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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:05:53 CDT
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From:         Allen Herzog <U50161@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Statsoft Again - CSS:Statistica, Statistica/W

        There has been some discussion of Statistica (the DOS version)
with respect to a controversey about SYSTAT some months ago. Whatever
the final results of that controversey Statistica has, like SYSTAT
and SPSS now produced a Windows version which should be available
within a very few months.  They are selling Statistica for $995 with
and option to buy the Windows version for $200.
         In their latest advertising mailing which I have just received
there is, aside from a detailed description of Statistica (not the
Windows version where the description is limited) 4 interesting items
included.
          1. A history of Statsoft going back to 1984.
          2. A series of 52 benchmark tests of the numerical accuracy
             of many of their procedures. (This was one of the criticism
             raised, among others, by SYSTAT.)
          3. A detailed and fairly comprehensive comparison between the
             DOS versions of SYSTAT, SPSS, Statgraphics (programmed in
             APL) and Statistica.
          4. An addendum to 3 aove which reviews the features of
             SPSS Windows.

          Items 3 and 4 are well worth reading.  Most of the rather
severe criticisms they raise agains SPSS and SYSTAT as interactive
"so called" menu driven statistical and graphics packages are well
founded in my experience with these two packages.  I have never used
Statgraphics but from their description I would infer that this package
has it's deficiencies as well.  Statsoft review of these packages
(especially SPSS in both its DOS and Windows Version) are extremely
detailed and well worth reading.  Of the two packages for DOS machines
SAS and BMDP they write: "... the mainframe-like programs BMDP and
SAS (which, in our view, are not suited for interactive use)." and so
they are not reviewed.  The description of their own package, of course,
is without blemishes.

            To receive this material you can write to StatSoft, Inc.,
2325 East 13th St., Tulsa, OK 74104 (Phone:(918) 583-4149).

            I, of course, have no interest of any sort, neither
financial or sentimental, in StatSoft, but bring this to general
attention of those who are concerned with using statistical packages
in their work.

            They write: "Now you can examine the full featured complete
CSS package for 14 days at no cost. If you are not satisfied for any
reason, you may request an authorized return with 14 calendar days -
no questions asked."
                                                 Allen Herzog
                                                 U50161@Uicvm
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:22:47 EDT
From:         "(Laplante Benoit)" <laplante@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA>
Subject:      Artificial data

   Thanks to the many people who already answered to my query about
artificial data.

   From what I have understood so far from the answers, this can be done
performing a Cholesky decomposition of the variance-covariance matrix
and using as many vectors of random normal numbers with mean zero and
variance 1 and of the length of the desired sample as I need variables.

   The premultiplication of the matrix made up with the random vectors by
the matrix resulting from the Cholesky decomposition will give a random
sample drawn from a multivariate normal population with mean zero and
the desired variances and covariances.

   Now, if I didn't understand it correctly, everyone will know (and will
correct me I hope...).

    Thanks to Russ Lenth, Chen Xi, John J. Wiorkowski and all the others whose
answers are still pouring in.

Benoit Laplante
Departement de psychologie
Universite de Montreal
Laplante@ERE.UMontreal.CA
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:17:45 -0500
From:         "(Kernon Gibes)" <gibes@SWIRL.MONSANTO.COM>
Subject:      RE: "proving" no difference

 Andy Taylor wrote, in part:

 >How best can we use statistical inference to "prove" (give strong
 >evidence for)
 >the _absence_ of a difference or effect?

 There have been a number of responses including Matthew Zack's:

 >Some work has been done on this with respect to testing bioequivalence
 >for
 >the availability in the blood stream of oral formulations of generic
 >pharmaceuticals compared to that of a proprietary pharmaceutical.

 I *think* Matthew is referring to the work done where one switches the
 null and alternative hypotheses (the null becoming an interval
 hypothesis).  Some have argued that we just need to look at both the
 alpha and beta level.  In some instances I prefer switching the
 hypothesis, e.g. when the objective of the test is to establish
 "similarity" (my product is equally preferred) and one may or may not
 have been able to choose the sample size.  In these cases, if an error
 rate must float, I'd prefer it to be the "less" important of the two.

 I'm curious how many others have done this and whether their "clients"
 found switching the null and alternative more or less confusing than
 ignoring the p-value and talking about power when in a "similarity"
 testing situation?

 Kernon Gibes
 Internet: gibes@swirl.monsanto.com
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:01:00 EST
From:         POSTOFFICE@ROUTER.EM.CDC.GOV
Subject:      RETURNED BY ADMINISTRATOR

The discussion of whether PCA is data snooping, and therefore bad,
stimulates me to confess to what most of the list will no doubt regard
as a serious character flaw -- namely, that I think data snooping is a
good idea.  I have some friends who take the company line very
seriously: when you design an experiment, they insist that you run the
one and only statistical analysis that is most obviously implicated by
your hypothesis.

