HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The origin of the _World_ Series
Keywords: history world series trivia newspaper
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:44:18 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

wwedward@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Wayne Edwards) wrote:
}
}As a Canadian, how the name "World Series" came about is not suprising since
}you (as Americans) tend to hype all of your sports to global proportions.  

It is a little obnoxious to call the NBA, NFL, and MLB champions
"World Champions", but keep in mind that even though the franchises
are not located throughout the world the players *do* represent, for
the most part, the best from throughout the world.  MLB is filled
with Dominican, Mexican, Canadian, and other non-US players.  Similarly
the NBA has a number of European players.  The NFL even has a few 
non-US placekickers, if not position players.  The leagues are open
to anyone in the world who can make the cut, and are generally recognized
as by far the best in the world at what they do.

Of course, including the Asian league, the South and Central American
teams, and possibly the Cubans in the World Series would make the winner 
a more satisfying "World Champion", but until that happens the MLB 
champ seems to be the closest thing to a "World Champion" we're likely to 
have.

}                                               Definitely not as flashy.  But
}then it is not as pretentious either.  Just like Canadians.

Clearly calling National champions world champions is not the only
way to be obnoxious.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

       "Death wears a big hat, 'cause he's a big bloke."    
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From: cwechter@cyclone.mitre.org (Christine G. Wechter)
Subject: Re: Key in game 5
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Distribution: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:05:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.005445.13678@nstn.ns.ca> maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern) writes:

>>>(Gerry Gryschuk) writes:
>>>
>>>  Cone simply didn't pitch well. 

>  Huh?  Cone pitched reasonably well.  You can't be perfect with so 
                      ***************
>  many errors behind you.  I'd gladly take 162 games pitched as well
>  next year, and would win the division by, oh, 15 or so.
>

It's all relative.  Cone didn't pitch well for Cone.  On the other hand,
he didn't fall apart as badly as he could've.  

I think he'll be up to snuff this weekend, though.


Jays in 6!

Chris 
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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: Pittsburg Fans
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:11:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.001459.19179@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, steph@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
|> James Francis Thomas <jt2t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> [snip]
|> >I say fair Weather Atlanta Fans because of my observations during game 5
|> >of the NLCS.  I was sitting next to a group of Braves fans, and I knew
|> >more about the Braves than they did.  They had no clue who Smith was,
|> >and they didn't know who Leibrandt was either.  I guess that these guys
|> >didn't pitch well enough this year for these fans to hear about them. 
|> >To add further to my amazement, they thought that the Braves had
|> >previously won a World Series before.  I'm glad that these folks aren't
|> >Pirate fans.
|> 
|> The Braves *have* previously won a World Series.  Most recently in '57,

  Obviously they were talking about the ATLANTA Braves, not the history of
the team before they arrived in Georgia.

-Ron



|> -- 
|> Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Gigabit Study Group 
|> 
|>   "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
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From: baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters)
Subject: Re: Who's winning game #6 - ALCS
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:11:04 GMT

Bottom 1st
    Joe Carter had a 2 run homer.
    Jays 2, As 0

Top 3rd
    Guzman struck out the side.

Bottom 3rd
    Maldonado followed Olerud's run-scoring ground rule double with
a 3-run homer.  LaRussa brought in Parret (sorry about spelling if
its wrong), to get the next batter for the 3rd out.
    Jays 6, As 0

Top 4th
    Guzman throws just 5 pitches to retire the As in order.  As don't
have a hit yet.

Top 5th
    Steinbach and Wilson got back to back singles for the As first hits.
Guzman got the next batter to popout, then struck out Blankenship.
R. Henderson looked at strike 3.  Fans erupted.

Bottom 5th
    After Maldonado's single put runners at 1st and 2nd, nobody out,
Gruber SAC bunted toward 3rd.  Borders SAC fly scored runner from
3rd.
    As   0  2 0
    Jays 7 11 0

Top 5th
    McGuire singled home Sierra from 3rd, breaking the shutout.  Guzman
got Steinbach looking for the 2nd out.  WP lets runners advance to 2nd
& 3rd.  Wilson struck out swinging.
    Jays 7, As 1

After 6 complete (Honeycutt now pitching for the As)
    Jays 7, As 1

Top 7th
    Announcers wonder how far Guzman can go with just 3 days rest.
He's still keeping most of his pitches down.  Fox, who reached on
a walk, stole second with 2 outs without a throw from Borders.
Alomar made a nice play on a one-hopper to end the As 7th.

Bottom 7th
    McGuire, in catching a foul pop-up for the 3rd out, fell over
a photographer.

Top 8th
    Gaston replaced Guzman with Ward to start the inning.  Guzman
had thrown 100 pitches.  Baines hit a 1 out gapper for a double.
McGuire grounded out to Gruber.  Wilson struck out.

Bottom 8th
    Jays have scored 2 more.  Alomar's RBI single tied a record for
hits (11) in an ALCS.  Winfield given a standing ovation when he
comes to bat with 2 outs.  There it goes, deep to left field...
curving...foul.  Then he strikes out.

Fans on their feet, anticipating...

The As need a miracle.

Jays fans: looks like you finally got your World Series.

{ sigh ANOTHER expansion team gets to the WS, while my #%!&^*($& CUBS,
well, you know.... }

If you can't get to a TV, CBS radio affiliates have it - here in Denver
that's KYBG 1090AM.

Gregg
From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Unified Stathead Theory
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:14:45 GMT
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept

Warren Usui writes:

>Finally I ran it 12,500 times for a total of 100,000 games, and 
>the total number of runs scored was 314159!  I now propose the
>following algorithm for computing pi, one that I believe to be
>completely original:
>
>	1. Take an average baseball team
>	2. Randomly insert one player into the lineup who always strikes out 
>	3. See how many runs that team scores.
>
>As this series continues to infinity, the average number of runs scored
>approaches pi.

Warren,

Before you attempt to publish this, I think you should know that a Greek
philospher named Arkivaughanes developed the same algorithm many years ago.
It is really just a related-rates problem and it can be shown that your
result follows from the fact that to score a runner must circle the bases.

Bob Davis
From: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 1992's MLB Award Winners
Date: 8 Oct 1992 18:30:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Yutzboy Huckabay) says:

>
>>>Next MLB superstar pitcher:Brien Taylor
>>
>>Who??  I think even thought he is somewhat well know, John Smoltz
>>is the man.
>
>Smoltz already qualifies.  How about Roger Salkeld?  Anyone can
>predict these guys.  Anyone care to try to guess the next Juan Guzman?
>Someone that the club doesn't protect, and isn't taken in the Rule V
>draft?
>
>How about Reggie Harris?  I watch that guy throw, and I wonder how
>anyone can get a hit off of him.

   I would guess Rhodes to be the next "Juan Guzman", but Harris would be 
quite a ways down my list.  I've never seen him pitch, but it doesn't look
like anyone had trouble hitting him this year.  Wasn't his ERA around 5.60?


SfH
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From: 910252m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Dwayne MacKinnon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: boo jays
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:50:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Acadia University

bellswor@mach1.wlu.ca (bob ellsworth s) writes:


>let me count the ways i hate you boo jays:

>reason 792: jays fans insist on waving the canadian flag at home/away games
>implying (somehow) that this is a canadian baseball team. WRONG. it is
>an american team. please don't wave my country's flag at you fuckin'
>dome no more.
> 
>reason 1001: i feel the reason most people in TO (at least) hope for
>this stupid team is because it (somehow) brings american recognition 
>to their stupid city. they (jays fans) get so annoyed when american
>(cbs) announcers do not drool over their stupid baseball team like
>the local (dickhead) commentators do.

>reason 40995: they bought all their good players anyway.

>reason 45: the way the team treated r. ducey (lest we forget dickhead
>jay fans as we use the term WE oh so loosely)

Mate, I'd say you've got a serious attitude problem. You see, the team is 
based on Canadian soil. That makes the TEAM Canadian. I don't care that most
of the players are from the States. The organization is based in Canada. That's
enough for me. Therefore, I feel that it's perfectly appropriate that fans wave
the flag at the games. As for your second reason , I don't know about that. Then there's your third reason. Face facts. Baseball is a big-money game. That's the reality. If you want good players you have to pay for them. Finally, to 
conclude, don't you think you can find some way to give your opinion without 
resorting to profanity? It really is a waste of time, and since this is a 
print medium, it does nothing to impress people.

DMK
Acadia University, Nova Scotia, Canada.

Go JAYS!!!!!!!!!!
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From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: More on Morris (Was Re: Bonds in Game 4: The Last Straw)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:50:58 GMT

In <1992Oct12.042917.24082@access.usask.ca> (Gerry Gryschuk) writes:

>that psychotic?). Therefore he knew he could give up 5 runs and the Jays
>would get 6 to win, unfortunately Gaston pulled Morris and Stottlemyre gave
>up that extra run thus forcing the game to extra innings. This must have really
>shook up Jack since he no longer had control over his vision but the Jays
>bailed him out anyway.

>Then again, the announcers were saying how Morris thinks Stottlemyre is so
>much like him, so maybe Morris has taught Todd this psychic trick and he used
>it to forecast that he could afford to give up that run.

I noticed stathead fave Tony Larussa playing for the single run in the
very first inning.  At least Larussa has a little respect for Morris.
Morris did stink though didn't he?

(Did you see that nice play where Griffin went home and threw out the runner?)

rm

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roger maynard                    
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From: mmitchel@msd.gatech.edu (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Top of 9 may have been it
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:00:59 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) wrote:
}
[Re: Hypothetical Braves 10th inning and beyond]

}The big problem would have been no pinch-hitters for the rest of the
}game.

Javier Lopez was still on the bench, and Tom Glavine has been
used a pinch hitter a few times this season.  (He even had a
pinch hit and a pinch walk!)

Also Cabrera had just batted for the pitcher's spot, so the Braves
would have been back to the top of the order in the 10th.

--
Mark A. Mitchell      Georgia Tech      mark.mitchell@matd.gatech.edu

"A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous.  Got me?"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com>
Subject: cito manages reasonab
Reply-To: "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Oct 92 12:08:55 EST

sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes

SH>I agree that Cito threw away yesterday's game to the As.
SH>Why Morris in the 9th when u have fire-ballers like Ward.

The magnitude of Gaston's error was obvious in game 3. Ward was not
sharp because of lack of work.

Letting your starters pitch 9 innings is bad when you have great
relievers who need regular work.

    STEPHEN
    ^^^^^^^
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From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NL OPI Final
Date: 8 Oct 1992 15:50:43 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard) writes:


>In a previous article, schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) says:

>>sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard) writes:
>>
>>
>>>In a previous article, schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) says:
>>
>>>>      0.74*1B + 1.28*2B + 1.64*3B + 2.25*HR + 0.53*BB + 0.34*(SB-2*CS)
>>>>OPI = ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>                              AB - H
>>>>
>>
>>>  Specifically, what is OPI designed to measure?  I know what BA, SLG, and
>>>OBP mean, but this OPI formula is.  It looks like something/outs, but what
>>>is that something?
>>
>>It stands for Offensive Production Index.  I have tried to scale the numbers
>>so that it should be "Expected" runs per 9 innings.  If you look at the
>>team OPI's they are about 0.400-0.450.  This would equate to 3.6-4.05 runs
>>per 9 innings.
>>
>>

>    But, AB-H looks like outs, not innings.  Also, where do the coefficients
>come from?  Are they the value in runs of a given event?  For example, is a 
>single "worth" .74 runs?  

The values are in the same ratios as the following numbers which I received
from a fellow netter.

1B	1.0
2B 1.74
3B 2.22
HR 3.04
BB 0.72

Kevin
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From: 00bjgood@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The Ex-Cub Factor
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:17:09 GMT


 
> Oh, I do *so* look forward to the fall, when the latest batch of all-knowing
> freshmen are turned loose on the internet.
For one thing I am not a freshman, I posted on this newsgroup quite often last
year. Maybe I was a bit out of line, but it just pisses me off to hear arrogant
people like you rip on the Cubs just because everyone else does. Yeah it's fun 
to joke around about the Cubs. But your post was just a bit much. 
> Excuse me for being prickly. It's early Sunday morning and I haven't had my
> minimum daily requirement of caffeine yet, but really, is there any need for
> this kind of remark?
> 
> --->Paul, resident net.old-fart
> 	  (obligatory slam of Richard Nixon and Iron Maiden left as an 
> 	   exercise for the reader)
Now who is the no-it-all? I didnt rip on anything but an arrogant post, 
while your rip on things you obviously  know nothing about. But this shouldn't
even be on the newsgroup, if you have any more intelligent comments
please feel free to E-mail me.
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From: psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NLCS Game #5 at 9:41
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:08:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct12.170357.5813@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>>Why is it?  With a man on third a out the walk and the out produce exactly
>>the same result - NO RUN!
>
>*That* time, it produced no runs.  Next time, perhaps Jeff King will
>hit a 2-RBI double?  Or a 3-run HR?  Or maybe just get a single to
>drive in the lead runner himself.

Excuse me but were in the OPB stat, or any other stat for that matter, is
Jeff King's "potential hit" reflected?  When a hitter steps to the plate it
is his job to produce, period!  It is not his job to step out of the way and
give the guy behind him a chance to get the hit, which is exactly what this
walk did.  

It could also be argued that with two outs and a runner at third and the team 
down five runs, Jeff King's assumed hit might be more valuable as the lead off
hit of the next inning.  

If your arguing that taking the bat out of the hands of one of the top hitters 
in the game and placing it in the hands of a significantly less qualified hitter
and leaving it up to him to drive in the run, is a positive thing, you're 
wasting your time.  I rather take the out and hope for a lead off hit from King
with the chance to pinch hit for the pitcher.

PSG
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:38:29 -0400 
From: Bill Thomas <bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh Fans


A few comments on Pirates support that I haven't seen yet:

1. Most Pirates games are on television, including home games, on either
a broadcast channel or a cable channel. This is probably a mistake. I
think the Pirates would draw better if they ONLY televised away games
and created a pay-per-view system for home games. As a loyal Pirates fan
(I attended 12 regular-season games, Saturday night's playoff game, and
have a ticket for game 1 of the series) I wouldn't be thrilled to see a
cutback in televised games, but I could live with it. Business is
business, unfortunately.

2. Three Rivers is a lousy baseball stadium. There are probably 30,000
decent seats. Nearly ALL of the outfield seats are bad. I sat in
generally the same place for a game at Three Rivers and Camden Yards. By
far, Camden Yards was better (of course, it's one of the best parks).
There is nothing about Three Rivers that is intriguing or romantic that
makes you forget its weak points (like there is at Fenway, Wrigley and
others). It's an antiseptic, misguided, early-'70s idea of the stadium
of the future. The Bucs should leave it to the Stillers and build a
smaller, more clever park for baseball (the mayor proposed this once but
was widely criticized; hey, she's not a great mayor, but I loved the
idea).
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 20:46:36 -0400 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Random musings upon perusing Baseball Weekly statistics

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 7-Oct-92 Random musings upon
perusin.. kasper@sscvx1.ssc.gov (2621)

> SS NL           4.59                    Jay Bell 5.07   Offerman  4.23   .84


Jay Bell lead in range factor?  I thought last year he was last or at
least close to the bottom.  That is really weird.
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 13:21:53 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bonds "choke"?
 <1992Oct2.022729.14677@cs.cornell.edu> <Bvv81A.2I2@bunker.shel.isc-br.com>

He needs to relax! Kinda of reminds me of Orlando Cepeda in the 68' series
against Boston, he thought he would kill the green monster, instead the
green monster killed him.
From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Flannel Is A Religion Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: HELP!  NL Stats Needed DESPERATELY!
Date: 11 Oct 92 02:34:25 GMT
Organization: Machiavelli's Copyright Lawyers, Inc. [Minnesota Division]

HELP!  Donald Hearth's posted stats only halfway made it to our site!
I only got the AL stats!  I NEEEEEEEED the NL stats, pronto!  Could some
kind soul PLEASE mail them to:

zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu

PLEASE!  I need to have the numbers out to our simulation league before
the next ice age, and I'm working 55 hours a week, taking 12 units of
courses, and just generally frittering away my time.

HEEEELLLLLPPPPPPP!

Please send those statistics today.

Don't make me hire Sally Struthers to do a 'starving SDCN' commercial.
Things could get ugly.

"Won't you please sponsor a Stats-Drunk Computer Nerd like Harold Brooks?
 Harold's extremely lovable, and very seldom goes on GM killing binges."


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From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Random musings upon perusing Baseball Weekly statistics
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:42:11 GMT

The McWeekly fielding statistics made me wonder a little bit:

Why no 1bmen range factors?  Couldn't we at least make a guess from assists?

Mark Lemke 4.73 Rng
Jeff Treadway 4.88 Rng

Statistical fluke?  Or has Lemke somehow hypnotized Bobby Cox into thinking
he's playing for his defense?

Ron Gant (LF) 1.96 Rng (one of the worst)
Dave Justice (RF) 2.42 Rng (The best)

I've always considered Justice a better outfielder than he's given credit for,
but this is suprising.  You would think Avery, Glavine, and Leibrandt would
give Gant more chances.  What gives?

How long before DA gets into McWeekly?
--
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Morris: more fuel for this debate
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 04:10:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.154242.2351@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:

>>4 additional losses is a lot.
>
>Ya know, I really don't believe there's THAT much difference to the team.

Ya know, an MVP is only worth at most 8-9 games.
>
>>In addition, I was assuming he would get the same number of decisions that he
>>got in Toronto.  The Angels bullpen blew a few for the Abbmeister.
>
>Why not run your PT with the number of runs given up in each game (0, 1, 8, etc)
>instead of his overall ERA.

I don't have those numbers, unfortunately.
>
>BTW, how did Abbott's record come out when you ran HIS ERA/Run Support through?

10-12.  However, as I said, the bullpen blew a number of leads for the
Abbmeister.

"In order to let Morris have Abbott's ERA, you should cut off his left hand."
	- John Stuart Mill :-)

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