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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Books in the time of love
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:33:58 GMT


Well, people are starting to respond.  I knew Barbara Hlavin would have
a good story (I might just vote for her for president).
 
But what's all this "Who has time to read when I'm falling in love" shit?
Hah!
 
True love often involves doing all sorts of things until the last
trolley to 69th street terminal, when you kiss, passionately, as the
conductor tries to close the door on true love.  This is usually followed by
a 52 minute wait for the next P&W before tumbling back to your dorm room at
Villanova.  Well -- your transit system might have gone elsewhere.  But
didn't you read something during those waits?  Or did you just sit in a
daze -- thinking that your body hadn't tingled like that since Don Larson
pitched that perfect game in the World Series.
 
Yet, I understand the reluctance of some of you to kiss and tell.  While I
gave some of the details about the woman who gave me THE GOOD SOLDIER, I,
of course, hid some of the details as well.
 
Similarly, there are other incidents involving love and books.  In fact,
my oft-mentioned Unforgivable Sin (see Joe Green's classic WELL MET IN
MINNESOTA articles) involved poetry.  While it would be inappropriate to
give the details of this event over the net (I'm still negotiating with
HARD COPY for a princely sum), I am willing to devulge that it involved
seven acts -- with Act 4 involving me, reading poetry to someone.  Act 5
ended with me saying "Are you sure you know what you are doing?" and
her responding "No."  Act 7 takes place, later that same day, in a
psychiatric hospital.  It wasn't pretty.
 
So -- stop your hedging.  Tell us how, tell us when, tell us why, and tell
us how literature helped!
 
Mark
 
 
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From: casley@Tarski.Stanford.EDU (Ross Casley)
Subject: A.S. Byatt's "Possession"
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:51:27 GMT

I read "Possession" recently and enjoyed it a great deal, but I
find myself worried by a trivial question.  In the edition I read
(Random House, New York, 1990) the 20th century hero keeps changing
names.  He is sometimes Roland Mitchell and other times Roland Michell.
I thought that this was nothing more than sloppy proofreading until I
noticed that one of Ash's pallbearers was "Sir Rowland Michaels."  Then
I began to suspect some elaborate joke.  Does anybody know the punchline?

-Ross
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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Baseball (was: Re: Attractiveness (was: Re: She's baaaaack)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 6 OCT 92 22:56:43 GMT

dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran), a fellow r.s.ber, writes:

>For excellent descriptions of how the psyche of New England and the
>fortunes of the Red Sox are intertwined, try any of Roger Angell's
>articles on the subject in THE SUMMER GAME or SEASON TICKET.  (Hah, bet
>you thought I couldn't turn it back to books!)

Yeah, and note in Angell's essay "Not So, Boston", in SEASON TICKET, how he
analyzes Game 6.  Mookie Wilson fouling off all those pitches... come on,
you Sawx fans, admit it, the Mets won the game!!  Give them credit and
let Buckner et al. off the hook.

A book that I've been tempted to recommend to the stat-heads on
rec.sport.baseball is FOUL BALL, by Alison Gordon, the first woman sports-
writer to be a regular beat reporter (in Toronto, for the Blue Jays).
It's the story of her trials and tribulations being accepted into the
man's world of baseball.  She was covering the Blue Jays when Bill James'
first Baseball Abstract book was published, and she says all the ballplayers
sat around reading it and yelling, "What a crock of shit!  This guy knows
NOTHING ABOUT BASEBALL!!!"  But I don't want to burst any stat-head balloons --
they're happy in their ignorance.

Alison Gordon has also written a few murder mysteries with baseball settings,
the sleuth being (take a guess) a woman baseball reporter.  The only one I've
read so far is THE DEAD PULL HITTER.  It was fun trying to pick out the
real-life models for her fictional characters.

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu

>   Doug Moran        | A worldwide shortage of #2 pencils has left many tech
>   dougm@hal.com      | writers unable to take notes or doodle during meetings,
From: amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Mervyn Peake's _Titus Alone_
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:50:12 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Oct5.195006.14381@genghis.borland.com> alexande@genghis.borland.com
(Mark Alexander) writes:
>
>I have heard that Peake was suffering from Alzheimer's during
>the writing of _Titus Alone_.  Perhaps that could account for
>the problems.

Yes, thank you for posting that.  I was quite moved to hear that from
Julia Wright by e-mail.  As I said to Julia, I feel sorry that I called
his book "absolute garbage".  I know people who have suffered from
similar memory dysfunctions.  Julia also tells me that the book was
compiled by other people from fragments that Peake had written.


-- 
Marko Amnell
amnell@klaava.helsinki.fi
Graduate Student in Philosophy
From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: "Colossus" trilogy
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:40:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA
Followups-To: rec.arts.sf.written

In article <1992Sep29.203846.23835@ncar.ucar.edu>
gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:

     Just a question. Did Dennis Feltham Jones ever write the 3rd book
     in the "Colossus" trilogy, the title being "Colossus and the
     Crab"?

     The first book, "Colossus", enjoyed some degree of success and
     was even made into a movie. Alas, it was about 15 years ahead of
     its time. Indeed, there are parallels between Colossus and SKYNet
     of the "Terminator" movies. The second book wasn't near as
     successful, so far as I can determine. Alas, I do not know if the
     3rd book was ever written.

     Any clues?

He did indeed.  I have all three.

A synopsis:  in the second, outside beings (later determined to be
Martians) assisted Forbin in deactivating Colossus by feeding it a
self_referential program (shades of Star Trek!).  At the end, the
Martians are shown to be not necessarily friendly to humans.  In the
third book, Colossus is re-activated, and an accomodation is reached.

The first book was definitely better than the second and third.

Note the followups line.  Probably a better group for any discussion.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
From: lon@edsi.plexus.COM (Lon Ponschock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Hepcat Shakespeare
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:27:40 GMT
Distribution: world, rec, usa
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI


  [Cascade  included for continuity..]

jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:

>klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) writes:

>   [In regard to Lord Buckley's version of Shakespeare]

>>Oh my goodness.  Where can I find this masterpiece?

>   I read quite recently that Lord Buckley's works are being reissued by
>some record company, but I forget which one.  Try the comedy, novelty,
>or spoken word section of a large record store.

>   Someone is going to ask who Lord Buckley is.  The question doesn't
>really have an answer.  I suppose it would be technically correct to say
>that he was a "stand up comic", just as it would be technically correct to
>say that Tolstoy was a "creative writer".  The best answer is to listen
>to him, if you can find any of his records.  A good start and one of the
>best would be his version of Jonah and the Whale ("Heh heh heh you know
>the Lord sure does have a crazy sense of humor that must be why I dig
>the cat so much heh heh heh ...")  

==>  And let us not forget _The Bad Rapping of the Marquis De 
Sade, King of the Bad Cats_

                         or

	  _The Hip Einie_ and the Unveiling of the Big Heater either. 
:-)

    There is also a collection of music called _Shakespeare and 
All That Jazz_ composed by John Dankworth and sung by Cleo Laine.
I can only hope that it has been reissued at some point in time 
from the original release date (1964.)  

    E-mail if you wish to know more.

lon
-- 
   Question Recently
   Posed to the Net:'Kukla, Fran & Ollie' which one is which?
   Answer: Tom Servo is Kukla, Crooow is Ollie and Joel is Fran.
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From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Talk Of The Town
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:15:20 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)

In article <1992Oct2.141454.10543@athena.cs.uga.edu>, fuller@athena (James P. H. Fuller) writes:
>     I know that magazines and newspapers pretend there is an unbridge-
>able gulf between Upstairs and Downstairs (the editorial and the adver-
>tising sides of the publication) but it's a self-delusion.

But Shawn _did_ exercise editorial control over the advertizements.  The
ones I know of are that he refused scratch'n'sniff perfume ads, and ditto
for pooper-scoopers.  There's a story about the latter.  One such ad did
get through, Shawn noticed, and called in the fellow in control of the ads.
Shawn asked him just what this ad was for, and the fellow explained, and
Shawn kept pressing for details.  Shawn was legendary for his prudishness,
so the fellow kept circumlocuting.  Shawn kept pressing ("doodoo? what's
that?") until finally the fellow said the word that turned Shawn red as a
beet, and Shawn said, completely embarrassed, "we can't have that in our
magazine, can we?" and the fellow, even more embarrassed, agreed.

>							     If you're
>constantly surrounded by pretentious vulgarity you are yourself going to
>become pretentious and vulgar at some point, and that's that.

Huh???  I for one, always liked the ads, and thought they complemented the
magazine perfectly.  There was always a delicate pretentiousness throughout
the magazine, with the ads being just part of the same.  Vulgarity?  I don't
know what you're referring to.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
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From: twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin)
Subject: Re: She's baaaaack.....Camille Paglia
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 01:24:05 GMT

In article <25SEP92.21331152@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>>Yes, she's back.  Camille Paglia [...]

>I love and adore Camille.  I disagree with most of what she says,
>including her excoriations of "feminists" (she *is* one, and should
>admit it) 
>
>
*Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-HA-HA-HA!*
>
>
>but I admire her intelligence and bravery, 
>
>
Try "deluded self-aggrandizing megalomania."
>
>
>
>>If you liked _Sexual Personae_ or just love wrestling with an intellectual
>>vampire bitch, do read this book.
>
>"Intellectual vampire bitch" is a rather sexist characterization.
>I mean, Norman Mailer is a pompous, dick-waving fathead, but I haven't
>heard anyone come right out and say it in those words.  Let's try not
>to slip into sexism, conscious or unconscious.  
>
>
Fine.  Camille Paglia is a pompous, dick-waving fathead.  
>
*Norman Mailer* is an intellectual vampire bitch.  (But at least 
he can think his way out of a paper bag, and jesus can he write.) 

>
--Barbara 

>
>
>
From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: She's baaaaack.....Camille Paglia
Date: 30 Sep 92 06:37:27 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <26365@castle.ed.ac.uk>, jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
> In article <1992Sep28.160926.43425@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> 
> =>Linguists aren't known for their political acumen.  
> =>
> =>Consider Chomsky.
> 
> File under "non sequitur".

Yep.  Under "n" along with "Nietzsche, Paglia as 20th-century
American"...

Just a little discussion bait.  If you ever read Chomsky's political
books, then hear him speak (on politics), you'll be amazed.  I've
heard of "the paranoid Left" but I didn't realize it had such an
illustrious champion.
-- 
********************************** +.............................+
*- Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>* :All opinions expressed herein:
*There is no privileged position.* :are my own and are not to be :
*	-God, Derrida, others    * : attributed to my employer   :
********************************** +.............................+

Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:16971 rec.arts.poems:9392
From: ayoung@sumax.seattleu.edu (Angel of the Odd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.poems
Subject: Levertov and Norwich
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:24:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.5223
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA


     Last year, Denise Levertov came to Seattle University and read some
  of her poetry.  A few of them were either dedicated to Julian of Norwich
  or written in her "style."  Levertov loves Julian a great deal, and it
  showed in her poems.  However, I can not remeber the names of the poems
  or from what collection they were.  If anyone has any knowledge of this,
  please let me know.  (And this is to you, Fiona, do you know much of 
  Julian?  When Levetov had spoken of her, it was the first time I'd ever 
  heard about her.  Could you tell me about Julian at all?  You did mention
  her name at the end of "Virginia Woolf," by the Indigo Girls.)

  Thanks!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The Poet is like the prince of the clouds,    *  The Angel of the Odd
Who haunts the tempest and mocks the archer;  *  (Annette C. Young) 
Exiled on the earth in the midst of derision, *   
His giant wings keep him from walking.        * ayoung@sumax.seattleu.edu
  --Charles Baudelaire, "The Albatross"       *
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
Subject: Re: A Room of One's Own with a View to Kill
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:40:30 MDT
Organization: The Erland Cult

In article <ly_p0xp@lynx.unm.edu> rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires) writes:
>In article <JMC.92Sep28112354@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>>There are all female rock bands, and even a magazine _Bitch_,
>>probably no longer published, was devoted to them.  My daughter
>>Susan was co-editor.

>	Sure; Paglia's interviewer (I forget his name, he did the Olympics)
>	mentioned some, including the Patti Smith one r.a.b.bit mentioned.
>	Paglia pooh-poohed these, said that the cutting-edge groups
>	are all male -- Metallica and a few others I don't recall.

While I haven't read anything of Paglia besides a few interviews, what
I have read leaves me utterly unimpressed by her much vaunted Life in 
Rock and Roll.  Anyone who would claim, in 1991, that Metallica is in 
any way shape or form "cutting edge" clearly hasn't a clue what they're 
talking about.  

--
    "From your signature it is obvious that you are a homosexual"
soren f petersen           :        i AM NOT          :    --Doc
speterse@peruvian.utah.edu :  THE university OF utah  :
"How could I dance with another/When I saw him standing there"  --Tiffany
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From: euargb@eua.ericsson.se (Rolf Blom)
Subject: Re: WWII Novels?
Reply-To: euargb@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:27:43 GMT

In article 4953@apgea.army.mil, rsdean@apgea.army.mil (Robert S. Dean <rsdean>) writes:
> euargb@eua.ericsson.se writes:

-zap-

> >Five black hen's, Requiem for a Wren, Pied piper etc.


> Judging from the title, Five Black Hens must be the Swedish translation of
> _A Town Like Alice_, or _Legacy_.  An excellent book, covering events in
> the war, but written in the early 1950s.
> 

-zap-


Yep, it's _A Town Like Alice_ I didn't have it on hand when writing, though.
(wonder what's wrong with the original title?
 Makes it a bit hard to converse when local translations gets renamed...)

/Rolf

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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Will ""The Thrill"" Shakespeare Leads in MVP Balloting
Organization: Clark University
Date: 30 SEP 92 22:52:56 GMT

Stephanie, if he isn't the God of your English Department,
move.

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
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From: twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin)
Subject: Re: Request: worthwhile bios of JFK and RFK
Keywords: Kennedy biography JFK RFK
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:21:09 GMT

In article <12491@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <BuzK7H.CLr@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, wade@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (S.Wade) writes:
>>   Can someone recommend worthwhile biographies of
>>   John F. Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy? 
>> 
>>   I want to avoid the fawning bios that view them as
>>   flawless heroes.  I also want to avoid the books
>>   that are just scandal rags.  Are there any
>>   books about them that stand out above the rest?
>
>Any biography of JFK that isn't a "scandal rag" isn't a worthwhile
>biography of him.



That's a crude and stupid dismissal of any complex human being, 
much less one who has had such an impact on world history. 


--Barbara 


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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Laurence Sterne's _Tristram Shandy_
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:46:47 GMT


spb0457@venus.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
 
> You should see me . . . in the midst of a booze-up
 
I thought we had.
 
Mark
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: WWII Novels?
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:08:43 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Sep30.025238.25528@csusac.csus.edu>, yarnot@csusac.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot) writes:
> In article <2AC8D478.5726@news.service.uci.edu> eaeg181@orion.oac.uci.edu (John Robinson Dooley) writes:
# #Of course, Wouk also wrote "The Caine Mutiny", a WWII novel published 
# #in the early '50's too.
# #
# If ever there was an author my mother (a Navy brat born, bred, married, and
# buried) would have enjoyed eviscerating and inventing whole new tortures for,
# it was Wouk, for this book.  "There NEVER was a mutiny on an American ship!"
# and don't you forget it.  I haven't read it.  I did enjoy the WAR books...

                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Doubtless the reason that you don't know that Wouk put that fact in the
introduction to _The Caine Mutiny_.

# ---Jan Yarnot, net.grandma.-- | A lifetime of smirking behind your hand
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: literature students
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:13:33 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

In article <9209281845.AA26378@cfdev1.shearson.com> mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:
>
>Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian) writes:
>> Screw credit. Screw the post-secondary system. Why would you want to
>> suck a lot of good radical writers into becoming counters in the whole
>> stupid game? How many credits is James Baldwin worth toward a tenure-track
>> job? Or is he safely dead enough to be embalmed in somebody's syllabus?
> 
>Barclay can certainly read these authors even if they are not offered
>for credit.  But what some of us remember from her thoughts in the
>Literary Canon discussions is that she also wants to be able to TEACH
>these authors.  That is hard to do if they can't be read for credit.
 
I also want to get perspective on them beyond my own and am undisciplined
enough to prefer to get that in a classroom.  I need to develop my literature-
analytic skills more and can get the best feedback, I think, from literature
professors.



-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_
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From: jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jon Ciliberto)
Subject: Edward R. Hamilton Bookseller
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:26:56 GMT

Has anyone had any experience with Edward R. Hamilton Booksellers? I've
received two catalogs of his, and I think i'll place an order (he carries
remainders, it seems; all new, mostly hardcovers). Any comments good or bad
on this vendor would be much appreciated...

--
Don't be a slyboots           |					  Jon Ciliberto
Cunning, shrewd, a rogue      |			jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu
Don't be a shyboots,          |________________________________________________
Nobody likes a slyboots.   - "Things Not to Be", Steve Martin
From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Kafka's "Metamorphasis"
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:44:00 GMT
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <MATT.92Oct4232952@physics.berkeley.edu> matt@physics.berkeley.edu writes:
>In article <3OCT199215425081@portal.lasc.lockheed.com> le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel) writes:
>
>> In any case, what did you expect from a course on "psychology and
>> literature"?  when you toss out the basis of the course
>> (psychological analysis) in favor of the superficial part of the
>> work, it should come as no surprise that you would run into
>> problems!  Sounds like the professor did not give enough background
>> and preparation that would aid in discovering the imago hinted at in
>> the larva as it were.
>
>Actually, if you ask me, the interpretation that was suggested in this
>course was pretty superficial too.  Saying that _Metamorphasis_ is
>just an entertaining story about a man turning into a bug misses the
>point of the book, but then, saying that it is about a man who goes
>mad and thinks he turns into a bug also misses the point.  (If you say
>it's a story about alienation, I think you're getting closer.)
>
>Whether or not the transformation is "real" is, in my opinion, not the
>most important question in interpreting this story.
			.
			.
			.
I think this is a vote for "none of the above".
Among his other qualities, Kafka was a master at
"the superficial part of the work"; I find far,
far, FAR, more verisimilitude in his descriptions
of life as a metamorphosed insect (or dog, or
hunger artist), than in the silly docu-drama-
influenced opera of nominally more "realistic"
authors.  That's a major part of his art:  what
Kafka writes coheres, and resonates, and fits.

I'm an old man.  Fiction has to start by working
as narrative, or it doesn't interest me.  Kafka
tears into our souls not because he stews some
implausible conceits that an alert adolescent
could program, but because he soberly illuminates
the spirituality (often a dark one) present all
around us, in mundane and fantastic objects and
events.
-- 

Cameron Laird
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claird@litwin.com (claird%litwin.com@uunet.uu.net)  	+1 713 996 8546
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