HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Scott Hannon; PHYS (GRAD))
Subject: Re: QUERY: King Biscuit CD's?
Keywords: RUNDGREN UTOPIA
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:34:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.144449.27631@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov
(Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes:
[deleted]
>
>BTW has anyone seen a Rundgren or Utopia King Biscuit CD for a reasonable
>price?  The King Biscuit CD's used to be (and most still are I believe)
>basically bootleg items (ie some schmuck radio types let 'em slip out the
>back door to be sold by schmuck CD dealers at wildly inflated prices).  Then
>apparently the King Biscuit people wised up and were making *some* of them
>available at reasonable prices.  Anybody know more?
>

The ex-radio station King Biscuit CDs do indeed sell for high prices
($30-100) if you can find them. Because these CDs were so popular with
collectors, KB tried to cash in on the demand by releasing a series
called _The Best of King Biscuit_. At least four volumes were released.
Unfortunately, KB decided to do various artist compilations, and thus
each disc typically had only one song by a given performer/group. I
think they sold rather poorly as a result [who wants to spend $10-15
for potentially only a single song of any interest]. I think they are
currently going out of print.

As far as I remember, the peformers covered by at least one sing include:
Queen; Thin Lizzy; Joe Walsh; BTO; Ted Nugent; Pat Benatar; Rod Stewart;
Foghat; Jethro Tull; etc...

My opinion is that they (KB) would have been better off releasing entire
concerts (one perfomer per CD)....the BBC is apparently having sucess
with their series of Radio One releases.

Scott
-- 
Scott Hannon, Fri Oct 16 1992 (hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu)
From: mwilkenf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Missi Wilkenfeld)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: new NIN "Broken" question
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:24:34 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

ack@coos.dartmouth.edu (Andy J. Williams) writes:
>Now here's a weird one. I bought the new Nine Inch Nails CD "Broken" the day
>it came out. The (really well done) package lists 6 songs. The CD has eight.
>Tracks 1-6 are songs, tracks 7-97 are blank 1 second tracks and tracks 98 and
>99 are the remaining two songs.
>
>That's weird.
>
>What's weirder is that I know two people who also bought it and THEIR copies
>had 1 CD with 6 songs and a second 3" CD with the other 2 on them... 
> what gives?
>
>Did they release different versions to confuse everyone? Did I get some special
>screwed up printing?
>
>-A, confused

Four formats...

Radio 6 track cd-5
Commercial 6 track cd-5 with 3"
           8 track cd-5
           99 track cd -5

all commercial releases got the same music in three different
formats.  All seem to be quite prevelant.

Can anyone get me the UK down in it CD-single?
-- 
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From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: "Aqualung" Gold CD from DCC - release date?
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:30:38 GMT
Reply-To: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


"A New Day" magazine reports that Digital Compact Classics
is releasing Jethro Tull's "Aqualung" on gold CD.

Anyone know WHEN this release is due out?

-- 
aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu  /// :::::::Dan Doooovall:::::::  ///
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From: andym@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Andrew D Milligan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.marketplace,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: WANTED: _Starfleet Project_ by Brian May & Friends (CD)
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:34:31 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.cd
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

In article <BvtG4y.JwC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dlb54694@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Blanchard) writes:
>>The subject says it all.  I believe that this has just gone out of print,
>>but if anyone knows where i could still find a copy (or two) would you
>>please let me know?  The title again is:
>
>>_Starfleet Project_
>>by Brian May & Friends
>
>>I believe that this is an EP CD
>
>
>  This was never available on CD.  It was rumored that it was going to
>  be released on CD earlier this year, but Brian is waiting until his
>  solo album, which was released last week in Europe, is released in
>  the US, February 1993.
>
>  Once again, this has never been released on CD anywhere in the world,
>  only on album back in 1983 and has been long since deleted...
>
>
>-- 
>Dan Blanchard                                    Internet: barfmaster@uiuc.edu  
>site consultant for CCSO                       Bitnet: DBLANCHA@UIUCVMD.BITNET 
>at the University of Illinois   NeXT Voice email: dlb54694@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
>Elton John and Queen fan extra-ordinare

	Well, I can't stand Queen or Brian May (such a dull performer) but just
to finish off this enquiry it will be released on CD as the extra tracks on
the two CD5 versions of his next UK single. Just a marketing ploy to make
his next single appear more popular than it really is.

