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From: daugherb@b8.b8.ingr.com (Bruce Daugherty)
Subject: Re: Firstpost Challenge
Summary: to; Tony Ardelean
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:36:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.180311.1@csusb>, jimbo@csusb writes:
> Just discovered this new group and I must say I'm glad
> that its here!  Anaway, I have a little difficulty
> selecting just 1 group as the all time best.  My 3
> personnal faves are Cream, Zep and the Band.  If I had
> to choose just one I would barely give the edge to Zep,
> mainly because they grew with each album.  The band
> improved its artistry and range without losing their
> drive which makes them the best.
> 
> Other candidates I may nominate would be Steppenwolf,
> Beatles and Traffic.
> 
> Just my two cents worth.  
> 
> Tony Ardelean
> CalState University, San Bernardino
> 
> My opinions are my own and have no basis in reality.


**  Tony,

       It sure is great to hear from someone in the San Bernardino area.
    Are you from this area? I grew up there,near the foothills, 53rd St.
    Graduated from Cajon High 1972, SB Valley '75-'76. It was quite a 
    blast being out there in the 60's & 70's, lots of great music and many
    good places to see great concerts.
       Have you heard of Swing Auditorium? Man I've seen legends at that
    place! Let me give you a quick run down;

       Eric Burdon & The Animals  --  1968
       Jimi Hendrix w/ Vanilla Fudge  -- 1969
       Led Zep w/ Jethro Tull    -- 1970
       Jefferson Airplane       -- 1970
       Cream                    -- 1970
       Jethro Tull w/ It's A Beautiful Day  --1971
       Jimi Hendrix              -- 1971
       Ten Years After           -- 1971
       Rod Stewart & Faces       -- 1972
       Greatful Dead             -- 1975
       Johnny & Edgar Winter     -- 1976

    Just to name a few, so where are the hot spots these days? I have been 
    away since '78, also spent some time in San Diego. i've been out here
    in the Atlanta area since '80, also a great place for music!
       I'm into the blues quite a bit these days, would really like to hear
    back from you. I'm new on the net here so you'll just have to post me.
    Please let me know what's goin' down in the homeland.

                                      "Loose Bruce"
From: amathur@thunder.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Alok Mathur)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
Subject: How about Def Leppard !!
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:33:14
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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Hi all !

This is really a great newsgroup. I have heard all my favorites mentioned as
well as LOTS of groups I hadn't even heard (of) !!

I don't think I've noticed mention of Def Leppard yet. They do classify as
classic rock, don't they ? 

Hysteria........



Alok.
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From: chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey)
Subject: Re: the Offten over looked BOC
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:46:21 CST

Led Zeppelin was indeed great, there's no denying that.  However some of their
stuff gets a bit repetitive(I can hear the cries of outrage already).  Moreover
a lot of their first two albums was just re-doing old blues songs in a more
rock style.  The Doors, I feel, were more original, and more interesting.
Morrison was definately a poet, his lyrics made the group special.  (As for the
accusation that The Doors lyrics are repetitive.  First, ever hear of a
chorus?.  Second, as to the insinuation that this is evidence that Morrison was
not a poet.  Morrison has two poetry books published.  Furthermore, "Touch Me",
wasn't even written by Morrison, Robby Krieger wrote it.)  The second big
reason The Doors are the best:  Ray Manzarek, definately a genius, not to
mention extremely talented.  The third big reason The Doors are the best:
Robby Krieger, very original guitar work, just listen to the guitar in "The
End".  The only weakness The Doors might have had was Densmore, I have to admit
he could only be described as adequete.


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Before I sink, into the big sleep
I want to hear...
I want to hear...
The scream, of the butterfly

-When the Musics Over
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Ps. How about Jethro Tull as a close second?  Once again VERY original music.
From: curtiws@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
Subject: Re: Firstpost Challenge
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:36:01 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <4396@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>, aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
> What is considered a classic?
> 
> The posts so far are basically about Led Zepplin and Jimi Hendrix.
> Does that mean that this type of hard rock is considered a classic?
> 
> What about the rock & roll from the mid 50's to the early 60's -
> is that going to be discussed or considered to be classic?
> 
> Thanks -
> 


Hi,
   Im not sure what the policy on types of music is yet but when most
people say "classic rock" they mean anything you CANT dance to after
you love me by the beatles(hah), but i guess it is kindof subjective!
id just assume it meant anything from about 67-68 on or something like
that but as far as types of music that can be pretty broad,i think it
should be limited to significant music,not some of this 'i wrote this
song in 6 minutes while the band was warming up' shit (ex.warrant...)
ive been thinking, one great band that no one has mentioned is steely
dan!  any other steely dan fans out there? ive only recently started
listening to them but their GREAT! can anyone reccomend some good 
albums by them?!

Scott.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
From: fineston@pop.cis.yale.edu (Jason Finestone)
Subject: Floyd Box
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:37:12 GMT

  Hey, all.  Sorry to disrupt the arguments about best bands, etc., but I
was wondering if anybody knew what the track listing on the upcoming(?)
Pink Floyd box set was.  
  Someone told me that it was eight discs of previously released albums,
and only one of rare stuff.  I refuse to believe this, however, because I
don't think that anyone could be so stupid to charge someone $100+ for
stuff that is so readily available.  The only people who would buy it would
be Floyd fans, who already have the other stuff anyway.  
  I hope that someone can tell me that this is a vicious rumor, and that
the box set consists of live concerts, more pre-Gilmour singles/flipsides,
and maybe the stuff off of that [recently] new Gilmour/Mason video.

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From: andy@b30.ingr.com (Andrew Brezinski)
Subject: Re: Steely Dan
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:55:23 GMT

In article <BxvxDI.Mv4@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> csa09@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Paul Singleton) writes:
>HiFi News did a discography a year or two ago: maybe I'll look it up
>and post it.  The six main albums are, as I recall,
>
>	Can't buy a thrill
>	Countdown to ecstasy
>	Pretzel Logic
>	Katy Lied

I can't believe you left out perhaps their best album, Royal Scam, which
goes right here in this otherwise correct chronological listing.

>	Aja
>	Gaucho
>
>but there's also two albums of early stuff, a film soundtrack, "FM",
>an otherwise unreleased track on the compilation "Gold", and "Dallas".

The song "FM" is available on "A Decade of Steely Dan," their penultimate
greatest hits collection.

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Andy Brezinski
Intergraph Corporation
Huntsville, AL 35894-0001

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From: stevan@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Stevan Vidic)
Subject: Re: Unmentioned so far
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:14:57 GMT

I can't believe this!  Hello, anybody there?  Come on guys, how could you not
mention David Bowie so far.  Not a *single* reference and over a hundred
postings.  You know him: Alladin Sane, Ziggy, Thin White Duke.  He's been
around, eh?

Hi Alan (Morrison-fan-to-be)!  So you've heard the Brown-eyed girl, eh? 
Bubble gum rock (hmmmm...).  Can't stand the voice, right?  Then, I had my
prejudices as well until I listened to Van, I mean listened.  Guess what?  I
am a different person now, enlightened by his truly awesome music, by his
beautiful vision.  I ended up buying 16 of his albums and still can't
understand how I overlooked Van-the-man, one of the most important rock
musicians of our time (IMHO).  Perhaps not classic rock n roll, but
nevertheless absolutely essential.

There is so much outstanding classic rock n roll that it's almost impossible
to mention all those that deserve credit.  To name but few: Animals, Beatles,
Bowie, CSNY, CCR, Purple, Zeppelin, Hendrix, Stones, Tull, U2 (aha!), Clapton,
Traffic, Janis, Doors, Allmans, Floyd, Van, Who, Crimson, Zappa, and probably
50 more that escape me at the moment.

Wonderful thing about musical preferences is that regardless how wrong you
are, you are still entitled to your opinion.

Regards and happy listening,
Stevan

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From: daugherb@b8.b8.ingr.com (Bruce Daugherty)
Subject: HELLO???
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:00:56 GMT

                 HELLO??????????

      Is there anybody out there over the age of eighteen that would
 like to have some intellectual conversations about classic rock?
From: corcoran@sage.cc.purdue.edu (*THE AVATAR*)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
Subject: Neil Young
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:18:28 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

I like CSN/CSN&Y also, and I've heard plenty of Neil Young's newer stuff
(past 5 years) but I was referring to his early stuff.  Can't get much
better than that - except Zep maybe...

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Tim Corcoran                    "I want to live with my cinnamon girl, 
Computer Science                 I can be happy the rest of my life 
Purdue University                with my cinnamon girl"
corcoran@sage.cc.purdue.edu                          -Neil Young
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Subject: RE:jethro tull(I have pubic hair)
From: klacher@puya.gac.edu (Kimberly A Lacher)
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:06:57 -0600

You know, I do have pubic hair and I love Zep.
I also am not from hell, but from my mother's womb.

-kim-
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From: rhumphre@willamette.edu (Rachel Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Firstpost Challenge
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:19:09 GMT

Unfortunately, when it comes to this thread I can't be very original; I,
too, believe that Led Zeppelin is the greatest rock'n'roll band of all
time.  (In fact, I'm listening to my boxed set right now.)  They've really
combined many different types of music to create their own style-- jazz,
guitar rock, rhythm and blues, pop, and, possibly, 
even a little bit of country.  Then, in addition, there's that little
indescribable something that makes it Zeppelin.  The best songs, IMHO--
Traveling Riverside Blues, Bron-y-aur, The Lemon Song, D'yer Mak'er,
Tangerine, Kashmir, Stairway to Heaven, and What Is and What Never Should
Be.  Of course, I could really add about ten more songs to that, but...  

Also great, depending on my mood: Pink Floyd, Grateful Dead, Jimi Hendrix
Fun to listen to:  the Steve Miller Band, the Eagles, Queen (do they count
as "classic"?)

I'm really interested in listening to some of the artists others have
listed so far.  I have a sneaking suspicion that I've heard a lot of them
but don't know them by name.  That seems to happen a lot.

(By-the-by, I think this is a GREAT idea for a newsgroup!)
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From: jdell@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Joe Dell)
Subject: Re: Best Bass line ?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:24:35 GMT

I have to agree.  RUSH is , right now, the best band around.  They are
still alive, and I know await a new live album.
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From: daugherb@b8.b8.ingr.com (Bruce Daugherty)
Subject: Re: Guitar solos
Summary: Three way solo
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:54:20 GMT

In article <fineston-181192010701@je-college-node.net.yale.edu>, fineston@pop.cis.yale.edu (Jason Finestone) writes:
>   How 'bout this for a new discussion:  What are your favorite, classic,
> awe-inspiring guitar solos?
>   Some of my favorites include:
> 
> 				Comfortably Numb (both of them) -Floyd 
> 				Mood For a Day (simply beautifulalthough not as complex as 'Clap' or
> 			               'Surface Tension' or 'the Ancient' etc..) -Steve Howe
> (Yes)
> 				Black Dog (profoundly cool) -Led Zeppelin
> 				Bijou -Queen
> 				Watermelon in Easter Hay (too bad no one has heard this, it's
> incredible!) -Frank Zappa (off of Joe's Garage & Guitar)
> 				Janie's Got A Gun (what was Joe Perry thinking?!) -Aerosmith
> 
> I would love to see additions to this list on the newsgroup.
> 
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** Ok youngsters, one of the most inspirational solos that I feverishly
** tried to duplicate way back in HIGH school was really a three way 
** solo. Let's see how many have heard this particular track, on the album
** Goodbye Cream, the live cut of "Sitting On Top Of The World". The song
** features the brilliant three way jam with Clapton laying down an emotional
** lead that is superbly accented by Bruce and Baker. This song is a strong
** case for playing with gut feelings and a solo that is pushed even farther
** with the excellent backing. Never as well known as "Crossroads", it is
** one of my all time fav's, to me the song is a solo on each individual
** part.
**      I'm also a BIG Johnny Winter fan, IMHO this guy can give anyone a
** lesson. Alright, who's next?

**                                   "Loose Bruce"
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
Subject: Re: Joe Walsh and The James Gang
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:57:28 GMT
 <1992Nov17.085057.4016@wkuvx1.bitnet>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Nov17.085057.4016@wkuvx1.bitnet>
curtiws@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:

> In article <92321.220405SS3254B@auvm.american.edu>, Doc <SS3254B@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> > Howdy, y'all.  Can anyone tell me which James Gang albums Joe Walsh appears
> > on.  Just wondering.  Thanks to all who can help.
> >      - Doc

>  Hi,
>    I know he was on the one with "funk 48" and "funk 49" on it but for
> the life of me i cant remember the album name.it is a great album!

I believe there were three James Gang albums with Joe..."James Gang"
(1st album), "Ya Dig" & "James Gang - Thirds"...I think the "funk"
tunes are on Thirds

> BTW are there any Little Feat fans out there besides me?
>     once again i love the band but dont know as much of their stuff as
> i wish i did, any good albums i should check out?

Yep...if you haven't check already, check out "Goodbye Columbus",
"Feats Don't Fail Me Now" & "Dixie Chicken".
 
> Thanks,
>    Scott


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From: sununu@ece.arizona.edu (Arun Vaidyanath)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
Subject: Doors - overrated
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:02:24 GMT
Reply-To: sununu@ece.arizona.edu (Arun Vaidyanath)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering

Personally, I feel that the DOORS got so big only because they were
American. I strongly believe that all of classic rock is British and 
the Doors were over-rated since this great land of theirs had to be up
to the times. 
Not that I really dislike them or anything, but then Morrison has been
given a more than God-like image over the years and now it is more of 
the man than the music. I personally like Manzarek a lot and feel that
he contributed more of the music to the Doors. Jimmy was only responsible
for the image. Also wld like to thank Mr. Stone for my image on the Doors.

Opinions entirely my own.

Arun
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
Subject: Re: Guitar solos
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:54:09 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Here's some tunes with lead breaks that turn my crank:  "Cities On
Flame" - Buck Dharma (BOC);  "Train Kept A Rollin'" - Joe (A-smith);
"Aqualung" - the lead after the acoustic bridge...Martin Barre (Tull); 
"Whole Lotta Love" - JP/Zep; "Smoke On The Water" & "Lazy" - Ritchie
Blackmore (DP on "Machine Head"); "Reelin' In The Years" - Elliot
Randall (Steely Dan); "Goin' Home" - Alvin Lee/Ten Years After from
Woodstock;  "Little Wing" - Jimi; "Mississippi Queen" - Leslie West
(Mountain)...just to name a few!

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From: howiegbk@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jr Howard Mea Turner)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
Subject: New topics anyone?
Summary: FTP's
Keywords: ftp, STONE, ZEP, YOUNG
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:28:09 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

Anyone help me out with some FTP sites here?
POST or respond by email to
Howiegbk@jhuvms.hcf.jhu     or
turner@ce.jhu.edu

Thanks, and happy rocking!
H.

I love this newsgroup.
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From: jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell)
Subject: Re: Van Morrison
Organization: Department of Genetics, University of Utah
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:50:01

>>   Does anyone have any suggestions as to great cd's?

He has put out so many releases 
that it is hard to list a few.
Here's what I like.

older:
  Moondance

middle:
  Astral Weeks
  No Guru, No Method, No Teacher

newer:
  Inarticulate Speech of the Heart
  Poetic Champions Compose


Watch out.  The 'spritual' nature 
of some of these is a bit thick for
some folks.


jeff

	"I'm a soul in wonder"  Van the Man
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:04:04 EST
From: Doc <SS3254B@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
Subject: Joe Walsh and The James Gang

Howdy, y'all.  Can anyone tell me which James Gang albums Joe Walsh appears
on.  Just wondering.  Thanks to all who can help.
     - Doc

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From: shroymp@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mike Shroyer )
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
Subject: Re: Jethro Tull
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:34:24 CST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Nov20.151736@ece.arizona.edu>, sununu@ece.arizona.edu (Arun Vaidyanath) writes:
> 
> Also, my favourite Tull is Stormwatch!! What is the opinion on that work
> of art of you Tull fans!!
> 

That one is high on my list but my favoritte is by far 'Too Old to
Rock N' Roll, Too Young to Die'

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From: SS3254B@auvm.american.edu (Doc)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
Subject: Re: Lynryd Skynryd guitarists
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:19:16 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

Alan Collins and Gary Rossington were guitarists.  Might have been other,
just can't think of them now.

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From: cs911226@ariel.yorku.ca (DEAN J LACAPRARA)
Subject: Best Rock Band Ever
Originator: cs911226@c11.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:30:12 GMT


Despite the obvious greatness of Led Zep, they just didn't provide
the type of social-musical-political aura that only one group has :

THE BEATLES are the greatest band that ever existed. Why you say?

1) Without them, we would have been stuck with Tin Pan Alley shit
   for most of the Sixties, since R 'n' B could not have been a
   major force without the Merseybeat scene becoming one first.

2) Despite their obvious flaws (mid-60's concerts, gay manager, 
   a ridiculous breakup), they pretty much defined rock music.
   Elvis was good in the mid-50's, but he just couldn't branch out
   like the lads from Liverpool did. They played rock 'n' roll,
   folk, acid-rock, hard-rock, and more better than a lot of groups
   who stick to one style.

3) Every moment of their career gets so much attention, you'd think
   they were the messiahs of the 60's. 

4) Their LP covers from Rubber Soul to Abbey Road are brilliant.
   Listening to their tunes makes the covers inconsequential.

5) They worked almost non-stop during the 60's, something a lot of
   bands find a hard time doing for more than two years.

Sure, there are other reasons, but the key one is the MUSIC.