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From: kdlin@advtech.uswest.com (David Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Bad tactical position ( was Psychology in Defense)
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:05:18 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

In article <199211170651.AA00435@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
#...
##I know the FBI's position is that a Special Agent who witnesses a 
##a robbery is bound to try and apprehend the subject, even though it
##is technically not under FBI jurisdiction; do we, as "a well
##regulated militia," do the same?
#
#The militia has no legal status in this respect. You could hold him
#until the police arived. If he ran away, I think you could legally
#consider this "resisting a citizen's arrest" and use force to
#prevent it _in_some_states_.....

Use force to prevent bad guys from running away? Like how?

As a side question, how do I prepare myself so that I know I can
sqeeze the trigger when the time comes? I took a few so-called combat
action shooting classes. But shooting at paper targets is a completely
different story than shooting at a human being, IMHO. Guess mental
training is *VERY* important too. Any comments?

David
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From: Thi_Huynh@univel.COM (Thi Huynh)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Browning Hi-Powers
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:17:55 GMT

vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) wrote:
# 
# [...stuff deleted...]
#
# I handled a Browning Hi-Powers for the first time, and I was highly
# impressed.  It has a 13 rnd mag, and I have small hands, yet it
# fit my hand really well.  The finish on it was remarkable.  This
# brings up a few questions?
# 
# A while back on the net, people were talking about NOT using +p
# ammo in Hi-Powers.  There were conflicting opinions.  Was this
# ever resolved?

Well, if you decide to get the Hi-Power, make sure you get the Mark III.
These newer guns have beefier slides.  I understand that there are quite
a number of broken Hi-Power slides in a British police armoury according
to Frank James (a gun rag writer).

-tt
From: erudnick@pica.army.mil (FSAC-SID)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: identify this brass
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:12:18 GMT



Jeff Ross writes:
#I was given a whole bunch of old military brass, all of which is .30-06
#however there is one peticulary case type that I can't reload, the
#head stamp is as follows
#
#on the top is "M2",across the middle is "RD" and the date is "59"
#
#ok, I know that M2 is the caliber, RD is the manufacturer(I don't know
#who RD is) and "59" is the year the brass was made.
#
#what is presenting the problem is when I attempted to decap the case
#I found I was unable, ok, I figured maybe its a berdan primer, well
#after taking a hacksaw to one of the cases a suprise was in store,
#the single flash hole was offset from the center and was smaller than
#the ones found in boxer primed cases (I didn't measure, but it was a very
#obvious difference)
#
#any ideas on this case??


You have a case from Dominican Republic produced .30 M2 ball ammo. The
"RD" is Republica Dominicana.

As to the primer, you have discovered the alternative form of Berdan
primer, which uses a single offset flash hole instead of the more
common pair. The Germans used this a lot during WW2; I believe it
has advantages in producibility.

Ed Rudnicki     erudnick@pica.army.mil     All disclaimers apply
Protect the Second Amendment - boycott Ruger products
Geordi: "...it's like the laws of physics went right out the
window." Q: "And why shouldn't they? They're so inconvenient."
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Getting started in reloading
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:09:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: igor.1992Nov16.211031.14153
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

I've been thinking about reloading for a while now and I wanted to find
out what the minimum setup is to get started in reloading.  Is there some
relatively inexpensive (under $100), low capacity setup I can get that
will let me start loading my own inexpensively?

At this point, I don't anticipate needing to load more than, say, 20
rounds per night.  Later, I'll investigate the more involved setups
(e.g., Dillon); here, I'm simply looking for the bare minimum.

Thanks,

   don
From: mws20@ccc.amdahl.com (Mark Sechrest)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Right-handed/left-eyed: how to retrain eyes?
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:32:24 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


 In article <1992Nov16.190904.17903@u.washington.edu> basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:
##
##I am right handed but left-eye dominant.
##I currently have three options with my right-handed rifle:
##	1) shoot left handed and struggle to work the action
##	2) shoot right handed with my left eye closed
##	3) shoot right handed with both eyes open.
##	
##Obviously, option 3 is preferred.  Hence, I am trying to retrain my
##eyes so that I will not be limited to the left-eye perspective.  I am
##putting a patch over my left eye for short periods of time (one hour)
##once or twice each day but have only been doing this for a few days.
##It is clear to me that my right eye is lazy since it's difficult to 
##focus and see clearly (there are some really interesting physiological
##effects when you can only see out of the subordinate eye), hence, I'm 
##trying not to overwork it until the focussing muscles are stronger.
##
##Has anyone done this successfully?  Am I going about it wrong? Any tips?
##

When I was very young(2 years old) my physician noticied that I had a lazy
eye. He put me on a patch program to help correct it. The patch should
alternate between the eyes. Wear the patch over the dominant eye for a few
hours, and then move the patch to the lazy eye for a few hours. Gradually
extend the times. After you get to wearing the patch for about a whole
day on one eye, start increasing the amount of time that you use the lazy
eye. So, keep the good eye covered for a day, and then cover the lazy eye
for most, but not all of the next day. Gradually decrease the amount of
time that you keep the lazy eye covered.

