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From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: Tori bloody Amos
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:52:42 GMT

In article <29901@castle.ed.ac.uk> moragw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Alloy Serving Woman) writes:
>
> OK, I give in, first thing tomorrow I'm going to the nearest Virgin to
>see if they've heard of this Tori Amos person and have a listen to
>whatever album they recommend.  An honest opinion will be forthcoming. 
>I wonder if she's suitable for my collection?  If this woman turns out
>to be some white high heeled wee bint then I'll be most miffed.  mutter

Nope.  A little more sincere and ernest than that.

>mutter..  It takes Industrial music to cleanse the ol' heart after a
>festive visit to the parents, lie on the floor and feel it vibrate and
>pound through my entire body, mmm.
>
Yes, yes yes yes yes.  How about Die Warzau or Front 242? yes yes.
Ministry or new Nine inch nails are most effective.
On the topic of vibrating and pounding through one's entire body I can
think of another stress reliever. ;)

>                                                           Mo
>                                    


-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    or    dilmore@che.udel.edu 
   Deconstruct your Gender          Safe sex doesn't mean no sex.          
Give me life, Give me pain,         It just means use your imagination. 
Give me myself again.  Tori Amos.            Billy Bragg 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (James Carroll)
Subject: Re: Daoism, Pooh, and Bisexuals
Organization: University of Delaware Alumni
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:59:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.182051.9144@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker) writes:
>
>The T****s?  Well, the important thing is to get Leela to help.  A few
>taps with the sonic screwdriver should be useful.
>
>
>No need to be jealous of Jon, just cos he's a Timelord, Gus.
>
>				Kay
>-- 
>the Crisco Kid: quiet, shy, mono, Armani-suited.  Not.  idx009@uk.ac.cov.cck

Jethro Tull AND Doctor Who!  Now I'm really in love with this man!

-James

-- 
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I don't mind all the things they say about you	   |  brahms.udel.edu	 \/
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From: mpon@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Malcolm Pon)
Subject: Re: Bisexu-l information wanted
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:53:40 GMT

I'm subscribed to Bisexu-L now, and I have to say that it's more like
80-100 messages per day... at least when we're talking about non-holiday
situations.  Not that it isn't worth it, mind you, but don't forget to
"go nomail" (set the list to non-distribution to you) when you have to
go away for a few days, or you may find your spooler choking on the
volume.

Good luck anywho.

Malkie
-- 
                                                      ____
 - Malcolm Pon                                        \ _/__
Internet: mpon@gmuvax2.gmu.edu    GEnie: ETERNITY      \\  /
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From: kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker)
Subject: Re: Purity
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:54:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.170050.4120@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:

>bin for _everyone_, despite how you try to get out.  You really and
>truly can't win against an anal-compulsive sorting disorder.

People can be sorted into two bins: people who can be sorted into
two bins, and those who can't.

I think I'm one of the latter.

	Kay (posting from here cos news 'at home' is stuffed)
-- 
the Crisco Kid: nasty pinko faggot agnostic pervert punk.  idx009@uk.ac.cov.cck
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Blatant hug request
Keywords: hugs, support
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:29:06 GMT

In article <C0Iv9B.9Kt@news.udel.edu> jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (James Carroll) writes:
:But I feel losing my family would be worse.  (My mom has repeatedly said,
:with heavy negative connotations, that she wouldn't know what to do if I was
:gay.)  Other relatives have expressed very anti-lesbigay opinions; I know

That sounds to me like she already knows and is hinting that she doesn't
want you to say it explicitly so she'll have to deal with it :-(

G
PS *Warm, reassuring HuG*
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: Daoism, Pooh, and Bisexuals
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:05:25 GMT

In article <gfGbPgC00Vpe0GsNln@andrew.cmu.edu> Tom Lord <lord+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>        Let me explain... What I get from the yin-yang is that nothing
>        can exist without its opposite.  (motss and motos attractions)
>
>This is something i have a hard time understanding.  In what sense are
>sexes polarized?  

Good point. Let me explain the way I think about it.
When I started thinking about my possible attraction to men.
I found it very different from the way in which I was attracted 
to women.  For me it was polarized along the lines of emotion and along
the lines of physical appeal.  I still find it so along the lines of
physical appeal.  The emotional aspect is blurring the more I try and 
deconstruct the gender roles and societal appropriations.  
I don't think that I want to deconstruct or am able to deconstruct the
physical aspect of the attraction.  It just is.  That is still polarized
(in what ways I can't quite extract) and I expect it to stay that way.
 
>There are two distinct sets of functions for
>reproduction, but:
>
>	- not everyone is organicly programmed for either set of
> 	  functions
>
>	- some people are programmed for both
>
>	- in any event, keying _attraction_ on reproductive function
>	  is a quaint tradition in some respects but i wouldn't
>	  want to read too much into it
>
I am not talking about biological determinism.  I am talking about
personal desire and sexual identity resulting from that.  I think that
I find my attraction keying off of the specific male and female aspects
of the attractees.  These aspects are not the same and sort of play off
of each other for me.
 
