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From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: The Northern Islands
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:21:51 GMT

In article <192sfbINNa83@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>The northern islands were not anybody's territory, until Ainu came to 
>inhabit the islands a few thousand years ago.  ...
 [lines deleted]
>... Hence, Japanese legitimacy for claim of the Northern
>Islands is no more justified than Japanese claim for Hawaii, which was
>settled sooner by Japanese immigrants.  ...

Sorry, Henry -- aside from some errors in your statement,
it's anyway irrelevant.

The "legal basis" of the Japanese claim for the Chishima (Krill) islands
(against USSR/Russia, that is) is the treaty between Japan and USSR that
exchanged the southern half of Karafuto (Sakhalin) with the islands
(forgot the date: before WWII though).  Southern Sakhalin, in turn,
was approved as Japanese territory by the Portsmouth Treaty that ended
the Russo-Japanese War (1905).
The above is verified by the fact that Japan is making no claim for
Sakhalin, although (by your logic) it is possible since the time a Japanese
explorer Rinzou MAMIYA discovered the Mamiya Strait and proved that
Sakhalin is an island, and not part of mainland Siberia (in early 19C).

The 1956 treaty that restored diplomatic relationships between Japan
and USSR mentioned two of the four islands (Habomai, Shikotan) to be
returned in "the near future", which is not fulfilled to date and also
opposed by Japanese factions which called for all four islands to be
returned together.

-Yuzuru Hiraga
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: ggopalan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gouthaman Gopalan)
Subject: information on visa
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:58:34 GMT

Hai,

I need the following information for my plan to visit Japan,

1. what type of visa should I get as I have planned to stay for 1-2 years. My
nationality is Indian.

2.The address of japanese embassy nearest to columbus, Ohio

3. The possiblity of studying or working in Japan.

please reply to my e-mail address, thank you
Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:7942 ucb.study.abroad.japan:22
From: lindaa@omen.Berkeley.EDU (Linda Absher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,ucb.study.abroad.japan
Subject: Occupation Photos
Date: 11 Sep 92 05:12:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: omen.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,ucb.study.abroad.japan
Subject: Occupation Photos Wanted
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: 
Keywords:  Occupation, World War II


Mr. Y. Ishimatsu of the University of California at Berkeley, East Asian Library is looking
for photographs dating from the Allied Occupation of Japan.  Topics from military life,
everyday Japanese life, battle photos, *everything* is welcomed no matter what the quality.
Photos may be used for a photo essay book to be published in Japan.

If interested, please call or e-mail Mr. Ishimatsu at (510) 642-2556 or 
yishimat@library.Berkeley.edu.  His mailing address is:

	East Asian Library
	University of California at Berkeley
	Berkeley, CA 94720

OR:

Contact me and I'll put you in touch with Mr. Ishimatsu.





-- 
   $  Linda Absher		$ "Jane! Get me off of this               $ 
   $  lindaa@info.Berkeley.EDU	$      crazy thing!!!"                    $
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Racism in Japan
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:05:42 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

>A bit of a correction here; you use the word "West" when it is apparent you
>mean "US". The concept of race in Europe appears MUCH closer to the Japanese
>concept you describe later. The Germans (Nazis) constantly referred to the
>Jewish race, when by your (ie, US) definition, they are not a separate race
>at all. Given the ethnic conflicts in various parts of Europe today, it seems
>obvious that their definition of race is not limited to black/white/brown/
>yellow/etc.

No, I mean West. I do not see where I have indicated that US or Western racism
is in any way limited to black/white/brown/yellow/etc. It is my very point that
racism, anywhere in the world, is not in any way confined to such limitations.
Robert Miles is British and the vast majority of his research is done in
Britain and Europe. I am using Robert Miles definition of racism, which he
labels as Western, to examine Japanese racism.

smittie
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GEnie, MCI, AOL:Smittie | If all of us were as smart as we think we are the
smittie@beach.csulb.edu |  current world problems would be yesterday's news.
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From: lindaa@omen.Berkeley.EDU (Linda Absher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Mr. Baseball
Date: 10 Sep 1992 06:16:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: omen.berkeley.edu

-- 
   $  Linda Absher		$ "Jane! Get me off of this               $ 
   $  lindaa@info.Berkeley.EDU	$      crazy thing!!!"                    $
   $				$    -George Jetson, "The Jetsons"        $
From: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Any Japanese Pussy Available?
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:16:12 GMT
Reply-To: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Organization: Horizon Research

In article <1473500057@igc.apc.org>, anlyyao@igc.apc.org 
(Goetz Kluge) writes:
=> 
=> Hi Bill,
=> 
=> thanks for the intduction into american slang. Oops! Well, in German
=> we also have slang, but I better won't elaborate...

Sorry to be instructive in tone, but some other people seem also to have
missed the proper interpretation of that rude slang. In the interest
of our wide readership, please spare us the German slang this time.

=> Of course I described some stereotypic behaviour. Those conflicts may
=> be the reasons for the work of my divorce lawyer friend. - My message
=> was by the way from me (Goetz Kluge), my wife is An-Ly Yao  :-).
=> I think, we don't suffer from these contradictory expectations and
=> won't have any business contact with my friend in Hamburg.

May you never!

=> Claws? You never know in these days!
=> 
=> bye, Goetz

Uh.... I know enough to get out when I'm ahead.... or at least tied.
Take care.....

- Bill
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese immigration
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:02:18 GMT
	<1650@frf.omron.co.jp>
	<HARKCOM.92Sep11100656@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp's message of 11 Sep 92 01:06:56 GMT

In article <HARKCOM.92Sep11100656@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp>
   harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom) writes:

 =} [...catch-22...]
 =}
 =}   An excellent book (which I haven't read since high school).  If my
 =}memory isn't pickled yet, then the author is Kurt Vonnegut.

   I stand corrected (well actually I'm sitting down)...  Joseph Heller
is the author of "Catch 22".

   And the general meaning of the term 'catch 22' is 'to be in a
situation where no matter what you do you will lose.   And for those
who like "harsher" English phrases, back home we say "Damned if ya do.
Damned if'n ya don't."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: nishiyam@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (NISHIYAMA  KOHTARO)
Subject: How Japan is contributing to the 3rd World countries.
Summary: Asking how Japan is contributing to developing countries.
Keywords: ODA
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:01:53 GMT



Hello.  My name is Kohtaro Nishiyama.

I would like to learn how Japan is contributing to the third world countries.
For example, how much money Japan is spending annually as ODA (Official
Developmental Aid, I suppose), or how Japan is dealing with environmental 
hazzard caused by Japanese firms operating in developing countries.
I would also like to learn the same things for the United States.

If you are familiar with this issue, please write me back.  I will greatly 
appreciate it.

Last year, I established with several American friends a group called 
Japan-U.S. Association at the University of Colorado, Boulder Campus.
We are studying Japan-U.S. relaitons, and trying to promote better
understanding of current political, economic, and social issues between 
the United States and Japan.  I might post questions here from time to time
from now on.  



Kohtaro Nishiyama
The President of Japan-U.S. Association
Where there is a will, there will be an accomplishment.
Where there is a hope, there will be a future.
Everything is thought in mind at first, and then becomes reality.
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: savings accounts
Date: 6 Sep 92 23:00:51 GMT
	<NAKASIMA.92Sep2161722@aoi.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp>
	<3822@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov> <1992Sep3.212828.23551@oracle.us.oracle.com>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: vsanjeev@us.oracle.com's message of 3 Sep 92 21:28:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.212828.23551@oracle.us.oracle.com> vsanjeev@us.oracle.com 
  (Vasant Sanjeevan) writes:

 =}It cost me Y2000 to transfer Y1000000 from my Citibank Japan account to
 =}a US bank.  This was about 3 years ago, though.