Just so you know, this will not work quickly. I spent at least a year with
a patch over one eye or the other. If you are serious about doing this, I
would suggest that you seek an opthmalogist's advice and supervision. As
you seem to be aware, you could over strain your lazy eye, and make the
condition worse.

Good Luck,
Mark
From: cower@SSD.intel.com (Rich Cower)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Reno Gun Show
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:03:27 GMT
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel


I was at the Reno Gun Show this weekend, and the semi-auto stuff was selling
very fast. SKS's were going from $115 to $400 (a pre-ban one that took
detachable magazines). One dealer I spoke with about noon on Sat (the show 
opened on Friday) had brought 25 with him, he had 5 left. 7.62X39 ammo seemd 
to be selling briskly, at $3 box, around $150-165 per case. AR's were 
priced from $600 and went up. 
Someone from Colorado had an interesting SKS - pistol size, it had a molded
stock with a pistol grip in the rear, and a thing for holding onto in the
front. The whole package was maybe 16 inches long. I think this firm made
molded stocks.

There were some really beautiful guns on display, a few of the old double
rifles, some Winchesters that were priced over $10k, and a lot of pre-64
Winchesters. I spent most of my time looking at model 12 Winchesters, as
thats what I like...and there were some fantastic ones. Something to watch
for, make sure the receiver S/N matches the barrel S/N. I saw a few that
didn't match. It's strange, the rigs don't line up exactly on those either.

...rich
From: TXK107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: re 45 HANDGUNS
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:13:16 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I own many 1911's including factory NM models and accurized standard models.
But because of my schedule, I often to leave my firearm in my auto while
at work, or school. This left me in a predicament, I faced the possibility
losing a collectable Colt, or restrict my shooting. Fate then dealt me a good
hand, a local gun shop had Springfield 45's for $339.99. I now had a gun that
if stolen,I could get replaced. Boy was I pleasantly suprized at the accuracy
and overall quality of this clone. I shoot lead 200 grain semi-wadcutters
(H+G #68) 90% of the time. The throat was polished at the factory and it takes
a really junkey, bruised, mangled reload to cause a jam. I shoot regularly
with 4 other Springfield owners,and they report that our batch or 45's are
excellent examples of quality control in carrying out one of the best designs
ever thought up by John Browning. To date it has digested every bullet design
it was fed with no jams. It hurts to say this but, dollar for dollar the
Springfield puts my Colts to shame. ( If someone connected to Springfield
reads this please sign me up for one of those lucrative endorsement contracts,
I could use the money.) Other clones I have experienced (small sample) do not
exhibit the track record of Colt and Springfield. War production and older
original Colts suffer from softer steel alloys and wide tolerances. If you
decide to purchase a new Springfield you will have a reliable piece that can
be customized when the money gods shine on you.
The original shooter posted concerns about the Springfield not closing on a
empty mag. This occurs because newer Springfields are equipped with a 8 round
magazine (increased capacity from the standard 7 rds) that has a different
follower design that causes this condition. There is nothing wrong with the gun
or the magazine, this condition is the trade off to get increased capacity. A
standard magizine will allow you to close the Springfield or Colt on a empty
mag. I doubt that this condition will worry you now since it is a normal
state. While I think guns in general are over priced,this 1911 is a comaritive
value. With the money you save, invest in reloading equipment so YOU can
practice and shoot to the intrinsic accuracy of the gun.


                                            Good luck,
                                            Terry Kuzma
                                            NRA Life Member
From: DENNIS_@ncsu.edu (DGA)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun needed for wife
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:46:13 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <kf2zcJW00WDKQ8IlMe@andrew.cmu.edu> jp45+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jim Thomas Park , Jr.) writes:
#From: jp45+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jim Thomas Park , Jr.)
#Subject: Gun needed for wife
#Date: 19 Nov 92 21:06:48 GMT
#All,
#	I am in need of a handgun for my wife. I own a Taurus 9mm model PT99.
#It has a  high capacity 15 shot clip. My wife likes it but it is to big
#for her to carry conceled. I would like to go with a semi-auto gun and
#high capacity if possible. I don't want to go below a .38 caliber if
#possible. I am going to have her try a snub nose 5 shot .357 magnum this
#weekend if the weather holds here in Pittsburgh. Any advice would be
#appreciated.


Walther PPK/S, 9mm kurz (.380).  Small, good safety system, double 
action, easy carry (very flat), works well at defense range.  There was a 
lot of activity concerning Walthers a few days (weeks).  Use High Vel 
hollow points for serious work.  

