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When the true victim of this crime showed up (that means the rightful 
card holder) I was given a look at the billing statement. This woman went 
joyriding with the card to different music stores, clothing stores (and I 
mean expensive clothing too) and auto body shops to get fancy extras for 
her car (the owner had already been to that shop so knew what she 
purchased there), having knowledge of this I doubt seriously that she was 
a poor victim of any system or just wanted to get gifts for a poor Kate 
fan. Call me a stoic but I don't think one's plight in life gives an 
excuse to victimize another whether it's the card holder, a store or 
Kate. If something's wrong then fix i, don't add to it which is what 
theft does. I also think you idealize Kate a bit too much. I could care 
less if she stole candy as a child but I have my reservations she would 
condone such behavior in adults, and on a much more pricey scale --- 
remember Kate herself has been a victim of burglarly. Have you ever been 
robbed in any manner? If you have try to recall that feeling of emptiness 
and hopelessness, not because you no longer have a material possession 
but because a violation had been committed against you. I know the risks 
of being in business, they're just like the risks involved in breathing, 
eating, sleeping...life is a risk. I will make a sweeping moral statement 
about stealing being bad; it's about time people took responsibility for 
their own actions instead of finding scape goats as to why they acted 
liek a child (taking candy?).
                    Kateness,
                           Jackie

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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:42:54 -0500
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
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In <9211091702.AA24958@hivnet.ubc.ca> Andrea@hivnet.ubc.ca writes:

>Hello!

>Gosh (!) it's been quiet lately!  Why don't we all reminisce?  What was the 
>first KaTe song everybody heard and how/where did they hear it?  Of course
>maybe you've all gone over this before, in which case someone think of
>something else.

>Andrea

Mine was "Love And Anger," oddly enough.  I saw the video on MTV and fell in
love.  I bought "The Sensual World" for that song alone and then kept on
buying albums.  Hooked, hooked beyond rescue.

Drewcifer
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:58:43 -0500
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
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Subject: Re: which maniac?
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In <00416.2803814578.23470@instance.com> toc@digitalk.com (Tim O'Connor) writes:

>REGARDING                which maniac?
>people:

>For some reason I woke up this morning with a strong urge to buy some 10,000
>Maniacs. So I put forth the never answerable question: With which album
>should I start? Just to keep Love-Hounds clean you might consider mailing to
>me directly instead of thru the list but whatever.

>obKaTe: All the recent sexual orientation vs. kate talk makes me even more
>glad that Measure 9 failed here in Oregon. The OCA intrudes into peoples
>private preferences too much to already to add Kate to the list!

>more obKate: Back in my much younger days I had also assumed most male
>KaTefen (tm) were attracted to her at least half because of her looks. Sure
>her singing on that Saturday Night Live eons past sent my brain reeling but
>seeing her slink around that piano sent a bullet straight to my gut!

>to'c

>--
>"A typical long haired half mad computer programmer on a typical computer
>keyboard with odd toys scattered liberally about."

DON'T start with the new album, Our Time In Eden...it really bites.  The
Wishing Chair is kind of folksy/indie, In My Tribe is poppy but well-made,
Blind Man's Zoo is alternative and dark.  I started with BMZ and then IMT,
and I would recommend either one highly.  The rerelease album, Hope Chest,
is also cool but I wouldn't start with it.  Get the Blue one or the Purple
one.  Let me know what you think!

To all who read this: drop the orientation thing.  It's irrelevant and
mighty offensive, especially to us bi's.

I almost never like an artist for looks.  You can't see Kate while you're
listening to her music.  Make no mistake, she's exquisite, but I'd be
insulted if I were accused of listening to her on the basis of sex.  Her
music is transcendent and that's the sum of it.

Drewcifer

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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:18:55 -0500
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Re the sexual preference of Kate's fans:

Now don't you just wonder what she meant by "Your son's coming out"? :^)

Fiona McQuarrie
fmcquarr@sfu.ca

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:34:10 -0500
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Andrea> Gosh (!) it's been quite lately! .... What was the first KaTe
Andrea> song everybody heard an how/where did they hear it?

Long long ago, in a land far far away...

I must have heard Wuthering Heights when it first came out. However,
the first KaTe song I remember hearing was Them Heavy People, I saw it
on Top Of The Pops. 

The first record was the single with Lord Of The Reedy River as the
B-side (sorry I forget the A-side). The first album was Lionheart: the
cover captivated me but the contents were, as a whole, disappointing.

The divine dementation started with Hounds Of Love but The Dreaming is my
favourite album (Suspended In Gaffa, favourite song).

I was very dissapointed when I found out that John Peel (BBC Radio 1's
leading edge music DJ) didn't like KaTe...


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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:39:31 -0500
From: kstauff@APG-9.APG.ARMY.MIL (Kimberly Stauffer AMSTE-LGS 4900)
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Andrea writes:
Gosh (!) it's been quite lately! .... What was the first KaTe
song everybody heard an how/where did they hear it?

Ok,
I was on south street in Philadelphia Pennsylvania (south street
is sort of like the Greenwich(?) Village of Philadelphia very
artsy) and we went into a new age music/book store and they
were playing Running up that hill.  I was mesmerized by that
song and so I bought Hounds of Love and since then it has been
a love affair with Kate and all of her songs/albums/videos.
That was probably in 1988??? When did Hounds... come out???

Some one else post and tell us of your first Kate Bush musical
experience.

Kim Stauffer
kstauff@apg-9.apg.army.mil
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:38:00 -0500
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
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Subject: Re: which maniac?, looks, sundays
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In <23813.9211111658@subnode.aiai.ed.ac.uk> jeff@aiai.edinburgh.ac.uk (Jeff Dalton) writes:

>> >For some reason I woke up this morning with a strong urge to buy some 10,000
>> >Maniacs. So I put forth the never answerable question: With which album
>> >should I start?

>> DON'T start with the new album, Our Time In Eden...it really bites.

>I don't know about _bites_, but don't start with it.

Well, bites is a strong word...but when only 1/3 of the album is really
worth listening to, I get pretty disappointed.  I love the Maniacs and I
wish they had made a different album...maybe it's Paul Fox's fault, maybe
not.

>> The Wishing Chair is kind of folksy/indie, In My Tribe is poppy but 
>> well-made, Blind Man's Zoo is alternative and dark.  I started with
>> BMZ and then IMT, and I would recommend either one highly.  The
>> rerelease album, Hope Chest, is also cool but I wouldn't start with it.

>I say: don't start with Blind Man's Zoo.  No, no, no.

Why not?  Blind Man's Zoo is coherent, well-made, lyrically excellent, dark
and lush...in a word, wonderful.  If I hadn't started with this album I
might not have listened to them at all...I think it's the best one they've
made.

>Start with The Wishing Chair or In My Tribe or Hope Chest or
>(if you can get it) Secrets of the I Ching (is that the right
>title?).  All of these are incredibly excellent play again and
>again and again items that everyone ought to have.

I think it might be difficult to get S of the IC, as to my knowledge it's no
longer being pressed.  Most of the music from it went onto Hope Chest.  And
I play BMZ again and again and again and it still sounds great.  What's your
problem with it?

Still, from the sound of your musical tastes maybe you'd be best off
starting with Hope Chest or In My Tribe--probably IMT.  Wishing Chair is
good but pretty simplistic as far as style and chords go...it's better left
to the experienced 10,000 Maniacs fan.

Drewcifer
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:43:15 -0500
From: kstauff@APG-9.APG.ARMY.MIL (Kimberly Stauffer AMSTE-LGS 4900)
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Fiona McQuarrie writes
>Re the sexual preference of Kate's fans:

>Now don't you just wonder what she meant by "Your son's coming
>out
[A[C[C[C[C"?
  
I have always wondered this.  Iremember when I first heard the
song I went to the lyrics to see what she was really saying.
Could son's be a typo as was Organon?
Well I am not sure what the Kate herself intended here but I feel
intuitively that it wasn't ment literaly as your son's comming
out - giving birth or comming out as when a homosexual  "comes
out".  But who knows.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:11:30 -0500
Subject: re: The silence is deafening!
From: scasterg@waltham.columbus.oh.us (Stuart Castergine)
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> demands. When I heard "go down ye red red roses..." I leaped out of my 
> skin, not just the chair...to think SHE, this stranger, knows that 
> whaling song. Well I offered my friend twice the amount she paid for the 

Can you offer a little expansion on that? I've never heard about the
whaling song. I'd like to know more!

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:04:33 -0500
From: Tom_Theel@imd.sterling.com (Tom Theel)
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Subject: Re: The Innocence Mission
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	<1992Nov5.182153.12068@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
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In article <1992Nov5.182153.12068@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> kirsten@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kirsten Starcher) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.202513.4183@novell.com> bbaker@na.novell.com writes:
>>
>>If you like some subset of the following artists...
>>
>>Kate Bush
>>Tori Amos
>>Sarah McLachlan
>>Jane Siberry
>>Cocteau Twins
>>10,000 Maniacs
>>'Til Tuesday
>>
>>
>>I would highly recommend checking out a group called
>>
>>   THE INNOCENCE MISSION
>>
>>if you can find their albums.
>>
>>The first debut album is very Tori-ish.  The second album sounds
>>like a cross between the 10,000 Maniacs and the Cocteau Twins, at least
>>to me.
>>
>>- Bako -
>
>Hmmm.  Interesting.  I got this album as a review copy for the student paper
>here, and didn't like it at ALL.  I couldn't understand a word the singer was
>saying.  All the songs sounded the same, and all but one or two seemed 
>practically tuneless.
>
>I'm a big fan of Tori, Sarah, Jane, and Kate, too.
>
>Any other opinions?
>

I thought that The Innocence Mission album UMBRELLA was fantastic.  It
is more like The Sundays or Cocteau Twins (Treasure) than Kate or Tori.
The lead singer sounds like Natalie Merchant on some of the songs,
drawing comparisons to 10,000 Maniacs.

It is worth a few listens to give this album a chance to grow on you.
I think that anyone who likes The Sundays will really like this album.

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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:36:41 -0500
Subject: New acts (not Kate related so skip if you want)
From: lionhart@netlink.cts.COM (Jackie Zucconi)
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Just to let people know, forgive me if this has been mentioned before, 
but there are two new acts out that Kate fans might like.
First, Zoe...kind of a more dance-able Kate/Tori sound...I liked it
Second, Daisy Chainsaw...one reviewer described the lead singer as Kate 
having an orgasm, personally I thought it was Kate having root canal but 
again they're just opinions. Daisy Chainsaw sounds like Kate cum Seattle 
Grunge rock. Interesting to say the least (there's that euphamism).
                     Kateness,
                           Lionheart

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:19:58 -0500
From: relph@presto.ig.com (John M. Relph)
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Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes remixing
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In the referenced article, vickie@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes) writes:
>
>>From: jondr@sco.COM (Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic)
>
>>so like i said, get me a tape of the vocal track and the finished mix for
>>reference.
>
>Doing it for fun from the CD is one thing, but asking for the vocal track
>is another. In all seriousness, if Happy wants extended remixes of her
>songs, she'll do it herself. Don't mean to sound snippy, but Angelos, 
>Jon Drukman (who I like even though he made Kate R**e) remixing Happy's
>music is *not*, IMHO, a wise idea. Count me in as an Ectophile who *would*
>like to hear PoJo remixed.....by Happy herself.

I think you missed the point of "Kate Rape".  Too bad you're legit,
Jon, you should do a "Happy Trance" tape!  Just sample some of her
sounds and build a new song.  This is great stuff!  This is brilliant!

But it would be nice if Happy gave her thumbs up to the project as
well.  Then DJ Jon could do it legitimately.  Although I'm willing to
bet most Ectophiles won't like it.

Yo!

	-- John
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:43:25 -0500
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From: toc@digitalk.com (Tim O'Connor)
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Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

REGARDING                which maniac?
people:

For some reason I woke up this morning with a strong urge to buy some 10,000
Maniacs. So I put forth the never answerable question: With which album
should I start? Just to keep Love-Hounds clean you might consider mailing to
me directly instead of thru the list but whatever.

obKaTe: All the recent sexual orientation vs. kate talk makes me even more
glad that Measure 9 failed here in Oregon. The OCA intrudes into peoples
private preferences too much to already to add Kate to the list!

more obKate: Back in my much younger days I had also assumed most male
KaTefen (tm) were attracted to her at least half because of her looks. Sure
her singing on that Saturday Night Live eons past sent my brain reeling but
seeing her slink around that piano sent a bullet straight to my gut!

to'c

--
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:56:42 -0500
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
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In article <9211052215.AA18946@hivnet.ubc.ca> Andrea wrote:

>On another issue:  I'll admit I'm probably a little over sensitive on this
>but I can't BELIEVE we are even discussing the relationship between a person's
>sexual preference and their love for Kate!  There is about as much a
>relationship there as there is between a person's sexual preference and food
>preferences!

Correlation does not imply causation.  An awful lot of folks have commented
that they agree with the seeming high percentage of gay/lesbian/bi KaTefans.
If we believe these admittedly unscientific observations, then there 
*is* a relationship between one's sexual preference and their 'love for KaTe'.
If that's good enough, I'd be happy to run an informal poll, though one of
the problems with such things is that there tends toward an under-reporting
of a homosexual population due to closetedness.

Besides, would you rather we discussed the relationship between sexual
preference and interest in the music of Tori Amos?  Or Happy Rhodes?  
(I know far more straight Tori fans than straight KaTefans, and I think I 
know more straight Happy fans as well).  This is *definitely* the place
for this topic, and a lot more in focus then some of the other things that
have been discussed lately to many others' dismay (certainly not mine; I've
found out about far too much interesting music from r.m.g to complain
when someone mentions yet another artist/band).

And finally:  how do you know there isn't a correlation between someone's
sexual orientation and the types of food they like.  On a purely speculative
note, isn't it at least conceivable that an openminded person is more likely
to try a wider variety of types of food?  And I'm biased to think that
gayfolk tend to be a bit more openminded than straight.  Not in every
case, but a lot.


>I should also hope that Kate fans are both attracted by and
>much more interested in her music than her admittedly fabulous looks. 

I can't imagine that any true KaTefan, gay or straight is more interested in 
her looks than her music.  But I don't see what this has to do with
the homosexual/heterosexual issue.  

>Okay, I've said my peace.

My, how pieceful.

Jeff

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|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:50:51 -0500
Subject: My "First Time"
From: rhill@netrun.cts.com (ronald hill)
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        Well, the bi-yearly "how did you get into Kate" question has 
come up!  Just the other day I actually found the receipt for the very 
first Kate Bush CD I ever bought - THE WHOLE STORY.  The date was Aug 
28, 1987.  I bought it during a trip to LA with a friend of mine.  I 
had just that CD for a year or two, and really loved it, though I 
didn't know anything about her or the songs.  Actually, I didn't even 
think she was particullary attractive at the time, since I've never 
really though she looked attractive in the album shots. 
        Eventually I started picking up more and more albums, but never 
got as heavy into them as I did THE WHOLE STORY.  I saw the "WHOLE 
STORY" book at a local place and picked it up.  This was really the 
first time I had read anything significant about her.  What really got 
to me was the description of THE NINTH WAVE.  I got so excited about it 
that I couldn't sleep and couldn't wait to go home (I was spending the 
night where I do  my volunteer work at).  I rushed out at like five in 
the morning and put it on, and I haven't been the same since.  :-) 

        For those who arn't handy with the calender, we're coming up on 
two years since the convention, later this week.  I'll probably post my 
(actually, mainly IED's) newly updated convention transcript, for those 
that haven't read it.  

        Thanks to Kimberly for the classical music info.  THanks to Uli 
for the "mop" info. 

        Oh, I talked to Andrew Marvick yesterday.  He was very excited 
about Homeground being on, though he still isn't sure when he would be 
able to get on.  He's still working on his school, though he's hoping 
that we'll all be getting together for an "album party" soon! 

        Laters.

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