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From: jrod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (J. Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Great Britain National Teams
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:48:16 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

There was an article in a magazine last year from France about the national
FAs from Britain.  It said that one main reason that they will not merge is
that they would lose the three other votes in UEFA and FIFA and they do not
want this to happen.

Politics is more important than football of course.  :-(

John

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From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Re: Montreal got a new concession in the APSL
Summary: APSL gets bum rap 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:10:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.130446.9894@st-andrews.ac.uk> dmg@st-andrews.ac.uk (David Gill) writes:
>A lot of articles mention the APSL but no one ever describes it. Does anyone
>know anything about it?
>

Yeah, acronym for American Professional Soccer League.

>What sort of interest is there in the league : are the teams well known in
>their home towns? Do they get decent write ups in local or national newspapers?
>What sort of attendances to the matches get? Are any matches on TV?
>

More or less, usually you'll be lucky to know that they are playing in town.
I've never seen more than half a page devoted to them in the local papers
at best. When the team loses, you might find a line or two about the match.
But the local paper does have the league standings daily when the Maryland
Bays, Washington Stars and Diplomats existed (3 teams in WashDc area!)
few years ago.

>Also about the actual league itself: does anyone watch any of the games?
>What standard is the football thats played?

About 1500 ppl for the Dips (95% hispanics + me :-) ),
      3000 ppl for Stars  
      2-3000 ppl for Bays

At best, the top APSL teams could survive maybe mid-table in the Premier
League IF they trained full-time, but you have to recognise that they are
still part-timers and they play a pretty good brand of footie considering
their past results against some teams from this region.

>Which is the most succesful team? and have any APSL teams played friendlies 
>against foreign teams, and if so how have they done?
>

Maryland Bays 3 - Dragoon FC  (sp?) (El Salvador) 0
Maryland Bays 0 - Catunese (Brasil) 3
Maryland Bays 2 - Millionarios (Colombia) 1
Maryland Bays 0 - Sheffield Wednesday 2

S.F. Blackahwks 3 - Guatemala 2
S.F. Blackhawks 2 - Chivas (Mexico) 0
S.F. Blackhawks 2 - UNAM (Mexico) 1

Those results i have saved in a file, there may be more, so anyone who knows
please post.

>As someone who doesn't know anything about football in the US I'd like to
>know how popular the current league is.
>

Now you know. :-)

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From: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring)
Subject: Re: Germany-Brazil
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:54:22 GMT

shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:

>Does anyone know anything about a friendly match to be played this
>week between Germany and Brazil???

Yes, I do

>-What day is the game?  

Wednesday

>-What time (always thinking about satellite TV possibilities!)

I don't know: probably Brazilian night-time?

>-Where is the game being played?

In Brazil, Sao Paolo I think

>-Are both teams expected to bring top line-ups?  

Yes, Romario plays for Brazil

>Any info would be great.

>Thanks,

Don't mention it...

>Ken Shadlen
>University of California at Berkeley
>shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu

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From: solodov@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov)
Subject: Re: making justice
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:41:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.004625.45674@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2huushack@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>	
>	How can you be so dumb!!! You place Barcelona as the best team
>in the world when they have just got their deserved second rank
>position, after losing 2-1 and being completely controlled by Sao
>Paulo.
>	Your knowledge of soccer is so centered in Europe that you
>probably don't even know that in the moment Sao Paulo is the best in
>the world.
>
>	Greetings,
>
>	from a soccer fan who wants justice to be made .
>
>P.S. - I'm totally impartial because i'm not a Sao Paulo fan.

   It's not that I am a barca  fan, but
people who think that the team that ends up on top is
necessarily the best always amaze me.
Michael.
From: bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: New SOCCER NEWS groups
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:12:14 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs179.bnr.co.uk

In article <1992Dec16.104809.2513@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.162533.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>> In article <1992Dec8.163038.15645@news.nd.edu>, ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
>>> Perhaps a group rec.sport.soccer.predictions.scottish would remove alot of 
>>> the more annoying confusing traffic.  I sometimes have a hrad time working
>>> out that they are not results.  Can't you keep your predictions to yourselves
>>> or email?
>
>usually the word 'predictions' tells you what the news item is.......

Doesn't tell anyone where or what the predictions are all about though
does it? You have to look in the article to see that it's the same old
Scottish predictions again. If people actually put a bit of comment about
why they think the result will go their way then all well and good. Just
putting in a list of scores is of interest to nobody.

-- 
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BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
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fingers" - Barry Davies commentating on the Spurs v Arsenal FA Cup semi
From: reds@gribb.hsr.no (Svendsen, Trygve       7-95)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: top 10 national teams
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:30:56 GMT
Organization: Rogaland University Centre

In article <1992Dec11.100414.5697@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
>From: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring)
>Subject: Re: top 10 national teams
>Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 10:04:14 GMT

>andersen@s1.elec.uq.oz.au (Hans Andersen) writes:

>>In article <1992Dec9.143606.10726@ericsson.se>, lmdck@ludvig.ericsson.se (Denmark, ole' ole') writes:
>>|> > Well, the joking is over, no Ireland or England in the top 10. Here's my
>>|> > - unbiassed - opinion:
>>|> > 
>>|> > 1) Belgium
>>|> > 2) Brazil
>>|> > 3) Argentina
>>|> > 4) Fiorentina
>>|>      ^^^^^^^^^^ -> Including the danish star player B. Laudrup
>>|> > 5) Holland
>>|> > 6) Italy
>>|> > 7) Rumania
>>|> > 8) England
>>|> > 9) Switzerland
>>|> > 10) Chili
>>|> > 
>>|> - Remember the semi-final this summer ??
>>|>   So where is Denmark !
>>|> 

>>Here it is:
>> 
>>1)  Denmark
>>.
>>.
>>.

>>Who cares about the rest?

>I do. And I really don't care about Denmark. They get a lot of attention these
>days, just because they're European Champions BY LUCK! They surely weren't
>the best playing team in Sweden, but... Goals decide matches. What was the
>best team then in Sweden? That was - unbiased!!! - Holland.

>If there wouldn't have been a knock out system from the semifinals on, Holland
>would have been the Champ. They got most points (4 games played, 6 points, more
>than all other teams). 

>It's just the same with Peter Schmeichel being chosen the best goalkeeper in
>the world. What a joke! He's not exactly bad, but not world class either.
>And then Zubizareta second, and Hans van Breukelen third. Zubizareta is a
>joke as well, whereas Hans van Breukelen is world class, together with
>Marchegianni (or how do you spell that?) from Torino.

Remember Italy-Switzerland mate..............

>To complete the posting with some current 'number 1 team' results:
>0-0 against some pretty good countries, like Lithuania, and that other ex-
>soviet countrie. Congratulations!

>>Ole' Ole'

>Ole, ole ole ole ole, we are the champions, we are the champions!
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From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: top ten teams in the world
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 14:05:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.154934.16260@ugle.unit.no>, pasand@Mari.Unit.NO
(Per Annar Sandaune) writes:
|>
|>The conclusion is:  You (Conor) and Nelson think that Pele is the best player
|>of all times, I think Maradona is best.  Period.
|>
 ...especially when you consider that he's as good with his hands as with
 his feet! ;-)

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From: PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: PSV Eindhoven - MILAN
Date: 11 Dec 1992 13:06:49 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

      If Romario is the best player in thw world, then MVV is the best team in
Holland!
                                                             Panos
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From: tim@research.nj.nec.com (Tim Van Der Avoird)
Subject: Re: Turkey-Holland
Originator: tim@mercury
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:36:10 GMT

In article <BzGnEL.tF@cs.columbia.edu> robin@cs.columbia.edu (Jacques Robin) writes:
[..]

>No Van Basten and no Bergkamp?

Who? Did these guys ever play for the Dutch team? Haven't seen them
score any goals lately... Are you sure you spelled these names right?
Van Basten sounds like Van Vossen.

Tim


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From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Subject: Re: Why Spurs hate Arsenal (was Rivals (or, who do ya hate?))
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:37:40 GMT

In article <1gahioINN1u2@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk>, bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:

[stuff deleted]

Well, I will not expand on the 1001 reasons why we hate Spurs, I just want
to reminisce on an incident that took place in the 1986-87 season.

Arsenal were playing Spurs at Highbury (I think it was a Sunday and it was
a televised game). There we were standing at the North Bank (which is no more)
anticipating the teams to come out of the dugout. Here come Spurs
amidst loud boos from our end as they start warming up.
Glenn Hoddle kicks the ball to Ossie Ardilles and the two start passing
to each other (20 yards away from each other) as they slowly move towards 
the North Bank.
Each one of them would receive the ball, control it in the air, do a brilliant
trick or two and then pass it to the other that would repeat the same.
They exchanged around 15 passes and the ball never touched the ground !!!
Finally they reached the goal and one of them kicked the ball in the net.
The entire North Bank remained completely silent during this demonstration of 
amazing skill. Then we saw them laughing and realised it was a wind up.
I still remember that for 15-20 seconds I was in awe. God, was I intimidated,
I thought we were going to get stuffed.
That's when I realised that I will hate Spurs for the rest of my life (:-))

> 
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From: kyl2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kevin Y Lui)
Subject: Re: top ten CLUB sides
Reply-To: kyl2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kevin Y Lui)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:45:42 GMT

The top ten football club this year:
*depends on their performance in EC competition
*on their performance in League and Cup games
*also on how competitive of their league is


1. AC Milian
2. San Paulo
3. Ajax
4. PSG
5. Barcelona
6. Bayer Mucehien
7. PSV
8. Porto
9. Dortmund
10. Glasgow Rangers

P.S. Comments are very welcomed


					Kevin Lui.
From: 2005bj@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: RULE CHANGES
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:43:05 -0500
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.

SOCCER IS UNDOUBTEDLY THE MOST EXCITING, AND MOST ENTERTAINING SPORT IN 
THE WORLD.  THE NEW RULES IMPOSED BY FIFA IN THE PAST YEAR HAVE GREATLY
CONTRIBUTED TO THE GAME OF SOCCER. I THINK, THOUGH, THAT THERE ARE STILL
SOME CHANGES IN THE RULES THAT MUST BE CONSIDERED.  THE GAME CLOCK 
SHOULD BE STOPPED WHENEVER THERE IS AN INJURY, OR WHEN THE BALL GOES OUT
OF BOUNDS. THIS WOULD PREVENT PLAYERS FROM KILLING TIME OFF THE CLOCK
ON PURPOSE. ALSO, THERE SHOULD BE A GREATER NUMBER OF SUBSTITUTIONS 
ALLOWED.  WHAT DO YOU THINK?  SEND ME YOUR RESPONSES!

MARCOS DE SOUZA   (TODO MUNDO TENTA, MAS SO O MENGAO E' QUE E' PENTA!)
From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Fitba' Review of the Year
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:03:52 GMT
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--
In article <1992Dec17.151342.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:

|>1992 Football Review of the Year
|>================================
|>
|>1992 was the year Rangers waltzed past Leeds United, were crowned
|>British Champions and made it into the Champions League. 

And in fairness to the ITV commentary team they did admit that Rangers were
almost as good as Leeds when the Gers were 4-1 up on aggregate.

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

 On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
 facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
 relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
 find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
 to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby 
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From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: Rivals (or, who do ya hate?)
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:25:22 GMT

In article <00964EA8.05F960E0@vax.nott.ac.uk> ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot) writes:
>Forest fans reserve their hatred for Derby & Liverpool, in fact about the
>only thing that we have had to smile about this season is Derby's home form :-)

Harumph!  I don't understand this.  Derby are such a friendly team :-)


>Leicester fans for some reason always hated Forest, but Forest fans tend to
>treat them with disregard, especially after they joined forces with Derby
>fans for one particular assault. Since then Leicester fans have been 
>taunted with ' wheres your Derby bodyguards'

I can't believe Derby fans and Leicester fans could ever join forces.
Derby and Leicester fans hate each other!   Its a sheer quirk of fate
that several of my "friends" in England are Leicester fans!!!!  We all went
to school together at Ashby de la Zouch Grammar School (High School to the
Yanks) which is in Leicestershire, but only a couple of miles over the
border from Derbyshire (God's Country) where I am from.  The balance
was always leaning towards the Leicester fans, but the Derby lads always
give as good as we got.

I have been to several Leicester City games with my mates from Grammar
School.  The Derby-Leicester games were always the most fun.  I was
"forced" to be in the home fans section at Filbert Street with me mates
one match.  My ears were sore afterwards from the constant chants of
"Sheep Shaggers!!!" (alluding to the Rams nickname) to my fellows across 
the park.  Me mates were really upset when we came away with a 1-1 draw
after the Foxes had outplayed us :-)

At my last Derby-Leicester game six or seven years ago (probably longer,
it was on a trip back home) I managed to coerce some of my Leicester buddies
into standing with me in the home fans section behind the goal.  It was
glorious.  The Rams thrashed 'em 4-1 and at least three of the goals came
in the second half right in front of our eyes only 20 yards away!!!!
It was heaven!

