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From: tigger@cheshire.oxy.edu (Samuel Thomas III)
Subject: Re: Suns 121, Pistons 119
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:53:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.231929.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67709907@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>Phoenix barely escaped overtime in tonight's game versus Detroit.  I
>didn't see the game, but according to the NBA.C program it was nationally
>televised by TNT.
>
>Opinions?
>--
And it was. [:-)
>Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin     "Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate

I came in on the third quarter, and it was looking rather badfor my Pistons.  I stayed because even in times of great apparent pain (see: any season other than '88-'90,) and was rewarded with a great comeback.  Joe Dumars hit key shots 
Joey D., only minutes before, had hit two (clutch) three pointers (one in which
he had to lean around his defender.)  The Pistons took the ball at halfcourt
(after rebounding K.J.'s missed free throw,) and inbounded to _Terry Mills_,
who missed a painful three pointer (it hit the backboard, rolled into the basket, and then rolled its way back out) to end the game.
It was a great game to watch.  Especially Hang Time (a.k.a. Bill Laimbeer) 
clamping down on Sir Charles.
			   [:-^)

And not to speak only of Detroit, Phoenix hit nine (?) three pointers.
They were amazing. Thunder Dan, K.J., Dumas, Danny Ainge, Sir Charles...
				Amazing.  And Charles _still_ wants to go 
up another level...
		
Anyone else?
		Eric?

-iii'
t.t.f.n.

And to the original poster, I am sorry about destroying your .sig.

							[:-(
P.S. I think that Bill Laimbeer is great.
			('cause he is)
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From: qsnow@lonestar.utsa.edu (Quentin . Snow)
Subject: Re: willie's back?
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:50:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.212744.15776@micom.com> jscott@micom.com (James Scott) writes:
>just read where the spurs activated willie.  can any spur fans out
>there tell me if he's supposed to see any time against CHI sunday?
>
>also, what's the status on sean.

San Antonio had to fill out the 12th man on the roster before the NBA deadline,
and after consulting with the team (the coaches and players) it was decided
that they did not want to bring in someone else and mess with the Team's
chemistry since it is all going so well.  Thus, they activated Willie,
but he will NOT see any playing time soon.  He is still weeks away (possibly).

As for Sean, his back is continually, but slowly, getting better.  He
is expected to play Friday against Detroit.

How bout them Spurs and Lucas anyway?  And alot of yall though the firing
of Tark was bad :)

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From: bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Brad "Boomer" Williams)
Subject: Re: I. Thomas andJoe D.  should be  All-Stars
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 02:22:08 EST

In article <C17q6t.FGo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs225b26@dcl-nxt50.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student) writes:
>In article <1j7l5rINN48e@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>  
>lucasas@o233-18.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Alan S Lucas) writes:
>> 	I am upset to see that Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars aren't doing so  
>> well in the All-Star voting. Why does Jeff Hornacek have so many votes? 
>
>	Are you Crazy? Isaiah had one good assist year, and although he is  
>a clutch player, that's the only time he does play.  Night in and night  
>out he's inconsistent.  Hornacek is one of the best shooters in the  
>league, and unlike Dumars he shoots 50% + from the field consistently.   
>what good are the 3's if you can't hit the chippies?
>
>
>-Doug Adonis

	While I don't think that Isiah should be on this year's all-star team,
the way that you devalued his career is at least a little irresponsible.  The
"one good assist year" (I'm assuming that you're talking about 1985) was the
first year that any player had over 1000 assists in a year.  He's had other
"good assist years" as well - going into this season, he had a 9.5 apg career
average.  Add to that just under 20 points per game, and an all-star appearance
every year he's been in the league, you've got a pretty damned good career.
	I still don't think that he should be on this year's all-star team,
but I do respect the career that he has had up to this point.

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: If draft were today .... ?
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:57:08 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1993Jan25.233230.25863@vela.acs.oakland.edu> janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Zombie Dude) writes:
>
>hi !,
>	I was wondering if draft day were today who the top 5 picks would be ?
>	Will be glad to hear from U folks out there.
>

Depends on which of the underclassmen come out....

I like ...

Chris Webber,
Anfernee Hardaway,
Calbert Chaney,
Grant Hill,
Glenn Robinson

But who knows which of those will be coming out??? 
(I really doubt Glenn Robinson will)
-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
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From: swenson.rtsg.mot.com (R. Scott Swenson)
Subject: Waymon Tisdale
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:43:39 GMT

Can anyone tell me how Tisdale is.  I know his leg is injured but will he be 
back soon.  Any info will be apprecieated.  Thanks
From: cs225b26@dcl-nxt50.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student)
Subject: Re: I. Thomas andJoe D.  should be  All-Stars
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:37:40 GMT

In article <1j7l5rINN48e@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>  
lucasas@o233-18.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Alan S Lucas) writes:
> 	I am upset to see that Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars aren't doing so  
> well in the All-Star voting. Why does Jeff Hornacek have so many votes? 

	Are you Crazy? Isaiah had one good assist year, and although he is  
a clutch player, that's the only time he does play.  Night in and night  
out he's inconsistent.  Hornacek is one of the best shooters in the  
league, and unlike Dumars he shoots 50% + from the field consistently.   
what good are the 3's if you can't hit the chippies?


-Doug Adonis
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From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Subject: All-Star voting update, slam-d 3-pt contestants
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:31:05 GMT


Here are the latest voting totals for the NBA All-Star teams:

East			

Forwards			Prev.
Scottie Pippen		375114	1
Larry Johnson		225017	2
Dominique Wilkins	118440	3
Horace Grant		 94785	4
Blue Edwards		 80698	6
Derrick Coleman		 66158	5
Larry Nance		 54001	7
Kevin McHale		 52605	8
Detlef Schrempf		 44058	unr.
Kevin Willis		 42187	10

Guards			
Michael Jordan		378203	1
Jeff Hornacek		136768	2
Mark Price		 80443	4
Isiah Thomas		 77075	3
Reggie Lewis		 66705	7
Muggsy Bogues		 58116	6
Drazen Petrovic		 57806	9
Kenny Anderson		 54479	5
Joe Dumars		 54314	8
Nick Anderson		 49549	unr.

Centers			
Shaquille O'Neal	267056	1
Patrick Ewing		167319	2
Brad Daugherty		 64644	3
Bill Cartwright		 51664	4
Sam Bowie		 41474	5
Moses Malone		 33854	6
Robert Parish		 29973	7
Alonzo Mourning		 28327	9
Rony Seikaly		 20305	10
Pervis Ellison		 16532	8

West			

Forwards			Prev.
Charles Barkley		311859	1
Karl Malone		175793	3
Chris Mullin		170027	2
Shawn Kemp		109643	4
Buck Williams		 90446	5
Billy Owens		 87529	6
Jerome Kersey		 73507	7
Lionel Simmons		 60901	8
Tyrone Corbin		 54652	10
Antoine Carr		 52872	unr.

Guards			
Clyde Drexler		305863	1
Tim Hardaway		191205	2
John Stockton		185486	3
Terry Porter		115285	4
Mitch Richmond		109299	5
S. Marciulionis		 83576	6
Jeff Malone		 73256	8
Dan Marjerle		 65399	9
Kevin Johnson		 50253	7
Ricky Pierce		 40240	unr.

Centers			
David Robinson		277186	1
Hakeem Olajuwon		 99755	2
Dikembe Mutombo		 77873	3
Kevin Duckworth		 77453	4
Mark Eaton		 45507	5
Duane Causwell		 39204	6
Mark West		 27211	7
Stanley Roberts		 26657	8
Vlade Divac		 21766	9
Benoit Benjamin		 16825	10

Some interesting developments.  The race for guard and forward
starting slots in the West is getting interesting.  The rest of the
starters seem (barring anything unusual) to be settled.  There is
still some activity on the lower half of all the lists except West
center.  Nick Anderson, Anoine Carr, and (I think) Detlef Schrempf
have made their first appearances this year.  Ricky Pierce
reappeared after dropping off the list for the last summary.

In other news, the competitors for the slam-dunk contest and the
three-point shootout were announced:

Slam Dunk

Cedric Ceballos (defending champion)
Shawn Kemp
Sean Elliot
Chris Jackson

(hmm, all from the Western conference)

Three-point Shootout

Craig Hodges (defending champion)
Drazen Petrovic
Mark Price
Dennis Scott
Chris Mullin
Dana Barros
Kenny Smith
B. J. Armstrong
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From: grubin@rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: Re: Chris Jackson
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Keywords: CJ  MIGHTY NUGGET
Organization: Sasquatch, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:27:31 GMT



stan@cad628.intel.com (Stephen Tan ) writes:
>Are you guys sure that Chris Jackson is in the SLAM DUNK contest?
>I find this hard to believe, not to mention quite hilarious.

Yep, it's definitely Chris Jackson from the MIGHTY NUGGETS.  As someone
else mentioned, ESPN had a bit of fun at his expense the other night.

>I thought CJ might be invited to the 3pt shoot out but
>never to the Dunk contest. He's not know to be a good leaper,
>and he's only 6'1".

It would seem to make more sense for CJ to be in the 3pt contest.
However, CJ can get up, and if you've never seen him dunk a bit in a
practice, for instance, you may be surprised at his leaping ability.
Of course losing about 30+ lbs from the last two seasons, and his
injured feet getting better, has helped him regain his vertical leap.

As for 6'1", a typical NBA stretch.  I was damn close to looking him
straight in the eye, and I'm 5'10" soaking wet on a *great* day.

-- 
Rick Grubin     grubin@ncar.ucar.edu
"I'm a thin mint man myself."  -Al Albert
From: wyattw@tekig1.pen.tek.com (Wyatt A Webb;629-1592;92-835;tekig1.pen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: BLAZER SEX SCANDAL
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:38:33 GMT
	<exby.728064441@spot.Colorado.EDU>
	<jjonsson.349@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> <1k6uccINNsak@news.aero.org>
Organization: Tektronix - Application Software Development
In-reply-to: robert@aero.org's message of 27 Jan 93 21:21:16 GMT

In article <1k6uccINNsak@news.aero.org> robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) writes:

   In article <jjonsson.349@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
   |[...]
   >doesn't plan to press charges because his daughter had told him that the sex 
   >was consensual, and the age of consent in Utah is 16.

   Is that correct? Wow. Those Mormons are doing something right
   after all  :-)

		   R.S.


That may be between kids of the same age, but according to the paper
here, sex with someone 16 to 18 is still a misdemeanor...

I dunno...

Anyone from Utah have the real lowdown on this law?  (Is this still
r.s.b.p? ;-)

Later,

	-Wyatt




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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Pacific division dominates
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:57:35 GMT

ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
>      bunky@milton.u.washington.edu (Mike) writes:
>  	I noticed in todays paper that the Pacific division now holds the
>  	top 3 winning percentages in the NBA.  [...]
>I believe I heard on CNN that the last time this happened in the NBA was in
>1970, when there were only two divisions.

That's true. According to our friendly archive (wuarchive.wustl.edu),
the 1970 final standings were:

	New_York      60 22	Atlanta       48 34
	Milwaukee     56 26	Los_Angeles   46 36
	Baltimore     50 32	Chicago       39 43
	Philadelphia  42 40	Phoenix       39 43
	Cincinnati    36 46	Seattle       36 46
	Boston        34 48	San_Francisco 30 52
	Detroit       31 51	San_Diego     27 55

Since then, the top 3 records came from the same *conference* three
times:

In 1972, the Lakers were 69-13, Milwaukee 63-19 and Chicago 57-25
(yes, kids, in those days the Midwest division really had teams from
the midwest).  In 1975, Boston and Washington 60-22, Buffalo(!) 49-33;
And in 1981, Boston and Philadelphia 62-20 and Milwaukee 60-22.

--Gidi

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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: BOXSCORE sea34por34.17jan93 Portland 109 Seattle 97
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:26:56 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: Blazereez

In article <{y#@byu.edu>, jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson) writes:

For those relatively new to r.s.bb.pro, the following is an example
of a regional dialect known as Blazereez. It often requires some
translation, which I've supplied below.

> 
> This second T on Kersey was a terrible call!  

"Sean Kemp was the victim of a near-flagrant foul."

>Kersey and Kemp hustled down
> a rebound and once both players had their hands on the ball the ref turned
> away to call a jump ball and when he looked back Kemp was falling to the
> floor. 

"The referee had perfect position and saw exactly what happened."

> The ref assumed Kersey threw Kemp to the floor, but Kemp just had
> bad footing and lost his balance and fell when he was still trying to muscle
> for the rebound. 

"Kersey threw Kemp to the floor."

> Kersey didn't throw him. 

"Yes, Kersey definitely threw Kemp to the floor."

> Kersey even went to help Kemp
> back up.

"He even stood over Kemp and began taunting him."

>xNow why would he do that if he intentionally threw him to the
> floor?? 

"After the 2nd T, Kersey began to rant at the referee."

> I know refs make bad calls sometimes, but I just had to say
> something...
> 

"No one should have been surprised by the T, but as usual,
the Blazers and their fans blamed biased officiating."

Does this help? Even net rookies can apply this as a
basic translator for other posts in Blazereez.

Paul
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From: byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau)
Subject: Re: Ben's Trivia
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:13:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.063156.24815@muddcs.claremont.edu> byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau) writes:
>>#1:
>>What were the circumstances surrounding this quote (parts left out so as not
>>to make it too obvious):
>>
>Terry Kofler: "I'll have to say that ....team, they showed remarkable unity...
>To a man, they stood there naked from the waist down and scratched in unison."
>
>Kofler worked as a trainer for an EXPANSION TEAM.
>The event happened in Oct 1988.  
>

well, since the other two are down now.  I figured I'd post the answer to this
one.. maybe you guys at work will read this before you go home for the weekend
and I want to save you all the tossing and turning over the weekend you'd 
spend wondering about basketball players scratching themselves:
but of coure, I have to do this suspense-wise like in those terrible mystery
movies:


Kofler worked for an expansion team.  The event happened in Oct 1988.  One 
person I was talking to guessed correctly in that Kofler worked for the 
Hornets.  

Oct 1988.  Not yet the beginning of the season...but time for preseason.

In fact, it was the Hornets very first NBA game.

New team, new players, new coach, even new uniforms..including...



new jockstraps. 

The game was an exhibition game agaisnt New Jersey, played in Madision Square
Guarden.  The uniforms arrived so late that the players didn't get them until
just minutes befor the game. 

Everything was still in boxes.  Kofler forgot one important task in the rush 
to suit up...washing the athletic supporters..

Kofler:"With certain brands of athletic supporters, you really need to launder
them first.  If you don't, there's something in them that causes really intense
itching.  Unfortunately, we had one of those brands."

as you can guess, at halftime, the players made a run for the locker room, 
ripped off their unifroms, dropped their drawers, and scratched and scratched
and scratched..  


Coach Dick Harter then came in to make his halftime speech, saw his Hornets
frantically scratching themselves, and well..

"I knew the first half had been bad, " he admited later. "But when I saw all
those naked guys, I wondered, 'Are they thinking abou going home?'"


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From: benjie@exeter.uucp (Android)
Subject: test
Organization: NCC 1701-D U.S.S. Enterprise
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:49:02 GMT

test
From: chris@milton.u.washington.edu (BelchMaster)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: left handed teams
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:57:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1k1np7INNb7b
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

How about Michael Cage!!!
From: gerberrl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Richard L. Gerberding)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Pacific division dominates
Date: 26 Jan 1993 12:34:42 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: gerberrl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Richard L. Gerberding)
NNTP-Posting-Host: o233-05.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <C1FMqr.Fqz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pkeenan@s.psych.uiuc.edu  
(Patricia Keenan) writes:
> bunky@milton.u.washington.edu (Mike) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >	I noticed in todays paper that the Pacific division now holds the
> >	top 3 winning percentages in the NBA.  I'm not very familiar with 
> >	the history of the NBA but this seems like quite an impressive
> >	accomplishment.  Does anyone know when the last time this happened
> >	was?
> 
>      Playing Dallas and Minnesot 4 or 5 times a year will do that...
> 
> >	Mike
> 
Let's look at it another way, only in the Pacific could a team like the  
Blazers have to play 10 games against teams with a better record from  
within the division.  The Bulls play their whole schedule with only 6  
games against teams with a better record (all in the Pacific).  I'm not  
knocking the Bulls, though I am a Blazer fan, but there are weaker teams  
in the East as well, not as many elite teams, and still they are 4th in  
the league.

--

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From: mcgowacd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Carlos D McGowan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Minkoff Player Rankings-- correction
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:45:39 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: mcgowacd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Carlos D McGowan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-14.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1993Jan22.001817.27957@ennews.eas.asu.edu>  
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
> In article <43792@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony  
Minkoff) writes:
> >
> >Oops-- one very silly bug in the system did not properly account for
> >games played.  That bug has been fixed (although I believe there is
> >still another one lurking).  Anyway, here is the corrected list.
> >Players who have missed part of the season due to injury were
> >penalized in the previous rankings.  Thus, Dominique Wilkins jumped
> >from #34 to #14, Kevin Johnson from #163 to #57, and Sarunas
> >Marciulionis from #183 to #82.
> 
> I thought KJ's position might draw a second look from you.
> 
> Later.
How are these ratings figured out?
> --
> Harry Koehnemann			Arizona State University
> koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu		Computer Science Department
> --
> Harry Koehnemann			Arizona State University
> koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu		Computer Science Department