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From: cs921037@ariel.yorku.ca (RON E BARNETT)
Subject: Re: Main Event changes
Originator: cs921037@m01.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:20:27 GMT


In article <17502@mindlink.bc.ca>, Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper) writes:
>> 
>> The only thing on the Main Event that was different from the tapings was a
>> small segment dubbed in at the end of the show.
>> 
>> It was Perfect and McMahon standing at the announcers stand, and what I heard
>> (the bar was very loud!) was, "One of them (referring to Warrior and Savage)
>> will be walking to the ring alone" and then he said something about a
>> surprise partner.
>> 
>> Did anyone hear EXACTLY what he said?  I missed most of it.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>>  steve_hooper@mindlink.bc.ca   []  The Great White North in
>>  OR      a777@mindlink.bc.ca   []   Vancouver, BC, CANADA
>> 




What he said was that one of them would have a new partner for SS, which could either be Hogan making his return to tag with Savage or Mr. not so perfect, Hennig, making his return after a long injury.  Heenan of course did not say which of these scenarios would be played out!


Ron ("Hola, me chicos", Razor (all the time))
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From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Re: Catch 22 : Re-Defined
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:15:50 GMT

mgrimes@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Grimes) writes:

>  I had some valid observations. Flame me if necessary, but don't misquote or 
>twist my words, please.

I wouldn't bother those who enjoy the silliness of the WWF and WCW as long as
they're not saying those are the best "wrestling" promotions in the whole
world today. It's just not my biz what others enjoy. I still think your
original note was nothing but offensive. If you don't like what they post here,
why don't you ignore them and start a discussion that you like instead of
attacking others.  That's what I usually do. Well, I have nothing to say if you
say that most of my posts are stupid as well.

You know, many people here know that the end of the US wrestling might be
coming soon.  You are just one of many who are frustrated(or have already given
up).

-- 
Hisaharu Tanabe                 E-Mail : hit@sol.acs.unt.edu
University of North Texas                htanabe@world.std.com (if in Japanese)
Denton,Texas
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From: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Subject: Henning to team with Savage ??
Reply-To: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:17:47 GMT

Ok guys ...

What is going on ??? All you wrestling experts on r.s.p-w
write that Henning accepted an insurance settlement and can
no longer wrestle ... then last night (Monday 11/17/92) on
the USA network Randy Savage is told to find a new tag-team partner
for the Survivor Series and he asks Curt Henning !!

First, What happened to the Warrior that he cannot wrestle ?

Second, What is the 'real' story with Curt Henning ?

Third, Will Henning become a 'good guy' now ?

Lastly, Now that Savage and Henning are teamed-up, what will they call
themselves ?? obviously the "Ultimate Maniacs" does not fit them

chris

-- 

		Mephistopheles ... ruthless, sleepless, unsmiling,
                concentration on self or humorous, civilised, sensible
                and adaptable
From: rtcst3+@pitt.edu (Robert   T Conticello)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Clash Review: The Worst Clash in TBS History
Keywords: Horrible, Horrendous, Embarrassing, etc.
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:03:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <hit.722152375@sol> hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe) writes:
>v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:
>
>>   Just finished watching the Clash on TBS, and I am totally disgusted
>>with WCW.  This was the worst CoC ever, and though I still don't want to
>>see interest in WCW drop off to nothing, if it did it would be nobody's
>>fault but their own.  There is no doubt that at least two of the matches
>>were intentionally booked to be lousy, which I'll get to in a second.
>
>I would say the worst one still has to be the Trash XIII from Jacksonville
>on 11/20/90. Of course, tonight's wasn't good either.

   I agree but I would also say any Clash from Clash XII to Clash XV was
 worse than this last Clash.  Here are some non-memorable moments:
     Clash XII: Debut of the MasterBlasters (remember Iron?)
                Sting vs. Black Scorpion
                Steiners vs. Maximum Overdrive
     Clash XIV: Dusty Rhodes color commentary throughout. 'Nuff said.
                (Also, remember Gary Capetta announcing Terry Taylor as
                 the Computerized Man of the 1990's before he actually
                 turned and joined Alexandra York)
     Clash XV: PN News raps with Salt-n-Pepa
               Oz wrestles
               Sting vs. Nikita Koloff
               Black Blood, Big Josh & other horrible ideas
               Lex Luger v. Great Muta < 5 minutes long
               Flair v. Eaton - 3 falls for World Title in only 15 minutes!

-Rob
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: WWF Complete Roster (Was Re: News Flash)
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:19:39 GMT

In <BxsM2x.9KD@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:

>Limbo
>-----
>Terry Taylor (unpushed, no syndie appearance), Bam Bam Bigelow (has yet to
>wrestle), Jim Duggan (announcing, not wrestling), Sgt. Slaughter (working as
>bogus official, not wrestling), Doink the Clown (yet to work a match), 
>Berzerker (likely brought back for one-shot job vs. Bret Hart, not permanent)

Duggan is back in action on the next Ottawa card, he's taking
Warrior's match.

Add Jim Garvin to the limbo list, if one is to believe the rumors that
he's taping those promo pieces for the syndies. My guess is if they're
true, he'll debut within two or three weeks.


Michael
From: thack@antares.tymnet.com (Tom Hackwood)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Hogan at SS??
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:46:33 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1e4f7gINNblm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa519@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scotty Meredith) writes:
>
>
>Look for Hogan to tag with Warior at SS.  At the end of SNME, Heanon was on
>the phone, saying he had late breaking news.  He said Savage and UW wont be
>comming to the ring together.  One of them will have a new partner.  Gee, I
>wonder who that could be??  Lugar?  Nope.  Who else??
>
Can't and won't be done.  Warrior has been either fired or suspended for 
asking for too much money.  Best bet is that Mr. Perfect will be the new
partner.  I heard from a friend that reads Prodigy that his insurance
stipulation wasn't for life, but for 2 years.

Tom Hackwood
>-- 
>Yes, it is true, I -AM- a scanner listener.  You are violating my air
>space, while you are puffing away on your cigarette, talking on your
>cellular phone.  First you complain about smokers rights, then you complain
>when I listen to your phone conversations??!! THis is my air too bub!!  -ME


This is not the opinion of             "I may be synthetic,
BT North America, nor is               but I'm not stupid!"
this personal opinion                  - by Bishop from the
endorsed by BT North America.          movie "Aliens"
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From: b706zbh@utarlg.uta.edu (VICCI VARNER)
Subject: Re: [WWF] Survivor Series
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:40:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.083010.1@bcvms.bc.edu>, joes@bcvms.bc.edu writes...
>In article <9211191945.AA09511@pserv.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM>, Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com> writes:
>> 
>> Victor Wong writes:
>> 
>>> Incidentally, the Hart/Michaels matchup at Survivor Series would mean
>>> a VERY strong hint about the main event at Royal Rumble.  Assuming
>>> Michaels has put his title up for grabs, the IC strap will be vacant
>>> afterwards, which means the IC belt could be the prize at RR.
>> 
>> Not necessarily.  If both belts are on the line, it may go to a
>> time limit draw or a DDQ.  I'd assume in either of these cases that 
>> both men would retain their original titles.  Might be interesting
>> if there were a "loophole" in the contracts they signed that had
>> some clause about titles changing hands on a DDQ or TLD, and each
>> man would get the OTHER guy's title!  :-)
>> 
>> 		--Otto "Hack Hogan" Heuer
>> 
> 
>Well, if you remember, when Hogan and the Steroid Warrior went up with both 
>as title holders, that the IC belt was declared open! If ToyBoat was to win
>over Hart, I assume the same would be true?!
> 
>On another note:
>As to speculation about Hogan, and McMoney......it's totally up to Hogan as to
>a return. As I recall, the last time Hogan's contract ran out, he was given a
>cut of the action by McMoney. At the time, he and his wife owned the now defunct
>Cape Cod Coliseum, and a semi-pro hockey team there. About the time he sold
>the joint, Hogan's contract was up. In the ensuing settlement, the WWF, Titan
>Sports, etc. were split by McMoney, his wife, and Hogan getting a substantial
>piece of the action. So, I guess in that respect, Hogan is his own boss in the
>matter of returning to the ring. BTW, a friend of mine spotted a recent show
>which seemed to be a small-time talk show, and he said Hogan was on, looking 
>to be about the same size!
> 
>                             Joe
> "If you wanna be the man, ya gotta beat the man, and walk that aisle! Woo!"

By the way, Hulk Hogan is wrestling in Japan!!!
           Darin
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From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: More new names!!!!
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:05:28 EST

In article <1992Nov23.120016.4150@wkuvx1.bitnet>
hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
 
>Martel, Rick           Model                   RichardVignault     34/19 >                        Strike Force
>
>Is this for real, Has he been wrestling since he was 15?
 
According to Dave Meltzer's "Who's Who in Pro Wrestling," Martel
started wrestling in 1972 at the age of 16.  Since he followed
two older brothers into the business, I guess that isn't so hard
to believe.
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
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From: hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Re: Clash Review: The Worst Clash in TBS History
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:22:12 GMT

In article <Bxy5xt.M97@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:
>
>   Just finished watching the Clash on TBS, and I am totally disgusted
>with WCW.  This was the worst CoC ever,

  I would strongly disagree with this.  This Clash does not rank down
  there with Clash XIII (Sid vs. Nightstalker) for example.  I'm sure
  you'll get called on this by others, too.  

>There is no doubt that at least two of the matches
>were intentionally booked to be lousy, which I'll get to in a second.

  Maybe it didn't live up to your expectations because Pillman vs.
  Armstrong was killed by an angle.  But this Clash still had a great  
  final hour of wrestling (angles and all), debuted a really good young
  wrestler and worker in Too Cold Scorpio (who is nowhere near as
  green as practically half the WCW talent roster, it would seem - he
  just slipped when going for that moonsault), and marked the apparent
  return of Paul Orndorff to WCW.

  All the stupid stuff was kept very short - I was ecstatic when they
  said that Paul E. vs. Madusa had a 5:00 time limit.  The average
  Clash minus the commercials runs about 1:50.  That means that more thana
  half this show (Sting vs. Rude, the tag title match, and the Scorpio  
  match) was pretty good.  Compared to recent offerings from WCW and
  the WWF that's a great ratio, enough to make this a pretty good
  show.  

  Watching a lot of Japanese wrestling gets you used to seeing t
  wrestlers just get in the ring and wrestle, with one guy doing a 
  clean job after a pretty good match.  I agree that it's too bad
  that WCW and the WWF can't book their promotions that way.  Angles
  have to happen in matches to build heat for the re-matches or for
  the PPVs.  Excellent wrestlers will still draw heat just by working
  (as Scorpio did at the Clash), but most matches in North America
  need that angle to draw or to build the characters.  At least
  these angles (Pillman using the crutch, Barry turning because
  Dustin ain't a "real man") weren't stupid (like Papa Shango, the
  Undertaker, or Jake Roberts biting himself) or insulting.  

  It's unfortunate that matches like Brian Pillman vs. Jushin Riger
  are rare gems in the world of North American wrestling and standard
  fare in Japan.  If talk of tagging up Brian Pillman & Chris Benoit
  turns out to be true, we could be in for another gem in the future
  (vs. two-of{Brad Armstrong, Jushin Riger, Scorpio}, say).  

                                                            Herb... 
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From: schmata@camelot.bradley.edu (Peter Stein)
Subject: Re: Questions...
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:35:57 GMT

In <978cuB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Power to the Penis) writes:
>        >How much does Hogan weigh now? 
>        

>He's down to 98 pounds, due to masturbating himself down to nothing        
>but skin and bones during the last 12 months.  He's built up ten
>tremendous callouses on his hands, and they're now registered as
>lethal weapons.  His callouses are so muscular, they can dance
>just like his titties used to do, which in turn turned on every
>homo in the Western hemisphere.

>        >He is scrawny or what?

>Yes.  He's so scrawny, when he stands sideways and sticks out his
>tongue, he looks like a zipper.  Har!  Oh yeah, I forgot that this
>newsgroup has the sense of humor of a dentist's drill.

>        >Does anyone know anything about the rumor that there are two 
>        >Ultimate Warriors? 

>The original UW, Jim Hellwig, died of AIDS in 1988.  The new UW is        
>leaving the WWF because his HIV+ is affecting his personality.  The
>AZT makes him delirious at times, so he had to leave.

>        >This may sound strange, but one is supposed to bigger teeth.

>You're right.  The AZT is calcium-rich, causing the teeth to grow big.
>He's starting to look like Bugs Bunny, so he's taking some time off
>until he finds a new dentist.

>Brutus "The Barber" Fruitcake is coming back, along with Marty Janetty,
>after a successful treatment program at the NAMBLA clinic.  Marty looks  
>fat now, like he's been cornholed by Kamala, which is why he walks so
>bow legged.  That was his pennance for sucking anuses of little boys.

>Who's root is Steve Lombardi slurping these days?  He's one of my
>favorite rootslurpers.

Phil Stromer mellowed out? NO, NO, NO!! =P We know it's you, by the way-
so you can ditch that "Power To The Penis" thing...

tv's wisecracking peter
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From: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk (John Nelson)
Subject: Re: All this SWF crap                   
Cc: Monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:30:00 +0000

Group: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
From: mk009b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu ([Matt Kaufman])
Date: 23/11/92 06:10:02
Subject: Re: All this SWF crap
>In <92327.230914SAP120@psuvm.psu.edu> SAP120@psuvm.psu.edu (Shawn Pearce)
>writes:
>>For that matter, why don't you say anything about the FWF that I see
>running
>>around the net.............
>>I'm not flaming the FWF (neat idea), but I am saying don't flame one
>>non-wrestling post without flaming ALL of them.
>
>I think though that is a general consenus that the FWF is more along the
>lines of Mr. Becker's dream card idea.  The characters of the FWF were
>created by a host of other people not just Jason and Stilt Man therefore it
>is not correst for you to judge the two as being equaled.
>Matt Kaufman

 What consensus? I've no time for the dream cards, FWF or any other fantasy
wrestling. Seems like a monumental waste of talent for the most part. Why
don't these guys write some real fiction instead of recycling old WWF plots?
The amount of work that goes into them must be enormous. If these guys had
cashed in when wrestling was hot they coulda made a fortune from dime novels.
:-)
 My opinions would be totally different if I had a kill file. I'm one of the
many that don't.

*********************************************************************
**It's true, a man can fly. - Virgil.** monster@cix.compulink.co.uk**
*********************************************************************
From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Reminder: Clash of Champi
Date: 22 Nov 92 08:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

(Hisaharu Tanabe) writes...

>dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer)  writes:
> 
>>I am at the end of my rope with WCW.  That Clash was the most pathetic,
>>idiotic, and poorly worked card of wrestling matches that WCW has ever
>>done.  Watts is clueless.  Sound the bell.  WCW is dead.
> 
>WCW is dead. We all will see the final proof on the Starcade's Chono-Muta
>match, I mean if someone's gonna buy the PPV.  Amen.

    It's not dead, beause it can be brought back in the right hands (not Bill
Watts's hands, mind you), but it really does seem that they're daring fans to
stop paying attention.  That Muto/Chono will be awful.  It will be another
case where they will be told to work a bad match purposely so they won't
"show up" the WCW regulars, I presume. Why even bother bringing them over if
they won't let them work?  It's not like any American marks give a rat's ass
about Chono or any other Japanese wrestler.  They don't wrestle here often,
the title means little to American fans, so really why should they care?  If
you aren't going to have them work a good match, why bother?  They could hire
Warlord and Iron Sheik to put on bad matches and save on travel expenses.
    BTW, it's ironic that Watts is actually intentionally lowering his 
product's quality when an American promotion that wrestles at Japanese quality
would, in time, both raise PPV buy rates and increase house attendance, not
to mention blow the WWF off the map and force them to change their own
product accordingly.  More guys like Too Cold Scorpio working at full strength
would sure spice things  up enough to give WCW a boost, but of course Watts
would rather feed us a steady stream of * matches.  Get with the 90's Bill.
Wrestling is changing and you're being left out in the cold.  You don't
believe me?  Take a look at your house show attendance and your TV ratings.
That will drive the point home better than I ever could.

*********************************************
Eric Chmiel**********************************
*********************************************
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From: hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Donald L.C. Blewett)
Subject: What the hell happened to the WWF?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:58:32 GMT


  Is McMuffin-Head out of his mind?  Firing two of the most popular wrestlers
he has has got to be the stupidest thing he could do.  And what timing, a
week and a half before Survivor Series.  I have spend the last six years
of my life "defending" pro wrestling as a legitimate entertainment form.
Boy, was I blind.  So Warrior wanted more money, well, give it to him, wait 
until after SS and then fire him.  If I had spent $200 (or so) on SS and then
they changed the card on me, I'd fucking go ballistic (sp?). Pardon my french,
but this really makes me mad.  
  As for the Mr. Perfect turn, what a screw up that was.  I mean, how many
marks do you actually think fell for it.  Even if this is a "legitimate" turn,
people will be left wondering, "Why did he do it, really?".  Perfect never
expressed any unhappiness with Flair and Ramon, unitl Savage asked him to be
his partner.  Oh well, my opinion is that it is a real turn, he will wrestle,
but thanks to his nagging injury, and the fact that he hasn't wrestled since
SummerSlam 91, I think Ramon and Flair will start pounding on both of them,
forcing someone, (maybe Hogan or Backland(sp?)) to make the save.
  Speaking of Backland, McMuffin-Head must really be getting desperate to try 
to promote this guy as the new "hero" of the WWF.  He's been gone for so long,
no one even remembers him any more.
  I did think, however, that the Nasty Boys turn was handled very well, with
the tension between the two teams building for several weeks now.  I also 
thought the Jannety return went great, although I wish he had nailed Michaels
instead of Sherri with the mirror, to pay him back for the barber shop window.
  He couldn't have returned at a better time, with Michaels now 
Intercontinental Champion.  Assuming he doesn't beat Bret Hart this week, it
sets up a great series of matches between the two former partners for the
belt.  IF (big IF) Michaels does beat Hart, I think the IC belt will be the
prize at Royal Rumble.  

Remember, this is my own opinion, if you don't like it, don't read it.

Donald L.C. Blewett

Ooh master, you're so EVIL!!!!!

hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
From: kehler@calliope.uucp (Andy Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Reminder: Clash of Champions
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:19:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Nov22.221903.3008
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <4359.137.uupcb@ssr.com> dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer)  writes:
>Rob,
>I am at the end of my rope with WCW.  That Clash was the most pathetic,
>idiotic, and poorly worked card of wrestling matches that WCW has ever
>done.  Watts is clueless.  Sound the bell.  WCW is dead.

Very well put, Dave.  I didn't even watch the Clash.  The Erik Watts
nepotism thing broke the camel's back for me -- it's enough to ruin a
whole program.  I am also bored by the idea of newcomers getting a
title shot and winning within months of showing up.  What happened to
long-running feuds, with a few twists thrown in?  What happened to
heat?  To run-ins?  Think about 4-5 years ago (roughly): Flair vs.
whomever (J. Garvin/Precious/R. Garvin; Lugar; Sting; Funk; Steamboat;
to name the more recent ones), Midnight Express vs. Rock 'n Roll
express, Midnight Express vs. Horsemen, and Road Warriors vs. Powers
of Pain, etc.  Now look what you have.  WCW is at rock bottom, and
probably won't recover.

I'm almost ready to go back to watching the WWF, given the Mr. Perfect
angle.  We'll see if he turns on Savage -- it has the smell of the
Cornette/Midnight Express/Dynamic Dudes angle a few years back.  It
could be the most interesting angle in the WWF in a long time. 

We'll see.

  -- Andy K.
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