HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Chris.Knight@f99.n121.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Knight)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Sources, part VI
Date: 27 Dec 92 22:21:42 GMT

Alumni Arts
BOX 553
Grant's Pass, OR 97526
Reproductions of college diplomas.  Catalog costs $3
 
Merrell Scientific CO.
1665 Buffalo Road
Rochester, NY 14624
Chemical suppliers.  Catalog costs $3.
 
K Products
P.O. BOX 27507
San Antonio, TX 78227
I.D. Documents.  Catalog costs $1.
 
City News Service
P.O. BOX 86
Willow Springs, MO 65793
Press I.D. cards.  Catalog costs $3.
 
Matthews Police Supply CO.
P.O. BOX 1754
Matthews, NC 28105
Brass knuckles etc.
 
Taylor
P.O. BOX 15391
W. Palm Beach, FL 33416
Drivers license, student I.D. cards, etc.
 
Liberty Industries
BOX 279  RD 4
Quakertown, PA 18951
Pyrotechnic stuff for the destructive steak in all of us.  Catalog costs $1
 
Doyle Communications
Route 8 Box 18
Lake Pleasant, NY 12108  Ph# - 518.548.5515
Sells literature on scanning frequencies and hard to find lists government
and other unlisted frequencies.
 
De Voe
P.O. BOX 32
Berlin, PA  15530
Sells information on making electronic detonators.
 
MWK Industries
1269 Pomona Road #110
Corona, CA 91720         Ph#1 - 714.278.0563      Ph#2 - 800.356.7714
Sells lasers and laser related products.  Free catalog.
 
Renegade Graphix
928 Lovell St.
Kalamazoo, MI 49007      Ph# - 616.344.7447
They make t-shirts and hats for the Computer Underground.  And "A portion
of all proceeds goes towards short-circuiting the control process".
 
H & W
P.O. BOX 4
Whitehall, PA 18052
Human Skulls, arms, legs, etc. for the sadist is everybody.
A complete list is available for $1 and Self Addressed Stamped Envelope.
 
Abbie-Yo Yo Inc.
P.O. Box 15
Worcester MA 01613
This place might not still be around, but it can't hurt to try.  They used
to sell, "Steal this Book" by Abbie Hoffman (who was sort of a radical
hippie type), founder of YIPL which would later become TAP.
 
                 --- Phone Equipment Distributors ----
 
Contact East         508.682.2000
Specialized Products 800.866.5353
Central Supply       800.228.4598
North Supply         913.791.7090
North Supply line #2 913.791.7000
ATI Supply           818.889.9236
Greybar Electric     314.727.3900
Lincoln Supply       800.228.0062
Anixter              312.677.2600
Alltell Supply       404.447.8410
Telecom Gear         800.542.7279
 
------------------------
- Papers and Documents -
------------------------
 
Crime & Puzzlement - by John Barlow
 
The Bawdy World of the Byte Bandit.  A Postmodernist Interpretation of the
Computer Underground - by Gordon Meyer & Jim Thomas
 
Concerning Hackers Who Break into Computer Systems - by Dorothy E. Denning
 

 * Origin: NineJackNine (1:121/99)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Cyberpunk Books..
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:25:12 GMT

Can anyone suggest a good printing house or book store to order
cyberpunk/cyberspace/VR books from?
Email me at the bottom address:


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Is it OK to be stupid?
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 23:47:43 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher) writes:

> This should be fun to watch, fasten your seatbelt and await a firestorm.

I sorta expected that, but when you're out of coffee....

> P.S. Good point.

Let's see if anyone else thinks it is.
--
Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
                   "I'm a family man, model citizen."
                                      -- Warren Zevon
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Subject: Re: Is it OK to be stupid?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:15:37 GMT

>Why do we coddle him?

Yikes...You're gonna get a lot of flames about that. Expect to called a Nazi
a few times, accused of using neo-darwinism to support your genocidal views
etc..

I mentioned something similar to this.. Sink or Swim, give everyone an equal
chance and if they blow it through stupidity let them sink.. (There was more
to it but that's the gist) and some people even got the idea I was out to get
young unwed mothers...