		A.D. Milligan
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From: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.marketplace,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: **WANTED: Recommendation for Reggae*
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:52:48 GMT
Organization: The Invictus
NNTP-Posting-Host: treefort.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Oct15.022138.19372@CS.ORST.EDU> valhert@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (valhert) writes:
>Can you please suggest the best reggae song or album that I should
>buy?

Although there are hundreds of good reggae albums and many different styles,
the one album which stands out as not only a major landmark in reggae history,
but also one of the best, is the 1972 classic soundtrack from the film "The
Harder They Come".  It contains songs by several seminal reggae greats, but
is usually found under Jimmy Cliff, who did several songs and stared in the
film.  It is still very easy to find on tape and CD.

Dudley
.
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From: dx@netcom.com (dx)
Subject: Re: BMG 800 number (summary)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:28:03 GMT

Kenny Zalewski...

> Thanks for the response.  The number is:
>
> 	(800) 926-2338      or
> 	(800) WAM-ADEU

or (800) YAM-BEET.
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From: zalewk@rpi.edu (Kenny Zalewski)
Subject: Re: BMG 800 number (summary)
Organization: Computer Science Department/Intramural Department at RPI
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:27:03 GMT

In article <!l2zv9=@rpi.edu> zalewk@rpi.edu (Kenny Zalewski) writes:
>Can someone please post the (800) number for BMG compact disc club?  I'd
>like to be able to call them and stop the automatic sending of a selection
>of the month.  Thanks.           -- kennyz

Thanks for the response.  The number is:
	(800) 926-2338      or
	(800) WAM-ADEU

-- 
Kenny Zalewski -- Computer Science Department; Intramural Department
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, 83 Albright Court, Troy, NY, 12180
zalewk@rpi.edu | Kenny_Zalewski@mts.rpi.edu | zalewk@RPITSMTS.bitnet
"Keep your words soft and sweet, in case you have to eat them."
From: robin@matilda.UK.Sun.COM (Robin Haskell-Thomas - Sun EHQ - IR)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Stranglers: In the night
Date: 13 Oct 1992 12:12:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: robin@matilda.UK.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: matilda.uk.sun.com

In article 14537@cv.ruu.nl, rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon) writes:
> Hi.
> 
> Last Saturday, I bought the latest Stranglers' CD: In the Night. The title
> obviously is a pun (Stranglers in the Night), but the music, is IMHO quite
> good. They do sound slightly different than their previous CDs though. 
> 
> My questions:
> 
> - does anyone have a Stranglers CDiscography ?
> - what was the last album before this one ? I have 'Dreamtime' but that is
>   an '86 album. I believe there was a live album in between, but I am not
>   sure.

One reason it may sound different to previous albums is that Hugh Cornwall 
(Singer & lead Guitarist) left a year or two ago and has been replaced by
two new members.

The studio album previous to "In the Night" is "10".There has been a proliferation 
of releases in the last year or so including the following (I forget the tiltles):
	The Early Years - a collection of demos and very early live recordings
	              with appalling sound quality - I bought and wished I hadn't.
	              
	All 12 Inches - a collection of 12 inch singles from Midnight summer dream
	                off the Feline album (1982?) through to stuff off "10"
	                I quite like it.
	                
	Live at the Hope & Anchor - This is a live set from 1977 or 1978 - worth
				    getting. includes "Tits" & "Go Buddy Go" which 
				    did not appear on studio albums.
				    
	There have also been one or two 'Best of's I think.
	
As far as a discography is concerned - this is the first interest I've seen on
the net for The Stranglers. I can list all the albums, but if you want dates and
numbers I could check the stuff I've got.

Roughly in chronological order:-

		Rattus Norvegicus
		No More Heroes
		Live - X Cert
		Black & White
		The Raven
		(Stranglers IV   This was an import in U.K. not on CD)
		Themeninblack
		La Folie
		Greatest Hits (Title unsure)
		Feline
		The U.A. Years (a collection of singles up to about 1982)
		Aural Sculpture
		DreamTime
		All Live & All Of The Night (Live)
		Off The Beaten Track (a collection of b sides - not seen on CD)
		Raraties (more B sides & unreleased stuff)
		10
		The Singles (another best of..)
		All Twelve Inches
		Live At The Hope & Anchor
		The Early Years
		In The Night
		
cheers,
Robin
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:06:56 EDT
From: <LLH111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: CDs are timebombs?
 <1992Oct14.174519.28914@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> <851@dsbc.icl.co.uk>
 <1992Oct15.140202.15648@cunews.carleton.ca>

It is quite a coincidence that this should come up now.  Just today,
I went to my local all-used cd store and talked to the owner about
some odd holes in the aluminum of some of my discs.  He said he's seen
this on many old discs, and calls it 'laser rot'(not because the laser has
anything to do with it, but just because it's cds he's talking about).
The manefestation of the 'rot' is small pinholes which show up when the cd
is held up to a light.  The store owner claims that when these show up on
a cd, they get progressively larger and more numerous.
I also talked to a rep from sony about this, and he said that it is from the
aluminum reacting to the oxygen within the acrylic shell, and that cds
*should* be pressed in an O2-free environ.  By the way, the store owner said
that the first cd pressed ever was Billy Joel's 52nd Street.  Anyone have an
original copy of this?  My own observation is that, regardless of age, some
cds rot, and some do not.  I wonder if I sent the cds back to the manufacturers
if they would replace them?  Maybe I'll try it.
.
Richard
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: mcadamw@coch11.alleg.edu (William McAdams)
Subject: Re: Good CD stores in Pittsburgh
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:59:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.124509.14068@eve.wright.edu> dascalos@eve.wright.edu  
(Andre Agassi) writes:
> I am going to be spending a week in Pittsburgh and I was wondering if
> someone could tell me where some good CD stores are located.  My  
definition
> of good is one that has imports, bootlegs, and/or lotsa cut-outs.  I am
> going to be staying near the airport so could you give me good  
directions
> also.  
> 
> Thanks
> Chuck
>I reccommend 4 stores in Pgh. RECORD-RAMA on McKnight Rd. (above the post  
office). HUGE selection of CD's import etc.. the Top 40 Albums are only  
10.99. Jerry's Records on Forbes Ave. Oakland. Largest collection of used  
CDs in Pgh. For Alt., Punk, Obscure I reccomend Eide's REcords on Liberty  
Ave. Near the Pgh. Convention Center, and my personal Fave store Jim's  
REcords in Bloomfield "about 5-10 mins. "up the road" from Eide's. Jim's  
probably has the most boots, and the best prices on non-Top 40 charted  
releases. These places are pretty easy to find, there are exits for  
McKnight Rd., Convention Center, and Oakland all off of I 279.

BILL

> 
> --
>  
************************************************************************** 
***
>    Chuck Dascalos             Department of Computer Science and  
Engineering
>    Wright State University    Email:dascalos@eve.wright.edu 
>    Dayton, OH                 
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: hunnicu@seq.uncwil.edu (jeff hunnicutt)
Subject: Todd Rundgren "Back to the Bars"
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:54:30 GMT

Does anyone know if the Todd Rundgren album "Back to the Bars"
is available on cd? If so do you have the catalog # and any other
info? Thanks.
-- 
 Jeff Hunnicutt, UNC-Wilmington/Information Systems/Datacommunications 
  \--------------------Wilmington, North Carolina-------------------/   
   hunnic@uncecs.edu hunnicutt@vxc.uncwil.edu hunnicu@seq.uncwil.edu
       "And you and I climb, crossing the shapes of the morning"
From: davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Pink Floyd - When The Tigers Broke Free
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:36:31 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <0PL7RB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> biggles@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Matthew Barton) writes:

>The song is available on one of the promo CDs for Roger Waters
>Berlin Wall concert. It *is* the song from the film, not live
>from the concert.

