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From: ans0@aber.ac.uk (Austin Newton Shackles)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Lords and Ladies references and query
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:37:22 GMT
Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth

"east of the sun, west of the moon" is from Tolkein, Lord of the Rings et al.

its the description of the place where the elves go over the sea, unless my memory completely fails me...crops up in the "old walking song" near the end of LOTR, as well as in other references...

-- 
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   DoD#0467 1981 Z440 Ltd   |  know the difference.  My opinions are just that 
   shackles@uk.ac.lampeter  |  Physics dept. University of Wales, Aberystwyth.
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From: ins450m@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (T.F. Eccles)
Subject: Re: Douglas vs Terry
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:32:18 GMT

GRS00021@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (APHiD) writes:


>Okay, my two cents....

>I prefer Pratchett for two reasons:

>    (i) Pratchett comes out with more books per year.
*grin* And they aren't just churned out.... :)

>   (ii) Pratchett seems to actually _like_ his characters. Even if Rincewind
>        _did_ get sucked into the Dungeon Dimensions, he didn't have every
>        possible instance of his existence ended! If you wonder what I'm
>        talking about, go read Mostly_Harmless. M_H is a good book but I
>        really really hated the ending. (Maybe he shouldna finished it on
>        a plane like TP points out. Could be the nasty airplane food cramped
>        him and put him in a nasty mood.) Anyway, I guess I just prefer
>        Pratchett because he seems more likely to have a happy ending while
>        Adams makes Vonnegut look like the happy-go-lucky type.
*smile* It seems to me that the Discworld novels are more 'light'...
not in entertainment, but in attitude. Arthur Dent was pathetic as a 
person, but so was Rincewind - the difference being their outlook....
Rincewind is pathetic but wishes he wasn't - Arthur just gets swept along.

*sigh* After chapter 3, Mostly Harmless lost me..... :'(

>Now that I've gotten hold of the address of an import dealer, I can feasibly
>get some overseas Pratchett books! Now if I can just get my hands on some
>money.......

iBruhahahahaha. I just saw a 'review' in Dragon, mentioning Reaper Man's
release.... America is slow isn't it :)

Eccles

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From: bertram@rchep.ph.unimelb.edu.au
Subject: Re: lots o' questions&annotations for Mort
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:21:12 GMT

In article <1drrbhINNql0@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, ST102315@brownvm.brown.edu () writes:
> p.62..."Igneous Cutwell, DM(Unseen)..."  DM may be a reference to
>   Dungeons and Dragons, where the DM (or Dungeon Master) knows
>   everything that is going on and controls what happens in the game.
>   He is clearly not above trying to inflate his credentials, as he
>   soon admits to Mort.
> 
DM(unseen) would be the degree recieved at the Unseen University.
Doctor of Magic (unseen University)

However it may be similar to a MA(Oxon) which is awarded to graduates for
merely working for  a year after graduation and paying a small fee!

> p.86..."They could pee through a dozen mattresses..."  Albert here mangles
>   a fairy tale.  Unfortunately, I can't remember how it goes.  Anyone?
>   Anyone?
The fairy tale basically states that a princess could feel a pea through a
dozen mattresses... A fairly obvious bastradisation.

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From: S_INTELMANN@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Intelmann Rederik)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Strata annotation
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:17:02 GMT
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

I finished reading Strata recently, and stumbled across
some dog-latin (ok, across one sentence, but I couldn't phrase
that right). Anyway, here goes:
In Strata, Corgi books, 3rd reprint 1991, p.114, the shand
Silver says "Cape illud, fracturor" after flooring someone with
a well-thrown stone. According to my dad (stupid me learned
russian instead of latin in school), this translates as
"Take this, buster", or something the like.

By the way, in Botany there's a so-called priority-rule for
naming species, saying that the oldest scientific name of a
species is to be used in systematics. Generously applied to the
APF it would mean we'd have to use the name "shand-latin"
instead of "dog-latin", since Strata is older than Moving
Pictures...

