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From: todmh@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Darcie Hammer)
Subject: Re: Help for a poor, ignorant team manager
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Date:  6 Oct 1992 13:03 EDT  

In article <wilder.718047893@mik.uky.edu>, wilder@mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder) writes...
>In <2OCT199212490772@mars.lerc.nasa.gov> todmh@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Darcie Hammer) writes:
> 
>|I coach 7th grade girls, and we run a 4-2 and ALWAYSALWAYS try to pass-
>|set-hit. Their passing skills are far from Karch-like, and they've lost
>|to some teams that just keep passing the ball back over on 1, but when
>|these girls get to high school (or beyond) they're gonna be ready to kick
>|some serious butt.  
> 
>|I don't think you can overemphasize the importance of serving and receiving
>|serve though.
> 
>I absolutely agree.  (Like I know a damn thing--I'm only just learning
>a 6-2.)  Service is *always* important, and at lower levels, I wouldn't
>be surprised that the better serving team wins 95% of all matches.
> 
>I think you should teach your girls the 5-1, though.  From the beginning,
>it's just as easy to learn as a 4-2, and a much more effective offense.  It
>will also give your players more of an idea of who really has the footspeed
>and coodination to be a setter.
> 
>(Yeah, yeah, I know, they're only in 7th grade. :-)  The 11 year olds I
>sometimes teach, though, are finding the 5-1 *much* easier to learn than
>my college age friends, also relative beginners.  My college age friends
>(and me, to be honest) learned the 4-2 first, and are finding the trans-
>ition extremely difficult. 
> 
>--
>==============================================================================
>| Jeff W  uk06666@ukpr.uky.edu | Meddle not in the affairs of cats, for they |
>| Wilder  & wilder@mik.uky.edu | are subtle, and will piss on your cyberdeck.|
>==============================================================================

I really like the idea of teaching a 4-2 first, and then a 6-2 (or a 5-1).
Maybe it's just because that's the order in which I learned them, and it
made sense to me, but a 4-2 is so less complicated, and I really want them
to focus on passing, not switching, wondering where the setter is etc.

I also like the idea of developing two setters, since 7th grade (IMHO) is
for development, not weeding.  And still, occasionally in matches when the
girls are nervous/distracted, they forget where they're supposed to be even
in a 4-2.  Everytime we earn a side-out, the setter says, "back to your
positions", and only then she says,"rotate", so it makes it easier to keep
track of what position they're really in.

As far as running a 5-1 to see who "has the footspeed", I already know that.
One of our setters set a 6-2 on a Junior Olympic team last year. and she
sometimes practices with a local high school varsity team.  But I want
the other setter to "learn" that footspeed, not weed her out.

I'm honestly not flaming your comments, I always (ok, usually :-) want to
hear other people's philosophy.

Darcie
From: alee@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Setting a slide???
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:38:22 PST

hello netters,
              I've been reading the posts on slide sets and wondered what
the difference in distance from and above the net there was between a slide
set to your MB/MH and a slide set to your weak-side hitter faking hitting a
2 or 1???
Also what is a 31 or 3-1???
Thanks for the help

alex lee

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From: daryl@cup.hp.com (Daryl Odnert)
Subject: Bay Area Mailing List
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:53:20 GMT
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About one month ago, a note was posted to rec.sport.volleyball
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As of October 1, there are now about 130 people on the mailing list!

The purpose of this list is to publish announcements about volleyball

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From: MULLEN@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu (Evil Twin)
Subject: Re: Help for a poor, ignorant team manager
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:59:02 GMT

In <BvIB9y.9KD@cup.hp.com> daryl@cup.hp.com writes:

> 
> Let me clarify.  When I said "just get the ball back over the net", what
> I meant was don't worry about running a complicated offense and/or
> trying to hit a high velocity spike on every volley.  I took it for
> granted that every organized volleyball team tries to run a bump-set-hit
> offense, but I guess I was wrong about that.
> 

I guess that Daryl hasn't seen any Junior High ball.

