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From: ghartzog@terapin.com (Garrett Hartzog)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: SYSOP BUSTED FOR PORNO IN OHIO!
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:50:30 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Jul27.152158.19362@crd.ge.com>, davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM
(william E Davidsen) writes:
>I hate to say it, but putting adult material where kids can see it is
>really stupid. I don't favor censorship, but I do believe that kids
>inputs should be controlled by the parents until the kids are old enough
>to make their own decisions.
>
how do you decide when kids are old enough to make their own decisions? I'm 15
(16 in october) and I feel I'm perfectly capable of making my own decisions. I
act in a responsible manner, I don't drink or do drugs. there are some 17 year
olds who do drugs and drink and other stuff. It's impossible to determine when
someone's ready to make their own decisions. If people want to hole up with
their computer and d/l a bunch of XXX gifs and such, let them, it's their
choice. I really don't care that much one way or the other but I don't like the
idea that "kids" aren't allowed to make their own decisions based upon some
arbitrary age limit. Okay, I'll get off of my soap box now.

Garrett Hartzog
ghartzog@terapin.com
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.allsysop,alt.bbs.allsysop
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:36:35 -0400 
From: "Steve D. Leu" <sl3w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: SYSOP BUSTED FOR PORNO IN OHIO!
	<ciZNoB2w165w@halcyon.com>

> PErhaps, someone should, to test this kinda case, go up to a public 
>bulliten board (cork/softwood kind, not computer) and post up a playboy 
>centerfold... then call the police and ask them to arrest the person who 
>put up the board...   see what happens THEN.

Point well taken, but...

the SysOp who got arrested was fully aware that minors were UL/DLing xxx
pictures to his BBS.  He made it possible that any person who logged on
could go to the new uploads area and download a good amount of X-gifs. 
He never did make  an attempt to check what was coming through his
system and who was downloading what.  The best way to ensure sysop
immunity from this is to make the user agree  that s/he is of legal age
and to use that type of security on the BBS.  If the user is the one
lieing, then the sysop is not responsible for the user. 

I do not totally agree with the arrest, but that's life...

     
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.allsysop
From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Multiline BBS Systems
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:17:21 GMT

From article <1992Jul27.192248.10048@cshl.org>, by boutell@isis.cshl.org (Tom Boutell):
> Hi there. I'd like to hear from anyone currently running a multiple line
> A

BBS system:

	Or multiple Multiple line systems *grin*
> 
> - What hardware you need to support it;
	386-16DX on the 16 line system and a 486-50DX on the 2 line system.

> - What operating system you use (can DOS be used? Is a ton of networking
> software needed to do it under DOS?)

	MSDOS 3.3 on the 386 and MSDOS 5.0 on the 486.  Both use the
4DOS command.com replacement.

> - What software you're running;

	TBBS 2.2[16] on the 386 and TBBS 2.2[2] on the 486.
> - What the hardware cost;

	Ummm...I would say that the 386 is worth about $1500 and the 486
is worth $3500.  The 16.8K dual standards can be obtained for $500 each
via the USRobotics SysOp deal.  On the 386, the remaining 15 lines
are filled by networked NIUs, so I really have no idea on the whole
setup for that...

> and
> - What your phone charges are each month, generally speaking, as well as
> what you paid for installation of multiple lines in a hunt group (if you
> have a hunt group installed). Are your lines considered business lines,
> and charged appropriately? Et cetera.

	I think in my area, 5 or less lines are considered residential but
more are business.  We're paying (in my mind) pretty outrageos rates of
about $20-25 for each line on the two line system.  On the 16, the one line
is paid for by the university.  I hear you can cut costs on the BBS lines
by having them marked as dialin only, but we've been too lazy to call
the telco company and ask about this.

> 
> If you charge users of your system, I'm also interested in hearing how
> successful that's been in meeting your costs.

	We don't charge on either system, but the two line system has 
X-rated material.  For that, we require users to send in ID (photocopy
of driver's liciense) to prove that they are over 18 years of age.  This
has worked out well.  No complaints.

> 
> I'll gladly summarize to the net. I think a great number of folks would like
> to see the results of this survey. Please respond by email.
> 
> (The magazine I edit has nothing to do with BBSes per se, this is a
> personal query.)
> 

	Will be very interested to see the results!

 TTYL
 Chris

Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Subject: Re: SYSOP BUSTED FOR PORNO IN OHIO!
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:22:30 GMT

pauls@icecreambar.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:

>The latest issue of CompuServe magazine has an article about Playboy suing  
>some bloke in Portland, OR over copyrighted GIFs.  You all might want to  
>get your hands on it, since it has some information relevant to cases like  
>this.  The defense's case, as I understand it, is submitting that a public  
>BBS should be treated like one treats the US Mail--that the exchange of  
>files by individuals on the board cannot result in operator liability,  
>just as the US mail is not responsible for people who mail smack or kiddie  
>doggie porno or bombs to each other.

