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From: eruthstr@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ellyn Ruthstrom)
Subject: Re: gay-positive soap opera character
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:59:41 GMT

I also followed the One Life to Live story line this summer and was very moved 
by the several days of the AIDS quilt scenes.  I wrote to ABC to tell them how 
wonderful their presentation was because I figured there were probably enough 
homophobes out there picking up their pens.  It's not too late to write and 
encourage the writers to break even more ground.

Ellyn
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 00:00:11 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>>Why would this surprise you?
> 
> Because it's easier to deny it happens if you have your head up 
> your ... I mean, have your head in the sand.

Just when I thought it was safe to go outside...

> Drop into ostrich mode -- if you can't see it, it won't touch you.

Sure Mike....I guess that explains why I asked for more specifics 
on the details; 'cause I want to hide my head up my, er, in the 
sand, so I won't have to see it or be touched by it...ppfffttt to you, 
pal.  Haven't you got that KILL file fixed up yet?  

Walter
From: 00daspeakman@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman, Ball State University)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marketing
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:22:44 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1992Dec21.182337.5767@spdcc.com>, joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
> 
> from satori as I am from Muncie Indiana. 
> 
You really should come visit and throw all these conservative dorks some
attitude...


David
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Re: ObMotss: Qu'est-ce que c'est?
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 00:18:39 GMT

gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman ) writes:

>prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:
>: 
>: What is ObMotss?  
>: 

>OBligitory motss subject.  Generally used when a thread wanders off into a
>discussion of the price of yo-yos in Afganistan or something equal in 
>non-relavance to motss.

Didn't the price of yo-yos in Afganistan come up during Clinton's economic
summit?  

ObMotss: Want me to show you how to do "around-the-world"?
-- 
Brent Capps                          |        follow your bliss
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)    |       ignorance is bliss
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff) |   ergo, following is ignorance
From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:17:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.055209.27606@panix.com>, mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes:
> In article <18223@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
> 
> >this kind of bitterness upsets me.
> bitterness?????

yeah bitterness, thats what it sounded like to me.

> >In the paragraph of yours above you say that it pleases you that Andrea
> >Dworkin pisses men off, and objectifys them in a dehumanising way.
> >You go on to rationalise that by saying that you think it will help
> >them get their heads straight about the way they treat women and make
> >changes accordingly.
 
> rationalize?????

yeah, thats what it sounded like to me.

> Owen -- I realize I am no more your notion of a cogent observer than
> Melinda is, but you seem weirdly out of touch here.  Melinda is saying
> no more than this:
> 
> 	Male assurances of "understanding" the problems of systematic
> 	oppression of women amount to a hill of beans.  Most men have
> 	ZERO comprehension of what it is to be the object of a total
> 	societal negation.  

I understand that because as a radical homosexual with an agenda
that I won't hide, I've been there.

I also understand what passes for understanding amongst strayt white men
because I lived my life as one for 35 years.

>	If Dowrkin can get men, for a *few* moments
> 	of their oh-so-precious time to see an absolute negation of
> 	their worth, they *may* [if they have some capacity for clues]
> 	begin to *feel* (and not dismiss by abstraction) what women
> 	generally have to put up with every bloody second of their
> 	lives.

Strayt white men won't give Andrea Dworkin the time of day, never mind an 
oportunity to spread her bitter memes. 

I happen to know quite a few women who don't put up with it, who center
their self-worth within themselves and get on with their lives and 
tasks.

Perhaps some of that is because I am a Pagan, and in our religion, the 
feminine is reflected in our cosmological scheme as a creator Goddess...

I've always wondered at the situation within the Yahweh cults, where
women are oficially classified as second class beings?

> Have a nice day.

thanx :-)

LUX ./. owen

--
D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen

  " It will be a cold March 17th that I celebrate the imposition of
	Romes rule, on Pagan Ireland. Erin go ppphhhhhttttttt! "
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Fishing For Religion
Keywords: Arrested Development
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 12:22:43 GMT

Wow. Amazing stuff.

_Fishing_For_Religion_

I grab the hook, grab the line, grab the bait, grab the box and wait
and tackle and shackle the topic the faculty has chosen
Chosen by many, chosen by plenty, chosen by any man or woman who can
understand the topic that's known
and go by the dock, flock, and clock the topic
as I drop my hook and get a bite.

