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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Ritual Help For a Sick Friend
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:40:06 GMT

>In article <1992Oct15.152553.7728@panix.com>
>jimoates@panix.com (Jim Oates) writes:
>>
>>                                   (deleted)
>>Here is my request:  Is there a simple protection or ritual
>>anyone can recommend concerning health and relief of pain?
>>                                  (deleted)
>>I really would like to help him, in a "spiritual" way, which
>>is the only way left to help.
>>
>>Any comments or suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Blessings to all,
>>Jim

How do you help him spiritually?

Talk to him.  Find out what he's feeling.  Ask him how he's doing.  Let
him relax and talk about his cancer, whatever comes to mind.  Give him a
shoulder if he needs it.  No herbs, no candles, no spells.  Just give
him your time, and time to be what he is -- a person with cancer who
probably needs someone he can be scared with without shame.  Put the
candles away and take out your heart and offer it to him, directly. 

This is slightly off topic, but since so many requests for spells to
deal with people have been here, I feel like getting this off my chest.
First, I am not saying anything bad about anyone in particular; I think
I'm just having people's requests bring this to mind.

I'm afraid people are using spells as a way to handle problems they have
with other people without actually confronting the other person
involved.  It seems like spells can be abused this way -- they can be
used as a means of avoiding TALKING to the person who's causing you
trouble, or TALKING to the person who's in trouble while you still convince
yourself you're doing something.

Again, I realize that the people who've recently posted are not in this
category.  Someone who will spray paint your car is not going to respond
to an attempt at bridging the gap, and someone like yourself who is very
close to someone with a nasty disease already knows them.  Nonetheless,
I see a real potential for using spells as an excuse to run away from
the problem and avoid talking to people.  After all, it's easier to
take out herbs and candles than to interact with people.  

Just a thort,
Janis
From: usr77@pil.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Female circumcision    was Re: Ceremony Suggestions
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 01:17:12 PDT

Re: Re: Ceremony Suggestions?
By: cortese #0 @skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) USEnet      

Thought it was time to rename this thread.

Found out about this back in '74 when a former girl friend was taking a block
of Woman's Studies courses. I thought the idea of physically mutilating a
woman at great physical risk in order to make sexual pleasure impossible for
her in order to make control by males easier both barbaric and disgusting,
and would be so regardless of which culture / ethnic group practices this.

I still think so. Anyone want to try flaming me for it? 

Jack Campari... I'm waiting...

Blessings to all... except Jack.

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From: dlg1@quads.uchicago.edu (deborah lynn gillaspie)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Back Files of Pagan Publications
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:38:52 GMT
Reply-To: dlg1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

This is  a terrific idea! I can tell you from my experience as a reference
librarian, and from my own research, that this is an extremely diffuse
and difficult literature with which to work. The alternative press indexes
aren't comprehensive enough, and don't come out often enough. It would be
terrific if we could get it indexed, but the people at Religion Index seem
to be swamped and low on funds right now. They do try to keep up with the
more main-line stuff (try the print or online versions) but the 'zines fall
completely through the cracks.

Pagan research funny story: A patron came to me complaining that something
was wrong with the Magazine index CD-Rom. It had the unmistakable signs of
having had an "endless" search query typed in -- it was grinding away, but
nothing was happening, and had been doing so for 10 minutes or so. Turns out
the patron had put in the search "new and age," which instructs the system
to find the co-occurence of those two terms in any order and at any distance
from each other in the same document... can you imagine how much stuff there
was?? Most of which was NOT relevant?? <g> Once we shut the machine off and
re-booted it, and talked a little about what EXACTLY she was looking for,
we managed to find some articles on goddess religions for the paper she
was writing... <g> Lucky she got ME on the desk to help her with the search!
Otherwise it might have taken a lot longer to find what she wanted, since
the index terms for research in our areas isn't the LEAST bit settled.

--Debbie

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From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Bewitched returns! (shudder)
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:35:55 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
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pcxsws@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (S.Ward-Smith) writes:
>Hmm, an interesting idea, have witches ever been portrayed
>well on TV?
>The only programmes beside Bewitched I can think of are
>Lizzy Dripping and Simon and the Witch, both kids
>comedy series. Hardly a positive image, but not
>incredibly offensive.

