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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:59:55 PDT
Reply-To:     Perikles Konstantinides <perkon%aludra.usc.edu@USC.EDU>
From:         Perikles Konstantinides <perkon%aludra.usc.edu@USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: UK: NIKH TWN CONSERVATIVES
Comments: To: ctsioras@ihlpn.att.com
Comments: cc: hellas@uga.cc.uga.edu
              Apr 10, 92 9:47 am

> > - Parolh thn ufesh, thn anergia, kai to klima avevaiothtas oi
> >   Brettanoi dwsan terma sto Ergatiko komma pou opws fainetai den
> >   apofeugei thn allagh hgesias -an oxi thn dialush.
>
> Edw kolaei auto pou legave oi NeoDnmokrates stnv Ellada gia tov Ellnviko
> lao otav meta apo oles tis malakies pou ekave to PASOK tnv prwtn 4etia
> tous ekselekse kai gia deutern 4etia. H' akoma mnpws ksexases ti legave
> pali oi NeoDnmokrates otav propersi to PASOK exase mev tis ekloges alla
> pnre upsnlo pososto.
> Av 0umasai, legave oti uparxouv polloi kafroi, pou dev katalabaivouv klp klp.

          Kwsta, sugkrineis edw tous Tories me to PASOK;;;;;;;;

> E, isws to idio va kolaei ki edw. 15 xrovia tous pndave tous Brettavous oi
> 0atserikoi, alla autoi tn briskouv.

         Epetrepse mou na diafwnhsw hxhra me thn parapanw diapistwsh.
    Sthn dekaetia tou '80 h Bretannia:

         1. Eixe ton 2o upshlwtero ruthmo auxhshs ths biomhxanikhs
          paragwgikothtas ston OOSA (prwth xwra htan oi HPA), MPROSTA
          apo thn Iapwnia.

         2. Eixe sxedon ka0e xrono PLEONASMATIKO proupologismo me
          apotelesma na arxisoun oi Tories na aposuroun to E0niko xreos
          ths xwras pou, epi Ergatikwn, eixe ftasei sto 110% epi tou AEP.

         3. H Bretannia proselkuse SXEDON TO 100% twn Iapwnikwn ependusewn
          sthn Eurwph (Nissan, Toyota, Hitachi klp) an kai DEN htan
          h xwra me ta xamhlwtera hmeromhs0ia...

         4. Idiwtikopoih0hkan epituxws terasties epixeirhseis kai h tash
          auth tha sunexistei

         5. Telos, h Bretannia monh htan h fwnh ths LOGIKHS kai ths
          SYNESHS sto 0ema ths Eurwpaikhs enopoihshs kai to ean eixe dikho
          'h oxi h Thatcher pou fwnaze to blepoume twra pou OLOI oi
          etairoi exoun kolwsei sto thema auto kai ean den uphrxe kai o
          Delors tha eixan metathesei thn enopoihsh stis kalendes....

> Oxi dnladn oti oi Ergatikoi 0a ekavav kai tipota, tetoioi kseverwtoi pou
> eivai...

               Den einai 0ema magkias: einai 0ema politikhs filosofias
        kai programmatos... GI' AYTO, o,ti kai na leei h antipoliteush kai
        sthn Ellada, oi idees tous, opoies kai ean einai autes, einai
        xrewkophmenes kai anefarmostes....

> > - An kai einai genikws apodekto oti h proeklogikh ekstrateia twn
> >   Ergatikwn eitan polu kala organwmenh, to teliko sumperasma einai
> >   oti to parel0on tou Ergatikou kommatos den exei svhsei apo tis mnhmes
> >   twn Brettanwn
>
> Gia parel0ov fusika evvoeis tote pou legave va kavouve "unilateral nuclear
> dissarmament" dnladn 0elave va katastrepsouve ola ta purnvika tns Brettavias
> xwris va perimevouv to idio apo tous tote Sobietikous. Autos ntave o logos
> pou xasave tis ekloges priv pevte xrovia (n 0atser tous eixe fobisei olous
> me tis kivduvologies tns).

             Pantou kai pantote oi laoi pshfizoun stis ekloges me bash
       thn ugeia ths tsephs tous kai oxi me bash thn exwterikh politikh.
       Prin apo 5 xronia h Bretannikh oikonomia htan h taxutera anaptusomenh
       se olh thn Eurwph....

> > - Ws kurio aitio ths httas twn Ergatikwn feretai h e3aggel0eisa au3hsh
> >   twn forwn se periptwsh nikhs tous. Malista se polles periptwseis
> >   auth h 0a eitan polu megalh, px au3hsh apo 40% se 59% gia twn foro
> >   eisodhmatos twn uyhlomis0wn, pou metafrazetai san katastrofh ka0e
> >   kinhtrou ergasias twn anwterwn stelexwn epixeirhsewn.
>
> Dnladn stnv Brettavia uparxouv 43% upsnlomis0oi, twv opoiwv ta sumferovta
> 0a 0igotave ??? Auto dev eivai ka0olou to kurio aitio. Diabase parakatw
> va deis pio eivai to kurio aitio.

           Pou kollaei auto;

> > - Me thn yhfo tous oi Brettanoi anedei3an oti h monh kuvernhsh pou
> >  pragmatika mporei na vgalei thn Brettania apo thn ufesh einai auth
> >  upo ton xarismatiko arxhgo John Major. Oi tritokosmikoi kai oi
> >  sosialistikoi peiramatismoi pou uposxontan oi Labour mallon 0a
> >  bu0izan thn xwra sto telma.
>
> Gia siga re Niko. H Suvtnrntikn kubervnsn dev odngnse tn xwra stnv ufesn ?
> 15 xrovia eivai stnv eksousia. Twra dnladn av tn bgalei apo tnv ufesn 0a
> 0ewreitai kai epituxia tns ?

               H oikonomikh episthmh meleta edw kai 30 xronia to thema
       "anaptuxh-ufesh" kai den exei apofan0ei akomh gia to poios "ftaiei",
       pou "ofeilontai" oi ufeseis klp klp. Yfeseis sumbainoun. Des thn
       Amerikh: POIOS eu0unetai sthn Amerikh gia thn ufesh pou molis
       teleiwse, otan KANEIS DEN EXEI AMESH POLITIKH EY0YNH GIA THN POLITIKH
       THS XWRAS; O Bush; Mpa; Afou to Kongkresso ftiaxnei to budget....
       Einai ligo perissotero periploka ta pragmata. Pantws psuxraimia:
       ufeseis panta sunebainan kai panta tha sumbainoun, den einai to telos
       tou kosmou opws ton xeroume.... :-)

> Dnladn prwta ta skatwvoume kai meta 0a 0ewroumaste kai swtnres av
> kseskatwsoume "our own mess" ? Periergn logikn.
>
> Oso gia to "xarismatikos" o Major, as gelasw. Pio baretos kai axrwmos
> politikos dev uparxei.

          Ki omws nikhse: fantasou ti eidan oi Aggloi pshfoforoi ston Kinnock

> Toulaxistov n Maggy ntave psuxopa0ns kai palabiara kai eixe evdiaferov to
> paixvidi.

          Akou na sou pw limokontore ths lobitouras: h Magku htan h pio
       sexouliara kai anwmalh gunaika pou perpathse ston planhth ta teleutaia
       15 xronia kai na prosexeis ta logia sou, entaxei;

> Aporw pavtws pws oi psnlomutes Suvtnrntikoi avex0nkav va balouv
> arxngo/prw0upourgo tous kapoiov pou exei movo apolutnrio gumvasiou
> (tov Major).

           Gia na leipoun ta stereotypes tou stul "pshlomutes Tories"....

> H 0atser oristika snmasiodotnse tnv poreia autns tns xwras s' autov tov
> plavntn. Tnv esteile mia kai kaln sto xrovovtoulapo tns istorias (sto opoio
> eixe arxisei va mpaivei meta to telos tou 2ou Pavgosmiou polemou). Dustuxws
> n katnfora dev faivetai va stamataei, kai etsi blepw tnv Bretavia sav
> mia tritokosmikn xwra gurw sto etos 2020.
> (wx, twra 0a mou tnv pesei o Periklns pou gurise kai fortsatos).

           Sou apanthsa parapanw gia ta peri "xronontoulapwn"... Makari kai
      h Ellada na eixe thn poreia pou eixe h Agglia epi Thatcher.

> A, kai twra to kurio aitio pou viknsave oi Kovserbes stis ekloges...
> Se telikn avalusn, oi malakoBrettavoi eivai aksioi tns tuxns tous.
> H dikn mou n eksngnsn eivai oti se tetoia gkavtemoxwra pou zouve, kai
> ka0ws blepouve tov nlio mia fora tov xrovo, n faia ousia stov evgefalo
> tous exei metabln0ei pleov se gravy (ap' auto pou bazouve sto Sunday roast
> beef). Tetoioi kwlomizeroi kai skatiarndes pou eivai (uparxouv kai
> eksaireseis (;-)), kala va pa0ouv.
> Oriste loipov mia avtikeimevikn avalusn gia ta apotelesmata twv Brettavikwv
> eklogwv (:-~rw3))

            Edw sumfwnoume..... :-)

> Gia va teleiwvoume, movo mia lusn uparxei gia tnv Brettavia:
> Na mazeftouv oles oi kales podosfairikes omades (dnladn n Arsenal) kai
> ta kala
> suvgrotnmata rock kai va moirastouv se alles xwres, va kavw ki egw evacuation
> tous filous/suvgeveis/gvwstous mou apo kei... kai epeita .. 5-6 atomikes
> bombes va bu0istei to vnsi va nsuxasoume... (:-)))

             Hip, hip, hooray!

> > Nikos Ksenios
> > Essex, England, UK
>
> jCostas

jPeriklhs
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