HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: strange@zk3.dec.com (Steve Strange)
Subject: Re: DEC deal with Bush
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:14:45

In article <QePQTee00WBOQ4jBQU@andrew.cmu.edu> tw1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tse-Sung Wu) writes:

   NOTE CROSS-POSTINGS--

   I am not interested in a flame or even mildly heated debate about the
   candidates.  I just have a rumor that I'd like to know if anyone could
   confirm or deny.  I haven't seen anything posted on the net.  If I
   missed something, please forgive the rehashing.

   The daughter of a classmate of mine works at DEC somewhere and said that
   it is common knowledge among DEC employees (the story is purportedly
   floating about on DEC's email net) that a huge (30,000? employee) layoff
   has been _postponed_ until after the election at the request of
   President Bush.  And that the latter offered DEC hefty contracts in
   return for the postponement.

   Is this just a rumor, 'cause I haven't seen anything about this in the
   papers.  Not interested in flames, just want to know if this is just a
   rumor.

I have seen this rumor, but I have *not* heard any confirmation of the
rumor.  It seems a little far-fetched to me, but that's just my
opinion.  I would certainly like to know if it's really true or not.

	Steve
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From: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Charles Mok)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: DEC deal with Bush
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:08:12 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <STRANGE.92Jul23171445@hang.dec.com>, strange@zk3.dec.com (Steve Strange) writes...
>In article <QePQTee00WBOQ4jBQU@andrew.cmu.edu> tw1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tse-Sung Wu) writes:
> 
....rumor deleted
>   Is this just a rumor, 'cause I haven't seen anything about this in the
>   papers.  Not interested in flames, just want to know if this is just a
>   rumor.
> 
>I have seen this rumor, but I have *not* heard any confirmation of the
>rumor.  It seems a little far-fetched to me, but that's just my
>opinion.  I would certainly like to know if it's really true or not.

How can anyone believe some rumor as silly as that?  

1.  Bush is not as dumb as that.
2.  DEC is definitely not as important as that.
3.  No government contract is worth risking the integrity of the company like  
    that.  Not for this company.

Charles


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.bizarre
From: bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC)
Subject: Re: AIDS and those damn democrats
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,misc.test,alt.newbie
Organization: Yes
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:50:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.185817.23582@tc.cornell.edu> shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.182446.25402@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>, ra@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Starcap'n Ra) writes:
>>      That's nice, Paul.  Now please leave talk.bizarre.
>
>Gee, is all this cross-posting degrading the quality of
>talk.bizarre?  And if some of these postings don't belong
>there (ref. Tom Noyes [aka 'anonymous']), I'm at something
>of a loss to know what does.
>-- 
>       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu

Well, being at a loss should not be new to you.  Some people just don't get it.
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From: bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: BUSH
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:31:45 GMT
Organization: Yes.

In article <1992Jul24.154814.7310@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.135531.6582@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>
>>>>
>>>>Please move this discussion out of talk.bizarre and into misc.jobs.offered.
>>>>I'm sure it will cheer up all the people looking for work.
>>>
>>>If you don't want follow-ups in talk.bizarre, seems to me you
>>>shouldn't reply to it from there.
>>
>>Ok, folks. One more time. IT DOESNT MATTER WHERE YOU REPLY TO A THREAD
>>FROM. If you read it in t.b., you can still take it out of t.b. All I
>>am asking is that YOU EDIT TALK.BIZARRE OUT OF THE NEWSGROUPS LINE,no matter
>>which newsgroup you read it in. It doesnt matter where it came from; it is
>>up to YOU, the one who is following up, to put the article in its proper 
>>place. So please, if you are following up an article, EDIT TALK.BIZARRE
>>OUT OF THE NEWSGROUPS LINE. It's so simple, a child could do it.
>>
>>is this too much to ask, mr. mccall? Or are you not allowed to edit the
>>newsgroups line where you post?
>>
>No, I put talk.bizarre back into the newsgroups line when notes are
>posted from there.  I do this because of the responses I got when I
>asked someone to not bomb the alt.politics groups with dozens of notes
>whining about misposts to talk.bizarre and to take it to mail instead.
>They declined, and when I pointed out that that was a great way to
>start an inter-newsgroup flamewar, their response was along the lines
>of 'oh, well'.
>
>Perhaps you'd like to tell me what editing newsgroups lines has to do
>with politics?  Physician, heal thyself.  Maybe you guys over there
>should take care of your own, Mr. Dobson?
>
>-- 
>"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
> in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.





