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From: cs65xaq@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Elvis2?)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: Three Studies on Lander's Effects on San Andreas
Date: 21 Nov 92 07:27:27 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Sorry to ask, but what's landers? I got context evidence that it
refers to the quakes in mid-1992 in the big bear area?
Is that right? if not, WHAT is landers?
Sorry, but I don't read the paper, and my only tv watching has been
reduced to cheers & the simpsons--no news.
bye
From: cs65xaq@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Elvis)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: San Francisco Earthquake 89
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:41:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Interestingly enough, your feeling quakes as you nod off around
4:30-5:00 p.m. may not be a coincedince. The largest probability of
earthquakes (please correct me if I misquote fact, or if this is
unproven---all you geologists out there)
is when the sun and the moon are re-inforcing each other's pull on
the earth. This happens at the new moon (or is it the full moon? or
both perhaps?--I think it's both) for a given month.  And its at
high tide (or is it low tide? or both perhaps? --I think it's both)
So this is dusk and dawn (I know its dusk *AND* dawn)
This means, that like the 5:04 p.m. quake, many quakes happen in
this time---interesting, eh?
-allan c
From: bjones@novax.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Alamo, Ca EQ's & conjugate faults
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:32:22 GMT

I live in Alamo Calif. There is an interesting fault structure in our area
that is called a conjugate fault. It runs east west, linking the southern end of
the Concord fault and the northern end of the Calaveras fault (as I understand
it). We lived through approx. 600 earthquakes and aftershocks over about a 
3 month period about a year or so ago.These EQ's would wake us up several 
times a night. They were very nerve racking to say the least. Several homes in
our area did receive substantial damage in the early initial shocks. These 
EQs were weird in that they were shallow and you could always hear them before
you felt them. There would be a low frequency boom then a few seconds later you
felt the shock wave. The initial shocks were very violent due to the shallow 
depth I guess. Does anyone know more about this fault? I understand there was
new instrumentation placed in the area to gather more info on this fault zone.
I read somewhere that the EQ cycle is on the order of every 8-12 years.

Bob Jones

Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: pfussell@borland.com (PaulFussell)
Subject: Re: San Francisco Earthquake 89
Originator: pfussell@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:30:42 GMT

Accompanying me to Atascadero were two elderly aunts, one of whom left
her husband behind in Santa Cruz, and the other of whom lived in a trailer in
Scotts Valley. Both were panicked. They tried calling, but nothing was
getting through. Seemed to me it was time to go home.

I talked them into getting into the car. ("What if we can't get through?"
one complained. "We'll turn around and come back," I answered.) The drive
back seemed to take forever, especially because one aunt kept spinning
out fantasies about how bad it could be, and then starting to panic all
over again. We finally got to Santa Cruz county, easy to identify because 
it was completely blacked out. Highway 1 was blocked (thank goodness--
just past the blockage a bridge had collapsed and would have been disastrous 
to come on in the dark) and the Highway Patrol was redirecting traffic into 
Watsonville. 

The city looked like a war zone. Buildings were collapsed, fires were
burning here and there, all lights were out, people were all over the 
place, rubble was in the streets, and the only way through it all was 
a circuitous route that wound around the rubble and fires. To add to
the hazards, we almost got hit crossing an intersection when a low rider 
ran a stop sign at high speed. Seemed like the social structure
had crumbled along with the buildings--who ever heard of a speeding
low rider? :-)

Anyway, the rest was anticlimactic--the one aunt's husband was fine (but
worried as hell and happy to see his wife); the other aunt's trailer
rode out the tremor without structural damage (although just about everything
inside was jumbled up or broken on the floor); and my place in Scotts
Valley just suffered cracks in the wallboard and the usual assortment
of broken glasses and dishes. 

