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From: mcohen@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Anyone have the script to FWWM?
Organization: Clark University
Date: 31 AUG 92 03:04:52 GMT

In early June I went to a local Star Trek convention, and one of the dealers 
of posters and other tv/movie merchandise had the script for FWWM for sale.  I 
was tempted, but decided to hold off and see the film first.  Now, with all 
the talk of clips still sitting on the editing room floor, I wish I had the 
script to fill in the blank spots!

So I'm wondering, does anyone have the script?  If so, does it help???

If anyone wants the script, I have the address around someplace...think it was 
$20...just ask...

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From: C491153@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU (John Schultz)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: More on FWWM
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:30:01 GMT

spoilers ahead...














Everyone keeps referring to Leland's wound in FWWM, but is this really a
wound?  I don't recall him being injured at all in the train car.  I thought
that the blood that BOB removed from Leland (and turned into garmonbozia)
was Laura's blood.

The angel in the Lodge was not played by Heather Graham, I just remembered
looking at the credits for the two angels...

Also, someone mentioned a shooting script which I believe was posted here
a few months ago, but I never saved.  Stupid me.  I checked the archives on
Audrey, and was able to find a FWWM timeline, but it did not have the cut
scenes that this shooting script seemed to have.  If anyone has a copy, I
would appreciate a copy or a pointer to one.  Thanks.

John Schultz (caffeine abuser)   !  ABC killed Laura Palmer
c491153@mizzou1.bitnet           !  Macintosh-free and proud of it!
c491153@mizzou1.missouri.edu     !  Subscriber to the hacker ethic
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From: ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair)
Subject: Re: FWWM - spoilers...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:08:19 GMT

sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:

>ronette gets her letter B when leland taints her IV in the hospital in the
>second season.

   Has this been established?

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From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Re: I saw FWWM ** SPOILERS !! **
Summary: Grandson/Bob, White Lodge/Angels, Space/flames
Keywords: connections
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:27:40 GMT


Aha! Some things are starting to make sense here..
>
>
>Kay Carter <carterk@cgsvax.claremont> writes:
>>    2.  If "The Man Behind the Mask" is Bob behind the mask of the
>>posess), What exactly is the meaning of the paper mache mask?
>
>When the younger Tremond (or whatever his name really is) said that line
>*with* the mask on, did anyone else get the feeling that somehow Bob and
>him were related?

 Ok, young boy (grandson).. remember in the series Leland told Cooper that
 this family lived at a certain address, and that Bob was one that lived
 there and that he used to torment him, flick matches at him and say something
 to the effect of "Want to play with fire, little boy?" or "Fire, walk with
 me". Maybe the grandson represents Bob when he was alive (and young)?


>>    3.  Who is the Shaman from the David Bowie scence? (I liked him)
>
>I'm not sure who you are talking about, since there were two (?) new
>characters in that scene, one fellow with the white face and long nose
>(similar to the mask) and another guy who just sat and laughed I believe
>I have no idea who either of them are, though.
>
 One of the new characters (man with beard raising his arm) I *think* could
 be the spirit "Mike". The guy dancing around in the white mask *could* be
 someone we haven't fully seen before. Ie: "The Magician".


>>        5.  Did Laura Palmer get to the White Lodge at the end? (I think so,
>>the angel may have been from more of the traditional heaven, but I think that
>>the White Lodge is what you make it.  Anyhow, I was glad it all seemed to work
>>out for her, well, except for being dead and all.)

 Yes, Laura was about to enter, or IN The White Lodge at the end.. it was
 supposed to be a happy ending. A note from the soundtrack, the song that is
 played at the end is called "The Voice of Love" and we all know Love is
 what opens the door to the White Lodge. Another comment, in Laura's dream
 where Annie says she has been with Cooper and Laura in the Lodge and says
 that the good Cooper is stuck in "The Lodge" (doesn't specify which one) and
 cannot leave, does that mean the good Laura is also stuck in the lodge with
 the possibility of leaving? (Like in Cooper's dream.. I'll see you again in
 25 years).

>I'm not really sure of the significance of the angel, but I thought it
>related back to her line earlier in the movie about all the angels
>leaving and not being able to help you.
>
 The line that was quoted earlier about falling and falling faster in
 space until you burst into flames.. can you remember from the series where
 they show an Owl in space, a robed figure and then it bursts into flames?
 This robed figure, could he be the person dancing around in the Bowie seen
 who is The Magician?
  
  -=*George*=-
From: C491153@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu (John Schultz)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: I saw FWWM ** SPOILERS !! **
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:03:28 GMT

Arr, matey!  Thar be spoilers here!



















