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From: tage@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Please: Stop the JESUS Posts!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 10 Jan 93 05:22:24 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada







      Ahh, excuse me is this bible school or soc.culture.lebanon???? Please
spare us the philosophical "God" crap!  

      I really don't care...it seems that some people love their God and 
disregard the rest of humanity!!!!  Maybe that's why holy wars are in the name
of God...Nothing is holy about kiling!!!

      You cannot depend soley on religion to bring people to their wits...
education and tolerance is the only true way!

     And so save all the text readings of the Quran and the Bible for 
alt.sunday-school or alt.bible-studies...

    I just want facts and fiqures!!!!!
                                             tony


Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: wshaib@bnr.ca (Wadih Shaib)
Subject: Re: uniform transliteration standard
Reply-To: wshaib@bnr.ca (Wadih Shaib)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:26:10 GMT

fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M) writes:
 > It is a pity to see that some people still missed the points that were raised
 > when someone came up with the AlphaLeb Idea.  The opposition was not so 
 > much against finding a latin transliteration of the arabic language as much as
 > it was against the context in which it was presented.  First it was presented
 > as a latinization of our mother tongue, which lead some of the authors to 
 > define the dialect that is used in Lebanon as a language by itself. That by 
 > itself implied that it is seperate from Arabic (and that's a major point
 > of conflict), and some of the authors of AlphaLeb were so explicit in their
 > motives as to try to distance themselves from their arabic environment/origin. 
 > In other words, at least two of the authors of AlphaLeb have stated political 
 > motives behind that move. Such ventures were always present since the 
 > early days of the creation of Greater Lebanon.

 > Again,  I think very few would oppose establishing a common scheme of 
 > transliterating our arabic writings into latin alphabet. 

Well, like I said in my original post, I am a fairly recent member of
the scl. I completely missed the debates about AlephLeb. The reason I
inquired in the first place, was because I have seen several people
posting transliterated messages. Sometimes it was hard for me to 
'decipher' the meaning. Hence my motive was clearly necessiated by the
need. I have no information, no time, and no inclination to be involved
in any other discussion of a political nature.

Murphy's Lebanon Law (#1842):
--- Whenever 3 Lebanese discuss an issue, they always end up with at
--- least 5 opinions
     
(please send all flames, ideological chastening...etc to /dev/null)


Regards, 

============================================================================
Wadih J. Shaib                     |   "BNR And I Don't Necessarily 
Bell-Northern Research             |    Share The Same Opinions..."
Dept. 7L22, Mail Stop 291          +---------------------------------------- 
PO Box 3511, STN C, Ottawa, ON      ESN 393-3505, Tel. +1 613-763-3505 
Canada K1Y 4H7                      e-mail: wshaib@bnr.ca         
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.lebanon:5556 talk.politics.mideast:25200 soc.culture.arabic:6497 soc.culture.jewish:25039
From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Book Review (Tseil, the English Teacher)
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:54:04 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.lebanon
Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan

In article <1ito5sINNcj8@life.ai.mit.edu> steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (JLE) writes:
In article <251@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP> Tsiel Ohayon writes:

[TO] The corection is correct.
         ^^^^^^^^^

[JLE] So much for Tsiel Ohayon's English lessons.  They preach what they
[JLE] don't practice.  Sounds like Jimmy Swagart.

[JLE] For the past few weeks, Tsiel has been the English teacher for
[JLE] jle, and now he blows it;  especially, when talking about "Book Review".

[JLE] jle

You got me there. I guess reading your mistakes makes me make some too. The
score is now 10,353,243 to 1 in my favor :-)

Tsiel
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: krt@ddxrsg.mlo.dec.com (Khaled Tabbara)
Subject: Re: Book Review
Reply-To: krt@avalon.mlo.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:32:46 GMT


In article <1993Jan11.201327.6427@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, saghir@eecg.toronto.edu (Mazen Saghir) writes:
|>
|>Since we're on the topic of books, has anyone read "Pity the Nation" by 
|>Robert Fisk? I believe that it is probably the best that has ever been 
|>written on the Lebanese civil war. The 2nd edition just came out and it
|>covers the events up till early 1992, especially the Aoun years, the Taif
|>accord, the election and assasination of President Rene Mouawwad, and the
|>release of the Western hostages. Most other books stop aroud 1988. Very well
|>written. Well worth the money.
|>
|>Mazen Saghir

I thought so too eventhough I've only read half of it. The author does go 
into great detail in his descriptions of massacres ..etc. And as far as
I know his description of the other events are accurate. But, I really 
did NOT like reading the book. I had already lived through those years 
(1975-1984) and did not care to be reminded in detail about every bomb that
exploded ! Just my opinion...


