From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Shouldn't we feed the poor?
Summary: Suxanne, what universe do you live in? 
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 23:57:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.013826.8813@noao.edu> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
>From article <459n3yr.ray@netcom.com>, by ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer):
>> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes ...
>>>From article <hy4n7rm.ray@netcom.com>, by ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer):
>>>> Wealth is finite; there is not enough wealth in the world to save everybody
>>>> who can be saved.
>>>
>>>In fact, there is.   
>>>
>>>Simple food and water is not expensive unless people like you hoard it.
>> 
>> Pardon me, but you clearly know nothing about the exigencies of living
>> in the real world.  
>
>I know the real world far better than you do!  You live in nothing but 

Jeeeezus is gonna slap you silly for judging other people, Suxanne...

>a sick fantasy.

Actually, Suxanne, it seems that you're the one living in the fantasy world,
not Ray.  While it seems that your fantasy world is the nice, antiseptic
world of Mary Poppins, it's a fantasy world nonetheless...

>
>> First off, wealth is finite (wealth is not money).
>
>Garbage.  The creativity of human beings to supply their own needs and
>the needs of others is limitless.

Bullshit.

>
>> Second, nobody lives on just food and water 
>
>That certainly seems adequate to me!  That's what _I_ live on.   What
>do _you_ eat, rocks and nails?

If "you are what you eat", Suxanne, you must live on Vomit and Feces.

>
>> (as even a moments reflection
>> would have shown).  Third, medical care is expensive.  
>
>Which is very unnecessary.  It is far more expensive than it
>needs to be.

And why is that, Suxanne?  Maybe because doctors are "hoarding" their
medical knowledge?

>
>> Fourth, before
>> medical care the life expectancy of the average person was about 35.
>
>No, Ray, that was the average life expectancy before the modern age
>of the wonderous techniques of FARMING.   There is no reason we can't

Bullshit.  Modern farming techniques don't do shit against Rubella, Bubonic
Plague, Polio, Measles, Dyptheria(sp?), Yellow Fever, ...

>share our overabundant crops and farming techniques with the rest
>of the world.

Gee, Suxanne, and how do you propose to get the *WATER SUPPLIES* we have
over to Ethopia?  How do you propose to get the fertile soil we have over
to India?

>
>> Now, if you really think there is enough wealth to save everyone and
>> cure all disease, 
>
>We have the wealth NOW to feed everyone on the planet, AND care for
>babies in neonatal intensive care wards.   The age of AIDS has

Wrong, and wrong.

>taught us that no matter how many diseases we cure, there will
>always be newly invented ones right behind them.  But that is no
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Gee, Suxanne, who invented AIDS?  Was it: The Govenment?
                                          The Communists?
                                          The BioScientists?
                                          "God's cure for homosexuality"?
                                          The Gnomes Of Zurich?
                                          The Illumaniti?

>reason not to feed people NOW.   Unless of course you're hoarding
>resources.

Suxanne, do your family own a car?  You could have sent the money over
to help starving children in India instead of "hoarding those resources".
Do you own a TV?  You could have sent that money to South America to help
children instead of "hoarding resources".  In fact, you could have saved the
money you spent on your home computer (you have stated that you post from
home, you know) to send to Solmania.  If nothing else, "This message will
cost the net hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to send.  Are you sure
you want to do this?".  Think of all the money you could save the American
taxpayer by getting of the net.  Think of all the "resources" that you hoard
every time you post a message, and think of what those "resources" could do
to help the children in America who are starving, who are living on the
streets, who are growing up disadvantaged...

>
>> then I suggest you look to your own pocketbook and
>> see how far it goes.
>> 
>> In the future please spare me the mindless drivel and warrantless insults.
>
>If the shoe fits, you bet I will point it out!

As long as you're not looking at how well the shoe fits *YOURSELF*, that is.

Hypocrite.
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