The "bloke" is Jim Maxey, who runs Event Horizons.  According to
Boardwatch magazine, Maxey claims to have grossed more than a million
dollars last year.  He runs a BBS with approximately 64 lines and
charges $12/hour for access, four times that for 9600baud access.  He
also sells images on disk.  This is not somebody who runs a board for
the fun of it, nor is it somebody who just takes whatever comes across
the 'net.

Playboy told him to stop using "Playmate" in descriptions of images, and
may have also have told him to stop scanning their images in.  Not certain
on the last part, since all that was mentioned in the news was that they
wanted him to stop using their trademark.  He didn't, and they sued.

This is not a sysop who used a copyrighted image by mistake.  Maxey is
very careful to copyright all his scans and claims that he'll sue any
other BBS that uses his images.  He's trying to use copyright law
against other people, but he's screaming because Playboy is doing the
same to him.

I hope that they decide to make an example of him, just as I would hope
that the Software Publisher's Association would sue anybody who did
software piracy on a similar scale.

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.internet
From: smagarwa@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suresh Agarwal)
Subject: Internet access and FIDO info
Followup-To: brittb@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:28:24 GMT


I am trying to find access for a 2400 baud modem to Internet
in the Raleigh, NC area.  A friend of mine moved to North
Carolina and does not have Internet access.  Please email
me the phone numbers (and instructions) for such access.

Also, what is required for posting articles from a FIDOnet
to Internet?  Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Britt Brooks
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: glgam@cc.newcastle.edu.au (GLGAM)
Subject: Re: Information about RA please ..
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:12:04 GMT

In article <memo.535553@cix.compulink.co.uk>, pands@cix.compulink.co.uk (P & S Ltd - Accounts Dept) writes:
> Does anyone out there in netland know if RA likes working with networked
> PC's?  I'm looking for a setup which lets me use a couple of dusty 286's
> each carrying one or two lines.
> 
> Thanks.
> 

Yes it does, quite nicely..  The Australian support site 'The Eagles' runs
quite happily on a LAN.  For more info contact the UK support site :

Barry Phillips
PO Box 21
Ormskirk
Lancs L39 3QW
UNITED KINGDOM

Regards,
Scott Mackenzie.

P.S. ..  RA is good, but Ezycom is better.. (Ezycom is available from Simtel)
 
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: craigs@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Stace)
Subject: USRobotics SysOp deal
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:37:07 GMT

Can someone fill me in on how one takes advantage of this deal?  I'm tired
of running at 2400 BPS.  Well, if I got the Dual Standard, I'd simply keep
the 2400 BPS and put it on another line.

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: RA and newsgroups
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:20:39 GMT

From article <Bs5q9J.L15@andy.bgsu.edu>, by pfrazie@andy.bgsu.edu (Paul M. Frazier):
> 
> I am trying to set up a BBS using RA and pulling in usenet newsgroups.  A
> friend of mine says he can set me up in Opus to do this, but the software 
> he has (UFGATE?) creates *.MSG format messages.  Is there a way to import 
> these messages into RA?  Is there a better piece of software to use to 
> import and export newsgroup messages using RA?  
>  
> Any other advice is welcome!
> 
> (Not that I dislike Opus that much, I just like RA a lot more.)

	Paul, look for Fredgate at zeus.ieee.org.  You'll find two programs
that look like FRED19 or FRED18 - get them both.  One has that full 
documentation in it, the other has the latest version of FredGate.  Fredgate
creates the .PKT format that most scan/tossers use directly...
 
 TTYL
 Chris
From: wtrkei01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Overseas Realtime Connection!
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:45:35 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town

Hi there.

Calling all Sysops running Bulletin Boards that support at least 15 callers
at once.

I am interested in connecting my system to yours (Via a telephone or X.29
call) for a short period of time (30 mins to 1 hour) and allowing (at a cost,
to cover the tremendous cost!) users on either system to chat in real time 
to each other.

My system (Chatnet) in South Africa will probably attract about 30 to 40 
concurrents user for such an event.

Please mail me ASAP if you are remotely interested.

Thanks

Cheers,
Keith

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From: phaedrus@unkaphaed.UUCP (James Hartman, Sysop)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 20:36:22 GMT
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy

SUA@CU.NIH.GOV writes:

> help

:=)  Gonna be one of those days...

