From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:04:50 GMT

In article <12286@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.170552.13807@spdcc.com>, pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir) writes:
>>In article <12251@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

># #I'm sure of my sexuality -- but I would prefer that adults leave
># #children alone about theirs.  Unfortunately, there is a loud and
># #vicious faction of the homosexual community that keeps asserting that
># #pedophilia is not child molestation, and that adults having sex

What they are asserting is that a particular preference (pedophilia) is
NOT a particular action (child molestation).

># #with prepubescent children isn't necessarily wrong.
 
Yes, some members (not all) of NAMBLA think this.  Others just think
that defining prepubescent as anyone under 18 is stupid.

># So why are you taking it out on us? I don't think anyone, regardless
># of gender or orientation, thinks that child abuse is good. There are
># some pedophiliacs out there on -both- sides. Why does your crusade
># get focused on gays?

>Because the gay community won't shun pedophiliacs like NAMBLA.
>The straight community shuns pedophiliacs with great vengeance.

Really?  I didn't realize "the straight community" OR the gay one, for
that matter, could possibly do anything.  Individual gay or straight
groups can do things, but communities cannot.  Groups of people with
several million measures are usually not good to generalize about,
Clayton.  You may want to remember that.

>A person who showed up AT any straight parade carrying a sign for
>something equivalent to NAMBLA would not only be ejected from the
>parade, but perhaps from this world.

Of course, a person showing up at a parade saying "I'm gay" is often
ejected from the parade and beaten up, but you don't talk about that, do
you Clayton?  (For example, the annual Irish parade in NY.)

># In all the time of reading your postings, that is the one thing I fail
># to understand. If you want to fight pedophilia, great, but it is falling
># short if you only focus on gay people. I don't really think that you 
># believe that heterosexual pedophila is okay.
 
># The only difference is that there happens to be an organization on the gay
># side. Not everyone likes it, but it is there regardless. There is nothing
># that we or anyone else can do about its existence. 

>How back shunning it?  How back telling them they aren't to march
>in gay parades?

And how do you prevent them?  Beat them up?  That's your solution.

># Please don't fall back on the 'gays support it' argument. We don't. there
># may be -some- who do, but they don't speak for me.

>Great.  You know how much crap I received from homosexuals arguing
>that NAMBLA is not really that bad?

None, outside your imagination, I'm sure.  Given that you consistently
posted things that said "the age of consent should be lowered" and
reinterpreted those as "molesting prepubescent children is fun" you
don't have any credibility on the subject.

It is quite possible to think that the age of consent should be lowered
-- or even eliminated -- without thinking that children should be
forced into sex against their will, or that prepubescent children should
have sex with adults.  But Clayton won't admit that, and worse than that, 
associates his own pet fantasy with homosexuals, even though many of the 
people arguing with him were not.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Orioles 1992 World Series Champions
niepornt@phoenix.    | Mike Mussina 1992 AL Cy Young Winner
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