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From: anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)
Subject: Re: What do the "Lapps" call themselves?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:11:22 GMT

Original Sender: anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)

While we are on the subject of Saamis .... it never ceases to amaze me who
incredibly diverse the readership of this conference is.... I joined as a
California-born person seeking her heritage from the far north of Montana,
ND, & Canada .... while still being actively interested in Indigenous "regalia"
of other countries as well ... in particular the Balkans, Israel, and for
the last 15 years, the Saamis.  It started out as intrigue, because to me
"they" look like blond Navajos ... 'scuse me, blond Dine'.  The colors in the
clothing however, bring me right back to the Chippewas where it all began
for me, including making wool felt to survive the bitter cold.  All of a
sudden, following simple questions about the term "Sami" ... here is this
wealth of information about these amazing people.

Now, for totally non-linguistics, and non-genetic reasons, I'm going to toss
out a selfish request, since I'm more than willing to share anything I know
in my field with almost anyone as long as it doesn't benefit Feds, the BIA,
etc.  Do any of you have specific cultural information (including pictures,
patterns, or whatever) about Saami material culture?  ... I'm especially
interested in the Clothing (including folklore, taboos, or whatever), but
not exclusively.  Their baskets are gorgeous; "traditional" moccasins
looked wonderful (from a distance), as did a cradleboard I have a postcard
of.  This one, single, large postcard I bought in Oslo is actually the only
decent picture I have ever been able to find.

Any suggestions, assistance, etc. any of you can give will be much appreciated.
(but of course, I'm always looking for more/new stuff for the work I'm
planning to do on my son's Chippewa regalia).

thanks to all of you for spirit of giving most of you possess ..

lyn

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Newsgroups: alt.native
From: Peshewegunzh <mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>
Subject: Re: I don't know
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:54:47 GMT

Original Sender: Peshewegunzh <mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>

>
> Original Sender: tonya@csa2.lbl.gov (TONYA PUONCEY)
> Mailing List:    NATCHAT (nn.chat@gnosys.svle.ma.us)
>
> I really am anti-government in that the pompous assholes that run the show
> do so for the sake of their own careers and what ever coke money they can
> skim.  Of that I am convinced.
> ...my lifestyle, which is really pro-family, pro-work, etc. is not bad but
> the government 'above' and the  bums 'below' want to take it away from me!!!
>         So I feel like or envision the police, etc. as an 'invading force' in
> my life, although without them the laws they have enforced on me have
> suppressed me enough so that in anarchy my house would be gutted, girlfriend
> ..  well you get the picture!

America has abdicated morally - that is, the majority of people
who inhabit this land have, and it's reflected above, below, and in
between. The leaders accomplish nothing except to become celebrities
and be seen, and, indeed, enrich themselves and their cronies without
a thought of what is right and what is wrong, and thus largely do what is
wrong. There are still fine words used, but mostly in the service of
a hidden agenda of personal power and selfishness in order to justify
and hide the latter. This is not just confined to the "leaders."

You can certainly expect more of the same, only more so. However, if one
knows what is right, one is obligated by the surety of that knowledge
to act upon it. Frederick Douglass, the great fighter
against slavery, pointed out that "the person who is right is a majority."
There is great power there.

In a strange way, what is to be struggled against and overcome for each
of us as individuals, is a modern slavery which has taken form within and
without ourselves. It takes a great deal of character not to simply be carried
along with the flow, in essence, "assimilated."

Often great and surprising events occur from the fulcrum of seemingly
inconsequential acts of kindness and courage. Your individuality is an
important and sacred thing so exercised upon history.

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Newsgroups: alt.native,news.groups,soc.culture.misc
From: idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mike Wilson)
Subject: Re: Comments on the 2nd RFD: soc.culture.native
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:03:56 GMT

speights@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Arlen Speights) writes:

>>What I object to even more in this addition, however, is the 
>>statement that Indian Nations form a part or are "under" a 
>>State structure.  With that little phrase, you have effectively
>>undermined the sovereign status of Indian Nations in America.

