HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au
Newsgroups: news.groups,sci.econ
Subject: Re: Innovation inquiry
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:27:44 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups,sci.econ
Organization: Economics, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: eco.economics.adelaide.edu.au

In article <1992Sep15.150855.26754@NeoSoft.com>, claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
> In article <1992Sep14.165725.7579@ncsu.edu> samodena@csemail.cropsci.ncsu.edu (S. A. Modena) writes:
> 			.
> 			.
> 			.
>>>Related, but distinct, question:  do winners, or losers,
>>>adopt new technologies? 

from a military point of view usually the losers.  Frederick the Great was
unstoppable with his tactics then Napoleon revolutionised warfare with new
tactics and innovation.  Then look at WW1 and WW2 and the advent of blitzkrieg, 
and then it's modification by the allies (who it initially hammered) to make
overwhelming airpower devastating and so on.  Winners generally feel secure and
see no need to change.  Every military system i hstory has benn overcome by new
tactics, generally thought out by the loser to counteract the advantage the
previous winner used to obtain his victory.

The Roman corvus came about to defeat Cartaginian naval superiority by turning
sea warfare into modified land warfare where Romw was strong,  after Crecy the
French nobility regarded it as an honour to be an archer, and so on.  Generally 
winners do not "hurt" as badly as the losers and thus have no need for close
examinaton of the results.  Take Desert Storm.  We all congratulated ourselves
on a job well done and now see it wasn't so complete.  We were  complacent and
thought near enough was good enough.  History should have taught us to get
Saddam out of Baghdad yet we didn't due to media and liberal pressure groups. 
We could not go for total victory because that would not have been "politically
correct">  Remember the Vietnam war that we lost?  What is the burnin image of
that war in your mind?  Most people say the mother and child running down the
street after being hit by napalm.  This gruesome image started a whole backlash
going among people who would not normally have bothered, and this weakened our
will to the point that we could not win.  We learned from this - look at how
the media was handled in the Falklands conflict and Desert Storm.

regs

Rob
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 09:36:10 MDT
From: gritton@alaska.et.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.religion.friends
Reply-To: gritton@byu.edu
	<BuDLKM.48E@unix.amherst.edu>

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>>Maybe soc.religion.quakers would be better.
> I thought the same thing, at first, but it occurred to me that since
> I'm not a Quaker, I have very little perspective on the naming
> question here.  Perhaps it is more common among Quakers to refer to
> themselves as in the Society of Friends.  In that case,
> "soc.religion.quakers" would be less appropriate, and
> "soc.religion.friends" would be instantly recognizable to anyone In
> The Know.

But would the group be there for those "in the know?" The newsgroups
are presented to the general public, and the general public should be
able to have an idea what they're about, even if only to know what not
to read.
--
James Gritton - gritton@byu.edu - I disclaim
From: pd2n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Peter W. De Bonte)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: Removal of Unused Newsgroups
Date: 9 Sep 92 04:31:01 GMT
	<1992Sep8.144128.28889@bcrka451.bnr.ca>
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

How about starting by removing redundant groups.  Then you don't have to
decide how many users is enough.

Pete W. De Bonte (x4173)                    pwd+@cmu.edu 
"Knolege is powef, Speling is unimportnt"   (but pd2n is unaceptable)
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.scouting.activities, rec.scouting.policy
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:19:59 GMT

anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo) writes:

>I don't like the idea of the split.  and if it comes to a vote I will 
>still vote no unless someone really gives a good reason for it.  So Far 
>I haven't seen any reason other than some peoplenot liking the discussion
>going on in the group.
[...]

As long as the split is on the basis topic and not viewpoint, I see
nothing wrong with splitting it for this reason.

- Carl
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.autos.antique
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:01:25 GMT

In article <Bu7tHM.9AF@uunet.uu.net> lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes:
>Some months ago, I created alt.autos.antique.  There seems to have been
>
>    Proposed Charter for rec.autos.antique
>
>Definition:  Antique auto - Although the definition of an antique auto
>			    may differ in various circles, for the
>			    purpose of this newsgroup, an antique auto
>			    shall be any automobile, foreign or domestic
>			    manufactured more than twenty-five years
>			    ago.
>
A good, generally accepted definition. However, as is currently the case in
a.a.a, let's not flame the person who is doing a correct frame-off restoration
of a 23 or 24 year old car.

>Rec.autos.antique shall be a haven for discussion of all aspects of
>antique autos.  Suggested topics may include:
>
>    *  Discussion concerning location of parts for an antique auto.
And location of services unique to antique autos.
>    *  Antique autos for sale or wanted.
And parts for sale/wanted.
>    *  Upcoming car shows featuring antiques autos, etc.
>    *  Questions and comment regarding antique car restoration.
Including materials, products, techniques, etc. Also, proper care and
maintenance of features unique to antique autos.
>    *  History of various marques.
>    *  Nostalgia - Reminiscing about cars (now antique) you or someone
>       else used to own.
>
>Rec.autos.antique shall NOT be for the discussion for the non-stock

Also, this should not be for the discussion of "Brand X is a better car than
Brand Y".

