From: wsonnen@alnitak.usc.edu (Wayne Sonnen)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Smart Drugs
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:17:32 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1k9slvINNi2u@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> pancake@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Daniello) writes:
>I just saw this in the recent Omni magazine:
>
>
>SMART DRUGS
>
>Piracetam, Lucidril, Deprenyl, Vinpocetine and others are still available
>to Americans by mail order from Europe, for personal use.  Send $12 for
>the Nootropic News: medical reviews, Directory of Mail Order Suppliers,
>sample prices, newsletter.  As we are not affiliated with any suppliers,
>our information is honest and non-promotional.
>
>Nootropic News
>P.O. Box ON
>Camarillo, CA 93011
>
>
>Does anyone know if this is legit?  Twelve dollars seems like a lot for
>a little newsletter.  Does anyone out there have an electronic list
>of suppliers besides InHome and Interlab which I believe have been
>shut down or the FDA at leas seizes packages from them?  
>

First of FORGET ABOUT INHOME and INTERLAB. Look around! There are PLENTY
of places to buy this stuff.

Second, yes these people are legit, BUT a RIP-OFF. Here a list (partial!)
of some suppliers that i have posted SEVERAL times.

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Here is a summary of some mail-order sources for "life-extension" and/or
"smart drugs".

Qwilleran
P.O. Box 1211
Birmingham B18 6NW
ENGLAND

World Health Services
P.O. Box 20
CH-2822 Courroux
SWITZERLAND

Quotaz S.A.
P7, 20-21 (Planken)
D-6800 Mannheim 1,
West Germany

These people (Quotaz) operate a little 
differently than the other mail-order places
that i've dealt with. About 6 weeks ago i sent them a money order for about
$200.00 for some stuff. I received all the stuff i ordered! Most of the shipment
was received within two weeks, the rest arrived a little latter due to invintory
problems---but i did receive everything. The thing that was different about
this place is their method of shipment. I received everything taped to the 
inside of x-mas (or birthday) cards! I sent away for some more stuff from them
but this time i only ordered $100 worth of stuff. Considering there method
of shipment, i wouldn't want to send away for any more than that at a time.
I should be receiving the shipment within a week or so (amil may be slow
during the holidays). 
Because i did get everything the first time, and because some of their
prices are fair, i can recommend them.
Note (added 1-28-93): A few weeks ago CRE's newsletter mentioned that
Quotaz may be being operated by some of the same people or somehow
affiliated with INHOME (or was it INTERLAB---whatever!). Bottom line:
There was some question about whether or not the deprenyl they are selling
was real. I personally doubt that they would be counterfitting something
like this (the differential in cost was not more than $5 to $8 per 60 tabs
from other sources i have listed).
Whatever the case may be, today i recieved a letter from Quotaz saying that
my shipment (the last one: $100 stuff) is on its was. It took then longer
this time (about 6-8 weeks as opposed to less than 4 weeks for my first
order). This may be due to the increase in business---i don't know. At least
i am still getting my stuff. 
My advise is that if you are going to purchase something from these people,
do not buy large quantities at one time and wait until your shipment
arrivies until you send away for more.

Longevity Plus
U Dubu 27,
147 00 Prague 4-Branik
Czechoslovakia

(Longevity Plus's prices are not very good, except for their hydergine.
Its a generic and i haven't found out if its pharmaceutically equivalent
to Sandoz's hydergine).

Finally, while i was in TJ, i contacted this pharmacy and asked about the
possibility of shipping me stuff in the US. They'll do it! Here's there address:

Farmacia VIRGO
CALLE 6TA. No. 2023
ENTRE REV. Y. MAD.
TIJUANA, B.C.

Tele. (011-52-66) 85-69-66

Make checks out to (they accepted a personal check from me already):

Carlos Ceballos

Ask to speek to Eduardo and tell him that you are a friend of me Wayne
(he knows who i am--if not remind him that i already purchased lots of
piracetam and had it mailed and that i was just there (Dec. 19)
with my girlfriend). They sell piracetam for about $5.50 for 30 800 mg
tabs. The deal is that you must purchase $150.00 worth of drugs. Then there
is a 20% fee for someone to cross the border and another $10.00 for mailing.
The extra 20%  and $10.00 brings the total cost of, for example $150.00 order
to $190.00----an extra $40.00. A bargin even for me, and i live in LA. An
even bigger bargin for some of my friends who live in Wisconsin.

The other sources i have are listed in the book i recommended:
"how to buy almost any drug without a prescription"
these include:

Masters Marketing Co LTD
Masters House
No 1 Marlborough Hill
Harrow Middx. HA1 1TW

(Masters sells vassopresson at a cheep price)

B. Mougios and CO O.E.
Pittakou 23 T.K. 546 45
Thessaloniki - GREECE

(make check out to B. Mougios. These people sell, for example, a
generic brand of hydergine--equivalent to Sandoz (I already asked them)--
at a cheep price).

Pharmaceuticals International
416 West San Ysidro Blvd. L37
San Ysidro, CA 92073
tel: 619-492-8928
ans service: 1-800-365-3698

(Pharm. International's prices are not the best, they will provide
a cataloge for about $3.00?).

I can recommend the books:

(1) How to buy almost and drug without a prescription. by
    H. Johnson (? don't have the reference on hand, but i'm almost
    certain about the author's name).

(2) "Drugs and Nutrients", by Dean Morgan and ?.

I can also recommend becomming a menber of the Life Extension Foundation.
They have an 800 number and are located in Hollywood FL.

In the book "Drugs and Nutrients", there is a list of organizations one
can join to keep up-to-date on "smart drugs" and new sources. For example,
i have subscriptions to CER (or CRE?).


Best regards,

Wayne Sonnen
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