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From: greg@mobius.viewlogic.com (Gregory Larkin)
Subject: How to calculate % of max heart rate?
Originator: greg@mobius
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:23:59 GMT


Hi there,

I just purchased a heart rate monitor and would like to
calculate the correct target zone.  I have seen 2 formulas
for doing this and I was wondering if anyone know what the
"right" one is?

The first one is simple:

	      current heart rate
	% = ---------------------
	        max heart rate

So if I have a maximum heart rate of 195, 60% = 117 bpm
and 90% = 175.5 bpm.  This seems to be a pretty wide
range.


I have also seen a formula like this:


 	      current heart rate - resting pulse
	% = ---------------------------------------
                max heart rate - resting pulse

Assuming a maximum HR of 195 and a resting pulse of 50, 
this gives 60% = 137 and 90% = 180.5.  This seems more
reasonable to me.

Does anyone have any advice on this?  Also, is 60-90%
the generally recommended "target zone" range?

Thanks!




-- 
              Greg Larkin, Software Engineer, Waveform Analysis
                 Viewlogic Systems, Inc.  Marlboro, MA 01752
                            greg@Viewlogic.COM
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cas@bjerknes.colorado.edu (Cathy Smith)
Subject: Noric Track and tendonitis
Organization: NOAA Climate Research Division
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:36:13 GMT

I'm about to get a Nordic Track so that I can get some exercise while
recovering from a bad case of illiotibular tendonitis in both knees.
I was wondering if anybody who uses the Nordic Track has gotten this
type of tendonitis from it or if anyone who had that form of
tendonitis has benefitted  from the Nordic Track.

Has anyone gotten any other kind of overuse syndrome from using it?

Thanks

Cathy Smith
cas@noaacrd.colorado.edu


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Xref: sparky misc.fitness:9740 rec.food.veg:12421
From: poulin@violet.ccit.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Hidden Fat In Packaged Foods
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:25:19 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Nntp-Posting-User: poulin

In article <1993Jan22.191338.17273@wam.umd.edu>, sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
> I have a story that should amuse the fat/calorie counters among the group.
> 
> As part of my efforts to avoid turning into a blob as I get older I
> limit my fat intake to 20-30g per day in addition to exercising.
> 
> I work at a health food store on campus most of the day where I take
> at least lunch and sometimes breakfast.
> 
> We got a product called "Veggie Pockets" in.  Basically a piece of
> bread with various stuffings baked into it.  They didnt have any
> nutrition info on the label ( good reason for it ), but getting
> sick of what I could quickly make I would frequently eat 2-3
> per day last semester.  I was very frustrated with my slow weight loss.
> 
> Well, our distributor mailed me a copy of the nutrition information
> he extorted from the manufacturer.  It turns out that each of these
> "Veggie Pockets" had at least 13g of fat in it!  There I was eating
> two ( very unfilling ) for lunch 2-3 times a week while trying to
> keep my fat intake down to 30g!
> 
> 
> Beware of unlabled packaged food.  Dont ever assume it is lowfat no
> matter what the ingredients say.
> 
> Steve R
Steve --

   What I enjoy is entering the supermarkets, walking over to the hot-dog areas
and then looking at the 96% fat free packages and then looking at the caloric
info to see that while they're 4% fat by weight, they still have 60-80% fat by
calories...
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Raw Eggs, Cooked Eggs, etc.
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:00:05 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In this country, there is a high danger of salmonella poisoning from
raw eggs. (also from raw chicken; be careful not to cut salad veggies
on any surface which  has been used for raw meats)
  Salmonella is destroyed by cooking and is quite nasty, so don't even
think about raw eggs.
--
System Administrator                  Internet: betsys@cs.umb.edu
MACS Dept, UMass/Boston               Phone   : 617-287-6448
100 Morrissey Blvd                    Staccato signals
Boston, MA 02125-3393                      of constant information....
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: decline bench design
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:11:01 GMT
Keywords: ergonomics

I am disappointed with the design of the decline benches that I have
seen on the market. The ones that I have seen are all designed such
that everything from the knees up is on the same (inclined) plane,
and the calves and feet hang over (with or without footrests).
How can one really feel secure, much less "dig in", on a set-up
like this?  I think that a much better design would be one such that
the entire torso and feet are all on the same (inclined) plane, but
your knees are bent, and your thighs are braced against a more-or-less
vertical board. I have jerry-rigged just such a mod to my incline/decline
ab board, using a section of rope and a shop-made toe-raise board.
It is quite comfortable and secure, though it is a little tricky to get
oneself into position, initially. As I am sort of an amateur "wood butcher",
I am considering building my own more permanent/elegant set-up. Before
I do this, I would like to know if anybody, anywhere, has seen a decline
bench that allows you to position/brace yourself as I have described.
If such a design already exists on the market, and if the quality seems
good, and if the price is within reason (like $125-$150) I may buy, rather
than build. Does anybody know of such?

Keith R
P.S. I would also like to hear from other folx who have built some of
their own fitness equipment. What did you build? Why did you build it?
What improvements would you make on the next one?
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: greg@mobius.viewlogic.com (Gregory Larkin)
Subject: Re: Tendonitis
Originator: greg@mobius
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:24:55 GMT


In article <1993Jan20.171723.6389@fnbc.com>, dallen@bobo (Derrick Allen) writes:
|> Has anyone any suggestions or remedies to cure tendonitis of the knee.
|> I've been to several doctors and sports medicine specialists for the last 
|> year and a half with little positive results of getting rid of this pesky  
|> little problem. The pain from it varies in degrees from mild discomfort  
[...]

What type of activity are you doing to cause the problem?  I had this
problem a couple of years ago while training on my bicycle.  The problem
was finally tracked down to be poor positioning of the seat of the bike.
Once it was adjusted, the knee pain stopped.

I also had a problem with knee pain early last season.  I am not sure
what caused the problem, but a local sportsmedicine doctor prescribed
Feldene (an anti-inflammatory drug) and it worked very well.  I took
it for 10 days and afterward, the pain did not return.

If you can correct poor positioning or incorrect technique, that will
probably help somewhat!

Good luck!



-- 
              Greg Larkin, Software Engineer, Waveform Analysis
                 Viewlogic Systems, Inc.  Marlboro, MA 01752
                            greg@Viewlogic.COM
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: desilets@sj.ate.slb.com (Mark Desilets)
Subject: Re: Cindy Crawford Video Controversy
Reply-To: desilets@sj.ate.slb.com (Mark Desilets)
Organization: Schlumberger ATE, San Jose
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 23:33:52 GMT

In article <20083@mindlink.bc.ca> Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson) writes:
>Well, I am 5'6'' and my ideal healthy but look great weight is about 115.
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm sure it does!  But seriously, you should work more on your english :-}


								Mark
From: rep@thor.genrad.com (Pete Peterson)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Raw Eggs, Cooked Eggs, etc.
Date: 26 Jan 1993 08:52:17 -0500
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.genrad.com

In article <1993Jan25.154807.663@hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
 >In article <1993Jan22.215613.17415@panix.com>, paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:
 >>  I recall reading that the Salmonella bacterium is more present on the outside
 >> shell of the egg than on the inside!?
 >> 
 >>  I don't remember the source though. This may or may not be true. Has anyone
 >> else seen this info?
 >
 >What's the difference?  When you crack the egg open, part of the white touches
 >the outside of the shell when you dump it out to begin with.

It might make a difference in that if the bacteria were present only on the
outside of the shell, one could, in principle at least, wash the eggs with
some kind of bactericide solution to render them safe to eat in the raw
state.  This would not be possible if the bacteria were already present
inside the shell.

    pete peterson
    rep@genrad.com
    (508)369-4400 x2478; Home: (508)256-5829 (Chelmsford, MA)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: The fittest people on the planet.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:25:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.211030.16414@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
>In article <q3r3nb-@rpi.edu>, cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
>|> 
>|> And you know, I'd still be willing to put some of the pros up against
>|> your "fit" athletes.  When the pros are not in competition mode, they're
>|> still doing lots of aerobics - 3, 4, 5 times a week is not unheard of.
>|> I can't believe that they have such poor aerobic capabilities...
>
>I'll take your money.  I'm a triathlete, and I know a few (non-elite)
>triathletes who do 3 or 4 aerobic workouts A DAY (swim in the morning, run
>at lunch, bike/run in the evening).  I'm more than willing to bet that
>there isn't a single (top) pro bodybuilder that can demonstrate aerobic
>capability comparable to a "local" top triathlete, not to mention a
>national caliber triathlete.  The ability to do (say, in the pool) 10
>intervals at 90% of maximum heart rate for 2 minutes, with about 20
>seconds rest each time, is probably beyond the capacity of bodybuilders.
>I can do an hour swim (non-stop), where my heart rate stays around 80% of
>my (observed) maximum.
>
>I have a lot of respect for bodybuilders; I know what kind of dedication
>it must take to achieve the results they strive for.  I know that they
>train for something very different than aerobic capacity.  Please don't
>try to put them in a category where they really don't stack up.
>
>Ken Lehner

Let us be careful not to let this thread degenerate into a 
"my sport is better than your sport" flame-fest.
It would be pointless. Suffice it to say that different
sports require a different mix of resources on the part
of their participants.

Keith R
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke)
Subject: Re: Raw Eggs, Cooked Eggs, etc.
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 21:30:39 GMT

In article <1jkrh9$src@agate.berkeley.edu> newton@garnet.berkeley.edu (Sir Isaac Newton) writes:
>In article <1jkfejINNrk0@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>>
>>Of course you will eventually get Salmonellosis, and may deplete
>>your body's supply of biotin (raw eggs have active avidin, which
>>binds biotin (a vitamin) with legendary affinity.
>>
>So anybody know how serious Salmonellosis is?  I mean, can you die
>from it?  Are there long term effects?
>

I recall a study out within the last year that showed about 20% ??? of people
contracting it would develope arthritus of the lower back. Usually lasting
several months, but it can be permanent. Something one should not take
a chance with.
From: agrawal@alicudi.usc.edu (Amitabh Agrawal)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Caeser's salad and raw eggs (was Re: Raw Eggs, Cooked Eggs, etc.)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 11:42:45 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: misc
NNTP-Posting-Host: alicudi.usc.edu


In article <1993Jan26.193152.24150@nevada.edu> rbond@nevada.edu (RICHARD BOND) writes:

   Isn't Ceaser's Salad made with raw eggs? Please tell me NO since I love 
   it :-) but after reading this thread maybe I'll pass from now on. Thanks
   but no thanks.

If you are eating a Caeser's salad in a restaurent, I think you are
OK. Restaurent's can buy pasteurized (or similarly treated) eggs (the
insides; raw). This does not have any salmonella.

The reason that you don't get these in the supermarkets is mainly a
problem of supply & demand. So far these are available only in large
cartons suitable for restaurent use. 

   Dick

Amit




Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson)
Subject: Re: Attitude
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:16:01 GMT

Hi Kim, great reply.
I think the point you made about attitude is good...you gotta really want the
changes getting fit and eating right will bring (but hey, I read on the bike,
too....). You need passion to get you through the plateaus and tough spots.
From: agrawal@alicudi.usc.edu (Amitabh Agrawal)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: New Labelling Guidelines
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:23:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: alicudi.AGRAWAL.93Jan26092327
Distribution: misc
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alicudi.usc.edu


According to LA Times, the govt is going to have new labelling
guidelines which will be compulsory for ALL processed foods. The
companies will have to comply by May 1994. The new labels will be
different in the following ways

1. The percentage of calories from fat will be explicitly listed on
the product. 

2. For every nutrient a new metric "Nutrition value"(I am not sure about
the name)" has been specified. This is the percentage of the nutrient
that you are getting from this meal as compared to the daily
requirement (as determined by FDA). E.g. if you are allowed 2400 mg of
sodium and this dish has 240 mg, then the NV will be 10%.

3. The serving size will correspond to an actual serving. E.g. for
cookies a serving size will have to be 30g. 

4. For some nutrients like Riboflavin or niacin or zinc. The
manufacturer will be asked not to supply the information (to avoid
confusion, they say!). I think this one sucks...

Amit

PS: The above is posted from memory and I do not make any claims about
its correctness.

A
Xref: sparky misc.fitness:9703 rec.bicycles.misc:2103 rec.running:3982
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.running
Subject: Re: Metabolic Rate question
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:31:03 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles.misc, jcollias@src.dec.com (Jim Collias) writes:
>|> I agree that the Concept II ergometer is probably the best all-around
>|> indoor aerobic exercise device.
>
>So where do I get one and how much are they?

When I got out of school a couple of years ago they were about $750
new, available direct.  After the Crash-B sprints, they would sell
(slightly) used ones for $600.  If someone really needs to know the
address, I could probably find it.

David Mackintosh
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson)
Subject: Re: Good AM video
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:44:52 GMT

Hi, I will plug Charlene Prickett's videos again....they are really sound and
reliable...and she is so nice it wouldn't be a chore to face her in the
morning!
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: raymond@harp.ecn.purdue.edu (Ray Kamin)
Subject: Re: Bench press question
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:03:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.181001.24038@rchland.ibm.com> alter@rchland.vnet.ibm.com writes:
>When you bench press very heavy weights, i.e. near your maximum lift weight,
>there is a "stick point" which impeeds the motion of the bar.  Once this
>point is overcome, the bench press action becomes easier.  On myself,
>this stick-point is a couple of inches above my chest.  On a friend, it is
>directly at the point of contact of the bar to her chest.
>
>Are there any exercises that may help to reduce the stick-point effect?  My
>friend was told that doing all sorts of shoulder exercises would help.  I
>don't believe this because if you examine the layout of the arm bones and
>the shoulder, the only muscles are the ones in your chest (mainly pecs) that
>have any affect on the upward motion of the arm.  The shoulders have no
>mechanical advantage.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>-- 
>
>Eric Alter		alter@rchland.vnet.ibm.com

There is a transition from main usage of your chest muscles to emphasis
on your triceps.  If your chest is much stronger than your triceps,
your "stick point" would be higher than someone with strong triceps
and a weak chest.  Ideally, if the muscles are well balanced,
the transition should be smooth.  So, if your "stick point" is low,
work the chest (flys, etc) until it is strong enough to lift the 
weight to where your triceps can help. 

RK

--------------------
raymond@ecn.purdue.edu
Disclaimer:  This info is worth exactly what you paid for it. ;-)

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Subject: Re: Hidden Fat In Packaged Foods
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: world,local
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:51:21 GMT

In article <35751@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU> sbhattac@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Shankar Bhattacharyya) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan22.142519.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> poulin@violet.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>
>>   What I enjoy is entering the supermarkets, walking over to the hot-dog areas
>>and then looking at the 96% fat free packages and then looking at the caloric
>>info to see that while they're 4% fat by weight, they still have 60-80% fat by
>>calories...
>
>....I'm looking for clarification of that comment.

He was probably just exaggerating a little (and mixing up in memory
which products had how much fat by weight and how much by calories).
When you first discover that all these advertisers touting "healthy!"
and "low-fat!" products are lying to you, you get a bit exhuberant and
may overstate things.  No big deal.

>Sorry if my post left unclear what I was trying to ask. I tried to make it
>as explicit as I could. Over on rec.food.cooking I have recently been told
>that I need a course in English as a second language, so I trust I may ask
>for some forbearance.

That particular fellow is a well-known ass.  He likes to think of
himself as a witty curmudgeon.  But, he's nothing more than a
school-yard bully.

--
Michelle Dick
artemis@netcom.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: The fittest people on the planet.
Keywords: balance in life
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:28:19 GMT

In article <C1Hnyw.5zy@csn.org> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
}In article <1jm16oINNoik@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> laurie@bnr.co.uk (Laurie Constantin) writes:
}
}>It's very sad that bodybuilding and powerlifting can be at both extremes of
}>the health scale - on the one hand, recreational body builders and
}>powerlifters (and natural competitors in those sports) are probably a group
}>of the healthiest, fittest people on the planet.
}
}If you add "by some criteria" to the end, I'd agree with you.
}
}In my book, all-around SpeedSkaters are some of the greatest atheletes around.

I think that I would add professional (stage) dancers.  Their jumping around
looks aerobic as all get out, and they go on for hours. (OK, hour, take 10,
hour, take 10,...)

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kbarss@scott.skidmore.edu (Kelly Barss)
Subject: Re: Vanadyl Sulfate - SportPharma's info
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:30:33 GMT

jeffs@nmdoc1.sr.hp.com (Jeff Silva) writes:
> In misc.fitness, desilets@sj.ate.slb.com (Mark Desilets) writes:
> 
> > In article <23f3-xd@rpi.edu> cecchinr@hornsby.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
> > >
> > >                                SPORTPHARMA USA
> > >                                936 Detroit Ave. Suite C
> > >                                Concord, CA  94518
> > >                                1-800-645-GAIN
> > >
> 
The number he had posted was 645 when it should have been 654!  Gee,
not very observant people!
From: samari@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Tammy Woodley)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: % fat counting at the gym....
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:54:49 GMT
Reply-To: samari@watserv.ucr.edu
Distribution: usa

In article <1jvdhtINNfho@nic.umass.edu> rmuller@fremont.hampshire.edu (Richard  
Muller) writes:
 
> This method is described in detail in McArdle, Katch, and Katch: _Exercise
> Physiology_ and, I suspect, in several other places.  MK&K is, I'm told, a
> completely reputable source.  About this method, they say (page 500):
> 
> ....The circumference-based prediction equations are most useful in ordering
> individuals within a group ... the error in predicting an individual's
> body fat is generally between +/- 2.5 to 4%.  These relatively low prediction
> errors make the equations particularly useful to those without access to
> laboratory facilities.
> 
> They also warn that these equations are not good for individuals who are
> either very thin or very fat; who are members of athletic teams; who have
> been involved for a number of years in strenuous sports or resistance train-
> ing.
> 
> So, Tammy, it sounds like the odds are that your actual %fat is somewhere in
> the range 16-24%.
> 
> Rich

This sounds reasonable Rich.  I have been told that this is practiced in the  
army as well as a few other large establishments.  I was a bit surprised at  
this, but then I thought about how fast it was and how easy to calculate (not  
to mention cheap :)

Thanks to everyone who responded, I feel very enlighted about fat%  
measurements. :)  BTW, anyone got that chart with the standards for each  
measurement? 


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From: wkulecz@life.jsc.nasa.gov (Walter B. Kulecz, Ph.D)
Subject: Re: Life series algorithms
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Organization: KRUG Life Sciences
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:06:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.152133.9839@cci632.cci.com>, afh@cci632.cci.com
(Andrew Halperin) wrote:
> 
> Let me preface this by saying that I would like a response 
> to my question and I am by no means supporting or rejecting
> the Life(tM) series machines. 
> 
> Does anyone out there know what the algorithm that is used
> for calculating calorie consumption on the Lifesteps,
> LifeCycle and the recumbent LifeCycle? It seems that each one
> is different because the calories reported on one is magnitudes
> different that the other for the same PERCEIVED work. 
> 

Perceived work is where the problem is.  How much work do you do in an
isometric execise?  Zero external work will be measured.  Perceived work
can be very high as can calories per minute (typically anerobic for
isometric).  This is very difficult to measure, while external work is easy
to measure.  Bikes are perhaps the easiest to estimate, since the
dependence on body weight is not too strong.  The best and easiest to
measure analog for aerobic calories per minute is heart rate.  This is a
linear function while in the aerobic range but the slope differs depending
on your "fitness" and genetics.

A recumbent is claimed to be more efficent in coupling human energy to
external work so percieved effort for the same external work should be
less.

My question: why do you care?
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