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From: P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz (Phil Etheridge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ home cooking cuisine
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:21:22 GMT
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Organization: SMIS, Massey University

Phil Ngan (nganp@ohsu.edu) wrote:

> I'm a New Zealander working in the States for a while. I've asked several  
> friends around to my apartment for a NZ dinner. I invite suggestions as to  
> what constitutes NZ home cooking 'cuisine' so that my guests can  
> experience an authentic taste of Aotearoa.

How about paua fritters?  I believe paua is exported to the 'States, if the
reports about shellfish contamination are anything to go by.  Unfortuately,
the last I heard, paua exports have been temporarily banned as well.

Most non-native residents I've met have found paua patties delicious.

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From: paul@dragons.DIALix.oz.au (Paul O'Neill)
Subject: Re: Help wanted, looking 4 tips
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wcc - usa (wcc@cup.portal.com) wrote:

> Rgds,
> Darryl Harvey

> (My $0.02 worth - Ooops, I can't say that any more.  My $0.05 worth!)
> .

Or you could round it down and put in your $0.00 worth :)

Paul

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From: ian.baillie@stargate.actrix.gen.nz (Ian Baillie) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ home cooking cuisi
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:16:00 GMT
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Reply-To: ian.baillie@stargate.actrix.gen.nz (Ian Baillie) 

DM>Traditional (and much appreciated by our guests) roast lamb with roast
DM>potatoes, roast pumpkin (new idea for most Americans) roast parsnip an
DM>peas. Trim with gravy (NOT 'au jus') and mint sauce. Stud the lamb wit
DM>garlic slices before cooking and pit a sprig of rosemary on top. This 
DM>be followed by a pavlova, properly topped with passion fruit pulp and
DM>kiwi fruit slices.
DM>
DM>Not traditional. Venison with a tamarillo and ginger sauce (I brought
DM>some venison back with me on my last visit home). Feijoa ice cream for
DM>dessert. 
DM>
DM>We can get NZ feijoas (something like 50c each!), tamarillos and passi
DM>fruit here. We just have to buy them when you see them. Passion fruit
DM>will freeze whole and we stewed some tamarrillos and that mix froze we
DM>Last time my wife saw passionfruit in Krogers (local supermarket chain
DM>she bought up the whole stock then went and did the same in two other
DM>branches.

The other "home cuisine" part of NZ culture is the "Hokey-Pokey" 
ice-cream, although the Australians will try and nick that one as well as 
the pavalova idea. For all those plebs who wish to become the cognicenti, 
Hokey-Pokey icecream has bits of toffee-honeycomb type of stuff in it. A 
bit hard to explain, I'm afraid.

Cheers,
Ian

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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: NZ statistics
Keywords: just got home
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 02:20:10 GMT

In article <25NRXB1w165w@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz> system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) writes:

>This is an acknowledged problem around the world, and the New Zealand
>dept of statistics is progressive moving to join the world standards. The
>household survey switched to being the OFFICIAL measure at least one year
>ago, although the actual registered number is still compiled and released.

Actually, in some ways NZ is way ahead of the rest of the world.  They've
started to publish a yearly balance sheet---assets vs liabilities.  Of course
there is always going to be an arbitrary element to this, as the figures
will depend on what you choose to count as an asset etc.  However, so long
as you're consistent from year to year, this sort of thing should help
keep the government's eyes on the long run implications of whatever they
do, not just the short run effects.

RNA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Unemployment rate? (Was Re: New Zealand looking good)
From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:03:48 NZST
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand
Keywords: just got home

medrh@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Richard Hockey) writes:

> >>Kept looking for 200,000 unemployed, but never saw them.
> 
> >So what is the unemployment rate in NZ?
> 
> >Australia's is still around 11.3%.
> 
> It can be difficult to compare unemployment rates between countries as
> they are often measured differently. Australia uses a household survey
> to measure unemployment at a given point in time while NZ as far as I
> know uses registered unemployed as a percent of the total labour force.
> The Australian method gives a much more accurate estimate of the 'real'
> unemployment rate.
> 
This is an acknowledged problem around the world, and the New Zealand
dept of statistics is progressive moving to join the world standards. The
household survey switched to being the OFFICIAL measure at least one year
ago, although the actual registered number is still compiled and released.

Suprise: New Zealand politicians use whichever series most suits the point 
they wish to make. Thus we have the case where Mike Moore is pointing to
an increase (household survey) wherease Luxton (?) was pointing to a
decrease (registered unemployed). Naughty Luxton, the Dept of Statistics
gave him an official reprimand for using non-official statistics.


Wayne "will talk about seasonally adjusted figures for food" McDougall

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From: hamish@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ home cooking cuisine
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:07:52 +1300
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1993Jan25.105256.2128@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu>, mrichardson@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
> In article <1993Jan25.093457.13405@waikato.ac.nz>, hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>> In article <1jrl75INN3a4@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>, Donald Mackie <donald_mackie@med.umich.edu> writes:
>>> Subject: NZ home cooking cuisine
>>> From: nganp
>>> Date: 22 Jan 93 18:02:24 GMT
>>> In article <1993Jan22.180224.12524@ohsu.edu> , nganp@ohsu.edu writes:
>>>>Hi
>>>  I invite suggestions as to  
>>>>what constitutes NZ home cooking 'cuisine' 
>>> 
>>> Traditional (and much appreciated by our guests) roast lamb with roast
>>> potatoes, roast pumpkin (new idea for most Americans) roast parsnip and
>> DON'T WASH THE ROASTING DISH!!!
>> 
>> 1. Empty most of the oil from the roast into a disk (Save it in the fridge for
>>    later roasts).
>> 2. Put the dish on the stove and turn onto med-high.
>> 3. Brown some flour (Not self raising. I did that once :) in the disk slightly.
>> 4. Add water a little at a time stiring well to avoid lumps. 
> 
> 4A. Horrible Omission: lob in some Vegemite/Marmite for flavour and 
> colour
> 

Ug! Gross. How awful. Then it just tastes like marmite. The colour and flavour
comes from all the bits of meat, potato, pumpkin, kumera etc on the bottom
of the pan. If you have to resort to that sort of garbage above then you
aren't doing it properly. If you are really desperate try some gravy browning
or stock cubes.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Tell me moa!
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 12:11:36 GMT
Organization: The CServer at the Z*NET International Global News Gateway
Keywords: need other jokes

mcwg9235@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marsha Woodbury ) writes:

> Surely we can beat the captive mowers, the Moa crossing.
> Has anyone found a moa egg?
 
 I have one here infact, it seems to be of a Briggs and Straton
 genises and is an EGG of a mower.


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From: mariou@astro.astro.ufl.edu (Mariou Gottesman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Bird of a vanished species was seen???
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:22:44 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.new-zealand


Could you please send me any information you have on the 
story?    Thanks a lot.

Please use e-mail.

M. Gottesman
From: phys218@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ home cooking cuisine
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:56:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: csc.1993Jan26.095600.1
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In the middle of Hamish Marson's authentic recipe for proper New
Zealand gravy, one mrichardson@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu added a
horrible, non-traditional suggestion:

"lob in some Vegemite/Marmite for flavour and colour".

Ugh!  The flavour you get is the flavour of the yeast extract, like one
of those vile packet gravies.  The real thing gets all of its colour and
flavour from the cooking of the flour in the dripping before you add the
water (preferably by draining a pot in which you have cooked some
vegetables).

Hamish wrote, "1. Empty most of the oil from the roast into a disk (Save
it in the fridge for later roasts)..."

What sort of disk are you using, Hamish?  Back in the old days my mother
only had the old 8-inch disks, and they hardly held enough kilobytes of
dripping to drain a sausage.  Things are easier for her now with the
modern high-density disks, but we are thinking of buying her a hard disk
for her stove when Mother's Day comes round.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Moa spotted in South Island???
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 19:38:53 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand - Software Development Center

In article <1993Jan28.151730.13485@waikato.ac.nz> mfaville@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>In article <Zq6ZXB4w165w@actrix.co.at>, paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater) writes:
>> I heard that someone has spotted (and photographed!) a moa in the South
>> Island.  Is this verified?  Any more details?  Inquiring minds etc.
>> 
>> --
>
>Yes, but that's nothing.  A small herd of brontosuari wandered through my
>office yesterday afternoon.  Someone should tell the Queen.