I also liked the part in the a.a.a charter that stated the car should be one
you consider your friend instead of just transportation. I don't want to read
the incessant postings in r.a.tech about "I ran my Pinto 500 miles without any
oil or water - do you think I hurt the engine?" from people looking for free
advice, and obviously could care less about cars. New/inexperienced enthusiasts
welcome - nonenthusiasts not. The a.a.a group has an excellent signal-to-noise
ratio, and very few flame wars - I'd like to see it stay that way.
 
Ted Brooks
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From: plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.makers.* groups
Keywords: music
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:04:30 GMT
Organization: Dicomed, Inc.

In article <1992Sep5.040829.24193@bradley.bradley.edu> dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep1.221432.11665@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> wes@ice.stx.com writes:
>>>  As for .keyboards vs. .synth, these should be established as separate 
>>>groups. One for keyboard techniques and the other for all types of 
>>>synthesizers.
>>
>>	Is there a sizable group of people who discuss keyboard techniques
>>on the Net?  If so, where are they discussing it now?  I don't see it in
>>r.m.synth at all.  If not, then I'd say "don't bother."
>
>If they're not discussing it in r.m.synth then they discuss it in
>r.m.makers at the moment.  On the other hand, I don't see many keyboardists
>discussing technique like guitarists or bassists or drummers do, so even if
>one group isn't enough, I don't think a keyboard technique group would have
>any traffic anyway.
>--------------------------{dave@bradley.bradley.edu}---------------------------

I don't see a need for a keyboard group either.  I also like the name synth
rather than "electronic" because I'd hate to see a lot of soundblaster type
postings start to take over (maybe I'm paranoid).

Regards,
Doug Plate
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.autos.antique
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:44:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.173254.20264@mlb.semi.harris.com> jws@billy.mlb.semi.harris.com (James W. Swonger) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.230203.20814@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>>
>>Combining these two groups of discussions (people discussing ordinary,
>>stock factory 30's to late 60's cars and people discussing doing freaky
>>things to them) are as different as *.msdos and *.unix, and belong
>>in different groups.
>>
>>I don't want to sift through how to chop your 40's coupe, and put radial
>>tires on it, and a blower.  If you're so interested in it, and there's
>>enough of you out there, at least create alt.rape.your.car        
>>(or alt.autos.hot-rodding).  God, isin't there enough commercial
>>publications/magazines that cover that kind of thing?
>>
> Magazines are one-way. Why don't all a.a.a. readers simply leave and read
>restoration mags? Because the interaction is where the value is. However
>prized your religious convictions may be to you, it's a pity that tolerance
>is not among them. With a.a.a. running about 5-10 messages a day, I think
>there's room for more subject areas without unduly taxing your 'n' key.
>Maybe the dude who chopped the '40s coupe has a clean windshield laying
>around which you'll never get to pick up cheap for -yours-. Maybe said
>dude has expertise in other related areas to share but, by virtue of being
>judged Impure, will be hounded out of the group instead. How exactly does
>this help us? By having to hit 'n' one less time? 
>
> There is ongoing discussion elsewhere about forming a hotrod group to
>parallel the mailing list. This is fine. But even  if you consider antiques
>and hotrods to be orthogonal dimensions there is still the place where
>the two intersect, and that happens to be home for a lot of us. The blown
>'40s coupe owner may ask about the engine there and panel beating here.
>However I for one will not have a crisis of faith if the wrong word is
>mentioned in the wrong group. I read them both anyhow. 
 
 Bravo - my brother-in-law recently bought a 40 ford coupe that came with
 3 extra hoods, etc - this would have been a very good way to let
 people know that he had not only these but a spare door, side window
 and a few other things
 
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  \___________________      __________________/  deserve neither liberty 
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: RESULT: sci.fractals passes 295:20
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:13:58 GMT

In article <twegner.716217077@mwunix> twegner@mwunix.mitre.org (Timothy Wegner) writes:

>I think the sci.fractals proposal sounds great *except* for eliminating
>alt.fractals. This will cut off a lot of people who can't receive the sci
>newsgroups.

The propagation of alt.* is HIGHER than that of sci.*??  This I find
difficult to believe.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.aviation,sci.aeronautics,sci.military,rec.travel.air,rec.models.rc
From: john@iastate.edu (John Hascall)
Subject: Re: RFD: Removal of Unused Newsgroups
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:29:56 GMT

sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman) writes:
}john@iastate.edu (John Hascall) writes on news.groups:

})The trn newsreader updates the .newsrc lines for all groups listed in
})the Newsgroups: header line (including ones you are not subscribed to).
})This tends to produce very big .newsrc file (and we have ~5000 netnews
})readers!).  I hacked together a program (below) which mungs lines of the 
})form:
})	foo.bar.baz! 36-38,87,90,99,101,103,104-107,109
})to:
})	foo.bar.baz! 36-109

}Why would you want to keep foo.bar.baz in your .newsrc at all? Won't a
}vi-style ":g/!/d" do a better job? 

Because then the newsreader I use will ask me if I'd like to subscribe to all
those groups everytime a new group is added here (at least every other day).

FYI, I managed to post a version of the "rcmung.c" file with a typo (if anyone
gives a hoot) the line `` curr += (*q++ - '\0'); ''
should, of course, be  `` curr += (*q++ - '0'); ''              [silly me]

John
-- 
John Hascall                                       ``Live with it pink-boy!''
Project Vincent                                                              
Iowa State University Computation Center                     john@iastate.edu
Ames, IA  50011                                      515/294-9551 [fax -1717]
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: alt.politics.democrats.* hierarchy
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:39:52 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: na
Organization: Amos Tuck School

In <1992Sep4.152535.12292@ultb.isc.rit.edu> pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Pete - Toonatic - Boulay) writes:

>Was there ever a CFV or RFD for the splitting or creation of these groups???

>I don't remember seeing it and yet it came up as a newgroup on my server.

alt.* groups don't require a formal RFD/CFV process, only a brief
discussion.

-Geoff
--
geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU - Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business
 "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech,
  or of the press..."
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From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.scouting.activities, rec.scouting.policy
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:19:38 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep15.173921.28359@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>macman@bernina.ethz.ch (Danny Schwendener) writes:
>
>>This is the first official call for discussion on the reorganization of 
>>rec.scouting into rec.scouting.activities and rec.scouting.policy. 
>[...]
>
>Sounds good to me. I think "activities" is a good name

iI don't like the idea of the split.  and if it comes to a vote I will 
still vote no unless someone really gives a good reason for it.  So Far 
I haven't seen any reason other than some peoplenot liking the discussion
going on in the group.  I don't think it should be split, there really isn't 
enough traffic to warrent one at this point in time.  
But, if a split does occur, then I like these names better than any of the 
others I've seen.  

Dominick V. Zurlo
anthropo@carina.unm.edu
.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.scouting.activities, rec.scouting.policy
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:39:21 GMT

macman@bernina.ethz.ch (Danny Schwendener) writes:

>This is the first official call for discussion on the reorganization of 
>rec.scouting into rec.scouting.activities and rec.scouting.policy. 
[...]

Sounds good to me. I think "activities" is a good name.

- Carl
--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: metcalf@CATFISH.LCS.MIT.EDU (Chris Metcalf)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: SUMMARY: active file purge time: are any of these groups still valid?
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:20:07 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

Thanks for the response to my question about bogus groups, in particular
klassen@sol.UVic.CA, generic!taob@zoo.toronto.edu, dseal@armltd.co.uk, 
and mathew@mantis.co.uk.  The most comprehensive answer was from
Ellen Seebacher <elle@midway.uchicago.edu>, who said in part:

    >	rec.arts.tv.tiny-toon
    >	soc.culture.cis
    
    Completely bogus.
    
    >	comp.dcom.lans
    >	rec.games.frp
    >	rec.sport.football
    
    Reorganized.  Remove.
    
    >	comp.org.uniforum
    >	comp.org.usrgroup
    
    Removed netwide a year or two ago.
    
    >	comp.sys.apple
    >	comp.sys.ibm.ps2
    
    Mistakes.  Should be:
    
      comp.sys.apple2         Discussion about Apple II micros.
      comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware      Microchannel hardware, any vendor.
    
    >rec.games.frp and rec.sport.football seem to have become hierarchies,
    >but there is still a fair amount of traffic in the root newsgroups; have
    >they indeed been officially deleted?
    
    Yes.  
    
Our active file now matches the checkgroups message; I added an 
alias for comp.sys.apple to comp.sys.apple2.

Thanks!
-- 
			Chris Metcalf, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
			metcalf@lcs.mit.edu   //   +1 (617) 253-7766
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: smiles@NMC.ED.RAY.COM (Kevin Ruddy)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.sys.sun.sunnet.manager
X-Disclaimer: As if anyone even listened to my opinions ...
Organization: Equipment Division, Raytheon Company
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 11:57:18 GMT

In article <BuL6nL.Ip3@uunet.uu.net> rlg@desktalk.com (Richard L. Gralnik) writes:
>Proposed Newsgroup:  comp.sys.sun.sunnet.manager (open to discussion of course)

Isn't this name verbose?  I'd simply suggest comp.sys.sun.snm, or if it's
deemed necessary to expand it, comp.sys.sun.sunnet-manager.  Dots are
(supposed to be) for separating the hierarchy, not as a word delimiter.

Kevin.Ruddy@NMC.ED.RAY.COM
-- 
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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.arts.babylon5
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:26:37 GMT
Organization: Xanth Watch

hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:

>yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German) writes:

>>	How about adding a newsgroup to the Star Trek Hiearchie.. with
>>Babylon5. Where if you want you would junk the rest and just read this. 

>    So your proposing rec.arts.startrek.babylon5? Yeah, right. You would
>have better luck getting comp.sys.babylon5 passed.

Yes, it's very impressive how little net.knowledge the proponents of this
group has shown. The proposal ranks among the 5 worst new newsgroups ideas
that I have seen.
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen        |  I survived the rec.arts.sf-lovers split
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk   |
From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.poems.urdu
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:34:12 GMT


>CREATION of "rec.arts.poems.urdu"
>
>Charter:
>This group will serve the needs of all people within the Indian sub continent
>that have a interest in the Urdu Language and its rich poetry collections.

NOoooooooooooo! 

It is *NOT* required as soc.culture.pakistan is already there. The cultural
news groups are proper place to discuss literature. Moreover, Urdu hardly
has any literature worth separte discussion. To be more objective,
it does not have even 0.0000000000001 percent of literature compared to 
English, French and Russian to warrant a news group.

What "rich" poetry collection?. Other than mostly third rate shers  all of
those *obessively* talking about women and wine again and again and again...
till they make its reader sick. I would call its so called poetry of mentally 
retarded neurotic sexophiles who could not see any thing beyond wine and 
woman. What is there to discuss about such rubbish in a separate news group?

Poetry has much wider scope. It must have its style. Other than a single
"Gazal" style borrowed from Persian what is there in Urdus so called 
Poetry? Other than talking about *women and women and women* what does it 
talk about? It awefully lacks substance and style (just think of literature 
in Bangla to compare with, and you would know why Bangladeshi rightfully
insisted on Bangla being the national language of Pakistan).

>Will be a forum of discussion for Urdu ghazals and interpretations.
>
>Will be a forum to discuss the Urdu Language and its impact on arts within
>the subcontinent

Urdu has no impact on any langauge. It has borrowed its grammer and upto 75
percent vocabulary from Hindi and rest 25 percent from Arabic/Persian and 
Turkish. Its literture is miniscule and most is third rate cheap expressions 
of wanting to see a woman whom mostly muslim poets couldn't see because of 
traditional Islamic restrictions of keeping women behind doors in full
body covering clothes or Purdah. 

Forget it. If you need to discuss the poetry. You can discuss on SCP or SCI.

B. Kumar
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: talk.politics.medicine
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:07:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


I think the idea of the proposed group, with the specified charter an
excellent one. There are many important open issues and policy decisions
that could be aided by such a group.

Given some of the self-indulgent and intemperate behavior I've seen
here, though, I suggest that to be really useful, such a group be
moderated, not for political views but for sticking to the charter and
also for preserving the ordinary usages of civilized discourse.
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: [G.O.D.S.B.R.A.I.N.] RFD: comp.song
From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:39:11 GMT
Keywords: Computer Singing Song

In <=ytn6b-.alvin@netcom.com> alvin@netcom.com (Alvin H. White) writes:


>rfd comp.song

...

Does this make sense to anyone else on the net?

--
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Subject: Re: [G.O.D.S.B.R.A.I.N.] RFD comp.translation
From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:38:32 GMT
Keywords: computer translation machine

In <0xtn9p+.alvin@netcom.com> alvin@netcom.com (Alvin H. White) writes:


>rfd comp.translation

...

Does this make any sense to anyone else?

--
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My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.
My interaction with our news system is unstable; please mail anything important.
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From: davidc@brahms.udel.edu (David Casper)
Subject: CFV rules?
Followup-To: davidc@brhams.udel.edu
Keywords: CFV,rules
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 04:27:05 GMT

Could someone please direct me to the "rules" for holding a CFV?
I have two accounts, would it be legitimate for me to have
all YES votes go to one, and all NO votes to the other?  If so,
how are vote tallies validated?

The reason I ask is that I have proposed "rec.music.classical.guitar"
which begins its CFV on Sept 19...
Is there anyone out there who could receive the votes???  I don't
mind doing so, but there may be someone out there better suited
to handle the procedure...

Please email ASAP.
Thanks,
David

-- 
David W. Casper
davidc@brahms.udel.edu