HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: CFMN?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:47:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.232922.5013@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>Only idiots like you get fooled by the above noble intentions, If you
>note a little bit about what the CIA has done to the South american
>countries, the philipines and even in China (during Tiennamen for
>example), you know a lot of it is just a smoking screen. The true 
>intention is for power play.    
>Just for your info, CIA financed coup in Peru in the 60's,
>CIA was involved in overthrowing of Marcos in the philipines,
>CIA was around Tienanmen in 1989(5 groups in fact).

The world is a reality. However different people have different
view to it. Ordinary people peer life, judge things according to
ordinary standard. CIA, KGB and China's Ministry of National Security
all have their view about the world. They believe they are smarter
than ordinary people. But ordinary people don't need to be that smart.

I judge a person from my view. I don't have to look at his personal
file, his marriage history or how he behaves in his bedroom.
It is irrelavent. I don't think FBI can manipulate American
election no matter how powerful they are. I don't think CIA
could make one million Chinese people to demonstrate. I don't think CIA
could make tens of thousands oversea Chinese to protest their
own government.

If you don't believe so, ask yourself: am I manipulated by someone?
I am certainly not. Do you mean people who are not CIA, KGB or
Chinese National Security are all fools?

>You know China is poor, but the majority of the people have
>benefited greatly from open door policy. CMFN only hurts
>ordinary people. Your life is comfortable now, and you have
>become semi-american, so you can care less about the people
>in China. Is this moral?

CMFN will directly hurt decendents of CCP high officials.
Human right abuse directly hurt ordinary Chinese people.
As a person from ordinary Chinese, I think human right is more
important than MFN. You are entitled to hold your view.
I believe I am moral.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuxia@wam.umd.edu (New VaxHacker)
Subject: advanced parole
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:29:13 GMT

I am currently on an H1 visa and don't have an I94 form. I am
planning to go to Canada for a few days and would like to get
an advanced parole in order to come back. In normal cases, 
people on F1 visas just go and get it as they have I94s. But
in my case, how can I get one? Or is it possible at all? What
are the potential problems? 

Please send me mail as I don't read scc often. Thanks. 

liuxia@wam.umd.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:31032 soc.culture.hongkong:14833 soc.culture.taiwan:15536
From: kai@unix.cie.rpi.edu (Kai Yang)
Subject: Re: What are the first ten best cars in the world? How about best-buys?
Organization: CIE, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:59:53 GMT

In article <19NOV199213025924@jane.uh.edu> mece1us@jane.uh.edu writes:
>I had very good discussion with a chinese gay ( short term as C) and
                                          ^^^^^
>a French gay (as F below) about world economics and especially about
        ^^^^^
>cars. C thought that

You probably want to say Chinese guy and French guy. Don't be confused
between "gay" and "guy".  :-)
From: ong_mang@iastate.edu (sleeping_dragon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Picture of Romance of the Three Kingdoms characters
Keywords: Romance of the Three Kingdoms
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:46:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bxxzpw.8B3
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA


	Please somebody tell me from where and how to get the picture of  Romance of the Three Kingdoms characters (Liu Bei, Tsao Tsao, etc.)?
	Thanks in advance!

	    ong_mang	    
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30652 talk.politics.china:2755
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: A tip on car maintenance
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:57:22
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: blackjack.ai.mit.edu

{Disclaimer: This article was originally posted to other news group,
 it is reposted verbatim with the hope that this news group might find it
 informative.  The view contained in this article is the author's.}

[An air cleaner to a car functions a gauze mask to a man, and one should
 replace the "content" of the cleaner periodically.]

Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
From: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Subject: Re: ECC-IV codes?
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:03:09 GMT

dilmore@cray.com (Robert J. Dilmore) writes:
> I have been working on a freinds 87 turbo coupe for the last few days
> the car has 100+ miles on it and he has done nothing ...
> ...  an air cleaner with a dead mouse in it, ...

That's your problem!  Replace the dead mouse with a *live* mouse and
your driveablility problems will be solved.

Note:  I *always* replace *my* mouse at 25,000 miles or two years,
       - whichever comes first.
From: slu@yoko.rutgers.edu (shen lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: visit usa
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:27:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Dear netters:
     My folks want to visit us in the near future. I am on H-1 status.
     What kind of documents should I be prepared for my parents to
     apply for extry visa, and what kind of visa they should apply 
     (B-2 ?)?
     Is it more easy if you are F-1 holder?

     Thanks in advance.



     reply:    slu@yoko.rutgers.edu
From: wshi@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Weiping Shi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IBM's Hiring Policy, Info needed
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:08:42 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas

All large companies, such as IBM and AT&T, do have to follow
the Department of Commerce regulation that they are not allowed
to let people without PR from communist countries
to access certain facilities in their company
(the definition of "communist countries" is
in a list made by the Department of Commerce, and PRC is the first
on the list).  These facilities often include their computer
systems, and vary from place to place.   For some places
such as Murray Hill and Yorktown Heights,  it is virtually
impossible to hire PRC citizen, unless you have a green card.
But, there are exceptions.  If they really want you,
they can do something like to start processing your
PR paper before they hire you.  So technically, when they hire you,
you are already PR-to-holder.  But it is lengthy and expensive,
so unless the technical people push very hard, their personnel
people will not do it.  I suggest you contact their technical people
directly, instead of going through their recruiters.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:29:52 EST
From: <3332701@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CFMN?
 <1992Nov16.232922.5013@tamsun.tamu.edu>
 <1992Nov20.022040.20353@marlin.jcu.edu.au> <Bxzzpu.H5y@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>

Please use 'I/my', 'He/his' or 'she/her' instead of 'you/yours' to refer an ass
umed person. We can avoid some emotional fight by putting ourself in other ones
' shoes.
From: yang@dante.cs.uiuc.edu (Der-Shung Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shannon Yeh Project, Please READ !!
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:53:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Nov18.165325.13652
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

xtian@cs1.bradley.edu (Xiaoling Tian) writes:

>In <BxvMp7.9MI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> root@netix.com (root@netix.com) writes:


>>Apologies from the Shannon Project, Super Computing Center of UCI.
                                                                ^^^
>>2). However, due to our negligence, the mentality programmed into 
>>Shannon was no longer a Chinese, instead, by mistake, we 
>>programmed the hybrid mentality of an anonymous Chinese and that
>> of a subset of David Duke.  It therefore had immense hatred toward 
>>any foreign residents, including those of Chinese origin.

>If your UIUC can programme out so smart project I think your school can
         ^^^^
>get next Nobel Prize in AI.

It's UCI (U. of Calif. at Irvine?), not UIUC (U. of Illinois at 
Urbana-Champaign).  Hmmm, maybe UIUC is more famous? :-)

--
DerShung Yang    
yang@cs.uiuc.edu 
Beckman Institute
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Chinese Movies/Videos Are Garbages
From: <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:50:25 EST
Organization: Penn State University

 According to the World Daily, Li Renhuang, the politburo member of CCP, was
 disappointed of all video/audio/movies products in the market (so were all
 ordinary people). He called these products as garbages.

 Question: What else could chinese writers/directors produce other than gabages
 in that environment.

 I remember many years ago that ``The First Blood'' was critisized as being too
 violent. Then ``Mississippi Burnning'' was accused of praising FBI agents (in
 chinese leader's mind there is not even one good guy in the USA). ``Judou''
 was considered as showing foreigners chinese people's ass .....

 People are not allowed write this, write that... So they could only provide
 garbages.

 Peter

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30653 talk.politics.china:2756
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: zhou en-lai and his chara
Date: 21 Nov 92 02:36:11 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <By0xCx.B47@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Chuyu Xiong wrote:
>In article <102695@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>(deleted)
>In fact, when the authors
>of the paper "Three means Chaos" decided to use the title, they intentionally
>chose this title which was borrowd from Lao Zi.

Well, we all know DELTA-romance means chaos, a lot of uncertainity, instability
and fractal stuffs. However, Dr. ME was never involved in such stuff, and his
sentence only emphasized the importance of zero, instead of 3. I won't mind
to credit chaos theory to Dr. Me, after his patent of zero is granted:-)

>The longer I think, the more
>respect I have to this statement. Lao Zi dose not stoped at Three by chance.
>He has a very deep reason to do so.

Please tell us more on what you think. It must be very inetresting.  I am
ready to be convinced, and glad to have another LaoZi expert to Qin Jiao
in addition to Xiaoyu.

>Perhaps, this statement also has something to do with politics. 
>Chairman Mao thought it is good enough to know the two sides of "Mao Dun" and
<their strugles. That is to say "Two generates everything". But, another CCP scholar
<Yang XianZhen thought there is another thing called "He" of two sides. One
<cannot overlook such a "He". So, that is to say "Three generates everything". Which
<one is more correct? "Lao Li", perhaps, you have more to say about this.

