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From: iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Dreamland
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:00:30 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

In <1992Sep25.191554.16526@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric J. Lorenzo) writes:

>I just finished 'Dreamland,' by Garfield Reeves-Stevens and was amazed with it.
>I must admit the only reason I picked the book off the shelf was because of a
>quote on the cover by Stephen King saying 'The Tom Clancy of horror.'  Though
>a quote out of King is not hard to get, it is very fitting to Reeves-Stevens.
>The story takes place in a brand new Disney World type place called Dreamland.
>Reeves-Stevens goes into some really interesting detail about behind-the-scenes
>info about a huge amusement park.  This alone makes, the book interesting, but
>he does a great job of building the climax to the very end, and even though 
>you've read 400+ pages by then, the ending is nothing you'd have expected.  And
>the book also ends at exactly the right place, unlike some of King's work.

>I'm a great King fan, but am completely impressed by Reeves-Stevens.  I would 
>suggest to everyone to give it a try and don't let the silly cover(it's in
>paperback) throw you off from the quality of the story.

>Now, I'm interested in the thoughts of people who read this novel and if they
>found it as entertaining as I did.  Also, is his first novel, 'Bloodshift', 
>equally as good?  It's a vampire novel, and not being a big vampire fan, was
>wondering if it is your 'typical' vampire novel. Any thoughts, comments or
>suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>-Eric

Interseting.  The King quote must have been appended to a later
printing.

Well, if it is anything to go on, and I'm not sure it is, I much
preferred BLOODSHIFT to DREAM LAND.  DREAM LAND was not bad but I
never found myself too drawn into the story.  Perhaps it was the
shameless self-promotion of referring to BLOODSHIFT as an RPG in DREAM
LAND.

Anyway, BLODSHIFT, is not bad at all.  It is billed as a unique mixing
of the genres of horror and thriller.  Even way back in 1981 that is a
bit of a tenuous claim - oh well, publishers! :-).  Anyway, it does
give attention to genre mixing which I almost always like.  So if you
are not a fan of vampire-horror, then you can always read it as a
novel of trans-national, trans-historical intrigue. 

Interestingly, the 1988 printing I have claims it will be made into a
movie entitled PHEONIX: THE FINAL CURE.  I never heard anything of
that but it may have escaped me.  The book also promises a follow-up
novel entitled DARKTOWN.  Again I have never seen it turn up anywhere.
Who knows, perhaps he and his wife Judith are too busy writing Star
Trek novels.

Ian
From: rjking@acsu.buffalo.edu (Randall J. King)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: anthologies anyone?
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:32:41 GMT
Organization: UB

Here's a new one for all you anthology readers out there.  Does anyone
have a list ( or suggestions) of (for) any good horror/SF collections?

Randall King                rjking@acsu.buffalo.edu		<-Unix
University of Buffalo       v050qrq3@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu	<-VAX-Personal
Buffalo, NY      	    acscrjk@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu	<-VAX-Work
**           All opinions are my own, unless otherwise stated               **
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Chilly Billy
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:44:09 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct5.160305.15381@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James S Brown) writes:
>Speaking of NOTLD being close to you, wasn't it weird, if you grew up near 
>Pittsburgh (as I did) and first saw the film on TV, to see them flashing the 
>names of all the towns in the area on the screen in newscast fashion?  That was
>the most disturbing part for me (because hey, if it happens on TV it must be 
>true, right?)
>Jim Brown [jbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu]


Oh, yes! I live right here in Pittsburgh and that newscast scene was some
spooky stuff (at least the first time around)! I kept looking out my windows
for zombies...
		Laurel

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                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
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From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Creepshow comic
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:26:26 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Does anyone know where I can get the Creepshow comic book or can someone give
me an address to write to and order it? I expect it to be expensive, but the
amount I can pay does have a limit, so if you know it is very extremely
expensive, let me know that too ahead of time! Thanks in advance!!!!
				Laurel


__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________
From: garrett@cs.rochester.edu (Bill Garrett)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Clive Barker's Imajica
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:50:11 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester


Given the current thread about the availability of Imajica in paperback,
I thought I'd mention that Borders (an excellent chain of large book stores)
has remaindered the 1st edition hardcovers of Imajica at $4.95 (which is
cheaper then the paperback price).  So if theres a Borders near you...


