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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: Re: Why do they suck?
Keywords: G'n'R
Date: 25 Sep 92 09:47:40 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

kevinboy@microsoft.com (Kevin Boyle) writes:

>A serious G'n'R fan has to ask himself:

>	What kind of band starts touring on it's new album six months 
>	   before it is released?

Does that matter?

>	Every band creates lots of music when it hits the studio.  What 
>	   kind of band doesn't cut anything and releases two albums
>	   instead of one?

Good gimmick.

>	What kind of band makes its fans wait hours so that it's lead
>	   singer can "get his head together"?

I'd hate to be waiting but it happened.

>	What kind of band wastes CD space to create personal attacks?
>	   Does "Get in the Ring" accomplish anything?  (I find it 
>	   embarrassing.)

The song is okay. He was making valid statements so I don't
see it as a waste of CD space.

>However, I must admit that after all the crap they've pulled and all the
>stupid things they've done, they still strike a cord.  "Don't Damn Me" and
>"Coma" really reach me.  They express something about myself which I
>cannot.

They are a really good band.

>On the other hand, I gotta agree with some of the "flame" posts, they do
>not have the musical talent to pull off "November Rain".  It's boring
>and nonsensical. 

It's just another ballad. Nothing wrong with it but
it's not particular interesting. It is not nonsensical
though.

>Their "Illusion" experiment was brave, but they are no Led Zepplin.  They're
>much more like Aerosmith (the ultimate Arena rock band) and they need to get 
>back to "grove rock."

They wish they were Led Zep (see Knockin'...... video) 
but the are not. They are a really good band but I 
would not compare them to Aerosmith (who are also a 
good band). Aerosmith are not the ultimate Arena rock
band, Van Halen are.

>BTW - Popularity is no measure of talent.  One only needs to point to Def
>Lepard to prove this point.

Hysteria was a great album. The rest of their stuff sucks.

Jed
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From: zeus@chopin.udel.edu (Michael Scott Price)
Subject: Re: Ok, Gunner fans, I jutst got told something I don't quite believe.
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:33:24 GMT

It might be. "Knockin' on heaven's door" is originally from the 70's...
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From: lrose@nestor.uucp (82370s-punskovsky)
Subject: Re: Ok, Gunner fans, I jutst got told something I don't quite believe.
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:01:57 GMT

In article <BvCuBo.JJy@news.udel.edu> zeus@chopin.udel.edu (Michael Scott Price) writes:
>It might be. "Knockin' on heaven's door" is originally from the 70's...


I don't know what the original post was, but "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" was
written by Bob Dylan.  He _and_ Eric Clapton have recorded the song, and
occasionally it can be heard on some radio stations.  I personally perfer the 
GNR version.



Lin
From: mlorenzo@flounder.rutgers.edu (boy geniu$)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: GNR Pay Per View
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:39:44 GMT
Distribution: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Perhaps the reason they were so good is because in fact it was 
during a pay per view performance.. They 

would have really pissed off promoters and such if they walked
out on that one!!!
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From: fox@cs.mcgill.ca (Colin BRADLEY)
Subject: Re: GNR Sucks!
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 06:27:42 GMT

In article <chrisc.65.717339113@ramrod.lmt.mn.org> chrisc@ramrod.lmt.mn.org (Chris Cox) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.005231.8922@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@moby.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>>From: donnell@moby.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
>>Subject: Re: GNR Sucks!
>>Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992 00:52:31 GMT
>
>[bits>>bucket4brevity]
>
>>Wasn't the reason for this newsgroup to discuss G-N-R privately, so the GNR    
>>haters wouldn't have to sit through it?
>>So hit "u" and get it over with...
>
>Actually, when Dave Alexander initially tried creating the group several 
>weeks back, he did state in the newgroup description text that this group 
>should be used for ALL matters relating to GNR, including messages which are 
>both pro-GNR AND anti-GNR.
>
>It is quite possible that these messages weren't widely seen as they seemed 
>to get propagated in JUNK (hey, it was the first group which anyone here at 
>LM tried to create, so it was a learning experience too :-)).
>
>Therefore, it is perfectly OK for people to slag Slash, or suggest that 
>someone axe Axl herein...
>
>Me - I care not either way!
>
>Chris
>LaserMaster Network Admin.
>
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Fair enough - but what is it about those of you netters that feel
you must contribute posts of a somewhat negative nature?

