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From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Subject: Re: US MILITARY BASE IN BD?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:39:35 GMT

In article <2304@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> ark@ukc.ac.uk (A.R.Khan) writes:
>
>To: mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu
>Subject: Re: U.S. military aid to Bangladesh
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
>In-Reply-To: <1992Nov18.024548.4352@dsuvax.dsu.edu>
>Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.
>Cc: 
>Bcc: 
>
>We are
>not possible good administrators of ourselves and time, Insha Allah
>will take care of it, but one thing is certain, we are no good
>as ruled. 

I agree with A.R. Khan. Bengalis have historically always had a 
healthy repugnance to being ruled from a distant power centre.
Time and again in ancient and mediaeval Indian history, whenever
the centre of imperial power (usually based in North India) became
weak, Bengal was among the first provinces to declare independence.

This also happened during the Mughal era when it became terribly
difficult to tame Bengal because of the heroic resistance of
the "Baro Bhuyian" (Twelve Landholders) led by King Pratapaditya
of Jessore. Again, Murshid Quli Khan was quick to become de facto
independent when Mughal power started to collapse. The fact that 
Bengal was at the forefront of anti-British struggle may be viewed
as a continuation of this story. The last chapter of the story 
was the liberation struggle of the Bengali people in 1971.

-Sayan Bhattacharyya.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject: Posting in SCB
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:12:11 GMT

I would like to know if there is any way of posting letter
to SCB by email. To SRI we can post using the address

     religion-islam-request@ncar.ucar.edu

I would request that if such a provision doesnot exist,
then such a facility should be made. More over if possible
another mathod should be made in which the poster can keep
the identity secret.

Please give it a consideration

with regards
SUPRATIC GUPTA

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
From: was@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (wasif.sattar)
Subject: Re: Long March News
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:11:38 GMT
Summary: BBC news
Keywords: News on Long March

In article <1992Nov18.192313.2059@ntmtv>, ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed) writes:
> Police teargassed about 20,000 long-marchers/protestors in the
> twin cities of Rawalpindi- Islamabad.
> Any more................
> Syed Ahmed.

I heard on the BBC this morning that Ms. Benazir Bhutto was among the
victims of the tear-gassing. My question is, why is the long march
taking place now? Why did it not take place two years ago?

Best wishes,
Wasif
From: adnan@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Adnan Choudhury)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Bangladesh to boost military (UPI)
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:06:31 GMT
Reply-To: adnan@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Adnan Choudhury)
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

For those of you who haven't read this already from UPI news sources:

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From netnews.upenn.edu!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!looking!clarinews Sun Nov 15 19:00:58 EST 1992
Article: 8569 of clari.news.gov.international

	DHAKA, Bangladesh (UPI) -- The 100,000-member Bangladesh army, heavily
tied down by an ongoing rebellion in the Chittagong hill tracts, plans
to add a seventh division to help defend the capital, military sources
said Saturday.
	The seventh division of the army, to be known as Division 19, will be
based in the central district of Mymensingh to protect Dhaka's
northwestern flank, the sources said.
	Bangladesh, with an annual per capital income of $200, already spends
more than $400 million annually on defense, making military outlays
second only to education in the national budget.
	According to unofficial sources, another $125 million is spent
annually on the counter-insurgency efforts in the hill tracts, where
insurgents known as the Shanti Bahini are fighting for autonomy for
three tribal-majority districts.
	The Bangladesh army was formed in 1971 during the country's nine-
month war of independence against Pakistan, and initially consisted
mainly of Bengalee soldiers of the Pakistan army who defected to those
fighting for independence.
	The army has lost more than 400 soldiers and officers to the 16-year-
old guerrilla war in the insurgency-torn Chittagong hill tracts in the
southeast of the country bordering India and Burma.
	Only two of the Bangladesh army's six divisions have full complements
of four infantry and one artillery brigades each.
	Of these two, Division 9 is deployed in the central area around Dhaka
and Division 24 is engaged in the Chittagong hill tracts.
	The military source said the new division, to be inaugurated in
January, is likely to consist of three under-strength brigades that will
be formed partly by raising new recruits and partly from portions of
other formations.

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"If there's nothing wrong with me,      | ADNAN CHOUDHURY
then maybe there's something wrong 	| adnan@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
with the universe!"			| adnan@pender.ee.upenn.edu
              - Dr. Beverly Crusher     | University of Pennsylvania
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Ershad's wealth.
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:21:09 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
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                          Xinhua General News Service
DATELINE: dhaka, november 12; ITEM NO: 1112087


   a u.s. report said that fresh evidences indicated that the ousted
 bangladesh president h.m.  ershad, during his rule from 1982 to 1990,
misappropriated state funds and smuggled out 520 million u.s. dollars.
the report, released in washington wednesday by the united states
senate sub-committee headed by senator john kerry, said the suspended bcci
bank had helped the fallen dictator to siphon out at least 520 million
u.s.  dollars and had appointed three close relatives of the former
president for this purpose.  the report said even the disaster relief
fund donated by different donor agencies and countries during the 1988
flood was also included in the smuggled funds, the official news
agency bss reported from washington.  the kerry report said a.h.g.
mohiuddin, the then bangladesh permanent representative to the united
nations and brother-in-law of ershad, had played an important role to
smuggle out the huge fund.  ousted from power by a mass action in
december 1990, ershad has already been sentenced to 10 plus three
years in jail for keeping illegal arms and amassing wealth beyond
known sources of his income.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: Z36Q000 <Z36Q@UNB.CA>
Subject: HELP!
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:49:42 GMT

Can anybody help me to find the address and telephone no. of my friend?
HE was doing his MS (GEOLOGY) in the UNIV., OF TEXAS---A&M., last
year.  His name is:
                 RAQUIBUDDIN AHMED
Thanks.
From: ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: soc.religion.islam.ahmadia
Date: 15 Nov 1992 17:57:14 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: curie.systemsy.cs.yale.edu


In article <ZAHIN.92Nov15134656@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, zahin@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Kazi Zahin S. Hasan) writes:
> In article <1e4dogINNhct@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
> 
> >If Ahmadiyas are indeed Muslims, why do they need a new newsgroup?
> >Surely, soc.religion.islam is sufficient since it addresses *all*
> >Muslim issues?
> 
> Obviously they feel intimidated by people like yourself always trying
> to convince them that they should not be calling themselves Muslims.
> If they had a separate group, "orthodox" muslims would probably be
> less likely to read it. Ahmadias posting on such a board would
> probably not have to endure as much of this "you ahmadias should not
> be calling yourselves muslims" crap as they would if they posted on
> sri.

First we had Zahin the prophet with his magical rules of determining
who is a Muslim and who is not.  Now we have Zahin the soothsayer.
Impressive.  So tell me, how do you know who would post what to SRI?
And how come you're making a complaint that I haven't seen the Ahmadi
advocates of the group make yet?

At any rate, if you feel (like you have said), that you can overrule
the Qur'an in defining what constitutes a Muslim, then this is a
pointless argument and we're only wasting bandwidth.  I think Supratic
Gupta has a similar ideology -- perhaps you could him interested in
soc.religion.islam.Zahin?

-- Shakil
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:6187 soc.culture.pakistan:17135 soc.culture.indian:38060
From: kas5213@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Canada for a day
Reply-To: kas5213@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:27:45 GMT

Hi,
	I am planning to go to Canada (maybe Niagra Falls or Toronto) in the
near future (before Nov 30th). I hate going there alone, if anyone of you
fellows live in or near Rochester area (Western New York) or in Buffalo or
inbetween and are interested in going to Canada, please e-mail or call me. I 
have a 2 seater car and am willing to share driving (provided you have a valid
U.S. driver license). My e-mail address is : 
                          internet : kas5213@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
			  bitnet   : KAS5213@RITVAX
My tel. no. is (716) 427 2347.
	In case anyone who does not know, you do need a visa to go to Canada,
if are from BD. I know of 2 places in New York state where there are Canadian 
visa offices, Buffalo and NYC.
Thank you.
						ADNAN SIDDIKY 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: Rana  <rana@cs.unsw.oz.au>
Subject: Re: Chakma peace talks
Organization: Uni of NSW, Sydney, Australia
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:26:56 GMT

In article <NAEEM.92Nov11015048@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> Naeem Mohaiemen,
naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu writes:
>Govt began talks w/ Chakma rebels in sthrn hill tracts w/ rebels
announcing
>cease fire until end of year. The talks, 7th in series under Khaleda Zia
govt
>are being held after months of intense preparation for several months to
find
>a solution. The talks are at Khagrachari. Communications Minister Oli
Ahmed
>led the govt delegation. Govt closed several bases and suspended
activities
>in the remainder until December 31.
>
>The Chakmas have been fighting since early 70s for autonomy over 14,000
>square km hill region.
>
>[Japan Econ Newswire]
>
>[Note: Another news item said that 8 bases were closed in the area and 
>activities in 5 were suspended]
>
>[Note: One reason for less optimism is that:
>	-Opposition refused to join delegation in spite of govt request (of 
>course no opposition member would want to join in delegation that would
help
>a BNP govt become the one to solve Chakma problem)
>	-Chief Chakma supporter in parliament Rashed Khan Menon is not in the
>country and is unlikely to become well enough to return soon]


This is interesting news, I hope to hear more.  Anyone out got anything
good ??
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: hassan@bcrka434.bnr.ca (Abu Hassan)
Subject: Re: ONE KILLED IN MOSLEM SECTARIAN FIGHTING
Reply-To: hassan@bcrka434.bnr.ca (Abu Hassan)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:22:54 GMT


Jamajt-e-Islami denied any involvement with the recent
attack of the Quadyani mosque. However, they reiterated
their demand to declare Quadyanis as non-muslims.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: IBDQJMW@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (jim wilce)
Subject: soliciting articles for "shanket: a south asian quarterly"
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:26:32 PST

FAROOQ AMEEN, OMAR RAHMAN AND I INVITE PARTICIPANTS IN THIS NETWORK TO
SEND ARTICLES ON BANGLADESH (OR ITS S. ASIAN CONTEXT) IN SUCH FIELDS AS
ECONOMICS, SOCIOLOGY, DEVELOPMENT, POLITICS, LITERATURE, ENVIRONMENT,
SCIENCES, INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, ARCHITECTURE, THE ARTS, ETC. FOR
PUBLICATION IN SHANKET.  THE FIRST ISSUE SHOULD APPEAR WITHIN A FEW
MONTHS.  SEND THE ARTICLE IN HARD COPY AND ON DISK (MS WORD-- DOS OR MAC
) TO JIM WILCE, 1050 10TH ST. #1, SANTA MONICA, CA 90403.  SUBSCRIPTIONS
FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS, AND OFFERS OF ASSISTANCE (TIME) WOULD ALSO BE
WELCOME.  SEND YOUR QUESTIONS AND INQUIRIES TO THE SAME ADDRESS.  WE
LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU-- JIM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mikail@cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mikail Shams)
Subject: Re: Clinton and Bangladesh
Organization: Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:47:47 GMT

Clinton and BangladeshIn article <1992Nov13.175533.6158@udel.edu>, kazi@dobie.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) writes:
>The US American elections are over and  we  see  a  new  Democrat
>tenant at the White House after twelve years of Republican tenan-
>cy. The question I have been mulling over  is  what  effect  will
>Bill Clinton's election have on Bangladesh in general, and on the
>Bangladesh economy in particular?

[Stuff Deleted]

>Incidently, there has been many  reports  of  Dr.  Yunus  of  the
>Grameen Bank having been nominated for the Nobel Prize. Does any-
>one know who nominated Dr. Yunus?
>
>- Zunaid Kazi
>  kazi@cis.udel.edu

As far as I know Dr. Yunus was never nominated for the Nobel Prize. 
President-Elect Bill Clinton in one of his interviews talked about 
how he will revive the American economy.  He mentioned Grameen's 
Banking policy for the poor and how he would like to adopt a 
similiar policy for poor states in the US.  This is where he 
praised Dr. Yunus' work and said he should be nominated for a Nobel 
Prize. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:51:30 GMT

============================
Shakil Ahmed writes:

But even casting that aside, let us look at Prophet Muhammed's (pbuh)
last sermon which he gave on the ninth day of Dhul Hijjah, 10 A.H. in
the Uranah valley of Mount Arafat:

   O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
   words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QUR'AN
   and my example, the SUNNAH, and if you follow these you will never go
   astray.
================================


It would be nice if you could transliterate the actual Arabic text of his
sermon. If ,what has been underlined above, can be unambiguously translated
from the original authentic Arabic text of the sermon, one could accept
(assuming Prophet Muhammad is the best interpreter of the Quran we have) with
a certain degree of confidence that the sense of the word "Khatum-Nabiyeen" used
in the relevant verse was meant to be "Last" rather than "Seal" of prophets.

However I still believe that the name of the group "...islam.ahmadiyya"
sufficiently differentiates it from what you would call pure islam. Also as I
said earlier, use of the names "islam" or "muslim" by any one does not deprive
any group of any privileges or cause any harm. The only "harm" being caused is
the "mental agony" being suffered which seems more self-inflicted. 

