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From: peter@spider.co.uk (Peter Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Dick Gaughan!!!
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:40:46 GMT
	<1992Nov6.204415.5329@SSD.intel.com>
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

>   Last time a "top ten folk album" query hit this board (or
>   maybe it was the time before that, or the time before that,
>   or ... :) I nominated Dick Gaughan's "Handful of Earth" for
>   the list.

The "Folk Roots" magazine in the UK voted (reader survey) "Handful of
Earth" the best folk album of the decade (80's).

Dick Gaughan is (some of the time at least) part of the band Clan Alba,
[Gaughan, Brian MacNeil (um, or is it "McNeill"?), Davey Steel, Dave
Tulloch, Mike Travis, Gary West and two harp players (names a blank at
present)], as well as recording material for a new solo album.

THE best live singer I've seen (sheer passion in his music - tremendous
guitarist too).

Anyone who doesn't know him, check out "Call It Freedom" and "Different
Kind of Love Songs", especially (for me) the last.

And he lives not far from my house in Leith (at least he did until
recently).  Haven't bumped into him tho'...

P
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From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Lyrics: The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:14:52 GMT

From article <96950@netnews.upenn.edu>, by rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec):
> Today, November 10, is the anniversary of the loss of the ore carrier
> Edmund Fitzgerald, which disappeared in 1975 on Lake Superior.  Since
> there's been some recent discussion about this song, along with requests
> for the lyrics, I thought I'd take this opportunity to send them along.
> Consider it a bit of sentimentality: I was working at a midwest radio
> station the night this happened, and heard some of the marine and
> shortwave band radio traffic as the storm worsened, including one of
> the last messages from the ship.  I stayed where I was through the
> night and into the next morning listening to the frantic search
> that followed...but as you probably know, nothing was found.
> 
> If you ever have the chance to stand on the shores of Lake Superior
> during an early winter storm, you'll only have to close your eyes to
> see the Edmund Fitzgerald out there somewhere.
> 
> ---Rsk
> 
No one has mentioned the Mary Ellen Carter (sp?). This song is sung by
Stan Rogers. Was it a real ship; if so where was it lost and when
(anyone know)?

													GW

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From: collicot@brutus.aa.ab.com (Duane E. Collicott)
Subject: Re: Query: Green grow the rushes, ho
Originator: collicot@tethys
Organization: Allen-Bradley ASA, Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:55:30 GMT

In article <mudws.721321037@sunvis1> mudws@sunvis1.vislab.olemiss.edu (David Warren Steel) writes:
>  Green Grow the Rushes, Ho (not the one by Robert Burns) is a 
>cumulative numerical song, and a favorite at community sings in
>my summer home in Michigan.  An elderly woman who learned it there
>asks for help in indentifying the somewhat cryptic references in the 
>text.  Can anyone help?  E-mail me or reply to the group, for general
>interest.  I will forward your reply.
>  The text (in the final verse) is:
>
>I'll sing you twelve, ho,
>   Green grow the rushes, ho!
>What are your twelve, ho?
>   Twelve for the twelve apostles,
>   Eleven for the eleven that went to heaven,
>   And ten for the Ten Commandments;
>   Nine for the Nine Bright Shiners,
>   Eight for the April Rainers,
>   Seven for the Seven Stars in the sky,
>   And six for the six Proud Walkers;
>   Five for the symbols at your door,
>   And four for the gospel makers;
>   Three, three, the Rivals,
>   Two, two, the lily-white boys,
>   Clothed all in green-O,
>   One is one and all alone,
>   And ever more shall be so.

I was wondering if anyone else was familiar with this.  I also learned it here
in Michigan, YEARS ago at a camp.  I used to know more about the references,
but all I can remember, other than the obvious 4/10/12, is that I think the
eleven refers to the twelve minus Judas.  I'd be interested in hearing the
rest if anyone figures out the rest.

Maybe the three Rivals are Bush, Clinton and Perot?  And isn't it "Nine Bright
SHRINERS? ... No, I suppose not.

