HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Pinball moving sale
Summary: Pinball machines for sale
Keywords: Pinball
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:59:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Aug18.225909.20086
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon


 
We're moving but don't want to move thses machines up and down the stairs. 
Everything must go!  These prices aren't fixed - make an offer.


Charlie's Angels: A 1979 Gottlieb electronic pinball homage to 1970's television.
                  Backglass and playfield perfect.

                  $300.00

Solar Ride:     A 1979 Gottlieb electronic pinball space theme. Great playfield graphics.
                Backglass perfect, some playfield wear.

                $300.00

Pinball Pool:   1979 Gottlieb electronic 8-ball pool theme. Lots of drop targets to shoot at.
                Backglass and playfield perfect.

                $350.00


Flash!:         1979 Williams electronic. Great sound, fast play.
                Backglass and playfield in good condition.

                $500.00


All have been recently refurbished: playfields cleaned and waxed, rubbers
replaced, contacts cleaned.



E-mail to kenr@lmc.com or call (503) 645-7359


Ken Richards.


-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
   Ken Richards        |                | It's tragic that families can be 
 Logic Modeling Corp   |  kenr@lmc.com  | torn apart by something as simple
                       |                | as wild dogs.
From: cafer@etek.chalmers.se (Tommy Vaske)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: TAFFAQ and Time Line
Date: 15 Aug 92 12:04:40 GMT
Reply-To: cafer@etek.chalmers.se (Tommy Vaske)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

1) Have been away from the net for a couple of months.
   I saw some comments on a TAF FAQ, but if it has been posted,
   it's expired at my site. I'm also interested in "complete guide
   on how to score on FAQ" and "complete TAF sample list" if there
   are any such. Please repost or mail me!

2) Me and a friend of mine have some problems with a Time Line
   (Gottlieb, early 80's, methinx). At Power-on, when the drop
   target setup solenoids should fire, they don't. We have fixed
   some minor visible damages, such as disconnected diodes, but
   this seems to be harder to spot. (Anything else seems to work,
   except for a kind of primitive kick-out.)
 
   Any tips/hints/manuals/schematics/total service sessions
   gladly appreciated... ::-)
 


--tommy 
*************************************************************
*       semper idem!        *     "O Frabjous Day!          * 
*  cafer@etek.chalmers.se   *      Callooh! Callay!"   -L.C.*
*************************************************************
 
 "Now you've dunnit!!!"
From: yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: A Hardware Question
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:41:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Aug23.154138.13347
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug22.223725.4578@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu (Dan Delany) writes:
>Looking through _Lure Of The Silver Ball_, I noticed that many old pins had
>what looks like a second plunger handle, located just below the main
>plunger.  Can anybody shed some light on what this was?
>
>-- 
>dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu                                             Dan Delany
>   "Nothing takes the taste out of peanut butter quite like unrequited love."
>     -- Charlie Brown

Older machine did not have an automatic kick out for the ball to the plunger. 
this other handle was used to bring the ball to the plunger. I have never
played a game lik ethis being to young, but maybe one of the posters that 
has one at home can give more details (Mike?).

Don Coons
dwc@wnb3b2.att.com
From: michael@uk.ac.oxford.robots (& Stevens)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Haunted House Problem!
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:36:06 GMT
Organization: Dept. Engineering Science, Oxford University, UK
In-reply-to: overturf@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com's message of 11 Aug 92 22:50:27 GMT

In article <5502@transfer.stratus.com> overturf@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Dallas Overturf) writes:

   << Orin's description of his problem with Haunted House >>

 > Yup!  Your problem sounds like an intermittent problem in 
 > the power supply since nothing was consistent.

I had exactly the same problem on my Haunted House as Orin had, some
six months ago. I also traced it to the same capacitor as Dallas describes.

Maybe I should collect a list of FOP's (frequently occuring problems)
for particular machines or manufactures. One example would be the
batteries on old Ballys leaking all over the main logic board.

I would galdly collect together a list of FOP's to be posted here. So
if you have any (hopefully with solutions) mail me and I will summaries.

Michael Stevens, Robotics Research Group,Dept of Engineering Science,Oxford,UK
INTERNET: michael@robots.oxford.ac.uk
--
Michael Stevens, Robotics Research Group,Dept of Engineering Science,Oxford,UK
INTERNET: michael@robots.oxford.ac.uk
From: ung@felix.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Anyone get PINBALL FLASHBACKS?
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:24:23 GMT
Reply-To: ung@fritz.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

In article <Bsz460.9t4@news.udel.edu> jeremym@ravel.udel.edu (Jeremy A Moskowitz) writes:
|When you guys are just going to sleep after playing however many
|dollars of pinball (in my case TAF) do you all get
|pinball flashbacks? I mean, do you see yourself looking over the table
| - making your hardest shots, draining, getting skill shots (skull shots)
|etc? 
|
|I told this to my friend Chris, and he thought I was nuts - until
|it happened to him.
|
|It happens when 
|	1) You play around $5 worth
|	2) You haven't slept your fill before playing
|
|Anyone else?

I think mine was coupled with playing a few too many dollars worth and
being slightly sick ... I might have been sick or I might have just been
tired (ie: #2 above).

I'd just gotten back from the pinball arcade, playing a few rounds with
THE MACHINE: BRIDE OF PINBOT.  In my dream, I was being chased around
the playfield by a huge silver ball.  I remember being in an inlane ...
that's really about it.  After that, I stayed away from pinball for
probably a good month.  I took it as a sign that maybe I was spending
a little too much time watching silver balls bounce around.

|     // Email: jeremym@brahms.udel.edu------\  Monitor of---------------\
|    //  Registered Commodore Amiga Developer|  Comp.sys.amiga.EMULATIONS| 
|\\ //                    This is the Nineties Hamton - -
| \X/            Go get a bank loan, and buy yourself a clue!

Bill Ung
  ung@filenet.com

Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: larry@chinet.chi.il.us (Larry DeMar)
Subject: Re: Anyone get PINBALL FLASHBACKS?
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:05:04 GMT

In article <Bsz460.9t4@news.udel.edu> jeremym@ravel.udel.edu (Jeremy A Moskowitz) writes:
>When you guys are just going to sleep after playing however many
>dollars of pinball (in my case TAF) do you all get
>pinball flashbacks? I mean, do you see yourself looking over the table
> - making your hardest shots, draining, getting skill shots (skull shots)
>etc? 
>
>Anyone else?

Yep.
 
First happened to me playing Wizard when it was brand new
(around 1975).
-- 
------------------------------------------
Email:  chinet!larry@clout.uchicago.edu
From: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Posting pix of pins?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 01:04:21 EDT
Organization: Lost In Space

jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke) writes:

> In article <1992Aug16.121440.25408@encore.com>, mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palm
> >
> > Sounds like a great idea.
>
> I agree, but I vote that we standardize on JPEG format.  JPEG files are much
> smaller in size then equivalent GIF files and can have 24 bit color as well.
> There is at least one freeware JPEG viewer for the Mac, I presume that there
> are similar programs for other computers.

I hate to be a party-pooper, but ...

What does the charter for this group say about posting uuencoded binary
files?  A uuencoded JPEG may be smaller than a uuencoded GIF, but either
one is going to be much larger than the typical article in this group.  I
don't know about the rest of you, but I'll have serious disk space problems
if this group becomes loaded with picture files (not to mention what it
will do to my monthly UUNET bill).

Technically, alt.binaries.pictures.misc is the proper place for the pix.
Since many people don't get a.b.p.*, perhaps someone can set up an FTP
or mail-server site to store them in so we can all get them if/when we
want them.

--
Tony DeBari          FQDN: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us     CI$: 73117,452
                     UUCP: ...!uunet!ssc60!tonyd      *P*: GHRW14B

"First things first ... but not necessarily in that order" - The Doctor
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com (Daina Pettit)
Subject: Re: Jensen's "PB Troubleshooting Guide" info and review
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:15:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.171333.10604@panix.com> bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman) writes:
Somewhat negative review deleted.

I had no training in repairing EM or any other pinball machines, or any
electrical device prior to reading this book.  I found Russ's style
interesting and informative.  I've read plenty of technical books that are
so poorly written that the books are good only for reference.  Russ's guide
is more of a tutorial than a reference work, and as such I was very pleased
with it.  Reading it helped me understand switches, relays, motors, and how
to read a schematic.  This is information I have not been able to find
elsewhere.  

I bought the book 2 years ago for $15 before the second printing, which
was more expensive.  I would still buy the book today even for its current
price of $20.
-- 
  Daina Pettit  (801) 582-5847  dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com   
  Evans & Sutherland  600 Komas Drive, SLC, UT  84108
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com (Daina Pettit)
Subject: Re: Playfield Repairs
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:30:56 GMT

In article <Bt7Iww.CFE@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> ijr@canard.uwaterloo.ca (Ilana Jayne Rosenshein) writes:
>Hi folx,  
>
>I have a Black Knight whose upper playfield is in bad shape...
>The painting part isn't too bad, but I need suggestions on
>what to use to fill in the gouges by the kickout.  I managed to
>fill a few spots with multiple coats of paint, but these
>are about 1/4" deep in spots... I am afraid that whatever I 
>fill the gouges with will break loose when the ball hits it.
>Does anyone have any suggestions for fixing this sort of damage?
Whatever you use to fill the holes with may not matter, because your paint
will soon chip off again anyway.  Once you fill the holes/divots and paint
it to your satisfaction (and it has dried) apply a smail spot of
self-adhesive clear mylar over the repaired area.  Now you don't have to
worry about the divots being recreated.  BTW it is best to trim the mylar,
prior to application, so that is remains as inconspicuous as possible.  On
the upper kickout on BK the area is not very visible anyway so this is no
big deal.  Some machines have some artwork that you can match the edge of a
line with the edge of the mylar, so it hides well.
-- 
  Daina Pettit  (801) 582-5847  dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com   
  Evans & Sutherland  600 Komas Drive, SLC, UT  84108
From: Russell_Owsianski@mindlink.bc.ca (Russell Owsianski)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Posting pix of pins?
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:59:31 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

What does the rest of r.g.p. think about the idea of posting scanned pictures
of pins?  I've noticed that every now and then someone will mention a machine
that
I've never seen, and I'd like to know what they look like.

It would probably be more appropriate to post them to alt.binaries.pictures
(and then post a list of them to r.g.p.), but I've heard that some sites do
not receive a.b.p.  I'm thinking more about machines in people's private
collections (since you'd probably have to take the glass off to get a good shot
of the playfield.

I'd also like to see pictures of backglass art.

What do you think?

---

        "Swim Ye Bilge Rat!!"
From: larryj@countach.telcom.tek.com (Larry Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Jungle Princess machine
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:01:19 GMT
Reply-To: larryj@countach.telcom.tek.com (Larry Johnson)
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

Thanks to everyone who responded to my posting for info about a Jungle
Princess machine. I actually saw the machine yesterday in a place here in
Portland, Oregon - the very one that I saw listed in the Sunday paper for
$100 (the dealer paid $92 for it and will resell it for $500-600.) As
clean as it looked, I guess I should have bought it first, asked questions
about it second.
I see used machines here going for what seem to be pretty high prices 
compared to what I read about here on the net. I'm looking at a used
"Fireball" multi-ball unit ($700), an "8-Ball" (fairly worn playfield, etc.
for ~$700), and some EM's for $500-600. A used KISS just sold for about
$12-1300 which had a playfield that had major worn out areas.

Thanks again to all who responded.


Larry Johnson
K7LJ
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: kak1@cypress31.cray.com (Kevin Kramer)
Subject: Re: Anyone get PINBALL FLASHBACKS?
Originator: kak1@cypress31
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:35:29 CDT


This has never happened to me with pinball, but when I became a
hopeless Tetris addict I couldn't sleep because I would be playing
tetris in my mind all night.  It was horrible, I thought I was nuts
until my friend said the same. (just as in your case, good thing
we have friends that are as screwed up as we are :-)  I must
has played over a million games of tetris that year, either real
or imagined.

Kevin
From: overturf@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Dallas Overturf)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle (Williams '84) Problem
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:59:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Aug13.213758.3575@darwin.ntu.edu.au> nagy_r@darwin.ntu.edu.au writes:
>Hi Folks,
>I have just aquired a 1984 (or so) Williams Space Shuttle.  Has a few minor
>problems which need clearing up.  The one which currently has me beat is
>to do with some of the playfield lighting.  The line from 1J7-5 (Yel-Blk)
>does not appear to be strobing.  Where should I look for the problem?
>Is it going to be the PIA?  Or is it more likely to be the transistor driver
>pair Q26 (TIP42) & Q18 (2N6427)?  All these facts and figures are
>taken from the williams schematics.
>
>Any help would be appreciated as I'd like to get this sorted out as
>soon as possible.  If it makes any difference, that particular line seemed
>to work ok for the first five minutes after intial powerup, then it slowly
>faded into oblivion.  (It's gotta be a transistor, right?)
>
>Robert

It is unlikely that the PIA is your problem though not impossible.
I don't have scematics for that system; however typically WMS had
the ouputs of the PIA to the transistors through a buffer chip then
the the transistors.  Put the game into the lamp test and if you
know how to use a volt meter you can use it to check the base of 
each transitor (it should be pulsing from the self test).  If it
is not follow the signal back to its origin which will eventually
lead you to the PIA.  Note if the base of either of the two
tranistors is pusling, change them both.  At least one of them
is bad.

If you are not familiar with this type of procedure but can solder
well, then you can try pulling both transistors and seeing if that
will fix it.  (it will 80-90% of the time).  Sometimes the buffer
after the PIA is the problem however and there is a resistor or
two that can also be bad.
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman)
Subject: Re: Playfield Repairs
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:04:27 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <Bt7Iww.CFE@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> ijr@canard.uwaterloo.ca (Ilana Jayne Rosenshein) writes:
>Hi folx,  
>
>I have a Black Knight whose upper playfield is in bad shape...
>The painting part isn't too bad, but I need suggestions on
>what to use to fill in the gouges by the kickout.  I managed to
>fill a few spots with multiple coats of paint, but these
>are about 1/4" deep in spots... I am afraid that whatever I 
>fill the gouges with will break loose when the ball hits it.
>Does anyone have any suggestions for fixing this sort of damage?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>SMiles!
>
>Ilana

I suggest auto-body filler (Bondo). This 2-part fiberglass
resin material is extremely strong, adheres beautifully to
wood, and is workable with ordinary hand and power carpentry
tools. It _will_ hold up. Be aware that:
	1. You should apply it to bare wood.
	2. You should do as much forming/shaping before it
		fully cured as possible.
	3. The hardness/density of the material means that
		finishing sanding by hand is difficult, and
		a considerable area around the repair may
		need to be repainted.
	4. The solvents may attack some plastics.
	5. Bondo takes paint very well. You can get a better
		paint finish on Bondo than on wood.
	6. I have never used it on a pinabll machine, but
		have used Bondo for many repairs on
		wooded/plastic/metal surfaces with high
		wear.

You might also want to consider various "Wood Putty"
products. These are plasitic putty-like fillers designed to
repair/hide holes in wood (screw holes, etc.). These are not
quite as durable as Bondo, and do not always adhere as well,
but they are easier to work.

Let me know what you do. I'm considering the above in the
repair of my game.

----
Mark Bergman
718-855-9148

bergman@panix.com
{cmcl2,psi,uunet,apple}!panix!bergman
From: cavers@menudo.uh.edu (Chris M. Cavers)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Houston
Summary: Anyone have a list of good places to play pins in Houston?
Date: 17 Aug 92 07:24:42 GMT
Organization: University of Houston

Anyone have a list/description of decent places to play pins 
in Houston, Texas?
From: ung@felix.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Posting pix of pins?
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:34:36 GMT
Reply-To: ung@fritz.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Distribution: usa
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Aug16.170239.14819@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke) writes:
|In article <1992Aug16.121440.25408@encore.com>, mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) writes:
|| 
|| Sounds like a great idea.
|| 
|
|I agree, but I vote that we standardize on JPEG format.  JPEG files are much
|smaller in size then equivalent GIF files and can have 24 bit color as well.
|There is at least one freeware JPEG viewer for the Mac, I presume that there
|are similar programs for other computers.

I'm on an IBM clone, I know JPEG exists for IBM but as far as I know, it
isn't real convenient for me.  There's probably an IBM JPEG PD utility,
might someone have one they can make publicly available (or send me?)

Bill Ung
  ung@filenet.com
From: sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol)
Reply-To: sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Lethal Cows
Organization: The Tiny Software Company, Main Office, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 01:32:21 

bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu writes:

>|>Elton John - Pinball Wizard (Party Zone)

AAACK! This is NOT Elton John's song... This is a cover (albeit a cool cover) 
of the Who's song from the rock opera _Tommy_. (Which incidentally was 
about an "idiot savant", like Dustin Hoffman's character in _Rain Man_, 
whose one strength was playing pinball.)

Which is not to say that Elton John's version is bad, it's actually quite
interesting. I do like the original better.

"Ever since I was a young boy
 I've played the silver balls
 From SoHo down to Bryden
 I must have played 'em all.
 I've never seen nothing like him
 In any amusement hall;
 That deaf, dumb and blind kid
 Sure plays a mean pinball."

*--TechnoGeek--*

-- 
***  **  ** | The Tiny Software Co.  23707 Glenhill  Cleveland OH 44122
 *  *   *   | Steve Sobol * President * sjsobol@tiny.com or tiny!sjsobol 
 *   *  *   | Alternate addresses: sjsobol@wariat.org or ag510@po.cwru.edu
 *    * *   | Disclaimer: I *AM* the Tiny Software Company. 
 *  **   ** | **Welcome to Ohio, the Land of the Orange Construction Barrel**
From: jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Posting pix of pins?
Date: 16 Aug 92 17:02:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <1992Aug16.121440.25408@encore.com>, mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) writes:
> 
> Sounds like a great idea.
> 

I agree, but I vote that we standardize on JPEG format.  JPEG files are much
smaller in size then equivalent GIF files and can have 24 bit color as well.
There is at least one freeware JPEG viewer for the Mac, I presume that there
are similar programs for other computers.

Steve
From: pazar@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Steve Pazar)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:01:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Playfield Repairs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball

Ilana,
  I haven't tried it myself, but I know of others that have used Bondo...
  yup, the stuff used to fix dents in auto bodywork. It is designed to
  stick, and won't shrink. It'll accept paint without much preparation
  as an added bonus! If you do use the stuff, let us know how it works.

		     Steve Pazar
		     pazar@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com
From: gkwan@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Greg Kwan)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Lethal Cows
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:47:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <SBB.92Aug18210657@panix.com> sbb@panix.com (Steve Baumgarten) writes:

>You know you have to shoot that cow in order to complete the round and
>collect the 10M bonus -- even though the cow isn't exactly armed and
>dangerous. 

So that's the evil villain I missed! I was wondering...

>Anyone uncover other sly little digs by one manufacturer at another?

LW3's initial music selection mode seems similar to Party Zone's
make a request.

Speaking of selections, I got a choice on LW3 between Special and
Video mode once. Rather strange, IMHO. Then again, I'm not sure I
like selecting awards yet...

greg
gkwan@balboa.eng.uci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: Rape, arcade style
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:33:24 GMT

> These are the most common prices in Germany:
>  1 DM  - 1 credit
>  2 DM  - 3 credits
>  5 DM  - 10 credits
> 
> and on new machines in good arcades:
>  1 DM  - 1 credit
>  2 DM  - 2 credits
>  5 DM  - 6 or 7 credits
> 
> Current exchange rate is around 1.50 DM per 1 US$, but per 'buying power'
> it is around 1-1.

On a recent trip to Germany and Switzerland, I saw some machines for
which the first credit was either *2* DM or 2 Swiss francs.  (I don't
remember which it was, but the currencies' values are within 10 or 15
percent of each other anyway.)
-- 
Mark Brader		"Actually, $150, to an educational institution,
Toronto			 turns out to be about the same as a lower amount."
utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com				-- Mark Horton

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