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From: jc4h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joan Ellen Stein)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Thomas the Terrorist (was:Thomas the Tank Engine)
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:19:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Aebasny00iUyQ4qHFE
	<28AUG199207525885@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Organization: University Libraries - Technical Service, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

One man's tea is another man's poison.  My son used to like Thomas too,
although he was always a little worried about Gordon.  Then he saw the
episode called "Diesel's Devious Deed", in which a very angry Diesel
growls mightily, and he became hysterical.  He had a few nightmares over
that and we had many looong talks about crabby engines that are probably
nice guys deep down until he finally got over it.  He has not allowed
another Thomas video to played in his presence since then (its been a
year at least but, from time to time, he will still bring up the fact
that he doesn't like Diesel's grrrring).  We had five of those darned
videos, which I sold.  We spent the money on Winny the Pooh videos,
which are much more his speed.  He's got a delicate psyche.
Joan Stein
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smmyers@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Subject: Re: Welcome to Misc.kids/FAQ File Index (Updated 8/27/92)
Reply-To: smmyers@PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:09:35 GMT
Keywords: etiquette, FAQ

Hey Misc.Kidders,

     This is just an FYI.  In the Misc.Kids FAQ...

THIS:

----------------------------------------------------------------
Walkers				Sean Myer
				smmyer@ns.PacBell.COM
----------------------------------------------------------------

SHOULD BE:                          Note the s
                                         |
-----------------------------------------v----------------------
Walkers				Sean Myers
				smmyers@ns.PacBell.COM
--------------------------------------^-------------------------
                                      |
                                 Note the s

Sorry if anybody has mail bouncing back to them.


  -+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+-
  + Sean M. Myers (smmyers@pbhyg.PacBell.COM)| Sweater, n.:                 +
  = Systems Analyst                          |      A garment worn by       =
  + Operator Services                        |      a child when its        +
  = Software Engineering and Maintenance     |      mother feels            =
  + Pacific Bell SRV, CA. USA                |      chilly.                 +
  -+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+-
  +   Sex without love is an empty experience,    |                         +
  =   but, as empty experiences go,               |                         =
  +   it's one of the best.     -- Woody Allen    |                         +
  -+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+--+=+-
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sasdvp@unx.sas.com (David V. Phillips)
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent ....
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:16:17 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

joefw@eosdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joe Fulson-Woytek) writes:

>In article <92247.151717CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>In article <1992Sep3.131333.19807@schbbs.mot.com>, EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary
>>Beth Northrup) says:
>>>to "eensy weensy spider".
>>>
>>
>>I thought it was the "itsy bitsy spider".

>I have  been a firm believer that it was eensy weensy, while my wife is a
>firm believer that it was itsy bitsy.  So whenever we heard a version being
>sung, one of us would proudly note that it was the "correct" version.  I think
>there are as many correct versions (eensy weensy) as incorrect ones (itsy 
>bitsy).

>Nothing like an early morning intellectually stimulating discussion.


Ahem.  You're all wrong.  It's "teensy weensy" spider.

And, if I may borrow a phrase from my almost 6-yr old...so there!

;-)

--
David Phillips         sasdvp@unx.sas.com
sometimes you're the windshield
sometimes you're the bug    -- dire straits

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: Booster seats in aircraft
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:20:29 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Aug28.185003.17912@cbfsb.cb.att.com> gbk@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (g.b.karlovsky) writes:
>In article <BtpGsG.4Lr@apollo.hp.com> betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
>>
>>3.  Make sure the people who issue your boarding pass know you're
>>    travelling with an infant seat.  On one leg of our flight,
>>    we had to move, because the infant seat would have prevented
>>    use of the emergency exit in the row behind.  Fortunately,
>>    the row ahead was happy to swap with us.
>>
>In fact, it was not the infant seat that prevents your sitting in the same
>row as the emergency exit, it is the fact that the child (and probably the
>parents of an on-board child) are incapable of aiding others off the plane.

Perhaps my original posting was unclear. The emergency exit was in the
row *behind* us, not in our row.  The problem was not that we would
have been unable to operate the exit, but that the seats ahead of the
emergency wing exit must be folded forward in order for the emergency
exit to be useful, and the carseat would have prevented this folding. 
The "no children in the emergency exits" rule is widely publicized;
the "no children AHEAD of the emergency exits" rule is not, and is
probably specific to the model of plane in any case.