>Oh sure, there is polarization in social practice (e.g. language), but
>where else?
>
Oops I guess I went too early. :)
This subject has been preying on my psyche lately and thanks for
causing me to really evaluate it.
Hugs and hugs to you in the 'burgh with pop and that.


-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    or    dilmore@che.udel.edu 
   Deconstruct your Gender          Safe sex doesn't mean no sex.          
Give me life, Give me pain,         It just means use your imagination. 
Give me myself again.  Tori Amos.            Billy Bragg 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker)
Subject: Re: What to do at a bar?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:44:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.003832.23661@fuug.fi> an1428@anon.penet.fi writes:
>Hi all!
>  Having never been to a gay bar (or anyother bar of
>this type) I am wondering what to do?

In my limited experience, they're much the same as any other type of
bar.  The normal social rules of politeness and decorum still apply.
[Somehow, the bifolk I know only behave outrageously in straight
bars.  I well remember Alex's going-away-to-Cambridge do.  Yes,
Tanaqui, Sara, Dave, Alex... thtis means *you* :)]

>I know this sounds strange (stupid is a better word),
>but I am much (MUCH) better at picking up girls.

I'm assuming you're male... remember that men and women
are socialised such that they sort-of know how to do the
bar-pickup thing: all the implicit knowledge is there
ready to be used - it's just that (I guess) no-one's
ever taught you how to pick up guys.

It really is so very similar.  Some guys want you to
sweet-talk them, some need plenty of drink to get/keep their
confidence going, some can just make it plain that they want to
get laid... you get all types.

>I am going to have to chance to travel around the
>eastern part of the US this summer and would like to
>hear your thoughts on how I should handle going to
>a gay (or bi...is there such a thing?) bar.

Can't talk about the locus - haven't got there myself yet -
so I guess the others should take over here.  Only one question:
is it that you've never been to the eastern US, or not to
the US at all (can't tell, you're anonymised)?  If the latter,
you may want to ask for general bar-behaviour from our American
friends here - I can't even begin to guess whether
there's much regional differentiation (at times the USA seems
like one place, then sometimes like half the world.  I can't
grasp it... Walt Whitman's "Song of Myself" seems to
be talking about that....)

>I mean what do I do.....go sit at the bar?

You may want to wear a T-shirt with "Bisexual Muffin;
super fresh and hot-hot-hot" on it also... :)

>I know...I know...there is no difference, but hey,
>humor me here...I am a super fresh muffin.
>The Masked Muffin.

Who was that masked mufin? :)

-- 
the Crisco Kid: quiet, shy, mono, Armani-suited.  Not.  idx009@uk.ac.cov.cck
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ouz085@cck.coventry.ac.uk (J Murdock)
Subject: Re: a silly question
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:47:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.005731.10415@udel.edu>
litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst) writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.130455.11191@news.acns.nwu.edu>
>Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>>In article <93002.225303SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
>>Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>>What does some turn into when they aren't a mufin any more?
>>
>>An ex-muffin.
>
>Or --if you're like me (straight)-- you turn into a biscuit.

                         ^^^^^^^^ `mono' surely?

Justin.

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst)
Subject: Re: I'm coming!
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:18:04 GMT

In article <C0I30q.78v@news.udel.edu> seamus@chopin.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.182755.8571@pony.Ingres.COM> becki@squid.ingres.com (Rebecca E. Tants) writes:
>>
>>Becki (aka Roo if you read the right news groups....)
>>
>More Pooh stuff. :)  Yeah.  Now who wants to be Kanga?
>:)
>
>-- 
>Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    or    dilmore@che.udel.edu 

If it means curling up with Becki/Roo in/on my stomach I'll volunteer.  Doesn't
even have to be Becki really, but since she's Roo already...

						;-}
						Steve

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From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lifestyle (was Re: Coming out to family)
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:04:16 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes:
>
>>J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>> pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?)) writes:
>> >the word "lifestyle" conjures up images of a chosen way of
>> >living.  i didn't choose this.  i have yet to find out what
>> >the "gay", "lesbian", or "bisexual" (let alone "queer"!) 
>> >"lifestyle" is!  it does seem that often the only thing the 
>> >queers i know have in common is their sexuality, just like
>> >straights.  
>> 
>> I think there's a distinction to be drawn here, between inclination and
>> behaviour. I didn't choose my sexuality either. But I do choose to sleep
>> with people rather than be celibate. Of course, the only thing queers have
>> in common is our sexuality, because queer is a sexuality. But the bisexual
>> lifestyle, for instance, is one in which you act on your attractions to
>> both sexes. In other words, that is a chosen way of living.
>
>I think that lifestyle is defined by the way you choose to live your
>life. 

