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From: djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,rec.music.makers
Subject: Advice Sought: Transferring audio to CD.
Date: 21 Jan 93 08:59:39 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Joint European Torus


I am looking for advice regarding transfer of music to conventional
audio CD.   I would be grateful for any *E-MAIL* responses, as our newsfeed
is still broken!  (Naturally, I will post a summary of replies in case anyone
else is interested).

The source material is still on multi-track, I will be mixing down next
week.  Am I correct in assuming that the DAT master should be recorded
at 44.1kHz and not at the more usual 48kHz?  What sort of test tones will
be expected to be on the DAT?  Would the transfer to CD use the ID markers
on the DAT to build an index, or is this a separate process?

Can anyone recommend specific CD mastering and pressing plants?  How much
should it cost (say, pressing runs of 200)?

Thanks in advance for any E-MAIL help...
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From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Newsgroup uk.pubs ??
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:31:03 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Distribution: uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1993Jan22.143152.28782@shlv2.co.uk>, kevinh@shlv2.co.uk (Kevin Harkin) writes:

|> drinkers. ( whiskey & wine ??? sounds like the name of a song!!!).

 Red wine & whiskey, Katrina & the Waves?

	W.

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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Apple StyleWriter cartridge, #15 postage paid
Reply-To: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Lloyd Wood)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 12:03:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.170520.24769@tadtec.uucp> Tim Steele <tjfs@tadtec.co.uk> writes:
>Brand new, no longer required since I bought a StyleWriter II.
>
>Please mail me if interested.
>
>Tim

When my local applecentre is selling them for thirteen quid, and the local
university campus computer centre is selling them for even less?

No way.

L.

Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: Telly Addicts
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Distribution: uk
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:59:59 GMT

In article <30742@castle.ed.ac.uk> eanv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Woods) writes:
>>>According to a survey in this week's Radio Times, 15% of those
>>>questioned wouldn't give up watching TV in exchange for a million
>>>pounds.
>>>
>>>Sad, isn't it?
>
>>Not really. If they can't make balanced judgements, they are probably
>>best left in front of the Square-Faced Nanny. Nicely drugged with
>>Inspector Morse and Clio adverts.
>
>I find this reassuring.  Whilst I might be persuaded to part from the
>box for #1M, there are some other activities I wouldn't swap for the
>aforementioned cash.  Whatever you think about the taste of the 15%,
>at least it means that (to some people at least) money isn't
>everything.

The report in the paper also mentions that two-thirds of those
surveyed said they wouldn't give up TV for 10000 pounds (I'm not
getting into the argument about how to write "pounds"!) and one-third
wouldn't for 100000 pounds.  Money may not be everything for these
people, but it seems that TV is...

(Of course, if someone offered me a similar sum of money to give
up Radio 4 I might think rather more carefully...)

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From: zlsiimw@info.mcc.ac.uk (Mark Whidby)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Newsgroup uk.pubs ??
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:01:01 GMT
Reply-To: M.Whidby@mcc.ac.uk
Distribution: uk
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <dhs.727616891@issun3>, dhs@is.city.ac.uk (David Sheryn) writes:
|> Sounds like a good scheme; but I'd vote for uk.pubs so that us malt whisky
|> drinkers get a look in as well...

Yeah, me too. But with the price of malt whisky in pubs I suggest uk.drink
(as did someone else). BTW, there is already rec.food.drink.
-- 
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Mark Whidby, Distributed Systems, Manchester Computing Centre
From: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Symbol for pound sterling
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:42:01 GMT
Reply-To: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson)
Distribution: uk
Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, UK

In article <RkNqXB4w165w@mantis.co.uk> tony@mantis.co.uk (Tony Lezard) writes:
>Just come up with a new idea for the sterling symbol: "00p", as in
>"I'll sell you that fish for 1000p".

In the early eighties, I had (somewhat unofficial) access to the
Manchester University Multics system, with a BBS system on it (can't
recall the name).

I recall that the convention for money was "kp" for "kilopence", where
1kp was ten pounds sterling.  So a new car costs about 500kp, a decent
CD player about 20kp.  The symbol "Mp" (megapence) was also used for
10,000 pounds sterling (e.g "My house cost 10Mp"), but this usage was
not common among the student population.

Paul.
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From: d_smith@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Dylan Smith)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Wasted power, or is it?
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:51:56 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <1993Jan21.090351.11370@edscom.demon.co.uk> rpt@edscom.demon.co.uk (Richard Tomlinson) writes:
>>
>>Energy flows in. Energy flows out. It can't stay in the device and it
>>certainly isn't going back to the national grid!
>
>If the device were to rise against gravity, it would be storing potential
>energy available for release later. So it can stay in the device.

