HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Subject: analysis of a skeptic
Reply-To: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:54:09 EST

For Glen Capuano;

                Without commenting on your birth chart in general, you
                are just starting an interesting 2 year period.

                Pluto is conjuncting (passing over) your Mercury.
                Your thoughts processes, normally rather intense and
                obssesive, are being intensified even more now. During
                this period you will re-examine your ways of thinking
                and let go of any old, worn-out attitudes. Very likely
                money issues will take up a lot of your attention.

                You may be strongly affected by brothers or sisters
                who are going through difficult times, or may experience
                difficulties in relating to them yourself. Power
                struggles with others is possible. You may also become
                very interested in "Mind Power" groups, hoping to access
                you own mental powers.

                I guess you'll be using this confernce to re-examine
                your mental attitudes and break up resistances to things
                you are obviously attracted to (astrology) .

                Ah, well, I guess we'll have to get use to you.  8^)
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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: sad@dasher.uucp (22430s-downie)
Subject: Re: NEED BIRTH DATA INFO  
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 14:18:36 GMT
Summary: Need Birth Data Information


Does anyone birth data information on Jason Winters, Dick Sutphen
and Bjorn Ortinhiem?

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Sharon Serene
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: astrolog 2.30 for PC is available
Date: 26 Sep 92 04:15:34 GMT
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <1992Sep25.145347.389@umr.edu> rsparrow@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Richard Sparrow) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.112056.9046@axion.bt.co.uk> agray@axion.bt.co.uk (Andy Gray) writes:
>>	Has anyone experienced problems with the transit listing? If I use
>>
>>		astrolog -T me 9 1992
>>
>>	it gives a listing as expected but starts to produce gibberish from
>>	around the 20th (ish) onwards. It is mainly in the date and time fields
>
>There is a persistent bug in Astrolog when one compiles using Turbo C.
>I have corrected it in each version. The solution is to change the type
>of 'time[]' in the 'printtransit' routine of 'options.c' from int to unsigned.
>The value of time[] exceeds 32767 for dates after about the 23rd.

I will change this source line, recompile, and send the new version to
hilbert.maths.utas.edu.au. Maybe, if it doesn't make a difference to
Unix, Walter can make this change to the original source code for
maximum portability.

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Subject: transits/ progressons
Reply-To: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 28 Sep 92 06:40:28 EST

RA>Could/Would someone explain the difference between a transit and
RA>a progression?

   Soytonly !     A transit is where a planet is *right now* in the sky
   (or for the time in question), which is then compared to your own
   chart. As the planet moves through the sky it changes it's angular
   relationship to the other planets in the sky, as well as planets in
   your own birthchart.

   A "progressed" chart is a more theoretical or symbolic measurement.
   There are various types of progressed charts. The most common one
   progresses each planet approximately 1 day for every year of life.
   If you are, for instance, 20 years old, you would look at planetary
   positions for 20 days after your birth (in an ephemeris).

   Transits affects are usually noticeable in terms of inner processes
   as well as outer (environmental) events or circumstances.
   Progressed planets are often experienced more internally and less
   obviously. It represents inner processes and stages.

   Hope this helps.
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From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: ASPECT INTERPRETATION AND INTERCEPTIONS
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:05:38 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <BvLnMn.13I@chinet.chi.il.us> tjc@chinet.chi.il.us ( Tom
Chapin ) writes: 

>In the US, it has been traditional to make the houses appear equal
>while letting the sign size float, but in Europe they tend to use
>a system which would appear more normal to you and me which keeps
>the signs stable and lets the house size float.  

I have seen this in western continental Europe (France, Germany) but
in the UK the most common chart form is as you describe the US style.
Also equal houses are popular in the UK so they *are* all the same
size.

>I suspect that deep
>within the mists of history, some astrology publisher sold chart
>forms of that shape, and astrologers all went along...

Yup, I would agree. Same with Placidus houses - the first table of
houses, for London and Liverpool, saved everyone doing arcane spherical
trig with log tables (never could get the hang of theose poles) so
Placidus became an instand 'industry standard'. Places inbetween were
interpolated or 'rounded to the nearest'. What they did for places
above Liverpool I shudder to imagine..

>With the advent of charts made by computer rather than by hand, the
>European form is likely to become more popular.

Yes you can see that happening. On the other hand, a strictly
geometric chart used to be popular when midpoints were drawn in by
hand, now with computers other forms of chart visualisation are
possible.

>Those who used the American chartforms saw the intercepted signs as
>taking up little space and so ascribed little power to such signs.
>Those using European forms see the house containing an intercepted
>sign as being huge, and so ascribe it more power.  Hmm...

