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From: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Former Olympian Ron Daws dies at 55
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:49:56 GMT
Reply-To: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Research Center


RIP, Ron Daws

A lot of people are expressing shock and surprise at the death of Ron Daws.
One poster said "How can this happen?", another is upset because he thinks
Ron should have been like he is, "immune to heart problems". Yes, it is
upsetting to view reality isn't it?

I recall much shock and bewilderment after the initial reports of the death
of Jim Fixx, but upon closer inspection of his health history, we all said,
yes, he was foolish to keep pushing it when his doctor advised caution. And
so we all chaulked that one off to his own hyper-driven personality. Ah, but
that couldn't happen to us, the truely healthy ones, could it?

And then just a few weeks ago, a GE colleague dropped dead also from heart
failure in the Utica Boilermaker 15Km. He too had had warnings from his
doctor that his continuing the high intensity racing could be hazardous. He
ignored it and kept racing. His own fault was it? Maybe. But it sets him 
apart from us, the truely chosen ones, doesn't it?

Ron Daws was a surprise though. Nobody can recall his having a history of
heart disease or his doctors warning him that this running thing could kill
him. He was hit by a "silent" one, the kind of heart attack that gives no
warning, that has no chance of being diagnosed. It happens. Some heart
attacks can hit with the suddenness of a bolt of lightening. And they can 
hit anyone including the "healthy" and the "chosen". This is reality.

There is a mystique among athletes that exercise is the golden ticket, that
their persuit of fitness is also the persuit of immortality. No, none would
be so stupid as to actually say such a thing but it is a pervasive attitude,
an undercurrent of silent wishfull thinking. "I'm immune." From death? I
don't think so.

Well, I've been there. I've spent some time thinking about it which I doubt
very few runners ever have. I guess if I got to choose a way to go, I'd take
the Ron Daws path. Sudden, short, but active to the end. I had a year or so
of living dangerously close to heart failure. I had been a runner, an
athlete, for decades. I was one of the immortal ones. Healthier than thou.
But I had to face reality. The body comes with no warrantee certificate.
Fitness does not impart any special immunities.

A couple years back when my doctor told me to stop running I did. I waited
for another chance. I hoped, I dreamed. And when I got my problem valve
repaired and they said I could go again, I did. What joy! What freedom!
What pleasure to let the legs fly again! Jim Fix, Ron Thompson, Ron Daws,
and many others, they didn't get another chance. They didn't get it back,
but I did... just for now. THERE ARE NO GUARRANTEES!
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From: serrano@osage.csc.ti.com (Yonson Serrano)
Subject: About the FAQ
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:27:41 GMT


Hi,

On saturday (July 22, '92) a new and update FAQ will be posted.

After July I will be relocating to California. I will be unreachable
for approx. 3-4 weeks. During the interval you may send
mail/questions/info to another account: "yphotons@athena.mit.edu" I
will review your mail in mid August, when once again I will repost the
FAQ.  I will also start posting updated FAQ's every three weeks
instead of monthly.

Yonson
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: rrempel@fraser.sfu.ca (Rodney Dwight Rempel)
Subject: Ultramarathon on track
Summary: Looking for hints for track ultramarathon
Keywords: ultramarathon, track, running
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:32:28 GMT

In 6 weeks I will be running my first ultramarathon on a track
(12 hours). I have run a 50 miler on trails before, as well as
a few marathons, but have avoided tracks since highschool.
I'm looking for hints, do-s/don't do-s, and general impressions
on differences between plodding on a track and "normal" running.
Will they be reversing the direction every few hours, or should
I expect knee problems ???
"General help" request: ...
Thanks

Rod Rempel rrempel@sfu.ca
Department of Kinesiology, Simon Fraser University
... if two million people do a stupid thing it's still a stupid thing.
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: queasiness after running
From: mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu (Moo-Town Snacker)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:18:23 GMT
Reply-To: mc21@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Jul27.171543.22685@babbage.ece.uc.edu> kcd@flash.ece.uc.edu writes:
>The question: 	what can be done to avoid extreme queasiness after a long/hard
>		run?
 
From personal experience I have found that doing sit-ups or crunches 
regularly eliminates any stomach problems encountered during or after a run. 
I probably don't do as many variations as I should in my
abdominal strengthening program, but I put an end to the queasiness
through regular sit-ups on an incline board.





-- 
Martin Coleman (mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu)		           Bukkm Royale
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From: ron@sputnik.mit.edu (Ron Spangler)
Subject: Marine Corps Marathon
Reply-To: ron@sputnik.mit.edu (Ron Spangler)
Organization: M.I.T.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:00:58 GMT

I notice that a lot of folks are asking about various Marathons taking
place this Fall.  I'll add myself to that list and ask for any
information on the Marine Corps Marathon in DC on October 25th.  I have
the phone number for official entry and such, but I'd sure like to know
what the course is like, and such.

Thanks,
Ron Spangler
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: caedoc4@bnr.ca (Bruce Pelton)
Subject: Looking for 10K in New England next week
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:15:28 GMT

I would like to find a race (between 5 and 15K) that I can
enter while I am on holidays in New England next week.
The following list shows where I will be staying each night:

August 2  North Conway, New Hampshire
August 3  Boston
August 4  Boston
August 5  Oak Bluffs, Martha's Vineyard
August 6  Boston
August 7  Stowe, Vermont

If you know of any race that would fit with this schedule,
I would REALLY appreciate if you could reply with details.
You can e-mail me at nadeau@bnr.ca (the address in the header
doesn't work).

Thanks in advance,
Bruce Pelton
Ottawa, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: queasiness after running
From: kcd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Karen Davis)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:15:43 GMT
Reply-To: kcd@flash.ece.uc.edu
Organization: University of Cincinnati, ECE DEPT

I didn't see this in the FAQ, but apologies in advance if this has been
discussed to death already.

The question: 	what can be done to avoid extreme queasiness after a long/hard
		run?

I've been increasing mileage lately, and I ran a 13 miler last week with no
trouble.  I ran a 14 miler yesterday (it was extremely humid) and felt ok
during the run, but very queasy afterward.  I threw up my chicken noodle soup
(eaten about 45 minutes after the run), and felt great after that.  I was
miserable from the time I stopped running until I got sick.  I thought eating
might help (and it did, indirectly).

This has been a recurring problem for me when I run longer than 13 miles,
or when I run a 15K or half-marathon race.  Will it go away with more training?
Should I try eating something before I run? (I usually don't eat anything, but
I drink water beforehand.)  If so, what? how long before running?

I hope someone has conquered this.  I feel discouraged about being able to
do longer distances.  This problem has also ruined a fair number of post-race
parties for my husband!

karen.davis@uc.edu


Newsgroups: rec.running
From: mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu (Moo-Town Snacker)
Subject: Re: Olympic predictions
Reply-To: mc21@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:27:31 GMT


How about somebody really sticking their neck out on a limb and making
some predicitions about the men's marathon? How about a US gold? Maybe
Steve Spence will outlast everyone on this inhuman course.



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Martin Coleman (mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu)		           Bukkm Royale
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Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Long Distance on a Track
From: mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu (Moo-Town Snacker)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:32:50 GMT
Reply-To: mc21@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Keywords: ultramarathon, track, running

In article <1992Jul28.234150.19972@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> lari@robotics.berkeley.edu writes:
>I guess you should expect severe psychological problems. The problem with 
>doing more than a 5K on track is that it get dead boring.(yes, even the 10K 
>are more difficult on a track than on road, at ANY level). 
 
Just my opinion based on past experience: Personally I have run better on 10Ks 
on the track. I set my PR on the track; my best _race_ in terms of 
concentration, strategy, performance was on the track. Plus, a road or 
cross 10K can be just as dismal and boring as any track race if you 
are not running well.