Naah, forget it, dog-latin sounds much better to me !

Fred

(Sorry, my .sig fell ill last week, and it's still recovering.
Must've been someone it ate...)
From: ma_blase@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Fox)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: You know, I hate to say this, but....
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:18:27 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

CJ Canon (clement@arp.anu.edu.au) wrote:
> In article <1e51ptINN8pu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ted5@po.CWRU.Edu (Thomas E. Davidson) writes:
> 	
> |> 	However, don't you think it's possible that you're all getting a
> |> bit carried away? I mean, the man is plain funny; why analyze it?
> |> 
> 
> No, I don't, basically because when you are able to trace all the different
> references in the texts, and see how TP modifies them, the laugh you get is
> often heartier than the one you get when reading it for the first time.

No, I don't agree (for what that's worth).  Think of it this way...

Random reader : 'Hah hah hah!  This bit in Equal Rites is amazingly funny'

A.F.P guru    : 'What bit?'

Random reader : 'Oh the bit where Esk (dum de dum de dum)'

A.F.P         : 'Ah yes.  That's funny because so and so is a parody of 
		 thingumy-jig and there's a cunning side reference to
		 what`s-his-face aswell compounded with the fact that
	 	 it's all done in front of oojumiflip's face'

Random reader : 'Oh.  Erm.  Thanks.'  <goes on to read the rest of the book
				       pointedly not laughing out loud>



Yes, well maybe it's just too early in the morning and I need a coffee.

Mike
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From: jeremy@garland.bt.co.uk (Jeremy Pavier)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Colour of Magic Graphic Novel
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:56:57 GMT
Organization: Intelligent Networks, British Telecom

In article <922013162052@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk> STUCS204@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090 writes:
>If anyone has seen this new Discworld Product. If so can they let me know what
>they think about it and if they think that it's all just a ploy to screw more m
>oney out of Discworld fanatics like myself. Does one count ERIC as a graphic no
>vel or not?
>          Thoughts please (e-mail or reply article)
>                   to stucs204@uk.ac.bham - aka Richard.


I just saw the new TCOM graphic novel when I went to buy the papaerback of
Witches Abroad, on Saturday. Personally I thought it lacked a lot.
Rincewind looked like an out of work longshoreman and Twoflower didn't seem
to have enough eyes. The artwork was a bit charmless. I wasn't impressed
so I didn't buy it.

I think it's a bit like when they film any novel that depends for it's
dramatic or humorous effect on some imaginative input from the reader.
The moment the director/artist imposes an image on a character or event,
most of us feel disappointed with the result. Same happened with the
Lord of the Rings animation I reckon.

Pav


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From: ma_blase@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Fox)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Douglas vs Terry (etc. etc....)
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:20:46 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol
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Roddi Walker (roddi@cs.monash.edu.au) wrote:

> lindap@bruce wrote:
> 
> >Oh, yes - we "get along like a house on fire - flames, screaming, people
> >running for help." 
> >:-)
> 
> I do someone the _compliment_ of courtesy, and this is the manner in which
> I am thanked :-)

At least you didn't get the napalm enema this time.

Hellfire, where's that coffee?

Mike
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From: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart)
Subject: Re: just stuff...
Reply-To: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:50:17 GMT

fishhook@sage.cc.purdue.edu (steven freeman) writes:

> One other thing...I'm not positive about this, but, isn't Dunnmanifestin(sp),
> home of the gods on Discworld, reffered to as a sort of retirement home?
> Would that make the name a play on the words Done Manifesting, wich the gods
> would be if they were retired...

Read the Annotated Pratchett File, posted to this newsgroup every
month (next release scheduled for 5 Dec) (or ftp it from
theory.lcs.mit.edu in the file pub/dmjones/annotated-pratchett).