Khaled Tabbara
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: uniform transliteration standard
Date: 8 Jan 1993 00:21 CST
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
Distribution: usa
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   

In article <1993Jan7.200018.17685@bnr.ca>, wshaib@bnr.ca (Wadih Shaib) writes...
>hello everyone,

  Hi Wadih

>I've been a 'passive' member of this newsgroup for sometime
>now. This is my first post. I would like to get the different
>views that you may have with regards to defining a uniform
>arabic-to-english transliteration standard.
[...]

>Any ideas?
[...]

  Yes, one.

  Follows a statement by Bassem Medawar on the subject.  You might want to give 
it a shot.

BM>There are quite a few for Arabic.  A recent attempt to propose a unified code
BM>AlephLeb on scl almost lead to a civil war.  AlephLeb proposal is available 
BM>on SoL (borg.poly.edu, 128.238.10.106) at 
BM>/pub/reader/text/misc/translit/alephleb.v1.

  The quip about the civil war is hardly an exaggeration 1/2 :) .  Maybe you 
haven't been a 'passive' member long enough to have witnessed it and I envy 
you for that: it degenerated in all directions...well.. actually only the 
wrong ones.  

***

  We all value the peace of this newsgroup: 

  Could we, please, continue this discussion on e-mail or on the Arabic/.. 
software mailing list ?

***

>Regards,
>============================================================================
>Wadih J. Shaib                     |   "BNR And I Don't Necessarily 
>Bell-Northern Research             |    Share The Same Opinions..."
>Dept. 7L22, Mail Stop 291          +---------------------------------------- 
>PO Box 3511, STN C, Ottawa, ON      ESN 393-3505, Tel. +1 613-763-3505 
>Canada K1Y 4H7                      e-mail: wshaib@bnr.ca         
>============================================================================


alex khalil
alex@dt.uh.edu  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ayed@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Ayeda Ayed)
Subject: Re: Book Review
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:25:27 GMT


>Wouldn't surprise me at all. Did you ever read "By Way of Deceit" by
>Victor Orlofsky? He's a former Mossad agent who got so disgusted with
>his agency's tricks that he resigned, and exposed all the dirty doings
>of Mossad in his book (1991).


Just a correction.  The book's title is By Way of Deception by Victor
Ostrovsky.                              -------------------


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Ayeda Ayed                  O J_) LC    0 J_) LC
                               ..          ..

The University of Manitoba
Chemistry Department
ayed@ccu.umanitoba.ca

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From: steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (JLE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Book Review (Tseil, the English Teacher)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 06:23:56 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <251@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP> ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) writes:
>
>The corection is correct.
     ^^^^^^^^^

So much for Tsiel Ohayon's English lessons.  They preach what they
don't practice.  Sounds like Jimmy Swagart.

For the past few weeks, Tsiel has been the English teacher for
jle, and now he blows it;  especially, when talking
about "Book Review".

jle
From: 00r0zoorob@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: greetings
Date: 4 Jan 93 06:53:37 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's



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                              Riad Zoorob
                              Ball State University
From: bibr0027@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: test
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:22:47 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

sorry test
From: zzaaskk@v2.cgu.mcc.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Portemilio vs Rimal - Beach Resorts
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:18:44 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre CGU

In article <1993Jan11.111939.10073@ac.dal.ca>, bibr0027@ac.dal.ca writes:
> Life in Lebanon is just great when you have water, electricity,
> cable, etc...I would advise anyone to give Portemilio or Rimal
.
> brother Fouie could give you the tour.  I think most Americans that
> have never gone down to Lebanon would be amazed.  Just don't
> forget to bring the $$$$$$.  It can be expensive.
> Any thoughts?

