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From: krenner@byron.u.washington.edu (Randolph Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: SKS Questions
Date: 4 Jan 93 03:13:19 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Here's a questio for all you SKS owners out there.
Some time ago I bought a Norinco SKS. It has a stamped plain metal
trigger guard and the barrel appears to be "pressed in" to the breech.
Now I see new SKS rifles with machined trigger guards and a hexongonal
nut connecting the barral to the breech. A dealer said I should "avoid"
SKS rifles wit "pressed-in" barrels. I am a little irritated, as these
newer guns are available at the same price or lower than the SKS I bought.
However, I have never had any trouble with mine after hundreds of rounds
and it is very accurate. Mine does seem a little heavier, however. Is there
really much difference between the different Chinese SKS rifles Does a
"pressed-in" vs "nut" barrel mean anything in the real shooting world?
Should I get one of the newer ones? (Some of the newer ones have horrible
brown fiberglass stocks, which make them look like cheap toys.)

R. Carter.
From: kemasa@ghost.hac.com (Kemasa)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: dummy rounds
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:40:13 GMT
Organization: Natural Order Nature Experiments (N.O.N.E.)


Hello World!!! (from the ultimate test program.)

Happy Holidays and Happy New Year.

I am a new NRA Instructor and I don't have room for reloading yet,
but I would like to get some dummy rounds for teaching purposes.
I would like to get as large of selection as possible. I currently
only have a .50 BMG round.

If anyone would like to help me I would appreciate it. What I would
like is a round with holes drilled in the brass with a bullet in it
and the primer fired. I would also like a selection of bullet types.
I would be willing to pay for shipping and a little extra, although
I am not sure what would be fair. I am interested in pistol and rifle
rounds.

Please send me email.
-- 



						 Kemasa.

Insanity is the best defense.

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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 45-70 Govt - .410 compatible?
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:17:48 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:

#This makes me wonder:  Is the .45-70 Govt compatible with the .410 bore
#shotgun shell?  The length is about right, but the specs. in Cartridges
#of the World and my RCBS reloading guide would seem to indicate that
#the .410 would be a bit loose in the chamber ...

A .410 shotshell will fire in a .45-70 but it bursts the case.  Or
at least it did in my old springfield trapdoor.  It is rather uneventful
compared to the .45-70 round but for a close-in scattergun, probably
not bad.

John
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From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun blast noise in a car?
Date: 26 Dec 92 00:17:21 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <1992Dec19.054918.4741@michael.apple.com> ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:
}In article <BzHA6v.LFn@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
}
}#There's actually a driving school which teaches you driving that's
}#defensive to the point of becoming offensive. It's designed for
}#executives, to teach them how to dodge terrorists/kidnappers. 
}...
}#I cannot for the life of me remember the name of the school, but I
}#think it's back East ...

}I think it is 'Bondurant' and I thought it was located in Sonoma county,
}just above Port Sonoma on the race track next to the Petaluma River ...

You're thinking of the Bob Bondurant School of High Performance Driving.
It started out years ago as a school for race drivers and eventually
expanded into the executive defensive driving field.  There's another
school back east that specializes in the defensive driving aspect.  I
can't remember the name either, but both get a mention in Ayoob's _The
Truth About Personal Protection_.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
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From: hes@ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: re: silver solder
Date: 23 Dec 92 03:35:39 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University


  I found some "Lead Free Silver Solder" today in the store
which is Kester brand.  It says that it is 2% Silver-98% Tin,
with a melting temp. of 430F.  This is flux cored.

  The 15% silver alloy solder I mentioned previously (for
brazing copper, brass, bronze) is  phoson+  brand from
J.W. Harris Co, Inc.  10930 Deerfield Rd., Cincinnati, OH 45242.
It has  HARRIS 15  stamped on the "sticks" of metal.
I got it at an air conditioning/heating/controls supply house
and have been using it for general purpose repairs.  It is much
stronger than lead solder.  I don't know how hard it is to melt
since I started using MAPP gas it appears to me that everything
melts easily!

--henry schaffer
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: what does sks mean?
Date: 4 Jan 93 03:13:22 GMT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <9301031541.AA26830@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
mozart@coos.dartmouth.edu (Sting) writes:

#In <19932.4199.14096@dosgate> 
#patrick.eves@canrem.com (Patrick Eves) writes:

CC:
#>>Does anyone know the meaning of the SKS designation of the SKS model 56?