The real tragedy on this side of the hill was Santa Cruz--the Pacific 
Garden mall was gone, several people were dead, and hundreds were homeless.
It didn't seem that the city I loved would ever be the same place again.
And it isn't. It's three years later, and the downtown mall is just
starting to get rebuilt. The last of the pavilions that housed most
of the mall businesses came down this week, three years after these
temporary structures went up with volunteer labor. Who ever thought at
the time that these glorified tents would be up that long, or that
some businesses still wouldn't be able to find space on the mall three
years later?
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: Three Studies on Lander's Effects on San Andreas
Date: 24 Nov 1992 03:36:32 GMT
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu
Summary: AGU abstracts

In article <3804@news.cerf.net> pete@ent-img.com (Pete Carah) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.165013.24849@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM
(Richard Ottolini) writes:
>>There are over a hundred papers on Landers at the AGU and the organization
>>is pretty good at issuing press releases.
>
>How long does it take for the proceedings to end up in decent univ libraries
>(e.g. Caltech and UCLA, which are my most reachable)?

If those libraries are like the Earth Sciences library at
Stanford, journals go on the shelf in the "current
periodicals" section as soon as they arrive in the mail.

If there's a university-wide library bureaucracy that has
to be traversed first, it will take longer.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
From: cs65xaq@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Elvis)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: San Francisco Earthquake 89
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:36:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1dsdflINNj1h@male.EBay.Sun.COM> 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon) writes:
>I want to know what you were doing when the earthquake hit 
>
>tell me what you were doing and where were you?

Is this a message meant for everybody?
I was in sunnyvale, just south-east of you(didn't I see you're in
mountain view?)
for those who don't know, this is silicon valley, many miles from
the epicenter south, and the SF & oakland devistation north.
It was distressing to me, a 15-year old...I was a sophomore in high
school...I was just leaving a room when it hit, so I just stayed
in the doorway...I was afraid our house was gonna fall in from after
shocks, because I didn't know how serious the earthquake was. There
was no structural damage to our house whatsoever, which is now a big
selling point since we're trying to unload that house---anyway,
we talked to our neighbors, made sure no one was hurt---
my father works in san leandro and was stuck in traffic
(for those who know the area, that day he chose to take 237, not the
dumbarton!!!)
For those who don't know the area, San leandro is just south of
oakland, but since we live further south, there was no chance
of my father being on the cypress structure. 
I don't know if we over-reacted or not. We moved my bed away from my
window, in case it shattered in the middle of the night---> it
didn't
we turned off our gas and electricity in case there was a
leak--->there wasn't
this left us with cold water for days.
I could go on all day, but I'm spending $$$$s on this account, where
$400 must last me 'till december
There was basically no damage or injuries, in my area, or all of
sunnyvale I believe (I mean no INJURIES in sunnyvale)
we had broken dishes (a few) and sugar on the groud.
(groud)
ARGH
ground
there was water in the streets from all the swimming pool water.
and our nerves were rattled for days and days.
but that's about it.
how about other people's stories?
bye
-allan c.
(p.s. my dad still works in San leandro, still commutes, and still
takes 237!)
From: steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: San Francisco Earthquake 89
Date: 19 Nov 1992 07:59:52 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: taal.stanford.edu

A couple quick stories from my experience, including one near tragedy 
and one bit of humor.

I lived in a house in Palo Alto with friends, a couple and their
two children (a 2 year old and a 2 month old at the time). But
at the time, I was housesitting for some neighbors who were away,
so my friends had temporarily put the 2 month old's crib in my room. 
The only damage in the house was from a fairly large glass-framed picture
that fell into the crib, shattering. Jeffrey had been in 
there napping about a half hour earlier. It was my fault that
the picture wasn't secured to the wall better. It wasn't very close to 
my bed, and even though it was glass, it wasn't all that heavy. So I
hadn't worried about it. It was almost a very costly mistake.

The humorous side comes from friend Scott (the father of the kids)
who works at Apple. At Apple, it is common for people to have all
sorts of bizarre objects decorating their offices, perched on top
of the walls between cubicles. When the earthquake happened, Scott
moved away from his window, toward the center of the building. When
the shaking stopped, he passed by his desk on his way out of the
building. He wondered why his blinds were still flapping, then
realized that his window had popped out. He also noticed a large
beach ball he had put on top of a partition wasn't there. When he
got out of the building and made it to his car, which happened to
be parked just below his office, the beach ball was there on
the ground. So he put it in his car and headed home. 

I was at Stanford on the 4th floor of the earth sciences building
during the quake. The sound the building made as it shook was
frightening, a rumbling or grinding sound. Outside, I headed
for home, thinking of Margaret and the kids, and knowing that
Scott was much farther away than I was. (And besides, we were
told not to go back into the building until it was checked).
Coming around the corner, the sight of Margaret and the kids safe
on the sidewalk was a big relief. Alan, the two year old,
recounted his experience for me: "Earthquake goes shake, shake
shake. Alan sits on curb." (as his mother had told him to do).
They had been outside. Scott got home about two hours
later (cracks in 280 had forced everyone to drive around on
the shoulder in one place). We scavenged among the kids' toys for 
batteries for my portable TV and got it working, saw the sad 
pictures coming in from around the bay, and thought of our own
close call.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Steve Cole  (steve@sep.stanford.edu, apple!sep!steve)
Department of Geophysics, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305
From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: HAYWARD FAULT????
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:45:14 GMT

In article <41246@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, cs65xaq@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Elvis) writes:
> I have a question for anyone out there...I know there are certain
> tendancies for earthquakes to occur at certain times.

No, there aren't.  This has been shown by several researchers.

> For instance, when the sun and moon are in sync so they are actually
> re-inforcing each others' pull on the earth.

This in particular has been disproved as a quake trigger.  The physical
reason why this is not a good trigger is simple - this is a long-wavelength
stress effect (the wavelength is half the circumference of the earth).
This means that it cannot produce a differential stress - instead it
affects both sides of the fault the same way and neither encourages
nor discourages slip.  The stress involved is also quite small, many effects
on earth are much larger.

> I also know that as far back as history goes, almost without fail
> there has been a big quke onthe hayward fault 3 years after a san
> andreas (bay area section) quake---any word of that theory being

I have never heard of this theory.  Also, there are only a handful of
historic events on the San Andreas, so the statistics of this would be
pretty lousy.

> To the person who felt the loma prieta quake in L.A.:
> I felt the late june- L.A. quake (The day I chose to stay up all
> night, That happened at 5ish a.m.!)
> and I was in the SF bay area!
> So---this is interesting. Anyone who says an earthquake can't move
> over 400+ miles is very wrong! :)

No one has ever claimed this.  The 1811/1812 New Madrid quakes were felt
from Quebec to Florida and from the Rockies to Boston.  Quakes in CA don't come
close to this in terms of distance over which they can be felt.  The reason
is the difference in the crustal structure.  CA's crust is all chewed up,
warm and soft due to all the active tectonics.  Such material doesn't
propagate waves very well.  The eastern US, however has a solid, hard, cold
crust that propagates waves with very little energy loss.  Nevertheless,
CA quakes are commonly felt at a distance of 400 km when they are in the
neighborhood of M7 as these two quakes were.  Wait for the 8.3 - it will be
felt over an even wider area.


--
Richard Stead
Center for Seismic Studies
Arlington, VA
stead@seismo.css.gov
From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: San Francisco Earthquake 89
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:58:52 GMT

In article <41245@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, cs65xaq@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Elvis) writes:
> Interestingly enough, your feeling quakes as you nod off around
> 4:30-5:00 p.m. may not be a coincedince. The largest probability of
> earthquakes (please correct me if I misquote fact, or if this is
> unproven---all you geologists out there)

Ok.

> is when the sun and the moon are re-inforcing each other's pull on
> the earth. This happens at the new moon (or is it the full moon? or
> both perhaps?--I think it's both) for a given month.  And its at
> high tide (or is it low tide? or both perhaps? --I think it's both)
> So this is dusk and dawn (I know its dusk *AND* dawn)

This is indeed wrong.  There is no favored time for quakes, and tides have
been disproven to have any influence - they are just too small an effect.
(they have been disproven by taking extensive catalogs of quakes, then
looking for any clustering around the time intervals of all principal
orbital elements - no such clustering has been found).

Also, your understanding of tides needs some revision - yes, when the sun
and moon are in line with the earth (twice a month - both new and full moon),
the tidal effects are reinforced.  However, high tide represents one of
two effects - the moon pulling directly on the water closest to it, or the
moon not pulling so much on the water directly opposite it.  So high tide
at new or full moon occurs at noon and midnight.  But not quite.  Since
the tides are essentially very long period shallow water waves in the oceans,
they experience drag.  Thus the tides lag behind the moon a bit.  This also
means that the moon gets to pull on the oceans at an angle, thus directly
opposing the drag, rather than just lifting the water.  Anyway dawn and dusk
would be low tide for a full or new moon.  dawn and dusk would be high tide
at the half moon (again, not quite).

The tides in the solid earth (the solid earth tide is about 1 foot - that
may seem like a lot until you think about the earth's diameter which is
42 million feet.  That one foot tide is the result of the moon's gravity
acting on the entire thickness of the earth) do not lag like the ocean
tides do.


--
Richard Stead
Center for Seismic Studies
Arlington, VA
stead@seismo.css.gov
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Newsgroups: ca.wanted,comp.sys.mac.games,misc.forsale
Subject: Re: WHICH VIDEO GAME SYSTEM TO BUY? (SEGA GENESIS, SUPER NES,....)
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:19:34 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <19921123175539CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>, CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU writes:
> In article <1992Nov22.090609.4140@pride386.PP.COM>,
> terry@pride386.PP.COM (Terry Lyons) writes:
> 
> >hmm hint hint ... we are already in the final stages of tool
> >design for the new snes CD game rental storage cases ... seems
> >a litle late for xmas but maybe by april  .. and you din't read
> >this now did you ;-)

Too late.  :-)  However, I don't think you should hurry up with those
storage cases, as the official line from Nintendo Japan is that the
SNES CD-ROM won't come out any time before next summer.

> Has anyone else played with the Genesis CD ROM games? Impressive,
> which Sega would comeup with an interface for the CD ROM drive to
> the Mac (that way we don't need multiple drives).

I have heard none of the sort, unfortunately.

However, I HAVE seen a SCSI adapter which will let a Mac connect to a
Turbo Duo CD-ROM.  What I saw in the NEC stall at the Summer '92 CES was
some chips and wires on a breadboard, but it managed to run a graphics
program on a IIci which offloaded images from the CD-ROM.
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpm.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: smyer@usc.edu (Roxane Smyer)
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
Subject: USC vs. Notre Dame (11/28/92) tickets for sale
Date: 20 Nov 1992 13:23:04 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: la
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu



Hello,

I have two tickets to the USC/Notre Dame football game that I will be unable
to use.  The seats are in the east end-zone (Section 1, Row 116, Seats 114-5).
The game starts at 5:00 and will be played at the Los Angeles Coliseum. I am
asking the face value of the tickets, $27.00 each.  Please respond via
e-mail (smyer@usc.edu) or call 213-740-5928.

Thanks,
From: hongyu@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Hong-yu Shih)
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
Subject: Mac games for sale
Keywords: king's Quest III, V, RoboSport, SimAnt, RailRoad Tycoon, Omega
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:25:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I have many games want to sell.
Railroad Tycoon--$25
King'QuestIII----$15
king'sQuest v----$25
Omega------------$15
SimAnt(color)----$25
RoboSoprt--------$25
SimCity graphic set--$15 for each set
Most of the game with original box,manuals and registrationcard.
each order please+$2 for shipping. I would like to sell them in the price I list

If you want it, please email to      shih@cancer.rutgers.edu
From: steve_lemme@gateway.qm.apple.com (Steve Lemme)
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
Subject: Wanted Norelco Electric Shaver
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:43:38 GMT
Followup-To: ca.wanted
Organization: Apple Computer

Title sez it all my faithful Norelco Triple head shaver has died.
I would like to replace it with one you may no longer be using.

Thanks
Steve
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From: edwang@elst9.40 (Ed Wang)
Newsgroups: ca.wanted,rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: WANTED: TOYOTA SR5 4X4 ALUMINIUM WHEELS => CA$H
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:51:26 GMT
Reply-To: edwang@elst9.40
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

Hi TOYOTA SR5 4X4 owners in SF/SAN JOSE/BAY area,

	If you are considering upgrad your tires to 33" or for any reason you
	just want to sell your original Toyota aluminium wheels, please let me
	know. I want to buy them from you. 

	Please e-mail edwang@elst9.lsil.com or phone 408-433-7837

	I will pick them up anywhere in Bay area.
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
From: johnc@well.sf.ca.us (John Caspers)
Subject: Authors for Duch magazines
Keywords: magazine; VR; writers
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:26:33 GMT



We're publishing several magazines in Holland, including an experimental
magazine about virtual reality, cyberspace and the kind. We're looking for
writers who can write/have written articles about these subjects.
We're also publishing magazines on MS-DOS, Unix and programming.

Anyone interested? Please let us know via caspers@fwi.uva.nl or
johnc@well.sf.ca.us.

John Caspers
From: faustus@ygdrasil.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Wayne A. Christopher)
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
Subject: Re: HP LaserJet II or III
Date: 17 Nov 1992 08:15:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: ygdrasil.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov17.080055.1113938@zeus.calpoly.edu> schurchv@zeus.calpoly.edu writes:
> Have to buy a HP LaserJet printer soon and will entertain all models,

I'll bet Cindy Crawford would find an HP printer kind of boring...

Sorry...

	Wayne
From: hongyu@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Hong-yu Shih)
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
Subject: A-Train for Mac for sale
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:57:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

A-Train for Sale
My friend asked me to post this for him.

A-Train for Sale:
brand new, only be opened , no install, with all document, manuals and box.
I like to sell it for $36+ shipping ( I do not have time on it)
Please email to    chiu@mbcl.rutgers.edu
don't response to me!
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Subject: Wanted: Info on Celluar Phones
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:46:41 GMT

Please does anyone know about some good deals on cellaur phones?
and service and how the cost would be?
reply to markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com or post here.
From: hongyu@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Hong-yu Shih)
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
Subject: Mac Games for sale
Keywords: Mac games for sale
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:08:21 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I have many games want to sell.
Railroad Tycoon--$25
King'QuestIII----$15
king'sQuest v----$25
Omega------------$15
SimAnt(color)----$25
RoboSoprt--------$25
SimCity graphic set--$15 for each set
Most of the game with original box,manuals and registrationcard.
each order please+$2 for shipping. I would like to sell them in the price I list

If you want it, please email to      shih@cancer.rutgers.edu
From: schurchv@zeus.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
Subject: HP LaserJet II or III
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:00:55 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

Have to buy a HP LaserJet printer soon and will entertain all models,
except the IIIsi.  Please mail schurchv@nike.calpoly.edu to give prices.
Thanks.

steve
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
From: steve_lemme@gateway.qm.apple.com (Steve Lemme)
Subject: Powerbook 100 memory wanted
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:37:02 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer
Followup-To: ca.wanted

Want to upgrade a powerbook 100 from 2mb to 4mb anyone
have the memory for sale?
Thanks
Steve
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Subject: Re: wanted: air-ticket
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:54:15 GMT

I think he means Lax/ONT not ONA  (that's a diffent city!)
From: schurchv@zeus.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
Subject: HP IIP+
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:18:57 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

I would like to purchase a HP IIP+ as soon as possible.  The price range
I am looking for is around $500-$600.  Please respond to
schurchv@nike.calpoly.edu.  Thanks.

steve
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From: sgenchi@neptune.uucp (Agent 99)
Newsgroups: ca.wanted,oc.general,la.general
Subject: Roommate wanted in Newport Beach
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:33:33 GMT
Organization: CSLA

Roommate wanted:

Newport Beach, rent $400.00 + utilities.  Looking for a male. Available now.  
2 bd, 1 1/2 bath, some storage.

No kooks, deadbeats!!

for furhter info:

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home number: 714-645-3647