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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:36:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.095432.14794@athena.mit.edu> fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:
>|>    You picked out a small detail and argued with it, instead of debating my
>|> actual point.  My point is that the Amiga is no longer the best game machine 
>|> around, and probably will never be ever again.  So many 386 systems with SVGA
>
>Take a good look at the Subject line you chose.  According to it, you said that
>AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links.  Well, are you prepared to retract that?

   Not at all.  The fact is, people often lump SVGA and VGA into the generic
term 'VGA'.  The statement made by the AmigaWorld reviewer makes the reader
believe that there is no version of Links available for IBM systems that is
better than the Amiga version.  This is a lie.

>Francis

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| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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From: kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:48:58 GMT
Organization: Compos Mentis Software Systems
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Aug26.051922.11991@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

> :CBM bankrupcy?, $21.9M Loss For 4Q, Stock Drops stock dropped $2.25, closing a
> 
> Not likely.  Look closer at what people are saying about it, and I
> mean the financial analysts.  Don't make widespread claims unless
> you're a little informed.  Being a little informed would probably rank
> under reading the Wall Street Journal.  Where they tell you that the
> numbers aren't everything.
> 
> Of course, telling MB that the numbers aren't everything will get you
> nowhere fast.

Well, take some rough figures:  CBM stocks are running around $12.5, right?
It is more than likely, that they will be bought by some other company --
this is in fact a pretty healthy thing for companies of today and is not
necessarily hostile.

If (when) CBM is being bought, stocks will most likely double to around
$25, while several factors will have their influence raise the CBM stock to
around $30-40.

So, if you are really interested, CBM is *NOT* dead and you can make
*MONEY* on CBM.

It requires, of course, some funding to keep up with the great advantages
as well as some common sense in investments, so consult a broker near you,
if you haven't already got one.

This is just a stock broker's point-of-view -- I am making a living on
this, so...


> Marc Barrett has proved himself scum by not retracting that message
> which appeared over 150 posts (under this subject) ago.  I think very
> little of him just for that.  If he'd retracted it, I'd have thought
> much better.

Sure about that?  ;-))


> (: (: (: (: Have you overdosed on smileys today?  Why NOT!?! :) :) :) :) :)
> (: "...and here's Clinton giving the correct spelling of bong-resin..."  :)
> (:	gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu			Gregory R. Block         :)
> (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

-- 
     Jesper Kehlet, Compos Mentis Software Systems -- A Kind Of Magic

        (uunet|pyramid|rutgers)!cbmvax!cbmehq!cbmden!kehlet!kehlet
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
From: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop)
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:56:25 -0600
Reply-To: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Aug27.152935.28954@uwm.edu>, gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:

[ much deleted ]

>: You deep dodo! WHERE is direct slot on A600? 
>
>You don't _NEED_ one.  You've got a PCMCIA slot, a real bus.  Higher
>end systems have PROCESSOR slots, which is a "direct slot" as you put
>it.  A "direct slot" is nothing more than external access to
>motherboard signals.  However, unlike the Falcon, those same systems
>also give you a REAL bus, Zorro II/III.

   Well, PCMCIA is probably best not put in the ranks of a 'real bus'.  It
does not allow such niceties as bus mastership, and has inherent limitations
which cloud defining it as a full expansion bus.  Nevertheless, it does serve
the A600 well in that such a machine will probably not have a market for 
applications requiring a full bus specification given its market.
   Now, as for the 'direct slot' on the Falcon, as you stated that is nothing
special.  It is akin to the processor slots on the A2000/A3000 series, and
even similar to the 'LocalBus' idea gaining precedence in the PC world to
some extent.  As to whether the lack of a true expansion bus will damage the
Falcon has yet to be seen.

                  ----------------------------------------
            LaMonte Koop -- SCSU Electrical/Computer Engineering
 Internet: lkoop@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu -OR- f00012@kanga.stcloud.msus.edu
               "You mean you want MORE lights on this thing???"
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From: nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Date: 4 Sep 1992 11:02:26 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>mskaff@uuisis.isis.org (Mark Skaff) writes:
>>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

>>> I guess someone will proceed to tell me that the Amiga has more colors...
>>
>>But it doesn't... Amiga has 64 colour in 320x200 and 16 in hi-res. It does, 
>>however, have its HAM, which, in my opinion, would hardly classify/compare 
>>with the wonderful true 256 colours on a VGA card.

