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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Sandman questions
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 11:14:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.050757.2713@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@peca.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>
>Rainie asks for oblivion and Death tells her that isn't an option. So
>Rainie must go somewhere after she dies. Where isn't something that
>is specified. We never really know where Death takes her charges. There
>is talk of a sunless land, but we have also seen Hell(s) and someplace 
>near Heaven.  
>
This links in with something I've been wondering ever since I read issue 8
(The Sound of Her Wings). In that issue, Dream wonders aloud why people are
more afraid of dyinng than dreaming, when Dream's lands are more terrible
than Death's lands. Since we (and Dream) have seen just how nasty Hell is,
and that rather a lot of people seem to end up there (because they believe 
they deserve it), Dream's comment doesn't make sense at all. I know Hell
isn't Death's lands exactly, but I'd have thought it was a pretty obvious
reason for people to be scared of dying. *I'd* rather have a bad nightmare
one night than go to the eternal waking nightmare that is DC's Hell...

Any thoughts? Was Dream being dim? Or am I missing something?

Mike
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From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Send in the Superman Clones
Organization: Super Squids of the Poor
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:44:29 GMT

In article <9212181433.AA07188@LON.UK.Ileaf.COM> tyg@LON.UK.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway {US HQ}) writes:

>Of course, we do have a problem in that there are only three colors in
>Superman's costume. Thus, one of the clones will have to stay as Clark
>Kent, while the others go by Superman-Blue, Superman-Red, and Superman-Yellow.

Waita minute! Do these Supermen drive vehicles which form into a large 
robot with Superman-Red driving it?

I don't know why, but this sounds awfully familiar...

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    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  little peanut like you could do to so upset
     Absinthe makes the    |  him, but it looks like Doomsday really wants 
      time grow softer     |  to kill you"    _Mr Peanut meets Superman_
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Harlan Ellison
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 23:22:50 EST

In article <1992Dec16.003019.12283@news.unomaha.edu>
torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) writes:
 
>
>Detective Comics, early 1980's.  Noted on cover.
>
>Demon With a Glass Hand, DC, graphic novel
>
>Vic and Blood : A Boy and His Dog, graphic novel
>
>Incredible Hulk, mid 1970's, noted in Overstreet
>
>The Twilight Zone #1, Now Comics, "Crazy as a Soup Sandwich", deluxe edition
>contains an additional text story.
>
>Introduction to Fish Police collection.
>
>Night and the Enemy, graphic novel
 
  If you're counting introductions, then Harlan also wrote the intros to
_The Rocketeer_, the graphic novel version,
_Sandman: Season of the Mist_ the graphic novel version.
 
 
*******************************************************************
 
     I got remote control and a color TV
     I don't change the channels so they must change me.
 
     I need a doctor for my pressure pills
     I nned a lawyer for my medical bills
     I need a banker to finance my home
     I need security to back my loan
 
     I shouldn't bitch
     I shouldn't cry
     I'd start a revolution but I don't have time.
 
          Junsok Yang (YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu)
 
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From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:53:39 GMT

>Who are the favorite comic book artists of the people out on the net and why?

* Walt Simonson:  I haven't seen anything he's drawn that I don't like.
  From Robocop/Terminator all the way back to Manhunter, it's all gorgeous.
  He's perfected 'fanboy squiggles' long before anyone else.  He's not big
  on detail, but his shapes and layouts are amazing.

* Howard Chaykin:  What's he doing lately?  I miss "American Flagg!"

* Barry Windsor-Smith:  I almost bought Bloodshot just for his cover (what a
  stupid name for a character.  What does he do?  Get really drunk?)
  Pioneered on X-Men in the 60's, his Machine Man l.s. is stupendous.  
  His art prints are fantastic.

* Wm. Michael Kaluta: Bring back StarStruck and the Galactic Girl Guides!!!

* Terry Austin & Klaus Janson:  Give More Credit to Inkers!!!

Others:
Bill Willingham (all the way back to AD&D modules), John Byrne (not as
adventurous in his art anymore, but still solid), Mark Badger (cool!), Jim
Lawson (best Turtles). Arthur Adams:  Apparently too slow to work on regular
books, but still outstanding.

Past Faves:
Val Mayerik:  Best Howard the Duck and Man-Thing, seems to be stuck on martial
arts stuff.  Bill Sink&*(#wicz (gesundheit!):  Too abstract for me now. 
Go back to the style used in Moon Knight!

jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: End of Crisis (dc)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:10:00 EST

In article <Dec.17.13.38.28.1992.21187@gandalf.rutgers.edu>
fperry@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Fred Perry) writes:
>
>2. DC's writers can't come up with original material to cover any more. I
>firmly believe that part of Marvel's success depends on the fact that they
>consistently create new characters to give storylines and eventually comics
>to (witness Venom). DC, on the other hand, recycles their characters by
>"updating" them. For instance, I was really disappointed by the first issues
>of the new Sandman (which I immediately sold at face value--fanboys beware)
>because I was expecting Wes Dodds. I wanted to cry as I tried to make the mask
>for which Dream quested into the standard gas mask.
>
 
   While I agree that most DC titles (non-Vertigo?) are in many ways recycling
its past, pre-Crisis stuff, I'm not sure if the Sandman is a good example,
since Gaiman's Sandman is completely different from the past Sandmen (whether
you like it or not is, of course, a matter of taste.)
   Marvel has recycled names before to get a cheap shot at "new" heroes;
which version of Captain Marvel are they up to now? #2? #3?
(Kree version, black female version... then there was Ms. Marvel...)
 
 
*******************************************************************
 
     I got remote control and a color TV
     I don't change the channels so they must change me.
 
     I need a doctor for my pressure pills
     I nned a lawyer for my medical bills
     I need a banker to finance my home
     I need security to back my loan
 
     I shouldn't bitch
     I shouldn't cry
     I'd start a revolution but I don't have time.
 
          Junsok Yang (YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu)
Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:9814 alt.comics.lnh:257
From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
Subject: Re: Favorite Writers
Date: 17 Dec 1992 04:08:48 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1992Dec17.021811.21729@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth) writes:
>
>
>      [lots of list deleted]
>
>
>cheers,
>	ast
>



why?
why do we get this list thing in a.c.l.?
What is the sound of one dork crossposting?

-- 
Unlike subject-object metaphysics the Metaphysics of Quality does not insist on
a single exclusive truth. If subjects and objects are held to be the ultimate 
reality then we're permitted only one construction of things - that which
corresponds to the "objective" world - and all other constructions are unreal.
From: tyg@LON.UK.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway {US HQ})
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 09:59:31 -0600
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Jimh@pacdata.com (Jim Harkins) writes:
>Actually, the question should be "Why is PAD the only artist/writer on the net?"

Actually, while he may be the only one on r.a.c.m. at the moment, he's not the
only who's ever been on or who has current net.access. Henry Vogel was on during
the early days of Southern Knights, and in fact predates Peter in giving a cameo
to Jeff Meyer in the role of account and password into the "evil" organization's
system (account name Moriarty, password Fluke). Roland Mann was on before
moving to California to become an editor for Malibu. Michael Toth just got
a good review in CBG from Don Thompson for the first issue of a comic he wrote.
Lew Shiner apparently has mail access for letters to Hacker Files. In the 
mid-80s, printouts of net.comics were passed around the Marvel offices, 
courtesy of some unknown source. Chris Claremont had rather strong opinions
about certain posters of that era...

There are also a number of writers and artists with Compu$erve accounts who
receive the Comics-L mailing list, as a digest is easier to deal with in
email than multiple articles (I should talk; while in London I'm getting
my r.a.c.m. fix via ftping individual articles over). And Joyce Brabner,
who has written for Real War Stories and is Harvey Pekar's wife, recently
joined the comix mailing list. I mention the latter of those two as she
does post about Harvey's status and projects.

"I drank what?" --Socrates
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: lsmith@exa.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Books of Magic: Titania *not* Tim's mother
Organization: The Little Squids of the Artworld
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:55:08 GMT

In <1992Dec11.053852.20048@leland.Stanford.EDU> firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) writes:

>>In article <1992Dec11.022413.9509@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>>>
>>>In his response, he didn't say whether she was or not, but he did say that
>>>the RPG is *not* to be taken as canon and that the "contents are generally
>>>up to the standard of the drawing of Death on the cover".

>I haven't seen this book -- but I did see a poster of Dream and Death where
>Death was drawn particularly noxiously.  She had short hair, was ugly, and
>had no breasts -- she looked about twelve.  Is the cover of RPG similar?

No, the poster you're describing is the one done by Kelley (?) Jones for
Sandmonths. The Death on Magic is actually worse. However, I will agree
that I didn't like that poster much. I think Dream gained an extra knuckle
on each hand.

There is a new Death poster coming out during the run of Death:THCoL with
art by Chris Bachalo. It's better than the Jones poster, but it's not as
good as the artwork that Bachalo did for the cover of Advance Comics or
Previews. The Death T-shirt looks more promising.

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   (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  that computer person wrote. Now that you don't
  Featuring a character   |  need it anymore, could I have your top hat for my
  created by Neil Gaiman  |  collection?" _Mr Peanut: The High Cost of Reading_
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Birth of the Demon
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:18:57 EST

   Being payday, I actually shelled out the dough for Bats:Birth of the Demon
and I liked it quite a bit.  Imagine a whole book, each panel with Breyfogel
cover-quality artwork (I like his covers, but I really don't like his
interior work with the newsstand Batbooks), and the story ain't bad either,
(The story is about Ra's, and Bats only appear in about ten pages, so strictly
speaking, it's a Ra's book; not Bats.)
   There is one thing that bugs me, though, which is ...
 
SPOILERS
 
 
 
 
 
    The details given on Talia's birth doesn't jibe with Barr's Ra's
stories.  In Barr's version, Talia's mother was killed by Qayne,
 in O'Neil's version, she
was a druggie that Ra's met in Woodstock (y'know, the rock festival.)
 
   Given that Ra's is O'Neil's creation, if I had to be a "kontinuity
kop", I would have to choose O'Neill's version (though that would negate
the two Barr stories _Son of the Demon_ and _Bride of the Demon_ completely)
strictly out of respect for the original creator.
   But given that it would have taken minimal effort to bring these two
stories in line with each other, and not cause the continuity mess, why
did O'Neill do it?  Does anyone know how Denny feels about how Mike handled
Ra's and Talia?  Did Denny feel obligated to retcon away Mike Barr's stories?
Are they feuding over something?  Anyone have any idea?
 
   Junsok Yang
From: flowers@cco.caltech.edu (Dave Flowers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Annotated Stanley & His Monster #1
Date: 19 Dec 1992 03:12:05 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) writes:
	>        Panels 2-3: The text balloons indicate that this is Dream,
	>master of the Dreaming, the central character of Neil Gaiman's
	>"Sandman".  However, Dream is dressed like the Golden Age Sandman.
	>This is a joke.
	
	I believe Foglio wanted to use Dream and DC said no ...
	obviously they were being a bit anally retentive since Dream
	has appeared in Ambush Bug before.

        Actually, if you've been following the Sandman discussion,
Dream looks to the viewer like whatever is appropriate.  Since we're
talking about a small kid here who dreams of superheroes and such, it's
perfectly reasonable that Dream would appear as a Superhero type
(notice that the word balloons are pretty much the same as from
Sandman).  Dream's obviously appearing in an official capacity as he's
wearing his helmet.
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From: gls@windmill.ATT.COM (The Quintessence of Sicherman)
Subject: Re: Annotated Stanley & His Monster #1
Organization: Jack of Clubs Precision Instruments Co.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:41:16 GMT

Now, where was I?

In <1992Dec18.214845.20610@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com writes:

> Page 2, panel 1: Los Angeles really sucks. 

Cf. "Life in Hell."

>         Panel 2: "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" was a popular 70s book.
> I have no idea what it was about. ...

A fable by Richard Bach about a sea gull who wanted to fly faster than
the other everyday, 9-to-5 sea gulls.  Pop mysticism.  I quit reading
it early on because there weren't any elves or dwarves in it.

> 				... Polyester tastes a lot better than
> it looks or feels.

Cf. the film _Polyester._

Panel 9:  Growing your own herbs is another throwback.

> Page 5: Panel 5: If this were a different Foglio book, we'd see
> Stanley's parents rip each others's clothes off and have improbable
> kinds of sex. No such luck.

Be grateful it's not the family from "Shadowy Mr. Evans."

-:-
	"This rock, for instance, has an I.Q. of zero.  Ouch!"
	"What's the matter, Professor?"
	"It bit me!"
-- 
G. L. Sicherman
gls@windmill.att.COM
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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Re: LNH: Hello?  Anybody out there?
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:48:24 EST

In article <1gfvsoINNk8f@mozz.unh.edu>
mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE) writes:
 
>
>Hmmmm....Either WeaselNews has stopped getting new stuff from a.c.l. or
>nothing has been posted.  Well, I guess I'll have to fix that...
 
Nothing's been posted.  The LNH has fallen prey to a new group of nasty,
nefarious supervillains: college professors!  :-)
 
 
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From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:00:41 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec18.163659.6855@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:

>	And, of course, Tim Maroney's charges of sucking up just may have
>some kernels of truth to it....

Should some pro get on the net, and should some unwary person post something
that actually says something *nice* about the pro, then said unwary person
will be inundated with accusations that he is sucking up to the pro. On the
net, rude is fashionable, and will be defended to the death.

--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
  -- Brat Pack #3
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Books of Magic
Date: 14 Dec 1992 04:54:31 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
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In article <1992Dec9.205946.25106@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@peca.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
)In article <77797@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt8232d@prism.gatech.EDU (Jarvis T. Lowndes) writes:
)>In article <1fsd4jINNql1@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
)>
)>>        panel 9: It would seem that Tim, like Merlin, is only half-human.
)>>If the Queen of Faerie is really his mother, then perhaps the face from
)>>panel 8 was the form she took to bear him.
)>
)>Okay, I read _Books of Magic_ when it came and loved it.  But where/when does
)>this fact/speculation come from?  I don't remember anything like that from 
)>BoM.  
)
)If we take 
)the series of faces in Book III as forms the Queen of the Faerie has taken
)to help Tim along or test him, then that suggests that she was also his
)mother.

