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From: techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,phl.misc,pa.general,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Forecasters of doom
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:54:51 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

forecasters of doom part 1 of 3 parts
   1oday's major media stories are filled with apocalyptic warnings of 
environmental devastation. Supposedly, if the human race foolishly continues 
on its present course, the planet will heat up, the sea levels will rise, the 
ozone layer will disintegrate, the tropical forests will vanish and the 
"endangered earth" will become a largely uninhabitable wasteland. The major 
media usually fail to point out, however, that environmental doomsayers have 
ben warning for a good many years now that impending castastrophe is just 
around the corner.
The past as prologue.
   In 1962, biologist Rachel Carson completed her best selling book THE 
SILENT SPRING, which not only provoked widespread fear over the use of 
pesticides but is credited with having helped launch the modern-day 
environmental movement. Not one to mince words, CArson manitained in THE 
Silent Spring that pollution caused by chemical pesticides initiates a "chain 
of evil" which "is for the most part irreversible." This pollution, she 
warned, constitutes "the most alarming of all man's assults upon the 
environment"
   As a consequence of the ensuing debate over DDT and other pesticides, a 
House subcommittee released a report in 1965 stating that THE SILENT SPRING 
"created an atmosphere of panic, foretold an impending disaster and barely 
mentioned the immensley useful role played by pesticides in the U.S. economy" 
THE SILENT SPRING, the staff of the agriculture subcommittee of t he 
Appropriations Committee wrote, was "unscientific in (a) drawing incorrect 
conclusions from unrelated facts, and (b) making implications that are based 
onpossibilities as yet unproved to be actual facts"
    The actual facts notwithstanding, the firestorm of controversey Carson'S 
book helped spark eventualy led to the banning of DDT in the U.S. and 
elsewhere with harmful consequences for man and the the environment. Today, 
three decades after the publications of THE SILENT SPRINNG, the problem that 
carson called "the most alarming of all man's assualts upon the environment" 
has apparently been upstaged by concerns over global warming, ozone depletion 
, and deforestation.
next.... wrong, wrong, wrong.

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techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
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From: quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: John Irving Predicts 'Year of the Revisionist'
Summary: Are neo-nazi movements on the rise ?
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:19:46 GMT
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dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

> Yeh, well, Irving has made some other predictions this year, among them
> that antisemitic riots will start erupting everywhere because "people are
> tired with the lies of the Jews", that a bigger Germany, which will include
> Austria and Slovenia, will rise to dominate Europe, and that within a few
> years Israel will be destroyed.

   Hmm. There are currently neo-nazi riots going on in Germany, most probably
arising from economic depressions in what was East Germany. However of course,
there are also demonstrations expressing disgust with the neo-nazi movement as
well.
   Are there any indications of increased activity in neo-nazi movements in
other countries ?
   I rate it as highly doubtful anyone would want to assert a right to any part
of the Balkans at present. And Irving's prediction on Israel sounds like
wishful thinking rather than facing the facts. Then again, holocaust
revisionists seem vulnerable to this particular flaw.
   BTW are ARF or any of the B-CPU people posting on the Net still ? Perhaps
under different names ?

Tony Q.
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From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Forecasters of Doom
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:18:40 GMT
Organization: Memes-R-Us
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bill@platypus.uofs.edu writes:

>I always found the most interesting to be a documentary on PBS a year or
>so ago where an Environmentalist with a long list of degrees behind his
>name had it both ways in little more than 2 paragraphs.  After extolling 
>the climatic damage we were doing inadvertantly by our life-style here on
>earth, this same man explained how we could never terra-form mars cause
>man didn't have the power to change the climate of an entire planet.
>
>And people wonder why I don;t take any of this Ecology garbage seriously!!

It's a lot easier to destroy a system than it is to create another one to
take its place.

-- richard

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Subject: Re: Forecasters of doom
From: bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:11:30 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <5DsLqB2w164w@cellar.org>, techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon) writes:
> forecasters of doom part 1 of 3 parts
> book helped spark eventualy led to the banning of DDT in the U.S. and 
> elsewhere with harmful consequences for man and the the environment. Today, 
> three decades after the publications of THE SILENT SPRINNG, the problem that 
> carson called "the most alarming of all man's assualts upon the environment" 
> has apparently been upstaged by concerns over global warming, ozone depletion 
> , and deforestation.

....blah blah blah.  So individuals such as Ehrlich were wrong.  SO not
everyone agreed with Silent Spring.  SO WHAT.

	Does this mean that there is nothing to worry about?
	Does this mean that all is well, and we can stick are heads back in the
sand now? 

	Of course not.

	Just because researchers overestimate a problem does not mean there is
no problem.

> next.... wrong, wrong, wrong.

 Blah blah blah

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From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Paranoia...
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:41:34 GMT

In <1992Sep14.175845.27153@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
(John DiNardo) writes:

[...]
>     Do you think you have a right to an answer to 
>     your arrogant question: "Why is this material being posted to s.c.j.?"
>     You aren't the inquisitor-general of soc.culture.jewish, and you
>     don't intimidate me at all with your veiled threat?  Why would
>     you want to get Bell Labs to find out if I exist if you don't intend
>     to threaten my right to free expression?

[...]
>     I voluntarily did four and a half years in the Marine Corps, in part
>     to defend everyone's Constitutional freedoms, and I won't let your
>     childish threat scare me into relinquishing my right. 

>     So when you get someone from Bell Labs to find out where I'm at --
>     DO something about it!  Have me punished for speaking out.
>     I've long since made contact with the American Civil Liberties Union
>     in anticipation of anyone's use of gestapo tactics against my
>     Constitutional rights.

At last I understand DiNardo's problem.  We're ALL out to get you, J.D...

--
David F. Skoll
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz and Friendly Fascists
Date: 12 Sep 1992 08:10:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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The article here by Chip Berlet makes much of Gritz's associations
with those such as Carto or Mullins who are arguably or actually
anti-semitic. However, the article is curiously silent on Gritz's
own views, except for noting that these are "conspiracy theories
popular with the far right" (not an exact quote). The one arguably
anti-semitic remark attributed to Gritz is the one about "eight 
Jewish families" controlling the Fed. Even if Gritz believes this, it
it doesn't make him anti-semitic - just wrong. (Actually, I don't
know for sure which banking families DO control the Fed. My 
impression, though, is that they are both Jewish and Gentile).

My main problem with the article is that it relies heavily on
the McCarthyite tactic of guilt by association. Gritz has
been a political ally of people like Carto and Mullins, therefore
there appears to be a presumption that he shares their views.

Now I don't know in any detail what Col. Gritz's political
views are. However, I presume they are well enough documented
that Chip could have described them for his article, with
whatever criticism he might think appropriate. After reading
Chips blatant misrepresentation of the views of Lyndon
LaRouche, which I AM familiar with in detail, I certainly
would not accept his unsupported impressions of Gritz.

I think we need to move beyond the idea that calling 
somebody "right wing" and showing that they have questionable
associates is substantive political criticism. If somebody
wants to oppose LaRouche, Gritz, or whoever, I think they
should have the decency to accurately represent their
views.

-Steve
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From: bruce@pages.com(Bruce Henderson)
Subject: Re: Kudos to My Many Fans
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:16:22 GMT

In article <1XX666XX@defect.kgb.su> lho@defect.kgb.su (Lee Harvey Oswald)  
writes:
[...looser collage boy drivel removed]

You know, if you are going to forge the from line, you should at least be cool  
enough to read comp.mail.maps.... 

defect.kgb.su
           ^^

You could have at least used cis....

What a dork!

Bruce
[Harbinger of the Doomed Rat]
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From: studier@ninja.life.uiuc.edu (Jim Studier)
Subject: Re: RFK Killing. What REALLY Happened.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:37:54 GMT

ccasm@cc.newcastle.edu.au writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.134950.10226@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:

>> Kennedy was accidently shot in the head by his own security guard.
>> 
>>                               
> In all Kennedy was hit by three bullets, two under his armpit and
>one entering his right mastoid from BEHIND his left ear at point-blank range.
>This brain shot was the cause of death, from no more than 3 inches away.

>Big Al.

