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From: mautzcl@news.duc.auburn.edu
Subject: TKD advice
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:16:37 GMT



hello.  I am a new reader to this newsgroup, and I was wondering if anyone
could help me answer a question.  I am currently in college, and am considering
starting up again in a MA.  When I was in High School, I took Choi Kwang Do,
but now being on a much restrained budget, am thinking about taking Tae Kwan
Do.  My school offers a TKD club, and I wondered if anybody had any 
experience to the quality of tuition available through a club as opposed to
a regular TKD school, of which we have 2 or 3.  I guess what I'm asking is is
it worth it to start out in a club-type atmosphere, which would definately be
less expensive, or better to just go to a dojo.  Any advice?  Any regrets?


thanks

chip

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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Model Mugging (long)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:18:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.205650.26557@morrow.stanford.edu> CA.FER@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jennifer Gates) writes:
>Well in general it is true for all Martial Artists that they could
>always come up against someone bigger, stronger or better trained
>then them. But we all have to start somewhere. This is a good place
>for women to start.

My impression was that Model Mugging was set up as a single,
several week long course. It might be a very good place to start,
but it doesn't seem to lead to, or continue on into, anything building
on this start. Worse, it seems (please correct me if I'm wrong)
that it gives women an incorrect impression about the need for
such continuing training. 

                                                   Frank Crary
                                                   CU Boulder
From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Tai Chi, final
Date: 4 Sep 92 06:17:45 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

Geez..  go away on vacation and all the good stuff starts flying !

In article <BtnpC8.ItK@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> stnahc@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (L. Chan) writes:
>
>
>    they are different styles. A simple example could serve illustrating 
>    this point well - a lot of Tai Chi movement
>    waves the hand and step forward, this is not what it should be when
>    one is in a fight. The waving of hand is used for distracting the
>    opponent to look at your hands, at that very same time, you have 
>    already step very hard on his foot or kick at his lower leg. 
>    A very simple human reflex was used in the example - when someone
>    seems to hit you by his hand, you will concentrate on what he will
>    do next with his hand and thus, miss some other possible things.
>    This concept of utilizing human reflex is used by Bruce Lee in JKD
>    and generalized this as faking.
>
>   The type of skill/knowledge I mentioned is so deadly, will you
>    teach it to everyone you know?
>

Hey..  I learned this principle at a tender young age
from Shihans:  Larry, Moe and Curly !!

"See that ?"  BONK
"Ow ow ow ow ow"

-thorick "no moe, not THAT !" chow



--
"We must be careful not to discourage our 12-year-olds by making them   
 waste the best years of their lives on preparing for examinations.  If
 we do not stifle their interest in science, one of them has a chance to
 be the new Heisenberg..."              - Freeman Dyson
From: tlim@cats.ucsc.edu (Totoro)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Comparing styles - which one is best?
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:09:52 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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	Yeah!  Kuk Sul is the most awesome martial arts around!  yeah yeah!
that's the ticket.  too bad this is my last year in school so i guess that
doesn't count.  foo.

	anyways, yeah.  a lot of people think that their martial arts is the
best by far, but opinions are opinions.  if they goto a large open tournament
and win every single award from every level, then who knows.  then they
might be able to state that.

	and why does something neccessarily have to generate a lot of power.
bon soos are just as effective.  (the other day my instructor practically
broke my wrist from this.  student just didn't unsertand it for some time.
of course after that, he then shows off some other variations of this.
it felt oh so good...  egads...)

-lim
From: rcollins@cs.umass.edu (Bob Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Styles in Bloodsport?
Keywords: Monkey KungFu, Frank Dux
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:22:00 GMT
Reply-To: RCollins@cs.umass.edu
Organization: CS Dept, UMass at Amherst
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   >>(Ken Ferguson) writes:
   >>
   >>      That was monkey Kung Fu. The person you saw was none other 
   >> than the great Paulie Zink. A monkey Kung Fu master.

 > Richard A. Drury:
 > I haven't seen Blood Sport in a long time, but I recall the monkey
 > stylist was non-Caucasian whereas Zink is a white guy.  Then again,
 > my aging memory could be playing tricks again.  Anyone else know
 > for sure (about the monkey stylist, not my memory)?


I just watched Bloodsport again, and the "monkey stylist" was
a tall black man, and I didn't see the name Paulie Zink in the
credits.  I have seen a short Caucasian playing Monkey KungFu
in some movie -- it may have been "BloodFist".

I mistakenly posted earlier that there are Monkey KungFu scenes
in a Chinese film called "Fists of the White Lotus", but on
further reflection I think I am mistaken -- occupational hazard
from watching too many movies having basically the same plot.
"Fists of the White Lotus" does depict ACUPUNCTURE as a 
full-contact martial art (no, I'm not kidding).

By the way, Frank Dux is listed in the credits of Bloodsport
as fight scene coordinator, and special trainer to Van Damme.

  --Bob Collins
  --RCollins@cs.umass.edu
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From: shane@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Shane Brown)
Subject: Re: ****** Help with flexibility *****
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Organization: University of Queensland. Oz.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:33:50 GMT

In article <c8908461.715827078@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au>,
c8908461@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Robert Lang) wrote:
> 
> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
> 
> 
> >In article <1992Sep5.041338.23455@cc.umontreal.ca> cholette@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Cholette Martin) writes:
> 
> 
> [ lots of good stuff about stretching ]
> 
> In addition to all that, I've recently aimed at increasing my stretch and
> it is dramatically increasing.
> 
> my plan : morning dynamic stretches & 3 times a week or more complete
> dynamic & static stretch workout.
> 
> I read in a book "Stretching Scientifically"...haven't got the book here
> so don't know the author....that morning stretches help the
> soreness a lot.
> 
> I agree...my stretch is improving and I'm seldom sore....and it makes
> you feel good ("loose") all day after a 10 minute stretch when you
> first get up.
> 
> Chow,
> 
> Robert.

Howdy folks,
    My fabulous, guaranteed guarantee, "some refuse to be inflexible"
strategem is really quite simple. Do not allow yourself to watch
that brain-death promoting, cathode ray-gun, consumer producer that
some call the TeeV, unless you are stretching at the same time.
Works for me. Not only do you gain flexibility, but you also watch
less television, because half the time you are facing the floor or the
ceiling stretching a hammy, or whatnot.
    Of course, this only works if you watch TeeV. If you are into
watching videos, then put the remote control 6 inches past your toes, then
attempt to grasp it while doing a double leg hamstring stretch (before
you start the video). Remember, cheaters never win. This strategy also
works for short-sighted book worms.
    ...and if all else fails, you can start stretching at age eight and
never stop (like me 8). OK, so I'm stretching the bounds of credibility...
oops, that one was really reaching......

Cheers, Shane.


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From: c8908461@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Robert Lang)
Subject: Re: *********************** Help with flexibility ****************
Organization: Uni of Newcastle, Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:03:34 GMT

chungy2@aix.rpi.edu (Yau Felix Chung) writes:

>Could someone explain dynamic and static stretching?....Thanks...

Dynamic is with movement, static is not.

ie. swing your leg up to the front as high as you can and that is dynamic,
go into the splits and that is static.

When doing dynamic stretches, don't "throw" your body around...control your
movement with your muscles.  This prevents injury and improves the stretching
effect.

>-F.

Robert.
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Model Mugging (long)
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:09:11 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <ADRIAN.92Sep15160515@duncan.robots.ox.ac.uk> adrian@robots.ox.ac.uk (Adrian Cox) writes:
> [fighting back] increased the chance of
>surviving and of avoiding rape.  I believe this comes from UK crime
>statistics, and may be because guns are very, very rare here and
>knives uncommon in sexual attacks.

They may have been using UK statistics, but this is also true for 
the United States. The details, however, don't show up well in
the statistics I've seen: The severity of injury wasn't tabulated.
It's possible a victim who fights back is less likely to be injured,
but if injured would suffer more serious damage. However, an 
attempted rape is _much_ less likely to be completed if the victim
fights back, so this sounds like a good tactic to me...

(By the way, whether or not the criminal is armed isn't that big
of an issue: In the case of crimes where the attacker is armed,
like a mugging, fighting back doesn't significantly increase one's
chances of injury but does decrease the lieklyhood of the crime
being completed.)

The FBI's Uniform Crime Report includes all this data...
 
>Also, remember that a large proportion of sexual assaults are
>committed by someone the victim knows.

I'm not sure how crime figures are compiled in the UK, but the
phrase, "known by the victim" is very misleading when used in
American statistics: It includes anyone the victim could 
recognize (people who commute to work on the same bus, the
clerks at local stores, etc...)

                                      Frank Crary
                                      CU Boulder
From: zhou@solb1.essex.ac.uk (Zhou J)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: News time!!
Keywords: San Da test tournaments in China.
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:01:21 GMT
Reply-To: zhou@essex.ac.uk (Zhou J)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

Here are two pieces of news I read on the official Chinese government propaganda
newspaper "China Daily" overseas edition of 9,9,1992. 

News No.1: Seven of the finest martial-artists in Taiwan martial-arts community
are coming to Beijing to attend the "Wu city muslims cup" (I don't know what
this thing is. J) san shou free fighting test tournament to be held in Beijing 
on 17,9,92. The aim of this tournament is to provide the opportunities for
fighters from both sides of the Straite to pair up and fight as well as enhance 
exchange of skills.  Although the Chinese martial-arts in Taiwan and mainland 
are of the same origin,  differences have emerged among many common features
during their developement due to geographical and historical reasons. Therefore
the rules are modified so that Taiwan fighters would get a better chance to
give a better performance and hopefully the fights would be more competitive and
exciting. The fighters from the mainland side are the champions in the national
tournaments.

News No.2: In Guilin the chinese wu shu laitai eliminate fights are to be
restarted after a stopage of nearly half a century( Leitai as I understand
it, is a round platform a couple meters above the ground. Traditionally chinese
martial art tournaments were held on a Leitai and the one who could hold
onto it to the end would be the champion. Supposedly there were no rules).
The first holders of the Leitai's are to be some of the very best free fighting
players in Guangxi Province.  Only fights under 60kg categories are to be
organised this time.  Fights are to be held in 19,9,1992---24,9,1992.


The above is anedited translation of the original news articles and I have
no knowledge of anything more than what's been included above. Please don't
ask me for details or anything. I am just trying to inject some news. Any
opinions or information from people who know better are welcome.

Cheers

Joey
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From: nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst")
Subject: Attitudes (wasRe- Silent or 
Distribution: world
Organization: IE Technical Services Holland
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:31:04 +0000


In article <MHIRSCH.92Sep10113435@dynastar.princeton.edu> mhirsch@dynastar.princeton.edu writes:

>
>Have you ever seen the video of Morehei Ueshiba (O'Sensei, to
>aikidoka) from around 1935 or so?  It's an early sound film.
>
>At one point about 6 students grab him and push (or hold, or
>something)  He stands their, then emits a really bizarre kiai that
>sounds a little like an eagle but weirder, and they all fall down.
>Whatever motion O'Sensei makes is very small.
>
>"Spooky" is a fairly accurate description of his cry.
>--
Unfortunately the only version of this I have ever seen was on
television.  There it was shown silent, with a commentary overdaubbed.
The fact that there was a kiai made explains a lot, the movement
never did seem enough for the effect.

Do you know if it is possible to get hold of the video at all?
Really I would need it in PAL format, but could get it transferred
from NTSC if that is the only format I can get it in.

Regards
Nigel
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From: rakoczynskij@gtephx.UUCP (Jurek Rakoczynski)
Subject: Re: NEW MARTIAL ART FOR STREET NOT THE DOJO
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:04:13 GMT

In article <3SEP92.17561777@skyfox.usask.ca> hayesj@skyfox.usask.ca writes:
> NOW THERE IS A MARTIAL ART DESIGNED FOR THE STREET NOT THE DOJO
> NOW THERE IS A MARTIAL ART DESIGNED FOR THE STREET NOT THE DOJO
> This new Martail Art deals with the reality and finality of street confontations

I think of all you MA's are *REALLY* too hard on this freshman.  Why he
has probably attend 1 or 2 classes (or video sessions) and is half way
to getting a black belt.  

He has certainly learned faster then I have on developing this kind of
confindence.

