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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: The Incidents Of Murder Began To Occur More Frequently, 'Gav*0.'
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:04:00 GMT



<22041522592975@WISCMACC.BitNet>
UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos)

>.... kind of like all the trash you've been sending from '87...
>figment of you sick and barbaric bloody imagination....
>ill-fated wishful thinking....
 
Wishful thinking is not - or should not be - all screaming and threats, 
'Gav*0.' Don't cancel your vacation.

Source: Doc. Dr. Azmi Suslu, "Russian View on the Atrocities Committed
        by the Armenians Against the Turks," Ankara Universitesi, Ankara,
        1987, pp. 45-53.

"One day, while passing through the streets on horseback, a group of
 soldiers including an Armenian soldier began to drag two old men of
 seventy years in a certain direction. The roads were covered with mud,
 and these people were dragging the two helpless Turks through the mud
 and dirt...

 It was understood later that all these were nothing but tricks and
 traps. The Turks who joined the gendarmarie soon changed their minds
 and withdrew. The reason was that most of the Turks who were on night
 patrol did not return, and no one knew what had happened to them. The 
 Turks who had been sent outside the city for labour began to disappear
 also. Finally, the Court Martial which had been established for the
 trials of murderers and plunderers, began to liquidate itself for
 fear that they themselves would be punished. The incidents of murder
 and rape, which had decreased, began to occur more frequently."

                  (to be continued...)

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:3160 soc.culture.europe:3856
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Fairness Dictates That You Are Wrong, 'Gav*0:' The Turkish Genocide.
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:04:00 GMT



<22041523105956@WISCMACC.BitNet>
UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos)

>Not only here, but all the time mutlu, from 87, and even beyond
>you have not descended, but dragged into mudd and spit and dirt!!!
 
Darn; 'Gav*0' machine is down again. Fairness dictates that you are
wrong. 

Source: Doc. Dr. Azmi Suslu, "Russian View on the Atrocities Committed
        by the Armenians Against the Turks," Ankara Universitesi, Ankara,
        1987, pp. 45-53.

"Sometime in January and February, a leading Turkish citizen Haci Bekir
 Efendi from Erzurum, was killed one night at his home. The Commander
 in Chief (Odiselidge) gave orders to find murderers within three days.
 The Commander in Chief has bitterly reminded the Armenian intellectuals
 that disobedience among the Armenian enlisted men had reached its
 highest point, that they had insulted and robbed the people and half
 of the Turks sent outside the city had not returned.

 ...We learnt the details this incident from the Commander-in-Chief,
 Odishelidge. They were as follows:

 The killings were organized by the doctors and the employers, and the
 act of killing was committed solely by the Armenian renegades...
 More than eight hundred unarmed and defenceless Turks have been
 killed in Erzincan. Large holes were dug and the defenceless 
 Turks were slaughtered like animals next to the holes. Later, the
 murdered Turks were thrown into the holes. The Armenian who stood 
 near the hole would say when the hole was filled with the corpses:
 'Seventy dead bodies, well, this hole can take ten more.' Thus ten
 more Turks would be cut into pieces, thrown into the hole, and when
 the hole was full it would be covered over with soil."

                  (to be continued...)

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: jcook@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jay Cook)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: international email penpals wanted
Keywords: penpal, USA, international, email, JR High students
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:57:33 GMT
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

I am an instructor in the College of Education at The University of Iowa in
Iowa City, IA  USA.   

We will be conducting a summer workshop for 30 students (ages 12-15) between
June 15, 1992 and August 2, 1992.  We would like these students to correspond
with other international students while they are in the workshop.  All these
students will be from the USA and all correspondance will be in English.

Please respond directly to me by email.  Thanks for your help!

Jay Cook
Program Analyst
N188 Lindquist Center
The University of Iowa
Iowa City, IA  52242  USA
email: Jay-Cook@uiowa.edu
phone: (319) 335-5624
From: GLL@fnal.fnal.gov (Gregory Landsberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Old Soviet kitsch -- on request
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:11:59 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Stony Broook
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Apr14.182621.55102@cs.cmu.edu> sergei+@cs.cmu.edu writes:

> Well, it seems that there is a cycle for everything. Seems to be around 30
> years long in this case. This song was very popular circa 1960, though it
> was never to my knowledge sung on the airwaves. I am sure, though, that it
> dates from earlier than 1960. It may be either really a folk song (you know,
> the urban folklore type) or a song by an emigrant (a la Petr Leshchenko or
> Oscar Strok or Boris Fomin) that was listened to "na kostyax" ("on the
> bones").
> 
> [a quick quiz for you guys --- do you still remember what this expression
> means?]

Sure, it is the name for the records  on X-ray photographs. Usually the big
ones were  used,  where several  bones  usually  appears. That  is why such
``disks'' were named ``na kostyah''.