That should technically be Apatasauri!  In the Herald this morning they had 
a short report (on the Moa).  The image has been de-blurred by someone at 
one of the universities.  He thinks he can see ' well I have to be careful 
what I say' a beak.  The pisture is now as clear as he can get without the
negative which. curiously, is unavailable!  

A respected Moa expert (who did his PhD on the giant raptor which preyed 
upon the Moa.  Says the picture is as consistent with a four legged animal 
like a deer as it is with a large bird.  

He thinks it unlikely that a population of large birds could exist so close to
christchurch with all those trampers and pig hunters etc.


I think the herd of Apatasauri would be almost as likely as a herd of Moa.

I would be really pleased if either was real though!



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From: Donald Mackie <donald_mackie@med.umich.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ home cooking cuisine
Date: 23 Jan 1993 14:37:25 GMT
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Subject: NZ home cooking cuisine
From: nganp
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:02:24 GMT
In article <1993Jan22.180224.12524@ohsu.edu> , nganp@ohsu.edu writes:
>Hi
 I invite suggestions as to  
>what constitutes NZ home cooking 'cuisine' 

Traditional (and much appreciated by our guests) roast lamb with roast
potatoes, roast pumpkin (new idea for most Americans) roast parsnip and
peas. Trim with gravy (NOT 'au jus') and mint sauce. Stud the lamb with
garlic slices before cooking and pit a sprig of rosemary on top. This to
be followed by a pavlova, properly topped with passion fruit pulp and
kiwi fruit slices.

Not traditional. Venison with a tamarillo and ginger sauce (I brought
some venison back with me on my last visit home). Feijoa ice cream for
dessert. 

We can get NZ feijoas (something like 50c each!), tamarillos and passion
fruit here. We just have to buy them when you see them. Passion fruit
will freeze whole and we stewed some tamarrillos and that mix froze well.
Last time my wife saw passionfruit in Krogers (local supermarket chain)
she bought up the whole stock then went and did the same in two other
branches.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: MOA SIGHTED!!
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:43:37 EST

In article <1993Jan28.084451.587@otago.ac.nz>
clive@otago.ac.nz (Clive Boock) writes:
 
>
>  MOA SIGHTED!!??!!
>  rest of text deleted
 
Isn't this rather early for an April Fool's joke?
 
Gerald Cheang
From: Chris_Rolleston@f170.n771.z3.fidonet.org (Chris Rolleston)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: NZ home cooking cuisine
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:39:02 GMT
Reply-To: Chris_Rolleston@f150.n771.z3.fidonet.org (Chris Rolleston)
Comment-To: Nganpohsu.edu@f150.n771.z3.fidonet.org

> I'm a New Zealander working in the States for a while. I've asked 
several  
> friends around to my apartment for a NZ dinner. I invite suggestions 
as to  
> what constitutes NZ home cooking 'cuisine' so that my guests can  
> experience an authentic taste of Aotearoa.

Don't know if this will reach you but...

Can you get watercress over there? (look in a gourmet vege shop)
Grab some pork bones (necks are the best, they suck real good), 
chuck in some spuds (or should that be potatoe :), salt to taste,
boil the hell out of it for several hours, then let it cool down
and stand for a few hours before reheating. We usually make a big
pot and can sometimes keep it going for three days, breakfast on 
the third day is best.

I was thinking of a hangi but that'd probably be a problem from
an apartment eh?

Cheers
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From: clive@otago.ac.nz (Clive Boock)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: MOA SIGHTED!!
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:44:51 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

  MOA SIGHTED!!??!!

  Well the title says it all. In the Craigeburn Range near Arthurs Pass last
week 3 trampers allegedly sighted and photographed a moa, previously thought to
be extinct for the last 400/500 years.
  The trampers, one of whom was the publican from the Arthurs Pass hotel, are
adamant that this is not a hoax and although the photograph is very indistinct
computer enhancement carried out yesterday at the University of Canterbury
shows that the shape in the photograph is 3D and not a model.  
  Many people are very sceptical about these claims and Department of
Conservation staff are to interview the three to try to ascertain if these
people are having them on. 
   The funniest thing to come out of this story so far is a women from a
wildlife park on the West Coast claiming to have two "moas" in captivity, when
television cameras were taken to film these creatures they were taken to a shed
where two "mowers" were proudly displayed, complete with feathers!!
  We await further developments with interest.

Clive H. Boock, University of Otago, New Zealand.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Moa spotted in South Island???
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 10:04:37 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET International News Gateway in New Zealand

mfaville@waikato.ac.nz writes:

> In article <Zq6ZXB4w165w@actrix.co.at>, paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater)
> > I heard that someone has spotted (and photographed!) a moa in the South
> > Island.  Is this verified?  Any more details?  Inquiring minds etc.
> > 
> > --
> 
> Yes, but that's nothing.  A small herd of brontosuari wandered through my
> office yesterday afternoon.  Someone should tell the Queen.
> 
 
 What can we say Marty, the Wiakato is a strange place (grin).  The
 Queens phone number is 0800-QUEEN-LIZ so call her toll free (big grin)


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From: geusch@informatik.hu-berlin.de ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand,aus.general,aus.jobs
Subject: Help wanted, looking 4 tips
Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:37:55 GMT
Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science
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Hi U!

I'm doing this posting for a friend of mine. I'm not sure, if this is
the right newsgroup, but help anyway, please. 
E-Mail me (geusch@informatik.hu-berlin.de), Thanx in advance
 CU



Hello !

Is there anybody out there who can help me to get to the STATES, 
AUSTRALIA or NEW ZEALAND as cheap and as long as possible ?
I need to know all about getting there, by ship or,if necessary,
by plane; working there (unskilled) and living there (houses,
flats, hostels aso). Time: between april and august 1993. Main 
problem: MONEY!!, therefor as cheap as possible. I'll be glad
about any kind of tip, address or something like that.
THANKS, 
shark.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Results: Psych profile of gun owners
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:05:30 GMT
Organization: The Cserver at the Z*NET International Global News Gateway

jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz writes:

> Sorry to bring this up again,  especially as I defended some gun-owners from
 
 Well next time do not bother to publish it!
 
> the gross generalisations being made about them,  buy I've quite by chance co
> across the article "Personality Characteristics of American Gun-Owners",  by
> Diener & Kerber, Journal of Social Psychology, vol. 107 (1979).
> 
> The abstract is repeated below with zilch authorisation:
> 
> "The purposes of the present study were to explore the reasons behind gun
> ownership and to gather evidence concerning popular sterotypes of gun-owners.
> Male gun-owners (n=37) and a matched sample of nongun-owners (n=23) reported
> demopgraphic information,  reasons for gun-ownership,  knowledge about guns,
> and experience with firearms.  Subjects also completed several personality
> inventories.  Results indicated that gun-owners differed greatly from
> nongun-owners in their interest and knowledge in firearms.  It appeared that
> early socialisation to guns was a primary factor in firearm ownership.  While
> gun-owners stated that recreation and defense were the primary reasons for
> owning guns,  they also had personalities which were characterised by lower
> sociability and higher need for power than the nongun-owners.  The gun-owners
> on the average did not exhibit atypical personality characteristocs when 
> compared with the nongun-owners or with the national norms on the California
> Psychological Inventory.  However,  the small sample and the high education 
> level of gun-owners in this study indicate caution when generalizing these
> findings."
> (p. 227)
> 

 
 As is stated by the title of this dribble it is USA based and has NO
 relivence to New Zealand at all.  Remember the "kiwi" social economic
 groups are far higher than those in the USA.
 
 Geese what a waste of bandwidth.


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From: mrichardson@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Vegemite and gravy
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:01:05 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

Well, my handy hint to add Vegemite to your gravy met with universal 
disgust so I guess I won't open a restaurant.  I didn't mean to 
suggest that you ladle it in - just a soupcon to "enhance" and "bring 
out" the natural flavour of the drippings! Well, anyway, I like it.
From: nganp@ohsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: NZ home cooking cuisine
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:02:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohsu.1993Jan22.180224.12524
Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University

Hi

I'm a New Zealander working in the States for a while. I've asked several  
friends around to my apartment for a NZ dinner. I invite suggestions as to  
what constitutes NZ home cooking 'cuisine' so that my guests can  
experience an authentic taste of Aotearoa.

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