HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Language and way of thinking
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:38:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92289.173814JXL124
Organization: Penn State University

Some netters suggest that the simplification of Chinese characters affect some
underlying principles of classification  which generated the Chinese way of
thinking (I think it was a European netter's idea).  Let me say this: whether
the structure of a language is related to a certain way of thinking is never
proved.  Chomsky's idea was that all languages have the same fundamental
principles, and that languages varie around these principles but do not change
them.  Even a small language spoken by a few thousand  of people has the most
perfect structure.  What a small language does not have might be the vocabulary
.  For exp, Eskimo language might not have the word "hamburger", but it could
be added.  No big deal.  The bottom line is: the ways of thinking are more of
a cultural matter than a linguitic one.
__________________________________________________________________________
J.Luo  Penn. State
Those who pretend to know everything are an annoyance to us who do.
__________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Oct 10, Our National Day
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 06:00:19 GMT

The Subject says it all.  Just a reminder to all Chinese in the
world that Oct 10 is our real National Day.  Oct 1 is merely a
day where the communist party "celebrates" the removal of
capitalism; and is only observed in mainland.

I badly miss those days in Hong Kong primary and secondary
schools when everyone is handed a ROC flag on 10 Oct every year.
(Blue Sky, White Sun, Bloody Earth).
I wonder if Singaporeans do the same thing - i.e. celebrate
10 Oct.

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: Qin Hui was not Qin "Kuai"
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 15:20:17 GMT

In article <ldbg2nINN9n9@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <Bvv2J7.D8M@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>>
>>The following is found in Xin1 Hua2 Zi4 Dian3 (Xinhua Dictionary) 
>>published by Shang1 Wu4 Yin4 Shu1 Guan3 in 1987 (6th ed. 10th print):
>                                           *******
>This proves it is unreliable. Please check Kang Xi dictionary or Zi Ku.

I can't believe someone check Kang Xi for pronunciation. How old/young are
you? :-)

>>
>Also find out 1. Sillicon Valley (Si Gu as people call)

The character for sillicon changes. The original one is stone + sunset and
now it is stone + double soil. 

>	      2. Da Za Lan of Beijing (after 1949, it becaomes Da San Lan)

Beijingese call it Da Shi Lar. How come?

>              3. Zi Nan (it was Zi4 Nan3, now it is pronounced Zi3 Nan3)

Zhi3 Nan3 (guide)?
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Lei Feng, mirror and mirror breakers(was: Re: Learn from Lei Feng)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:58:30 GMT

In article <BvrLMD.81E@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.155905.11848@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >
> >I would rather believe in God instead of Lei Feng. This is because I know  
Lei  
> >Feng is a faked image by CCP, while nobody know if there is really a GOD and  
> >even CCP can not prove there is not.
> >
> 
> --- Nobody told you to "believe" Lei Feng. "Believe" is a word for some
> imaginary things like gods. 
> You first say you do not "believe" (the image of) Lei Feng.
> Then you say because Lei Feng is a image.
> --- I don't think this is the first time someone uses circulating logic.
> BTW: This is not the first time someone sells the story that Lei Feng is  
faked 
> image. 
> 
> >He is not a mirror. If someone really want to regard Lei Feng as a mirror,  
then  
> >he is a Ha1 Ha1 Jing4 where people get distort images and make fun.
> >
> >Carl
> 
> ---The distortion is the mismatch between the shape in the viewer's brain and
> the shape seen in the mirror. Therefore, viewer's brain is another source
> of the distortion when he feels that he is in good shape.
> Tang2 Tai4 Zong1 was used to complain Wei4 Zheng1 distorted his image and
> then he found all human mirrors are flat and the only distortion comes from
> viewer's brain.
> However, his friend, Zhu1 8 Jie4 (The Pig King? better translation needed),
> says every mirror in the world is a Ha1 Ha1 Jing4 and tried to break all the
> mirrors in the world.
> 

In fact, if Zhu1 8 Jie4 had stood in front of a Ha1 Ha1 Jing4 like Lei Feng, he  
might have found himself not so ugly and foolish. Mr. Wu, if you stand in front  
of a Ha1 Ha1 Jing4 like Lei Feng, you might very possibly find the image you  
want and get satisfied.

