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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: ALIENS 1-2-3
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:23:36 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <66905@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>In article <9223913.16604@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma) writes:
>>There is no plot hole, if you think about the way the marines deploy their
>>equipment. The following four facts are from the film...
>>1) There is a second dropship on the Sulaco.
>>2) It can be brought down by remote control by Bishop and (presumably) Ferro,
>>and maybe even by other members of the squad (Spunkmeyer?)
>>3) There is a remote link to the Sulaco aboard the APC.
>Why do you make this assumption?

I think the line 'The transmitter was on the APC!' pretty much
serves that purpose.

>>The marines can be evacuated either by their dropship or by the
>>second dropship from SULACO. The only way they cannot get off
>>is if both the dropship and the APC are destroyed.
>>(Unfortunately, this is exactly what happens.) To this end, 
>
>The APC was not destroyed (at least, not until the whole thing blew up).

Um, the dropship fell on it.

'This is absolutely everything we could recover from the APC'. A
few guns, half empty flame unit, the robot sentries (if thats
'allowed'). No transmitter.

>Which implies that the APC does not have a link to the Sulaco (or else
>they would have used it). 

They didn't need it until it was destroyed.

> Which implies that the only way to get the
>second dropship down is to use a land-based signal that may (or may not)
>exist on the planet they are on.

I think you just missed that line (I think its Hudson saying it,
methinks in the following dialogue, paraphrased from memory...)

Hicks: How long 'till it blows?

Bishop: About four hours, give or take.

Hudson starts bitching...

Ripley: We'll just have to get the other dropship from the
Sulaco.

Hudson: The tranmitter was on the APC!

Ripley: Then we'll have to find some other way... the colony
transmitter?

Bishop: I checked, the lines between here and there are down.

Ripley: That means someone's gonna have to go out there.

>Jorge Diaz                      

Joshua, who saw Aliens first, but still thinks Alien had some
redeeming qualities.

    "Each woman is a promise that she can't keep that appeals to
  a hope you can't control." - joe theseus, Deadface: Earth Water Air Fire

  jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca   Academic Computing Services, University of Calgary 
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Alien^3? How much bandwidth do we have?
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 17:57:23 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma) writes:

> ...it is clearly stated in [Alien] that the alien does not draw blood
> when it captures/kills. 

Did we see the same movie?  I'm sure this would be news to, among others,
Yaphet Kotto's character.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

"It's not the *gun* that kills you . . . it's these LITTLE HARD THINGS!"
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From: Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Alien^3? How much bandwidth do we have?
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:38:49 GMT

In article <z_bn0lc@lynx.unm.edu>, lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
> 
> Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
> 
> > Now, about that hangin onto the ladder in the face of explosive
> > decompression as Mama tries to yank her off. . . 
> 
> How fast a wind would it take to blow *you* loose from the kind of hold
> Ripley had on the airlock ladder rungs?  Nothing short of something
> capable of ripping her arm off would have done it, and you can only pour
> air through a hole so fast.  I don't see the problem.

"Pour air through a hole?"  That's gotta be the funniest description of an
explosive decompression I've ever heard.  Like calling the noontime sun a
flashlight, to borrow a phrase.  Anyway.
I'll reply to this, because this IS a plot hole, or more accurately a big
oversight on the part of the filmakers.  Unless you credit the notion that
they did it on purpose, to accent Ripley's superhuman motherly persona.
Consider: Ripley'd been through a bunch.  Probably exhausted by this point 
in the film, not to mention battered and bruised (but unbowed).  O-kay.  She
falls down the airlock shaft, clambers out of her loader, and starts climbing.
Mama grabs her.  At this point, she should've been yanked off; the Aliens are
insanely strong.  But it gets even better: she opens the hatch, and the cabin
decompresses.  Air starts rushing out with enough force to pull everything 
out that's not nailed down (INCLUDING the Queen!); Ripley's solution?  Hook
an elbow around a rung, and hang on till Mama Alien loosens her sneaker enuff.
NOT.
If you remain unconvinced, try this simple experiment:  Hie thee to a pullup
bar, do one or two pullups (just for the sake of argument. . .Ripley's exertions
Had to count for more, but what the heck), then pull yourself up and hook your
elbow around the bar.  Grab your fist w/your other hand, as Ripley did in the
movie.  Hold for more than. . .no, no, hold on!  Try again.  Hurry, all the
air's rushing out. . .

