From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:16:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.000130.1894@anasazi.com> best@anasazi.com (Mike Best) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.162454.17273@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
>>In article <Oct05.203207.51974@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> sa114984@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Steven Arnold) writes:
>>> [responsibilities analogies deleted]
>>
>>What "parental responsibilities" does a pregnant woman have?  Why?  And,
>>tell me why any woman who's just given birth can abdicate any and all
>>possible "parental responsibilities" but a woman who hasn't yet given birtn
>>can't?  Why is that?  It would seem to me that some people believe that
>>just because a woman is pregnant, she "has" to "fulfill" something, and
>>the not-any-more-pregnant woman has absolutely nothing to "fulfill".
>>
>>Requiring a woman to continue a pregnancy just because YOU SAY SO is STUPID.
>>You aren't the pregnant woman. YOU HAVE NO SAY.
>
>We all have a say in how our society is to function, those are the rules.

You may have a say in how society functions, but no say in what I do
when faced with an unexpected and/or unwanted pregnancy.


>I do not think that you are an anarchist.  I understand your feelings about
>the right to your own body as well as the parasite (someone else's descr.)
>but you do not also feel that Pee Wee Herman has the right to do with his
>body as he sees fit do you?  

If Pee Wee Herman gets pregnant and he doesn't want to be, he can get an
abortion if he wants.


>
>Most of your post is pretty cold stuff.  I've been following the anti-arguments
>and it seems to me that the question you all are dodging is that of taking
>responsibility for your actions.  This is actually extrapolatable to many

No, I don't believe that an abortion is an irresponsible action, per se.
I think that abortion can be a perfectly reasonable action, and very 
responsible.  


>liberal positions - it's not my fault that I {got AIDS, got pregnant, haven't
>got a job, etc.}  Pragmatically I think that abortion is acceptable within

I don't place blame at all.  I don't CARE who's fault it is, or even if
the couple used birth control.  If the woman doesn't want to be pregnant,
she can get an abortion if she wants.  It's that simple.


>certain limits by most of America.  I do not think that I have the obligation

Who sets these limits?  How are they enforced?  Remember that a law that
is selectively enforced, or unenforcable is unconstitutional.


>to pay for it though, people should have the responsibility for their actions.

To use Ardienne's answer....
  Don't worry, YOUR tax dollars are going to pay for prenatal care and
  childbirth expenses.  MY tax dollars are going to pay for abortions that
  poor people want and can't afford.

And, as I have previously stated...
  I don't believe that abortion is an irresponsble action.

>I wonder if unnatural selection is at work here.  I mean, if liberals freely
>excersize the right to abortion then maybe there are fewer being born :)

If you truly believe that then you must think that there is a gene on which
political thought exists.  I don't think that is the case.

>Oh yeah, I forgot that the children of conservatives have no choice but to
>go to public indoctrination, er..., schools where a certain amount of 
>contamination occurs and some liberals are created :::)

I went to public schools...in the south, more specifically, in LOUISIANA.
Tell me, what LIBERAL indoctrination could possibly be taught in public
schools in Louisiana??????

BTW, thanks for implying that I'm a liberal.  I'm working on it!

>What this country needs is a good 5 cent abortion pill,

I'd agree with that in part.

>Mike Best
>

Jennifer
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