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From: schulz@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jeffrey A. Schulz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: '92 Daytona
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:16:47 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Apr7.203145.23919@ge-dab.GE.COM> jerry@stratford.dab.ge.com (Jerry Szulinski) writes:
>
>Hope you guys had a chance to watch this year's Daytona 200 on TV as
>it was aired on TNN past Sunday. IMHO the commentary was even worse than 
>in previous years, the worst point being their numerous reference to how
>Polen is handicapped due to his conventional swingarm. The way they made it 
>sound was as if Russel's bike did not have that handicap. As far as I know,
>it is just as hard to change a rear on a ZX-7 as it is on a Duck. If there is
>some reason why it would be more difficult, than they forgot to mention it
>(unless I missed it in which case I'm sure somebody will let me know so 
>that I can give credit where credit is due). I have a feeling that 
>somebody had noticed an RC-30 in the pits and got all excited thinking 
>that there can not be a Japanese bike around that does not have a single 
>sided swingarm anymore.
>
>Jerry S.

 Yeah, I couldn't figure that out at all. Those car guys shouldn't
 do the bike races. I remember the TNN broadcast of Mid-Ohio last 
 year, when that same guy referred to the TZ250 Yamahas as 
 "high-revving overhead cam engines".
 

-- 
jEfF sChUlz                      Internet: schulz@acsu.buffalo.edu
337 West Avenue                  (University at Buffalo)
Lockport, NY 14094               W.E.R.A. #177  '86 RZ350
(716) 833-5901                   President F.C. Ofra Haza
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From: d2cheng@crocus.waterloo.edu (Dominic Cheng)
Subject: Help on buying a second-hand bike
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 04:49:36 GMT

I am going to buy a second-hand bike and I would like to know what I should
be aware/watch-outs during the buying process.  E.g. How can I tell a bike
is not going to break down tomorrow?  How can I tell the bike have not been
raced (at least not seriously) ... etc.  Since this will be the first bike
in my life, I don't want to go wrong.

Please reply email and I'll summarized.  Any help grealy appreciated!
-- Dom
From: xcs50@isuvax.iastate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Oil line idiot light
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:25:21 GMT
Reply-To: xcs50@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

After a few mishaps, I learned not to trust the oil pump on my RD350.
In search of a way to monitor it, I finally put on clear injector lines.
Turns out the damn thing pumps air bubbles (big ones) every now and then,
even when the tank is full. At least I could see what was happening.
Since then I have installed clear lines on my RG just for peace of mind.

My RD350 has 30000+ miles on it, has anyone evr had an autolube pump
simply wear out? 

Randy Norian
From: tiberio@beno.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: WSB results
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:30:57 GMT

From last weekends World SUperbike Race

leg 1
slight
polen
pirovano

leg 2
roche
phillis
amatrain
polen 6th


overall
roche
pirovano
polen
amatrain
phillis
falapa
slight
monte
fogarty
russell
rymer
mertens

t

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: mctavish@zeus.UWaterloo.ca
Subject: ONTARIO, CANADA: Yamaha TZ750
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:46:47 GMT

	I used to go to a few races at Mosport and Shannonville (Ontario,  
Canada) in the late 70's and early 80's as a spectator.
	Does anyone in Ontario race a Yamaha TZ-750 in competition these days ?
	Perhaps a better question is : Are there any racing classes existing  
that would allow a person to run it ? (open ? vintage ?)
	How would the TZ-750 compare with whats out there now? I would think  
that it still may be competitive on the back straightaway at MOSPORT.
	Or is this bike ancient history ?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: F2 vs GSXR600; New Person needsHelp!
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:30:51 GMT

sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) writes:
>In rec.motorcycles.racing, 2frjcocoon@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>>P.S. If anyone has run into the PARENTAL problem and got passed it, please
>>     tell me how.

>    Move out, get a life, go to work, etc, etc, etc,  Visit for xmas.

