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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:41:38 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Data and Information

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From: (Steve Salmon) <steve@carlyle.com>
Subject: RE: Data and information

In some usages, and according to some dictionaries, the two are synonymous.
However, in other usages, data (as in "raw data") refers to undigested
numbers or codes, without apparent meaning, and information, by contrast,
to data which has been given form and meaning.  In this context, information
has meaning, data does not (at least, not necessarily).
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From: David Tyckoson <DT673@ALBNYVMS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Data Question
can't data data first Get I information information is is keep
discussion first Get I information
 information is is
keep myself of out point second The The the the vs. well

Well, I can't keep myself out of the data vs. information discussion.]
The first paragraph is data.  The second is information.  Get the point?

David Tyckoson
SUNY-Albany
DT673@ALBNYVMS
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:40:15 CDT
From:         Merri Beth Lavagnino <MLAVAGNI@UVMVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Job Announcement

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                      Job Announcement
               Documents and Maps Department Head

     The Head of Government Documents and Maps provides
leadership for the library's United States, Canadian, and United
Nations documents and for the map collection.  Duties include
reference service, including assisting users with an extensive
collection of CD-ROMs and online services; bibliographic
instruction; creating guides and bibliographies; and service as
the library's expert in government documents, maps, and legal
materials.  Some evening and weekend hours are required.  The
Head supervises the work of one library faculty member, three
paraprofessionals, and student assistants.  He/she is also
expected to participate in relevant professional activities.

REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS:  ALA-accredited MLS and at least three
years of relevant professional library experience;  knowledge of
U.S. government documents; knowledge of microcomputer
applications in libraries; excellent communication skills;
ability to work with diverse users and staff in a changing
environment; strong commitment to public service; and a knowledge
of current trends in government documents librarianship.  DESIRED
QUALIFICATIONS:  Supervisory experience in an academic library;
knowledge of and experience with NOTIS or other integrated
library system; experience with MARCIVE; understanding of TIGER
map file applications; experience in library instruction; and an
academic background in the social sciences.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:   The University of Vermont is a 90%
selective depository for U.S. government documents and a
depository for Canadian documents.  Records for items received
since 1976 are loaded into the Library's NOTIS online catalog
using MARCIVE.  The Government Documents Department is Vermont's
largest, holding two million items, including microfiche, and
200,000 maps.

     Located in Burlington, a metropolitan area of 125,000
situated on Lake Champlain between the Adirondack and Green
Mountains, the University of Vermont enrolls 11,000 undergraduate,
graduate, and medical students.  The University strongly
encourages applications from women and minorities.  The Head of
Documents is a non-tenure track faculty position.  Appointment
will be made at the rank of Library Assistant Professor or above,
with a minimum starting salary of $30,000.  Generous benefits
package, including TIAA/CREF (or alternative plan) and 22 days of
annual leave.  Position open until filled; priority given to
applications received by January 15, 1993.  Send letter of
application, resume, and the names of three professional
references to: Chair, Head of Documents Search Committee,
Bailey/Howe Library, University of Vermont, Burlington, VT 05405.
AA/EEO employer.
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From:         Michael Luskin <luskin@a1.relay.upenn.edu>
Subject:      RE: Position Openings

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would someone please post contact info, an address, whatever for the Rhode
Island Library netork?  Thank you.




Michjael B. Luskin
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:29:59 CDT
From:         CAIN@XAVIER.BITNET
Subject:      Thanks for the Vision Documents

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I wanted to thank everyone for their generous responses regarding
future of the library/"vision" documents.  I'm still working through
all of your notes.  In many cases I've written you directly to provide
you with info. you asked from me.  For those of you I haven't contacted
directly (or couldn't contact because of the difficulties I currently have
sending mail to Internet addresses), I really appreciated your help.

I will summarize responses as soon as I can.  Many of you asked me to
post Xavier's document when it is complete, and I will be happy to do
that.

Again, thanks.


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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:38:49 CDT
From:         Teresa Dahlgran <dahlgren@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Subject:      Thank you.

