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From: pepper@shell.portal.com (Angelique N Wahlstedt)
Subject: Re: Teacher sends thanks
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:35:21 GMT

In article <DEAF-L%92121115552169@SIUCVMB.BITNET> "Cathy Brandt" <CBRAN00@UKCC.UKY.EDU> writes:

>Well, I have heard it said that PL 94-142 was the worst thing that ever
>happened to deaf kids.  But, we must face the fact that more and more families
>are going to want to keep their kids at home.  That means that the public
>school IS going to be educating deaf kids.  IMHO the best thing that deaf
>adults can do then is to be a positive influence and help develop strong
>programs within public education.  The FACT is that not all deaf kids are going
>to be brought up in residential environments within a deaf culture.  So, if
>this is critical to their self-esteem and their education we must find ways to
>provide them with it in the public school.

Some people probably will flame me for saying this, but I agree with ya.
My parents didn't want to send me away to the state school because I was
an only child, and as Mom once put it, "I did not have a child just to send
her away to schoo." So I went to public schools instead, even though the
quality of education where I lived was so-so. (Some of this was before PL
94-142 was passed.) So, my folks supplemented my education with a lot of
tutoring (especially in English) at the local university.

I know that many deaf people didn't benefit from PL 94-142, but I certainly
did, in many ways from education (for example, how many schools for the
deaf have calculus classes? Not many, I suspect) to dealing with hearing
people.

--
Angeli "Ms. Pepper" Wahlstedt (pepper@shell.portal.com)

"If nobody else was violent, I could conquer the whole stupid planet with
just a butter knife." - Dogbert
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From:         "Cathy Brandt" <CBRAN00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Teacher sends thanks

Well, you all did an excellent job!  Want to plan my other units for me?  You
could make my life lots easier!  :)

We are beginning to research now and try to find material on each of these
people.  We also are going to start a collection in the library regarding Deaf
Culture etc.  We currently have several story books about deaf children or
books for children about sign language.  But, we don't have a lot of info on
deaf adults, the culture or current events.  This has spurred us to a new
project.  We are lacking in this area.  In the past we have gotten info from
neighboring universities or the school for the deaf.  But, it is high time we
start to build a collection of resources of our own.

See how well you are doing educating the educator!  While I may have strong
opinions and viewpoints and am not willing to buy into every theory that is
proposed - I do have an open mind and am willing to learn.

Well, I have heard it said that PL 94-142 was the worst thing that ever
happened to deaf kids.  But, we must face the fact that more and more families
are going to want to keep their kids at home.  That means that the public
school IS going to be educating deaf kids.  IMHO the best thing that deaf
adults can do then is to be a positive influence and help develop strong
programs within public education.  The FACT is that not all deaf kids are going
to be brought up in residential environments within a deaf culture.  So, if
this is critical to their self-esteem and their education we must find ways to
provide them with it in the public school.

And it is my opinion that this could be the best of both worlds because they
are learning to deal and live within the hearing world while learning and
experiencing the benefits of the deaf culture.

Enough of that.  Thanks again for the info.  You all are a wonderful resource.
And, thanks for the Christmas cards I have received.  We will be making and
sending ours next week.

Cathy - teacher of children who are disappointed because we don't have snow!
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From: vin@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Vincent Cawley)
Subject: March of Washington for Gay/ Lesbian Bisexual Rights
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:24:33 GMT


Are there any deaf people reading this who are also going to the 
March on Washington for Gay, Lesbian and Bisexuals in April?

I'm learning sign (4 courses) and I want to hang out with any 
deaf gays and lesbians.  To talk, send me e-mail at:
vin@alumni.colorado.edu.

V
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From:         Elaine <EGALE@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Character Sketch
              16 Dec 1992 18:20:20 -0500 from <skwersky@ACS.BU.EDU>

Hey Dawn --


WELCOME TO DEAF-L!!!


Elaine   (see you over break if you are going home to you know who...)
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Dennis L. Burrows, Ph.D.                  mfdlb@ecnuxa.bitnet
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From:         Seth Gordon <sethg@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Deaf/Hearing?
              26 Nov 1992 21:13:47 -0800 <9211270515.AA16516@silver.lcs.mit.edu>

    I really just want to ask a simple question, but I don't want to
    offend anyone.  What I want to know is why "deafies" are so hard to
    become friends with?

Some deaf people--at least, during the times you see them--are probably
more interested in socializing with people like themselves, i.e., other
deaf people, than people different from themselves, i.e., hearing
people.

This doesn't make your life or mine much easier, but they have the
right to make that choice.

    What I have noticed with the Deaf, is that you are readily excepted or
    you are just ignored or forgotten.

Perhaps you can spend more time with the Deaf people who readily
accept you.  Or look for Deaf people who share other common interests
with you.

    I would think that language barriers are made to be broken?

Unfortunately, most people--deaf and hearing--don't seem to believe this.
--
seth gordon ... <sethg@silver.lcs.mit.edu>   ... .sig under construction;
mit bs '91  ... learning ctr 4 deaf children ... pardon the inconvenience
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From: pepper@shell.portal.com (Angelique N Wahlstedt)
Subject: Re: The deaf in communication
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:23:52 GMT

In article <DEAF-L%92121019160316@SIUCVMB.BITNET> Kimberly Laird <LAIRDK@ETSU.BITNET> writes:
>In reference to Mark Dessert's note about the use of the huddle to
>prevent "eavesdropping", the version I heard was that the huddle
>was developed to prevent deaf players from figuring out what their
>opponents were going to do. I've never heard specifically if this was
>Gallaudet's football team, or if it was a single deaf player on a
>team.


I'm fairly sure it was the Gallaudet's football team. Last year, the
magazine Sports Illustrated had an article on Gallaudet's football team,
and it did say something about Gallaudet starting the use of huddle. (It
was a good article, in my opinion.)

--
Angeli "Ms. Pepper" Wahlstedt (pepper@shell.portal.com)

"If nobody else was violent, I could conquer the whole stupid planet with
just a butter knife." - Dogbert
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:34:00 CDT
From:         CONLEY%MSUVX2@MEMSTVX1.BITNET
Subject:      RE:P-town ?

>From: Vicki Brown <vlb@cfcl.com>
>Subject: P-town ?

>Vicki Brown    Post Office Box 1269,  San Bruno, CA  94066  USA
>vlb@cfcl.COM    +1 415 873 7842

>In your note to VIncent (well, it was sent to DEAF-L :-) you said
>>  As I said, my plans are not final yet, but, do hope to go.
>>  Maybe we could all meet somewhere in "P-town".

>Was ist das P-town, if I may ask??

>By the way, did you like D.C. on your last trip?  The quilt is really
>something, isn't it?  It needs to be experienced to really be understood.
>Later.
>-- V.

        Hi Vicki,

         Sorry 'bout that.  Guess I should have said Dupont Circle.
        From my last trip, my friends told me if I got a taxi or the
        Metro to go to "P-town", which as what they meant was
        P Street; in the Northwest area of D.C..  Dupont Circle is
        highly renowned for gay establishments, businesses, etc....
         BTW, Washington was absolutely gorgous!  The weather was
        great; we had no problems finding a place to stay, everything
        went great.  Funny, I have never gone anywhere without any
        "luggage" before; all I carried was one of those large
        gym bags and carried it everywhere; although one afternoon
        we did rent one of those baggage compartments in the Metro.
         Did you see the Quilt this time?  You are right about the Quilt,
        "it needs to be experienced"; I must say, this experience has
        truly changed my life!
         Oh, will we see you in D.C. in April??  Huh?
        Come if you can..  As for now,  Au revoir.

                                        Happy Holidays All,
                                        Steven Conlee
                                        CONLEY@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
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From:         "Richard A. Peters" <rap@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: christmas parties?

In Message Sat, 12 Dec 1992 10:50:15 EST,
  "Cathy Brandt" <CBRAN00@UKCC.UKY.EDU> writes:
>...
>I certainly am not forcing    the kids to believe in Christmas.  And frankly,
>at times I have a hard time with teaching so much of the commercial aspect and
>not teaching that it is a celebration of the birth of Christ.  For me this is a
>very important time of year.  It is a time for me to realize all of the many
>gifts God has given me and how very blessed I am.  It is a time for me to be
>grateful that He did send His Son.  But, I don't teach that in my classroom.  I
>...
>We MUST remember before we make sweeping statements about education and what
>SHOULD and SHOULD NOT be done - we must remember that there are individual kids
>in each classroom.  And, no one knows their individual needs like their parents
>and their teachers.  And that is my business - not teaching school - meeting
>needs.
>...
>Cathy - a teacher who is simply trying to meet a child's need to know and under
>stand what is happening around him.

Cathy, I agree with you 100%.  I went through the public school system in
the 1950's before all the paranoia about religion and public schools.  I
learned about Christian Celebrations, I learned about Jewish Celebrations, I
learned about Chinese Celebrations, ...  Not one teacher I can remember said
this is what you should believe, but rather through studying/experiencing
various cultural celebrations, I learned about the diversity of people; I
learned about tolerance and consideration; I learned how to respect people
who were different than I was;  I learned the beauty of celebration and
tradition;  I learned to love and not hate those who are different.

Today there seems to be an attitude of fear about other races, about other
(or any) religions.  This fear is using the changed separation of state and
church interpretation to prevent effective teaching about human behavior and
diversity in the public schools.  I have to wonder whether the increase in
hate and violence in many public schools is not directly related to the lack
of in depth discussions of the various religions resulting in only study of
relativistic value systems.  People fear the unknown.  If we can't learn
about those who are different than us, we will fear them, and if we fear
them we will hate them.

Richard Peters
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From:         "Cathy Brandt" <CBRAN00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Teacher Talk
              18 Dec 1992 19:03:50 EST from <grupidon@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>

>I'm new to this Deaf List so you could probably imagine the awkwardness I am
>experiencing towards using this machine.  Anyhow, I am a graduate deaf student

Hi, Natalie!  I remember very well the awkwardness.  Hope I never forget it.
It helps me better understand how my kids feel when they are trying to learn
something totally foreign to them.  Was a great summer lesson for me as I
really studied how I learned how to do so much stuff that I had no real back-
ground information regarding.  Thanks to a couple of patient, dedicated
mentor/friends I learned the ropes - frankly am still learning about all the
possibilities that exist in the world of telecommunications.

>really curious to ask you about your teaching placement and kids...I assume
>you are teaching in a public school in a self-contained classroom?  How old
>are your kids and how many do you have?  This may 'look' odd to some deaf

Yes, public school.  Yes, self-contained.  But, as the kids are functioning
more and more on grade level we are beginning to mainstream them from my class
room to the regular ed classes (some teachers would argue that their classes
are regular at all!  :) )  I specifically teach ages nine (well the new girl is
eight) to eleven.  I now have five students.  I team with the primary teacher
who has six kids ages five to eight.  So, the kids are all together for an hour
a day.  A great language modeling/peef nurturing situation.  This year I also
take three of the deaf children and go to the fifth grade room to teach math.
The teacher and I team.  When I am doing the main instruction I sign and teach
at the same time.  When she teaches I interpret.  We both work with the kids in
lots of cooperative learning group activities.  The fifth graders are wonderful
and are learning lots of sign.  They understand the kids better than their
teacher some of the time.  But, she is also learning some sign and is wonderful
My kids absolutely adore her - as do I.  She's taught 27 years and frankly I am
in there to learn from her as well.  She is a wonderful teacher.

I won't bore the whole list with more details.  I've detailed the program and
what I do here before.  If you have additional questions feel free to email me
personally.

I think it's great you want to teach in the public school.  Come teach here in
our system.  I just know the way we are trying to move ahead we would be open
and willing to hire a deaf teacher (besides I get to help do the interviews :)
and would be very excited to find an enthusiastic, competent teacher who knows
his/her stuff regardless of their sense of audition.)

Cathy - teacher of children who are too excited that when they come back they
are going to have ANOTHER GIRL in the class!
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Date: Friday, 18 Dec 1992 14:04:37 PST
From: <HARVEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
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Subject: Re: Software for ASL?

I don't know about Mac's because I have a PC, however there is a
group called handicap in the msdos archives and they have several programs
for ASL . You can ftp to either oak.oakland.edu in directory pub/msdos/handicap
 or wuarchive.wustl.edu in directory mirrors/msdos/handicap. There is
also a handicap ftp site at handicap.shel.isc-br.com (129.189.4.184). I hope
this helps. If it confuses you more #8^] then let me know how I can help.

Harold
Harvey@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:37:10 EST
From:         Annie Senghas <annie@PSYCHE.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      christmas parties?

This doesn't really have much to do with deafness, but I'm
surprised to read about all the Christmas activity in the
classroom.  Isn't that illegal?  (Separation of church
and state, and all).  Isn't your (Cathy's) school a
public school?

-Annie
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Date: 13 Dec 92 21:48:00 GMT
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Hi, please sign me up for Deaf issues. Thanks.

Elijah Gold
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:31:27 EST
From:         askwersk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Deaf issues
              13 Dec 92 16:48:00 -0500. <9212160612.AA29465@Athena.MIT.EDU>

Hi Folks!

Elijah is a friend of mine who I am introducing to the list. I didnt know
on-hand how to sign up for DEAFL_L so I asked him to just send that message
which he sent in the hope that somebody would remind the whole net again how
sign up on DEAFL_L (G)


Adam Skwersky

Best wishes for the Holidays.
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:11:13 EST
From:         Annie Senghas <annie@PSYCHE.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      RE:March of Washington for Gay/ Lesbian Bisexual Rig

Vincent asks:
>Are there any deaf people reading this who are also going to the
>March on Washington for Gay, Lesbian and Bisexuals in April?

Well Vincent, I'm not deaf, but I will definitely be there!  If you
are trying to get a hotel booked, good luck... Even though it's a long
time away, most of the hotels are booked already.  I am sure there
will be lots of deaf organizations and clubs there-- there always are
at LGB Pride marches.  The most recent projection I heard is that they
expect 1 million people at next April's march.  That's a lot of
people!  Anybody know how many people per million are deaf?  Assuming
there will be the same proportion of deaf at the march as there is in
society in general, how many deaf people would we expect to be there?
(I know the estimates vary widely, for reasons of invisibility that
people have mentioned before on this list.)

Annie
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Subject:      RE:March of Washington for Gay/ Lesbian Bisexual Rig

>From:         Vincent Cawley <vin@ALUMNI.CS.COLORADO.EDU>
>Subject:      March of Washington for Gay/ Lesbian Bisexual Rights

>Are there any deaf people reading this who are also going to the
>March on Washington for Gay, Lesbian and Bisexuals in April?

>I'm learning sign (4 courses) and I want to hang out with any
>deaf gays and lesbians.  To talk, send me e-mail at:
>vin@alumni.colorado.edu.

>V

        Hi Vincent,
  Just wanted to say that I have not yet made plans for the trip,
  but definitely want to go.  I'm not deaf, but know sign; I would
  also like to see deaf GLB people there.  I did make it to the
  NAMES Quilt display in October; it was absolutely incredible!
  Did you go?
  As I said, my plans are not final yet, but, do hope to go.
  Maybe we could all meet somewhere in "P-town".
  Gotta run.

                                        Later,
                                        Steven Conlee
                                        CONLEY@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:29:28 EST
From:         MARY <MEDAWS01@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      BIG Question

This is going to sound like a REALLY weird request and I'm not sure if
anyone can actually TELL me here what I want to know but I'm willing to
try.  Can someone give me some insight on how to sign the opening
monologue on Star Trek: The Next Generation? The quote is:

"Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship
Enterprise. It's continuing mission--to search out new life and
new civilizations, To boldly go where no one has gone before."

Thanks for ANY suggestions you may have.
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From: chrispy@hardy.u.washington.edu (Chris Prince)
Subject: Re: Deaf issues
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:43:07 GMT

In article <01GS9VP6I90490QO66@northeastern.edu> ELG@NORTHEASTERN.EDU writes:
>Hi, please sign me up for Deaf issues. Thanks.
>
>Elijah Gold

Wow, what is this signing  up thingy?
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From:         "Richard A. Peters" <rap@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Demographics...

In Message Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:14:33 -0400,
  CXLNVD%RITVAX.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU writes:

>Deaf-L readers:  For your information, here are some facts to
>keep in mind when offering one's perspective.
>
>        1.  350,000 profoundly deaf children and adults in the
>nation.  Of these, 65,000 are children.
>
>        3.  990,000 children who are hard of hearing.
>
>        6.  In the Annual Survey of Hearing Impaired Children
>and Youth (1990-1991 school year)  ...  only
>1.3% used sign language alone.

let me be sure I understand, the implications.  As a first approximation if
I assume the demography of the census and Gallaudet study populations are the
same, and if I assume most of those who used sign only were profoundly deaf
as opposed to hard of hearing, then I get 15% to 20% of profoundly deaf
children use sign language alone, which is a little different persepctive.

Perhaps we need a little better breakdown of the data to see what is really
going on.  Anyone want to volunteer?

"There are lies, damn lies, and statistics."

Richard Peters
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From:         Seth Gordon <sethg@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      sex wish (no, not *that* kind)
              27 Nov 1992 13:14:25 EST <9211271820.AA20575@silver.lcs.mit.edu>

[Sorry I've put off replying for so long.]

    Me:
    >   .
    >   .  [Description of treatment to make a sex change]
    >   .
    >I argue that parents should be free to give this treatment to their
    >infant children, if they so desire.  Tell me why I'm wrong.

    Joseph Riolo:
         What you did is in violation of natural development of human
    life.

If a doctor gives anaesthesia to a woman in labor, is that "in violation
of natural development of human life"?  Does that make it wrong?

If a child is born with the most severely deformed face imaginable,
but can still see, breathe, and eat soft foods, is it OK for a doctor
to give that child plastic surgery?

The ancient Greeks thought painted walls and potted plants were "unnatural."

The Chinese philosopher Laotse felt the same way about roads and bridges.
--
seth gordon ... <sethg@silver.lcs.mit.edu>   ... .sig under construction;
mit bs '91  ... learning ctr 4 deaf children ... pardon the inconvenience
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