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From: kgn0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KHALED G. NASR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: ARAB UNITY
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:03:45 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University




























In article <922118012106@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>, AHMADAS@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090 writes:
>
> [stuff deleted]
>
> =Will you enlighten us about "Jizya", which was a religious tax extracted from
> =Non-Muslims by the Islamic Mughal empire which ruled over parts present-day
> =India, Pakistan and Afghanistan in the name of Islam ?
>
> ="Jizya" I believe is an Urdu word but I'm not sure how to say it in Arabic.
>
> [stuff deleted]
>
> Here is my Cent worth of opinion.
>
> The law that was applied in islamic states when "Jizya" was charged to the
> non muslims is interesting. Let us examen it with thorough eye:
>
> As men and women who lived in the state (the islamic state for this case)
> they had to contribute to the ways of expenditure that the state needed to
> sustain as much as possible a balanced society. Muslims paid alms or charity
> "zakaat", whereas non-muslims paid "Jizya". If you compare the figures for
> the two methods of taxation, jizya or zakaat, you will see that zakaat was
> slightly higher. For the most part, that is to my knowledge, jizya was used
> for civil projects and for defense purposes. The question as to why non-muslim
> should pay tax (jizya) to a muslim state is ill posed. I, not being American,
> pay taxes for the American Federal Government as long as I stay, live in
> and earn money in the United States.
>
> As for the rest of your letter, I wish not to address it for lack of
> knowledge on my part.
>
> im
>
>
>>>
>Can I add the following question?  What the kind of *TAX* do the
>Non-muslems within an Islamic state like to contribute to?
>Do they like to give AL Zakaat for instance?
><<
>ahmad
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: KAYAM prison (the jews)[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dpreviously the jews)
Organization: UiO
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:47:47 GMT

In article <14456.9211201011@thor.cf.ac.uk> scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G") writes:
>From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
>Subject: Re: Ms(Mr)King (the jews)
>
>BACKGROUND:
>The article was about the kidnapping (by the Israeli ) of thousands of
>Lebanese and Palastinians muslims and the condition in KAYAM prison
>
>I.Ballouz writes:
>
>With all respect M.G., but can I ask what is the point of sending these 
>posts to SCL? 
>I mean we, Lebanese, have more than enough troubles of our own. I can not see
>how we can deal with what is going on in SCI or other groups. 
>
>___________________________________________________________________
>
>Shame on you Ballouz If you do not care about your own brothers and sisters
>in ISLAM or the Lebanese (may be you are a Christian) in KAYAM prison 
>do not call your self LEBANESE ((we Lebanese, have more....)) 
>you do not deserve to be one
>
>
>M.G.
>Cardiff, Wales, U.K.
>


You may say so, but not all of us follow all the groups and not all of us are
interested in everything that happens in all groups.

As far as I could tell, there was little direct mention of Lebanon in the Jews
articles. It sounded like a dispute that came into scl due to cross posting.

Therefore, I saw Ballouz's post as appropriate. Instead of calling names and
making judgements on who is supposed to be what, pl ease respect the fact that
cross postings are not desirable (I have made this mistake many times). THere
was nothing in Ballouz's post that was offensive. You need not be either.

I would also take the opportunity to ask you to moderate your language a bit.



elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: ARAB UNITY
Organization: UiO
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:32:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.162550.1797@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>
rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout) writes:
>In article <BxMvs4.B01@unix.amherst.edu>, ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D. DANIEL
SOKOL) writes:
>> 
>> How should Christian Lebanese feel about Islamic Unity where Christians will
>> undoubtedly be discriminated against and persecuted for their religious 
>> beliefs.
>> Danny Sokol-Amherst Colleg
>i
>
>Danny,
>
>Please before saying something about 1 billion people and their tolerance
towards
>other religions please study history. How can you be certain that Christians
will
>be persecuted and discriminated against in an Islamic State ?
>Did you study the Islamic law regarding Non-Muslims in an Islamic State ?

YEs Rached, I have read some Islamic law and I would not accept to live under
an Islamic state for many reasons:

1- I am not a muslim thus I am not bound by Islam.
2- Under Islam I am considered as a second class citizen.
  a- I am not equal to all citizens
  b- I am "protected" and not a free independant citizen
  c- etc. etc.
3- it is forbidden for Muslims to convert and become non-muslims
4- etc. etc.

>Did you study the history of Non_Muslims in an Islamic State ?
>I refer you to the history of Jews in Spain and how their golden age was under
>the Muslims and how they were persecuted along with Muslims by the spanish
>inquisition (sp?)

Rached, history is full of all kinds of stories, some are positive others are
not. THerfore refering to Spain as an example, it is possible to refere to
Arabia and other places where Christians were not well treated and where Jews
were not as welcome. The same about the inquisition of the Christins in Spain.
NOte that this inquisition was not only directed against the Jews and the
Muslims but also against Christains who were not of the same belief as the
inquisitors.

Every empire has had its golden age, and all have had their ages of babary!

>
>
>rached
>



elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Syria puts conditions
Organization: UiO
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:35:46 GMT

 
from: Elie Wardini
Subject: Syria Puts Conditions to Withraw from Lebanon

	BEIRUT (UPI) -- Syria suggested Tuesday it may be a long way from
removing its troops from Lebanon, saying that only could happen after
the Beirut government eliminates its system of official religious
division.
	Syrian Vice President Abdel Halim Khaddam, in remarks carried by the
pro-Syrian As Safir newspaper, also denied evidence Iran might have an
interest in expanding its influence in Lebanon.
	Khaddam said that under the 1989 Lebanese peace accord that helped
end 16 years of civil war, the issue of the phased Syrian pullout was to
be discussed ``two years after (Lebanese) political reforms are approved
constitutionally.''
	``The main issue in these reforms focus on canceling confessionalism,
'' he said, referring to the Lebanese political system that distributes
public posts between Muslims and Christians along sectarians lines.
	``This article has not yet been discussed and no constitutional
measures have been adopted in this regard,'' Khaddam said in the
interview with the Paris-based Monte Carlo radio station.
	``Therefore, the issue of Syrian withdrawal is mainly linked to a
Syrian guarantee for a large number of Lebanese to approve all these
reforms,'' he said.
...


To the Lebanese: Should we let ourselves again be pitteted one against the
other?

It is time we showed what we really want!

We should all condemn this action by the Syrians. We should shower all
responsibles at home and abroad with letters condemning this straight forward
foreign interference in Lebanese affairs!

It is not the business of Syria or any other country to decide how we Lebanese
are going to run our country.



elie wardini
From: hammoud@cicb.fr (Mustapha Hammoud)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re article Elie Dib Wardini
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:12:28 GMT
Organization: CICB - Universite' de Rennes I - FR

Salut,

J ai ete tres surpris par ton article que tu as publie dernierement sur LEBNET.
A l epoque de l EID EL KIBIR il y a eu quelques mots sympathiques a
propos de cette heureuse ocasion. Et on a vu que tu etais contre cela
car tu considerais d apres toi que ca doit se feter dans la mosquee. 
Aujourd hui tu ecris un article de sur ta religion. Alors qu hier
tu critiquais nos voeux pendant notre fete!!!!!!!

Et en plus quelqu un est alle jusqu a dire que passer un message de EID MUBARAK
sur le Net contribue a la division du Liban!!! BIZZZZZARE

Alors que viens faire ton article, dont le titre signifie le contenu.
Veux tu le supprimer car c est ton article qui attise le dechirement 
du Liban et Pas un Simple EID SAIID.


Regards
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Independance Day
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:10:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.001915.5253@bradley.bradley.edu>, hani@bradley.bradley.edu (Hani Abi-Nassif) writes:
> In <By56ot.7CE@ecf.toronto.edu> fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M) writes:
> 
> 
> 
>>I guess wishes of a Happy Independance Day are due on this 22nd day of November.
> 
> A'edon B-Ayati Halen A'adta Ya A'edou...
> My best wishes as well for a peacefull, prosperous
> and united Lebanon...
> PEACE ...
I would like to second you in wishing lebanon and all lebanese a happy,
and peaceful life.

Abbas fardoun

> -Hani
> -- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: Shaheed
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:04:03 GMT

In <92320.183614U38065@uicvm.uic.edu> Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

" What is the difference between an ISLAMIC temr and an ARABIC term ?

   Islamic terms are the subset of Arabic terms which was introduced by Islam.

" If shaheed was an islamic term, it was expressed in the arabic language to desc
" ribe a muslim who dies for the faith.  Therefore it has an ISLAMIC meaning, and
" is an arabic term.

OK.

" Koddiss, is NOT a christian term.  It has a meaning in the christian religion,
" but IS an arabic term.  Or wherever you can find its roots.

" One more thing, before Mohammed, there used to be arab christians, and I think
" one of the biggest tribes was christian.  I cannot remember its name, anyway,
" what did pre-mohammedian christians call GOD ?

   The word "Allah" is the Arabic for God, but it was used before Arab Xians
because Arabs were the lineage of Ismail who was a prophet himself to many tribes
in Arabia. Even Quraish and other Arab pagans recognised Allah, but their problem
was using other entities as media to Him. They also used to do pilgrimage which
was Abraham's tradition.

" Because if they called God Allah, then wouldn't Allah be a Christian term
" used by christian Arabs before Mohammed ?

   Tough luck it isn't :-) But even if it were so what? Remember that Islam is
the legit inheritor of religions.

" Nasri

**Nabeel


Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: kfh3591@tamuts.tamu.edu (Khalil Hayek)
Subject: Re: Son of God(was Shaheed)
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:43:24 GMT

In article <nabeel.722052639@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul) writes:
>In <1992Nov17.192154.9039@tamsun.tamu.edu> kfh3591@tamuts.tamu.edu (Khalil Hayek) writes:
>
>" Why don't you look at as elevating the status of the human race 
>" instead? You see, all religions agree that God is perfect, so it goes 
>" without saying that whatever we do will not take away from His state. 
>" Furthermore, since He is perfect, He will not do anything that will 
>" take away from His own esteem and perfection. Then it remains clear
>
>   hA_thA bayto lqa.sIdi yA bonaY! Since God is perfect we believe He
>wouldn't do this. If being flogged, spitted upon, mocked, crucified,
>etc. doesn't indignify or imperfect someone, then I wonder what can!
>Hardly can I also believe that it dignifies humans. Humans brought in
>the life of Jesus Christ (may peace be upon Muhammad and him) what
>embarrasses human race for ever and ever.
>
>
>** wA rO.h lilmoLa ^alI wa giLa yA muLa ^ali:
>           Hey, you are silly!
>
>
>

Again NO. It does not indignify divinity. It will only serve to satisfy the 
saddistic and inhuman feelings in some people. It will only indignify the 
image of divinity that they have projected onto their understanding, thus 
giving them a false sense of satisfaction and superiority. Mind you, one can 
insult divinity but not take away from it. At one time or another every 
spiritual figure has sacrificed or forgiven for the sake of a greater good 
that those surrounding him did not immediately recognize.
From: naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Syrian/Israeli Military control
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:30:32 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Looking for some guesses on likelilood of Lebanese military control
over their entire country.

In ten years how likely is it that:

There will still be Syrian Troops in Lebanon?
There will still be Israeli Troops in Lebanon?
There will still be other Non-Lebanese Armed forces in Lebanon?
(Ex. Hezbolah (sp?))


Randy Finder

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: LEBANON'S PRIME MINISTER BUILDS UP MEDIA
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:36:28 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov22.200448.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.004355.17288@njitgw.njit.edu>, elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>> 
>> Sounds like Robert Maxwell, next thing he ends up dead and his family broke.
>> :-)
>> 
> Everybody eill die Elie sonner or later. However you look like very jealous 
>and that is good. If it bothers you that he is buying newspaper, it is good.
>if it bothers you that he is the legitimate PM, it is good.
>if it bothers you the the $ price in lebanon is lower, since he became a PM, it
>is very good.
>

1$=1930 by latest count, considering that his "excellency" Karami
was forced out by his own people when 1$=2000 I find your statements 
quite humourous.

Regards, Elie.

--

                                 ________
________________________________/--------\______________________________________
 
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From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: KAYAM prison (the jews)[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dpreviously the jews)
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:11:49 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Ms(Mr)King (the jews)

BACKGROUND:
The article was about the kidnapping (by the Israeli ) of thousands of
Lebanese and Palastinians muslims and the condition in KAYAM prison

I.Ballouz writes:

With all respect M.G., but can I ask what is the point of sending these 
posts to SCL? 
I mean we, Lebanese, have more than enough troubles of our own. I can not see
how we can deal with what is going on in SCI or other groups. 

___________________________________________________________________

Shame on you Ballouz If you do not care about your own brothers and sisters
in ISLAM or the Lebanese (may be you are a Christian) in KAYAM prison 
do not call your self LEBANESE ((we Lebanese, have more....)) 
you do not deserve to be one


M.G.
Cardiff, Wales, U.K.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: Syrian/Israeli Military control
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:40:31 GMT

In article <1eg7ccINNci6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H.
Harmanani) writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.163033.2600@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>
naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder) writes:
> 
> >Looking for some guesses on likelilood of Lebanese military control
> >over their entire country.
> 
> >There will still be other Non-Lebanese Armed forces in Lebanon?
> >(Ex. Hezbolah (sp?))
> 
> How did you conclude that the Hizbollah are not Lebaneses???
> 
> >Randy Finder
> 
> 
> -- 
> H. Harmanani (haidar@alpha.ces.cwru.edu)
> Dept. of Computer Engineering
> Crawford Hall 215C
> Case Western Reserve U

Surely you read the news or listen to the television or radio! Doesn't
the American "free" press and media refer to the "pro-Iranian" Hezbollah
or the "Iranian-backed" Hezbollah whenever they are mentioned? :-)

Actually, to be fair, almost every source of news that I read or listen
to uses the same terminology (The Arab News, The Economist, BBC, UAE
Radio, R. Netherlands, R. Beijing, etc...). Even the UPI :-) They all do it!

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: UPI
Subject: Exchange Rates (Tue Nov 17 1992)
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: United Press International
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:36:41 GMT
X-Note: This article was automatically cross-posted to soc.culture.lebanon

[ Article cross-posted without permission ]

                      USD per LL      LL per USD
                      Tue     Mon     Tue     Mon

Lebanon pnd       .000518 .000515 1930.00 1940.00

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: kfh3591@tamuts.tamu.edu (Khalil Hayek)
Subject: Re: Son of God(was Shaheed)
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:59:08 GMT

There is something wrong with the "rn" on this node. If you see more than
one transmission of this article please excuse me.


In article <nabeel.722052639@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul) writes:
>In <1992Nov17.192154.9039@tamsun.tamu.edu> kfh3591@tamuts.tamu.edu (Khalil Hayek) writes:
>
>" Why don't you look at as elevating the status of the human race 
>" instead? You see, all religions agree that God is perfect, so it goes 
>" without saying that whatever we do will not take away from His state. 
>" Furthermore, since He is perfect, He will not do anything that will 
>" take away from His own esteem and perfection. Then it remains clear
>
>   hA_thA bayto lqa.sIdi yA bonaY! Since God is perfect we believe He
>wouldn't do this. If being flogged, spitted upon, mocked, crucified,
>etc. doesn't indignify or imperfect someone, then I wonder what can!
>Hardly can I also believe that it dignifies humans. Humans brought in
>the life of Jesus Christ (may peace be upon Muhammad and him) what
>embarrasses human race for ever and ever.
>
>
>** wA rO.h lilmoLa ^alI wa giLa yA muLa ^ali:
>           Hey, you are silly!
>
>
>

Again NO. It does not indignify divinity. It will only serve to satisfy the 
saddistic and inhuman feelings in some people. It will only indignify the 
image of divinity that they have projected onto their understanding, thus 
giving them a false sense of satisfaction and superiority. Mind you, one can 
insult divinity but not take away from it. At one time or another every 
spiritual figure has sacrificed or forgiven for the sake of a greater good 
that those surrounding him did not immediately recognize.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: JOKES
From: CS19242128R@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (SALIBA, RANIA)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:56:44 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1992Nov11.192728.17163@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu writes:

> Credit goes to Rania on this one:
> 
> There was this guy getting married for the fourth time...
> So an old time friend of his has a reunion with him.
> One thing led to another, and they were discussing the ex-wives.
> Q: What happened to wife #1
> A: She died out of a poisonous mushroom
> 
> Q: What happened to wife #2
> A: She died after ingesting a poisonous mushroom
> 
> Q: How about #3 ?
> A: She died out of a cracked head. She refused to eat the poisonous
>    mushroom 
> 
> :-))
Actually ELie, this credit goes to Ramzi! ;-))))

Rania.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: My God!!!!
Organization: UiO
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:33:06 GMT

 
from: Elie Wardini
subject: My God!!!!!!

quote:

Subject: ANALYSIS: LEBANON'S PRIME MINISTER BUILDS UP MEDIA ...

By ALI JABER 
  BEIRUT (NOV. 20) DPA - After adding political power to his enormous financial
strength, Rafik Hariri, Lebanon's new prime minister, is on his way to becoming
the Arab world's media tycoon. 
   Hariri, 48, who was appointed prime minister last month in the hope that he
would lift Lebanon from chaos and economic hardship, has begun to acquire
magazines, newspapers, television and radio stations and last but not least, an
international wire service. 


etc. etc. etc.

   Hariri told dpa that he seeks through his press empire to protect Lebanon
from reckless press coverage which could ruin relationships with its neighbours
and the Arab countries and to carve the ideas of coexistence and tolerance into
the Lebanese mentality. 
   Hariri believes that Lebanon's problems in soliciting Arab funds for its
reconstruction stem from the fact that its press can sometimes be hostile to
Arab regimes. 
   "I need a press that can compliment my work in building a healthy country,
not sabotage my job," he said. 

end of quote.

Hariri SAL! We can see the contours of the New Lebanon!


Elie Wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Litani River
Organization: University of Texas @ Austin
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:28:29 CST

In article <92324.191848U38065@uicvm.uic.edu>, Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> Noam said that he did not trust Lebanon.
> 
> Usually, when you say that you do not trust a person, is because you do not
> trust the actions/words etc... that that person might say or do.
> 
> In the case of Lebanon, where we ever responsible for our decisions ?
> I mean, in international politics, most of the time, our decisions were already
>  made for us, wether in Baghdad, Cairo, Taef or Damascus or Damascus.
> 
> So no wonder, Noam does not trust Lebanon, most of the decisions we made were
> not ours.



	Precisely. Lebanon in the last 20 years or so is an entity
	that is incapable of making up its mind, carrying out
	decisions or behave in a predictable manner. I don't think 
	that you can expect the neighbours of such an entity to trust 
	it.


	What I'm trying to convey is that the lack of trust is mutual
	(regardless of the reasons), and only dialog can restore it.



> Nasri
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> |        Je suis jeune, il est vrai; mais aux ames bien nees            |
> |        La valeur n'attend point le nombre des annees.                 |
> |                                                 LE CID (DON RODRIGUE) |
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: hani@bradley.bradley.edu (Hani Abi-Nassif)
Subject: Re: Independance Day
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 00:19:15 GMT

In <By56ot.7CE@ecf.toronto.edu> fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M) writes:



>I guess wishes of a Happy Independance Day are due on this 22nd day of November.

A'edon B-Ayati Halen A'adta Ya A'edou...
My best wishes as well for a peacefull, prosperous
and united Lebanon...
PEACE ...
-Hani
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