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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Mawmaw and Pawpaw origin?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:38:52 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1eb77gINN8bb@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>>Over the last
>>century it has acquired a perjorative connotation, which I think is a shame.  

>Only to the extent that it is identified with the South, which has
>acquired a perjorative connotation.  Southern accents are routinely
>used by comedians to denote people of low intellect.

I encounter this almost every day at work.  We provide remote customer
support, but I encounter the "you sound too Suthun', therefore you are
an idiot" attitude all the time.

It doesn't matter that I have two Bachelor of Science degrees (one in
Computer Science, the other in Mathematics), that I spent two years in
Graduate School working on my Master's Degree and had my thesis published
in a British scientific journal, or that I've been employed in my present
position for over 8 years.  They hear the twang in my voice, and all
efforts at establishing my expertise are out the window.

For example, I was trying to describe to a customer in the Northeast 
the solution to their problem.  They insisted I was obviously wrong, so
I put my manager (from Pennsylvania) on the phone, _reading a script
I'd written using the same words and phrases I'd used when attempting
to communicate with this customer_.  Since the customer was hearing 
a non-Southern voice, they accepted the _same_ solution I'd been
proposing for three days.

I call this the "Billy Joe Jim Bob" syndrome. Anyone else run into
this same prejudice?

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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: The Braxton County Monster
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:33:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu
Keywords: slack

In <102000@bu.edu> mammal@bass.bu.edu (Ronald Miller) writes:


>A previous poster (Dale.James@cs.cmu.edu) happened to mention the
>Braxton Co. W.Va. area and the Flatwoods Green Monster.  As I recall
>there was also a Braxton County Monster, descriptions of which have
>surfaced from time to time in the Charleston Gazette (often in the
>late & lamented James Dent's columns...).  Anyone out there recall
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ??????????????????????????

>the story behind the Monster?

>R.P. Miller, displaced West Virginian
>mammal@bass.bu.edu

I'm embarassed to admit this (due to his being a distant cousin of
mine), but I wasn't aware James Dent had passed away.  When?  How?

Please e-mail responses.  Thanks!

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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Southern speech impediment (Was Re: Mawmaw and Pawpaw...)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:39:12 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1992Nov21.145514.15904@news.eng.convex.com> richardh@convex.com (Richard Hargrove) writes:

>In article <1992Nov20.045814.25347@athena.cs.uga.edu> kirby@athena.cs.uga.edu (Steven Kirby) writes:
>>become a militant.  I work with a bunch of ecclesiastically deprived
>>Northern Americans (my Mamaw raised me to call 'em damnyankees, but these

>I prefer to think of them as culturally deprived.

I prefer to think of them simply as "leaving".  :-)

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From: gmclucki@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gemma McLuckie)
Subject: Re: taters with the jackets on...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:24:07 GMT

In article <voyager-141192014535@opsmac2.cc.nd.edu.> voyager@irishmvs.cc.nd.edu
 (R.allen Jervis) writes:
>table...
>==do other folx from hereabouts eat the skin of a baked potatoe?

Now that you mention it, I didn't start eating the skin until I was an adult.  
I remember my mother-in-law asking me how I got the skins so crispy.  I just 
scrubbed them with a veggie brush, wrapped in foil and stuck in them in the 
oven at 350 degrees for about an hour.  Don't know how that could be any 
different than how she did them.

Gemma McLuckie
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:37:29 EST
From: <TSMITH@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Most Hated Recipe

The worse thing my mom ever made was this God-awful conncoction called
"Cabbage Burger Bake".  It was made out of sausage, cabbage, rice and various
asundry spices, all of which I like individually, but not in this particular
combination, and baked in a casserole dish.  Well the grease from the sausage t
hat didn't get absorbed in the rice just sort of sank to the bottom and laid
there, much the same way it just laid in your stomach like a boat anchor.  I
vaguely remember one of the kids in our family actually vomiting after eating
the stuff.  Mom didn't make this too often after that.

T.S.
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Mawmaw and Pawpaw origin?
Summary: Been there, done that -- it's strange how it works.
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:12:40 GMT

In article <Bxz50t.vs@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>In <1eb77gINN8bb@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>
>>>Over the last
>>>century it has acquired a perjorative connotation, which I think is a shame.  
>
>>Only to the extent that it is identified with the South, which has
>>acquired a perjorative connotation.  Southern accents are routinely
>>used by comedians to denote people of low intellect.
>
>I encounter this almost every day at work.  We provide remote customer
>support, but I encounter the "you sound too Suthun', therefore you are
>an idiot" attitude all the time.
>
>It doesn't matter that I have two Bachelor of Science degrees (one in
>Computer Science, the other in Mathematics), that I spent two years in
>Graduate School working on my Master's Degree and had my thesis published
>in a British scientific journal, or that I've been employed in my present
>position for over 8 years.  They hear the twang in my voice, and all
>efforts at establishing my expertise are out the window.
>
>For example, I was trying to describe to a customer in the Northeast 
>the solution to their problem.  They insisted I was obviously wrong, so
>I put my manager (from Pennsylvania) on the phone, _reading a script
>I'd written using the same words and phrases I'd used when attempting
>to communicate with this customer_.  Since the customer was hearing 
>a non-Southern voice, they accepted the _same_ solution I'd been
>proposing for three days.
>
>I call this the "Billy Joe Jim Bob" syndrome. Anyone else run into
>this same prejudice?

I've had a few headlong run-ins with that kind of non-thinking, myself --
but the funny thing is, the only folks who have ever demonstrated it to me
have been those from the northeast.  My wife was born and raised in rural
South Dakota, and *no one* up there has ever given me any static about my
drawl -- of course,  maybe that's because they can't figure out just *where*
I'm from, what with being a native of eastern Kentucky, but having grown up
there, then in Oklahoma, and finally here in Texas.  My kin in Kentucky say
I sound like I'm from Ohio, and the in-laws in the Dakotas and Minnesota
think I'm from Arkansas...:-)

--PLH (oh, well, it's not *me* that has the little identity crisis...)

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From: gmclucki@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gemma McLuckie)
Subject: Re: Cookin
Keywords: Potatoes
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:20:44 GMT

In article <lbryant.7.721674368@AFIT.AF.MIL> lbryant@AFIT.AF.MIL (Lee N. Bryant
) writes about potatoes:

The best way for potatoes is fried.  Peel white baking potatoes, slice real 
thin, layer in hot grease in an iron skillet, cook until soft and translucent 
but brown around the edges.  Don't forget *lots* of salt.  (Do forget your
doctor's warnings for just once, though).  Serve with fresh green beans cooked 
with onion and a hambone and sliced ripe tomatoes from the garden.

A variation:  Brown breaded porkchops in an iron skillet, set meat aside, layer
sliced potatoes and onions in skillet.  Put meat back on top.  Pour over a can
of cream of mushroom soup, thinned a little with milk and water.  Cover and let
simmer until potatoes are soft.  Num-num!  (Another favorite I haven't eaten in
years because of high cholesterol and hypertension -- shucks).

Most Hated Iron Skillet Supper: Mom's Yucko Casserole.  
(Now, I swear we used to have this stuff every other night.  Mom says my memory 
is *just* a little shaky.)
Brown hamburger in iron skillet.  Mix in a can of mixed vegetables (gag), 
onions and cream of something soup.  Put unbaked biscuits on the top.  Bake in 
oven until biscuits are brown.

Anybody else have most-hated recipes?

Gemma McLuckie
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From: richardh@convex.com (Richard Hargrove)
Subject: Re: Southern speech impediment (Was Re: Mawmaw and Pawpaw...)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:55:14 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In article <1992Nov20.045814.25347@athena.cs.uga.edu> kirby@athena.cs.uga.edu (Steven Kirby) writes:
>become a militant.  I work with a bunch of ecclesiastically deprived
>Northern Americans (my Mamaw raised me to call 'em damnyankees, but these

I prefer to think of them as culturally deprived.

Richard Hargrove
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From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Mawmaw and Pawpaw origin?
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:57:04 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
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In article vs@hpuerca.atl.hp.com, mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>
>>Southern accents are routinely
>>used ... to denote people of low intellect.
>
>I encounter this almost every day at work.  
>
>I call this the "Billy Joe Jim Bob" syndrome. Anyone else run into
>this same prejudice?

My wife has a pronounced East Tennessee accent.  She also is
attractive, has long blond hair, and big boobs.  Twin degrees in
Physics and Mathematics and a successful career help not the slightest
in her attempts to be taken seriously.

Anyone who actually works with her quickly comes to appreciate her
qualifications, but first impressions are always a killer.
(unfortunately, job interviews are little more than extended first
impressions).


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From: richardh@convex.com (Richard Hargrove)
Subject: Re: Mawmaw and Pawpaw origin?
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:50:32 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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I said:
>>>Over the last century it (Bubba) has
>>>acquired a perjorative connotation, which I think is a shame.  

Mike Reaser said:
>I call this the "Billy Joe Jim Bob" syndrome. Anyone else run into
>this same prejudice?

First, let me apologize for mis-spelling "pejorative."  

I think a lot of people from the South have encountered this.  When I 
encountered it 20 years ago, I called it the "talkin' monkey" syndrome 
("Those people looked at me like I was a talkin' monkey!".)  To be honest, 
the reaction brought out a defensive response (a cuss'ed streak - "You're 
just bein' contrary, child") which tended to strengthen my accent; I decided
it was something to be proud of, much like the name Tarheel for North
Carolinians.

But more specifically, the nickname Bubba has become quite negative, 
implying a figure best described as stupid, slovenly, and brutish.
You know, the beer and pick-up type (gotcha! how's that for a stereotype.)
Here in Texas, The Bubba Vote is seriously considerd in local and state-wide
politic analyses.  This does a dis-service to a lot of Bubba's, past and
present, that don't fit the stereotype.  However, railing against changes
in a living language is analogous to trying to stop the tides :-(.

regards,
Richard Hargrove
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From: mammal@bass.bu.edu (Ronald Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: The Braxton County Monster
Summary: see above
Keywords: slack
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:12:36 GMT
Reply-To: mammal@bass.bu.edu (Ronald P. Miller)
Distribution: na
Organization: Boston University School of Medicine


A previous poster (Dale.James@cs.cmu.edu) happened to mention the
Braxton Co. W.Va. area and the Flatwoods Green Monster.  As I recall
there was also a Braxton County Monster, descriptions of which have
surfaced from time to time in the Charleston Gazette (often in the
late & lamented James Dent's columns...).  Anyone out there recall
the story behind the Monster?

R.P. Miller, displaced West Virginian
mammal@bass.bu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: kirby@athena.cs.uga.edu (Steven Kirby)
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving at Mamaw's
Keywords: breakfast
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:24:15 GMT


Goodness, me.  After all the time I've spent messing around on the net, I've
finally found my people!  This is truly a sight for weary eyes (not to
mention fingers.)  My fondest childhood memories are of Thanksgiving dinners
at my Mamaw's.  For the first time in ages, I'm getting together with the
folks back home in Kentucky this Thanksgiving, so this thread struck a cord.
With all the drivel on the net, it's truly rewarding to see a group so
genuinely nice.  Then, considering the topic, I shoulda expected that.
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: John Jay Hooker and the 1982 Knoxville W
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:47:16 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 26191@utkux1.utk.edu, mwauford@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (Melissa Wauford) writes:
>
>I'll just point out that the 1982 World's Fair was actually a success
>for everyone EXCEPT Jake Butcher and his pals. 

NOT!!!!! 

In typical East Tennesse good ole boy fashion, only those related to or
contributing to Butcher and his pals made any money on the deal.  The
hotel/motel referal service was bought and paid for,
parking/entertainment was only listed in the "guides" if the proper
gratuities were made, etc.  A boatload of people lost serious money on
the affair.

This doesn't even consider the hundreds of honest businesspeople in E.
TN who suffered losses when Butcher's bank collapsed.

>Overall, it was a pretty good deal, I think.

Yes, the city benefited, but in spite of, not because of, the way the
Fair was run.

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From: patrick@blanco.is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving at Mamaw's
Keywords: breakfast
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:16:10 GMT

In article <Bxo7Ds.I08@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>, laura@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Laura M. Edwards) writes:
>In article <Bxn0CF.sA@access.digex.com> cptnerd@access.digex.com (Captain Nerd) writes:
>-In article <1992Nov12.122718.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> mcmill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>->
>->
>->
>->	Good news!  The whole family is headed down to Harlen county for
>->Thanksgiving.  We have decided to go to Mamaw's (who lives on Forrester's Creek
>-
>-	Hey, we'll practically be next door to each other!  Well, not really,
>-but I will be in Middlesboro, which ain't that far from Harlan!

...it just feels like it, having to make that long drive up 119 from Pineville.
:-)

>I wish I could be in Cumberland for the holiday!  My family is the Morris' on
>College Drive in Cumberland, and we usually have a huge turnout for Thanksgiving.
>We can't make it this year, though.  I miss my cousins!
>
>Laura

You mean someone ELSE is from the Tri-Cities area?  I'm from Benham, myself, and
my father was born in Lynch and grew up in Cumberland -- a couple of the 
retaining walls he built over across the street from the football field over
in the New York section are still standing, almost 50 years later.

(Now, if I didn't have to wait another seven months to go home to see the 
kinfolks...)

-- 
Patrick L. Humphrey  (patrick@is.rice.edu)  Rice Networking & Computing Systems
     +1 713 528-3626 at Rice. 776-1541 at home. 667-6554 at Palace Lanes. 


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From: kirby@athena.cs.uga.edu (Steven Kirby)
Subject: Re: Southern speech impediment (Was Re: Mawmaw and Pawpaw...)
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:58:14 GMT

Amen, Sister Bonnie.  My reaction to this socially-approved stereotyping
of Southerners generally, and Appalachians in particular, has been to
become a militant.  I work with a bunch of ecclesiastically deprived
Northern Americans (my Mamaw raised me to call 'em damnyankees, but these
are the politically correct 1990s and I like to think that I can change
with the times).  When one of these EDNAs makes a disparaging remark
about the South--and especially about Southern accents--I just remind
them that, as the saying goes, "Delta is ready when you are."  How I
survived 21 months in Champaign, Illinois is a mystery known only to God.

--Steve

Steven Kirby  (Stevie Raye to my closest friends)
University of Georgia
kirby@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: MedIa AssASsiN
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Re:Know him,
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:59:36 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <92321.005250TH5733A@auvm.american.edu> Thomas G. Hopkins  
<TH5733A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> I am going to kill all of you.
> 
> 
> 


--Blow me fuck-up!





                                                    ....MedIA AsSassIn
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: 900361p@ace.acadiau.ca (MICHAEL CHARLES PIERCEY)
Subject: RE*Know Him?
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:09:39 GMT

Blow me too!
From: sralsto@eis.calstate.edu (Scott)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Hmm..
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:03:53 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

did everyone else who's subscribed to Transworld Skateboarding get that
newsletter type flyer-thing from Tracker describing a huge sale and double
feature free skate video premiere (Debbie Does Blockhead and Disturbed)
along w/ live bands and free mini-ramp and street course skating?

:)  I'm there.  Perhaps I only received it because I live close (the event
is in Oceanside, CA)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: beyerc@carr111.alleg.edu (Chad Beyer)
Subject: WHEELS?
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:50:51 GMT

MY FRIEND JUSTIN WAS SUPPOSED TO GET ME WHEELS
BUT HE DIDN'T

DOES ANYONE WANT TO SELL ANY SKATEBOARD WHEELS?
43MM OR LESS WOULD BE NICE.

WRITE BACK
IF ANYONE 
HAS
ANYTHING

CHADWICK
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: trunz@inf.ethz.ch (Paul Martin Trunz)
Subject: Re: WHEELS?
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:33:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.155051.19644@pellns.alleg.edu> beyerc@carr111.alleg.edu (Chad Beyer) writes:
>DOES ANYONE WANT TO SELL ANY SKATEBOARD WHEELS?
>43MM OR LESS WOULD BE NICE.
>
Why does everybody want this small stuff ?
I recently bought a *set* of 63mm for nearly $10 (actually sFr 12.-)
where I usually pay more than that for a *single wheel*.

Guess I will buy another set, maybe in 2 years big wheels will be 
fashinable again.


-- 
creating a suitably witty signature
is left as a hexercise to the reader.

						Patru
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: death@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (MC68332 Amir Dabui  NUKEM)
Subject: Berlin Skaters
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:35:38 GMT

Hello !!!
I am a Berlin Skater. I want to change experience with other
skaters. Talking about the future of skating. Or you can mail
me your ps files of you. Specially skate photos of you.
And some lyrics about your photo, or write about contests in
USA and Europe etc. 
We can make our SKATE - MAGAZINE of us. With photos and text.
I mean we can build a Computer Skate Mag.
You have to download the mag.ps.z and uncompress it and to
print it out on your laser-printer. Is that an idea. Please write
your opinion about it.
The Mag have to call Ithernet Skate Magazine (ISM).
We need members !!!

Your Amir
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From: akhanna@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: you
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:03:23 GMT

I like you

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