HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: We should use Chinese
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:39:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.120936.28657@csie.nctu.edu.tw> chshan@csie.nctu.edu.tw (S. Shann(3f)) writes:
>Dear Netter:
>?K7R*::t8t%k&q-L: 
>
>  I think we Chinese should post articles in Cinese.
>How about you?
>  'Z;{,0'Z-L$$0j$H@38S%N$$$e5o$e39. 'A;{,0)O?
>
>                              Steven Shann 3f+X5X $W


That is fine, assuming you want to make the article unreadable to a lot of
netters.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ylin@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Yu-Sen Lin)
Subject: Re: The outcome of the election 1992 in Taiwan
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:23:34 GMT

In article <Dec.19.11.18.02.1992.11824@gandalf.rutgers.edu> hongyu@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Henry S.) writes:
>News from Taiwan said that in the law-maker election 1992, DPP get 36% of voting, which is higher than before. Shih, Ming-Der get the highest poll in Tainan City. Except for Taipei, most DPP candidate got the highest poll in each area.
> 


Hi.
  Can anybody who live in Taiwan give us more detail news ?

Yu-Sen Lin
Arizona State University

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu)
Subject:  outline of a fantacy novel (Re: DATA: largest world economies)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:46:58 GMT

Time 2050.

After 1.5 year of bloody conflict, in the first direct election of Taiwan
supervised under UN, the Liberal Democratic Prograssive Party (LDPP) beat  
down KMT, and the Reunion Party (Chinese running dog, CRD).

The media of whole world transmit the independent celebration, the new 
President Chen Doctor declares foundation of ROT in TaiZhong (Taibai 
becomes the ruins because of the battles). National day is set up to
be Dec. 25. Christianty is advocated to be national religion.

President Chen failed to get support in the Congress for the Bill of
Taking over Private Arms. The physical battles in Congress between
LDPP and KMT becomes more serios, and it hurts the reputation of the
new country.

CRD goes into undergroud, declaring armed struggle. This is a big headache
of President Chen.

Under the press of president of USA, Marian George, the General Secretary
of CCP, Jiang Xiaoming makes a promiss to give diplomatic recognition
to ROT, but raises a demand compensation of $300 billion for the China
property transfered from China mainland to Taiwan 100 years ago by KMT.
This unacceptable demand is supported by Vatican and Hague World Court.

The young country has many problems, but all problems will be settled
by time. A lovely country are building on the ruins. The future is bright.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: rlm2s@helena.stat.uga.edu (cosmic waves)
Subject: test
Summary: none
Keywords: ooops
Organization: UGA Statistics Department
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:53:36 GMT

test

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: Eugene.Liu@launchpad.unc.edu (Eugene Liu)
Subject: What -ese are you?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:34:35 GMT

There has been quite a lot of discussion, flaming, arguing, etc. of "Is
Taiwanese Chinese" and stuff like that... Well, does it really matter? Being
whatever-ese is all in the state of mind. You can be black, white, blue, red,
green, rainbow-color'd, and say that you're Chinese, Taiwanese, American,
Japnese, Austrian, or even alien. If some of you would like to discuss this
based on history records and science, instead of just there arguing to each
other of what you are oh-so-sure of. I'd love to know some facts of the
earliest settlements into Taiwan from China mainland, and how they had grown
and presented to the world now as the society of Taiwan. :)

You have the right to flame me; anything you type can be used against you in
newsgroup(s); and sorry, we don't have Internet lawyers... :b

:E. Liu
--
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     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:46:22 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <BzFy78.Cyq@ecf.toronto.edu> huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.040343.15498@u.washington.edu> seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec16.211706.17115@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>>>In article <Bz0s0s.Mq4@ecf.toronto.edu> huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:
>>>>>    You are the ones who are homeless. Been conquered and completely
>>>>>enslaved by the Japanese to the point of forgetting your real name,
>>>>
>>>>     Taiwan was surrendered to the Japanese in 1894.  We were not conquered.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, even more disgusting, Chinese lost to Japanese and gave up Taiwan.
>>>I'm glad Taiwanese have a chance to experience another culture which is
>>>much better than the Chinese culture.
>>>
>>>Yi-Chieh
>>
>>
>>	some of my relatives (elder) still speak japanese in taiwan.
>>	they had japanese education in the early years because taiwan
>>	was occupied by japan.
>
>     At least the Japanese contributed something to Taiwan while they were 
>there, that was by making education popular.

	Yeah!  Right!  Can you explain why people in my family had little
or no eduacation at the Japanese colonial era?  

	My family was robbed and pilliage by the Japanese and we did not
stand up again until Taiwan was liberated.  Education!?

	Japanese education!?  All that is, is slave training!

>


>
>>	i think this is rather an ADVANTAGE to those taiwanese because
>>	simply because the more languages you know, the more benefit
>>	you get from it.
>>
>     Not only that, we can also deal with Japanese better when trading because
>we understand the Japanese and their ways.  That is one of Taiwan's major 
>advantages over other nations when trading with Japan.
>
> 

	Some of them still see Taiwan as a colony and see Taiwanese people
as slaves.  Is there trading going on?  Isn't that another form of colonial
control and enslavement!?
 
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: An article about Taiwanese Election (LA Times)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:57:07 GMT

In article <8957@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> chang@crowe.seas.ucla.edu (Fengteng Chang) writes:
>
>The following is an article from Los Angeles Times,
>
>Fengteng
>**********************************************************************
This is biased report, giving DDP disproptional coverage and the tone
is in favor of DDP too, reflect U.S.'s hiden ambition to divid China.
>	
Taiwan problem is not just between mainland and Taiwan. U.S. should be taken
into consideration. Unless U.S. has much more to lose, it will obstruct
Unificatoin process. China should advance in World arena, and hold more
U.S.'s interests on stake as leverage to prevent U.S. from dividing China.
>


Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16254 soc.culture.china:32930
From: dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: outline of a fantacy novel (Re: DATA: largest world economies)
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:58:14 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Dec16.151515.1823@wam.umd.edu> jsxie@wam.umd.edu (A Chinese) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.014658.15884@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu) writes:
>>Time 2050.
>>
>>After 1.5 year of bloody conflict, in the first direct election of Taiwan
>>supervised under UN, the Liberal Democratic Prograssive Party (LDPP) beat  
>>down KMT, and the Reunion Party (Chinese running dog, CRD).
>>
>>The media of whole world transmit the independent celebration, the new 
>>President Chen Doctor declares foundation of ROT in TaiZhong (Taibai 
>>becomes the ruins because of the battles). National day is set up to
>>be Dec. 25. Christianty is advocated to be national religion.
>>
>>President Chen failed to get support in the Congress for the Bill of
>>Taking over Private Arms. The physical battles in Congress between
>>LDPP and KMT becomes more serios, and it hurts the reputation of the
>>new country.
>>
>>CRD goes into undergroud, declaring armed struggle. This is a big headache
>>of President Chen.
>>
>>Under the press of president of USA, Marian George, the General Secretary
>>of CCP, Jiang Xiaoming makes a promiss to give diplomatic recognition
>>to ROT, but raises a demand compensation of $300 billion for the China
>>property transfered from China mainland to Taiwan 100 years ago by KMT.
>>This unacceptable demand is supported by Vatican and Hague World Court.
>>
>>The young country has many problems, but all problems will be settled
>>by time. A lovely country are building on the ruins. The future is bright.
>
>Call 1-900-PSYCHIC, if it won't help, make an appointment with a phychologist.
>Be hurry, distorted illusion indicates early stage of total insanity.
>

Wow! Lack sense of humor, that will leads you break down.
                                          ---
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Great Era)
Subject: Congratulation DPP !
Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:42:39 GMT


Congratulation Democratic Progressive Party!

Now, I see the future in Taiwan.

Great Era.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: chshan@csie.nctu.edu.tw (S. Shann())
Subject: STOP
Organization: Computer Science & Information Engin., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:09:37 GMT

  It's meaningless to keep on discuessing/arguing on which one of the
CCP and KMP is better.

  Futher is the most important thing. We should focus on whether the 
governments improve and how much they improve and ,if possible, HOW
they improve.

  Merry X'mas & Happy New Year !
                                                       Shann....

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:44:45 GMT

In article <khT=9Q#@engin.umich.edu> chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
>	Huh????????????????????????????????????????????
>
>	We know that the Qing dynasty was corrupt and that is why Taiwan
>was given away to Japan.  Although, some people did not regard the Qing
>dynasty as Chinese, so is it correct to say that it was the Mongolians
>who ruled Taiwan?  Weird...  Oh sorry not Mongolian, but Manchurian.
>Of course we know the Manchurians have pretty much been assimulated.
>
The certain fact is that Manchurians are not Han people.  The question
is: if Manchurian are not Chinese, what right does the Chinese republic
have to inherit the territory of non-Chinese (say Manchuria and Tibet)
conquored by the Manchurian Empire?  

>	Second pt.  Japanese culture???  Or Japanese tyrannical rule???
>Friend, I do not consider that period of time experiencing Japanese culture
>like going to Japan for a trip, but Tyrannical colonial rule that pretty
>much destroyed my family.  Of course, unless, you are one of those traitors
>to the Taiwanese people who advocated assimulation of the Taiwanese people
>to Japan.  
>
The certain fact is that Japanese culture has become part of Taiwan's
experience.  The question is: a sizable of Taiwanese Han people are
sinicized aborigines and most people have mixed heritage altought they
do not know about their missing family trees, should Taiwanese repell
their Fujian heritage?

