From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:59:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.205344.10779@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>>>We can apply Mr. Wu's reasoning here.  He claims that in order to judge
>>>a culture, you must have met every single member of that culture.
>>No, he's not saying that at all.  He's saying that there are some labels
>>and cultures which are easily defined (a Nazi believes in killing Jews,
>>and anti-Semetic hates, or at least has negative pre-conceived notions of
>>Jews) and some which aren't (like American or Chinese culture).

>Well, that's not correct.  Mr. George Wu (georgew@hspice.portal.com) claims
>that in order to judge a culture, you must have met every single member of that
>culture.

     Let me make things prefectly clear and reiterate what I believe.  Having
seen no evidence (zero, zip, none) to support Dwight Joe's claims about
Chinese culture, I cannot explain from where he gains such beliefs.  Chinese
culture is not, in fact, defined as a culture embodying racism, sexism, child
abuse, etc.  Having made such accusations in the absence of real evidence,
about a group of people not *by* definition* as having these beliefs
intrinsically, I contend Dwight Joe must base his beliefs simply on bigotry
and hatred.  Polling every member of such a society is too strict a standard.
I would believe Dwight Joe's claims if he could produce a verifiable study
which has sampled a statistically valid proportion of the Chinese populace.

>The Americans would again erect a democratic gov't.  The Chinese would not,
>and I do not need to talk to every American and every Chinese to know this.

>The oppressive dictatorship is consistent with the Chinese notion that an
>individual has little to no rights as an individual.  This is an integral
>part of Chinese culture.  This is very different from the beliefs in 
>Western culture.

     Funny, you *know* this?  On what evidence do you base such *knowledge*?
Has it ever occurred to you quite a few Chinese people did in fact display
a strong desire for democratic reforms in Tianamen Square?  Name an equivalent
popular protest demanding an authoritarian government.

>Mr. George Wu, like many of his Chinese-cu friends,

     Again, Dwight Joe has misattributed my culture.  As I've corrected him
in the past, I was born and raised in American society with American values.
I so state my upbringing not out of shame, as some have alleged Dwight Joe
feels of his own upbringing, but because I wish to point out that I do not
feel personally attacked by his baseless accusations against Chinese culture.
I am a disinterested party attempting to objectively emphasize the racist
foundation of Dwight Joe's beliefs.

> believes that skin
>color determines the inferiority or superiority of a person.  They
>also believe that virginity has a crucial bearing on the value of a woman.

     Again, I have never stated such beliefs, I have never implied such
beliefs, and I do not hold such beliefs.  This statement is outright libel.

     I DEMAND A PUBLIC APOLOGY AND COMPLETE RETRACTION.  Dwight Joe,
regardless of your beliefs concerning the Chinese, not only have I never
personally stated or implied such beliefs, but I have previously publicly
corrected you and stated I am not a member of this so-called "Chinese-cu."

     I do not normally make such accusations from a flamewar on the net.
However, in this case, I believe such accusations are so baseless as to
constitute malicious intent.  One's First Amendment rights do not extend to
statements of slander or libel.

							George


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