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From: v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Countdown to extinction (for Miami)
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:14:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BxIGEI.LIu@acsu.buffalo.edu>, kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes...
>In article <1992Nov10.093357@IASTATE.EDU> rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner) writes:
>>In article <BxI5y5.EEI@acsu.buffalo.edu>, kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
>>writes:
>>> Only 6 days until the big AFC East game Monday night. It's countdown to
>>> extinction from the division title for the fish. Oh, wait a minute. The
>>> Fins are good now. They beat the Dolts. Whoa! Stand back.
>>> Don't worry Miami, there's always next year.
>>
>>If your'e so confident that Miami is so terrible then why
>>do you characterize the game as being "big".  Anyway no matter
>>what the outcome of the game is, there will still be 6 games to go.
>>R Turner
> 
>The game is big because who ever wins it will more than likely win the
>division title. One more thing, Miami is not so terrible, just over rated.
> 
Well let's look at the facts going into Monday Night's game
1. Dolphins and Bills have the best record in AFC at 7-2(and their from what
   people say is a weak division)

2. It's on Monday Night. Dolphins have the second best Monday night record.

3. It's in Miami. Crowd will make it tough for the Bills being such a Big game.

4. Miami has already gone to Buffalo and crushed the Bills 37-10. Winning at 
   home should be easier.

5. Kelly's favorite reciever will play: Louis Oliver

6. Offerdahl will play!!!!!

I just hope that the Bills don't miss their plane!!! :) 
    _____________________________________________________________________
   |   Miami Dolphins and Hurricanes:        * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    |
   |   Two of the Best teams in Football!    * V130pwbq @ubvms           |
   |_____________________________________________________________________|
From: cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Saints smash Patriots
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:15:48 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu


Saints 31-14.

Had to listen to the game on AM radio since the game 
was blacked out.

Even the Springfield channel was blacked out! 

Anyway, the game was sickening.

(for Pats fans).


What the hell. Something has to be done about the fumbling.
Any player who fumbles should be sat down for a game. this is 
ridiculous.

Pentalties. arg. Same deal every drive stalling penalty should consistute
a one game sit-out for that player. These guys are suposed to be
professionals. 

Sacks. this is probably the worst. perhaps positive reinforcement might
work better in this situation. (give an award for outstanding work
on the offensive line each week). I dunno.

All I know it that I have never heard a worse offensive performance
by an NFL team.

89 total yards?!?!?!?!

1 offensive TD in two games, and only because the Saints fumbled on their
own 8?

Now the second string QB is out with a hand injury?!

When it rains it pours.
From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Neil Anderson & Other Benched for Bears ?
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:23:44 GMT
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Originator: rja@mahogany126


In article <BxL61A.xq@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, blanchar@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Blanchard) writes:
>   Well, today they announced some changes for the Bears:
> 
>   Darrin Lewis will start for Neil Anderson
>   David Tate will start for Mark Carrier
>   Richard Fain will start for Lemuel Stinson
> 
>     and I think Woolford is benched also.
> 
>       What do you all think of it?

Da Bears real problems are in the trenches.  The key players in the OL & DL
are getting old (Van Horn, Bortz, Dent, McMichael, etc), others are
gone (Hilgenberg, Hampton), and the new guys are not filling their shoes.

Da Bears are facing the same problem the Vikes ('78-86) and Steelers (mid 80's)
did when their linemen got old and were not easily replaced.

The recent changes are simply rearanging the chairs on a sinking ship.

>       I agree with benching Anderson, he just isn't running as well
>       these past two seasons.  He doesn't keep his head up anymore and
>       look for holes -- he is always just diving for a yard or two.
> 
>       I think shaking up the secondary is a good idea, but I don;t think
>       Carrier is doing a bad job, but maybe it;s just me cos I like him
>       and remember how awesome he was in his rookie season.
-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 10 Nov 1992 16:52:34 CST
From: <U13141@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The Bears are thru for '92

