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From: mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Gretzky news-NOT GOOD
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:26:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.100518.2197@gacvx2.gac.edu> mbeadle@gacvx2.gac.edu writes:
> Well it looks like it could be all over for Mr. Gretzky, at least for a
> long while. The Star Tribune (Twin Cities paper) quotes Gretzky as saying
> "I hope to come back, But reality is telling me maybe that is not possible.
> I don't know what the future holds. I'm optimistic...the physical side of
> the game and what it takes to play...I don't know."
> later in the article it says "Gretzky has not ruled out surgery, but taking
> this route could keep him out for as long as two years."
> 

Just a quick note:  Immediately after this story appeared in the local (L.A.)  
papers, Gretz's doctore stated that Gretzky is "simply showing his impatience  
in allowing the normal healing process to occur".  His doctor noted that they  
are "gaining, not regressing" each day of therapy, and that Wayne would indeed  
return. Of course this is probably the TEAM doctor, so who knows if he's  
telling the truth or not.  I'm sure there is some value in making other teams  
sweat the return of Gretzky considering how well the Kings are playing even  
without him!

observation: it is not his back that will be the problem, it will be his desire  
to come back to the game.  What hasn't he accomplished?  I personally think  
that he will come back to win a Cup for his good friend and owner Bruce McNall.

We'll see.
--

Mike Shebanek
Computing and Communications
University of California, Riverside
Riverside, CA.  92521
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Why it's great in Vancouver (was Why ESPN's Hockey Ratings Are Low)
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:07:09 GMT

p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang) wrote:
>It's great living in Vancouver because:
> 1) durring the last two weeks there have been 4 games televised per week.
> 2) Canuck coverage is excellent with about 25 games televised this season.
> 3) Sports news usually deals with hockey first, for example, a Canuck
>    regular season game is covered before a non-Jay baseball playoffs
> 4) radio coverage and local televised games are done by the great
>    Hall of Fame inductee Jim Robinson
> 5) Pavel Bure plays for the Canucks

Just about every team has local TV, local radio, local newspaper coverage,
local this, local that. With ESPN, we're talking national coverage. Why
don't you ask Canucks fans living hundreds of miles from Vancouver (that don't
have satellite dishes) how much of 1-4 they are getting (5 is really
irrelevant)?

The popularity of hockey is not going to increase through great local coverage.
That is what the topic is about. I sure would like to watch the Bruins, or
the Rangers, or the Flames... I'm sure the coverage is just great in their
cities.

Tom
From: rnoia@netcom.com (Roger F. Noia)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Sergei Fedorov
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:08:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Any fans out there of the best former Soviet player in the NHL (with all
due respect to Bure, Mogilny, and Nemchinov)?  I live in California, so I
don't get much news about Sergei and the wings.  Would love to talk to any
fans of number 91.
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From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN ratings level off
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:25:52 GMT
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In-reply-to: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)

In article <2119@hsdndev.UUCP>, nhmas@gauss (Mark Shneyder) writes:
>ESPN might have millions and millions more subscribers than SportsChannel
>America ever will but its NHL ratings have really levelled off after a
>sensational numbers for the October 6th opener(Pens-Flyers). The current
>rating is 1.0 which is about what it was in 1988-89,the last season of ESPN's
>NHL coverage when the average was 0.9. ESPN has gained viewers since then
>but it appears it's not able to attract more viewers to the game.

Well, part of the problem for me (and probably many others on the west
coast) is that the games are at a rather inconvenient time -- they start
at 4:30, and are pretty much over by the time I get home from work at 7
or so.  While I understand that most hockey teams are in the Eastern or
Central time zone, I have to believe that the loss of the entire west
coast is not insignificant (40 million?).

This has always been a problem with ESPN -- I noticed it during baseball
season, but since they usually broadcast two games in a row of baseball,
it wasn't a big deal.  With hockey, it's one game, thank you and good
night.
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From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: 1st draft pick of 1993?
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:03:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <By4v2A.CpJ@DMI.USherb.CA>, paien00@DMI.USherb.CA (Nick) writes:
> Guess why now it's Aubut's fault??? Because his image of fan bashing
> is kind of stupid and someone told Bonnie that it would be better for
> him to change his attitude...

Given the things that Aubut has done, I can't imagine why ANYBODY would want
to play for the asshole, and I can certainly see why Lindros refused to. 
(Assuming, of course, that Lindros DID have some prior knowledge of what kind
of a slimy character Aubut is). 

