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From: cortesi@informix.com (David Cortesi)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: copy n paste with x-apps?
Keywords: X cut copy paste
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:34:01 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <k0MQrAKCBh107h@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US> steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB) writes:
>In <1992Dec29.190718.12787@informix.com> cortesi@informix.com (David Cortesi) writes:
>>We find a lot of restrictions/contradictions with copying text between
>>applications on a Sun platform. I would really appreciate any advice
>>and hints on how to make this work more predictably or regularly.

For most of these, steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB)
suggested:

>Try using the keyboard combo meta-y...
>Once again, try meta-y to paste into Maker.

Well, it appears that in Frame, meta-y is the same as middle-click.
That is, it pastes a copy of the text that is currently hilited
in any other window.  That's useful to know, but as far as I can 
see, it only duplicates what middle-click already gave me.

It does not let me paste text from the Sun text-widget (textedit,
mailtool, cmdtool) clipboard.  For instance, hilite text in a
cmdtool window and press Copy.  Now un-hilite the text (this is
important).  Go into Frame and hit meta-y; nothing happens.

Also meta-y has no effect on a Sun app window; that is, it does
not let me paste from Frame into a mailtool window.  All it does
is type the letter "y" in the mailtool window.

Thanks for trying, tho.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: ralph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Ralph Brandi)
Subject: Re: Problem updating chapter numbers in multifile book
Organization: Democrats for Broccoli
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:27:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.142915.6018@bmers18.bnr.ca> Phil Buxton  <PhilB@BNR.ca> writes:

>Who wins the battle?
>Is it the book that controls the numbering or is it the individual 
>chapters.

>I don't know but when I have run into this problem before, I ensure 
>that the para numbering is set to "Continue" for each chapter in 
>the book file and that each document has para numbering set to 
>"Continue" also.

>I think that FrameMaker is built so that there are some book overrides 
>but not all are consistent.  Maybe, if this works for you, we 
>will have some of the answer.

Nope, I was a step ahead of you, and had already checked to make
sure that "Restart Paragraph Numbering" in the "Document" dialog box
for each chapter was set off.  I just retried it, and it didn't make
a difference.  AUGH!

I'm on deadline this week, so I'm just resetting ChapterNumber
manually for now.  Boy, these sledgehammers sure kill flies
good....



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Ralph Brandi     ralph@mtunp.att.com     att!mtunp!ralph

R.I.P.  Red Barber, 1908-1992.  
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: halberst@world.std.com (jerry halberstadt)
Subject: editing index markers
Summary: how to find/replace text in index markers
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:12:28 GMT

One of my joys in life is to the *index* of a book; :-(

In the final stages one must do a few passes to reduce the diversity of
references, simplify, and unify. Then one finds a number of entries which
have the *wrong* wording, and they all have to undergo the same change(s).
If it were ordinary text we would use the Edit:find/change. However, when
working with Index Markers the Find/Change box allows us to search for a
specific text  phrase, but apparently it doesn't work to replace with a
remplacement string.  Unless I misunderstood....

For example,

widgets:small:green

and the sales department has renamed widgets as ducks.

the desired output is:

ducks:small:green
ducks:large:orange....
etc....

I realize that one can do (in a unix environment) replacements using 'awk'
etc., however no program can be as easy to use as (I hope) a built-in
facility. Or did Frame forget to build this one?

Working (still) in Windows 4896...

Any ideas?  Thanks!
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,cmu.cs.framemaker
From: bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas)
Subject: Interrupting FrameMaker
Organization: Software Eng. Inst.;Carnegie-Mellon U.; Pittsburgh, PA 15213   _USA_
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:56:01 EST


In 3.1X with the bug and tables, I often want to interrupt a
process such as an update to all paragraph formats. (The
update to all paragraph formats often takes several hours to
complete.)  

Is there an interrupt that FrameMaker interprets wisely?
(i.e., such that it doesn't abort the entire FrameMaker
process, just the current process of the "apply to all
formats"...)


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bjz@sei.cmu.edu			      Carnegie Mellon University
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: rohit@NeoSoft.com (Rohit Mehrotra)
Subject: Printer Selection under MS-Windows
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:18:23 GMT

Hello,
Is there a way to choose another printer other than the default under
FrameMaker 3.0 for MS-Windows3.1. I went into printer setup, however that 
only lets me choose different paper orientation etc for my default printer.

Related Question:
Has anyone written any macros/OLE/DDE for getting "WinFax Pro" integrated
with Framemaker. Winfax provides macros for MS-Word, not so for frame.

Thanks in advance.

Please CC your reply to rm@hounix.org
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From: manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Frame 4.0 (Was Re: No 4.0 for NeXT???)
Date: 27 Dec 92 01:25:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: columbia.1hkotpINNt94
Organization: Institute for Pure and Applied Eschatology
NNTP-Posting-Host: columbia.cs.ubc.ca

In article <1992Dec22.200411.27432@informix.com> cortesi@informix.com
(David Cortesi) responds to my remarks on why FrameMaker needs a
programming language:
>I sympathize, but you are overlooking a really fundamental problem.
>Programming languages like TEX's or troff's are founded on the idea
>of sequential time.  There is a "print time" at which your paragraphs,
>headings and etc. are executed, in a well-defined sequence.
>
>But Frame is WYSIWIG, so there CANNOT BE a concept of sequential time
>in a Frame document.  A document exists in an "eternal now" and 
>there is no moment at which your code could be executed.

Not so. Cross references and generated documents also must be updated,
and that's why FrameMaker has a number of update commands for exactly
that purpose. In any case, Interleaf TPS, Word for Windows, and Ami Pro
all manage to be WYSIWYG, and all manage to have embedded programming
languages (if you call Basic a programming language, in the case of the
latter two). Such systems typically update their `fields' either at
print time or at any other time requested by users. WinWord's mechanism
just allows predefined field types; Ami Pro has a (disgustingly crude)
mechanism by which fields can call any program, which may in turn insert
text into the document. 


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From: pla_jfr@sld64pki-nbg.philips.de (joachim friedrichs)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Problem updating chapter numbers in multifile book
Date: 30 Dec 92 12:20:28 GMT
Reply-To: pla_jfr@pki-nbg.philips.de
Organization: Philips Kommunikations Industrie AG Nuernberg, Germany


In article <1992Dec22.152700.21609@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, ralph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Ralph Brandi) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec22.142915.6018@bmers18.bnr.ca> Phil Buxton  <PhilB@BNR.ca> writes:
|> 
|> >Who wins the battle?
|> >Is it the book that controls the numbering or is it the individual 
|> >chapters.
|> 
|> >I don't know but when I have run into this problem before, I ensure 
|> >that the para numbering is set to "Continue" for each chapter in 
|> >the book file and that each document has para numbering set to 
|> >"Continue" also.
|> 
|> >I think that FrameMaker is built so that there are some book overrides 
|> >but not all are consistent.  Maybe, if this works for you, we 
|> >will have some of the answer.
|> 
|> Nope, I was a step ahead of you, and had already checked to make
|> sure that "Restart Paragraph Numbering" in the "Document" dialog box
|> for each chapter was set off.  I just retried it, and it didn't make
|> a difference.  AUGH!
|> 
|> I'm on deadline this week, so I'm just resetting ChapterNumber
|> manually for now.  Boy, these sledgehammers sure kill flies
|> good....

After changing the set up you have to generate&update files.

Xref: sparky comp.text.frame:3811 news.answers:4865
From: brighid@bass.lkw.com (Brighid)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: software  mapping tool w/ live links to Frame?
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:03:37 GMT
Organization: Lakewood Corporation


I'm wondering if anyone out there knows of a software mapping
tool that has live links to Frame.

As a second-best tool, anyone have any recommendations for
software mapping tools? (By this I mean that you feed it
either code or a data file and it generates menus, screens
and flows.) 

Our software runs under UNIX and DOS at the moment, and 
of course the two versions are slightly different.

Anyone have _any_ suggestions out there?

many thanks,

Brighid
brighid@bass.lkw.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: smehta@kwela.nynexst.com (Sandeep Mehta)
Subject: Palatino fonts look wierd in X11 version on Sun
Reply-To: smehta@nynexst.com
Organization: Speech Technology, AI Lab, NYNEX S&T Inc, White Plains, NY
Distribution: comp
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:26:42


For some unknown reason I cannot view certain Palatino fonts in any
Frame document that I open. They appear as garbage at the base of the
line except for the character 't'. I've had this problem with Frame
under X11 for the last few versions. Note, however, that there is no
problem while printing the same document. Any clues/fixes would be
appreciated.

thx.

/sandeepc
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: bill.zwicky@cray.com (Bill Zwicky)
Subject: Frame Users group in Minneapolis
Followup-To: comp.text.frame
Organization: Cray Research
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:59:11 CST

Does anyone know of a Frame Users group in the Minnneapolis/St. Paul
area?  A reply by email would be great!

Thanks,

Bill Zwicky
Cray Research
bill.zwicky@cray.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: todd@quest.UUCP (Todd Jahnke)
Subject: Frame User Group in Mpls.
Organization: Quest Research, Inc.
Distribution: mn
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:27:34 GMT

  The question of whether there was a Frame User Group in Mpls. was asked   
  recently, and the answer is yes, there is.  It is held the fourth Tuesday
  of every month at our office, Quest Research, in Burnsville.  E-mail me or
  call me at 612-894-7752 for further info and/or directions to our office.
-- 


                                             Todd
From: rscott@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Richard Scott)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Novice user ....... Questions
Date: 29 Dec 1992 22:58:54 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: attila.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Dec29.194843.8735@eng.ufl.edu> palkar@chaos.ee.ufl.edu writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I am new to Frame-maker. I would like to include several blank spaces  
> between words how can I do that. I am working on NeXT. I can insert only  
> one blank space.
> 
> Please help.
> 
> MALHAR

If you are using the spaces to line things up, you would be better off using  
tables, or setting tabs in the Format Paragraph dialog box.  But if you really  
need multiple spaces between words for some other reason, you can either  
uncheck the "smart spaces" check box in the Format Document dialog box or, it  
it's just an occasional need, type Alt-SPACE.  (I'm also working on a NeXT.)
-----
Richard Scott
Stratus Computer, Inc.
rscott@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: hamdan@iti.gov.sg (Outlander(KSL))
Subject: Help. Converting Word to Frame vice-versa.
Originator: hamdan@atlas.iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:33:32 GMT


Hi,

I have bought Filterpak from Frame. But the conversion from Mac Word4.0 to
Frame3.1 using the filters provided is not satisfactory. Another thing is the
inability to convert from Frame to Word directly. Instead I have to convert to
WordPerfect and from there convert to Word.

Does anyone out there know of any other filters whereby I could do a decent
transfer from Word to Frame and vice-versa? Please reply to me directly at the
following addresses:

internet: hamdan@iti.gov.sg
bitnet:   hamdan@itivax.bitnet
fax:    (65) 777 3043

Info on any other filters and the company from where I can get them is very much
appreciated also.

Thanking all in advance.

Always.....me!
Outlander.

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From: bobb@visionware.co.uk (Bob Bond)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: comp.text.frame
Date: 31 Dec 92 10:12:20 GMT
Organization: VisionWare Ltd., Leeds, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4



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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: ralph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Ralph Brandi)
Subject: Autonumbering page numbers for chapter TOC
Organization: Democrats for Broccoli
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:57:34 GMT

Okay, my first query was so successful I've got another....

I've got multi-chapter books with complex page numbers, autonumbered
with an invisible ChapterNumber tag.  In addition to the book-wide
TOC, the format dictates chapter TOCs.  But when I generate the TOCs
directly from the file, all I get is page numbers, no chapter
numbers.  The ChapterNumber tag is imported into the file
automatically for the title at the top of the page with a reference
on the Reference page of the original document as "Chapter <$paranum>"
with a tag of ChapterNumberTOC.

I've tried setting the page number on the Reference page to
<$paranum[ChapterNumber]>-$pagenum> and
<$paranum[ChapterNumberTOC]>-$pagenum>, neither of which work.
The only way I can think of to generate chapter TOCs which include
the chapter number in the page number given these circumstances is
to create a separate book for each chapter and use the "Set Up File"
dialog to set the prefix manually.  Has anybody got a better idea?

Ralph Brandi
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way to your grave / We should all just learn how to behave" -Will Rigby
From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Framemaker 3.1X has cross references confused ...
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:29:32 GMT
Distribution: bnr
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec24.204751.22080@bmerh85.bnr.ca> myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)  
writes:

> More than a bug it is a design issue - customers copying markers wasn't
> "figured into" the cross-reference scheme. We have had numerous
> customers call on this and it has been logged often - I will log it
> again with our engineers. The *only* way of fixing this is to *delete*
> the old marker and re-insert a brand new marker - you cannot simply
> edit the old marker.

> Frame Technology
> 1010 Rincon Circle
> San Jose, CA 95131

So, here's a feature request:
Whenever a user pastes text that contains xref source markers, up pops a dialog  
box: "Pasting contains xref source markers. Delete xref source markers before  
pasting?". The dialog box could be expanded to warn of other markers: index, etc.,  
with check-boxes for each. The check-boxes could stay set as defaults for the  
remainder of the session.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: sbrenner@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (scott.d.brenner)
Subject: Question About Footnotes and Different Formats on Different Pages
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:02:10 GMT

I'm new to FrameMaker, so I apologize if this is a silly question.

I've got several footnotes on one page of my document.  They're numbered
1, 2, and 3, and everything is fine.  On another page, though, I use the word
"MS-DOS."  I want to put a superscripted "R in a circle" (registered
trademark) after the MS-DOS and have what looks like a footnote at the
bottom of the page.  But instead of a number, I'd like to see another
superscripted "R in a circle" and then some text.  This is where I run 
into trouble.

If I change the numbering style in the footnote properties window to a
custom style using the trademark symbol, it affects *all* my footnotes
(as I'd expect).  It was suggested that I create a new paragraph tag
called "Trademark" that would be just like my "Footnote" tag.  I did this
and FrameMaker allowed me to create a footnote after the MS-DOS and tag 
the text at the bottom of the page with "Trademark."  Then I went back to
the footnote properties window, set the Paragraph Format name to "Trademark,"
and changed the custom numbering style to the trademark symbol.  
Unfortunately, this affected *all* my footnotes as well.

I found a line in a manual that said that footnote property changes affect
all footnotes.  OK, I've discovered that fact.  But why do I get to change
the "Paragraph Format" entry in the Footnote Properties window?  What
difference does it make what the tag name is if the changes affect all 
footnotes?

In addition to wanting to understand this, I'd like to hear from anyone who
has already found a solution to this problem.  Please send me email directly
because I don't get to read this group regularly.

a T d H v A a N n K c S e

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Scott D. Brenner                  AT&T Consumer Communications Services
sbrenner@attmail.com                          Basking Ridge, New Jersey 
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: phoffman@orac.holonet.net (Paul E. Hoffman)
Subject: Mac Frame users: wanna get together at MacWorld Expo?
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:56:39 GMT

Are there many Mac Frame users who are going to MacWorld Expo next week
in San Francisco? If so, we could pick a time and have an informal
meeting at the Frame booth so we could associate names with the
logins we see here. How about 2:00 on Friday the 8th at the Frame
booth? Is Saturday better for people?

>>Paul Hoffman
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From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Creating Postscript files
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:21:18 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec18.220725.10155@pony.Ingres.COM> corman@Ingres.COM (Anthony  
Corman) writes:
> We frequently need to create Postscript files for an entire manual
> or manuals; we've just bought FM for X Windows because it will
> enable us to do this in a batch. (Am I correct in assuming there's no
> way to batch this process on Macintosh?)
> 
> (1) I can use fmprint to print a book to a Postscript file, right?

I use fmbatch. It has a command "print". I use the command "fmbatch batch_file"  
where batch_file consists of sets of 3 lines like this:

Open ch05.frame
Open /tp/bin/batch_print 
Print ch05.frame /tp/bin/batch_print
 
where /tp/bin/batch_print is my print-settings file. I use a shell script to grab  
the names of all the files I wante PostScripted and put them into batch_file. Each  
of them gets "printed" to disk as a separate PostScript file.
> 
> (2) A print settings file is just a FM file from which fmprint
>     reads print settings; it's not some special formatted file, right?

Right.

> 
> (3) If I print a book to Postscript using fmprint and omit the print
>     setting file, does fmprint use the print settings for the book file?
I don't know.

> 
> (4) Do I get one great big Postscript file combining all the files
>     in the book, or is one file created for each file in the book?

Using the method described above, you get one PostScript file for each individual  
file. If you want one large PostScript file for a book, just open the book and  
"print" it to a single PostScript file.

> One problem with the above plan is how do I specify different filenames
> for the PS files? The files generated on the Mac have embedded spaces in
> the filename (chapter TOC, for example). Any problem when I move them over to
> the X Windows environment?

You should be able to handle spaces in file-names in a shell script, but it can be  
awkward. Just don't put slashes in your Mac filenames or you will have real  
problems on the UNIX side.

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From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Problem updating chapter numbers in multifile book
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:44:45 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec22.000922.734@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ralph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com  
(Ralph Brandi) writes:
> In article <1992Dec21.215340.27591@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ralph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com  
(Ralph Brandi) writes:
> 
> >ChapterNumber: R:<n+>< >< >
> 
> Whoops!  This should read:
> 
> ChapterNumber: R:<n+>< =0>< =0>

This would seem to be syntactically incorrect. To set a numbering stream to 0, you  
need a construct like <n=0>, as far as I know. Numbering can break down for reasons  
that do not make a lot of sense, like one space extra or omitted between < >, so  
you may get a strange result with < =0> as well. I haven't tried < =0>, though.
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