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From: barry@geovision.gvc.com (Barry Comer)
Subject: Re: Exploding rear windshield
Keywords: shattered
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:55:17 GMT

In <1992Nov4.160544.5750@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> brazeal@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (susan.k.brazeal) writes:

>As I was driving home last night, I heard a loud pop, glimpsed a flash of
>light in the rear view mirror and saw that the rear windshield had filled
>with cracks, no more than a quarter inch apart.  As soon as I drove over
>a bump large enough to bounce the car a little, the windshield began falling
>out in pieces.

>Car:  1989 Chevy Cavalier (warranty expired 7 months ago, of course)

>Related info:  rear defogger had been on about 10 minutes.

>Theory: something overheated and the defogger shorted out.

>BUT THIS STILL SHOULDN'T CAUSE THE WINDSHIELD TO SHATTER!

>Anyone ever heard of anything like this happening before?

When I worked at a GM dealership repairing their junk a fellow
had a Chevette in to have one of the rear defogger lines(one 
of the lines that go across the rear windshield).  The mechanic 
put a paste between the break and used a very low setting of the
heat gun(part of the procedure) to cure it.  A few minutes into
the procedure the rear window shattered from the uneven heating.

later
Barry

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Thanks

Dan
From: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Are there any Luxary AWD?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 14:35:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
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In a previous article, eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) says:

>In article <BxIyov.IMF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) writes:
>
>I did a study of "AWD" cars and systems a little while back and ....
>
>>Mercedes Benz has an allegedly excellent 4wd system available on the 300E.  
>
>the benz system is a case of extreme overkill.  very sophisticated and
>very complex but very modest goals.. that of an automatically engaging
>part time 4wd system.  ugh!  road tests show that it is not in the
>least bit superior in terms of behavior than simpler full time systems
>such as Audis.  Mercedes have already bitten the bullet with 4Matic.
>The next generation of 300E will have a much simpler full time system
>like the other makes.
>
>>Porsche 911 is available with 4wd. 
>
>now you're talking.  here's a sophisticated and complex system that's
>actually better than Audi's.  it also doubles as a cure for the 911's
>tail happiness.  (when the speed and g sensors sense that the tail is
>about to wag, it induces understeer through progressive locking of the
>rear differential)
>
>>These are the only 4wd luxury cars I can think of
>
>Audi quattro!!  the cars that started the ball rolling.  The company
>with the most experience with the most refined AWD system your money
>can buy.  the latest models are much more luxurious and quiet than the
>raw excitement of the earlier models.  if you want the ultimate AWD
>luxury car, look no further.  those from rival companies are mere
>token attempts at answering to audi's barrage with AWD available for
>every single model.  you have many choices, the 90 and 100 with 172
>bhp, the S4 with 230+, the V8 with 280.  the top models are AWD only.
>
>>If you just want safe snow behavior, consider a 2wd car with traction control.
>>Here are all the ones I can think of:
>
>[..]
>
>>	Mitsubishi Diamante (This one MAY have 4wd.  I can't remember.)
>
>nope, it's fwd.
> 

Also the Cadillac Allante (traction control, FWD) and the Subaru SVX (AWD).

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From: nestor+@cs.cmu.edu (Nestor F Michelena)
Subject:  WARRANTY OUTSIDE THE US
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:38:47 GMT

What happens when you travel abroad and your car breaks down?

Do dealers in, e.g., Canada honor the warranty on cars bought in the US?

Thanks,


Nestor Michelena



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From: omalley@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John O'Malley)
Subject: Re: saturn/OLDs speculation
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:53:02 GMT

In article <7493@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> jitloke@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Jit-Loke Lim) writes:
>
> Someone also needs to figure out what Olds stands for.  I'm not quite
> sure what Olds should be, maybe the "not quite the image of Cadillac, but
> better than Chevrolet, and not quite as sporty as Pontiac division."

Your desription fits not only Olds, but Buick as well.  If rumors are true
that GM will eventually dump two divisions, and if current marketing
positions are an important part of the decision, then Olds and Buick seem
to have the worst standings.

Current images portrayed in ads:  Cadillac is luxury;  Pontiac is sporty;
Chevrolet is family;  Saturn is reliability and value (with no mention of
association with GM);  GMC Truck is, perhaps, ruggedness and utility.
What's left?  Conservativeness?  That'd make a good marketing theme.
(Not!)


