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From: sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Big Hawk Sighted
Date: 23 Jul 1992 22:06:21 GMT
Organization: TMC
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <9207231756.AA29426@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, indy@IMMACC.PREPNET.COM (Dave Tartaglia) writes:
|> 
|> Thanks to all for your comments.  From the comments on the net and by 
|> private email, opinion seems divided between red-tail and goshawk.  
|> I am leaning toward goshawk because of the size: about 24 inches in length 
|> and bulky.
|> Some have suggested a juvenile red-tail, which is possible.
|> Could a juvenile red-tail be that large?

A redtail would be about the same size but would look bulkier than a Gos.
The body is bigger but the tail is shorter.
Raptors are about full-size when fledged, by the way, and any bird not 
looking fluffy is more properly called an immature. It may be more than a
year old - I don't know when the adults get their red tail. (in the East,
that is - in the West they often never get a red tail).

Daan Sandee                                           sandee@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation
Cambridge, Mass 02142                                 (617) 234-5044
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Subject: Steve's bird
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:46:11 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

Scissor-tails are regular around Baxter Springs, Ks., and Joplin, Mo., 
not far from Monett.  My brother lives in Springfield.  I'll try to
ask him how frequently he sees them there.  I think that I recall 
that he said that he had seen them.  So, it seems probable to me that
you were in Scissor-tail country, although they wouldn't be common.
If you have the eastern Peterson guide, the Scissor-tail is shown--along
with the other kingbirds.
-- 
Name:     Jim Rising
Mail:     Dept. Zoology, Univ. Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada    M5S 1A1
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Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell)
Subject: Seed for backyard birds
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:44:57 GMT

As novice bird aficionados, we recently put a couple of feeders
in our backyard in suburban Los Angeles.  At first we tried the
"wild bird seed" type of mix sold by most pet and feed stores
around here, but got mostly sparrows at the feeder.  We then
tried some sunflower seeds and got birds a bit more interesting 
-- some house finches, mockingbirds and a couple of spotted
doves.

The sunflower seeds are kind of a hassle, though, because of the
empty shells left on the ground (we don't mind _some_ mess, but
would like to cut down on it a little).  it seems to me that I
read somewhere that hulled sunflower seeds (raw, of course) are
an alternative, but none of the pet and feed stores around here
carry anything like that.  (I also imagine it would be fairly
expensive if I found it.)

Are hulled sunflower seeds in fact a common wild bird food?  Are
there other seeds or foods we might try offering?  Besides the
two seed feeders, we do have one hummingbird feeder that does a
fair business.)  Thanks for any help.

Frank
frank@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov
From: drintoul@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (David A Rintoul)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: feeding station
Date: 29 Jul 1992 08:14:59 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Keywords: Downy Woodpecker, Hummingbird feeder

Baron Briggs asks about other birds using a hummingbird feeder, after
observing a downy woodpecker doing this.  Orioles (Baltimore and
Bullock's varieties) are notorious for this behavior, and can
actually be attracted in reasonable numbers by a few well-placed
hummer feeders.  And when I lived in Palo Alto (CA), the house finches
would also visit and feed from the hummingbird feeder.  One of them
even could hover near a perchless feeder for a few seconds; this
was a first for me...
  
-- 
Dave Rintoul            Internet: drintoul@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Biology Division - KSU     Latitude 39.18, Longitude -96.34
Manhattan KS 66506-4901                         TCN: id2418
(913)-532-5832 or 6663                  FAX: (913)-532-6653
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Crow Behavior
From: butler@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 31 Jul 92 08:57:35 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University


We had a crow that spent much of his time in our garden.  It was funny
because he would get stale french bread from somewhere and would then 
soak it in the birdbath to soften it up before eating it.  He did this
with other `hard' foods he would find as well.  He was also king of the
garden - at the top of the pecking order of about a dozen species of
birds who frequent our garden.  But we haven't seen much of our crow
lately and I've been seeing crows beginning.  

I found this strange because I've always just seen crows alone, in
pairs, or with offspring, not in flocks.  Is this common behavior among
crows for this time of year?  We thought he left because the jays and
starlings were beginning to gang up on him; but now I'm begining to 
think he just went off to look for a mate or to be with his social group.