He made a deal with Philly, then tried to go back on it when he found out he 
could get a better deal elsewhere. He sold the same asset twice. In the
business world, he'd likely go to jail for that.

								Alan
From: tj06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas J. Joyce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Upcoming divorces...
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:20:46 GMT
Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I believe Errey has a girlfriend or married. I remember an interview
late last year where Mike Lange was kidding Bob to tell so-and-so
that "she is doing a good job at dressing you up" [in nice clothes].

Tocchet's single. I know his next door neighbors.

There are two sides to every story and we haven't heard Mario's yet.

Word about pro players behavior in town spreads fast here. Its well
known here that Coffey was a heartbreaker. Jagr has been sighted all over
Pittsburgh with many different women. I know a few women who've met
with Jaro. Bubby Brister [of the Steelers] is a nightclub regular
(what else does he have to do now anyway?).

The only one that is worrisome is Jagr. He really needs to settle down.
He could easily be a target for entrapment.

tom
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Subject: re: 1st draft pick of 1993?
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:55:07 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <8800740.26.722189248@clement.info.umoncton.ca>, 8800740@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARCO RUEST) writes:
> 	I've heard on the news that if Ottawa draft Alexandre Daigle, that 
> there is going to be an other Lindros Case.  He will refuse to play for 
> Ottawa.  Is it just a supposition?  I don't know.

He has publicly stated that he will play for any team that drafts him. Money
may be a concern, but he will not refuse a team if they can pay him what he
wants. Unlike Lindros.

								Alan

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From: psproxto@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Sproxton)
Subject: Fuhr's knee
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:10:08 GMT

I know Grant Fuhr left Saturday nights game against LA after two periods because he aggravated his knee again.  Has anybody heard about the severity and if he will miss more time??????
-- 
Paul Sproxton
psproxto@descartes.uwaterloo.ca

Leafs to the cup in '93!!!!!
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From: kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: 1st draft pick of 1993?
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:47:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester

In article <1ejjh1INNiki@gambier.rick.cs.ubc.ca> p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang) writes:
>
>A open question to all the people who supported Lindos's decision not to play
>for Quebec:
>What if he decided to snub your team?
>How would you feel about him then?
>
>Just my thoughts,
>Tony

Until he was actually on the Flyers I was not sure whether I wanted him.  I
sure as hell did not want the Rangers to have him!  Anyway, I thought it
was kind of silly to snub Quebec.  He would have had plenty of endorsements
in Quebec, but maybe not the American exposure.  Also, the Quebec team
at the time was not one to be bragged about.  Only after the Trade
did they have enough decent players to be competitive.  I really don't
know how much impact Lindros would have had considering his style of
play.  I don't know how he would be doing without Recchi on his line.

As far as endorsement money goes, all I have seen outside of Philly
advertising has been on ESPN.  Another thought, What If Eric had
gone to the Rangers instead, how do you think a Ricci, Recchi, Fedyk
line would have done?  Recchi seems to be a great playmaker and both
Ricci and Fedyk are showing/have shown that they can put the puck in
the net.

Anyway, for God's sake, hockey is just a game, maybe the best game,
but still a game.  There is no point in getting overly upset
when your team loses.  Hell, I am also a Phillies & Royals fan!  I
know what it is to root for a losing team.  I don't get upset over
it because it in no way affects my life.

latre,
kev
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Subject: Re: FLYERS VS. RANGERS
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 22 Nov 92 02:46:06 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <92325.150511DMB144@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DMB144@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
> from behind (in typical Ranger fashion).  Why don't people jump Messier when he
>  dishes out hits?  Lindros hits clean, while Messier is one of the dirtiest pla
> yers in the league.  Go FLYERS!!!!!!

Because Messier is one tough SOB. He doesn't fight much anymore, but those of
us who remember him playing for Edmonton in the early-to-mid 80's remember him
as one mean m.f. His reputation precedes him. He was so bad, he was permanently
banned from playing major junior hockey when he was only 17. You can cheap shot
anybody you want if you're willing to back it up afterwards. Messier is.

 								Alan
From: montana@pinetree.org (David Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: rookie
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 01:15:25 EST
Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

All the Top rookies from last year seems to be suffering from sophomore 
jinx,  Bure has cool down a lot, Amonte and Todd are almost 
non-exisitent, the only name I have heard around latly seems to be 
Emerson,  what's wrong with all these rookies anyways??
 
later


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From: (Gerry Gryschuk)
Subject: Re: Ps-0 RWs-8/thoughts (NON-HOCKEY POST)
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:33:31 GMT

From article <Bxv5x8.Ano.1@cs.cmu.edu>, by kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann):
> 
> Gerry Gryschuk writes:
> 
>> *If* Quinn actually raped this woman and *if* Lemieux,Tocchet or Errey had
>> been able to stop it the only thing they have to be held accountable for is
>> their innaction, their own fidelity(or lack there of) shouldn't be in
>> question here.
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by 'held accountable', but to paraphrase
> Supreme Court Justice Scalia (referring to US law):

Well actually I used the phrase 'held accountable' ambiguously strictly
because 1) I have little knowledge of American law, 2) I have little knowledge
of what actually happened. Irregardless of whether Lemieux et al. commited
a crime they would still be properly 'held accountable' by us their fans.

If it was shown someone could have stopped the alleged incident with little
or no worry over their own safety I'm pretty sure their reputations at least
would be shot. Of course people can debate if this is enough punishment,
fortunately that's the price you pay for freedom.

> 
> 	Our laws are written to persuade a person not to do wrong -
> 	not to punish a person for ignoring his natural propensity
> 	to do good.
> 
> Scalia sure is an optimist about us humans, isn't he?

Although it's debateable whether humans have a propensity for good, the
sentiment of the quote is at least well founded.

> 
> Anyway... If Mario had prevented the one girl from helping her friend,  then
> he would be aiding and abetting a crime.  If he just sat and watched, I doubt
> that he could be convicted of anything.  Legally he is not 'doing wrong',
> ethically he is.

Either way if the facts were known they would be 'held accountable' by
someone in some manner, that's all I meant by the phrase.

Note if we choose to continue this discussion it should be in a *.politics,
*.justice(is there one) group, or email(which is fine by me at least for
a while). Two non-hockey related posts should be enough, besides I like
getting the last word in.
--
Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months
gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
Go Habs!!!		              (The Bum rules!!!)
From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN ratings level off
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:02:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov17.150246.3433
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.


In article <2119@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder) writes:
>However,ESPN is not sitting on its hands and is moving forward with some
>interesting new video/audio gimmicks to cover the more open style of
>play and make the sport more popular on TV.
>
>* A fixed camera mounted on the glass behind each goal - coming this season.
>
>* Tiny microphones in the back of each net to convey intimate sounds of
>the game - coming in time for the playoffs.

This reminds me of an incident on Hockey Night in Canada a while back.
I think it was the Leafs and the Whalers, and Vaive and Murzyn lock up
behind the net. Whistle blows, and there's some pushing and shoving,
and the mic is on and you get, from Vaive, "Hey. You know what your
problem is? Your fucking nose is too big for your fucking face." A
long pause from the HNIC guys and then Bob Cole comes on and says
"Well, I don't think we'll be doing that again."

I actually don't think you need mics for hockey -- it's so easy to
read their lips, especially when they're sitting in the sin bin ("two
minutes alone, all by yourself, you feel shame, and then you are
free").

And finally, I think ESPN would get better ratings if they showed more
hockey. I don't know, but it seems like it's been years since I've
seen a game. SCNY is either doing less or we're not getting them
thanks to some nob down the Thruway in Buffalo. With college hoop
about to start, I can't see the situation improving. GLD's analysis
of the extra feeds SC used to provide seems right on, at least for
those of us whose cableco showed some brains once in a blue moon and
replaced harness racing with extra hockey.

George

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From: marshall@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Jim Marshall - DCS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: 1st draft pick of 1993?
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:45:34 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <Bxz6CD.6A9@DMI.USherb.CA>, paien00@DMI.USherb.CA (Nick) writes:
> 8800740@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARCO RUEST) a ecrit:
> >	I've heard on the news that if Ottawa draft Alexandre Daigle, that 
> >there is going to be an other Lindros Case.  He will refuse to play for 
> >Ottawa.  Is it just a supposition?  I don't know.
> 
> But that's going to be interresting... How the English media will
> react to this??? I mean that they were 110% behind Lindros when he
> didn't want to play in Quebec... Let's see if it's going to be the
> same thing... I guess not...
> 
> 
> -- 
> 						Nick
>   - Ce n'est pas parce qu'une rumeur ne tient   
>      pas debout... qu'elle ne peut courir !    