Kay Carter <carterk@cgsvax.claremont> writes:
>    2.  If "The Man Behind the Mask" is Bob behind the mask of the
>posess), What exactly is the meaning of the paper mache mask?

When the younger Tremond (or whatever his name really is) said that line
*with* the mask on, did anyone else get the feeling that somehow Bob and
him were related?

>    3.  Who is the Shaman from the David Bowie scence? (I liked him)

I'm not sure who you are talking about, since there were two (?) new
characters in that scene, one fellow with the white face and long nose
(similar to the mask) and another guy who just sat and laughed I believe
I have no idea who either of them are, though.

>        5.  Did Laura Palmer get to the White Lodge at the end? (I think so,
>the angel may have been from more of the traditional heaven, but I think that
>the White Lodge is what you make it.  Anyhow, I was glad it all seemed to work
>out for her, well, except for being dead and all.)

I'm not really sure of the significance of the angel, but I thought it
related back to her line earlier in the movie about all the angels
leaving and not being able to help you.

John Schultz (caffeine abuser)   !  ABC killed Laura Palmer
c491153@mizzou1.bitnet           !  Macintosh-free and proud of it!
c491153@mizzou1.missouri.edu     !  Subscriber to the hacker ethic
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Now we know who Mike is... (SPOILERS)
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:19:58 GMT
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In-reply-to: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca's message of Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:42:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.084258.5488@cs.mun.ca> georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel) writes:

    I mean when Laura enters "The Bar" in Canada to meet Jacques and Ronnette all

    you see is sex, drugs and rock and roll. I mean girls dirty dancing on the
    floor like they were doing, stripping down, guys licking the breasts of
    women and women being "eaten out" (Laura..under the table) and then have
    Jacques (or someone) saying "Welcome to Canada" didn't seem too pleasing. I
    for one would like to know of any bars in Canada which are like *that*. :-)

Ever been down Jonge Street in Toronto?  Or the environs?

-30-
Bob
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Little Things
Date: 2 Sep 1992 02:34:47 GMT
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In-reply-to: C491153@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU's message of 1 Sep 92 23:49:53 GMT

In article <9209012350.AA03434@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> C491153@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU (John Schultz) writes:
   Jon Blow <blojo@xcf.berkeley.edu> writes:

   Spoilers ahead...

   >    Leland's "levitation trick" in the movie also seemed like some sort
   >    of formal ceremonial bow or something.  The other people in the room
   >    were looking at him in a proud/impressed manner; I get the feeling
   >    that he was taking a bow in connection with the impressive situation
   >    he had managed to create.

   I don't know about this, I got the impression that BOB was the one
   levitating Leland, such as to say 'Look what power I have over him.'

I don't think it was that so much as an inhabiting spirit's version of
running a car up on the rack to service it.  Bob wanted to heal
Leland's wound, so he levitated him to where he could do it.

-30-
Bob

``Cable bends steel''
From: kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: What the OAM said
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:16:47 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

In article <37591@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ww10aac@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead) writes:
>Many probably missed what the OAM said in the car to Leland and Laura
>when Leland was revving the engine, honking the horn and screaming:

   (stuff deleted)
 Thank you very much for posting that.  I couldn't make out one word
 of what was said during all the yelling and revving...
 
  Ken D.
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Lodge wound...
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:54:59 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon

In article <1850k8INN7ah@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bp092@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Mike Ogrinz) wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> Anyone else mention yet that the wounds Cooper and Leland have
> while in the lodge seem identical? Perhaps a by-product of
> posession?

The similarity certainly struck me. However, if you look at the shooting
script that is now incorporated into the timeline, you will see that
originally, there are shots of Leland stuffing a bloody towel in his shirt
and dropping it along with some pages from the diary at Glastonbury Grove
before he enters. Hawk found them in the tv series, remember?

On the other hand the timeline states 'Bob heals Lelands wound'. I wish the
owner would check and see if that is literally what was said or whether it
was an interpretation that got added after the person who had done the
posting saw the film in Japan.

The shots that follow BOBs act strongly suggest that it represents the
sorrow, etc. that BOB managed to generate in the traincar.  Remember that
Mike says, "Do you understand the parasite? It attaches itself to a life
form and
feeds.  Eh.  BOB requires a human host.  He feeds on fear...and the
pleasures."

BOB was also Mike's 'familiar', hence the LMFAP demanding a share, in fact
all, the garmonzobia.