Thanks for invitation:-) But this example does not work. Both Lao Mao and
Xiao Yang regarded everything in this world as consisting of two sides. Their
difference, if any, is the primary relation between these two sides: Lao Mao
believed the primary relation was strugle and always yielded to "Yi Feng Wei Er"
(one divided into two). Xiao Yang did not object to this, but only said, some-
times the relation may be "He", compromise or harmony, hence there is a
"He Er Wei Yi" (two merged into one) mechanism existing. So, none of them
reached three:-) 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang)
Subject: Re: Taiwan News (late)
Followup-To: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:18:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.044910.15500@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>The same case applies to the term "Mountain People" in Taiwan to describe
>aborigines.  The aborigines dislike that epithet; 

What term do the aborigines in Taiwan prefer to call themselves?

Just curious.....
From: ck883@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Zheng Cung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time for CCP to Change - was CMFN
Date: 19 Nov 1992 03:21:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Day-dreaming!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: Political Prostitutes or Democractic Activitists  ?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:59:40 GMT

In article <Bxx3BH.IFJ@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>
>	I don't think there will be more counterrevolutionaries in the 
>future if the society's attention is more focused on money instead of
>politics, including the slogans of democracy.  It is hard to bring
>down CCP by street demonstrations, but it is easier to do that by
>corruption and economic development, like what happened in Taiwan
>(KMT was not so much different from CCP).
>
>	The point is that you will be labeled as counterrevolutionary 
>if you make efforts in politics.  But it is *extremely* unlikely if
>you are a successful business person.  Five or six years ago, the
>situation was not as good as now.  But even then, when hardliners
>purgues a big patch of successful business people, they were all
>brought down by tax-evations, personal scandals, etc..  Nobody
>was brought down by counterrevolutionary charges.

The actual charge here is irrelevant to the point I was originally trying
to make. I used "counterrevolutionary" because I wanted to be specific
in the example I was giving. It really doesn't matter what the charge is. 
When you can be charged with anything by a government official and you have
no way of fighting that charge, you lose automatically. For instance, what
was Wei Jingsheng charged with? Not with seeing thru communist propaganda
a la Deng and exposing it for what it is, but for providing the enemy with
secret information. In any real court of law, Wei could have shown these
charges to be lame, but he's still in jail today. In fact, due to an 
unexpected delay in the final day of the trial, Wei's sentence was announced
in the media the day before it was handed down! OK, Wei was not a business
man. But have the courts changed? And don't you think some businessmen
will end up in court?

>
>	The point is that MFN is a trade relation, it is NOT a good tool
>promoting human rights.  Trade itself is a good tool promoting human
>rights, since it brings economic development and gradual education
>to people of the concepts of human rights.
>
>	In case you insist MFN should be used to promote human rights,
>try to attach same conditions to *all* the countries that have same
>or worse human rights conditions.  (Then you would realize how bad
>this would lead to, I hope.)
>

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I may be), but wasn't the whole idea of Most
Favored Nation status developed in the first place so that the U.S. could
use the US market as a lever to force other nations to meet certain
human rights conditions? In other words, I think the whole reason for
MFN is to tie trade to human rights.

Why is the idea of forcing the CCP to release political prisoners so bad? 
I really don't understand the opposition to that proposal.

>
>
>    Eddie

Mark
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: What do we Chinese celebrate? (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
    <1992Nov19.144014.12003@ms.uky.edu> <BxzGHy.A90@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:11:17 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:

>who do not respect working people demand 20 hours per day work. I think
>it is criminal to do that. You mean your 20 hr work demand is to respect
				    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
					I am not an employer yet.
>the working people?

>The 8 hour working schedule has been fought by working people for so
>many generations. It is now the law of many countries. Those kids who
>do not receive care and love from their immediate parents will have 
>all kind of problems. Why do you think your scientific project, your
>prestige, your ego, and your political ambition are more important than 

Because, a lot of people need to work hard for living, that dosen't mean
they need an ego, they work hard for their children's future. That is a very
common problem in this world.
Few want to send their children to die in the war, but what can you do? This
is the world. So, don't blame hard working people.
If you care their children, you know where you can donate some money for
their education, Professor.

>your children? What has this to do with any citizenship? Citizenship
>is only important when you go for voting.

And go for war.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xin@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Gary Xin Hua)
Subject: Roommate Wanted in San Antonio Conf.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:15:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: xin@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Gary Xin Hua)
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA


-----------------------------------------------------
   Looking for female mathematian to share room 
         in San Antonio Conference.