That's exactly what I said.

>  If you like purchasing lots of material goods, you live a sort
>of "yuppie" lifestyle.  If you enjoy participating in sports, you live
>an active lifestyle.  If you prefer to be in the company of gays, you
>might consider that you live a queer lifestyle.

I doubt anyone who didn't actually have sex with MOTSS would *want* to claim that
they lived a queer lifestyle, at least in my understanding of the term.

>  Your sexuality can be
>a very seperate part of the lifestyle you choose to live.  And, some
>friends may describe your lifestyle one way, while others describe it
>another way.

How *you* describe your own lifestyle is the only description that counts, surely.

>Your sexuality is a seperate matter.  I like the Webster's def'n for
>sexuality:
>	"expression of sexual receptivity or interest"
>Bi's, queers and straights all exhibit this.  We're all sexual
>creatures.  We also all choose to life our lives in very different,
>but sometime similar, ways.

I disagree. Closeted queers (including bis) may be too afraid to _express_ any sexual
interest they may have in MOTSS, for instance. If this is the case then they are not
choosing to live a queer lifestyle. Yet if they do have the sexual interest, that is
part of their sexuality, and it is unlikely to be chosen.

One of the definitions of sexuality in one of my dictionaries suggests simply "sexual
impulses", which seems to me a better definition.

My point was that lifestyle is chosen, sexuality may not be.


/jon
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Subject: Re: more music....
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:30:00 +0000


> So, musos, what LPs do you recommend..? (I'm just about to go and collect 


...Just keep an open ear and check the status of the feet tapping 
that's all I ever recommend.

(Clive -- whose just rediscovered a pile of Nick Lowe records, and 
boy, did he look cute in '79)

..Well, rough... but cute...
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| When I grow up, I want to give up being|cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk|
| a Journalist and learn how to write... |                          |
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells)
Subject: Re: I'm coming!
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:57:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.082556.13967@netcom.com>
 boserj@netcom.com (Jeffrey Boser) writes:
>becki@squid.ingres.com (Rebecca E. Tants) writes:
>>Roy S. Rapoport (rsr@soda.berkeley.edu) wrote:
>>: >* ->(H I N T: Muffy, Roy, ...jeff(?))
>>: >* Coolness! Hey, we can all have dinner together! And we can invite Dan and
>>: >* Iseult also, and a bunch of other people!! Yeah!
>>: >My cup runneth over!  How is it possible that I have
>>: >never announced that I'll be there before?
>>: >Any more takers?  I just love a party... <big ole stupid grin>
>>
>>*laugh* Hey Roy, don't forget me!!!
>>
>>I think it'd be fun to meet more people from this group!  granted the crossover
>>between here and my older haunts is astonishing, but.....
>>
>>Becki (aka Roo if you read the right news groups....)
>
><pout>  I wanna meet everybody too!
>
>This is almost enough to make me wish I wont be in Alaska in
>a week.  almost. <grin>
>
>....jeff
>

Okay, time for me to pout . . . I finally get back to school, having
been modemless for almost a month and all out of date on the newsgroup,
and I don't have a clue what is going on.  Which get-together are we
talking about here?

I feel so out of it.  I missed this group intensely.  *major pout*
And now there is some get-together that I will probably miss.

Poo.
Anyone care to fill me in?

Darren
(actually glad that school has started again)

Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.culture.italian,alt.usage.english
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Calvino, Eco etc.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 23:51:33 GMT

I know one of these people without net.access. This person has just completed
a Modern Languages degree at Oxford, and would like to do research on Italian
authors. Mad Italian authors, at that - people interested in philosophy,
semiotics, literary and mythic structures, that kind of thing.

If people could email me suggestions either at this site or to cen@vax.ox.ac.uk
I would be delighted. Thank you for your time.

Tanaqui

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: general dissatisfaction
Keywords: hugs, angst
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:31:58 GMT

In article <C0LzAF.FzL@news.udel.edu> eowyn@ravel.udel.edu (Zoe Antonia Velonis) writes:
:having gone through a generally stressful time with one of my nearer&dearer
:net.friends/something, I could use a whole passel of hugs.

Me too.  *Squeeeeeze*

:And since it went out in a personal post to Steve, I'll ask again...
:Anyone on net read Sandman?  My brother (bless his evil little heart) gave

me me me me me!  I was converted (dare I say seduced?) to it by the wicked
Sara.  Have you got the fourth collection yet?  Mumble mumble - not sure if
I like it as much as the others yet.

:rest; but I'm always eager to find people to drool over Morpheus with.  Saw
:a guy on campus yesterday who had a black jeans jacket on with Morpheus painted
:on the back.  I physically accosted him and drooled over it.  It helped that I  knew him!

