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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: doctor who letter in tv g
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:29:53 EST

-> In the January 23-29 edition of tv-guide a letter was printed asking
-> how tv-guide overlooked Doctor Who.

 Did TV-Guide make any response, or just print the letter with no
explanation? Has TV-Guide ever heard of Doctor Who, or have they got
their thumbs up Star Trek?

Regards,
Dale Clayton
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From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: THE ULTIMATE FOE
Date: 22 Jan 1993 11:40 EST
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In article <6000.130.uupcb@ssr.com>, doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes) writes...
> 
>Of course, I'm sure you noticed the same actor who was in The Enemy of
>the World (I can't remember the character name) and as Castellan Kelner
>in Invasion of Time.

	This was a guy named Milton Johns, who seemed to have made a
career in "Who" playing various snivelly characters.  As well as playing
the weasely Benik (Salamander's sidekick) in "Enemy of the World", he
appeared as Guy Crayford, in "The Android Invasion".

>      - Doug
> 
						Jason Miller
						"some doctor guy"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: uad1189@dircon.co.uk (Dave Yadallee)
Subject: Re: The valeyard from P & J Baker's point of view.
Reply-To: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 13:48:59 GMT

mrmuon@next10csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:

>In article <igeoXB9w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>  
>yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>> I just read a portion of Ultimate Foe and ended up bafflegaffed(sp?).
>> 
>> Acc P & J Baker, the Master states that the Valeyard is the Doctor's
>> penultimate incarnaton, somewhere between your 12th and last  
>>regeneration.
>
>I read the beginning of the novel and watched the begining of the show a  
>few days ago with the issue of that line in mind.
>Although my memory may be failing me, I think the major difference between  
>the lines in the novel and show, besides occuring at a different point in  
>the story, is that in the show it's "between your 12th and final  
>incarnation" and in the novel it's "somewhere between your 12th and final  
>reincarnation".
>(It's a little subtle because the word is split accross a line as "re-
>incarnation") I'm pretty sure that the term reincarnation has never been  
>used about the Dr in the show itself. 
>This is not the best novelization I've seen; It calls the guards' weapons  
>"phasers" (a Star trek term, last I heard) whereas these are probably what  
>the Doctor called "patrol stasers" in "The Invasion of Time".
>I hope my memory is working. Otherwise I'm merely making a fool of myself.
>
>--
>Eli Hawkins : mrmuon@wam.umd.edu

  Trust me on this one.  Robert holmes wrote the script, P & J did the novelization,
 Hence the confusion, and now I see why GRUBB is confused.
  The Valeyard, IMHO is a catalyst to the Doctor's final regeneration, but
 the secret of the valeyard died with R. Holmes unless Lauren Holmes could
tell us, but I believe you are right Eli.
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From: tex@cs.nott.ac.uk (Timothy Emanuel)
Subject: Re: Wanted: DW bloopers...
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:04:49 GMT

In article <18128@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
>In Dalek Invasion of Earth part two, there's a hilarious battle scene at
>the heliport.  One guy runs across the field, freezes, contorts in agony --
>and THEN the Dalek gun fires and the picture goes negative.  Oops.
>
>Also listen for the Supreme Dalek clearing his throat before his big speech
>in that episode.

What about the manic Dalek shouting "We are the bastards of Earth" at the 
beginning of that episode I think.

Tom shouting "Spack off" at the Daleks in Destiny.

And I could talk about Billy Hartnell all night.

Tim.

"I'm not a mountain goat and I prefer walking to any day"

"The airlock will open and they'll be lost in Spain, er lost in space"


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From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: Re: Castrovalva
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 19:30:17 GMT

In article <jrk.728080952@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway) writes:
>Presumably the programme makers intended these, but then why were they
>not more explicit?  I didn't notice a single impossible cube, endless
>staircase, or intricate tesselation.  Perhaps they couldn't get
>permission from Escher's estate for a more substantial use of his images?

(Some deleted; the question is about the Davison episode "Castrovalva")

As silly as it sounds, I think the main reason they didn't have
those in the show is it's a tad hard to build those impossible
cubes, the waterfalls running up and so on. 
I assume that the Escher comparison was just that; a comparison
and there was a limit to how far they could go with it.

Marc
mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu


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From: lizb@banyan.com
Subject: Remembrance (Was: Re: Wanted: DW bloopers...)
Organization: Banyan Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:18:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.161423.685@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>
>I also want to point out one other thing about "Remembrance," because I 
>think it's something Ben Aaronovitch completely forgot about when he came
>to do his quite excellent novel.  
>Recall the scene where Mike gets the message on the piece of paper from his
>Mum that the Group Captain is expecting everyone, and then adds at the end,
>"He's specifically ordered that Ace remain here."  Ace bends over to look
>at the note, and Mike smiles suspiciously and crumples the message up in
>his hand before she can look at it.  As they leave, he goes into that 
>"Have dinner ready" spiel.  
>In the novel, Ben seems to have totally forgotten the purpose of this scene,
>which is Mike trying to "teach" Ace to be a "good wife" circa 1963, or
>perhaps much earlier in time than that.  

Was that really the point of the scene?  I always assumed he crumpled
up the note because he knew bad things were likely to happen and
wanted her left out of them.  (I am open to being convinced otherwise.)

I did notice the omission from the book, though.

Liz
lizb@banyan.com
P.S. - Have mercy on me, because this day SUCKED.
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Buying Dr. Who Videos in New York City
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:41:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.-aq3#tc
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

In article <93025.100854JJSGC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <JJSGC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
|> This is for DOCTOR8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu and any other Whovian in New York City.

I'll add one to your excellent list:

J&R Music World, 2 blocks north of the World Trade Center (on Park Row, I
believe.. they own half the block, you can't miss it...)

They usually stock the new videos when the come out, altho they also tend to
sell out rather well (which is not a BAD thing!)

I'd love to be back in Qeens (I also live in Jamaica. OZ to be exact...) where
at least I'd have a CHANCE at getting them. But alas, I'm stuck in Troy, NY... 
where there's NO PLACE to get the videos!

|>                                             Joe Svitak,
|>                                          City University of New York
|>                                           The Graduate School
|> email: JJSGC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

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From: G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Lis Sladen spotted?
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:56:33 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU


 Was it my imagination or did I spot Lis Sladen in Tom Jones' new video (the
charity Childline one, All you need is Love) holding a kid. I only got a brief
glimpse and wasn't 100% sure. How old must she be now? And was that her kid?

Gareth
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Dr. Who pinball game
From: jlehan@zeus.calpoly.edu (Joshua Michael Lehan)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:01:27 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho, rec.games.pinball
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Keywords: voices pinball who sounds
Summary: Anyone know what the characters are saying in the game?


I have been playing the Dr. Who pinball game, and like it a _LOT_ -- the
special effects are incredible.  I have never seen the Dr. Who TV show
before, so I don't know anything about the characters.  I was wondering
what the characters are saying in the game.  In rec.games.pinball the voices
for other games were posted, but Dr. Who hasn't been yet.

One of the voices in the game, and there are MANY -- goes "I do not mind ...
it's the obstacles that I hate!"   I can't understand the part in the
middle.  It's after Video Mode 3, in which a doctor is leaning up against
a big machine while saying something.  Also, at the end of multiball,
the big guy you're trying to defeat (Davros?) says "Your time expander is
of no use..."

Because the voices  in the game are played so quietly in comparison to the
other sound effects, it's hard to tell what they are saying.  If any of
you Dr. Who fans can tell what they are saying, please tell me.

"Back up my hard disk?  I can't find the reverse switch!"
From: doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: THE ULTIMATE FOE
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:58:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes) 

I just discovered something which I'm sure you all knew already:
In the Ultimate Foe, the Keeper of the Matrix is the same actor who
played the Security Chief in the War Games... (I realized it when I
heard that same annoying tone of voice which I thought in the War Games
was just bad acting, when the Keeper said: "The Key of Rassilon *NEVER*
leaves my possession...") Same guy: James Bree... I thought you all
might be interested.

Of course, I'm sure you noticed the same actor who was in The Enemy of
the World (I can't remember the character name) and as Castellan Kelner
in Invasion of Time.

      - Doug

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From: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Wanted: DW bloopers...
Date: 28 Jan 1993 09:57:48 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Reply-To: keeper@deeptht.armory.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <18186@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
>>	"And now we show the first episode in our new science fiction
>>	series for children, D.." 

It never says anything about being for children.

>Ah, not FIRST episode.  Just _A_ new episode.

Oh, I think it does.  My memory tells me:

" ... a quarter past five, and your ... continues with an adventure
  in a new science-fiction series, D--"

That's not what my mind was telling me moments ago, but it got muddled
up with the BBC2 voice before the first episode of the fourth series
of `Red Dwarf', which says " ... mutual compatibility, as we begin the
first of a new series of award-winning comedy aboard Red Dwarf."

The word `first' was bounced around in my mind a bit.

>If it were the first episode, that would set the story on the day after
>the Kennedy assassination -- when Britain's TV schedules were still
>completely disrupted with news broadcasts.  And there wasn't even a mention
>of this in the story.

Yes there most definitely was.  The time was clearly stated as being
"a quarter past five."  The starting time should have been at 5 p.m.


Of course, in `Remembrance of the Daleks', it's broad daylight when this
appears on the television, which it shouldn't be at a quarter past five
in late November in London.

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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Where is Transit? (It's HERE!)
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:46:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.092159.10086@iscsvax.uni.edu>, morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

|> I have nearly finished Transit, and I can get my hands on a copy of it for 
|> someone who is desperate enough.
|> I have not yet seen in on the standard bookshelfs (B. Dalton, Waldenbooks), 
|> but then this is Iowa afterall.

Transit is now available at Fine Stores Everywhere(tr).

|> Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
|> morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
|> 
|> Not easily offended.

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From: stephane.boyer@p35.f290.n167.z1.hexacom.UUCP (stephane boyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Romana 'N' Dave  stories
Date: 20 Jan 93 21:14:52 GMT

hello!

    does anyone know how to get all the Romana and Dave parodies???
i Don't have FTP access...

please reply by e-mail or netmail to address stated below....

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From: G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: new episodes
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:21:59 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

gregoryf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg Fink) writes:

>there have been no official episodes made since the camera's stopped
>rolling on Survival.

  If you look at the production codes of the s26 stories you'll notice that 7Q
was Ghost Light. This was the last Who story to be made (for the moment 8^)

 It was decided to alter the screening order at a later date.

(This rather destroyed the nice continuity links between The Curse of Fenric
and Ghost Light where Ace refers to a spooky house she'd visited as a child in
the former. If they'd been left in the order Fenric, Ghost Light this line
would have been more appreciated...)

Gareth
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From: tim.haley@Central.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Speaking of Lalla Ward...
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:15:58 GMT
Reply-To: tim.haley@Central.Sun.COM ()
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alex.soto@analog.com writes:
>
> Well Doctor#4 does it (stops his breathing) in Terror of the Zygons (?) I 
> believe where he puts Sarah in a hypnotic trance to slow/stop her breathing
> also.  The curious thing is that he says he learned this trick from a
> monk in Tibet, but perhaps he was referring to inducing another - and
> not himself.  Afterwards, Doctor #5 has a bit more trouble doing it in
> Four to Doomsday when the entire ship's life support is turned off.  He seems
> to breath heavily as though he is slightly choking vs. Doctor #4 just 
> keeping quiet and in his trance. 

Oh, okay, I remember that Davison episode now.  How convenient to be
able to stop one's breathing (especially for writers in a jam :-) )
Which Davison episode (I think maybe its the first one after the
episode where he regenerates) does the Doctor have to perform a
spacewalk in order to fix something?  Didn't he have to have an oxygen
mask for that?  Couldn't he have applied the same trick? (Sorry, my
memory is not very good about this as you can tell, maybe I'm talking
about the same episode you are).

> 	You thought Romana II was irritating?  I thought Romana I was 
> prettier, but more irritating.  Romana II seemed to take up some of the
> Doctor #4's qualities (especially shown in Warriors' Gate when talking
> to Adric).  Perhaps she did this on purpose when she regenerated to get
> along with the Doctor better.  She even ended up doing something Doctor
> like - she left TimeLord Society to be a traveler (and help the Tharils
> as she traveled).

Well, first of all I have only seen these episodes once or twice so
its probably unfair for me to judge Romana II too harshly.  It will be
interesting to see if my opinion holds up as I watch these episodes
again.  From my memory (which I've already proved is really good (NOT)),
Romana II seemed a bit too stubborn for my tastes.  I guess what I liked
about Romana I was that she was cocksure but when she was in over her head
she knew it.  I guess you are right in a sense, she's more like doctor #4,
kind of a little too self-assured.  I must say, though, that by the time
Warrior's Gate rolled around I had a lot of respect for the character.

-- 
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From: rad@cix.compulink.co.uk (Cray Communications)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Some trivial questions
Date: 21 Jan 1993 10:17:16 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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For a while I thought The Abominable Snowmen was the most 
male-dominated Dr Who story ever (only Victoria), then I remembered 
the Deadly Assassin (no women at all). Are there any other male 
dominated stories / episodes and are there any women dominated ones 
(Galaxy 4 and The Happiness Patrol perhaps ?)

Secondly, a piece of Trivia: Pat Troughton appears to use the same 
device to measure current (electricity in some form ?) in parts 1 of 
Web of Fear (the rails in the underground) and Tomb of The Cybermen 
(the doors to the Tomb). In both cases the device registers nothing 
(maybe it's broken ;-).

Richard
From: rpk@niagara.edu (Richard P. Kernin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Book Corrections
Date: 21 Jan 93 07:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan20.180044.24129@nmsu.edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes...
>rpk@niagara.edu (Richard P. Kernin) writes:
>>In each case I have received different ISBNs for the associated   
>>target novel.  If you have the novel, or bump into it at your local book   
>>store :), please drop me a line saying what the actual ISBN is!
>They BOTH may be correct.  Some times when a book is reprinted it gets a
>different ISBN number.  Target books went though a large reprinting.
>The OLD books are WHITE the NEW ones are BLUE and some DO have different
>ISBN numbers. 

Yes, I'm full aware of the reprintings going on by Target.  That is why I
started buying the books.  I'm a fan of Alister Pearson's Doctor Who artwork,
and most of the reissues use his work.  I also like the Pinnacle covers (ie.
black covers with airbrushed looking artwork) and received a couple of them
well over 10 years ago as a present, and my first DW books, but I digress.

The reason why I posted the ISBNs in question is to have someone prove
concretely that they are correct, or that they both are correct, as the
case my be.  They were culled from an old list, or from the back of another
Target novel, both of which have turned up other errors, so they are not 100%
accurate.  If someone with a copy could verify the ISBN(s), then I would be
confident about making it part of the database.

>'The Face of Evil & The Sunmakers' ISBN 0-352-32417-1

Thank you for this addition, I've noticed a bunch of these duel novels
in my local bookstore, but haven't added them yet since the Target novels
aren't complete yet.

Take care.

-Rich

PS> not all old Target novels are white, there is a variety of colors in those
    older issues (and some horrid artwork as well ;-)

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From: richard@skaro.demon.co.uk (Richard Develyn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Time Lord RPG
Date: 23 Jan 1993 06:20:06 -0600
Organization: skaro
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

If anybody would like to talk to the author of this game, Ian Marsh 
can be found at:

100025.561@compuserve.com

This information is passed on with his consent. I don't believe he has 
access to this newsgroup so chatter will have to be via email only.

Richard Develyn
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:40:34 -0500 
From: Maulik Harish Shah <msb0+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Companions

The companion in "The Doomsday Weapon" (or "Space Colony") was Jo Grant.


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From: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Reversing Polarity of the Neutron Flow
Date: 21 Jan 1993 12:35:31 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Reply-To: keeper@deeptht.armory.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1jm052INNkgh@ceres.kingston.ac.uk> is_b420@ceres.kingston.ac.uk (Brendan Rooney) writes:
>Wasn't this used a lot in the Pertwee era ?

No.

He reversed the polarity of lots of things, but as far as I can recall
from my own memory of the show and of the last time this subject was
hashed out on this newsgroup, it only was said once in the Pertwee era,
then again in T5D.

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