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From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: Quayle on Homosexuality
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:31:25 GMT

From The New York Times (9/14/92) without permission:

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QUAYLE CONTENDS HOMOSEXUALITY
IS A MATTER OF CHOICE, NOT BIOLOGY

By Karen De Witt (special to The New York Times)

Washington, Sept. 13

Sounding the conservative themes that were paramount at the
Republican National Convention, Vice President Dan Quayle
said today that homosexuality was most often a personal
choice and not determined by biology, and that it was "a
wrong choice."

Appearing on the ABC News program "This Week," Mr. Quayle
touched on subjects that included the Republican stance on
abortion and homosexual rights and aid for hurricane victims
in Florida and Hawaii...

[text relating to other issues deleted]

In the clearest statement yet of his own beliefs on
homosexuality, Mr. Quayle said, "My viewpoint is that it's
more of a choice than a biological situation."

When pressed on where he stood, Mr. Quayle said:  "I think it
is a wrong choice.  It is a wrong; it is a wrong choice.  I do
believe in most cases it certainly is a choice."

Some recent medical studies indicate that homosexuality may be
genetically determined.

In any case, Mr. Quayle sought to de-emphasize the debate,
pointing out that the Bush Administration had a policy of non-
discrimination against homosexuals.  He contrasted this with a
Democratic Party platform position that calls for affirmative-
action programs for homosexuals [huh?!...rod]  Mr. Quayle said
this would lead to intrusive questioning of people's sexual
preferences.

The President "will have a policy of nondiscrimination," Mr.
Quayle said.  "But, obviously, the gay and lesbian activists
are a constituency of the Democratic Party, and Bill Clinton
has made a pledge that he will hire gays and lesbians, and the
only way that he can do that, to have the kind of a situation,
is to ask someone their sexual orientation.  We don't think
it's anybody's business."

George Stephanopoulos, Mr. Clinton's spokesman, countered the
Vice President's comments, saying affirmative-action laws were
needed to protect workers' rights.

[more irrelevant text deleted]

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: To Laura
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
	<1992Sep10.010740.18151@microsoft.com>
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:31:34

In article <1992Sep10.010740.18151@microsoft.com>
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes: 

   If it is practiced behavior (as you finally admit to) then it is
   controllable.  Why should gays engage in practiced, deliberate
   behavior that plays right into the hands' of straight stereotypes?

Ok.  How do you answer the fundie who says that your sexual attraction
to men is controllable, and that you should control it (i.e. abstain)?

Do you say, "No, I can't control it, so please accept me anyway."?

Or do you say, "It doesn't matter whether or not I'm choosing to have
gay sex.  In either case, you have no right to inflict your judgements
on me, or on anyone else who doesn't want them."?

- Bob
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: NEWSWEEK POLL: Plurality of Americans support GAY RIGHTS
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:12:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep14.144554.14051@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lje@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (lisa.j.elser) writes:
>The RC church refuses to marry people who are incapable of having 
>children.  Every so often a story hits the papers about a couple who
>are denied the right to marry in the Church because one of them is
>paralyzed or known to be sterile, and great cry is made over the inequity.

Wrong.  Individuals who are sterile can and do get married in the RC
Church.  All the time.  The big deal is with marriages between a man
and a woman where insertive genital intercourse wouldn't be possible,
since such marriages can't be ahem, "consummated".  I don't think
paralysis is a sufficient impediment, since there are generally plenty
of spinal reflexes intact in paralysed individuals.  But this is moot,
anyway, because it is routine for a bishop to grant dispensations to
such couples.  The times this hits the papers is generally due to a
local priest or bishop being inexcusably ignorant of canon law in this
regard.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: wlp@calmasd.Prime.COM (Walt  Peterson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: San Diego BSA recent action
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:49:30 GMT
Organization: Computervision, A Prime Company. San Diego R&D

In article <1992Sep10.221112.778@calmasd.prime.com}
jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop) writes:
}
}		........
}
}--------------------------------------------------------------------------
}
}                      Boy Scouts: No Gay Leader
}                     Explorers drop popular cop
}          Local leaders reject help from homosexual officer
}
}The Boy Scouts of America's local council has asked the El Cajon
}police officer who served as adviser to his department's Explorers
}program to sever his ties with scouting because he is gay.
}
}El Cajon Police Chief Jack Smith said the council's decision to
}suspend Officer Chuck Merino was "extremely uncalled-for and very
}unfortunate."
}
}"It is certainly something we can't tolerate," Smith said.
}
}	...[stuff deleted for brevity]
}
}Smith described Merino, who has worked with the department's Explorer
}program for five years, as "superb, just superb," while Merino's
}colleagues said he is one of their best.
}
}	... [more deletions for space]
}
}[San Diego Police Chief] Bob Burgreen vowed yesterday to support
}Smith's efforts on Merino's behalf.
}



	We seem to be able to start 'phone zaps' fast enough when
someone does something to hurt us; let's reverse that and call Chiefs
Smith and Burgreen and thank them for their support of Officer Merino.


