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From: ychang@cs.tamu.edu (Yeimkuan Chang)
Subject: Re: Codes for Countries
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:09:32 GMT

In article <AYRJOLA.92Jul28224911@vipunen.hut.fi> ayrjola@hut.fi (Ari Yrjl) writes:
>
>You're not the only one confused with all those codes; Eurosport
>english commentators talked about Libyan swimmer Sunday and then
>thought he was from Liberia...actually he was from Lebanon (his
>country code was LIB). In result list they show flag too,
>that's where I could identify  his real home country...another
>swimmer was thought to be from Solomon Islands when his code
>was SLO. Well, that should have been easier case, it's Slovenia
>as anybody watching ski jumping during Winter Olympics should know :)
>
><document>
><title>COUNTRY CODES -- ISO 3166
><author>International Organization for Standardization (ISO)
><table tabstop="0 48 56 64">
><thead>
>Country                                         A 2     A 3     Number
><tbody>
>Afghanistan                                     AF      AFG     004
>Albania                                         AL      ALB     008
>Algeria                                         DZ      DZA     012
>American Samoa                                  AS      ASM     016
>Andorra                                         AD      AND     020
>Angola                                          AO      AGO     024
   .
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   .
       +---it should be Republic of China(ROC)
       +---or Chinese Taipei for Olympic organization name(political reason)
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
>Province of China Taiwan                        TW      TWN     158
   . 
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   .
>
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From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:52:43 GMT
	<1992Jul28.124514.14930@cs.hw.ac.uk>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: nick@cs.hw.ac.uk's message of 28 Jul 92 12:45:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.124514.14930@cs.hw.ac.uk> nick@cs.hw.ac.uk (Nick Taylor) writes:

   Cricket               England (includes all UK)

Scotland has a cricket team, no?  They're not yet allowed to play in
international matches because they previously played against English
counties, so the MCC thinks they're an English county too.  Or something.
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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Basketball standings, medal count.
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:33:09 GMT
Organization: Exile Government of Bramming

cluck@pollux.usc.edu (Carlos L. Luck) writes:

>Now a comment regarding the medal overall count. As far as I know, group sports
>count as a single medal each and it takes two weeks and the combined effort of
>several athletes. On the other hand, swimming, gymnastics and the like are 
>most of the time due to the individual effort of a single competitor, who 
>participates in several competitions, eventually collecting several medals. I'm
>not trying to lower the merit of those, but shouldn't the medal count for
>sports such as basketball be the actual number of players, or something like 
>that?

Just think about the effect that the football (some call it soccer) would
have on the medal count - 20 gold medals! But your critisisem of the medal
count is correct, some sports weights a lot more than others. If the 
USA basketball team had been a swim team of the same relative strength,
they would have gotten a 2 digit number of medals. Another problem is that
many sports have very strict rules on participant numbers from each 
nation - in some boat classes Denmark has 2 or 3 boats among the world
top 10, but the IOC will only allow 1 of them to participate.

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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: U.S. athlete with broken leg help?
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:07:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.170039.3141@otago.ac.nz>, garks@otago.ac.nz writes:
> I have a photo that was published in a newspaper recently of a black U.S. field
> athlete who has sustained a complete fracture of the right lower leg during his
> run-up to the long jump.  Could someone please supply the mans name and any
> other information as can be supplied.

I will have to dig up the archives, but I will find it for you!  It made
the back page of the West Australian.

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From: fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: TripleCast Update
Originator: fortony@murphy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:55:38 GMT

cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris) writes:

>professional. Limiting sports to purported "amateurs" simply does not
>work any more.

The problem is that many people define 'work' differently.  The dudes who
decided to start adding their professional players to the olympic games
under the guise of amateurism defined 'work' as 'win'.  They were willing
to get the hardware at any cost.

Now, the Olympic spirit *used* to be that we wouldn't stoop to their
level.  We'd go out there in the spirit of international challenge and
sportsmanship, no matter what odds were stacked against us.  If we won,
it was a big story, like that hockey game.  If we lost, then we gave it
our best.  America has always loved its losers no less.

I think we should have continued to send our young and hopeful even
against their stars.  It would make the games more interesting and less
of a purely technical display -- everyone knows the Finns (or whoever
the heck invented the sport) are going to crush us brutally in curling
when they send out their curling gurus.  The US Basketball team is
going to win going away by sixty in the gold medal round.  Jamaica's
not going to win any kind of bobsledding anything.  If at least we made
our contribution interesting, and human, more people might be interested
in the results.  They might even pay to see it.

>Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

>"And there'll be more football in a moment, but first we've got
> highlights of the Scottish League Cup Final" -- Gary Newbon
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From: van@seurat.wustl.edu (Van Vo)
Subject: Re: updated event times?
Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:58:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.042711.20347@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu  
(Jason W Solinsky) writes:
> In article <1992Jul23.201854.5628@rice.edu>, rachele@rice.edu (Rachele  
Harless) writes:
> |> 
> |> Clari.sports.olympic posted another list of the event times.  By all 
> |> appearances, it looks the same, but I s`pose if you went through it
> |> with a fine tooth comb, you would find some changes.  At any rate, if
> |> anyone want the latest list, email me and I will send it to you.  
> |> Since it is so long (900+ lines) I would prefer not to post it, but
> |> if my emailbox gets flooded, maybe I will change my mind.  ;)
> 
> Clarinet is copyrighted. If their copyrights get violated too much, the
> service will stop and I will be without electronic news (of the acurate
> variety). Please don't post their stuff, lest somebody who depends on
> their information tell them about it.
> 
> Jason W. Solinsky

I doubt that they have much problem with single, unsystematic duplication
as long as they get credit.  Once someone makes a posting, it is
copyrighted.  However, if given credit, it can be copied, like a
newspaper article, for non-profit use.  So please keep us updated
from clari for those of us who don't have it.

Van Vo
From: aksimha@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Arun Simha)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Who is the commentator in the diving?
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:23:27 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <Bs14H4.6pM@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> jshen@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Jun Shen) writes:
>In article <yzhou.712177156@void> yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Ya Zhou) writes:
>>Can somebody tell me who the female commentator is in the diving event?
>>She really tried hard to belittle China's divers, who late ranks #1 in 
>>the event. It was said that she (the commentator) has won two silvers in
>>previous olympics behind Chinese divers. 
>>
>
>She is Michelle ???, the silver medalist of last Olympics....
>
>

  Never mind her and the jerk Bob Costas. They actually said that Janet Evans
  conquered the swimming world in the last olympics. DUH! Was Kristin Otto 
  an illusion?  Btw, did you see how they harrassed the swimmers. Anita Nall
  and Matt Biondi were disappointed, but hey, the commentator was rubbing
  it in. She asked, "I know it is extremely shocking Anita, but, how do you
   feel?". Anita Nall said something to the effect that she didn't mind the
  bronze and she was happy to go away with a medal. The interviewer, "Isn't
  it shocking to you?." Poor Anita!
   Gosh, and to think that we'll have to face 15 more days of Bob Costas
   and company! GASP!!!!!


 Arun Simha

  
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From: richter@mcc.com (Charlie Richter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: swimming question
Keywords: losing race at the end
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:53:27 GMT
Organization: MCC, Austin, TX

In several swimming races I've seen, a USA swimmer has led until the
last 25 meters of the race, at which point he or she was overtaken.
It seems like this is happening more frequently to USA swimmers than
to swimmers from other countries, and it seems more common at these
Games than at previous ones.  I can think of several possible reasons:

  1. The US coaches are telling the swimmers to get an early lead, and
     the swimmers are starting too fast.

  2. The US swimmers aren't in top condition.  (Maybe the timespan
     between the Olympic trials and the Games wasn't optimal?)

  3. The conditions at Barcelona aren't what the US swimmers are
     accustomed to -- the water is warmer, the air temperature is
     higher, or something like that.

  4. I'm just dreaming and the number of late-race lead changes this
     year aren't out of the ordinary.

Anyone have any ideas about this?
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From: van@seurat.wustl.edu (Van Vo)
Subject: Re: updated event times?
Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:54:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.042711.20347@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu  
(Jason W Solinsky) writes:
> In article <1992Jul23.201854.5628@rice.edu>, rachele@rice.edu (Rachele  
Harless) writes:
> |> 
> |> Clari.sports.olympic posted another list of the event times.  By all 
> |> appearances, it looks the same, but I s`pose if you went through it
> |> with a fine tooth comb, you would find some changes.  At any rate, if
> |> anyone want the latest list, email me and I will send it to you.  
> |> Since it is so long (900+ lines) I would prefer not to post it, but
> |> if my emailbox gets flooded, maybe I will change my mind.  ;)
> 
> Clarinet is copyrighted. If their copyrights get violated too much, the
> service will stop and I will be without electronic news (of the acurate
> variety). Please don't post their stuff, lest somebody who depends on
> their information tell them about it.
> 
> Jason W. Solinsky

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From: fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: dream team or nightmare team?
Originator: fortony@murphy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:11:55 GMT

kai1@dasher.uucp (Kai Chiu) writes:


>If most of the team members were not african american, I would
>have suspected some racism here. I think we are all giving them
>credits talking about sportsmanship here, they lack human 
>decency. Let's drop the topic.  

>Sorry to see a nightmare team representing america.       

It was a silly joke.  What does it have to do with "human decency"
and being a "nightmare team"?

It looks to me like a bunch of people are taking Barkley's bad
move as a license to accuse the United States of being a bunch
of insane brutal police state sodomites.

Barkley elbows a guy in the chest.  According to the rules of the
game, he gets penalized.  The penalty occurs.  The game goes on.
If you think that was bad, watch a Pistons-Knicks game sometime.

>Kai Chiu
>kai1@dasher.cc.bellcore.com
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>Tel: (908) 699-7338 
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From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: The purpose of the Games of Olympiad
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:52:40 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <19871@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) writes:
>Of course everyone wants to be proud of their country and to win lots
>of medals, but does that mean politics and racism have to be involved?

I hope you believe what you said. After Zhuang Yong of China won her
gold, the American silverlist immediately complained the random drug
testing system which is the result of heavy lobby by American team since
they dominate swim.  Some say they are tired of testing (reasonable),
some say they are protecting their medalist to be discovered by the
testing (unreasonable).  People like to speculate.  But it is an outrage
for Time, Chicago-tribute to say Chinese team might on drug with no
evidence.  I don't recall they said similar things about China 4 years
ago (wonder why).

Even I heavily, heavily like to see some coverage on Chinese team, I
have not made any complaints yet to NBC - I wouldn't.  I do hope that
politics and racism out, so that we all can enjoy Olympics with a
peaceful mind.  

My TV is off, I am going to read soc.culture.china ...

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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Cool Arrow Thing
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:42:14 GMT

coxm@Software.Mitel.COM (Michael Cox) wrote: 
->If you saw NBC on Sunday night they showed another angle where the arrow went
->up, over and down past the torch.  The must have had 1) a lot of gas flowing
->out, or 2) remotely ignited it just in case he missed.  

#1 is correct if you believed the NBC commentator.

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From: bubai@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (P.Chatterjee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Medal Count
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:50:19 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Hi,

Would really appreciate if somebody could post the medal count (updated).

Thanks.
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From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: "Macedonians" in the Olympics....
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:30:19 GMT

astefani@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Stefanidis) writes:

> I was really surprised to see the message concerning the participation of
>"Macedonian" athletes in the Olympics. The olympic movement and ideals should
>not be used for cheap political propaganda. 

The Skopjans/Macedonians are not the first nor the worst ones to abuse
what you call Olympic movement and ideals. Nazi Germany was the first
country to realize the propaganda value of the Olympics. Ever since 
the Olympic games have been used to promote certain political ideologies.

> <parts deleted>
>It is relieving though to see that the original message clearly indicates that
>Skopjans have nothing to do with the Olympic spirit and the Greek philosophy
>and tradition that they try so hard to embezzle. 

What? Are Skopjans/Macedonians trying to steal the Olympics from you? :-)
I thought it was Atlanta, Coca Cola and the Americans. :-)

>"Macedonia", how could they ever participate? Let's see now what name they are 
>going to pick for the next Olympics...
>
>I do not expect Skopjans of course to be familiar with Greek history since they
>have nothing to do with it, but the Olympic ideals have become global values 
>and should be respected above mean-spirited and unjustified political 
>propaganda. In ancient Greece even wars were put on hold during the Olympics.

Politics have been an integral part of the modern Olympics almost since they
started. Greek philosophy and Greek history don't have much meaning in
today's games whether you like it or not. Athens didn't get the 1996 games
and the only reason for that was money, which has become the most important
factor in the Olympics.

Olympic ideals have faded away and been replaced by commercial and 
entertainment values. Even you Mr. Stefanidis don't seem to regard them 
very highly, since you are using them to justify your political views.

>Anthony Stefanidis
>The Ohio State University

Janne Kivela"
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From: mamohamm@vela.acs.oakland.edu (SKEPTICAL)
Subject: Pipen and Jordan
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:13:04 GMT

In article <4127@news.duke.edu> jafarr@north4.acpub.duke.edu (Jeff) writes:
>Emil Thomas Chuck metioned that Petrovic was held scoreless in the 
>second half, and that he was guarded by Jordan.  Actually, he was
>guarded by a combination of Jordan and Pippen, who probably "wanted to send
>a message" to their potential new teammate, as Marv put it.
>
>Jeff
>Duke University
>"It's gonna be sweet to threepeat.  Just gotta make it through football season."

You Guys should read the column by Mitch Albom (the 3 year US award 
winning columnist) from July 28, 1992  Detroit Free Press. The guy 
above mentioned was drafted by the Bulls and was offered more money 
then Pipen to come and play in Chicago. Now that did not suit Pipen 
one bit. So he and Jordan were just settling a personal gurdge.

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From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:47:12 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Jul28.063104.10049@osf.org>, sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience) writes:
> And does anyone know why on earth a parade in Spain (oops, sorry
> Catalonia) should use French? 
> 
According to the great and good Mr Coleman, who sounded as though he was
reading from a prepared script, the local organising committee couldn't agree
on Spanish or Catalan, so to avoid controversy they used one of the other
official languages of the games. They presumably used French rather than
English because they don't trust the Anglo-Saxon conspirators...

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From: flee@cs.psu.edu (Felix Lee)
Subject: Re: Bob Costas and NBC commentators
	<1992Jul29.043638.4185@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:51:53 GMT

Greg Dilworth:
> I must also admit that they focused on the US team to the exclusion
> of almost everyone else with the exception of Boginskaya from the
> Unified Team.  But, let's be realistic here, what more do you expect?

Well, I'd be happy with fewer reaction shots of the coaches, fewer
shots of gymnasts waiting for their results, or waiting to start.  And
fewer commercials of course.  All these fillers, taking time that
could be spent showing more action.

To some extent, these are logistic, directing problems, trying to
cover a live event with concurrent action.  I can sympathize with a
decision to stick mostly to the american team, to simplify things, but
it makes the program much less interesting.

Perhaps I'm not patriotic enough.  On the other hand, I don't seem to
be in the target audience for the commercials either, so what I think
probably doesn't matter much.

What I'm not sure I understand is why they don't do more editing
before broadcast.  Given that it's being shown tape-delayed, what's
the big deal with keeping it live?  The constraint here is probably
the limited commentators, and keeping the commentary live.
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Cricket in the Olympics
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:04:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.060526.27572@ecst.csuchico.edu>, jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali) writes:

|> An estimated 2 BILLION people watched Pakistan defeat England in the 
|> Cricket World Cup in Melbourne earlier this year.  

This is pretty rediculous. Do you realize the incredible disruptions that would
occur if this happened. I find it hard to believe that their have ever been
2 Billion people watching TV simultaneously.

Jason W. Solinsky
From: tlglenn@cs.arizona.edu (Ted L. Glenn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: MEDAL COUNT su 26.7.
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:40:38 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Jul27.211702.15672@cs.hut.fi> killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:
>
>The official standings are in order of gold medals, then silver and
>finaly bronze.  I will update the Total medal count to include countries
>not having won a gold medal real soon now.

I've always understood the "official standings" to be based on the total
number of medals won. If there was a tie, the number of gold medals won 
would be used as a tie-breaker, and if a tie remained, the number of silver
medals would break the tie.

Think about it, a country with 5 bronze medals and nothing else deserves
to be ranked higher than a country with one gold medal and nothing else.
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