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From: magnus@bark-fddi.ii.uib.no (Magnus Alvestad)
Newsgroups: alt.magnus.and.ketil,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Hijacking of democracy Re: S.R.I.A.
Date: 15 Nov 92 02:56:17 GMT
Reply-To: magnus@ii.uib.no
Followup-To: alt.magnus.and.ketil
Organization: UVBS -> SFK/T-DSA / SOPS - HOS / RNoN

>>>>> On 15 Nov 92 01:52:49 GMT, khalid@bu-bio.bu.edu (Rasheed A. Khalid) said:

	Rasheed> I am apalled to read about what quite vividly appears
	Rasheed> to be a cheap conspiracy staged by non-Ahmadi Muslims
	Rasheed> on the net against Ahmadi Muslims.  An unauthorised
	Rasheed> person, Mr. Jaffery, posted the Call For Votes (CFV)
	Rasheed> for the proposed newsgroup
	Rasheed> soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya (moderated) even though
	Rasheed> he was never appointed to do so.  The mainstream
	Rasheed> Muslims (made up of 72 sects) by far outnumber the
	Rasheed> tiny lone sect of Ahmadi Muslims and yet are involved
	Rasheed> in unbecoming actions like this

Hmm... is this what the TNHD calls a Religious War?

-Magnus
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From: SHERIS@EARLHAM.BITNET
Subject: Re: My campaign...
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:01:00 GMT

>>  So in my world, Tharkhold and Orrorosh are growing. Bigger.
>>Stelae of these two dark realms are being planted left and
>>right. And Orrorosh has dropped another Maelstrom bridge in
>>my world: In southern California (heh heh). And Tharkhold
>>has spread past L.A.

Interesting.  I assume, then, that The Gaunt Man is not in a maelstrom
with the Heart of Coyote in your world, and that the Apocularum in
Tharkold was not fused into a hunk of metal.  What _did_ happen in
your world instead? BTW, "Orrorsh" is the correct spelling. Same with
"Tharkold" (no second "H").

>Mankind is the one thing that none
>of us can escape, and it's, IMHO, the single source of true horror.
>       Consider it.  The most horrific classical monsters are not just
>vague abominations that can swallow a dozen men (these monsters are left to
>Aysle, and other heroic fantasy realms).  The best classical monsters
>(VAMPIRES, among others) are, or at least once were, HUMAN.  The vampire
>myth is horryfying not because of dozen or so people are murdered by the
>monster (on that scale, it couldn't hold a candle to wars, plagues, etc.),
>but because it shows the deterioration of an individual into a monster.

   (stuff deleted for space reasons)


>>-- Andrew Akins
>>   aka Brother Andrek
>>   Iowa State University
>>   arakins@iastate.edu
>>
>       Please post more about your campaign, how well it's going, and
>how you're handling the horror theme.  I would really like to know
>how you convey the atmosphere properly.  I always found that SKs were too
>hard to kill (munchkin weapons/armor, and being able to reduce damage with
>Possibilites) to really work in a horror game.

You need to read the Orrorsh book more closely if you haven't already
done so...there is one thing in there that makes things pure fatal hell
for SK's.  Its called "marking for death", it's one of the things a horror
can do with the power of fear, and removes the SK's ability to remove
damage with PP's for that scene.  As for munchkin armor/weapons, just
remember that armor that is contradictory to the axiom gives no protection
when the SK is disco-ed.  If no one is disco-ed, wait for a setback result
to come up and slap the knights with automatic disco if they are
contradicting, no matter what they roll.  You *are* allowed to do that,
ya know.

>
>
>--Anthony Greene
>-Mobius!  Oh, Mobius!  Come out, come out, you rat-headed llama...
>
                                Glory Card, Glory Card, Hallejuah!
                                        Isaac Sher
                                        High-Lord of Earlham College

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From: oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes)
Subject: Re: Nile Magic
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:54:02 GMT

actually, after long thought, i kinda like Toth,
but i just dont like the idea of him having a planet
("planet? Toth, god of all knowledge, dont need no stinkeen planet!")
and if we use Ptah, even more so, since he is somewhat
"above" the other egyptian gods

also, the use of the planet does cause that 129 mil conjunction prob
(of course, if we assume toth/ptah is the unknown planet X,
 then there are the small conjunctions, the big conjuction (at 3 mil),
 and the REALLYREALLYREALLY big conjuction at 129 mil -
 how old is the Nile/terra reality anyway? hmm...)

dave "contraditions in word and deed" oakes
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From: lucke@plains.NoDak.edu (Kyle Lucke)
Subject: Types of characters
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:48:44 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

A couple weeks ago, there was a message detailing the different types of
characters from each cosm that are a Munchkin's favorite, a Real Man's
favorite, etc.  I would really appreciate it if someone could email me or
post it here, cuz I did not have a chance to save it.  Would really
appreciate it.


-- 
--------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------
Kyle A. Lucke		        |     "No one in the world ever gets what	
Electrical Engineering Major    |       they want and that is beautiful" 
lucke@plains.nodak.edu          |   They Might Be Giants, Don't Let's Start 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	Anything I write should be taken with a grain of sand.
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From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Subject: Re: My campaign...
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:31:27 GMT

In article <gatemail1.0b3141323479915@morticia> Brother Andrek <arakins@iastate.edu> writes:
>

>  The Nile Empire has, unintentional, become the laughing
>stock of my campaign. Nile stormtroopers are buffoons in
>my world...so no one takes Nile seriously...I might have
>to change that :)
>
   Nah, I pretty much summed it up for my players at our first game..

   Player: "Shouldn't we not be killing all these guys left and right...?"

   ME: "Nah, you're in an NE pure zone, remember? Every single one of these
       guys is named Achmed... It's only from the sergeants on up that you
       should get worried..."


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From: agreene@mta.ca
Subject: Re: The Land from Below (was Re: social axiom)
Reply-To: agreene@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:37:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.164846.8668@cheshire.oxy.edu>, wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.070755.8556@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:
>>Grant writes:
>>
>>
>>>This is a problem; apparently, the LB is just 'flowing up' to the surface,
>>>apparently due to Greg Farshtey's desire to see New York under the effect 
>>>of the Law of Wonders. This begs the question: how will we get rid of it?
>>>Has the LB's reality suddenly become stronger than CE's?
>>
>>This begs the question of what is left in New York to come under the
>>effect of the Law of Wonders!  It's been over two years of being under
>>the Living Land reality - even the parts in the dominant zone are
>>going to be 60% transformed to something of Living Land reality!  And
>>the pure zone, which covers most of New York, has a 100% transfor-
>>mation rating after two years!
>>
> Bah. Bother WEG not with these petty rules and regulations. :)
>
> Lessee... the possibility surge uproots all the LL stelae... yeah... and then,
>since the surge is so powerful, BOOM! All the transformed bits and people of
>New York flip back to Core Earth, and THEN... instantly transform to LB rea-
>lity... uh huh... and the surge is SO strong, see, that it resparks everyone
>both times, so nobody combusts or nuthin'... yah, that's it! That's the ticket.
>
>-- Clint, And Farshtey said, "Let there be the LB... and there was..."
> 
>
No. No. No.  You've got it all wrong.  This whole business is a simple
matter of the designers at WEG appealing to the almighty power of
Kansas Jim.  Kansas Jim can do anything.  In fact, that whole Living
Land thing NEVER HAPPENENED...yeah, that's it.  It was all just a massive
hallucination...yeah...invoked by the might of Kansas Jim.  The people
don't HAVE to be resparked once OR twice.  Unless of course, the Almighty
Kansas Jim wants them to be resparked, just for the heck of it...yeah, that's
it.  In fact, they could be resparked a dozen or so times...yeah...or
as many times as the Almighty Kansas Jim wants them to be...


--Anthony Greene
...offering the sacred bowl of Pea Soup to the Almighty...