Just a biased opinion.

DGA
From: kb13+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ken Burner)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .45 caliber handguns
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:07:08 GMT

donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:

#   Is it possible for me to get an accurate 1911 Colt/clone for less
#   than the price of a Gold Cup (about $800) and STILL have it be a
#   versatile combat handgun?

    Here's what my gunshop friend recommends.  A stock Springfield
Armory (tm) .45 and a Heinie (sp?) drop-in compensated barrel.  Barrels
are remarkably interchangeable.  I can shoot the std barrel in
IPSC/USPSA competition as a beginner, which I am, and use the comp
barrel for bowling pins.  Later, whenever I want to compete in unlimited
class, I can use the comp barrel in combat competition.  Essentially,
I'd have two guns in one.  Neat.  In the meantime, I can add goodies,
modifications, etc to the gun as I get the need.  He says that even if I
become a serious competitor, it'll be years before my skills outgrow the
gun (and I'm sure he meant no offense :) ).  Total cost $615.
    I've been reading this newsgroup for the past 6 months or so and I
haven't heard anyone mention this strategy.  It seems pretty sound to me
-- two guns for the price of one.  You could even apply the same theme
to the carry/combat situation -- carry your Colt Officer's with a stock
barrel, drop in a compensated barrel to compete.
    I'd like to hear pros/cons of this approach (I already realize that
a gun with interchangeable barrels will not have as much inherent
accuracy as one with a permanent barrel, but since the stock barrel is
removable anyway, I don't think this is a major problem). 

    -Ken Burner
     Carnegie Mellon Computing Services

[Standard disclaimer: If CMU's opinions agree with mine,
                      then that is pure coincidence.]
From: reb@amc.com (Bob Brunjes)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Right-handed/left-eyed: how to retrain eyes?
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:14:40 GMT
Organization: Applied Microsystems, Redmond, WA

In article <1992Nov16.190904.17903@u.washington.edu> basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:
#
#I am right handed but left-eye dominant.

Me too, _very_ pronouncedly.

#I currently have three options with my right-handed rifle:
#	1) shoot left handed and struggle to work the action
#	2) shoot right handed with my left eye closed
#	3) shoot right handed with both eyes open.
#	
#Obviously, option 3 is preferred.  Hence, I am trying to retrain my
#eyes so that I will not be limited to the left-eye perspective.  I am
#putting a patch over my left eye for short periods of time (one hour)
#once or twice each day but have only been doing this for a few days.
#It is clear to me that my right eye is lazy since it's difficult to 
#focus and see clearly (there are some really interesting physiological
#effects when you can only see out of the subordinate eye), hence, I'm 
#trying not to overwork it until the focussing muscles are stronger.
#
#Has anyone done this successfully?  Am I going about it wrong? Any tips?
#
I guess the best solution depends (sorry about that) on the nature of
your experience.  In my case, I've been shooting _something_ since I was
quite young, and the first BB gun or bow was instictively fired left-
handed; it was the only way I could see.  To try to start shooting right-
handedly now, it would seem like throwing away 45 years of experience,
and I don't choose to do that.

If you don't have much experience shooting left-handedly, changing
sides should be less of a problem, and you have more choices.

Actually, I kind of _like_ having the bolt handle on the same side as 
the hand holding the fore-end, especially on semi-autos.  This 
assumes of course that I'm not using a military sling hold.

If a left-hander is a south-paw, is a left-eyed person a south-light? 


Bob Brunjes		Applied Microsystems Corp
			Redmond, WA
			reb@amc.com
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Answering the door at 11PM, without a gun. . .
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:32:32 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Nov19.222725.13396@chpc.org> rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes:
#If you DO posess a firearm, it's important that it not be seen until
#(& unless) needed.  I've only recieved late nite door knocks at 
#my home twice - it was the local PD each time (routine stuff...
#...If I answered the
#door gun-in-hand, the LEAST trouble I could expect is loss of the 
#gun & license.

I know someone who prefers to slip a pistol into his belt, at the
small of his back, in such circumstances: It's both available if needed,
and out of sight to whoever is at the door (presuming he doesn't turn
his back on them...)

                                                Frank Crary
                                                CU Boulder
From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Shotgun amo sequence.other view.
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:11:09 GMT
Organization: gte

In article <9211121847.AA00933@whirlwind>, moore@tc.fluke.COM (Matt Moore) writes:
# In article <a2qc03jub9DB00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> barry@uts.amdahl.com (Barry Needham) writes:
# 
#  << a lot of stuff that I agreed with >>
# 
# #   * It is possible that I might have to defeat auto glass or sheet steel.
# #     There have been two drive by shootings in my neighborhood in the last six
# #     months.
# 
#  << a lot more stuff that I agreed with >>
# 
#  The above statement puzzles me. It sounds like you intend to engage in a
# firefight with the drive-by shooters. Why is this necessary? If they stay
# in their car, you get the best odds by staying out of sight and behind
# cover. If you are caught outside, you won't have your shotgun with you
# anyway. If they shoot and keep driving, you want to let them go: firing
# back might tempt or force them to stay, and do more shooting. If they get
# out of the car and invade your house, you do have to fight, but you don't
# have to worry about penetrating the car anymore.
# 

For short-term survival, get down and stay down.

However, you or your kids might be in the street the *next* these same
thugs come through.  Also, your neighbor might be in the street getting
shot: you and he both have a better chance of surviving if you're looking
out for each other.

IMHO, the best bet for ending drive-by shootings in your neighborhood
is a couple of carloads of dead drive-by shooters.  There is some
risk in doing this, but it pales in comparison to the risk of simply
waiting until they do come by while you are in the street.

-- 
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
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From: jp45+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jim Thomas Park , Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Practice range
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:06:56 GMT

All,
	I have another question, When I am out at the range shooting my
handgun. What is the "optimum" range I should be firing at. I was told
that most handgun exchanges are done at approx. 7.5-10 yards apart.
Should I be practicing at 20 yards, 30, 50???? The way thing have been
deterioating(sp) here in Pittsburgh I am feeling a bit unsafe.

						Thanks,
						   -Jim
***************************************************************
 Hey Man, I'm  drinking wine, eating cheese and catching some rays.

				Oddball
	  			 From Kelly's Heros
***************************************************************
From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: too much realoding
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:32:06 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <viking.722228165@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
#morlan@afit.af.mil (Bruce W. Morlan) writes:
#
##My understanding is that diesel is so hard to light off that even
##tracer rounds may not do it.  Any confirmation?  
#
#	If you want a rip-roaring fire, diesel isn't going to do it.
#It's hard to ignite and slow burning.  Try gasoline instead.


The point here wasn't to light it, the point was to make the bottle
explode from the diesel effect (compression ignition).  One poster
said he'd tried it, so I thought what the hell.  I put a couple of
drops into a 2 liter bottle and warmed it by the fire, swirling the
diesel around to get a good air/vapor mix.  Then I shot it.  Nothing,
two holes.  In retrospect, it shouldn't work anyway.  A 2 liter HDPE
bottle will rupture at around 200 psi.  This is *way* below the
pressure needed to pressure detonate diesel/air.  This also ignores the
fact that the bullet hitting the plastic won't cause much pressure
increase in the bottle.  If I'd thought it out I'd have realized all
this beforehand, but what the hell, any excuse to go out shooting.

-- 
Anmar Mirza   # Chief of Tranquility  #My Opinions! NotIU's!#Purveyor of
EMT-D         # Base, Lawrence Co. IN # Legalize Explosives!#nontraditional
N9ISY (tech)  # Somewhere out on the  # Politicians prefer  #family values
Networks Tech.# Mirza Ranch.C'mon over# unarmed peasants.   #Space For Rent
From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Bad tactical position ( was Psychology in Defense)
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:11:22 GMT
Organization: gte

In article <01GR2IUBAMI8005AHM@VAX1.Mankato.MSUS.EDU>, apskato@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
# In article <9211100547.AA06545@hpfcso.HP.COM>, post@hpfcso.fc.hp.com (David Post) writes:
[...]
# # I was wondering...  there is no guarantee that the perp will be reasonable,
# # but you DO have its attention.  Before repeating verbal commands, or
# # interspersed with verbal commands, do you think it might sometimes be
# # helpful to explain that it would be better for them that they do what you
# # ask and that it might actually save them from being shot if they move a
# # little too fast or lose their balance?
# 
# Sounds reasonable to me.  If things are at a standoff explaining to this person
# what the situation is and what might happen might work.   The worst that would
# happen is that the suspect would continue ignoreing you.

WARNING!  If you come of sounding like "Gee, I really don't want to do this,
cuz I'm a wimp and pissing my pants!" then you are putting yourself in an 
extremely bad position.  More important than any words you might use is that
the tone of your voice must imply "I'm just itchin' to blow your head off!"
(Naturally, you aren't and you aint gonna shoot the head, but you've got to
make the suspect feel that you *will* shoot to kill.)  If you sound too 
amenable to talking it over, you will loose.  So the explanation should
be on the order of "I've got nothing to loose here (lie like you believe it!),
I'm already justified in blowing your ass away (again, lie like you know it!
citing the applicable [or not-so applicable] state code might make you sound
more convincing) so it's up to you to decide if you want to die or not."

The trick is to get the suspect to believe that what you want is in his
best interest (and it aint!).  
-- 
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
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