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From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: world
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Convince me to stick with Atari.
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 17:55:56 EST

I'd like to hear some arguments convincing me to stay with a sinking
ship, Atari.

In 1986 I bought a top-of-the-line, leading edge piece of hardware, a
1040STf with a colour monitor.  Seven years later, this computer is far
too slow for the things I do (even for _programming_; forget DTP,
animation, and rendering).  It's a dead-end for the things I _want_ to
do when I graduate (human interface design, learning research, human
factors research, etc), and the things I do now in the real world
(technical writing).  It's still servicable as a word processor for
school and it (eventually) gets the job done for some of my other
interests (programming).  And I've got some fun games.  :-)

I'd like to know why I should buy a TT or Falcon030 (but I would never
consider the current model... too limited, too much of a hassle to set
up properly on my desk, too expensive for what you get) instead of
buying a nice new Mac IIci or IIvx or IIvi or whatever I can get a good
deal on.  You can't give me arguments like, "I don't like the
interface!" (after all, I've been using Spectre for about two years
now), or "I don't like Apple's lawyer squad!".  I want real, useful,
_convincing_ arguments.  And yes, I'm already aware that there aren't
really any decent games for the Mac...  That's changing though, and I
don't usually play that many games (other than NetHack/Omega).

Let 'er rip folks.  If I'm going to have to replace all of my software
anyway, I'd rather do it with _quality_ software with a decent
interface.  Right now, a '486 system with OS/2 on it is looking _very_,
_very_ attractive.

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Chris Herborth
cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Spectre & TT
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:27:56 GMT
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article 3344@news.unige.ch, mike@medsun.unige.ch (michel morris) writes:
>
>> >2. Is the internal SCSI disk accesssible by the Mac?
>> 
>> Yes.  You just have to set up separate partitions for Atari and Mac use.
>
>*******  I disagree !  **********
>	 A very important point - for me, it is _not_ possible to use _any_ 
> internal drive with TT and Spectre; Dave Small also states this in the manual.
> If John can tell me how to do this, I would be very happy, but I think not!

Then I stand corrected, Mike.  I've seen Spectre running on a TT countless
times but it just never occured to me to see if it was using an external or
internal hard disk.  Sorry, and thanks for the correction.

BTW, if you need to contact Gadgets by Small, I'd recommend sending a FAX as
Dave rarely checks into the Internet anymore.
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From: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Spectre & TT
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:22:22 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1993Jan5.203916.22548@newshost.lanl.gov>
hutch@bellman.lanl.gov writes:
> ... the GCR does not support 1.44Mb... yet ...

It doesn't need to. Mac HD disks are MFM so all Dave Small has to do is just
read the data of the disk as normal even with Spectre 128.

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From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: Compatibles and stuff...
	<1993Jan7.010921.25655@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<C0Gyy1.Bzv@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 17:17:06 EST

In <C0Gyy1.Bzv@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, Kevin J. Klasmeier writes:
> "If marketing a computer is so easy, then why is the PC market so big?"
> 
> Better play it safe than sorry when you build your own computer, hiding
> under MICROSOFT is the only way to go, no one should bother creating a
> better computer when the three giants control every move you make.

Or, buy some of the decent hardware that Microsoft has made cheap, and
put a REAL operating system on it, like OS/2, or any of the _free_ unix
implementations (with X).

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Chris Herborth
cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
From: rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Greg Patten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Setting up the RS232 in Sozobon
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:29:23 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
Originator: rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU

dsb@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Scott Bigham) writes:

>From the Holy Book of <1is074INNig2@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU>
>  as spake by rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Greg Patten) :

[..stuff I wrote..]

>Right.  That code was originally written for Mark Williams C, which does
>things slightly differently (different header files, different struct
>layouts, stuff like that).  It does require some modification for HSC.
>I'll mail you some diffs.

Thankyou _VERY_ much for the diffs...I tried to patch them  at home and on 
the Un*x box but they both didn't like it..
It (the Un*x one ) said:

==========================cut======================
Hmm...  Looks like a new-style context diff to me...
The text leading up to this was:
--------------------------
|*** TIP.C	Mon Jan 11 18:24:21 1993
|--- tip.c	Mon Jan 11 18:23:56 1993
--------------------------
Patching file TIP.C using Plan A...
Hunk #1 failed at 13.
Hunk #2 failed at 58.
Hunk #3 failed at 103.
Hunk #4 failed at 113.
Hunk #5 failed at 174.
Hunk #6 failed at 226.
Hunk #7 failed at 260.
7 out of 7 hunks failed--saving rejects to TIP.C.rej
Hmm...  Ignoring the trailing garbage.
done
=========================end=======================

Which was much the same as the one on th ol' STe said..Something to
do with the 'plan'?

>>I'm sorry if this is a stupid question but I'm new to programming
>>and I don't really have much documention.

>Like diving in head first, eh? ;)

You betcha!

>>Also, is there new docs for the mint dlibs or is it a case of 'use the 
>>source'?

>"Use the Source, Luke."  Actually, though, large portions of the
>MiNTlibs are similar to the Unix libraries, so if you have access to a
>Unix system, you can check the man pages there.

I find man pages a little easier to use..:)

>Good luck!

Boy am I gonna need it! But, when I get this thingy working someone's
going to thank me (I hope..:).

Cheers, and thanks again Scott,

Greg.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dcable@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dan Cable)
Subject: Re: Falcon030 competes with '486dx-33
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 05:27:54 GMT

You might want to just wander over to the OS2 newsgroups and look around
before getting one of the Zeos systems that you were quoting the prices
of. That operating system wants lots of memory, lots of harddisk and lots
of CPU speed. There are also problems with certain video boards and other
perpherals (especially SCSI stuff). That, unfortunately, is one of the
problems that you get with open architecture.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: uk
From: Rincewind@discworld.oche.de (Rincewind                      alias Michael Schwingen)
Subject: Re: Internals of an ST keyboard
Keywords: Replacement part needed
Reply-To: rincewind@discworld.oche.de
X-Software: Okami Newsreader Version 0.0 B18
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 21:44:36 MEZ

In <H.q&CXAby59KY@zebedee.uucp>,
Geoffrey Coan (geoffc@zebedee.uucp) wrote:

GC>I then dismanteled the keyboard, unstuck the key and cut away the plastic so
GC>that the key mechanism worked properly.  The problem is that when I came to
GC>put the keyboard together afterwards I discovered that I was one little
GC>rubber 'bit' missing.  The piece I am missing is about 1cm accross and
GC>contains a small graphite block which makes the contact on the PCB.

Well - I don't think you are actually *missing* one, as I think it was 
not there in the first place :-)

There usually is space for two of those rubber parts under the RETURN 
key, but there is only one mounted there - so if you place two of them 
under the RETURN key, you miss one elsewhere :-)

btw: if you have disassembled the whole keyboard, it might be a good idea 
to clean the gold contacts and the inner part of the rubber parts (with 
the small, round piece of conductive rubber) with a cotton-wool-tip and 
some ethanol or isopropanol alcohol (use at least 95% pure alcohol, and 
no aceton or other sharper solvents) - you get a much better keyboard 
reaction, just as if it was new :-)

cu
Michael
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From: Peter_Missel@k.maus.de (Peter Missel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: .APP doesn't work on MegaSTE
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:32:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: K.A52790
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.16/hb

m>I have a Mega4STE with TOS 2.05. I can't get any .APP files to open: if I
m>double click on them, I just get the "Show - Print " dialogue box.

Try deleting your NEWDESK.INF from your boot drive or adding a line similar to
theone that contains the '*.PRG` to that file.
From: mchapman@butes.eis (Michael Chapman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Zu verkaufen
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:50:30 GMT
Reply-To: mchapman@eis.k8.rt.bosch.de
Distribution: deunet


    Atari Mega ST4 mit interne 105MB Platte und SW Monitor.
    Mit Turbo C 2.0 (orig. Licenz) und TeX usw. 

und:
    Vortex HD Plus 20MB externe Festplatte fuer Atari ST
    fuer nur DM 200 (mit Kabel, Cacheing Treiber, Utilities
    usw.).

Tel: 07121/35-1662 Tags ueber
     07121/47757   Abends

Mike Chapman

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: a Fair Dinkum new year
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:57:00 GMT

In article 94sZwB3w165w@status.gen.nz, jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
> 
> Happy New year John boy......


