HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aar_osman@gsbacd.uchicago.edu
Subject: Offshore Data Entry
Organization: 
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:01:08 GMT

Hi,
	 A friend wanted to know how to go about marketing an offshore data
entry company.  I will be interested in learning anything about the 
following:

	a) Are there any trade mags on this?
	b) Who are the major customers?
	c) Can anyone think of untapped markets in this area?
	d) What problems do people face in using this service?

	Any comment or info will be appreciated.  Also, I would appreciate
direct replies because I am not able to log into netnews on a regular
basis.

	Thanks a bunch!

/Osman


Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: ogden_jon@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: MLMs=Entreprenuers?
Organization: CSG Group
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:52:34 GMT


>>Fraud??  I think not!  I was just at my Free Enterprise celebration and got
to
>>hear such people as GENERAL NORMAN SCHWARZKOPF, MARY LOU RETTON, DAVE THOMAS
>>(founder of Wendy's) - just to name a few.  Do you think that these people
who
>>all said that this is a great opportunity would come and speak at something 
>>fraudulent???
>
>Putting the MLM issue aside:
>
>I believe that they would speak at ANYTHING and for ANYONE who paid them their
>fees.
>
>Aside from Dave Thoma, what have the other 2 got to do with entrepreneurship?
>
I don't think that Schwarzkopf would speak at ANYTHING!  I am positive he would
not speak for the American Communist Party or Greenpeace!...I don't believe 
that they would speak at ANYTHING!

As far as why they spoke, they are examples of people who have succeeded in
life people who are winners, and have beat tremendous odds personally.
Take Mary Lou for example:  Six weeks before the Olympics she had to have
emergency knee surgery.  The doctors said that there would be no way she
could compete in 84.  Yet she had a DREAM and she did compete and did win.
How many people would have just given up and thrown in the towel?  

One becomes like those they associate with or listen to.  I want to be
a winner like these people.  Success principles are success principles
in all areas of life, not just business ownership.

Jon


Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: david7@garfield.cs.mun.ca (David Arenillas)
Subject: MLM information / comparison request
Organization: CS Dept, Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:12:58 GMT



I, for one, have read with great interest the discussion on MLM.
By the way I don't seem to get alt.business.multi-level.
Is this an actual group, a proposed group, or what?   Anyway,
for that reason, please don't flame me for posting to misc.entrepreneurs.

I had never heard of MLM until ealier this year.  The only MLM I am familier
with now is Amway.  What I would like to know is how other MLM stack up
against Amway and against each other.  Since everyone has a very strong
opinion on this subject, I would like to obtain FACTUAL information on
the various MLMs and compare them myself.  If anyone could point me in the
direction of factual, objective (if it exists) information, I would greatly
appreciate it.  This may include magazine articles, books etc.  Also, anyone
involved in any MLM feel free to EMAIL me information.  I am not necessarily
going to join, but I am interested in finding out more.  The type of
information I am interested in is:

     - What type of products/services does the MLM market
     - How do the various commission levels/bonuses work
       (i.e. "the plan")
     - What is the approximate start up cost
     - What type of support materials are offered, if any
     - Is it available in Canada
     - Background on company.  Years in business, sales, profit etc.

Again I am looking for factual information, not hype.  Anti-MLM people
need not respond, although if you have legitimate negative information
(i.e. So and so company was fined $ for engaging in illegal activities etc.)
that is OK.  Just don't reply with general "it's a scam, it's unethical" type
remarks.  Also, I have already seen the Amway plan several times, been to a 
couple of seminars and read some material on it so I don't really need to
find out anything more about Amway.

Thanks in advance to anyone who responds with relavant info.

You may EMAIL me at:

david7@garfield.cs.mun.ca
From: dlhpfm.uucp!dlh@abvax.icd.ab.com (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: Amway vs Primerica vs Whatever vs Widgets Inc
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 22:55:14 EDT
Organization: dlh Performance Marketing

cdb@waikato.ac.nz (Craig D. Beere) writes:

> > Can we move this to alt.business.multi-level?!
> 
> There is a bit of argument about this...[understatement]
> 
> I feel that MLMs are just as entreprenurial as other business ideas.  I advis
> people to read the description of misc.entrepreneurs if they feel MLMs are no
> appropriate here.  I feel that MLM should maybe be a subset of
> entrepreneurship.  Maybe we should have misc.entrepreneur.multi-level?

