HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle)
Subject: Re: Interesting Revelation (WAS Re: Libertarian Platform)
Reply-To: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com
In-reply-to: kane@buast7.bu.edu's message of 24 Jul 92 15:27:35 GMT
Organization: You wouldn't ask this if you'd seen my desk.
	<91825@bu.edu>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 07:33:54 GMT

In article <91825@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
> Followup-To: talk.politics.misc

> Democrats: morality arises from the necessity of promoting the common good
> of the people, and protecting the primacy of individual rights over group
> rights.

These assertions are mutually contradictory.  The second
one belongs under some other party.  Please show in what 
way the Democratic Party "protects the primacy of individual
rights" without distorting individual rights into entitlements.
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slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com                       Sunnyvale, CA   94088
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From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Which of you is 'good enough' ?
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:41:26 GMT

In article <lzfmyk.crisp@netcom.com> crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:

>In article <1992Jul22.004331.15705@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>>I wrote:
>>
>>>Hell, girl, my history couldn't survive the scrutiny required to teach
>>>high-school in most states.  Nothing _I'm_ ashamed of, but not good PR
>>>material in this year of "family values."
>>
>>P.S. -- This is why I'm voting for Clinton.  I consider George Bush's
>>stance on gay rights, and human/civil rights generally, to be immoral.


>Others like me consider homosexuality to be immoral, illegal and 
>disgusting. I believe the majority of Americans agree with me.

I think that most people consider sexual preference none of their business.
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.men,soc.women,alt.censorship,misc.legal
From: matt@physics.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: SuperCollider: "For" or "Against" -- Tell the Committee  @ tele...
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:14:50
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: B645ZAW@UTARLG.UTA.EDU's message of 23 Jul 92 19:22:00 GMT

In article <01GMPYXLP9GW001CAQ@utarlg.uta.edu> B645ZAW@UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Stephen Tice) writes:

> Also from the DMN p. 19A "SSC funds get boost from panel" :
> 
> 	  The projects total cost is $8.25 billion in current
> 	dollars, not accounting for inflation. Of that, the
> 	federal government is expected to pay about $5.5 billion,
> 	with foreign countries and the state of Texas contri-
> 	buting the rest....

This is a mistake.  The $8.25 billion figure does include estimated
inflation.  ("Estimated," of course, because nobody knows what the
inflation rate will be during the next decade.) In constant 1991
dollars, the cost is less; $4 billion, I think, but I don't remember
the exact number.
--
Matthew Austern              I dreamt I was being followed by a roving band of
(510) 644-2618               of young Republicans, all wearing the same suit,
matt@physics.berkeley.edu    taunting me and shouting, "Politically correct
austern@theorm.lbl.gov       multiculturist scum!"... They were going to make
austern@lbl.bitnet	     me kiss Jesse Helms's picture when I woke up.
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From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: = SSZ = (The Strategy of the Status Quo)
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:04:40 GMT

With Mr Tice's history of believing literaly everything he sees in
print, perhaps he would be good enough to state if he was aware that the
account refered to was fiction?


Phill Hallam-Baker
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: ldong@hila.hut.fi (Liyun Dong)
Subject: Re: Another way to calculate economic strength
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 07:55:01 GMT

>GDP Per Capita in Purchasing Power is a better measure of prople's living
>standard of a country, but not a good measure of economic strength. The fact
>that China cannot upvalue the RMB is an indicator of weakness --- the demand
>of foreign goods and service in China is very high because of their quality.
>Thus even China's foreign exchange reserve is approaching $50 billion, the
>RMB is still falling on swap market.

Sometimes confidence in the RMB is also as important as the suply-and-demand.
The Chinese Government is using 'fine-turning', trying to devalue RMB gradually
to the rate in swap market. This has been proved unsuccessful: Whatever the 
official rate is, market rate is always keeping a small distance from it.
The best way to solve it is to make RMB convertable overnight someday. 
Initially there may be some heavy devaluation, but finally the rate will 
converge to the reasonable value. Backed by $40 billion strong reserve and an
economy bigger than many EEC countries or Hongkong, the potential danger is
much less than the potential gains. The biggest loser may be USA, because
a new convertable currency entering the world money market means the further
shrinking of the Dollar's share of the world money market, which has already
been declining for decades.






Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: luh@NAS.NASA.GOV (Raymond C. Luh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Vice President of Oregon State U. Lobbying for Chinese
              Immigration
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:09:03 GMT
Reply-To: "Raymond C. Luh" <luh@NAS.NASA.GOV>
Organization: Indiana University
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

>Zhongkai Xu
>Vice President
>Oregon State University

Is Vice President Xu speaking for the President of OSU? :-)


Ray
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From: "G. CHANG" <lmchang@vms1.engr.utk.edu>
Subject: China's steel production, Re: Another way to calculate ...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:32:00 EST

While China's steel production has been increasing rapidly, that of the U.S.
is stagnating because of market saturation. It is more appropriate to use the
most recent data, not difficult to find, in comparison.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
        Raw steel production for the first half of 1992

China   38.55 million tons (China Daily, 7/3/92)

U.S.    46.6  million tons (based on Wall Street Journal, 7/7/92,
                            original data: 47.578 mn tons this year to 7/4
                                            1.717 mn tons the week to 7/4)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thus it may be acceptable to say that China's steel production is close to
that of the U.S. But it is still way below the world No. 1, Japan, with
production over 100 mn tons/year.


Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: yangy@ils.unc.edu (Yanqiu Yang)
Subject: Re: 99% will support Taiwan Independence
Summary: Who are the 99%?
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:22:42 GMT

> >Lin Rong-San, a member of KMT Central Standing Committee and the 
> >vice-chairperson of Control Yuan, once said that as long as there
> >is no military threat from China, 99% of Taiwanese will favor 
> >independence.
	This is naive and unrealistic thinking, useless reasoning. No
matter who is in control of mainland, be it communist or democratic,
he will not tolerate the independence of Taiwan. Unless there is a weak
and impotent central government, and the indenpence of serveral regions
due to internal turmoil like Yugoslavia, Taiwan can not achieve
independence, even 150% people support independence. If you count on
international intervention to achieve the goal, you are deadly wrong.
Look at Yugoslavia. U.S. and West can do little about it, and are not
interested in it. When it comes to a much powerful China with nuclear
muscle, you know what can happen.

	I believe in the peaceful unification. Perhaps many of you do
not like the word. I know Taiwan will benefit a lot from independence.
Unfortunately, history has tied us together across the strait. To breaking
apart is not a one-sided decision and action, like lovers. You may hate
logic like this, you may not get away with it. The best way is keep
status quo, do not try to rush thing up to stimulate PRC, which is a
very nearsighted thing to do. 

	If you insist on the independence of Taiwan, you'd better be
patient and wait for the occasion to come. The disintegration of China
will give you an opportunity, just like the demise of Ching Dynasty
gave birth to Independent Mongolia (In fact, 25% independent, because
no Russia support, no Mongolia). I am neither pro nor anti-Taiwan-
independent, I am an opportunist.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      typo
Reply-To: HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:56:00 EDT

 Dear David Yuan:

      Hehe, is it a typo or a tactics? You are confused by yourself, aren't
you?  I face whatever come to me.

Kai Hwang
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      :)
Reply-To: HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:00:00 EDT

Dear Eddie Cheng:

     Sorry, nobody can enlight you because you are too dumb.

K.H.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Shi Jin <jins@CIMS.NYU.EDU>
Subject:      Re:  IFCSS HQ Special Report: IFCSS To Provide Long Distance
              Phone Service
Reply-To: Shi Jin <jins@CIMS.NYU.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:22:59 -0400
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu, ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU

sign-off council
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Re: anonymous personal attack posted by lix
Reply-To: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:09:00 EDT

I, Dawei Zhou, a Ph.D of Physics, state that I never attended any events that
the anonymous personal attack charged to me for torturing innocent scholas at
Qinghua univ. during CR. I reserve the legal right for such attack. Dawei Zhou
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: George Zhu <zhu@RISKY.ECS.UMASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re:  IFCSS: BRIEF REPORT ON IMMIGRATION AND MFN BILLS
Reply-To: George Zhu <zhu@RISKY.ECS.UMASS.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:23:38 -0400
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Zhang Yun Fei kindly pointed out:

>I notice Geng Xiao and He Boping are still calling themselves president-elect
>and vise president-elect. Hope there is no confusion this time. (^_^)

Thanks for your clarification.  That's what I thought too.  Only that
a few official documents from the IFCSS HQ such as the following made
me start to wonder. :-)   Wish there has been no confusion any time. :-)

George

Disclaimer: I have no objection whatsoever to how many individuals
calling themselves "President" in the same time.
:-)
___________________________________________________________________________

From: ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU (IFCSS HQ)
Subject: IFCSS HQ Special Report 4005: "Thank You" Card Sent to Minnesota
Date: 17 Jul 92 23:01:25 GMT


******************************************************************
   IFCSS Headquarters Special Report No. 4005   July 17, 1992
             "THANT YOU" CARD SENT TO MINNESOTA"
******************************************************************
  Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
     733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
            Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                   Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu


                  "Thank You" Cards Sent to Minnesota
                  ===================================

Dear IFCSS Members:

      The success of the 4th IFCSS Congress, which took place at
the University of Minnesoda last month, was due largely to the
enoumous amount of time and energy put into the Congress by the
Chinese students and scholars at the University of Minnesota.
The Congress and the delegates had expressed their appreciation
in various forms.

      Recently, the HQ has sent "thank you" cards signed by
President Gang Xiao and Vice-president He Baoping to each members
of the 4th Congress Task Force and the Secretariat at the University
of Minnesota who had worked round-the-clock during the Congress.

      The HQ is also planning to send "thank you" messages to all
the delegates who had attended the Congress, when the delegate list
is received by the HQ.

      There are numerous people who have worked for the Congress but
did not leave their names. The HQ wishes to say "thank you" to them,
too.

      Thank you for your attention.



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         IFCSS Headquarters Office    Signature
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      IFCSS HQ Special Report 4018: Protection-Bill Working Net
Reply-To: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:14:41 -0400
Comments: To: ccnl@utarlvm1.uta.edu, cgsa@fuzzy.umd.edu,
              china-news-post@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              cnd-us@library.uta.edu, osu.chinese@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu,
              soc-culture-china@ucbvax.berkeley.edu,
              soc-rights-human@ucbvax.berkeley.edu

**************************************************************
IFCSS Headquarters Special Report No. 4018       July 29, 1992
           PROTECTION BILL WORKING NET SET
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu


             Protection Bill Working Net Set
             ===============================

Dear IFCSS members:

     The IFCSS HQ has set up an email network exclusively
for exchanging information on the 1992 Chinese student
protection bill and for coordinating the ongoing nation-
wide activities in support of the legislation.

     To join the network, please send names, school and
addresses to:

     lobby-request@library.uta.edu

     Mr. Ding Jian will be the manager of the net.

     Please note: This net is an IFCSS special working
net which should be used exclusively for supporting
the protection bill. Irrelevant messages should be
sent to other regular networks such as China-net and
SCC, etc.

     IFCSS official announcements regarding the protection
bill will still be posted in regular networks for a
certain period, but gradually they will be limited to
the lobby-net only in order to help cut down the flow
of emails. Important announcements regarding the bill
will be posted in regular net under the form of HQ
Special Report, and summaries of the progress and
activities on the bill will be included in the Biweekly
Report in order to keep the general CSS community
informed.

     Other HQ reports will continue to use China-net as
the major carrier.

     The lobby-net has now more than 300 subscribers.
Mr. Ding Jian has made a big contribution to the lobby
efforts by establishing and running the net.

     Thanks for your attention.

***************************************************************
         IFCSS Headquarters Office    Signature
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: JU_YIF@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject:      BITNET <> INTERNET
Reply-To: JU_YIF@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:14:07 -0400
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Dear Netters,
	Does anybody know how to use TALK command (Local Internet) to access
or link to foreign node (BITNET ONLY, NO ACCESS TO INTERNET). Basically, My
question is how to chat between INTERNET AND BITNET. I will appreciate if
someone give the answer.

Please contact

Yifei JU (Cental Connecticut State University)

JU_YIF@ccsua.ctstate.edu
Thanks.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Zuofeng Li <zuofeng@POLLUX.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      Appeal to SVC ( Was: Re: The Fourth Term IFCSS Council News
              Release CN4003)
Reply-To: Zuofeng Li <zuofeng@POLLUX.WUSTL.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:13:28 -0500
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

With the understanding that IFCSS activists are busy lobbying the
protection bill, I however would like to call your attention to one
of the bills that our Council has passed. The bill in question
is the communication expense reimbursement, CR4006, which makes
council members entitled to an automatic monthly $20 pay to cover
possible communication expenses, and allows them to receive
reimbursement for their expenses over the $20 allocation. What it
doesn't say is what happens when the council members do not spend
the $20 every month.

Sorry but I can't help comparing this bill to the U.S. congress
bill that raised congressmen's salaries.

At least on one point our IFCSS Council is doing worse than the
U.S. Congress: the congress bill was widely publicized before it
was passed. The Council bill was never seen on China-Net before its
voting, or in the Midwest Net which I belong to, even though  one
of the initiators is "my" council member.

This casts a sharp contrast to the practice of the last year's
IFCSS Council. Furthermore it underlines the Council's possible
violation of the IFCSS Constitution which requires the Council to
make announcements on its pending conferences.

I appeal to the SVC to provide an answer to the non-announcement
question of the Council's first e_mail conference and to rule on
the legality of the results of the conference.

Zuofeng Li
Washington University School of Medicine
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re:  council email conference
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:15:32 GMT
Organization: Physics Dept, State U of New York at Buffalo, Buffalo, NY 14260

/* From the keyboard of Zuofeng Li <zuofeng@POLLUX.WUSTL.EDU> */:
:
:If your line of reasoning here that everyone can go read the council net
:holds, then why are the RESULTS of the conference sent to China-Net but
:not the ANNOUNCEMENT of the conference?

Both council net and china net are public, so posting to any of them is
a notification to public. 

If your line of reasoning here that everyone can go read the China Net
holds, then why was the ANNOUNCEMENT of the conference sent to council
net ? 

BTW, Eddie Cheng is found guilty for failing to report to China Net what
is happening on council net. 

-- 
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From: Zhang Yun Fei <zhang@BUAST7.BU.EDU>
Subject:      Re:  ?
Reply-To: Zhang Yun Fei <zhang@BUAST7.BU.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:06:29 -0400
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

A very good question, indeed.

BTW, if you stayed on the net long enough, you should have found these noises
are usually originated from a few dear CSS fellows, who believe they are always
right and who believed that most CSS think as they think.
Furthermore, you may already have discovered that those noises usually
surfaced in a concentrated manner in the time domain, which usually is
an indication of coordinated efforts though I never believed so and
those dear CSS fellow never acknowledged so:-).

On a separate notice, welcome, dear Mr. Raymond Luh. However,
after you skillfully played at a new netter, who is familiar with the net norm,
please be careful not to import your SCC skill to this net.

Yun Fei Zhang
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> From:         "NY." <yue@MOHLSUN.PHYSICS.UPENN.EDU>
> Subject:      ?
> Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu
> To:           Multiple recipients of list CHINA-NT <CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu>
>
>     I don't understand one thing:
>         Why are there so many noises surfacing when someone steps
> forward and likes to serve for the CSS? Why is it so quiet when noone
> likes to do anything?
>    Is it true that some people just don't feel comfortable to see the
> CSS have a better(good ) future?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      second question to the new elected IFCSS president
Reply-To: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 12:53:00 EDT

Since 1989, I as a CSS, know Zhao Haiqing and many others did a lot of work
for CSS, this includes Huang yuan-geng, why you, the new elected president
can not support their roles in the lobby now and in the future? Why? dawei Zhou
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      IFCSS HQ Special Report 4012: Where to Get Information on IFCSS
              Insurance
Reply-To: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:01:41 -0400
Comments: To: china-news-post@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              cnd-us@library.uta.edu, osu.chinese@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu,
              soc-culture-china@ucbvax.berkeley.edu,
              soc-rights-human@ucbvax.berkeley.edu

**************************************************************
IFCSS Headquarters Special Report No. 4012       July 25, 1992
      WHERE TO GET INFORMATION ON IFCSS INSURANCE PROGRAM
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu


     Where to Get Information on IFCSS Insurance Program
     ===================================================

Dear IFCSS Members:

     Recently, many people have contacted the IFCSS HQ asking
for information on the IFCSS Insurance program underwritten
by the International Group Services (IGS). This indicates
that there has been a growing interest in this insurance
program offered by the Committee on Student Service of IFCSS.

     There is a toll-free telephone number for interested
persons to contact. Please call

     Mr. Andrew L. Colbert (sales and promotion Department, IGS)
                   at
              1-800-336-3310.
     and ask for information brochures on the IFCSS program.

     The telephone number of IGS (International Group Service)
is 1-800-327-6438.

     If there are any complaints about the service, please
contact the Company (IGS) as well as IFCSS HQ so that the
HQ and the Student Service Committee will make sure
that qestions or problems are satisfatorily resolved.

     (Please note: the IFCSS Insurance program is open to
all Chinese students and scholars (Mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong
etc.) in the United States.

     Thanks for your attention.

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         IFCSS Headquarters Office    Signature
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