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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:17:03 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 286

In this issue:
                      looking for some help . . .
                      The Bible and Homosexuality
                    GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 285
                          Religeon on the Net
                             Bible concerns
                               Bible-poll
                             Poll ban poll
                           US Teens and AIDS
                      Sexuality survey -- careful!
                       Subscribe to OUT! Magazine
                             AIDS charities

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From: "The Queer Cavalier [K. Ritz]" <klr7a@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 16:50:33 EDT
Subject: looking for some help . . .

Hi, Netters!!

I am asking for help on a very interesting matter . . . My fraternity (Alpha
Phi Omega) is considering bringing up a motion at our National Convention
this December to add sexual orientation to our nondiscrimination clause.  I
am currently on a listserv thingy for our fraternity, and came across this.
I am hoping that people on Gaynet could help refute these.  If you can,
please contact me personally.  Also, let me know if you mind your name being
resent to my fraternity's list, because I'd like to repost this stuff to the
list.  If you don't want your name on there, just let me know and I'll delete
it.  Thanks everyone!
_________________________

> I thought to illustrate the point I would choose one active chapter
> from each region that I believe would have a great deal of problems
> with their administration after the national convention passes this
> change.
>
> Region  College                      Comment
> I       St. Peters College (eves)
> II      St. Bonaventure U.           Probably also Villanova
> III     Catholic U.                  Georgetown as well.
> IV      Citadel                      Military instead of Relig.
> V       Duquesne U.                  Strong Catholic School
> VI      Illinois Wesleyan U.         Wesleyan's are religious.
> VII     Texas Christian U.           and about 5 others in VII
> VIII    Central Methodist Coll.      & Wentworth Mil. Acad.
> IX      College of St. Thomas        & 1/2 of Section 23.
> X       Brigham Young College        Goodby Utah
>
> If I have erred in the policies of any of these schools please let me
> know and I will apologize. However from Name and/or Reputation of
> these schools, these are my choices.

In stressed out, end-of-semester frustration,

Kevin Ritz, klr7a@virginia.edu
Joy and laughter, love and affection, keep us moving in the right
direction . . .         --The Thompson Twins, _Here's to Future Days_

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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 16:27:42 CDT
From: tpm@anat.UMSMED.EDU (Terence P. Ma)
Subject: The Bible and Homosexuality

Having been on GayNet for a while now, I have noticed that there are
several cycles we go through.  One of these cycles is the discussion
of the Bible and homosexuality.

Personally, I think it is perfectly appropriate.

For those who are interested, I have an outstanding pamphlet on that
very subject from the Archdiocese of Baltimore (Roman Catholic) that
I am willing to snail to folks (too much to type into the system).
Please send me your snail address if you want a copy.

It should be noted that many of us get GayNet in digest form only
and do not have access to it through netnews.  In addition, many of
us do not have access to alt.* groups (I don't have it on my machine
because it takes up too much space).  The soc.* and talk.* groups
live on the machine for a VERY short time.  And I rarely even get
the time to read anything outside of email anymore.  Lastly, for
those of us on the mailing digest, the info letter we get states:

> Welcome to the GayNet mailing list.  This is a list about gay and
> lesbian concerns on college campuses, including (but not limited
> to) outreach programs, political action, AIDS education, dealing
> with school administrations, social programs, and just finding out
> what other support groups are doing.  Items of general gay/lesbian
> interest are also welcome.  The list is not moderated.

Perhaps it is now out-of-date (I joined Feb. 1991).

Regards!
--
Terence P. Ma, Ph.D.		     VOICE:	601-984-1654
Department of Anatomy		     FAX:	601-984-1655
University of Mississippi Med. Ctr.  INTERNET:	tpm@anat.UMSMED.EDU
Jackson, MS 39216-4505		     UUCP:	... uunet!tpm-sprl!tpm

- --> If it were easy, some one would have done it already.  Anon. <----

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Date:    Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:01:24 CDT
From: 0206457@NORTHWEST.MISSOURI.EDU (IF LOVE WAS MUSIC I WOULD BE A SECOND
 BETHOVEN.)
Subject: RE: GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 285

stop sending messages to my account.... don't you understand??

Mohammad.

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From: eshumake@NMSU.Edu
Subject: Religeon on the Net
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 16:08:40 MDT

I feel that the issue of Religeon is quite appropriate for the net.
Gaynet is used as an open forum on many topics in our everyday lives,
and, regretably, for some that includes dealing with those who would
use religeon as an excuse to descriminate against us.  It also is a
point that many in the gay community need to address, not only during
their commong out period, but thruout their lives.

Andrew also brought up a good point: access.  Many locals don't carry
the alt.*** newsgroups, or only allow certain ones.  From what I've
seen, alt.politics.homosexuality is one of the early ones to go.
Therefore, by limiting religeon to that group, you limit access by a
large segment of the community.

For thew above reasons, I hereby "vote" in favor of continuing the
discussion of religeon on this net.

PS: the second post sounded a bit haughty: did you expect your first
post to immediately and completely stop this line of discussion?

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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 15:14:51 PDT
From: don@cheetah.math.oxy.edu
Subject: Bible concerns

Folks were disputing whether Bible talk belongs on this 'net.  I'll
offer no opinion on that one, but remember:

Religion is learned behavior; it can also be unlearned.

- don

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Don Goldberg                    Occidental College
Department of Mathematics       Los Angeles, CA 90041

don@oxy.edu [NeXT mail accepted]
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:48:23 EDT
From: dwoolwin@cc.gettysburg.edu
Subject: Bible-poll

I find the discussions of Christianity and homosexuality boring and old hat
- since I went through all that a long time ago, but I realize others are
going through it now, and it is gay related and so my vote is:
It belongs on the net (boring as it may be -  I usually just skip it.)
David E. Woolwine                         717-337-6187
Sociology and Anthropology Department     dwoolwin@cc.gettysburg.edu
Gettysburg College
Gettysburg, PA 17325

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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:51:19 EDT
From: dwoolwin@cc.gettysburg.edu
Subject: Poll ban poll

I would like to have a poll on whether we should have a poll on whether we
should ban anything from the net.
(Just kidding!!!!)
David E. Woolwine                         717-337-6187
Sociology and Anthropology Department     dwoolwin@cc.gettysburg.edu
Gettysburg College
Gettysburg, PA 17325

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Newsgroups: rpi.mail.gaynet
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: US Teens and AIDS
Distribution: local
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:49:37 GMT
Apparently-To: rpi-mail-gaynet

dwoolwin@cc.gettysburg.edu writes:

>Rep. Patricia Schroeder of Colorado's Select Committee on Children, Youth,
>and Families has just issued a report on US teenagers and AIDS. It is
>entitled "Teens and AIDS: A Decade of Denial". Anyone interested in seeing
>the preliminary findings, or rather a summary of them, can obtain them by
>calling the committee at 202-226-7660.
>Last night she was on McNeil/Lehrer and had to face off with some real
>idiot of a minister from California, who said that Congresswoman Schroeder
>was working in conjuction with "gay activists" and was in an "unholy
>alliance with NOW" . I would like to believe that he was such an idiot that
>he did his own cause only harm. He also claimed that condoms should not be
>used because of the much hyped rate of failure and because "they were not
>designed to protect against AIDS" which strikes me as the most bizarre
>argument against condom use I have ever heard.

I saw this last night and was truly amazed. I was incredibly surprised that
the fundie minister was African-American!! Now, I know Blacks can be
homophobic and/or ignorant [e.g. Justice Clarence Thomas] but this man was
completely off the wall. He kept on talking about how the AIDS virus is 500
times smaller than ``what condoms were designed to protect against'' [he
could NOT bring himself to say the word "sperm"].

What I thougt was really cool is that Pat [Schroeder] came up with the perfect
analogy, on the spot, it looked to me. "When I send my children to a party I
tell them not to drink alcohol, but I *also* tell them that if they do, they
better not get into a car. Call a cab, ride with a friend, or call me and I
will come get them. Can't you see the analogy here? By telling them not to
drive drunk, am I encouraging them to drink?''

*thud* That was the sound of the fundies' argument falling into the Hudson.

>Only in America should such arguments be taken seriously by large numbers
>of people. I have heard it said, and I increasingly believe it to be true,
>that ours is largely a truth denying culture. I think Christianity, as
>practiced by the majority of Christians, has done much to promote this
>denial of truth and the willful blindness in the face of simple facts.

Oh, but there's MORE! On _Crossfire_ [in my attempt to be omniscient as well
as omnipresent I was watching PBS and CNN simultaneously] this Minister was
talking about how his two daughters ``have been raised in such a way that they
do not need to know what a condom is. I have confidence in them.'' So when the
person accuse him of advocating for "Just Say NO or Die!" he started talking
about the glories of the 1950s, when teenage pregnancy was 1/10 of what it is
today, and ``AIDS did not exist''.

These people are a *trip*.

Great performance by Schroeder, though. Except someone *needs* to tell that
woman how to accessorise! Every time I see her she is wearing some *nasty*
bulky, gaudy necklace. Time to call the fashion police! :-)

>David E. Woolwine                         717-337-6187
>Sociology and Anthropology Department     dwoolwin@cc.gettysburg.edu
>Gettysburg College
>Gettysburg, PA 17325

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Sure you can get aids from a mosquito -- if you have unprotected anal sex
 with  one!"

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Newsgroups: rpi.mail.gaynet
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Sexuality survey -- careful!
Distribution: local
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:39:33 GMT
Apparently-To: rpi-mail-gaynet

mike.w.miller.40@nd.edu writes:

>If anyone would like more info on the Notre Dame survey (which was really
>splendidly written, if I may say so), please get in touch with me.  If
>there is enough interest, I may (*sigh*) type it in for everyone...
``Make it so.'' :-)

[I think it would be interesting to take a PEAK at this survey,anyway]

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Birth Control is disgusting--people using each other for pleasure."
                               Randall Terry, Chairman, Operation Rescue.

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From: Rondel K. Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>
Subject: Subscribe to OUT! Magazine
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 02:55:47 -0500

***Chuck LeDuc <gt1342@prism.gatech.edu> posted this to soc.motss***

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- -
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Birth Control is disgusting--people using each other for pleasure."
                               Randall Terry, Chairman, Operation Rescue.

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From: Tim Cook <timc@kbss.bt.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 08:01:52 BST
Subject: AIDS charities

I heard on the TV last night that Queen have donated profits from
the Freddy Mercury gig (which is at Wembley on Easter Monday)to the
Terrence Higgins Trust which is one of the main AIDS charities in the UK

The amount is a cool one million pounds ($1.7 million).

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