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Don't worry about Dobson Fred, he has his head further imbedded in his
ass than you do.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: HRP Cartoon
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:06:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.134616.23455@stortek.com>
v042517@stortek.com (Vince Dugar) writes:
 
>I'm sorry (not really) if I don't use *your* reallity filter.  I don't
>accept that the Democrats have stopped being Democrats or the Repupblicans
>have stopped being republicans just because they are using the "c" word
>(change).  HRP, it seemed was the first viable *choice* we've seen in a
>long time -- I'm puzzled at the whole thing -- along with everyone else.
>
I suppose Perot was a choice in the sense that he represented another
potential box on the ballot. But what did he promise in the teeny snippets
that managed to escape from his campaign? Well, he did say that he thought
taxes weren't too high, and that we needed an industrial policy and more
restrictions on trade, banning imports.
 
In other words, he was pretty much just like the Democrats. As a businessman
he wasn't very pro-business, but why should he be? EDS made the bulk of Ross'
money selling DP services to the governments. As far as his sympathy for the
common man, ask some of those common men and women who signed outrageous
employment contracts with EDS, trading years of freedom for negligible
"training". Or the computing professionals here in Detroit who resigned and
transferred in scores when EDS brought its warm and friendly face to GM.
Yeah, he'll send execs to spring you from an Iranian jail, but only if you're
VP level and above ;-)
 
He also promised to be a man who couldn't work with others. Reportedly his
campaign fell apart when Ed Rollins told him that he either run a serious
campaign or forget about winning. He fired Rollins. He wanted to dictate
everything from above.
 
Of course, some people like that in a leader. There are still those older
folks in the Soviet Union who get nostalgic about Stalin. And let's not
even talk about German in 1939 ;->
 
           --mike
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: padutton@wpi.WPI.EDU (Peter Alan Dutton)
Subject: Re: GEORGE WILL: Bush should leave
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:58:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.081213.11131@leland.Stanford.EDU> coyote@leland.Stanford.EDU (The White Blackbird) writes that George Will writes:
>
>
>Suppose  Bush said  the   heck with it,   I've got fish  to  catch and
>grandchildren to   catch  them with.

Using one's own grandchildren as bait? Now that doesn't sound like good
family values to me!

Fishily,
Peter

(followups to alt.english.usage??)

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,comp.sys.dec
From: dmanning@odin.unomaha.edu (David Manning)
Subject: Re: DEC deal with Bush
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:55:35 GMT

klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee) writes:

>|> The daughter of a classmate of mine works at DEC somewhere and said that
>|> it is common knowledge among DEC employees (the story is purportedly
>|> floating about on DEC's email net) that a huge (30,000? employee) layoff
>|> has been _postponed_ until after the election at the request of
>|> President Bush.  And that the latter offered DEC hefty contracts in
>|> return for the postponement.

>I follow internal e-mail pretty closely and have never heard any fact
>or fiction bearing any similarity to this.

Ah. You're not one of the 30,000, are you?