	The numbers are:

		El Cajon Police
			Community Realtions	(619)579-3359
			General Information	(619)579-3311

		San Diego Police
			Public Affairs		(619)531-2290
			General Information	(619)531-2000


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: To Laura
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:03:13 GMT

In article <iw.716576228@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) writes:
>bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>Beats me why you think that being nelly is any more practiced or unnatural
>than the rest of human behaviour.

Iseult, don't be coy.  You know he thinks that because he's *DUMB*.  All
that manly testostorone has caused a mental meltdown.


Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
From: trey@peregrine.peregrine.com (Trey Chapman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A Resolution Regarding Discrimination and Bank of America
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:37:16 GMT
Reply-To: trey@peregrine (Trey Chapman)
Organization: Peregrine Systems, Inc.

In article <m0mPywE-0000MaC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Warren Jay Eggly) writes:
>  A Resolution Regarding Discrimination and Bank of America
>
>BE IT RESOLVED THAT Monday, October 12, 1992, be declared "National Take It Out 
>Day". On that day, businesses and individuals that support American values of 
>fairness and equity are encouraged to withdraw funds and/or close their 
>accounts at all branches of Bank America, Security Pacific Bank, and Seattle 
>First National Bank.
>

We opened our account at Wells Fargo Bank on Monday 8-31, and as soon as we
get our new ATM cards the BofA account will be closed. 
We called the bank and let them know that we were not pleased with their
change of decision, and they said that they would get back with us. This was
on Thursday. After thw weekend I figured that they had had long enough to
look at their policy and to respond to us. I think that it is 
time we all took a firm stand on this issue. I know that for us it was only
how soon can we get the account moved.
	-trey
-- 
*************************************************************
Trey Chapman				trey@peregrine.com
1959 Palomar Oaks Way, Carlsbad, CA	(619) 431-2400 x145
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:44:51 GMT

In article <12195@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>
>This is exactly why I can't take homosexuals seriously.  I have
>repeatedly made it clear that I want the government to leave
>people alone unless they engage in force or fraud against others,
>and you have this crazy idea that I would support some sort of
>extermination scheme.  Not at all, and I would vigorously
>oppose (by all means necessary) any such effort to exterminate
>homosexuals.

No problem here. 

So what about a compromise then:

Remove all discrimination laws (including any regarding religion), and
make homosexuals and heterosexuals equal in all respects under the law.
Marriages, military service, equal protection from police, etc.

I'd vote for it...
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: YAT (Yet Another Thread)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:28:12 GMT

In article <72246@apple.Apple.COM>, mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
> 
> >However, since we are going to be having a mini-con in Seattle in October,
> >you will have a chance to be a bore in person.  I do hope you have the
> >intestinal fortitude to show, I am looking sooo forward to having a manly
> >chat with you.
> 
> >Of course, you wouldn't be too scared of us nelly queens to make an
> >appearance and perhaps a statement, would you, Bobby?
> 
> 
> Please have one in San Francisco.  I would so like to have a manly
> chat with you.

  This is particularly hilarious knowing Mark. The vision of Mark The Nelly
Queen is too much. 
  Mark, bring the crampons. Perhaps you could practice your Japanese Geisha
back massage.


		Mike, just back from the Oregon Trail, safely behind
		      the Orange Curtain again :-(
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: To Laura
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:43:47 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith) writes:
  >>Hell, any movement as perfect as that should be able to rule the 
  >>fucking world.
 >You mean we don't?  What the hell are all these effing pods good for,
 >then?

They're delicious steamed very briefly and then tossed with a
balsamic vinaigrette.

Mara [salivating]
-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: What is virginity?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 06:50:04 GMT

harris@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) writes:

>I like this.  A difference between physical and emotional
>virginity...hmm, it has some intruiging possibilities.