Carl
From: icmgr090@Eagle.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: looking friends!
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:47:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: Eagle.00961CB1.D537EE40
Reply-To: icmgr090@Eagle.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: MSU


Hi,I am a new comer here in U.S.A,I got my B.S. degree in Beijing Inst. of
Chem.Tech. in 1991.My major is Biochemical Engineering.Now I am in Dept.of
Chem. Engr. at Montana State Unvi.This is my first year on Master programm.I
find it is very hard for my to follow the teacher in class.How about you? and I
miss my parents in Beijing.
My Chinese name is Yong He,and English name is Christine,how is everything
about  you?
see you
In article <1asd56INNm7l@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, hli@bcm.tmc.edu (Hua Li)
writes:
>
>
>
>
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: >> CSS in USA maybe become SCRAP HEAP in the future China
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:32:10 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

Just got the expected response (SCC is always like that :-)

In article <1992Oct9.005150.945@news.iastate.edu> 
txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>
>In <BvtFDo.F1z@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>                ......
>>Where are the "CSS" in Japan NOW when Japanese Emperor visits China without 
>>saying a word of sorry about what Japan did to China in World War II?
>>While CSS in the U.S., Canada, Australia sent portest letter to Japanese 
>>Gov't.
>> ... ...
>No comment on other stuffs, but the above argument looks like Qiang2 Ci2
>Duo2 Li3. Where were the CSS in US NOW when Bush announced to sell 150 F-16

You got it damned right, that's the effect and comment EXPECTED by CAREFULLY
following the logic of the ORIGINAL posting, and now you see how absurd the 
ORIGINAL article and THE SUBJECT LINE are :-)

BTW, the poster of the original article certainly does not represent CSS in
Japan though he spoke like he does (he must have learned from Shannon Yeh :-)

>to Taiwan? Do they(or we) say a word about it? They(or we) made a lot of
>noise in the US against China(or CG if you insist). Have they(or we) said
>anything against the interest of US? Sending a protest letter to Japanese
>government is nothing because they(or we) do not live in Japan.

You are right and I agree with you, but the original subject article DOES
NOT admit this or pretended not to have the matter, now hopefully he/she
is aware of that with your enlightment :-)

>Please do not be too harsh to others. I believe surviving in Japan is much
>harder than in the US, an immigrant country. Doing sth against Japan in
>Japan requires more guts than doing sth against US in the US.

You are RIGHT again, the only problem was that THE POSTER of the original 
article (who does NOT represent CSS in Japan) has more guts to bash on fellow
CSS in the U.S. than doing anything against Japanese Emperor :-)

Let's stop this nonsense, it was NOT intended to be harsh with another group
of CSS, instead, it's designed for those who "don't need the protection and
facing Chinese people" on SCC (probably representing Chinese people too :-)

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Bo Xiong in Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: chyang@litotes.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 19:57:36 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@litotes.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Oct11.203126.24600@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
> >There have been many posts about Oct. 1 or Oct. 10 as the national
> >days of China. Let me raise a question. From the point of view as
> >Chinese people, disregard any political party, which day is more
> >important to China for us to celebrate?
> >
> >Oct. 10 is the day for Chinese people to overthrow Qing dynasty and 
> >the Emperor and founded a republic, Republic of China. Under the
> >leadership of Jiang(Chiang), China won WWII and regained the territory
> >taken by Japan, including Taiwan.
> >
> >Oct. 1 is the day PRC founded. Although CCP praised highly for
> >the founding of PRC, it is just a dynasty replacing another one 
> >from the point of view of history and Chinese people.
> >
> 
> I thought ROC is another dynasty who replaced Ching dynasty. For two
> reasons. (1). ROC used a new calendar after it is founded, exactly like
> Ching dynasty. (2). The Old Chiang grabbed power until he died, then let
> his son do the same thing, exactly like what happened in Ching dyansty. 
> But none of the above occurs to PRC. So, which one is more like
> Ching dynasty ? which national day deserves more to be celebrated ?
> 

	Oh man! you have completely missed the point!  Everybody on this
Net knows that Chiang's are crooks.  But Double ten is not meant to 
commemorate them.  So what if they oberserve the day as well?  
I suppose the only crime Dr Sun Yat Sen's has done to the Chinese people
is his early death.  But he was the man who made this date possible.  
Don't you realize you would have been a Japanese if this date had not 
happened?  If you like that idea, Well too bad.