Cheers Ian!  (I happen to like Notts Forest [intentional "s" :-)] since
I've never been involved with the rivallries like I have been with Leicester)


-- 
Garry Archer Esq.	archer@hsi.com

For the Campaign to bring back Brian Clough and The Mud Bog to Derby County FC.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re: RULE CHANGES
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:34:04 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1992Dec16.131920.26672@europa.asd.contel.com> andy@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com writes:

> I agree with all his points except the changing the substitution rule.  
> Hopefully FIFA is happy with the effectiveness of the new backpass rule and
> they won't be so afraid to try and change something else after 1994.  There's
> only a couple of more things they could do to enhance this marvelous game.

Indeed. Isn't it curious that only a relatively minor change (banning the
backpass) has had such a huge and POSITIVE impact on the game?! Soccer was a
fairly decent game even during the "dark ages" of the 1970s and 1980s - one
or two intelligent rule changes should restore it to its former glory (that is,
the wide-open game of the late 19th and early 20th centuries).
---
Let's see: when I did my rule changes survey two years ago (58 r.s.socceroos
took part), the following four suggestions received the most support from you.

1) Ban the backpass                         (Accomplished in July 1992)
2) Allow more substitutes to enter the game (FIFA now allows 11 subs on the
                                             bench, only two players may
                                             be replaced)
3) Relax the offside rule a bit             (FIFA briefly experimented with
                                             moving the offside line closer
                                             to the goals)
4) Stop the clock during stoppages in play  (Sadly, no reaction from FIFA
                                             yet).

These four should be enough, and it is encouraging that FIFA already has
introduced 1 1/2 of them. That proposal #4 on the list has been ignored is 
one of my pet peeves, soccer desperately needs it [sure, the referee is
supposed to take care of the job but as we all know it does not work that way
at all]. Suggestion #3 is more difficult, I used to be in favor of moving the
offside line to the edge of the penalty area. The problem is that it would
encourage the British long-ball game and probably force teams to keep immobile
"meat walls" of defenders close to the goal at all times. The end result would
be lack of space for attackers around the penalty area. The obvious compromise
is the North American Soccer League's 35-yard-line, a move that produced more
goals according to some. FIFA is said to be studying the 35-yard-line concept.
---
What do our former NASL fans think? Did the 35yd.-line have a positive impact? 
 
> Andy
> 
MARCU$
From: dvp@oasis.icl.co.uk (Geezer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rivals (or, who do ya hate?)
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:02:50 GMT
Organization: The Mountains of Madness
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

waring@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Martin Waring) writes:
> 
> >
> >I'm surprised that there has been no mention of the strength of feeling
> >between Liverpool and Man U
> >
> 
> Yes, it is surprising as this (IMHO) must be the most violent of rivalries.
> 
> >Who's that lying on the roadway?, Munich 58, we understand.
> 
> For those interested in totally shameful songs sung on the terraces of
> England, the words to this song are
> 
> Who's that lying on the runway,
> who's that lying in the snow,
> it's Matt Busby and his boys,
> making all the f**king noise,
> 'cos they can't get the aeroplane to go.
> 
> It, of course, refers to the disaster at Munich airport in 1958 in which the 
> Man United plane crashed on take off (i believe) in heavy snow and
> most of a very promising all-star team were killed.
> 
> There is another theme on this sung against Liverpool (I think) but I cant 
> remember it.
> 
> I also dont know the name of the tune to the above ditty, perhaps someone can
> help out.
> It is also rather old-fashioned now (as most football fans who frequent
> games now werent even born in 1958) so is probably not much sung
> -- it was certainly becoming less popular at Villa park when I was there before
> 1989.
> 
> Tony Begley -- any Villa match reports much appreciated, as are any other 
> English match reports.
> 
> 
> -- 
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tony Begley ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Dept. Of Mat. Sci.                    "What is all this 
> SUNY @ Stony Brook                     tremendous peer pressure
> NY 11780                               to have a snazzy signature"

Another sick yank who is cordially invited to come and sing his songs
at Old Trafford.

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