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From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE BET II
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:31:39 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Nov17.211007.26244@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
>
>
>  Ok, to show that Bills fans do have some sympathy, I will offer a vote to
> all Bills fans participants of the BET II. email your vote.
>
> VOTE YES:  The four Dolphin fans that were involved in the bet should
>            be allowed to post again until SB 27.
>
> VOTE NO:   The four Dolphin fans that were involved in THE BET II should not
>            be allowed to post again until SB 27.

I am voting NO!
Would they do the same for us? I think not.

>
>
> I am openly voting YES. I know it seems stupid, but I think they deserve to
> post on here. It's not like they act like Giants fans, anyway.. sheesh.....
> 
>
>
>   
>-- 
>delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
>
>
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>1988,1989,1990,1991 AFC East Division Champions
>1991,1992 AFC Conference Champions
>
>Hungry for some fish.. Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..
>
>If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
>so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.
>If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
>out of Green Bay...
>A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BILLS COALITION TAKING THE BET II.
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!  Oilers LOSE TO THE FISH!!!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:06:34 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: delarocq@c00509-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu




  You shouldn't whine about the doggone game. Look at what the Oilers did
 to K.C... Kansas City had Houston until J.J. Birden fumbled in OT!!!!!
 Don't whine... just remember the luck that the Oilers have, too!!!! :)
-- 
delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


      
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1988,1989,1990,1991 AFC East Division Champions
1991,1992 AFC Conference Champions

Hungry for some fish.. Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..

If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.
If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
out of Green Bay...
A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BILLS COALITION TAKING THE BET II.
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 12:28:45 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Over & Under

Does anyone hand an idea how "THEY" determine the over and under of games to
be played?  Is it the total points divided by the number of games, plus the sum
of the two teams?  Is defense a factor?
From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Steelers - Foster romps again
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:23:17 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <23NOV92.02475718@vax.clarku.edu> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>The Bengals are next! Don't forget to bring your broom.

If you need the broom, you could ask the Bengals for the one they used three
years in a row when they beat the Steelers 6 times in a row.

--dave

P.S. it may not be available because I am smacking Boomer over the head with
it.  Unfortunately, that's not doing any damage.  Hmmm...

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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: America's Team Crap (was Re: Thanksgiving)
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 22:02:40 GMT

In article <2208@shaman.wv.tek.com> danba@pogo.wv.tek.com (Daniel J Balza) writes:

>The reason I started hating the Cowboy's is because of this
>AMERICA'S TEAM crap.  I was just starting to think think that
>they were OK (new coaches, players. etc..) and now you tell me 
>they're going to start it all over again!!!  Nobody can tell me
>who my team is!!

No kidding!  I couldn't have said it any better myself.  I've always
hated the Cowboys because they tried to shove them down our throats
as America's Team.  And I too was just starting to like them a bit
because of their youth and rejuvenated organization (even though they
built the damn team with all of my Vikings' draft picks).  But now
they're doing it again... already one CBS halftime special on America's
Team.  Of course, I had extra reason to hate them since I grew up with
a bunch of relatives who were die-hard Cowboy fans who claimed that the
reason for the "hole" in the ceiling of Texas Stadium was so that God
could watch his team play.  (Gag, cough, wheeze).

Jim

-- 
Jim Jungbauer                 |  Go Vikings, North Stars, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu    | 
EECS Department               |  "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University   |     -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
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From: hall@pisces.jsc.nasa.gov (Philip Hall 283-4031)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Saints
Organization: MDSSC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:17:48 GMT

>Hats off to the Saints. I'm sure glad I'm not a Saints fan; I'd be
>pulling my hair out after the two losses to the 49ers which easily
>could have gone their way. Face the facts, though : the 49ers are
>the better team in the long run.

>Bob Marshall                     \\     "Women aren't as smart as they
>Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     think they are; they think we
>Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    men know a lot more than we
>marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   really do."

Look at it this way -

1st game - 9ers by 6
2nd game - 9ers by 1

Get the trend:

3rd game - Saints by 4

We're just setting you up for the game that really counts -

See you in January!



GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:19:01 -0500 
From: "Calvin D. Swartzentruber" <cs6t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Eagles starting quarterback

Does anyone know who will be starting as quarterback for the Eagles on
Sunday against the Giants?  God, I hope that its not Randall.  If it is,
they are surely doomed.

Hobbes

A loyal Eagle in Pittsburgh

The opinions expressed in this post are not necessarily held by my city,
my college, my family, or the guy who used to live next door to me when
I was a kid.