Please mail me the answers if you ever get them.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Duane Collicott
collicot@brutus.aa.ab.com

"If you could see far enough you'd be looking at the back of your own head"
                                                                     - Unknown
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From: morris@mksol.dseg.ti.com (jerry a morris)
Subject: Re: Lyrics: The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:42:21 GMT

I love this ballad. does anyone have/know the cords/tab for this song?

thanks in advance
jerry morris
morris@ap040.dseg.ti.com
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From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: folk music & political movements
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:05:30 GMT

Since we are still on the topic of folk music and politics, I would
recommend any album by Eric Bogle, and the latest album by Buffy Saint
Marie called "Coincidence and Likely Stories", also check out the latest
album by Warren Zevon called "Mr. Bad Example" (I do not know if you
would call Zevon a folk singer).

											GW
From: coolidge@speaker.wpd.sgi.com (Don Coolidge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: "Mary Ellen Carter" a true story?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 23:14:57 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov9.204724.1362@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert) writes:
|> 
|> Stan got asked that a lot and he said it was not a true story, although
|> plenty of stories like it had happened.  In other words, he made up the
|> name and he wasn't writing about a particular ship...
|> 
|> On the other hand, his song "Man With Blue Dolphin," is aobut a real
|> life ship salvaging project.  BUt its not as good a song.
|> 
|> When I saw Stan in concert, the one and only time, he explained that
|> MEC was partly inspired by listening to the Grand Old Opry as a kid
|> 'and wanting to write an inspirational song that was "nonreligious
|> nondenominational and nonfattening."
|> 
|> If you have seen the video ONE WARM LINE: The Legacy of Stan Rogers
|> you know that at least one shipwreck survivor claims that singing
|> MEC is what kept him alive on a cold wet night...

First: a big plug for ONE WARM LINE - it's a wonderful tribute (I hesitate
to call anything longer than 4 minutes a "video"; at a bit less than an
hour, ONE WARM LINE is more like a documentary). It's full of live tape
of Stan singing "Barett's Privateers" around a beer-laden kitchen table;
excerpts from real videos with Stan outdoors, lip-synching some of his
earliest recordings; great interviews with Stan, his friends, and family;
and a fantastic amount of information and song. It can be had both from 
Festival Records in Vancouver (the music distributionarm of the Vancouver
Folk Music Festival) and from Valerie Enterprises, Stan's mother's business
that's always distributed Stan's (and Garnet's) material.

Second: There are rumors that there will soon be another Stan-live-in-concert
album released; anybody have any confirmation or other real info?

Third: That shipwrecked sailor got to meet Stan at the last concert he
did in Cambridge, at Paine Hall, Harvard U. Stan was very touched by
the meeting...(a prize to the first person who knows who opened that 
concert for Stan...:^)

- Don Coolidge
From: cir@festival.ed.ac.uk (C Revie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Richard Thompson What's he up to?
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:30:49 GMT

As RT is now resident in California, anybody over there know what he's
up to? Probably time for a new album in the new year, so is he
recording?

Chris						cir@uk.ac.ed.festival
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Trying to identify Scottish folk tune
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:26:32 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton) wrote:
[ about "The Wild Mountain Thyme" ]
> You could also try the version by Van Morrison on "Hard Nose the Highway".
> He calls it "Purple Heater" there but it's the same song
                      ^^^^^^
Am I the only person here to imagine Prince singing this while caressing
a phallic Buck Rogers ray gun?...

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From: isen@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.s.isenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,nj.events
Subject: World-Class Acoustic Blues Concert in my living room
Keywords: Danny Kalb, Blues Project
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:03:50 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.folk
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T


              >>>>>>  HEAR YE!  HEAR YE!  <<<<<<<

!Who:  Danny Kalb, blues guitarist extrordinaire
!What: A Living Room Concert
!When: Friday, November *20*, 1992 at 8:00 PM
!Where: My House -- 916 Broad St. Shrewsbury NJ (see below for directions)
!Why:   So my friends can hear some GREAT acoustic blues! 
!Whow Much?  $10.00 (cheap) - All proceeds to Kalb Rent Fund (worthy cause!)

