From: zbig@wariat.org (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik)
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Followup-To: comp.mail.misc
Reply-To: zbig@wariat.org (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik)
Organization: Akademia Pana Kleksa, Public Access Uni* Site
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:25:09 GMT

As quoted from <Bz4xxE.7M1@cs.psu.edu> by fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner):

And I will support Bill quite strongly. 

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> In article <eBmLVB4w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
> |In particular, I was referring to sites that want Internet
> |connectivity, and furthermore accept requests for UUCP connections from
> |those who cannot afford to be directly on the Internet, yet refuse to accept
> |that it is they (each and every sysadmin of each and every Internet site),
> |who should make email to and from their UUCP friends WORK.


What ?  Are you saying that cuz I am on internet, I should bother
about bozoo 2 hops from me, who is using some weirdo setup with
old data ??? 

> 
> Ok, wait, let me get this straight.  You say that site foo.bar.edu accepts
> a UUCP connection to your site, and therefore that makes me, at
> cmf.nrl.navy.mil, responsible for being able to get mail to you?  Uh-uh.
> If you want to look like part of the Internet, then get a domain name.  If
> you don't want to play by the (easy and free) rules, then don't complain
> that the game's no fun.
> 

Bill is right. I am on Internet; I do feed 30+ uucp only sites; I
do gateway mail for them. Each of the sites is encouraged to use
FQDN in my domain; I do keep MX record for them, and I do maintain
it. 



> |There ought to be a universally available (easily accessible to both UUCP
> |and Internet connected sites) means of determining which systems are willing
> |to provide gateway services between the Internet and the "UUCP-net".
> 

Guys in Ohio started it, using relay approach - each site which
gateways mail, is using as an alias OARnet-relay; thus, sites
running pathalias will find always nearest gateway. 

> (This, btw, is the biggest problem with the UUCP maps.  Some of the
> data is so ancient that there's no way it's current.  Not usually a
> problem with the DNS; since the DNS is a distributed database, you can
> be easily in charge of your little section, as opposed to having to
> mail your database updates to central site X.)

Point well taken. 


> |Even so, the MX system could soon be overwhelmed by the load of systems
> |joining one domain or another.
> 
> The DNS is a distributed, scalable database.  The UUCP maps are significantly
> more likely to get overwhelmed by numbers of systems than the DNS is.
> 


Well, full run of pathalias and someadditional massaging I perform
on pathalias database to shorten routing over Internet, on 486/33
machine with 16MB takes... an hour. Pathalias grows up to 1MB
size in memory. It is a huge load. On the other side, I do run
primary namesrever for my domain; I do not feel the load of it. 

> |Hence my earlier comments on an apparent lack of responsibility.
> |Internet sysadmins have not yet been convinced that proper routing of
> |email is a matter of responsible networking, or they would surely take it
> |upon themselves to set up sites (which already do name service resolution)
> |to also perform pathalias routing.

I belive you are reversing order; Internet sites are quite happy
with themselves; it is uucp-only sites who want to get quicker
mail delivery, and who should catch on. 

> 
> Why not register in the .US domain?  It's free, easy, and will let you get
> E-Mail from the Internet with no trouble.  The .UUCP pseudo-domain is an
> old hack that should have disappeared years ago.  That's the problem with
> "transitionary" hacks, though - they never go away...
> 
>   Bill

Correct. Luckilly, there is more and more domain parks growing up,
with one site acting as gateway. At least that is what is
happening in Cleveland. 


regards, 
and for every UUCp-addicted site: make  your own life easier; 
get a friend and register !

_zjt
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