For the humor impaired:
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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Attitudes (wasRe- Silent or
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:25:37 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <MHIRSCH.92Sep10113435@dynastar.princeton.edu> mhirsch@dynastar.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:
>>>>>> On 9 Sep 92 22:26:01 GMT, nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst") said:
>
>NB> In article <SCHAN.92Sep9085800@birch.srg.af.mil> schan@birch.srg.af.mil writes:
>
>>        Kiai-jutsu was supposed to be a very real thing "back in the good old
>>days" ( BITGOD ?). At the Karate/Kenjutsu dojo where I used to train, we were
>>told that the system had 7 different kiai. There was a kiai to create an
>>opening during your opponent's attack, a kiai to help you generate power, a
>>certain kind of victory/exhultation kiai, etc...
>>        As someone else pointed out, a Real Kiai (tm) is much more than just
>>loud - it's supposed to be sorta "spooky", because it doesn't sound like a
>>noise that human beings make.
>>
>
>Have you ever seen the video of Morehei Ueshiba (O'Sensei, to
>aikidoka) from around 1935 or so?  It's an early sound film.
>
>At one point about 6 students grab him and push (or hold, or
>something)  He stands their, then emits a really bizarre kiai that
>sounds a little like an eagle but weirder, and they all fall down.
>Whatever motion O'Sensei makes is very small.

Yes, I have seen this. Even through a little, tinny, TV set speaker
it was downright creepy. I thought it sounded more like a cat of
some kind, myself. People aren't supposed to make sounds like that ;-).

Steve
From: shane@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Shane Brown)
Subject: Re: Starting Martial Arts...
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Organization: University of Queensland. Oz.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:45:19 GMT

In article <18guf1INNpv6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E.
Wiegner) wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi! I live in cleveland and I'm thinking of starting martial arts.
> I want an art that is not pure offense or pure defense. I would like
> to use my full body not just my hands or my feet. Could some people
> send me their opinion as to what I should take? Thanks...
> CW

G'Day Carlin,
    I think you've pretty much included every martial art there is
with your full-body criteria (apart from boxing, but I won't even touch 
the boxing is/isn't an MA thread). As for an art that is pure offense,
I think you'd be hard pushed to find anyone out there teaching
something that can only be used to attack. Same goes for the defense,
although Aikido is (I'm told) a very "other responsive" art. There
are differences, but I don't think any MA's could be polarized in such
a way.
    Shop around. I don't know how many times I've read in this group
that it's not so much the style that's important, but the quality of
the tuition. I'm into Ju-Jutsu, which is very "whole body", including
throws, locks, kicks, punches, elbows, knees (etc. etc. ad nauseum).
However,I'm hardly about to say that it's the best for you,  because 
there are usually X billion means of achieving an end, each with it's
own pros/cons. I happen to think that my dojo is great, but there 
could be really shitty Ju-Jutsu tuition being given in other places
(hope not though).
     Hopefully there's a Cleveland netlander out there who knows
of a really great place to train. Otherwise you can go and check out
a few places, find out about costs and equipment and see if you like what
they do.
     Happy hunting, Shane.
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From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
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Subject: Aikido Seminar w/I. Shibata
Summary: October 3-4 Seminar in Portland with Shihan I Shibata
Keywords: Aikido Portland Shibata
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:18:03 GMT
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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan)
Subject: Re: Power and Internal MA (Re: Boxing and Kicks)
Organization: ARINC Research
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:46:22

In article <1992Sep8.162941.27669@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:

   By the way, alot of "real" martial arts (most of the internal ones
   I know of)

	"Real" as in the "real seal"? As in milk? As in dairy product? As in
cream? As in whipped cream? As in "dessert topping"?

   don't use kicks much at all. Those they do use, tend to
   be low and cover only a short distance. This gives up alot of the
   power of other types of kicking, in exchange for better control.

	I think that you end up with the same power, but it much harder to
develop the internal style power generation - my exposure to internal systems
seems to emphasize late commitment, and generating power in the smallest
possible movement. If you have early commit, and big motions, it's much easier
for a trained opponent to break your timing. Power is sacrificed in the
beginning so that you have a much more "inscrutable" method of generating it
later on.

--
	Stephen Chan
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