HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wnljam01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,apc.reg.safrica,sanet.talk.politics
Subject: Re: Campus Fascists
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:59:35 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <1992Sep9.193120.10640@ucthpx.uct.ac.za>, gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
> msncra01@uctvax.uct.ac.za (Craig Mason0-  -Jones) writes:
> 
> : But of course you overlook SASCO's first objection - that INKATHA has no idea
> : what freedom of speech means. After all, SASCO is effectively banned on all
> : KwaZulu campuses, is not allowed anywhere in KwaZulu. Don't try to whitewash
> : Inkatha by criticising SASCO.
> 
> Inkatha's record on freedom of speech is not the issue. If SASCO's freedom
> of speech was violated then that should be condemned equally. Where SASCO
> is or is not banned, whether Buthelezi likes lacy underwear and whether
> Cameron Dugmore uses deodorant is beside the point. Freedom of speech
> protects all equally.
> 
> This goes beyond condemnation, which is safe and antiseptic, especially
> when handled by Scott. Those SASCO people involved should be expelled,
> they don't belong at UCT. Notice they're the same heroes who were involved
> in last years activities. Any further trouble, eg burning barricades,
> assaults on students and lecturers, disruption of lectures, should be
> dealt with by the police. In terms of the National Peace Accord, to which
> the ANC and the Mason-Jones's are signatories, and in terms of common
> law, the police have an OBLIGATION to intervene.
> 
> If the fops in UCT admin (and the other 'liberal' universities
> in South Africa) had done that years ago we wouldn't have this problem.
> And we do have a problem. 
> 
> Gavan Tredoux

>>  Hi there.  Thanks for saving me a lengthy reply which would have been the
same
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: F*** You All
Followup-To: alt.flame,misc.test
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:37:54 GMT

Wally.Walters@p0.f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Wally Walters) writes:
> MH> it.  I HATE to see 50 responses to one stupid, obviously (at least
> MH> partly) faked message.  And I'm sure the owners of  systems across the
> MH> net feel the same.   --MJH
>
>So why didn't some nearby Sysop press <Del> (or whatever Sysops do) with
>the alacrity they bitch about taglines?

>INTERNET: Wally.Walters@p0.f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org
>via:  THE CATALYST BBS in Port Elizabeth, South Africa.
>       (catpe.alt.za)   +27-41-34-1122 HST or +27-41-34-2859, V32bis & HST.

What would Wally Walter (faked name?) have said if his response was
deleted by a nearby sysop.
What is it with those sysops these days ?
BTW, the subject really stinks, so what will happen to Followups to this one ?
Find out ...

Sven :)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,apc.reg.safrica,sanet.talk.politics
From: heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet)
Subject: Re: Bantustans (was Re: Campus Fascists)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 07:51:37 GMT
Organization: Dept of Elec Eng, UCT

zozo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Fundi Mbangi) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.154229.2872@hippo.ru.ac.za> ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod) writes:
>>The fact is that Transkei and Venda were set up and are ruled by minority
>>government inspired dictators as well.  The difference is that their
>>dictators are big chums with the ANC so there isn't this overwhelming
>>desire to use mass action to topple their particular "governments". 
>
>I think we all agree that Bantustan dictators were/are supported by the
>minority govt. But you must realize the big difference between Bantu Holomisa
>in Transkei, and his Ciskei counter-part, Oupa Gqozo. Holomisa has stated his
>intention to have T/kei re-incorporated into S.A. 

According to this morning's paper, Holomisa has just refused to have
the Goldstone Commission operate within the Transkei, on the grounds
that the Transkei is a separate country from SA.  He is the only
homelands leader to have refused to cooperate with Goldstone.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:13 PDT
Subject: SOMALIA: new action appeal
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471700110:000:1634
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Sep 10 19:13:00 1992


Please call the House Select Committee on Hunger at 202-226-5470.
Or fax them at 202-226-0034.

The members of the International Task Force of this committee are
Vic Fazio, California
Peter H. Kostmayer, Pennsylvania
Byron L. Dorgan, North Dakota
Bob Carr, Michigan
Timothy J. Penny, Minnesota
Albert G. Bustamente, Texas
Eni F.H. Faleomavaega, 
        American Samoa
Alan Wheat, Missouri
(the above are Democrats)

Benjamin A. Gilman, New York


Robert F. (Bob Smith), Oregon
Doug Bereuter, Nebraska
Duncan L. Hunter, California
Frank R. Wolf, Virginia
Christopher H. Smith, New Jersey

(the above are Republicans)

If any of the above are your representative, it would be quite effective
to phone that representative personally, or fax him.


Please phone or fax the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, Subcommittee
on African Affairs

Phone: 202-224-4651
Fax:  202-224-5011


Ali Mohamed of the Save Somalia Project also strongly advises continuing
to fax and phone Boutros-Ghali, Secretary General of the UN.

That fax number again is 212-963-4879

For Internet users, you may fax for free using the number
Boutros_Ghali@f00912129634879.fax.sunet.se

IGC (peacenet, etc.) may also fax with this free SUNET number. Do
as you do for email.  At the "To:" prompt, simply type in the free
number "Boutros_Ghali@f00912129634879.fax.sunet.se" (don't use
the quotes and don't use the prefix "Fax:").  This is treated
as email by IGC and there is no charge.  However, it generates afax
a fax at SUNET and comes out the UN fax machine.


Thank you for helping.  Let's give it all we've got and perhaps we will
save many innocent lives.
From: heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet)
Subject: Re: F*** You All
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 11:24:13 GMT
Organization: Dept of Elec Eng, UCT

Wally.Walters@p0.f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Wally Walters) writes:
> MH> it.  I HATE to see 50 responses to one stupid, obviously (at least
> MH> partly) faked message.  And I'm sure the owners of  systems across the
> MH> net feel the same.   --MJH
>
>So why didn't some nearby Sysop press <Del> (or whatever Sysops do) with
>the alacrity they bitch about taglines?

Do you *really*, *seriously* want sysops to cancel news articles
based on content (or even lack thereof)?  I think you would find
most of the Usenet community disagreeing with you - we value
freedom of speech far above signal-to-noise ratio.  (The only
exception would be where a crime is committed, e.g. copyright
violations.)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Hijackers of Ethiopian airliner surrender in Rome
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:11:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.212053.13791@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:
>Hi guys,
>
>        I took Ethiopian Airlines in 1990 from Nairobi to Addis and
>then Addis->Dire Dawa->Addis. The plane was in great condition. The
>service was excellent! We had a high class snack and the headphones
>were so good, I took them home! So, I really don't understand this
>story about flour bags and dust and what not. What's going on?
>
>        Hubert.
>

This story is more believable now! More and more people kept on taking
the headphones and other stuff home with them..:-) :-) :-)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Violent Racist Blacks :(
Summary: Racism
Keywords: Prejudice
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: global
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:54:33 GMT


( ...Hello everybody. You are all glad to hear from me....)

Newsflash:


(Wilmington Morning Star, Saturday, September 5, 1992...Police Blotter)


				MAN ATTACKED IN HATE CRIME

	Five or six black men attacked and beat a white man Thursday night 
in the Dove Meadows apartment complex in what Wilmington Police are
classifying as a hate crime, a police report says.
	
	The victim, a 28-year-old Leland man, said he was walking in the
2300 block of Adams street when the men walked up and started calling
him racial names like "white cracker," the report says.

	The men punched and kicked the victim repeatedly in the face and
body, the report says.

	The victim told police he thought the attack was race related 
because he did nothing to provoke the men. He refused to get in an
ambulance and was treated at the scene.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: maxwell's plum article
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:00:25 GMT

In article <stovall.715988099@ficus.cs.ucla.edu>,
stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
>HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>>Is this the Clayborne Carson book on Malcolm's FBI files?  If so,
>>what page?
>
>Yeah. Have to bring it tomorrow. But look in the cronology at the
>front of the book. Incidentally, there is some very interesting
>material on his views of true Islam vs Elijah Muhammad's Islam
>after his return from Hajj.
>
>>.
>>"Sexual perversion," huh?  But of course that would have meant pimp,
>>too.
>
>Yeah, it could mean almost anything. But it seems like pretty strong
>language for a draft board.
.
.
.
Mayhap the Draft Board physicians/shrinks saw something...hence the
strong language.
.
Oh, and the biography of Malcolm X that we have such strong views
about--it's about a year old!  Maybe it's in paperback...I've got
the hardback edition.
From: mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:08:19 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <8egoxIC00WBOM1XIE5@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:
$Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 13-Sep-92 Re:
$Clinton by "None of ya Bizness"@epx 
$> more respect for Republicans because most of them tell it like it is:
$> we don't like niggers like you fuckin up the program.  Democrats are
$> much more sleazy, actin like they're for our best interests, yet when
$> it's time to produce, come up with nothing.
$
$I disagree vehemently and think that this is far too simplistic an
$argument.  I've been hearing this argument a lot lately (I guess its the
$"in" thing from a lot of young black people, something akin to "Well,
$I'm going to vote for Bush because at least then we know we have a
$racist in office. ")

Now I wouldn't go that far as to vote for Bush just so I know there's
a racist in office.  I don't understand why you think it's so
simplistic.  It's the only valid argument there is.  Take it for what
you will, but I would rather have a man tell me "I don't like you,
fuck you," then to have to have someone fake like he likes me and
can't stand me.  That ain'ttrying to be "in", that's just me.

$This, IMHO, has to be the silliest rationale we can offer.  The current
$administration has no respect for us at all.  (and, in truth, this is
$not confined solely to the Republican party, its more of a whites with
$money thing...)

But for the most part the Repubs are much more succinct and vocal
about the fact that black people are not part of the crowd.  The Demos
for the most part want to act like we are part of the crowd (to get
the votes of course), but in reality don't want us around either.

$I don't think anyone would disagree that things have become
$progressively worse for a great many blacks in this country over the
$past 12 years.  Coincidentally, those same 12 years happened to be
$headed by a Rep. in the White House.

Unfortunately there are black people out there who think the situation
has either gotten better, or hasn't gotten worse.  Those are the Black
Republicans.  They vote for Bush and his gang because they feel that
what Bush has done in the past 4 years has bettered their individual
situations.  People always ask "How the hell can a black person be a
republican???"  That's why, IMHO.

$BTW I have much more respect for someone who, after his term in office,
$commits his time to helping build low income housing for the poor
$(former President Carter... incidentally, some of the ONLY housing to
$withstand Hurrican Andrew) than the last president who seems content to
$live on his sprawling estate writing books and  making appearances.  

Hey, it's the American Way.


-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
				            	
	"Arresk the Presidink!"
				-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
From: locker@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (locker jon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Today's Republicans (1992), Yesterday's Democrats (1960)
Summary: what were they thinking?
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:24:03 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <1992Sep11.140717.27437@cas.org> cwm54@cas.org () writes:
>      RACE. Ronald Reagan won twice by subtley telling the country he would
>      put us and keep us in our place.(maybe he wasn't so subtle) 

This has become a theme in GOP politics (aka Herr Buchanan).

>      By the way could
>      someone tell me why any black person could even THINK about being a
>      republican? I know democrats let us down but in general they aren't
>      actively hostile to us.

I was re-reading some books on the civil rights era a couple of weeks ago
and was comparing the politics of that era to those of today.  My
impression was that in the 50s and 60s the Democrats controlled virtually 
everything in the South while using similar (perhaps a tad more extreme!)
racial themes.  I also got the impression that the black vote, or more
accurately, what there was of the black vote was not yet as solid as it is
today (with >85% for a particular candidate not being uncommon).

My question is, how did the Democratic Party beat the Republicans to the
punch when it came to the issue of civil rights? (talk about being
'actively hostile'!)  With the South so solidly
Democratic, it seems natural to think that the Republicans would have had
nothing to lose by embracing the cause of civil rights.  Their main
constituency would not have initially been affected, would it? Indeed, had
they been able to gain Black suffrage, isn't it possible that they could have
taken a foothold in Southern politics - or made gains up North by using the
theater of the South as a weapon to embarrass the Democrats in the North?

Anyway, I agree with the original poster that it seems ridiculous for any
right-thinking black person would vote GOP today.  But it seems equally as
ridiculous for any right-thinking black person to have voted for JFK in
1960, whose party had blood on its hands.  It also seems riduculous that
the GOP didn't take advantage of this when it had the chance.  Comments?

________
Jon Locker
j-locker@uiuc.edu
"Beware of the hand\ When it comes from the left
 I ain't trippin'  \  Just watch your step" - PE, 1991
From: Tracie Diamond <tracie@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: 08 Sep 92 16:48 PDT
Subject: To Two Particular Racists
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471600043:000:254
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!tracie    Sep  8 16:48:00 1992


Thanks but no thanks for your imput. But your distinction between 
some African American being "niggers" and some not are just as 
RACIST and SICK as the person who did the original posting. Not to mention 
have no intention of being trained by anyone!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: djh4535@zeus.tamu.edu (HARRIS, DUANE J)
Subject: Re: Clinton, Jesse Jackson, and African-Americans
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:56:00 GMT

In article <0egYstK00WBNE3DZZf@andrew.cmu.edu>, dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes...

:The fact of the matter is that spending under the Reagan administration
:went through the roof in an effort to subsidize socialism for the
:wealthy.  

this is all too true 
thet aprove of welfare for the rich but not the poor
1. savings-n-loan bail out

y is it a poor man steals 30$ from a convient store and threatens 1 maybe too
people gets 7-10 years in prison (real prison not club fed)
and a rich man steals millions and desimates the life styles of millions
directly and indirectly and fuck  this precious economy of ours only gets
maybe 2- 5 years in club fed?

just my $.02
		d.j.loki seth I
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Lee:Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:20:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department


glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:


>In article <stovall.715980119@ficus.cs.ucla.edu>, stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:

>I bet they would have kicked a lot less Russian ass
>without the weapons designed and provided by
>western intellectuals.

>And what does the ability to aim and fire a stinger
>missile have to do with anything else?

I was talking about things like ethical and moral certitude,
courage, and like that, not technology. I am more interested in
the inner qualities they showed in successfully conducting a
protracted armed struggle that probably had a lot to do with
the timing of the collapse of the Soviet Empire. Those qualities
are not usually present in the kind of people who move and shake
our (decadent) culture.

johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson) writes:

>In article <stovall.715980119@ficus.cs.ucla.edu> stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu  
>(Steven Stovall) writes:
>> who kicked Russian ass in Afghanistan.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>     Uh, Steve, isn't it true that the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan were only  
>able to defeat the Russians after they started getting all those huge  
>American arms shipments (especially surface-to-air missles) on a regular  
>basis? And isn't it true that the credo of the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan  
>was really "In Reagan and CIA influence we trust"?

The Mujahedeen is looked upon in some circles as a resource of hard-core,
battle-hardened warriors that can be drawn upon to conduct Jihad in other
parts of the world. The dismantling of the Evil Empire was the Reagan/CIA
agenda. World-wide Jihad is not.

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton, Jesse Jackson, and African-Americans
Date: 11 Sep 1992 19:46:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep11.072744.4463@ctr.columbia.edu>
a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu writes:
[stuff deleted]
}                                                   Maybe, now with 50+ days 
}to the election, Clinton is looking for a more balanced approach and an
}embracing of Jesse, I hope so.  This is crucial to get a high turn-out
}and assure a win.

Must Clinton embrace Jesse to ensure a high African American voter turnout?
I'd hate to think Jesse has that much control over us.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: eugenics, NY Times sep. 5
From: <GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 12 Sep 1992 02:05:27 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Please read New York Times front page sept. 5, 1992!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"..the Bush Administration has begun a research program, the Violence
Intiative" intended to find a link between crime and genes.

The newspaper article speaks of " 'identifying  indiviuals  who may be
predisposed to cerain kinds of criminal conduct, of isolating environmental
features which trigger those predispositions, and of treaing some
predispositions with drugs and unintusive therapies.' "

There was a more extensive article in The Amsterdam, a NY black weekly paper.

sorry to be so short and vague, but I had to get this posted.

Please, someone read the article and post in length.


Levi
ge0qc@cunyvm


Yep, this country's sick.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:24:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.131657.13727@gagme.chi.il.us>,
barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>
>*This* is a new one on me (knowledge of Paglia).  Do academics get
a tabloid that I don't know about (besides, of course, Spy)?
>
>She has been featured in the past year in the New Re ... ahem,
>THE NEW REPUBLIC and mm mm mmmm, she is a trip.
.
.
Just remember, hon.  Black folks know a lot...I read a lot.  I take
what I need and leave the rest.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:59:07 GMT

In article <stovall.715981389@ficus.cs.ucla.edu>,
stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
>HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>
>>My, aren't we grasping at straws...!  And deferring to the octopus
>>knowledge of the almighty FBI, yet....!
>>.
>
>Actually, it is mentioned in his file that he was given a 4F for,
>among other things, "sexual perversion"...
>
.
.
.
Is this the Clayborne Carson book on Malcolm's FBI files?  If so,
what page?
.
"Sexual perversion," huh?  But of course that would have meant pimp,
too.
.
My memory is dinging me on a chapter from the Haley book as well...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: eugenics, NY Times sep. 5
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 06:06:02 GMT
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In article <92256.020527GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET> GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>Please read New York Times front page sept. 5, 1992!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>"..the Bush Administration has begun a research program, the Violence
>Intiative" intended to find a link between crime and genes.

>The newspaper article speaks of " 'identifying  indiviuals  who may be
>predisposed to cerain kinds of criminal conduct, of isolating environmental
>features which trigger those predispositions, and of treaing some
>predispositions with drugs and unintusive therapies.' "

So what's wrong with that?

There are plenty of people claiming that criminal activity can be
correlated with mental disability and learning disorders, which are
often hereditary.  These are perfect examples of the people who would
be idenitified as children and who they would attempt to help then
instead of arresting them as adults.
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