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From: oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes)
Subject: Re:  A spell...
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:18:09 GMT

[spell deleted]

looks good, but i also cannot vouch for the numbers
(i have done one spell, and it was for permanent transformation,
 so it was truly rediculous to begin with...)

one thing though:
the intent of the spell is to keep people from hearing noises,
or otherwise being woken (?) up by outside stimuli -
i would think the stat to overcome would be PER, not MIN
(since they would use per to hear/feel/etc)

i think the normal sleep spells have to beat MIN because they 
are actually causing "damage" (putting to sleep for X time),
and TORG uses MIN as a mental TOU (at least for the net)

you might also want to look at Deafen and similar miracles from the LL

dave "and soon he might even own a book to quote from!" oakes
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From: burt@ptltd.com (Burton Choinski)
Subject: Re: Nile Magic
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:11:14 GMT

Steve DeSanto Comments:
---------
  I personally pictured the Nile magic system as being very mystical, using
mathematics, yes, but also having other influences.  This is not mathematics
as we know it.  I don't think Nile mathematicians just write equations on a
paper and *poof*.  There's even a picture in the SB of a man, presumably a
mathematician since it's on that page, sitting in a mystical symbol drawn on
the floor with lots of drawn numbers and runes, candles, etc...
---------
This is what I originally thought, which is why I used it, but both sides
have points.  I personally still prefer it to be there.  What's the general
consensus?

------
  One other note:  the Great Conjunction (or whatever they call it)
supposedly happens every 3,000,000 years.  By adding the planet Thoth, will
this conjunction happen only every 129,000,000 years?  That may require some
changes in Nile religious dogma somewhere.
------
I have altered that section of the design process, which removes the need to
add Thoth, thus keeping more in line with the SB.
     -- Burton
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From: Brother Andrek <arakins@iastate.edu>
Subject: My campaign...
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:23:18 GMT


  It just occured to me that I have been posting
templates, creatures, and spells, but I have not 
described my actual campaign. I thought some of you
might be interested...so here it goes:

  I had decided to base most of my adventures in
California. The reason being is theat Core Earth,
Tharkhold, Nippon Tech, and Living Land are all
close together (for adventuring purposes).
  The patron of the party (the sponsor, if you
would) is a Vampire. Yes, a Vampire. However, it
is a Core Earth Vampire -- not an Orroroshian
Vampyre. This fellow used to know Dracula himself
(in my core earth, Dracula was not a legend...although
most people don't believe he was a vamp). My vampire,
while not being a nice guy...does not want Earth invaded.
ESPECIALLY by Orrotoshian Vampyres (he considers them
upstarts, and he is disgusted how they have sold themselves
to the Gaunt Man). My vampire provides the party with cash
and jobs to do...
  The party is comprised of:
     An Orroroshian Werewolf (surprise!)
     A Lorbat Warrior
     An Asyle Giant Warrior
     An Asyle Mage
     A Nippon Tech Ninja (another surprise)
     A Nippon Tech Yakuza Enforcer
     A Cyberpapacy Knight Templar
     A Cyberpapacy Renegade Hospitaler

  How my campaign differs from the "official" campaign:
  I LOVE horror. Love it. And most of my players do too.
When we bought TORG, we fought over wether to buy TORG
or Vampire...we decided TORG simply because we could
have a simple Horror campaign if we wanted...but we
can also branch out. We have not regretted the decision. :)
  So in my world, Tharkhold and Orrorosh are growing. Bigger.
Stelae of these two dark realms are being planted left and
right. And Orrorosh has dropped another Maelstrom bridge in
my world: In southern California (heh heh). And Tharkhold
has spread past L.A.
  The space gods are confused in my world, and they are
arguing among themselves on what to do...consequencly, they 
are not involved.
  The Cyberpapacy is faltering...
  The Living Land has reached a "status quo"...
  Nippon Tech is SLOWLY growing...but Tharkhold is reacting
violently to it...
  Asyle is stable...
  Land Below hasn't even come into play yet...
  The Nile Empire has, unintentional, become the laughing
stock of my campaign. Nile stormtroopers are buffoons in
my world...so no one takes Nile seriously...I might have
to change that :)

  That's about it...

  Thanks again for your help Kansas Jim and everyon else...
Don't worry, I imagine I'll have some more comments/questions
later....:)

-- Andrew Akins
   aka Brother Andrek
   Iowa State University
   arakins@iastate.edu


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From: burt@ptltd.com (Burton Choinski)
Subject: Re: The Land from Below (was Re: social axiom)
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Grant:
--------
>This is a problem; apparently, the LB is just 'flowing up' to the surface,
>apparently due to Greg Farshtey's desire to see New York under the effect
--------

To which Kansas Jim replies...
-----------
This begs the question of what is left in New York to come under the
effect of the Law of Wonders!  It's been over two years of being under
the Living Land reality - even the parts in the dominant zone are
going to be 60% transformed to something of Living Land reality!  And
-----------

That's the wonder of it!
:)
        -- Burton
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From: "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Subject: Re: A SPI Question
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On Wed, 11 Nov 1992, Jim Ogle wrote:

> Colin writes:
> 
> > Well, I must express some disagreement with the guru  :)
> 
> Another one!  Now I know how Baruk Kaah must feel.... 8-)

Don't let Greg Farshtey hear about this.  :) tz'Ravok will bubble up
through New Mexico!

> > I assume you mean Direct Invocations.  Invoking a miracle *always*
> > requires faith and focus.  And as for Direct Invocations, I have assumed
> > since I first read it that the comment about only focus being required was
> > a misprint, and that in fact only *faith* is required.  After all, without
> > the ability to focus 'standard' miracles, the only option open to the
> > majority of the faithful is to just pray a whole bunch, based on their
> > faith, for a unique one-time result.  That is a direct invocation.
> 
> Yes, I meant direct invocations.  The rules say "no faith rating is
> necessary when performing an invocation, as the spirit or diety is
> providing the spritual energy necessary for the miracle."  (rulesbook,
> p127)  Of course, you still have to have Faith (otherwise the diety
> won't listen to you in the first place), you just don't need to bother
> with determining what the Faith value of the attempt is because the
> energy isn't coming from the cosm or from the faithful, its coming
> from the diety.

Well, I can see this point.  And, yes, I do plan on following the (loose
:) SPI axiom guidelines.  But I still feel that faith should be required
for direct invocations, whereas focus need not apply.  I should have
another post up by the time you read this which says why, based on an
average 1 faith add churchgoer.

CJW

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
  =====  Colin J. Wynne                     Washington & Lee University  =====
  =====  cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu              Lexington, Virginia      =====
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From: oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re:  NPC
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:45:51 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas
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dont listen, its obviously a NT trick to get one of their 
agents taken to the bosom of the Nile God Squad, only to then
be attacked by the false Focus Boy when they least suspect it!!!
(now where did i put my costume with the blue star over the face...)

and now, the one, the only, accept no ninja in platform shoes:

Focus Boy!

Dex 8 - combat skills? hes a sidekick!
Str 8 - see, hes not a ninja!
Tou 8 - them Tou 7 mages just die too quick
Per 8 - pretty bright for a sidekick...
Min 9 - Egyptian Religion 12 (has too remember all those holidays)
Cha 11 - you look good in them tights, boy!
(all Good Nile individuals please subtract 1 poss for reading that line...)
and of course:
Spi 17(14) - reality 18, super-focus 23(17)

power flaw: roll again for character interaction against anyone with 
            any form of faith(nile or egyptian) - this includes Inc Sed!

remaining skill points spent on those useful side kick skills:
scholar(how to get stains out of spandex), scholar(just where 
is the oil filter on the Ptah Ptransport anyway), Science (dont
touch that!), charm(look cute after toughing that and hope they 
dont spend the poss to kill you), manuver(shower ettiquette), etc
(again, please subtract 1 poss if you wondered what 
 manuever(shower ettiquette) was...)

coming soon:
Focus Boy! Summer Fun Special #1! (i love the nile!),
wherein Focus Boy is kidnapped by "Lightning-out-of-the-dark-cloud-man"*
and the Weird Scientist for acts so horrible that we cant mention them
here (ayep, -1 poss!), so he can be saved by the God Squad once again!

(and not one of these polybagged, 17 different covers in every color
 imaginable, with collectors cards and movement enhanced chromo-prism
 trifold covers and pop-up centerfold coupons for a signed poster of
 Focus Boy and a taped recording of "Help me God Squad!" -
 which you know is just a NT plot to suck our valuable resources!)
(and if you subtracted a poss, you are a sick puppy - subtract one more!)

you can join the Focus Boy Fan Club though,
and get a decoder pyramid (1:1 scale) with enough ovaltine lids...

dave "* - translated from the german, of course" oakes
From: oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re:  Learning New Miracles
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:58:30 GMT
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Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu) is also a jealous god:
 ! > Evidently, characters can (according to some sourcebook) take multiple
 ! > faith skills, and thus use miracles from BOTH (or ALL) faiths involved.
 ! ???  I don't think so!  
 ! If you can find it in a TORG sourcebook somewhere I will travel to
 ! Honesdale myself and cause severe trauma to a certain group of game
 ! designers....

make them plane reservations now - the smooge was right!
the SG SB says that to avoid the religious conflict
(and to be able to cast any miracle in the SG areas)
one must get an add in faith(akashan) IN ADDITION to any other adds
implying that one can have more than one faith(skill) -
my ruling would be that they cannot be contradictory in ANY way

now i would not go so far as to have pantheon worshipers 
take faith in each separate god, or even allied gods -
people either worship the ENTIRE pantheon [ie - faith(Nile pantheon)],
calling on the appropriate god for the occasion
(works only for pantheons like greece and egypt,
 where most of the gods got along, and did their jobs)
or have faith in one god of the pantheon [faith(neptune)],
but will provide lip service for the other gods,
so as not to offend their patron diety (much like the romans)

walking around with various adds in disimilar religions IS bogus,
and i would personally say that faith(akashan) is a unique "meta-faith"
that supercedes the tennents of the initial faiths, but allows one 
to use previous religious convictions when appealing to aperios
("god" and "aperios' sub form named 'god'" are separate entities,
 even in the belief that aperios is all things - diff base, diff faith)

i would also say that faith(akashan) is the only faith that uses WEGs
"spectacular miracle -> lose one add, convert rest" method of conversion,
as opposed to the "faith is ablative protection" that KS Jim uses

 ! Only the Eastern Land is being screwed by the Land Below, so the US
 ! forces will still have to kick lizard butt in the Western Land to
 ! truly get rid of the Living Land by WEG's vague deadline of "next
 ! spring".  

but the western land lacks a bridge, and would seem similarly doomed...

dave "but WEG invented reality trees to have their cake and eat it too" oakes
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From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Subject: Re: The Land from Below (was Re: social axiom)
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:48:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.070755.8556@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:
>Grant writes:
>
>
>>This is a problem; apparently, the LB is just 'flowing up' to the surface,
>>apparently due to Greg Farshtey's desire to see New York under the effect 
>>of the Law of Wonders. This begs the question: how will we get rid of it?
>>Has the LB's reality suddenly become stronger than CE's?
>
>This begs the question of what is left in New York to come under the
>effect of the Law of Wonders!  It's been over two years of being under
>the Living Land reality - even the parts in the dominant zone are
>going to be 60% transformed to something of Living Land reality!  And
>the pure zone, which covers most of New York, has a 100% transfor-
>mation rating after two years!
>
 Bah. Bother WEG not with these petty rules and regulations. :)

 Lessee... the possibility surge uproots all the LL stelae... yeah... and then,
since the surge is so powerful, BOOM! All the transformed bits and people of
New York flip back to Core Earth, and THEN... instantly transform to LB rea-
lity... uh huh... and the surge is SO strong, see, that it resparks everyone
both times, so nobody combusts or nuthin'... yah, that's it! That's the ticket.

-- Clint, And Farshtey said, "Let there be the LB... and there was..."
 

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