What I did was have my Dad buy himself a motorcycle when I was about 14.
When I finally bought my own bike, he was so happy to get his bike back
that there were no objections. :-)

BTW, this doesn't have a spooging thing to do with racing, so followups
are pointed where they belong.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
DoD #46               My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.              FJ1200
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From: cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Cervi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 1 G = 45 degrees? (Was: Tire loading question)
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:34:05 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.racing
Organization: NSWC, Carderock Div. Det., Annapolis Facility
X-Organization: (formerly David Taylor Research Center)

In article <1992Apr3.211503.23940@bwdls61.bnr.ca> keithh@bnr.ca (Keith 
Hanlan) writes:
>The mass of the bike squishes the front tire down increasing the
>contact patch...
>It has something to do with the fact that the rubber is melting.
>
>Note that with race-cars the down-force is considerably more than
>1.0 G because of the aerodynamics.  The car body is literally
>sucked down onto the pavement.  This is one area where cars have a
>distinct advantage.

    I was watching the Formula 1 (auto) race from Brazil last night (midnight
Sunday on East coast) and David Hobbs (ESPN) mentioned that F-1 cars 
accelerate at 2 g's, stop at 3.5 g's and corner around 5 g's.  200 mph
aerodynamics must be something!

Mark Cervi
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From: tiberio@beno.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: world superbike results
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:24:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: seismo.50622


Does anyone have the results from last weekends season opener?

t
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: F2 vs GSXR600; New Person needsHelp!
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:10:48 GMT
Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.motorcycles.racing, 2frjcocoon@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>Boy I don't know where to start. For those of you  that get really
    Nor do I...

>I know, I know, it sounds like I am a really weak "Poster" but believe
>me, I know most of my shit, except how to actually ride. I've read all
>sorts of mags on everything from dirt, to cruising, to racing. I have
>some not so basic questions in regards to racing...
>
>        1: I see lots of stuff about compression and rebound dampening
>           on the shocks, but I have NO idea what it means.
>
>        2: When a magazine reviews a bike they often talk about carbeurating
>           but I have no idea what they mean.
    Let me suggest that you get some good books on motocylces, how they
work, etc.  I have been racing for four years, riding for 20 and I think
I am now to the point where 'I don't know shit' (compared to the guys
who really do)  A work of advise; since you really DON'T know shit,
be careful when taking advise from people.  Just 'cause the seem knowledgabel
may not mean they are.  IMHO :)

>What about insurance? I am 19, no tickets, wrecks, DWIs, etc., and want
>either an F2, or a 600 GSXR. I know it sounds insane to start with either
>but like I said, I am insane. BTW I don't plan on purchasing it until
>I've taken the MSF course.

    I applaud your decision to take the MSF course, but let me say this;
Don't get a fast (or hard to insure) bike right away.  Get a smaller
bike, maybe a 250 or a 500 (if you are a heavy dude) and ride it for
at least several thousand miles.  Call your insurance agent to list
the price differences between various models.  Your going to drop you
scooter at some point the first year.  Get something reliable.  Don't
modify it.  With a fast bike (f2, etc) the urge is too great to use
it and at this point you can't handle it.  Please take no offence, these
are facts.  We want you to survive your first year :)

>P.S. If anyone has run into the PARENTAL problem and got passed it, please
>     tell me how.

    Move out, get a life, go to work, etc, etc, etc,  Visit for xmas.

Rich
ps- keep us posted
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au
Subject: Oz 500 GP Full Results
Organization: Research School of Biological Sciences, Australian National University
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:34:24 +1000

500cc Australian GP -Eastern Creek 12th April- Full Results
-----------------------------------------------------------
 30 laps - 117.9km