Hmmm^2

The more you look, the more that phenomenon crops up. But things like
harmonic charts and astrocartography present new ways of seeing. Even
being familiar with two presentation methods is in itself a valuable
guard against the sorts of biases you describe.


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From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: MARS
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 5 Oct 1992 19:36:27 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx59.cis.brown.edu

In article <1992Oct5.145936.29292@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>,
stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin) wrote:
> 
> In article <BvLHup.30s@exnet.co.uk>, s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes: 
> > Well,not quite.
> > Mars is in cancer and thus in its fall.  This makes it weak and ineffectual.

> > 
> I would not consider Mars in Cancer to be weak and ineffectual. I would not consider
> any planet in its fall to be weak and ineffectual. The problem exists in attempting
> to live the energy of a planet and sign that are incompatible.
> 
> I have Mars in Cancer, and it IS a pain in the ass. The absolute, most important
> thing to learn about it is to let it be. Mars in Cancer can't make a move until
> it FEELS that it's OK to do so, which is totally antithetical to the nature of Mars.

 Well, the whole point of looking at a chart is to become conscious
> of yourself and your motives and how you act out the energy. When the energy
> is internalized, it may take longer to see, but it also has a much better chance of
> becoming integrated. And this lessens the need of the psyche to project it outwards.
> 
> As a final comment, would you REALLY tell a client that a planet they had was in its
> fall? How useless! Why not tell them instead the problems and benefits of a planet in
> a sign and to learn to love it, coz it's all they have. 
> 
> Actually, you couldn't pay me to have a Mars in Aries. :-)
> 
> Stacey

Stacey, lovely, just lovely.  Thanks so much for the post; it's reassuring
that some on this list get the point of good Astrology.  Your Mars must be
feeling good these days with the return.

As far as a Mars in Aries - mine is in Aqu. in the first house so it has
that Aries flavor to it - close to the ascendent.  Yes, that has been a
great learning experience for me as far as being pushy, agressive and fast,
very fast.  It is, however, great for getting the job done as my asc. is
Capricorn.

Regards, Carol
From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: newton & astrology
Date: 4 Oct 1992 16:45:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jane.griscti@canrem.com ("jane griscti") says:

>AR > In article <1992Sep18.144540.164574#dstos3.dsto.gov.au> mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au    
>       I've often read this quote myself and, as much as I'd like to
>       believe that Newton was "into" astrology the facts do not appear
>       to support that belief.
>

That's right; he never said that. And as soon as I figure how to
include a text file in a reply, (I am new in Freenet), I'll post
an article that I posted in COMPUSERVE's Astrology section (New
Age Forum; I hate the term NA too...) about his interest in ALCHEMY.
Now, if he was an alchemist of which there is NO doubt, how far is
that from astrology? Not too far if you study the Rosicrucian Tradition.

Tony Alicea

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: Zodiac Constellations
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 00:27:34 GMT

kappa@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Glenn Capuano) writes:

>	Actually for Taurus, Leo, and Scorpius, it takes only a small
>stretch of the imagination to see a bull, lion and scorpion in them. The
>others (such as Saggitarrius which looks like a teapot...Hmm, what's a
>teapotian characteristic?..:-) ) bear little or no resemblence to their
>mythological representations. However most non zodiac constellations also
>bear little or no resemblence to what they supposedly represent (Crux
>(post 1600 anyway) and Orion (and maybe Ursa Major, though I haven't seen
>it) being possible exceptions). So since these constellations have no

Actually, the term "Big Dipper" is far more accurate a discription.
As a boy scout, I was told an alledgedly Native American story about 
someone swinging the Bear around by the tail and hurrling him into the
sky, which was supposed to explain why the "Bear's" "tail" was so long.
One thing I never found out, though, was the Native Americans actually
did come up with the Ursa Major == Bear comparison independent of Europeans,
or if its all a lot of hogwash.

Just a cute story... The folk song "Follow the Drinking Gourd" is supposedly
a coded mnemonic telling escaped slaves how to find the way to the northern
U.S., travelling by night.  *This* is the sort of astrology I can get interested
in.
--
Paul Ciszek, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu | No nation was ever drunk when wine was
                                   | cheap.   -- Thomas Jefferson
From: kappa@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Glenn Capuano)
Subject: Re: Mr Cern
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:40:50 GMT

Xavier Gallagher (s0xjg@exnet.co.uk) wrote:
> I have been looking at his birthchart.  Assuming it is right and that
> I have some skill in this area and that astrology works I have come to
> some conclusions.  These are not psychological observations as pycho
> astrology cannot be proved right or wrong.  Hopefully these are testable.
> Actually I tell a lie, 1 psycho astrology observation sneaked in.
> 
> 1. His father is either physicaly injured (damaged) or in a bad material
>    situation. He returns often. 
> 
> 2. He (Dave) has no sense of restriction or responsibility.

> 3. Daves' Mother is/was held in high esteem,especialy by the native.  
>    However she is probably dead or seldom seen.

	Come on, these can't possibly be astrological predictions, they
are too specific, too easy to disprove...

Glenn Capuano
From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Full Moon
Date: 4 Oct 1992 15:57:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Sorry but I have to disagree. I've worked in hospitals for 10
years, have talked to police and fireman and others, to have reached
the conclusion that the full moon does exert a strange pull on
we mere mortals.

Take a ride around the city the night before and the night of a full
moon. You will see many more patrol cars and more than usual fire
engines and ambulances at work. And this is month after month.
Regular as clock work.

Linda
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: mrcarl@carson.u.washington.edu (Mark Carlson)
Subject: Re: 0Tau02? (Newbie question re:cusps and such)
Keywords: cusp astrolog local mean time
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:18:35 GMT

s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:

>In article <mrcarl.717806531@milton> mrcarl@milton.u.washington.edu (Mark Carlson) writes:
>>xkramer@dante.nmsu.edu (KRAMER) writes:
>>
>>
>>>Like most people who were on a day when the sun changes
>>>sign I've wondered for years whether I was really an Aries
>>>or a Taurus (or whatever). In my case, most people cite
>>>my stubbornness as evidence that I _must_ be a Taurus--
>>>but then there are the folks who think I'm so egocentric
>>>I have to be an Aries. :)

>>
>>As for your sun sign.  My belief and the belief of other astrologers is
>>that when your sun sign is toward the end of its sign and the beginning of
>>the next sign (i.e. in your case Aries and Taurus), your sun will take on
>>characteristics of both signs.  Think of the colors in the spectrum of
>>white light.  Red "blends" into orange which "blends" into yellow, etc.
>>So too with each astrological sign.  So you will exhibit qualities of both
>>aries and taurus, which seems to agree with the statement that you made
>>about yourself above.
>>
>>Mark
>>

>I have to disagree (well I would wouldn't I) That is a modern theory which
>seems to have come about through people confusing a conjunction between
>a planet and the cusp of a sign with  a planet and the cusp of a house.

>As we all know when a planet is within 5' of of the next house we treat
>it as being in that house.  This works fine in these circumstances.

>When dealing with the signs you are *either* one or the other, not both.
>The fact that the native might have certain attributes of the next sign
>could be a result of the position of Mercury and Venus, both of which
>stay close to the sun at all times.  Equally, it could be because all
>signs are present somewhere in the chart and so some people will pick up
>the egotism of the Aries while others might pick up more bullish attributes.

>Xavier Gallagher

My experience has been that a more accurate reading is achieved if you
take into account the interpretation both signs involved when a planet is
between 29 degrees of one sign and 0 degrees of the next.  It is
semantically true that if your sun is in 00 degrees Taurus 00 minutes,
then you are by definition a "Taurus".  My personal belief is, however,
that if you concentrate only of the qualities of Taurus (for whatever
planet one is talking about), you'll wind up with only half of an
interpretation.  This technique is also used when the exact birth time is
not known or is dubious and there is some dispute as to which sign a
planet falls into (faster moving planets of course).

Any other thoughts/comments/personal experience by other astrologers?

Mark

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Computer Astro Chart
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:48:04 GMT

loganathan_l@darwin.ntu.edu.au writes:
>Hi There
>
>I was wondering if anyone had a computer program that does your chart
>for you? If so, could I please have a copy?
>-- 
>Leon Loganathan
>Darwin
>Northern Territory
>Australia

Well; Graeme says hai, mate; and send it to rec.org.mensa, ye van
pick up the thread & I will do ye chart;
yea.

Meanwhaal, Dave Casper's chart's been read in rec.org.mensa fer all ye
what wants to see;

yea.
-ecsd
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE)
Subject: Full Moon
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:11:00 GMT

In article <Bv8qs9.IsI@ddsw1.mcs.com>, eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun) writes...

>What? have you not noticed the reaction of people on a full moon? Go to an
>emergency room of your local hospital and ask. You'll find a strange reaction
>on the human race during that time. A coincidence is once but not on a regular 
>basis. 

I don't want to join in the flamefest this paragraph was stuck inside of, but
I have seen several large research studies that show there are no significant
increases in violent crime or other strange behavior over the period of the
full moon.

Studies which average over too short a period of time can be thrown off by 
the higher incidence of violent crime on weekends if they are not careful.
I recall several apparently positive results can be easily explained by this
effect.

I think this is another example of the human tendency to find false
correlations: when a bad night happens during the full moon, it is the full
moon's fault, but when it happens during some other time, it is just a
bad night.


Dave

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring)
Subject: Re: Mr. CERN
Organization: FB Physik, Universitaet Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:17:52 GMT

In article <27SEP199215455875@vxcrna.cern.ch>, casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.115552.2391@tfs.com>, ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes...
>>[..]
>>Let's get on with the VERY SPECIFIC subject of the group; let Mr. CERN
>>go to alt.skeptic where he belongs, where he can get all the *hugs* he wants.

BTW, it's sci.skeptic.

>Gee, I can't remember the last time anyone here gave me a hug.  Actually, it
>sounds like you're the one looking for hugs...and anyone who refuses is to be
>flamed and then KILLed.
>[..]

OK, I'll hug you:
You are doing a fine job of fighting all those stuck-up-for-no-real-reason types
like "UN-SELF-AWARE PINHEADS" Dynamic and "very limited education" Malcolm.

(To avoid misunderstandings: these are quotes from the two)

Especially the posting above gave me some laughs.  You hit several nails on
their heads.

-- 

thomas kettenring, 2 dan, kaiserslautern, germany
Science is like democracy - it's not perfect, but it's the best thing available.
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: czychi@bernina.ethz.ch (Gary Czychi)
Subject: Re: 1992 QB1, Beyond Pluto
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:13:00 GMT

In article <BvCsDr.E47@csn.org> lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson) writes:
>crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>>The Object Beyond Pluto file just posted will be of interest to
>>astrologers...
>>Can someone convert
>>the location given into either Tropical or Sideral zodiacal location?

>the ecliptic. The position given in the posting was 0h 00.09 +0d 01'.7
>(2000.0). It appears that the first part (0h 00.09) is hours and minutes
>of right ascension, which would correspond to 0 degrees Aries in the
>tropical zodiac. If I'm correct, that's pretty wild -- it was discovered
>
>Maggie


That would be to good to be true, wouldn't it?



According to my conversions, the new body was exactly in *Taurus*:

at  0 Degree,  20 Minutes, 12.85 Seconds.
    =====================================

I converted it with a known formula which I double checked many times.

Given the RA and Dec coordinates:

     Aug. 30.45568    0 01 12.79   + 0 08 50.7

converted to:

 Time:  Aug. 30, 10h, 56m, 10.752 Sec
 RA:    0.303 291 667
 Dec:   0.147 416 667

converted from equatorial to ecliptical coordinates:

 Longitude:  0.336 904
 Latitude:   0.014 605

translated to:

 Longitude:  Taurus, 0 Deg, 20 Min., 12.85 Sec.
 Latitude:   52.578 Sec (the body was almost directly on the ecliptic at
             the given time)


I hope that clarifies a little bit and gives the first poster the answer to
his question:

 >but was hindred by a malfunctioning server. Can someone convert
 >the location given into either Tropical or Sideral zodiacal location?


  Gary

    Gary T. Czychi          University of St.Gallen

       czychi@alpha.unisg.ch (preferred host)
         czychi at csghsg52   (=bitnet)
           czychi@bernina.ethz.ch
             Switzerland
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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Chart styles, readings being held in rec.org.mensa, & Mr. Cern
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 06:14:11 GMT

tjc@chinet.chi.il.us ( Tom Chapin ) writes:
> about equal-size houses vs. signs

I use the equal-sized sign type chart. No information is lost, and a grand
trine e.g. is clearly an equilateral triangle, as it should be IMO for visual
ease.

If Dave Casper (Mr. Cern) is still lurking here, I just did his chart in
rec.org.mensa, close to 6906. I'll be doing chart readings there for a while,
to see if anyone gets their worldview turned upside-down. Dave's combativeness
is Jupiter in Aries, primarily - I forget what else, maybe Mars in 1st. Chart
thread starts at 6900 for consecutive articles. If someone catches me with my
pants down, let me know.

Thanks.
-ecsd

p.s. I will be mailing the HP-GL2 code to the requestor(s) when I exhume their
addresses from my spool files. I still haven't copied Watters for you yet,
Dave - I will. *sigh*
Date: Sunday, 27 Sep 1992 16:28:10 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Full Moon
 <Bv8qs9.IsI@ddsw1.mcs.com> <27SEP199218112277@vxcrna.cern.ch>



  "...a pair of admittedly skeptical scientists (rotton and kelly, 1985)
   did what they called a 'meta-analysis' of 37 studies of the moon's
   effect on things like psychiatric admissions, suicides, crime, etc.
   they found that the moon accounted for no more than 3/100 of 1 percent
   of the monthly variation."
                                        -cecil adams, _the straight dope_

but, of course, facts will convince no one.