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From: rfgy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
Subject: WILL drive VAN to CALIFORNIA!
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:11:51 EDT
Distribution: misc
Organization: Cornell University

		Will drve your VAN or small truck to 
California! Want to leave after Cornell U's graduation May 25th, and 
I will return vehicle in first week of June. 

Good, responsible driver with clean California driver's license. Grad 
student wants to move stuff home after 5 long years at college! 

Call Debbie (607) 277-5834 or respond via e-mail to:
	rfgy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
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From: jw26s46@tcedge.mi.org (Jim Waleke)
Newsgroups: misc.wanted,comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: WANTED: GeoProgrammer
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:25:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: tcedge.jw26s46.03ns
Distribution: usa
Organization: AmiNet Services

cdurrett@cup.portal.com (chuck m durrett) writes:
>I finally get around to ordering this thing and find it "discontinued".
>
>If anyone has a copy they want to sell please send some email.
>
>Chuck Durrett
>cdurrett@cup.portal.com
>                                                                              
I think you can still order it from RUN Magazines for 39.95.  Phone Number is
1-800-343-0728.
From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang)
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
Subject: WANTED: CAMERA EQUIPMENT
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:22:38 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


I AM LOOKING FOR USED CAMERA BODIES AND LENSES.

Contact Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu or call (603) 640 5896 any evening.
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
From: kfieldin@gollum (Kenneth H. Fielding)
Subject: wanted: Computer Vision by Ballard and Brown
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 13:51:13 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology


I am looking for a used copy of
Computer Vision by Ballard and Brown

If you are willing to sell a copy
please contact me at

kfieldin@galaxy.afit.af.mil
or
kfieldin@frodo.afit.af.mil
From: rocco@gator.rn.com (Rocco Calderone)
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
Subject: FOR SALE:  Zenith EGA monitor $50.00
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:22:28 GMT
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site


 For sale: Zenith EGA monitor.  Working great.  Model 1470
 -Rocco


--
Rocco Calderone
The Gator
219-289-0777/317-251-7391
internet: rocco@gator.rn.com
uucp: ..!uunet!nstar!rocco
From: don@hpwrce.HP.COM (Don Hay)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:21:43 GMT
Subject: Wanted...2 Drawer OAK filling cabinet.
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: misc.wanted


I am looking for a 2, or more, drawer oak filling cabinet.  Please Email. 
	 
	 Tnx............

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: carson@omicron.rice.edu (Jim Carson)
Subject: Re: ON OVER-SPECIFICATION OF SKILLS & EXPERIENCES
Followup-To: misc.jobs.misc
Reply-To: carson@rice.edu (Jim Carson)
Organization: Computer Toys 'R' Us
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:42:20 GMT

For the third time, guest13@acsu.buffalo.edu writes:
>           On Over-Specification of the Skills & Experiences
> [...]
>    IF SOMEBODY (a sw engineer, for instance) IS  BEATING
>    THE SAME DEAD DOG FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, then what benefit can be
>    derived out of such an experience?
So you're essentially saying the coyote should just give up trying
to catch the roadrunner?  :-)

-- 
Jim Carson (carson@rice.edu, uunet!rice.edu!carson, carson@cs.washington.edu)
        Caution: Objects on screen are closer than they appear
From: john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: What Happens When Your Company Closes?
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:39:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: newave.1416
Organization: NeWave Communications Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

There is a possibility that my primary employeer will soon
close (not NeWave--that's just where I post from).  Lets say
that this company has no assets (everything is on lease,
even things like laserprinter toner cartridges).  Lets 
further assume that they close because they cannot cover
the paychecks (ie, no cash in the bank) and they cannot cover
ongoing operating expenses.

If they do close, I assume that I will be left holding a
paycheck that I cannot cash, plus I will be owed for 6 weeks
of built-up vacation and travel expenses for the past two months
(currently about $3500).

Where does this leave the employees sitting?  Since the company
has nothing to liquidate (everything is on lease), there is
nothing for a bankruptcy court to sell off to generate any
cash.  Will the state or federal government step in and cover
the paychecks?  Are the owners personally responsible for
paying wages if the company cannot?  Will they also cover 
things like past travel expenses and earned vacation?

Has anyone been through anything like this in the past?  If
so, please let me learn from your experiences...

