From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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Subject: Re: Further exposing a historical revisionist and a genocide apologist.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:54:09 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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In article <1ghb56INNdaf@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic) writes:

>>Your lack of intelligence has to be divinely inspired. When
>>you have finished lying I'd suggest you answer the points 
>>scholars have raised below. Where is your non-existent list,
>>"joker"? Here is mine. Typical "moronian".

>  Oh, no, is that the best nicname you could come up with?  I don't like that,
>could you come up with something more interesting?

After all, you are standing there with a razor in your hand. If that
is the only argument you people have with my articles, then why even
bother? A report dated December 24, 1912, No. 63, addressed to the 
Russian ambassador in Istanbul and prepared by the Bitlis Russian Consul,
gives the following description of the activities of the Dahsnaktsutiun
Party:

 "The Dashnaks have had a considerable part to play in forming Armenian
  public opinion in the manner described above. This committee is taking
  great pains to instigate clashes between the Armenian and Moslem
  population, so as to give rise to a critical situation which would
  attract Russian intervention and prepare the ground for the invasion
  of the country by Russian troops."

Both in this province and in Van, the Armenians complied as soon as
they were called up to the army, but as soon as they were conscripted
and given weapons, they deserted and, forming bands, joined with the 
enemy to fight against the Ottoman troops and the gendarmerie.

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
        "Document No: 78," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 15-110, Drawer 
        No: 11-4, File No: 401, Section No: 1578, Contents No: 2.
        (To His Excellency General Nazarbekov, Commander of Armenian
        Army Corps at Kinakiri - Chairman of Ottoman Negotiation
        Commission and Commander of Army Corps, Kazim Karabekir)

"It has been learnt from the statements of reliable people escaping
 from the Erivan region that, Moslem population living under the 
 jurisdiction of the Government of the Armenian Republic, are not
 yet free, and that many are still being massacred by Armenian gangs,
 and their properties plundered."


        "Document No: 47," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 162, Drawer 
        No: 2, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 6-33, 6-34.
        (To General Perjovalski, Commander-in-Chief of Russian Caucasian
        Armies - Commander, Caucasian Front Ottoman Armies, General 
        Vehip Mehmet)

"Honorable General,

 I am sorry to have the obligation of informing you with deep regret
 how terrible and painful are the uninterrupted cruelties and abuses
 by Armenians on the Moslem population of the Ottoman land under
 Russian occupation, as is apparent once again with incidents
 recently reported. 

 1. Son of Karamehmet and his four brothers from Zazalar village
 now residing in Erzincan were cruelly hacked to death by Armenians
 at the opium poppy mill.

 2. Kurt Mehmet Aga in Demirciler of Erzincan was murdered while a 
 Moslem women was kidnapped by Armenians.

 3. Former Municipal clerk of Erzincan Mehmet Efendi was kidnapped
 by Armenians while his mother, his wife and his four year old child
 were brutally murdered and their bodies dismembered.

 4. Armenians attempted to abduct wife of Veysi, son of Gulbahar from
 Arus, and Veysi was murdered as he resisted.

 5. Armenians murdered Dursun, son of Saso Huseyin from Mezraa village
 at his home.

 6. Ismail, son of Mehmet from Pacenc was murdered by Armenians.

 7. On 12 January, Armenians raided Kelaras village, shooting dead
 seven Moslems after tying their hands.

 8. On 7 January, a group of Armenians in Russian uniforms kidnapped
 some 50 men and women from the Ful district on the Black Sea coast,
 took them in the direction of Trabzon. The corpse of Huseyin Cavus
 from Sahmelek village, four kms southwest of Sarli Pazari, who was 
 among those kidnapped, was later found in the Ful river.

 9. Two Moslem from Kizilagac, seven kms south of Sarli Pazari were
 found dead, apparently stabbed by bayonets, hands and legs tied.

 10. An officer of Greek origin from Kar, provoked a few Armenian
 and Greek enlisted men, climbing on the minaret of Ful mosque,
 firing arms from the minaret, killing four Moslems who happened
 to be in the vicinity.

 11. Vasil and Kosti from Cemberogullari, from the village of
 Erikli of Yurul, now settled in Gorele in cooperation with Greek
 and Armenian soldiers, begun a massacre against the Moslem 
 inhabitants of the villages in the area, and unfortunately,
 Russian soldiers took part in a number of actions, during which
 women were subjected to inhuman and immoral attacks and humiliations.

 12. For a month, Armenian gangs in Russian military uniforms have
 massacred the Moslem inhabitants of Nefsi Sarli, Akkilise and 
 Inesil villages west of Sarli Pazari, plundering their properties
 and raping them.

 13. On 5 January, Armenian gangs raided Islam village Aralikos
 between Filteroglu and Gokeli east of Gorele and the Kirikli
 village seven and half kms east of Cavuslu, plundering the village.

 14. An Armenian gang of 50 men raided Ardase district centre, 
 plundering properties and burning the market street.

 The above incidents are based on concrete evidence and documents,
 and I would like to point out that I have omitted incidents without
 clear proof and it is also possible that there are many incidents
 of which no information has yet reached us.

 I wholeheartedly hope that measures and immediate action will be
 taken and that these measures will be urgently implemented. Please
 accept my deepest respects."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)