  Rider      Country/Bike/Team                 Gap    Av Km/h Best Time/lap
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
1  Doohan   AUS/Honda/Rothmans Team Honda        0    153.545  1:31.411/22
2  Rainey   USA/Yamaha/Marlboro Team Roberts    6.822 153.167  1:31.664/16
3  Beattie  AUS/Honda/Rothmans Kanemoto Honda  18.425 152.528  1:31.919/ 5
4  Schwantz USA/Suzuki/Lucky Strike Suzuki     31.062 151.839  1:32.319/ 6
5  Chandler USA/Suzuki/Lucky Strike Suzuki     36.019 151.570  1:32.333/ 7
6  Lawson   USA/Cagiva/Cagiva Team Agostini  1:03.653 150.089  1:33.397/13
7  Mamola   USA/Yamaha/Budweiser World Champ 1:35.951 148.394  1:33.982/29
8  Garriga  SPA/Yamaha/Ducados Yamaha        1:36.250 148.378  1:33.923/10
9  Criville SPA/Honda/Campsa Honda Team      1:51.839 147.574  1:33.330/12
10 Duhamel  CAN/Yamaha/Yamaha France-Banco     1 lap  148.275  1:34.387/26
11 Goddard  AUS/ROC Yamaha/Team Valvoline      1 lap  148.270  1:34.412/10
12 Barros   BRA/Cagiva/Cagiva Team Agostini    1 lap  148.242  1:34.211/ 7
13 Crine    FRA/ROC Yamaha/Ville de Paris      1 lap  147.861  1:34.541/21
14 Catalano ITA/ROC Yamaha/K.C.S. Inter        1 lap  146.793  1:34.970/ 6
15 Sarron   FRA/ROC Yamaha/Banco ROC           1 lap  146.204  1:35.593/27
16 Arakaki  JPN/ROC Yamaha//Team ROC           1 lap  146.113  1:35.363/24
17 DoorakkersNED/Harris Yamaha/HEK Racing      1 lap  146.076  1:35.953/27
18 Rudroff  GER/Harris Yamaha/Rallye Sport     1 lap  145.743  1:35.717/11
19 David    SUI/ROC Yamaha/Team ROC            1 lap  145.743  1:35.993/11
20 Mitchell GBR/Harris Yamaha/M.B.M. Racing    1 lap  143.205  1:36.438/ 7
21 Buckmaster GBR/Harris Yamaha/Padgett's Rac. 2 laps 142.353  1:38.361/11
22 Schmassmann SUI/ROC Yamaha/Uvex Racing Team 2 laps 141.463  1:38.888/22

D.N.F.
------
23 Doppler   AUT/ROC Yamaha/Uvex Racing Team   6 laps 141.285  1:35.588/23
24 Laycock   IRL/Yamaha/Millar Racing         18 laps 141.760  1:35.579/ 9
25 Mackenzie GBR/Yamaha/Yamaha France-Banco   19 laps  80.826  1:34.487/ 2
26 Pedercini ITA/Paton/Paton                  21 laps 140.039  1:36.513/ 9
27 Papa      ITA/Librenti/Librenti Corse      26 laps 134.222  1:39.154/ 2
28 Graves    GBR/Harris Yamaha/Peter Harris R.27 laps 135.394  1:40.992/ 3
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Fastest Lap M.Doohan (AUS) lap 22      1:31.411      154.773km/h

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Neal G.
___________________________________________________
Neal Gowen,  XJ900, TY250 "Grow Old Disgracefully"
Australian National University
email: gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au
voice: 61 6 249 2492  fax:  61 6 249 2603
snail: GPO Box 475 Canberra ACT 2601
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: F2 vs GSXR600; New Person needsHelp!
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:31:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.210027.39395@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2frjcocoon@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

[never ridden a bike, wants a 600cc death-bike :-)]

Unless you have a shit-load of money, get some cheap small
bike first.  Then you can spend your money on good protective
gear, fresh tires, and lots of gas 'n oil so you can ride a lot.

Then ride.  Lots and lots and lots.  Get lots of
experience.  Then buy your dream bike.

You're not gonna be able to use the awesome performance of a F2 or a
GSXR when you start riding.  I'm just bought my 11th bike, an RZ500.  I
can't push it to it's max yet, although I've recently learned to push
my '77 BMW close to it's max (and keep up with ZX11s in the twisties).  It's
taken a long time to get that good.  If I'd have bought the RZ500
when it was new, I'd have killed myself, or completely wasted
the potential of the bike.

Another thought- you'll probably drop your first bike, maybe
only a 0 mph parking-lot goof.  Which do you want to drop, a
brand-new pla$tic-coated wonder-bike, or some cheap bike
you don't care about?



--
Eric Murray   ericm@microunity.com   Ride fast, die young, wear black leather.
               Real motorcyclists work on their own bikes.
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Date: Mon,  6 Apr 1992 17:33:11 -0400 
From: Steve Ha <sh4e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: *Wanted used motorcycle*

I'm looking for a used motorcycle under $3,000.  If you have an offer,
please e-mail me back.  Thanks for your time.

                                                    - Steven -
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing,rec.motorcycles
From: ijordan@fraser.sfu.ca (Ian Jordan)
Subject: Re: 1 G = 45 degrees? (Was: Tire loading question)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:57:56 GMT

 I'm having a slight problem with my v45Magna.  I figured out what my
gas milage was and it came out to 16mpg, I thought that the v45 could
get 35-45mpg and I was wondering if anyone could give me any idea what
could be wrong.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: mctavish@zeus.UWaterloo.ca
Subject: DAYTONA: Canadians?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:15:53 GMT

How did Canadian racers do at this years Daytona race ?
From: 2frjcocoon@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: F2 vs GSXR600; New Person needsHelp!
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:00:27 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Boy I don't know where to start. For those of you  that get really
annoyed by new user posts, feel free to skip to the next one (not
that I can stop you). 

Going through all of the posts has taken a load of time just to read 
the titles, much less what they're all about. 

I am an avid motor-cycle fan, with a specific desire to go at insane
speeds. Unfortunately, I have a few problems...

GET READY TO LAUGH...

1) I don't own a bike.
2) Even if I did own one, I would die trying to ride it because...
    you guessed it; I don't know how to ride.

I know, I know, it sounds like I am a really weak "Poster" but believe
me, I know most of my shit, except how to actually ride. I've read all
sorts of mags on everything from dirt, to cruising, to racing. I have
some not so basic questions in regards to racing...

	1: I see lots of stuff about compression and rebound dampening
	   on the shocks, but I have NO idea what it means.

	2: When a magazine reviews a bike they often talk about carbeurating
	   but I have no idea what they mean.

Other than that I have a pretty good idea on the mechanics of it. Now,
what about MSF? I would like to take the course if I knew where to go.
I live in the Kansas City area, and have no idea of any local places that
offer it. Not to mention the minor PARENTAL problem to overcome.

What about insurance? I am 19, no tickets, wrecks, DWIs, etc., and want
either an F2, or a 600 GSXR. I know it sounds insane to start with either
but like I said, I am insane. BTW I don't plan on purchasing it until
I've taken the MSF course.

Anyway, if anyone can help me I sure would appriciate it!
P.S. If anyone has run into the PARENTAL problem and got passed it, please
     tell me how.

E-mail welcome...
			Thanx in advance
			Justin C Sayre
			2FRJCOCOON@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: OZ GP, Who is BEATTIE
From: taylor_c@qis.dofasco.ca
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:00:01 GMT
Organization: Dofasco Inc, Hamilton, Ont. Can.
Nntp-Posting-User: taylor_c

I suppose this question is directed @ Neal Gowen.

Who is BEATTIE, the third place finisher @ the OZ GP. Is he the permanent 
replacement for Wayne Gardner?

