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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:36:09 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <56316@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:

>A buddy of mine brought the issue into work and I read this section
>this morning. Plain and simple the guy who wrote the article(from a 
>Boston Paper) 
  This may have something to do with it. :-)  Boston is truly a college hoops
wasteland.  Although Bill Curley & Co. seem to want to correct that.
>doesn't really know what he's talking about. 

I agree.  The "analysis" in that article was among the worst I've ever seen.
I mainly posted it just as a preseason teaser, to see an initial poll...
>He picked Arizona St. as the 16th team, and said that Frieder has more talent

...but this made me laugh out loud.  He's also discounting teams like UNLV,
Tulane, and dare I say it, UMASS!!!                                 

>He called Chris Collins a "superrecruit", like he'll actually make a
>big impact at Duke with Hurley in front of him. Hell even the Duke fans
>on this net are starting to say Chris is in over his head and next year's
>recruits will move in front of him.

Here's one Duke fan that agrees with you.  I've watched him play in several
coachless, but organized pick-up games in Cameron recently.  These games
include players past and present.  Collins has astounding range, but seems to
have no clue on how to run a team.  Several times his teammates screamed at 
him for shooting instead of passing, but he didn't seem to mind.  I think he
can be a fine shooting guard, but no more.
  
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Christ resides in pea soup"--William Shatner, "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds",
				played backwards (really!)
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Recruiting News Here and There
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:43:31 GMT

jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:

>Pitino and company were very high on Burton, but once they got a solid
>verbal commitment from Jeff Sheppard, they toned down their efforts for
>Darnell by a couple of orders of magnitude.  Pitino said something 
>about not wanting to "stockpile" players at any position, and yet UK
>has had enough injuries and graduations that you'd think he wouldn't
>mind getting someone of Burton's obvious quality.  

	Not to mention -- I think it's important that UK land a player
	within the Lexington area.  Not since Mel Turpin/Leroy Byrd has
	UK landed the best players from Lexington!  (I'm not counting Sean
	Sutton for obvious reasons).  For instance, there was Darrin Horn
	from Tates Creek, and he ended up at Western.  Stewart ended up
	at UTEP, and Steve Miller (a Mr. Basketball) went to Western!
	Frank Kornet from Catholic went to Vandy, and Michael Allen all the
	way to SW Louisiana (via Georgia & JUCO).  Lots of talent -- and
	I'm sure all were interested in UK, except that UK didn't recruit
	them.  Burton is a bona-fide star -- and even if they did already
	land Shepard -- if UK passes on Burton, U'd have to wonder if they
	would EVER land another local product.

>Considering the UK weakness at center, I'd have thought he'd have 
>"stockpiled" as many good players there as he could get his hands on.
>Everyone keeps saying that McCarty and Dent are fine players, but Dent
>is new and McCarty won't play until next year, so I'd still like to see
>the Wildcats land a world-class center.

	Come to think of it -- I can't remember the last "world-class"
	center who came to UK.  Perhaps the closest thing to one was
	Sam Bowie.  But since, UK has tasted people like Rob Lock, Cedric
	Jenkins, and the like.  Not bad players -- but hardly world-class.

	Jazzy J

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From: rcbaker@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Bob Baker)
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:54:47 GMT

Brian E. Saunders writes, in reference to the toughest places to play:

>>Allen FieldHouse, Lawrence Kansas  #1
>>The little shack Duke plays in #2
>>The kid from Halsted Kansas Arena (Rupp for the uninformed) Arena #3
>>The Orange Peel dome (just the mass of fans here) #4
>>Bobby K's place in Indiana #5
>
>I would disagree with #5.  Assembly Hall at Indiana is a horrible place to
>watch a basketball game (just ask the students).  It really takes the crowd
>out of the game.  IU is tough to beat there, but that is because they are
>IU, not because of the arena.

Agreed.  The place blows.  Stay home and watch it on TV.  At least
then you can have a beer.

>IMO, Mackey Arena is the toughest place to play in the Big 10, and probably
>should be in a list of of the top #5 toughest places in the country.  Lots
>of upsets tend to happen there (unfortunately, sometimes they happen to
>Purdue, too).  The Breslin Center (MSU) is probably the 2nd toughest place
>in the Big 10, followed closely by St. John's (TOSU) and Carver-Hawkeye.

Nope.  Can't agree with you less.  Minnesota's barn seems much tougher
than Mackey.  While there are always a bunch of upsets at Purdue (and
fewer in Gopher land), that step up to the court, the history of the
place, and the loud LOUD fans make it the toughest, hands down.

Luv ya,
bob



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From: wrl@pmafire.inel.gov (William Lechner)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 20:52:43 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Rashard Griffith update
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: 

In article <BvpIwp.80x@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.131241.4229@pmafire.inel.gov> wrl@pmafire.inel.gov (William Lechner) writes:
>>In article <19882@ector.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>>>
>>>6. Cornelius McNary ties himself up and immolates himself on a burning
>>>pyre, apparently despondent over recent removal of campus landmark,
>>>the old smokestack, thereby releasing scholarship.  Gene Keady is
>>>later seen trying to scrub a faint smell of kerosene and garlic from
>>>his hands.
>>
>>Does the removal of the smokestack mean there are no more virgins at
>>Purdue?
>
>	There were never any to begin with...  Have you ever heard
>	the "lion" roar???
>

On my way to show a new co-ed Purdue's grave I thought I heard something,
but on the way back I'm sure that I didn't :-).


Bill
From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: NCAA Magazine predictions
Keywords: Michigan, NCAA Magazine
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:01:46 GMT

In article <Bvo58G.Czo@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> lhstone@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Louis "Big Lou" Stone) writes:
>I don't think that Michigan merits a number one pre-season ranking.
>Michigan's FAB 5 will be sophomores this year.  Looking at past
>experience with sophomores, I don't think it will be that great.
>
>(What the hell do you mean Lou?)
>Example:  Damon Bailey of my own beloved IU.  During his freshman year, he was
>          hot stuff and played well, etc.  Last year, (sophomore) he went 
>          through a serious case of the sophomore blahs.  It seems like almost
>          every player that has done well in their first year comes down from
>          the ozone and gets a cloudy head for a while during their second 
>          year.
>
>          Now.... if Michigan has all five go through the blahs at _once_
>          it could really affect their tourney hopes.  If they go through
>          separately then Michigan may be able to weather it.
>
>
>
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If it were up to me, I'd rate us 15th.  Anything but number 1.  
I'm concerned that the kids might believe the hype and slack off 
a bit.  From my perspective, the Fab Five was a different team 
in last year's tourney than they were in the regular season.  They 
seem to have gelled as a unit and learned how to play "together" 
rather than as five great individual atheletes.  I'm hoping they 
can keep it up.  :)

Go Blue!  
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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Maui Classics and Pitinoisms
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:10:58 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1992Oct2.162401.10454@infonode.ingr.com> nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) writes:
>In article <69596@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>>
>>will always find a way to dislike each other."  At the same time,
>>Pitino defended LSU coach Dale Brown, calling him (get ready to be
>>amazed, everybody!) "... a very under-rated coach, and he's very good
>>to his young men."  Considering the verbal clashes between Brown and
>>Pitino in past years, I was rather astonished to hear Rick say this.
>
> Sheesh, first Bobby Knight and now PItino. But I guess that proves the old
>adage: "Wisdom comes with age".  ;)

Unfortunately, so does Alzheimer's Disease.   :-)

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From: suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick Suffridge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:12:52 GMT
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.

rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
: 
: 
: A buddy of mine brought the issue into work and I read this section
: this morning. Plain and simple the guy who wrote the article(from a 
: Boston Paper) doesn't really know what he's talking about. He picked
: Arizona St. as the 16th team, and said that Frieder has more talent
: than any other Pac-10 team(he picked Cal 9th and UCLA 12th)! Now
: since its the November issue, shouldn't he know that most of the talent
: won't actually be there(Ronaldson,Bennet, Faulkner etc.)?
: 
: [stuff deleted]
: My impressions of this article were that its pieces like this that drove
: me to stop reading Sport and Sports Illustrated.
: 
: I wouldn't put too much stock in his Big -10 picks, or in any of his
: picks, although I do agree Kansas and Michigan look to be 1 and 2.
: 