	Well, its not exactly "witches as they are", but there was a halfway
decent show titled "Mr. Merlin" (with Bernard Hughes?) that I found quite
interesting.  I don't recall it well enough to remember if it was merely
"magickal" or whether it covered any religious aspects.
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From: clubzen.fidonet.org!shakala!melchar
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 11:37:31 PDT
Organization: Shakala - (Clan Zen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 1-408-734-2289

arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes:

> In article <1992Oct13.172011.8775@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (mar
> >Oh! Woad is me!
> 
> Is it me, or is everybody cracking the one-liners nowadays?
> 
> Big Al.  Who never writes anything funny.

    No, it requires an official 'pun license' to crack one-liners here.  
After all, you can't joke without a license ('use a pun, go to prison').

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From: lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: Fighting to survive (was Re: Only Witches Reincarnated?)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:31:00 GMT

In article <26718@castle.ed.ac.uk>, loki@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko) writes...
>In article <PZc0RB1w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us > wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman) writes:
> >You know, this reminds me of Gurdjieffs teaching that there is no 
> >immortal soul, only the possibility of an immortal soul which can be 
> >developed through esoteric work. What Kelly says sounds a lot like a 
> >paraphrasing of Gurdjieff, which is of course possible given the time 
> >line.
> >
> >I think it has some interesting possibilities as a facet of a pagan 
> >philosophy of death. Seems a little self-aggrandizing, though, doesn't 
> >it? 
> 
>	This clicks in with an idea I had that survival of death is NOT
>automatic, it depends on development and strengthening of the personality,
>through, for example, hardship, meditation, mental or physcal efforts, etc.
>It would seem to follow that those who have an easy life, and don't try to
>extend their potential, would not survive.
> 
>	Counterexample might be evidence of survival of a small child
>(but maybe children have a dispensation till say puberty?)
> 
>	

Please forgive me for commenting on a thread which I haven't followed.
I just want to put my $.02 worth in.

(IMHO) Everyone reincarnates.  You don't have to believe in it.  It
will happen whether you want to or not.  It is like the leaf of a
tree.  It does not have to believe in photosynthesis to turn green.
It just does. 

The comments above remind me so much of what I was taught as a child
in the Xtian church.  Take away the words like Christian and substitute
words like Pagan and you have the same message.

I'm not trying to flame anybody and I don't really want to get
anyone upset.  It just struck me that way.

Blessed Be,
Tammy
From: ceci@lysator.liu.se (Cecilia Henningsson)
Subject: Re: Binding or Protective Spells
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:52:20 GMT

PA142138@utkvm1.utk.edu (Nancy Proctor) writes:

>A very dear friend of mine is being harassed by a co-worker.  The harassment
>has gone to the point of vandalism and property damage.  I did a binding spell
>to render the harasser powerless to harm my friend and was really surprised
>(and a little pissed off) when my friend's car was spray painted only one
>week later.
>Have any of you had experience with this sort of thing?
>Do you have any suggestions?  Would a protection spell be more likely to have

How about some kind of regular reaffirming? It could be done either by
you or your friend or both of you jointly or seperately. For instance,
your friend could mention the spell in some kind of daily prayer or
affirmation. Or you could come together once a week and repeat the
spell or an abridged or stylised version of it.

This would make the spell more vivid in your minds, thus
strenghthening it.

I have no idea about what (if anything tangible) the conflict is, but
may I suggest that you try a non-confronting strategy, if it turns out
that your strong spells don't work? This might be rubbing it in, but
could it be that your spell didn't work because deep down the conflict
isn't really as crystal clear as it seems? How about a spell which
causes the offender to seek help for the problems she evidently has?

No offense intended.

--Ceci



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From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists...
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:42:49 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.


  ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley Sebastian Kaos) writes:

 and  jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes...