I wouldn't deprive anyone the right to contest the Ahmadiyya claim, however,
just as the Ahmadiyya's have a similar right, as long as the debate is purely
intellectual and verbal.

In any case if a "muslim" thinks what he/she  practices in or believes in is
what (s)he calls "islam" then its his/her privilege to do so. Only God (if there
is such an entity) will decide whether they have been following the "true"
Quran.   



--Javed. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: U.S. military aid to Bangladesh
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:43:57 GMT

In article <69799@cup.portal.com>, hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam) writes:
> >Recently, in course of discussion of the U.S. military assistance
> >to Bangladesh, some have tried to find American motive behind
> >it while they had to pull out from Philipines recently.
> >The Subic Bay naval base used to pour one million dollars every
> >day to the economy of that impoverished region of Philipines.
> >I like to see Bangladesh getting a deal like that. What else in
> >short term can get BD such a source of hard currency that is so
> >dearly needed there?
> >
> >If dealt on properly, such an arrangement can be made to deliver
> >good to the people of Bangladesh.
> >
> >It is time that everyone concerned gives up fiery rhetoric about
> >an all-evil uncle Sam (that is so common in the third world) and
> >give some reasonable thought to it.
> >
> >Mukherjee
> 
> I trust you're not holding up the Phillipines as a model to follow.
> A country which went from the richest in Asia after WWII to one
> of the poorest. It would be funny except for the people having
> to put up with the corruption there.
> 
> I firmly believe most aid corrupts. We can do it without much aid,
> and we will be the better of it by not being a nation of beggars.
> 
> Hassan

The presence of the US or US aid to the Philippines is irrelevant to
their economic decline. The Philippine`s declined because its leaders
were to corrupt (Marcos) and because their govt. lacked vision.

U.S. military aid to Bangladesh may be a boon. It could take of some
of the burden of military spending from the annual budget. Moreover,
military ties can be exploited in favor of economic ties. Just take
a look at South Korea and Japan.
From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: News
Date: 15 Nov 92 14:35:14 CST
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
NNTP-Posting-Host: engvms.unl.edu

In article <1992Nov14.200717.2890@news.clarkson.edu>, haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu.noname (Anisul Haque,,,) writes:
> 
> Is Joyoti Prokash Datta still writing? I have heard that he has left the US and 
> now he is sttled in Bangladesh. Does anyone know?


Joti prakash datta is back to US, but his wife Purabi dutta is staying
in Bangladesh. She is also active in writing. 

---Zakir
From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:19:16 GMT

> In article <1e9pb6INNm9v@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.ed
u (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
>I am not from "these countries."  I have never lived in an Islamic
>country in my life.  But one thing I *was* taught is that one should
>know what one is arguing about before one attempts it.  Were you ever
>taught that Raj?  Or is common sense something that you just never
>considered important?

It only shows that Bangladesh still has some rabid jammati fundamentalists 
carrying the flags of their Arab/Paki masters. As previously said, pet Dogs 
are more faithful to the house than the masters themselves. No wonder pakistan
comfortably screwed Bangladesh 10 years ago, killing over 3 millions Bengalis,
with the help of Jamatees like your-self. Average Bangladeshi would be
very much relieved to know that your highness decided to live in non-islamic 
state of America and did not come to live in (islamic republic of) Bangladesh.
At least, you had some mercy on Islam.

bkumar
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Re:U.S. military aid to Bangladesh
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:33:08 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>Recently, in course of discussion of the U.S. military assistance
>to Bangladesh, some have tried to find American motive behind
>it while they had to pull out from Philipines recently.
>The Subic Bay naval base used to pour one million dollars every
>day to the economy of that impoverished region of Philipines.
>I like to see Bangladesh getting a deal like that. What else in
>short term can get BD such a source of hard currency that is so
>dearly needed there?
>
>If dealt on properly, such an arrangement can be made to deliver
>good to the people of Bangladesh.
>
>It is time that everyone concerned gives up fiery rhetoric about
>an all-evil uncle Sam (that is so common in the third world) and
>give some reasonable thought to it.
>
>Mukherjee

I trust you're not holding up the Phillipines as a model to follow.
A country which went from the richest in Asia after WWII to one
of the poorest. It would be funny except for the people having
to put up with the corruption there.

I firmly believe most aid corrupts. We can do it without much aid,
and we will be the better of it by not being a nation of beggars.

Hassan