HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 1843eip@hickam-emh.af.mil (1843rd EI Group)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Administrivia...Whoops!
Date: 13 Apr 1992 01:19:02 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

>I just installed a new news system today on UCSD (where the internet
>gateway for these digests is located), and because of a minor typo in
>one file (forgot a negation sign), we dumped several hundred
>completely irrelevant messages into these digests.
 
>Humble apologies.  Arrgh!
 
>It will probably take a day for them to clear out.
 
Come now, Brian, we all know you better than that...it was a delayed-action
April Fool's joke, right?  Timed to go off just as everyone had grown weary
of this year's bumper crop of shenanigans...just to see if anyone would
notice the difference between high school students' ramblings and the usual
discourse on the group...
 
Judging from the lack of protestations, not many noticed...or cared...
 
;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)   (for the terminally humor-impaired)
 
>Ah well, as my school advisor used to say:
>        "Never make small mistakes.  The large ones are easier to spot."
 
Just like my HS band teacher..."if you're going to hit a clinker, hit it
loud enough for everyone to hear!"
 
73,
 
Jeff Miller    NH6ZW  AFA8JM
1843eip@hickam-emh.af.mil / nh6zw@uhm.ampr.org
 
And where are all these KH6's that are supposedly on the net, you ask?  I 
dunno, they never post anything...but let *me* make a post like this one,
you should hear them talk about me on the repeaters (right, Norm???)
 
Only 23 days left in paradise...then on to Dayton!

From: jpotts@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (John Potts)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:01:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Boycott Icom (fwd)
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

Lets give this stupid topic a rest.  If its one thing I have
learned sense becoming a ham 3 yrs ago is that you have to
put up with all of this BS in order to enjoy the hobby.  I
really have not found a group that cries so much.  Its a
wonder that anybody puts up with us.

73's

Have A Happy Day

John Potts, kb6wgl

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: rossi@gvlf8-m.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Rossi)
Subject: Re: Can't get 10 year old radio fixed, was Re: Boycott Icom
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:29:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.132958.22933@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> whs70@dancer.UUCP () writes:
>In article <N5B8iB1w164w@ham> ham!emd@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>>beyo@beyonet.UUCP (Steve Urich) writes:
>>Come on guys, be realistic. I think it's real nice if a company supplies 
>>parts for a radio made ten years ago, but dumping all your ICOM gear 
>>because they don't still have parts for one is silly. Try going down to 
>>the Chevy dealer and ask for a spare part for your Corvair. On the other 
>>hand, if enough dummies read his post and want to sell their perfectly 
>>good radios, we all oughta be able to buy 'em real cheap.....
>
>While I can't buy a Corvair part from the local GM dealer, there are
>many places that supply such parts today.  If the original poster is correct,
>
>It is an interesting aside that there are many pre-solid state 
>equipments that can be kept working well, yet we have here a situation
>where a ham has a radio that isn't all that old, it is a very
>usable radio for anyone that might have it, yet it can't be fixed because
>of the failure of a unique component that the manufacturer can't or won't
>provide.  That's NOT very good public relations for ICOM.

With the "throw away" attitude that most manufacturers have these days, I 
wonder how many of today's fancy super digital radios will still be
running 15-20 years from now.  How many will be junked all because some
simple but unique component (eg. custom chip) fails.  

I remember hearing somewhere that somebody made a digital radio a few years
ago that had the custom microprocessor code stored in battery backed up RAM !!
If this is true, then what is someone supposed to do when the battery fails
10 years from now and the program is lost..  You end up with a 25 pound
pile of useless iron and silicon.

Stuff today is not made to be fixed...  Period.

=================================================================
Pete Rossi - WA3NNA                  rossi@gvlf8.gvl.unisys.com

Paramax Systems Corporation - a Unisys Company
Electronic Systems - Valley Forge Labs - Paoli, Pennsylvania
=================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: herbertw@ecs.comm.mot.com (DX524 Herbert Wolf)
Subject: How to make a mobile radio portable ?
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:03:22 GMT

I am looking for an aftermarket product to
change a mobile radio in a portable radio.

Especially I am interested in converting
a Motorola Spectra Radio into a portable
radio, by adding batteries, a speaker and 
a charger ( 12 V and 110 V ).

Any help out there ?

Thank You.    