(A> = Ashley, J> = Jack)

A> Lisa Gerrard [of "Dead Can Dance"] is a lot like Elizabeth Frasier in that
A> she also will sing in other languages (Pictish, Irish Gaelic, Welsh and
A> some of her own inventing).
 
J> only one Pictish word has been identified: "pit", 

A> Methinks I may be wrong. The native language of the Scottish
A> highlands and the Orkneys is...? 

English, nowadays

( ducks, avoids howls of abuse)

Well OK, Scots Gaelic

A> I'd been told it was pictish. 

Nope. Pictish was probably spoken on the East Coast (Fife,
Aberdeenshire).

Scots Gaelic is the West Coast, Highlands (basically, the middle) and
most Islands - Lewis&Harris, Skye, N&S Uist and all the little ones
;-)

The version of Scots Gaelic in the Orkneys is somewhat influenced by Norse.

I have had the languages described to me in terms of concentric rings.
Perhaps someone who knows more (Jack?) could comment? Is this accurate?

The outer ring covers an arc, anticlockwise, through Shetland, Orkney,
NW Scotland, the Hebrides, Eire and to the Pyrrenees. These people
have a common, harder language.

The middle ring, concentric with the outer, covers Wales, Cornwall,
Brittainy and I believe the Isle of Man as well. These all speak/spoke
a similar, softer language.

The outer and middle ring are both Celtic languages.

The inner ring covers Lowland Scots, Northumbria, and Geordieland ;-)
and is not Celtic

When it was described to me, the implication was that the older
languages were to the outside and has been pushed out to the 'edges'
with each new culture.

As I said, I make no claims for this theory, just that it was told to
me and seems interesting.

-----

Does anyone know the current status of the theory that the Basque
language in the Pyrrenees is a) a development of CroMagnon (!) and b)
is the language of some Wiccan chants such as the 'Eko Eko Arazac'
one?

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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:42:13 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Oct15.180619.13221@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>In article <Bw56Jx.BHr@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct14.180152.21740@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>>>
>>>But if we keep this up, will the rest here start practicing Woadun on us?
>>>BB (while running for cover)
>>
>>Tell me something. Woadya do with a drunken sailor?

To hell with all of you damned punsters.  AND the horse you woad in on!

Uh . . . blessings,
Janis 
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:56:23 GMT

In article <-1366945850snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au> gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
>
>That place white people used to call Ayres Rock, which the Aboriginal
>people call Uluru. Nobody calls it Ayres Rock any more.
>
>That place is *ULURU*.
>
>Gil

Why, when I read your last line, do I get a sense that Uluru is more than
merely a name. The way you've phrased it, it sounds as much like a descriptive
adjective as anything. As if to say "That place is really uluru, man." Is
it an aboriginal adjective? Is it a description of a power that the native
Australians associate with the place? That line just jumped out at me.

Bb,

Corun



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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: smmcafee@mtu.edu (Sean McAfee)
Subject: Re: "Are you ready for the Rapture?"
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:30:04 GMT
X-Posted-From: pace1.cts.mtu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Oct9.193106.17138@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.125901.29278@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct6.222528.14536@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> 
>> boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
>@ Local telephone poles and such have been plastered of late with signs
>@ with a big red cross, reading:
>@ 	Are you ready for the rapture?
>@ 	Jesus is coming
>@ 	October 28, 1992

>>This is an un-biblical notion (see Matt 24:36 "No one knows about that 
>>day or hour...")

>	Try telling that to those who claimed to have worked out the
>actual date some time, and see what response you get.

The local cable company here in Houghton offers Trinity Broadcasting Network
as part of its basic cable package (joy).  Every now and then I flip over to
see what they're up to.  Most of the time what I see is either amusing or
sickening, but a few days ago I saw something that just took the cake.

It was a short segment about the Rapture.  They were interviewing somebody
who was an expert in Scripture, in his own office.  He was on the right side
of the screen, and on the left side there was a television inclined so that
its screen was visible to the camera.  On the television was an episode of
"Tiny Toon Adventures"!  I shit you not.  I thought "Are they trying to send
some kind of subliminal message, or are they REALLY that unprofessional?"  I
really didn't know what to make of it, but then I remembered how the theme
song starts:

	"We're tiny, we're toony, *we're all a little loony*..."
	(emphasis added)

...And then it made sense.

