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From: geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Hypnosis tapes
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:33:29 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

A few years ago I bit and bought the $80 set advertised on tv (money back
guarantee). They work pretty well. It got to be a joke at the office; we'd
play them all day (subliminals under music) so we could all listen. Right
after we started, one of my colleagues from another office worked in mine
for about an hour. She came in the next day and recounted the strange story
of having made herself a big ham sandwich late the night before, and caught
herself looking at it and thinking, "I can't eat that much!" and putting
most of it away for her husband--wondering at the same time why she was doing
it. My husband suggested Wendy's for dinner one
night (he's a slender fast-food addict). I said, "I don't want that junk."
Then I said, "Who said that?" I'd catch myself uttering new phrases in terms
of food--like my colleague, "I couldn't possibly eat that much," and then
look around to see who had said that!

I found myself eating smaller portions, and healthier foods, without really
thinking about it. Why did I stop? I lost my job, along with about a million
other middle managers, and just didn't get started again. Think I'll dig them
up, to supplement the WW, of course. This time, I'll probably use my Walkman.

The company also sells individual tapes ( x < $15.00), and I think you can even
have your own affirmations put into tape format. They print the affirmations
on the cassette case, so you can "see" what you're hearing.

I'll look up the name tonight, and post tomorrow. This is not telling everyone
to go out and get them, so no flames please. Just a recounting of my past
experience. Stands to reason that if we constantly replay our own "tapes" of
things people have said to us in the past, we can learn new, positive "tapes"
of our own. 
-- 
P.K.
Geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: More on the 60 Minutes feature
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:27:45 GMT
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System

[This was posted today on the sci.med newsgroup:]

From hermes.chpc.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!think.com!spdcc!dirtydog.ima.isc.com!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!sasquatch!young Fri Jul 24 09:18:58 1992
Article: 20262 of sci.med
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: pjp23+@pitt.edu (Paul J Pival)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: A news/email diet scam?
Date: 26 Jul 92 12:03:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Marie is right!  I sent this message to those of you participating in this
news group, and my intention was to invite you to respond to me if you were
interested in information about the product I mentioned in my message, which
was generic but not posted as a general attempt at solication.  I was aware
that solicitation by news is verboten, but I was not aware that it is verboten
to use e-mail to contact people who might be interested.  I realized, though,
that I might be intruding with my message, and I ask you to forgive me if I
was.  My apologies to Marie and anyone else I have offended with my note.

The program to which I referred does include exercise and caveats against
certain types of food, but it also contains a food supplements which must be
purchased.  Technically, then, the note does solicit business.  If you
e-mailed your address in response to my request and now do not wish me to
mail you the information, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Again, please accept my apologies if I have transgressed here.

Paul                                                                           
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: caffiene
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:55:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.184110.22388@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> abascal@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Liana B. Abascal) writes:
>   A while ago I heard word of mouth from someone who had researched it
>that even though dark roast tastes stronger, it has less caffiene than
>light roast;  it has to do with the process in which they roast the coffee.
>I'm not positive about this but you might want to look into it.

Could be.

>I thought that caffiene was supposed to be an appetite supressant.  It
>was used in diet pills in the past but made people to jittery who weren't
>used to it.  That is why new diet pills with different ingredients
>advertise that they will not make you jittery.

Actually, caffeine isn't an appetite suppressant.  It used to be included
in over-the-counter diet pills along with phenylpropanolamine, a drug
which is related to amphetamine but is not stimulating to the central
nervous system, the rationale being that the caffeine would provide the
missing stimulation.  Such mixtures were deemed misbranded by the FDA
because that combination was never shown to be "safe and effective"
for use in weight loss, so that rather than going to the effort ($$$)
to demonstrate this, the drug manufacturers reformulated their product
to contain only phenylpropanolamine (PPA).

Now, in fact, caffeine does seem to work synergistically with a drug
like PPA in increasing (mildly) the weight lost when taking such
a preparation.   It seems to enhance the "thermogenic" effects of
the drug (i.e., an increase in the number of calories dissipated
as heat in response to eating.)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Roller Skating for Excersie
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:13:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
>Subject: Re: Roller Skating for Excersie
>
>In article <1992Jul29.174306.15763@Cadence.COM> fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson) writes:
>>>
>>I know it's free but at my age (over 50) I seem to fall more on the
>>streets.  And then I have these big sores on my legs when I go water
>>skiing.  But I just might invest in the knee and elbow pads and try
>>it around the block a few times.
>>
>>Fran Peterson
>>
>
>Yes, do invest in them.
>Nothing like skating outdoors, but the
>pads can save you all kinds of pain and suffering.
>(I've fallen a total of 3 times.  Twice pretty hard.
>Scratched up those knee pads real bad.  Not a mark
>on me. :>)
>
 
I think an equally crucial piece of protective gear are the
WRIST GUARDS.  They've saved my hands LOTS of times.  Until you
are going pro, I wouldn't skate without gear.  I sure don't go
out without it.  I may look like "Robo-skater", but it reduces
that fear factor a lot.
 
