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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: st:tng and st:dsn in madi
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 26 Dec 92 22:05:41 EST

 TO: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)

 -=> Vidiot babbled to All and look what he said! <=-

 Vi> This is being posted to "wi", but it may leak out.

I recieved that message on Christmas day here in Toronto Ontario,
Canada.  Sorry, it leaked out!  :-)
 

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From: agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner)
Subject: DID ANYONE PICK THIS UP -CoC II- Poss. Sp.
Organization: The Great Beyond
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:33:35 GMT



^L



^L
Did any one else notice that when Picard's _torturer_
was speaking to Picard about some ruins on some
Cardassian planet, the Cardassian said the some of
the artifacts had been _unearthed_. I just find it
                          ^^^^^    
kind of odd that the Cardassian would refer to the
excavation of some other planet as unearthing, since
that word is linked to our planet EARTH.

Just a little observation.

Arthur
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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "Chain of Command Part II" SPOILERS!
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:19:50 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <rawdon.725487214@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
> In <1992Dec26.200351.520@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>>SPOILERS ahead for "Chain of Command Part II"
 
> Well, aside from the fact that you are MUCH harsher than I am in your opinion
> of it, we seem to see a lot of the same flaws in the episode.  We do have one
> significant difference, though:
> 
>>Is this "Star Trek: The Next Generation?"  Is this a science fiction series?
>>In the case of "Chain of Command," the answer is no, this wasn't science
>>fiction.  
> 
> Yeah, but so what?  Science fiction is just a backdrop, not (except in a few
> stories, very few of which are any good at all) the raison d'etre for the
> show.  If a show must take its backdrop and make it an integral part of the
> story in order to be successful, then I give "Romeo And Juliet" and
> _Moby_Dick_, both grades of F.


Torture is such a rich subject for a writer to sink her/his//his/her teeth into 
ESPECIALLY when one is writing for a science fiction series and therefore
free to create a lot of new and dangerous methods tied to science fiction, 
that I just feel this to be an opportunity wasted far, far too well, like
the Packer loss today after L.A. handed them the playoffs on a plate.

I wanted so much more from this episode than what I got.  I wanted some
really juicy science fiction twists to the torture, and we got twentieth
century techniques instead.

Steven.K.Manfred



> 
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> ( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )
> 
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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: saturday night review - "
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:46:32 -0600
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1992Dec22.3208.17880@dosgate>, "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com> writes:
>  Subject: Saturday Night Review - "Chain of Command Part I" SPOILERS!
>  -=> Ph9991 Manfr babbled to All and look what he said! <=-
 
>  PM> SPOILERS AHEAD FOR "CHAIN OF COMMAND" PART ONE
> 
 
> 
>  PM> Obviously, Jellicoe and the Admiral are in league with the Cardassians
>  PM> and plotted to get Picard captured.  The big road signs (too big) of
>  PM> this are how they keep saying "our friends" in their sub-space
>  PM> communication, how Jellicoe is turning the ship upside-down in order to
>  PM> lessen her effectiveness in the battle they have coming, and how Troi
>  PM> says he is unsure of himself: it isn't his little "diplomacy" ploy,
>  PM> it's the fact that he's on the other side.
> 
> My god, I feel so stupid!  I had NEVER thought about that!  I just
> assumed "our friends" meant Picard, Beverly and Worf...  I got this idea
> because I remember hearing Picard and Jellicoe talking about radio
> silence.  Jellicoe insists he keeps some sort of beeper just in case...
> Now I wasn't sure if it was to track him or if it were to communicate
> with the E but I'm sure it was one or the other -- I'll have to rewatch
> the episode a 5th time.  (evil grin)
> 
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Jason Wong
> Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
> INTERNET E-MAIL: bernie.wong@canrem.com
> 
> 

Actually, the more I think about all this, the more I think that Jellicoe
perhaps isn't in on it, and is merely too stupid to realize that the
Admiral is.  You're added bit about the radio silence was something I
hadn't considered, and perhaps leans me back the other way again since
it is the Admiral who brought this up and she shouldn't know anything
about Picard being able to break the silence or Jellicoe listening if
he does.

