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From: i921652@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (  ***THE WIZZARD***)
Newsgroups: soc.penpals
Subject: Re: Desperado's or what!
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:36:59 GMT
Organization: UCNV, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia

In article <1874@sheoak.bcae.oz.au> i925936@redgum.bcae.oz.au (-The Shadow-) writes:
<stuff deleted>
>Kane and Jared wouldn't mind some replies either.
>And if you think that I was desperate, I ain't nothing compared to these
>two guys!!!!
>
>Richard i925936@redgum.ucnv.edu.au
>
No comment Richard........I'll deal with this off the net :)

Jared
From: Robyn_Clark@mindlink.bc.ca (Robyn Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.penpals
Subject: FEMALE AUSTRALIAN PENPAL
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:21:57 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

G'Day Mate! I'm not sure if this is going to get out so consider this a "TEST".
I'm new to this game so will put together a Personal Profile and post it at a
later date. In the meantime my address is as follows:

Robyn Clark
#201-8760 Blundell Road
Richmond, British Columbia  V6Y 1K2
CANADA

Telephone: Country Code (1) Area Code (604) 279-9739

Xref: sparky soc.penpals:1447 soc.singles:21428 talk.bizarre:23975
From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.penpals,soc.singles,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Iguanas, and more...
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:27:15 GMT
	<MARTINC.92Jul29175359@grover.cs.unc.edu>
	<1992Jul30.124429.7460@wetware.com>
Followup-To: soc.penpals
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
In-reply-to: drieux@wetware.com's message of 30 Jul 92 12:44:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.124429.7460@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:

   martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:

   ] Is the baseball bat between his own legs, or those of the iguana?
   ] 
   ] And why do I feel like I'm having a talk.bizarre flashback?


   relax, calm down,
   its only reality creeping
   creeping, creeping up on
   you very slowly.

Damn.  I hate it when that happens.
--
Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu/(ne crm@cs.duke.edu) 
O/Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
H/3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
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"I am he who walks the States with a barb'd tongue, questioning every
one I meet,/Who are you that wanted only to be told what you knew
before?/ Who are you that wanted only a book to join you in your
nonsense?"  _Leaves of Grass_ xxiii.4.
From: asim@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Asim Rehman Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.penpals
Subject: waiting for thy replies!
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:53:13 GMT
Reply-To: asim@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Asim Rehman Khan)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: asim@happy.cc.utexas.edu

Hi everybody!                

My name is Asim Khan and i'm a (just turned) 23 yr old male. I am studying in the University of Texas at Austin in US.  I would really like to communicate with  ppl from all over the globe on anything you want to talk on.
My major interests are Books, appreciating nature and wildlife, meeting or (trying to meet) new ppl and selected music and films.  
It's my first time in this group but i'm hoping that there will be some replies. Let's wait and see!!

Asim Khan ( the wrath of khan, descendent of Ganges Khan)
From: S_PFEFFERKOR@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Felix 'Pepe' Pfefferkorn)
Newsgroups: soc.penpals
Subject: Old Soviets, interested in Computer Science?
Date: 24 Jul 1992 10:30:24 GMT
Organization: Uni Karlsruhe, Informatik Rechnerabteilung
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: irav18.ira.uka.de
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

Hey, people from the former SU!

I'm studying Computer Science in Karlsruhe, Germany and would like to get
contact to anyone of you using English, German or French to chat (I'm sorry,
but your languages are soooo complicated). I mail and chat about anything, but
some interesting topics are: Computer Science, good old C=64, Relay (yep, chatting around the
world via relay/EARN), Music (active&passive, sailing, politics or confessions.
Anyhow, as mentioned earlier, I talk about everything [this makes lots of
people around me angry :-)].

Please notice: You should not mail to the address given in the header
(S_PFEFFERKOR@...). Use the addresses below (One for EARN/BITNET, the other
for INTERNET). 

Greetings to the world!

