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From: wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: education system
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:46:07 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu

In article <1993Jan22.002341.1385@news.acns.nwu.edu> andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>
>I think everyone will agree with this statement:
>BOTH Korean and American educational system require major changes.

Yes. Absolutely agreed.

> ....
>extracurricular activities available to them, which can be used 
>to aleviate the pressure : numerous clubs, sports, music, theater, 
>etc.etc.....  Thinking about it, pressure from all these
>extra activities can be stressing :)
>Korean kids have pressure from entrance exam, and they have
>so many ways to aleviate its pressure: please help me
>with this....

Not a help, but an attack ( ;-) ).

In Korea, they started the same thing from some time ago.
Since Korean education system doesn't have enough money,
Private Academies (So called "HagWon") became prosperous.
I heard many average kids go to 2 or 3 Academies, and I once read
newspapers which described a kid who went to 5 Acadmies
(Abacus, TaeKwonDo, Piano, Speech, English).

Unfortunately, this suddenly stops after the kid goes to High School.
Then, the Enterance War begins...
Monthly test, (some teachers give weekly test ),
Frequent MoEui KoSa (this will tell them what Univ. they can go), ...etc.

The war is sort of Total Force War (ChongRyeogJeon) for the entire family.
For the poor family, the kid's future is the only hope.
For the wealthy family, it is a disgrace of the family if the kid does not
go to good Univ.

I doubt that just changing suddenly the education system in Korea
would work well.   Such sudden changes have been done many times,
but it have usually failed.
I think that it should be accompanied by step-by-step social change.

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From: surgwons@sal-sun93.usc.edu (Surgwon Sohn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Hello
Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:36:53 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Summary: hello

HKeywords: hello

Hi, I was a ROM since I was in Korea, but changed my mind not to be an outsider
anymore. If you know me personally, feel free to send an email.
I just arrived in L.A. CA ,but I was disapponted about everything except
communication network in a viewpoint of hobby and real-life.

I just post to say hello to everybody. Bye !  

-Sohn, Surgwon (surgwons@usc.edu)
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Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:24:18 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: "Comfort" women
	<1993Jan23.030327.27245@news.acns.nwu.edu>

Mr. JChoi writes:

.

>Get your facts straight Rikya-san, Akutagawa did not win the nobel
>prize. The *only* Japanese author to win that prize was Kawabata Y.

Oh! Sorry. That was written by, Jim Turkey!

Mr. James Choi wrote:(in response to me)


>>* Boycott of Japanese products
> 
>Impractical.  Japanese goods are too good and too necessary to do anything
>about it.  Although I only buy american cars, I also have Nikon cameras.
>You just can't avoid the Japanese products.  You look even more ridiculous
>at the end of the boycott.

This is not as impractical as you think. The boycott of Japanese
products will hit them mothers right where it hurts. When the Japanese
public hears what the reasons for this boycott, it will send shock waves
through Nippon. Don't be naive! I get something out of the deal too. A
better society and the Liberal Democrartic Party out the door! Let's up
the stakes! 

Think about it. Hanguk would be the only nation in history to
sucessfully show Asia that a people can in fact reach back into history
and say in effect
we have some unfinished business to take care of. This is serious stuff!
I don't
mean to capitalize on you my dear freind Mr. Choi but think about a
young beautiful Korean girl forced to give up her virgnity to the dirty
stinking Japanese Imperalists. Forty fifty soilders raping her. We must
pay for this crime against humainty! My honor is at stake! Now, if I
chose to critized you for making the above statement it would be very
scolding. But, at the moment, I am not interested in the application of
disciple. What I am interested in is the
total recognition of justice for these poor girls.(who are women now). I
have began(in idea) the beginnig foundations of a painting in which I
will probably call, "I was the son of a confort woman." Or, "My father
was the son of a comfort women."


