From: dward@scf.nmsu.edu (Dan Ward)
Subject: Re: Education Regarding Alternative Family Units (Re: The Analogy Be
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Organization: New Mexico State University
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:21:07 GMT

Ted Krueger (krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec27.151922.10864@nmsu.edu> dward@scf.nmsu.edu (Dan Ward) writes:

: >    I agree that people who search through the Bible to find some
: >    phrase which supports their particular form of bigotry are NOT
: >    the kind of Christians I would want my kids around...  Dan 

: Yeah!  That's right!  Can't have anyone judging others.  You know, all that
: Judge not lest ye be judged stuff.  We wouldn't want our children to think 
: that murder, theft and covetousness were wrong now, would we.  You know, 
: I thought that all of our problems would be solved once we got those pesky 
: 10 Commandments out of our classrooms.  Maybe the problem is that they are 
: still hanging on the walls of congress, and, you know, they do open the 
: congress and supreme court with prayer.  Damn!  When will they ever learn?

: Ted

     You know, Ted, I have the feeling a response is probably a waste
     of time - but I'll type reallll slow so you'll have a better chance
     of understanding my point.  First, I am all for teaching my kids
     (and everyone elses) what works and what doesn't work in a social
     situation.  Murder doesn't work in our society.  Being a thief
     is not going to work.  There a lot of things that don't work - and
     I would be remiss if I didn't give my children all the help possible
     in learning what works.  The reason these things don't work is 
     because society is avengeful society.  If you steal - you pay the
     price.  Same for the other laws of society.  (I would recommend 
     an excellent book called "Constructs of Reality" by Berger and
     Lackman.  Gives an excellent description of HOW society makes
     rules."  Second, what I am opposed to is people using the Bible to
     promote their own particular forms of bigotry.   I believe the 
     Bible has great value.  It certainly does to me.  However, I don't
     understand everything in there.  I don't think you do either.
     Therefore, I don't want you telling me what I think/feel/believe
     is wrong because of your interpretation of the Bible.  

     I would like to point out that murder is wrong because someone
     is harmed.  As a result, the harmed person has the "right ?" to
     justice and society has a right to exact justice in order to 
     prevent future reoccurrences.  However, there are some "illegal"
     or "unacceptable" situations where - so far as I can tell - 
     no one is harmed.  An example is a case where a child is raised
     by same sex partners.   The child may have been better off in
     a two-sex home.  But, if you carry this truism to its logical
     point of absurdity - then you will find that most children would
     be BETTER off in another home.  I, for example, would have been
     much better off had I been born to RICH parents.  The fact is -
     the child exist.  While he/ she might be better off elsewhere -
     he/she could be a lot worse off.  For example, homeless.

     And, for what it's worth, how many same-sex parents do you
     know?  I know about 6  couples in my neighborhood.  Most of 
     these parents are active in Parent teacher organization. (That's
     where I met most of them.)  Their kids appear at least as well off
     as other children.  In fact, most are better dressed and appear
     healthier - in body and in spirit.

     If I misunderstood your point - sorry.  But, I think you took
     MY statement out of context.
       
           Dan 
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