From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
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Date: 26 Jan 93 00:08:03 CST
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In article <81793@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt7242a@prism.gatech.EDU (KHAN,RAHEEL) 
writes:

( I think that it is customary - netiquette to include the header to which the
person is responding to. Otherwise it becomes confusing for the other reader to
follow what the other person is saying. It is to be noted that the previous
post came from Raj Bhatnagar.)

>..... ( deleted )...... 
>        In a Democracy, sovereignty belongs to the people.
>        In Communism,  sovereignty belongs to the State. 
>        In a Monarchy,  sovereignty belongs to the Monarch.
>        In an Oligarchy, sovereignty belongs to the "ruling class (caste)"
>        In a Theocracy, sovereignty belongs to the Church (priests).
>        In Islam, sovereignty belongs to Allah!  
>

  Additionally, in mindlessly violently societies, like Iran and Pakistan - as
  has been described in the Amnesty International 1990 report, repression and
  systematic dehumanization of subjects in the name of Allah/ Vishnu/ God/
  Jeehovah has been mitigated on women and minorities - under the garb of
  Democracy/ Oligarchy/ Theocracy. This systematic proceedure of butchering
  the humans in the name of someone whom an ordinary mortal cannot see, is
  one of the worst crimes that Allah/ Vishnu/ God/ Jeehovah has to bear with.

  FKYI, Communist states (police-states) operate in the same mode as do Iran
  Pakistan. There (Communist state) the minorities are those who dare to raise
  a voice against the Authority. Soviet Union and China were such states and
  so is Castro's Cuba - at present ! The systematic annihilation of
  "minorities" like the one in Islamic countries (Iran, Pakistan) has also been
  well documented - needing no further mention. At least to this pragmatic end,
  Communists and Mullahs have acted identically. Oppression on women, and, the
  systematic annihilation of minorities.

>    If sovereignty belongs to Allah, then how can a legitimate, secular,
>    Islamic country exist?

  What an excellent theocratic slip ! Why does not Allah descend from heavens 
  everyday and issue rules on what the humans should do ? Surely, the people
  do not have to use their brains and remain just mute dolls and do what
  the magic of Allah/ Vishnu/ God makes us to do ! What if someone does not
  believe in Allah/ Vishnu/ God ? Is he then  free from Allah's rules/ wrath ?
  Why does everybody *have* to believe in God - as you imply to survive in an
  Islamic state ?
> 
>    Besides, the biggest logical flaw in your argument is that you assume 
>    that all people of the world have a secular mindset and it is the 
>    "non-secularism " of Muslims that is at the root of all problems. 
>    What about fanatical Hindus, and fanatical Orthodox Christians?  If 
>    all the Muslims decieded to be "secular" ( good slaves) then what
>    guarantee is there that these fanatical elements will also become 
>    "secular"?
>

  No Raj is right here, and, so was Javed Ahmed Khan. Claiming that Islamic
  country will have all the peace in the world, is a hogwash. For 1400 years
  the History has seen that. Many great historians/ novelists Toynbee, Wells
  (the two whose works I can quote) have commented what charming Islamic
  practices are ! (These authors are the most respected in the world and thus
  cannot be ruled/ de-recognized for their critique.) If I do not believe in
  the Qur'an why should I be ruled by Allah ? Or, don't I have the right to do
  so ? Why should Allah dictate my life, and, political thinking ? Why can't I 
  use my own brain to decide what to do ?

  To cap it all, Orthodox Christians, Fanatic Hindus have at least one good
  point: both (at least Hindus) separate the temple and the state. Christians
  (if at all they are orthodox) are obliged to so because Christ asks them to
  act in that manner. Only Islamic concepts, complicate matters by the big
  theory that everybody is ideally forced to accept that Mosque and the State
  are the same. This makes today look like yesterday, and, humans have to act
  as robot. I find this quite absurd as far as modern socio-political theories
  go. Why should humans be confined within a set of rules - that cannot be
  *challenged* till the end of the world ? 

  Why are Ahamadyas non-Muslims ????
 

>    In reality, there is no solution for us (Muslims) other than becoming 
>    better Muslims and putting our trust in Allah, for there is no better 
>    "helper" than Allah.  If we do not do so, then we should be prepared for 
>     humiliation in this life and punishment in the next one.
>
   Gimme a break !
  
>>---raj
> 
>    
> 
>     Raheel Ahmed Khan!
> -- 
> KHAN,RAHEEL
> Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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      - deb chatterjee
     (a good samaritan)
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