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From: goldstei@cat25.cs.wisc.edu (Daniel Goldstein)
Subject: Basis of Northern Exposure
Summary:  Northern exp is Local Hero
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:45:35 GMT


People:

	Northern Exposure IS Local Hero.                 

	Local Hero is a film by Scottish director Forsythe, made
	a few years back.  Rent it at the video store and see
	for yourself.

	In Local Hero an upwardly-mobile young professional (here
	an oilman there a doctor) goes to a remote part of the
	world (here northern Scotland there northern North America)
	where he is initially annoyed by the lack of modern 
	conveniences but eventually enchanted with the local
	culture.  The main character, Mac, looks and talks almost
	exactly as Dr. Fleishman.

	At one point a old Russian town friend stumbles into the
	scene (as happened on N. exp) and the main character deals
	with a kind, elderly store-keeper woman (c.f Ruth-Anne).

	Of course, this is an excellent movie, as Northern Exposure,
	its offspring, is the finest show on television.

	Dan Goldstein

	dang@cicero.uchicago.edu 
	or
	goldstei@cs.wisc.edu
From: varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: 8 Sep 1992 04:58:01 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cypress.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Sep07.145204.17119@NeoSoft.com> jbrandt@NeoSoft.com (J Brandt) writes:
>In article <lalhckINNklr@aludra.usc.edu>, mueller@aludra.usc.edu (Stephen Mueller) writes:
>> Is Maggie entirely to blame? I wasn't really siding with either
>> (since they both lied) until Maggie left Joel on the couch.
 
>> Are there any women (or men) who actually feel that Maggie acted
>> anything but cruely? 
 
>I understood why Maggie got so angry with Joel,

OK.  I can't stand it any longer.  Will *somebody* explain it?
He couldn't wake her up.  He did the only possible thing at the
time (didn't he??) and she chewed him out for it.  Playing along
with her lie is another matter -- I think that was kind of cute,
but I can understand her being irritated about it.  To me, from
that point, Maggie simply stopped being an interesting character.

-- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)
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From: jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson)
Subject: Fandom
Organization: Kentucky Cancer Registry, Univ. of Ky
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:54:04 GMT

IMHO, Maurice and Hollings are OK, but how much more
unique can you get than a barefoot culinary artist
who lives as a recluse in the woods and is a
pathological liar (or is he?)? One vote for Adam!

-- 
[]  J. Randall Thompson                                      jrt@kcr.uky.edu []
[]  University of Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky                              []
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From: cramer@vivaldi.psu.edu (Michael R. Cramer)
Subject: Re: re. Best Episode
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 17:06:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.105559.7395@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jcatesii@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Cates III) writes:
>
>
>Someone began a thread about fave episodes. I held my response
>while I pondered it for a few days.

As have I....but I think I've decided....The one where Holling and Maurice
go out to bury their friend was fantastic. I loved the way they mixed the
story of the show with the story of "The Call of the Wild"...it was great!
I think that's what makes the show interesting....they can take something
like "Call of the Wild" and incorperate it so seemlessly....kudos to the
writers....

-- 
Michael Cramer                   | "Son I am able she said though you scare
mrc@ecl.psu.edu			 |  me watch said I, beloved I said watch
mrc113@psuvm.psu.edu		 |  me scare you though, said she, able am I
cramer@(vivaldi|orville).psu.edu |  son."  I Palindrome I: They Might Be Giants
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From: cramer@vivaldi.psu.edu (Michael R. Cramer)
Subject: Re: Fandom
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 17:00:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.35404.1613@ms.uky.edu> jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson) writes:
>IMHO, Maurice and Hollings are OK, but how much more
>unique can you get than a barefoot culinary artist
>who lives as a recluse in the woods and is a
>pathological liar (or is he?)? One vote for Adam!
Yes! Yes! Yes! I'm surprised no one else mentioned him sooner...Adam and Eve
are two of the best characters on that show....especially since they only
show up every once in a while. (I mean, who wants to eat lobster every night?)

But then, now that i come to think of it, there really are no characters I
really dislike...If Shelly was a real person I'd prolly hate her...same for
Joel and Maurice...but in this show they are perfect....

-- 
Michael Cramer                   | "Son I am able she said though you scare
mrc@ecl.psu.edu			 |  me watch said I, beloved I said watch
mrc113@psuvm.psu.edu		 |  me scare you though, said she, able am I
cramer@(vivaldi|orville).psu.edu |  son."  I Palindrome I: They Might Be Giants
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From: lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU (annette)
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 19:27:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <1992Sep6.012238.15277@reed.edu> ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon) writes:
>Why do you (plural) love the show? or, Are you drawn to the show because
>of a particular character or set of characters?