The reason that I think this is a bad idea, and that data snooping is
good, is that I don't think science should be punished for our
autobiographical flaws.  Just because I'm too imperceptive to realize
that some other relationship might appear within my data, why should the
scientific community be deprived of that information?  I understand that
one needs different data for discovery and verification, but the
argument against data snooping seems to me to censor lots of interesging
discovery.  If I find something intriguing in a huge correlation matrix,
something that I hadn't anticipated, I don't think that I ought to
swallow it, or do the write-up so that it looks like I knew it would be
there all the time.

I believe that if we abandon the prohibition against data-snooping in
favor of a more generous liberty to poke around, we will advance our
respective sciences, and make our published reports more candid.

I realize that this is a semi-theological topic for many, but I hope we
can have a restrained discussion.
--
Dale Hample                            Dept. Communication A&S
mfdjh@ecnuxa.bitnet                    Western Illinois University
mfdjh@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu                  309-298-1492
        The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:40:00 EDT
From:         Cande V Ananth <ANANTH@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Independence of obs in Logistic Regression

Stat-L'ers,

##  The question posed by Geoff Selig (ilfc594@conu2.bitnet) sounds like
    a situation with repeated measures design. Hence, the traditional
    methods of modeling such an outcome via a logistic model is
    inappropriate (as pointed out by many on this list). Matthew Zack
    (mmz1@ccddcd1.cdc.gov) refers to the generalized estimating
    equations approach to solve the problem. This method sounds as the
    best approach, undoubtedly. Some references in this context follow.

    1.  Liang KY, Zeger SL : Longitudinal data analysis using general-
        ized linear models. Biometrika 73 : 13-22, 1986.

    2.  Zeger SL, Liang KY : Longitudinal data analysis for discrete
        and continuous outcomes. Biometrics 42 : 121-130, 1986.

    3.  Liang KY, Zeger SL, Qaqish B : Multivariate regression analysis
        for categorical data. J Royal Ststist Society (B) 54 : 3-40,
        1992.

    4.  Qaqish B, Liang KY : Marginal models for correlated binary
        responses with multiple levels of nesting. Biometrics
        (to appear), 1992.

    5.  Ware J, Lipsitz, Speizer : Issues in the analysis of repeated
        categorical outcomes. Statistics in Medicine 7 : 95-107, 1988.

    6.  Prentice R : Correlated binary regression with covariate
        specific to each binary observation. Biometrics 44 : 1033-
        1048, 1988.

##  Some applied (less theoretical) papers are :

    7.  Hauck WW, Ober C : Statistical analysis of outcomes from
        repeated pregnancies : Effects of HLA sharing on fetal loss.
        Genetic Epidemiology 8 : 187-197, 1991.

    8.  Liang KY, Beaty TH : Measuring familial aggregation by using
        odds-ratio regression. Genetic Epidemiology 8 : 361-370, 1991.

##  I'm sure there are more to this list. Hope you find them useful.

... Cande V Ananth
    Dept of Biostatistics, SPH
    Univ of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
From: karell@cs.Helsinki.FI (Esa Karell)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.license
Subject: Basics
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:10:28 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Finland


This group sure looks silent but hopefully this'll stir
up some response. Like the subject says I'd be interested
in getting to know the basics of protecting sw licenses.
More precise on a UNIX-net environment. Are there any sample
(uname/rpc -based?) code somewhere in the net? Not too many
folks who distribute PD sw bother with this :-) but even
if you could give me a pointer e.g. to an academic Research
project I'd be more than grateful. Also, never hurts to know
what's available commrecially as well.
regs,

Esa
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Esa Karell karell@cs.Helsinki.FI
Tel. +358-0 513 081 /home, +358-0-4378 410 /work
From: stull@COP.UAMS.EDU
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Subject: Basics
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:45:00 GMT
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Could you explain a little bit more about unix networks and the file types
that you listed?? I'm interested, but not knowledgable...
Richard Stull
University of Arkansas
 for Med. Sciences
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:26:53 -0400
From:         acc00rrb@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Subject:      Re: Protection w/ Ironclad

RE Steve Haines' comments:

>I am quite sure there is no UNIX version (Esa) but they may be able to
>point you in the right direction, since it (protection in a multi-user
>environment) is their specialty.

>So.  How do YOU do it?

Basically, Unix *includes* such protection in the system itself, by means
of 'permission' flags. Without going into detail, you can set 'read',
'write' and 'execute' permission for specific files and directories, at
three levels:  'user' (yourself), 'group' (however defined) and 'others'
(everyone else). So, software files can be 'execute only'.  In addition,
it's unlikely that students could or would be able to get a particular
application from one Unix system to run on another system unless they were
based on the same version, etc. -- despite what you hear, all Unix is not
alike!

There are, of course, additional security software packages for Unix -- the
Kerberos authentication system that was developed by MIT's Project Athena
is probably the one that is getting the most attention.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:48:00 CDT
From:         SHAINES@TWSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Protection w/ Ironclad
Comments: To: license@uga.bitnet

It DOES seem that this group is a little quiet, (I had almost forgotten
that I had subscribed to it) so I guess it is up to us few who are on it
to create some activity...

I manage 2 computer labs at our site, university setting, containing 53
stand-alone IBM pc-compatibles.  We are maintaining numerous softwares on
the hard disks for use by the students.

Our primary problem has been that every student wants to keep a copy of
whatever software they have learned in conjunction with the class they are
taking.  Kind of like part of the notes, book, and exams that they always
plan to go back and review when there is more time... only there never is
enough time to get around to it.

Because: 1) The student may never use the software again after the class,
and 2) The software usually becomes badly out of date after a year or two
anyway, I don't think it would hurt the SW companies to give away a few
copies.  Of course that couldn't be regulated, and would quickly get out
of control.

So... we use Ironclad.  I don't intend to make a commercial for them, but
they do have a powerful product, and with certain reservations, it does
prevent the students from taking a copy home.  (among other things)

I am quite sure there is no UNIX version (Esa) but they may be able to
point you in the right direction, since it (protection in a multi-user
environment) is their specialty.  Sorry, but I don't have an e-mail
address for them.  Let me know if you want more info; I don't want to
waste the bandwidth if nobody is interested.

So.  How do YOU do it?

Chau,

Steve
.........................................................................
Steve Haines, Electronics Tech. II
   Bitnet: shaines@twsuvm.edu
Coppernet: (316) 689-3425
    Snail: Wichita State Univ., Ind. Engr. M/S 35, Wichita, KS, 67260, USA
.........................................................................
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:29:00 +0800
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From:         DTPALMER@HKUCC.BITNET
Subject:      cdnet thru brouters

we are evaluating CD Connection & CDNet for our campus.  We've had little
trouble using CD Connection but CDNet has posed several problems.

There are several ethernet networked Novell LANs on campus that talk to
each other and VAXen over Bridge Routers.  Workstations in the same segment
of ethernet as the CDNet CD Server work fine.  Workstations not in the same
segment have problems.  It sometimes takes 90 seconds to initialize the
CDNet software on these workstations.  Once it is initialized, response
time is pretty good.  We have worked with different versions of IPX on
both the CD server and the workstations with varying degress of success.
Another complication is that some of our workstations have BICC network
cards and others have 3COM cards.  When I got the 3Com carded workstations
working, by adjusting the interrupt & address on the card's jumpers, the
BICC carded workstations would not cooperate as these are not set by
jumpers.

in the last setup, both BICC & 3Com carded workstations work because we
ran Netbios in the batch to initialize CDNet on the workstation.  but it
takes up memory that especially WilsonDisc think is their lunch.  also it
seems to prevent more than 6 users at a time.  if more than 6 use it
simutaneously, they get a message, "no servers found", and i have to
reset the cd server.

So.., is there anyone out there with experience of using CDNet over
BRouters?  any suggestions?  At this point, CD Connection is the clear
winner.  but was it a fair test?

David Palmer
University of Hong Kong
dtpalmer@hkucc.hku.hk
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:45:03 -0500
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From:         "Ben A. Taylor,
              Computer Systems Coordinator" <bataylor@LIBLAN.UALR.EDU>
Subject:      MULTI-USER ACCESS OF PC FILE SERVICES ON VAX SERVERS

*************  NEED HELP  ************************

I've attempted to use the VMS F11CD product to turn ISO
9660 or High Sierra formatted CD-ROMs into VMS's F11
file format,
then offering that file service as a PCSA service for
Pathworks PC clients.  This process worked very well for
single
users but lock-up under multiple users (the Server's
cache gets out of sync).  As you might guess, DEC does
not support the above approach.

If the above approach worked during multiple accesses,
this would have eliminated the need for loading MSCDEX
on each PC.
I believe SCSI EXPRESS does a similar thing on NOVELL
networks.

If you're in a digital environment and have a solution,
PLEASE send me your suggestions.

Ben Taylor BATAYLOR@UALR.EDU
OTTENHEIMER LIBRARY
UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS AT LITTLE ROCK
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:15:03 EST
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From:         Jim Harrington <EXTXAABE@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Anybody have any used CDs to spare?

I was asked that same question where I work. My response was that the
search  software was copyrighted for use on a single machine (or on a
network in some cases) and that it was illegal to install the
software on a second machine without another license.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:13:54 CDT
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From:         "(R. Bruce Meikle)" <rbm@MUSTANG.CIS.SMU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CD-ROM on AT&T Starlan UN
              "ARNOLD%MICRODES.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM@vm.cis.smu.edu" at Oct 6,
              92 4:50 pm

I thought we were trying to get AWAY from this technology ????
    -- RBM
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:23:55 HKT
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From:         Edith-Wu@ULI.MGATE1.CUHK.HK
Subject:      User Instruction

Pls. excuse duplicate posting to CDROMLAN-L and PACS-L.

While many of us are moving to provide access to our CD-ROM LAN via CWIS
or direct dialup, I would like to know how the user instruction can be
provided effectively to the remote users?

You are welcome to respond direct to the author.  I'll be happy to
summarize the responses to the lists.

Thanks.

Edith Wu
The Chinese University of Hong Kong

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