Tanaqui, that's your cue! :-)

G
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: A hug request and a general growl at the world
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:13:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.184641.22001@pony.Ingres.COM> 
becki@squid.ingres.com (Rebecca E. Tants) writes:
>my feeling has always been towards not telling anyone who doesn't have a 
>reason to know, but also not NOT telling anyone either.  my sexual habits
>are not a topic of conversation with my mother, therefore they don't come
>up.  as a lesbian friend of mine says, people are VERY willing to overlook 
>most things with two women involved, so it's easy not to let my mother 
>know.  [...]
>i guess this question fascinates me because i feel hypocritical.  i'll be out
>to tens of thousands of people about some things but not about others.[...]

Speaking from my experience, it is a lot easier to operate with few "secrets"
(I'm out at work, at church and to some of my family) -- but everyone has
to judge what is "safe" or what risks they are willing to accept.

I think what distingushes me from, say 20 year olds just coming out, is
not necessarlly the amount of sexual experience (since some have more
than me ;), but having had the time to develop some self-confidence and
get my public and private personas more in sync.

Feeling "safe" can be misleading, but one seldom has better information
to go on (unless someone else is clearly a 'phobe).
>
>Becki
>
>(p.s. yes, that was a de-muffining i guess....)
>
Welcome! 

<gentle encouraging hugs>

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
                      |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bryant@icd.teradyne.com (Wayne Bryant)
Subject: Re: Any (other) UU Bis out there ?
Reply-To: bryant@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:41:03 GMT

In article 1Lo@athena.cs.uga.edu, wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells) writes:
>
>Subject line says it all, except to ask if any Unitarian Universalist
>Bi's know about the UU Bisexual Network. It looks new and "outside the
>loop," but that's my impression from the ad they ran in the _World_


There are lots of UU Bis in Boston!  I just talked to Alan, who started the
UU Bisexual Network and he said he will post information on how to get
connected.  Hugs to all you UU Bis out there.

					Wayne



Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker)
Subject: Re: Bisexual idenity and community
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:07:16 GMT

In article <1it00cINNfol@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> winsor@geek. (js) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.173411.23150@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>, kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker) writes:
>   the emblem of the dread Yog-Sothoth!
>   
>   		Kay (sillier than usual today)
>All right.  I'll bite. :-)  what the muck is a Yog*?

Ooooo... as phrased, that's a tricky question.  Yog-Sothoth
is mentioned many times in the writings of H P Lovecraft.
*What* she/he/it is is difficult to say, apart from being
one of the Elder Things that pipe and gibber about the
the throne of the mad Demon-Sultan, dread Azathoth...

				Kay
-- 
the Crisco Kid: quiet, shy, mono, Armani-suited.  Not.  idx009@uk.ac.cov.cck
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst)
Subject: Re: Fantasy question:  Is Tori bi?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: soc.bi
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:59:11 GMT

In article <CZg=Nj+@engin.umich.edu> rowe@engin.umich.edu (Steven Rowe) writes:
>In article <C0pv0t.209@news.udel.edu> jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (James Carroll) writes:
>
>
>
>But, oddly, all those people are bi.  What makes Tori so special??
>Anybody out there find her UNattractive?  Let's have a show of hands,
>who secretly wishes that Tori is bi?  (My hand is up)
>
>Well, somebody said the group needed some fluff, so here it is.  A
>place to fantasize about Tori...  *sigh*
>
>-- 
>Steve Rowe: B0 f- w- c g+ k+ s- e+ r-
		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
		(what does this mean?  I see it a lot but haven't a clue.)

Never really thought about it myself... I'll admit she's attractive, but I've 
long since given up drooling over personalities that I'm never going to meet.
I mean, there are so many people out there that I might meet someday that I 
can drool over (naming no names, of course {Kay})  Of course, no that you've
mentioned it I find myself slipping back into that frame of mind... *sigh*

					Steve

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From: moragw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Alloy Serving Woman)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Tori bloody Amos
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:27:54 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


 OK, I give in, first thing tomorrow I'm going to the nearest Virgin to
see if they've heard of this Tori Amos person and have a listen to
whatever album they recommend.  An honest opinion will be forthcoming. 
I wonder if she's suitable for my collection?  If this woman turns out
to be some white high heeled wee bint then I'll be most miffed.  mutter
mutter..  It takes Industrial music to cleanse the ol' heart after a
festive visit to the parents, lie on the floor and feel it vibrate and
pound through my entire body, mmm.

Hugs to everyone including all the fresh muffins I missed.  Now if you'd
just come to the party in Feb you could all be de-muffined IRL
and by the entire British (and honorary British) contingency too...

Oh no, I've just dropped my chocolate on the floor, I can't go on
without it.  Got to go now, this is terrible.  I bet all the shops are
closing , oh no, oh no, what am I going to _do_.


                                                           Mo
                                    
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