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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: for your interest...
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 01:22:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.062940.15751@beaver.cs.washington.edu> rcsaito@cs.washington.edu (Richard Saito) writes:
>here's the SPORT magazine >PRESEASON< top 20 picks.  somewhat prophetic... 
>
> 1. Alabama?!
> 2. Miami
> 3. Notre Dame
> 4. Florida State
> 5. Washington
> 6. Syracuse
> 7. Penn State
> 8. Michigan
> 9. Mebrasla
>10. Texas A&M
>11. Colorado
>12. Ohio State
>13. Florida
>14. Georgia
>15. UCLA
>16. Iowa
>17. Mississippi St.
>18. Oklahoma
>19. USC
>20. Georgia Tech
>
>"It's not an odd year..."
>-- 
>-Richard


Was this list for _this_ year's top 20 teams, or was it for the '93 season?

Kevin
From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Kansas TD play legal?
Date: 26 Dec 92 07:36:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Dec26.073609.24295
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Originator: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu

Well, it was a good game to kick off a week of bowls... very 
entertaining, right from the opening kickoff, literally.  But
I was just wondering, was I the only one who thought that the
"lateral" on Kansas' first TD play was really a forward pass?
I've seen it replayed many times but haven't heard anyone else
even question it.  I had no rooting interest in the game... just
curious if anyone else saw it the way I did.

Jim
From: schrandt@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Kansas Help Needed!!!
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:38:51 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Kansas football is the essence of above average.  Some games "we" look
great, some pathetic, most, we just win by the skin of the teeth
(but we do win).  I do think that we are a legit top 25 team, but
barely.  Here's my analysis, for those of you who asked....

Offense:
Average/Streaky - Ku's bread and better is establishing a running
game.  With injured FB Monte Cozzens returning, KU has a good tandem
in the backfield (with Maurice Douglass).  QB Chip Hilleary was First
Team All Big 8, mostly b/c his scrambling abilities, although he is an
adequte passer.  The line is the story - they make or break the
offense.  With Booth out So. starter), we are aching a bit, but if we
can get one good series in the first quarter, this line thrives on
momentum (as most others). WR's are very average, TE's are excellent
(watch Dwayne Chandler to make lots of short-medium catches).  FG's
are a gimme with Dan Eichloff, who only missed 4 all year (2 were
blocked - long of 62 yards). 

Defense:
Started off great.  Were leaders in scoring defense, passing, and
rushing.  Fell apart mid season.  We have a VERY GOOD rushing defense,
as is attested to by TWO opponents ending up with negative rushing
yards.  But pass defense is awful.  Reasons: 1) top tackler LB Larry
Theil injured in the OSU game (right before NU) out for season, 2) LB
Steve Harvey injured, 3) CB Robert Vaughn missed the plane to Hawaii,
so unless he pays his way, will miss the game, 4) LB Hassan Bailey on
probation for disciplinary reasons, 5) The whole Secondary is
painfully SLOW.  Ouch.  Nebraska: three TD passes in 1st quarter -
ouch again.  BYU could really burn us here.  Eichloff's punting is
respectable, but he can choke on this end of the ball.

Special Teams: We suffer again from being slow here.  And the main
return guy, Charlie Bowen, is nicknamed "Fair Catch".  I've seen him
return the ball twice.

Overall: Can beat BYU if we get early momentum.  If we get behind,
forget it against a good passing team like BYU.

Players to watch:
Hilleary	QB
Chandler	TE
Loneker		OL
Stubblefield	DL
Moore		DL
Douglass	RB

If four of these six "leaders" are on, forget it - momentum can be
produced artificially... And the Hawks could end a sorry late season
streak. 
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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: trivia
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:50:47 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu wrote:

}Mississippi State's football guide for 1992 lists Scott
}Field as hosting its first football game in 1914.  This
}appears to be older than Grant Field.

The first football game played at Grant Field was actually in 1902.
The date in 1917 is when the first permanent part of the stadium
opened (which I assume means that previous games were played in
front of crowds just standing around watching or maybe in front
of temporary type bleachers.)  So the question - not that any of this 
truly matters - is when was the first permanent stadium was built
at Scott Field?

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
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From: conery@kiwanda.cs.uoregon.edu (John Conery)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Pac 10 Quiz Answers
Date: 23 Dec 92 07:00:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: kiwanda.CONERY.92Dec22230030
Distribution: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: CS Dept, University of Oregon

From North to South isn't too hard:
  Seattle
  Pullman
  Corvallis
  Eugene
  Berkeley
  Palo Alto
  Pasadena
  Los Angeles
  Phoenix (er, Tempe)
  Tuscon

From West to East is harder:
  Corvallis
  Eugene
  Seattle
  Berkeley
  Palo Alto
  Los Angeles
  Pasadena
  Pullman
  Tempe
  Tucson

There are a few places to get messed up (is Pullman east
or west of LA?) but the real surprise is that Berkeley is
west of Palo Alto.  If you drive from Berkeley to Palo Alto
you may head west over the Bay Bridge, but when you turn
south you'll go east far enough to end up further east than
where you started.