"A knee is a terrible thing to waste." - Phil Earnhardt
TAMARA
 
>michelle
>
>--
>Michelle Manes          |       "What should I be when I grow up?"
>manes@bass.bu.edu       |       "Honest."
>                        |       -Robert M. Pirsig
>
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From: moiram@sacajawea.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Moira Mallison)
Subject: Re: Glad this group exists
Reply-To: moiram@csc.ti.com
Organization: Computer Science Lab, Texas Instruments
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:45:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.204426.27192@pony.Ingres.COM>, jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger) writes:

>>  having just read "Breaking Free from Compulsive
>> Eating", I'm very curious as to whether anyone has had any success with
>> her program.

Yes.  

>>  I have mixed feelings about her; much of what she says
>> strikes a very responsive chord, and then much of the rest of what she
>> says sounds suspiciously like "Just learn to be comfortable with the way
>> you look and everything will be fine."  

This is specifically not the point of Roth's program.  In the
workbook, "Why Weight?", she describes the stages of breaking free
(which I've posted in the past.  If you want a copy, email me.) In
terms of changes in weight, one usually gains in the 2nd stage,
stabilizes in the 3rd stage, and loses in the 4th stage.  It can take
6 - 9 months or longer to get to the 4th stage.  I'm seeing the first
glimpses of the 4th stage (evidenced by wanting to eat nourishing
food more often than junk food, and having my favorite chocolate
cookies go stale in the cupboard).

I did a workshop with Roth about 15 months ago, where her assistant
told her success story.  Her starting weight was 424; she lost 275 lbs
using Roth's program, and has kept it off for several years.  

>> Also, I confess I was put off by
>> what seemed to be a conscious decision on her part to exclude men from
>> her audience, but, annoying as it is, that's something that we male
>> people just have to put up with, I guess. 

Yeah, I guess it is.  Women put up with exclusionary language all the
time.

Moira
From: lmc@duke.cs.duke.edu (Lynn Mueller Canaday)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: swelling fingers
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:35:25 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


Liana,

When I joined my Health Spa the guide said it was due to having
your hands down and the blood rushing to that area.  It seemed
to make sense to me because it doesn't happen to me anytime
except when I am walking at a fast pace with my hands down.
If I am jogging with my hands up, or doing aerobics it doesn't
happen.  Also I am not a water retainer.  Not even pre menstrual
retension.  I am a heavy sweater.  It doesn't make sense to me
for it to be water retention anyway because if it were it would
happen with any exercise (not just when I had my arms down).
So I really don't know and maybe it is a combination but I am
not convinced it is just water retention.  Whatever the reason
it is annoying but not fatal.

Lynn
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: kallen@unislc.uucp (Karen Allen)
Subject: Last 10 lbs / Losing Control
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:16:10 GMT


Hi!
  I have been reading this group for a while now and would like to introduce
myself..but first I would like to say...I am very motivated by all of your 
contributions to this group and would like to thank all of you for that.  
I have been a yo-yo dieter for about 14 years now, I am 31 years old and have
finally reduced to within 10 lbs of my desired weight.  I have read a few
other posts from folks who seem to be experiencing the same frustrations I
have; I have been restricting my calories to around 1200 per day or less.  I
have been cutting out fat as close to 0% as I can possibly get (never over
10%).  I have a very bland diet which requires that I supplement with 
protein and vitamins because I am very active (aerobics: 30 min every day,
racquetball: 1-2 hours twice a week, weight-lifting: 6 days/wk +
softball twice a week, and rollerblading and horse riding on occasion).
  What I don't understand is...why can't I lose the last 10 pounds?  My body
fat seems to accumulate at the thighs and rear...I have increased the muscle
size in those areas. This is supposed to increase capillaries in the area 
which are supposed to increase the body's ability to tap into the fat 
resources. The circumference is becoming smaller, but the pockets of fat still 
remain.  What influence do hormones have in utilizing fat storage?  How can I
overcome genetics which partially determine why I store fat in pockets rather 
than in even distribution?  
  I am so close to meeting my goal, but I have gone for two months of very
restricted dieting without losing an ounce. I am becoming discouraged and I
am afraid that the first time I allow myself to eat something normal (but
still low in fat ..20%)  I will gain weight again.  By the way, when I say
normal I am refering to recipes in "How to Lower Your Fat Thermostat 
Cookbook".  I try to religiously stick to low fat recipes but never seem to
lose...I just maintain and sometimes even gain in waterweight because I am
sensitive to complex carbohydrates.  So I am scared to eat anything but 
fruit, non-fat cottage cheese, steamed or raw veg's and occasionally chicken.
That's the extent of my diet!!!  When the Domino's Pizza commercial comes on,
my mouth just waters!  I know if I ever took the first bite...I would be
lost again!!
  Anyone have any suggestions?    I'm losing control and I just don't want
to gain it all again (I have lost a total of 30 lbs).

  Thanks!!!

   Karen.
From: larry@angel.UUCP (Larry Tenbush)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: hypoglycemia
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:01:55 GMT
Organization: Angel's Retreat - San Antonio, Texas

From article <BrtnGo.FE@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, by trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski):
> i JUST discovered this group....hooray.
> 
> my problem:  a gain of 20 pounds since january!  i am having trouble
> with a hormone imbalance...and show the symptoms of hypoglycemia
> (although it doesn't show up in a blood test...)
> 
> if i don't eat EVERY 2 hours i feel like i am going to pass out  (even
> when i am not "stomach hungry")
> 
> does anyone out there know about hypoglycemia...and how to cope
> without getting FAT?



My wife has hypoglycemia and she suggests that you eat fruit or drink 
orange juice.  She also says that a low potassium level can cause this
disorder.  See a doctor the specializes in diabetes (even if you don't 
have diabetes).  Hypoglycemia if uchecked can lead to diabetes due to the fact
the pancreas is over worked and will eventually shutdown.

Hope this helps.

Larry
-- 
WHOAMI: Larry "Bear" Tenbush 
  CITY: San Antonio, Texas  78230
 SMART: larry@angel.ucm.org
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From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Fat Substitue(s) ??
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<SHAFER.92Jul25144827@ra.dfrf.nasa.gov> <25057@dog.ee.lbl.gov>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:38:49 GMT

On 29 Jul 1992 23:47:30 GMT, veklerov@spindle.ee.lbl.gov (eugene veklerov) said:

Eugene> In article <SHAFER.92Jul25144827@ra.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
 
MS> Yes.  There's a line of reduced-fat cheese spreads that uses
MS> Simplesse.  They're pretty good, I think.  The brand is Kaukauna or
MS> Wisconsin or some such and they come in little plastic tubs in the
MS> deli section.  They have about half the fat of regular cheese spread.

Eugene> I have checked the deli section of our local Lucky but could not find
Eugene> any cheese spreads that use Semplesse.  Does anyone have any pointers?

The funny thing about this cheese spread is that it doesn't say
anything about Simplesse on the front of the tub.  It's mentioned
in little tiny print on the side, mostly in a trademark statement.

Look for Lite 50 from Kaukauna.  They have about 8 different kinds
of regular spreads and there are two or three that also come in
the Lite 50 version.  They're in a clear tub with a royal blue lid.

Try Hughes or Albertsons.  I get this at Hughes and I saw it in
Albertsons last week.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all."  Unknown US fighter pilot
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From: abascal@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Liana B. Abascal)
Subject: swelling fingers
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:07:43 GMT

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Lynn,

  I had always assumed that the swelling of the fingers was due to
water retention (maybe that and blood?)  I do know that it mostly happens
in women - a lot of times guys don't have the foggiest that that could
possible happen.  Since water retention occurs more often in women maybe
that is the reason.  I find that if I don't wear any rings it wont bother
me as much.
   As someone suggested, keep your arms elevated (a friend of mine walks
around like that all the time).
  Happy dieting!
         Liana
From: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Starting to Exercise: Advice wanted
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:02:59 GMT
Reply-To: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Followup-To: alt.support.diet
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Jul24.183311.214821@cs.cmu.edu> jennie+@cs.cmu.edu (Jennifer Kay) writes:
>
>So what I want to know is am I going to be overdoing it? I
>remember reading somewhere that you have to give your body a chance to
>recover after exercising, and so you should only work out every other
>day or something. Is that true, or is this some great myth spread by
>lazy people?
>
>
>-- Jennie

My understanding (from my "personal trainer" at Bally's, for those of
you who care) is that for optimum fitness you should:
*do aerobic exercise at least 15 min countinuously every day
*do weight training every other day at most

The day of rest for you muscles is an issue if you're doing
exercises that will build muscle.  In order to build the muscle,
you exercise it to the point of fatigue, then give it a day to
rebuild, then exercise again...etc.  It does not apply for
aerobic exercise (bicycle, aerobic class, NordiTrac, etc.), which
can and should be done often.