If you missed Danny Kalb's last concert at my place
you missed some sweet musical magic.  It was totally unmiked --
the wood floors and plaster ceiling made amplification unnecessary.
And Danny, unused to playing to people who actually SIT and LISTEN,
got better, and better, and better as the night progressed.

Danny will do it again (with ALL NEW STUFF) on November 20th.
SPACE IS LIMITED -- So PLEASE let me know if you plan to be there . . .

Danny was the lead guitarist for the LEGENDARY Blues Project (with Al Kooper).  
He has also recorded with Dave Van Ronk's Ragtime Jug Stompers,
Danny currently is doing studio work with Bo Diddley's rhythm section, 
and he is now appearing at gigs, workshops, concerts, and festivals all over 
the Northeast.

BYO beer, wine, soda, etc.
At intermission, I'll have hot water and instant coffee, tea, etc.

David Isenberg 949-9509(wk) or 741-1664(h) or att!hogpa!isen

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DIRECTIONS: To get to my house (916 Broad St. Shrewsbury):
From NJ Parkway exit 109, take Newman Springs Rd. (Rt. 520) East until
it ends in a T with Route 35.  Go Right (South) on Route 35 (or Broad St).
My house is 1.1 miles south of that right turn -- go through
three traffic lights, a yellow flasher, and another traffic light.
That last light is where Sycamore crosses Broad St.
After that my house is the second driveway on the right.
There is a "916" sign on a lamp post on the front lawn.
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From: peter@zone4.ocunix.on.ca (Peter Dubiel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Lorena KcKennit
Organization: Zone4
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 01:04:15 GMT

In article <Bx75Iq.Iz1@cmcl2.nyu.edu> jeff@cns.nyu.edu writes:

>Can someone tell me what Lorenna McKennit's music is like? From a recent ad for a
>new recording, I went to Tower Records expecting to find her in `folk' (or perhaps
>`International-Irish/Celtic). Instead they had her in `New Age' and I decided not
>to buy anything by her before collecting some opinions on her music. 

H'm... Well, definite Celtic influence... She plays harp very well, and has
a very powerful voice. Her music tends to be either interpretations of
traditional music, or originals very similar in style. She's also keen on
adapting poetry to music: "The Lady of Shalott" by Tennyson ends up as the
best track on 'The Visit', and I believe there is some Yeats on 'Elemental'
(don't have that one, but I've heard it).

The only thing that might  cause people to classify her as "new age" is the
fact that there is almost always synthesizer used on her records; not so
much as an instrument but as background texture (similar to Orealis in that
respect, I suppose). The music is usually slower and has a sort of haunting
quality to it... especially with that voice.

I know there are some folk purists who may not like it, but I certainly do.
That's my opinion...



     _/\     /\__Piotr F. Dubiel___peter@zone4.ocunix.on.ca__/\     /\_
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From: killops@ssd.intel.com (Scott Killops)
Subject: Re: Dick Gaughan!!!
Keywords: Among the Top 10
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Divison, Intel Corp.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:44:15 GMT

Well, since the "top ten folk albums of all time" is also
a current topic of discussion...

Last time a "top ten folk album" query hit this board (or
maybe it was the time before that, or the time before that,
or ... :) I nominated Dick Gaughan's "Handful of Earth" for
the list.

As long as I'm using up bandwidth, I should mention that I
saw Bill Staines a couple weeks back here in Portland, Oregon.
He was in great form; catch him if he comes your way!  (I also
screwed up with the calendar and missed the Kevin Burke/Johnny
Cunningham show :( :( :(  I hate it when that happens.)

Chow, Scott
killops@ssd.intel.com
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From: garry@ithaca.com (Garry Wiegand)
Subject: Re: Where can I find tunes to traditional NewEngland dance music on the Int
Organization: Ithaca Software
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:31:28 GMT

In a recent article n7949188@henson.cc.wwu.edu (John Hatten) wrote:
>Where can I find tunes to traditional New England dance music on the Internet?