This should be fun to watch, fasten your seatbelt and await a firestorm.

P.S. Good point.

--

Clayten_Hamacher@Mindlink.bc.ca                 Land of the rising snow.
From: Chris.Knight@f99.n121.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Knight)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: SOurces, part v
Date: 27 Dec 92 22:19:12 GMT

Bigger Secrets - by William Poundstone
How to get Anything on Anybody - by Lee Lapin
Signal--Communication Tools for the Information Age - ?
Neuromancer - by William Gibson
The Shockwave Rider - by William Gibson(?)
Information for Sale - by John H. Everett
Hackers Handbook III - by Hugo Cornwall
Datatheft - by Hugo Cornwall
The International Handbook on Computer Crime - by U. Sieber
Fighting Computer Crime - by D. Parker
Foiling the System Breakers - by J. Lobel
Privacy in America - by D. Linowes
The Spook Book - ?
Spectacular Computer Crimes - by Buck BloomBecker
Steal This Book - by Abbie Hoffman
 
------------------------
- Catalogs of Products -
------------------------
 
Sherwood Communications Associates LTD.
1310 Industrial Highway,
Southhampton, PA 18966 ph.# 215.357.9065
All kinds of assorted products ranging from telephone company tools, to
products on stealth.
 
U.S. Cavalry
2855 Centennial Ave.
Radcliff, KY 40160-9000  ph.# 800.777.7732  Fax 502.352.0266
Various military and "adventure" equipment.  As well as listening devices
and other more elementary electronic devices.  This is by no means an
"underground" company, they are more a military supply company.  $3 for
catalog in U.S.A.  $5 for international.
 
Gall's Inc.
P.O. Box 55268, 2470 Palumbo Drive,
Lexington, KY 40555-5268  ph.# 800.524.4255   Fax 606.269.4360
Targeted for policemen and law enforcement basically.  Has a few
interesting items though.
 
Criminal Research Products
206-218 East Hector Street
Conshocken, PA 19428
Investigative equipment and electronic surveillance items.
 
Bug Busters
P.O. Box 978, Dept. 2-6,
Shoreham, NY 11786
They have all sorts of lockpicking tools, assorted weapons (i.e. brass
knuckles) and protection (i.e. bulletproof vests) as well as telephone
equipment and taps, bugs, etc. $5 for a catalog.
 
Ross Engineering Associates
68 Vestry Street
New York, NY 10013
A selection of surveillance stuff.
 
Edmund Scientific CO.
101 E. Gloucester Pike
Barrington, NJ 08007
All types of little do-dads in electronics and some other stuff relating to
surveillance.
 
Garrison
P.O. BOX 128
Kew Gardens, NY 11415
Locksmithing tools and electronics thing-a-ma-bobs.  Catalog costs $2.
 
Master World
1609 S. Bentley Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90025
Maps on how to make a Red Box (the kind with the walkman) for $2.  Other
stuff? I dunno.
 
Bnf Enterprises
P.O. BOX 3357
Peabody, MA 01960
Electronics stuff and equipment supply company.
 
Mouser Electronics
11433 Woodside Avenue
Santee, CA 92071
Sells most electronic components parts and equipment.
 
Excalibur Enterprises
P.O. BOX 266
Emmans, PA 18049
Night vision devices.  Catalog costs $5
 


 * Origin: NineJackNine (1:121/99)
From: evenson@hitl.washington.edu (Mark Evenson)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Slipstream PoMo and Second Generation Cyberpunk
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:49:26
Organization: R+D Hipsters @ virtual HITLab, Ithaca
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.95.74.50
In-reply-to: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of Wed, 30 Dec 92 18:47:38 GMT


	Ya, I dig the morphing-ideas.  Sho 'nuff things change.  But what
the contours of this 2Gen-cyber-PoMo construct?  Like, you talk synergy,
but that's easy.  The hard part is sayin' what the synergy will be about.

	What trips your warez about _Snow Crash_?
 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (hackers schmackers)
Subject: Re: Guide to the New Edge
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 22:03:15 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, strider@mind.ORG said about 'Guide to the New Edge':
|Has anyone been able to check out the new Mono 200 book? "The Mondo 2000 
|Guide to the New Edge?" I saw it at the local Bookstrore but When I got 
|back to look at it they had all sold out :(. Was it (is it) worth the $20 
|bucks they were asking for it?
|
|            Strider

It's not worth the $20 if you keep all your back issues of Mondo, cuz
it's mostly cut-clip-copy-n-paste of old stuff, plus a little new
stuff...

It's divided into conveniently-constructed alphabetically-fixated
sections based on subject:

Aphrodisiacs
Appropriation 
Artificial Life
Brain Implants
Chaos
Computer Graphics 
Computer Industry
Crackers
Cyberpunk
Cyberpunk Science fiction
Cyberspace
Deconstruction
DNA Music
Drugs
Electronic Freedom
Electronic Music
Evolutionary Mutations
Fashion
Fiber Optics
Fringe Science
Geek humor
Hackers
Hip (-Hop)
House Music
Hyperreality
Hypertext
Industrial & Postindustrial Music & Art
Longevity
Marshall McLuhan
Me (focuses on personalities)
Meat (bodyart, etc.)
Media pranks 
Multimedia
Nanotechnology
The Net 
NoMadness 
Personal Computing
Politics 
Psychedelic drugs
Rants (by RU Sirius, Queen Mu, that 'Xandor' incarnation)
Robots
Smart Drugs
Street Tech 
Synaesthesia
T.A.Z. (Temporary Autonomous Zone)
Transrealism
Virtual Reality
Virtual Sex
Virus
Wetware
Zines

	.....and the best part of all....

The Mondo 2000 Shopping Mall

	conveniently divided, thurough list of resources and suggested
	readings/viewings/listenings, but not as thurough as my
	FutureCulture FAQ, but plen-t more in-depth...

I heart-and-lungidly believe that if you get this book, and if you
keep up with my FutureCulture FAQ (my cyberography), then you'll have
your Hitchhiker's Guide to Hyperspace set on auto-pilot for another
few years )at the very least(, until the rest of humani-t catches up
with the fresh-fish of the day....

Goes double if you have a detachable penis....

If your mind survives subjectively beyond the chaos of the hyperreal,
then you already have this book and you already knew all this....

"Bye-Bye"

	-John McLaughlin

--

    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Caller Block, Complete House Control.
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 03:57:27 GMT

I wonder if you can set it up so that you can program your phone for numbers
you do not want to recieve from. After all if the phone tells you what number
is calling, why can't you set it up to filter out known obnoxious numbers..

When will the day when all the applicance in your house are controlled by a
central brain and where you can plug your appliance in and have the computer
control it...  So that you can control the numbers coming in, or the numbers
going out..  Maybe it is time for the people to be able to control thier own
data input and output.. And also be easier to set things up.. 
Maybe a data jack that will not only allow you to get power to your appliances
and also allow for computer control.. Something in the way of fiber optic or
something?? Maybe a light to power convertor (miezoelectric(sp))..

Michael Adams alias Ghost Wheel/Morgoth NSMCA@acad3.alaska.edu
From: mitch@novavax.UUCP (Mitch Silverman)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Is it OK to be stupid?
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:21:56 GMT
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:

>A point raised in the CNID thread has got me thinking.  That's always a
>dangerous condition, but I'll try to survive it.

>So, let me ask ya something...

>Why don't people have a right to be stupid?

The short answer, Roy: they do.  Or, at least, they should.
This is something that the U.S. government (and the state
governments as well) have tried (in vain) to legislate 
against.  The FDA and the USDA (not to mention medical
licensing boards and your state Bar Association) are
attempts to *force* Mr. Sixpack to make rational, 
informed decisions.  So is the War on Drugs.

The problem to those of us who are capable of making
informed decisions without government intervention is that
when we disagree with the government, we lose badly.
In order for the government to legislate stupidity out
of existence (or at least bring about "equality through
mediocrity" with the assistance of many faceless bureaucrats)
there must be standards of sensible behavior--"government-
mandated 'common sense'" (usually neither common nor sensical)
with which we disagree.

Tell a cop you have a constitutional right to the joint that's
in your hand sometime, and you'll see what I mean.  We could
argue that you *do* have such a right, but the Supreme Court
makes that decision (as far as the cop is concerned), and 
what happens to you after you flaunt that joint in the cop's
face will have more to do with the semiosis of the dominant
paradigm (Rehnquist et al.) than yours--or mine.

Note that this is a discussion of legal philosophy, not the law
itself.  I am not an attorney, and do not intend that my opinions
on legal philosophy should be interpreted as legal advice.
(And pardon the disclaimer, but when discussing the law I feel
it best to add one--I do expect to try and pass a Bar background
investigation someday....)

Mitch Silverman                    | As Voltaire never said, "I
Student, New College of            | disagree with what you say,
the University of South Florida    | but will defend to the death
mitch@cfraix.cfr.usf.edu           | your right to say it."
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: What is CyberPunk about?
Date: 31 Dec 1992 01:58:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu



Hello, what (who) is (a) cyberpunk?  What do they do?
What is it about?  Also, what is a cyperpunk, and how does that
differ with cyberpunk.  Also what happened to alt.cyperpunk ?

Thanks.
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6832 sci.electronics:21503
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 20 Dec 92 02:05:37 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1gqnuiINNqre@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury) writes:
>                                                    Nobody wants to miss
>that one important, life-changing call that could come at any time, from
>any unknown number!
>-- 

Travis, no offense, but would you perhaps still be quite young? I used
to have a sense that one day I would get that life-changing phone call,
letter, whatever. You make me feel quite nostalgic for the days when I
imagined that such things actually happen to people.

Paul
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
From: chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 01:08:54 GMT

In article <BD.92Dec28071720@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>
>clemon@lemsys.UUCP (Craig Lemon VE3XCL) writes:
>
>>If a loved one's car breaks down in an area where CID service
>>isn't supported and no number is sent, payphones that AUTOMATICALLY block
>>their numbers etc...etc...  It's nice to have CID if a person harasses you,
>>pranks you, telemarketers won't leave you alone etc..etc..etc..  But
>>shutting yourself off from anyone you don't know can be dangerous.
>
>If CID is not available, then my phone will display a message
>that ID is not available, as opposed to a blocked call when my
>phone will say the Caller ID is blocked.  I will answer the former,
>but will very likely not answer the latter.

Why?  In both cases, you don't know who is calling.  I just can't see the 
reasoning here.  If the reason you're not answering the phone is because you 
don't know who's calling, then why would you answer a call from an area 
without cnid?

>   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
>                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
>             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
>                              DoD # 0698


-- 
Chad Helfenberger
(chelf@lunatix.uucp)
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Slipstream PoMo and Second Generation Cyberpunk
Date: 3 Jan 1993 02:44:01 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

obi-wan kenobi (ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:

: It seems that cyberpunk and the whole edge culture is continously
: morphing to a nexus gridpoint that brings together classic cyberpunk,
: slipstream, postmodernism, and industrial.  

this has been the case for a while, viz the classic Honeyman line 
"Usenet is a slow moving parody of itself."  

--Ed
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773)
Subject: Re: Slipstream PoMo and Second Generation Cyberpunk
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
  
Distribution:  world
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 12:11:24 GMT

Irie, I am all up for the rebel on the run motif.  Imagine free-form,
mobile, egoist cyberpunk communes.  Who make and break reality as fast
as they can get their hands on the tech.  Let's get serious out there --
time has come for us to put the US of A into the public-domain -- make
the world safe for anarchy!

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:19:21 GMT

In article <BzJt8u.GDz@cda.mrs.umn.edu> carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773) writes:
>In article <1992Dec19.164501.5444@lunatix.uucp> chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) writes:
>>
>>EXACTLY.  Caller ID will NEVER change that.  Telemarketers are trained to be 
>>persistant.  Just placing them on a kill list will not keep them from 
>>calling.  People have to tell them to stop calling, and that requires 
>>picking up the phone and telling them so; not avoiding them.
>>
>>-- 
>>Chad Helfenberger
>>(chelf@lunatix.uucp) 
>
>This does not always work.  I personally have told all the arm forces
>recruiters to 'fuck off' but with out no avail.  We need a system to
>hide our true phone numbers.  So that the telemarket creeps will leave
>us alone.  The crudest solution is to always use a pay phone for voice
>and leave your other line just for data, and just let the creeps here
>hiss.  

If you tell them to remove your name from their listing, and then say that 
you will take legal action if they do not, then yes, it will work.

>I am not sure if this has been discussed before; apology if it has.
>When using a phone card service that requires you to call a number first
>does a CNID recieve that number or the number you called from.  If it
>sent the service number we have a solution to our problems, and if not
>we have an interesting buisness oppertunity.  Libetarian Phone System,
>"We Make the World Safe for Anarchists!"

When using a calling card to make a call (or an operator assisted call, for 
that matter), it does not deliver ANI.  (This may be incorrect in some 
areas.  Most, however, do not).
-- 
Chad Helfenberger
(chelf@lunatix.uucp) 
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6859 sci.electronics:21613
From: clemon@lemsys.UUCP (Craig Lemon VE3XCL)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 11:14:14 EST
 <1992Dec20.020537.12766@informix.com>
Distribution: world
Organization: Private UUCP "Twig" Node
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00

In article <1992Dec20.020537.12766@informix.com>, Paul Roberts writes:

> In article <1gqnuiINNqre@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury) writes:
> >                                                    Nobody wants to miss
> >that one important, life-changing call that could come at any time, from
> >any unknown number!
> >-- 
> 
> Travis, no offense, but would you perhaps still be quite young? I used
> to have a sense that one day I would get that life-changing phone call,
> letter, whatever. You make me feel quite nostalgic for the days when I
> imagined that such things actually happen to people.
> 
> Paul

        Well, it's really interesting to read about all you people who
won't answer the phone unless you _know_ the number.  Not answering (or
letting your answering machine get it when the number is blocked is a
slightly different thing, I'm talking about not answering if you don't know
who it is).  Maybe the day that the hospital phones, trying to tell you
that your wife has been in a serious accident, and you ignore the call
because you're too good to answer for an unknown number will teach you
something.  Sure, it's your discretion, but you should use your discretion
on when to use your discretion.  Many important phone calls can come from
anywhere.  If a loved one's car breaks down in an area where CID service
isn't supported and no number is sent, payphones that AUTOMATICALLY block
their numbers etc...etc...  It's nice to have CID if a person harasses you,
pranks you, telemarketers won't leave you alone etc..etc..etc..  But
shutting yourself off from anyone you don't know can be dangerous. 
Especially if you use call screen and your answering machine won't even
take the message!  Just my opinion.

--
 Craig Lemon VE3XCL (Advanced) - Kitchener, Ontario. +1 519 741 0297
 clemon@lemsys.UUCP clemon%lemsys@xenitec.on.ca  | 1A Electrical Engineering
 TCP/IP: ve3xcl@ve3xcl.ampr.org [44.135.84.51]   |  University of Waterloo
 AX.25 Packet: ve3xcl@ve3euk.#SWON.ON.CAN.NA     | Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
From: zyzzy@stein.u.washington.edu (Zyzzy Galore)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Slipstream PoMo and Second Generation Cyberpunk
Date: 30 Dec 1992 22:47:56 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

evenson@hitl.washington.edu (Mark Evenson) writes:
>
>	Ya, I dig the morphing-ideas.  Sho 'nuff things change.  But what
>the contours of this 2Gen-cyber-PoMo construct?  Like, you talk synergy,
>but that's easy.  The hard part is sayin' what the synergy will be about.
>

Hmmm...true.  

Maybe it's not to ask what it's *about*, but what's the
*sensibility*.  Kinda like asking, "what's surrealism about?"  It's not
about.  It's a world view [read perception] that we grew from.  

What are the contours of hyperreality?  Dunno, but thinking about the
futurists, the Dadas, the punks, and reading stuff like Storming the
Reality Studio goes a long way.

What's the recipe?


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