Don't you have better things to do than diss G'n'F''n'R's??
Get a life!!! And keep your damn opinions to your own damn 
newsgroups....

Par exemple: Metallica - they do suck, no matter how you look at them....

To quote the 'New Yorker' article;

    "Metallica are outcasts...Guns n' Roses are outlaws"

There's something rather *romantic* about being an 'outlaw'.....
-Guns n' Roses is [to quote] "The L.A. band that every other
L.A. band pretends to be..."

-And THEY'RE DAMN GOOD AT IT!!!!

"So whyn't you pour my apathy?" -Axl Fuckin' Rose....


-F'n'FOX.

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From: alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Alex Alexander)
Subject: Re: Ok, Gunner fans, I jutst got told something I don't quite believe.
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 17:19:17 GMT

In article <2073@grivel.une.edu.au>, bsercomb@neumann.une.edu.au (Shadow.) writes:
> 
> My Stepmom says that November Rain is a remake of an old song of about the 
> Dylan era. 

Axl claims to have written it long ago.
From: aa765@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Young)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: Re: SLASH, Great guitarist?  (snicker!)
Date: 29 Sep 1992 20:42:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


>NOW, what *I* want to know is just why the heck everyone thinks SLASH is
>some kind of guitar deity when in fact he doesn't really stand out *AT ALL*
>among other Rock and Metal players?
>
>I'll agree with anyone who says he is a *good* guitarist, he certainly
>is, and anyone who says he isn't is deceiving themselves, but he ain't
>anywhere NEAR Vai or Satriani, or even Eddie Van Halen in originality,
>style or technique.  And yes, yes I know this group is fond of
>Metallica vs GnR comparisons, but Kirk Hammett is *so much* a more
>precise and technical guitarist than SLASH it isn't even funny.
>
>To the person who said he "has the rare ability to put emotion in
>every note" , all I can say is "chuckle". Of course if you love the
>music, ANY song sounds pretty emotional but that is a different matter.
>
>I would say that SLASH sounds that way only because every single one
>of his songs is based on the Rhythm and Blues Pentatonic scale.
>(Known for it's "Sad, emotional" sound).  In other words, he isn't
>exactly very creative musically.  (That would include the November Rain
>every note" , all I can say is "chuckle". Of course if you love the
>music, ANY song sounds pretty emotional but that is a different matter.
>
>I would say that SLASH sounds that way only because every single one
>of his songs is based on the Rhythm and Blues Pentatonic scale.
>(Known for it's "Sad, emotional" sound).  In other words, he isn't
>exactly very creative musically.  (That would include the November Rain
>and Sweet Child solos by the way for those skeptics among you.).
>
>If you want to hear REAL emotion in that framework, check out BB King.
>That man can put more feeling in a *single note*, than SLASH can put in
>a whole song.  (with no offense against Slash intended here, BTW).
>
>So what's up with SLASH?  (Cheap guitarist theatrics aside)  Why does he
>get this undeserved reputation?
>
>Any Opinions on this one?

     Good point, but can any of the aforementioned compare
to the true artistry of Nigel Tufnel? How about 'November Rain'
vs. 'Lick My Love Pump'. There is simply no comparison...
-- 
                                             - C Young
From: hardym@nic.cerf.net (Mike Hardy)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: GNR/Metallica in San Diego
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:22:53 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: CERFnet

GNR Fans,

Four tickets third row center on the floor at San Diego Stadium
for tomorrow afternoon.  $150 ea or best offer.  Call John at
619-584-4000 and make him an offer he can't refuse!  Don't respond
to this post as I don't own the tickets!


