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Nf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!pauls    Apr 13 11:24:00 1992


Just curious on opinions of the best BBS for Roland Sound Canvas .MID, .WRK
and/or .MTP files.

Any suggestions??
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: midi under windows 3.
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:44:25 GMT
	<1992Apr14.235115.2667@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
Organization: Friends of the Salter Duck
In-reply-to: aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 14 Apr 92 23:51:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.235115.2667@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller) writes:

   Becuase of the HUGE installed base of Win3.x compatible computers and coperate
   America's use of 386 class machines...

Well, since I'm nowhere near Corporate America that isn't directly relevant;
why is the huge installed base (as opposed to, say, the Mac's installed
base of 6,000,000) important for my purposes?

   Give it time. Win3.1 just hit the streets. 

How much time? (Rothwell's law, Metlay's corollary.)

Nick.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,nj.forsale,princeton.forsale
Subject: Emax--- must sacrifice!
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:21:23 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth,nj.forsale,princeton.forsale,alt.music.alternative
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From: kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Alesis ADAT and BRC
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:18:32 GMT
Reply-To: kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <SYNTH-L%92041413422919@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> DUNN@INTELLICORP.COM (more dark than shark) writes:
>oops, an addendum!
>the DemoBot mumbled somthing about Opcode doing
>development...as well as MOTU...as well as JB Cooper.
>
>their Fiber-Optic link to other ADATs and to the BRC is
>a 8track format; patent pending. existing optic links
>are 2track. the box has both EIAJ and this proprietary
>multichannel connectors.  AES/EBU and SPDIF optional.
>
>balanced inputs are avail via a funky Elco multipin dohickie.

The Elco connector is a bit funky.  THe reasoning is that you might have
a studio full of these things and using a single connector to a mixing
board might be nice.  Also they didn't have enough room on the back of
the unit to put 8 1/4" inputs, 8 1/4" outputs, 8 input XLR and 8 output
XLR connectors.  I like the unit.  I plan to buy a couple when I get some
more cash.

>
>there are (sftware) developers kits available; Alesis
>is 'comitted' to an open arch.
>
>the only problem I saw is that you'll need two to make backups.
>awww. unless you drop down to 2-track (DAT) format. then, however, you
>would lose that hot hot hot sync track.
How many people have 2 analog 8 track machines to make backups?
I don't see any real difference.

Also if you backup to DAT you can always re-synch SMPTE by using a start
offset at the sequencer.  I do it from time to time.  Not a problem.
you adjust the start delay time until the feel is correct.  If it is
even slightly ahead or behind you can tell.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers
From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Subject: Re: Usenet Tape depression sets in.
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 23:02:28 GMT


In article <1992Apr8.175259.15456@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, bgood@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov () writes:
|> In article <1992Apr8.133056.6797@icd.ab.com> jaz@icd.ab.com (Jack A. Zucker) writes:
|> 
|> >Engineers make lots of money (Present
|> >company excluded of course). They usually have lots of toys. This does
|> >not mean that they can make better music necessarily.
|> 
|> I suspect a slight inverse correlation.  It's all too easy to get caught
|> up in the attitude that an ever-growing pile of gear can be a substitute
|> for knowing what you're doing musically, e.g. "Yeah, I know, the song 
|> sucks, but if I could *just*  play it on a *K2000* I'd be a star!"  If
|> you spend enough time buying equipment and learning to use it at the
|> expense of rotten, boring, monotonous practicing, your music *will*
|> suffer.

On the other hand, it's important to realize that having expensive
equipment doesn't necessarily mean that someone makes worse music.
Saying so is just sour grapes.

In these discussions, we always hear about people who have $30K home
studios and make lousy music, and people who make great music with
inexpensive instruments.  On the other hand, there are people who make
lousy music with cheap instruments and great music with expensive
instruments.

In my opinion, better quality equipment can people make better music in
the long run.  It doesn't instantly make you a better musician, but it
can improve your level of interest so that you play and practice more.
It can reduce the amount of time you spend getting the equipment to
sound the way you want, so you can spend that time getting an extra
take.  It can improve your confidence level ("Hey! I sound *good*!"),
which can reduce your inhibitions and get that level of interest up.

Equipment is important.  It isn't the only thing, and it doesn't create
instant genius, but it is important.

--
...David Elliott
...dce@smsc.sony.com | ...!{uunet,mips}!sonyusa!dce
...(408)944-4073
..."Nobody believes a laughing person." -- Farkle
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Subject: Re:      Re: Usenet tape depression sets in
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 20:29:08 GMT


In article <723.9204091540@orsun.dcs.leeds.ac.uk>,         The Brown Bottle <ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK> writes:
|> After reading a number of letters on the subject of "should I have sent
|> something in to the Usenet tape if it's not polished and professional"...
|> 
|> Here's a good quote:
|> 
|> "The amateur is perhaps the only free agent in our musical culture"
|> 
|> 				- Sergius Kagen.