As to the  posting  about Markin's  ``Trudnoe  detstvo'',  A.Markin is well
known  for his  reviving of  the old  songs  (like ``V  dome 8  na Tsvetnom
Boul'vare...'' etc.), usually, the  kitch songs. So these two facts are not
contradictory at all. But I never heard ``Sirenevij tuman'' from Markin.

Cheers,

Greg
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:3165 talk.politics.soviet:3486
Organization: Old Dominion University Computer Services
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 22:19:34 EDT
From: FARID <FHM100F@ODUVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: News from Azerbaijan-Turan News Agency in Baku

Decentralization is the name of the game! Why should the news from Azerbaijan
come from Moscow?! Russians have the Russia to worry about. Too bad the empire
has come apart!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
From: rbradbur@hardy.u.washington.edu (Robert Bradbury)
Subject: NEWS COURTESY AND NEWSGROUPS!
Summary: News posters need to examine the content their messages
Keywords: mutlu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:49:28 GMT

Having just been through some 300 articles looking for some information on
the status of soviet scientists and the soviet economy I would like to
say to the few people who seem to be consuming so much of the bandwidth
in the soviet newsgroups... STOP IT!  Most people when they read a soviet
news group have no interest in the economies or history of Greece or Turkey.
They might have an interest in the Kurdish situation but this should
probably be confined to mideast topics.  As for the Arm*/Azer* if there
are people strongly interested in that area, why not create a seperate
news group for it!

You do yourself a disservice by posting to 8 newsgroups and consuming endless
bandwidth as it will immediately bias people to assume you are some hot
headed fanatic who has a chip on their shoulder instead of someone trying
to make a reasoned point.

Recently one of the founders of Apple made the point that Usenet news is
becoming like TV and we should all strive mightily to avoid that.

Robert Bradbury
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Seliger lake
Date: 12 Apr 92 04:35:22 GMT

In article <9204111925.AA16432@june.cs.washington.edu>, misha@CS.WASHINGTON.EDU (Michael Rabinovich) writes:
> In article <9276B301A020905B@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU> Misha Rabinovich wrote:
>
>>S.V.:
>>   An organization in Russia wants to lease a piece of bank
>>of famous Seliger lake (not far from St.Peterburg) on the...
> 
> A few more details:
> Seliger lake is in Sredne-Russkaya Vosvyshennost'. I'd
> say it's at least 300 km south-east from St.Peterburg.
> This is indeed a famous lake. However, about 5 years ago,
> before I left xUSSR, I remember an animated discussion in newspapers
> that the lake is dying due to pollution and over-development.
> Over-devepoment was largely due to dachas and sanatoriums of
> preveleged "nomenclature" organizations.
> 
> I also wonder about legal aspect of the lease offer of such a large
> chunk of land in the environmentally sensitive area. Indeed, how the
> "organization" aquired ownership of such a large lot? I believe (and I might
> be wrong) that unfarmed land is still a government property in Russia.
> 
> Misha.

  This could grow up into an interesting topic for discussion.
Unfortunately I have no more info about this particular deal.
I was just asked to post that ad to some e-mail lists by
my friends working in that mysterious "organization".
I wonder myself what that "organization" (actually it's
called "SVET Corporation") has to do with Seliger lake.
Until recently they specialized in computers, communications,
etc. But having observed for some time the development of
private enterprises and privatization in Russia, I'm not
surpised to see such proposals. It's just the barbarian
form of privatization "a la Russe"...  Well, "officially"
the land is still a goverment property (?), though they used
to call it a "national property". But in fact the land is
owned by many different organizations, agencies, collective
farms, etc. Many of those organizations now either go
bankrupt, are sold out, or get "privatized". So the
SVET Corporation, I think, has either "inherited" the
Seliger lake area, or somehow asquired it (e.g. in auction).
S.V.
From: jillc@EAGLE.MIT.EDU (Jill Costello)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re:      Going to Russia
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:59:24 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

> I considering leaving in early June and returning late September this
> summer.  I have a number of questions
>
> 1. What's the cheapest/best way to get there?


Hello!

In response to your travel question, here's what I can tell you:

If you are a student and/or under 26 years old, the best airfares I have
found have been through Council Travel. This may sound like an
advertisement, but I assure you I have no connection to the company....
They buy up huge numbers of tickets for students (and faculty in some
instances), and other travel agents admit that they just can't compete
with Council's student fares. They offer very flexible tickets, with up
to a year to return (many other travel agents limit travel to 3 months),
and a minimal fee for changing your return date ($25). Fares vary
depending on the season, but for spring departure (until June 15) I was
recently quoted a Boston-Moscow round trip fare on British Airways (only
through Council Travel - British Airways cannot give me the same deal on
their own) for $689.

Good Luck!

Jill Costello
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:3163 soc.culture.europe:3859
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 22:51:32 EDT
From: Me!! <APL101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Anecdote

I am probably going to get flamed for this one, since I  am new
and don't know the ethics of this news group, but here goes:

Chuckcha poehal na soveschania deputatov v Moscvu.  Priezjaet
obratno; ego obstoopili druzhya, sprashivaut: noo, chto je ti
vidil?
Govorit im chuckcka:   Ja bill v Moskve, mnogoe uslishal!
Tam, govoriat, vseo dolzhno delatsia dlia cheloveka, za cheloveka,
ee v polzoo cheloveka.  Ee chuckcha veedel etogo cheloveka...

o--------------------------------------------Art-Leyzerovich--PSU-------o
|     So, what's your point?                                            |
*************************************************************************
From: gt4342d@prism.gatech.EDU (Sergey K. Asvadurov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Anecdote
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:19:25 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Anecdote:

Grusin sidit v stolovoj obshepita. (well, uzhe smeshno)
K nemu podhodit veteran vojny.
-Prostite, chto vy kushaete?
-(S akcentom) Sacivi.
-Prostite, a eto vkusno?
-Da, vkusno!
-Prostite, a skol'ko eto stoit?
-3.50
-Prostite..
-Slushaj, dorogoj, ty voeval?
-(S gordost'ju) Ja? Da, voeval!
-Ja tebe meshal?!
========================================
No responsibility for those, who will be insulted, please!

================================================================
Sergey K. Asvadurov
Internet: gt4342d@prism.gatech.edu
tel. (404) 676-1588
================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ernestk@wam.umd.edu (TERMINATOR III)
Subject: Re: Gorbachev
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:57:55 GMT

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT????????????????:

>Dear friends:
>
I am new to USENET and networking, and if it was not for my wife Raisa,
>
I would not be here. However, Raisa insists, and I can't refuse her,
>
that I go in business for myself. One of ideas that I have is to
>
become a moderator for this group - I see a lot of noise here and
>
ideas that I do not like. I assure you that I have over 50 years of
>
experience in filtering out those noises that are unwanted by general
>
public. The only question that remains to be sorted out is the method
>
of payment. It is not clear to me how I can collect fees from the subscribers.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Mikhail Gorbachev
Moscow, Russia 1/4/92
From: Marcus L. Endicott <mendicott@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:02 PDT
Subject: RUSSIA'S FIRST YOUTH HOSTEL!
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1474600029:000:1458
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!mendicott    Apr 10 18:02:00 1992


From: Marcus L. Endicott <mendicott>
Subject: RUSSIA'S FIRST YOUTH HOSTEL!

/* Written  1:22 am  Apr 10, 1992 by glas:ryhtcaron in cdp:reg.ussr */
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*****************************
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*****************************

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ST. PETERSBURG INEXPENSIVELY!

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FOR RESERVATIONS OR MORE INFORMATION, PLEASE
CALL OR SEND A STAMPED SELF-ADDRESSED ENVELOPE TO:

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ernestk@wam.umd.edu (TERMINATOR III)
Subject: Re: Babiy Yar (anekdot)
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:12:33 GMT


	Hey, Svetlana, what the hell are you doing in Vienna?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:3144 soc.culture.europe:3839
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Not A Chance, 'Starkey:' The Turkish Genocide.
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:51:00 GMT


<14673@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
rwstarke@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Ross W. Starkey)

>3. Anything by Hassan Mutlu (alt.garbage.trash.throw.out)

All in all you are just another brick in the wall, 'Starkey.' What
do you have to add?

Source: "A British Source (1916) on the Armenian Question," by Turkkaya
        Ataov, Ankara, 1985.

p. 14.

"Dixon-Johnson relates (p. 47) that bands of armed Armenian volunteers were
 already operating in the country as early as March 1915, and Lord Bryce as
 well as the 'Friends of Armenia' were appealing for funds to clothe and 
 equip them...Furthermore, Tsarist Russia was also arming the Armenians and
 assisting in fomenting rebellion. For instance, the Armenians of Van 
 believing, after the Turkish defeat at Sarikamis, that the complete victory
 of Russia was assured, thought that their opportunity had arrived. Urged by 
 the Russian agents and their own revolutionaries, they rose in revolt, and, 
 as a Times correspondent admits, in an unguarded moment, 'finally captured
 the town of Van and took bloody vengeance on their enemies'. In June the 
 Armenians betrayed the town of Van to the Russian troops. Dixon-Johnson admits
 that 'there were organized risings in other parts of Asia Minor also' 
 (p. 48)."

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Word of Mutlu
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:23:16 GMT
Reply-To: lincoln@iris.UUCP (Tom Lincoln)
Organization: The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, CA

I suspect that Mutlu doesn't ever read soc.culture.soviet, he just
cross posts there. If he does, there is nothing that one can say
to him that will get his attention.

Tom
From: alex@took.enet.dec.com ("A. Allister Shvartsman, EMF, LKG2-2/T2,
              226-5350 16-Apr-1992 2350")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Communist Nostalgia
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:54:19 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

Re: Philip Nikolayev at nikolay@husc.harvard.edu

>But could someone explain this? When I was in high school, (in Kishinev) there
>hung for a while among other slogans in the school's auditorium one that read:
>
>         Slava miru na zemle!
>         Slava khlebu na stole!
>                   L. I. Brezhnev

(-: Yes I can explain it. It can be paraphrased in the immortal words of
    Yuri(?) Andropov:

          Sovetskii Soyuz stoit za ravenstvo, bratstvo, izobilie,
          mir i gosbezopasnost' vo vsyom mire!

    Which, when translated into English, becomes almost harmless:

          Soviet Union stands for equality, brotherhood, abundance,
          peace and state security for the entire world!
;-)

Alex
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:3010 soc.culture.greek:3271
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 14:36:16 EDT
From: <PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Catholics-Orthodoxs:1-0 again

                       ***************************
                       *  This text was written  *
                       *  by Avdrovikos Romavos  *
                       ***************************

Here is what I found in the discussions about religions:.
1)  One more Orthodox Church may become Catholic this month.
2)  There is an Orthodox fellow looking for someone with similar spiri-
    tual interests.Is there anyone that would like to contact him?
3)  Here you can see a Catholic  (if I am not mistaken) approaching the
    Orthodox.

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From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Coptic Orthodox to become Coptic Catholic?
Date: 1 Apr 92 08:40:20 GMT
Organization: none

The Wanderer, a Catholic newspaper, just ran an interesting article on
the reunion of the Coptic Orthodox with Rome.  If I recall the details
in the article correctly, an agreement was reached last April that the
Christological dispute behind the schism was a misunderstanding.  I
believe that the head of the Coptic Orthodox has committed himself to
reunion with Rome.

I looked up a few details on the Copts.

The constant tradition of East and West is that the see of Alexandria
was founded by St. Mark.  Alexandria was the center of Catholic
intellectual life for a while in the early Church, and also witnessed
the first flowering of monastic communities in the Egyptian desert.
It was one of the most important of all the sees.  Up to the second
general council (381), Alexandria was second in rank only to Rome.

The Coptic Orthodox body was formed in 451, when the patriarch of
Alexandria, Dioscurus, successor of St. Cyril, adopted the Monophysite
heresy after the council of Chalcedon.  The Monophysite heresy was a
Christological error regarding the nature of Christ.

The head of the Coptic church has the title "pope".  This undoubtedly
comes from the early Church, when "pope" was not a title reserved to
the see of Rome.  The Copts have preserved the 7 sacraments, and this
undoubtedly helped efforts at a reunion quite a bit.

The Wanderer gave an address if you are interested in further
information:

        American Coptic Association
        Christians of Egypt
        P.O. Box 9119, G.L.S.
        Jersey City, NJ 07304

The Copts are currently undergoing some amount of persecution by the
Moslems in the area.  They have not been able to build any new
churches in decades, if I recall the article correctly.


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From: cookliwj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Looking for Orthodox
Date: 2 Apr 92 05:16:38 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Looking for Orthodox

I am looking for an
Orthodox Christian discussion group, could anyone please help ?


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zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!jvnc.net!rutgers!igo
 r.rutgers.ed
 u!dartagnan.rutgers.edu!christian
From: tlc20700@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas L. Carney)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Looking for Orthodox
Date: 3 Apr 92 07:37:24 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

cookliwj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:


>I am looking for an
>Orthodox Christian discussion group, could anyone please help ?

So am I.  BTW, Fr. John Michael Botean is working to set up a BBS for
Eastern Catholics (Byzantines, Maronites, Coptics, Malabars, Malankarese,
etc.,). If anybody's interested, email me so I cna get the reference list
together.

Everyone have a wonderful Pascha.

Tom

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From: G. Richter <grichter@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Date: 07 Apr 92 23:25 PDT
Subject: Re: PRAVDA
Nf-ID: #R:hydra.gatech.edu:53832:cdp:1474600027:000:315
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!grichter    Apr  7 23:25:00 1992


Re: Pravda -- just saw front page of new Pravda (Tues., April
7, 1992) and I see the medallions are back -- the "orders,"
that is ... Ilich and Josip Visarionich. Does this mean a
change of management/ownership? Or a change of heart? I saw
it, that is, on an AP LeafDesk photo terminal.
G. Richter
grichter@igc.org