-pepe-

+-----------------------------------------------------------+
|                                                           |
| Felix Pfefferkorn        ukb3@ibm3090.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de |
|                                       ukb3@dkauni2.bitnet |
| Rintheimer Hauptstr.142                                   |
| D-75 Karlsruhe 1        +---------------------------------+--------------+
|                         |                                                | 
+-------------------------+ Vorbeugen ist besser als auf die Schuhe kotzen |
                          |                                                |
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Newsgroups: soc.penpals
From: keyser@oliver.sun.ac.za (P.W. Keyser)
Subject: Anyone in Namibia?
Reply-To: keyser@cs.sun.ac.za
Organization: Universiteit van Stellenbosch, R.S.A.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:12:02 GMT

I would like to hear from anyone in Namibia. Please e-mail directly.

--
  Wouter

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P.W. Keyser                      e-mail:keyser@cs.sun.ac.za         
Departement Rekenaarswetenskap,  "These Romans are crazy" - Obelix  
U.S., Stellenbosch, 7600, R.S.A.
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From: parth2@aol.com
Newsgroups: soc.penpals
Subject: Looking for U.K. and Germany
Date: 29 Jul 1992 11:33:42 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

The following two people are looking for E-Mail penpals via the Internet -

brenan1@aol.com  - United Kingdom

docobee@aol.com  - Germany

Mike
Newsgroups: soc.penpals
From: mglazer@eleceng.uct.ac.za (MARTIN GLAZER)
Subject: Martin Does Europe
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 14:56:45 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town

Hi

Now that I have your attention.

I am keen to make netpals, with the objective of finding out about European 
coutries that I intend visiting next month.

I will first be working at the Technische Hochschule Darmstadt for 6 weeks 
then I will be travelling around to other European coutries. 

So any one out there please e-mail.

I will respond to all e-mail.

Cheers

Martin Glazer
INTERNET: mglazer@eleceng.uct.ac
From: i925936@redgum.bcae.oz.au (-The Shadow-)
Newsgroups: soc.penpals
Subject: Desperado's or what!
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:28:11 GMT
Organization: UCNV, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
Originator: i925936@redgum.ucnv.edu.au

As you may have noticed, there have been a few desperados  posting from
redgum at the ucnv for email pals. C'mon guys and gals! I have only got
2 replies so far! Thanks Sheri and Crystal. But surely, I can't be that
boring to get only a measly  2 replies! I don't care if I hav e 20 email
pals I will write to all of you!!!!!

Kane and Jared wouldn't mind some replies either.
And if you think that I was desperate, I ain't nothing compared to these
two guys!!!!

Richard i925936@redgum.ucnv.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.penpals
From: puter@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com (PuterDude)
Subject: South Paw...
Organization: None, today. Thank you.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:13:44 GMT

 mdadams@surya.UWaterloo.CA (Mike Adams) admits left-handedly...

>>>Mike Adams (another south-paw)
>>		     ^^^^^^^^^
>>What's a south-paw?
>
>By the way, a "south-paw" is someone who is left-handed.
>I think the term originated from baseball, but I'm not absolutely
>sure about this.  If anyone out there knows the details of the origin
>of the term "south-paw" please enlighten us.  Thanks.

I thought that it came from boxing. But then, I'm usually wrong when
it comes to guessing how many marbles are in a jar, too.  :]

-- 
Puter	puter@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com	.sig by Generic Labels
(Put obnoxious title here)		(Put phone # here.)
(Put irritating quote here. Please make it as long as possible.)
Newsgroups: soc.penpals
From: braham@physics.ubc.ca (Stephen Braham)
Subject: Re: Trans. info from Gatwick needed
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:53:17 GMT

huangj@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Juliet Huang) writes:

>Hi, Is there someone in England who can help me?

>I'll be landing in Gatwick airport and was wondering what type
>of transportation is available to get to downtown London
>(the more economical the better!).
>Any suggestions/information would be appreciated.

>Thanks.

>Julie
>huangj@oasys.dt.navy.mil

I'm not IN England, but I'm an ex-Londoner :). There's a train
from Gatwich running into Victoria station. That'll get you
onto the tube (or you can take a taxi from there). You probably
don't want to lug much luggage around on the underground network,
but the Gatwick-Victoria express is a real, BR, train.


			Steve
--
| Name: Stephen P. Braham | Perversion: Quantum Cosmologist|
| Hangout: UBC physics    | Signature:  Euclidean          |
|          Vancouver, BC  |--------------------------------+
|          Canada         | E-mail: braham@physics.ubc.ca  |
Newsgroups: soc.penpals
From: Jeanette.Mckay@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Jeanette)
Subject: Canada. 
Originator: jmckay@kio.comp.vuw.ac.nz
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:30:23 GMT


Hi! I'm a third year Comp Sci student graduating this year (hopefully!)
from Victoria University in Wellington, NZ.
I've been accepted to go overseas to Canada on a SWAP (Student Work Abroad Scheme)
and so would be interested in talking to anyone who can supply me with an idea of
what attractions should definitely not be missed, who lives in Canada or has
visited recently.  I'm also planning to travel to Europe after Canada.

Jeanette.
From: Robyn_Clark@mindlink.bc.ca (Robyn Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.penpals
Subject: Re: Iguanas, and more...
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:57:11 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

There, I hit the "r" key... r u happy?

Newsgroups: soc.penpals
From: cc014@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Maria A. Russell)
Subject: Re: Young Ladies...Desired by Brazilian Male!!!!:)
Reply-To: cc014@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Maria A. Russell)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 02:04:37 GMT


In a previous article, dacosta@prl.philips.nl (Paulo da Costa) says:

>In article <1992Jul20.052635.6495@ultb.isc.rit.edu> waw0026@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Jul19.005313.12427@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, ca949@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gilbert N. Cavalcanti) writes:
>[junk deleted]
>>Gill, looks like you left your account open and walked away from the computer a
>>little to long.  This isn't real, is it? 
>
>I sent Mr Cavalcanti a short message to the same effect (in Portuguese)
>and he confirmed to me in a bad-mannered reply that it's real. The only
>fortunate thing (to me) is that he's not Brazilian, since the language
>of his reply was English.
>-- 
>-- Paulo da Costa           /\/\   Minha terra tem palmeiras   /\/\
>-- dacosta@prl.philips.nl   \/\/   Onde canta o sabia'...      \/\/
>

This is a reply to Paulo da Costa:

I am very fond of the "terra tem palmeiras - Onde canta o sabia..." I am
familiar with the beautiful poem and with the beautiful land to which it 
refers.  However, Sr. Costa, please "lighten up".  People in general,
I believe use this service to have fun. It was not the intent of 
Cavalcanti to come across as "politically correct". Please spare us all of
this 90's phenomena. Let's have fun.  That's what Cavalcanti was trying to
do.  Don't be so Americanized.  Remember "terra tem palmeiras?   Relax. 
Have cachaca with maracuja juice.

Maria
Newsgroups: soc.penpals
From: adam@wam.umd.edu (Adam L. Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Looking for people from Princeton, NJ
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:05:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.020147.27906@Princeton.EDU> sguha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Saumyen Guha) writes:
>In article <23JUL199201131103@kubvx1> tim@kubvx1 (Tim van der Avoird, Tilburg University) writes:
>>I am looking for people who live or study in Princeton, New Jersey.
>>

I'm sorry for taking up bandwidth, too, but I'm from South Brunswick, which
as Saumyen Guha probably knows, is only 9 miles north on Route 27 (Nassau
Street).  I also used to work at Woolworth's on Nassau Street for four years.
I miss Teresa's Pizza and the Grotto....and Abel Bagel.  Ah, memories of
High School...
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: Wedding Music
Summary: songs
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:28:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <l6ujb2INNcq6@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>, danoc@earlybird.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan O'Connell [CONTRACTOR]) writes:
> (Gina Pepitone) writes:
> 
> >Does anyone out there have any ideas for a wedding processional
> >(please don't say "Here comes the Bride")
> 
> 
> How about: "Another One Bites the Dust"?  ;-)
> 
> D.

I used "White Wedding" by Billy Idol.

     - Christine
From: esper@cs35b.cs.umn.edu (Dave Sherohman)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: waiting 'til marriage
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:09:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Jul23.120944.20286
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Jul22.050109.13003@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jlb6s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jennifer Leigh Bancroft) writes:
>I will be a third-year undergrad next year, and my boyfriend
>and I have been "dating exclusively" for 17 months now.  We
>haven't had sex yet, though intensely attracted to each other
>in every way, because we bot want to wait until we're married
Good for you!

>(to each other or someone else).  Instead, we've come up with
>numerous ways to satisfy our desire together..ahem. ;) Anyway,
This, however, sounds questionable at best.  (Strong suspicions of
rationalization...)

>I was just wondering if there are any other steady couples like
>us, or if we're the last to believe in waiting?
Well, after 8 months, my girlfriend and I haven't had sex, have no intentio
of having sex until marrying, and have no desire/need to resort to
"numerous other ways to satisfy our desire together."

>Also, tell me your views on waiting or not.
I think it's a good idea (why would I bother otherwise?) because nonmarital
sex can easily lead to a lot of (easily avoided by not having sex) problems.

BTW, to clarify off someone else's point, my definition of "sex" (as in,
"we haven't had sex") is significantly broader than simply penile-vaginal
intercourse.

esper@ima.umn.edu
From: bicker@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (The Resource, Poet-Magician of Quality)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: waiting 'til marriage
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:39:46 GMT
Reply-To: Brian.C.Kohn@att.com (The Resource, Poet-Magician of Quality)
Followup-To: soc.couples
Organization: The Internet

In article <1992Jul22.050109.13003@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jlb6s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jennifer Leigh Bancroft) writes:
>I will be a third-year undergrad next year, and my boyfriend
>and I have been "dating exclusively" for 17 months now.  We
>haven't had sex yet, though intensely attracted to each other
>in every way, because we bot want to wait until we're married

<no comment>

>(to each other or someone else).  Instead, we've come up with
>numerous ways to satisfy our desire together..ahem. ;) Anyway,

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-Kay.

>I was just wondering if there are any other steady couples like
>us, or if we're the last to believe in waiting?  I don't mean
>to insult anyone; it's just that all the other couples we know
>have already had sex.  

I don't believe I'd wait.  It's just not in my ethics-set, and if it is
in the ethics-set of my prospepctive RP, then we probably have
significantly different ethics-sets, and are thereby unsuited for each
other.

Mind you, I would wait, and *expect* to wait, at least a few dates, if
not a few weeks or more.  I went out with a woman once who asked me why
I hadn't asked her out yet.  (She knew I was interested.)  One thing
led to another and it ended up with her asking me to stay the night.  I
declined, and although we did end up having a relationship, and it was
an okay relationship, I probably would be turned off by that now.

It is NOT that I want a woman to play hard to get---quite the
opposite.  It's that I believe people should get to know each other a
little bit.  THEN, she can attack me.  <grin>

> By the way, is it worth the wait? 

I can't talk from a position of experience about your "is it worth the
wait?" question, however, from what I've seen the first sexual
experience with a particular person is very intense, so it is important
to always savor that moment.  If you feel you can't do that adequately
until you're married then that's what you should do, but by definition
no one can speak authoritatively about that since no one can be a
virgin twice and try it both ways.  

I have heard that a person's first sexual experiences are actually less
pleasurable than later ones, but that doesn't help you decide what to
do, really.  (It's like saying, "You'd have been better off having sex
with someone else before having sex with this guy."  You can't go back
in time and change things.)

>I hope I didn't offend anyone by posting this on this newsgroup;

Don't you worry...you did fine.  :-)

-- 
Brian Charles Kohn             E-MAIL: att!hoqax!bicker  (bicker@hoqax.ATT.COM)
Poet of "Quality"
    'Hope, not fear, is the most positive advocate of action.' - S.R. Lawhead
                   Stamp Out "SO": "RP" = "Romantic Partner"
Newsgroups: soc.couples
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: waiting 'til marriage
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:52:49 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

lm27+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lukas Manomaitis) writes:
>Something that I found out from experience is that the first couple
>of times you have sex with a virgin female it hurts incredibly bad.

Hurts whom?  I can certainly cite a number of counterexamples;  the only
real guideline to be derived is that Your Mileage May Vary.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu

  "Relaxed Agnostic Bisexual -- I don't know, I don't care, and maybe 
   I'll sleep with it."  --Kateri (moh2@midway.uchicago.edu)
From: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: More wedding etiquette
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:16:43 GMT
Reply-To: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD

In soc.couples, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>> goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg) writes:
>>The source I am down on is the so-called "Miss Manners" (Judith Martin).
>>I think her orientation is stodgy, arbitrary, and stiff.
>
>I think Miss Manners is funny, honest, and a great source.

It is interesting that she claims to be an authority on marriage while 
still being "Miss" and not "Mrs."

   /|/| /||)|/  /~ /\| |\|)[~|)/~   |   Everyone's entitled to MY opinion.
  / | |/ ||\|\  \_|\/|_|/|)[_|\\_|  |      goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil
========Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein=======
Newsgroups: soc.couples
From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re:  wedding etiquette
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:10:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.153347.12733@ads.com>, ellon@ADS.COM (Ellon St. Croix) writes:
  
 >   Oh, I agree Beth.  There is NEVER anything wrong with a hand-written
 >   invitation.  But, to write it on the reception invite is tacky.  It
 >   should have been separate. 

Thank you for your kind opinion.  These invitations were the folded kind
with the text on the outside, nothing on the inside.  I wrote the
invitations on the inside.  I suppose I made it sound like I just 
scribbled across the bottom, "Oh, by the way, why don't you come to
the ceremony too?" which would have been tacky, I imagine.  

None of my guests seemed to think it was tacky;  at least none of them
were rude enough to tell me so.

-- 
/\        Ilana Stern DoD#009 | Whoever first said, "Things are seldom as they 
  \_][    ilana@ncar.ucar.edu | seem," was wrong.  Things are usually as they
      \_______________________| seem.  Otherwise, they wouldn't seem that way.
From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:23:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Coping w/ Husbands!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.couples

Re: "Lazy man" sitting around

Consider the possibility of biological depression. It can be debilitating.

Ron
Newsgroups: soc.couples
From: ellon@ADS.COM (Ellon St. Croix)
Subject: Re:  wedding etiquette
Organization: Wild Bill & BabyCat's House of Many Pleasures
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:35:45 GMT


 carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll) writes:
 liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood) writes:
 vickiemc@isi.edu (Vickie McCorkendale) writes:
>> >This is the first modern rule of etiquette dealing with thank you notes:
>> >YOU CANNOT USE THE COMPUTER, DO NOT PRINT OUT AND MAIL YOUR THANK YOU NOTES.
>> >YOU MUST HANDWRITE AND ADDRESS EACH INDIVIDUAL NOTE.
>> [Liam disagrees]
>
>I have to go with Liam on this one. My wife and I did all of our thank
>you letters with a computer (LaTeX for the technophilic). Because of
>this, we were able to include much more than the normal amount of
>information in the letter, things such as our new apartment, plans for
>the future, etc. In addition, we put personal things in, so each
>letter constied of a blend of stock and specific text. We had a number
>of people get word back to use that they _really_ liked them, since
>they were far more informative yet still had a personal touch.


   I have to go with Vickie on this.  Being a recent bride myself, 
   I can guarentee that if I EVER received a computer generated thank 
   you note for a wedding/shower gift, that couple would NEVER receive
   another gift from me.  If I took the time to go out and buy
   something especially for them, or even if I just wrote them a
   check, them they DAMN WELL better sit down and hand write me a 
   personalized thank you note. 


   Ellon St. Croix


--
Nothin' feels as good, as good as us together.  Nothin' in the world,
no, there ain't nothin' better than this... NEW LOVE! Always feels 
like a new love. Every touch is feelin' so much like the very first
touch. It's like a new love, a new love........  WCS & ESS 4/18/92
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: wedding etiquette
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:31:59 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

Charleen:
>>You might say that your marital status is your own business and in
>>some sense that is correct, but if you're going to interact
>>socially at all with other people, it does come into play, and if you
>>retain your own surnames, there will be occasions when you're making
>>people guess.

Sometimes though, people are clueless on this one.  I wear a
traditional wedding ring type set (diamonds set in gold), and refer to
"my husband" just so people will realize that we're married, but some
people still don't pick up on it....



--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu