From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: Next?
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:41:00 -0500

In article <1993Jan6.001240.17024@adobe.com>, asanders@adobe.com (Alan Sanders) writes:
> | Penrose is a dweeb that tries to use quantum uncertianty
> | as a defense for human uniqueness. 
> 			
> 		    -Jim Mason
> 
> Now that's what I like: a tolerant, thoughtful response!
> 
> | We are not 'linked' to the quantum universe in any noticible 
> | way and even if we were, so are all the animals from protozoa 
> | on up. 
> 
> I love it when people make authoritative pronouncements on
> subjects they know less than nothing about! Glad to hear that
> we have the same possibilities as protozoa!

	Actually, we have *less* possibilities than protozoa.
	We are frimly trapped in our own patterns of thought.
 
> | Rule #1 ... when someone tries to make you or your motives 
> | 'divine' ... question them ten times over because you can be 
> | assured there are egomaniacal motives in there.
> 
> Did this guy get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning,
> or what?

	Gee what a PollyAna ... The egomaniac refuses to let go
	of his innate sense of superiority. I suppose that National
	Socialism is next ...
 
> | Beware of any references that make us seem more than the product 
> | of haphazard evolution. They usually rely on egomanical assumptions 
> | rather than logic.
> 
> Now this is a really idiotic statement. Belief in "haphazard 
> evolution" as the guiding principle of the Universe is only one 
> of many possible world views, and not the most inspired view
> by a long shot.

	Hmmm ... so the more embellishments to human evolution
	you can imagine, the more accurate the picture eh ? 
	Again, pure ego. PROVE that we are less than haphazard
	evolutionary products ... RIGHT NOW ... no bullshit !
	We have had 5000 years of civilization to prove that we
	are somehow special - and still nothing. I consider this a 
	decent random sample. 

> 
> | Logic is not superior to emotion. It is 'just another state of mind'.
> 
> I'd go farther than that. I'd say that emotional seeing (or emotional
> knowing) is a vastly superior perceptual tool to mere logic. And yet 
> the writer has clearly implied in his previous statement (above) that 
> *logic* is the foundation for his belief in "haphazard evolution".

	Yea, let's abandon all that tiresome crap about logic or
	education. That what we share with protozoa is obviously
	superior to logic. Why put out any effort when the answers
	to the universe are just waiting for interpreation by
	our crude emotional states. WHAT A CROCK !!! 

	What the hell makes you think that emotional states are
	more informative than logical analysis ? Emotion is
	nothing but a cheap firing of nerves. Reason requires
	education and effort. Your position is obviously that
	of an anti-intellectual. It is purest laziness and deserves
	no consideration whatsoever.

> 
> | I submit that we are nothing but slightly improved monkeys. 
> 
> Speak for yourself, James!
> 
> 		-Alan

	If you can't find parallels - strong parallels - between
	the social/intellectual behaviors of apes and modern
	man then you should not even be posting here on the
	net. Read Jane Goodall. We are them - in far more ways
	than we are interested in revealing.


-- JM 

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