I find this theory interesting but I have trouble believing that a shot from 
3 inches could be an accident. What was the security guard shooting at?
Did RFK fall into the line of fire as the guard was pulling the trigger?
Why didn't the investigators establish what had happened at the time?
Did they all have that much sympathy for the security guard?

       Jim Studier  (studier@ninja.life.uiuc.edu)
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From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: John Irving Predicts 'Year of the Revisionist'
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:29:13 GMT

sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
#John Irving is a British author of books on popular history who has long
 ^^^^
Its David Irving (no, he didn't write "The World According to Garp :-) ).

#been regarded as at least somewhat pro-Hitler in his sympathies. Now
#he has cast his lot completely with those who say that "the gas chambers
#never existed," and has gone on record with a bold prediction.

Yeh, well, Irving has made some other predictions this year, among them
that antisemitic riots will start erupting everywhere because "people are
tired with the lies of the Jews", that a bigger Germany, which will include
Austria and Slovenia, will rise to dominate Europe, and that within a few
years Israel will be destroyed.

I guess its not too hard to find a common denominator in Mr. Irving's
prophecies. Not surprisingly, he is a leading figure in the neo-Nazi
community in Europe; he was convicted and fined for spreading racial
hatered in Germany, and denounced by the British house of Commons as
a "long time Nazi propagandist and Hitler apologist".

-Danny Keren.
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Subject: Gemstone File
From: rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz (Rabbi Bajzheet)
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:01:17 GMT
Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

This is a repeat post of my request for a copy of `The Gemstone File', which
claims that Big Business/The Mafia/(and friends) are running the world.

I've got a copy of `The Opal File' (NZ section of Gemstone), which I'll post
here if anyone's interested... Or I can mail it. 

So, if anyone's got Gemstone, please mail me or post it here.

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P.S. Thanks to the person who said `try Nexus' - I'm trying to track down a
copy.
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: You are being watched
Date: 12 Sep 92 04:31:16 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona Computer Science Department

In article <BuFsLy.8sv.2@cs.cmu.edu> kck+@cs.cmu.edu (Karl Kluge) writes:

>> >The government monitors Internet.
>> Ah, so that is why posts get mysteriously deleted in alt.conspiracy.jfk
>> Hmmmmmmmmmm.
>
>system. Nothing you mentioned in your post constituted any sort of evidence 
>that anyone was tampering with alt.conspiracy.jfk. Talk to your system
>administrator or possibly a therapist.

I don't see a reason for _whoever_ to delete posts to hide information
from the netters.  If anything is going on, the magnitude of it is too
great and powerful that there is absolutely no need to tediously go
through the posts and pick out the ones that "might" be a threat to
_whoever_.


Brandon
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From: techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,phl.misc,pa.general
Subject: Forecasters of Doom
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:51:28 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

Forcasters of doom part 3 of 3 parts Hot & COLD
   Environmentalists have blown hot& cold on the greenhouse effect. In April 
1970, for example, University of California professor Kenneth E.F. Watt 
commented: "If present trends continue, the world will be about 4 degrees 
COLDER (emphasis mine) for the globsl mean temperature in 1990, but eleven 
degrees colder in the year 2000." The good professor explained that this 
problem of DROPPING (Emphasis mine) temperatures is being caused by "the 
constantly increasing mass of smog produced clouds all over the world." His 
remarks merited  inclusion in EARTH DAY _ THE BEGINNIG, compiled by the group 
that cooridinated the first EArth Day event and published later that year. 
    In their 1970 resource book POPULATION, RESOURCES, ENVIRONMENT,  Paul and 
ANNE Ehrlich considered the possibilities of both global warming and cooling. 
Regarding the latter possibility, they erote:"...should the south polar 
region get colder, the Antartic ice cap could be destabilized by an increase 
in its thickness. As weight of ice grew, the bottom layer would liquify(why, 
who says so?????), and much of the mass of the cap might slump into the 
Antartic Ocean. The magnitude of such a disaster ... is difficult to imagine. 
It might produce a global tidal wave that could wipe out a substaintial 
portion of mankind, and the sea level could rise 60-100 feet world wide." 
These days of course environmentalists are predicting that the sea level will 
rise as a result of global warming,not global cooling. (pretty neat eh? the 
environmentalists can have it both ways.... )
     The forecasters of doom have been wrong inthe past, and they are wrong 
now (summer of 1992 has been prety mild, I guess now the environmentalists 
will now try to figure out how they are going to switch their scary scernios 
without any one noticing, I suppose a fawning media is a great asset!). Never 
the less, their scary scenerios do not have to be true--- only belived -- to 
convince the world that their authoritarian agenda for "saving the planet" 
must be implemented.