Steven.K.Manfred

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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: st:dsn "emissary" program
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 02:30:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.3208.18608@dosgate> "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com> writes:
> -=> Dean Adams babbled to All and look what he said! <=-
>
> DA> Break #1   +17 min   3:45  (national)
> DA> Break #2   +35 min         (local)
> DA> Break #3   +44 min   3:35  (national)
> DA> Break #4   +56 min         end of part-1
>
>Ugh! What's this supposed to mean?  I always record my TNG episodes with
>a stopwatch because I know all commercial breaks are EXACTLY 2:00 long.
>I only have a week so if you want, send e-mail but what are those 3:45
>and 3:35???  HELP!
>

FYI... the posting was about the DSN pilot "movie" episode, *not* TNG.
The break format obviously is quite different.  The local breaks will
likely be filled with 2-4 minutes of local spots.  TNG is nice enough
to feature 2 min. breaks, with local slots thankfully left clear on
the satellite feed.  It remains to be seen what the formatting will
be like for regular DSN episodes, but I would not be surprised to
see something very similar to the TNG lineup...

DSN also features bumpers prior to commercial breaks BTW, but they are
much less annoying than on TNG.  These feature *alternating* views of
the station, with a nicely muted theme in the background.

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From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Le Pont d'Avignon (was: Picards french lines)
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1992Dec28.215903.28391@cs.tulane.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:16:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.215903.28391@cs.tulane.edu> maraist@cs.tulane.edu (John Maraist) writes:

   Sur le pont d'Avignon       On the bridge at Avignon
   On y danse, on y danse      There we dance, there we dance
   Sur le pont d'Avignon       On the bridge at Avignon
   On y danse tous en rond     There we all dence around.

   As our French teacher taught us, the kids (or high-schoolers, in our
   case :-) singing this would dance around in a circle during the chorus
   (that above) and stop for the verses, all of which are something
   like "Les belles Madames font comme ca, et puis encore comme ca"
   (The pretty ladies go like this, and then again like this)
   while performing some type of motion, curtseying in this case.

The bridge at Avignon no longer goes all the way across the Rhone
river, but for 5 francs, you can go onto to it and dance if you want.

I just skipped a bit.

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From: chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim)
Subject: Re: Multiple ST Roles
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:37:02 GMT

tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:

>	Yep..it was David Warner...I caught his name at the beginning of the
>credits.  Gul Madrel was his character...not bad for him..first he played
>a human, then a Klingon, now a Cardassian..what's next?  Romulan?  Ferengi? 

This role ties David Warner with Mark Lenard for number of different
species (3) played in a ST episode or movie. (Correct me if I'm wrong here--
I think three is the record. There have been *many* actors who have played
*two* different species, though, among them Denise Crosby, Michelle Forbes,
Suzie Plakson, Majel Barrett, Paul Winfield, Jerry Hardin, Mart McChesney,
Marc Alaimo, and more.) 

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From: ez033589@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lwaxana - Who plays her?
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:18:29 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <1992Dec21.150840.22240@ucs.att.com> rkh@ucs.att.com (Bob Halloran) writes:

>It is a well-known piece of Trek trivia that Majel Barrett Roddenbury
>is the one performer who has appeared in ALL of the Trek venues:
>
>TOS: Nurse Chapel, computer voice
>TAS: Nurse Chapel, computer voice, M'ress
>Films: Observation deck cameo in ST2:TWOK, computer voice in others
>TNG: Computer voice, recurring role as Lwaxana Troi

While I am not au fait with the animated series, surely at least one of 
Leonard Nimoy, DeForest Kelley or James Doohan appeared, which would make
Majel Barret not the only one with the clean sweep.

What is this thread doing in ...current anyway?

JJ
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From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Subject: Re: RIKER: What a Class A Jerk
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:08:51 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Rick Eames (athos@apple.com) wrote:
: I could not believe what I was seeing the writers do to poor Riker.  He was
: nothing short of an insubordinate jerk in this episode.  Consider these
: points:
: 
: * Riker asks to form some kind of rescue mission.  Jellico says he
: understands how Riker feels, but says "No."  Riker is not pleased. 
: Rememeber back to CAPTAIN Riker answering "No" to the same request when Bev
: wanted to get Locutus of Borg (Picard) from the Borg ship. 

Jellico could have granted Riker permission to plan a rescue mission, and made a legitimate command decision not to authorize it. The way he handled it reeked
of marginal leadership, IMO.
: 
: * Jellico cannot admit that Picard was acting under the guise of the
: Federation (that would be an act of war).  Covert operations are usually
: run this way.  Riker cannot accept this answer and pushes for Jellico to
: admit that the Federation DID condone it.  Where Riker's brain was is a big
: question here.  His military judgement is highly suspect.  This is the same
: Riker who was willing to destroy the Borg ship and Picard with it in Best
: of Both Worlds ("Mr. Worf...Fire!).  
:

Here, the writers take us all for morons. Picard, captain of the Federation
flagship, is honorably reassigned and 12 hours later is captured with two
other of his officers. All facts indicate that it's a federation mission, and
if the Cardassians want to treat it as an act of war, what rational person
could say, with any conviction, that the feds didn't know about it ?

: I don't know WHAT they were thinking, but the writers were really
: shortchanging Riker here.  
: 
: And, after all of it, Jellico was 100% right about everything he did. 
: Every guess was correct.  How he handled the Cardassians was correct.
: 
: Thoughts?
: 
I liked Jellico, his character, his delivery, the works, but I didn't think
he was a very good captain. He was closed minded and appeared to lead by
virtue of rank only. How long do you think Riker would have waited before
firing on a Borg ship that had taken Jellico captive?

Great episode, but the fed leadership seems really stupid.

cheers,
scott smay
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From: acct069@carroll1.cc.edu (Ron)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9 in Milwaukee
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:59:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: carroll1.3568
Reply-To: acct069@carroll1.cc.edu (Ron)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lightning Systems, Inc.

For those who missed the advertisements.

The 2 hour premiere of Deep Space Nine in Milwaukee will be on Fox-24
(WCGV) Monday Jan 4th, 1993 at 7:00pm.

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From: palmj@vccnw07.its.rpi.edu (Jyri L. Palm)
Subject: Re: DID ANYONE PICK THIS UP -CoC II- Poss. Sp.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:57:35 GMT

afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison) writes:

>>Did any one else notice that when Picard's _torturer_

Wasn't the guy who played the torturer the same guy who played
"Chancellor Gorkon" the Klingon representative who is assassinated
in the beginning-middle of Star Trek 6?

The eyes look the same and the voice seems the same.  What remends me
of the connection is thinking when the chancellor says to Kirk,
"You don't trust me?"  The voice clicks...
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "Chain of Command Part II" SPOILERS!
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:43:39 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> Obvious?  Yes.  Pointless?  No.  There is nothing new under the sun;
> the primary value of a drama is its method of presentation.
> -- 

It wasn't pointless in the context of the drama, but I mean it more like
it was pointless to use such an obvious device (the writers I mean).

This admittedly cruel-hearted review of mine certainly stirred up a lot of
talk, and for that I am glad.  I'm a little sad that I've been as mean as
I have been on this topic.  That's something I've sometimes criticized others
for, and this is really the first time I've been on the negative side while
everyone else is on the positive.  
The irony is I see that as a good thing.  :)  It's quite refreshing to see
everyone defending the series for once.  My initial reactions still stand,
but I'll stop arguing my points in deference to most of you.  I've made my
points adaquately at last.  One thing's for sure, next time I vehementy
criticize an episode, I'd better state things a little more clearly in my
initial review, or wait a day before posting it, letting my thoughts 
crystallize a little more.

Steven.K.Manfred
From: rbeck@mordordseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: 'Batman" meets 'Trek'
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:23:09 GMT
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.

In article <78624@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec17.105458.1392@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
|> 
|> >WHAT?!? Are you joking? No, he [Khan] was a human from the late 20th century...
|> 
|> BTW, it's almost 1993.  How much longer do we have before the war starts?
|> (the one that Khan was in)?
|> 
Well, I guess that future is happening in a parallel time line from
the time line we view as reality.  In Kahn's time line, inflation runs
rampant, people start shooting each other in the streets, world powers
collapse and form new governmental bodies, hunger, starvation and
disease abound and the rich get richer while the poor get poorer.  

In our reality....

Ron
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|> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.edu         |  you to remember the one man who beat you."

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From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Organization: QUAD Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:54:58 GMT

molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin) writes:
:
: Worf does NOT deserve any respect.  Lately the CHief of Security (as
: you call him...) has been getting beat up on every episode.  How many
: times has he been shot recently?  The guy is always on his back when
: he's needed the most!
: 
: Compare his safety record to that of Tasha Yar, and you'll see he needs
: to go back to his mommy for defense lessons.

Every time I see Worf getting beaten up, knocked unconcious, 'falling and he
can't get up' or otherwise rendered useless, I wonder what the hell is 
wrong with the writers! How can anyone turn a alleged security chief and
Klingon warrior (with strength superior to humans) into such a complete
sissy. The Worf character has deteriorated to the point of contempt.
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From: det@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Date: 23 Dec 1992 01:18:19 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbootay.sw.stratus.com

In article <85290020@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
[attribution of secondary poster missing from the post]
>>Begging your pardon, but I believe the ship that blew up in the
>>"Conspiracy" episode was an Ambassador class starship, not Galaxy.
>Wrong, the ship was the E's sister ship - the Yamato.

Bzzzzt.  You're thinking of a different episode, "Contagion".  The Yamato
was Enterprise's sister ship (Galaxy class), but the vessel destroyed in
"Conspiracy" was an Ambassador class vessel (I don't remember the name
for certain - was it the Horatio?).




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From: greywolf@draco.unm.edu (Michael H. Tipping)
Subject: Uniforms and their colors
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 04:37:27 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

   If uniform color is set to a department (as in the old series), then
why did Data use a blue uniform in Chain of Command II?  I always thought
that he wore a yellow one.  Also, why would command move from the gold
in TOS, to standardized maroon (the movies - for all officers at least),
to red (which used to be security "target" colors?  I would have thought
that the movie type would stay in for quite some time (they really looked
good IMHO).  I must say that they are getting better on some things - like
making people wear better clothes for infiltration (Chain of Command is a
case in point.)
   Just to blend this into an earlier ongoing thread, I think that Troy's
character should not be in uniform (though the uniform does fit and 
wouldn't greatly effect her character) - she is a counselor and needs
to make her patients feel at ease.  A uniform might make the patient feel
"under the gun".  One would wear the uniform as a sign of professionalism
and that might inhibit a patients willingness to talk more freely.  (Would
you say "My boss is an ^&$" to another member in uniform and feel secure
that they wouldn't go to that person and blab?)
				Greywolf...
PS - This is not a "But Troy should keep that 'body suit'" post.  I am not
for the "Troy should present a good figure to look at and nothing more"
group (A bunch of sexest bozos who make double standards for how males
and females are to be portrayed.)  So, I expect no flames for this and
no wars to start over that subject.  =)
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From: vnelson@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gerald Vernon Nelson)
Subject: Re: DS9: Avery Brooks has attitude.
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:27:24 GMT

In <C03wp7.69z@quadsys.com> roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:

>kuvamp@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>: This was on the AP Newsnet this morning, thought it might be of interest:
>: 
>: 

Yikes!  I thought that when you went to acting school, you had to declare
what roles you were training for.  You know "I'm training to be an actor on
a Star Trek spin-off, gain a cult following, and appear at conventions!"

You mean these guys just try out for roles and get them? 
Even when they haven't dreamed of appearing on THAT show for years?  

Boy, I'm going to have to rethink my understanding of Hollywood.

Vern Nelson
From: 00cmmiller@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi Smut????
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:40:51 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1992Dec31.123326.13351@bsu-ucs>, 00cmmiller@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
> In article <1992Dec30.030652.6199@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
>> In article <1hqeteINN79b@bigboote.WPI.EDU> norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James) writes:
>>>
>>>A very trustworthy friend of mine SWEARS that
>>>Marina Sirtis (Coun. Troi) made a porn movie...
>>>Can anyone clear this up?
>>>
>> 
>> Yea...  Your friend doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
>> 
>> Either that or they consider R-rated films to be "porn".
>> 
>> Sigh.  WHEN will this idoitic excuse for a "rumor" EVER end?
> 
> 
> well, what was it called????!!!
> 
> 

never mind, i already know.