- C. H. Yang
> Yi-Chieh
>
From: IO70169@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Xin Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: testing
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:36:34 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Hello reader, this is a testing file
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Action-9201.appendix
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:44:56 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <2AD3BB98.2233@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>	No!! I am simply protected by JUSTICE, and by my beloved people
>	in China.  I am facing the Chinese PEOPLE.

You are protected by mob's "justice" if you are associated with them;
how about those people who do not want to flirt? 


   "As long as you recognize me Shannon Yeh and its alliance, you
    will be fine"  -- Sh*tnoodle Yea
From: jqtan@northstar.dartmouth.edu (Jian-Qi Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The songs of the Fall (poems)
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:49:42 GMT
Organization: Project NORTHSTAR, Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

To sing along with Tu Ya

A Solemn Song of the Fall

My tears are flowing
Like the colored leaves
Falling with the wind
Swept by the wind

My thoughts, and my spirit
Are flying with the wind
To the unknown where they can rest
To a future where they are free

From the flowing tears
I can feel the dripping coldness
Through the golden leaves
I can see the rays of white light 

Please
Hand me a paper handkerchief 
After wiping I can dispose
Yes, a green one
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:04:03 GMT

In article <92287.112006JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu> <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Well, Chinese characters are changing all the time.  In fact the non-simplified
>characters that the 26 million non-mainlanders like to use are also simplified
>characters, comparing to Jiaguwen (oracle-bone characters).  Therefore it is
>not legitimate to suspect the intelligence of the mainlanders who find the
>simplified characters easy to learn.  Furthermore, characters are a media of
>information, as long as they can transfer message,they are good.  Well, you
>might want to try it: use simplified characters to write a $1 million check to
>someone who hates simplified characters, you'll see how s/he enjoys your
>handwriting!
>Luo

indeed, if you really love ultra-traditional writing, than write
like people in Han Dynasty writes, "Cao Ti" style haven't been invented
yet,  or does anyone care for some "Jia Gu Wen"?  ;->
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Tuition from Parents (was Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...)
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:29:09 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <Bw4sJ3.6rM@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
->
->>In article <1bfmioINN2ve@phakt.usc.edu>, zyou@phakt.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) writes:
->>>   I own tuition to my parents ONLY. My parents are CHINESE PEOPLE
->
->The parents of the college students can only provide a fraction of 
->the education cost for their kids. People in a country need college students,
->so they put their money together to support some of their kids to
->go college while take others back to factories and farms. The reason that
->people in a country do so is to expect the college students will serve
->their country and their people more effeciently.
->
->Gao1 Kao3 (the college entrance exam) is nothing but a way to select the
->"lucky" kids who recieve the money not only from their own parents, but also
->from the parents whose kids "failed" in the exam. The exam is fair, but
->the result is not completely fair.
->
->Someone may say that if our parents earn more, they should be able to pay
->our tuition. Well, in USA, the parents do earn a lot (not simply because
->they work hard and have hi-tech, but also because their country grabs huge
->amount of wealth from the 3rd world). However, even in USA, the tuition 
->paid by parents does not cover the education cost completely. 
->The public universities recieve money from tax-payer's share, of course.
->The private universities collect money related to the tax-examption, in
->other word, the money should otherwise be paid as tax in some sense.
->Though the fraction covered by parents may vary from country to country,
->it is not 100% anywhere.
->

Exactly.  The fact that each state's public universities offer much lower
tuition to residents (those who reside in the state for a certain amount
of time and have intention to remain so) only should be self-evident that 
it expects that most of the students will eventually be contributing
(e.g. through taxes).

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: i am a spy? if so, it would be interesting
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:16:00 GMT
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.

