From: v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:14:00 GMT
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In article <DAVIDM.92Oct7193638@consilium.com>, davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson) writes...
>>>>>> On 5 Oct 92 09:50:21 GMT, dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) said:
> 
>> They obviously had a NEED for Barclay to give him an order, and they hardly
>> could have let that happen with LT O'brien visibly outranking Barclay...
>> BUT, as we have seen this season, the "pip department" has suddenly run
>> totally amok!  Characters left and right are having their pips screwed up.
> 
>Who else had their pips messed up *this* season?  I think the pips for almost
>all the characters have been screwed up from time to time since the very
>beginning of the show.  For instance, I haven't seen good explanations of:
> 
>1. Troi's rank (the one un'pip'ped officer!).
	Troi doesn't wear an official SF uniform usually, so she can relate to
	her patients better (speculation only)

>2. Lt. J.G. Worf's promotion to Lt.
	As far as I know, his promotion occured after Lt. Yar's death (I guess
	the Chief of Security on the Big E must be a Lt.

>3. Lt. J.G. La Forge's promotion to Lt. Cmdr.
	When he became Chief of Engineering, the promotion occured (If my
	memory serves me correctly)

>4. Wesley Crusher's demotion to Cadet.
	Wesley wasn't demoted per se, because officially he wasn't an Ensign.
	Picard just promoted him because since Wes had the duties of an Ensign,
	he might as well have the rights of one.  But the promotion was only
	a field promotion until Wes made it to the Academy.

>5. O'Brien's demotion to sub-Ensign.
	Not even touching it with a ten foot pole }(;->)

>6. Distinguishing non-coms from officers or non-com ranks.
	Not touching since it was brought up in the "O'Brien Rank" cra...errr...
	business.

> 
>The only rank changes that have made sense are:
> 
>1. Riker's demotion back to Cmdr. (why he took it, though...).
>2. Lt. Cmdr Crusher's promotion to Cmdr. after Starfleet tour.
	As far as I know, she was a Cmdr. before then.  But I could be mistaken.
	(I asked for her rank once, and this observation was mentioned MANY
	times by different people)

>3. Wesley Crusher's promotion to full Ensign by Picard.
> 
>>>william@cs.arizona.edu (William E. Hertling) writes:
>> >O'Brien was referred to as a Lieutenant during the first and second season,
>> >whenever he appeared on the show.  When he became a regularly appearing 
>> >crew member, his rank "dropped" to Chief Petty Officer. 
> 
>> Phew, that's some imagination!  :->   What causes someone's rank to "drop"
>> magically like that?   He became a "regular" semi-regular in the *second*
>> season, and up until "Realm" his rank was always exactly the same: LT.
> 
>The same magic that did the above changes?

Not even touching it.
> 
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Just my $0.02
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