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From: tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu (Paul C. Chemmanoor)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Volunteers needed to setup mailservers for ack etc.
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:44:01 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hi folks,

1]

Due to a surge in work pressure, I am finding it difficult to keep
the ack mailserver running. 

I would appreciate it if some people comfortable with C & unix
come forward to setup alternate sites for news mailserving as well
as other ack admin stuff. For any help needed contact me.

This will also create some fallback mechanism in case any one site
gets disturbed or is unable to function. 

2] Just to remind folks that when replying *please* delete any of
the original article that you are not commenting on. Dont include the
whole article. 
This is particularly important in the light of mail serving.
The mail packages sent out must be small and information-intensive
as possible, for it to be of any use.

3] Stay Cool.

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From: puram@kd2tis.larc.nasa.gov (Dr. Chith K. Puram)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: propoganda and ack
Date: 5 Jan 1993 13:29:54 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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I beleive the authors and readers of this network are adults.  

If somebody expressed an opinion it does not necessarily mean others have to agree with.  Nor they have to get excited about it.  If person A says that X is better than Y, B need not agree with it.  I do not think B will change his opinion since A said so.  After all the situation is such even in scientific matters.  So if somebody makes a statement let us not get excited about it.  Read it if you want, and then leave it.

I believe we all should show signs of maturity and drop the topic all together.

Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,alt.culture.karnataka,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: anandraj@tis.enet.dec.com (Geetha Anandraj)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Recipe
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:36:59 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Hello Shanty,

I just want to let you know how much I enjoyed the fish recipe you had written
last week.  I made the fish curry (with coconut) last week and it came out
very good.  Although I have made couple of other kind of fish curries nothing
was close to the one you gave the recipe for.  Keep up the good work.  Can
you post some recipes for 'appam' and 'puttu'.  Appam comes out pretty good
when I make it but not 'puttu' (we had appam for breakfast yesterday). One more
request, I am from Mysore/Mangalore brought up in Madras.  I am not too 
familiar with malayalam names (spices etc).  I'll appreciate if you can write 
in English in parenthesis.

Thanks again for the great recipes.

Geetha  
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: aknair@eng.auburn.edu (Ajit K. Nair)
Subject: Re: FOREST IN GENERAL,ALSO  THOSE  IN KERALA ,p
Reply-To: aknair@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:12:43 GMT

>Kerala has the Tropical Evergreen type of forests , with stretches of
>the Rain Forest.
>This kind  is typified by  thickly meshed  top storey , so much so that 
>hardly any light  penetrates to the below branch level area.The humidity 
>is very high and there are frequent  , almost daily rains to help keep things
>that way.
 	
	Does it rain almost daily in Kerala? Isn't it seasonal?


>I cannot, off hand, recount the  trees and stuff found here in common  names,
>will try to get hold of those , so that you can relate to actuals...if you
>really want that information.
>Also the rest of the questions will need to wait awhile before  I can 
>get to answering them....more specifically and relevantly.
>Archana Nair


	Would like to get that info. I am sure it will give more insight into the effects of deforestation.


Ajit Nair
From: mece21x@elroy.uh.edu (Yesudas, Michael)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: YES PROP?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 12:48 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan5.200625.1300@colorado.edu>, paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan) writes...

>>Is it not the choice of the person, to reveal to the rest of the world whether
>>he voted YES or NO? Though ballots are secret, they are also democratic in 
>>nature. Right?
> 
>1] Without going into the details, explanations of positions and canvassing 
>   for positions end a certain time period before voting starts, and while
>   the ballot is going on, nothing except voting is allowed. After the vote 
>   is over, everyone is free to discuss anything. 
>   Here the rest of the world is unfortunately the same as the people who 
>   are involved in voting. So it amounts to influencing the vote.
>   There is nothing strange about this. This is accepted procedure in 
>   net.voting.

Expressing someone's opinion, and declaring that he/she voted for a particular
group should either one of the effects. (1) The people might decide to oppose
that person vehemently and vote against it or (2) The people might reinforce
that view by voting for it. 

See that either way it does not change anything in the end result as the above
will be the pattern of voting had nothing happened.

Not to mention whether the person is actually speaking the truth or not.

Sincerely
Michael

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From: kseethar@cs.ulowell.edu (Krishnan Seetharaman)
Subject: Info on Rain Forests in Kerala/India ..
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:23:43 GMT

Hi Folks:

I need this for someone in our department who will be visiting India in 
late February. He will be in Bombay, and is interested in seeing the rain 
forests in India.  From whatever I recollect arent the only rain forests 
in India in Kerala?