My concern would be getting bored.  25 min/day for 5-7 days/week
is a lot of time to do the same thing.  I skate to and from work
every day, M-F.  (about 25 min. each way)  This is never dull because
there are people to watch, obsticles to avoid, and people asking if
rollerblades are really as fun as they look. And if I do feel bored
I can take a different route and have other things to look at.
If I miss a day because of rain or because I need access to my car
for some reason, I do a *different* exercise.  Stairmaster, rowing
machine, or lifecycle at my gym; go for a swim; or do one of my
aerobics tapes.  I have tried many times to get a regular exercise
schedule, but I get bored too easily.  Listening to music helps some,
but I've had much more success keeping my exercise varied.  (Don't
think I've done less than 5 days/week in 2 months.)

Maybe you could alternate the NordicTrac with 15 or 20 min walks
or with a swim at the YMCA?  (Cheap membership, not really an
"in-shape-yuppie" clientel, so more comfortable for some overweight
people to join.  Most have pools.)

Lastly, I have a question.  I've had so much luck with this skating
thing, I'm starting to worry about winter.  I live in Boston.  There
will probably be several months where I can't skate at all and a few
more where I can only skate on the rare nice day.  What are good
out-doorsy winter exercises that will prevent aformentioned boredom?
(I grew up in CA and am not used to planning my life around seasonal
changes!)  Skiing is possible, but I don't know how and I understand
it's pretty expensive.  I can't really jog or run because of a bad
ankle.  Anything else I can do??

michelle

--
Michelle Manes		|	"What should I be when I grow up?"
manes@bass.bu.edu	|	"Honest."
			|	-Robert M. Pirsig
From: aivano@condor.ycc.yale.edu (Sandy Aivano)
Subject: Re: Support Needed!
Organization: Yale Computer Center (YCC)
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:29:57 EDT

In article <1992Jul22.170838.94701@cs.cmu.edu>, jennie+@cs.cmu.edu (Jennifer Kay) writes:
>So, some questions for the group. First I'd like to second the question I just
>read: any yo-yo dieters out there who have finally succeeded in losing the
>weight and keeping it off? It'd be great to hear your story!  ...  Or just
>post if you had a weight problem for a long time and finally managed to lose
>the weight. 

Jennie,

I had a serious eating problem for at least 12 years.  I solved it over 9 
years ago and have maintained a normal weight (5'4", 120lbs) since then. 

I could never manage to diet successfully for longer than about 3 days.  I was
on a constant (unsuccessful) diet for 12 years. Those years were a constant
replay of this scenario:  resolve to diet, diet successfully for 1-2 days,
binge for 1 day, resolve to diet and this time really mean it, etc., etc.  I
found that my ability to control my eating got worse over the years, despite my
sincere attempts to diet. At the end, I resorted to using laxatives and forced
vomiting to try to control my weight.

I tried MANY! techniques to control my eating without success.   I thought
about food constantly.  I knew the calories of everything and was constantly
figuring out calories or feeling guilty about how many calories I had eaten. 
Dieting seemed like a simple matter for some people.  After all it is a simple
concept - you just eat fewer calories than your body needs each day.  But I
couldn't seem to do that.  Despite all my seemingly sincere resolutions, I was
unable to stop overeating for any significant length of time.

Here's how I managed to lose the weight permanently: For me overeating was the
result of obsession about food.  I would have unwanted thoughts about eating
that I could not banish from my mind by will power. I might be reading,
working, driving in my car, or watching TV, and would begin to think about
food.  The obsession was the result of an illness which centered in my mind,
and which I no longer had power over. No matter how firm my resolve to diet had
been that morning, I was compelled to act on these food thoughts.  

My food obsession was relieved by working the 12 Step Program of Recovery
described in the book Alcoholics Anonymous. When I was no longer obsessed with
food and no longer compelled by thoughts to overeat, I could eat normal
quantities without difficulty or any sense of deprivation. 

I NEVER EVER believed that I could get the "food monkey" off my back.  I
believed that I would struggle with food for the rest of my life.  But now I
have not binged in over 9 years. I no longer have to fight with food, and I
maintain my weight easily.  It helps me to try to help others with this 
problem. So anybody who thinks they might be a compulsive eater and wants to
solve the problem permanently is welcome to send email to me.

Sandy    
AIVANO@CONDOR.CIS.YALE.EDU
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From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: Caffeine
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 09:22:15 EDT

In article <1992Jul21.173145.24166@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.153548.28309@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>>>Awhile back I read something on here about people giving up caffeine
>>>while dieting. What is the reason for this? 
>>Because caffeine is supposedly a diuretic and an appetite stimulant.  The
>>liquid diet I was on was no caffeine (although, don't tell--I cheated :-).
>
>Caffeine is a weak diuretic.  Its evil actions in this respect are
>grossly overemphasized by the new Puritans of dieting.  As for its
>efficacy as an appetite stimulant, I would not have thought to call
>it that, and I'm not aware of any evidence that this is the case.
>It doesn't seem to suppress appetite, however.

And doesn't Covert Bailey say that caffine increases fat burning?

>
>-- 
>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
 Margot


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