        The thing is, though, that the version released on the 7" and the CD is
not what appears in the film.  The film has three (I think) verses, each of
which is played at a different point in the film.

        The 7" version of _When_the_Tigers_Broke_Free_ is available on the CD
as well as on the _The_Film_ bootleg (albeit left channel mono only).


-- 
John Davison
davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu
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From: brody@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Adam R. Brody )
Subject: Re: Best buy on CD's
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:02:03 GMT

as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:




>I've been trying to figure out an easy list for deciding where to look for
>CD's first for best buy...

>It seems to me that BMG's "Buy 1, get 2 more free" deal is the best.  Itc
>comes out to between $6-$7  for new CD's.  The only problem is their selection.


How come I'm the only one who never seems to see this deal?  Recently
they gave me a 60% off deal which is about the same thing.  This is
because they gave me a new acct with my work address and I still have
one more disk to go before fulfilling my membership agreement.>-- 
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From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: Re: DOORS ON CD
Organization: Vestek Systems
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 15:52:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.231244.24635@ncar.ucar.edu> kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman) writes:
>> = runem@edb.tih.no writes:
>>
>>Could somebody tell me if JIM MORRISON'S "An American Prayer" is available
>>on CD, and where?
>
>I hope I'm wrong, but I think not.
>Anybody know why?
>-Brian

     What about 'Weird scenes inside the goldmine' ?

     Marcus


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From: jjyyjj@mixcom.com (Thomas Mueller)
Subject: WANTED: Info on Technotronic "Move This" (?) remixes
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:33:07 GMT


I've seen a cassette-single release with Move This (i believe this is the
title) and one or two other songs.  What I'd really like to see, but haven't
found yet, is a CD single with many different versions of this song.  Does
such a beast exist yet?

Thanks.

-- 
Thomas.Mueller@mixcom.com | We love to rave, and it shows. (H.P.Hovercraft)
I used to be gibsonlp@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dean Herman).  Can you say "hacker?"
I still maintain the Skinny Puppy samples list.  Send me e-mail for a copy.
From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (U.F.Orb)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: The Orb: Assassin question
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:02:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.Bw8qvr.1HH
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

ultron@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Andrew H Krieg) writes:

>What the heck are you supposed to get with the latest Orb release,
>"Assassin"?  The outside of the package calls it "Assassin CD set".  Inside
>there are holders for 2 CDs.  However, only 1 holder has a CD in it.  The
>other holder has a cardboard cut-out of a CD which describes Assassin^3.
>Does this A) refer to a 3" CD which should have been included in the package
>(like Nine Inch Nails latest release) or B) is it just an advertisement for
>another CD to be released shortly or C) none of the above and I am clueless?

B. The second CD in the set was released October 12 in England. It includes
3 mixes of Assassin, "Radio 7 edit", "Another Live Version", and
"Chocolate Hills Of Bohol Mix". 

Didn't you actually *READ* the insert? it says "Assassin3 is released
12th October"      Sheesh...

Well, it was *Supposed* to be released the 12th. I bought it on the 11th
in Greenwich Village ;-)... 
-- 
Jason Bilsky   fuzzbox@world.std.com 
"Got enough guilt to start my own religion."
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Help on song in Listerine Commercial---Please!
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 04:31:04 GMT
Organization: None for me, thanks . . . I'm driving.

dht@ccd.harris.com (Danh Tran) writes:

>> "Tarzan Boy", by  Baltimora.  
>
> The song can be found on the CD "The Italo Disco Collection" from ZYX
> label.  (import CD from Germany).  

