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From: rca@Ingres.COM (Bob Arnold)
Subject: Re: Sound Proofing
Reply-To: rca@Ingres.COM (Bob Arnold)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: ba
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:48:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.045857.6216@PA.dec.com> reid@pa.dec.com (Brian Reid) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.035621.29718@odin.corp.sgi.com> lkvarda@booboo.wpd.sgi.com (Lisa Kvarda) writes:
>>Anyone have any suggestions for sound proofing a garage?  
>
>I'm not an acoustic engineer, and acoustics is largely black magic, but I've
>read a lot and I've participated in the construction of recording studios.
>
>For your kind of soundproofing, where the goal is to prevent the escape of
>sound, nothing really works except weight. (Well, actually, mass, though
>here on Earth we usually use the two terms as equivalent). The very
>best soundproofing material would be sheets of lead, as thick as you could
>use. Bricks or cinder blocks work too. Barring that, exceedingly heavy fabric
>curtains are OK. The materials that you describe (foam board and egg cartons)
>work well to prevent reflections, but they are quite ineffective at
>preventing the transmission of sound. One studio that I am familiar with uses
>a wooden doublewall construction with 6 inches of sand in between the walls.

There is one other effective soundproofing technique - isolation.
Absorption (like the fabric and foam you mention) can be very helpful
in combination with other techniques.

A well constructed brick wall with sealing paint on both sides and maybe
sand on the inside is a good example of the mass principal.

A well constructed sheetrock wall is just as effective *if* *both*
the following features are added:
	a) Suspend one of the two sheetrock sides on "Resilient Channel"
	(available at better builder's supply stores).  This is the
	isolation principal in action - the RC isolates the sheetrock from
	direct contact with the studs.
	b) Fill the space between the studs with 3.5" fiberglass insulation.
	This is the absorption principal.  Me being no engineer either, I
	like to think of this as letting the fiberglass absorb the sound
	that's rattling around in the wall cavity.
Both the RC and fiberglass are required.

I suspect that the "doublewall construction with 6 inches of sand in
between" would be more effective than what I describe, but some people
have both floor space and cost considerations that would make this
prohibitive.

One other consideration, since I live in California.  I would think
that a rock/stud wall would be more flexible and less likely to be
damaged in an earthquake than a brick wall.  My rehearsal studio, which
I built using these methods, devoloped only one very easily patchable
six-inch crack in the 1989 Loma Prieta quake.

>I know that this isn't what you want to hear, but I wouldn't want to see you
>put a lot of work into something that isn't going to be effective.

Agreed!

		Bob

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From: brada@bardlover.Eng.Sun.COM (Brad Albom)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Toyota repair in or near Albany
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:49:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bardlover


Try Narasaki's in Richmond.

Not sure of exact address, but they should be in the phone book.

I've always found them to be fair.  Will never do work unless
it's really needed.  Only problem is that they're usually busy,
so call first to make an appointment.

-brad albom
email : brada@eng.sun.com - (In On Random Weekdays)
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From: pcd@otter.esd.sgi.com (Paul C. David)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:02:23 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Oct1.035641.7490@leland.Stanford.EDU>, eap@leland.Stanford.EDU |> >First of all, there's something to be said for dispensing with your
|> >quasi-racist "Jap" vernacular.  You might fool some people into thinking
|> 
|> Oh, if you can't  (intelligently) attack my arguement, then point the
|> finger at me and call me a racist..... too many so-called ameicans do that 
|> nowadays.

How intelligently should I attack your arguement (argument)?  And
I thought I was a good ameican (american).

At least you got racist correct.  Two points.

|> Dumping is NOT free enterprise. It's called Government intervention. Export
|> subsidies. And Voluntary Export restraints are no different- the Gov't 
|> sells high dollar licences to those companies "priveledged to export". 

Sounds a bit like our agricultural subsidies doesn't it?

|> Maybe US companies wouldn't need to do this if we weren't being attacked
|> from across the pacific, and dumb americans falling for it. Forty years
|> ago, when people actually cared about this country, it would have been
|> an outrage to buy a foreign car (as your first car). Now people think
|> it's trendy or something. If you don't like this country- leave- you're
|> not wanted. And if you don't like our products, then go work in a country
|> that you think is better. 