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From: hyde@cwis.unomaha.edu (Don Hyde)
Subject: Metallica playing live
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:06:12 GMT

I thought I heard something about Metallica never playing to a crowd that has
seats on the floor. Did they change because of money, or am I totally
mistaken?       

-Don Hyde       
*no neet .sig*
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From: phoffman@orac.holonet.net (Paul E. Hoffman)
Subject: Re: Ok, Gunner fans, I jutst got told something I don't quite believe.
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:20:00 GMT

re: Knocking on Heaven's Door
>He _and_ Eric Clapton have recorded the song
Actually, many bands have. Most notably (that is, selling the most copies
other than GNR) the Grateful Dead. It was on the CD they recorded with
Dylan on the Dead/Dylan tour about five years ago. The CD version wasn't
all that good, although the Dead have done some damn fine versions. Nothing
near as intense as the GNR versions, IMHO.

BTW, some deadheads are open-minded, at least when talking to other
deadheads. The deadheads I've played GNR's Knocking for have all been
pretty impressed.
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From: denouden@cs.utwente.nl (Jan den Ouden)
Subject: Re: GNR Sucks!
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:05:54 GMT

A European opinion :

Axl isn't the world's greatest singer and Slash isn't the world greatest
guitar player (he ranks pretty high, tough), but that is all totally 
irrelevant. What matters is that their music really gets to you. I couldn't
care less about the media hype, what Axl did or didn't say etc.

The concert in Rotterdam (The Netherlands) this summer started 2 hours 
late, but Axl offered his apologies (went to see a doctor). When the chief
of police wanted to pull the plug at 11:30 Axl said something like : "I 
dont't care what you do now, but don't hurt each other. Don't let themm
win". 

Dutch concert-goers aren't much into tearing down stadiums, so if the 
lights had gone out everyone would have quietly gone home. However the chief
of police granted us an extra half an hour, so that the concert lasted 2 hours
in total. And that's more than average. 

After "Knocking on heaven's door" Axl said that we sounded louder than
150,000 Brasilians (we  numbered 40,000). I wonder if they say that to every
crowd.

As for Metallica : They've never been able to reproduce live anything that
resembles their records. They've got great songs, but live it's a mess.

denouden@cs.utwente.nl
 

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From: bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore)
Subject: Re: Ok, Gunner fans, I jutst got told something I don't quite believe.
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:58:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.171917.24572@lmt.mn.org> alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Alex Alexander) writes:
>In article <2073@grivel.une.edu.au>, bsercomb@neumann.une.edu.au (Shadow.) writes:
>> 
>> My Stepmom says that November Rain is a remake of an old song of about the 
>> Dylan era. 
>
>Axl claims to have written it long ago.

Well, there you go. He must have been around 4 or 5 in '66,
which is about right for the Dylan era. Did your stepmom
grow up in Indiana? :-)

Bill
From: bsercomb@neumann.une.edu.au (Shadow.)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: Casacaders Get the hell out.
Date: 27 Sep 92 07:30:14 GMT

Get the fucking hell off of this news group and go to alt.cascade where 
you can spread your useless drivel without pissing the rest of us off.

This group was not created to waste bandwidth like you people seem to 
enjoy doing. There IS a group created for this shit, kindly move yourselves 
there.

Brad.
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From: alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Alex Alexander)
Subject: Re: November Rain Vid.
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 12:54:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.152126.21981@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, lrose@nestor.uucp (82370s-punskovsky) writes:
> 
> Yes, we've debated as to why there is a half casket (which is the same as
> the mirror on the other half) but the only conclusion is that perhaps she
> shot herself (or was shot) in the head on that side that is hidden.  
> Hopefully we'll find out in the next video from GNR.
> 
> 
Somone recently said that they heard on MTV that the she got shot in a drive-
by shooting, which is why Dizzy (I think it's Dizzy) dives through the cake 
and the wine (blood) spills from the glass.
From: BXP5@psuvm.psu.edu (Insensitive Man)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: November Rain Vid.
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:36:27 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

A friend of mine who is almost as big a GN'R fan as I am says she noticed
something new in the November Rain video today.  She says that only half
steph's visible body is truly her body, and the other half is a mirror
reflection.  I haven't watched the vid since speaking with her, but does
anyone else notice this?

