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From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: RECIPES NEEDED FOR FUSSY EATERS
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:50:25 GMT

In article <9147@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> ns@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nancy M. Schnepp) writes:
>I have two fussy eaters, ages 7 and 11.  I am very tired
>of the spaghettios or macaroni and cheese suppers.  
>One will eat fish and hot dogs, 
>the other will eat chicken nuggets, but no other meat.  
>Any fresh ideas out there??

I've had rather good results with letting the kids do the cooking.
I find that children are more likely to eat what they make themselves
(Tuna, black olive, peanut butter, and cottege cheese sandwiches on
Wonder, for example) more readily than what someone else makes.  My
son and my boyfriend's daughter are 9 and 11 and they've made all kinds
of stuff (with supervision, of course) from tacos to chile to baked
spuds.

Maybe tying aprons on them and letting them give it a try might help?
Good luck!
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: timmons@osc.edu (Elizabeth Timmons)
Subject: Re: Thank you all + resource request
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:46:46 GMT

In article <16B5DCD13.M17257@mwvm.mitre.org> M17257@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.154838.8691@ttinews.tti.com>
>reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>>In article <3161@tymix.Tymnet.COM> filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM writes:
>>>She's heard about these full-body pillows, and thinks that will help her
>>>get comfy at night, but can't seem to find one.  Someone told her about a
>>>place called "Fortune's Almanac", but they aren't accepting orders for the
>>>next several months.
>>>
>>>Anybody have any experience with these?  Are they worth it, or just hype?
>>


I believe Company Store catalog sells body pillows. Phone: 1-800-323-8000.
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Nail Cutting (was: Re: haircut tips for 4-5 month old?)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 18:05:04 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: classy.jpl.nasa.gov

In article <30874@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
>
>I think this goes for nail-cutting too, unless someone has some great tip
>they'd like to share (please??)

I have always had a lot of luck with this task. My son didnt even need his
nails cut for about 6 weeks, because they seemed to naturall peel when they
got to a certain length. When he was a little older he really like being on
his stomach, using his arms to push himself up. I found that was a great time
to cut his nails, since his hands werent going anywhere. I just made sure he
was fascinated with something. 

Mostly I just waited for the right mood - like right after I fed him, and he
was very mellow. Then he didnt seem to mind if I did it then, as long as we 
continued to cuddle.

Since he became a toddler, I use bribes ;-), ok, incentives! We have
a small collection of rubber stamps and I stamp each hand/foot as I finish it.

Laura Floom
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          
>
>Note: Performing too many flushes can adversely affect performance
>                                      SG Graphics Library Programming Guide


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller)
Subject: Re: SAFE SEX or SAFER SEX?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:52:55 GMT

In article <16B61ADAE.M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org> M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk) writes:
> 
>  If you talk about sex with a condom, use the correct term - SAFER sex.
>If condoms are AIDs-proof (and I don't mean 99.1%), please clarify this
>matter for me.
>  You can use the term 'SAFER sex' when talking about approving of your
>teens having sex and be more realistic about what you are approving, I would
>think.

<sigh>  OK, let's see now: I cannot say "we are pregnant", and now I
cannot say "safe sex".  What else can't I say?  

With all of the communication, and miscommunication that goes on here,
the number of people who cannot spell and punctuate, and the vast volume
of just plain misinformation that is posted, why in the world are we
picking nits with language that is at least serving it's purpose?

Is this really necessary?  If you want to be excruciatingly correct,
knock yourself out.  I think it's completely inappropriate, though,
for you to correct my usage, especially when my usage is correct
according to the rules of common usage, albeit as a slang term.

BTW, you might want to note that slang is not always technically 
correct.  

Oh, and before someone demands my credentials for making such a 
statement, it might be worth noting that I was a senior writer for
10 years.

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From: BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help! - comforting bitee...
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:18:34 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky

In article <C1FI8K.9z5@SSD.intel.com>
wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang) writes:
 
>
>My email bounced, so here it is...
>
>I know that quite a few people will assure you that biting is common and will
>go away eventually.  Well, it will go away and maybe it's common too, but I
>don't think it's acceptable.  It creates heartache for parents, not
>mentioning possible infections if skin breaks.
>
>My daughter was bitten once with small skin breaks.  At the time the teachers
>payed a lot of attention on her so she didn't think much about it.  Later on
>she would tell me who bit her.  I taught her that if any kid was about to bite
>her, she should "push that child away and say loudly 'NO BITING', and call the
>teacher for help".  We practiced this couple of times and she appeared happy
>with some confidence that she can control the situation.
>
This is exactly what they teach the children at my daughter's daycare.
(Kindercare).  I seems to work pretty well.  Except for the other day, when
another child took a little boy's book away and he went to retaliate.  The
other little girl realized that and escaped and the little boy - I guess he
didn't know where to go with his anger - took it out on Tatijana.  It
barely broke the skin, but it looked really bad.
 
>Since I knew the biter had a biting history, we talked to the head teacher
>and heard about their policy of dealing with this situation.  Her teacher
>even guaranteed that this won't happen again.  Since then, my daughter
>advanced to the next group and we haven't heard any more such incident, yet.
>
Sometimes it helps, too, to advance the biter.  When my daughter was still
in "Infants II = 6 months to toddler stage" and was able to walk ok, she
all a sudden started biting one little girl repeatedly. (2 - 3 times in
several weeks)  She was the nect child to move up (it was not quiteher
turn, yet) because the teachers decided that she was probably bored with
that group.  I wasn't quite sure that that was true at the time, but she's
never bitten anybody again.
 
[stuff deleted]
 
>Good luck.
>
>Wen-lin
>
>
I would definitely make a big deal out of it, though.  If it happens
once, ok, but if it becomes a habit something needs to be done.  Also,
I think at almost 2, children should start to be able to handle their
conflicts verbally unlike babies who really can't do that.
 
Good luck,
 
Stephanie
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: b97289@asbt01.gedlab.allied.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: childbirth, natural event or what ?
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:13:58 -0700
Distribution: na
Organization: ASAC, GED, Phoenix, Az

hi, 
i came across a certain situation that i am looking for advice to!
at a recent party, a married couple is expecting there first child, they
said they had not attented any classes on childbirth, and didn't see any 
reason to. what good replies would i have to tell them it doesn't hurt to 
go and see a class or two. they have books that they read and figured that 
should be enough,
From: massey@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: ?? Who had AVENT bottle 800 number??
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:09:04 GMT
Reply-To: massey@pmassey.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, Texas
Originator: massey@pmassey.austin.ibm.com


This is my first attempt to post to the net, but I saved the 800 number in question:
                                                                                
To get a catalog of their products and possibly the name of a store near        
you, call 800-54avent 7 days a week, 8am to 10pm Central Time.                  
(Area code 708 number: 708-769-1700).                                           
                                                                             
Hope this makes it through.	

Pat   
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A. Neinast)
Subject: Re: Zoe Baird's woes
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:39:40 GMT

In article <199301250402.AA02526@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>, c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
> re: Zoe B's woes...

> If we follow the proportions, Zoe used to make 500,000 $/K a year;
> or, maybe 10 times what I make, give or take a few :-). Correspondingly,
> she should be able to pay 10 times what I am paying for day care, 
> or $6,000 a month (ours is $600/month for an infant).

Interestingly enough, my wife and I just had to go through getting
childcare last October, and had to at least consider going
"off the books".  We were lucky to find a great come-to-our-house
Nanny for $225/week (for 3 kids).

What really kills us is not the money (though that's not great)
but the paperwork.

There's becoming an employer (and getting Tax ID).

There's filing the Federal and SS/Med taxes.

There's making the W-2 for the Nanny.

There's the Federal Workers Comp.

There's Ohio Workers Comp.

There's Ohio Unemployment Insurance.

Yoicks!

Monetarily, in addition to the salary, there's also the employer's
match of SS/Med = 7.65%.  Worker's comp has a premium of 5+%, and
unemployment has a premium of 3%.  So, doing it right costs an
additional 16%!!!!!  Now, if I were a real business, I could deduct
this as a cost of doing business, but the Feds, in their infinite
wisdom, don't allow it for a family.

Bob
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Robert Neinast (ran@cblpo.att.com)
AT&T-Bell Labs
From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Inability to Sleep
Date: 28 Jan 93 21:30:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1993Jan28.141229@shiva.mc.ti.com> kali@shiva.mc.ti.com writes:
>I have a 21 mo. old who cannot seem to sleep continuoulsy
>for more than a couple of hours at night.  She wakes up and
>we have to pat her or pick her up for a couple of minutes
>befor she goes to sleep again.  This NIGHTMARE seems to happen
>every single night and I am almost at the point of disowning
>her (I work full time) and have had sleep deprivation for almost
>two years now!
>Healthwise she is doing good (according to her pediatrician).
>She is very active and quite healthy.  
>
>I have tried to let her go back to sleep by herself, but
>it has failed.  Has anyone else had such MISERABLE nights with
>their young ones?  I would like to hear some helpful suggestions.

Well, there is FEBER, which many, many, many people swear by.  So far, at 16
months, we have not had to go through this.  Laura has always been pretty good
about going to bed and sleeping though the night.

Whe  Laura was about 1 year, we did start to have problems.  Laura would
wake about midnight (bedtime: 7:30) and start crying.  Sometimes she would
also wake about 4 AM.  It didn't seem to be "separation anxiety", since she
slept alone for naps without problems.  She definitly seemd upset at
something, though.

The solution was simply getting her a night light!  As soon as we installed the
light, she stopped disurbing us in the middle of the night.  We *know* she
sometimes wakes up in the middle of the night, but usually doesn't cry for
us.  Sometimes we hear her wake up and *briefly cry -- but it seems to be
more of "OH I LOST MY LOVELY! WHERE'S MY LOVEY! - Oh, there it is. Never mind"
This is speculation only: we here the thrashing around and brief cry, but
if she quiets right away, we're not willing to stick our noses in!

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    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com 
    You can put the children to bed, but you can't make them sleep!
From: lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: My 1 year old is still hitting me, but ...
Followup-To: misc.kids
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:34:57 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.22

Many thanks to everyone who responded to my post about David
hitting me. It helped tremendously to hear that this is a common
behavior at this age. 

I can't say he's stopped hitting me (:-), but I'm not having as
much trouble dealing with it after the great input from you all.
When he starts hitting me now, I try and redirect him to point at
my eyes, nose and mouth and say the names. That works most of the
time. 

Though it seemed that it was a game to him when he started last
week, this week he's already hitting me in response to an "No"
(about some other behavior) from me. Oh well. So it begins. :-)

Lindsay



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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: Teaching kids to read
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:37:35 GMT

In article <TIGGER.93Jan26001538@satyr.Sylvan.COM> tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
>So, what do you do if you have a child who WANTS to learn to read? 
Say, a child who throws a tantrum in a bookstore, yelling
"teach me to read! teach me to READ!" :-) I know what you mean and
there is no way we'll wait till she's seven. But I wouldn't have
suggested it to her if she hadn't brought it up.

>suggestions for a three year old with an active imagination? 

You can't go wrong if you get the Chinaberry catalogue. Lots of
terrific books in there. Beth also loves all the Puddle Lane
books, from the early reader stuff, which she is *just* starting
to read herself at times (she's 3.5) to the much older stuff which
we read to her. She also got SIX Thomas books for Xmas and is thrilled
with them all. She has also just started "chapter books" -- right
now we're reading Bedknob and Broomstick (yes, both singular, not
how I remembered the title myself but there it is) one chapter a
night and she loves it. That's supposed to be for eight year olds to
read to themselves. She likes Noddy, though to be honest I don't (too
sexist for me). Books from a series have the advantage of more story
in each book, since they spend less time on telling you who everyone
is at the start. And Beth plays imaginary games that involve the
characters she has come to know, either through Thomas or through
Puddle Lane. (One warning about PL: magicians and dragon-like monsters,
toys that come to life, and so on, are integral to the series. They
are not scary in any way but if you are against books that discuss
such things as real, you will not like this series.)

Kate
From: stoc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Alan Stockman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: 800 phone number for Hooked on Phonics
Summary: 800-abc-defg
Keywords: reading
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:17:02 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


I have received e-mail from a number of people asking how I ordered
Hooked on Phonics.  You get it from 1-800-abc-defg (222-3334).  I
believe it was about $200.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: phil@lotatg.lotus.com (Phil Ritari)
Subject: Re: Job-sharing/Mommy_Track_&_Technical_Professionals
Organization: Lotus Development Corp.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 20:13:53 GMT

In article <kfN3F=y00WBO44QBow@andrew.cmu.edu> lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura  
McGinnis) writes:

> One thing I've notcied about most job-sharing situations - the employees
> sharing the job are both considered to be "part-timers".  Part-time
> workers generally don't get benefits, so, for the employer, this can be
> a financial benefit (but a bummer for the employee, of course). 
> Consider that your employer pays 20-30% over & above your salary for you
> benefits, & you can see what kind of an advantage this can be to the
> company.


Not necessarily so - benefits often apply to half time and above. In this case  
if a job is shared equally, each half timer gets benefits.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kfreytag@mdtf14 (Kelley Trombly-Freytag)
Subject: Re: Starting bedtime rituals (Was: A few Questions)
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:50:16 GMT

About bedtime rituals ...

I notice many people say that a bath is part of the ritual. Now with older
babies (who crawl or walk or are messy eaters) I can understand this, but
I am wondering about younger babies, say about 6 months or so (my kids
age).

I only bathe her once 4-6 days or so. I do this so infrequently because
1) she doesn't seem to need it, doesn't smell, isn't uncomfortable
2) I don't want her skin to get dry.

I have fair skin myself and go nuts in the winter when I bathe a lot, even
with lotions, which I don't want to use on the baby a lot.

I do wash her face, hands and feet every day (or several times, depending
on amount of food/cat hair spread all over, etc.)

Does this seem unreasonable? Should I bathe her more often?

--
Kelley Trombly-Freytag
From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Potheads of the 70's Raising Kids
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:47:17 GMT
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1993Jan22.222804.14378@umiami.ir.miami.edu>, ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:

|> My husband has always wondered how come smoking is considered acceptable for a
|> recovering addict/alcoholic when they go the extreme of refusing to take an
|> aspirin, or to have novacaine for a tooth filling (true cases).  But meanwhile
|> they are puffing away like chimneys.

As I understand it (from both recovering drug addicts and alchoholics),
the people running the programs feel that the recoveree should NOT give up
all vices simultaneously.  The theory is that quitting everything cold turkey
will lead to an increased chance of failure.

That's the rational.  I don't know if it's backed by studies, statistics,
etc.

Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
From: kperdue@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Karla Perdue)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:23:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Looking for vacation suggestions in CA with 18MO
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: misc.kids


steve@crc.ricoh.COM (Stephen R. Savitzky) writes:

> The vacations I remember taking with my parents (other coast, but it
> doesn't matter much) were mostly extended car trips -- we'd drive to
> someplace, get a room, go to the local sightseeing attraction, spend
> the night, maybe another night or two if there were lots to see and
> do, then move on.  I suspect a kid might get bored with day hikes if
> the scenery wasn't different from day to day.  I'd suggest picking a
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> place where you can do something different every day.  The gold
> country comes to mind.  Hit the railroad museum in Sacramento on your
> way.  You might also check out the Mendocino area -- beaches, Fort
> Ross, etc.

I don't entirely agree with you.  I find that my daughter (at age almost
6) still does not pay much attention to the scenery (in the adult sense).
She like to play and is happy if she has a beach or brook or woods in which
she can play with things (rocks, sticks, sand, etc.).  So I don't think
change is so important as selecting an environment where the child can be
given some freedom to roam and explore.  It is really bad here is California
were so much of the woods are full of poison oak!!

Once she was old enough to really play with other children (by 2 for her),
it really helped to have a vacation WITH other families with similar aged
kids.  That way the children can play together and the parents can relax
and talk/read/etc.

Karla Perdue                 The opinions expressed are strictly my
Mountain View, CA            own and not those of Hewlett-Packard.
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Developmental Milestones Survey
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:58:42 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

Okay, here it is, the "official" :-) misc.kids developmental
milestones survey.  Please respond to me with the age your child
was when they hit the following milestones.  I will compile the
statistics.  I hope to get LOTS of responses so the statistics
have some meaning.  Since I have added some milestones, if you
already responded to me with ages, please do so again.

I will welcome any cute stories.  Please indicate if you wish to
remain anonymous if I compile the cute stories at the end -
otherwise I'll assume it's okay to post your name.

(Alan Jeddeloh:  no apologies necessary.  I loved the humorous
ones!)

-------------------
Is your child a boy or girl?

How old was your child (in months) when they:
1. first sat alone (even if pretty shakey) (this means stayed in  
   sitting position without support once placed there)
2. sat alone well enough to play with toys
3. got to sitting position without assistance
4. rolled front to back
5. rolled back to front
6. First crawled or other independent locomotion (this includes   
   bottom shufflers, bear walkers, and combat crawlers) (indicate 
   if other than crawling)
7. first pulled to standing
8. first started "cruising" (walking holding onto furniture)
9. took first independent step
10.stood up from sitting or other position in middle of floor     
   (without pulling up on something)
11.got first tooth
12.said first word
(and the obvious follow on)
13.what was the first word?


People suggested many more advanced skills, such as climbing or
crawling up or down steps, kissing, and climbing out of crib.  I
decided not to include these more advanced milestones, since
there is so much MORE variability in these than in the ones I
have listed.  (I'm going to have enough work to do as it is!)

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2.5 years, and Carrie, 7 months
Newsgroups: misc.kids