Can people who are familiar with the area please mail me any info they might
have. Especially if there are any forest reserves/national parks/national
forests in that area; also where to stay, what to see, etc.  Also is driving 
down from Bombay a good idea?

Thanks very much for your time ..

Regards
-seethu

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Snail-mail : Department of Computer Science, UMass/Lowell, Lowell, MA 01854
From: sathi@cco.caltech.edu (Narayana Sateesh Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: two questions ?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 06:29:38 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: arrester.caltech.edu

	The peacock is the vehicle for Subramaniam,
a.k.a. Murugan, and not Ayyapan. The leopard that he
rides on is a part of the Ayyappa tale. I think that
the devas took the form of leopards (or is it tigers?)
when he was supposed to bring back Tiger's milk to 
heal the queen (his step-mother) of her illness. This
was supposed to be a ruse hatched by the prime-minister 
of the kingdom to get rid of Ayyappan. 

	Sorry, didn't know that Parvati was a.k.a. Yamuna.

TATA!
Sateesh
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From: rinamdar@eng.auburn.edu (Rohit Dattatray Inamdar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: 1 answer
Date: 9 Jan 1993 00:27:57 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


 

Is Parvathi, wife of Lord Shiva, also known as Jamuna ? 


Anna

Kochumol@cardinal.stanford.edu



NO!
Rohit


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From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Tamilnadu.
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:08:21 GMT

In article <199301070107.AA30321@mp.cs.niu.edu> t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar) writes:
>
>narayana@oracorp.com (K.T. Narayana) writes:
>
>> ............ There is an edict of emperor Ashoka that he
>> brought righteousness to the Pandya, Chera, and Chola
>> country.
>
>As far as I understand, the influence of Ashoka was limited upto
>the present day TN which excludes Cheranadu which is Kerala. And
>while the cannibalism may have been popular ( many southern Indian
>temples still practice animal sacrifices and such pagan rituals
>unknown to the mainstream Hinduism) in Chola and Pandya areas,
>there are no referances to such in the Chera country. Perhaps one

Truely, Bhasham clearly says that the Pandya, chera and chola 
kingdoms are not  within the Asokan empire.
The edict however says that he has brought  righteousness to
those kingdoms. These kingdoms may have been vassals.

NOw when was this practice prevalent, and howoww frequent is
apparaent from his  notes which say that they used to fight fierce wars
of hate. After the wars they used to have such celebrations.

>reason that affected the development of Chera region faster than
>to believe that Fahian and Huang shang who visited Mussiriss, the
>port-capital of Chera dynasty would not comment on such paganistic
>rituals. So, at least in the Chera region, the practice can be safely
>assumed to be out of vogue at least by 8 A.D.
>
>- Bijoy
>
From: Ajit K. Nair <aknair@eng.auburn.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Posting of digests
Date: 4 Jan 1993 13:53:37 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Since we are thinking interms of amending the charter,I feel we should not confine ourselves to religious propaganda alone.One point to ponder will be whther we should allow posting of digests from outside groups.It will be a waste of time 

if we have to vote to make a decision each and everytime.One thing which we can do is to give the editor(s) of digests to make one posting to inform the ackersregarding the digest.Those who are interested can subscribe to the digest or 

that particular newsgroup.What I have proposed is for those non-religious digests with no relevance to ACK. Who knows tomorrow we may find the Cricket Digest 
or the Music Digest etc etc.

Ajit Nair
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From: ck@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Chandrasekhar Kambhampati)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Tamilnadu.
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:13:05 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
>  
>         Bijoy, your response to Kuram Narayana's posting, shows me
>         how seriously one can be misled !! Kuram Narayana seems to
>         suffer from tamilophobia and he is probably following on the
>         footsteps of a nettor from 'gmuvax';-) 

Oh no! Oh No! Selvakumar you are wrong!
The man from GMUVAX suffers from SL-Tamilophobia!
So unles you prove that Kuram Narayana also suffers from SL-Tamilophobia
you cannot say he is following in his footsteps. But ofcourse if you say
that SL-Tamils, and the Tamilians from India are the same, then there
are many who would ask you to take a flying leep. 

On the other hand knowing the penchant for SL-Tamils - to abuse Indians
and yet at the same time embrass them as bretheren - I am not at all
surprised at your attempts to equate KTN to that ersthwhile prof from
GMUVAX!