Really!

If I only sent in polished an professional pieces, you folks would never
know the fear of the little girl getting spanked for not going to sleep,
the fun of surfing the waves with Porgy, or the additional things to do
with Green Eggs and Ham.

I hope that the Usenet tape never deteriorates into something slick and
(to steal from Derek Smalls) "jizless".

--
...David Elliott
...dce@smsc.sony.com | ...!{uunet,mips}!sonyusa!dce
...(408)944-4073
..."Nobody believes a laughing person." -- Farkle
From: david@david.UUCP (David A. Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: MOTU Apparently Now hiring ex Radio Shack Employees for Tech Support
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 16:03:35 EST
Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC
Reply-To: david@david.UUCP ( David A. Roth )
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


I'm on a short deadline so I didn't have time to read the entire life story,
but the subject line did catch my eye.

I'm a full-time professional who makes his living using Macs with MOTU products
such as Performer, Composer, Midi Time Piece & Video Time Piece. 
I decided on getting a Mac years ago just to run Performer.

I know *nothing* technical about the Mac and don't care to which is
why I buy hardware & software.  What I do know is that Apple makes the
Mac and all it's system software and MOTU makes the music products.
 I am informed of bugs and problems with MOTU many times before I
even find them.  They have sent me a number of free updates by express
mail and have *always* answer my questions concerning their products
promptly, especially by fax.  They have even taken my end-user input
into product development considerations.  I spend a good 8-14
hours a day using their products and I wouldn't trade them for a
room full of the Cakewalks, Visions and PCs.

Futher more, as you can see I have better things to do with my time
than call up technical support of companies and try to show them
how damn smart I am.  It just doesn't pay the rent! 

David
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Gear Lust
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:14:20 GMT
	<1992Apr13.004912.4717@sbcs.sunysb.edu> <204842@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
Organization: Friends of the Salter Duck
In-reply-to: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu's message of 13 Apr 92 16:44:43 GMT

In article <204842@unix.cis.pitt.edu> metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay) writes:

>Rothwell's Law: If it exists now and serves your purposes now and you have a
>use for it now, the immediate benefit to your music from using it now is rarely
>outweighed by chewing your fingernails and waiting for the Next Step to come
>along in the hopes that the Next Step will do more for you....

This is probably a corollary; the initial statement of my Law was to
indicate that one's existing equipment doesn't suddenly become
obsolete, restrictive or "bad" in any way by the announcement and
shipping of something new. For example, my MicroWave doesn't suddenly
become an old, useless, restrictive machine because of the wonderful,
impressive Wave keyboard with multimode filtering and all its superb
features.

I think these two statements of the law differ; my statement is
perhaps slightly more subtle; Metlay's is perhaps more important when
it comes to creating music, although (needless) dissatisfaction with
your equipment is not going to help matters here either.

As to what Metlay says about really knowing your gear; my spending
patterns and acquisition rate for new gear tend ideally to be driven
by the rate at which I can get to know the gear I have and integrate it.
I suspect I'll be after something else in about a year's time; I feel
that I have about a year of musical projects and learning to do before
I feel the need to get something new.

If you *dare* clip and quote this at me in three months' time, Metlay,
I'll ...

Nick.
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From: sherman@induce.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: -- Roland U50 --
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:37:19 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <92100.132409ATONI@ESTEC.BITNET>, ATONI@ESTEC.BITNET writes...
>Hi,
>Sorry for my ignorance Mike .. but what is a Roland U-50 ?  never heard of
>and never seen it before !!!

I think he's taking a jab at the D70 naming.  That is, a D70 is really a
U50 as far as its heritage goes.  It doesn't have much to do internally
with a D50 and was most likely the result of a marketing move.  And,
there is evidence that a D70 was originally supposed to be a U50.
I've not cracked mine open, but it is said that some have U50 markings
internally.

Steve
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:7917 comp.music:2408 comp.windows.ms:12525
From: yon@smltlk.enet.dec.com (David A. Yon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music,comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Master Tracks Pro and Windows 3.1 - HELP!
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:44:12 GMT
Reply-To: yon@smltlk.enet.dec.com (David A. Yon)
Followup-To: rec.music.synth,comp.music,comp.windows.ms
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Apr12.003238.7113@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, rhysling@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
(RHYSLING MICHAEL S) writes:
|>I just upgraded to Windows 3.1.  Overall, I'm pretty pleased but I can't
|>get Master Tracks Pro to work anymore.  I get the feeling I need to do
|>something with the Midi Mapper utility in Windows but I'm not sure.
|>
|>The Midi setup menu in Master Tracks Pro changed after I installed 
|>Windows 3.1!  Instead of listing my MQX-32m interface, it showed the
|>Soundblaster and the Midi Mapper as choices but I couldn't get anything
|>to work.
|>
|>Has anyone managed to make these two work together or do I need to call
|>Passport :( ?
|>

Music Quest has drivers uploaded on CompuServe in the MIDIVENDOR forum.
I grabbed them last week and they worked like a champ, with full SMPTE
support!  If anyone has access to ftp, mail me and I can mail you the
driver so that you can upload them to an archive.  (I don't have
outgoing ftp service).

I must say that having MIDI drivers as easily installable as printer
drivers is pretty damn slick.  With a few mouse clicks I'm able to switch
between my MQX port, the SB MIDI port, or the SB FM synth, and with the
MIDI mapper all the voices end up doing something reasonable!  I also did
the following torture test:

1) Started the Media Player on the demo CANYON.MID file, going to the
   MIDI mapper which was sending bytes out Port 2 of my MQX card.
2) Started MasterTracks Pro on one of my own tunes which was mapped to
   Port 1 of my MQX card.

...and it all just worked!  both sequences played simultaneously!  I'm
not sure how useful it was, but it demonstrates the robustness of 
application access to the MIDI ports.  I've also started the Media
Player on a sequence, and then began other tasks (a file download, jump
into Ami Pro, etc), and by and large it kept going without missing a beat.

--
David Yon
yon%smltlk.cbm.dec.com@decwrl.dec.com <--- use this address
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Tounges & Interpretation (was Re: Problems!!!!!)
Summary: Translation (of MY bit anyway)
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:38:36 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

In article <40594@shamash.cdc.com> ats@phoenix.udev.cdc.com (alex t stagg x4718) writes:
>OK, we've heard the tounges. Now who's got the interpretation? 

Ahem.

>|>> Izvinityeh, pozhaluista, no ya dumayu shto etot razgovor ochen' glupui'!
>|>> U nas nyet luchyie temui, kak MIDI ili kotorii K2000 lyche chem Alesis S5?

"Excuse me please, but I think this conversation is pretty stupid! Don't we 
have better topics, like MIDI or whether the K2000 is better than the Alesis
S5?"

>|>> Kazhetsya, shto vo vsyekh stranakh, nasha samaya ogromnaya problema, eto,
>|>> kak vy skazhitye, 'BANDWIDTH'?

"It seems that in all countries, our single greatest problem is, how you say,
'BANDWIDTH'?"

>|>> Bozhe moi. Shto blizhaishchi? Yebraiskii?

"My God. What's next? Hebrew?"

---

I leave the translation of Mr. Robinson's eloquent speech to him, as I think
the power and beauty of his words would be lost on mere English speakers.

Wishing you glub blug dip woot-boof wammie,

I remain, 

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: denio@beno.CSS.GOV (Dennis O'Neill)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Purchasing 5,10,15 minute cassette tapes
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:52:15 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Institute for Obfuscatorial Dynamics

In article <1992Apr3.134922.28117@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>
xxrich@alliant1.lerc.nasa.gov (Rich Rinehart) writes:
> Anyone have any good suppliers and/or comments about purchasing
> "short" or custom length cassette tapes?
> 
> Thanks ahead-of-time,
> -rich

I called several of the local recording studios that advertise in the
local "alternative" and music newspapers, and located one that would 
sell me small quantities of short cassettes.
--
Dennis O'Neill (denio@seismo.css.gov)
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Raise yours hands if ...
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:37:34 GMT
	<NICK.92Apr15123810@campay.ed.ac.uk> <204985@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
Organization: Friends of the Salter Duck
In-reply-to: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu's message of 15 Apr 92 20:39:27 GMT

In article <204985@unix.cis.pitt.edu> metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay) writes:

   No, it isn't. At the moment, it's VAPORWARE. There's no demand for it because
   it doesn't exist.

Er, that's a non-sequitur. The music technology business is *full* of things
in demand which don't exist...

   1. Wolfgang Palm will be as clueless as he was in 1982, try to sell
   them for $6000 a pop, and Waldorf will go the way of PPG;

   2. The price on the street will be manageable, and they'll actually
   sell a few units to folx who regard Minimoogs, even *with* MIDI, as
   too much of a hassle for lugging around; or

   3. Wolfgang Palm will get a *serious* clue, take one look at the S5
   and K2000, and offer plug-in cards for the expansion busses that add
   sample playback and alteration, with a large RAM area and a ROM cache
   of piano and drum sounds, as well as an SMF Type 0 sequencer with
   advanced editing capabilities, basically making the Wave the true
   successor to the WaveTerm.

   Bets?

Combination of 1 and 2. A few of them will sell, and Waldorf will creep
along sustained by sales of MicroWaves and triangular MIDI patchers.

Nick.
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From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Macs, John3 as a heat source (was etc)
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:53:00 GMT


Actually, Eirikur, you are wrong.  I did read the manual (well as much of it
as I could stand to read) and I had known about how to use the zoom box icons
on the windows.  The problem was actually one level deeper.  I never would
have guessed that I would have needed to.  You might correct me if I'm
wrong, but as far as I can remember there is no statement in the manual
(for either the IIci or Performer) which states that if you don't see a
program icon you expect in a folder then you should open the window larger
because the icon you are expecting is being hidden by the window size.  There
still seems to be something strange about this operation.  It seems to me that
an intelligent interface would either place an icon from the most recently
loaded program into a priority position in the folder window (i.e., one which
can be viewed in the current window, as Windows does for many applications),
or it should default (at least temporarily) to a new folder window size.
As with a lot of other stuff Mac users take for granted, this is another place
where the interface could be better (at least more intuitive).

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Foot controller/K4 question
From: ljnelson@amherst.edu
Date: 5 Apr 92 14:27:30 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.

In article <elambert.702244107@qualcom>, elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert) writes:
> Anyone know how/if the K4 effects patches can be changed with
> a midi foot controller (x-11)....

Sorry, out of luck, I think.  There may be some way to do it, but it would
require lots of sysex-intensive thrashing.  Besides, if you're using ROM 1.3
then if you ever *did* get the FX to change, it would not only kill all the
notes you were holding down at the time, but the next effect would kick in with
a high-pitched "beep" that would probably shatter the plastic in the LCD
screen.

LAiRD

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller)
Subject: Re: midi under windows 3.
Reply-To: aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 23:51:15 GMT


In a previous article, nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) says:

>In article <199214.823.16439@dosgate> les.birmingham@canrem.com (les birmingham) writes:
>
>   I believe that
>   Win 3.1 is going to lead a HUGE shift from the Mac to the IBM for Music.
>
>Why?
Becuase of the HUGE installed base of Win3.x compatible computers and coperate
America's use of 386 class machines...

>
>   It's about time, too!
>
>Again, Why?
>
>One of the areas where the Mac wins is the MIDI networking environment
>(MIDI Manager, OMS); does Windows 3.1 have something similar?
>
Give it time. Win3.1 just hit the streets. 

PCH
-- 
Peter C. Haller				|	'If you do what you 
Imagination Processing Systems		|	have always done,
aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 		|	expect what you have
"Are we having fun yet?"		|	always recieved.'
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:7922 comp.music:2410
From: cliffw@sequent.com (Cliff White)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
Subject: Yamaha TX problem -SOLVED
Keywords: THANKS!
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:36:55 GMT
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.


A very big thank you to ALL the TX81Z owners who responded
to my plea.

Having a resource like this net is a truely wonderful thing,
there is no better fix for equipment confusion then
talking to a bunch of other users...sure is nice, when
those 3am panics hit....

thanx again to everyone.



-- 
cliffw

'When the going gets wierd, the wierd turn pro'- HST
From: jmena.wbst102a@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Backing up ADATs
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:24:23 GMT

Would it be possible to back up ADATs (or any other N-track digital format)
onto a DAT (2-tracks) by serializing the track data?  That is, store some info
from track 1, track 2, ..., track N, track 1, track 2, ..., track N.  I realize
that
this would require stopping the master device once in a while to avoid buffer
overflow.

Is this possible?  If it is, then you wouldn't need to buy two ADATs, just one.
<Do you hear something?>  Your master DAT could also be used to backup
the ADAT.  <Tippity tippity toe> Sounds like you could save a lot of
mone<UUNGH...scuffle...scuffle...*thud*>

THIS IS ALESIS POLICE SGT. SMITH.  PLEASE IGNORE THE PREVIOUS MESSAGE.

But seriously folks, would this be possible?

--------
Jim Menard
jmena.wbst102a@xerox.com
#include <horf_horf.h>
From: braithwa@remus.rutgers.edu (Darren Braithwaite)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Finale / Music Prose Fonts
Keywords: scoring, computer software
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:11:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I was considering buying Finale or Music Prose and I was wondering
for an Apple postscript Personal Laserwriter IIs, what type of fonts
would one need to print scores/lead sheets?

I assume there is a way to convert to postscript.  Is the font for
Finale readily available on an Laserwriter or does it need to be 
downloaded, and if it does need to be downloaded, would the printer
be capable of receiving the download and printing?

D. Braithwaite.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth