From: nguyend@netcom.com (Quang Dinh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Hoa` Ho+.p Hoa` Gia?i & Gia'o Ho^.i Thie^n Chua' ( Last one)
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:02:35 GMT
Reply-To: nguyend@netcom.com




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> 
>  BK wrote :
> 
> 4. Lo+`i Ddu+'c Tha'nh Cha Gioan Phaolo II dda~ ddu+o+.c ghi la.i 
>    trong bu+'c Thu+ Chung nga`y 15 tha'ng 4 na<m 1992 nhu+ sau:
>    "Ddu+`ng dde^? la.i su+. cay dda<'ng na`o giu+~a anh em cu`ng
>     mo^.t da^n to^.c - Ho`a gia?i la` con ddu+o+`ng ta^'t ye^'u 
>    dde^? xa^y du+.ng va` ba?o ve^. To^? Quo^'c va` Gia'o Ho^.i"
> 
> 
> Qua ca'c chi tie^'t tre^n, ca^u ho?i ddu+o+.c dda<.t ra :
> 
>   Toa` Tha'nh Vatican, Gia'o Ho^.i Thie^n Chua' Gia'o Vie^.t Nam 
>   u?ng ho^. la^.p tru+o+`ng giao lu+u hoa` ho+.p ho`a gia?i, tuy
>   nhie^n, Toa` Tha'nh Vatican, Gia'o Ho^.i Thie^n Chu'a gia'o VN 
>   muo^'n ho`a ho+.p hoa` gia?i vo+'i ai ??? Vo+'i chi'nh quye^`n 
>   ddo^.c ta`i Co^.ng Sa?n Ha` No^.i hay vo+'i toa`n kho^'i da^n 
>   to^.c ddang bi. a'p bu+'c ????
>    
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> 
>    My reply :
> 
>    Chu+~ Hoa` Ho+.p Hoa` Gia?i kho^ng mang 1 y' nghi~a XA^'U na`o ca?.
>    Trong ca'c to^n gia'o lo+'n nhu+ Pha^.t gia'o,Co^ng gia'o. etc..thi`
>    Chu'a Pha^.t dde^`u da.y con ngu+O+`i ta ha~y YE^U THU+O+NG NHAU
>    tu+'c la` ha~y bo? qua la^`m lo^~i cu?a nhau dde^? ma` Hoa` Ho+.p
>    Hoa` Gia?i vo+"i nhau.
> 
> 
>    DDo^'i vo+'i Gia'o ho^.i CG Toa`n ca^`u ( va` Gia'o ho^.i CG VN)
>   thi` gia'o ho^.i na`y cha<?ng co' gi` thu` oa'n vo+"i da^n to^.c VN
>   ca? ma` co`n co' nhu+~Ng lie^n he^. ma^.t thie^'t nu+~a la` kha'c
>   ( qua con so^' ho+n 7 trie^.u ngu+o=`i Co^ng gia'o o+? VN) do ddo'
>   ca^u chuye^.n HHHG dda~ kho^ng ddu+o+.c dda<.t ra vo+"i ngu+o=`i Vie^.t
>   Nam va` Gia'o ho^.i Toa`n ca^`u na`y. Nhu+ va^.y  no'i dde^'n HHHG o+?
>   dda^y tu+"c la` no'i ve^` HHHG giu+~a ca'c tha`nh pha^`n lie^n quan
>   to+'i Vie^.t Nam ( da^n chu'ng VN, ca'c to^n gia'o VN,etc..) va` vo+'i
>   che^' ddo^. VC.  NHU+NG ddie^?m chu'ng ta ca^`n pha?i nho+' o+? dda^y
>   la` :  Gia'o Ho^.i CG Toa`n ca^`u va` Vie^.t Nam ke^u go.i , u?ng ho^.
>   chuye^.n HHHG Vo+'i Ddie^`u Kie^.n  la` :
> 
>        Che^' ddo^. VC pha?i to^n tro.ng Tu+. do ( tu+. do to^n gia'o,
>  thi' du.: kho^ng ddu+o+.c xen la^'n va`o no^.i bo^. cu?a to^n gia'o,            ddie^`u na`y y he^.t nhu+ be^n Pha^.t gia'o & CG ddang ye^u ca^`u o+? VN )     Da^n chu? cu?a da^n chu'ng.
