From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: The Disease is Cropping Up All Over, It Seems
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:36:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.184600.22771@cco.caltech.edu> anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.054559.29707@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>>Both of you, shut up. Reasons, if you want them, are over on the thread
>>"What the Pro-Lifers Don't Tell You" in about nine different places. I'm
>>sick of typing the damned thing out when you should know better by now.
>>This is not an appropriate analogy to abortion, or to any non-genocidal
>>situation.
>>
>>Followups to alt.nazi.nitwits, or alt.jdl.actionline.
>
>Wait a second. I can understand why a pro-lifer could easily blend this
>into the abortion debate. I believe that many of the pro-lifers see
>the abortion issue as just another case of genocide. A genocide against
>unborn children. I don't agree with them, but I can understand this 
>connection. The slaughtering of Jews, Gays, Protestants, and those that
>Hitler determined to be his enemies may to them be just as bad as
>their preceived genocide of (as they claim...millions of unborn). 
>
>Personally, I can't see how they could equate the abortion of fetuses
>with the death of live, breathing, thinking people, in germany, or
>cambodia, or wherever. But then I don't equate the value of a fetus
>as being == to the value of a born individual.
>
>There feelings are valid, but misguided.

You clearly didn't go and look where I've already said this eight
times this week, so I'll repeat it here: Nobody has ever yet come up
with any remote indication that this kind of garbage does them any
good whatsoever in their stated cause. What it does do is, for reasons
you *will* have to go find on the other thread; I'm tired and I've
had to say this too goddamned many times, make it slowly more and
more likely that the next time a set of folks who are trying to
commit genocide -- against whatever race they may choose -- appears,
those of us trying to blow the whistle on them will have an impossible
job and they will succeed in killing all the Jews, or all the blacks,
or all the remotely uncloseted gays, or all the Arabs, or all the
*whatever*, because nobody's going to listen to us -- after all,
isn't it no worse than abortion and all those other things we don't
care much about, so there's no need to worry? AKA people who claim
to be pro-life are hurting some people's chance for survival, while
not saving even one fetus by this tactic. This is not being passionately
pro-life, this is being at best stupid, and at worst, as in Kellmeyer's
case, actively and deliberately genocidal. 

Add to this the fact that very few people have tried to suggest that
what people say in arguments on the net save or destroy any more fetuses,
whereas there *are* a number of survivors of the death camps who read
the newsgroups (I don't know whether any of them follow this one in
particular, and for their sake I fervently hope not), and they have
already put up with more in one lifetime than anyone should put them
through. There is no good that can come of the "they're Nazis" tirade.
There's only more pain, and more death, even than the pro-lifers are
convinced already goes on. If they are truly pro-life, for those of
us sometimes considered subhuman along with their beloved unborn babies,
they will stop making our deaths more likely and our lives more scarred,
to no purpose.

>anne

	-Nora


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