HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: u9254900@cc.uow.edu.au (Daniel David Pearse)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Surf Rituals
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:04:24 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

Hi all,
	I was reading some of the OLD articles in this newsgroup and came
upon the surf ritual one(Nige,yeah,that's hueys rule,after a beer night
there is ALWAYS surf in the morning.).That reminded me of a surfcamp I
once went on(screen should start to go wavy as images come to mind)........
	It had been blowing Westerly for the last 3 days.50 Knots of
offshore wind had made the surf,in one word, allfuckedup.To relieve the 
boredom we tried fishing using primitive materials,putting up tents,
running after the only two girls around the campsite and listening to
music.At night we drowned our sorrows in cheap bottles of port *spit* and
harrassed the local towns folk.
	One night we decided to check out the surf.The park had a real
neat lookout set up overlooking the surf,it was pretty majestic.It was
built on a dune system and was surrounded by those spikey bushes,trees and 
had a pathway running straight down to the beach.In a \drunken state,we 
ambled up there.
	We could just hear the surf.It sounded small.One of mates climbed
on the railing around the lookout.Pissed as,I was not that worried about
his safety,but almost gagged when I saw him dive over the edge.
	The lookout is not that high,but to land in all those spikey
plants and to embedded with a branch is not exactly what you call safe
Bunji jumping.We all watched him roll down the hill,rolling through
the spikey bushes,past the big bush,hitting branches and crash landing
at the bottom.Being pissed idiots,the crowd gave a hoot of satisfaction
and before you could say BROKENNECKTIME,people had thrown their port
away and lined up to jump over the edge.
	Yes,I did jump.Went THROUGH the big bush and rolled all the
way to the bottom.
NEXT MORNING:   SURF REPORT
	Local reef was totally going off!5-6 ft of glassy surf!
Problem was every body was too scratched/sore/broken to surf and
go off

Well,     Bye now...
Dan Pearse
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Sri Lanka, again
From: squier@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu (Richard Squier)
Date: 7 Nov 92 12:43:10 -0500
Followup-To: alt.surfing
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University, Washington DC

I didn't get any answers last time, so
here goes again.

Anybody have information on surf in
Sri Lanka?  Time of year, spots,...

	thanks.
		Richard Squier
		squier@cs.georgetown.edu


Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: "jp krivas" <jp.krivas@canrem.com>
Subject: sri lanka, again
Reply-To: "jp krivas" <jp.krivas@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:23:25 EST


squier@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu (Richard Squier) writes:

-> I didn't get any answers last time, so here goes again.
->
-> Anybody have information on surf in Sri Lanka? Time of year,
-> spots,...
->
->         thanks.
->                 Richard Squier
->                 squier@cs.georgetown.edu


You might want to try getting a _Surf Report_ for Sri Lanka (4#10).

It is essentially an updated back issue of the newsletter.  Six bucks.

The Surf Report
P.O. Box 1028
Dana Point, CA
92629

714-496-5922  (voice)
714-496-7849  (fax)

Cheers,

JP

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From: baron@Hawaii.Edu (Baron K. Fujimoto)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: SHARK ATTACK: Leeward Oahu, Hawaii.
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:42:10 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Oops, minor correction:  the attack occured at Keaau beach, not Kehau,
sorry...

This shark hunt lasted two days, and I think about four tigers were caught,
although one large eighteen footer was seen circling the boat but they were
unable to land that one.  I think the rationale behind these limited shark
hunts is that these sharks are territorial, and if the hunt is instituted
soon after the attack, there is supposedly a higher chance of nabbing the
animal responsible.  There has been some discussion recently of
reinstituting a shark eradication program.

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From: airey@woof.asd.sgi.com (John Airey)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: How about Whales? (attacks on people)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 17:25:19 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: woof.asd.sgi.com


In article <1992Nov6.060322.7974@cc.uow.edu.au>, g9024557@cc.uow.edu.au writes:
> ludwig@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Ludwig Omachen) writes:
> [.. text deleted ..]
> Apparently there are very few recorded orca attacks on humans: 
> (I may stand to be corrected here: it is just something out of my dim memory)

  A friend of mine from a long time surfing S.C. family says
  that a friend of hers was bitten by an orca while
  kneeboarding off Big Sur. The teeth make nice round holes, so it's pretty
  easy to identify. It bit him, and let go pretty quickly.

> [.. text deleted ..]
> 
> Jim
> 
> P.S. Off to Bendalong this Weekend. Boy am I stoked:
> after an eternity of wavelessness a good swell is happening and should
> be happening on Bendalong point or Green Island !

  There is supposed to be a northwest swell this weekend here. I *was*
  thinking of going to Big Sur, since low tide occurs in the middle of
  the day, so crowds will be horrendous in town, but the recollection
  of attacks gives me pause.

Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: kamei@pilikia.pegasus.com (Paul Kamei)
Subject: Surf Report in Hawaii
Organization: Pilikia, Honolulu
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 07:20:14 GMT

I noticed that most of the posts to this news group are from Au.  Where are
the Hawaiian posters?  I know there has to be some out there.  Anyway just
thought I'd post the surf report for those who aren't here in Hawaii, maybe
bring back some good memories for those who've been here.
 High surf warning for North and West shores 10-15 ft. with occasionally
higher sets through Saturday.  All other shore 3 ft or less.  Don't know the
wind conditions but wasn't very windy today maybe 5-10 mph trades.
 BTW I not a surfer but a body boarder, and will be hitting the beach tomorrow
Also as a footnote there was a fatal shark attack on a body boarder yesterday
on the West shores (near Keaau Beach) so the beaches from Makaha to Makua
were all closed today, don't know ithey will be open tomorrow. Seems to
be getting more common lately (shark attacks that is).
Aloha for now.


-- 
Kaz Chambers Honolulu, Hi.	| I have only an office here, and no opinion"
(this is my boss' account)	|  			   Johann von Schiller
From: p-kun@blacklabel.Japan.Sun.COM (Kevin Parrington - Nihon Sun Logistics)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: October's Stats
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:29:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: blacklabel.japan.sun.com

In article <9211092359.AA25835@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil> danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark) writes:

{..Danny's stat's cut...}  

	Well, this is two fold.  First, I want to up alt.surfing
	in the ratings for next month.  Second, I think it's the
	quality, not the quantity of postings that alt.surfing
	is known for....

	Since Danny's first stat report I looked into alt.butt.harp
	because I wanted to know just what the f*&k alt.butt.harp
	was.  Well, it was lame.  Danny, can't you compare us to
	a cooler newsgroup ??

kp
From: ludwig@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Ludwig Omachen)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: SHARK ATTACK: Leeward Oahu, Hawaii.
Date: 13 Nov 1992 04:02:41 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: aragorn.cm.deakin.oz.au

In article <1dm5ekINN9mn@male.EBay.Sun.COM> kevinl@beach.EBay.Sun.COM writes:

Lines deleted....

>What do
>you guys down under do when the men in grey suits start snacking on your mates?
>Surely there are similar experiences to what Hawaii is experiencing.
>
>Aloha,
>Kevin Kimo Laughlin

Wait till the blood clears and then hit the water again, seriously !,
at the last shark attack at Pt.Lonsdale, about a 45 min drive  from
Bells, the crew were back in the water later in the afternoon on the
same day.

I guess its a bit like lightning never striking the same place twice,
well, not in one day anyhow :-).

Cheer's, keep surfing,
Lud.

PS, nothing much to report from Bells, what with summer on the way, and
wave size and quality inversely proportional to temperature :-(.
From: slgsn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Winter surf-CA
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:37:25 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Hi. I live in Utah right now. I am originally from California-here for school
only. I would like to have someone mail me a surf report before I come home for
Christmas. If you would be so kind as to leave me one I'd really appreciate it.
Thanx.
-Dave
(...it's always more fun in the winter-time...)
%!!$C
From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Puerto Rican Surf
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:55:19 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <kf037F600iV2Q5vIZ2@andrew.cmu.edu>, Javier Soltero <jsck+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>  Anybody out there ever surf the beaches at Puerto Rico. Personally I

I visited PR with a surfer buddy about 2 years ago.  The west side of the
island had a mixture of decent waves (single over head) and flat water.
Rincon is a good cheap place to stay (call the Rincon Surf and Board for the
ultimate in lowlife housing).  Lets see, the beaches:  Maria's (look for the
Dome), Crashboat...  

I've also visited Malibu and Monterey California.  The CA waves were much
larger and more powerful than the PR waves.  Still, the PR weather is warm
in the winter and the water is just right temp-wise (well, for me anyway).

As for the food, I was expecting rice, beans, tacos, burritos, etc.  Heck
no, these people live on greasy sandwiches and french fries!  I love those
Cuban sandwiches (and the fried conch at the Black Parrot in Rincon)!!
-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu
From: creutz@cco.caltech.edu (Michael John Creutz)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Puerto Rican Surf
Summary: it was great when I went last January
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:01:32 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu


Last January on the spur of the moment we went to 
Puerto Rico and drove around the Island.  We missed
the well known spots at Rincon, but the north side
of the island had great surf all along it.  The 
Parador Guajataca is on a fantasticly beautiful beach
and had great 5 ft. (vertical from trough to crest)
waves.  