Which volume of the series, do you know?  (There are at least a couple dozen.)

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
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From: martin@cs.curtin.edu.au (Martin Dougiamas)
Subject: J.J.Cale's tenth album just released!
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:13:14 GMT

Yep.  Those J.J.Cale fans out there who, like me, have been waiting
for the man to make a new album need wait no more.  This week his
tenth album, called "Number 10" :) was just released (down
here in Australia, anyway).  

I bought it today... but it took a few listens to get into. 
The major presence of drum machines and other electronic
instruments is what threw me off most... also titles like
Digital Blues and Artificial Paradise.  But the more I 
listen to it, the more I like it.  It's still the same old
JJ Cale, thank Bob!

I've already transcribed the lyrics and sent them to the
lyrics server at cs.uwp.edu, as part of a completely
updated and corrected set of lyrics for his entire body
of work.  Of course, I only mailed them today... I don't
know how long they'll take to be installed.

BTW, ordering info :  Silvertone Records, #01241415062

Martin

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From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: CDs are timebombs?
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:45:19 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Oct14.093749.13565@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> bjbernstein@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:


>  I recently heard that CDs have a life of about 18 years....

>  Unlike records, which CAN last a VERY long time (if you take care of them 
>and play them only when you need to make a copy of them), CDs supposedly 
>are basically time-bombs. They will be worthless (unplayable) in 18 years 
>time or so.. Is this true? Is this supposed 'Indestructable media' actually 

Ahah!! They've upped the time-limit, have they??
They *used* to claim that CDs would start to deteriorate after 8-10 years.
Now that parts of *my* collection are approaching 10 years old (with *no*
signs of deterioration), they claim that CDs will start to decay at 18
years!!

By the way, *who* is the mysterious "they" who makes all these declarations???
I've been wondering....

Yes, LPs *can* last a very long time, *if* they are never played (each time
you drag a diamond needle across the surface you degrade the sound a little),
and they are stored standing up, without too much pressure on them, and
no extreme temperatures.

But who is willing to go to all that trouble for a medium that you can
only get (in this country) in *used* record bins (ie, a copy that someone
else didn't care much about and probably didn't take very good care of)?

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: Re: BMG - Led Zep Boxed Set
Organization: Vestek Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 16:26:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.233155.4900@vestek.com> marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen) writes:
>     Could someone tell me if they know the # for the
>Led Zeppelin box set (the 4 CD set,not the 3 Cd set),
>and if they ordered it through BMG, did it come complete
>with the book.
>
>     Thanks, Marcus
>
     Got the info, thanks folks. Marcus



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From: clemow@trl.oz.au (Steve Clemow)
Subject: Re: Little River Band's "Time Exposure" -- on
Reply-To: s.clemow@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Laboratories
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:31:26 GMT

In article 718551986@galaxy, leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart) writes:
>To the best of my knowledge the early 1980's Little River Band album
>"Time Exposure" is not available on CD in Europe or America.
>
>[1] Does anybody know if perhaps I'm mistaken (don't think so though), or
>    whether this CD is available in LRB's home continent: Australia?
>
>[2] If it is available in Australia, I would love to come in contact
>    with a kind soul who would be willing to buy and mail that CD to
>    me. E-mail me and we'll work out the details...
>
>Many thanks in advance,
>
>-- 
>Leo Breebaart  (leo @ ph.tn.tudelft.nl)

As far as I know Time Exposure is not available on CD here in Australia
either.  A friend of mine from New Zealand who is a reasonably big LRB fan
got me to look for it here in Melbourne because it wasn't available over there
but no shops had it here either.

It might have been released on CD in GERMANY (why?? - beats me!!) according to
one place who looked it up in the catalogue for me, but they said they weren't
able to order/import it from there (something to do with competing recording
companies I think, but it seemed like a really stupid reason at the time!!).

Anyway, if you do manage to find where they are available, please email me
because I'd definitely be interested in one as well!

cheers,
Steve.

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