I think that one way that a boycott may not be so "embarassing".....
well, I have to go now. But. I'll finish this later.
From: jfe@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Brian Chung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Oh yeah, I forgot...
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:52:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1993Jan26.175236.27851
Organization: The Loyal Taxpayers' Pub

In article <1k3on9INNt3o@menudo.uh.edu> wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin) writes:
>This reminds me of my old times.  When I was in elementary school
>(and early in middle school)  - when Elvis Presely was still alive and
>Nam Jin and Na Hun-Ah were the de facto singers in Korea.
>
>Nam Jin emulated just like Elvis Presely.  He wore the same suit as 
>Elvis did.  He even announced that the suit was given by Elvis
>( I am not sure whether that was true or not).  He emulated Elvis's
>voice, he emualted Elvis's motion.  Even the attendances emulated Elvis's
>fans - "Ahhhk" sounds every two or three measures.
>
>Much later, when Rod Stewart became famous, and his "Young Tirks" 
>(which is still my favorate) Video Music was introduced in TV in Korea
>(there, Rod was using microphone rod extensively - it was amazing motion),
>I saw one famous Korean singer (I forgot his name - he was tall and handsome)
>exactly emulating Rod's motion using microphone rod.
>
>What about for Michael Jackson and Madonna ?
>
>It seems to be that "The Tradition Continues ..."  8-(

	The tradition worsens actually.  Copying one's style is one thing,
copying one's music is another.  The biggest difference is obviously the
latter is protected by law in the US while the former is..a form of
flattery.

>
>( "If you don't fix a bug in a software for a long time, 
>           it becomes a feature of the software."
>  The above is a famous joke in CS.  
>  IMHO, this can be also applied to culture :
>           If you don't fix a bad habit in a culture for a long time,
>              it becomoes a tradition of the culture )
>
>Making tougher laws has not been effective in Korea 
>(maybe, just for a very short term).
>IMHO, the important thing is the degree of enforcement and fairness of 
>application of the law, however mild the law may be, or whoever may
>violate the law, and most importantly, ordinary people's awareness and
>observation of such laws.

	Indeed, the biggest problem is that there is so little regard
to intellectual property in Korea.  Piracy of books, softwares, video
tapes, albums used to be pretty much the standard until about couple of
years ago.  The government had to crack down on the pirates after the
American government put pressure on them.  Educating the general public
about the importance of intellectual property, however, still needs to be
done more, both in terms of quantity and quality.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jeong@terminus.gatech.edu (Byeong-Soo Jeong)
Subject: Position Available
Organization: Georgia Tech College of Computing
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:35:34 GMT


                                KOREA TELECOM
                           Software Research Labs

                      PhDs in Computer Science/Engineering

Korea Telecom, one of the world's  leading  telecommunication  companies  with 
over 60,000 employees, is seeking research scientists  to  join  the  Software 
Research Labs (SOREL) in Seoul, KOREA.  

The objectives of SOREL are two-fold: a) to carry out world-class research  in 
the field of computer science b) to play the role of a technical leader  among 
local and international  institutes and corporations. The  research  focus  of 
SOREL broadly spans  the  following  areas:  System  Software  Technology,  SE 
Technology,   Computer   Communication   Technology,   Development   of   Data 
Communication Services, HCI and SI Technology. 

To fill anticipated 10 positions we  look  for  applicants  who  can  add  our 
research strengths,  particularly  in  the  areas  of  Programming  Languages, 
Compilers, OS, Networks, AI, Databases and Software  Engineering  as  well  as 
Multimedia  Interfaces  and  ASIC(Application  Specific  Integrated   Circuit) 
Design.  All applicants for these positions should have a  Ph.D.  in  computer 
science/ engineering.  Industrial experience is preferred.  

Interested, send  a  resume  with  your  area,  publication  list,  and  brief 
statement of industrial experiences to Dr. Ki Hoon  Baik,  Managing  Director, 
Software Research Labs, Korea Telecom, 17 Umyondong, Seochogu, Seoul,  137-140 
KOREA. 

        Phone: +(822)526-5910 
        Fax: +(822)526-5909 
        Email: khbaik@aistar.kotel.co.kr  

Initial closing date is May 1, 1993.  It will be continued until all positions 
are filled.  Korea Telecom is a government employer.   Korean  citizenship  is 
required.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee)
Subject: Re: Can you really study with 4 hours of sleep?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:36:20 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1993Jan22.004008.1610@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
> ...
>person who went throught this 4-hours-a-day-sleep march to more knowledge.
>

That's it, Jimbo.

That is the way that keeps the south Koreans competitive in this
fierce competition of knowledge.

>This is something I was curious about for some time.
>

Too bad, it's like you have never gone through the south Korean
military training. :)

>James Choi


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From: tyoon@husc8.harvard.edu (Tehshik Yoon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Old Rabbit Song
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:54:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc.tyoon.727721652

rwb@spl1.spl.loral.com (Robert W Bridges) writes:

>When I was in Korea many years ago a little boy taught me a song the was said
>to be the Old Rabbit Song ( excuse the spelling:  San Toky toky ya).  Could someone mail me a copy of the song to the best of your ability so I can sound
>out the song in Korean and then the English translation to the song.  I'm trying
>to teach the song to my kids and they asked for the translation.  I can only remember part of the song and I want them to say the works correctly as they sing it.  They are very excited about what they have learned already.  Thanks in advance.

>Bob

Ahem.  *clears throat*

San tokki, tokki ya,
uh di roo ka nun ya?
GGang chung GGang chung ddee myun suh,
uh di roo ka nun ya?

"Hey, mountain bunny bunny
Where are you going?
While boing boing running
where are you going?"

It sounds less silly in korean.  :)

-Tehshik
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: education system
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:01:57 GMT

In article <1jkmnqINNp1p@menudo.uh.edu> wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin) writes:
>In article <1jkjmtINNc0f@mojo.eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>>
>>	Once I was introduced a guy who had extremely high SAT score
>>	and didn't go to college on that year; instead, he packed and
>>	left his home for hitch-hiking tour (what he claimed cross country).
>>	That was quite a refreshing shock to me and made me look back
>>	what I was doing in my High school years.
>
>There are some exceptions like that also exist in Korea sometimes.
>But what Korea prevents students from doing it is that they should go
>to military if they don't go to college.

Precisely.  That's why I am saying the system in Korea encourage people to
follow the beaten average path.  If you try to be different, chances are,
you will be screwed.

>W. Woody Jin (wjin@cs.uh.edu) Cow Lover.

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: m2choi@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Margaret Haag)
Subject: Comfortable seats on a KAL flight
Keywords: KAL, planes, seating
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:49:11 GMT

Hello.  This is my first posting to this newsgroup.
Boy, was I ever surprised to discover that one like this
even existed !
My parents are living full time in Seoul now and I have
been back and forth from Korea to Canada about 5 times
now.  Each time, I have flown with KAL and taken and
economy seat.  UGH.  Need I say more.  Economy seats at
the height of the busy season ....  
My problem is this.  I am recently married to a wonderful
man whose only fault is that he is one foot taller than me
(6'3").  Also, he doesn't really much like being on planes
for a long period of time.
Would it be worth it to get business or first class seats 
when we both go over together next summer ?  Anyone out
who has tried both options, please let me know if is better
in first class on KAL.  And if it seems to be worth the
extra costs.  Thanks in advance!
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: I met Woncheol Choi
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:46:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YfNQoyK00iV1Q7WX08
	<tc13.727913269@crux1.cit.cornell.edu>
Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Mr.T.H.Brian Chung:

.

>Honor is a very tricky word and you'd be well advised to define its meaning
>precisely before you come up with an argument about one's honor.  To some,
>one's honor may require that that person go and revenge all the wrong
>doings until there is nothing and no one left.  To some, one's honor also
>includes the wisdom of knowing when to stop and forgive.  Personally, I'm
>not going to go and shoot the kneecaps off my Japanese friends until they
>apologize.

It's only tricky for those who don't know what it means and it's spirit!
You give two very good examples that I won't dispute. I have neither of
these feelings. That the great thing I guess about real honor! It's very
individual!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: yongseok@roby.ecn.purdue.edu (Yongseok Park)
Subject: Why cannot login to KIDS and ARA ?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:28:10 GMT

 Hi, I am wondering why I cannot login KIDS or ARA these days ?
 It will be appreciated if anyone lets me know the reason and cure for that.
 Thanks.

 yongseok
From: wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Oh yeah, I forgot...
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:26:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: menudo.1k3on9INNt3o
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu

In article <1993Jan26.033145.10519@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Brian Chung) writes:
>the state of popular music in Korea.  It still sucks.  Seo Tae Ji and the
>Kids really need to stop singing and dressing like NKOTB.  And to all the
>fans of Hyun Jin Young, I have one word:  Malcolm!  X stands for Malcolm, not
>Hyun Jin Young.  What really shocked me was, though, was the amount of
>sampling going on.  These 'singers' were passing off other rappers works
>as their own--one of them even proudly proclaimed that he, Big Daddy Kane and
>DWI started the rap scene. 
> ... and if they don't do the
>same for music, someone's going to make David Bowie-Vanilla Ice suit look
>miniscule.

This reminds me of my old times.  When I was in elementary school
(and early in middle school)  - when Elvis Presely was still alive and
Nam Jin and Na Hun-Ah were the de facto singers in Korea.

Nam Jin emulated just like Elvis Presely.  He wore the same suit as 
Elvis did.  He even announced that the suit was given by Elvis
( I am not sure whether that was true or not).  He emulated Elvis's
voice, he emualted Elvis's motion.  Even the attendances emulated Elvis's
fans - "Ahhhk" sounds every two or three measures.

Much later, when Rod Stewart became famous, and his "Young Tirks" 
(which is still my favorate) Video Music was introduced in TV in Korea
(there, Rod was using microphone rod extensively - it was amazing motion),
I saw one famous Korean singer (I forgot his name - he was tall and handsome)
exactly emulating Rod's motion using microphone rod.

What about for Michael Jackson and Madonna ?

It seems to be that "The Tradition Continues ..."  8-(

( "If you don't fix a bug in a software for a long time, 
           it becomes a feature of the software."
  The above is a famous joke in CS.  
  IMHO, this can be also applied to culture :
           If you don't fix a bad habit in a culture for a long time,
              it becomoes a tradition of the culture )

 
>Just before I left, the government legislated
>a tougher laws for software copyright protection, 

Making tougher laws has not been effective in Korea 
(maybe, just for a very short term).
IMHO, the important thing is the degree of enforcement and fairness of 
application of the law, however mild the law may be, or whoever may
violate the law, and most importantly, ordinary people's awareness and
observation of such laws.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tc13@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (T. H. Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: I met Woncheol Choi
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:07:49 GMT

ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:


>Yes! I'm as serious as a heart attack! Although, you put up a great
>arguement about responsibility, your arguement is ignorant of the
>meaning of Honor. And, maybe the feeling of shame/anger when that Honor
>is stained. I feel that if you were to think in these terms you'll have
>a different perspective!

Honor is a very tricky word and you'd be well advised to define its meaning
precisely before you come up with an argument about one's honor.  To some,
one's honor may require that that person go and revenge all the wrong
doings until there is nothing and no one left.  To some, one's honor also
includes the wisdom of knowing when to stop and forgive.  Personally, I'm
not going to go and shoot the kneecaps off my Japanese friends until they
apologize.

PS-I'm using a brain-dead newsreader, so I'm not sure whether my .sig
made it here.  Even if it didn't, you know who I am.  :)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:42:50 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: "Comfort" women
	<1993Jan20.042916.24373@udel.edu>

Friends,

.  

    Like my friend Andrew Sung Hyun Kim implies, I also think that it
would be ineffective just to write this Ambassadore only. As the
Gentleman pointed out earlier, South Koreans have a terrible time
getting aduqaute response. I think that you are really serious about
this here are some effective devices the may
raise attention in America and Nippon to this subject. 

* Expression with in Arts
* Boycott of Japanese products
* Education
* Documentation of the victims
* Serious leadership from the S. Korean government
* Joint participant from Korean Americans, South Koreans, North Koreans,
Korean             
  Japanese( vice-versa)
* Contact(letter and so forth)

These thing can only be the beginning. Sure it's work! but, ifthe needed
is there than someone is going to have to more then a letter. The S.
Korean government is partly wrong also. I know that they can take better
step toward the psycholoigal solution of the identity of this lovely
nation. Don't think that it is strange for one such as I to do this. I
am convinced that I am human first then I am Japanese. Nationality is
does not come before humanity.

I suggest that each individual examine her/his own heart to see how they feel
and to most effective way to bring about accomplishment to toward that
feeling. 
To bring the benefit of success(or in other words, by any means necessary)!
From: seongkn@cwis.unomaha.edu (seong kun kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korean drama on LA riots
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:59:44 GMT
      I receive your question , unfortunately, I can't understand you
       please, transmit,tell me your question exactly,easily .
      If you do , I am willing to give you much more information
     I look forward to recei
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