>I agree.  The last phrase is definitely extreme, paternalistic as
>I believe the original article called it.

>>Why not leave it sort of vague as it was before?  It seems to
>>me that it left open the possibility of discussion among all
>>KINDS of native people, urban and reservation, dislocated and
>>intact.

>The main reason I suggested the changes is because the idea of
>"first to inhabit a region" seems to raise questions of when first
>was and academic situations like that.  But if the charter is viable
>as it was, then I have no problem with it; I certainly don't want
>to delay the RFD or CFV processes.  After all, it's just a charter :-)

>Arlen


You are of course exactly right, Arlen.  Re-reading my last post,
I noticed that I was less casual than I normally try to be 
regarding "common oppression" and tribal sovereignty.  I suppose
that even in a charter I would not like to see a total acceptance
of the idea of oppression, because if you look out in the world
and see only oppression, then in my view you are truly oppressed.

At any rate, here is the lastest edition of the charter.  I have
talked with Jan Isley and he would like to start the vote on a nice
round date, March the 1st.  Look for the CFV then, with whatever 
changes we decide to make along the way.
 

Status: UNMODERATED

CHARTER: Soc.culture.native is for the discussion  
of issues relating to native populations throughout 
the world.  For the purposes of defining this newsgroup, 
"native" is considered roughly synonymous with "aboriginal"  
or "indigenous" -- all terms which a populations's having
been the first to inhabit a particular region. This 
newsgroup is intended to be inclusive, not exclusive,  
offering  an important vehicle for exchange among native 
peoples and between native and non-native peoples. Besides 
providing a forum for the discussion of such issues  
as sovereignty, religion, education and philosophy, 
this newsgroup will also carry news stories and bulletins 
which pertain to current events relating to indigenous 
peoples, and which alert readers to urgent situations 
which require immediate responses, such as human rights  
cases and imminent encroachment upon native populations.
  
We recognize that a number of Usenet newsgroups do exist 
for the purpose of exchanging information and ideas about  
various peoples and places, and about issues (e.g., environment) 
which are relevant to the concerns of the members of indigenous  
societies. Soc.culture.native welcomes articles whose content 
pertains to topics important to indigenous peoples which are
cross-posted to other newsgroups.

------------------------

Cheers, 

Mike

idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu
From: unponl@antenna.nl
Newsgroups: alt.native
Date: 21 Jan 93 00:40 PST
Subject: Re: Press Release 12-Jan-1993
Nf-ID: #N:8TePXB3w165w@antenna.nl:-2086748994:000:2393
Nf-From: antenna.nl!unponl    Jan 21 00:40:00 1993


Subject: Re: Press Release 12-Jan-1993
From: unponl@antenna.nl (Michael v.Walt v.Praag)

Subject: Press Release 12-Jan-1993
From: unponl@antenna.nl (Michael v.Walt v.Praag)
Newsgroups: unpo.news
Comments: UNPO Secretariate
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 00:01:26 GMT
Organization: Antenna Host in the Netherlands

     Press Release 
     12 / 1 / 1993  
 
    UNPO Assembly Opens with Strong International Interest
 
Over sixty delegations are attending the Unrepresented Nations
and Peoples Organization's  (UNPO) 3rd General Assembly -
almost twice last year's number. Increased interest has also
come from national governments, international organisations
and NGOs, all represented by a growing body of observers.  
 
During the five day Assembly current members vote on the
admission of new members, hear reports of members' problems
and pass resolutions on future UNPO actions. 
 
Leading figures from indigenous and unrepresented peoples from
around the world will attend. Some of the expected leaders are
President Dudaev of Chechen, President Ibrahim Rugova of
Kosova, Dr Costa of East Timor and Mr R Mariqueo representing
the Mapuche from Argentina. 
 
This year's Assembly also includes a special, two day session
on the right to self determination in relation to human rights
and environmental protection. A number of guest speakers,
including H.S.H Prince Hans-Adam II of Liechtenstein, Mr D
Omar, ANC executive committee member and Mrs M Maguire chair-
person of "The Peace People" from Belfast will speak. 
 
