HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Wonderful Life
Date: 12 Sep 92 04:21:49 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.185730.25246@klaava.Helsinki.FI> amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell) writes:
>I'll probably regret this--and feel free to flame me... but I have it
>from a reliable source that Gould is also a womanizer and opportunist.
>I don't think very highly of his work.  There, I've said what I think of
>the man.  So hate me.
>
>Marko Amnell
>amnell@klaava.helsinki.fi
>Graduate Student in Philosophy

Not a flame, but .... what, if any, would be the connection between
Gould's moral character and the quality of his work? Do you think
that only "good people" can do "good science"?

I remember reading somewhere that Beethoven was a real <insert term
of abuse here> (used his influence to destroy professional rivals,
etc). Even if this is true, should it have any influence on our view
of his music?

Well, these are very bland observations on my part, aren't they?

Paul
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From: spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden of Proof
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  No one in the world understands sarcasm
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:01:00 GMT

Mark Taranto writes...
>Fido writes:
>        Mark Taranto writes:
>                I do have a fancy title -- but it is usually associated with
>                people who can not spell "potato."
>        And, apparently, with people who cannot spell "cannot".
> 
>I often spell words incorrectly, but in this case I did not (didnot?).
>My WEBSTER'S defines "Cannot" as "Can not."  I was taught that the space is
>optional.  I'm surprised that Fido missed this, and wonder if it is due to
>a shortcoming of his nanny, or to his public school.  For those interested
>in looking it up, it might be of interest to note that it is on the same page
>as "Canon."
>Mark

+------------------------------------------SubG--------------------------------+
And, incidentally, "potatoe" and "potato" are both legitimate spellings;  or at
least as legitimate as "colour" for "color," "favourite" for "favorite,"
"tyre" for "tire," "manoeuvre" for "manouver" and "knee-jerk reactionary
goon" for "J. Danforth Quayle."



Yours etc.,




SubGenius

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From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Subject: Re: Movie based on "The Aspern Papers"?
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
In-reply-to: dcox@relay.nswc.navy.mil's message of 4 Sep 92 19:46:16 GMT
Organization: pubs
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:00:54 CDT

David Cox writes:

   I recently read a collection of six short novels by Henry James,
   and the only one that stood out was "The Aspern Papers." My 
   father mentioned that a movie was made of that work ...

There's also a good opera of it, by Dominick Argento.  It has been
produced in a number of cities in the last few years.

Chris Brewster
cb@cray.com
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From: sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Sheila Herndon)
Subject: Re: utopias and distopias
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:42:23 GMT

<9209061421.AA07416@husc10.harvard.edu> nevins@husc.harvard.edu writes:

... What I'm really interested in is more modern utopia-writing, especially
>science-fiction: are there classic sci-fi utopia texts?

Ian Mcdonald >>Out on Blue Six<<
Pat Murphy >>The City, Not Long After<< (? perhaps doesn't fit category)

I think utopias and dystopias are a favorite science fiction subject. look
around.

There must be strict guidlines for defining utopian/dystopian stories
I suppose. Otherwise, any story with a "different" government that is
set forth as better or worse (different from what?) could be considered
a utopian or dystopian?
-- 
stark raving sane  sheilah@wam.umd.edu
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From: rickk@emu.com (Rick Kleffel)
Subject: Re: Lawrence Durrell
Summary: Another Who reminds
Organization: E-Mu Systems
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:13:10 GMT

I too, must concur.  The Lawrence Durrell books remain stuck in one's mind
long after others have faded away.  I particularly enjoyed the Tunc/Nunquam
books.

An author with a very similar feel is a guy named Edward Whittemore.  He's
just published four books to my knowledge, but they're as powerful and as
atmospheric as the Durrell Books.  If anyone can find copies of them for me,
I'd be willing to payk a generous/reasonable price.  These books include:

Quin's Shanghai Circus
 I have this one in a disintegrating paperback.  Would love HB or good cond pb.

Sinai Tapestry
 About the search for the original Bible which both confirms and denies the
beliefs of all religions (among other things).  Again, I have a pb of this,
and would love an hb.

Jerusalem Poker
 More followup to above two, though decidedly non-linear.  I don't have this
at all, and would welcome it in any form.

Nile Shadows
 I actually have this in HB.  The final novel in the (quartet).

These are remarkably well-written novels that are incorrectly compared to LOTR.
They're actually more like classic Vonnegut, Pynchon, Durrell (of course) or
perhaps Mervyn Peake.  If you can find them, read them, and if applicable,
send them to me when you're done!  Any takers/readers out there?

Rick Kleffel
From: tomeno@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (mary.p.siringo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Shakespeare
Keywords: Recommended Edition
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:14:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Hi -  I just wanted to thank everyone who
has responded to my inquiry about the
best one-volume edition of Shakespeare.
So far, all but one recommended the Riverside
Shakespeare.   One person suggested the Oxford
edition.   I have seen the Riverside advertised
recently in "The Common Reader" for $100 (two-volumes,
slipcased), and was wondering if that was an
outrageous price for this set.

Keep those cards and letters coming!

Mary S.
.
From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Damned lit yokels, heh heh
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:33:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep10.223351.13655
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


Someone who claims not to be james@brock.b17b.ingr.com (James Brock)
writes:


> Have any of you read my works?

     "Works," forsooth.  This person has written Works.  Gather 'round,
everyone.



> I must admit: I am a bit intrigued by this new technology. Imagine, I
> can communicate from my little shed, here in N.H., to the entire world!

     Would that be Nouvelle Huntsville or Huntsville du Nord?

                                               just asking,

                                                 -- jf


  P.S. Nancy Drew's a Hesychast too, but *she* doesn't pass out....
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:16035 misc.int-property:956
From: adam@soda.berkeley.edu (Adam J Richter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: moral right and copyright
Date: 11 Sep 1992 07:34:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep10.181453.20022@samba.oit.unc.edu> Herman.Woltring@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Herman Woltring) writes:
>The term "moral right" derives from the Berne Copyright (or, more
>appropriately) Author's Rights Convention ratified by the USA some
>years ago.

	I can't remember where I heard it, but I heard or maybe read
that the United States did not ratify the "moral rights" part of the
Berne Convention.  Here is a quotation on the related question of
whether the moral rights were ever enacted into law:

		The Berne Convention Implementation Act,
	however, amended the 1976 act only in minimal fashion,
	primarily to remove the barrier that the requirement of
	formalities had posed.  Congress, perhaps yielding to very
	strong opposition from publishing and broadcasting lobbies,
	was either unable or unwilling to include a moral-rights
	provision in the amendatory legislation.  After an unsuccessful
	effort to do so, the lawmakers simply announced that the
	United States already recognizes the author's moral rights
	and that no change was needed.

		L. Ray Patterson and Stanley W. Lindberg,
	  	_The Nature of Copyright: A Law of Users' Rights_, p. 167
		(c) 1991

	
	Elsewhere in their book, Patterson and Lindberg mention that
the Berne Convention is the oldest international copyright convention,
dating back to 1887.  According to the book, the United States joined
the Berne Convention in 1988.  This gives me hope that perhaps some
other administration will decide that we should leave the Berne
Convention and adopt (return to?) more modern copyright laws.

-- 
Adam J. Richter				409 Evelyn Avenue, Apt. 312
richter@cerf.net			Albany, CA 94706
					(510)528-3209
Another member of the League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu).
From: mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
Date: 11 Sep 1992 16:43:44 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacman.wpi.edu

In article <18l5u3INNdom@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White) writes:
>
>
>I apoligize if this is the wrong area to post this message, but I was
>wondering if there's a forum on USENET dedicated to the works of
>Arthur Conan Doyle, and in particular his fictional detective, Sherlock
>Holmes. If there is such an area could someone please point me in the
>right direction (i.e. where is it located)?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Bill White

No problem, Bill.   Go to alt.fan.holmes for the discussions you
seek!    The group is afoot!

--Margaret


Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Bernard Berenson
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:22:24 GMT

James P. H. Fuller writes:

	Francis Muir writes:

		Ms Zimmerman might help us explore this most expert of 
		all art experts.  In a sense he created the world of 
		Italian art as we know it today. His personal collection 
		was the most exquisite ever put together, not excepting
		that of the Romanovs.

	Kenneth Clark had some hard things to say in his autobiography 
	about Berenson's supposed practice of certifying the authenticity 
	and merit of various items for a fee.  Anything to this?

It must have been infuriating to Kenny Clark to be born into an England 
where taste for Italian Art had been defined by, of all things, an 
American. Since this is rec.arts.books, those intrigued by the subject
might begin by reading Berenson's *The Passionate Sightseer*, published 
in 1960 when Berenson was recently deceased at 94. Perhaps some of our
Haaahvud correspondents may have visited "I Tatti", Berenson's magnificent
home in the hills outside Florence which Berenson left to their learned
institution. Reports?

							Fido
From: yuf@sequent.com (Kyle Grieser)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Looking for a book:  _I am Legend_, Richard Mathieson
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:23:28 GMT
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.


My father has been looking for this book for about 20 years.  Does anyone
know anything about it?  I'd really appreciate any info you could give
me.  My dad says that he heard that it was re-published last year, yet
he still can't find it anywhere....

-yuf
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From: kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Ray Bradbury and American Airlines
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:24:31 GMT

From the Boston Globe, Sept. 8, 1992:

Flights of fantasy

Science fiction writer Ray Bradbury has joined the 
staff of the American Airlines' in-flight magazine,
American Way, as a contributing editor. Bradbury,
author of more than 40 novels including "The
Martian Chronicles" and Fahrenheit 451," will write
at least three articles for the publication. [p. 54]

All right, so Ray has a new job but didn't we just have a long thread
on Ray and the immortal Asimov that brought up the fact that Ray
doesn't fly? I'm not suggesting that Ray is a hypocrite for working
for American but what will the three articles be about? "Flying: it's
good for you but not for me." Other suggestions for Ray?

Keith



--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Keith Morgan		      | Criticism is prejudice made plausible.
kamorgan@athena.mit.edu       |                          H.L. Mencken
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: grady@public.BTR.COM ( )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Shakespeare (Single Volume Rec. Wanted)
Date: 5 Sep 92 02:04:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

Please note that the complete works of Wm Shakespeare
is available, free and in the public domain, from
Project Gutenberg or other archives.

If you can't ftp or want them on disk, please e-mail
me at grady@btr.com

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: jdeddy@rodan.acs.syr.edu (The Really Confused One)
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Organization: Siberacuse University, Siberacuse, NY
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 16:26:40 EDT

>+> >>} >>>>>>>IF THIS DOESN'T STOP, IM GOING TO START THE WORST CASCADE EVER.
>+> >>} >>>>>>WHILE EATING THIS SLOP, I SEWED THE FIRST BROCADE BEAVER.
>+> >>} >>>>>BILE FITTING RIG STOP, LIE SPEWED THIRST LIVER !!!!
>+> >>} >>>>IF YOU MUST CONTRIBUTE, AT LEAST DELIVER...
>+> >>} >>>WHO MAY I ATTRIBUTE TO THIS BEASTLY SLIVER?
>+> >>} >>TO SPAY A LUTE IN A GREASY RIVER
>+> >>} >DAMN CASCADERS THINK YOU'RE SO CLEVER
>+> >>} I WILL NOT CASCADE; NOPE, NO, NEVER
>+> >>WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, ON A TRAIN?
>+> >WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, IN THE RAIN?
>+> R2-D2 ON THE BRAIN?
>+OY, THE PAIN!
>BUT WITHOUT PAIN THERE BE NO GAIN!
Crazy Eddie, His prices _are_ insane....


 j "I dont believe I'm adding to this" d
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: A Pleasant Afternoon's Reading
Date: 15 Sep 1992 07:56:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

>Lauren L. Crawford writes:

>	Maciek Blasikiewicz writes:

>		One recent afternoon I chanced upon a novel by a 
>		relatively unknown Sierra Leone author Arnold Dunga 
>		and found it a thoroughly enjoyable read. The prose 
>		evoked for me images bathed in the light of the
>		setting sun, hues beveiled by crisp spring rays, blue 
>		sky, water lapping onto a beach, a yacht listing over 
>		wavelets whipped up by the rising afternoon breeze...

>	Well, he can't have been writing about Sierra Leone, then.  
>	Lepers, yes; yachts, no.  Lots of nice beaches, though.  What's 
>	the name of the book?

>One more statement like those two and you strike out. Hansen's Disease
>may have more victims in Louisiana than it does in Sierra leone. As to
>the yachts, Sierra Leone has one of the finest harbours on the West Coast 
>of Africa in Freetown, and several other smaller ports and navigable 
>estuaries. I would not hesitate to anchor a yacht off some of those 
>glorious beaches if I felt like a dip and the swell was reasonable.

>Freetown was founded by freed slaves whose descendants, the Creoles, still
>form about 25% of the population of Freetown.

>							Fido

Curiously, the scene described by Maciek is very similar to the one I
encountered while hiking along the open side of Dunk Island, tropical
Far North Queensland. Although there were no lepers there -- nor quokkas -- 
I did spot, through the haze of fluorescent blue butterflies amidst the
jungle undergrowth, a palm-sized bird whose call sounded uncannily like
that of R2D2... The beaches on the mainland, broad, flat, crocodile
infested and at times overgrown with mangroves, were hardly inhabited by
humans; in the tropical humidity, one could walk for hours ever further
northward towards the northern tip of the continent, and forget that anything 
else in the world even existed. The sound of small waves of the Coral Sea 
lapping onto the shore measured the time away from camp as the sun ascended to 
the vertical and shadows vanished -- my foot knocked something in the sand: it 
was a coin, Spanish, from the time of Phillip the IV'th, an envoy 
telling whoever found it of a past disaster, of a wreck buried somewhere 
beneath the tranquil blue water at the head of the reef.


Infidel.




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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:37:13 GMT



mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley) writes:
 
> No problem, Bill.   Go to alt.fan.holmes for the discussions you
> seek!    The group is afoot!
 
Hmmmm.  Sounds too pedestrian to me.  Well, I've been wrong before, perhaps is
is peripatetic, instead.
 
Mark
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: npr & freedom - WALDEN
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:00:42 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu writes:
> There is some quote by a greek thinker about how he will buy food if he
> has money left over from buying books.  Anyone know how it goes?  Or
> any good reading quotes appreciated.

There is an Icelandic proverb quoted in one of Halldor Laxness's books -
"The Fish Can Sing", I think:

	"Better shoeless than bookless".

(The middle-class equivalent would presumably be "better carless than
bookless" - I could easily run a car on what I spend on my book habit).

-- 
--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
INTERNET: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk or via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    FAX: 041 330 4913
BANG!net: via mcsun and uknet     BITNET: via UKACRL    UUCP: jack@glasgow.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:14:00 GMT

Mark Taranto writes...
>A friend and his wife, from Minnesota, were visiting this past weekend.
>I picked up her book.  On the back, it told me that it was about a group
>of women who came of age in a small town during the 60s, went on to have
>the kind of careers that the kind of men their mothers told them to marry
>had.  It promised film parties in Hollywood, the inside workings of the
>big networks in New York, and stately homes in New England.
>I opened it up and read the first paragraph, which was, indeed, the first
>sentence -- nea, the first word.  It was:
> 
>        Starfuckers!
> 
>I stopped reading.  I think that any book that starts with something like
>this should be put on my Must Avoid list.
>Mark
+-----------------------------------------SubG--------------------------------+
A similar opening can be found in Penelope Ashe's _Naked Came the Stranger_,
as ludicrous and lurid a novel as has been penned:

	Screwed.







"A screaming comes
 across the sky."
Yours etc.,




SubGenius

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: yarnot@csusac.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Organization: Moi?
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 01:42:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.223257.26217@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
[about only one of the brush wars to break out in the last week: can it be the
r.a.b.ble do not wish to see the end of summer?]
>
>
>That is all for today.  Since Miss Manners is already taken, I shall
>adopt the moniker of Ms. Officious Courtesy, even though it's mis-
>leading

Ms. Leading?  Would you make up your mind please?

(Ob. books: I've finished all the Jane Langton I picked up, and am *dying* to
go to a bookstore for more, but I have sworn off bookstores for at least 10 
more days, in the interest of staying married.  The Love book, _War is a Private
Matter_, is great good fun.)
-- 
---Jan Yarnot, net.grandma.-- | A lifetime of smirking behind your hand
                              | is a lot better than a few seconds of
                              | triumph.
CSUS depends on my every word.              Kinsella, _Box Socials_
From: jzimm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joann Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Encyclopedia Brit.
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:03:23 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep9.210547.20953@ncar.ucar.edu> chucks@uars2.acd.ucar.edu (Chuck Smythe) writes:

>I went shopping for a used Brittanica a number of years ago (Feynman had
>told us too many tales about its value as a research tool.)   Stagehouse II,
>the toniest of Boulder's used bookstores, had an 11th.  Wanted $1100 for it!
>I had heard of its virtues, but wanted a reference work, not an historical
>monument.  I later got a 1972 edition at the Aion Bookstore for about $200,

I obviously got the bargain of the century, what with our copy at a
dollar a volume, although I will admit that they're in rather tatty
condition, having been the star boarders on the library shelves of
Miss Somebody's Academy in San Francisco, from whence they were
eventually liberated to swell the coffers (although not at full
potential) of the San Francisco Public Library sale.

What sort of condition were these Britannicae in?


-- 
"But there is a limit to human patience; and of research, as of other
carnal pleasures, there cometh satiety at the last." 
                                                  --Bernard Berenson
 ...!cs.utexas.edu!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!jzimm
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:27:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten) writes:
>
>... even worse - ".... from a screenplay by .... "

And then there's 2001.  Clarke once said that the book should be
bylined "by Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick, based on the
screenplay by Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke" and contrariwise
the screenplay should be "by Stanely Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke,
adapted form the novel by Arhtur C. Clarke and Stanely Kubrick".

	The trivial Mr. E------
--

LNH@physics.arizona.edu          \  "What can be seen, heard, and learned, 
The insane don't need disclaimers \  this I prize." -- Heraclitus, #13
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: elusive allusion
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:25:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.225110.9396@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:

>Which is a superlative novel, if I may interject an empty value judgment
>here...the best horror novel set in Houston I've ever read.  (No, I
>don't think David Lindsey is all that good.)

My problem with David Lindsey is that, as an author, he seems to enjoy
the nasty things that happen to the victims in his mysteries a bit too
much.


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact 
mnemonic@eff.org| of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, 
(617) 864-0665  | both are transformed."
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Carl Jung 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:15:23 GMT

sometimes a Wombat writes:

	For opening sentences, there is always STEEL BEACH, John Varley's
	latest book:

		"In ten years, the penis will be obsolete," he said.

	or something like that.

Precisely why I started the androgenous thread which Baba, bless her
cotton socks, ascribed to Fiona "I'm no Doctor" Oceanstar