Jumping in a week later without reading the rest of the thread first:

The most virulent objections to mlm posted in misc.entrepreneurs
recently were posted by the author of the charter of
misc.entrepreneurs.  So there is definitely a difference of opinion on
whether discussion of mlm is appropriate in misc.entrepreneurs.

I don't think we are going to get rid of discussion of mlm in
misc.entrepreneurs, regardless of the merits of the attempt to do so. 
Can we keep it in misc.entrepreneurs and not cross-posted to any other
group?

-------------------- change of subject --------------------------

I think it would be beneficial to separate discussions of mlm in an
attempt to make it possible for them to be less noisy.  I conducted the
failing vote for misc.business.multi-level or some such name a year
ago.  The vote failed for lack of interest - there was less than a
hundred yes votes.

I proposed a week or two ago to Jon Noring that we try again, this time
sticking to a name that starts misc.entrepreneurs.<whatever> so the new
group will propagate right beside this one and be right beside it in
alphabetical lists of the available groups.

Are there two hundred people reading misc.entrepreneurs who would vote
yes to create misc.entrepreneurs.mlm as a home for discussions of mlm?

dan  of dlh Performance Marketing  POBox 1419  Mentor Ohio 44061
       NCoast.org!dlhpfm!dlh or ab.com!dlhpfm.uucp!dlh   (216)974-9637
"Even a child is known by his doings, 
 whether his work be pure and whether it be right." Proverbs 20:11
From: ivory@e7sa.epi.syr.ge.com (John Ivory)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: Should I start doing monthely postings
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:25:33 GMT
Reply-To: ivory@e7sa.epi.syr.ge.com
Organization: Tower Concepts

> a FAQ ... should I start this again[?]

Yes, please.  I'd be happy to help if you need.
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: rita@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rita Chang)
Subject: Freelancers
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:45:26 GMT



I was sondering if there were any freelance graphic artists or desktop
publishers out there willing to share their stories with me.  I want to
know how you started and how did you acquire a clientelle base.  Thanks
alot.
 
Rita
From: aryeh@cash.ucsc.edu (Aryeh Friedman)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: MLMs=Entreprenuers?
Date: 11 Sep 1992 00:20:51 GMT
Organization: Marsnet
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Sep10.214955.3904@spdc.ti.com> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
>Aryeh,
>    You are the biggest horse's ass I have ever had the distinct displeasure to
>be even remotely :-) acquainted with.  I do not understand how any person with 

	I was starting to wonder if I was being bad enough ;-)

>such a negative and closed mind could ever possibly think that he/she could
>ever succeed in the business world.  If the attitude you portray here comes

	There is a differance between openmindness and stupidy I happen to
know the diff I wonder if MLM'ers do.  The diff is an open mind allows you
to listen to points of views diff then your own.  Stupidy is you believe 
anything because a "expert" said it.  I have an open mind but I am not stupid.
Also being from california I have had to have an open mind to survive also
my mind is open enough that I see a good idea when I see it but I verify that
idea so I am not stupid and you MLM'ers have not offered any verifcation of your
claims so I have a hard time trusting you when I have verified the opposite of
them many times.

>across in your business and personal dealings as it does on the net I am
>suprised that you have any friends at all, much less business contacts. It

Then why did 15 people volunteer to help me get my company started they put
in 8 hour days plaus their normal work.

>appears to me that the only real business you are in is harrassing legitimate
>business people. I'm sure if it wasn't the MLM folks, you'd find some other

Then what do you call writing business plans and finding funding sources for
my company then setting it up and putting 16 hour days to make slightly less
then $0 a week.  If my projections are right that will go up to near $250 a
week with in 6 months so I can focus or growth not survial.

>group that you feel you are so much more superior than.  But frankly, I would
>think a god such as yourself would not have the time to bother with such petty
>goings on.

	Wrong about the nature of my attacks I am usually very easy going 
except with neonazis.   The reason why I am so willing to do battle with you
folks is that your selling a pack of lies peroid.
From: drw@euclid.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: Possible Products
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:36:51 GMT
Organization: MIT Dept. of Tetrapilotomy, Cambridge, MA, USA

In article <1992Aug27.164849.27875@samba.oit.unc.edu> Vinodh.Das@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Vinodh Das) writes:
   A friend of mine recently received government funding
   in India for an electronics factory.  We're very 
   excited, but we have yet to decide on a product.

To forbid is the highest recommendation -- the quickest approach is to
find something with a high import tariff that nonetheless sells well,
that you can make and sell for less (because you don't have to import
it).  Otherwise, your best source of ideas is probably strolling
through the middle-class shopping districts of Indian cities.  People
on Usenet are probably not exactly in tune with the realities of the
mass markets of India...

Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu
--
If liberals interpreted the 2nd Amendment the same way they interpret the
rest of the Constitution, gun ownership would be mandatory.
From: gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM (Gess Shankar)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: How to get dealership for books
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:03:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: knex.8VZZqB2w165w
Organization: Knowledge Exchange, GA, US of A

I would like to offer a selected list of books (mostly computer
programming type books, but a narrow selection) in a catalog I am putting
together.

Question I have for the group is:

How does one go about finding out who to go to, to get dealer pricing
for small lots (Say 10 copies at a time)? Are there wholesalers/jobbers
catering to the small dealer market?

GeSS
--
Gess Shankar      |<><>|Internet: gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM                |<><>|
Knowledge Exchange|<><>|{rutgers,ogicse,gatech}!emory!gwinnett!knex!gess|<><>|
                                             
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: dao@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Dan Dao)
Subject: Shrink wrap
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:10:03 GMT
Reply-To: dao@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

-- 
I'm interested in purchasing a machine that does 'shrink wrap' packaging.
Where can I find it?
How much would it cost?
Thanks
---
Dan Dao dao@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (507)253-8023
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: jelleb@cs.umr.edu 
Subject: Magazine Addresses List
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:07:15 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University


Would anyone happen to have a list of addresses for various magazines for  
marketing mail order products?  Or a resource that would have a listing?

Thanks in ADVANCE!

Jeff...jelleb@cs.umr.edu
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: jelleb@cs.umr.edu 
Subject: What Is The Best Way To Talk To Big Buying Exec?
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:35:33 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University

I was just wondering what is the best way to get a big buying executive to  
see your product(s) and possibly buy it(them) to market through their  
chain stores?
I know that trade shows are a good way, and sometimes the only way for  
some companies, And knowing the fact that it is "who you know"; what would  
be the best strategy not considering those two choices?

thanks

Jeff
From: aryeh@cash.ucsc.edu (Aryeh Friedman)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: Amway vs Primerica vs Whatever vs Widgets Inc
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:51:06 GMT
Organization: Marsnet
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Sep9.211501.1@economics.adelaide.edu.au> ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au writes:
>the legal system that it is not.  Or do you ignore court rulings that you
>dislike/don't agree with you?

I respect the courts but they have been known to be wrong befor, remember the
Dredd Scott case.
From: ogden_jon@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: MLMs=Entreprenuers?
Organization: CSG Group
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:55:48 GMT


>>I feel that MLMs are just as entreprenurial as other business ideas.  I
advise
>>people to read the description of misc.entrepreneurs if they feel MLMs are
not
>>appropriate here.  I feel that MLM should maybe be a subset of
>>entrepreneurship.  Maybe we should have misc.entrepreneur.multi-level?
>
>For the thousandth time MLM!=Entrepreneur stop tring to make it sound so.  For
>this reason I vote no for this idea.  Also by doing this we give MLMers 
>more reconition then the deserv personally I think that if MLM was really
>reconized as a fraud you all whould be in jail.
>

MLMs ARE filled with entreprenuers.  If not then why does Success magazine call

the 90's the "'Flee Decade' when thousands of people will flee corporate
America for MLM!"  Why do professors at major universities call it the
opportunity
of the century??

Fraud??  I think not!  I was just at my Free Enterprise celebration and got to
hear such people as GENERAL NORMAN SCHWARZKOPF, MARY LOU RETTON, DAVE THOMAS
(founder of Wendy's) - just to name a few.  Do you think that these people who
all said that this is a great opportunity would come and speak at something 
fraudulent???

Some of you guys are so narrow minded you can see through a key-hole with both
eyes!!  Or is it that you just have STATUS = Know it all, Show it all, Owe it
all.

IMHO, I was once terribly against MLM's.  Thought they took advantage of
people, etc.
But I was willing to take a look, study, examine, and be open minded.  Now I
feel MLM
is the best thing since sliced bread!  My future is definitely in it!  Someday
when I am
sitting on the beach relaxing, I'll remember you still at your job!!

In MLM and proud of it!

Jon
From: fritz@hpfcbig.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz (tmp))
Subject: Re: MLMs=Entreprenuers?
Reply-To: Gary Fritz <fritz@hpfcbig.sde.hp.com>
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:17:31 GMT

Mike Sellers, in yet another of his lucid and admirable postings, writes:

> I respect those MLM folks who, after hearing my plans for my life, genially
> drop the subject of their UNBELIEVALBE OPPORTUNITY.  It is those to whom
> I am immediately a "loser" for whom I lose my respect.  

I agree completely.  To my knowledge we have not "lost any friends" in the
year we have been working with our MLM company.  If someone is interested,
Great!  We'll knock ourselves out to help them succeed.  If not, that's OK too.
We still love them.  And we QUIT BUGGING THEM, so they still love us too.

In fact a dear friend who enrolled under us 11 months ago, and never did
anything, just last week decided to start working the program because 
1) we never pressured her, 2) she saw we hadn't lost friends by working
in our program, and 3) she finally decided that if WE had as much faith
in her as we kept showing, then she damn well ought to have some faith
in HERSELF as well.  That made us feel pretty good.


serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
: Aryeh,
:   You are the biggest horse's ass I have ever had the distinct displeasure to
: be even remotely :-) acquainted with.  ...

Mike, that's not necessary or productive.  I disagree 110% percent with
Aryeh's position and certainly with his style/delivery, but that's no excuse
to drop to his level and start calling him names.  If the rest of us keep
the discussion on a mature and constructive level, maybe we can shame him
into doing the same.

Gary
From: aryeh@cash.ucsc.edu (Aryeh Friedman)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: MLMs=Entreprenuers?
Date: 9 Sep 1992 10:01:57 GMT
Organization: Marsnet
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Sep9.190824.1@economics.adelaide.edu.au> ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au writes:
>OK lets take this paragraph first.  Yes you usually here about the big earners,
>that's only natural.  Whena life agent talks to you does he discuss the funds
>that came in at the bottom? No, he shows what he CAN POSSIBLY achieve.  This is
>the way life is my friend, we all market the best possabilities, MLM or
>otherwise.

	Full discloser is something that normal companies do all the time 
it should be the norm for MLM too.

>OK at least you qualify it with "in my experience", unlike our friend Aryeh
>Friedman who speaks for the whole world without consulting us.  I don't jump

	I thought most people had the common sense to take what I say as me
and me alone saying it, but then again since MLM is a religon.  Any attack
on MLM is a attack by everyone no matter who does it.  Besides when did I get
promoted to the great anti-mlm being from hell ;-)

>OOOHH  goodie, sarcasm.  None of this is flame but I'm sure that you will take
>it as such. Maybe that will just reinforce everyones attitudes about people who
>hate something and refuse to accept that others may find some merit init?

	Your actually making sense for once (god help me!!!!).

>> The last question is this, is MLM a form of entrepreneurship?  Yeah, it 
>> is a special case of entrepreneurship, one that requires little creativity 
>> and no original development of a product or service, but it does involve
>> risk.  Okay I'll grant that is is A form of entrepreneurship.  For that
>> reason, there has been a SPECIAL newsgroup created just for it.  So go use it
>> and DON'T crosspost.  Maybe we should rename this group 
>> misc.entrepreneurs.not.mlm
>
>Separate group, good idea.

	You already have your seprate group.

>You seem to think it's so easy, why not go out and makes a few million just to
>prove how easy it really is for us MLMers?

	We do it all the time.
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: duxbury@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Ann Duxbury)
Subject: Give Peace A Chance...
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:19:30 GMT

Hi!

I'm just here to say that the flame fest going on between the pro/anti
MLM forces is not a positive force for this group. It is a debate that
obviously will never end, as everyone seems to have a strong, definite
opinion on the topic. However, most people seem to look to this group
as a forum for constructive advice on ways to access business services
(ie. financing, merchant accounts, copyright, trademarks, patents,
etc.) or getting their product/service to market (marketing).

Please, for the sake of all, let's get back to the positive aspects of
doing business.

For those who strongly believe that MLM's are the greatest way of
doing business...Please post to alt.business.multi-level .

For those who believe that anyone who ever started an MLM should be
thrown in jail forever, the group for you is
alt.business.multi-level.scam.scam.scam .

If you don't have access to the alt.* newsgroups, but have telnet
capability, you can get access by telnetting to youngstown freenet and
opening a free account. The address is yfn.ysu.edu .

I'm no net cop. I don't claim to speak for anyone but myself. I don't
mean to upset anyone. I just want peace.

Bill Currie
-duxbury@sfu.ca
From: slusk@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: Name/Mailing Lists available
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:14:34 EST
Organization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH

In article <18eefgINNajd@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, aryeh@cash.ucsc.edu (Aryeh
Friedman) writes: 
> 	Who said you can post this trash to the net and exspecially
> m.e!!!!  You have broken at least half a dozen guidlines and restrictions 
> of this group and the net they are:
> 		No advertising allowed
> 		The readers of m.e. want mothing to do with MLM

Is this opinion or formal ruling?  Not that I want to encourage MLM
discussions per se, but I have enjoyed the most recent string about what
constitutes an entrepreneur.  Perhaps I'm the lone example does not fit neatly
under your blanket statement.

> 		Do not cross post to so many groups

It seems that you have cross posted to a few also, Aryeh.

> 		You do not use the nsfnet for commerical use
> 		You do not use educational resources for commerical gain
> 		You do not solict money on the net!!!!
> 		You do not use the net to conduct frauds
> 
> You should be aware I am informing all apporite authorities of this miss use
> of the net!

Have you tried e-mailing this person to express your disgruntlement?  If he is 
like me, he may not be as well versed on net.etiquette as you *apparently* 
are.  If the person does not respond, then please, feel free to call President 
Bush.  Honestly, I'm glad that somebody keeps track of all the rules; it's 
necessary.  But please, give people the benefit of the doubt first.

Steve

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From: pl297270@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Cristina Elkan Shaw)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Information about NEXIA International
Keywords: NEXIA
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:34:16 GMT

Hi there.
I would like to know if somebody in netland knows how to or may point
me in the right direction. 
I need to know how to become a member of Nexia Intl.
Thanks a lot for your help.
It is very important for me.
Please reply via e-mail.

From Monterrey, MEXICO:
Cristina Elkan


Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs,misc.consumers,misc.legal,va.general
From: rayc@genesis.Eng.Sun.COM (Ray Chan)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: how to evalute a small business
Date: 10 Sep 1992 01:16:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: genesis

A friend and I are looking to buy a patio furniture store. How do I estimate
the value of the business and inventory ? Can someone recommend a good book
about "buying and running a small business" ? THanks.


Ray.



Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: slk1@rigel.uucp (26121-kranyec)
Subject: BAR CODE INFO
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 12:08:00 GMT

Several weeks ago someone posted info about where to get a BAR CODE number.
I didn't save the info and now I need it.  Could someone please re-post this 
info or e-mail me.

Thanks
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs