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From: walrus@bessel.umd.edu (Grig Larson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Dark Force Rising
Keywords: NO SPOILERS!
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:02:21 GMT
Organization: Punkadyne Industries(tm)

In article <1992Aug25.225741.2334@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
> Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon N Smith) writes:
>>DFR has _just_ been released in hardback form here in the UK - paperback
>>should follow in a couple of months.  Just how far behind the rest of the
>>world are we here?
>
>You're only three months behind the US.
>
>>.. and is [DFR] in paperback over there already?
>
>No.  They bring out the paperback to the previous one at the same time
>as the new hardcover (i.e., the paperback of _HttE_ came out here in
>May), because they figure if you haven't broken down and bought the
>hardcover, you never will.  (Then again, some of us owned two hardcovers
>and bought the paperback anyway....)
>
>--
>Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
>
>  "It's an older code, sir, but it checks out.  I was about to clear them."

Just a little insight into books:
 
Publishers will put out a hardback of SF&F *only* if they think it would sell
as such (Eddings: Yes. Xanth: No.).  That's why only some Star Trek comes out
in HB form, and the others paperback.  Star Wars was a gamble, and a good one.
I know they had no idea it would be a best-seller.  They didn't ship enough
copies initially to the stores.
 
Now about this Hardback/paperback thing.  You are right about waiting.  Let
me make it simpler here.  Depending on the mass salability and the market
they are aiming for, usually it takes hardbacks about 9 months to a year to
come out in paperback.  Hardbacks are targeted for Xmas sales, and paper
backs rely on summer readers.  So mega big authors like Steven King, will
usually be released in October, and paperbacks in June or May.  Some authors
target a "thrify" audience, like SF&F, Romance, and Mystery.  They come out
in paperback a lot sooner.
 
Some mega-hit books will take up to 2 years to come out in paperback.  Esp-
ecially "medical" books, like "Love, Medicine, and Miracles" "The 8-week
colestorol Cure" and others.  Cookbooks are almost as bad, but paperback
cookbooks are obviously less desirable.
 
But cheer up SF fans.  Most of the world's best authors don't even hit 
hardback, unless they are one of the giants, like Asimov, Clarke, Eddings,
etc...  Hardback Star Trek is usually a collector's-only market, and
never does well.
 
But, alas, Star Wars is now very popular...
 

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From: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars script distribution: new info
Date: 4 Sep 92 07:53:21 GMT
Reply-To: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories

In article CCK@news.cso.uiuc.edu, rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes:
>In article <BtyqKq.9xB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin) writes:
>>
>>    [Lotsa stuff about scripts deleted]
>>
>>Here's one tantalizing tidbit to tide you over: in the next to last draft
>>of Return of the Jedi, Lando died in the Death Star explosion along with
>>the Millennium Falcon! Note that this explains Han's cryptic remark
>>when he and Lando part that Han has a feeling like he'll never see his
>>ship again. Amazing!
>
>The way I heared it, this was dropped after being shown to sample audiences;
>the people didn't like Lando dying, so Lucas changed it to keep him alive.
>This was mentioned in several fanzines around the time the movie came out.
>
>The Walrus

Who cares about Lando dying! It's the Falcon that's the major loss here!

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From: gretchen@cco.caltech.edu (Gretchen Millendore)
Subject: Re: Sith
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:06:47 GMT

gt6543a@prism.gatech.EDU (Eric F. House ) writes:

>I don't remember where I have seen this, but Sith was supposed to be a mountain
>where Anakin Skywalker was taken to be built into Darth Vader, and to 
**stuff deleted**

This talk of mountains also seems familiar... am I crazy or did Darth lose
much of his human parts in a volcano??  It could be that I'm just thinking
of the mountain Eric mentioned, but my cluttered brain seems to recall a
battle in a volcano, or near one, at least, and Darth fell in...

>-- 
>Eric F. House
>Box 36543 Ga Tech, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>Internet: eric@cc.gatech.edu

Gretchen Mullendore
gretchen@cco.caltech.edu
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:01:39 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


As stated many times before, there is the possibility of recharge taking
awhile, which might have been of the improvements in the new DS in RotJ.
About Yavin being too big, did we ever really get a great look at the DS
in size comparison to Alderaan?  If so it might be possible to compare this
the size of Alderaan to Yavin using DS as a constant.  One reason for Yavin
not being obliterated might be that all that waste from the explosion, remember
the "asteroid field that's not any of the charts," from the Alderaan remains, 
is that maybe the waste products would simply prevent too many small, numerous,
but annoying obstacles to prevent a clear shot.  Perhaps there is a certain size
of rock that will not impede the DS's ray.  But if you go up the size scale
to a certain point, you might reach a point where the rock does impede the ray,
or at least subtract from its energy.  If there were a new asteroid field in
the way, maybe there would be enough of them to detract from the DS's shot
power enough so that the ray wouldn't acheive the desired spectacular and
fear-inspiring complete and utter destruction of Yavin.  Perhaps it would
be weakened and "only" scald the moon surface and kill everyone, but not
destroy it utterly and with NO chance for underground shelters.  Just a 
guess...
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From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:37:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Falcon, X-Wings, etc. sets
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
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	Actually... most of the FALCON was built for ANH....
	All of the engine section was built... all the way 'round
	the right side, including the cargo "arms".

	Only the farthest left side was unfinished....  and probably the
	entire bottom-left.  The ANH Falcon was built practically up against
	the soundstage wall....  

	The only good "full shots" of the FALCON were from the observation
	area  above the docking bay.  A Matte painting was used to complete
	the scene.  I have photos of workers covering the metal
	frame for the ANH FALCON with plywood....

	-Mike-

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From: mkend@cs.monash.edu.au (Michael Kend)
Subject: Lucas' Young Indy
Summary: Yuong Indy Series
Keywords: lucas
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:44:43 GMT

To those who live in the U.S.,
	I have heard conflicting reports on George Lucas' Young Indy.Firstly
i heard that the series was a success and that Lucas was asked to do
another 15 eposide series. But then i heard that the first series had
bombed and that even die hard Indy fans hate the series. Could somebody
please tell me how the series is actually doing. Thanks!

	e-mail : mkend@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au


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From: s1082919@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (T Hankinson is GUMBY)
Subject: Re: Action Figures and such
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:52:06 GMT

In article <92242.155604TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu> TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu (Sime) writes:
>For those of you looking for SW toys, there is a hobby store in Orlando, FL
>which has a vast amount of SW stuff.
>I believe the store is called Intergalactic, and it is located on one of the
>larger routes thru Orlando.
>
>I myself picked up an Admiral Ackbar figure for $6,(not in the original package
>, however) but I love the old fishhead so it was worth it.
>
>The prices are pretty steep, but if you want any kind of SW stuff, from figures
> to playsets to trading cards, they got it there.
>
>Sime

  In Singapore's Toys'R'Us I picked a couple a Ackbar figures in original
  packs for just 50 cents.  For those who live in Victoria Australia,
  I heard there is a shop in Chapel St, Prahan which sells Star Wars Toys
  still in packs ( for huge prices though :-( )


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From: cuscd@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Charles Dey)
Subject: Re: Falcon's claw...
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:28:32 GMT

>>	First of all, I am sure that the normal Correllian cruiser does
>>	not carry those missile launchers.  This is a modification, only
>>	of *many* to the Falcon.  I am pretty sure this launcher was not
>>	installed until just before the rebel attack in RotJ.

Well, just before the attack was when Han talked Lando into taking the
falcon, I doubt they had enough time to install a new weapon system
after.... who know's, well now that I think of it, Han took off to the
Endor, landed, etc... then the fleet is shown like an Endor day later...
okay i take it back, I guess they did have enough time...


oh well.


"...pray I don't alter it any furthur..."   Darth Vader. The Empire
                                                         Strikes Back.

...Crim'
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon, X-Wings, etc. sets
Date: 26 Aug 1992 14:44:37 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
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Keywords: nice smile, loves kids, knows computers, etc...

In article <1992Aug26.200916.21743@udel.edu> darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy) writes:
>
>Whoa jumpbackkissmyself...  According to the Making Of ROTJ (a nifty
>little novel), The Falcon that was used in the sandstorm scene (don't
>I remember seeing it in the movie theater?!? *8) ) was the full-sized
>Falcon.  I remember because the book said it was the only time in the
>entire movie that Lucasfilm dusted off and used the full-sized Falcon.
>But you're right, the Falcon on the hangar bay is a matte painting...

	There was a long establishing shot of OUR HEROES (tm) walking
down the downward slope of a sand dune. And off in the distance there
was the Falcon and Luke's X-wing, parked and ready to go. THAT was
the matte.  I'm sure for the closer shots, the full sized was used.

BTW the matte painting is featured in ILM: The Art of Special Effects.

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From: gmclain@lonestar.utsa.edu (Glenn A. Mclain)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Random Ramblings (The Sith, cut scenes from ESB, etc.)
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:57:46 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

>There is (was) a scene where a Rebel Snowspeeder was shot, but did not im-
>mediately detonate, instead, he careened, flaming into an imperial walker
>(kamikaze style), and thus taking it down.  Anyone else remember this
>scene?
Wow!  I remember seeing this as well!

>Oh well, so much for the ramblings, and let me know if anyone wants me
>to post 'The Star Wars That Might Have Been.'

Yes!  One vote here!
From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Skywalking
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:11:11 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1992Sep2.042340.3608@cs.mun.ca> craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin) writes:
>Someone writes:
>
>>To anyone who's REALLY interested, the paperback price of _Skywalking_ is 
>>well worth the money.  I don't know if it's still in print; your local 
>>bookstore could find out (and order it for you if it is).  If not, there's 
>>always used bookstores.
>
>Could someone post some info on the hardcover edition of _Skywalking_?
>(e.g. price, year of publication, and *** ISBN NUMBER ***)
>I need this info to order the book through a local bookstore.  Thanks
>for any info.
>
I ordered the paperback version at a Waldenbooks a few weeks ago.  

Tim.

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From: umwieb69@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brent Michael J. Wiebe)
Subject: From Star Wars to Jedi ....
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:23:58 GMT

Does anyone out there know where I can get a copy of this tape?  I tried to
order it the other day (From Star Wars to Jedi the Making Of A Saga), and
was told the next day that it was discontinued(!!!!!!).  SO any info would
be appreciated.  Perhaps someone has a copy to sell, or will dub it for
me (illegal, eh?).  PLEASE RESPOND!!!!!!!!!!

I must agree with whoever posted that George Lucas' interview must coincide
with the release of something big (I'm watching the date May 21st, 1993
very closely).  I mean, why else would he let the 'world' know about the
next star wars movies if he weren't going to release them soon?  Also, I
agree that someone with access to this interview, post either the interview
or a summary thereof!  Thanx for listening to my babbling!

Regards,
Brent Wiebe
umwieb69@ccu.umanitoba.ca

-- 
"Infinite:  Bigger than the biggest thing ever and then some.  Much bigger than
that in fact, really amazingly immense, a totally stunning size, real 'wow,
that's big' time.  Infinity is just so big that, by comparison, bigness itself
looks really titchy.  ... huge is the sort of concept we're trying to get across here."
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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Empire trailer
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 21:36:39 GMT


In a previous article, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) says:

>>>>>> On 28 Aug 92 21:57:00 GMT, v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons) said:
>
>v113np2v> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
>
>v113np2v> In the "Star Wars Radio Show" issue of _Fantastic Films_ (Don't 
>v113np2v> have the issue #), one of the guys at ILM mentions that in the
>v113np2v> Empire trailer, one of the TIE fighters hits an asteroid, and 
>v113np2v> they rotoscoped in the pilot being thrown out of the cockpit,
>v113np2v> breaking into pieces, and bursting into flames. I have the
>v113np2v> trailer on tape, but unfortunately not that great a copy, so I 
>v113np2v> can't clearly discern any pilot. I have the laserdisc, too; and
>v113np2v> when I checked the shot that was in the trailer I didn't see 
>v113np2v> any pilot. Anyone (Josh?) know anything about this?

Just the other day I ran into someone who is completely disconnected
from the net so I asked him about the shoe and the potato.  He said
he hadn't seen either of them, but that he is sure he saw a pilot 
fly out of the TIE fighter that got smashed on the asteroid.  I told
him I hadn't seen it, but would ask about it.  Y'all beat me to it,
but I guess it must be there ...

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From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Subject: Re: Canon...the Official Word from Lucasfilm.
Summary: enough already! 
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:19:23 GMT

In regards to the comment about Lucasfilm reserving their right to change their
minds on things later.,... ease up guys!!!

I run into this same problem on the various StarTrek discussions. Somebody will
say something like "I noticed on Charlie X that there were thirty five screws on
Uhura's control panel, and in "the Corbamite Maneuver" there were thirty nine.
This is a MAJOR DISCREPANCY and a SERIOUS problem for ST tech!" etc etc...

There is a common misconception that movies like StarWars establish some kind
of finished "tech manual" from day one, and that they must stick totally and
ccompletely with it or else. I grant you that a film should have a certain
kind of consistency inside it, but movies like StarWars, the entire StarTrek
genre, and many other shows like that, were made up, added to and invented
as they went along. The Enterprise's technology was left purposefully vauge
because it didn't seem important to the show. Ditto for StarWars. The whole
idea that StarWars should now follow one sourcebook, novel, or any one
anything from now on is ludicrous. It's one thing to say "movie three 
contradicts movie one because of this major plot inconsistency." It's quite
another to say "the Millenium Falcon's double overhead cam foo generator was
putting out the wrong wavelength on the panel in scene 234,023!!! What idiots
those directors are!!!" 
.

Again, this doesn't mean we can excuse disasters like Highlander II, where
no attempt at ALL was made to be cinsistent with the original intent. Obviously
any new movies should follow the story, events, established "look" and 
explained tech foo (droids, how hyperspace works, the force, etc.). But 
Lucasfilm is only doing what any reasonable person would do at this stage of
any production. They can certainly say, "we originally liked this and this, but
we now like this idea better. We want to make this more believable in the
next movie, and expand thi and this." You have NO idea how long, hard and 
involved it is to make a film like StarWars. If you can't change things that
aren't working out as you go, you cannot make a movie. I know, I have made
ssome low budget films and videos. 
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From: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: Random Ramblings (The Sith, cut scenes from ESB, etc.)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  
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Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Distribution:  world
Date:  1 SEP 92 18:42:26    

In article <1992Aug31.175746.9528@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, gmclain@lonestar.utsa.edu (Glenn A. Mclain) writes...
>>There is (was) a scene where a Rebel Snowspeeder was shot, but did not im-
>>mediately detonate, instead, he careened, flaming into an imperial walker
>>(kamikaze style), and thus taking it down.  Anyone else remember this
>>scene?
>Wow!  I remember seeing this as well!

You "remember" this scene from the same place you remember the Biggs scene: 
it appeared in the novelization.  I believe it was General Veers' walker 
that was brought down in this fashion, but don't quote me on that.

>>Oh well, so much for the ramblings, and let me know if anyone wants me
>>to post 'The Star Wars That Might Have Been.'

To anyone who's REALLY interested, the paperback price of _Skywalking_ is 
well worth the money.  I don't know if it's still in print; your local 
bookstore could find out (and order it for you if it is).  If not, there's 
always used bookstores.

--Gallandro

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
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From: loverde@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (AstralWolf)
Subject: Re: Threepio question
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:46:59 GMT

In <1992Aug24.151625.18036@watson.ibm.com> trogers@watson.ibm.com writes:

>In  <1992Aug21.175754.11552@cs.wayne.edu>  delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge) writes:
>> In article <36870008@hpmwmat.sr.hp.com> mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:
>> >
>> >       The script writer goofed....
>> >
>> >       3PO was NOT protecting the princess (by lying to Luke) otherwise
>> >       he would have not gotten on R2-D2's case for not playing the
>> >       message.  It is possible that he didn't actually know what
>> >       she looked like... but that would be an unnecessary twist that would
>> >       not have been written in by the writers in the first place....
>> >
>> >       They just blew it.  It happens.
>> >
>> >       -Mike-
>>    I don't agree with that. 3PO was protecting her identity and his
>>    getting on R2 could also be perceived as just a ploy for Lukes
>>    benefit. 3PO knew that only one person was going to see that message
>>    and that R2 wasn't going to show anyone but Ben. No matter what 3PO
>>    said, R2 will do what was originally ordered of him.
>>
>>    IMHO, of course
>>
>> ================================================================================
>
>I agree.  If Threepio had a tongue, it would have definitely been in
>his cheek when he was scolding Artoo for not playing the message for
>'Master Luke'.  That scene always seemed over-dramatized by Threepio.
>I definitly think Threepio was giving Artoo the old electronic
>nudge-nudge-wink-wink when yelling at him.
>
>The comments regarding the radio show seem to prove this.  Please, no
>more posts stating this was a screenwriter's error.
>

     Hmm I dunno.  C3PO seems to have something in his programming which
PREVENTS him from lyings.  It "goes directly against his programming".
This of course is largely from the Zahn (or is it Zhan) books in which
he had to be forced to assume the voice of Leia and deceive any 
eavedroppers of New Alliance airwaves.  (Or was that spacewaves ;)
Anyway that is just a thought I had.  I mean my impression is that he
won't do anything deceptive...hmm well now a scene from Jedi comes to mind
where he got the Imperial Scouts attention so that Han I think it was could
get them (of course my memory could be failing me)  Anyway that would
explain why they had to reprogram C3PO to get him to mimic Leia.  Oh well
what y'all think?

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