	Plus there's the small clue that in the panel referenced
above, Titania says "my son", clearly referring to Tim. ("And will
you also hatch out worlds, my son?")

)The DC Heroes Magic Source book (a role playing game supplement) goes
)farther and states it directly. I admit this is a dubious source.
	
	Indeed...

)However,
)the author, Dan Greenberg, was a continuity consultant on BoM so he might
)have some connections. (At least I think it's the same Greenberg mentioned
)in the back of BoM IV.)

	No, it's not. The credit for continuity consultant is Bob Greenberger,
not Dan Greenberg. (Hmm...Bob Greenberger, Karen Berger, Dan Greenberg...
I smell a conspiracy of some sort. Has anyone seen all three of these
people together in a room? How about with Mr. G?)

)  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith 
	  ^^^^^^^^^^
	?? I don't recognize the formula. Hydrated chromium oxide would
have brightly colored crystals...Is there any other significance?

-- 
   David Goldfarb          | 
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |      "Hey, mister! Your ninja's dragging!" 
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From: gls@windmill.ATT.COM (Col. G. L. Sicherman)
Subject: Re: Annotated Stanley & His Monster #1
Organization: F. K. Dingy & Son
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 17:00:43 GMT

In <BzHIwt.2z@world.std.com>, Alexx@world.std.com writes:
> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
> 
> >beanbag-chair behind the monster. I don't recognize the toys in the
> >lower right corner or the coke-can-thing next to the lava lamp.
> 
> The toys definitely look familiar, tho I can't quite place them.  McDonald's
> advertising tie-ins?  The coke-can-thing is a lamp.

Not McDonald's but Pillsbury.  "Funny-Face Drinks," a line of Kool-Aid
imitations with stereotypical cartoon characters.  Goofy Grape and
Choo-Choo Cherry were two of them.  Choo-Choo superseded Chinese
Cherry, whom, with Injun Orange, the public found excessively stereo-
typical.

> >        Panel 4: "...by Charles Ott": The Hardy Boys books were (and
> >still are) written by a number of different authors under the
> >pseudonym "Franklin W. Dixon". Presumably "Charles Ott" is equally
> >fictitious.
> 
> This one is ringing a *loud* bell, but I can't recall where I've heard the 
> name before...

Grosset & Dunlap, which published "Dixon"'s books, also published the
Poppy Ott series by "Leo Edwards."  This probably has nothing to do with
it.  By the way, in radio a heterodyne is a reference signal; a radio
engineer uses it much as a guitar player tunes one string against
another, by listening to interference beats.

-:-
	"His muscles roll and shift beneath his clothing, like ... like ... ?"
	"Like firm breasts?"
	"Thank you, Kevitch."
-- 
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gls@windmill.att.COM
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:01:10 -0500 
From: "Jonathan D. Lyness" <jl6e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Kyle Baker is black!! Wow!! (was Re: Black artists...)
	<1992Dec13.185333.6635@zip.eecs.umich.edu>

In article <a70O02.y2ec101@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>
branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec11.215424.12069@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>>>Having a copy of this thing's better than having a personal organ bank.
>>
>>Yeah, but do you have a copy of the novelization of "Buckaroo Bonzai"?
>
>Yes.
>
>Bidding starts at a spleen and a colon.

Sorry to keep dragging this discussion on, but I am curious: can one of
you tell me why the Buckaroo Bonzai novelization is particularly sought
after, and why it is scarce?


Thanks . . . 

Jon
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From: krupski@ravel.udel.edu (James John Krupski)
Subject: Subscription service advice
Summary: Can you recommend one?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:28:24 GMT

Let's say, hypothetically, that I was going to increase my comics purchases.
Let's say that I wanted ~ten copies of selected issues of the upcoming
_Spider-man Classic_ (hypothetically).  Can anyone recommend a good, reliable
subscription service that offers regular discounts?
E-mail me and I'll post a summary of some sort.
ADthanksVANCE.
				-Slippery Jim

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From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Creation of rec.arts.comics.sandman replies
X-To: MICHAEL VINCE CAPRIO JR
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:46:00 GMT

mikecap@weierstrass.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr) writes:

>>>It seems to me that Sandman is a big enough topic to deserve its own
>>>newsgroup.  Anyone know how to go about doing this?
>
>First off, there is hardly enough traffic for the creation of a Sandman
>newsgroup, it would just be wasting bandwidth, and at times when it is
>not popular, it would be dead air.

Although I don't agree totally (there are a hell of a lot of Sandman posts 
on a fairly regular basis), I can see your point to an exent.  A 
compromise would perhaps be rec.arts.comics.vertigo, which would encompass 
discussion all of DC's "mature readers" titles that will be under the 
Vertigo imprint as of January.  

Greg
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