A tip of the cap to dbd20@cd.amdahl.com (David B Dobrikin)
who got them all except Berkeley/Palo Alto....

JC
--

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conery@cs.uoregon.edu		University of Oregon
(503) 346-4408			Eugene, OR  97403-1202
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From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Las Vegas Silver Bowl Score
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:35:56 GMT

Does anyone know the score of the Bowling Green-Nevada game in the Las Vegas
Silver Bowl, played Saturday night, 12/19?  The East Coast papers haven't
carried it yet.

Dave

-- 
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Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: rec.hwy6  (was Re: Pac-10 quiz)
Keywords: tiguzz
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:45:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: .

(Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>
>  Well heck, why didn't you stop by and see me?  I live just off of Hwy 6.
>
>Next time we have a reason to go to Waco, or Comanche, or whatever's up that
>way, we'll do it.  (The wife and I live about five miles east of 6 in west
>Houston, ourselves.)

Well heck, and I live about 200 yards west of 6 in west Houston.  
This is fun.

>   - goober (this is rec.sport.football.college.texas.chat, right?) smith
>
>   ps: Hwy 6 goes both ways... o never mind, it's an Aggie thing.
>   pps: late night exam grading...
>
>That works up there -- not if you're in Texas City, though...:-)
>--
>Patrick L. Humphrey(patrick@owlnet.rice.edu)Rice Networking & Computing Systems

--J.J.
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From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Sports Writers (wasRe: Texas A&M)
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:54:02 GMT

In article <2B35F5C1.27409@news.service.uci.edu> jayakris@translab.its.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.154103.29418@Arco.COM> mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec21.152010.24940@ods.com>, scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
>>writes:
>>> MILLER, JIMMY A. (HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu) wrote:
>>> [ stuff deleted ]
>>> 
>>> As we all know, the DMN is in business to *SELL PAPERS*.  Well, now
>>> they've
>>> made national headlines for themselves...  Doug Bedell, the writer, is 
>>> *always* involved somehow in these stories, whether it involves A&M,
>>> SMU,
>>> Texas, or whoever.  I guess he thinks he's gonna win a Pulitzer Prize or
>>> something for breaking these stories on *college football*, of all
>>> things.
>>> I mean, come on, this isn't Watergate or anything...
>>> 
>>If you notice, the person(s) who are writing this bull-crud are x-sips.
>>The Houston paper said last week that his article would be put out and
>>was fiction. They look for dirt on the Oklahoma program 4 years ago.
>>
>>-- 
>>Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com
>
stuff defending UT grads deleted (there is no defense for them :) :))
                                  please note double-smiley --->^^^^

>  Jay  (hoping that the aggies will come through clean on this, 
>        and, as usual, not believing what I just said.........)
>

We all know that the majority of sports writers are wanna-be players and
coaches.  They also seem to have this insatiable desire to want to 
control the destiny of their local sports teams.  The writers in the 
Austin American-Statesman seem to be intent on having UT and maybe A&M
leave the conference for greener pastures.  There was a long write-up
comparing UT to the Big 10 schools like Michigan and Ohio State, etc.  
They talked about how well the student population matched up, the sports
programs, matched up, blah blah blah.  This guy (can't remember which 
bozo it was) was saying that UT should add another deck to the football
stadium so it could hold 100,000 fans like Michigan since it was imminent
that UT would soon be joining them.  What he seemed to not take into account
is that it is very rare, like maybe once a season, that the 80,000 that it
now holds is not enough.  This is a sign of a very intelligent and thorough
thought-process which most sports writers display with great frequency.

As for the actual accusations, I wouldn't be surprised if the DMN 
actually paid the players themselves to get paid by an alumn just so 
they'd have a story.  I hope that A&M comes clean, too, because I'd
hate to see any programs be ruined by over-zealous alumni or yellow 
journalists.

Paul (all my alma-mater (Texas Tech) got caught for was an illegal
      Hunger Buster at Dairy Queen (tm), but then again, maybe if we
      paid our players, we'd have a better team :))

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From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: NOTRE DAME IS THE GREATEST
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 09:04:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.022408.8518@wdl.loral.com> (Brad Snyder) writes:
>
>Take a good look.        ..one reason why ND is not the               
>greatest...................................................STANFORD!!!
>
>And don't give me the cry baby story of how they had to study that week....
>
>my ass........Stanford had to study and take a plane to hell indiana to
^^^^^^^        Correction: The game was Oct. 3. The quarter here at 
no thanks!                 Stanford started on Oct. 1! Only 2 class days,
Keep your ass              no serious studying going on yet!
to yourself!  )*(          ND's semester was a month old at that point.

Ever been to South Bend in early October? It's very nice.

>play them..........plus most Football players take cake majors and get
>special treatment (tutors, make-up tests etc.)......

You wouldn't say that about football players from Notre Dame or Stanford
if you knew what you were talking about. Many of them have MD's, JD's, MBA's 
and probably MS's and PhD's.  




-- 
Greg Sroka
Menlo Park, CA
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Protest over FSU Mascot
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:48:21 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Dec23.182847.4348@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
> 
> Well, an interesting article I read in the Florida Today sports page today:
> 
> 	Florida St. mascot at center of protest
> 
> 	Activists of the American Indian Movement will protest Florida State
> 	University's Seminole warrior mascot New Year's Day at the Orange Bowl
> 	-- but Seminole Indians here say they won't join the picket.
> 	
> 	"We enjoy the football team.  It doesn't insult us," Seminole Tribe
> 	Chairman James Billie said.  "Whoever is being insulted for us, 
> 	thanks, but no thanks."

	The U. of Miami (OH) cooperate with the actual Miami tribe (now in
OK.), much to the chagrin of the AIM.
	It seems to be another case of one group of people trying to impose
their ideals on everyone else.

>... 
> From what I understand, FSU has always worked closely with the Seminole Tribe
> in Florida over the mascot, even having the mascot's outfit made by them.  I 
> can't see what all the fuss is about really.  Actually I can see Washington's
> use of the nickname Redskins as being degrading to all Native American people
> just like some of the names which have been used to describe African Americans.
> But Seminoles?  Then I guess Boston Celtics and West Virginia Mountaineers
> would also be out ... gotta be careful who we offend.  Why even Notre Dame's
> Fighting Irish seems to suggest something about the nature of a group of
> people!  Where does it all end?  I guess we just have to throw the names of
> all types of animals into a big barrel and have offending schools draw one
> to see who their new mascot will be; then pray that these animals never become
> intelligent enough to protest!

	When I pointed out that Miami had the support of the actual tribe, I
got responses (in the native newsgroup) that amounted to "we don't care what
they want to call themselves, we'll refer to them by the name we think is
appropriate for them".

	They didn't see the irony in their position.

Brett
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kmelcher@rafael.Arco.COM (Kenneth Melcher)
Subject: Re: Paterno and QB's
Reply-To: kmelcher@rafael.Arco.COM
Organization: ARCO Exploration and Production Technology
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:45:27 GMT

Personally I thought that Sacca was much more impressive this season than Colins.  Any word out of Happy Valley on who the leading candidate for #1 QB for '93 will be?

'86 alum

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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Protest over FSU Mascot
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:28:47 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division


Well, an interesting article I read in the Florida Today sports page today:

	Florida St. mascot at center of protest

	Activists of the American Indian Movement will protest Florida State
	University's Seminole warrior mascot New Year's Day at the Orange Bowl
	-- but Seminole Indians here say they won't join the picket.
	
	"We enjoy the football team.  It doesn't insult us," Seminole Tribe
	Chairman James Billie said.  "Whoever is being insulted for us, 
	thanks, but no thanks."

	Use of Native Americans or symbols of Native American(s) as team
	mascots is degrading and racist, the protestors argue.  They were
	pelted with ice and beer bottles when they picketed the Florida-
	Florida State game Nov. 28.
	
	But the fact that Billie supports the Florida State mascot won't
	stop the planned protest for the game against Nebraska, according
	to Clyde Bellecourt, a founder and director of the American Indian
	Movement.
	
	"He's a puppet of the U.S. federal government," said Bellecourt,
	who is a member of the Anishinabe tribe.  "He doesn't represent the
	people.  We've always had Indian scouts willing to ride with the
	cavalry."

	Besides, AIM has the backing of the Oklahoma branch of the Seminoles,
	said Sheridan Murphy, director of the American Indian Movement's 
	Tampa chapter.

	There will be no response to the protest from Florida State, Athletic
	Director Bob Goin said.

	"We've worked very closely with the Seminole Tribe to incorporate the
	spirit of pride and sensitivity," Goin said.  "I don't think we're
	offending the Seminoles.  We use their name in the spirit of pride."

	AIM had gained national attention at last year's World Series, when it
	protested the Atlanta Braves' name and fans' "tomahawk chop" gesture.

	"AIM does its thing, and we do ours," said Billie of the Seminole Tribe
	in Florida.  "I was elected by the tribe to take care of its interests.
	If the Seminole people think it's insulting or undignified, I'm sure
	I'll be the first to know."



From what I understand, FSU has always worked closely with the Seminole Tribe
in Florida over the mascot, even having the mascot's outfit made by them.  I 
can't see what all the fuss is about really.  Actually I can see Washington's
use of the nickname Redskins as being degrading to all Native American people
just like some of the names which have been used to describe African Americans.
But Seminoles?  Then I guess Boston Celtics and West Virginia Mountaineers
would also be out ... gotta be careful who we offend.  Why even Notre Dame's
Fighting Irish seems to suggest something about the nature of a group of
people!  Where does it all end?  I guess we just have to throw the names of
all types of animals into a big barrel and have offending schools draw one
to see who their new mascot will be; then pray that these animals never become
intelligent enough to protest!

D. Head
Proud to be a 'Nole
Go SEMINOLES!
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Subject: Re: Kansas Help Needed!!!
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:50:53 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Dec21.114453.62201@cc.usu.edu>, sl45z@cc.usu.edu writes:
>	You can bet I won't miss a down of the Aloha Bowl on Christmas Day.  It
>should be a good one.  This is where I, and I speak for a lot of Y fans, need
>some help.
>	Who is Kansas?  This is no Woof or Flame.  

First those east coasters who can't see past the App.Mtns, we now
have west coasters who can't see east of the RockyMtns.   Kansas is
that puny flat state that has wheat, tornadoes and the Wizard of Oz.

KU is very descent on defense, minus the Nebraska game.  Their line
is strong lead by Stubblefield in the middle.  If they can't pressure
the QB, they can get burned.  Offense is a take what the defense gives.
Hilleary is an adequate passer, excellent scrambler.  Eichloff is
a great place kicker and a respectable punter.
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Reggie Brooks deserves the Heisman
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:47:45 GMT
	<1992Nov30.194417.7299@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: University of Michigan

In article <1992Nov30.194417.7299@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karl C Schudt) writes:

   Reggie is that he has truly come out of nowhere to be the best running back in 
   the country (highest yards per carry, 8.09) A year or two ago, he was a 
   defensive back!

Reggie is a great back.  Reggie isn't the best back in the country.  Reggie
isn't the best rb in his own backfield.  Should still be a top pick, though.

	Coming out of nowhere is hard to do. Have any other one year starters at
   a position won a Heisman?

Last year, Desmond Howard came from pretty close to nowhere.  Barry Sanders
started one year, the year he won.  Andre Ware wasn't a star comming into his
year.  The line about not being known at the start of the year doesn't cut
it.  

Bill
--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
From: rrm@icf.hrb.com (MURPH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Ron Powles-Berwick,Pa.  National Champs
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:08:42 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

 In talking about recruits this year, one stand out is Ron Powles from
Berwick, PA. He is a good size kid and damn can he throw the ball. His
choices so far are Miami, Notre Dame and Penn State. You should see this kid
out of the shot-gun, not bad at all. I don't think he will go to PSU though,
I can't see good old Joe "run the ball" Paterno using the shotgun alot.
Later
                                               Murph
                                            
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From: kitchel@manta.dpsi.com (Sidney W. Kitchel)
Subject: Re: Protest over FSU Mascot
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:37:22 GMT

dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
>From what I understand, FSU has always worked closely with the Seminole Tribe
>in Florida over the mascot, even having the mascot's outfit made by them.  I 
>can't see what all the fuss is about really.  Actually I can see Washington's
>use of the nickname Redskins as being degrading to all Native American people
>just like some of the names which have been used to describe African Americans.
>But Seminoles?  Then I guess Boston Celtics and West Virginia Mountaineers
>would also be out ... gotta be careful who we offend.  Why even Notre Dame's
>Fighting Irish seems to suggest something about the nature of a group of
>people!  Where does it all end?  I guess we just have to throw the names of
>all types of animals into a big barrel and have offending schools draw one
>to see who their new mascot will be; then pray that these animals never become
>intelligent enough to protest!

	It's not a matter of your opinion, Dave, or the opinion of the
FSU AD about the appropriateness of the name. It is a matter of the
Indians' opinion. Although I will bow to your claim that "Fighting
Irish" is inherently offensive. Then again I'm about half Irish
myself -- so I'll just say: "I object!!!!!!"
	I used to have an opinion close to yours but I have reformed.
There is absolutely no defense for "Redskins" and damned little for
"Seminole", if the Seminoles object.

						soONEr born!!!,
						(and still missing
						 Little Red!!!!)
							--Sid
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