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From: ESR102@psuvm.psu.edu (Eric Ruth)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: a new way of thinking.
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:43:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92107.154302ESR102
Organization: Penn State University

Well, I've been reading this group since its genesis, and it's becoming more,
and more clear, that we "Silly Humans" simply aren't powerful enough to blow
up the earth by Brute Force.  So, I suggest that we adopt a new way of
thinking.

     IDEA:   Create a Paradox, and let mother nature do the rest.
             (IE.  I build a time machine, and then go back in time, and kill
             my mother.  In which case, I am never born, so I can't create a
             time machine, so, i can't go back in time to kill my mother,
             Therefore, I AM born, and I am destined to Go back in time, and
             Kill my mother.  But if i do that...Etc...Etc...Etc...(anyone see
             The movie Millinium??  If not, I recommend it for readers of this
             newsgroup)

             At this point, there would be no SINGLE "time continuum."  And
             according to some "schools of thought" the universe would not cope
             well with this; therefore destroying itself entirely.  (With this
             idea, we not only destroy all life, and the plannet...but we get
             the entire universe as a bonus.  :-)

             According to Einstein, we already have the "way" to travel forward
             in time.  So all we need to do is modify this theory to work for
             our purpose.

                                    Let's Get working on it.
                                    Time is limited,
                                    cause I wanna be here to see it happen!
                                    Eric
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Why ?
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 04:23:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

<RED103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
:       I would like to know why it is important to destroy the earth.  It
:       seems that anyone who would advocate this has a death wish unless
:       there is an alternative living enviroment proposed. However, the
:       tone of the posts here don't reflect an interest in living altern-
:       atives.  If then you want to die, why don't you just kill yourselves
:       and leave the earth for those who would like to save it.
: 

In some sense it is a theoretical question.  Can it be done?  Enquiring
minds wish to know.  On the other hand it is the ultimate suicide fantasy.
The ultimateness of that fantasy involves the totality.  If you've never
been suicidal I know that makes a shitload of sense.  BTW I'm not. But I
was once and the question lingers.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
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From: bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mike Bur)
Newsgroups: alt.exploding.kibo,alt.religion.kibology,talk.bizzare,alt.slack,alt.stupidity,alt.cascade
Subject: Re: alt.cascade anyone? (was Re: Aaaaaaaiiiieeeeee...)
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:17:42 GMT
Organization: NASA/GSFC code 923

a-feygin@uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:
>willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams) writes:
>}feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:
>}>kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>}>}Please do your part to conserve valuable bandwidth.  Don't cascade this.
>}>Please eat your lard to preserve terrible Norse myths.  Don't parade, miss.
>}Please play your card and serve great fish dishes.  Don't get laid, miss.
>Please may your heart reserve to be delicious.  Don't use Raid, sis.
Sleaze is hard to observe and is viscose.  'Yo man, `dats a dis!!
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From: erik@archimedes.nwc.navy.mil (Erik van bronkhorst)
Newsgroups: alt.exploding.kibo,alt.flame,alt.religion.kibology,alt.stupidity,alt.tasteless,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: a slight problem....la, la, la...
Keywords: Elvis is my pal
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:08:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: avalon.1992Apr16.140812.15000
Organization: Naval Weapons Center, China Lake, CA

bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mike Bur) writes:
>cease@carina.unm.edu (Cecilia De Blasi) writes:
>>davros@vesta.unm.edu (DAVROS) writes:
>>>jxj5824@hertz.njit.edu (JJ) writes:
>>>>klein@kira.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) writes:
>>>>>bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mike Bur) writes:
>>>>>>dkelly@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Rocky Horror) writes:
>[MIA]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Elvis is outside. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>Elvis is my guide.
>>>>>>>>>>>Elvis has five brides.
>>>>>>>>>>Elvis can't hide.
>>>>>>>>>Elvis can slide.
>>>>>>>>Elvis can glide.
>>>>>>>Elvis is old, dead, and dried.
>>>>>>Elvis likes to fold red hide.
>>>>>Elvis liked the old red light district.
>>>>Elvis bites his mom and dies.
>>>Elvis saw me so I am alive.
>>Elvis taught me how to jive.
>Elvis bought a can of Spam.
Elvis' fleece was white as snow.
>>>>>>>>>THE OFFICIAL RULE the followup MUST have 'Elvis" as the first word.
-- 
Erik van Bronkhorst KC6UUT erik@rftech.nwc.navy.mil
DoD#4342585443 AMA#438054 "3.412 squid" "2.5 geezer"
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: bmartino@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob Martino)
Subject: Re: Best Tasting Fractal
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:37:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.185221.4671@cs.dal.ca> dinn@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael 'Moose'
Dinn) writes:
>
>The best tasting fractal, is, by far, broccli.
>maxiter=~5 or so.
>:)
>

     We don't want fractals with good taste, we want fractals that
taste good!