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

I would like to thank all those who responded to my question about library
software for Macintoshes.  I got so many responses that I can't hope to
answer all of them individually.  I am glad to know that there are systems
available for Macs., but for those of you who advised me to learn DOS,
be assured that I am in the process of doing so.
Thanks again,
Teresa Dahlgren
Uni. of Iowa, SLIS
dahlgren@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:46:03 CDT
From:         TMURASKI@UWSTOUT.BITNET
Subject:      Internet access to libraries in France

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L. Thanks, Jill

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Does anyone have the telnet address to access any libraries in France?

Please send replies directly to me.  Thanks.

Terri Muraski
University of Wisconsin-Stout
Library Learning Center
tmuraski@uwstout.edu
From: JL.RCS@ISUMVS.BITNET (Bob Sickles)
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Date: 17 Nov 92 19:57:20 GMT
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Re:  "Meta-Structure" response

     I feel Paul Gherman is on target concerning the access to "net-based"
documents.   He suggests we concentrate energies towards this "meta-structure
of information" for the future.
     While agreeing, it seems we are bit-by-bit pursuing this evolving
packaging or rewrapping of such information.   Take note for example, the
Triangle Research Universities proposed policy on scholarly articles.   (ARL
164: 11-12, Sept. 9, 1992)   As well, much discussion has evolved via Marcia
Tuttle's Newsletter on Serials Pricing Issues.   In particular, Patricia
Berger's statement regarding the way scientists and scholars communicate
(July 17 issue) and my own follow-up concerning "The Journal and an Article
Alternative."  (Aug. 17 issue)
     In this I feel the journal will be with us (both traditional and
electronic), but does every article, paper, or document need to be packed into
such.   Large databases such as BIOSIS, CA, CAB, Compendex, etc. now it seems
could attach document nos., just as ERIC does, and even fully load that text,
making it thus accessible.
     I look forward to the discussion/action on this road towards a
"meta-structure of information."



Bob Sickles
Iowa State University
jl.rcs@isumvs.Bitnet
Internet:  jl.rcs@isumvs.iastate.edu
11/16/92
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:28:28 CDT
From:         JAMSHID BEHESHTI <INJZ@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Research in Progress no!!!

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Pattern of Research is available only in print form.  I made a
small database for the former Dean of Graduate Studies which
had a user-friendly interface.  I collected my data from
SCI and SSCI.  This was a prototype only.  Dean Prichard
did not pursue this and recommended the BEST database.
I still think one should follow the SCI/SSCI solution for published
articles.  Research in progress is another story.  Perhaps,
NSRC or SSHRC may be helpful in this regard.
Of course, copyright permission should be obtained from
ISI if you intend to use their database.
J.B.
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:26:56 MST
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From:         aka Postmaster <woods@NCAR.UCAR.EDU>
Subject:      I'm on vacation

  I got your mail about:      UREP 4.0 is now available

  NCAR is closed as of 9:30AM Monday, November 23, due to blizzard
conditions. The snow is expected to last until at least Tuesday
afternoon so we may or may not get back to work before the Thanksgiving
holiday weekend. Odds are I may not be able to answer your mail until
after that.

--Greg
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:32:10 -0500
From:         William C Fenner <fenner@CS.PSU.EDU>
Subject:      UREP 4.0 is now available, with an address this time

UREP 4.0 is now available.

The main enhancements from 3.5 are:

- A rewritten, significantly more solid VMNET driver
   I have tested this driver under a reasonably heavy load of files and
   messages and haven't encountered any significant problems.  It will
   auto-reload upon a broken connection, or on any protocol irregularities.

   For those using VMNET to talk to JNET sites, the problem with the JNET
   end logging "? Unexpected permission to initiate stream, ignored" is
   fixed.

   In my testing with JNET, I encountered a bug in DEC's UCX TCP/IP which
   I didn't track down, but be warned that a VMNET link to a JNET site running
   UCX might not be stable.

- Supported bisync driver for Sun Sparcstations


To upgrade to UREP 4.0, you must send us:

0. A cover letter, saying that you want UREP 4.0
1. A tape to put it on.  9-track, 1/4" or exabyte.
2. A photocopy of your current UREP license
3. A check for $350, if you had a version that cost $850.  If you paid $1200,
   this upgrade is free.
4. A return mailing envelope, with stamps.  The post office doesn't like to
   take metered mail that wasn't metered in our zip code.

If you include an E-Mail address (BITNET or Internet) in your cover letter,
I will send you E-Mail when I receive your tape telling you where you are in
the queue.  I cannot predict right now how much demand there will be for this
upgrade, so I do not know what kind of lag time to expect on making tapes.

The address to send tapes to is:

UREP c/o Bill Fenner
Penn State
Department of Computer Science
333 Whitmore Lab
University Park, PA 16802

As always, if you have any questions, feel free to contact me.  My E-Mail
addresses are fenner@cs.psu.edu or fenner@psuvlsi.bitnet; or you can call
me at +1 814 863-7438.  The department's FAX number is +1 814 865-3176.

  Bill Fenner
  UREP Support
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:24:18 -0500
From:         William C Fenner <fenner@CS.PSU.EDU>
Subject:      UREP 4.0 is now available

UREP 4.0 is now available.

The main enhancements from 3.5 are:

- A rewritten, significantly more solid VMNET driver
   I have tested this driver under a reasonably heavy load of files and
   messages and haven't encountered any significant problems.  It will
   auto-reload upon a broken connection, or on any protocol irregularities.

   For those using VMNET to talk to JNET sites, the problem with the JNET
   end logging "? Unexpected permission to initiate stream, ignored" is
   fixed.

   In my testing with JNET, I encountered a bug in DEC's UCX TCP/IP which
   I didn't track down, but be warned that a VMNET link to a JNET site running
   UCX might not be stable.

- Supported bisync driver for Sun Sparcstations


To upgrade to UREP 4.0, you must send us:

0. A cover letter, saying that you want UREP 4.0
1. A tape to put it on.  9-track, 1/4" or exabyte.
2. A photocopy of your current UREP license
3. A check for $350, if you had a version that cost $850.  If you paid $1200,
   this upgrade is free.
4. A return mailing envelope, with stamps.  The post office doesn't like to
   take metered mail that wasn't metered in our zip code.

If you include an E-Mail address (BITNET or Internet) in your cover letter,
I will send you E-Mail when I receive your tape telling you where you are in
the queue.  I cannot predict right now how much demand there will be for this
upgrade, so I do not know what kind of lag time to expect on making tapes.

As always, if you have any questions, feel free to contact me.  My E-Mail
addresses are fenner@cs.psu.edu or fenner@psuvlsi.bitnet; or you can call
me at +1 814 863-7438.  The department's FAX number is +1 814 865-3176.

  Bill Fenner
  UREP Support
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:48:57 CST
From:         Eric Crump <C509379@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      JOB in rhetoric/comp

(apologies to anyone who sees this more than once....     --Eric Crump)

----------------------- Rhetoric and composition job -------------------

Rhetoric and Composition
UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI-COLUMBIA
Associate or Advanced Assistant

Our current MA and Ph.D concentrations focus on the
history and theory of rhetoric with emphases on
rhet/comp theory, critical theory, reading-writing
pedagogy and the UMC interdisciplinary writing program.
Responsibilities will include teaching (2/2), significant
direction of graduate program, and a theoretical research
focus on rhetoric. Ph.D.  and publication in rhet/comp
required. Women and minorities encouraged to apply.

Send letter and CV to Professor Ellie Ragland Sullivan,
Department of English, 107 Tate Hall, University of
Missouri-Columbia, Columbia MO 65211.
AA/EOE.
From: GRANTH@brownvm.brown.edu (Grant Hogarth)
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Subject: Re: Acceptance Speeches
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:57:58 EST
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In article <9211221810.AA11058@bach.helios.nd.edu>, john pauley
<jpauley@BACH.HELIOS.ND.EDU> asks:
>
>Anybody out there have a good citation or two on presidential acceptance
>speeches?  I know I've seen something in the past but, for the life of me, I
>can't remember where....

William Safire has a book of Famous Speeches out in print...not
sure of the publisher (Knopf?).
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:59:34 CST
From:         treilly@IASTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Acceptance Speeches
              22 Nov 92 17:13:58 -0500. <9211222214.AA19705@po-1.iastate.edu>

Journal citations on acceptance speeches:

Ritter, K. (1980).  American political rhetoric and the jeremiad tradition:
     Presidential acceptance addresses, 1960-1976."  Central States Speech
     Journal, 31, 153-171.

     That essay has numerous other citations on acceptance speeches.  See
especially, p. 154, footnote #6.

     SCA convention in Chicago, November 1992, had a panel on acceptance
speeches in the 92 political conventions.   I think it was on Friday at
supper time (5-6-ish) SCA program book would have the authors and
titles in there.

Edward Reilly
Iowa State University
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:18:40 -0800
From:         Larry S Richardson <richardl@HENSON.CC.WWU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Acceptance Speeches

C-Span has recorded some acceptance speeches and has old films of others.
Purdue University houses the archive of C-Span.  Professor Robert Browning
manages the archive.  They will make you tapes of both speeches and
commentary that surrounds the occasions.  You can call C-Span on an 800
number for educators.
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:13:58 -0500
From:         Jon.Rose@QUEENSU.CA
Subject:      Acceptance Speeches

Kathleen Hall Jamieson, Eloquence in An Electronic Age and K.K. Campbell and
Jamieson's Deeds Done in Words: Preside tial Rhetoric and The Genres of
Governance are two good cites, I would think.
Good luck! Jon Rose.
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:09:39 -0500
From:         Sami Siddiqi <SIDDIQIS@WABASH.BITNET>
Subject:      info

to whom it may concern:

I am a student of rhetoric at Wabash College.  I would like some information
about your listserv so that I may give consideration about joining the listserv.

 Thank you for your help.
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:45:45 MST
From:         cheree <AOACC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: JOB in rhetoric/comp

==========================================================================

A. Cheree Carlson                       "I've got no culture, but oodles of
Arizona State University                 style."
Bitnet: AOACC@ASUACAD                                --Faux Lyotard
From: jpauley@BACH.HELIOS.ND.EDU (john pauley)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.rhetoric
Subject: Acceptance Speeches
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:10:03 GMT
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Anybody out there have a good citation or two on presidential acceptance
speeches?  I know I've seen something in the past but, for the life of me, I
can't remember where....
Any and all help greatly appreciated.
John Pauley
Dept. of Communication
Saint Mary's College
<jpauley@bach.helios.nd.edu>
From: dschenke@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dennis L Schenkel)
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Subject: Intellectual Property and Net Discourse
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:12:33 GMT
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I have been reading several newsgroups over the last few months, but the one 
that I am most interested in, "bit.listserv.rhetoric," seems to have very 
little traffic.  I have tried to ask myself why such a hot field with so many 
issues at stake would have a very dull discussion group, ie no discussion at 
all.  People ask for help, references, etc to books and articles, but no real 
discussion takes place here.  If that were by design and if this group were 
moderated, I might understand the relatively few postings.  But since there is 
no moderator, I will propose a different hypothesis to explain the low traffic 
on this group:  intellectual property.

It may be possible that people in our field are not discoursing in this forum 
because they wish to retain the right to call their opinions theirs.  If I got 
on the net and argued a major issue, someone could conceivably use my ideas and
make big Camile Paglia bucks by writing a controvertial book, without citing me
or paying me.

Since no one keeps an archive of the stuff that appears here on this newsgroup,
it would be impossible to prove or disprove that certain ideas do or do not 
belong to whomever.

Many people are calling the idea of the "author" into question, and the idea of
intellectual property is being challenged in many quarters, especially in 
rhetoric, where most of us at least have heard the arguments that the 
internally persuasive word is always half someone else's.  Yet, I propose that 
even as we are challenging traditional notions of intellectual property, we 
still act as though we believe in the system.  And maybe that's because we 
must.  The reality of the Academy is that jobs are based on publishing, which
is based on intellectual property.  Many of you, perhaps, are aware of cases in
which collaborators go before tenure committees and are asked to document which
words and phrases and ideas came from them and not their partner(s).

So maybe here on the net, we can begin to challenge old paradigms in relative
safety.  Maybe someone else would like to posit some other explanation, or
perhaps bring up another topic for discussion.  Maybe someone wants to comment
on the implications of discoursing via the net? (I know it would allow me to
insert my voice into a discourse that I cannot afford to enter at traditional
conferences since I am living on a TA salary.)  Who stands to gain by
discussing things here?  Who stands to lose?  Who is being shut out altogether?

Don't respond to me via private Email...post your response here  :)
-- 
Dennis Schenkel, Graduate Student    *****************************************
Ohio State University, English Dept  * Pax Christi Vobiscum...  from one of  *
dschenke@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu   * those who "...wait in joyful hope..." *
    --My opinions are mine--         *****************************************
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