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From: mouse@appleoz.apple.oz.au (Giovanna Ostacchini)
Subject: Re: Kung Fu (the TV show)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 04:36:02 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Australia Pty Ltd

In article <1993Jan19.050734.29538@den.mmc.com> hobbes@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com (Stephen Camp) writes:
>
>
>
>Regarding the old (and to be re-incarnated) TV show:  Kung Fu with David
>Carradine:  some questions
>
>1)  Is Carradine a martial artist?  I read that he was chosen over Bruce Lee
>	for the part which pissed Bruce off no end.  Supposedly Carradine
>	was a _dancer_ with no MA experience.  Is this true?

I'm not too sure about Carradine's previous history, but I don't think he
knew any MA before he became the lead in Kung Fu.
>
>2)  What style does Carradine use?  (forgive the wording)  Shaolin?  Tai Chai?
>	Pa Kua?  Some other?  TV-fu? 
>
Supposedly he is an exponent of "pure" Shaolin (I don't think there's many of
them around.  Feel free to correct me if this isn't true!8) )

>-- 
>
>Steve Camp
>(303)971-4379
>hobbes@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com


Mouse

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From: actize@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: $.02 - Confidence
Date: 26 Jan 1993 04:42:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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One important part of MA training has been overlooked by you commentators.
In an effort to curb juvenile delinquency some inner cities have started a 
basketball at midnight program.  In a kind of extreme case it allows kids to 
play basketball instead of being exposed to other more dangerous endevours.  
IMHO, the previously described incidents will happen in aracades no matter if 
you are a newbie or the founder of this-that-and-the-other.  In an aracade 
this type of randori or sparring occurs all the time.  If you have a dojo or 
dojang to go to instead, then there's no problem.  That's my personal point 
of view.  I would rather exist in one place and not the other.
From: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fighting against animals?
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:56:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: apollo.C1GxMH.20o
Reply-To: stave@apollo.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

In article <C1FLD2.EoJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
|> Basically, the only animal that we (humans) would most likely be
|> attacked by is a large dog.  And from experience, they sometimes like to
|> run and then leap at you.  Umm, how should I phrase this?  Are there any
|> books, or any info... or even an ART that teach how to defend against
|> animals?  I remember a long time ago, our neighbors had dobermans, and I

One mo' time...

The art is called "Veterinarian's Assistant Do"  I practiced it for
about two years.

If the dog is running at you *DON'T RUN AWAY* you can't outdistance
the dog, even a little one.  Stare at it.  Walk towards it.  Most
times (actually every time that I have done this) the dog will stop
advancing and may or may not continue barking.  Usually they are
just trying to make a point ("this is *my* property) and not trying
to hurt anyone.  About half the time after we reach this point I'm
able to get the dog to come over to be petted and we make friends
(much to the dismay of 2 or 3 of the owners who seemingly let the
dogs out to frighten me).

If the dog does attack the following always worked for me:
Arms up, forearms crossed in front of you, push out as the dog
jumps, bouncing the dog back from you, usually they will fall on
their back, which kind of startles them.  If they get up and jump
again, bounce 'em again.  After a few times they'll get tired and
stop.  For smaller dogs one knee up will do the same thing.  Don't
knee the dog in the head, there's no need to hurt it and get it
pissed off.   Just bounce its chest off your knee.

This worked for all dogs from a miniature schnauser to a mastiff
that outweighted me by 10 or 20 pounds.

CAVEATS: These dogs were not attack trained.  They were in a strange
place and scared, so they were only defending themselves.  If a dog
thinks that its master needs to be defended, many times it will *not*
give up until it sees that its master is not in danger.  The thing to
do in that case is to put distance between yourself and the person
that the dog is defending.

Joel Stave
Stave@apollo.hp.com
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From: ACC00LTR@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU (Leonard T Roberts)
Subject: Re: RAVEN and TV shows (was Re: Space Rangers
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:24:29 GMT

In article <C1AK4M.4q1@news.cs.andrews.edu>
maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier) writes:
 
>
>What about Brian Gennesse (sp?) from _Street Justice_?
>
>He has a long career as an actor in soaps, and his MA stuff is supposed
>to be legitimate.
>
The February 1993 issue of Karate/Kung-fu Illustrated has an article on
page 66-67 about Brian Genesse. He states in the article that he started
in TKD at 15 and earned a black belt. He says that since then he has studied
hung gar, Shaolin kung fu, muay Thai and kali.
 
The article also notes that Genesse had a continuing role in the soap opera
_The Bold and the Beautiful_, but that _Stree Justice_ is the first time he
has had a chance to use MA in an acting role.
 
Len Roberts
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From: Richard_Leo_Murtagh@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Judo in Silicon Valley ?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 23:37:35 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Does anyone know of a dojo or sensai in Silicon Valley (San Francisco south
bay) ?  There are lots of Karate and Kung Fu but I've been looking without 
much luck for a Judo dojo.  If you have any information please email me.

Thanks,

Dick
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From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Re: Fighting against animals
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:19:06 EST


...is often futile.

Actually I have a couple of good animal stories:  I won't vouch for their
veracity however.  

The brother of one of my teacher's was kind of nuts... he had a lot of reason
to be, considering his frequent and incapacitating epileptic (grand mal)
seizures.  He finally died of them when he was 45 years old.  Anyway, this guy
practiced no MA, except his own, which consisted of wearing a large military
overcoat that went all the way down to the tops of his engineering boots.  In
one pocket he carried sand, and in the other an ice pick.  The sand was to
throw in the opponent's face, and the ice pick...

Well, as my teacher says, his brother had a lot of what he describes as "sick
strength" that is, even without lifting weights, his brother had an enormous
amount of hand and arm strength.  One day they visited the Pittsburgh Zoo,
back before the days of the new and enlightened zoo.  They had large cages
with big bars and a buffer zone between the animals and the public.  His
brother became fascinated with a lion who was sleeping with his butt pushed up
against the bars, and so he jumped into the buffer region, grabbed onto the
lions tail right up near its hindquarters, braced himself against the wall
with his feet and yanked.  My teacher says that from a sound sleep, the lion
has his entire body clinging to the bars facing them and growling in just a
flash.  The tail was pulled out of his brother's hands so fast that he had
pain for days.  People are insane.

Then there was his story of a body builder friend who decided to test his
strength against a chimpanzee.  Apparently there do exist venues in which it
is possible to try you luck against a chimp or orangutan.  Anyway, the chimp
was muzzled because his teeth alone would end the game, but the chimp weighed
only about 140 pounds.  The body builder was about 200.  After a good deal of
frustration with getting socked with really hard chimp knuckles, the body
builder guy managed to get behind the chimp long enough to get a bear hug
around his arms.  As described by the BB-guy, he said "...he just screeched
and raised his arms, I felt like my arms were ripping out of their sockets..."

I just think animals are great--much more civilized than we in some ways.

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From: mholden@bcarh786.bnr.ca (Mark Holden)
Subject: Re: The Meaning Behind Style Names Summary: 
Reply-To: mholden@bcarh786.bnr.ca (Mark Holden)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:47:20 GMT



In article <1993Jan21.233755.24108@pixel.kodak.com>, nlund@kodak.com writes:

...

|> (Actually, via email, I have been informed of at least one karate-do
|> that seems to be a full combat system, with additional philosophical
|> trimmings added, so the statement I made above about not being "aware
|> of _any_" can now be presumed to be obsolete.  Isn't the net wonderful?)
|> 
|> Nate
|> nlund@kodak.com

Which style of karate-do would this be?

Mark
From: JBrandt@AAA.Uoregon.EDU (Pegasus)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Medieval Swords how to make info on
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:16:48 GMT
Organization: The Polyhedron Group
Distribution: world
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In article <9301261031.AA22252@hick.asd.contel.com>,
shick@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (steve hick) wrote:
> 
> In article <1993Jan23.021134.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca>, 
> comptec92024@camins.camosun.bc.ca writes:
> 
> > In article <1jo880$li@agate.berkeley.edu>, actize@garnet.berkeley.edu 
 
I don't know, if this is still in publication, but the periodical called
"Gladius"1961-?,it has many good articals on the medieval sword and it
construction. They all seem to have execelent notes and bibliographies.

I hope that this may help some

Pegasus
From: gee@col.hp.com (Ken Gee)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aikido vs. kicks
Date: 26 Jan 1993 20:44:03 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
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	Aikido entries can work very well against kicks, and once you have
entered, there are the usual variety of techniques you can perform.  The
main problem with Aikido and kicks is that we don't practice entering on kicks
very much.  The other problem is that since we don't teach kicks in Aikido,
its hard to find an uke who kicks well enough to provide more than just ele-
mentary practice.  I've approached the problem by working out at another
that teaches a kicking art.  The biggest difficulty I've found is learning to
read the kick soon enough to enter effectively.

Ken
From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Scot Hatcher)
Subject: Private Acupuncture Discussions
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:50:11 GMT


If anyone would like to participate in private
discussions of acupuncture and how it relates
to the martial arts, please send a request to

	acupuncture-request@virginia.edu

and I will include you in the discussions.  I
am keeping this private so only the truly
interested will be involved.

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From: haworth@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dwight A. Haworth)
Subject: Re: Puzzled - History of Korean MAs
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:38:59 GMT

burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu  writes:
> In article <1993Jan18.204220.2571@massey.ac.nz> M.J.Wright@massey.ac.nz (M.J. Wright) writes:
> >The martial arts tradition in Korea is traced back some 2000 years to 
> >the Hwa-Rang-Do, a sort of Knights of the Round Table outfit during the 
> >wars of the three kingdoms.  The traditions have been fairly well 
> >continous since then, although they have had different names and specific 
> >styles have come and gone (Secret Palace Gaurd Kickass-Do, Aristocratic
> >Nobleman Headcrack-Dool, Peasant Weapon Plough Techniques, etc).
> 
> Ok, where's your proof?  Name your sources.  I've looked this stuff up
> and I can't find anything.
> 
> Dakin
> burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

For a reference to the Hwarang, refer to J. S. Gale's _History_of_the_
Korean_People_ published by the Royal Asiatic Society, 1972.  It was a
long term training school for the youth of the Silla dynasty.

Gale's history covers the diplomatic and court history of Korea from the
earliest times up to the Japanese Occupation.  Naturally, some of the
military history is also covered :-) .

-- 
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haworth@cwis.unomaha.edu        | a systems problem is solved -- the solution
                                | is wrong, even dangerously wrong."
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From: rterry@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Ray Terry)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The Meaning Behind Style Names
Date: 24 Jan 93 05:56:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino

>"Kara" as currently written by most (but not all) karate systems means
>"empty". "Te" means "hand". "Karate-do" means "Empty hand way". 
>The current method of writing "karate" was first introduced by
>Chomo Hanagi in 1904 and popularized by Gichin Funakoshi (the father
>of Japanese karate) beginning in the 1920s.

According to Funakoshi (as I recall from this autobio), he changed the Kara
in Kara-Te from China to Empty.  Before Funakoshi, Kara-Te meant China Hand.

Ray
From: actize@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Weak Fingers & Separated Shoulders
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:07:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
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For weak fingers/grips I do pushups on my fingers.  It also is harder
on the arms/shoulders/chest to do these pushups as compared to regular
pushups. Mainly because of the difficulty of the down position.

I've experimented with a lot of home exercises to help a separated
shoulder.  The best exercise I've found is tossing a tennis ball against
a wall.  It might sound like double-talk, yet this exercise works !
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: difference between quarterstaff and jo?
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:49:46 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: gamiddle@math.uwaterloo.ca's message of 20 Jan 93 21:08:13 GMT


In article <C1681q.Ln6@math.uwaterloo.ca> gamiddle@math.uwaterloo.ca (Guy Middleton) writes:

   Does anybody know how the mediaeval European quarterstaff was used?
   I'd like to see if there is any similarity to jo-jitsu techniques.

I believe the European quarterstaff is rather longer than the jo.  If
this is so, there are a number of jo techniques (most particularly 
reverses) that would be impossible to do with a quarterstaff.  I 
suppose a bo would be a better analog, but I have no idea if bo
and quarterstaff techniques are at all similar.
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From: joshg@athena.mit.edu (Josh Gagliardi)
Subject: Re: MARTIAL FARTS!?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:45:24 GMT

I once had a Japanese judo teacher who would respond to this question as
he did to many others we smelling-like-butter westerners would ask:
"More rice."
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From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Fights and blackbelt confidence
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:59:28 GMT

In article <30324@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, hogue@cs.arizona.edu (Justin C. Hogue) says most sayishly:
>In article <memo.881091@cix.compulink.co.uk> bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>>I'd be interested to know (from a wide sample of people) how fights start.
>>
>  This oughta make you think....
> At an arcade, two guys my size hog the game from me and some kids.  After 
[story]

This is why I make it a point to myself never to be "obtrusive" until
I'm at least a 3rd gup.  By obtrusive, I mean if someone says something
"Hey asshole, blah blah blah" and I reply "Hah!  <sarcastic response>".
Or as Jowfus said, "That's not fair."  Whether you're being sarcastic or
sincere or mean, the person you're addressing may or may not take it
offensively and decided to try to kick your ass.

I know one kid (a 16-year old, I believe) who is VERY aggressive and
mean and stupid.  Someone will say something and he'll (the 16yearold..
we'll call him Dork). :)   Anyway, someone will say something and Dork
will misinterpret it, either deliberately or not, and start a fight.
i.e. "You better shut up, I'll have ta beat your ass."  And if the other
person gets pissed, then it's a fight.  Dork has no fighting ethics.
He'll keep punching and kicking until the person is down, then he'll
keep kicking them in the sides, and when the victim says "Ok, stop!",
Dork will just say "Don't get smart with me!" and keep kicking.  He's
also messed around with my friends, too.  Needless to say, I have this
little "things to do when I'm a blackbelt" list, and Dork is on it. :)

While we're on the topic, I know blackbelts aren't invincible or
anything, but I think it's a confidence thing.  I know that, personally,
after I had gone through years of training and had become a blackbelt,
I'd feel pretty good about myself and sure as hell wouldn't hesitate to
talk back to someone who was giving me a hard time.  Now I'm just a
white belt, and when someone starts hassling me, I remain unobtrusive
and just take it, which I don't really like doing.  This doesn't mean
that when I'm a blackbelt, and someone bugs me, I'd throw them across
the room.  As our instructor said, avoid a fight at all costs, but if
you have to fight, do what you must.  I don't think I'd be egging him
on, but if someone started making rude comments about my best friend,
I'm not going to sit there and not say anything (as I do now. me wimp!
:).  Any one else feel this way?

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From: maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier)
Subject: Re: RAVEN and TV shows (was Re: Space Rangers
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:19:33 GMT

What about Brian Gennesse (sp?) from _Street Justice_?

He has a long career as an actor in soaps, and his MA stuff is supposed
to be legitimate.
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Is chi/ ki real?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:17:29 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
  +
  +	Yah, that's it:telekinesis.  It, along with the curative properties,
  +are being studied at the Beijing University physics department. Check
  +them out for details.  They had one guy go through who was 'pretty good
  +with his Chi' who would give up to thirty hour lectures in which his
  +listeners, he claimed, 'fed off of his Chi' so they could stay and
  +not go to the bathroom, eat, etc.  I think he gave an 18 hour lecture at
  +Beijing University a few years back.

I see.  It sounds like you're referring to Yan Xin, rumors of which
that he's not so welcomed in China anymore.  Oh well.

Terry Chan
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Subject: <None>
From: estep@ab.wvnet.edu
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:09:00 -0500
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

Hello ,

 I am a Martial Artist in a small town in Philippi West Virginia.  I have been
studying  the old world style of Tae Kwon Do for almost 4 years and grew up
with a brother that is a black belt in the International style. We also 
incorporate a little Jujitsu, Wing Chung, White Dragon, and judo in our
 training. I am looking for people to discuss different styles and the
prevalent attitude that one style is better than another instead of it comming
down to the technician that is using his style.

I can be reached by Email at Estep@ab.wvnet.edu

Please reply.

                                              Tim Estep
From: dsr@bnr.co.uk (D.S.Riches)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Judo: Which Throw
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:57:18 GMT
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In article <1k705uINNle8@male.EBay.Sun.COM> scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>
>Sounds more like a variation to the "Corner Throw".
>I'm stuck for the name just now.

Isn't that Sumi Gaeshi?  I was going to say nothing like it :-) but if
you don't sit down for the sacrifice bit then I can see what you mean.
   Dave Riches
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From: maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier)
Subject: Re: Hung Gar in Boston?
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:53:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.184750.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> birmingh@fnalo.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.184706.23383@exu.ericsson.se>, exudms@exu.ericsson.se (New Dave) writes:
>> Any Hung Gar still in the Boston area?
>
>         This isn't a fish pun, is it?

Probably not.  This is supposed to be the style of Brian Gennesse (sp?).

BTW, for those of you who don't know, he's the guy in _Street Justice_
>
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From: tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus)
Subject: Re: difference between quarterstaff and jo?
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:25:18 GMT


garry@alice.UUCP (Garry Hodgson) writes:

>I vaguely recall reading that the length of the jo should be such that
>it comfortably fits under your armpit while standing.  I'm not familiar
>enough with jo technique (my staff training is with bo) to know whether
>there are technical reasons for this length.  I do note, however,
>that this length would allow it to be used as an impromptu crutch
>after a particlarly grueling workout :-)


    For one, anything much larger would make reversals difficult.
    Hold a jo in the center with one hand, and flip it clockwise
    and counter-clockwise.  You should be able to grasp either end
    of the jo with your free hand at the appropriate times. 
    In aikido these grips have separate names; if the hand in the 
    center is index-finger-forward ("pool-cue" grip) it is "shite"
    and if the center hand is pinky-finger-forward is called "gyakte" 
    (reverse grip).  I prefer gyakte myself, it feels stronger --

      -- Ted --

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