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From: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu)
Subject: Re: VEDIC MATHEMATICS
Originator: editor@rbhatnagar
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 15:32:13 GMT

In article <C0ywC2.A0C@geog.utoronto.ca> GSR Gopal <gopal@geog.utoronto.ca> writes:
>mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) writes:
>
>
>
>>The book Vedic Mathematics is a big joke.  The author had simply taken
>>the stuff he learned from his SLSC class and named it Vedic Mathematics.
>>There is not a singel reference to the original Vedic slokas or other
>>ancient texts.
>
>>M Vishnu
>   there are many small books (including some in vernacular languages
>   (telugu etc) with the title "vedic mathematics". probably you are
>   referring to the one such book.
>
>  my faint memory of the book by shankaracharya was that the book contains
>  a lot of details covering varied mathematical derivations possible from
>  the vedic texts ( further, slokas are post-vedic verse form and you cant
>  expect them in vedic texts). the book contained progressions, calculus
>  etx.
>
>  i am copying the details from McGill library info sys      
>
>  AUTHOR:         Bharati Krishna Tirtha, Swami, 1884-1960.
> TITLE:          Vedic mathematics, or, Sixteen simple mathematical formulae
>                   from the Vedas (for one-line answers to all mathematical
>                   problems)
> PUBLISHED:      Delhi : Motilal Banarsidass, <1971>
> LC SUBJECTS: (ENTER LO FOR MORE SUBJECTS)
>                 Mathematics, Hindu
>     LOCATION: 1. Religious Studies CALL NUMBERQA27 I4S28 1988
>
>


This is precisely the book I am talking about.  Read it for yourself 
and see.  Do not forget to read the preface; there is a hint.

Meenan Vishnu

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From: saurabh@mailhost.cs.pdx.edu (saurabh  bhatnagar)
Subject: re: Hindu Calender (Importance of Bramha)
Status: OR
To: editor@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu
Originator: editor@rbhatnagar
Organization: Univ of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:08:34 GMT
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>From: nimisha@acsc.com (Nimisha Mehta)
>Subject: re: Hindu Calender

This is my first  posting and is in resonse to the following by
Nimisha Mehta <nimisha@acsc.com>


>> Was wondering from long if somebody knew why brahma is not prayed in hinduism
>> so much?

---------------------
 To the best of my knowledge the myth regarding why Brahma is not worshipped 
goes as follows.

	One day ( I dont know whether it was human or celestial), Brahma
and Vishnu went out for a walk. During their walk amongst the clouds they
came across a large pillar like structure. They both looked up and down
but they could not find any end to it. They decided to split and try to 
find the end of the pillar. Brahma decide to go downwards and Vishnu went 
up , both agreeing to return to the same spot , if they found something
, or if they could not find the end, after a certain period of time. They 
both moved off in their respective directions, but the pillar stretched 
endlessly in both directions. As the time to return approached nearer
Brahma got worried about his reputation with Vishnu. It was then he came
across a KETEKI flower.( A small yellow flower, I think it is common in
North India , specifically the HImalayan foothills). He told this flower
that you come with me and if Vishnu asks, tell him that you were lying 
at the base of the pillar.
	So, both Brahma and the Ketaki flower returned to the starting 
place and were met by Vishnu. Vishnu confessed that he could not find the 
beginning of the pillar. Brahma however said that he had found the base
and the flower was lying there. Ketaki also said that Brahma's statement
was true.
	It was then the pillar dissappeared in a blinding flash of light
and Shiva appeared. He said Brahma, you are lying. and so is this Ketaki.
"MERA NA KOI AADI HAI NA KOI ANNT" ( I don't have a beginning or an end)
he then cursed that Brahma would never be worshipped and that the KEtaki
flower, since he had also lied could never be used in Puja.

( Source :: AMAR CHITRA KATHA ) No i dont have any with me now, but this
one i remember vividly. Incidentally there is a verse  in the Bible, which
says almost the same thing . It goes
" I am the alpha and the omega ( the first and last letters of greek alpha_
bet), I am the beginning and the end."
	I think that there is only one temple dedicated to Brahma, which is
at Pushkar, Rajasthan. Any one know of others


Newsgroups: alt.hindu
From: udumudi@vanilla.WPI.EDU (u v babu srinivas)
Subject: Re: WE ARE ALL 'KAR SEVAKS' NOW by Swapan Dasgupta
Status: OR
To: alt-hindu@uunet.UU.NET
Originator: editor@rbhatnagar
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Rajesh Raman wrote:

:   What is Hindutva ? What is Hinduism ? Is it what is generally
:   understoood as Hinduism or is it something else you wanted to say ?
:   What is the difference between Hindutva and Hinduism ? 
: 
:   I ask all this  out of ignorance. 

also, can some one please tell me clearly how building of a Temple
for SriRama at Ayodhya would conform the definitions of Hinduism and
Hindutva that would be given?

I have my own explanation for this, but it is unclear and seems to
be simplistic and stupid.

would such a temple represent Hinduism as a whole? would the building
of the temple mean that it is upholding one belief of Hindusim over 
another? What is the identity of modern Hinduism? How would one define
it? 

can someone clarify these for me please.

-- srinivas


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From: <DXA4@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject: High Court's Unique Interpretation of Secularism
Status: OR
To: ALT-HINDU@cis.ohio-state.edu
Originator: editor@rbhatnagar
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:31:09 GMT
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HIGH COURT'S UNIQUE INTERPRETATION OF SECULARISM

Source: Times of India, January 11, 1993

New Delhi: Within three weeks of the demolition of over four centuries-old
Babari mosque, and the subsequent installation of Lord Ram's idol at the site
of disputed, but demolished structure at Ayodhya, the Allahabad High Court, on
New Year Day, delivered a detailed judgement, giving its own interpretation
of secularism, and allowed prayers and darshan at the makeshift temple.

   The high court (Lucknow bench) judges, Mr N.H. Tilhari and Mr A.N. Gupta,
while disposing off the petition by the Vishwa Hindu Adhivakta Sangh for
offering prayers at the temple drew strength from the original Constitution
depicting the sketches of Hindu gods such as Lord Ram, Shiva and Lord Krishna.
They also noted that other sketches depicting various periods were also incor-
porated in the original Constitution adopted by the Constituent assembly on
November 26, 1949.

  'CONSTITUTIONAL ENTITY': They said, by virtue of the sketch of Lord Ram in
the original Constitution adopted over 43 years ago, the Lord became a 'consti-
tutional entity and admittedly, a reality of our national culture and fabric
and not a myth". Lord Ram, and others whose sketches figure on the margins of
the Constitution pages have been accepted by the Constituent assembly as
national figures and figures of national cultural heritage and adoration, the
63-page verdict added.

   Interpreting the Constituent Assembly's decision to include the sketches
and illustrations depicting different periods of the national history in the
Constitution, the high court said the founding fathers of the Constitution
themselves chose to give a secular Constitution on the basis of such sketches
and illustrations. The judges rejected the western concept of secularism and
pointed out that the Hindi version of secularism meant "Panth nirpeksh" or
"nonsectarian and non communal secularism."

  LAWYERS RIGHT: Although the dispute on the existence of a temple was still
pending in the court and a Presidential reference has now been made to the
Supreme COurt on the issue, the high court, on January 1 itself, declared that
the Vish Hindu Adhivakta Sangh had the locus standi to contest for prayers at
the temple.

   Again, the high court sought more strength from the original Constitution.
The framers of the Constitution treated Lord Ram as "great national figure" of
the country.

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From: rajesh@juniper.WPI.EDU (Rajesh Raman)
Subject: Re: WE ARE ALL 'KAR SEVAKS' NOW by Swapan Dasgupta
Status: OR
To: alt-hindu@uunet.UU.NET
Originator: editor@rbhatnagar
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 00:25:33 GMT
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Alok Agarwal (aagarwal@Cadence.COM) wrote:
: 
: Veer Savarkar grasped this distinction as early as in 1923. "Hindutva", he
: wrote, "is not a word but a history. Not only the religious and spiritual
: history of our people as at times it is mistaken to be by being confounded
: with the other cognate term, Hinduism... Hinduism is only a derivative,
: a fraction, a part of Hindutva... Failure to distinguish between these two
: concepts has given rise to much misunderstanding".

  What is Hindutva ? What is Hinduism ? Is it what is generally
  understoood as Hinduism or is it something else you wanted to say ?
  What is the difference between Hindutva and Hinduism ? 

  I ask all this  out of ignorance. 

--

Rajesh Raman

--
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: McD's
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:20:55 GMT
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Followup-To: alt.mcdonalds
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.

Here in Columbus, OH - home of probably the most eat out 'joints' per person
in the world - McDonalds has been serving breakfast for years, though
the breakfast burritos are rather new.  BQ has been selling breakfasts for
at least 1-2 yrs.  Frankly, I prefer their bagels or crossants to the McD
McMuffin or McBisquit.  This last year, Taco Bell has gotten into the act
with 3 or 4 different burrito like breakfast sandwiches for under $1.  If
you have to put a taste into a car full of kids quickly, having to pay 39 to
59 cents is easier than $1.50 or whatever the McMuffin is these days...
-- 
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From: zimm@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Laurie Zimmerman, HHMI, Univ. of Pa.)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: FRENCH FRIES
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:32:18 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <C1IB9E.5qL@cs.mcgill.ca>, fox@cs.mcgill.ca (Colin BRADLEY) writes:
> 
> BTW, what kind of quack likes mayo on fries???  Flame away!! Hahahaha!
> (just kidding...sort of)




gee, i never knew i was a quack!  in belgium where (french) fries were first
made according to the belgians, they use many sauces, a ketchup-type thing
being one of them.  honestly, there are about 10 choices at each stand.  my
favorite was "andalusia"  i think and it was pink. it tasted like thousand
island, but without the chunky things (relish) in it.  very good!

i dearly love mayo on fries with salt.  here in philly everyone eats cheezfries
i guess to go with those cheezsteaks.  i also eat mayo with salt and vinegar.
has anyone tried that?  malt vinegar is best.  i do not recommend balsamic.


Laurie Zimmerman                         "And everybody wants a rock to tie   
zimm@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu               a piece of string around." TMBG
From: Donald Mackie <donald_mackie@med.umich.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: McDLT
Date: 28 Jan 1993 10:40:51 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Anesthesiology
Distribution: world
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In article <C1J5Ks.DrH@sunfish.usd.edu> Dan Hay, dhay@charlie.usd.edu
writes:

>Hey buddy the McLean is not made of Seaweed.  It contains an emulsifier
that is
>derived from Seaweed.  The name of this I cannot recall at the present
time.
>This emulsifier only helps to keep the water inside of the burger and
thus it
>contains less fat.  The burger is 100% beef.

Let me get this straight. 

     The burger is 100% beef. 

     An emulsifier is added to the beef.

     The emulsifier is derived from seaweed. 

     Seaweed is not beef (though help me guys, I may be wrong on this).

So the Mclean is more than 100% burger. Wow. 

This should be McDs new advertising slogan. "McLean - more burger than a
burger".
From: follick@hydra.unm.edu (Joshua Follick)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: McDonalds in Germany
Date: 21 Jan 1993 06:45:13 GMT
Organization: Paintball Underground
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.unm.edu

In article <16B559460.PHSTUD32@nyx.uni-konstanz.de> PHSTUD32@nyx.uni-konstanz.de (Pascal Gienger) writes:
>I like McDonalds very much, but I think that the prices in Germany are much
>too high. I would be interesting to know the prices of 20 chicken McNuggets
>in the other countries.
>
>Here in Konstanz, they cost 10,80 DM (that are 6,75 $ approx.) Expensive,
>isn't it ???? Ok... Hoping to get much replies.... Thanx
>
>Pascal Gienger, Uni Konstanz
>
    Here in Albuquerque, New mexico (one of The United States' fifty states)
you can often get 20 McNuggets for $1.99 on a special. You must
remember, McDonalds prices vary by region, and sometimes by store,
in the U.S. 


-- 
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Paintball is the sport of the 90s, and Lipservice Crew is the Team!!!
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From: pwoles@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (Peter Wolesagle)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: Moscow McDonalds
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:24:42 GMT
Organization: School of Arts and Sciences, UPENN

In article <C0uptu.1Dn@newcastle.ac.uk> N.C.Thomas@newcastle.ac.uk (N C Thomas) writes:
>With all this talk of worldwide McDonalds and the prices in comparison, 
>has anyone visited the McDonalds in Moscow, Russia?
>
>I hear it is very cheap for tourists but expensive for Muskovites and
>their fellow Russians. Is this true? Do they serve McVodka?
>
>Neil.

 Yes, I've been there many times while in Moscow.  The food is of MacDonalsdsdd
dubious quality, but it is fast and convenit convenient and very cheap by
American standards.  The menu is limited, though: burgers, fries, sodas, shakes
, apple pie, sundaes only.  No McVodka, but you can but  buy it rigght ouut-
side, where there is an impromptu bazaar where you can buy anynthing practically.  Sorry for the typoos --I hade editors and don't feel like messing with one
now.

Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: watagefolks@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca (The WATAGE Group)
Subject: PIZZA!!!!
Organization: Psychology, UW
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:58:07 GMT

How many other countries (outside of Canada) serve McDonalds Pizza?
The stuff here is okay if you stick to the family sizes, otherwise it tends 
to suck (i.e. personal sized).
From: ca501@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Michlmayr)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Beer in Austria (was: RE: McVodka!)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 12:59:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Well, in a previous article someone wrote:
(I forgot his name, sorry about that, no quotation either)


     They even serve you beer (McBrew) in Austria and Germany.


Yeah, that's true. But it's even valid for the most of Europe.
(continental europe). The laws about alcohol are not strict at alll.

Here in Austria you can get alcohol of any kind if you're over 16.
But, if you're younger, you'll still get it anyway (no hassles).
Thus there is no reason for McD for not selling beer.

McD (at least the store I worked in) is normally eally strict,
which means: If you look younger than 16: show your ID (or no beer).

I hope that explains european behaviour to the world.
I spoke with a lot of US-tourists and the were all surprised with beer
being sold, so I thought I'd explain the matters to you.

Regards from Austria

Thomas
-- 
Michlmayr Thomas   | No flames for bad grammar, PLEASE
University of Innsbruck, Austria  |  I'm a foreigner!!
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From: fox@cs.mcgill.ca (Colin BRADLEY)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: FRENCH FRIES
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:48:50 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <294.1607.uupcb@synapse.org> dan.lafrance@synapse.org (Dan Lafrance)  writes:
>Hi folks,
>
>        I would like to ask you all to share with me your preferences
>regarding what you perfer on your Fries. For example some like just

Dan, thanks for asking.... As it happens, I like ketchup on my fries.

Also a little salt. Not too much, though, they would be too salty in 
this situation.

As far as application goes, I tend to maintain a small puddle of 
ketchup on an upside-down burger wrapper... I find that if you
douse the fries themselves, not only do they become rather saturated,
but also the ketchup is propagated to one's fingers as the fries are 
eaten.

Glad I could help, Colin.

BTW, what kind of quack likes mayo on fries???  Flame away!! Hahahaha!
(just kidding...sort of)


-- 
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FOX@BINKLEY.CS.MCGILL.CA      Colin Bradley      McGill University, Montreal

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From: kristinw@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: McDLT
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:38:10 MDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Utah State University

In article <9301201836.AA03180@ensuing.com>, erik@ensuing.com (Erik Kraft) writes:

> 	I suspect that the McDLT was causing too many problems with orders  
> being delayed.  McD's is very concerned with getting the customer out of  
> the way (read:get the next one in line served so we can add another digit  
> to the sign outside).  The McDLT was a problem in that everytime I ever  
> ordered one it had to go back to grill (a secret McCodeword meaning it had  
> to be processed in the McMicroWave).  The McDLT was just too good a burger  
> for McD's so they replaced it with the McLean Deluxe (made from seaweed).

Eric, before you start saying anything you should check your facts.  I worked
at McD's for one year.  To "grill" something back, means to special order it. 
What they do is make it fresh for you instead of having a bunch warming up in
the bin.  The reason why they quit the McDLT's  was because of the packaging,
and not a high enough demand.  The McLean Deluxe is made from Caratogean, not
seaweed.  It is a byproduct of seaweed, but hardly a close relationship.
From: field@cae.wisc.edu (Michael Brian Field)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: FRENCH FRIES
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:35:08 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering


	Instead of just plain old salt, how about little packets of seasoned
salt, like :  
		Garlic Salt
		Cajun Spice
		Celery Salt
		a Mrs. Dash type combination
	They could be the same size as those ribbed iodized salt packets.
Hmmm. . .tasty!

