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Subject: Re: Fwd: Good Things in Malaysia
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:38:40 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr10.003716.24547@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>	Sure, football binds us together.  As long as Malaysia does not
>have to play PRC...

Why would we want to cheer PRC, there are Chinese players in the
Malaysian team.  If the team is selected on a racial basis, I 
would boo them, but fortunately sports in Malaysia has not acquired
the racist nature of our govt. policies.

>	Call it what you want, but I have seen too many cases of
>Malaysian Chinese supporting the PRC team in sports.  This phenomenon
>is extremely clear in badminton, and you only have to go to Stadium
>Negara while Malaysia is playing PRC to see this show of disloyalty!!
>
>	Remember, the 1988 Thomas Cup final between Malaysia and
>China.  I was there at the Stadium Negara and half of the stadium was
>cheering for the PRC team.

This is another lie from Zam.  As far as I remember the Malaysian team
was cheered to the end, even when the croud knew that even if we won 
the match, we cannot win the cup.  The only time I have seen Malaysians 
cheer for PRC is when Indonwsia play PRC.  I would agree if most Chinese 
do not like the Indonesian govt.

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From: ong@ready.eng.ready.com (David Ong)
Subject: Re: NS and reservist
Organization: Ready Systems
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 21:02:17 GMT

Funny that for almost 6 years, I have yet been called for reservist.
A couple of times I did wrote to them requesting for reservist training.
I said that I am very interested to go back to S'pore to serve my country in
reservist. No reply, no acknowledgement whatsoever.


Perhaps, they felt that it is quite cumbersome to get overseas S'porean back to
do reservist. Perhaps they have forgoten about us?

Anyone had similiar experience?


DAVID
the usual disclaimer


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: an512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Lee)
Subject: Re: Diablo...
Reply-To: an512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Lee)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 06:17:50 GMT


In a previous article, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) says:

>>1) An unfaithful little bastard whose allegiance is with the PRC.

No..No..PANGLIMA POTONG TELOR...the secret is to rile this dude up so that 
he has to resort to expletives to make his point. Which makes him look 
even sillier, by the way. Obviously you can see that he is a very angry 
person now, can't you?? When you've reached this point, you know you've
accomplished your goals.

BTW, ZAM...Chairman Mao didn't have to ride his bicycle IN HIS OWN
BACKYARD. Can you say the same for your Sultan and his Diablo???


>>2) A guy who can't speak BM without that stooopid Chinese accent.	

At least this stooopid Chinese didn't have to APOLOGIZE in the net for
saying...err..."LEARN THE FUCKING LANGUAGE". For y'all newcomers,
Zam had to do so after taking heat for cursing the Bahasa MALAYSIA.
Sorry Zam, I have this tendency to bring up old discussions into the net.
My weakness.


>>3) A guy who makes "la" an art form.

MajuLA(h) Malaysia. Now I'm insulted!! ;)


>>4) A possible PKM recruit.

Nope...can't be. I don't play cricket. So how can Pasukan Kriket Malaysia
call me up for trials???


-Bruce "Don't get mad-laaaaa" Lee
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From: chong@juliet.caltech.edu (Chong, Francis F. S.)
Subject: Re: Tsk Tsk Zam !
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:56:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.074913.379@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au>, cylee@pieman (Chang Yong Lee) writes...
	(expletive expunged)
> 
>You're not qualify to be a true Malaysian !
> 

	And you, of course, are very good for the image of Malaysia when
you use expletives. Please desist.

Francis Chong
Caltech
From: v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (---roach---)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: NS
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:07:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.1992Apr11.200823.28896
Organization: ---Roach Motel---
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9204101622.AA02198@dadd.ti.com>, francis@dadd.ti.com (Francis Ngoh) writes...

>Despite all the punishments, I think overall, the NS had been good to me. I've
>gone from a 97 pounds weakling to a 126 pounds weakling in 2 years 8) and I
>don't think everything in life is as bad as it appears to be. 

francis, you're such a moron! punishment can't be good for you.
what you got is called negative rewards -- ie: you think army ultimately
did you good.  The word punishment is negative.

>I think reservists should have more rewards than non-reservists to compensate
>them for their time. I think kids should have more outdoor activites
>e.g. scouting, sports etc. to prepare them for NS.  I think leaving Singapore
>to avoid reservist training is like bringing your family along with you to 
>rest-rooms when you want to take farts and "Roach" is a cowardly, bull-shitting
>back-stabber who hides behind anonymity to take tendentious potshots.
> 
you wimp!  you think this, that, this, that, and yet you
admit you have not done re-service.  you, my friend ,working
in the us is the lowest life a singaporean can have.  coming here
to escape using education as a reason.  at least other opinions
i have read seem fair because they are honest.
i don't hide behind anonymity.  i don't have my name up because
i noticed that responses to my comments are more gentle and
untruthful when i post with my american name.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist ? NOT!
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 17 Apr 92 22:22:29 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr17.053050.21172@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja) writes:

>>>Anybody who against their government in ANY country might be trial in
>>>court and if found guilty WILL be executed.
>
>>Not true.  FYI, a number of countries, the death penalty is banned.
>>Also, in most Western democratic countries, it is an acceptable
>>practice to criticise and oppose the govt.  Afterall, that is 
>>what a democratic country is supposed to have.
>
>Not true??? Do you mean "executed" = "death penalty" ??

Give him a fact and he answers with a question, sigh....  Of course, 
execution is the death penalty.  What do you think it is?

>Are you saying there is no democracy in Indonesia?

Personally, I don't care whether democracy exists in Indonesia.  I
am just voicing my disapproval for the human rights violations there.

>Gimmeeee a breakkkkk. We (Indonesian) don't need your suggestion!
>   That's why I told you to shut up.

I don't even care if *YOU* don't want any of my suggestion.  Just
don't bully your neighbour (East Timor).  Who knows, today, it is
Timor, tomorrow, it may be Singapore or Malaysia.

>>If you don't want to see any of my posting, press
>>the kill button.  I will not shut up when human rights are being 
>>abused, whether it is in Malaysia, Indonesia or anywhere else
>>in the world.
>
>Do you think I want to see your posting? Haahhh too good for you.
>If I'm the only one who don't want to read your bullshit then I
>will put the kill command. Unfortunately for you! Too many Indo-
>nesian don't want to see your posting and don't want to reply to
>your posting. 

Let me hear it from them.  Silence implies agreement.  Also, I don't
care whether you or anyone else don't like to see my postings.  I 
have access rights to Net News and just too bad you people have to
read it.  You lot are not the only ones reading this newsgroup.

>Heheehhehe. You're under arrest :-) You will be sent to a jail house
>or to a slaughter house soon. Good bye. .....Hehehehehe.

Yep, typical attitute of the Indon govt's policies.  Jail them, 
or shoot them, and then laugh at them.  Is this what you want to
export Zam?  No wonder some Indonesians were banned from the
SEASIA-L list.

Anyway, there is not much point in pursuing this arguement.  Its
turning into more of "I don't agree with you so shut up" than 
intelligent discussion.  What a waste of grey and white matter.

The oppressed will always fight the oppressor.
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Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:52:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.124413.4654@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.172243.12148@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>>>It has happened before.  The Indonesian govt, killed many Chinese and
>>>force the rest to forget their culture.  They are doing exactly the
>>>same thing now - GENOCIDE.  I hope the world can start to place 
>>>economic santions against Indonesia and force her to quit East Timor.
>>
>>	It works, does not it?  The Chinese in Indonesia have
>>assimilated into the society and could hardly be differentiated from
>>the natives.  If it once worked, the might as well export the style to
>>some other places...
>
>Yep, this chap is definately a NAZI, condoning genocide.

	Could you give any documentation of a genocide committed by
the Indonesian government?  I have not come across any of this
allegation before, so it is a news item to me.  The so called
"cultural genocide" does not count.

>>>The Oppressed will always fight the oppressors.
>>
>>	Yea, but it does not mean they will win...  They can fight for
>>eternity and yet not have anything to show for it at the end.
>
>Oh, we are winning.  We are winning in South Africa, NZ, Australia, 
>maybe even the States,... and one day Malaysia.

	I will reserve my judgment on South Afrika until I see a Black
as the head of state in that country.
	
	WRT Australia and New Zealand, all I have to say is: "it is
about time".

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
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From: ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh)
Subject: Re: Laksa ??? Come to big brother, Eme...
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:02:15 GMT

AKT4423@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU (ATAN, PANGLIMA LAKSA PENANG) writes:


B
>bunga kantan, fresh chillies and onions. Ladle boiling gravy over this and
>top with 8.5 scoops of HEIKO - prawn paste for every bowl.
>         ^^
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
????????????
Hei Brother! 
              Hang betui ni?  Lapan setengah skop?!!!!!
Tak mabuk pun tengah mati ni!!!!

B
>p.s. No glentee if mabuk heiko, ya?
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
       That's for sure!!!!!!

:-)

>-Penang Goo
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
From Sarawak Ong (figure that out yourself !!!)
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: roach's plea for Zam
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 20:06:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.185437.22502@news.iastate.edu> tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:

>Sounds more like you are a conformist rather than someone who is trying to 
>make a difference. Again, facing reality is one thing, giving in to racism is
>another. what is your cause? that we all lay back and die since there is
>nothing we can do about it?


	It is a sad world when the definition of a racist is someone
who happens to disagree with your opinion.  If that is your definition
of a racist, then I am guilty as charge.

	Could someone tell me why am I a racist?  Because I like to
tell the truth?  

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist ? NOT!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:54:12 GMT

chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:

>In article <1992Apr15.180827.24427@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja) writes:

>>>Yeah right, a migration from the streets to the jail and slaughter houses.
>>
>>Hahhhh. Can you name any jail or slaughter houses in east timor?
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Yep, you are probably right.  There are no jails or slaughter houses.
>The army just shoots people in the streets, remember last November?

Prove it!. Where did you find "rumors" tellling Indonesian army shoots
people in the streets. You need to know that there were 2 generals sacked 
for their responsibility in the November 12 accident.

>>I remember read an article from an Indonesian Newspaper a while back that
>>there are some east timorese migrate to west timor!.

>Govt. propaganda at the least.  I haven't seen a "free" newspaper in
>Indonesia before.

I haven't seen any "free" newspaper either. Is there any in Malaysia?
For sure there is no free newspaper in Indonesia ever (as I remember).

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>Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
>Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
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Darmawan
dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zlim@bnr.ca (Zack Lim)
Subject: Re: Singapore National Service
Reply-To: zlim@bnr.ca (Zack Lim)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 15:54:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.014622.13973@nuscc.nus.sg>, elejaya@nuscc.nus.sg (Jayasooriah) writes:
|> 
|> I am sorry you havent been able to learn anything useful from your
|> reservist training.

You don't have to feel sorry for me.  It's just bad luck for me I guess.
|> 
|> 
|> Even if we accept for the moment that there is some teeney weeney bit of
|> truth to your allegations, you are making a gross generalisation based
|> on one instance, arent you?
|> 
Yes, I agree.  My apology for that.  Well, I was too carried away.  You
know what I mean, when you get your chance to express your frustration, you
just flush it out.  That's what I am doing.  

|> 
|> There are many people (such as yourself) who think they should be put in
|> places where your "skills" can be made use off.  Have you considered the
|> possiblity that the army has more than enought people with your "skill"
|> that only the best get to serve in that field of their choice?
|> 
Yes, I guess I am not good enough to be chosen to serve.  It's no use staying
in a country where you are branded as NO GOOD.

|> : Reservist sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Enough said.
|> 
|> I am sorry you havent been able to make yourself more useful than as an
|> office boy!
|> 
What are you trying to imply here?  

|> Jaya
|> 
|> -- 
|> Jayasooriah PhD,    EE Dept, NUS | Sign on the  grounds of a private school: 
|> 10 Kent Ridge Cr, Singapore 0511 |                                           
|> Tel/Fax: +65 772-2295 / 772-1103 |       "No trespassing without permission."
|> Internet:   elejaya@nuscc.nus.sg |                                           

Zack.
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Subject: Re: A paradox?
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:48:23 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr10.032908.8818@news.iastate.edu> tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:

>I wonder what would the Jews think of Mr Zam? I hope that you are not condoning
>to what Hitler did....but boy, you sure sound as if you do.....
>
>What might we have here? Another Hitler perhaps?
>
>>
>>===------ 
>>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 (maybe a Nazi)
  N  A ZI

May be he is.

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From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist ? NOT!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:48:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.150615.4695@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.191854.24657@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja) writes:
>
>>>A teaser : The population of East Timor in 1975 was 688,000. Today,
>>>it is 450,000. Where do you think the rest of them went? And no,
>>>the answer is NOT migration. Think guns, torture and detention.
>>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>How do you know there is NOT a migration???????
>
>Yeah right, a migration from the streets to the jail and slaughter houses.


From "In These Times", Dec. 18-24, 1991. p. 2

	Since Indonesia invaded East Tumor in 1975 -- declaring the
territory its 27th province in 1976 -- the island of 700,000 has lost
200,000 people to war [against Fretilin] and famine.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: chuakh@elaine32.Stanford.EDU (Khenghwa Chua)
Subject: Re: Singapore Babies...
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 22:33:38 GMT

In article <alfred.702428092@honte> alfred@omcron.uleth.ca (James Alfred) writes:
>chuakh@elaine31.Stanford.EDU (Khenghwa Chua) writes:
>
>>I look at some of the 21 year old Americans or students from other
>>countries which do not have mandatory military service and I feel that
>>army gave me a slight edge.  What do others think???
>>KhengHwa
>>--
>
>I believe that the army is a good thing for Singaporeans only.  You think
>you've got an edge over others but in actual fact you don't.  Most North
>Americans are very independent at a young age.  We don't depend on our
>parents to support our education.  Most of us pay our way through school.
>I know that most Singaporeans are dependent on their parents for financial
>support.  I've observed that Singaporeans who come to North America before
>joining the service seem to be very extravagant.  North Americans on the
>other hand are forced to be disciplined in supporting themselves after
>they leave home. Please care to comment.
>
>James.

Well, I guess I was speaking from a Stanford perspective where most of
the Americans come from well-to-do, stable families.  I'm sorry if I
unknowingly allowed my personal bias to creep in.
KhengHwa

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From: jlooi@cs.tcd.ie (Julie Ooi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To create a better Malaysia III
Keywords: Too many intelectuals but...
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:59:55 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Trinity College, Dublin.

In <1992Apr8.195609.22629@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>	What the Royalty does with his/her money is none of our
>business.
Who do you think supports royalty?  The taxpayers.  So, it becomes their
business too.

>===------ 
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From: yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee)
Subject: Re: singaporean's "we" dilemma
Keywords: we
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 23:20:41 GMT

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Status: OR

This letter is from Chris, I think  he meant to send it to the newsgroup.
(---roach---) writes:
>>so my singaporean friends (phd and masters students) started talking
>>about the policies that they agreed/didn't agree with that
>>were imposed on them back home.
>>halfway thru their conversation, a few of us remarked 
>>that they defended singapore's actions with a "we".
>>do they relate to singapore's policies that much although
>>some don't agree with it?
>>they reflected upon our comment (more like in shock).
>>then they realized that they are a product of the state 
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>via propaganda. sigh -- how weak are their minds.
>			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>If Roach think that S'poreans are so much an engineered product of propaganda,
>then let me ask how is it possible that your friends are able to discuss and
>disagree on issues.  YOU, ROACH, ARE HEAPING INSULTS ON THE S'POREAN INTELLECT!

Roach, it seems that you have such bad impressions of S'poreans, why didn't you
voice your opinions to those S'poreans around you...

>The fact that your friends say "we" despite grievances show that S'poreans
>want to and are proud to identify with S'pore, not because they were objects
>of propaganda.  I believe that Roach is not himself a S'porean, maybe not even
>a Chinese, or for that matter, Malay or Indian or in any way connected with
>S'pore.  I urge him therefore, to make a greater effort to understand S'pore
>before heaping unjust criticism on our country and our people.  I ask any of
>you S'poreans out there :  ARE "WE" S'POREANS PROUD OF OUR COUNTRY, despite all
>its limitations and policies?  Let me be the first to answer that :"Yes"

I second to that. Let me add on that we are even proud of the evolution of our 
so-called "Singlish" which may not even sound like proper English, but it
brings the best out of the conversation...and I simply love speaking it!

** Chris **



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