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Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: wjeuerle@athena.mit.edu (William J Euerle)
Subject: Hardware Fractal Engine
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:58:11 GMT

Hi.  I am taking a digital design class at school.  As part of the class, we have
to do a final project.  We decided to do a hardware fractal machine.  basically,
it will calculate and display an image of the mandelbrot set on a video screen. 
If anyone has information about needed precision, best algorithm (with least
hardware requirements, preferrably), etc, please either post it here or send me
an email message.

Any help is appreciated.

Bill Euerle
(wjeuerle@athena.mit.edu or if that doesn't work, you can try
wjeuerle@ceci.mit.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Where can I get fractint 17.2?
From: arvidl@catarina.gac.edu (Lee Arvidson)
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:57:17 -0600

Where can I get fractint 17.2 for MS-DOS?  I have an older version  
that was included in a book on fractals.  I would like to upgrade if  
possible.  

Please post where I can download (FTP) and in if it is public domain.

Thanks!

Lee
G.A.C

E-mail: arvidl@ancho.gac.edu

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From: hart@bert.eecs.uic.edu (John C. Hart)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: three dimensional fractals
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:05:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: bert.1992Apr7.130501.26760
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael James Gebis) writes:

>I seem to recall that this type of fractal has a very intesting property...
>It approaches a perfect cube!
>REALLY!  (unless we're talking about different things)
>I recall reading this surprising result in some science mag...but it wasn't
>SciAm, I pretty much checked them all for references about this.  Anyway, the
>article included pictures that showed that a cube would result.  The first two
>equallateral pyramids (tetrahedrons, really), each with four corners, define
>the eight corners of the cube.  If you can believe it, adding more tetrahedrons
>just fills out the rest of this cube.
>REALLY!
>Anybody else back me up on this?

I spent a whole day working on that one in 1989. What a let down. It turns out
that adding only three of the four tetrahedra onto three of the four sides
produces an interesting shape, though, which I called Sierpinski's pagoda.

I've only recently (last week) started to reinvestigate this problem, looking
at the different graph topologies of an RIFS whose maps take the cube to its
eight octants. One particular interesting shape arises when the graph does not
allow the same map to be taken twice in a row, resulting in a set we've been
calling the 3-D fractal pound sign.

-John Hart
 EVL - UIC
From: memo@gator.rn.com (Bill Williston)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: fractint 17.2
Keywords: huh?
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:42:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: gator.5XNDJB1w161w
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site

henrybh@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Benjamin H. Henry) writes:

> 
> 	I just downloaded fractint 17.2 a couple of weeks ago and am 
> very pleased! The last version of fractint that I had was 12.0. Most 
> of the features that I had really wanted are now in place. I just want to
> thank all the people who  made this program available and as great as it is!!
> --
> Benjamin H. Henry                bh4781@albnyvms.bitnet         
> Albany, NY                	 bh4781@rachel.albany.edu
>                           	 henrybh@logic.camp.clarkson.edu
> Somehow it may get to me.	 henrybh@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
Is Fractint17.2 a DOS program?  Is it shareware?  thanks


--
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Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: wlh04953@elp.aero.org (William L. Hayden)
Subject: flt sim landscapes
Summary: s/w for fractint landscapes to flt sim scenario convert
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:41:44 GMT

I'm not sure whether this is a reasonable idea or not, but ..

does anyone know of conversion programs to create flt-sim scenario
files from fractint generated landscapes ?
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: bob@iastate.edu (Robert P Kuehne)
Subject: Fractal Trees (the kind with leaves).
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 04:43:04 GMT

Does anyone out in net-land have any idea about where to find software
that generates 3d data points for fractal trees.  I am interested in
this as I do animation/simulation and one key feature that could be
drastically improved is the local foliage.  So, if anyone has any ideas,
or can help in _any_ way, please get ahold of me!
Thanks.
Bob

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From: ee88jmf@brunel.ac.uk (J M Fielder)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: Hardware Fractal Engine
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:56:08 GMT
Reply-To: ee88jmf@brunel.ac.uk.brunel.ac.uk (J M Fielder)
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK

In article <gate.oR23iB1w164w@toz.buffalo.ny.us> cyberman@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Cyberman) writes:
>WJE> [Stuff about a hardware mandelbrot machine]
>Steve Ciarcia had a series of articles in Byte [Oct/Nov/Dec 1988]
>entitled A Supercomputer.  He tied together 64 8751's so they
>could calculate the mandlebrot set in parallel this is a VERY
>expensive way to go.  :)  It was tied to an AT via the serial
>port.

