HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pausv@sssab.se (Paul Svensson)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: newgroup and newsgroups file
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:22:37 GMT
Organization: Scandinavian System Support AB

bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche) writes:

>>In article <1992Apr12.104410.3381@ukw.uucp> lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph) writes:
>>>Is there any specific reason to not let newgroup update the newsgroups
>>>file? ...

>How about an article header line designed for the job? If it
>doesn't exist: tough luck, if it does and fits (easy to
>check), then install it.

>As for the name, how about
>	Newsgroup-Kluge:  The rest of this line is used as newsgroup contents.

FYI: my current implementation uses "Newsgroup-Subject:".
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From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Subject: Re: Current Version of CNews?
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 06:46:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.221603.26417@nctams1.uucp> tomj@pnet16.cts.com (Tom Jenkins) writes:
>
>Will the newer version allow for 'cross-linking' between filesystems (in
>Xenix)?

Is that kinda like symbolic links?  If so, let's briefly consider
what is required for symlinks, specifically a Berkley-style filesystem.
SCO has one for 386/486, in their "EAFS" filesystem with their most
recent implimentation of UNIX SysV R3, but that's UNIX, not Xenix
which is SysV R2 based, and certainly not BSD.  Anyone who knows of
a BSD-ish style Xenix that's shipped more than 2.5 copies, speak up
now.  I know Henry's psuedo-famous for juju, but I wouldn't expect
Xenix symlink support as last I heard there's no Xenix that will
let you do this, and I think Henry's integrating the C-news re-write,
not re-writing Xenix.  Of course, one should never speculate.....
--
[mail, mail, go away....fill up my filesystem some other day.]
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From: garym@telesoft.com (Gary Morris @lone)
Subject: What happened to news.software.transport?
Organization: TeleSoft, San Diego, CA, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:22:22 GMT

What's the status of news.software.transport?  Has this idea been dropped?
--GaryM
Newsgroups: news.software.b,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Heiko W.Rupp)
Subject: Re: cnews/nntp under NeXT Mach 1.1 -- really slow?
Organization: The Home of the Pilhuhn
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 07:47:17 GMT

henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:

>>... Should processing a 62kb batch
>>take 5 and a half minutes?
>In a word, no.  Something is wrong, in either the C News setup or the
>NeXT software or hardware.

Hm, as there are a lot of NeXTs with well running C News, I think, that this
is a local installation problem.
-- 
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 VICTORIAN DOLLHOUSE you can find!!  An make it SNAPPY!!
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From: cca13@seq1.keele.ac.uk (G.D. Pratt)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.sysadmin,news.software.readers
Subject: can B 2.11 news software store article in compressed form?
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:54:38 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

Hi,
We are heading into problems with storing sufficient news to satistfy our
rapacious readers. Can B 2.11 news software, or any later version or C news
store articles as compressed (*.Z) or compacted (*.C) files? I suspect this 
might save 25-35% of space. Also can any news readers deal with this?

We run B 2.11 news on a Sequent Symmetry running DYNIX and the "cat" versions
of the manual pages are stored as compressed files and this appears to have
no disadvantages that I know of and saves a load of file space.
-- 
gerry pratt  --  workstation support  --  university of keele
email:  gerry@seq1.keele.ac.uk  --------  tel:  (0782) 583072
"these opinions are mine, mine, mine....ALL MINE I TELL YOU!"
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From: fwp@Jester.CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters)
Subject: Re: Adding Lines: to Cnews
Organization: Computing Center, Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:54:17 GMT

In article <43753@as0c.sei.cmu.edu> tgp@sei.cmu.edu (Tod Pike) says:
>Well, Henry, perhaps I'm confused then.  My NNTP daemon calls inews which
>seems to do a lot of checking.  Should NNTP call relaynews directly?

Articles posted by NNTP client newsreaders get passed to inews.  They
are 'local postings' in the sense that they are first introduced into
the news stream by the local news server.  I agree that his terminology
can be somewhat confusing given an NNTP client newsreader located 
any significant distance away from the news server.

Articles received from a remote news feed via NNTP go directly to
relaynews.

The message to which Henry was responding said:

> Since inews handles almost all incoming news [...]

This turns out not to be the case.  Almost all incoming news gets
handed to relaynews directly.

--
Frank Peters  -  UNIX Systems Programmer  -  Mississippi State University
Internet: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu  -  Phone: (601)325-7030  -  FAX: (601)325-8921
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Adding Lines: to Cnews
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:34:00 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <43753@as0c.sei.cmu.edu> tgp@sei.cmu.edu (Tod Pike) writes:
>Well, Henry, perhaps I'm confused then.  My NNTP daemon calls inews which
>seems to do a lot of checking.  Should NNTP call relaynews directly?