Tony -
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From: dan@Ingres.COM (Heaven is not for the careless or cowardly)
Subject: Help for a poor, ignorant team manager
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
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Date: 29 Sep 92 16:09:39 GMT

My pregnant wife noticed the similarities between her belly and mine and
suggested that I join a community volleyball team for exercise.  I went
to the first stragglers meeting looking for a team and ended up manager.

Our team is called "T.B.A." (we didn't choose a name in time) and we're
two meets into the season.  The first meet, we lost all three games miserably.
The second meet, only five of us showed up, but we lost all three games with
a little more dignity.

We're having a great time, but we need some ideas for how to practice.
Do any of you have some good ideas how to get started developing some form
of technique--any books, videos, etc.?

Thanks in advance for any helpful suggestions you can give.  We love the
sport, but we're a bunch of klutsy fun-loving beginners.

         Dan

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From: mkrogers@unix.amherst.edu (MICHAEL K ROGERS)
Subject: Re: taping fingers
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:02:08 GMT

Tom Stockfisch (tps@chem.ucsd.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Sep18.145234.28413@bmers145.bnr.ca> sshum@bnr.ca writes:
: >What's the deal with taping your fingers?  Are they used for safety reasons?
: 
: There to show you whose blocking technique not to emulate.  Look for the
: person with tape on every finger, and see if you can tell what they are
: doing wrong blocking.  Basically, if you point you rotate your hand outward
: so that your thumbs point up then your thumb, index, and middle fingers
: can't get hurt (or at least mine have never gotten hurt since I started
: doing this).  This has the added advantage of allowing you to get your
: forearms closer together to prevent the field goal block, covers more
: area left and right, and gives you better mechanical advantage on the ball).
: ...

While I agree about the blocking technique, the conclusion based on
taped fingers is not universally valid.  None of the three fingers
(pinkies, thumb) I tape have been originally injured while blocking.
On rare occasions, someone has hit the ball down onto my upward-pointing
thumb.  None of my fingers have been re-injured while blocking, but
sometimes there has been pain.

I had never thought of the blocking technique described above as being
less injury prone.  I was taught it because it denies more court to
hitter and make tooling off your hands more difficult.  Now I have a
third reason.

	-mike
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From: tjg2946@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: taping fingers
Reply-To: tjg2946@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:07:07 GMT

	It apparently show that all of you guys are talking about taping up
your fingers and such to prevent injury.  Why not wear a brace which
protect your thumbs, which is more prone to injuries (in my visible opinion)
Hmm?

(NOTE TO THOSE LIVING IN ROCHESTER/BUFFALO AREA:  Wanna play volleyball
against a rebuilding club of RIT?  Give me an E-mail or give Jim, the prez
if you know him, a call!)
From: rmp@crashnburn.Eng.Sun.COM (Richard Pottorff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Help for a poor, ignorant team manager
Date: 29 Sep 1992 17:34:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: ba
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In article <1992Sep29.160939.27476@pony.Ingres.COM> dan@Ingres.COM (Heaven is not for the careless or cowardly) writes:
My pregnant wife noticed the similarities between her belly and mine and
suggested that I join a community volleyball team for exercise.  I went
to the first stragglers meeting looking for a team and ended up manager.

Our team is called "T.B.A." (we didn't choose a name in time) and we're
two meets into the season.  The first meet, we lost all three games miserably.
The second meet, only five of us showed up, but we lost all three games with
a little more dignity.

We're having a great time, but we need some ideas for how to practice.
Do any of you have some good ideas how to get started developing some form
of technique--any books, videos, etc.?

Thanks in advance for any helpful suggestions you can give.  We love the
sport, but we're a bunch of klutsy fun-loving beginners.

         Dan

/*************************************/

Dan,

Funny you should ask.  I have no affiliation with the Atheletic Sports 
Foundation except as a satisfied customer.  The ASF is holding two-day camps 
in the bay area in October. They are held in San Jose, Sacramento, and Concord. Schedule:

San Jose:     Beginning/Intermediate Oct 17/18; Intermediate/Advanced Oct 10/11.
Sacramento:        "         "       Oct  3/4 ;       "         "     Oct  7/8.
Concord:           "   /     "       Oct  10/11;      "         "     Oct  7/8.

Cost is $99 up to 1 week in advance; $115 space available at the door. 
You also get a T-shirt.  (Wow).

Now the best part.  Some of the instructors will be Gary Sato, Eric Sato,
and Craig Buck, for 8 hours each day, plus a party Sat. night.

Phone is (510) 975-0952

If you don't want that intensive of a workout, find a community college and
take their beginning classes. 

Another idea is from books at the library. _Pass,_Set,_Crush_ gives
illustrated pictures of good form.  I think it has a forward by Tom Selleck.

Rick


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From: wilder@mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Help for a poor, ignorant team manager
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:44:53 GMT
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In <2OCT199212490772@mars.lerc.nasa.gov> todmh@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Darcie Hammer) writes:

|I coach 7th grade girls, and we run a 4-2 and ALWAYSALWAYS try to pass-
|set-hit. Their passing skills are far from Karch-like, and they've lost
|to some teams that just keep passing the ball back over on 1, but when
|these girls get to high school (or beyond) they're gonna be ready to kick
|some serious butt.  

|I don't think you can overemphasize the importance of serving and receiving
|serve though.

I absolutely agree.  (Like I know a damn thing--I'm only just learning
a 6-2.)  Service is *always* important, and at lower levels, I wouldn't
be surprised that the better serving team wins 95% of all matches.

I think you should teach your girls the 5-1, though.  From the beginning,
it's just as easy to learn as a 4-2, and a much more effective offense.  It
will also give your players more of an idea of who really has the footspeed
and coodination to be a setter.

(Yeah, yeah, I know, they're only in 7th grade. :-)  The 11 year olds I
sometimes teach, though, are finding the 5-1 *much* easier to learn than
my college age friends, also relative beginners.  My college age friends
(and me, to be honest) learned the 4-2 first, and are finding the trans-
ition extremely difficult. 

--
==============================================================================
| Jeff W  uk06666@ukpr.uky.edu | Meddle not in the affairs of cats, for they |
| Wilder  & wilder@mik.uky.edu | are subtle, and will piss on your cyberdeck.|
==============================================================================
From: tps@chem.ucsd.edu (Tom Stockfisch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Slides
Date: 29 Sep 1992 07:41:50 GMT
Organization: University of California San Diego, Chemistry
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In article <1992Sep26.170502.20560@ee.gatech.edu> wung@ee.gatech.edu writes:
>...recommended that our men's club team try hitting some slides,...
>What are the disadvantages of the slide play?
>....  I have seen the women's team run this play 
>successfully so I am pretty convinced of the merit of the play.

If you buy tickets in the "end zone" (behind the service line) for
any men's international match, you will note that most of the hitters run
their approaches largely parallel to the net.  Even if the defense
is reading perfectly, it is much more difficult for two blockers to
run in  parallel together along the net than for one hitter.
Often times two hitters will run in parallel together with the big
guy closer to the net.  "Biggie" jumps first, pehaps for a back one,
then the shorter one takes one or two more steps and, surprise, no
blockers left to cover him.  So men run this at least as much as
women.  The difference is that most men still take off from two
feet not just the off-foot.

I have tried running this by taking off with one foot and find that I
don't get as much height, control, or power.  I also find that I get
there just as fast taking off with two feet.

Even in doubles I tell my partner always to set me at least several feet
to my right (I usually play right side), to leave room for that lateral
movement.  What I do have trouble doing is moving laterally to my
left, without changing direction a little in my last step to head straight
for the net.  Part of the problem might be that knee reconstruction
has left my left knee a little less stable to lateral stresses.  Does
anyone have suggestions on moving to your left for right-handers?
-- 

|| tom stockfisch, biosym technologies    tps@chem.ucsd.edu
From: abepd@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov (Spankin' Ed Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: New Shoes
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:04:43 GMT
Organization: nasa
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3

I have had some good luck with VB shoes, and I've had some really bad
luck with different brands of shoes.

First the bad: ASICS/Tiger shoes suck (IMO).  However these were the
first VB shoes I was able to find way back when.  Often these were the
only VB shoes that any of my friends could find as well.  Anyway, I have
tried several different styles of ASICS VB shoes, none of which came
close to lasting a season.  I took good care of these shoes, including
carrying them into the gym and never wearing them except to play VB on a
gym floor.  To make a sad story short, my ASICS shoes began to fall apart
within 3-4 weeks of once or twice a week playing.  I had the soul peel
off a month old pair of ASICS in the middle of a semi-final match and had
to finish the tournament in street sneaks.  The suede leather over the
toes without fail, failed.  Also the sizing was different than I was used
to.  ASICS 9 fit my 9 1/2 foot, so mail ordering would be iffy.  This
really doesn't matter since  I will never purchase ASICS products again
anyway.

Then the So-So: I've had average luck with NIKE shoes.  They never
absolutely fell apart, but the suede also disintegrated.  I played the
better part of some seasons with SHOO-GOO holding the suede pieces
together.  I wore a couple of different models and liked the shoe, but I
wasn't completely happy with them either.  They seemed to be on the
narrow side for my feet so they took some breaking in.

The Best (IMO): MIZUNO  I got a pair of their High-Tops back in 1988
through the mail.  They fit just fine, and they have lasted me a long
time.  I played 2+ full 
USVBA seasons in them, (I set and hit outside in a 6-2) and the souls
still have a lot of mileage left in them.  The top side of the toes have
some small tears at the seams now, but these shoes are now more than 4
years old.  If and when I return to competition, I would not hesitate to
order a new pair of MIZUNOs.  Of course the model shoe I have now is
probably obsolete since new models seem to come out every couple of
months.

Hope this answers some of your question.
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From: alee@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: SURVEY RESULTS: Volleyballs (In/Out-door)
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:07:22 PST

hello fellow netters,
                     Well the results of the volleyball survey I requested 
are in. Note the no. of responses on indoor balls doesn't match outdoor
balls because not everyone who responded owned/played both indoors &
outdoors


   OUTDOOR BALLS              VOTES
 Spalding Top Flite 18/AVP      9
 Molten Pro Beach               1

The Molten Pro Beach got 1 vote as the best indoor/outdoor ball for the price
(50% off) so as a strictly outdoor vb this must be considered. Other balls
used but not recommended were : Spalding Sunny, Mikasa/Side Out King of the
Beach, I Dig, Tachikara Beach Head (leather), Mikasa Beach Pro (too light, so
good for floaters in no wind), and the Wilson Redsand ball. People didn't
seem to have a preference over the 18 vs the AVP ball, so you could save 
$8-12 and buy the 18. The features of primary importance were feel of the 
ball and weight. Though the Mikasa Beach Pro seemed over priced to most.

   INDOOR BALLS               VOTES
 Tachikara SV-5W                6
 Mikasa VFC-200                 1

The 1 vote for the Mikasa VFC-200 was a tie with the Tachikara SV-5W. The 
SV-5W was thought to have the best feel of any ball available and could be 
purchased for approx. $15 less than the best Mikasa ( the World Class, 
'92 Olympics ball) $40 vs $55.

There was a good deal of variety in the people who responded , from AAA
players to purely recreational/non-league players, and oddly enough the 
selections and reasons were much the same.

So there you have it folks, the best ball survey. I'm now a proud owner of 
a Tachikara SV-5W, which I really like, and I'll buy a new Top Flite 18 when
they go on sale.

Thanks to all who responded, I appreciate the time you took to express your
preferences.

I hope this helps in your next vb purchase.

alex lee
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From: serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli)
Subject: Re: taping fingers
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 12:44:33 GMT

In article <Bv8v7K.K2u@unix.amherst.edu> mkrogers@unix.amherst.edu (MICHAEL K ROGERS) writes:
>Tom Stockfisch (tps@chem.ucsd.edu) wrote:
>: In article <1992Sep18.145234.28413@bmers145.bnr.ca> sshum@bnr.ca writes:
>: >What's the deal with taping your fingers?  Are they used for safety reasons?
>: 
>: There to show you whose blocking technique not to emulate.  Look for the
>: person with tape on every finger, and see if you can tell what they are
>: doing wrong blocking.  Basically, if you point you rotate your hand outward
>: so that your thumbs point up then your thumb, index, and middle fingers
>: can't get hurt (or at least mine have never gotten hurt since I started
>: doing this).  This has the added advantage of allowing you to get your
>: forearms closer together to prevent the field goal block, covers more
>: area left and right, and gives you better mechanical advantage on the ball).
>: ...
>
>While I agree about the blocking technique, the conclusion based on
>taped fingers is not universally valid.  None of the three fingers
>(pinkies, thumb) I tape have been originally injured while blocking.
>On rare occasions, someone has hit the ball down onto my upward-pointing
>thumb.  None of my fingers have been re-injured while blocking, but
>sometimes there has been pain.
>
>I had never thought of the blocking technique described above as being
>less injury prone.  I was taught it because it denies more court to
>hitter and make tooling off your hands more difficult.  Now I have a
>third reason.
>
>	-mike


I must agree with the fact that the blocking technique described above will
in fact NOT be injury free. I am not sure what level Tom plays at, but
I have seen lots of pinkies blow to pieces and thumbs jammed by higher
jumping hitters blasting it at your block.
 
I do agree with the fact that this technique is excellent, but once again
NOT EVERYONE blocks like that!

Serge
From: tps@chem.ucsd.edu (Tom Stockfisch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Covering Tips
Date: 29 Sep 1992 07:51:50 GMT
Organization: University of California San Diego, Chemistry
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In article <1992Sep27.235318.15757@ccu.umanitoba.ca> kujanpa@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Bob Kujanpaa) writes:
>Hi all.  I'd like some input on who should cover tips on defense.
>Our lineup has the back middle player covering deep
>free balls, offspeed hits, and digging.  The setter comes
>out of the number 1 (back right) position.  It's safe to assume
>that the setter should handle as few tips as possible
>since he has the best hands on the team and should be setting  
>as much as possible.

Some teams will deliberately dink straight at the setter in order to force a
fumble-thumb to set the ball.  If your setter can get under everything to
hand set, tell everybody that every tip he receives he will immediately
shoot or hut set to the outside.  This must be practiced so the outside
hitter is always ready for this.

Lisa Moore, who used to set for a sort of college all-star/olympic
B team squad told me this was standard procedure for all tips.  She
is phenomenal at taking balls two feet off the floor and finger setting
them right on the money.  If anyone has heard anything about her in
the past couple years, please let me know.
>
>When defending a power attack from the opposition, this
>would leave the back left person to dig hits as well as tips.
>Yes, no?  Should the deep middle player try to read the play and hustle
>like crazy to cover tips as well.  I realize the the setter will have 
>take some tips, and that everyone should be on the lookout for such shots.
>I would really appreciate some input on this subject. 
>
>My team is quite competitive and well rounded but seems to get burned by
>teams that tip and offspeed well.  Teams that hit hard are more predictable.
>
>I appreciate any and all responses.
>
>Bob
>
>-- 
>Bob Kujanpaa                         
>Network Administrator             Internet:  kujanpa@ccu.UManitoba.CA 
>Gendis Inc. 			 
>Winnipeg, MB


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