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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Re: Ex-CIA OFFICER STOCKWELL DESCRIBES THE CIA's NAZIISTIC TORTURE CHAMBERS
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 07:12:19 GMT


In the beginning post of this thread John Dinardo posts a
transcript by Kerry Miller of a presentation by John Stockwell.
Stockwell goes on for a while about the various evils he encountered
in his own CIA work, and then says:

     Now ripping apart the economic and social fabric is fairly textbookish.
What we're talking about is going in and deliberately creating conditions
where the farmer can't get his produce to market; where children can't go to
school; where women are terrified, inside their homes as well as outside;
where government administered programs grind to a complete halt; where the
hospitals are treating wounded people, instead of sick people; where
international capital is scared away and the country goes bankrupt.
<end Stockewll Quote>

Why does this sound so hauntingly familiar? Why do I keep getting a 
weird half-realized sense that I myself have lived in or around the
kind of conditions Stockwell is describing? I've lived my entire 
life right here in the good ole US of A. I've NEVER lived in one 
of those countries Stockwell is describing that has been targeted
for "destabilization". 


Have I???
From: gotcha@host.unknown (Judge Crater)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Christic Vows to keep fantisizing, etc.
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:58:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: cms.167C47024.MEDELMA
Organization: Wayne State University

In article <rich.702707978@pencil>
rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel) writes:
 
>
>In <167C1DA7B.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> you.talking.to.me.buddy (?) writes:
>>Myself, I thought the Christic setbacks were a wonderful demonstration
>>that perhaps the justice system *did* work. They tried to sue citizens
>>using fabricated "evidence" that was only backed up by their own books.
>
>You're very mistaken.  The costa rican government confirmed the bulk
>of the ci's case over two years ago.  Funny how most people don't seem
>to know this.
 
.and this is followed by a few news items regarding one John Hull, whom
the Costa Rican courts are alleged to have believed ran drugs. Not a word
about the bulk of the Christic case, which, frankly, was a flight of fancy.
They attempted to sue numerous government officials and private citizens
and gave no proof other than allegations in their own literature. They
tried to establish credibility through circular means- their books promoted
various people as references, the people backed up the books. In the end
was naught. If this Hull was involved in drug running it has little or
nothing to do with the Christic "case".
 
         --skeptical to the point of derisive laughter
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: "Anti-Semites" are Jew-haters, plain and simple
Originator: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu
Reply-To: pierce@cs.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 16:39:32 GMT

"Anti-Semite" is a far too polite, euphemistic way to refer
to Nazis like "Ralph Winston"/"Pete Faust". He/she/it is a
Jew-hater who dreams of being a Jew-killer.

What is the origin of the word "Anti-Semite" anyway?
It sounds like it must have been invented by a Jew-hater.

-- Brad

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: Hempless history - Can you help me?
Organization: Wayne State University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:09:34 GMT

In article <15930004@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>
jeffw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (jeff waldeck) writes:
 
>
>I 've heard that it was the synthetic plastics people (i.e.- DuPont et al)
>who needed a market to develope their new product, nylon. Since nylon
>could not compete with hemp on an even basis, the evil chemical companies
>convinced the government that hemp was the source of a very bad drug
>(marijuana), and therefore even though it was a very useful plant it
>should be outlawed. This occurred (as I recall) in the 30's.
>
>Read everything here with a big grain of salt - I can validate nothing.
>
>A good reference for your project might be "the emporer's new clothes"
>by Jack somebody. It is slanted pro-legalization, but has oodles of
>sources and copies of old news articles. Even give you a place to buy
>the old war film "Hemp for Victory" (not kidding!).
>
Too silly. Nylon was years away when the hempseed tax went into effect.
There were many other cheap natural fibers as well- flax, manila, etc.
And it wasn't made illegal- they just taxed the seeds. At the time, my
father and his brothers had a birdseed business going (!) and used
hempseed in the product.
 
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From: christic@cia.fbi.com (Fiorello LaGuardia)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: How To Kill--"The CIA's Secret Weapons Systems"
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:09:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: cms.167C472B2.MEDELMA
Organization: Wayne State University

Gee whiz. Our intrepid reported discovers that war is a dirty business, and
takes that, along with the claims of Bertrand Russell (who gave up philosophy,
which he was quite good at, for socialism, which he was not) and Ron Dellums,
another luminary, mixes in a hostile conversation with a reprinter of old
OSS manuals, and decides....what? That there's *something* going on, by gar,
and it's *got* to be a conspiracy!
 
Well, the world is full of these toys. The KGB has its cute ones, too. There's
the cyanide pen that was allegedly used to assasinate Stephen Bandera, the
umbrella gun, etc. But what's your point? Oh, right: The US is the devil
incarnate. I fergot, by golly.
 
        --there's one born every...
From: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Monster Raving Loony Party
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:05:39 GMT
Reply-To: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Distribution: alt
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <15930003@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>, hypes@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes) writes:
|> The Monster Raving Looney Party has been around for decades, and it's
|> delightful. One of their platforms a few years back was that, if
|> elected, they would plant all accountants in cement and use them as
|> highway dividers.
|> 
|> We do have our own versions here in the U.S. -- the Green Party, and the
|> Libertarian Party. They are every bit as looney; unfortunately, they are
|> nowhere near as funny, and they take themselves altogether seriously.
|> How sad.
|> 
|> - Gary Hypes -

Well, the Ny Demokrati in Sweden (That's New Democracy) actually got elected, even though the party was only about 8 month old. They are taking themselves very seriously, but not many other did, until they got elected. Now they don't do anythin, apart from saying and denying saying thinks like 'Dictatorship is a good thing.'...*It was better when the thirld world children were eaten by lions'...'We need a strong leader' ect. ect.

______________________________________________________________________________
Johan Lindqvist                     |Due to lack of interest, tomorrow
Gothenburg         Mail:            |has been cancelled.
Sweden      lindq@etek.chalmers.se  |
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: spies@are.everywhere (Hah!)
Subject: Re: UFO CONSPIRACY
Organization: Wayne State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:59:32 GMT

The "UFO CONSPIRACY" article provides a good example of how to tell when
someone is speaking unadulterated bullshit. The speaker attempts to
build his bona fides by claiming that he held a "TOP SECRET/MAGIC"
clearance and further, that this clearance allowed him to view any secret
document in the country.
 
Well, as anyone who has done the slightest bit of reading about the US
intelligence community could tell you, there's no such thing as a clearance
to read all top secret materials. Clearances are specific as to level and
subject. I.e., if I'm cleared Top Secret on project ALPHA, I have absolutely
no access to project BETA or any other project.
 
"MAGIC" sounds like a hush-hush spy code word, doesn't it? In fact, the
word shows up a lot in pseudo-intelligence fantasies and the spy thrillers.
It does have an interesting history going back to the Vietnam era, when
a member of the Johnson administration (I believe) was photographed holding
a document clearly marked "MAGIC". A lot of money was spent retrieving and
relabeling all the documents in project MAGIC according to a number of
popular writers on this topic. That's probably where the writer learned it.
 
The rest of the article is cute in how it blends together all the favorites
of the paranoics along with some cute logic. "With all I know, you'd think
they'd try to kill me. But they haven't because it would prove I'm right.
Therefore....because I haven't been killed, I must be right..."
 
I'm just surprised he didn't tell us where the saucermen took Judge Crater.
 
            --Simon Templer
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:6424 alt.censorship:3359 alt.discrimination:1649 soc.history:3655 sci.research:517
From: martin@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Martin Gorman)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,sci.research
Subject: Re: THE HOLOCAUST STORY:  HOW MUCH IS FALSE?  The Case for Open Debate
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:36:22 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <gate.60TyiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>, ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes:
>
> the U.S.  While the proceedings at Nuremberg were politically correct,
						    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There we have it. The last refuge of an incompetent right wing bigot with
nothing to say every time. Is he running out of steam at last?
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,sci.research,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
From: kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 02:03:20 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island

In article <gate.Be5RiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston),
continues his attempts to spread malicious lies and racial hatred by
regurgitating 7-year-old horseshit:

>[The following was written approx. 1985.  While reading it, please keep
>in mind that minority racism and majority racism are equally wrong.]

A new tack for Mr. "Winston", fully in keeping with the "New" KKK and
Neo-Nazi (Trash) programs to appear as friendly and reasonable folks
in order to revamp their somewhat shit-strewn image with the public...

>                          WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?

<yawn...> you forgot the CBC, nazi trash.... don't the, er, "Zionists"
own them as well?


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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Silence of the Lambs
Date: 17 Apr 1992 16:54:16 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: 's message of Friday, 17 Apr 1992 01:03:57 EDT

In article <92108.010357SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

   Silence of the Lambs was one cool flick.  I'll bet you Hannibal Lecter
   knows who shot Kennedy :-)...

I can just hear the dialogue:

``Tell me who shot Kennedy, Doctor!''

``Have you read the Warren Commission exhibits and testimony?  Well,
  I have.  Everything you need to catch him is right here in these pages.''

-30-
Bob
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: More answers on Holocaust (G. Martin)
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:14:20 GMT

In article <yk9uiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP# gmartin@b-cpu.UUCP (George Martin) writes:
#
# 
#??????????????????????????????????????????????
#?I didn't quote Prof. Bauer, and I didn't say that Prof. Chomsky
#?positively agreed with what we say.  About 1 year or more ago, I said
#?that Chomsky signed with others supporting the right of Prof.
#?Faurisson to say what he wanted. And that this IMPLIED agreement with
#?what Faurisson said.  I think you are getting me mixed up with someone
#?else.  Just like you get your ideas of the Holocaust mixed up.
#?Now who is the LIAR?
#????????????????????????????????????????????????

Note how "G. Martin" concludes that because Chomsky supported Faurisson's
right for free speech, this "implies agreement with what Faurisson said".
This gives a view into a Nazi's way of thinking, and shows what right
of free speech they would give if they were in power.

Chomsky naturaly does not agree with *anything* the revisionists say,
although he supports their right for free speech (I e-mailed with him
on this issue). But "G. Martin" cannot understand how someone can
support someone else's right to speak if he does not agree with him. How
revealing and how frightening.

-Danny Keren.



Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Let's all make $50,000 each
Organization: Wayne State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:15:43 GMT

Hey, do you suppose a bunch of us could coordinate our work together
to submit the findings of the court and each claim $50,000? Then when
the bozos refuse to pay we could start a class action suit, requesting
$50,000 each!
 
I propose that every interested party post a message quoting the court's
findings in Mermelstien v. Moron, and when payment isn't forthcoming,
we sue! Hey, this is better than the lottery.
 
    --mike
From: steinar@otello.solan.unit.no (Cindy Kandolf)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.discrimination,soc.history,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Want facts? "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA? The Alarming Fats"
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:01:28 GMT
	<1992Apr9.140221.20471@cs.brown.edu> <22950@goofy.Apple.COM>
Organization: Flodnak, Inc., Trondheim, Norway

Kent Sandvik writes:
>Yes, the majority of Danes and Norwegians didn't buy the 'Arian super-race'
>idea, something which I guess is another conspiracy done by the Zionists.

Careful.  You'll tempt them into actually giving us an explanation.

>I would like to know from someone of the Nazi-proposers why an Arian
>race invaded and killed other Arians. What was the rationale?

Oh, that ones easy.  Because the other Aryans didn't think they were
interested in being part of a Greater Germany and adding all those
blue-eyed genes to the gene pool.  They needed some, ummm, convincing.
The whole invasion was just thoughtfulness on the part of the Nazis,
to show the Danes and Norwegians that really, they did want to be part
of it.

Pardon me while i go throw up.

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:6427 talk.politics.misc:18489 soc.culture.filipino:1568 soc.history:3657
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.filipino,soc.history
Subject: Re: Did American Troops Kill 3 Million Filipinos?
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:10:50 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School

In <1992Apr16.001536.28671@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes:

>Basically the US decided
>that the natives of the Philippines were "not ready for self-rule" and
>decided on a policy of "benevolent assimilation" (though the
>benevolent part seems to have been lacking, and, in fact, it can't
>really be said that the Filipinos were assimilated into US culture, so
>I'm not sure what the point was.)  

The majority of Filipinos were not assimilated into US culture but the
collaborators who formed the ruling elite that ran the Philippines for the
US us to the Second World War and gained control of it after the end of
the war were heavily assimilated into US culture. They were educated in
the US and adopted all forms of US culture as 'superior' to their own.

Again, a comparison can be made to the educated elite in India who adopted
English culture after being educated abroad.

>I'm not the sort to be
>hypercritical of the US, and I'm more willing than most to accept that
>some mistakes will be made in the pursuit of a good cause, but here
>there doesn't seem to have been much of a cause at all.

I understand what you mean. A lot of the early mistake in Indochina by the
US are difficult to understand but the sentiments of many of the US
officials were very noble. In the Philippines the US seemed to adopt some
sort of bastardization of 'The White Man's Burden' and that is a cause
unworthy of the stated goals of the United States (city upon a hill and
all that).

>Just out of curiosity, can _anyone_ find _anything_ good to say
>about this war?

I doubt it. You would have to be a serious racist to find value in this
conflict. It was a bloody way to achieve what could have been done
peacefully.

-Geoff
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Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:6373 talk.politics.misc:18367 soc.culture.filipino:1551 soc.history:3633
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: "Anti-Semites" are Jew-haters: True, but show the relevence.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:09:00 -0500

 
 >What is the origin of the word "Anti-Semite" anyway?
 >It sounds like it must have been invented by a Jew-hater.

 RD> 	Or an Arab hater.


Or a Semite hater.




... Old musicians never die, they just decompose.
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From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: IHR Scores Stunning Victory in $11 Million Mermelstein Trial!
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:52:07 GMT

In article <gate.e30TiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP# ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes:

Hey, Ralphie, read this and WEEP, baby, WEEP!

************************************************************************
The Honorable Thomas T. Johnson, on October 9, 1981, took judicial
notice as follows:

  "Under Evidence Code Section 452(h), this court does take judicial
  notice of the fact that Jews were gassed to death at the Auschwitz
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  Concentration Camp in Poland during the summer of 1944" and "It just simply
  is a fact that falls within the definition of Evidence Code Section 452(h).
  It is not reasonably subject to dispute.  And it is capable of immediate
  and accurate determination by resort to sources of reasonably indisputable
  accuracy.  It is simply a fact."
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
************************************************************************

The IHR lost, and they paid 90,000$ to the person who took them to court.

So what is this "stunning victory" bullshit? Look:

#     On Thursday afternoon, Sept. 19, Mermelstein and his attorneys
#gave up what was left of their lawsuit, and voluntarily withdrew
#complaints of libel, conspiracy to inflict emotional distress and
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
#intentional infliction of emotional distress.  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Meaning - NOTHING to do with the existance of gas chambers, which was
proved in a different trial, in which some Nazi liars and frauds
were convicted.

Ever wonder why "Winston" and "Faust" *never* publish the name of the
person or institute offering the "50,000$ reward for proving gassing
took place"?. Simple enough: nobody is making that offer.

-Danny Keren.
 





Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: ccasm@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: <None>
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:49:21 GMT

In article <kuq02aINNohj@news.bbn.com>, ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) writes:
> In article <1992Apr15.183255.27865@swbatl.sbc.com> jburnes@swbatl.sbc.com (Jim Burnes - 235-7444) writes:
> 
>    dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon) writes:
>    > 
>    > An excerpt from an address, "Building a progressive agenda in 1992," by 
>    > Dr. Helen Caldicott, author of _Missile envy_ and _If you love this 
>    > planet_.
> 
>    >                          You have it by turning this country into a 
>    > democracy by having totally compulsory voting, as we do in Australia 
>    > [applause].
> 
>    Oh, no..thats not democracy...thats facism.

NOT if there is a choice of candidates and parties, and you can vote informal
anyway. All it does is ensure that people don't vote more than once and that
every voter exists.

 Besides how can a politician *claim* to be representative of the majority if
they only get 50% of a minority of the population? e.g. Bush may get 60% of the
vote but only 30% of eligible voters might vote, thus he might represent only
18% of the country! If you want to be part of a democracy the least you can do
is put a mark on a peice of paper every so often - hopefully you will come to
think about that action beforehand.

            Proof:  Australia is not a facist state, and I believe it was the
first country in the world to give women the vote. We never needed to ban the
communist party like some other countries - we are relatively stable and have
not had *any* political assassinations!!!. It works for us.

            Big Al.
From: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Birch society says foreign aid costs americans jobs
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:40:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr11.204016.15098
Reply-To: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, hcollings@vax1.umkc.edu () says:

>In article <1992Mar19.122615.14632@etek.chalmers.se>, lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist) writes:
>> In article <yi7sHB1w164w@cellar.org>, techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon) writes:
>> |> 
>> |>    FOREIGN AID ISN'T HUMANITARIAN AND DOES COST AMERICANS JOBS
>> |>    "Foreign aid has been permitted by the American people because it has a 
>> |> humanitarian ring to it. But nothingcould be further from the truth. there is 
>> |> nothing humanitarian about taking funds from working americans to give to 
>> |> crrupt and frequently ant-american governments."
>> 
>> STOP IT. 'Nothing humanitary'???? 
>> Of course giving money to thirld world countries is humanitar.
>> So what you're saying is:
>> 'Let the niggers starve. They're not american.'
>
>It appears at least to me that you have not properly interpreted the statement
>here.  If the money actually reached the people who needed it for food and
>housing and clothing and education then this would be humanitarian aid indeed.
>However too many times the aid is used to buy weapons to keep the ruling regime
>in power whether the people wish it or not.

THANK YOU for getting to the heart of the matter. May I recommend for a
really good introduction to this subject a couple of books:

Hancock, Graham.
   Lords of poverty : the power, prestige and corruption of the 
   international aid business. Atlantic Monthly Press, 1989.

George, Susan.
   A fate worse than debt. Grove Press, 1988.
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