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From: sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Rifled barrels
Originator: sew@condor
Keywords: barrel
Reply-To: sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:59:58 GMT


In article <1992Sep29.192240.1389@ifi.unizh.ch>, kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep23.020806.6311@pony.Ingres.COM> pab@Ingres.COM (Phil Bloemink) writes:
|> >In article <1992Sep22.181025.17521@cl.cam.ac.uk>, iap10@cl.cam.ac.uk (Ian Pratt) writes:
|> >>
|> >>I've heard the term 'rifled barrel' mentioned on
|> >>several occasions in this news group.  Do they
|> >>just mean barrels with a spiral of holes drilled
|> >>in them, or do you really have rifled (i.e. not
|> >>smooth bore) barrels in the US - you sure as
|> >>hell can't get them in Britain yet !
|> >>
|> >Well from experience, I have difficulty in deciding whether the 
|> >internally or externally rifled barrel is really better. In terms
|> >of distance and accuracy, I think they are just about even (Smart Parts
|> >vs. Armson), but this is usually a topic of some controversy.
|> >
|> 
|> well, i have had lots of opportunities to test the armson barrel on F1,
|> Z1 and VM68. the best imnprovement in accuracy is on the Vm68, since f1
|> and z1 are quite accurate out of tyhe box. i haven't tried the helix bit
|> yet. we made our own for refernece. the problem wiht smart parts
|> barrels is that when a ball breaks, the paint clogs up the holes and the
|> only way to get it out is with water. on the asrmson, a standard squeegy
       
    If you're on the field when this happens, all you have to do is turn
   the gun upside down, fire it once just in case a round stays in the chamer,
   and put your hand over the end of the barrel and fire off a few bursts of
   air. Works great for me. I've really only had one bad day with ball
   breakage, but I'm positive it was from bad paint. They were easy to 
   break between my fingers. Come to think of it, that's the only time
   I broke any balls. 
|> will do. we have had very good experience wiht the armson barrel in
|> range and accuracy.
|> 
|> on a nother note, i've heard smart parts barrels, and they silence the
|> gun quite a bit...

   definately. With an extra silencer on the end they're REAL quiet.
|> 
|> cu
|> -pete
|> 
|> 
|> 
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From: ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Franklin Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: paint use
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:58:11 GMT
	<1=+pvk#.albertw@netcom.com>
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hey you guys got uptight over that amount of paint.  Blaming me for
driving up prices, don't you think that is a little silly.  Paintball
manufacturers sell their paint for about as cheap as they possibly can,
I can guarantee you that no-one is gettin rich but the distributer of a
field that forces you to use inflated cost paint.
The other comment about not wanting to play with us, just about every
team that we have played has always gotten something out of the
experience and at all have been real happy afterward, well not all, but
you know how sports are, no-one likes to get smoked.  If there are any
players out there who have ever plaed us please write in, I would like
to know what you thought, place it anonymously if you want.  I would
also like to hear some of the gossip that goes around fields from teams
who have or haven't played us.  I would like to get a sense of the
public opinion about our team and how we can get it or keep it a good
one.
I have heard a lot of stuff about how we cheat and that no-one could win
as much as us and not cheat and all that, there is nothing that I can do
about these rumors but to say that they are not true and that we do not
have a single wiping penalty against our team at least since I joined.
                            Zander of the IRONMEN
From: billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: paint use
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:00:16 GMT
Reply-To: billc@zippy.UUCP (Bill Carter)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Austin TX

In article <selt=z_00iUz87IowN@andrew.cmu.edu> ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Franklin Rose) writes:
> On an average day of practice I wll shoot 2000-3000 rounds with my
>Bud Orr pump gun, it has a hand built auto trigger but other than that
>it is essentially stock.  I don't know why other people use more, it may
>be due to the terrain in New Mexico, but I am not sure.  I know my paint
>consumption doubled when I had a sponsor picking up the tab.  At a
>tournament I will shoot over a thousand rounds in a single game and
>maybe get one elimination.  However the two crawlers that I am covering
>may get the crucial three eliminations that blow a side and win the
>game.  Something to think about.
>                                Alexander Rose of the IRONMEN
> 
   I'm sure free paint would bump my consumption way up as well.  If
   I shoot 1000 rounds in a day my wallet comes away smoking.  I can
   understand the rationale behind shooting that much in a game, however.
   You imply that you are laying down floods of intimidation/suppression
   fire to cover the advance of crawlers.  This isn't what I would call
   a real intellectual approach to paintball, but I can see how it
   would win games.  Makes it hard for the self-financed to break into
   national tournament play, however.

