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From: M23231@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Middle Class Hit Again in 1992 Tax Bill
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:21:35 GMT

In article <Bsu75p.8y7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>>lost. The average move for the middle class is said to cost $10,000-$15,000.
>>...
>
>I have never moved myself.  I would imagine if the moving cost is not
>provided by the new company, I would rather rent a big moving truck to
>do it myself.  Does it really cost that much to move?
Good Question. The answer was given in the Post article as averaging $10-$15K
or more. This pretty well fits what it cost to move my household goods from
Austin, TX to Syracuse, NY in 1989. Of course, there has to be a large sigma
on this--depends on how far, how much stuff, etc., but this is all beside the
point. Your gov't and mine is looking to capitalize on middle class woes once
again--and it is the Democrats this time doing it. The Republicans set us up
for the move by encouraging corporations to refinance, move off-shore, etc.
Newsgroups: misc.taxes
From: fsjm@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Joseph Mathew)
Subject: Tax treaty (INDIA)
Keywords: India, treaty, researchers
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:51:57 GMT




	I'd like some pointers from anyone familiar with the new tax
treaty with India.  In essence, income of a person who comes from India 
to teach, or do research of some interest/benefit to the general public
is exempt from federal tax as long as the stay does not exceed two years 
and the person was a resident of India prior to the visit.

	I was a graduate student till the middle of '90.  I've been on
the same job for the two years since then, and ending this month.  Since 
the job is different from the period that I was a student, I think I 
qualify for the exemption.  I did physically leave the country after 
graduation and return some weeks later to take up the position.

	However, (:-), (a) for tax years '89 and '90 I filed as resident
as the 5-year exempt period was up and (b) I remained on F1 status, 
practical training, till August of '91 and then switched to H1.  I know 
that as per definitions in the treaty, which the irs permits to supercede 
any existing definitions in the ir code, I have never been a resident of
the US---filing as a resident does not make me one, and by the applicable
law prior to the treaty, I was required to file as resident; a special
exempting ruling had to be obtained from the IRS to continue to file
as non-resident.  That I was on F1 status does not imply that my work
does not fit the exempt category.  I think it's reasonably clear that
I qualify, but does anyone have experience or a ruling that I can cite.

	Thanks.

-- 

Joseph Mathew

fsjm@bart.lerc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: misc.taxes
From: wicklund@intellistor.com (Tom Wicklund)
Subject: Re: Middle Class Hit Again in 1992 Tax Bill
Organization: Intellistor, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 17:07:29 GMT

In <DBROOKS.92Aug13213547@silver.lcs.mit.edu> dbrooks@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Deborah Ann Brooks) writes:

>I hate taxes as  much as the  next person,  but  why should the  government
>subsidize people's moving expenses?   I can  think of a  lot better uses of
>people's money that I would  sooner see  paid  in part by Uncle  Sam.  In a
>way, reducing or eliminating this deduction seems more fair.

It depends on how you look at it.

If a company pays to move you, either a new employer or required
transfer, it is considered income to the individual (even though you
don't receive any money).  For employer paid moves the deduction means
that a move is more or less tax neutral (the income is roughly offset
by the deduction).

This change in the law will mean that if you are transferred to a new
location, even if your move is paid by your employer, you'll get hit
with a $3000+ tax bill on average (using a $15000 cost, 28% tax
bracket, plus state income tax).  So either the taxpayer gets hit or
employers will have to pay on the order of $5000 to the employee to
make the move tax neutral.

Since this will tend to inhibit moves or push people toward cheaper
alternatives, another way to fight it is to let people in the moving
industry know about it.  Movers will be hurt by this change and have
an incentive to fight it.  They successfully prevented entry into
their industry for many years (through ICC regulations), they probably
still have some lobbying clout.
From: GORDONM%DENISON.BITNET@SHSU.edu (Michael Gordon)
Newsgroups: misc.taxes
Subject: Re: Tax Preparation Software
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:06:00 GMT
Organization: Fedtax-L<==>Misc.Taxes Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

>
>I have been going to a tax preparer for the last several years,
>because I have some rental property and initially didn't know how to
>take my depreciation and a few other odds and ends.  I now believe
>that I can make better use of the $110 that I spend on him each year.
>He provides me no advice, not tax strategy, just fills out the forms.
>
>I am thinking that I could do just as he does using TurboTax or
>MacInTax on my home computer.  Has anybody out there had experience
>with either one of these or any other tax preparation programs?  Do
>you have any gripes with them?  Are they detailed enough that I can
>use them for income property or a small business?  Are they priced
>competitively with using the services of a tax preparer?  Do you need
>to buy a new one each year, or do you get upgrades?
>
        Assuming you're a MAC user, takea look at MECA's TAXCUT, which is
coming out in a MAC version. The DOS version is superb, and--IMHO--much
superior to TurboTax.

Michael D. Gordon
gordonM@cc.denison.edu
Date sent:  19-AUG-1992 17:06:55
Newsgroups: misc.taxes
From: acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng)
Subject: Re: Info on a book "Taxation in Russia"
Originator: acheng@shalom.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 14:16:56 GMT


In article <ABX_vYgOT4@lomi.spb.su>, eldar@lomi.spb.su (Eldar A. Musaev) writes:
>
>                An unique information in an unique book
>                ---------------------------------------
>                |         Taxation in Russia          |
>                ---------------------------------------
>               by.Mrs.Galina Musaeva and Dr.Eldar Musaev
>
>The complete and reliable guide to the system of taxes in Russia, which
>had stabilized only in June 1992, reflected in tables, schemata, formulae
>and English text comppressed into 30 pages. The book covers all taxes,
>import/export and foreign investments policy. Future possible changes
>are supposed to be published in subsequent issues of "Taxation in
>Russia".

Only 30 pages for "all taxes, import/export and foreign investments"?
May be I used to the abuse from IRS.  Even the basic form 1040 (personal
income) instruction is thicker than that.  This book is either too
brief or the Russian IRS has much to learn from U.S.

>			   Taxation in Russia
>			by Galina & Eldar Musaev
>
>        If you wish to receive the book "Taxation in Russia", please,
>send this completed order form along with $23.-- per copy in cheque or
>money order drawn on USA bank to

$23 for a 30 pages book.  That is rather expensive.  And I personally
do not like to send money to a P.O. box, hoping the merchandise
will come later.  The posting is from an account at spb.su while
money is sent to Louisiana.  That is rather odd.

Finally, I just don't like to see commercial posting in misc.taxes.
It is not appropriate.  Just my opinion but I doubt the author of the
post reads this.

Newsgroups: misc.taxes
From: burgoyne@highlite.uucp (J. Robert Burgoyne)
Subject: Re: Middle Class Hit Again in 1992 Tax Bill
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:31:25 GMT

M23231@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
: The Republicans set us up
      ^^^^^^^^^^^ 
: for the move by encouraging corporations to refinance, move off-shore, etc.

Now just a darned minute. Capital moves to where it gets the greatest return
for a given amount of risk. So much capital has moved out of these United
States primarily because returns on capital are taxed so highly, and because
there are good opportunities overseas. An expensive workforce and a highly
regulatory environment make the US undesirable for many businesses. The
workforce is expensive because of many factors. Regulation comes from the 
democrats. Reagan did everything he could to get rid of burdensome regulation.

George Mitchell shoulders the blame for fillibustering attempts in 1990 to
reduce the capital gains tax rates. George Mitchell is a democrat. So is
our tax mastermind, Dan Rostenkowski, who doesn't even fill out his own
tax return.

Robert
From: joseph@emmax5crd.ge.com (joseph)
Newsgroups: misc.taxes
Subject: Re: Middle Class Hit Again in 1992 Tax Bill
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:06:01 GMT
Reply-To: joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com (joseph)
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Research


richter@mcc.com (Charlie Richter) writes:
>  2. Moving expenses have been taxed as income for many years.  I don't
>     understand why, but they have.  They were even taxed in the early
>     80's, when the Republicans had control of the White House and
>     Senate, and, with the Boll Weevils, had effective control of the
>     House.

  My understanding of it was that pre-1986 tax reform, company paid
  items (such as the money your company paid directly to a moving
  company for moving your household goods) were not reported as income.
  Even those items that were reported as income were deductible
  on form 1040 or 1040A, without itemizing.  The 1986 reforms
  eliminated both these provisions, ie, even if your company pays the
  mover directly, it is reported as income on your W-2, AND, you
  cannot deduct it unless you itemize.

  james joseph             joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.taxes
From: covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert)
Subject: Re: Middle Class Hit Again in 1992 Tax Bill
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:32:44 GMT

In article <22215@venera.isi.edu> tar@isi.edu writes:
>In article ... dbrooks@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Deborah Ann Brooks) asks:
>
> > ... why should the  government subsidize people's moving expenses?
> > ...
> > Deborah Ann Brooks
> > dbrooks@silver.lcs.mit.edu
>
>Why should the costs of moving be considered part of someone's income?
>If your company transfers you to a location in another state, why
>should the cost of moving to stay with your job be considered taxable
>income?


Why should it be taxable?

Because your GREEDY GREEDY governement needs moeny to pay off
all the promises that Clinton/Clinton & Gore are making to
every Union, Big City Democrat Mayor etc!!

It will be taxed because it is an easy way for the Damned Democrats
to get back at those EVIL EVIL EVIL Rich People. Obviously anyone
who gets paid to relocate is a Rich Republican and those DESERVES
to be TAXED!!

So VOTE DEMOCRAT this Novemner and be prepared to get AXED next April!!

-- 
Richard E. Covert                 covert@cactus.org
CACTUS                  ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert 
Newsgroups: misc.taxes
From: acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng)
Subject: Re: Middle Class Hit Again in 1992 Tax Bill
Originator: acheng@shalom.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:56:58 GMT


In article <1992Aug21.012744.23096@PA.dec.com>, pettigrew_mi@ripple.enet.dec.com (Mike Pettigrew) writes:
>   Any form of moving expense reimbursement from an employer is treated
>   as taxable income to the employee.  Did you set aside 28% of the total
>   reimbursement amount for the April 15 tax payment?  Does your employer
>   give you an extra "tax adder payment"?  Don't forget!

I bet next year those greedy politicians will require the employers
to withhold tax on the moving reimbursement.  They then can turn around
to hand them out to buy votes to secure their tax-free job and that
hefty retirement.

>    That is why moving expenses should be completely tax deductable, up to
>    some realistic limit.
>
>
>    Here is a very cheap move budget for a homeowner:
>
>
>        $  4,000    Household goods move
>        $ 15,000    Real Estate fees and taxes on house sale
>        $  1,000    Travel expense to new location
>        $  2,000    House Hunting and temporary living
>        $  3,000    Fees for new home purchase.
>                    (assuming you can still afford one)
>        =========
>          25,000    Total Moving Expenses (Cheap!)

I don't see why real estate related cost should be count as part of
the moving cost.  True, it is move related but that really belong to
the cost base of the house and can be deducted from the capital gain
calculation.  With mortage interest break already, I don't see why
Uncle Sam should hand out another break for the house.
From: boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Boaz Ben-Zvi)
Newsgroups: misc.taxes
Subject: Re: donations to charitie
Date: 16 Aug 92 18:02:16 GMT
Reply-To: boaz@lcs.mit.edu
Distribution: misc
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT

In article <199214.1302.3099@execnet>, hilary.miller@execnet.com (hilary miller) writes:

|> YF>| I would like to donate some items to charity .... 
|>    | for tax deduction purposes.
|> 
|>                You must have a receipt and, if the items are of
|>                any substantial value, an appraisal.  You fill out
|>                the proper schedule for contributions of property
|>                and attach it to your Form 1040.  You are limited
|>                to a deduction for their fair market value at the
|>                time of the gift.

A question: If one donates some real estate, can the base value (purchase
price) be considered as the value of the donation ?  With the current
slump in the RE market, the fair market value may be less than that ...
On the other hand, if that RE is sold at a higher price, one is only taxed
on the portion above that same base value.

-- Boaz

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From: tomevans@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: misc.taxes
Subject: Re: Middle Class Hit Again in 1992 Tax Bill
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:55:24 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In  <CARL.92Aug16141815@atlantis.Cayman.COM>  carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl) writes:
>
> >I have never moved myself.  I would imagine if the moving cost is not
> >provided by the new company, I would rather rent a big moving truck to
> >do it myself.  Does it really cost that much to move?
>
> Easy to say.  Not as easy to do.  If my wife and I were to move we
> would need more than a 24' truck, the biggest that you can drive with
> a "standard" auto license (class 1 or class 3, I forget which one).
>
Your making the assumption that everyone lives in an apartment, for those who
don't there are: realtor fees, closing costs on the new house, a large truck
for all a house can hold, the house hunting trip to new location, temporary
living expenses, various installation fees for cable, phone, new vehicle
registration fees, etc etc
Tom
Newsgroups: misc.taxes
From: gjw@access.digex.com (Gregory Watson)
Subject: Re: Where to find state tax rates?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:42:22 GMT

In article <1698mjINN9pp@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Mark Griffin) writes:
>Is there someplace that I can get a list of state tax rates for individual
>states.  I would like this to include state income tax, personal property tax,
>and sales tax rates.  I am especially interested in midwest states like
>Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Missouri.  Thanks for any info.
>
>-- 
>.   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .  .
>Mark Griffin, Sys Admin, Fort Hays State University      |It is always better to
>Internet:mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu Bitnet:mgriffin@ksuvm |do, than be done to.
>.   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .  .

	It is published in _Significant Features of Fiscal Federalism,
Volume I_, various years.  It is produced by the U.S. Advisory
Commission on Intergovernmental Relations.  A good library should have
the book, or they can be reached at (202) 653-5540.

	Or, if you are willing to wait a little while, I can look it
up in my copy.

	Disclaimer: I am a former employee of ACIR, and naturally do
not speak for them.  I merely helped put together Volume II for the
past two years along with answering peoples questions about both
volumes.

			Gregory Watson
			gjw@access.digex.com (preferable)
			gjw1@midway.uchicago.edu (if the above fails)

Newsgroups: misc.taxes
From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: mail-order taxation
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:05:01 GMT

In <Bt6J5C.2xG@doppler.ncsc.org>, Kevin Moore writes:

>>I recently read that the Supreme Court has ruled that out-of-state mail
>>orders cannot be taxed by individual states unless Congress legislates
>>it. My state (North Carolina) requires that individuals pay state tax
>>on all mail orders. I assume that I can just ignore this requirement
>>for mail orders which are to out-of-state mail order houses. Does anyone
>>know of any other implications of this decision?

If my understanding is correct, I have heard that interstate mail-order sales
can not be taxed unless the you are doing business with a company which has a
presence in your state.  For example, let's say you order 100 widgets from the
XYZ Company.  If XYZ does *not* have stores in North Carolina, then you would
not owe the tax.  If XYZ *does* have stores in NC, then the assumption is that
you could also purchase the widgets from XYZ in NC, and hence the tax must be
paid.  This is particularly pertinent if you order from department stores which
have catalog sales *and* showroom sales sites.

This is how I understood it a couple of years ago.  This may or may not be the
case now.

Tim Irvin   j056600@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
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Subject: Re: Middle Class Hit Again in 1992 Tax Bill
Organization: MCC, Austin, TX
            <1992Aug18.223244.11969@cactus.org>
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:58:57 GMT
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> Why should it be taxable?
>
> Because your GREEDY GREEDY governement needs moeny to pay off
> all the promises that Clinton/Clinton & Gore are making to
> every Union, Big City Democrat Mayor etc!!

Two things:

  1. Get this out of misc.taxes!  This is not the place for these kinds
     of discussions.

  2. Moving expenses have been taxed as income for many years.  I don't
     understand why, but they have.  They were even taxed in the early
     80's, when the Republicans had control of the White House and
     Senate, and, with the Boll Weevils, had effective control of the
     House.
--
Charlie Richter   MCC   Austin, Texas
  uucp: richter@milano.uucp     arpa: richter@mcc.com
"The panic ... was not due to anything fundamentally weak in either business
   or finance.  It was confined to the market itself."   - WSJ, Oct. 31, 1929
Newsgroups: misc.taxes
From: richter@mcc.com (Charlie Richter)
Subject: Re: Middle Class Hit Again in 1992 Tax Bill
Organization: MCC, Austin, TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:58:57 GMT

> Why should it be taxable?
> 
> Because your GREEDY GREEDY governement needs moeny to pay off
> all the promises that Clinton/Clinton & Gore are making to
> every Union, Big City Democrat Mayor etc!!

Two things:

  1. Get this out of misc.taxes!  This is not the place for these kinds
     of discussions.

  2. Moving expenses have been taxed as income for many years.  I don't
     understand why, but they have.  They were even taxed in the early
     80's, when the Republicans had control of the White House and
     Senate, and, with the Boll Weevils, had effective control of the
     House.
-- 
Charlie Richter   MCC   Austin, Texas
  uucp: richter@milano.uucp     arpa: richter@mcc.com
"The panic ... was not due to anything fundamentally weak in either business
   or finance.  It was confined to the market itself."   - WSJ, Oct. 31, 1929
From: rdyreng@logdis1.oo.aflc.af.mil (Russell I. Dyreng;OO-ALC/LILE-1)
Newsgroups: misc.taxes
Subject: Tax Preparation Software
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 09:31:34 -0700
Organization: Fedtax-L<==>Misc.Taxes Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

I have been going to a tax preparer for the last several years,
because I have some rental property and initially didn't know how to
take my depreciation and a few other odds and ends.  I now believe
that I can make better use of the $110 that I spend on him each year.
He provides me no advice, not tax strategy, just fills out the forms.

I am thinking that I could do just as he does using TurboTax or
MacInTax on my home computer.  Has anybody out there had experience
with either one of these or any other tax preparation programs?  Do
you have any gripes with them?  Are they detailed enough that I can
use them for income property or a small business?  Are they priced
competitively with using the services of a tax preparer?  Do you need
to buy a new one each year, or do you get upgrades?

Please share any experiences you have had with these types of
programs.

Thanks,

Russ
Newsgroups: misc.taxes
From: M23231@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Middle Class Hit Again in 1992 Tax Bill
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:15:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.201057.10739@crd.ge.com>
krisciun@sheepdip.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Joe Krisciunas) writes:
 
>
>|> tax bills starting in 1986. This year his bill would limit the moving expense
>|> deduction for families to $5,000. ... [ stuff deleted]
>
>Can you provide more detailed reference when describing such a bill?
>That way, when someone who cares enough to bitch sees the posting, they
>have a way of referencing the bill that you are upset about when writing
>to their representatives.  Thanks.
>
**********
This is **THE** House Ways & Means Committee Tax bill of 1992. There is only
one. I do not know the bill number, but you don't really need it to identify
this bill. REF: Wash. Post 18 July 1992, p E20.
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