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From: baier@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Joern Baier)
Subject: Re: European Cup
Organization: Multikulturelle Gesellschaft n.e.V.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:07:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.121728.13560@praxis.co.uk> colins@praxis.co.uk (Colin Shield) writes:
>With all of the current mess regarding the Leeds Stuttgart business in
>the Eupropean Cup. It seems an ideal time to question the
>whole point of this foreign player ruling. I know why it exists, in
>theory, it's to prevent a club importing loads of the best
>internationals and winning the cup.
I think it's time to cancel the '3-foreigner-rule' of the UEFA because
it is against a rule of the European Community (EC) which grants every citizen
of any member state to work in every other state. So it might happen that a
German player who is not allowed to play for an Italian club appeals at
the European Court and wins (don't know how the chances are). But if
the rule cannot be applied to clubs from EC-states it has to be cancelled
totally. Otherwise it would be unfair for other clubs.

(In the Stuttgart case the foreigners are all from Non-EC-member states.)

And for those who took the Stuttgart case to wake up old resentments against
the Germans ("krauts", "sausage eater land", "Hun"): Remember that football
is only a sport!

>
>Colin Shield

Tschuess,
		Joern
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From: nitsche@carson.u.washington.edu (Gregor Nitsche)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Fortuna Koeln (was Re: Glasgow etc.)
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:30:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct7.163022.25091
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <MNEWS.718289099.14611@gate.demon.co.uk> J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross) writes:
>
>[lines deleted]
>
>OK, so in that article it was obvious what he meant by "Glasgow", but the use
>of "Glasgow" is totally wrong. A related question: in Germany do you refer
>to 1FC Ko"ln as Ko"ln, in which case does this not offend Fortuna K"oln fans?
>
Yes, we do refer to 1. FC Koeln as Koeln, and it does not offend Fortuna 
Koeln Fans because there are no Fortuna Koeln fans.  I used to be one of the
last ones but I moved away from Koeln 18 years ago. :-) Or did I forget any-
body?  Hi, any Fortuna fans out there?

Seriously, for the last five years (maybe longer) Fortuna has been the team
that breaks all records for low attendance in Bundesliga 2.

Gregor
From: J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Double Posts
Date: 7 Oct 1992 09:38:34 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Aargh!!! Just when you think the stuff you posted 3 days ago has
got lost and re-post it, up it pops! Sorry about all the double
posts, please ignore them ...

James

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From: marco@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Subject: Re: USA - Canada
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 21:51:02 GMT

In article <9210102222.AA14685@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen) writes:
>
>    10 October          -     Greensboro, NC
>
>          USA          0:0      Canada
>
>I don't have too much information on this, just something I heard from
>a friend who went to this in a brief phone call. He said that the US
>dominated outshooting Canada something like 20 - 7, but the Canadians
>simply packed the defense and didn't try to come forward at all. Doesn't
>sound like it was too much fun to watch.
>
> [stuff regarding the US team deleted].

Here's some other news from this side of the border. The local paper
"The Montreal Gazette", printed a reasonably long article on the game
in Saturday's paper. This was the first game for the Canadian national
team under Bob Lenarduzzi, who played with the 1986 team in Mexico, and
the players parcticed for only 3 days prior to the match. The article
said that Craig Forest, who plays for Ipswich Town in England, kept
the Canadians in the game with some good saves; seven in the first half
and eight over-all.

Lenarduzzi said that there would not be many changes to the side
which played the US for the WC qualifying games except that room would
be made for Randy Samuels when he arrives from the Netherlands. The
Canadians are still without their key scorer, Domenic Mobilio, who
broke his leg during the season.

Canada will play their first WC qualifying game away on Sunday against
Jamaica. The return match will be played in Toronto on Nov. 1, but first,
the team will travel to El Salvador, for the first of a two-game set.

The team is training in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. and will remain there
until their return to Canada, prior to their match in Toronto...


