From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 01:42:55 GMT

In article <42859@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
writes:
>[stuff about my not mentioning vices in Japanese-cu culture
> but my mentioning of the same vices in Chinese-cu culture]

I don't see why I am obligated to mention both.

>... certain stereotypical ideas because I'm white on the outside? These
>people have never come into contact with Chinese culture, but they
>have this view that ge=cu that you hate so much. I agree with you
>that equating people's blood with a certain culture is silly, but my
>point is IT'S NOT ONLY THE CHINESE WHO DO THIS. 

I agree.  Chinese-cu people aren't the only ones.

I have said numerous times that rednecks, Nazis, and Klansmen think
in the same way.

>I repeat:
>>>	All cultures have their good points and their failings.
>>>Let's try to have a bit of an open mind, shall we? If not, you are
>>>merely repeating the sins of the "Chinese" people you hate so much.
>He said: 
>>I do not hate Chinese-ge people.
>Ooops. I meant to say "Chinese cultured people". You obviously DO
>hate them, and it is THOSE people whom I was defending.

No, I don't.  Many foreign students say that they hate American-cu, but
I don't translate that to mean that they hate American-cu people.

Also, if some one who calls himself Chinese-cu and if the
only Chinese-cu thing that he does is eat Chinese-cu food, I couldn't
possibly hate him.  What's wrong with eating Chinese-cu food?

However, if someone calls himself Chinese-cu and if he endorses
infanticide (as do many Chinese-cu in rural China), I feel that I
am justified in thinking that he is a jerk.  Isn't there something gravely
wrong with infanticide?

>Ethnocentrism is every bit as bad as racism!! You keep saying that
>you hate the Chinese cultured people for thinking their culture is

No, I don't hate them.  Actually, I might pity them for being such
jerks.

>superior, etc, but you are doing the SAME thing when you are just as
>uniquely biased AGAINST that same culture.

This assumes that all cultures have equal worth.  I don't believe so, and
neither does a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

I do not believe that the Nazi culture is comparable in worth to, say,
Canadian culture.

Some cultures are better than others, if you agree on a system of ideals.
For example, if you consider infanticide to be wrong, then clearly modern
Western-cu culture is superior to Viking culture.  If you believe that racism
is bad, then clearly 1992-Western-cu culture is superior to 1922-Western-cu
culture.  To say that "all cultures have equal worth" and hence that "no
culture is superior" suggests that cultures cannot be improved.  This 
is a ludicrous proposition.

Note that the culture which I condemn is 1992-Chinese-cu culture but note
that 1992-Chinese-cu culture is superior to X-Chinese-cu culture where X
< 1992.

>He says: 
>>By the way, I am very much conerned about the welfare of all children
>>--that includes Chinese-ge children.  I see them as the future of humanity.
>>Chinese-cu see otherwise.  Jerks.
>
>Exactly how are the Chinese cultured people demonstrating that they
>don't think that children are the future of humanity??? Please
>elaborate. *I* think that children deserve to be brought up by a

Infanticide in rural China is a good example.

>family that loves them, regardless of whether that family is Chinese
>cultured or not. 
>>Mai-chan, undies o kite iru toki kawaii n desu ka.
>I don't recall giving you permission to use my nickname... *if* you

I've noticed that many Japanese don't seem to use the same formalities on
USENET that they would use in real life.  Why should I deviate from this
trend?

>have been to Japan you should know this assumption is offensive..

Yes, of course, I know.  But since I don't discuss my personal life in public,
I won't confirm or deny whether I've been to Japan.

>As for me in undies... well, I'm just a bunch of letters on a
>computer screen, so I don't think you're going to find out anytime
>soon.
>	Maiko (rather peeved)

Anshin shiro.

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