It's exceedingly unlikely that a tv set on standby would do this, though.
Some energy is spent producing light (the red LED on the front), and the
rest ends up eventually as heat.


-- 
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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: Tim Steele <tjfs@tadtec.co.uk>
Subject: Okay, #10 postage paid!
Organization: Tadpole Technology plc
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:33:47 GMT
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This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
Xref: sparky uk.misc:3097 alt.conspiracy:14479
From: simon@visionware.co.uk (Simon Taylor)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Camilla-gate
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:15:24 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: VisionWare Ltd., Leeds, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes:
: In article <ANDREASF.93Jan20093124@alpha.dcs.rhbnc.ac.uk> andreasf@dcs.rhbnc.ac.uk (Andreas Fuchsberger) writes:
:    GSM, the new digital (pcm) mobile phone standard, that is
:    all-singing-all-dancing-will-even-support-european-wide-roaming, has at
:    its lowest level a stream cipher were the keys are changed every 5
:    seconds or so, and is available now from operators. But of course
:    it only use encryption between the handset and the base station.
: 
: This'll probably be good enough to deter the amateur eavesdropper, but
: isn't the sort of thing that'll cause sleepless nights to the likes of
: GCHQ or the NSA.

	I doubt it since the government aren't going to allow any system
	to be used in the public sector that cannot be cracked by the 
	above agencies.

	An interesting article in this weeks New Scientist actually makes
	this point during a discussion of a new encryption system
	being tested by Vodaphone.  The system does not require a
	descrambler at the non-mobile end of the conversation since the
	scrambling and descrambling occurs just at the mobile and the
	base station.  This is fine unless you make a call to another
	mobile which doesn't have the additional hardware required,
	in which case the call is transmitted in clear to and from the
	unequiped party.  The additional cost was around #600 for the
	hardware and approx double the current call charges.

	This of course only prevents radio interception you can still
	intercept the call on the conventional telephone network :-(

	Simon
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000?
Organization: Fifth Column, Coventry, UK
Distribution: uk
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:31:33 GMT

In article <C17qus.G48@dcs.ed.ac.uk> eo@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Emma Osman) writes:
>
>Peter Allott (peter@serv2.essex.ac.uk) wrote:
>: Will there be a 29 Feb 2000?
>Am I going mad, or did we have this exact same discussion
>just a couple of months ago??

Yes we did, only I'm not going to fall into the same trap twice 8@)...

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From: jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Camilla-gate
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:38:47 GMT
	<1993Jan25.103657.6071@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
	<JIM.93Jan25163902@hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk> <C1F646.6wC@fulcrum.co.uk>
Distribution: uk
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
In-reply-to: igb@fulcrum.co.uk's message of 25 Jan 93 17:04:54 GMT

In article <C1F646.6wC@fulcrum.co.uk> igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:

   In article <JIM.93Jan25163902@hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk> jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes:
   > conversation from interception by GCHQ or NSA. It would be reasonable
   > to assume that the resources of these organisations are capable of
   > breaking ANY encryption system available for public use. [If not, what

   One Time Pads.  All you need is a good source of random bits --- I'm
   told that digitising the inter-station noise from an FM tuner and using
   the bottom bit of each sample is a good bet.  Since replacing the bottom
   bit of each sample in an SPDIF bit-stream is not merely easy, but may
   actually IMPROVE the sound (*) you can simply send DAT tapes of
   home-recorded music to transmit the keys, and then later the data.

Hmmm. Yes, one-time pads are secure provided they aren't re-used, the
key is non-repeating and is truly random. The bit stream from a DAT or
CD player might not be random enough, even if you add the 'dithering'
you suggest. Your idea about FM radio wouldn't work if the sender and
receiver weren't within the range of the same transmitter(s). It's
also impractical for the average punter to use one-time pads in the
way you suggest for protecting telephone conversations (which is where
this thread originally started).

		Jim
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: jim@edscom.demon.co.uk (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re: Telly Addicts
X-Disclaimer: #include <std/witty/disclaimer.h>
Reply-To: Jim Thomas <jthomas@edscom.demon.co.uk>
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
Distribution: uk
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:39:36 GMT

>>>>> On Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:39:05 GMT, davidw@fulcrum.co.uk (David Wilkinson) said:


>> Heard on "Today" on Radio 4 this morning...

