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From: lteo_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Leslie Teo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Singapore?
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:14:18 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <DBH.93Jan12171312@wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk> dbh@doc.ic.ac.uk (Denis Howe) writes:
>So, I'll ask you, what's wrong with Singapore?

[Take my comments with a grain of salt]

What's wrong with S'pore? I think the answer depends on who you speak
to: There are those  who would  constructively point out  what's wrong
with S'pore [like the government] and those who just "hate" S'pore. 

Personally, I think  the 3 things that   I don't like the most about
S'pore (and there  are lots I like about) are: (1) the inferiority
complex that the nation has [yes, my comments are vast and crude
generalizations] as evident by the incessent need to compare oneself
with other nations to points of absurdity. Eg., S'pore has the highest
per capita number of  pay phones. Apart from the mindless use of this
fact, I  still don't know  what this has to do with the more important
things in life. Of course, one could also question the relevance of such
statistic given that S'pore is small, etc. (2) the immaturity that is
evident when S'poreans  "compete" or  compare themselves to others. This
, I'm sure is related to (1). And (3) the narrow-mindedness of the
society as a whole. Of course, there are historical  circumstances which
explain (3) and a lot of the reason why S'pore is so efficient and works
so well is because of the country's single-mindedness. Still, as a
personal creed, I don't believe that society is a machine to be fine
tuned until it is most efficient [narrowly defined]. 

Any comments?
From: fellow@cs.utexas.edu (Heng Wei Osbert Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: Soul of a city
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:05:12 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: yoakum.cs.utexas.edu

In article <C0rAF9.LE3@newsserver.technet.sg>, ipacs@solomon.technet.sg (IPACS PTE LTD) writes:
> 
> Sorry dear Osbert but I must say that I just don't understand what u mean. 

Okay, my turn now. If you didn't understand what I meant, surely you can't
say the following ...

> Not that Singapore has no soul, but whether you've found a soul anywhere
> else...

Like I said before, I am not able to concretely describe th feelings, but 
I'll try. At the very least, I'll use US as an example.

US is a strange place, you have the worst of the worst, and the best of the
best. Most importantly you have believers. Not religion mind you, but 
individual who believes in ideas, different ideas. Be it saving the world,
rights of an individual, right to bear arm, environmental protection issues,
death penalty, no death penalty, ... People actually believing in one thing
or two, and they make effort to find out about what they believe in. This
is what constitute spirit, spirit of a nation, soul. 

Can we say the same thing about Singapore, or more appropriately Singaporean ?
Can we say that majority of the Singaporean concern himeself/herself of some
issues (beside earning a living, buying a nice house, and may be buying a car
that is) ? What idealogy do we subscribe to ? What besides the government had
told us through campaigns that we actually believe in ? 

Yea, a city without soul I submit.

-Osbert




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: akoh@convex.com (Allan Koh)
Subject: Where is the best - Singapore Food
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:40:35 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

  I will be visiting Singapore this week for vacation.   Having been away for 
more than 5 years,  I am not current on where to go for the best local food.
So netters, especially fellow Singaporeans currently living in Singapore,   
please fill me in.   Where would you go for the following:

1. Seafood

2. Nasi Padang

3. Satay

4. Char Kuay Teow

5. Hokkien Noodles(sotong mee)
 
6. Rojak keling  (Indian rojak)


   Does anyone know where I can watch the Super Bowl (Jan 31st) telecast in 
Singapore?  


    GO ...  Cowboys!   

	Stop eating Rice-A-Roni!
-- 
Allan Koh              | Convex Computer Corporation | Mission: (impossible?)
Phone: 214-497-4705    | 3000 Waterview Parkway      | Know 10 Americans who   
Fax:   214-497-4500    | Richardson, Texas 75083     | love to eat Durians.
email: akoh@convex.com | U.S.A.                      | Current Count = 1
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: knguyen@emr.ca (Kim Nguyen)
Subject: Hourah  ! Democracy
Followup-To: soc.culture.singapore
Organization: emr
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:47:37 GMT

Long live to Singapore. I congratulate Singaporeans for a successful and
democratic election. I adore you, folks !

Kim Nguyen
internet : knguyen@emr.ca
cc:mail: knguyen@cc2smtp.emr.ca
bitnet : knguyen@EMRCAN.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: chrislim@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Christopher Lim)
Subject: Re: Laws
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:17:32 GMT

In article <C0roIH.JGu@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mrynders@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Maurice Rynders) writes:
>In article <1iutkuINNlcm@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> hougen@focus.csl.uiuc.edu (Darrell Roy Hougen) writes:
>>
>>Also, possession of a moderate to large amount of any of several
>>illegal drugs can get you the death penalty.  The amount depends upon
>>the drug.
>
>Wadda ya mean? The amount of death-ness? If you're gonna get the death
>penalty, you'd better hope you'll be seriously dead, and not just a
>little bit.  Who knows, 'cause that might hurt. :-)
>
>(Maybe this is the first flame on scs.)         
>
>Greetings to all you Singaporians and congrats with your new news group.

