HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: crafts@athena.mit.edu (Dan Robinson)
Subject: From England, Massive Attack
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:47:00 GMT

Now that you have all shed some light on the Rap vs Hip Hop question,
I want to put another to the group...


Massive Attack is an outfit/crew/group/posse from England whose American debut
was impressive, or so I think anyway. The album has some OK R and B tracks but
there three tracks that are better than average that features their unique rhyme
styles. "blue lines...five many army...daydreaming"

Question to those that are familiar with Massive Attack: Is their style up 
enough to be considered hip hop or just rap?

BTW: The album is pretty good, very mellow, smooth beats all around.

Dan
crafts@athena.mit.edu
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Dissing the Wafer One
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:31:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: cork.XJAM.92Apr16003139
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: cspot@cats.ucsc.edu's message of 15 Apr 92 23:03:39 GMT

>>>>> "Chris.Hilker" == Chris.Hilker  <cspot@cats.ucsc.edu> writes:
	[stuff deleted]
  Chris.Hilker> Hey, waitaminute there! What about "I Love You To Death," on the soundtrack
  Chris.Hilker> for 'Can't Stop The Music?' David Hodo (the construction worker) sings lead
  Chris.Hilker> on that track, I believe.

You sir are a very brave person for admitting this knowledge in public.
I salute you!

No smilies for the humor impaired.

--
            xjam@cork.Berkeley.EDU	

They can't come on and play me in prime time, 		
Cause I know the time, cause I'm gettin' mine.		
I get on the mix late in the night... -Public Enemy

Fiiiive Thousand Boomin Watts...... -The JBeez
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: gvbattle@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gregory V. Battle)
Subject: Re: Chi Ali and the next generation
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 01:17:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.014707.5723@acsu.buffalo.edu> simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.203532.8544@Princeton.EDU> gvbattle@teller.Princeton.EDU (Gregory V. Battle) writes:
>> Chi-Ali reminds me of a rhyme I wrote :
>>
>>"....Kids in this biz are troubled water under a bridge,
>> If their rhymes were that def, battle my ass in sign language,
>> Silly rookie, tried to boogie, but he came off overzealous,
>> With lyrics so booty, they're making Timberlands jealous....."
>>    G-BAttle of Groovy Productions for '92
>Hope you copyrighted that!
>

Of course I did.   I will never go out like a sucka :)

>Chi Ali's comeback (in nasal tone) - note : I am NOT a professional.
>	
>	"You silly rhyme writer 
>	Ya betta step off
>	Cause Chi-Ali's in da house
>	Ain't never comin' soft
>	Been rappin' since a baby
>	Last week I had your lady
>	Now you wanna try and phaze me
>	Battle me? You'll need an uzi!"
>					

Don't even tell me that's from his album........I'll burn down my local
record store to keep people from buying that crap :)
I'm only playing around, man, good comeback for Chi-Ali I guess, if it
was '82.  Here's a one-liner for Chi-Ali's stank black ass.......

"...Show respect for your elders, you should never be rude to me,
    How could ever COME OFF, you haven't even reached puberty!!!"

PEACE upwards.

G-BAttle

PS : I wonder what kind of shit people would have said during that whole
     Martha fiasco if they had been forced to rhyme.........could be a
     great reason to start a new flame war :)
From: jimh@ism.isc.com (jim hori)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: shootings in LA
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:20:15 GMT
Distribution: world, rec, usa
Organization: SunSoft Inc., Los Angeles, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigboy.west.sun.com

In article <11992.29e0670f@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> jwilson@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>Anybody got the scoop on what happened to the brothas and sistahs in LA this
>past weekend?  I know it's not hip-hop, but when Black college students are
>randomly picked off while PICKNICKING (kickin' cwazy ballistics no doubt),
>especially during this time of the year (anyone remember Virginia Beach...), WE
>ALL SHOULD LISTEN UP.  They probably were listening to that nonmusical "rape"
>music with them "oh-so-ghetto" lyrics...Peace.
>

Unfortunately for any conspiracy theories this incident did not have anything
to do with any Virginia Beach type situation (and it seems odd to assume that
it did). Actually it was more of the so called brothers doing the work of the
man by gattin each other which is much more prevalent.

For those wondering what we're talking about here, some black fraternities
have an annual picnic, and they deliberately have it outside the hood to keep
things cool. A lot of people know about it however, so it isn't just a
fraternity party. The news reports indicate that some gangsters started
fondling a sister, and were asked to leave. They went to their car, pulled
some guns and started shooting. Guns were pulled from all directions (police
say from six different sources besides the original one) and bullets flew
everywhere. Two were killed, several were wounded, and all were
bystanders.

Yes the Man is racist and abuses the community, but black on black violence
deserves equal or more condemnation because it is so stupid and destructive,
and plays into the hands of the racists by hurting the youth and by giving
them the evidence to claim that black people are uncivilized. How long will
this senseless slaughter continue?



....
jimh@west.sun.com
From: Blair.V.Burns@dartmouth.edu (Blair V. Burns)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Talkin' blak?
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:56:25 GMT
 <ISBELL.92Apr7175759@pop-tarts.ai.mit.edu> 
 <1992Apr7.225744.1439@ux.acs.umn.edu>  
 <1992Apr7.233345.5930@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


       And now you patronize us by saying you're from the Bronx and you
know rap music?  What kind of sick liberalfascism is Columbia teaching
you people?  Or is it just you being a segregated, isolated little
jewish rich kid?  
                                           Blair Burns,
                                          Class of 92, Dartmouth
College.
                                          East Tremont Ave. Bronx, NY.
PS.  Say hello to David Febus for me if you are so bold to know!!!
Newsgroups: alt.rap,rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc
From: mcmahon@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael G. McMahon)
Subject: Re: Beastie Boys Discography (somewhat)
Followup-To: alt.rap
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:41:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.000859.18555@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Kamchatka Charlie
writes: 
>This is the Beastie Boys Discography, as far as I know it.  Feel free to
>correct wherever necessary; also singles are not included in this.
>[...]
>     "She's On It"  Unknown to me when released, have never seen it.  Some
>sources say it was THIS which caught fire in the Black clubs.

   I think this one was only a single.  I know it's on the Krush Groove
soundtrack (where DID my copy of that go?)

>	Liscence To Ill:  The big album which turned on millions of
>honkeys to rap with "Fight For the Right."

   It's "Licensed To Ill", actually.

>	Paul's Boutique:  One of the most overlooked albums in Rock/Rap
>history.  
   True.  I still wish they'd mixed the vocals a little higher,
at least in that disco-rgasm part of the final mix.

Peace.
-mike



-- 
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From: fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Paris
Summary: Paris
Keywords: Paris
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:50:01 GMT
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden

Does anyone here got any info about Paris?
Is he doing something new? If he is not, it is time to start maybe...:)
Because I want to see him back.

5000 G

Fedde
From: sample@ncsc.org (Mike Sample)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: NEED STUFF ABOUT HAMMER FOR KIDS' BOOK
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:58:14 GMT
Reply-To: sample@ncsc.org (Mike Sample)
Organization: North Carolina Supercomputing Center

In article <1992Apr11.221456.19568@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
ah881@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joyce Brabner) writes:
 >
 >Maybe you can help me.  I'm looking for stuff about M.C. Hammer,
 >for a kids' book (biography).  There's not much out there, once
 >you get through PEOPLE MAGAZINE, ROLLING STONE, and whatever JET
 >or EBONY has to say about Taco Bell, or his new race horse.  I
 >apologize to anyone who thinks I'm wasting valuable list space
 >here with someone so, um...  mainstream, but maybe one of you has
 >an idea about where else I can look.  I'm especially interested
 >in finding any of those one-shot celebrity magazines...  You know,
 >very unauthorized biography, lots of photos, kind of like the 
 >special "Kennedy Family" ones that showed up during the Willie
 >Smith trial.  Or any magazines that have interviews with him.  I'm
 >stuck.  Can't get much beyond whatever showed up in our library's
 >READER'S GUIDE/INFOTRAC, which don't catalog much beyond RSTONE,
 >DOWNBEAT, etc.
 >
 >Please e-mail me on this, with any suggestions, or leads.  Thanks!
 >-- 

Oh Boy, even though this is alt.rap I think this is the wrong place to 
ask for help about Hammer.  He is not well liked here.  Net people,
please don't flame... Let's not start anything negative with this person.