If your NNTP daemon calls inews for *new postings*, that's fine.  If it
calls it for already-posted articles coming in from your news feed(s),
that's a performance disaster.  You have to distinguish the two cases.
-- 
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Networking                              |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Follows sometimes fail (Cnews, nn)
From: russell@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Fulton;ccc032u)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:32:13 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

I am getting the following message *sometimes* when I try to post a
followup to a local news group.  (It may just be that I am posting
followup to local groups more often than to general hierachies.)

This problem is intermittant.

> To: russell
> Subject: follow failed
> Status: RO
> 
> awk: hdrval is not an array
> /usr/local/bin/inews: article in /dept/ccc/russell/dead.article
> 
> Your response has been saved in ~/dead.letter
> 
> Your article/letter follows:
> 

BTW we are using the Dec 91 cnews running on Irix 4.01

Thanks, Russell.
-- 
Russell Fulton, Computer Center, University of Auckland, New Zealand.
<rj_fulton@aukuni.ac.nz>
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From: lear@yeager.corp.sgi.com (Eliot Lear)
Subject: Re: can B 2.11 news software store article in compressed form?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 22:40:56 GMT

Eric Raymond's version of TMNN (Teenage Mutant Ninga News) had the ability to compress articles on the fly.  It would be a small hack to NNTP to make this work.  Also, I would be interested to know what the savings are.  My guess would be what Henry stated.
-- 
Eliot Lear
[lear@sgi.com]
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer)
Subject: Re: Really ugly inews feature request
Organization: Linda's Dragon Memorial Society
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:51:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.172032.2093@Warren.MENTORG.COM> tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>This is really ugly, but since inews is the catch-all for feeping
>creatureism I hope it gets added in.
>
>It would be really nice if inews could be more flexible when appending
>the .signature.  If the user has .signature.news.group.name and is
>posting to news.groups.name inews should pick up that signature instead
>of .signature.

An alternate idea, which I've used before, is to hack inews to recognise a
SIGNATURE environment variable, defaulting to $HOME/.signature, and then
to use rn's ability to set environment variables internally to set
overrides in specific groups.  For example, I used to use a different
signature in rec.scuba, and had a kill file with the following two lines
to simply set the variable to the special signature on entry to the group
and set it to the default on exit (no articles got killed):

&-ESIGNATURE=/u/adeboer/.sig.scuba
X&-ESIGNATURE=/u/adeboer/.signature

(I haven't gotten around to making the requisite hacks on this system yet)
-- 
Anthony DeBoer   NAUI # Z8800, D5482 | Why watch TV, when Netnews provides
adb@herboid.uucp | adeboer@geac.com  | 100% of your daily requirement for
uunet!geac!!herboid!adb              | trivia and meaningless entertainment?
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.sysadmin
From: epeterso@fenix.encore.com (Eric Peterson)
Subject: Re: Adding Lines: to Cnews
News-Software: NN 6.4.16
Reply-To: epeterson@encore.com (Eric Peterson)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp, Umax Development
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:08:32 GMT

dburr@nixhub.UUCP (Donald Burr) writes:

| Basically, what I would like to know is how to add the Lines: header to
| C News, both for incoming news (if it does not already have a Lines:
| header) and for outbound news.

The inews script has some code in it that will generate the Lines: header.
It is commented out by default in the C News distribution.  Simply search
for the string "Lines:" in inews and you'll see the code; uncomment it,
and C News will generate Lines: for you.

Since inews handles almost all incoming news, this should add the Lines:
header for you.  If you aren't using inews for one of your feeds, then
you'll need to put some kind of filter between your feed software and
relaynews that adds the Lines: header.

Eric
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: news@uni-paderborn.de (News Uni-Paderborn)
Subject: relaynews problem
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 11:27:14 GMT

What means the message "relaynews: can't file in junk group; is it absent from active?" . The dir junk and the group junk (active file) exist. What is going
wrong?

Thanks in advance 
  leini


Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: schmitz@scd.hp.com (John Schmitz)
Subject: C News unsubscribe vs "x" in active?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Santa Clara Division
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 21:05:02 GMT

In C News, what is the difference, if any, between unsubscribing
from a group on the ME line in the sys file and "x"'ing it in
the active file?
From: buehrer@husc16.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: CNews and SCO XENIX problems
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:02:07 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Subject: Help with C-News on SCO XENIX

I am installing cnews on an sco xenix 2.3.2 system.  I am currently having two
problems.  First, the out of the box newsrun gives me an error unexpected ;;
on the line following the *) in the case statement for uncompress.  Second,
relaynews does not process news.  It just hangs.  Any suggestions on what I
need to do.  I know that many of you must have done this install.  Thanks.

