HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: help! My plants are looking a little weak!
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 18:29:29 GMT
Organization: Charnel House Prod.

ricegm@ecf.toronto.edu (George Matthew Rice) writes:
: In a weak attempt to fool everybody Mason Jones writes:
: >
: >BTW, maybe it's just me, but I'd be pretty paranoid about posting such
: >a thing.  If I were growing anything, I wouldn't even be responding to
: >this posting...
: >
: 
: Suuu-rrre you're not growing.  :-?

It's quite true, I'm not.  I'm a rather paranoid guy.  When I was in
college I had a friend with the largest indoor hydroponics garden I've
ever encountered, though, and I picked up a lot of growing tips at
the time from him.


  VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
             Mason Jones           Charnel House Productions
             P.O. Box 170277, San Francisco 94117-0277 U.S.A.
   ...{uunet,sun}!hoptoad!dante!mason   or   dante!mason@hop.toad.com
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz)
Subject: Re: Ecstasy Info Wanted
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 22:39:18 GMT

In article <lamontg.711451302@milton> lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>kimj@sdsc.edu (John Kim) writes:
>>What is the approximate street price range for Ecstasy in the U.S.?
>
>$15-$50 per 100mg (dime) of Ecstasy (most likely cut) around here.
>$15 is if you've got decent contacts. $40-$50 is if you just pick it up
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!  I don't know where you get your "E" from,but 
it's usually or I should say always $20 where I'm at!!! which is the
Bay area!!!! But hey to each his own, Right????????

Apache

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Cancer risk of marijuana
Keywords: Smoking, Tobacco, Marijuana, Health
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:40:12 GMT

In article <3BRmoB3w165w@hacktic.nl> bill@hacktic.nl (Bill Squire) writes:
>Certainly smoking it causes cancer, but since it contains

DAMMIT!  QUIT SAYING THAT!

It is absolutely NOT certain that smoking marijuana causes cancer.  There
has NEVER been a case of lung cancer that has been directly attributed to
smoking marijuana, and there has NEVER been a study that shows any increase
of incidence of lung cancer in marijuana smokers (as far as I know, anyway).

On the other hand, there are a MYRIAD of studies that show smoking tobacco
increases one's risk of lung cancer, despite what the tobacco industry says.

If anyone knows of ANY verified study linking marijuana with lung cancer,
please post it as I would be VERY interested.  I don't believe one exists.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

Self Test for Paranoia:
	You know you have it when you can't think of anything that's
	your own fault.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson)
Subject: lsd baseball rumor
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:31:45 GMT

I'm writing another paper for my psychology class on LSD, and was wondering
if anyone has a reference to that claim that some baseball dude pitched
a no-hitter on acid, or whatever.  (If no reference, at least a name to the
baseball dude what be appreciated.)

thanks

marc
andersom@spot.colorado.edu
From: jimb@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jim Barrera)
Subject: Re: Sci-Fi Drugs
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:11:31 GMT
Distribution: usa

Matt Madsen  <mmadsen@ics.uci.edu> writes: 
> Science fiction novels often have "military drugs" designed to make soldiers
> faster, cooler under fire, more aggressive, etc.  What current drugs could
> conceivably have these effects?  (Is there anything that would increase your
> reflex speed?)

According to articles posted after the Gulf War, the US gave pilots
speed for this purpose.  You know -- The War. On Drugs.

