HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: buckmr@vccsouth19.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Dyke to head HHS
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:34:25 GMT

scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:

>In article <q_h24nr@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccnw06.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>>Speaking of which, can someone explain to me why JIM MCRERY (R-LA) from the 5th
>>Congressional District was re-elected on Tuesday November 3rd after being outed
>>reasonably efectively by _The Advocate_? 
>>
>>The conservative voters of New Orleans re-elected a known homosexual to 
>>reprsent them in Congress?

>An open lesbian won a local election here in Albuquerque last Nov. 3.
>Her male opponent, who kept sexuality out of the election, told the media 
>that he didn't feel it was proper to make her sexuality an election issue.

Yeah but I had heard briefly that McRery's sexuality HAD come up in the
election. After all, he is a Family-values Republican congressman who has been
outed as a closet homosexual. Does anyone have any details on that election?

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ***Clinton-Gore 92***
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Dick--my bottom hurts just thinking about it!" - MADONNA, _Dick Tracy_ sndtrck
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From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Subject: Re: Check Your Local Paper Re:  Inaugural
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:57:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.130349.9466@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:
>Yesterday's press conference about Clinton's Inaugural Parade
>on January 20 included the news that one of the groups
>performing at the Parade will be the "Lesbian and Gay
>Band of America" (sic).
>
>(Actually, although it is true that we will be
>performing "at the parade," we will not be marching --
>we will be stationed alongside the parade route, performing
>for parade spectators.)
>
>Today's Minneapolis Star Tribune included a small article
>in their "Nation" section that included this news.  This
>leads some of us to think that the story was picked up in
>other papers around the country -- and perhaps the world,
>who knows?.
>
>I ask soc.motss readers, as a favor, to check your local
>papers today for atricles about the Inauguration that
>mention the Lesbian and Gay band.  We are trying
>to collect these articles for our records.
>
>If you find an article are willing to cut it out
>and send it to me, please send me email (so I can avoid
>asking more than one person to go to the trouble).
>So far I have the article from the Minneapolis and the
>article in today's Washington Post.
>
>Thanks for any help you can offer here.

It /definitely/ was in the international Herald Tribune this morning,
so I can guarantee that is all over the world; I'll get a copy of USA
Today, and the International Wall Street Journal and see it it appears
elsewhere.
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
From: aaronm@ccmail.orst.edu (Mithran Aaron)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: first message
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Keywords: none
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:32:41 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University Libraries
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sorry about this test
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:39:11 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <71642@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>Boy, Steve -- you *really* don't know much about my taste in music.
>
>I thought I'd make a wild guess.
>
Wild, yes; bizarre, apparently not.
Really Steve, I thought you'd have learned after the "peanut butter and
jelly sammiches" fiasco.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: When Lesbians Kiss
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:57:25 GMT

In article <1gmm2cINNfar@roche.csl.sri.com> kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae) writes:
>	Heard on Rossane tonight:
>		"Whenever lesbians kiss, another angel gets it's wings..."
>	That show has gotten *cool*!

Yup.  I especially liked the discussion of impregnation
while Dan was basting the turkey.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:30:51 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <cccrsbc8.724635893@brolga> 
cccrsbc8@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (cc rs) writes:

> I was wondering if you guys would mind contributing
> to a list of books by GLB authors or about GLB topics
> that you would recommend as essential motss reading:

John Fox, "Boys on the Rock"
Ronald Firbank, "Concerning the Eccentricities of Cardinal Pirelli"
Ronald Firbank, "Valmouth"
Ronald Firbank, "Prancing Nigger"
Frank O'Hara, "Selected Poems"

Arne



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From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: Please ignore
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:51:25 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>(ObMotss: So... how 'bout them genitalia?)

Just fine, thank you.

jeff -- who reads just *everythaaang* from his favorite nephew.
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Outed to your parents. - Advice.
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:35:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec18.083506.26926
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Dec17.160821.17646@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
>Tell your friend that his mother's reaction is not unusual...there are still
>some strong cultural problems inherant in finding out a child is lesbigay.
>Tell him to give her a little time, and a lot of understanding, and she may
>before long come around.

Most importantly, tell him to do his best to make himself independent
of his mother. Financial independence, emotional independence.

It's tough to do, but it's necessary for sanity, particularly when Mom
doesn't like that her son is queer.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/   You're free, so anything could happen, so happy birthday
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Bibles (was Re: King James Version)
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:35:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.172553.3098@draco.macsch.com> bjb@macsch.com (Bryan J. Blumberg) writes:
>
>I thought that some of the people on soc.motss may have wondered
>exactly what these quotes were, so I'm posting them below:

FWIW: The word "sodomite" is not in the original Hebrew in any
form. According to Jewish tradition, Sodom was destroyed for
inhospitality and cruelty to the poor; this is clear from Ezekiel
16:49. I'm posting the translations of the Hebrew texts from the
Jewish Publication Society's translation _Tanakh_, which is a bit
more faithful to the original Hebrew.

>King James Version
Jewish Publication Society (JPS) translation

>1.  LEVITICUS 18:22
>
>     "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind:  it is
>abomination." (KJV)

"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; it is an
abhorrence." (JPS)


>2.  LEVITICUS 20:13
>
>     "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
>both of them have commmitted an abomination:  they shall surely
>be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (KJV)

"If a man lies with a male as one lies with a woman, the two of
them have done an abhorrent thing; they shall be put to death--
their bloodguilt is upon them." (JPS)

>3.  DEUTERONOMY 23:17
>
>     "There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a
>sodomite of the sons of Israel." (KJV)

"No Israelite woman shall be a cult prostitue, nor shall any
Israelite man be a cult prostitute." (JPS)

This is Deut. 23:18 in the JPS bible, but Christian chapter/verse
numbering differs from Jewish in some places; perhaps this is one
of them.

This verse seems to have nothing to do with homosexuality; ritual
prostitution was a part of many contemporaneous societies (e.g.
the worship of Astarte), and to my knowledge it was not
necessarily homosexual. I think KJV is just plain wrong here.

>4.  I KINGS 14:24
>
>     "And there were also sodomites in the land:  and they did
>according to all the abominations of the nations which the Lord
>cast out before the children of Israel." (KJV)

"There were also male prostitutes in the land. [Judah] imitated
all the abhorrent practices of the nations that the LORD had
disposessed before the Israelites." (JPS)

Since 14:23 describes the setting up of pagan shrines, this verse
is presumably also about idolatry. Again, there is no reason to
think this verse talked about homosexual prostitution, and the
word "sodomy" has nothing to do with the Hebrew text. On the
other hand, Deuteronomy condemns the aboriginal nations for
homosexuality (I can't find the verse offhand), so this reading
is plausible.

Mind you, I'm not claiming the Jewish bible is gay-positive, but
it certainly is not as bad as the King James Version portrays it.
(Also note that the Jewish Bible, unlike Paul, never condemns the
attraction at all, never calls the act "unnatural", and never
condemns or criticizes sex between women.)

Whee, wasn't this fun?
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"SILENCE = QUIET"
                --Girljock Magazine
From: key@soda.berkeley.edu (peter li'ir key)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: AIDS Sweeps Asia is Bogus
Date: 15 Dec 1992 16:35:01 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu



rate of aids cases increasing in asia
rate of aids cases decreasing in north america
hrm...
but anyhow

it strikes me that it would be nice if mr hu's analysis was correct.
it would be a dream come true if aids ever became a trivial malady.

however, the loss of a single human life is tragic.  no matter how
loathsome you may find them.  mr hu admits that there will be an
increase of aids cases in asia.  rather than working to prevent aids
he goes around saying there isn't a need to doing anything about it.

peter li'ir key, queer korean
key@soda.berkeley.edu
From: kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Roseanne and The "Faggot" Insult (was Re: When Lesbians Kiss)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:42:46 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Menlo Park, California, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: regal.cisco.com
Keywords: Roseanne, Newsweek, Unconcious marines, straight friends, Too Out

In article <1992Dec16.195318.19119@exu.ericsson.se> exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey) writes:
>
>Yeah, but the whole "Roseanne Is Cool" aura wears off a little when I
>read in Newsweek, as I did in this week's issue (with Princess Di on
>the cover (incidentally, let me direct this message of support to Di:
>"go on girl!")), that she called some TV reviewer a "faggot" because
>the reviewer wrote a negative review of Tom Arnold's new show, The
>Jackie Thomas Show.  Does this rub anybody else the wrong way?


	I think the deal is this; Roseanne is a hothead, and prone
	to stupid behaviour. So, not really quite thinking it through,
	she just shot off this silly, nasty letter to the cat. Sure,
	it was immature; sure, she used 'faggot' as a derogatory. Yeah,
	that was bad. But shit, no one claimed she's perfect. It's her
	very imperfection that makes her cool; she's got the balls to
	just be a loud, obnoxious broad, and make a living at it.

	The point is that, aside from certain stupidities like that
	letter, she's very obviously queer friendly (Just take a look
	at her show some time), so I think she gets a bit of slack.