#>Hi, Chris,
#
#>SKS = Samozaridnya Karabina Simonova

	Samozariadnyj Karabin Simonova

	(the carbine is a masculine weapon in Russian)

#>The last two words translate to "Carbine Simonov", 

				  "Carbine by Simonov"

#>						    Simonov being the name
#>of the designer.  As for the first word, maybe try posting it in one of
#>the language conferences...;)

#I'm not familiar with the exact word offhand, but in Russian, the prefix
#Samo- is roughly equivalent to "self-" or "auto-" whence I would suppose
#that first word translates to something roughly equivalent to "automatic,"
#in the substantive sense we apply to many firearms.
#
#I have no idea what "zaridnya" refers to; is this really an accurate trans-
#literation of the word?

Self-loading.

#Hope this helps,
#-Sting
#
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#Consultant, Kiewit Computation Center                        Hanover, NH
#email : Sting@Dartmouth.EDU / mozart@coos.dartmouth.edu
#USPS  : >3B School St. / Hanover, NH  03755
#Tel>  : CRC  (603) 646-2626 / Consultants' Office (603) 646-3417
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cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: 10 mm autopistols
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:17:49 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA

I keep hearing vaguely worded criticisms of the 10mm cartridge, but I
can never get any specifics.  I understand that the FBI dumped the
10 after having problems.  Were these problems:

     1)  feed problems (possibly caused by FBI-required modifications
     2)  overpressure problems causing damage to the pistols
     3)  control problems caused by recoil and/or blast
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Does anyone know the real story?
From: lund@ssd.kodak.com (Nate Lund)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Rochester NY shooting ranges
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:07:31 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak

A while back, somebody mentioned a couple of ranges
in the Rochester NY area.  Unfortunately I neglected
to save the article, and it is now expired at this site.

I would greatly appreciate email on the topic.

Thanks
Nate
nlund@kodak.com
From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: light .44 Magnum loads?
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:31:52 GMT
Organization: Circle 'C' Shellfish Ranch, Shores-of-the-Pacific, California

In article <1992Dec22.032539.5109@ncsu.edu> hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) writes:

#In the beginning of the book it mentions that such powders
#as 296 and H110 shouldn't be used in reduced loads (i.e. don't reduce
#more than 10%) but I don't see any other mentions in .357 Magnum
#or 44 Magnum (pages 426-429) sections.

Hmmm.  I have some H110 and was thinking about making some .44 Special
class loads in a .44 Magnum case with it ... Guess I'll have to think
again!  (I was going to check MY Speer reloading book befor starting,
but maybe I'll just use up some old Unique instead...).

Any idea why they say this about H110?  I know they say to use Magnum
primers...  Is it a worry that you will get a partial ignition (just
enough to wedge the bullet in the bbl, then the full ignition to
blow the gun?

Scary to think that a powder might be lethal in a 'special' load ...
-- 

E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

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 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: airgun lubricant
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:45:49 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University

In article 13753@dosgate, grant.robinson@canrem.com (Grant Robinson) writes:
#for the seal.  Any experienced insight would be appreciated.
#--
#Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
#World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
#


Depends on which seal. For spring-air guns, use only a silicone oil for the piston
seal and the breech seal. Actually, the breech seal shouldn't need any oil unless
it's a cheap Chinese gun with a leather washer. RWS and Beeman sell suitible 
oils. For pump pneumatic or CO2 guns, the silicone oil will work, as will Crosman
airgun oil. 

            --mike
From: se08+@andrew.cmu.edu (Seth Adam Eliot)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: one shot stops (was:Re: .380 Bersa Quality)
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:07:33 GMT

Excerpts from netnews.rec.guns: 29-Dec-92 Re: .380 Bersa Quality by
Walter Moore@hou.amoco.c 
# If I recall correctly, Cor Bon (sp?) says the .380 has about a 68% one
shot st
# op 
# with their best bullets, while the .38 spl has an 83% and the 9mm has
a 91% on
# e
# shot stop. (BTW, a one shot stop is where a perp will loose interest
in what e
# ver
# he was doing after being hit with one shot)

When G&A's Handgun magazine was covering stopping power of various
cartridges (essentially a review of Marshall's work) they said that a
"stop" was defined as: (from memory)
"Either the perpetrator falls to the ground and/or if he's shooting, he
stops shooting"

which conjures some pretty funny pictures of a guy getting hit,
remaining standing, calmly putting down his gun --"oh, you're serious,
I'll just stop now" -- and walking away.

