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Subject: Re: Vax vs. Electrolux
Reply-To: graeme@drummond.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:18:35 +0000

In article <1993Jan26.122140.16674@schbbs.mot.com> TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler) writes:
> In article <1993Jan23.233445.10623@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
> writes:
> >
> > And remember,
> >
> > Nothing sucks like a VAX.
> >                 __
> 
> I always thought the phrase was
> '*Nothing* sucks like an Electrolux' !!??
> (I saw it a a back issue of I.T.)

I have both and my money goes on the VAX for suction.

Besides, it looks like a cute little orange Dalek!


===Graeme  8-}


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: Good Morning
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:48:07 GMT



      Here, on the pulse of this new day
      You may have the grace to look up and out
      And into your sister's eyes, and into
      Your brother's face, your country
      And say simply
      Very simply
      With hope --
      Good morning.

                -- Maya Angelou, January 20, 1993
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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: military ban legislation upcoming
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 20:22:59 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Bob Donahue writes:
>        According to the paper the morning, it is expected that
>if Clinton is successful in either removing the ban on the military
>or starting a process by which the ban can be removed, that
>legislation will be introduced to Congress which will change the
>existing Executive Order to a legal directive. 
>It is NOT likely that this will be a singular bill!
>Mor elikely it will be added as an AMENDMENT to another bill
>which has congressional support, thereby making it nearly
>impossible to stop it from being passed.  Since there is no

...and this is one of the things that PISS ME OFF MOST about our
legislative process. IMHO, it should not be ALLOWED to attach 
amendments that have NOTHING to do with the core bill -- period.

The military's gay ban has nothing to do with family leave or
medical care, and thus (again IMHO) should damn well not be
attached to either one.

 
() In the carriages of the past you can't go anywhere.
()      -- Maxim Gorky
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Unsafe/safe,Unsafer/safer,Unsafest/safest
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 12:28:12 GMT

Oh la Jojo!

We go Jojo!

Quid pro Jojo?

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
	  S7/9 g++l+(+)y++z++/--(++!!!)o+(+)x+a++uv(++)j+
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren)
Subject: Re: Tips for coming out to friends?
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 25 Jan 93 04:11:05 GMT

In <1993Jan24.175913.23681@bradley.bradley.edu> larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) writes:
>   Lisa,
>    Have you found it strange (read that as funny or disgusting) that when
>    you do come out to friends, their reaction is that you immediately
>    are going to come on to them?  Some of my male friends who are super- 
>    macho types and some who are butt-ugly are sure that they are an 
>    object of my desire.  That's when I tell them "I wouldn't fuck you if
>    you were the last man on earth!"

Actually, what I thought was funny <'cause my friend did mean it as a
joke>, was that I had wondered beforehand, what if she ever asks me if I
find her attractive?  "Cause I don't, not for me...I know a lot of guys who
think she's attractive, but she just isn't my "type" <if I have one>.  When
she said not to hit on her, I was relieved.

--
"Bondage can be fun when you use a lot of rope.  Its better, though,
when you use too much!"  --attrib. Mae West.  

To bi or not to bi...that was a question.  latarra@camelot.bradley.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: military ban legislation upcoming
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:00:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.183352.19650@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> 	According to the paper the morning, it is expected that
> if Clinton is successful in either removing the ban on the military
> or starting a process by which the ban can be removed, that 
> legislation will be introduced to Congress which will change the
> existing Executive Order to a legal directive.

By which I assume you mean a law *requiring* the the military to
discriminate.

> 
> 	It is NOT likely that this will be a singular bill!
> Mor elikely it will be added as an AMENDMENT to another bill
> which has congressional support, thereby making it nearly
> impossible to stop it from being passed.

I hadn't heard about this. in fact, today (or possibly yesterday) is
the first I heard about opposition in Congress -- what's been going on
here? Seems like *somebody* has been sandbagged.

Anyway, what I got from the paper this morning was that House Speaker
Foley was solidly with the President on this one, but that Aspin was
predicting that the Senate would be 70-30 against (which I found quite
shocking; still naive after all these years). Of course, Aspin could
be exaggerating for reasons of his own.

So, it might be that such an amendment would pass the Senate but not
the House. Foley might even be able to keep the House from seeing it.

Touchy amendments that are passed by one house but not the other often
disappear in the conference committee that hammers out the differences
between the two houses' versions of the same bill. It might depend on
who owes what to whom in Congress at the moment.

It's always harder to change the law than not to change it. But
suppose it does pass.

> Since there is no
> line-item veto for the President, he would have to veto the
> entire bill to prevent an anti-gay rider....
> it becomes a choice between breaking a campaign promise to
> the general populace, or to gays in the wake of fierce opposition
> to overturning the current ban.  (Gee, I wonder which one he'd do?)

Well, when the President vetoes a bill, he's required to say why. He
could easily say, "Well, this is a fine bill, except you've thrown in
this irrelevant and entirely unacceptable provision requiring the
military to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. Go back
and try again."

Maybe this is the point at which we find out what he's actually made
of.

I don't think the House would have the votes to override. Hell, maybe
the Senate wouldn't either; I think Aspin is exaggerating in order to
pass the buck. And the fearsome Helms has had less success the last
few years in getting anything he wants passed; the rest of the
senators have finally begun to figure out that he doesn't own them.
From: 00kjpoynter@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Homos in Philly...
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:21:45 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

I need a little help.  I'm going to visit Philadelphia in about a
month for my father's wedding and want to know the names and
locations for the gay bars in the area and your personal opinions
on them.  I hope to take some of my old friends with me.
E-mail me since I don't read the board much.
Thanks,
Kerry JOHN Poynter
From: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Laurie Mann)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Prodigy pulls the plug
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:29:38 GMT
Reply-To: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ansible.pubs.stratus.com

L. D. Stratton writes
>Prodigy has terminated an adult section of their BB center.  Known
>as "Frank Discussion", the topics under that section included   
>"AlternateLifeStyles", primarily GBL oriented but included cross-dressing,
>Dominate/submissive and several other genre.
>It was the decision of Prodigy to merge them into existing groups and
>apply a very strict censorship on language and content.
>People are not happy!

You seem almost surprised.  Why?  Prodigy been pulling this kind of crap for  
years.  Why would anyone use Prodigy?  Does it actually cover an area that  
neither USENET, GEnie, CompuServe or AmericaOnline cover?

Sexual abuse survivors on Prodigy fled to GEnie en masse about 14 months ago  
after Prodigy management said their discussion was "too explicit."  Prodigy has  
no interest in free expression or in honest discussion.  That, and you get  
commercials on every dammned screen.

** lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Internet) Laurie.Mann (GEnie) **
******      And now for something completely different...     ******
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: Nancy Reagan [eeeeek!]
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:01:46 GMT


Deep dish about Nancy in, where else, the NY Times, in
Maureen Dowd's and Frank Rich's special Inaugural column,
"The Boomers' Ball" (1/21/93)...

    ---------------------------------------------------


Out of the Loop

It was the political equivalent of the hand-from-the-grave
punchline of the Stephen King movie, "Carrie."

In the middle of the ABS Inaugural Day coverage, a shocking
phone call arrived from Nancy Reagan, who did not seem to
be quite in the spirit of the day.

The former First Lady had been desperately trying to call
Barbara Walters, an old friend, to privately correct
something Ms. Walters had said on the air yesterday.  But
somehow, Mrs. Reagan was connected to Peter Jennings on the
air.  She insisted that the phone receiver be immediately
passed to Ms. Walters.

While Mr. Jennings and David Brinkley sat by, bemused by
the strange scene, Mrs. Reagan unloaded on both her
successors.  She insisted that, no matter what Ronald
Reagan's office said, that the Reagans had not been invited
to the Clinton inauguration.

She insisted that, no matter what Barbara Bush said, she
had given Mrs. Bush a full tour of the White House,
including laundry chute, during the 1988 transition.  And
she compained bitterly that the Bushes had never invited
the Reagans back for a state dinner.  (Even though the
Reagans never once had the Bushes to dinner at the residence
in the eight years they ran the roost.)