"Virtual reality has nothing on Calvin" Susie
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: blanchar@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Blanchard)
Subject: PT Willis to start for Bears
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:25:13 GMT


I heard on the news that PT Willis will start in place of Harbaugh
for the Bears -- although Harbaugh hasn't played awfully bad I think
this is a good move -- to give Willis a shot, he has shown promise
when he's played these last few years, even if it is at the end of
the game.

-- 
Dan Blanchard                                    Internet: barfmaster@uiuc.edu
Math / Computer Science student at             Bitnet: DBLANCHA@UIUCVMD.BITNET
the University of Illinois      NeXT Voice email: dlb54694@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
Elton John and Queen fan extra-ordinare
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Niners 21, Saints 20
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:56:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.230050.23162@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:

>More like "Third time's the charm!"  And that's what we want.  And if
>the Niners are playing the best ball right now (very possible), then the
>Saints are definitely a close second.

Dream on.  Niether the Niners or the Aints have the complete package.
The Bowboys still look like the class of the league, followed by Minnesota.
I still look for Philly to get it going by playoff time, too.  It's going
to be a rocky road for the NFC West.

Now if we could magically combine the Niners offense and the Aints defense...



-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Steelers - Foster romps again
Organization: Clark University
Date: 23 NOV 92 02:47:57 GMT

I didn't see the game, and the only stat I caught was Foster's 168 yards
rushing and 2 touchdowns. I think he needs only 30 yards or so to break
Franco Harris' team record.

Impressions, please! (And I don't mean comedy.) How did Brister look?
The defense? What's the team's injury status now? Any of the recievers
have a big day? I know that the score was 27 - 7 going into the 4th.

The Bengals are next! Don't forget to bring your broom.

Bart
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: GIANTS blow a big one.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:13:45 GMT

In article <98730@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
> ...GIANTS scored to make it 20-6.
>You just knew the were going to screw it up and sure enough, on third and long,
> Hoss nails a TD pass... right to Eagles LB Seth Joyner.  The interception was
> returned 43 yards to make the score 20-13 and the momentum was completely
> shifted to the Eagles.  The first half ended with Herschel scoring to make it
> 20-20.

No, the first half ended on an Eagles hail-mary pass that was intercepted
in the endzone.  On the Eagles possession before the hail-mary attempt,
Randall was intercepted in the endzone on third down from around the
Giants' 20.  This after the normally sure-handed Roy Green dropped a TD
pass in the endzone on first down from the same spot.

> During the second half, the offense barely had time to
> touch the ball.  Sekahema returns a punt 60 yards for the go ahead TD to make
> the score 27-20 Eagles.  On the next possesion, journeyman punter Ken Willis'
> punt is blocked and the Eagles are now 34-20.

C'mon, if you're gonna do a score-by-score analysis, at least get it
right.  Although, I guess you Giants fans were pretty shellshocked by
34-unanswered points:-)!

The Eagles took the second half kickoff and scored to take a 27-20 lead.
The score came on a Cunningham to Byars 38-yard score.  The Giants first
possession of the second half went no where and they were forced to punt.
It was blocked and returned by Ken Rose.  Eagles 34-20.  The Giants
next possession also resulted in a punt.  This time the Eagles set up a
return and Vai Sikaihema did just that.  The return went for an Eagles
record, 87-yards.  The PAT fialed and it was 40-20 Eagles after being
down 20-6 early.

> The GIANTS pretty much outplayed the Eagles for the first half but stupid
> mistakes on defense and a total breakdown of special teams just cost them
> big.

Replace "first half" with "first quarter" and I agree with you.  But
it wasn't only the Eagles specail teams, but the defense that also
turned the game around.

> go giants

And take the Jets with you!


E-A-G-L-E-S

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux1!jmd

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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: Congratulations to New England!
Originator: delarocq@c00044-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:09:35 GMT




  I just wanted to say congratulations to the Patriots today. No matter
 if you beat the Bills or not, no team deserves to go 0-16 except the
 N.Y. Giants and the L.A. Raiders... Great job!!!
 Patriots??? 37 points?!??!?!?  MAN!!!!! :) :)
-- 
delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


      
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1988,1989,1990,1991 AFC East Division Champions
1991,1992 AFC Conference Champions

Hungry for some fish.. Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..

If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.
If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
out of Green Bay...
A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BILLS COALITION TAKING THE BET II.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Eagles @ Giants
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:22:35 GMT

In article <97995@netnews.upenn.edu> nlatif@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Nor Azlisya Abdul Latif) writes:

>A newspaper here in Philly put the Giants as the favorite against the Eagles
>this Sunday.  Can somebody tell me why is that so?  What r the criterias of
>choosing which team is the favorite besides a home game?? Thanks in advance.

Easy.  9 days ago, New York beat Green Bay.  2 days ago, Green
Bay beat Philly.


-- 
      "C'mon, what's the big hold up?!  Let's go, up there!
		  Bring on the snow!"  -- Calvin

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Vikes should watch the Pack closely from now on.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:47:05 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


The Vikes are now 8-3 and seem set to be locked on the
NFC-Central title.  But, with all the woes the Vikes'-O
is facing and with a killer schedule coming up, the 
Vikes need to watch the packers (5-6), who are silently
creeping up the standings.

Not only that, but the Pack has considerably improved its
game and also now has a rosy schedule compared to the
Vikes. Let us compare the schedule of the Pack and the Vikes

         Vikes             Pack
         ------            -----
         @Rams            Tampa-Bay
         @Eagles           Detroit
         49ers             Rams
         @steelers        @Oilers (without Moon)
         Vikes will host the Pack for the final season game 

The Packers have a very great chance of winning all the
4 games before they head into the metrodome for a show down
with the Vikes.  The Vikes are in for a murderous schedule
and if the O does not improve, they might lose 4 out 4 before
running into the Pack. If this happens then the Pack will
be  9-6 and the Vikes... 8-7.   This will make it imperative
for the Vikes to beat the Pack for the Division title as
both will have a record of 9-7 and the Vikes will get through
because of a better divisional record.

To prevent this  scenerio from happening, the Vikes *HAVE*
to win atleast 1 game before they run into the Pack. Even
then they have to beat the Pack to get the Div title. To
make things comfortable, the Vikes *need* to win 2 games now.
Else, they have to look for some help from the Pack's opponents.
The possible Vike-wins will be the one at Rams (doubtful) and also
the home game with the 9ers (also doubtful). 
Traditionally, the 9ers have
not done very well at the Metrodome.

S.H

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:12:40 -0500 
From: Young-Soo Che <yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Monday Night...FINAL SCORE!
	<97953@netnews.upenn.edu>
Distribution: usa

First of all, I did make the Bet I,II, or III, because they're stupid. 
Taking all the bad calls into consideration, I am positive that the
no-call on the intentional grounding by Jim Kelly, was by far the WORST.
 That was the one that actually decides the game, because the Bills
would have been at 2nd and about 25.  The Dolphins would most likely
have gotten the ball back with about 3minutes to go, and we all know
that that's more than plenty of time for Marino to charge down the field
for the winning score.  
Everyone agreed that he threw it to avoid the sack, and that there was
no way he could have gotten the ball to McKellar.  He just let go of the
ball on his way down, and the momentum of his flight took the ball 2
yards in front of him towards McKellar.  And I'm not even complaining
about the pass-interference, and I'll say that it was a legit call.
One last thing, for those on the AAFC side for Bet III, why cheer on the
Bills?  They're just a wasted no hope team.  That's a reason to cheer
for the Fins, they can win a ring or two.
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades-Colts idiocy
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:56:36 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Nov11.191855.15325@leland.Stanford.EDU>, paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.141555.5585@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna) writes:
>>In article <96985@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>>
>>
>>Worst Moves(IMO):
>>
>>Bears giving up Wilber Marshall
>>Colts giving up John Elway
> 
> Are you kidding?  The Colts' front office looks to this move as the impetus 
> for their current rise in the NFL.

Yeah, but look who's the Colts front office...It's an Irsay.  Yes, Irsay, the
clowned prince of messing shit up in the NFl.  Ok, bidwill might be worse, but
it's a tossup.
 
> First of all, they couldn't have signed him.  If they didn't trade him he'd
> be playing RF for the Yankees.
> 
	Wrong.  

> They picked up Pro-Bowl OT Chris Hinton and a number one pick for him.  The
> #1 became OT Ron Solt, who was traded to the Eagles for another #1 who
> became Andre Rison.  Rison and Hinton were traded to the Falcons for the
> rights to #1 pick in the draft Jeff George.  This allowed them to trade
> Chris Chandler for a #1 which became Quentin Coryatt.  So trading Elway
> netted the Colts several pro-bowl players, some of whom have only passed 
> through.  They currently have a terrific nucleus of talent around which to 
> build a solid NFL team.  Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me.
> 
> Jason Gische

	What is this trash?  Are you saying that the Irsay clan PLANNED this?
Look, they got Coryatt, and George from JohnElway.  Call me crazy, but I think
10 years of John Elway would be FAR FAR FAR more valuable than a few year of
George and Coryatt.  Elway is a virtual lock on the HoF, George and Coryatt's
futures are up in the air.  Both, right now, are still rpospects for all
intents and purposes.  Neither has proven that they are going to be pro
bowlers, or even moderately good.  Coryatt's a rookie, and George, while I
think he will be a decent QB, will probably never be a John Elway.  I'd say
you'd be DAMN ignorantif you even argued that such a trade was even 50-50, much
less to the Colt's benefit.  Elway virtually single handedly got Denver to two
of their 3 SBs, and was instrumental in the third.  George'll be lucky if he
sees 3 playoff games the way the Irsays run things, much less Three AFC titles.
	-Skins fan
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From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Subject: Re: PRIME TIME'S PREDICTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:13:01 GMT



Actually i agree on 2 of your 3 picks... (see 'jason's predictions
week 12')... Green Bay over the Bears and New Orleans over
Washington... I do think you are over estimating how well San Diego's
offence will do... I think less than the 8.5 spread... but i have
heard some good arguments for it to be closer to 15...

jason
From: curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:38:46 GMT
Distribution: usa

From article <1992Nov17.050452.5783@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, by lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor):
> In article <26596@optima.cs.arizona.edu> curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson) writes:
>>SuperBowl evidence says nothing about how the 2nd place NFC teams would 
>>fare against the AFC champ.  
> But since there is no actual matchup, we have to make educated guesses.
> Records and the victory margin against the eventual champs would be
> good indicators. Case in point, pick the favorites of the following games:

OK, here goes.  Looks like we agree that it comes down to pure opinion
and that SuperBowl evidence doesn't demonstrate anything one way or 
another.

> 1986 Redskins (12-4) vs 1986 Broncos (11-5), Pasadena

Seeing as how Broncos beat the Redskins earlier that year (31-30 or
was this '87), I'd have to go with the Broncos in a close game.

> 1987 49ers (13-2) vs 1987 Broncos (10-4-1), San Diego

One of the better 49er teams.  But then again the Broncos were
4-1 against the 49ers in the 80's, so I'll rate it a toss-up since
it's on grass.

> 1989 Rams (11-5) vs 1989 Broncos (11-5), New Orleans.

The general rule is you'd have to be a complete idiot to take 
the Broncos in a Dome.  But I'd have to look at the Rams again, 
memory says that they were somewhat overrated due to close
games against SF earlier in the year.  

> 1989 Giants (12-4) vs 1989 Broncos (11-5), New Orleans.

In the regular season, Giants won 19-16 at the Meadowlands in
1986 and 14-7 at Denver in 1989.  It's another Dome game so
you'd have to take the Giants, but I wouldn't be surprised to 
see another closish game between these superior teams.

If you think that the Broncos collapse against supposedly superior 
NFC competition, then you are only looking at SuperBowls where 
Bronco collapses are routine, but at odds with their regular
season performances.  I chalk it up to the nature of the 
Big Game where blowouts are the norm not the exception.

And give the home-field advantage/neutral site blowout theory 
a rest.  Other factors are at play in NFC championship games 
such as resting starters, avoiding injuries, not showing tendencies, 
divisional familiarity, etc. that could easily serve to mitigate any 
blowout.  Likewise, the extra hype week and the pressure of the
Super Bowl can easily be seen as factors that work to scale up 
the Super Bowl blowout.

Once you get ranking blowouts down to a science, then perhaps
we can do some actual ranking, but certainly nothing suggests
that a 27 point NFC championship blowout is tangibly better than a 
40 point SuperBowl blowout.  A blowout is a blowout. 

Curtis Dyreson
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: THE PACKERS FANS ARE PARTYING TONIGHT, BOY!
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:31:25 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: delarocq@c00057-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu




   Now that the Chicago Bears got beat by Green Bay, they have totally gutted
 Chicago's chances at anything this year! Hooray! Yes!
   And also, picture Green Bay being second in the NFC Central, with a win
 over Tampa Bay, and other teams! The Packers could totally shatter everyone's 
 predictions. I have always said, if the Packers just get another star 
 reciever and a producing running back, that the Packers would be in the
 playoffs!!! With the win today, I believe that the winning tradition of the
 1960's will come back to Green Bay, and Chicago will take that oh-so-sweet
 nose dive into the cellar of the NFC Central. It's party time in the town
 tonight!!! :) :) :) A couple of good draft picks, and the Packers will
 complete their rise to the top! If only the Pack would have beaten Minnesota
 in the OT game, and playoffs would have been a possibility-no matter how slim!

 
-- 
delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


      
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1988,1989,1990,1991 AFC East Division Champions
1991,1992 AFC Conference Champions

Hungry for some fish.. Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..

If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.
If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
out of Green Bay...
A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BILLS COALITION TAKING THE BET II.