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From: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Cruella Deville
Date: 21 Nov 1992 02:00:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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As for the Deville-Devil association, in the movie, Perdita calls her
a "devil-woman" all the time.  The connection's pretty clear, I think.
Linda
-- 
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding"
					--Proverbs 3:5
"Aw, Mom, you act like I'm not even wearing a bungie cord!"--Calvin
"It's barbaric, but hey, it's home"--"Arabian Nights" from --Aladdin--
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:38:06 EST
From: <RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: any original Disney movies?

I've been learning just recently that a lot of the Disney Cartoon Movies which
I thought were original stories are actually retellings:

The Little Mermaid, originally by some mangaish story?
Beauty and the Beast
101 Dalmations
The Rescuers too?

I'm not too positive on all of these but if this is so, how can Disney put so m
any trademarks on characters which are not necessarily theirs'?

Can anyone make a more definite list of their rehashing of old stories? (Not th
at I don't like the movies of course).
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From: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.disney,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Sanitizing Fantasia (was: Latest rumors)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 01:44:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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The happy ending to Cinderella was actually first done by Charles Perrault, 
who wrote the French version of the tale upon which Disney based his movie.
In this version, Cinderella, being ever so sweet and good (gag) forgives
the stepsisters for their misdeeds, and has them married off to courtiers 
on the very same day that Cinderella marries the Prince.  This is the version
that uses the fairy godmother as well.  In the Grimm Bros. version, Cinderella
goes to a tree at her mother's grave, and a little bird tells her to ask for
a gown to go to the ball (no carraige here, although there is one in Perrault's
version).  Cinderella asks for a ballgown, and one is dropped down to her 
from the branches of the tree.  The Perrault version was published in the 
1600s, making in one of the earliest, if not the earliest, recorded versions
with a happy ending.  
Incidentally, Charles Perrault published his fairy tales as "Tales of Mother
Goose."
(with a pseudonym like that, you have to be a bit sugary, I guess.) :-)
Linda
-- 
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding"
					--Proverbs 3:5
"Aw, Mom, you act like I'm not even wearing a bungie cord!"--Calvin
"It's barbaric, but hey, it's home"--"Arabian Nights" from --Aladdin--
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From: robert@world.std.com (Robert Sadowski)
Subject: Re: Tiny Toons Production Cels
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:48:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.235638.13327@ultb.isc.rit.edu> entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>	I have commented here earlier on Disney's genius at making
>money.  The guy who invented the cel collection market takes second
>place.

The cel collection market is capitalism, pure and simple. Disney priced
cels to sell at Disneyworld for under a dollar when they were first offered.
The Courvosier galleries charged under $100 for Disney cels in an 'art'
medium. Cels, by all accounts were a flop as 'art' until people started
to decide that they were a neat nostalgic thing to have. Sure, now the 
cel market is inflated, but the market reflects the prices people are 
willing to pay. Disney charges anywhere from $1500 to $2500 for a limited
edition release that is nothing more than the hand-painted Xerox drawing
that you speak of. But when it sells out in a week (as did the last Beauty &
the Beast scene (edition size 250) they offered) who can blame them ? 

--
Robert Sadowski
robert@world.std.com
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: TBLT, and Twice Upon a Time..
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:26:20 GMT
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex

In article <1992Nov13.183554.2705@bvc.edu> johnsonchris@bvc.edu writes:
>I am a realtively new user of this group.  I have been reading it for about 
>3 months, but have been relatively inconspicuous (I am watching you, 
>moo-hahahahaha..)  Anyhow, I have a few queries:

I had the feeling I was being watched...

>1.)  Since I am a relative newcomer, I probably missed the posts about it, 
>but are there any other people who were suprised at how good The Brave 
>Little Toaster was?  It was pretty obscure, pretty much glazed over by 
>Disney for other "Bigger Name" products, but I thought it was a real gem.  
>Only wish I owned a copy (I'm sure their pretty cheap, anyhow.)  I remember 
>reading an article about it a few years back in ANIMATION magazine, and I 
>thought it sounded pretty lame.  I was plesantly suprised.

I really enjoyed it.  You can get it for cheap at your local Suncoast or
whatever music/video store you can find...

>2.)  Anyone know where I can get my grubby hands on a copy of the older 
>(well, early 80's) animation/movie "Twice Upon a Time?"  I remember seeing 
>it on HBO a looooong time ago, and thought it was relatively humorous.  
>Anyone else seen this?

You can get it from the Whole Toon Catalog.  However, I remember someone
mentioning that the video edition is a bit cleaner than the HBO one...
I haven't been able to confirm it, however.


-- 
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From: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Belle's Character (was Re: Sanitizing Fantasia)
Date: 21 Nov 1992 02:31:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I'd say Belle was--oh, what's the word, I'm looking for?  Human?  Yeah,
something like that.  Come on, how many people in this world (or any other
one, animated or otherwise) do that much more than respond to the events
around them?  Luke Skywalker would have stayed a farmer on that desert
planet if the Empire hadn't killed his aunt and uncle.  Bruce Wayne would
never have donned the funky costume if his parents hadn't been murdered.
Robin Hood wouldn't have stole from the rich to give to the poor if the
Normans hadn't been so oppressive (Erol Flynn version), or his father hadn't
been killed by the Sherrif & accused of witchcraft (Kevin Costner version).
Belle is just as strong a character as a lot of "Hero" types, who also 
react to their situations.  Keep these things in mind:  (1) Belle is a young
woman living in what looks like 18th century provincial France--not really
a time or place for a woman to show initiative and dynamic personality--
look at everyone's opinion of her intellect to see how just trying to be
a little bit educated was seen in a womam.  (2) Belle agreed to take her
father's place with the Beast.  What did she know about him?  This "thing"
didn't care that Maurice was sick, maybe dying.  "It" looked like nothing
she'd ever seen, and the way she met "it" was kind of violent (like 
practically flinging her across the room).  For all she knew, "it" was 
going to kill her.  (3) Beast had been nothing but mean to her, yet, when
she had her chance to escape, after he passed out following the wolf fight,
she stayed with him and went back to the castle with him.  That shows a 
pretty strong sense of character.  A weak character would run and not look
back, but Belle had enough sense of decency to "do the right thing" as it
were.  These are just a few examples of Belle's strength, not going into
her having a mature enough sense to be herself despite all the pressure to 
conform, her ability to stand up to the whole town whipped into a fanatic
mob by Gaston, and the courage to get to the castle as quickly as possible
despite the townsfolk, to try to help the Beast.  Belle is without a doubt
one of the strongest characters Disney has ever made.  Just because she's
human and needs some help once in a while doesn't make her weak.
Linda
-- 
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding"
					--Proverbs 3:5
"Aw, Mom, you act like I'm not even wearing a bungie cord!"--Calvin
"It's barbaric, but hey, it's home"--"Arabian Nights" from --Aladdin--
From: msr@kepler.unh.edu (Reno no BAKA)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: In BMTAS
Date: 17 Nov 1992 01:26:21 GMT
Organization: None what-so-ever
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In article <BxtuFK.AsH@max.physics.sunysb.edu> jpenney@delta.mathlab.sunysb.edu (Janet Penney) writes:
>In article <empire.67.721789662@dorm.rutgers.edu> empire@dorm.rutgers.edu (Michael Kraft) writes:
>>I know Mark Hamill is the Joker, but what else did Mark Hamill do. His name 
>>sounds very familiar but I can't place the face.
>
>By the way, is it true about the accident he had between the 3 films?
>
>(and just to make it relevant to the group, does anyone remember the star wars
>series of cartoons, the ewoks and c-3po/r2d2 ?)
>
>Janet (Jpenney@ccmail.sunysb.edu)

I remember it. C3P0 and R2 were in a show called Droids, which was not half bad.
At least I thought it was far better then Ewoks. I liked the prospecting, 
trader, thief, Han Solo type guy from Droids. But it's been years since I've
seen any of these. I did see an episode for sale at a department store. 
BTW, didn't some people die in Droids, or am I just remembering the wrong
show? Probably the latter.
--Matt
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or the one I never use MSR_CS611@unhh.unh.edu
or the new one M_RENO@unhh.unh.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:13:03 EST
From: <RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Cruella Deville

Does anyone know the lyrics to the song "Cruella Deville".

And does anyone else have any thoughts on the name of the baddie in this movie
which really sounds like Cruel Devil to me.

Isn't that a pretty harsh play on words?
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From: rmrohre@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Randile the Reptile)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,comp.graphics.animation
Subject: Re: ANIMATION: anybody here actually animate?
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:21:06 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <ddebry.722227157@itchy> Dave DeBry <ddebry@dsd.es.com> writes:
>In <1992Nov19.222212.6821@sol.UVic.CA> aramsey@ugly.UVic.CA (Aaron  Ramsey) writes:
>

[stuff deleted]

>	One of the best books I've read on BOTH the art and technique
>of animation is called (I think) "Disney Animation: The Illusion Of
>Life" (Thomas, Frank and Johnston, Ollie.  Abbeyville Press, New York,
>1981).  It's in the bibliography of almost every paper I've seen
>written on animation (be it cel, clay, computer, etc...).  It's an

[stuff deleted]

>	I'd suggest buying it EXCEPT for the fact that the price is so
>high.  If it were even down around the price of college textbooks...
>well, if I have to say "down" to get to those outrageous prices, you
>can guess about this one.  :-\  I'd suggest checking a college
>library... you may get lucky.
>
[stuff deleted]
>--
>Dave  ddebry@ debry@   \ 


	So approximately how much is this gem?
I've been meaning to look for it myself.




-- 
Randy Rohrer		   	&&   The George Washington University
rmrohre@afterlife.ncsc.mil           Depratment of EE&CS
                          	     rohrer@seas.gwu.edu
From: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Saban's Little Mermaid movie
Date: 17 Nov 1992 02:02:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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According to my version of The Little Mermaid as written by H.C.Andersen,
the mermaid did not totally die at the end.  The version I have in my 
Andersen collection says that she turned into a "child of the air" or 
something like that, and that in 300 years (or a long time, anyway) she
could earn herself a soul.  The idea was that mermaids are born without
a soul, but they live for 300 years, after which they are turned into 
sea foam.  Humans, on the other hand, live for a short time, but they
have an immortal soul, so they never die completely, 'cause their soul
lives on.  The little mermaid decided she would rather have a soul, so 
she asked her grandmother how to get one, and the old merwoman said a 
mermaid could only get one if a human loved her enough to share his with
her.  Then came the part about saving & falling in love with the prince, 
becoming human, and losing him to the other woman.  When she refused to
kill the prince, the mermaid jumped into the sea, but she felt herself
rise up into the air, where the other "children of the air" told her that,
because she was good and tried so hard to get a soul, she had a chance to
earn one.  The idea was that in 300 years, she could get one, but if she
flew through a house where a child was crying, x amount of years would be
added on to the time, and if she flew through a house where a child was
happy, x amount of years would be taken off the time.  So, since the mermaid
originally wanted a soul and the prince was just a mean to that end, the
ending wasn't really sad, cause she got what she wanted in the end.  
Theoretically, that is.  It's still very sad in my opinion, cause it would
have been nice for her to get her soul through the prince, but oh well.  I
didn't write it.  This version is a really good illustration of the use
of fairy tales to educate children in behavior--who want's to cry and be
responsible for the mermaid having to wait longer for a soul?  Anyway, that's
how my version goes, approximately.
Linda
the fairy tale woman
-- 
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding"
					--Proverbs 3:5
"Aw, Mom, you act like I'm not even wearing a bungie cord!"--Calvin
"It's barbaric, but hey, it's home"--"Arabian Nights" from --Aladdin--
Organization: Junior, IM - H&SS Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:29:12 -0500 
From: "Eric M. Davis" <ed0z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Animated CATS movie?

Last I heard (or read actually - The NY Times Sunday with Aladdin on
cover) Speilberg's Amblimation was still in pre-production. I know they
have the option, but I'm not sure they'll follow through in production.

                                               So anyways.......
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,alt.tv.tiny-toon
From: bellaire@cs.tulane.edu (TV's Steve)
Subject: Tiny Toons Production Cels
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-5883]: amor
Organization: Gizmonic Institute
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:10:06 GMT


	I went to the opening of the Waners Bros. Studio store today, and saw 
production cels from TT.  They were priced at $350 apiece, and they had some 
good poses.  I was wondering if anyone can comment on the prices and if there 
are other sources of these cels, other than Warner Bros., that is.  They also 
had Batman the Animated Series cels at the same price.  These cels are framed, 
most with photo backgrounds.  

	I am seriously considering accquiring some of these and would 
appreciate comments from the Net.  Thanks


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Subject: Re: Gi Joe/Transformers Crossover, guest appearance
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:06:43 GMT

In article <1emcmeINN113@aludra.usc.edu> rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung) writes:
>In article <kennehra.722379553@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan) writes:
>>Hi.  Does anyone remember the name of the episode where Cobra commander
>>made a special guest appearance on "The Transformers?"
>
>  Yup. Holy inside jokes, Batman.  B-)
>
>  The episode in question was "Only Human", and was one of the third (fourth?)
>season episodes. Released after the TRANSFORMERS movie, y'know. Also one of the
>few episodes in that season with good animation -- the quality dropped like
>mad after the movie, I think Marvel switched to Akom(?) for much of the work
>there...
>
>  And remember, he wasn't _really_ Cobra Commander. At least, not directly
>called as such. Just call him "Snake"...
>
I believe it was MR. Snake.....show some respect!  :-------)



-- 

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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: BTAS: "If You're So Smart, Why Aren't You Rich?" (Riddler)
Keywords: Riddler
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:14:18 GMT


Well, that game might have been state of the art... about 15 years
ago.  Interesting how the Batcomputer apparently has a DOS emulator.
-- 
Money DOES talk - it says goodbye.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan)
Subject: Re: Gi Joe/Transformers Crossover, guest appearance
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:26:01 GMT



Wait....wasnt "Mr.Snake" wearing a platinum silver mask just like the 
REAL cobra commander did?  By the way, how did cobra commander come
back to life after the GI Joe movie that had Nemises Enforcer in it?
(Nemesis is THE BADDEST bad animated bad guy I have ever seen BTW)
I remember seeing a big green hulking guy that had Cobra commander's
voice about a year ago.  The animation was pretty bad, though.
What happened????

- Rich
  kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu

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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: BTAS: Heart Of Steel
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:58:20 GMT

Actually, I figure Cybertron was as much a Transformers reference as a 
Terminator one.  After all, we have those Dustbinocons and other transforming 
bots.  (Note to the trivia-deprived:  Cybertron is the homeworld of the 
Transformers)
     Nice to see Babs pull an active role *without* becoming Batgirl yet.  Let 
that wait a while longer, eh?
     Dave Van Domelen, "Hi, I'm J.F. Sebastian and this is my replicant Daryl 
and this is my other replicant Dayrl..."
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: BTAS: Vertigo / Intro to Ra's 'N Talia
Date: 24 Nov 92 03:10:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Ohio State University

Not amnesia gas, gas that "destroyed their memories".  Subtle but telling 
difference.  After all, if you have amnesia, A: you may one day get better, B: 
you retain things like language skills etc.  Amnesia makes life hard, but 
doesn't make it impossible.
     With their memories destroyed, they're as good as dead, as individuals.  
The identities that once had are *dead*.  They have the knowledge base of 
newborns without the learning capability.  They'll never be the same again.  In
fact, if the memory was physically destroyed, they just lost the *ability* to 
remember.  WAY crueler than death.  They're perma-vegged.
     Gee, we now have (Count) Vertigo and Poison Ivy...Suicide Squad anyone?
          Dave, my tires are so old they're bronze-belted radials...
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From: jtinkle@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (j. tinkle )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.disney,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Captain, 101 Dalmatians  (was: Re: Thurl Ravenscroft)
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:45:21 GMT
Organization: California State University, Bakersfield

Captain is the horse that lives in the barn with Sgt. Tibbs and the Colonel.
Go figure.  The animals are all owned by a former member of the Queen's Royal
Lancers, which you can see if you look quickly and stare hard enough at the
wood arch above the man's farm when it is first shown.

This really surprised me, and I almost question it, since I was certain that
because of the deep tones of Captain's voice that a black man had done the
voice.
Jennifer, proud originator of the "President Clinton" thread on alt.rush-l.
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: BTAS: HEART OF STEEL, pt. 2
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:36:52 GMT

btribble@terapin.com (Bobby Tribble) writes:
>Hm, and what is with the Tiny Toon Comic Books that I've seen a couple of times
>on BTAS?

A lot of TIny Toon people are working on BTAS.  Tom Rueger and Paul
Dini come to mind immediately.  So it's not surprising.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: opcarr@netcom.com (Onny Carr)
Subject: Re: BTAS: "If You're So Smart, Why Aren't You Rich?" (Riddler)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:38:46 GMT

moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) writes:
: Dear God, your greatest nightmares realized: The Lucky Charms Leprechaun
: come to life! :-)  (Gee, they even appeared to be animated in the same way.
: BTW, has Blue Pencil (was that the name?) animated any other BTAS episodes?
: I thought this pretty good.)

Not I.  Robin was his usual irritating self, and the animation was
mediocre.  The Riddler has potential, I thought.  He looks a lot like
the Clock King in Spring attire.

But the animation, I was almost sure AKOM was on the job, judging
from the poor quality.  Speaking of AKOM, I'm not looking forward
to today's Joker episode.  It almost seems like Fox handed over all
Joker episodes to AKOM for animation.

-opc-

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From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: any original Disney movies?
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:13:27 GMT

In article <92326.133806RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu>, <RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I've been learning just recently that a lot of the Disney Cartoon Movies which
>I thought were original stories are actually retellings:
>
>The Little Mermaid, originally by some mangaish story?
>Beauty and the Beast
>101 Dalmations
>The Rescuers too?
>
>I'm not too positive on all of these but if this is so, how can Disney put so m
>any trademarks on characters which are not necessarily theirs'?
>
>Can anyone make a more definite list of their rehashing of old stories? (Not th
>at I don't like the movies of course).

Lady and the Tramp is the only original screenplay for a Disney animated
film; all the rest are adaptations or reteeling of existing stories.

Disney anecdote: Because of the weirdness of the old copyright laws,
Mary Poppins was in the public domain in the U.S.  Disney didn't
have to pay the author anything for the screen rights.  But out
of the blackness of his heart he voluntarily gave her the munificent
sum of $5,000.  

Erik Timmerman
Film/Video Department
RIT

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