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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:19:57 -0500
From:         "(Joan Boorstein)" <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Nov. 22, 1963
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Doris says:
> > Out of curiosity, what was everyone else doing on that day?

>On November 22, 1923 I was teaching junior high school in Corpus Christi,
>Texas.  Our school's registrar, who was a practical joker, told us that
>Kennedy had been shot and not a soul believed her.  It was not until a
>couple of other teachers located a radio that we realized that the
>unbelievable had happened.

Sorry to be so far behind -- at least it's before 11/22/93 -- but I was
in my first semester of graduate work at Harvard (Tushar --- to answer
your question --- I did a double major in math & chemistry -- was at
Harvard studying chemistry) -- on that particular Friday afternoon I
was having my required physical exam at the Health Center in Holyoke
Center.  The radio was on and tuned to WHRB-FM(the Harvard University
station) -- when the announcement came on -- I too thought it was a
practical joke -- but hey wait even Harvard would not joke about such a
thing -- unfortunately true.

--- Joan (boorstein%umbsky.dnet@ns.umb.edu)
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Tushar posts:

   I wrote:

   >Definitely Indian names: 283
   >[among them, definitely Indian Muslim names: 191]

   An old vice of mine. I include Pakistan in "India".

   All Pakistan fellows kindly to excuse.

What about Kashmiris...do you or do you not include them?

//anne, bringing current affairs into the fray//
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From:         Joan Boorstein <jboor@MOTE.CS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pleasant forename
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BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU writes:
>>
>> Let me clarify this post.  The first part:
>>
>> >A letter writer to the campus newspaper this week signed (her?)self:
>> >
>> >        Ebonique
>>
>> simply reports an occurrence of a given name that I found interesting.
>> The second part:
>>
>> >Wonder if this will get through....
>> >
>> >brad
>> >UUCP Corps
>>
>> expresses frustration at my inability to post to the list because
>> of the UUCP error messages from AT&T.

The fact your first 'Ebonique' message got through means something is
working somewhere -- when did you make your original posting?  I've
apparently had no trouble posting (but did not try Sunday morning when
Ken's troubles first surfaced) and I wonder if others have.

But why would AT&T's troubles make it so that you can reply to a posting
but cannot send mail directly to words-l?  To me it suggests a problem with
the mailer at your site and is unrelated to AT&T's troubles.

Joan (jboor@cs.umb.edu)
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	Ah, then come to Pittsburgh.  Paul Goldberger once described it as the
	only city with a 'grand entrance.'  Driving in from the airport, one
	travels on I-279 through industrial and commercial areas, winding up
	and down hills.  Then a swoop down into a moderately long tunnel and
	VOILA!  One emerges coming face-to-face with the Golden Triangle

Amen.  That is impressive, especially after dark.  I also commend a trolley
ride to Station Square and a trip up the incline with a camera, tripod, and
cable release.  Great skyline pictures from the little park at the incline
station.  Another great view is from the dome car of the eastbound *Capital
Limited*. First you wind back and forth along the banks of the Ohio river
passing under signal gantries spanning three or four tracks; then you
climb through the northwestern suburbs, and downtown comes into view
as your train rolls across the Fort Wayne bridge and into the
station.

Steve Karlson

Jeez, maybe I should Amtrak east to the Sail Expo in Atlantic City.
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Judith: Maybe Ruth made the first hit, but it seems that the return fire set
off her fuel tanks...

Ruth: I have to wade in here with the opposition. I find it extremely
disturbing that someone claims an ability to decide what I do with my life
based on their own interpretation of an amazingly ambiguous book. As it is,
anyone who claims to take literally both the Gospel and Paul is IMHO admitting
that God is (oxy)moronic or that they have an extra brain lobe in another
dimension.
     The Constitution was written so that the adherents of no one religious
creed to remake the country to their own image--or at least not easily--and
while what _that_ meant may have changed in a couple of centuries, it is part
of the genius of that document that its strictures are still applicable in
very changed circumstances. Because Hindus are very offended by the killing of
cows, does that mean that they can have beef commercials banned? If fundy
Moslems are distraught by the sight of unveiled females, does that mean they
have a write to amend any local constitution so that any ban on discrimination
against women with bare heads would be illegal?
     Or more equivalent--if atheists ruled a state, would it be okay for them
to say that any county or city cannot ban discrimination against practicing
adherents of any sect (including Christians).
     Legislate unto others as you would have them legislate unto you.

