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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:01:37 -0400
From:         Janice Ritter x5444 <ritter@FLOYD.HQ.ILEAF.COM>
Subject:      How's it that...
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              29 Jul 1992 23:58:09 MDT <9207300558.AA09776@relay1.UU.NET>

>No lane is "faster" than any other, but usually lane 4 is a good
>bet because that's where the fastest swimmer is.

I'd say generally, you're right on the button. BUT:

Maybe it's psychological, but when I was swimming competitively,
lanes 1 and 8 seemed to get lots of water "slap" from the
swimmer's wakes bouncing off the sides of pool, while 4 and 5
got the least. The slap _seemed_ to interfere a bit. My best
times were in lanes 4 and 5 - again, maybe it's just a
mental thing, but maybe, when you're talking a hundredth to a
thousandth of a second between first, second, third, and
even last, maybe it's not.

Janice Ritter
ritter@ileaf.com
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:53:21 EDT
From:         Lori Young <YL#1%LAFAYACS.bitnet@LAFIBM.LAFAYETTE.EDU>
Subject:      rsp: question

> I was just wondering if anybody else is receiving messages with many $$$'s
> throughout.  Is there something wrong with my system, the whole system, or
> in the way people are sending messages?  Anybody else having the same
> problem?
Not I...
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:00:00 EDT
From:         "Rick.Albrecht" <15718RRA@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Arrogant Americans and Dream Tea

Although I agree with many of Mr. Kamen's points regarding the U.S. Basketball
team, I do think his comparisons obscured the difference between the "Dream
Team" and the manner in which other teams have dominated particular Olympic
events in the past.  He begins by asking the rhetorical question:

           "Americans are arrogant in putting together a "dream team' Olympic
            basketball contender?"

I think Mr. Kamen's use of the word "contender" here is an understatement.
It implies that there are other teams with realistic chances of winning. A
situation that, from what I've seen thus far, doesn't exist. He then compares
the American's domination of basketball to the way other Olymipic sports have
been dominated in the past:

            "Then so were members of the east bloc countries in gymnastics,
             athletics, swimming, etc.  So too the members of the soccer
             teams from the European countries."

These comparisons obscure the subtle differences that even Mr. Kamen implies
by using the plural "countries."  In the examples he cites (gymnastics,
athletics, swimming and soccer) the outcome was never a forgone conclusion.
Several teams (albeit all "eastern bloc" or "European") had legitimate chances
to contend. It strikes me as somewhat ethnocentric to think that just because
"our country" is unable to compete there must be a lack of competition. This
situation is quite different from the one that exists in basketball this year.
It is not hyperbole to suggest that an "Olympic All-Star" team consisting of
the best players from all the other teams in the world could not come within
25-30 points of the Americans. This is domination at a completely different
level.

If the point is to "prove to the world" we have superior basketball players,
then we have certainly succeeded -- although I doubt that point was ever
seriously contended.
                         -- Rick Albrecht
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:30:02 GMT
From:         "Dr.Aidan P. Moran" <AMORAN@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Re: question

To all list members,

I;m really enjoying the debate about the behaviour of the "dream team"
but my messages are spoiled by lots of unusual characters in the text
which I've received. At first, I thought the $ and * signs were swear
words engendered by the heated emotions but now I realise that there is
something wrong with the text transmission from certain computer sites.

Keep up the **** debate!

Aidan Moran.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:09:00 EST
From:         NASSER@FORDMULC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Arrogant Americans and Dream Team

LEAVE CHARLES BARKLEY ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT IS THE WAY HE PLAYS.  HE IS A TOUGH PLAY.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT BASKETBALL IS A CONTACT SPORT.
FINE HIM NOTHING.  HE IS ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE NBA.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY HE PLAYS THEN DON'T WATCH THE GAMES.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:28:17 -0400
From:         "psp.dasilvaalvo" <psp.dasilvaalvo@SEQUENT.CC.HULL.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Hypnotic suggestibility
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              "R_GROVE@au.EDU.UWA.WT.FENNEL" at Jul 29, 92 1:39 pm

>
> I am searching for a pen-and-paper measure of hypnotic suggestibility for
> research purposes, and shorter is better (assuming adequate psychometric
> properties).  Can anyone provide info along these lines.  Thanks.
>
> Bob Grove             R_GROVE@fennel.wt.uwa.edu.au
> Dept Human Movement, U of Western Australia, Perth
>
Hi,
There are a few tests. If you can get hold of a book 'HYPNOSIS AND RELAXATION'
by W.E. Edmonston, you will find in chapter 3 reference to the Friedlander-
Sarbin Scale, the Stanford Hypnotic Susceptibility Scales, The Harvard Group
Scale of Hypnotic Susceptibility and the Barber Suggestibility Scale. The
problem for you is to choose which one will give you the sort of data you are
looking for.
I hope this helps.
Bye.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:02:28 +0800
From:         R_GROVE@FENNEL.WT.UWA.EDU.AU
Subject:      Not that I'm PARANOID, but...

Rather than increasing the point spread, I would suspect that there might be
pressure on the Dream Team NOT to run up the score.  Sport consumers get bored
pretty quickly with blow-out after blow-out no matter who's competing.  Why
bother to tune in if the outcome is known from the start?  If nobody watches,
then advertising dollars are not well-spent, and you end up with a lot of very
annoyed sponsors.  If the sponsors get annoyed, then future contracts may be
jeopardized.  On the other hand, if the games are close...
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:19:43 MST
From:         "Ted L. Glenn" <tlglenn@CS.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Arrogant Americans and Dream Team
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              "MARTHA%ARIZVMS.bitnet@ARIZVM1.ccit.arizona.edu" at Jul 28,
              92 9:26 am

Didn't the European representatives on the basketball committee vote in
favor of allowing pros in the Olympics while the American representative
vote against it?
--
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:13:00 EST
From:         MILLERG@BABSON.BITNET
Subject:      Dream Team

Yes, the whole dream team issue runs counter to the Olympic ideal, but
certainly not to the economic and behavioral momentum that drives the
games.  Ideally, the goal of pursuit of excellence propells the games.  Might th
   is issue give evidence that values other than excellence motivates
both participants as well as promoters?  If the behavior of those who pursue
excellence displays a credible example to others, then the subsequent
reward will provide sufficient status to warrant an attitudinal change
on the part of the dream-like-like defectors.  In essence, the dominant
value of the group will determine its most consistent behavior.
        Jerry Miller, Simmons College - Boston
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:31:00 EDT
From:         "Michael A. Malec x4131" <MALEC@BCVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      "Dream Team"

Two thoughts on the debate:

1.  In 1956 and 1960, the US Basketball teams dominated the Olympics almost
to the same degree as is the case in '92.  ('56 was Bill Russell and co.;
'60 was perhaps the "greatest" team until now.)  In those years, margins
of 25-40 points were common.  The scores were one-sided, in part, because
the US was far ahead of the rest of the world in deveoping b-ball players;
by the 1980s, the rest of the world had caught up to out university-level
game.  Is it not plausible to think that in 25 years, the rest of the world
will catch up to our professional level???

2.  I may be wrong, but I think that when FIBA voted on whether
professionals should be allowed to compete in the Olympics, the US was one
of a very small number of countries that voted NO.  Now, perhaps that "no"
vote was a product of false humility BUT many, many other countries voted
YES -- I assume with an understanding that, for the first few years, US pro
teams would dominate, but that, over time, some degree of parity might be
achieved.  As many b-ball players have commented this year, "the only way
we'll improve is to compete against the very best."

And a P.S.:  Yes, I find this year's games boring.  The first one in
Portland was interesting as a novelty.  And there are moments when the US
team puts on a "clinic" that is marvelous to behold.  BUT, as  contests,
these games are a bore.  I'm waiting for the Games of 2008 or 2020 (if I
live that long!).
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:34:57 CDT
From:         "Mustafa AlAbsi 270-0510 Student Psychiatry"
              <u717@REX.UOKHSC.EDU>
Subject:      Again to Cahalan
X-To:         SPORTPSY%TEMPLEVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU

I agree we should win.,  But win smart.  Being a "bully" does not help
you win.  In fact ifeven winning could be bad.  Winning is
 suppose to
give you satisfaction.   and bring you admiration, not disgust. Just
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:09:39 MST
From:         Gary Nease <TAPNEASE@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: rsp: question
              29 Jul 1992 08:53:21 EDT from
              <YL#1%LAFAYACS.bitnet@LAFIBM.LAFAYETTE.EDU>

I'm getting someone's original typographical errors followed by a series of
null characters represented by double-quote marks (which appear to represent
the typist's backspacing to position cursor at the typo), then the corrected
character.  But I'm not getting the Beetle-Bailey-style expletives.

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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:38:00 EDT
From:         "Michael A. Malec x4131" <MALEC@BCVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Graduate Programs in the Study of Sport

For some of my interested students, I am trying to develop a list of
graduate programs in Sport Sociology, Sport Psychology, Sports/Fitness
Management/Administration.

I have in my files a 4/88 listing from NASPE which lists programs in Sports
Management, but I would like to know if there's anything more recent in
print;  if so, to whom do I write for a copy?

From a 2/87 NASPE Sport Psych Newsletter, I have a list of grad programs in
Sport Psych;  again, is there a more recent list, and how do I get it?

Any other lists of gard programs would be appreciated.

Thank you.
                        Michael A. Malec
                        Dept. of Sociology
                        Boston College
                        Chestnut Hill MA 02167
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:24:55 MDT
From:         "Mark, Phone 2404" <sandilands@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: "Dream Team"

>From: "Michael A. Malec x4131" <MALEC@BCVMS.BITNET>

>1.  In 1956 and 1960, the US Basketball teams dominated the Olympics almost
>to the same degree as is the case in '92....
>Is it not plausible to think that in 25 years, the rest of the world
>will catch up to our professional level???

This reminds me of the situation w.r.t. hockey in the Winter Olympics where
Canada dominated for so many years and often won by lopsided scores.  Then the
rest of the world caught up and Canada has not won gold in hockey since, I
think, 1962 (was it the Trail Smoke Eaters?).

What would be interesting would be for basketball to be moved to the Winter
Olympics--it is, after all, a winter sport.  How many NBA players would be in
the competition then, on any team?

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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:17:50 EST
From:         Shirley Walker <IMSW400@INDYCMS.BITNET>
              28 Jul 1992 17:25:40 -0500 from <cahalan@MAYO.EDU>

I think it's a shame that our Olympic atheletes are made to feel less than
successfull when they don't win a Gold Medal.  It turns my stomach when I
hear reporters use words like dissapointing, crushed, and loser when an
athelete wins a Silver, and heaven forbid, a Bronze medal.
I understand that all the atheletes go to the Olympics with the goal of
winning, but not being #1 is by no means a disgrace or a sign of failure.
I would like to see just once, a reporter congratulate an athelete on
their performance without turning a knife in their backs first for not winning
the GOLD.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:32:00 EDT
From:         LITTLE_ONE <LYONSWI@HSDWL.UTC.COM>
Subject:      Re: rsp: question
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plenty of $$$$$$$$'s here

		william lyons
		ellington ct
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:08:13 CDT
From:         Elaine Owen <CEOWEN@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bad Dream?
              28 Jul 1992 13:42:59 +0800 from <R_GROVE@FENNEL.WT.UWA.EDU.AU>

I can't help seeing it as a problem that could be easily solved by putting
Charles Barkley on the bench.  Why commit flagrant fouls (and get technicals
called), especially when you're winning by 30+ points already?  (Which also
means the team doesn't need his point contribution to win.)

Elaine Owen, Cumberland School of Law, Samford University
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:19:10 -0400
From:         "gordon e. banks" <geb@DSL.PITT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Not that I'm PARANOID, but...
X-To:         SPORTPSY%TEMPLEVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU

Think of it as just another Harlem Globetrotters' show.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:42:45 CST
From:         Fred Detwiler <ST8330@SIUCVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Not that I'm suspicious (even though I am);7

Prior to the Olympics, I had wondered what will the consequences
of a "Dream Team" be?  A few years previously, I had personally seen
some post NCAA celebrating (e.g., people climbing on buildings and
some general chaos).  After the LA rioting, the Chicago Bulls repeat
a championship and some of the celebrating included rioting (i.e.,
looting and other property destruction).  So, I couldn't help thinking
that if we build a dream team and they fail or just barely win a close
game (maybe the championship), will there be extensive riot-like
celebrating?

