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From: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: So long, Stanley Cup playoffs
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:58:01 GMT
Reply-To: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Apr9.185505.15191@wpi.WPI.EDU> carrie@wpi.WPI.EDU (Carrie A Ayers) writes:
>In article <1992Apr08.163425.255351@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>>
>>But now even the moderates are pissed, and they're talking about bringing in
>>replacement players for next season.
>>
>>If that's the case, count me out.  I'm not paying major league prices to see
>>minor league talent.  I'll stay home and watch college hockey on cable.
>>
>I'm sorry you feel this way.  Minor league hockey is just as exciting 
>as NHL hockey.  As an AHL fan, I can say I've seen games that are much
>more exciting than some NHL games I've seen.  

   I'll have to go along with this. I happen to enjoy watching a player
   come along and grow in the AHL. I love to watch AHL hockey. It's
   a lot of fun and imo, good hockey. I live where I have the option
   of going to see an NHL team or an AHL one play. I tried watching
   the NHL games and it just wasn't worth all the extra money to
   watch; I just didn't think the hockey was all that much better.
   Maybe objectively speaking, the skill level isn't as good but
   the intensity is still there and that, imo, is what makes it good
   and a lot of fun to watch.

Judy
From: lane@ug.cs.dal.ca (David Lane)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Calder ---> Gilbert Dionne
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:07:42 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada


Calder Trophy.

I agree with the person who voted for Gilbert Dionne for
Calder.  This guy has really shown some talent.  Had he played
the whole system he would have at least 40 goals and at least
80 pts.  He is big and not fast but he always seems to be in the right
place at the right time.  He is deadly in the slot.
Remember that name because he is a future star. 
If he plays next season like he did this season I think he is
going to be a 50-goal scorer.  Montreal hasn't had one since
Stephane Ritcher.


Go Habs Go!!!.
     
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From: rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares)
Subject: In need of a Pens fan with a tape recorder...
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:33:19 GMT

I was watching a hockey program on SportsChannel a few months 
ago and they were doing a story on the Pens announcer.
At least, I think he was from Pittsburgh.

Anyway, I really dug the way he said, "He shoots, he scorrrres,"
in a low raspy voice.  (Tell me if this is the guy)

I'd like to get a tape of play-by-play where he actually says
this.  Could some excellent Pens fan send me a cassette tape
with some Pens play-by-play.

In return, you can be the proud owner of a "Sharks - KNEW 910"
bumper sticker.  =)

Thanks!

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From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: When does one buy new hockey skates?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:30:39 GMT

migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:

>In article <46304@dime.cs.umass.edu> rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr6.152217.636@berlioz.nsc.com> alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn) writes:
>>>In article <1992Apr5.151217.39053@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, vonwaadn@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>>|>
>>>|> 
>>>|> How can you tell you need new skates?
>>>
>>   Some folks opt for replacing the blade (not sure of the cost) and
>>   prolonging the life of the boot.

>Ric Nattress has used the same pair of skates all his career.
>(I imagine he's changed the blades a few times, 'tho.)/

I wonder why management tollerates this.

His skates have got to be 8-10 years old and he's on the ice
most every day. They must be floppy, soggy, rotted pieces
of leather at this point.  They probably offer minimal protection
and support.

No doubt, Nattress is a better skater with his old skates than I've
ever thought of being with the best skates in the world.  However,
every time I buy a new pair of skates I always feel like kicking
myself for not having done so sooner.  The amount of protection and
support found in a new skate today is far greater than that found in a skate
that has been used for  nearly a decade by a professional hockey player.

I remember former Leaf great George Armstrong getting new skates when
he was coaching the leafs. I think he was getting a pair of 462 Vacu-Taks
from CCM. He had previously vowed to keep his old ones but for some reason
switched to a new pair. He said he was amazed at how good the new ones
were and how easy they were to break in. The latter issue was the reason
he hadn't opted for new ones before. He didn't want to go through the pain
of breaking  in a new pair of boots, but he didn't realize that the skates
of today were superior to the old ones in that respect. You can break them
in with ease.

Oh well...to each his own. They are a superstitious lot....

Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
From: rbrbrn@meteor.wisc.edu (Rob Holmes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NEED INFO ON A PLAYER
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:34:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Meteorology and Space Science

Does anyone know the whereabouts of a player named Tod Hartje?

He played his college hockey at Harvard and was a member of their 1989 NCAA
Championship team.  He was owned by either Quebec or Winnipeg but he played
hockey in Russia for a year or two.  I saw him on David Letterman about two
years ago, but he hasn't showed up on an NHL roster that I know of.  Maybe
someone in the east knows where he is.

Thanx in advance.

THE ROBBER BARON
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From: maherali@fraser.sfu.ca (Riyadh Maherali)
Subject: Re: ISLANDERS UPDATE, WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR!!!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:09:24 GMT

I'd pick the Iles!
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From: kwfrackl@lily09.waterloo.edu (SCOOP-meister)
Subject: Re: AN ODE TO SHERRI
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 06:07:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.053350.28651@lily.waterloo.edu> kwfrackl@lily09.uwaterloo.ca (SCOOP-meister) writes:
>
>AN ODE TO SHERRI
>
>PS- Everyone please email Sherri a hug and tell her we still love her.

Sherri's email address to send your hug ---> snichols@adobe.com


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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Greedy Athletes
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:56:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.155813.1@sask.usask.ca> chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin) writes:
>But a real estate investor is unlikely to share any capital appreciation with
>the people whom s/he hired to maintain the property.  This is not to say
>players don't deserve some of the gains.
But if you are that employee, getting paid $X when the property is $1 million.
Are you going to settle for $X when the property is $50 million?

You don't share the capital gain, but it doesn't mean you will accept
the same amount of salary to do a job 49 times more significant.

BTW, hockey players are not employees "maintaining" the real estate
property. Athletes are mostly responsible for the appreciation of
the properties, while maintainence people don't.
A more appropiate analogy is the chief scientist of a company of 
net worth of $1 million. After 20 years, the net worth of the company 
is $50 million because of your amazing inventions.
Are you going to command a compensation (salary, stock options, etc.) 
proportional to the net worth of the company?

No? then you are nice, but you can't expect other people in this world
to be as stupid.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: gjl@phx.mcd.mot.com (George Lloyd)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Consecutive seasons over .500
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:53:15 GMT
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.

In article <1992Apr15.161911.23806@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.192516.28767@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:

....A LOT OF GARBAGE DELETED......

I'm not a fan of either team but maybe this will help......


Montreal vs Boston All-time head-to-head

REGULAR SEASON

At Montreal
	Montreal 172-82-43=387 PTS   1013GF-679GA 

At Boston
	Boston	 136-110-52=324 PTS   879GF-799GA

TOTAL
	Montreal 282-218-95=659 PTS  1558GF-659GA


PLAYOFFS

Series
	Montreal	21-5

Games
	Montreal	84-44	GF=402	GA=303


I hope this ends all the garbage on the net!

*******************************************************************************
When I asked a Chinese Malay if he was going to give blood for a Blood Drive 
he said:
"What is inside a Chinaman should stay inside a Chinaman....
                               .....Unless there's money to be made from it!"
Ditto for Motorola's opinions!

George James Lloyd 
Motorola Microcomputer Division
2900 S. Diablo Way       DW234
Tempe AZ 85282
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From: lipinski@macn15.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: When does one buy new hockey skates?
Organization: Motorola,Inc
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:41:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.152217.636@berlioz.nsc.com> alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The
Hepburn) writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.151217.39053@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>,
vonwaadn@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>|>
>|> 
>|> How can you tell you need new skates?
>
>When the sharpener starts grinding away at the blade holder?

You don't necessarily need new skates at this point.  A friend of mine got just
the steel blade replaced for about $50 on his Daousts. This was much cheaper
than new skates and he didn'thave to break them in.



-Todd
From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Examining the books (was Re: The upcoming STRIKE.)
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:57:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr7.134152.5040@philabs.philips.com>, jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) writes:
> In article <1992Apr6.151643.1@sask.usask.ca> chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin) writes:
> 
> [about profit/loss margins in the NHL]
> 
> >The NHLPA arrived at the $24 million profit figure after examining the books of
> >the franchises in Detroit, Philadelphia, Quebec, and Washington.  I'd say those
> >four teams are a fair representation of the financial status of the NHL
> >(perhaps a touch on the optimistic side).
> 
> The problem I have with this is that both Detroit and Washington have
> good teams, and come very close to selling out every game, and Quebec,
> pitiful as they are, do a good job of drawing fans to the arena
> (Canadian fans love hockey, where U.S. "fans" only like it when their
> team is doing well...).  Even Philly started to draw fans after their
> miserable start when they started winning.

The attendance at FLYERS games by quarter was over 171,000 for each
of the 1st three quarters out of a possible max attendance of 173,800.
The fans were there all season...this after the team missed the playoffs
for 2 straight years.

Just setting the record straight...

pete clark jr.
att!hos1cad!seth
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: The upcoming STRIKE.
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:04:12 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <ARBOGASTW.47@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast) writes:
>If it was no contract no play, why'd they play all season? Get YOUR facts 
>straight.

You're a bigger moron than all of us here had hoped you'd be. They
negotiated the contract all season. The owners were dumb enough not
to lock them out in October so the possibility of the strike was always
there and now it's here. It doesn't matter when they struck. They had
no contract so they could've stopped playing at any point season. 99% of
the readers understand why the strike took place. But there is always that 1%.
From: pbenjami@sjuphil.uucp (Paul Benjamin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: The effect of the draft (was Re: Dear Sherri)
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:36:35 GMT
Organization: Saint Joseph's University

In article <1992Apr7.180851.19130@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:

>If the teams with more money have more and better scouting, and more and
>better player development, then how is the draft helping parity?

By keeping such a team from signing much more than about 1/n of the
players, where n is the number of teams in the league, and thereby
stockpiling minor league talent. This is the way the Canadiens of
old built a dynasty. They always had super young players to bring
up from the minors, because they signed a disproportionate percentage
of the top young talent. As you say, predicting the success of such
young players is very difficult, so the best way to succeed is just
to sign more of the really promising ones than any other team does. 
I have always felt that the true effect of any draft is the dispersal
of players among teams in a more or less equitable way. Draft picks
get traded and so on, but the percentage of players going to each team
in the long run is about 1/n.

Paul Benjamin
From: am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: More Penguin Marketing
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:47:48 GMT
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I forgot two things that might be of interest to season ticket holders.

*Start-times.  We would like to see Saturday afternoon games eliminated.
 I brought up that Bob Johnson said last year he would like to see
 Saturday games start at 6:00pm because there would be plenty of time
 for people to go out to bars and restaurants afterward, and I'm for
anything    that helps the local economy.  It would also get little kids
home at a reasonable hour.  We were asked if a 6:00pm or 8:00pm start
time on
 week nights would be ok.  Absolutely not -- leave it at 7:30pm, please.

*Give-aways.  We were asked what we thought of the quality of the
give-away items.  We said we were pleased (someone said his umbrella
from about 12 years ago still works!!  Mine didn't last too long.)
 I suggested that season ticket holders could at least be assured of getting
 calendars; that it would be nice if they could be mailed with our
 tickets prior to the start of the season.  We also brought up that
 people who share tickets are at a disadvantage because they can't
 all get the items.  In fact, they lose out on other benefits as well
 because only the person whose name is on the account is the "ticket
 holder."  We would like to see something done to enable shared ticket
 holders to get the same benefits.
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From: vgs@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (v.g.stetter)
Subject: Devils tickets for sale
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: nj
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 02:01:04 GMT
Keywords: Devils hockey

2tickets
2 tickets available for each : Sunday, April 12 and Monday April 13
at 7:35pm at NJ Meadowlands.
Section 115 Row 25 Seats 3 and 4
Sunday: Devils vs Washington
Monday: Devils vs Pittsburgh
Please call Ed at 201 226-4477.
Cost is $30 per ticket and includes preferred parking.

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From: ace@lacey.cs.mcgill.ca (Arthur CHAN)
Subject: Re: YES! Never was there a doubt in my mind.
Keywords: CANADIENS!!!!!!!!
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:23:27 GMT

In article <9204110429.AA15426@skatter.usask.ca> gerry@SKATTER.USASK.CA (Gerry  
Gryschuk) writes:
> Now that we can get back to debating the real important issues, let me be
> the first to attempt to start the inevitable playoff flamewars. Without
> ta doubt the 1992 Stanley Cup Champions will be...
> 
> 			THE MONTREAL CANADIENS.
> 
> Let the Flames begin!!!!!!
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Gerry Gryschuk(gerry@skatter.usask.ca)
> "Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you
> don't bet, you can't win."
> 			-Lazarus Long(R.A.Heinlein)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------

No flame.  Just adding fuel to the fire.


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From: carrie@wpi.WPI.EDU (Carrie A Ayers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: So long, Stanley Cup playoffs
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:55:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr9.185505.15191
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <1992Apr08.163425.255351@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>
>But now even the moderates are pissed, and they're talking about bringing in
>replacement players for next season.
>
>If that's the case, count me out.  I'm not paying major league prices to see
>minor league talent.  I'll stay home and watch college hockey on cable.
>
>Lori
>

I'm sorry you feel this way.  Minor league hockey is just as exciting 
as NHL hockey.  As an AHL fan, I can say I've seen games that are much
more exciting than some NHL games I've seen.  I know of a few AHL teams
that could play any NHL team anyday and win.  And considering a lot of
these minor league players are the future of the NHL teams, seems silly
that you wouldn't be willing to pay to see them now, but will later when
someone else thinks they are good enough for you to watch.  Maybe we
shouldn't pick on the players for wanting more money, since some of you 
guys are really interested in seeing hockey, but more who's playing.
Those guys must be worth more, huh?  So if a couple players get called
up and then sent back down, then I guess they were only worth the money
while they were there?  I've heard it said that AHL hockey is even
rougher than NHL hockey.  Maybe it's because these guys HAVE to come out
and work hard every game to make it to the NHL, where people only 
appreciate them cuz the are in the NHL now, not because they are hockey
players.

Carrie
carrie@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Re: Most popular athletes
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 13:49:16 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: na

In article <1992Apr15.190735.15366@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.125437.1@sask.usask.ca> chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin) writes:
>>I'm compiling a list of the two most popular athletes in each NHL city or
>This is from the American perspective. Also, this one per team per city
>limit is not reasonable. Say, nobody on the Sabres is as popular as the
>any five Buffalo Bills stars.
>
>
>>		Most popular		Second most popular

>>Pittsburgh	Mario Lemieux		Andy Van Slyke
>                Mario Lemieux           Barry Bonds
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^

Barry Bonds????? No way.  About 1/2 people in this town are willing to 
back Barry's bags for him today.  The other half are waiting to see if
we repeat a division winner, then they'll help him pack.

If you want to broaden the spectrum just a little and go with most popular
sports figures, instead of just athletes, then I'd go with:

                 Mario Lemieux          Jimmy Leyland (Pirates' manager).

Leyland was given a 5 to ten minute standing ovation at the home opener this
year.

Lori
From: am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Salary Cap questions
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:25:33 GMT
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I know that the NBA has a team salary cap.  (This is the only thing
I know about basketball, other than the fact that I hate it.  I have
no idea how many teams and divisions there are, when the season
begins/ends, etc...)  People who know basketball claim that the salary
cap is an excellent system and I've made blanket comments that it should
be instituted in all sports, but after thinking about it since
the strike (since there isn't much else to think about), I've come up
with some questions.

So if anyone out there knows basketball and the NBA, I'd appreciate some
insight.

*Is the salary cap an across-the-board cap?  That is, was anything taken
 into account such as arena capacity, local television revenue, etc. in
 establishing this cap?
*Have NBA teams actually lost good players and have any missed the benefit
 of signing hot shot newcomers because of the cap? Is there a cap on
 rookie salaries?
*Are there a lot of contract problems in the NBA?  Do players hold out at
 the beginning of each season for more money?  Are there a lot of demands
 to be traded?
*Do teams lose good players because of the cap?  For instance, in
 Pittsburgh, Recchi, Stevens, and Francis all held out for more money.
 If there was a team cap and signing all three for what they wanted
 meant that the Penguins would exceed their cap, what would happen?
 Would they just lost one of the three?
*Does the cap inpact trading in the NBA?  What if a team wanted to trade
 draft picks or younger players who make less money for some big name
 star, and the big name's salary would make them exceed your cap?  Are
 they just out of luck?
From: lyddy@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: BRUINS: Another winning season...
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:57:23 GMT

I noticed with last night's tie, the Bruins have 81 points,
making 1991-92 a guaranteed .500-plus season.  Someone in the
know please tell me (1) how many consecutive winning seasons this
makes for the Bruins, and (2) whether any other hockey team (or
any other pro sports team) can match the Bruins' consecutive 
winning season record.

-Dan Lyddy
-UMass at Amherst
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 08:59:07 -0400 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Congratulations Rangers!!


I'd like to offer my congrats to the Rangers and their long-suffering
fans for a great regular season!!  Wish I could have seen more of your
games.

The Rangers have long been my second favorite team (and NYC my second
favorite city) and if the Penguins are eliminated by either Washington
or New York, I'm for the Rangers all the way to the Cup.  They deserve
it.  (Even if the Rangers would meet the Kings in the finals, I think
that not
even my loyalty to Paul Coffey could supersede my desire to see the
Rangers win!)



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