Kevvy Kev
"The entire world revolves around this wretched Alien."
  -H.R. Giger
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From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Subject: Re: Watchmen
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:51:02 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <1992Sep1.111018.417@comp.lancs.ac.uk> ega015@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Robert Edge) writes:


>	Can anybody tell me any more news on turning Alan Moores
>	Comic book "Watchmen" into a movie.
>	The last i heard was that Terry Gilliam was going to direct it.
>	Thanks.

	You mean you haven't seen it yet?  It's been out for months!
Everyone's talking about it.



NOT

someone fill him in, please,  I'm not up to it.


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From: rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso)
Subject: Re: Watchmen
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:29:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.111018.417@comp.lancs.ac.uk> ega015@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Robert Edge) writes:
>
>	Can anybody tell me any more news on turning Alan Moores
>	Comic book "Watchmen" into a movie.
>	The last i heard was that Terry Gilliam was going to direct it.
>	Thanks.

Last I heard, Sam Hamm wrote a script, Dave Gibbons liked it, and it's been
sitting on a shelf. There was talk of doing it as a miniseries to make sure
everything got in there.

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From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Re: The Hitcher
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:20:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.182410.13654@eecs.nwu.edu> kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman) writes:
>hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:
>>	I disagree.  The film did have your typical horror/slasher elements,
>>but it has something that the rest of those don't - suspense!  I was really
>>pleased to see a horror movie without stupid one-liners, and generally had
>>some surprise to it.  
>
>What suspense? What suprise? I can't think of one thing that happened in
>that film that wasn't completely expected.

	I thought the entire C. Thomas Howell being suspected of the murder
was quite a surprise.  Usually in this genre, police don't intervene until 
the movie is just about over.  When he was in the restaurant eating fries and
came across the finger, darted out to the parking lot, cops show (the audience
sighs with reliefe), and then they arrested him.  Motel scene - the same.>

>>The movie twisted and turned all over, generally
>>giving me the effect of 'what was going to happen next?'.  
>
>Well, after the Rutger Hauers character had gone away and come back half a
>dozen time, I began to suspect that each time he went away...he was going to 
>come back again. 
 
	True, but the question was - when was he going to turn up next?  The
scene where Hauers confronts Howell in the restaraunt, caught me off gaurd.
By that scene, I had pretty much deduced the Hauers character didn't like to
be around anybody he didn't kill.  Some of it was quite predictable, but there
was more surprise then anything.  This wasn't your typical 'modern' horror film
like I suggested.  The movie wasn't great, but still it was a relief to see
something outside of your Freddy Kruger 'You can't kill' creature!  

			-Casey Hopkins
			hopkins@agora.rain.com
			i
>
>Michael
>
>
>-- 
>Michael Kaufman | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on
> kaufman        | fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in
>  @eecs.nwu.edu | the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be
>                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Possible Foundation movie?
Date: 30 Aug 92 12:47:25 GMT
Organization: Exile Government of Bramming

Bob.Blanchett@f503.n635.z3.fidonet.org (Bob Blanchett) writes:

[Speaking of Dune]

> remember this?

> Opening narration from dune by Princess Irulan: "..Oh I forgot..."

That narration really puzzled me: Princess Irulan does not appear
in the movie! Or if she does then very brief. What is the point of
having her do the narration? 
-- 
No News is Bad News
From: exukozi@exu.ericsson.se (Tom Koziatek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: ALIENS 1-2-3
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:20:47 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems

In article <9224419.3340@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> merricb@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (The ELF) writes:
>
>A single man -on the same planet- is not much in the way of costs.
>However sending a single man to a DIFFERENT planet, in a probable
>hazardous situation, is expensive. Think about the cost of the
>life-support equipment alone. (+ weapons + pay). It adds up.
>Plus, leaving a man aboard can breed resentment among the rest of the
>Marines (so we're doing one mission, and you're staying behind...)
>Backups are only useful in LONG-TERM theatres, not short extraction
>scenarios.
>

I think a backup in this SHORT-TERM extraction would have been useful.

>Safety margin is having the dropship not near the action. Somehow I don't
>think "Alien-hunting" was included in the Marines training. Besides, given
>the choice between a man on the SULACO, or a man helping you polish off
>bad guys, which would you choose? 

A backup. If its possible that it can get bad enough that we need to leave,
I want a good, reliable way out.

 The Alien on the Dropship is totally
>unexpected, and the entire movie seems to follow Murphy's Law.
>[If your dropship crashes anywhere near your APC, what will it hit?
> The APC of course :-]
>

It was silly in the first place to land a dropship without an alert guard in
enemy territory. Yes, I know, its not technically 'enemy', but just a bunch
of vicious, hungry, devastating aliens is close enough.