>         In short Kuram Narayana's claims are simply outrageous.
>         He is merely trying to slander the rich culture of tamils.
>         [ it is also quite possible Kuram Narayana is trying to find
>          a parallel to Purushamedha yaaga which invlves human sacrifice]

Selva, you have so far been able to maintain your credibility by the
skin of your ---whatever it is........ so do not go done the road of
that other Canadian-LTTE-Terrorist-safely-enscounced-in-waterloo, who can 
march only left, left, left, like the proverbial one legged man! Unless
ofcourse you donot want to stand atall - then by all means play follow
the leader!

> - Selva

>        
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: harikuma@enterprise.ifp.uiuc.edu (G. Harikumar)
Subject: Re: Repost: Amendment to charter.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:30:06 GMT

"Paul C. Chemmanoor" <tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu> writes:


>2] Since I do not know if we have the majority with us, I request
>   that those who do not approve of religious propaganda send a mail
>   to paulchem@ucsu.colorado.edu with
>   'NO PROP' in the subject line.

>   Those who do not agree with these sentiments can send a mail to
>   paulchem@ucsu.colorado.edu with
>   'YES PROP' in the subject line.

It is not that simple. While I have no hassles about
this being a propaganda-free newsgroup, I am very much 
concerned about what exactly constitutes propaganda. 
"Propaganda" is a word loaded with negative connotations,
and it can mean completely different things to different
people. In short, what I am saying "no" to may not
be what nettor X says "no" to. 

For example, I think that the 
recent tensions that have sprung up between 
Muslims and Hindus in Kerala is very much
of concern to all Keralites. It is related to
our culture, and there should definitely be a 
place for the discussion of that sort of thing
in this newsgroup.

Also, any discussion of the gymnastics of our
"honourable" politicians will be necessarily 
incomplete without mention of their expertise
at playing the religious and castiest cards.  

I propose that we define exactly, in words of 
one syllable, what we want "propaganda" to mean
in this context, and that we postpone any voting
until a satisfactory definition is reached.  

To set the ball rolling, I propose that 


Propaganda = 

1	Any article that states explicitly that
	religion A is superior to religion B


2	Articles about "religio-political" activities
	outside Kerala. 

Harikumar.

PS. And Paul, I love reading your 
remniscences. Wish I could write 
as  well. More, please!

Hari.



             






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From: an4179@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Is Kerala Really Secular?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.culture.kerala
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:47:31 GMT

In wake of recent posting of Hindu Digest there has been
quite a few opposing letters.  Many have pointed out
that Kerala is the most secular state in the country.
If that is so, then can someone answer the following 
questions about Kerala

1. M. V. Kamath's article in recent Illustrated Weekly
posted on s.c.i. says the follwoing:

>The Shah Bano case only strengthened that feeling. In Kerala, the
>communist regime went to the extent of carving out a separate Muslim majority
>district, Malapuram, adding to the feeling that Muslims will never live
>peacefully side by side with Hindus. A similar district has been carved out in
>Tamil Nadu.


Is it secular to divide the state on religious grounds?

2. Recently, at a Muslim school in Kerala, the Muslim children 
said that singing Jana Gana Mana was against Islam.  The districe
administrators agreed...is that secular?

3. Is it secular for the Congress and Communists to align with
Muslim League?

Is Kerala really secular, or has it elevated the appeasement to 
an art form?

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From: aknair@eng.auburn.edu (Ajit K. Nair)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Sexual segregation
Date: 12 Jan 1993 14:21:24 -0600
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As Bijoy had mentioned sexual segregation in a state like Kerala,which leads thenation in many aspects,has always baffled me.I often wonder why inspite of the advances made in other fields especially education we are still reluctant to
liberate our minds in this regard.Here are two interesting incidents that come  to my mind.

1) There used to be a lady who used to stay quite close to where I was staying.
She was on the eternal lookout to see if any guys happened to talk to any girls.The moment she saw someone she used to go around telling that I saw Mr.X talking with Miss Y, and that there must be something going on between them etc etc

2) During my undergrad days in TVM Engg college,there used to a girl to whom I was acquainted.Now here comes the interesting part.On acouple of occassions when I happened to meet her outside the college,especially if she was with her
parents,she would just walk past without showing any signs of recognition.When  asked later she  replied saying that she was not sure what her parents would
think.

To me these two incidents show whats going in the mind of the an average  Keralite when it comes to the question of mingling or interaction between males and females. I am sure my fellow ackers would have experienced similar incidents.
From: indran@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Info on Rain Forests in Kerala/India ..
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:59:48 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <6JAN199312422055@elroy.uh.edu>, mece21x@elroy.uh.edu (Yesudas, Michael) writes:
> In article <C0E8FK.4Jy@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, kseethar@cs.ulowell.edu (Krishnan Seetharaman) writes...
>>Hi Folks:
>>forests in that area; also where to stay, what to see, etc.  Also is driving 
>>down from Bombay a good idea?
> 
> Plan your trip very well for the night halts. Else there will be lot of trouble.
> Pray that your car is in good shape. 
> 
> Sincerely
> Michael
> 

Indira Gandhi National Park (Silant valley ) is one of the largest rain 
forests in Asia. Forest dept is allowing visitors to the park. You can 
either walk (Rs 25.0 per person) or use dept. van (Rs 250.0). Private 
vehicles are not permitted in the park. You can contact the forest 
dept office at Palghat (first major railway station in kerala 
while comming via Tamil-Nadu) or Manarkadu to arrange the trip. As there are 
limited no of vehicles availiable few days advance booking will be helpful. 

...ravi
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: mmurali@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Magical_Flute)
Subject: Re: two questions ?
Organization: Dwaraka  
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:53:34 GMT

Mahesh V Tripunitara (tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu) wrote:

: Subramanian & Ayyappan are not the same. The former is a child of Shiva &
: Parvathi, while the latter was born to Shiva & Vishnu (who turned himself
: into a woman for the purpose...so the story goes). Also, Ayyappan rides
: a tiger & not a leopard. Apparently his mother on earth (Queen of Pandalam)
: was ill & only the milk from a tigress could cure her. And so her son
: fetched it for her after subjugating the tigers in the jungle.


The female form of Vishnu - Mohini - taken to trick the asuras
so that the devas could recover the nectar which was obtained
after churning the ocean.

Also it is tiger and not leopard.


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From: cs911093@ariel.yorku.ca (SHANTY KOKKAT)
Subject: re: Receipe
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:58:45 GMT

This is a reply to the posting by Geetha:

I think probably, you send a wrong file to ack..Any way..

As I said in the mail, fish recipe is not mine, I think it's from
chandramohan tthekath..I was going to post the fish recipe in to
the ack..

> Can you post some recipes for 'appam' and 'puttu'.  

Sure...

> I am not too familiar with malayalam names (spices etc).  I'll appreciate 
> if you can write in English in parenthesis.

Somebody else ask that too, what I am planning to do is put food names
into a file (in malayalam, hindi, and english) and post into ack.
The library have books with hindi-malayalam, and english-malayalam,
food names..But the thing is I have to go and get it, it takes one
hour to get there and it's very cold here in Toronto...May be I
can post that into ack this weekend..


shanty
From: satish@glob.Eng.Sun.COM (Satish Ramachandran - SunSoft Engineer)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Info on Rain Forests in Kerala/India ..
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:12:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: glob
Keywords: Mudumalai-Bandipur, Thekkady-Periyar, Silent Valley, etc.

In article <C0E8FK.4Jy@ulowell.ulowell.edu> you write:
>Hi Folks:
>
>I need this for someone in our department who will be visiting India in 
>late February. He will be in Bombay, and is interested in seeing the rain 
>forests in India.  From whatever I recollect arent the only rain forests 
>in India in Kerala?
>
>Can people who are familiar with the area please mail me any info they might
>have. Especially if there are any forest reserves/national parks/national
>forests in that area; also where to stay, what to see, etc.  Also is driving 
>-seethu


As someone who was intimately involved in conservation efforts in (S.) India
during my "younger" days, here is my input:

1)  check out the Nilgiris.  Mudumalai, Bandipur and the region there is
tropical, a rain-forest (though that term is much ballyhooed by the Westerners
who ought to know better), and teeming with wildlife still (well, relatively..)
I was there four months ago and had marvellous adventures with elephants,
bears, langurs/macaques, etc..  Some were almost fatal but far more
exciting than say, sitting idle and talking politics...

2)  check out the Wynad areas too -- Thekkady, Periyar, and of course a
place I am drawn to automagically:  Munnar.

3) from Munnar, it is but a short distance to Valparai and Parambikulam-
Aliyar and TopSlip in the Anamalai ranges.  Remember, miles don't map to
hours in India as in this country!

From (1), you can even cruise down to Nagarhole, a wildlife sanctuary in
Karnataka (about 80 kms from Bandipur or so). When Chinnappa Gowder was
in charge of that sanctuary, that place was about the best in the world.
Local (Coorg) and state politics entered the scene, hoodlums razed a large
part of the sanctuary to the ground to show their anger against CG and
he quit.  And the loss is India's and mankind's.

Let me know if you need more info.. IMO, the wildlife and forests in India
are a major heritage.  I find it somewhat sad that not many other Indians
share that view and involve in constructive action to preserve them.

-s
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