-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
From: jean@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jean Jasinski)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:40:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

The program you are referring to is called (at my company) a "Dependent
Care Reimbursement" account.  It allows you to divert up to $5000
pre-tax into an account which you are reimbursed from once a month
when you provide a receipt.  This money is in a "use it or lose it"
account.  If you can predict your daycare expenses, it is a good idea
and works out to be better than the old tax-credit program for most
incomes.  You will have to fill out the tax-credit form on your income
tax (the first part of the front side and the entire back side) because
you will be taxed on any dollars that were not used (in addition to losing
them......)  The $5000 limit is fixed by the federal government but it
does not matter how many children you have.  If you have only one child,
the tax credit limits you to $2400 and then you only receive a percentage
(based on your income) of the amount as a tax credit.  The reimbursement
account money is not taxed for federal and state income taxes and no
FICA is paid on those dollars.

Your company has to have such a program, but it does benefit the 
employer because they don't pay their share of FICA on those dollars
either!  Encourage your company to start such a program if you do not
already have one.  Encourage your co-workers to sign up.  There was talk
of eliminating the program if only high-income workers used the plan.

The down sides are:  you must contribute to the account and then get
reimbursed.  This means the first month you are paying for daycare and paying
into the plan without being reimbursed.  But once the first month is over,
this cash flow problem might be eliminated (depends on when you pay and
when you get reimbursed).  Since you do not pay FICA on those diverted
dollars, you could potentially reduce your retirement social security benefit
(like it will be there for us.....).  You can only enroll in the program once
a year and you may not make changes in your contributions without a certified
"change of family status" (addition of another child, death of a child).  Your
changes must be consistent with the change.  In other words, you cannot have
a child born and REDUCE your contribution.  So if you might radically reduce
your child care expenses because grandma is now freed up to do it, you run
the risk of forfeiting some of your contributions.  But even if you lose a 
couple of hundred dollars, you might still be ahead of the game....

Jean Jasinski
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: mastitis - Thanks for the info
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:08:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.132505.6163@crd.ge.com> millerj@belize.crd.ge.com () writes:
>
>	Has anyone out there had this surgery and started breast feeding
>again?  She's concerned about drying up or being able to build
>the milk supply on that breast back up again.
>
I know a woman who had mastitis and continued breastfeeding, although
the side affected ended up smaller than the other (I don't know if it
was producing less milk or even if she actually underwent surgery.  I do
know that she was hospitalized.)

I have a friend who did have this surgery, and they cut through all her
milk ducts!  She was told to quit breastfeeeding, but she persisted and
was able to build her supply back up.

Where there's a will there's (usually) a way.  Good Luck to your
friend.

Michele
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: stanzi@media.mit.edu (Constance "Stanzi" Royden)
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls
Keywords: Boys Girls
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:30:39 GMT

>In article <1992Aug25.202607.5686@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com> tran@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com (Tien Tran) writes:
>I overheard something interesting while shopping over the weekend.  A young
>boy was looking at some toy irons on display.
>
>Boy:  Can I get one, Daddy?
>Dad:  No!
>Boy:  Why not?  It's only a toy.
>Dad:  Yeah, but only girls iron.  Those are girls' toys.
>Boy:  Oh, really?  I didn't know that.
>

Speaking of environmental influences--I happened to be in a conversation
with a fellow scientist (male) the other day.  He said that he "playfully"
gives his 8 YO daughter a hard time for getting straight A's, saying that
she is the type of girl he would have hated as a little boy.  While he
seems to think this doesn't affect his daughter's drive to achieve, I 
can't help but think that he's teaching her to underachieve so she can
attract males.  No wonder there are so few women in math and science :-(.
From: dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Freak thine elders! (was: differences between boys and girls?)
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:47:21 GMT
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.04

In <1992Aug25.000633.982@cco.caltech.edu>, hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)  wrote:
# So what kind of a daughter do I get?  One who wants to dress in pink,
# have her hair french-braided and her nails polished, and spend all day
# playing with Barbie Dolls.  She is as disgusted with my clothes as
# my mother was.  I do see some reason for hope at times--she
# has maintained for some time that she wants to be a doctor and asks how
# long it will be before she "gets to"(!!!!) discect a frog in school.
# But overall, I look at this kid and wonder where in the heck she 
# came from. 

  Just remember that there is a basic biological imperative:

    "Thou shalt freak thine elders."

  I had some great talks with my grandmother, who was delighted that
  men were wearing their hair long AGAIN and growing beards AGAIN.
  She then told me some great stories of my father's generation and
  how they scandalized their parents with Butch haircuts and so forth!

  Perhaps one of the great tragedies of the last twenty-or-so years is
  that the kids born lately have had such a hard time freaking tolerant
  parents.  Unable to send them ballistic with minor rebellion, they've
  had to go to really dangerous extremes.
---
--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
--- Note new network address:                    dcs@witsend.uucp ---
--- And if that doesn't work:                dcs@witsend.tnet.com ---
--- There never was any correspondence between my views and SCI's ---
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: menon@boulder.colorado.edu (Ravi Menon)
Subject: 38 hours on international trip with infant--alone
Reply-To: menon@boulder.colorado.edu (Ravi Menon)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:01:06 GMT

You may remember I posted back in July about going to India in November
with a one year old.  Well, some changes to the story are as follows:
 	I am leaving on the 10th of September (Thursday)
	I am going alone--no hubby to help bear the burden
	I will be staying 3 months instead of 6 weeks
	Hubby will join me later
Yikes I am getting very nervous.  Ezra, will only be 10 months old
when we travel, is a very active chap.....veeerrrryyyy active!  I
will be flying Denver LA, have a 4 hour layover then fly to Tokyo,
stay on the plane then on to Singapore, a 12 hour layover then on to
Bombay.  After 2 days in Bombay to visit miscellaneous in-laws, I
proceed to Cochin where I'll spend the rest of my holidays with my
mother-and father-in-law.

I am taking many things, but want to ask the importance of some of the
advice I received back in July.  Do you really think it is necessary to
take all the babies fruit from here?  What are some decent products to
take for insect bites (releif or) and pricly heat?  Can you think of
how to entertain an infant for 18 or so hours of airplane travel?


Please wish me lots of luck:*}

Thanks in advance.  I may not have time to respond to everyone until I
return.  So, forgive me in advance if that is the case.


Deantha
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: Rice as a finger food?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:55:27 GMT

>In article <92240.115153CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
 > Douglas likes to eat rice, but is having trouble picking it up by himself
 > and has basically sworn off of spoons for the time being.  Does anyone have
 > a suggestion for making "rice balls" or something similar?  I'm trying to
 > figure out a way to get several rice grains stuck together so that they are
 > easier to pick up.
 > 
 > Chris Himes

Send little Douglas to my house.  Any time I make rice according to the
precise directions on the box I get "rice balls."  No problemo!

Actually if you squook it together with your fingers and let it sit
at room temperature it'll clump up too.

-Nance
-- 
Nance Colucci  *^*^*^*^*^*    o__    *^*^*^*^*  |  Work that body!
att!ihlpk!colucci            _.>/               | Stay fit for life.
                            (_) \(_)                           
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins)
Subject: help with almost 3 year old
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:50:36 GMT


Hi,

I need some advice on toilet training.  If about 1000 people
would like to add that after this is over, I won't even remember
why it was such a big deal, that might help me feel better.

My daughter will be 3 in October.  She has had some success in
actually peeing and pooping in the potty chair, but she really
prefers not to do that.  She knows what to do - we have read
books, watched videos, been lavish in praise when she does the
deed - but she doesn't like to.  When we dress her in the
morning, we offer her a choice of diapers and panties, and she
often picks panties, but she would prefer to just hold it all in
until she gets in to her nighttime diaper.  This child must have
a bladder the size of an elephant, which I would probably still
marvel at even if I wasn't pregnant.  Yesterday, she did not pee
or poop for about a 10 hour stretch.

When she picks panties, and we ask what that means,she will say
it means that she has to pee in the potty, but then she doesn't
do it.  She can be coerced or convinced to sit on the potty but
refuse to pee, and
then minutes later, pee in her pants.  This is usually a traumatic
event regardless of our reaction to it.

I have tried to talk to her about what she doesn't like about
peeing in the potty - asked her if it hurt, if she was afraid,
if she could tell me - but she always says no.

My reaction to this is getting pretty poor.  I was really angry at
her today, and I feel pretty frustrated.  I made her wipe up the
floor and rinse out her clothes - of course, I helped with this because
almost 3 year olds aren't very efficient at these things - but I
feel pretty bad about my reaction.  I also feel pretty bad about her
continuing like this, and I'm starting to think that if she can't
even talk to me about using the potty , maybe she'll never feel like
she can tell me anything, and as she grows up, we'll have a rotten
relationship, and she'll feel like she has to face life all by herself
because she can't talk to me.

Maybe she's stressed because of the new baby, due in December.  She
talks about being a big sister a lot, and she seems happy about it,
but it's going to be a big change.  I'm happy about the baby but feel
some stress, too.  The other night I dreamt that the baby was born, but
it wasn't a baby, it was a goat, and then it turned into a baby but
it could walk and talk right away, and it wasn't nice to our 3 year old.
Then it changed again, into an actual infant, but I realized that we
didn't have a name for it.  

Kate Perkins
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 14:03:14 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

eaa@doc.ic.ac.uk (Liz Attree) writes:

> <birth story deleted>
> available if I couldn't cope.  Or is it really that important?  Isn't
> having the child in your arms afterwards fulfilling enough, however they
> made their entry into the world?  
> 
> Anyone have any thoughts on this?
> 
> 
> 
> Liz Attree (eaa@doc.ic.ac.uk)

Since my son was c-section and I went in under a general, I didn't see
him for several hours after he was born.  (The nurses let me sleep, and
woke me up a few hours later to finally see him).  I always felt that
I missed out on his birth.  That I would never know what it was like
to "push a child into this world", and that I missed out on seeing him,
and touching and bonding with him from the very start.  But the first
time I laid eyes on him, and touched him and held him was wonderful.
even though he'd been in this world for several hours.  We bonded then, and
I'm sure he doesn't even know the difference.  No mater how he came into
this world, or what I was doing when he did, he is here, and he is
special.  God gave me a beautiful healthy boy, and the c-section made
it possible for him and me to come out healthy.  So I missed out on 
a few hours of his life, I've got the rest of his life, NOT to miss
out on anything.  :)

-Cathy, (Mom of Patrick,4)


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Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:11:48 GMT
Reply-To: belize!millerj@steinmetz.UUCP (Julia K. Miller)
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development

In article <1992Aug25.191645.2211429@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>Since you are all so knowledgable on this subject, do BOTH parents have
>to work to earn the credit?  Would income from a non-job count as the other
>parent's income so that pre-school expenses could be deducted? 
>
>I would love to take advantage of this to help offset pre-school expenses
>but was under the impression that since Ron doesn't work outside the home
>we are inelligable (sp?).  
>

	I think so.  The wording I have read is that you can only get the
credit if you must use day care to be able to work.  I would think that
if you could prove that you needed to have day care so that you could get
your work done, even if your office was at home, you could take the credit.
But I would check with a tax lawyer before trying it.

Julia
Xref: sparky misc.kids:21968 sci.lang:6743
From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: re: mastitis - Thanks for the info
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:25:05 GMT
Reply-To: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com ()
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development


	Thanks for your help and information on dealing with mastitis.
Unfortunately, she had to have surgery Monday to open it up.  I
haven't talked to her since (she's really exhausted by the whole
experience) but her husband says she is doing well and still wants
to keep breast feeding.  The doctor says she should be able to
after recovering from the surgery and the blockage wasn't caused
by a tumor, which was some good news.
	She had a RN who specializes in breast feeding and infant care
come to the house several time before the surgery.  To try to keep
from nipple confusion, she was supplementing with formula by having
tubes from the formula to the nipples so that the baby got both
formula and milk when he was nursing.  The baby is doing better,
weight-wise, with the supplement.  But, the blockage wasn't clearing
up.  They tried pumping, antibiotics, warm compresses, etc. and it
just wouldn't open up.
	She's hoping to keep breast feeding on the one side and resume
on the other.  Hopefully, then she can eventually drop the formula.
Now that she knows the symptoms, she can react quickly if this
happens again.  I think that the problem was that since the problem
started when she started breast feeding, they confused the swelling
and engourgement from the mastitis with engourgement from just
starting feeding.  It took about 2 weeks of this before they
decided something was seriously wrong.
	Has anyone out there had this surgery and started breast feeding
again?  She's concerned about drying up or being able to build
the milk supply on that breast back up again.


Thanks again.

Julia
From: sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Date: 27 Aug 1992 11:23:55 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:14:06 -0400 (EDT)

Broken fingers, and being thrust forward when bumping into furniture or
getting dumped out when the floor surface changes are NOT related to
falling down steps.  My old Ped said that the worse injuries are when
stairs are involved, but that hand/finger and head injuries occur many
times when step are not involved.

Just wanted to be sure you see all aspects.  Making a decision is always
more comforting when one has considered everything.  Then when someone
puts you down for a decision and sites an example, you can shut them up
with "yes, I thought of that too.".

-Shirl

(BTW: I have/will never allowed my kid(s) be in one.)
From: zoe@cypress.West.Sun.COM (Zoe Friedlander)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Walkers and walking
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:25:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sunsoft, A Division of Sun Microsystems Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: sparkle
Originator: zoe@sparkle.West.Sun.COM

This is a followup to the person who said that using a walker makes
children walk late and on their toes, which she knows for a fact 
because of a sample of three (?) of whom one did not use a walker
and two did.

Of my sample of two, both of whom did use walkers, neither walks
on their toes (nor did they ever) and one walked at 11 months,
the other at 10.5.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly)
Subject: Re: Baby's Last Name
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 00:35:29 GMT


Though the father wouldn't need to legally adopt the baby,
because he is already it's father.  
Newsgroups: misc.kids