[ HAM, with eggs too ]

>Of course, this discussion is irrelevant - HAM8 at 800x600 is going to blow
>SVGA well out of the water...

Even 800x600x24bit SVGA?  ;-)

FYI, ATI just release the new Graphics Ultra Pro and + video cards, these 
cards do 1280x1024x8bit 74Hz NI, 1024x768x16bit, 800x600x24bit, the ISA
version is around 2x faster than the old Ultra, 3x faster than the S3, and
the old Ultra is no slouch either, 50,000+ Xstones from what I gather on
the net. MCA, EISA, VL-Bus versions will follow soon, price about the same as 
old Ultra (~$600 MSRP, ~$400-$500 street).

Another note. Gravis released their Ultrasound on 8/31, it should arrive in
stores just about now.  Details of its capabilities are kind of sketchy,
supposedly do 16-channel 16-bit 44.1 KHz sound, or 32 channel 8-bit sound,
has all kinds of neato effects like resampling, amplitude envelope shaping,
voice mixing, etc, all in hardware.  A few people (developers), who have 
seen it described it as a "32-voice MOD machine", seems pretty similar to
Amiga's Paula chip, except with 8x the capability.  Most people regard this
card as revolutionary, especially with a <$200 street price.

I should definitely save up those pennys.  ;-)

Now if only someone will write a demo for a 66 MHz 486, running the ATI
Graphics Ultra Pro at 800x600x24bit playing 32-channel digital music...
of course, this is as likely as someone writing a demo for a 33 MHz 040
Amiga running GVP's EGS with a SunRize 16-bit board.

I can dream, can't I?

-- Nan
From: johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (John J Humpal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Crime Re: Perot ?
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:33:35 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Aug17.222134.16694@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes regarding the efficacy of state-sanctioned murder (a.k.a. death penalty:
>
>It's a simple thing caled 'deterrance'.  If a person think they'll get
>severely punished for doing something nasty, they'll think twice about
>doing it.
>
	Hmm?  Have you any evidence that the death penalty acts as a 
deterrent?  No?  Didn't think so.  The fact is, there is no evidence that
the death penalty (or torture or any other violent coercive mechanism)
acts as a deterrent to crime.
	The simple fact is that the US lacks the will to address the
real causes of crime.  And those causes have a lot more to do with
our economic and social problems than they do with the greed and stupidity
of your average criminal.

	By the way, what is this discussion doing in c.s.a.advocacy?

-- 
-John

John J. Humpal -- johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu -- short .sig, std. disclaimer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Subject: UPDATE: .advocacy POLL
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:56:54 GMT



The consensus so far :

NAME          : Amiga 4000
CPU Location  : daughter board
CPU           : choice with 040 available first
Floppy        : High Density
HD Interface  : IDE
sound         : same
DSP           : no
OS            : 3.0
Price         :$3500


The A8000 with the Motorola 88110 and Dolby HX Pro was interesting but
got few votes.

Email me you answers to these questions.  If you think C= is going to
introduce more than one AA machine answer the above for each.
Some of these categories are close, so send in you informed or
uniformed opinion.


We need a larger sample so email your opinion today.  Go one just hit
whatever key on your keyboard sends an email reply.

Remember this is for FUN. :-)

-- Andrew Hansford
   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:33:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.034729.24084@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
>In article <mykes.0dbb@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>>
>>It would have been nice if a USEFUL notepad application shipped with 2.0x.
>>Every doc file for every PD program and even the readme's for commercial
>>apps SHOULD be done in NotePad, IMO.  Food for thought.
>>
>
>	Why would one want to edit those files ? You have lost me. What you 
>probably mean is that you wish there was something like a ... more ???
>	Well there is one and that's what it's there for.

What he means (sorry if it's not, Mike!) is something like the situation with
MS-Windows, where most PD and Commercial software comes with readme's in
Windows Write format.  The advantage of that over "more" is that you get
different fonts and styles - you can do a little of that with more, but it
doesn't look as good.  More importantly, you can use Write to print these
documents in either your printer's fonts or for really good results you
can use TrueType fonts, particularly with a laser printer.  The upshot of
this is that you get good quality printed documentation if you want it -
something you don't get on the Amiga unless you load the readmes into a WP
and enhance it manually.

>	If you realy need editors, how many more do you need ?
>	ED, MicroEmacs, Edit !

As of OS 2.0, Ed isn't too bad.  The inclusion of MEmacs has been a good
thing, and even Edit is handy for repetitive operations on large files - DOS
provides nothing remotely equivalent (it's not as good as sed, though).  The
AmigaOS editors are pretty good for standard-issue stuff, but they don't
handle fonts or even proper Amiga windows.  Something more visual would be
useful, especially if it had the sort of printer support that MS-Windows
provides.


-- 

David Meiklejohn                  | Internet : davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au
Computer Systems Officer, QDPI    | Fax      : +61 70 92 3593
Mareeba, Australia                | Voice    : +61 70 92 1555
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:54:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.201445.9630@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:

[ ]
>
>I have a DOS box with SVGA and a soundblaster on my desk. It does full
>motion video in a window, synced with sound. These came standard in the 
>package. No "Tons" of add-ons required. I find one of the advantages
>of the DOS boxes is the ability to mix and match hardware. This makes
>for great flexability. It also makes for configuration nightmares!

Give me a break. The Soundblaster is a horrible sound board, and full motion
(30 frames/sec) won't come out of Microsoft's MPC specs (at present).
 
The DOS world is full of programs that support no sound, some sound, card A,
card B, VGA, VGA+, SVGA, 8514, etc...As one goes from program to program it's
simply mind boggling. What you need is a random config.sys and autoexec.bat.

Now as far as mixing and matching hardware goes, I wish for once that people 
would realize that exotic combinations on the ISA bus are a pain. Your
nightmares are shared by millions out there! One can have great flexibility
without configuration nightmares by proceeding in an intelligent fashion,
something the PC world hasn't been noted for ( I'd cite MCA and OS/2 version 2.0as intelligent, and also DOS and Windows as idiotic and cosmetic nonsense
respectively.

[ ]

Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Date: 30 Aug 92 13:39:58 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <1992Aug29.210801.13940@pdnfido.fidonet.org> scottw@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Scott Weintraub) writes:
>Figures we'd get hung up on something like this. :)
>Here's my opinion:
>Faces is an obscure file format...
>GIF is a very general file format [but] IMO, not the "best" way to do things.
>JPEG pictures are small and 24-bit.  [Recommends it.]

	I'd still vote for IFF.  There's an IFF viewer supplied with
AmigaOS 2.04, and I'd bet that over 90% of the Amiga community has an
IFF viewer anyway (even if it's Deluxe Paint).

	Since this is an Amiga newsgroup, why not distribute files in an
acknowledged Amiga format?  I realize that some people who read this group
own other computers; but in an Amiga group, I think it's their burden to
find an IFF viewer, rather than an Amiga owners' to find a JPEG or GIF or
Faces viewer.

                                                        Dan

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 vs. AmigaOS [was Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon]
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 31 Aug 92 06:57:54 EST
 <1992Aug27.202722.5090@ctr.columbia.edu> <1992Aug28.160606.26879@oracle.us.oracle.com> <1992Aug28.210934.29469@ctr.columbia.edu>
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Aug28.210934.29469@ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas) writes:
>>
>>Better real-time response.
>>
> 
> Proof, please?
> 
	The only thing I've ever seen regarding real time OSs is
	guaranteed response time.  The OS WILL service an interupt
	in X ms, or what ever.  Think about it.  What other spec or
	feature is required beyond that to give 'real time?'

	Since the Amiga is built around NTSC (and PAL) video it seems
	very logical that it would be a good real time OS.  Is that
	hard to believe?

> 
> So you agree that when the Amigoids call everything in the PC world a
> kludge, it's just mindless bashing and whining, right?  I admit, my calling
> 3d-party VM addons "kludges" was just a reflex.
> 
	No as an 'Amigoid' Jerry, I want to see a spade called a spade.
	The PC has kludges,  The Amiga has kludges.