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Martin Coleman (mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu)		           Bukkm Royale
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From: sb@mathcs.emory.edu (Steve Batterson)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Olympic Track and Field Predictions
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:47:12 GMT
Reply-To: sb@mathcs.emory.edu
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS

I am getting in my response just before the track begins.
 reider@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Marc Reider) makes his cogent picks:
> 100m :  Leroy Burrell, Frank Fredericks, Dennis Mitchell.  9.98
After missing on the top 3 at the US Trials I am unworthy to make a
pick here, but I believe a Nigerian will medal.

> 200m: Michael Johnson, Mike Marsh, Frank Fredericks   19.69
I agree completely.
> 400m: Quincy Watts, Danny Everett, Steve Lewis 43.70
I have seen some references to an Everett injury. I pick Lewis in 43.90.
> 800m: Johnny Gray, Jose Luiz Barbosa, Mark Everett  1:43.2
Sounds good to me, but I expect it to be a few tenths quicker. Tanui
should also be up there.

> 110H : Colin Jackson, Tony Dees, Tony Jarrett  13.06
I will go with Tony Dees, but I expect it to be a little slower.
> 
> 400H : Samuel Matete, Kevin Young, Kriss Akabusi  47.85
I gather Matete has had a tough year, but after his 47.10 in Zurich last
year he is my pick. 
> 4x100  US, Britain, Nigeria,France   37.60 
I don't know who wound up on the Nigerian team, but I expect them to beat Britain.
> 4x400  US, US B team, Britain   2:55.59
> Long Jump :  Lewis over Powell.
We may be the only people picking Carl, but it should be a fantastic competition.
 
>   Women's events :  Merlene Ottey and Gwen Torrence split the 100 and
> 200.  Jackie Joyner wins heptathlon, loses long jump to Dreschler.
> Patti Sue Plumer gets a medal, as does Lynn Jennings.  Neither Liz
> McColgan nor Elana Meyer wins the 10K - either Jennings, Kathrin Ulrich
> or Olga Bondarenko.  A CIS runner wins the marathon coming from behind.
> US wins the 4x100, loses the 4x400 despite a great leg from Gwen
> Torrence.  Fewer than 5 Olympic records will be broken by the women.

I have a bias since I have watched Gwen work out here in Atlanta for
the past 5 or 6 years. While the World Championships is the only place that
Gwen has beaten Ottey, she feels confident against Ottey in competitions with
many preliminary heats. So I pick Torrence in the 100 and 200. I hope they
let her run the 4x400 since she is the only American to run a sub 50 this
year. I agree that Jackie will win the heptathalon and Dreschler the long
jump. I like Melinte in the 1500, Quirot in the 800, and Perec in the 400.
I hope you are right about Plumer and Jennings. If PattiSue does it, it
will be in the 3000. I will go with Devers and SFP in the hurdles. I see
Francie Larrieu Smith getting a bronze in the marathon (she looked extremely
good under comparable 10K conditions at Peachtree) with Ondieki getting the
gold. Henkel should take the HJ.


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From: brady@buphyk.bu.edu (Michael Brady)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: To wear a shirt or not?
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:34:25 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Jul28.233020.19500@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, lari@khayam.berkeley.edu (Francesco Lari) writes:
|> 
|> I think that a shirt, expecially a white one, is very useful if it's sunny, 
|> because it reflects the sun's rays. 
|> Direct irradiation from the sun is a big factor in body overheating, as you 
|> can figure well when you get into the shadow. 
|> 
|> 		     FRANCESCO 

Finally, someone brings up this point. However, there is a trade-off here,
being that the gain in reflecting away the sun's rays is offset by the 
reduction in the evaporation rate, particularly when the humidity is 
relatively high. If the conditions are dry, there is probably some benefit
to wearing a shirt, if it is quite light, and preferably quick drying...

Noticed in another post a question about top runners, and others wearing 
singlets in races...most track meets run by any of the major governing
bodies have uniform requirements (not going to argue the logic of these
rules), so the athletes are probably just sticking to habit in road races.
Sponsorship is of course a major factor, as is fashion. Some of us may be
trying to hide the skeletal physique we have worked so hard to attain :-)


Michael Brady ------------------------------------------  __o
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: kds@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Skowran kieth d. 301-596-7410)
Subject: Raleigh NC Road Runners Club
Summary: Need address of Raleigh RRC
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 04:17:41 GMT


As a newcomer to the Raleigh area, I am seeking out the Raleigh Road
Runner's Club.  If you are a member, please send call me with the
address and upcoming races if you could.

Kieth Skowran
919-469-5858 work

or you could send me info at
5804 Old Forge Circle
Raleigh NC 27609

Please don't email me or post a message.  This is the last date I have
access to this system and I don't know when I will be able to get back
on.  Thanks!
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: bleitch@bcarh407.bnr.ca (Brendan Leitch)
Subject: Re:    Fluid replacement methods
Reply-To: bleitch@bcarh407.bnr.ca (Brendan Leitch)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:16:45 GMT

July edition of Runner's World has a good article on the subject.  
It made a cynic like myself start thinking about alternatives to
water

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From: gamiddle@math.waterloo.edu (Guy Middleton)
Subject: Re: How fast is fast?
Keywords: 8k
Organization: MFCF
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.165426.16655@eye.com> paul@eye.com (Paul B. Booth) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.212518.6120@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> raymond@harp.ecn.purdue.edu (Ray Kamin) writes:
> VERY roughly (and assuming that the Purdue track team isn't entered :-)), I'd
> say that for the guys:
> 	 
> 	-5:30/mi pace (~27:00) needed to win
> 	 6:00/mi pace (~30:00) top 10%
> 	 7:00/mi pace (~35:00) top 50%
> 	 8:30/mi pace (~42:00) won't be in last place

I can confirm this:  I ran my first race two weeks ago (an 8K) after starting
running in April.  I finished in 42:50, and wasn't last in my age group.  And
it was fun, too.

 -Guy Middleton, University of Waterloo		gamiddleton@math.waterloo.edu
		(+1 519 885 1211 x3472)		gamiddleton@math.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: rec.running,sci.med
From: dhinds@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Hinds)
Subject: Re: Di-Methyl Glycine ?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 23:59:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.174423.1288@igor.tamri.com> margaret@igor.tamri.com (Margaret Kritzer) writes:
>Yesterday I went to a fairly well-stocked vitamin counter,
>wanting advice about supplements for my running program,
>as well as my life in general!  I got a pretty comprehensive
>package of vitamins, minerals, amino acids and anti-oxidants.
>Then the vitamin guru recommended doing some DMG, sublingually,
>10 minutes before a hard run.  He claimed it converts lactic
>acid into oxygen.  Sort of like recycling.  Is this true?  Sounds
>too good to be true, to me.

Sounds bogus to me.  Dimethyl glycine is not a natural metabolite in
the human body, as far as I know.  It is certainly not part of the
lactic acid cycle.  Normally, lactic acid is cleared from the blood
by the liver and gets oxidized to pyruvate, which can be used to make
glucose.  My Merck Index lists no known therapeutic uses for DMG.
However, it does mention that it is sometimes a component of "pangamic
acid", which it describes as a "controversial mixture of compounds
erroneously labeled as vitamin B15.  Allegedly isolated from apricot
kernel... There is no clear chemical identity for pangamic acid."
There is also a reference to an FDA drug bulletin, if you're interested.

If I were you, I wouldn't waste your money on amino acid supplements.
A normal diet (esp. any normal American diet) will already more than
satisfy your amino acid needs.  If you think you need more, drink a
glass of milk -- it'll be a lot cheaper than purified amino acids, and
some of them are made from hydrolyzed milk protein anyway.  Any excess
will end up being broken down into urea and used for synthesizing
glucose and/or fat.

        - David Hinds
          dhinds@cb-iris.stanford.edu
From: hillyer@rrc.chevron.com (Martin J. Hillyer,50-1267,(510)242-3123)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Di-Methyl Glycine ?
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:24:29 GMT
Reply-To: hillyer@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

In article 15863@pitt.UUCP, geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.174423.1288@igor.tamri.com> margaret@igor.tamri.com (Margaret Kritzer) writes:
>>Yesterday I went to a fairly well-stocked vitamin counter,
>>wanting advice about supplements for my running program,
>>as well as my life in general!  I got a pretty comprehensive
>>package of vitamins, minerals, amino acids and anti-oxidants.
>>Then the vitamin guru recommended doing some DMG, sublingually,
>>10 minutes before a hard run.  He claimed it converts lactic
>>acid into oxygen.  Sort of like recycling.  Is this true?  Sounds
>>too good to be true, to me.
>
>Bogus.  All of these supplements for runners or bodybuilders
>or whatever are bogus.  They are just a way to get you to waste
>your money.  Any effect on performance is placebo.  Recent studies
>on athletes taking supplement show that they all come out in the
>urine shortly after they are consumed.  If you want
>to supplement your diet (which should be a healthy one anyhow)
>stick to a simple, cheap, generic multivitamin.  Get it at a
>discount drugstore rather than a "nutrition" store.  Some people think
>additional vit C, E, and beta carotene may help ameliorate certain
>changes that occur with aging, but they wouldn't likely affect
>your running.  The last person you want to listen to for advice
>is the salesman who's peddling this stuff.
>-- 
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>geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon." 
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I heard about this stuff about 15 years ago, in the early days of the running boom, along with other magic elixirs, such as bee pollen.  I tried DMG and didn't notice any effect one way or the other.  Bee pollen wasn't any good either...

Too bad, but it seems that the best way to improve is to train hard and specifically for the event you're interested in. 

Martin
From: jayers@hamline.edu (Judi Ayers)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: TV sched for women's Oly marathon?
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:48:30 GMT
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, MN.

In article <45841@shamash.cdc.com> gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367) writes:
>Does anybody know the broadcast schedule for the women's Olympic marathon?
>And will it be shown contiguously, or broken up and spread around with
>fragments of other events?
>
>I know the date is Saturday August 1, but not the time of broadcast.
>
>I'm in the US Central timezone, and get "regular" NBC but *not* the
>triple-channel cable stuff.
>
>-- 
>Gordon K. Chace
>Control Data Systems, Inc.   phone (612) 482-6524   fax 482-2791
>email gkc@udev.cdc.com
>RISC: Really Invented on the Sixty-six-hundred by CDC


I believe NBC will show *parts* of the marathon starting at 11:00 central
time on Saturday, Aug 1.  No doubt it will be broken up.  I can't imagine
they would *even* think about covering more than 70 minutes of the race.
Actually I was surprised there was going to be that much coverage.  I'm
also amazed that they are showing 2:30 of the men's marathon.  The
women's marathon won't be on the triple cast, so its just as well you
didn't waste your money.
From: sas@TIS.COM ("Steven A. Sturges")
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re:  NY Marathon alternative?
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:31:48 GMT
Reply-To: sas@TIS.COM
Organization: Trusted Information Systems


jjames@leven.appcomp.utas.edu.au writes:
>Help!  Our plans to run in the New York Marathon have been dashed!

>All the Australian places have been filled and our entry fees returned
>(doesn't America need foreign tourist dollars?).

>If anyone knows of a marathon on the same weekend as New York (1st
>of November) on the US East Coast, please(!) forward the relevant
>information.

>Thanks very much.

Try the US Marie Corps Marathon in Washing DC.  It is the same weekend
as NY, and attracts around 7 to 10,000 runners.  I'm not sure who you
should contact, but check in a Runner's World marathon edition, if you
can get a copy down under.


-steve