:24 GMT

>In article <1992Jul23.174231.160@lrc.edu>, blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:
> You filthy money-grubbing, rich capitalist pigs driving fast sports cars and
>.
>.
>.
>etc..
>
>-- 

  Hey!  How come you can cross-post from rec.humor.funny into rec.autos!!!?
Go away, this is for car-talk only.

-S
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: New MBs
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:36:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.094917.4288@csus.edu>
aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (A. Alisson) writes:
>There should be a new 600 SEC coming to the U.S. this Fall.
	...
>I couldn't wait to see it in person even though....

I swear I've seen two of them already- one parked in front of the Cambridge
(MA) Marriott across the street from here, the other (this is heartbreaking)
driven at 60 mph hogging the left lane by some 18-year-old looking female who
was incompetenty two-handing it, and it was obviously too much car, as she
almost crashed it *twice* just trying to change lanes. I guess daddy was out
of town that week.

	-Kenny
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From: SXS144@psuvm.psu.edu (** subramanian sivaramakrishnan **)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Novice question re. 5-speed
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:01:11 GMT
Organization: Penn State University
Supersedes: <92203.234944SXS144@psuvm.psu.edu>


I just bought a 85 Mazda GLC with a 5 spd. transmission. The
problem is that in the town where I live, most streets have
a speed limit of either 25 or 35 mph, and a zillion cops as
well. So, I never get to go fast enough for 5th gear and
4th is the highest I have to drive at. Is this bad for the
engine ?  Are 5-spd. cars designed to go reasonably long
distances on the 4th gear ?  Any info. on this will be
appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

subbu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hamilton@brahms.udel.edu (Andrew W Hamilton)
Subject: Pirelli P500 opinions sought
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:03:29 GMT

I am thinking of buying a set of P500s for my BMW 318i.  The most important
point for me is that they perform well in the snow.  I don't have the time or
money to change to snow tires every winter.  The other tires I have been
considering are Yokohama A378s, but every dealer I've spoken to says they are
not as good as the Pirellis in snow.  Any opinions on these tires?  Also, if
there are any other good tires in this price range, I'd like to hear about them.

Thanks for any replies (email preferred).

J. P. Grenert
hamilton@brahms.udel.edu
or grenert@harvey.mayo.edu
 
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From: mdgerha@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (EA Gerhardt michael d)
Subject: Info on electric cars
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 01:18:57 GMT

Recently Maryland passed laws requiring people to carpool
or use mass transit or be fines and/or fired. This goes into
effect in 1995. (I may not have this totally correct but I
think it is close).  I do not want to use these options so I
am looking for info on electric cars, anything is appreciated.

			Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rcg1597@zeus.tamu.edu (GUYNN, RICHARD CARL)
Subject: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:34:00 GMT

In article <92205.194311NAZ@auvm.american.edu>, Naz Reyes <NAZ@auvm.american.edu> writes...
>You mean, how long has GM been screwing things up? :-)  Oh, too long
>to really tell :-)  I haven't heard anything great about GM since
>the late seventies :)

	I hav to agree with you on this one.  I really like the Saturn, as a 
company and a car.  I have done very deep research into the company and its 
product (I was thinking about trying to get a job with them).  But,  GM (and the 
other two) really were the epitome of idiocy through the 70's and early 80's.  
While they still have not caught up completely with all of their lines, many of 
their cars today are on par with the Japanese.

	I would also like to make a comment about something evryone seems to be 
unaware of.  Saturn IS a subsidiary of GM, BUT the company was given free reign 
when it formed.  It was purposely allowed to build its own company from the 
ground up so that the approach would be new and different.  Therefore I can't 
really see why alot of people are judging Saturn by GM standards.  I think they 
should be judged as exactly what they are- a brand-new car company.

> 
>>Which cars has Nissan made that are "classic and reliable ? The sleek
>>B210? The stylish 310 ? The rust-bucket 240-60-80 ? Some Nissans have

	Actually, the 240Zs and 260Zs are starting to be considered as classic 
sports cars, despite the rust.  Besides, there are very few ols classic sports 
cars that don't have some rust problems.


>Apparently, you haven't been keeping up with today's cars.  Have you
>heard of the Nissan Maxima or the 300ZX or the Sentra SE-R or...???
>All cars have gained wide-acclaim from car enthusiasts all around
>the world from the 80's until the present.

