From: justin@mik.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Mac & IBM advocates read this!
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:55:26 GMT
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Skip 'AdaX' Sauls writes
> Mac & IBM advocates:
> 
> Just out of curiosity, what other newsgroups do you guys read?  I sometimes
> read the Mac groups but I cannot ever recall seeing any posts by Corey Hauer
> or Justin Sullivan, but Evan Torrie seems to show up on occasion.  As I do
> not frequent the IBM/PC groups, I do not know about about the posters there.

Justin Sullivan posts to the comp.sys.mac groups frequently..
 
> This is not meant to start a flame-war (although I would not be surprised if
> some fool edits the post to make it look like it is), I just want to know 
> whether or not you read and post to other groups.  After reading the Mac 
> groups I can see why you would rather hang around here, as they are usually
> boring unless Apple has recently introduced some new technology.  I used to
> think that comp.sys.mac.advocacy was needed, however, Mac owners seem to be
> past the insecure stage that Amiga owners (myself included) are stuck in.

They do tend to be quite tedious, yes. You will notice, however, that you see  
"help me fix this problem" "what exactly does this do.." and such, not "To hell  
with some other computer!" It's a much more useful set of groups.. VERY few  
flames. I don't remember seeing any sort of flame lately (but I could have  
missed one :). Oh well..
Insecure may be the word to describe Amiga users. They have many reasons to  
believe that they have a nice platform, and it's easy to see how they COULD  
believe that.. :) But there systems make up a very small part of the computing  
world. The future of the machine and the company that made it seems to be  
uneasy, at least here in the US. Looks like it will go the way of Atari; who  
knows?
Then there is the other possibility, which seems to be true in many cases..  
Amiga people have no clue as to what is available on the Mac. Anyone who says  
MacPaint is a usable piece of software is out of their mind. Anyone who says  
MacWrite or MacDraw are nice packages is also a lunatic. Anyone who believes  
the 8*24 GC is a "modern" piece of hardware has been under a rock or something.  
The Mac used to be a novelty item.. Now it is a very comfortable environment  
with very nice software that supports productivity.. :) <not meant to sound  
like an Apple commercial>

> While I have shouted "go away" as loudly as other Amiga advocates here, I
> realize that without you guys here to constantly annoy us, we would have 
> very little to talk about.  It also proves that the status of the Amiga has
> improved considerably over the last few years.  We used to argue with the
> Atari ST owners while the Mac and IBM owners just ignored us.  Now, the ST
> is dead, the Amiga lives on, and Mac and IBM owners somehow feel threatened
> by the Amiga, even though we do not have SVGA, QuickTime, OS/2, Pink, Casper,
> SoundBlaster, etc., etc.

"Threatened" isn't the word.. "Insulted" tends to fit better. That's just an  
opinion (one told to me by a colleague, not my own).. I always wondered how  
Amiga people could say that Mac users feel "threatened" by Amigas.. There  
aren't that many, and the machines in use generally fill one of two niches:  
Games (sorry, but why do you think the A500 still sells? :) or very specialized  
functions (as in video). Oh, you forgot one thing.. If it wasn't for the damn  
TOASTER, Amiga people would not really have that much to talk about, even with  
all the flames here..
 
> Considering how little the Amiga has changed/improved over the years, it is
> amazing how the attitude towards it has.

The degree of hostility in Amiga users is equally astounding.. :)
Just a friendly post.. No flames intended, none expected. E-mail welcome.

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