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From: v122kzkw@hell.from.the.depths.of (A FROOD WHO SURE KNOWS WHERE HIS TOWEL IS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG: The Final Year. Episodes I'd (seriously!) like to see.
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:04:00 GMT
Organization: Organization? Ha, you're joking right?
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In article <1992Apr15.233439.22066@cco.caltech.edu>, thogek@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Thomas Kiefer) writes...
>In article <1992Apr15.182024.11134@linus.mitre.org> wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) writes:
>>    In that vein, I guess I'll throw out my ultimate fantasy episode to
>>    be used as the finale of the sixth season.  Please keep in mind that
>>    what follows is a without questions a product of my propensity for
>>    *action* episodes.  ( Something similar to this is what I would have
>>    loved to see as the final mission of James T. Kirk. )
>>
>>    For your consideration:
>>
> 
>[long description of idea deleted, partiallly summarized by...]
> 
>>    ( You guessed it! ) THE ROMULANS ARE COMING!
>>    
>>    ( I know there are flaws, but what does it sound good? )
>>
> 
>Sounds potentially AWESOME to me!!!!                                                   
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Well, I don't know if they'll do this as an actual show, but I would like to
see a story of this kind. Yoo've got a good idea, good action, something of a
plot. Why don't you write this story for everyone to read. I'd enjoy reading
it.
T.
(please disregard the header, unless of course someone can tell me how to get
rid of the location information)
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From: apearlma@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew Pearlman)
Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers "First Duty"))
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:28:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.221252.29548@uunet.uu.net> kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:
>ccmk@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
> > The emphasis is on the refusal to give in no matter the odds.
>
>tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
> > That's not an "I will not fail".  That's an "I will not give up"; and I 
> > find that an admirable quality most of the time.  The "I will not fail"
> > is adolescent arrogance at its worst.
>
>OK, assuming for a moment that you're right: give us an example
>of Kirk taking on something that's way over his head, ignoring
>all warnings, and just foolishly bulling ahead.

Stepping down from the admirality.  The federation needs him more in the
admirality, otherwise they wouldn't have promoted him.  Granted, he's
the captain of the Enterprise.

Letting Gary Mitchell get out of hand.  If Kirk could have handled his own
fears of Gary Mitchell, they wouldn't have had the problems they did.

Organians.  Taking on 1 in 7000 odds quoth Spock.  Spock has just told him the
odds are suicidal.  After the Organians dictate terms, Kirk keeps arguing.
Arguing with a nearly omnipotent race does not seem like a very rational
idea.

Any number of times:  Spock: odds are hundreds to one.  Kirk: how good are
the odds now?

Andy Pearlman
From: jcoper@ccu.umanitoba.ca (D. Joseph Creighton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why 3 in "Cause and Effect?"
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:52:45 GMT
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Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Apr6.062030.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>In article <1992Mar31.001107.1007@morrow.stanford.edu>, steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) writes:
>> Riker suggests decompressing the shuttle bay...
>> Data suggests using the tractor beam...
>> Picard thinks, "I know what the "three" message means, it means
>> I should go with the third suggestion. I'll wait for it."
>> Boom!
>> Picard's final thought: "Oops."
>
>Why didn't Data choose the "obvious" and send a message of "Riker"?!
>Same number of characters as "three", after all, and a lot less ambiguious!

I made a point in a previous post that Data perhaps sent the single
character "3", rather than the alphabetic "three" several times over.
In my opinion, it would be easier to place a single character into
the Decyon field many times than a number of characters that must be
received in their entirety to make a string.  The fact that we only
saw numeric 3's on the computer display could substantiate this idea.
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From: Ric_Goldman@3mail.3com.com
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Subject: Transporter (was Re: An oddity)
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:03:00 GMT

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Rslarsen@oregon.uoregon.edu (Ron Larsen) writes:
>Ken_Bell@mindlink.bc.ca (Ken Bell) writes
>>How come that when an away party is being beamed into a dangerous 
>>situation (i.e., into the middle of the Borg cube earlier this week),
>>they are never beamed in a crouching position with weapons drawn. 
>>Instead, it's always up right and they have to assume the position.

>Good Question.  The answer, as far as I have been able to figure out, 
>is that when an away beams into a 'situation', they have to get 
>"straight" there -- hence no crouching.  It might also be too, that 
>since StarFleet's primary mission is exploration, not military, that 
>they beam their officers standing up for the same reason that 
>Federation ships do not have cloaking devices -- so as not to appear 
>overly hostile.

That makes sense as a practice, but it's not a requirement.  In the 
first season TOS episode (name escapes me) where the Enterprise 
encounters the First Federation ship Pegasus (sp?), when Kirk and the 
others get ready to beam aboard the transporter chief has them crouch 
down because it's "a bit tight in there" or some such.

Of course, maybe they do it because it's better for your posture :-)

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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers "First Duty"))
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:34:25 GMT

Sheesh.  Looks like it was a hell of a weekend to go offline.  :-)

goodwin@orionsci (Ben Goodwin) writes:

>Nope, its not that I refuse, its just that arguing from logic (something I
>try not to do) you and others have based this opinion on almost 100% pure
>speculation.  The *only* thing I remember ever hearing about Kirk's
>academy days was the KM test.  You and others are trying to predict
>(hum, not the right word, but it will do) Kirk's personality in 
>the Academy based upon how you see him 15 years after the academy.  For
>all you know he might have been a studious totally serious student
>who spent all hist time trying to be number one in his class.  After he
>made it he went on from there.

That is a possibility, sure.  I find the evidence concerning the KM test to
be the clearest signs we have to his personality, however, and easily the
most relevant to the *particular* parallels to Locarno under discussion.
(Remember, Ben, I don't think anyone has been arguing Kirk is as venal as
Locarno or deserved to be tossed out of the academy...)

>Its not that I refuse to see the link, its just that you are creating
>a link on *very* little if any evidence.  

And you are *denying* that link based on just as little evidence.  Sauce for
the goose, Mr. Goodwin.

>Like I said, based on what
>we know of Picard in his academy days, the Locarno = Picard(at academy)
>is a more likely equation.  

Disagreed.  Picard sounds like he might have been a hellion, but nowhere has
it been established at all that he was dishonest--just rowdy.

>Also remember, Picard has had about 40
>years to become the calm cool commander he is.

And Kirk's had a long time to come down from his academy days as well.  Picard
appears to have grown out of his hellion days; did Kirk come out of his "I 
can't lose" attitude until ST2?  I don't find it such.

>And finally, what do you mean you "find it interesting that I refuse to
>believe Kirk was ..."  Spit it out.  No inuendo please. :)

I've already explained this in email.  I literally find it interesting; no
innuendo meant.  

Tim Lynch
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From: ROSGARA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: the outcast from a queer perspective
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 18:38:11 EDT

 
I waited for this episode for years and i have really mixed emotions. first of
all gender was essentialized -- people felt "female" or "male" -- as if, what,
they felt like they wanted to wear make up, nurture, or talk about sports and b
beer? And worse, of course, gender was defined as heterosexual,if one felt male
than they were heterosexual. What the hell? Also when riker was talking about w
what men like when sorren asked him he said some like this kind of woman, some
liked that kind of woman, but never maybe some liked guys? What the hell? Also
it was way assimilationist -- "were the same as you, we love,etc".
why cant we get a queer character on? rikers rabid heterosexuality is thrust in
 our faces and we cant get a queer (i think tasha was bi but that was never
explicit.) i dunno, i was sort of disappointed.
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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: those things on their belts
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:53:32 GMT

In article <HENDRICK.92Apr16123516@marlins.ctron.com> hendrick@ctron.com (Jim Hendrick) writes:
>>    enterprise goes back to tasha's home planet, when tasha's sister was
>>    beaming down to the colony to help rescue the crewmen,  she had on a
>>    blue jumpsuit with matching blue phaser holster.  how nice, they must
>
>Who noticed the holster ???
>
>Sorry, just an avid Linda Hamilton fan. ;-)

Sorry to burst your bubble; that wasn't Linda Hamilton.

Ishara Yar was played by Beth Touissant (IMO, a highly mediocre
and flat actress.)

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TNG Lifelines: From "Yesterday's Enterprise" To "The First Duty" --
  "Prior to Starfleet Academy commencement ceremonies, an in-flight
   accident destroys five ships, including the one carrying Wesley
   Crusher" -- TV Guide: Mar. 28 - Apr. 3

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From: bsb2u@helga1.acc.Virginia.EDU (Brian Samuel Bevins)
Subject: Re: Boothby and Picard: TFD
Keywords: TFD
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:32:41 GMT

In article <29E36A23.5171@noiro.acs.uci.edu> cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.173140.25324@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> heather@hub.toronto.edu (Heather Hinton) writes:
>>In `The Game', when Wes returns to the Enterprise, there is a
>>wonderfully heart-warming (read: stomach-churning) scene where Wes and
>>Picard discuss the academy.  Picard had told Wes to introduce himself to
>>Boothby on an earlier epsiode, and then in `The Game' asks how Boothby
>>is doing.  
>>
>>Doesn't Wesley reply that Boothby didn't remember who Picard was?  If
>>so, how come Boothby suddenly is able to recognize Picard and list all
>>his accomplishments?  What gives?
>>
>
>Maybe Boothby knew it would get back to Picard and just want to bust his
>nuts.
>
>Regards,
>Janis C.


Wes tells Picard in "The Game" that Boothby didn't remember him at
first, but did after a little time had passed.  Also, I imagine it was
common knowledge that Picard was coming to speak at commencement.
With such reminders, I'm not surprised that Boothby remembered Picard,
if he really ever had forgotten.  :)

-- 

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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Asimov lost
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:55:48 GMT
Organization: Berry Communications

cec35848@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chuck Carroll) writes:

> sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Hurley) writes:
> 
> 
> >Isaac Asimov died this morning , April 6, 1992 A.D.
> 
> >WHo's left?
> 
> Martin H. Greenberg is the only one of three still alive
> who were listed on the Sci-Fi Channel's Board of Directors.

That probably doesn't matter anyway.  The Sci-Fi Channel has been bought
by the USA network.


Pat Berry                    pat@berry.Cary.NC.US
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Wesley and Alexander
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:30:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.001055.20359@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Hold on a second. I'm in perfect agreement wrt the kid who plays Alexander.
>But if you're implying that Wil Wheaton can't act, I'd like you to cite
>some evidence.

Season 1.

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From: ai01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ARSENIO IBAY)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: OPINIONATED COMMENTS (SPOILERS for THE FIRST DUTY)
Date: 5 Apr 92 21:18:17 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

No major spoilers here, but better safe ... :)





















IMHO, this episode dealt with to whom or what a person's one "first
duty" belongs.  On the one hand, there is Captain Picard's assertion that a
Starfleet officer's first duty is to the truth, no matter the cost.  On the
other side of the coin is Locarno, to whom duty to the truth is nice but it's
something abstract and detached from reality, and it's the loyalty to friends
and comrades that really count.  And the Wesley's dilemma was to choose between
those two duties and gain the conviction to follow it.

I don't think Locarno had anything in mind other than the good of the team
when he persuaded the Admiral to spare the others expulsion from the Academy.
Everything he'd done before could be shown to be in the interest of the group;
for example, one career was lost to Starfleet; why sacrifice more by telling
the truth?  And it wasn't just Locarno's career on the line -- they had all
taken part of the lie by remaining silent.

The ending was all the more poignant for me because everyone was true to his
beliefs, Picard, Wesley (once he had made his choice), and Locarno.  Locarno
felt that his dead friend wouldn't want his death to be the end of the team at
the Academy, and he wasn't going to let his expulsion be so, either.
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From: yung@r-node.gts.org (Amos Yung)
Subject: Re: Spoiler: C&E; "Let's not start second-guessing ourselves."
Organization: R-Node Public Access UNIX System (416-636-2026) - 24 hrs
 <1992Apr11.090254.12526@unlinfo.unl.edu>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 03:19:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.090254.12526@unlinfo.unl.edu> 
gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...) writes:
>val@csulx.cs.weber.edu (Val Kartchner) writes:
>
>>     There is a flaw in the logic of "Let's not start second-guessing
>>ourselves."  The flaw is as follows (note: "knew" in the following statements
>>means that they had figured out to a high degree of probability that this was
>>actually the case):
>
>>1) They knew that they were in a loop.
>>2) They knew that a large explosion was the probable cause of the resetting
>>   of the loop.
>
>Not "a" large explosion, but specifically the explosion which destroyed
>the ship.
>
>>3) They should have known that the first time through the loop, the
>>   explosion had occured.  (The loop could have not occured in the first
>>   place without a first explosion.)
>
>I may be misparsing you, but it is shown that they didn't know an
>explosion caused it all until the second-to-last pass.  Overall, this
>bit makes no sense.
>
>>4) Therefore: Do something that you wouldn't have done if you hadn't known
>>   that you were in a loop (as they hadn't the first time).  This thing
>>   could have been stopping dead as one of the crew members suggested.
>
>But we don't know the nature of the temporal rift.  It may have been
>attracted to the location of the warp field generators.  If so, it
>wouldn't have made any difference if they stayed or immediately turned
>around and headed at high warp away from the place.  Didn't they stop
>dead when they had the episode with the second Picard?  Sure, it was a
>loop of 
a different Picolor, but it didn't work.

More importantly, they didn't know how far they were thrown back in
time. It could have been a year for all they know. If they start moving
in random course now, how will they know when to stop?
 

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From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Subject: Re: "The First Duty" **SPOILERS**
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:56:08 GMT

david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:

> Spoiler warning:


> I really enjoyed this episode.

Me, too.  I guess it's the only "Wesley episode" I've ever liked.

> I actually
> pittied Wesley when Picard expressed his dispointment in him and when it
> seemed "the Great" one had fallen.  I especially felt sorry for him when it
> seemed that he may lose all he had worked for and dreamed about all his life.

Here's my problem (a very minor one) with the episode.  At the end,
Piccard says that Wesley won't advance with his classmates.  Huh?
Does Wesley get to take the same classes again and ace them again?
He wasn't having academic difficulties.  What's the point of holding
him back?

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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: Where was Troi? (First Duty)
Organization: UUNET Communications Services
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:45:37 GMT

dabachma@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Donald A Bachman) writes:
 > I know some will argue that it is unethical to read someone
 > elses emotions/mind without consent, but by previous example,
 > and what Picard said about his Betazoid Commandant, we know
 > that is not the case. So where were the telepaths/empaths?
 > (Have to wonder in general, if there is a law allowing you not
 > to incriminate yourself, and if so, does it apply to thoughts
 > you broadcast).

So much for the theories about mind rape and all that.  And good
riddance to them.  It is possible that Betazoids don't like to be
used this way, and avoid Starfleet duty because of it.

 > 	Another thing, why would they doubt the picture from the satellite?
 > A picture is generally admissable, and it clearly indicated deception of some
 > sort (which, IMHO, would have been enough to warrant a much more sever punish-
 > ment than that which was initially going to be handed down).

Evidence can be tampered with, particularly computer records.
Now if they had similar pictures from another source, or
corraborating witnesses, then it would have been another matter.

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From: rdshepherd@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Rick Shepherd)
Subject: Re: Comment on Wesley's room (First Duty)
Organization: Planning Research Corporation
Date:  6 Apr 92 15:32:17 GMT

In <1992Apr6.074215.12501@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:


>The door had a doorknob, and it swung open.  Awfully low tech, dontcha
>think?

>Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
>the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today.  :-)

Exactly!  Where I went to college, there WERE some semi-modern high rise
dorms, but the ones that most of us normal people could afford looked
more like campground cabins or the like.

Even in the 24th century, college students, etc. are spared every
expense, and no opportunity to save money is turned away.  After all,
they are not there to give the dorms a 4 start rating. 8-)  Oh well.

	---------- Ryan Mathews

Rick
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From: crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Comment on Wesley's room (First Duty)
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:06:47 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In <1992Apr6.074215.12501@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:


>The door had a doorknob, and it swung open.  Awfully low tech, dontcha
>think?
[...]

I really liked that aspect.  It was good to see that Star Fleet doesn't
have infinite resources.  (I didn't notice the sound effect that some
have mentioned--It must have been a mistake.)

--PC

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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Why did the Glass Break! Cause and Effect
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:01:09 GMT

In article <k987iB1w164w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>vendwrt@iddsupp5.austin.ibm.com (Vendor Writer Guest Login) writes:
>
>> O.K. O.K> Alright, enough! Yes heavy equipment IS moved around. But, did
>> you ever notice something called an anti-grav unit on board?
>
>On board the NCC-1701-D?  No, I can't say that I ever did.  How about
>you?  Can you name one episode of ST:TNG in which an anti-grav unit is
>used, or even mentioned?

No, but they were used in TOS (THE CHANGELING, OBSESSION) and the movies,
and it's unlikely that such a useful technology would be discarded.


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