       Headquater Hotel(MRIVERCENTER),  
            Jan. 12 - Jan. 16.  
         $92/day ($46/day each person).  

       If interested, call Gao, Qinglin
               (708)420-3494 (o), 
               (708)416-2116 (h), 
                 leave massage.
------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wsy0745@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Wang Sha Ye)
Subject: Re:FAKE e-mail address, no time to file complaint
Organization: uiuc
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:42:03 GMT

Shannon Yeh wrote:

 
>Some people have been faking my e-mail address for a while.  Technically,
>I could do the same thing, but I do NOT like the idea.  Since they do it
>again and again, I do not have time to file complaint to their postmasters.

>shannon
-------
1). For one thing, the email, even if it is faked, is from root@netix.com, not fr
not from you, right ? why are you accusing people faking your email ?

2).  Even if this mail is indeed faked, I would rather see this mail 1 
million times, instead of seeing "F***ing D.Y.'s mother 1 million times"

3).  You do NOT like the idea (of faking), but rather like the idea of
 writing the message as quoted in #2 above ?

4).  The mail from root@netix, if faked, is not malicious to you at all,
rather it seems to defend for you, asking the forgiveness from the
reader.  you should be happy,  dumb mad dog!

4).  asking other ones email account be closed seems to be your pleasure
I hope your own will be one day.

I would if I am the sysadm. of your company, after the posting of 1 millin
1 billion times post.

by the way, I trust the mail in the root@netix, because if you are a 
real human, how can you do it 1 million times ? you tell me.
are you psychpathic and with the world's wildest sex drive ?
how can you do it ?

A virtual Chinese on the other hand could, since he never would have
any actions, just lives in the computer anyway, power off, it is gone.
I hope you were like that, then I can permently turn your power off!
 
SY
From: yzhang@crcvms.unl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: You may apply for 1st preference
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:16:17 CST
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
NNTP-Posting-Host: crcvms.unl.edu

According to my experience, it is not difficult to apply for the first
preference and get approved if you are a faculty member and have a resonable
research and/or teaching record.  In fact, several Chinese faculty members in
our university (the University of Nebraska-Lincoln) who applied for the first
preference have received their green cards.  Two advantages of applying the
first preference are: (1) you don't need a labor certificate and (2) the quota
is current.  So the time needed to get a green card through 1st preference is
much shorter than through 2nd or 3rd preference, usually 4 to 6 months, 2 month
for application approval and 2 to 4 months waiting for an interview. 

I would encourage any qualified person to apply for the 1st preference instead
2nd or 3rd.  Your chance to succeed is very high.  

Good luck to all of you.

Y.-K. Zhang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Subject: Re: a piece of "dui4 ou3"
Reply-To: wang@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:08:22 GMT

In article 1e8pl7INN9dq@cat.cis.Brown.EDU, ST403071@brownvm.brown.edu (H. Chen) writes:
>In article <009638E9.7955CD00@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>,
>uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu said:
>>
>>There was an exam problem in the entrance exam of Beida in 1940's which asks
>>for the "dui4 ou3" of "sun1 xing2 zhe3". The standard answer is "zhu3 chong1
>>zhi1". But another answer is the more likely one of a typical Beida's student:
>>"hu2 shi4 zhi1".
>
>I think this happened in Hsing Hua(Qing Hua) U.


Some other students gave various answers, including "zhu1 8 jie4", and
"wang2 8 dan4".  :-)
From: aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: For those who is coming to Cleveland
Date: 19 Nov 1992 23:30:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


If you are planning to come to Cleveland to study and you are single,
I have a extra room for you to share. If interested, e-mail.

-- 
Before you judge the action of a person, THINK!
Re-examine yourself first!  
What have I done to deserve this?  Answer it!
Then, let GOD be the judge of all!
From: smreddy@melkor.lerc.nasa.gov (T Reddy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Info about the Prof. whose tenure was denied...
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:54:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]


Hi Folks,

One of my freinds tenure is in question and we beleive it could be
due to his not being white (he is of Asian Indian origin). We are trying 
to fight it with the univ. on the grounds that his race was the reason for
denial of the tenure. Few months ago similar thing had happened to
a Chinese Prof. at NJIT. Could the person who spearheaded the campaign
for the tenure of the prof. send me email? I need some pertinent
information from that case.

If somebody has any other information regarding that case that might
be useful, please send me email as I am not a regular reader of this
newsgroup.

Greatly appreciate any help in this matter.
 
Urgently need your help.

Thanks.

T. Reddy
smreddy@melkor.lerc.nasa.gov