And the very same right back at ya, mate (and all netters, worldwide)! Enjoy!
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___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Arcs and MSA help needed desperately!!
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wells)
Date: 10 Jan 1993 20:59:58 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

>  An even better idea is to drop MSA completely and use Chaos Disk
> Compactor. Not only does it eliminate the disk-swapping on
> single-floppy systems, it also compresses much better and can
> decompress both it's own files (CDC) and MSA files.

Problem:  It's not STE compatible!!  (At least, none of the STE owners
over here have made it work).

Use Ultra-Pack if you are going to do something like that, as it compresses
the data a LOT better than Magic-Shadow!

Or try & locate the macig shadow (version 1.31 or something), that has
a better compression in it (put in by a third party....).


Chaos would be the best one, if it worked on the STE!

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 | O O    Computers:  Not just machines, they're a way of  |       |||       |
 |  o     life.  Your computer *IS* your religion!         |       ||| TARI  |
 | \_/    Steve Wells - Wellington, New Zealand.           |      / | \      |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jbunch@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Bunch)
Subject: Re: A.A.U.E
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:26:58 GMT

dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) writes:

>In article <C0Lp26.4zD@ecf.toronto.edu> alrashi@ecf.toronto.edu (AL RASHID SHAHIR) writes:
>>Anybody know if anything is wrong with the server at atari.archive.umich.edu?

>Use the wuarchive.wustl.edu mirror instead of ftping directly to a.a:

>	wuarchive.wustl.edu: mirrors/archive.umich.edu/atari/...

I get the same message from wuarchive most of the time..  This is really
beginning to be a pain...  ;-)

John

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From: clausb@hpbbrd.bbn.hp.com (Claus Brod)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:18:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Falcon DOES have Super-VGA
Organization: HP Mechanical Design Division
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Peter Missel (Peter_Missel@k.maus.de) wrote:
> It supplies a higher pixel clock rate into the Falcon030, thus making higher
> scan rates possible.

Does this also mean that such video modes impose a higher load on the
system bus?


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From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: SPS files
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:22:15 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1993Jan6.182318.10233@cs.nott.ac.uk> pcxkrm@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (K.R.Marshall) writes:
>Can anyone tell me what the extension .SPS means? I assume it is a 
>spectrum graphics file, like SPU or SPC, but none of my spectrum viewers
>will cope with it.

SPectrum Smooched or a special Spectrum animation file for use with Unispec.
Spectrum Smooched will compress the images more than SPC will.  SPSLIDEX will
let you view the SPS files.




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: *.Z compression
Keywords: compress zip
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 15:35:05 GMT

In article <2883@targon.UUCP> gert@targon.UUCP (Gert Kanis) writes:
>=>: 	*.Z --> use uncompress
>=>: 	*.F --> use freeze -d
>=>
>=>And while we're discussing extensions:
>=>
>=>        *.z (lower-case) --> use GNU ZIP
>=>
>=>It's supposed to become the new standard for the GNU-project. I can now
>=>see LOTS and LOTS of people wondering where to get an Atari-version of
>
>And how are we gonna see the difference between .Z and .z under TOS
>on the Ataries?

1) GZIP knows the difference in format between "compress" files, and
"ziped" files.  It will probably be subsuming the code of classic
compress Real Soon Now, so that it won't matter which program was used
to compress, GZIP can be used to uncompress it.

In short, you don't need to see the difference.

>What's wrong with the old .ZIP extension ?

Nothing.

GZIP doesn't support "multiple file archives."  That is, it is not a
direct competitor with ZIP, because it currently deals with only
single files.

The main thing that it has in common with ZIP is the fact that it uses
the same compression algorithm.

The two formats are likely to co-exist, at least for a while.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Wolfgang Ley)
Subject: Re: Editor???
Organization: Rechenzentrum der TU CLAUSTHAL
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 15:15:06 GMT

In article <4BL0AWR@math.fu-berlin.de>
hohmuth@freia.sax.de (Michael Hohmuth) writes:
 
>In article <1993Jan7.142811.20499@fwi.uva.nl>, storm@fwi.uva.nl (Richard G.C. Storm (I89)) writes:
>
>> I'm currently looking for a good editor for my atari.
>
>There are a few good ones around in the Shareware market.
>Look for QED, 7Up, xEdit.
>
 
Hi!
 
Take a look at ftp.tu-clausthal.de (either via anonymous FTP or via email
to mail-server@ftp.tu-clausthal.de)...
 
anonymous FTP:
  ftp ftp.tu-clausthal.de
  login "ftp"
  password "<your email-address>"
  cd /pub/atari/editors
  get Index
  quit
 
email:
  mail mail-server@ftp.tu-clausthal.de
  send /pub/atari/editors/Index
  send /pub/atari/Index.complete
  end
 
Bye,
  Wolfgang.
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From: jan@janhh.hanse.de (Jan Willamowius)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: First Word + To Word Perfect?
Distribution: world
Date: 4 Jan 93 01:10:34 GMT
Keywords: Text file translation, 1wp, wp, conversion

leonp@cs.kun.nl (Leon Pillich) writes:

>I need as soon as possible a conversion program to convert
>First Word Plus files to Word Perfect files.

Word Perfect 4.1 for the ST includes a utility called CONVERT that
does it. (I don't know how well - I haven't tried.)

- Jan

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: klasmekj@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Kevin J. Klasmeier)
Subject: I can't believe YOU!!!Re: NEW ATARI SUPPORT Part 2
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:34:50 GMT

In article <1iljgsINNl6l@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin) writes:
><SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>>The question arises:  why the *#:&#: does Atari have this attitude?  I agree,
>some really STOOOOOPID fucks.  I say we should start a postcard campaign,
>resulting in mailbags full of the cards arriving daily, on which each one
>is written:  "Please Msrs Tramiel, won't you all please climb into one of
>your BMWs and drive off a steep cliff BEFORE you kill the company off
>completely?"
>
>Be sure to say "Thank you" at the end of the note...
>--

I am sorry but I have to take offense to your message. I cannot believe
you and all of the rest of the crowd who feel this way. Who the HELL are
you? Are you some computer CEO God who has SICK rage to KILL the owners
of a company just because you don't like the way they do business. Are
you that superior? You bought a F*cking computer from a company who you
don't like. Where is the reason to demand death to the owner? You and
your satanic clan have no part in the information sig. You and your
wicked mind have no place in any sig. or on any net. or anywhere on this
earth!

It is not a case of being facetious or no. You are COMPLETELY out of
line here. To ever (_EVER_) wish death on a CEO because you don't like
the way he runs _HIS_ company is absolutely outrages. 

....sigh....the insanity and immaturity of people like you saddens me.
It is hard to believe the mentality of you and your kind.... :^(


                  +------------------------------------+_
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                  | *> NET: klasmekj@ucunix.san.uc.edu | |
                  | *> GEnie: K.Klasmeier              | |
                  | {Cincinnati, Ohio in the US of A}  | |
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From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: Porky pig.
	<H.ea.0kgtRS0BsQs@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca>
	<1993Jan11.021216.13462@bsu-ucs>
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:48:52 EST

In <1993Jan11.021216.13462@bsu-ucs>, 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
> My thoughts to that point (thinking more generally) are that MOST people don't
> NEED to program in GNU C++.  This places a hard-drive back into the nice-but-
> still-a-luxury catagory.  Sorry, it's still $$ (and a maybe a smattering of
> nostalgia) that holds me out of the clone-realm.  I'll probably cross the
> threshhold some time after a hard-drive for this ST costs more than a complete
> clone system.  And that's not likely to happen soon.

Well, _I_ program in GNU C++ (ok, so I'm just learning...), and _I_ do
rendering, and _I_ do DTP...  and I'm getting flamed by some of the
other posters for daring to suggest the ST might not be up to snuff for
what I do.

BTW, check out misc.forsale.computers for used hard drive prices.  I
bought a 50M Quantum for $80 a few months ago...

> I believe someone said something about that being a beta copy, or unliscenced
> or something.  Of course pirating is not so unfamiliar to many clone users.

How exactly does one pirate a CD-ROM?  650M hard drives aren't exactly
cheap...  ;-)

From what I've read, it's a beta of OS/2 2.1...  MS sold millions of
copies of the Windows 3.1 beta (Windows 3.0, remember that one?)...

> Anywho, it sounds like you're on the right track.  Buy what you need.  Use
> will-power.  Buy only what you need.  The clone-realm is prone to draw a man to
> gadget hell.  Look at them, look at what Atari can do, look at what MAC can do.  
> Good luck!

Precisely why I'm trying to collect as much info as possible...  I
figure I'm pretty immune to the clone sales droids, but my fiancee's
father isn't...

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Chris Herborth
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