From: carroll@gloin.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: Re: What is Clay's real motivation?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:59:40 GMT

In article <13747@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.190638.6751@hobbes.kzoo.edu>, k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie R. McCarthy) writes:
>> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>> >chrisb@seachg.uucp (Chris Blask) writes:
># ## ... I still
># ## fail to see why you spend so much time harrassing [homosexuals].
># #
># #Because they won't exclude child molestation advocacy groups from
># #their parades.
># 
># Clayton, was this a flip answer, or the real reason?
>    
>The real reason.

That's funny. I've seen you claim that it's because they're more
likely to molest children, because they're liars, because they're ....
Your reason for harassing gays seems to change from moment to
moment...



># Let me put a question to you, for the second time.
># ...
># The question is:  does your opinion of me in any way depend upon whether
># or not I am homosexual?
>
>No.  But unless I know that a homosexual really disapproves of child
>molestation, I have to use the statistical evidence that suggests
>that you don't disapprove.

This is an _awfully_ powerful claim. But fine. You have statistical
evidencee that shows that the majority of homosexuals don't disapprove
of child molestation. I demand that you show us this evidence NOW, or
else apologize to the homosexuals of the net for deliberately lying in
order to slander them as a group.

># If not, I might ask why you expend so much verbiage on homosexuals,
># rather than child molesters.  There are many non-profit organizations to
># help abused children that, I'm sure, appreciate any volunteer effort
># they can get.  You've obviously spent many hours researching and
># Usenetting about homosexuals;  if you instead donated that time to such
># an organization, I'm sure the children would be helped much more.
># 
># If so, I might ask why you rationalize your prejudice against
># homosexuals by lumping them in with child molesters.
>
>Because homosexuals on USENET insist on lumping themselves in with
>child molesters, by arguing that adults screwing 8 year olds is OK.

I have *never* seen anyone on usenet argue that adults having sex with
8 year olds is OK. I have never seen anyone on usenet lump themselves
together with child molesters, or with people who believe that it is
OK to molest children. The closest I've seen is people arguing agaisnt
arbitrary age-of-consent laws, because they're a damn stupid idea.
(Someone tell me why it makes sense that my sister wasn't mature
enough to have sex 5 years ago yesterday, but was mature enough 5
years ago today. It's arbitrary, and pretending that some arbitrary
age makes some mature is foolish.)

So again: I demand that you either provide evidence that the majority of
homosexuals on usenet believe that it is OK for adults to have sex
with 8 year old, or else apologize for slander.

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