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techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 10 Sep 1992 10:53:12 CDT
From: <U55909@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: You are being watched

No kidding!  Whoever doesn't know that is a naive idiot.  Oops!  I guess the Fe
deral Gov. is wasting their resources!  Never mind this :)
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From: al@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Haus Der Luge)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: A SPECIAL NOTE
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 22:35:09 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

 
CONSPIRACY ALERT - DATELINE (WINNIPEG/CANADA)
 
I have concluded, due to surmounting evidence and on the strength of my 
own private research, that "Extra Crispy, Extra Tasty" Kentucky Fried 
Chicken is, in fact, laced with trace elements of Hurion-B.
 
Hurion-B is a drug that the British and Canadian intelligence corps 
tested for a brief period between 1952-3.  The drug was designed to slow 
brain synapses, causing a sort of permanent light-headedness and 
inability to focus thought.  Originally, this drug was planned to be 
planted in "relief" foods sent to Southeastern Asiatic countries.  Our 
governments, knowing full well that the aid would directly go to the 
middle and upper class if it were eaten at all, planned to lace the food 
with this stuff.
 
The freedom of information clause has enabled access to reports about the 
chemical composition of this drug, which was supposedly dumped after a 
thaw in relations with the Asiatic communist periphery in late 1953.
 
Trace elements of this same drug appear in KFC's "E.C.E.T.".
 
One can only speculate if this is a government job, a government license, 
or perhaps that Pepsico (the owners of the KFC subsidiary) were granted 
access to the chemical compository records.
 
I will keep you posted.
 

;--- (Haus Der Luge) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64
;E-mail: al@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8
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From: cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner)
Subject: Re: RFK Killing. What REALLY Happened.
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 07:41:29 GMT

studier@ninja.life.uiuc.edu (Jim Studier) writes:

>ccasm@cc.newcastle.edu.au writes:

>>In article <1992Aug25.134950.10226@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:

>>> Kennedy was accidently shot in the head by his own security guard.
>>> 
>>>                               
>> In all Kennedy was hit by three bullets, two under his armpit and
>>one entering his right mastoid from BEHIND his left ear at point-blank range.
>>This brain shot was the cause of death, from no more than 3 inches away.

>>Big Al.

>I find this theory interesting but I have trouble believing that a shot from 
>3 inches could be an accident. What was the security guard shooting at?
>Did RFK fall into the line of fire as the guard was pulling the trigger?
>Why didn't the investigators establish what had happened at the time?
>Did they all have that much sympathy for the security guard?

Well, the conspiracy theory is that Cesar and Sirhan were both hired by the
mafia, who had extensive influence within the LA police.

Anyone know whatever became of Cesar?
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Subject: Gemstone file
From: rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz (Rabbi Bajzheet)
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:34:39 GMT
Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Does anyone have a copy of `The Gemstone File'? I gather it's about a global
conspiracy whereby the world is being run by the Mafia, or something.

I've got a copy of The Opal File, which is (apparently) the New Zealand
section of The Gemstone file... Very interesting. I'm not sure whether I
believe it, it's fairly plausible but most of the references cited are not
attributed, and there are bits of information (e.g. Swiss bank account numbers)
which are (I think) pretty much unverifiable.

However...

If anybody's got a copy of Gemstone, I'd appreciate it being posted or mailed
to me... :-)

(Does anyone want Opal?)

 
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From: rda834x@nella4.cc.monash.edu.au (J. Zufi)
Subject: Re: You are being watched
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 04:15:05 GMT

mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:

>The government monitors Internet.
>All your names and addresses are being recorded.
>Anyone who uses alt.conspiracy will be investigated by the FBI.
>You have been warned.

Are you serious? I better call the Kremlin and come in from the cold.....


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