The prospects for the Reagans being invited to a State
Dinner in the Clinton White House do not look too good
either.

    ----------------- end of article ------------------

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From: ptb@meaddata.com (Patrick Bell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexuality: What a beautiful choice!
Date: 27 Jan 1993 01:32:26 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: echo.meaddata.com

In article <RHAYDEN.93Jan25141216@hqsun2.oracle.com>, rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden) writes:
|> Elton John experienced a very serious drop in sales when he first came
|> out.  And I can't say for sure, but I'm sure that was combined with
|> lots of nasty mail.  So he hasn't been totally insulated.
|> --
Maybe he experienced a "very serious" drop in sales because he hasn't 
turned out a decent album since "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road".

-- 
Patrick Bell           |         All viewpoints          |        (513) 865-7343
Mead Data Central, Inc.|       expressed are mine        |      ptb@meaddata.com
P.O. Box 933           |       and not that of my        |...!uunet!meaddata!ptb
Dayton, OH 45401       |      employer.  So there!       |
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.culture.african.american
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Looking For A Place In New York City
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:49:06 GMT

                   -* IMMEDIATELY!!! *-

If anyone hears about anything or knows of any little corner of  
New York waiting to be rented by someone as dear as I *smile*,  
please e-mail me (lovegod@wam.umd.edu) or call 301-314-0541.

Thanks!

Donald - Moving?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Hoovering (was Re: Tim Chain Porn)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 02:12:58 GMT

In article <727943344snx@drummond.demon.co.uk>
graeme@drummond.demon.co.uk writes:

>In article <1993Jan24.061350.854@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>> Take it from one who's seen him doing it, he's the very
>> model of domesticity when he's doing his hoovering.  And
>> (dare I say it?) quite adorable, too.

>Well....  Thank you very much Jess.  You mustn't omit to
>mention my colour-co-ordinated loo-brushes either.

I had considered saying something like: just don't get him
started on the necessity of having loo brushes (we call this
the bowl brush over here) that match the decor of the
particular bathroom.  But I decided this might seem like too
much teasing, which could lead the remark astray.  I don't
think I ever told you that many people here are just as
insistent on this matter, btw.

>BTW, do I detect a little joke at my expense for using
>"hoover(tm)" as a verb?

Au contraire, I was currying favor by using it in what I was
assured is the accepted fashion on your side of the pond.

Goodness we did laugh over these things, didn't we?  That
was such a fun visit, dear Graeme.  We must do it again.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: Re: Complete List of Phones/Addresses So Far (Military Ban)
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:43:49 GMT

In article <0729251727011993/A15772/OUTLAW/1171DC542400*@mrgate.uwyo.edu> 
LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA) writes:
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>CAPITOL SWITCHBOARD NUMBER IS 202-225-3121 OR 202-224-3121 (and ask for
>your senator--this is the only number where they may ask for your name
>and address; all others you can call in anonymously).
>------------------------------------------------------------------

Actually, I don't think they'd ask here. I was only asked when I called
Sen. Moynihan and Sen. D'Amato's offices directly. As far as I can tell,
the basic motive is to see if you're one of the people casting a vote
for/against them.

-jenneke

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Xref: sparky soc.motss:57753 soc.bi:18785
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: I'll be in D.C. Feb 3-7
Date: 20 Jan 1993 22:49:20 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, New Jersey, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

I'll be in D.C for a couple days for a couple different events.  Hopefully
I can get together with people while I'm there.

If you'll be at these events and would like to get together or etc.
feel free to write to me so we can look for each other!


Feb 3            Feb 4               Feb 5         Feb 6           Feb 7
Wednesday        Thursday            Friday        Saturday        Sunday

-|||ComNet||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
                                     |||| Final MOW93 National Meeting ||||||||
                                                                   ||||NGLTF|||

NOTE: Where there is an overlap, I'll be at the LATER event (i.e. I'm
        going to miss the closing hours of most of these.)
NOTE: ComNet starts on Monday and I'm not sure if it exists on Friday.

ComNet is a network equipment computer show.  Free tickets, I have
        surplus vacation days I need to take, can't hurt.
MOW93 is the final "National Meeting" of the organizers of the National
        March On Washington for Gay, Lesbian, and Bi Rights and
        Liberation.
NGLTF is a meeting with officials from the NGLTF.  I haven't received
        my fax of the agenda yet, so I can't really say what it's about
        (or if it's about anything! :-) ).

Relevence to soc.motss,soc.bi:  Well, it would be really nice to meet
up with people from this list if you are going to be at any of these
events!

If there are any events, get togethers, etc. in the area during those
days, I'd like to know about them!

See you all!
*hugs*

Tom
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
Heros falling to the ground / like hell's magnet / pulls me down / on my knees
/ I try to please his eyes / his idol eyes. / Jerking motions won't revive him
/ mouth to mount resusitation / I just lay down beside him / and idolize.
From: randyc@Autodesk.COM (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Stonewall in perspective
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:48:05 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <93024.021207SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET
(Jack Carroll) writes: 

	A fantastic article about Stonewall and contemporary
	politics.

>When Lindsay became mayor in 1965 there were three
>quick reversals in public policy which turned gay life in NYC
>around. [...]
>
>The homophobic Inspector Pine was delighted to have an opportunity
>to harrass gay people in The Village.  I think what happened is that
>the customers at The Stonewall were quite simply full of piss and
>vinegar after almost four years of fairly wide open night life and
>the Civil Rights marches and the anti-war sentiment made cops the
>natural target of hostility in those times too.

	Of course, it's a commonplace of history that
	uprisings, rebellions, and the like happen not when
	people are *totally* repressed, but when things are
	already getting better -- just not fast enough or
	freely enough to meet people's expectations.

>The alliances were ill-considered, various actions and statements were
>were equally lacking in forethought.

	As I recall (I was young, but I was around), this was
	typical of much of the politics of the period.
	Very slapdash and off the wall.  At least, we did give
	the government a lively run for its money.

	Thanks for an excellent look back at that time.

	-R


-- 

Randy Clark	 		 {}!autodesk.com!randyc
"Whose mind is it that doesn't suffer a loud takeover
once in a while?" -- Maxine Hong Kingston
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gays in Military: Powell's phone number
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:53:17 GMT
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Distribution: soc
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1993Jan26.181216.16822@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> 
jmh@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jeffrey M. Hoffmeister) writes:
>In article <MJT.93Jan26101028@world.std.com> 
>mjt@world.std.com (Mitch J Trachtenberg) writes:
>>The New York Times today reported that the Pentagon had received
>>about 20 calls against the ban on gays in the military, 600 for.
>>
>>The phone number for General Powell's office at the Pentagon
>>is 703 697-9121, and the Pentagon switchboard is 703 545 6700.

>I really don't understand General Powell's logic.  Isn't he using the 
>same arguements against gays as was used against blacks?
>He's about the last person I'd expect to do somwthing like that.

Yes, he is using the arguments that were used against blacks. Why? It's
probably I'm-no-longer-on-the-bottom-so-you-can-all-go-suck-eggs syndrome.
Call him and remind him why he's got his job!

-jenneke

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:26:46 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1993Jan21.200939.27127@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) wrote:

> >Financial analysis shows that gay men have more disposable
> >income than their strayt peers.
> 
> This is an often-repeated remark.  I've seen it used by
> those opposed to us.  I've never seen the evidence used to
> support the claim.  Anyone have a pointer to solid research?
> (The _Advocate_ probably won't do.)

I suspect there is some statistical error in this analysis.
National income is a well understood, often measured phenomena,
and the figures are accurate.  However, breaking down national
income into whos and whats is less precise.  While knowing
black or hispanic or female incomes is fairly straightforward,
knowing 'gay' income is considerably less so.  Who are the
surveyors going to see first?  The most visible gays.  And
which group of gays is most visible?  Probably white middle-aged
men.  And so what we are seeing is what we already know:  
white middle-age men have higher incomes than the rest of
society.  

*X*
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