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From: MEG04@ALBNYDH2.BITNET
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Vital Signs '92 Conference
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:27:22 GMT
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New York State's EMS Conference will begin Friday, November 13
with 4 preconference workshops:
1.  Ambulance Accident Prevention Seminar Instructor Course
(instructors:  Dr. Stephen Solomon, Ed Stapleton, Trooper Robert
Faugh, Rich Guerin, and Bob Elling.  The last two are primary
authors of the course.)
2.  Transportation Rescuse.  Doug Garretson will present EMS & Rescue:
Hand in Hand, Joel Woods will cover General Aviation, and Ron Moore
will cover New Vehicle Technology.
3.  Evaluating Your EMS System: How Would Your Service Measure Up?
The irrepressible Jack Stout will handle this one.
4.  Medical Director's Workshop.
Leading members of NY ACEP will be the faculty.

The main conference runs Saturday and Sunday, with keynotes by
Roger White, MD, FACC:  Emergency Cardiac Care in the 90's
R. Jack Ayers, Jr.:  Common Clains and Legal Problems for EMS Providers and
    How to Avoid Them
Mike Taigman:  A Commitment to Excellence
Mark Henry, MD, FACEP: Poisoning: Critical Prehospital Intervention

Workshops will cover OSHA, Complex Arrhythmias, Thrombolysis, Psych
Emergencies, OB Emergencies, EKGs, Altered Mental Status, Legal Issues,
and other facinating topics.

To get a conference brochure:
E-mail to meg04@albnydh2.bitnet
snailmail to:  Vital Signs '92, State EMS Office, 74 State St., Albany,
    NY  12207
fax with your address to: 518-486-6216

                           Mike Gilbertson
                           (meg04@albnydh2.bitnet)
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:02:17 -0400
From:         Don't Tug On Superman's Cape! <STUECRWN@EKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: in school volunteer response

I'm an in-school on call firefighter. I am a CO-OP student with the Madison
County Fire Dept here in Richmond, KY. When I'm in my Fire and Safety classes
there isn't too much of a problem with responding from class. (They are
firefighters also and know how it is) When I'm in other (non-fire) classes, I
have to use my own judgement on whether I respond. If we're lecturing I'll
leave. A test I'll leave as soon as I'm done. Most of my teachers don't mind me
leaving as long as I don't abuse it by going on stuff that I'm not supposed to
just so I can get out of class. It takes a lot of judgement by the individual
in order to not have problems.
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!    Bob Corwin                         | Eastern Kentucky University         !
!    Greenport Fire Department #410     | Fire And Safety Engineering         !
!    Madison County Fire Dept. #219     | Association of Fire & Safety Techs. !
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!             "To Risky To Do Drunk, To Precious To Be Drugged!"              !
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From: MEG04@ALBNYDH2.BITNET
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: EMT-P training
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:26:50 GMT
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 sorry to bother everyone with this, I lost part of the dlyons' electronic
 address and can't reconstruct it.  hope you're out there, mr. lyons!
 .                           Mike Gilbertson
 .                           (meg04@albnydh2.bitnet)
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 To: DLYONS  --AC.DAL.C


 Here are the sites in NYS that offer EMT-P training:

 Arnot-Ogden Hosp      Elmira    Bob Rajsky  607-737-4455
 Booth Memorial Med    Flushing  Madeline Fong  718-670-1426
 Dutchess Comm College Poughkeepsie  Elliot Rudoy  914-471-4500 x 4707
 Emerg Care Institute  NY        Oscar LaPorte  212-312-5090
 EMS Academy (NYC*EMS) Queens    Gus Pappas     718-352-7001
 Erie Comm College     Buffalo   Pat Ware       716-648-5400
 Hudson Valley Comm Clg Troy     Bruce Olsen    518-270-1592
 Inst of Emerg Care    NY        John Clappin   212-790-7636
 Monroe Comm College   Rochester Marc Collolly  716-427-7710
 No. Shore Univ Hosp   Manhasset Pat Coonan     516-562-3781
 Nyack Hosp            Nyack     Bill Toon      914-356-6200
 Stony Brook Univ      Stony Brk Ed Stapleton   516-444-2827
 SUNY Health Sci       Syracuse  Dick Cherry    315-473-4363
 Bassett Hosp          Cooperstwn Gary Canning  607-547-3981
 Westchester Comm Clg  Valhalla  Steve Nardozzi 914-285-6867

 Good luck!

 .                           Mike Gilbertson
 .                           (meg04@albnydh2.bitnet)
From: yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Consent of a Minor
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In article <1992Oct8.193513.27494@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> dave@startide.ctr.columbia.edu (David M. Weinreich) writes:
> What is the current law regarding treating minors without
> parental consent in New York City?
> 

	Well if there is no parent present you use the law of IMPLIED
CONCENT. Which is you are assuming that if a parent would be present they
would want their child to be treated. (That is the case where you are
unable to reach a parent) A safest way is to place the child under the
custody of the Police Officer and have him make the notifications. In both
ways you will not be faulted for doing this.

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From:         Kelli Auletta <AULETTAK@GUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Intro

         Asst. to the Exec. Director for Alumni Networking
           and Student Affairs  (7-7157)

I figured I'd introduce myself to the list 'cause I didn't know for sure what
the protocol was for new subscribers.

Anyhow, my name is Kelli Auletta and I live and work in Washington, DC. I've
been a DC EMT-A for 4 years now, having first taken the EMT course at
Georgetown University as an undergrad. I became involved with the campus squad
there, don't laugh, called GERMS - Georgetown Emergency Response Medical
Service. After graduation, I got involved again with GERMS because they needed
some experienced EMTs and drivers.

Our squad is totally student run, student volunteer (you have to be taking
some type of class at GU to ride). We currently have about 70 EMTs riding,
with about 25-35 riding at least once a week. Our crews are three person, a
driver and two "walking" - they carry fully stocked packs wherever they go on
campus and are required to stay on-campus for the full time of their shift. We
ride 24 hours a day with our only down time during X-mas break (dorms are
closed) and for one week between graduation and summer school.

As an aside, for the person who asked about DC EMT courses, we offer one every
semester. There will be one starting in January, call our office, 2026877157.

Well, enough about me and my squad. I would love to hear from other campus
squads out there.

Kelli Auletta
DC EMT-A, NREMT
GERMS
aulettak@guvm.bitnet
From: v106qhlw@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (NEW YORKER IN EXILE)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: NYPD bombsquad
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:42:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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Can anyone describe, in detail, the vehicles used by the NYPD 'bombsquad'?
thanks in advnace...

mark foggin
new yorker in exile stuck 
at the university of buffalo.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:56:18 EST
From:         A249000 Mike Wilson <A249@NMUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: JAFO?

Hey was that a good movie or what?
Mike "Rotorhead" Wilson, Firefighter.
From: johnl@forthd.uucp (John Lebert)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Certification vs. Licensure
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:05:56 GMT
Reply-To: johnl@espace
Distribution: na
Organization: Fourth Dimension, Portland OR

In article <EMERG-L%92093018390360@VM.MARIST.EDU>, JX655C@GWUVM.BITNET (PJ Geraghty) writes:
> I have just gotten home from a class callem "EMS and the health care system."
> The intent of this class (as I see it) was to see how EMS relates to the
> rest of the health care system, what the rest of the HCS think of EMS, and
> ideas about the future relationships between the two.
> 
> Sadly, several people (out of the ten or so in the class) have turned it into
> almost a single-issue gathering each time: the "utter unfairness" of paramedics
> being (in most states) certified rather than licensed.  It boils down to a
> question of respect, according to the other people in my class.  They think
> that the other people in the HCS look down on paramedics because we are the
> only group to be certified by people at higher levels of care (e.g., MD's are
> licensed by MD's, RN's and other nurses by RN's, but EMT-P's are *certified*
> by MD's).
> 
> Obviously, I have a different opinion.  I honestly don't care whether I'm
> certified, licensed, blessed, or whatever.  I was trained as a paramedic and
> I do what I'm trained to do, ignoring (for the most part) the interference
> and/or superiority (what little I see) from other members of the HCS.  I'm
> getting a little tired of the whole argument, but it is a thread which pervades
> the entire degree program here, I fear.
> 
> My question to the vast community of EMT-P's reading this on your computer
> screens:  what are your thoughts?  Do you want to be licensed?  Why?  Are you
> content with being certified?  Why?
> 
> I'll try to keep a running tally on the votes either way and post a summary
> at some point, along with any interesting points I come across.
> 
> _________________________________________________________________________
> |PJ Geraghty, FF2/NR/MDEMT-P          | (insert opinion disclaimer here)|
> |5020 Battery Lane                    |**********CUBS in '92!!**********|
> |Bethesda, MD 20814        (SnailMail)|         (OK, maybe '93)         |
> |301-652-0077/301-409-0648 (Telephone)|                                 |
> |JX655C@GWUVM.GWU.EDU       (InterNet)| Support your local EMS; the life|
> |CG071@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (FreeNet)|  we save could someday be yours!|
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 In Oregon - sometime in 1993 - you will have to have an equivelent of
 an Associates Degree to become certified.  It is a move to get higher
 pay & benifits for paramedics.  I think that makes more sense in getting
 respect from others in the system than a simple license.