> 
>        GH CG Toa`n ca^`u & GH CG VN kho^ng no'i kho+i kho+i hay kho^ng
>  co' ddie^`u kie^.n gi` ca? khi no'i chuye^.n HHHG.   Ddie^`u na`y kha'c
> vo+'i lua^.n ddie^.u tuye^n truye^`n HHHG bi.p bo+.m cu?a nhu+~ng te^n
> chi'nh kha'ch, sa lo^ng, ham xo^i thi.t , chu+"c tu+O+'c hay cu?a nhu+~ng
>  te^n VC na<`m vu`ng ddu+a ra.
>     
> 
>    Chuye^.n DGH dda~ kho^ng tie^'p kie^'n pha'i ddoa`n VC va` kho^ng
>   chi.u cha^'p thua^.n nhu+~ng ye^u ca^`u cu?a VC ddu+a ra dda~ chu+'ng
>   to? la^.p tru+o+`ng HO`A HOA~N  Co' Ddie^`u Kie^.n. Khi VC kho^ng
>   nhu+o+.ng bo^. va` va^~n chu+'ng to? tha'i ddo^. u+O+ng ngha.ch , cu+"ng
>   co^? thi` chuye^.n HHHG se~  kho^ng thu+.c hie^.n
> 
>    Nhu+ va^.y, GH CG Toa`n ca^`u dda~ kho^ng  ddi sai nguye^n ta<'c to^n
> gia'o la` ke^u go.i su+. Hoa` gia?i giu+~a ca'c tha`nh pha^`n cu?a 1
> da^n to^.c.
> 
>    MO^.T ddie^?m quan tro.ng ca^`n no'i ra la` : GH Toa`n ca^`u dda~
> kho^ng ddu+a va^'n dde^` HHHG dde^? la`m lo+.i cho che^' ddo^. VC ma`
> co^'t y' la`m lo+.i cho toa`n the^? da^n Vie^.t ( qua HHHG  Co' Ddie^`u
> Kie^.n). 
>
> Nhu+ va^.y GC CG Toa`n ca^`u ( va` GH CG VN ) dda~ xu+? su+. ra^'t ho+.p
> ly' va` ho+.p ti`nh khi xe't ve^` phu+o+ng die^.n to^n gia'o va` tra^`n
> the^' ( ve^` va^'n dde^` tra^`n the^', GHCG Toa`n ca^`u & VN xu+? du.ng
> ho+.p ly' la` : Bie^'t VC ngoan co^' va` bu+o+'ng bi?nh, luo^n luo^n
> muo^'n cai tri. va` dda`n a'p ngu+o+`i da^n ba<`ng ba.o lu+.c cho ne^n
> GHCG Toa`n ca^`u & VN bie^'t cha<'c ra<`ng kho^ng the^? chi? cu+' khu+ khu+ 
>mang lua^n ly' hay tie^u chua^?n dda.o ddu+'c , to^n gia'o dde^? no'i
>chuye^.n HHHG vo+'i VC ddu+o+.c ma` pha?i thu+.c te^' trong va^'n de^` quan
>tro.ng va` te^' nhi. na`y. Tu+'c la`  Chi? HHHG khi VC to^n tro.ng Tu+.
>Do & Da^n chu?  cu?a da^n chu'ng.
>    
> 
> Cu`ng du`ng 1 tu+` ngu+~ la` HHHG nhu+ng be^n GH CG Toa`n ca^`u & VN chu?
>  tru+o+ng ddem lo+.i i'ch cho ca? 1 da^n to^.c. Co`n lo^'i HHHG cu?a
>  ca'c te^n chi'nh kha'ch xo^i thi.t, ham danh lo+.i, ca'c te^n VC
>  na<`m vu`ng o+? ha?i ngoa.i thi` sao ??  Ne^'u theo ca'ch HHHG cu?a
>  bo.n na`y thi` chi? la`m lo+.i cho bo.n VC ma` ha.i ca? 1 da^n to^.c
>  Vi` theo ca'ch thu+'c HHHG cu?a chu'ng thi` se~ giu'p bo.n VC mua the^m
>  tho+`i gio+` dde^? vu+O+.t thoa't kho?i nhu+~ng kho' kha<n hie^.n ta.i
>  ( y he^.t nhu+ Ho^` chi' Minh la`m ho^`i 1945 vo+'i ca'c dda?ng pha'i,
>  to^? chu+'c quo^'c gia , da^n to^.c) , cu?ng co^' la.i lu+.c lu+o+.ng
>  sau ddo' la.i bung ra dde^? dda`n a'p va` tie^u die^.t nhu+~ng ai , to^?
