From: silver@yorick.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: STEROIDS AND SUPPLEMENTS AND ME
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:33:37 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

I received this e-mail from Michelle Bonugli:

From bonugli@iamok.enet.dec.com Tue Dec 15 09:55:01 1992
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 06:54:56 PST
From: MICHELLE J. BONUGLI DTN: 223-8401 OR 3247 (508)493-8401 OR 3247  15-Dec-19
92 0954 <bonugli@iamok.enet.dec.com>
To: silver@macbeth.umd.edu
Subject: Re: SUPPLEMENTS! (was Re: Really Strong Stuff)

I find this discussion rather amusing.  Every time I read notes
from Adam Silver, I feel like I'm reading Bill Phillip's _Anabolic
Reference Guide_ or excerpts from his supplement reviews or _MEDIA 2000_
magazine.  Only difference is that Adam's "summary" is not as thorough
or accurate.  I do recall that his first one has some inaccurate
information on the recommended dosages of clenbuterol.
Adam's famous steroid report is pretty much copied right from Bill's book.
It's even more amusing when I find out who Bill Phillip's got his information
from......it's like a chain reaction.  I'm wondering if Adam Silver
is an alias for Bill Phillips.

Now I haven't seen any accurate research or scientific studies from Adam.
He has claimed that he's done research on steroid users, yet I have not
seen any data....only excerpts from 1 book.  To do such a study would
require lots of money or access to real, legit steroids.  There's so
much bogus stuff out there that all of it would have to be tested in order
to truly have an accurate study.

I agree...I would like to see scientific evidence on claims made by Adam.


Motz.

P.S.  And speaking of Bill Phillips, I heard that his brother recently got
arrested for selling steroids.  Perhaps a rumor, but...perhaps NOT.

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Here's my reply:

Michelle,

        Yes, I do get a lot of information from not only Anabolic Refernce
Guide but also Underground Steroid Handbook 2.  Did I know most of this
information before I even touched either of those books?  Yes.  Why?  Am I
doing a "study" with real steroid users?

        Well, that's where it's a little unclear.  I have mentioned on several
occasions that what I am doing is not a "scientific" study of the use of
steroids because I don't have the money or equipment to do such a "study."
I am doing a general "study" on steroids.  What I'm really doing is taking
steroid users (using their own black market bought steroids) and comparing
them to regular weight lifters.  The reason I started to do any of this
stuff was to prove that steroids do increase muscular mass and strength.
I was doing this just for my school newspaper at first.  I was just trying to
disprove the media's lies that steroids don't work for increasing mass and
strength but only "kill."

        So where do these books come in?  Well, a friend of mine from the
net told me about them, so I purchased them.  I read through both books and
much of my information that I gathered was in those books.  I knew about
dosages being used of the different substances from working with these
drug users.  Maybe they got their information from these books or doctors
perhaps, but I was there to record everything they did.

        So maybe I'm just a record keeper making observations.  I can't
do a chemical analysis on their bodies because I don't have the money,
equipment, or knowledge (of the deep biochemistry).  I learned about the
chemical structures of steroids and how they work through reading lots of
journals.  I knew a lot before I even picked up those books, but those books
as well as Muscle Media 2000, bring these difficult to understand journal
articles into language that everyone can understand.

        I am going to review and revise my articles that I have sent to
the net, so that it is obvious I'm speaking in my own words.  Where did
Bill and Dan Duchaine first learn about steroids?  Journals.  Take a look in
JAMA for instance.  You can learn a lot except how to take them.  You don't
need any books to figure out how to use or get steroids.  Just go to
your local gym.  No kidding.  Much of the info in those books is there.
Those books do influence my writing.  I didn't copy (intentionally) from
any books, but after reading these books, sometimes they say things in a
great way.  Maybe it gets stuck in my head.

        I can go to my gym now and find out what drugs some of those people
are using and be able to trace back to those books what's is going on with
them.  You learn by experience, Michelle.  Any real steroid user could
write those books.  Bill and Dan are just good writers.

        I'm posting this reply to you to the network.

                                                        -Adam

PS  I'd like to say that those books as well as journals that I've read
helped with figuring out which drugs are hurting the liver and what dosages
might bring upon gynecomastia and aromatization.  I now have a few people
that have worked with me that have developed gynecomastia using fairly
high doses of Anadrol and Test Cypionate.  I don't need Bill's book to
figure that out.  I can see it.  It wasn't there before they started using
the stuff.

I also read in several places about steroids having an anti-catabolic effect.
This is where I screwed up.  I will look for all my references on this
and make sure everything that I send to the net is well documented, so I
don't have to go through this again.  The articles that I've sent to the
network are just a summary of my info.

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