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From: seth.hutchins@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Seth Hutchins) 
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: none
Date: 29 Dec 92 09:10:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Reply-To: seth.hutchins@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Seth Hutchins) 

Captain Michael C Landauer hailed All on Stardate {12-26-92  16:16}

 MCL> Kirk: Ha that won't work you son of a motherless goat.  Your mother
 MCL> was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!!!  Mr. Scott
 MCL> already planned for your assault and beefed up owr shields buy 500,000
 MCL> percent.  Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time, your
 MCL> brainless wiper of other people's  bottoms....

 MCL> Piccard:  Lock on tractor beam... hold that worthless piece of shit.

 Rand: Captain, just a little peril...?


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Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative,rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: jsmcgi01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Help needed with storyline ideanews
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:28:27 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Starfleet could have specially modified cyber-troops.  A non-Starfleet version
was seen in a ST:TNG episode.
These soldiers would probably have great musculature, endurance, memory, etc. 
Greatly increased physical skills.  They would also have built in 'tronics to
help them with their task at hand.
Just a thought.
From: gordon@meaddata.com (Gordon Edwards)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: none
Date: 21 Dec 1992 22:25:02 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
NNTP-Posting-Host: flash.meaddata.com

In article <3914@sparky.mdavcr.mda.ca> ewm@mdavcr.mda.ca (Eric W. Mitchell) writes:
>Apparently it is a matter of opinion whether a thread such as this 
>falls within the mandate of alt.startrek.creative.  I tend to believe
>it does not.  I do not believe that adding a single line to a story is
>very creative.
>

I have to add my two cents to this thread. I have hesitated to post to this
group because I feel it should be a place to post stories and creative works.
In the spring and summer of this year, you could count on reading a story
segment almost every day. Now, it is not unusual for a week to go by with
nothing of interest to read. If there is this strong urge to discuss things
then maybe we need an alt.startrek.creative.d. Why have huge threads on
Riker's service number? Why not use the rec.arts.startrek.* groups? I don't
want to seem too negative but this group has degenerated into another 
r.a.s.misc.


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From: weinhous@castor.hahnemann.edu (Martin S. Weinhous Ph.D.)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Back To Basics
Date: 24 Dec 1992 10:02:43 -0500
Organization: Hahnemann University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: castor.hahnemann.edu

It is my understanding that this group, alt.startrek.creative, was/
is chartered for the posting of ORIGINAL creative materials such as
stories, poems, songs, etc.

It is also my understanding that discussions of those SAME ORIGINAL
creative materials are also appropriate.

Lately, this group has been used by many for "general" discussions
about startrek. Those discussions probably should go to one of...
    rec.arts.startrek
    rec.arts.startrek.current
    rec.arts.startrek.fandom
    rec.arts.startrek.info
    rec.arts.startrek.misc
    rec.arts.startrek.tech

Also, twice within the last ~4 months well meaning folks have started
"add a bit" stories in the group. As has been pointed out by several
posters, these add-a-bit stories are best constructed off-line (by
e-mail) and then posted here in "final" form.

This posting is a plea that "we" get back to basics and let this
group serve its intended purpose.

Finally, to all the authors of stories, poems, songs, etc. thank you
for your creative efforts. Please continue, there are many of us who
subscribe purely to read your work.

Happy Holidays to all.

-- 

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Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative,rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: rsr4936@cc.utah.edu (Reay, Robert S.)
Subject: Re: Star Trek Universe and Enterprise crew
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 21 Dec 1992 15:44 MST  

In article <1992Dec21.165333.9701@ils.nwu.edu>, dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) writes...
{ 
{ 
{Question to all:
{ 
{   We were wondering... if Star Trek is set in the 25th century and there
{is implied global peace, why is this not reflected in the ethnic distribution
{of the Enterprise crew? Yes, they do have minorities but the crew
{is predominantly white and the earth is not.  This inquiry extends to the
{alien/Caucasian distribution of the Enterprise universe.  We realize
{that attempts have been made to introduce non-cauc type life forms to the
{idealistic make up of the universe but these are few and far between.
{ 
Not only is this a problem, but also if inter-cultural/racial marriages are 
so bloody common (O'Brian/Keiko for example, not to mention inter-species 
marriages) then there would be no more colors!  People after 4 or 5 
centuries of intermarrying would incorporate all distinguishing racial 
features until all people looked the same, because they would all have 
ancestors from all colors and cultures.

However, the answer to your question is glaringly obvious:  It's a show, 
and if the producers tried to "get the balance perfect" or whatever, nobody 
would watch it.  Humans are still incredibly racist, I'm sure you can look 
around even Illinois and see evidence of this. :)

				rob


Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative,rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: petitc@nuge111.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: Star Trek Universe and Enterprise crew
Keywords: ethnic 
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:46:34 GMT

gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:

>	But most casting directors are white. And they don't seem to get it
>through their pointed little heads that you CAN use a non-white actor
>in a part that DOESN'T specifically say "black", "Asian", "Hispanic", etc.

 Come, come, come.  It's not right to say that directors have pointed heads.

 The points you see are from the tops of their sheets, guys.


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From: adculha@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Andrew Culhane)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Star Trek Universe and Enterprise crew
Keywords: ethnic
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:52:19 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

>>In article <1992Dec21.165333.9701@ils.nwu.edu>, dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald 
>>Bora) writes:
>>>they do have minorities but the crew is predominantly white and the earth is 
>>> not

[ other stuff deleted ]

By now this is probably an old observation, but here goes ...

In addition to this factoid noted above, is it just me or does it seem that
while the starship crews are predominantly male, *most* of the admirals are
women?

Sounds like: "we want to show women in a position of equality, except we
can't figure out how to do that with the regulars, so all the strong women
will be walk-ons."

Yeah, I know, it's probably in the FAQ.
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative,rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Star Trek Universe and Enterprise crew
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 05:02:29 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <d#s2rzh@rpi.edu> petitc@nuge104.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:
>dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) writes:
>[ Question about how few non-whites are seen on the E. deleted ]
>>This is a serious inquiry not intended to star a flame war, we are merely
>>curious.  Is it perhaps restricted by the availability of non-white actors?
>
> Now wouldn't THAT be ironic.  If problems in THIS world prevented us from
>showing an ideal IMAGINARY world.  :&P

As a curious side-note, I'll paraphrase a question and answer
asked of an old computer magazine in the early 1980s (It was A+
magazine, for those who care.)

"Why is person shown using the computer on the manual for
Appleworks a caucasian male?"

The magazine's reply was essentially:

"What would you prefer in counterpoint? To appeal to all users,
we would need to show a caucasian, african, hispanic, native
american, and asian together. Further, both a man and a woman of
each culture must be represented. And to avoid further
discrimination, one handicapped, and one non-handicapped user,
for a total of twenty-four people gathered around the machine,
all an equal distance from the camera. The fact is that the vast
majority of the users of the program are, indeed, caucasian
males. And the fact that the person chosen to be photographed may
simply represent a random selection from the pool of available
models."

Its an age-old argument. If you pick someone randomly, you will
more often than not pick a member of the majority, and be
criticized for that. If you _intentionally_ pick a minority member,
you are guilty of reverse-descrimination, though in many
occasions this selection is thought of as a catalyst so that in
the future, it will not be necessary. The jury is still out, tho,
on whether that is a working policy or not.

Oddly enough, the first example that came to mind was Nichelle
Nichols portrayal of Uhura (chosen because of her ancestry)
influencing a young Whoopie Goldberg (aka Guinan) to become an
actor.

It works both ways.

Joshua
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Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative,rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Star Trek Universe and Enterprise crew
Keywords: ethnic 
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:57:34 GMT

In article <z6s2+2_@rpi.edu> petitc@nuge111.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:
>gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>
>>	But most casting directors are white. And they don't seem to get it
>>through their pointed little heads that you CAN use a non-white actor
>>in a part that DOESN'T specifically say "black", "Asian", "Hispanic", etc.
>
> Come, come, come.  It's not right to say that directors have pointed heads.
>
> The points you see are from the tops of their sheets, guys.

Naw, they cast non-white actors in other parts, as long as her
breasts are sufficiently large...
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From: jfy@cis.ksu.edu (Joseph F. Young)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Star Trek story archive (weekly FAQ -- automated posting)
Followup-To: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 3 Jan 1993 11:58:59 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: depot.cis.ksu.edu
Summary: Description of archive of ST stories and how to access it
Keywords: Stories, FTP, Mail Server, ST, TNG

Last updated: 18 Dec 92

------------------------------FTP--------------------------------------
I've seen many inquiries about an anonymous ftp archive for the
stories that appear in alt.startrek.creative.  As others have
mentioned, I maintain an archive on ftp.cis.ksu.edu (129.130.10.80) in
the directory /pub/alt.startrek.creative.  All files are compressed using
the ZIP format, used by INFO-ZIP's "zip" and "unzip" and PK-WARE's "pkzip"
and "pkunzip" programs, among others.
Programs, both in binary and source form, to handle this format are available
on other archive sites.
If you cannot find a program to handle ZIP files, use the
archive mail server described below.

If you find a story that I've missed, especially any of the ones that
appeared early in the life of this group or in the rec.arts.startrek.*
groups, mail it to me (jfy@cis.ksu.edu) or upload it to /pub/upload on
the archive site.

If you have any contributions to the archive, suggestions, etc. you
may also email them to me.

-----------------------------Mail--------------------------------------
For all those unfortunates who don't have Internet ftp access, I've
setup a mailserver to provide access to the archives on
ftp.cis.ksu.edu.

This mailserver can be contacted via mail one of the following
addresses:

...!rutgers!depot!mailserver  (UUCP)
mailserver@cis.ksu.edu        (Internet)

The server accepts commands given in the body of the mail messages;
help is available with the command "help".  

A listing of the files in
the story archive may be obtained by "dir -l /pub/alt.startrek.creative".

Since the story archive consists of ZIP files, they must
be uuencoded before they are sent on their way.  To specify this mode,
use the command "encode uuencode"  To retrieve the files, use the
"send" command (ex:  send /pub/alt.startrek.creative/story/tng/TheMoralsOfWar.zip

If you have a system which cannot handle ZIP files, you may use
the "unzip" filter ("encode unzip") 
which will send you the uncompressed (but not uuencoded) version of the file.

Here is an example mail message:

% Mail mailserver@cis.ksu.edu
Subject: request 
help
encode uue     
send /pub/alt.startrek.creative/story/tng/TheMoralsOfWar.zip
^D
%

Please note that this is completely experimental and is not bug free.
Questions and problems about this mailserver may be directed to
"mailserver-reply@cis.ksu.edu".



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Newsgroups: alt.personals,alt.personals.ads
From: ap.7286@cupid.sai.com
Subject: SWM looking for lady surfer or trainee.
Followup-To: alt.personals
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Reply-To: ap.7286@cupid.sai.com
Organization: EZ-Intro Contact Service
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 22:25:31 GMT
X-Iso: SF

S*F who is interested in surfing. While this is not my only interest, 
I am looking for someone who might like to be a companion/participant
in the adventures of life with a 55 yrs old surfer, skier, sailor of
small amd medium sail boats, rock climber and computer nerd. Am in 
my second career and also possibly my first childhood.
	I welcome all replies.  In any case Happy New Year to all 
who read this.


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From: mcsweinberg@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.personals
Subject: Re: Rai's Return
Date: 23 Dec 92 01:00:14 -0600
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <19921221083444ASDXPLR@MVS.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU>, Preston <ASDXPLR@MVS.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU> writes:
> Lets see.....four poster bed.
> you and your friend. ---  Nah, I'm way to selfish.
> leather straps.    --- I like silk and satin ties.
> strawberry jam.      ---make it grape.
> whip cream.      --- You remember how sweet!!!
> oh...and don't forget the cherries!
______________________________________________________________________________

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same."   Sophie B. Hawkins
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> preston
From: an1611@anon.penet.fi (Etheras)
Newsgroups: alt.personals
Subject: Seasons Greetings
Date: 24 Dec 92 21:31:29 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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   Wishing you all, every happinesss at this Wonderful 
   time of year. Merry Cristmas and a very happy 1993.

    - Etheras.
 
 

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From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: alt.personals
Subject: Re: Rutgers F Republican seeking same in M
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:31:05 GMT
Followup-To: alt.personals

In article <1992Dec20.230821.24562@emr1.emr.ca>, gairns@ccrs.emr.ca (Jamie
Gairns) wrote:
> 
> >>Red Hair, Hazel Eyes, The building tilts to the right when I enter 
> >>(and not because Im huge, but because im a damn proud Republican!)
> 							^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> 	Perhaps the building tilts because of your Goose-Stepping!
> 	Zieg Heil you mindless TWIT!

What's the matter? do you consider that everyone who disagrees with you is
mindless?  You sanctimonious, hypocritical ass!  You commie bastards are
all alike; you think that Marx is the be-all and end-all.  Well, your
precious soviet empire has fallen into ruins; wake up and see the light,
bigot!

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From: bleys@wisdom.bubble.org (Bill Cavanaugh)
Newsgroups: alt.personals
Subject: Merry Christmas!!!!
Date: 25 Dec 92 18:11:17 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises, Inc.


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From: vdvyver@cuvee.bro.dec.com (Luc Van de Vyver (local))
Newsgroups: alt.personals
Subject: Looking for ski-weekend guide
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:07:08 GMT
Reply-To: vdvyver@cuvee.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



Hi,

My name is Luc, 35y male, living in Belgium (Europe, remember?).
End of Januari I'll be in the Boston area (Nashua) and have a
spare weekend.

I would like to spend the weekend on ski-slopes, and therefor I'm looking
for information/guide/roommate to join me for a fun weekend on the White
Mountains(?)

Any takers?

Luc
     
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Newsgroups: alt.personals,alt.personals.ads
From: ap.6190@cupid.sai.com
Subject: SM ISO S*F in Northwest OHIO
Followup-To: alt.personals
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Organization: EZ-Intro Contact Service
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 15:34:19 GMT
X-Iso: SF

Hello netters, 

 I am a single Professional (part time student) 27 year old, Male, never been 
married. Living in Northwest Ohio. Looking for a S*F for long term 
relationship. If any S*F are seriously interested, please drop me a note.

Thank you,
:-)

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Newsgroups: alt.personals
From: rossi@mtu.edu (Rossi)
Subject: Re: Princess seeks Prince
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:43:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.060314.2024@mtu.edu> bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.214725.4688@lemuria.sai.com> ap.6575@cupid.sai.com writes:
>>
>>                      Princess seeks Prince
>>I am looking for a SINGLE, WHITE MALE, 28-33 years of age, long or short hair
>
>ah, to be but three years older...

   Nah!  It ain't worth it.  This was one I passed up.  After all
I'm not interested in a mere princess. ;)

>*sigh*

   Don't take it so badly guy.

>too bad. her loss I suppose. :)

   Ah now you're talkin!  Chin up!

>-bacon

   songbird
Newsgroups: alt.personals
From: petitc@nuge111.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: Is this a joke?!
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:09:34 GMT

tyger@netcom.com (Kristen Kohlbecker) writes:

>petitc@vccnw04.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:
>>pamaga@biobase.aau.dk (Paulo Magalhaes) writes:
>>
>>>Why don't you try spending less time over the keyboard and
>>>a bit more with nice, _real_ people ? It's much more fun
>>>and the chance that you'll _really_ end up with a dream in
>>>your arms is much, MUCH, higher...
>>
>>  As for where I am---most of the girls here---well, they're GIRLS, and I'm
>>looking for charming WOMEN.  To me, a Woman (tm) is someone who:
>>
>> (1) Isn't afraid to tell me what she's feeling, even if it might upset me,
>> (2) Is versitile,
>> (3) Is passionate and a true romantic.
>>
>>  Seems I'll be waiting a long time.  Oh well.

>Take heart! The One For You is probably just around the corner! :)

 Oh? Could you please tell me WHICH corner? ;&)


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From: zelek@remus.rutgers.edu (Grey Wolf)
Newsgroups: alt.personals
Subject: Re: Rutgers F Republican seeking same in M
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:28:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University

gairns@ccrs.emr.ca (Jamie Gairns) writes:

>>>Red Hair, Hazel Eyes, The building tilts to the right when I enter 
>>>(and not because Im huge, but because im a damn proud Republican!)
>							^^^^^^^^^^

>	Perhaps the building tilts because of your Goose-Stepping!
>	Zieg Heil you mindless TWIT!


   Ah yes, now there's a logical, sound, _mature_ viewpoint and argument.
I'm so impressed, James.


Chris [zelek@aramis.rutgers.edu]
Newsgroups: alt.personals