From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 00:00:18 GMT

<1992Sep22.012523.25094@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) :
>In article <6-4n8yr.bskendig@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) :
...
>>Do you acknowledge that other women might not be financially,
>>emotionally, or mentally prepared to deal with pregnancy, birth, and
>>caring for a baby?  This is what I have the most trouble accepting
>>when people express a desire for anti-abortion legislation -- you seem
>>quite ready to accept another addition to your family, but how can you
>>justify requiring any other woman to be ready?
>
>We acknowledge it, Mr. Kendig. We acknowledge any problem that a woman
>has in pregnancy. 

You just don't care that much about her.

>However, we also acknowledge the problem that an unborn child has with
>abortion: death. 

The "unborn child" is a fictional character, Steve.  Kinda like Murphy
Brown.  It doesn't exist.

>Death is usually worse than financial ruin - you have no chance
>whatsoever of recovery after death, even if Clinton becomes president
>and his propaganda is 100% true. 

Seems there's some recrods of stock brokers commiting suicide after the
Great Crash.  Maybe they thought death was better than financial ruin.

>You have yet to understand that legislation to ban discrimination
>against the unborn != opposition to preventing the demand for abortion
>in the first place. 

Can use a few more double negatives next time.

...
>>I agree with you there -- but I look at it as destroying something
>>which was not meant to be in the first place, before it can begin to
>>really form (that is, early in the pregnancy).
>
>Who are you to tell someone that they are not meant to be in the first
>place? Who is anyone to decide that?

Who does he have to be?  And what "anyone" is he supposedly telling this
to?

>Preventing life is one thing, but once it's here - growing and
>developing at whatever size - they're here and whether or not they
>were meant to be here, is irrelevant then.  

Assertion alert.

[rapist child]
>>I understand this, and I think it's a beautiful way to look upon
>>pregnancy -- but I've also known of women who have been raped, and who
>>have loathed their own bodies for a long time afterwards.  I find it
>>very hard to believe that a woman who becomes pregnant as the result
>>of rape could ever really view the life within her as deserving of
>>love (at least not for a long while after birth); saddling her with
>>that sort of long-term committment against her will would generate bad
>>feelings more often than not, I'd think.  What's to keep a woman from
>>remembering that the child's not just hers, but also the rapist's?
>
>What right does one victim have, to make a victim out of another
>innocent life? Answer: None.  

So who's the second victim?

>>>If you're a parent, Brian, or when you are, you will have an easier time
>>>understanding exactly what I'm saying.
>>
>>I have no doubt of it (although I'm a loner, so I doubt I'll ever
>>settle down to start a family ;).  I believe that a child deserves
>>plenty of love and affection, but that the _only_ reason that a child
>>should be allowed to be born is that the mother _wants_ to give birth
>>to it.  You would, always, but some women would not; do you feel that
>>they should be made to give birth anyway?
>
>No. It is hers and my viewpoint that unborn children should not be
>made to _die_ anyway.

Well hell, Steve.  There aren't any "unborn children" dying anywhere, so I
guess you feel a whole lot better now.  Glad to hear it.  Can we get back
to the topic of abortion now?


Gordon
Pro-abortion, Pro-person, Pro-women's-rights and ex-boytoy of Susan, Muriel,
Cathi, Nora, Jennifer, Sarah, Lynn, Diana (catwoman), Diana (Sorceress), and
Beth, and married to a goddess among women, and proud of it all.
-- 
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