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From: D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar)
Subject: Strippers in Tenn.
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:17:42 GMT

What time of year and which lakes are the best for Strippers in Tenn.
 
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:20:46 EST
From: <JAL127@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Steelhead in PA

Well having living in Erie, PA all of my life and fishing for steelhead for the
 last 5 years, I can say that yes steelhead can be found in Pa streams up until
March or april. fishing can also be done off of the mouth of the streams as lon
g as the weather is nice and the wind is calm.
From: raf50@JUTS.amail.amdahl.com (Richard A Frankel)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: flyfishing listserv address
Date: 12 Dec 92 04:30:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corp.

I know this has been posted before, but I lost it. Could someone
please email me the address of the flyfishing listserver?
thanx in advance.
rick
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From: bpencek@nevada.edu (Bruce Pencek)
Subject: Re: Mayfly Larvae
Organization: Political Science, UNLV
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:35:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.193335.28641@convex.com> brohard@convex.com (James Brohard) writes:
>   My son got this idea, that maybe adding a mayfly to the hook along with his
>worm, would make a difference, so he scouted out the biggest mayfly he could
>find, and speared him onto the end of the hook. He cast the bait into the water,
>using a bobber, with the bait set about 2-2 1/2 feet deep. We went this shallow
>because we were casting from the boat up to within about 2-3 feet of the
>rip-rap at the dam.
>   Right away he started getting bites, and fish. After about 15 minutes of him
>getting bites and myself getting nothing, I decided to try a Mayfly on the
>end of my hook, with the shrimp still on the hook. Within a minute or so
>I started getting bites. As long as we kept putting on mayflies, we kept
>getting bites, while my daughter who was also using shrimp, but no mayfly still
>wasn't getting any bites.

Well, that's one way to get introduced to fly fishing.  But it sounds more
like matching the hatch, rather than aromas, got the fish.



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From: drake@think.com (Chris Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: How do you catch Tarpon while surfcasting?.........
Date: 13 Dec 1992 18:12:17 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: quicksilver.think.com
Summary: Tarpon

----------

I have made plans to be on Grand Cayman Island for the last week of
January.  I plan to be surfcasting for most of the time there.  I
would like to catch Tarpon and Bonefish while doing this. The only
problem with this idea is that I am not sure what the terminal tackle
should be.  So, if I were to use a 9 to 11 foot rod rated for 1 to 4
ounce lures, what should I be using for a lure?  I usually use Kastmasters
and other spoons.  Will this work?  I know that it does for Barracuda,
(but these guys can be caught with a beer can).  I hear that both
Tarpon and Bonefish are shy and selective.  Someone told me that live
shrimp are the way to go.  Well thats fine for bait fishing but I would
rather use lures. So;

What lure type(s):
What size(s):
What color(s):
Use of leaders:
Weight of line:
Type of island drink:

would you recomend?

Thanks,
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From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Powerbait
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 08:34:07 EST
Organization: Pediatric Surgery, U of Michigan
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>	Wes Miller recently wrote:
I've noticed that a lot of people use Powerbait ... I probably won't
>use the stuff myself, but my 10 year old could sure enjoy catching
something
>other than panfish. 
	
Right Wes.  I used the 'my boy would sure like to catch fish' line also.
Let's admit it, your son starts pulling in 10 pound trout and you'll
be scrambling for powerbait also.
Bob Drongowski
From: templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Mayfly Larvae
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:44:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grayling.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <8799@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>, chip@rrc.chevron.com (Chip Parham) writes:
|> >Usually, holding a seine downstream, or if you have a fishing partner, have
|> >them hold it, and then kick over rocks or use a wading staff to dislodge
|> >the nymphs.  Some people consider this practice as "not playing fair" if
|> >you continue to do this without the seine.  It tends to dislodge the nymphs
|> >in the path of possibly feeding fish.  Once you've matched the nymph your
|> >fly would be drifting along with the natural nymphs.  
|> 
|> This method of wading and chumming while fishing downstream is extremely destructive and
|> illegal in many western states.  I believe both Utah and Montana ban this type of "matching the
|> hatch."

This method actually has a pet name among flyfisher's - they call it
the "San Juan Shuffle" and it's largely frowned upon by most flyfishers
I know. (Guides have been known to do the "San Juan Shuffle" to scare up
action for their clients.)

About seining, I actually carry such a seine in my vest and use it (sparingly!)
to sample insect populations before tying on a nymph. The reason I asked about
catching "wigglers" is that I've had poor luck seining up hexagenias and other
mud-burrowing mayflies like the EASTERN green drake, brown drake, and yellow
drake. I didn't know they were readily available in bait shops! :-)

Fred
  

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From: templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Mayfly Larvae
Date: 16 Dec 1992 00:21:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grayling.cs.berkeley.edu

Just out of curiosity, how do you *get* enough hexagenia nymphs
to consider using them as bait? Can you actually seine up a bunch
of them from the bottom of streams? I know your rivers out there
in Michigan harbor excellent hex hatches, but I've personally
never had any luck catching these or other wiggle nymphs myself
and would like to know how it's done...

Fred
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From: mjo@beat.b24b.ingr.com (Michael J. Oatley)
Subject: Re: PH monitoring
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:22:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.123223.3010@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Frank Kruppenbacher) writes:
|> A local creek that I fly fish often has a special telephone number that will
|> give me an 'automated voice' message of the water level. I also go to the creek
|> and take water temperatures from time to time. I keep this data in my 
|> computer and over the years I've built up some useful data.
|> 
|> I'd like to start taking PH readings too. How can I do this in a way that is
|> convenient, simple, inexpensive and most of all accurate?


	pH kits are available in aquarium shops. I use them from time to
	time to check the acidity in my tank at home. I don't recall them
	being very expensive. And they are simple & convenient. I have no
	reason to question the accuracy.

	


	Michael J. Oatley		
	mjo@beat.b24b.ingr.com       passion for Truth hunts in no pack
	205/730-8738			


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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: fisfinder without a boat (was Re: What
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:19:15 GMT

In article 15889@auspex-gw.auspex.com, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> In article <1992Dec14.165043.17081@ncsu.edu> plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
> >In article <1992Dec11.181746.6050@shearson.com>, scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis) writes:
> ||> i guess i am old fashioned . i believe in going fishing and enticing it to eat my hook. a fish finder doesnt guarantee it will bite. so its more fun to go blind. 
> ||> 
> ||> Steve C. 
> |
> |Have you ever fished "blind" in a 200,000 acre lake?  
> 
> Are how about mooching for Salmon in the pacific ocean.
> 
> |Until you are familiar with the lake (couple of seasons), you are wasting 
> |your time.  Maybe this is fun, I don't know...
>  
> Part of the fun/challenge of fishing is reading the water and trying to
> determine where the fish are.  Whether this is done electronically or just
> through experience is the issue.  Whichever technique one uses depends on
> the fishery.  A chart recorder isn't going the help much on a alpine stream
> but is a significant advantage in the ocean or other large section of water.
> Still there is a certain amount of satisfaction in being able to locate fish
> base purely on experience.  At the same time, when fishing streams one may
> be able to locate a fish fairly easily, and the challenge comes in enticing
> that fish to take whatever you decide to throw its way. 
> 
> NOTE: from now on when I respond to an article in alt.fishing I will set up
> the followup line to rec.outdoors.fishing.  All fishing discussions should
> take place in that group.
> 
> -- 
> +==========================================================================+
> | John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
> | johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
> +==========================================================================+


bravo. good answer. 
just remember getting skunked is gods way of saying .. not today.. come back tomorrow.
hehehe..


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Steve C. 

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                             - Just fools who think they are.
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From: philip@bluedg.linet.org (Philip Perlman)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Using live bait
Date: 14 Dec 92 09:45:08 GMT

Hello Mark!

On Wednesday December 09 1992, Mark Roberts ~ was seen whispering to All:

 MR~> From: mroberts@ptdcs2.intel.com (Mark Roberts ~)
 MR~> Path:
 MR~> src4src!mcdhup!rutgers!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!chnews!hfglobe!ptd!mr
 MR~> ob erts Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Subject: Using live bait
 MR~> Organization: Intel Corporation -- Aloha, Oregon
 MR~> Message-ID: <1992Dec9.153622.26129@ptdcs2.intel.com> Date: 9 Dec 92
 MR~> 15:36:22 GMT

 MR~> In article <danielbt.723798445@marsh> danielbt@cs.curtin.edu.au (Brett
 MR~> Daniel) writes:

 >> Yeh well, I admit I'm a rookie, but I've got a problem with getting my
 >> live whiting or herring to stay on the hook when I'm fishing off rocks.
 >>
 >> Can anyone suggest a good method of live baiting for rock or boat fishing

Several. First you should be using a sinker that is rounded, not one of the pyrimidal type sinkers. Secondly, you can try fastening your sinker to your line with a lighter weight line than your fishing line. That way if the sinker *does* get caught the line/hook etc. will break away from the sinker. If you are live bait fishing the hook should actually ride along the line and the sinker should be fastened at the end. The hook and it's leader can be attached to a one end of a double swivel, and the the fish





ing line should be threaded through the other end of the double ended swivel. Now you should use a larger double ended swivel, one end of which is tied to the end of the line. This prevents the swivel with the bait from riding down too far to the end. Attache a piece of lighter line to the other end of the larger double swivel and to that you can attach your sinker. Variations on this theme should occur to you.

                                        /* Phil */
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From: euatoj@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Johansson)
Subject: Re: Salmon flies
Reply-To: euatoj@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:56:18 GMT



Hi again!

One of the most interesting things about fly dressing
is that you have to do a lot of research of your 
own. You get a description, you try to define it, and
then you tie the fly. If you can't define the fly, you
can't tie it. So ...
From the description of the '17 fly':

        wing:   3 transparent flash
                (to the end of the tail)
                Give the flash an angle of
                45 degrees; and let them have
                a top view like this:

                        (tail)


                        \ | /
                         \|/
                          O

                        (head)

                This will let the flash to
                pulsate in an attractive way in
                the water

 WHAT !!!!! 	:-(

 =>

	wing:	3 Pearl flash (Krystal Flash,
		Flashabou or another sort of
		flash*)
                (to the end of the tail)
                Give the flash ...

		:-)


* Flash is a synthetic material, ask your Fly 
dressing supplier** if you don't know what it is.  

** 	A good supplier in US:
	HUNTERS Angling Supplies
	Central Sq. - Box 300
	New Boston, NH 03070
	USA
---

Thanks Sandy for your description of, and 
instruction to tie a 'closed-cell foam grasshopper'.
One question only, which color should the thread
have, which you wrap around the foam?

---

Thanks again Kurt Alfredsen, for your description of 
'Dyret fra Nordfjordeid' (Jock Scott variant):

	tube:	1.5-2"
	body:	Rear half yellow floss, front half
		black floss
	rib:	Oval silver tinsel
	wing:	Blue, yellow and red bucktail,
		a couple of peacock herls and long
		black goat (or fishhair) over
		(On top of the tube only, and 
		~ 1.5 x length of tube)
	hackle:	Natural guinea fowl hackle
	head:	Black

---

Another easy-to-tie-fly, which I use rather often 
is 'the Smack', here's a description:

	tag:	Thin oval silver tinsel and orange
		fluorescent nylon yarn
	tail:	A tuft of orange fluoresent nylon 
		yarn
	body:	Black floss
	rib:	Medium or large oval gold tinsel
	front
	hackle:	Hot orange
	wing:	Red squirrel tail; 2 pearl krystal
		flash and 3 red krystal flash; Black 
		squirrel tail
		(to the end of the tail, as usual)
	sides:	Jungle cock
	head:	Black

come on folks, don't hide your favourite flies ...
... the evolution of fly dressing, you know  ...

/ Tomas 




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From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)
Subject: Re: Strippers in Tenn.
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:28:25 GMT

In article <168BD9ED6.D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar) writes:
>What time of year and which lakes are the best for Strippers in Tenn.
> 

I dunno, but let me know what you find out...I wanna be there for the
next show :-)...



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From: meyer+@pitt.edu (Timothy S Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Hooks and Fish Finders
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:16:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: meyer@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu

I have a couple of questions.

(1) I want to replace trebles on many of my lures with single hooks, But I
can't seem to locate single hooks with eyes large enough to move freely on
the split rings.  Any ideas?

(2) I am dreaming of a fish finder (this dream comes and goes every four
months or so) for use on the ice and in an inflatable raft on open water.
The Vexlar FL-8 is being considered among others.  I don't mind learning
to use these things; thus, a flasher will be as much fun as a graph.  But,
does anyone have experience with porting a fish finder in a boat and out
and back in and on the ice and back in the boat, etc.?  Pointers would
be appreciated.

Looking forward to getting on the ice with a flasher (lure) and jig combo.

Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: plheron@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: Strippers in Tenn.
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:34:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.230448.25909@infonode.ingr.com>, mjo@beat.b24b.ingr.com (Michael J. Oatley) writes:
|> In article <168BD9ED6.D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>, D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar) writes:
|> |> What time of year and which lakes are the best for Strippers in Tenn.
|> 
|> I talked to a guide in the Tims Ford area about three weeks ago - he said
|> they were taking stripers in the Tims Ford and also in Woods Reservoir 
|> this time of year. (He mentioned crappie were hitting well, to.)
|> 
|> I've never really fished for striper though (caught a few by accident) so
|> I can't say if winter is best or just good or at least better than largemouth.
|> BTW, Tims Ford & Woods Revervoir are in South-Central Tennessee, near the
|> Tullahoma, Winchester, Lynchburg area.

I talked to a man who guides on Kerr Reservoir (Buggs Island)
on the NC/VA border.  He describes his method of fishing as 
"controlled drifting using large herring."  He uses  down-lines 
and cork-lines with swivels and egg-sinkers, he also uses flat-lines.
He only guides in the winter up through late spring (he farms 
tobacco and works as a carpenter in the summer) because the stripers 
go too deep when the water gets too warm.  He says that the only 
problem with fishing in the winter is that the herring become 
difficult to find (I suspect that he gets his below the dam).

Locally (Raleigh NC) there is a small population of stripers 
in Falls Lake.  The fishing season for them is just getting 
started.  

I think that winter is a good time to catch stripers, from what 
I'm told, the best time is in the spring when the surface temperature 
comes out of the 50's. 

			-Pat.



Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: euatoj@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Johansson)
Subject: Salmon flies
Reply-To: euatoj@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:00:48 GMT

(This news were delivered within Europe yesterday,
  to the whole world today ...)

I would like to discuss Salmon flies.
Give us your own favourite fly, or tying tips
and so on.
Here is a good fly, which I got from a
local Fly Fisherman when I were fishing
in morrum, Sweden this autumn.
Let us call it:  17 fly
 
        tag:    Oval gold tinsel (small) 
        tail:   Red Game Cock hackle fibre  
                (one hook gap in length) 
        body:   Dubbing from Hare's face
        tinsel: Oval gold tinsel (medium) 
        wing:   3 transparent flash  
                (to the end of the tail)
                Give the flash an angle of
                45 degrees; and let them have 
                a top view like this: 
 
                        (tail) 
 
                        \ | /
                         \|/ 
                          O      
 
                        (head) 
                 
                This will let the flash to
                pulsate in an attractive way in
                the water
        collar
        hackle: Red Game Cock hackle
        head:   Black
 
Try this one, you never know ...
 
/ Tomas
 
 




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From: sandy@cs.montana.edu (Sandy Pittendrigh)
Subject: Re: Salmon flies
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Distribution: eunet
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:46:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.184625.29965@eua.ericsson.se> euatoj@eua.ericsson.se writes:
> 
>I would like to discuss Salmon flies.
>Give us your own favourite fly, or tying tips
>and so on.
>
>
	I posted instructions a while back for tying a yellow,
closed-cell foam grasshopper. The same fly can be tied with orange
foam, and called a salmon fly. The only catch is that it requires
1/4" thick closed-cell foam, which is very hard to come by. I 
think Dale Clemens has it in Penn. somewhere. I get it wholesale
from a boat-building supply (they use it for seat cusions),
but not everybody has that access.
	The beauty of closed cell foam, is that it won't sink
no matter what. And you can use the fly as a bobber (for a 
drifting salmon fly nymph) that catches fish, while indicating
for the nymph. I caught the biggest fish I ever caught on a 
floating fly two seasons ago on a foam salmon fly. It was
a grossly fat, jiggle-belly brown that measured a solid 24" long.
Pretty nifty fish, for a dry fly.
	I cut the foam out to a tapered blank, and then lay it
against a thin needle, and then wrap it lightly with thread
to give it a dimpled look. Then I lash the body down on the hook,
loosely, and add a little soft, flexible "fabric cement" to hold
it all in place. Then I add an elk hair wing. Then I use a wide-
eyed "soft scupture" needle to sew in brown rubberlegs. And then
add an elk hair wing.  It's really just an extra-long, orange
grasshopper. Cutthroats in Yellowstone Park are absolutely
incapable of resisting this fly. Who knows why. Perhaps it
looks like one the big locusts, or fat Mormon Crickets they
like so much. If you mend your line and sink the fly, you
only have to wait a few seconds, and up pops the fly again,
no matter how wet, soggy, or covered with fish slime. 
/*=======================================================================*/
/*                Sandy Pittendrigh  <Sandy@cs.montana.edu>              */
/*=======================================================================*/
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Strippers in Tenn.
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:42:03 GMT
Organization: .

(Steve Rimar) writes:
>What time of year and which lakes are the best for Strippers in Tenn.
 
I'm not sure, but I'd say summer.  Strippers just don't like strippin'
in cold weather.  Not too flattering anyway.

--J.J.
From: jhl@eecae.uucp (John Lawitzke)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Mayfly Larvae
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:20:41 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

From article <1glsqeINNhfu@agate.berkeley.edu>, by templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin):
> Just out of curiosity, how do you *get* enough hexagenia nymphs
> to consider using them as bait?

In Michigan, you just walk into a bait shop and ask for wigglers.
They're a very popular ice fishing bait around here.

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Manager of Product Management
Dale Computer Corp.
Internet: jhl@frith.egr.msu.edu