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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:07:13 EDT
From:         Bob Resnikoff <RMRCU@CUVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: NOTIS (Library Software)
              8 Apr 1992 10:47:49 CDT from <LGINDLER@TRINITY.EDU>

Our library uses a Cornell telnet that runs under DOS
for library staff use (yes, we run NOTIS).  You can contact Stephen
Davis (daviss@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu) from the library systems office for the
details.

/Bob Resnikoff

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 10:47:49 CDT Lawrence H Gindler said:
>Does anyone's library *staff* use TCP/IP to connect to the NOTIS library
>system with *DOS PC's* ?
>
>If so, how are you handling the various special keys needed for field
>seperators and record seperators when editing records?
>
>We are very happy with access to the public catalog and have no problems
>using both Clarkson's tn3270 software and FTP software's product.
>
>We are very happy with Peter DiCamillo's tn3270 Macintosh package which
>has an ALA keyboard option which must have been developed for
>this specific purpose.
>
>What I can't seem to find is a DOS solution that works.
>
>I would appreciate any help you can offer.
>
>-- larry
>
>
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>Lawrence H. Gindler                         E-mail: LGindler@Trinity.edu
>Assistant Director for User Services     telephony: (512)736-7401
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:45:51 CDT
From:         Landy Manderson <USTS034@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Question Re: Clarkson University TCP and config.tel
X-To:         K3006E7@ALIJKU11.BITNET, ibmtcp-l@pucc.BITNET

You should set the 'ioaddr' parameter in your CONFIG.TEL to match the
packet driver interrupt vector.  In this case, it would be 0x60 because
that's what you specified on the NE2000 command.  If you specify
'hardware=packet' without setting the 'ioaddr', CUTCP automatically goes
hunting for a driver in the range 0x60 through 0x7f.  I would suspect
that the "Warning ... using default search" message is CUTCP's way of
letting you know this is happening.

I assume that the software was working as expected, other than giving you
the warning message...?


On Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:49:29 CDT you said:
>I have recently been able to get my Clarkson TCP and TN3270 to
>work.... almost.  I still get the following error message:
>
>Warning, packet driver vector invalid, using default search
>
>and then on the next lines:
{...}
>Presently, I have "ne2000.com 0x60 0x3 0x300" running from the
{...}
>hardware=packet; interrupt=3
>Should it be something else?  Also, do I need to set "address"
>and "ioaddr", or are the defaults already okay.
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:04:56 CDT
From:         Marty Hoag <NU021172@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Underscore in Host field

On Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:15:00 PDT Mike Friedman (510) 642-1410 said:
>>
>Unfortunately, I believe, RFC821 disagrees with RFC822 on this.  So what is
>one to do?  We have this problem here also:  dozens of campus workstations
>have underscores in their names, and FAL's MAKESITE always truncates them.

   One of the most frustrating things about trying to set any sorts of
standards when using the RFCs is that each one RFC821, RFC822, RFC1034/1035
have somewhat different definitions of "host name" or whatever.  The DNS
folks see their system as a distributed database and thus try to be the
least restrictive.

   One needs to look at the "intersection" of the sets of usable domain
names for the various services they want to use.  I suppose if
a user wants to use e-mail then "letter-digit-hyphen" describes the
characters in the domain name.

   Maybe we need yet another RFC describing "safe" names according to the
various RFCs.  Of course the same folks with improper names probably don't
bother checking RFCs anyway...  As we say in these parts -  Uff da!

            Marty
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:26:50 EST
From:         "Collins, Herman" <SYSHERM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Size of NAMESRV cache

I wrote last week and asked for advice on my NAMESRV cache and
intermediate cache sizes.  The general consensus seemed to be that it
wouldn't hurt to bump them up quite a bit if necessary, so I went from
100 & 50 to 200 & 100, then to 300 & 150.  I haven't gotten the "cache
is full" message in several days, and the hit rate has doubled to about
50%.  We apparently get about 375 queries an hour, almost all from SMTP:

 From UKCC(NAMESRV): NS start time:            Sun Apr  5 09:04:25
 From UKCC(NAMESRV): ----------------------------------------------------
 From UKCC(NAMESRV): Total number of queries:  27522
 From UKCC(NAMESRV): Answers from cache:       14306   (51%)
 From UKCC(NAMESRV): Size of cache:            300  used: 299

Thanks for the info.

                                    Herman Collins

128 McVey Hall                      Bitnet: SYSHERM@UKCC
University of Kentucky              Internet: sysherm@ukcc.uky.edu
Lexington, Ky.  40506-0045          Phone: 606-257-2256
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Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 20:35:39 EDT
From: Guy Hadsall <GHADSAL@auvm.american.edu>
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Subject: Re: E-Mail and the MBA

Question #1:   No, here at The American Univ in Washington DC we don't
utilize the nets/vms much in that fashion.  Though our net access is
relativly *new* and the entire campus is not yet wired, most of us
do keep in touch that way on our own.  But again, do I feel confident
e-mailing a prof over leaving voicemail, nope.

Question #2:  Yes, very often the prof will ask for both.
From: IO10314@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
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Subject: Help needed Maine MBA Assoc.
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:45:53 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

I am part of a group that is forming a MBA Association and am currently looking
for any information regarding other associations around the country.  Helpful
information from members of other associations including successes, failures,
and advice would be appreciated.Please E-Mail information directly to me.

                      Sincerely
M.J. Marino - MBA candidate
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From: jfarral@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Farrall)
Subject: GM shakeup
Organization: The Ohio State University
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:02:26 GMT


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From:         IZHAK@LIUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Full time or Part time?

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I am a student at Baruch college (CUNY), the MBA program here is
designed
for the working students
 part or full time. All the courses are in
the
evenings and there is no distinction between full and part time
programs.
You mig
ht ask "Baruch college....." so before you do some valuble
information.
A few month ago the Forbs published an article on MBA pr
ograms. The
article stst
ed that Because salaries for MBAs dropped it is no longer worth to
take the
expensive programs. They ga
ve a list of the best most effordable
MBA schools,
No 1 was UCLA, No 8 was Baruch college. On the regular scale Baruch
is ranked

32 and way before known Universities take BU as one. I think Baruch
can give
all a good indication of how an evening part time
oriented program
can be better
then more expensive and prestigious full time programs. If we mention faculty I
can say one thing
, Two years ago a professor teaching Finance at Baruch won
the Novell Price...
So if you have the money to take full time progra
m, pay the tuition and give
up two to three years of experiance...
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From: WHITLOCK@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Reid E. Whitlock)
Subject: Re: Top-20?
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:58:34 GMT

In article <9204031810.AA12602@sn636> edatc@SN636.UTICA.GE.COM writes:
>Here's another question to spark some conversation:

>   I've heard from various sources that it isn't even worth getting
>an MBA unless you go to a "top" school.  Of course, what's meant by
>"worth" is debatable.  I assume they are referring to such things as
>salary, job security, and promotability once you get the MBA.  People
>have told me that MBA's from schools that aren't "elite" are not very
>respected.  Obviously, when you consider the ridiculously high costs
>of business schools these days, as well as the 2 years of salary that
>you have to forego while obtaining an MBA, no one should be getting
>an MBA unless they feel it is "worth" it.  Since I am not yet an MBA
>student, I don't know much about it, so I'd like to hear anyone's
>opinions on this topic.



>P.S.  Doug Bank: did you get my message?

I forgot to add Sloan (MIT) to my list. Sorry. It belongs in the "top" not "
nipping". (Note --- Darden just got knocked out of the top ten (11 this 
year) in the latest survey. Bummer!

Reid


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>Lazlo's Chinese Relativity Axiom:
>    No matter how glorious your triumphs, no matter how agonizing your
>    defeats, there are over 1 billion Chinese who just don't give a damn.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 10:18:58 EST
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From:         Bob Lynch <LYNC4226@ELAN.GLASSBORO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Doing a dual degree - Is it worth it?
X-To:         MBA-L%MARIST.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu

I am sure that Brett Lang's comments on IE's came more from a lack of
knowledge of what an IE does than from any experience in the field.
Our problems in industry related to lack of productivity and quality
will be solved only by managers who have the ability to integrate
human elements into the design of the workplace (IE's design the
workplace). These human elements are participative management and
quality concerns which are receiving more attention from business
schools and management througout the country.

If the MBA/IE program has these elements then this dual degree may be
the way to go. However it may be useful only to the MBA interested in
the workplace and production aspects of business or industry.
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:44:16 CST
From:         "Stephen P. Cohen, M.S." <STEVEC@MCES.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: part-time vs. full-time...

As a working professional and part-time (mostly night) student, I
fail to see why there seems to be an effort to discourage older
people returning to school (while still employed).  Yes, I understand
that I can choose not to be exploited as a graduate assistant, and
yes, I also understand that I may have significant experience not
possessed by the professor.

It seems to me that older people (often as part-time students) can
provide certain insights (even contra-views) into areas of the
professor's schpiel.  For example, my human resources professor is a
flaming liberal, while I am a moderate conservative.  We had a lively
debate over wheather or not the "quota bill" was a "quota bill."  For
the lumps (my classmates) who did not participate in the discussion,
I wonder whether they had even heard of the controvercy much less
know what the bill was about.  For those prized students who did
enter into the discussion, we all learned a considerable amount more
about the controversy (and the underlying facts) than if the
professor had been allowed to present his one-sided, very biased
view.

As for the programs, I suspect that a part-time Harvard MBA is no
less distinguished than a traditional Harvard MBA.  Harvard must
recognize the importance of admitting fully employed people as
students in their MBA programs.  Isn't there a "fast track" program
for executives?  Is this program highly prized?  You bet (check on
the tuition.)

The school seems more important than the time of day in which one
attends
 class.----------------------------------------------------------------------
Stephen P. Cohen, M.S.                    |SteveC@MCES.MsState.Edu
Computer Specialist - Administration      |Post Office Box 5446
Computer Applications and Services        |Mississippi State, MS 39762
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 09:54:00 EST
From:         IZHAK@LIUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: part-time vs. full-time...

I am a student at Baruch college (CUNY), the MBA program here is designed
for the working students part or full time. All the courses are in the
evenings and there is no distinction between full and part time programs.
You might ask "Baruch college....." so before you do some valuble information.
A few month ago the Forbs published an article on MBA programs. The article stst
ed that Because salaries for MBAs dropped it is no longer worth to take the
expensive programs. They gave a list of the best most effordable MBA schools,
No 1 was UCLA, No 8 was Baruch college. On the regular scale Baruch is ranked
32 and way before known Universities take BU as one. I think Baruch can give
all a good indication of how an evening part time oriented program can be better
then more expensive and prestigious full time programs. If we mention faculty I
can say one thing, Two years ago a professor teaching Finance at Baruch won
the Novell Price...
So if you have the money to take full time program, pay the tuition and give
up two to three years of experiance...
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:29:00 EDT
From:         Christ Eric <MECHRIST@EMUBUS.BITNET>
Subject:      E-Mail and the MBA

Another survey question:

1) In your program, do the MBA students communicate with professors via e-mail?
2) Do any of them accept electronic papers or reports?

At Emory, the new Information and Technology Club is trying to develop some
 initiatives
to increase the use of e-mail and the computer center in general.  While the
 students are
really using the computer resources to their fullest extant, the faculty are
 still quite
hesitant to integrate computers into their classes.

Your comments and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Eric Christ

MECHRIST@EMUBUS.BITNET
MECHRIST@EMUBUS.BUS.EMORY.EDU
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 08:07:01 EDT
From:         edatc@SN636.UTICA.GE.COM
Subject: Re: Top-20?
X-To:         MBA-L%MARIST.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu

On Apr 4th, Dan Neary wrote:

> I haven't seen a list of top schools for a while.  Could somebody rattle-off
> the top 20 or let me know where to look for it?
>
> Dan Neary
> Proud part-time MBA student at the University of St. Thomas, St. Paul, MN

From the 1991 edition of Business Week's Guide to the Best Business Schools:

 1. Northwestern (Kellogg)
 2. University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
 3. Harvard
 4. University of Chicago
 5. Stanford
 6. Darthmouth (Amos Tuck)
 7. University of Michigan
 8. Columbia
 9. Carnegie-Mellon
10. UCLA (Anderson)
11. MIT (Sloan)
12. University of North Carolina
13. Duke (Fuqua)
14. Virginia (Darden)
15. Indiana
16. Cornell (Johnson)
17. NYU (Stern)
18. University of Texas-Austin
19. UC Berkeley (Haas)
20. University of Rochester (Simon)



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From: kondaman@usc.edu (John Kondamani)
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Subject: Doing a dual degree - Is it worth it?
Date: 10 Apr 1992 15:48:45 -0700
Organization: University of Southern Calif. Los Angeles CA.
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Currently, I am in the MBA program here at USC. USC also offers a dual
degree program in which 18 of the 63 units required for the MBA can be
taken at the Industrial Engg. dept thereby getting a dual degree
(MBA/MS in Industrial Engg). The question is: is it worth it? Will an
employer decide that you are not a full fledged MBA or Engineer?
Should I use those 18 units in the MBA program itself or should I
diversify?

Thanks in advance to responses




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From: skolnick@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shari A Kolnicki)
Subject: top schools
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:30:51 GMT

Ohio State has been ranked in the top 25 recently for the MBA program.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:32:18 IST
From:         Dolev Rafaeli <CVRDOLV@TECHNION.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Doing a dual degree ...

I feel fortunate to hold both an Industrial and Management Eng. degree,
as well as an M.Sc in Operations Management.
I did not have much time to practice my (as you call it) "workplace design"
before I started dealing with marketing, and I now manage an export (internatio
nal marketing) dept.

Ever since my first day wiht the company (7 years) I found the IE studies
worth the time - as I had to make decisions based on a broader perspective
(as copared to a finance or marketing major) taking into account the human,
engineering financial and other aspects.
Having the IE degree (from a good school) brings with it something from many
fields.

Everyone considering management (marketing, financial or other) should consider
the broad base given by IE education combined with other resources.

Dolev Rafaeli
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:04:18 EDT
From:         Brett Lang <BLANG@CBACC.CBA.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Doing a dual degree - Is it worth it?
X-To:         MBA-L%MARIST@uga.cc.uga.edu

> I am sure that Brett Lang's comments on IE's came more from a lack
> of knowledge of what an IE does than from any experience in the
> field.  Our problems in industry related to lack of productivity
> and quality will be solved only by managers who have the ability to
> integrate human elements into the design of the workplace (IE's
> design the workplace). These human elements are participative
> management and quality concerns which are receiving more attention
> from business schools and management througout the country.

> If the MBA/IE program has these elements then this dual degree may
> be the way to go. However it may be useful only to the MBA
> interested in the workplace and production aspects of business or
> industry.

I stand by my claims as to IE courses.  When getting my electrical
engineering degree, many engineers took as many IE courses for
electives as possible.  They did so not because they were useful, but
because they were the easiest courses that would meet the
requirements (some people aren't interested in actually learning,
just in getting the degree).  I agree that production and operations
management is a very important field.  And I can understand why so
many MBA programs put such emphasis on it (heck, it's even one of my
areas of concentration for this program).  But I believe that you can
get enough by taking production electives or sequences (depending on
the program) and are better off spending excess free classes by
taking courses that will broaden business knowledge.

Production is not an isolated field, it requires human resource
management, financing, information systems, and an understanding of
what the marketing department wants to do....By taking classes in
other areas such as these a student can gain a better overall
understanding of business as a whole.  I think you are better served
in specializing in production within the program, and becoming more
involved in business overall than in taking the extra IE courses.
I guess it really depends on the structure of your program, how much
you love production/operations, and how much connection you see
between p/o and the central office....

Just my opinion...I meant no offenses.
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From: WHITLOCK@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Reid E. Whitlock)
Subject: Re: Top-20?
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:51:52 GMT

In article <01GIGSN0XYXS8Y5PCB@stthomas.edu> DTNEARY@STTHOMAS.EDU writes:
>I haven't seen a list of top schools for a while.  Could somebody rattle-off
>the top 20 or let me know where to look for it?

>Dan Neary
>Proud part-time MBA student at the University of St. Thomas, St. Paul, MN

Darden (Virginia), Fuqua (Duke), Stanford, Harvard, Kellogg (Northwestern), 
Michigan, Chicago, Wharton (Penn.), Tuck (Dartmouth), Columbia usually 
jockey for position as top ten. UNC, Cornell and a few others are nipping at 
the heels.

Reid Whitlock
Associate Professor
Darden School
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:50:59 EDT
From:         Brett Lang <BLANG@CBACC.CBA.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Doing a dual degree - Is it worth it?
X-To:         MBA-L%MARIST@uga.cc.uga.edu

> Currently, I am in the MBA program here at USC. USC also offers a dual
> degree program in which 18 of the 63 units required for the MBA can be
> taken at the Industrial Engg. dept thereby getting a dual degree
> (MBA/MS in Industrial Engg). The question is: is it worth it? Will an
> employer decide that you are not a full fledged MBA or Engineer?
> Should I use those 18 units in the MBA program itself or should I
> diversify?
>
> Thanks in advance to responses

I'm now in the MBA program at the University of Georgia....
All I know is that when I was getting my BS in Electrical Engineering
from the University of Pittsburgh (over the past four years) we had a
term for Industrial Engineers....

IE stands for IMAGINARY engineers.....
They think they're really engineers, but it's strictly in their
minds...I personally would stick with the straight MBA.  I have some
friends who were full-time IEs and they could have done a lot better.
(Of course none of them have gone for MBAs yet....)
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