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Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Breast Feeding + 4 Teeth = Ouch!
From: kerry@seaspray.welly.gen.nz (Kerry Dalley)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 10:46:55 PDT
Organization: Who me??? Organised?....Never!!!  Wellington, New Zealand.

murray@media.mit.edu (Robert Murray) writes:

> Katherine now is the proud owner of 4 teeth - 2 upper and 2 lower. That's
> great for eating solid foods, but almost every day I hear an anguished
> cry from my wife indicating that Kate has again bit her in the breast.
> Ouch!
> 
> Kate is teething, and she maybe using the breast as a teether. She is not
> mad at Lucy, because every time she does it, she has a sweet angelic
> smile on her face. Lucy says "No! don't do that" sharply and puts Kate
> down on the floor, so as to tell her that she cannot feed at the breast
> if she is going to bite. Kate continues to smile and crawls away to play.
> 
> Does anyone have any good ideas on how to curb this behavior? 
> 
> Bob Murray, dad of Kate, and husband of Lucy
> MIT Media Lab
> murray@media.mit.edu



Ignoring it seems to be the best way.....it's obvious entertainment, from 
the angelic smiles....:-)
 
But I have found the most effective way is to retain some composure (almost 
impossible BTW)  and say, quietly and firmly..."No, that hurts "  while 
removing the child from the breast.  Screaming or shouting, whilst perfectly 
understandable, seems to cause 1 or 2 reactions....Either the baby smiles 
with glee, and plans to repeat it at the earliest opportunity.
 
The other outcome is commonly that the baby gets really frightened, and 
refuses to nurse...which is difficult for everyone involved....
 
It does pass....believe me :-)
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 09:33:06 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 10-year-old ostracized at school
Distribution: na

um, i was in a VERY similar situation, but i lack helpful
advice.  he will just have to find the inner resources to
deal with it.  this sounds cold, but once a pattern like
that sets in, often changing places doesn't even help, because
the kid seems to haev a "kick me" sign on him as far as the
other kids go.  being hideuosly unpopular is something, in
my experience, that only time can fix.  just give him lots
of love and understanding, cos it HURTS.

of course, if someoen out there has actually found somethign
that HELPS in this sort of situation,i would be glad to hear
it as well.  because this is one case where even afterthought
doesn't help...  for me, anyway...

i really don't want to sound cold.  i mean, i LIVED this.  but
in retrospect, and looking at kids, i really think that only
the kid can fix this.  you can't MAKE kids like other kids, and
lecturing them abot mean-ness often only makes it worse.

one thing that may help: involve him in any and all social
things you can - 4H, cub scouts, church groups if you are
so inclined, summer camp, any sort of special interest
group that suits him.  interacting with a lot of peopel
should help build his confidence, whihc shoudl help with
the school unpopularity thing.  or at least it will give
him a peer group outside of school.  when i was an
unpopular kid, sunday school and 4H were lifesavers!  i
had friends there, even if the kids at school threw rocks at me.

sorry i can't be more upbeat, and many e-hugs to your child.
if he wants an adult e-penpal, tell him to write me at
ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com and i promise to write back.  (stop
laughing out there!  B)  )  adult friends were a big help
when i was an unhappy pariah as well...

                                         -ailsa
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From: jm5p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Judi Mancuso)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Mailorder Kid Clothes
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:27:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QerhxuS00Uh_429qpI
Organization: Student Employment Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

H
As with everyone else in the world, I have received some fabulous
children clothing catalogs this past month.  This is the time of the
year that I am hot on the trail of Holiday Picture clothes. I have a 7
year old boy (who will probably wear dockers and a shirt if I can even
force that!) and a 15 month old daughter who I can still dress as I
please (and I am having a wonderful time doing it!)  Anyway, I haven't
had  any major successes in the department stores--although I have found
a few things I could purchase if I want my daughter to look pretty
"typical".  My son is no problem since he won't wear anything that he
considers dressy and I am just fine with the "casual" look I described a
few sentences ago--I just need to color coordinate him with whatever I
buy my daughter.  Anyway, to the heart of my question--has anyone
ordered through  any of these catalogs--can they give me   
advice--suggestions--tips--ANYTHING!  
The ones I am considering are: "The Wooden Soldier", "Playclothes" and
"Storybook Heirlooms".  Some of the prices seem a bit steep but they
seem to have such beautiful things.   Before I spend a ridiculous amount
of money (although she will wear the thing to EVERY dressy function we
go to until it  gets too small then it goes to my niece to wear until
she outgrows it then I sell it on consignment at a resale shop--so it
will get used and have some return on my investment--and help out my
sister in the meantime).  So before I whip out the old credit card, I
want some information from anyone out there.  If anyone has seen these
catalogs--they are simply wonderful!  Please e-mail me or post---Thanks
so much.  Judi Mancuso
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: HYPOCRISY of Public School Prayer
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:47:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.SHAFER.92Oct15204734
	<1992Oct14.184437.2950@relay.nswc.navy.mil>
	<1bi1v5INNrnc@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> <1985@hsdndev.UUCP>
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.

I don't mind prayer in the schools but _I_ want to be the one who
writes the prayer.

I wonder how all the fundamentalists will feel if we mandate prayer
and let the prayer be written by Moslems or Jews or animists or some
other non-Protestant group.  Or the wrong Protestant group.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
From: campbellw@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bill at Allen-Bradley in Cleveland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up" (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:31:45 GMT

In article <92282.175625IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> well, i've been doing my own groceries since i was 20, so that
> didn't do it.  i had friends be pregnant and give birth while
> still in high school, so having katy didn't do it.  i still can't
> drive, so a driver's license didn't do it.  and i've been paying
> rent for years, so that didn't do it.
> 
> what did?  buying school clothes.  i rememebr my MOM buying school
> clothes for ME, so if *I* am buying school clothes, *I* must be
> a grownup now!  wow!  it was quite the rush, too!
> 
>                                                    -ailsa
> ======================================================================
> 
> Amazing how long it takes the CAPS office to delete accounts!  B)
> 
> ALL MAIL TO ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com, please...

I can relate to this ailsa... I think that one that got me the most
was having my children's friends call me "MR. Campbell" Ouch!

						Bill

						(father of Kelly : 12
						 and Tim : 10)
From: vnoronha@dagwood.intel.com (Valerie Noronha)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Nursing Bra FAQ
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:56:20 GMT
Reply-To: vnoronha@dagwood.intel.com (Valerie Noronha)
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

Hi,

Could someone please email me the nursing bra FAQ which was posted
last week?  I remember seeing two articles on the subject.  I accidently 
deleted them and don't know the name of the person who compiled the FAQ.

Thanks!
  Valerie Noronha			due 3-10-93
  email: vnoronha@mipos3.intel.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: minx@access.digex.com (minx)
Subject: Re: Birth Story & moving with a newborn
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:57:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.204347.8215@colorado.edu> mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker) writes:
>It is not just fetal distress that is the worry in this case.  Babies 
>continually swallow amniotic fluid, so if there is meconium in it, they
>swallow that too.  The big problem comes when they take their first breath.
>If they have swallowed the stuff, there is usually some still in the mouth,
>and it can cause serious consequences if inhaled.  That is why the OB did
>the extra-deep suction.  The baby may show no other signs of distress, but
>the birth is no longer truly low risk.  If it is inhaled, the baby could die
>(hate to say it but true) or wind up in NICU for a while.

Most birth centers that I know of have the same type of deep suction
equipment as hospitals do.  I'm sure it also depends on when the fluids
break.  If it's just before birth and the baby passes the meconium on 
the way out, it's much less of a problem then when the water breaks
prior to the start of labor and it contains meconium.
>
>Now my disclaimer - I am neither a OB nor a midwife.  I got this info from an OB
>friend who was explaining to me how HE feels when a failed home birth comes in,
>which is usually a true emergency, and he gets treated as though he his sole
>intent in life is to perform unnecessary surgery on laboring women.  In fact,
>he has a very low c-section rate and is well respected by the midwives in
>town.  What started us talking about it was that he (unexpectedly) delivered
>the baby of some other friends of mine, who had planned a home birth but were
>sent to the hospital because of meconium (LOTS of meconium).  I won't repeat
>the whole story, but at the end he (OB) told me that in all the deliveries
>he had done, a meconium baby was the only one who had died.  He was still 
>mourning it a bit, years later.  I was originally just going to answer the
>question, but then I just wanted to say this.  It made me realize how quick we
>can be to judge someone, perhaps especially doctors, as though we know
>exactly the motivations behind their actions.  Yes, I believe that births in
>this country are done all wrong.  There is far too much intervention, too many
>hospital births that could and should be done safely at home.  But not all
>doctors (and probably not most) are motivated by greed or fear of lawsuits.
>Their first priority is life, and trying the best way they know to protect it.

I'm sure that some are.  Perhaps people like your friend will lead a
movement back towards less interventions if the woman doesn't want, and
doesn't need them.

Minx



Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:33:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.120343.12568@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.205839.976@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct6.194400.1479@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>>>
>>>	What is one of the principal items that kids react to, according
>>>	to Feingold?
>>>
>>>	Artificial Food colorings and dies!!
>>>
>>>	And what are these things made of??????
>>>
>>>	PETROLEUM!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>"Made *from*" not "made *of*"!  Back to Chem 101...
>>
>	Oh.  We've got a 5th food group!

Yes, we always have had. (Originally we had seven, and now we have 4.)
There is a fifth one (fats and sugars) on the charts and wheels.

Interestingly enough, food additives are not usually classified in this
group; only nutrient bearing substances. Synthetic foods aren't classed
either.

Best dietary guide - the diabetic exchange guide for a given calorie setting.
 

-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Juggleing Work/parenting & in-home daycare centers
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:35:20 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant) writes:
|> One MAJOR rule of thumb - if at all possible **, do not leave your
|> child somewhere you are not comfortable with.  Intrview many, and go
|> back if you desire.  Anyone that doesn't understand reluctance, worry,
|> emotions, etc. is NOT someone you want to leave your child with. 

I called a couple times a day the first few weeks.  Maggie totally
understood--and that was important to me.  Of course, she was a bit
nervous the time I called and Jordan was screaming his head off
because he'd just woken up and he wanted food _now_; I think she was
afraid I'd think she'd been neglecting him.  (we all know it takes her
lots longer to defrost a bottle of milk than it takes me to lift my
blouse)

|> Understanding caregivers also are good at not telling you every little
|> thing that your child has begun (i.e. Firsts) unless you ask - which I
|> have found a bad idea to ask about.  I am more comfortable seeing a
|> first and thinking it is a first.

Personally, I'd rather know when he starts doing it.  Maggie gives me
Jordan's "sheet" every day.  It says when he napped and when and how
much he ate, and when they had "quiet time" and when they played
pattycake and mentions when he starts a new cry.  She didn't mention
him rolling over until I mentioned it to her though!  I don't really
care if I see it "first", since I know he's my sweetheart.

Not to start another breast/bottle flamewar, I did think I'd add that
the fact that I'm nursing and pumping has helped me deal with the
daycare issue, since I _know_ I'm doing something for him that noone
else can.  Maybe it keeps me from feeling "replaced".

--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
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From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med,misc.education
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:46:18 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University

In article <1687949CD.O1ADAMS@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> O1ADAMS@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Debbie Adams) writes:
>I have a 14 year old child who has been diagnosed with ADD.  He was diagnosed
>when he was 12 years old by my doctor.  The funny thing is the teachers
>didn't believe he had ADD.  They said it could be possible.  They more or
>less said he was a problem child.  I decided that there was more than just
>being a problem child when they told me he was constantly interrupting class
>and swinging from the coat racks.  My doctor was very good with him and
>kept constant watch over his medication.  He informed the school to contact
>him immediately whenever he would get into trouble so that he could talk with
>him.  He tried Ritalin first but he does not like to use Ritalin and my
>son hated it because some kids at school found out he was on it and teased
>him about having to take a chill pill every day.  My doctor has him on
>Pamelor.  It is an anti-depressant and he said he gets extremely good
>result from it.  He said he uses it on most of his kids who has ADD.  My son
>seem to like it much better.  Has anyone ever heard of this medication and
>could anyone give me any background on this medication being used for ADD?
>I have no problem with it right now.  It seems to be working very well.
>Are there any kind of side effects that anyone knows about?

Pamelor (nortriptyline) is an antidepressant of the tricyclic type; it
is the principal metabolite of amitriptyline (Elavil) and is less
sedative and has somewhat fewer side effects than amitriptyline.  Its
mode of action in depression is presumed related to its presynaptic
blockade of norepinephrine and serotonin reuptake; this may also have
something to do with how it works in ADD.   Pamelor side effects can
include dry mouth, constipation, dizzyness on standing, weight gain,
carbohydrate craving, sweating, increased heart rate and/or
palpitations, blurred vision, sedation, and vivid dreaming.   In
children, tricyclic antidepressants are used in the treatment of
bedwetting as well as in depression (more widely recognized than in the
past) and eating disorders in addition to ADD.   

Most side effects of Pamelor are worst early in treatment; people seem
to adjust to the medication over a few weeks and the side effects
subside (although the dry mouth sometimes comes and goes and weight
grain can sometimes be a problem).

--
================================================================= 
mark kline                              mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu
suny health science center, syracuse    voice: (315) 422-1050
================ courtesy of syracuse university ================
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 09:13:44 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
 <1992Oct7.181049.27469@odin.corp.sgi.com>
 <1992Oct8.192911.29384@leland.Stanford.EDU>
 <1992Oct9.012837.20811@jetsun.weitek.COM>

some of us don't consider smoking pot wrong.

just a comment.
                                    -ailsa
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From: JUTTA.LAGE@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Jutta Lage")
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Games they play
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:34:06 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

RE: Games they play (Thanks)
Thank you (the ones that replied) to my posting. I took into consideration the
religous aspects as well as 'normal' teenage behaviour. Sometimes, of course, I
don't know how long we can hang in there. As to your memo, Paul Marxhausen, I t
alked to Jess (my daughter) this morning a bit about what she expected from all
this magic stuff...she told me she did not want to be as sweet as the other gir
ls around...she wants to be different in any way she can. She rolls her eyes wh
en I tell her she is special and different anyway... She also told me that -in
other words anyway- I am too scared she might hurt herself etc....and that I pr
obably should not be constantly on her back about it (I have been..really...I t
ell her just about everyday that I don't like to see her getting into these
things. Sometimes I tell her about old rituals of the native American Indians (
which I have read a lot about) or about other religions just to get a feel abou
t her beliefs but the religous aspect does not really seem to be the issue. To
have power over something...and to have a secret (I think you were right about
that, Diane Olson) was more the emphasis!??  Yes, I will be patient some more a
nd try to 'monitor' this behaviour... Maybe she gets a kick out of my reaction?
Thanks again....
PS: Diane, her favourite subjects are math and science by the way....
PS2: One of you told me about a teenage network. I cannot seem to find it
anywhere. Do you know the correct name of it?
Jutta

I
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From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Re: ADD and Resources
Date: 11 Oct 92 02:56:58 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <Bvu7Hs.Iyq@news.udel.edu>, goguenm@ravel.udel.edu (Matthew L Goguen) writes:
>   While individuals squabble over rasing of a child I'd like to here a bit
> about how Holly and others managed to get through college with ADD.  I'm
> 21 and still trying to slug my way through Elec. Eng., not doing well at
> the moment and it could cost me my admission.  I have noticed that Ritalin
> worked well initally but A few key warnings were missed and I took 
> Decongestants and Ritalin simultaniously.  I don't know if that has set
> my tolerance for Ritalin at an elevated level or what, but now Ritalin is
> not having the same effect as it use to when I first started taking it.
>   I know ADD is real all four males in my family have it from my DAD to
>   my youngest brother and I've seen what it can do in various circumstances.

It should be possible to get you back under control with an adjustment
in your dose or possibly by changing to another medication.  I 
suggest you find a neurologist or psychiatrist who has a special
interest in ADD in adults (probably at a university) and also tell
the school what is going on so they will cut you some slack while
you get things straightened out.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: What's an NST?
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:28:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Keywords: test done in pregnancy

In article <1992Oct13.201935.27028@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
>I've seen this a couple times and don't know what it is:  an NST.
>It's a test of some sort, done on pregnant women or fetuses late
>in pregnancy I gather (?).  What is it?

Non Stress Test.  They hook the mother up to an external monitor
and watch to see the baby's heart rate.  When I did them,
the nurses wanted to see how the baby's heart responded to
fetal movements, but my daughter wouldn't cooperate.  I had to 
drink lots of orange juice until the baby started kicking!                         

The test isn't annoying or invasive at all; you just lie
there on the table with a belt around your tummy, listening
to your baby's heart beat.  Kind of peaceful, actually.

>(I even think I am scheduled for an NST on 1/20/93, a day after my
>due date.)

Quite possible;  I did most of my NSTs after my daughter was
overdue.  They wanted to verify that she was still healthy
and happy inside the womb, and an NST is an easy way to make
sure of that.
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
From: jch@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (jeffrey.c.halle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: What happened to Barney?
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:00:27 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <1992Oct15.205218.23390@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, by elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen):
> But still, it is 100 times better than Nickelodeon's "KidSongs"
> which claims that the singing kids found an abandoned TV station
> and did all their own techical, camera, costume, makeup, directing,
> etc. to put the shows on the air.  RIGHT!!!

The KidSongs show was on one of the major networks two or three (or more)
years ago.  The show uses cuts from the KidSongs Video series.  There are
twelve or thirteen (maybe more now) 25 min. tapes that came out starting
around six years ago.  My kids have always liked them a lot.  They're not
bad.  And I do think the kids in the tapes do most of the singing themselves.

But Barney still wins hands down.  (Actually, Baby Bop is the 3yo's favorite.)
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