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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:36:45 +0000
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 1/28

God:

"Anyone who comes to God must believe that he is real and that he rewards
those who truly want to find him" (Hebrews 11:6).

"Look, the Lord God is coming with power ... he will bring reward for his
people.  He will have their payment with him" (Isaiah 40:10).

"You reward a person for what he does" (Psalm 62:12).

Lord Jesus Christ:

"Listen!  I am coming soon!  I will bring rewards with me.  I will repay each
one for what he has done.  I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the
Last, the Beginning and the End" (Revelation 22:12).

"ALL MEN SHOULD HONOR THE SON EVEN AS THEY HONOR THE FATHER" (John 5:23; KJV).


Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used
by permission.
From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Date: 24 Jan 93 14:27:20 GMT
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I thought some of you might find these comments on prayer interesting too:

>I was utterly exhausted.  The lack of sleep and the tension were seriously
affecting me.  I sought God then.  My conversations with Him brought me a
spiritual strength that gave me new energy.  I never asked Him to get me out
of there; I didn't think that God should be used for that kind of request.  I
only asked that He allow me to resist, that He give me the faith and spiritual
strength to bear up under these conditions without sickening with hatred.  I
only prayed for Him to accompany me.  And His presence, which I felt, made
my faith an indestructible shield.<  A. Valladares (in prison in Cuba)

>Since there is nothing He does not see and hear, let us approach Him with
awe....we must approach Him in holiness of spirit, lifting up pure and un-
defiled hands to Him in love for the gracious and compassionate Father who
has chosen us to be His own.<  Clement of Alexandria

>Abandonment espouses the event of love's divine embrace.< Adrian van Kaam.

                                           Peace in Christ, zane.
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From:         John Violette <violette@APXTG03.APEX.DG.COM>
Subject:      Buddhism

Christia,

Are there any former Buddhist on the list?  I am interested to know what the
basic beliefs of the Buddhist are and where they stand on Jesus Christ.  I know
there are many different forms of Buddhism but I believe their roots are the
same.  Please respond to me directly because I am NOMAIL most of the time now.
Thanks in advance.

John <><


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From: coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU (jim coen)
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Subject: Re: Shevardnadze
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:02:44 GMT
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>
>Some of you may be interested in this:
>
>Eduard Shevardnadze, the former Soviet foreign minister and now
>president of the Republic of Georgia recently informed a visiting
>Danish pastor that he was now a Christian and had been baptized
>a couple of months ago.
>
>Yours in Christ,
>Claus Tondering, Denmark, ct@login.dkuug.dk
>

Praise God! May it be so for other leaders in this troubled world!

Jim Coen
coen@acc.wuacc.edu
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:24:17 -0500
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Speaking of the 700 Club...

Hi all:

Did anyone else see the 700 Club today?  It might have been a re-run.
Dr. Richard Eby was on it, talking about his "death" and his
"visit to Heaven."  I am very skeptical of all NDE's, angel stories
and the like.

However, he said that God told him that he would *still* be talking
to people (Eby, I mean) when Jesus comes again.  Dr. Eby is 80
years old.

I can't quite explain the very strange feeling I got when I heard that.
I have had a distinct and indescribable sense of imminence for a few
years now, and I wonder if I am the only one for whom this statement
resonantes within and with power.

Does anyone else have this odd sense of (I don't know, let's call it)
"winding down" or something?

I DON'T want to hear from people who don't feel this way trying to
explain my feelings.  I just want to hear from any who share this
feeling, if indeed there are any.

I'm not looking for an argument, just information.

Thanks.

Love INC,
         --Kerry
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:27:42 MST
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Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
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>From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
>Subject: Re: Mormon/LDS
>Organization: The Ohio State University
>Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:21:24 GMT

In article <9301252012.AA16329@roadrunner.pictel.com> Dan Harling
<harling@ROADRUNNER.PICTEL.COM> writes:

>
>A group can use Christ's name in their title and still deny:
>
>    o   the Deity of Christ
>    o   his bodily resurrection
>    o   the doctrine of the Trinity
>
>or any other tenet that is essential to Christianity.  I am not sure
>which (if any) of these doctrines the Mormons reject, although the
>first seems to be a "favorite".

  -----------------------------------------

   * I believe that the LDS denies the first point. In fact, that's
     the point that defines an American cult, according to some major
     works on cults.

     Now an LDS member may try to deny the denial. In a sense, they are
     right. They say that EVERYONE can be a deity (and then populate
     your own planet ... really).

     In addition, Jesus and Satan are both brothers of God, in LDS doctrine.
     Whatever they say about the deity of Christ, I think they don't mean
     the same thing that "orthodox" Christians (of all stripes) say about
     Christ.

   * As to the second point -- I don't know that they deny this. I believe
     they expect everyone to have a resurrection. The beauty of LDS
     doctrine, if there is any, is that no one ever goes to hell (unless
     you leave the LDS church)

   * As to the third point, I believe this is correct. (e.g. they
     deny the trinity in the sense that orthodox christians think of it)
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:07:41 +0000
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 1/21

God:

"When Abram was 99 years old, the Lord appeared to him.  The Lord said, 'I am
God All-Powerful'" (Genesis 17:1).

The Lord Jesus Christ:

"I am the All-Powerful" (Revelation 1:8).

"All things were made through him" (John 1:3).

"All things continue because of him" (Colossians 1:17).

"All power in heaven and on earth is given to me" (Matthew 28:18).

"ALL MEN SHOULD HONOR THE SON EVEN AS THEY HONOR THE FATHER" (John 5:23 KJV).


Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used
by permission.
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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Movies and Ratings

Way to play, Marissa!! :)
I'm a Christian; a MUSIC INDUSTRY MAJOR, and a very avid MUSIC
BUYER...You have to be when you're in this end of the music world.
The ratings put on albums help me determine which ones I want to hear.
If something says "NR", or something like "contains explicit lyrics"
I won't pick it up, unless I KNOW some history behind what song
it is, and what group did the album.  I've picked up albums by
"Chicago" before (my favorite band -secular...ask Carol Nemec...:)
which held "R" ratings, BUT...I've researched these guys FOR THE PAST
11 YEARS.  The main reason I buy their music, is...they're just about
the only SECULAR band around that knows how to PLAY MUSIC...not noise.
(MHO, guys....honest!)
I've also walked into record stores here in Hattiesgulch that have signs
posted, "In order to purchase material with explicit lyrics, proper ID must
be shown, or you must be accompanied by an adult."  NO LIE.
Proper ID usually consists of a Driver's license, or Student ID, and
maybe a Credit card you have for that store...if you have one.
It's a good system and works for me.
As long as I'm in the Music Industry, I'll advocate record ratings.
With God's guidance, I'm sure HE won't steer me wrong.
:)
Keep the faith, gang.
HE's on his way back soon.
Theresa

 * <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:08:12 -0600
From:         jim coen <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Christian Responsibility to Truth (was Robertson)

I feel a bit ignorant regarding the accusations that Pat Robertson has
been telecasting misleading and/or erroneous facts. I never saw the
program(s) in question.

However, here is a bit of food for thought. If his *facts* are supposed to be
in error, upon the basis of *what* do we judge them to be in error? Is it
because they are in disagreement with those published by the godless, liberal
media? That, alone, would certainly give me pause to wonder who, in fact,
was in error.

God Bless!

Jim Coen
coen@acc.wuacc.edu
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:46:06 -0500
From:         "Stephen A. Creps" <creps@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Joke

   There's going to be a new TV drama called "Crimefighter Priest,"
about a Catholic priest who goes from town to town solving crimes.
The trouble is, he can never get a conviction, because all his
suspects confess.

-       -       -       -       -       -       -       -       -       -
Steve Creps, Indiana University
creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:38:31 -0600
From:         Fred Fowler <frefow@FREFOW.AUTO-TROL.COM>
Subject:      Prayer Request

    The secretary of my department has a sister named Debbie Herman,
    who lives in Craig, Colorado with her family (that's west of Denver).
    Her daughter Becky has been having a lot of pain in her digestive
    tract over the past month, and the physicians in Craig have tentatively
    diagnosed it as Crohn's disease -- an inflammation of the small
    intestine, apparently taken care of with surgery, or the use of a
    particular steroid.  This is a rather serious problem, especially
    since Becky is only 13, and would have to take this steroid for
    the rest of her life if the problem cannot be taken care of with
    surgery.  (The Craig physicians have never heard of a case where
    the disease occurred in someone so young.)

    The doctors in Craig have sent Becky and her mother to Denver,
    since they don't have the expertise to take care of this in Craig,
    and can't be sure that Crohn's disease is what is causing the
    problem.  Please pray for Becky Herman and her family.  Penny (our
    secretary) hasn't heard back from them yet today (it's 1330 MST
    right now), so we still don't know what the problem really is.

                                                Fred Fowler
                                                frefow@frefow.auto-trol
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From:         "jones, mark" <JMJONES@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Countries Turning to God

Hey Maks:
PREACH!!!
Amen, Amen and Amen!
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:42:02 -0500
From:         Claude Garner <TQX@CORNELLC.BITNET>
Subject:      Teenage Sons

William,
   I can appreciate what you are experiencing with your son. My son
reacted in the same way to what I felt what was only mild criticism.
Reflecting back on those incidents, I think I can more clearly under-
stand what was happening at that point in his life. Clearly, hormonal
changes affected his moods, characterized by wild swings from depression
to anger to exhilaration to calm, you name it, in matters of minutes.
Couple that with genuine, probably repressed, fear about what his
future would be like and uncertainty about what he was going to do
with his life and you start to get into real stress. On top of that
add unreal expectations about what it means to be successful as defined
by today's materialistic world and you get a situation where it is a
wonder that any young person does not become discouraged.
   One thing we learned was to let him talk and listen and try to read
between the lines. I believe that a lot of teenagers are just
genuinely scared that they will not be able to live up to what they
perceive that their parents and the rest of the world expect of them.
   Patience is the key, along with consistent love and understanding. In
time you develop a sixth sense of when to back off and when criticism
will be accepted. My son is now twenty and we enjoy him as much now as
we ever did, though there were times when I felt that there was a wall
building between us that would permanently affect our relationship.
As his judgement has matured and he has gained a greater measure of
independence, we seem to have recovered the old sense of mutual
respect and closeness, only on a more mature man-to-man rather than
parent/child level.
    I spent a lot of time in agonized prayer for him and even though
he is away from home now in his third year of college, I still pray
for him every day. I will also pray for you that God will bless your
efforts to find a common ground with your son.
                                               In Christ,
                                               Claude Garner
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From:         Liz Moreau <EMOREAU@UMASSD.BITNET>
Subject:      Prayer Request

Please keep my neighbor Jim in your prayers.  He will be operated on
tomorrow (Monday) for prostrate surgery.  He was operated on last
Monday and they had quite the time getting his bleeding undercontrol.
Tomorrow's surgery is the direct result of last week's surgery.
Please pray that all goes well.

--------------------
Update on past reequests:

(1)  My dad made out great on his checkup.  His other artery shows no
further deterioration.

(2)  My father-in-law is doing pretty good.  He has fallen a few times
with no side effects and on some days he can't walk at all, but he is
so excited and happy to be home.  He reminds me of a little kid at
Christmas time.  My mother-in-law could use your prayers.  She wants
so desperately to keep him home, but he requires full care and his
falls are taking a toll on her emotionally.  Please pray for strength
and peace for her.

(3)  I made out wonderful on my cancer checkup.  I am waiting for the
results of some tests, but the exam went well.

Folks, thanks so much for your prayers.

                                        Liz
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:42:47 -0500
From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: Ten Commandments.

Excerpts from christia: 22-Jan-93 Re: Ten Commandments.
"DRCV06::GRAHAM"@DRCVAX. (2538)

> If law is not needed for our justification, our sanctification, nor our
> glorification, then, what on earth good is it?  Don't cling to a
> ministry that brings death, you want life in Jesus, not death in the law.

We need it because we need to know our Father's will.

No, it doesn't justify us.  No, it doesn't sanctify us.  No, it doesn't
glorify us.  But through the law, we know what is sin, and we know to
avoid it.  Otherwise we would be like those who say, "If we are free,
then we can do whatever we wish."

Are you saying, Dan, that we are free to break the Ten Commandments,
that they are no longer sins?

Eric
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:35:50 -0500
From:         John Violette <violette@APXTG03.APEX.DG.COM>
Subject:      ussr prayer request

I watched 'Street Stories' last night and they had a piece on the current
movement by US churches going to the Soviet Union to preach the Gospel.  Keeping
in mind the media bias toward sensationalism, I was still disturbed by what I
saw.  They 4 main groups on the program.  1)Krishnas  2)A group working in the
subway areas 3)A pastor from a church in South Carolina working the streets and
4)The broadcast of Dr. Robert Schula's (spelling?) program on Soviet TV.
    The Krishnas were reaching the young adults and providing free meals.  That
is good to provide the meals but the idealologies is not in their best interest.
The group in the subways showed a Christian woman telling an elderly Soviet
woman through an interpreter "Jesus loves you" "Jesus loves you."  The elderly
woman said if this is so why am I poor, why don't you give me a rubel!  I
remember James 2:15,16 "Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and
daily food.  If one of you says to him, 'Go, I wish you well; keep warm and
well fed,' but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it?" (NIV).
I know this specifically points out brothers and sisters in need, but I feel
the principle applies to the lost as well.  The pastor from South Carolina was
attempting to evangelize on the street corners and invite people to the
worship service he was having in the evenings.  When they showed his sevices,
he was bringing as elaborate a setup he could have to entertain the people who
did show up.  I didn't hear his sermon so I can't comment on it, all they
showed was singing and a woman dancing across the stage.  And finally they said
that Robert Schuler's (spelling again?) program was being broadcast to about a
million people in the Soviet Union.  Broadcasting the American style of
congregational worship, which makes Christian Americans look extremely wealthier
than they were.  These temporary outreaches are not the way to go, IMHO of
course.  There should be permanent missions sent with the goal of keeping the
'main thing, the main thing!'  They should also be focusing on letting the
soviets form their own form of worship, something they can relate to, not some
glamourous weekly get together, which from what the program showed, is what
these outreaches were giving them.
  I almost forgot this was a prayer request...  Please remember those who go
out to the Soviet Union to reach the lost there to keep the 'main thing, the
main thing!'  That Christ died for us, rose from the dead, and is sitting at
the right hand of God!  And that through Him we have eternal life, without
Him we have eternal condemnation and separation from God.

John <><
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From:         Marissa Ratcliff <MRATCLIF@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Movies & Ratings
              25 Jan 1993 10:11:04 -0500 from <kilroy@GBORO.ROWAN.EDU>

Now, now Darren  (and others),

   Before we start drawing too deep a political line and shooting each other as
 traitors, let's remember that we are all CHRISTIANS.  And that means, while we
 may have conflictings views on which means should be used to meet an end, usua
lly, we have the same goals.

   I happen to be pretty conservative on some issues.  However, I do like Tippe
r Gore and admire her for taking heat from her own party on the labeling issue.
My husband worked for a music store, and although the labeling tended to make t
hings more difficult for them, it made things easier for the parents.

   So let's agree to disagree and be NICE.  Or I'll send ya'll to a corner and
make you kneel on raw rice.


Marissa Ratcliff                   Document Delivery
University of GA                   Science Library
Athens, GA
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:40:16 -0500
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Numbers

Michelle:

Welcome back, Sister!

God's peace and blessing to you and your house, and especially to
your new baby.  May he see the end of the slaughter of his young
compatriots.

Love INC,
            --Kerry
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From:         Russ Neumeier <russn@SSEC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS
              at Jan 26, 93 1:56 pm

>
> What in the .... is the 'baptism of the dead' ?????????????????????
>
> Shalom,
> Memo.
>

From what I can gather, a (living)family member can stand in and be baptized
for their deceased relative.  This then secures their late relative's salvation
in the after-life.  This is also one of the reasons that the Mormons have
such extensive genealogical records....

Russ
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