Marco...
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From: geh@cs.nott.ac.uk (Gavin Edward Hutchinson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Gary Lineker
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:51:04 GMT
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <weqAOkS00Uh783t1JF@andrew.cmu.edu> am5q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andy Yin Meau) writes:
>Does anyone know how Gary Lineker is doing in Japan?  ny info would be
>appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Andy

Gary Lineker doesn't begin his Japanese career until next season, he is 
spending his time presenting various football shows on BBC TV and Radio 5.

	Gavin
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From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Saudi Arabia (was: mail-to-news failure)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:30:56 GMT

In article <9210091613.AA08943@cs.utexas.edu> MAILER-DAEMON@cs.utexas.edu writes:
>
>In addition, the US national team is playing an exhibition match
>against the Canadian national team tonight (October 9) at the UNC
>Greensboro soccer stadium. It would be nice if you could have
>someone cover the match. Many of the players mentioned above will
>not be at this exhibition, but most of them will be playing for
>the US national team (the champion of the North and Central
>American -- CONCACAF -- region) in Saudi Arabia on October 15,
>16, 19 and 20 in the Intercontinental Cup against the champions
>of South America (Argentina), Africa (Ivory Coast), and Asia
>(Saudi Arabia). It would be nice if you could provide coverage of
>that too.
>
I hate to be picky, but my impression was that Saudi Arabia is not the
champion of Asia, but is representing that continent as host. It's
also a shame that Denmark is not playing: their absence sort-of
devalues the competition. And doesn't Oceania have a champion?
Finally, will the competitors have their European-based players
available? 
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He must be a Communist. After all, his name begins with a "C" and he
did take a short vacation to - horror of horrors - Moscow.
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From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Rangers//Leeds game on TV in the USA ?
Organization: Soo, Grabbit & Runne
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 20:14:20 GMT

cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk wrote:
: A desparate plea....I've put something like this out before but here
: goes again.  Anyone know of how I could see the forthcoming Rangers/Leeds
: European Cup ties  on televvision in Providence, RI.  Any help 
: appreciated.   Please e-mail me direct on cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
: 
The home leg of the Leeds-Stuttgart tie was shown on Sports Channel
America last week.  Terrific game.  Worth any half-dozen of the games
in the last World Cup put together.  Now, according to the Grauniad, the
whole thing has been voided because Stuttgart fielded too many
non-German players, and Leeds will play them again on neutral turf.  Has
this already taken place?  In any case, watch out on the sports channels
and/or the foreign language channels of local cable systems.  There's no
telling when games might appear.

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From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Re: SHAME ON ITALIA
Keywords: bleah
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:39:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.112759.22738@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> mastroma@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (Cesare) writes:
>Very bad performance of the Italian soccer national team , that 
>yesterday night had a draw on his home against a low level team
>like the Swisse team . 
>
>Ciao , Cesare .

What can you expect when sacchi picks 8 milan players for the team?
He should have picked some INTER players such as ZENGA, FERRI, BIANCHI
and BERTI.

It is obvious that berlusconi has been paying sacchi alot of money all
this time for him to pick the milanisti to play for the nerazzuri.

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From: nay@maths.nott.ac.uk (Nigel A Yateman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Blackburn & other trends....
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:45:43 GMT
Reply-To: nay@maths.nott.ac.uk (Nigel A Yateman)
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.

In article <1992Oct6.132307.5650@gw.wmich.edu> statlab1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>Once more in the so exciting English Leaque an outsider is ahead.
>Did Blackburn gain promotion to the Premier Division just this year?
>I see a trend here that has been happening frequently in the last
>few years in England; that is, a team which was just promoted dominating
>the first few months of the Premier Division. Leeds last year, Man. Utd
>in 1978(I think), Swansea about 10 years ago. I can't recall any more examples
>but,
>
>  PLEASE CAN ANY OF THE EXPERTS ON ENGLISH FOOTBALL FIND SOME MORE 
>
>  EXAMPLES OF "first 2-3 months domination of teams just promoted"
>
>  IN THE ENGLISH LEAQUE PREMIER DIVISION??
>
>  stuff deleted
>

Well for a start, back in the early 60s Ipswich Town came up from the second
division to win the first division title in their debut season.
I think Nottm Forest did the same in 1977/8 (?).

Nigel
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From: JI.RCB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: Football in the USA
Organization: Iowa State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:16:23 GMT

>Your suggestion about pressing the local papers to cover more soccer
>scores is a good one. On rare occasions the Atlanta Constitution does
>cover scores, but mostly it is only two or three matches covering local
>colleges, and that's it.

We conducted a local petition drive about a year ago.  Got thousands
of signatures at local matches and tournaments requesting the local
media to provide more soccer coverage.  Some positive results were
seen at first but soon the newspapers and T.V. stations were back to
their old ways.  My advice is to be prepared for a long fight.
From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: letter again...
Date: 9 Oct 1992 14:21:07 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


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----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Chris,

It's me again. Just come to think of it, even sending the letters
to ABC would be great because they have their World News show
and it would be good start on them for educating some Americans
about European soccer, and thus by showing some highlights
the ABC martkeing ppl would gain a foothold over the others in
selling ads to advertisers before the WC.

All the best,

-Dave

Hey, ABC are going to show the WC! :-))))
Date: Tuesday, 13 Oct 1992 15:44:26 CET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Holland - Poland
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)

bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
>Here the expected Dutch lineup for the game against Poland tomorrow
>(= Wednesday) in Rotterdam:
>
Heb dank!
>
>Menzo            (G)
>R. Koeman        (D)
>Rijkaard         (D)
>Van Aerle        (D)
>Numan            (M)
>Jonk             (M)
>Wouters          (M)
>Winter/Vanenburg (M)
>Bergkamp         (A)
>Van Basten       (A) * Captain
>Van Vossen       (A)
 ^^^^^^^^^^
Why him?
>
>And the expected result: 2-0
Agree :-)
>
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>-    in white and red!            \/        HOLLAND                           -
Don't Ajax and Feyenoord (and Sparta and Utrecht) play in red and white as
well? :-) (That is, at the few occasions that they wear their official colours
instead of something to please their shirt sponsor or whoever they think to
please :-(
>
Groeten,
Karel
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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Re: Football in the USA
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:12:27 GMT

Christopher S. Allen (CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu) wrote:
: Re: Americans in Europe (and elsewhere)
: 
:  Capped Players
: 

: Peter Vermes              Forward           Figueras (Spain)


Peter no longer is owned by Figueras, he once again is owned by the US.

There are three players playing in the German Third Division who went over
last year from UNCC.  They all play for Wiesbaden.  

Mark McKenna vlf Osnabruek (german third division)
Richard Benigno Karlsruhe (german third division)
Peter Woodring Hamburg SV (german third division)
Chad Deering Werder Bremem (german third division)
  And there is also a teenager in Holland.  His name escapes me now but
Sport Illustrated did a piece on him last year.

And
From: gburnage@dwelly.natcorp.ox.ac.uk (Ooh Aah Cantona)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Leeds v Rangers: everyone welcome?
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:51:47 GMT
Organization: Oxford University, UK
Originator: gburnage@dwelly.natcorp.ox.ac.uk

The forthcoming Leeds United vs FC Rangers Glasgow encounter has been
designated a high risk tie, and consequently the two clubs are today
talking about banning away fans from both legs. Anyone know the scam
here? It seems an insult to the fans -- thousands will want to travel
to see the games, and a large number will probably be able to
overcome any restrictions on ticket sales through friends and
relations (not to mention netnews contacts) buying for them.
Policemen, horses, and dung shovels will be required no matter what,
so why don't the clubs just try to make sensible arrangements to keep
everyone happy?

Also, is anyone else fed up seeing this billed as a Scotland v England
match in disguise? It's not the Battle of Britain, cos there's plenty
of "foreign" players at both Leeds and FC Rangers (Glasgow), and
plenty (?) of mongrel supporters like me who were born in Scotland but
ended up in Yorkshire (or whatever), and on top of that there's plenty
of people in England/Scotland who have an irrational hatred of
Leeds/The Rangers of Strathclyde FC and who will consequently be
shouting for the "foreign" team come the kickoffs. (All this also
explains why Rangers fans love parading the union flag, I suppose...)

Gavin
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Subject: Scottish Results 7th October
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:24:22 +0000

Scottish League Premier Div, 7th Oct 1992
Celtic          1  Heart of Midlothian 1
Dundee United   1  Motherwell          1
Hibernian       1  Aberdeen            3
St. Johnstone   1  Rangers             5
From: mom@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (mark.o.modig)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: WC '94 tickets
Keywords: where?
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:49:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Oct16.114904.19352
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


I, too, am looking for info on getting WC '94 tickets. Please reply
by e-mail, if possible.

Thanks very much.

-Mark Modig
 mom@cbnewsl.att.com
 mom@usl.com
From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Blackburn Rovers News wanted - Roy Wegerle
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:29:50 GMT

Can some of the English league netters provide me with the news
about Roy Wegerle ?


Kelvin
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Subject: Re: UEFA DISGRACE: RE: Leeds v Stuttgart
Organization: Department of Mathematics
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:59:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.193351.18858@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>  You seems to forget a couple of things here:
>
>   o  At the time of the substitution VfB Stuttgart was the
>      qualified team.
>
>   o  VfB Stuttgart couldn't possibly have known what the
>      decision of UEFA would be.

You mean they thought they could do this with impunity, I think....
and they were almost right....

>
>   o  Most late substitution have limited effect.
>
>-- 
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>rorschak@daimi.aau.dk  |                4xEC1 and 2xEC3 Winner
>          AGF and Liverpool FC for the 1993 EC2 final

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From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Subject: Re: Assimilated/Leeds v. Stuttgart (IRL)
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:13:57 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

> were the case, I believe that he would still be considered eligable by the
> FAI to play for the republic because of the claim on the North.  And if not

Actually, I think the ROI has dropped its claim on the North (sometime around
1990).

Andy Lipscomb
lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
Mt. Juliet Capulets--Ultra Cricket
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From: cosc184z@menudo.uh.edu ((COSC148O) 92F00761)
Subject: Post Bundesliga 10.spieltag
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:35:43 GMT

Could someone please post the scores from the tenth week of the German first
division.

I got the 9.spieltag from this group, but can't seem to find the 10.spieltag.

I would also like to automatically receive each spieltag, or post them to
rec.sport.soccer.

Thank you.


David Alten
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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: Ban on away fans: Leeds v Rangers
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:25:23 GMT

smk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Stefan Kahrs) writes:

>I did once and the atmosphere was great, but it was a very special occasion.
>In 1986 (?), before the penultimate round of the Bundesliga,
(Third last round really - Werder was 3 points ahead and could secure the
 championship with a victory (In fact an additional goal in *any* of their
 3 last games could have done the trick))
>Werder Bremen was leading the table two points ahead of Bayern Muenchen.
>And that was the pairing of this round: Werder-Bayern.
>As you can imagine, it was virtually impossible to get a ticket
>(capacity of the Weser-Stadion: 40,000).

>To conclude the story: the game ended 1-1 with Kutzop missing a
>penalty for Werder in the last minute of the game; 

(I seem to remember a score of 0-0 but I might be wrong). The penalty 
were given against S/oren Lerby allthough it was clear from the TV screen
that the ball only hit him on the chest - something that both clubs
aggreed on after the match. The penalty from Kutzop has to be the greatest
miss in the history of German football - Pfaff throw himself into one end
of the goal and Kutzop placed the ball with great precision in the other
end, on the post ... Centimeters away from the championship.

>Bayern won their
>last game at home against M'gladbach and Werder lost their last game
>in Stuttgart --- with Bayern winning the championship on goal difference.

A difference of 11 goals.
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