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From: kmartin@sedist.cray.com (Ken Martin)
Subject: Re: Auburn  Schedule  (Also 3 week stretch)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:31:09 CDT

In article <1992Aug11.153813.15019@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> 
wakankar@foxtrot.egr.msu.edu (Parag Wakankar) writes:
> Doesn't Auburn play last three games with Florida, Georgia and Bama 
   every year?
> 
> It is calleed "deathCorner" or something like that.

F.Y.I., it is referred to by Pat Dye as "Amen Corner" (and lately, prayers 
are about all that seems to help Auburn!).

I would like a response from a current Auburn student, (or someone who 
really knows this season's football offering) on how Auburn should do this 
year.  

*  Did we lose many key positions, and if so, does it matter?
*  Is Stan White expected to produce this year?
*  Is Pat Dye ready to coach again?  (He had lots of distractions last 
    year)
*  Is a quarterback coach like Randy going to be able to coach a 
    high-powered offense when he played in a Wishbone attack?
*  What's the story on the #1 nationally drafted running back from South 
    Carolina?  Is he even eligible to play, and if so, is he expected to be 
    great, or what?
*  What's the latest on the Eric Ramsey crap?  NCAA investigation or not!?

Just let me know about any interesting information you may have about this 
year's team!

Thanks,

Ken Martin
AU 1990
  

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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:58:52 GMT

Timothy C Pitts writes:

>Yale          1879-85   47    42-0-5   Princeton    6-5

Two run homer in the bottom of the ninth . . .

     - Pat
.
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- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
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From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Subject: Re: Bowl Records
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:52:02 GMT

daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu writes:

>I've compiled some bowl statistics that I though everyone would like
>to look at.  One note, I COULD NOT FIND STATS FOR THE INDEPENDANTS, so
>you won't see Notre Dame, Penn State, etc.  If anyone has them, please
>feel free to post them or add to this!  Thanks.

I believe ND is quite recent to the bowl scene, having always seen
these events as sacrilegious up to the 60's (or maybe 70's, I'm
sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong about the date).  

I seem to recall that South Carolina Gamecock fans always
complain that they're the 'real USC' and they are upset
to be confused with the Trojans of Southern California. Here's
a definitive test that will end the confusion:

 
>MOST BOWL VICTORIES

>2. USC         22

>BEST % (Five or more Bowl Appearances)

>USC            64.7%

>Worst % (Five or more appearances)

>South Carolina 0%

It's also interesting that UCLA, having done so well under
Donahue in Bowl games must have been a terrible bowl team
before that! Their bowl record under Terry is something like
7-0, I believe...

>UCLA           10   7         1         .583

On the other hand, USC's 80's bowl record is quite less than
stellar, they're 3-3 in the Rose Bowl, and 0-3 in the remaining
bowl games.

>-Steve

Serdar

-- 
Inhabited by absurd fears,  they only discuss  the puerilities with which 
every fool is familiar, and dare not, by turning a bold hand to the human 
heart, offer its gigantic idiosyncrasies to our views.     Sade, 'Justine'
Serdar Boztas \\ serdar@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au \\ +(61)3-565-5722 
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From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
Subject: Florida Fans, Help Please
Summary: Brad Culpepper, why the 10th round
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:03:44 GMT
Keywords: defense florida culpepper brad

Ok those of you in the know, why was Brad Culpepper drafted as late
as the 10th round.  I thought he was a pretty good player in college,
but what do I know?  My favorite pro team, the Minnesota Vikings,
picked him up in the draft so I am now curious.  Thanks in advance
for any postings or email in response.


John Ganske -------------------------
a readheaded dad, vegetarian, cyclist, runner, volleyball player,
programmer, and all-around good guy, glad to be back in Minnesota
and soon to become small-time (very small-time) farmer 
     -----------------------------------------------------  
Unisys Corp.                            jag@unislc.slc.unisys.com 
Roseville, Minnesota                    612 635-7545  
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From: al.sorhaindo.jr.@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo Jr.) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Who do you think will win
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:38:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: al.sorhaindo.jr.@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo Jr.) 

BP>1) Washington



Isn't Washington without the services of 4/7 of last years defensive
front seven, including Emtmann, and a top draft pick at safety?

Sure, their offense will be strong, but IMHO the defensive front is the
most important part of a team. 


How does the Huskies schedule shape up? Do they manage to avoid their
nemesis UCLA again? 


I do not see Washington as being as devastating as they were last year,
They will be weaker than the '90 edition which lost two games.
(Admittedly they were only one play away from being #1 in 1990, so that
 is not too strong a statement.)

The running up of the score that Washington perpetrated last year will
come back to haunt them especially once their opponents see that
Washington is good, but not unbeatable and revenge is obtainable.

Last year Washington had only one game decided by fewer than ten points.
They can expect closer contests this season, and they have a very poor
record in close games over the last five years.


If they play UCLA, and a non-conference foe tougher than Nebraska I
predict an 8-3 regular season for Washington. Without UCLA, and
non conference games versus the likes of Akron could lead to a record
of 10-1, cosmetically almost as good as last season. Washington's
athletic department feels the same way, that is why they avoided
Miami in the Kickoff classic.


                                              Al  
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:08:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chevron

In article <20364@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:
>In article <l8flu9INN7e1@spica.usc.edu> valdis@spica.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes:
>
>>Well Husky fans, mark Oct.3 as the day that the USC Trojans will march into
>>Husky Stadium and put an end to this talk of #1 and the Rose Bowl. The Trojans
>>are mad,angry and THEY ARE BACK!
>
>>Fight On Trojans!
>
>>Valdis R. Kalejs
>>(#1 Trojan Football Fan)
>
>>PS: At SC, were not snobs,were just better than you!
             ^^^^           ^^^^

>
>You are amazingly overconfident and vocal considering your
>team finished 3-8 last year.  (Rember that?)  You are
>storing up a huge stockpile of words you may have to eat
>in a few months.
>--
>Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu

No woofing here Dave.  See?  He's saying they weren't snobs (meaning now
they are) and that at one time they WERE better than you (many moons
ago).


-- 
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GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!      |  but your heart is shaped like a bowl."
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From: black@jazz.concert.net (Rob Black)
Subject: NC State Rejects the R.S.F.C. Woofing Award
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:32:21 GMT

OK, what started out a week ago as a mere post to make the case that
my team, the NC State Wolfpack, was deserving of a Top 25 ranking, has
now turned into a couple of flame battles and a nomination for the
Woofing award.

I hereby reject this award! No one on here who's a State fan, least of all
me, has made any predictions of grandeur for the Pack. We have made no 
claims to achieving national greatness.

The facts are this:


                1: Since Sheridan has been at State we have been to
                   small average bowls 5 of 6 years.

                2. Most of last year's team that went 9-2 on the regular
                   season is back including 3 quarterbacks who have
                   proven they can play well. Not Heisman standards or
                   anything but you certainly can't say that they suck.

This makes us deserving of a ranking somewhere around 18. Is this reall
woofing? To me this seems to be a humble case for a tad of recognition.
I am willing to make these corrections:

                1: The poster who said if we beat Iowa... and then
                   jumped on to Fla. St. was being hasty. If we get
                   off to a great start and Fla. St for some reason
                   gets off to a weak start, well we do play them 
                   at home but I'm certainly not betting on it.


                2: I said what I did about Marshall trying to defend
                   the fact that we do have 3 solid QB's. My assertion
                   that I would put the Top 5 Div.1-AA schools against
                   the Top 25 Div.1-A was hasty. I do believe that schools
                   like Marshall can give the bottom 15 of Div.1-A a
                   good game most of the time.

There having said that I will gladly argue and flame my assertion that
we do have a solid team this year and IF we get off to a good start by
beating Iowa that you can look for an 8-4 or a 9-3 season and that this
should get us a mid-level bowl. God what a run on sentence that was!!

Rob Black                    black@concert.net                 Raleigh, NC
From: jay@astro.as.utexas.edu (Jay Boisseau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Butch Hadnot suspended
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:51:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug13.174530.9437@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com writes:
>Texas RB Butch Hadnot was suspended indefinitely by coach John Mackovic
>for seeking a transfer to Texas A&M.  Aggies coach R.C. Slocum told
>Texas officials of meeting with Hadnot.
>-- 
>Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com

While I realize it is only a matter of semantics, I would like to "correct"
the above statement. Mackovic suspended Hadnot for "conduct detrimental to
the team." It was not for Hadnot's _desire_ to transfer, or was for the way
he went about it. It is bad for team spirit to have important players roaming
around other schools' practices, talking about transferring. There is a "right"
way to seek a transfer, but Hadnot didn't choose it. I'm sure Mackovic will
grant Hadnot a release if he asks for one (he hasn't yet).

Lance Gunn (A-A candidate strong safety, team captain) was interviewed on the
news last night. He said that the players hope for the best for Butch, but that
they understand completely the Mackovic's decision, and that there is _no_
dissension in the ranks.