From what I rember it took masses of power, and it wasn't really that
quick.

If WJE can find one, find an Archimedes computer. There are various
programs available for that that do mandelbrots in about 7 seconds on
an ARM2 machine (8Mhz device) or will 'pan around' the mandelbrot set if
running on an ARM3 (25Mhz).

The people that wrote the program are willing to divuldge the algorithms
for academoic purposes from what I have heard. You could just build a board
with an ARM3 and a physical memory controller and run those programs :-)

I have lost the origianl posting, but if WJE (or anyone else) wants to mail
me I will find out more.

>You will probably have to take a similiar approach. You probably
>could use a microcontroller to control your calculation hardware.
>That would simplify a lot of things and make controling processor
>states much easier. Have fun, you have taken on a massive
>project.

Massive? Monstrous I would call it...

  ___                       _ _ _       _____      _
 (   >         _/_         ' ) ) )       /  '     //   /
  __/__. . _   /  o __      / / /     ,-/-, o _  // __/ _  __
 / /  (_/_/_)_<__<_/ <_    / ' (_    (_/   <_</_</_(_/_</_/ 
<_/

Justin M Fielder
ee88jmf@brunel.ac.uk
From: tola@jyu.fi (Teemu Olavi Lahteenmaki)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Vista for PC ?
Keywords: Vista, PC, Fractal landscapes, Amiga
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:38:08 GMT
Distribution: alt.fractals
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland

I just saw real great looking fractal landscape program for Amiga: Vista.
Is there any PC version of this prog. ? The images looked somewhat better than
those generated by Fractint (you can add e.g trees and rivers to the image) !

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From: SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu (S. Wukovitz)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: Julia set help please
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:19:38 GMT
 <1992Apr15.203846.6848@muddcs.claremont.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

Actually the julia set of a function f is the subset of C^ on which
the family of compositions of f is not a normal family.  So when you
find out which points do not go to infinity when you apply f to them
lots of times, you are computing the interior of the julia set for
f.  The actual julia set is the *boundary* of this region.

Hope that helps.

-Stephanie Wukovitz
steph@math.cornell.edu
From: smt2626@hertz.njit.edu (sylvia m tou mfen stnt)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: whats a fractal?
Keywords: huh?
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:11:18 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.



I just started looking into fractals.  I written a few simple programs
in C (Koch snowflake, Sierpenski's (sp??) carpet, etc and I have gotten
a few books on fractals.  A question I have is could someone tell me
a general description of what is the difference among Mandelbrot set,
Julia set, Chaos and Barnsley's fractals (iterated function and all).  
The math got too intensive for me and I haven't yet got the patience to 
just sit down and wade through it.  I just want something general in 
English, it doesn't have to be exact, just an idea that might give me 
a glimmer of what the differences are.  Thanks.   

So not to crowd this newsgroup, just go ahead and e-mail it to me 
directly.  Many, many, many thanks.
From: hebert@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject:    TO: balajiv@gatech.edu
Date: 12 Apr 92 10:52:59 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

  Sorry I couldn't e-mail the information to you, but your address is
not recognized.  If you would e-mail your PO address, I'll send you a 
hard copy of the information by land-mail.  There were lots of books 
and articles suggested which discuss fractal applications in music.

-Matt Hebert

internet: hebert@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: mlevin@forte.cs.tufts.edu
Subject: need a recent reference to Julia sets
Organization: Tufts University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:11:39 GMT



      I am looking for a recent reference (a paper?) on Julia sets,
that I can use to backward search for other references (I need one
with an extensive bibliography). I am also looking for any references
on using Julia sets to simulate biological, chemical, or physical
processes. Please send info to mlevin@presto.cs.tufts.edu.

Mike Levin
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: lmitchel@isis.cs.du.edu (L. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Julia set help please
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 11:54:09 GMT

In article <quinonec.703361635@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> quinonec@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Q) writes:
>I'm presently working on my own fractal generator.  It can do the 
>madelbrot set and lyopenov (sp?) space.  I would like to add to
>it the julia set fractals.  I know the algorithm for the julia set is
>very close to the code for the madelbrot set, but don't know in what
>way.  Could someone please help with the algorithm?  Many Thanks in advance.
>
>
>					Carlo
>					quinonec@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
>
>

For the 'standard' Mandelbrot set (z^2 + c), you start with z=0 and use a
different c for each pixel.  For the Julia set, you start with a different
z for each pixel, with a fixed c.  So, there is only one Mandelbrot set
for z^2 + c, but an infinite number of Julia sets.  You must also include
in your program some way to specify which value of c to use for the Julia
set.

Kerry Mitchell
From: dinn@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael 'Moose' Dinn)
Subject: Best Tasting Fractal
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 18:52:21 GMT


The best tasting fractal, is, by far, broccli. 
maxiter=~5 or so.
:)

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From: alexo+@cs.cmu.edu (Alex Orenshteyn)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: Hardware Fractal Engine
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:01:42 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Inmos does not have a new transputer out, in fact, they
will not have till end of this year. For fractal generation
one can already buy C40 which 2.5 faster than the future
generation transputer and is not vapour-hardware.
Otherwise if you are looking for cheap stuff, T805-25mgz with
1 meg can be obtained at $700.
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: henrybh@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Benjamin H. Henry)
Subject: fractint 17.2
Keywords: huh?
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: net
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:33:32 GMT

	I just downloaded fractint 17.2 a couple of weeks ago and am 
very pleased! The last version of fractint that I had was 12.0. Most 
of the features that I had really wanted are now in place. I just want to
thank all the people who  made this program available and as great as it is!!

There are a few more features that I would like to see added:
-mouse control for all the window options
-a simple way to just show and rotate the palette of a saved fractal


Again, thanks to all who made this great program available!


--
Benjamin H. Henry                bh4781@albnyvms.bitnet         
Albany, NY                	 bh4781@rachel.albany.edu
                          	 henrybh@logic.camp.clarkson.edu
Somehow it may get to me.	 henrybh@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: hart@bert.eecs.uic.edu (John C. Hart)
Subject: Re: three dimensional fractals
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:44:13 GMT

reznick@acfcluster.nyu.edu writes:

>i'm trying to create a three dimensional koch snowflake.
>if anyone knows of any kind of algorith to do this, or could help me,
>i would be very appreciative.  the snowflake will be composed of 
>equal lateral triangular pyramids.

Hart, J.C. and DeFanti, T.A. Efficient Antialiased Rendering of 3-D Linear
	Fractals. Computer Graphics 25, 4 (July 1991) 91-100.

Also...

Hart, J.C. The Object Instancing Paradigm for Linear Fractal Modeling. To
	appear in Proceedings of Graphics Interface '92, reprinted in the
	SIGGRAPH '92 intermediate course ``Fractals: From folk art to
	hyperreality.''

-John Hart
 Electronic Visualization Lab
 University of Illinois at Chicago
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: g91r4616@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR MC RITCHIE)
Subject: Has anyone seen this fractal before ?
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:52:17 GMT
Keywords: triangle

Hi

I was mucking about with some ideas for fractals last year. One of the 
algorithms I came up with was this :
		
1. Draw any triangle.

2. Now find the centre of the triangle ( I averaged x and y coords of the 
   verticies, but any other method should do) 

3. Draw a line from the 3 verticies to the centre point.
   You are left with three triangles within the original triangle.

4. Repeat this process from step 2 recursively

It looks quite nice if each level of iteration uses a different color to 
connect the centre point to the verticies. It is not neccessary to draw the 
first triangle, but it lokks nicer that way.

It's such a simple idea, that I'm sure someone else must have thought of it 
by now, but I haven't seen it before. If anyone has seen it, please let me 
know. I haven't used the newer versions of fractint much; does it appear 
there ?

Has anyone else got any ideas for *new* fractals for discussion.

Thanx,  Mike.
From: smt2626@hertz.njit.edu (sylvia m tou mfen stnt)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: whats a fractal?
Keywords: huh?
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:34:25 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr14.131118.17608@njitgw.njit.edu> smt2626@hertz.njit.edu (sylvia m tou mfen stnt) writes:
>
>
>I just started looking into fractals.  I written a few simple programs
>in C (Koch snowflake, Sierpenski's (sp??) carpet, etc and I have gotten
>a few books on fractals.  A question I have is could someone tell me
>a general description of what is the difference among Mandelbrot set,
>Julia set, Chaos and Barnsley's fractals (iterated function and all).  
>The math got too intensive for me and I haven't yet got the patience to 
>just sit down and wade through it.  I just want something general in 
>English, it doesn't have to be exact, just an idea that might give me 
>a glimmer of what the differences are.  Thanks.   
>
>So not to crowd this newsgroup, just go ahead and e-mail it to me 
>directly.  Many, many, many thanks.
>
>

Oops!, Sorry about that, forgot my e-mail address.  For those who would
like to respond, my e-mail address is smt2626@hertz.njit.edu.