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From: kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Cracked Tooth, what to do?
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:01:00 GMT
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In article <1992Nov10.195611.7729@digi.lonestar.org>, trsharp@digi.lonestar.org (Tracy Sharp) writes...
>Hi Netters!  This is my first post so please bear with me.  I am having a
>hard decision and could use some help, advise, and maybe experience stories.
> 
>I found a hole in my dog's upper canine molar.  After seeing a specialist, the
>options open to me are extraction or a root canal.  The root canal being
>almost 3x as much in cost.  My dog is 10 1/2 and is expected to live another
>4-8 years based on his parents health.  If he were much younger, I would
>definitely go for the root canal, but at 10, I am confused, how much does he
>really need this tooth?  Am I being cruel thinking that we can take care of it
>by just pulling the tooth?  
> 
>Has anyone had root canals done on their dog's teeth?  If so, how did it turn
>out and how old was your dog when you had it done?

My Springer had a root canal done on one of his lower canines.  I work at a vet
clinic so all it cost me was a cherry cheesecake!:-)  He was 5 years old at the
time.  If you have the money, I would recommend getting the root canal done.
I don't think the tooth bothers Ruger at all now, he sure eats everything and 
anything! 
............................................................................
Kathy Greenwood                | Mom to 
Math Major (believe it or not!)|   Loucha and Landry (Belgian Sheepdogs)
University of Oklahoma         |   Ruger (English Springer Spaniel)
                               |   Elsa (German Wirehair Pointer)
.............................................................................
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From: walkepl@auducadm.duc.auburn.edu (Paula Walker)
Subject: Re: Are there any coyotes in Georgia?
Organization: Auburn University
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 19:29:13 GMT

In article <2AF46835.21288@news.service.uci.edu> robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Robin Bush) writes:
>From: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Robin Bush)
>Subject: Are there any coyotes in Georgia?
>Date: 1 Nov 92 23:28:53 GMT



>This is sort of a dog question: My Peterson's Field Guide to the Mammals  
>has a big question mark over the southeast US on the range map of the  
>coyote.  Anybody from down that way know if their range extends into  
>Georgia?

>----------------------------------------------------------
>Robin 

Yes, it sure does.  We are seeing more and more coyotes each year.

Paula
walkepl@auducadm.auburn.edu
From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: What books are good?
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:59:41 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino

Grettings everyone,

I'd be interested in hearing which dog books you think are really good,
and I am most interested in books that deal with obedience training and
dog psychology/behavior.

I recommend The Weekend Dog by Myrna Milani (published by Bantam books, and is
available from any bookstore for about $5.00 (US) in paperback.  The store will
probably have to order it for you, but that's easy to do.  This is a must-read
book for anyone who has or wants a dog, and who works full time.  It deals with
all the issues of training and disciplining a dog when you are not even there
most of the time.  It is the first place I had heard about crating, which I am
now a proponent of....

Don't Shoot the Dog by Karen Pryor (also in paperback) is very very good.  It
discusses all the principals behind positive and negative reinforcemnet and
how living things learn.  It is not just about training dogs, it is about
training anything.  It's very easy to read and is both informative and 
entertaining.

What have you read that's really good?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews)
Subject: Re: Collies in an apartment
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:45:30 GMT

>In article 
><1992Nov5.1[DDD902.5008@pencom.com>, diane@starfish (Diane Harvey) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> I really like big dogs, but I have an apartment.  The apartment is 1100  
>> square feet, 2-stories, with a 5x10, 6-foot high fenced, concrete patio  
>> off the back door.  We are on the ground level with a grassy yard and tree  
>> outside our front door.  However, the surroundings are city-like.  I was  
>> thinking of walking/running the dog at a nearby park and our hike/bike  
>> trail.  I am willing to take it out for walks twice a day and can come  
>> home for lunch while it is a puppy.
>> 
>> I really like Collies and I have read that they are relatively inactive  
>> indoors.  Does anybody have any experience with Collies indoors or in an  
>> apartment?  If anyone can reccommend another large (over 45 pounds) breed  
>> that might do well in my situation I would be grateful!  I am also looking  
>> for a smart dog that I can train easily.  Initially I liked German  
>> Shepherds, but I think they need a yard and lots of space, although I have  
>> heard of people having them in apartments.  Any comments? Thanks!
>> 
>>
>> Diane Harvey
>> diane@pencom.com

I have two collies that are mostly outdoors.  When they come inside, however,
they are not that rambunctious.  I can't tell you if that's because they chase
each other around during the day, or because they choose to be mellow.  At any
rate, they usually tour the house to make sure that it's the same way they 
left it last time they were inside, then they lie down and watch or fall
asleep.  Don't know if this helps or not.

Was it in this newsgroup that i read that dogs and cats generally need more
sleep than humans?  The study had concluded that they are more closely related
to wild predators, and how much energy predators use, and i don't remember
much of the rest.
From: james.cromarty@nitelog.com (James Cromarty) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: BUMPER STICKER AWARD
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:28:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096
Reply-To: james.cromarty@nitelog.com (James Cromarty) 

What can you tell me about the pot bellied pigs. I am thinking of
getting one. Do they smell, how clean are they? Are you happy with it as
a pet. The wife is a little skeptical. I think they seem kinda
interesting. Any assitance would be appreciated.
From: kmoser@mail.boi.hp.com (Kathy_Moser)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Leaking Dog
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:57:04 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

: My Raven had this problem, for exactly the reasons Kathy stated.  My vet
: put Raven on Dexatrim.  The chemical in it that (supposedly) eases hunger
: in humans actually causes a dog's urethral muscles to constrict.  Some
: dogs only needs a pill a couple of times a week, but Rave needs one at
: least 5 days a week.  But it has stopped the leaking, and she's kept
: her girlish figure :-) !  It's also a lot cheaper than DES.

I question the "cheaper than DES" part.  From our vet DES is about 50 cents
a pill.  We started at one every 4 days for a cost of about $3.50 per month.
We are now down to two a month.  The vet's lab only needs one a month.  After
being on DES awhile, some dogs can be weaned altogether.  How cheap is
Dexatrim at 5 pills per week?

					Kathy Moser
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Breeding is most important for top working dogs...
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:57:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.223150.6967@pony.Ingres.COM>
   jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
 
>Chris Barnes asks:
>> why is there some animals (within
>> a species) that trainers will get NO results with?
>
>And have you stopped beating your wife?
>
>Motion to divide the question, as Roberts rules would
>put it.  I challenge the assumptions made by either
>question.
 
Tell me, have you always been an idiot, or is this a new development?
It's a rare person who appears to not have any clue as to proper
ways to debate/discuss/argue an issue.  You are such a person
(as I believe other people have already stated).
 
 
>I have yet to meet an untrainable animal.
>So has the scientific literature.
 
Go back and reread the statement.  I DID NOT say untrainable (as in
totally).  I did say unable to train to the point to get results.
I also noticed you convienantly ignored my last statement (breeding
and training are both required - one without the other is useless).
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   Duck hunting is not a matter of
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |   of life and death.  It's much
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   more important than that!
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kahinkle@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle)
Subject: Airline crate for sale
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: CSO Resource Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:31:19 GMT

I have an airline crate that was used once for about 3 hours, and now I no 
longer have a use for it.  Opal was shipped from my sister's house to me, 
but I now have this brand new crate and don't need it.

The price was $85, so I guess I'll ask about $75.  If you make me an offer
that sounds reasonable, it's yours, though.  The price isn't set in stone.

I live in Champaign, Illinois, so it depends on how far you're willing to   
travel if you want.  It can also be mailed to you, but, sorry, at your cost.

Let me know if you're interested.  You can email me here or call me at 
359-8635.

Kelly
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Re: Rotties and training different types of dogs
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:29:36 GMT

> sarah@albnyvms.bitnet writes:
> I eventually (within a few years after the puppy being a dog) plan to bring
> home a black lab - I have my heart set on a female of each and the local
> doog grooming place's owner has that and says they are wonderful together.
> I jjjust am afraid that even though the Lab is easier to train, I'd get too
> sloppy or lazy to deal with a Rottie after that, whereas I'd already have
> the good habits from the Rottie to deal with the lab.


I wouldn't worry about this, I've found with my two current dogs that I'vee
become very good at switching personalities to deal with the other dog at a
moments notice. I have a dobie and a pug, one fairly hard at least in the
first 3 years, the other an absolute marshmellow. I think you can't be sloppy
or lazy no matter what sort of dog you train, 'cos you always have to
maintain your consistency and you always have to enforce obedience to your
commands, the thing you learn is to really tailor your corrections to the
type of dog you are dealing with. I've actually found that since I got my
pug, I have learned to be softer with my dobie while still dealing with him
as effectively as ever, rather than the other way around.

