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From: sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne)
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Organization: Wimsey Information Services
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:46:11 GMT

In article <2fg1Hb16rb@atlantis.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
>In article <H9TkwB1w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson) writes:

>inherently a multi-platform, multi-transport task, providing a common
>routing mechanism for everyone is quite difficult.

>	Assume for a second that every UUCP-only site out there had a
>registered MX.  What sort of other routing concerns are there?

Not too many. And you don't need MX records for all uucp sites. For example 
van-bc, aka wimsey.com forwards mail to about 80 UUCP sites. About a dozen
of those have their own FQDN's with an MX record pointing to wimsey.com. But
the rest just use XXXX.wimsey.com where XXXX is their uucp node name. There
is one MX record for wimsey.com which catches all of these.

For all uucp sites to use FDQN's it is simply necessary for them to make private
arrangements with an Internet site to do forwarding. Or they can be in a sub-domain
of a domain that has arranged forwarding with an Internet site and arrange their
forwarding privately with the site that does exchange mail with the Internet site.

The big difference is that you don't really have to broadcast the details of these
arrangements to the world. Your FDQN simply has to be able to be forwarded on the
Internet to the place that does have the details.

For my local UUCP connections and van-bc users the incidence of .UUCP use or bang
path routing seems to be in decline (at least for other than local sites). Less than 
2% of messages appear to be routed outside of our local mail exchange to a uucp 
site.

-- 
Stuart Lynne <sl@wimsey.com> ......................... UNIX Facsimile Software
Wimsey Information Technologies ................... moderator biz.sco.binaries
uucp login:nuucp passwd:nuucp .................... ftp.wimsey.com:~ftp/ls-lR.Z
PD Software for SCO UNIX .................... ftp.wimsey.com:~ftp/pub/wimseypd
From: phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: The woes of ^Z
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 20:02:30 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

>phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill) writes:
>> Doesn't have anything to do with the filesystem.  The DEFAULT mode to read
>> a file is "TEXT" mode, in which case a ^Z is treated as EOF.

roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
>That sure sounds like filesystem behavior to me.

You had better get out those beginning computer science books again.  A file-
system is how an operating system stores information on disk.  It keeps track
of filenames and their physical location on the hard disk.  The filesystem
doesn't care one bit what data is being stored.

Now, on the other hand... the DOS file access routines by default treat
a ^Z as an EOF.  This has nothing to do with the underlying filesystem.
If you took the DOS access routines, and ran them on a UNIX, OS/2, MAC or
*any* other filesystem, they would still be braindamaged.


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From: ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Helldiver sugestions
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:09:08 GMT
Organization: Mala's Refuge, Montreal, Canada

In <tVSQrA0JBh107h@carlos> carlos@carlos writes:

>A quick workaround is to reply to the message, then while in edit mode use
>the standard windows copy and paste commands to so what you will, then
>abort the reply.. The info you pasted in the clipboard will still be there.

	Aye, I do that now, but that is NOT the best way of doing it, so I
thought I'd suggest it to Rhys, after all, almost every other Windows 
application has a means of copying the contents to the clip board.


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Genie:    M.Lombart1                    |   something witty here,
UUCP:     uunet!proteus!mala!ranfry     |   but could think of nothing
Mala's Refuge (514)748-8070             |   so I won't bother!
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From: mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Anonymous uucp connections
Summary: Need the set-up info
Date: 30 Dec 92 08:54:34 GMT
Organization: Muth Valley Bell  (619/390-SLIC BBS; V32bis)

I want to explore this area of waffle but am a little fuzzy on
the set-up.

I have an account set-up for user:  nuucp

This account does the normal exit #40.  I have the following
permits file:

default     /system=known
            /account=any
            /commands=rnews,rmail
            /download="F:/pub"
            /upload="F:/pub/uploads"
            /time=any

anonymous   /system=any
            /account=anonymous
            /commands=""
            /download="F:/pub"
            /upload="F:/pub/uploads"
            /time=any
            /speed=9600


Will this set-up let any unknown system in?  I'm confused about
this line from the \uucp\permits file:

;  For anonymous UUCP login. Provide a "uucp" account calling uucico with
;  -panonymous -uanonymous to access this permit if you want anon uucp.

How is this portion implemented?

Having called remote.halcyon a few times, this aspect of uucp is
appealing.  Especially when able to use Telebit's uucp spoofing
high-speed.  Long distance costs are minimized while delays are
reduced to nearly zero.

Enquiring (and confused) minds wanna know...

--
     Mike, WB6WUI   //   INET:  mikey@slic.cts.com   //   GEnie: SLIC
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Anonymous UUCP Waffle Connections
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:49:56 GMT

In article <gHgowB1w165w@slic.cts.com> mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley) writes:
|is it necessary to add a line
|similar to the below to the \uucp\systems file?:
|
|anonymous       Never g T3000 toUnix 123-4567 nuucp xxxxxxxx

No.  The Permits file entry is all you need.  UUCICO will create directories
for each host that calls you.  I have several /spool/foo directories that
are for machines that aren't my neighbors; but they at one time called in
for anonymous UUCP.

  Bill
From: jbla@giraffe.in-berlin.de (Johannes Blankenstein)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Trouble With NWREADER
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 22:38:54 MET
Distribution: world               
Organization: Private MS-DOS Site

Hello Chris,

coneill@polarbear.rahul.net (Chris O'Neill) writes:
>
> Hi, gang!
> 
> I'm having BIG problems with NWREADER. I've tried several versions, but 
> all I seem to get out of the thing is a "group entry not found, or no 
> right to read" error message (or something close to that) when I try and 
> enter a newsgroup by pressing [enter] on a newsgroup name.
> 
> I have checked my \waffle\system\usenet file, and have placed a
> "/group=" statement on the line for each newsgroup (just to be sure).
> But, I still haven't had any success getting this thing to work.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated, or Santa's gonna find a blithering maniac 
> (me!) sitting under the Christmas tree when he slides down the chimney!
> ;-)

Are you shure that you use the right command line?
You have to call NWREADER with the following command:

NWREADER <config file> <login name> <group> <access> <first name> <last name>

I got the same message from NWREADER when I deleted the 'access' parameter.

If this doesn't solve your problem please send me your 'NWREADER.CFG'
and your BAT file from where NWREADER is started.

        Hannes

--
Johannes Blankenstein | INET:   jbla@giraffe.in-berlin.de
Berlin                |-------------------------------------------------
Germany               | UUCP:   ...!unido!fub!giraffe.in-berlin.de!jbla
From: coneill@polarbear.rahul.net (Chris O'Neill)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Newsgroup Message Renum Utility
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 23:49:51 CST
Organization: Polar Bear Heaven BBS - Rankin Inlet, NWT

Is there a utility available that will renumber the files in the newsgroup
subdirectories?  I've been looking high and low, but haven't found one yet.

Thanks, in advance, for any help provided.

Chris

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Polar Bear Heaven BBS, Rankin Inlet, NWT | !@#$@^ computer that turned it
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From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Update on Helldiver
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:53:56 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry) writes:

> Actually, OS/2 as is, will NOT run Window 3.1 applications.  Also, it is 
> always better to have an application for the enviroment, than one which 
> the enviroment simulates.

This is true. Just read something in Info World that says the OS/2 2.1
version will run Windows 3.1, and it is in beta testing now with an
announced release date of March '93. Off topic. I'll shut up now.


--
Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
From: dfox@fennec.com (Scott Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: HELL DIVER
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 03:01:07 CST
Reply-To: dfox@fennec.com
Organization: Fennec Information Systems / Orbital Data Haven II

TO EVERYONE THAT WANTS HELLDIVER...!

I have it online. You can call my machine and get it.

================================
512-451-9769

Login as "FTP", and it'll take you right to the files section.

HellDiver (helld107.zip) is in  /pub


---------------------| -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- |----------------------------
Scott Davis          |   will work for food    | dfox@fennec.com
Domain Administrator |   ...and $125,000       | Fennec Information Systems
(512) 451-9769       |        a year!          | Austin, Texas USA
---------------------| -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- |----------------------------
From: ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Better news processor for waffle?
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:58:32 GMT
Organization: Mala's Refuge, Montreal, Canada

In <P0B4VB1w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan) writes:

>> If you're looking for something under MS-Windows, try helldiver.
>> look on halcyon.com under waffle/news.

>Has HellDiver been released, or is it still in beta testing?

>--

	Well, it HellDiver is still being Beta Tested then I can't wait for
the full release.  HellDiver, as is, is a very good system, highly recomended.



-- 
=========================================================================
Internet: Ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca     |   I was going to put
Genie:    M.Lombart1                    |   something witty here,
UUCP:     uunet!proteus!mala!ranfry     |   but could think of nothing
Mala's Refuge (514)748-8070             |   so I won't bother!
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: The woes of ^Z
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 22:22:55 GMT

In article <30Dec92081914@miracle.com> phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill) writes:
>Gee, TWO WHOLE LINES OF CODE!  That was so difficult.

My point was that if you multiply that by the number of times this is
used in code, that's an awful lot of #ifdef MSDOS/#endif's to stick in
just to you can put a ^Z in a file that shouldn't have one anyway.

--Dave
-- 
System Administrator, Population Research Institute    barr@pop.psu.edu
#define ENOTTY          25              /* Not a typewriter */
From: ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Update on Helldiver
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:13:41 GMT
Organization: Mala's Refuge, Montreal, Canada

In <oXGQrA2NBh107h@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US> larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US (Lawrence T. Hardiman) writes:



>So, I do have another question.
>My understanding is that OS/2 will run Windows applications "out of the box".
>If this is the case, then why would anyone want (need) to write 2 platform 
>specific implementations of a FreeWare newsreader for Waffle? 

Actually, OS/2 as is, will NOT run Window 3.1 applications.  Also, it is 
always better to have an application for the enviroment, than one which 
the enviroment simulates.


-- 
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Internet: Ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca     |   I was going to put
Genie:    M.Lombart1                    |   something witty here,
UUCP:     uunet!proteus!mala!ranfry     |   but could think of nothing
Mala's Refuge (514)748-8070             |   so I won't bother!
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
From: puma.uucp!john@becca.rain.com (John Meissen)
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Organization: Rosetta Technologies, Inc
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:12:49 GMT

In article <BzzD0F.2wM@chinet.chi.il.us> les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>Uucp mail doesn't have any concept of "feeds".  There are only neighbors.
>Perhaps you are thinking of news.

You are picking nits here.

My news and mail come over the same transport. My "neighbor" uses UUCP to
"feed" data to me via modem. I could care less if it's news or mail.

Actually, I have many neighbors. Only one is a connection to the outside
world. That is my feed site.

-- 
John Meissen                                  becca!puma!john
Rosetta Technologies, Inc.                    puma!john@becca.rain.com
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From: morpheus <morpheus@entropy.mcds.com>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Offline Readers
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 13:04:44 EST
Organization: No Pity For The Majority!  [private]

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

> You still need Waffle to answer the phone.  UUCICO won't work for
> incoming calls without it.  For outgoing, you don't need waffle.exe.

I wrote a {COMMO} script to answer the phone and simulate the normal answer
sequences (it pretended to be Binkleyterm, in this case, but it could as
easily pretend to be waffle..) and then spawned UUCICO.  I ran this way for
about 48 hours while I was fixing some stuff.


morpheus@entropy.mcds.com ("morph")    |    My life is for itself, and not a
Obsolete diety for hire.  Cheap.       |         spectacle.  - Emerson
From: msp@pos.apana.org.au (Mark Purcell)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Help: Remote system closing channel
Keywords: ACK SEND resend
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 13:50:26 +1000
Organization: Private site

In <nTVPrAKJBh107h@pos.apana.org.au> msp@pos.apana.org.au (Mark Purcell) writes:

>I seem to have a simple problem with my Waffle 1.65.  During data
>transfers after a random period (these things always happen after 
>random periods), usually about 10 minutes, my system stops sending
>data packets to the host it is connected to.  This has happened
>with a couple of different system I connect to, each of which run
>different inplementations of UUCP.

My thanks to Steve Harding <steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US> for
getting me to check the RTS/CTS vs XON/XOFF, which of course
was the problem.

It seems that my previous implementation of UUCP set the comms port
automaticaly whilst Waffle doesn't and must be set before you enter
Waffle.

Thanks again Steve,
Mark

-- 
msp@pos.apana.org.au	msp@pos.dialix.oz.au
Mark Purcell, 62/25 Market Street, SYDNEY NSW 2000.  (02) 283 5598
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:35:45 GMT

In article <8DL9VB2w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson) writes:

>Just how do we go about monitoring the overall status of mail?  I'd say
>that there is no way to measure the general health of the net in this
>regard.

Obviously you can't check the health of every site that might want to
send mail to you but if you have both a uucp name and a domain name
you can check your forwarding from the internet by sending yourself
messages in the form: path!to!forwarder!domain.name!you and
path!to!forwarder!uucp_name!you.  Or, send a message to an address
that doesn't exist and wait for the bounce to come back.  These don't
actually test the DNS lookup, so you might also want to send through
an different internet host to see if it can find your forwarder, but
once that's working it is not likely to fail later. 

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
From: jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US  (Dazed N. Confused)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: The woes of ^Z
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 22:46:06 PST
Organization: Vector Zero

phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill) writes:

>         The question is: "Is it worth the effort to fix Waffle?"  I don't
> think that ^Z in news messages is a major problem.

     And I don't think the extra short-circuit required:

          if ((s=fgets(..)) != EOF && *s != ^Z )

     is much of a major fix, either.

--Jon

   jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US                     Life is--eh, you know the line..

Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5505 comp.mail.uucp:2411 comp.mail.misc:4079
From: barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Followup-To: comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.misc
Date: 24 Dec 1992 08:52:25 +0200
Organization: Dept. Elec. Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: daisy.ee.und.ac.za

[Redirecting away from comp.bbs.waffle]

In article <e539VB6w165w@willard.UUCP>,
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson) writes:
> For what it's worth, I've come across the same problem, mailer software
> querying DNS on host.UUCP, on several "Internet" hosts.  If we accept
> the statement (from more than one participant on these newsgroups) that
> .UUCP is INVALID (typically shouted, as if that would make it somehow
> more logical), the Internet hosts surely have no business in querying
> DNS for that domain, yes?

An Internet host cannot *know* that .UUCP in invalid unless it either
    queries the DNS and gets back an error indication
or  has special-case information somehow installed in its configuration.

A good argument can be made for avoiding special-case information, and
Internet hosts that believe such an argument have every right to query
the DNS for *everything*, including .UUCP sites.  They will, of course,
get back an error indication, which will tell them that the domain is
invalid, and they will accordingly bounce the improperly addressed mail.

> We likely all agree on that one.

Apparently not.

--apb
Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
RFC822: barrett@ee.und.ac.za                    Bang: m2xenix!undeed!barrett
From: vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: Helldiver Questions
Organization: Vince and Suzie's Underpowered PC
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:05:59 GMT

ludwig@wefunk.rent.com (Mitchel F. Ludwig) writes:
>   I want to get in on all the Helldiver Hype!
>   I've grabbed it and unarched it.  It doesn't work...

>   4)  All my newsgroups, whether joined, or manually went to, are empty.

the order of the stuff on the /waffle/system/usenet file is important.
try moving any /dir=....... stuff to the end of the line 

also, helldiver1.07 doesn't do waffle mail folders, but I've already
reported that one.

my only significant complaints were that it takes FOREVER to semi-index
a big newsgroup (say 30 days of c.b.w.) and that it doesn't consolidate
multiple articles with the same subject into one line-item (like 'nn'
and 'trn' do under unix and 'snews' does under DOS).

but it's pretty cool even at this time for the MSDOS-impaired :-)

-- 
     ---------- Vince Skahan --------- vince@victrola.sea.wa.us ----------
	Heineken uncertainty principle: you can never be sure how many
		beers you had last night.
From: william@cithara.login.qc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: ARCLIST
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:11:29 GMT
Organization: Organ Grinders Monkeys Union With Penguins As Mascots

Greetings,

Does anyone have or know of a way to get the ARCLIST utility to
recognize the *.arj format; it's popular in this neck o the woods.

I have tried appending stuff to the command="ARCLIST +???" It didn't
work. Probably won't either.

Thank you

Happy holidays, and remember to have Waffles and maple syrup for
breakfast at least once over the holidays!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
William Ross
cithara                 Specalists in asbestos underwear
                        since 1992                william@cithara.login.qc.ca
From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: From NOBODY
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 12:57:11 CST
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253

system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) writes:

| Whenever I unzip anything, I DON'T do it in the directory where I plan 
| to make my final installation. I have a look first. Read the READ.ME 
| files, the documentation, and THEN install (after a virsu check!).
| Is that so hard...

Apparently IS for some folks.

I use Shez - so I can "open up" the archive, look around, read docs,
check for viruses, THEN selectively extract (newer) executables to my
Waffle dir.  Worked fine for me.  Even easier than what all of you have
been describing (which is pretty durned easy).

| And while I'm here, I think the documentation is great, and people who 
| complain should write an improved version for general consumption. You 
| don't NEED to know which file to look at with GREP or FIND or 
| equivalent. Try a FEW keywords (never just ONE).

Amen to that!  I've read lots of documentation that wasn't worth a hoot.
Instead of complaining, I rewrote it and asked the author if they wanted
it or not.  Haven't been turned down yet.  So far, I've written (and
passed on) docs to three packages I can think of.  Waffle's docs are
durned good, I'd say - there's just so much in there you gotta read it
again... and again... and again...


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InterNet: rat@ruth.UUCP                 |  80Megs+ of Usenet/Fido programs!
Fidonet: David Douthitt 1:121/23        |
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Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5504 comp.mail.uucp:2410
From: abolins@visavis.cam.org (August Abolins)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:28:37 GMT
Organization: Vis-a-Vis Communications [Ontario+Quebec]

stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz) writes:
> 
> _This_ is the specific reason for obtaining a FQDN in the Internet DNS and
> having an MX record.  The MX record provides the routing information for
> any Internet host to send email to your host, even if it is really a
> uucp-only system...

I give up; what does MX stand for?


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