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From: wbt@cs.tulane.edu (Bill Thomason)
Subject: Cleaning fluids for monitors
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:15:24 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-7211]: proteus

Some of our monitors are starting to get dirty.  I was curious to see if
anyone had recommendations for cleaning products.

Someone in our department ask about normal glass cleaners like windex.  I
don't know if this a good thing to use.

I wanted to get opinions from the net before I do anything.

Many thanks,

-bill
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From: droms@regulus.cs.bucknell.edu (Ralph E. Droms)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Loose source routed datagrams a problem?
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:47:29
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pa.
Distribution: comp
Reply-To: droms@bucknell.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: regulus.cs.bucknell.edu

I seem to observe that SunOS 4.1.1 will eventually fail with a "BAD
TRAP, Data fault" when forwarding loose source routed IP datagrams.
Is this a correct observation?  If so, is the problem corrected in
later releases of SunOS or correctable with a patch?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: wuy@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (ACS)
Subject: Help needed in sunview programming
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 18:03:16 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

Hi, I need help on the Sunview programming.

Question: I try to build a three layers menu for a
          sunview application.

          The root menu is on the base frame and created by
          using the panel and panel buttons.

          The middle layer menu is created by using sunview 
          menu facilities.

          the leaf menu is create by using panel and panel items.
          
          When the application runs, the first tow layer works fine.
          When I am in the middle layer menu, I select a menu item
          to invoke the leaf menu(panel). There is nothing happen, no
          submenu, and no error message.

If some one could help, please send message to

wuy@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu

thanks in advance

calvin wu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: jont@harlqn.co.uk (Jon Thackray)
Subject: Register windows and non-determinacy on Sparc
Organization: Harlequin Limited, Cambridge, England
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:46:57 GMT

I have what I think is a non-determinacy problem with Sparc register
windows when running user programs on a Sun 4/330 with SunOS 4.1.1.
Perhaps some kind reader of this group can help. The problem concerns
values in registers which will become visible after one or more saves.
The reason I am asking about this is because I have spent some time
trying to use adb to track a problem in a garbage collected language
implementation, and it appears that the use of adb, or perhaps just
context switching actually hides the problem. The conditions are
roughly as follows:-
At the bottom of a sequence of procedure calls, each of which acquires
a new register window via save, a bad value (as far as the garbage
collector is concerned) gets put in to a register. The code then
returns several stack levels and sets off down another sequence of
procedure calls, eventually entering the garbage collector. The
garbage collector performs two saves, and a flush_windows trap to
force all register contents onto the stack so it can scan them and fix
them up. One of the registers flushed onto the stack in this way is the
aforementioned bad value. The problem arises if I try to use adb to
stop somewhere just before the garbage collection. In this case the
bad value doesn't appear on the stack when the garbage collector is
entered, instead a 0 (zero) appears there. This suggests that the
register values appearing when saves are done may be modified in a way
which has nothing to do with the program running. Before starting the
program the register windows not yet visible are cleaned using a
clean_windows trap, and the same happens whenever the runtime system
returns to the compiled code. Can the OS, in some asynchronous way,
also clean the registers between the current window pointer and the
window overflow mark? Anyone got any alternative suggestions as to
what is going on?

Incidentally, I've found the source of the original problem, which was
a piece of the runtime system failing to clear out a bad value it had
created, I'm much more interested in knowing why adb removed the
evidence whenever I tried to look at it.

Replies by email preferred, but I will scan this group as well.
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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: What does `time' measure?
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:17:06 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>Could a guru please tell me what /usr/bin/time is telling me?

It's probably telling you that, in fact, your 4/110 *doesn't* have a
floating-point unit; it was the one and only SPARC machine from Sun for
which the FPU is an option.  (Well, there may have been another 4/1xx
machine for which it was an option.)

(I.e., your theory is, most likely, 100% correct.)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc
From: vrr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (veenu.r.rashid)
Subject: Help connecting Sun 3/50 and Next via ethernet
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:21:15 GMT
Followup-To: poster


I have a Sun 3/50 and a NeXT I would like to connect via thin (coax)
ethernet.  How would I do this?  Does anyone have detailed instructions,
since I am lacking any manuals..


Please email to vrr@cbnewsj.att.com

Thanks very much,
Veenu

vrr@cbnewsj.att.com

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From: jonas@ipcsun5.his.se (Jonas Mellin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Open Look Version 3.0 Error?
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:52:56 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.misc
Organization: University of Skoevde, Skoevde


Hi netlanders.

I have developed a few toy application in XView using the Guide tool,
but I have some problems with the notify routines.

I am mainly running Open Look v3.0 under the SunOs 4.1.2 on a IPC sun. 

The first problem is with the notify interposer. It seems to work for
a while and then it quits. Either it looses the information about the
interposing function or it looses information about what events should
be consumed and which should not. (Is there any other possibility?).

The second problem is with the notify_set_wait3_function. This is in a
different toy application. I copied the example "Reaping Dead
Processes" (Volume 7 "Xview Programming Manual", Dan Heller, page
377-378) and implemented it into my application. It does not even call
the function that should be notified when the children dies.


Has anyone encountered any of these problems? If you need more
information to solve this riddle; I can mail or post it.

I am sorry if these are queries that has been asked before, but I do
not read these newsgroups very often.

/Jonas

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From: barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Problem running tsch in a cmdtool
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:31:49 GMT
Reply-To: barnett@crdgw1.ge.com
Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY

In article <1992Nov12.075932.4600@ericsson.se> etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) writes:
>	   1 Don't use suntools
>	   2 Use shelltool instead of cmdtool.
>	   3 Unset edit in tcsh.
	   4 run script
	   5 rlogin `hostname`
	   6 use mouse-based textedit/style editing cmdtool already provides
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: e-sink@uiuc.edu (Eric W. Sink)
Subject: Potentially dumb question: GNU RCS 5.6
Originator: sink@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: e-sink@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:37:02 GMT

I always thought everything ported easily to the Sun.  I'm
trying to port GNU RCS 5.6 to my Sparc IPX, SunOS 4.1.2,
etc...

Most of the RCS commands core dump.  My RCS directory is a
symbolic link to an NFS mount.

Any idea what I'm doing wrong ?  It ported real easily to the
DEC, SGI, and HP. 

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From: tony@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM (Tony Reeves)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: how do you monitor?
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:52:57 GMT
Reply-To: tony@hacgate.UUCP (Tony Reeves)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

We recently received a 670MP with 2 cpus. I have a question about monitoring
useage. How can you monitor the load and usage of each processor? Our main
system is a sequent with 10 cpus, when you do a ps on the sequent it shows teh
processors that are being used by which process. Yet sunos does not have this.
also on the sequent we can use a program called monitor; this displays the
load on each cpu. I can't find anything like that on sun 670. how do you track
cpu load with the new 4.1.2 and 670mp?

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From: andrew@bic.East.Sun.COM (Andrew Harrison - Sun UK - Cambridge Consultant)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Disk MIRRORing for a Sparc II or "Sparc Classic"
Date: 12 Nov 1992 18:22:32 GMT
Organization: sundc.East.Sun.COM
Distribution: world
Reply-To: andrew@bic.East.Sun.COM (Andrew Harrison - Sun UK - Cambridge Consultant)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bic.uk.sun.com

In article <1992Nov11.223921.3435@ttank.ttank.com>, karl@ttank.ttank.com
(Karl Bunch) writes:
|> The subject about says it all.  We need to find a Disk Mirroring system
|> for a customer.  I know Sun "used" to have a "Sparc Server Manager" that
|> would allow us to do this.  However latest word from Sun is they don't
|> have anything like that now.  
|> 
|> We would prefer a H/W solution.  Something very transparent would be nice.
|> 
|> Thanks in advance,
|> Karl
|> -- 
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|> % Think Tank Software               ||| INTERNET: karl@ttank.com
|> % 42.5% of all quoted statistics are made up, of those 23.185% are
right. :-)


Karl.

Sparc Server Manager has been replaced by a product called Online
DiskSuite. This is
a software mirroring solution which will run on a SS2 under 4.1.2 -
4.1.3. It provides
full disk mirroring of root and swap and any data disks. 

It supports mirroring, concatination and stripeing. It supports UFS and
raw partitions
and is fully transparent to applications. 

Online DiskSuite is faster than Sparc Server Manager, less overhead on
writes (10 %) 
and a performance gain on reads. It also allows better disk syncroniztion than
SParc Server Manager did.


If you need more information on this product talk to your local SUN sales rep.


Andrew Harrison SUN UK Consultancy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: Sparc classic -- there *is* edu pricing
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:55:45 GMT

In article <1dsdrdINNmel@almaak.usc.edu> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:
"I wonder what the price for a dozen edu boxes is :-)

...knock off another 7.5%?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: mahesh@evb.com (B.G. Mahesh)
Subject: where can I get 'zip'....
Reply-To: mahesh@evb.com
Organization: SETT Inc.
Affiliate-Of: EVB Software Engineering, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:08:09 GMT


archie did not help me to locate a site which has 'zip'
for Suns. I can find unzip but not zip. could any of you
point me to a site where I can find zip?

thanks

-- 

B.G. Mahesh
mahesh@evb.com
Newsgroups: netcom.general,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide')
Subject: Re: Sun speeds
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:18:36 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Space Physics, Uppsala, Sweden

In article <EMCGUIRE.92Nov8231522@fuller.intellection.com> emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.062225.20948@netcom.com> wolfgang@netcom.com (Wolfgang Henke) writes:
>   If you have previously run catman, you must rename or delete the formatted
>   pages in /usr/man/cat1/csh.1 before the testing or use
>
>   time nroff -man /usr/share/man1/csh.1 > /dev/null
>
>   Someone pointed out that 'time man csh' tends to be a bit slower 
>   than 'time nroff', so please use these numbers with caution.  
>
>Note also that some vendors tend to modify man pages.  If you're going
>to use the csh(1) man page as a test, perhaps it would be best to copy
>the source file from system to system.
>-- 
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>Systems Administrator/       Dallas, Texas 75234
> Member of Technical Staff   214/620-2100, FAX 214/484-8110
>Intellection, Inc.           <ed@intellection.com>


Also, different vendors have different nroff implementations.  For a fair
comparison one should use a standard nroff (groff?).

Bo
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From: amf@amfent.Gwinnett.COM (Andy Feibus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: A comment from the left ...
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 11:56:59 EST

casey@gauss.llnl.gov (Casey Leedom) writes:
>   Also, I incorrectly claimed that Sun OS 4.1.1 wasn't POSIX compliant.
> (Well, it may not be completely 1003.1 compliant, but I haven't gotten
> far enough in compiling my software to see what facilities are present.
> It's at least got the manual pages and header files for POSIX 1003.1
> signal facilities.)  This is 100% my fault for not checking more
> thoroughly before blasting away at Pnews.
Actually, it's not compliant.  <wait.h>, if I remember right, is incorrect.
Also, it was never certified as being compliant (first release to
get the certification was 4.1.2).

Cheers!
-- Andy.
andyfe@utoday.com
Newsgroups: netcom.general,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: J045820@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Info on plot and graph
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:19:20 GMT

Hello
I am looking for information concerning the plot and graph commands
under SunOs 4.1. I am looking for anything more detailed and explanitory
than the man pages on the system, these are very short.
        Thanks Billy
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Sun5PCOW keyboard remapping
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:38:34 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>  unfortunately, this only works with the Sun5PC (MIT layout) keyboard

"MIT layout"?  Eh?

>OpenWindows seems to use Sun5PCOW (OpenWindows layout) instead.

"OpenWindows layout"?  Eh?

I'm not aware of any naming schemes for Sun Type 5 keyboard hardware
that refers to things that sound like the sources of X11 releases, such
as "MIT" and "OpenWindows".

>In this case,
>the CapsLock key becomes a Control *toggle*, and the Control key becomes
>a regular shift.  The "latching" effect stays with the CapsLock key.

This sounds very suspiciously as if you are, in fact, referring to the
supplier of your X11 software - i.e., the MIT server can cope with the
two keys in question being switched, and knows that the key with the
Lock modifier should be a toggling key, while the OW server appears to
think that the key with a given keystation number should be a toggling
key, no matter what modifiers are associated with it.

That is, in fact, the case, according to what I remember somebody from
Sun saying in some newsgroup.  I think they also said that it'd be fixed
in some future OW release, but I don't think they mentioned any way of
convincing current OW releases to cope with a different key getting the
Lock modifier.

A potential fix, if you can get the money to spend or can convince Sun
to take your keyboard back, *is*, in fact, to get a keyboard with a
different layout; it sounds as if you have a "PC layout" Type 5, but
want a "UNIX layout" type 5.  (No, the "PC layout" Type 5 isn't the
"OpenWindows layout" Type 5, and the "UNIX layout" Type 5 isn't the
"MIT layout" Type 5, unless some complete nitwit at Sun labelled
them in that fashion, in which case those labels should simply be
ignored as being the products of a nitwit.)

See if you can get Sun to let you swap your PC-layout keyboard for a
UNIX-layout one.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: jhall@dante.nmsu.edu (HALL)
Subject: Archie/Client Software
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:21:31 GMT

Hello, Has anyone gotten the xarchie1.3 software to make.  
The Readm mentions a xkfm? program that I dont have and cant find.

If you have gotten it to compile would you send me the makefile(s)
that you used.

This is on a Sun4.
Thanks
Jhall@nmsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu (Roger Books)
Subject: Re: Sun's responsiveness to non-maintenance customers
Organization: FSU nuclear physics
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 14:01:07 GMT



Sorry, I left out disk drives in the list of hardware in a workstation.

Roger
books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: dlagrand@eng.auburn.edu (Dexter LaGrand)
Subject: pcnfs printing troubles
Reply-To: dlagrand@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: National Soil Dynamics Laboratory
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:59:23 GMT



Hello netters,

I need help with printing  from PC-NFS.  So far I have been unable to
print from the PC to the network printer.  In the autoexec.bat file is 
the command "PRT *", it starts ok.  Then I try to use:	
		net use lpt1: gill:nickel
to load the printer. I get the error "NFS049F :", which tells me
the device is already in use.  But there  are no local printers on 
this PC at all.

When I run nfsconf to define printers and try to mount the printer 
I get the errors that there are no resources defined in the database.  
This is not true because at the time I had two printers defined and 
one filesystemdefined and mounted. Even after exiting nfsconf and 
running RTM and RNMNIS I get the same result. 

Any help would be appreciated.

Dexter L.

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From: casey@gauss.llnl.gov (Casey Leedom)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: A comment from the left ...
Summary: Open systems?  We don't need no stinkin' open systems ...
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:56:22 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory


  Or maybe it's from the right.  Who can tell with these extremist views?
:-)

  I feel I have to comment on Sun's purported ``Open Systems''
advertising.  From the time, a couple of years ago, when Sun announced
that it was going to unbundle its ``good compiler'' and only provide a K&R
compiler in the stock system, I've questioned Sun's real commitment to
Open Systems and Standards.  But I stayed my tongue -- as much for lack
of time as for any sense of diplomacy.  I even ignored Sun's continued
attempts to promulgate Open Windows on a market that had clearly decided
on Motif.

  However, recently, trying to port a POSIX and ANSI C compliant software
system to Sun OS 4.1.1 has got me wondering just how Sun can continue to
claim Openness and Standards with a straight face.  (I really shouldn't I
know.  Politicians do the same thing all the time and voters sop it up.
I know that I'm really quite naive to expect anything more.)

  I'm faced with either hacking hundreds of lines of #ifdefs into my
software, or retreating to the old BSD ``standard,'' or just not porting
to the Sun at all.  I'd really like my software to run on Suns because
there are so many in the marketplace, but I'm wondering just how much
it's worth.  After all, SGI and IBM are both POSIX and ANSI C compliant
and I presume others are also or are working towards that.  Even with
Sun's huge market share, they may not be worth porting to with the number
of other truly Open Systems available.

  Oh well, just wondering when Sun OS is going to go POSIX and ANSI C --
in the stock system.  If you have specific comments you want to direct to
me, please send them via email to casey@gauss.llnl.gov -- my current job
doesn't allow me much time on the net anymore.  If there's interest, I'll
summarize any comments I receive.

Casey
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: compiling X sources
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.misc
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:23:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.223315.14353@infodev.cam.ac.uk> tda10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim) writes:
:In article <1chk2sINNlgl@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, at018@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dale Houston) writes:
:|> 
:|> Is there an FAQ list somehwere that will tell me how to compile and
:|> imake under OpenWindows when you're. Most PD X software expects the X

:A reasonably complete X11 installation ought to make PD software building and
:installation, on your own workstation, as easy as:
:
:Read the README
:Check the Imakefile
:xmkmf (possibly -a if the package is complex)
:make
:make install
:make install.man
:
:Tim.

Under OW 3.0, one has to take the first step of fixing xmkmf and the
imake templates that are distributed with SunOS 4.1.[12] before building
a package.  Anyone know if 4.1.3's OW 3.0 is any different (I suspect
not...)
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