In it, you will find, among a few other things:

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+ [p. 262] The home of the Gods at the top of Cori Celesti, is referred to
  as "Dunmanifestin" on several places in the Discworld novels [I am trying
  to chase the earliest appearance. Anyone?]  This is not only a reference
  to the many British placenames that begin with 'Dun' (a Gaelic word
  meaning castle or fort and hence town) but also a reference to the
  supposedly traditional name for a twee retirement bungalow in the
  suburbs. When people (especially the bourgeous middle classes) retire to
  the suburbs, they always, according to the stereotype, give the house
  some 'cute' punning name. Since the Dun/Done association is well-known,
  one of the more common names (though it is a matter of discussion if
  anyone has ever actually seen a house with this name) is 'Dunroamin' -
  that is "Done Roaming" - i.e. the owners of the house have finished
  "travelling the world" (sic) and are now settled down to a life of the
  Daily Mail, golf and coffee mornings. From this, we get that a retirement
  home for gods not possessing much taste, might just be named
  "Dunmanifestin".
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From: D.J.Butcher@newcastle.ac.uk (Dave Butcher)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: DW Film
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:52:55 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


I don't know about the cast, but Terry Gilliam directing is something that
would be worth seeing.

Dave,
Nb.- Witty Quote goes here.

	D.Butcher@ncl.ac.uk
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Subject: Re: lots o' questions&annotations for Mort
From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 20:24:20 NZST
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand

kjackson@cix.compulink.co.uk (Keith Jackson) writes:

> introduced as steam is introduced into the top half. With a piston about
> three feet in diameter you get a fair amount of shove, even at the *9psi* 
> the boilers produced. This pair of engines can pump a ton of water every
> 10 seconds or so each!
> 

Was it Watt or Stevenson, who produyl showed off their new steam 
engine, and to demonstrate the precision engineering demonstrated that 
it was ONLY JUST possible to put a coin between the piston and the 
shaft!

-- 
  Wayne McDougall, BCNU
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From: andy@orchid.bdc.ubc.ca (Andrew Dwelly)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: The harvest's hope ?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:36:05 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.bdc.ubc.ca


I finally managed to get back my copy of _Reaper Man_ from the friend who  
I loaned it to, and on rereading it was struck by Death's final question  
to Azrael -

What can the harvest hope for, if not for the care of the reaper man ?

Is this line original to Terry Pratchett ? I seem to recall hearing
something similar in the past, although I think it was "if not for the
care of the harvester". In any case, it's an ideal phrase for that dream
gravestone that people keep trying to sell me over the phone. 

Just curious.

Andy - andy@bcu.ubc.ca
--
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(604) 822-6527, andy@bcu.ubc.ca
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: RW <RET> UU B4 S
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:09:09 GMT
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH


In article <1992Nov19.185058.5336@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>,
sr@mp.co.umist.ac.uk (Simon Read) writes:
|>
|>Given that TCOM means "The Colour of Magic" (BTW: is that "The Color of Magic"
|> on the otherside of the pond?).

No, PTerry's books have retained British spelling throughout in their US
editions.  Thank Offler!

--PSW
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From: hughes@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Martin Hughes)
Subject: RE: DW film
Organization: Institute of Physical & Chemical Research (RIKEN) Saitama,Japan
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:42:23 GMT

OK - this is my first ever post, although I have been reading this (and other groups) for the last 3 months or so.  So, a question and a few comments.
From: car-a@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: The Last Starfighter and the Beast
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:35:57 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au writes:

>Compare that with the Ballroom scene in "Beauty and the Beast"  (Had to
>bring it up again):  It took 2.5 to 4.5 hours to render every frame (granted,

I had no idea Beauty and the Beast was done by computer, I haven't 
actually seen it.  Seems like a hell of a waste of time and energy
for a disney cartoon.

I had a suspicion that a Cray was used in The
Last Starfighter, but I didn't want to commit myself when people are
so eager to flame each other nowadays...  Cray is one of those names
that is bandied about (in hushed tones) when you want to impress
someone...

 
Chris Reece.
If I annoy you that much - mail me.
"Relax, no doubt the Universe is unfolding as it should be",
							Evan Dando
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From: t88swa@tdb.uu.se (Sven Wallman)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett,alt.comedy.british,uk.misc
Subject: Re: `Guards! Guards!' on BBC Radio
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:42:04 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Andy Thomas (andy@csqx.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk) wrote:
: Just a quick note to tell those of you who:
: 
:  a) like Terry Pratchett, and
: 
:  b) live in the UK
: 
:  that the BBC are broadcasting an adaptation of `Guards! Guards!' in 6 weekly
: parts on Radio 5 starting from next Monday, 23 November at 9:30pm.  The first
: episode is an hour long, so draw from that what you will ..

anyone got any longwave (or whatever) frequencies for Radio 5?
--
Sven Wallman, S:t Larsg. 5, 753 11 Uppsala, Sweden, +46 1812 9237
"I think, therefore I'm right."-Hugo Rune
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From: ins450m@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (T.F. Eccles)
Subject: Re: Douglas vs Terry (etc. etc....)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:44:08 GMT

lindap@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Linda Penington) writes:

> (JBURTON@ESTEC.BITNET) wrote:
>: 
>:   As for Lindap & Roddi, they should get together. They seem perfectly matched.
>: to me.

>Oh, yes - we "get along like a house on fire - flames, screaming, people
>running for help." 

>:-)

>(with thanks to karlg for reminding me of that amazingly relevant quote
>:)

*chuckle* Sounds right to me - Sound like Karl as well. ;)

Eccles

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From: nrp@csug3.cs.reading.ac.uk ("Traitorous bird climates" Neilski)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett,alt.comedy.british,uk.misc
Subject: Re: `Guards! Guards!' on BBC Radio
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:07:33 GMT
Reply-To: nrp@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk
Organization: University of Reading

jane@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jane Hesketh) writes:


>BBC Radio 5 is medium wave only. It was set up to be for kids,
>...
>It has rapidly been taken over
>as a sports frequency on the quiet, as far as I can see

I thought it was always supposed to be a sports & kids channel, i.e. when
there's no sport, put some kids' stuff on.

-- neilski

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From: nparkhu1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Nao Parkhurst)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: East of the Sun & West of the Moon
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:08:01 GMT
Organization: SWIL - when Reality ain't enough.

In article <1992Nov17.094528.13083@turing.ac.uk>, robin@duich.turing.ac.uk
(Robin Boswell) writes:
> 
> 
>   Half-way down p. 62 of the British edition of "Lords and Ladies",
> there's a list of five terms for lands beyond the mundane.
> The first, "East of the Sun and West of the Moon" sounds
> familiar, but I can't identify the reference.  Can anyone 
> help?
> 
Fairy Tale. Summary (missing some function words , but what to expect from
Linguistics Major? Also missing much of the storytelling that can make this
story good, but am in hurry)
Youngest Daughter of poor family goes and lives with a bear in exchange for
family getting food. Promises never to look at bear at night. She does &
drops candle wax on his shirt while discovering that he is handsome young
Prince @ night & bear in day. He wakes up & has to regretfully go away &
she has to find him. Where is he? East of the Sun & West of the Moon. The
North Wind takes her there. She manages to rescue him from marriage with
Troll Princess by washing the candle wax out of his shirt. (Only a human
(or in some versions, Christian) girl could possibly manage. Spots get
bigger when Troll Princess tries.)  Youngest Daughter marries Prince. The
end.

>                     Robin Boswell.
> 
> 

Nao Parkhurst 
nparkhu1@cc.swarthmore.edu
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From: tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk (Terry Pratchett)
Subject: Terry and Monty Python ??               
Cc: tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:04:00 +0000

No.  I'm fairly honest about this stuff.  I didn't even see the film until
long after the book was done.  Once again, I'd say it's an easy parallel --
what with the Masque of the Red Death and stuff like that, the joke is just
lying there waiting for anyone to pick it up.

Terry
From: garton@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Simon Garton)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: just stuff...
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:38:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <BxxwDK.1G@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> fishhook@sage.cc.purdue.edu (steven freeman) writes:
>
>One other thing...I'm not positive about this, but, isn't Dunnmanifestin(sp),
>home of the gods on Discworld, reffered to as a sort of retirement home?
>Would that make the name a play on the words Done Manifesting, wich the gods
>would be if they were retired...

yes you are absolutely, completely and utterly right. It
actually extends from a British tradition of naming your house
Dunroamin, which sounds quaintly scottish, but is just short for
'done roaming', ie time to settle down.

Then theres my neighbours house : Thistledome
Looks quaint enough, until you realise it's a pun on
this 'll do me ....

When I lived in england, the last two house I lived in were
Leyland Cottage, and Winkford Grange. Now I am in the US, the
last two places I lived in are 9252B and 9450 #920634

Kind of depressing really.

Simon
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From: tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk (Terry Pratchett)
Subject: TP speaks!                              
Cc: tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:48:00 +0000


So, I log on, and once again a huge amount of messages whizzes up the screen.
Anyway...some answers.  Now, the actual QUESTIONS have probably disappeared
into oblivion, but bear with me, I'd prefer to do the occasional posting like
this than turn up like a rash all over the computer [phrase (c) The Blues
Brothers, to save time...]

1) Diggers/Wings: Cosgrove Hall still want to do this -- and are still trying
to finance it.

2) How much physics do I know?  How do I know that?  I don't know about the
stuff I don't know.  I've no formal training but I've spent a lot of time
around scientists of one sort of another, and I'm a great believe in osmotic
knowledge.

3) 'What can the harvest hope for, if not for the care of the reaper man?' As
far as I know, I made this phrase up.  In my head.  But the _metre_ sounds
familiar.

4) Dog Latin: People in the UK, even in public (ie, private) schools, don't
assume that 'everyone knows Latin'. Latin is barely taught anywhere any more
-- it certainly wasn't taught to me. But dog Latin ISN'T Latin, except by
accident.  It's simply made-up, vaguely Latin-sounding phrases, as in Nil
Illegitimo Carborundum.  'Fabricati Diem, Punc' is total nonsense in Latin
[no doubt there are readers out there who could construct the correct phrae
that might have fallen from the lips of Dirty Hadrian].

5) Transworld still haven't settled on timing for the South African tour.
But the Australian visit will probably pan out like this:
April 2-16: Perth area, at Suncon and generally hanging out; I'll probably be
doing some PR stuff for the con before Easter;
April 17-20: Yes, Transworld have actually said that since I'll be passing
through, I ought to do a signing in Alice Springs... Can't see it being a
biggie, but if it happens, it'll be around then,
April 21-25: PR stuff around Sydney.  Transworld want me to do talks and
signings this time, rather than media stuff.

Terry
From: nlc@vulcan.xtel.co.uk (Neil Cook)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: The Last Starfighter and the Beast
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:10:02 GMT
Organization: X-Tel Services Ltd.

In article <721910156.3698@minster.york.ac.uk>, car-a@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
|> I had a suspicion that a Cray was used in The
|> Last Starfighter, but I didn't want to commit myself when people are
|> so eager to flame each other nowadays...  Cray is one of those names
|> that is bandied about (in hushed tones) when you want to impress
|> someone...

I saw a TV programme about the Last Starfighter, and I think they said that
a Cray II was used. Did you know that Seymour Cray said that he learned more
about plumbing than computers when building that thing...

|> 
|>  
|> Chris Reece.
|> If I annoy you that much - mail me.
|> "Relax, no doubt the Universe is unfolding as it should be",
|> 							Evan Dando

Neil Cook.