	-Mike
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: kaya@world.std.com (Kaya Bekiroglu)
Subject: Re: McD's
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:19:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.064518.13788@ultb.isc.rit.edu> csc2212@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>
>Wait a sec....
>Isn't Burger King the real culprit.  They are the ones that Constantly use 
>microwaves on a day to day basis.  McD's only uses them to warm up my 
>blueberry muffin.  Burger King takes a patty outta that grease pit and puts
>it on a bun and then nukes it.  Right? (or wrong????)

Partly right.  BK uses the microwave to warm apple pies and hamburgers.
While the hamburger still tastes good unmicrowaved, 'nuking' it gives
it a little extra heat.

On Whoppers, deluxe sandwiches or anything else that has mayonase or
lettuce on it only the meat is warmed in the microwave, and then
combined with the cold part of the hamburger - McDLT style, I guess.

I don't see how using microwaves deteriorates the product, however.
The 'burgers are only in there for about seven seconds.  Since BK
and McD's food preperation methods are essentially the same, the question is
whether you want your food hotter than usual.

>
>Chris
>--                              ___   ___    ___   
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>csc2212@cs.rit.edu         |   \___  ___/   \___  | Then don't read them.     |


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Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: McDLT
From: dhay@charlie.usd.edu (Dan Hay)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:43:39 GMT
Reply-To: dhay@charlie.usd.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.

In article <9301201836.AA03180@ensuing.com>, erik@ensuing.com (Erik Kraft) writes:
>In article <1993Jan18.205514.5264@b15.ingr.com>  
>bmr@gonzo.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Bruce Reagan) writes:
>> 
>> 	By the way, whatever became of the McDLT?  Was it a victim of
>> environmentally-conscious packaging (they had that great 2-compartment
>> styrofoam box) or did it just have sluggish sales?
>>
>	I suspect that the McDLT was causing too many problems with orders  
>being delayed.  McD's is very concerned with getting the customer out of  
>the way (read:get the next one in line served so we can add another digit  
>to the sign outside).  The McDLT was a problem in that everytime I ever  
>ordered one it had to go back to grill (a secret McCodeword meaning it had  
>to be processed in the McMicroWave).  The McDLT was just too good a burger  
>for McD's so they replaced it with the McLean Deluxe (made from seaweed).
>
>And hey, before you McFlame me (oops, flames aren't found at McD's), I  
>like my sushi (and McSushi) wrapped in McSeaWeed, but a burger shouldn't  
>be made from it.
>
>Have a nice McDay.
>
>--
>Erik Kraft	Programmer/NeXToid, Ensuing Technologies
>NeXT-Mail: erik@ensuing.com
>SnailMail (Work):  4220 S Maryland Pkwy. #406B  Las Vegas, NV  89119


Hey buddy the McLean is not made of Seaweed.  It contains an emulsifier that is
derived from Seaweed.  The name of this I cannot recall at the present time.
This emulsifier only helps to keep the water inside of the burger and thus it
contains less fat.  The burger is 100% beef.   Fact proven.  Evidence: Have it
analized if you want to be so cynical of the greatest fast food service in the
world.   

Dan the man.

Oh yeah P.S.   Your Mclean couldn't have been Microwaved as McD's only recently
started to use High-powered Q-ing ovens in their restaurants(microwaves.)
As a result and considering that McD.L.T.s havent been around for at least two
to three years and the Q-ing ovens have just been put into commission in the
last year it is imppossible.    

Have a great McDay!
From: kwp@ukc.ac.uk (K.W.Pang)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: FRENCH FRIES
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:00:01 GMT
Reply-To: kwp@ukc.ac.uk (K.W.Pang)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

Dan Lafrance writes:

>        I would like to ask you all to share with me your preferences
>regarding what you perfer on your Fries. 
>                                                Dan...
 

I prefer to use the sauces that you get from Chicken Mcnuggets, this
is simply wondeful. Curry sauce is the best for me. All the usual 
sauces such as Tomato sauce, salt and vinegar are just too normal.
 
Have you also tried putting the fries in your Big Mac!???

Kam. :-)
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