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From: geoff@tyger.Eng.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Date: 24 Dec 1992 00:36:38 GMT
Organization: SunSelect
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Sorry, I missed one item from my last post.

Quoth rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner) (in <1992Dec23.161548.19905@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu>):
#process of shutting down.  USL supplies the source code base for
#most current versions of *IX.  Those that were based on the Berkeley
#code (which included a lot of USL code, BTW) are converting over to
#the USL code, for the most part.  Most obvious in that category is
#Sun. 

If you have access to SVR4 sources from USL, check out the number of modules
with Sun copyrights. And BSD for that matter. In many cases, the USL code
*is* the Sun or BSD code, almost unmodified. 

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From: pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:40:56 GMT

rjsmith@iron.hq.aflc.af.mil (Randy Smith) writes:

> 
> >Does this mean that Novell is stacking up Unix against Windows NT?
> 
> >  It may not be such a bad move to get Unix more into the mainstream.  Novel
> >has more experience and greater success in moving application and os softwar
> >than AT&T / USL.
> 
> Let's look at Windows NT.  Microsoft has said that NT is for high-end PCs and
> RISC-based machines, it has integrated networking support, *real* multitaskin
> and [my opinion] will be too expensive for the "common" end-user PC.  So NT i
> clearly going after the PC server market where Novell has something like
> 70-80% of the market.  Getting the rights to the best multitasking OS around
> that has had something like 20 years of development and who knows how many
> actual manyears of development sounds like a pretty good idea to me.  Also
> NetWare 4.0 has been written in C so it's fairly portable.  UNIX systems have
> been kinda shunned by the whole PC LAN office environment and this may be
> the way to bring it all together.
> 
> Good luck to Novell and death to Windows NT!

While I agree with much of what you have said here, it reminds me 
of what seems to a problem unique to the Internet. I suppose I
shouldn't be surprised given that the place is still largely populated
with technical types but the "Micro$oft bad, Bill Gates evil, Bill Gates
badbadbad, NT sucks" stuff amazes me. 

As an investor I couldn't give a flying fuck what
problems people have with a company on a product/emotional level -- I
just want to make money on smart investments and the source is
irrelevant. It is baffling that there are people up here who
simply refuse to invest in/give credit to Microsoft and make any
money on a stock that has proven to one of the greatest boons to
investors this century.

Oh well, I suppose I shouldn't quibble. If more people had bought it
sooner it would have become overpriced even faster than it was.

Paul
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From: dvc@eagle.hr.att.com (David Van Cleef)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:29:46 GMT
	<1992Dec23.170951.28195@xenitec.on.ca>
	<1992Dec23.181156.16486@netcom.com>
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Originator: news@cbnewsb.cb.att.com

>>>>> On Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:11:56 GMT, messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) said:

TP> Just to interject some sanity here - when was the last time you checked
TP> prices for UNIX software?  Why don't you do that before talking about
TP> making huge amounts of money.  This is the problem - UNIX will never
TP> make it to Joe Blow's desktop as long as the prices are that obscene.

And the prices will not come down until UNIX makes it to Jow Blow's
desktop.  Catch-22.

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From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:11:56 GMT
Organization: Messina Software

merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer) writes:

>In article <X3R9VB1w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky) writes:
>>While I agree with much of what you have said here, it reminds me 
>>of what seems to a problem unique to the Internet. I suppose I
>>shouldn't be surprised given that the place is still largely populated
>>with technical types but the "Micro$oft bad, Bill Gates evil, Bill Gates
>>badbadbad, NT sucks" stuff amazes me. 
>
>geez, people who care about the quality and ethics of those in their industry.
>[...]
>maybe if we all acted irresponsibly, and basically screwed whoever we need
>to to make huge amounts of money, this industry would be a better place.

Just to interject some sanity here - when was the last time you checked
prices for UNIX software?  Why don't you do that before talking about
making huge amounts of money.  This is the problem - UNIX will never
make it to Joe Blow's desktop as long as the prices are that obscene.

t.
From: avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: ** 3b2 parts parts, under $50 **
Date: 31 Dec 1992 21:36:51 GMT
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.icase.edu

Thanks for the responses to the previous posts.  I have been steadily
stripping and testing equipment. Rather than respond to your inquiries 
individually, here is a list of the parts and prices.  For all of you
that have responded already, I still have your email addresses
and will contact you shortly.  I have a number of items as follows:

				Tested		Not Tested

Power Supply			$45		n/a
Motherboards (includes MAU)	$45obo		$40obo
Ports Cards (some HPP)		$30obo		$25obo
CTC Boards			$40obo		$35obo
1 MB Ram Cards			$25obo		$20obo
Disk Drives (720k)		$30obo		$25obo

