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From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Engineers (was Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English)
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:42:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <MDAY.92Apr16230353@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu> mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
->
->   tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
->   ->>mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
->   ->>   kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
->   ->>   > tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
->   ->>   >Just because you don't score say 500 on SAT English does not mean you can't
->   ->>   >be successful in college.  It doesn't mean you can't be a good engineer
->   ->>   >either.
->   ->>
->   ->>   Of course not.  Just as you can be a good engineer despite lacking
->   ->>   communication skills.  But gaining those skills can make you an even better
->   ->>   one.  
->   ->>
->   ->>Do people really think this is true?
->   ->>
->   ->>A lot depends on what we mean by a "good" engineer.  Sometimes people
->   ->>think that a good engineer is someone who, working alone, gets the
->   ->>right answer to a problem.  Unfortunately, for real engineers this
->   ->>skill is much less important than understanding an ill-formed problem,
->   ->>solving a problem with a team of other people, and convincing others
->   ->>to accept the solution.
->
->   Well, I don't think it's up to you to define "real" engineers.  
->
->This is a peculiar criticism coming from someone who felt free to
->generalize about "good" engineers and their verbal skills.  What
->credentials do you think I need to have before I say something about
->the difference between engineering school and engineering practice?
->
->--Mark Day
->
->mday@lcs.mit.edu

Why did not cut out the rest of my response?  I said whether an
engineer is "good" or not is for his employer to decide.

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
From: raja@bombay.cps.msu.edu (Narayan S. Raja)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Oriental bias against Indians ? How true ?
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:48:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: msuinfo.1992Apr13.004813.11510
Reply-To: raja@cps.msu.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pattern Recognition & Image Processing, MSU


In article <69988@ut-emx.uucp>, (Vishram P.Dalvi) writes:


< 	I knew a pretty Asian-American (Oriental) girl who lived in
<  my apartment complex and had developed a liking for her.

[...]

< 	This friend just asked me to FORGET THE GIRL. He told me that
<  no Oriental girl will go for an Indian.


Actually, just from my own friends
and family I know of 6 Indians
married to or seriously involved
with East Asians (1 Hong Kong Chinese,
2 Japanese, 2 Koreans, 1 Taiwanese).
None of these East Asians are 
EastAsian-AMERICANS, tho'.

In all cases the woman is East Asian 
and the man Indian.


< but most of them are
< told by their parents (or atleast given the idea) that Indians are poor,

I've encountered this,


< ignorant, good-for-nothin peasants.

but not these.


Other stereotypes I encountered were that
Indians are "cunning" and "hide their
real feelings."  A weird stereotype:
``Indian men have many wives.''   (I wish!)

On the other hand, the ``Buddha'' connection
makes for some positive images.  

The ``Kama Sutra'' stereotype is not 
necessarily an advantage.    :-)   :-)


Stereotypes are inevitable; love overcomes them.


Narayan Sriranga Raja.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan)
Subject: Kerry...
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-856]: sparta
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:28:47 GMT


Kerry,
    I am sorry I haven't written back to you, but I accidentally erased
your address, so I didn't know where to send it....

I didn't meet Will's mom, but we did have a nice long talk, and he has
decided that he does want to keep me, so he's going to start treating
me like the princess I deserve to be treated like... =-)
So, my life is pretty great right now... just wanted too let you know.

Misti
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: The War in 2020 (was US military policy)
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:13:42 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <1992Apr9.161534.14433@cs.yale.edu>, yarvin-norman@CS.YALE.EDU (Norman Yarvin) writes:
|> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
|> >... the Nobel prize is given in the name of the man who
|> >invented TNT, declaring that he has discovered a substance so
|> >powerful that it would end warfare because it was just too powerful
|> >and would make the cost in lives too great.
|> 
|> Well, do you see war between civilized countries any more?  I think Nobel was
|> right.  It just took the rest of the human race a hundred years or so to
|> realize it.

I thought I remember Alfred Nobel starting the prize because he sorrowful that
he had invented something which had so much destructive potential and wanted
to promote peace, not that he though wars would no longer be fought because
of his invention.

I think a "war between civilized countries" is an oxymoron.  If both sides are
civilized, why are they fighting?  It is civility that will end war, not the
invention of a powerful weapon.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: Seattle area (was Re: Asian American communities)
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:55:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.071910.20400@u.washington.edu> luke@milton.u.washington.edu (Marvin Luke) writes:
>In article <10403@inews.intel.com> sedayao@chopin.intel.com writes:
>>In article <upsi1.702938653@mcl>, upsi1@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Mathew Waywe Yee) wri
>tes:
>>>In article <1992Apr14.220915.23625@u.washington.edu> gwanggung@milton.u.washi
>ngton.edu writes:
>>> My comment to the expense of living in the Bay Area, try moving north to
>>> Seattle.  The housing is less expensive and, there is a large Asian
>>> community there.
>>I sure the people of Seattle want to hear that. :-)  They really despise
>>Californians in that area.
>
>>>>        Nahh.....we don't despise Californians.
>
>>>>        We just use 'em for Uzi target practice.
>
>Unless of course they are young, single, female, and Asian American.
>In that case just bring your California tan up I-5 to Seattle. I promise,
>everyone will be nice and.......

This is a point I was trying to make earlier.  Clare's experiences will be
different from most males.  If the person is "young, single, *male*, and
Asian American," there would be a better chance he would be used for target
practice.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: yumei@wam.umd.edu (yumei)
Subject: Re: Question about "at what point does it become our business"
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:27:57 GMT

In article <houch.702060718@cavern> houch@cavern.mitre.org (Jim Houchens) writes:
>
>I dispute your "fact" that the women are "changing hands."  It's
>really no different the Boston "Dating Pages" except it is the women
>who advertise and the men who respond.
>
>While I would not choose to meet a potential wife this way, I feel I
>(and you) do not have the right to tell anyone that it is wrong.
>

I disagree with you, because I feel you did not understand my premises for
this argument.  Neither did I say it is just "wrong" for anybody to choose
a wife in any way, but I was talking about the social implications and
specific practices.

But this is such an old topic.  Besides, I don't think we will ever see
eye to eye.  So why bother?
					Yumei


-- 
******************************************************************************
          If silence is a weapon, how do you fire it?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala)
Subject: Re: Seattle area (was Re: Asian American communities)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 15:28:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.215552.19669@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.071910.20400@u.washington.edu> luke@milton.u.washington.edu (Marvin Luke) writes:
>>In article <10403@inews.intel.com> sedayao@chopin.intel.com writes:
>>>In article <upsi1.702938653@mcl>, upsi1@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Mathew Waywe Yee) wri
>>tes:
>>>>In article <1992Apr14.220915.23625@u.washington.edu> gwanggung@milton.u.washi
>>ngton.edu writes:
>>>> My comment to the expense of living in the Bay Area, try moving north to
>>>> Seattle.  The housing is less expensive and, there is a large Asian
>>>> community there.
>>>I sure the people of Seattle want to hear that. :-)  They really despise
>>>Californians in that area.
>>
>>>>>        Nahh.....we don't despise Californians.
>>
>>>>>        We just use 'em for Uzi target practice.
>>
>>Unless of course they are young, single, female, and Asian American.
>>In that case just bring your California tan up I-5 to Seattle. I promise,
>>everyone will be nice and.......
>
>This is a point I was trying to make earlier.  Clare's experiences will be
>different from most males.  If the person is "young, single, *male*, and
>Asian American," there would be a better chance he would be used for target
>practice.

  Hey I didn't say anything about Seattle.  And my son is very-young (14
  months), very-single (no girlfriends), and *very-male*.  Nobody better
  use him as target practice.  Incidentally, because he is so cute,
  strangers often think he's a girl.  One old lady kept saying, "God
  Bless you, what a pretty little girl you have." even though my son
  was wearing primary colors, sweatpants and Nikes.
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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NYNEX Science & Technology   clare@nynexst.com
White Plains, NY 10462       AMIGA RULES!!!
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe? (was Re: Will America fall?)
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:55:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <122117@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> I wrote:
->Well, as a tourist it should be all right since you will probably be there
->during day time only.  At night you will be taking your chances.  I saw a
->shooting incident happening right in front of a theater as hundreds of
->people are leaving the theater (ater midnight though).
->

I want to add that Chinatown is not necessarily more unsafe than any other
parts of SF.

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
From: upsi1@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Mathew Waywe Yee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Okay, so I was in the wrong.
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:32:49 GMT

Unlike many people on this board, I'm going to make a public apology/retraction
for a couple of admitted mistakes.

1) To Franklin:  Sorry, I didn't realize you were kidding.  My system seemed to
have left out the smiley that you put at the beginning of your post.  This
doesn't excuse you from showing off in your private letter to me.  I assumed
that you were educated since you seem to be able to argue well and to use a 
computer terminal.  No one likes a show off.

2) To Mark:  Yeah, you're right.  The '?' doesn't belong inside the " marks.
It's been a long time since I had to write an essay using a quote so I was a
bit rusty.  Turns out that a '.' would have gone inside but, as you stated 
so exhaustively and clearly, a '?' or a '!' doesn't go inside the " marks if
it changes the meaning.

Now with that out of the way, I feel much better.  My psychologist said that
this would help :)  For all the things that happen on this board, I don't think
I've been the witness of anyone else being big enough to publically admit a 
mistake.  Could this be the beginning of a "kinder, gentler" s.c.a.a.?
Nah, this is just a fluke.  No one on this board is ever wrong and, if anyone
disagrees with me, I'll flame the hell out of you :)

Mathew
f

--
Mathew Wayne Yee
upsi1@mcl.ucsb.edu              or                    psi1@engrhub.ucsb.edu
"This life is a test - it is only a test.  If this had been an actual life,
 you would have been told where to go and what to do!"
From: fchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Franklin M. Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Lack of AA literary culture (was New topic!)
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:03:38 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr7.053713.7500@wam.umd.edu> yumei@wam.umd.edu (yumei) writes:
>From what you write, it doesn't sound to me that you understand the connection
>between the "real" world of publishers and editors and the English teachers. .

What, pray tell, is this "connection" I do not understand?

>>The moral?  Don't _whine_; _act_ instead. 
>>
>Get educated: there's a real act for you.

This is the oddest sentence I have ever encountered.  It was obviously
not written by someone who has a grasp of "Standard Written English." :-) I
have stared at it for a full five minutes without being able to discern
its meaning or intent.  I am familiar with such constructions as "get
real" and "get a life," but I've never encountered "get educated."  As
for "there's a real act for you," this is a totally new construction to
me.  I wonder if it will prove to be a significant Asian-American
contribution to the English language.  I know what "there's" means, and
"a" and "real" and "act" and "for" and "you," but somehow the sense of
the sentence does not come through to me.  Perhaps the writer meant
"This Bud's for you"?  I've never heard of "getting educated" being a
"real act."  Would someone translate this sentence into Evil White
"Standard Written English" for me, please??

	Franklin Chen
From: chrchan@ocf.berkeley.edu (Christopher S. Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-American Filmmakers (was Asians in Movies)
Date: 7 Apr 1992 05:10:49 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu


The Asian American film-maker who won the Oscar for
documentary a few years ago (1990) is Steven Okazaki.
The film was called "Days in Waiting" and it was about
a Caucasian artist who was interned with her Japanese
American husband.  His most recent work was another
documentary called "Troubled Paradise" which is about
the social and political problems facing the indigenous
population of Hawaii.  It was featured at the Asian
American International Film Showcase at the AMC Kabuki
Theater about a month ago.  He also did a non-documentary
film called "Living On Tokyo Time" which is a quirky comedy
about some Japanese American dude who marries a Japanese
woman only so that she can stay in America.  Anyways, there
are a lot of Asian American filmmakers out there.  They're
mostly underground, though.If you want to see their movies,
you usually have to go to special film festivals.  I'm
interested in this short documentary by Valerie Soe, called
"Cynism: An American Princess."  Has anyone seen this?  Was
it any good?  
	There's also another Asian (not Asian American) director
out there named Zhang Yimou.  Last year, his film "Ju Duo" was
nominated for best foreign film (but lost).  This year, his
"Raise the Red Lantern" (which is out in theaters now) was also
nominated in the same category, and he lost again.  Anyways, I
haven't seen it yet, but I've read nothing but rave reviews for it.


Chris Chan
chrchan@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: One more time on this (AA spokesperson)
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:21:36 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
>>achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>>Linking together this topic with "AA ministers and churches," how
>>effective do you think an "AA Jesse Jackson" would be?  I don't
>>think AA ministers have shown the leadership skills that could
>>unite and mobilize AA communities the way many African-American
>>preachers have, especially here in the South.  Despite the
>>rapid growth of AA churches, they're still not influential
>>among AA's, mainstream churches or mainstream communities.

>	Just wondering:  How many (AA) ministers have u met personally?
>   In New York City:
>	The way the African-American preachers mobilize their communities
>	is to publicly speak out against the non-black in any incident
>	involving black.  They generally gain leadership among blacks
>	by charging everybody (who gets any disput with black) as being
>	racist.  Example: Rev. Al Sharpton (sp?)

This is a great way to lose credibility for your cause.  I know it has made
me pretty doubtful.

>> no one in this group so far has
>>ever seen an AA pastor of a mainstream congregation.

The Mormons have many in Hawaii.  In fact, a Japanese-American is very high up
in the church hierarchy.  A Japanese national is also.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
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From: mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey J. Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe?
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:12:33 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Apr14.053920.30808@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:

>mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey J. Lin) writes:
>>	Hmmm... all this talk about Chinatown being unsafe has gotten me
>>thinking. I used to hang out with some Chinese gangsters in NYC and we
>>never really had any real trouble. Are you folks talking only about incidents
>>that happens out in California? I admit sometimes it's not safe, but then 
>>again, many places are unsafe. By the way, there were "incidence" in the
>>Chinatown at NYC, but the rival gangs usually stayed out of each other's 
>>territory. I dunno, enlighten me. :->
>>						Mikeey

>	Honestly, NYC Chinatn *was* not very safe last year.  Chn gangs were
>colliding with Vman gangs constantly.  It was considered to be one of the
>5 most dangeous neighborhoods (highest serious crime rate, I guess).
>	Btw, other 4 are: Washington Heights, East New York, (East?) Harlem,
>and ...hmmm, forgot the 4th.
>====================================>.sig <===================================
>  Harry Xu  (KB2LHA)	   Internet:  hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
> *Columbia University Amateur Radio Club (CUARC-<>-W2AEE)  *Founded, 1913*
> *The American Radio Relay League:  Amateur Radio >>---> A National Resource
> *New York Road Runners Club  -&-  Columbia University Road Runners Club 
> ::::::"Go run.  Nothing else can make you feel as good as making love."  --ME
>====================================> end <===================================

	Hmmm... you might be right. I haven't been in NYC Chinatown for 
almost two years. I did hear a little about the Vietnamese gangester from
a few friends but according to them, "it's not anything we can handle."
Sorry to hear about my hometown going down the drain. I guess I've been in
college too long. Rochester is indeed different.

						Mikeey
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Will America fall?
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:36:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr16.205625.2128@tcsi.com>, gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr8.005256.4868@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
|> > 
|> >As I've said before, the model minority concept might apply to
|> >the Japanese-Americans and Korean-Americans, but it certainly doesn't
|> >apply to Chinese-Americans.  A visit to Chinatown should convince
|> >you.  (I've been told by a couple of Chinese to stay away from
|> >Chinatown, a very unsafe place--"thanks" to Chinese culture.)
|> 
|>      Here we see another example of Dwight Joe's much lauded Western
|> thinking.  We Chinese-Americans don't fit the model minority profile
|> because there's at least one Chinese-American out there who's a criminal.
|> We're guilty by association, and guilty until proven innocent.  That some
|> of us might also be hard-working, intelligent, and not gangsters, is
|> irrelevant.
|> 
|>      Naturally, no Japanese-American or Korean-American has ever committed
|> a crime, and therefore persons of such ethnic origins easily fit the
|> model-minority roll.

The "model minority" profile is not even a laudable objective.  It is simply
an excuse for mainstream America's insensitivity to anti-AA racism. 
-- 
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (I Shop therefore I AM!!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian American amateur athletes
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:50:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com

In article <92101.210250U51115@uicvm.uic.edu> U51115@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

> I wish people would stop making fun of us Asian Americans just because we're s
>lower than any other people. And maybe we're not all that smart either but at l
>east when I go to workout or run, I like to talk to myself and sing some songs.
>Also, if you think you're being picked on like me, then please reply because I
>would like to know. Also, I have no friends, so when you reply I assume you wan
>t to be my friend. Does anyone out there know how to make their booger talk?

Does anyone know how to get this person to use the carriage return
and sign his/her name to his/her posts?

	Melinda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: janew@woobaby.EBay.Sun.COM (Jane Woo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe? (was Re: Will America fa
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:34:10 GMT
Reply-To: janew@woobaby.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: woobaby.ebay.sun.com

>>Is this true?  Is Chinatown (SF) more unsafe than it was, say, five years ago?
>>I'd like to know since I'll be visiting the BA this summer and I'd like to go
>>to Chinatown if I can but I'd rather not get caught in the middle of a cross-
>>fire.  [wry :-)]

I'll have to diagree here.  Hey, visit if you want.  I'm sure thousands of
tourist will over this summer season.  I think most of you are watching
way too much TV!!!  Hey, to play it safe... just visit during the light
hours... that's about 8:00pm with daylight savings!  You'll find some of
the best roast ducks and BBQ pork in the windows!! Yum!

The caveat here is.... like any neighborhood around, there is crime.  But,
since it's such a "tourist" haven, most merchants and the City will not
put up with balant crime on the streets.

-jane