The reason I'm fishing for a new religion is my church makes me fall
to sleep
They're praising a god that watches you weep
and doesn't want you to do a damn thing about it
When they want change, the preacher says 'Shout it!'
does shouting bring about change? I doubt it.
All shouting does is make you lose your voice.

So on the dock I sit in silence
Staring at a sea that's full of violence
Scared to put my line in that water 'cause it seems like no religion's
in there.
Naievely so, I give it another go,
sitting in church hearing legitimate woes-

Pastor tells the lady it'll be all right,
just pray so you can see the pearly gates so white.
The lady prays and prays and prays and prays
and prays and prays and prays and... prays and... it's everlasting!
There's nothing wrong with praying; it's what she's *asking*.
She's asking the lord to let her cope
so one day she can see the golden ropes.

What you pray for god will give:
to be able to *cope* in this world we live.
The word cope and the word change
is directly opposite and not the same.
She should have been praying to *change* her woes,
but pastor said, pray to *cope* with those.

The government is happy with most baptist churches
'cause they don't try to do a damn thing to try to nurture
brothers and sisters on a revolution - 
baptist teaches dying is the only solution.
Passiveness causes others to pass us by.

I throw my line until I've made my decision
Until then I'm still fishing for religion!

By Arrested Development; hard and fast, spoken with anger and disgust
and wit and humor. This band is incredible.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO (was Re: Attention...)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:43:42 GMT

> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>> d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman) writes:
>> 
>> In a civil case of breech of contract, you'd have to prove that NO OTHER
>> reasons were used in the firing. The company could get out of it simply by
>> stating that you weren't living up to job expectations.
>> 
>> Even though you know it was for sexual orientation.
>
>I don't think that would work, unless your job evaluations showed you 
>really *were* a bad employee.  And WHY would a company fire a good 
>employee *just* because he is gay?  

Oy!  Silly Walter -- what do you think this fuss is all about,
fergawdsakes?
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco)
Subject: Re: Tom Snyder 
Organization: Best lil' ol' Pubnix in Texas
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:49:02 GMT

The first thing that attracted me to the Tomorrow Show was that wild theme
song he used to play.

Then I became a club jock and discovered that Dan Hartman's tune
_Vertigo/Relight My Fire_ was the culprit. Indeed the same Dan Hartman
from The Edgar Winter Group.  Didja know ol'Danny wrote "Free Ride" ? 

Makes me smile everytime I wander into Dallas' Venereal... umm..  I mean
_Village_ Station to listen to Trash Disco on Sunday nights.... :)

<sigh> Sorry. We now return to our regularly scheduled program.
)
-- 
Steve Giammarco/5330 Peterson Lane/Dallas TX 75240
marco@sdf.lonestar.org
loveyameanit.
From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Small grooming question
Date: 28 Dec 1992 17:54:12 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com

In article <1hnconINN62i@im4u.cs.utexas.edu>, osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:

|> My lover and I like it when I keep my head shaved smooth, but the
|> mechanics are kinda tough.  Knowing that various motssketeers out
|> there do the same thing, could you let us in on what kind of
|> razor (or electric) you use, how you keep from cutting yourself,
|> how you keep from missing spots, etc?

I kept my head shiny bald for a while, but the upkeep was hell.  The
recommended method for shaving it is with a disposable razor in the
shower.  The first time is tough, but after a while you get used to
the process. You can find missing spots by rubbing your head.  

Realize, however, that you will have razor stubble in about 8 hours,
and so you will not be shiny bald all the time.


|> Right now, I can't seem to figure out how to do it myself without
|> most of the above happening so we only do it once it a while.
|> We'd like to make it permanent but obviously can't until I can
|> do it myself.  Help?


You have two choices, shave every morning (which takes about 15 minutes
once you get good at it) or just use clippers and shave it with no
guard every weekend (this is my technique).


When showering/shaving, be patient, and have someone check when you
are done...  Practice practice practice...



FWA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:40:24 GMT

In article <1h6t87INNccf@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>There's no reason whatsoever 
>to listen to a single word Andrea Dworkin says.

While I certainly disagree with Dworkin, that won't stop me
from disagreeing with you about her.  Her suggestion that
true consensuality can't exist between two people where
there is a gross power imbalance is a valid one.  She then
goes ahead and denies the adulthood of the less empowered
person, and that is her great failing.  Just because she's
wrong about a lot doesn't mean that she's wrong about
everything.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu (William Hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:11:47 GMT
Reply-To: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu

Nelson Minar:
> How did you discover soc.motss? Did you find it at the same time you
> found Usenet, or later?

It was still net.motss when I started reading (oops, dating myself :-)).
I had found Usenet maybe a few months before, and was looking thru
the list of newsgroups (which was much, much smaller then).

I didn't think it was particularly hard to find. But then I've always
had a nose for sniffing out things I'm interested in in relatively
obscure places. Before I met any gay or gay-friendly people,
I'd already read lots of Samuel Delany, seen stills from Rosa von
Praunheim films, corresponded with the people who did JDs...

Bill
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: zwicky@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Arnold Zwicky)
Subject: Re: correction to end-of-year reading
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: yes, caudwell
Keywords: mystery writers
Organization: lsa, outil, stanford, osu,...
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:58:56 GMT

corrections upon corrections.  having made the typo, i then
repeated it.  cauDwell, as mara says.

mara says her mother read two of the books without noticing
that no hints were given as to hilary tamar's sex.  the question is:
what mental picture did mara's mother have of hilary tamar?

i can't judge caudwell's knowledge of law (she *is* a lawyer,
however) or cricket or various of the other domains on which
her characters discourse in such detail, but she seems sound on
textual analysis and linguistics.  from _the shortest way to hades_:

 `Oh,' said Julia again, `you must be Leonidas.'  She pronounced
 the name with the accent on the penultimate syllable, and the `d'
 as a voiced fricative, like the last phoneme in soothe.

this is just right as a description of the pronunciation in modern
greek...

arnold (impressed to find a lawyer who knows about fricatives
  and neat stuff like that)


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (C.J.K.)
Subject: Re: Church of Good Hope....Dallas
Reply-To: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com
Organization: Not very organized
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 08:29:39 GMT

snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:

>On Christmas CNN Headline News ran a story about the new Church
>of Good Hope in Dallas....

Name is "Cathedral of Hope"

>Is that Church an independent GLBO church or is it a member of MCC?

The largest MCC congregation worldwide in Dallas.  >2000 members I
think.
From: kpm@druhi.ATT.COM (Kevin Malloy (DoD #106))
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO (was Re: Attention...)
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:21:28 GMT

in article <1hvbjeINN7rv@hp-col.col.hp.com>, smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) says:
> NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com
> 
> mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>> Let us not forget the employees in Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, Kentucky,
>> Virginia, North Carolina, and elsewhere fired simply because they were
>> Gay or Lesbian.
> 
> (not to bait anyone..)  Did these places have laws that allowed this?  If 
> they did, why wasn't there any boycott movement against these states? 
> What has been done to fix those situations? 

There is a tremendous difference between a state having no law
protecting against discrimination based on sexual orientation and a
state having a law that denies "claim of discrimination" for lesbian
and gay people.

This shouldn't be a subtle difference.  Jurisdictions with human rights
laws protect rights.  Jurisdictions without human rights laws don't
protect rights but they don't deny rights either.  Colorado's Amendment
#2 denies lesbians, bisexuals, and gays their basic civil rights.
Colorado makes a much larger and more bigoted statement than the 42
other states that simply don't protect rights by denying recourse when
my rights are infringed.  [Hmmm -- I'd better quit saying this or I
might just start supporting a Colorado boycott ;-]

  					    Kevin

Kevin Malloy  kevin.malloy@att.com  		  DoD #106  1991 BMW K75RT
633 E. 11th Ave.      __
Denver, CO  80203     \/   With Liberty and Justice for all, NO EXCEPTIONS
(303) 830-2937							  Un-Do #2
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Posting Styles
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:35:32 GMT

mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:

>thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
> >Now see? That's what I hate the most about living in podunky ol' Omaha.
> >I'm always so *cheerful*! Noone ever comes here, so I have no chance to
> >get good and miserable like the people in New York, who always have
> >strange and exotic people coming from all over the United States to make
> >them feel unhappy. I haven't been depressed by a visitor for months. It's
> >just not fair.

