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From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Letter To Heads of State
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:51:12 GMT

( Shyamala Parameswaran <U15297@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>In the light of recent events in India and the aftermath
>in the Sub-Continent, we feel that this is the right
>opportunity to come together and make a statement,
>irrespective of our religion and nationality. This
>letter is an expression of our joint sentiments to
>be conveyed to the respective PMs of India, Bangladesh
>and Pakistan.

This is a good idea even though its potential benefits
are quite limited.

If this effort is also directed towards putting INDIA
in perspective in the US media, it would help refurbish
its image. For two days after the Babri Masjid incident,
the Minneapolis Star Tribune ran color photos of the
mayhem on its front page. Imagine the kind of impact
this has on the average reader who jumps from the front
page to the sports secton. He/she thinks India is a
country of violent bigots who have no sense of law and
order. While the reality is that this is an aberration,
no matter which way you look at it. When things returned
to normal, the news item was pushed inside to a 4"
column. And the average reader continues to think India
is still a fiery cauldron of religious hate.

My suggestion: write to the press. 

Satya Prabhakar


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From: pmainker@IASTATE.EDU  
Subject: Info on situation in Bhopal needed.
Reply-To: pmainker@IASTATE.EDU (Prafulla Mainker)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:48:44 GMT


I need information about situation in MP especially Bhopal. I heared that 40 
people were forced to get down from a train and killed .Does someone know which
sect was responsible for this ghastly act? Also which train was that?
An early response will be highly appreciated.
Thanx
Regards

Prafulla Mainker
pmainker@IASTATE.EDU
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From: CBSF20@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mateen Hussain)
Subject: Re: HELP FOR THIS ISSUE
Organization: Motorola
Date: 14 Dec 1992 12:32:04 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: tchowdhr@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (Tripatinder Chowdhry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.india,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: HELP FOR THIS ISSUE
Date: 10 Dec 92 23:00:07 GMT
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In article <ByzDAC.CF8@ns1.nodak.edu> penu@plains.NoDak.edu (Suresh R. Penu ) wr
>one of my friend is teaching a class for a undergraduate course and he
>feel in love with his student.  Now his position is such that he can't
>express it to her.  There is one more problem in this issue,he used to go
>to their house and he knows her parents very well.  Now he wants to tell
>that he wants to marry her, but he is afarid that their partents may think
>bad about him. And one more thing is that her father is a professor in the
>same school.  And it seems that she will be transfering to some other
>school after this semester. I am really confused here with this kind of
>situation and if any one can provide a good solution so that nothing goes
>wrong.
>  Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
>  Suresh

Dear Mr. Suresh:
	I feel very sympathetic towards your friend.  He fell in love
with his student, student's father is a professor, your friend wants to
marry her, but she is going to another school; your friend must be going
through lot of crises. But you did not mention anything about the
girls feelings.  It may be that she wants to leave the school to get
rid of your friend.
	But anyway your friend needs to READ the TA CONDUCT guidelines again.
His involvement with his student can lead to DISCIPLINARY action against
him,  further he needs to be extermly carefull of the FAther,
he could get your friends grades screwed up.

trip

You also need to mention what your friend's(or is it u?) risk factor is?
In other words, Is he willing to take all chances for her?(is she really
worth it?).
I think he should start by buttering up Mr. Proffessor first, and create
the image of an ideal gentleman(even though he may not be one) for himsel
in front of the proffessor. Also, at the same time try to spend more time
with the girl and get an idea if he may have a chance.
In situations like these,the "messenger approach" also works, ie trying t
to make friends with the girl's friend/s and use their help. Girls are
usually very willing to help in situations like these.
Hope everything works out for you. Keep us posted.
BOL
From: godura@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Was : Re: Do we need religion ?
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:06:02 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

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Subject: Re: Was : Do we need religion ?
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Fafat writes his lullaby :

>
>	Ruchir, the unbeatable ranter,
>	"Hey Ram, Jai Ram" his chanter,
        (yawn)
>	Bent down to tie his lace,
>	Fell smack flat on his face,
        (tickle) (pinch)
>	When he tried his hand at some banter. :)
        ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz...
>
>	FFT
>
>

Fafat the poor hindoo,
So ashamed of what his kindoo,
  Bash Worma was his dharma,
  And "Hey Ram, Jai Ram" was anathema,
For an ass, he made alla himdoo. 

Ruchir.

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From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: To be or not to be - ashamed
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:28:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Dec17.195628.23998@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:
> 
> Please explain. What did I miss??????????

You missed the posts and discussions around the temple/mosque destruction
and sunsequent killings thereof in Indian subcontinent, political actions
and inactions by the government and various leaders involved etc.

> >So relax, take it easy, nobody is asking you
> >to take care of the mankind.
> 
> That's a relief. But you asking that we should all bear the onus.

Well, I didn't see very many standing up for the protection of life,
especially those of Hindus and apathetic Hindus on this net who come to
rescue of Muslims at the cost of Hindus bear the onus to some extent.
They have brought shame to Hinduism as much as those BM destroyers
did.  I don't know what your position has been on this as you rarely
speak your mind on serious issues. What you, Rakesh Patel seem to be
doing is pick up on some statements here or there in your infantile
urge to flame-bust. I shall not be obliging you further.

> Kind of like blaming the entire German people for the Holocaust.
> 

Seriously, Holocaust could not have been committed without the tacit
approval of the German masses. 

Your analogy is however incorrect.  I didn't blame the Indian subcontinent 
people for the recent bloodbath following Ayodhya. I believe the ruling
Congress (I), judiciary as well as the Kar-sevaks are indirectly responsible 
for this bloodbath. However the issue I am raising is not who is to be blamed 
for it. The issue I am concerned about is that Hindus seem to be disowning 
their co-faithfuls in hours of need.

What I said is that Hindus around the world
ought to take more responsibility for the protection of their Hindu kins 
around the world. What I said is that most Hindus on this net failed in this 
responsibility in their fervour to denounce the destruction of a mere
building and should be ashamed of themselves.

You as a Hindu failed to take a stand on anything: whether it is
the destruction of BM or whether it is the burning innocent women and 
children while praying in temples in Pakistan.

You seem to be busy instead in stupid flaming without even reading
the context.

So yes, on second thought, you , Rakesh Patel, should also be ashamed
of yourself. 

Alok
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From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Transit Visa
Date: 17 Dec 1992 14:26:10 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

Hi there
Is a Transit Visa required for a stopover of 10
hours at Kuala Lumpur . (I have an Indian Passport)
Thanks
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From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Narrow Hindu Beliefs- was- Ram (Was he Fact or Fiction)??
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:39:26 GMT

In article <1gh5epINNd40@aludra.usc.edu> fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>Worma writes:
>>In article <1992Dec11.223854.7645@news.clarkson.edu>, rajat@sunny3.che.clarkson.edu (Rajat Kapoor) writes...
>>> incredulous. One of them being the conviction that the events described
>>> in Ramayan or Mahabharat are factual to the word, and any suggestion
>>> to the contrary is unacceptable. 
>
>	Perhaps because they fired missiles from Chariots? Look, Babloo,
>	Mahabharat is a great novel, a fantastic story. It does teach
>	you a lot ito social mores and values. But to say outright that
>	everything written there is gospel truth is not very palatable,
>	esp. when you make claims about nuclear bombs and aircraft. Like
>	I'd said, Gene Roddenberry knows not the abc of hyperdrive...

Vijay, I think Hinduism is the only religion, that will allow you to get
away with making a critical statement about its gospel. Try saying that
about present day Islam and their will probably be a contract out on your
life.

Don't get me wrong, I like Sci-Fi. :)
Beam me up, Ram.

>>	Do you know that descriptions of Mahabharat (such as Saraswati
>>	and Drawrika) are comming to be true based on excavations. How the
>>	hell a dying river of 1800 BC could be so talked about in 400 BC
>
>	perhaps because 400 BC comes AFTER 1800 BC? 

I love it! Good one, Vijay.

>>	No wonder secularism
>>	is thriving in India because Indians can be fooled so easily. 
>
>	Yuss. You're a prime example.
>
>>	When
>>	they are born in India, their parents talk about sending him to the
>>	western colleges.
>
>
>	aur tum yahan chane bhunane aur bhutte khane aaye ho, nahin? :)
>
>	FFT


You beat me to it, Vijay. This guy sounds like an IIT refugee.


Rakesh Patel
Rakesh PAtel
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From: <sukumar@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: For GCT, COIMBATORE Students - Sudden Demise of Dr W.G.K
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:49:47 -0500

Dr. W.G.Kothandaraman (former principal of GCT) died of Heart attack
on 17th Dec at his residence in Madras. May his soul rest in peace.

suresh

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From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: India sending army units to Somailia
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:47:06 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Dec17.114352@IASTATE.EDU>, jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes...
> 
> 
>Heard on CNN this morning:
> 
> 
>India and Germany decided to send in army unit to Somalia to help in 
>operation RESTORE-HOPE.
> 
> 
>--Javed.
> 

	That is the only good news about India since the period of Ashoka.
	BJP led revolution, at last, is showing some effect on the spineless
	GoI to act beyond secularism.

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From: janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jayaraman Anand)
Subject: Re: Secularism.. Overkill.
Keywords: communal carnage
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:13:31 GMT

>Surya N Kavuri writes:

>The killings in Hyderabad (if you prefer, call it communal violence)
>is ALWAYS in the areas where Muslims are dominated in number - such
>as the old city.  All the problems in the world today (including
>Serbians) seem to have a Muslim-connection.  Either these people
>are trouble-mongers or it is a surprising coincidence.


	If it were a coincidence then I live in Bangkok.

J Anand.
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From: ppatel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Prakash K Patel)
Subject: TESTING...........
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:22:49 GMT
From: sohan+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sohan C. Ramakrishna-Pillai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Murder of democracy? Big deal
Date: 18 Dec 92 06:58:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.gfAUAtO00WAoA1IEYk
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Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.indian: 17-Dec-92 Murder of democracy?
Big deal Ajai Banarji@unixg.ubc.c (3774)

> 		Murder of democracy? Big deal

>   What is so bad about the dismissal of the BJP governments in MP, HP and
> Rajasthan? There are umpteen number of times when state governments were
> dismissed on frivolous grounds. A few particularly bad examples were in
> AP in 1984 (Ram Lal vs NTR) and in Tamil Nadu in 1976. 
>   And don't blame the Congress alone. The Janata Party (which included the
> Jana Sangh) dissolved the assemblies in most of the Northern states in
> 1977 although the Congress had good majorities. VPS's government did the
> same in 1990.


I am no supporter of the BJP, but ...
The big deal is simply that there seemed to be a notion that the PVNR
govt. was more respectful of states' rights etc. and maybe a downward
trend in the number of instances of federally ordered dissolution of
elected state legislatures - a healthy trend which could have lead to
the setting of a consensual brake on the use of the Presidential Rule
clause and maybe even set the stage eventually for greater
decentralization of powers.
This action essentially puts down some more hope to the feeling that
PVNR was somehow different and more democratic and lends credence to the
feeling that PVNR is yet another politician in the Mrs.G, Rajiv G mould
who would willingly sacrifice the opportunity to build healthy
democratic traditions in the interests of hanging on to his gaddi.
Here's to hoping that elections are held ASAP in those states.
___
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Office: UCC 181	Phone: x6406 [(412)268-6406]

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  created shortly thereafter." Gospel According to Brew, 1:1
From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Date: 19 Dec 1992 15:53:05 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Akash writes:
>Fafat) writes:
>|> 	For the n th time, it says, " Yes, the particle does not exist in 
>|> 	any objective sense unless you measure it". 
>
>Prove it, O Heraclitus sans Logos.

	Think you've got me, eh? hee hee :)
	You're naive to think Science would make that sort of a statement
	without a proof. But as I had told you before, I am not about
	to repeat what I've been hammering repeatedly. Check Sci.physics.


>(You can't even prove that light exists even if I am not blind.

	No, I can't, not to you, for sure.

>I would love to see a scientific proof
>that an object doesn't exist unless you measure it.)
>-Akash

	You'd be surprised at the beauty of it. 

	FFT


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From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Re: A Joke
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:32:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.163331.1889@csc.ti.com> krishnan@ra.csc.ti.com (Srinivasan Krishnan) writes:
>
>If BJP leaders visit the US in which hotel would they like to stay?
>
>'Rama'da Renaissance
>
>Krishnan
>

If cocktail party commies and barbique grill blasphemers visit USA
which hotel will they avoid?
...kt
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From: thiru@lgc.com (Thiru Bollam)
Subject: Re: Secularism
Organization: Landmark Graphics Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:48:09 GMT

In article <BzFCoM.2s4C@austin.ibm.com> ravic@austin.ibm.com () writes:
>       I support every indian, irrespective of religion or caste, who
>    is willing to demonstrate his love for the nation by putting his
>    or her nation ahead of religious restrictions and by not pursuing
>    activities that are clearly anti-national and offensive to others.
>    This expectation from everyone who calls himself an Indian is
>    justified becasue no Indian citizen is forced to live in India.
>    If an Indian feels that he is better off in some other country,
>    he is free to leave. Just like many Hindu Indians have decided to
>    make America home, Indian muslims can go to other Islamic countries,
>    that seem to sympathize with them. It would be interesting to
>    see how many of these countries are willing to take Indian muslims
>    into their country. One thing that is not acceptable is, for muslims
>    outside India to insist that Indian muslims will remain in secular
>    India and will continue to put Islamic laws over Indian laws.

        You have one more person in your camp.
>
>      I personally think it is not the fault of Indian muslims. It is
>    the writers of Indian constitution, who did a terrible job. In USA
>    everyone lives by the same law, a muslim can't have four wives. No
>    American will tolerate flying of a black flag on July 4th. Try
>    flying communist flag of soviet union, FBI & CIA will be all over
>    you. The reason for this is not that the flag is not good looking,
>    but the incidents like this can be very easily viewed as anti-national
>    and can potentially cause harm to national unity.

        I thought the congie legislators have made the constitution so
        'partisan', ie., separate law for muslims and hindus. According to
        Satya Prabhakar, when another minority(christians) become stronger
        in number, I think it will have another law for that section  -(.
        
>
>        Any nations citizenship is not a right but a privilege, and every
>    citizen of that country must try to minimize activities that can be
>   viewed as anti-national and one's loyalty to the nation is questioned.
>
>-- 
>     Ravindra  
>      
>Disclaimer:"My employer is in no way responsible for my opinions in this post."
>Internet: ravic@austin.ibm.com                Phone: (512)-838-5163(Work)


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From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: India sending army units to Somailia
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:01:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.114352@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
>
>
>Heard on CNN this morning:
>
>
>India and Germany decided to send in army unit to Somalia to help in 
>operation RESTORE-HOPE.
>
>
Whew! What a relief! The world can now breathe easier. Those handful
of soldiers will really help (not!). :)

Rakesh Patel
From: vaghela@laxatv.reo.dec.com (Umesh Vaghela)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: PROUD TO BE AN INDIAN -a poem of thoughts
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:07:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: rdg.1992Dec14.180726.7669
Reply-To: vaghela@laxatv.reo.dec.com (Umesh Vaghela)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



I would like to congratulate Mayank Gour for writting such a true, honest and
touching poem.

Today, for the greed of power politicians take advantage of illetrate and naive
public, use the touching subject of religion and create differences between
people.

In my view, the mosque should be changed to be a mosque and a temple in one
so that people of both faiths can pray to their god under the same roof.

I would like all Indians whether Hindu, Muslim, Sikh or Parsi to be proud of
being Indians.

Fighting amongst each other does not bring peace.

I am Proud being an Indian.
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From: pankaj@bass.bu.edu (Pankaj Tyagi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: How many of us knew about Ayodhya before 1986 ?
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:15:11 GMT
Reply-To: pankaj@bass.bu.edu (Pankaj Tyagi)
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Dec7.193127.13718@usl.edu> sgs1679@usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G) writes:
>Yes. How many of us knew about Ayodhya before 1986 ?
>You may say, "Oh yes, we knew about it from Amar Chitra Katha..."
>(or from Valmiki Ramayana, depending on where we read our
>Ramayana from). But how many of us knew about the Ayodhya that
>is burning today ? Not many, I suppose. 
>
>Why do we know it so well today ? Who made it possible ?
>None other than the "great" man who got the doors of the
>shrine at Ayodhya opened in 1986. For his own political gains. 
>To him it did not matter if it led our country to hell. All that
>he wanted was that he and his party should gain. 

	Are you sure about that one? As far as I remember Ayodhya
temple was open long time before that. I can personally vouch for
that, having visisted in 1980 with my mother. I also remember seeing
the babri masjid, which was in no better shape then the ruins of Old
Delhi Fort behind the Delhi Zoo. I think the masjid was all but
forgotten, though I thought it was a rather unimpressive structure. In
any case, I remember that there were so many temple already in
Ayodhya, why do we need a Ram temple there, given that Ayodhya is not
a very favorite pilgrim place ( it is not one of the char dhaam ).
>
>Of course, most of us know who this "great" man is. He was the 
>"nation's only hope"(sic). He is "Bharat Ratna" Shri Rajiv Gandhi. 
>He is also the recipient of the "prestigeous" Indira Gandhi award 
>for promoting "peace, disarmament and communal harmony"(sic)
>and probably a few "coveted" Jawaharlal Nehru awards too.
>

	I am sure there is little to link Rajiv Gandhi with Ayodhya
issue, but Ithink you are right that issue first really came up in
around 1986. Boy think about it, I remember in 1986 VHP was a
non-entity and in just six years it has grown into a position to
possibly change the course of history.

>Disgusted,
>

Amazed and disgusted,

>--Sudhi.
>

Pankaj

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