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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: CAPS vs. Cels (was Re: Disney's "New Look": How?)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:51:35 GMT


I will reply to your points in e-mail (this newsgroup is not the proper
place), but I want to make my opinion clear on one thing:

In article <1jng8nINNk1p@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>, lerouxm@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Mark Leroux) writes:
> 
> In "Transformers" yes, the characters are anthromorphosized robots.  

TRANSFORMERS sucked dingo's kidneys.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,rec.arts.disney
From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: Disney's "New Look": How?
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 17:57:55 GMT

In article <1jsu2m$j3o@agate.berkeley.edu>, murakami@ocf.berkeley.edu (Brandon Murakami) writes:
 > Oh, now I see the confusion.  The Goof Troop might be assisted with Amigas,
 > but the Goof Troop is not animated at the Disney Studios.  Goof Troop and
 > every other current Disney cartoon series are commissioned out to other
 > studios.  I can't recall which studios does which, but if this is the source
 > of all the Amiga fanatics' claim to being a part of Disney animation then yes,
 > it's true there is some use.  But at the Disney Studios, they use Macintoshes
 > for pencil tests.

Know why?  Pencil tests are in black and white.

 > Brandon :)

-Eyvind

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From: ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Joker, Harley Quinn, and Poison Ivy (was Re: BTAS: Interpretations...)
Date: 24 Jan 1993 19:27 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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In article <1993Jan19.185432.24376@fnbc.com>, frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell) writes...
>In article <1993Jan19.080352.10047@midway.uchicago.edu>  
>nss3@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Noel Steere) writes:
>> A question that's been on my mind for some time, and this also extends
>> to the Tim Burton movies: Wouldn't it have been more interesting to
>> have the Joker more like he is in *The Dark Knight Returns*?  For
>> those of you who havent read it, it's what the movies, and BTAS are
>> based on (albeit losely).  Anyway, in it, the Joker is more -- well,
>> reserved.  Also, it's implied, rather directly, that he's infatuated
>> with Batman.  Kind of a homicidal Oscar Wilde, if you can imagine it.
> 
>> I guess I'm getting a little tired of the Joker being more a bully
>> than anything else, particularly in this episode.
> 
>I've always thought of the Joker as a bully.  Sadist, sociopath, and serial  
>killer, actually, but bully is the only thing you can show on children's  
>television.  (And this irks me; the "real" Joker kills people, lots of them,  
>for no reason except as punchlines to his twisted jokes.  It's his schtick,
> his  
>raison d'etre ... but you can't do it on children's TV.  But at least they go  
>as far as they can.)
> 
unless you look at Harley's comments in "Harley and Ivy".  (i'd like to admit
that this is all inferred from the episode and is MHO(tm))  anyhoo, Harley 
has a line when she is receiveing the poison innoculation from Poison Ivy that
is something like:  "You'd think living with Mr. J I'd be used to pain."  That
and the way she was acting, trying to defend the Joker's past actions, her
whole attitude towards the Joker -- perhaps Harley has been physically abused,
possibly sexually abused, by the Joker.  Because this is "a kid's show", i'm 
assuming that the makers of BTAS aren't going to come out and say that one of 
the recurring villians is a pedophile.  

in another thread, someone asked if Harley is insane.  IMHO, she is confused.

Another thing that i may be reading too much into on this episode:  What is 
Poison Ivy's sexual orientation?  From the way she was acting...was she annoyed
at Harley for worshipping Mr J, or was she jealous?  Sure there were several
"gal friends" scenes, but still, i think that there was more than just a feeling
of friendship growing on Pam's half.


just a few random thoughts from thomas, aka ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu

"This could be painful."  -what went through my mind as i was going at High 
Speeds downhill on a 3-speed bike when i noticed both the sharp curves ahead 
and that my rear tire had chosen that moment to go flat.

"Ouch." -what i said a few moments later.
From: bickford@jimmy.dfci.harvard.edu (Paul Bickford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Name this cartoon...PLEASE!!!
Date: 26 Jan 1993 13:53:49 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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In article <gfN6x4m00Uh7E9vqgU@andrew.cmu.edu> Michael P Collins <mc7f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>This is an animated movie I saw on HBO sometime in the early 80's.  I
>can't remember the title, so I'll just rattle off the stuff I remember
>from it.
>Anyway: A little man named Dreamfinder and his Dreamfig assistants (I'm
>not making this up, I swear!), he said something about them to the
>effect of "Nice fellows, tapdance do they not, nor do they f*rt.", his
>niece (a generic princess type),  (another quote:"You can't be my uncle
>Dreamfinder, he was tall and strong and you're short and bent!"  "I am"
>"What happened to my big, tall, strong Uncle Dreamfinder" "He became
>short and bent"), some generic superhero type, and a lot of ink spilling
>all over the place.  The only other thing I remember is that it wasn't
>made with cels, it looked more like sheets of tissue paper and acetate
>being pixillated...
>

The name of the the film is _Twice upon a Time_. The generic superhero
type is Rod Rescue-man. It is available on video, but I have not seen
it on laserdisk.

Paul
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From: jgg90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gonsalves JG)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Goober and the Ghostchasers
Summary: Does it exist?
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:33:38 GMT

Has there ever been a cartoon called 'Goober and the Ghostchasers' or a
similar name?  Nobody I've asked here (in the UK) has ever heard of it. 
I think Goober was a green dog (a ghost?), maybe wearing a red and white
stripey hat.  The name seems to connect with that image.  I think it was
shown in the UK about 15 years ago, which is why I can't remember
clearly.

Any information would be appreciated.

I may be mad, so humour me.  Please reply by e-mail, 'cause I don't read
this group very often.


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From: spitzak@gree.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Spitzak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: CAPS vs. Cels (was Re: Disney's "New L
Date: 22 Jan 1993 05:09:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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>    Could someone answer a question for me?  If the CAPPS system is used
>    to ink the pencil drawings, then why can you not see the jagged 
>    computer created lines when the film is shown on a huge theatre
>    screen?

Output resoultion of the film printer is probably 2048 pixels horizontally.
However the cels themselves are not necessarily sampled at that resolution,
it's probably lower, and because they zoom in and out of cels there is no
need or way to match it to the output device anyway.  Even at 2048 a sharp
line at an angle will produce obvious jaggies.  I have seen visible jaggies
on a film phototypesetter that produced 3000 dots per *inch*!

The real answer is antialiasing.  The pixels are not simply either "inside"
or "outside" a line, but are partially occupied, and shown as shades of grey.
Fortunately, the scanning in of the artwork automatically does a
very nice antialiasing job.  If the ink and paint software preserves this
antialiasing when coloring and filling the lines (a tricky but not daunting
task) then the result looks quite nice, and at fairly low resolution.

Computer-generating pictures that are antialiased requires a lot more work.
Making line drawings like the cart at the start of BatB can be hard,
especially if you try to make the intersections of two lines be really
correct (no idea if they did).  Raytracing such as the ballroom usually
calculates 16 or more rays per pixel and then averages them, another
solution is to "randomize" the rays, sending them is slightly "wrong"
directions, so straight edges are broken randomly rather than with a
staircase.  Renderman almost certainly does both of these.

Xref: sparky rec.arts.animation:7529 rec.arts.comics.misc:13076
From: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: BTAS: The Laughing Fish (spoilers!) -- NEVER MIND!
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:39:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.animation
Organization: Miskatonic U. Computer Operations & User Services

Shawn the Chronicler (C09615LS@wuvmd.wustl.edu) writes:

>I won't swear to this but I believe "The Joker's Five-Way Revenge" was
>indeed reprinted with the "Laughing Fish" two-parter in the 'Greatest Joker
>'Stories Ever', available from DC in hardcover or softcover.  

Swear away.  The info is correct.  

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Internet: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu       BITnet: JAROCHAERNST@ZODIAC
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:00:28 CST
From: <U52025@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: THE NEW JOHNNY QUEST MOVIE


  Johnny Quest has just been into a cable movie on USA. From what I've seen USA
 decided make the movie from animation, THANK GOD, instead of having real peopl
e play the cartoon charactor. The parts I've seen look way better than the old
Johnny Quest. It's above average for cartoon, not as high as BATMAN, but it
certainly not another X-MEN. The movie will be on March the 14 at 6 PM central
time.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,rec.arts.disney
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Disney and CAPPS
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 17:39:24 GMT

In article <1k3tlsINNke1@network.ucsd.edu> rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.004320.28255@clipper.ingr.com> kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
>>I have a friend who is an animator on The Simpsons down in L.A. He actually
>>saw some of the artwork for The Thief and the Cobbler before the project
>>was apparently canned. All he could say was it was the most incredible
>>thing he ever saw. He also said it even put Aladdin/Beauty and the Beast
>>to shame. But then again, if I got to work on a project for 20 years, I
>>would expect nothing less.
>
>I have not seen an *animated* sequence of The Thief and the Cobbler,
>but I've seen samples of the artwork.  It's nice, stylish, and very
>detailed, but I wouldn't say that it puts Disney features "to
>shame."  I expect that the animation will be very good, but the
>character design is not very appealing, IMHO.  

Everything I've heard about this film suggests that the animation is
superb, but the story is shaky, at best.  A large part of the reason
Disney's animated films are so popular is that they know how to tell
a story in an animated film.  Part of the reason Don Bluth's films don't
do as well as Disney's is that he isn't nearly so good at that.  ("All
Dogs Go To Heaven" was especially embarrassing, from a story point of view -
Disney would never, ever have made that film.)  If the rumors about "The
Thief and the Cobbler" are true, it is likely to prove a disappointment
to everyone except those for whom pure quality of animation is paramount.

-- 
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Xref: sparky rec.arts.animation:7429 comp.sys.amiga.graphics:8926 rec.arts.disney:8778
From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney's "New Look": How?
Date: 21 Jan 93 03:08:00 GMT
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

To: jason@aspen.math.uh.edu (Jason Grimes)

JG>Correct me if I`m wrong, but I do think they do use Amigas for some things.
JG>Mostly for generating wire-frames of difficult perspectives for vehicles,
JG>machines, etc.  And I think only for the saturday morning stuff.  The ballro
JG>in Beauty and the Beast was definitly done with high end computers (SGI, etc
JG>and the characters were overlayed on top.  I do know that the rug in Aladdin
JG>was computer generated so that they could have a complicated design on it
JG>and not have to draw it for every frame.

There was an article in one of the Amiga magazines last year about this.
It described how they used them in the making of GOOF TROOP and another
show. (DARKWING DUCK?) There were also pix of the wireframes and the
texture maps produced by the Amiga.

(AMIGA WORLD?)

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Xref: sparky rec.arts.animation:7561 alt.tv.tiny-toon:6149
From: root@matrix.cojones.com (Opal Luna Saturnyne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,alt.tv.tiny-toon
Subject: Re: Herculoids and Birdman
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:39:18 GMT
Organization: Cats Unlimited

David.Rapp@launchpad.unc.edu (David Rapp) writes:

> Does anyone have copies or has copies the Herculoids, Birdman and the Galaxy
> Trio, or Fantastic Four Hanna Barbera stuff from the Cartoon Network?
> I'm really interested in seeing some of this old stuff on VHS. Thanks.

Urk... trust me, that stuff wasn't exactly the Golden Age of animation. Nor
the Golden Age of Hanna-Barbera. Uh... for that matter, not really the Golden
Age of cartoons-apparently-drawn-by-four-year-olds. In other words, you're
not missing a bunch. Now if Ted Turner had bought up a bunch of the
Japanimation series....
One thing to say for those '60s Hanna-Barbera cartoons (and certain bad SF
shows), though - they're *lots* funnier after enough sleep-deprivation and
the right substances.

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From: eek2@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric E. Katz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Transformers
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:26:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


The one where Megatron cheated and tried forcing the Autobots off
Earth was pretty cool.   Its called Heavy Metal War.  I remember
how I tried to tape that thing but the affiliate was not put on
the VCR's tuner.  I remember all he frustration I suffered
because I could not watch them because of Sabbath school.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.animation:7562 rec.video.releases:4477
From: clements@bbn.com (Bob Clements)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: WB Cartoon Laserdisc Availability
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:57:15 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: classic.bbn.com

JACK.WEBB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Jack Webb") writes:
> [Paraphrased to reduce bandwidth}
> The six Warner Brothers cartoon laserdiscs still have not been released.
> [A letter from Whole Toon Access says]
> ... WB notified them that the discs should be available
>in early to mid February. [...]

Interesting.

I've had them on order at Sight and Sound.  I was over at S&S the
other day asking about them and was told that THREE of the six
have now been promised for early to mid February.  No promise yet
on the other three.  I didn't press him on WHICH three were
first.

>Jack

That's all I know ... just spreading the rumor.

Bob Clements, K1BC, clements@bbn.com
Xref: sparky rec.arts.animation:7487 comp.sys.amiga.graphics:9002 rec.arts.disney:8927
From: murakami@ocf.berkeley.edu (Brandon Murakami)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney's "New Look": How?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 06:11:51 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

I've been reading messages here for about 6 months now but it's only now that
I've figured out how to reply to messages.  I've been on GEnie's Disney
category for a few years now and can't help but to notice the differences.
Ray and Eyvind have both posted unfriendly replies to a simple factual
statement I made about the use of Amigas and Macintosh computers for Disney.
Eyvind, you did not read my statement carefully.  I said the _animation_
is commissioned out.  The directors and storymen are at Disney.  I didn't
claim the whole series was left up to outsiders.

For what it's worth here, I can't understand the hostility and the vulgarity
here.  And many claim it's a freedom to express opinionss, but I know many
of you would not be so rude if we were all in a room to share Disney news.
At GEnie, being civil is just taken for granted and everybody's happy.  I just
can't help but seeing images of the undergraduate computer science majors
who are too timid to speak up in class, but will rant and rave on the news
net.  And why are the Amiga owners so relgious anyways?  In too many news
groups, there are Amiga owners preaching about their machines.  Why???  I
can't see the significance in the Disney newgroup.  I side with Denise when
it comes to her Thumper quote.

Brandon :/

(I'm not the type to argue or raise hell, so there won't be any more from me
on the subject of being civil.)
From: atario@cats.ucsc.edu (Stephen Wayne Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: BTAS episode list/schedule?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 14:26:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


Does anyone have a _Batman:  The Animated Series_ episode list or schedule?
If so, couldja post it?  Thanx.
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From: spitzak@gree.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Spitzak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Disney's "New Look": How?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 08:31:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article 12565@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au, quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal) writes:
> Disney weren't particularly clear as to how they did TRDU - whether it
> was traditional cels like TLM (they said it was the last) or done on
> CAPS like BatB (they said it was the first).  Anyone?

The Rescuers Down Under was done using CAPS.  So were one or two shots in
Little Mermaid (somebody else here knows which ones).

Bill Spitzak
From: atario@cats.ucsc.edu (Stephen Wayne Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Joker, Harley Quinn, and Poison Ivy (was Re: BTAS: Interpretations...)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 14:17:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy) writes:

>perhaps Harley has been physically abused,
>possibly sexually abused, by the Joker.  Because this is "a kid's show", i'm 
>assuming that the makers of BTAS aren't going to come out and say that one of 
>the recurring villians is a pedophile.  

Eh??  Harley is hardly a "ped".  (That is, hardly a kid.)

>Another thing that i may be reading too much into on this episode:  What is 
>Poison Ivy's sexual orientation?

Most definitely reading too much into it.  It was a "Thelma and
Louise"-type thing.
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From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Name this cartoon...PLEAS
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:42:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) 

To: mc7f+@andrew.cmu.edu
MPC>Subject: Name this cartoon...PLEASE!!!

MPC>This is an animated movie I saw on HBO sometime in the early 80's.  I
MPC>can't remember the title, so I'll just rattle off the stuff I remember
MPC>from it.
MPC>Anyway: A little man named Dreamfinder and his Dreamfig assistants (I'm
MPC>not making this up, I swear!), he said something about them to the
MPC>effect of "Nice fellows, tapdance do they not, nor do they f*rt.", his
MPC>niece (a generic princess type),  (another quote:"You can't be my uncle
MPC>Dreamfinder, he was tall and strong and you're short and bent!"  "I am"
MPC>"What happened to my big, tall, strong Uncle Dreamfinder" "He became
MPC>short and bent"), some generic superhero type, and a lot of ink spilling
MPC>all over the place.  The only other thing I remember is that it wasn't
MPC>made with cels, it looked more like sheets of tissue paper and acetate
MPC>being pixillated...

That would be TWICE UPON A TIME. It was done with cut-out animation as
you have surmised.

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From: john@logiconultra.com (John Martyniak)
Subject: Re: Ren & Stimpy om Laserdisc?
Organization: Logicon_Ultrasystems
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:37:24 GMT

What is Ren & Stimpy?  And where can I see it (them)?

-John
From: gmkoenig@acsu.buffalo.edu (Gerson V Koenig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Why, Porky!
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:37:37 GMT
Organization: UB

vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell)) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.084805.19743@husc3.harvard.edu> goodridg@husc8.harvard.edu (Andrew Goodridge) writes:
>>>I just had an interesting flashback.  I distinctly recall seeing a piece of
>>>animation wherein Porky Pig, *the* Porky Pig, says:
>>>
>>>"Oh, son of a b---son of a b---son of a b---son of a bitch!  [looks at 
>>>camera]  Ha.  You didn't think I was gonna say it, did you?"
>>
>>Of course, "Son of a Bitch" isn't really considered all that risque'
>>nowadays, so that piece of film keeps showing up in places.

This was done for a 1938 bloopers at Warner Bros. (So says the Beck and 
Friedwald LT-MM Guide.) It also shows up at the end of Some (or all) of
Bosko Video's cassetes.

Gerson Koenig
gmkoenig@acsu.buffalo.edu
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