I think that you got the spelling of Singaporian wrong. It should be spelt
SINGAPOREAN and not the other way.

	Just thought I'll bring it up to the attention of the ignorant readers
of scs.
>
>MCR 1/12/93
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana 47405  
>(812)855-9709 (office)  (812)857-6799 (home)  (812)855-6616 (fax)  
>		e-mail: mrynders@gold.ucs.indiana.edu
>		         "20/20, 4U2!"   
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From: dbh@doc.ic.ac.uk (Denis Howe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: What's wrong with Singapore?
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:13:12
Organization: Computing Department, Imperial College, London, UK
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk

My wife and I went to Singapore for a holiday recently and liked it
enough to consider going to live and work there for a while.  I asked
several natives what the disadvantages of living in Singapore were but
the worst anyone could come up with was not being allowed to chew gum
in the street!

So, I'll ask you, what's wrong with Singapore?
--
Denis Howe <dbh@doc.ic.ac.uk>
Who is the potter and who the pot?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Negative Income Tax (Was: Social programs)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:50:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.004424.27812@athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>alright, Gerald. you can have the last word.
>as i said; i don't have any interest in continuing a conversation like
>this with a person such as you. you warp and twist everything and have
>no interest in learning anything about that which you obviously don't know.
>you remind me of religious fundamentalists who spout dogma, discard
>arguments they don't like, and call everyone *else* fundamentalists.
>so spread all the lies and propaganda you like, live on in your
>inconsistent dream world, and have a nice life.
>

I have not anthropomorphized the debate...I have not called any   
particular person a fundamentalist...I have only called Objectivism
a fundamentalist ideology.  Objectivism adheres to a rigid set of
axioms, where the terminology is often redefined from commonly
understood denotations to restrict and contort words and ideas to 
into an inflexible rulebook structure.  If it waddles like a duck,
and quacks like a duck...

How can you accuse me of espousing dogma...apart from asserting a
single principle, that of popular sovereignty, I haven't been advocating
any ideology...and the advocation of popular sovereignty is basically
asserting the position that everyone is entitled to their personal
beliefs and a right to voice them politically through 
their right to vote...which is a method more than an ideology.

Gerald
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Taxation as Theft
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:07:35 GMT

In article <wVd=WR@engin.umich.edu> marky@engin.umich.edu (Mark Anthony Young) writes:
>Mark Anthony Young wrote:
>>Here is my point.  You said earlier that taxation for the purpose of 
>>paying welfare was immoral -- you did not think it was necessary, and
>>so forcing you to pay was a violation of your property rights and
>>thus equivalent to theft.  You had no such qualms about taxation to
>>support the justice system.
>
>Charles M Kozierok writes:
>>correct. because i feel that maintenance of a justice system is an
>>appropriate function for a government. and i feel that maintaining 
>>a welfare system is not. one is necessary for maintaining individual
>>rights to life and freedom. the other is not.
>
>They both seem necessary to protect life and freedom to me.  The
>poor must get food somewhere, to maintain their life.  Relying on
>charity is opening the door to abuse of freedom by charitable
>groups ("Good Christians may find shelter here").

as i have said, there is a distinction. you know what it is, because
you refer to it below. whether it is arbitrary or not is another
quesion. but there is a distinction.

>I guess I have one other point.  I think your distinction is totally
>arbitrary.

well, it isn't. it is based on a particular set of premises. you
obviously just disagree with those premises. 

>I think Gerald's "method" for democracy is arbitrary as
>well, but at least I agree with the consequences.

i have no further comment on *that* subject.

>>if you believe that all taxation is theft, then you believe that the
>>appropriate role of government is none at all. that is not my
>>position. in fact, that would make you an anarchist, would it not?
>>are you one?
>
>No, I am not an anarchist.  I was just playing one on the net.

kinda figured that out, later in your post.

>Here is my catechism, for those who are interested.
>
>There are people and there are societies.
>People have morals.
>Societies have rules.

the rest of your post deals with pragmatism. that is fine.
i have no problems with pragmatism. i just don't think it
is relevant to a philosophical discussion of rights.
and if you recall, i already said i supported a pragmatic position,
but that that was not relevant to the points at hand.

--
charles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: howard@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Howard Lem)
Subject: Re: Inexp lodging in Toronto
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:15:32 GMT

In article <1iop78INNae1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
>
>
>I am planning to spend about six months in the Toronto
>area doing an independent study project and would like
>to be within commuting distance of the U of Toronto.
>Besides the Globe and Mail newspaper are there any
>other newspapers or listings of small rooms, studios,
>or shared, for rent.
>If there are such sources, addresses of other newspapers,
>etc would be appreciated so that I may send for copies.
>Email to above address is fine.  

You're probably better off looking in the classified sections of the
other 2 dailies, The Toronto Star and Toronto Sun.

There are also other weekly publcations that are geared towards apt/house
rentals.

Toronto Star's Address is 1 Yonge St. Toronto, Ont.

Toronto Sun's Address is 333 King St. East Toronto, Ont.

Howard Lem 
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	Univ. of Toronto Computing & Communications
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	4 Bancroft Ave., Room 103, Toronto, Ont., Canada,  M5S 1C1
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Taxation as Theft (was Re: Negative Income Tax)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:53:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.084108.25858@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>>>
>>>even given this, there are some cases where individual opting out
>>>would be impossible because doing so would threaten the rights of
>>>others. the military is one case; how can the army defend my house
>>>but not yours, which is next door to it? same with the fire department.
>>
>>You are deadset opposed to giving a meal to a starving person so that
>>they have are able to think clearly enough to exercise their vote
>>properly...yet you seem perfectly willing to steal from individuals
>>to have a publically-funded fire department...what a misplaced set
>>of priorities!
>
>... or tax breaks for home mortgages a la the American IRS ...

cheap, irrelevant shot, Gary, but not unexpected coming from a world-class yutz
such as yourself.

--
charles
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:9845 can.politics:11295
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:14:15 EST
From: John G. Spragge <SPRAGGEJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Rights
 <1993Jan8.003543.29505@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
 <93008.021603SPRAGGEJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <1993Jan8.114258.13118@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>

In article <1993Jan8.114258.13118@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>,
golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) says:

>This is true, but I don't want to overemphasize property in relation
>to the other rights which form the basis of liberty, which is what
>is the true "ideal".  The notion of rights is sort of just a
>decomposition of the "ideal" of liberty into a set of basis functions
>or rights.  Liberty is the forest...the particular rights, the trees.

This raises an interesting question. What do we mean by rights, on what
basis do we articulate them, and how do we defend them?

My definition of rights bases them on the nature of the human condition;
hence the term "God-given rights". Our right to life, to free speech,
etc. stem from our nature as living, sentient individuals. And since we
need to interact with the physical world to live, some form of rights
over the world we live in would seem necessary.

If I read you right, you define rights as the rules or limitations
required to maintain a zone of freedom around an individual. I consider
that also a good definition.

But I think you err when you call objectivism "extremist". Extremism
has no meaning; just because people differ strongly from you on the
political spectrum does not make them wrong. A better objection to
objectivism rests not on any alleged extremism, but on the circular
argument at its core.

Objectivism contends that we have only passive rights, not obligations.
It claims the doctrine of "individualism" as authority for this
statement. But what lies at the core of individualism? This notion of
human rights. I boils down to the statement that we have the rights we
have because we have the rights we have. And around we go.

In fact, I think we both agree out individuality makes our rights
important; social insects such as termites need no rights. But I would
argue that the idea that we have responsibilities to one another also
stems from our individuality. Our individuality makes us valuable.
And that, I think, represents the best argument for social
responsibility; I ought to be willing to surrender part of my property
to bolster the lives of others, because I can replace my property; I
can never replace another person.

Your culture will adapt to service ours - Columbus to Natives, 1492
Your culture will adapt to service ours - Borg to Captain Picard, 24th C.

standard disclaimers apply ----------------------- John G. Spragge
From: rkerr@sirius.UVic.CA (Ron  Kerr)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Ookpik Day
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:35:52 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada

In article <C0IrJo.122@u36.kwnet.on.ca>, sp@u36.kwnet.on.ca writes:
|> What this country needs is a mid winter holiday.
|> 
Winterlude -Ottawa  Feb 5-14
Carnaval de Quebec - Quebec City  Feb 4-14
Valentine's Day   Feb 14
Okay so you don't get time off of work, but you can still celebrate.

|> I therefore propose the third Saturday of February
|> be proclaimed Ookpik Day.

Count me in. Anything for Ookpiks and something to celebrate.
  My stuffed toy Ookpik decided to take its freedom during my childhood-
it was very traumatic (of course I was four years old and it took its
freedom by me losing it at a post office-but it was still traumatic)

Does anybody know where I can get another one? (I have a nephew 
and of course if I'm going to build a `lifelike effigy' I need a model)

|> 
|> On this day, children, adults in their care and
|> folks given to whimsey shall built upon their
|> property, the property of others including municipal,
|> provincial and federal land, a lifelike effigy of
|> the mythical Ookpik.

Well I'll just keep to my own backyard.
I am pleased that someone knows about Ookpiks I was beginning to think
I was the only one.

Ron Kerr
rkerr@sirius.UVic.CA
Victoria, B.C.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:9963 can.politics:11428
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Ookpik Day
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Distribution: can
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 03:41:05 GMT

In article <C0IrJo.122@u36.kwnet.on.ca> sp@u36.kwnet.on.ca writes:
>Hi All,
>
>
>What this country needs is a mid winter holiday.

Not to worry - just as soon as I'm confirmed as Monarch of Canada,
February 20th will be declared Rhealist Day and become a national
holiday.  Rheally!

     Rhealist I - nadeau@bnr.ca - Monarchs don't need disclaimers
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 13:11:33 EST
From: <PXH@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: address for consulate in ny

This may not be the "proper" newsgroup for this question.....  I need the
address for the Canadian Consulate in NY.  Would anyone having any
information please mail it to me?
Thanks

Deepti
Deepti Pradhan  PXH@PSUVM.PSU.EDU         (814)863-1767 (Work)
Dept. of Molecular and Cell Biology       (814)231-0503 (Home)
Penn State University
University Park, PA-16802
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Taxation as Theft (was Re: Negative Income Tax)
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: na 
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:54:41 GMT

In <1993Jan6.005540.28068@athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:

>In article <charles.726261980@menaik> charles@cs.UAlberta.CA (Charles Jobagy) writes:
>>cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>>
>>>cheap, irrelevant shot, Gary, but not unexpected coming from a world-class yutz
>>>such as yourself.
>>
>>>--
>>>charles
>>
>>	Is this how you would converse with Gary in person and in public? 

>ah, a not unanticipated objection to my somewhat insulting ad hominum.
>well, sorry if i offended you, Charles, but Gary deserves far worse for
>the intentional intellectual dishonesty he has consistently displayed in his
>discussions with me. there are more ways to insult someone than to be direct,
>as i was. i did think carefully before deciding to post what i did, though
>in retrospect perhaps i let the desire for revenge outweigh better sense.
>the truth is that in person i doubt Gary would dare (no pun intended)
>to argue in the manner he has on the net, which is what *i* find offensive.

>there are two sides to every story, and you have missed most of mine.

No Charles, we've seen it all, every last self-aggrandizing bit of it.
A line from an old Alistair Sim movie comes to mind, something about
a pompous ass.

>--
>charles

REB

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: rbutterw@math.uwaterloo.ca (Ray Butterworth [MFCF])
Subject: Re: 500 New Jobs Per Day
Keywords: recession, jobs
Organization: Math Faculty Computing Facility, University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:48:42 GMT

In article <schuck.726799410@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>By 1992, the Tories had raised it to 250,000 per year -- 685 per day.
>
>I know that all 685 of those people were not looking for work,

Right.
A significant number (i.e. more than 185) are probably young children,
housewives, etc.

>but a
>little simple math says that if jobs grow by 500/day and we let
>685/day into the country, unemployment grows at 185/day.

Only if you ignore what you just said before the "but".

i.e. you just said something like "If we ignore the facts, then ...".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross)
Subject: Re: Unique, eh?
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:41:36 GMT

godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
: In article <1993Jan11.034008.2994@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes:
: > 
: > Hey Larry! Tell us about yourself!
: > Canada is boring; Larry Godfrey is interesting!
: > 
: 
: Incidentaly, I looked up the newspaper references for you, re. dispute
: with NRC - only one (Ottawa Citizen) has a date - March 26th, 1987, but
: there are cuttings from Globe and Mail, T. Star and several others I
: cannot identify from the same period.  Also News Commentary on CJOH TV
: around same time - I have text but not date.

See, folks? Larry is more interesting than the dickens.
Tell us more... lots more.  Immerse us in that which is Larry Godfrey.

-- 
Brian Ross                          
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca            
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: mbrownel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Mark Brownell)
Subject: Re: canadian subway
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:19:50 GMT

In article <C0J9Hv.7K6@panix.com> dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein)
writes:
>If I might bother my Canadian neighbors for a second: I recall far too
>many years ago riding the ?Montrea? ?Toronto? subway and being
>impressed
>by itsrubber wheels.
>
>Can anyone advise 1) which city thiswas, and 2) whether it still uses
>rubber tires for wheels.
>
>thank you
>
>danny (clank clank) burstein
>

The Montreal Metro still has the wheels, danny. It also plays the first
3 notes of King Crimson's "Moonchild" when it pulls out of the station.
If you're feeling nostalgic, rent Denis Arcand's "Jesus of Montreal" for
a Metro fix.

Mark B.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics