HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kristoff@genbank.bio.net (David Kristofferson)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: Reversal of E-mail addresses.
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:02:20 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Organization: GenBank Online Service

Rob et al.,

	The address reversal problem was reported to Daresbury not
long after the transfer of the lists to there from IRLEARN.  They
looked into it and found that the problem involved the UK mail
gateways.  I have been told that they are working on a fix for this,
but it obviously is not yet complete.  Alan Bleasby and Paul Griffiths
at Daresbury are in a better position than I to elaborate further on
where the solution to this problem stands at the moment.

				Sincerely,

				Dave Kristofferson
				GenBank Manager

				kristoff@genbank.bio.net
Newsgroups: bionet.general
From: hsaiah@ul9000.unil.ch
Subject: URGENT!!! EPA medium formula?
Organization: University of Lausanne CH (Switzerland)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:58:57 GMT

Hello I have a small problem, big for me. Is anyone could help me?
I need URGENTLY the composition of a medium for ecotoxicological test on
      ^^^^^^^^^^^
crustacean.  I lost the formula and I have actually experiments running with
this medium. The book were I could find the formula does'nt exist in
Switzerland.
 I wonder if someone could just look to the original book where is
describe the formula for the  moderately hard synthetic freshwater EPA medium:
                              `^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 (EPA= Environmental Protection Agency)

what I need:
NaHCO3......??  mg/l
MgSO4......??   mg/l
CaCl2.......?? mg/l
KCl..........?? mg/l                (ph = 7,6 +- 02,  Hardness 80-100mg/l CaCO3)

The book is:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Title:         Methods for measuring the acute toxicity of effluents to
                 freshwater and marine organisms / edited by William H. Peltier
                 and Cornelius I. Weber. 3rd ed. Cincinnati, Ohio :
                 Environmental Monitoring and Support Laboratory, Office of
                 Research and Development, U.S. Environmental Protection
                 Agency, 1985.
Description:   xv, 216 p. : ill., forms ; 28 cm.

Doc Numbers:   Govt Doc No.:  EP 1.23/5:600/4-85-013
               Report No.:    EPA/600/4-85/013

Notes:         "March 1985."
               "EPA/600/4-85/013."
               Includes bibliographies.

Subjects:      Water quality bioassay -- United States.
               Water -- Pollution -- United States -- Measurement.

Other entries: Weber, Cornelius I.
               Peltier, William.
               Environmental Monitoring and Support Laboratory, Cincinnati,
                 Ohio.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
thanks in advance for your help. Mail directly to me the answer please. 
					bye,        Henni

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Henni SAIAH , Lausanne University, Switzerland  :
Email:    Hsaiah@ulys.unil.ch	(internet)      :
	  Hsaiah@clsuni51.bitnet  (Bitnet)      :
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Newsgroups: bionet.general
From: harper@convex.csc.FI (Rob Harper)
Subject: Re: Reversal of E-mail addresses.
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Distribution: bionet
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 13:31:57 GMT

In <1992Aug18.111837.23347@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri 
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
(Tony Travis) writes:

>I'm replying to bioforum@daresbury by editing the To: field manually.

Yes I can see that you have sent it via E-mail to bioforum@daresbury.ac.uk
since your address has been transposed back to front once again.
--
   Rob Harper                     /   E-mail:          harper@convex.csc.fi    
   Finnish State Computer Centre  /   Molbio/software: harper@nic.funet.fi
   P.O. Box 40, SF-02101 Espoo    /   Telephone:       +358 0 457 2076
   Finland                        /   Fax:             +358 0 457 2302
From: gribskov@sdsc.edu (Michael Gribskov)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: bionette stuff
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:26:07 GMT
Reply-To: gribskov@sdsc.edu
Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center @UCSD.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sluggo.sdsc.edu

I thought that perhaps I had just missed an RFD on this in one of my recent trips
out of town.  I also have never heard anything about "bionette" before.  Where
and when was this discussed?  Is there a problem with distribution, perhaps?

Michael Gribskov
gribskov@sdsc.edu
Newsgroups: bionet.general
From: meehan@apsicc.aps.edu (voxet praeterea nihil)
Subject: disredard this test
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:11:00 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM
From: ajt@swan.doc.ic.ac.uk (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: Maize newsgroup
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:10:47 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: swan.doc.ic.ac.uk
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

adwright@iastate.edu wrote:
: Does anyone know if there is a maize biology newsgroup? If there is not
: one I would like to know how much interest there would be in setting one
: up.

How about bionet.plants ??

I am working on the relationship between stem anatomy and degradability
in Co125 and W401 Zea mays cultivars.

	Tony.
Sat, 22 Aug 1992 11: 21:19 +0100
               Sat, 22 Aug 1992 12: 23:03 +0100
From: amolina@es.cica (amolina)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: science and poetry
Date: 22 Aug 92 11:23:03 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Content-Identifier: 86
Original-To: bioforum@uk.ac.daresbury (Receipt Notification Requested) (Non Receipt Notification Requested)
Conversion: Prohibited


	About the relation between science and poetry, Owen White 
says: 
	*they are both driven by wonderment.
	*both disciplines groom their students to have their own
		ideas, but usually ignore them if they do.

	Of course I agree with you. But what more surprisses (and de-
lights) me is the idea that both are essentialy moved by INTUITION (if
one can clearly differentiate it from logic but sub-conscious processes
in the human brain). You KNOW something before the demonstratation (of
course in science you MUST demonstrate it by experiments, comparison of
data, etc., and in poetry this isn't needed).

	Intuition is something so surprising to me ... (perhaps too
much? ..., may be).

	
	----------------------------------------------------

	DON QUIJOTE RISES AGAIN

	----------------------------------------------------
From: AJB@UK.AC.DARESBURY.DLVH
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: Global unsubscription
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:26:00 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Original-To: BIOFORUM@UK.AC.DARESBURY

Dr. A.J.Travis writes

>Can anyone tell me why news@rri.sari.ac.uk has been unsubscribed from
>*all* biosci maling lists at daresbury.ac.uk ??

Don't be silly. Are you seriously expecting global input here?

>I've had no response to my mail from daresbury.

A problem has been identified, today, with certain unsub messages (apologies
to those who have been affected) not effecting an unsub (the problem is now
being rectified). This does not affect other messages sent to
biosci@daresbury.ac.uk.

>Is this a conseqence of our UK-order addresses breaking the list server?

You have admitted in a previous posting that your knowledge of the subject
is `not great'. The answer is no.

It is very easy to complain. When did you last see a mail bounce since
Daresbury took over maintenance of the European/African/Asian lists? There
has been no instance of any posting breaking the NEWS/EMAIL server.

Please address (non)constructive criticism to either biosci@genbank.bio.net
or biosci@daresbury.ac.uk and not burden the entire readership. If normal
channels fail then Dave and I can easily be contacted.

Alan Bleasby
SERC Daresbury Laboratory
UK
From: kristoff@genbank.bio.net (David Kristofferson)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: Maize newsgroup
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:52:44 GMT
Organization: GenBank Online Service

ajt@swan.doc.ic.ac.uk (Tony Travis) writes:

>adwright@iastate.edu wrote:
>: Does anyone know if there is a maize biology newsgroup? If there is not
>: one I would like to know how much interest there would be in setting one
>: up.

>How about bionet.plants ??

>I am working on the relationship between stem anatomy and degradability
>in Co125 and W401 Zea mays cultivars.

>	Tony.

Tony,

	I just sent out a call for discussion on bionet.maize.
Perhaps we should begin by determining whether bionet.maize
discussions should just start out on the existing bionet.plants or, if
the discussion demonstrates a lot of interest, perhaps have
bionet.maize be a subset, i.e., bionet.plants.maize, since we did
mention previously that significant subsets of plant biology would be
spun off into hierarchies.

	I will be away until 1 Sept. so I'll let you guys duke it out
on this one here and will read the outcome when I get back.

				Sincerely,

				Dave Kristofferson
				GenBank Manager

				kristoff@genbank.bio.net
Newsgroups: bionet.general
From: adwright@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Maize newsgroup
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:45:32 GMT

Does anyone know if there is a maize biology newsgroup? If there is not
one I would like to know how much interest there would be in setting one
up.

Allen
From: ftmx@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: <None>
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:56:22 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Hi, there:
	Anyone who has data or other materials about the relations of
introcellular organs? I am interested in the research of 
interorgan-relationship. Anyone who has information about this please tell 
me. Thank you very much. Anyone who is interested in this please don't 
hesitate to contact me.
	Thank you very much.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Friday, 14 Aug 1992 08:09:46 EDT
From: <STROBELF@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject:    FAO data access?

I'm posting this for a friend: would anybody know whether (and if yes, where)
FAO data is accessible somewhere on the net? Thanks a lot.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Frank Strobel, Dept. of Economics, Queen's University, Kingston, Canada
 e-mail:  STROBELF@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
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From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: bionette stuff
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:56:45 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Public Health Research Institute (New York)

> You are a bit late in piping up.  Unfortunately when the opportunity
> was announced for discussion on this newsgroup, no one said anything.
> Discussion ended almost a month ago and voting is also just about over
> (Sunday the 23rd).

Maybe I've just been being oblivious, but this is the first I've ever heard
about it.  Personally, if I opened a topic for discussion and no one said
anything, I would assume that either 1) the word never got out or 2) nobody
was interested.
-- 
roy@wombat.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
From: AJB@UK.AC.DARESBURY.DLVH
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: Reversal of E-mail addresses
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:50:00 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Original-To: BIOFORUM@UK.AC.DARESBURY


As was pointed out in an email message a few weeks ago; this problem
is a known one and is being worked on.

Alan Bleasby
BIOSCI
SERC Daresbury Laboratory
Warrington WA4 4AD
UK
From: dordaz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald E Ordaz Jr)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Immunology text
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:02:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Ohio State University


Hello All,

I'm conducting a quick survey regarding textbooks used in teaching an
introductory Immunology course.

The question :

What, if any, text do you use or have you used for an introductory immunology
course, at the undergraduate level?

Would you recommend the text?

Any strong or weak points about the text?

Please e-mail me directly, I'l post the results for anyone interested.

Thanks

Don Ordaz
Department of Microbiology
The Ohio State University

dordaz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: RAEMBAKE@CC.CURTIN.EDU.AU
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: kew gardens UK
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:50:52 GMT
Distribution: bionet

From:	IN%"kristoff@genbank.bio.net"  "Dave Kristofferson" 14-AUG-1992 09:09:30.90
To:	RAEMBAKE@cc.curtin.edu.au
CC:	kristoff@genbank.bio.net
Subj:	RE: kew garden UK

Return-path: <kristoff@genbank.bio.net>
Received: from genbank.bio.net by cc.curtin.edu.au with PMDF#10194; Fri, 14 Aug
 1992 09:09 +8:00
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 -0700
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 18:09:00 PDT
From: Dave Kristofferson <kristoff@genbank.bio.net>
Subject: RE: kew garden UK
In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 10 Aug 1992 08:58 +8:00
To: RAEMBAKE@cc.curtin.edu.au
Cc: kristoff@genbank.bio.net
Message-id: <CMM.0.90.2.713754540.kristoff@genbank.bio.net>
X-Envelope-to: RAEMBAKE

> hi.
> i try to help an ozzie scientist stay near Kew Gardens for Feb93  and
> wondered what contacts you had to help me arrange this through email for her.
> the exchange rate ozzie to pounds is very bad and kew is a tourist area. we
> seek a scientist home or other place for 3-4 wks so she can commute easily
> to kew for her research. thanks. ann baker
> 

Trying mailing a note to bioforum@genbank.bio.net and see if anyone
can give you a hand.  I personally have no sources that could help in
this matter.

Dave
From: ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: bionette stuff
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:49:38 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: bioforum@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <92718205919.MIN-LNPAa18017.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you write:
: [...]
: feel the need to write the letter???!!!"  I humbly submit that if
: women scientists feel the need for a group like bionette, then I can't
: take quite seriously statements from men that women are already equal.

Well, maybe you should take such statements a little more seriously
because some of the men who say women are equal in science (as I did)
actually believe it.  I support and endorse femminist views, but female
chavinism is no better than its male counterpart.

If you are asserting that women scientists are at a disadvantage
because of male prejudice in science then I agree.  However, that is
because some chauvinistic male scientists DO NOT regard their female
colleagues as equal.

Surely, it is better to destroy male chauvinism than create a female
equivalent?  I don't see how the creation of a bionette group helps in
breaking down Victorian attitudes to women in science.  As I said
previously women ARE equal by right and I believe it is quite wrong to
regard them in any other way.

	Tony.

--
Dr. A.J.Travis,                       |  Tony Travis
Rowett Research Institute,            |  JANET: <ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri>
Greenburn Road, Bucksburn,            |  other: <ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk>
Aberdeen, AB2 9SB. UK.                |  phone: 0224-712751
From: ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: FAO data access?
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:23:33 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: bioforum@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <92718041336.MIN-LJIAa18017.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you write:
: In article <92227.080946STROBELF@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, <STROBELF@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
: > I'm posting this for a friend: would anybody know whether (and if yes, where)
: > FAO data is accessible somewhere on the net? Thanks a lot.

I worked on an FAO contract two or three years ago and obtained a login
on a VAX at the Rome Headquarters which I accessed via X25 packet
switch networks IPSS (UK) and ITAPAC (Italy).  It was slow, but it did
work for small data sets.

Unfortunately the large IBM machines were/are? not connected to public
networks but I know people who have emailed uuencoded files to/from FAO
via accounts at the University of Rome.  The uuencoding is needed
because EBCDIC machines are involved.  The FAO people polled accounts
at the University, or used sneakernet.

Quite a lot of FAO work is done on PC's BTW (the VAX was running
all-in-one and was primarily an office automation machine but it could
talk to the IBM machines).

We ended up posting floppy disks for the serious stuff though :->

	Tony.

--
Dr. A.J.Travis,                       |  Tony Travis
Rowett Research Institute,            |  JANET: <ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri>
Greenburn Road, Bucksburn,            |  other: <ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk>
Aberdeen, AB2 9SB. UK.                |  phone: 0224-712751
From: kristoff@GENBANK.BIO.NET (Dave Kristofferson)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: bionette stuff
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:32:53 GMT
Distribution: bionet

> 
> 	I don't think is a good idea that one of "bionette".

You are a bit late in piping up.  Unfortunately when the opportunity
was announced for discussion on this newsgroup, no one said anything.
Discussion ended almost a month ago and voting is also just about over
(Sunday the 23rd).

				Sincerely,

				Dave Kristofferson
				GenBank Manager

				kristoff@genbank.bio.net
Newsgroups: bionet.general
From: meehan@apsicc.aps.edu (voxet praeterea nihil)
Subject: test, please disregard
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:42:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15: 53:01 +0100
               Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16: 54:34 +0100
From: amolina@es.cica (amolina)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: bionette stuff
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:54:34 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Content-Identifier: 72
Original-To: bioforum@uk.ac.daresbury (Receipt Notification Requested) (Non Receipt Notification Requested)
Conversion: Prohibited


	I don't think is a good idea that one of "bionette". Things 
women are interestied on, also seem interesting to men (I am a man),
and if you, women, think we, men, are not going to understand you, etc,
make us try!!!. If you don't want discrimination to exist, creation of
"special" foro (just for women) is a bad step, in my oppinion.

	Well, the fact that discrimination agains women exists in
science sounds so stupid for me that I simply cannot believe a person
(a man) can do it. May be I see things under my "idilic" point of view,
but science shouldn't care about gonads. 
	Only after reading the last report of Women in Scince I can
believe such a stupid thing as discrimination against women exists in
science. But please, don't you create a lonely and protected area to
express your ideas, be absolutely sure I am deeply interstied on your 
problems, ideas, dreams, resources, stories, science, poetry, life, 
words, art, ... LIFE.

	Best wishes from the sunny Seville.


+-------------------------------------------------+
*                                                 *
* Antonio Molina-Pachsn,                          *
* Dep. de Fisiologia y Biofmsica,                 *
* Facultad de Medicina, Univ. de Sevilla,         *
* Avda. Sanchez-Pizjuan 4, 41009 Sevilla,         *
*         		SPAIN.                    *
*                                     		  *
* e-mail   amolina@cica.es                        *
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NO BIRD SOARS TOO HIGH IF HE SOARS WITH HIS/HER OWN WINGS
				William Blake.

Adiss a todos/as.
From: owhite@nmsu.edu (smouldering dog)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: Science and Poetry
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:46:39 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Computing Research Lab

In article <1992Aug19.105710.27770@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> amolina@es.cica
(amolina) writes: 
>Is anybody having an oppinion about the relation between science and
>poetry?. 

the similarity between art and science is:

	*they are both driven by wonderment.
	*both disciplines groom their students to have their own
		ideas, but usually ignore them if they do.

science is different from art in that, in art if something works, you
dont have to explain why.

--
owen white

-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-*-=-=-*-=-
	its hard to know what matters when its mostly made of space.
-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-=-*-=-*-=-=-*-=-
From: Rob.Harper@CSC.FI (Rob Harper)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Reversal of E-mail addresses.
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:05:08 GMT
Distribution: bionet

I would just like to report a small bug which might be troubling some people
on the BioSci lists.

Recently Will Nelson said:

I tried replying to you by e-mail, but the elements
of the fully qualified domain name in your "From:"
line are reversed. 

This seems to be a problem for people who post messages to the BioSci
node at DARESBURY. For some reason E-mail messages are transposed to
the "backward" UK JANET style. Here are some recent examples from the
bionet.software newsgroup where EUROPEANS posting E-MAIL to DARESBURY wind
up with their address reversed.

JRAMON@es.uam.fmed.mvax
PARSONS_A@uk.co.pcr.snd01
MBRCN@UK.AC.DARESBURY.DLVH
BIOPHYS@UK.AC.IMPERIAL.PHYSICS.VAX1
florian@at.ac.boku.iris
GBCA26@UK.AC.GLASGOW.VMS3
ES@UK.AC.AFRC.JII
Rob.Harper@fi.csc

The BioSci lists are set up so that the REPLY always goes to the SENDER
rather than to the list so when anybody tries to do a REPLY then they 
get their reply bounced back at them with a message like.

**   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
**550 <Rob.Harper@fi.csc>... Host unknown

As far as I can see this reversal of addresses only takes place when someone
uses E-mail to post to the DARESBURY BioSci node and not if they post E-mail
to the GENBANK node. Neither is there any problem when followups are done
via Usenet/Netnews.

Perhaps this slight inconsistancy could be looked into, and people should be
aware that in the "big world" node names take the form 
@sub-domanin.domain.country for example @convex.csc.fi

So be on the look out when you do replies, and if you get bounced mail from
a node then try reversing the order of the address.

(Qualifier: UK users go your own merry way)

   Rob Harper                     /   E-mail:          harper@convex.csc.fi    
   Finnish State Computer Centre  /   Molbio/software: harper@nic.funet.fi
   P.O. Box 40, SF-02101 Espoo    /   Telephone:       +358 0 457 2076
   Finland                        /   Fax:             +358 0 457 2302