	I like the show because i think it's very uplifting.  The endings
	are not always what you would call "happy endings", but they always
	leave me with a good feeling inside.  Also, I think the show has a 
	a lot of interesting things to say about the human condition.

	My favorite characters are Joel, Marilyn, Ruth-Anne and Bernard.
	I'm surprised by how many posters so far have said that they like
	Joel.  I thought a lot of people just found him whiny and annoying.

	The episodes I like best are the one about Ed's movie and the one
	about the ghost in Joel's house.  The first one I liked because
	the movie Ed made was so unexpected, but it validates what someone
	else said here about how every person matters.  I liked the second
	one because it was about the importance of community, and I saw it
	when I was just coming out of a particularly anti-social time in my
	life, and I could really relate to it.

	annette

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From: tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Organization: very little
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 07:16:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep08.203016.23839@microsoft.com> alexho@microsoft.com (Alex Howerton) writes:
>In article <lalhckINNklr@aludra.usc.edu> mueller@aludra.usc.edu (Stephen Mueller) writes:
>The raison d'etre of the show is the tension between Joel and Maggie,
>and Joel's outsider perspective.  If Joel and Maggie get together in
>any significant way, or if Joel leaves, the show is over. I've heard
>rumors that Rob Morrow id being a snot and asking for $3 million
>a year, or he'll quit the show. Anybody have any facts?
>
Yeah, he tried going on "strike" recently, but was hauled into court.

Seems that when he signed to do the show, it was a summer replacement
series that no one dreamed would go anywhere, so he signed a contract
that paid him a relatively low amount per episode, as I recall it
was less than $10,000 each.

That sounds like a lot of money, but what I heard was that actors in
series that were a getting a lot lower ratings were getting at least
several times what he was getting, and that $50,000 per episode would
not be too outrageous by TV industry standards.

I don't know how they finally settled, but I heard that he agreed to
do another season.

(I gathered this info from articles in the local Seattle newspapers
and reports on local TV news.)

>


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From: van@teal.csn.org (Claude W. Van Horn)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:55:18 GMT

>Excuse me if my query is not on quite as high an echelon as the
>previous intellectual discussions. It just makes me wonder how
>much of my love for the show is due to Joel and Maggie's sexual
>tension (and it's awaited release) versus all the other
>
>too much sometimes, Marilyn is a trip, and personally I hope they 

I like the way Marilyn is always right, and the way she is a quieting
influence in the program.  I wish I could be more like her.  The
Indian gestault VS. the intellectual snobbery is one of the best
subtexts in the program.

And, Steven, I think you are exactly right.  I watch the show as much
to see if Maggie and Joell are going to "do it" as much as for any other
reason.  It is the most complex show on the air and I love it.

Van!!
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Subject: Re: Fandom
From: john@csufres.CSUFresno.EDU (John Q. Generic)
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:04:54 PDT
Organization: California State University, Fresno

>IMHO, Maurice and Hollings are OK, but how much more
>unique can you get than a barefoot culinary artist
>who lives as a recluse in the woods and is a
>pathological liar (or is he?)? One vote for Adam!
>
I agree, Adam and Eve are as interesting anyone on the show. 

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From: favorini-francis@CS.YALE.EDU (Francis Favorini)
Subject: Re: Fling Thing
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:04:33 GMT


Related to flinging the piano, I have a friend from Alaska who tells
stories about his neighbors up there, who get an old piano, get stoned,
-- 
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							favorini@yalecs.bitnet
							...!yale!favorini
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From: mxr@neptune.dsc.com (Max "Historic Snore Thunder" Rible)
Subject: Re: Tonight's episode
Organization: Digital Sound Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:15:51 GMT

sletten@cs.wm.edu (Brian J. Sletten) writes:
>So, folks, which would you save, a cat or a Rembrandt? Does art afford
>life a meaning it could not achieve on its own? Or is a painting just oil
>on canvas? A book just ink on paper? Do their merits transcend
>physical expression?

Cats can usually take care of themselves in a situation like a fire
anyway, are self-reproducing, and are usually worth a lot less money
than a Rembrandt.  For me, it'd depend on the Rembrandt: if it
appealed to me personally a great deal, and the cat wasn't
particularly friendly, probably the Rembrandt.  On the other hand, if
the cat were a friend and the Rembrandt didn't particularly interest
me (entirely likely), I'd probably save the cat.  The important thing
to have in the world, after all, isn't art: it's artists.

Now, if it were the last surviving copy of Guy Gavriel Kay's _The
Fionavar Tapestry_ or Neil Gaiman's work on _Sandman_, you can always
find more cats.  (One of the nice things about modern technology is
that much art can be reproduced with rather good quality, so it's much
less likely that the better creations we have will be lost to time.)
/-------------v-----------------------v---------------------------------------\
| Max Rible   | mxr@dsc.com           | "Spontaneous combustion!  What a      |
|             | rible@vorpal.ucsb.edu |  stroke of luck!" - Sam & Max         |
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From: gaylin@bacall.ipac.caltech.edu (Gaylin Laughlin)
Subject: New character
Organization: Caltech
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:00:44 GMT

The new character will be played by Anthony Edwards.  Most people remember
him as Tom Cruise's buddy (the one who died) in "Top Gun".
Should be a great addition to the cast!!!

Can't wait!

Gaylin Laughlin
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Death to Chris, Joel, whoever
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:56:50 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Sep10.185348.5103@unixg.ubc.ca> hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee) writes:
>In article <10SEP199209454367@zeus.tamu.edu> wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT) writes:
>>If Rob Morrow doesn't get his contract situation straightened out, Joel may
>>become the sixth victim of the Curse of Maggie O'Connell.  Can anyone think
>>of a clever way for the next victim to die?  It would be very hard to top
>>death by falling satellite.
>
>I thought that Morrow's contract was finalized some number of weeks ago
>and that everyone in the cast was now in the current run of
>shooting new episodes for the upcoming year.
>

Morrow's contract has been finalized, and everything is settled. I
followed that story rather closely.

If Morrow ever left the show, I'd go into mourning.




-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Best Episode
Keywords: life, flinging, cow, piano
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:52:56 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


	My vote for best episode goes to the "Rosalyn & Cicely"
episode! I was glued to my television set, and did not move from my
spot for the entire hour (I was watching it with a friend of mine, and
we spent the commercial time chatting about the episode).  Everyone
was used in the story, and used wonderfully.  It seemd to get a bit
sappy at the end, with Joel sitting in the resteraunt all by himself,
but it still definitely gets my vote as best episode.
-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
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From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: replies
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:25:22 GMT

1. Greg: BEING HORNY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH P.C.! In fact, at least where I
live, it is unP.C. to admit you ever even noticed the other person's body.
(What a boring way to conduct a relationship. A balance is much more
rewarding.) And I can back up my theory that they love each other for their
bodies: in the episode where Holling's old friend shows up and Shelley
is depressed because she can't talk about stuff that happened in the '50s,
Holling ACTUALLY SAYS "Aw, c'mon Shel, you know I love you for your body."
But I was watching my tapes of some of the old episodes and you're right,
there's something else there. The two of them are supportive of each other
and genuinely enjoy each other's company. That, to my mind, is much better
than a "P.C." relationship where you sit around and discuss no-nukes and
feminism and veggies and never actually say anything. 
2. Eriq: thanks. You were quite correct. I called my friend the TMBG freak
and he roundly scolded me for actin' so dumb.
3. Just to add my 2 centimes to the 'kids on NEXP' discussion: As many people
have said, I think that NEXP would handle child characters differently than
other shows. Shows like "Full House" and the early "Cosby Show" don't bother
to actually write good parts for their small-child actors; they depend on
their looking cute. Basically they are used as mobile, drooling scenery. I
think that if NEXP created a place for a child character, and found a good
actor--and NOT a baby; a kid old enough to be a real character--it might
really improve the show.
				Rosaleen Dhu
"Just because some of us can read and write and do a little math, that
doesn't mean we deserve to conquer the Universe."
					Kurt Vonnegut
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From: karenr@geronimo.sps.mot.com (Karen Ramondetta)
Subject: Re: It on during football
Reply-To: karenr@geronimo.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:41:30 GMT

In article dslee@netcom.com, dslee@netcom.com (Donna S. Lee) writes:
>I can't stand it anymore!
>
>It's not Kreaton or Kreton for Crissakes! It's cretin!!@!!
>-- 
> Donna S. Lee // EC Technology // dslee@netcom.com


You're a "Joel" aren't you...

:)
From: barb@ufycorp.Unify.Com (Barbara Kane)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Oddz n' ens
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:41:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1992Sep14.231010.9499@cs.wm.edu> sletten@cs.wm.edu (Brian J. Sletten) writes:
>
>Has anyone heard about a connection between "Doc Hollywood" and NEXP?
>Someone tried to convince me that "D.H." was supposed to be the basis
>for NEXP... anyone else hear this connection?
>
>

I really don't think one is based on the other, but when I rented "Doc
Hollywood" I noticed a lot of similarities between Michael Fox's character
and Joel.  Some of the same expressions and attitudes.  I thought it
was wonderful.  