>  chU+'c na`o kho^ng theo VC. Lu'c ddo' ca'i -go.i-la` HHHG se~ bi. bo.n
>  VC ne'm va`o thu`ng ra'c kho^ng ho+n kho^ng ke'm ( ba<`ng chu+'ng hie^.p
>   ddi.nh Paris 1973 co`n so+` so+` ra ddo').
> 
> 
>    No'i to'm la.i : chu+~ HHHG la` To^'t vo+'i ddie^`u kie^.n la`
>  2 be^n thu+.c su+. muo^'n Hoa` Ho+.p vo+"i nhau dde^? xa^y du+.ng 1
>  ca'i gi` ddo'.
> 
>     Nhu+ng chu+~ Hoa` Ho+.p Hoa` Gia?i dda~ bi. VC (va` nhu+~ng te^n
>   VC na<`m vu`ng , nhu+~ng tha`nh pha^`n tri' thu+"c bi. VC lo+.i
>   du.ng ru ngu?  ) tru+o+'c 1975 mang ra xu+? du.ng trie^.t dde^? ha^`u
>   giu'p cho VC cho'ng tho^n chie^'m ddu+O+.c mie^`n Nam Vie^.t Nam ba<`ng
>   vo~ lu+.c. Nay o+? ha?i ngoa.i na`y, 1 la^`n nu+~a, ca'i tu+` ngu+~
>   ra^'t ha^'p da^~n ,tho+m tho ( tro^ng gio^'ng nhu+ 1 vie^n ke.o ma` co''
>   the^? bi. ta^?m thuo^'c ddo^.c o+? be^n trong. Kinh nghie^.m tru+o+'c
>   1975 dda~ chu+'ng to? ddie^`u na`y) HOA` HO+.P HO`A GIA?I ddu+O+.c mang
>   ra chu`i, dda'nh bo'ng dde^? ca^u kha'ch. Ddu'ng ra, bi`nh thu+o+`ng
>   thi` ca'i mo'n ha`ng HO`A HO+.P HOA` GIA?I na`y cha<'c cu~ng se~ lo^i
>   ke'o ddu+O+.c su+. u?ng ho^. dda^'y. Nhu+ng ke.t 1 ca'i na`y : Trong
>   danh sa'ch nhu+~ng ngu+O+`i ke^u ga`o Hoa` Ho+.p Hoa` Gia?i thi` chu'ng
>   ta tha^'y dda^`y da^~y nhu+~ng ke? ddo'n gio' tro+? co+` ( nhu+~ng te^n
> tu+o+'ng ta', chi'nh tri. gia, va<n nghe^. si~, tu si~,la'i buo^n dda~ tu+`ng
>   co' tho+`i ky` a<n tre^n ngo^`i cho^'c, ca^`m va^.n ma.ng dda^'t nu+O+'c
>   hay ddu+O+.c hu+o+?ng nhu+~ng dda<.c a^n cu?a che^' ddo^. Mie^`n Nam
>   tru+o+'c dda^y ),nhu+~ng te^n la'i buo^n chi'nh tri. na`y  chi? nghi~
>   dde^'n quye^`n lo+.i cho ca' nha^n mi`nh , gia ddi`nh mi`nh tru+O+'c
>   he^'t. A^'y la` chu+a ke^? nha^'p nho^ trong dda'm ngu+o+`i xo^i thi.t
>   a^'y, chu'ng ta la.i tha^'y xua^'t hie^.n nhu+~ng te^n tha^n co^.ng DDA~
>   va` DDANG CO' nhu+~ng ha`nh ddo^.ng u?ng ho^. hay hoa.t ddo^.ng cho Vie^.t
>   co^.ng. Thu+? ho?i vo+'i tha`nh pha^`n HOA` HO+.P HO`A GIA?I go^`m nhu+~ng
>   te^n la'i buo^n chi'nh tri., xo^i thi.t, nhu+~ng ke? the`m thuo^`ng danh
>   vo.ng ba^'t cha^'p quye^`n lo+.i quo^'c gia da^n to^.c ke^? tre^n , co'
>   bao nhie^u ngu+o+`i da'm tin va`  da'm u?ng ho^. cho ca'i-go.i-la`
>   Hoa` Ho+.p Hoa` Gia?i loa.i na`y  ???? 