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1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32bis/v.42bis
From: mcs213a.cs.umr.edu!mchalmer@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Is there a FIDO beginners guide?
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:25:00 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

>Does anyone know if there are any files anywhere that would be of use
>to Fido neophytes, for example explaining echomail, netmail, points,
>etc.?
>
>The sort of level I'm thinking of is someone moving from BBS calling
>to becoming a point or node and, perhaps, starting a BBS.

Well, if you are able to get ahold of a local (or any) Fido node, especially
a host, hub, coordinator, etc., they will have a zip package of files for
newbie Fido SysOps. It contains most of the information I think you're     
looking for. And when you become a Fido node, it is automatically given to
you.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: stmfarqu@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Michael J. Farquharson)
Subject: Supra V.32bis Sysop needs help (Maximus 2.01)!
Originator: stmfarqu@atlas.cs.upei.ca
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:54:22 GMT

        Well, I got my new modem... it's a SupraFaxModem... it arrived in
less than 2 weeks (and I'm in Canada) straight from Supra... not bad.

        However, I've got a few problems with it... I run a BBS under
Maximus 2.01 and things are not working 100%.  It started out so that no
one could even connect to the thing unless they had another 'faster than
2400 baud' modem, which amounts to about 1 person here on P.E.I., but I
fixed that.  Now, the major problem I have is this... when users call up
my board... they are losing some of the characters... namely the ones at
the beginning of the transmission...  Like they lose the top two lines of
a Menu but pick up half way through....  I guess anything that starts at
the top of a screen just doesn't all come through.

        Now, I know that I'm connected at 2400 with them, I know that from
the cute little display that flashes '24' at me.  So.... what am I doing
wrong.  Here's my Init String, I made it up generally by myself with some
assistance from the very adequate manuals that accompanied the modem:

        AT&F2&Y0E0M0V1S0=0 (Right?  Wrong?  I'm no expert, but it answers!)

        Also, I have my Baud Maximum set to 19200baud.... but the modem will
actually only do 14.4k with max throughput of 57.6k... should I set it to
one of these instead?  Oh yeah, I have CTS/DSR enabled, I don't REALLY know
what those are either... but Maximus suggests that for faster than 9600 you
really should enable them.

        Finally, when a call comes in, Maximus says that it's connected at
19200.... even though it's only at 2400?  Any idea why?  Any help would be
greatly appreciated.  The sooner the better as I'd like to get this puppy
working ASAP.  Thanks a lot

===============================================================================
stmfarqu@upei.ca         |  Sysop:  Starbase 1 BBS, Sherwood, P.E.I., Canada
Michael Farquharson      |  Phone:  (902)-628-1230
UPEI Engineering         |  Running Maximus with Supra V.32bis modem!!!
===============================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: tbbs and internet
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:46:01 GMT

From article <9220009.25457@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, by kong@ecr.mu.oz.au (Kong_Tung NG):
> In article <1992Jul16.190314.6030@uvm.edu>, cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
>> 	Kong, I'm more than certain that it's 132.198.101.103...
> 
> OK, I'm sorry. When I connected to it, nothing happened - it just sat there.
> What _should_ happen?
> 

	Kong, you need to hit <cr> about 3-4 times, then you'll get TBBS.  Please
note that we go down from 2:30pm to about 3:15 pm every afternoon for mail
processing...
 
 TTYL
 Chris
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: NEW NEWS GROUP (comp.sys.atari.znet)
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:22:46 GMT
Organization: Z*NET Global News Gateway in Auckland New Zealand

Hello Fellow news group readers,
 
 We finally have the FoReM NeT (FNET) news in fido and usenet formats
 for the whole world to read.
 
 I would like to start polling in a 10 days time for a NEW news group of 
 this one called comp.sys.atari.ZNET . This will reflect the Z*NET FNET
 mail / traffic on Usenet.
 
 As we are the mail gateway for Z*NET on the nets we will send the mail 
 both directions from here in NZL.
 
 Before I poll I would like some feedback if any from this news group.
 
 Kind regards
 
 Jon Clarke
 Z*NET On-Line Magazines
 Auckland
 New Zealand (gatewayed to NJ, USA)
 

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 GEnie: J.CLARKE6          FIDONET: 3/772:105      TheNets: jonc@status.gen.nz
 T h e    Z * N E T    G l o b a l   N e w s   G a t e w a y    i n    N Z L .
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: beowulf@wam.umd.edu (amealuh)
Subject: anyone know about DC area BBS?
Summary: Focke's, Aladdin's Lamp
Organization: heh... organized?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:21:44 GMT

anyone know anything about DC area BBSes? i'm particularly
interested in getting a hold of a copy of the Focke's List,
if someone has a relatively current edition. also, i don't
suppose anyone knows anything about a BBS called Aladdin's Lamp?
lost touch with it years ago...

please mail me. thanx.

beo
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: jrjohns@eos.ncsu.edu (John R. Johns II)
Subject: Re: where to ftp msdos BBS software?
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:59:52 GMT

>Who cares if a program is a hack.  If an Author makes the source code availabl
>to the public, he/she usually makes it available for software developers.  If
>somebody can improve upon someone elses code, I say, more power to them.

