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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV console due soon
Date: 23 Dec 1992 17:02:22 GMT
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In article <1992Dec23.030237.1048@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>
>Does anyone have the dates handy for the upcoming CES?

   Circa January 6th, 1993. It's really early, eh?

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Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 26 Dec 92 11:39:36 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec23.170834.17755@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel):

> It takes ZERO time to switch from the Windows (or OS/2) GUI screen to 
> a full-screen DOS (or OS/2) session, unless you are running Windows on a 286
> or below.

    This is FALSE. On my '386 at work, it takes approximately a second
    to switch from one "screen" to another, particularly when
    switching from a screen in graphics mode to a screen in text mode.

    An Amiga screen switch is to all intents and purposes
    instantaneous compared to an OS/2 screen switch (never mind that
    you can also scroll Amiga screens around). Window updates on my
    Amiga also "feel" faster than those on the PS/2 at work. Maybe
    PM doesn't use SMART_REFRESH, but it looks really wierd the way it
    will remove the parts of a window over the background, then remove
    the parts of the window that overlapped other windows.

    On a slightly different tack, another "responsiveness" tool I
    haven't been able to find locally for OS/2 is a mouse accelerator
    that will do logarithmic acceleration.

> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:27:43 GMT
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Gregory R Block (bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu) wrote:
:
: >Most of the computer industry believes that Windows is not a worthwhile OS?
: >I wasn't aware of this.
:
: A great deal, lad.  Much of the industry has problems beleiving it's
: an OS at all, remember?
:

That's not what I see.  The only people I've seen claim that Windows is not
an OS are fanatics of one system or another.  Unfortunately, they run into
serious trouble when they try to classify it as something else...

:
: What was that millions of users argument?  Maybe we should all drop
: our Coherent/AmigaOS/OS-9/Plan 9 boxes and just run MS-DOS!  We'll
: stick a program that has user-writable subprograms under it, and we'll
:         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: call it Windows!  NOT.
:

See what I mean?

:
: Windows is, in the end, a program that runs under MS-DOS and allows
: user subprograms to run under it.  As a program, it's a great feat.
: As an OS, it's a kludge, a hack, and rather inefficient in some
: places.
:

I always found it rather well-designed and powerful.  It has complete
device independence for graphics, sound, and printing devices.  How many
kludges and hacks are this flexible?

:
: I'm not going to get into this any further, because I've said more
: than enough on the subject.  Suffice to say that one would call Unix
: and Plan 9 worthwhile because they are.
:

As is Windows.

:
: Agreed.  Windows NT could be one of the OSes of the decade.
: Unfortunately, it's going to miss that mark by twice as much as OS/2
: did.
:

How can you say that without ever seeing the released product?

: Greg
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From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:47:38 GMT

papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:
>In fact, if anyone was borrowed from it was the Mac, that was real
>competition for IBM machines.  Nobody at IBM has ever, or will ever,
>even notice the Amiga exists as far as competition or innovation goes.

Not so! I did a 6 month internship at IBM a few years ago. IBM has their
own propriotary sort of Internet (they are very paranoid about people getting
access to bitnet, internet, ect). IBM maintained, and I believe still maintains,
an Amiga discussion on their network. Yes you heard right, an Amiga discussion
at IBM!!!!

I can't say anything that was actually said on such discussion, but suffice
it to say there was a lot of "why can't we do that?" and "how can they do that?"
on it, particularly from guys who worked on OS/2.

Oh yes, IBM is vey aware of the Amiga, or at least their engineers sure are.


dleland@nmsu.edu
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Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:22:47 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec26.203212.13999@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel):

> :     What worthwhile PC OS has programs with consistent user
> :     interfaces?

> Windows and OS/2.

    Windows isn't a worthwhile PC OS, and OS/2 doesn't have programs
    with a consistent user interface. The only consistent programs
    that I've got at work are the bits that are part of the OS itself.
    The utilities I've been able to find come in all sorts of flavors,
    the main thing the PM programs have in common is that they open
    on the PM screen.

> :     Also, with Snap or PowerSnap, it is easy to cut and paste from one
> :     application to another. God knows how you do it under Windows or

> You use the Clipboard.  I thought the Amiga had one too.  What's with this
> "Snap" stuff?

    It's how you cut and paste without resorting to the clipboard.
    Clipboards are undesirable ways to transfer data. For example,
    suppose I want to snap a column of article numbers out of a
    MicroEMACS window, I hold down C= and drawn the rectangle around
    the column.

    Then to do something with the numbers, I can paste them as a
    column (with an optional quote character), or I can paste them as
    a line, with simple keystroke combinations.

> :     The Amiga has better GUI performance than most systems mentioned
> :     here, except maybe the Archimedes.

> I always found the GUI performance of my 386+VGA to be as good as or better
> than that of a stock A3000.

    Perhaps because you don't switch between screens at all, or
    because you are referring to just text mode apps, or because you
    are used to funny window updates, or because you doze off when
    updates happen. The bottom line is that the A3000 will be "fast
    enough" in all cases, and will burn less CPU time being that fast.

> :     The fact that the OS can manage the different video modes in a
> :     manner that is _better_ than OS/2 2.0 just shows how slick the

> Slick, yes.  Particularly useful?  IMHO, no.

    This only reflects on the limited things you must be doing with
    your machine. Even viewing GIFs on a PC uses a weak version of
    the screen concept. The concept is very useful to a lot of other
    people.

> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Some Amiga questions!
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:47:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.064455.14012@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu
(Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>I found where to change the point... I made something a lot better...
>but now when I click on the desktop, or something, it changes into
>the number '1016' with a red band on the top and bottom if it...
>and THAT acts as the pointer!

You've lost me here.

>Also, did you guys know that if you fold down the feet on the keyboard it
>can fit snugly *under* the Amiga 1000? Nice to get it out of the way sometimes.

Alas, he's discovered the keyboard garage! :).

>I cannot imagine why C= would make the A500..well, AT ALL with the nice 
>looks and detached keyboard ofthe Amiga1000.  The A1000 looks a lot
>'better' than the A500, IMO.

I'm sure many others will agree with that. The A3000 is no slouch either.

>What's this 'F -> E' scrollbar thing on the left of my windows?  What is it?

Disk fuel gauge. It's gone under 2.0.

>And the 640X400-type mode 640X480) on my my PC doesn't flicker so bad.  Wow!

Hook it up to an NTSC monitor or TV and see what happens. Of course, this
would require a mediator of some sort ($).

>Well, lemme go try to find Lemmings in this box..... 8)

Oh Noooooooo!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: 1200/4000 pricing
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:19:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.180028.13742@midway.uchicago.edu> sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <C012r8.JH0@fiu.edu> freire2a@serss0 (Angel Freire) writes:
>>
>>$2699 for the 4000
>>$ 579 for the 1200
>^^^^^^^
>The "power up" price is $599.
>>
>>as an added bonus, both of these systems were being bundled with both
>>ADPro and Dpaint IV. those sound like VERY fair prices to me, especially
>^^^^^^^
>No, the A1200 comes with final copy 1.3.  With 2megs of ram, adpro will
>not run well :)
>
>
>The problem I see is the cost of turning the A1200 into a useable system.
>To add fast ram:
>
>	Microbotics MX1200 - $149 best mail-order price AmigaMan
>	4 meg simm: $169 with purchase of the above (Memory world now
>		wants $175)
>
>	85megHD with purchase = $289
>
>When you add this up, add tax and shipping, you can hit
>$1300 and still not have a monitor!

   Two local Omaha dealers are selling 33Mhz 486DX systems with 4M of RAM, 
SVGA card, SVGA monitor, and 100M hard drive for $1300.  And prices are likely
going to go lower still. 

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The 'Screens' debate:
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 19:02:44 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <jbickers.0lzu@templar.actrix.gen.nz> <1992Dec24.013559.22135@usl.edu>
  <1992Dec24.015546.22863@usl.edu>

>It is a nice thing to pull down the WorkBench, and see a largely differnt
>resolutions/colors scheme, but I don't see how it is terribly
>useful.  To make a generality, Amigas really need this mostly in cases
>where the 'standard' mode they are in is insufficient.  Right?