>> According to a survey in this week's Radio Times, 15% of those
>> questioned wouldn't give up watching TV in exchange for a million
>> pounds.


>> Sad, isn't it?

Whats sad about this. I'm pleased to hear that people do not put money
above all else in their lives. Very encouraging.


--
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jim@edscom.demon.co.uk   Tel:  +44 908 284522
Opinions expressed are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer.
From: jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Those inscrutable cigarette adverts
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:48:15 GMT
	<C1Eyrr.4wn@fulcrum.co.uk>
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
In-reply-to: igb@fulcrum.co.uk's message of 25 Jan 93 14:26:15 GMT

In article <C1Eyrr.4wn@fulcrum.co.uk> igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:

   I'm a strong supporter of people smoking.  Lots and lots of untipped
   extra strong, for preference.  Even if the government collected far less
   duty than they do, smoking will still reduce the country's social
   security burden.

But what about the burden on the health service while these smokers
live? What if budgets are overspent treating these silly people and
non-smokers can't get treated properly as a result?

And while these smokers are busy killing themselves, what about the
rest of the population who have to put up with cigarette smoke, fag
ends and the fire risks? How much of the Fire Brigade's workload is
caused by dropped cigarretes?

		Jim
From: eanv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Woods)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Telly Addicts
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:02:43 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Edinburgh University

>>According to a survey in this week's Radio Times, 15% of those
>>questioned wouldn't give up watching TV in exchange for a million
>>pounds.
>>
>>Sad, isn't it?

>Not really. If they can't make balanced judgements, they are probably
>best left in front of the Square-Faced Nanny. Nicely drugged with
>Inspector Morse and Clio adverts.

I find this reassuring.  Whilst I might be persuaded to part from the
box for #1M, there are some other activities I wouldn't swap for the
aforementioned cash.  Whatever you think about the taste of the 15%,
at least it means that (to some people at least) money isn't
everything.

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Xref: sparky uk.misc:3072 rec.arts.tv.uk:7502
From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Papa! Nicole! (was Re: Ariston music for TV Advert)
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:51:03 GMT
	<C0wIuo.BBD@cck.coventry.ac.uk> <1993Jan19.131224.3485@cs.hw.ac.uk>
	<7617@sersun1.essex.ac.uk>
Distribution: uk
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: alan@essex.ac.uk [Alan M Stanier]'s message of 19 Jan 93 18:46:42 GMT

In article <7617@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> alan@essex.ac.uk [Alan M Stanier] writes:
| Also sprach adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
| }That, I believe, was the first in the series.  The second one seemed to say
| }that a motor-bike is better than their car, because Papa was happy to lend
| }the latter to Nicole's boy-friend so that Papa could then use boy-friend's
| }motor-bike.
|
| The curious feature of that particular advert was that Nicole & boyfriend
| drive off in the car, and shortly afterwards are passed by Papa, who had
| started from the same place, on the motorbike going in the opposite direction.
|
| Clearly one or other of the drivers (and possibly both) had chosen to
| drive the long way. Why? 
|
| Buy a Clio and have your brain soften?

I suspect it was Papa who had gone round the long way. That bike looked
like it could go a hell of a lot faster than any Clio. Persumably when
they met he was going slow because all that racing had used up all the
petrol.

--
Simon Oke, 3rd year Computer Science
undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.
From: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Camilla-gate
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:15:14 GMT
Reply-To: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.

In article <30567@castle.ed.ac.uk> cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
>It is impossible to underestimate the technical ignorance and
>scientific naivete of our leaders.

	My head is spinning.  Do you *really* mean that our leaders are
incredibly knowledgeable and sophisticated?  Or did you intend to write
that it's easy to overestimate their knowledge and sophistication?  [I
have trouble with "No head injury is too trivial to be ignored" as well.]

-- 
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anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: potter@movies.enet.dec.com (Alan T Potter)
Subject: Amateur drama groups in Edinburgh sought
Organisation: VMS Engineering, DEC, Scotland
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:05:22 GMT

Summary
I am looking for a good amateur music & drama group in the Edinburgh area

Long winded version (with moan)
Can anyone please recommend a good amateur music & drama group in the Edinburgh
area?  I am looking for a group which performs musicals, be they G&S, Broadway
or West End shows.  The major criteria are that they are musically good and do
not allow smoking in the rehearsal hall.

The club that I am currently in (and I shan't name it) fails in both these
counts.

Thanks for any replies (useful ones anyway)

regards,
/Alan

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| NTS: GM7GLJ@GB7EDN.#77.GBR.EU |  VMS Engineering, Livingston, UK  EH54 6AG  |
+------------- The bridge is crossed, so stand and watch it burn -------------+
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Newsgroup uk.pubs ??
Reply-To: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Lloyd Wood)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Distribution: uk
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 12:05:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.143152.28782@shlv2.co.uk> kevinh@shlv2.co.uk (Kevin Harkin) writes:
>In article <dhs.727616891@issun3> dhs@is.city.ac.uk (David Sheryn) writes:
>>
>>
>>Sounds like a good scheme; but I'd vote for uk.pubs so that us malt whisky
>>drinkers get a look in as well...
>>
>>David
>
>By the same token, I would also vote for uk.pubs for us whiskey and wine
>drinkers. ( whiskey & wine ??? sounds like the name of a song!!!).
>
>    -K.

by Lloyd Cole.......

L.
From: simpsong@dns0.bham.ac.uk (Glyn Simpson)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Credit cards - Visa vs. MasterCard (aka Access)
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:22:10 GMT
Reply-To: G.Simpson@bham.ac.uk
Organization: The University of Birmingham, England
NNTP-Posting-Host: dns0.bham.ac.uk
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Darren P. Ingram (dingram@dims.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> In article <1993Jan25.092946.26450@cs.hw.ac.uk> pjbk@cs.hw.ac.uk writes:

> !I have experienced having my VISA refused in Germany (West), but Access
> !accepted at the same hotel.  I carrry one of each sort of card (both fee
> !free) to guard against this possibility.

> I use First Direct for Visa, and the operator believes that they will not be
> introducing a Mastercard. Can you recommend a fee-free Mastercard for the odd
> time my FD-V may be refused?

My Midlands Arts card is fee free - application forms can be obtained from
theatres and other cultural centres - they even give money to Art-type
groups (hence the name). Contact Midland bank if you cant find an application
form.

I got my application at Birmingham Town Hall a couple of years ago, and the 
donations are made to the CBSO.

--
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University of Birmingham        //  Fax:   +44 (0) 21 414 3952
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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: Tim Steele <tjfs@tadtec.co.uk>
Subject: FOR SALE: Apple StyleWriter cartridge, #15 postage paid
Organization: Tadpole Technology plc
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:05:20 GMT
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Brand new, no longer required since I bought a StyleWriter II.

Please mail me if interested.

Tim
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: ceri@brite.demon.co.uk (Ceri Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Those inscrutable cigarette adverts
Reply-To: ceri@brite.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.30 $
Organization: Brite Voice Systems Group Ltd.
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 15:13:23 +0000

In article <1993Jan15.085904.25182@infodev.cam.ac.uk> Bernie.Jones@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
> In article <21021@acorn.co.uk> agodwin@acorn.co.uk (Adrian Godwin) writes:
  [deleted sorry]
> 
> This reminds me of when I went down to visit a friend at Southampton Uni.
> In the Student shop there they sell a brand of cigarettes called, quite
> simply "Death". They come in a black box with Skulls and Crossbones all
> 'round it, covered in messages like "Smoking kills you", "If you smoke, 
> give up; if not, don't start!"
> 
> Strikes me as being quite a neat product - however, I have yet to see
> them anywhere other than Southampton. Anyone else run across these, or
> know who makes 'em? (And, more to the point, why?)
> 
> Bernie

Death cigarettes also give a donation to the cancer research fund for every 
packet sold, even more ironic ?

Ceri

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Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: James Petts <pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Camilla-gate
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:51:36 GMT

In article <C19ouu.74v@exnet.co.uk> Damon, dhd@exnet.co.uk writes:
>In the US the FBI are trying to make it illegal to encrypt in any
effective
>way, and for example, phone companies will be fined something like
US$1000 per
>line per day that the FBI can't decrypt.

There is also a bill under discussion which would make it mandatory to 
fit all telecomms apparatus with connection for, or inbuilt, tapping 
devices. I suppose it's the logical progression of free speech: the NSA 
should be able to eavesdrop for free ;-)

 ===> James Petts <===

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From: pjbk@cs.hw.ac.uk (Peter JB King)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Credit cards - Visa vs. MasterCard (aka Access)
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:29:46 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In the past I have experienced this problem in Britain, when the cards
were more closely tied to banks, so you needed a Barclay's account (if
you were a shop/restaurant etc) to pay in your slips to.  This is not so
much of a problem now, since most banks support both  sorts of card!

I have experienced having my VISA refused in Germany (West), but Access
accepted at the same hotel.  I carrry one of each sort of card (both fee
free) to guard against this possibility.

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