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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:24:06 EST
From:         SOMITCW@VCCSCENT.BITNET
Subject:      IEF287I - NOT CATLGD 2

 On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:44:56 ITA, AFCO73@IRMFAO01 said:
>   Would anyone have a good solution to the 'IEF287I ...  NOT CATLGD 2'
>annoyment?  We run MVS/XA and currently have 4 storage volumes - - -

    If you system is up-to-date, apply PTF UY70926-9202 for JBB2223.
 Read the cover letter for implementation information.
 You should order a maintenance only CBPDO tape to make sure that you
 have all needed PRE-REQs and CO-REQs and to get current HOLDDATA.

    If you have an old MVS/SP before 2.2.3 you may need a usermod or
 to upgrade.  IBM should be able to tell you.
 Note: MVS/SP V4 is cheaper than V2 for small machines.

    For newer systems, UY70926 has the following IF-REQs:
 HBB3310 UY52513, JBB3311 UY52514, and JBB4410 UY52242.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:02:00 EST
From:         "Chip Freund -- LAN Manager, JCU,
              (216)397-1614" <FREUND@JCVAXA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Software Licenese - Class & Lab use

Greetings;

One solution might be to use something like Saber Meter to count the available
copies on one server and when that server ranout of concurrencies attach to the
second server via a dumby username and use those concurrencies until they were
used up.  Date and time checks could be instituted to prevent preempting(sp?)
the class room from access the software.  If you need greater detail I would be
glad to take this off-line.

Chip Freund
LAN Manager
John Carroll U.
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:41:00 EST
From:         "Chip Freund -- LAN Manager, JCU,
              (216)397-1614" <FREUND@JCVAXA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Software Licenese - Class & Lab use

Saber Meter and the other Saber products (Saber Menu, Print manager and LAA)
are produced by:

Saber Software Corp
P.O. Box 9088
Dallas, TX  75209
(800) 388-8754
(214) 361-8086

The Saber product family runs on MS-DOS or Windows based PCs.  It supports must
popular networks (Novell the best).  I have just learned that Saber Meter may
no longer being sold separately.  Saber LAA bundels Menu, Meter, Print Manager
& Secure)  It is sold in 10, 25, & 100 user packs. (List $395, 695, & 2495,
respectively) Discounts from distributors like Egghead are quite good.


Chip Freund
LAN Manager
John Carroll U.
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:25:10 CDT
From:         Larry Pickett <C4898@UMSLVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Software Licenese - Class & Lab use

Thanks for the info I'll follow up on it.
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:16:23 CDT
From:         Hugh Lewis <hlewis@TUSOL.CS.TRINITY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Software Licenese - Class & Lab use
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Sorry about that... AppleServer 3.0 does a similiar function.
 for the macintosh. It does a pretty good job of regulating use on software
on a server, but working with 3.0 is a little more confusing than the manual
states. But what's new with Apple Software.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:14:58 CDT
From:         Hugh Lewis <hlewis@TUSOL.CS.TRINITY.EDU>
Subject: Re: Software Licenese - Class & Lab use
Comments: To: LIAISON%UGA.bitnet@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU

Depending on the software you are planning to use on the macs, most
companies offer an educational lab pack for a fraction of the cost. For
example, Mircosoft Word is available for $600 for 10 licenses for 10
machines. Aldus and Symantic offer similiar programs.

Hugh Lewis
hlewis@tusol.cs.trinity.edu
Trinity University
San Antonio, Texas 78212
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:14:57 CDT
From:         Hugh Lewis <hlewis@TUSOL.CS.TRINITY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Software Licenese - Class & Lab use
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AppleServer does a
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:07:22 CDT
From:         Larry Pickett <C4898@UMSLVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Software Licenese - Class & Lab use

On Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:02:00 EST Chip Freund -- LAN Manager, JCU, (216)397-1614 s
>Greetings;
>
>One solution might be to use something like Saber Meter to count the available
>copies on one server and when that server ranout of concurrencies attach to the
>second server via a dumby username and use those concurrencies until they were
>used up.  Date and time checks could be instituted to prevent preempting(sp?)
>the class room from access the software.  If you need greater detail I would be
>glad to take this off-line.
>
>Chip Freund
>LAN Manager
>John Carroll U.
>FREUND@JCVAXA.JCU.EDU  - Internet -
>FREUND@JCVAXA          - BITNET -


Sounds interesting what platform does it run on and do you have a
method of contacting the vendor??
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:59:05 CDT
From:         Larry Pickett <C4898@UMSLVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Software Licenese - Class & Lab use

We are just establishing our first set of computerized classrooms and
I'm looking for a way to optimize our number of microcomputer software
licenses.  We obviously need 1 copy of a given piece of software for
each computer in the classroom, we also need some copies for use in
the laboratories.  Thus far the classrooms and labs are using different
file servers and so we may be compelled to purchase a quantity equal
to the number of machines in the classroom plus the number needed for
the lab.  Obviously the copies for the classroom will not be used
except during class times and that number would more than serve the
lab needs.  Does anyone have IBM and/or MAC solutions to the apparent
excess need?  Oviously if the same server was used for both the apparent
duplication wouldn't be there so please leave that solution out.  Perhaps
some sort of central Key Server that would count the number of copies in
use regardless of where exists??
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:09:12 EDT
From:         Richard W Wiggins <RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      How do you manage per-copy orders?

We now belong to several HESC groups, including AIX ones with various
items shippable with per-copy fees. I'm trying to figure out how to
manage orders from individual departments across our campus. As far as I
can tell the following is true:

-- There's no way to specify a "ship to" address as I order something
under HESC. All individual orders will come to me (the lucky HESC
coordinator).

-- All HESC deliveries are undifferentiated. I can't tell whether the
box that just arrived was shipped due to order "A" or order "B".

If both of these are true, I can't picture how to manage this. I'll get
a flow of orders from departments, and a flow of boxes, but no way to
tie the two together. I could set up an inventory database showing "I
owe unit X 3 copies of product 1234-5678" but things get split into
multiple shipments (manuals separate for instance) so this could get
complicated. If I could have an "ATTN:" field on the mailing label it'd
be so much easier.

I understand that a big part of HESC is the central point of contact on
a campus. That's a lot easier to deal with when we're talking copies of
VM/ESA than when we're talking tools that may go on a bunch of RS/6000.

If someone has a good plan for coping with this please let me know. I
hope I'm missing something obvious. Send me private mail if you'd prefer.

/Rich Wiggins, Michigan State U
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:34:26 CDT
From:         Robert Carr <C130RDC@UTARLVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: How do you manage per-copy orders?

Well it certainly is a BIG headache (right now getting an
ACCURATE invoice is a bigger one) handling original and update
software and documentation shipments.  The key item for us has
been a report that our branch office gets for us.

The report is titled 'CUSTOMER INSTALLED PROFILE' and lists all
the software licenses for a specific processor Model#/Serial#
combination.  For each license, the report includes program#,
serial#, install date, and all feature codes.  Since each software/
documentation shipment shows the program#/serial# for the license
that 'generated' that part of the shipment, I can look up the
processor/serial# tied to that license and route the stuff to
the appropriate group.  The report is also useful for verifying
that a license was cancelled or feature codes were indeed updated.

We still have problems getting our branch office to enter accurate
processor/serial# info, so we've had RT software licensed to one
of our 4381's or to made-up systems (e.g., 5162/00286 or 6150/00ALL).
They have been real good about getting RS/6000's entered correctly.

You may get some resistance from your branch office since it
reportedly is no simple task to get a complete report.  They first
have to do a query to get a list of processor/serial#'s
for your customer number, then manually reenter them, one at a time,
to get a software profile for that system.  I bugged them about
getting access to the info on IBMlink, but who knows when that might
happen.

Bob
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:59:28 EST
From:         Tom Merrick <MERRICK@OHSTVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: How do you manage per-copy orders?
              10 Sep 1992 09:19:26 CDT from <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:19:26 CDT Richard A. Schafer said:
>On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:45:27 EST Tom Merrick said:
>>With these HESC contracts, you get one copy of the media, manuals, etc.
>>So it is up to the university coordinator to copy/loan out the media, and
>>each system to purchase their own manuals via SLSS entries.
>
>Tom, *you* may get only a single copy.  I get as many copies as licenses.
>Yes, I know that's not the way the HESC agreement reads, but it's
>reality, and Fred knows about it.  For the RS/6000, where many times the
>software comes packaged with the machine, you essentially are forced into
>that kind of situation.  etc...
>
>Richard

I was specifically talking about the VM platforms.  Our AIX platform has
been real smooth.  Everybody gets their own software shipped directly
to them.  If you, like me, have a large number of Risc boxes at one site
then you can DSLO the software on the others and its does not ship extra
copies.

Tom
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:30:42 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How do you manage per-copy orders?
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              <IBM-HESC%PSUORVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>

Rich, you're not alone in wanting to find a solution to this nightmare.
And nightmare it *truly* is.

Richard
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:19:26 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How do you manage per-copy orders?
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On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:45:27 EST Tom Merrick said:
>With these HESC contracts, you get one copy of the media, manuals, etc.
>So it is up to the university coordinator to copy/loan out the media, and
>each system to purchase their own manuals via SLSS entries.

Tom, *you* may get only a single copy.  I get as many copies as licenses.
Yes, I know that's not the way the HESC agreement reads, but it's
reality, and Fred knows about it.  For the RS/6000, where many times the
software comes packaged with the machine, you essentially are forced into
that kind of situation.  And once the software is initially ordered, then
you start getting updates.  A few years ago, just before the RS/6000s were
announced, IBM gave us 26 RTs on a grant for an educational engineering
network we were building.  (Lucky us, RTs :-)  By the time the 26 copies
of AIX, Fortran, Pascal, and (God help us) CADAM, CAEDS, and CATIA all
showed up, I had an entire *room* full of manuals, diskettes, etc., packed
almost literally into a 10x10x10 cube, 26 copies of everything.  IBM told
us they *couldn't* ship it any other way, even though we tried.

And from then on, I would occasionally receive a box from IBM with
26 copies of this letter or that, as various pieces of the RTs went off
marketing.

The RS/6000s haven't been quite as bad, only because

   a) we don't have quite as many of them
   b) we don't have CADAM, etc., on them, which dramatically cuts down
      the numbers of manuals.
   c) they usually come preloaded with at least AIX

We've worked with our branch office, and I think Fred has even talked to them
about it, and everyone has come to the conclusion that we simply can't avoid
getting the multiple copies of software on these machines.

>The way we set it up was I would receive the material, check it out, and
>notify each party that requested that software was in and they could pick
>it up (very few sites actually do).  The notification is done automatically
>via E-mail, using the product number to search out who was actually
>supposed to receive it.

Yep, that's what we're planning on doing, too, as soon as we can sort out
who really has a license for what.  I have right now more copies of updates
to some software than I can account for licenses, so I'm pretty sure my
records are incomplete.  But some sort of help from IBM here would
definitely make our job (and their's, I think) easier.

Richard
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:45:27 EST
From:         Tom Merrick <MERRICK@OHSTVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: How do you manage per-copy orders?

With these HESC contracts, you get one copy of the media, manuals, etc.
So it is up to the university coordinator to copy/loan out the media, and
each system to purchase their own manuals via SLSS entries.

The way we set it up was I would receive the material, check it out, and
notify each party that requested that software was in and they could pick
it up (very few sites actually do).  The notification is done automatically
via E-mail, using the product number to search out who was actually
supposed to receive it.

Originally this was simply a lookup as a namelist alias using the
product number.  This retrieved the list of computer sites registered
for the software, and each of these was in turn an alias list of
people responsible for each site who wanted to be notified when a
new shipment came in.  I re-wrote this a few years ago using SQL as
the database.

If you are interested in what I did, I can give you some of the material.
I do not want to put very much time in as I will be turning off the VM
system that I used to administer it in a few weeks (converting to Risc/6000s).

Tom Merrick
Ohio State University
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Subject: Re: site for uudecode, tar, z, etc. utilities
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:52:57 GMT

In article <01GOPHE4XYRC94I6GG@CSMCMVAX.BITNET> CRUZT@CSMCMVAX.BITNET (Tito Cruz, X5205, ISS/EUCS) writes:
>Is there a site where I can get uudecode, etc. utilities via anonymous ftp?
>
>CRUZT@CSMCMVAX.BITNET

For what OS??  Unix? Dos?  

For most OS's, you get get it from ftp.uu.net:/usenet/comp.sources.unix|misc

For DOS, you get get it from wuarhive.wustl.edu:/mirrors/garbo.uwasa.fi/unix

Marc

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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:31:00 GMT
From:         Mohammad Shams <SHAMS@AUC.EG>
Subject:      Re: site for uudecode, tar, z, etc. utilities

If you are a first time user, it maybe easier for you to retrieve the BASIC
source code for UU/encode/decode.... You will get it as text... and then use
any standard version of basic to run it, like GWBASIC, or quick basic, I did
that myself when I first tried to get files from public sites.

use any trickle server like   TRICKLE@FRMOP11  or  TRICKLE@AWIWUW11
send a message   including   HELP  only and read the file for usage..
check the directory  <MSDOS.STARTER>  it has all what you need to start.
the file  <MSDOS.FILEDOCS>SIMLIST.ZIP  has a listing of all the pub. dom.
stuff available from SIMTEL@) and mirror sites and others like trickle servers..
If you still have a problem contact me and I will get the BASIC source code
for you..

Mohammad Shams,  SHAMS@EGAUCACS   SHAMS@AUC.EG
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 09:10:31 EDT
From:         Jim Morris <C0155@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Xmodem to a Mac

On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:55:55 -0400 <JDBER@CONNCOLL> said:
Daniel please read this message and tell Lanqing Miao about it.


>Can someone tell me of a location to find an xmodem program for Ultrix that
>will send to a mac computer. I am trying to download Kermit and currently
>have only the options
>        Download Protocol:
>                MacBinary
>                Xmodem Text
>                Xmodem Data
>on the mac.
>Thanks for the help in advance..
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:06:55 +1000
From:         Vicki.Wilder@CC.UTAS.EDU.AU
Subject:      lab spooling
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Any ideas?

We have several (predominantly mac) labs with a copytex card system for the
laserprinters.

Problems occur when a student sends a document to the printer, then doesn't
collect it...  Another student then sends their printout, pops their card
in and ends up paying for the previous students work.

The students can't seem to get the gist of Printmonitor.  We would probably
be looking for a setup where the printjobs are intercepted before they get
to the printer, then selected manually by the student.  I have heard of an
appleshare print server set up with a dedicated mac, however it doesn't
seem to be the perfect solution.

Any ideas?  Any at all?  I have heard of a product called Blue Parrot - but
that is all I've heard!
I'm hoping someone has managed to get around this problem.

Thanks heaps...

P.s. Some of our students have figured out how to bypass the copytex
system, thereby not paying for printout.  Has anyone experienced this?
Know how to stop it?
-VickiW-
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:05:51 MEZ
From:         "Sascha P. Ginter" <VESTUD07@DKNKURZ1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: lab spooling
              9 Sep 92 09:06:55 +1000 from <Vicki.Wilder@CC.UTAS.EDU.AU>

Vicki,

we also use a copycard system for our laserprinter, but with PC's.

The copycard-box is joint to the paperoutsensor of our QMS 400 laser-
printers - if there is no card plugged in, the printer is in the same
status as if there would be no paper.   As this way of controling the
printout is only based on the  printer  hardware  it is impossible to
bypass the system.

The spooler problems  you  talked about are quite simmilar in our DOS
based system and there seems to be no practicable solution.


-Sascha-
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:15:15 CST
From:         Clint Rockabar <ROCKACLI@MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA>
Subject:      Stats Packages

Greetings, ADVISErs,

I am looking for a statistics software package for an IBM-clone PC...Does
anyone know if there are any available through ftp?

Thanks in advance,

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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:14:54 EDT
From:         Rob Whelan <RWHELAN@ETSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: site for uudecode, tar, z, etc. utilities

uudecode is available from simtel as pd:<msdos.filutl>QUX01_91.ZIP.
If you can't get to that, you can try mirror sites.
141.210.10.117
128.252.135.4
137.39.1.9
128.214.6.100
146.169.3.7
139.130.4.6
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:57:00 PDT
From:         "Tito Cruz, X5205, ISS/EUCS" <CRUZT@CSMCMVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      site for uudecode, tar, z, etc. utilities

Is there a site where I can get uudecode, etc. utilities via anonymous ftp?

CRUZT@CSMCMVAX.BITNET
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