I wonder if we can have any kind of tourism industry in Lebanon. It is one of
the most expensive destinations for tourism. Beaches are a Private monopoly
very few public access to beaches? It is disgusting whn 95% of the inhabitants
of Lebanon cannot have access to swin in the sea. I guess the this is all
conected to the prevailing attitude in Lebanon 'Ya Rabi Nafsi' or 
'Baad Hashishi Ma Yinbat Hasihish'. This materialistic attitude the goes to 
such extreem that does not even want the infamous Regan/Thatcher Trickle down
effect to happen in Lebanon explains the unforgiving and uncharitable position
of some Lebanese of the Palestinians.(RE: Are the Lebanese ARAB.) ) Greetintg
to jle and all fellow Tripolese (Sandra included).

> John

Kamie


KmaKamie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Date: 03 Jan 93 23:07 PST
Subject: MUSLIM CONFERENCES ON APC
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From: <pnmideast>
Subject: MUSLIM CONFERENCES ON APC

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From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Book Review
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:17:00 GMT
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From:	IN%"Egypt-net@das.harvard.edu" 10-JAN-1993 03:36:23.48
Subj:	Egypt-net digest for Sun Jan 10, 1993
[....]

From: fassaf <FASSAF@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Egypt-net digest for Sat Jan 09, 1993

Alaa Ashmawy:

Re Mossad:

Wouldn't surprise me at all. Did you ever read "By Way of Deceit" by
Victor Orlofsky? He's a former Mossad agent who got so disgusted with
his agency's tricks that he resigned, and exposed all the dirty doings
of Mossad in his book (1991).

Israel was so p***ed off it tried to have the book banned in the US and
 nearly succeeded, until a federal judge threw the lawsuit out of court
 on 1st Amendme
nt grounds. Israel then conducted a "disinformation" campaign through
its embassy and consulates in the US, claiming that Orlofsky was never
more than a minor trainee who never graduated (first version), or who
(second version) graduated but was thrown out six months later for
incompetence, or whatever...

Orlofsky provides a wealth of details that can be checked out against
contemporary news stories, primarily revolving around the assassinations
of Iraqi nuclear scientists prior to the bombing of Osirak (1981), the
preparation for the assassination of Abu Iyad (?) in Tunis, and other
nefarious doings, some quite gratuitous and unnecessary, which was the
last straw.

There are quite a few books about the dirty side of Israel, the one you
never get to read about in newspapers and magazines, much less see on
TV. I recommend also "Taking Sides" by Stephen Green (1984), a thorough
historical analysis of the relationship between America and Israel, and
how the "tail" has been wagging the "dog" since 1948. Some of the
stories in the book are real eye-openers.

[....]

Best regards from
Francis Assaf
Department of Romance Languages
University of Georgia
Athens, GA 30602 -- USA
(706) 542-3164 -- FAX:  (706) 542-3287
From: rsinno@sedona.intel.com (Rami Sinno~)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: THE NEW l
Date: 9 Jan 1993 01:03:42 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation
Reply-To: rsinno@sedona.intel.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: launchpad.intel.com
Originator: rsinno@sedona



Welcome JOHN LAWEN, I am too a "passive viewer", but I had to
welcome you and congratulate you on your posting. You are a
true case study and I will be looking forward to reading your
future postings.

Regards,
Rami.
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| Chandler, AZ 85226			       rsinno@sedona.intel.com |
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From: jhchan@west.sun.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Passport renewal
Date: 10 Jan 1993 21:16:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: jhchan@west.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: iowa.west.sun.com
Keywords: Passport renewal

Helleo HKers,

I am hold a U.K passport which is expiring soon, where can I get
a renewal ?   Last year, I heard all the renewal are done at
the East coast ?  

Would someone send one more info  ?

john Chan



Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: poon@turtle.cis.ohio-state.edu (shiu f poon)
Subject: help -- need information
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:23:42 GMT



I am thinking of going back to Hong Kong to work...  Where should I go about in
finding a full-time position in Hong Kong as programmer/analyst??.. I am
currently a programmer/analyst-lead with close to 2+ years full-time experience
and 2 years part-time working experience...  

Any help is greatly appreciated !!!!

Thanks........
From: yyy@engr.LaTech.edu (Yan Y. Yu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Airfare
Summary: I plan to go back to Hong Kong this Summer, can anyone tell me where I  can get cheap plane ticket. Thanks.
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:06:42 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


				Yee Yu
				Louisiana, U.S.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: jjan@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (jing.jan)
Subject: UNIX Market in Hong Kong
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:55:20 GMT

Does anyone out there have any idea about how the UNIX market in Hong Kong
is like these days? For instance, are the major financial institutions in
Hong Kong using UNIX workstations like they are in Wall Street? I am just
trying to find out the prospects of finding a UNIX development position over
there. Any information will be appreciated.
From: Anthony.Kwan@f487.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Anthony Kwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: latest info on GVD
Date: 5 Jan 1993 01:20:00 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


On <Dec 22 02:51>, Kelvin Leung of 6:700/1.300 wrote to All:

 KL>       Just out of curiosity, is there anyone in HK who has a 
 KL> spare computer and a modem (as well as a phone-line) which is 
 KL> rarely used?  Samson has volunteered to get the system going 
 KL> as soon as someone "donate" such a system.  This system (an 
 KL> e-mail gateway) not only service e-mail pertaining to GVD, 
 KL> but also any e-mail going in and out of HK (via Samson's 
 KL> BBS).  So, if anyone has such a system and don't mind using 
 KL> it for this purpose, please contact Samson Luk.

Did we meet each other at the GoDown at Admiralty the other night
(21.12.92)?  Bruce, Samson and Arron were there then.  I joined the meeting late and u
left when I just came.

BR, Anthony Kwan - Environment + IT Net

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From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HKPA.SCENIC - New picture posting....
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:59:16 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.civil.ubc.ca

Hello all. I got the following email from Alvin. Since I haven't been
back to HK for a long time, I don't really know. So I was wondering if
anyone can confirm this, and/or give a more detail description so that I
can update the index file. Or even change the name if we can settle on a
proper approximate year. Thanks!
_____________________________________________________________________

>From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong)
>
>Hello everyone. Here is a new Hong Kong picture from the year just past...
>
>File:        hk1992b.gif
>Description: View of Victoria Harbour from Victoria Peak
>Resolution:  967 x 527 x 256 colors
>Contributor: Fran(Wa Shing Kan) wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu

Thomas,

I maybe picky here, but with the absence of such landmark buildings
like the Central Square and the Convention and Exhibition Centre, I
think this picture comes from a pre-1990 view of Victoria Harbour.

Also, I'm pretty certain that the picture is taken from the "viewing
station" above Wan Chai instead of from Victoria Peak because of the
clear view of Happy Valley race course.

BTW, thanks for keeping the picture archive rolling; I wish I had a
scanner at our site so I can contribute to the archive...

And have a Happy New Year...

--
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 Senior Applications Engineer ............... 300 Oracle Parkway, Box 659306
 Manufacturing Applications ....................... Redwood Shores, CA 94065
 Email: alaw@oracle.com ....... Voice: 415.506.3390 ...... Fax: 415.506.7299
From: Raju.Daryanani@p309.f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Raju Daryanani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Question: Any Commercial Systems in HK?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 20:06:30 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


In a msg on <Jan 07 03:58>, Iu King Fung of iu051@cs.cuhk.hk  writes:

 IKF> Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong

 IKF> Yes, I know one at least.  It is called compuserve and is a 
 IKF> service provided by Huchison Information.  The subscribers 
 IKF> to the service can access to the network that we are using.  
 IKF> However, the fees for subscription is not known.

The link between Compuserve and the Internet is mail only.  Nothing else! 
CI$ is also very expensive.  I believe Hutchison charges over HK$5 per minute
of connect time for a 2400bps link, plus a monthly membership fee.

Raju 
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