   Citibank now has an account that can be accessed in the US in dollars
and in Japan in yen...  I heard many good things about it from a friend
(who works at Citibank) but I haven't tried it yet.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: tony2@prefect.uucp (21131-gozdz)
Subject: Re: Need advice on Nartia to Kawasaki
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 12:02:08 GMT

In article <190pftINN117@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>If you can ask your friend to make a reservation for you on the Narita Express,
>it will take you to Ueno or Tokyo station.  There is a line that goes
>from Tokyo to Kawasaki via Yokohama.  The last train lines are typically 11:30
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The last time I checked, Kawasaki was still BETWEEN
Tokyo and Yokohama :-), only 20 min from the
former (Tokyo Station -> Kawasaki via Tokaido Line).
Unless, of course, you prefer some convoluted route.

>PM to 12:30AM.  Sounds like you may be pushing a bit, but if you are not
>burdened by luggage too much then I suspect you can make it.  When I
>fled Japan on a fiscal-emergency basis this summer, I carried two large
>suitcases on the Yamanote line from Shibuya to Tokyo, then took the slow
>local line to Narita (which is cheaper than the express & doesn't
>require reservations).  As long as you don't mind looking like a fool,
>anything is possible.
>

Tony

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: justin@mik.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Japanese Customs (not Immigration)
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:42:28 GMT

Yoichi Ii writes
> Moustache used to be fairly rare in Japan, but today I see a lot 
> of younger men sporting facial hairs ... perhaps the influence of 
> prince what-his-name :-).  Maybe a moustache by itself is no longer
> a reson for a search ...

   Okay.. But I thought one of the distinguishing features of most orientals  
(especially Japanese) was a total lack of facial hair (I have seen a goatee  
on a Chinese fellow though, and in all honesty, I found it most unappealing).
Influence eh? Hmm.. Well, there are more curious phenomenon around.
   Anyone care to discuss why Japanese kids are such good dressers?  
<seriously> I have no idea how many readers of this group are aware of the  
GARGANTUAN Toyota plant in Georgetown, but it has had a tremendous influence  
on the area. I guess Martha Layne (governor at the time the plant was  
announced) didn't figure that there was no way the Japanese were going to  
live in the styx, so they all moved here to Lexington, a good-sized wealthy  
modern place. :)
   The first things one notices is that they're much smarter (and MUCH better  
disciplined) then American brats. The next thing you get to is how um..  
'upperclass' they look. They live in very nice houses (in very expensive  
neighborhoods), they dress in a very appealing manner (different from  
American fashions.. more conservative, but still something nice to look at!  
:), and they only hang out with other Japanese... (they don't seem to like  
speaking English, either)
   Haven't met many parents yet..
From: kwansl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Siew_Leong Kwan)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:55:56 GMT
Subject: Y$ needed for Japanese Vcrs in Tokyo
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan

 Hi,

 I have a friend coming to Tokyo and I would like to
buy a vcr there. I have the following in mind.

VICTOR HRZ1
VICTOR HRX1 LIMITED edition
VICTOR HRX1
VICTOR HRV1

Can someone find out the prices in Tokyo in Akihabara and
let me know the phone number of the shop also?

I understand these ar 100v domestic models and have no english
instructions.

Thanks
Allan
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Yo!  Need a new news group!!!!
Date: 9 Sep 1992 05:23:59 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

I don't agree. I don't know why you're complaining, but you don't
have to read it if you don't want to. Some people find these postings
interesting, topical, and relevent. 

- Bill Lambert

Sure, you can post whatever you want.  But if you're going to do so,
could you at least keep the topic in the same string?  It tires my
fingers to keep pressing the "k" key over&over.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.latin-american
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Why the Fascination?
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:25:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep4.212510.27293
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <3825@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>In article <laam02INNmu@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> fugitt@tempus.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>>In article 123925RSAYLC@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com, RSAYLC@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (Larry E. Cravetz) writes:
>
>>> For what it's worth, I believe that what you are seeing is the 'grass is
>>> always greener on the other side of the fence' phenomenon.
>.....
>
>>From my own experience I would tend to agree with Larry's comments.
>.....
>
>   Interestingly, a similar phenomenon is observed in rodents, and this may
>be explained biologically. A recent article in the scientific journal 
>(Nature, 352:619-621, 1991) showed interesting data and a discussion.
>Although the interpretation of this phenomenon is stil controversial (ibid.,
>356:293-294, 1992), it seems that the preference in a sexual behavior of mice
>is determined by the genetic type of a certain protein called MHC. In other
>words, a mouse picks up another mouse with a different MHC type as a partner
>more frequently, and the animals with a same MHC mate less frequently than
>expected. In this sense, they are also attracted by someone exotic.
>
>   If the "next door's greener grass" phenomenon is something biologically
>determined, I wonder why non-Japanese women around me don't admire my sexy 
>nerdiness...8-)

So maybe this has something to do with instinct and natural selection?
A strategy for preserving the human species? You mean this is not just
a case of white psycho men preying on innocent, unsuspecting Asian
females? Interesting...

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: Re: Any Japanese P...(beep) Available?
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:15:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.183120.3934@cs.ucla.edu> kanekawa@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Nobuyasu Kanekawa) writes:
>It was supposed to have teeth instead of claws in ancient Japanese myth. :-)
>And I heard that an ancient Japanese custom OHAGURO, - women colored 
>teeth in black to camouflage them in ancient times is related to this
>myth.  (Sorry if my knowledge is incorrect.)

	Howard Sterns had a documentary blurb
	about the Japanese Fertility Festival
	on one of his shows this past summer.

	It was pretty good (informative and tasteful :-)
	and yes, it was teeth, STEEL teeth.

						Gerard

-- 

pssres12@ucs.usl.edu	Gerard Vignes, USL PO Box 42709, Lafayette LA 70504 USA
From: Manjit_Bedi@mindlink.bc.ca (Manjit Bedi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Need advice on Nartia to Kawasaki
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:10:02 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

I am supposed to land at 8:40 PM on Sept. 21rst and I am possibly going to stay
at a freind's place.  But he lives in Kawasaki.  Is it an impossible dream to
hope to make to his apartment the same night?  How long does the Narita
express train take to get Yokohama station?  I could at least taxi from
the station to his apartment.  I am concerned that by the time I clear
customs it may be kind of late.

I have been there before.  I lived in Osaka for awhile.  So I speak some
Japanese
but I am very unfamiliar with Narita airport.

Manjit
--
        Manjit Bedi
                ( Manjit_Bedi@mindlink.bc.ca or manjit@inde.bc.ca )
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:44:46 -0400 
From: Hiroshi Haga <hh0u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Attractive, Wealthy Japanese Woman Sought
	<1830@hsdndev.UUCP>

>>Oh Gerard, you're such a card! Everyone knows "gaijin" is
>>the Japanese word for "Cajun". Whatta guy!
>
>  What?  Excuse me! Who or What told you so? 
>  I'm a Japanese, but taught that 'gaijin' means 'foreigner'
>in English. 

I thought whoever said Gaijin means Cajun was just joking....how naive
of me.

p.s. I'm looking for an attractive, wealthy lady of any race who want
to be a patron of a poor college student, too.  Know any such a
generous person??


Hiroshi Haga 
$@K'2l(J $@Bg;V(J(hh0u+@andrew.cmu.edu)

"You're not Gaijin, there is no nation called Gaijin in this world. 
          I'm a human, and so are you." - from Tokyo Babylon vol. 2 by CLAMP.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: pavlik@apap4.pap.univie.ac.at
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: travelling
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:33:45 GMT
Organization: Vienna University Computer Center

In article <1992Sep4.230659.5806@news2.cis.umn.edu>, mbuntan@epx.cis.umn.edu writes:
> 
> Could anybody help me answer these questions about
> travelling in Japan?

> Is it better to buy a train ticket from here?
> (I mean the type you can used for one or two weeks?)

  Yes !

  One or two week rail passes are only sold outside Japan.

  Andreas Pavlik
  University of Vienna
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Followup: Chinese communists & Japanese Imperial Army
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:18:15 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:

>doesn't this thing between Dave and Yuson belong in email or alt.flame or some
>where else???

Unfortunately I have to pay for email to non-*.jp (see signature). I
hope you don't feel my replies were flames because I was doing my
best to leave the door open to what I hope was some useful
communication (if not, please advise). If not, well, hmmm, I guess
it's not worth continuing. 

As it is, we now seem to be back to the usual state of affairs for
s.c.j: non-Japanese/non-Asians debating things Japanese/Asian. The
"Letter to the Emperor Flame War" might have been heavy, but it
least we heard from some of the people who live(d) here.

Oh well....

Dave

--
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JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: htakeda@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject: Hiroshima U?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:49:29 GMT

I missed a message from Hiroshima(?) U. about an ICS
graduate program in english.
Could someone forward me that message?
Thanks
===============================================================
htakeda@bonnie.ics.uci.edu

HIRO "The HAB" Takeda
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ALL THIS TIME - STING
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From: rehir@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Hirokatsu Watanabe 432-2275)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: The Northern Islands (CORRECTION)
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:30:20 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School

In article <1992Sep15.082029.10048@Csli.Stanford.EDU> hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.222151.25902@Csli.Stanford.EDU> I wrote:
>>The "legal basis" of the Japanese claim for the Chishima (Krill) islands
>>(against USSR/Russia, that is) is the treaty between Japan and USSR that
>>exchanged the southern half of Karafuto (Sakhalin) with the islands
>>(forgot the date: before WWII though).  Southern Sakhalin, in turn,
>>was approved as Japanese territory by the Portsmouth Treaty that ended
>>the Russo-Japanese War (1905).
>
>OK, my mistake... The exchange treaty was 1875, swapping all of Sakhalin
>(to Russia) with all of Krills (to Japan).  Southern Sakhalin was a later
>issue.
>In the 1951 San Francisco Treaty, Japan abandoned claims for the
>greater part of the Krills, though, I believe, not including the
>four islands.  USSR however, did not join this treaty, being at the time
>of Korean War.
>
   I guess, the claim of the Japanese government for the Northern Islands
is based on the first treaty between Rossia and Japan (Tokugawa govern-
ment) in 1854. In this treaty it was unclear which countries Sakhalin and
Krill islands up north from Urup island belong to. However, the treaty
said that the Krill islands up south from Etorof island belong to Japan.
Therefore, the Japanese government asserts these islands originally
belong to Japan.
   The later, the exchange treaty in 1875 decided which countries Sakhalin
and Krill islands up north from Urup island blong to.

   In my opinion, I hope Japanese who had lived in these islands before
1945 can free visit their family's graves. (Actually it is going.)
However, what will the Japanese government do for Rossian who live
in these islands now, if they return to Japan?

*********************************
*      Hirokatsu Watanabe       *
*********************************
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Yo! Need a new news group!!!!
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:48:59 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:

>In article <189qoaINNduu@agate.berkeley.edu>, robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu 
>(Henry Robertson) writes:
>=> All this stuff on 19th century/early 20th century Japanese military history
>=> is getting out of hand!  We need to form a new newsgroup called
>=> soc.history.japan.

>I don't agree. I don't know why you're complaining, but you don't
>have to read it if you don't want to. Some people find these postings
>interesting, topical, and relevent. 

Agreed. 

I've learned a lot of history reading the posts although sometimes
it does feel like I've stumbled into soc.history.military.japan :-) 

But then I have some offline friends who also enjoy the same subject
and when I went back to the U.S. to visit my daughter and her family
the one and only thing they wanted was a board-type war game....
I've never played, but it's kind of interesting to hear them talk
about it. 

Beside, if somebody doesn't like the topics/threads others are
putting up, they can just start another. 

Dave

--
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JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087