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From: MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: New Topps Cards Scheduled for March!
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:28:14 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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 Hi all,

 In the most recent Diamond weekly update for dealers, they mention
that the next Diamond Previews order form, which should come in
around Christmas time, will not contain Batman: Animated series
cards but rather *Star Wars* promo cards from the new Topps series.
Since this order form is for material to be shipped in March, I think
they're planning on a March date. Although many cards have been late
recently...

Marshall
--mjv@brownvm.brown.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:28:59 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: how much is the new Dark Horse comic worth?

Wizard places the values at:

#1 - $12.00
#2 -  11.00
#3 -   9.00
#4 -   3.00
#5 -   3.00
#6 -   3.00
     ------
     $41.00 Total

That's up from $17.70 cover price.

The 1st 3 issues have been reprinted and should be available at cover price.

All 3 Classic Star Wars issues should also be available at cover price.

                                                       ---Eric
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 09:52:01 MST
From: julie@alaska.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Dice in MFs cockpit?
Reply-To: julie@bones.et.byu.edu

These dice were the subject of a rather lengthy thread about a year
ago, when this newsgroup first started.  To summarize, no one really
denied the existence of the dice, and people thought they were kind of
cute, that maybe Lucas was trying to drive home the image of an old
jalopy more forcefully by using them, etc etc.  Someone said they were
the dice that Han used to win the Falcon from Lando.  Speculations...

But no, you are not the first or only person to notice these dice.
*grin*

"You could use a good kiss!"		JULIE
From: hofle@cs.utexas.edu (Andrew Christopher Hofle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Destroyer question
Date: 11 Dec 1992 15:57:34 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1992Dec11.135032.22235@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>
>	Can a death star house a star destroyer?  I know star


Sure they can.  Remember in RotJ when that Star Destroyer
plunged into D.S.?!?!  :)

--Andy

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From: nnhill@david.wheaton.edu (Nathan N Hill)
Subject: Re: Journal of the Whils
Summary: The final word
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:03:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.161953.9396@ac.dal.ca> lennon@ac.dal.ca writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.112958.2296@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk writes:
>> I always thought that the imediate prequel to ANH was called "Journal of the
>> Whils" (spelling?).
>>    In fact, I'm sure of it.  I had the original novelization of ANH and it
>> featured a passage from JOTW as it's introduction, and I remember that this
>> took the form of a journal kept by Princess Leia.
>>     Honestly, check it out.
>> 
>> So how come I've never seen it mentioned?
>> 
>
>I think that reference means that there is a book/document called the Journal
>of the Whills, which more or less chronicles a large portion of the history
>in that galaxy oh so  far away, and that each of the nine chapters that
>constitute Mr. Lucas's saga are but small parts of the massive history. Sort of
>like one gigantic diary for, oh say fifty or sixty thousand years.
>
>
>That's what I think, at least.

You're pretty much right, though I wouldn't call it a diary so much as a
imaginary history, something like the "Latin Chronicle" Geoffrey of Monmouth
claimed was his source for his _History of the Kings of Britain. For all of you
Tolkien readers out there (read: "Tolkien nuts") _Journal of the Whills_ is the
Star Wars equivalent of the Red Book of Westmarch.

What I mean is, supposedly George Lucas is telling us stories he found in an
ancient saga called "Journal of the Whills". Originally, the first movie was
called "The Star Wars: from the Adventures of Luke Skywalker, as related in
the first saga, Journal of the Whills." or something like that.

I think that "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away..." is meant to
refer to a long time before US in a galaxy far away from US. (Unlike, for
example, Herbert's _Dune_ chronicles, which are presented as ancient history
even though they begin in our year 10,191.) Naturally, a copy of _Journal of
the Whills_ took a long time to get across this distance and into the hands of
George Lucas. :^) And now he relates his favorite parts to us, via three or
more movies.

							local Star Wars guru
_____________________________________________________________________________

NEW SIG COMING SOON, I HOPE
					Nathan Hill, nnhill@david.wheaton.edu
_____________________________________________________________________________
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:35:32 EST
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Current SW?
Distribution: world
 <92345.193604DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <11DEC92111046@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu>

In article <11DEC92111046@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu>,
dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper) says:
>
>In article <92345.193604DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
>writes...
>> ----- Folks, I don't want to burst anyone's bubble here, but
>>    Star Wars is not meant to be taking place in our past.  The
>>    usage of the phrase "a long, long time ago" is not in reference
>>    to our real-world present time; it implies that the narrator
>>    is a person living in some post-StarWars era.  This concept
>>    might be kind of hard for some people to grasp, but think
>>    about it for a while.
>
>Interesting theory, but there's no indication of its validity--or
>invalidity, for that matter--in the trilogy (nor any any supplementary
>material I have seen.
>
>Lucas put that introduction in to give the story a fairy-tale quality
>(along the lines of "once upon a time..."), so I'm not sure how literally
>we should take it.  The original introduction to the movie was a bit longer,
>explaining that the story has no relation to earth, and could take place in
>the future or the past, in our galaxy or another.  His main goal was to
>disassociate his story from earth as much as possible.
>
>--Gallandro
>
>    "Take it easy, kid.  It's only a movie."   --Ham Salad, "Hardware Wars"

  Oh, I see now.  So those odd creatures running around in the
 movies aren't actually human, but bear a weird resemblance to
 humans ( maybe they're Romulans or something ).  Or if not,
 then we're descended from a race of space-faring humans whose
 technology somehow vanished.  What's Lucas' point in disassociating
 the story from earth, anyhow?  I mean, you really CAN'T do that
 when you're dealing with human characters.  You don't have to
 explicitly mention Earth, but the fcat that you're dealing with
 humans and not aliens brings implicit logical undercurrents
 into the story.
From: smp@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Samuel Penn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Splinter of a Mind's Eye
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:57:25 GMT
Reply-To: smp@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Samuel Penn)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Dec16.110915.2216@nuscc.nus.sg> law30056@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN KEN HWEE) writes:
>Wasn't Vader killed or thrown into a bottomless pit or something in
>Splinter of the Mind's Eye?
>
>I read it when I was 10-12 as well.  Can't say I remember much of it
>except Leia tried fighting with a l/s (against the big guy in black?)
>
>There was also a scene where they tried firing a blaster at D/Vader.

After crash landing on Mimban (I think that was the planets name), Luke
and Leia meet up with some old woman (I can't remember her name), who
is force sensitive, and has a small splinter of some crystal which has
the ability to amplify force powers (hence The Splinter of the Minds
Eye).

To cut a long story short, they get captured by imperials, escape, get
captured by ewok-type creatures, escape and finally find the crystal as
Vader turns up. This is in an old temple in the middle of the jungle.
For some reason, the roof collapses, trapping Luke, so Leia grabs his
l/s and fights Vader, and doesn't do TOO badly, but Vader eventually
cuts her up (not fatally of course), then Luke frees himself, and
starts fighting Vader himself. It ends with Vader loosing his arm, and
then falling down some bottomless pit. Luke grabs the crystal, heals
Leia and himself, then end of story.

Okay, that's about ruined it for anyone planning to read it some
time, though as far as I'm aware the book is no longer available in
print (well, I haven't been able to find any of the Han Solo or Lando
one's, so I presume the same goes for SOFME as well).

The woman's name started with a B (I'm sure). Damn! I hate it when
I forget a name like that... Oh well, I'll look it up tommorrow when
I go home (yes I've got SOFME, but not with me at uni, and I did have
all the Han Solo books as well, but I sold them all (something I
regret to this day)).

Oh well. Happy Xmas everyone!

-- 

Sam (aka The Eternal Halfling).  | "Ilharessen zhaunhil alurl"
smp@uk.ac.ed.dcs                 | ---------------------------
samuelp@uk.ac.ed.castle          |   STMFD junk,{intel,unix}
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From: bstdenis@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Brian St. Denis)
Subject: Darth's mask
Organization: Fort Worth Research and Development Center, Motorola, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 11:25:26 GMT


This is coming from memory, but has anyone noticed that one of the metal
tips of Vader's mask, near the corners of the "mouth", is broken in some scenes
but not in others?

-Brian
"Don't get cocky, kid." - Han, ANH
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: warren@apple.com (Chris Warren)
Subject: Starwars Music (WAS: Re: Han and Leia's Theme(WAS:Re SW Favorite Moments))
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Organization: Taligent.com
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:26:24 GMT

In article <BzA86I.670@nic.umass.edu>, HDW@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (H D
WALDEN) wrote:
> 	Han doesn't have his OWN theme, but one of my personal favorite  themes
> from the whole trilogy is the "Love Theme," which describes Han and Leia's 
> relationship. This theme is somewhat similar to "Princess Leia's Theme," but
> it's not the same. You were probably were confusing Leia's theme with this
> Love theme--one of Williams's best!!!

You might enjoy the Tchaivovsky violin concerto.  The main theme of
the first movement is almost identical to the Han and Leia love theme.
There are a number of other examples of these kinds of musical parallels
but this one is one of the most obvious.

Some of his other works like the 4th,5th, and 6th symphonies, Swan Lake,
etc, are also fun.

Other works/composers that apparently inspired John Willians include
the following.  If you like John Willians music you might enjoy works
of these people.

Stravinsky        The Rite of Spring (in particular the beginning of Part
2)
Gustav Holst      The Planets (in particular Mars, the Bringer of War)
Wagner            The Ring operas (Siegfieds Theme in particular has
                                   similarities to the Ben Kenobi/Anakin
                                   Skywalker music. 
Gustav Mahler     Any Of his 10 symphonies (in particular the 1st,2nd,5th,
                                            and 6th)
Richard Strauss   Alpine Symphony

There are others but my brain is too fried to remember...

Cheers
--Chris
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From: paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
Subject: Trivia Question
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:56:08 GMT


How many times is the line :

"I've got a bad feeling about this"

said in the movies and by whom?


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From: julie@alaska.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Names in Star Wars: Lucas's Creation?
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:48:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: byu.`n#
Reply-To: julie@bones.et.byu.edu
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA

hellmerj@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Jeffrey N Hellmers) writes:

> While reading through several posts, I realized how creative the names are
> in Star Wars:

(list of names deleted)
>  Even C3PO
> and R2D2 have a nice ring to them.

Well, R2D2 was a little term someone used when filming SW, and Lucas
liked it so much he used it as a name.  It means Reel 2 Disc 2, or
something like that.

"You could use a good kiss!"		JULIE
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr)
Subject: Re: why don't all you star wars fans get a life
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:10:13 GMT

In article <Bz44oI.3vs@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius) writes:
>People have reacted in force to this guy;  doesn't 
>that kind of mean that they are all nervous about the accusation that they
>don't have lives?  I think it would be more productive to carry on and blow
>off the dork posts.

Actually, I thought it was a nice change from the usual, isn't-this-in-the-
FAQ-yet posts.  I was just jumping at the chance to move on to something
different, and the get-a-life post was just ripe for the picking 8^) ...

>Reader 2 -- "Why don't you call yourself a dweeb because you're on the net too?
>            (what does that prove?  That we're all dweebs?  sigh...)

I think this was referring to my post.  Who knows?

>Does it really *matter* what some non-Star Wars fan is saying here?  He certainldoesn't get to read the network very often.  He sure as hell won't be reading it
>in the near future.  And his remark has managed to generate about fifty posts!!
>I feel that the responses here indicate a great amount of insecurity.

It gave some of us a chance to defend these great movies, that is all.  Nothing
more, nothing less.  And hopefully will generate more Star Wars related (yeah,
right.) topics 8^) ...

>SO WHY IS EVERYBODY STILL DEFENDING THEMSELVES ABOUT THE ORIGINAL CRACK?!?!?

Why not?  It was fun ...

>Do you honestly believe the guy was right about your not having lives?

Not really.

>That's what comes across...

Well, I hope this sets it straight.

>But that's not my feeling.  I know I've wasted enough bandwidth on a tired-out
>subject, so I'll close.  May the Force be with you all.

And you.

>Marius
>ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

						Ron
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Could the Keeper of the Star Wars FTP please e-mail me
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:36:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Dec13.193626.4614
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

Header pretty much says it all.. I forgot who is doing the Star Wars
stuff...

Dave
==============================================================
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From: mkend@cs.monash.edu.au (Michael Kend)
Subject: Star Wars Toys and Values
Summary: Help
Keywords: Toys and Values
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:44:27 GMT

	Please can somebody e-mail me the ($US) value of the following toys
in mint condition:

	Vader Tie Fighter (swars)
	Darth Vader Star Destroyer Playset (Kenner) (esb)
	Darth Vader figure on Star Wars card  
	C3PO Figure on SWARS card
	Vader Tie Fighter (Die cast) Swars card.

Thanks...

	e-mail : mkend@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au

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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise,Finger me - I love it.)
Subject: Re: Upcoming comics...
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:58:31 GMT

From article <1992Dec14.011237.13605@njitgw.njit.edu>, by bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler):
> Now the bad news:  the story will be written by Louise Simonson.
> Those of you who don't collect comics won't recognize the name, but
> suffice it to say, she is not a particularly good writer (at least,
> of comic books).  *Sigh*  Is it worth THAT to get new Star Wars
> stories?

	Really?!  I knew Tom (Veitch, author of Dark Empire) was talking about
writing something thousands of years in the past, but indications were that
he was going to write it.

	Louise Simonson, eh?  She can be credited with the total decimation
of at least 2 decent comics in recent years.  First and formost was X-Factor.
Then the New Mutants.  And while I realize she was not the driving force
behind it, I'll still blame her for the Superman debacle.  She should have
remained an editor...

	On the subject of SW comics, I recently re-read Dark Empire and have
changed my mind about it - it certainly could been done better.  While I 
really thought the story was fresh and exciting, most of Veitch's 
characterizations really turned me off.  For instance, issue #4 when
one of the Emporor's guards is holding back Han, Leia slashes "it's" hand
and shouts "Let go of my husband, you overgrown freak!"  I have to question
what the hell happened to such a powerful figure in ANH and ESB.

 TTYL
 Chris
From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: IG-88
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:58:43 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <1992Dec15.220314.5740@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:

"	Some people have written on this net about how neat
 IG-88 looked.  Actually, I thought he was kind of spindly, but
 he *did* have a really neat machine-gun like laser rifle.
 Nevertheless, I think the concept of the character really makes
 no sense.  I mean, would a droid really make a good bounty
 hunter?  He'd have no human intuition to go on, and he
 certainly wouldn't have any way to make "contacts" like human
 bounty hunters could.  I read somewhere that his owners "rent"
 him out for bounty hunting, but I sure wouldn't pay.  I'd even
 hire out those hideous insect-like ones before him.
 
						-Quinn           "

Well, speaking from the RPG perspective, I'd classify it as an assasin
(sp?) droid who no longer has a master.  These guys just kill for
pleasure (which as the C3PO sceen in ANH and the lubrication fluid is
a very plausible feeling for a droid).

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
At: University of Minnesota, Duluth
 


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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: What a battle!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:10:29 GMT

s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:

>     Okay, here goes.  If you put the starwars guys up against the new 
>generation Star Trek guys and threw in a sideline where the Battle Star
>Galactica Guys arrived on the scene, Who do you think would win?

     Whoever owned the merchandising rights.



                              --Steve Stelter
                                sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: abaker@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Evil One)
Subject: Re: ..last hope. No there is another one.
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:16:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.061342.5771@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> stein_gs@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Glenn S Stein) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.075916.13690@anasazi.com> rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr) writes:
>>>Recall that Yoda said "Always emotion is the future..." 
>>                               ^^^^^^^
>>                               in motion
>Since Yoda is replying to Luke's "I see them in pain (an EMOTION), I'd say
>you're wrong.  I don't have the script, but emotion fits much better.

Do you realize how little sense it makes for it to be "emotion" rather than 
"in motion"?  If it was "emotion" than it is saying that the future is 
emotion.  This doesn't make any sense to me.  However if it is "in motion",
as I specifically remember it being, than it means that as time is passing
in the present it is also passing in the future.  This can be interpreted
to mean that either the future is not always certain or that you can not
visualize any one particular time in the future (ie look at a still picture
of the future or 'rewind' what you just saw.)  Face it "emotion" just DOES 
NOT MAKE SENSE in this context.

The Evil One
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars trilogy on LD?
Date: 18 Dec 92 07:47:40
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Distribution: usa
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In-reply-to: Curt.Fortenberry@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM's message of 17 Dec 92 22:49:59 GMT

>>>>> On 17 Dec 92 22:49:59 GMT, Curt.Fortenberry@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Curt Fortenberry) said:

Fortenberry> Does anyone know if 20th Century is coming out with the
Fortenberry> special video set that just came out on laserdisc?  I
Fortenberry> know that they have each individual movie on LD with the
Fortenberry> widescreen format, but it would be nice to also have the
Fortenberry> special inserts and box that come with the video set.

Fortenberry> (I also love the Hologram on the box!)

The hell with that stuff. The 3 should all be remastered and in CAV
LBX format, with supplements for each movie, like the one's given in
the Alien and Aliens sets. If they do it, they better go all the way.
I would happily pay $100 for each movie, if these thing were on it.
Probably never happen though. The only reason the new VHS set was
released was becaues it was LBX'ed which dosen't happen on VHS that
often. But at least VCR owners can now enjoy the magic of the Trilogy
in it's original wide screen format. 


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