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From: gates@informatik.hu-berlin.de (M.Gates)
Subject: Re: catalogs please? (Zillo)
Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:56:41 GMT

In article <ufaustus.721608088@mcl> ufaustus@mcl.ucsb.edu (Mark Bergem) writes:
>  it sucks.  Where are you from anyway, I far as I know Prop is only avilable
>  in California, at least in Newsstands, (I saw the worst yesterday, an issue
>  of Propaganda in Tower Records, ugh!) The questions still needs to be answered
>  where are there cats on Goth stuff?
>
>
>		Dr Faustus
>

Actually, I found it for the first time in Northhampton, Mass.
It is pretty damned easy to find *all over* the U.S...not just
in California. The writing is admittedly affected (or perhaps
affectatious?) and the interviews *are* occasionally infantile...
but somehow it is just so...pretty. At least there is a unifying
aesthetic concept...which most underground-goth mags really
lack. 

I have yet to see it available in Germany, though.

			--margaret

************maybe this world is another planet"s hell...***********
				-aldous huxley
From: xorcist@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Mistake, don't read it!
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 02:47:07 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>


AAARRGHGH!!!! MY EYES!!!! MY EYES!!!! AAAAHHHGGHH!!!!!

...>blister<...

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ xorcist@cyberden.uucp ]
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: msherman@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (Marc Sherman)
Subject: Urgent request for info!  HELP!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:25:42 GMT

Help!  I need a little bit of information URGENTLY (ie: in the next two  
hours...)

Does anyone out there remember the title of the Beatles record which was  
covered by the Slovenian band Laibach about 5 years ago?

Please reply by email to msherman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca  Thanks.

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From: mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Satanism and Gothdom?
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:29:30 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

For Sin and Sacrifice we must die a 'Christian Death'.
Perfect.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-John Mc Donagh.                   ~~                         {Nascent Virion}
mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie              ~~         "I dress my tears in costumes.."
				   ~~
"Describe the illness I'll prescribe the cure...
 Start your two day life on a two day vacation ! "     -Rozz Williams
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From: mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....)
Subject: Rubicon... A review.
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:55:28 GMT


The article that follows is (c) Prometheus 1992

			      Fooled By Dreams
			      ================

Where does one start? "What Starts, Ends" is what the album cover tells us.
Hmmm... Does that mean that I should stop now. No, I shall not be that easy on 
you. First Point: This is not 'The Fields of the Nephilim'!! OK for all those
Neph fans that may have been disappointed we have got that cleared up. I have
heard some say: "Oh they sound like Pearl Jam..". I won't even retort to that.
However even having been a Neph fan for a number of years(and awaiting Carls'
NeFilim impatiently)I love this album. 

Rubicon were awaited with a dull ache of anticipation for a while until their
debut British gig in the Marquee Club, London in June. This put minds, if
not to rest, at least to understanding. Many a Goth have already written them
off to be a sell out, rock band. They are however much more! Rubicon have
fans to win, and audiences to scare and given time they will do so.

The band(ex-Nephilim) with new singer Andy Delany have (in my humble opinion)
created a beautiful black sound. It is dark and haunting, and crazed and 
violent. Although not #gothic# it is most definately music of the night. The
album has an ethereal yet cutting guitar sound. At times I hear Dawnrazor
and others Elyzium but to be honest the music has matured an awful lot since
then. These are songs that the Nephs would never have produced(Thank God!).
The album is balanced between slow, thoughtful numbers with harsh 'Get the
Fuck out of your seat' songs too. The second single from the album (Crazed/Brave
Hearts) is, for me, the highlight of the album, which could be construed as
a negative statement. I realise this. It is unusual for a band to put two of
their strongest songs on one single yet they have taken that risk to their
advantage. The rest of the album cannot help but grow on you too.  

The artwork is nice too(reminiscent of Moonchild era) with a sun dial and
hourglass being the central themes on both front and back. Generously we get
an inner sleve complete with lyrics which is much needed. Delany is a more
understandable singer yet still with that Je ne sais quoi. I can't really
compare them with any other band but a must for goths and music lovers alike.

"Unselfish sharing of time love and gold, Endless preparing of food for the soul
 In darkest hours guilt you'll hide, To all you're smiling while pain's inside 

 		Is this what you've been waiting for? "
							Rubicon - Hard for you
 						
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-John Mc Donagh.                   ~~                         {Nascent Virion}
mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie              ~~         "I dress my tears in costumes.."
				   ~~
"The next performance is a comedy, Beware of the soothsayers sop
 Untangle the pearls, Don't hinder the pages, Beat the reaper to the crop."
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From: nbrao@athena.mit.edu (?????)
Subject: Cranes
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:14:06 GMT

Speaking of the Cranes.  Does anyone know the lyrics to the Wings of Joy 
album?  I can't figure out one word she's singing.  I assume she's singing
in English, but sometimes I wonder if she's singing words.  I still like
the Cranes for the music.  The piano and strings give them a really nice
sound.  Her voice could be better, but it's tolerable..  sort of like a 
little child.  

Nhan
From: rji@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Help!  Urgent Laibach Question!
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:57:00 GMT
Organization: Communications Research Group

In article <Bxu6oI.7sB@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, msherman@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (Marc Sherman) writes:
|> Help!  I need a little bit of information URGENTLY (ie: in the next two  
|> hours...)
|> 
|> Does anyone out there remember the title of the Beatles record which was  
|> covered by the Slovenian band Laibach about 5 years ago?
|> 
|> Please reply by email to msherman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca  Thanks.
|> 
|> --
|> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|> | msherman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca | Marc Sherman ----------- PVI Productions |
|> | 217 Delhi Ave., Suite 101  +------------------------------------------+
|> | Downsview, Ontario, Canada | Gemutlich, gemutlich, GEMUTLICH!         |
|> | 519/884-5229  416/630-3336 | Die Welt ist gemutlich mit die Kasewaffe.|
|> +----------------------------+------------------------------------------+
|> 

Well thanks, like I really needed to read this article 5 times, and with
2 different subject lines!

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From: u2k25@seq1.keele.ac.uk (D Von Stosser)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Bauhaus' "Bela Lugosi's Dead"
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:08:17 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <9211171805@ltrnativ.UUCP>, by adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP (Adam Mottershead):
> Just to end a longstanding confusion I have had about this song, I have
> decided to seek Net Wisdom(Tm).
> 
> The verse I can't seem to decipher is as follows...
> 
>        "The virginal brides, file past his tomb,
>         ________ flowers ____________ bloom.
>         Alone in a darkened room,
>         The count."
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> --
> Adam Mottershead                      |
> 39 Havelock Drive                     |
> Brampton, Ontario                     |             adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP
> Canada, L6W 4K8                       |
> +1 416 454 8597                       |

O.K. - this is my second attempt at replying to this thing, this
cursed machine, so bear with me...
   The verse you are concerned with is as follows:

   The virginal brides
   File past his tomb
   Strewn ten times with flowers
   Bereft in deathly bloom
   Alone in a darkened room
   The count

   This so far as I can remember (my copy is 800km away...)
   I'm glad to have been of assistance if I was. Best of fun,

   Dominic von Stosser (u2k25@uk.ac.keele.cc.seq1)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: argent@iastate.edu (Christopher L Jorgensen)
Subject: Goth List
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:12:00 GMT

-- 
argent@iastate.edu       | They called me the fool, they called me the child
The Great Grendle-Knan,  | I found an angel of the night;
Earth rim roamer.        | The voice was low, the look was bright;
                         | She looked upon my crown and smiled. -Tennyson-
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: msherman@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (Marc Sherman)
Subject: Help!  Urgent Laibach Question!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:26:41 GMT

Help!  I need a little bit of information URGENTLY (ie: in the next two  
hours...)

Does anyone out there remember the title of the Beatles record which was  
covered by the Slovenian band Laibach about 5 years ago?

Please reply by email to msherman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca  Thanks.

--
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| msherman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca | Marc Sherman ----------- PVI Productions |
| 217 Delhi Ave., Suite 101  +------------------------------------------+
| Downsview, Ontario, Canada | Gemutlich, gemutlich, GEMUTLICH!         |
| 519/884-5229  416/630-3336 | Die Welt ist gemutlich mit die Kasewaffe.|
+----------------------------+------------------------------------------+

--
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| msherman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca | Marc Sherman ----------- PVI Productions |
| 217 Delhi Ave., Suite 101  +------------------------------------------+
| Downsview, Ontario, Canada | Gemutlich, gemutlich, GEMUTLICH!         |
| 519/884-5229  416/630-3336 | Die Welt ist gemutlich mit die Kasewaffe.|
+----------------------------+------------------------------------------+
From: wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Gregory)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: DRACULA (Warning SPOILERS)
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:13:07 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


    All the points of the movie which you dislike are stand Coppola
style, especially the epic overblowing of everything (like your buckets
o' blood coming from left and right).  This is why his movies tend to
stir love-hate reactions, and either become huge hits or flops.
    I generally thought the movie was excellent, and was very impressed
with how much they stuck to the book, until the very end, which I
thought was sappily done and acted.

-Scott


P.S.  In regard to your casting ideas, I agree Keanu Reaves was pretty
ridiculous, but in the novel he's more of a narrative device than a
fully developed character as well.  And you must admit that Gary Oldman
was superb.
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon")
Subject: Re: sigh, oh sigh; finding Gothic clothes in stores....
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:24:24 GMT

What the hell ARE goth clothes, anyway?  What makes one thing
goth and another thing not goth (obviously, certain things
could definitely not be qualified as goth, but of everything
else, how do you know what is and what isn't?).  I think goth
is an attitude, not what you wear.  If you take it down to
petty things like clothing, it becomes a fashion trend, and
then we might as well forget it.
From: mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Lyrics question
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:26:33 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Nov20.201030.16249@athena.mit.edu> nbrao@athena.mit.edu (?????) writes:
>so I don't dream" in it.  It reminded me of a song that had the line "I don't 
>sleep, so I don't dream, so I don't wake up frightened", and I can't for
>the life of me think of the name of the song or the group... or even the
>rest of the song.  If anyone can tell me the name of the song or group that

No Time to Cry     - Sisters of Mercy....  I think.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-John Mc Donagh.                   ~~                         {Nascent Virion}
mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie              ~~         "I dress my tears in costumes.."
				   ~~
"You are the one that feels that noone's home
 To be left alone is the marrow from my bones...
 You are the one... " 			   --Babes in Toyland
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon")
Subject: Re: church of no return
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:26:57 GMT

mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie  writes:
> In <of26sS_00iV3M_lchG@andrew.cmu.edu> ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Pak) writes:
> 
> >On what album does CoNR orignally appear on?
> I hope you mean the Christian Death song.... :->
> It was originally just available as 7" and 12" singles
> but now is featured on the compilation album Jesus Points the bone at you.
> 

Does anyone know if (and when) "Jesus Points the Bone at You"
is going to be available as a domestic (U.S.) release?  The
local record store has it as import only, and is charging $25
for it, and I would hate to invest that kind of money and then
have it come out at $13 in a month...
From: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael D Kretzer)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Bauhaus' "Bela Lugosi's Dead"
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:58:42 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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From article <9211171805@ltrnativ.UUCP>, by adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP (Adam Mottershead):
> Just to end a longstanding confusion I have had about this song, I have
> decided to seek Net Wisdom(Tm).
> 
> The verse I can't seem to decipher is as follows...
> 
>        "The virginal brides, file past his tomb,
>         ________ flowers ____________ bloom.
>         Alone in a darkened room,
>         The count."
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.

Well, if you finger me, you will find the lyrics to Bela Lugosi's Dead:

Here's a recap:

[miller.cs.uwm.edu]
^*^   ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^  ^*^
                       
                ...white on white translucent black capes...
                              back on the rack
                             bela lugosi's dead
                ...the  bats  have  left  the  bell tower...
                         the victims have been bled
                        red velvet lines the black box
                             bela lugosi's dead
                 ...the virginal brides file past his tomb...
                        strewing time's dead flowers
                           bereft of deadly bloom
                          alone, in a darkened room
                                  the Count
                            bela lugosi's dead

^*^       ^*^          ^*^                 ^*^         ^*^    ^*^ 

^*^ fare thee well ^*^
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: Cannam@dagobert.sc.ZIB-Berlin.de (Chris Cannam)
Subject: Re: Lyrics question
Organization: Konrad Zuse Zentrum fuer Informationstechnik Berlin
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:04:41 GMT


In article <mcdonghj.722449593@unix2.tcd.ie> mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie
(Nascent Virion.....) writes:

|   In <1992Nov20.201030.16249@athena.mit.edu> nbrao@athena.mit.edu
|   (?????) writes:
|
|   >"I don't 
|   >sleep, so I don't dream, so I don't wake up frightened"
|
|   No Time to Cry     - Sisters of Mercy....  I think.


Isn't it `On The Wire'?

						Chris

Newsgroups: alt.gothic,alt.pagan,alt.magick,rec.games.frp.misc
From: mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Satanism and Gothdom?
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:31:08 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Nov21.205735.17498@Virginia.EDU> mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon") writes:
>Where do you find satanism in the music you mentioned?  I
>listen to it, I'm not a satanist...  I have friends who listen
>to it... they're not satanists...
>I can certainly see how someone who considers themself a
>satanist might be attracted to goth, but don't make the
>generalization that goths are satanists.

Relax. I don't think any one was saying that necessarily.
I myself am a practising Catholic. Sooo what???

To me that has very lttle to do with the music I listen to.
I am quite happy to listen to the Anti-Christ proclamations by Rozz
on Only Theatre of Pain or to listen to Carl Mc Coy preaching his own
beliefs in dark magic etc....
Who cares.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-John Mc Donagh.                   ~~                         {Nascent Virion}
mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie              ~~         "I dress my tears in costumes.."
				   ~~
"AAn anticipation of disaster brings forth collective nightmares
 And in silence, behind them come the twisted bodies of the dead"-Rozz/Paris
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: argent@iastate.edu (Christopher L Jorgensen)
Subject: Re: Top 10 Goth Albums, anyone?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:32:31 GMT

-- 
argent@iastate.edu       | They called me the fool, they called me the child
The Great Grendle-Knan,  | I found an angel of the night;
Earth rim roamer.        | The voice was low, the look was bright;
                         | She looked upon my crown and smiled. -Tennyson-
From: gtclark@festival.ed.ac.uk (G T Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Taslk of gothic revival (?)
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:09:03 GMT


	I think there has been,in Edinburgh at any rate.A couple of
years ago there were few people identifiably Gothic,but now there are
quite a few again.
	I blame Toni Halliday personally.

	Cabbage- I'm gtclark@festival.ed  . See you Friday?


	G.
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 12:06:49 -0500 
From: Scott Gregory <wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bauhaus' "Bela Lugosi's Dead"

Excerpts from netnews.alt.gothic: 20-Nov-92 Re: Bauhaus' "Bela
Lugosi's.. by Nascent Virion.....@unix 
> What LP did you get a lyric sheet with Bela Lugosi lyrics on it??
> None of mine had it...

    Its not from an LP, its from a well not rag really kind of a packet
filled with a bunch of old fliers and interviews and stuff from way back
then.  Got in somewhere in England.

-Scott

Newsgroups: alt.gothic,alt.music.alternative
From: Cannam@quattro.sc.ZIB-Berlin.de (Chris Cannam)
Subject: Children of God
Organization: Konrad Zuse Zentrum fuer Informationstechnik Berlin
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:52:42 GMT



Quick-fire round.

Can anyone tell me why the Swans' `Children of God' has
apparently not yet been reissued?  Does this make it the
only Swans album now out of print?  Will it be reissued
soon?  It's a bastard excellent album, but I never got
around to buying it when it was still available.

					Chris
From: ashaw@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Eldritch)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Bauhaus' "Bela Lugosi's Dead"
Summary: lots of things
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:39:59 GMT
Organization: Quite unorganized, thank you


   First off, I'd like to say that this slamming of other people's taste
in music is making me NAUSEOUS.  Banshee... so you don't like "A Passage
In Time."  That's fine.  You get your own opinion.  But to blatantly slam
the album (and inadvertantly [sp] the person who mentioned it) is childish.  So
too is Benjamin's  "Come back when you have a more complete list to
contribute to the world."  This greater-than-thou bullshit is truly infantile.

   As for gothdom being into satanism... most of the goths I know are
_not_ into it;  in fact if anything I should agree that it is an aesthetic
perspective.  Those people that I know who might be considered under the
title are more interested in perceptions of reality and enjoyment of being
that worshiping some recent Christian invention.  I myself don't even
believe in "the devil," but that's a whole other story.  Some of the
people I know practice magic (though not black as far as I know), others
follow pagan religions (which I suppose must classify them as satanic if
you're an orthodox christian).  I think satanism is a rather shallow
endeavor at best, but then that's only MHO.

    Peter Murphy:  I saw him back in 1990 in Washington DC the day before
Easter Sunday.  I had to work on easter sunday (I work in Georgetown), and
as I was walking up the street I saw him crossing the street carrying a
shopping bag.  At the time he had blond hair; Peter Murphy isn't someone
easily missed.  So I walked up to him (more like ran, I suppose) and
talked to him for a bit. We talked about the show, some past stuff (hence
the lyrical correction)... he was very polite, his eyes are that same blue
that is on the bauhaus tee-shirt with the face/blue eyes, he moves VERY
quickly and is pencil thin.  I thanked him for coming to DC, and told him
I hoped he'd return to play again soon.  He did. I was happy.  

	Adam
From: sylvuck@peche6.ensta.fr (Sylvain Chretien)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: wish tour
Date: 18 Nov 1992 09:16:04 GMT
Organization: Ecole Nationale Superieure de Techniques Avancees, Paris
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: peche6.ensta.fr

 	I've just seen the cure on concert for their last album. I find it very 
very good. Even if it's not the CUre form the beginning, it's better than during
a period. Hope they will continue on this way.

	Sylvain
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:46:19 EST
From: min215ii <MXR133@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: sigh, oh sigh; finding Gothic clothes in stores....
 <1992Nov17.043913.25712@Virginia.EDU>

RE: Gothic

Didn't mean to come off cold as I may have, your post appeared to be referring
solely to music, and I wasn't sure if you were "new" to goth... I guess I read
your post wrong. I agree completely with your comment; People shouldn't flipout
over trends, because that's all they are... If you appreciate what you're into,
 then what anybody else does shouldn't effect you, because it's a part of you,
whereas for them it's a passing trend... like... pants hanging down to your kne
es?

Later on...