Puerto Rican food is rather bland compared to
Mexican, but I liked the tostones.  Everyone
speaks English so it is no problem if you don't
speak Spanish.
Mike
From: p-kun@blacklabel.Japan.Sun.COM (Kevin Parrington - Nihon Sun Logistics)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Virginia Beach Report
Date: 9 Nov 92 04:03:51 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: blacklabel.japan.sun.com

In article <9211060440.AA08119@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil> danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark) writes:
>
>(I'm using a laptop in my hotel room thats connected to my Sun system
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^					
back at work to post this)


	Thank you Danny...

kp
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark)
Organization: NSWSES Code 4g13 - Opinions: None
Subject: October's Stats
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:59:00 -0800
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Well, it's time for your surf stats again.  Alt.surfing fell again for
the 3rd month in a row.  We fell from 1218 in Sept. to 1308 for 
the month of Oct.  This is out of the 1600 most read Usenet groups.
But, when we just compare alt.surfing to itself (and forget alt.butt.harp)
we see that the number of posts increased from 185 in Sept to
236 in Oct.  Still, only .04% of all news readers read alt.surfing.

Danny


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Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: phlally@vax1.tcd.ie
Subject: <None>
Organization: Trinity College Dublin
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:30:41 GMT
From: cs65xfh@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (John Tozer)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Board Size Advice
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:19:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


    I'm looking for advice buying a short board and a long board to
replace my current intermediate size.

    I have an 8'3" long, 23" wide, heavy, old board!  I've
found this size not long enough to be a true longboard (esp. at my
weight 190 lbs), but big enough to be difficult to get out in as the
winter swell gets bigger.
    I want to replace it with a long board for the small summer swell
and a short board for the bigger winter stuff.
  Here's my problem:
    I am 6'4" and 190 lbs.  I've surfed a buddy's 6'6" , but
the whole board was underwater when I lay on it and I couldn't get
it to plane.  I've never tried a longer board than mine, and am
worried that a long board for someone who is average height/weight
will not be long enough for me.
    I would appreciate any advice on how short and how long I should go
considering my height/weight. 
                        -thanks
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark)
Organization: NSWSES Code 4g13 - Opinions: None
Subject: Virginia Beach Report
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:40:33 -0800
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Well, work has taken me to the East coast for the past few days. I was in
Washington DC on Tue (election day), and Va Beach Yesterday through Fri.
No surf in DC (Do you surf the mall pool Derek?) This morning from my
hotel room (6th floor, right on the beach) I watch a guy surfing just
south of the Hotel. (6th steet, by the jetty).  The water looked muddy.
like it does in Oxnard after they dredg the harbor.

(I'm using a laptop in my hotel room thats connected to my Sun system
back at work to post this)

Danny

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From: tcritchl@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tod Critchlow)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Swims-With-Dolphins
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:51:03 GMT

Hey Danny did you see that post about
swimming with dolphins having medicinal
benefits?

Is that why you were chasing them?

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________
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Univ of Calif, San Diego              |  Signature anyways??
Scripps Institution of Oceanography   |
From: njtravis@ux5.lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Surfing and Driving
Date: 5 Nov 1992 21:03:33 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: world
Reply-To: njtravis@lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.116

I lost my mind as I was driving home
and it occurred to me that riding a motorcycle is
very much like surfing. 
My husband announced the other day
that he had just had a tube ride between 
two semitrucks and as he popped out the end, the truck drivers
cheered him. He may have misintrepreted their gestures...

The analogy is a little loose, but

1) people are always dropping in when you least expect it
2) speed creates stability (up to the point of a high speed wobble)
3) steering occurs through body english
4) its better to bail than crash
5) gives your hairdo that wild grungy effect

I need a vacation soon...

=B-)  
yes, my hair looks like that, 
except I can't get the two-tone effect on the computer.
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: sab@radcode.uucp (Stefan Aberg)
Subject: Re: Wave Forecast
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:25:16 GMT
Organization: RadCode Ky


In article <27415@dog.ee.lbl.gov> njtravis@ux5.lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis) writes:

>   Can anyone give me a clue to determining the location of these buoys?
>   I don't want to buy a nautical map and my road maps don't show
>   latitude and longitude. (These are on the North Coast around S.F.)
>   It looks like some cool waves are happening on the SF peninsula and
>   I'd like to save some gas! P.S. Whoever posted this info about the
>   downwind.sprl.umich.edu weather service (Danny?) it is great!
>   Thanks to John Airey for interpreting the data seconds for me. 
>   Everything over 13 seconds....hmmm the whole coast looks ridable
>   from this. Why am I working???

I must have missed the post on how to use this service, can you repost the info?
I used the following info to figure out about where the buoys are. It's from a file
explaining how to make a uucp map entry. 