It's not on the internet, but:

    New England Fiddler's Repertoire
    Randy Miller and Jack Perron
    Fiddlecase Books, East Alstead N.H.  (1983)

often called "the Fiddler's Rep", is the standard around here. My copy 
was $7.65 from:

    Elderly Instruments
    1100 N. Washington
    P.O.B. 14210
    Lansing Michigan 48901
    517-372-7890

Hope this helps.

Garry Wiegand --- garry@ithaca.com --- Ithaca Software, Alameda, California
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From: lola@lucid.com (Lola McCrary)
Subject: Re: Pirate Music Anyone?
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 05:11:56 GMT


There is also a pirate related song from "Cats".

Lola
From: wombat@claris.com (Scott Lindsey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Steeleye Span re-issues
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:56:40 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.folk
Organization: Claris Corporation, Vancouver WA

In article <MRYSB79X@cc.swarthmore.edu>, nparkhu1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Nao
Parkhurst) wrote:
> 
> Is _Live at Last_ the same as _Tonight's the Night_? If so, it's out in the
> U.S.  on Shanachie.

Nope.  _Live at Last!_ is copyrighted 1978 (and was thus recorded before or
during that year).  _Tonight's the Night...Live_ was recorded during the
'91
tour.

Scott Lindsey <wombat@claris.com>
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From: howie@ivory.cc.columbia.edu (Howie Kaye)
Subject: Re: Top Ten Folk Albums
Reply-To: howie@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:57:10 GMT

Strange, so many of these seem so recent...as if everyone forgets work from a
few years ago.  Off the top of my head, and in no apparent order....

"Handful of Earth" by Dick Gaughan
"In the Dark with you" by Greg Brown
"Outlasting the Blues" by Arlo Guthrie
"Weaver's Almanac" by the Weavers
"Happy and Artie Traum" by Happy and Artie Traum
"Sing a Rainbow" by Josh White Jr
"Silly Sisters" by June Tabor and Matty Prior
"A Cut Above" by June Tabor
"Different Therefore Equal" by Peggy Seeger
"Songs from Around the World" by Pete Seeger
"By the Hush" Andy Stewert
"Blood on the Tracks" by Bob Dylan

Hard to stop with just 10 (ok 12).  If I were stuck on a desert island....

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From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Subject: Re: Tom Lehrer
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Distribution: na
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:07:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.014940.19718@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge) writes:
>Further elucidation on the composer of "The Vatican Rag"...

And yet further: he also teaches, or at least taught, at the University of
California at Santa Cruz.  He taught exclusively math for a few years,
and was apparently a great disappointment to students who signed up
for his classes thinking he was going to be funny.  He eventually also
taught a class called "The American Musical Comedy", which involved a
bunch of students reading and singing their way through various Broadway
shows while Lehrer played piano.  I was in the class the first year it
happened; I think he was just as amazed at getting paid to do this as
we were at getting college credit for it.  (On the other hand, I still
remember everything I learned about musicals, and I've forgotten 100%
of my cybernetics and group theory and switching circuit design, so
maybe there's something to this fun stuff.)

The way I heard it -- and this is all rumor, because he _never_ talked
about his singing career -- Lehrer quit performing when he was sued,
successfully, by Werner Von Braun, about whom he had written some rather
scurrilous stuff.  ("Some have harsh words for this man of renown / But
some say our attitude should be one of gratitude / Like the widows and
cripples in old London town / Who owe their large pensions to Werner
Von Braun."  Or, even worse, "You too can be a big hero / If you learn
to count backwards to zero. / 'In German and English I know how to count
down / And I'm learning Chinese' says Werner von Braun.")  A court order
may or may not have been involved in his decision to quit.

I seem to remember hearing that he also wrote some songs for a kids'
TV show -- "The Electric Company", perhaps?  I've never heard them,
and I'd love it if anyone could tell me where to find a recording.

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From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: Kate and Anna McGarrigle
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.142639.16231@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> afd@bellcore.com writes:
>In article 29829@nwnexus.WA.COM, wjones@halcyon.com (Warren Jones) writes:
>.
>>
>>"Heartbeats Accelerating" is their most recent release (as far as
>>I know).  I know of five other recordings:
>>
>>    (1) "Kate and Anna McGarrigle">
>>    (2) "Dancer With Bruised Knees" (1977)
>>    (3) "Pronto Monto" (1978)
>>    (4) "Love Over and Over" (1982) ->
>>    (5) "French Record" -- I don't have this one, so I can't comment.
>
>Which do you recommend for someone unfamiliar with their music?

They're all good.  I'd start with the first one, or maybe the second, or
maybe the third, or maybe ....

-- 
Mike Godfrey                                "I came so far for beauty,
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT                       I left so much behind."
migod@turing.toronto.edu                                -- Leonard Cohen
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Ultimate top 10 of folkalbums
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:17:52 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


Capercaillie's "Sidewaulk" and Runrig's "The Highland Connection"
would be near the top of my top 10.The first one is available on
Green Linnet.

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From: dmr@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Daniel Rosenblum)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: folk music & political movements
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:47:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University, Graduate School of Management, Newark, N.J.

In <1992Nov9.202727.23189@bony1.bony.com> billg@bony1.bony.com
 (Bill Gripp) writes:

>Could you (or someone else =B^] ) post [the less well-known political
> verses of This Land Is Your Land]?

There was a long thread on this a year or so ago here.  Woody
originally wrote the song as a reply to God Bless America, which
he hated (I don't blame him).  The original words are in Joe
Klein's biography, _Woody_Guthrie:_A_Life_ (New York: A. A. Knopf),
1980.  He originally had the last line of each verse being "God
blessed America for me" and he later changed it to "This land was
made for you and me."
-- 
Daniel M. Rosenblum, Assistant Professor, Quantitative Studies Area,
   Graduate School of Management, Rutgers University (Newark Campus)
ROSENBLUM@DRACO.RUTGERS.EDU                      ROSENBLUM@ZODIAC.BITnet
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From: ugo@eng.umd.edu (Ugo Piomelli)
Subject: Re: Arthur McBride
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 22:06:58 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: ugo@maserati.eng.umd.edu



In article <1992Nov12.190307.4826@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, you write:
>ugo@eng.umd.edu (Ugo Piomelli) writes:
>
>
>>In article <wsq4TB4w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us>, donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal) writes:
>>>
>>>Here are the words and chords as written in "Folksongs & Ballads Popular in 
>>>Ireland, Volume 3" published by Ossian Publications. It is written in F, 
>
>>>"This 18/19th cent. song was collected by Patrick Joyce in Limerick in the 
>>>1840's. Also in Donegal by Petrie, while several versions are found in 
>>>Scotland, Suffolk, and Devon. The tunes in most cases differ slightly."
>
>>This seems to settle the question about the origins of this song.  
>
>With respect, and not wishing to make a mountain out of a molehill
>I don't see that it does.  We have evidence that it sound favour and 
>flourished throughout the isles like many other songs, that doesn't make
>it `Traditional Irish'. I don't think it matters greatly per se,
>
.............
>
>Regards,
>Matthew Wright

How do you determine the origin of a song? The fact that it was  collected 
in Ireland 150 years ago makes it Irish.  This does not mean that there
are no other versions in Scotland, England or Madagascar. The versions
that most people in the recent postings have been talking about are all
related to the P.W.Joyce one, so I would call them Irish.  Like
I would call "The Gipsy Dave(y)", American, even though there is a Traditional
Irish (Raggle-Taggle Gipsy) version, and who knows how many more (perhaps even
from East Anglia? :-) :-) ). 

Anyway, is it really important? Whether it originates in Tajikistan or in 
Co. Donegal, it's a beautiful ballad.  By the way, I can think of any number of 
beautiful English Traditional songs. They are not all Scottish or Irish.

Best regards.

Ugo