HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu
Subject: Ellen Degeneres (was Re: Margaret Cho Alert!!)
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:09:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.023423.20288@usl.edu>
rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.) writes:
 
>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>
>Who:    Margaret Cho
>When:   9pm (CST) / Sat / Dec 12th
>Where:  Lifetime Cable Network
>What:   "Six Comics In Search of a Generation"
>
>"Yeah, I like to get fisted. It makes me feel like a Muppet!"
>                  -- Margaret Cho
>
>Margaret is a female stand-up comic who happens to be Korean-
>American, honey-voiced, and bisexual. I will have my VCR fired up!  ;-)
>
>Rendell
>
>p.s. and Ellen DeGeneres will be on too!  At the risk of starting
>another round of those dreadful even-though-I-am-gay-I-would-kill-
>to-have-sex-with threads, I will openly admit that I have had the
>hots for Ellen Degeneres since the first time I saw her.   <drool>
 
Because I am gay I would kill to have sex with Ellen Degeneres, and
at the risk of starting another round of those dreadful is-she-or-
isn't-she threads, is she or isn't she? And what about Paula Pound-
stone?
 
Tracey
Shyster stealth lesbian weasel-in-training
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: j_babylo@oz.plymouth.edu (Jessica L. Babylon)
Subject: Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads:  women posting and 'cures' and its spinoffs)
Summary:  ???? 
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 17:50:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.034228.24746@samba.oit.unc.edu> czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:
>In article <1glnv9INNh41@morrow.stanford.edu> AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec15.214714.10560@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
>>czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:
>
>>>season, feeling a little bitchy right now
>
>>  Be careful when using this word around here.  Someone might accuse
>>  you of misogyny, Ms. Taylor.
>
>uh-oh...I suddenly feel so mature..."Ms. Taylor?"...I don't think I have
>EVER been called that!
>
>How could anyone accuse me of misogyny (which I had to look up when I
>started reading this newsgroup, btw) for calling myself a bitch?
>
>(oh, and I wanted to ask...Trey said that this was too formal for me to go
>about my usual thing of not capitalizing anything except people's
>names...is he right?...I hate capitalizing!!)
>
Fuck anyone who tells ya to capitalize anything in any piece of
writing you do.If you write coherently and intelligently(dubious in
many cases i've seen) the mung filled bean heads who can't understand
anything unless it has perfect grammar, which, by the way, i am
perfectly capable of using if i so choose, have no right to tell you
to write so it pleases their small minded views.Egads, they all try to
do it to me.Smack upside da head!

- Roofus "post em and toast em" the Goddess
>season
>
>
>-- 
>                     ____
>Season Taylor        \  / "we are one body/we are one spirit/one breath/one
>czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu\/   dream of life and death/.../one sex"
>(yes, as in the 4)                          -sophie b. hawkins
From: thom@access.digex.com (The Elf-Lad)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Legos
Date: 14 Dec 1992 14:51:28 GMT
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <1992Dec10.234008.19851@cabezon.uucp> kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards) writes:
>So I'm sitting here looking at all the new Lego kits I bought for myself
>and am wondering: A 28 year old Lego Maniac - is this a gay thing or just an 
>engineering geek thing?

I'm not an engineering geek, but I'm a 30-year-old gay man who loves
Legos. I asked my parents to get me the castle sets this year for the
holiday. 'Course, my whols family's had plenty of time to get used to
my still wanting fun things as gifts... a few years back my aunt and
uncle gave me a couple of stuffed Ewoks, and my cousin gave me a
Cabbage Patch kid (a cute little blond twink with turquoise overalls--
the doll, not the cousin).

This year I'm giving my nephews my old Mac SE, and I bought them some
educational software, along with KidPix and the Caves of Spelunx. I've
had so much fun testing these two on my machine before installing
them on theirs, that I might have to get my own copies.

All together, let's sing the Toys "R" Us jingle.... 



