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From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: training considered useful
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:19:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.031258.13729@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>Phil Ngai writes:
>> Society will reserve the right for its children to be stupid
>> even if their parents are negligent.
>
>Stupidity may indeed be precious to society.  You seem to think

Children are precious to society. They must be, because they are
so helpless that any society that did not take extraordinary measures
to protect them would probably fade away.

You seem like the kind of person who would like to argue that
letting the children of stupid parents die is good for the gene
pool, but that would only be true if all parents were omniscient.
When that is not the case, there is in general an advantage to
adults looking out for each other's children.

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Happy owner of a new Mitsubishi Expo.

Newsgroups: ba.general,rec.arts.theatre,ba.food
From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: Don't Patronize Triple Rock BrewPub, Berkeley, Calif
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 03:02:11 GMT

In article <lcfahjINNmba@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> brada@bardlover.Eng.Sun.COM (Brad Albom) writes:
>
>Here's a quick, true story that will hopefully make you think
>twice about patronizing Triple Rock Brewery in Berkeley.
>
>The story starts in Orinda, on the other side of the East Bay hills,
>where The California Shakespeare Festival performs plays in its new,
>OUTDOOR theatre.
>
>Apparently someone at Triple Rock has discovered this and has hired 
>one of those airplanes that can flash lighted messages on its wings
>to fly over the theatre during several performances.
>
>Now, mind you that this is an OUTDOOR theatre and that absolutely
>NO sound amplification is used.
>
>As a result, every time this plane flies over, the performance is
>disrupted (or actually, since the actors are professionals & the
>show must go on, as they say, the audience misses some of the lines).
>Regardless, it's most annoying to anyone attending the performance.
>
>The Festival's house manager HAS contacted the owners of Triple Rock,
>but their attitude was that as long as 550 of the festival's patrons 
>get to see Triple Rock's advertising, Triple Rock doesn't give a sh*t 
>about the festival's performance.

	This is perhaps the most obnoxious thing I've ever heard.  The 
Armadillo Willies fiasco has nothing on this!  Triple Rock has long been my 
favorite brewpub in the bay area, and I think their porter is one of the best 
beers I've ever tasted.  But, having heard this, I don't think I could ever 
go there again.

	I only hope that the theatre is telling it's patrons before the show
or in the programs about this, and asking them not to patronize the brewery.

	Do you think that you could find out/post the name of the owners/
managers of Triple Rock so that any of us who wanted to write letters to 
them could direct them to the right people there?

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
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From: jensen@adobe.com (Freddy Jensen)
Newsgroups: ba.general,ba.market.misc
Subject: Need recommendation for House Paint Contractor.
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:16:29 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

My house badly needs an exterior paint job  so I would greatly appreciate
recommendations on which contracters I should / should not consider.

Some if my concerns are:

1. Neatness (do they do a good job and pay attention to details).

2. Cleanup (do they clean up after the job is done).

3. Honesty (do they break into your house while you are gone).

4. Price

I got a flyer from "Olympic Painting".  They quote a price of $925-
for a house my size (single story, 1500sq. ft).  Is that a reasonable
price?.  Has anyone had experience with "Olympic Painting"?.


Thanks

Freddy
--
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Display Products Group, Adobe Systems Incorporated
1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900, Mountain View, California 94039-7900
Phone: (415)962-3869, Fax: (415)903-0589, Email: jensen@mv.us.adobe.com
--
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From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:56:49 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Oct5.183129.15336@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> markr@mcil.comm.mot.com writes:
>I believe we were talking about cases in which suit was brought after
>the child climbed over the fence and drowned.

I wasn't, but if you want to talk about such a case, I think the owner
of the pool had taken reasonable measures and should not be held
accountable.

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Happy owner of a new Mitsubishi Expo.
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Bad Experience
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 00:59:43 GMT
Distribution: ba

In article <1992Oct1.051135.22957@Cadence.COM> phz@cadence.com
(Pete Zakel) writes:
>My biggest problem with Fry's is how UN-knowledgeable their salespeople are.

I know this to be a problem not only at Frys.  You can get this at
Comp Lit, or REI, or most other stores around here.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Newsgroups: ba.forsale,ba.general,ba.music,ba.market.misc
From: gregb@netcom.com (Greg Burrell)
Subject: RESERVED Springsteen tix for sale
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:33:57 GMT

Greetings to all,


	I have 4 RESERVED SEATING tickets for this Thursday's Springsteen
	concert that I would like to sell.

			Where:	  mid section 202
			When:	  Thursday Oct 8
			Price:	  $40 each
			Contact:  Greg at (415) 323-9000, ext 125
				  or e-mail gregb@netcom.com
				  or e-mail greg@mindcraft.com


							-Greg
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Newsgroups: ba.general,ba.market.misc
From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Subject: Re: Need recommendation for House Paint Contractor.
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 19:40:11 GMT

>Some if my concerns are:
>1. Neatness (do they do a good job and pay attention to details).
>2. Cleanup (do they clean up after the job is done).
>3. Honesty (do they break into your house while you are gone).
>4. Price

	I recommend Aldrich's Painting, at 415-726-3480.
	Gary did my house two years ago.  It needed a LOT
	of prep work (starter house :^) but it looks great
	now and his prices were very reasonable.
	He was very neat, respectful and honest and does
	good work.

	-A satisfied customer
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:18:04 GMT

>
>Nonsense.  Having just returned from a trip to Japan, I can tell you
>that in many areas the Japanese don't have the slightest interest in
>*buying* imports.  In electronics, it would be absurd, because it's

Yeah, like I heard that Japanese ONLY fly Japan airlines because 
(they boast) some wonderful safety record. Fact is, the US airlines
are (as a whole) much safer on all counts than Japan's airlines. Yet
the Japanese citizens are hell-bent on using ONLY their airlines.
It's called "brainwashing".  Now they move the "brainwashing" 
to rthe US.

>pretty obvious to everyone that the Japanese companies make better
>products more cheaply (see my other post about this).  In the auto
>industry, it's a matter of the U.S. companies not having the slightest
>clue about what the Japanese buyers want.  I was very curious about
>the cars being driven over there, which are *illegal in the U.S.*

I couldn't say for sure, but this is MOST likely due to EPA regs. 
They probably spew out garbage that our environment doesn't need-
Japan is less concerned about the environment than we are.

>Yes, that's right, the U.S. will not allow the Japanese auto companies
>to import the minicars and minivans -- I'd buy one in a second, because
>they're extremely cheap, very small and economical.
>
>Face it, the fault lies in the executives operating the U.S. companies.
>They're clueless, they don't pay attention to what people want, they
>don't spend enough time analyzing their production flaws, and generally
>don't care about much except their enormous compensation packages.
>

But do you work for one of these monsters?  Give up your job and go 
work for a "perfect corporation" in Japan.


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From: alaska@netcom.com (Nancy Bain)
Subject: any Armenian groups?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:27:05 GMT

Are there any Armenian cultural or singles groups in the Bay area?

Nancy
-- 
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From: alpope@Eng.Sun.COM (Alan L. Pope)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Breadmaker - Any suggestions
Date: 27 Sep 92 10:05:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: alpope@Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: skids.eng.sun.com


>From mcgrant@isl.stanford.edu (Michael C. Grant):
>
>....But heck it did to the other breads just fine, so don't take that as a....

Dough unto others as you would have them dough unto you?

---
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		AlanPope   <alan.pope@Eng.Sun.COM>

Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: stupid consumers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:44:08 GMT

>
>>>Happy owner of a new Mitsubishi Expo.
>>>
>>	I wouldn't be too proud of that.  Another reason our
>>	country's down the tubes.  (....took the bait, huh Phil? :^)
>
>I see, it's the consumer's fault, not the producer's fault.
>

Yes, consumers are allowed to be stupid! Remember the DRAM industry in the US?
Americans used to pay approx $3.00 for a 256kx1 DRAM chip. Then the Japs
decide to undercut (which is , BTW illegal in this country). Now, the Fat Dumb 
and Happy (yes, your word Phil) So-called-americans take the bait and buy
the $1.50 JAPANESE import DRAMS. The US companies producing these go
out of business, and then the japs rocket the price to $12 each. Who
got screwed when it was all said and done? The Fat Dumb and Happy AMERICAN.

TRUE AMERICANS BUY AMERICAN!

_____________________________________________________________________________
Let those who buy imports lose their jobs first!
From: sreiss@netcom.com (Steven C. Reiss)
Newsgroups: ba.wanted,ba.general
Subject: A's tickets wanted
Keywords: me and everyone else, A's, Tickets
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:16:36 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: ba
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I am looking for American League Championship Series tickets and World
Series tickets.  I am only looking for tickets to games played in Oakland.

I am willing to purchase complete series tickets for both series.  Location
of seats is not an issue.  I will also purchase single game tickets.

I do require at least 2 seats (together) but will also buy more.

Steve Reiss
sreiss@netcom.com
415-591-6192
415-593-3199
Xref: sparky ba.general:4221 misc.kids:25302 misc.legal:18175
From: leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Mark Curtis)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:28:49 GMT
Followup-To: ba.general

In article <1992Oct6.013608.26231@adobe.com>, pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
|> And what about the parents who do their best and still feel that
|> an unsecured pool is an unacceptable hazard? Should we deny them
|> the protection of the A.N. laws because some or even many parents
|> are irresponsible?

It's just your feeling and your judgement that it is still an unacceptable
risk.  If you're doing a good job of teaching your children values and
respect why are you so worried about it.  If you're not, they why aren't
you?  Just because you are doing your best doesn't mean it is enough and
I'm forced to cover for you.

|> >I'd be less hostile to your agenda if it sounded more like a sincere
|> >attempt to save lives, and less of an attempt to make the world a
|> >great-big-safe-and-happy-playground where you can dump your kids and
|> >effectively alleviate yourself from parenthood for a few hours.  And
|> I don't see how you come to label me like this because I think an
|> unfenced pool is unacceptable.

If you teach your children a few golden rules the pool isn't a hazard.
All you have to do is teach your children to ask first, not just do,
go, and take what they want.  They should get used to this at an early
age, because this will be the situation for the remainder of their lives.
They aren't going to be allowed to do whatever and get whatever they want.

|> >No, it's the same issue:  personal rights vs. public safety.
|> 
|> I think it's different.

I look at it more as a basic values and respect issue.  Parents who
fail to teach their children a few basic values aren't proper parents.

I don't feel it is my charge in life to be forced to backseat parent
their children.  The children don't want to hear it and their parents
often resent it as well, until something happens.  I end up with few
if any rights, but total responsibility.  I find this unacceptable.
You do because you feel children are a special case, I should be
forced to accept their risks and actions.  Once again a don't agree.

Accepting your view opens a whole can of worms.  How far do you take these
laws.  When is the child or parent finally responsible?  Who decides this?
Jurys are push overs for minors and crying parents.
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:12:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.180008.21720@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:

>Children should not die for the failures of the parents.
>All you have to do is put a fence around your swimming pool.
>If it saves just one life, it's worth it.

And of course, you'll be happy to pay for it, won't you?

-- 
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SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
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Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 00:56:45 GMT

>
>This is ethnocentric rhetoric.  What you consider unfair may simply
>be sound, aggresive business to others.  There are no rules but what
>is mutually agreed upon.
>

Yeah, and the sky is purple, too. Pickpockets justify themselves in
a similar way, I beleive.

>
>I don't stick to that issue because you take an isolated incident and
>try to trump it into an international scandal. 

NOT an isolated incident. TOSHIBA? need I say more? 


Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:45:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.011003.9962@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>
>Well, I don't really endorse anyone.  But I can't stand that jerk
>that cheated on his wife for twelve years, dodged the draft, and
>smoked pot and NOW wants to be PRESIDENT of this land. 
>
>I hate to mention him by name, but everyone knows who that SLEAZE is.

You watch what you say about Dan Quayle!


-- 
Maddi Hausmann                madhaus@netcom.com
Humorist, Satirist, Tech Writer.  Take your pick.

Centigram Communications Corp, San Jose California  408/428-3553
Xref: sparky ba.general:4206 misc.kids:25252 misc.legal:18143
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Organic Garden/Farm Work Wanted
Date: 28 Sep 1992 01:15:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I am presently in the Berkeley area finishing a writing project.
I am looking for temporary work on an Organic garden or farm
within 100 miles of the bay area, preferably north or north
east of here, Mendocino, Napa, Sonoma counties, etc.
I have about five years experience in organic food production
including chickens and goat milk production.  I am a writer  and
researcher in environmental areas and wish to gain further
experience in organic farming.
I have a camper and can pay my own expenses, can work for a
weekend or up to a week at a time, prefer a place where I can
prepare food from locally grown, etc. wages not necessary.
I can be reached at the above E Mail address.
Thanks.
Also, Santa Cruz mountains or vicinity also considered.
-- 
            Mike Romano     Univ. Calif. Berkeley
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: marcush@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marcus Edward Hennecke)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:28:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.220911.26650@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.201438.28137@dante.uucp> mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) writes:
>>As a possibly interesting note to add to this conversation, I just
>>got back from spending a few weeks in Japan, and while I was there I
>>took a walk through some of the big electronics shops in Tokyo and
>>Osaka.  Your problem seems to be with the Japanese corporations
>>undercutting American prices because of trade tariffs.  I don't think
>>that's the problem, though, because I noticed in Japan that the prices
>>on electronics goods are far, far cheaper than prices in the U.S. for
>>equivalent products.  That is, I could buy a Sony television for much,
>>much less in Japan than I could buy a Zenith television for here in the
>>U.S.  Now why, pray tell, is that?  Perhaps the Japanese companies
>>pay much more attention to what people want, and produce it for less.
>>There's no magic to it, they're just more intelligently managed, I
>>suspect.  If the U.S. companies want to compete, they should probably
>>pay attention to manufacturing good products for less, and not whine
>>about the U.S. government's policies, asking them to raise tariffs on
>>Japanese imports so they'll match the U.S. companies' outrageously
>>high prices.
>
>Perhaps, due to the high imbalance of trade, your dollar isn't worth a
>damn. 

But if the dollar weren't worth a damn compared to the yen wouldn't
that mean that the prices in Japan were outrageously high for U.S.
citizens?

Marcus
marcush@leland.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: marcush@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marcus Edward Hennecke)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 18:18:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.154144.2800@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>
>>Maybe US companies wouldn't need to do this if we weren't being attacked
>>from across the pacific, and dumb americans falling for it.
>
>Oh man.  To think I actually once wanted to attend Stanford's MBA program.
> [...]
>There exists an element of competition in any non-monolopolistic free
>market economy (don't they talk about that at Stanford?); Nissan is
>attacking Ford in much the way that Ford is attacking GM.
> [...]
>Is everyone at Stanford like you?

Don't confuse a single person's opinion with the opinion of the
university (if there exists such a thing as a university's opinion). I
study at Stanford and I completely share your views. Thus, I am
certainly not like Eric and I know many other students here who are
not like Eric.

Marcus
marcush@leland.stanford.edu
The above opinions are mine, they are MINE and nobody elses. 
I don't speak for anybody but myself.
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 00:08:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.183512.17582@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>I think fencing a pool and the traffic on Wolfe are different things.
>I also think the area you describe is pretty far from an ideal state of
>things. Heavy traffic and residental use are not the way you want to do
>things, whereas having pools in residental areas is good as long as
>they are secured.
	
	What's "secured?"  Is a standard yard fence OK?  Many city 
	ordinances prohibit fences over eight feet in height.  
	I say that having to have _another_ fence is unreasonable.


Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 21:55:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep26.192355.4259@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes

>In article <540nm5g.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>>I'd also like to think
>>that in the few years since that incident, people have become a little
>>more intolerant of negligent parents.

>That's not my impression. One father strapped his baby into a car seat,
>put the car seat and baby ON TOP of the car, and drove off. Car seat
>met concrete a few blocks later. Everyone was just relieved that the
>baby was not injured and the father faced no consequences from the
>authorities (except the big boss, of course).

I remember this story.  This might fall under the category of "no harm
no foul."  True, it was only by sheer luck that the baby wasn't killed
(the following vehicle elected to stop in front of the carseat instead
of swerving around it, on a freeway no less), but had the results been
less fortunate, I imagine that Daddy would have spent some time at the
big house.

>Happy owner of a new Mitsubishi Expo.

Happier owner of a new Mazda RX-7.  Wanna drag for pink slips?


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