`jimb
From: nilesd@foxx.ucr.edu (niles rowland)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: War on Drugs not to everyone's liking (!)
Summary: Hemp is for more than a buzz!!
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:19:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <1992Jul27.144530.25042@ncsu.edu> Webbge@che17.ncsu.EDU (Greg Earl Webb) writes:
>In article <62827@cup.portal.com>, patrik@cup.portal.com (Patrick M
>Crumhorn) writes:
>> 
>> (JULY 22) COMTEX - SOME AMERICANS THINK THE WAR ON DRUGS CAN GO TOO
>FAR. RURAL
>> RESIDENTS SAY MARIJUANA PATROLS ARE MAKING THEIR LIVES UNBEARABLE. THE
>U-S DRUG
>> ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND LOCAL POLICE ARE INCREASING THEIR USE OF LOW-FLYING
>> HELICOPTERS TO FIND POT PLANTS.  BUT RURAL RESIDENTS SAY THE NOISE FROM THOSE
>> EFFORTS IS SPOOKING LIVESTOCK AND CAUSING CHICKENS TO STOP LAYING EGGS.  AND
>> CRITICS SAY OF THE 139-MILLION POT PLANTS CONFISCATED LAST YEAR, ALL BUT
>> FIVE-MILLION WERE GROWING WILD. 
>> 
>Now just how can they tell the difference between cultivated and wild
>marijuana!  Were the 5 million that were cultivated lead to arrests. 

Greg, I think you asked a good question.  The answer lies in the fact
that people who cultivate mj for sale to poor "reefer addicts" are
capitalists: they grow quality hemp and take good care of their products.
It's obvious by looking at the hemp field whether or not it has been
tended to.

[How]
>were the other 134-million planted?  Naturally or did some hippy run around
>with a bag of seeds and spread the joy to the world????

That is the main problem in trying to eradicate this menace to mankind: it's
a weed and grows anywhere with little or no attention.  Isn't it too bad they
can't make paper, food, or fuel from cannabis sativa?  If that were possible,
we could finally stop the world-wide deforestation, end (or make a huge dent)
in the world hunger problem, and have a "homegrown" renewable energy source
that is ecologically sound.

I recommend "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer for the history and
many uses of the Cannabis Hemp plant.  Copies  can be obtained by contacting
B.A.C.H. (Business Alliance for Commerce in Hemp), P.O. Box 71093, L.A., CA
90071-0093  (310) 288-4152

Mother Earth thanks you for your support!

niles
From: jmctigue@WISSEL.STERN.NYU.EDU (J C. McTigue)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: LSD vs shrooms
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:48:56 GMT


My question:  What sort of experiences have people had with LSD vs shrooms?

I have had LSD three times, and shrooms once.  For me, Acid was very
intensly visual and caused my mind to race with ideas ( = alot of fun),
while shrooms were very mellow and mostly made me feel just a bit odd
(didn't seem anything special).  However, the shrooms were the first time I
had tripped, and it is also possible that I did not have enough.  The
quantitiy I ingested was "half an eighth."
Is this a proper amount?  Do people have different types of trips with
different types of mushrooms?


jmctigue@stern.nyu.edu or try jmctigue@sales.stern.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: First-hand account on what smoking Ice is like:  forwarded
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:56:32 GMT

I regularly point out that aminorex (not very different from
4-methyl-aminorex) used to be sold in Europe as an appetite
suppressant, only to discover that it caused an alarmingly high
incidence of pulmonary hypertension in the women who used it, some
after only brief exposures.  Pulmonary hypertension is a chronic,
progressive and fatal disease, and in these cases withdrawing the drug
had no beneficial effect.  Just a word to the wise...


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Keywords: Smoking, Tobacco, Marijuana, Health
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:03:35 GMT

In article <Bs2MC7.HK4@casper.cs.uct.ac.za> ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G Barrett) writes:
}
}Surely smoking marijuana is at least as potentially dangerous as smoking 
}tobacco?  ...

I recall reading that marijuana contains four or five times as much "tar"
as tobacco.  The "tar" is the carcinogenic ingredient in tobacco smoke.

So far as I know, no deaths have been directly attributed to overdose on
the active ingredient in marijuana (tetrahydracanabinol?).  That's the
statistic most often quoted by the LEMAR crowd.  Also, marijuana contains
no nicotine, which is the addictive ingredient in tobacco.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405 {rutgers|pyramid|philabs|psivax}!ttidca!hollombe
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: All night dance parties (Zombie Ravers)
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:16:34 GMT

malcolm@cs.su.oz.au (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies) writes:

>I think that people generally use low doses which do not precipitate the full
>blown effect, just a peculiar sensation. When it was going around among my
>friends people smoked/snorted/ate it to varying degrees from a mild buzz to
>near catatonia.

How much do K users use at a time?   My guess is that it would take 
about 1/8th of a gram of pure Ketamine to get a short buzz from sniffing
it.

I may be wrong though, or it may be PCP.   Do you know how much is used
at a time or how long it lasts.

JD
From: dl@thumper.bellcore.com (Daniel Liebster)
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Keywords: Smoking, Tobacco, Marijuana, Health
Organization: Morristown Research and Engineering
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 17:55:20 GMT

In article <15868@pitt.UUCP>, geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul28.013619.11668@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes:
|> >"Marijuana has never caused a death" is a factoid that I hear quoted
|> >often.  And I'm not inclined to believe it.  Hasn't even _one_ stoned
|> 
|> I believe Bob Marley died from smoking so much ganga he got lung
|> cancer.
|> 
|> -- 

	Wrong answer! He had a cancer in the foot, and refused treatment.


dan
.
From: dyer@mimosa.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Kenneth C. Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Computers and drugs. (?)
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:16:08 GMT
Reply-To: dyer@mimosa.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Kenneth C. Dyer)
Organization: U.C. Davis,  Electrical Engineering Graduate Division

In article <1992Jul20.100539.10714@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bx461@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Leo J. Mauler) writes:

|
|>Well, I don't know about in general, but most of the computer 
|>programmers and engineers in Silicon Valley are regular users 
|>of hallucinogens, especially the Fractal programmers.  I have 
|>an article lying around somewhere saying this, and that the 
|>inventor of the Plasma Fractal seriously doubts that he could 
|>have made it as good without having used LSD in the past.
|>-- 
|>______________________________________________________________
|>\ bx461@cleveland.freenet.edu (Leo J. Mauler)                 \
|> \ Pro-Choice, Anti-Censorship \ My reality check just bounced.\
|>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|>

This is a bit of a broad statement.  Being in the field (Electrical 
Engineer) and in California, I know many engineers and computer
programmers.  About 50% of the eletrical engineers that I know either
smoke or have smoked MJ.  90% of the computer programmers I know 
smoke pot or have smoked it.  One dude I know writes NOVELL support 
software in C.  That dude smokes it constantly.  

Drug testing tends to be a problem in this field.  Some dudes in this
area are experts in helping folks pass.  MJ and hallucinogens
change ones perspective, sometimes actually solving a problem. Especially
since most of us are writing or designing stuff that DID not exist before.

I am not speaking for myself in the above paragraphs.  Just from experience
with the folks I have met in the area.

-peace-

ken
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From: rand@smartstar.com (Rand McKinney)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Shrooms in tea (?)
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:18:15 GMT
Organization: SmartStar/Signal Technology

I've found that chopping them up in tomato soup (even just Campbells)
works real well.  The strong flavor of the soup masks the bitter
taste of the mushies, and it doesn't seem to reduce the effects any :-)
I found it much more palatable than shroom tea that i've tried.
This is only my experience--no *hard* scientific results...
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: One pill makes you. . .
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 05:01:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

ww1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Spaulding Wood) writes:
: Good to see that people still feel like Salvador Dali:
: "I have never taken drugs,
: Since I am the drug.
: I don't talk about my hallucinations,
: I evoke them.
: Take me, I am the Drug.
: Take me, I am hallucinogenic."
: 

Dali is truly a man with the ability to whip his neurotranmitters into
about any old mix he wants.  Totally insane yet not.  Read his auto-
biographical "Diary of a Genius."  He's not modest, but yes maybe genius.

