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From: 907fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Is Vadar thick or what?
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:09:25 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Nov19.003522.26014@ll.mit.edu>, shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:
> In article <1edhp7INNjir@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> cstadcd@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr A P Jerrison) writes:
>>
>>When Luke and Leia are talking about Yoda in Book 1 they conclude that he
>>hadn't been found because of the cave's "dark" Force cancelling his as an
>>electron and proton do.
> 
> (for the physics or EE literates only)
> 
> Couldn't the Force-dipole be detected?

	Probably not.  For distances --> oo  the dipole would seem like a
point charge.  However, depending on how close the elements were, Darth
may have been able to sense something had he landed on Tatooine.

	Dave "Y-Wings, Boba Fett, and AAE majors are Cool" Fanjoy


Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: sche7135@mach1.wlu.ca (Scott Schelter u)
Subject: Dark Empire #6
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:53:28 GMT

       In the fan comments pages (letters) of Dark Empire #6 Dark
Horse indicates to the readers that there is a star wars newsgroup
(echo) on Fidonet. They indicate that the signal is bounced aroun to
a lot of small (ie local) BBS's. Among the people who frequent this
group is Tom Veitch, who wrote the Dark Empire series. 

       I would like to get in on this echo, but being fairly new
to nets I really don't know where to look. ( I get the Usenet
through my school's computing services, but have my own 486 with
Fax/modem) Somebody please give some background. Post, 'cause
i'm sure I'm not the only one who might like to hear about future
Dark Horse projects in advance. (Dark Empire hinted that they wanted
Tom to work on future projects)

       Thanx a bunch
       Scott      Email sche7135@mach1.wlu.ca


Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: medwards@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Matt Edwards)
Subject: Found in a box!
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:56:40 GMT


While searching through my Star Wars toys, I came across 
the medal that comes with the large size Han Solo figure.
Since I don't have him anymore, is there anyone out there who
needs it?  I'll trade it for something else.  

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: flowerpt@coos.dartmouth.edu (Bill McGonigle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Cute dinosaur scene cut from SW
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:56:46 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <16NOV92190405@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu> dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu writes:
>
>I'd wager you are remembering a scene from the Star Wars Holiday special, 
>where Harvey Korman drank a glass of liquid in this manner.  It didn't 
>involve someone else doing the pouring, though.

Actually, Bea Arthur (sp?) as the bartender did the pouring. 

-Bill
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From: hale@bbsls84.BNR.CA (Dave Hale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lucas:  director vs. producer
Date: 16 Nov 1992 16:31:38 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe
Distribution: world
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In article <Yf1IQka00iV1I1ucZT@andrew.cmu.edu>, rr2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ryan E. Rasmussen) writes:
|> 
|>    It is my understanding that most people feel that the trilogy goes
|> downhill from Star Wars:  A New Hope.  Obviously Star Wars has a special
|> magic as the one that started it all, but to me, Empire is the best of
|> the three, or at least the equal of its predecessor, and Jedi is the
|> weakest.  Jedi certainly has its high points, such as the space battle
|> and Luke and Darth's duel, but it still doesn't quite match the first
|> two.  Why?  I think that Richard Marquand botched the directing job (the
|> Ewoks were too cutsie, too).
|>     What am I getting at?  Well, it seems to me that except for Empire,
|> Lucas' best films are the ones that he directs, himself.  I would hope
|> that if he does the first trilogy, he will direct them as well, though
|> this hope is probably in vain, since he seems to have gotten lazy as
|> executive producer.  Spielberg did a tremendous job with the Indiana
|> Jones trilogy, but I have my reservations about him touching any Star
|> Wars films.  Who does anyone think would serve as an adequate director
|> for the prequel trilogy? Ridley Scott comes to mind.  Reportedly, Lucas
|> offered Joe Johnston, who directed The Rocketeer, the job of directing
|> episode 1.  Johnston said he would only if he could do the entire
|> trilogy, and Lucas declined.  I would be highly distressed if Ron Howard
|> even came close to directing a Star Wars film -- it would be a disaster.
|>     Let's get a discussion going -- on directors and which of the three
|> movies is your favorite and why.


My favourite was ANH because although the special effects improved across the three films,
ANH was the most believable. The worst film for me but the best special effects was ROTJ.
I think the Ewoks detracted from the film because they were too cute, they made the latter part of
the film look a bit namby pamby. Also the characters were much too over confident for an
acceptable level of realism. I mean, If you were stood in front of Jabba the Hutt and all his 
henchmen, would you have been as cocky as Luke was. Also they way in which Jabba was defeated
looked too easy. TESB must come a close second to ANH because it WAS believable. 
The empire was shown as something to be feared, As they came off better in the end.

If the prequel trilogy is made, I hope there is good continuity between them and ANH.
If they use up to the minute special effects in the prequel trilogy, it might make the actual
trilogy look very out of date, if you watched them all in order.

just my 2p worth
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:22:38 -0500 
From: Joshua Jacob Prinsky <jp67+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Super Star Wars, X-Wing

To anyone who has Super StarWars already:

How is it?
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From: kmcintyr@unix1.tcd.ie (Kenny McIntyre)
Subject: Ord Mantell
Summary: .
Keywords: Bounty Hunters (OOH!)
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:30:10 GMT

In ESB Han says he is leaving because of the trouble he had with bounty hunters
on Ord Mantell. (Or something to that effect anyway). 
I never thought about this too much. Then recently I bought SW Classic #1.
Lo and Behold where does Han and the others (Luke, Leia and Chewie) end up
going ... Ord Mantell. And guess what who is there ready to haul in Han ...
Bounty Hunters. 

I really enjoy finding these tie-ins. 

Kenny.


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From: rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr)
Subject: Special Effects (Was: Lucas:  director vs. producer)
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:11:30 GMT

In article <1e8idaINNfu6@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> hale@bnr.co.uk writes:
>My favourite was ANH because although the special effects improved across the 
>three films, ANH was the most believable. 
[Some Stuff Deleted]
>If they use up to the minute special effects in the prequel trilogy, it might 
>make the actual trilogy look very out of date, if you watched them all in 
>order.

One thing I noticed when I sat down to watch all the movies at the same time
for the first time (many years ago), was that both Empire Strikes Back and
the Return of the Jedi redo many of the special effect scenes that were
presented in Star Wars, and in all cases, they are visually better.
The ones I am thinking of are:

1. Star Wars has the Cantina at Mos Eisley.
   Return of the Jedi has Jaba the Hutt's Court.

2. Star Wars has the "asteroid" scene when the Millenium Falcon comes out of 
   hyperspace in the mist of the destroyed Alderaan.
   Empire Strikes Back has the famous asteroid chase scene.

3. Star Wars has the Falcon making a hyperspace jump.
   Empire Strike Back and Return of the Jedi have the Falcon making a
   hyperspace jump.

4. Star Wars has the Death Star.
   Return of the Jedi has the Death Star II.

5. Star Wars has the final space battle fought by the Death Star.
   Return of the Jedi has its final space battle fought by the Death Star II.

6. Star Wars has a light sabre dual between Darth Vader and Obi-Wan Kenobi.
   Empire Strikes Back has a light sabre dual between Luke and Vader.

7. Star Wars has stormtroopers firing on the Millenium Falcon before it
   leaves Mos Eisley.
   Empire Strikes Back has snowtroopers firing on the Falcon before it
   leaves Hoth.

There are probably many more, but I hope you understand what I mean.

I realize most of these comparisons are contrived, but I have heard
that George Lucas was unhappy with the special effects in
Star Wars, and I wonder if he included the above things to see how it 
could have been done with the proper technology and special effects.  It
makes you wonder what Star Wars would have been like if George Lucas 
made the film just ten years after it had been made, assuming the 
technology (which ILM created most of) was up to par with that in 
Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.

					Ron

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: nnhill@david.wheaton.edu (Nathan N Hill)
Subject: Re: Lucas: director vs. producer
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:56:46 GMT

In article <1ea6glINN73e@mozz.unh.edu> ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>>    One person we definately don't need doing Star Wars is old Tim Burton.
>>'Nuff said.
>>
>>                                     -Ed
>
>Enough indeed!  AARGH, Tim Burton would ruin the whole dang thing.  I'm mad
>enough he's doing something in Disney now.  Ick.
>
>Anyway, Joe Johnston (who is a likely candidate, it seems) would make a
>WONDERFUL Star Wars director, IMHO.  I think he could do a very decent job
>of it, adding a subtle new flavor but still keeping Star Wars in the same
>classic tradition.  I'm actually rather glad Spielberg isn't going to do them,
>although I think he's one of the best directors to have ever lived -- the
>reason is Spielberg's style is very distinct, and I don't think it would mix
>well with Star Wars.
>
>Ho hum.  Any other thoughts out there?

If the writing were truly good and Lucas watched over carefully, Tim Burton
might not be so bad; his problem is that he directs movies with shitty
writing, or at least that's how I understand it. Still, he's certainly not my
first choice.

Agreed about Spielberg. Stevie is...well...schmaltzy. Star Wars doesn't need
any more schmaltziness, does it? RotJ's biggest problem was that it was too
sentimental for the series. Spielberg would have aliens even cuter than the
Ewoks...need I say more?

If Richard Marquand is still alive (I don't think so) we sure don't want him
back. 

Joe Johnson ("The Rocketeer") might be fun, but I hear he said he wanted all
three or none.

My vote's for the return of Irvin Kershner, but Lucas won't have it. He had
some complaints about TESB, that kershner was getting too intellectual ?! or
something.

Any other ideas? In reality, Lucas will probably choose a no-name we've never
heard of. He's famous for that. I just hope he makes the next trilogy more
like ESB than the other films...

							local Star Wars guru
______________________________________________________________________________

"You bet your asteroid." --Ham Salad

					Nathan Hill (nnhill@david.wheaton.edu)
______________________________________________________________________________
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lucas:  director vs. producer
Date: 17 Nov 1992 13:29:59 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov16.124041.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.003311.10675@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, flowerpt@coos.dartmouth.edu (Bill McGonigle) writes:
>> In article <Yf1IQka00iV1I1ucZT@andrew.cmu.edu> rr2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ryan E. Rasmussen) writes:
>>>
>>>Wars films.  Who does anyone think would serve as an adequate director
>>>for the prequel trilogy? 
>> 
>> Who wants to see Philip Noyce direct one of these?  I thought Patriot Games
>> had the best direction of any movie I saw this year. 

>> Of course I'd be happy with Robert Zemeckis as well.
>
>No no no no no no!  "Who Framed Obi-Wan Kenobi"?!?  Please.  Zemeckis is good
>at what he does, but I don't think that what he does is good for SW.
>
>I would like to see Peter Weir (WITNESS, DEAD POETS),
>                    Renny Harlin (DIE HARD 2),
>                    or the return of Irvin Kershner!!
>		    How 'bout Frank Oz?
>		    Heck -- I'd rather see Danny DiVito than Zemeckis!!!

	I've got to agree on Zemeckis - he's great with light-hearted fantasy,
but directing a serious movie, I don't know.

	How about Nick Meyer (STAR TREK 2 & 6), at least for the first one?
His ST movies were the best of the bunch, showing him to be good with the sf
elements and (not unimportantly) one of the most important things he did in
those is to bring back familiar characters the way we remember them while at
the same time introducing new characters (Carol & David Marcus, Saavik, Chang,
Valerus) who don't take a back seat.  The fact that he quite clearly enjoys
doing space battles is a plus too :).  He'd probably be a good choice to get
the first trilogy established on firm ground.

							-Jay
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:02:34 EST
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: home alone

In article <1992Nov21.085704.3458@sarah.albany.edu>, gm1116@albnyvms.bitnet
says:
>
>(I forget his name).  Yes, the movie was horrible, but the actor
>is very good, iin my opinion.  At least, I thought his charector in
>"My Girl" was played very well.(And I'm not ashamed to say I cried when
>he died)
>
>-Gary A Mort

Yeah, Gary...thats great...
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From: wggray@mothra.syr.EDU (William G. Gray)
Subject: Re: Archives
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 13:46:12 EST

In article <1992Nov20.144730.2209@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> cbulmer@mta.ca writes:
> I'm new to this telnetting business so this si probably a stupid question.
>I keep hearing about this Star Wars archive. I would really like to get into
>it but how? It keeps coming up with a login which I don't have. I try the
>FTP symbol but then it wants a password. Please help(I really want to see
>some of those .gif files).  
>                                Thanks.
Just login "anonymous", and type whatever you want for a password.
From: ss@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Archive News. New GIFs
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:18:21
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu's message of Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:45:10 GMT

>>>>> On Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:45:10 GMT, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) said:

mcmahan> Why are these gifs so *small*? They're the smallest gifs I've
mcmahan> ever seen...

I just make them available as I get them.....



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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Jabba the Hut
Date: 22 Nov 1992 01:14:25 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:


>>Mara?  Who's that?  (I didn't read past the first few chapters of the
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Zahn books.)  However, given what I have read, I'd be really surprised
>>if Zahn actually came up with something creative on his own.


>THAT'S why you have this undying hatred of Zahn's books.  I couldn't figure
>it out until now.  "I can't teach him.  The boy has no patience."  Well, avoid
>Zahn if you like, but it's your loss.

No, by the first few chapters, he had already bastardized the Star Wars
Universe so much that I couldn't bear to read any further.  Not that
Zahn isn't a good writer.  From what I've heard, his novels are very
interesting and action-packed.  The problem is that they are foreign to the
Star Wars concept.  I can't stand it when people make references to these
books when attempting to explain something or other.

I mean, those Han Solo and Lando books were written in the true spirit.
They were good.  Why can't Zahn do the same?

keith
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars movies coming out?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 02:07:57 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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"David D. Schwartz" <ds7n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:


>Pardon my naiveness, but could someone tell me if there are to be
>sequels coming out within the next year or so?  I heard some rumors
>recently that Timothy Zahn's stories were considered the official
>continuation of the saga and would thus be made into films.  What about
>the three stories prior to Star Wars?  Anything planned there?  Any
>information would be appreciated.

No, no, no!  Read the FAQ.  Those novels are anything BUT the official
continuation of the saga.  Arrrghh!  Blasphemy...

keith
From: HDW@UCSVAX (H D WALDEN)
Subject: Re: New Star Wars actor.
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:32:31 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <9211191657.AA06888@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> PHT007%SIRIUS.UKC.AC.UK@ib.rl.ac.uk writes:

> 
> Well after reading all the discussions about whether or not there is going to
> be a new movie, I would like to ask a question.
> I seem to remember hearing several months ago on the radio, that the young
> actor McCorley McCaughlen (Or however it is spelt), the kid from Home Alone and
> My Girl, had been signed up for the new star wars movies along with all the old
> actors. My question is did I hear right and basically does anybody know the
> truth?
> 
> Much appreciated,
> 
> Dirk Gently, Holistic Detective.
> 



	OH GOD, I HOPE NOT!!!!!!! Signing on MacCauley Culkin would be a major
( and I mean MAJOR ) mistake on Lucas's part!!!

				_"There will be no one to stop us this time!"
From: Jeffrey.J.Olson@dartmouth.edu (Jeffrey J. Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: fake episode three
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:32:51 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Ok, maybe this is a FAQ: What's the story behind "fake episode three"
in the archive?  Is this something put out by Lucas or somebody to fake
us all out or what?
From: 907fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: New Soundtrack/Video release
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:27:49 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

	I just went to a gaming convention in Kalamazoo, MI.

	Some guy I ran into had a CD version of the TESB soundtrack, and
it had a painting of luke standing next to a tauntaun with a faded sky
featuring the MF and a Bespin cloudcar (The normal cover is space with a 
silvery Vader mask, also one the cover of the new RPG).
	I asked him, and he said that they'd just released the soundtracks
again, but this time they were uncut (eg, the ROTJ soundtrack has a track
called "The Death of Darth Vader," the deep choral part in the Emperor's
throne room!).

	The same guy said that they were about to re-release the videos, 
which would include missing scenes like the infamous Biggs scene from ANH
and the scene in TESB where a snowspeeder crashes into General Veers's AT-
AT, killing the crew (it's in the novel).

	Now, I know this all sounds too good to be true.  BUT, 
since this was brought up by someone who seemed to know what he was talking
about, I want to know if anyone else has heard similar things.  I was in
too much of a daze to ask this guy where he got his information from.

	Is this guy on crack or do we have something to look forward to
in the near future?


		--Dave "Y-Wings and Boba Fett are Cool" Fanjoy

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SEEKING:  Tall Boba Fett Figure.  Will pay or trade, any condition.

	I've found everything else.
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From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Penis prices
Date: 21 Nov 1992 14:08:46 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <8f3bnvS00iV0E2AINO@andrew.cmu.edu> Robert Alan Danforth <rd2b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>  $15 for one penis card is ridiculous.  Those cards were printed in
>>big sheets, with all 66 different cards of the series on a sheet.
>>Therefore THERE ARE THE SAME NUMBER OF PENIS CARDS IN EXISTENCE AS
>>THERE ARE ANY OTHER "TWO-STAR" CARDS.
>
>I was under the impression that actually very few of these cards were
>printed...
>Think about it... there should be all together the same number of card 207
>as there are any other card.  But only a few of card 207 had the penis on it.
>So doesn't this mean that the card is actually quite rare, relative to
>the other two-star cards?

When the penis card was released, no one caught it until it was too late, 
way too late.  Topps ran an entire first printing which included the
penis card. When they ran the second printing, they changed the penis card
but didn't run as many off. Therefore there are LESS corrected cards than
penis cards. Now this doesn't mean that the corrected card is worth more.
No one wants that card and thus the penis card is more valuable. The 
penis cards is rare since the design was changed. i.e. When the second
printing went out all the other cards remained the same therefore there
are more of the other cards than either version of 207.

$15 is not a bad price. It's fairly cheap in fact. I've seen them go as
high as $50.

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From: bstdenis@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Brian St. Denis)
Subject: TIE fighters
Organization: Fort Worth Research and Development Center, Motorola, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:27:52 GMT
Keywords: TIE

I remember being told what the "TIE" in TIE fighter meant but I can't
remember it now.  What does it mean and how do you know?

Thanks.

-Brian

"The ability to destroy a star is insignifficant compared to the power of
the force."  - Darth Vader, SW