From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Subject: Re: Hunters Needed (and all that Jennifer L. Johnson BS)
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:02:10 GMT


I have compiled a collection of the best of J.L.J. just to show how truly
far out her views are.  I hope you middle of the roaders are reading this!

Jennifer L. Johnson in talk.politics.animals rights:

>Are hunters afraid to test beliefs based largely on
>tradition and myth against the well-founded arguments
>of Ingrid and Wayne?

>My guess is that the hunters will prove themselves to
>be the cowards we AR folks suspect they are.

>My intent, of course, was to get some 'nad-brained good
>ole boy so fired up he'd just have to show up and participate.

>I hated hunters long before there _was_ an AR movement.
>Nobody convinced me to view hunters as cowardly scum,
>and no hunter has ever given me reason to doubt that assessment.

>I consider hunting as murder, and thus think of hunters as murderers.
>I would not choose to spend my time with a murderer.

>Reckon I'll head out to the Expo, cause they're more likely to sell beer...."

>If no hunter shows up at the debate, lots of folks will believe just that,
>that out of all the hunters in the state of Texas (and elsewhere), not one
>has the testicular fortitude to argue for the pro-hunting side.  Pretty sad.

>Then show up and set us straight.  I'll bet very few of you hunters have the
>slightest idea of what the animal rights movement is all about but, rather
>have a perception based solely on folklore and tradition, tradition that says
>"men have always hunted, so it must be okay," tradition that constipates the
>progress of ideas, and causes humans to hang on to their neanderthal past as
>predators.

>In my book, brainwashed beats brain-absent.  "Open your mind," says Archie
>Bunker, "and someone will come along and shove alot of crap in there." 

>Save the juvenile rantings for your buddies, please.  

"testicular fortitude," "more likely to sell beer," and neanderthal and
John Wayne references?  Name calling I say - and you talk about juvenile.

>You hunters keep talking about how this debate is stacked against you.
>If you're unwilling to even try to make this a fair
>debate, you forfeit the right to bitch about its unfairness.

Gee, judging by the compilation above, I wonder why they feel that way?

>I honestly don't know how anyone could deliberately and needlessly take the
>life of an animal and "go on."  I know I couldn't.

First of all it is not needlessly - I prefer to kill my own food and I
truly believe meat (especially natural meat) is essential to a healthy diet
if prepared properly.  And secondly, that is your opinion - spout it all
you want, but don't accept me to agree or to live by it should you try
and force it on me with legislation.

swood

JUST FOR THE RECORD DEPARTMENT:
	I made a challenge to our dear J.L.J. in regards to the fact that
I felt she was way out of touch with what hunting was all about.  I said
that I would be willing to put my guns and bows away for a day to go to
her state and to take her out to a hunting area to meet some real hunters,
spend a day in the woods and let me show her what hunting was all about -
especially how it to me.
	She proceeded to call me more names and call me a murderer and
turn me down cold saying "I would not spend my time with a murderer so
I would not spend my time with you."  Then she turns around and expects
me to drive a couple thousand miles to spend my time with a whole group
of J.L.J.s!

-- 
Michigan Archery deer season opens October 1st!!!!!
 I will be sure to be out there, enjoying the sunrise and watching the
  critters roam about.  Whether or not I get a deer, the sunrise will
   still be there, and so will I.