   Personally, I see it as a weakness of the tournament system.
   Couple an unlimited budget for paint with a little cheating at
   critical times and you can't hardly lose.  Not indicting you or
   the Iron Men, Alexander, I wouldn't know.  Incidentally, are you
   using a Bud Orr Sniper, and why not use an Autococker if your
   job is to keep their heads down?

   -Bill Carter
From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: CA Tanks available
Keywords: CO2 CA Paintball
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:32:27 GMT
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich

the f1 works fine with standard bottleds, but is more consisten if used
wiht a siphon, although it's a pain top get it below 300fps on siphon.

has anyone ever needed an on/off valve?


cu
-pete


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From: tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ronin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Help: With Scotts Mask
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:59:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvEnEF.MBE
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Hi, I just brought a Scotts Thermal Panarama Mask.  The problem that I have 
with it is that it really didn't come with instructions on how to take the 
lens off the mask.  I am afraid to damage the mask and the lens when I try to
take the lens off the mask.  Any pointers on how to do this???

Thanks in advance!!!!
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Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 20:07:51 -0400 
From: Alexander Franklin Rose <ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Questions for IRONMEN

Answer to Bullseye paint quality and availability question,
     
"I've heard good things about Bullseye paint, but it doesn't seem to be
carried 
in many shops. Is this the choice of the shops, the distributors, or the 
company itself?
 
Also, what is the retail price per case?
 
Have you found any noticable differences in its performance matched against 
other paint?"
   The availability in stores is somewhat limited, mainly due to George
Statlers preference of mail order and therefor eliminating the middle
man and giving you cheaper paint.  I am pretty sure that you can get the
paint for around 4 to 4.5 cents a ball especially when buying more than
one case.  The cases are 1500 ball cases which can make buying several
much cheaper.
    The paint is the best that we have found out there and therefor we
shoot at practice and at all tournaments that allow us to bring our own.
 I don't say this because we are sponsored, the reason we are sponsored
by Bullseye is because of there product.  Our team has a choice of all
the sponsors at the beginning of the year and we have always gone with
bullseye because George is a good guy and his product is the best.  The
best colors are Turbo Yellow and Turbo Day Glow Pink the pink being the
only paint that we shoot at tournaments because it is impossible to
wipe.  Yellow is probably the best shooting color made by bullseye and
is what I use at practice because I don't like to stain my own teamates
camos with the pink.
    So give George a call and make sure to tell him that Zander of the
IRONMEN refered you and you might get some extra special treatment.
                Thanks for the questions keep 'em coming.
                            Zander of the IRONMEN

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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: machine guns
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:39:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Sep28.125231.17911@philabs.philips.com> sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman) writes:
>
>>(on the otherhand I heard than marines train with Apez elite, hmm...enl..)
>>-- 
>>" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
>>space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck
>>
>>HenryC@Panix.Com
>
>
>  The marines train with real weapons. They use a special 'bullet'.
So much for Apex's claim to fame.  :-)

Is the simmunition anymore harmful to the human body than a regular 68 caliber
paintball?

-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: wedwards@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: F1 pin/ was C/A Tanks
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:31:32 GMT


>>>
>>will they also handle calls on broken connecting pins? we kill one every
>>outing or so.... any solutionm to the problme yet?
> 
> Whoa!  You're talking about the pin that connects the lower and upper
> bolts?  Sounds like something is seriously wrong here.  I'm not saying
> it doesn't happen from time-to-time, but *I* don't know of a single
> person that it has happened to.  I'll have to ask around about that.
> 
>>anyone know anything of an F2?
>>
> 
I have heard of the connecting pin breaking.  Check the cocking handle that
skrews into the striker.  If it's too loose the pin may drop down and get
snapped off.  If the pin is too high it may catch on the hole where you insert
the pin.  Be careful not to over tighten the cocking handle or it will cause
the striker and bolt to misalign.  The gun will then act as if low on air
because it can't cycle properly with the increased friction.  Your best bet is
to replace the cocking handle and/or its washer if worn and always use lock
tight on the cocking handle's threads.  Then you can make sure things will not
come loose and you don't need to over tighten (I try to tighten it just a
little more than hand tight).

F2?  

Walt Edwards
From: haldin@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Thermal Lens Knobble Deformation
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:35:45 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

We've had a strange problem with JT Thermal lenses and would like to
know why and what it is.
The problem is that we've got small knobbles on the inside of the
Thermal lens. The knobbles look like drops but are deformations in the
plastic. Our guess is that these knobbles (between 0.2 and 1.5 mm in
diameter) have been caused by spray from paintballs that break against
the side of the mask (we all use JT X-fire masks) or the goggles.
If anybody out there knows what can cause this, let me know.

Michael Haldin
From: tazumar@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ronald Tazuma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: whine whine
Date: 25 Sep 92 18:12:18 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

In article <181@mindlink.bc.ca> Brad_Murray@mindlink.bc.ca (Brad Murray) writes:
>> Joseph R. Granto writes:
>>         If the game have become spray and pray, that is because REAL combat
>> is spray and pray.  Ask any vet who has seen combat; my dad was a platton
>> seargant in Viet Nam, and would not let anyone go on patrol without at least
>> 500 rounds, and he didn't allow any full autos in his platoon (other than
>> the 50 cal.).
>>
>>         Paintball has had to change quickly in order to catch up to that
>> which it simulates: COMBAT.  If you don't like it, don't play.  Or find some
>> other whiners who want to go back to the good ole 1800s when semi-autos didn'
>> t exist.

Wrong, with that type of philosophy were going to have computer
controlled missles and nuclear paintbombs.  Now how much fun would that
be??  It would be ' Who could outspend the other team'  funny that sounds
like the good ol' US vs USSR back in the cold war days.

I hope we keep technology under control, increase the mental and human
tactics involved in the SPORT.  It isn't WAR.

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Brad Murray                                        Brad_Murray@mindlink.bc.ca
>"Never trust a man in a blue trenchcoat--never drive a car when you're dead."
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Brad- I agree with you totally and would seek out more people like
yourself.  Ever up in the Seattle area?

ron
From: dwj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID W. JONES)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Auto-Trigger for Bud Orr Sniper
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:18:45 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Zanders,

Can you tell me how you went about putting an Auotrigger on your Bud Orr pump.
I'd like to add one to mine.

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From: haldin@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Information needed
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:05:21 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <glock.74@chip.cba.ufl.edu>, glock@chip.cba.ufl.edu (Joe Granto) writes:
 
> Question to everyone in general (yeah I know it's an old one...):
> What CA pump out there is VERY easy to take care of AND is of HIGH quality?
> 
> I know that Trracers are a snap to field strip, but I don't like the 
> quality.  I really like Pirannhas, but there are a pain in the ass to 
> clean.  What I want is a blend of the two: great range/reliability combined 
> with easy and quick clean-up/field-stripping.  Durability is a big factor, 
> also.

I've put more than 30000 paintballs through my Apex Elite without other
problems than occasional ball breakage (usually due to mistimed or
intensive auto-trigger pumping).
The gun is very well made and is, in my humble opinion, one of the most
accurate guns available (modified or unmodified).
It is not as easy to field-strip as some guns, in part because the
barrel is fixed and you have to open it from the back to clean the bolt
etc., in part because you need to open 3 screws (with 2 different
wrenches/stupid!) to do just that. It takes me just under 5 minutes to
completely field-strip and clean the gun, on the field and under fire.

Since the barrel is fixed and the bolt and the power-tube assembly is
high quality from the start, the Apex Elite is pretty unmodifiable. The
only modification I use is a muzzle break, sometimes a silencer, both
which marginally improves accuracy. I also use a 200-round completely
silenced (from within) hopper and a Mirage Red Dot sight. 

One of the few 'accurate' guns I've never had a chance to test is the
Sniper (by Bud Orr). I've got a friend playing in another team that
swears by that gun (so much so that he is the only one still using a
pump in that team).

Although there are differences in gun quality, accuracy and ease-of-use
it is the combination of gun/player that needs to work (the player
beeing the more important part). I've learned to use and trust my Apex
Elite and I have yet to find a gun I'd like to exchange it for (and I've
used almost every gun on the market, one time or another). This doesn't
say anything about pumps vs. semis, or the Apex vs. other guns, it
is a matter of personal opinion (just like what sort of clothes you like
to wear). So, test different guns and select the one you like, not the
one most people tell you is the best one, or the one with best specs on
paper.
From: dwj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID W. JONES)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Thermal Lens Knobble Deformation
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:55:08 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Oct2.123545.1@cc.helsinki.fi>, haldin@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>We've had a strange problem with JT Thermal lenses and would like to
>know why and what it is.
>The problem is that we've got small knobbles on the inside of the
>Thermal lens. The knobbles look like drops but are deformations in the
>plastic. Our guess is that these knobbles (between 0.2 and 1.5 mm in
>diameter) have been caused by spray from paintballs that break against
>the side of the mask (we all use JT X-fire masks) or the goggles.
>If anybody out there knows what can cause this, let me know.
>
>Michael Haldin

Perspiration will cause small marks in your lens.


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From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: Machine Pistol?
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 17:06:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: rec

In article <1992Sep26.132626.19551@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>In article <3a!p9!n.albertw@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
>>Yes, this gun actually exists.  I believe it was called the Mac 85 or Mod
>>85, something like that.  It's pretty much outlawed on most of the fields
>>in the area.
>>-- 
>I thought the M85 went into disuse because of sheer impracticality.  The round

Well, that too.  It went down the same road as the full auto smg-60/68(?),
none of the local fields  I have played at allow these things anymore.

>-- 
>" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
>space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck
>
>HenryC@Panix.Com


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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: paintball on a budget
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:37:28 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <w7R4RB2w165w@tsoft.sf-bay.org> bbs.rchen@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Rodney Chen) writes:
>Hello...I'm a little low on $$$ so I can't spend much.  With CA, 
>Pump/Auto-Trigger, Bulk Loader, etc...for around $250, can I get a 
>reliable gun?  Please e-mail any reponses...thanks in advance.

This is a great year to buy a pumpgun.  Prices have dropped so much in the past
12 months.  For $250 you're in striking range of getting a Bushmaster, Phantom
, Apex Elite or a LAPCO Grey Ghost.   I heard the PMI-Traccer is quite a sturdy
gun.  You can get a PMI-Traccer and CA tank drastically less than $150 by mail
order and the local retail store would probably charge $10-20 dollars more.
Adventure World, formerly Wolf's Lair, rents out the Traccer.  I spoke to some
of the staff and their only complaint was the sluggess response from PMI in 
obtaining replacement parts (the Traccer isn't 100% nelson parts compatiable).
There is quite a number of aftermarket accessories for the Traccer ranging from
bottomline kits to Bud Orr barrels.

The other commonly seen rental pumpgun is the Tippmann 68 II.  The gun is built
like a tank so don't worry too much about abusing it or lending it out.  Its a 
shame Tippmann doesn't lower the price of the SL-68 II to compete with other
pumpguns.  On the otherhand, Tippman's superb support service justifies the
premium price.  If your Tippmann gun ever breaks down, you'll never have to 
pay for the repair except for the shipping charges.

For $250 you might want to consider getting a PMI-3 semi-auto.  At most you
wouldn't need to learn how to auto-trigger or work the pump; frees you up
to do things like fire backwards while you retreat or fire repeatedly from
a prone position.


-- 
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space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: aalder@nrchh088.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Al Alder II)
Subject: F1 vent hole
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc. 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:48:12 GMT

>bottle's valve has closed, of course).  Excess gas is vented
>through this.  It's a lot more "comfortable" than having it
>wildly vent all about and it helps preserve CA tank O-rings.
>Been playing with the idea of providing my F1 with a similar
>feature, but haven't worked-up the guts to go drilling into
>it :-).

>I wonder why the other manufacturers haven't picked-up on this
>neat little feature.  Every player I've seen that has a
>Spitfire, has used one, or has seen this feature in use, likes
>it a lot.


I don't know what version of the illustrator you are using, but 
my illustrator has a vent hole as you are talking about.


Al Alder 

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From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: Machine Pistol?
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:47:47 GMT

there are several replicas of guns (1:1) available which shoot 6mm
paint...

cu
-pete


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