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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:03:40 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1993Jan5.225714.22900@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>What a maroon. The only reason that LA moved theirs is
>so that SF might reciprocate. Talk about giving an inch
>and taking a mile. Somebody needs to educate this moron
>that the gay world does *not* revolve around SF, much
>as he might think it ought to.

It's not the month for inter-city partying, dammit.

It is the observation of queerdom's most sacred holiday, the anniversary
of the Stonewall riots.

EVERY CITY IN THE WORLD should observe it on the last Sunday of June.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Michael Scott
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:26:41 GMT

He's apparently a fag. Why does this matter, you ask? Well, he's a
local news guy who will soon be (Anchoring? I think that's right)
on Good Morning America or the Today show or something like that.
He was at the Run this last Saturday night (though he spent an
unneccessary amount of time talking to a blonde woman), and I heard
that he goes to the Max (the big gay bar in Omaha, usually not very
attractive to straight men) a lot.

I know, I know, Izzy Cute. Well, I can't decide. I could find him
attractive, but then I looked at him at an inopportune moment and
thought he looked a lot like Bill Cosby (yes, Virginia, there are
black people in Omaha). But he has his charms, and has a charismatic
presence on TV. Anyway, it was surprising for me. So keep a look
out for him...

(John, who remembers watching tv with a friend, who misappropriated
the slogan of the station that Mr. Scott works for (Michael Scott's
gay. Feel Good about That!)) 

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: Tue,  5 Jan 93 19:58:27 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan5.052618.17838@spdcc.com> <1993Jan5.111541.5492@macc.wisc.edu>
  <1993Jan5.151643.7153@osf.org>

Robert Coren writes:
>And, unsurprisingly, the situation for perfume intended for women is
>even worse. I actually have no idea what "perfume" costs these days,
>but I remember a _New Yorker_ cartoon from *at least* 20 years ago,
>and very likely more: prosperous-looking couple in high-class
>cosmetics shop, wife being offered fancy-looking perfume bottle,
>husband exclaims indignantly: "Do you realize that works out to about
>$750 a fifth?"
>  
>(for the aritmetically-challenged: $750/fifth = $30/oz, or very nearly
>so.)

Interesting.  I paid just that much ($30/oz) for something as a
gift for my mother recently, but in this case it was for a pure
floral essence -- lily of the valley, her favorite. When one
considers how many of those little flowers would have to be
processed to get even the 1/4-oz I purchased, it makes some
sense.  But the stuff that's primarily alcohol and other solvents
with just a trace of the actual scent -- the prices are
ridiculous.

 
() Why do writers write? Because it isn't there.
()      -- Thomas Berger
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: jeanmarc@Ingres.COM (Jean-Marc Fortier)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Places in Paris
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:21:28 GMT
Reply-To: jeanmarc@squid.ingres.com (Jean-Marc Fortier)
Organization: Ingres, The ASK Group
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Joseph Francis (joe@spdcc.com) wrote:
: In article <C0E6M7.Dsn@fig.citib.com> swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter) writes:
: >
: >Does anyone have suggestions on where to stay in the Marais?  Also interested
: >in where the good leather places are.  Any info appreciated!
: >
: >Thanks!!

	Hotel Place des Vosges is OK, not 'gay' but evening staff
	was when we where there. Good location and quiet.

<stuff deleted>

: There is also the 'guided tour'. Ask other Motssers to rate an evening out.
	Which 'variation' of the 'guided tour'?
: 
: -- 
: US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.

	Jean-Marc
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 02:59:52 GMT

In article <1iftqdINN147@mizar.usc.edu>
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>In article <mattm-060193143254@mcmelmon.apple.com> 
>mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>> but I, who was once a resident of the San Fernando Valley,

>It figures.  Jess, dear, I'd believe the bug spray
>story if I were you.

I take your point, but if that iced the lice, why didn't it
douse the dung beetle too?

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge)
Subject: Re: Colorado Replies
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:22:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.152255.5982@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>In article <rizzoe.614.726242522@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU> rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
>>
>>In the last week I have received 5 replies from mail sent to Colorado 
>>organizations right after the passage of Measure 2.  
>
>Interesting.  I wrote fourteen letters in total and have received not
>one acknowledgement from any office including the Governor, Lt. Gov.,
>Sec. of State, various tourism boards, chambers of commerce and so on.
>I guess "aliens" don't warrant a reply.
>
>Brian

Maybe not from governmental people in Denver, Brian, but I'm reliably
informed that _National_Enquirer_ IS interested in aliens.  Preferably
aliens that do kinky things with earthlings.  Maybe you  should contact
them.

You don't have much resemblance to Elvis, which might work against
your getting a two-page spread; so maybe  it had better  be a phone interview.


-- 
Chris Ambidge / ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu / ambidge@ecf.utoronto.ca  
   chemical engineering / university of toronto
   200 college st / toronto ON / M5S 1A4 // 416 978 3106
From: broughton@lambda.usask.ca ()
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Les/Gay Protection in Alberta (!)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:04:48 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Distribution: world
Reply-To: broughton@lambda.usask.ca ()
NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda.usask.ca

In article <manz.726825749@ee.ualberta.ca>, manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz) writes:
|>In <C0pns1.M62@ecf.toronto.edu> ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge) writes:
|>
|>>This is culled from CBC Radio News at 5pm 1993 01 11
|>>[I apologise right now for spelling mistakes in the names of politicians.
|>>I *don't* have them correct, I suspect, this is what they sounded like]
|>
|>>Alberta is one of the few provinces in Canada that does not have sexual
|>>orientation as a prohibited ground for discrimination in its _Individual_
|>>_Rights_Act_.  
|>
|>Alberta, Newfoundland and the Northwest Territories.

... AND Saskatchewan and Prince Edward Island!

(... and soon probably Nunavut (sp?))

Darrell
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From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Austin, TX joins Colo. Boycott
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:47:32 GMT

tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt) writes:

>the CTB head has his facts wrong, and that Atlanta *does*
>in fact have an anti-discrimination ordinance. I should be
>more careful when repeating someone else's claims.

>I have this irresistable urge to point out to Ron that he
>can easily check on Atlanta's gay-rights-ordinance status
>by looking in the Queer Resource Directory, available by
>anonymous FTP at nifty@andrew.cmu.edu.... :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Grrrr! Actually, I haven't checked the non-discrim list to see if it includes
Atlanta. At least I don't remember doing so. But I think it does.

And that address is NIFTY.ANDREW.CMU.EDU (128.2.35.7). :-)

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
``The first thing you do is forget that I'm Black. Second, you must never forget
that I'm Black.'' -Pat Parker, "For the white person who wants to be my friend"
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Nominations for best men's colognes
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:03:49 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) wrote:
->In articl<6JAN93.15575350@enh.nist.gov->
->aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
->>Surely you're not suggesting that because you had enough of it a few
->>decades ago, those of us younger should do without to spare you again.
->
->Shirley, that's exactly what I'm suggesting.  We don't have
->smallpox any more, either, so I think we should just
->eliminate patchouli once for all.

I'm trying to remember the last person I knew who enjoyed smallpox...

->>I've tried many of the others, but they just don't compare to the heavenly
->>scent of patchouli, at least on me.  So patchouli it is, as long as it
->>is cool enough to feel comfortable, a rare occasion indeed (It's only
->>82F today).
->
->With very great difficulty I could overlook the parchese, I
->mean patchouli, but I protest this reporting of divine
->weather from the lower climes!

Okay, then.  Yesterday we got five inches of rain, mostly in the form of
thunderstorms.  Since they just delivered the roofing material today, it
rained quite a bit here inside my office also.  Better?

->It's a form of torment,
->especially since I'm being made cross (and you *know* how
->rare that is!) by an encounter with that affliction youth
->gets all the time and age gets but seldom, the common cold.

Jesus, Jess!  I hope you are blessed with better health in the coming
days.  Stay warm (you should only have a slight warming trend in the next
few days), and take care.  I would much rather have a cold without dealing
with heat and humidity, myself.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson@ocean.dnet.nasa.gov
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
"We Will Rebuild (tm)" - majority community response to Andrew
"We Will Redecorate" - gay community response to Andrew
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Credit Cards (was: Posting Styles)
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:41:25 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <C0DyHy.6nn@cs.vu.nl>, fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) wrote:

> Mmmmmmm...I'm afraid I make a dreadful hustler... I need a patron,
> that's it. Oh dear, no, that means I have to have a talent for
> something in the arts... uuhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm, does Euro-snobbism (I can
> do that! I can do that!) count as an art-form?

Art, these days, is very much a matter of personal interpretation.
I'm sure that you could stand in front of a crowd, massaging a 
limp wee-wee while reciting Marx and claiming that bourgeois society
has sapped your vital essence, making it impossible to achieve
personal satisfaction.  This would, of course, be a comment on
the dehumanizing impact of post-industrial re-industrialization, 
and - therefore - *art*

*X*
(who would place "artists" above even "intellectuals" - or,
at least, the modern incarnations of both - as wastes of valuable
oxygen)
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Capitalization (dubious MOTSS content)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:12:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.172446.28371@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:

>Ooooo!  I'm in the Quotes File*!
>
>* It's become a soc.motss institution:  it deserves to be capitalized.

You mean Cabatalized.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jab@Ingres.COM (jeff bowles)
Subject: Re: tearoom sex and bathroom police
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: soc
Date: 12 Jan 93 07:47:13 GMT

snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil  Snodgrass) writes:

>> But I as a person in the Gay community hope to hell we don't waste 
>> any or our resources on protecting bathrooms for sex.

aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>I have a *bit* of a problem with this, in that it too easily extends to  
>statements like "I hope we don't waste any of our resources in protecting  
>S/M freaks" or drag queens or bestialists or whatever.

I agree. The issue, really, is whether entrapment is fair play to snare
unsuspecting closeted men who are playing in the bathroom.

And that's what it is. The agenda (call it "queer", call it "homophile",
just don't call it late for dinner) HAS to include  "entrapment" for men and
"invisibility" for lesbians. To someone in San Francisco, perhaps this
isn't seen as an issue; for someone in Iowa City, it can't help but be
an issue.

	Jeff Bowles
	former Okie (and lemme tell ya, entrapment's a problem there!)
From: mikel@dosbears.UUCP (Mike Lipsie)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Diet differences with your partner?
Date: 7 Jan 93 05:28:16 GMT
Reply-To: dosbears!mikel@pyramid.com
Organization: DOS Bears

In article <1993Jan3.125630.25344@dvorak.amd.com> tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.200958.850@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>In article <1526@dosbears> dosbears!mikel@pyramid.com writes:
>>>I am an omnivore (if it can't run faster than I, it is in trouble).
>>
>>Wanna race?
>
>I'm right behind you two and closing fast! :)

Finally.  A race I can't lose.   :-)

--
Mike Lipsie                            584 Castro #614, San Francisco, CA 94114
dosbears!mikel@pyramid.com
mikel%dosbears.uucp@ingres.com    Running rn (for DOS) with UUPC/Extended 1.11k
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Mormon At Large
Date: 11 Jan 1993 11:27:38 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

*Mormon* at large?  Heavens.

In article <1993Jan11.184651.11281@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> 
gsmith@polyhymnia.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes:
> In article <1io9a1INN3ln@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> 
> ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma) writes:
[ ... ]
> >We can test this empirically of course, if someone wants to give me a
> >grant...
>
> I will give you my opinion for a nominal fee.

I take it that Mikhail finally honored his debt?

Arne
From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Please, Guys, What do those Codes Mean!!!
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:09:41 GMT

In article <72973@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> 
> You too, eh??  What were your favorite episodes?  Mine were the
> ones with the aliens who built the Sasquatch, and the episodes
> with the "Fembots."  (Admittedly, both of these carried over with
> _$6M Man_....)

I remember this episode too, in fact, I think it was two of them. I
remember it distinctly because I only watched the Six Million Dollar
to see if Lee Majors would have his shirt off. Sure enough, this
episode showed what a magnificent fur rug he had. I also remember my
dad remarking that the Sasquatch looked like the guy, Dave, 
he had just hired at work. Needless to say, I got to meet 
this Dave, as he was working on the barge my father had just
bought. Sure enough, during that hot and humid English summer
as Dave worked on the barge, he stripped down to the waist,
and he was indeed as furry as a Sasquatch. I decided I liked
the guy.


--
Death to all fanatics!!

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: race based fetishes
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Society for Promotion of Entropy in the Universe (SPEU)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:31:32 GMT

In article <thaaang.726492026@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>Thank you, Caroline. I have one, question, though; is it wrong for
>someone to have been initially attracted to you because of your
>race and the connotations it has been given if they have since found
>other, more substantial reasons to love you, and your race is no
>longer the factor it once was? How does being attracted to someone
>for their race differ from being attracted to someone for other
>physical features?

This, along with Caroline's followup, have been thought-provoking, 
adding to the inordinate amount of introspection I've been doing lately
(this is NOT a good thing when you get back to school on the 3rd, having
a CS project due the 8th, one the 11th, one the 12th, and a paper due on
the 12th as well).

Other people have already mentioned this idea in this thread, but to
restate it:

Is it "wrong" (well, I suppose that translates into "What do you think
about..." since right/wrong may not be good words to describe it) to
find someone physically attractive and then try to become friends with
them for that reason?  Even if you do end up becoming friends with them,
isn't there a possibility that they'll really be hurt if they find out
you wanted to be friends because you found them attractive?  Sort of
using them in a way.

I wonder about this, because I've come close on two occasions to doing
this, namely finding attraction first and friendship second.  Although
in the first case I'm certain it was friendship first, then later
discovery of attraction, and in the second case it's hard to tell
because it's been sort of simultaneous.  Sigh.

Friend #1 is pretty supportive, but straight (His exact words were
"Well, I think I'm going to try the heterosexual thing first.  But
thanks for being honest.").  Friend #2 and I don't know each other as
well, and I haven't told him yet (neither about being gay nor about
being attracted to him), and I'm not really sure how it would go if he
found out.  Will be exploring that next time I'm home...

-----
sss / Princeton University Class of 1994 / Department of Computer Science
Horror?  Steckle, it's ignorance we fear.  Since when did truth and
knowledge become a horror?  [_Flatliners_]

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: read@athena.mit.edu (Read Weaver)
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:18:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.033916.6487@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
|> A-200, Rid, and Kwell shampoos are effective against crabs.  Kwell creme and
|> lotion is supposed to remain on the skin for 8-12 hours; they are used to
|> treat scabies.

As Steve says, Kwell shampoo _is_ prescribed for crabs. It is, however, almost
never an approporate prescription.  As I believe Steve says elsewhere, Kwell
is basically Lindane, and is quite toxic--it's a skin-absorbed neurotoxin.
While there aren't many other choices for scabies, the pyrethrin-based
pharmaceutical insecticides (like A-200, Rid, etc.) are much less nasty,
and are more than adequate for crabs.  If your doctor gives you Kwell for
crabs (as the doctors at my student health clinic always did) I strongly
suggest giving it back.

We staff at the gay clinic in Chicago were told that a small number of
people somehow manage to weaken the effectiveness of pyrethrins, and on
those people you had to use an alternative insecticide (we gave 'em Kwell--
perhaps sulfur and vaseline would have worked as well).  Apparently this
really was a function of the patient's body, not the crabs'--Rid didn't
_ever_ work for them.  Twelve years ago (when I was there) no one seemed
to know what was happening to cause this.  (We were told the number of
people for whom this was true was something under 1%.)

It's also true that people can develop a sensitivity to pyrethrin, requiring
an alternative insecticide.
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From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Subject: Re: Bar etiquette
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 23:06:30 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <C0Hx62.2x4@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>In <1993Jan7.165949.10585@infonode.ingr.com> norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
>
>>Wait! you forgot about the biscuits and gravy!  I've already given Arne 

>>>And that's just the appetizer.
>
>>OH! that's right, you get gravy and biscuits on the *second* trip.
>
>You're damn right -- those "all you can eat" plates they give you are
>more "all we care to have you eat without feeling like a pig".  I think
>they buy old coffee saucers, rechristen them, and
>   
>     VOILA!
>
>Breakfast Platters!
>>jeff {mmmm, then dessert at the Krispy Kreme...}
>Noooo...dessert at Tastee-Freez, hon...

No, Sopapillas from Los Cuates, dear...
>
Never, ever, forget the green chili!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dominick
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From: hbaldwin@mizar.usc.edu (Harry Baldwin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: BAR Manners in Boston....
Date: 6 Jan 1993 09:44:49 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan6.112506.6765@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:

>When I think of U.S. Driving, and when I drive in Europe, they haven't
>a clue. The Etoile is a nightmare, of course, but then there is
>fabulous Britain. And Saudi Arabia, which makes the Etoile look like
>lockstep SP semaphore processing. I remember the time driving in
>Lucca, trying to get to my hotel, which I passed several times,
>because I got on oneway streets that simply one city wall entrance to
>another. There were three or four distinct, non-connected tracks.
>Triple-parked on the Via Veneto in Roma, pretending to be in a remake
>of La Dolce Vita. Still remember the nightmare turnabouts in a RHD
>Jeep Wagoneer in Borneo. Boston? They'd get eaten alive.

I remember missing out on a day trip to Pisa because friends with a rental
car were unable after an hour's try to go from their hotel and cross the Arno
in Florence to pick me up.  And I still tenderly recall an obscure mountain
road between Lugano and Insbruck where the driver of a Mercedes behind me
a) flashed his headlights, b) hung on the horn with mind-melting persistance,
and c) invited me via universal handsignals to fuck myself, then turn 
right over the precipice to get out of his way.  I think he finally opted
for a Close Encounters solution and passed me overhead....


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