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From: othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4))
Subject: Re: Developed? Must have unemployment benefits!
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:43:36 GMT

brett mcinnes (matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg) wrote:
: : 
: : 	You would not say this if you are the someone else who got lay off and
: : has a wife and three children to support.
: : 
: : 
: How do you know?: 
Use your common sense.

What do you do if you are laid off, not because you are lazy or stupid, like
the case of the east germans, but because there is just no market for your
skill?

i) should you just let yourself die,
ii) look for any job at any pay that someone will offer
iii0 choose a job that will pay more than your insurance will cover
(another word for unemployment insurance is the unemployment benefit)


Is there any other possible action that can be taken by an unemployed person?

Case ii) is applicable to China, Indonesia and India
Malaysia and Singapore? Family unemployment benefit. Foreign investment
has created more work than the population can handle.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting)
Subject: Re: Help wanted from Singaporeans!
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:45:21 CST

In article <1993Jan4.234027.24823@athena.mit.edu> kin@athena.mit.edu (Kin Lam) writes:
>Dear friends,
>
>     I just graduated from my college and will be leaving the US. I will start
>my work in Singapore in February. Originally, I am from Hong Kong but my family
>have moved to Singapore since I came to the US. After leaving the US, I would 
>still like to keep in touch with my friends here by emails. I wonder if anyone
>of you (those in Singapore) will be willing to share your account with me. (I
>don't think I will get an account in the place I work.) Any help and advice will
>be appreciated! Thanks in advance! Please send emails to "kin@athena.mit.edu".
>Of course, any one who wants to make friends with me is welcome to write to be.
>Will be leaving in early February! See you guys in Singapore!
>
>
	
	A little while ago (2-3 months?), some folks mentioned something
	about the "Community Network" in Singapore, namely COMET (or was
	it COMNET?), which allows public  access. I sent emails to folks
	in Singapore (forgot already to who :) ) but have yet to receive
	any response. Can the folks in Singapore who are knowledgable
	about this (or any other publicly accessible network, if there is
	one) please post a message here? I believe there are a lot of
	netters who are very interested to learn more about this. 

	Thanx.



Cheers
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From: wslee@almond-frost.ai.mit.edu (Whay S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Profile: Othman Bin Ahmad
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:00:23 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: almond-frost.ai.mit.edu


In article <1993Jan8.172209.10950@leland.Stanford.EDU>, 
rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman) writes:

|> In article <1993Jan8.093146.19889@nuscc.nus.sg> engp2063@nusunix1.nus.sg 
|> (NG CHEE MUN SIDNEY) writes:
|> >I was browsing through the Research Directory from NTU when I spotted the
|> >name "Othman Bin Ahmad" on one of the pages. For those of you netters
|> >who loathe/hate him very much, here's a little more about this guy whom we
|> >all love to hate:

	.... [stuff deleted] ...

|> 	Regardless of what was, will, or has been, exchanged between
|> 	everyone else and Othman, Othman has every right to choose
|> 	what to do with his time. Whether he earns an honest income or
|> 	not, or whether he eats, drinks, sleeps or not, is his
|> 	business and that of his superiors. Not yours, ours, or even
|> 	his wife's concern.
|> 
|> 	There is no need to publicly hark about his qualifications or
|> 	other somewhat private info to an audience across the globe.
|> 	It is no more irrelevent to s.c.a than the insults that are 
|> 	included in some of the postings.
|>
|>	.... [ stuff deleted ] ...
|>

	Agreed.   Even tough Othman's views are often very different from the 
mass on s.c.a, he nonetheless _attempts_ to voice and defend his views with reason.   
Undeniably he resorts to name-calling at times, but dare we say that all the rest of 
us don't ?  If you deem his reasoning not valid, then rebutt with your own
reasoning.  No need to behave un-gentlemanly and single him out for penalization.
Or have you run out of reasons too ?

	It is dubious what the original poster intends to achieve with
his message.   Is he trying to provide public service by revealing the
personal data of a fellow netter without prior conscent, or is he trying to provoke
Othman into responding with anger, so that the he could then point
at Othman and say "see see see?   I was right, he is not worthy of this net" ..?
I don't know, but perhaps other netters do ....

	And no, I still do not agree with Othman on many issues, but I believe
he also wants the best for the country, in his own way.


> In article <1993Jan8.093146.19889@nuscc.nus.sg> engp2063@nusunix1.nus.sg 
> (NG CHEE MUN SIDNEY) writes:
	... [ refering to Othman] ...
> Wonder where he had all the time in this world to write all that rubbish
> in the net and still manage with his work?

	Shall we not ask the same question to ourselves ?

	*If* what Othman writes is indeed rubbish, then he will eat his own words 
in time, when other netters supply more concrete rebuttal.  You should already know
about that yourself ...




cheers,
whay.

"I am only a lowly student, so you'll probably not find my profile anywhere .. "
	




	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: 000444t@axe.acadiau.ca (SIANG YING TAN)
Subject: Happy Chinese New Year
Summary: Time: 21:15:08
Keywords: Date: 12 Jan 1993
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:15:59 GMT

Hi!
	I am new to this news group.  I would like to wish everybody out 
there (who are celebrating) a very Happy Chinese New Year.  This is my 
second Chinese New Year away from home.  Can anybody send me some new year 
`goodies'?  (Just Joking!)  Enjoy yourselves!

					=================================
						Jessica Tan
					  Acadia University, Canada
					=================================
From: ssrzakar@csres.cs.reading.ac.uk (M. S. Zakaria)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Income Tax
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:04:09 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

ssrzakar@csres.cs.reading.ac.uk (M. S. Zakaria) writes:

>e.g Taxable income 6000.00

>Tax on first 2500 @2%    =     50.00
>Tax on next 2500 @5%     =    125.00
>Tax on remaining 1000 @ 8 % =  80.00

>Income Tax                    225.00

OOOPS! The total should be RM255.00. My mistake. (Its monday!!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: escmar@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (~{BmOHIz~})
Subject: Re: soc.culture.singapore is up!
Organization: nanyang technological university
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:03:38 GMT

Aik Siong Seow (seow@kraft.ecn.purdue.edu) wrote:
: Hey everyone!
: 	Soc.culture.singapore is up. Join in the fray!


: ** Chris Seow **
: --
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: |  Chris Seow  |  Computer & Electrical Engineering, Purdue University |
: | 317-743-4587 |      105 Columbia St #1, West Lafayette IN 47906      |

  Hey, I don't seem to be able to subscribe soc.culture.singapore at
  NTU. Any pointer/leads as to how I can subscribe?
 
-- 
+-----------------------------+----------------------------------+
Division of Instr. & Control	Internet: escmar@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg 
Nanyang Technological Univ. 	Tel. (off.): (065) 799-5635
Nanyang Avenue S2263
From: othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: VAlue of money
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:52:47 GMT
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Leslie Teo (lteo_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu) wrote:
: 
: Call me naive but I think the chaps at Bank Negara have enough brains to
: realize that they shouldn't be playing with fire. Yes, government might

It depends on how independent Bank Negara is from the politicians.
German central bank is refuted to be the most independent and it is very
determined to maintain the value of the mark. Read fortune magazine again.

Another case is the action of  President Salinas of Mexico.
: print more money (or spend more) increasing inflation, causing a default
: "devaluation" but I doubt that Bank Negara would allow any policy which
: would be so  transparent or significant. Otherwise, some of us will be
: making tons of money on the currency market & in doing so might cause
: Bank Negara & the treasury a lot of heartache. Again, value (wrt to
: other currencies) is
: determined basically by fundamentals. There may be  short term
: fluctuations/manipulations but they can't buck the market. 

What are those fundamentals? It is that you cannot create wealth by printing
more money which will come out of fiscal irresponsibility.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: chong@gideon.Eng.Sun.COM (Tai Chong [TI])
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,sun.chinatown
Subject: SILK Airline
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:19:17 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gideon

I am planning a trip back to Terengganu, Malaysia during the 
Chinese New Year. Due to the flight schedule from San Francisco
to Singapore (United Airline), I cannot make the connecting
flight from S'pore to Kuala Terengganu (MAS). As an alternative, 
my travel agent has booked me the flight from S'pore to Kuantan
on SILK Airline.

Does any of you know anything about this airline? Even my
travel agent has never heard of such airline until recently.

Any input on SILK airline will be greatly appreciated. Please
e-mail to chong@gideon.Eng.Sun.Com

-Tai



Xref: sparky soc.culture.asean:8938 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:1112 soc.culture.croatia:330
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: Developed? Must have unemployment benefits!
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:41:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.082436.8095@nuscc.nus.sg>, matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (brett mcinnes) writes:
|> othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4)) writes:
|> : 
|> : this is one of my controversial ideas again which I have studied for some time
|> : based on the facts that
|> : 
|> : ALL DEVELOPED NATIONS HAVE UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS.
|> : ALL UNDEVELOPED NATIONS HAVE NO UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS.
|> : 
Does Japan have unemployment benefits?  This is a question, not a
challenge, as I honestly do not know.
 
|> ALL RICH PEOPLE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY                                      
|> ALL POOR PEOPLE SPEND LITTLE MONEY                                        
|> THEREFORE, IN ORDER TO BECOME RICH, ONE SHOULD SPEND AS MUCH MONEY AS
|> POSSIBLE:                                                                
Interesting.  I should start changing my lifestyle to become rich :) :).
 
|>  There is one slight difference between CPF and unemployment benefits.
|> Namely, you spend CPF on yourself. In the case of unemployment benefits,
|> the government spends your money on someone else. A mere bagatelle, I
|> know. After all, who cares about money?                                  
|> : 
No it is not trivia.  You hit the nail right on the head.   People
receiving unemployment benefits are reluctant to go back into the
workforce unless the pay is more attractive than the unemployment
benefits.  Why not get fed for not working. Also attractiveness is not
merely a measure of direct $$ received, but other things like taxes,
other social benefits that get tagged along, and time to pursue your
own interest or moonlight.

If it comes from one own's CPF, it is 'finite' and can deplete real
fast. An incentive to go back into the work force.
 
Unemployment 'feedings' has lead countries to have a artificially
higher labour cost than it should and make it less competitive.  (I
know it is not the only reason but it is one of them).  I'm sure that
the forces in Singapore are aware of this and therefore had not
blindly followed the "developed nations" example.
 
...Kyle
From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: A previous challenge to Pak Othman...
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:59:26 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

That he has not answered to. I have sent him email about it, and he
has yet to reply.

In a previous article, he said that some Malaysian
Chinese had won Nobel Prizes but refused to acknowledge that they were
Malaysians. We are still waiting to know who these people are, Pak
Othman, and await your answer with bated breath ( for the past two months
now. ) We would also like to see your source for this info as well.

I am sure a lot of people would really like to know. 

Chua
+==+

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kin@athena.mit.edu (Kin Lam)
Subject: Help wanted from Singaporeans!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:40:27 GMT

Dear friends,

     I just graduated from my college and will be leaving the US. I will start
my work in Singapore in February. Originally, I am from Hong Kong but my family
have moved to Singapore since I came to the US. After leaving the US, I would 
still like to keep in touch with my friends here by emails. I wonder if anyone
of you (those in Singapore) will be willing to share your account with me. (I
don't think I will get an account in the place I work.) Any help and advice will
be appreciated! Thanks in advance! Please send emails to "kin@athena.mit.edu".
Of course, any one who wants to make friends with me is welcome to write to be.
Will be leaving in early February! See you guys in Singapore!


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From: honkeatc@microsoft.com (Hon Keat Chan)
Subject: Re: Kahaner Report: Malaysian computer import duties
Date: 05 Jan 93 18:05:43 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1993Jan4.072050.19632@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4)) writes:
>Black_Swan@MTS.RPI.EDU wrote:
>:  
>:  
>:  
>: ****** Start of Excerpts *****
>:  
>: The Royal Malaysian Customs and Excise Department, clarifying a recent
>: budget day speech by Malaysian Minister of Finance Anwar Ibrahim, has
>: said that the import duty on assembled computers and many
>: computer-related products was abolished with effect from November 30,
>: 1992.  The relevant duty rates had ranged from 5 to 25 percent on some
>: 600 items.
>
>Before you start buying pcs to bring back to Malaysia please note the difference
>in tariffs between declared goods and goods brought in personally without
>filling in any forms.
>
>	I've just checked with Johor customs that for me, I must get the
>services of a company to get tax exemptions for my personal effects and 
>letter of termination of job. I'm not sure about US students. In my time
>I did not need to pay any tax on my personal effects.
>
>	Goods brought in personally are subject to 50% tax no matter if they
>are tax exempted or not, at least that happened to my RC toys. Maybe it was
>due to my aggressive nature. There is no record of the items taxed when you
>pay your import tax. It is just a receipt.
>
>I'll get more info when I go to Johor next week.
>

I just got back from a nice long (3 weeks) vacation at the old kampung and
I brought in a portable via JB.  Wanting to declare it as I was going to
take it back with me when I leave, I took it to a custom officer.  He said
that it was not neccesary since the new budget.  He did ask if it was a
personal item.  A couple of weeks later, I took the same machine in again
and I did not even bother mentioning it.  Absolutely no problems again.

Actually, the price difference in Malaysia for clones are quite competitive.

Your mileage may vary.

Keat
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: brawicz@fraser.sfu.ca (Boleslaw Andrzej Rawicz)
Subject: szukam adresy w polsce
Summary: Szukam pare adresuw w Polsce (Warszawa)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:54:17 GMT

Szukam adresu Wydawnictwa Komunikacji i Lacznosci (w Warszawie),
Archiwum Dokumentacji Mechanicznej, Muzeum Techniki, i innyh
mjiejsc  od ktoryh bym sie mug dowiedzec o motoryzacji w polsce.
Bym byl bardzo wdzenczny jagby ktos podal mi jeden albo wiencej
adresuw tyh organizacji.

dzienkuje,
  B. Rawicz

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From: michalj@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Jankowski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Jasiu/Jasio
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:43:35 GMT
	<MICHALJ.93Jan2135456@ccfs1.fuw.edu.pl>
	<1993Jan7.202442.12659@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.

Wedlug prof. Miodka uzycie formy z -u jako mianownika jest bledne.
Jesli znajde troche czasu (czytaj: nigdy), to poszukam u innych
jezykoznawcow. Zreszta, przynajmniej w Warszawie, forma ta jest
spotykana bardzo rzadko.

   Michal J.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: krak@ellis.uchicago.edu (leszek  kordylewski)
Subject: fans of Cracow read this!
Summary: invitation 
Reply-To: krak@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:28:38 GMT

Dear Friends,
	We are pleased to announce that the First Annual Benefit Ball of 
Alumni Group of Jagiellonian University is being bestowed upon the Deptulas 
Family of Milwaukee Wisconsin, Polish patriots and great contributors to 
Jagiellonian University. Guests of Honor will be: Prof. Andrzej Pelczar, 
Rector of the Jagiellonian University, Honorable Edward Moskal, President of 
the Polish American Congress and Honorable Michal Grocholski, Consul General 
of Republic of Poland.
	We would like to invite all alumni of Jagiellonian University and all 
friends of the city of Cracow to the Ball that will be held on Saturday, 
January 30, 1993 at 7:00 P.M. at the House of White Eagle in Niles, Illinois.
	The proceeds from the Ball will be donated to the Foundation for 
Jagiellonian University in Cracow, Poland. For more information please send 
e-mail or call us at 312/481-0585.
	Sincerely,
Bogdan R. Mucha, President of the Alumni Group of Jagiellonian University
==============================================================================
	Uprzejmie zawiadamiamy, ze Pierwszy Doroczny Bal Dobroczynny 
Stowarzyszenia Absolwentow Uniwersytetu Jagiellonskiego na Obczyznie odbedzie 
sie na czesc Panstwa Deptulow z Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Profesor Szymon Deptula 
i Pani Anastazja Deptula to polscy patrioci, ktorzy hojnie obdarowali Fundacje
UJ i Biblioteke Jagiellonska.
	Serdecznie zapraszamy absolwentow UJ i przyjaciol miasta Krakowa do 
uczestnictwa w Balu, ktory odbedzie sie w sobote 30 stycznia 1993 
o godz. 19-tej w Domu Orla Bialego w Niles, Illinois (przedmiescie Chicago).
Goscmi honorowymi Balu beda: Rektor UJ, Prof. A. Pelczar, Prezes Kongresu 
Polonii Edward Moskal i Konsul Generalny RP Michal Grocholski. Dochody z Balu 
beda przekazane Fundacji Uniwersytetu Jagiellonskiego.
	Po informacje prosimy przeslac "e-mail" lub dzwonic na numer 
(312) 481-0585. 
	Z powazaniem,
Bogdan R. Mucha, Prezes Stowarzyszenia Absolwentow UJ na Obczyznie
===============================================================================
O powyzszym prosze powiadomic wszystkich zainteresowanych.

-- 
Leszek Kordylewski

KRAK@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: (Bobas)
Subject: Re: Jas a sprawa polska
Reply-To: hell
Organization: A company
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:54:02 GMT

In article <30009@castle.ed.ac.uk>, eagv17@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Babilas) writes:
> Rece precz od Jasia.
> 
> Misiu.


Misie precz do lasu.

Siusiu!
From: michalj@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Jankowski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Some more comments in English language, please
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:35:36 GMT
	<1992Dec30.204620.29651@midway.uchicago.edu>
	<1993Jan3.164251.2709@news.uni-stuttgart.de> <#fxrf!f@lynx.unm.edu>
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.

>>>>> On 5 Jan 93 16:41:15 GMT, osinski@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Marek Osinski) said:

Marek> In addition, to those of you who are interested in Polish affairs but do
Marek> not read Polish, let me suggest that you subscribe to English version of
Marek> Donosy. It is a daily bulletin of news from Poland, prepared by
Marek> physicists at the Warsaw University.

I regret to inform you that the English version of Donosy is no
longer published.

If you are interested in Poland (and Eastern Europe in general), try
to subscribe to Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty reports (mail to
rferl-daily-report-request@ADMINA.RFERL.ORG), also available on USENET
in misc.news.east-europe.rferl.

 Cheers
   Michal