HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: andreas@atlas.physchem.chemie.uni-tuebingen.de (Andreas Haug)
Subject: Re: GNUPLOT under 3.0
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:31:18 GMT

chuck@pierre.mit.edu (Chuck Parsons) writes:
>  Has anyone gotton GNUPLOT to compile under 3.0?  I'm having
>trouble in the term module. Specifically, some of the NeXTStep
>headers (in appkit) with constructs like

>    somtheing = (id<NXDraggingInfo>) something else 

>refuse to compile. The compiler complains about not being able
>to find the ")" after the (id.  Random attemps to trivially change the 
>syntax (in hopes that it is only a parser bug), like adding spaces 
>do not work. I suspect some knowledge of object oriented c programming
             ----------------------------------------------------------
>might help. 
------------

You have given the answer already. The problem is that the objective-C
code is included from a "plain C" program who's filename ends with ".c".
Since NextStep 3.0 (really: since GNU-C 1.whatever) the compiler just
forgets all he knows about objective-c _if_ the source file has the
".c"-Extension. So to provide the compiler with knowledge of object 
oriented c programming" one has to use the correct extension.

Workaround: rename "term.c" (if mind serves...) to "term.m", edit the
Makefile accordingly. (Thanks to Frank Siegert who found this out.)

Best regards,

Andreas.


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From: toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl (Toon Moene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Is the wait over? Upcoming NeXT CD-ROM drive
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:47:05 GMT
Organization: Moene Computational Physics, Amsterdam, The Netherlands

In article <1992Dec18.184953.4580@netcom.com> abell@netcom.com (Steven T.  
Abell) writes:
> Another data point: I received mine 12/16/92, during the week they said
> they would ship.
> 
> Steve abell@netcom.com

I've got mine today - and spent the rest of the day installing 3.0. It was  
mailed to me on Thursday.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton)
Subject: Re:  NeXTSTEP award posting in RTF
Organization: Trilithon Software
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:03:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.164940.1179@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com writes:
    *  Ask Glenn Reid...  It probably looked great on his machine.   ;-)

The fonts happen to be Franklin Gothic and Coventry Script.  

But here's a laugh.  A while ago I got a communicaton from a
friend of mine (Dick Dunn) about the Paper Direct Company, who
sell all kinds of paper.  Their latest catalog touts certificate
papers and borders, and they say, ``now you can recognise your
employees, and it only costs you seventeen cents!''.  [Gosh, I
should work for a company that gives me that much recognition!].

Anyway, Dick said he'd received a reply from somebody who said,
``If they print the award in Courier, it's definitely time to
look for another job. . .''.

	........  Henry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: erno@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ernest F.B. Pena)
Subject: Re: Good NeXT ps font collection loaded to sonata!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:54:10 GMT

Are these fonts public domain or shareware? From the names, it seems these are
commercial fonts sold by Adobe or ITC or whoever for $150+?

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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Mail buttons stop working
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:44:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.193410.22205@Princeton.EDU>  
sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene) writes:
> 
> Anyone else have this?  Anyone know why?
> 

Yep. Nope.

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From: bwilliam@iat.holonet.net (Bill Williams)
Subject: Re: 3.5" 128Mb M/O Drives?
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:12:33 GMT

It is *NOT* a 128 Megabyte device it can only hold 121 Megabytes MAXIMUM!

Do not spread misinformation. Certainly you aren;t measuring the capacity
as "millions of bytes" instead of Megabytes. A Megabyte is based on posers
of 2 (2^10 = 1048576 bytes) not 10^6 (1000000 bytes).

A Kilobyte and a Megabyte are units of measure related to COMPUTER STORAGE
and are not supposed to be subject to redefinition by slick talking
marketing people and salesmen not versed in computer programming technologies.

As a side note... the original Mac 128 user manual defined "Kilobyte" in
the manual as "1000 bytes" I Blame Apple wholly and exculsively for this
caniving and insidious mistake that now has snoballed 9 years later into
PLI customers deluding themselves into thinking they can store more than
121 Megabytes on their 3.5 inch MO devices.


Bill Williams

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler)
Subject: Re: Kodak PhotoCD Question
Reply-To: jjfeiler@relief.com
Organization: relief consulting
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:02:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.150606.15903@auc.trw.com> ppfeifer@auc.trw.com (Pat  
Pfeifer) writes:
> In article <28227@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert  
Kurhajetz) writes:
> >Hello-
> >
> >Looking for info on support of Kodaks's PhotoCD on the NeXT Platform.
> >Any help or info along these lines would be appreciated.
> 
> I too, am looking for information about using Kodak's PhotoCD with
> the NeXT CDRom Drive, on the NeXT.  I recently read an article in 
> the Dec issue of MacUser which mentions the ability of some of the newer 
> Mac CD-ROM drives which can read the Kodak PhotoCDs.  Using 
> System 7.1, and/or something called QuickTime the PhotoCDs can be 
> viewed like a slide show.
> 
> Can the NeXT CD-ROM read Kodak PhotoCDs?

Yes and no.  Kodak PCD uses a Session 2 level 2 encoding, which allows you to  
write to the disk, play with it for a while, then write some more.  The NeXT  
CD-ROM will only understand the first session on any given disk, so if you  
put 30 frames on a disk, then add another 40, you'll never be able to get at  
the last 40 frames.  (with current hardware/firmware)

Does it work?  Sure does.  I just looked at 80 images on a PCD earlier today.   
Unfortunately, I don't know of any software that will allow me to look at the  
images on the NeXT.....  sigh.

	John

> 
> 			Thanks,
> 			Pat Pfeifer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: ksh
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:24:12 GMT

fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
>
>Get BASH (Bourne Again SHell), the GNU version of ksh with lots of csh
>niceties and other good stuff. I've used it as login shell on Sun's
>and NeXT for years, and it's truly the best shell available.

You cannot make absolute statements ("best shell available") about
subjective things like shells (and editors, and religions, and
politics, and music, and, ...)

BASH is quite usable but is also very large. A quick comparison on my
machine shows it using four times as much memory NeXT's /bin/sh.
You've got to ask yourself if its worth it...

-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: cl50@muddnext9.cc.columbia.edu (Chengi  Lin)
Subject: zxyel modem price
Keywords: modem, price
Reply-To: cl50@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:55:06 GMT

Back a couple days ago, someone posted an increditable zxyel modem price  
of $369.00.  Can someone tell me where to get the best zxyel modem price?

Many thanks in advance.


---james


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From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Changing Fax cover sheet under 3.0?
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:21:17 GMT
Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science
In-reply-to: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil's message of 7 Dec 92 22:40:36 GMT

>>>>> "Curt" == Curt Welch <curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil> writes:

In comp.sys.next.misc, robert@amo.mit.edu (Robert Lutwak) writes:
>The print/fax/edit-cover menu seems to have a pull-down menu
>of cover sheets (with only one available).

Curt> If you create more, they will all show up.  You just select the
Curt> one you want.

Curt> I created a new one, but I don't remember exactly how I did it.  I'm
Curt> not on my NeXT now, so I can't look at and figure it out agin.  It was
Curt> easy however.

Curt> I think I double clicked on the name somehow, which launched draw
Curt> on the default cover sheet.  I changed it and did a Save As to create
Curt> my custom version with a different name, (but in the same directory
Curt> I think).

There are also the items on the Tools>FaxCoverSheet menu. Manuals, who
needs manuals? :-) Not that I wouldn't mind a 3.0 User manual...

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From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Interest in Full Motion video, without
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:55:52 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

All this talk about video compression.  Did anyone stop to think about 
what happens to the audio?  Audio doesn't compress as well and since it
doesn't I hope we can keep it seperate as it has always been.  After you
get the video compression algorythm worked out, why not just incorperate 
some SMPTE or VITC so that we could use the NeXT as a front
panel to control a video deck and a midi project studio via a conversion 
from SMPTE to midi machine code, etc. (using resources found in the music 
and sound kit 3.1). Why try to get the NeXT to do 
every thing when it is within our grasp to get it to monitor and control
everything including external macs.  If someone out their creates something
I'd be happy to market and support it to NeXT users. 

maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ice@socrates.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman)
Subject: Re: Good NeXT ps font collection loaded to sonata!
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:06:45 GMT

otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes:
>However, since these fonts are already at several ftp sites, I see no
>reason to keep my work to install them from the net.public -- if it
>turns out they were pirated (and I really doubt it in the case of a font
>called "ArnoldBoecklin" -- does anyone know who he is?) they can always
>be deleted.

There is a font called Arnold B\o"cklin (\o" = odieresis) in the
Adobe font catalog.  I don't remember what company it is from though
(not Adobe, maybe ITC?).  An educated guess is that Arnold is the
font's designer.
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NEED ANSWERS QUICK ABOUT BASIC NEXT STUFF!!!
Date: 17 Dec 1992 01:44:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


1) what is the smallest hard drive possible for 3.0 and 3.0 
extended? what is the space left over than?

2) can a color (non-turbo) run with 12 or 8 megs of RAM? 

I'm buying a used system and I would like to buy the best system
possible. I would like Color but can't afford a 16/400 color so
I'd like to see what the min. RAM (I'd upgrade to 16+ in 3 months)
and hard drive space. I'd like to do development but not until after
I get the RAM boost....Thanks for any emailed advice....
CW

HOORAY! AFTER 3 years of waiting I finally get one of these bad
daddy's!
CW
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From: tony_wosnjuk@novell.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: CDplayer thru speakers?
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:54:45 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.



How can I get the CDplayer.app to play the cd (music) thru the speakers  
and not only the headphones?

Is this possible?

THANKS.
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From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks)
Subject: Librarian Services?
Keywords: Librarian, services 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:57:58 GMT

 I have some trouble with the services menu with the 
Librarian headings. First, I have the choice "Jot selection in 
Bible", although I removed the Bible some months ago. How 
do I change this? 

Second, jotting a selection simply creates a new ascii file 
called "Bible". Totally useless. 

Third, I can "Search in Bible" but there is no bible. How can
I switch to various items on my real bookshelf? Note that I have 
no bookshelf with the name "Bible".

Are there ANY docs concerning Librarian 3.0? It might be useful
but at present it's a nuisance.

Thanks

Robert de Lucca
rdelucca@rosemary.uucp.jhu.edu
Johns Hopkins University

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer
From: greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson)
Subject: Crazy Greg's gone Mondo!
Reply-To: greg@afs.com
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 22:37:17 GMT

You loved the Steve "Jagger" Jobs login tiff. You begged for the One  
Froggy Night directory tiffs. And now you're hooked. You want more.  
Something a little more daring. Something a little more on the edge. At  
Crazy Greg's House o' Programmers (aka Anderson Financial Systems), we  
deliver. How about a pair of Mondo 2000 baby icons, with and without the  
pirate patch? Yes, these fine hand-crafted icons make a perfect holiday  
gift for the corporate programmer-droid-slave who secretly craves to jack  
into the Matrix and crack green ICE instead of hacking NXBrowsers for the  
ungrateful meat upstairs. As usual, these items are available at the same  
low, low, low prices that have made us famous Internet-wide. In the words  
of a happy customer, "Can't steal them for less."

Terms of offer: Send email to greg@afs.com. Must be 21 or older, or under  
the care of a legal guardian. All sales final. Supplies are limited to  
stock on hand. Sorry, no rainchecks. Void where prohibited by law. Pocket  
Fisherman and Chia Pet sold separately. AFS affiliated with Mondo 2000?  
R.U. Sirius?

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Master Programmer / Manager  | "Let the programmers be many and  
Anderson Financial Systems   | the managers few; then all will be 
greg@afs.com  (Nextmail OK)  | productive." -- Tao of Programming
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill)
Subject: Re: Good NeXT ps font collection loaded to sonata!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:01:08 GMT


>Nope.  The AFM (Adobe Font Metric) files may be Adobe issue, but the
>fonts themselves don't seem to be.

Note that *both* the AFM and font files contain Adobe copyrights.  I
couldn't imagine anyone going into a PD font and inserting these 
copyrights.

>I used the FontLister utility to 
>print samples of the Garamond font and compared to Adobe's own
>Garamond.  They're similar, certainly, but definitely not the same.
>Compare, for example, the glyph 'a'.  It's quite different

Adobe sells no less than 11 different versions of Garamond.  Make 
sure you're comparing apples to apples.

...Michael Brill

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From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: lha vs compress
Distribution: world
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:38:42 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

    I'm sure this has been hashed out before, but I would like to point out
    to anyone who is having disk-space problems that unix 'lha' (of lharc
    fame) does a hellofabetter job compressing stuff the compress.

    For example, the meat of the gcc distribution on sonata is 3178496
    bytes compressed, 2183101 bytes lha'd.  (uncompressed/unlha'd is
    6303744).

    The downside is that compress runs much faster then lha, but generally
    people are concerned more about space utilization for archives.  Most
    microcomputer users use lha now a days.

					-Matt

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher)
Subject: Fun App of the year (or, It looks like a Million)
Keywords: palettes, clocks, fun
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:51:57 GMT

Jim Million has posted (to purdue,etc) another palette (ClocksPalette)
which also contains, as an example, the fun App of the year. Check it
out.

Charlie



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software
From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro)
Subject: Re: Wanted: App to preview fonts without installing them.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:19:47 GMT

In <1992Dec13.114133.18500@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes:


>[1] Is there an  application that would  allow me to preview fonts  without
>having to install them first?

>	<further>

You can do this with Yap.  First, load the outline file into Yap, then
give the following commands (assuming the font is, say, Western, substitute
the proper name)

/Western findfont 
48 scalefont
setfont 
72 200 moveto
(here is some text) show
showpage


this will cause "here is some text" to appear at 48 point in Yaps window
(after you hit the Execute button of course).  This is also a good trick 
for checking out a font in case you get the ubiquitous "Unusable Font"
error message, which can be caused by all sorts of things.  Use this to 
make sure that the outline file is okay. (i.e. if the font shows properly
this way then the problme is usually with the .afm file instead).  

>[2] Is there a way to  store fonts I use once  a year in a lower-level font
>chooser?


Yes, at least for all of the PD and shareware fonts (particularly those
made with the conversion tools from the Mac).  I figured this out some 
months ago and have been meanign to post it.  Will write it up and post
here later tonight under the subject "Helpful Font Panel Trick"

>[3] Are there other good monospaced fonts that work with  Terminal, Stuart,
>etc.?


Personally I think Ohlfs is the nicest ofthe bunch (basically because it's
Courier "tuned" to the NeXT screen), but I've not yet seen the font Don 
Yackman (sp?) recently posted to sonata.


Hope this is helpful --- Tom

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: prism!tdawson (Tim Dawson)
Subject: Re: Why Does 3.0 Blow Away User Docks?
Reply-To: tdawson@is.com
Organization: Integrity Solucions, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 04:29:16 GMT

Jim Mann writes
> We upgraded our NeXTs to 3.0 over the weekend.  Why does the
> upgrade blow away the users' docks, preferences about the shelf,
> which folders and documents were on the shelf, and so forth?  For
> a computer that is supposed to be so user friendly, this was
> a rather user hostile act, causing 50+ users to have to go
> and redrag applications to the dock, replace documents on the
> shelf, etc.
> 
> --
> Jim Mann            
> Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  

This is because the wmd files which Workspaces uses to cache these things are named different between the 2.0 and 3.0 release.  They are probably even quite different internally.

All this of course causes all the users to have to redrag applications to the dock.  Bummer.

The silver lining in this cloud is that if you have a network login, when you login to a 2.0 system, you can keep 2.0 apps on your dock, and when you login to a 3.0 system, you can keep the 3.0 equivalents.

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All this of course causes all the users to have to redrag applications to the dock.  Bummer.

The silver lining in this cloud is that if you have a network login, when you login to a 2.0 system, you can keep 2.0 apps on your dock, and when you login to a 3.0 system, you can keep the 3.0 equivalents.

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From: gumby@tweedledumb.cygnus.com (D V Henkel-Wallace)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Sun can't print NeXT PostScript
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:43:33
Organization: /0h/users/gumby/.organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: tweedledumb.cygnus.com
In-reply-to: f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu's message of 14 Dec 92 19:53:15 CST

   Date: 14 Dec 92 19:53:15 CST
   From: f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu

   I mailed a PostScript file (created on a NeXT) to a Sun. The Sun can display
   the ps, but they can't print it with a Sun ps printer.

   Any ideas?

I've found that I sometimes cannot print real postscript on sun
SPARCPrinters (which currently have a sun postscript clone, NeWS).  I
never have trouble printing them on a cheap QMS (with real
postscript), or for that matter, ghostscript.
From: cleeland@cs.tulane.edu (Chris Cleeland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Getting data from Mac to NeXT
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:47:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-23828]: sinbad

I have about 40 800k Mac floppies, some of which I would like to
place on my NeXTstation color.  I have NeXTStep 3.0 with Appleshare,
but that only reads the 1.2M floppies.  Without borrowing a newer
Mac with a SuperDrive from somebody, does anyone have any ideas on how
I could get the data from one side to the other?

I figured I could create a poor-man's network -- serial link -- and
just talk kermit, or Zmodem, or something like that, but I was hoping
for a tad more elegant solution.  Has anybody ever tried getting
a NeXT and a Mac to talk together in a "networked" fashion via AppleTalk?
If I did this, would that allow me to transport files in a manner
similar to FTP?  Am I just on drugs??? :-)

Any ideas would be most appreciated...
Thanks!
-cj
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