                 blomberg cepeda    st402747@brownvm
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>his early days.  It seems to me this postcard took longer than one might
>have expected to make the journey.  Perhaps awestruck mail carriers at

        Yes indeedy...  Mine arrived while Judith was still gallivanting around
        Mississippi.  It's taken an honored place on my office door, below the
        "Is this Heaven?  No, Iowa." bumper sticker from the Field of Dreams
        and next to the "'Not a morning person' doesn't even begin to cover it"
        button.

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From: droby@NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU
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Subject: Re: The fat lady sings today
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              03 Nov 92 10:53:47 EST." <9211031057.aa13957@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU:
>>Yes, some people actually have a paid holiday today. A woman I know from
>>another net-list told me she wouldn't be at work today because she works for
>>University of Kentucky and they have a paid holiday today. Looking at the lin
>es
>>at the polls that ain't such a bad idea!
>>
>>Scarlett
>
>  I can't believe that only the University of Kentucky is this
>  enlightened, to give its scholars and workers the day off to
>  ponder their choices and make their way to the polls.  Please,
>  other respondents report in!
>
>  brad

Tufts is not so enlightened.  I took it as a vacation day because it
was both election day and my 40th birthday.

- RobyMeister (why is my nickname longer than my name, Czarina?)
From: gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK (Graham Toal)
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Date: 5 Nov 92 23:20:03 GMT
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	I know, I got lost on the L and ended up on the Southside once, but
	I lived.  I was talking in this context about the *skyline*....

I stayed in the south side of Chicago one night. First time I'd ever
seen a MacDonald's putting up steel shutters when they closed. (Early).

Hotel was very 1920's.  Bismark I think it was called.  Something
German anyway.

G
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:52:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      discrimination (was Xtian bash)

>If we're discussing a private organization, such as the Scouts, refusing to
>allow some classes of people to join, that is different.  ...
>if the Scouts ... lose members or social status for indulging in
>their prejudices, that's the price they pay for indulging in
>their prejudices.

: All true, and all just as applicable to employment.  Yet most western
: countries these days prohibit most discrimination in employment, and
: most people seem to support such prohibition.  Is there a relevant
: difference between an organisation like the Boy Scouts and one like
: General Motors ?

I don't have an answer for that one, Tony.  It's not clear to me
exactly what hiring policies "most people support."  Any takers?

Steve Karlson

Luff 'em and leave ;em
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:42:37 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
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              10 Nov 1992 13:17:19 CST from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:17:19 CST Natalie Maynor said:
>> every time. My question is: Think it means anything?
>
>The only places I wear hose (that's stockings for you yankees) in the
>summer is to weddings and funerals.  That may be related to your question.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Also, the "Wedding March" and the "Funeral March" have the same beat.

Evelyn
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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 16 Tons
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> ain't no high-toned woman make me walk the line..."

>(I'm so mean because I was nurtured in a patch of wild bamboo
> by a carnivore, and no pretentious female will alter my behavior.)

>John "I owe my soul to the Desert Schools Credit Union" W.
<sigh>

That's what I get for accepting someone else's transcription...

judith
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Posted on 4 Nov 1992 at 12:55:17 by tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU

>>>Also pundit, guru, and brahmin.
>>
>>Hmmm...maybe you should add pajama to that list?
>
>Jungle, bunglow, chutney, verandah etc, you know. I wonder how many
>of these words are so standard that they don't sound even the least
>bit "exotic". I'd say only "jungle" and "pyjama". I'd also say that
>"mulligatawney" is not a very standard word.

The only ones that sound non standard or at all Indian to me are
chutney and mulligatawney.  And even then they are no more exotic
than other food words like nan or curry.  Even juggernaut has become
absorbed - one thinks of political machines rather than literal carts.

Tony H.
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Posted on 7 Nov 1992 at 09:23:54 by Natalie Maynor
>I think we've discussed this before, but am I the only one who tends to
>overlook responses that extract from an earlier note and start the response
>without skipping a line?

We *did* discuss this before, because I remember that Dan tried to defend
this practice, and changed when his defense was unsuccessful. :)  This is
one of my big e-gripes--I feel like I waste a lot of time having my eye
roam around the page in search of the beginning of the response.

Karen
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (67)
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On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:42:00 JST, "Akio Tanaka" <TANAKA@JPNSUT20.BITNET> wrote:
> Neal,
>
> I didn't glean it, because I knew about it.  In Japanese baseball,
> it is used thus: 'tekisasu sei no hitto' (hit of Texan nature).
> Japanese baseball terms are a mixture of English, Japanese English
> and Japanese.

*Plonk*!  Nice one, Akio... :-)

>  2) Do-goody-two-shoes pc-policing (Graham)
"Goody two-shoes" - a person who does 'charitable acts' primarily for
the selfish satisfaction of having helped someone worse off than themselves.

"PC Police" - people who adhere to a *very* strict left-wing party line
about appropriate language.  I used to think these people were straw men
put up by the right-wing to make fun of, but there are a couple of them
spouting off on soc.bi just now.  We're currently running the classic
words-l argument of whether language changes to suit its users or whether
forced language change can force change in beliefs.  You can guess which
side I'm on.

>  6) Radon House (Ruth H.)

The joke involved here is that Radon is a radioactive gas that builds up
in the cellars of old houses built on granite.  It's also a washing powder,
and laundry is often done in cellars.  The original text was meant to
be "Random House", a publisher.

>  9) Soufk lundin accent (Graham)
See previous gleanings of 'Nor Flundon'  /th/->/f/ is a common translation
of phonemes here in common speech.

> 11) To make Chalk-O's (Doris)
Typos done in chalk.

> 15) ROFLMAO! (Rita R.)
Rolling on the floor laughing my arse off, perhaps?

G
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Date: 7 Nov 92 03:09:04 GMT
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	I'm ungrateful.  Btw, G, I've often voted Republican, and I'm not a
	Christian at all -- and I did *not* appreciate your uninformed bait
	about Clinton getting most of his campaign money from jews: I do expect
	higher standards from you, heaven alone knows why.

That wasn't baiting; I wanted to know if it was true.  It was reported
in the press here and I was under the impression that the many librarians
on this list would have access to the statements of funding put out
by the candidates.  I still haven't heard an answer.  Does anyone know
how Clinton's campaign funding breaks down?

Are you saying it's an invalid question to ask?  I expected higher
standards from you bayla, not double standards.

G
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Cut it out/ question
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	The next person on this list to randomly quote something I've said
	in the past is setting his/her fine self up for a boot to the head.
	It's as annoying as cat piss.

That is a *great* cue for a certain comment of Rita's about public right
of access to old postings, and the Usenet CDs, but I have *far* too
much respect for the integrity of my head to *dare* risk getting it
back off the CDs... :-)

G (who happens to know that Sterling.com don't honor Cancel notices,
yuk yuk yuk)
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:28:42 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Mechanics of Response Style (was Re: amendment 2)
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: I think we've discussed this before, but am I the only one who tends to
: overlook responses that extract from an earlier note and start the response
: without skipping a line?  I don't overlook them if they're the total
: response, but I do if they're in the form of

What you mean is 'ruth's postings are unreadable' I suspect.  I certainly
skip 90% of them for the very reason you give, although being able to
recognise her style instantly makes it a lot easier to recognise her
postings quickly and skip them anyway on the grounds of being totally
content-free.

So don't worry about it.  You're not missing much.

G
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> >  There are even others of us who are of Welsh descent on the list.  Enjoy.
> >
> > doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
>
> I, for one, am of Welsh descent, or so they say.
> --ggs (also, you all remember, I'm sure, the first cousin removed
> about fourteen times, of the youngest president of the U.S. at the
> time he was elected (?)....  George the First)

Me, too...with grandparents born Jones, Thompson, and Davis...but no
presidents.
ndh
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From:         "Lisa J. Gilmore" <TSLGILMORE@CC.WEBER.EDU>
Subject:      paleologic & neologic
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What the hell does "paleologic and neologic" mean?  I can't find it in
the two dictionaries that I have access to.  Context is:

Vision and high fantasy are not lower but higher modes of reasoning,
involving a magical synergy that goes beyond paleologic _and_ neologic.

Thanks in adv...   LJG
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Professional Activities on Electronic Networks
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> would you reference something you have come across on the nets - say,
> on WORDS-L? What form would this take and how could anyone double-check?

I haven't kept up with the latest discussion on this topic.  Various lists
have been talking about it for years now.  If I ever want to cite something
from a list, I'll either check the archives of some of the lists that have
discussed it to see whether a consensus was reached or I'll make up my own
form.  Probably the latter.  I don't worry all that much about bibliographic
form unless what I'm submitting is camera-ready copy and has to be in a
specific style.  Otherwise, I figure the journal editor or whoever can
doctor it up appropriately.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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              03 Nov 92 09:21:45 EDT." <9211030926.aa13499@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>:
>Re:  Henry and Harry Morgan
>
>There's a rule that two actors cannot have the same exact name; that's
>why Harry Morgan had to change his name from Henry to Harry.  That's also
>why Mary Tyler Moore has to use Tyler (there was already a Mary Moore).
>Of course, an actor can have the same name as an actor who has died; that's
>why there are two Harrison Fords (one from the 20's and 30's and one from
>today).
>
>Evelyn

	Paul's stage name when he was in New York was Peter Voigt.
(Voigt was his mother's maiden name.  I'm not sure why Peter...)
There was another Paul Jensen with whom he didn't wish to be confused.
I don't think he was in Actors Equity, so it wasn't required, but he
thought his reputation would suffer from the other guy's work.
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From:         Frank <ST403231@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      November 7
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Speaking of anniversaries, today is November 7, the 75th anniversary of
what used to be called the Great October Revolution in what used to be
called the Soviet Union.  Here at the Slavic House last night we toasted
the fact that this infamous date is no longer celebrated as a holiday
in Russia.  No more parades with goosestepping young soldiers, tanks
and bolshevik rhetoric in front of the granite box housing the wax
doll they call V. I. Lenin.  A lot of the people over last night
were immigrants from Russia, who naturally felt even more strongly
about all that that we American speakers of Russian did.

And to think that there was a time when I thought I would never
live to see this day.  Go figure.

Frank
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I have to agree with Natalie about the sexual aspects of s/bound LSD heading
into the big curve, but I'm shocked that no one has mentioned driving into
San Francisco at night over the Bay Bridge (the Golden Gate has the daytime
vistas, but the BB is definitely the choice for the pm skyline action).

     And no one has mentioned coming into New York from the north on Amtrak,
where the train does a sharp left turn over the Triborough Bridge, laying out
the whole long panorama of Manhattan before you (without the smell, to boot).

     But the best I know is taking a ferry into Seattle at night, as the great
gleaming skyline slowly looms closer to closer, as the ferry slowly enters into
the embrace of the harbor, the lights of Ballard stretching around you to the
north, and West Seattle to the south, all of it twinkling in reflection off the
sound....

     And if there is a full moon..

                  blomberg cepeda     st402747@brownvm
              "From even the greatest of horrors, irony is seldom absent."
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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In a previous article, R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Evelyn) says:

>On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:17:19 CST Natalie Maynor said:
>>> every time. My question is: Think it means anything?
>>
>>The only places I wear hose (that's stockings for you yankees) in the
>>summer is to weddings and funerals.  That may be related to your question.
>>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
>Also, the "Wedding March" and the "Funeral March" have the same beat.
>
>Evelyn
>
In some areas of the country, people throw big parties at both of them.
They'll be throwing a Welcome Home party at mine, someday - hopefully with
a live band and maybe a bar.<grin>  


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