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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 09:24:00 IST
From:         Odeda Zlotnick <KPUOZ@HUJIVM1>
Subject:      Re: Memory management question /clarification
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Having just read Michael Shalev's posting I noticed my former might be
misleading:  It is DOS 5.0's memory manager (the aforementiond emm386.exe)
that absolutely needs a 386.  Other's as Michael rightly said can _fake_ UMB's.

                                                   Odeda.
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 92 22:12:22 EDT
From:         Jerry Walsh <WALSHJ@SJUVM>
Subject:      Memory management question
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Recent discussion on the list of loading NB high (both 3 and 4), and of
tweaking the system for maximum memory prompts this cry for suggestions:
being prehistoric, I run a 286-clone (Gateway 2000 flavor, if it helps),
with 2M of RAM.  I load MS-DOS 5.0 high.  According to the MSDOS manual,
I might be able to load device drivers and even some programs high (i.e.
into the UMBs) as well, but nothing seems to work.  I suspect I need an
unspecified memory manager to accomplish this on my system.  (Yes, I do
have HIMEM.SYS loaded, and dos=high,umb in my CONFIG.SYS, and they both
precede my devicehigh commands, which have no effect.)  If it is of any
consequence, when I do a DOS mem /c command, I get no information at all
about upper memory except that MSDOS is loaded there.  Ideas, please?  I
would greatly like to take advantage of those UMBs.  Thanks.

Jerome T. Walsh                                 WALSHJ@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU
Department of Theology and Religious Studies         WALSHJ@SJUVM.BITNET
St. John's University                                (718) 990-6161x5432
Jamaica, New York  11439                             (718) 476-2126(msg)
(and, no, NB4 hasn't made it across the Hudson to Long Island yet...)
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 11:19:21 -0500
From:         Kenneth Salzberg <ksalzber@HAMLINE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 and outlines
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Actually the nb3 doesn't _require_ ALT+(1-9) to go up and down levels,
ALT+= goes down one level, ALT+- goes up one level and ALT+0 provides
another item at the same level.  One can thus invoke absolute levels
with the 1-9 keys, and relative level with the next three keys one the
(oops - that's  "on" the) board.  The carriage return for the same level
sounds like it might be easier, and the <CR> plus + or - sounds like
they just changed the activating key from the ALT to a <CR>.
--Ken Salzberg
ksalzber@hamline.edu
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:04:09 EDT
From:         Austin Kerr <akerr@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      thesaurus
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I cannot get the Thesaurus to install on NB 4.  I had to take NB 3 off of the
hard disk before I installed NB 4, because my wife has so much of her research
material on it.

Now, when I try to install the Thesaurus, I am told to put Notabene 2 in the a
drive; then I am told to put the NB3 Thesaurus disk in the A drive, and the
messages simply have me flipping back and forth, switching disks, but the
thesaurus never installs.

Any suggestions, prior to my being able to obtain a clear phone line to NB
Informatics?

Austin Kerr
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 21:05:02 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: effective use of umb's
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In reference to the amount of upper memory that various video cards
use--

The most upper memory is, of course, available on systems that use a
mono card like the HGC+.  Standard VGA cards still leave plenty of
memory free, though--on 386 systems the ranges from B000-B7FF,
C800-EFFF are usually available.  Some SVGA adaptors use part or all
of the C800-CFFF range, but that still leaves D000-EFFF.

Even using E000-EFFF as a page frame if one wants to use EMS for such
things as MX=10 one would still have the 32K from B000-B7FF and the
64K from D000-DFFF free for drivers.  Loading DOS high doesn't use any
of this, it uses only the HMA (which can't be used by LOADHI anyway).
That leaves 96K for loading drivers, which can really be quite a lot
of memory if it is used carefully.  If one doesn't neet EMS then the
NOEMS switch would yield 160K.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:16:35 GMT
From:         Lee Komito <LKOMITO@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Re: thesaurus
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              5 Oct 92 16:04:09 EDT from <akerr@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

On Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:04:09 EDT Austin Kerr said:
>
>I cannot get the Thesaurus to install on NB 4.  I had to take NB 3 off of the
>hard disk before I installed NB 4, because my wife has so much of her research
>material on it.
>
>Now, when I try to install the Thesaurus, I am told to put Notabene 2 in the a
>drive; then I am told to put the NB3 Thesaurus disk in the A drive, and the
>messages simply have me flipping back and forth, switching disks, but the
>thesaurus never installs.

