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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: Ron Dennis on aggression (was Re: Andretti signs for McLaren)
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:16:58 GMT

In article <BuKxCy.9xC@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Cory James Padfield) writes:
|> wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:
|> >I assume most r.a.s. readers watched ESPN's coverage of Monza, and
|> >therefore saw the news conference in which Ron Dennis stated that
|> >there were five drivers in the world with the necessary aggression
|> >in working through traffic.  He stated that Michael Andretti was one
|> >of the five.
[ ... ]
|> >Now, let's speculate on who Ron counts as the other four.
|> >[1.] Senna
|> >[2.] Nigel
|> >That leaves two.  Who could they be...
|> 
|> [3.] Mike Schu

Having agreed with Dave and Cory so far, how about the last one:
Jean Alesi?  (Sorry, Brundle fans:  I assume he could be on the list,
too.  Or even a favorite of mine, Gerhard Berger.  After all, Dennis
wanted to keep him after Ayrton's departure ... )

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From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Spoilers as subject
Date: 14 Sep 1992 00:32:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
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In a previous article, as789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Francisco J. Diaz) says:

> Damn Man! Couldn't you be a little more polite? This is my
>first time in this group and my first post. I didn't know
>anything about the subject! Pardon me for doing something wrong
>but I think you could've let me know some other and gentler
>way! Anyways, Thanks for being so rude on other people's
>mistakes..I'm sure you too have made them before. I also
>apologize to anyone else whose race day has been ruined by my
>message, gotta understand that I'm a rookie in this group just
>like you were at first...

Forget about him.  You really didn't do anything wrong.
Anyway, welcome to rec.autos.sport.  One word of wisdom though:
People get upset when you say something negative about Senna or
Schumacher.  That's all you really have to remember.
I look forward to your future posts.
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:23:15 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
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Mark Giaquinto (wolf@pioneer.unm.edu) wrote:
: Maybe, just maybe, but that would leave Newman-Hass with out a driver,
: who would replace them.  

[...]

: 
: Any other guesses?????

Ayrton Senna. Well, why not?

pete
: 
: >JD
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: The Andretti Shuffle
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:16:53 GMT

Now this is really crazy, but wouldn't it be most refreshing
to have a wholesale cleansing in IndyCars and call up some
guys/gals from the minors, such as Fernandez, Buhl, Freon,
Herta, Smith...as well as some names from FAtlantic, F3000,
etc.

Would be interesting, to say the least.

-c'ball-


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From: dave@monitor.larc.nasa.gov (Dave A. Hinde)
Subject: Re: CART in PA?
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:25:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.155621.8969@msc.cornell.edu>, mike@msc.cornell.edu (Mike Heisler) writes:
|> I am interested in going to the CART race on Oct. 4 in PA.  Anyone got
|> a phone number or address to get ticket and schedule info?
|> 
|> I noticed it is at Pennsylvania Inter. Raceway, is that formerly Pocono
|> or is this another place?
|> 
|> Mike Heisler		607-255-7344	    mike@msc.cornell.edu
|> Materials Science Ctr.	302 Thurston Hall   Cornell Univ, Ithaca, NY 14853-1503
|> 
This is the former Langhorne Raceway, in Bucks County, PA.  It's about an hour
south of Pocono, closer to Philadelphia.

I'm also interested, possibly only for Saturday.  I'll be in the area that day.

                                      ___/,@___  Dave Hinde, Last Minute Racing
                                     /_o_____o_| dave@monitor.larc.nasa.gov
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From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: Monza race - here lie SPOILERS !!!
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:41:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.044731.16017@DIALix.oz.au> ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig) writes:

>>I not accusing anyone of anything, but I find it strange that Patrese's
>>engine would falter very late in the race when he is about to take
>>victory, after having the best car on the circuit from the start of
>>the race, after Mansell drops out, and this happens to him just after
>>passing the pits going down the straight, and later his engine miraculously
>>recover with 2 laps to go.  I wonder if the Renault engineers purposely
>>played with his engine to slow him down from the pits.  

If you watched the BBC broadcast, you wouldn't think this way.  They
had interviews with Mansell right after his retirement where he said
that he was going to let Patrese win.  The ESPN broadcast didn't get
the important details again.  The BBC guys found out that the active
suspension on Patrese's car had failed at the front and locked into
the max. height position.  I guess the car must have been pretty rough
with zero travel.  The sparks coming out of the back of his car is a
pretty good indication that this was indeed what happened and nothing
related to the engine.

Methinks that Williams, after winning both titles have slacked off a
wee bit.

>Also, Mansells comments that he was going to "give" the race to Patrese
>anyway (he said this after he went out) seemed a bit weird.  If he was
>going to do that, why did he race off at the start ?

To make it look more dramatic.  "Lookit, I *am* faster than Patrese.
See how generous I am, giving away a *big* lead?"

> Why did Patrese
>catch up 13 seconds (or whatever it was) in one lap.

Maybe that was when he decided to let Patrese through?

>Why would he let Patrese win ?

Because it was Patrese's home GP, and you all know how passionate the
Italians are.

>McLaren/Honda giving Berger inferior equipment is one thing.  Stuffing his
>car up so he can't race is another - it would not have happened.

Berger is officially #2 at McL.  He gets the inferior equipment.  I don't
think that anybody did anything malicious to his car.

>>Who clipped Schumacher's right half front wing at the start.

>It looked like one of the Ligiers - probably Boutsen.

It looked like one of the Lotuses to me from the aerial shot (not shown
on ESPN), but I'm not sure.

>All in all, a very good race.

Senna's post race interview was also good sober stuff.  My respect for
him is climbing.  Seems like Prost is the villain for '93, but I'd still
like to see him back in winning form.


eliot


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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Re: F1: Schumacher's gearbox technique
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:09:39 GMT
Keywords: Hey, let's talk about racing for a while, instead of politics.

skod@trenco.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott Griffith, Sun Lumpyware) writes:

>One of the most enjoyable things about the coverage of Monza was the
>extensive use of in-car shots, and the fact that the producers finally
>managed to sync up the audio with the video for once (in the past,
>it's been common to hear a Honda V12 screaming up through the box,
>while _seeing_ a V8-powered Benetton under heavy braking for a corner-
>confusing as hell).

>Anyway, as a sometimes, part-time driver of open wheeled cars, I got a
>huge kick out of listening to Schumacher on the in-car as he
>downshifted for corners. Rather than blipping the throttle and running
>down the box (e.g., <blip> 6-5, <blip> 5-4, etc.), it appeared to me
>as if he simply does a MAMMOTH blip (right up against the rev-limiter-
>the RL indicator light comes on on the dash!), and pulls against the
>lever until... WHAM he has the gear. And he did this all race long- he
>didn't just start at the end, when you would expect his brake pedal to
>be getting a bit long, and his technique to suffer maybe a bit.

>It was amusing as hell to listen to the motor scream right up against
>the rev limiter for a half a second or so, until his all-at-once 6-3
>downshift dropped in for Ascari, or the Curva Grande. All I can say is
>that it's a good thing that the HB is a tough little package, and I'm
>_very_ glad that I'm not the Benetton gearbox specialist. Very happy
>indeed! There are shock loads in that driveline like you read about-
>every metallurgist's nightmare. I forget whose gearbox guts the
>Benettons are using in their own cases, but they must be Godlike
>engineers to come up with something that will take that kind of abuse.

>And to think that I thought that manhandling the Hewland in the FF and
>F2000 cars I've driven took _finesse_. I musta been doing it _all
>wrong_. Wonder what James Young Stewart would think of that?

>-skod

>--
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>expatriate SCCA New England Region Flagging/Communications worker
>(and sometimes driver, of anything that turns both right and left,
>and can pass tech...) Return Path : skod@trenco.Eng.Sun.COM

	Alain Prost downshifts in the same manner- straight from 6-3,
only without abusing the driveline as much. He never engine brakes, just
puts it in neutral, selects his gear, and drops the clutch...

Regards, 
Cory

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From: koopman@fys.ruu.nl (Rob Koopman)
Subject: Re: Andrea Moda
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:21:50 GMT

In <1992Sep9.081935.26731@abo.fi> TBACKMAN@finabo.abo.fi (Timo B{ckman PRA) writes:


>According to some newspapers, the Andrea Moda team isn't allowed to
>run cars in the remaining GP's of the 1992 season. The head of the
>team, Andrea ****, has been arrested for some economic problems.

**** = Sasseti, who looks like he was born in Palermo  (' has a good
taste for women though)
Rob Koopman ('Autosprint' subscriber)              
Utrecht Univ., Netherlands
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From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Re: Hart Engines
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 01:40:49 GMT

In <716550857.24812@minster.york.ac.uk> pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:

>Dan Jones (danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com) wrote:
>: Cory James Padfield writes:
>: 
>: > 	Like everyone else who saw the ESPN broadcast, I heard the
>: >rumor about Barnard and/or Doc P. suggesting using Brian Hart V-10's.
	(... in Ferrari F1's next year)

>There have been persistent rumours about a Hart V10 over this side of the
>pond for a couple of years now. TOMS Toyota were linked to it at one time.

In AutoSport a few weeks ago (we get them 3/4 weeks late down here), it was
reported that John Barnard, when he was working for TOMS on their F1 project,
suggested that they use the Hart V10 while Toyota built a new F1 V10
(apparently the SWC V10 won't do the job).  Maybe this is what ESPN heard,
and got confused.

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From: as789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Francisco J. Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Spoilers as subject
Date: 13 Sep 1992 23:58:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


  Just a while ago trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell) wrote
this:
 
FD> And today's Indy race was won by E. Fittipaldi, P. Tracy
   second and Al
FD>Unser Jr. finished third taking over the PPG cup points lead
   by a single
FD>point over Bobby Rahal...Rahal crashed 9 laps into the race
   and Michael
FD>Andretti had engine failure at the halfway point of the race.
   Now the points
FD>battle is very very tight...This one will go down to the last
   race! Curiously
FD>enough, there has been rumours that Newman/Haas racing will
   buy Little Al's
FD>contract from Rick Galles and have him drive together with
   Mario...What do
FD>you all think about all this? :-)
 
 TR>    I think you're a bastard for completely spoiling this
   race for me,
 TR>that's what I think!  Have you ever heard of putting
  "spoilers" in the
 TR>subject line when you post race results on the SAME DAY?
 
 Damn Man! Couldn't you be a little more polite? This is my
first time in this group and my first post. I didn't know
anything about the subject! Pardon me for doing something wrong
but I think you could've let me know some other and gentler
way! Anyways, Thanks for being so rude on other people's
mistakes..I'm sure you too have made them before. I also
apologize to anyone else whose race day has been ruined by my
message, gotta understand that I'm a rookie in this group just
like you were at first...
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From: scolucci@vax1.tcd.ie
Subject: Re: Jordan F1
Organization: Trinity College Dublin
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:13:12 GMT

In article <10702296.12.716186870@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 10702296@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (DECLAN MC) writes:
> Can someone please tell me why Jordan dropped Ford engines and picked up 
> Yamaha? This was their worst decision of '92.  With 3 new teams coming in 
> next season and the car going as bad as it is, how are they going to compete?
> 
The Jordan team were always pissed that their engine specs were always a 
couple of generations behind those of Bennetton. But the final straw was 
at Spa last season, Andrea de Cesaris was running second and gaining on a
partially gearless Senna when the V8 inexplicably blew out. It transpired
later that Ford had made some adjustments to the cooling system just prior
to the race without informing the Jordan team - certain legal bods did, and
probably are still getting rich re. same.
Yamaha, as it turned out, were at the time looking for a chassis manufacturer
with whom they could participate in a long-term development project for their
V12. Jordan were looking for an engine manufacturer who would guarantee them
their best attention, and Jordan-Yamaha came to being. I think that most would
agree with me that there is still *some* development to be done (although the 
chassis is reportedly superb as it is).

> Also, can someone explain to me why they are using a motorcycle type gearbox?
> This has to be sheer lunacy! Did Yamaha have anything to do with this?
> 
This is an in-house Jordan development. Apparently, its main feature is that
it can be converted to a semi-automatic system fairly instantly, should they 
want to. It's actually working fairly well now after the early season glitches.

> Finally, what a pity 7-UP don't sponsor Jordan any more,I could hardly pick 
> them out all season.
> 
Well, that's business for you. Eddie Jordan targetted 7UP for last season as
he wanted a company with green as its main colour to emphasise the Irishness
of his team. (Ford, incidentally, had a significant historical association
with Ireland). The current livery of blue, white, and psychedelic pink is
reasonable enough, though it tends to be indistinguishable from that of the
Ligiers at a distance.

> Sorry about all the questions but I NEED some answers!
> 
No problem, Happy to oblige!
Regards,
Serge.
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From: hodges@Breakaway.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Hodges)
Subject: searching for Saliel (sp?) in South San Francisco (Canadian GP Tape)
Followup-To: hodges@Breakaway.Stanford.EDU
Organization: networking systems
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:20:55 GMT

A person who's name started with "S" (Saliel (sp?)) in South San Francisco loaned me a tape of the Canadian GP. I missplaced the email msgs we exchanged and no longer have the return address to use to return the tape. If you're that person, please send me email or call at...

hodges@Breakaway.Stanford.EDU  
415-723-2452

...and I'll get your tape back to you.

thanks!

Jeff


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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: Who's at Newman-Haas (was: Andretti signs for McLaren)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  9 Sep 1992 08:44 EST  

In article <1992Sep8.235256.2693@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, 
unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks) writes...

>Rob U, Indy NEEDS an Andretti to dominate and break.... come on John!

Come on Rob, we all know that John is the "white sheep" of the family :-)

JD
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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: '93 IndyCar Schedule - Houston date
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:27:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.120449.1@vf.jsc.nasa.gov> percer@vf.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>Just how firm is the Houston date??? I have not heard anything about this from
>this local media here in Houston.

Well, the whole schedule was called tentative, and this was from AutoWeek,
so....

And AW says the Houston race will be promoted by Andy Schlenker, promoter of
the old Denver street race.

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From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Ron Dennis on aggression (was Re: Andretti signs for McLaren)
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:45:02 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)

In article <1992Sep9.201557.1233@b8.b8.ingr.com> drhall@b8.b8.ingr.com (Dave Hall) writes:
>Glad to see an American in Formula 1 again! I wonder how long
>those F-1 prima donnas wil tolerate MA's aggressive style!!!
>

I assume most r.a.s. readers watched ESPN's coverage of Monza, and therefore saw
the news conference in which Ron Dennis stated that there were five drivers in
the world with the necessary aggression in working through traffic.  He stated
that Michael Andretti was one of the five.

So, in Ron Dennis' opinion at least, MA's aggressive style is a requirement for
being a winning driver, not something to be "tolerated".  What the other drivers
will think (presumably you meant the drivers when you used the phrase "prima
donnas"?) we will have to wait to see.

Now, let's speculate on who Ron counts as the other four.  It seems reasonable
to assume he would include Senna.  After all, he's seen fit to employ Senna as
his number one for a while.  Also, Senna has been renowned for his ability to
slice through backmarkers.

That leaves three.  It is only my guess, but I would expect him to include Nigel
on his short list.  Of all the criticism hurled at him, lack of aggression when
passing has NEVER been mentioned!  Too much aggression when passing Senna, maybe.
Or trying to pass him, to be precise.

That leaves two.  Who could they be...

Dave Wilson
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From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Subject: Re: Jordan F1
Organization: Toshiba America MRI Inc, S. San Francisco, CA.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 03:03:54 GMT

In article <10702296.12.716186870@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10702296@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (DECLAN MC) writes:
>Can someone please tell me why Jordan dropped Ford engines and picked up 
>Yamaha? This was their worst decision of '92.  With 3 new teams coming in 
>next season and the car going as bad as it is, how are they going to compete?

	Money.  Jordan had to buy the Ford engines.  Yamaha offered Jordan
	their engine for free..

>Also, can someone explain to me why they are using a motorcycle type gearbox?
>This has to be sheer lunacy! Did Yamaha have anything to do with this?
>
>Finally, what a pity 7-UP don't sponsor Jordan any more,I could hardly pick 
>them out all season.
>
>Sorry about all the questions but I NEED some answers!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>        								
>			


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From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: Re: Indy and "rookies" [was Re: M. Andretti, what a deal for Mclaren!!]
Organization: Institute Of Planetary Metaphilisometrics
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:22:15 GMT

Chuck Fry writes:
>|> I'm so tempted to say something snide... but I won't.
>|> as The Speedway.  The difference between a winner and a crasher there
>|> is often a matter of inches.  Name any track on the F1 circuit with as
>|> little margin for error.

The difference between a winner and a crasher at most tracks, in most types
of facing, is often a "matter of inches". Look at *ANY* of the walled street
circuits. For sheer terror, look at the Motorcycle Races on the street
circuit on the Isle Of Man. Look at Spa in the rain.

At Indy, because of the design of the track, the cars are going well in
excess of 225 mph. Also because of the design of the track, an accident
frequently means frontal impact. Because of the design of the cars, these
frontal impacts mean serious injury to the driver, regardless of their
life experience. 

This was once the case in F1. The rules changed and the foot box was 
both relocated and strengthened. Additionally, carbon fiber tubs are 
*MUCH* stronger (and unfortunately, expensive) than the tubs used at
Indy.

Due in part to the efforts of J.Stewart and N.Lauda, the tracks also
changed. Compare the effectiveness of these new gravel pits to the
grass run-offs at, for example, Watkins Glen. 

I don't enjoy reading rehabilitation reports about any driver. I don`t
like reading about the hand control systems the older drivers need 
because their legs/feet were destroyed in an accident.

What *IS* needed are some changes to improve the safety of the drivers
at Indy. Indy's strength lies in its age. Indy's greatest liability is
also the age of the track and need for updating. Let's just hope that
no more drivers are seriously injured because of inadequate or out of
date rules and/or engineering.

-- 
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