HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Humpty Dumpty)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: We'll all burn in hell!
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:49:26 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs,alt.atheism,talk.politics.drugs
Organization: Notre Dame

In article <1992Oct14.125141.273@news.eng.convex.com>, gardner@convex.com
(Steve Gardner) wrote:

 Although, in actual fact, the majority of American
> 	catholics that I know pay very little attention to the silliness
> 	to come out of Rome.  They put their envelopes in the basket and
> 	go to communion and let the Pope rattle on.

It's unfortunate you've experienced such a dull and washed-down version
of Church. Some go to celebrate in joy and humility with their neighbors
before a common Creator. Some just go through the motions. Some form their
opinion of the Church not by their own experience, but by their relatives'
experience, or even worse, by the pathetic image of religion the media
portrays.
It's also unfortunate you are uneducated on the amount of social service
and
charitable acts that the Pope has administered.


> 	Sister Lucille didn't teach me to be open minded, she said
> 	that you can't be open minded about sin. ;-)

Instead of listening to sister Lucille, why not listen to Christ?
I think you'll find a man quite different than what so many today portray 
him as. . .talk about an open-minded radical.

As to your comment about Catholics never smoking dope, that's like saying
Catholics never sin. First you imply that smoking dope is a sin. Jesus said
we will be judged not by what we take in to ourselves, but what we release
(i.e. our actions). Also, you seem to imply that it's unquestionable for
a Catholic to sin. We sin as much as the next human, we just have a
different
way of dealing with it, that's all.

Peace,

Joe
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Absinthe
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 21:57:25 GMT


 In reference to thujone being the active component of absinthe: I had
always thought that an alkaloid called absinthine was the intoxicant,
although I am amware that hujone can intoxicate as well (not nearly as
much). I remember reading this in Emboden's book.

St. Anthony
         
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 19:05:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.014156.24510@adobe.com> mmwang@adobe.com (Michael W
ng) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.193000.27044@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.d
.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>>
>> In reply to the suggestion that the Supreme Court "protects civil
>>liberties":
>>>You don't have to go all the way back to Locke and Rousseau too see
>we have to literally fight for our freedoms. For example, we had the
>Civil Rights movement, and those that died believing in the rights
>supposedly guarenteed by the 14th and 15th Admendment. There was also
>the struggle for the right for women to vote, which again should have
>been protected by the 14th Admendment, but instead required an
>admendment of its own. We also had the bloody labor movement and the
>struggle for the right to negotiate terms of employment. And so on and
>so forth.
>
>I can not think of any civil right we currently enjoy (or use to enjoy
>:-( ) that didn't require a struggle (often violent) to obtain.
>
>-- 
>Michael Wang
>mmwang@mv.us.adobe.com



 I just hope that anyone who really values freedom is aware of this fact.
That's waht I wanted to get across. I have become opposed to peacefull
protest because I see it as becoming increasingly ineffectual. maybe I'm
wrong, but can _any_ peaceful protest claim victory? i wasn't born in the
60's and I feel that any demonstration that was done then is irrelevant
because we are now back to where we started from then. (I might add that I
am somewhat disgusted by the 60's culturalrevival that took place a few
years ago and is still trying to hold on. i want to have my own culture.)
Has it been demonstarted that peacefull protest is ineffectual? We have to
decide soon (now).

St. Anthony

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From: mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Recently.. (bong hits)
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:52:32 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Oct8.173103.15551@u.washington.edu> bigstar@hardy.u.washington.edu (J Paschel) writes:
>mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) writes:
>
>>The bong uses ice sprinkled with salt - which we call dry-ice... sorry about
>>this error on my part.  "real" dry ice would cool the smoke a little TOO much
>>for most anyone.  Ill post the plan for the bong (it is crude, but might help)
>>if anyone is interested.  just post so.
>
>YES !!! Please post your plans !!!
>-- 
>
>
>                 --=={{ bigstar@u.washington.edu }}==--
>

DRY ICE BONG  (typos are all mine... this is the "dry" ice version, not real
               frozen CO2 but salt and ice)
 
Take a fishing rod case (make sure it is metal! =) and cut the bottom off
about 2 1/2 feet from the end cap.  This piece will be the bong.  Discard
the rest or make a huge* dildo.
 
What we did was cut the end of the bong you suck out of so that it would fit
the contours of your face better.  All we did was cut and file the end so that
it was wider on the sides (for around your cheeks) and shorter on the top and
end of the bong [when looking DOWN on it]
 
This is important because it allows you to get a better toke.
 
We bought a bong pipe at a head shop, and made an extension out of a
hollowed out EraserMate (black) pen, and put it in about 8 inches from
the bottom.  Grommets were put in the 1/2inch hole to seal the bong pipe.
 
---
| |
| |
| |
| | /
| |/
| | <---    hole here
---
 
Now fill the chamber 3/4 full with ice cubes, and pour in two tablespoons
of salt (!).  Cover the top and shake lightly (shaken not stirred) and
then add 3 inches of water to the bong.  The bong is a "wet" bong in that
the ice is always melting, and water must be drained every 20 minutes or
so.
 
I have tried hundreds of bongs, including condensing bongs, and none have
had as much effect as this thick baby.
 
The ice and the salt really* take more effect when the chamber is 4" wide
(as is the case here).  The smoke will be PURE and TARFREE and SMOOTH.
 
even the harshest buds become great!

email me for details or if you have any questions.  I am not pretending that
these are good directions to making this bong, so feel free to ask me
if there is something that is confusing you (which is very likely)

mtymp15@epx.cis.umn.edu

-- 
It is better to light a candle then to curse the darkness....
mtymp15@epx.cis.umn.edu  OR  muffman@tfsquad.mn.org

meow
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: LSD and memory
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 05:46:57 GMT

cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:
: In article <1992Oct9.155854.2649@nrtpa038.bnr.ca> ANONYMOUS writes:
: 
: >  LSD  DEPLETES THE SUGAR AND VITAMIN C IN YOUR BRAIN AND BODY.  THIS COULD
: >CAUSE THE LACK OF CONCENTRATION.  OF COURSE HE COULD BE JUST DOING SOME HEAVY
: >DOSING.     LIFE.
: 
:     I can see why you want to remain anonymous.  What a bizarre claim... is
: this really how urban legends begin?
: 
:     If I were you, I'd cut the dose of whatever you're taking to 1/10.
: 
:     And please stop yelling.

But, don't all fanatics yell? I think it is part of their charter.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Heroin
From: bjbernstein@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:04:08 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

  A friend of mine this past summer was interested in doing heroin.. Seeing 
how half the sources out there are cencored or propaganda by the 
government, what is the real story?

  Basically, what does it do and what are the dangers?

  From what I understand, it's an 8 hour orgasm or such..

I have no intention of trying or aquiring this drug; I'm just finding out 
what's the deal..

Thanks..

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:31:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.040338.9450@athena.mit.edu> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:

>In article <1992Oct11.212254.11624@news.cs.indiana.edu> hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager) said:

>> Sander Vanocur asked the question -- what about legalization or some
>> other alternative to the drug war.  Clinton said that he was
>> CONVINCED that his brother was alive because of the criminal justice
>> system.  I think that this validates my observation on Clinton --
>> that he is emotional and irrational on this issue because of his
>> step-father's alcoholism and his half-brother's cocaine use.  I
>> don't think Clinton can be reasoned with.  Drug reform will only
>> come over strenuous Clinton opposition.

>> Gore is reputed to have said, "trust us..." on the subject of
>> cannabis.  I might trust Gore -- after all, he inhaled -- but
>> Clinton will fight rational drug policy every step of the way.

I disagree.  Clinton's no Milton Freedman, but IMO he isn't a
drug-warrior either.  Not by disposition.  He's a drug-warrior because
anyone who isn't one is likely to get about as many votes as, say, Andre
Marrou.

>You're probably right, but gods help me, I've gotta hope and pray for
>a Clinton victory anyway.  As President, Clinton probably won't move
>the nation one step in the right direction on drug policy, but I think
>he'll at least slow down its movement in the wrong direction.  If
>nothing else, a simple gut comparison of the two men leads me to
>believe that the nation will be *far* better off with Clinton filling
>whatever Supreme Court vacancies come up in 1993 thru 1996 than Bush.

>It's a "hold your nose" situation, admittedly, but I think that there
>is a definite difference in how much the two major candidates stink.

I agree totally.  Two points.

1) The president sets the agenda and tone for a policy.  While Clinton
isn't likely to start legalizing anything, he's ALSO not as likely to
make the WarOnCivilLiberties a major focus of his presidency.  Bush
*needs* things like this to distract people from the economy.  That's
why he calls attention to it all the time.

2) Bush is the worst of all possible worlds, not including David Duke.
Who else would veto an anti-Civil Liberties bill on the grounds that it
left too many of our rights intact?

I mean, lots of people were unhappy with the "anti-crime" bill for one
reason or another -- the Brady Bill section, for instance.  But to veto
it because it *didn't* wipe away habeas corpus? 

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Orioles 1993 World Series Champions
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Vote Clinton/Gore '92.   Four more weeks!!!   		"Bloody urine"
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: crossgl@infonode.ingr.com (Gordon Cross)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Keywords: New-Speak
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:59:33 GMT

In article <61111@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:

>     Depends on how many employers decide they'd like to make the same
>requirement. Look at what happened when a lot of companies started
>drug testing; it's very difficult to get a job (in some fields) these
>days without pissing in a bottle. (Of course, these days, it's hard to
>get a job.)

Uh, most of the drug testing being done is done as a requirement to procure
Federal contracts or under general government pressure.  Somehow I don't
think it would be as widespread if the DC boys left everyone alone ...

>     In spite of the way they trample their employees' privacy,
>companies like Blockbuster Video and Coors Brewery thrive. They may
>not be quite as bad as the hypothetical example, but they're bad
>enough.

The vast majority of the peons in the general population have been brainwashed
to the point that they think this is a good idea.  Blockbuster may well be
thriving *because* of this policy rather than in spite of it.
-- 

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:38:31 GMT

>>I like the part about "fear gun regulation" as if it weren't about
>>some BAN on firearms. Well, it _IS_ about BANNING firearms; Chicago
>>has banned new handguns, and many semi-auto rifles as well. 
>
>Chicago is banning firearms because of the ever increasing murder rate.
                             ^^^^^^^
>Every day people are getting killed and its making the news and
>alot of people are very concerned about it.

I don't think so. It is just an excuse and they will find another
if needed.

				mike
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,bionet.neuroscience,sci.bio,sci.med
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Affecting hallucinations via other drugs
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:53:54 GMT
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In article <1992Oct9.124649.23489@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith) writes:
>
>
>>	Hello. I was considering the Hasashin (sp, I know), a group in the 
>>middle ages of assasins whose loyalty was insured through an interesting 
>>(and unethical) usage of drugs. The candidate was knocked out, placed in a 
>>lush garden-type setting with women (it was all-men), opiates, etc. 
>>available. They were then, after a fun time, knocked out again. They were 
>>told that if they died while completing a mission, they would be 
>>transported to this heaven forever.
>
>The account comes from Marco Polo who wrote about the story that was
>circulating some 70 years after Hassan's cult was wiped out.  The
>hashishim, according to more scholarly sources, derived their name
>from the saying that material things were no more important than
>grass.  The arabic word for grass is "hashish".  Actually, hashish
>was a commonly used intoxicant in the Arabic world -- alcohol was 
>verboten.

From what I've gathered from Akhron Daruahl's book "A History of Secret 
Societies" the "assassins" were a major power well after Marco Polo's voyage.
In fact, from what I gather, the assassins were a major power during the
crusades & this interaction of cultures is where we get out information on
this interesting group. 
Also, his account agrees with "Polo's" (If indeed Marco Polo did give an
account of them; I thought Polo went to china...). Seems to me that the
history of the Assassins is pretty well verified..
 
>
>Given that Polo's account is heresay built upon heresay, coupled with
>the fact that Hassan and his group were heretics during a time when
>heretics were demonized -- but what else is new -- it is quite likely
>that the stories were pure fabrications and myths that were used to
>validate the widespread view that the Hassan cult was composed of
>depraved and degraded people.  Think of it as being similar to the
>stories of Jews using the blood of gentile babies in their rituals
>or the modern variant of "Satanists" -- so-called -- using the blood
>of babies in theirs.

-Scott
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From: j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Humpty Dumpty)
Subject: Re: We'll all burn in hell!
Followup-To: alt.drugs,alt.atheism,talk.politics.drugs
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:36:07 GMT

> 	Why are you posting this goofy nonsense to alt.drugs?  Do you
> 	really think anyone cares what the pope thinks about drugs or
> 	for that matter about anything at all?

What, do you think Catholics don't ever toke up?
There are a lot of people who pay attention to what the pope said. Maybe
they
aren't in your circle of acquaintances, but they're out there.
 
> 		This is your pope.
> 		This is your pope speaking ex cathedra.
> 		Any questions?
> 		
> 
Yeah, one question: Is it too much to ask to respect other people's
religion?
Or does that require you to act too much like an open-minded person?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Safrole
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 13:43:19 GMT


Steam-distill it! Maybe soak the root in ethanol and remove it in vacuo,
then steam-distill the residue.

St. Anthony

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From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:32:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct05.203054.17007@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:
> There is a much stronger correlation between anesthetic efficacy and
> molecular size (given an appropriate lipophilicity), which supports
> the theory that it's a physical effect.

On the other hand, there are amusing things such as alfaxalone and
delta-16-alfaxalone.  They differ, obviously, in one bond; the former
is a steroid anesthetic and the latter is an antagonist thereto.
The theory I heard was that in the former, the C-17 side chain is
on a saturated carbon and so is axial, while in the latter it's
equatorial; the first case is claimed to perturb lipid bilayers
and the second to stabilize them.

>     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu


Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.elections
From: greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Keywords: New-Speak
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 12:14:14 EDT

In article <#V7-35+@engin.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu writes:

>Utopia does not exist and government can't make it exist.

Come on.  Who said anything about Utopia?


>Do you really think that most third world countries are operating
>capitalist economies?  Also, it is very easy to look at working
>conditions in other countries and deplore them.  However you are
>deploring them based on our standard of living.  The wages earned and
>the working conditions endured by workers in third world countries
>may be dramatically better than what they used to endure.  As their
>economy grows, their living standard will increase and wages and
>working conditions will improve.  Wages and working conditions
>rose in this country *not* due to laws and union demands but because
>of increased productivity, lower prices and the resulting improvement
>in the standard of living.

The claim that wage/working condition changes in this country were due
*solely* to an expanding economy is arguable, at best.  (Frankly, I don't
even think it's arguable.  That it was one cause, sure--but come on, the
*only* cause?!)

Do you care to provide some objective evidence to support this claim?


-- 
J. S. Greenfield                                         greeny@top.cis.syr.edu
(I like to put 'greeny' here, 
but my d*mn system wants a 
*real* name!)                        "What's the difference between an orange?"
From: v094px3a@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Brian Mauger)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Inner Center
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:32:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9210080512.AA07280@Willamette.EDU>, amessing@WILLAMETTE.EDU (Adam Messinger) writes...
> 
>In addition to 5-MeO-DMT does anyone know what other drugs Inner Center
>has declared to be sacrements?  I understood that they also had cocaine and speed analogues.  Anyone?
> 
Does this mean Inner Center is selling 5-MeO-DMT now?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ap.5793@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] Yohimbe
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.5793@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:55:10 GMT



I've read alt.drugs for years now, and it amazes me how little is said about
Yohimbe.  (aka Yohimbine, Yohimbine HCl, etc) 

Yohimbe is a "mild aprodesiac and stimulant", it is an MAO inhibitor, and
thus also has antidepressant qualities.  Yohimbe comes from the root and 
bark of the african tree Yohimbe Corianthis (sp?).

Yohimbe currently enjoys quasi-legal status.  I've heard that it is illegal
to import, but not illegal to sell or posess.  Ask for it from herb stores
or stores catering to bodybuilders.

Yohimbe is not a safe drug.  If you get it in its root form, dosage can be 
difficult to guage.  Always start with small doses, and increase gradually.

According to one source, Yohimbe should not be taken with foods rich in 
tryptophans (milk, cheeses, bananas, pineapple...many more).  In case of
an overdose, get medical help--it's no bust to see a doctor.

My personal experiences with yohimbe have been mixed.  The drug doesn't make
you 'high' in the usual sense---it just alters your perceptions and stimulates
"erectile tissue".  Sex on yohimbe is great; more of a firestorm orgasm than
a volcanic one.  The aphrodesiac effect is overrated; it doesn't make you
lust after someone--instead you're just more sexed-up, more ready.

Overdosage sucks.  You feel sick.  You can't sleep.  You hate yourself for
taking too much (ten tablespoons of ground bark brewed into a tea is WAY
too much).  Don't do it.

Try it while you can.  It is one of the few substances you can still get in
herbal stores that has any effect at all.  Nobody i've talked to thinks it 
will be legal for long.


		IT WILL GET WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER

Let's end this travesty; support legalization, NORML and the Libertarian party.



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