I leave it to the net to decide what bullet would result in THIS scenerio :-)

-Seth

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From: ci513@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tom Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: REMINGTON 870 FOR SALE
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:54:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)


12 gauge mod. choke, ribbed barrel, excellent condition, used
very little, $160.00 or best offer, you pay shipping. Email any
questions, and I hope I can answer them, I'm very unfamiliar
with firearms.
Tom.
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From: post@hpfcso.fc.hp.com (David Post)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Point Blank Firing (was: Re: Gun blast noise in a car?)
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:55:20 GMT

I wrote about shooting through a windshield from the inside:
 >#Four inches is about right for a violent criminal a foot or two in front of
 >#your hood.  

And created a question:
 >Could you please explain why aiming a few inches low? Where does the 
 >"four inches" come from. Thanks.

Yes, I don't think I was very clear.  Once I and a group of folks had an
opportunity on a police range to shoot through a windshield.  A torso target
was set up in front of the "car" and we fired at the center of mass and the
shots impacted about 4 inches high on the target a foot or two in front of
where the front would have been.

Different calibers and bullets were used.

This can be simulated in training classes.  It leave amazingly little glass
to be cleaned up and many trials can be had with one windshield.

David Post  davep@hpfcpp.fc.hp.com  hplabs!hpfcla!post
From: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: light .44 Magnum loads?
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:40:22 GMT
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH

As quoted from <EDP.92Dec23130521@roo.sneaks.kodak.com> by edp@sneaks.kodak.com (Ed Pendzik -- Sun Consulting):

# I have not heard an explanation of the physics/chemistry involved.

There's a good explanation in Ackley.  Apparently the powder gets blown up 
against the bullet and compacted, detonating rather than burning.



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From: rr@dymaxion.ns.ca (Rod Regier)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: re: Pet loads for 223 Rem.
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:07:25 GMT

For 223 Rem., I like Winchester 748 and Winchester Small Rifle
primers (WSP).  The 55g FMJ projectile is not quite as accurate
as some of the other alternatives (but the price is right).

My sources also say 748 is a good choice for heavy projectiles
(62g, 69g).

I found the Remington 55g PLHP projectile to be good accuracy.
With its construction, it should also be a good coyote or smaller
game round.  Since it is also available in bulk from Midway
and others, it's not as pricy as the projectiles packed
100 per box.

Watch out for the volumetric difference between military brass
and commercial brass, as well as the crimped primer pockets
in mil brass.

If you load a lot, the lower cost military brass is worth the
extra effort for the swage to "properly" get rid of the crimped
primer pocket.  If you only casually reload, stick with the
commercial stuff, less headaches that way.

Some companies are offering once-fired mil brass with crimp
removed.  I haven't tried it, but it might be the way to go.

I've used Winchester, Federal, Remington, PMC and IVI brass.
They all work ok, although I like the Remington stuff
a little better.

Good load data in Speer #11 for 748 and others.
See Sierra #3 for heavy bullet data.
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From: jdg00@ccc.amdahl.com (Josh Grosse)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: 5 grains here, 5 grains there
Date: 4 Jan 93 03:13:09 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation


As I'm fairly new to reloading, I'm asking for some advice.  It seems that
the bulk bullets I'm able to find are not the same weight that I have in
any of my data tables.  For example, with jacketed I can use 155 gr flat
points, and with lead I can use 170 gr semi-wad.  However, my data tables
show 150 jacketed and 175 lead.

Any suggestions as to how to proceed?
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From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: +P+ Ammunition
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:17:55 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA

I keep hearing the +P and +P+ ammunition will eventually harm by
handguns.  I'd like to use the 125 grain 9mm CorBon ammo in my
Ruger P89-- some people say I can, some say I can't.

Has anyone out there got a opinion based on actual use of +P or +P+
ammo.  Please spare me more speculation--that's whats got me confused.


Thanks
From: weed@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (daniel weed 283-4162)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: 1993 Shot Show
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:17:38 GMT



Happy Holidays!

Well, it looks like I'll be going to the 1993 SHOT Show here in Houston
in January!  I've never been, so can anyone give me any advice on
what to bring (a shopping cart? :-)  Also, are there any products
I should be sure not to miss?  Any great personalities I should rub elbows 
with?  

I will be looking mostly at handguns and related paraphernalia, and other 
personal defense items.  I will try to post a summary of my experience to 
the net afterwards, but I can't guarantee that yet.

