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From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:24 PDT
Subject: Re: Korean diplomacy twds. China
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1473700028:cdp:1473700037:000:1609
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Aug 28 09:24:00 1992


Dear Mark,
thanks for your explanations.


By the way, I won't blame Korea for using loans, I just wanted to illustrate
the difference to Taiwan.

Taiwan now has quite a grudge against Korea and against the PRC, but they will
have to move on. Actually I think, that - on a per capita basis anyway - will
do quite well in the PRC. I don't think, that the diplomatic difficulties
would be an economic hurdle. In contrary, Taiwan's success perhaps can be
explained by the need to replace the double standards of diplomacy with
other kinds of relations.

There is a simple advantage, with which not only Korea has to cope: people
from Taiwan speak and think Chinese.

China now tries on a much larger scale to do, what Taiwan did: economic con-
solidation under authoritarian rule. They have some "laboratories", where
that took place on a small scale, that is Taiwan, Hongkond and - uses as a
reference by Deng Shiao Ping - Singapore  (oops, Hongkong, not Hongkond).
There are some differences between Singapore and PRC however  :-). But China
can use lots of expertise from these regions and surely will not exclude
Taiwan.

I guess, Taiwan will do about US$ 6 billion in the PRC this year, which is
not bad for >20 million people in Taiwan compared to the business of Korea's
>40 million with the PRC.

People in the PRC treat Chinese from Taiwan really like family, I experienced
that myself in business and privatly. So if on both sides of the Taiwan street
no huge mistakes are made, Taiwan's trade with China will be domestic. Korea's
(Japan's, America's, Germany's ...) won't be.

Goetz

Seoul 1992/08/29

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: Jesse
Subject: What a childish talking! (Was Re: LOOK, STUPID TAIWANESE.)
Originator: cyen@ponder.csci.unt.edu
Organization: Computer Science Dept .of UNT
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 09:57:40 GMT

>txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ), Rochester Institute of Technology
>writes:
>
>>Dear Korean Airlines Pilots,
>>Fly carefully, do not be shot down by anybody's missile AGAIN.
>>R.O.C. Air Force
>>(Just for entertainment)
>
>
>Dear Taiwanese Fighter Plain Pilots:
>
>We Korean Airlies have loaded air to air missle to shut down ROC fighter
>plains around ROC cost.  GO AHEAD KIDS !  WE WILL MAKE OUR DAY !!  Our next
>mission is blow up the tiny island that is attached at the end of PRC tail.
>
>Korean Airlines Pilots
>(This is not for just entertainment)

(deleted..)

I don't know what would happen if these two guys meet together.
A fighting with missles? It must be greater than T2.

Don't attack each other emotionally because of terminating relationship
between S. Korean and Taiwan.

Hasta la vista, baby!

Jesse 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Anitesh Barua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: ROC's Korean Bashing
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:35:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.78652
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

I have been a read-only netter for a long time but this time, I can not help posting my opinion about ROC's korean bashing.  Many friends from Taiwan have exposed their unrefrainded hurt feeling by the recent diplomatic develoment between two countries.  Some of them were so proud of their economic superiority to Korea.That's the real reason why I want to say something. 	
As a businessman, before I left Korea, I visited Taiwan in 1989. At that time,	Korean economy was in turmil by unprecedent labor disputes and enormous pressure from US for open domestic market.  We, both taiwanese and korean businessmen, had worried a lot about uncertain economic situation.  However,at that time,	I found the very reason why taiwan economy had competitive advantage over korean's. That's just the fact that there is China behind Taiwan.  I had visited many PC motherboard manufacturers in Taiw


an. Alomst of them had been taking advantage of cheap labor from mainland.  Since then, I have dreamed such opportunity for korean economy, either mainland of China or North Korea. Many koreans have compared and admired Taiwan Economy which is believed to base on large number of flexible small or medium sized companies. However, from my experience, I think the real driving force of taiwanese economical success is the huge reservior of cheap labor in mainland china. In short, I support Korean government dec


ision without any reservation.  I hope Korean government can guide/help many korean small/medium companies not to miss this chance. This will be a good model of future economic coorporation between South and North Korea. 
Another point is that accusation for not giving much time to Taiwan government seems groundless to me. Even in 1989, there was strong anti-Korean sentiment in Taipei because Korean have shown clear intention to switch its diplomatic tie. When Korean basketball team played there, Many taiwanes threw tresh to them and.  As far as my memory serves well, It has been more than decade since Korean government began to knock the beijing's door. So taiwanese press and government have been prepared and nervous at ev


ery movement of Korean government. 
In addition, I dare to advise to one Germany gentleman in Korean who is eager to pic up every dark side of Korea based on philosophy of western supermacy. Now, we hear Neo-Nazis attact against foreigners with applauding residents. Can you generalize this incident to common or inherent characteristics of Germany? 
Byungtae Lee 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:4131 soc.culture.asian.american:8719 soc.culture.asean:5908
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:31:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.072745.7388@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
{stuff deleted}

   The Empress Dowager obtained their execution.  Every single one
   of them died--in vain.