-- 
Thom, the Elf-Lad                   elf-lad@access.digex.com
"What sane person could live in this world and not be crazy?"
 --U.K.LeGuin
From: key@soda.berkeley.edu (peter li'ir key)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: i want...
Date: 19 Dec 1992 05:53:19 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

since this perhaps is the season of wishes, i though i'd make a list.
some are wishes i want for my childhood, a time i can never regain.
some are wishes i want for now, hopefully a time i can help shape.
some are wishes i want for the future, a green time with seeds sown
today.

dear santa,

for christmas...
...when i was six, my parents reading me sleeping beauty with two princes
...when i was eight, a case of puppy love with the cute boy my age down
	the block
...when i was ten, famous gay astronauts, scientists, and writers to 
	worship
...when i was eleven, science fiction and fanasty stories with gay
	characters
...when i was thirteen, teen sports stories that are also romances
...when i was fourteen, a poster of a hunky teen idol to tape to the 
	inside of my school locker
...when i was sixteen, my first kiss and first date
...when i was eighteen, to go to the prom with the cutest guy in school
...when i went to college, to meet the man of my dreams (which i did
	get, thanks santa :)
...when i graduate, to get married to the man of my dreams and for us
	to get decent jobs in the same city
...when we are settled, to raise a kid or two
...when we are raising kids, to ablity to stiffle the urge to kill them
...when we are old, a nice retirement, nice daughter or son-in-laws, and 
	cute grandkids

					sincerely,
					peter

ps especially for this christmas snow!


peter li'ir key, who wishes he could rewrite life's script
key@soda.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Have yourself a fairy little X-Mas (Re: It's That Time of Year ...)
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:38:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec14.103818.20455
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec12.011035.7098@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <75502@apple.apple.COM> stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson) writes:
>>Speaking as someone who came out in the mid seventies, in San Francisco,
>>quite a bit of innocence and exuberance had already been lost by then.
>>In this light, you might find Larry Kramer's _Faggots_ educational as a
>>contemporaneous reflection on that era (in New York City). [Hint:  even
>>then, this book created a bit of a stir among the more politically correct
>>gays.]
>
>The only thing good about that book was the cover jacket, in which
>Larry Kramer sports a magnificant beard.  I wish he'd grow it back--
>he looks like my aunt these days.
>
>I still have the dent in the plaster from when I threw the hardcover
>against the wall in a fit of rage.  I thought it was a loathsome book.
>Of course, that was 14-15 years ago (when did it come out?? 1978?).
>Maybe if I read it today, by now having lost my innocence and exuberance
>(it's somewhere around here--I've just misplaced it), it might seem old
>hat (albeit dated.)  I don't know.

I don't know. Maybe it was the scene with the underage gymnast with a
12" cock having sex with his uncle that made you mad. It sure did me.
I do think, however, that it was a timeless piece of writing. Or a
timeless jacket cover. The secret is out on why anyone would buy the
damn book.


-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
From: kkenny@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:21:35 -0400
Organization: Medical College of Virginia

 In article <1g8139INNm2j@hp-col.col.hp.com> Walter Smith) says:
>Or maybe they would rather not have such a subject such as sodomy
>discussed with first graders at all?  That it should be left 1) till
>they are older and know what it means, 

_WHO_ said anything about discussing 'sodomy' with first graders?
Does the mentioning of two strayt parents in any book constitute
discussing intercourse?  Or are you assuming that because the books
focus on two male or female parental figures in the home, that
their sexual activiites _must_ be part of the books?  Afterall,
we _all_ know that queers are obsessed with sex!  They can't even
write books for children without mentioning sex!  <if you don't 
read extreme sarcasm here, go down to your local bank, take out
a loan and buy yourself a clue!>

Pull your head out, Walter.  You claim to be so concerned about
the 'children', yet this only seems to apply to your children or
children who come from traditional families.  