--
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *  Pride, where wit fails, steps in to our
defense,
Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca     And fills up all the mighty void of sense.
or:      a4080@mindlink.bc.ca                   - from Alexander Pope's
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *                            An Essay On
Criticism
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin J. Thommes)
Subject: Re: Collies in an apartment
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:23:55 GMT

diane@starfish (Diane Harvey) writes:

>I really like big dogs, but I have an apartment.  The apartment is 1100  
>square feet, 2-stories, with a 5x10, 6-foot high fenced, concrete patio  
>off the back door.  We are on the ground level with a grassy yard and tree  
>outside our front door.  However, the surroundings are city-like.  I was  
>thinking of walking/running the dog at a nearby park and our hike/bike  
>trail.  I am willing to take it out for walks twice a day and can come  
>home for lunch while it is a puppy.

>I really like Collies and I have read that they are relatively inactive  
>indoors.  Does anybody have any experience with Collies indoors or in an  
>apartment? 

I live in an apartment on campus that is much smaller than yours, and I
don't have the advantage of haing a fenced patio outside either.  I have
a male collie mix who weighs about 70lbs.  I walk him around the bldg to
relieve himself about 4 times a day, although he *could* manage 3 times
a day...but I dont want to take a chance with my carpets!!  I also
walk him once a day in a big, fenced-in baseball park near the apt.  I let
him loose and so he gets to run around as much as he wants for about 1/2
hour on average.  Even though I have also heard that collies are mellow
indoors, he isnt always..he likes to play with his toys and gets bored
easily (or if he thinks Im not paying enough attention to him).  When I
can't get him out to the park for more than a day, he gets really restless
and paces the floors and bothers people.  But he does ok on his current 
"exercise" schedule.  I would think that since you have a fenced patio, you
could theoretically put the dog out there a couple times a day too, so it
could run around a little bit.  I would definitely recommend taking it on
long walks though.


--
From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Cocker Spaniel - Looking for Info.
Date: 6 Nov 1992 20:58:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Two points:  First, I just received this latest issue of DOG FANCY and
Cockers are the cover dog.  These articles usually do a pretty nice job
with background, etc on the the cover breed.

Second, you don't necessarily need to find hunting stock to find smart
Cockers.  A lady I know here in Cincinnati has parti-color American Cockers
that are both brred champions and obedience trained.  She works dogs all
the way up to the UD-level so her dogs are NOT slouches.  Brains and beauty
in a nice-size package.

Gail

In a previous article, feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman) says:

>desouza@asmara.berkeley.edu (Paulo de Souza) writes:
>
>
>>a DOG!
>
>>but in some conversations I had with friends at work, they tell me that
>>Cockers are the most STUPID dogs you can get!
>
>Sort of.  They CAN be the most stupid dogs you can get.  They used to
>be hunting dogs, and you may find a cocker with a soft mouth or some 
>other useful characteristic.  However IF the dog has little or no
>hunters among its parents and grandparents and even great-granprts.,
>it may not have the intellegence or drive of its distant ancestors
>(much less be able to hunt).
>
>If you want a cocker, call around (around the whole country, that is)
>and find a breeder who is reputable and breeds smart dogs.
>
>Since you've only seen pictures, though, you'd probably be better off
>with some other breed that is bred locally by a professional breeder.
>They are all cute, and you have to see them to get a feel for a
>breed's personality.
>
>Damon
>
>-- 
>Damon Feldman                  feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu
>
-- 
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From: mattera@rtsg.mot.com (Michael Mattera)
Subject: Re: DOG IS SICK
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:40:06 GMT

sounds like he swallowed something that is causing a blockage. Did the vet
take an XRAY? A rock takes a long time to pass, and may cause a lot of damage
if it was large. Some dogs get a twist in their bowels that requires surgery
to correct.

					mike
From: cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Itchy & Scratchy (beware brewer's yeast)
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:17:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

Since the recommendation to feed brewer's yeast to dogs is now going around,
I just want to reiterate what I experienced (and posted about) with my 13.5
year old Dane/Lab/Shepherd mix, Nova, earlier this year.

The background is that Nova's back legs had become noticeably weaker this
year, and that I have another dog who is allergic to fleas.  Because of
brewer's yeast's reputation as a flea repellent, I started giving it to both
of them with their food, following the "dosage" recommendations on the
label.  Nova is a big dog so she got a lot.

With a short time, her legs had become so weak that she was falling
frequently on walks and they trembled violently even when she stood still.  I
never associated this with the brewer's yeast until I happened to read a
posting on sci.med asking whether b.y. could exacerbate arthritis (I never
saw an answer).  That made me wonder whether it could be having an effect on
Nova.  I stopped giving it to her immdiately and within a couple of weeks her
legs had improved dramatically.  She's now returned to her pre-b.y.
condition and is pretty demanding of walks for an old dog!

I can't say that proves that brewer's yeast is potentially dangerous to give
a dog, and it has occurred to me that maybe I was should have reduced the
amount because of her age.  But it's something to be aware of.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 22:56:01 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: HELP: about to lose my dog
Comment-To: Kathleen_Lossau@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  Here's a solution to your grumpy Chow- have her teeth pulled. This
may be extreme, but it will save her life.  So you have to soak her
dog food before you feed her, big deal.
  I'm sad to hear about you being so severely bitten.  You are wrong
to attempt to send this dangerous animal to a different home and
family.  Someone else could be hurt, and you would be responsible. You
knew Majic was dangerous.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
From: lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 17:56:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Digging Trouble
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

My Samoyed likes to dig and disciplining did not seem to help.
So, I switched to filling the holes with her poop and then 
covering it up with dirt.  This has been quite effective, her
digging has curtailed greatly.  This was a lot of work at
first, but now she digs only rarely - usually when she
requires more attention.

The theory (I read this idea) is that the dog will dig there
again (fresh dirt is very appealing) and run into its own 
poop - they hate that.  Soon the dog will begin to think
that everywhere it digs there is dog poop.  Yuck.  So, stop
digging!

Good luck!
Lou
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: obedience training - where?
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:26:04 GMT
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Distribution: usa
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine

In <1618@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson) writes:

>Run, don't walk, to your newsagent/bookstore for the 1993 DOGS USA
>Annual.  Cost is $5.95. Contains great articles, beautiful photos, a
>list of breeders throughout the US and Canada for nearly every breed,
>PLUS a list of obedience trainers, by state.  This publication (by
>the folks who bring you Dog Fancy) should be in every dog-owner's
>library.

>Cindy, would you include in the reference FAQ?

Yowsa, will indeed.  In fact, I'd squirreled it away before reaching
this part of the message... ;-)

Question: do they put out a new version every year or if not, how often?


--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all ten parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
From: dbwebe@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: What dog to get?
Date: 3 Nov 92 13:59:40 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1585@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson) writes:
>>In article <24740063@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, chsu@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Christine
> Hsu) writes:
>>|> My current situation is that I'm living in an apartment, have a
>>|> fenced patio which is about 10'x15', and the fence is around 6'
>>|> tall.  I would like to get a dog which is not too stubborn, is not 
>>|> too shy with strangers, not hyper-active (like Golden Retriever puppies),
>>|> doesn't bark too much, and can handle apartment living.  
>>|>................ 

>>|> -Christine
>>|>  chsu@corp.hp.com


	This is almost the exact description I received for the perfect
	home for ex-racing grayhounds when I was looking into getting 
	one. They are quiet, loving dogs that do NOT need the great deal
	of exercise which is apparently a common fallacy. From the pictures
	I saw, they are beautiful dogs.

	Debbie

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From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Re: Cocker Spaniel - Looking for Info.
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-2779]: thor
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:16:27 GMT

desouza@asmara.berkeley.edu (Paulo de Souza) writes:


>a DOG!

>but in some conversations I had with friends at work, they tell me that
>Cockers are the most STUPID dogs you can get!

Sort of.  They CAN be the most stupid dogs you can get.  They used to
be hunting dogs, and you may find a cocker with a soft mouth or some 
other useful characteristic.  However IF the dog has little or no
hunters among its parents and grandparents and even great-granprts.,
it may not have the intellegence or drive of its distant ancestors
(much less be able to hunt).

If you want a cocker, call around (around the whole country, that is)
and find a breeder who is reputable and breeds smart dogs.

Since you've only seen pictures, though, you'd probably be better off
with some other breed that is bred locally by a professional breeder.
They are all cute, and you have to see them to get a feel for a
breed's personality.

Damon

-- 
Damon Feldman                  feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Breeding is most important for top working dogs...
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:30:00 GMT

Sue Utter Honig writes:
> please post references to the "relevant science" that does not
> support this

Sure.  Start with any first year EAB text.  If you're more
interested, courses are available at Cornell.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com