-Rich Haller
From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Little Things
Date: 2 Sep 1992 03:06:00 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu


Now I might be completely stupid, but I thought the levitation of Leland,
was not Leland per say, but his spirit soul. I thought that while the
"spirit" BOB inhabitated Leland that he place Leland's spiritual presence
elsewheres, ie the Black Lodge. Therefore, Leland's spirit, soul, is
hanging suspended in the Lodge.  Hawk stated in the first season that
there are two souls, one that stays with the body, and one that wanders,
so one of these souls of Leland could be take out and placed in the Lodge
as BOB takes over.  It also seems to me that it is Leland's pain/suffering
which is being eaten, and I thought it was BOB who was doing the eating.
So not only does he feed on the fear, horror of his murder of Laura, but
he also feeds on the pain/suffering of the hanging soul of Leland. Maybe
that is how it comes about that Leland never remembers, since BOB eats
on the fear, pain that the suspended soul feels.

Sally--
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And I'll see you//And you'll see me          ||    Sally  A.  Wilson
And I'll see you in the branches that blow   ||    Spud   Peel
In the breeze,//I'll see you in the trees    ||    sally@mica.berkeley.edu
Under the sycamore trees       (_Sycamore_Trees_  Lynch/Badalamenti)
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From: del@fnx.uucp (Dag Erik Lindberg)
Subject: Re: FWWM: MIKE and BOB (the spirits, not the students)
Organization: I/Ovations
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:47:27 GMT

In <29AUG92.01294495@vax.clarku.edu> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>My understanding is that MIKE is some kind of spirit and BOB is his
>familiar. MIKE feeds on pain and sorrow, and BOB (who goes out and 
>does the dirty work) feeds on fear and brings back subjects and their
>misery for MIKE. Alot of this is implied, so correct me if I'm wrong.

I think that Mike, as with all characters (save one), there is a good
incarnation and an evil one.  The evil doppleganger collects the
garmonbozia.

>My question is, why did MIKE warn Laura about her father in the traffic
>scene in the movie? I thought that MIKE wasn't "purified" until after 
>Laura's death. And after Laura's murder we see him retrieving "pain and
>sorrow" from BOB in the Black Lodge.

The Mike at the traffic scene was the good Mike.  In the series, Mike
talks about cutting off his own arm to keep Bob out.  Notice how there
is a common thread about the left arm.  Anyway, in cutting off the left
arm, Mike has permanently anchored his good doppleganger in the TP world.

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                          Who is John Galt?
From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: let's rock
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:09:37 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: irpsws81.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Sep1.220922.14539@math.utexas.edu>
akessler@bernard.ma.utexas.edu (Adam Kessler) writes:
>I need help on the "Let's Rock" on the windshield. Where did that reference
>come from?
>
Zounds!  My first post to alt.tv.tp.

The phrase in question was the first thing that we heard the LMFAP
say way back in the first appearance of the Red Room in 1002 or
1003.  Do i know what it means in this context?  No.
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway
From: ww10aac@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: A positive FWWN reveiw!
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:52:00 GMT

Hey, I found a positive review of FWWM in the San Diego Union-Tribune!
The headline reads "Lynch in top form in disturbing, quirky 'Twin Peaks"
movie."  The reviewer is not a Twin peaks fan and was "not prepared for
the churning, brooding power" of FWWM.  He says it is "Lynch's most disturbing
movie since 'Eraserhead.'

Some excerpts:

Even devout fans of the series may get lost a few times watching the film -
plot is not Lynch's interest - but it's the murky, jarring suction of the movie
that makes it fascinating and very oddly convincing
...
The opening is lullingly familiar.  We're back in the woods nowhere of
Lumberton, where almost everyone seems, under normal skin, like the inbred
cousin of a space alien.
...
The story has heavy shadows in daylight, then plunges past midnight.  Lynch and
cinematographer Ron Garcia, whose images rival Frederick Elmes' work on
previous Lynch films, achieve dramatic delicacies of light that feast on both
ugliness and beauty, so that the two seem to be trading masks, their truer
faces mysteriously hidden.
Lynch achieves more moody grip in a visual instant than most directors do over
an entire film.  He's a preening virtuoso, mannered to excess, but only a fool
would deny that he's an artist (and so is Angelo Badalamenti, whose score
carpets the film with textural touches of great variety).
Lynch's fascination with evil seems more genuine than his candid, boyish sense
of good.  What saves him from being "sick" or provocative is his romance with
movies.  For him the camera is the crystal ball of a disturbed but somehow
elevated world, magically beautiful even in harsh moments, a world that exists
to mesmerize.
As Laura, Sheryl Lee is remarkable.  She has been directed to be a kind of
peachy malt shop virgin, but poisoned by a family life that is hypocritical
hell.  Lee's acting is achingly sincere at moments, and seconds later a knowing
spoof of lousy TV acting, yet she is far beyond a soapster like Susan Lucci.
A preview audience that seemed made up mostly of "Twin Peaks" TV fans came to
giggle and hoot.  Lynch invites that response at first, then pulls the rug out
from under it, exposing the magical rot of Lumberton.