Bob

-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

Stomp out intolerance!
From: jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Pot/being sterile
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:21:27 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

In <Bs723B.DxB@ais.org> dc@ais.org (David Daniels) writes:

>Anyone out there have information on how long it takes for pot to make you
>sterile? (sp) If so could you please e-mail it to me.  Thanks, Dc

How many children are you planning to have? It makes a big difference
for deciding exactly when to give up pot.
-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: team13@ucs.usl.edu (Mejia Pablo)
Subject: Re: Shrooms in tea (?)
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:46:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul19.112011.6487@klaava.Helsinki.FI> ppennane@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Petrus Pennanen) writes:
]In article <1992Jul18.220252.4295@cs.tulane.edu> derunix@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (james wright) writes:
]>   Recently I've tried brewing tea with shrooms in it.  They were old, dry
]>ones, and we didn't have too many to use, but we still got a pretty good,
]>light trip.  Does anyone have anything more solid than a one time experiment?
]>Does anyone know the soluability of phylisybin(sp?) (is it polar, non-polar?) 
]>or any other reason why brewing it in tea (herbal tea, btw) would reduce it's
]>potency?
]
]According to C.B.Gold's The Mushroom Entheogen, part III (Psychedelic
]Monographs and Essays vol IV ed. Thomas Lyttle), psilocin is not very 
]soluble in water, and it's unstable in solution (especially alkaline 
]solutions). You should add the mushrooms to the liquid and drink
]immediately (swallowing the mushroom powder) if you don't want to waste 
]any of the psiloc(yb)in. Also, some people report headaches and other 
]physical side effects if the mushroom powder sits in the water for more 
]than a few minutes.
]--


  Well, down here in South Louisiana, where the 'shrooms grow wild and free,
  the most common way of preparing them is to chop them up into small pieces,
  put them in water and boil the hell out of them for 20-30 minutes while
  stirring, then strain out the 'shroom pieces with cheesecloth and mix the
  resulting liquid with dry Kool-Aid.  This is usually called 'shroom juice
  or 'shroom tea.  The effects vary with the quantity and freshness of the
  'shrooms used, but from what I've heard about 4 oz. of drink is the
  recommended starting dose.

  Of course, this is all hearsay.  I'd never used illegal drugs myself.
  Really.  You can trust me.


                    Allen (not Pablo) at team13



-- 
First they stole the fourth amendment. I said nothing because I don't deal drugs.
Then they took the sixth amendment. I was silent because I know I'm  not guilty.
When they came for the second amendment, I kept quiet because I don't own a gun.
Now they've come for the first amendment, and I can't say anything at all.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: Webbge@che17.ncsu.EDU (Greg Earl Webb)
Subject: Re: birth control pills
Reply-To: Webbge@che17.ncsu.EDU (Greg Earl Webb)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:08:57 GMT

In article <geR2w1S00WB24FMH9u@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Alan S. Ferrency"
<af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Hello.  Does anyone know of any drugs that have bad effects when used when
> someone is on birth control pills?  I kind of think there's not much danger,
> but I was told to ask, so I will...
> 
> -me
> 
> "Drugnet:  'The FAQs, man, where's the FAQs?"


nicotine.  And from what I've heard steroids can make the pill ineffective.
also be warned that switching prescriptions is enough to throw the body
off and allow pregnancy.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
From: stevea@bullyrag.ugcs.caltech.edu (Steven C. Anderson)
Subject: Re: CENSORED by SIGGRAPH: ( Xochi Speaks ) Psychedelic Educational Media 
Keywords: Psychedelics
Organization: Caltech Undergraduate Computer Science
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:22:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul19.174653.16779@rdg.dec.com> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>
>If the molecular modeling on the poster embodied
>innovative technology in the area of 3-D graphics, perhaps you should have
>concentrated on that in your proposal and left out the bits about Xochipilli
>and psychedelic drugs, neither of which are of any interest to the SIGGRAPH
>audience.
>
>--PSW

Though I agree that the presentation under discussion is inappropriate for
SIGGRAPH, I must disagree with this last statement.  Doesn't Timothy Leary
go to SIGGRAPH regularily?  The fields of computer graphics and psychedelia
seem to mesh so well...