-- 
 John Lebert                              Internet: johnl@espace  
 Fourth Dimension                     Modem (9600): (503)236-5068 
 Portland, OR                                Voice: (503)234-4364 
              *May I be excused?  My brain is full.*

                Press CTRL-ALT-DEL to continue....
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From: dave@startide.ctr.columbia.edu (David M. Weinreich)
Subject: Consent of a Minor
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:35:13 GMT
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What is the current law regarding treating minors without
parental consent in New York City?

-- 
dave@ctr.columbia.edu		dmw4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
NY/NJ EMT    New Vernon Vol. Fire Dept./First Aid Squad
             Columbia Area Volunteer Ambulance
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Pulse Oximeters
Date: 9 Oct 1992 03:29:04 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

(I'm back...my server just started getting this group!)

In article <yury.02p8@bknight.jpr.com> yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German) writes:
>In article <1992Oct3.224551.29457@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Matthew.H.T.Fulton@dartmouth.edu (Matthew H. T. Fulton) writes:
>> Any EMS people out there using pulse oximeters yet?

We are, in League City, Texas.

>Although having them
>would be nice, I do not see the need for them. The standard protocols here
>is everyone gets 100% Non Rebreather if complaint is non related to COPD.

Isn't this a bit overkill? In particular, 1) NRBs burn more O2 than other
devices when used properly, and 2) some patients, especially where they might
need to vomit, won't tolerate them well.

Then there's the old COPD consideration; that, however, is another
controversy...
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    Vote for a REAL change on 3 November: Throw out the check-bouncing,
  tax-and-spend Democrat Congress! (obviously, not an opinion of UTHSCH)
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:52:00 EDT
From:         MHODOSH1@ITHACA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Duty to Act

If you are the only one responding, and you pass the scene then
STAY THERE AND PROVIDE CPR!!  Have someone else go and get the rig.
If someone has started CPR, then get the rig as soon as possible.

It's more important to start CPR ASAP then to wait.

Marc Hodosh
NJ & NY EMT
CPR/BLS Instructor
NJ ER Tech.

e mail- Mhodosh1@ithaca
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 09:30:17 EDT
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Subject:      Duty to Act, take two

Here's the answer from the state EMS office perspective:
The service/corps should have a written policy on this.  It should make
sense given the circumstances under which the service operates.  If
written policies are in place and followed, we would not go after an
individual's certification.  A plantiff could sue alledging abandonment,
and one can never be sure what a court/jury would do, but it seems unlikely
they would win, again assuming the policy is reasonable.

Why not just dictate a policy from the top?  There are too many different
circumstances to be able to do that.  For example, if one or more responders
has a 2way radio and can advise that he/she is treating the patient while
awaiting the rig, there is no danger of doing CPR forever while waiting for
the rig to show.  On duty crews vs. "ya'll come on down" arrangements also
make a difference.  (w/o on duty crews there is no way to be sure that anyone
will ever show up at the bay to get the ambulance.)  The proximity of the
patient to the bay is also a factor, as is the precise patient problem.

One effective approach to this, if you always have a three to four person
crew, is to give one or two people a small kit with 5X9s, kling, and a BVM
and assign them to go directly to the call location, while the other one or
two people always get the rig to the scene.

Hope this helps.  The key is having a policy and following it.
                           Mike Gilbertson
                           (meg04@albnydh2.bitnet)
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 Oct 92 20:15:03 EDT
<"(Kenneth R Aron)" <kra@CUNIXA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
<regarding  Duty to Act, take two, writes

<Alright, since Dave's post has seemed to generate more questions
<about what the hell he was talking about than answers, I'll try
<again...

<  We run crews of approximately three or four that scramble
<to a centrally located ambulance.  Since our quarters is
<basically a converted dorm room, we're not there often.  Since
<the new OHSA regulations came about, one of our crew chiefs asked
<Dave, our First Aid Chief, the following question:

<  If I come across the pt. on my direct path to the
<ambulance and have no equipment whatsoever what am I
<legally required to do?

<The question is fairly easy for a minor call.  Wait for
<everyone else to bring the ambulance.  The problem arises when
<the hypothetical call is major bleeder or a code.  Now, I
<personally solve this problem by carrying a hip holster with
<basic supplies when I'm on duty.  Can anyone give us the
[<<legal>> answer to the question.  Thanks.
From: abcs3500@Oswego.EDU (Bill Wood)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: RE: Emt Bystander
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:08:25 GMT
Reply-To: abcs3500@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Bill Wood)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <7530@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <yury.02pe@bknight.jpr.com> yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German) writes:
>>	How about asking for IDENTIFICATION!
>
>Our service issues laminated photo IDs with name and certification, and this
>is one reason why...
>

ID cards are a good idea.  A good idea is to check with your county offices
to see if they issue them.  They do it here in Oswego Cty, NY.  There is your
picture, name, EMT #, and corps all in a laminated tag.  Each EMT level has a
different color.  We've gotten them, and although we tease each other about them
in case one happens on-scene in another district or an MCI, no one gets 
accused of not belonging.

Bill
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From: houstob@reis61.alleg.edu (Brad Houston)
Subject: in school volunteer response
Organization: Allegheny College
Distribution: misc.emerg-services
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:15:10 GMT

	I am a recent volunteer firefighter at Allegheny College in  
Meadville,Pa. I have been a FF/EMT in Northborough, MA FD. I am inquiring  
of any experienced college students who are volunteers or call  
firefighters: How have you have dealt with responding from classes and  
pagers in class?
	Last year, I was in high school and responded without a problem or  
much hassel of any teachers. But now, being a freshman at a small college  
and only one week on the department, I could use a little advice from  
those who have dealt with a similiar situation.
	Unfortunately, the pagers issued and the system out here does not  
have group page capability, so all transmissions must be heard over the  
frequency in order to hear the dispatch.
	Feel free to respond with any war stories of unhappy  
professors...or compromising situations...
From: PLAWS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU (Peter Laws EXnremtp)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Duty to Act
Date: 9 Oct 1992 14:11:05 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Let me see if I have this right:
   1) You have a Volunteer EMS
   2) You regularly respond from a location other than your station
   3) Your crews are not required to have *any* Basic Protective Equipment
with them
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:38:00 EDT
From:         MHODOSH1@ITHACA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Intro

CORRECTION.........
I JUST LEFT AN INCORRECT E MAIL ADDRESS......
IT SHOULD BE.....
MHODOSH1@ITHACA
THIS IS FOR THOSE TRYING TO REACH MARC HODOSH.  THANKS.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:29:00 CDT
From:         "Wm. Bryant Faust, IV" <WFAUST@NNOMED.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Scanners Also

> Discussions regarding scanners, antennaes, radios, cellular phones,
> etc.  should be held on alt.radio.scanner
>
> -rob

How does one get alt.radio.scanner via internet or bitnet ?

Bryant
wfaust@nomvs.lsumc.edu
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:05:09 EDT
From:         "(Cohen Josh EMT The Sphinx)" <jrc5@LEHIGH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Abbreviations

yes! I want more..
What about the standard medical abbreviations...
Ex:  c (with a line over it ) - with
c/o complaining of
 dosage abbrev?
 Q
 Josh Cohen, NJPA EMT
AHA CPR Instructor
From: dlyons@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Paramedic information REQUEST  *****************
Date: 14 Oct 92 09:15:55 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

HI

I am lookinf for information on EMT-I and EMT-P programmes offered anywhere in 
New England...  (as far south as Penn. or NJ.)  

I am presently an EMT-B with 1 year experience in May 1992.  If anyone knows 
of EMT-I courses offered in May or June please let me know!  Also is there 
any such thing as EMT-P courses which are offered in the summer?  (May-Aug?)  
I may take a year off from university to get my EMT-P so please help me to 
find the best place......  Any requirements I should know about??

Thanks in advance!

Dave Lyons
EMT-B

Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services,rec.radio.swap
From: mladair@mtu.edu (MATTHEW L. ADAIR)
Subject: Icom IC-H16 4-Sale
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:06:26 GMT

For sale:
 
Icom IC-H16 land mobile handheld radio
           - 16 Channels programmable (Instructions Included)
           - LCD Readout
           - Transmit and receive CTCSS tones
           - Programmable repeater offset
           - Scanning
           - Battery pack for 3 Watts, capable of 5 Watts
           - Charger and speaker microphone
 
The list price for this radio is over $700.00. 
I am asking $450.00 or best offer.  My terms are UPS
COD, you pay shipping.  
 
Matthew L. Adair                      mladair@mtu.edu
159 DHH MTU                           mladair@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu
1700 Townsend
Houghton, MI  49931-1194
(906) 487-0259 
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:02:00 CDT
From:         "Wm. Bryant Faust, IV" <WFAUST@NNOMED.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Scanners Also

> > BTW the radio spectrum as a whole is very large. There is only one small sli
> > of the spectrum which Congress has made it illegal to listen to.
> > Wanna know why?
> > Because the cellular phone company has a very large PAC.
> > And the law has not been challenged in court yet.
> >
> > The freedom of speech clause implies a freedom to listen.
> > Amatuer radio operater (N3JVP) and Firefighter/EMT Aaron Peterson
>
> Realizing that this discussion group is not the best forum
> for discussions on cell phones etc., I must disagree.

Is there a discussion group on cellular phones??

Bryant
wfaust@nomvs.lsumc.edu