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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:22:11 CDT
From:         "(Pam Ross)" <ROSSP@jade.bucknell.edu>
Subject:      Deutsches Bibliotheksinstitut

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Does anyone know if the databases produced by the Deutsches
Bibliotheksinstitut (DBI) are available via the Internet?  I'm particularly
interested in 5 databases:
1.  Niedersachsischer Zeitschriftennachweis
2.  Verbundkatalog Maschinenlesbarer Katalogdaten Deutscher Bibliotheken
3.  Gesamtverzeichnis der Kongressschriften
4.  Zeitschriftendatenbank
5.  Zeitschriftenkatalog der Bayerischen Staatsbibliothek, Munchen

Thanks,
Pam Ross
rossp@jade.bucknell.edu
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:36:45 CDT
From:         Jack Kessler <kessler@well.sf.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Bibliotheque National's telnet address

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Lou Rosenfeld,

I would be very grateful if you would send me any replies you receive
to your request for the Bibliotheque Nationale's telnet address.

So far as I know -- and I've been looking for some time -- the BN does
not have telnet access. Their GEAC opac -- which is excellent, by the
way -- was available for X.25, e.g. conventional telephone, dial-in for
a short time in June, but they ran into some difficulties and this was
disconnected. I was told last month that X.25 might be available again
by the first of the year. For telnet they would need an Internet node
and tcp/ip protocols, both of which are available in Paris, but neither
of which is likely to be implemented aytime soon at the BN, I should
think, for reasons both strategic and political. But all of this may be
false or, more likely I hope, out of date, so if you hear otherwise I
wish you'd let me know.

Thanks and best wishes,

Jack Kessler

kessler@well.sf.ca.us
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:45:52 CDT
From:         lou@engin.umich.edu
Subject:      Bibliotheque National's telnet address

Please reply directly to the author, thanks, Jill

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Would someone kindly send me the above?
Thanks very much!

--Lou Rosenfeld
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:37:23 CDT
From:         Melba Jesudason <JESUDA@macc.wisc.edu>
Subject:      Re: Electronic texts from Chadwyck-Healey

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Gladys Smiley Bell@kentvm,
We have a CD-ROM product called ETHNIC NEWSWATCH which covers 7 minority groups
and consists of newsletters and community newspaper coverage. We got it last
week and still experimenting with its use. If you want more information later
on, you can send an email to:
jesuda@macc.wisc.edu
Melba Jesudason-College Library-University of Wisconsin-Madison, WI 53706
(608)-263-7464
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:45:30 CDT
From:         Gregory.A.Finnegan@Dartmouth.EDU
Subject:      Re: MLA Access

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Re  Fran E. Rich's comments about post-DIALOG MLA options.  The locally
mounted site is Dartmouth College, shared w/ Middlebury College.  By license
terms, the MLA database (which is the 1981-    file) is passworded to
students, faculty & staff of both institutions.  I have no idea what the
costs are.

Greg.Finnegan@Dartmouth.edu
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:13:53 CDT
From:         "John B. Beck" <0005192416@mcimail.com>
Subject:      Re: No-charge Access to FirstSearch

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
What is FirstSearch? And what do you mean No-charge access to it? also
how do I access it? Thanks for any and all information you can provide.

             John B. beck
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Subject: Internet Access to LEXUS
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:22:18 GMT
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Please respond directly to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Pls. respond to the author directly.  Thanks.

Pls. excuse if this has been discussed before.

Could any of you tell me the ways to access to LEXUS via Internet?

Thanks in advance.


Edith Wu
The Chinese University of Hong Kong

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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:35:51 CDT
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Subject:      Zen in ASCII

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From: mark@BTSGateP.caps.maine.edu (Mark Stoffan)
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>Is there an Internet FTP site holding an ascii version (not PS)
>of "ZEN and the Art of the Internet"?

The Colorado Supernet (csn.org). It's in /pub/net/zen as zen-1.0.txt. It's
choppy but fairly easy to clean up before printing.

Mark Stoffan                      mark@BTSgateP.caps.maine.edu (Internet)
Bangor Theological Seminary       nlbbs!mstoffan@uunet.UU.NET  (UUCP)
159 State Street                  bg213@cleveland.freenet.edu  (alternate)
Portland, Maine 04101  USA        (207) 774-5212
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From: STRAUSS@UNCA.BITNET
Subject: Re: Zen in ASCII
There are several sites. Project Gutenberg is one. Zen is also
available (version 2) as a paperback book from Prentice-Hall, and
is very impressive.

Oh, Gutenberg is: ftp mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
cd etext, and do a dir to see where.

Bob Strauss
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Subject: Re: Zen in ASCII
From: gbnewby@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu

Zen and the Art of the Internet has been published by
Project Gutenberg.  It is available via anonymous
ftp to mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (128.174.201.12).

Note that this is the public domain "version 1" of the
book, NOT the copyrighted commercial version recently
published by Prentice Hall.

Filename is  pub/etext/etext92/zen10.txt  (plain ASCII) or
             pub/etext/etext92/zen10.zip  (zipped ASCII)

To get there (if you don't already know):  Use ftp to open
a connection to mrcnext.  Usually, a command of this form:
        ftp mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu

You should give the login name "anonymous"  (without the
quotes!  case sensitive!  spelled correctly!).  Give
your email address as a password.

Then, type:
        cd pub/etext/etext92

and:
        ascii

and:
        get zen10.txt

(Note:  if you get the zip version, type "binary" instead of
"ascii" above).

Enjoy!  To find out more about Project Gutenberg electronic
texts, read the monthly newsletter in Pacs-L.
  -- Greg Newby
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:39:51 CDT
From:         Eric Morgan <eric_morgan@library.lib.ncsu.edu>
Subject:      the gopher at NCSU Libraries

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

This is a meek annoucement of a gopher server at the NCSU Libraries. Point your
gopher to dewey.lib.ncsu.edu on port 70. I am trying to implement a "library
without walls."

Below is the welcome text of the server. Use the (slightly dated) map as a
guide to the server's resources.

Eric Lease Morgan, Systems Librarian
NCSU Libraries
Box 7111, Room 2316-b
Raleigh, NC 27695-7111
(919) 515-6182
eric_morgan@ncsu.edu

=========================
Welcome to the Gopher at the North Carolina State University Libraries!

PURPOSE

The purpose of this gopher to provide an organized and accessible means to
Internet resources pertinent to the student, faculty, and staff needs of the
North Carolina State University. The gopher is basically divided into three
parts: Study Carrels, Reference Desk, Beyond NCSU.


STUDY CARRELS

Each of the discipline specific "study carrols" contain Internet resources
pertinent to that discipline. These resources include such things as BBSs,
OPACS, reference works, texts (books or
journals), and indexes.


REFERENCE DESK

The Reference Desk contains Internet resources of very general applicability
that are useful to just about anybody.


BEYOND NCSU

The section Beyond NCSU provides links Internet resources similar to this
gopher. Many of these links are also contained within the Study Carrel.


MAP

The outline below corresponds to how this gopher is organized. Use it as a map
to the resources contained herein.

 About This Gopher
 About North Carolina State University
 Happenings!
 About the NCSU Libraries
 NCSU's "Library Without Walls"
   Discipline Specific "Study Carrols"
     Agriculture and Biology
     Astronomy and Astrophysics
     Education
     Government and Law
     Library and Information Science
     Literature and Journalism
     Medicine
     Religous Studies
     Sociology
   Reference Desk
     Address Books
     CIA World Fact Book 1991
     General Indexes (UnCover, DIALOG, WAIS)
     Periodic Table of Elements
     Roget's Thesaurus (Published 1911)
     Geographic Name Server
     U.S. Telephone Area Codes
     USENET news
     Weather
   Software tools for gathering information
     DOS
     Macintosh
     Unarchiving utilities
     Windows
  Beyond NCSU
   BBSs
   CWISs
   OPACs
   Gophers


MAINTENANCE

This gopher is maintained by me, Eric Lease Morgan. Give me a call or drop me a
line, and tell me what you think about this gopher. I love to get email.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:41:20 CDT
From:         "Systems Coordinator ... 855-1958" <JMARME@ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject:      RE: CD Interactive

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Off-the-shelf educational uses of CD-I, especially aimed at college-age
people, are few.  Librarians familiar with the many commercial offerings
in CD-ROM format will be disappointed by the general unavailability of
subject-specific Compact Disc-Interactive for college libraries.  What
discs that have been turned out are, to the best of my knowledge,
"home-grown";  that is, they were developed by an academic department
at a particular university in support of teaching and are not marketed
outside the parent institution.

Jay Marme'
Indiana University-Bloomington
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:40:05 CDT
From:         mulliner@ouvaxa.ucls.ohiou.edu
Subject:      RE: Incompatibility Among Library Catalogs - NOT

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
                   Ohio University Electronic Communication
   From:  Kent Mulliner                              Dept:  Library
          MULLINER                                 Tel No:  614-593-2707

Subject:  RE: Incompatibility Among Library Catalogs - NOT

CBush <$L$LB3G%LUCCPUA.BitNet Writes:

>Could somebody out there please explain IN THE SIMPLEST TERMS
>POSSIBLE why there is incompatibility among library catalogs
>even though they are on the internet.  I telnet from a mainframe
>on either a PC using a gateway or on a dumb terminal and get
garbage characters when connected to Cornell or Vanderbilt.

Without claiming to be an expert, the incompatibility
isn't among library systems but among platforms and emulations.
You need to emulate IBM's old 3270 terminal.

Ed Krol's new THE WHOLE INTERNET USER'S GUIDE & CATALOG
addresses this (pp. 54-58).  Without great detail, rather than
using "telnet", you need a counterpart, TN3270.  If you
TN3270 to Cornell, there is no problem.

>  I can
>sort of grasp the fact the UNIX and MVS would have a difficult time
>communicating (they way Macintoshes and IBM PC can't "talk" easily)
>but shouldn't two IBM mainframes even though they have different
>operating systems be able to "talk" to each other.  If not why
>hasn't the appropriate gateway or interface been built into
>the OS?

So the problem isn't the OS, but how you talk to it.
Yale, for example (which like CORNELL is running a NOTIS system),
offers a Telnet address and a TN3270 (according to HYTELNET), but
I've only had luck with the 3270.

Why ask that the gateway or interface be built-in?
It's simply a question of using the right key.  Do I complain
that all automobiles don't use the same brand or octane of
gasoline.  I'm all for simplifying the process to open the
net to more people but railing against long-standing
incompatibilities and misattributing them at that won't help.
Nor, do I think that some kludge to overcome them is
necessarily the answer.  Certainly, I have no right to
insist that CORNELL invest in a front-end because I want
to telnet rather than TN3270. 8>)
K. Mulliner, Ohio University Libraries
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:09:11 CDT
From:         "Peter Graham, Rutgers U., (908) 932-2741" <GRAHAM@ZODIAC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Copyright/Fair Use- Developments

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

From:  Peter Graham, Rutgers Univ.

David Brennan asked some questions and quoted a vendor as saying, i.a.,

>When you open this package, you
acknowledge our rights under federal law (17 USC sec106) and are bound by
that law not to make photocopies of any of these _Culturgrams_.


PG: Now, this sounds like the "license" on many software packages, known
informally as the "shrink-wrap license", and the received folk wisdom on that
I believe is that it is unenforceable and has no legal standing, and no
courts have enforced it.  Can anyone speak directly to that and help Mr.
Brennan further?

--pg
From: AXPBBGS@UICVMC.BITNET (Bernie Sloan)
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Subject: Presidents and Info Tech.
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:22:55 GMT
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 Just wanted to pass along a bit of information to the academic library
 administrators and college and university information technology managers
 on the list. Thought you might be interested in the following.

 According to the Chronicle of Higher Education, the Higher Education
 Information Resources Alliance (a coaltion of ARL, CAUSE and EDUCOM)
 is sending out a mailing to nearly 4,000 college and university presi-
 dents, encouraging them to take a leadership role "in developing strate-
 gies for using technology to improve administration and teaching".

 The Chronicle notes that the mailing includes a "checklist of 11 things
 presidents should do to make sure that their campuses are prepared for
 the future". My summary/paraphrase of the 11 points follows:

    1. Set up an effective campus network.
    2. Coordinate information resources at a fairly high administrative
       level. This is to help coordinate the activities of campus de-
       partments and agencies that have traditionally been fairly
       independent of one another (e.g., library and computer center?).
    3. Help library administrators work towards developing ACCESS to
       information resources, in addition to the more traditional
       acquisitions-based library activities.
    4. Involve faculty and staff who will be impacted by information
       technologies.
    5. Encourage people to use "information-rich databases and new modes
       of interaction in the teaching/learning process". Sort of reminds
       me of the Earlham College DIALOG experiment.
    6. Provide seed money to help get innovative projects off the ground.
    7. Encourage the use of computer conferencing to enhance discussion
       on campus.
    8. Consider information technology resources to be a "vital capital
       asset", an infrastructure that needs maintained and upgraded
       in the same way as any other physical asset.
    9. Make sure that any investments in technology are accompanied by
       cost-benefit analyses and mechanisms for assessing the projects.
   10. In today's fiscal picture, you can't fund new programs or strategies
       without taking a hard look at old programs and strategies. Limited
       or fixed resources will require reallocation of funds and shifting
       of priorities before new programs can be undertaken.
   11. "Move aggressively toward paperless administration". The report
       estimates that publishing and printing activities can use 15% to
       20% of campus operating budgets.

 It might be a good idea to read the overview in the Chronicle (October
 14, p. A19-A20) in the event that your administration takes the report
 to heart.

 Bernie Sloan
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Subject: RE: Incompatibility among Library Catalogs on the Internet
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:26:59 GMT
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
 Hannah King's points about users' frustrations using other OPACs are
 particularly well taken when they concern hardware or software mismatches
 resulting in malfunctions.

 However, "time taken to unravel" the powers of a different OPAC is a type of
 problem hardly unique to electronic media. When not in a position to do all of
 an inquirer's work for him and present him with a pre-packaged answer to his
 question, it is quite in order for a librarian to refer him to one or more
 promising reference works. The challenge of becoming familiar with its
 organization, format, abbreviation schemes, etc. is, it seems to me, quite
 analogous to learning one's way around an OPAC. The chief requirement in each
 situation is a modicum of curiosity and patience instead of expecting instant
 gratification. If a patron is inclined to blame the librarian or the library
 for the slightest difficulty encountered, I guess that he will do it as quickly
 in the one situation as in the other.

 Paul Emmons, West Chester University
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:36:49 CDT
From:         Elizabeth Lane <ELANE3@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Use of the Internet
              15 Oct 1992 16:28:52 CDT from <THENDERSON@Library.MsState.Edu>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
On Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:28:52 CDT <THENDERSON@Library.MsState.Edu> said:

>I have been a subscriber to pacs-l for two days now and have already
>received a number of interesting messages.  But two messages this
>morning have disturbed me:  two different network users chose to
>include brief political comments after their addresses.

First point: signatures are rather like what we "wear" when participating
in electronic conversations. Would you likewise require your colleagues
to refrain from wearing political buttons or tshirts at conferences, or
in public? If not, in what way do you see that as being different?

>Ok, I
>believe in free speech and open communication, and all that stuff.
>But I also do not want to see this list, and indeed, Internet, become
>a ping pong table for political and social commentary.  I signed on
>for professional reasons.  I want to learn from my colleagues.  But
>this is not the place for your unrelated opinions.  See Lee

Second point: When do we cross the line from "free speech and open
communication," which you endorse, to "all that stuff?" And who is to
determine what constitutes an "unrelated opinion?" Suppose I feel
strongly that one candidate or another is more likely to support the
development of a strong information infrastructure, and the funding
for libraries and schools to connect to that infrastructure? (Gore,
for example, the author of the High Performance Computing Act which
authorizes the development of the NREN.) Is that not germane to this
forum? I would say it was. No, I wouldn't use the conference as a way
to proselytize for a candidate, but I would certainly be interested in
convincing arguments as to the likelihood of any candidate for office
to support the needs of libraries and information consumers.

>librarians.  Another writer this morning referred to "cybertrash," an
>appropriate term for the things that clutter the discussion.  Let's
>keep the discussion on professional issues for librarians and
>information users.  Thanks.
>
Third point: When did restriction of free speech fall out of the range
of "professional issues for librarians and information users?"

Sorry if this comes off as a flame, but I think this is *very* dangerous
ground upon which you're treading...

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From:         STRAUSS@UNCA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Incompatibility among Library Catalogs on the Internet

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Hold your horses; it's coming! I know how frustrating it is, and part
of what I teach people is how to get "off" the system, when your pc is
frozen. No, re-booting won't help.

The new standard is NISO, and will allow all these systems to speak
the same lingo.  But, imagine: I have a pc, connected to a VAX, and our
library, using ls/2000, is on still another make of computer. You have
a Mac, connected to an IBM, and your library uses DRA....

When you think about it, it is amazing that it works as well as it does.
Yes, there are problems. But it is like the message I saw about 6 months
ago. Something to the effect: was my library school education defective;
I graduated in 1987 and knew nothing about the internet.

Nope, there wasn't much internet then. Yep, you purists will flame me and
say it has been around awhile, but NOTHING like today (just wait until NREN).

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++         Ramsey Library           ++
++          UNC-Asheville           ++
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++       Strauss@UNCA.bitnet        ++
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