Hadnot was also suspended for poor adcademic performance, and probably became
academicall ineligible when grades were assigned a couple of days ago anyway.
The conditions to get back on the team are: (1) maintain academic eligibility
(obviously), (2) show a new dedication to his schoolwork, and (3) make amends
with the team for his actions. (1) will take a semester if he did indeed flunk
summer school, and (2) make take a new Butch...

Jay Boisseau
From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Stanford in top 10?
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:56:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.023929.5757@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
foster@leland.Stanford.EDU (Pablo Estrada) writes:

}	You just wait until the season begins.  You and the rest of the nation
}will be pleasantly surprised to see Stanford beat some of the top-ten teams. 
         ^^^^^^^^^^
}
}	I know it's hard to believe, but Bill Walsh really will make a 
}difference, even this year.  I think the top-ten ranking is well deserved.

I don't know if a top-ten ranking is deserved right now before the season;
they are still unproven, especially after the loss to Ga Tech.  But I do
agree with you that it is only a matter of time before Stanford starts to
prove that they deserve to be there.  It will not be a surprise to *me* if
Stanford beats some top-ten teams, but it will only be pleasant if those
teams do not include Notre Dame.

-Mike Noonan
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From: tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay)
Subject: Re: KICKOFF CLASSIC- NCSU's GREAT CHANCE
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 06:04:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.211912.21450@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
>
>
>  If NCSU can beat Iowa in the Kickoff Classic, this win could propel NCSU
> into the top 25 for years to come. Finally NCSU gets a chance to be exposed
> completely to the nation without having to compete with a Miami vs. Nebraska
> Orange Bowl, or the Rose Bowl like during January. It is the ONLY game in 
> August.                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^^^^

Hmmmm, I seem to recall a game of much grander proportions to be
played in Anaheim on august 26th...

>
> By the way, NCSU was #26 in the polling for the top 25. No respect.
>

Respect has to be earned...

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| Marc Tremblay                  |  Aug 26: off day for the Cardinal |
| tremblay@sunrise.stanford.edu  |  Stanford 24    Farmers 21        |
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From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Re: Which would you choose??
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:03:16 GMT

In article <BszKuG.1s4@news.larc.nasa.gov> mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson) writes:
>Cliff writes:
>
>>Why Mr. Swanger, that would be Washington State, of course.  The Husky 
>>Cougar battles in the Apple Cup are legends around these parts, but I suppose
>>that the Apple Cup is a poor victim of the vicious ECMB.
>
>Well, I for one would like to know more about it.  I would guess that
>UW would hold a significant advantage, or does the fact that it is a
>state rivalry make the series more even?

 It is a VERY heated rivalry.  Since a lot of our relatives and high school
 friends go to the OTHER school, there is a LOT more trash-talk.  :)
 It is really fun.
 UW usually posts better teams than WSU, but all of that can be thrown out
 during Apple Cup.  For example, in 1983, UW had to beat WSU in Husky Stadium
 to make it to the Rose Bowl.  UW was highly ranked and favored.  Well, you
 could probably guess what happened.  The lowly WSU beat UW and sent them
 to the Aloha Bowl.  
 I consider the 1981 Apple Cup to be very special, because both the UW and
 WSU would make it to the Rose Bowl if either won the Apple Cup.  Fortunately,
 the UW won it in Husky Stadium.  Paul Skansi made a diving catch over a fallen
 Cougar only to grab the ball about an inch off the turf in the end zone.
 
>Do both schools get up for the game?  Is the rivalry pretty much 2-way?

 Both teams definitely get up for the game.  That's why being ranked high
 and all that jazz doesn't mean anything.  Most Apple Cup games are very
 close until the second half.

>I suppose the absence of the WSU fans on the net has kept this
>"apple cup" pretty quiet.

 I've only seen one WSU fan on the net and he is in U of Arizona now.

>Please enlighten us right coasters...

 I'll leave the rest up to Cliff, since he can probably tell you more  :)

>Michael Nelson

With regards,

Behzad
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Cal News
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:46:10 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.


Several players, including Heisman candidate Russell White,
are suffering from the Chicken Pox.  Russell will be out
for about another week.  The practice in Santa Rosa has
concluded, and practice sessions in Berkeley will open this
week.

Coach Gilbertson gives the starting QB edge to Dave Barr,
a soph, but Perry Klein still has a chance if he does well
in practice.

-- 

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Randall Rhea                                        Informix Software, Inc. 
Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems    uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall
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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: CNN/USA Today Preseason Top 25
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 18:36:46 GMT

In article <876Y03eW61Ct00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
>>
>>-- 
>
>  I can't believe that California is not even in the pre-season top20
>after finishing in the top 10 after the bowls were played (beating the
>shit out of Clemson) AND has a returning player who's a serious Heisman
>trophy candidate.  But I can't say I'm all that surprised either.
>
>  Doug
I wouldn't worry much about Cal not being in the top 20 preseason.  Once Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Colorado beat on eachother a bit then lose to any other good teams they play, they'll plummet.  And it seems doubtful that Iowa will stay that high in the polls since two Big Ten teams never seem to be that impressive, especially after their champion gets crushed in the Rose Bowl.
But Cal does have some problems in the offensive line that need to be addressed.-Jason Gische
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Butch Hadnot suspended
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:50:05 GMT

In article <77921@ut-emx.uucp> jay@astro.as.utexas.edu (Jay Boisseau) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.174530.9437@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com writes:
>>Texas RB Butch Hadnot was suspended indefinitely by coach John Mackovic
>>for seeking a transfer to Texas A&M.  Aggies coach R.C. Slocum told
>>Texas officials of meeting with Hadnot.
>>-- 
>>Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
>
>While I realize it is only a matter of semantics, I would like to "correct"
>the above statement. Mackovic suspended Hadnot for "conduct detrimental to
>the team." It was not for Hadnot's _desire_ to transfer, or was for the way
>he went about it. It is bad for team spirit to have important players roaming
>around other schools' practices, talking about transferring. There is a "right"
>way to seek a transfer, but Hadnot didn't choose it. I'm sure Mackovic will
>grant Hadnot a release if he asks for one (he hasn't yet).

Sorry about that post, which was a direct quote of the lame two sentence
note published in the Denver Post that day.  I tried to cancel it when I
saw the (your?) much more informative post drawn from a Texas newspaper
article, but our news software is faulty and I wasn't able to.
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Subject: Re: Respect for NC State
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:39:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.195003.8657@u.washington.edu>, tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
> You have got to be joking.
|> Name one IAA member who has beaten a top 25 team in the past ten years.
|> How about even a close game against a IA Top 25 team (outside of the ACC)?
|> How about a list of IAA members who have beaten IA teams with winning records?
|> Yeah, I'll put a Top 5 IAA team against a Top 25 IA team any day of the week,
|> too, but they're going to lose.
|> 
|> GT

Your right Glenn.  Even my beloved Georgia Tech, back in the depressing
2-9 and 3-8 years, managed to squeak by a then top notch I-AA Furman.
Actually, I think GT might have tied Furman in 1986 (Tech was 5-5-1 that year).
I'm sure Mark Mitchell will know the answer :)  Are my years correct?


go jackets!  (on the surface, go jackets sounds might stupid, doesn't it?)
-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

         "Only sick music makes money today" - Nietzsche, 1888
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Net Trash on Bama & Miss. St.
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:20:57 GMT

>Miami gets every problem amplified.  The same is true on ND. The rules are
>different for Miami and ND.  If a player gets a parking ticket, someone would
>want the player suspeneded for it.  Last year Miami got 30-60 threads on
>Patton over the fradulent use of a credit card.  Arizona State Sun-Devils
>has two players that did the same thing not one word about it on r.s.f.c.
>This is not about discipline.  This is about hurting a team, so someone can
>beat them.  
>
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Aug. 9, 1992.
>
>Arizona State Sun Devils players QB Grady Benton and WR Derrick Land
>pleaded no contest to stealing a credit card and fraudulent use of the
>stolen credit card.  The card was stolen from a female student and the 
>two players used it to charge $175 worth of merchandise at a mall.
>
>Each player received three year probation from the court.  Sun Devils coach 
>Bruce Snyder really hammered the two players.  The Coach will make the two
>players sit out the Sept. 5 season-operner against Washington.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>Patton was told he would never play at Miami again, so he transfered to
>Texas A&I.    No one Texas A&I cares that he was a bad boy.  This is only 
>a problem if a guy is bad on a good team.  Sun Devils make them set out
>one game. 
>
>
>>>> So...what's your point here. These are athletes not saints.....

You know, the last time I checked, a gun could kill someone, and a 
credit card couldn't...  *smirk*

Not taking sides on this one, but am taking liberty of pointing out
little oversights...   GROW UP PPL..  a sportswriter getting guff on
Miami/Notre Dame or any of the other of the "big boys", will make 
his career, kinda like getting photos of the President with a 12
year old boy.  This crap goes on everywhere.  The question is...
How does each team deal with it.  Most of the "big boys" could afford
kicking the kids butt off of the team, and just refill the scholarship
on the next recruiting season.  So, what are the records for some of
the "big boys" on the subject.  I haven't kept up with any of the
Kevin Williams crap, cept for what has been said here.  I couldn't 
care less about it (unless he came packing to the cotton bowl this
year).   :-)

cmuck
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