Ahem, EXCEPT that in this case, the source code was NOT made available to the
public.  It was made available to registered users.  Any release of that code
which STILL belongs to the original author by a registered user is/was
un-authorized, and illegal!  That is why a lawsuit was brought against the
"makers" of Telegard by Wayne Bell.

>I believe that Martin Pollard *DID* improve upon WWIV and the latest revision
>of Telegard (2.7) is almost nothing like the original so you can't really call
>it a hacked version of WWIV.  If you call using ideas from another person to
>write software hacking then you would be calling everyone who every learned how
>to program at a university a HACK programmer, because they learned their
>programming technique from somebody else.

So, what you're saying is, the ends justifies the means?  I think that
was a concept Hitler had that the Jews didn't appreciate very much.  There
is a difference between learning the programming techniques and direct
source code theft.  What Telegard is, is the second of those two.  The fact
that the latest revision is "almost nothing like the original" doesn't
make up for the fact that pre-2.7 versions still had significant (read as,
illegal) amounts of WWIV source code in them.

I will admit, that I have heard that when Pollard joined the group working
on Telegard that he didn't know TG was stolen from WWIV.  If that's the
case, more power to him.  He needs to get way away from Telegard, though,
because it's tainted by it's past.

Let's end this discussion here, eh?

- John

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From: ddrk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (SkiMeister)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Power BBS for Windows is here!
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:52:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

I would just like to announce that I have uploaded 

		Power BBS for Windows
You can find it in the MSDOS_UPLOADS directory
at the wuarchive.wustl.edu ftp site.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: cn451156@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Christopher Norman)
Subject: Re: Getting Telegard to Read USENET
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:00:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <1992Jul29.222929.23734@samba.oit.unc.edu> Elliott.Wong@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Elliott Wong) writes:
>
>	I'm running Telegard 2.7 and have worked out a deal to get a
>partial USENET feed. My problem is getting the newsgroups into a format
>that Telegard will read. Any help with this would be appreciated.
>	Thanks in advance.
>
>
>--
Try running Fredgate to converte the newsgroups to fido compatible .msg's and
reverse for outgoing mail.

Chris
From: cybrspc!wwiv!68-500@cs.umn.edu (darkstar#freds.cojones.com (DarkStar) #68 @500)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: ** Hanover Univ. **  
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 06:33:28 GMT

 | In article 62072@cup.portal.com, Derk@cup.portal.com (Derk Allen Gates) write    
 | >(Hanover is in Southern Indiana by the way)  
 |   
 | Hey guys, Hanover is in northern Germany :-)

Yes, but they didn't (tm) it. We have a Houston, Alaska <g>.

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
From: krhobson@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kenneth Ray Hobson)
Subject: Telegard door installation?
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:01:43 GMT

The docs to install Telegard 2.7 do not help with the doors.  I use the 2.5    
Telegard dos.  Any help would be appreciated.  thanks
From: visbrown@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (BILL)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Re: SYSOP BUSTED FOR PORNO IN OHIO!
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:12:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.bbs.allsysop
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <7929@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au>, dclunie@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (David Clunie) writes...
>In article <1992Jul23.090859.23@antioc.antioch.edu> mbaya@antioc.antioch.edu writes:
>>Reply-To: bx953@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Cohen)
>>The cops used a "cooperative" 15 year old -- after
>>the kid accessed the adult files, the cops grabbed the alleged criminal.
>>
> 
>Is this not entrapment (not that I'm a lawyer) ?
> 
>I dare say even if this never comes to trial, picking on such a young
>sysop is not going to result in any suits against the law enforcemnt
>organizations, but will probably successfully intimidate lots of
>other sysops into censoring their material.
> 
>-- 
>david (dclunie@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au or dclunie@itd.adelaide.edu.a\
>u)

It's obvious that you're not a lawyer.  Pleas re-read the section you 
quoted.  They had a minor call the BBS and access the adult files.  

Bill
"I'm not a lawyer, but I work for some!"
From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Re: SYSOP BUSTED FOR PORNO IN OHIO!
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:21:53 GMT
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) 24hrs.

In article <Bs0D87.B9@acsu.buffalo.edu> visbrown@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (BILL) writes:
>It's obvious that you're not a lawyer.  Pleas re-read the section you 
>quoted.  They had a minor call the BBS and access the adult files.  
>
	Has anyone said/confirmed whether this 'minor' lied or
gave false data?

Marc
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