>	Japanese culture?  I had always thought that Japanese culture 
>origininated from Tang China.  So wasn't it another form of "Chinese
>Supression?" if you speak of culture?  
>
The certain fact is that Japan has perserved some Chinese culture they
adopted in the past.  China might have lost some of these segments of
its past.  The question is: since must traditional Chinese music are
originated from "Hu (foreign normads)" musics, are traditional Chinese
music barbarian music?

>	Tell you what, it is alot better for me as a native Taiwanese and
>a immigrant from China over three hundred years ago to be Chinese than to
>be a Japanese.  
>
The certain fact is that your personal judgement is not my business.
The question is: will people re-think about their view of the universe
from time to time?

>	I thing we must be fair in using the word "Chinese", this means
>a people who have anchored one of the worlds greatest cultures and not
>the Communists that you seem to imply.  
>
All cultures are great and Chinese, as a group of nations, has anchored
hundreds, if not thousands great cultures.  The force that trying to
forge one way of life and one way of thinking is not cultural but
political.  And that political force can be either fascist nationalist
or communist nationalist.

>- C. H. Yang
>
>
>

William Huang
From: ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re:    HATE EACH OTHER ? TIME FOR TIAWAN INDEPENDENCE
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:50:19 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Dec17.192141.11589@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
 
> To advocate for the *right* to independence is not the same as advocating
> independence.  Just like to advocate for the *right* to abortion is not the
> same as advocating abortion.

	** No, it is the same thing. 

	   Tell me how could it be different?
From: bjones@convex.com (Brad Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: The name? (Was Re: [News] Chinese Students Rank....)
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:43:14 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

npchen@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nien-Po Chen) writes:


>In article <Bz9z5F.Jt5@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>3. Chinese Students Rank Number 1 in Total in the U.S. .................. 48
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Source: The Chronicle of Higher Education, 11/25/92
>>
>>According to The Chronicle of Higher Education dated November 25th, Chinese
>>students rank number one in the US with a total of 42,940 in the academic
>>year of 92-93. The top ten  countries of foreign students are as follows:
>>
>>   1.    China    42,940          6.   Canada     19,190
>>   2.    Japan    40,700          7.   Hong Kong  13,190
>>   3.    Taiwan   35,550          8.   Malaysia   12,650
>>   4.    India    32,530          9.   Indonesia  10,250
>>   5.    S. Korea 25,720         10.   Pakistan    8,120
>>
>Since a lot of arguments on the net concerning the name of Taiwan, 
>let's do a little experiment:

>1. What's your first impression of this subject line
>   ' [News] Chinese Students Rank....'?  
>   In your fisrt impression, are Taiwanese students included here?

My "first impression" is confusion.  So long as there are "2 Chinas" (in
my belief), the use of the word "China" alone is confusing (which one?).
Once I finally encounter "Taiwan", I understand, but that doesn't mean
I agree with the presentation of the data.


>2. After you continue to read that post, you see the third item is about
>   Taiwan.  What name do you prefer here?  (ROC; R.O. China; Taiwan,ROC;
>   Taiwan; Chinese,Taipei; or doesn't matter as long as you know what it is.)


I think it should have been:

   1.    China (PRC) 42,940          6.   Canada     19,190
   2.    Japan       40,700          7.   Hong Kong  13,190
   3.    China (ROC) 35,550          8.   Malaysia   12,650

Incidentally, I think the term "China, Taipei" is offensive and demeaning.
The term "Taiwan, ROC" is okay if we can also use, for example, "Hunan, PRC".


>3. Do you agree with this kind of category?  Do you think Taiwan's statistic
>   number should be inlucded into the category 'China'?

To both questions, my answer is "no".  


>The answers to the questions can reflect your opinions about these
>'hot issues':
>the name of Taiwan; the unification of China; the independence of Taiwan; etc.

Okay, where do I stand? :-)


>Think your first-pop-up-mind answers.  Good Luck!

I did and it was interesting.

Brad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.india
From: ccd@duann.b17d.infonode (David Duann)
Subject: Test
Keywords: n/a
Reply-To: duann@infonode.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville Al.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:58:14 GMT

This is a test.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: heng@blumen (Heng-Yi Lin)
Subject: Re: remarks of diff. between taiwanese and mainlander
Organization: NCTU doesn't know I exist
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:22:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.082305.22916@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang) writes:

>u have to give us ur definition of taiwanese and mainlander, and u can't get 
>rid of the responsibility of ur impolite statements by just saying u were 
>joking.

OK, so the person said that as a joke.  Why can't people take it as
such.  It was also stated that that it was an impression.  Why were
logics and scientific methods of sampling even brought up?

It is my impression (and this one is not intended as a joke) that the
better educated 'Taiwanese' in general are less open-minded.  At least
I have seen three examples in the past four minutes.  Lots of years
under Old Chiang's grace and Confuician social order are probably what
made people so unable to feel freer.

Less care.  Care what matters.

-- Heng, heng@blumen.cis.nctu.edu.tw

-- 
   _____________________________________________
   Heng-Yi Lin
   Internet: heng@blumen.cis.nctu.edu.tw
   Phone: (886) 4 528 6086   Fax: (886) 4 527 5264
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Internet access in Taiwan
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 06:34:23 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7532D64CC01C4FC@sprl-mac2016.sprl.umich.edu>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 15 Dec 92 12:36:20 GMT

Hello.  Is anybody here actually in Taiwan?  If so, please contact me by e-mail.
 My friend is currently going to school in Taipei and she has no idea about
 how to get internet access (e-mail, talk, etc) there.  I just need somebody
 to tell me (so that I can tell her) how she can go about getting it. Any help with respect
 to this certainly will be appreciated.

======================================================================
|Michael F. Kamprath                   | The University of Michigan  |
|  kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu |      Aerospace Engineering  |
|  kamprath@engin.umich.edu            |      Graduate Student       |
======================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hueymin@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (lai huey-min)
Subject: election news
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 08:01:04 GMT

Hi,
   I just called home (Taiwan) and got some new news about the results of
   Election. The Former Financial Minister, Wang Jen-Shen, got the highest
   poll in Taipei. Also Chao Shao-Kon got high poll. Kuan Chung and Wong
   Da-Min were also elected.The former chairman of DDP, Hwang Shin-Kai,
   failed in Hualien.
   
   From: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
   Time: Dec. 20, 1992 2:00 AM
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16144 soc.culture.china:32568
From: ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Watching CCTV in Taiwan
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:25:31 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Dec10.211621.20358@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, xiaohan@euler.Berkeley.EDU (Xiaohan Yun) writes:

>         and also maybe you should hold your pants tight as well as
>         your wallet, just in case somebody reslly gets offended and
>         want hung your pants on a tree with funny paintings, i mean
>         after they take your money away.

	** What does this mean? Why does anyone want my pant?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16372 soc.culture.china:33231
From: haiying@cs.mcgill.ca (Haiying ZHANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The name? (Was Re: [News] Chinese Students Rank....)
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:47:03 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada


>Division is a solution. Break up China and let each state (probably
>China's province) worries about where it's going and how to get there.
>After that, it then makes much more sense to gather all interested
>state together to talk about the pros and cons of a unified country or
>state union or whatever preferred. I would say that's the best gift
>China (or Chinese culture if you will) can give to it's great people.

   I have only one word for you: You are dreaming. Look what is/has
happening/ed in Canada on the Quebec issue. A popular vote is not
necessarily way, or a way at all, to go in trying to settle an issue as
complex as independency or territorial dispute. More voilent example can
be found in the former Yugoslavia. Also look at Somalia for the chaos
that might occur if you simply give up government. Democracy is fragile.
It needs constant nurturing. Convertion from the old totalitarian rule
to a democratic system is even more complex. It could easily been
highjacked by yet another generation of bureaucrats thirst and thrust
for power. Yeltsin comes in handy under this category.


				Haiying
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: difference between mainlander and taiwanese
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:18:05 GMT

In article <00964CBF.1C96AE60@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>To whom it may concern.  My only impression is that taiwanese guys are weaker
>than mainlander, taiwanese girls are less prettier than mainlander.  
>W. Huang

Really interesting remarks indeed. Could you tell me a little bit about
the sampling space based on which you draw your conclusion?

If you come from Mainland China, then perhaps most Taiwanese people you meet
are graduate school students who have spent most of their time burying their
heads in piles of books. How can you expect them to be stronger or prettier
than the average Mainlanders you know?

I come from Taiwan, and have met a lot of strong or beautiful people in
Taiwan. In my impression, most Mainlanders I have met just don't give me
the impression that they are any better than us. In addition, some
Mainlanders look unhappy on their faces as if the burden of life is too
hard on them. And this makes me unable to appreciate their strength or
beauty, if any. (Of course, you are not one of them. :)

Or you base your remarks on those movie/TV stars in HK, Taiwan and China?
How about comparing the looks of political leaders? I guess Lee Deng-Huei
is taller and stronger than Deng Xiao-Ping. Agree?

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16263 soc.culture.china:32967