# #P	573 Evans Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720
# #L	37 52 29 N / 122 13 44 W

# If you know where you are
# relative to a given coordinate for which you have longitude and
# latitude data, then the following fudge factors can be useful:
# 
# 1 degree	=	69.2 miles	=	111 kilometers
# 1 minute	=	1.15 miles	=	1.86 kilometers
# 1 second	=	102 feet	=	30.9 meters
#
# For LONGITUDE, multiply the above numbers by the cosine of your
# latitude.  For instance, at latitude 35 degrees, a degree of longitude
# is 69.2*0.819 = 56.7 miles; at latitude 40 degrees, it is 69.2*0.766 =
# 53.0 miles.  If you don't see why the measure of longitude depends on
# your latitude, just think of a globe, with all those N-S meridians of
# longitude converging on the poles.  You don't do this cosine
# multiplication for LATITUDE.
-- 

Stefan Aberg          radcode!sab@uunet.uu.net
2435 Grant St #5
Berkeley CA 94703
From: mansfike@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Keith E Mansfield)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: October's Stats
Date: 12 Nov 1992 04:57:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: mansfike@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Keith E Mansfield)
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-21.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

What the heck is the deal with these Stats?  Who cares what place  
alt.surfing is  in when compared to other Usenet groups.  I Can't believe  
you would even post something like this.  Worst of all there are now three   
responses to this including mine.  I don't get a chance to 'graze' much  
and I get kind of ticked off when I have to sift through the crap to get  
to the real postings.  Let's go back to the old days when every posting   
in alt.surfing was a good quality posting.  Let's only post topics related  
to surfing without clutter postings.  Let's get to the core of surfing.   
This of course goes for me too.  Sorry bro, nothing personal, just an  
inspirational moment.

The silent reader

-keith
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: esi001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Rip Tide)
Subject: MATT in NEWCASTLE.UK
Followup-To: esi001@uk.ac.cov.cck
Summary: lost user.I.D
Organization: COVENTRY UNIVERSITY , Coventry , UK.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:24:57 GMT

Sorry Matt,
	I got your note but I've lost the header so don't know your address , 
mail me back with it and I'll get back to you. Stick your E-mail address on
the end of the letters then it won't go astray when files are saved out of
mail.

						Rich.     esi001@uk.ac.cov.cck


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From: paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: Question on finding couples
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:13:24 GMT
Reply-To: paradis@sousa.enet.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>I have a question about etiquette for couples finding couples.  My SO and I
>were at a club dancing on Friday night and there was another couple there 
>who we both found very attractive.  Despite our subtle efforts to get our
>message across, they either weren't interested or didn't notice.  Is there
>a polite, sexy, not overtly blatent way of indicating interest in such a poly
>situation that anyone has had success with?

Well, this is exactly analagous to singles meeting singles, no?  Try this
on for size:

	I have a question about etiquette for singles finding singles.
	I was at a club dancing on Friday night and there was another
	person that who I found very attractive.  Despite my subtle 
	efforts to get my message across, s/he either wasn't interested
	or didn't notice.  Is there a polite, sexy, not overly blatent
	way of indicating interest that anyone has had success with?

The answer, I think depends on what you want.  If all you want is a
one-night stand and you don't care what happens after that, then a
straightforward "would you like to come home and fuck like wild bunnies"
is in order.  If they're so inclined, they'll accept.  If not, they'll
(literally or figuratively) slap you across the face and never speak
to you again.  Either way you know exactly where you stand.

If, on the other hand, you're interested in building up a *relationship*,
then this is quite a different matter.  And the approach to use is similar
to that used in a singles situation: get together a lot in non-sexual
contexts, get to know each other, become friends first, and see what
happens.

One advantage that couples have in this kind of situation is that it's
a lot less charged.  Couples think nothing of inviting other couples
over for dinner or to an outing or whatnot.  Unlike the singles situation,
there's no presumption (or fear!) that anyone is going to try to put any
moves on.  Of course, this means you have to be subtle when you *do* put
the moves on, but it can be done.  You'd best do a lot of shooting the
breeze first, though to gauge whether they're poly or not and whether
they're interested in *you*.

I sound like such an expert, aren't I?  Sigh... far from it.  I did
pass Poly 101, but I'm still struggling to get my degree 8-) 8-) 8-)

--
Jim Paradis (paradis@tallis.enet.dec.com) 
Working for DEC, speaking for myself.
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory,alt.romance,soc.singles,alt.sex
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: raising children
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:39:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.212844.11226@umr.edu> Lubosh writes:

>In most countries adoption by homosexual couples is not allowed, so I
>don't think there can be enough material to study so far. My personal
>opinion is that this would be even worse than a single parent situation.

   "In your opinion" is a very important statement, Lubosh, because it
demonstrates a lack of research and education on your part.  Seeing as
I know several same-sex couples with children, my observation as an
outsider is that these children are better cared for than their more
traditional peers, more loved and better educated.

         Elf !!!
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