From: query@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Samuel Green)
Subject: Re: Walking her to the car.
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:40:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.173756.9518@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.053659.3887@news.acns.nwu.edu>, query@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Samuel Green) writes:
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>No, you are not dealing with it sequentially. The ploice spot you following
>her, or she waves them down. Her story gets explained, and as far as the police
>are concerned, you fit the profile of so many other rapists they have dealt
>with or astudied or heard about.
>
>At that time you get arrested for (fill in the blank) AND resisting arrest.
>
	Resisting arrest?  1) How and why?  2)  Whats fill in the blank?
Remember, there are no charges whatsoever that would possibly account for
them arresting me for walking down the street, even if I was following
someone.  Also, there is still the matter of intent to deal with.  As far
as can be prooven, my intent was, essentially, to make sure the person gets
home safely.  That is what I told the people at the party...

>You now go downtown while a follow-up cruiser is sent to the party to collect
>evidence that you:
>
>1. Were chatting with her.
>2. Offered to escort her
>3. Followed her AGAINST her wishes.
Dont forget 4)  Stated to several people that I was going out to make sure
she or he got home safely.  

>
>By that time, the police are not looking for "truth", they are looking for
>evidence, because they have committed themselves to proving you are a criminal.
	Evidence that will only show positively on myself, if they do not
fabricate it.  Statements from witnesses expressing my stated intent would
help, not hinder me.

>If they fail, you go free AND get to sue them. 
	Probably be a waste of time to sue them, unless they did fabricate
evidence opr falsify charges, in which case, they need to be either
reprimanded or some other such.  Pretty hard to sue the police.

>
>That means you have to defend youself against said charges, while they try to
>plea bargain you down to something petty you will agree to rather than risk
>prison time.

	Yeah, and I think my defense will be good enough to have me
exonerated from any charges, unless they can find some bullshit way to slap
me with a misdemeanor.  Probably wouldnt make it past arraignment, though,
due to lack of evidence (again, assuming that no 'evidence' has been
created by the police.

>
>And, do NOT make the mistake of thinking a crack bust is bigger than taking a
>rapist off of the streets to a cop. Crack busts are a nuisance that does
>nothing--by the time the perp is being booked, he or she has been replaced, and
>someone is happy to buy from them. Catching a rapist means you have protected
>innocent people from harm.

	I think I said that the cops would rather fabricate evidence on a
crack bust, than on some person just walking down the street.  Even so, it
again depends on the situation.  If there is no evidence whatsoeever (and
there isnt from any of that chatting stuff, other than that she did refuse
escort, and I followed her (whic, by the way, would not be considered
walking with her)  Like I said, it all depends on how far the police are
willing to lie when the arresting officers will know: 1)  that I am
innocent, and I think the fact that they would have to make up evidence
would pretty much proove it to them, 2) that they will have to spend many
hours doing bullshit paperwork and attending a bullshit trial, and 3) that
they run the risk of getting in some fairly serious trouble if they are
caught for making up evidence.  In Chicago, the new superintendant is VERY
strict about police behavior.  May be different elsewhere.

>
>If you don't believe me, which would you rather arrest, some chinsey dealer, or
>a date rapist?

	I would rather arrest a rapist, if it was proven that he had
committed the crime or if there were very strong evidence that he had done
so.  False rape charges can hurt the 'defendant' just as much as a rape can
hurt the victim.  I would not be willing to risk ruining someons life if I
wasnt pretty convinced that they had done something wrong.  But, I would arrest the dealer if there was no real
proof or strong reason to suspect that the alleged rapist had done anything
at all in way of showing intent to harm, rather than help.

>
>DC
>
>PS. Remember, being innocent is only a good defense if you can prove it is true
>AND it nullifies what you have been charged with.
>
	Unless a police officer is willing to risk charges of perjury by
stating that i either resisted arrest or something, I doubt that the other
charges would stick.,  Also, what charge was I resisting arrest on?  Please
supply an actual crime.
>
>
Sam
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