Karen
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:36:01 EST


Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
|> Daniel Bidwa writes:
|> >>tailoring the band's sound just to gain popularity (which, in all the
|> >interviews I've read, sounds like the real reason they switched producers).
|> Please... not the "Metallibob" argument *again*!  I tend to
|> go with Lars' statement that the "mainstream came to Metallica,
|> not the other way around."

Well, "Balladica" is the name of choice around here, but YMMV. Besides, like I
said, they would've been hard pressed to make a sixth record that didn't sell
like crazy.

|> >the lead singer for Deicide (the upside-down-cross branded on his forehead
|> >isn't even too bad), who also has a _deep_ speaking voice and a phenomenal
|> >stage presence (in a sort of Mansonesque fashion).  Boy, am I glad that
|> >beards have once again become acceptable metal style! Yum!
|> I'll have to keep my eyes open for this; but as any fan of C&W
|> could tell you, that genre has been a gold mine of furry faces
|> for quite some time...

Yeah, but watching country performers generally requires listening to country
music. (Alabama, argh.) I _like_ Deicide's music (and everyone in the band has
beards, too :-).

Dan, whose enthusiasm for country stops somewhere around Hank Williams (sr.)
(although I just picked up a Charlie Feathers record that's mighty fine)
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: source of the word 'faggot' (was: Hey Edgar!)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:11:37 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec8.160404.8621@osf.org> <Bz1Lox.809@access.digex.com>
  <1gjsm8INN67s@mizar.usc.edu>

[Much ado has been deleted....]

I find it interesting that no one has presented the explanation
I first heard.  While I make no claims for its accuracy, it does
at least SOUND good.  ;-)

Even today in Britain, I understand, the word "fag" is used as
slang for "cigarette."  The explanation goes that the transfer
of the word to gay men comes from the time just after the
introduction of cigarettes, when they were commonly considered
to be notably less "masculine" than a pipe or a proper cigar.

I don't think it takes much thinking to see how a word that
already carries "less than masculine" connotations might get
applied to gay males by the essentially clueless masses.

Hmmm. For some reason, I have this urge to light up a cigar....

 
() When you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is
() time to stop and reconsider.
()      -- Mark Twain
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[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: dise@decoy.uoregon.edu (David Casti)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Age-ism and the gay community
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:55:36 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dise@oregon.uoregon.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cisco-ts2-line67.uoregon.edu

In article <1992Dec18.021033.13179@bsu-ucs> 00bbharris@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu  
writes:
> 	Why is the criteria for gay men over the age of 21 is to find a man
> over the age of 21?  Why must they assume that i am too immature for them?

Obviously, I can't speak to your individual circumstance; it might be that  
they aren't responding to your age, but some other part of your persona.

I'm in a domestic partnership with a man 22 years older than I, and we  
contracted it when I was 18.  We've never had any trouble; even now that he's  
out of work and I'm "head of the household", age hasn't been an issue between  
us.  (We do have interesting conversations, that I think are made a lot *more*  
interesting by our different generational perspectives.)

Now, something that does come to mind is this 21 thing.  Neither my partner  
nor I drink.  He doesn't have any desire to go to the bars, or anywhere else  
he couldn't take me.  Perhaps the folks you're dating want to go drinking...?

So, I wouldn't worry too much.  You'll find older men who don't have the same  
hang-ups, just be patient.
From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Soc.motss gathering in Monmouth County, NJ
Summary: Hangin' with Steven Levine in a place better than Ithaca or Pittsburgh
Keywords: Steven Levine, pizza, Dec. 29th
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:19:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ




Net.dignitary Steven Levine (steven@cray.com) of Minneapolis will be 
returning to his home town of Middletown, New Jersey, for a visit at the 
end of the month. Soc.motsseurs and AT&T LEAGUErs are invited to join 
in welcoming back "Joizey Steve" at a pizza luncheon in Lincroft, 
New Jersey, on Tuesday, December 29th. 

Send me mail at one of the addresses below, and I'll get directions to 
you.
-- 
||| Polly Powledge
||| p.s.powledge@att.com			<- unchanged
||| att!pegasus!psp or psp@pegasus.att.com	<- new
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Coming out at work - HELP!
Date: 19 Dec 92 20:44:49 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) wrote:
> 
>And, if that ain't enough advertisment... rainbow coffee mugs are
>pretty neat!

It's a little too obscure for me at this point.  I've been looking for 
something obvious, like one which says "Queer" or "Faggot."  Anyone have
any suggestions?  One would think with all the witty t-shirts
around, a coffee mug wouldn't be so difficult.

Also, I've been looking for greeting or note cards lately, not necessarily 
of the holiday type.  It is odd to me that I have such difficulty finding 
nice lesbigay cards to send people.  There is a huge selection of naked 
people cards all over, but nothing I've seen is exactly what I'm looking
for to give to a motss lover for a holiday, birthday, or anniversary,
or even just to friends.  I hate having to buy <generic card company>
cards which are somewhat appropriate.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: An "enlightening" experience
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:19:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: syacus.1992Dec21.011955.12197
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne

Brent:
   >  * there * are * no * pods *
Mara:
  > Sure there are.  I saw some in my salad only last night.

 * musta * binna * virtual * salad * 

--Brent
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com>
Subject: cobalt musings 2
Reply-To: "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:50:29 EST

Tovah Hollander writes:
TH>Paul Bobbitt <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com> writes:

TH>>Of course, I've noticed that many morning people seem
  >>more peaceful in general than their night equivalents.

TH>Since you only see us in the morning, what do you expect?  Try
  >staying up past your bedtime some night -- you're in for a treat.

I've been known to stay up before.  I can go for about 72 hours 
without sleep, but I crash for about 20 hours afterwards.  

So much of the gay scene is in the nightlife.  It seems life doesn't 
begin in the community until 11 PM.  My solution is to go to sleep at 
7 PM and set my alarm VERY early.  I have been known to arrive at a bar 
at 2:00 AM, just after waking up, when there's still a lot of action.

               Paul

 * 1st 1.02b #897 * paul.bobbitt@canrem.com  GEnie: P.BOBBITT  (1:229/15)  ->CRS
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: The MOW Platform (was Re: NOTICE - Details...)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:30:44 GMT
Distribution: world 
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

jclander@texas.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander) writes:
>Similarly, if the March platform is discussed at all by anyone outside the
>March (politicians, news media), the marchers will be assumed to be supporters
>of the platform _as_ _a_ _whole_.

ohhhhh, isn't life just so unfair?!  all those gay people
in the march and the rest of the world will only see those
show-off drag queens!  transgender people have all the luck!

>I do not assert that one must agree with
>all of the demands on the platform (and I have no trouble with that word),
>but one must decide that the platform as a whole is deserving of support.

why?  the platform be damned.  i'm going to march on
washington because gay issues are suddenly hotter than
jojo in a sex club, and i want to keep it that way.  we've
won some real focus in this country, and i don't want to
give the spotlight over to the hate-mongers yet.

with respect to my actual support of the platform, i
suppose it helps to understand that the same reasoning used
by racists, sexists, and anti-abortionists is also applied
to gay civil rights.  what does the statement "no one is
free until we are *all* free" mean?  it means that no one's
individual freedom is guaranteed while there exists the
potential to limit anyone's individual freedom.
From: hbaldwin@mizar.usc.edu (Harry Baldwin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction
Date: 18 Dec 1992 11:40:11 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <cccrsbc8.724635893@brolga> cccrsbc8@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (cc rs) writes:

>I was wondering if you guys would mind contributing
>to a list of books by GLB authors or about GLB topics
>that you would recommend as essential motss reading:
>
>EM Forster:  Maurice
>Radclyffe Hall:  Well of Loneliness
>Nicholson:  Portrait of a marriage (Vita Sackville-West)
>Paul Bowles: Pages from Cold Point
>James Baldwin: Giovanni's Room
>Ed White:  Boy's own Story

Here's a start:

Djuna Barnes: Nightwood
Paul Bowles: Collected Stories (Pages is a short story)
William Burroughs: Naked Lunch
Truman Capote: Other Voices, Other Rooms
Jean Cocteau: any of his films. Although not overt, they are saturated with his              own gay sensibility
Andre Gide: The Immoralist
Henry James: The Turn of the Screw (no sniggering in the back please). The 
             Pupil (short story)
Petronius: The Satiricon
Plato: The Symposium
Proust: Remembrance of Things Past, or, more accurately; In Search of Lost TimeShakespeare: Richard II
Gore Vidal: The City and the Pillar.  Also the Collected Essays.              
Tennessee Williams: One Arm, Hard Candy (short story collections)
                    Streetcar Named Desire, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, Suddenly
                    Last Summer (just re-filmed with Maggie Smith (!)) and the                     one act plays
From: berninge@cs.purdue.edu (James Berninger)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:11:47 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University
NNTP-Posting-Host: alice.cs.purdue.edu

In article <1992Dec16.150901.29250@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>	Superior (IMHO) suggestions:
>
>	soc.motss[.misc]
>	soc.motss.info (moderated)
>	soc.motss.current...(items of interest to the GBLO*-community)
The name "current" bugs me -- "current-events" would be better, I
think, unless my interpretation of what you mean by "current" is
off.

>	I would also be happy to see s.m.c used as an experiment in
>passive moderation (if that could be set up)...  If that ever happened,
>I suppose that one would need to set up a soc.motss.d or a mailing
>list for such. (See my previous post for a description of passive
>moderation).
Some previous posters have recommended moderating to a very limited
degree -- filtering out the crosspostings my one method or another.
I disagree with this, since it essentially alienates the readers of
this group from the rest.  If a flame gets crossposted, we may never
see it, and the offender may just think we've hidden ourselves.  Or,
we're the only ones to see our own follow-ups.  

>	While I like Jess' idea for a soc.motss.caring, etc.  I just
>don't see it solving any of the problems we're currently facing.
>It would only get maybe 5% of the bandwidth...
I agree with a previous poster -- "soc.motss.support".

I'd also like to see "soc.motss.travel", to localize those "anyone
know what/who to do in xxx", etc.

I'm glad to see that there's a lot of discussion about splitting
soc.motss -- it's almost gotten too big for its own good, IMHO.

  ______   Jim Berninger: berninge@cs.purdue.edu  |     Hate is not     ______
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From: shaevel@Apple.COM (Jeff Shaevel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Hi, everyone!
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:00:54 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Sorry I haven't written in a long time, but I've been crazy busy.  
A good busy, but busy nevertheless...

Anyway, I'm going to be in the San Francisco area starting tomorrow (21st)
and just thought I'd let everyone know just in case anyone remembers me
and wants to say HI!  I'll be staying at 24 Henry for 3 days, and then after
that I'll be travelling around and probably not be reachable.  Still, if
anyone has a minute and wants to get together, drop a line.

Ob soc.motss: sorry for disappearing for so long, but great things have
been happening.  I'll post about them soon, PROMISE....

Ciao...

-- 
===================================================================
Jeff Shaevel        :-)-: (comedy/tragedy)    Love may be blind, 
shaevel@apple.com                             but lust is autistic.
"Hey! Shut up you STUPID OLD BITCH!" - Tony Whitcomb, SHEAR MADNESS
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Child Molesters (Re: Youth Info Needed)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 23:53:05 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec18.173006.16844@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>

Anthony Berno writes:
>Oh Phil, Phil, whisper those sweet nothings in my ear again. You know how
>much I love those big, bad biker types...

As do we *all*, of course!  But what does this have to do with
that snivelling wimp Ph*l?  

;-{)##]

 
() Christian: One who believes that the New Testament is a
() divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual
() need of his neighbor.
()      -- Ambrose Bierce
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