>I understood (from some conversation at that dinner) that you'd been
>invited to go depress the Minnesotans but that you'd snubbed them.

What? I'm not even sure if I remember this (That sounds awful, doesn't
it? I don't mean it that way...). When did they extend the invitation?
(Jeez, Mara, thanks a lot. One does not confront people in public like
this...) I really hope I didn't *snub* them...

>(I hope your fathers are attending to this.  I think they ought to
>attend to your upbringing.)

Lord knows you've already got the upbraiding taken care of...

(Speaking of hair, I just shaved my head. Used a Gillette Sensor.
Make note: All-over razor burn is not fun. It really doesn't look
all that hot, but I think I can get duded up and frighten a lot of
people at the Run tonight, so it has its upside. I'm going to go
over to some friends' and see how much makeup I can borrow. I just
hope that it's grown back some when I go in for training at the
new job on the fifth...)

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: "cures" for homosexuality
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:40:32 GMT

Cread@Fwva.Saic.Com writes:

>solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>>>7.) Physical Therapy, according to one theory, prostate massage kills 
>>>    "homosexual cells" and replaces them with "healthy heterosexual cells".
>>
>>Does this work if you massage the prostate from behind?
>>-- 
> 
>Does it matter what is used to do the massaging?

Yes. Only crucifixes are effective.

John 'Jesus is my pleasure nub' Dorrance

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success stories, please...
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:39:16 GMT

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
:	Person 1: What do you want for dinner?
:	Person 2: I dunno, what do yOU want for dinner?
:	Person 1: (Realizing that this is an infinite loop)
:			White Castle Burgers it is!
:	That usually prompts Person 2 to think of SOMETHING in
:short order... :-)
:	Note that this also works in groups of people where N is greater
:than 2.  The person suggesting WCB (or something, like Denny's) has
:to actually start heading for the car, etc. which makes some of the
:other people believe [s]he is actually serious about it --- triggering
:a defense mechanism and hopefully a better suggestion... :-)

Then again, what also could happen is that Person N, N => 2, actually
likes Denny's, and Person 1 finds him/herself in a dreadfull joint,
wondering what went wrong....
								FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:10:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.063757.14583@adobe.com> asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:

>> How did you discover soc.motss? Did you find it at the same time you
>> found Usenet, or later?
>
>I followed all the discussion in net.news about the creation, and then
>when the newgroup message arrived I started reading it.  How else?

Wow .... How did you folks post way back then?  Flipping front panel
switches? :-)

<ducks>

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: dise@decoy.uoregon.edu (David Casti)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dallas (was Re: Austin, TX joins Colo. Boycott)
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:37:44 GMT
Reply-To: dise@decoy.uoregon.edu
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: cisco-ts2-line27.uoregon.edu

In article <1992Dec30.163206.10489@exu.ericsson.se> exukev@exu.ericsson.se  
(Kevin Autrey) writes:
> In article <1992Dec30.140427.2820@convex.com> cgraham@convex.com (Chip  
Graham) writes:

> >By the way, Dallas is the only major city in Texas to actively persecute
> > gays. 

Wait a minute.  I thought Dallas was the city where the police conducted an  
anit-gaybashing sting operation a few months ago...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: The Foreskin-Impaired (was Re: Drooling over...)
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:06:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.123047.22825@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>>Having a forskin increases sensitivity. This is without question. I
>>don't think this is a good thing, however. I find that quite a few men
>>w/o foreskins can't really take aggressive friction on the head of
>>their penis, and another small group of uncircumcised men don't want
>>to skin the foreskin back. I like to run my finger around just under
>>the rim of the glans when I'm jacking someone off, and about half
>>uncircumcised men will just go through the roof and stop me.

Being uncircumcised, I hereby submit myself for testing to confirm
this observation.  References (if not recommendations) available upon
request.

Brian
-- 

Brian A. Jarvis,          Rm. 4026, Sidney Smith Hall, Dept. of Psychology,
jarvis@psych.toronto.edu  University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
System Administrator      M5S 1A1  (416) 978-3948