   Remember, this is Sport magazine, the same rag which picked Florida
 as their #1 team in 1988.  I have never been impressed with their
 college basketball writing.  They have made a number of picks over the
 years that just left me scratching my head.
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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: College Sports Top 25
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:09:13 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

Chris Erwin mentioned that the earlier a preseason mag comes out, the more 
drug-induced its predictions are.  This is especially true for a new
publication called College Sports.  It actually had several nice articles,
including one on Jerry Stackhouse; the Hurley family; Wagner College and its
Yugoslavian stars; Rollie M. at UNLV; and scout Tom Knochalski.
 It also contains the following Top 25 list:

1. FSU "Athleticism and experience add up to No. 1" 
2. Indiana "Should have great battles vs Michigan"
3. Duke "Laettner's gone but Blue Devils still team to beat in March"
4. Michigan "What do Wolverines do for an encore?"
5. Kentucky "Could be doing monster Mash on Bourbon St."
6. Arizona "Must shoot better than it did last year"
7. Kansas "Williams should be next coach in Chapel Hill...."
8. UNC "...until then, Dean will do"
9. Memphis State "Topped 20-win mark for firt time since '89"
10. Boston College "Will be in Final Four this year or next"
11. Oklahoma "Loss of Brent Price makes them quicker"
12. Seton Hall "Preseason favorite in changed Big East"
13. Cincinnati "Will miss Anthony Buford and Herb Jones"
14. UNLV "Rebels are loaded; no excuses for Rollie"
15. Louisville "Cardinals are 12-4 in NCAA with shot clock"
16. Georgetown "Othella Harrington joins strong nucleus of juniors"
17. Tulane "Posse should make Wave tough again"
18. James Madison "Lefty finally gets it right"
19. Tennessee "Allan Houston vaults dad's Vols to top 20"
20. W. Kentucky "Hilltoppers represent an underrated league" (Sun Belt)
21. Evansville "MCC should be battle between Aces and Xavier"
22. Illinois "Lou Henson has his Illini back in hunt"
23. Utah "With Josh Grant back, Utes should rule WAC"
24. UConn "Must find point guard to replace Chris Smith"
25. Xavier "Missed NCAA's last year for first time since 1985"

 Arizona at #6?? Boston College in the FF? **Western Kentucky**???


	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Well, he's not the most intelligent guy in the world."
			--MTV VJ Duff, on dinner partner Christian Laettner
From: rpandey@CS.ORST.EDU (Rajeev Pandey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Student Ticket Distribution at Schools--a survey
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:18:35 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Oregon State University


 When I first came to Oregon State (some years ago), the way folks
 got student tickets was in the time-honored, stand-in-line, first-
 come-first-serve method.

 This lead to fraternal organizations setting up elaborate living
 arrangements in line several days before tickets went on sale, and
 to some ugly incidents in line due to parties wishing to not wait in
 line yet obtain good tickets, and hence good positions in line.

 NOW, students fill out a form, with their name/class standing and up
 to 4 other students with whom they would wish to sit on them, and
 the seats are chosen via random lottery, but in the following order
 of precedence:

    seniors and grad students [I knew those years of education would 
			       pay off :-) ]
    juniors
    sophmores
    freshman

 The named student is used to determine priority level, i.e. Joe Senior
 and his group of four freshman associates still get the high priority.
 Now, fraternities have to set up elaborate seating groups, but at least
 "the rest of us" have a chance at good seats without squandering a weekend,
 and part of a class day, just getting tickets. 

 Also, the $50 season ticket package here is for ALL home games.
  
 So, I'm curious:

   1. How are tickets distributed at your school?

   2. How much do they cost? Are they for all home games? 


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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:26:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.043757.26455@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dbayer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel L Bayer) writes:
>Talk about Whine and Cheese arenas--how about Assembly Hall in Bloomington?  I
>watched Ohio State smoke IU last winter (Jan, 1991) at Assembly Hall,  where 
>virtually nobody stood and cheered on their team.  And they thought we were 
>amusing while we screamed like maniacs.

I was at that game, and I was extremely disappointed in the crowd there. They
sat in total shock that Sir Bobby's boys weren't leading by 20, let alone
losing.

I will say it again: No arena in which home fans tell other home fans to shut
up is worth jack squat in college basketball.  To borrow a popular T-shirt
colloquialism here in Bloomington, Assembly Hall sucks and the silent fans 
swallow.
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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Street and Smith Issue
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:43:16 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In case anyone is interested and doesn't already know, I've just
discovered that the Street and Smith College/Prep Basketball Issue
is supposed to come out on October 20.

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From: creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman)
Subject: Re: Faulkner to Cincy?
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:16:18 GMT

In article <matthew.717986266@base.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:
>
>>matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>>> Today's LA Times (10/1) had a long article on Arizona State "Athletics".
>
>>     Fuck you and you sneer quotes, Matthew.
>
>Oooh ouch.  Gary, Scott -- Sick him!
>Never mind - Jackie Sherrod already got him, courtesy of Ken Bowers.
>
>Huck, you do me a gross disservice.  The point of the quotes was that the
>article was about the problems, not about the majority of athletes.  It
>would have been much more of a slam had I left the quotes off.  Then I
>would be implying that all athletes at ASU trouble-makers.
>
>The story actually wasn't very well written.  It clearly had a paragraph
>edited out.  Seems one of the assistant coaches (baseball) was caught 
>jumping off a balcony at a hotel in someone else's clothes.  It said that 
>he had tried to run from the police because the school had so many problems
>and he knew that getting caught would lead to further problems.  
>Unfortunately, the story didn't say why he was running in the first place.
>

This was the best part.  He was running because he was,
shall we say, "liberating" certain items from hotel
rooms.  I believe the article was suggesting that he
could have apologized and been dismissed by the 
security guards.  That probably wouldn't have happened.

>As for your suggestion that UCLA (or any Division I program) has similar 
>problems - no kidding.  Even the staunchest Sun Devil fan must admit that
>there is a long history of institutional problems at ASU.

It is true that ASU has had more than it's share of 
problems, yet none have them have been anywhere near
the magnitude of those at Oklahoma a couple of years 
ago.  And, unfortunately, the "zero tolerance" policy is
going to lead to more names than are probably warranted.
Things are to the point of idiocy when they are 
releasing names of students who had been cited for 
underage possession of alcohol. 

Scott

  "You can always find a black cat in a
 dark room, even if there isn't a cat."
                    

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From: ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason)
Subject: Re: NCAA Magazine predictions
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:14:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.212928.24825@cbnews.cb.att.com> chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller) writes:
>In article <Bvo2AJ.98u@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>>11. Ohio State				31. Nebraska
>
>	Ohio State deserves to be in this list, but at number 11??
>Get real! With J.J.( Jim Jackson ), Mark Baker, and Jim Jent gone. Do
>you expect Mr. Funderburke to cary the load? 
>	I say Ohio State should be rated between 25 and 35, and to break the
>top twenty by seasons end.

Ohio State should be the Big-10's mystery team this year.  There will
be 6 brand new faces (7 if you include Otis Winston).  A few
of them will be playing quite a bit.  Non-Buckeye fans probably
won't recognize much of anybody other than Funderburke.  I expect
this year to be much like Jackson's freshman year - lots of very young
talent - get burned early in the season and progress towards an NCAA
tournament caliber team towards the end of the year.  But it's
very hard to predict how all the young talent will do.  It's
important for Buckeye fans to not expect too much - I remember
Jackson's freshman year when people were posting on this very newsgroup
that Ohio State was the worst team in the Big-10, Jackson isn't that
good, Jackson should transfer, etc.  That was before the Big-10 season
started that year, and we all know what Ohio State did from that point on.
Give Ayers some time with this talent - I don't think Ohio State fans
will be dissappointed.

11th is absolutely ridiculous.  If I had to guess, I'd say your 25-35
guess is probably pretty good.

david
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov (Orin Day)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Recruiting Junkies Anonymous (was: Joey Beard - Duke Bound)
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:11:07 GMT
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <1992Sep28.165043.20888@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)  
writes:
> They are in the business, after all, of making things today seem
> worse than yesterday.  Like at Duke.

Well.  Duke was #1 all last year.  Duke is not #1 this year in 
anybody's poll.  Therefore, things today are worse than yesterday.
But, hopefully, still better than anywhere else.

I won't mention football on the off chance that they may succeed
later this season.

> Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> 

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