	...The funniest part of the whole thing with the reviewer is that
	she *also* answered him with this week's episode of her hubby's 
	new show (The Jackie Thomas SHow); she addresses all his major
	jibes at the show all in that one episode, and made in screamingly
	funny.

			-Karl


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: Ken Reeves, first black, openly gay mayor in the US
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 20:36:51 GMT


The article mentions that Reeves is one of three openly gay mayors in
the country.  Anyone know who the other two are?

--scoT

-- 
 ______  | Scot N. Gibson  | "At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-- |
 \    /  | Stanford Univ.  |  Almost, at times, the Fool."          |
  \  /   +-----------------+-------------+             - T.S. Eliot |
   \/    | prufrock@leland.stanford.edu  |--------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (James Carroll)
Subject: Re: Ellen Degeneres (was Re: Margaret Cho Alert!!)
Organization: CNS User Services, University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:19:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.150015.16569@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald L Yarman) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.195025.25226@samba.oit.unc.edu> czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu 
>(Season Marie Taylor) writes:
>>In article <168BAAB00.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu writes:
>>
>>>Because I am gay I would kill to have sex with Ellen Degeneres, and
>>>at the risk of starting another round of those dreadful is-she-or-
>>>isn't-she threads, is she or isn't she? And what about Paula Pound-
>>>stone?
>
>My sincerest holiday wish for you all is that Ellen Degeneres
>*is*.  She's fabulous; it'd be great to have her in our camp.
>Yes, even though I'm gay, I'd kill to have sex with her.  Well,
>I'd kill to talk with her for a *really* long time.
>
At the risk of starting a line, I too, would kill to do either.  :-)

>I love Paula Poundstone too; her "I'm up to a box of Poptarts
>a day" routine had me in pain because I was laughing so hard.
>And the pilot bit:  "People on the left . . . we HATE the
>people on the right."  Brilliance.

Both routines had me in stiches.  "...look at all the really cool stuff!"

>
>--Don

-James

-- 
I'm feeling kinda loose, I'm feeling kinda mean       | First I was a murderer
I've been feeling kinda wild since I turned seventeen | Then I was a saint
- Melissa Etheridge, "Ain't It Heavy"                 | -The Glove,
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-jcarroll@brahms.udel.edu-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| "Like An Animal"
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From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: RE: Indications of homosexuality (was Re: How to tell if your son is gay)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:17:31 GMT

In article <14DEC92.22441157@enh.nist.gov>, aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
> I wouldn't let a hair dyer touch mine either.

Wait a minute! Who said anything about *dyeing*? (I assume this has
nothing to do with our good friend Steve.)

> I simply shower, comb,
> and let dry.  It takes about an hour to dry, and this isn't a problem
> since I do live in a warmer climate, although temperatures in the
> morning have been in the 40's.

Poor baby. You want some snow? I'll send you a package.

> I've done the various color
> things and won't make that mistake again.

Oh. I see.

> I also did the perm thing.

My mind simply *will not* grasp this image. Are there photographs?
(I'm inclined to hope not, actually.)

> Shampoo every morning, and condition once a week, only if absolutely
> necessary.  Let dry.  No artificial goop.  Voila.  Hair.

Well, this is about how I treat my hair (which I no longer allow to
get as long as Sim's, but is now approaching its limit), except that I
condition it every time I shampoo (every other day), to keep it from
achieving the texture of straw. Shower before breakfast; by the time
I'm ready to leave the house, my hair is dry enough to brush. (If I
brush it wet, it looks unrelievedly and incurably awful for the rest
of the day.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Parking (was Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads ... ))
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:15:49 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>>I'm sufficiently militant on my bicycle now that I won't get out of
>>>the way of cars behind me unless it is convenient.
>>Dangerous or not, I always feel guilty doing this.

>Stop feeling guilty about it. Your taxes pay for the roads, too. Your
>safety needs are greater. And most cars treat you like shit, so you
>have to demand your space. No need to be rude, but don't risk wiping
>out at 25 mph because you felt like you had to pull off onto the
>gravel shoulder to let some stupid petrol-burning hunk of iron get past you.
>
>ObMotss - militant queer, militant cyclist? One of Portland's local

	Snore - we have plenty of militant bicyclists here too...
I don't mind them except that 1) there is not enough romo for a car
to fit in a lane with a militant bicyclist without having to swerve to
the opposite lane to get around him/her. 2) bicyclists rarely
if ever follow the rules of the road.  Apparently stop signs,
red lights, pedestrians, signaling, etc are all optional (this
isn't true in Massachusetts, and every know an d then I have to hear
baout someome whining their ass off about how they got
a ticket on a bicycle!

	A lot ocould be alleviated on both sides if the bicyclists would
stay off the busiest streets, move one block over and take that
instead.  While that might sound like "get them out
of my way" I think it lets them not have to worry about getting hit
as much and frees up the roads with the most traffic to a predominant
mode of travel. when I had a bike and sused it regularly, I hated
taking the busiiest streets for that reason - there are too many
things to be careful about!

	I would prefer to see bike paths, etc. all over
the place, too - and I support systems for public transportation
where bicyclists are allowed to mount their vehicles to the back of the bus
or subway car, etc.  I think it woiuld also be useful to have 
non-motor malls in the centers of cities, but face it - real estate is
expensive and t's hard to get that kind of lobby going.
And for cities like Boston, the urban planning goes back to
cow paths, for Waldeaux's sake, not even circa 1930-present.

	But, as for bicycle militancy: if anything horrible should
ever haoppen, and you're not obeying the rules of the road at the time,
you can expect that I'm going to nail your sorry ass in the
accident report.

ObMotss: So are there any bike-oriented GBLO*-attachments?

BBC
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Straight Friend's Opinions (was Re: Roseanne and The "Faggot" Insu
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:01:24 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <92352.154730ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu> ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu (The Dreamer) writes:
>exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey) writes:
>>>                         To anyone else who has a straight friend with
>>>whom they talk about these types of things, is your philosophy "either
>>>you're 100% with me, or you're against me" with regards to Gay Issues?
>
>     My best friend is straight and he is not 100% with me on gay issues.
>He is allowed to have his opinions and I am allowed to have mine.  If they
>are different in some cases, then we have something to talk about.  For
>example, if he thinks that he still wants to have a Coors Light despite the
>fact that Colorado passed CO-2, that is his option.  I will try to show him
>why I am not going to drink any Coors products and it is his option to agree
>or disagree.  In the case that he does not agree, he is not 100% with me.
>     Why should I expect him to be 100% with me on gay issues when the gay
>community itself is not in 100% agreement on things like the boycott?

Boycotts are peripheral to the issue of gay rights.  One can believe in
gay rights yet feel that a boycott is not the answer to the problem.
However, a "friend" who does not want to recognize you as a complete
human being with valid feelings and emotions is not a friend in my book.
A friend has to *believe* in you.  Those who are merely tolerant can
be nice, compassionate people but are more like associates than true
friends.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Lesbian opera queens
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:27:38 GMT

In article <1gdp8gINN30i@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>Are there any lesbian cults on a par with the whole opera-, 
>movie-, Broadway-queen cults among (many) gay men?  

Therapy.  Sigh.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ellen Degeneres (was Re: Margaret Cho Alert!!)
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:44:01 GMT
	<1992Dec11.195025.25226@samba.oit.unc.edu>
	<1992Dec14.182415.19472@pbs.org>
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Dec14.182415.19472@pbs.org> sdonahue@pbs.org (Susan Donahue (10,000 Maniacs minus 1)) writes:

	   Unless I completely MISHEARD her, I believe Paula Poundstone outed
	   herself 2 weeks ago on Garrison Keillor's American Radio Company
	   of the Air.  I was too overjoyed, upon hearing it, [in the midst of
	   a routine about politics] that I din't get the exact words.  But I
	   was making an audio tape and can re-listen to the segment.

	   After I listen to it tomorrow, I'll get the words & let you know.

Please do, I'm a big fan of Paula's, but I don't know how seriously to
take this.  In the interviews I've read, she's stated that she just
isn't interested in sex.
--

  - Ronald Hayden

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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:12:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.000732.1791@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>As far as I can tell, a CD can be made to sound indistinguishable from its
>corresponding vinyl ...

Unless I was unaware of the medium on which the music was being
played, I still wouldn't like it.  <grin>  My CD collection is modest
not because of poor sound quality (in fact, 10,000 Maniacs, Enya,
TMBG and Pink Floyd tend to sound pretty good on CD), but because I
simply prefer having LPs.  That's what *music* means to me: a big flat
black vinyl disc.  Anything else is just fluff.

Of course, the fact that remastered CDs of Jefferson Airplane make my
speakers sound as if they're filled with cotton doesn't hurt.

>One of the BAS issues had a cute summary of some AES meetings where one guy
>claimed that listing to digital audio made one "weaker".  Someone would
>stretch an arm out with the vinyl playing and be able to keep an arm out-
>stretched even while someone was pressing down on it.  Then a CD would be
>played, and the person's arm would be pushed down immediately.  Gasp.

Is this supposed to be like a good orgasm, or what?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
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