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From: "Ignatius Ding" <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Subject:      Update on Shen Tong's Arrest in Beijing
Reply-To: "Ignatius Ding" <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:56:39 GMT
Comments: To: Dennis.D.Lee@Eng.Sun.COM, china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              donovan@csl.sri.com, hknet@cs.wisc.edu, ho@mips.com,
              ifcss%WAM.UMD.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              joseph_ng%5y@hp0200.desk.hp.com, jung_lin%40@hp1900.desk.hp.COM,
              sdc@longhorn.Corp.sun.com, ggach@pandora.sf.ca.us,
              xwu@janus.Berkeley.EDU, cnd-editor@sdsc.edu,
              melody@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com, jchu@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com,
              wuling@s1.msi.umn.edu, li@perry.berkeley.edu,
              jyee@eclair.berkeley.edu, Isaac.Chen@Eng.Sun.COM,
              ide!ide.com!cai@uunet.UU.NET, wwang@mail1.cis.umn.edu,
              china@diva.berkeley.edu

			    * * * News Update * * *

			       September 2, 1992


According to a staffer in Rep. Nancy Pelosi's office in Washington, D.C., one
of her aides has called the American embassy in Beijing inquiring the arrest of
Shen Tong and his associates.  She was told that "the embassy has expressed its
'concerns' to the Chinese government about the incident and nothing else has
been or will be done.  The arrested individuals are Chinese citizens who will
be prosecuted under the Chinese laws."  It appears that the people in the U.S.
embassy will do nothing until Bush administration specifically instruct them to,
if ever.

For those who might be interested to send a fax to the White House to look into
this matter, here is the fax number:

    (202) 456-2461.


Ignatius Ding
SVDC Communications
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: BINLEE%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      signoff
Reply-To: BINLEE%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:33:00 GMT

Please sign me off.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Liu Yuhe <liu@ATMOS.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Shen Tong's arrest
Reply-To: Liu Yuhe <liu@ATMOS.UMD.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:01:37 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Dear Fellows:

     Recently, there are too many debates on the purpose of Mr. Shen
Tong's activity and further debates on China's interests. On my
opinions, Mr. Shen Tong has his rights to do what he wanted to do.
Perhaps his purpose could be being famous. Perhaps he would like to
promote China's democracy. And Perhaps he would just like to test the
reaction of Chinese government on the actions like he did. It doesn't
matter at all. The most important thing is that he does have the rights
to do that. The government should protect his rights rather than arrested
him. Although I don't like Mr. Shen Tong's action at this time, I support
the point of view in the statement of IFCSS that the arrest was abusing
the Human rights.

     I said, I don't like Mr. Shen Tong's action at this time,
based on my understanding of the current situations in China and the
status of CMFN bill US congress. Although whether the US gives MFN to
China depends on the interests of American (not Chinese), Mr. Shen Tong's
action may promote the pass of CMFN bill, which will definitely damage a
lot of innocent people in China and also slow the process of democracy in
China. This is my opinion. Other one may have different opinion so that
he may have his actions which I don't like. If he has the rights to do
what he wants to do, you should respect his rights though you may not
like what he wants. Therefore I urge all CSS to take actions to help Mr.
Shen Tong and other arrested people released as soon as possible.

     Please don't fight even if you may have different opinions with
others.


Yuhe Liu
U. of Maryland

===========================================================================
  From:  Yuhe Liu
  IFCSS Council Member
  Department of Meteorology                Telephone: (301) 405-8045 (O)
  University of Maryland                              (301) 779-0350 (H)
  College Park, MD 20742                   Email:     liu@atmos.umd.edu
===========================================================================
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "Ignatius Ding" <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Subject:      Re: Shen Tong's Arrest Confirmed
Reply-To: "Ignatius Ding" <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:09:32 GMT
Comments: To: Dennis.D.Lee@Eng.Sun.COM, china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              donovan@csl.sri.com, hknet@cs.wisc.edu, ho@mips.com,
              ifcss%WAM.UMD.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              joseph_ng%5y@hp0200.desk.hp.com, jung_lin%40@hp1900.desk.hp.COM,
              sdc@longhorn.Corp.sun.com, ggach@pandora.sf.ca.us,
              xwu@janus.Berkeley.EDU, cnd-editor@sdsc.edu,
              melody@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com, jchu@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com,
              wuling@s1.msi.umn.edu, li@perry.berkeley.edu,
              jyee@eclair.berkeley.edu, Isaac.Chen@Eng.Sun.COM,
              ide!ide.com!cai@uunet.UU.NET, wwang@mail1.cis.umn.edu,
              china@diva.berkeley.edu

				   Briefing

			       September 1, 1992


	In response to the UPI/CBS news reports of the arrest of Shen Tong, Qi
Da- Feng, and Qian Liyan, SVDC launched a fax-letter campaign late last night
to contact key members of the United States Congress, including Majority and
Minority Leaders in the Senate, committee chairpersons, Congressional Human
Rights Caucus, and so on.

	SVDC requested emergency intervention by the federal legislators to
gain the immediate release of the three individuals detained and the safe
return of Shen Tong to his school in the United States.  We understood that the
Congress is in recess so that we asked Chief of Staffs or special assistants,
who are assigned to handle cases like this, to take our plea to the vacationing
legislators wherever they are.	We were very fortunate that we have gotten a
strong and supportive response from the senators and House representatives in
less that twenty-four hours.  On the other hand, we did not hear any action
taken by the Bush administration of behalf of the detainees.  We only can
assume that Mr. Bush and staff are still working on his QUIET DIPLOMACY with
the Chinese Communist regime on his way to Florida and Louisiana!!


Ignatius Ding
SVDC Communications
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: xpeng@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Protest in San Francisco
Reply-To: xpeng@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:09:33 GMT
Comments: cc: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

>Come on, what protest for? The whole event is a successful setup, and Shen Tong
>got what he wanted: to get famous and lend support to his congress friends'
>claim that China deserves sanctions because of the bad HR records. China also
>did not break her promise: it's fine to come back if you don't do it again
>no matter what you had done before. But anyway, a protest will make the setup
>more beautiful and it's not bad to have some excercise after a long time
>break.


>William Deng
-------------
Nice rationale, isn't it?

How about a setup like the following:

A guy loves to be the son of CCP.  It was a real honor and beneficial before.
While, this guy is smart.  He knows it will look stupid of just being the son
of CCP at this time.  So he somehow managed of getting a popular "Democracy
Fighter" mask for himself first.  Then he can be the "Democratic" son of CCP.
So to join the 89's democratic movemont was just a setup for being the
"Democractic" son of CCP.  A nicer setup, isn't it? Shen Tong's setup is so
shallow.  And this guy's vision is so far.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: d0jian01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: "New" policy
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 18:21:44 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville



(This is a borrowed account.)


I don't know whether the message posted by Bo Xiong about CG's new policies to overseas
Chinese students are the translation of the original text, but I do find that
Chinese students are described as having done "harmful" things to China  and
have dong things "wrong". It seems to me that overseas Chinese students are
still considered to be guilty only if they shut up their mouth after they
return. Does this really mean the dvelopment of democracy movement in China?

C.M. Chou

 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Shen Tong's Arrest Confirmed
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:21:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.235553.5544@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

>   2. According to BBC this morning, in the interview with Rose Terrill, who
>has very strong British accent, a border memeber of the Organization  and 
>went China with Shen Tong, Rose Terrill
>said that Shen Tong felt strang that why had not CG interven what He had been
>doing in China for Month before the arrest. It indicated that His purpose of
>the trip was to get arrested, to create another "human Right abuse" incident,
>for the sake of "Protection Bill".
>   4. In this scheme, they even had coded word for their success: "Is this
>Andrea" to indicate Shen was arrested;
>   5. Qute Marshall Strauss after their success, in a conference: "The Chinese
>are faced with a public relations disaster and the rest of the world must
>exert presure for his(shen) release". That is the real purpose, "PR disaster"
>for the Chinese.
>

I view it differently. First Shen Tong is obviously not for PR in his
trip to China. Most PRers are for good life in America (nothing to blame,
human nature). He is not that type of person. He is a Robinson. He
is adventurous.

His arrest may actually benefits the course of Protection Bill, but I
doubt it was his original purpose. In fact, I personally admire his
courage because I don't have it. I believe he is a hero and I am not.

He is not a pupet, he is a soldier, a willing soldier. I think he
has some belief in his heart, although not as sophisticated as yours.
His act is quite pure, he is only 24 years old.

Xiao Li

Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Rong Zhen Kuang <RZKUANG@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: Rong Zhen Kuang <RZKUANG@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:51:00 GMT

Sign me off please!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Hand NBC an 8-year jail sentence
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:43:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.004003.17572@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>In article <BtnvxH.7Ir@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Yuan M Jiang <ymj1@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU> writes:
>>Great, Beijing Daily has finally followed IFCSS' call.
>>
>>Beijing Daily has convicted NBC for rumor muggling.
>>NBC should have not forgotten that Xiao1 Bin1 was
>>sentence for an 8 year in jail for spreading
>>rumors in the summer of 1989.  Yes, put NBC in the reform through
>>labor camp and force it to produce US-bound export goods.
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>2. Beijing Daily Rips U.S. Media's Olympic Coverage .................... 42
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>	I fully agree that NBC's insinuations about the Chinese female
>swimmers were totally unsupported and out of place. The outrage on
>the part of Chinese all over the world is justified. (I'm an American.)
>
>	*However*, a single article weeks after the end of the Games is a 
>pathetic response. Here's what the Chinese government should have done 
>while the Olympics were still in progress:
>
>	It should have called an international news conference, blasted
>NBC and any other news organizations who made similar accusations, and
>announced that China welcomes, in fact *demands*, year-round, random
>drug testing for Olympic athletes in *all* nations starting immediately.
>
>	Such a response would have put to rest all doubt and embarrassed
>NBC in front of the entire world. The wimply little article whose header
>is atop my posting will be read mostly by Chinese, and the real audience
>should be Americans. You may rejoice, but the official Chinese response
>is like talking real big long after your opponent has called your mother 
>a whore and gone home untouched.
>
>	Furthermore, the failure to challenge NBC and America on the spot 
>to year-round random tests had the unfortunate consequence of making the 
>Chinese swimmers look guilty of the charge in the eyes of (an already 
>prejudiced) many. (Please don't flame me for claiming they're guilty: I'm 
>NOT saying that.)
Chinese Government has very clumsy "propaganda system", comparing West's 
"phsychological warfare" technique.


Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: xc17@quads.uchicago.edu (xiaoyong  chai)
Subject: Re: Shameful Speculations
Reply-To: xc17@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:10:23 GMT

In article <Bu0IFA.Co6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.032416.28929@athena.mit.edu> liu9yong@athena.mit.edu () writes:
>>
>>What purposes does Shen Tong's China trip serve?
>>A. setup a fund for China democracy
>>B. embarrase Chinese government
>>C. visit family
>>D. improve Chinese' human rights conditions
>>E. improve China's economic conditions
>>F. become more famous himself
>>G. help push "protection bill"
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>H. serve some "special interest" group
>>I. others (please name it)
>>
>>liu9yong@athena.mit.edu
>
>I see none of above as an violent action aiming at overturning the
>government. It does not make sense to me to arrest him, regardless
>right or wrong for what he was trying to do (different people have
>different opinion to different things).
>
Just one addition

What heck in this world is this cranky logic "G"?  Is there anybody
who care to spell it out?

Perhaps, the human right is the only remaining common ground between 
pro and con bill people. Could we just truce a bit, speak out for this 
fundemantal  principle for just a second, at least to show that we have
been honest with the principles.  you guys have plenty of
time to fight over the bill later.

It is too obvius to understand some folks are hurt from the bill, mostly
morally , some having to do with  interests. But taking advantage of
such hurt to defame Shen Tong is way out of line and despicable.

Xiaoyong Chai
From U of Chicago

Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: ST@linguist.umass.edu
Subject:      Protest against the arresting of SHEN Tong
Reply-To: ST@linguist.umass.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:48:41 GMT
Comments: To: China-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

I don't want to argue what the motive of SHEN Tong's returning is (for human
rights / want to become more famous / used as a tool by someone else, etc.),
nor do I want to argue whether the timing is appropriate (whether it's good for
China's human right condition improvement / economic development, etc.).
These are controversial topics.  People may discuss, argue or debate, --
I hope in a friendly and constructive atmosphere.  Some may wish to do more for
the inprovement of current human right condition, others may wish more work on
economic development and academic exchange, etc.  That's okay.  A society needs
various people.  China needs various people.  Democracy needs people working
in various ways.

What is less controversial is, I hope, that we should protest against PRC
government's arresting of SHEN Tong and his two colleagues.  This should be
the general consent of all, at least most, of people who truely believe,
advocate, work or fight for the human right condition inprovement and
democracy in China.

Freedom of speech, press and association should be respected.
No matter what SHEN Tong's motive is, no matter whether the timing is good or
bad, he has the RIGHT to do that.  That's one of the basic human rights.
PRC government's arresting SHEN Tong and two other people shows once more that
it is a totalitarian government and that the human right condition in China is
very bad.  When most of Chinese people in China do not have the chance (do not
dare) to publicly express their opinions different from the government's, we,
overseas Chinese students and scholars should make our voice clearly.

another SHEN Tong
an ordinary student in Linguistics Dept, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "Ignatius Ding" <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Subject:      Re: Shen Tong's Arrest Confirmed
Reply-To: "Ignatius Ding" <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:46:37 GMT
Comments: To: Dennis.D.Lee@Eng.Sun.COM, china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              donovan@csl.sri.com, hknet@cs.wisc.edu, ho@mips.com,
              ifcss%WAM.UMD.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              joseph_ng%5y@hp0200.desk.hp.com, jung_lin%40@hp1900.desk.hp.COM,
              sdc@longhorn.Corp.sun.com, ggach@pandora.sf.ca.us,
              xwu@janus.Berkeley.EDU, cnd-editor@djohn-sun.kent.edu,
              melody@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com, jchu@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com,
              wuling@s1.msi.umn.edu, li@perry.berkeley.edu,
              jyee@eclair.berkeley.edu, Isaac.Chen@Eng.Sun.COM,
              ide!ide.com!cai@uunet.UU.NET, wwang@mail1.cis.umn.edu,
              china@diva.berkeley.edu

      This is a follow-up report to the UPI/CBS news report regarding the
confirmed arrest of Shen Tong in Beijing at 1:30AM, Tuesday Beijing time, or
1:30PM/EDT, Monday.  According to Marshall Strauss, Executive Director of the
Democracy for China Fund of Newton, Mass, two other individuals, Qi Da-Feng and
Qian Liyan (wife of dissident student Xiong Yang), were also arrested along
with Shen at his family's home.

      Please call or fax an emergency plea immediately to the U.S. senators of
your state, or members of national parliament if you live outside of the United
States.  We must act quickly.  These three courageous young fellows might be
saved from severe tortures if we can generate enough pressure in the
international community.


Ignatius Ding
SVDC Communications
From: CNEWS@conan.ie.orst.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: China's Interests
Date: 4 Sep 92 05:02:27 GMT
Reply-To: CNEWS@conan.ie.orst.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Comments: To: xpeng@ATHENA.MIT.EDU, CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

> ...
> W.Deng wrote "It is very strange that so many CSS enjoy bashing China ..."

> If W.Deng  stick to what he wrote show people the evidence to support his
> accusing of "so many CSS enjoy bashing China".
>
> If Z.Li thinks so please help W.Deng to collect those evidence.
>
> Whenever W.Deng could prove his accusation I would retrack my article and
> offer W.Deng the appology about my misunderstanding of "so many CSS".
>
> I really don't perceive that "so many CSS enjoy bashing China".
>
> What I see is that so many CSS are bashing CCP and it's not strange at all in
> 1990's.
>
  You are absolutely right!  I think what W.Deng wants to do is to catch the
  fish under dirty water.  What he wants to protect is the interests of CCP,
  NOT China's Interests!

  John Xu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Derek Hu <derekhu%spock.usc.edu@USC.EDU>
Subject:      My two cents about SHEN TONG
Reply-To: Derek Hu <derekhu%spock.usc.edu@USC.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:57:17 GMT
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

The following is my observations and reflection on Shen Tong's arrest.

1.  Shen Tong, as a Chinese citizen, has the RIGHTS entitled under the
    Chinese constitution, of free expression and free association.
    Unless there are other evidences, Shen's action is inside the boundary
    of the constitution.  Whether Shen planed his return, whether you and
    I agree or disagree with him does not change this basic fact.

2.  The Chinese goverment has the duty to protect people's basic rights.

3.  Unfortunately, the current leadership, many of them were directly
    responsible for the infamous Tiananmen Masscre, choose again to
    violate people's right by arresting Shen Tong. Thus put Chinese
    poeple's interest, such as MFN etc, into grave danger.

4.  Chinese leadership arrests Shen Tong under its own schedule.  Nobody
    forced this decision into Li Peng or Deng Xiaoping.  Any consequence
    from this arrest should solely rest on the shoulders of current
    leadership.

5.  I may or may not support SHEN Tong's act or its timing. But I consider
    any violation of my fellow CSS's right as a grave matter that
    deserves condemnation.

6.  All neters on this netland has the right to express their
    opinions, including supporting or disagreeing with SHEN Tong.

7.  Some people, like T. Bao, C. Shi and William Deng, rushed out
    conspiracy theories when they knew little about the event.
    I noticed that their psychic readings came out even
    before Chinese goverment announces its reason for SHEN's arrest.
    They remind me of the Chinese phrase "Lo Jin Tou Shi"
    (Throw the stones to people falling inside a well).
-Derek Hu
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: RE: A reply to xpeng's attack
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:50:00 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Btxuoq.D45@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, dnmao%mich.hepnet%LBL.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu writes...
>Xiao Deng,
> 
>I am really feeling sympathy for you and your family. You must have been
>mad for once, either in 1986 or now. Let me tell you a simple fact, you
>educated guy: Chen GongBo was one of the twelve (or thirteen?) CCP
>representatives at 1th Congress in 1921. However, in his thesis for master
>degree at Coulumbia University in 1925, he said almost everything against
>CCP. So, do not tell us your glorious history (who knows anyway!) to prove
>you are not the son of CCP. You talked about promise in your first mail.
>That is kind of promise like 'if you do not shit I won't cut off your ass
>hole'. How we should appreciate for the existence of our ass hole! However,
>our ass hole is still  not safe because as we all know we must shit and
>eventually lose the ass hole. Therefore, do not blame others who lost their
>ass hole while you are sitting on your toilet, reading PLAYBOY or something
>like that. (Sorry, I could not found any civilized language because it is
>already taken by you guys to make shit! --- again, shit ;^) )
> 
>BTW, A source told me that your main motivation to participate the student
>movement in 1986 was to seduce a daughter of a high rank official. Is that
>true? I would rather not believe it so that we can still have the conclusion
>mentioned at the beginning of this message. 8-(
> 
>Lao Mao (Dongning)
> 
>P.S. You might call me another attacker, and I might be. But my target is
>here, not in the CCP's prison.
I am terribly sorry Mr. Dongning for your attitude in this serious political 
discussion. Let's assume that Mr. Xiao Deng is a sun of CCP. Should he
subject to your dirty attack? We are all saying that we believe democratic
principles. However, look at what we are doing to each other? 
I posted several articles in soc.culture.china to ask all the people 
involved in the serious political discussions in both net group to
be neater, nicer to each other. If ourselves are so messy and dirty,
how could we have a chance to make China neat and clean? Behave ourselve.
Before we really change the mentality of ourselves, we really will not
have any chance to change anything else.
c.q., A Sun of A CCP Member.
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