Tim Buehrer
timb@ksgbbs.harvard.edu

(Please mail direct.  I will check news on another system, but mail is more
direct since news is broken.)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.admin
From: gritton@alaska.caedm.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton)
Subject: Re: newgroup and newsgroups file
Lines: 24
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 13:14:36 MDT
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
	<1992Apr14.020413.19922@metapro.DIALix.oz.au>
Reply-To: gritton@byu.edu

bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche) writes:

>>Yes:  because a newgroup message does not reliably include a suitable
>>entry for the newsgroups file.  An automatic update could put in a line
>>for the new group, but couldn't supply a description.

>How about an article header line designed for the job? If it
>doesn't exist: tough luck, if it does and fits (easy to
>check), then install it.

>As for the name, how about
>	Newsgroup-Kluge:  The rest of this line is used as newsgroup contents.

Yes! The existing but seldom-used "Summary" header could be used for this.

The big advandage of using a header (especially one that already exists)
is that it's only a convention, not a protocol change. If David Lawrence
started putting newsgroups descriptions here on his newgroup messages,
those who wanted make software use the header could, and everyone else
could ignore it with no ill effects at all.

Sounds like a no-losers proposal to me.
--
James Gritton - gritton@byu.edu - I disclaim
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: stripping underlines from incoming news?
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:57:36 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <92JHBATC@cc.swarthmore.edu> hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai) writes:
>Most of our users use brain-dead Macintosh news reading programs which don't
>understand the _^H syntax for underlines.  So (as much as it pains me to do
>this, sniff) I'm going to put something like the following in newsrun:

This is Not Recommended.  For one thing, this will foul up the byte counts
in batches -- I don't remember whether the current NNTP drops multiple
articles into one file, but I think it does, and future ones almost
certainly will -- and the result will be massive news loss.  For another,
as others have pointed out, anyone else who gets news from you will get
the mangled copies.  You should do this on the reader end, not as part of
the incoming feed.
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                             -Dick Dunn |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
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From: fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.admin
Subject: Re: newgroup and newsgroups file
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:28:08 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

> >>Yes:  because a newgroup message does not reliably include a suitable
> >>entry for the newsgroups file.

> >How about an article header line designed for the job?
> >	Newsgroup-Kluge:  The rest of this line is used as newsgroup contents.

gritton@alaska.caedm.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton) writes:

> Yes! The existing but seldom-used "Summary" header could be used for this.
> The big advandage of using a header (especially one that already exists)
> is that it's only a convention, not a protocol change.

The big problem with using an existing header is that people are already
using it for other purposes.  I can anticipate someone sending out a
newgroup message with "Summary: new group creation" (not realizing your
convention), and causing everyone to get a newsgroup entry containing

new.group.name       new group creation

I'd vote for "Description: " or something similar and currently unused.

---
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1-508-967-5278   Lowell MA, USA   ...!uunet!wang!fitz
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From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: Re: relaynews problem
Organization: Software Tool & Die Netnews Research Center
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:18:02 GMT

News Uni-Paderborn:
>What means the message "relaynews: can't file in junk group; is it
>absent from active?".  The dir junk and the group junk (active file)
>exist.  What is going wrong?

This is the one outstanding problem I haven't been able to track down yet.
It's usually accompanied by other errors; those are the ones to look at.
-- 
Geoff Collyer		world.std.com!geoff, uunet.uu.net!geoff
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From: barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett)
Subject: Re: stripping underlines from incoming news?
Organization: Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:09:31 GMT
X-Bytes: 1095

In article <92JHBATC@cc.swarthmore.edu>,
hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai) writes:
> Most of our users use brain-dead Macintosh news reading programs which don't
> understand the _^H syntax for underlines.  So (as much as it pains me to do
> this, sniff) I'm going to put something like the following in newsrun:
  [code to delete _^H from news articles before filing them locally]

Please don't do that.  Your downstream neighbours (and their neighbours,
and their neighbours, even unto the ends of the net) will not thank you
for mangling articles before you pass them on.

Either fix the stupid newsreaders, or tell the users to live with the
problem, or (least preferred option) kludge your NNTP server to make the
substitution when a stupid newsreader fetches articles.  You could
identify stupid newsreaders by IP address or domain name, or merely
assume that all clients that use your NNTP server have this type of
problem.

--apb
Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
RFC822: barrett@ee.und.ac.za             Bang: m2xenix!quagga!undeed!barrett
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: stripping underlines from incoming news?
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 00:59:58 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <CKD.92Apr11180852@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
> Brad> Of course, the real answer is to define some sort of "rich text"
> Brad> format, like the Microsoft one, or the Andrew one...
> Brad> ...an appropriate multimedia format.
>
>Like MIME, preferably, to keep the commonality with e-mail that we've
>had since the B news article format came about...

Well, bear in mind that there were two versions of B News format, and
the second was a lot more mail-like than the first.  (Few people remember
the first any more.)

It is actually not clear that commonality between news and mail actually
buys us a lot; relatively few people use the same tools on both, barring
the matter of gatewaying between news and mailing lists.  However, I think
it is *very* clear that we gain nothing by trying to reinvent the wheel,
especially since this particular wheel is complicated and getting it really
round is hard.  My still-embryonic son-of-1036 draft unhesitatingly punts
all such issues to MIME and friends.  Their approaches are reasonable and
there is no point in gratuitously doing things differently.
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                             -Dick Dunn |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: cnews/nntp under NeXT Mach 1.1 -- really slow?
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:55:54 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Apr8.170936.9371@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> heath@iceblink.cs.jhu.edu (Dave Heath) writes:
>... Should processing a 62kb batch
>take 5 and a half minutes?

In a word, no.  Something is wrong, in either the C News setup or the
NeXT software or hardware.
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                             -Dick Dunn |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Current Version of CNews?
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:38:30 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Apr13.125340.10679@visual.spk.wa.us> ssanbeg@visual.spk.wa.us (Scott Sanbeg) writes:
>Well, I *thought* I'd seen where a new version of Cnews was coming
>out "in a few days," a couple of weeks ago. Is the 12/91 version
>being upgraded (not that it needs it), or were my eyes in poor
>shape?

It's still coming; it's been delayed because I do the final integration,
and I've been non-trivially ill.
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                             -Dick Dunn |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Generating an old log file somehow?
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:51:03 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <CKD.92Apr7003527@kragar.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
>The best way, given that you're using nntplink, would be to generate a
>new /usr/lib/news/log format file based on the contents of your news
>spool...
>Is there a way to do this with C news (22-Dec-91, I believe) or should I
>start running "find" now?

"histfrom" and "newsfrom" may be of help, although I suspect they don't
do exactly what's wanted.  They're the closest we've come so far.
-- 
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                             -Dick Dunn |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: epeterso@fenix.encore.com (Eric Peterson)
Subject: Re: Adding Lines: to Cnews
News-Software: NN 6.4.16
Reply-To: epeterson@encore.com (Eric Peterson)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp, Umax Development
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:05:23 GMT

ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:

|  Tod> == Tod Pike <tgp@sei.cmu.edu> 
| 
|  Tod> Well, Henry, perhaps I'm confused then.  My NNTP daemon calls
|  Tod> inews which seems to do a lot of checking.  Should NNTP call
|  Tod> relaynews directly?
| 
| I bet it calls inews for POST, and relaynews for IHAVE.
| (That's the way it should be, anyway.)

You'd lose that bet.  NNTP 1.5.11 calls inews for POST and rnews
for IHAVE, not relaynews.  Of course, news coming in through rnews
would ultimately go to relaynews and not inews.

| My distinction: locally-injected articles should pass through inews.
| This includes mail-to-news gateways, as it ain't news till it's been
| through somebody's inews (IMHO ;-).
| 
| All other articles (in our case, one small incoming UUCP feed and a
| number of NNTP feeds) should get thrown to the voracious beast relaynews.

Agreed.

Eric

BTW: Did anyone read the part of my original message (which Henry forgot
     to include in his initial reply, unfortunately) that said for news
     that does not go through inews, you'll have to put some other filter
     between your software and relaynews to add the Lines: header?
From: brad@spike.insci.com (Brad Segal)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Problem with remote posting
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:19:40 GMT
Organization: INSCI Inc.

I'm running on SCO UNIX 3.2.2 with Cnews (all the latest stuff). I can post
from the server but when I try to post from a client, the article never 
gets to the directory where it should reside. "inews" calls "relaynews"
and "relaynews" returns with a status code of 16. The article is left in 
dead.article of course.
"relaynews" is being called with a -i, -s and -d options and I just
moved the software from one SCO server to another. Yes.. I have changed
the server files to reflect the new server name. (Could I have
missed something) ANy ideas?
Please reply by e-mail at insci!brad@uu.psi.net or the address in my .sig.
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