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From: johnw@bluemoon.rn.com (John L. Wilkerson Jr.)
Subject: RE: HANDHELD CBS
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 10:11:44 EDT

john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison)  writes:

> -> This is not true for all RS walkie-talkies. I had one, I believe the
> -> TRC-217, which had an RCA phono-style plug at the bottom for an
> -> external antenna. With an adapter, a PL-239 plugged in just fine and
> -> it worked great.
> Fine but are you going to carry a mobile antenna around with you? I
> really think that the Maxon's removable antenna is more convenient than
> having the load coil bulging out. I have a BNC-PL-239 adapter and I can
> keep the antenna's that came with the radio stored away while using a
> mobile.
>                                                                              

 
Now, Rs has finally got the Handheld we have been waiting for out,.
 
21-1665   TRC-226.   It has a BNC connector on it.   It comes with a 
telescoping antenna.  I would figger a rubber duck from another mfgr would 
work.  I didn't see any optional rd though.
    
    It is thinner than their others, and can accomodate an external mic.
 
I hope this external mic is their speaker mic, used with the 2 meter HT.  
AND I hope it has a BELT CLIP instead of their infernal carrying strap.
 
  It resembles the new Cobra Handheld... that one has the belt clip as 
well as the spkr mic connections.....  All top-mounted controls, with an 
LCD display... very sharp.
 
  Cost is steep, but for its thinner size and features, waiting for it to 
go on sale would get one a real bargain.
 
     Haven't seen one yet.... just in the new catalog.... price is $139.95
 

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: johnw@bluemoon.rn.com (John L. Wilkerson Jr.)
Subject: New Radio Shack Handheld
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 06:32:11 EDT

The TRC-226.    I got one.... I'll share the specs here.
 
Receiver:
 
   Sensitivity: .05 uv for 10 dB (S+N)/N
   Adjacent Channel Rejection: 70 dB
   Aud. distortion @ 1 kHx:        less than 10% @ .6 watts output
   Current Drain          :        80 to 300 Ma 
 
 
Transmitter:
 
           Power Output:   Hi:  3.5 watts     Low:  1 watt
Modulation:                     90-100%
Spurious output:                -60 dB or better
Freq tolerance:                 .002%
Current drain:             Hi: 1100 ma
                           Lo:  800 ma
 
Other specs are in book, but I declined to mention them
 
Dimensions:   6.5 x 2.25 , 2 5/8 x 1 3/8   (with 8 battery case)
 
 
It comes with 2 slide on battery cases.  1 for 10 nicads and one for 8 
alkies
 
It will suport a speaker microphone, such as one commonly used for 2 meter 
ahndhelds... the RS one will work
 
Antenna:   It has a collapsable whip.... it attached via what they call a 
TNC connector.... NOT a BNC (as I mentioned in a past post)   This 
connector on the inside looks like a BNC, but has regular screw-on threads 
instead of how a BNC attaches.
 
Price: $139.95
 

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|                           | johnw@bluemoon.rn.com  |  cruel world that |
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| (CoCo) (614) 755-2492     |------------------------|       me"         |
|   SkyNet Node: 1/2                                                     |
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: an511@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vince Yankey)
Subject: Re: Look What Showed Up in *MY* Mailbox!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 06:51:37 GMT


[Stuff Deleted]
>        I guess you're right...50MHz May be a better Attenuation reference
>for stupid cb idiots like you....
 
A note here.  Phantom, some of us CB idiots are also radio amateurs
 
[More Stuff Deleted]
 
I feel that you have failed to promote good will here Phantom.
 
I also have a license to operate a Amateur Radio and I must agree with Cobra
about the 50Mhz rating over the 1Mhz rating.
 
Incidentally a chart in the ARRL Handbook shows:
RG-58C @ 1Mhz has a little over .35db loss/100 ft.
       @ 27Mhz about 2.5db loss/100 ft.
       @ 50Mhz about 3.5db loss/100 ft.
 
All the Amateurs I know are not elitists and wouldn't have responded like
Phantom.  They all are ready to help anyone with a radio problem, and if
they were proven wrong they would admit it in a nice manner.  
 
---
Vince Yankey
N7YVL <- After the letter from Phantom to Cobra I am almost embarrassed by this!
vyankey@gnu.ai.mit.edu
an511@freenet.cwru.edu
vince yankey@1:303/5
From: myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:01:25 GMT
Subject: Re: SOME MORE CB QUESTIONS
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb

> Read this whole reply here before flaming, please.

