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From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Bugs on Broadway
Date: 7 Oct 1992 20:54:26 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1at1akINN297@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
>>	Well before 96-97, I should think.  '94 or maybe '95 at the outside
>>sounds just about right.  I mean, Lucas could have had Zahn or someone 
>>writing the new books any time within the past nine years...  I really don't
>>think that...
>
>He did.  Remember the Han Solo and Lando Calrissian books?

	Yes, I've been trying to find copies for my youngest brother (an eight
year old Star Wars fan...  Currently reading Heir To The Empire).  Weren't
those released between movies, though?

>>LucasFilm is going to let these two years of hype (from the release of Heir 
>>To The Empire) go to waste; we're going to see something no later than six 
>>months after The Final Command's paperback release (and probably timed to 
>>coincide with it).
>
>I think that you're going to ahve to wait until 1995, when the 12 books
>they have just liscensed have all come out.  That will keep new hype
>coming, and they won't have to compete with themselves by bringing out
>the movie and books at the same time.

	Twelve new books...?  Isn't that a bit of an overkill?  I mean, yeah,
I'll buy them, happily, but that seems like too much.  Besides, if Lucas waits
till those are all out - those will be paperbacks, right?  I mean, if they're
coming out once every two or three months, I'd have some trepidition about
paying for hardcovers - the "newness" will probably have worn off.  If he gets
it done by six months after The Final Command's paperback release, there will
still be enough hype.  If new Star Wars stuff is coming out at the same rate as
new Star Trek stuff, a new SW movie won't be that much of an event (this is a
matter of scale, though.  With something as eagerly awaited as this, it would
have to set the all-time money-making record in its first weekend of release
to really exceed expectations).

	In any event, '95 seems just too far off.  Considering new Star Wars
stuff has been coming out since May '91, this would mean FOUR YEARS of hype.
That's too much.  Even three seems excessive, but the fact that the release
rate seems to be accelerating (91:  1 HC book; 92: 1 HC, 1PB book, Dark Empire
comic books; 93: 1 HC, 1 PB book, SW Classic comic books, new series of
books...), they'll NEED a movie in '94 just to keep up.  I mean, this hype
won't work unless they keep building it up right up to the release of the new
movie.

					-Jay
From: mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vader's death
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:38:48 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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	Why can't you people just accept the fact that Vader died from the
combination of Luke's attack, and the Emperor's bolts short-circuiting Vader's
life-support system.  Before he took off the mask (the act that ultimately 
killed him), h       dfhgetrfujytejerj
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: names of all the bounty hunters in esb?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 08:58:43 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Does anyone know offhand the names of all the bounty hunters in
ESB?  I know most of them--Bossk, Boba Fett, Dengar, IG-88, and
Zuckuss (I think)--but were there others?
Thanks for any replies.
keith

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From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: Re: WANTED! SF figures!
Originator: cmgeorg@c00562-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:43:32 GMT


In article <92282.111623JMC159@psuvm.psu.edu>, <JMC159@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|>
|>I have a best friend who only needs these few figures to have a complete 92 set
|>Star Wars figure collection.  He is looking for the following:
|>Amanaman
|>Paploo
|>Luke in Battle Poncho
|>Imperial Gunner
|>Luke in Stormtrooper
|>Romba
|>Han in Carbonite
|>R2 with pop up lightsaber
|>EV-9D9

Well, by my count, there's *100* different figures available for the movies
(101 if you count the RocketFett), 6 for the Ewok cartoons and 12 for the Droids
cartoons.  I just wouldn't call 92 a *complete* set even from just the movie 
figures standpoint.

-Chris

 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++                                                                           
 +      Chris Georgoulias                                                    +
 + North Carolina State University                                           +
 +     cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu                                                  +
 +                                                                           +
 +                                                                           +
 + "Aah... who cares about school...who cares about life...who cares about   +
 +  me.  Not me, that's for sure!  Look!...(punches himself in the head)..   +
 +  ...I just don't care!"                                                   +
 +                                       -Vyvian,  The Young Ones            +                                             
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser)
Subject: ESB- Luke & the Cave
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:50:53 GMT


Yesterday waiting for the presidential debates, the person holding the control  
remote happened to switch to the channel showing ESB.  The scene that came up  
is Luke's entry into the Dark Cave on Dagobah.  The guy sitting next to me  
asked me what the whole deal was, and I suddenly realized that I wasn't  
completely sure.

What happens in the movie is totally random almost (unless you consider it  
foreshadowing of when DV tells Luke about their relationship)  I remember the  
book mentions something more, but it's been a long time since I read it.   
Finally I know that either the Zahn books or the _Fall of the Republic_ also  
touches upon it.  

Any ideas??  I would like to be reminded about what the ESB book says, before  
everyone starts posting and flaming on the validity of what Zahn might have  
written.

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From: dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu (dann cutter)
Subject: Next Swars movie 
Organization: Stellar Enterprises
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 22:52:11 GMT

I can't really say where I got this but... this is just to confirm any
doubt: There is another SW movie (series) being made. Can't say any more...

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From: wool8657@mach1.wlu.ca (john woolsey 9209 U)
Subject: Re: No more movies?
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:42:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.131945.21011@newshost.unh.edu> ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>>>>I remember hearing somewhere that Lucas said he would film movie VII when
>>>                                                                  ^^^
>>>Just to be picky, that should be movie I, since the next movie should
>>>be the start of the first trilogy.
>>
>>Why, what makes you the authority of which trilogy Lucas will do next if
>>he even does one at all?  Personally I see absolutely no point to the
>>first trilogy even being put onto the screen.
>
>AAUGH!!  Sorry.  I see *every* point in putting the first trilogy to the
>screen.  In fact, I'd rather see the first trilogy put to the screen than the
>last.  Entertainment doesn't always depend on not knowing what is going to
>happen -- heck, in Shakespeare's day, everybody already *knew* the stories --
>they wanted to see how it would be done.  So do I with the first trilogy.
>And I bet there is a lot of agreement with me from others out there on this
>one.  It would be *SO* cool to see the first three movies, and witness first
>hand (as opposed to a poor second) the clone wars, the fall of the republic,
>and Anakin's transformation to the legendary Darth Vader....
>
>
I agree the first trilogy will be fun, but I doubt they will do it up front
since the third trilogy is far more sellable. I see the first trilogy as
more likely to be contracted out at a later date. Probably from Lucas's
estate once he bites it.
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vader's Tie Fighter
Date: 7 Oct 1992 09:07:18 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (mason hart) writes:

>I tend to think of Vader's TIE as a prototype for the interceptor
>that was introduced in RotJ.  Vader strikes me as the kind of guy
>who'd want the best, even if it was experimental.

I don't think that there is really much new technology introduced.
I'd like to think that those ships were there all along, but that we 
just didn't see them before.  There really weren't great masses of 
Tie fighters shown in Star Wars.  There were a bunch on the Death
Star, but perhaps the Death Star didn't carry the same types of 
fighters.  The Star Destroyers and Death Star were designed to perform
different missions.

keith

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From: pejulaju@sandman.cs.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen)
Subject: Re: test
Reply-To: pejulaju@niksula.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:53:19 GMT

In article <1b4e4vINNdmb@koh-sun15.usc.edu> joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>This is just a test.....or is it?!?!?!?!?

I think it is (IMHO), so don't worry about it. (But, don't do it again.)
Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 17:36:21 -0400 
From: Michael Raymond Cote <mc7g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Z-95?
	<1992Oct3.000802.3208@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>

I think a Z-95 is a starfighter that predates the X-Wing.  Han and
friends fly a bunch of them in one of the Han Solo novels, and in the
SW:RPG Module, "Tatooine Manhunt," there's a sketch of one and some
stats for it (though I suspect that this sketch is actually a production
design preliminary for an X-Wing)  

-Michael Cote


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From: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Subject: Star Wars hype? Not!
Originator: gamg6900@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:23:02 GMT

I think people are getting carried away with all this talk about hype. If
you want a recent example of hyping a movie, think back to BATMAN --
saturation bombing of the entire spectrum of media, from newspapers to
TV to radio, and especially merchandising. Remember how BATMAN merchandise
was hot even before the movie was released?

Star Wars is NOT being hyped by anyone right now. The only thing close to
national scale was the success of the Zahn books which, remember, took
everyone by surprise. You don't see articles in newspapers, on Entertainment
Tonight, or in USA Today.

The only thing going on right now is that Lucasfilm keeps the kettle on
simmer and stirs it occasionally. ALL the things coming out now and in
the recent past are directed at FANS, not the general public. Notice
also that Lucas is personally involved in NONE of them -- Lucasfilm
is just filling time (and making money) while Lucas does his own thing.
This keeps core interest alive in Star Wars and exposes the kids so
that when the next movies evetually do come out they will still have a
receptive audience.

If you look hard enough you can find conspiracy in anything. And remember,
we are all hypersensitive to anything Star Wars. This combination is
not conducive to prediction.

						Greg Martin
						g-martin1@uiuc.edu
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From: braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER)
Subject: Re: Lynch directing SW (Re: Cast of 'Prefix' T
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:27:15 GMT

pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:

>>If it would have been anything like Dune (Long Version), ROTJ

>Ohhhhh......Ick !!!!  Jedi like Dune ????  Let me guess, Jabba would be a
>large facelss worm that snakes through the sands of Tatooine, both Rebel
>and Imperial forces (or at lest the actors) would not have a clue, and, the
>the film's most touching scene, Yoda, just before his death, instructs Luke
>on how to properly scream at the Emperor....

Hey dickwad, dont insult a great movie.  RotJ would be nothing like Dune,
for starters Lynch probably would have not written very much of the script
(one of the reasons Dune is soooo far out), and would have had some input
from Lucas, creating a very well rounded, fascinating film; and I agree
it would have surpassed any other sf film around.

hook

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From: wool8657@mach1.wlu.ca (john woolsey 9209 U)
Subject: Re: No more movies?
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:31:59 GMT

In article <pzjpnm+@lynx.unm.edu> pklinker@apollo.mcl.bdm.com (Paul Klinker) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.190650.13185@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, gmclain@lonestar.utsa.edu (Glenn A. Mclain) writes:
>>In article <Bvr9ws.6L3@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> cleaver@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Russell Cleaver) writes:
>>>lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
>>>> In article <92280.133504BNB101@psuvm.psu.edu> <BNB101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>>>
>>>> >Lucas was quoted as saying, "I'm bored with Star Wars I want to do
>>>> >something new."
>>>> >It concluded by saying the closest we'll get to another movie
>>>> >is to read the Zahn novels and Dark Horse comics.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, *man*, Lucas *can't* do this. Can he?
>>>> He couldn't. Not with all the SW publicity he's churning out--
>>>> books, RPG stuff, "X-Wing," and so forth.
>>
>>>But (if I may play devil's advocate for a moment):
>>>I suppose if Lucas *wanted* to create a new wave of
>>>SW marketing/merchandising, just for the heck of it, he could.
>>>He doesn't necessarily *have* to follow-up this new publicity with a
>>>new movie; he could simply be reaping further profits from the work
>>>he's already done!
>>
>>    Perhaps he is getting a "feel" of how well received a movie would be
>>from the public, by generating a little stir?
>>
>>Glenn..........
>>
>I remember reading in U.S. News and World Report (the issue came out some
>time in mid 1991) that Lucas was waiting for computer graphics technololgy
>to improve before he made the new movies.  The article this was written in
>was about computer graphics in movies and it showed a lot of scenes from 
>"The Abyss".  The part on Star Wars was a small blurb, so take it for
>what it's worth.
>
>Paul

I remember hearing somewhere that Lucas said he would film movie VII when
he was completed with the young indiana jones series. So if it went well it
would be quite a while. Since the young indianna jones series seems to have
flopped miserably I guess we will be hearing Star Wars soon.

I also watched a showing of all three movies in 1990, where the movie club
who was showing them claimed that they would be coming out with a new movie
in 1994. I have no idea if either of these claims are truely valid.
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Subject: Re: Next SW Movie
From: <BNB101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:35:47 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

    You're kidding right?  What is all this spy vs. spy stuff about "I can't
say anything else."  We're all dying for the real answer to all our questions
and I get annoyed at heresay.  So do you have a personal relationship with
Lucas or are you an employee of ILM?  You can tell us, we're all friends!
From: DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Bugs on Broadway
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:16:43 GMT
 <1992Oct1.234946.6933@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> <1992Oct5.101851.14639@anasazi.com>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Oct5.101851.14639@anasazi.com>, rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J.
Rickard Jr) says:
>
>>       He's getting ready for the big surprise. :)  Actually I don't
>>know if I can agree with the people that claim the next SW will be released
>>next year, but I think we will see something major before 96-97.  Star Wars
>>has been getting major media saturation lately in anticipation of SOMETHING.
>
>As a comic reader, I had just gotten a magazine called Wizard which says
>Topps will be releasing a new set of STAR WARS cards early next year!!!
>This new set is suppose to have never before seen scenes and new art as
>well, including all 3 movies!!!  If you think that I am excited by this
>news, well I am!!!  Anybody else heard about this?
>
>                                Ron
>
>

---Yeah, I'm an occasional Wizard reader too, and my friend told me about
this. Reminds me of my younger days. Supposedly some of the art is
going to be done by some really great artist, like some of the work done
on the comic cards ( where sometimes the characters are drawn better on
the cards than they've ever been drawn in the actual comics ). Some of
the stills on the original cards were pretty cool; will this new series
consist solely of new stills?
                                      -THARIZDUN
From: d'mayeur@tier.key.edu
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Subject: Re: Yak-Face
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:10:40 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <71422@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU  
(BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
> 
> Would someone please post just who the heck Yak-Face is, and what point  
in what movie (I assume Jedi) he appeared?  I'm going out on a limb, and  
guess that he appeared for all of three seconds, never uttered a sound,  
and was not listed in  the credits.  So in other words, I'm guessing he is  
just like most of the otherfigures that came out.  Also, why was the  
figure not released in the USA?
*************************************************************************

	It's been a while, but I believe Yak Face was in the scene on  
Jabba's sail barge--- yes, another one of those creatures you see for two  
or three seconds and Kenner has to make a figure of them because they look  
"cool".   
	Compounding this matter is the fact that this figure was only  
released in Europe, Australia, and a few other assorted countries.  If you  
look on the backs of the "Power of the Force" action figures, they say  
something like "Collect all 92 figures".  Yak Face is not pictured.  The  
only Kenner advertisement which showed this figure was in the relatively  
rare series of three "Planetary Maps", which were included with "Power of  
the Force" boxed toys (e.g. Tatooine Skiff).  The front of the map  
depicted a collage of scenes from the movies, while the back showed the  
latest Kenner toys.
	I really don't know why Kenner didn't bother to release this  
figure in the U.S.  (except to be butt-heads, of course).  Most likely it  
was because they were already well into the process of phasing out their  
Star Wars toy line in 1984-1985 and didn't feel like releasing any more  
figures.  Or.... possibly they just wanted to REALLY PISS OFF all future  
U.S. collectors by making a figure only available in foreign countries.   
And they sure did that, because, depending on the type of package it's in  
(European Tri-Logo or foreign edition "Power of the Force"), it can fetch  
from $100 - $200 or so.
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From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser)
Subject: Re: Vader's Death
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:50:11 GMT

In article <1bcagtINNjrc@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne  
Martin) writes:
> 
> 	Why can't you just accept the idea that Vader died from a combination 
> of Luke's attack and the Emperor's bolts.  Before he took off the mask (the  
act
> 	STAR WARS wasn't meant to be and isn't a very complex story.  There are
> few if any hidden meanings (especially in ROTJ).  That is why one must assume
> the obvious as being the reason Vader died--his life support was short-
> circuited, a nice easily seen and understood explanation.

Part of the fun in watching or reading any fictional work is for you to  
interpret the plot in your own special way.  You may not agree with other  
people, but every interpratation can have something interesting in it.  I used  
to be against this once.  I hated in High School when a forced interpratation  
of a nobel was fed to me as the Biblical truth, even if the author never  
intended it.  Then I had a really great teacher who changed the way I thought  
about interpreting any book (or in this case movies)  She told me that the  
author only gives you half the meaning, it is up to you to come up with the  
other half.  As long as an explanation (like DV being linked to the Emperor,  
etc) is not _directly_ contradicted by the author himself, it remains an open  
explanation.  Groups like this are made to discuss all the interpratations that  
one movie can have.  In fact I think part of Star Wars greatness comes from the  
fact that it _can_ be interpreted in many ways, even if George Lucas never  
thought twice about it.

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