I am not talking about the half casket, BTW.  What I mean is she is split
longitudinally down her spine and the far half is a mirror image....

                         Dan
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From: lrose@nestor.uucp (82370s-punskovsky)
Subject: Re: SLASH, Great guitarist? (snicker!)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:03:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.210412.2330@news.cs.brandeis.edu> masri@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>Sorry to the person who criticized BB King for not knowing "how to play a chord".  That may be true, but Jimi Hendrix couldn't even read music!!  And I don't
>think you're going to argue that he was great guitarist.  I agree with the
>first poster who said that BB King gets more emotion out of a single note
>than ANYONE......and I still love Slash.  You don't have to criticize one
>to like the other.


Some of the best guitarist don't know how to read music, and have also
taught themselves to play.



Lin
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From: kls@thebe.ecn.purdue.edu (Kerry L Sylvester)
Subject: Re: Ok, Gunner fans, I jutst got told something I don't quite believe.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:01:15 GMT

In article <2073@grivel.une.edu.au> bsercomb@neumann.une.edu.au (Shadow.) writes:
>My Stepmom says that November Rain is a remake of an old song of about the 
>Dylan era. I went and checked up the Dylean handbook in a nearby bookstore
>and.... No Bananas. 
>
>	So, I wonder if any of the fans out there know anything about it...
>Now please, I know that sometimes songs are recorded as being written by
>a band, and that actually means that the NEW music score was written by
>the band, not the original song. 
>
>Personally, I have a hard time believeing that Nov. Rain is an old song...
>any people know for sure?
>
>Brad.

Your step-mom is wrong.  November Rain was written by Axl and Axl alone.
They credit Dylan with the words AND music to Knockin' on Heaven's door
even tho they modified the score a bit.  No one else wrote November Rain.

Kerry

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From: zeus@chopin.udel.edu (Michael Scott Price)
Subject: Re: F***ing Cascaders again!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:30:19 GMT

	Actually I think they'd get bored w/ it if we ignored them.

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From: mikec@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Mike Coleman)
Subject: Re: Ok, Gunner fans, I jutst got told something I don't quite believe.
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:57:45 GMT

bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore) writes:

>In article <1992Sep29.171917.24572@lmt.mn.org> alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Alex Alexander) writes:
>>In article <2073@grivel.une.edu.au>, bsercomb@neumann.une.edu.au (Shadow.) writes:
>>> 
>>> My Stepmom says that November Rain is a remake of an old song of about the 
>>> Dylan era. 
>>
>>Axl claims to have written it long ago.

>Well, there you go. He must have been around 4 or 5 in '66,
>which is about right for the Dylan era. Did your stepmom
>grow up in Indiana? :-)

>Bill

the inner sleeve of the disk states:

"all songs published c1991 Guns N' Roses Music ASCAP except where indicated.
Lyrics reprinted by permission. All rights reserved"

The lyrics to November Rain are credited to "Rose". Therefore, I conclude,
your stepmom is incorrect, and, as another reader commented, is probably      
thinking of Knockin' On Heaven's Door.

Mike


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Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 14:27:10 EST
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: Re: November Rain Vid.

Yeah, having watched "November Rain" video 3x in the past couple of
days on MTV 200 countdown I noticed the half (and, yes, longitudinally)
casket, too.  At first I thought it was an optical allusion, but, no,
I am convinced that we are seeing truly a quarter-casket.  In the
interview with Axl which precedes the video he again says that it
is based on a short story by Del James -- who I now know is a
sr. editor for RIP...where can I get a copy of the story??!!