Ahem.  "Love it or leave it" hasn't really been in vogue for the last
twenty years or so.  It does make me curious as to why you are courting 
the feared Bubba-vote so fervently here in predominently non-Bubba
territory.

But really ... aren't you forgetting that our freedoms allow us to enjoy
a culture that is truly a sum of unique parts?  Each person with their
own culture, religion, beliefs, values, a work of art in their own right?
This gives you the right to spout your "Jap" hate song while I call
you racist.  Each coexisting in peace, with the right to disagree.  In
this country a David Duke can run for President while freedom of
choice people clash with Operation Rescue on the steps of the Georgia
capital, only several hours drive away from the NAACP march that the
Klan heckles, but does not prevent.

Your presumption that any of these people (or me) do not love our 
country (ergo want to affect change) is condescending and foolish.
But I'll still let you stay here even though you don't want to respect
my civil liberties.

-- 
Paul C. David 
Applications Consulting, Silicon Graphics Inc. 
pcd@esd.sgi.com 415 / 390-2144
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Floatation Bed for Sale
Summary: Selling bed
Keywords: For Sale Bed
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:21:45 GMT


Floatation bed (water mattress, platform and frame), queen
sized, nearly new, used in the guest room.  Santa Clara
area.  $125

--Friday                               "You have three option in this life:
   Carol Anne Ogdin, Principal Designer            Get sick,
   Deep Woods Technology                           Go crazy, or
     friday@netcom.com                             Ask for what you want!"
-- 
--Friday                               "You have three option in this life:
   Carol Anne Ogdin, Principal Designer            Get sick,
   Deep Woods Technology                           Go crazy, or
     friday@netcom.com                             Ask for what you want!"
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From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: ba.general,ba.music
Subject: Re: Sound Proofing
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:26:08 GMT
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies

In article <1992Oct1.045857.6216@PA.dec.com>, reid@pa.dec.com (Brian Reid) writes:

> One studio that I am familiar with uses
> a wooden doublewall construction with 6 inches of sand in between the 
> walls.

I assume this was to keep workshop sounds from annoying the neighbors.

A couple of things will help a little:

    -Double-glazed windows, and keep them shut.

    -Put up wallboard on the inside of the studs, if they're currently bare.
     You will probably have to finish the underside of the rafters as well.

    -Heavy single-piece main door, and solid side doors.

    -Seal *all* vents, openings, and cracks.  Try to put a weather-strip seal
     around all doors, including the bottom of the main door.  You've got 
     to get *every* opening.

    -Use a massiveworkbench that stands on concrete, free of exterior walls.

  
Real soundproofing requires double wall construction, or massive single
wall construction, or a combination of both.  If your ambition is hammer
out steel drums from oil barrels there's probably nothing you can
afford to do to keep the neighbors happy.


-- 
John Reece			"This lifeboat is full"	
Not an Intel spokesman 			- Neutral saying in WWII 
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 03:44:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.203054.28584@SSD.intel.com> wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.204408.12260@leland.Stanford.EDU>, eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>> TRUE AMERICANS BUY AMERICAN!
>>
>> Let those who buy imports lose their jobs first!
>>
>The responsibility of a consumer is to buy the best quality with the least
>cost.  If the said consumer also make/sell a product, then add another 
>responsibility of making sure the quality of the product is the best and the
>price most competitive.
>
>I am afraid, with your scenario, you may in short term save some jobs here,
>but lose your competitiveness in the long term.  Can USA prosper without
>selling its products and raw materials to other countries?  Can any country
>afford to do that in modern world?
>

Look beyond what you've read in your textbook- it's the REAL world ou there.
I think if you look at the example I posted, you'll be hard pressed to argue
that the american consumer didn't get screwed in the end. The Americans
that were too near-sighted to see what games were being played on them caused
economic hardship for ALL americans.

If you'd like to dispute what I posted (not my cute, or in your opinion,
not so cute signature), then do so.

-Eric


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From: gjackson@us.oracle.com (Gregg Jackson)
Newsgroups: ba.general,rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Auto repair San Mateo/Redwood city area
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:26:39 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Sep21.173928.28304@oracle.us.oracle.com> glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
>I have a VW rabbit '84 and would like to change the muffler.
>Can anyone recommend a place near to San Mateo/Redwood City,
>please?

Midas Muffler on El Camino Real down near Woodside Road. They replaced the 
muffler on my Toyota Camry a couple of years ago and they were prompt and
friendly. I didn't check out prices, but their price didn't seem to be too
high at the time.
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: pcd@otter.esd.sgi.com (Paul C. David)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Date: 4 Oct 92 06:53:44 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Oct3.013758.11004@leland.Stanford.EDU>, eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
|> I have no problem with freedoms that you wish to take. But when we're 
|> all getting economically taken advantage of, don't you think we should
|> wake up.  I consider myself a good american, and I hate to see others
|> destroy the country out of stupidity.
|>  
|> You talk about peace. I remember a professor with "Beyond War" or
|> somesuch group saying a few years ago that their concern was not
|> with the US/USSR cold war. They said that their concern was with
|> the US/JAPAN economic condition. He said when a nation is 
|> strangled by another (Fairly or unfairly), they tend to take
|> things to the battlefront (as history has shown). Anyway, he
|> said their primary concern (at that time) was this very subject.
|> 
|> Such an imbalance of trade cannot exist forever. Things won't
|> stay this happy forever. 

I don't think that you understand how what you say come across.  Your tipoff
could be that no one has rushed to your aid :*).

My intent was to address the silliness of your "Love it or leave it"
remark.  No doubt it was a purely emotional response.  I know you're
not capable of personal attack.  Except when speaking of Japanese
people.  But its OK ... unpopular views and insensitive racially
oriented remarks are not a crime here.  You're not by chance a 
proponent of the gentleman with the large ears are you?  I hesitate
to mention him by name as he might misinterpret that as a 'yes'
of sorts.

-- 
Paul C. David 
Applications Consulting, Silicon Graphics Inc. 
pcd@esd.sgi.com 415 / 390-2144
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 20:57:56 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Charnel House

eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
: >
: >Let's also not forget that US companies are guilty of exploiting a
: >foreign workforce which they perceive to be cheaper (maybe because of 
: >lax safety standards in these countries).  This also takes jobs away
: >from US workers.
: 
: Maybe US companies wouldn't need to do this if we weren't being attacked
: from across the pacific, and dumb americans falling for it.

Oh, get real.  It's not a question of 'needing' to do it at all.
If it improves the bottom line and they can get away with it, they'll
do it, pure and simple.  You're trying to make US companies look like
angels and companies 'across the pacific' look like devils.

: Forty years
: ago, when people actually cared about this country, it would have been
: an outrage to buy a foreign car (as your first car). Now people think
: it's trendy or something. If you don't like this country- leave- you're
: not wanted. And if you don't like our products, then go work in a country
: that you think is better. 

Why not just buy products which work well, and thereby give the US
companies a reason to get off their asses instead of trying to get
by on their reputations, earned long ago when they didn't have any
real competition?


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Xref: sparky ba.general:4131 misc.kids:24986 misc.legal:17993
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:19:31 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct2.180008.21720@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.154058.29552@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl) writes:
>>Let's be honest here.  The bottom line is that the parents of these
>>kids have failed in their role as parents, BUT that shouldn't make
>>you and I responsible for the acts of the hulligans they've raised.

>Children should not die for the failures of the parents.
>All you have to do is put a fence around your swimming pool.
>If it saves just one life, it's worth it.

Great. Let's outlaw cars, bicycles, mountain climbing, and require
everyone to purchase oxygen, a thumper, and a respirator. If it
saves just one life, it must be worth it... :-)


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: kens@eugene.net.com (Ken Smith)
Newsgroups: ba.general,ba.wanted
Subject: Computer Donation Info
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:45:04 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies


  I WANT TO GIVE MY EXTRA COMPUTERS TO A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION

..From time to time, I see postings from Non-Profit Organizations 
  looking for used and/or unwanted computer equipment. Typically,
   donation of such equipment yields an opportunity for a tax 
   write off as a charitable contribution. 

.. My question is this. Does anyone know of any local (bay area)
   organizations which can use used computer equipment. I have 
   a couple of CPM-based computers, software, printers..etc which
   I would love to give to an organization which can make good 
   use of them. 

.. If you know of any charitable organizations which may be in 
   need of this equipment, please take a couple seconds to send
   me an E-mail or give me a call. 

                                       Thanks!!

                                       ..//ken 
 
                      Internet Email address: kens@net.com
                                      Work #: (415) 780-5635         
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Auto mechanic stories?
Summary: anybody else heard this one?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:08:38 GMT

I took my Isuzu to Courtesy Chevrolet for cooling hose repairs, and
while it is quite possible everything was on the 'up and up',

it is also quite possible I cought them trying to rip me off.

I had a leaking water hose.  The car's five years old.  I said, let's just
replace _all_ the cooling water hoses.  I told the service writer how I
replaced one a year or so ago, and just felt I wanted to stop wondering
how long they'd last.  I talked to the service manager about Isuzu, because
they've only been handling the line a few months.  They said and did
appropriate things, and I felt I could trust them to do the work right.

Well, last night it was supposed to be ready.  The hose I replaced last
year was still there - I had plainly marked it!!!  Actually, it's more
complicated than just marking it, but you get the idea.  This one is under
the fuel injection system and a lot of parts have to be removed to get to
it, but it's only a little difficult to *see* it.

So I refuse to take it, and leave a message for the service manager.
In the morning, I go see him in person, and he, the writer, and a mechanic
give a convincing delivery of the following story:

   The mechanic who was first doing the work on my car was, on his own 
   time, helping out a friend with an overheating car.  He was scalded
   by the hot coolant, and has missed several days of work, having 
   some second-degree burns on his arms and perhaps elsewhere.  
   The mechanic who took over made some bad assumptions about what
   was already accomplished.

This is believable, though weak - the second mechanic is clearly at fault
here, but the big kicker is that I've heard essentially similar stories
twice before from places in two other states!!!! [Fort Worth, St. Louis]

Anybody have an 'injured mechanic' story to share?  Certainly there *are*
dangers to being an auto mechanic - I should know, I was one, and _not_
a very good one, but a long time ago.  If anyone has heard essentially
the same story from *this* dealer, then unless it was this week,
I've got more work to do.

When it's ready, I'm going to ask to see someone with recent burn scars,
so if they're scamming me *and* read the net, hey, guys, go burn yourselves!

Thanks for reading this far - if you have anything to share, email is fine,
of post if you prefer.

	Bob
	obrien@netcom.com

Newsgroups: ba.general
From: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway)
Subject: Re: Fry's -- Yet Another Bad Experience
Summary: Wait till next year ...
Reply-To: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 15:28:47 GMT

As the originator of this latest Fry's thread, I should report the
following.

The other day I got a phone message on my home answering machine from
Mike Queenan, manager of the Sunnyvale Fry's.  I talked with him this
morning, and he basically said the following.  (By the way, our
conversation was strictly about the tortuous "customer service" path
that I posted about.  We did *NOT* discuss re-shrinkwrapping or any of
the other issues that have been raised.)

First, they know they have a problem speeding people through the
layers of paperwork involved in an exchange; that's obvious to anyone.
His explanation for the layers of checking and approving were "to
protect the customer from receiving the wrong merchandise," rather
than the anti-shoplifting bent that I would have expected.  (This
matches up with another poster's comment that they seem to be more
worried about the honesty and competence of their own people than they
do about customers stealing stuff.)

Mike went on to mention that they have grown so much that they haven't
been able to keep their systems up to date enough, and in particular
they are clearly too manual now.  He stated that they are completely
redoing their in-store systems and that in the first quarter of '93
they should have a completely new system in place.  And in fact the
exchange process will be very close to what I wanted: a counter near
the entrance, the exchange is made, you leave.

Anyway, I was pleased with both the spirit of the response and the
content.  It will be interesting to see what happens next year.  I
still wouldn't go there to ask questions, but perhaps I'll give 'em
another shot when I know exactly what I want.  But I *WILL* check the
connectors before I leave! :-)

Finally, Mike asked if there was a way he could access "the BBS that I
posted to."  I explained that net news is not the same as a BBS, but
then I got to thinking that maybe ba.general is gatewayed to a BBS
somewhere.  Does anybody know of such an access mechanism?  I promised
Mike that I'd let him know if I find any way that he could participate
in the discussion.  Any advice will be much appreciated; thanks all.

    Wayne Hathaway               domain: wayne@Ultra.COM
    Ultra Network Technologies     uucp: ...!ames!ultra!wayne
    101 Daggett Drive             phone: 408-922-0100 x132
    San Jose, CA 95134              FAX: 408-433-9287
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