HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: Is it ok to soak cluster in gasoline?
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:36:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.214930.8039@panix.com>
paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:
 
> A pawl seems to be sticking intermittently on my rear SunTour 600 cluster.
>I figured leaving it in a bucket of white gas with some moderate agitation
>would clean up the problem.
> I just wanted to get some quick international feedback on the advisability
>of this idea.
>
> P.S. I know, no smoking around the project.
 
  ...and do it OUTDOORS! Yeah, *you* know, but a lot of people don't.
A friend in the military demolition business told me of a film he once
saw in which a cup of gasoline was placed in the second story of an old
house, and a lit candle placed on the ground floor. After a moderate
delay, BOOM. Blew the entire house apart. Impressive, eh?
 
Gasoline is a fine solvent, but there are better ones that are non-flammable
and not as toxic. Auto supply stores have solvents used in degreasers.
 
But to answer your question- sure, why not. Just re-lube after cleaning.
 
      --mike
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Question: wheel rebuilding
From: jbrodsky@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (cool flowin gotta keep goin...)
Date: 30 JUL 92 03:36:30    
Reply-To: jbrodsky@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: UofA Hardware And Computing Knowledge Society
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In article <0_pmk9f.tomk@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes...
>I find Matrix rims to be very stiff, light and a little brittle
>so be careful not to overtighten because you'll pull out the nipples.
>(Whoops, yes indeed I did.)


    My friend has a set of Iso-C on his mtn bike.  Are they good?  He paid like
200 for the pair, I think that's a little steep?  Anybody else?
    Joel Brodsky      jbrodsky@hacks.arizona.edu
                      jbrodsky@seagull.tucson.az.us
                      jbrodsky@maria.wustl.edu
                      jmbrodsk@nyx.cs.du.edu


  I don't yet have a nifty bike pic to go here.  -sorry 

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From: langston@src.umd.edu ()
Subject: Ketler info wanted
Originator: langston@disney.src.umd.edu
Organization: Systems Research Center, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:30:05 GMT

	I wonder if anyone in net.land can help me out.  I'm the owner of 
a used "Kettler Triathalete" racing bike.  I'm not familiar with this 
brand.  It's an odd frame design with a bolted-on rear triangle.  It's
very light (chromoly) but I've noticed that all the nuts, bolts, etc
seem to be bastardized sizes.  Anybody have any info on these bikes? 
	
-- 
Richard Langston (langston@src.umd.edu)  (w) 301 405 6597 (h) 301 572 4817 
computer systems specialist/systems research center/university of maryland
   All that is left of my reason, are holes in the kness of my blues
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From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: Re: ?? on world champ colors
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:40:41 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Keywords: world championship


-- 
as far as i know, ex-world champions can have rainbow collars and cuffs
indefinitely.

aaron
From: msd0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL S. DE LEON)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: BAY AREA CYCLING CLUBS
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:09:06 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Does anyone have a listing of bay area cycling clubs. I will be moving out to
San Francisco this fall so any information on cycling clubs with in
or near the San Francisco area would be greatly appreciated.
area
From: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: info on bicycle rental in Atlanta
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:34:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <9czU02Su1b.O01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> stevena@cs.berkeley.edu writes:
>Does anyone know a place where I can rent a bicycle in Atlanta
>for 4-5 days next month.  The bike need merely be functional--
Mail me I've got a couple of good bikes I don't mind loaning. I live here
at GA TECH and in Midtown. Since my wreck Thursday I won't be riding for
a while.

-- 
Bruce Mccullough-Tech Assistant   | "The sharpest sword cannot cut itself".
Office of Information Technology  | "Look into the book of mirrors and find 
Georgia Institute of Technology   | all the knowledge you will ever need to  
Internet: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.edu| know". -    The Teacher              
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From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: APB: Dave Harvey
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:43:58 GMT


Gee, now that the tour is over, and LeMond dropped-out of the race, it's
suspiciously quiet on the Dave Harvey front. I thought FOR SURE that
he'd have some comments on the race. I guess even Dave has been stifled.
8-)

A while back someone posted a collection of some of his better postings.
Does anyone still have a copy of that?

MJ



--
Michael R. Johnston/System Administrator                mjohnsto@shearson.com  
  =-=-=  The official .signature of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. =-=-=

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From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:22:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.212938.8175@erg.sri.com> vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:
>In article <BrK4p0.L5u@well.sf.ca.us> yoo@well.sf.ca.us (Young-Kyu Yoo) writes:
>>>He [Barry Tompkins] also mispronounces European place-names and sometimes
>>>says "Tour de France" with an "a" sound like in the American pronunciation
>>>of "apple"
>>
>>Greg Lemond likewise 'mispronounces' "France."  And the French cycling
>>aficionados return the favor by calling Greg "lemon," as in the tart fruit.
>
>Given the fact that Lemond is of French origin (LeMonde), I would not be
>too critical of the French pronounciation of his name...

Actually, "LeMond" is Scottish.

John_Ampe@att.com
From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Tour de France:  translations from l'Equipe are done
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:14:01 GMT
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY

Thus spoke the keyboard of seales@taquilee.inria.fr (Brent Seales):
>I hope that you have found the summaries from l'Equipe interesting
>and fun.  I've enjoyed translating them for you, and I will miss the
>great coverage in l'Equipe when I am no longer able to find copies
>on the local newsstand;  I'll be leaving France on August 15 to
>return to the U.S.

Thank you very much! Just hope that someone will do the work next year.
...and now back to the bike again...

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From: dono@vesta.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: Suspension forks: Tange Shockblades or Answer Manitou?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:34:10 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <22566@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> jaime@tcville.HAC.COM (Jaime Villacorte) writes:
>
>
>	Has anyone had any first-hand experience with the Tange
>Shockblades suspension fork, and perhaps how they compare to the
>Answer Manitou suspension fork? 
>

I recently installed a pair of Shockblades on my bike and like them
a lot.  I've ridden with quite a few suspension forks and I finally
decided on the SB.  The Manitou was a close second though.   

The SB doesn't flex as much as the Manitou and it offers crisper
steering.  It is also much lighter (my pair ended up weighing about
2.5 lbs with the steerer cut down to 130mm).  The SB's travel is not
as plush as the Manitou but I'm installing a new pair of bumpers
soon.

If you want more info send me e-mail.  I posted an article like this 
about a month ago and I still have the replies.

-Don Olivas (dono@triton.unm.edu)

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From: dick@ncs.com
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Organization: National Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:41:03 GMT

>I am always surprised when Lemond pronounces the TdF as the
>Tour de Frants  also.  I figured since he is so conversant in
>French that he would say Tour de Frahnse.

Why is it unusual for an American (United Statesian?) speaking English
to use the American English pronunciation of a word?
-- 
Dick Anderson
Minneapolis
From: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (cool flowin gotta keep goin...)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Headset adjustment
Date: 25 Jul 92 20:36:42 GMT
Reply-To: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: UofA Hardware And Computing Knowledge Society
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4

In article <0095E0E0.41C651E0@FHYDRA.FYSEL.UNIT.NO>, dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes) writes...
>Thus spoke the keyboard of smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee):
>>In article <71189646411440@oxygen> stein@oxygen (S. Joshua Stein) writes:
>>>
>>> The best way to check for a loose headset is NOT to 'hold the front
>>> brake firmly and rock the bike back and forth'. This can be very
>>> misleading (many brakes have enough slack to give a false impression of
>>> headset looseness, which may cause one to overly tighten the headset
>>> and possibly damage it). 
>>
>>Not convinced.  I find it immensely trivial to tell the difference
>>between the spongy sort of play you get if your brakes have a bit of
>>slack (which, of course, may mean THEY want adjusted as well :-) and
>>the definitely 'clicky' sort of play you get if your headset is loose.
>>Of course, I did have lots of practice with a bike whose headset lock
>>nut refused to lock, so that it needed adjusting about every 100 miles.
> 
>This winter I was riding my MTB out in the snow with RockShox, and when it was
>cold outside there was a small amount of play in the fork (RockShox told me
>that it's because of different temperature coef. in the material used in the
>fork). First I thought it was my headset that was loose, so I tried to tight
>it, but still I got the feeling of a loose headset. I then over-tighten it so
>that all play should be gone (I did *not* ride with it!). But still there was
>a feeling of a loose headset.
> 
>So if you are using a suspension fork in the cold, beware that even if it
>feels like the headset is loose (ie. when rocking your bike with the front
>brake locked), it might be the fork and not the headset.
> 

   I have found that the best way to check for slop in the headset is to turn 
the bars at a 90 degree angle to the bike, and push fore and aft as described
earlier.  The motion is the same.  The 90-degree allows you to eliminate the 
slop in the brakes as a factor.  Try it.   Has anyone else used this method?
Everyone I know does it.


    Joel Brodsky    jbrodsky@hacks.arizona.edu
                    jbrodsky@seagull.tucson.az.us
                    jbrodsky@maria.wustl.edu
                    jmbrodsk@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: georged@meaddata.com (George Dibos)
Subject: Re: forced ride Denver->Granby
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:43:33 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <64660@hydra.gatech.EDU>, jr29@prism.gatech.EDU (ROSS,JOHN B) writes:
|> Early in August I'm going to a family reunion in Granby, Colorado.  The
|> main attraction for me, aside from being surrounded by screaming babies
|> for a solid week, is the chance to do some high altitude riding in the
|> Rockies.  Last week I found out that the vehicle that we will be renting
|> to drive from Denver to Granby will not be large enough to accomodate my
|> bike.  Rather than leave my bike at home, I'm considering riding it from
|> Stapleton airport to Granby after I land.  The distance looks to be
|> about 75 miles, but, as a flatlander, I'm wondering if this is a practical
|> idea.  Some of the passes along the way look to be around 10,000 feet.
|> 
|> If anyone can comment on my odds of success, I'd sure appreciate it.  Also
|> if anyone can clue me in as to what road riding would be like around
|> Granby it might help me decide the lengths to which I'll go to take my
|> bike.  Can I expect wall-to-wall Winnebagos piloted by retirees, or is
|> it possible to get some decent riding in ?  I'm an exalted CatV racer :),
|> and am in good condition.  
|> 
|> Thanks for any advice or comment you may have.
|> 
|> -John Ross
|> -- 
|> John B. Ross
|> Georgia Institute of Technology
|> jr29@prism.gatech.edu


Being a flatlander isn't the issue as much as altitude acclamation...
And sadly, your fitness level has very little to do with it.  Prolonged
low oxygen levels--before you get used to them, and even then there's
a limit--cause all sorts of systemic nastiness that makes you feel
horrible.  It's called "altitude sickness" for a reason...

I'd suggest that you ride as far/much as you can, but have some means 
of support checking on you the whole way, and there being some way you
can bail out if necessary. 

Hope it goes well for you.   
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From: caseb@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Mountain Biking in Cleveland
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:49:46 EST

Anyone know of a good place to ride offroad in Cleveland?  Preferably
the east side.
I know of some really good places to ride within an hour drive, but
I don't have time for that every day.

Anyone know how strict the rangers are in the various Metroparks,
and where the good trails are?  The North Chagrin park has a lot
of good trails, but the rangers are strict.  South Chagrin rangers
apparently don't mind offroad riding, but I havn't found extensive 
trails there.  The Rocky River parks have lots of singletrack, but
they are about a 45 minute drive from my house.
Anyone know about trails in the Bedford and Brecksville parks?
I've heard that the rangers are really strict in the Cuyahoga Valley
National Recreation Area.

Let me know if you know of a good place to ride in the east side.
I'll mail more specific information on the places I know about
to those who are interested.

Brian Case  
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From: wheelan@cs.mcgill.ca (Bill HEELAN)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:29:34 GMT

From article <Bs3swA.3G3@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, by srklump@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (elm):
[...]
> over the NCC. Anyone ever heard of bike path speed limits anywhere else
> on the planet?

    The Lachine Canal bike path in Montreal has a 20kph limit, but I have
	not seen it enforced.  I occasionally pass patrol-people on blue
	scooters while doing 10 to 15kph over the limit and have yet to be
	stopped.  Strict enforcement would seriously limit the path's utility,
	as it would take forever to travel between Montreal and Lachine.  As it
	is now, I can get from downtown to Pointe Claire (~30km) to visit my
	parents or my dentist more quickly using my bike than I can using the
	bus and metro (and with far less variance, timewise!).

                                                       - Bill
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From: ogg@physics.carleton.ca
Subject: Re: Ottawa cycle groups
Organization: Dept. of Physics/CRPP Carleton University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:13:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.141542.26993@dragon.acadiau.ca>, 880431j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stacy Janes) writes:
> Just want some info on the various bike groups in the
> Ottawa area.  How large, types of rides, organization?
> 
> 
> Stacy Janes       Bell-Northern Research,   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

By far the biggest is the Ottawa Bicycle Club.  About 1100 members.  There are
tours every Sunday morning (dep. Bilings Bridge at 9:00am.)  Usually there are
about 5-6 different groups at speeds from daisy picking to hammer and
everything in between.  Time trials most Thursday evenings at 6:00pm on the
Eastern Parkway (by Aviation Museum) and most Saturday mornings on either
Russell Rd. course or Gatineau Hills course.  Also many special events (weekend
rides, week long tours, racing, social etc.)   There's a club office on Booth
St. (near Scott.)  Just drop by or phone (number is in directory) to get more
info.

There are other clubs (e.g. Kanata & Nepean Cycling Club) and several advocacy
groups (e.g. Citizens for Safe Cycling.)

OBC is the best and most organised club I've ever been involved with.
Ottawa is one of the best places in N.America for organised cycling (just a
biased personal opinion of course)

Mike

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From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
Subject: Re: Mandatory Helmet law in Ontario in 18 months.
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:37:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.222114.1023@ccu.umanitoba.ca> ejohnso@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Eric Johnson) writes:
>In <1992Jul24.220157.28286@ccu.umanitoba.ca> feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
>
>>OK -- but what sort of evidence does the government offer to back the
>>suggestion that helmet wearing benefits adult riders?
>
>Are you kidding?  Look at the three accidents in Winnipeg in the last two weeks
>that have left two dead and one poor guy massively brain damaged. Although
>nothing much could have helped the last guy, who got run over by a 
>tractor/trailer, the other two might be alive/less seriously 
>injured had they been wearing helmets. Both suffered massive head injuries.
>Or my step brother, who wasn't wearing a helmet when he lost it in the rain,
>spent 3 months in a coma and is now brain injured.
>
>Anecdotal, yes, but still no less tragic. If a helmet could have given
>any one of them the least bit more of a  chance in their accidents, I say
>make 'em mandatory. 

Anecdotal, yes; which is to say, not very impressive evidence.  About
as good as saying (truely, in my case), yesterday I didn't crash,
whereas if I'd been wearing a hot and distracting helmet, I might
have.  It's not that I deny that helmets help, it's just that I'd like
stats that go beyond co-incidence.
-- 
Michael Feld                         | E-mail:  <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Dept. of Philosophy                  | FAX:     (204) 261-0021
University of Manitoba               | Voice:   (204) 474-9136
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada	                     
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From: scott@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (scott evans)
Subject: Re: Flash: Andy Hampsten Wins [Sunday] Stage & Greg Lemond QUITS TdF
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:06:34 PDT

In article <1992Jul20.131347.16971@gdt.bath.ac.uk> ccsdhd@gdt.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis) writes:
>In article <1992Jul19.233635.26831@news.Hawaii.Edu> indaleci@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Laurel Indalecio) writes:
>
>>Hampsten will go down int he record books as the first American ever
>>to win a TdF mountain stage.
>
Lemond won the Superbagneres (sp?) stage in 1986 to become the first
American to win a mountain road stage. Ironically, it was Hampsten who
had attacked on the climb when Hinault cracked and told his team to ride
(they had to toast Zimmerman). Near the top, Lemond bridged to Andy,
dropped him, and won the stage. The rest, as they say, is history.

Scott Evans
UCLA cycling
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bianchi Axis
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:42:51 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT

I just aquired a Bianchi Axis through a rather complex deal involving a
Nordic Track and some loose cash, and even though it's not a current item
in the Bianchi catalog I thought I'd say a few things about it as it is
a rather nice bike.
 
The Axis is somewhere between a hybrid, a MTB and a touring bike. The
frame is heavy-duty touring, and the tires are 700x35 with a classic
Cyclo-Cross pattern. Gruppo is SunTour XCD: 21 speeds and Bar-Con shifters.
Brakes are Dia-Compe cantilevers. Rims are Araya.
 
The handlebar is a sort of old-style tourist drop bar, with the drops
flaring out somewhat. Stem is more like a hybrid type, with a lot of rise.
It comes up at around a 45 degree angle. The fork ios a unicrown design,
wide enough for the tires supplied, but a tight squeeze for anything
bigger.
 
Bianchi used to market it as a sort of lightweight MTB, but I see it more
as a dirt-road special and heavily-loaded touring bike. It weighs more than
my road bikes, but a lot less than my Diamond Back Apex MTB. The riding
position with the stock stem is far too upright for my tastes, but that's
easily fixed.  I think it was dropped from the line because the hybrid
riders don't want drop bars. Pity, as the bars give much more comfort and
far more riding positions than do flat bars.
 
I've already made a few additions- a Blackburn rear carrier, a small
front fender and brackets for Vistalights. Next I'm going to change the
stem to something with a lower angle and more extension. I'll probably leave
the bear trap pedals for now. It'll be perfect for shopping, winter riding
and vising my friends who live 2 miles beyond where the paved roads end.
 
And the bottom line: My pal Barry got it with a group of bikes that came
from a store that went belly up. The original retail was around $650;
he had it tagged $525. I ended up paying around $400- actually, part cash
and part used Nordic Track. Not a bad deal.
 
There still may be some of these bikes floating around; I have the impression
they weren't big sellers. Worth looking for.
                            --mike
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:24:06 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul27.184007.14648@csi.uottawa.ca> mlantin@csi.uottawa.ca (Maria Lantin) writes:
>In article <g-lmw8d.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>>If bicycle paths are so safe, why is it that most of them
>>have a 15mph speed limit?
>
>Bicycle paths are not safe they are safer.  A lot of cyclists do not have the
>first clue about how to ride on a bike path.  There are a lot of accidents 
>on the bike paths each year which explains the speed limit.  Also pedestrians
>need to be protected from speeding bikes.

If the net will please excuse the posting of the whole message:

Maria, you have proven my point. Thge statistics I once saw showed that
person-miles on the street were many times safer than person-miles on
bicycle paths. Those speed limits reflect the _danger_ of bicycle paths.
>
>
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