From: gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
Newsgroups: alt.feminism,soc.men
Subject: Re: Double Standards for Insensitivity
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:45:53 GMT
Reply-To: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel)
Followup-To: alt.feminism
Organization: The Piranha Club

#I also want to say that there definitely are anti-male jokes that get
#a big laugh from a lot of women -- including feminists like me.  There
#are jokes that stereotype men as being insensitive, unintuitive,
#overly involved in things like sports, etc.

% "I also want to say that there definitely are anti-female jokes that get
% a big laugh from a lot of men -- including men like me.  There
% are jokes that stereotype women as being premenstrual, idiotic,
% overly involved in things like hair care, etc."

In article <1b2as1INN366@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu 
(Michal Leah Peri) writes:

>There's a difference.  Men make jokes about what women *are*
>(eg, being premenstrual).  

I know quite a few jokes which are about what women *do* (check 
rec.humor sometimes).  E.g. 

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A woman strode angrily into the large drug-store-cum-general-store, slapped
a package on the counter, and loudly expressed her dissatisfaction.

The clerk asked "What was the problem? Wouldn't your cat eat them?"

The woman's eyes got very large, and she whispered "Do you mean to tell me
that Pussy Treats are meant for _cats_?"

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The qualities that most attract a woman to a man are usually the
same ones she can't stand years later. 

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A Computer Operator says as she is lifting an RP06 disk pack from the drive:
"Gee, how much does one of these weigh?"
Me: "It depends on how much data is on the disk....
The operator believed it.

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	I had a similar experience while working as a student operator at
Michigan Tech. One particularly trying afternoon, the computer was merrily
crashing for a number of reasons. After about four such spectacles, we
broadcast that the computer would be down for the remainder of the afternoon.
There was a resigned groan from the users and they began to file out of the
Center, except for one comely young woman with wide blue eyes who wandered up
to the counter and queried:
	"What's wrong with the computer?"
Too tired and irritated to give her a straight answer, I looked her straight 
in the eye and replied: "Broken muffler belt."
A look of deep concern wafted into her expression as she asked:
	"Oh, that's bad. Can you call Midas?"

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>Women make jokes about what men *do*
>(eg, behaving in an insensitive fashion).

If she tells why cucumber are better than men, she talks about what men
*do*, if he tells why beer is better than women, he talks about
what women *are*.  What a great feminist theory!

BTW do you *ever* check your theories against some real data?

>							--  Michal

Hillel                                               gazit@cs.duke.edu

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Press "n" now if you get offended by jokes.

A beer doesn't give a [expletive deleted] if you keep a bunch of
other beers around.

A beer will not call you a sexist pig if you say "doberman" instead of
"doberperson".

A beer won't raise a fuss about a little thing like leaving the
toilet seat up.

If you mention a "three-hundred-fifty cubic-inch V8" around a beer,
it won't think you're talking about an enormous can of vegetable juice.

A beer won't whine that seatbelts hurt.

A beer won't smoke in your car.

A beer won't accuse you of lying when you say you read Playboy
"just for the articles".  (You _are_ lying, but the beer won't
accuse you of it).

A beer won't accuse you of being a sexist pig if you say "Gene Hackman"
instead of "Gene Hackperson".

A beer won't make you eat some experimental vegetarian meal that tastes
like STP Oil Treatment.