I'd say virginity is another pointless black-and-white morality judgement
imposed upon us by the Moral Majority and their ilk. There is *NOT* just
one instance that marks sexual maturity. You become 'experienced' over
many years, not in a few minutes/hours. So many things are important; the
physical ability to be sexual, the emotional response, the *kiss* (can't
forget that!), the first sexual touch, the first time seeing another
person nude in a sexual context, the first orgasm, the first assisted
orgasm, the first (specific sex act here), the realization that you are
able to attract others, the first crush, the first love, on and on and on.
(If non-consentual events count at all in this chart I'd say they're only
in a negative way.)

We might as well be discussing nature/nurture here for all the good it
does to try and pick apart the exact moment of 'experience'. Sex is a
*huge* topic; do you think it can be summed up in just *one* 'experience'?

--
John Dorrance  * Don't fuck with Ms. Congeniality *  thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

	Every jumbled pile of person has a thinking part that wonders
	     what the part that isn't thinking isn't thinking of
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: nomad@castle.org (Lee Damon)
Subject: If you haven't sent your checks to no-on-hate yet, do it!
Organization: The Castle, not-yet-Public Access Un*x Systems; Peekskill, NY
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:53:03 GMT

The UPI reports today that Pat Robertson's organization ("Christian
Coalition") has donated $20,000 (that's twenty-thousand dollars folks)
to "the cause" (measure 9 - anti-gay measure in Oregon).
They are also "launching an Oregon chapter to recruit voters through
churches."

It goes on to say that Lon Mabon "went to Robertson's Virginia home
over the weekend to take part in a political [? word missing] sponsored
by the Coalition.  (The one that Bush spoke at Friday.)

Gack, this makes me ill.

nomad
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: NEWSWEEK POLL: Plurality of Americans support GAY RIGHTS
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:33:25 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <3v4ybzr@rpi.edu>, buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
> johne@or.credence.com (John Ewing) writes:
# ##Should homosexuals have equal rights under the law?
# ##78% YES
# ##17% NO
# ##
# ##RON BUCKMIRE
# 
# #WRONG !!!
# 
# #A "plurality" (whatever that is) of Americans support EQUAL RIGHTS for gays
# #under the law !!!                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
# So what's your point? :-)
# 
# #John Ewing (johne@or.credence.com)
# -- 
# RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ***Clinton-Gore '92***

Most Americans support Equal Rights for homosexuals, myself included.
We don't support homosexuals getting special protection, which is what
the homosexual community is so anxious to have the government
grant them.  There's a big difference.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: *Welcome* to Cabal Talk
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:34:00 GMT

>mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>>Yes, a tsutshepenish.

> As the original skit occured on Saturday Night Live - and you *most*
> *certainly* don't watch such a plebian show, it seems likely that
> you haven't got a clue what the whole thing was about in the first
> place.

Even *I* know what the sketch was, and I'm in fucking AUSTRALIA.

What a yold.

--Brent
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A Conversation With Matthew
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:33:27 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Well, I suppose if some poor soul has gone to the trouble of starting
up a conversation with me, I wouldn't be much the southern lady if I
didn't at least say hello...

jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
(aka Queer without a *Clue*)

>mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon):
>> On the matter of 'Queer Politics' being something other than 'politics,' 
>> there exists simply some nebulous blob of power - and a pack of screaming
>> self-interested individuals who want to control said blob.
>> On this field, they are all playing the *same* *game*  They are all
>> trying to influence 'Power.'

[I'll leave this in because it's so *cute*]

>what makes you so incredibly boring, melon, is that you
>can never finish a thought.  a good idea could play hide
>and seek in one of your postings, and always make it
>safely to base.

[now the Orwellian part]

>in particular, tell me, what are the motivations behind
>``Queer Politics,'' as you have described so far?  why
>are ``queer politics'' trying to influence ``power?''
>what do ``queers'' have to gain?  i can picture your
>eyeballs swimming, but there's really only one question.
>[you might want to include, however, an indication of
>this ``power.''  otherwise, i'm going to make smart ass
>cracks about using The Force.]

Let's see - I say "Queer Politics don't exist."  You say
"What are the motivations behand 'Queer Politics?'

Fine.  Queer Politics exist.

Perhaps, one could say there are a bunch of oak trees and a
bunch of maple trees.  The maples are upset, because the oaks
grab up all the light. The politics of the Maples is to get
more light.  The politics of the oaks is to keep the status
quo.  Can the oaks help their feelings if they like the
way they're made?  To the maples, it's obvious there exists
some sinister oak oppression.  To the oaks, it's obvious
the maples are envious, bitchy little whiners.  To the maples,
it's obvious the oaks aren't going to listen, so it's time
to bring out the axe.  To the oaks, it's obvious the maples
will only be satisfied by cutting them all down, so it's time
to bring out the axe.

So what was a beautiful forest of towering oaks and delicate
maples has become a nightmare of hate, and the creatures all
have fled.

And in the end, the trees are all kept equal, by hatchet, axe,
and saw.

Matthew Melmon
(many thanks the _wrrrrrRuuusssssshhhhh_)
From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:59:14 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1409@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
>In article <!+tnarq.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep9.161015.3854@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>>>In article <x=sndkn.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Sep9.032257.9109@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>"The tight-assed Tyrolean scholars were very uncomfortable even having
>>>>>to acknowledge it," _Lambda_ said, "but Otzi is the first known homosexual
>>>>>man that enjoyed being fucked. ...Otzi was the passive partner--of this
>>>>>there is absolutely no doubt...The sperm has been carbon-dated."
>>>
>>>>That's silly,  What made them think he enjoyed it? 
>>>
>>>	Wouldn't you?
>>
>>Not in the snow, I wouldn't. 
>
>Would you, could you, in a cave?

Depends on who it'd be.  I would, and could, in a cave. 
Fuzzie Wuzzie was a bear....
Flapjack
From: arcane@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Kendrick Davis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Need of Gay hotels in Amsterdam and Berlin (in a week) !!!
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:53:35 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida



 Two of my friends will be travelling to Amsterdam and Berlin, and I 
mentioned that if I posted on here, perhaps someone could suggest a good 
place for both!
  
 Basically, they want a "nice" place, gay oriented, Bed and Breakfast, 
.not too expensive. If you could suggest anything (perf. with a phone 
#), we would be most appreciative!

  Thank you!!  (hugs)


                            -< ARCANE >-
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: political t-shirts
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 10:37:59 GMT

roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
>amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>> my story is about my READ MY LIPS t-shirt.  which i wore all day
>> wednesday,
>Maybe 547-7323 would make a nice phone number?

In addition to the obvious decoding, this phone number can be
interpreted (if we bend our strict morpheme-division rules) as
KISS-DAD.

,
Eamonn, pretending to know what a morpheme is
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:29:45 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1992Sep9.032257.9109@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)  
writes:
> Reprinted w/o permission from "In", a weekly Boston gay bar rag.
> As Brian Gollum likes to say in his signature: "Se non e vero,
> e ben trovato."
> 
> Otztal Valley, ITALY -- The mainstream media reported widely on "Otzi",
> the 5,477-year-old Stone Age man found mummified in a melting glacier
> high in the Italian Tyrolean Alps.  The U.S. media did not, however,  
share
> a gripping detail that was reported in Italy, Austria, Switzerland and
> elsewhere: there was sperm in Otzi's anal canal.

For unknown reasons, this strikes me as incredibly romantic. Sort of gives  
me that warm fuzzy feeling all over.

Perhaps it's just because I'm into those hairy, primitive, Stone Age types  
that lived so long before the age of razors....

:-)

-Anthony
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: Orson Scott Card
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:07:34 GMT

Well, I think my Queer Card is in good standing, but I have not yet
received an Orson Scott Card. It sounds like I should refuse delivery
on it, anyway.


Kathy
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:01:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep10.143508.27254@spdcc.com> <1992Sep10.145554.28979@spdcc.com>

Bob Donahue writes:
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>The way those
>>reports quoted the European gay groups as saying "he ENJOYED it" was
>>delicious.  And, I'm firmly in the Anthony Berno camp--don't tell me  
>>that it's a hoax or that he was raped and killed.  I want to imagine
>>that my Neanderthal, in totally revealing leather, walked bowlegged
>>across the Alpine tundra.  Sigh.
>        .... with a smile on his face.

And the lucky sot got to experience that delicious sensation
of his lover's cum running down the backs of his legs after
a hard, sweaty fuck....
 
() Gay is standard equipment on some models. Period.
()      -- Jack Carroll (secbh@cunyvm.bitnet)
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