Chris Taylor
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: twln5@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: TZR Mods
Reply-To: twln5@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:21:39 GMT

In article <92107.081132BONG@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, BONG@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>A friend of mine just recieved his 1992 TZR250 SP Kosinski
>Replica from Japan. He would like to know if he would get a
>significant performance increase by removing the auto-lube
>and going to pre-mix. Also, would there be any impact on
>longevity. I told him not to screw with it, but he's determined
>to make it go faster. Any experts out there?
>
>Eric Bong  DoD #0270
>1986 FZ750
>1987 FZR750

Not an expert, but...
  I just read an article on the Japanese spec TZR250, tested by Superbike
magazine. Theirs was restricted to 45bhp, it took a race chip for the
computer to get the correct advance curve and controls on the
electronic power jets. Does he have the 45 or 60+ hp version? Lotsa
power to be had there...
  BTW, the 45hp TZR250 was faster around the racetrack than the same
tester on a race-kitted RC30!!! Hate to think what'd happen with 65 hp.

Also: beware if the injection system also has feeds going down to the 
crankshaft. In this case you should probably not remove it as this system
is *probably* better than premixing.

Have fun
  Randy Norian

Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: mpd@unccvax.uncc.edu (Michael Parker Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Harley 883 owners, I need opinions!!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:23:08 GMT
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte


   The Harley 883 has had my attention for years,  Before next spring I want to 
buy one.  I really miss my Yamaha '78 XS 650 since selling it to my best friend.
Two cylinders feels right to me.

   An '883' would require some slight mods to make me totally happy though.  I
would appreciate any comments or suggestions or corrections to the following 
list of plans.

Initial Bike ----  Harley XLH 883 Sportster , basic model, in 'Vivid Black'

Initial changes ----  Change exhaust system to a Supertrapp 2 into 1.
                      Add a Harley-Davidson oil cooler
                      Change to Accel 9mm yellow plug wires (aesthetics)
                      Change seat to a Corbin Gunfighter & Lady saddle

Second changes  ----  Change ignition to a system which only fires one plug
                        at a time, I believe DYNA makes it.
                ----  Change brake pads to Ferodo's
                ----  Add a Screaming Eagle carb modification & airbox kit.
                ----  Change the camshaft (suggestions welcomed)
                ----  Change rear shock (I am  6'2"/200lbs, any suggestions)
                                        (OK, I'm loosing weight already    )


Third changes   ----  Get someone really good to tune it
                ----  Get leather pants for me (I'm ready)
                ----  Get leather pants for my wife (and get her on the bike)
From: ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joseph Andy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: 1 G = 45 degrees? (Was: Tire loading question)
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:28:36 GMT
	<ku1nk2INN1ud@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Howdy,

Shit, I'm posting something on a turning discussion...

emarsh@hyperon.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes:
> As for bikes cornering, a while back someone I worked with said that
> he had heard that a lot of racing bikes can manager more cornering g's
> than some race cars. However the cars can turn faster lap time because
> the can transitions through the curves faster. I guess it takes less
> time to swing a steering wheel back and forth than to toss a bike
> back and forth.

I don't have any numbers to back this up, but I would be extremely
surprised to learn that a race bike would pull higher g's in corners
than a race car.  If for any other reason, simply due to the lack of
downforce generators on race bikes.

> I have wondered about the cornering g force numbers for bikes that
> have been thrown around here. When I was racing the Pro-Stocker
> it would pull something like 2 g's in first and that wasn't so
> bad. As for cornering g's, my '88 Fiero GT is supposed to be able
> to manager something like .85 g's on a skid pad, but I can go through
> a corner considerably faster on my Ninja than when I'm sliding
> the Fiero; that tells me that I can manage .85 g's or better on
> the Ninja. (Kids, this is on Comp-K's, don't try this at home.)

Well, it's possible that you were pulling higher g's on your Ninja,
but I tend to doubt it due to the following.

1) I suspect that you were widening out the corner on the Ninja more
than you could with the GT.

2) I suspect that the acceleration the bike gave you allowed you to
pull harder on the exit of the corner, when g loading due to cornering
wasn't at a maximum.

3) I suspect that you might not have had comparable tires on the GT,
and that you aren't capable of driving the car to its limit (every bit
as hard as taking a bike to the limit, according to people that race).

Again, this is not a flame, just my opinion on what you said.  It's
possible that you may be an expert driver and rider and have performed
the comparison you mention under strict labratory conditions (but I do
tend to doubt it).

Mark

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