>>
>>David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
>>
> --
> +-------------------+-----------------------+--------------------------------+
> | Jerry J. Shekhel  | Molecular Simulations | Time just fades the pages      |
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **
From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Date: 30 Aug 92 17:09:32 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
: In article <1992Aug30.030347.15327@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
: >jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
: 
: >: How many lies can you put into one posting?? Developer said 030/040
: >: and video upgrade can be made CHEAP and easy for Falcon.  WHERE is
: >: cheap boards and cards for A3000 and A600? People want cheap hardware
: >: not cheap vapor!
: >
: >Finally I found the way to use "kill files" with this news reader - no
: >longer do I have to read these redicilous but not funny messages from
: >Jeff Very Young or whatever his/it's real name is.
: 
: 	Is there a site that archives advocacy posts? I would like to get
: together a collection of posts just for Jeff Young, to keep the memories
: alive when he is away at school. I can't believe that you think he is
: not funny. You DEEP DODO!!

He was funny for the first five (or so) postings - I don't think
anything stays funny/good/nice/whatever if it's read/written/drinken
dozens of times in row.

--
Jarkko Lindblad
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:45:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.071453.3201@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>Flexibility means being able to add either SCSI or SCSI-2 on either a Zorro II
>or III card to the system.  The user gets to decide what sort of HD interface
>they want, what performance they want, and how much they want to pay.
>Remember the complaints that the SCSI in the A3000 is only SCSI-1?  As I said,
>giving people freedom of choice is what flexibility is all about.  All you
>really want on the motherboard is the lowest common denominator, which for
>hard drives is IDE.

   This works well on paper, but not in reality.  Consider for instance the
situation with Amiga CD-ROM drives.  If Commodore is going to bring out
CD-ROM drives for every Amiga, they will have to bring out FOUR different
models: one for the A500, one for the A600, one for A2500 & A2000HD & A3000
systems (with SCSI interfaces), and one for the new systems with IDE 
interfaces.  Now consider the situation on the Macintosh platform; even 
after the new Amiga systems hit the market, Apple will have about three 
times more Macintosh systems on the market as Commodore has Amiga systems. 
Yet Apple only has to bring out *ONE* CD-ROM drive that will work on ALL
Macintosh systems currently on the market.  The reason is that the Apple 
systems engineers used a little more intelligence when designing the Mac
systems; they made sure that all Macintoshes have SCSI ports, so that things
like CD-ROM drives and tape drives need only be developed as one product,
instead of half a dozen.  

   With a little more intelligence on the part of people designing Amiga
systems, Commodore could have cut down the number of CD-ROM drives needed
to support all Amigas from four to two; they could have done this by simply
leaving the A500's 86-pin expansion port on the A600, and using SCSI instead
of IDE on the A4000.

>David Meiklejohn                  | Internet : davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au
>Computer Systems Officer, QDPI    | Fax      : +61 70 92 3593
>Mareeba, Australia                | Voice    : +61 70 92 1555

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@aix.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate, an I an ideali
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:25:43 GMT

I hate getting involved in these flame wars, but I have to make one point about
the Amiga's video display. 

<BTW: could be PLEASE cool off on the quoting? 4,5 levels is excessive...>

In his last message, Charles knocks the Amiga for having an interlaced video
display. No, Charles, this is NOT a sign of poor quality. First off, many 
real-world PC displays are interlaced. Just because YOURS isn't doesn't mean
nobody in the PC market had ever heard of interlacing. Secondly, the fact that 
Commodore included interlacing on their display simply indicates the different
focus of the Amiga line - toward video. ALL vieo displays, including the one on
every TV in your house, is interlaced. There's nothing WRONG with interlacing, 
and it is NOT a "low-end" alternative to a steady display. It has MANY, MANY
applications in the real world, at levels the IBM machines cannot touch. 

Furthermore, nobody has ever "gone blind" (literally or figuratively) from
looking at an interlaced screen. After a couple of days using one, you hardly
notice it at all. Looking at ANY computer screen, especially one on which there
is a high level of contrast, is fatiguing (SP?). Why do you think the MS-DOS
command line text is grey-on-black instead of white-on-black? It's just plain
tiring. Interlacing does not add to that effect to any noticeable degree.

I am...

  -Frank Dana, known (718)-(212)-(516) over as Amiuser/Doc Ami!
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:22698 comp.sys.atari.st:12969
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 specs released! No more rumor...
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:56:08 GMT
Distribution: eunet
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

So how many basically non-compatible-and-require-new-software-to-take-advantage-
of-it systems has Atari come out with now? Can you run old "well behaved" Atari
software on the latest version of the latest operating system? Does it drag the
system down when you do it because of all the polling?
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
  'U`  
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