     Lorrie
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From: dhyatt@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Hyatt)
Subject: Oakland Colesium show, plus a bit on 'Locomotive'
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 08:45:18 GMT


This was my first G-n-R show.  Like the critics, I thought it was good
but inconsistent.  Welcome, Brownstone, Live and Let Die, and Paradise
City were all completely outstanding.  The piano crap and "Lucy in the
Sky" and "Wild Horses" were pretty annoyingly forgettable.  The pyro
effects on Paradise and Live -n- Let were terrific.  The costume
changes weren't annoying, they were cool.  And at the very end, when
Axl heaved the remote microphone into the crowd, while it was still
on, that was pretty cool - "whoowoowoowoowoowoo" went the mic as it
spun through the air.  He gave it a pretty good heave, too, from dead
center field to the tower on second base.  I'm not saying I'd want him
on my softball team, but...

But someone mentioned before that they were saddened by the fact that
they have yet to see 'em do "Locomotive" live.  This is by FAR my
favorite G-n-R song, so I was disappointed too, but not surprised that
that it wasn't performed.  I recall reading in a Slash interview in
some guitar magazine a few months ago that Locomotive is nearly
impossible to play, guitar-wise.  At least all at once.  The
"chicka-chicka-chicka" background rhythm riff isn't very difficult to
play a few times --- but try playing it exactly perfectly in rhythm
for six, seven solid minutes in a row, and boy does your wrist get
tired.  It takes a hell of a lot of guitar indurance to pull that song
off live, and I think they have decided that it just ain't worth it to
kill yourself for that one song.  Plus, the tripled vocal effects on
the CD (Axl singing at his normal octave, plus at his high screaming
octave, and his low ominous octave) would be impossible to effectively
reproduce without the loss of a lot of overall "kick."  Knowhatimean?

Have a g-n-r day.  And who ever said catching a little dirt in the
teeth might be bad for you?
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From: kls@thebe.ecn.purdue.edu (Kerry L Sylvester)
Subject: Re: That distinctive ``Slash Sound''
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:52:15 GMT

In article <1a5jkgINNg44@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>
>Can someone please give me tips on how to get that classic sound that
>Slash makes with his guitar on most the songs.  I have a Epiphone Strat
>Please give me info on tone on guitar and amp set-up.
>
>Thanks
>Richard Banks

Well, the first thing you need to do is tune down your guitar.
Take EADGBE down to Eb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb.  Buy one of the Use Your
Illusion tab books from Cherry Lane Music to get the chords adjustments
too.  All of their guitar arrangements are tuned this way on I & II.
Slash uses a Boss EQ for sustain during solos and a Wah only slightly.
He uses Marshall Jubilee stacks and his Les Pauls are of the "Standard"
variety with Duncan Alnico II pickups.  The Oct. 92 edition of 
Guitar Player has a complete description from Slash himself.  He uses
pull-offs and hammer-ons ALOT.  Like I said, get a tab book and try it
for yourself...and be prepared to be overwhelmed with all of the different
guitar segments.

Oh, I think Izzy had more to do with the sound of GNR than anyone else since
Izzy wrote a vast majority of the music that Slash plays. Just MHO.  :)

kerry

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
From: alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Alex Alexander)
Subject: Re: November Rain Vid.
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 18:04:03 GMT

In article <92275.003627BXP5@psuvm.psu.edu>, BXP5@psuvm.psu.edu (Insensitive Man) writes:
> 
> A friend of mine who is almost as big a GN'R fan as I am says she noticed
> something new in the November Rain video today.  She says that only half
> steph's visible body is truly her body, and the other half is a mirror
> reflection.  I haven't watched the vid since speaking with her, but does
> anyone else notice this?
> 
> I am not talking about the half casket, BTW.  What I mean is she is split
> longitudinally down her spine and the far half is a mirror image....
> 

Do you mean throughout the entire video? Every time we see her?

-- Alex --

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