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From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Eye color (was, Re: Birth data, etc...)
Date: 16 Oct 1992 15:44:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
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In a previous article, jclannom@mathlab.mtu.edu (Joe Lannom) says:
>
>regarding eye color, mine are Blue to Green depending on something I  
>have no clue about.  They just seem to change on their own...

My eyes change too.  Normally my eyes are blue, but sometimes they 
turn gray (sort of a blueish silver).  When I was a child, with 
platinum blonde hair, my eyes were a deep saphire (sp?) blue.  As 
I get older my eyes are turning lighter and my hair is getting 
darker.  Anyway...

*Paul
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: djd0873@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (p r u n e)
Subject: Re: "Are you ready for the Rapture?"
Reply-To: djd0873@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:14:50 GMT

In article <DH6DsB5w165w@eagles.uucp>, thomas@eagles.uucp (Thomas Hoffman)
writes:
>hey, i've heard of the sub-genius. how does one get info. on the organization?
>well met and wassail
>Thomas of House Hoffman

	ORGANIZATION!?  Yikes!  SubGeniuses ain't joiners, but I'll accept the
paradox.  Besides, it's fun! ;)

	Well, there's the newsgroup alt.slack, but chances are you'll be
immediately flamed by some elitist "bobbie" (trendoid fake subgenius) when
asking for a FAQ or info for people unfamiliar with the subgenius mythos.  Best
bet is to send $1 to the originators of the whole thang:
		The SubGenius Foundation (or, "Bob")
		PO Box 140306
		Dallas, TX 75214

	Also, many larger bookstores carry the Book of the SubGenius (Second
Edition, published by Simon & Schuster, 1987) for, I believe, $12.95 plus tax.
It's a good starting place for the latent son/daughter of the Yeti.
	There's also a SubGenius database on quartz.rutgers.edu under
pub/subgenius.
	For more fun, try soc.culture.kibology, featuring James "Kibo" Parry, a
writer who got the joke and started his own religion.  Perhaps Kibo can explain
his thing to y'all, knowing that he greps a vast number of newsgroups for
instances of "Kibo" and is probably reading this.  (Hi Kibo!)
	There's also the closely related Discordian mythos, detailed in the
Principia Discordia (Published by Loompanics Press) and various other books,
and discussed in the newsgroup alt.discordia.
	Just one more plug for a SubGenius related group:
		The Mutant League
		PO Box 601
		Webster, NY 14580-0601
	Thus ends my sourcelist of various postmodern kook-fun religions.
Enjoy!  YIYIYIYIYIYIYIYIYIYIYIYIYIY....


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From: shrdlu@willow.sdd.trw.com (Lynda L. True)
Subject: Re: Searching for a Path
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 21:54:01 GMT

In article <Bw49ps.4H3@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun
  MacAnndra) writes: 
>In article <yw8LsB1w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us> kitten@brewich.hou.tx.us
   (Kitten) writes: 
>>Hello to all. I am hoping that someone can help me by helping me define
>>the Path of Druidism. [deleted]

>Well, nobody *really* knows what the Druidic tradition was, since it was
>passed down orally, and not written. There are, however, several books on
>what the given authors believe might have been the tradition. I haven't
>read any of them, so I can't vouch for their integrity. Logic would seem
>to indicate that choosing authors/books from Ireland/England/Wales/Scotland
>would tend to be the most accurate. But this is only a guess.

Just an added note: Morgan Llewyllyn (sp) has recently published a
book (fiction) names "Druids" which tells the tale of Vercingetorix
and his chief druid from child hood until Vercingetorix' death at
Julius Caesar's hands. Most of her research is from Gaius Julius'
notes, and from other visiting romans of the time. There is certainly
a great deal of poetic liscense taken, but the book itself is
remarkable, and deals with such things as rituals and beliefs of the
druids in a very respectable and believable manner. (Yes, Corun, she
is indeed Welsh - or is it Irish?)

Lynda
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