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From: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: New rules in Olympics
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:19:48 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <1992Aug18.102855.24248@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> schoof@dec8.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de (Jochen "Joscho" Schoof) writes:
>From article <#q9m+ph@lynx.unm.edu>, by blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.):
>> In article <DSTAug17.094903.1136@vttux1.vtt.fi> leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino) writes:

(------------ a lot of stuff deleted --------------------------------)


Guys ,guys,guys............... if the Americans don't like the way the game of
soccer is why don't they cut it out to suit themselves, like they do in 
basketball.

For example, in basketball the NBA rules are slightly different from that of 
international basketball rules, the 3-point arc is bigger, etc. But when the
Americans play an international game, eg. at the olympics, they conform to the
international rules. That way everybody is satisfied or will they ?


( the other Francis )
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From: asim@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Asim Omair)
Subject: Re: Television
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:29:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.025338.14129@samba.oit.unc.edu> Matthew.Lehrer@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Matthew Lehrer) writes:
>Could someone please post a schedule of all regular soccer related
>programming on ESPN, MSG, SportsChannel and SportsChannel America? I
>remember seeing an English League highlight show on a couple of times last
>season, but I don't remember what day or time it was on. Also, I read that
>some of you saw a German League highlight show last season as well. While
>I've never seen the show, it would be nice to know if anyone knows the
>channel, day and time it is on as well.
>
This Saturday they are going to show English soccer at 6:00 p.m. on HSE (which
is an affilate of Prime Network) here in Austin, and I believe it's going to
be shown every week, but I am not sure about the time since last season they
used to show it on Saturday mornings at 9:00 a.m. I guess, we will know in a 
couple of weeks.
Also, last week they showed the Scottish cup final.
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From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Subject: Belgian League results. round 3.
Originator: collins@serpent
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:35:00 GMT

League round 3
Games played 19/8.


 FC Luik           4 Waregem SV        1
 Milosevic           Kruzen
 Sunday
 Ikpeba(2)

 SK Beveren        1 Cercle Brugge     0
 Oulare

 Club Brugge       0 Standard Luik     1
		     Bettagno

 Charleroi         5 Germinal Ekeren   1
 Malbasa             Lierreman
 Suray
 Silvagni
 Marciniak
 Zetterberg

 Lommel            1 Lierse SK         6
 Buana               Rekdal(2)
		     Kerckhoven(2)
		     Pauwels
		     De Smet

 RWD Molenbeek     1 AA Gent           1
 Medved              van Ankeren

 Lokeren SK        0 RSC Anderlecht    2
		     Crasson
		     Bosman

 KV Mechelen       2 Racing Genk       0
 Ingesson(2)

 Royal Antwerp FC  2 Boom              3
 Lehnhoff            Snow(2)
 Severeyns           Koroma


Table
-----                             Goals
Team                PL    PTS   For  Against
Anderlecht           3     6     9    2
KV Mechelen          3     6     9    2
Charleroi            3     6     8    2
Beveren              3     6     5    1
Club Brugge          3     4     6    3
Boom                 3     4     7    6
Lokeren              3     4     4    4
Standard Luik        3     4     4    4
FC Luik              3     3     7    5
AA Gent              3     3     2    2
Lierse SK            3     2     9    6
FC Antwerp           3     2     5    6
RWDM                 3     2     4    5
KRC Genk             3     1     2    5
Cercle Brugge        3     1     4    9
Waregem              3     0     2    7
Germinal Ekeren      3     0     3   11
Lommel               3     0     1   11


League Scorers (as per 19-8-92).
1. Versavel (KV Mechelen)       3 goals;
   Bettagno (Standard Luik)     3 goals;
   Ikpeba (FC Luik)             3 goals;
   Rekdal (Lierse SK)           3 goals;

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From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Maradona News
Date: 16 Aug 1992 09:25:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Diego is alientaing almost everybody with his unreasonable 
demands; FIFA, Napoli and most important, soccer fans all
over the world. He does not get it: far from being in a po-
sition to make demands he should rather submit to whatever
set of rules that would get him back into action.
Pitty that such a talent coexists with a puerile mind; let's
hope that somehoew we'll see him in the 1994 WC...



-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics
From: eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Small point
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:42:31 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


   Though Sandy "Sandy" McKinnon and Scott "Scotty Wacko Jacko" Jackson 
have ridiculed my Premier forecasts for this season, I can now be rest
assured that Celtic's strengths do lie in defence on the grounds that
they now have the best defensive record in the Premier League.
   The 'Tic's performance on Saturday was most encouraging considering
how well Dundee United have started the season.  There is a lot of self
assuredness about Celtic's performance without resorting to complacency,
that is with the exception of Gary Gillespie's waltz out of defence on
Saturday through the United attack. If it weren't for injury problems in
defence, this weekend's Old Firm encounter couldn't come quick enough.
   Well done to Dundee for proving what many already knew - that Rangers
do not have a good defence.
   Allez Les Vertes!
                       Gerry
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Re: Austria round 6
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:31:43 GMT

tom@lightning.cadcam.iupui.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.094954.20670@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at>, 
kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans) writes:
>> Austrian Football Scores
>> ------------------------
>> 
>> 
>> Admira/Wacker             1-2 Austria Salzburg            Att: 3,500
>> Ljung 41' (his 3rd goal!)     Jurcevic 25'
>>                               Pfeifenberger 36'
>>                               red card: Pfeifenberger 67' 
>>                                         (repeated foul play)
>Any word yet how many games Pfeiffenberger will have to miss. Strange 
>start for Salzburg. They are better playing away than at home, in front
>of the big crowd (for austrian standards).
>
Apparently Pf. only got a conditional penalty. Scored twice again last
weekend :-)
>                                          Thomas
Karel
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From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Dundee (Was Re:Scottish Champions Match-Up 15-8-92)
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:04:48 GMT
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--
In article <1992Aug19.180442.3697@news.nd.edu>, ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:

|>>Religious differences in English football are also a thing of the past.
|>>
|>
|>Recently a friend of mine who works in Wales informed me that after meeting
|>a Liverpudlian recently he asked, as he thought, the relatively innocent
|>question about which team he supported.  The Scouser looking disturbed
|>denied supporting Liverpool because he was Catholic.  My friend was
|>puzzled, as was I when I heard, because in Ireland neither of us had
|>ever heard anything about there being religious differences between 
|>Liverpool and Everton fans.

Ulick, Liverpool used to be the "protestant" team in the city.  Everton
were considered a "Catholic" side.  Both sign players irrespective of
religion and both have many protestant and Catholic supporters now.  I
would like to see Everton see a black player though.

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          U.S.A. here we come

          God thinks he's Jackie Charlton

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

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From: cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Murray to block SSL application?
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:29:06 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

David Murray, chief cook and bottle-washer at MIM FC, is reportedly considering
blocking the application of Dundee FC to join the MURRAY-MERGER SSL after their
disgraceful performance at the weekend in beating the works team by the odd
goal in seven.  It is also very unlikely that the referee will ever be allowed
to take charge of a match involving the famous corporate eleven again.  After
starting the game in promising fashion by allowing Sally to cancel out Dundee's
unscripted opener, with Hately in a blatantly offside position (suggestions as
to any possible explanations to the linesman would be welcomed), he awarded a
perfectly legitamate penalty to the provincial club with only minutes left
ensuring a large drop in profits for the business magnate and therefore no
pocket money for Wallet Merger this week. It just isn't good for business.

Chris
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Papin
Date: 15 Aug 1992 10:14:24 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 17:13:54 MET DST

> Even with a precariously holding knee Gullit is a much, much better 
> player than Papin will ever be; if Milan falls for this I want to 
> sell them some real estate in Florida...
I don't agree with this. Both Gullit and Papin are world class players and
I hope (as a Milan fan) that they will keep both. They are different players,
so it's hard to compare them, therefore I don't state my choice here, it's
quite close, I think.
> 
> Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
> 
Kent

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From: emulcahy@unix2.tcd.ie (QUETZALCOATL              MONTEZUMA OAXACA TENOCHTITLAN INTI RAYNI RA CHICHEN ITZA TLAXCALA MACCHU PICCHU CUZCO AKRANES REKJAVIK AKUYEYRI KEFLAVIK HAFNAFJIORDHUR GODTHAAB THULE MINNESOTA NORTHSTARS SEATTLE SEAHAWKS KON-TIKI)
Subject: WC European Group 3 : Latvia v Lithuania
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:22:43 GMT


		Europe Group 3
		--------------

22. 4.92	Spain - Albania ..............	3-0
28. 4.92	N.Ireland - Lithuania ........	2-2
26. 5.92	Eire - Albania ...............	2-0
 3. 6.92	Albania - Lithuania ..........	1-0
12. 8.92	Latvia - Lithuania ...........	1-2

			 P   W  D  L   F  A  Pts
Lithuania		 3   1  1  1   4  4   3
Spain			 1   1  0  0   3  0   2
Eire			 1   1  0  0   2  0   2
Albania			 3   1  0  2   1  5   2
N.Ireland		 1   0  1  0   2  2   1
Latvia			 1   0  0  1   1  2   0 
Denmark			 0   0  0  0   0  0   0 


	Enda.
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Summary: Some info for Carlos
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:58:50 GMT
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.

In article <7747@public.BTR.COM> Carlos Rimola-Sarti writes:

>Statements like these simply show your ignorance of the game, its history
>and its protagonists, yesterday and today.  
>
>The tiny nation of Uruguay has always been and still is a power in the
>the world scene.  They have won two world cups, including the biggest
>upset in soccer history when they defeated Brasil in the "Maracanazo"
>final in Brasil in 1950.
>
>Countries like Peru and Paraguay and more recently Colombia (no, not
>Columbia :-) have also had quite respectable appearances in the international
>scene (read world cups).
>
>I suggest you get yourself a good reference book on the history of the game
>before making any more comments.

Dear Carlos,
First, don't be so agressive, for you may be mistaken.

Second, I do know the history of WC games including the elimination
phases, and I'll bet I know it better than you. I have a perfect
reference book, do you?

The tiny nation of Uruguay WAS a power in the world soccer scene.
The 1950 year which you mention was the LAST time they won the Cup;
that's 42 years ago, so what the hell does it have with today???
For your information: Uruguay was also the 4th classified team
in 1954 and 1970, but that's still a pretty long ago.

Either Paraguay, Peru or Colombia has never gone further than
to a quarter-final.

To your information:

        1974         1978         1982        1986        1990
        ====         ====         ====        ====        ====
 1st.  W.GERMANY   Argentina   ITALY       Argentina     GERMANY
 2nd.  NETHERLANDS NETHERLANDS W.GERMANY   W.GERMANY     Argentina
 3rd.  POLAND      Brasil      POLAND      FRANCE        ITALY
 4th.  Brasil      ITALY       FRANCE      BELGIUM       ENGLAND

Doesn't it speak for itself? So please, don't get angry when
you have no reason. BTW, if you want to know any details from
the WC history, feel free to e-mail me. There is no question
I would not answer for you.

Have a good day.

---------------

Michal~ Szleper                        My opinions are my opinions.
(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                   Quite predictable.
From: sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Manager and son
Date: 16 Aug 92 21:15:59 GMT
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

>In article <1992Aug16.192955.2683@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, ramprasa@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramprasad Ramakrishna) writes:
>|> |> 
> Is this Atkinson guy any relation to RON??
> 

Ahem...you obviously haven't seen them both together. Slight erm....
pigmentation mismatch.

Anyway, that rotten b*stard (Dalian) Atkinson scored against Ipswich on
Saturday. And we gave him a start in football as well. Some people are just
sooooo ungrateful :-)

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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Whatever Happenned to ?????
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:22:15 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

Whatever happenned to :-

1) Celtic Family Card.

2) Terry Cassidy

3) Martin Hayes

4) Kevin O'Donnel


-- 
Sandy Mackinnon
University of Strathclyde
Glasgow
cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
From: james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Somone at Edu.Vanderbilt.ctrvax PLEASE READ!!!!
Date: 12 Aug 1992 16:48:19 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

-> I DON'T AGREE!
-> 
-> For starters, I have had a lot of my mail go through.
-> 
-> If any of you took the time to find out how the mail was processed in 
-> the first place, you WOULDN'T be making the *stupid* comments your making now.
-> 
-> We may need some change, I agree, but don't criticize the efforts of 
-> one individual burdened with all your mail!
-> 
-> Talk (yes talk, as in politely) to the person in charge as to ways to 
-> better perform this service.
-> 
-> EVERYONE WAS WARNED WHEN MARCO LEFT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, have all you forgotten?

Francis, please stop ranting.

For starters, when Marco went on holiday, he notified the mailing list
recipients only.  He did not post that message to the net at large.

I noticed some failure messages from GWINRC at Vanderbilt.  I assumed
it would be corrected quickly; since I then didn't post anything for
a while, I figured the problem was solved.  When it was clear that it
wasn't solved, I addressed some mail to the gentleman overseeing the
list in Marco's absence, and he took care of it very quickly.

Until you posting, I had not noticed anyone making any stupid comments.
Indeed, Tim Chown and others expressed concern about the mail, and
indicated that mail to postmaster@venderbilt.edu elicited no response.
It is not Tim et al's responsibility to be aware of unusual distribution
techniques for their articles.

If fault must be placed, GWINRC should be chastised for leaving a
mailing list and not notifying the list that the address would no longer
be functional.  Furthermore, the fact that email to postmaster at that
machine received no response is also of concern.  Investigate there,
if you must find fault.  Otherwise, note that the bouncing should 
have stopped, acknowledge that the email distribution works again, and
leave it at that.
From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: lucky goals, re: Spain vs. Poland
Date: 17 Aug 1992 11:05:04 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Remember!  There is such a thing as "creating your luck" by working to
be in the right position and setting up the plays as designed.  How many
times have we recreational players seen "lucky" goal scoring chances
pass us by because we didn't follow the play, etc?  I'd say plenty!

Jim Carrasquer
jimcar@lmc.com

===========================================================

To me a *goal* is the *direct* result of a shot.  Not the events that 
led up to the shot.

1.  I have never challenged the idea of luck in a game.
2.  I feel that too often posters have labeled goals as *lucky*.  Few 
goals are, however, there are more lucky plays than goals.  That, to 
me, is the distinction.

When I hear the use of *lucky goals* I often sense jealously.  When I 
review these goals, more often than not my feelings are confirmed.

If luck were so important, I think there would be little point in 
having professionals.

If so many of these goals scored by professionals were luck, than 
either they were....

1.  Blessed with more luck than the rest of us, or
2.  They just plain have more consistent talent than the rest of us.

I tend to believe the latter. :-)

Francis.
From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: reply to Carlos (long, 1.5 pages) BIG ERROR!!!!!!!
Date: 20 Aug 1992 10:18:20 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

When transferring info from one system to another I made a tranposition error.

Austria, as you all know, was not a winner in any WC.

Sorry for the error.

Francis.
----------
From:  <netmail!franblan@leland.stanford.edu>
To: Francis Stanisci
Cc:
Subject: Re: reply to Carlos (long, 1.5 pages)
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1992 4:35PM

In article <9208181435.aa11606@ingate.microsoft.COM> you write:

>		Participated	Won	Second	Third	Fourth
>
>Austria		3	1		1	1

Are you sure?

 Francois.

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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Small point
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:38:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.075551.11962@spider.co.uk>, scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
 
> Is this the name of the next well known Albanian player that Brady's going to
> sign. It's rumoured that when the guy turned up at the piggery Brady (being a
> bit on the thick side) thought he had got the wrong player as he didn't have
> white hair and pink eyes. Unfortunately, as the guy can see in daylight he
> can witness the shocking state of the piggery. However, the depravation won't
> be all that different from Albania.

	I was in the pub last week and ended up talking to well know erse-hole 
Gerry McNee and he gave me an ***exclusive*** on the signing-on package this
new Albanian, Rudi Vata has received. Apparently it includes a Zonecard to
cover 3 zones (Peter Grant only ever got 2 zones), a single-end in Dennistoun,
some left over Mo Johnston shell suits when he got knicked for resetting them
and 30 pounds a week.  All in all this seems like luxury compared to Tirana
although when he saw Parkhead he thought he was back in Tirana.


Sandy Mackinnon
University of Strathclyde
Glasgow
cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk