From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Nell Carter's Pool Boy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Collins (Was: Joey Beard - Duke Bound)
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:20:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw75DH.MGo
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:

>In article <BvuAn1.AI0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Nell  
>Carter's Pool Boy) writes:
>> I wrote:
>> > Rob wrote:
>> >> In article <BvIt8s.AMI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu
>> > (A Conrad Bain Wanna-Be) writes:
>> >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > At least it's not a Jim Bain Wanna-Be, thank God!
>> 
>> I'll just assume this is a compliment.  I hope. :-)

>Definitely.  See Feinstein, "Forever's Team", or any Big 10+ 
>net.personality for more info.

Rob  Clough  filled me  in on this one.  Thanks.   Having offered   many
a ref my glasses in four years  of high school  hoops,  I can truly
appreciate it. :-)

>> >IHSA refs (in my experience and opinion) were much more likely to call
>> >the foul on a defender when a three point shot was defensed.  In college
>> >ball it seems quite the opposite - refs are not wont to call the foul on
>> >the three due to the big payoff.

>> IHSA Refs called a foul on a three-point shot exactly three times this past
>> year (91-92), and none the year before.

>Is this a stat for your/his team, or the whole state??  I found that 
>defenders seemed very scared to defense the outside shot - maybe this
>is what I observed, and derived the opinon thusly, but I'm sure I saw
>at least 2 of the three if you're saying "3 in IL".

This is  a stat for our team.  In response to  a point made my Rob in a
private reply earlier this week, we were teammates  in high  school, he
(obviously) at point guard,  and myself handling the official stats.  I
don't know how often they've called those fouls  statewide, but I haven't
heard of it too often.

>> It's been brought up to me that a HS point guard isn't neccessarily a college
>> point guard.  Not having seen much of college hoops, I'll reserve judgement
>> on that 'till later

>Chris looked pretty good in the pickup game I saw last Friday on campus.
>Some good moves that looked hard to defense, and a breakaway that made
>Hurley say "fockin" in true Jersey City fashion.

I wish I could  have seen that...  Lemme tell you something about Bobby
Hurley.  The team took its poster photo recently, and  since I don't  know
whether or not it's been released yet, I won't fill in details, but suffice
it  to say this: Hurley wanted to take the picture exactly as they did,
except with middle fingers raised and "F**K 'em all" plastered across
the bottom instead of the slogan that actually (will) appear.  Yes,  this
is reliable.  It comes from Chris through Coach C.

>> >Rob>If that's true, then why did Duke get Jeff Capel, and pursue Randy
>> >Rob>Livingston so hard? I hope that Collins does work out, and that K takes
>> >Rob>some of the wildness out of him, as Chuck mentioned.  Tommy Amaker could
>> >Rob>really teach him a thing or two on the virtues of unselfishness.
>> 
>> >Agreed, Rob.  We'll see if he can learn, at Duke or elsewhere.  I'm sure
>> >that CC had a TV the last two years - we'll see if he used it, and realizes
>> >the situation he is coming into.  
>> 
>> This is dangerous ground, and to keep the flames out of my mailbox, I'm
>> keeping my mouth shut on this one.  I'd probably blow the 100K limit if I
>> didn't...

>Basically, my opinion in responding to Rob is based on his performance in
>the McDonalds AA game where he was a black hole (though in his defense he
>is a great shooter - but look up Duke's record in games were one player
>has scored 30+ in the Coach K era - probably not even above .500).

>It's not intended to be a personal attack on CC either.

>> Chris has traditionally been something of a clutch shooter, but he knows that
>> there are times when it isn't his place to do it.  I doubt we'd have gone as
>> far as we did this spring if he didn't understand that.  The "big" shots at
>> the end of the season came from others.  Not Chris.

>This sounds good.  I'm still a little worried after the Gminski fiasco
>(Jason - send me mail if you haven't heard about this and I'll fill you
>in).  My opinion probably shouldn't be based so much on an all star game
>either.  He certainly held his own against Hurley in the pickup game, and
>looked to be in fine shape.

>Sorry this reply took so long - our news server went batty - while
>I was away 

Rob reminded me of the  "gunner" reputation that Chris has, so let me just
throw my $0.02 in on that-- Yes,  it's true, he does tend to shoot a bit.
664 times his senior year alone.  But,  he was responsible for carrying
the scoring load for the team.  We might have had one other person scoring
over 10 a game,  if I remember correctly, but that's  about it.  He did
learn to dish off the ball this past year,  since going to him for the big
shot, a highly predictable move, wasn't so neccessary once  our other shooters
came into their own.  With Duke, he won't have to carry such a load, once he's
a regular starter (and  I don't see this happening this year.  For his sake, I
_hope_ it doesn't--more time to grow.)   No personal attacks were taken.

If  I can clear anything else up statwise, holler, I'm here!  :-)

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Jason A. Lindquist		      University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaignlinky@uiuc.edu          "Come on, Dutch.  You blow away a broad's date, the
			 least you can do is drive her home."                                                                            --James Woods, _Cop_
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