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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: They said it...Leeds v Rangers
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:12:35 GMT

In article <Bx934K.L6L@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
> In a rather bold mood:
> ***************************************************************************
> *eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart) tells us:
> *
> *[on Rangers v Leeds United match first match at Ibrox]
> *
> *Now correct me if I'm wrong, but 2-1 away from home in Europe is an 
> *excellent score.
> *
> *My forecast - Leeds 3 Rangers 1 (possibly after extra time- Rangers  get
> *an early goal and then attempt a mass defence, which doesn't work :-))
> ***************************************************************************
> Yes indeed. It was such a failure they scored a second.
> 

Dave, don't expect any reply from Gerry !!


Anyway you're a genius for putting together this little piece. Pity your
talents are wasted supporting St Mirren  :(

 
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From: marco@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Officiating Changes?
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:41:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: thunder.1992Nov12.124153.26436
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada

I was listening to the sports news yesterday evening on the local
Italian language radio station, and, as usual, they broadcast a few
taped reports from Italy, which regarded the national team and player
trades. But the item that caught my attention the most, was an item
regarding a friendly match. The interesting thing about this friendly,
featuring Inter, and which was to have been played in Monaco last
night if I heard correctly, was that 3 referees were to have been used
on the pitch. The reporter added that if trials in this and and other
future games proved this addition/modification to be "successful", we
might see three referees in the 1994 World Cup.

Some thoughts on this: while better refereeing should always be a goal
(no pun intended), I have some reservations about seeing 3 referees on
the pitch. Depending on how the coordination between the three
referees and two linesman is implemented, something which was not
mentioned in the report, this could cause more problems than it would
solve, IMHO.  Consider this situation: a team just gets the ball in
their half of the field, and starts a rapid counter attack. As usually
happens, the opposing team will try to stop, by legal means or
otherwise, the players' rush forward. A player from the opposing team
fouls a player on the counter attack, and all players' eyes focus on
the referee. Does he play the advantage and say "play on" or stop and
whistle the foul? With one referee to make the decision, there is no
place for discussion; the decision is made quickly as to not disrupt
the flow of the game in situations such as these (I'm sure that others
can mention other similar situations).  What would happen with three
referees on the pitch? Would one of the three have the final say, or
would play have to be stopped for the referees to come to a consensus
in the event of doubtful calls such as these?

It's true that fouls often happen off the play and are not seen by
both the referee and the linesmen, and that referees sometimes make
mistakes in crucial parts of game, either missing handballs, or having
a bad perspective in what would seem to be a foul in the penalty area.
I have a feeling, though, that having more referees on the field would
create a situation where play would be stopped more frequently, and
clarity or better calls, would not necessarily result.

Any other thoughts or additional news on how this 3-referee system
was/would be implemented are very welcome.

Marco...
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From: gsmcd09@castle.ed.ac.uk (K Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: rec.sports.soccer.referee
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:30:24 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

This is a yes vote, but I'm not quite sure if this is what you are
looking for.

Keith
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From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Cup of Poland - 1/8 finals
Summary: Wyniki 1/8 Pucharu Polski
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:51:23 GMT

Cup of Poland (1/8 finals), played on November 10th & 11th.
===========================================================

Legia Warszawa         - Zagl~e,bie Lubin         3:0
Zagl~e,bie Wal~brzych  - Gornik Zabrze            1:1 a.e.t., pen.4:3
Sla,sk Wrocl~aw        - Stal Mielec              5:2 !
Stomil Olsztyn         - L~KS L~odz               0:1
Wisl~a Krakow          - GKS Katowice             0:1 a.e.t.
Widzew L~odz           - Ruch Chorzow             2:0
Ruch II Chorzow        - Miedz Legnica            2:1 a.e.t.
Polger Police          - Wisl~oka De,bica         2:3 a.e.t.

Winners advance to quarterfinals.
Cheers.

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From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Re: Soccer in USA 94
Date: 12 Nov 1992 16:28:24 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

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     1  It is about time that FIFA take a stand on this. The USA should
     2  blend into the soccer "tradition", not the other way around.
     3  Just because USA is a super-power (in all aspects) the world
     4  of soccer should not bend-over.
     5  
     6  I say lets move the tournament to Germany... I wouldn't be 
     7  able to attend any of the games, but at least I won't be so
     8  frustrated.
-------------------------------

They have taken a stand. The nonsense "rumored" to be taking place is just 
that, "Rumor". The US is swiftly moving toward what FIFA wants. The only 
known problem is that ONE field will be a few yards narrower than the others. 
NO OTHER PROBLEMS ARE KNOWN! Lots of opinion says that we (the US) can't pull 
it off - well, we will have to wait and see.
From: jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Re Cameroon 90
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:00:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov13.180014.23409
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Nov13.092425.19387@cs.kuleuven.ac.be> stefaan@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Stefaan Decorte) writes:
>Sean,
>
>when you say that Cameroon did not loose in the Worldcup '90,
>I think you forgot about the match against the Russians(third match of each
>in the qualifications to determine the 16 best teams) :
>
>   USSR - Cameroon 4 - 0
>
>
>P.S.
>   Do not forget that the English team had a very hard time to get past the 
>   Belgian team :
>      England - Belgium  1 - 0      
>     
>      117' David Platt

P.P.S
    Do not forget that Belgium were one of the fancied teams in the
    championships and for all their troubles England actually progressed 
    well in the championships, a performance which will never be bettered
    by Graham "Watford Way" Taylor. Is Taylor the anti-christ? :-)
From: roveda@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Juventus - Forza Juve!
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:31:35 GMT
Reply-To: roveda@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: roveda@grumpy.cc.utexas.edu

Superformazione Juve: 
(scordando la sconfitta di Atene) la formazione piu' forte
del mondo.  Perche' non si poteva "tesserare" Boniek e Platini come 
Italiani e mandar la Juve in Messico nel 1986?

(forgetting the Champion's Cup loss in Athens) the best team, 
ever!

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|    Cabrini                 |                           |
|      +     Bonini          |                           |
|              +             |                           |
|----                       .|. +Bettega             ----|
|Zoff|Scirea       Platini.  |  .                   |   _|
|+   |)+     +       +    .  |  .                  (|  |_|
|    |      Brio            .|.                     |    |
|----                  +Boniek  +Rossi               ----|
|              +             |                           |
|      +       Tardelli      |                           |
|    Gentile                 |                           |
|____________________________|___________________________|


There are "Milanisti", "Interisti", tifosi granata and napoli
fans (morte al napoli: Atalanta - Napoli 3-2), but no "Juventini", 
so we added the cream to the cake (see above).

Thanx to all of you out there who post the results for Euro cups 
(on Thursday) and Serie A & B results (on Monday).  We had to wait 
a week for "Il Corriere della Sera" to get to the library!

                        Forza Juve
                        Forza Atalanta - Bergamo forever.                        
                              
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Marco Roveda   - Chemical Engineering
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From: ee_d313@ceres (Babajide Oyabayo)
Subject: Re: Alex "shit-4-brains" Ferguson
Organization: Kingston University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:20:09 GMT


I totally agree with your comments about Alex Fergie
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Subject: World Cup Qualifier Fixtures
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:08:42 GMT

Here are the fixtures of the games scheduled for the next few days:

08 Nov	Concacaf Grp A		St Vincent  -  Mexico
08 Nov	Concacaf Grp A		Costa Rica  -  Honduras
08 Nov	Concacaf Grp B		    Canada  -  El Salvador
08 Nov	Concacaf Grp B		   Jamaica  -  Bermuda

11 Nov	Europe Group 3		   Albania  -  Latvia
11 Nov	Europe Group 5		    Greece  -  Hungary
11 Nov	Europe Group 6		    Israel  -  Sweden