:-)
Dave

>-- 
>Ken Lee
>DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
>Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
>uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
From: mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:45:16 GMT

In <16831BB14.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:

>>>The only reason that Clinton won out over Tsongas is that he was willing
>>>to put his campaign in deeper debt than Tsongas was.
>>
>Does anyone really doubt that Clinton won over Tsongas because he was simply
>more attractive and doesn't sound like Elmer Fudd? There were no issues
>discussed in the primary. There were no debates. It was all image.
> 

Wait...doesn't anyone remember the debate? Maybe Clinton wasn't there.
Oh well. Even so, I think there was more to Tsongas' downfall than
image; his blunt honesty and somewhat radical programs (flat tax, et
al) scared off many potential supporters (among them the very wealthy,
who *often* avoid paying any taxes by deducting themselves right out
of the IRS' clutches).
 
-- 
Matt Marx    mmarx@csli.stanford.edu    (415)725-1499
...not related to Karl, Groucho, Harpo, or Richard...
RushU2BachRushMozartVivaldiRushTalkingHeadsHandelRush
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: cah@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Allen Halsell)
Subject: Re: Pro-choice VP?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:53:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.183222.16991@infonode.ingr.com> dianne@dianne.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Dianne Ferrans ) writes:
>
>         "I understand that immediately after a rape that is
>      reported, that a woman normally, in fact, can go to the
>      hospital and have a D and C," Quayle said. "At that time that
>      is before the forming of a life. That is not anything to do
>      with abortion."

I just can't fathom this.  How can people say that DQ is _not_ out of
touch with real life?

(1) I'm sure that the LAST thing a woman would want after a rape is
to go into a hospital and have some stranger scrape out her uterus.
How insensitive!  The very thought gives me chills.

(2) Did Dan ever have the facts of life explained to him?  When does
he think conception occurs?  Well, this line is getting me nowhere,
I'm so stunned.

Let's ask again: who has the most brilliant political mind in the
White House?

-- 
 the only thing that speaks the truth is the eloquence of passing time
                 the spoken word is a jacket too tight
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: rdippold@maui.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Oh, Danny Boy
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:36:25 GMT

puccio@media.mit.edu (Jim Puccio) writes:
>| Dan Quayle's greatest hits:                                              |
>|                                                                          |
>| * 'I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret        |
>|    I have was thet I didn't study Latin harder in school so I could      |
>|    converse with those people'                                           |
>|       -- April 1988                                                      |

They were suckered.  He didn't say that.  Somebody made it up as an
example of something Quayle might say.  As far as I know, the rest are
real Quayle sideslappers, however.
-- 
If I want your opinion, I'll ask you to fill out the necessary form.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:18:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.184516.1064@Csli.Stanford.EDU> mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx) writes:
>
>Wait...doesn't anyone remember the debate? Maybe Clinton wasn't there.
>Oh well. Even so, I think there was more to Tsongas' downfall than
>image; his blunt honesty and somewhat radical programs (flat tax, et
>al) scared off many potential supporters (among them the very wealthy,
>who *often* avoid paying any taxes by deducting themselves right out
>of the IRS' clutches).

Hmm.  We seem to be confused as to who Tsongas is.  Flat tax?

And you're from California, too!

Would the primary schedule have lead to Tsongas's downfall?  Super
Tuesday came relatively early, with all those Southern states.
Clinton wins big, Tsongas's campaign financing is cut out under him,
since Clinton is now the frontrunner.  Tsongas can't field the same
advertising power thereafter, and drops out.  If NY weren't in the
middle of the schedule, what would have happened?  (Actually, probably
the non-emergence of Brown, Tsongas lasting longer through the
campaign season, but still failing since it's almost painful listening
to him.  Perhaps there may have been a floor fight during the
convention, and more of Tsongas's program included in the platform.)


Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: vai@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Aloke S Chakravarty)
Subject: Re: Oh, Danny Boy
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:56:46 GMT

Did anyone hear LarryKing's appropriate remark last night on CNN?

To paraphrase : "Well Dan, would you do an episode of Murphy Brown if your
		side of the coin was given a fair chance?"


				"I would consider it."

		"Well, I'm just trying to be helpful, in case you need any 
		 new employment for next year."


Larry - the liberal GOD.

heh.


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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: GEORGE WILL: Bush should leave
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:32:07 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <Bs9816.4n5@wpi.WPI.EDU> padutton@wpi.WPI.EDU (Peter Alan Dutton) writes:
>In article <1992Jul31.081213.11131@leland.Stanford.EDU> coyote@leland.Stanford.EDU (The White Blackbird) writes that George Will writes:
>>
>>
>>Suppose  Bush said  the   heck with it,   I've got fish  to  catch and
>>grandchildren to   catch  them with.
>
>Using one's own grandchildren as bait? Now that doesn't sound like good
>family values to me!

It is if you feed them first.  Starving grand-pups is a no-no.
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:16:33 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Jul22.125845.16877@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu> frederic@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Brian Frederick) writes:
>
>  I used to have hope.  I used to think that the American people 
>could see through the BS when it really mattered, that when the 
>situation got bad enough, they would do the right thing.  
>
>Raising taxes is political suiside, you see.  
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And economical suicide, too Brian.

>Do we elect people who are able to do the difficult job of running 
>this country, making things work, getting things done?  No. 

Do you honestly think Ross Perot would have been able to get ANYTHING
done -- good or bad?  Of course not.  He can't run the U.S. like its a
corporation; the presidency is not a CEO position.  Any economical
decisions he'd made wouldn't have made it past the economically-liberal
Democrats in Congress. 

>  People are stupid.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:18:06 GMT

>>The only reason that Clinton won out over Tsongas is that he was willing
>>to put his campaign in deeper debt than Tsongas was.
>
Does anyone really doubt that Clinton won over Tsongas because he was simply
more attractive and doesn't sound like Elmer Fudd? There were no issues
discussed in the primary. There were no debates. It was all image.
 
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From: psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Know Thy Enemy
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:10:34 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <156gbuINNnsc@agate.berkeley.edu> lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus) writes:
>Well, I think I've been reading enough of this newsgroup to figure out
>the two main Republican posters: Crisp and Galvanek.

No my friend you're way off the mark!  I am, like millions of other Americans
a CONSERVATIVE who it just so happens finds my values and beliefs and interests
most often represented by the Republican candidate.  At least this has been the
case in the last few elections and it is a fact that I rarely ever vote a 
straight ticket.

What seperates me from most liberals is that I am unwilling to accept a 
candidates word or self description of himself and look towards actions
or attempts to act instead of pre-fab political propaganda.  

Bill Clinton, like some many Democrats these past few years, likes to run
on the commonly held assumption that Democrats are pro-labor and pro-labor
and pro-middle class.  How does he demontrate this commitment?  By giving
into demands of every fringe political organization and supporting counter
productive taxation policies, regulation of trade, regulation of industry
and regulation of social behavior to the point that it is not in the interest
of anyone to produce anything because the will simply be punished for success
and have it taken away and given away as a reward for failure.

Bill Clinton believe that you help the worker by chasing companies away by
stifling growth killing jobs and then making benefits for workers mandatory.

Great!  We'll all have free health care, free day care, free this and free
that.  Great because we'll need the freebies cause we'll all be out of work!@

Bill Clinton SAYS he's for the little guy but his economic plans are tried
and failed disasters waiting to to happen again. Hell man just ask the 
investors who are already nervous about a Clinton win.  They are getting 
ready to pull the plug on their investments in the event he wins.  He's
going to help you alright, help you right into the welfare lines.. 

Bush despite my many disagreements with him, has a plan that could work 
were it to ever see the light of day. 


PSG
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.bizarre
From: gt38091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg )
Subject: Re: Space Alien endorses Clinton campaign
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:19:55 GMT
Keywords: Drops all Bush support...has seen the light

kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:

>     The Weekly World News shows our photogenic friend from parts
>unknown shaking hands with Bill Clinton this week. With this kind
>of extra-terrestrial support, the Democrats are sure to win the 
>White House...Bush was quoted as mumbling something about friends
>in high places...

are you sure the "extra-terrestrial" wasn't jerry brown???  **hehe*


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