Herbert Wolf, PA3CNL




-- 



Herbert Wolf, SmartZone Trunking, Land Mobile Product Sector
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: waco@cbnewse.cb.att.com (john.l.broughton)
Subject: Re: International Ham-related Chain Letters
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:18:39 GMT


In article <1992Apr6.200739.8189@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>rab@hal.cwru.edu

>(Roger Bielefeld)
>Nntp-Posting-Host: hal.cwru.edu
>
>Today I received a QSL from a JW station I worked
>in January.  Enclosed was a chain letter asking
>me to send $1 to each name on a list of four hams,
>put my name & address on the end, and to send
>20 copies to other hams.  The usual chain letter
>thing, except that it involves hams.
>
>Does this occur often?  Curiously, all four names
>on the list had addresses in the CIS: three in
>Russia and one in Tadjikistan.  BTW, the op for
>the JW expedition was a Russian.
>
>73, Roger AA8DV
>
>--
>Roger Bielefeld     Case Western Reserve University
>rab@hal.cwru.edu    Cleveland, Ohio  USA

I have had a similar experience when I received a QSL from a ham in Sri Lanka.
The chain letter had been started by a U.S. ham and it appeard he had some
kind of retail business.  Chain letters are illegal in the U.S., but I have
no idea of laws in other countries.  This had come a short time before an
FCC engineer came out to my house for the power test they had last year (they
asked for a handful of volunteers to make a QSO, observe the signal reports,
cut power by half and again observe signal reports).  I simply turned the
letter over to him for the FCC to follow up on.  I wouldn't have done so
if it wasn't for all the information on the U.S. ham who had started it and
bragged how much money he received.


73,
John L. Broughton WB9VGJ
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From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RF Design, April 1992, Table of Contents
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:22:20 EDT
Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp.


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From: pturner@eng.auburn.edu ( Patton M. Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: On the durability of ham HT's and comm
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:06:07 GMT
Reply-To: pturner@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

In article 1793@ke4zv.uucp, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article <72453@netnews.upenn.edu> yee@mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee) writes:
>>It is well known that commercial HT's (e.g. Motorola) are much sturdier
>>than ham HT's (e.g. Yaesu, ICOM).  My question is why?
>
>Because commercial users buy radios for hard headed business reasons.
>They don't care about wideband scanning, playing tunes, or tucking them
>inside their wristwatches. They just want rugged radios that work and
>work for years and years. Hams want the sizzle while business users insist
>on the steak. Icom makes very competitive business HTs as well as their
>ham sizzlers. If you want one, buy an Icom G series ham HT. You'll pay
>more for fewer features, but it'll work and work and work....
>
>Gary KE4ZV

I couldn't agree more. I've owned a handful of Radius's, an H16, several jobcom's
and 2 ham HT's (a 32AT and an 02AT).  The land moble rigs were purchased for
contracting and have been subjected to more abuse than I can think of.  One was
dropped 20 feet onto the window of a truck, and still worked.  That is what 
people such as myself pay for.  A radius P-200 costs as much as my 32AT but has
only has a few channels, no digital display, not DTMF pad, is single banded,
etc.  If memory serves me, my 32AT has 21 different controls, and a Radius P-200
has 4 (vol, sq, PL on/off, channel).

If signifigant numbers of people were willing to pay for industrial quality
equipiment, then we would see Milwaukee power tools at Walmart, Bird and Fluke 
meters at Rat Shack, and Motorola HT's at HRO.  Most people don't want or need 
this extra quality, and are content with the consumer grade of products.  Those
who aren't can purchase their products from industrial dealers.


Pat Turner    pturner@eng.auburn.edu     KB4GRZ
From: beyo@beyonet.UUCP (Steve Urich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Boycott Icom (fwd)
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:05:08 GMT
Organization: Beyonet Network

whs70@dancer.UUCP () writes:

>Another aspect is that ICOM could easily hand off any stock
>of the needed proprietary chips, ICs, etc to some outside
>repair service so the ICOM equipment could still be maintained.
>That is done by other industry players in many fields.
>
	What you say here Bill has already been done by a very old CB
	manufacturer namely Browning. The Browning GoldenEagle Bases
	still have a place where you can buy the parts in N.H. Some
	guy bought up all the parts and is still selling them. 

	That will never happen with Icom but at least they can give 
	some other company the right to sell the micros and Final
	modules for old Icom radios.

	I had a Yaesu FT-101E for 12 years before I sold it and I
	could still buy parts for it. 

	Steve

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From: seanp@undr.org (Sean Petty)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Yaesu Parts #?
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:35:37 GMT
Reply-To: Sean Petty <undr!seanp@gvls1.GVL.Unisys.COM>
Followup-To: poster
Organization: The Underground - Pennsylvania


        Can anyone provide me with the number to order a service manual
        from Yaesu?  The last phone number I have is 1-800-999-2070 and
        seems to be no good.

        Any help is greatly appreciated.

        Sean

---
Sean Petty                           undr!seanp@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM
ICBMnet: 39'58'12"N 75'84'26"W       seanp@undr.org
From: Douglas_R._Tice.LAX1B@xerox.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: V63JC
Date: 14 Apr 1992 08:25:36 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu


Does someone have the QSL information on this call (V63JC)?  I understood the
QSL mgr to be something like KC6JC but I can't find that either.  Thanks.
73

Doug KK6OU
From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:43:13 GMT
Subject: Re: On the durability of ham HT's and commercial HT's
Organization: HP Network Measurements Div, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, yee@mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee) writes:

>In article <1992Apr3.163109.5497@linus.mitre.org> m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White) writes:
>>Conway Yee writes:
>>> It is well known that commercial HT's (e.g. Motorola) are much sturdier
>>> than ham HT's (e.g. Yaesu, ICOM).  My question is why?
>>
>>Simple: price.  Commercial HTs cost two or three times ham units, and 
>>generally have far fewer features at that.  The police/fire/rescue guys 
>>need units that will stand up to phenomenal abuse: impact, heat, water, 
>>.357 magnum bullets, etc... and still work.  Hams don't need, and 
>>generally arent' willing to pay for, that kind of reliability.
...
>The question I have been asking, and everybody has not answered is:
>What is the actual cost of making a rugged HT?  The use of heavy steel
>in the case, the use of proper seals to prevent water damage, etc, etc
>can't be so expensive as to double or triple the price of the HT.  The
>extra design and testing to insure durability may affect the cost but
>two or three times?  

I used to work for R. L. Drake Company who used to make Amateur as
well as commercial (Marine) equipment.  The SPR-4 shortwave receiver
was brought out in an FCC-certified commercial version (I think it was
called the SSR-4) for a much higher price.  The only difference I
recall was the front panel and cabinet.  Most of the difference in
price was due to the additional testing required to prove that it
met FCC specs.  

AL N1AL

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: spinnefm@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Re: Ramsey Elect. 2-meter amps
Reply-To: spinnefm@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:59:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.015217.17266@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, template@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Template Account) writes:
>In article <Apr.6.14.32.50.1992.12856@pilot.njin.net> furr@pilot.njin.net  
>(Grover Furr) writes:
>> 
>> 	I've been thinking of getting the Ramsey PA-10 2m power amp,
>> which advertises 10x power amplification. Ramsey also sells a kit, the
>> PA-1, a power amp with 8x amplification. 
>> 
>> If anybody know anything about these amps -- either from experience,
>> hearsay, or reviews (where? , please post the info. You could also
>> e-mail it to me, but this might be of more general interest.
>
>On the PA-1:
>Well, I have one on order, so it should arrive this week. I have spoken to  
>a few friends about the kit, and we are also interested on its  
>performance. As soon as I get mine assembled, I will let you know. The  
>word from the grapevine is that it is a nice piece of equipment, but this  
>is all third hand.
>
>N9OPG
>Michael Brown
>brownmd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu 

The radio club here at Rose built one (I did) a few years back.
They work, but make sure you follow these rules:

Ues the shortest possible leads on the RF components
Make the coils exactly as shown.
Use a larger heatsink than they call for.  (an old 2-3 TO3 case unit works)
BE REALLY CAREFUL NOT TO OVER TIGHTEN THE SD1272 (RF trans)... IT WILL
BREAK!

good luck.

Fred M. Spinner, KA9VAW
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Benton Harbor Lunch Box...Gonset
From: isoper@matrix.cs.wright.edu
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:05:13 EDT
Organization: Wright State University College of Engineering and Computer Science
Nntp-Posting-User: isoper

Along the same lines as the Benton Harbor Lunchbox series, does anyone
remember the Gonset Communicator series and their SSB version the Sidewinder.

I think they were actually BHLB's they had grown up slightly, they had the
same general shape but, weighed about 50 to 60 pounds. There was a 10, 6 and
2 meter versions of the Communicators. The only Sidewinder I saw was at 
a field day in 1969 that the Dayton Amatuer Radio Assoc. sponsored, it was
a SSB rig running about 25 to 50 watts. I am not sure that this version was
for any other band than 2 meters.


73, Wes Soper WB8CEH
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: harp@bnr.ca (Alan Harp)
Subject: Funny calls
Keywords: Funny calls
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:54:52 GMT

OK OK I can't resist anymore.  How about UR1LID.
73s didahdidahdit

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* Alan Harp K4PB     *     Bell-Northern Research      *   CW FOREVER      *
* mail: harp@bnr.ca  *   Research Triangle Park, NC    *                   *
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV)
Subject: Re: Boycott Icom (fwd)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:41:37 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Department of Electrical Engineering

In article <1992Apr15.132336.23715@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> tlc20700@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas L. Carney) writes:
>I've worked for a large Japanese company for four years.  I worked in
>repair, field support, and documentation.  The Japanese consider after-s
>ales support to be a necessary evil, not an investment in the future.

Ironic isn't it, that the Japanese use the excuse: "No long term service or
support" as the reason for not buying USA made products!

Chuck Harris - WA3UQV
From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Re: On the durability of ham HT's and commercial HT's
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 16:31:09 GMT

Conway Yee writes:
> It is well known that commercial HT's (e.g. Motorola) are much sturdier
> than ham HT's (e.g. Yaesu, ICOM).  My question is why?

Simple: price.  Commercial HTs cost two or three times ham units, and 
generally have far fewer features at that.  The police/fire/rescue guys 
need units that will stand up to phenomenal abuse: impact, heat, water, 
.357 magnum bullets, etc... and still work.  Hams don't need, and 
generally arent' willing to pay for, that kind of reliability.

Mike, N4PDY
************************
* These are my opinions only.*
************************
From: BACS Data Communications Group <commgrp@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Dayton Hamvention map coordinates wanted
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:41:35 GMT

>In article <1992Apr15.065409.215812@cs.cmu.edu> rwb@boxcar.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert
> Berger) writes:
>>
>>Can someone post or email me the latitude and longitude of the
>>Dayton Hamvention, to at least 0.1 minute accuracy? I want to try
>>my Loran on the drive, displaying distance and ETA as I go.
>>
>>rwb@cmu.edu

>Well the Geographic Server just came up with the following coordinates...
>
>		39 44 32 North
>		84 11 30 West
>
>I hope that helps...
>					73 de Bob, N8MMR


That's probably the coordinates of downtown Dayton.

Dara Arena, Dayton Hamfest LORAN coordinates:

     N 39 deg 49.45'  W 84 deg 15.64'

I think I measured this location in the unpaved parking area north of 
the flea market.  My receiver was calibrated, so the location should 
be accurate within 0.1'.


The ultimate disaster:  Tornado sucks up the Dayton flea market, 
survivors try to save the day by using ham radio.

--

Frank Reid  W9MKV     reid@ucs.indiana.edu

"Hams across the water, hams across the sky..."
                                     -- P. McCartney's DXpediton song.
From: beyo@beyonet.UUCP (Steve Urich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How many green stamps with some QSLs?
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:54:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Beyonet Network

jeffj@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (jeffrey.n.jones) writes:
>I was listening to the Indexa net last night on 14.256 and they mentioned
>that it took more then 1 green stamp for return postage from Germany. I know
>that it takes more then one from Brazil now but that's the first I've heard
>of that. What other countries does it take more then a dollar for return
>postage. I guess I could use the the new IRC's  but green stamps are much 
>easier for me to use. Thanks for any info here! 

	I guess thats because the Almighty dalla is falling on its face in
	Germany. 

	I Friend of mine told me about this guy from NJ who also was a ham
	made friends with another ham down in Belize (South of Mexico).
	He visited there a few times and decided to move down and live there.
	He used to ask for a Green Stamp for his QSLs and also got IRCs.
	He must have gotten 300-350 QSLs a week down there and thats how
	he made a living with the Greenstamps that other Hams would send
	him :-). 

	It just goes to show you that Geography DOES have alot to do with
	living expenses. He was treated like he was a millionare. I could
	tell you some more stories like giving a kid a dollar or two to
	string up an HF dipole.

Steve
-- 
 ############### Stephen Urich WB3FTP |"Starlightbeams project ###############
 ##|_|########## Bensalem, PA  USA    |me in Red Blue and Green##|_|##########
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 ##    |_|    ## widener!beyonet!beyo |--Alan Parsons Project  ##    |_|    ##
 ##           ##-----------------------------------------------##           ##
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From: Iain_Philipps.BRidge_House@rxuk.xerox.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for contactcs ...
Date: 12 Apr 1992 06:49:16 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
Reply-To: Iain_Philipps.Bridge_House@rxuk.xerox.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

Folks,

I'd like to correspond with any netlanders who are resident in either (or both
of :-) northern Spain or southern France (for Spain, particularly the Catalan
region, and for France, particularly dept. 66)


Any takers?


     -     Iain, G8SJP / G0RDI
From: brown@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Pat R. Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Re: Benton Harbor Lunch Box...Gonset
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:21:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpspkla.30690006
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.

W6AM

de Pat N7KRG