Perhaps just re-install the few necessary NB3 files that the NB4 install
program looks for, as well as the dictionary or thesaurus files that
NB4 install will then copy over to NB4? I presume that the install
program looks only for your registration file (nbH? or nbl?) and
perhaps the main exe file.


Lee Komito                       Internet: lkomito@irlearn.ucd.ie
Dept of Sociology                CREN/Bitnet/Earn: lkomito@irlearn
University College, Dublin       phone: +353 1 706-7106
Belfield, Dublin 4; Ireland      Fax: +353 1 269-4409
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 08:54:00 +0200
From:         Michael Shalev <SHALEV@HUJIVMS>
Subject:      Re: Memory management question
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Jerome Walsh--you need a memory manager that can use either your
EMS (expanded memory) or better, Shador Ram, to fake upper memory
blcoks. Whether you can do it depends on the chipset that your
motherboard was built around. Chips and Technologies sets are usually
a sure bet. The easy way to do this is to use DRDOS which has its
own memory manager. The harder, but better way (that also works on
a much wider range of chipsets--and has a utility to check in advance
if it will work on yours) isd to download The Last Byte from SIMTEL
or one of its clones. Look in the SYSUTLS (I think that's the spelling)
subdirectory for entires beginning LB or TLB.
..Michael
P.S. Sorry about the typos!
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 19:51:00 IST
From:         Odeda Zlotnick <KPUOZ@HUJIVM1>
Subject:      Tragedy in Amsterdam
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I am sitting in Jerusalem, looking for the words to convey my feelings to
Teun and our Dutch colleagues.  It is the marvel of technology that helps
us communicate.  And yet when technology betrays us -- how horrendous things
become.

Israel radio informed us this morning that no blood donations were needed.
Would that they were.  Would that there were a way to help.

                                         Odeda Zlotnick
                                         The Hebrew University
                                         Jerusalem Israel.
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 00:06:46 -0400
From:         Tirzah Meacham <meacham@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: good news / bad news
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              Sep 30, 92 10:32 pm

>
> First, in the "there ain't no justice" category: a friend who shall be
> nameless, after a couple of years using a "borrowed" copy of NB 3.0, was moved
> by conscience or whatever to order 4.0.  He was told there would be a delay of
> some weeks "because of the backlog of upgrade orders."  Three days later he
> received his copy.
>
> The good news?  This person, who knows even less about computers than I do,
> installed the program with no difficulty whatever, made one phone call to
> NBI's 800 number to ask about something he didn't understand, received an
> answer without waiting, and is happily typing away with no problems.
>
> His location, by the way, is about 125 miles further from NYC than mine.
>
> Moral?  Beats me, but someone must have a Talmudic quotation to fit.


Hmm-- probably --"he who borrowed three and now pays for four will
Not-a Pennie gain for his usery."

 as for the NYC business-- Its probably just a computer error by a
 postoffice beta tester. -- by the way why do they still test Betas,
 Thats probably why NB4 is  having problems-- they should have used
 VHS testers.


herb basser

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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 92 20:58:29 IST
From:         Robert D Hoberman <RHOBERMAN@SBCCMAIL>
Subject:      Phonetic characters in Lingua
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               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-3355

                                            Robert Hoberman
                                            Comparative Studies Dept.
                                            516-632-7462, -7460
                                            30-Sep-1992 02:37pm EDT
FROM:  RHOBERMAN
TO:    Remote Addressee                     ( _notabene@taunivm.bitnet )

SUBJECT: Phonetic characters in Lingua









When confronted with Lingua's "Pick from inventory" feature (Alt+F6) I was like
a child in a candy shop; or more like the cooks who are described by Robert
Capon in SUPPER OF THE LAMB as pulling spices off the shelf "like E. Power
Biggs gone mad at the keyboard of the mighty Wurlitzer."  And much frustrated
when I couldn't get some of the symbols to print, while Hebrew and Greek print
beautifully.  Turns out (per Rebecca at NBI) the IPA phonetic symbols, though
they show on the screen, are not yet implemented for printing.  Rebecca
promised to send me a chart showing which symbols are printable.

Bob
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From: M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
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Subject: Re: NB4 Memory Requirements
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:00:51 GMT
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              9210:33 am

>
>
> Mervyn E. Bennun writes:
>
> > I tried adding "lh nb" to the batch file with which I start NB 3.1.
> > ...
> > The other odd thing was that when quitting, NB promptly ran again
> > once. I decided that possibly my system did not recognise lh nb
> > (though I load high other bits) and interpreted "lh nb" as a command
> > to run NB; so it ran nb first off that line, and then - working its
> > way through the batch file line by line - off the line that just said
> > "nb" (and which is supposed to run NB in the batch file) when I quit
> > the first time, and then finally quit definitively on the second QUIT
> > command.
>
> The batch file is doing exactly what you tell it to do.  First it runs
> NB from the "lh nb" line, attempting to load the program high (and
> apparently failing here, possibly do to lack of sufficient space).
> Next it runs nb from the "nb" line.  Both lines tell your system to
> run NB, one with the NB.COM loader resident in Upper Memory Blocks.
> The technique under discussion is not to load NB.COM and *then* to run
> NB--loading NB.COM *does* run NB.
>
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
> Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
> (718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
>

I fear I might have tested Paul's patience once again.....

The thick yellow encrustation you see below my eyebrows is the egg on
my face. After my posting, I experimented a bit further and then
resorted to the final act of desperation for when all else fails - I
read the Manual. It's all there.... But whining in defence and
cowering under my keyboard, I plead in mitigation that the word "load"
is not synonymous with "run" in English, and I speak Emesdoss but
influently even though I long have dwelt in the land of the
Peesees.....

Ahem.

But I still can't make out why I get the identical F7 result (all
other things such as dictionaries being held rigidly constant)
wherther I use "lh nb" or "nb" in my batch file. I also did something,
which I cannot replicate, which gave me an extra __20K__ (none of your
paltry 11K nonsense for me, lads!).

I don't think I'll experiment further for the moment - I'm not getting
anywhere. But I will watch for more wisdom from the List - and as
always from Paul the Patient.
 ---------------
Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
Phone: (+44) (0) 392 263 161
Postal Address: Amory Building, Rennes Drive, Exeter EX4 4RJ, Devon, U.K.
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 92 07:14:43 LCL
From:         "John E. Koontz" <koontz@ALPHA.BLDR.NIST.GOV>
Subject:      What is TACT?
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TACT is an interactive system for indexing and retrieving the tokens in a
text.  I think of it as an interactive concordance program.  Things that set
it apart from tools of this genre:  ability to refer to subfields, e.g., in
an interlinear text you can restrict searches to one language or the other;
regular expression matching for tokens; some attempt to make the package
deal with nonstandard symbol sets, although the scheme is a bit of a tight
fit, if you don't use a symbol set that they anticipated.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 92 23:05:58 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: Distribution of 4.0 and Lingua
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Re: fonts for lingua

I would like to repeat here the information about my Hebrew
fonts for lingua:

I have stored an alternative fonts file under the name
NBLINGUA.FNT in NB-LNG01.ZIP (available from TAU server
and SIMTEL20<MSDOS.NOTABENE>. If you are going to use it,
rename your NB.FNT file, tehn rename my NBLINGUA.FNT to
NB.FNT. The rest will be taken care of by the pgm. I
have prepared this file for HGC+, but we have been informed that
the same fonts adapt themselves to VGA as well.

Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 10:33:57 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements
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Mervyn E. Bennun writes:

> I tried adding "lh nb" to the batch file with which I start NB 3.1.
> ...
> The other odd thing was that when quitting, NB promptly ran again
> once. I decided that possibly my system did not recognise lh nb
> (though I load high other bits) and interpreted "lh nb" as a command
> to run NB; so it ran nb first off that line, and then - working its
> way through the batch file line by line - off the line that just said
> "nb" (and which is supposed to run NB in the batch file) when I quit
> the first time, and then finally quit definitively on the second QUIT
> command.

The batch file is doing exactly what you tell it to do.  First it runs
NB from the "lh nb" line, attempting to load the program high (and
apparently failing here, possibly do to lack of sufficient space).
Next it runs nb from the "nb" line.  Both lines tell your system to
run NB, one with the NB.COM loader resident in Upper Memory Blocks.
The technique under discussion is not to load NB.COM and *then* to run
NB--loading NB.COM *does* run NB.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Subject:      TMP files in NB4
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              kelly F" at Sep 24, 92 7:02 pm

robert kelly F writes:-
>
> Gerald,
>
> One thing I noticed in your first posting was that you referred to a master
> template file which you called NBBIB.TMP.  Is it not the case that any file
> named xxxx.TMP is a temporary file (e.g. PRINT.TMP) not a template file?
This reminds me to alert NB4 users to a potential disaster.
For some stupid reason, NB4 uses .TMP file name extension for Template files
which are used to record things like names of recently used textfiles,
and other things.
If you are in the (good) habit of regularly deleting temporary files from
anywhere on your harddisk with some variation of DEL *.TMP in all sub-
directories, watchout!  I can't think of anyway of easily working around
this problem.  We maybe able to alter references in NB4 to *.TMP files
to, say, *.TPL but it would be best if NBI had a (re)think about this.

--
Neil Brooks, University of Exeter Computer Unit
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From:         Juan Jose Alarcon Sainz <jazzvax@FILO.UCM.ES>
Subject:      Questions about LINGUA and Deskjet 500
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Two simple questions.

Has anybody there printed something in Hebrew, Greek and transcription
with LINGUA and a Deskjet 500?

Does LINGUA need the 256 K RAM cartridge to print these fonts in this
printer?

Thank you. Waiting for your answer...
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 10:59:58 -0700
From:         Willis Johnson <willis@VIOLET.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      error messages when printing with NB 4.0 and HP IIIP
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I am consistently getting several error messages  when I print long
documents with NB 4.0 (lingua / Hebrew) and an HP laserjet IIIP.
Most of them flash by before I can read them but about every
7 pages or so NB says there has been a printer error and asks
whether it should continue.  It waits for me to anser yes before
starting printing again.  Despite the error messages the printed
documents are always beautiful.  I have heard that NB simply misinterprets
some of the codes sent back by the HP which are not really error messages.
My friend told me that he thinks there's a parameter I can set in
the setup file to tell NB to ignore these messages to no ill effect.
Suggestions?

Willis Johnson
willis@violet.berkeley.edu
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 92 11:40:24 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      NB 4.0 /NBLINGUA memory management with LOADHIGH
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Re: Nota Bene 4.0 (NBLINGUA) memory management

I have tested LOADHIGH (LH) with Nota Bene 4.0 Lingua, and have
received the same results as reported on this list by other
members. However, there is in my case a remarkable discrepancy
between the amount of memory reported by DOS and that reported by
Nota Bene (I am _not_ of course referring to the discrepancy
caused by loading an extra portion of COMMAND.COM when shelling
to DOS, which is anyway negligible with 4DOS. (4DOS loads its
"resident portion" on UMB rather than on conventional memory.)

When Nota Bene is _not_ loaded, DOS reports
-------------------------------------------
Total  FREE (Conventional Memory):   706752   (690.2K)
Total  FREE (Upper Memory):          184128   (179.8K)

When Nota Bene (NBLINGUA) _is_ loaded
-------------------------------------
==DOS reports
Total  FREE (Conventional Memory):    393536   (384.3K)
Total  FREE Upper Memory):            167696   (163.8K)

==NBLINGUA reports:
351K free

This large discrepancy (at least 33K) is perhaps caused by
NBLINGUA failure to use the extra memory gained by using
UMB_DRVR.SYS (706752 / 690.2K instead of 640K) instead of EMM386
as UMB manager. If this is true (Paul Bodin can perhaps check
this with NBI people), it is strange in view of the fact that
Nota Bene 3.1 _does_ recognize this extra memory (I normally get
some 387K free with Nota Bene 3.1 loaded).

(UMB_DRVR.SYS was discussed on this list before; please search
the logs with LDBASE if you are interested.)

However, even an 11K gain for NBLINGUA is remarkable.

Itamar Even-Zohar
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From:         Gregory Bloomquist <GBLOOMQ@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>
Subject:      LINE NUMBERS IN CRITICAL EDITIONS
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A colleague who is contemplating purchasing Notabene would like to know:
how, when using multiple footnote levels (critical apparatus), is the text re-
ferred to, since normally for critical editions, numbering is according to the
line (i.e., is there a line numbering facility in Notabene)?

Greetings.

L. Gregory Bloomquist
Saint Paul University / University of Ottawa

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