-John           [My two-cents' worth.]
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From: rajiv@hilltop.mitre.org (Rajiv Kohli)
Subject: Re: What do you do when Mitsubishi's Customer Relations says "F*** O**"
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:23:44 GMT

In article <BxAqon.J0q@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov5.212603.10304@linus.mitre.org> rajiv@hilltop.mitre.org (Rajiv Kohli) writes:
>>I have had a Diamante 92 for the past 10 months. Since day 1 it has
>>had a rattle from the stereo and from within the console.
>>
>>Mitsubishi Regional Manager authorized 5 different stereo sets to
>>replacements over the 10 month period. The rattle is still there
>>and is now probably worse.
>
>[Classic horror story omitted.]
>
>I'd say fix the rattle yourself. This is not a major problem like a
>broken valve stem or a total drivetrain failure - this is just a rattle.
>Sure, it's the principle of the thing, but you have already spent more
>in your own time, money, and frustration to more than pay for the repair
>(even if you have someone else do it for you). It's fine to stand on
>principle, but is it really worth all the hassle for a $25 repair job?
>

True, but it is not a $25 dollar repair job - we have considered the option
It is the stereo buttons that rattle because of poor design. Yes the
console rattle I have been trying to fix myself by putting a cushion in
between the dashboard and the coffee cup holder. It is the damn stereo
that is a pain. I even thought about replacing it by an off the market
model but I can't since the controls are on the steering wheel, too.
Unless I let the steering controls remain their as a dummy remote. What a
waste. Is their a stereo available that can be modified to be usable with
a steering control. If so, let me know
From: patrick@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FALCON GT
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:11:31 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Nov5.023003.35545@datamark.co.nz>, thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:
>
> Ford Falcon's are still currently made in Australia. They are very
> different from the Falcon of the 60's. 
> 

At the Sydney motor show they had one of the new V8 ones next to a
fully restored 1960's one. 

My friend and I looked over the both of them and thought they both had much
the same non-existant style.

The new one looks pretty typical of a Australian Ford product - a shit box.
Build quality looked a bit sus, plenty of plastic inside, Oh, and the air
conditioning reciever/dryer mounted right in the mid front of the radiator,
just behind the plasticky bumper was a real nice touch - sort of typical
of Ford design really.
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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: shoud there be two different licences
Date: 13 Nov 1992 00:30:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, jailbird@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (serial killer) says:

>
>
>
>Hey people,
>
>What do you  think about this
>
>Should we have a one licence to operate a manual transmisssion and one for  
>automatic, ecept if you know how to drive a mnual you can drive a auto  
>with no problem.  I'm asking this because I almost crashed in to someone  
>who borrowed his friends car with a 5 speed which he didn't know how to  
>drive at all. He was going about 50 in 4th gear and downshifted into first  
>while his tires locked up.
>
>Why should a person be allowed to drive a 5 speed unless he has proven he  
>knows how to? This person could be endangering other people on the road we  
>speak
>

i agree..mostly...but there should be some "test" for both types...not just
because you can drive a stick, that they automatically assume that you can
drive the auto too(even though this is by and far the case rather than vice
versa!)....but it should not be automatically assumed that anyone can drive
either! but i think that this is a semidecent idea..well..i dunno..
read the sig!
DREW
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From: lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin)
Subject: Re: highly desirable cars not sold in the US (was INFFINITI vs BMW
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:19:17 GMT

In article <Nov10.074118.14328@engr.washington.edu> eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>
>nissan sunny (sentra) GTI-R  (0-60 5.1 sec, 144 mph top speed, AWD)
>nissan 200 sx (240 sx with 1.8 turbo, 0-60 6.4 sec)
>
>hey you non-american netters:  what cars sold in america do you wish
>was sold in your country? 
>

Last time I ask, Sentra SE-R was not sold in Canada :(.  The salesperson
told me that Nissan figured out that they couldn't sell enough of them
here to make a profit.

>
>
>eliot

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From: ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR SIGING WEI)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gasoline
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:26:38 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


My concern is about the Nitrogen in the ..nol's, all those
product are from Grains (like corns or other stuff). And 
after teh combustion, the N -> N0_2, or NO, which is not measured
as "emission, but really bad for living things!

Unless there are more studies, I think we(or rather they) are
substuting one bad thing by another (maybe worse).

Anybody out there know any details?
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From: wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii)
Subject: Re: *** ANYTHING "BAD" WITH '89,'90,'91 FORD TAURUS ***
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:53:44 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

douglas.p.linden (dpl@cbnewsl.cb.att.com) wrote:
: In article <Bx5n7q.Aq5@mail.boi.hp.com>, wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
: > dml7@navaho.cc.bellcore.com wrote:
: 
: > For reference, we have an '87 MT-5 wagon.  It has been flawless and trouble
: > free.  The seats are mounted lower than the normal Taurus of today and with
: > the handling package it handles extremely well.  We get 28+ mpg with our
: > city-highway type of driving.  It came with sport wheels plus is fully
: > equipped inside.  The only thing that we want are the rear passenger 
: > shoulder restraints for when the kids outgrow their car seats...
: > 
: > Wes Fujii
:  
: I have recently received a note from Ford that rear pass shoulder belts
: are now available for most of their products.  They will install them
: for $20 bucks plus the cost of parts.  Supposed to take about an hour
: to install.
: 

I ordered the rear passenger restraint kit for our '87 wagon (Thanks, Doug).
It cost me $58.  There shouldn't be too much to it.  I'll find out when it
comes in...

Wes Fujii

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From: bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser)
Subject: Re: Saturn Polymer Side Panels - How tough ??
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:54:58 GMT

mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:

>> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:

>>What do you expect from him anyway?  He's in the ME school at Purdue.
>>I did my undergrad in the Aero school there, and I know what those
>>ME guys are like, I roomed with one.  They barely teach those guys
>>statics.  Bwahahahahahahahaha!  Flame away, Mike!  Stick to thermo!
>>(God, I hated ME200 so much, I took it twice.)
>
>At least I will have a job when I graduate...

Don't count on it.  You may have to consider grad school at some other
TOP TEN university.  Oh, I forgot, you'll be going back to Gary.
I feel bad for you.  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Regards,

Brian

bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: millette@bnr.ca (Pierre Millette)
Subject: Re: 89 Ford Taurus chronic stalling problem
Reply-To: millette@bnr.ca (Pierre Millette)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 17:21:18 GMT

Bonjour Basil,

Ton francais est excellent. On ne dirait pas que tu ne l'as pas
utilise' en huit ans. 

Voici l'information que tu m'as demande'e. J'espe`re qu'elle
te sera utile pour ton proble`me d'automobile. La pompe a e'te'
remplace'e sous le programme: "Extended coverage fuel pump Program, 
number 91M75".

Bonne chance,
Pierre

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From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: Re: Advice - 1984 Pontiac Sunbird
Keywords: Advice, Pontiac, Sunbird, 2000
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:18:31 GMT

I drive an '83 2000 SE (Two-door hatchback)  I have not had too much trouble 
with it except the cooling system.  make sure you get the radiator flushed 
every two years and keep an eye on your thermostat.

Other Repairs:
C-V Joints both sides $275 80K
Valve cover gasket $80 66K
Timing Belt $120 85K

Upcoming Repairs:
Head Gasket $?? 85K (burning oil and idleing at 450 rpm-1100 normal)


As with the speeding, I sometimes crank it up to 85-85+ on the freeway to burn
the carbon out of the engine.

I have had decent luck with mine and can't complain.  I love the body style and
the way it incorporates my BOOOMIN' SYSTEM!
-- 
THE HYPEMAN.
1983 Pontiac 2000 SE   1983 Honda Nighthawk 650   DECEMBER 12,1992
   "BABY BOOOM"             MINT CONDITION         "TIE THE KNOT"
 'SYSTEM FOR SALE'      "FOR SALE"-Best Offer!     ^^Any Advice?^^
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From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: ++Pontiac Idle at ~4-5,000 RPM-Help?!++
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:03:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.132014.28218@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber) writes:
>I have a 1983 Pontiac 2000 SE that started running very rough and idling at 
>about 4,500 RMP (Normally at 10-11,000 RMP).  I recently had to be towed to get
>a new timing belt-I had ripped all the teeth of of mine!

Idling at 4500 RPM?
Normally idles at 10000 RPM?
And you wonder why all the teeth got ripped out of the belt?

>The mechanic (who has
>done QUALITY work for me at a very fair price) mentioned that it was running 
>rough and that I should get it back in.

Maybe you should look for another Quality Mechanic (tm) that knows how to
set the idle RPM correctly.

[todays's cars with warping disk brakes and busted timing belts...
[Are we having fun yet?]

>1983 Pontiac 2000 SE   1983 Honda Nighthawk 650   DECEMBER 12,1992
>   "BABY BOOOM"             MINT CONDITION         "TIE THE KNOT"
> 'SYSTEM FOR SALE'            "FOR SALE"

Sell the Pontiac, keep the motorcycle...
From: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Top 20 Selling Vehicles of 1992
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:18:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.5694
Organization: Addiction Studies Program, Seattle University

In article <BxBBvy.AEK@scd.hp.com> klui@corp.hp.com (Kenneth K.F. Lui) writes:
>In article <Bx9s0H.K9r@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>>  Well, *actually* the Accord, Camry, and Corolla are each made in various US
>>  plants.  The Accord in Marysville, Ohio, the Camry in Georgetowne, Ky, and
>>  the Corolla in CA.
>
>These cars are assembled in the US, but I'll bet many of its
>parts are manufactured in Japan (I don't think the seats, the
>stereo, windshield wipers, the ECU, etc are manufactured by an
>American company).  These Japanese cars that are qualified as
>"made in the USA" is just a technicality, IMHO.
>

Actually, the American content is higher than you state.  Things like
the seats are definatly American made, as is the body, chassis, tires,
wheels, and in the case of Honda and Toyota (on some models) much of
the engine and transmission.

Several Japanese cars have 75% US content, and consider this, the new
Chrysler LH models is under 80% US content, so the difference is
narrowing.  Still there is a difference in where the profits go, but
hey, most of the Auto companies aren't making any profits!  (Nissan
lost money so far this year!)

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From: blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Noise when turning left -- mitigates when applying brake. Huh?
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:24:38 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes:

> I have owned sevral front wheel drive automobiles, and one of the parts
> that can often cause trouble is the rod which transfers power from the
> drive to the wheel.  This rod is jointed, allowing it to follow the angle
> of the wheel.  Some driving styles may cause more stress on this joint
> than others. Hard acceleration with sharp wheel angles from a dead start
> is one.
> 
> In any case, if the noise seems to be a "clacking" sound, this might
> be your best bet.  Are you sure that this is engine noise and not
> something like the above?
> 
> Incidentally, if anyone knows the name of the rod/joint in English, I would
> appreciate them telling me.
> 
> 	Shai


You mean a CV Joint? (Constant Velocity).  If you beat on a front wheel drive 
car, they dont last as long as they can.  Also, there is a rubber boot 
covering them.  If the boot gets ripped, torn, or cracked, the grease that 
keeps the joints "happy" fails.  Lack of grease could be the cause of the 
noise, or if sand/mud/dirt works it way into them, thier life is shorted.


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From: jdg40@pecan.spa.amdahl.com (Jeff Gee)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: saturn/OLDs speculation
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:26:49 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation  Sunnyvale, CA

In article <7493@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> jitloke@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Jit-Loke Lim) writes:
:Someone also needs to figure out what Olds stands for. For a while there, they
:were the "not your father's Olds" company which pissed of older buyers. Now,
:I see full page ads touting Achieva SCX racing successes. I think GM should
:leave the "sport" with Pontiac, which has done well with that image. I'm not
:quite sure what Olds should be, maybe the "not quite the image of Cadillac,
:but better than Chevrolet, and not quite as sporty as Pontiac division." And
:of course, they had to do the Bravada which makes no sense whatsoever to Olds, 
:maybe perhaps die-hard Olds buyers who need a sport-ute.

But you could say the same for Buick as you could for Olds.  The problem is
that Buick and Olds really compete in the same market, and Buick seems to
be winning.

Jeff
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From: nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock)
Subject: Re: Exploding rear windshield
Organization: The Flying Squid Patrol
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:22:11 GMT
Keywords: shattered

In article <1992Nov4.160544.5750@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> brazeal@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (susan.k.brazeal) writes:
>As I was driving home last night, I heard a loud pop, glimpsed a flash of
>light in the rear view mirror and saw that the rear windshield had filled
>with cracks, no more than a quarter inch apart.  As soon as I drove over
>a bump large enough to bounce the car a little, the windshield began falling
>out in pieces.
[ ... ]
>Anyone ever heard of anything like this happening before?

Not to a windshield, but the same peculiar thing happened to one of the 
sliding glass doors that leads out of our basement.  One day, we found it
shattered edge to edge, with an almost uniform square crack pattern.  There
was no sign of any impact with any object (like a thrown rock or something.)
The whole door was still in place, except for a couple of pieces that had
fallen out.  The door was hardly ever used, so anything use-related was
pretty much ruled out.  We eventually just attributed it to a defective
piece of glass, replaced it, and forgot about it.

I must say, the shattered door was quite something to see.

                                - Neil

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