-stevea@ugcs.caltech.edu	Steven Anderson
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From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.sex,alt.privacy,alt.society.revolution,soc.culture.usa,alt.culture.usenet,comp.org.eff.talk,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: Please Feed the Spooks Cascades (rot13)
Date: 17 Jul 92 14:35:52 GMT
Organization: Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York

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 > >>>>>>Re, cyrnfr rkphfr zl vtabenapr, ohg jung ner "pnfpnqrf"?
 > >>>>>           uzzz...V gbb nz ybfg, unf nalbar frra zl funqrf ?
 > >>>>	           hu, guvf vf jrveq, qb lbh guvax vg jvyy snqr?
 > >>>                 Unf nalobql urer frra zl byq sevraq Qnegu Inqre?
 > >> NNEETTU  V'ir pnfpnqrq naq V pna'g trg hc!
 > >SYNETU V'ir noenqrq naq V pna'g trg bc!
 > OYNETU V'ir qrulqengrq naq V pna'g jrg pubcf!
 Fgnegvat gb trg gur vqrn?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr)
Subject: Re: Xochipilli in _Whole Earth Review_ (was Re: 'Xochipilli' censorship
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 19:27:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Jul22.224950.2678@csccat.cs.com> larry@csccat.cs.com (Larry Spence) writes:
>In article <7ffmrbp.rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>>Yeah, don't let the negativity about Xochi Speaks having to do with SIGGRAPH
>>disuade you from it, it is a masterpiece and the little booklet is fine.
>
>Maybe (I haven't seen it), but _$28_?!?  That seems pretty steep.  Between
>the greedy price and all the loose-cannon ideology spewed by LordNose, I
>remain skeptical...

It's $20 + $5 shipping and handling + CA sales tax if you're in
California, so only $25 for you in Texas.  That's really a fair
price for a largish (roughly 36" X 24") color poster and info.
booklet, both of which obviously took a lot of labor and research
to produce.  It will be a collectors item, although I doubt
LordNose!'s claims to get them while they last; I bet they print
more.

Um, I do have some doubts now about the accuracy of the info in the
poster and booklet, since it does say clearly on the poster that
ketamine is orally inactive.  I believe Steve D. when he says it is
orally active.  Everything else looks right, and their description
of "ego-softening" effects for various drugs is quite apt; I'd
never had a proper figure of speech to describe that effect before.
Their warning that users may form inappropriate emotional
attachments under the influence of MDMA (Ecstacy) also shows a lot
of insight.  

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: Home production of Methanphetamines
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:00:00 GMT

u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:

>Good article Steve. Not only is LiAlH4 dangerous and watched,
>it doesn't to my knowledge reduce alcohols. To perform this
>reaction cleanly one needs even more esoteric bits and pieces,
>a tri-butyl tin derrivative springs to mind. Someone let me
>know if there is another method for removing the oxygen:
>inquiring minds want to know. 

I think the preferred synthesis of methamphetamine from 
ephedrine/pseudoephedrine requires hydriodic acid.  I don't think
the reaction can be considered reduction in the traditional
sense although it acomplishes the same thing.  

>Also, I think that removing
>the oxygen gives amphetamine not methamphetamine, so one
>would have to specifically mono-methylate which is also
>a bit tricky. Any comments?

I don't think this procedure can reduce off the N-methyl 
group.  The product is methamphetamine.

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Distribution: usa
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:03:31 GMT

David Vessell writes:
> exposure to a substance does not guarantee addiction.

Depends on the substance and the exposure.

Which is all I said.

-- Jon

Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher)
Subject: Re: Article on Fly-Agaric consumption
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 16:50:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Fly agaric is also the kind of mushroom that Vikings took to enter the
"beserker" state for battle.  The Icelandic name for the fly agaric
contains the word 'berserk' in it.
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