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From: rob@cs.man.ac.uk (Robert Marshall)
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Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:55:55 GMT
Reply-To: Robert Marshall <rajm@cs.man.ac.uk>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester
In-reply-to: creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu's message of 3 Nov 92 15:34:41 GMT

> On 3 Nov 92 15:34:41 GMT,  Steve Creps said:
Steve>    It is also not reasonable to argue that homosexuality is not
Steve> against God's will, as Scripture contains condemnation of it in both
Steve> the Old Testament and the New Testament, as has always Sacred
Steve> Tradition.  Therefore, those who unfortunately have this orientation
Steve> should try their best to remain chaste, and always remember that if
Steve> they fail in this, God's forgiveness always awaits them, no matter how
Steve> many times they must ask for it.

Much as I agree with the trustworthiness of God's forgiveness, isn't
the result of these two statements the (inadvertent) promotion of
homosexual promiscuity (yes I know I'm risking Paul's argument in
Romans 5 here!). Someone who only indulges in an occasional gay one
night stand can be deemed to have repented the rest of the time,
whereas, a gay couple who after serious consideration decide to commit
themselves to each other are beyond repentance and are condemned.

Robert
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From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Calif. Prop 161

Does anyone know the outcome of California Proposition 161, the
Euthanasia bill that would legalize euthanasia in California?

Eric
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From:         Blaine <BDAMICO@GWUVM.BITNET>

THis is not a vote either way regarding Mr. Mcelwane (sp?)
but Nature does require a grain of sand to irrita
te the oyster into making a pearl.
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From:         Blaine <BDAMICO@GWUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: McElwaine
              20 Oct 1992 23:04:21 GMT from <pmetzger@SNARK.SHEARSON.COM>

To quote Bucky "Universe is the minimum and only perpetual motion machine"
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From:         "(Melcir Erskine-Richmond)" <globalcp@CUE.BC.CA>
Subject:      Oyster-pearls

> THis is not a vote either way regarding Mr. Mcelwane (sp?)
> but Nature does require a grain of sand to irrita
> te the oyster into making a pearl.

In this case, we've not been getting many pearls lately, so
perhaps the listowner would re-post some of the oldy-but-goody
collections from his reserves of historical postings!
Best,
Melcir
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Subscribe CWIS    Rachel Levasseur
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:15:23 GMT
From:         "C.K.Work" <C.K.Work@SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Justification for CWIS
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>
>   I'm currently developing a grant proposal for a CWIS system for
> our university.  The question that comes up and for which I don't
> have a very articulate answer is:  What does a CWIS do that a network
> doesn't?  Basically, I think that a CWIS represents an easier way
> of accessing information e.g. it's simply one of a number of ways that
> an organization "packages" information to better serve its users.
> Has anyone else run across this question and how did you answer it in
> your particular situation?
>

A network is just bits of wire & black boxes - its whats on the network
that counts! While a network may give you access to various local and
remote information services, does this constitute a CWIS? It depends how
you interpret CWIS - is it campus wide access to information resources or
is it access to information about the campus (it could entail both). I lean
towards the 2nd interpretation. Our justification for developing a CWIS was
to provide an easy-to-use, single point of reference for up to date
information about the university. Its ultimate aim is to be able to answer
any staff or student query about the university and its facilities without
the need to refer to one of the many printed directories, pamphlets etc. -
 which of course are always being lost and are out of date the moment they
come back from the printers!

To achieve this clearly implies a need to collate, organise and package
information (though there are many possible ways of doing so) and is
therefore active rather than passive (as might be the case in just letting
some people add things to the network in an ad hoc fashion).

Can you justify the cost of doing this? Maybe, in the long term, given
units can save costs on hardcopy production (we're starting to acheive
this). Also, you may be able to offer services which would not be practical
in any other way. Less tangible will be staff costs saved which might
otherwise be spent hunting around for those elusive bits of paper!

Colin K. Work
University of SOuthampton Computing Services
C.K.Work@Southampton.AC.UK
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:25:33 -0800
From:         Calvin Boyer <cjboyer@UCI.EDU>
Subject:      policies

The recent queries about cwis policies suggest that a most beneficial
resource for the extended community would be for each operating site
to make available its policy documentation among its offerings much as
Minnesota makes available gopher documentation and software.

calvin

      Calvin Boyer  Library  University of California, Irvine
                   PO Box 19557  Irvine, CA  92713
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From: z_delgadoap@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.cwis-l
Subject: Address search...  HELP!!!!!
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:52:14 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Hello net-people,

	 I have a problem that I hope someone may be able to help me with. 
There is a student at Rice University by the name of Jorge Kamine that I need
to get in touch with.  I had his address, but our server's HD crashed, and I
could not recover it.  Is there a CWIS at Rice, and will it help me to find his
address??

Thanks.

Andy Delgado
Mac Support - LINC Services
z_delgadoap@ccsvax.sfasu.edu

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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 16:24:00 EDT
From:         NOYES@HARTFORD.BITNET
Subject:      An Introductory Guide to Information Providers

Someone asked if it would be possible to receive a copy of this document.
If so, I would also be interested.

CarolNoyes
University of Hartford
noyes@hartford
From: JEFF@UTCVM.BITNET (Jeffrey R Kell)
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Subject: Re: Justification for CWIS
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:05:32 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
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              11 Nov 1992 07:43:35 -0700 from <TLOFTUS@PIMACC.PIMA.EDU>

On Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:43:35 -0700 Systems Imagineer said:
>In response to Colin Work's comment....
>>..............................................My own feeling is that CWIS
>>development has to go through an 'evangelistic' phase in which the service
>>is centralised and attempts to get as many people 'hooked' as possible -
>
>  Great comment!  We're currently in an 'evangelistic' phase and seeing
>  better results then when we tried 'conversion by the sword'.  We have
>  a disciple of 'info' who quietly works with and recruits our Provider's.

Another "tactic" is to use a "top-down" approach (for lack of a better term).
If you can "convert" the supervisors/deans/managers/directors/etc first, then
the rank and file will follow.  The converse is exactly the opposite, as the
management will increasingly oppose change as you work your way up.

<Jeff>
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:04:07 LCL
From:         Carl <Carl@HIKSSRV.LIB.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Subj- Policies & Procedure
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Carl E. Snow, Media Librarian
Purdue University Instructional Media Center
1532 Stewart Center
West Lafayette, IN 47907-1532
E-Mail:  Carl@HiksSrv.Lib.Purdue.Edu
Phone: (317) 494-6742 FAX: (317) 494-6744      M E M O R A N D U M
                                               11/13/92         8:04 AM
                                               Subj:  Policies & Procedures?
Greetings,

Purdue Libraries will be initiating a gopher server.  We would like to know
what other CWIS administrators have developed as policy and procedure guide
lines.  If any one has some material that they would be willing to share please
e-mail me at
carl@hikssrv.lib.purdue.edu
Thanks!
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From: barth@CIRM2.UNIV-MRS.FR ((Pierre BARTHELEMY))
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Subject: Re: Index for CWIS
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:33:11 GMT
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We are using WAIS fo indexing bibliographic databases, and soon
TEX files (abstracts), and perhaps e-address directories ...

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From: G.Yanos@UIC.EDU
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Subject: Re: Justification for CWIS
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:37:29 GMT
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On Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:05:32 EST you said:
>* Too many decisions are measured with a micrometer, marked with
>* chalk, and cut with an axe.

Woops. Jeff clearly never saw an expert use an ax.  I'm not one, but I have
watched.  It is a precision tool, it just depends heavily on the skill of the
person wielding it.

CWISs too, depend on people's skill rather than technology.  (Maybe rather
than skill, it is energy and tenacity since we haven't had time to develop
the skill yet.)
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 11:09:50 PPE
From:         "(Rick Gates)" <LB05GATE@UCSBUXA.BITNET>
Subject:      Impoverished.

>Is there a document I could ftp or fetch from a listserv that
>is a basic guide to all those and some others I've heard
>about here (WAIS, and others)?  Maybe even a guide of how to
>go about answering the questions in the Hunt (not the answers,
>but how to find them).

There's a question on the current Hunt about bibliographies of network
resources for novices.  This would be a good place to start, but I
have to keep mum until the end of the week.  Look for answers in the
Hunt results next week! (or if anyone wants to help Bruce out in the
meantime, be my guest.  I hate waiting too!)
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Univ. of California                     lb05gate@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
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From:         "C.K.Work" <C.K.Work@SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK>
Subject:      Anonymous/free access to info
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Dear all,

I wonder if you can help. At Southampton we have been running our CWIS for
just under a year - access is free to anyone on the network and completely
anonymous. We can tell how many people look at the service, but not who is
using it.

My personal belief is that this is the way things should be. Unfortunately,
my organisation MAY (and I must empahasise MAY) introduce a system whereby
those services which were in effect centrally funded by the University will
be supported by deductions from individual departments' funding based on
their use of the service.

As far as the CWIS goes, this has 3, in my opinion, undesirable features.

1 - it will no longer be possible to permit access from outside the
university

2 - users will not be able to access anonymously. Departments could be in
a position to ask who is looking at what.

3 - in effect, we would be charging for information - which, other matters
aside, is a bit awkward as a given department might be providing the info
in the first place!

I'm trying to prepare a case to support continued anonymous access (should
I need it). Any experiences, statistics, etc. on the effects of accounted
vs anonymous access would be appreciated. If the info is too sensitive for
the list, you can send it to me direct, and I'll protect the guilty in any
reports I prepare :).

Colin K. Work
University of Southampton
C.K.Work@Southampton.AC.UK
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From:         Systems Imagineer <TLOFTUS@PIMACC.PIMA.EDU>
Subject: Re: An Introductory Guide to Information Providers
Comments: To: CWIS-L@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu

>
>On the topic of public-access kiosks, I would be very interested
>to hear about experiences with various software tools for building
>multimedia kiosk applications.  In particular, has anyone used
>either ToolBook or IBM's AVC for kiosk applications?  Thanks.
>
>Katy Neff
>Sinclair Community College
>Dayton, Ohio
>kneff@lear.sinclair.edu
>voice 513/449-4591

Hi Katy,

  We're using Easel on an IBM pc.  It's primarily a client server
  setup with our mainframe.  A plus is that besides some nice graphics
  a Windows application such as ToolBook can be invoked from Easel
  and thus handle the mulitmedia.
--terry
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From: cfkfb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Karl Bridges)
Subject: Justification for CWIS
Summary: What does CWIS do that network can't?
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:12:24 GMT

  I'm currently developing a grant proposal for a CWIS system for
our university.  The question that comes up and for which I don't
have a very articulate answer is:  What does a CWIS do that a network
doesn't?  Basically, I think that a CWIS represents an easier way
of accessing information e.g. it's simply one of a number of ways that
an organization "packages" information to better serve its users.
Has anyone else run across this question and how did you answer it in
your particular situation?
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Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:18:56 GMT
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From:         "(Carl M. Kadie)" <kadie@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Privacy in use of a CWIS

RWWMAINT@MSU.bitnet (Richard W Wiggins) writes:

[...]
>It should be easy to make a case for privacy.  Libraries have long
>had strict standards on records of who checks out what materials.
[...]

The documents that detail these strict standards are available
via gopher, anonymous ftp, and email:

=================
README
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* Library Policy Statements

Library Policy Archive
  [part of the Computers and Academic Freedom (CAF) Archive
     [part of the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) Archive]]

This is an on-line collection of library policy statements. It
includes the American Library Association's Freedom To Read statement
and the ALA Library Bill of Rights. (The ALA material is made
available by permission of the American Library Association.)

If you have gopher, the archive is browsable with the command:
  gopher -p academic/library gopher.eff.org

The archive is also accessible via anonymous ftp and email. Ftp to
ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4). It is in directory "pub/academic/library".
For email access, send email to archive-server@eff.org. Include the
line:

send acad-freedom/library <filenames>

where <filenames> is a list of the files that you want. File README is
a detailed description of the items in the directory.

For more information, to make contributions, or to report typos
contact J.S. Greenfield (greeny@eff.org).

[...]
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confidentiality.1.ala
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* Confidentiality -- 1 (ALA)

The American Library Association's "Policy on Confidentiality of
Library Records"

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confidentiality.2.ala
=================
* Confidentiality -- 2 (ALA)

The American Library Association's "Statement Concerning
Confidentiality of Personally Identifiable Information about Library
Users"
[...]

--
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
From: GE0515@SIUCVMB.BITNET (Terry D. Mathias (618) 453-7419)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.cwis-l
Subject: Justification for CWIS - Information Providers
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:28:32 GMT
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A follow-up on Colin Work's thoughts and T. J. Loftus's response . . .
when we began the "University Calendar" here in 1987, we pondered this
question.  One of the most significant elements in finding an answer was
the overall state of readiness for use of on-line information systems.
Although our Computing Affairs staff and a few other offices were
accustomed to working on-line, this mode was still quite novel to most
others.  We figured (correctly, it turns out) that information providers
would provide some material, but they would not be devoted to keying the
information into the database.  So we took information in any format,
boiled it down to the basics, and only this office entered the items.

Over the next 1-2 years, we invited several offices which were providing
very timely material to do the entry themselves, thereby eliminating the
delay of sending it via campus mail.  A good example:  student work vacancies.
The Financial Aid Office (FAO) occasionally received complaints that the jobs
were taken by the time a student saw the availability notice on line and
came to the FAO.  The elapsed time from FAO receiving a notice, sending it
to us (2 mail pickups per day), and our posting it was usually 24-30 hours.
After minimal training about using the system, FAO now posts those entries
themselves, reducing elapsed time to as short as a few minutes and rarely
any longer than the same day.  Since then, several other offices, which
together provide the bulk of the information used, have opted to do their
own entry.

Two points:
1.  Your decision about who enters the information must take into
    account both readiness and willingness to handle the task.
2.  Eventually, others will come around, especially if timeliness
    is an important aspect of the information to be posted.
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Terry Mathias, Office of University Relations       Phone: 618/453-7419
Southern Illinois University at Carbondale       BITNET: GE0515@SIUCVMB
Carbondale, Illinois  62901            INTERNET: GE0515@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU
From: NOYES@HARTFORD.BITNET
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Subject: Index for CWIS
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:34:00 GMT
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I would also be interested in the replies to U. of Alabama concerning
available indexing services.

Carol Noyes
University of Hartford
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 10:34:00 PST
From:         "CARL COMBS (509) 359-6972" <CCOMBS@EWUVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Receive 'An Introductory Guide to Information Providers'
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Is it possible to receive the document which was mentioned in a mail message
sent to us entitled "An Introductory Guide to Information Providers"?

Thanks.


-----------------------------
Carl Combs
Eastern Washington University
(509) 359-6972
BITNET: CCOMBS@EWUVMS
Cheney, WA  99004
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From:         Tony Navarrete <TNavarrete@STANFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Subj- Policies & Procedure
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REPLY TO 11/13/92 05:07 FROM CWIS-L@WUVMD.BITNET "Campus-Wide Information
Systems": Subj- Policies & Procedure

Tony Navarrete
Stanford Data Center
Stanford University
105 Polya Hall
Stanford, CA 94305
email: Tnavarrete@Forsythe.Stanford.edu
Phone: (415) 723-1662     Fax: (415) 723-2011


Hello,

Stanford University's Libraries & Information Resources organization
is writing a vision paper (policies, procedures, guidelines, etc.)
for Stanford's CWIS.  (Undoubtedly, it will be based on Gopher.)

Just like Carl Snow from Purdue Libraries, we are interested in
knowing what other folks have written along these lines.  I'd love
to get copies of materials directly (GQ.JAN@STANFORD.BITNET) or
would be happy to fetch them myself if they are made FTPable.

Thanks in advance.

tony

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