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From: praim@connext.ucs.sfu.ca 
Subject: Re: Neutral Umpires ---> Pick your own !
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:14:39 GMT

 o> It is the latter (ie., `percieved bias) which makes the Pakistan team
> suspicious of Palmer and Constant; the English team suspicious of Rana
> and most of the other Pakistani umpires; the Indian team suspicious of
> King and the other (bespectacled) Aussie umpire whose name suddenly
> escapes me (Steve Randall?)!  After all, in the former case (ie.,
> incompetence), the concerned manager can take comfort from the knowledge
> that the umpire would be _uniformly_ incompetent.
> 

With all of this suspicion going on there is no one else for 
the West-Indies to suspect except the Dutch. Could you allocate 
someone? How about Zimbabwe? Let's not forget they are now a Test
side. Wait a minute. Let's allocate S.A. to be their hateee. But 
now S.A. needs someone to suspect. I guess that leave Sri Lanka.
Remember when the S.A. team played in S.L. and was badly cheated
and they are still looking suspiciously at S.L umpires.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:18:39 EDT
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Cricket in Olympics?
 <1992Jul30.010208.21628@gbrmpa.gov.au>

In article <1992Jul30.010208.21628@gbrmpa.gov.au>, wayne@gbrmpa.gov.au (Wayne
Amisano) says:
>
>> ...........  Though cricket is played mainly by Commonwealth countries,
>>they are widespread enough -- Europe, Australia, Asia, Americas and
>>Africa -- five continents, which should qualify.  Though perhaps, not
>>until the advent of the one day matches in the early eighties, was it
>                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Didn't they start in the late seventies with Kerry Packer and WSC.
>
in fact the first ODI was played in 1970 between england and australia when
the test at adelaide (?) was abandoned without any play.
and the first WC was held at least 2-3 yrs before packer.

Stay cool,
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From: sagrawal@cco.caltech.edu (Sanjay Kumar Agrawal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Bad light
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:50:12 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

It's dark at Headingley. Play has stopped. Rameez on 47, and Malik
yet to score.
From: rasf@st-andrews.ac.uk (Russell Anthony Stewart Fiedler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Three umpires at a cricket match
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:55:02 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.

In article <22JUL199219302539@ctrvx2.vanderbilt.edu> diwadkva@ctrvx2.vanderbilt.edu (Vaibhav A. Diwadkar) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.193204.27648@leland.Stanford.EDU>, 
>urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan) writes...
>
>>Just read in the July 15 edition of the Times (London), that the South
>>African cricket board is seriously considering using three umpires in 
>>each of the Tests against India later this year. 
>
>	- Actually my reading of the article is that it is a done deal 
>	as far as the four test matches go but will not use them in 
>	the onedays.
>

Huh? This is totally the opposite of what I read in the papers a few days ago.
The Guardian had a few comments from the head of the South African board who
said that when they tried the system in a match last season it was virtually
unworkable. The umpires on the field hesitated to make decisions and tended
to refer to the video umpire even for straight forward decisions. The flow of
the game was absolutely ruined. I'll see if I can hunt up the article. 

Cheers,

Russ Fiedler
From: sunny@kamal.metaphor.com (Kamaljeet Ahluwalia)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Mallender ???
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:12:48 GMT
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA
Originator: sunny@kamal


	Is Mallender a long lost twin brother of Maninder ?
	Did they get separated on a stormy night before the casting
	started ? 
	If they did, then that would explain why one grew up
	to be a spinner, while the other became a fast bowler.
	

	- Sunny

		Sooory, couldn't help it. :-)



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From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Subject: Re: eng 71/4 in sec inings...
Organization: California State University, Chico
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 17:19:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.161517.2183@julian.uwo.ca> raza@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed) writes:
>
>source:
>
>talk comand to Jawad Ali at PAD...

I would not encourage this trend :)

My posts come to rsc through CRICKETS.  Even though CRICKETS was meant,
among other things, to speed up updates, on days like this it probably
would have been faster to post directly to rsc.  On most days there is
hardly any difference.

Since the beeb has pulled another Hiedi, let me report my last Botham
sighting and then go back to sleep...

Botham sighting:

There he is in the back row grinning to himself.  It has nothing
to do with England's comfortable march towards victory.  No, he
just finally understood the Holding/Willie joke.

j n a
>
>S.R.Raza.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: carter@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: re: English Umpiring, hello Rajeev
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:02:12 GMT

 I really can't understand where you guys get the idea that the average
 Brit thinks that English umpires don't make mistakes. Those who have
 actually played the game know this only too well!
 When I played cricket it was acknowledged that each side had 12 players,
 11 plus the umpire, and when batting, this was taken into account. ie never
 let the ball anywhere near the pads if 'their umpire' was at the bowlers end.
 I have heard the opposition bowler appeal for LBW when the batsman has played
 a perfectly good off drive; their umpire later explained that it had been the
 only ball the chap had bowled on the wicket all day, and had thought it 'wor
I have heard the opposition bowler appeal for LBW when the batsman has played
a perfectly good off drive; their umpire explained later that it was the only
ball on the wicket the bowler had bowled all day, and therefore thought it 
 "worth a shout'. All this was taken in good humour, something that seems
 sadly lacking in much of this network traffic. 
 Of course, I'm much older than you guys!
 I just wonder why it is that if Pakistani umpires are criticised it is
 racist, but if English umpires come under the sort of attack I've been
 reading about here, it is OK?
  If you read the more intelligent press, you will find such such phrases
 as " Palmer's decision to give Gooch not out when he was clearly 2ft out of
 his crease, was diabolical"; or-; the umpires LBW decisions seemed to be based
 on random numbers.(The Guardian). Is this biassed or racist?
 When I played cricket it was for fun, and although the matches were played in
 what seemed to be a war situation, there was always a twinkle in the eye, and
 a few (?) pints in the local with the opposition later.
 A final word, if anyone anywhere critises an opposition umpire, it is about
 cricket, not race.(well my age group, anyway)
 Dick.
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: T4 D3 11:21 GMT
Date: 25 Jul 1992 05:21:20 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

After two days of heartbreaking meteriological snafus we
finally have a reception.  Even Radio Beging, which I have grown
to love, is back in force. England is doing well at 231/1.

Gooch hits another 4. 235/1.  Gooch on 106(?).

Reception quality: Well, atleast there's something.

Pakistan Affairs Desk is back in business.
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From: sougata@cc.gatech.edu (Sougata Mukherjea)
Subject: Re: Windies Wicketkeeper(s) in the WI Vs Ind 1971 Series
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:47:30 GMT

In article <25JUL199218094418@ctrvx2.vanderbilt.edu> diwadkva@ctrvx2.vanderbilt.edu (Vaibhav A. Diwadkar) writes:
>In article <1992Jul25.205114.19724@samba.oit.unc.edu>, 
>Rajeev.Pant@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rajeev Pant) writes...
>
>
>
>	-Yeah Sardee Maan was not as prolific in England in the summer
>	of '71 (niether was Sunny Gavaskar for that matter) but he did
>	play.  Infact he and Vishwanath had a crucial partnership at
>	the Oval as India chased 170+ to win and were in some trouble.
>	That may have been his swansong (I'm not sure if he played against
>	Tony Lewis' team to India in '72-'73).  He was definitely not 
>	associated with the "Summer of 42" fiasco.
>
>							- Vaibhav.
>

You are right. Sardesai was not a part of the "Summer of 42" fiasco.
However, when Lewis led his English side to India in 1972-73 Sardesai 
played in the first test. He didn't play well and India lost that test 
at Delhi. He was dropped for the second test at Calcutta and that test
at Delhi was his last. Incidentally, India won the series 2-1 with 
memorable wins at Calcutta and Madras. 

- Sougata




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Sougata Mukherjea (sougata@cc.gatech.edu)
College of Computing
Georgia Tech
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: rakesh@ecr.mu.oz.au (Rakesh DESAI)
Subject: Replays for Umpiring
Keywords: Replays, Umpiring
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:37:44 GMT

With most of the cricket playing nations  have the access to good TV
coverage of International Cricket matches, I wonder why none of the
countries are thinking of using TV replays to decide some of the close
decisions.

I mean especially some of the close run outs which are wee bit too fast
for human eye.  An umpire sitting in the pavilion can watch a replay and
pass on the verdict in terms of atleast run outs.  I am sure LBW
decisions are too complicated to be judged from camera.  Some of the
close bat and pad catches or catches taken inches above the ground or
bounced (inzamam-gower controversy) can have second opinion based on TV
replays.  Why Cricket authorities are adamant on using only human eye as
the judge for results?  When technology is available why not utilised?

Comments welcome.

rakesh
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From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Subject: Re: Eng vs Pak day 4 (Close of play)
Keywords: Score
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:35:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.184404.10482@infodev.cam.ac.uk> js138@cus.cam.ac.uk (John Sloan) writes:

>England won by 6 wickets.

Congratulations to all the supporters of the English team for a well
contested victory, and to all cricket fans for such entertaining
cricket.  This tour, which has been anything but dull, is suddenly
that much more exciting.

Next test at Lords, August 6-10

j n a
From: v124t66l@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Sudip K Mazumder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: info needed
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:58:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul22.174946.17755@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, mkyeddan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Murali Yeddanapudi) writes...
>Hello netters, 
>               Does someone remember the breathtaking one-day match
>(IND-PAK) at Sharjah, in which Miandad hit a sixer off the last ball
>from Chethan Sharma ? I was wondering if PAK needed only 4 runs off the
>last ball or more in order to win. Could someone post the info ? Thanks
>in advance.
> 
>vijay







Dear Vijay,
Pak needed only 3 runs to win and they got it from our ever benevolent 
Chetan Sharma.


Sudip
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Pak vs India, Sharjah 1986
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:16:05 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <23JUL199212441819@vxcrna.cern.ch> hasan@vxcrna.cern.ch  writes:
>
> They've already won 7 and still need one more victory
> from the two county games left. BTW, why is everybody
> so keen for the tourists to win this bonus? This is 
> just an arbitrary target (8 out of 12 or 13? county
> games) and would not set any record.

Everything in cricket is a record:-)  My understanding is that the
bonus has been offered to all touring sides in recent years and
Pakistan would be the first side ever to claim it it they can chalk
up the 8 wins.

>
>-Hasan
>
j n a
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: T4  D4 Tea
Date: 31 Jul 1992 14:05:31 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Needing 99 to win, England are well set at 42/2.

It looks very unlikely that Pakistan will be able
to pull off a Zimbabwe here.  It's tea now so we
have time for ...


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Like our counterparts on Madison Ave., we at the Pakistan Affairs Desk
would also like to recognize trend setting inovation in sports.

Kip Keno:  	Invented high altitude training
Frosby(?): 	The flop
IT Botham:	The tactical lawsuit.

Even in sports where the level of savagery far exceeds the friendly
tow crunching of cricket, no one has had the good sense :) to settle the
disputes of the field in the gentlemanly court of law.

j n a. 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: gkb1@chempc1.york.ac.uk (Graham Barlow)
Subject: Fri,14:46. Pakistan stem the tide, but fail to take wickets
Organization: University of York, UK
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:48:59 GMT

Current time: Friday,  14:44

England 1st innings, Started on Friday at 11:59

Gooch			 38  
Atherton		 38
Smith
Gower
Stuart
Hick
Monkton
Ramprakash 
Extras			 16  (lb, nb)
Total			 92   for 0
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Bowler		Ovr	Score
Wasim Akram		 
Javed Miandad	 
Wakar Unis		 
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From: x90mumtaz@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: WHAT ABOUT CRICKET!!!!!!!!
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:21:04 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <keQ1vR_00WBN02P61E@andrew.cmu.edu>, Alok Sharan <as56+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> On 23-Jul-92 in Re: WHAT ABOUT
> user @bingsuns.cc.binghamton. writes:
>>In article <1992Jul23.150204.4711@gw.wmich.edu> x90mumtaz@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>>hi,
>>>   Can't anybody in Pakistan, India, Australia, New Zealand, ENGLAND and
>>>even USA , Canada mail the full details of the first day of 4th test. 
>>>
>>>Atif [who is anxiously waiting for a reply] Mumtaz
>> 
>> 
>>Folks in Pakistan/India have no access to RSC to post the scores.
>                    ^^^^^^
> Actually, that's not true. There are institutions in India that have
> access to r.s.c., but it seems that reading newsgroups isn't really
> popular there. However, to the best of my knowledge, Pakistan does not
> have internet facilities.
> 
>Alok 

Nope you are wrong. Pakistan does have access to newsgroups. But it just
seems it is also not much popular there----the same scenairo as in India

Atif Mumtaz

Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: ST402420@brownvm.brown.edu
Subject: Re: Double Internationals
Organization: Brown University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:12:51 GMT


Just read that Gary Lineker kept wickets for MCC against Germany a few days
ago at Lord's. Apparently his contribution to `MCC's hefty total of 289 for
six was a single to square leg. On his way back to the dressing room he said,
`I always score one against the Germans.' Joke ein Englischer.' (from The
Guardian). The German team consisted of nine Asians, an Englishman and was
led by an Australian microbiologist.

Viv.
From: K.K.W.Ho@uk.ac.lut (Kelvin Ho)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: A Report : NUSCF 1992, Loughborough University
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:11:16 GMT
Organization: Loughborough University, UK


     The 1992 Northern Universities Staff Cricket Festival took place last week
in Loughborough.  In a remarkable piece of meteorological guesswork, we managed
to stage the Festival during a window of fine weather (apart from an hour's
worth of heavy rain at midnight on Thursday).  Had it been held the week before
or during this week, then it would have been badly affected by rain. 
Admittedly, the pitches were on the soft side due to the previous weeks' rain
and therefore lacked the preparation necessary.

     Six University staff teams participated, with Loughborough fielding two
teams to make it upto eight.  Leeds, Loughborough Roundheads, Nottingham and
Sheffield were in Group A, and Birmingham, Lancaster, Loughborough Cavaliers
and Newcastle were in Group B.  After the round-robin matches, Sheffield came
top of Group A and Newcastle was top of Group B.  In the first place play-off
on Friday, Sheffield apparently beat Newcastle with ease and became Festival
winners for the umpteenth time in the last 25 years.  The Loughborough
Roundheads (which I played for) was squeezed into fourth place in Group A and
played against Birmingham for the "wooden spoon".  We managed to beat them by 7
runs in the last over.  The Loughborough Cavaliers was placed third in Group B
on a slower run rate and played against Nottingham for 5th/6th place. 
Nottingham won.

     There were two centurions during the Festival.  But the more impressive of
the two has to be the one made by Atif Khan for the Loughborough Cavaliers.  He
scored 127 and hit 14 fours and 8 sixes.  Apparently he faced 70 balls and had
40 scoring shots.  But I have not seen the scorebook yet so this last piece of
information is not confirmed.

     With hindsight, there were things that might have been done better or
differently.  But overall the Festival was a success, with the use of neutral
umpires (supplied by the Leicestershire area of the Association of Umpires) at
the top of many favourable comments.

     The 1993 Festival will be held in Sheffield.  Let us hope that they have
better luck with the weather prior to the Festival.  After putting in 10 months
of hard work with two other colleagues getting the Festival organisied, it was
not nice to have to sit through 2 to 3 weeks of heavy rain just before the
start and wondered whether the Festival would take place at all.

     I was told by several visiting players that they had read my first article
on r.s.c. about the Festival and replied on r.s.c. as well as sending me E-Mail
messages.  I have received the E-Mail ones but have missed those on r.s.c. 
Thank you for sending them and I am sorry that I missed the r.s.c. ones.



Kelvin Ho,
Festival Organising Committee Secretary,
Loughborough University of Technology,
Leicestershire,
England.
From: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: England 2nd Innings
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:05:51 GMT
Reply-To: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Jul27.224235.28919@walter.bellcore.com> shamim@.bellcore.com writes:
>
  [...]

>As for England's attack, it is bland. 

  [...]

     Certainly the bowling attack at Headingly was pretty bland, but
 remember that
     (a) that bowling line-up was chosen specifically for that match, and
 will probably not be used again, and
     (b) some of those bowlers were only playing because England's best
 bowlers are injured/unavailable.

     England are currently missing DeFreitas (England's best bowler for
 the last two seasons), Fraser (England's best bowler before his long-term
 hip injury), Tufnell, and Lawrence (not in the same class as Waqar et al,
 but much better than Malcolm), all missing through injury. Also missing
 is Foster through a TCCB ban (which has recently been lifted) who has
 consistently been one of the best bowlers in England in recent years.

     The bowling attack going to India will (probably) have DeFreitas,
 Tufnell and Foster all playing, and will not be so bland as the current
 line-up.

     Regards, Steve.
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: T4 D3 Lunch
Date: 25 Jul 1992 07:25:03 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


              ----------------------------------------------
              Pakistan Affairs Desk helps out in an argument
              ----------------------------------------------

In case you have not made up your mind about the great r.s.c.s debate,
here is an example of the kind of score update that does NOT belong
or r.s.c.s:

	At lunch England are 298/4.  Gooch (135) 
	and Sterart (8) are basck in the Pavilion,
	victums, persumably, of a long overdue
	Mushtaq.

	The trouble is that the reception is now so
	bad that none of the above may have happened.
	The only thing that I'm sure of is that there
	has been a lot of commotion, and I can sense
	the excitement in the voices of the TMS crew.
	For all I know, that could just be our friend
	Ian having his plastic beach ball coniscated
	in an ugly encounter with the security.

	I hope this helps.

	j n a
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:54:17 EDT
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: should we have an FAQ?

recently i have received requests from americans to give them a brief
description of cricket- the rules and how the game is played etc. BRIEF!!!!!
yeah, right!
what i did on the last two occasions was refer them to their local library,
which should have some cricket books and asked them to come back to me if they
had any further questions. the trouble was that some of the questions are
pretty technical and explaining them without using "cricket" words and terms
is not very easy. i first had to explain a lot of the terms and then i could
attempt to reply these questions.
i feel that maybe this whole problem could be solved if the regulars of rsc
could maybe combine to put together a brief(!) description of the game and
rules in simple language which could be then made available on an FTP site.
what do you guys think? probably Dr. K. S. Rao could assist in making the FTP
site available.
btw, if there already is such an FAQ available, ignore this posting.

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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