Yes, good people the Bears are through for '92. I have previously posted some
things about the Bears before and I was lambasted. Well, now some of those
things I said are starting to show up. The lack of team speed was evident vs.
the Bengals. Ditka seemed to have a good game plan vs. the Bengals but the
players screwed it up. But his notion about keeping "good people" is what makes
the team speed what it is now. I will give him credit for stopping the practice
of plunging into 8-man lines. His hands are also tied by the cheap, idiotic
McCaskey family headed by anal-retentive Michael McCaskey. Ditka might be tired
of coaching also, he looks it. Or maybe he is tired of coaching a team short on
talent. So now Bears fans, stop living in '85 when mystique and "Bear weather"
was supposedly got them through. It was talent and attitude that got them
through along with some slightly better coaching. TALENT WINS IN THE NFL. It is
time to get with the '90's. And don't give me that jazz about dominating the
division. The NFC Central is the weakest in the NFL. Try going to the Super
Bowl a couple times more to establish some sense of dominance. And DO NOT
accuse me of being not a Bears fan or an ungrateful one. It is time we stop
coddling this team. You don't have to be absolutely overboard like they do in
NY and PHILA., Chicago is too mellow for that. I am just as much a Bears fan as
the next person; I've watched them since the Abe Gibron days (FOR THE LOVE OF
GOD!). I just know they can do better. Maybe after this last loss they'll
start doing what's necssary to make them selves better. I welcome ALL replies
from everyone, everywhere.

                                           Always in the Game,
                                                 Phil
        P.S.  I am a fan of the game of football itself and will talk about
other things in the not-too-distant future.
From: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Barry Trottier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: RE:  Herschel (sp?) Walker
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:06:59 GMT
Reply-To: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-22.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <92314.150025JJS158@psuvm.psu.edu> JJ Serowik <JJS158@psuvm.psu.edu>  
writes:
> Is it just me, or did he help the Vikings by leaving?  Seems to me he's
> helping everybody by leaving!('Cept Philadelphia...ha ha ha).  From
> One Cowboys fan to whomever! Helped the 'Boys by leaving(Thank you very
> much:)), crushed the Vikings for a while('Til he left, now the Vikes ARE
> for real), now he's in Philly!  Seems to be doing them some good, but for
> how long?  Thanx Herschel for your years at Dallas, but now that you're gone
> they're a much better team!  We thank you, the Vikes don't, and Philly thanx
> you! Yes it was necessary to post this bullshit because my friends kept  
telling
> me that Herschel was going to eat us alive last weekend, guess again!
>                                                                        Rob.

Yep, its was all Walker's fault that the Cowboys sucked a few years ago.  NOT!!

Herschel Walker has turned in good performances for his whole carreer despite  
his always being on sub-par teams (except this year.)

You noticed that Herschel Walker was doing the Eagles some good!  Don't you  
think that in order to do a good team some good, you have to be good?

Well, Herschel is definitely doing well this year, but if you look at his pro  
career, he has done good more than a couple of times before.

It isn't possible for a losing team to start winning if they just have 1 good  
player, and if a team only has one good player, naturally the defense is going  
to key on him and then he starts to LOOK like he is doing worse.

The fact is, Walker is a decent running back (if not a very good running back)  
and he will continue to be an asset to the Eagles!

--------------
GO Niners!
GO Elway!
Barry Trottier
e-mail:  trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rule Query - Offsetting Penalties
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:19:10 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <jono.721537084@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au> jono@cs.monash.edu.au (Jonathan Oliver) writes:
>graeme@cs.uwa.edu.au (Graeme Reid) writes:

>>What are the exact rules concerning offsetting penalties ?  I know that
>>usually when both sides have a penalty they are offset and the down is
>>replayed, regardless of the yardages involved.

>I beleive there is a 15-5 rule which states that a 15 yard penalty will
>not offset a 5 yard penalty. The 15 yard one is assessed.

I just want to clear up some confusion that may occur do to poor
syntax...

There is a 5-15 rule which says that if the 5 yarder is against one
team and the 15 against the other, the 15 yarder is the only one
enforced. 

Of course, if both penalties are assessed against the same team, this
rule does not apply and the other team gets to choose which of the two
penalties they want enforced.

jason
From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Top 12 in total yards from scrimmage
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:28:01 GMT
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Originator: rja@mahogany126


In article <meskes.721576861@ulysses>, meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Meskes) writes:
> As mentioned earlier here are the top 12 players in total yards from
> scrimmage:
> 
> Player                          Yards   TD
> -------------------------------------------
> Thurman Thomas		  1151    9
> Emmitt Smith                    1107   12
> Barry Foster                    1100    5
> Ricky Watters                   1055    9
> Lorenzo White                    943    4
> Terry Allen                      927    8
> Cleveland Gary                   904    8
> Sterling Sharpe                  900    6
> Rodney Hampton                   881    9
> Michael Irvin                    862    5
> Vince Workman                    853    1
> Earnest Byner                    831    4
> 
> Any comments?

Sure.  Terry Allen is #6.  Where's Herschel?

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Re: Emmitt passes Herschel
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 17:41:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.151059.7454@pbhya.PacBell.COM>, drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall) writes:
|> In article <2797@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
|> >An interesting tidbit for Cowboy fans -- not only did Emmitt play much
|> >better than Herschel in last Sunday's game, he gained enough yardage to
|> >pass Herschel on the Cowboy's all-time rushing list.  Herschel had 3,388
|> >yards with the Cowboys, and Emmitt now has 3,396.  I think that puts him
|> >about fourth or fifth on the list, but I'm not absolutely certain.
|> 
|> I was wondering if you could provide the time frame on this. How many games for
|> each?
|> 
|> >
|> >Daniel Welch
|> >----
|> >Two men say they're Jesus -- one of 'em must be wrong!
|> 
|> 
Walker had (still does) 3388 in three seasons with Dallas. 48 games?
Smith has (so far) 3396 in two-and-a-half seasons. 40 games.

Note: Walker was sharing time with a guy named Dorsett. 

-- 
Cary W Reams | sneakers.ksh <"cary w. reams"
NT/BNR/MTXVO | TOO MANY SECRETS:> wry as a merc.   
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From: greg@puck.webo.dg.com ()
Subject: Re: There are football GODS!
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 17:03:50 GMT
Reply-To: greg@puck.webo.dg.com
Organization: NSDD-X.500, Data General Corp.

In article <1992Oct27.052016.28812@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
|> FINAL SCORE:
|> Bills  24   Jets  20
|> 
|> A classic, palm sweating, by your seat, heart stomping
|> NFL Game by two determined teams.
|> 
|> The Bills had the football GODS on their side tonight!!!!
|> Can you believe it? YES, I saw it, I think! :-)  Well,
|> the Jets surprised me and a lot of other netters I'm
|> sure.
|> 
|> Another classic example of a supposedly superior team almost 
|> losing a game. I have to hand it to the Bills though, they
|> did NOT choke at the end. It easily could have gone the
|> Jets way except for a couple of crucial INTs by Nagle.
|> 
|> Thurman Thomas was superb along with WR Beebe!
|> 
|> -- 
|>   ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
|> "I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
|> I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck

I'll say one thing for the Bills, they are definitly beatable if they
have to pull one out against the Jets and lose to the Raiders and
Dolphins. They ain't winning or even going to the Superbowl this year,
if the Bills don't have home field advantage, their dead in the playoffs
in warm weather.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Cities chosen for Super Bowl sites?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:25:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.052938.29671@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)   writes...
> 
>Dougie, Dougie, Dougie.  Why do you insist on arguing about nonsense
>like this?  Are you trying to make yourself look even more silly,
>after putting your foot in your mouth with USC and the Rose Bowl?
> 
>No, Dougie, Stanford is not a city.  But neither is it incorporated as
>part of Palo Alto.  It's a seperate "community".  I'm sorry that I
>don't have the vast Political Science education that you possess, but
>I know that when I lived on campus I was *not* a Palo Alto resident,
>and my mail did *not* go to Palo Alto, CA.  And you know what,
>Dougie-Boy?  It wasn't just me.  It's true for everything at Stanford.
> 
>And so, Dougie my child, Stanford Stadium is in Stanford, CA.
>You can look it up in a book published by your employer, Pacific Bell.
>It's a very nice book called The White Pages.  I think you should
>read it carefully.  It has lots of pictures.
> 
Yeah, it doesn't have much of a plot but the list of characters is great.
Here is the obligatory d::-).

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummond)
Subject: Re: Boomer is Ultimate Team Player.........NOT!
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:04:57 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Nov12.132624.613@cbnews.cb.att.com>, cfh@cbnews.cb.att.com (chuck.himmelspach) writes:
|> The local newspaper this morning said that Boomer doesn't want to be
|> involved in a Cincinnati rebuilding effort. He doesn't want to stick
|> around to mentor any up and coming QB (read David Klingler(sp?)). I've
|> read lots of quotes from Boomer during his career at Cincy and he's always
|> struck me as one selfish, whining (only looking out for #1, baby) player. 
|> I can't help but wonder how his latest comments will affect his teammates' 
|> performance in support of him.
|> 
Being a Browns fan, it's not suprising that you have an anti-Boomer bias.
What Boomer said was he doesn't want to be stuck in a rebuilding mode, with
the team sacrificing winning now in order to help the organization make
the transition to the younger players.  He's always been a fierce 
competitor, and I've never heard complaints about him from other players.
He's always willing to take his share of the blame for a bad offensive
performance, and to spread the credit around where it's due.  

He's also been outspoken against management, which is not the same thing
as being against the team, since the team is made up of mgmt. and the players.

Boomer's like any QB...he wants to play and he wants to win.  He doesn't want
to be put out to pasture because the Bengals are paying Klingler a lot of
money and he's the QB of the future.  If he got benched because Klingler
was the better QB, I think he'd accept that, to the degree that any NFL
QB can accept being benched.

|> Well, if Boomer would become available, I'm sure old Wicky Wacky down in
|> Tampa would want him.
|> 
|> Comments?
|> 
Yeah.  Bernie is slow, runs like a girl and he's a woos.  When are the Browns 
going to find a QB that can throw *and* can take a hit?  I think they should
give Philcox a shot.

|> Der Himmel

-- 
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daled@meaddata.com		 spilled mitochondria." -- Ren
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From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: DamN AstrOturF!!
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:43:36 GMT
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Originator: rja@mahogany126


In article <1992Nov9.165506.2339@news.Hawaii.Edu>, bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King) writes:
> 
> 	Look at the injuries related to astroturf over that past 2
> 	weeks, 'Lanta's QB, NY's LB and numerous others.
> 
> 	When are they going to spend the bucks and grow grass
> 	indoors? Hell they can grow marijuana indoors, why
> 	not grass?

A reporter asked Tug McGraw if he prefered grass or artificial turf.
McGraw said he didn't know 'cause he'd never smoked artificial turf...

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Planet X 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:26:46 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


          Now I know why that rectangular hole (about the size of the
field) is in Dallas's stadium. Does the blimp ever block any view of the
games?
                              -doug THE dolfan-
From: greco@sun.lclark.edu (Peter Greco)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Niners vs Saints coming - Hebert loses
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:22:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov13.172212.16340
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In a post rgarding "Niners vs Saints..." GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu
(Sullivan) writes:

> Here they come, the hard-nosed, awesome, Saints.  The BEST
> defense in football.  The best linebacker corps, an OK defensive
> line, good dbs, good coach.  Good possession receivers, money
> kicker, some great Running backs.

At least the dome isn't a factor...

> Oh, darn, you still have Hebert.
>
> darn it.
>
> For as long as I've watched Hebert against the Niners it's been the
> same old story.  Good offensive game plan that takes what the Niners
> give, moves down the field, kick a field goal.  Repeat 4 times and
> hope your awesome defense holds the Niners to only two TDs.  God
> forbid that you need to score a last minute TD to win it.  Count on
> Bobby to make a bad decision.

I think we Niner fans ought to think about the Aints' running
game...Johnny Johnson tore the Niners up in Phoenix.  Atlanta ran well on
many of their attempts (it seemed), and the Failcons don't have the best of
running games.  I know how the stats read...the Niners look good against
the run.  But doesn't this have a lot to do with the fact that opposing
teams drool at the thought of passing against the Niners?  Which of this
year's opponents thus far have a great running game, and how well did the
Niner D do against them?

> It's not lucky that Niners won the first game, fellas.  Bobby can
> ALWAYS be counted on to make a bad decision, no matter how good he
> looks up to that point.

I breathed a BIG sigh of relief after the first game.  Your analysis is
appropriate for that game IMHO, but I am not so sure that we can count on
Hebert to lose this game.  The Aints haven't lost many this year.  And
I would never count out the mighty left foot (I wish he'd get old and
retire :-)

> If the Niners score on their first drive, look to them to win by
> 10.  If not, it will be a dogfight the whole way with Niners winning
> on a bad Hebert decision again.

The spread is (I believe) Niners -8.  If I was betting, I would lean
toward the Aints.  But I do think the Niners will get the W.

> It's laughable to hear local Niner 'fans' who think Young isn't very
> good, and imagine them trying to root for the Saints.

Mr. Young is an incredible athlete.  He still makes an occasional mental
blunder and you can count on some errant passes.  But he is getting the
job done in a big way this year, and no one can deny that.  I just hope he
stops taking hits like he did against Atlanta, or we'll be looking at QB
adjustments at money time.

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Lewis & Clark College
Portland, OR
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: martens@kingkong.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Bengals release Brennan
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:23:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.134204.7224@meaddata.com> daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummond) writes:

>The Cincinnati Bengals release wide receiver Brian Brennan to make room
>on the roster for wide receiver Reggie Rembert.  I was surprised by this.
>I thought they would release Jeff Query, who hasn't contributed much
>to the offense.  I think age was the factor, with Brennan being the oldest
>of the Bengals receivers.

Query's younger and faster, and a *very* good punt returner.
Additionally, in '90 Majkowski said he thought Query had the best
hands of the Packer WRs.  Then in '91 he couldn't run a route and
had a number of drops.  If Query gets back on track, he could end
up being a pretty good receiver.

-- 

	Think snow!

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
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