Thus, I wonder if the "Powers that Be" have instructed the dream team
to win by as much as possible (always) so fans will more or less
habituate to the success--and have no reason to have violent celebrations.


Just some divergent thinking in progress,

Fred 8-/
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:25:35 EDT
From:         "Stephen J. Langendorfer" <SLANGEND@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: How's it that...

In general, it is an accepted "fact" in competitive swimming that the middle la
nes are "faster" than side lanes due to a variety of water resistances factors
such as waves, drag from the side walls etc.  In more modern pools, and especia
lly this Olympic venue with a whole empty lane on each side, the "slowness" is
minimal, probably more psychological than physical.  There obviously is an adva
ntage to a swimmer in the middle being able to better see where all the other c
ompetitors are on either side, but that doesn't effect the physical speed withi
n which you can swim in a lane.  Hope this helps.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:26:28 CDT
From:         "Mustafa AlAbsi 270-0510 Student Psychiatry"
              <u717@REX.UOKHSC.EDU>
Subject: Re: rsp: question
X-To:         SPORTPSY%TEMPLEVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU

I did nor t receive any of those$$$ either.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:29:13 -0400
From:         "gordon e. banks" <geb@DSL.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Arrogant Americans and Dream Team
X-To:         SPORTPSY%TEMPLEVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU

They knew about Barkley's reputation before they invited him.
He was famous for being nasty, in fact.  I guess they thought
he was just too good a basketball player to leave off.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:11:30 CDT
From:         "Mustafa AlAbsi 270-0510 Student Psychiatry"
              <u717@REX.UOKHSC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bad Dream?
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Bob,
I completely agree wuth i your comments.  I would call it the Nightmare
 Team in
instead of the Dream Team.  al'
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:42:59 +0800
From:         R_GROVE@FENNEL.WT.UWA.EDU.AU
Subject:      Bad Dream?

Colleagues,

I am finding it increasingly hard to stomach the attitude and behavior of the
Dream Team.  The way I see it, they are doing their very best to reinforce
an already-negative international stereotype of Americans:  wealthy, arrogant,
self-centered, and willing to do ANYTHING to succeed.  Does anyone else see it
this way?  Maybe I'M the one who is dreaming, and none of this is acutally
happening...  Seriously, though, I am curious how other members of the sport
psychology community view this situation. (We are overdue for a little to-and-
fro on this list.)

Bob Grove             R_GROVE@fennel.wt.uwa.edu.au
Dept Human Movement, U of Western Australia, Perth
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:51:48 EDT
From:         Mark Colvin <MCCOLV01@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Arrogant Americans and Dream Team

Bravo Mr. Kamen ! I couldn't have said it any better myself. Go USA !!!
                                                        Mark Colvin
                                                        University of Kentucky
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:36:00 EDT
From:         KAMEN@BUENGA.BITNET
Subject:      Arrogant Americans and Dream Team

Americans are arrogant in putting together a "dream team" Olympic
basketball contender?  Then so were members of the east bloc countries
in gymnastics, athletics, swimming, etc.  So too the members of the
soccer teams from the european countries.  The Olympic games have long
since ceased from posing as an amateur sport (were they ever?).  They
have continued to be a forum for politics and nationalism.  The only
fair way to continue the games is to allow the best athletes to compete,
irrespective of their country of origin.  Many athletes devote hundreds
of hours to train for their sport.  The only thing that makes the basketball
team different is that they can draw significant salaries in continuing
to train for their chosen sport.

So don't fault the athletes or the federation officials.  If American
television viewers (and indeed those from other countries) weren't as
interested in the sport, it would not draw the big American dollars.  If
you're angry about the "dream" team, next time you see athletes on television
in any sport, who are being paid for their skills, turn the television
off, don't buy sports news media, and don't attend athletic events at
which athletes are being paid.

Gary Kamen
Boston University
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:26:00 MST
From:         MARTHA@ARIZVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Media needs sport psychologist

I agree that the reporters seem to make not winning a gold medal seem like
a major disappointment.  It is really nice to see that the athletes
themselves, however, seem to understand that what is important is that they
have given it their best shot, and they are no worse a person for not
getting the gold (e.g. Swimmer, Biondi and diver, Kent ?).  Could it be that
the athletes have been coached and taught the basics of sport psychology and
the media has not been exposed to sport psych. at all?
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