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From:         metlay <metlay@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: collaborators
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              "bgood@SUNDAGGER.LERC.NASA.GOV" at Jan 22, 93 4:17 pm

>
>I'd be interested, not so much to solicit criticism as to find possible
>collaborators a la Team Metlay (no reason they should have *all* the fun).
>
>brian good
>bgood@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov

If ONE person takes Team Metlay's example and forms a cooperative emusic
endeavour that makes several people happy and fulfilled, it will have
served its purpose, CD or no CD.

(That's not a copout, just a fact. I *will* get the TM CD out ASAP)

--
mike metlay                |
atomic city                | "Just remember to rip out all the RAM chips
p. o. box 81175            |  and replace them with multistate core,
pittsburgh pa 15217-0675   |  for a more analog sound."
metlay@netcom.com          |                                (d. elliott)
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Original-From: alux1!wbf (William Fox)
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:42:53 EST
From:         wbf@ALUX1.ATT.COM

Subject: EMUSIC-L Compilation Tape

        If I were to put in my two cents worth, I'd say something like
the following.  Use what makes sense to you and discard the rest.

        1. One composition submitted per willing contributor.  If the
        tape you send has more than one composition on it, then cue up
        the one you wish to appear on the compilation tape.  Don't make
        the compiler guess.  Same goes for noise reduction - clearly
        specify what, if any, you used.  What tape formats can the
        compiler handle?  Cassette and DAT; master to DAT then copy in
        real time from the master DAT compilation?

        2. Email your liner notes to the compiler. (S)he will
        concatenate them all together and post them on the list.  A copy
        for the archives would be nice.  Equipment and/or techniques
        used, lyrics, inspiration, musicians, etc.; whatever you want
        your liner notes to say!

        3. Contributors should send a 90 minute blank cassette (or DAT
        for a direct digital copy) along with their contribution if a
        copy of the compilation is desired.  Self addressed, stamped
        envelope required so the compiler doesn't have to fork out the
        cash for postage.  Otherwise, you may not get your contribution
        tape back.  Don't send in your master; send a safety copy or a
        digitally copied DAT.

        4. Limit contributions to under 6 minutes to allow a variety on
        the 90 minute compilation tape.

        5. Contact a contributor for your copy if you didn't contribute
        but want a copy.  This is to reduce the work load on the
        compiler.  Alternately, somebody can look into a tape
        duplicating house and sell copies to whoever wants one.

Cheers!

Bill Fox      215-439-7217 |
AT&T Bell Labs             | Glub-blug dip woot-boof wammie,
555 Union Blvd. Rm. 1B-107 | hofr, horf, horf.
Allentown, PA 18103 (USA)  |                 Patrick Robinson
wbf@alux1.att.com          |
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:44:41 CST
From:         Gregory Taylor
              <vme.heurikon.com!gtaylor%heurikon.UUCP@CS.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: On tape copies of the Team stuff
Comments: To: metlay <EMUSIC-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>
              93 8:26 am

Mike: thanks for the consideration (and this to you lot on the other
side of the BANDWIDTH project), and I quite understand your decision
to sit on the tapes until Heck freezes over, as is your right. To be
quite frank, I was interested more in the second, slightly more.....
ah, *failed* project that you're all uneasy about. That sounded more
up my alley (to say nothing of my audience). If for some reason you
*do* decide to send the thing out into the world, I'll certainly send
you a DAT and all that.

Oh, and as long as we're here - I've gotten quite a few notes from
list readers about mentioning this radio program thing. Yes, I *am*
the same poor bastard who put together the original net tape projects.
No, I don't want to volunteer to do the next one - sorrrrrrrry. This
radio program I was nattering on about is a project of some 6 years
duration on the local Pacifica affiliate on Sunday prime (9-11 PM)
which is *not* strictly an electronic music program. The geek vox that
starts the thing calls it "A Sunday evening program of electronic/exper-
imental/classical/ethnic/improvised conduct for the discerning listener
late in the 20th century. Although I've got no particular problem with
the kind of electronic music that those "Star Streams" folks play,
this is NOT that kind of show. I've gotten a number of notes from folks
who describe themselves as "tangerine dream" stuff who want airplay on
New Age shows.

I think it'd be really dishonest of me to represent myself on those
terms, particularly because lots of you really care about what you
do. On those situations when electronic music gets played, its often
bounded on either side by Estonian Choirs and sweeps of the shortwave
band. Your uncle Nick *has* been on the radio (the bit off the last
net tape) as has been other net tape and net folks (even the redoubtable
Mr. Rossi). I get lots of tapes (particularly from more academic computer
music folks these days, since I actually *do* play the stuff. You think
it's rare to hear synthesizers on the radio? Try Csound....), but not
all of 'em get played. Dean Koonce did just 2 weeks ago. I've got
D. Harrington slotted in on an upcoming one, and an all-woman computer
music show slated for the kickoff of womyn's history month.

I just didn't want to do anything to fan the rumour that there's a
DJ out there doing a synthesizer show. Back in my serious cassette
culture days in the early 80s, I remember vividly how tough it was
to find outlets for my work - and I don't want to be the person
disappointing anyone else in my dotage.

Thanks.
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From:         The Radio Gnome <V2002A@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: collaborators

Hi,

     Whenever this collaboration is done, you should send a copy to Synkronos
Music, Wayside or Eurock.  These places are always looking for something
new.  Synkronos (Chuck Vanzyl) in particular gives special consideration to
home tapers on his show Starsend.  Chuck is a home taper himself and works
closely with D.Andrew Rath (aka Control Voltage) and Peter "Nightcrawlers"
Gulch.

                        Andy Wing
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From:         metlay <metlay@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: your mail
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              "bgood@SUNDAGGER.LERC.NASA.GOV" at Jan 25, 93 3:55 pm

>
>Comments and additions, anyone? (Why do I have the feeling that Mike Metlay
>as smiling sagely as he watches us reinvent the wheel?)

Not at all. This is a very different project than whaT I do, and has
different requirements. You're off to a good start. Hell, I might
even volunteer a piece from my personal vaults for this....

--
mike metlay                |
atomic city                | "Don't whizz on the electric fence!"
p. o. box 81175            |
pittsburgh pa 15217-0675   |                      (j. kricfalusi)
metlay@netcom.com          |
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From:         metlay <metlay@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: JX10 Sysex and XOR
Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU
              Jan 25, 93 6:14 pm

>Well first off, hello to everyone on EMUSIC-L ! I'm new here but some may
>recognize my name from r.m.s and r.m.m.s .

Oh, hi, Randy. Welcome.

>I'm trying to get some sysex stuff happening on my Roland Super JX - JX10.
>Apparently, handshaking is required. In cakewalk, only the initial 6 byte
 header
>is received (I didn't expect it to work.) In XOR where I'm using the MKS-70
>profile, XOR reports a bad header info (or somesuch) error.
>
>Does anyone have any experience with XOR and the JX10 ?

Hee ho hurnk! <sweet voice> Ohhhh, NICK....! Someone to SEE you....!
|->

The JX-10 / MKS-70 is famous for its moronic sysex implementation. I'm sure
Doctor Rothwell would be only too happy to tell you all about it....

>Any help on these beasts of hardware and software would be appreciated.

Good luck, dude.

--
mike metlay                |
atomic city                | "Don't whizz on the electric fence!"
p. o. box 81175            |
pittsburgh pa 15217-0675   |                      (j. kricfalusi)
metlay@netcom.com          |
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I'm not sure which list this appeared on, but flashner@math.tau.ac.il
asked who had a V50 synth.

I replied to him, and got the following in his reply:

>and, I have a problem since my terminal doesn't recorgnize your host
>name (crispen@foxy.boeing.com) so if u can please tell me the address
>in numbers.

I took this as meaning that he tried to FTP to my machine without
my permission.

Either that, or it's just a case of too much coffee and too few
cigarettes.  Jeez, I'm cranky today.

Anyway, I figured you'd like to be warned.  And if it turns out that
I misinterpreted his message, I'll apologize in this space tomorrow.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:06:26 -0500
From:         bgood@SUNDAGGER.LERC.NASA.GOV
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Sean Jepson writes:

>   Yes, I am willing to start such an adventure.  I think it could be
>   a lot of fun.

Quick, before he changes his mind!!!

>   Maybe we could have a index listing of what has been
>   submitted to me so that people could request what they want on their
>   tapes.  This would take a lot longer to compile each tape but maybe
>   they can be arranged in volumes.

Don't make more work for yourself--allow people to request whole volumes
but not custom compilations (which would be pretty time-consuming).
In fact, it might be a good idea to archive the volumes as they're
compiled, preferably to DAT.  I'd be willing to do that if you don't
have a DAT available, and to make any DAT-to-DAT distribution copies
people may want.

>   I would say to start sending tapes
>   today but I am not sure what information should be sumitted with the
>   the tapes

I posted some starter suggestions a couple days ago;  I can email if you
don't have them.

>   ...and how much the zeroxing and return postage would be.
>   I'm guessing it would be different for each submission depending on
>   how much the postage cost.  If every body would agree to send the
>   cost of postage + say 50 cents to a dollar to pay for zeroxing and
>   the extra added weight. I think that could work.. Don't you?

Is it necessary to send hard copies of the contributor information?
By definition anyone getting EMUSIC-L has net access--wouldn't email
suffice?

>   Please send suggestions on what the submission information should
>   include. Once that is settled then I will post the information and
>   where to send the tapes.  I looking forward to starting and hearing
>   what everybody's been working on.
>   Hope to hear from you all.... Sean

What tape formats can you handle?

brian good
bgood@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:30:06 PST
From:         metlay <metlay@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: your mail
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              "wbf@ALUX1.ATT.COM" at Jan 25, 93 11:10 am

>.  Nick does music for modern dancers and that's about all I know
>about who is doing what.  Team Metlay can't be TOO different from that,
>but I may be wrong.  Therefore, I would like to encourage an EMUSIC-L
>compilation tape to find out.

Nick represents one extreme of the Team's spectrum-- very classical, in
a way, with traditional orchestrations of nontraditional sounds. The
Team stuff ranges from that to dance-noise with several stops in between
for jazz, soundtrack music, etc. BANDWIDTH is remarkable in the relative
lack of stylistic spread it encompasses, but BETA TEST/SATURNALIA is
all over the freaking map.

>Bill Fox      215-439-7217 |
>AT&T Bell Labs             | Glub-blug dip woot-boof wammie,
>555 Union Blvd. Rm. 1B-107 | hofr, horf, horf.
>Allentown, PA 18103 (USA)  |                 Dr. Mike Metlay
>wbf@alux1.att.com          |

Sorry, Bill, but I didn't say this. I was quoting Patrick Robinson.


--
mike metlay                |
atomic city                | "Just remember to rip out all the RAM chips
p. o. box 81175            |  and replace them with multistate core,
pittsburgh pa 15217-0675   |  for a more analog sound."
metlay@netcom.com          |                                (d. elliott)
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My music?  Comes directly from the contemplation of things that shouldn't be
contemplated, and shows it.

Latest is a piece of FM (in more than one sense) metallic self-beating
insanity.  Then there's my more Tangerine Dream ('73, '74) mood.

Eirikur
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From:         Simon Weatherill <simon@HYPERION.COAT.COM>
Subject:      Editor/Librarian for Windows
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I just got Sound Quest's Midi Quest Editor/Librarian for Windows.  I'm
appalled!

I saw the add in a magazine and it looked like what I've been looking
for.  It's a global editor/librarian for a large number of synthesizers
and effects.

First of all, the font that they use must be installed - it doesn't
come with Windows.  I don't mind that so much, but the font they chose
is unreadable.  The generic SYSTEM font is much more readable.

Second, the manual is crap.  The screen images are largely from a Mac,
if they are readable at all.  The text is not very clear either.

Third, the edit windows are not very usable either.  Things are packed
tightly on the screen and the screen is not scalable.  If you try to
resize the window, nothing changes size (except the border).  The
cursor is the same old arrow, which covers up most of the things.  A
cross-hair cursor would work better.

Fourth, they don't really use the Windows environment!  In one of the
windows, there is a scrollbar on the top of the window (not the
standard scrollbar), and it doesn't even work very well.  There are
scrollbars on all the other windows (standard ones), but they aren't
even used.  Now I know that Midi Quest is available on Mac, Atari AND
IBM, but if the native environment is not used...

Are there any Windows users out there that could recommend a GOOD
Editor/Librarian that runs in the Windows environment?  I currently use
Cakewalk Pro for Windows and love it!  Something compatible would be
nice.  I actually paid more for Midi Quest than I did for Cakewalk
though it's not worth 1/3!!

Thanks,

                                Simon A.T. Weatherill
                                Senior Network Engineer

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From:         bgood@SUNDAGGER.LERC.NASA.GOV
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Joel Stern writes:

         >How about this: a list of contributors with sublistings under the
         >persons name  (and contact address) of specific tapes  they  have
         >prepared with, perhaps, the date of recording, title of  the tape
         >and  short description of contents, and  where appropriate, terms
         >of availability (for those who need to charge money, etc.)

Sounds like a good way to get started.  Here's a suggestion for the information
we may want to collect:

First, some general information about the contributor--
Name & Contact Address

Instruments Played
(we're not *all* keyboard players)

Musical Interests and Influences
(The intent is not to put everybody's music in boxes, just to give a rough
indication of what to expect.)

Terms of Availability
(e.g. Willing to copy on your blank media; media supported; $ Required)

Next, information about each available piece--
Song Title,Composer(s) (if other than above), Duration, Date of Recording

Instrumentation (What boxes did you use?)

Brief Description (What's it sound like?)

Recording Details (Anything unusual?)



Comments and additions, anyone? (Why do I have the feeling that Mike Metlay
as smiling sagely as he watches us reinvent the wheel?)

Brian Good
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From:         Andy Farnell <afarnell@BOURNEMOUTH.AC.UK>
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Comments: To: Electronic Music Discussion List <EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU>

I have an extremely good quality transport mechanism for a 1 inch tape
machine complete with autolocate and precision phase locked 80 ips speed.
It was originally from a high speed analogue data-logger. I wish to use
this to build up a digital multitrack (initally just for a stereo mastering
machine to be later expanded). Obviously the potential bandwidth is there
but I am having a hard time finding any circuits for encoding and decoding
the 16 bit serial data to and from tape. Does anybody out there know:

1) Are there any circuits or diagrams around for such an encoder/decoder
2) Will I have to use different heads (the existing ones are quite high
   bandwidth because the system used a 120kHz FM recording method).
3) Is there an IC or ready made device which will do for [1].
4) Any other fundamental problems I am likely to encounter in attempting this.

I appreciate that the above info is  sketchy and incomplete but any useful
comments will be greatly appreciated. Since this is not exactly the perfect
place to post this perhaps someone who knows of somewhere better would be
kind enough to forward it.

best regards
andy james farnell
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:22:33 +0000
From:         Nick Rothwell <cassiel@CASSIEL.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: On tape copies of the Team stuff
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>Your uncle Nick *has* been on the radio (the bit off the last
>net tape)

I have? Ooh...! I'm curious which piece/tape and what prompted you to
consider it for airplay...

                      Nick Rothwell  |  cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |  cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk
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Nick Rothwell <cassiel@CASSIEL.DEMON.CO.UK> sez:

> To be fair, Craig has been putting out monthly progress reports ever since
> the start of the project. I haven't seen anything recently, so I'll check
> up with him. I should say though that anyone involved in this kind of
> venture should not hold their breath; I don't know for sure whether the
> MUSEnet CD will make it out (for reasons of funding apart from anything
> else); if it does, that'll be great. If not, that'll be a shame.

OK, sure.  I've been going on the assumption that this year's CD
will be like last year's tapes: contributors get one free (I believe
Craig said this some time back).  Well, if he's having money problems
producing the CD, I for one would be tickled to death to pay for
mine, pay more, etc.  The point is, we need to be kept up to date.
We know that making CDs is expensive and I think most of us wouldn't
mind contributing financially.

Anyway, if you or anyone on the list happens to know Craig's email
address (I've been too dilligent in purging my mail archives),
please email me and I'll take it up with him.

Sorry for the side topic.  I definitely support anyone who's trying
to make an EMUSIC-L tape.  Just tell me where to send the money.

Bob
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please unsub me tooo
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:21:00 -0500
From:         Patrick Robinson <pgr@RAMANDU.EXT.VT.EDU>
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Bill Fox writes:
> Bill Fox      215-439-7217 |
> AT&T Bell Labs             | Glub-blug dip woot-boof wammie,
> 555 Union Blvd. Rm. 1B-107 | hofr, horf, horf.
> Allentown, PA 18103 (USA)  |                 Dr. Mike Metlay
> wbf@alux1.att.com          |
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I beg your pardon?

-Patrick ("Horf, horf, horf") Robinson
 pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu
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