HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: God and alcohol
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 02:56:04 GMT

>excepting those who mailed in their life's savings to televangelists, and those
>who become so obsessed with it that it takes over their lives...besides the
>basic absence of this god character, it's too dominant to be healthy...my
>favorite satire of this would be from repo man -- the parents who sat glued to
>the screen...

Well I was raised to believe that God is a man with a physical body and a
white beard (and white skin of course). I was also told that if I played
my cards write I could be a diety too some day. Unfortunately I
apostasized and lost my chance though. sigh..... )-: My parents though
happily give 13% (of gross) to the church though - going for the whole
ball of wax.





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From: cj@eno.esd.sgi.com.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Acid in Holland
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:08:43 GMT
Reply-To: cj@sgi.com
Organization: SGI TechPubs


In article <1hoastINNrgn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
|>Bart       300 ug      Eight squares constitutes one Bart Simpson with a sling.
||                      Bitter taste. Popular.
[...]
|Bitter taste?  LSD has no taste.

The poster might be tasting inks on the blotter, or the paper
itself.

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``Is it really true that strychnine typically contains small traces 
of LSD?  I want to poison somebody but I wouldn't want them to die
tripping.'' -- John C. Baez
From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: INFO: Coolcard pipe
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:59:22 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

>>
>>>I just bought a new pipe...
>
>>>On the back it says : Rauchen gefa^hrdet ihre gesundheit, so it must
>>>be manifactured in Germany originaly.
>>
>>I think that translates into "Smoking makes you [cough and] sneeze."
>
>Heh.  Typical of alt.drugs that someone who doesn't know German
>translates the thing, while those who do simply read it.  Hint:

Another hint: Don't correct someone else's use of a foreign language unless
you know it youself. "Gesundheit" means "Health," or literally,
heath-ful-ness, if there was such a word. 
Rauchen ... ; ie the whole phrase, means Smoking endangers your health


>Gesundheit doesn't mean "sneeze" in German!  Do you think that after you
>sneeze people say "Sneeze!" in German?  :-)  It means "smoking endangers
>your health."  So the big question is: is there a law in Germany that
>pipes have to say this on them??  Or is this some kind of bizarre joke?


-- 
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think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
Subject: Re: LSD and alcoholics posting on usenet
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:23:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.173322.10464@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:
>In article <1992Dec27.162719.9247@prime.mdata.fi> jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla) writes:
>>in the article they also quoted the original speaker:"We have found more
>>evidence to the claim that alcoholism is a biochemical disease and not
>>just lack of willpower". With this in mind we could treat addiction
>>whatsoever as a disease. So what? Does it change the fact that a person
>>is addicted and unable to control him/herself?
>
>    No, it doesn't.  So what?

In the long run this might well mean more state money and care for
alcoholics and more severe penalties and less care for drug users. I
don't think it's right. As well we could start favoring cocaine users
and punishing others.

During the last 12 months drug related news have taken more newspaper
space than never before here in Finland. And now that we know alcoholism
is a disease the new evil is clearly marked: drugs. 

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From: dmandl@shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: Brain Damage from LSD (Pink Floyd's Dr
Reply-To: dmandl@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:08:35 GMT

In article FLK@phage.cshl.org, pjm@isis.cshl.org (Pat Monardo) writes:
>In article <26T6VB1w164w@raley.Gwinnett.COM> pertinax@raley.Gwinnett.COM (Pertinax) writes:
>>I've read some of the earlier posts about the apocryphal LSD "vegetable" and
>>was wondering about the case I always hear about:  the drummer from Pink 
>>Floyd.  I don't know his name, or much about him- but the rumors I've heard
>>for years claim that he took to much LSD, and now lives with his mother and
>>can't remember being in the band.  Is there any truth to this at all, or is it
>>a classic UL?  Please don't flame me over this, as I have no personal 
>>knowledge of LSD's long term effects, if any.
>
>the last blurb i heard about him was that he was into race
>care driving. of course, he could be playing with electric
>racecars in his mother's house, but since the news report
>was of a partner of his getting killed, i don't think so.
>-- 
>-- Pat Monardo
>-- pjm@cshl.org

First of all, it's Pink Floyd's _guitarist_ (the original guitarist,
that is, the band's founder, Syd Barrett).  Yes, everyone in the
world knows that he's a major drug casualty--started seriously losing
it as early as 1967, and had to be gently escorted out of the band.
I'm no expert on acid's ability to fry brains, but ol' Syd did do
tons of it.  However, he also did scores of other drugs, in god-
knows-what combinations.  Tales of Syd's bizarre behavior are
legion; check out any historical article or bio of the Floyd 
(one, _A Saucerful of Secrets_, was published about a year ago).
BTW, Syd was a brilliant musician and writer--try Pink Floyd's first
LP, _The Piper at the Gates of Dawn_ (1967).

   --Dave.

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From: triley@weber.ucsd.edu (Tristan Riley)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Some anonymous posts
Date: 26 Dec 1992 11:01:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <Bzuqt8.6D1@ddsw1.mcs.com> alt.drugs writes:
>
>	Here's some posts people asked me to post anonymously.

>I am wondering if anyone else has tried the rice cake method of growing
>mushrooms and has had similar problems to mine (and hopefully knows
>what to do about it). 


uh, any chance somebody could re-post directions for this method (or
forward 'em)?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Fucking Loosers !
From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:42:21 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <1992Dec20.012042.1982@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>Fucking Loosers !
Fucking illiterate loser!
>
>The WOD propaganda and police destruction of the Constitutuion 
>continues unabated ... and indeed unopposed. 
>
>Where is the counter-propaganda ? Where are the facts ? NOWHERE !
>In fact, the WOD idiots have the total attention of the public. 
>No one writes any anti-WOD stuff that ever sees large-scale
>distribution. The fault is YOURS ! While you are busy being
>stoned, tripping ... the WOD militants have cornered the media
>with their bullshit. 
Speak for your idiotic self

What the fuck have you done?
>
>Yea, being high FEELS LIKE you are doing something - but it's only
>inside your head. We need REAL WORLD action ! 


-- 
"A horse! A horse! Somebody give me a horse, man, because|glazier@ 
I come to bury this dirtball, not to praise him. Whaddya |harvard.isr.edu
think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
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From: an4350@anon.penet.fi
Subject: poppies
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.drugs
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:20:18 GMT


Does anyone know if commonly available varieties of poppies will produce
usable quantities of opium? 

Just a theoretical interest of course...


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From: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: A question. . .
Date: 29 Dec 1992 02:20:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
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In a previous article, j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Joe Moody) says:

>In a country where instant gratification is such a high demand, 
>why has the national pass time of other countries--the smoking of
>opium--not
>become popular here?

Because it has to compete with lots of better and/or cheaper
other drugs.

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: Drugs + +
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:24:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec09.142410.27690@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.213911.3454@Cadence.COM> phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
>>
>>Please note that "mother's little helper" is NOT Valium -- it is speed
>>(amphetamines).  For the obvious reasons.
>
>    Although there's probably no way to "prove" who's right on this one, I
>always assumed that "mother's little helper" was Valium.  The song

You assumed wrong, or I'm full of shit.

Could be either, I suppose.

>describes the harried housewife needing something to get her throught the
>day - I guess that could be either speed or tranquilizers.  

Could be either, but at the time of "Mother's Little Helper", it was speed.

>    I don't know where your statistic about speed being the most abused
>drug in the mid-60's comes from.  At that time, Valium was the
>most-prescribed drug (i.e., no. 1, of all drugs).  Also, the song describes
>a "little yellow pill" which is the color of 5mg Valium, while most
>amphetamines, I think, were white.

The two most popular speed colors being prescribed were black capsules
(known on the street as "black beauties") and yellow capsules (don't know if
there was a common street name), if my memory servers me correctly.  There
were also the well known "white crosses" of trucker fame, but I don't beleive
these were normally being prescribed for weight reduction (at least, not
according to my memory).

Note that the most common "yellows" in the mid-sixties to early seventies were
pentobarbitol (also called "yellow jackets").

I didn't think the benzodiazapams (of which Valium is one) became popular
until the mid-seventies -- of course, again, I still could be full of shit.
Note that everything I'm saying is from my admittedly faulty memory, but it's
what I thought was true.

Does anyone know if the writer of the song ever specified which drug was being
talked about?

>    Any other opinions?


-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

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have been designed by committees and built as part of multipart projects,
those software systems that have excited passionate fans are those that are
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with Cobol, PL/I, Algol, MVS/370, and MS-DOS.
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 08:40:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.182748.22683@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg) writes:
>In article <1993Jan2.065923.8293@cbnewse.cb.att.com> doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey) writes:
>>Yup, I remember the stuff from around '75-'77.  Pronounced 'tic'.  We knew
>>it was PCP.  Looked kind of like a tiny piece of somewhat dried out silly
>>putty.
>
>Oh, yeah.  That's the stuff.

Glad to see the confirmation.  As I read further into the thread, I saw people
talking about a capsule of white powder.  Not the 'THC' I remember.

>Can you believe we* did that? .. It felt like I was living in Jello -- all
>movents were slow and smooth, sounds weak and indistinct.  I had almost
>no tactile feelings.  

Oh, yes!  Gosh!  I'd pretty much forgotten what it was like.  It was a long
time ago, and after all, I was kind of high at the time.  ;-)   Your
description is excellent; good enough to refresh my memory.

I prefer reality these days, but it *was* interesting.

  Thanks awfully,
           Patrick "I don't even like to visit Jello" Hailey
From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: INFO: Coolcard pipe
Date: 20 Dec 92 05:20:50 GMT
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA

In article <1992Dec18.232817.9875@oracle.us.oracle.com> rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
>hoeven@fenk.wau.nl (Joost vd Hoeven) writes:
>
>>I just bought a new pipe...

>>On the back it says : Rauchen gefa^hrdet ihre gesundheit, so it must
>>be manifactured in Germany originaly.
>
>I think that translates into "Smoking makes you [cough and] sneeze."

Heh.  Typical of alt.drugs that someone who doesn't know German
translates the thing, while those who do simply read it.  Hint:
Gesundheit doesn't mean "sneeze" in German!  Do you think that after you
sneeze people say "Sneeze!" in German?  :-)  It means "smoking endangers
your health."  So the big question is: is there a law in Germany that
pipes have to say this on them??  Or is this some kind of bizarre joke?
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:20180 alt.folklore.urban:31993
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:34:56 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host

In article <1h7v1gINN4nm@hpscit.sc.hp.com> dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.052918.21974@galois.mit.edu>, jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
>|> I think we are gradually getting the point: anything, in sufficient
>|> quantities or administered in a sufficiently silly manner, can be
>|> lethal.  Even neutrinos (hint: supernovae emit lots of neutrinos).  
>
>Uhhhh, I don't think so. Better check your references again about the
>properties of neutrinos.

Stand near a supernova :) 
The neutrinos will kill you before the light gets to kill you...
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Malevolessence)
Subject: letter unsent acidophiliac heroin diver spewage
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Multinational Corporations, Inc.
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:52:15 PST

In article <petersen-291292010618@elvex33.acns.nwu.edu>, petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jim Petersen) writes:
>> 
>> 	No.  Anything can be.  Potential vs. reality.
> 
> OK, but that's irrelevent to my point.

	NOT!  This is the core of the debate on the addictive nature of this
stuff, and on the psychological crutch system you propose...

> Well, obviously we disagree. I still believe it is a promising
> avenue. And after all, even if it only works for 5% it should certainly
> be looked into further as a solution for those 5%! 

	Nah, it's just a way of heading for another absolute easy answer
scenario that leads everyone away from a real sort of cure.  But an interesting
theory.

K0DE KRUSH3R!!1!
From: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: TEA??
Date: 3 Jan 1993 17:55:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, an2701@anon.penet.fi () says:

>    I was wondering if anyone knows anything about a drug which was 
>sold under the name "TEA"  (sp).  It was kind of a yellowish-white
>flaky substance.  Sometimes I believe it was called "peanut-butter" tea.
>I only tried it a few times, but it was quite strong.  You snorted it.
>This was way back in 1978 or 1979, and I haven't seen it since.
>Any clues??

PCP
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cavasin@convex.com (Vince Cavasin)
Subject: anti-wod song
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:56:57 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

nice to see a band willing to come out of the closet.

from "dirt", alice in chain's latest:

JUNKHEAD

A good night, the best in a long time
a new friend turned me on to an old favorite
nothing better than a dealer who's high
be high, convince them to buy

What's my drug of choice?
well, what have you got?
I don't go broke
and I do it a lot

Seems so sick to the hypocrite norm
running their boring drills
but we are an elite race of our own
the stoners, junkies, and freaks

Are you happy?  I am, man.
content and fully aware
money, status, nothing to me.
'cause your life is empty and bare

You can't understand a user's mind
but try, with your books and degrees
if you let yourself go and opened your mind
I'll bet you'd be doing like me
and it ain't so bad

Say, I do it a lot!
Say, I do it a lot!
Say, I do it a lot!
Say, I do it a lot!




Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: michael@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Rivero)
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Organization: JPL Pasadena CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:01:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.155241.10878@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:
>In article <1i2mq2INN523@mirror.digex.com> curt@access.digex.com (curt williams) writes:
>>
>>Laughing gas has made trips to the dentist fun.
>>
>>Is it a controlled substance?
>
>    No.
>-- 

  In order to protect the Ozone layer, Reddi-Whip now uses Nitrous Oxide
as the propellent in their whipped cream. 


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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (the cultural elite)
Subject: K FAQ
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 19:19:41 GMT


Is there now, or is anyone working on, a Ketamine FAQ?

Just wondering...

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: an3933@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Acid in Holland
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.drugs
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 12:44:42 GMT

Someone wrote how acid is nowadays 20-100 ug per hit. In Holland it's 
usually stronger. Here are some estimates of fairly fresh acid:

Brand      Strength    Comment
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From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:36:10 GMT

In article <Bz93AM.G8z@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> (null pointer)@rock-opera.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
>	a) can LSD be mixed WITH DMSO?

Yes.

>	b) would there be anyone on the street or at a dead show or
>rainbow gathering or whatever diong this?

Possibly, but they would quickly be ostracized once discovered.

>	c) if so, wouldn't that be LSD taken though the skin?

Yep -- "if so".  It just ain't so very often, because dosing someone without
their permission or knowledge is considered to be very despicable behavior,
and why complicate the chemical composition of the carrier when simple blotter
paper that is chewed and swallowed is quite good enough?

>	a) can strychnine be affixed to blotter paper, even if some other
>method to attach it, such as hairspray, is used?

Yes, but not in sufficient amounts to have any significant action.

And I would think people would notice the flavor of hairspray on the blotter
paper.  YECHH!

>	b) are there not a lot of ULs about strychnine NOT ONLY being mixed
>in with acid, but affecting the way the trip goes?

Yes, there are lots of Urban Legends about many things.  But Urban Legends
are fiction, don't you know.  There are many more stories about Santa Claus
and the Easter Bunny, but that doesn't mean they exist outside of fiction
(whoops -- I'm sorry, I didn't know you hadn't been told yet B^).

>	c) are there not makers or distributers who just MIGHT affix strychnine
>to blotter along with acid JUST BECAUSE of believing that somehow this would
>make the trip from THEIR ACID more "individual"?

Not very damn likely.

>	Could there then be NOT ONLY street "acid" that goes through the skin,
>BUT ALSO containing strychnine, or even BOTH?

There could be, but as it is extremely unlikely I doubt you could find anyone
doing this.

>	Is it possible, thus, for UL's, or BULLSHIT or whatever, to AFFECT the
>actuality of the current situation?

Nope.  Just as it is unlikely for the truth to affect ULs, or BULLSHIT, or
whatever, as has been amply demonstrated both on the net and in the outside
"real" world (a/k/a "The Big Room").

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

Nothing astonishes men so much as common sense and plain dealing.