	Although the 300Z is a very nice vehicle, albeit an expensive one to fix 
when it becomes necessary, it will be some years before it can join its 
brethren in being considered a classic.  As for the Maxima--- Idon't think so.  
Nice car but definitely not classic material.  SE-R -- same story.

-Rick
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From: raguin@joker.optics.rochester.edu (Daniel Raguin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Ford Probe
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:44:13 GMT
Distribution: rec.autos
Organization: The Institute of Optics, University of Rochester


I've been looking at a bunch of cars as possible ones to buy shortly
and the Probe ranks high on the list (the cars I've been looking at
are used cars about two or three years old).  My question regarding
the Probe is specific to the 1990 year.  In that year (I believe it's
the same for 1991 and 1992), the Probe could come in a V-6, 4
cylinder, and as a turbo 4.  Regarding the turbo 4, what fuel does it
require?  I talked to two dealers and one said that it runs on regular
87 octane, another said it could run on 87 because of knock sensors
but that it would probably run better with a higher octane, and then
one owner of a Probe I talked to said that he thought the minimum
octane rating was 89, but that he was putting 93 in his all the time.
Who's right?  Also if the turbo requires more expensive fuel is there
any reason to get it over the V6?  Mind you, the car will be equipped
with an auto tranny (no flames please--the mrs. has been driving a
manual to and from work each day (downtown traffic) and after a year
or so of that wants an automatic).

Thanks for your input.

Dan


P.S.  I've driven the Turbo and didn't see any label on the dash
saying anything about premium fuel, though I forgot to check the gas
cap itself.
From: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: rear lap/shoulder bel
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:00:01 EST
Reply-To: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

press release from the Institute for Injury Reduction

Injury Victims from 11 States Will Participate in Rally for Rear
Lap-Shoulder Belts
 To: Assignment Desk
 Contact: Cindy Raffles of the Institute for Injury Reduction,
          301-249-0090

   WASHINGTON, July 22 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Victims of lap-belt
injuries from at least 12 states will be participating Friday,
July 24, in a "Rally to Promote Rear Lap-Shoulder Belts" to
be held at the Omni Shoreham Hotel by three safety organizations.
   Their goal: stopping up to 6,000 car-crash deaths and injuries
a year by retrofitting all cars with rear lap-shoulder belts.
   California, Arizona, Texas, Maryland, Pennsylvania, New York,
North Carolina, Kentucky, Virginia, Wisconsin, and Florida will be
represented at the rally by people injured by lap-only belts,
survivors and loved ones, or photos and injury information about
those unable to attend.
   The Rally to Promote Rear Lap-Shoulder Belts is being held to
promote retrofitting of millions of existing cars with rear lap-
shoulder belts -- a move which could eliminate or reduce up to
6,000 deaths and injuries in car crashes every year, many of them
involving children, according to a National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration Report to Congress.  Car companies and the
government have said that consumers are unaware or uninterested in
retrofit rear lap-shoulder belts.
   Promotion of rear lap-shoulder belts got a boost earlier this
month in California when the Senate Transportation Committee
favorably reported legislation requiring consumer warning labels on
all used cars sold without rear lap-shoulder belts.  Similar
legislation passed the California Assembly last year.
   The Rally to Promote Rear Lap-Shoulder Belts is being sponsored
by the Institute for Injury Reduction, the National Rehabilitation
Center, and VIGOR (Victims Groups Opposed to Unsafe Restraints).
   On behalf of auto companies, the American Coalition for Traffic
Safety has accepted an invitation to attend and present information
about rear retrofit lap-shoulder belt systems.
   For further information, contact Cindy Raffles at 301-249-0090.
 -30-
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: (Eric Youngblood)
Subject: Re: IT'S YOUR FAULT!
Reply-To: Peon w/o Email priv (Eric Youngblood)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:04:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.223524.18721@ole.cdac.com>, ssave@ole.cdac.com (Shailendra Save) writes:
|> >In article <1992Jul23.174231.160@lrc.edu>, blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:
|> > You filthy money-grubbing, rich capitalist pigs driving fast sports cars and
|> >.
|> >.
|> >.
|> >etc..
|> >
|> >-- 
|> 
|>   Hey!  How come you can cross-post from rec.humor.funny into rec.autos!!!?
|> Go away, this is for car-talk only.
|> 
|> -S

Yeah! Go away, We dont want to play with you!

Ericy

P.S. Your mother dresses you funny.