P.S. Spunkmeyer does NOT qualify as an 'alert' guard. 
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Death is the Ultimate Victor............            
                                                                      -Tom

Note : I don't care that my location shows .se, I'm in Dallas !!
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From: agae@elm.lle.rochester.edu (Andres C. Gaeris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Possible Foundation movie?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:32:53 GMT
Reply-To: agae@elm.lle.rochester.edu (Andres C. Gaeris)
Organization: UofR Laboratory for Laser Energetics


	Other Asimov's novels I would really like to see filmed (with
Ridley Scott as director and Roy Scheider or John Hurt as Lije Baley)
are _The Caves of Steel_ and _The Naked Sun_.

	But my really cinematic obsession is to have a miniseries or 
a pair of long movies (with Cameron directing and Arnie as one of the
main characters) done based in the first two books of the P.J.Farmer's
"World of Tiers" series: _The Maker of Universes_ and _The Gates of
Creation_ (the following novels are really cheapo crap).
Just imagine the special effects! The girls 8-)~~~~~  The action scenes!
Idream of the centaur battle in TGoC with scenes taken from Leonardo da
Vinci _The Battle of Pavia_ painting and some brass, wood and percussion
(no strings, please!) music a la Copland.

Andres C. Gaeris
Apprentice laser fusioner and technodreamer.
From: walrus@bessel.umd.edu (Grig Larson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: ALIENS 1-2-3 for Windows 3.0!
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:02:37 GMT
Organization: Punkadyne Industries(tm)

How about:
 
Aliens: The TV Sitcom?

Staring:

Riley:  The angry, but soft-hearted Sargeant who command a wacky platoon
        of bumbling Company Army Men.
Iguana: The young girl who befriends "Bumpo" the alien as a secret friend.
Bumpo:  The vegitarian alien who has sworn off eating people.  Iguana has
        tought him to speak some words and dance.
Gleep:  The bumbling private who always causes mayhem in the Ranks.

Next week's episode:  Bumpo is almost found out when he eats the Sarge's
birthday present for his henpecking wife.  Bumpo also teaches Iguana that
lying is a bad thing.  Will Bumpo be saved?  Tune in next Thursday night
for zany mayhem and excitement only on... FOX!
 
Ugh....
 
Aliens 5.1 with Macros.
 

'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
! Oh no!  In printing my mindless drivel, I have cost the Net hundreds if   !
! not thousands of dollars to send this message to thousands of machines    !
! everywhere throughout the civilized world!  Mea Culpa!                    !
!                               -- Punk Walrus at walrus@bessel.umd.edu     !
'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
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From: a0s5108@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Neal and Mara Priestly)
Subject: Re: The Stand (was RE: Movie indentification request)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:45:16 GMT

In article <17ddtoINNehv@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> brettw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Brett D. Watson) writes:
>ccw@prefect.uucp (26554-wood) writes:
>
>>In article <92227.065231MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>
>[... description deleted ...]
>
>>Aside from the bird part, this sounds an awful lot like the Stephan King
>>novel "The Stand". The disease was a cold virus, created in the lab as a
>>bio-weapon, that out-mutated the hosts immune system.[...]
>
>>The ending of the novel sucked, btw...
>
>  OH!  OH!  You HAD to tell me that!  I am about 1/3 of the way
>through the uncut version.  I really like it so far.  It's very wordy,
>with lengthy descriptions but I like it.  Now don't go and post what
>HAPPENS in the end, even if it DOES suck :-)
>

ignore the criticism.  This person obviously missed the theme of the 
book.

-Neal
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: ALIEN question
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:53:12 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <5141@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, by seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp):
> In article <5803@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>>Nostromo is the main character in that book.  Sulaco is the town where
>>he lives.  Whoever picked the name Sulaco for the ship in Aliens
>>should be flogged and declared void of intelligence.

> 	Have you ever heard of the phrase "IN JOKE"?

Have you ever heard of the phrase "dumb in joke"?  I don't need people
wrecking the plausibility of film props just to show off their
literacy.  Sort of like Clarke's use of the phrase "Hofstadter-Moebius-Loop" 
in 2010 (the novel - I don't remember whether it was in the film). Bleah.

-- 
Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: ALIEN question
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:58:21 GMT

In article <5821@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
(Markus Stumptner) writes:
>From article <1992Aug26.172031.28189@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, by cmeadows@n
x.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows):
>> Maybe there was some sort of a point the directors were trying to make

>> some sort of parallel drawn between Richter and the Aliens universe.  
r
>> perhaps whoever names the ships is a Conrad Richter fan.
>
>Sorry, but who is Conrad Richter?   No hidden agenda, just curious.  
>
>-- 
>Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.
c.at
>University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
>Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst



I ***meant*** Joseph Conrad.  Please excuse me for having a defective
brain.  I must remember to have it replaced one of these days...

---Chris Meadows

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From: welter@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Welter)
Subject: Re: ALIENS 1-2-3
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:46:51 GMT

jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:

>In article <1992Aug28.132927.5514@fwi.uva.nl> welter@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Welter) writes:
>>>This argument seems to be going round and round in circles, but here we go...
>>>A backup is not needed (except on this occasion) because the 2nd dropship can
>>>be remote-piloted from the APC. The destruction of the dropship and the APC
>>>would seem to be totally unlikely again a bunch of aliens with no weapons...
>>
>>As you say yourself, a backup was needed on this occasion, so they should have
>>left a backup pilot on the Sulaco to fly the second dropship.
>>And however unlikely you should still be prepared for any emergencies, 
>>especially when you're several lightyears from home and help is weeks away.

>MHO: It was a plot hole, but not something completely
>unbelievable. Here's a look at how it 'might' have been...

>(Back in operations, after the crash)

>Hicks: This is absolutely everything we were able to recover from
>the APC wreckage. Five pulse rifles with full clips... thats
>good. One flame unit, half full. Not so good. Four robot
>sentries, and the transponder beacon so the Sulaco can locate us.

>Ripley: But we can't call to them... how long without contact
>before Neuman and the others send down the other dropship?

>Hicks: Two and a half hours to try to make contact, twenty
>minutes to prep the ship, thirty minutes flying time... figure
>another ten minutes to locate us, land, we can board, be offa
>this rock in four hours even. 

>Hudson: Oh man, we're fucked...
> etc etc.

See it's not so hard to solve it in a more believable way, this would have 
been a better way of keeping them down there.

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From: Robert.Winkel@p2.f158.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Robert Winkel)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: THE CLOWN IN "IT"
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:13:00 +1000

If anyone is interested I have a VERY complete listing of all of Tim Curry's
movies and albums....  One 'yay' will be enough to prompt me to post it here.

ciao. 
 

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From: gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green)
Subject: PLEASE - No more Alien stuff !!!!
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 01:43:37 GMT

AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE - enough with the Alien movies - aren't you guys getting bored shitless
with this topic yet!

Personally I'm starting to get turned off the whole idea of ever watching
any of these movies again.

How about starting a new newsgroup rec.arts.alien.agrovation

-- 
* Steve Green     *  "Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit outa my hat!"    *
* Comms Group     *  "That trick never works"                            *
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* CSIRO Australia *  "No doubt about it - I gotta get another hat"       *
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From: u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner)
Subject: Re: ALIENS 1-2-3
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:24:59 GMT

mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey) writes:

>In article <5804@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>>From article <1992Aug21.120846.15341@engage.pko.dec.com>, by boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (Two days and a wake-up...):
>>> In article <dejohn.714385608@unix1.tcd.ie>, dejohn@unix1.tcd.ie (derek edward john) writes...
>>> } 1  Why in aliens when the marines go down to the planet is nobody left
>>> } to pilot the ship in orbit?
>> 
>>> One might just as easily ask why all of the crew of the ship (or, for that
>>> matter, the Nostromo in ALIEN) is put in cold sleep, with no one left
>>> un-frozen to pilot the ship on the way to the planet. They apparently put
>>> more stock in letting the ship be piloted by computer than you do.
>>

>	OK, it's my turn...

>	First of all, not all of the crew was put into hypersleep while
>	the Sulaco was en route to LV426.  Bishop remained functioning
>	to monitor the flight and all systems, including the hypersleep
>	chambers.  This is the reason that many spacefaring groups insist
>	on having a synthetic on board.  They make great "ship-sitters"
>	over the long periods of hyperspace travel to other systems.
>	Source:  *Aliens* novelization.

But in the film Bishop *was* in hypersleep. There are many differences between
the book & the film.
From: Nigel.Bamford@newcastle.ac.uk (Nigel.Bamford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Alien 3
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:50:31 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU



Why all the bitching about how "bad" alien 3 is ? I personally thought
it was quite good, much better than the predictable aliens (one of the
most blatant cases of formulae film making I've seen in recent years).


Perhaps some people who use this and alt.cult-movies for discussion
would have been happier with the film if it had a BIG director, a BIG
cast, BIG sets etc.etc.

I think that perhaps one or two people were expecting just a tad too
much when they whent to see this film. And as for plot holes, well
there realy arn't too many films out there which don't have plot holes
if you look hard enough.

-Nige.

Nigel.Bamford@newcastle.ac.uk