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From: smmyers@pbhyg.pacbell.com (Sean M. Myers)
Subject: Re: Color Blindness and Blood Trails
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:44:01 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct14.093555.1918@doug.cae.wisc.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
> 
>This past weekend, I was lucky enough to shoot my first deer with
>my bow (the complete story is on a post coming soon to a newsreader
>near you).  It was a good shot with the arrow going through the
>heart and having a good exit wound.
> 
>My problem is that I'm color blind.  I knew exactly where the deer
>was when I hit her, and yet still couldn't see the blood trail until
>the guy I was with showed it to me (and it was a *very* good trail -
>almost a constant line at least 2" wide).
> 
>My question is:  is there anything I can do to help me see that color
>better?  Someone suggested that I wear amber shooters glasses when
>I'm tracking, but I think that would make it even worse.  What is
>the net.wisdom here?
> 
     Chris,

          There is a product out on the market that enables color blind
hunters and even hunters who aren't color blind to pick a a blood trail even
where there isn't that much blood.  I don't have the name of it right now, but
I can go home and find the bottle I have and post it tomorrow. 

          Anyway, here's what it does.  When you locate the spot that you
think you shot the deer (or any other animal) spray the liquid (it comes in
a pump bottle kind of like hair spray) and when it contacts any amount of
blood, it puffs up and turns flourescent yellow.  For the hunter who is color
blind, you get sort of a 3D effect, as well as a color/shade change.  For the
hunter who isn't color blind, you get a flourescent yellow trail that you
can't miss.  One bottle has lasted me for the past 5 years, and I still have
a good third of it left, of course I don't always use it.



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From: doug@premise.Prime.COM (Doug Fosdick)
Subject: odds and ends
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:45:45 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In response to several articles:

>	You must be awfully quick with the finger me as I don't even notice
>"POW-clunk-thud-rattle". The Browning Auto's I've shot would fire as
>fast as the trigger was pulled.

Charlie Sorsby replies correctly (as always):

>I, too, find the "POW-clunk-thud-rattle" distracting, even
>annoying.

Some of us prefer the lack of cycling noise/movement that semi-autos
produce. I have shot extensively Remington, Benelli, and Beretta
semi-auto guns. They all work fine, but my trap gun is an over-under
and my field guns are both side-by-sides.

--------

In response Travis Clements' inquiry:

>As we talked, he puled out his gun, a Rem. .280.  That is a
>cal. I have heard very little about.  In fact I only know one other
>person who owns one.  This, he tells me, is his "Big Gun".  I was a
>bit surprised.  Seems he isn't partial to the high recoil found in
>larger guns. "Oh?" I said. *raised eyebrows* I then proceded to pry as
>to how his hunt went.  No luck with the Moose, but he did bring home a
>Caribu.  Even with a well placed shot with a Nosler Partition load, he
>said that the Caribu wouldn't go down or die.  He attributed this to
>the "Hardiness of the animal".  I have to ask, "Was it?"  Please, if
>you have any comments, I'd love to hear them.  Seeings how little I
>know about the .280 or Caribu, I have had a hard time deciding which
>is the case.

I haven't personally used a .280. But I know people who do. It 
is an excellent caliber. Roughly between a .270 and 30-06 in trajectory,
energy, and available bullet weights. It should have been very adequate 
for a caribou. The hunter must have either made a bad shot placement or 
used the wrong bullet. It is not the best caliber for Moose, especially 
in Alaska where the moose can get to be very big. But an acquaintance 
used one last year in CO. to harvest a bull elk. It is basically similar 
to the 7mm Mag (same bullets), but at lower velocity/energy.	

-------

And again Charlie is right (if I understand his implication):

>Are you saying that you shoot them on the ground?
>
>That those of use who don't have an "elititist attitude"?


Doug


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From: pfeiffer@NMSU.Edu ()
Subject: O/U vs Semi-Auto for hunting birds.
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:14:42 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

johanneg@cs.rpi.edu (Gummi Johannesson) writes:

   I am interested in knowing what type of shotguns hunters would prefer
   to use when hunting birds (e.g. goose).

   The types that I have in mind are:
	  - Over/Under (e.g. Browning Citory)
	 OR
	  - Semi-Automatic (e.g. Remington 11-87)

Well, my experience is with doves, not geese, but...  I have a Beretta
O/U, and once fired a Browning auto.  I like the Beretta much, much
better.  The basic difference is that my gun just shoots, and I can
immediately take a second shot; the Browning seemed to go
POW-clunk-thud-rattle as it fired and then ejected the shell.  Took a
whole lot longer!  I suspect that as a practical matter I could get
used to it, and I'm sure I could get off a second shot just as fast as
I can with my Beretta, but it drove me crazy that day.  And, of
course, an auto gives you three shots instead of two.

-Joe.
From: jdavis@bordeaux.kpno.noao.edu (Jim Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Story: choose the proper weapon for the job
Keywords: elephant, HE, m203
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:01:42 GMT
Organization: Thomas Tupper Jr. High
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct7.094316.2715@doug.cae.wisc.edu> fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) writes:
[... stuff about small arms.  Really small arms. ]

I have it on good authority, from someone who flew close air support
in SE Asia, that a 5.25" AIR-TO-GROUND ROCKET makes an excellent
elephant round.

-- 
Jim Davis               | "Revenge!"
jdavis@noao.edu         |   -- Pete's brother Pete
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From: mb2i+@andrew.cmu.edu ("Marvin H. Blachman")
Subject: Noisy Safety Switch
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:45:55 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I recently bought a Remington 870 to use for deer hunting. I really like
the gun except the safety makes a "relatively" loud click when I release
it. Is there anything I can do to quiet it down? Will lubrication on the
switch itself help? Is there any effective way to muffle the sound
(maybe with my palm - although I'm accustomed to not releasing the
safety until I'm actually lining up my shot so I don't really have a
free palm)? Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

Marvin


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From: andersen!seanc@saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (Sean Cunningham)
Subject: Hunting/Gun Regulations
Organization: Andersen Consulting
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:16:20 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I'm new to the Chicago area and I'm trying to find out
what the local Hunting & Gun Laws are.  I own a few
shotguns and rifles (no pistols); Do I need to register
them with the Police Department?  Where is some public
bird hunting grounds?  Is it necessary to join a hunting
club?  If so what are some names in the local Chicago
area?

Thanks in advance.

Sean Cunningham
From: fleck@cs.itc.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Shooting Techniques??
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:46:49 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

ras@fred.niaid.pc.niaid.nih.gov (Randy Stevens) writes:
>      Also, for all you Colorado Elk and Mule Deer hunters...please
> keep me/us posted on your success and sightings during the first and
> second rifle seasons.  I am especially interested in UNIT 211.  I'll
> be headed for Big Sky country on Oct. 28th to hunt the third combined
> ELK/DEER season.  This is my first trip out West.

We do not hunt that area but we will  post our  successes  once we get
back!  (we  leave  tommorrow!!!  FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)  Not  to  be
picky but I believe Montana is the Big Sky country...

>     I will be sure to let everyone know how my hunt turns out!!!!!!!!

Good!

Dave...


PS. Good luck!
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From: hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank Roberts)
Subject: Re: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:05:25 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In <1992Oct7.094439.2967@doug.cae.wisc.edu> biocca@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Alan K Biocca) writes:

>In article <1992Oct5.075541.9812@doug.cae.wisc.edu> keith@clodii.columbiasc.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd) writes:
>[Moderator's note: Keith did not write the following]
>...
>>>1)  I'd like some source of signs on heavy enough metal that bullets
>>>won't go right through it
>...

>I have often wondered if signs constructed of a rubber material wouldn't be
>more appropriate than metal.  The holes close right in, and shotgun pellets
>might even bounce back..

>Alan K Biocca


Actually I wrote the question misattributed to Keith Boyd, and
thank you Alan Biocca for the response.  Someone earlier suggested
old tires.

What I'm after here is to be able to put up a sign outside of the
campground area, without the eventual certainty that someone will
shoot right through the sign into the campground area -- so tires
won't do (they have this large hole in the middle).

I could perhaps mount the signs on large heavy boxes of dirt (sigh).


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From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Subject: Re: Color Blindness and Blood Trails
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:44:24 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I've heard that sparying so hydrogen-peroxide from a squirt bottle
helps. It foams when it contacts the blood.

				mike


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From: dans@Solbourne.COM (Dan Scott)
Subject: Re: "Horsing" geese
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:43:51 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct6.084223.28074@doug.cae.wisc.edu> walt@diusys.cms.udel.edu (Walt Dabell) writes:
>
>Here in Delaware it is illegal to disturb waterfoul while they are
>feeding or roosting (floating around in the water). I thought it was a
>federal law.
>
>In either case, it doesn't sound very sporting to me.
>         __________________________________________________________
>         Walt Dabell  KD3GS (302)645-4225  walt@diusys.cms.udel.edu  
>                  U of Delaware / College of Marine Studies
>                      700 Pilottown Rd. Lewes, DE 19958

	If they shot the geese while on the ground, I would agree. If
they did a stalk and surprised the geese and shot them when they
flushed, then it seems ok.  When the ducks aren't flying, I've done
some jump-shooting which takes more effort than just sitting in a
blind waiting for them to come to you. It is illegal to hunt waterfowl
>from a moving boat here in Colorado, but the regs say nothing about
stalking.

	I've seen a blind advertised for sale in the Herter's catalog
that is the size, shape and color of an Angus cow/steer/bull. It is
hard to tell the sex when the belly is cut out so hunters can stand
inside. Two hunters would make an eight legged bull!


					Dan Scott
					Solbourne Computer, Inc.

Disclaimer: I'm not in a position to know Solbournes opinions...yet.
From: linan%argon.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Mike Linan)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: 30-30 wanted !!
Keywords: rifle wanted
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:02:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct7.094520.3090@doug.cae.wisc.edu> keith@clodii.columbiasc.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.084458.28575@doug.cae.wisc.edu> mikego@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Gerald Goodwin) writes:

>>	Yes I'm looking for a rifle for my 16 yr old son.  I would like to 
>>	buy a side eject 30-30 either Winchester or Marlin.
>>	I am willing to pay $75.00.

>Unless I am mistaken, the Winchester is top eject. Right?   Most of the
>used 30-30's I see go for around $150 without scope. (Add about $40 if   
>it has a scope).  You probably want a Marlin, but I honestly don't  
>think you will find a used one for a mere $75 dollars.

The newer (last 5 years?) Wincherster 94s have an angle eject that
allows a scope to be mounted on top.  Prior to that they had to have
some elaborate semi-side mount for the scope because the top of the
receiver moved to eject the round.  I too doubt Mike will find many,
if any Winchesters or Marlins for this low price.  But, good luck!


>>	please call mike @ w 503-627-6624    

>>	Thanks!!
   
 
>Sorry, I don't own one. I shoot with .270cal.


I've since "retired" my model 94 to use only in dense brush in favor
of the .270 Win.  Fine round and the Remington is a fine weapon.


>Keith


Mike Linan
From: fleck@cs.itc.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Answer and Questions
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:45:05 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

tom@HAN.Paramax.COM (Tom Jewell) writes:
> Firstly, Maryland does prohibit hunting on Sundays.
> Persumeably, this is to keep the outdoors "safe"
> for hikers (et al) one day of the weekend.
> 
> Now for a question. I only started hunting last
> deer season and everything I know I read from a
> book or this newsgroup. I hunt in the forested
> Appalachian mountains in western Maryland.
> 
> How do I figure out where the deer are bedding, eating, etc. ?
> Where should I look?

One thing you can start with is clear cuts.  Deer have a tendancy to
bed down in the cuts as well as feed near them.  Also find some water
sources and look for tracks, and then follow the tracks (make sure you
note direction and reference points so you don't get turned around).

Good Luck!

Dave
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From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland)
Subject: Re: "Horsing" geese
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:43:41 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

>Here in Delaware it is illegal to disturb waterfoul while they
>are feeding or roosting (floating around in the water). I thought
>it was a federal law.

>In either case, it doesn't sound very sporting to me.

Well, it actually occured in a field and it's perfectly legal in
Canada. Not being able to shoot waterfowl when they're "floating
around in the water" sounds like one tough law. That would
eliminate 80% of the waterfowl hunting around here.



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From: kellyb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu
Subject: Connecticut hunters?
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:15:03 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Are there any Connecticut hunters reading this,I'm interested in
waterfowl but would like to hear from anyone doing any kind of
hunting.Yes it's a small state but it's a big net.

                                  Brendan Kelly


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From: mja@philabs.philips.com (Michael Amato)
Subject: Re: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:42:51 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article <1992Oct6.084406.28408@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, rewald@stsci.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Oct5.075602.9881@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
|>  <other quote deleted>
|> > I believe that there are still states that prohibit Sunday hunting
|> > but I don't know if Maryland is one of them.  While it seems wierd
|> > on the surface, if you understand the background, it becomes less
|> > unbelievable, if not less wierd.
|> > 
|> > Such restrictions are a carry-over from the old "Blue Laws."  How
|> > many of you remember that, with certain exceptions, at one time
|> > in some jurisdictions, stores, were required to close on Sundays?
|> > 


Well I'm not sure about other states, but in NY parts of the state
have Sunday hunting and parts do not - so I would imagine blue laws
have nothing to do with it here. I was always under the impression that
no Sunday hunting (Western half NY) was to give farmers a chance to get 
out into the fields. The parts of NY that Sunday hunting is allowed tend
to be the more mountainous/remote regions (Adirondacs & Catskills), 
although there is a fair amount of farm land and population in the eastern
(Sunday hunt) part of the state also. I grew up in Western NY and that's still
where I do most of my big game hunting, but driving 5 hrs to hunt only
on Saturday (I can only afford to take off opening week) is not 
practical. I think the real reason for the no Sunday hunt in the
Western part of NY may be to control the harvest, but this does not always
jive with DEC annual harvest reports (many areas have less than desired
harvest).

Anyone know the real reason (at least for NY)?
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From: smithm@ecn.purdue.edu (Matthew Jacob Smith)
Subject: Ohio trip report
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:46:08 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


	Well after having to miss opening weekend, I was finally able
to get out during the regular archery season. I tried to make the most
out of it by being in the woods every possible minute. I was able to
get out from friday evening to tuesday evening, due to Purdue's
October break.  Well I couldn't have asked for nicer weather. It was
generally clear and cool with a light breeze. Unfortunately the deer
didn't cooperate. I have an either sex deer tag and an antlerless tag
this year. However I'm holding out for at least a borderline P & Y
buck with my either sex tag. I saw 11 does and passed up 6 of them.
I've decided to save my antlerless permit until winter break, in case
I get lucky with my buck tag. I need an excuse to keep going into the
woods. :-) I can't believe I didn't see a single buck. Last year I saw
3 bucks during October break. I think that the deer were hitting the
acorns pretty hard, and were'nt in the brushy areas I generally hunt.

The good news however is that the deer are really starting to rub.
Three of the areas I hunt had rubs of at least 3" in diameter. The
best news came from a friends parents. The area is really suburban,
and the deer come right up into peoples yards. The best place I have
now is only 5 acres. (I have yet not to see deer in ~10 hunts there).
Their property has a bottleneck that allows me to get a shot at
probably 90% of the deer that travel through the surrounding 40 acres.
Also none of the other 8 landowners of those 40 acres allow anyone to
hunt. I've talked to all of them, and only one is anti hunting, but
the others said they just don't want any hassle, though several said
they are fed up with all the @$#%# deer eating their gardens or
shrubs. Well my friends parents said that they saw 5 deer in their
backyard on the 6th. Two were bucks, an 8 and 10 ptr. My friends dad
said that the 10 is the second biggest buck he's ever seen back there
and probaly has a 20" spread.  From the looks of the rubs in their
yard I don't doubt it. One was on a 5" D maple tree!

Well hopefully I can get back this weekend in time for the cold front
coming through friday. The deer always seem to hole up back there
during and right after a storm. On a side note due to no gun hunting
their are more grey squirrels than you can shake a stick at. I watched
two cats on tuesday and I could keep track of where they were from the
squirrel's incesent barkin at them. I was tempted to dispatch them, (I
hate cats) but one had a collar, and in the suburban area it would
definatly make me unpopular with 1/2 of the neighbors. ( though
popular with the other half who don't like their neighbors kitties) I
figure doing nothing is the best thing, especially since I'll probably
get permission to hunt on two of the properties who's owners enjoy
their gardens and cats more than the deer.
			Well good luck and keep those trip reports coming
						Matt Smith
BTW I'll post the results to the magazine poll next week.
.



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From: patvh@vice.ico.tek.com (Patrick Vanhoomissen)
Subject: Re: Shooting Techniques?? >> Trip Reports
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:16:30 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article <1992Oct7.094650.3195@doug.cae.wisc.edu> fleck@cs.itc.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
>ras@fred.niaid.pc.niaid.nih.gov (Randy Stevens) writes:
>
>>     I will be sure to let everyone know how my hunt turns out!!!!!!!!
>
>Good!
>

Since I think trip reports are the best posts, I'll give mine...

...somewhere in Eastern Oregon

	Jeff and John didn't draw tags this time around, but elected
to go along for fun, and to help out. They formed Draggers Inc. - 
their motto - you tag 'em, we'll drag 'em. $5 a bench. What a deal!
Opening morning Joe got things going with a nice 4x4 that hung #140.
I was next. I spotted him at probably 800 yards, and got within 500
and plopped down on my ass. At 9x was he still tiny and the cover was
non-existent. I had to make a move, so I started a fast walk right at
him. At maybe 350, I was araid he'd bolt soon, and plopped down again.
When I found him in the scope again, he was looking right at me. I
had a knee rest, but the wiggle was about from shoulder to shoulder.
I was well rested though, and when he finally turned sideways, the
bowser surprised me when it went off (that's good). He had a nice 3
on one side, but must've took a header when he was in velvet, because
the other side was busted off, and as a result the eye guard was 
several inches long, and a tine had started growing out the back.
(rosebush). Curt shot a 3x4 an hour or so later, and that was all
for the morning. We spend the day dragging, skinning and drinking,
while the other 5 kept hunting. Not until later afternoon did John2
show up. He was spent, and mumbling that he couldn't drag another
foot. After some chow and beer, he led us back up to a palmated 2x4
and Dragger's Inc. (which I had now joined) made a 4 man sled team -
3 guys in bowlines, with one steering by the rack, and we easily had
that buck back in camp before dark. Denney had a forkedhorn hanging
on our return, so we celebrated a 5 for 8 day - not too bad. Roy got
his the next day, but the deer were getting smaller. The score ended
up 6 for 8. We found a few arrowheads, a couple rattlers, lots of
jackrabbits and coyotes, drank a lot of beer and had a dandy time. 
5 of us drew bull tags and hope we can do half as well next month...



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