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From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Black Lodge Tarot.
Date: 2 Sep 1992 02:42:12 GMT
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In-reply-to: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca's message of 1 Sep 92 22:29:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.192900.7259@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:

   I was jjst thinking... not only did Aleister Crowley write "moonchild", 
   he also designed a set of Tarot cards. Does anyone out there have this set?

Yes.  You should be able to pick up a copy in any New Age/Occult
store.  There's also a whole book by Crowley explaining the Tarot,
using his version as the Tarot to be deciphered.  This is a fairly
full book called something like _The Tarot of Thoth_ or some such.
There is also a smaller pamphlet that is about the Tarot in general,
not Crowley's own brand.

   How is it different from, say, the Rider tarot cards?

It's the same suits and all, but Crowley uses a lot of his own
personal symbolism, developed from his days in the Golden Dawn, his
``reception'' of the Book of the Law, the development of his own
mystical organizations (the O.:T:.O and the A.:A:.), etc.

							 Maybe there's a himt in 
   the cards...

Look!  It's Leland Palmer as the Hanged Man!  Cooper as the Magus!
BoB as Death!  I just got the Ace of Coffee Cups!  (My Ghod, a Twin
Peaks Tarot set?!?)

-30-
Bob

``We place no reliance
  On virgin or pigeon.
  Our method is science.
  Our aim is religion.''
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From: sterling@crash.cts.com (Mike Sterling)
Subject: Twin Beaks
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:44:51 GMT

My daughter was watching Seaseme Street yesterday and Monsterpiece Theater came on.  The episode was Twin Beaks.  It was rather interesting, as Agent Cookie 
was attempting to discover why it was called Twin Beaks.  There were many refrences to the series, but my favorite was the Log Bird and the line "Darn fine Cookie."

Mike Sterling
From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Second season on tape?
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 10:10:54 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

tfischer@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Thomas C. Fischer) writes:

> 
> Ok, I'm hooked.  After watching the premiere and all of the first season
> episodes thanks to the local video rental store, I've become a big TP fan.
> 
> I'd be eternally grateful to anyone who could lend or rent or sell or tape
> (within legal limits, of course) the second season episodes to/for me.  Any
> offers?  Reply via email;  I'll make it worth your trouble.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> tom
> 
> tfischer@ncsa.uiuc.edu

I don't have the second season tapes, but I do have what I think to be a 
good suggestion, don't see the movie untill you see the second season.

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From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: More on FWWM
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:00:53 GMT
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In-reply-to: C491153@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU's message of 3 Sep 92 01:30:01 GMT

In article <9209030133.AA04570@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> C491153@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU (John Schultz) writes:

   spoilers ahead...














   Everyone keeps referring to Leland's wound in FWWM, but is this really a
   wound?  I don't recall him being injured at all in the train car.  I thought
   that the blood that BOB removed from Leland (and turned into garmonbozia)
   was Laura's blood.

I may have been the first to call it this.  Frankly, I, too, thought
it was Laura's blood while watching the movie (althought I wondered if
it might be Leland's, since it was all bunched up around his waste, as
if from a wound (Hmm, isn't it around the same place as Cooper's
wound?))  However, the script describes BoB's actions as ``Bob heals
Leland's wound''.  I need to go back and look at the movie, though, to
see if the action there supports Leland taking a wound.

-30-
Bob
From: jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jeremy Matthew Toeman)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: questions...
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:23:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.MecYSGO00iUx83poV=
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Were the Tremonds in any TV episode? Were they mentioned then? Someone
please explain the whole Pierre/Austin/Man behind the mask deal to me...

Could someone remind me as to the final status of Josie?

The angel at the end was DEFINITELY not Annie.

What is the Red Room?

thanks

---

Jeremy Toeman
412-268-4199     (anytime)



                 " Scobell --  We're not 'Schlag!! "

















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From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Fire, walk with me!
Summary: looking for words
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 06:57:57 GMT

 Could someone either post or send me the full verse/saying which ends with
 "Fire, walk with me"?
  
  georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca