HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sboswell@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Xianity is stupid)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Old (was Re: MINISTRY, SKREW & HARDCORE INDUSTRIAL)
Keywords: OLD HARDCORE INDUSTRIAL
Date: 2 Oct 92 05:23:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep30.180903.18759@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith) writes:
>In article <38763@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, sboswell@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Xianity is stupid) writes:
>|> Old has two albums out, the one you'll find in the normal record
>|> stores is called "Lo Flux Tube".  Incredible.  They've got
>|> instrumental sounds in there that I know don't exist naturally.
>
>I saw Old open for The Young Gods. They (Old) were positively, absolutely
>the *WORST* band I have ever heard. Some of the instrumental music was almost
>respectable, but when the vocals showed up...(*shudder*)...simply hideous.

OK, I admit it, Old's lead singer sounds like a screaming infant, but (probably
BECAUSE they're so unintelligible) I consider the lyrics to just be another
instrument, and quite an industrial one at that.

They might come off better in a studio recording.  Some of their stuff sounds
too tightly arranged to work all by itself live.  I don't know.

I still love them.

Just thought I'd cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars to tell
y'all that. :-)

ObSkinnyPuppyContent: I just saw an ad for a movie whose name escapes
me, but it had "Glen" in the title twice, and I think Al Pacino is in
it, but the song they played during the commercial was "Rodent" by
Skinny Puppy.

Steve Boswell
whatis@ucsd.edu
From: lambert@cs.concordia.ca (Francois Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Industrial clubs in NYC
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:25:33 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Concordia University


	I'll be spending the weekend in NYC and was wondering if anyone had good
suggestions for industrial night/dance clubs?  I know the Limelight has its
_Communion_ night on tuesday, anything compares to that?  What about Building?
Forget about Mission, I've been...  

Appreciate your help, please send address if possible,
Thanks

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From: edklein@well.sf.ca.us (Ed Klein)
Subject: Re: Bigod 20 - Steelworks ?? 
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:50:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.152136.12114@bmerh85.bnr.ca> pichocki@nbrwh34.bnr.ca (Stephen Pichocki) writes:
>I've heard (from a friend who was listening to a formerly alternative
>radio station in the area - CFNY) that Bigod 20 finally released Steelworks
>or Steelwork. I know they were working on a CD release of their own, but
>I haven't heard anything on it for quite a while.
>
>Any reviews? Comments??
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Stephen Pichocki
>Northern Telecom
>Software Services
>BUS   (416) 452-2391  FAX   (416) 452-4783   ESN   333-2391
>Internet:  pichocki@bnr.ca


One of the tracks from the album is being played on the commercial
modern-rock station here, "Live 105" this week, as their "screamer of the
week" (yech).  I forget what it was called, but it sounded like generic
techno-rave music with cheesy vocals, not nearly as good as "The Bog" or
"Carpe Diem".

--------
Ed Klein
edklein@well.sf.ca.us
Organization: Freshman, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:38:34 -0400 
From: Edward Pak <ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: STOP!!!!!!!!

 
MATT!!


Keep reading!



Keep reading!!




Keep Reading!!






FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!  Why do you always have to play Devil's advocate or
criticize everything everyone says?  Do you think you're Mr. Supreme? 
Maybe you are?  But why don't you keep your ignorant ramblings to
yourself, stop, think about how stupid your acting, and go masturbate
thinking about me? huh? Matt?
Does that soak into your head or not!
Are you going to curse me off now, or give us all that "ha! you're
pathetic" trip?
Good! I'm pathetic, now leave this board alone!

I still love you though.....
From: dan@cafws1.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: Re: NIN's "Broken" 8 Songs not 6
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:20:32 GMT
Distribution: rec

In article <kenS6a200WB6EBVq0M@andrew.cmu.edu> Joseph Velardi <jv14+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> >
>> >I believe the Adam Ant song is "Physical", or "Let's Get Physical" (not
>> >to be confused with Olivia Newton-John's 'Classic').
>>  
>>         It's called "(You're So) Physical".  [Not positive about
>whether   > the paretheses are there - I think so.]
>
>For anyone who really cares enough, the song in question is listed as
>"Physical" on the 12" vinyl _Broken_ (which, btw, has the bonus tracks
>but not "Pinion" and "Help Me I Am in Hell").
>
>                    Fulfilling retentive inquisitiveness worldwide...

	Here's some more anal action - I have just verified that the original
title is "You're So Physical" - no parens.  Blah blah blather...

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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Kill File
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:31:17 GMT

lpm@fert2.fe.psu.edu (Lee Miller/8192;PennState-Fayette) writes:

>In article <1992Sep29.173535.27090@versyss.com> keithd@versyss.UUCP (Keith Doyle) writes:
>>
>>Well, I just put Ministry, NIN, and Trent in my kill file.  It'll be 
>>interesting to see what's left to read....
>>
>>Keith
>>
>Well there's always the unending posts about Negativland and Orb and of
>course all the posts mentioning the FAQ *argh*

yeah, too bad nobody's devised a AI whining filter for kill files... :^)
From: valerie@athena.mit.edu (who me?)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Couple of things about NIN - Broken...
Date: 28 Sep 92 04:52:23 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <Bv9Lqr.1pA@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jester) writes:
> kjt001@dunix.drake.edu (Kevin Tieskoetter) writes:
>
>>And what is it with the warning "Caution: not for use with mono
>>devices"?
>
>I have no idea.....

Well, a couple of housemates of mine (we here at MIT are just *so*
inquisitive) decided to find out.  The report is that much of the
contents of the right and left channels are seriously out of phase, and
a lot of the sound (especially the bass, so they say) cancels out due to
the destructive interference.

In layman's terms, it sounds awful in mono.  Don't bother.

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From: paul@ais.org (Paul Vargo)
Subject: Re: kmfdm
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:07:00 GMT

cs2320ak@utagraph.uta.edu (cs2320ak) writes:
>> paul@ais.org (Paul Vargo) writes:
>>Well picked up KMFDM's new CDS "Help Us - Save Us - Take Us Away"
>>
>>here's the track listing: 
>>
>>Help Us - Save Us - Take Us Away 
>>1.  wiener-mix             4:12
>>2.  schnitzel-mix          6:02
>>3.  jager-mix              5:25
>>4.  meister-mix            5:17
>>5.  oktoberfest-mix        5:13
>>
>>Bargeld
>>6.  money-mix              7:14
>>7.  cashflow-mix           6:21
>>                          =====
>>                          39:44 
>How do tracks 1-5 compare with the LP version?  How is the cashflow mix
>different from the money mix?  I wouldn't normally even bother to ask,
>but I recently felt ripped when I bought the singles for Money/Bargeld
>and Vogue because I didn't really like any of the mixes as much as I
>liked the original LP versions.
>
Well I don't have and haven't heard the LP yet, so I don't know what
to tell you about your first question.  BUT, I felt taken on the CDS
of Money/Bargeled too, and this IMO is 10x better than that piece of
s..t!  I completely enjoyed all the mixes, usually I can find one I
don't like, not this time.

The money-mix is a very dance beat orientated. The guitars and vocals
are laid low in the mixing, so the dance beat is the MOST noticeable
thing. :(   I'd rather here these, but thats why they put the next mix on. 
The cashflow-mix has "grungy" guitars playing over the dance beat
of the money-mix.  It's speeded up too.  About one min. into the
song there is a short guitar riff that reminds me of C.H.I.P.s
(remeber them cheesy disco guitar riffs! :)
These mixes are better than the ones on money/bargeld CDS.

paul
From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: What payment methods do RRRecords use?
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:31:25 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct4.164810.6289@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU> gvokalek@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (George Vokalek) writes:
>I just got the RRRecords catalogue, but they don't state whether
>they can take credit card.  Does anyone know if they can?

Nope. You'll find this is usually the case with small mail-order
businesses. The monthly charges that the card companies bill you (as
a mail-order thingy) seem silly to pay when you can just get cold
hard cash (or mo or check). Of course, with some of the prices in the
RRR catalog as they are - I am kinda sursprised that they don't take
cards... :)



Joshua Houk
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Re:RE: Uncle Al
From: aakhan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:07:59 CST
 <1992Sep24.100757.150@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <1992Sep26.171342.10971@cs.ucla.edu>
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <1992Sep26.171342.10971@cs.ucla.edu>, cygnus@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Marshall Robin) writes:
> 
> i was also surprised that he actually co-produced a track on a Gwar (?!!?!)
> album....go figure...
> 

I am surprised that you are surprised.  I guess you haven't heard Psalm69
It's got so much in common with GWAR, and absolutely zilch with "Industrial".

an offering of love
from flesh chamber9
From: john.walter@bville.gts.org (John Walter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: I SIT ON ACID
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:11:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.walter@bville.gts.org (John Walter)
Organization: Baudeville BBS - Toronto, Canada 416-283-0114 2000+ conferences

->   I was at this party a while ago, and the djs played this wild
-> guitary-dance-techno type track.  Distinguishing feature:  it starts
-> off with a sample of a female voice chanting the ol' childhood taunt,
-> "Na na na naa na, (something something something)"...pause...enter
-> screaming guitar riff.  Since I was in no condition to fight my way
-> across the dance floor and talk to the dj, I asked a friend about it
-> later.  He says the song used to be a rather popular club track, and
-> he's pretty sure it's by the Lords of Acid.  Does anyone out there
-> know the track I'm talking about and where I might find it??

        Your friend was correct! The song is entitled...

        "I SIT ON ACID", by "LORDS OF ACID"

        It is on their album, they only have one, I don't know the
actual title of it.  Oh yeah, and the female voice is saying...

        "Darling, come here, f*ck me up the..." and then the music
starts.... HEhehehe....

                        Tooteloo...     John Walter
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: a breath of hope for a lost soul(Re: Anal Fuckfest
From: aakhan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:20:15 CST
Followup-To: rec.music.industrial,jcas+@andrew.cmu.edu,misc.test
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <BvEoF0.6tp@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, @sonata.cc.purdue.edu (null pointer) writes:
>>
>>It seems that Dear Mathew column
>>  Is pretty anal retentive!
>> Maybe he should listen to Alien and give it a try!
 
> Whatever.
 
> Matthew Neill Sharp

but oh we insist!!
don't we??
come on 
every body
let hear it for Matty

GO MATTY GO MATTY GO

where is the f***** pipeband?

an offering of lust
from flesh chamber9
From: lcwu@athena.mit.edu (Lawren C Wu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: re:Cranes
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:18:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep29.161839.16573
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

>>...something new. i know what it sounds like, but i don't know what
>>it's called (or if it exists). take 1 part Nitzer Ebb, 1 part
>>Pigface, lots of samples or tape loops, a wee bit of distorted
>>guitar, mix to a high bpm and serve with any vocals you please.
>>(an industrial band fronted by enya would be ideal, but it's too much
>>to ask.)

>have you tried "Cranes-Wings of Joy"
>they fit your description perfectly
>except the high bpm and samples bit

Um.  Cranes is really slow, mellow/haunting stuff.  No samples at all.  I don't
hear any Nitzer Ebb or Pigface in them, either.  Closer to Garlands-era Cocteau
Twins than the Nitzer Ebb/Pigface mixture.

It's good, but not what steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu is looking for (IMHO).

Lawren
lcwu@athena.mit.edu
From: matthew@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew N. Sharp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: H E L L O ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:50:58 GMT
Followup-To: alt.newbie,misc.test,rec.music.industrial
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Sep28.144036.269@ncsu.edu> mrjones@eos.ncsu.edu () writes:
>>>
>>> [Listing of theoretical Al Jourgenson-related group info deleted]
>> You are an idiot!
>>        "Good ole Uncle Al" is *NOT* a member of KMFDM nor does it stand
>>for "Kill Mother Fucking Depeche Mode", get your facts straight before
>>you spew off at the mouth again.
>>
>>                                Thanks,
>>                                        John Walter
>
>
>Well, I figured an asshole would catch up to my simple inquiry sooner
>or later.  The list was for groups he was a part of, that is, had
>anything to do with.  This includes touring, mixing, etc.  I figured
>KMFDM did NOT stand for what I had said, but somebody told me that it
>did as a joke.  Humor is something I'm sure even an omniscient asshole
>such as yourself is familiar with.
>

I apologize on the behalf of rec.music.industrial readers.  We
have interfered with your "simple inquiry" and hindered your pursuit
of important knowledge.  I certainly hope you sleep easier when
you finally know every musical project Alan Jourgensen has
participated in.  As a side note, which I am sure that you ARE
interested in, Mr. Jourgensen attended high school in north-suburban
Chicagoland, and played baseball, until he realized that he could
"get more girls" by being in a band.

Humor is something that even an angry little geek like yourself
is baffled by.

>Instead of flaming, why don't you pretend you have a purpose and contribute
>something other than a useless posting to this Newsgroup.  I'm pretty
>sure no one will mind.  Obviously, you can't read since this was the
>trailer on my initial message:

Because this newsgroup is useless?  Because every other posting in
this newsgroup is worthless?  Because your thread was worthless to
begin with?  Obviously you can't think, and can't understand that
because you say "DON'T FLAME ME" is not a strong enough reason to
refrain from such behavior.

OH GEE - JUST ME OPINION!!!:):):) HEH HE HE HEHH HEHEHEHEHE
JUST DONT FLAME ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  BECAUSE I SAY SO, THAT'S WHY!!!
AND BECAUSE YOU CAN'T READ!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAhaHAH.

>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>If you have somehow found something to flame about in this post...
>>then don't.
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Is this too hard for you to comprehend?  I'm starting to think so...
>
>				
>							Carnifex

Dear Sir;
	Please do yourself a semi-intellectual favor and look
	up the following words;

		1.  comprehension
		2.  obedience

	I believe that you will find they have very little to do
	with each other.

					-Matthew

Matthew Neill Sharp
matthew@symphony.cc.purdue.edu
From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Final Pup?
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:05:06 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

smurray@mta.ca writes:

> Please assuage my fears, but Id heard rumours that _Last Rights_ was
> the Pups last album under the Skinny Puppy moniker.

...A rumour that inspires mixed emotions.  On the one hand, the last time
they put out such a dreadful album (_Rabies_), they followed it up with a
superb one (_Too_Dark_Park).  On the other hand, if they sold enough copies
of _Last_Rights_, they'd probably be tempted to put out similar rubbish --
in which case, I hope they throw in the towel.

^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\\\^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
Thomas A. Darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * record production * dance re-mixing
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From: scupin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND)
Subject: Re: Last Pup!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:36:53 GMT

dickenjd@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (DICKENJD) writes:

>In article <16870D4C4.S954161@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU>, S954161@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU writes...
>>  I read an article and interview with cEVIN Key saying they weren't sure
>>about the breakup. The problem was Ogre coming into sessions so wasted he
>>had to be dragged out bodily!  Ogre's drug and alchohol habit has been a
>>problem for years. cEVIN did say that Ogre was getting better toward the
>>end of the sessions's and that they would try to do some more.
>> 
>> 
>Ogre kicked the habit during the PigfacE tour,and Key was quoted as saying
that Ogre was doing much better, actually responding when asked a question.
BTW: ain't STL a Great Place?  I'm glad to be 800 miles away from there right
 now.
coprophiliac
> 
>> 
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>>&  From:  Ben Ricker  s954161@Umslvma.umsl.edu                       &
>>&         University of Missouri at St. Louis                        &
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>>& Monkey Love Pile On Me! - Joel Robinson                            &
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>	From what I understand, Key said in some interview not too far
>back that Ogre was better to work with now (LR Tour) than he had 
>been for years... everything I've heard points to more SP in the
>future..
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mcelwee@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Bennett)
Subject: Re: Thanks! (USA debate resoundingly settled: )
Organization: Disorganization
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 01:59:25 GMT

pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:

>ObIndustrial! What is the price of an import NIN PHM and Broken
>in Australia? I'm looking for the best deal, pref. in Melbourne
>but Sydney is OK and perhaps other places if cheap enough...
>Alternatively, and better, when will these be released here?
>Will they be crap quality like the HLAH? Pathetic, I must say.
>I hope the Broken doesn't come in a digipak. BTW are all the US
>Broken's in digipaks?

The HLAH is not that bad, it's the same as the UK release except that it's
in a cardboard sleeve (but then it's cheaper too).  PHM has been released
here, it has been around for a while (on Island, about $28).  If broken
doesn't come with the 2 extra tracks I'm going to SCREAM!  (And get a copy
from the US somewhere...).

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From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Now, some Godflesh info...
X-To: ALL
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:55:00 GMT

gt5986c@prism.gatech.EDU (John P. Arnzen) writes:
 
>does anyone know about Godflesh's very first album?  it's supposed to 
>be eponymous.

Isn't that an album by R.E.M.?  :-)

>I saw it referred to in the trouser press record gd [a decent
>gd, IMHO], but haven't seen it anywheres or even heard anyone talk about
>it.  are the bonus tracks on the STREET CLEANER cd from this recording?
>anyone out there got any sort of clue about this mystery album?

This most likely refers to the self-titled EP they released on Swordfish 
Records in 1988, and re-released on Earache Records in 1990.  I've never 
seen a vinyl copy of this, but I have the CD and I've seen the cassette.  
The track listing:

Avalanche Master Song
Veins
Godhead  
Spinebender
Weak Flesh  
Ice Nerveshatter
Streetcleaner 2  (CD only)
Wounds           (CD only)

The bonus tracks on STREETCLEANER didn't come from this release.


Greg

--- WinQwk 2.0 a#0
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: scupin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND)
Subject: Re: Two Gods??
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:19:45 GMT

aakhan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:

>In article <1992Oct2.160413.5922@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, scupin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND) writes:
>> 
>> If you like GodFlesh, check out GOD- Justin plays his git fiddle, with *real*
>> drums, good bass, vocals and *Saxophones*.  Hyper-jazz, I believe it's called.


>Isn't or wasn't there an ausltralian rock/melodic punk band called God.
>I remember reading about them a long time ago in one of the Brit teeny bopper
>magazine(Sma Shits(hehe)).  All the members were supposedly under 17 or
>something.
>Doesn't that cause copyright problems for Justin.
How would that pose a problem?  He plays guitar on a couple  tracks....
If things like that got people in trouble, how would Mr. Jourgenson succeed
in doing it so damn much?
>and by the way why are you so hung up on *real* drums(as in the traditional 
   Oh, so I'm hung up on real drums, am I?  Wrong buckaroo, I just think 
that Godflesh's use of the drum machine is, well, GodAwful. 
>western-rock'n'roll-lets-sit-and-relax-my-sore-butt-through-show-and-masturbate 
>with-the-cymbals-every-once-in-a-while drumset .Don't get me wrong I am a
>Test Dept, Neubauten i.e Industrial/Tribal percussion freak myself), 
>unless they are used creatively ala PigFace/Jesus Lizard/SteelPoleBathTub etc 
>or total jazz
>the traditional rock'n'roll drumsets are worthless
>Ministry uses *real* drums? 
>big f***** deal
   Yes to me, it is a big deal. Granted, the rhythm tracks on the new album
suck, but it's better than some uniformly programmed cycle.  Want creative
drum machines?  try some early Skinny Puppy.  They even still use a drum
machine on some songs. And when they use *real* drums, I like it even more,
'cause cEvin has a unique style and he uses non-standard sounds with his drums
   
>even I could keep a 4/4 with my brain shut off (and I did too! so don't give me 
>all that you have to do it to know it crap!!)

What has a 4/4 have do do with anything(besides being really boring, easy, and
unsatisfying, unless you dicker around with it a  bit)??
    coprophiliac


>Just curious
>flesh chamber9