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From: M16146@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Absolute beginner seems helping hand
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:23:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.180420.28801@maths.tcd.ie>            There has been an FAQ for Packet Radio posted monthly in the past - don't remem
tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) writes:                   ber seeing it lately.  The latest copy I have (version 1.5) says you can get it
                                                             from ftp.cs.buffalo.edu.  You do need a license, they are not overly difficult
>Is there an FAQ for this newsgroup?                         for beginning licenses in most countries.  Good luck, but don't try anything w
>If so, I probably should apologise                         ithout a proper license.
>for polluting your wave-band with this.                    Vern Eubanks, AA7EI, Sierra Vista, AZ
>
>I'm interested in linking 2 computers by radio
>rather than over the telephone.
>I assume that is what packet radio is for.
>
>On looking into it, it seemed that before one could do this
>one had to pass some sort of amateur radio test.
>Is that the case everywhere?
>I went to a couple of meetings of local radio-hams,
>but basically we weren't on the same wavelength.
>They spent their time twiddling knobs and soldering.
>And they spoke in this sort of techno-esperanto.
>
>Now I'm not prejudiced.
>Some of my best friends have soldering irons.
>But I don't want to spend my twilight years
>listening to white noise from South America.
>
>So my question is, can I not just buy 2 of these radio-modems
>and forget about the authorities?
>And if I can,
>what sort of money are we taking about?
>And how far can I shout?
>
>Any hints (or evern FAQ's) gratefully received.
>
>--
>Timothy Murphy
>e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie
>tel: +353-1-2842366
>s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
From: f_riskph@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: MFJ-1270 on HF?
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:09:05 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I've been told that only a minor mod in baud rate is necessary to use an MFJ
1270 TNC on HF.  Is that true?  If so what's required?

Paul  N1DJD
73..


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From: gerry@bluemoon.rn.com (Gerard M. Foley)
Subject: Packet Radio any use?
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 11:03:22 EDT

   I agree with comments about packet radio being slow and
backward, but the messages I send on it often get through,
in weeks if not days.  On the land-line nets I find an awful
lot of what I send comes back because the route has disappeared.

gerry@bluemoon.rn whose home bbs has trouble getting the 
mail out sometimes, so it may go here instead.
From: glenne@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glenn Elmore)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:34:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Link between BBS via Amateur Radio
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrie Aldrich)
Subject: Help/advice sought
Organization: Vision Graphics
              Dover NH
              USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:07:27 GMT

I am interested in exploring the world of ham-radio, and interfacing this
to my computer in order to access the internet and other computer systems.

I'm a 'newbie' and really haven't a clue as to where to start.  I need
information regarding equipment and its respective costs, how to locate
a site to 'hook-up to', software to use, licensing, and anything else
involved.

I would be very grateful if someone would help me get started here.  Likewise,
if there's a FAQ for this group, I would appreciate getting that sent to
me as well.

Please respond via email... I'm working at getting this group fed in my 
news (which will be a little while).

Thanks in advance,

Forrest Aldrich

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From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Subject: Want to run Mac+ from a DC source... info?
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:24:26 GMT

Hi,

I'm interested in converting my mac+ to run off a DC source, i.e., bypass the
power supply inside and run the machine from a 5/12 VDC source.  This
way, I could use it as a mobile radio station or for emergency purposes.
(Running it solar/car/battery).

Has anybody done this, or heard of anybody doing this?  If so, could you
please email me what you know?  I have schematics and other technical
information, but it's good to hear about others' experience too.

Thanks,
-Brent
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Subject: SOLVED:  running mac+ from DC source/car battery
Summary:  Use an inverter.
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:10:30 GMT


Thanks to all who replied to my note; the suggestions were all the same and
they were simply, "use an inverter."  

I never thought too much about an inverter because I don't know too much
about them.  However, it does seem that using an inverter would use more
current than a car battery -> 12V/5V filtered converter.  I don't know.

Once again, thanks, and I'll look into some of these inverter kits people
mentioned.

-Brent
Xref: sparky rec.radio.amateur.packet:2280 rec.radio.amateur.misc:14563
From: root@cvbnet.prime.com (cvbnet)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Shorting Nicad batteries to revive them...
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:05:49 GMT

From article <1992Aug25.160421.18902@tamsun.tamu.edu>, by bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent):
 
> You will never get a NiCad cell revived to an adequate performance level.
> The easiest thing you can do is buy a new cell and install it.  New cells
> are only $2-$3 anyway.
 
I have a couple of dead ICOM battery packs.

Does anyone know how to get the packs apart?

Does anyone know where I can get replacement cells?

Is this possible at all with the likes of BP8's etc????

Thanks, joe
From: Doug_Crompton@mindlink.bc.ca (Doug Crompton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: Packet w/HP95 Palm Top
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:55:14 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> JEFF ZELL NK3O writes:
> 
> Msg-ID: <1992Aug25.205323.28749@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
> Posted: 25 Aug 92 20:53:23 GMT
> 
> Org.  : AT&T-BL,READING,PA.
> 
> Jeff writes:
> 
>         Has anyone put this handy little item on packet?
>         What does it take?
>         Is there a pocket TNC that will work with this puppy?
>         So far I am impressed with it.
>         Articles posted that someone has saved.

See "A Plethoric Packet Present" by Buck Rogers, K4ABT in the December 1991
issue of CQ magazine.  This article describes the combining of an Alinco F1
with a PacComm HandiPacket and the HP 95LX.

                        Doug (VE7FGU)
From: sbnelson@attmail.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Current state of Packet Radio
Date: 1 Sep 1992 06:06:12 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

I have been off the air since all the good things have been happening in
packet like S&F mailboxes, TCP/IP, and other things like that.  I have a
Heathkit TNC if that tells you how out of date I am with things.

Is there a document you can send me that will tell me about what has been
happening?  I am a computer programmer (op. sys internals) so they can (and
hopefully are) be technically oriented.

P.S.:  I thought packet was supposed to be error free; when I send or receive
messages to/from the states, even the headers have errors: parts lost and
parts repeated.  I've received a message four times even though my friend sent
it once.

Thanks
Scott Nelson, OE3ZNS (WA6BLF in the states)

sbnelson@Attmail.com
oe3zns@oe3xbs.aut.eu

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: markz@ssc.wa.com (Mark Zenier)
Subject: Re: New packeteer frustration
Organization: SSC, Inc., Seattle, WA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:37:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.150632.7278@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>Piccolo and Clover are not PSK, but they also aren't a single 300 baud FSK
>carrier either and they are illegal under the current rules. Transmission
>of multiple carriers in the same band by the same station is forbidden.

The ARRL says it's legal in "The FCC Rulebook" in the Emissions chapter
in the RTTY subsection.  Piccolo is not multiple carrier, but a
multifrequency FSK system with only one frequency at a time.

Clover seems to be mutating.  The first description was of a variable
baud rate PSK, but Clover II seems to be something else.

Mark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com  

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From: ifjrs@acad3.alaska.edu (John Stannard)
Subject: Re: Link between BBS via Amateur Radio
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:21:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.220803.14284@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, mancus@norm.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) writes:
> In article <17gsrjINN9pn@network.ucsd.edu>, brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) writes:
>> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>> >I would like to know if it is already done or not, to use
>> >Ham radio to link stations in a BBS network.
> 
>   Nonsense.  You are making assumptions about using 1200 baud VHF links.
> We can achieve much higher bandwidths using good compression strategies
> and by moving up into the microwave region.  My reading so far indicates
> that 30-40 mile microwave links running 10 Mbit/sec should be possible
> without outrageous investments.

	Oh Right!  Let's see...between me and Fairbanks, that would mean
only about 12 to 16 new sites and their associated equipment...what was
	that about "hams don't have barrels of money to burn"?
How much would you estimate the cost of ONE complete microwave station,
incl. hardware, software and/or node/tcp-ip setup?  I've already spent
thousands already just setting up HF/VHF equipment at this QTH for packet
use as a bbs/forwarding station--not to mention what I'm putting into
trying to get 9600 baud use (rigs/modems/tncs) going.

Well, let's see...I forgot I've got two major mountain ranges to cross,
one with a 20,400 mountain to cross...yes, we've used knife-edge on 2m
to get across before...but microwave?  Better add 10 or so more sites,
just to make sure...

>   The existing packet network is very poor, but that's just because
> it's dated.  Technology very quickly becomes obsolete these days, and
> we hams don't have barrels of money to burn.
>   Ultimately, the packet network needs to put its backbones up in the
> microwave region and run Internet speeds.
> 
> -- 
>  Keith Mancus    <mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov>                         |
>                  N5WVR                                                  |
>   "If I owned Texas and I owned Hell, I'd rent out Texas and live       |
>   in Hell." -General Sheridan                                           |
-- 
--

John Stannard
ifjrs@acad3.alaska.edu		BITNET:  IFJRS@ALASKA
KL7JL@KL7JL.AK.USA.NA		kl7jl.ampr.org  [44.22.0.1]

"God is the Answer!"   "Oh?? ... er, ... What was the Question?"

--
From: michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: Shorting Nicad batteries to revive them...
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:51:03 GMT
Reply-To: michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann)
Organization: Broadcast Sports Technology, Crofton. Maryland.

In article <BtGJqv.50p@news.cso.uiuc.edu> btbg1194@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bradley T Banko) writes:
 >According to one explanation of why Nicad batteries die that I've heard,
 >small metal whiskers grow across the electrodes with use, and eventually
 >develop a short which prevents the battery from holding a charge or from
 >being charged.
 >
 >The solution is to charge the battery as best is as possible, and then
 >*short* the battery terminals for a brief (?) time which is supposed to
 >melt these whiskers (and I suppose the metal flows back to the electrode
 >of origin).
 >
 >Has anybody done this?  What exactly have you done?

A better way is to charge up a capacitor then discharge it through the
nicad. The heavy current pulse blows away the whiskers. Using a
capacitor allows you to control the amount of energy you apply to the
task. Start with a small cap and go up till it works.


-- 
Michael Katzmann	  >	Broadcast Sports Technology Inc.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~	 <	Crofton, Maryland. U.S.A
Amateur Radio Stations:   >
NV3Z / VK2BEA / G4NYV	 <	opel!vk2bea!michael@uunet.uu.net
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From: btbg1194@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bradley T Banko)
Subject: Baycom source code available?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:32:23 GMT

Is the Baycom software source code available anywhere?  Since Baycom
won't work on a number of PC clones because the serial port implementations
are variable, it should be possible to modify the source code to adapt
it to some of the more popular clone multi-function cards so that it
can be used.

Thanks for any leads.  (Of course I could try to make contact with
with the original authors in Germany, but maybe somebody else has already
done this?)

KB8CNE, Brad Banko


-- 
Brad Banko;  Dept of Physics;  U of Illinois;  b-banko@uiuc.edu, KB8CNE
=========================================================================
TI NUCLEAR MAGNETIC RESONANCE IMAGING OF CHOCOLATE CONFECTIONERY AND THE
   SPATIAL DETECTION OF POLYMORPHIC STATES OF COCOA BUTTER IN CHOCOLATE
From: WJS@cu.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: AMTOR/BITNET
Date: 28 Aug 1992 09:41:24 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

I'M LOOKING FOR A GATEWAY BETWEEN BITNET AND AMTOR.  MY WIFE
HAS  HER  GENERAL  LICENCE (KA3ZHW) AND WOULD LIKE TO USE AN
AEA PAKRATT-232 TO COMMUNICATE  THRU  THE  AMTOR  SYSTEM  TO
BITNET.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON SUCH A GATEWAY???

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: tonyg@spock.retix.com (Tony "Salty Dog" Goulding)
Subject: Ham-weenie question
Organization: Retix, Santa Monica CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:50:52 GMT

Hey ho!
I've just been reading some FAQ stuff, but I'm not sure its answered my
question.  So, here it is, like it or not.  If not, please email direct.
Ta.

My dad is a ham (his jokes are pretty bad too) and he's in Wales (U.K.).
His call sign is GW3GWA, for anyone who's interested (yeah, he's been
going since before the Blitz...).
He has a bunch of gear set up for morse and voice communication both
locally on 2m and worldwide.  
I'm not a ham, and have no license, but would like to communicate with
him.  Assuming that he set up a rig and his computer for packet radio,
is there any way he could send info that I could receive on the Internet
(ie, to my email address) and vice-versa?  I suppose I'm talking about
an internet-based gateway of some sort that could do the conversion.
Could this scenario exist without my requiring a license?

Thank you so much.
Tony.

-- 
Tony [All views expressed are mine - if anyone is to blame its me]
==================================================================
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind.  Or not to have a mind is
being very wasteful.  How true that is" Vice President Dan Quayle
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: chk@alias.com (C. Harald Koch)
Subject: Packet driver for Excelan
Organization: Alias Research, Inc., Toronto ON Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:49:33 GMT

I'm looking for a packet driver so that I can use NOS on a 286 with an
Excelan EXOS 205 Ethernet card. Does anyone know where I can find one?

Please reply by mail; If there's interest I'll summarize to the net.

	Thanks!

--
"You are at wit's end.      | C. Harald Koch  Alias Research, Inc. Toronto, ON
Passages lead off in all    | chk@alias.com                (work-related mail)
directions..."  -related by | chk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca     (permanent address)
    Bryan Manske, 13-Aug-92 | VE3TLA@VE3OY.#SCON.ON.CA.NA            (AMPRNet)
From: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: Link between BBS via Amateur Radio
Date: 27 Aug 1992 21:34:57 GMT
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

In article <1992Aug27.202805.17419@watson.ibm.com> uri@watson.ibm.com writes:
>Yeah, sure... 
>And just when do you think this wish will become true?

Well, with attitudes like yours, never.

Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way!
	- Brian
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From: wkt@rodos1.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey)
Subject: Re: UCSD claiming to be gateway to amateur TCP/IP
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:59:28 GMT

From article <rvcn1q.al@netcom.com>, by al@netcom.com (Al):
> I notice that UCSD.EDU is advertising the IP addresses of 11417 amateurs
> in the ampr.org domain.  Does anyone know if these sites are REALLY
> reachable via the internet?  mirrorshades.ucsd.edu claims to be a gateway,
> but it doesn't seem to be.
> 
> I'd like to locate some worm hole operators if any would come forward.
> (Or is there a list in QST somewhere?)

I'm one. I help run the Wormhole gateway for the ACT region in Australia
[ 44.136.0.x to 44.136.7.x ]. mirrorshades.ucsd.edu is indeed gating packets
between the amateurs and the Internet.

However, you may not be able to reach some/all of the amateurs serviced
by the wormholes from the Internet for political reasons: allowing (possible)
non-amateurs to use amateur frequencies here in Australia is illegal. Packets
from the Internet eventually pass over amateur frequencies to get to their
destination. Thus, we have decided to setup barriers to the packets
originating from the Internet.

In other words, mirrorshades will pass your packets to us, we will discard
them. Your mileage may vary with other wormholes, but I doubt it!

Sorry for the wet blanket.


  Warren Toomey VK1XWT, on the path to insanity
  No longer in the bowels of ADFA Comp Science.
   `Version 7 Job Control: just use ptrace(2).'
Xref: sparky rec.radio.amateur.packet:2324 rec.radio.amateur.policy:1560
From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: BBS via Amateur radio content restrictions -- ACT NOW
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:02:38 GMT

coleve@cc.uvcc.edu writes:
>The proposed rule modifies 97.113(a)(2) to read: [no amateur station shall
>transmit:] Communications in which the station licensee or control operator
>have a pecuniary interest...
>This will make it possible for my station to transmit "business" traffic 
>provided I do not profit from it.  It is a necessary step which must be
>applauded and supported.  

>The problem is that the rule changes in other areas do not go far enough...
>We can transmit notification of ham gear for sale or trade "provided that such
>activity is not conducted on a regular basis". This would prohibit a
>rec.radio.amateur.forsale newsgroup -- since newsgroups operate on a "regular
>basis."  Other .forsale groups would seem to be legal provided all traffic was
>third party -- no ham can post his own stuff.  (The language also seems to
>prohibit a regular "swap net" on 2 meter phone.)

If individual stations are given responsibility for messages (and relaying
stations alleviated of responsibility) then rec.radio.amateur.forsale would
be OK; individual stations would be prohibited from using "cron" to post
regular forsale announcements, but no one forwarding messages regularly
would violate anything.

>The prohibition against transmitting music is still unclarified.  The direct
>problem of music in space shuttle re-broadcasts was considered and rejected, 
>however, the FCC did suggest that "Interested parties...may comment regarding
>whether transmissions of music should be allowed."  I firmly believe that the
>wording should permit incedental transmission of music.

I do to, but I have a suspicion that the FCC is concerned that they'll see
dozens of pirate broadcasters take root in the ham bands.  "Oh, well, I was
just pretending to be a DJ in my ham shack, and the mike accidently got stuck
open while I was playing records!  Yeah, that's the ticket!  It was incidental
to my spending 3 solid weeks tuning up a really fussy antenna!"

>Another sticky point is the proscription against "obscene, indecent, or
>profane language."  Does the phone company have a similar restriction on their
>microwave radios?

The Phone Company is a "common carrier" and is absolved of all responsibility
for what they carry.  Apparently the current FCC Chairman FIRMLY BELIEVES that
the Government has a definite interest in clean language, so relaxation of that
rule seems unlikely.
Xref: sparky rec.radio.amateur.packet:2334 rec.radio.amateur.misc:14912
From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New packeteer frustration
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:14:30 EDT
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

In article <1992Aug26.152610.7395@ke4zv.uucp>, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
> In article <5905.2a9a3a10@hayes.com> bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug21.211505.9031@src.umd.edu>, tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) writes:
>>> 
>>> I understand bandwidth limits, but if we can put 9600 bps into the
>>> same bandwidth as "CQ DX...your 59, 73! CQ DX...," then we should!
>>
>>Note that the above CQ DX would have to occur in CW. After all, the
>>digital transmissions don't occur in the voice subbands, they occur
>>in the digital subbands. 
> 
> Strictly speaking that's not completely true. CW is a digital mode
> and it is permitted *anywhere* on the amateur bands. 

The original post indicated that you could move a lot of data through a
"CQ DX your 59, 73" type of contact bandwidth. I merely pointed out that
such a contact would have to take place in CW, since voice would not
be permitted in the same bandwidth as the digital equivalent.

After all, if you intend to occupy the same piece of spectrum with a
new-fangled digital signal instead of an older mode "useless" type
QSO, your digital signal better be legal in that spectrum. I don't
think the original poster realised this.

Read carefully, Gary. Carefully.


> Then there's
> SSTV, it's not voice, but is allowed in the voice bands. In fact
> it's only allowed in the voice bands. SSTV is an interesting case
> as well because it is in practice a digital signal transmitted by a
> frequency and amplitude shifted carrier. 

SSTV is not a digital signal at all, but an analog one. It is not
transmitting digital information, but analog information. If the input
information happens to conform to discrete levels, that does not make
it digital information.

Hence, the place SSTV has earned in our bands, amoung the "analog" 
subband.

-- 
Bill Coleman, AA4LR                ! CIS: 76067,2327    AppleLink: D1958
Principal Software Engineer        ! Packet Radio: AA4LR @ W4QO
Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. ! UUCP: uunet!hayes!bcoleman
POB 105203 Atlanta, GA 30348 USA   ! Internet: bcoleman%hayes@uunet.uu.net
Disclaimer: "My employer doesn't pay me to have opinions."
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