**************************************************************************

The Toronto Star printed an interview with him this week, in it he
states that he will play anywhere, as long as they pay him lots of
money.  He goes on to say that what Lindros did (holdout) was Lindros'
business and he neither approved or disapproved of it.  He also mentioned
that he was happy to get a chance at playing in the NHL because he
never wants to punch a time clock! A very healthy attitude IMHO.

**************************************************************************

Jim Marshall

Dept.of Computing Services
University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario
Canada

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Subject: Re: FLYERS VS. RANGERS
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:58:06 MST
Distribution: na
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Nov22.163601.13291@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden) writes:
> In article <1992Nov22.024606.2920@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
> 
>> You can cheap shot anybody you want if you're willing to back it up 
>> afterwards. Messier is.
> 
> 	That is a pretty pathetic statement and I hope you really do not mean
> that.  This statement ranks up there with all the preseason "kill Lindros"
> statements made by a few members of the hockey sub-culture.  Heck,
> this is a sport, not football! :)

Let me just clarify my statement before I get flamed by everybody and his dog.

I did not intend my statement to be in support of violence. I intended it to be
a comment on the state of the league these days. Cheap shots do happen, and
I was merely pointing out that the people that dish out cheap shots but can't
take the retaliation are generally despised. (Samuelsson, etc). Whereas, the
guys that can handle the retaliation are seemingly accepted. (Dale Hunter, etc)

								Alan
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Quinn charges to be dropped?
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:11:14 GMT

This was taken from this morning's USA Today:

"A prosecutor says he is unsure if charges will be filed against MN NStar 
center Dan Quinn, accused of raping a 19 year old woman.  Citing major
problems in the case, Hennepin County Assistant DA told a local MN TV station
that no charges will be filed before next week, if at all."

Lori

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From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Upcoming divorces...
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:48:20 GMT
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.


In article <gf2KuzG00WBO87B14x@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I never said Coff was an angel.  I like him as a hockey player.  And
>considering that Jaro is young enough to be my son and that I think he's
>got the worst hair in hockey, you're way off the mark.  Your comments
>are about what I've come to expect from you and your kind.

Perhaps you should lay off the morning coffee for a while. I don't
think I'd call you "Mom" if I was being serious, as if I'd seriously
care about players' haircuts (gotta agree with you about Jaro's
though, as you apparently couldn't tell). You should have enabled
close-captioning for the sarcasm-impaired, where your newsreader
inserts extra bits of punctuation after every sentence, just in case.

George
ps. I wonder what "kind" I belong to? Canadians? Hockey players? I'm
    dying to know.
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From: 2351625ec400@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca
Subject: Domi vs. Probert
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:36:28 GMT

	In Saturday's Toronto Sun, Domi announced that the most important
game of his season was on Dec. 2, when the Rangers meet Detroit. This was 
because he could hardly wait to battle Probert for the 'belt', as it was 
referred to. Incidentally, this is also the first time the Rangers are 
scheduled to play on ESPN, and apparently the League is already considering
what to do in the event of a fight, because, as Domi said, there is little
doubt that there will be an instigator.


					Mike Irwin
					2351625ec400@sscl.uwo.ca


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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Miura, Hiro  Saskatchewan
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:01:44 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Nov21.145507.1308@HQ.Ileaf.COM> raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka) writes:

>Hiroyuki Miura was the 260th player selected in the 1992 draft
>I have never seen any statistics come out of Japan so it is hard
>to know anything about this man
>
>I believe the only other Asian born man to get to the NHL 
>was Rod Langway who is from Taiwan

Jim Paek, Pens' defenseman, was born in Seoul, South Korea.
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From: leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca (Gary Leung)
Subject: Re: Steven Rice?
Organization: University of Toronto, Systems Control Group
Distribution: na
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:26:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.122522.17659@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.053415.21358@splunge.uucp> bart@splunge.uucp (Barton Oleksy) writes:
>> [Stuff on Steven Rice, Currie and Van Allen deleted]
>
>One would think the Senators would offer the Oilers something for
>Currie and Van Allen, since they probably could be obtained for
>a reasonable price, because neither really fit into the Oilers's future.

Well, here's a question then. Why aren't Currie and Van Allen in
the Oiler's plans? I don't know much about Currie's stats, but
Van Allen's stats in the AHL have been extremely good. Can
anyone enlighten me as to why these two players (Van Allen
specifically) do not fit into the Oiler's plans? 

Thanks

Gary

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