Peace...

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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Alt.rap history (was: Re: Wordz 2 Tha Wyze)
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:57:59 GMT
	<1992Apr7.200327.20592@ux.acs.umn.edu>
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: mmoore@ux.acs.umn.edu's message of 7 Apr 92 20:03:27 GMT

mmoore@ux.acs.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:
|isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
|$By the way, how long has alt.rap been around?  I was here from post #1,
|$but I forget our age.
|Well I wasn't around from post #1, but my first post was #502 and that was 
|in late 1990.

Happy birthday to us, then, but surely you mean early 1991...  Let's
see, I did my first review some three-four weeks after we started and
that was in March so.... carry the two....

|$Anyway, we've done a good job by and large.  I
|$think we deserve self-patting super props for keeping a mostly dope+
|$group.  Dap, dap, dap.  <insert prop here>

|Word, this is a pretty raw newsgroup.  Not enough volume for my tastes, but
|dope nonetheless.

I want more volume, too.  If you don't I'll--I'll--I'll do something.

|* If YOU want to be a GANGSTA WANNABE then email ME (mmoore@ux.acs.umn.edu)
|  for more information. *

Post it!
--
Peace.
                     "There is a level of cowardice lower than that 
                      of the conformist: the fashionable non-conformist."
                                               - Ayn Rand
                           ------
Don't just adopt opinions |  \/  | I am Charles Isbell, Homeboy from hell,
      develop them.       |  /\  | living axiom and anonymous absolute ruler
                           ------  of the cosmos.
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Wordz 2 Tha Wyze
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:27:57 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

Becuase I feel like it:

Rule #1:  Hit returns before the 80th column so that we can *read* the
bloody post.  I swear I find nothing more irritating.

Rule #2:  Trim the includes on those replies.  Really, I've seen posts
here with one new line preceeded by 60 lines of quoted material and
then *followed* by 60 lines of quoted material that doesn't get a
response.  I swear I find nothing more irritating.

Rule #3:  Change subject lines when the topic changes.  I've noticed
that "Martha Phillps" is (sometimes) really about Eric B and Rakim.
I suggest something like "Eric B & Rakim (was Re:  Martha Phillips)".
I swear I find nothing more irritating.

Rule #4:  Don't flame me for this.  I'm bored.  I swear I find nothing
more irritating.

By the way, how long has alt.rap been around?  I was here from post #1,
but I forget our age.  Anyway, we've done a good job by and large.  I
think we deserve self-patting super props for keeping a mostly dope+
group.  Dap, dap, dap.  <insert prop here>
--
Peace.
                     "There is a level of cowardice lower than that 
                      of the conformist: the fashionable non-conformist."
                                               - Ayn Rand
                           ------
Don't just adopt opinions |  \/  | I am Charles Isbell, Homeboy from hell,
      develop them.       |  /\  | living axiom and anonymous absolute ruler
                           ------  of the cosmos.  

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: gvbattle@teller.Princeton.EDU (Gregory V. Battle)
Subject: Re: That culture thing there
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:29:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.122240.22057@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> jsuit@cbnewsj.cb.att.com  
(janice.r.s.suit) writes:
> In article <ISBELL.92Apr7175414@pop-tarts.ai.mit.edu>, isbell@ai.mit.edu  
(Charles L Isbell) writes:
> > jwilson@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> > One thing tho, I was followin' you until you started talking about
> > "folx".  Whatzat double H?  I
> > |wish you people would write in a language that we could all unnestand
>         ^^^^^^^^^^
> YOU PEOPLE!!!!...it blazes me when ANYONE says that, so CHILL!!!

If "jwilson"'s reference to "you people" was a demeaning reference to  
black/Blak/nigga/AFRO-Am/African-Americans, than I am truly behind Janice's
comment.  <and by the way, don't call me "boy" either Mr. Wilson, cause I'll  
fuck up your account for fun [read as SARCASM] :) >  

> Also, it has put me in touch with some dope brothas and
> sistas....special shout out to Mr. Isbell, DCAL, G-Battle, Chris Gray,
> and Sista T- (where she at???)
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                "In the middle"
> Janice R.S. Suit

G-BAttle

PS : Janice, what's been up.   Lawnge-time-no-bits.  I'm doing a show
     at Rutgers university tonight [Thursday, April 9].  Groovy in 
     effect for '92.  Thanks for the shout out, Peace...........I'm out
     like Pro-Keds.  Listen to WPRB 103.3 for the Raw Deal Thursdays at
     9pm, da phat sheet boyeeeee.
From: danec@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (dane chetkovich)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: That Misogyny Shit
Date: 9 Apr 1992 15:33:47 GMT
Reply-To: danec@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (dane chetkovich)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Originator: danec@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu


 Blair Burns, Dartmouth College, class of 92 writes:

> Clean up your speech and get right with your attitude towards
> women.  Sisters deserve to be angry and they have a right to express
> their opinions about a fucked up sexist society just as we blacks have
> of this racist society...
 
and

> What kind of sick liberalfascism is Columbia teaching
> you people?  Or is it just you being a segregated, isolated little
> jewish rich kid?                                            ^^^^^^
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                   

i totally agree with your support of the struggle of women. but 
then you go and post a hunk-o-shit racial slur.

saying crap like this is not the way to change a "fucked up racist
society".  

dane c.
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: david j warner <dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Random Musings
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:18:27 -0500

I've been trying to catch up on things this weekend, since there's a lot of
stuff I haven't heard yet, so here goes...

1.) Finally heard the Scenario Remix.  It's nothing like the original, but
    neither was the "Saturdays" remix from De La.  They're both slammin'.

2.) NWA's "Appetite for Destruction" is on the BET Rap Video top ten.  In the
    words of D-Nice, "No, no, no!"

3.) 2Pac's latest 12" "If My Homies Call/Brenda's Got A Baby" has some dope
    tracks on it.  Who does the backup vocals on "Brenda?"  One of my homies
    said it was Jodeci.

4.) I broke down and bought the UMC's LP after hearing "One To Grow On." I had
    heard "Blue Cheese" before, and that got me goin' on these guys.  Haven't
    listened to the whole thing yet, but I'll let you know when I do.

5.) Fu-Schnickens "La Schmoove" is the shit.

6.) What's up with Das EFX?  The beats are hype, but those have to be some of
    the dumbest rhymes I've heard in a while.  Maybe the LP on the whole is
    better, but these guys have got to start making more sense to me.

7.) Could Nice & Smooth be more blatant in their sampling with "Sometimes I
    Rhyme Quick"?  Is it really that easy to make a jam?

5000...
-- 
- David J. Warner            - "Maybe (Montross) plays better after he gets   -
- dwarner@ucs.indiana.edu    -  hit on the head."                             -
- (One for all...            -                              - Dean Smith      -
-             BRAND NUBIAN!) -                                                -
From: dbyron@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (David Byron)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: New Releases
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:35:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: cunixf.1992Apr8.013557.20658
Reply-To: dbyron@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (David Byron)
Organization: Columbia University

>*****RELEASE DATES*****
>
>Beastie Boys:  April 14 (I still haven't heard the single, but I'm not holding
>   my breath.)

Well, I've got two singles off the album (titled - _Check Your Head_).
The first is called "Professor Booty."  It's OK.  Only OK.  Nothing
like _Paul's Boutique_ quality stuff.  I forget the name of the other
one.  No loss.  It's staying on the shelf forever.  Definitely a good
call not to hold your breath.

Damn, and I was excited when I heard they were coming out with a new
album.

-David
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: agathon@athena.mit.edu (Garry Moorer)
Subject: Re: Geto Boys?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:20:59 GMT

"Geto Boyz" is kindofa remix of "Grip It... On That Other Level".  But it
also includes some songs like, "Assassin" from their *very first* album whose 
name I can't remember.  But Grip It is definitely doper than Geto Boyz.  Rick
Ruben might have gotten them into the spotlight, but he fucked up some of
the songs IMO.  Not sayin that the remixes are whack (damn, that sounds familiar)
but the original is much better.  

But back to the first album, that one was kinda funny.  They got songs on there
in many different old school styles.  They come off sounding like Curtis Blow
in one, Fat Boys in another, and even Run DMC! ("yelling on the mike like your
name was Run.").  I'll look up the name of it tomorrow, cuz my boy has it.
He also has Gangster Nip, who is just another typical cutaway gangster.  Haven't
paid enuff attention to him to call it whack.  I usually don't even give 
bastards like that an honest listen.  Peace!

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Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: david j warner <dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Compton's Most Wanted.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:04:43 -0500

In article <1992Apr12.202158.25418@acsu.buffalo.edu> v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil) writes:
>In article <12APR92.19430667@vax.clarku.edu>, cshelly@vax.clarku.edu writes...
>>All west coast rappers ain't shit!
>
>
>	WhyZ everyone tryin to FLAME somebody all of sudden?  What happened
>to this .net?  Can't we be civilized and TALK about things?
>
>							--aMIL

WORD LIFE!  Things is gittin' iller than the free clinic around here.  Why diss
all West Coasters when Ice-T is out kickin' much ass?  Even Tim Dog is down
with him and Ice Cube.  Think about it...

5000...

-- 
- David J. Warner            - "Maybe (Montross) plays better after he gets   -
- dwarner@ucs.indiana.edu    -  hit on the head."                             -
- (One for all...            -                              - Dean Smith      -
-             BRAND NUBIAN!) -                                                -
From: jwilson@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Hamster Book
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:13:23 GMT

DAZZAMN!!
I'm not gonna touch this one.
==Phyz
From: jwilson@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: New Spin Out
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:01:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.144235.12102@acsu.buffalo.edu>, simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon) writes:
> 	Checking out the cover of the new Spin magazine (May), Beastie Boys is
> on the cover - apparently someone thinks that their new album is their best 
> work yet - guess we'll soon see.
> 	Then there's an article on KRS-One - says that after Ice Cube and 
> X-Clan dissed him on record, he realized he was slippin' - so he had to come 
> back hard. Seems like he was gettin' further away from the rap world with
> the REM and H.E.A.L. projects. As far as I'm concerned "13 and Good" was
> wack. But I'm sure the album had 'nuff beats! 
> 	Also an article on hip-hop culture - who's real and who's fake. Too 
> bad Spin doesn't realize that they're spreading the culture and making it
> weak. Discussion, not falmes, welcome.
> 


**
I'll have to check this issue out.  I'm still bugged over the Source interview.
It's funny how 3 mos. earlier (Oct. or Nov. `91) there was a HEAL interview
that was "oh so positive".  Seems that since nobody is buying that shit he had
to come back hard.  When did Cube diss Chris?  Also, how come we had to wait a
full year to find out about the BDP "break-up", seems muggs was sleepin' on the
Ms. Melodie KRS-1 divorce.  More, later.  I SAID, later mahn!!


==Phyz
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Patrice Simon
> simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
> opnsimon@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Digital Underground in Chapel Hill, Apr 23!!!
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:40:46 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

The Digital Underground will be appearing at the Cat's Cradle in Chapel
Hill, NC Apr 23rd.  DU are my favorite group; their humor and funk just
do me in.  The Cradle is a small place; you can fit maybe 300 people in
there, the sound system is good, and it's pretty easy to get up front if
you want.  Opening for them will be Raw Fusion (I love Money B, and this
is a good album) and Gold Money (a DU spinoff that I've never heard).
  Questions:
1) Has anyone here ever seen DU live before? Do they kick?  How long are
their shows?  How many members show up?  How different are their songs?
Do they encourage a lot  of audience participation? 
2) What about Gold Money?  Who's in this group?
I'll give a full review when the time comes.

--Rob Clough