I did.

> 
> You can lower SWR by changing cable length.  I've seen it happen.
> (although I don't recommend it)

No, you can't.  But let's read on:

> 
>here's why:
>ya see, if you have some RG-58A/U, lets say 1000 ft, hooked to your radio, (4
>watts) and just plain leave the other PL sitting there looking stupid, you CAN
>key into it and get a not-so-bad SWR.  The cable is eating all the power, and
>at high lengths, can eat up almost ALL your power.  If you were crazy enough to
>run 1000 ft of that cheap stuff, I would not be suprised to find more than a
>hundred milliwatts out the other end, and if all 100% is reflecting, there
>is still no chance in h@ll that it is going to make it back to the transmitter
>(back thru another 1000 ft of watt eaters) with any noticable power.

Sorry, but this does NOT represent a reduction in SWR.  It's also a pretty
extreme case, one which has little bearing on actual practice (i.e., if
you're running with sufficient cable length to make a difference in this 
manner, you've got other problems besides SWR - you need shorter and/or less
lossy cable!).

The problem here is a misunderstanding of what is meant by "SWR".  It
stands for "Standing Wave Ratio", and is the ratio of the maximum to minimum
amplitudes found in the "voltage standing wave" (assuming we're talking about
*V*SWR, as is normally assumed) resulting from a mismatch.  While cable
losses may reduce the amount of power that winds up back at the transmitter,
this really doesn't affect the SWR as it is properly defined. (Well, it might
drop it *slightly* - but remember that there is a max and a min in the
standing wave in the first quarter-wavelength back from the antenna.  If
your cable causes significant attenuation in a quarter-wave, you need new
cable!)  In the above example, you *would* see a decrease in the "SWR"
indicated by a reflectometer (which is what most folks mean when they say
they're using an "SWR meter"), but that doesn't necessarily give the complete
picture of what's happening on the line.


Bob Myers  KC0EW   Hewlett-Packard Co.      |Opinions expressed here are not
                   User Interface Tech. Div.|those of my employer or any other
myers@fc.hp.com    Fort Collins, Colorado   |sentient life-form on this planet.

Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz)
Subject: Re: Linear
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 21:04:23 GMT

In article <Bu2BLn.1xn@acsu.buffalo.edu> bphdarcy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SJ Roc D'Arcy, MBP) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.230328.10268@mercury.cair.du.edu>, elesatz@cassandra.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz) writes...
>
>> 
>>Better yet, get to know a trucker...
>
>Nah, they have work to do for a living.  Talk to one of the people 
>near me who has never worked a day in their life and run their linears
>all day and all night.  I know lots of truck drivers, most don't
>really care all that much about them.

At a base station? How do they keep from getting caught?

>Now they have added one better.  Noise generators.  Wonderfull how a
>perfect sin wave can bleed over six channels each way. 

I know what you mean. We used to have some dick that had a tape of a
paint shaker and would play it on USB with the power mic turned way
up. Of course he got his when some people with snoop loops tracked him
down and knocked on his door!

>Where is the FCC when you need them?

Probably having donuts with the cops. What pisses me off is that they
will bust someone for using profanity, discussing business or shooting
skip, but never seem to bother the people who are intentionally
interfering with everyone else's good time. But that is typical of
government organizations. Go after the guy who uses his call letters,
but don't actually get out there and track down the real nuisance.

Eric
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From: johnw@bluemoon.rn.com (John L. Wilkerson Jr.)
Subject: Re: SOME MORE CB QUESTIONS
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 06:17:43 EDT

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

> Just a nit - but, why are you listing me when nothing you quoted was written
> by me? The statement was made by jbs.
> 
> Bill

 
Sorry..... Sometimes you gotta dig for the proper line to quote.  after 
awhile messges get all mixed up....
 

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|Sysop: EastSide Connection | jwilkerson@delphi.com  | wishes to destroy |
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|   SkyNet Node: 1/2                                                     |
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From: jbs@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Attenuation at 27MHz
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:04:10 GMT
Organization: Joe's Bar and Grill

In article <1992Aug27.065137.29406@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> an511@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vince Yankey) writes:
<
<I also have a license to operate a Amateur Radio and I must agree with Cobra
<about the 50Mhz rating over the 1Mhz rating.
< 
<Incidentally a chart in the ARRL Handbook shows:
<RG-58C @ 1Mhz has a little over .35db loss/100 ft.
<       @ 27Mhz about 2.5db loss/100 ft.
<       @ 50Mhz about 3.5db loss/100 ft.

I don't have the Handbook. Does it list attenuation at 27MHz for other
types of cable? If so, can you post the 27MHz part of the table?

  -joe
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: pschleck@cwis.unomaha.edu (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
Subject: Re: Linear
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:07:28 GMT

mt615s1075@instem.UUCP (Mark Trinkwalder) writes:

>     I'm looking for someone in the
>Michigan area, preferably Macomb
>County who has a Linear that they
>would like to sell for a reasonable
>price, I'm looking for something
>between 100-200 watts.

Here we go again!

Paul
From: rossi@gvlf9-q.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Rossi)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: Re: Some More CB Questions
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:03:52 GMT
Organization: Paramax Systems Corp (A Unisys Company), Great Valley Labs, PA

In article <1992Aug26.101850.6253@iscsvax.uni.edu> fisher2557@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>A friend of mine has a high quality wattmeter, and used it to measure the
>loss in 100 ft of that cheap junk.  He lost almost 3/4 of a watt in just fifty
>feet.  When you're only putting out four watts, 3/4 of a watt can sure make a
>difference!

Loosing 3/4 of a watt out of 4 is less than 1 dB loss..  You'll never miss it.

    10 * log (  (4 - 3/4) / 4 )  = -.901 dB

That sounds about right for 50 feet of RG-58 at 27 MHz.

=================================================================
Pete Rossi - WA3NNA                  rossi@gvl.unisys.com

Paramax Systems Corporation - a Unisys Company
Electronic Systems - Valley Forge Labs - Paoli, Pennsylvania
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From: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: RE: HANDHELD CBS
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:09:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Reply-To: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 

-> Does anyone manufacture a handheld with SSB capabilities?
->
-> Walt

I've been wondering the same thing but I'll let you know if I find out.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: Look What Showed Up in *MY* Mailbox!
From: nomad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Michael Larish)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:34:23 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

	Ok people...  Now that we've not only been rude to several people
but violated several Usenet rules, how about we return to our regularly
scheduled program?

	I apologize to anybody who was offended by such drivel as we've seen
come across.  However, a quick note here, the mail not only should not have
been sent in the first place, it shouldn't have been posted here.  This isn't
the place for that stuff.  If you have to send that stuff back and forth,
keep it in private E-mail.

	And as for the differences between amateurs and CBers, there's
really not that much of one.  Most are real nice people who are interested
in radio for one reason or another.  So, with that in mind, let's return to
talking about what this newsgroup was created for...  CB radio.

-- 
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aka Nomad the Wanderer  | Golden Empire Amateur Radio Society (GEARS) - W6RHC
nomad@ecst.csuchico.edu | Chico State Amateur Radio Society (CSARS)
CSU Chico, CA           | rram FAQ Maintainer email: hamradio-faq@uts.amdahl.com
From: Edwardl@freddyk.uucp (Ed Langenback)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: Linear
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:58:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: freddyk.21
Distribution: na
Organization: Nightmares R Us

>mt615s1075@instem.UUCP (Mark Trinkwalder) writes:
>
>>     I'm looking for someone in the
>>Michigan area, preferably Macomb
>>County who has a Linear that they
>>would like to sell for a reasonable
>>price, I'm looking for something
>>between 100-200 watts.
>

  y'know, it's probably not the greatest idea to look for a linear
in rec.radio.cb  better by far to simply ask around on the radio locally.
better still to simply not bother with one.

as it is, i hope you've an asbestos suit handy. ;)

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From: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: RE: HANDHELD CBS
Date: 23 Aug 92 13:51:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Reply-To: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 

-> output seems to be somewhat limited. It only takes 8 AA which is fine
-> if you are using alkaline batteries, but performance is cut with
-> nicads.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I don't use batteries very often so I
wouldn't benefit from using NI-CAD's anyway.
                                                                                                                        
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: johnw@bluemoon.rn.com (John L. Wilkerson Jr.)
Subject: Re: SOME MORE CB QUESTIONS
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 10:18:17 EDT

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

> jbs@rti.rti.org writes:
> : 
> : On a somewhat related note, I have heard that many CBs are designed with a
> : circuit that decreases output power as SWR increases, with the aim of
> : protecting the output stage from damage. Anyone know if this is true?
> 
 
    Look in the owner's manual..... My Uniden Grant's book sez over 2.0 
could cook it.
 
     A lot of Cobra CBs say in the book that the output transistors are 
protected up to a 25:1 mismatch.     Best bet is to look in the manual 
first to see what the deal is.
 

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| John L. Wilkerson Jr.     | johnw@bluemoon.uucp    | "A realist in a   |
|                           | johnw@bluemoon.rn.com  |  cruel world that |
|Sysop: EastSide Connection | jwilkerson@delphi.com  | wishes to destroy |
| (CoCo) (614) 755-2492     |------------------------|       me"         |
|   SkyNet Node: 1/2                                                     |
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From: elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Roll Call
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:24:37 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

Did any of you used to participate in the channel 18 roll call? If so,
what ever happened to it? I've been out of Denver for about 5 years
now, but I remember it was going four years ago. Listened for it the
other night and nothing...

Eric <aka: Silver Miner, aka: Computer Kid, aka: 36>
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Some More CB Questions
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:47:36 GMT

elesatz@nyx.cs.du.edu (Eric LeSatz) writes:

: >Nope. It is less than a dB of loss. It would be totally unnoticable. Even a
: >loss of half the power is barely noticable by very careful listening. That is
: >a loss of 3 dB. You need a loss on the order of 10 dB to have a easily
: >noticeable loss in signal level - that would mean that you only had about
: >1/2 watt left out of 4. 
: 
: I have to disagree. Maybe you are talking about different dB than I
: am, but when the channels are extremely quiet I have talked to many
: people which only register 1-2 dB on my meter. 1 dB is almost
: impossible to make out, 2 you can usally do pretty well as long as
: nobody walks on you. A loss of 3 dB would be extremely poor
: performance. I find static in signals and 6, but 9 is crystal clear..

If the meter means anything. Most of them are little more than a rough
signal level indication. Most have little relation to actual dB levels.

In other words, a signal drop of 3 dB on your meter probably has little
to do with the actual loss in signal strength.

Bill
From: cobra@jab.tucson.az.us (Cobra)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Look What Showed Up in *MY* Mailbox!
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 20:44:03 PDT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ


 
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From: noao!phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Bloxom)
X-Mailer: Mail (1.7 20feb92)
To: cobra@jab.tucson.az.us
Subject: Bite me, Asshole...
 
        I guess you're right...50MHz May be a better Attenuation reference
for stupid cb idiots like you....
        (I Personally don't think you have the brains to guestimate a loss
[7m more [m 
      
curve for 27.000MHz from the attenuation at 50MHz, therefore I don't think
it should make any difference to you WHICH attenuation was posted.
        You people are such assholes....somebody just offers a little
information to the group as a whole and people like you get Pissed off for
some stupid reason....Fuck you.
        Next time somebody requests some info, and I know the answer.... To
Hell with it.  I'll just let their stupid radio blow up in their face....I
don't need crap like this from you or anyone.
        
        You are an idiot---Therefore...
        
                                KISS MY ASS!!!
 
        (...Phantom...KB5OWZ (Tech+...which is better than what YOU'VE
got!......))
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UUCP:      crash!pro-haven!phantom
 
 
Gee, Tiff...hey, I *like* how that sounds!  :)
 
It was mentioned a few weeks ago how this seemed to be the "convert the 
CB'ers to the Amateur masses" area...by Gawd, I think they were right!
 
I don't think I got "pissed off" with my previous response...in fact, I know 
I didn't get pissed off; I just tried to clarify the fact that 50MHz loss on 
a cable is damn closer to being relevant to 27MHz operation than 1MHz loss 
figures.
 
TechPlus, huh?  What, a bit of code, and you think you're the Queen of the 
air?
 
No, I don't care about which was posted...I know which ones were right, and 
if you'd like to start doing some of the calculations, I'll jump in when you 
start getting stumped, okay?
 

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From: kelly@deca.cs.umn.edu (Shaun P. Kelly)
Subject: GMRS info
Summary: anyone done it?
Keywords: GMRS
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:45:44 GMT



So, has anyone gotten a GMRS license out on the net?  Any tips on gear,
paperwork, etc?

Please send e-mail, I'll post a summary to the net if I get any interesting
info.

Thanks...