Thanks,

-- Dan

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From: emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Norinco M14/Mini14/SKS
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:17:58 GMT
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Dec17.035225.20733@nuscc.nus.sg> swkmorri@nuscc.nus.sg (Perry Morrison (Dr)) writes:
#I'd like to hear people's views on the relative merits demerits of
#Norinco's M-14 copies, Mini-14 (.223) and SKS. I'm looking for a
#general purpose rifle for foxes, pigs and maybe even self defence---
#eventually. Please address reliability, accuracy, weight, cost (tough
#I know), cost to feed it, parts availability in general.

Buy an SKS for the barn, an SKS for the pickup, and SKS for the car,
an SKS for *each* tractor, a couple for the house, a few just to have
around, etc. They're cheap, reliable, easy to shoot, easy to carry,
adequate for any hunting chore that would normally go to a 30-30,
the cheapest to feed of any centerfire rifle, etc. Buy ammo in bulk,
several thousand rounds at a time, you'll use it.

As to the Norinco M-14, avoid this junk like the plague. The Mini-14
is ok if you can stomach Mr. Bill, but accuracy is nothing to write
home about, your SKS will do at least as well. Better would be to
buy an AR Sporter. Ammo for these is also cheap, and accuracy is
adequate, and prices have been falling recently. Better still, get
a Match HBar. It's still cheap to feed, and you can hit things with
it.

Gary
From: zwbm07@hou.amoco.com (Walter Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .380 Bersa Quality
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:02:25 GMT
Organization: Amoco Corporation

In article 25524@wa4mei,  emory!wa4mei!chrise@gatech.edu (Chris England) writes:
#
[ snip, snip, snip]
#Let's also open a discussion about the relative power of .380's
#I've punched paper with mine, but hav'nt put it to any ballistics
#tests yet.  Any ballistics experiences, or advice on retail ammo
#(grain, etc.) would also be greatly appreciated.

If I recall correctly, Cor Bon (sp?) says the .380 has about a 68% one shot stop 
with their best bullets, while the .38 spl has an 83% and the 9mm has a 91% one
shot stop. (BTW, a one shot stop is where a perp will loose interest in what ever
he was doing after being hit with one shot)

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From: dcwst8+@pitt.edu (David C Winters)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Glock numbering.
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:36:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


     The first Glock to hit the market was the 17 - were numbers 1
through 16 prototype models?

     Also, Glock has the 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, and 23 on the market; why
is there never any mention of the "Glock 18?"  Does such an animal even
exist?

--
David Winters
winters@vms.cis.pitt.edu
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Glock numbering.
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:57:27 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1259@blue.cis.pitt.edu> dcwst8+@pitt.edu (David C Winters) writes:
# ...
#     Also, Glock has the 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, and 23 on the market; why
#is there never any mention of the "Glock 18?"  Does such an animal even
#exist?

  Take a look at Chapter 7 in the very interesting book:


GLOCK
The New Wave in Combat Handguns
Peter Alan Kasler
Paladin Press, Boulder  1992
ISBN 0-87364-649-5  5 1/2" x 8 3/4" 296 + viii pp hardbound


 7 Model 18: The Invisible Glock [a production model select-fire
    automatic pistol with a cyclic rate of 1100-1200 rpm which
    closely resembles a Model 17, but with a firing mode selector
    on the left rear of the slide.  specs, description of firing,
    and pictures]

--henry schaffer
From: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: FYI: "Guns that won the West" on A&E
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:55:29 GMT
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH

As quoted from <1992Dec21.002518.2272@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> by ghm@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller):

# #It seems to me like the buffalo hunters also had this little gadget
# #they carried around in the back of a wagon called the "Gatling Gun"...
# #Of course, I could be mistaken...but this would seem to back up
# #the NRA's claim that there are legitimate sporting purposes for
# #full-auto weapons. :-) :-)
# 
# I suspect you are mistaken.  This may have been done on film but
# (for the reasons given above) it wouldn't have been very productive
# in practice.  Anyway, what sort of a cartridge did the early-model
# Gatling guns fire?  Would it have been powerful enough to kill a buffalo
# with anything other than a _very_ lucky shot?

I think it's a "rural legend" too!  On the other hand, the Gatling gun and
it's clone the Accles were always chambered for powerful rifle cartridges, 
from the .58 rimfire musket through .50-70 and .45-70, through .30-06.  In
fact, there were 1" models too.  I think that latter wouldn't have much 
trouble with a Buffalo... even a Brewster Buffalo.... :)


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