HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji)
Subject: RFD: alt.music newsgroups
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:35:18 GMT

After reading all the reponses about the reorganization of the
music newsgroups, how about the following changes:

alt.emusic	                => alt.music.electronic
alt.exotic-music                => alt.music.exotic
alt.thrash	                => alt.music.thrash
alt.guitar	                => alt.music.guitar
alt.bass                        => alt.music.bass
alt.rock-n-roll                 => alt.music.rock
alt.rock-n-roll.acdc            => alt.music.rock.acdc
alt.rock-n-roll.metal           => alt.music.metal
alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy     => alt.music.metal.speed
alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica => alt.music.metal.metallica

And the creation of the following newsgroups:

alt.music.rock.hard
alt.music.guitar.tab

"Let the madness begin" - Ozzy Osbourne

Maple

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Xref: sparky alt.config:2945 soc.history:3604 soc.culture.usa:2951 alt.war:749
From: jxxl@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Newsgroups: alt.config,soc.history,soc.culture.usa,alt.war
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.american-civil-war
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:24:43 GMT
Reply-To: jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Distribution: na
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron) writes:

> I prefer to avoid creating new names directly under alt when possible.
> And of course, there's more than one "america", and "american-civil-war"
> fails the SysV ruler test.  How about "alt.war.us-civil-war"?

I agree that the group should go under alt.war. How about something a
tad shorter like alt.war.us-civil? However, the idea for the group is
good as this topic seems to be a speciality interest for a lot of folks.

John
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: u322555@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw
Subject: Test
Date: 16 APR 92 15:59:27 GMT
Organization: Computer Center, NCU, Taiwan, R.O.C.

test
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.music newsgroups
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 01:33:50 GMT

You forgot a few:

alt.music.soft
alt.music.just.right
alt.music.ez
alt.music.opera
alt.music.modern-jazz
alt.music.noise
alt.music.fusion
alt.music.new-wave
alt.music.punk
alt.music.psychedelic
alt.music.boring
alt.music.exciting
alt.music.ok
alt.music.classical
alt.music.classical.chopin
alt.music.classical.mozart
alt.music.classical.beethoven
alt.music.classical.bach
alt.music.give.me.a.break
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
             If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure
From: aem@paris.cs.miami.edu (a.e.mossberg)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: reorg of alt. music groups?
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:21:14 GMT
Reply-To: aem@paris.cs.miami.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics & Computer Science, University of Miami
NNTP-Posting-Host: paris.cs.miami.edu


I'd like to see the following changes made:

alt.emusic	 => alt.music.electronic
alt.exotic-music => alt.music.exotic
alt.thrash	 => alt.music.thrash
alt.guitar	 => alt.music.guitar

to correspond with the recently created alt.music hierarchy used for
alt.music.alternative and alt.music.enya

This is how I present the newsgroups locally, but it would be nice to
clean up some of the second level of the alt hierarchy..

aem
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From: bsc7@po.CWRU.Edu (Bradley S. Corsello)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Vandalism
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:05:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr17.150534.10715
Reply-To: bsc7@po.CWRU.Edu (Bradley S. Corsello)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) says:

>>>Who says these people _choose_ to use a newsreader without a kill function?
>>
>>They choose to access Usenet at a certain system.  They could use a
>>public access site if their current software is unsatisfactory.
>
>Who says they necessarily could?  Many of them, I'll bet, do not have
>computers in their home, are not connected to the Internet, and/or are
>not located near public access Unix sites.  Conceivably they COULD use
>a public access site even in these circumstances, but only after
>considerable expense.

You hit the nail right on the head.  It is wrong for the c*scaders and other
noisemakers to presume to put net readers to the expense of switching to 
another system to filter out their noise.

-- 
Brad Corsello (bsc7@po.cwru.edu) 1L Case Western Reserve Law School
"Studium legum superat laborem." _ U.S. _ (Holmes, J., dissenting).
"You can believe me because I never lie and I'm always right." - FT
"Factum clarum, jus nebulosum."  Rex v. Haddock (Ct. Crim. App.)
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Yet another listing of "alt" newsgroups
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:33:27 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Thank you for listing alt.drumcorps in the listing of "alt" newsgroups but
I wish to clarify that:

alt.drumcorps is not an alias for alt.colorguard.  They are separate newsgroups
discussing separate but related areas of the marching competition activity.

The information line for alt.drumcorps ought to read:

Discussion of the drum and bugle corps activity worldwide.
  
Thanks in advance for making that correction.

-- 
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From: jon%vector0.UUCP@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Dazed N. Confused)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.metal, not alt.r-n-r.metal
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:35:23 PDT
Organization: Vector Zero

maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes:

> I would like to see the following changes made to the newgroups:

     You forget that this is alt.  It's almost impossible to
*remove* a group, and you want to remove the old ones and
create new ones?  Talk about a mess.  Unless every news admin
in the known world is aware of the change the thing won't
possibly work.

> The reason that I think "rock-n-roll" should be removed is because
> heavy metal is NOT rock n roll.  Yes, it did derive from rock music,

     Ok, well, granted, but *this* is altnet...


--Dazed

   jon%vector0@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US                Life is like a kiwi.
   PacBell.COM!sactoh0!vector0!jon
From: jxxl@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: The name will be alt.war.civil.usa
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:44:27 GMT
Reply-To: jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:

> The American Civil War newsgroup will be called alt.war.civil.usa.  I decided
> on this name because of its shortness, the way it fits into the hierarchy, and
> its less ambiguous title (usa instead of American).

The problem I see is that the implicit creation of the alt.war.civil
hierarchy implies that there will be more civil wars that will earn
their own groups. I really doubt that. The US Civil War has a very avid
following, undoubtedly as high as for any "civil war." What would be in
second? Spanish Civil War? English Civil War? These aren't likely to get
their own groups. In fact, there aren't too many wars of any ilk that
could justify their own group outside of the US Civil War, WWII, and
maybe Vietnam. I favor putting any specific wars under the alt.war
hierarchy, with these suggestions for the US Civil War:

	alt.war.civil-usa
	  [Note that the dash prevents the implicit
	   creation of the inbetween hierarchy alt.war.civil]
	alt.war.civil-us
	alt.war.us-civil

John
From: twpierce@amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Create alt.tm for Transcendental Meditators?
Date: 2 Apr 92 04:38:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: amherst.1992Apr2.003811.1
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.

alt.tm?

How about alt.r?  alt.c?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Simon LeVay says he can't find any lesbian
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  brains ... I've been to that bar."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / -- Max Meredith Vasilatos (max@athena.mit.edu)
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 05:19:05 EDT
From: Jim McIntosh <jim@american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: rmgroup alt.graphics

In article <_9vjcd.jef@netcom.com>, jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer) says:
>There is no alt.graphics newsgroup.  A long time ago some ignorant
>sysadmin sent out a newgroup for it, in the mistaken belief that
>alt.graphics had to exist before alt.graphics.pixutils could.
>The group has persisted ever since.  If you have the group on your
>system you are doing your users a dis-service, since any articles
>they post there will be junked on the vast majority of sites.
>
>Please remove it.

I've seen your  rmgroup requests before. alt.graphics has 13  posts in it
here (with  a four day  retention period). Since  this is alt,  and since
people are  using the group, shouldn't  we let them? Why  rmgroup a group
people are using?
---
Jim McIntosh (jim@american.edu)
The American University
Washington DC 20016-8019 USA
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.sci.astro.figaro
From: sns@deimos.caltech.edu (Sam Southard Jr.)
Subject: alt.sci.astro.figaro
Organization: Caltech Astronomy Department
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:33:10 GMT

I understand that the creation of alt.sci.astro.figaro was done incorrectly.
Although I did not create it, it was done at my request.  I would now like to
ligitimize the creation of the group (as much as any alt group creation can
be ligitimized, at least).

The purpose of this group would be to discuss anything having to do with
Figaro, which is an astronomical data reduction package, similar in size and
purpose to AIPS, IRAF, and VISTA, used by many sites around the world.  Figaro
is available for VAX/VMS machines, Sun 4s, and Convexs (convexen?).

A figaro mailing list of some sort already exists.  However, it is currently
used to announce patches to the Sun version.  Since Figaro is typically used
by several people at a site, an expansion of the mailing list to be used as
a general discussion forum would be very inefficient.

I suppose a sample newsgroup line would be

alt.sci.astro.figaro	Discussion about the Figaro data reduction package

Exactly what needs to be done to ligitimize alt.sci.astro.figaro?

Any comments/objections/whatever?

-- 

Sam Southard, Jr.
{sns@deimos.caltech.edu|{backbone}!cit-vax!deimos!sns}
Xref: sparky alt.config:2837 alt.folklore.urban:11923
From: tjw@vm2.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT PROCLAMATION: THE FUTURE OF THE NET
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:23:02 GMT
Followup-To: news.admin,news.groups,alt.config,comp.org.eff.talk
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


This is a wonderful idea.  Now all we have to do is get 100 more YES votes
than NO votes:

(Please bear with me for the sake of those who missed the almighty KIBO's
original proclamation):

In article <BM0GGs.24r@world.std.com>, kibo@world.std.com (Leader Kibo) writes:

> P R O C L A M A T I O N
> ***********************

> WHEREAS, the computer network named USENET has problems:

> => It is cluttered with thousands of disorganized groups.

> => It is difficult to use due to the various software interfaces.

> => It is infected with viruses, especially in the .signatures.

> THEREFORE, in an official and secret democratic vote, Kibo has been duly
> elected LEADER OF THE NET.  To solve these problems, Leader Kibo has
> decided to take bold measures, a brave new initiative, detailed herein.

       [Death of USENET not PREDICTED, but rather DEMANDED appeared here]

> The new network shall be named HAPPYNET, as it will be a Better Place.
> Usenet is dead.  Long live HappyNet!

But here's the part I think is the best.  I'm surprised that Greg Woods or
Gene Spafford never thought of this...

> New groups will also be added for maximum enjoyment.  The network would
> be a very unfair place if only Leader Kibo were allowed to propose new
> groups.  Instead, because Leader Kibo is benevolent and omnisagaciously
> father-like, he will create WHATEVER GROUP YOU WANT (even, say,
> megabozo.kibo.is.a.blenny!) provided that (a) you follow the Official
> Procedure, filing all six copies of your request in triplicate and then
> making four carbons of each, and (b) you pay Leader Kibo $100 for each
> letter in the new group's name, and $500 for each period.

This is the best idea I've ever seen advanced on USENET!

However, Craig Shergold told me that he would do this for only "two fifty"
and the price of a post card with your credit card number written on it.

For discount NEW newsgroups send your postcards to:

	Craig "only two fifty" Shergold
	C/O Make a Wish
	Pittsburgh, PA 15222-2222

Terry "There Can Be Only One" Wood
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.war,soc.history
From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Subject: Re: A new name for the proposed group (Was RFD: alt.american-civil-war)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:38:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.044826.9438@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>In general, the comments I have been receiving about the proposed Civil War
>newsgroup have to do with the name that is involved.  The points that are made
>are quite valid.
>
>To more logically suit the network hierarchy, the name will be changed from
>alt.american-civil-war to something else (there have been a number of good
>suggestions) when and if the newsgroup is ever created.
>
>As per the suggestions:
>
>The new name will 1) not have the word "american" in it, since this can be
>ambiguous; 2) should more logically fit into a hierarchy (alt.war.*****;
>soc.history.*******, etc.)
>
>Thanks to you all for your suggestions and comments.

	Wouldn't a logical name be alt.war.civil.usa? That way, other
groups like alt.war.civil.lebanon or alt.war.civil.canada could be fit into
the hierarchy easily.

							James Nicoll
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: alt.drumcorps/colorguard (Re: Yet another listing
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:47:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.192505.10812@husc3.harvard.edu> fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>I'm not sure I follow you.  Do you mean reducing them into one group or
>adding an additional hierachy indicator like:

>alt.bands.drumcorps
>alt.bands.colorguard
>alt.bands.marching

The latter. I'll be happy to help, but we need to do something clever with
the move to make it work, and get some support among the people in the
existing colorguard group.

The first step would simply be to create the two new groups under alt.bands.
Then post on alt.colorguard a suggestion that it be moved into the newly
formed hiererchy... both to make things tidier and to make the group name
more descriptive.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: cuz@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Cousin It)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.music newsgroups
Organization: The Addams Family
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:40:20 GMT

becker@acsu.buffalo.edu (Don Becker) writes:
>maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes:

>>After reading all the reponses about the reorganization of the
>>music newsgroups, how about the following changes:

>I'm all for the idea, Maple, but the question is: Can we get a newsadmin to
>approve the destruction of the alt.rock-n-roll hierarchy?

	Sure. You can also get me, who is not a newsadmin, to send out
rmgroup messages. The real question is, is it feasible. The answer is,
No. First, all these groups are active. There really is NO reason to
move them, as they are logically named. I don't think anyone would
think rock-n-roll was about dancing. Thus, I don't see any major
reason to change it. Oh, and to everyone bitching about a.r-n-r.metal,
and saying that metal ain't rock, Get A Clue. Metal certainly ain't
Blues, it ain't Jazz, it ain't New Age. It didn't derive fromany of
those forms (at least not directly). Metal is just a subset of r-n-r,
and should stay that way no matter if the groups stay the same or are
moved.

-Cuz
From: becker@acsu.buffalo.edu (Don Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.music newsgroups
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:49:54 GMT
Organization: UB

maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes:

>After reading all the reponses about the reorganization of the
>music newsgroups, how about the following changes:

[proposal deleted]

I'm all for the idea, Maple, but the question is: Can we get a newsadmin to
approve the destruction of the alt.rock-n-roll hierarchy?

--Don
  hoping for a 'yes' answer to the above question

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From: weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Create alt.tm for Transcendental Meditators?
Keywords: Transcendental Meditation
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:33:31 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Distribution: world,public
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: mathew@mantis.co.uk (From A to B)

In article <sVPNiB15w164w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew@mantis (From A to B) writes:

>> How about alt.meditation?

>That might get filled with Buddhists.  How about alt.meditation.tm?

How about alt.trans-med?  Or will that get filled with North Africans?
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: petek@vipunen.hut.fi (Petri 'Pete' Karha)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Newsgroup will change name soon
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:49:27 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In <1992Apr6.135534.2997@nntp.hut.fi> klappala@vipunen.hut.fi ("Kuisma Lappalainen") writes:
>I retry to create the group, but this will change the name. New name for
>the group will be alt.music.karaoke.

Please no! This will just wake the same conversation again.
There are lots of people who think that "karaoke != music". Remove the
old group and start it again.
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From: rcj@caen.engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: How about a group for Richard Feynman fans?
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:02:22 GMT
Organization: Lost Tribes of Gazebo

In article <gbsjw+k.jef@netcom.com> Jef Poskanzer <jef@netcom.com> writes:
>pds5853@sigma.tamu.edu (PAUL D. SHOCKLEE):

>}    There has been some discussion in alt.culture.tuva about creating a
>}group for discussion of Richard Feynman

>Actually, that's what I thought alt.culture.tuva was for.  Oh well,
>never underestimate the capacity of the net to miss subtlety.

No no no, please.

Some of us have been Tuva fans long before, and entirely apart from
any interest in Feynman.  I'm entirely *un*interested in Feynman,
actually, except insofar as he bears on Tuva, and I think
alt.fan.feynman is a great idea because I won't have to read it.
Alt.culture.tuva isn't about Star Trek, O-rings, the space shuttle or
particle physics, it's about Tuva.

I'm sure there's a lot for Feynman Fans to talk about, but please
leave us our little corner of the net for Tuva.

--
       Rod Johnson  *  rcj@caen.engin.umich.edu  *  (313) 764-3103

            "And if they take away your sleep sometimes
             they give it back again."     --Hart Crane
From: d90-two@czarny.nada.kth.se (Thomas Wolmer)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: reorg of alt. music groups?
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:15:56 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <kulu3aINN9et@paris> aem@paris.cs.miami.edu writes:
>
>I'd like to see the following changes made:
>
>alt.emusic	 => alt.music.electronic
>alt.exotic-music => alt.music.exotic
>alt.thrash	 => alt.music.thrash
>alt.guitar	 => alt.music.guitar
>
>to correspond with the recently created alt.music hierarchy used for
>alt.music.alternative and alt.music.enya

Good idea. I don't think that alt.thrash originally was meant for music
discussions but as it today almost only contains hardcore/Death Metal stuff
it... should actually be replaced with alt.music.hc (or *.punk-hc ?) and
the Death Metal could go to soon-to-be-created-I-hope alt.music.metal.speed.

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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Can I find a good pirate board on Internet?
Keywords: IBM, software
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:15:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

I'm sorry, but this was just too much to pass up.  From alt.bbs.internet.

bwebster@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (Bryan Earl Webster) writes:

>Are there any BBS' on Internet that have "pirated" software?
>If there are will someone please drop me a line to let me know where they  
>are?

>thanks

>Bwebster@wam.umd.edu
-- 
Someday you will get your big chance - or have you already had it?
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: "Where is alt.bass?" and alt creation guidelines
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:43:54 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <NqRyiB3w164w@mantis.co.uk> jonathan@mantis.co.uk (Jonathan Egre') 
writes:
>Is the lack of alt.bass a widespread problem?  Has the newsgroup been 
>withdrawn without me noticing?

Not only did I never see a discussion here in alt.config, I never even
received so much as an empty "newgroup" message for alt.bass before articles
(only a handful, though) started showing up in my "junk" directory.

If you want to see the group succeed, you're best off following the
guidelines in "How to create a new 'alt' group" (reposted here recently
by Jonathan Kamens).

[Incidentally, Jonathan and I are making arrangements to see the guidelines
become a standard FAQ.]

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Xref: sparky alt.config:2934 alt.bbs.internet:2304