The UNPO was founded in February 1991 and has become know as
the "alternative U.N.". Today its members represent over 100
million people. UNPO acts as a forum for nations and peoples
that are inadequately represented in international organizations 
such as the United Nations. The UNPO supports its members
in their struggle for cultural autonomy, self determination or
independence - depending on their specific aims. 
 
Opening ceremony begins at 9.30am on Tuesday, January 19 at
the Provinciehuis, Koninginnekade 1, The Hague, The Netherlands. 
 
For more information please contact Saskia Kunst, Pauline
Overeem or Richard Boele in the Netherlands:
 
                UNPO International Secretariat 
                   Phone : (31) 70 - 360 3318
                   Fax   : (31) 70 - 360 3346 
                   E-mail: unponl@antenna.nl

Newsgroups: alt.native
From: leylandr@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Pine Ridge, SD :Donations Needed !!!
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:43:43 GMT


Organization: University of Lowell

January 21, 1993

Dear Friends,

	Once again, the Native American Outreach Organization (NAOO) at
the University of Massachusetts, Lowell is asking for your help.

	As you may know, for the past several years we have provided
assistance to the Wounded Knee community on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation
in South Dakota by collecting and shipping donated clothing and food.  To keep
shipping costs affordable, we rely on finding alternatives to standard freight
transport - our Christmas 1991 donations went to Wounded Knee in an old school
bus driven to Lowell, MA from South Dakota by members of the Wounded Knee
community, with NAOO providing funds for the trip.

	Unfortunately, we were unable to arrange "alternative" shipping for
our Christmas 1992 donations in time for the holidays.  Instead, we sent our
"transportation funds" to the community to purchase food for their Christmas
dinner, AND ARE NOW LEFT WITH 3 TONS OF DONATED GOODS WAITING TO BE SHIPPED.

	We have found an opportunity for shipping the goods to Wounded Knee,
and for a flat fee of $1650 all of the donated clothes and food will be sent
to the community via an empty tractor trailer returning to South Dakota.  All
goods will be distributed by Circle of Children, a local organization that
promotes individual sponsorship of the children of the Pine Ridge Reservation,
to Wounded Knee and other Lakota communities where children are sponsored.

	The communities need the food and clothing NOW! The truck is scheduled
to leave WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 27th.
         =======================

	How can you help?

	We need donations of cash (to cover shipment), food, winter clothing
and blankets (in that order of priority.)  Please limit food donations to 
healthy, high-protein foods - no starches.  Dried beans, peas and fruit are
ideal.

	Donations of food and clothing are being accepted through TUESDAY,
JANUARY 26th at the University of Mass., Lowell's Coburn Hall (on SOUTH
Campus) Room 107.  

	Cash donations to help cover the cost of shipping will be accepted 
through mid-February.

	For further information, please contact Dr. George Luter and the
Native American Outreach Organization at:  (508)934-4276

	Donations can be sent to:  Native American Outreach Organization
                                   U. Mass, Lowell
		                   One University Ave.
				   Lowell, Massachusetts  01854


	Thank you so much for your generosity!

        Members of the N.A.O.O.

                                   
Newsgroups: alt.native
From: MAINE.maine.edu!IO20905  (Karen E. Colburn)
Subject: Re: Native Culture Loss?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:02:10 GMT

Original Sender: MAINE.maine.edu!IO20905  (Karen E. Colburn)

Michael Adams raises some interesting questions about assimilation, when
he decribes his view of the natives in Nome.  What does it mean to
"become white, dress white, look white"?  What is fashion, in clothing,
especially when it becomes chic to dress after Raggae types, or the
earlier Nehru jackets?  Is it "fashionable," to be "white"?

What about language?  How can people live in an area, and not
speak the vernacular?  If we travel, no, if we LIVE in an area where
people speak French, for instance, how can we survive without learning
and living and speaking in French?

Drugs?  A lot of alcohol might be distinctly American, but wine
is as old as the hills, at least in "the cradle of Western Civilization"
and in the east and far east, if we consider the words of the Torah, and
the existence of retsina in Greece and sake in Japan.  And coke and
marijuana are as old, and were consumed in those areas where they grow,
well before international trade.

Hmm.  Kids with whites.  Women who bear children.  Native women
who bear children to white men.  What's the ratio of men to women?  Do
native men never date or marry white women?  Why is that?  Why is it
more okay for women to "date white" than men?

I agree when Michael says young people need to learn to value
their lives and their culture, instead of ignoring and discrediting
their past...

I prefer to answer the larger question.  What does it mean to be
human, and how can we all, distinct as we are as individuals, learn to
live together peacefully?

Michael, what do you mean about "subsistence value"  and
"membership in local native corps"?

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Newsgroups: alt.native
From: Peshewegunzh <mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>
Subject: Re: Question of Nativity
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 07:42:04 GMT

Original Sender: Peshewegunzh <mthvax.cs.miami.edu!mamia!peshe>

A comment about a notion threaded through some postings...

> ...you have made errors in your judgments, Nobody of Importance.  Carlos
> does _not_ sound like a Christian fundamentalist.  (or _all_ as you say)
> Your lack of knowledge concerning Native American belief systems
> and methods of expressing knowledge allows you to make such a statement.

I'd like to point out that a large number of North American Indians happen
to be Christians, and this in no way conflicts with their "Indian-ness",
but rather enhances and completes it in their view. While the hostility of
a largely material culture to spirituality is not surprising, for those who may
be interested in Indian ways it might be more productive not to jump to
the conclusion that belittling Christianity establishes a common ground.

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Newsgroups: alt.native
From: anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)
Subject: Thomas Standing Bear
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:40:59 GMT

Original Sender: anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)

For Thomas Standing Bear ... and others who travel in the dream time between
two worlds.


					MEDICINE WHEEL


When the morning breaks and sunlight warms my soul
In the East the eagle flys and the red tail proudly soars
I'm on my way to the place of the spirit one;
Grandfather hear me now, I am on fire
Let the sundance guide my feet to your desire
Give me visions for my eyes and;
Words like gold that shimmer in the sun

        Hy-ah, hy-ah, hy-ah ....

When the sun goes down and it grows too dark to see;
I look within to the Shaman's mysteries.
I'm on my way, to die and live again
Grandmother Earth I cry give me rest:
I take my place with the woman in the West
Show me the Raven and the Bear;
The way of herbs and the black obsidian
	
        Hy-ah, hy-ah, hy-ah ....

Turn toward the south, like the water I will run
In innocence and trust the moonchild's song is sung
I'm on my way, to the place of the sacred plants
My emotions and my will at their command
Where the Turtle's voice is heard upon the land
Where the wise coyote prowls;
and the rattlesnake would call me to the dance

        Hy-ah, hy-ah, hy-ah ....

In the deepest night the stars watch over me
Old woman of the North my mind seeks clarity
I'm on my way, to the place of the northern winds
Let the thunder and the lightning carry me
Lay my thoughts to rest and send me into sleep
With the Hawk and the Buffalo;
My dreams white crystal, magic medicine

        Hy-ah, hy-ah, hy-ah ....


We miss you Bear ...


Yisgadal v'yiskadash sh'may rabo,
B'olmo deev'ro hir usay, v'yamleeh malhusay
B'hayayhon uvyomayhon, uvhayay d'hol bays yisroayl,
Baagolo uvizman koreev, v'imru omayn.

Y'hay sh'may rabo m'vorah, l'olam ulolmay olmayo
Yisborah v'yishtabah, v'yispoar v'yisromam,
Y'yisnasay v'yishadar, v'yisaleh, v'yishalal
sh'may d'kudsho b'rih hu
L'aylo min kol birhoso v'sheeroso
Tushb'hoso v'nehehmoso, daameeron b'olmo
V'im ru o-mayn
Y'hay sh'lomo rabo min sh'mayo
V'hayeem o-laynu v'al kol yisroayl v'imru omayn.

Ose sholom bimromov hu yaase sholom
Olaynu v'al kol yisroayl v'imru omayn.



 love & gratitude,

Lyn & Kevin, & family


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"We did not weave the web of life.  We   | Lyn Dearborn
are merely a strand in it.  Whatever     | Naturalist/Person
we do to the web, we do to ourselves"    | dearborn@anchor.esd.sgi.com
		Chief Seattle 1854				 | 415/ 321-1075
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Newsgroups: alt.native
From: "Paula Reynolds" <psilink.com!p00179>
Subject: Was: What White People can do (rant) now:  Question
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:41:27 GMT

Original Sender: "Paula Reynolds" <psilink.com!p00179>

>Original Sender: selway.umt.edu!demeler (Borries Demeler/Biophysics)
>Mailing List:    NATCHAT (nn.chat@gnosys.svle.ma.us)

In a recent posting, Borries Demeler wrote:

>Indians, move to a reservation and switch your job as a professor at a
>university for a job at a community college for about a third of the pay.
>See if you can't invest your resources for some tribe.
(pertaining to doctors deleted)
>Yes, as we heard in previous postings, name calling really doesnt cut it
>if you have a cushy job off the reservation. But there is something you can
>do to find out first hand where the problems are and how Indians feel about
>problems they are facing TODAY and maybe you have an idea on how to change it
>for the FUTURE, if you are exposed to it directly - let me know.


This is what I've been trying to do since graduation in May 1992.  I've
written to all the tribal colleges, applied for several jobs on area
reservations (Western New York), but to no avail.  I have excellent
references and pertinent job experience; it seems the jobs I was
seriously considered for went to individuals with 15+ years experience.
It's a tough job market out there.

My question:  how can I continue to track down jobs on reservations?
Now that I'm no longer affiliated with a university, I've not been able
to find _Lakota Times_ at area bookstores.  Since I'm unemployed, I
can't afford a subscription.  Has anyone considered posting jobs
somewhere on the net?

If anyone has suggestions, please feel free to email me directly
(p00179@psilink. com)...or to ask for my resume!  :)

Paula

Newsgroups: alt.native,news.groups,soc.culture.misc
From: idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mike Wilson)
Subject: Re: Comments on the 2nd RFD: soc.culture.native
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:20:53 GMT

gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:


>Here's what I have thus far:


>  CHARTER: Soc.culture.native is for the discussion  of  issues  relating  to
>  native populations throughout the world.  For the purposes of defining this
>  newsgroup, "native" is considered roughly synonymous with  "aboriginal"  or
>  "indigenous."  All of these terms designate the existing descendents of the
>  peoples who inhabited the present territory of a country at the  time  when
>  persons  of  a different culture or ethnic origin colonized that territory,
>  and who today  live  more  in  conformity  with  their  particular  social,
>  economic  and cultural customs and traditions than with the institutions of
>  the country of which they now form a part...

Hello Gary,

Good to hear from you again. I sincerely hope that I will 
have an opportunity to engage Preston Hardison in a new
USENET newsgroup someday.   But really, as both of you pointed
out, we aren't going to determine the question of sovereignty
in our little charter.  So, as much as I want to get into it,
I'll refrain for now.  I will only say that Preston pointed
out that he was speaking from the State's perspective, not the
native perspective.

As for this current form of the charter, I would say that it
ok, except the part about "existing descendents" is of course
inaccurate.  Like any other nation, Indian nations include many
people not on the basis of race and heredity.

About the "common oppression" thing again, Preston says that it 
is one of the most unifying aspects for native people, and yet
I would argue that like skin color, this criterion doesn't 
include everybody.  For the sake of including everyone, why 
don't we just drop the oppression stuff.  We all talk about
it, of course, but I'd rather not define myself by it, if it's
all the same to you.

About native people living in conformity with their traditions,
I would argue that there are many native people who, for reasons
either of their choosing or not, have left the traditions of
their nations.  Are they then not native?  That's not for me
to decide, nor, in my opinion, for this charter to decide.

Why not leave it vague as it was before?  

Cheers,

Mike


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