Miscellaneous Cables:
MFM Internal Cable Assembly	$5
External Tape/XM		$3

Cases (Includes Power Supply) ** limited number **
XM				$35
3b2/310				$80 (Case, Pwr Supply, Mbd, Cables)

There are limited quantities of untested equipment. 10 day refund or
replacement (at our discretion) on _tested_ equipment.  Untested equipment
sold as-is.  Prices do _not_ include shipping.

email to:
avik@icase.icase.edu
sherman@unixvax.hamptonu.edu	(voice) (804)728-2688
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From: kstox@admips2.Berkeley.EDU (Ken Stox)
Subject: Re: Adding 2nd 360K floppy to an AT&T 6300
Reply-To: kstox@admips2.Berkeley.EDU (Ken Stox)
Organization: AC Nielsen Co.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 20:39:32 GMT

In article <1hnh3jINNbm4@shelley.u.washington.edu>, pollock@milton.u.washington.edu (Joe Pollock) writes:
|> I haven't seen anyone mention the dip switches that need to be changed when
|> a second floppy is added.
|> 
|> Dip Switch 1, located on the mother board:
|> 
|> SW7 on, SW8 on - one floppy drive
|> SW7 off, SW8 on - two floppy drives
|> 
|> In addition, SW1 selects the floppy drive type
|>             on = 48tpi (360K)
|>             off = 96tpi (720K)
|> \
|> SW2 selects start-up speed for the drive.  on = slow, off = fast
|>      start-up.
|> 
|> According to the service manual, floppy drives should be configured
|> as drive 2 (assuming 1-4, not 0-3, select jumpers).  In addition,
|> the drive should be configured for head loading controlled by the 
|> "motor on" signal.  The LED should come on with "drive select."
|> 
|> hope this helps.
|> 
|> joe

If memory serves correct, This was documented, but was not correct. Later
versions of the firmware used the switches differently. Sorry that I can't
rememeber the details, but it has been 6 years since I owned one of these 
babies.

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From: greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik)
Subject: Re: GCC 2.3.2 compile problem on 3B2/400
Organization: Gagme Public Access Unix, Chicago, Illinois
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:06:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.041024.299@robohack.UUCP> woods@robohack.UUCP (Greg A. Woods) writes:
>
>Geez guy's -- what a waste of time, energy, etc.; as well as being a
>potential source of ugly errors....
>
>Haven't you ever heard of "#define"??????

Sure, but when it's 3:00am and there are only 3 places that needed
the change, it's no big deal.

-greg

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From: pjr@emo.com (pjr)
Subject: Re: need help with 3B2/1000 M80 PEs
Followup-To: comp.sys.att 
Summary: 3B2 PE
Organization: EMO Computer Products, Inc., Naperville, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 02:03:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.230952.8790@alf.cooper.edu> hak@alf.cooper.edu (Jeff Hakner) writes:
>in article <727@mtndew.Tustin.CA.US>, friedl@mtndew.Tustin.CA.US (Stephen Friedl) says:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>>      Two customers have just upgraded their machines to 3B2/1000
>> model 80s, each with an extra Processing Element (PE).  We are
>> at a loss, however, as how to know anything about whether these
>> things are helping or how we can administer them.  Where can I
>> find some documentation on this?
>
>You'll need the Multiprocessor Utilities software.  Which OS do you
>have?  Assuming it's 3.2.3, you'll need rel 3.1.  Chances are,
>it was shipped with the system, and maybe even installed.
>
>THe PE boards don't really do much.  They're asymmetrical
>processor elements which can run some of the jobs.  To see if
>the PEs are being used, use the command sar -q and look for
>activity in the coprocessor run queue.
Also remember that the MPB or PE boards aren't even used until the
main board gets saturated; then it tries to throw some work at the
aux.  processing boards.  As it was explained to me (or, as I
recall...) when the 3B2/1000 was intro'd, the scheduler tries to
figure out if processes are good candidates to run until completion
on the aux. board.  There's a list of system calls that it is able
to run without dependence upon the main processor, with the caveat
that any true physical I/O must still go through the main processor.
Note the my experience is mostly with MPB's (mainly consists of making
sure it doesn't smoke, and checking sar(1) every so often), whereas
the docs I have laying around mostly talk about the PE, so if I really
hosed up, I'm sure I'll hear about it...

>Again, you can't really do any neat things with these cards,
>they just give you a performance boost.
Well, you might be able to do neat stuff (Christmas decorations?) with
'em, but it might be hard to make 'em work as PE's again :)

>--Jeff Hakner
>"Also a 3B2-kind-of-guy!"
Me too!! Er, three!

p.s. I'm (personally) interested in purchasing various 3B2 hardware.
     My network at home is beginning to take shape, but it only has
     Intel-based systems.  I've got access to a /400 and /600 in
     various stages of disassembly, but need a variety of parts to
     actually finish.  If interested, please email me at pjr@emo.com
     (work) or to pjr@squidnix.emo.com (home).  Thanx.

pjr
From: Bruce.Weinel@p1.f456.n632.z3.fidonet.org (Bruce Weinel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Novell to buy USL
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 07:51:41

Larry Watanabe was heard in "The Pit" saying to All

  LW> From: Larry Watanabe
  LW> Organization: University of Illinois,
  LW>               Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
  LW> 
  LW> jmatrow@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (John Matrow) writes:
  LW> 
  LW> JM> I'm wondering if other people could tell me what the
  LW> JM> implications of this [Novell buyong USL] are.
  LW> JM> 
  LW> JM> Does this mean that Novell is stacking up Unix against
  LW> JM> Windows NT? ...
  // 
  LW> A bigger question than these anomalies though is what are
  LW> the implications for Unix? How important is USL?

Keep in mind that Novell have a large investment in 'Univel' (merger of
NetWare
and Unix SVR4) and are somewhat annoyed with Microsoft (re: Windows for
Workgroups
and NT). Univel should have major advantages over the LAN Manager for Unix
product
that NetWare/X couldn't achieve because of the limitations of Unix. In the
final
analysis Unix _isn't_ a realtime OS, it's a time sharing system, and
applications
like a file server (that want absolute priority for machine resources) are
less
than optimal when ported to standard Unix. Univel should be able to address
this problem by changing Unix to meet NetWare's requirements.

When combined with the imminent NetWare release 4 (competing with LAN Manager
for OS/2), NetWare Lite (competing with W4W peer networking) and the rumored
Windows-clone coming from Novell/DR (competing with Windows products) this
would
put Novell in the position of being able to fight for market share with
Microsoft
acroos the board. It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it.

In addition, AT&T's disvestiture of USL is inline with their recent withdrawl
from direct control of Unix. This began with the spinoff of USL as a separate
company and the history of Unix International and the evolution of SVR4 as a
non-proprietary ("open") OS.

Does Unix need USL? The answer depends on your definition of Unix. If you mean
the product trademarked by UI then the answer might be yes, but if you mean
the family of systems ranging from minix and linux through BSD, SCO, SVRn and
OSF then the answer is obviously no. Generic unix passed the point of critical
mass long ago and will continue to stumble along regardless of the fate of any
single organization or corporation.

Opinions expressed by this point are not necessarily those of NCR Australia
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From: skilby@ucqais.cba.uc.edu (Steven M. Kilby)
Subject: Yes, yes, yes 14 Mhz is possible
Originator: skilby@ucqais.cba.uc.edu
Organization: University of Cincinnati, College of Business
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:34:06 GMT

Hey all,
    Just a note to add to Greg's.  About 6 years ago it became known that one
could take a crystal that was supposed to go in a 500 and place it in a 400.
This crystal, of course, ran at 14 Mhz and was a significant boost to the 400.
Now, sometimes this did not work.  There would be problems with the memory, the
clock, etc....  In these cases the 400 required a new chip set also.

    In my case, my 3B2/400 ran fine with just the crystal.  Wether or not a
400 needs just the crystal or both the crystal and the chip set is fairly
arbitrary.  We were told to use trial and error.  IE.  Buy the crystal first
and then if necessary, get the chip set.  The crystal was purchased from a
reseller who purchased it from AT&T themselves.  It was not a "kit", it was
just a crystal.


Hope this helps,
    Steve.....
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From: pete@othello.dartmouth.edu (Pete Schmitt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: GCC 2.3.2 compile problem on 3B2/400
Date: 28 Dec 92 04:02:06 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

After making the target as stated in the FAQ, I get the following error:

       cc  -DIN_GCC   -g   -o cccp cccp.o cexp.o version.o obstack.o ` case "cc
" in "cc") echo alloca.o ;; esac `
undefined                       first referenced
 symbol                             in file
index                               cccp.o
rindex                              cccp.o

How can I fix this?

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From: gulik@rtsg.mot.com (Gregory Gulik)
Subject: Re: Adding memory to a 3B2/310
Organization: Motorola, Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:31:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.100141.20882@ms.uky.edu> morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) writes:
>What's involved in upgrading a 310 from 3Mb to 4Mb RAM?  I thought
>that it was just "plug in the board and boot /etc/system to rebuild
>Unix", but I'm getting SYSTEM PARITY ERROR INTERRUPT after Unix starts
>to come up.
>
>Am I missing something, or is the added 2Mb board shot?  I think that
>the board is shot, but I want to make sure that I'm not forgetting
>anything.......

Sounds like the 2MB board you added is shot.

-greg

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From: mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Mark Griffin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Can you do uucp over tcp/ip on 3b2/1000
Date: 23 Dec 1992 14:24:35 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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We previously had uucp working between two 3b2's over starlan, now uucp works
via ordinary asynchronous connection, but can you make uucp work over tcp/ip.
If so, what do the Devices and Systems entries look like.  Thanks for the help.
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From: geoff@tyger.Eng.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL
Date: 24 Dec 1992 00:28:38 GMT
Organization: SunSelect
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Quoth rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner) (in <1992Dec23.161548.19905@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu>):
#
#USL is EXTREMELY important in the UNIX world as it is the only
#active major development center for UNIX source code.

I suspect that hundreds of software engineers from SunSoft would
disagree rather, um, "energetically" with your use of the word "only".
And folks at HP, DEC, IBM, Amdahl, etc. would probably concur.

Geoff

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From: tpradeep@cs.tamu.edu (Pradeep K Tapadiya)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
Subject: What good is a non-deductible IRA?
Date: 24 Dec 1992 22:35:43 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuron.tamu.edu

Howdy netters,

To my understanding, if one cannot deduct an IRA, the only tax advantage
of having an IRA is that the gains could be tax-deferred.

But many growth funds offer a plan to automatically reinvest the capital
gains. As long as I don't receive any cash in hand, I don't pay any taxes.
Thus my earnings are tax-deferred without even having an IRA.

So what really is the advantage of a non-deductible IRA? Am I missing
something?

Thank you for your help.

Pradeep
tpradeep@cs.tamu.edu
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From: schindler@csa1.lbl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.novell,misc.invest
Subject: Re: What good is a non-deductible IRA?
Date: 24 Dec 1992 15:51 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1hddvvINNa87@tamsun.tamu.edu>, tpradeep@cs.tamu.edu (Pradeep K Tapadiya) writes...
> 
>But many growth funds offer a plan to automatically reinvest the capital
>gains. As long as I don't receive any cash in hand, I don't pay any taxes.
>Thus my earnings are tax-deferred without even having an IRA.
> 
>Pradeep

Yikes!  Stop the presses, Pradeep.  Capital gains distributions are taxable.
I'd advise filing amended returns if you have neglected to declare this income
in the past.  

Aaron 
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From: davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown)
Subject: Re: Sidebar re BSD (in ``Novell to buy USL'')
Organization: York University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:25:05 GMT

guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:
|IBM doesn't seem to be committed to the OSF/1 kernel on the
|POWER architecture, although their latest AIX for the PeeCee and 390
|architectures are, I think, OSF/1-based.
[...]

|Err, to which "camps" are you referring?  OSF/1 vs. SVR4?  "BSD"
|(whatever *that* means) vs. SVR4?

Darned if I know: my camp seems to be full of Huns, the occasional
Roman legionaire, lots of passing Franks and I've seen at least one
chap painted blue all over (must be british).

Seriously, though, the complexity of corporate maneovering is such
that defining clear and obvious camps is a losing effort.  They really
only mean anything when you make them inclusive.
If I had to do definitions, I'd specify corporate names at perticular
dates.  Eg, ``DEC-IBM-HP as of XXX 1992''.  Camps are intended to be
more an ``emotional stance'' term

--dave
ps: thanks for the update on IBM: I'd seen the pc OSF announcements
    and assumed the RS would be along when they could afford to do
    the work.

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From: pollock@milton.u.washington.edu (Joe Pollock)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: Adding 2nd 360K floppy to an AT&T 6300
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:30:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Evergreen State College
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

I haven't seen anyone mention the dip switches that need to be changed when
a second floppy is added.

Dip Switch 1, located on the mother board:

SW7 on, SW8 on - one floppy drive
SW7 off, SW8 on - two floppy drives

In addition, SW1 selects the floppy drive type
            on = 48tpi (360K)
            off = 96tpi (720K)
\
SW2 selects start-up speed for the drive.  on = slow, off = fast
     start-up.

According to the service manual, floppy drives should be configured
as drive 2 (assuming 1-4, not 0-3, select jumpers).  In addition,
the drive should be configured for head loading controlled by the 
"motor on" signal.  The LED should come on with "drive select."

hope this helps.

joe
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