14 Nov	Europe Group 4		   Romania  -  Czechoslovakia
14 Nov	Europe Group 6		    France  -  Finland

15 Nov	Concacaf Grp A		    Mexico  -  Honduras
15 Nov	Concacaf Grp A		St Vincent  -  Costa Rica
15 Nov	Concacaf Grp B		    Canada  -  Bermuda

I'll post the rest of the November fixtures after these matches have been
played...I'll be back now and then with the results. Till then,

Cheers,
	Harin
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From: marco@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Subject: Italian Caps for Scotland - Italy Match
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:00:50 GMT

In preparation for the World Cup Qualifying match between Scotland
and Italy, which will be played on Wednesday, November 18 in Glasgow,
Italian national team coach Arrigo Sacchi capped the following 19
players yesterday:

from Inter:	Bianchi,
from Juventus: 	Dino Baggio, Roberto Baggio, Vialli,
from Lazio:	Signori,
from Milan:	Albertini, Baresi, Costacurta, Donadoni, Eranio,
		Lentini, Maldini,
from Parma:	Di Chiara,
from Sampdoria: Corini, Lanna, Mancini, Mannini, Pagliuca,
from Torino:	Marchegiani.


Marco...
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From: baustad@idt.unit.no (Jostein Baustad)
Subject: England squad for Turkey-game
Reply-To: baustad@idt.unit.no (Jostein Baustad)
Organization: The Norwegian Institue of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 09:13:39 GMT

Does anyone know the England squad for the Turkey-game? The squad for the
U-21 game will be appreciated as well.

Jostein

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From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Spanish Fixtures help Wanted urgently
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:31:50 GMT

--

I'm travelling to the Spain v Ireland game next Wednesday.  Due to a
change in my flight plans I now arrive in Malaga at 13.20 on Sunday.
I believe games kickoff at 17.00.  I have the Spanish fixtures for the 
season but there are no first or second division games scheduled.  I
presume there will be games in the regional third division.  Are there
any games on Sunday within 2 hours drive of Malaga airport?  Please
reply asap as I leave on Friday.  Yes I know I'm mad. :-)

This is less urgent but does anyone know the live television game
for Saturday November 21st?  I'm hoping it will be Cadiz v Real Madrid.


       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

  On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
  facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
  relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
  find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
  to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby
From: leitm@solb1.essex.ac.uk (Leith M F)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English Soccer
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:38:05 GMT
Reply-To: leitm@essex.ac.uk (Leith M F)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

In article <1992Nov6.163416.8065@aie.nl> louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen) writes:
>In article <6226@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> leitm@essex.ac.uk (Leith M F) writes:
>>Three cheers for the sportsmanship in Dutch international football.
>>Players like "Gobber" Rijkard and "hacker" Koemann do so much for the
>>image of the game.
>
>And what is your finishing touch? A stupid remark in the style of the ones you
>replied on. Rijkaard is one of the most clean players I know. I think
>each country has it hackers.
>
And what was YOUR finishing touch ?  A statement in support of a player who
spat at Voeller twice in the last World Cup, once to get him sent off and
once afterwards.  Get your facts right.  I made legitimate criticisms of
two rather dirty players.
If Rijkaard is one of the cleanest players you know, Dutch football
must REALLY be dirty!  Seriously though, 
I regret having had a go at Dutch football in general.  I was pretty fed
up at the rubbish those two guys put in the original post.


Mig.
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From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Just laughing at England
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:02:04 GMT

--
In article <1domc4INNac7@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk>, bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:

|>In article <BxI3Dn.Drw@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
|>
|>>Ther used to be a competion in the early 70s like this, Dryborough Cup? but
|>>I can't remember what the general outcome was over the piece.
|>
|>Wasn't this the Texaco Cup?

Both are correct and there was also the Anglo Scottish Cup where Rangers made 
a less glorious trip south of the border - lost 3-0 to Chesterfield.


       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

  On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
  facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
  relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
  find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
  to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby
From: christos@cco.caltech.edu (Christos S. Christoforou)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: celtic - rangers
Date: 7 Nov 1992 17:07:23 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Summary: 6 pts clear now?


rangers scored a goal at the 33rd minute of the
first half to win their match against celtic by 1-0.

the goal was scored by durrant. I think.

christos

ps sandy: I can't send mail except to brown...
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From: 002564r@ace.acadiau.ca (RICARDO FLAVIO ROMAN-CARBAJAL)
Subject: peruvian soccer
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:27:49 GMT




"Universitario de deportes" is heading the season by 3 points.There are 
two games more to end the season but If they win the next game  on sunday 
to "San Agustin", they will be the Champions




......"Y dale U" 
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From: mikmoore@alfred.carleton.ca (Mike Moore)
Subject: Rule Query
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:09:38 GMT

Has FIFA changed the law about the keeper receiving the ball  from a
defender within the penalty area? A recent posting implied this as a
result of the new back pass rule. What if the keeper throws the ball
out and a defender _inside_ the area   _heads_ it back to him. Can he
now use his handds again?

                              Mike Moore

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From: evans@pan.arc.nasa.gov (Dan Evans)
Subject: English Premier Div. results needed 10/24
Organization: NASA/Ames Research Center, Moffett Field CA USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 16:24:37 GMT

Could someone send me the results from the English Premier Division
for the weekend of October 24th (inc the Sunday/Monday games).

Cheers...Dan

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From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: English Premier Division - early preds
Keywords: will it be Villa or Arsenal ?
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:04:20 GMT
Organization: AT&T

With the Premier League one third of the way through it looks as if
Arsenal and Aston Villa will be the title contenders as far as traditional
powers go. Blackburn, Norwich and Q.P.R. have made a good start but can
they keep up at the same pace ?
I personally foresee a Gunners vs. Villans battle all the way to the
finish. Arsenal have a superb striking force that only lately has been
put to good use. In my opinion, Wright, Merson, Smith, and Campbell are
enough to equip two top-notch Premier Division front lines, let alone
one. The Gunners also have experience on their side - most of the players
have won one or two championships in the not too distant past.
Villa have a good manager in Big Ron who has staffed the team with some
players that are capable of sustaining a continuous chalenge on the title.
Paul McGrath, Kevin Richardson, Ray Houghton and Cyril Regis are the 
veterans that form the Villa nucleus around which talents like Dalien
Atkinson (built like a brickhouse), Dean Saunders (regained his scoring
touch) and Tony Daley (grease lightning) can thrive.

I remember an article I read in the Sunday Times near the begining of the
season where this football pundit (can't remember his name) that is supposedly 
a mega prophet, predicted that Aston Villa will win the league and Chelsea
the F.A. Cup. I didn't take it too seriously at first, but then the article
said that he got 8 out of 10 (!!!) predictions correctly in the 1991-92
season, regarding League winner, FA Cup winner, promotions, relegations etc..
It stuck with me ever since.

Well, if it isn't the Gunners, I wouldn't actually mind Villa winning the
league, considering I used to live in good old Brum and frequented the
Holte End at Villa Park when I couldn't watch Arsenal.

Enough rambling - oh, Spurs' recent form is a concern, though, however I'm 
confident that they will soon go back to their usual crappy selves and hopefully
depart the Premier Division. May they have a long and horrible season (:-)))

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From: cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rangers Match Report
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:47:31 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Nov12.094245.3382@spider.co.uk>, scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
> Played on Wednesday 11th November
> 
> Rangers     3  Dundee  1
> 
> McCoist 31,49  Den Biemen 42
> Hateley 89
> 
> Att. 33,497
      -31,000
       ------
        2,497
       ======


Scott,

you after all are a man who craves takes an avid interest in crowds who 
visit The Pontiff's Eleven  (could do with a couple of Swiss Guards up front)
at the piggery.  By my reckoning only 2,500 fans sans seasons could be arsed
after 98 straight wins in a row!!!!!

Surely not so loyal!


Dan

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