I see things a little bit differently. Screens allow the physical
grouping of application screen elements; in effect, they prevent
the screen clutter of wondering which window belongs to which
application.

The Windows MDI is similar in concept to multiple screens.


TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: monster@mbear.apana.org.au (Martin Ozolins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
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In article <1992Dec26.210659.14709@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> : I thought it was due to poor programming which needed a faster CPU to
> : cover it up
> :
> 
> You probably also think that c.s.a.a. is a source of reliable information.

Never, if it was, then you would never post anything in here :-)

> In fact, I bet that's where you got that great tidbit of fact above.

At least YOU admit it as fact. 
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Subject: Re: The 'Screens' debate:
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 26 Dec 92 11:58:45 PST
 <1992Dec24.013559.22135@usl.edu> <1992Dec24.015546.22863@usl.edu>
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec24.015546.22863@usl.edu> by das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A):

> NOW: is this better than running a hires, 256-color WB *anyway* and then
> running the art program, and *iconizing* the art program to get back to
> the WB?  Or having it truly 'windowed' on the 256-color WB and simply 
> DRAG that windows it is in 'off' side of the screen into virtual-WB
> space?  It is still full-screen, and you can still see the WB (ala
> 'pulling' down a screen).

    Yes. I do this all the time to switch between HAM pictures and an
    editor on Workbench. Switching between two screens is much faster
    than any mouse-driven operation to double-click on an icon or
    drag a window. Time-and-motion people would understand this. Hell,
    I found it a pain just to switch between a text editor and VLT
    doing file maintenance on a BBS. The sequence to delete a file was

        snap filename from text editor (C=-mouse)
        switch to VLT (C=-m)
        paste filename (C=-s)
        hit Enter
        switch to text editor (C=-m)

    But can you imagine doing even that in OS/2 with MicroEMACS and
    TE/2? Fortunately, on the Amiga it's possible to write an ARexx
    script that will handle it all with one or two keystrokes.
    Significant if you're deleting more than one or two files.

    It also saves memory. Imagine all the memory that would be wasted
    using SMART_REFRESH on a text editor in 256 color mode.

> So while 'screens' are in fact pretty nice, they do not seem to be
> the savior of Amigas like so many people on this group say they are.

    They are not "the saviour" of the Amiga, but they are an integral
    part of the Amiga, that could not be done away with without
    annoying a lot of people.

> Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:52:24 GMT

In article <38092@cbmvax.commodore.com>, andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
|> In article <1i74VB2w164w@admiral.uucp> andyp@admiral.uucp (Andy Patrizio) writes:
|> >andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
|> >Whew! Never thought I'd see a CBM'er let Marc have it. And boy did you. 
|> 
|> Well, I'm not with CBM any more (though I do occasional consulting
|> for them) so I can speak my mind a bit more.  Marc is certainly
|> a waste of time;  every once in a while I take him out of my kill
|> file.

That reminds me...

Uhm... you guys don't seem to get the point.... I'm not KIDDING about wanting
to know how to make a kill file for XRN. The man page is no help at all, and t
the RCS computer consultants are even less help. SOMEONE has to be using it!

PLEEZE?

|> 			andy
|> -- 
|> andy finkel		andy@cbmvax.commodore.com
|> 
|> "Unix is the Operating System of the future, and always will be."
|> 
|> Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
|> I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.

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From: mbrown@legend.akron.oh.us (MARK BROWN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CWAN-APPS
Reply-To: mbrown@legend.akron.oh.us
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Ok, I have an idea now. We'll Give that IBM market All Our 3D 
rendering and Graphics programs, and They in Returns can give us all 
they're High powered apps. sound fair?(sort of like a gift exchange, 
No?).
     Mark

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From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:21:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.210058.7501@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

[ ]
>
>Careful.  That could be a Cyrix 486, which only has 1K internal cache and no
>FPU.

A 25Mhz 386DX with a Cyrix math chip will outperform by far a 25Mhz 486. In
fact, using Maple and Mathematica (in graphical and numerical problems) we've
seen factors of 4 times faster. The math chip on the 486 is rather poor. The
Cyrix is much better. Now, this may be neither here nor there when talking
about the Cyrix 486()'s, but Cyrix has proved itself in other areas. I would
not dismiss them that easily. The one good thing about the Intel market is 
the competition. This produces low prices and some very good programs (only
some mind you).
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan got the Amiga 1000!
Distribution: world
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:29:21 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

re article by Dan Stephenson <1992Dec27.014913.1416@usl.edu>

"-This is from the person who hates GUIs-"  No, I -don't- hate GUIs, I hate
Mac and Windows and NeXt -WIMP- GUIs.  I LIKE windows, multitasking, cursor
keys, function keys, keypads, and mice have their place -- where and when
the USER wants to use them, not the Cupertino Style/Thought Police.  I like
to have graphics capability, sound, visualization software, etc. etc.  I do
NOT like Microsoft Excel, in ANY of its incarnations that I've used (Mac,
DOS, or Windows).  I was pointing out that I use my Amiga for productivity
apps because I do -- and I include desktop publishing there.  I;ve USED
@#*&^@#*&@Y Macs, and I hate the things -- got that, I have many hundreds
of hours of experience using them, and I prefer to use Amigas.  I've also
used MS-DOS and Windows machines -- again, I PREFER using Amigas.  What
-you- think about computers does NOT necessarily apply to how -I- use the
blasted things!  I prefer to have a lot of user interface flexibility
--which immediately puts strikes against MS-DOS and Macintosh machines.
Comprendez-vous?!


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

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From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Kill baby Amiga with a God Damn Club!!! 
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 11:14:01 GMT

Can will stop the "save the Amiga" thread?  It's gettin on my nerves!



                                    NCW
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 28 Dec 92 11:54:00 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec27.201849.28679@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel):
> John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:

> :     Windows isn't a worthwhile PC OS,

> Why, because *you* don't consider it such?  Fortunately, there are millions
> of people out there who don't consider you the ultimate authority in OS's.

    No, because it's built on top of DOS. I haven't seen any of the PC
    advocates here claim Windows is an OS that one should get if one
    is into clean multitasking and multiple DOS sessions and so on.
    Unix and OS/2 2.0 frequently ARE mentioned in this context. The
    applications that come with it are certainly worthwhile, but that
    doesn't lend credibility to Windows itself.

> Both Windows and OS/2 can do this, without extra software, although I'm
> not sure about column insertion.

    If your not sure, then why do you say that they can do it? This
    sort of "not sure" feel is unusual in your posts. Normally you are
    as convinced as Marc Barrett.

> : > I always found the GUI performance of my 386+VGA to be as good as or better
> : > than that of a stock A3000.

> :     updates happen. The bottom line is that the A3000 will be "fast
> :     enough" in all cases, and will burn less CPU time being that fast.

> Before Windows 3.1, my 386 PC was a bit slower in window updates.  With 3.1,
> however, it became noticeably faster.  No, I'm not talking about screens, just
> windows.

    Noticeably faster? So before Windows 3.1, your 386 PC's GUI
    performance was NOT "as good as or better than" an A3000's?

    There are a couple of interesting things here. One is that you are
    now only considering a subset of the GUI. You said before that
    switching between screens took ZERO time on your PC, so I'm not
    sure why you're leaving it out now. Secondly, it shows that
    Windows at least had room for _software_ improvement to window
    updates. Which PC advocates here didn't seem to think possible
    before 3.1. No, back then it was talk of graphics accelerator
    cards and other wonders :/.

    BTW, and this is very subjective, WIN-OS/2 seems to update windows
    a little quicker than OS/2 itself.

> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
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From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Questions about new
Date: 30 Dec 92 08:29:06 GMT
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> Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
> From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
> Message-ID: <C022K5.B2w@news.iastate.edu>
> Newsgroups:
> comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.tech,comp.sys.amiga.a
> vocacy
>
>   No.  The chipsets in the A4000 and A1200 are surface-mounted. They
> cannot be replaced.

They  WILL  be  able  to  be "replaced" by way of RTG, which Commodore *IS*
working  on.  And since they ARE working on this, there is no reason not to
put  at least the high-end chipset onto a Zorro III card.  And even if they
dont,  you'll  be  able  to use something just as good or better from third
party companies.

> -!-
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> -!------------------------------------------------

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