> 
>     To^i tha^'y va`i  ngu+o+`i  , ke^u ga`o Ho`a Ho+.p Hoa` Gia?i
>  nhu+ng ho. chi? no'i xuo^ng xuo^ng, kho+i kho+i chu+' kho^ng no'i la`
>  HHHG thi` pha?i la`m sao , pha?i co' ddie^`u kie^.n gi`. Va` 2 be^n co'
>  to^n tro.ng nhu+~ng ddie^`u kie^.n ddo' kho^ng ??
> 
>   Ai la.i kho^ng muo^'n Hoa` Ho+.p Hoa` Gia?i
>   Ai la.i kho^ng muo^'n so^'ng trong ha.nh phu'c, kho^ng co' chie^'n tranh
>   NHU+NG Hoa` Ho+.p Hoa` Gia?i vo+'i ai ??? Be^n kia co' THU+.C SU+. MUO^'N
>   HOA` HO+.P HOA` GIA?I hay kho^ng ??? Hay la` ho. la.i do+? tro` HHHG y
>   he^.t nhu+ ho. dda~ tu+`ng la`m gian do^'i ( cheating) tru+o+'c 1975 ???
>   Ne^'u HHHG thi` be^n VC pha?i la`m gi` ??? Va^~n tie^'p tu.c Ddo^.c Ta`i
>   Dda?ng Tri. hay cho Free election ??? Va^~n tie^'p tu.c dda`n a'p bo?
>   tu` da^n chu'ng qua ca'i -go.i- la` Toa` A'n Nha^n Da^n .??? Ai se~ ba?o
>   dda?m cho ca'i HHHG ddu+O+.c thu+.c hie^.n co^ng ba<`ng ?
> 
>      Ca' nha^n to^i cha<?ng thu` oa'n gi` vo+"i
>  ddo^`ng ba`o cu?a to^i ca? cho ne^n to^i dda^u ca^`n HHHG vo+'i da^n
>  to^.c to^i. To^i cu~ng cha<?ng thu` oa'n sa^u na<.ng dde^'n ddo^. muo^'n
>  gie^'t he^'t nhu+~ng 2 trie^.u dda?ng vie^n VC . To^i chi? thu` nhu+~ng
>  te^n la~nh dda.o VC cao ca^'p ddang ngo^`i na<'m quye^`n lu+.c va` chi?
>  vi` me^ quye^`n lu+.c ma` chu'ng ddu+a ca? 1 da^n to^.c dda^'t nu+o+'c va`o
>  ca?nh kho^'n cu`ng, nghe`o ddo'i. Ne^'u bo.n la~nh dda.o na`y chi.u
>  tu+` bo? quye^`n lu+.c ddo^.c ta`i dda?ng tri. va` ba^`u cu+? Tu+. Do thi`
>  to^i cha<?ng co' ly' do gi` thu` oa'n ho. nu+~a. To^i cu~ng sa<~n sa`ng
>  Ho`a Ho+.p Hoa` Gia?i vo+'i nhu+~ng te^n la~nh dda.o cho'p bu na`y NE^'U
>  Ho. Chi.u Tu+` Bo? Chu? Nghi~a Co^.ng Sa?n dda~ bi. ca'c nu+o+'c sinh ra
>  no' tu+` bo? va` qua<?ng va`o so.t ra'c cu?a li.ch su+?. Ne^'u ho. dde^?
>  cho da^n chu'ng VN co' quye^`n cho.n lu+.a che^' ddo^. va` chi'nh phu?
>  ma` da^n chu'ng u+a thi'ch . NE^"U nhu+~ng chuye^.n ddo' ddu+O+.c thu+.c
>  hie^.n thi` to^i sa<~n sa`ng la`m ca? 10, 100, 1,000 ca'i Hoa` Ho+.p
>  Hoa` Gia?i chu+' no'i chi dde^'n 1 ca'i.
> 
>    To^i cu~ng nghi~ la` : Ca? da^n to^.c VN cu~ng cha<?ng muo^'n ha^.n
>  thu` nhau, da^n chu'ng cha<?ng muo^'n gie^'t ho+n 2 trie^.u dda?ng vie^n
>  VC la`m chi. Ho. chi? muo^'n ho. ddu+O+.c quye^`n cho.n lu+.a che^'
>  ddo^. va` chi'nh quye^`n ma` ho. u+a thi'ch tho^i. Nhu+ va^.y chuye^.n
>  HHHG la` do bo.n la~nh dda.o VC pha?i la`m vo+'i da^n chu'ng VN vi`
>  chi'nh bo.n na`y dda~ ba<'t bo? tu`, doa. dda`y da^n chu'ng , gie^'t
>  che^'t ha`ng trie^.u ngu+o+`i trong suo^'t tho+`i gian chu'ng cai tri.
>  Chi'nh bo.n VC dda~ tu+` bo? vi. tri' Da^n to^.c dde^? ma` la`m tay sai
>  cho Co^.ng sa?n quo^'c te^' khie^'n gio+` dda^y dda^'t nu+o+'c ddie^u  
>  ta`n,da^n to^.c ddo'i kho^?. Chi'nh bo.n VC dda~ tu+. ta.o ra a^n oa'n
>  vo+'i da^n chu'ng VN  khi chu'ng tha<?ng tay dda`n a'p da^n chu'ng,tu+.
>  ddo^.ng ddu+'ng ra ngoa`i vo`ng sinh lo^. cu?a da^n to^.c        
> 
>    Cho Ne^n Khi No'i HOA` HO.P HO`A GIA?I thi` la`m o+n no'i cho no'
> ro~ ra`ng minh ba.ch la` :
> 
>  1) Trong bao na<m qua, bo.n la~nh dda.o VC dda~ ddoa. dda^`y va`
>  ga^y bao tang to'c cho ca? 1 da^n to^.c. Va^.y chi'nh nhu+~ng
>  ngu+o+`i VC na`y pha?i la`m hoa` vo+'i ca? 1 da^n to^.c VN. Muo^'n
>  thu+.c hie^.n vie^.c la`m hoa` na`y, VC pha?i cho da^n chu'ng ddu+o+.c
>  hu+o+?ng Tu+. Do, Da^n Chu? thu+.c su+. Ngoa`i ra kho^ng co' ba^'t cu+'
>  su+. thu` ha<`n giu+~a ca'c ta^`ng lo+'p da^n chu'ng VN . Vi` ta^'t ca?
>  mo.i da^n chu'ng cu~ng dde^`u bi. ddoa. dda`y , a'p bu+'c.Do ddo' kho^ng
>  co' chuye^.n HHHG giu+~a ngu+O+`i ha?i ngoa.i vo+'i ngu+o=`i trong nu+O+'c
>  vi` ca? 2 dde^`u kho^ng co' thu` oa'n.Kho^ng co' chuye^.n HHHG giu+~a
> to^n gia'o na`y hay to^n gia'o kha'c vo+'i toa`n the^? da^n to^.c VN.
> 
> 
> 2) Pha?i ddu+a ra nhu+~ng ca'ch thu+'c thu+.c hie^.n HHHG chu+' kho^ng
>   the^? no'i kho+i kho+i vi` no'i nhu+ va^.y se~ la`m lo+.i cho VC
>  khie^'n chu'ng mua ddu+o+.c the^m tho+`i gian , cu?ng co^' la.i lu+.c
>  lu+o+.ng, co' the^m ke^' hoa.ch mo+'i dde^? tie^'t tu.c dda`n a'p da^n.
>
> 3) Pha?i ye^u ca^`u VC cho+i theo ddu'ng lua^.t Da^n Chu? chu+' ddu+`ng
>   co' cho+i theo Lua^.t Ru+`ng ma` chu'ng Dda~ & Ddang xu+? du.ng nu+~a.
> 
> 4) Pha?i co' 1 lu+.c lu+o+.ng na`o ddo' la`m trung gian cho chuye^.n HHHG
>  na`y dde^? khi 1 phi'a na`o ddo' cho+i tro` gian la^.n hay lua^.t ru+`ng
>  thi` se~ bi. tru+`ng tri. ( ba<`ng ba^'t cu+' hi`nh thu+'c qua^n su+.,
>  kinh te^' etc.. Gio^'ng nhu+ quo^'c te^' hie^.n ddang a'p lu+.c le^n
>  bo.n Khmer Ddo? o+? Campuchia hay Irag va^.y ))
> 
>   Ne^'u nhu+~ng ddie^`u tre^n ddu+O+.c thu+.c hie^.n dda`ng hoa`ng va`
>  ddu+O+.c ba?o dda?m thi` to^i nghi~, cha<?ng ai che^, cho^'ng hay
>  de` bi?u ca'i chu+~ Ho`a Ho+.p Hoa` Gia?i . Ma` mo.i ngu+O+`i co`n 
>  u?ng ho^. va` hoan nghe^nh nu+~a la` kha'c.
> 
>  
>  Gooday!
> 
> nguyend
> 
> 
> 
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