I'd appreciate any info or comments any of you might have.

Thanks,
-Bob
From: indy@IMMACC.PREPNET.COM (Dave Tartaglia)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Big Hawk sighted
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:31:44 GMT


I work at Immaculata College, about 20 miles west of Philadelphia.  For the
last two weeks I have heard what sounded like hawk cries on my after lunch
constitutional through a woodsy part of the campus.

Today I brought along my binocs and located the bird. It was a big hawk
sitting in the top of a bare tree. It appeared to be about 24 inches long
and barrel shaped with wings folded.  I saw the perched bird from a 3/4 rear
view.

The back was a slightly greyish brown with white mottling. The head was the
same greyish brown.  The underbody looked to be cream white, from the little 
I could see.  The talons and legs were a corn color, thick and very strong
looking. The beak was curved down and perhaps back as well at the very end.
The hawk dove off the perch and almost immediately out of sight behind some
foliage.  The wing shape seemed to short and wide, but that is just a quick
impression.

Back at the office, I looked in some bird books.  The closest thing seems to
be a Northern Goshawk, but all the pictures were from the front.  The 
descriptions fit though. Are Northern Goshawks rare in my area?  One book
indicated so.
--
Dave Tartaglia    indy@immacc.prepnet.com
From: marie@ai.mit.edu (Marie Lamb)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Canada Goose with a Broken Wing
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:35:37 GMT
Reply-To: marie@ai.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

Hi Folks,

I live in Belmont, Mass. and there is a flock of Canada
geese that hangs out by the pond in the back of my building.
One of them has a broken wing.  It seems to be OK for now,
it can walk and eat, but it obviously can't fly.  I called
Mass. Audubon, who refered me to Fish & Wildlife, where a
very nice man gave me the "sometimes we just have to let
nature take its course" talk.

I am unwilling to settle for this, so I thought I would
appeal to the Net.  If there are any rehabilitators out
there who are willing to take in a Canada goose, or if
anyone can refer me to someone who does, please send me
email.  Or, if the consensus is that nothing should be
done about it, let me know that too.  

I realize that Canada geese are plentiful, and may not
be endangered like the raptors, but I'm a softie and
feel that something should be done for the poor thing.

Please forgive the world distribution on this, but I don't
know how to restrict it to just New England.

Thanks for any help,
Marie
From: rickh@ems.cdc.com (Richard Herwig)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: wounded goose
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:12:23 GMT
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

TWIMC,
 Sorry about not giving the number to the Mn Raptor Center!
612-624-474
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: aw@bnr.co.uk (Alan Wilkinson)
Subject: Re: Indonesia/Maylasia
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:42:50 GMT

In article <l6r4hiINN86d@news.bbn.com>, lgoodman@BBN.COM (Laurie Goodman) writes:
> Am seeking information about birding locations in Indonesia
> and Maylasia. Are there particular nature reserves that should
> not be missed? Suggestions for nearby accommodations will be
> greatly appreciated.

In Bulletin no.15 of the Oriental Bird Club there is an article by
Bas van Balen about Gunung Gede-Pangrango National Park (also known
as Cibodas) in west Java. Apparently this reserve contains many Javan
and other Indonesian endemics including Sunda thrush, Sunda robin, Javan 
Tesia, White-bibbed and Crescent-chested Babblers, Yellow-throated hanging 
parrot, Brown-throated and Orange-fronted barbets, Sunda bulbul, Sunda 
minivet, Spotted Crocias, Blood-breasted flowerpecker, Pygmy tit, Javan 
fulvetta, Rufous-tailed fantail, Spotted fantail, Javan kingfisher, Sunda 
forktail, Sunda whistling thrush, Salvadori's nightjar, Javan scops-owl, 
Javan cochoa, Horsfield's thrush, Chestnut-bellied partridge, Sunda 
wedge-tailed green pigeon and Javan Grey-throated white-eye. Species 
such as Volcano swiftlet and Javan Hawk eagle are found nearby.

It is apparently one and a half hour's car drive from Jakarta to the park 
gate at Cibodas botanical gardens. Alternatively, buses from Bogor to Bandung
pass the village Cimacan from where a minibus takes visitors to the park hq.
Permits are obtainable during office hours on working days.

Accommodation is available in the form of a Youth hostel 200m from the 
park gates (shared room about US$1, or at the Botanical Gardens guest-house 
costing about US$10 per room.

The article describes in detail where to look for the above mentioned species.

You can contact Bas van Balen and his colleague Paul Jepson who works for the
International Council for Bird Preservation (ICBP) at P.O. Box 212/Boo,
Jl. Cilosari Block BXII, Bogor Baru, Bogor 16001, Indonesia. Paul has openly 
invited visting birders to contact him.

To obtain the OBC bulletin you would need to contact
The Oriental Bird Club, c/o The Lodge, Sandy, Beds, SG19 2DL, UK.

(If you have read this far!) you might be interested in joining the OBC.
They have the aim to:
- encourage an interest in the birds of the Oriental region and their 
conservation,
- liaise with and promote the work of existing regional societies
- collate and publish material on Oriental birds.

Subscription fees are 12 UK pounds per year, for which you receive the journal
Forktail annually and two bulletins both with up-to-date reports of oriental
sightings, conservation/biodiversity issues, identification and classification
discussions, and a fair number of colour illustrations and photos.

OBC annually facilitates the distribution of grants for surveying parts
of the Orient, particularly to birders living in those Oriental countries.

Alan Wilkinson.
From: trekka@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Valerie Shahan)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: birding "blinds"
Summary: does anyone have any ideas on how to construck a bi ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:40:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Jul24.234035.22183
Organization: Western Washington University

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Does anyone have any ideas on how to construck 
-- 
Valerie Shahan    <trekka@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
From: Joe.Morlan@f501.n914.z8.rbbs-net.ORG (Joe Morlan)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Big Hawk Sighted
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:27:00 GMT


       ***** On 07-23-1992, Daan Sandee wrote to All *****

DS> Raptors are about full-size when fledged, by the way, and
DS> any bird not looking fluffy is more properly called an
DS> immature.

Actually what most folks call the "immature" is actually the
"juvenal" plumage in raptors.  It is normally retained until the
1st spring and then there is a protracted full molt during the
summer and by fall the bird is fully adult.  Exceptions to this
are the large eagles which may take six or more years to arrive
at adult (definitive) plumage.

DS> It may be more than a year old - I don't know when the
DS> adults get their red tail.  (in the East, that is - in the
DS> West they often never get a red tail).

Only the "Harlan's" never gets a red tail.  All the others have a
red tail by the 2nd calendar year.

--Joe Morlan, Albany, CA


 * Origin: SeaHunt BBS, San Francisco (415-431-0227) (8:914/501)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.)
Subject: Re: Procedure to bring a pet bird in USA.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: Immigration for birds.
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.180632.23530@schbbs.mot.com>, yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)  writes...
>May be this is a FAQ, but can any body please post
>the procedure to bring couple of Maynas or Parrots
>from an Asian country into USA. Is it worth it?
>The reason for bringing these birds is that it
>is hard to buy a talking bird in my native language.
>With small children in my family I have to start my
>bird keeping adventure with friendly, trained bird.

Consider buying a young bird that has been bred in the United States.
You will be able to teach him/her to talk in your own language.

In this way, you will know that you are not contributing to the purses of 
those who would forcibly remove such a bird from the wild.

Mike



Mike McCurdy			Disclaimer:
VAX Systems Management		     
San Diego State University		"Everything I say may be wrong."
mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu  	

Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: rickh@ems.cdc.com (Richard Herwig)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: spotting scopes
Keywords: spotting scopes
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:21:47 GMT
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

Anybody out there got a suggestion/warrining about a good spotting
scope.  I'm goin' to Alaska the end of this month and would like
to get one B4 I go.  I'll spend what I have to!  A scope with
the capability of attaching a camera would b nice but not necessary.
(I'm not even sure it's a practical consideration).

TANKS
Rick
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: r0th@ellis.uchicago.edu (Dr. Samuel Conway)
Subject: Re: LadyHawke
Reply-To: r0th@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:47:47 GMT

Ah, Ladyhawke!  One of my favorite movies of all time!

The bird is actually played by a redtail, and from its size I would 
guess that she is a female.  An adult, sure enough, and VERY pretty.

HOWEVER...

The bird has some "stunt-doubles" which are not redtails.

I have watched the scene where the bird is shot with the crossbow bolt.
When viewed frame-by-frame, one can tell that the bird that is hit is a
*stuffed* Swainson's hawk (and you can see stuffing explode from the
back when the bolt strikes it).  When the bird is "falling", again if
one views it frame-by-frame, one catches a brief glimpse of a stooping
peregrine falcon.

It was a bit distressing to me that the bird, while being attended to
during its injury, was actually quite frightened and upset.  I suppose,
though, that this would be difficult to avoid, considering how it was
handled!  The bird was giving an alarm call and exhibiting the tongue-
thrusted behavior which we professionals refer to as the "Bleah!  Bleah!
I hate you!  I hate you!" posture.

----
Dr. Samuel Conway         *  "I know that I promised that I'd never steal
Roving chemist, wildlife  *  anything again, Lord...but I also know that
rehabilitator, and all-   *  YOU know what a weak-willed person I am."
around nice guy!          *  "Sir, I talk to God all the time, and no of-
r0th@midway.uchicago.edu  *  fense, but he's never mentioned you."
From: ibetts@Ingres.COM (Irvin Betts)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Bird Seed Recipe!!! Backyard Birds!
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:26:10 GMT
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink) writes:
: Today I decided to do something nice for our avian friends:
: 
:    I simply melted at least 4 cups of shortening on medium heat.
:    While it's melting, I "borrowed" 2 cups of parakeet food from 
:    my budgies, added 2 slices of crushed and grinded wheat bread, one
:    English muffin, and 2 millet spray trees, grinded. I mixed all the
:    food, then when the fat is all melted, pour immediately on the seed,
:    in a metal bowl, and then mix it up a little - put in the freezer
:    for an hour and half, then move it to the refrigerator for another
:     2 hours or so, then when the fat hardens, scoop it all out and
:    place on a paper plate. Shape it if you like, and put it outside
:    and watch the birds crowd each other for a tasty morsel.
: 
: - Scott
: 
: -- 
Another good way to present it is when the fat is still soft - scoop it
into a couple of pine cones that are fully open (sugar pines work well)
then hang them on a tree (or off the house) - that way the food is off 
the ground.  The birds love the challenge of getting to the food and they
are fun to watch.

 -- Irvin
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis)
Subject: Re: Steve's bird
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:43:44 GMT

 I was near Monett, about an hour and a half drive southwest of 
Springfield.  I would look it up in the Audobon guide, but being a 
student under financial duress...I could only get the eastern region a few
months ago since it was most pertinent to me.

Thanks

Steve

--
srh3@ra.msstate.edu                              Oh, bother.

Steve Hollis                                      ---Winnie-the-Pooh
From: indy@IMMACC.PREPNET.COM (Dave Tartaglia)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Big Hawk Sighted
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:54:39 GMT


Thanks to all for your comments.  From the comments on the net and by 
private email, opinion seems divided between red-tail and goshawk.  
I am leaning toward goshawk because of the size: about 24 inches in length 
and bulky.

Some have suggested a juvenile red-tail, which is possible.
Could a juvenile red-tail be that large?

Others have mentioned that a goshawk would not likely be in the same area
for as long as two weeks.  I have not sighted the bird again, but I have 
heard more hawk cries.  Possibly as many as three individuals at once. 
The cries sounded slightly different so there may be more than one type 
of hawk in the area.  I'm not sure if the cries I first heard actually
belonged to the bird I saw.  I'll keep my eyes open...
--
Dave Tartaglia    indy@immacc.prepnet.com            
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: r0th@ellis.uchicago.edu (Dr. Samuel Conway)
Subject: Re: Another baby bird situation
Reply-To: r0th@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:36:59 GMT

I would indeed offer a suggestion, but the last time I attempted to explain
my experiences with baby birds as a wildlife rehabilitator, I was flamed
incessantly for days by people who know better, both netwise and via email.
If one would wish to contact me over email, I would be happy to offer
what I know.  Otherwise, I'll keep my trap shut.

----
Dr. Samuel Conway         *  "If the guest isn't singing, 'Oh What a Beautiful
Roving chemist, wildlife  *  Morning' I don't immediately think, 'Oh, there's
rehabilitator, and all-   *  another one snuffed it in the night!'  Another
around nice guy!          *  name in the Fawlty Towers book of Remembrance.
r0th@midway.uchicago.edu  *  I mean, this is a hotel, not the Burma Railway!"

Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis)
Subject: LadyHawke
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:31:15 GMT

Anyone who has seen the movie "LadyHawke" please answer a question for me.

Is this bird a mature red-tail.  That is what it looks like to me, but the
body especially the underside looks rather dark.  I know the coloration
is very diverse in this species.  I am just curious because it is a cool
looking bird.


Thanks

Steve


--
srh3@ra.msstate.edu                              Oh, bother.

Steve Hollis                                      ---Winnie-the-Pooh

Newsgroups: rec.birds,rec.guns,rec.hunting,rec.pets.birds
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: St Louis Birding Groups
From: markw@dranet.dra.com
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:35:34 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Data Research Associates, St. Louis MO

I am looking for birding groups in the St. Louis area.  Please reply directly
to me, as I will be away from NEWS for a while.

Thanks,
Mark Wahrenbrock
MARKW@DRANET.DRA.COM
From: mike@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Mike W. Burger)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: No lips
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:43:40 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii at Manoa


	I was watching closely a Myna yesterday.  He (choose one, I cannot
tell Mynas apart) was on a concrete wall on a planter and pecking furiously
at the concrete surface.  I guessed he was after ants and hoped I would
observe anting.  No attempts at anything like anting were observed over
many minutes.  However, he would frequently wipe the side of his bill
on the edge of the planter.  It became obvious that he was rolling
half grabbed ants into his mouth.  I had not considered that birds
have no lips to aid in feeding.  This one was clearly wiping his bill
not to clean it, but to roll the ants which were half in and half out
into his mouth.  He ate quite a lot of them.  I guess birds occassionally
like spicy foods also!   I went over after he left and examined the
wall.  He was indeed right in the middle of a trail of very disturbed
small black ants.

	BTW can you tell Mynas apart?  They are always in pairs or
triples if a juvenile is around.  I even saw one pair that had gotten
into some poison together, roosted together in a known roosting tree
and died from the poison over night.  They were side by side on the
sidewalk the next morning where they had fallen together.
From: sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Big Hawk sighted
Date: 21 Jul 1992 18:57:53 GMT
Organization: TMC
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <9207211832.AA19726@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, indy@IMMACC.PREPNET.COM (Dave Tartaglia) writes:
|> 
|> I work at Immaculata College, about 20 miles west of Philadelphia.  For the
|> last two weeks I have heard what sounded like hawk cries on my after lunch
|> constitutional through a woodsy part of the campus.
   [..]
|> The back was a slightly greyish brown with white mottling. The head was the
|> same greyish brown.  The underbody looked to be cream white, from the little 
|> I could see.  The talons and legs were a corn color, thick and very strong
|> looking. The beak was curved down and perhaps back as well at the very end.
|> The hawk dove off the perch and almost immediately out of sight behind some
|> foliage.  The wing shape seemed to short and wide, but that is just a quick
|> impression.
|> Back at the office, I looked in some bird books.  The closest thing seems to
|> be a Northern Goshawk, but all the pictures were from the front.  The 
|> descriptions fit though. Are Northern Goshawks rare in my area?  One book
|> indicated so.

Northern Goshawk is rare but possible, but unlikely to hang around for
weeks in that area. It has an unmarked brown back and is heavily barred below
(except for immature, which is heavily streaked). In all plumages, noticeable
eyebrow stripe.
Much more likely to have been a Red-tailed Hawk, which shows great variety,
but mottled brown back and creamy belly is a good average (Eastern races
commonly have a dark belly band which you would not have been able to see).

Daan Sandee                                           sandee@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation
Cambridge, Mass 02142                                 (617) 234-5044
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