If i act as a spy, i will hide myself in a corner and watch you blood carders
and make report to someone in somewhere.  but the fact is: Shannon Yeh 
publically stood up and fighted with those blood carders.

Shannon Yeh has his own plan, and he is not a stupid man--he knows how to
Jiao(foot)Ta(step)Shi(real)Di(earth) to reach his goal.  

shannon
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:28075 soc.culture.taiwan:14482
From: qili@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kenneth Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,iu.china
Subject: Chinese music house (mail order)
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:01:31 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

Hi, everyone out there,

Here is a music fan who is in search of Chinese music CD (yes, CD only. 
I hate tapes --- they only deliver end-of-the-line sound). Our local
music stores don't carry any of those 'exotic' records. It would be nice
if someone plese tell me where I can get those CDs (tel. numbers and addresses
). I will try to come up with a summary, having enough information. 

By the way, Chinese music is any collection, included but not limited to, 
of (pop, folk) songs in Chinese. As I know, plenty of them are made in
Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore.

-- 


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                                    |
From: xiaofei@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: impression about shannon yeh
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:24:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: einstein.9210131824.AA19987
Organization: Indiana University

After reading many Shannon Yeh's messages, I can onky come 
up with the following 

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 #     #  # #     # #       #    #  #   #   #   
 ##### # #   #   #  #       #    #  #   #   #   
 #     # #   #   #  #########    ####   #####   
     ## #     # #   #       #    #  #   #   #   

to describe him:

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           #         #        # #   #     #  #  
         ##           ######### #  #      ####  

   #          #     ###           #    #     #  
  # ######    #  ### #  ######    #    #     #  
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 #    #    #  #  # #  # ####### # #   # #    #  
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 # ####       # #  #      ##      #        # #  
 #           ##             ###   #         #
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CSS in USA Maybe Become SCRAP HEAP in the Future Chin
Date: 9 Oct 92 07:32:21 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    In post <1992Oct9.014502.3230@news.iastate.edu> (9 Oct 1992) Zhiqi Zuo
writes,

> After this incident, we were asked by many friends (Americans, Japanese,
> Chinese from Taiwan) and American students.  Many Chinese found that
> the report was at least dishonest to some degree.  What should we say
> when asked [whether are "Chinese students afraid imprisonment if return"]?

    Just say the truth: a) If you follow CCP's line, a delegate to the
People's Congress is in reachable distance; b) If you openly voice different
opinion, you run into trouble; c) However, between a) and b) there is vast
open space for not only survival but a purposeful life, with a price have
to pay.  The Proletarian Dictatorship is cracking but doesn't collapse yet.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s075198@ceres.carleton.ca (Jun Liu)
Subject: Re: Improve your English
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:32:36 GMT

In <1asug0INNm0l@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu> yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng) writes:

(deleted)
>Recently I spent some time reading some of the stuff in this news group. I'm
>very disappointed to find that many of our highly educated compatriats cannot
>spell and write English well. Of course, once in a while a spelling error is
>nothing to be alarmed about. But obvious grammatical errors are irritable
                                                                 ^^^^^^^^^
I suppose that you meant "irrating"?

>when one reads those paragraphs. I surely expect a lot of people will say
>that grammar is not important as long as the idea is made clear. However,
>I believe that good writing skills are necessary in an environment where
>English is the language of communication. 

>By the way, there is a great deal of junk in the network.

Good observation!
From: lix@congo.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:44:56 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1av68hINNm2@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu> jamesou@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu (James Ou) writes:
< (deleted)
<
<*****Man3 Jiang1 Hong2  	   -Yue4 Fei1, Song dynasty
<(deleted)
<Dai4 Chong2 Tou2 Shou1 Shi2 Jiu4 Shan1 He2,
<Chao2 Tian1 Que1.
<
<(deleted)
<Muo4 Deng3 Xian2 Bai2 Liao3 Shao4 Nian2 Tou2,
<Kong1 Bei1 Qie4.

Thanks James. But these 2*2 lines are in wrong order. Because of
your effort, I hesitate to suggest your donation. :-(
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china