You might be interested to know that the Ching dynasty was Manchurian and was
never "Chinese" or "Han" per se.

--
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Merrill Lynch,			  	| Wherever they're sown,
World Financial Center, North Tower, 	| Just I should be sought.
New York, NY 10281-1315.	  	|		- K. Y. Tan, 5 Feb 1992
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From: shin-jungshik@CS.YALE.EDU (Jungshik Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: An alt.korean.text anyone ?
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:33:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Sep4.193311.19936
Organization: Yale University

In article <1992Sep04.032621.21638@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.173000.11278@news.acns.nwu.edu> park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park) writes:
>
>	Well, I don't know what ISO Hangul is but it must not
>	be using the sign-bit; then, how will it be differentiated
>	with ASCII.
  As I posted before, ISO encoded HANGUL (ISO HANGUL is somewhat misleading
because it is not ISO standard,but it's made by Uhhyung Choi and for 
transmitting KS 5601 code via e-mail.)  code is simple. In KSC 5601 code,
both MSBs of 2bytes to represent one HANGUL letter are set 1 to signify that
both bytes are HANGUL code. But, to send mail over network, every byte is to
be in 7bit rather than 8bit. Hence, the code used in HANGUL mailing stripps
1 in MSB out of KSC 5601 and insert SI(ascii 0ex) before HANGUL to denote that 
all bytes after it are HANGUL until SO(ascii 0fx) appears. And, it seems to
insert 4 bytes ,'1b,24,29,43'(in Hex) the first time HANUGL occurrs.

  You can see this point by examing following sample of KSC 5601 and 
ISO-encoded KSC.


  1. KSC 5601 with many 8bit char.s    


0000000  0a20 2020 0a0a 2020 2020 b0f8 c0c7 20c3
0000020  e6b5 b920 b8f0 b5a8 bfa1 20b4 ebc7 d8bc
0000040  ad0a c0da b7e1 b8a6 20ba cec5 b9c7 cfbc
0000060  ccb4 c2b5 a52c 20c1 a6b0 a120 c0db b3e2

  2. ISO encoded KSC with all MSB set to 0

					      Note that B0->30	
0000000  0a20 2020 0a0a 2020 2020 1b24 2943 0e30
                                  ^^^^^^^^^ ^------HANGUL begins here.
                                  ISO-encoded
                                  KSC signature(?)
KSC  --->f8c0 c7     ^^:Hangul begins again
0000020  7840 470f 200e 4366 3539 0f20 0e38 7035
                ^----Hangul ends here.
0000040  283f 210f 200e 346b 4758 3c2d 0f0a 0e40
0000060  5a37 6138 260f 200e 3a4e 4539 474f 3c4c

>	Anyway, let me download hcode and look into it.
>	And see if it can take any form and pick up ISO/ASCII
>	and do the correct action automatically: i.e.
>	show normal mail as normal; show Hangul as hangul
>	w/o any pre-knowlede of the format.

  hcode is not specifically made for encoding/decoding of KSC code into/from
 ISO conformant code.  It can be used for any hangul code by adding one's
own code to 'include' file and compiling it again. Anywway, I don't think  
it has problem telling English mail from Hangul mail in ISO-encoded KSC.
By the way, there are programs for that purpose only, iso2ks and ks2iso.

  Jungshik Shin
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:4058 soc.culture.asian.american:8640 soc.culture.asean:5843
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Everybody is a sexist (was Re: Chopstick-cu-ge-ci-fe)
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:12:59 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Aug29.010556.3398@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>, u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) writes:
> 
> So, how does the Yanomamo compares to the s.c.korean and other asian
> cultures as represented by Jung S. Lee?
> 
  I don't know. Perhaps you can tell me. Enlighten me please.
> 
> -Num

Jung S. Lee

			
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin-jungshik@CS.YALE.EDU (Jungshik Shin)
Subject: Re:  Iyagi
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:01:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.002036.3259@ducvax.auburn.edu> kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:
>Iyagi is of use in USA?
It's of great use in connecting to the KOREAN Internet BBS',ARA,KIDS,and
SNU.Most of articles there are in HANGUL so that you need HANGUL facility to
read them.  Addressed of Korean BBS' are following.

   ARA: ara.kaist.ac.kr. ,login:bbs
   KIDS : kids.kotel.co.kr. , login : kids
   SNU : sun330.snu.ac.kr, login: bbs

 You can use either 'rlogin' or 'telnet' from a Internet host.

 More than that, I heard that there's a Korean BBS in New York.

  

  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Open letter to Mr.Rokho Kim (2)
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:28:00 GMT

In article <86923@netnews.upenn.edu> dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong) writes:
>
>I was pointing to your statement:
>
>"Chinese History books are notorious for......"
>
>That was what I blasted you for.
>
>That was the wrong opinion you had which prompted my givingyou the f-word.
>

It is interesting. Denny kept saying that the f-word posting was mistakenly
sent to s.c.k.  But I remember seeing the above statement of Mr.Woong-ki 
Chong. (I even pointed out your mis-spelling of his name as Woong-li, though
you kept using it..).
Maybe you didn't know Mr.Chong's article was crossposted (or was it?..I didn't
know it was posted to s.c.j). 
I remember you replied to the above saying Korean history books wouldn't
show such and such things related with China.. for the case you didn't get
reply (since you didn't say anything about mine at all at that time),...
Sure they (Korean history books) do..

Anyway, this word blaming is getting ugly, isn't it? 
>Denny.
> 


-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim                                                         
         kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu  // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 
Dept. of Economics, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218               
..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: An alt.korean.text anyone ?
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:34:48 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep2.174652.23097@news.yale.edu> shin-jungshik@CS.YALE.EDU (Jungshik Shin) writes:
>        Really? It's strange because regual vi ignore MSB as far as I know.

	No, it doesn't; and that's why you get lots of junk
	when you 'vi' bin file; what matters is if you can pass the MSB
	thru your shell/tty/vi-command-set(or Hot-key-def if you have)
	to 'vi' or not; well, I can guarantee L1-A in your Sun won't
	get to vi until you modify eeprom.

	And I don't think Sun did something in their /usr/ucb stuff;
	neither my 'tcsh'.
	Your tty does if your istrip or cs7 is on.
	I've been away from /bin/sh or /bin/csh ever since
	tcsh/ksh came out but I think you'll get the same result
	with /bin/sh or /bin/csh.

	As I type in insert mode with hangul mode, I can type
	hangul character (2 bytes); and as I complete 2 bytes,
	it will show as hex-sequence in insert mode.

>You only have to set PAGER and EDITOR properly. 

	Aha! Pipe!
	Is there any institute that governs such thing in Korea?
	If so, is there any standard algorithm or I/O spec?
	If so, what's the standard encoder/decoder pair?
	I guess it's not using uu(en/de)code alogorithm and
	should be able to detect English & encoded Hangul(?).
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu	I don't speak for Sprint.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:4170 soc.culture.asian.american:8809 soc.culture.asean:5956
From: phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Open letter to Joe Dwight (was Re: Freedom of Speech)
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:44:58 +1000
Organization: Monash University - Melbourne. Australia.

In article <1992Sep3.022731.20269@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> 
> [More stuff about "Chinese-cu" deleted.  Example follows : ]
>
> We Americans must "teach" the Chinese-cu that they must respect the
                                ^^^^^^^^^^
> rights and freedoms (including the right of self-determination) of 
> people.  We must back up our commitment with the full arsenal of Western
> and Northeast Asian military technical might.
> 

Dear Joe Dwight,

Are you ignoring me?  In a previous psoting I asked some questions about
your definition of "Chinese-cu".  I will re-iterate them just in case
my previous posting did not arrive there :

Do you agree with Ms. Hong's assesment that YOUR "Chinese-cu" is the
same as the "Chinese-fe (Feudalism)" she described?

If you don't agree then

(1) What is YOUR definition of Chinese-cu?
(2) Please indicate the personality-profile of a Chinese-cu (i.e. what they
    think/believe, how they act, examples of infamous people etc)
(3) How prevalent is it ? (i.e. out of all the Chinese-ge in the world, how
    many practice it?)
(4) Where are the main groups of Chinese-cu?
(5) State anything else that would help others understand what you mean.

Please answer these questions with an open posting to clear up this
(very muddied) issue so that bandwidth isn't used in unnecessary
argument/flaming.

> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Seikatsu no imi wa nan desu ka.            \|  |`      | Don't buy from Toyota;
> Shitte itara oshiete kuremasen ka.          | -+-      | especially, don't buy
>                                            /| / \      | from Capitol Toyota in
> Copyright 1992.                                        | San Jose, California.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Regards,

        Don Lowe
--
Department of Physics, Monash University, Melbourne, Australia, 3168.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: One question to netters from ROC ..
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:21:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.105357.3674@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>
>	   if you make some sacrifices so that your best friend
>	   can achieve his "ultimate goal", would you help
>	   him by making the sacrifices? 

Yes.  If he is my best friend.  And if the sacrifice does not involve
something more important such as getting back my long lost brother.

James Choi
From: jwp@panix.com (JongWoo Park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Samsung America e-mail address
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:46:32 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

My Samsung VCR broke down and I need a part.
Does anyone know the tel. number for Samsung America?
Is anyone from Samsung reading this?
Or an E-mail address?
Thanks for any help.
-----
Jongwoo Park                                             jwp@panix.com
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:4161 soc.culture.asian.american:8796 soc.culture.asean:5949
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:22:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: udel.1992Sep3.172206.12446
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <87833@netnews.upenn.edu> dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Michael DWC Wong) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.022731.20269@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>We as Americans (and Asian-Americans) should strongly support the
>>principles of the Bill of Rights.  As a consequence, we should strongly
>>support the RimPac92 military exercises, in which Japan will participate
>>for the very first time with S. Korea and the USA; these nations should
>>do everything in their power to ensure that the Chinese-cu keep their
>>sticks and stones away from Taiwan when it declares independence and
>>away from the rest of Southeast Asia.
>
>Who are you to determine what america needs to do?

The Bill of Rights and RimPac92?  So much for defense of self 
determination.  The U.S.  did not lift a finger while East Timoreans 
were and are being massacred for trying to be independent from 
murderous Indonesia, a country which has no historical ties with 
East Timor.  So it seems that D.Joe would care less for small and 
poor devils unless China's around.  That's no more than what scholars 
might call sort of Pax Americana, what leftist would call American 
imperialism. For D.Joe, a liar, that's superior Western culture.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:4048 soc.culture.asian.american:8634 soc.culture.asean:5839
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Calling Dr. Nordstrom ...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 28 Aug 1992 19:01:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


	eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
	> These are conclusions on parallel behaviours. He actually 
	> presented that if someone can kill an entire group of people 
	> without any remorse, they are called savages, which is what a 
	> savage, barbarian, baboons literally mean.

Yet Dwight doesn't say the same thing about the Japanese when the subject
of the Nanking massacre comes up. Or even the most recent recollections
of Japanese cannablism (something that I never knew happened).
 
	> he uses the term chinese-cu and I'm sure there are a lot of 
	> genetically pure chinese who do not behave like the chinese-cu, 
	> and you must agree with that.

Dwight's view of Chinese culture is one-sided and incredibly biased. For
those of us raised with Chinese values, it is insulting when he says that
Chinese culture is barbaric. He insults me when he says Chinese culture
is savage. Chinese values are what taught me the importance of education,
respect for the elderly, being a caretaker for the elderly and nuturer for
the young, and familial ties not only to your immediate family but to all of
the extended family.
 
Now he'll say that those are not Chinese cultural values when they most
certainly are. I'm not saying they're exclusively Chinese but they are
part of Chinese culture. 

	Melinda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:53:32 GMT

In article <ges.25.0@boris.net.com> ges@boris.net.com (G.E. Song) writes:

    .......
|
|I know Dwight's postings have put many chinamen on the defensive. Initially,
|I felt defensive too. Dwight could have said what ever he wanted to say in


Not me, mate. In fact, I now know what the Jews feel during all those
years. I have seen a living example of Neo-Nazi bigotry in Dwight Joe.

|a much nicer way. Perhaps, then, there won't be so many chinamen whose minds 
|have switched to defense mode. Take a step back and analyze what's been said.
|Perhaps you feel offended because you have never insulted with chinese 
|insults and you never heard anyone do it. If that is the case, I am sorry
|if I have offended you. I have never insulted anyone in chinese. However, I 
|have not been as fortunate as you because I have heard chinese insults many 
|times.I have sickend each time I heard it. I usually tell people who don't 
|speak or understand chinese that if a chinaman says something to them in 
|chinese, they should smile politely and say "Same to you" evertime.

By the way, I have also heard white Australians insulting Chinese
English students here in Australia in English. Not only once, a 
couple of times. And, most of the time the 'insultee' does not know
what the 'insulter' said to him because of the amount of slangs in the
language.  Fortunately, I can still maintain my common sense
and a lot of my friends are white Australians, they are great guys
to be friends with. I will not make the same generalisation as
what you have done w.r.t Chinese. Pity you can;t do that
 



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|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________| 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Employment Opportunity
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 03:16:13 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug26.155449.14215@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>>An equal opportunity employer. 
>
>An innocent question with no hidden agenda: What "equal opportunity
>employer" means with a Korean company based in Korea (notice that
>email adress and #phone)?

	Probably, equal only within equal group/class/academic-degree/...
	if they are really treated equally.
	I wonder the equality goes over to the different
	class/sex/academic-degree/.....

	Just my impression.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu	I don't speak for Sprint.
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