On another note I'm new to alt.horror is there an archive kept out there
of old messages?  What is everyone's general opinion of Clive Barker know
that he has about totally abandoned horror for fantasy (do people agree
with me that he has done this?)  I personally like him a great deal.

 -Bill
 
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Newsgroups: alt.horror,alt.vampyres
From: ueh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Eric Hausgaard)
Subject: Re: Werewolves...
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 23:13:23 GMT

In article <fletch.717301574@camelot> fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:
>
>	Is there a group for those interested in lycanthropy?  I mean, if
>alt.vampyres exists, isn't it only fair?
Yeah, Try alt.wolves :)
LLAP

>
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From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Clive Barker's Imajica
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:27:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct1.235011.188@cs.rochester.edu> garrett@cs.rochester.edu (Bill Garrett) writes:
>
>On another note I'm new to alt.horror is there an archive kept out there
>of old messages?  What is everyone's general opinion of Clive Barker know
>that he has about totally abandoned horror for fantasy (do people agree
>with me that he has done this?)  I personally like him a great deal.
>
> -Bill


Bill, do you see the line up there that says the article number? That number
is (I think) giving you the number of articles that were on alt.horror before
the present message (over the whole time of alt.horror's existence). I guess
if you hit 1 (or whatever message number) at the place where it says "end of
article ( ) what next? n,y,q" (or something to that extent), you will get that
message (article) on your screen. The only reason why you have a limited
amount of articles listed on your actual system is because they get deleted as
time passes. For example, if you have 200 messages on alt.horror and you don't
read them for a while, after a certain date passes some messages will be
deleted from your file of alt.horror (but not from the actual newsgroup).
There were a few conversations on here about defining horror and one of the
points was that you can't really encapsulate it into a specific thing. I think
you could apply this to the question you are asking about Barker. Is his
labeled 'fantasy' writing really an abandonment of all possible concepts
and/or constructions of horror? I guess the answer to this depends upon how
one sees/defines horror (if you take a standpoint where horror _is_ something
specific and _is not_ something else:).

				Laurel
 
__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________
From: TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu (Sime)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Chilly Billy
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:51:25 GMT
 <8enR7ga00WCZ42pV9G@andrew.cmu.edu> <92277.144919TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <6786@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
Organization: Penn State University

Irwin! I didn't know it was that close to me! I'm from Greensburg.
Huh, I coulda swored it was in Florida...
Thanx.

-Sime
                                                      Go Pirates!
The poison of love so pure it's deceiving,            Go Pens!
And deceit is all we have it's got to be over         Go Steelers!
It's dangerous this game we play you're
Killing me with words                            (guess where I'm from)
          -Queensryche
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:17:29 EDT
From: Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: More Rob McCammon questions..

    Well, I finally got to a bookstore and saw Rob's new book "Gone South", and
 I was wondering if it was worth the money to pick it up in hardback? I really
 liked "Boy's Life" and am eager to read another McCammon novel of the same
 "magic", so to speak. If you could please fill me in (without *spoilers* ) I
 would greatly appreciate it. Thank you..

                                     -Ed

   ====================================================================
               Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - EMW107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
              Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
       "You're just a petty bureaucrat with a gun." -- Indiana Jones
   ====================================================================
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Horror comics
Date: 27 Sep 1992 11:58:21 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


>    While we're chatting about horror comics, anyone else a Bernie
> Wrightson fan?  His Collection "The Reaper of Love and Other Stories"
> is a wonderful introduction to the man's work.  If you're a fan of
> the E.C. comics of the 50's, you would do well to check it out.

Well, can anyone TRULY be a horror comics fan without at least a tip of
the hat to Wrightson?

If you like the man's work, I recently saw in  a comics shop a book of
his work.  For about $30-40, you get a MASSIVE paperback volume.. a whole
lot of big-sized pages, full of all kinds of wonderful examples of his
work in b&w and color, including comics, paintings, illustrations, and
what-not.  Very nice, wish I could afford it right now.  The price does
seem worth it for what you get; I mean, this is what you call an OVERSIZED
trade paperback.
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: alt.wolves
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:21:03 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I tried to post a response to someone else's response about a werewolves
newsgroup, but it didn't work because the person responding first had posted
from a newsgroup we don't have (I think). Anyway, the person asked about a
newsgroup about werewolves and the first response was to try alt.wolves. I
have tried alt.wolves and it seems to basically be about wolves as pets and
the nature of wolves etc. I don't remember reading anything on there about
_were_wolves though (I haven't read alt.wolves for a while so maybe it changed
a little recently):)!
			Laurel


__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________
From: iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Dreamland
Date: 30 Sep 92 05:01:52 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

In <1992Sep29.123207.9509@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:

>Ian Roderick writes some fascinating stuff, but lapses
>briefly into alphabet soup:

Hey, thanks, I'm flattered.  Into each life a little alphabet soup
must fall?  Still no excuse.

>>... Perhaps it was the shameless self-promotion of referring
>>to BLOODSHIFT as an RPG in DREAM LAND.

>A roughly processed goat?  A rude preternatural gizmo?

>Sorry--you lost me there.

RPG = role playing game
Sorry, I've seen this used so often in other groups I must have
thought it was being bandied about here.  Anyway, in the beginning of
DREAM LAND, Reeves-Stevens goes to great effort to make sure the
reader knows that the game they are playing is BLOOD SHIFT

"'There are five portable terminals in design and they go home every
night.  We've had a Blood Shift tournament going on for over a month
and you're telling me that the security program just *now* picked up
that there was unauthorized access?'" <p. 87>

"Bloodshift was a computer-generated adventure game based on a popular
novel about vampires.  Nobody was quite certain how the game program
had appeared in the DreamNet system, but Dr. Terror, suspiciously, did
not join in such speculations.  Players took the part of the hero of
the story and read descriptive passages displayed on the terminal
screens.  As the game was played, decision points were reached and the
players had to type instructions telling the hero what to do next.
The action took place in a castlelike building in which were hidden
the hero's girlfriend, an eight-hundred-year-old vampire, dozens of
other monsters, maniacal priests, and extravagantly armed government
agents.  The object of the game was to rescue the girlfriend without
being caught, killed, or turned into a vampire.  In multiplayer
tournaments, additional players took the parts of the other
characters.  Games had been known to go on for days.  Some of the more
excitable members of the planning Office staff had once even played a
live version of the game in the Park's infrastructure before the
perimeter security system had been installed.  Two plumbers working
night shift had caused a stink with the union after they had been
chased through the tunnels by a masked designer carrying a crossbow
and by a normally sedate receptionist wearing fangs and a cape." <p.
88>

Well, I suppose it it ironic given that it is about a theme park and
theme parks are largely pre-occupied with merchandising.  And I should
also be greatful that it is set in the great white north.  I really
should watch Forever Knight to see if it is Toronto as Toronto or
Toronto as generic American city.

Ian
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: 35007_321@uwovax.uwo.ca (Gord Nickerson)
Subject: Re: HyperRez ftp location
Organization: SLIS
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:38:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.234332.11237@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, ann@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV (Ann Farny) writes:
> I recently read on the newsgroup that HyperRez for
> DOS/Windows was available via ftp 

ann, it is at hydra.uwo.ca in the libsoft directory as...

$ cd libsoft                                                 
$ grep index.txt hyperrez                                    
HYPERREZ.EXE    Neil Larson's hypertext construction program.

gord

Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: chungkuo@ais.org (Shawn FitzGerald)
Subject: Re: Hypertext and Reading Theory
Organization: UMCC
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:56:03 GMT

You would want to check Eastgate Systems list of published hypertexts. Most,
if not all, of these are original works by some who have been in the field
for quite some time. I do not have the address on hand now, but mail me and
I'm sure I can find it.

You might also want to find a copy of Perforations number three,
spring/summer 1992. It is Atlanta based mag, and that issue was devoted
almost entirely to hypertext. There are three original hypetext documents as
well as many papers written by current theorists. The hypertexts included
are Dreamtime, by Stuart Moulthrop (HyperCard, actualy an exerpt from his
continuing work called Chaos), Wasting Time by Judy Malloy (IBM-compatible
narabase) and Yetstillmore by Shawn FitzGerald (Storyspace).

The address for the publisher of Perforations is:

Public Domain
PO Box 8899
Atlanta GA  30306-0899
Voice: (404) 612-7529
INternet: pdomain@unix.cc.emory.edu


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Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: astrashe@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alex Strasheim)
Subject: Looking for DDJ Hypertext version.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 22:09:34 GMT


In the June 1990 edition of Dr. Dobb's Journal, an article by J. Scott
Johnson (p. 16) describes work the author did to translate the September,
1989 issue of DDJ into a hypertext format.  In the article, reference is
made to two versions, one small and the other large (in terms of disk
space).  Does anyone know the names of these files so that I could search
for them with Archie?  Or does anyone know where they are available via
FTP?

I am interested in learning about Hypertext publishing, and would be
grateful for any information on good hypertext editors for msdos and any
well done hypertext documents I could study. 

If anyone wants to send me email, the best address to reach me at is
astrash@crcnve.unl.edu.  Thank you.


Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: dinsmm@vccsouth18.its.rpi.edu (Michael Dinsmore)
Subject: Picture format: .DIB on ToolBook?
Summary: .DIB
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:13:12 GMT

Greetings.


I am looking for information/programs on how to
convert a picture (GIF, Targa, PCX, PCT, TIF,
or any other common format) to Asymetric's
ToolBook .DIB (device independent bitmap).  This
was supposed to be a microsoft standard...However
I have been unable to find something to convert
images to that format (Coreldraw and HiJaak do 
not).  Any info on what the structure of the .DIB
is like or any shareware, public domain, or commercial
software that can change to the .DIB graphic format
would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you
    ___  ___    
   /  |\/  |\  Michael Dinsmore
  /   |/   ||  dinsmm@rpi.edu
 / /|   /| ||  Michael_Dinsmore@MTS.RPI.EDU
/_/ |__/ |_||  Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
\_\/\__\/\_\|  Computer and Systems Engineering  
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: "charlie duncan" <charlie.duncan@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: www and gopher
Date: 27 Sep 92 06:14:23 EST
Reply-To: "charlie duncan" <charlie.duncan@execnet.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Executive Networks Information


GVR>This sounds very much like WWW and (to a lesser extent) Gopher, except
GVR>that those systems don't have the Microsoft help look and feel (in
GVR>fact their user interfaces can be wildly different even on one
GVR>machine, e.g. there are X and curses versions for UNIX).  There are
GVR>also similarities with WAIS, a distributed database on the internet by
GVR>Thinking Machines.  All these are freeware.


       Could someone tell me more about what is WWW and what is 
  Gopher?

       And how they differ??

       Thanks, Charlie
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From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Re: Hypertext and Reading Theory
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:07:13 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: nigel.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Jason Dymond (jdymond@tartarus.uwa.edu.au) wrote:
: I am working on a project looking at the development of hypeertext as a
: medium for the *authoring* of literary works, and an analysis of the
: implications of this for reading/literary theory.  I am interested in
: hearing from anyone with interest in this, and particularly, about any
: literature which has been specifically produced in and for the hypertext
: medium - not just "books", ported into hypertext.

you should look at _Postmodern Culture_, esp. the essays by Joyce and
Moulthrop.  on the system here it's "go pmc", or if you have gopher you
can point your gopher at "gopher.lib.umich.edu".  Look for stuff on
Joyce's "Storyspace".

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 4562
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: ann@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV (Ann Farny)
Subject: HyperRez ftp location
Reply-To: ann@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:43:32 GMT

I recently read on the newsgroup that HyperRez for
DOS/Windows was available via ftp from wustl.wuarchive.edu
but this seems to be an unknown host.  

Does anyone know about this?  If they do, did I write down
the wrong location?

-- 
ann