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From: gemmellj@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: TWA\ ff miles consolidation??
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:02:10 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

In article <1992Jul22.193359.12845@watson.ibm.com>, rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin) writes:
> In <22JUL199210520053@ucis.vill.edu> 185422285@ucis.vill.edu writes:
>> A question for anybody following the saga of airlines. What condition
>> is TWA in, and will they be flying in Aug. I have a trip which I
>> will be using my father's ff miles. Also, for a trip from Philadelphia
>> to Paris thru New York on the NY-Paris stretch what plane will
>> most likely be used.
> 
> TWA flies a 747 on the NY-Paris run.  The seating is 3-4-3 in coach.  It's
> probably too late to change, but could you have used the miles for a ticket
> on a different international airline instead?
> 
> Meanwhile, I am flying TWA JFK-ATL next month as well, so I hope they stick
> around, too.
> 
> -- Bill rubin@watson.ibm.com

I thought I heard that TWA and American might be getting together.....

also.  Contitental and Canadian.


In all this consolidation, I'm trying to figure a way how to consolidate
my ff miles.  I have most of mine (18K)  on American.
I have around 2K on USAir and on Northwest.

is there any way I can bring all my ff miles into my advantage account?

please get back to me.

john
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From: pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl)
Subject: Re: TWA
Organization: Technical University of Munich, Germany
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:26:30 GMT

sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones) writes:

>In <22JUL199210520053@ucis.vill.edu> 185422285@ucis.vill.edu (Clinton and Gore in 92) writes:

>>A question for anybody following the saga of airlines. What condition 
>>is TWA in, and will they be flying in Aug. I have a trip which I 

>News reports in Canada suggest that TWA will be somehow incorporated
>in US/BritAir.  This may be because the news reports are painting as

The same rumors have been here in Germany. It sounded like BA would
give lots of $$$$ to USAir to buy TWA. But nothing has been comfirmed
right now. TWA still has lots of A330/340 contracts and will be one
of the first users of these airplanes.

>bad a picture of the buy-into as possible since Air Canada seesm to
>have put all its eggs in the "agreement-with-USAir" basket and now
>finds them all broken by British Airways.

Same way with Lufthansa. Is USAir really that attractive?

>But...am I not getting all the mail in this newsgroup or has there
>been no comment on the British Airways-USAir deal?

Peter Loibl
pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
From: sdl@linus.mitre.org (Steven D. Litvintchouk)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Bumpy Ride (was: Best Airlines)
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:01:40 GMT
	<1992Jul21.213921.930@pony.Ingres.COM>
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA


In article <1992Jul21.213921.930@pony.Ingres.COM> reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:

> Path: linus.mitre.org!linus!agate!bionet!ames!pacbell.com!rtech!ingres!reb
> From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
> Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
> Date: 21 Jul 92 21:39:21 GMT
> References: <1992Jul21.134042.4865@ameris.ameritech.com>
> Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
> Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
> Lines: 6
> 
> I find I  can sleep better  during turbulence...  in  any event,  it's
> certainly not  the fault of the  pilot. Listen  to  the cockpit-ground
> conversations sometimes (on UA  it's often on  channel #9)  and you'll
> hear the  pilots constantly looking for smoother  altitudes to  fly at
> and ways around big storms.
> 					reb

However, a pilot who flies airliners for Northwest Airlines told me
that just how much turbulence is acceptable is a policy that varies
from airline to airline.  (Obvious reason: flying around turbulence
wastes fuel.)  He even said that on occasions where NorthWest policy
stipulated avoiding turbulence, planes from USAir just flew right
through it.

Does anyone know if this is true?  If so, does anyone know what some
of the turbulence acceptability policies are among the major airlines?


--
Steven Litvintchouk
MITRE Corporation
202 Burlington Road
Bedford, MA  01730

Fone:  (617)271-7753
ARPA:  sdl@mitre.org
UUCP:  linus!sdl
	"Where does he get those wonderful toys?"
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: I want to be bumped
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:18:48 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA


On 27 Jul 92 17:10:48 GMT, reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) said:
> Now that you're at the top of the list, if they are short of  just one
> seat you get whatever it is they are offering.  Be aware, though, that
> lately airlines  are  giving  vouchers  good for  a  certain number of
> dollars off of a future ticket, *not* a free ticket.

On a recent American the bidding was started at $100 certificate valid
torwards future air travel.
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From: pbp1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter B Palij)
Subject: Tower Air?
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:50:16 GMT


Is Tower Air a reasonable airline for U.S. to Europe in terms of
treatment of passengers, price/performance and staying on schedule?
Thanks for any views or experiences.

Peter
--
Peter Palij
Columbia University, Graduate School of Business
213 Uris Hall
New York  NY  10027                      Internet: pbp1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: TWA
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:44:06 GMT

185422285@ucis.vill.edu (Clinton and Gore in 92) wrote: 
->A question for anybody following the saga of airlines. What condition 
->is TWA in, and will they be flying in Aug. 

honey, if we knew this do you think we'd tell you for free?  we'd sell
it to those who trade in this information and make enough money to fly
an airline which will be around for a while ...

there hasn't been much news about TW lately ... i'd use those miles
ASAP, though.

-> ...I have a trip which I 
->will be using my father's ff miles. Also, for a trip from Philadelphia
->to Paris thru New York on the NY-Paris stretch what plane will 
->most likely be used.

i last flew this trip in october, and they used 747 aircraft then
(and a quick phone call to TW: 800 221 2000 confirms this is still the
case).  

note, however, that the return flight (CDG-JFK) is the continuation of
a flight from tel aviv ... thus, you should expect security to be
obvious ... on my flight, there was a bomb scare and we left CDG two
hours late.  we did land in new york late, and i ultimately ended up
flying to san francisco on an american airlines flight.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
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From: jonathan@chpc.utexas.edu (Jonathan Thornburg)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Summary: flying is pretty safe; crews don't pay a surcharge for life insurance
Keywords: flying fear boeing 767 two 2 engine reliable crew life insurance
Organization: U of Texas at Austin / Physics Dept / Center for Relativity
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 01:06:32 GMT

[I believe I have untangled the multi-level attributions here, but
 if I'm attributing the following quote to the wrong person, I apologise.]

In article <CINDY.92Jul24155658@solan10.solan.unit.no>,
cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>Can anyone help me. I am a fearful flyer and just discovered I am flying to
>Barcelona on Friday on a 767 which has only two engines. I didn't realize it
>is smaller than the 747 either. Isn't it unsafe to fly only two engines
>across the Atlantic. I thought these had been banned. Any help would be
>appreciated.

It's true, the 757 and 767 have only 2 engines.  (And they even fly
767s on Austraila <--> USA nonstop legs, which is a lot farther than
crossing the Atlantic.)  But, and this is the reason these airplanes
are certified for long-range overwater flights, engine failure in
flight is *very* rare -- most accidents (a) aren't caused by engine
failure, and (b) happen on takeoff and (especially) landing anyway.

Another very relevant point is that you can often judge the extent
to which a practice is hazardous by looking at the insurance rates
for it.  Up until about 1950, airline crews had to pay a large premium
to get life insurance -- it was considered to be a "hazardous occupation".
That's no longer the case, there is no premium at all.  That includes
2-engine long-overwater flight crews.  This strongly suggests that
even very frequent flight of this type is pretty safe.

One other point:  The world's scheduled airlines carry about 800
million passangers a year, total.  (Obviously many of these are repeat
customers, but that's irrelevant here.)  The death toll from accidents
fluctuates, but is usually a few hundred per year, sometimes up to
1000 in a really bad year.  This suggests that your risk of being
killed in any one flight is about 1 in a million.  These are pretty
good odds.

In contrast, in the USA, about 500,000 people each year are killed
in car accidents, out of a population of about 250 million.  That
suggest that in the USA your risk of being killed in a car accident
is about 1 in 500 per year.  We conclude that in your upcoming trip
to Barcelona, by far the most dangerous parts of the trip are the
drives to/from the airports -- the flying is the *safe* part.

[Yes, I know, most people in the USA drive more often than they fly,
which skews the odds considerably.  But the conclusion is still valid
even with a more careful calculation.]

- Jonathan Thornburg
  <jonathan@einstein.ph.utexas.edu> or <jonathan@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu>
  University of Texas at Austin / Physics Dept / Center for Relativity
  and (for a few more months) U of British Columbia / {Astronomy,Physics}
From: saarinen@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sirpa Saarinen)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: currency exchange
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:52:59 GMT
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development

mchamberland@violet.uwaterloo.ca (Marc Chamberland) writes:

>I will be travelling to London next week (from Canada). Where
>is the best place for me to buy British pounds? Should I exchange
>in Canada, in London, in an airport? Should I exchange to 
>American bucks first?

>Marc

Some hints (if money is dear to you):

1. Don't first change to USD (very low now, and then you would pay double
   commission to the bank) i.e. do always a direct exchange if possible
2. Don't buy at the airports - these can give you any rate and charge 
   a large commission
3. I suggest that you change at least *some* money in Canada since you might
   need it for transportation in London (ask for small bills - the bus/
   subway would not accept large bills). 
4. I would exchange at a bank (this is of course possible in Europe but not
   often in North America) where I am a customer myself - sometimes
   you save a little bit on the commission.
5. BTW some (not all) credit cards give a *very* good exchange rate so it 
   might make sense to use it for large purchases instead of *real* cash
   (large purchase <=> when paying for hotel etc.).

have a good trip,
Sirpa Saarinen
saarinen@csrd.uiuc.edu
From: pike@spot.Colorado.EDU (PIKE GREGORY F)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: WANTED: CHICAGO ===> DENVER for mid-August
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:18:26 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

I need an airline ticket from Chicago to Denver sometime in mid-August.
Please respond via e-mail to stoltz@spot.colorado.edu.

Thanks
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From: nnkota@icaen.uiowa.edu (Narendra Nath Kota)
Subject: Need info of airlines case settlement
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:17:22 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

Hello 
  
	I remember reading an article in some newspaper about 2-3 weeks ago, that
about  4-6 major airlines such as United, TWA and others, came with an agreement (in reference to a suit
 filed against these airlines by some consumer group for some reason, not sure exactly for what).

	If I remember it right, it says that these airlines together came with a deal of
about 400 ? million dollars worth of refund to some extent of the fare in the 
form of coupons for anyone who flew by these, during the period June '88 - May '91.

    I don't remember where I read (could be in USA Today). Does anyone have more info?
If so, can you e-mail me? (nnkota@icaen.uiowa.edu or naren@icaen.uiowa.edu)

    Thanks.

Narendra N Kota
(319)339-1150.
                   





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From: pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos)
Subject: Re: TWA
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:37:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.010615.29168@news.eng.convex.com> datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes:
>>   NW: Northwest.  Somehow I can't imagine BA being interested
>>       in an airline that flies to such picturesque cities
>>       as DET and MSP.  The two cities just don't have the customer
>>       base now, nor do they have people interested in flying to
>>       London.
>
>Why, then, do they have a flight from Detroit to London?  I'm booked on one.

Good point.  And remember that there was a significant squirmish between NW
and DL for the Detroit-London route.

Or are USAir hubs any more picturesque than MSP and DET?  Pittsburgh sure is
nice!  Not to mention the huge number of flyers between Charlotte and London.

My point here is: the U.S.-side hubs don't matter that much.  They are to be
used mostly for connection purposes to other cities.  For that purpose,
Bangor (Maine) or Ithaca (New York) would do just fine if the airports were
big enough to accomodate the volume of passengers and flights.  BA is not
trying to reach cities that have a high volume of traffic to London because
they already serve those directly anyway.
From: asbun@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Eduardo Asbun)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: COUPON for FREE!
Keywords: Continental, airfares, Mexico
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:13:43 GMT
Distribution: US
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I won't use it anyway...  (hope I could!) 

Save 20% on any publised adult fare to any destination in MEXICO.

Carrier is CONTINENTAL. Travel must be completed no later than Aug 31, 92.

If you are interest and WILL use it, e-mail me...

Regards, Ed 
--
Eduardo Asbun                       |    Purdue University 
School of Electrical Engineering    |    West Lafayette, IN
From: pstinson@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Revive the Lokheed 1649 Starliner?
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:11:00 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

On most domestic flights is what we want reliable, ontime service that does not
cost a fortune for the airfare?  If this is the case, do we really care if we
are flying a jet airliner such as the 727, 737 or even 757?

Jets are expensive to operate.  This is one of the biggest reason behind the
current mess in the air carrier industry.

What if Lockheed or somebody could reintroduce the model 1649 Starliner?
This was the last of the famed Constellation series to go into production in
the late 1950's or early 60's.  It lost out to the novelty of jet transports. 

If a new Starliner (I wouldn't want to ride a 40-year-old relic) could be made
available, I would ride it.  I believe maintenance costs would be less than for
the comparable jet airliner and perhaps the airlines could offer low air fares
that were not gimmics eventually leading to higher prices and fewer airlines.

Let's go back to the future and back to the Connie!
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From: pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss)
Subject: Re: Aero Flot Travel
Summary: it does have 3 classes 
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:29:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.050836.17405@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>kells@iis.ethz.ch (Kevin Kells) wrote: 
>->2. Seating was first-come, first-served even though I had a seat assignment.
>->There was only one "class" on all the flights (relic of the communist era?). 
>
>the brochures
>claimed that a first class (which had some gimmick name--bourgeois
>class :>) was available out of new york.

I'd expect the above duscussion to go to rec.humour.polit or whatever else.

If you're posting a guess instead of information, please point out that it
was a guess!

Sure, there're classes in Aeroflot, and they allways existed. They are 3:
1st, business and economy. Sure again, seats are assigned, though they may
have some bumping mess.

It's a cheap line and it looks like a cheap line should look. But please
don't think out fairy tales about it :)

BTW, I flyed both Aeroflot and Panam, and got much greater mess with the
latter, may it get a rest in its grave.

	D
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From: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Subject: Re: Cheap fare from SFO --> LA r/t
Reply-To: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 06:09:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.212122.2168@athena.mit.edu>, cheeky@athena.mit.edu
(Cheekiang Lim) writes:
> Anyone can suggest any cheap airline to fly between those two
somewhere during
> the 3rd week of August ? Are there any shuttle flights between them ?
Also, will
> it be cheaper to fly from say Oakland instead ? I was told that
Southwest will be
> a good deal, but how reliable are they, esp when they are likely to go
bankrupt
> anytime now ? Also, anyone has any idea of the r/t fare via bus and/or rail
> 
> cheeky@athena.mit.edu

Southwest goes bankrupt?  Probably not in the near
future.  They made money 19 out of their 20 years history.  

They have among the cheapest flights between the Bay Area
and LAX.   Sometimes they have 2-for-1 fares where two 
people fly for the price of one.

You must be confused Southwest with America West which is
in Chapter 11.
  
======================================================================
Michael E. Yip
Digital Equipment Corporation	Internet: yip@wsl.enet.dec.com
Western Software Laboratory	UUCP: ...decwrl!wsl.enet.dec.com!yip
======================================================================
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: info requested on Garuda Indonesia Airlines
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:33:32 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

garuda indonesia used to have a scary reputation a few years ago, but
has apparently (by my sources) approached the level of service you've
come to expect from southern asian airlines.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Organization: Office of Planning & Budget, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:14:47 -0400 
From: Karin Berger <kb42+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: ticket Pitt=>San Francisco

Sell one way ticket:

American Airlines
Pittsburgh to San Francisco via Dallas
for a female
24.August (can be changed for $25)

I paid $250, please make me an offer.

Karin

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From: charles@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Charles Loader)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:01:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.043150.19572@pony.Ingres.COM> reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:
>In article <92204.175127ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET> ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET (Bliss B. Siman) writes:
>>Can anyone help me. I am a fearful flyer and just discovered I am flying to
>>Barcelona on Friday on a 767 which has only two engines. I didn't realize it is
>>smaller than the 747 either. Isn't it unsafe to fly only two engines across the
>>Atlantic. I thought these had been banned. Any help would be appreciated.
>
>The 767  is one of  the safest  airplanes  in the  sky.   True,  it is
>smaller than a 747, but it is still a rather large  plane.  It has two
>aisles, and a 2-3-2 configuration on most airlines.  I would not worry
>about it's having only two  engines.  The FAA has strict certification
>rules which the 767 has passed.  Among other things, the airplane must
>be able to complete  rotation and take off  with  one engine out.  
>
>Don't worry about it,
>				reb
>

The 767 is the only aircraft that is available direct from
St. John's - London Heathrow (4.5 h flight).

In terms of comfort it is not too bad - though economy class seems to have
become more cramped of late.  I think Air Canada may have squeezed more
seats in.

I would prefer more that two engines!  I have heard of cases where the
plane has returned to departure point due to the loss of an engine.  I
doubt if the first plane that has two engines fail will make back --
still aircraft float for a long time don't they?

Charles
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From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: Little Planes
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:53:05 GMT

In article <BrwwLr.Gw2@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hoff@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Wildfire) writes:
>I'm traveling from Champaign to Chicago (dunno the airport codes, but it's
>Willard at the U of Illinois to O'Hare).  The flight just happens to be
>on one of those little dinky "Express" planes.  I've never had any trouble
>flying before, and I've done quite a bit of it, but I've also never been
>on a small plane run by propellers.  Needless to say, I'm a bit nervous.
>(If I had known I would be flying on a fifteen seater, I probably would've
>just taken the bus ;)  I can't really change the flight because 1. It's in
>a week, and 2. I'm on my way to Seattle and I'm meeting my family in 
>Chicago before continuing on with them (so I can't try all those neat 
>"bump" tricks 'n stuff :)  Does anyone have any stories/crash facts
>to calm my (surely irrational) fears?

I was on a United Express flight (which is not a bad flight...but never 
do Northwest JFK-Boston...its no bigger than a model plane) from Chicago
to Champaign.  It was a clear beautiful day.  We were coming in for a 
landing.  It was as though the pilot saw the runway and bet the co-pilot
he could land the plane without pulling up until the last second.  We
nosedived to the runway.  And then, what seemed like a few feet off the
ground, he straightened up and landed.  

Hope that helps.

--Ken

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