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From: mortense@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Alvin Nor Mortensen)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: finger/pick/flipper maneuver...
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:04:01 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

tom@cpac.washington.edu (Tom May) writes:

>In article <1992Nov17.040511.28258@Princeton.EDU> clements@roof.Princeton.EDU (John Brinckerhoff Clements) writes:
>>Christ on a Crutch--damn fine hardcore band).  I find, though, that for
>>the really fast numbers I get the best speed by positioning my hand
>>above the fingerboard and using one finger (straight) like a pick on one
>>string, i.e. flipping it back and forth across that one string.  Anybody
>>else employ this technique?

>I've seen Geddy Lee on videos doing a single-finger stroke which involves
>the usual downwards motion followed immediately by an upstroke on the same
>string (usually followed immediately by another downstroke).  You can
>hear it several times about 1 minute 5 seconds into Hemispheres, among
>other places.  He doesn't keep it up machine-gun style, though.
>--
>Tom.

I've heard that Jeff Beck does something like this now. Apparently he's
playing mostly with his fingers these days. He's is supposed
to sometimes use a technique like the one you've discibed. I haven't seen
him play, so this is all second hand.     
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Bass for $500 ?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:33:29 GMT

In article <1ebjadINNg2d@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> mortense@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Alvin Nor Mortensen) writes:
>On a completely unrelated note: Has anyone tried the acoustic bass
>guitar by Ovation (Model CC74)? It's a roundback acoustic-electric. I saw one
>in a catalog (American Musical Supply - $420) and thought it looked
>interesting.
>
I have tried a roundback Ovation acoustic that was selling for $330. Probably
the same one, although I didn't ask the model number.
  I hated the round back personally, but that's just me. It played pretty
well. The sound was lousy, but no worse that any acoustic in that price
range is gonna sound, and some higher-priced models sound worse. First,
I'd ask myself why I wanted an acoustic to begin with, but it you decide
you do want an inexpensive acoustic bass guitar, and if you can stand the
round back, this one is as good as any that I've seen.
  I have also seen Hohners with flat backs that had about as good a sound
in the same price range. If you don't like the round back, check this one
out.
-- 
Steve Schmidt			<><		   whale@leland.stanford.edu
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist
indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist
conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt)
Subject: Re: finger/pick/flipper maneuver...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:24:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.040511.28258@Princeton.EDU> clements@roof.Princeton.EDU (John Brinckerhoff Clements) writes:
>for the really fast numbers I get the best speed by positioning my hand
>above the fingerboard and using one finger (straight) like a pick on one
>string, i.e. flipping it back and forth across that one string.  Anybody
>else employ this technique?
>
I've seen it described in bass instruction books; usually it's called
finger tremolo or something like that. I've tried it and I can't really do
it. (Then again, I can't do Victor Wooten's double-pluck thumb trick either,
despite the fact that the master himself showed me how. BTW, someone
posted something about his basses looking like Tobias: actually the main
axe is a Fodera. It does look like a Tobias though. I don't remember what
his fretless is.)
  My impression is that you're usually better off using the pick, although
if you have a song you want to play fingerstyle but it has a fast passage
you might switch to this for an interlude.

My 0.02.
-- 
Steve Schmidt			<><		   whale@leland.stanford.edu
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist
indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist
conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: clements@bow.Princeton.EDU (John Brinckerhoff Clements)
Subject: Re: THE TRUSS ROD ON A MUSICMAN was Re: Strange silly question
Keywords: bass setups truss rod
Organization: Mulch Menders Inc.
Distribution: world,local
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:22:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.162732.27154@Cadence.COM> noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz) writes:
>	I was wondering. On my musicman 5 string stingray you don't 
>	enter the truss rod at the top of the neck.  I believe it is
>	at the bottom of the neck cause it has this round like dial
>	with allen(sp) holes in it.  

  Actually, I believe this particular hole is for the neck tilt
adjustment, not the truss rod.  Perhaps someone who is more
well-informed will help out?

john clements
21, struple bumtuck

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From: rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass,rec.music.makers.bass,nj.forsale,pa.forsale,misc.forsale,us.forsale.misc
Subject: Kramer fretless for sale (aluminum neck)
Keywords: kramer fretless
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:38:02 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers.bass
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


For sale: Kramer electric bass, frets removed (filled with gray
so the markings remain visible): $300.

This is a very classy-looking bass, with a heavily-lacquered natural
maple body, clean ebony neck, and split aluminum head and aluminum
tuning mechanisms. It has Jazz-style pickups, and I've added a hidden
acoustic pickup. The added pickup is useful if you've got a high-gain
amp; otherwise you may leave it switched off.

Due to the aluminum-reinforced neck and the heavy (but small) body,
the bass has very good sustain and a solid, "electric" sound.

I'll include a solid carrying case and "curly" cable.

Ralph Gonzalez
rgonzal@elbereth.rutgers.edu
-- 
Ralph Gonzalez, Computer Science, Rutgers Univ., Camden, NJ
Phone: (609) 757-6122; Internet: rgonzal@elbereth.rutgers.edu
--
From: aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Ovation CC74 (was Re: Bass for $500 ?)
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:34:44 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

it's alright ma, I'm only bleeding (mojo@reed.edu) wrote:
: In article <1ebjadINNg2d@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> mortense@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Alvin Nor Mortensen) writes:
: >On a completely unrelated note: Has anyone tried the acoustic bass
: >guitar by Ovation (Model CC74)? It's a roundback acoustic-electric. I saw one
: 
: I saw the one in the American Musical Supply catalog too, and was
: intrigued enough to ask a local music-store guy about it; he says it's a
: cheapo plywood-top import, comparable to the Applause line.
: 
: I have played the similar bass sold under the Applause name, and the tone
: just sucks.  No low end at all, and just kind of a "boomp" in the
: midrange.  (I'm speaking of acoustic tone---I didn't plug it in.)

  I played something that sounds very similar only it was a fretless version.
  The wood on the neck was quite odd as it felt more like a platicised
  kitchen worksurface (counter) than real wood. It was quite easy and gentle
  to play but lacked any definition, especially when plugged in.

		Aaron Turner		aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
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From: saiasr@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Saias Remi)
Subject: Ibanez GT ?
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:18:58 GMT

Hi,
Last week i sent a message to get some hints,
about buying a bass for $500 can.
I got a dozen of answers and i thank all those
who replied me...

I've been in a big music shop this afternoon
(Steve's, in Montreal, those who may know...), and i've
tried an Ibanez from the GT series. I'm not sure but 
i think the model is the CTB3 or CBT3, something like
that. It was for $809 CAN, reduced to $549. 
I found it great: versatile, with J and P-bass active
pick-ups, light, quite good action...
But i'm no professional, and if someone among you,
know this model i'd like to have your opinion about it.
What are the drawbacks i may find in the future with 
this instrument.
At the moment i play Blues, old Rock'n Roll, and 
U2-music but i'm thinking about learning slap...

		Thanks.    Remi.
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From: mjm@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Michael Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Music Emporium
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:37:26 GMT
Reply-To: Michael Murphy <mjm@reef.cis.ufl.edu>
Distribution: alt
Organization: The Bookhouse Boys

Could someone tell me how to get in touch with the Music Emporium?
Phone number would be best, or else an address.

I'm told they offer StingRays in all configurations, and at the best prices,
so i need to check that out.

Thanks.
--

"if god wanted us to vote he would've given us candidates."
						-Ice-T
"Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball."

Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz)
Subject: THE TRUSS ROD ON A MUSICMAN was Re: Strange silly question
Keywords: bass setups truss rod
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:27:32 GMT

>
>I wrote that article in The Bottom Line, so I'll answer this one.  (I'll
>try to be more specific in a revision of the article...)
>
>The truss rod adjuster does have a right hand thread, at least on all the
>basses I've ever seen, so:
>
>To pull the neck back away from the strings, turn the truss rod adjuster
>clockwise.  To loosen the neck and let it move forward toward the strings,
>turn the truss rod adjuster counter-clockwise.
>
>Have fun with it,
>-Doug



	I was wondering. On my musicman 5 string stingray you don't 
	enter the truss rod at the top of the neck.  I believe it is
	at the bottom of the neck cause it has this round like dial
	with allen(sp) holes in it.  I've tried to turn it but it won't
	turn either way...  Is this the truss rod or not or does 
	musicman not have one which I doubt! I know this a stupid (?)
	but what the hey thats what this group is for................
			TO TALK BASS...........
                        =noah=
From: harden@acsu.buffalo.edu (Alex Harden)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Best o' Rush
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:00:45 GMT
Organization: UB

gaduncan@halcyon.com (Geoff Duncan) writes:

->    I am spacing the name of one more piece...  I think it might be called
->    "Turn The Page".  It's on A Show of Hand and one other album (Hold Your
->    Fire?), it starts in A minor with an A pedal tone and the double-stop
->    C-E sliding up to E-G on the D and G strings. Anyway.

you're thinking of "force ten"; right album.  "turn the page" also starts
with A pedal tone but A5 and G5 are played at the 14th and 12th frets 
(respectively) on the D & G strings.  this figure is then applied to Gb, F and
D [the F and D parts are improvised in the verses]

->I called these "signature" pieces because, with these firmly in hand, a lot
->of Rush's bass material is pretty straightforward.  What has always struck
->me about Geddy Lee's role in Rush is not that he's a "phenomenal" bass player:

but he is!  8)

->These tunes will get you started.  I'm a big fan of Geddy, but not only on bass.
->Frankly, I've found a lot of his bass work to be derivative; however, it almost
->always fits where it needs to ("Territories" from Power Windows being a good
->example). His bass work is interesting and appropriate, if not groundbreaking.
->One cool thing is to listen to how his tone changes over the years, from P-bass
->to Steinberger to Wal. His technique changes a bit with each shift: it's fun
->to play around with.

very much so.  and don't forget the rick!
-- 
alex harden-------------- "some are born to move the world to live their
harden@acsu.buffalo.edu--  fantasies; most of us just dream about the things
v409epk3@ubvms.bitnet----  we'd like to be" - peart "losing it" 1982
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From: rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Fender M-80 Amp Review
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 20 NOV 92 10:03:03    


    I had the chance to use a Fender M-80 bass amp on a gig last night. 
    This is a mid-range combo amp (there is also a head-only version) aimed
    at rock players.

    The amp is rated 160 watts RMS.  It has a single channel with two
    inputs, 3 band EQ (+/- markings suggest it's active), a stereo chorus
    with rate and depth control, a defeatable "delta-comp"
    compressor/limiter and a 15" Eminence driver in a light gray carpet
    covered cab.

    Like most modern amps, I needed to notch the mids to get my usual
    sound.  I wish this amp had a frequency sweep for the mids, though, as
    I would have preferred the band to be a bit higher.  The chorus was
    clean sounding and (like most choruses) totally useless at the max
    settings.  Who really uses these max rates anyway, Jacques Cousteau? 
    Forgot to check to see if it was footswitchable.  The compressor is
    similar to the DDT on Peavey amps and kicked in when I was slapping and
    chording, the amount of dynamic range restriction was typical for an
    amp in this power range.  Overall, not a bad little amp, but it has the
    same problem as many similar amps: the stock speaker lacks character.    

    It is aimed at the same market as the Peavey TNT series, but compared
    to the TNT's more flexible EQ (graphic, 2-band shelving, bright/punch
    boosts, plus master volume) this seems lacking in flexibility although
    the actual sound I got was in the same league.  If you get intimidated
    by lotsa knobs, though, this could be the ticket.

    							Brian  
					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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From: truth@sage.cc.purdue.edu (me)
Subject: Re: Advice on effects boxes
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:42:21 GMT

     I have been using a Zoon 9000 effects processor on my bass. 
It has all of the effects I could ever use as a bassist (and a few
useless ones, too.)  These include: distortion, compression, reverb,
EQ, delay, mono and stereo chorus, flange, pitch transpose, phasing,
and a few others.  It sounds better than ANY other effects processor
within $250 of it's price (especially the Korg A5), it has a headphone
output, can be run with batteries or AC, and comes with a five-pedal
footswitch.  It costs about $350.
From: franko@cco.caltech.edu (Frank Filipanits)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Bass for $500 ?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 04:16:17 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

Ditto the good reviews of the Ibanez clan;  I'm playing an Ibanez Roadstar II
I picked up 6 or 7 years ago...

Somthing else you might try is a G&L;  I almost bought one last summer
for $350 used (but I couldn't justify it).  The one I saw had active pickups,
beautiful action, and a nice, skinny neck.

I don't care for the Carvin basses;  the neck is too wide and the tone leaves
something to be desired. 

I'd suggest you just get out and play as many basses as you can until you find
one you like.

Happy hunting

-- 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Frank Filipanits Jr.    B.S. EE/Music, California Institute of Technology '92
>><< Go 'canes! >><<       M.S. Music Engineering, University of Miami    '94  
franko@alumni.caltech.edu   "I ain't evil - I'm just good lookin'..." A.Cooper
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Subject: Re: Building a bass
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:23:04 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC


Paul Scott-Murphy writes:

>	I'm very interested in building an electric bass for myself -
>the only question I have is for the standard length from bridge to the
>end of the neck. Any help? (The bass will be fretless, and the rest I
>can handle quite easily enough.)

They run from about 30 to 36 inches.  You should choose what feels most
comfortable to you.
-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: mdl@cypress.com (Matt Landrum)
Subject: Re: Please post that FAQ!
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center
	<BxtF9A.384@cs.dal.ca> <1992Nov16.180308.20619@leland.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Nov18.103440.19851@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:09:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.103440.19851@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> pn002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (peter christopher norton) writes:


   In <1992Nov16.180308.20619@leland.Stanford.EDU> whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt) writes:

   >>
   >There is a site list in the FAQ, which was last posted to agb on November
   >1st (possibly 2nd, depending on time zones).
   >I was going to hold of posting the FAQ here until December 1, but since it
   >hasn't been posted here maybe I should do it on November 15th instead. It
   >will be posted monthly thereafter in any event.

   Where's that FAQ?


Where's that confounded FAQ?  (sorry)
--


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1 Research Blvd, Suite 200      | "There's a fine line between 
Starkville, MS  39759           |  stupid and clever" -- Spinal Tap
From: harden@acsu.buffalo.edu (Alex Harden)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Advice on effects boxes
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:30:36 GMT
Organization: UB

jcherney@envy.reed.edu (Joel Alexander Cherney) writes:

>I'm looking for a "box," or whatever it's called, for my bass.  I
>spent most of the summer playing around with my friends's GSP 21 Pro,
>and I'd like to know what's available in that area for bass?
>Something less expensive, hopefully... the GSP 21 has WAY too many
>features for me to use! But I am looking for stuff like noise gate,
>compression, chorus/flange, etc.

i have a hartke head that includes compressionand eq, so that's available
for bass. 8)

i recently have begun to look to effects to define my sound.  i just bought
a DOD Bass Stereo Flanger for $60 it's great.  i might even buy another so i
can have a slow, thick flange effect for normal playing, and then have one 
set to a more noticable flange for a quick "gimmick".  i don't have a stereo
setup yet, so i really couldn't give you any advise on chorus or what not.
but flange is great.

i don't know how many rack-mountable effects processors there are exclusively
for bass, but there are floor multi-effects units made by BOSS and Korg.

later.
-- 
alex harden-------------- "some are born to move the world to live their
harden@acsu.buffalo.edu--  fantasies; most of us just dream about the things
v409epk3@ubvms.bitnet----  we'd like to be" - peart "losing it" 1982
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass,news.groups,alt.guitar.tab
From: dec@alex.com (Doug Clinton)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:rec.m.m.bass.tab
Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd
Apparently-To: mail2news@news.demon.co.uk
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:23:01 +0000

In article <Bxs0B5.8AH@news.udel.edu>, webb@chopin.udel.edu (W Webb Pickersgill) writes:
|> 	I would like to propose a new group called rec.music.makers.bass.tab
|> There is a lot of exchange and request for bass music on the r.m.m.bass
|> group and even some on the r.m.m.guitar.tab group.  I think that bassists
|> should have a place to post music without having to weed out the guitar
|> music.  Please post all interests to this new group, do not mail me them,
|> (unless you really want to) so that everyone can participate in the creation
|> of this new group.
|> 					Webb

I think this is a great idea.

-- 
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dec@alex.com				CP House,
					97-107 Uxbridge Road,
					Ealing, London, W5 5TL
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From: csl@swl.msd.ray.com (Scott Lilliott)
Subject: Re: Building a bass
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:18:54 GMT

jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin) writes:

>In article <1ef7aaINNsm@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, pscottm@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Paul Scott-Murphy) writes:
>|> 	I'm very interested in building an electric bass for myself -
>|> the only question I have is for the standard length from bridge to the
>|> end of the neck. Any help? (The bass will be fretless, and the rest I
>|> can handle quite easily enough.)
>|> 

>I believe {if I'm wrong, I hope a more knowledgable netter will correct 
>me} that the distance from the bridge to the nut is anywhere from 30 
>{short scale} to 35 {long scale} inches.  I assume a standard scale bass
>is then somewhere around 32 or 33 inches.

The easiest thing would be to go to a guitar shop and measure the distance
from the nut to the bridge on various basses, particulary one you like.

I built a fretless bass about 10 yrs ago, basically a Jazz copy. The neck
came from Warmouth, the body and pickups from Schecter. Except for wiring
and finishing, it was a bolt-together affair. I'm still using it - tonite!

S.
-- 
#   Scott Lilliott -- csl@swl.msd.ray.com 
 #  AMA #600897   "Countersteering is like benchracing. A bunch of posers   
#   DoD #0227      standing around the parts counter lying about all the
 #  INOA #8563     great twisties they've steered through."- Bill Ranck DoD 496
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From: moliver@pyramid.com (Mike Oliver)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass,news.groups,alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:rec.m.m.bass.tab
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:36:18 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology

In article <1992Nov16.185850.20851@e2big.mko.dec.com> miller@quiver.enet.dec.com (Brian A. Miller) writes:
>
>>In article <Bxs0B5.8AH@news.udel.edu>, webb@chopin.udel.edu (W Webb Pickersgill) writes:
>>|> 	I would like to propose a new group called rec.music.makers.bass.tab
>
>Agreed.  Bring on ...bass.tab !!!

I've no objection to the group, but please name it r.m.m.bass.tablature
so that it's consistent with the existing r.m.m.guitar.tablature.

Why do we have r.m.m.g.tablature rather than r.m.m.g.tab in the first
place ?  So that people don't think it's for discussion of guitar music
used in cola commercials, I guess.  It has the dubious distinction of
being the only group I read that causes the `rn' newsgroup prompt to
fold onto a second line.

Mike.

moliver@pyramid.com
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