-john-

=============================================================================
John A. Weeks III               (612) 942-6969             john@newave.mn.org
NeWave Communications, Ltd.           ...uunet!umn-cs!kksys!tcnet!newave!john
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:3496 dc.general:749
From: cherry@access.digex.com (Cherry Poptart)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,dc.general
Subject: Re: Computer Systems Supervisor (Sys. Mgr., User Support, etc.), Reston, VA
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:27:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA

In article <1992Apr8.200830.1659@kopachuk.uucp> dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman) writes:
>In article <1914@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
>>A workspace without drug screening is a lot less safe than
>>one which does.  Some day a drug addict is going to cause kill
>>someone at work.  If it does happen it would be ironic if it was
>>someone who is against drug testing.
>
>Then riddle me this -
>If I go outside the territorial limit (harder to do with the Coast
>Guard and DEA playing pirate on the high seas) and smoke a joint,
>then come back in to work the next week, I will test positive to a
>drug test.  If I am forced to take the test, "fail" it by testing
>positive, and am fired, how does my former workplace suddenly become
>safer?

Hey, I was just in Amsterdam, and they have 
Hash houses there where you can smoke hash; 
try passing a piss test after THAT!!!  Even 
then, I havent broken any law whatsoever, 
so what is the employer going to do now?

>Also -
>If a person is so f***ed up on ANY intoxicant that they are risking
>the lives of their fellow employees, their poor performance should be
>obvious to their supervisor with or without testing.  Drug testing is
>a crutch for incompetent management. Any organization requiring testing
>should be avoided because advancement in that organization is not
>based on demonstrated competence or skill.
>

The reason that people want drug testing rather 
than competence testing is that they fear that 
the testing of the ability to do a job will cause
lots of them to lose theirs.  At least with the 
drug testing all the best graphics interface 
design hackers will lose their jobs, making more
openings for cobol geeks who only abuse the hell
out of alcohol...


>>Drug Addiction is a self-inflicted illness which drives up medical
>>costs and one which an employer should not be made to pay for.
>
>Being alive drives up medical costs.  Only dead people don't have
>medical costs. Drug addicts die sooner, thereby helping to bring down
>medical costs. :-)

Yes, the drugs that cost the most to the 
insurance companies are tobacco and booze.

We should get rid of them at once, and throw anyone
who is caught doing them out of a job and maybe 
even into jail.


Love YA!!!


Cherry
From: ted@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Ted Ying)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: entry level blues
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:08:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library

In article <1992Apr10.015655.21375@madnix.uucp> zaphod@madnix.uucp (Ron Bean) writes:
>kirk@tallis.enet.dec.com (Matthew B. Kirk) writes:
> 
>>2. What sorts of jobs have you had in the past?   For example, if all you've
>>   done is work at Burger King, then you're not going to get a potential
>>   employer's attention as much as someone who has two research papers
>>   published.  There are enough people out there that have real experience
>>   (with summer jobs, or paid research projects, or thesises), that many people
>>   don't even look at new grads who don't have it.
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>    So, what do you do if you *have* only worked at Burger King?
>Give up and go back to flipping burgers? This is not a flame;
>some of us end up in this situation and just have to deal with
>it, and I've never seen any really good advice on what to do
>about it *after* you graduate. I basically gave up (for now, at
>least) and took a job that was not related to my degree, but I'd
>be interested in hearing about other strategies.
> 
	Hmmm...when you are looking for jobs outside your field with an
	interest in getting back into to the field, you should keep an eye out
	for links.  For example, if you are a programmer or CS type, look for
	a job as a secretary in a computer shop.  Or try a temp secretary
	agency.  Clerical work typically involves use of computers these days
	and the key is to be able to show a good understanding/ability with
	the computers.  I've known a number of people who have used temp
	and full-time secretarial positions to their advantage to get into the
	computer industry.

	If you are an engineer of another sort, you should look for clerical
	work in a company that does work that you are interested in.  I know
	someone who wanted to get into the mechanical engineering and started
	working as a mail clerk in Westinghouse.  She moved up to a
	secretarial job and then an engineering assistant and by the time she
	completed a night school degree she applied and got a transfer into an
	engineering position in Westinghouse.

	There is nothing wrong with taking a job outside your degree in these
	times.  All employers understand that the market is too small and that
	there are many people who can't work in the field they want.  The key
	is to keep working yourself towards your ultimate goal in small
	increments if necessary.  If you've tried to get in right away and
	haven't made it...then try the long circuitous route to get there.
	I've seen it work for *MANY* people who just didn't give in and said
	they'd find a way into their field...and they did.

	Ted Ying			ted@welch.jhu.edu

#include <std.disclaimer.h>

	Tommy Thrush: "Captain Buffalo, I'm hungry, can we eat now?"
	Captain Buffalo: "Well, alright Tommy, how about here?  They
		have a special on Buffalo Wings."
	Tommy: "Can I get the Mud-pie?  It comes with a special Mudman
		action figure!"
	Captain Buffalo: "Hmmmm...."
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: bonney@esds.mdc.com (Greg Bonney)
Subject: Re: Drug testing by U.S. government contractors
Organization: Visual Simulation Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:54:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.185848.20190@igor.tamri.com> donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.012849.6297@sed.stel.com> jon@sed.stel.com (Jon Radel) writes:

You may miss out on a really good job if you rule out every company that does
drug testing.

I had to take a drug test, and it wasn't any big deal.  It's just a simple
urine sample.  It's not like a strip search; it's very discrete.

If you're afraid you can't pass the test, I guess that's another matter, but
otherwise I would suggest not limiting yourself just because of your high
principles.
From: 1705hen@cbacc.cba.uga.edu (HENEGAR  MARC)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Airline engineering positions?
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:37:50 GMT
Organization: Terry College of Business, University of Georgia

In article <69873@ut-emx.uucp> marty@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (marty) writes:

Do you know of anyone working in a technical position at an airline?
>If so, doing what?

>Also I am interested in programming positions.  There must be lots of
>these positions due to airline's having extensive computer systems.

>
Marty:
No, I don't know anyone working in a technical position at an airline, but...
I would suggest getting the phone numbers for all the airlines, then calling 
them and either 
	(a)	going through Personnel (it's not always useless)
		and asking what the quals & procedures are.  -OR-
	(b)	calling and asking for the department you are interested in 
		and talking to someone within that department and ask them 
		what they think you should do.  If you impress them as being
		intelligent and personable they will probably help you.
	
American hires from UT a fair amount.  I would recommend Southwest, I have 
talked to them and they try to be genuinely helpful.  You can get phone 
numbers for all the airlines out of the Official Airline Guide (OAG) in the 
library.  It gives you the corporate phones and addresses so you can talk to 
real people.

Good Luck, 

MARC
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: 'Official' RFD issued
Keywords: Comments? Discussion?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:23:44 GMT

root@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:

>A Request for discussion was issued today according to policy. It seeks
>the creation of:

Uh, not quite.  You're supposed to crosspost to
news.announce.newgroups, who will validate it, post it, and start the
clock ticking down to CFV.

I got hit by this too...
-- 
My wife says if I go fishing one more time she's going to leave me.
Gosh, I'm going to miss her.
From: moroni@cbnewse.cb.att.com (alfredo.c.issa)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: The best companies to work for in CS
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:21:19 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <92099.162554PDLBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>, by <PDLBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>:
> What would be the best companies to work for in CS beside the traditional
> IBM, Microsoft, DEC ...? I'm interested in the 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  What makes you think these companies are 
  good to work for? :-)

> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Peter.

Al Issa
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: 097759@hyperion.lanl.gov (David Koon D417/5-0499)
Subject: headhunter search in Portland
Reply-To: 097759@hyperion.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:32:12 GMT

Does anyone know of good headhunters in the Portland Oregon area?
My wife will need to find a job there in the next few months.  Her
experience is in the VMS/MVS operations management arena
IE decnet, TCP/IP, Novell, system management and various other
such skills.

Also, I had Chetan Shah's address and e-mail address but have
subsequently lost them.

Thanks,

Dave Koon
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From: rekna@megatest.UUCP (Randy Bias)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs,misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered,ba.jobs.offered
Subject: Systems Administration Manager, San Jose CA -- [Recruiter]
Keywords: systems administration manager UNIX networking
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:16:15 GMT
Organization: Megatest Corporation, San Jose, Ca


Hi, this is posted for some friends of mine and Robbins and Scott and
recruiting agency.  Please respond to them and not to me.


	A terrific job opportunity for a Systems Administrator Manager in
	progressive OCR company.  Must have at least 5 years experience with
	Appletalk, Novell Net, and Gaterbox gateways.  Sun networking experience
	is also desired.  50% hands-on work, 50% management (budgeting, planning,
	define upgrades, etc.).  Excellent benefits package!  For more information
	call Vinesa Blackwell at Robbins & Scott, Inc.

	Phone:  (415)289-7300
	Fax:    (415)289-7309
	E-mail: mmm@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: sukumar@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Suresh Kumar)
Subject: Hewlett Packard response time???
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 08:57:44 -0500

Hi folks :

    I had a interview with HP (california division) about 40days back
and I got a letter from them stating that my interviewer as
recommended my name for further consideration and also the letter
stated that I will receive a mailgram or call from one or more
locations for a site visit. But, still now almost 30days gone after I
received the above letter, i have yet to hear from them.

    My interviewer is a very nice guy and I am corresponding with him 
through email. His response was always encouraging and asking me to
wait for sometime as they are still working on my application.

    By the way, the above job is entry level software engineer
position. Also, when I had the interview, the interviewer said that
"it's good news, that HP is hiring college graduates".

    I am in kind of delicate situation as I might have a job offer
from a small company in Chicago suburbs. Though, I like the job, but
still interested with Hewlett Packard. 

    Since, the job situation is pretty bad out there, I don't want to
reject any job offers. So, I will appreciate if any netters had a same
situation and will like to advice me on the above issue.

thanks 
suresh (sukumar@cs.indiana.edu)
 

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: m21757@mitre.org (G)
Subject: Re: Salary Verification?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:49:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.191834.12713@rsd0.rsd.dl.nec.com> 
randy@rss.dl.nec.com (Randy) writes:
> Does the potential employer have any real right to this information?
> Obviously the potential employer has the upper hand if the guy really
> wants the job.  If the employer really wants the guy and he has stated
> his salary requirements, should the potential employer not simply 
> decide whether the individual is worth the requested salary and make
> an offer that is appropriate?  I mean is a candidate not worth a
> certain salary figure to the potential employer regardless of what
> he has made in the past.  If the guy was severely underpaid in past
> jobs, is it fair that that be reflected in a new offer?  Is the
> candidate in the right if he refuses to provide the information or
> does he just look like he has lied about his previous salary history?
> 
> I welcome your replies, either posted or mailed.


What about providing no salary history at all?

When you fill out an application it seems you are required to tell them 
what you are/were making.  So maybe the employer should immediately tell 
you how much they pay other people for that same type of job, or a salary 
range.  After all they get this type of information right in the beginning.
If employers don't provide this information, then maybe neither should the prospective employee.

I will admit that this might not go over too well...but then again....

Has anyone tried this?


G



Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,dc.general
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Computer Systems Supervisor (Sys. Mgr., User Support, etc.), Reston, VA
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, San Francisco
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 23:41:38 GMT

In article <1914@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
>> If so, I'd like to suggest that a line concerning drug-screening be
>> mandatory, so I know which positions to AVOID considering.  I don't
>> want to work someplace that is incapable of trusting prospective
>> employees...
>
>I would also like to have that line on places which DON'T screen
>their workers for drugs.
>
>A workspace without drug screening is a lot less safe than
>one which does.  Some day a drug addict is going to cause kill
>someone at work.  If it does happen it would be ironic if it was
>someone who is against drug testing.

No offense, Glenn, but that's ridiculous.  Aside from airline pilots and
other professions where the employee has others' lives in his hands,
a workplace without drug screening is not "a lot less safe" than a place
with drug screening.  What basis for that claim could you possibly have,
aside from "War on Drugs" propaganda?

>Drug Addiction is a self-inflicted illness which drives up medical
>costs and one which an employer should not be made to pay for.

You're right that drug addiction is a self-inflicted illness, for the
most part, but that's no reason to harass the majority of employees who
do NOT use drugs.  Not to mention the fact that the drugs that do the
most damage in our society (alcohol, tobacco) are legal.

As for the "medical costs" argument, I'm tired of having the government
use that as an excuse for crap such as forcing employers to test for
drugs, helmet laws, etc.

>This my opinion, there are enough opinions for everyone to have their own.

Same here, bucko!

   don
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Subject: Re: recession-what recession????
Keywords: developers,jobs
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, San Francisco
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 00:36:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.160022.13819@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu>
ted@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Ted Ying) writes:
>>Mind you, the job market's much worse now, than it was in 1982.  I don't
>>resent the wasted months and effort anymore but I don't feel that it was
>>a "character-building" period either.  It was a waste.  And if companies
>>would give new graduates a chance to work, even for really shitty pay,
>>I sincerely feel that everybody would be much better off.
>>
>	Unfortunately, companies are not in it for the altruistic "greater
>	good".  They are in it for the near and long term benefits and since
>	that sort of greater good will only work in the long run *IF* many
>	companies initiate it, no one company is willing to start.

My point was that the situation I described (giving entry level programmers
a job with low pay) would be cost effective for the company too.  At least,
it appears that way to me.

    don
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From: root@maspar.ch (Bruno Pape)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: recession-what recession????
Keywords: developers,jobs
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:05:40 GMT
Reply-To: root@maspar.ch (Bruno Pape)
Organization: MasPar Distributor AG, Zurich, Switzerland

In article <1992Apr9.190513.23972@igor.tamri.com> donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:
>
>I haven't heard anyone asking for a prestigious entry-level job;
>

Well then, I guess I haven't been asking loud enough then, have I?

I'll take a prestigious entry-level job, aw hell, I'd even take a
prestigious senior-level job!  Well that is if prestigious means
a company limo, a couple of fine young phillies, and company paid
membership in at least 3 exclusive country clubs, etc.

Yea, that's all I'm asking for.

But all I can find are these bloody computer jobs.  How's a guy to
have any fun at all these days.

Bruno