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From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Recommendation for bullet-proof vest wanted.
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:23:47 GMT
Organization: gte

In article <1992Sep21.030646.6483@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
# amoreno%ocf.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Andre S. Moreno) writes:
# #likely to encounter on the street. Most street punks will be carrying .38's or
# #9mm's. Those who carry bigger guns, go after bigger fish. They do not have 
# #much incentive to mess with most civilians. 
# 
# Is there some kind of occupational newsletter that tells punks not to
# buy or steal .357s?    %^)
# 
# I was not aware of any such trend or rule.
# 

#From _USA_Today_, Wednesday, June 3, 1992 -- page 4A

*NATIONLINE* The 'six-shooter' is still No. 1


Top 18 handguns used by criminals:

The federal BATF traced 56,509 handguns for law enforcement 
agencies in 1990-1991.  Here, in descending order, are the 18 
handguns (12 semi-autos, 6 revolvers) most frequently traced, 
as described by the ATF:

 1  .38/.357, Smith & Wesson.
 2  MP-25, Raven Arms.
 3  P-380, P-32, Davis Industires.
 4  9mm, Smith & Wesson.
 5  .45-cal., Colt.
 6  .38/.357 (Magnum), Ruger.
 7  .38/.357 (Magnum), Colt.
 8  9mm, Beretta.
 9  TEC-9, Intratrec.
10  9mm, Ruger
11  RG, Rohm [revolver].
12  .357 Magnum, Taurus.
13  Titan .25-cal, FIE. [semi-auto]
14  .22-cal, Jennings Firearms.
15  Mac11/Streetsweeper, SWD
16  9mm, Taurus
17  .38-cal., Rossi.
18  Glock17, Glock.


************************************'

2 points, first it looks the list is created by manuf./type 
(revolver/semi-auto).  Second, since when the hell is the
Streetsweeper a handgun????????

.357s made it on the list a lot of times.  I know that lumping
them with .38s artificially inflates the number of times
they appear, but even if just the Taurus .357 Mag was on the
list, it would still be the 12th most popular -- not something
to ignore.

And you might want to remember that if "those who carry
bigger guns" just happen to come across you, they won't 
reallly care that you're not bigger fish.



-- 
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no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
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From: smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Rifling Twist Angles - stability
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:23:37 GMT
Organization: who knows

toby@milton.u.washington.edu (Toby Bradshaw) writes...
#... 
#About the only way to get a higher BC without going to a longer
#bullet (assuming the form factors are already pretty good) is
#to go to a larger caliber.  Maybe that's why some hunter class
#shooters are using those Speedy Gonzales 110gr match bullets
#in their short .308 cases...with S-L-O-W twists (like 1:16).

I thought that BC is proportional to mass/drag and going to larger but 
relatively light bullets would increase drag faster than mass and therefore
decrease BC.
From: kknox@logdis1.hq.aflc.af.mil (Kevin P. Knox)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Citizenship
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:27:16 GMT

You recently wrote to rec.guns -

#Is being a Citizen of the USA a prerequisite to being permitted to
#legally own or purchase firearms ?  What standing does a legal alien
#on permanent resident status have in this regard ?  Are these Federal
#issues or local, State, municipal issues ?
#
#Any information on this subject would be appreciated.
#
#                                        Thank You, Werner B.
#

Werner,

I looked this info up in the Guide To Federal Firearms Regulation
(1988 - 89) and here is what it said.  I hope it helps.  In a previous
post, Donald Newcomb basically answered this in a nutshell.  For state
and local info, I would start with your state's attorney general's
office.  You can usually find that number in the blue pages of the
phone book under government offices.

********************************************************************

               SALE OF FIREARMS TO
               ALIENS IN THE UNITED
                      STATES

                A. Domestic Sales

        In order to purchase firearms in the Unit-
ed States, an alien must:

        a. Be 18 years of age (21 for handguns);

        b. Provide suitable identification;

        c. Complete  ATF  Form  4473,   Firearms
Transaction Record;

        d. Be a resident of the State in which the
firearm purchase is made; and

        e.  Observe all applicable State and local
laws.

        An  alien  who  is legally in  the  United
States  will be considered to be a resident  of  a
State  for  the purpose of complying with the  Gun
Control  Act  if  he has  resided  in  that  State
continuously   for   at  least  90   days   before
purchasing a firearm.   Note, however, that even a
legal resident alien who has lived in the U.S. for
many  years  will  have  to wait  90  days  before
purchasing  a firearm if he changes his  State  of
residence.



From:           wb@mtqua.att.com (Werner Baumgartner)
Subject:        Citizenship ?
Organization:   AT&T
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Novice's Ramblings
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:19:34 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

STX@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU (Kevin Whyte) writes:
#there that buy glocks, invest in a brass bore brush.  Now a question about 
#using hoppes 9 or any other solvent on the plastic portions of the Glock are 
#they all safe to use on it. (I do not want to  restart the plastic vs polymer 
#vs what-the-hell-is-a-glock-made-out-of? debates again. Just the facts please

	Purchace some Berryman Brake Cleaner, 22 oz for $4.  Use it outside.  
It strips grime off immediately and won't harm the plastic.   The brand 
isn't important, but there are different mixes.   Get the kind with
1,1,1, Trichlorethane.

Jim Del Vecchio
From: wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .308 PISTOL
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:27:53 GMT
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <9565.122.uupcb@cccbbs.UUCP> cccbbs!bill.preuss@uceng.UC.EDU (Bill Preuss) writes:
#OK, he is my situation - I ordered a .308 Howa barreled action with the
#intent of cutting it down to make a .308 pistol (like the Rem XP100
#series)  I am now told that I can't cut a rifle down to a pistol under
#the BATF rules and regulations - Something about barrel length and
#overall length of a rifle.  Is this true?  If so how does Remington
#and others make their XP type pistols legal?  Any comments would be
#appreciated.

It's simple Bill, they *manufacture* them as pistols and sell them as 
pistols under pistol rules. You can too. All it takes is a manufacturer's
license from BATF. You don't want to know what it costs.

The BATF has all sorts of strange rules about what constitutes a pistol
and what constitutes a rifle. They even tried to enforce a provision 
that it was illegal to make a rifle out of a pistol by adding a long
barrel and shoulder stock. The Thompson Center case finally put an end 
to that nonsense. You still can't legally convert the other way without 
following the stricter pistol manufacturing rules however. You've got
to have the license, and follow the rules, or they'll charge you with
possessing a sawed off rifle. Their theory seems to be that rifle purchases
come under more relaxed rules than pistol purchases and they're afraid
someone will buy a rifle and convert it to a "gangster" weapon in five
minutes with a saw and a file. The fact that your proposed weapon isn't
a "gangster" weapon, and the fact that "gangsters" cut down shotguns 
and rifles anyway, seems to be lost on them.

Gary
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .40 S&W Help Sought
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:19:41 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

bbx!bbxrbk!russ@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler) writes:

#I knew this was going to come up sooner or later... 

#When was the last time you had a misfire from a handgun in proper
#condition?  I've had some from revolvers that someone tried to
#"lighten up" and pistols that someone tried to improve the lock time,
#but never in a stock SIG or Glock or 1911 or S&W or...

	Corrisive Egyptian 9mm was giving me a lot of misfires on
the first trigger pull (like one in 50?).   Hard CCI primers were
not going off on the first trigger pull when my girlfriend was 
shooting my .45.  I almost couldn't believe her because it _never_
happens to me, but sure enough, there were a few rounds with dented
primers that all went off on the second trigger pull.

#I think that this, plus the standard "tap-rack-bang" procedure makes
#this (the non exposure of a hammer on a GLOCK [and non-double action
#action]) doesn't make the Glock unacceptable as a service piece.

	I learned "tap-rack-bang" but refresh my memory.  It's 
"tap" -back of slide, to fully seat round in chamber for extractor grab,
"rack" -the slide
"bang" pull trigger, right?

Jim D
From: chrisb@wang.com (Chris Bennet)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Lee bites back.
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:57:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: elf.9210020618.aa26125
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) writes:


#One of the people in our club had his Lee 1000 blow up on him last week.
#That is to say about 10 primers (all that he happened to have in the
#priming system at the time) went off.  To be fair, he was by his own
#admission moving at quite a clip and probably had a primer that went in
#off center.  This coupled with a 'too vigorous' operation of the handle
#contributed to the detonation, in his opinion.

#Except for slamming the handle around :-) this guy is pretty
#conscientious.  He'd made a shield of sorts for the priming system and
#wears a full face shield when he reloads.  He suffered only one puncture
#wound to his right arm from what he believes was a primer anvil.  At
#least he removed one from his arm and thinks that is all there was.

#Again to be fair, he was using Federal primers, (reportedly the most
#sensitive in the industry) and Lee recommends against using them.  At
#any rate, he has already sold his Lee (cheap) and is awaiting delivery
#of a new Dillon 650.  Wonder if they took that into account in that
#magazine review that placed the Lee ahead of the Dillon?  Lee is occasionally
#a VERY good bargin.

Did he sell the Lee because of the accident ?  If so, perhaps he'll be
selling the Dillon soon too. :^)  But seriously, could people that have used
both (Lee 1000 and Dillon) explain their preference for the Dillon.  I 
have three Lee 1000's [I hate to change dies] and haven't had any problems.
I have noticed that someone sells a case feeder for the Dillon that costs
more than and entire Lee press [which comes with a case feeder].

 Chris

Not a flame, a sincere question...
From: minh@inst-sun1.jpl.nasa.gov (Minh Lang)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Trigger job on Taurus 669 357 mag revolver??
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:56:28 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Hi, I would appreciate any info as to how do I lighten the
double action trigger pull of my Taurus 357 mag revolver
for faster shooting speed? Any pointer would be
greatly appreciate. BTW, I would like to do it myself
and I'm willing to experiment :-). I guess I will need
to replace some springs, but I'm not sure which one :-(
Thanks.

  == Minh ==
+------------------------------------------------------------+
 Minh Lang, Software Engineer  - Jet Propulsion Laboratory
 Instrumentation Systems Group - Instrumentation section 375
 Note:  My employer has nothing to do with what I said here...
+------------------------------------------------------------+
From: reb@amc.com (Bob Brunjes)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Silencer questions
Date: 3 Oct 92 13:21:57 GMT
Organization: Applied Microsystems, Redmond, WA

In article <BvH4sw.n1D@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini) writes:
#In article <1992Oct1.230800.17665@nntp.hut.fi>, mjalava@lk-hp-21.hut.fi (Mika Matti Jalava) writes:
##In article <1992Oct1.043422.20389@netcom.com> geo@netcom.com (George Pontis) writes:
##(I said the first shot through a silencer is louder than others)
---------silencer stuff deleted---------
#	The first shot is louder because the can is filled with
#	air, and the hot gasses continue to burn. The subsequent
#	shots are quieter because the suppressor is full of CO2, etc.
#[long digression: Gunpowders are not O2 balanced, there is more 
#fuel than oxidizer 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Are you sure about this?  I was under the impression that some
double-base powders (I think Bullseye was mentioned) generate
a surplus of oxygen, and this caused some strange suppressor
behavior (which I can't remember right now- man, this is like
forgetting the punch line of a joke- maybe someone will save 
me on this).

Bob Brunjes		Applied Microsystems Corp
			Redmond, WA
			reb@amc.com
From: bobd@marune.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob DeBula)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Remington 788
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:23:27 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <9210020432.AA15321@NMSU.Edu> loki@acca.nmsu.edu writes:
#
#Would someone care to enlighten the darkness of my ignorance with a 
#description of the 788?  I understand it to be a lightweight bolt
#rifle, and perhaps the inexpensive precursor to the model 7, but I
#have never seen one in the flesh, as it were.  What is the safety
#set up?  Magazine?
#

The 788 was Remington's mass market low end rifle. It is *not*
particularly light (maybe in the shorter carbine style versions
it was a bit lighter). It has a removable stamped sheet metal
magazine (capacity varies dependent upon cartridge chambering).
One of the odd things about it is the rear locking lugs.
What I mean by this is that the 788 has multiple lugs at the rear of the
receiver rather than the more common frontal arrangement. As far as
the safety, I *think* (not having one here to look at) that the safety
is on the right side of the receiver at the rear. I believe it toggles
forward & back. 

As I understand it, what a lot of folks find odd about the 788
is that they are so accurate. Supposedly, rear locking is inferior
from an accuracy standpoint to frontal locking (at least I've heard
this expounded).

It really wasn't any ancestor of the model 7. It
was replaced by the model 78 (a very short lived rifle) if I remember the model
number right. The model 78 was a cheapened model 700 ADL for the mass
market (apparently Remington didn't want to maintain the separate
production line for the 788). Its' passing is mourned by many of us 
still (*sniff*).

It is not aesthetically glamorous, but has an appeal all its' own :-)
From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Pocket knife length ;-{)
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:57:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: flubber.9210021516.AA06505
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich

In article <1992Sep23.153820.17619@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jimc@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Cox) writes:
#
#SEC. 46.01(6) "Illegal knife" means a:
#             (A) knife with a blade over five and one-half inches;
#             (B) a hand instrument designed to cut or stab another by
#                 being thrown;
#
like what?

             (C) dagger, including but not limited to a dirk, stiletto,
#                 and poniard;
#             (D) bowie knife;
#
a bowie illegal in texas???? what do ranchers use? swiss army knives?

             (E) sword; or
#             (F) spear.
#
#without visting the insides of one of our county jails.  I would hurry 
#though, if the Texas House and Senate meet before your trip, only God knows 
#what may happen to our laws.  ;-)

that bad?


cu
-pete



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From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Proper Shooting Technique
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:39:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.1992Oct6.130221.18640
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi

In article <9210060546.AA03246@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu> raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man) writes:
#
#In <ras.13@fred.niaid.pc.niaid.nih.gov>,
#ras@fred.niaid.pc.niaid.nih.gov (Randy Stevens) asked:
##when do you pull the trigger-- when
##the lungs are full, partially empty, or empty?
#
#Army training: Breath control = hold when lung is empty. Then
#sight, then pull, then follow through.

NRA training: Breath control is a momentary interruption of the natural
breathing process and rhythm. The shooter breathes normally while
aiming. Then, when the sight picture is right, he pauses with the
lungs neither full or empty. This pause should last no more than
8-10 seconds, as the eyes begin to blur after holding your breath
that long. After the 8-10 second pause normal breathing is resumed.
If the shot is not taken within the 8-10 second pause in breathing,
the cycle is repeated.
-- 

Donald R. Newcomb
dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu
newcomb@usmcp6.bitnet
From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm:what not to buy
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:41:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: flubber.9209301508.AA02982
Organization: Indiana University

In article <Pine.3.02.9209282255.A187122-b100000@byron.u.washington.edu> harris@u.washington.edu (Jeff Harris) writes:
#
#	I had your same problem about two months ago ie. couldn't make up my
#mind between 9 mms. After reading Rec.guns for a month (more confusion), I
#decided to visit a local range that rents guns. I had a nice conversation
#with the range master after trying about six different models. I was
#interested in the Taurus, but they didn't have one. It seems that they
#only lasted about 2 weeks, so after a half-dozen guns, they stopped buying
#them. They have a lifetime warranty, and you will need it! Plan on about
#6-8 weeks of no gun/fun. He also didn't recommend the Colt All American 2000 

I've owned 2 Taurus Mod 99 PT AFs, one blued, and one Nickel, my current
carry gun.  My first one I put ~3000 rounds through, then I sold it to
get into reloading and bought a Ruger P90DC (because it was
stainless).  The guy I sold it to still has it and hasn't voiced any
complaints.  My Taurus .357 has never exhibited any problems, and is
very accurate.  My current 99AF has had about ~200 rounds through it,
and I bought it used.  No complaints at all.  All my Tauruses
(Tauri???) have been, and are, very accurate, clean feeding, and very
fun to shoot.  My Ruger OTO tends to "wander" (I thought it was me,
but then I shot a friends 1911), the fixed sights are a pain because I
cannot adjust the elevation, and I don't like the fit of the gun.  It
has also stovepiped three times in ~2000 rounds, though twice was with
reloads.  My Tauruses have *never* misfed.


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From: rnoguchi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ryan Alexander Noguchi)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .40 S&W Help Sought
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:17:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: phoenix.9209261635.AA29291
Organization: Princeton University

In article <19217@smoke.brl.mil> gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) writes:
#In article <1992Sep21.034034.8177@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
##Seriously, the Glock 10mm is nice, I only wish it had a standard
##exposed hammer and a manual safety or de-cocker.
#
#I don't understand your preference for an exposed hammer.
#As near as I can tell, what you really prefer is a totally
#different operating system, like the traditional M1911A1.
#These features make no sense for the Glock "Safe Action"
#operating system.

Exactly.  But there's more to a gun, even a Glock, than its operating
system.  One could admire the Glock's great strength, its superb
corrosion resistance, its low bore axis, its grip angle and feel, its
lightweight polymer receiver, its good looks (-:, etc. and yet feel
uncomfortable with one of its features, namely the "Safe Action,"
basically single-action-only or double-action-only in practice
(depending on its trigger pull weight).

If you take a Glock and replace its Safe-Action operating system with a
squeeze cocker ala H&K, it's still a Glock; i.e. it still has all the
other features of a Glock, but it's a bit safer in practice since you
can make it "safe."  Ditto with simply giving it a frame-mounted safety.
The latter shouldn't be too difficult an engineering problem, and one
could always choose to ignore it in use, leaving him with the original
Glock operating system.  It'd certainly ease a lot of minds unaccustomed
to the thought of holstering  what essentially acts as a Condition
Zero piece.  If I recall correctly, this was Massad Ayoob's only beef
with the Glock.


- Ryan                               rnoguchi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
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From: bobd@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob DeBula)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: What does Magnum mean?
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:57:29 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

I'm sure you'll get tons of accurate replies, but I'll add a small
(very small) bit of levity that just occurred to me for the 
real meaning of "MAGNUM":


		M arketing
		A dded
		G lorious
		N ew
		U biquitous
		M umbojumbo
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              Disclaimer: These are my views, not the U's

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From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: .45 and 9mm ammo questions
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:14:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: flubber.9209301854.AA03334
Organization: Indiana University



I normally carry Federal 185gr JHP's in my .45.  The other day in the
gun shop I saw a box of Remington 185gr JHP +P, so I decided to try a
box.  The difference was amazing!  Shot from about 10' into a sand
embankment the Federals would mushroom out about half the length of
the bullet and be about the size of a quarter.  The Remingtons didn't
exactly mushroom, they flattened, to about the size of a half-dollar.
Very impressive.  Any comments on either of them?

Also, how do the Win Silvertips compare to the Federal 115gr JHPs in
9mm?



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