Barbara Kane                                               Unify Corporation
                        *******************
I teleported home one night with Ron & Sid & Meg
Ron stole Meggie's heart away, and I got Sidney's leg  -- D. Adams
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From: hankdtank <hank@waffle.sns.com>
Subject: Re: Doc Hollywood and NEXP 
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 08:33:32 PDT

wanderer@camelot.bradley.edu (Kevin Murphy) writes:

> >Has anyone heard about a connection between "Doc Hollywood" and NEXP?
> >Someone tried to convince me that "D.H." was supposed to be the basis
> >for NEXP... anyone else hear this connection?
> 
> 
> I thought the same thing - They both seem very similar - but they came out so
> close together i don't thik it was possible that they were fed off of each 
> other.  If anything I think the movie came off of the TV series that was 
> mentioed a few postings back...
> 
> 


The script for "D.H." had been floating around for quite a while (atleast 
the idea, if not the script).  The idea for NX came from Josh/John when 
talking to a friend (a Medical advisor) who practiced in Missouri.  City Doc 
in a small town.
 
NX did come out first, I think, too.

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From: shirley@fdr.jsc.nasa.gov (Bill Shirley [CSC])
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Best Episode
Date: 9 Sep 1992 21:08:45 GMT
Organization: Software Technology Branch - NASA/JSC
Originator: shirley@fdr


In article <1992Sep8.223021.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu>, bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.190311.14585@indetech.com>, alix@indetech.com 
> (Alexandria North) writes:

[...]

> > ...while watching the piano fly, I couldn't help but picture a cow in 
> > the same place, and felt deeply sickened. 

> Rent _Monty Python and the Holy Grail_...they fling a REAL COW! 

[...]


I though they flung a ceramic cow (or was that _Top Secret_? - Val Kilmer)

 -Bill
-- 
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shirley@fdr.jsc.nasa.gov|	more than astronomy is about telescopes.''
From: ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Ed and Ruth-Anne (Was Best Episode)
Date: 9 Sep 92 07:24:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


Vince Woldt mentions the episode where Ed worries about Ruth-Anne dying
as his favorite. He also cites the closing image as wonderful.

I'll start by fervently agreeing with him about the 'wonderfulnes'
of that episode and its closing shot. (Which I find strongly reminiscent
of the closing shot in the Hollings-Jessie episode.)

This may be an odd thing to categorize, but I think the relationship
between Ed and Ruth-Anne is my favorite one on the show. It's not
maternal, or sexual--the cop-outs most older woman-younger man relationships
fall into on tv--they're good friends, in the best sense.

Any takers for the 'what's your favorite relationship' question?

Elizabeth
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From: van@teal.csn.org (Claude W. Van Horn)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:22:19 GMT

My favorite show was the Movie show.  It was a litle lighter in context than
lots of the other ones, but it was a really personal look at the town, the people and the family life in what you can't help but visualize as a real town
with real people who live, work, and love each other.

It didn't hit as hard, but see if you don't get a real warm feeling just 
remembering it.

And on the sex episode, I thought Maggie was being exactly like almost
every woman I have ever known.  Totally unreadable.  Totally confusing.
Totally frustrating.  Totally desirable and wonderfull.

(How do you gals do it anyway??)

Van!!
g

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From: sletten@cs.wm.edu (Brian J. Sletten)
Subject: Tonight's episode
Organization: The College of William and Mary
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:03:43 GMT

After watching the season finale again tonight, I realized that it was
a very appropriate final episode. I guess previously I was just
frustrated about not resolving the Maggie/Joel issue.

So, folks, which would you save, a cat or a Rembrandt? Does art afford
life a meaning it could not achieve on its own? Or is a painting just oil
on canvas? A book just ink on paper? Do their merits transcend
physical expression?

Taking things to a slightly more erudite level...

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From: finn@convex.com (Tom Finn)
Subject: Re: Death to Chris, Joel, whoever
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:00:38 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <10SEP199209454367@zeus.tamu.edu> wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT) writes:
>If Rob Morrow doesn't get his contract situation straightened out, Joel may
>become the sixth victim of the Curse of Maggie O'Connell.  Can anyone think
>of a clever way for the next victim to die?  It would be very hard to top
>death by falling satellite.
>
>Kent Leverich
>WKL5819@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU


It's obvious- fling him!

tom
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From: alexho@microsoft.com (Alex Howerton)
Subject: Re: Where are the children??  (And who needs 'em! :-)
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:35:04 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

>I think it is a requirement of the networks.  Even Star Trek: The Next
>Generation gets terrible once kids show up.
>
GZets terrible? ST:TNG is the worst excuse for a show on TV these days.
The enterprise crew needs a vacation in Cicely.
(Before you all flame me about how this is not a Star Trek newsgroup;
HE STARTEd IT! I'm just finishing it ;-)


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