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From: ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Destructive Egypt
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:27:07 GMT


In article <9207311540.AA02457@BlackHole.hisoft.com>, james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong) writes:
> Shakil writes:
> 
> -> Hmmmm, could we possibly have seen different matches?  Egypt played
> -> very well against the Netherlands, completely taking them by surprise.
> 
> I was quite surprised in this game, too.  I never thought a match could
> put me to sleep, but in spite of a large quantity of caffiene being
> pumped intravenously, this match succeeded...

So does that say something about the match or about you?

> -> I didn't think it was destructive at all.
> 
> You might not.  That makes it you, vs 5,000,000,000 other people.
> 
> Come to think of it, the coach, and maybe even the Egyptian players 
> might agree with you.  Maybe.  If so, its 13 vs 4,999,999,988

Well, I was merely stating my point of view, which was obviously in
marked contrast to that of Jesper and you.  But I'm certainly not in a
position to make a statement on what some 5 billion other people may
have thought.  Are you?

> ->                                            Come to think of it, didn't
> -> Egypt score FOUR goals against Columbia yesterday?   How could they
> -> have achieved that through "destructive" means?  I've seen goals
> -> prevented through destructive means before (Harald Schumacher, where
> -> are you?), but I've yet to see goals being scored destructively,
> -> especially FOUR of them.
> 
> This has got to be one of the most pathetic arguments I have ever seen
> in my entire life.
> 
> Shakil here is defending the awful soccer played by the Egyptian
> national team two years ago with the play of an under-23 team already
> eliminated in a minor soccer tournament!  With this, he hopes to 
> carry the argument that Egypt's World Cup performance two years ago
> was not destructive.


Looks like someone *totally* missed the point...  Jesper mentioned
that after seeing Egypt in '90, he did not wish to see them again and
would be happy if Egypt was eliminated in the Olympics '92.  Now where
was your argument monitoring then?  Are we talking about the same
team?  If so, then obviously the argument cannot be pathetic.  If not,
then the initial standpoint itself must have been pathetic, right?

Jesper's point was that Egypt in general was bound to play
destructively, regardless of time or tournament.  Hence my comments on
different Egyptian teams at different times.

Looks like colored glasses are a more common phenomenon than I
thought...


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From: kryst14@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Alex Ashcroft)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spurs Transfer News
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:53:41 GMT
Organization: Chem. Cryst. Lab., University of Oxford

In article <1992Jul27.091557.6212@tcom.stc.co.uk>, bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:
> Spurs midfield player Paul Stewart has signed for Liverpool for 2.2 million
> pounds. Stewart had been unsettled at Spurs for some time due to his wife
> and children living in Blackpool, and had wanted to move to a northern club
> for some time. 

This should make it easier for him to watch the Seasiders play when he's
suspended (I've seen him there before on these occasions).

> This is a bit of a blow for Spurs as Stewart was a good
> combative midfield player and was very popular with the fans. My guess is
> that Andy Gray will be the player to take on his mantle, let's hope he's
> up to it.
> 

I'll be interested to see who he will replace in the Liverpool midfield.  I
guess with Houghton gone, MacManaman will play on the right, with Rush and
Saunders up front, but Thomas, Molby and Stewart will be competing for the
two central positions.  While I rate Stewart as a ball winner and tackler, he
can't match Molby for distribution, and Thomas is in mainly for his forward
runs.  Maybe Stewart will revert to centre-forward when they Rush gets 
injured again next season!

                                      Alex

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From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 15:37:05 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: FIFA Goalkeeper restriction
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: 

In article <9207161243.AA05616@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU writes:
>FIFA Circular Text :
>
>	"On any occasion when a player deliberately kicks the ball to his own
>	goalkeeper, the goalkeeper is not permitted to touch it with his 
>	hands. If, however, the goalkeeper does touch the ball with his hands,
>	he shall be penalized by the award of an indirect free kick to be 
>	taken by the opposing team from the place where the infringement 
>	occurred, subject to the overiding conditions of Law XIII."
>

What would be the ruling if the GK played the ball with his feet, and
subsequently picked it up?

Consider the situation in which the GK plays the ball with his feet,
loses it in front of his goal, and faces an offensive player who is
about to score.  Still no hands?  

This rule will make refereeing more complicated.
From: rcampb@u.washington.edu (Russ Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: I believe!  I believe! (was Re: NBC triple cast, triple flop !!!!)
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:53:55 GMT
Organization: UW Information Systems

In article <Bs7n8u.761@mail.boi.hp.com>, dsamm@boi.hp.com (Dan Sammartino) writes:
> I read this morning that NBC is going to "give away" tonight and tomorrow
> nights coverage on one of the "Triplecost":-) channels.  Seems that only
> 250K viewers have signed up as Francis mentioned above.  I guess they think
> we'll get hooked and fork over some money for the final week.

Well, they won't get me.  I'm off to run lines at a weekend tournament. 
Not that I'd have fallen for such a cheap gimmick anyway.

> Also, I have spoken to Bess Maisel and she actually called me back after
> I left her my number.  She now knows the power of the r.s.s. contingent.
> The squeaky wheel gets the grease so keep calling.  She is a nice lady and
> I get the feeling she knows they made a major mistake.

I too have called.  Just got off the phone.  The receptionist, Evelyn must
be getting really tired of this but let's keep it up.  She seemed
surprized to hear from someone all the way out in Seattle.  I told her a
bit about the r.s.s. forum and the respons was (not exact words) "Oh, so
that's how all these soccer people are finding out where to call!"  She
said definitely that the majority of calls received to this point have
been to complain about the lack of soccer coverage.  I begin to believe we
are actually having an effect.  We may not get any more coverage than
already planned but we are having an effect that will be remembered.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cjd@pandora.cs.wayne.edu (Colin J. Dunn)
Subject: Re: Poland - US match
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:11:04 GMT

In article <Bs5oxL.Gpw@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca> rjromanc@sun1.vlsi.waterloo.edu (Richard Romanczyk) writes:
>Does anyone know the result of the Poland - U.S. olympic soccer match that
>was played today ?
>
>If so, please post it.  Thanks.
>

Poland 2 U.S.A. 2

NBC obviously did not find this result exciting since they failed to show any
action from it (B****RDS!)


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: d06448@tanus.oz.au (Argyrios Karavis)
Subject: Soccer Fanzines
Organization: Pro-Net Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 10:40:13 GMT

Hi there fellow nettera. I need the help of our UK bro's.

There are a group of us who are looking at putting together a fanzine based on
the two clubs in our city who play in Australia's National Soccer League. We
are particularly interested in canvassing the spectator's point of view and
defending and expressing their interests. 

I am aware that there are a number of fanzines put together in Old Blighty
based around [articular soccer clubs, which do exactly what we intend to do.
The problem is that I have no titles or contact addresses to contact the
people involved in putting these publications together.

Pleaee note I'm not talking about commercial soccer magazines(Eg Shoot and
mags of that ilk) or the mags put out and sanctioned by the clubs. I am
talking fanzines put together by supporters for the supporters.

We are interested in having a look at these little publications so that we can
get an idea of what they do and how and when. We want to see what and how they
cover their teams.

If you can help me out send me a personal email to;
        do6448@tanus.cec.edu.au

It just occired to me that these sort of fanzines might also come out
elsewhere so if it strikes a chord with you contact me.

Ross Karavis

INET: d06448@tanus.cec.edu.au
From: gabriel@sgi.com (Gabriel Villalobos)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Olympics telecast for Midwest - NBC/CBC/Univision ?
Keywords: olympics,telecast, Midwest
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:55:44 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Jul24.172349.26926@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> weymouth@bandts.enet.dec.com (Don Weymouth) writes:
>
>Anyone know the result yet? It should be just about over.
>
I just heard the following results;

Italy 2 - USA 1 --> Both teams played lousy.

Spain 3 - Colombia 0  --> I heard the referees stung! Applied new rule 
                          Red Carded the goalie without a Yellow card first.

There was two other results that I don't remember.

>
>
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Saludos/Greetings


-G



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From: CS19240760T@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (VURGUN, SINAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: denmark vs ghana
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:49:04 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

could somebody please post the result of the ghana vs denmark 
game today.
			thanx
From: mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu (Miguel . Figueroa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: denmark vs ghana
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:48:38 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


 With yesterday's draws (Mexico 1, Australia 1)  and Ghana 1, Denmark 1
 it appears that this group is going down to the last games.  Pool C
 is the other competitive group, although the teams are much weaker
 in my opinion.  Spain, Poland, Qatar have locks to the second round,
 barring some surprises.  The U.S. needs to beat a powerful and undefeated
 Polish team. Italy just needs to beat Kuwait to advance.  In Pool B,
 Qatar needs a draw or they can lose by a small margin in order to
 advance but that is very difficult because they are playing Spain.
 Pools C and D are toss ups.

 MEXICO!!  MEXICO!!  MEXICO!!



 Miguel Figueroa
 UT-SAN ANTONIO
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: Soccer Attendance at the Olympics
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:19:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.121809.18634@europa.asd.contel.com> andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:
>What I have feared for a while seems to be coming true. Less than 10% of the
>1.032 million soccer tickets put on sale have been sold as of July 8.  Soccer
>ranks dead last in percentage of tickets sold amond all sports at the
>Olympics.  The article gave some of the possible excuses but I think that it
>is deplorable.  It looks like only 60,000 people in Spain have bought tickets
>to the games.  The market surveys indicated that 400,000 to 600,000 people 
>would buy ckets from Spain.  Gee do you think the market survey people will
>get a good raise this year?
>
And according to "World Soccer", most of the tickets that have been
"sold" have gone to sponsors and other companies. I don't find this
surprising however. If you live in Spain, you can watch top-class
soccer throughout the year, so why are you going to shell out wads of
cash to watch games from an emasculated U23 tournament? The
qualification rules - designed by FIFA to help soccer development
throughout the world - hardly allow a true reflection of all the best teams
to be present anyway.

If I lived in Barcelona, I'm sure I'd watch few, if any, of the soccer
games even though I'm crazy about soccer:- I'd spend my hard earned
cash watching sports that I'd rarely get an opportunity to go and see.
Now, in '96, the situation is going to be rather different. If you
live in Atlanta, the Olympics will probably be your first and last
chance to see some reasonable soccer so I'd expect the soccer attendances
to be pretty impressive like they were in California in '84. 

--
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"And there'll be more football in a moment, but first we've got
 highlights of the Scottish League Cup Final" -- Gary Newbon
From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Sunnyvale/Cupertino pick up games question
Date: 29 Jul 1992 07:08:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: bay area
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Hi there!

	I usually play my week-end game in Berkeley, but I will be spending
a number of week-ends in Saratoga; does anybody happend to know of any pick-
up games in the area on either Saturday or Sunday?

Thanks!


-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: LA Friendship Cup on Univision
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:16:44 GMT
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <9207301528.AA28504@netmail.microsoft.com> t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci) writes:
>
>They also told me that they will NOT be showing ANY Olympic soccer.
>Those rights are owned by NBC (which is obviously not using them).
>I don't understand why NBC didn't sub license the soccer rights to
>Univision or Telemundo.  This would help them get back some of the
>$150 million they are losing on this "Olympic broadcast".  But more
>importantly the real soccer fan(-atic)s could see some international
>competition!
>
>God! Could you imagine if NBC used such intelegent logic.  It's a scary 
>thought, but boy wouldn't that be wonderful for the rest of us.
>
>I found out also that NBC's office has been flooded (overwhelmed) with 
>calls about soccer.
>
>KEEP IT UP! THERE GETTING THE MESSAGE !!!!!
>
>Francis.

Well, I asked NBC why they didn't sell the TV rights for soccer (at
least for the qualifying rounds) and the answer was that nobody asked
them for them. They claimed that it would have been too much work
solicting buyers as they would have had to do the same for so many
other sports! They couldn't give me a single example of another sport
for which rights were sold.

As to the PPV, they apparently did show the US v Italy game on Monday
and have showed brief highlights of the other US games. They have no
plans to show any other soccer before the medal games. 

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: otruba@mitre.org (Steve Otruba)
Subject: Re: APSL news????
Keywords: old news
Organization: What me organized
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:00:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.192608.29095@u.washington.edu> rcampb@u.washington.edu (Russ Campbell) writes:

>Doesn't anyone live somewhere near any of the 5 APSL teams anymore?  How
>about some news?  Standings?  What's going on with the league?  Any more
>expansion clubs planned for next year besides the LA Salsa?  What about
>the 5 remaining MSL clubs - have they accepted or rejected the invitation
>to join and play outdoor?

I tried to post this a few weeks ago but it didn't seem to get out.  It is
a few weeks old now but is the most current I have here in Boston...maybe
I'll have to get back to Albany..any RPI types out there??

Just thought this might interest some of you out there since I haven't
seen one posted in a while.  This doesn't include this weekends games
and since I'm in Boston I have no way of knowing since the Globe doesn't
report them.  Thanks to the Albany Times Union...the Albany team may
not be around this season but at least the paper covers the league...

                   W   L  Pts  GF  GA
San Francisco Bay  6   3   50  18  14
Tampa Bay          5   2   39  11   7
Colorado           4   3   34  11  10
Fort Lauderale     2   6   21   8  13
Miami              1   4    9   3   8
As for the points system, the winning team receives 6 point for a victory
in regulation time or overtime.  In games decided on shootout, winner
receives 4 point, loser receives 2.  Teams recieve 1 point for each goal
up to a maximum of 3 per game.

Enjoy...SteveO
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From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Olympics
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:01:18 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't enjoy a sure thing.  
Example, the US basketball game this weekend.

With such a sure fire victory, why bother broadcasting?  I mean, I 
enjoy a victory like anyone else, but that was actually depressing.  I 
felt sorry for the other team.

My idea of a good game is with a lot of action and many turn arounds.  
There were none to speak of.

This game was so one sided that it was worthless.  To me, this does not 
represent *good* coverage, instead it represents our enjoyment at the 
cost of *extreme* embarrassment to the opposing team.

IMHO, NBC would have done better to show more *competitive* events, 
rather than cover such a lopsided game.  Anything (especially soccer 
highlights) would have been better.

I feel this "Dream Team" is going to be more an embarrassment than 
anything else.  I can only hope that they meet with some serious 
competition, otherwise, I'll skip the basketball games altogether.

What do they hope to prove with this?  We know how great these players 
are, why demonstrate it this way?  I think it's a travesty.

Also, if any of you watched the game, what did you think of the foul 
called against Barkley ( I apologize for the spelling).  As a referee, 
I believe I would have called the same thing, after all how am I to 
know the true intent?  Besides, there must be a rule against such 
actions, isn't there?


Francis.
From: kjcarey@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Kevin J. Carey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: New UEFA bulls**t
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:40:42 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Jul21.135858.19752@aie.nl> louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen) writes:
>In article <9207210046.AA20544@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> S947607@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Pavel Nikiforovitch) writes:
>>Well, that's TOO MUCH !!! Look, what UEFA did now:
>>
>>1.) Albanians, Croatians and Georgians are out of all EuroCups because of
>>"unstable political situation" (the same excuse was used by Soviets in 1984,
>>Croatia was even worse that time, than it is now. And Albanian political situ-
>>ation has been "unstable" for several years... why should now be different ?

>their is a problem of too many teams taking part. I don't understand why
>Albania is not in the EC. I can understand that parts in Yugoslvia (what
>
>                                      louis kossen
>                                      amsterdam

I think UEFA's decision re. Albania may be a reflection of the
frustration that many national FAs have had in dealing with Albania. The
AFA has no hard currency, nor do any of the clubs. This means that they
can't pay accommodation and other expenses while on trips abroad. So
they typically barter, with someone else paying their way while abroad
in return for their paying for any teams that they host. Of course given the
quality of Albanian hotels, this works out much better for the Albanians
than for their opponents. I suspect that the UEFA decision makers may
have tired of this and came up with the spurious "security situation"
grounds for kicking them out. Rather harsh on the players and clubs
involved.
Kevin 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: weymouth@bandts.enet.dec.com (Don Weymouth)
Subject: Re: Olympics telecast for Midwest - NBC/CBC/Univision ?
Keywords: olympics,telecast, Midwest
Reply-To: weymouth@bandts.enet.dec.com (Don Weymouth)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:23:49 GMT


Anyone know the result yet? It should be just about over.



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