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From: shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Two new FAQ panels (for editing): Panel 1 for dealing with flamewars
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:33:05 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <15451@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.191048.19593@netcom.com> shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) writes:
>|Heck, if Eugene were to do the same thing for ba.singles, I'd probably
>|send him a dozen roses.
> 
>And I if were to do the same thing for ba.singles Teri would probably demand
>that I return the Cisco Interop party hat.
>
Doggone it John, now you've let the cat out of the bag!  Now I'm going
to get inundated with requests for Cisco Interop party hats, and I'm 
going to have to disappoint each and every one.  I had to call in my last 
few favors just to get yours.

I've got it!  If I get more than, say, 5 requests for Cisco Interop
party hats, you'll wear yours to the next Boink, so that everyone can
see it, right?  Maybe we can even get a picture of you wearing it into
the group of travelling net.folks pictures that are making the rounds
of the various Boinks, thanks to Rob Thurlow.....

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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Attractive Nuisance (was: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions)
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:47:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

>If you look at the previous posting and other postings by other people,
>you will note that I and others turn to the courts and lawmakers to acertain 
>this responsibility.  You don't like answers like this, since you have
>claimed that they are legal arguments, not moral arguments.  

You're close:  I don't accept such answers since I'm not looking for
legal advice.  The net is almost always a good source of opinions to
support or question existing law; it's too bad that you have nothing
to offer here.  But that's what I've come to expect of you and yours.

>Again, this is the answer you will get from me; you have received a number of
>answers from other people.  They are all well reasoned responses.  Labeling
>them as "pompous assertions" and then whining that noone ever answers you
>only indicates that you can never be answered in a way which you will not
>discard.

Actually, only you were pompous; the others ranged from unresponsive to
hostile.

>>Can you provide a specific reference?  I promise I won't be so rude as
>>to term it "blather".

>But you would be so rude to call me a jerk and describe my responses as
>pompous?  

You *are* a pompous jerk; whether or not I so indicate doesn't change
reality.

>[ I have run out of steam responding to your quasi-claims to have some
>perfect knowledge of something which no one else understands -- this 
>"fee simple absolute" which you have bandied about.  I am also tired
>of hearing that noone anwers you, when you deny all answers.  So I will 
>not respond to any more of your posts on this matter.  Go ahead, have
>the last word. ]

I *very* seriously doubt that no one else understands my arguments based
on fee ownership of property.  I find it much easier to believe that you
don't understand it.

And, yes, I will take the last word.  Neener-neener.  But don't worry,
because I'm sure that another member of your fascist tag-team will
step into the breech with a fistful of rationale for why *you* must
be right.  Drivelers are temporary, but drivel is eternal.

BTW:  "no one" is two words.  Learn to walk before you try to fly.
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SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
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From: aegl@ossi.com (Tony Luck)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Information on balloon rides
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:03:18 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: nym.ossi.com

kob@leland.Stanford.EDU (Walter Kob) writes:
>I would be interested in taking a balloon ride in Napa Valley. I noticed
>that there are several tour organizers and I'm wondering if someone could
>give me some recommendations for a good organizer (prices, dependability,
>attractive program).

I took a ride with "Balloons above the valley" earlier this year.  Can't
give you any comparative stuff, since I've only taken the one ride.

First of all ... it was great fun, I'm glad I tried it.

The bad news about balloon rides that there is a lot of hassle ... for
safety reasons they can only launch in near perfect weather, anything
above a few miles per hour of wind and they cancel. (launching is fine,
its the landing that gets exciting ... those balloons that just float
in the air weigh many tons ... thats a lot of momentum and kinetic
energy ... and they have no brakes apart from friction between them
and the ground after they hit).  To optimize their chance of a launch
the balloon companies schedule rides for just after dawn (when the
air is usually quit still).  In the summer this means you need to be
in the Napa Valley ready for your ride at about 5am.  Weather forecasting
technology may be able to tell you that tomorrow is definitely out ... but
it isn't precise enough to tell you than winds will be in the critical
0-5 mph range.  So, you may drag yourself out of bed, and drive to Napa
in the middle of the night, only to discover that you are not flying today.
I guess that most people get lucky and fly first time ... I was cancelled
once, and made it second time.  One guy I was talking to waiting for the
first ride had been cancelled out by the weather SIX times.

Prices ... I think that it was about $90 per person (for a one hour ride
followed by champagne breakfast at Marie Callendars).


-Tony Luck <aegl@ossi.com>
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Attractive Nuisance (was: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions)
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:11:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <184161@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:

>In article <1992Nov6.013614.2737@eagercon.com> eager@eagercon.com writes:
>>First, lets knock down some straw men.  The rights of property owners have
>>never been constant, for centuries or otherwise.  They are continually being
>>refined and defined by courts.  This is not new.

>    You left off the concept that, even in the United States, a
>    property owner does NOT have full and exclusive rights to
>    private property.  
>
>    There have been several Supreme Court decisions that establish that a
>    private property owner may have to give UP rights if there is 
>    a national interest at stake.  This has been used to obtain
>    property rights for freeways, railroads, etc. etc.
>
>    There are also other restrictions on private rights due to water
>    rights, timber rights, mineral rights, etc. etc.
>
>    Some of these are national issues, some are local issues.  There
>    are even sunshine laws, zonings, SID's etc. etc. that clearly
>    establish precedents that the rights of individual owners are
>    ALWAYS subordinate to public safety, beauty, issues and/or the
>    rights of neighbors.    
>
>    Not that (Michael Zimmers) has a clue about any of this.

If you weren't so busy being obnoxious, you'd have had time to read
a post I made last week identifying some of the very things that
you mentioned.

Why are you liberals so hostile to those who question your right
to interfere with our lives?


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From: rickk@public.BTR.COM (Rick)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: getting to SFO from South bay
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:59:15 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

I've used AIRPORT CONNECTION -- at least half a dozen times, probably
more like a dozen by now -- they are generally reliable on the pickup
(haven't been more than 5 minutes late, and that only once) for getting
to the airport.  About a 20 minute wait at the airport for coming back.
Rates seem reasonable and competitive.  Peninsula number is 415:363-1500.

(Usual disclaimer -- no personal interest in company)

Rick


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Newsgroups: ba.general,ba.transportation
From: adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt)
Subject: Re: getting to SFO from South bay
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:54:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.215111.3190@acuson.com>, kuo@acuson.com (Ray Kuo) writes:
|> Does anyone know of shuttle busses which run from the Mountain View
|> area to SF airport?  Or is Caltrain the best way to go?

I've used CalTrain before.  You take it to one of either Belmont or
Broadway or Millbrae and transfer to SamTrans bus 7F or 7B or 3B (in
that order).

I used the Broadway/7B combination and it's the one I'd recommend if
you're doing train->bus->airport.  The bus stop is right *at* the train
station!  Check w/the SamTrans/CalTrain hotline for train and bus
connection times at 1-(800)-660-4BUS.

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Newsgroups: ba.general
From: trulsm@sco.COM (Truls Myklebust)
Subject: Housemate wanted, Felton
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: ca
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 19:54:00 GMT



Housemate wanted to share 2BR, 1BA house in Felton, in a nice and quiet
neighborhood near SLV high.

	- Walk-in closets.
	- Sunny garden.
	- Cat ok.
	- No smoking.

The rent is $430.- per month, plus half of utilities.

If you're interested, please contact me at work at 427-7533, or at home
at 335-3958.

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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Owls
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:37:11 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Nov6.191946.4023@src.dec.com> reimer@src.dec.com (Dean Reimer) writes:
>Yes, pigeons are afraid of owls.  I have seen many a pigeon roosting next to one
>of those plastic owls.  Buy a real owl.  That'll work!
 
Or a Goshawk.  Then watch them as they hit the pigeons in midair after a long
dive.  It's pretty wild watching them do this.

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From: charleen@net.bio.net (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Two new FAQ panels (for editing): Panel 1 for dealing with flamewars
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:06:34 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Biology

In article <1992Nov12.185146.24673@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.191048.19593@netcom.com> shannah@netcom.com
>(Teri Miller) writes:
>>Heck, if Eugene were to do the same thing for ba.singles, I'd probably
>>send him a dozen roses.
>
>Sorry, I don't read ba.singles (except when then Geek love article was
>printed by the Merc), but the thought is fine.

Oh, yes, it's a lovely thought, indeed.

Why not post your ba.general FAQ series (which for the most part
consists of non-newsgroup-specific stuff) to every newsgroup you read?
Why bother referring new readers to news.announce.newusers, the
newsgroup specifically for new users?

I wouldn't have any problem with the articles 1) if they were truly
FAQs (lists of Frequently Asked Questions).  They're not.  The latest
two are just something Eugene Miya apparently thinks is cute. 2) if
they proved to be effectual in preventing flamewars.  They're not.  You
really think Eric P. is sitting there at Stanford saying, "Wow.  Look
at that FAQ.  Guess I better not post any more articles about Japan in
ba.general if I know what's good for me, huh?"

I now return you to your regularly-scheduled lovefest.  Kissy-kissy
everyone!

Charleen
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Owls
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:56:02 GMT

I live in a condo complex which has recently been besieged by
nesting pigeons.  We'd like them to go nest across the street.

I've seen these plastic/inflatable (Don't laugh) owls, and I was
wondering if owls are a deterrent to pigeons.

Does anybody have any experience or words of wisdom for this
kind of situation?
From: jeffj@ultra.com (Jeff Johnson)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Two new FAQ panels (for editing): Pane
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:18:21 GMT
Reply-To: jeffj@ultra.com
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies

In article 23612@netcom.com, aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) writes:
=>In article <Nov.10.17.48.23.1992.18022@net.bio.net> charleen@net.bio.net (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
=>>
=>>Two *more* FAQs you're going to autopost?  I can't be the only one who's
=>>getting tired of seeing the old ones.  (And, yes, I know how to build a
=>>kill file, thanks.)
=>>
=>>I'd like to see some discussion on this before you barrage us with
=>>more automated postings.
=>
=>Thank you, Charleen.  I was wondering if I was the only person feeling
=>that way.  My beef isn't that I don't want him posting the stuff, just
=>that ba.general is, IMHO, not the appropriate place for it.

Ah, but what to do with the humor impaired???

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Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: United in route dispute with Japan
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 02:45:29 GMT

CHICAGO (UPI) -- United Airlines complained to the Department of
Transportation that Japan violated the U.S.-Japan Civil Air Transport
Agreement by refusing to allow United to extend its New York-Tokyo
service Sydney, Australia.

The complaint asks that the Transportation Department position itself
to take action to restrict flight authority granted to Japanese carriers
under the bilateral air service agreement.

The dispute centers on United's effort to extend its current service
between New York -- actually Newark -- and Tokyo. United seeks to
inaugurate new service to Australia by adding a twice-weekly Tokyo-
Sydney segment to its existing New York-Tokyo service.

...



Xref: sparky ba.general:4938 ba.news:58
From: chiachi@soda.berkeley.edu (Chiachi Hung)
Newsgroups: ba.general,ba.news
Subject: DANZA '92
Date: 8 Nov 1992 12:29:48 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu


   DANZA '92 Inter-university Semi-formal Dance in Downtown San Francisco
   ----------------------------------------------------------------------
   Presented by:
	Chinese Student Union, Berkeley
	Asian Business Association, San Francisco
	Chinese Student Union, San Jose State University
	Asian Student Union, UC Davis

   People will come from everywhere around the Bay Area.(i.e.: Universities,
	Community Colleges, etc.)   {18+ or university students are welcome}
   Friday, November 13, 1992  9:00pm to 2:00am (This Friday!!!!!)
			at The Hyatt Regency, Embarcadero
   Ticket: $12 Members; $14 Non-members in advance; $16 at the door.
   Hurry up.  They may run out pretty soon!
   To get the ticket(s), please e-mail me at following account address:
	chiachi@soda.Berkeley.EDU   or   c150-do@po.Berkeley.EDU  or
	Call (510)644-3804  Chiachi  or
	     (510)548-6264  Alan.
						Chiachi Hung
						CSU Publicity Co-Chair
From: jeffj@ultra.com (Jeff Johnson)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Fair and Festival Pseudo-weekly Posting
Keywords: fair festival food fun
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:00:25 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies

If I've omitted your favorite Fair or Festival, please send me the info so
that I won't leave it out next week.  See you at the Festivals!

Nov 12-15    Hillsborough Antique Show & Sale (San Mateo Expo Center)         *
Nov 13-14    Harbor Bay Art & Craft Fair (Alameda)
Nov 13-15    Christmas Crafts Jamboree (Marin Civic Center, San Rafael)       *
Nov 14       Little Mermaid Holiday Craft Show (Solano County Fairgrounds)
Nov 14-15    Mountain View Holiday Street-A-Faire (Castro Street)
Nov 14-15    Auburn Christmas Craft Festival (Gold Country Fairgrounds)       *
Nov 18       Allied Arts Guild (Arbor & Cambridge Roads, Menlo Park)
Nov 20-21    Ladybug Boutique (Hayward Centenial Hall)
Nov 20-21    San Rafael Craft Jamboree (Civic Center)
Nov 20-22    Gifts 'n Tyme Holiday Faire (Town & Country Fairgrounds, Napa)
Nov 21-22    Gift & Gourmet (Sonoma County Fairgrounds, Santa Rosa)
Nov 21-22    Art of Christmas (Oakes Shopping Center, Cupertino)
Nov 27-29    Christmas Craftique (Sonoma County Fairgrounds, Santa Rosa)
Nov 27-29    Santa Cruz Christmas Faire (Fairgrounds)
Dec 4-5      Watsonville Christmas Gift Fair (Santa Cruz County Fairgrounds)
Dec 4-6      Stanford Crafts Fair (Tresidder Student Union, Stanford U.)
Dec 5-6      Christmas Craft and Gourmet Festival (Modesto Centre Plaza)
Dec 11-13    Sacramento Craft Festival (Convention Center, 14th & J)
Dec 12-13 &
 Dec 19-20   Celebration of Craftswomen, Fort Mason, SF
Dec 12-13 &
 Dec 19-20   Telegraph Avenue Street Fair (Berkeley)

This is a separate list of the Harvest Festivals:
Nov 13-15    San Francisco, Brooks Hall, SF Civic Center
Nov 13-15    Pasedena, The Pasedena Center
Nov 20-22    San Jose, Convention Center
Nov 20-22    Costa Mesa, Orange County Fairgrounds
Nov 27-29    Anaheim, Convention Center
Nov 27-29    Seattle, Seattle Center Coliseum
Dec 4-6      Pomona, LA County Fairgrounds
Dec 4-6      Portland, Convention Center
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From: jamesf@btr.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: The holiday season:  a time for charity.  Maybe.
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:17:01 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

In article <1992Nov9.175531.28257@ads.com> charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
>I have no problem with a company making it easy for people to make
>donations; we're all busy folk.  But repeated urgings to donate, one-on-one
>discussions, the monitoring of size and type of donation...all these things
>are inappropriate for the workplace, IMHO.

Some companies match their employees' contributions to charitable 
organizations. I wonder if your boss is the only one aware of this and
pockets the matchings. Just a pessimistic thought.

jim

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Newsgroups: ba.wanted,ba.general
Subject: looking for a good mechanic in sf
From: eburk@bugs.sfsu.edu (Eli Burk)
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:40:33 PST
Reply-To: eburk@bugs.sfsu.edu (Eli Burk)
Keywords: mechanic


looking for a good mechanic in sf
i have a 84 honda accord.
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Newsgroups: ba.general
From: stcroix@Cadence.COM (Bill St.Croix)
Subject: Re: Where to get the stats.
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:32:39 GMT

In article <24900@sybase.sybase.com> mysti@sybase.com (Mysti) writes:
>In article <1992Oct21.233844.22529@cascade.Stanford.EDU> eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>>
>>Listen to yourself.  I'm supposed to apologize because I can't
>>find the damn article I read?  I'm sorry I can't find the article..
>>I heard this from a RELIABLE source. If you want to claim I'm wrong,
>>then prove me wrong!  You call me a liar (see below) yet YOU
>>can't prove that this ISN'T true!!!  

Last time I knew, when someone makes a *wild accusation* (ie the state
of California accuses you of being an axe murderer), it is not up to you
to prove that you are NOT an axe murderer, BUT, in fact it is up to them,
ie the prosecuter's office to prove that YOU ARE!

Geez, where do these people come from???

When you make an assertion, be prepared to back it up.

>Have you had any critical thinking skills courses or perhaps a
>course in logic somehwere along the line?  It is impossible to
>prove something doesn't exist, most of the time (unless the fact
>of it's existence creates a paradox.  Usually only really big
>things in the universe qualify for this sort of "proof").

Well Mysti, since Eric obviously doesn't "think" before he types, we
can even prove he he exists...."I think, therefore, I am".

>>Now, I HAVE YET to see anyone provide 
>>any counter-stats that say I'm wrong. 

And you haven't provided ANY stats to prove you are "right", just a bunch
of unsubstantiated accusations.  Put up or shut up!

	Just my comments,
	Bill
From: hwh@apple.com (Hsiao-Wuen Hon)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: 2 pairs of speakers for sale
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:26:05 GMT
Followup-To: ba.general
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

Two pairs of speakers for sale:

(1) B&O Redline 60 speakers - excellent and elegante speakers, come with
specialized stands.  About 2 years old.  Ask for $280.

(2) Acoustic Research studio partner bookshelf speakers. about 3 months
old, excellent condition.  Ask for $120.

Please send to hwh@apple.com or call hon at 947-1957 (work), 252-1029
(home).

/Hon
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: zilch@apples.Eng.Sun.COM (John Hoffman)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: getting to SFO from South bay
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:49:17 GMT
Reply-To: zilch@apples.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: apples

I've had several high quality, inexpensive rides from Mountain View to/from
San Francisco & San Jose airports with:

VIP Airport Shuttle    800 235-8847
                       408 378-8847


As usual: I have no interest in the company outside of 
wanting to keep a good thing going.