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From: tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook)
Subject: Re: Where are the children??
Organization: very little
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 06:14:30 GMT

In article <UBVF7N433@linac.fnal.gov> lewis@linac.fnal.gov (June Cummins Lewis) writes:
>
>Remember that episode where Ed fell in love with the red-haired
>girl--White Feather or something like that?  I remember she was
>surrounded by a whole bunch of kids in a couple of scenes.  I thought
>at that time that they might have explored that family more in future
>episodes. 
>


My impression was that Lightfeather lived in some sort of religous
commune or school with a bunch of other girls.  Their leader was
dressed as a priest.  Remember the scene where they had Ed over for
dinner (re-run last week...same episode as the chess match and
the duel) and the priest asked Ed what he wanted to do for a living?
It was around this time that Lightfeather heard Chris on the
radio talking about his motorcycle....and she realized that Ed
did not write the letters that got her so excited ("Words!  I
want the WORDS!!").

Was this the only time that Lightfeather and the girls from the
commune or school were on the show?



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From: dslee@netcom.com (Donna S. Lee)
Subject: Re: It on during football
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 05:23:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I can't stand it anymore!

It's not Kreaton or Kreton for Crissakes! It's cretin!!@!!
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From: bpencek@nevada.edu (Bruce Pencek)
Subject: Re: Oddz n' ens
Organization: Political Science Department, UNLV
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:48:42 GMT

In article <BuLFE1.Gv@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>It must just be me.  Has no one suggested the NORTHERN EXPOSURE - TWIN
>PEAKS connection?
>

I saw the connection, but I was too shy to inquire.  BTW, a review of the 
TP movie in the UNLV student paper last week also made the connection, without asking me.

bruce pencek
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From: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Eric Stoufflet)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: It on during football
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:37:01 GMT
Reply-To: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Eric Stoufflet)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Sep7.154752.5667@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>In article <7SEP199210443692@rigel.tamu.edu> mpk9716@rigel.tamu.edu (Health Man) writes:
>>	I love NE and so does my wife.  But monday night football is still on
>>when it airs at 9:00 PM here in Texas.  She wants to watch NE while I like
>>football (just a little better).  We record NE on the VCR but seldom get
>>time to view it and the tape eventually get erased.  Put this show on
>>another night so I can watch real TV and not those silly sit-coms.
>
>Boo!!!  Hiss!!!!  Get out of this newsgroup!!
>:-)
>

Yes, really.  If you are so deviant as to 1) Watch Monday Night Football
instead of NE, 2) FORGET to watch the tape, and then 3) complain about
this sad state of affairs, then you have a serious values problem.

Come back when you have developed some sense.
(Hint: listen to your wife)



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From: treilly@iastate.edu (Edward C Reilly)
Subject: The Length of Joel's Stay in Cicely
Keywords: Joel
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:53:56 GMT

In regards to questions about what happens to the series after Joel's
four year commitment runs out:

     Let us not forget that Hawkeye, Hot-Lips, Klinger, et al served in
the Korean war, which had an analog time of two years.  However the series
 M*A*S*H was on the air for ten seaons.  The temporary suspension os
disbelief isn't necessarily governed by Father Time.  

Ted 

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From: jps4800@tamsun.tamu.edu (John Parrish Schweers)
Subject: Re: Death to Chris
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:44:37 GMT

In article <FRANL.92Sep11140002@draco.centerline.com> franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio) writes:
>puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) writes:
>
>> russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams) writes:
>> 
>> >Is he actually either of these?  I'm not denying it, but I don't recall
>> >him ever explicitly stating wars should never be fought; with all his
>> >talk of life and death and whatnot I could easily imagine him saying
>> >war is an inevitable part of the human experience.
>> 

I don't know about being a peace-nick, but Chris is not a vegetarian.  He 
has ordered burgers at the Brick, and ate the birds after the hunt with
Holling and Joel.
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Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
From: eitan@pashosh.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il (Shternbaum Eitan)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:27:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computation Center

In article <1992Sep6.014003.4763@cs.yale.edu> bloom-debbie@CS.YALE.EDU (Deborah Faith Berman) writes:
>from most things on tv.  I particularly like Marilyn, Maggie, Ruth-Ann,
>and the one who plays the young, naive guy who makes movies (for some
>reason, his name escapes me.  I haven't watched for a while, because
>it's been in repeats.)
>

How could have you forgotten Eds' name ? :-)

btw, i once read a post by someone who discussed the an oportunity for
a new episode regarding eds' reaction to the woodie-soonyee affair.

I think it's a great idea , do you know if it's possible to tip the
creators of NX about it  (in-case they haven't thought about it yet) ?

>Deb
>
>
>
>


Eitan
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From: rroberts@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ross Allan Roberts)
Subject: Re: Death to Chris
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:13:07 GMT

>I really enjoy Chris' character (usually).  He does have the type of
>personality that I think would grate on one's nerves, however.  As a matter
>of fact, sometimes I am surprised that Maurice does not tighten the
>reigns on his broadcasts more often.  The one episode I found Chris to
>be almost intolerably obnoxious was when he decided to become a partner
>in the Brick.  Then again, I think this obnoxious turn was deliberate.

I think it's perfect! Don't you have a iend that way?... knows it all,
done it all, hase a great wild theory or explanation for everything? I
think that's a reason the show gets me... it's a little out there, but
more like real life than you know. 

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From: hank@waffle.sns.com (hankdtank)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Fling Thing
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:07:26 GMT
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669

bob@arx.adp.wisc.edu (Bob Mikrut) writes:

> I just subscribed, so I hope this isn't redundant (redundundant).
> 
> In the catapult episode, Chris decides not to fling the cow because
> it's been done (in 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail'), but is anyone 
> aware of the following:
> 
> In the Wall Street Journal, Tuesday, July 10, 1991, front page:
> 	"A Scud It's Not, But The Trebuchet Hurls
> 	 A Mean Piano"
> 
> This was the headline to a story on an Englishman named Hew Kennedy
> in Acton Round, England, who built a device known by the 14th century
> name 'trebuchet' (tray-boo-shay), "not to be confused with a catapult,
> a much smaller device that throws rocks".
> 
> The 1st paragraph of the acticle:
>   "With surprising grace, the grand piano sails through the sky a hundred
> feet above a pasture here, finally returning to earth in a fortissimo
> explosion of wood chunks, ivory keys and piano wire."
> 
> Additionally, the article includes a drawing, and it's the same
> device in the NE episode.
> 
> Too much, eh?? I figure the writers are WSJ readers and knew a
> really bizarre thing when they saw it.
> 
> BTW, Mr Kennedy also flung cows, horses, and hogs, all already dead
> though.  And porcelain toilets soaked in gasoline and set on fire.
> That would have fit well in NE, n'est pas?
> 
> 
> ===================================================================
> ! Bob Mikrut                     ! internet: bob@rags.adp.wisc.edu!
> ! University of Wisconsin        !                                !
> ===================================================================
> 


"Car & Driver" did a whole article on the 'trebuchet.'  It was called 
"Seige the Day."  Two guys in England built a replica and fling toilets 
filled with gasoline and small cars and people.  They thought that they 
might sell a few of these, but at the time of the article, they had only 
sold one-- to NX.  If you want one, they only cost $18,000.00.
 
Supposedly, a monster truck show is talking with the guys to see if they can 
construct one to fling a school bus.
 
Here's a question, How did the producers of NX hear about this thing?
 
Oh, it was in "Car & Driver" because they wanted to fling a small car, a 
Trabant, I think.  Great article, much better than the WSJ piece.  I forgot 
the issue date... maybe March '92.

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From: clark@netcom.com (Sue Clark)
Subject: Re: Best episode- Cicily and Rosalyn
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 05:23:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: Cicily and Rosalyn

treilly@iastate.edu (Edward C Reilly) writes:

>Earlier today, someone mentioned the cicly and Rosalyn episode as their
>favorite.  People I have talked to tended to either like it or hate it,
>and I noticed an interesting correlation:  The ones who liked it saw the
>film "Fried Green Tomatoes," and the ones who did not see the film did not
>like the episode.

>Consider the similarities:

[possible similarities deleted]

I think you're stretching with this one, personally.  I believe a main
reason that the anologies are being mentioned is there's so few roles
that actually star women as oppsed to them being a
wife/girlfriend/secretary of some sort.  Any time there's a major female
presence in a production people start to search for similarities (it's
like "Fried Green Tomatoes" or "It's like Thelma and Louise").

Personally, I think it's kinda saying that Northern Exposure is like
Gilligan's Island because there's a coed main cast that's mostly stuck
in an isolated area.  

Okay...maybe I'm reaching, too...but then again...There's Joel, and
Maurice, too...I think you all know the tune. ;)

Sue

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From: mccla_d@crocus.cs.odu.edu (dennis mcclain-furmanski)
Subject: RE: Where Are The Children?
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Distribution: alt.tv.northern-exp
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:16:06 GMT

stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com says:

> Or is it just because the writers have no experience with children?

Can't speak for them, as I don't know them. But I find writing for children's
parts much harder myself. The current crop of sitcoms invariably contains smart
ass kids. I think if they tried to include kids, we'd all be prewired to expect
this behavior from any kids and we'd get so involved in scrutinizing the 
behavior trying to fulfill our expectations that we'd miss the rest of the 
show. Trying to write a kids part up to par with the rest of the show, trying
to find a kid sophisticated enough to play it right, and combating the
general mindset of TV watchers (even the best of us fall prey) is a sticky
wicket to try to whack a program through.

Sure it lacks realism, but the show is supposed to be a bit surreal, is it not?

BTW, I've seen more than a few rants against Chris's character. I have a friend
who hates this character also. Funny thing is, he acts like that when he thinks
he can get away with it. I think he feels outdone at his own ego game, one
he strains at. And Chris makes it look so natural.....

Personally, he's my favorite, although I'd really like some insight on what 
goes on inside Marilyn Whirlwind's head. An Inuit _Roots_ kind of show.

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From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Subject: Re: Death to Chris
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:23:22 GMT

>>I for one wish the character Chris would start dating the character
>>Maggie O'Connell and something spectacularly fatal (typically) would
>>occur for the sin of dating O'Connell.  I cannot stand the character
>>Chris.  He is a smarmy know-it-all with more pop psuedo-intellectual
>>name dropping than every Woody Alan movie put together.  It wouldn't be

>While I agree that Chris is full of alot of hot air, if you notice
>most of the reactions from the people of Cicily, they feel the
>same way...rolling eyes, questioning looks...they just listen to
>what he says cause he is on the radio, and then hear some pretty
>cool tunes.  Too bad everyone who doesn't like Chris can't just


GASP!! Chris is my favorite character! Wait.... Adam Arkins character
is my favorite.... Chris is #2. 

His rambling is often the show highlight in my worthless opinion.

el
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From: jeff@spdcc.com (Jeff Fabijanic)
Subject: Re: Best Episode + song question
Keywords: life, flinging, cow, piano, trebuchet, Africa, song
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:18:35 GMT

Actually, the device Chris used was a trebuchet, not a catapult. I know that
everyone on the show called it a catapult, but what can I say, I'm just a
European seige warfare nerd.
 
Tschus,
  Jeff

p.s. Almost forgot the second reason I'm writing - Forgive me if this has
been asked before, but I am trying to find the origin of the song in the
"Split Soul" episode (the one where Chris's bro returns from Africa after
Chris becomes aphasiatic and they eventually resolve his problem by providing
him with a half-moth in amber). Does anyone know who performed the dream-song?
I suspect that it is called "Toy Cows in Africa". No theories please, just any 
hard facts (I've had about 1000 different "I think it could be.."s). Thanks.

p.p.s. To Don McCoy, who wrote:
 
>        The important message here is that _everyone_ has a need to
>express themselves in some way.  NX dared to show a scenario where
>someone was supported in there effort, rather than being derided for
>wanting to do something totally weird.  Cool.  Too bad it's TV and
>not real life.

Hey, you know, there are plenty of people out there "doin' the wild thang"
(as Shelly would put it), and plenty of people who support them in their
efforts (I guess the writers of NX qualify). So get out there and throw a
piano (or something else), shoot that film, write that book, or just live 
your life a little more fearlessly - like any other habit, it gets easier
the more you do it.
From: sharonc@meaddata.com (Sharon Crichton)
Subject: Re: Tonight's episode
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:14:01 GMT
Reply-To: sharonc@meaddata.com
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep15.060343.13300@cs.wm.edu>, sletten@cs.wm.edu (Brian J. Sletten) writes:
|> So, folks, which would you save, a cat or a Rembrandt? Does art afford
|> life a meaning it could not achieve on its own? Or is a painting just oil
|> on canvas? A book just ink on paper? Do their merits transcend
|> physical expression?

The cat. Supposedly cats can catch mice, although none of the cats I've ever
owned would admit to being able to catch a mouse. :-) Paintings just hang on
a wall and collect dust. I hate dusting.

|> Taking things to a slightly more erudite level...

Taking things back down to a really stupid level...

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From: palmerp@math.orst.edu (Paul A Palmer)
Subject: Re: Toy Cows in Africa
Reply-To: Paul Palmer <palmerp@math.orst.edu>
Organization: Dept. of Math, Oregon State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:07:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.132035.83@dptg.att.com> reg@dptg.att.com (51351[efw]-Regina Mackiewicz(MT4799)1374MT) writes:

   after a lot of episodes my husband and i glue ourselves to the credits
   to see if they mention the artists or anything about the music.  i 
   wish they would because some of the music is GREAT! 

I agree. I tried to learn from the credits who did "Toy Cows" but it wasn't
there. 

Now I just discovered this group and it looks like you've already discussed
this and I missed all but this last post. Did you figure out who did this
song? It really stuck in my mind, and I'd like to track it down.

If this subject has already been hashed, just mail me the answer.

Thanks greatly for any help.

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From: howard@boxhill.com (Howard Gershen)
Subject: Re: Where are the children?? (well, here they are...)
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:51:58 GMT

A coupl'a observations on the missing children:

1) Bob Newhart's shows have also been notable for the lack of child
	characters, by his own request. There have been numerous other
	TV shows without major child characters, even shows where one
	might have *expected* (no pun intended) children to show up
	in the normal course of events, had the show been written by
	less talented writers. On the other hand, there are some shows,
	notably "Bullwinkle", where the program is meant to be for kids'
	enjoyment, but ostensibly is something enjoyed more by adults.
	Go figure.

2) Contrary to the opinion that there are no children, there actually
	are quite a few children in NEX, you just have to know where to
	look:

	-- Maurice tries to adopt Chris.
	-- Maurice discovers he has a grown son from Korea.
	-- Shelly has the odd role of being both daughter and mother
		to her own mother.
	-- When Joel's inducted into (Marilyn's?) tribe, Chris greets
		him with the traditional/cliche Bar Mitzvah words of
		wisdom: "Now you are a man" (implying he was only a
		child previously).
	-- Chris, among his readings of Shakespeare, St. Vincent Millay,
		London, Campbell, etc., often reads kids books over the
		air.
	-- Ruth-Anne has spoken about her children in the lower 48.
	-- Ed was an orphan, raised by an entire tribe acting as his
		parents.
	-- Ed's decision to learn flute-making from Ira (whose children,
		I think I remember, chose different paths) makes him a
		sort of surrogate-son to Ira.
	-- When the subatomic physicist's circus (Flying Man's* episode)
		visits Cicely, we meet his daughter; her mother tries
		to buy an RS-232 cable at Ruth-Anne's store, but settles
		for a box of 3.5" diskettes.
	-- The mysterious package sent 'round the world was sent by a
		child (he's never shown, but is an integral part of the
		plot).
	-- Maggie's mother, on a visit, burns down Maggie's house and
		Maggie's in the awkward position of being/acting "more 
		responsible" than her mother.
	
	I'm sure there are others. The key seems to be that there *are*
children and parents on the show, but their relationships are screwed-up
or extraordinary, however you want to put it. And let's not forget the
other pregnancy on the show, Shelly's "phantom" pregnancy. How's that for
a metaphor for the lack of kids (preteens) on the show?

Howard Gershen
Information Czar

-----
*I know it was another thread, but something else of note about 
the "Flying Man", Bill Irwin: he was a winner of a McArthur 
Foundation "Genius" Award for his clowning/pantomime. If he ever
comes to town, or PBS shows his "The Regard of Flight", see him.
							~~~ ~~~
He's about the funniest stone-faced comic since Buster Keaton.
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From: velour@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michelle Wiener)
Subject: Re: Shakespeare
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:00:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.004249.10871@unlv.edu> bubba@guitar-slim.cs.unlv.edu (Kenneth B. Been) writes:
>
>Has anyone read (or seen) the play "As You Like It"?  (I hope I am remembering the right play.  Anyway, it's the one where Rosalind's secret admirer is carving up all the trees in the forest with love poems.)
>
>It occurred to me that "Roslyn" and "Cicely", from Northern Exposure, may be allusions to "Rosalind" and "Celia" from As You Like It.  Rosalind and Celia dress up like men -- in fact, pretend to be men -- and go out into the "wild" woods.  Roslyn and Cicely are lesbians who go out to "wild" Alaska.
>
>Am I way off base?  Does anyone care?

Wow... that never even occurred to me!  I wonder if it was deliberate, or
whether the writers came up with the names first (since Roslyn's is an actual
place, that would seem logical) and then said, "Whoa, wait aminute, dude..."
and took it from there.  It certainly fits in with the other literary
allusions from other episodes.  Cool.  Way to be on top of things!


"Are the synapses not firing?"

Michelle


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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Adam (was Re: Cast members) 
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:29:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.021339.5707@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks) writes:
>Fran Litterio writes:
>>
>> Adam (the character) is unlike anything I've ever seen before.  I love how
>>his entrances are sometimes just shots of his dirty bare feet stepping
>>into the frame.  One of the last shows of last season implied he
>>worked for some intelligence agency.  Can we believe this, or is it
>>another Adam super-lie?
>
>Of course we can believe this, how else did he know about Joel and Maggie
>in the hotel suite?
>
>Rob U

And he also claims to have been all kinds of obscure places. I don't
think much of the character; they use him to:  

a) annoy Joel

b) drop him in any time they can't think of anything good to do
   with the regular characters. He and his mate whine a while
   and say outrageous things. It's a way to kill fifteen minutes
   of an episode, I suppose. 

Ken B. 
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