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From: nlp54@cas.org ()
Subject: dESaBakti gEya'lu #11 - ja'ti ratnam - Nehru Birthday Gift
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:57:45 GMT


			   ja'ti ratnam
			   ************

		      andaramokaTiga kooDedamu
		      gontulukalipi pa'Dedamu
		      ja'ti ratnamou javaharukiirtiini
		      mukta kanThamutO ca'Tedamu              ||andaramo||

		      nehroonEta puTTinadinamu
		      ba'lalakEmo panDugadinamu
		      ratnagarBayai ra'Nincinamana
		      BarataBoomi kidiSuBadinamu              ||andaramo||

		      vidyalunErcenu vidESamandu
		      pa'lanajEsenu svadESamandu
		      Sa'ntidootayai pancaSiilanu
		      prabOdhincenu jagamandu                 ||andaramo||

		      ga'ndhiita'ta kanucaruDu
		      Sa'ntibOdanalo sahacaruDu
		      Ba'ratama'taku muddubiDDaDani
		      andaRu meccina yatiGanuDu               ||andaramo||

	       ----Sri S. Gopalakrushnamoorti, M.A. (Litt), M.ED.,
		   Omaravilli, AP, India.
		   (my good friend and scholar)
 ******************************************************************************


		When all its work is done, the lie shall rot;
		The truth is great and shall prevail,
		When none cares whether it prevails or not.

	      --Pandit Nehru
********************************************************************************

Paranandi Lakshmi Narasimham
CAS
Columbus, OH 43202
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed above are not those of the CAS.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu,soc.culture.indian
From: kishore@argo.rice.edu (Ananda Kishore)
Subject: The Dog That Knew Too Much - a sketch by Kutumbarao
Originator: kishore@argo.rice.edu
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:00:51 GMT


           The Dog that Knew Too Much
                                      - Kodavatiganti Kutumbarao

Sarvabhoumarao used to have a dog. It rarely barked. It used to bark
only at criminals and ex-convicts. This power of the dog was proved so
many times that people finally came to believe that somebody was a
criminal if it barked at him.

"Maybe, it's an incarnation of a god, Rao sir?" said some people.

"You never know," observed psychologists.

Sarvabhoumarao didn't go that far, but he said, "There are many things
that science can't explain."

Sarvabhoumarao was a king maker, an uncrowned king. Even ministers
used to consult him.

One day a minister visited him. His face - rather, smell - wasn't new
to the dog. But for some reason this time it barked at him. 

His face became pale first, and deep red next.

"What's this? What's this?" he said.

"I'll take care of the dog. Don't you worry! I apologize to you,"
said Sarvabhoumarao. He shot the dog dead that night.

It was recently found that the minister killed his servant a week
before he visited Sarvabhoumarao. He had the police throw the
servant's body among Naxalite corpses in a forest and then said in
public, "We can never tell where Naxalites don't show up next."

However, in the opinion of the higher class it is better to get rid of
such dogs - even humans - that can detect crime. 

---------------
Telugu original by Kodavatiganti Kutumbarao, in Yuva,  197?
Translated and posted with permission by Ananda Kishore.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 15:41:05 CST
From: PRIYA <U60460@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: help on posting

can any one tell me how to post on SCI Telugu from a Sun workstation

Thanks in Advance
From: SRN102@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: testing
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:44:07 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

just for testing
               Srinivas
From: kumarv@blaze.rutgers.edu (kumar vadaparty)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Deming and Koku.
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:50:15 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Kishore@argo.rice.edu translates Koku's words on equality of sexes
as below:


"Today's society is patriarchal. In this society, equality between
sexes is impossible. Not recognizing this, women mistakenly think that
man's attitude is all to blame, and woman's life will be perfect if
they can change man's attitude by preaching. Unless the marital system
undergoes drastic changes, equality between sexes will not be
possible. The current inequality is not just at the level of
individuals, it is a social inequality. "


This reminds me of Dr. Deming's analysis of system-imposed versus
person-imposed problems regarding statistical quality control. He says
that the definition of a system determines the "control limits" of the
output of the system; as long as the output of an employee remains
within these limits, it makes no sense to punish or award employees
for their performance; absolute ranking (either based on papers
published by researchers or number of good goods produced by an
assembly line worker) makes no sense according Deming, as long as the
variation in the output is within the systemic limits. SUch ranking
only demoralizes. Any change in the control limits requires a
over-haul of the system, not punishing/awarding individuals.

I guess koku observed something similar about the
human-cultural-system in regards to sex-equality (i.e.,
gender-equality). Local corrections such as "Preaching" (i.e.,
hitopadesam) thus do not produce lasting results and sometimes can
cause frustration as it happens to me occassionally when some women
attack me for forgetting to use "she/he".
 
Indeed the SYSTEM, needs a change pretty badly!

I wish I read koku more.

Kumar.

p.s. Deming introduced quality-conciousness into Japanese industry.
The rest is history.
--
From: satish@wpi.edu (Satish Purushothaman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: lyrics
Date: 19 Nov 1992 06:08:06 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, WPI
NNTP-Posting-Host: huey.wpi.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

u v babu srinivas (udumudi@vanilla) wrote:
:        .
	 .
	 .
: 	   [ghant'asa'la : amaras'ilpi jakkanna : s. ra'jeswararao]

So here comes another one,



thiraippadam    : Omai vizhikaL

paadiyavar      : P B Seenivas matRum kuzhuvinar

paadalaasiriyar : aabaavaaNan

isai            : manOj-kiyaan / aabaavaaNan


thOlvi nilaiyena ninaiththaal manidhan vaazhvai ninaikkalaama
vidiyalukkillai thooram vidiyum manadhil innum En paaram
un nencham muzhuvathum veeram irunNthum kaNNil innum En eeram
urimai izhanNthOm utamayum izhanNthOm uNarvai izhakkalaamaa
uNarvai koduththu uyiraai vaLarththa kanavai maRakkalaamaa
thOlvi nilaiyena ninaiththaal manidhan vaazhvai ninaikkalaama
vaazhvai sumai ena ninaiththu thaayin kanavai midhikkalaamaa
vidiyalukkillai thooram vidiyum manadhil innum En paaram
un nencham muzhuvathum veeram irunNthum kaNNil innum En eeram

yuththaNGkaL thOnRattum iraththaNGkal sinNthattum paathai maa
Ralaamaa
iraththaththin veppaththil achchaNGkaL vEkattum koLkai saakal
aamaa
urimai izhanNthOm utamayum izhanNthOm uNarvai izhakkalaamaa
uNarvai kotuththu uyiraai vaLarththa kanavai maRakkalaamaa
yuththaNGkaL thOnRattum iraththaNGkal sinNthattum paadhai maa
Ralaamaa
iraththaththin veppaththil achchaNGkaL vEkattum koLkai saakal
aamaa


anpudan,

satish.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian.telugu:1180 soc.culture.tamil:3854 alt.culture.kerala:826
From: vedati@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Keshavprasad Vedati  ECE-GRAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu,soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: .......  most beautiful actresses .......
Date: 23 Nov 92 07:36:11 GMT
Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio

In article <1992Nov20.005357.5937@cs.wayne.edu> uds@usha.cs.wayne.edu (Seetamraju) writes:
>
>This post is about beautiful south indian actresses...  I wanted to get your
>opinions, after seeing another movie of the tamil actress raadhika.
>It is the telugu movie, raadhaa_kaLyaaNam.  I always considered her the genuine
>south indian  beauty.  I personally feel she has the class and dusky-ness
>of smita patil, as well as stunnig beauty (especially her smile) rivalling
>other famous and beautiful actresses all over india...
>
>Other beautiful actresses are : kaancana (old), savitri (only when she was
>young).....
>
>You may definitely find women more beautiful than them in life, but, very very
>few will have the personality and class of actresses like radhika.
>
>I also liked rekha, but she is not exactly very beautiful.  Hema malini and
>vijayanti maala, are like saccharin -- the taste gets bitter with time...
>
>jayaprada is a total stunner, a sculpted face (remember some of her photos, when
>she was young?)...
>
>
>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
>(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

You have a horrible taste man.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian.telugu:1128 soc.culture.tamil:3783 alt.culture.kerala:806
From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu,soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: ....... most beautiful actresses .......
Date: 20 Nov 1992 04:09:58 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

naveen@ms.uky.edu (Naveen Goud) writes:

>>This post is about beautiful south indian actresses... 
>Well, The south indian actress whom I consider beautiful is
>Bhanupriya, her one movie I will never forget is Anweshana .
>- Naveen

the best babe in the telugu film industry was radha and now it is
vijaya shanti. (not to forget sreedevi)

suresh


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu,soc.culture.indian
From: kishore@argo.rice.edu (Ananda Kishore)
Subject: Peace - a sketch by Kutumbarao
Originator: kishore@argo.rice.edu
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:00:59 GMT

	             
                     Peace
                                 - Kodavatiganti Kutumbarao

"We aren't learning from history; we make the same mistakes over and
again. Otherwise why would there be this anarchy?" asked the Dibba pundit.
 
"Is there any conncetion between this and history?" I asked.

"Anarchy is a malaise that history suffers frequently from. It is as
old as history itself. 

"Once there arose a terrible anarchy in the time of King Bulged Eyes.
Poverty prevailed everywhere. Thefts, robberies, murders, and arson
were rampant. Thieves broke into the house of my grandfather's
neighbor looking for food, and killed a sixty year old woman who came
in their way. 

"The King did whatever he could. He commanded prayers in temples, made
animal sacrifices to demons. He repealed tax on rich merchants, land
tax on landlords. Nothing worked. 

"What do you think His Highness did then? He commanded the patrolmen
to kill anyone who is found on streets, night or day not counting.
Initially they killed some people on the streets. Arson, thefts, and
robberies came to a halt after that. 

"Some say that some patients died thanks to lack of human contact,
that some died of hunger since they couldn't go out to buy food, that
several others died for similar reasons. What if a lot of people died?
People always die, don't they? But this tactic of His Highness worked
magic, and law and order was established quickly," concluded the Dibba
Pundit. 

---
Telugu original by Kodavatiganti Kutumbarao, in Yuva, May 1977.
Translated and posted with permission by Ananda Kishore. 

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:37132 soc.culture.indian.telugu:1041
From: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: OM SHANTI!!!!!! SHANTI!!!, WHERE IS NET POLICE ?
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:28:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecs.19051.2b0688bf

In article <1e6c7bINNo55@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki) writes:
> One well wisher for SCI arastogi@nyx.cs.du.edu (D Murari) writes:
> 
>>Hello netters,
> 
>>My sincere advise to Samit and Sreehari: why don't you
>>post your articles to alt.sex or alt.pornography?
> 
> sure do but also crosspost to SCI and SCIT. i read just these two
> groups. 

  In any case, me think SCI  ==== alt.sex 
		    and SCIT ==== alt.pornography

	so no need to cross-post ! :)

> 
>>I feel  ffended by these posts and I think   
>>our fellow netters also think the same.
>>A well wisher for soc.culture.indian!
> 
> another well wisher for SCI

 and yet another well wisher (......NOT !) for sCi :-)


> 
> 
> suresh

  rAjAt.
From: rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Excluding men
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:29:48 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

In article <26933@optima.cs.arizona.edu> srik@cs.arizona.edu (Srikanth Raghavan) writes:
>Allah speaketh :
>
>Fear not my child!, the reason for your confusion is feminism.
>
>Me to Allah :
>
>Truly Allah, thou art the greatest.  Thou hast solved all my problems, I see 
>the world better than I ever did.
>
>	-srik


To -srik,


I have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is :
I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express
sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat.
				
					-Rebecca West, author.


Hope this helps you see the world *even* better.



Arathi.


-- 
In Life, Nothing is Bad as you Fear,
And Nothing as Good as you Hope.
		
			- Gallic saying
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:38017 soc.culture.tamil:3869
From: prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
Subject: Re: INDIAN CULTURE - Radically Racist
Keywords: INDIAN CULTURE - Radically Racist
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 10:14:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.000412.12806@massey.ac.nz>, J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal) writes:
>  
> Not a single person is free of 'racial prejudices'.

I agree.

> Racial
> prejudices are prejudices of a society. And we are what society
> has made of us.

Prejudices exist in my mind. Unless *I* make a conscious effort 
to get rid of them, I will remain prejudiced. I agree that some
of my prejudices are handed down by the society that I live in.
IMHO, the determination to free oneself of prejudices must come
from within. There is no reason to blame society or to wait for
society to change.

> It does get easier in the communication process and as humans we
> have always done it.  As humans we need to CLASSIFY which helps
> simplyfy things. 
> 
> We call people black, white , brown and yellow. It is when we
> believe prejudices of society which state that 'black + womyn
> therefore maid' that we need to evaluate our prejudices.
>

I would not have objected if we were discussing ethnology and
skin color. Anywhere else, the terms white, black, brown, etc
are racial slurs. I agree with you that we must evaluate all 
beliefs that stem from/lead to prejudice. We must also take
the greatest care to discourage verbiage that could have
racial connotations.

Categorization is prejudice. Why should we think of people as
whites, blacks, shuudras and brahmins ? Show me a person who
says "I am a brahmin" and I will show you a person blinded by
prejudice. 

The Hindu caste system is "divinely inspired". Not many hindus
have the guts to stand up and say that it is wrong and mean it.
IMO, the present state of affairs will stay (forever).

> John Ainikkal 
> I think - Therefore I am. 
> 'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud 

RKP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dimple@wam.umd.edu (Charanjiv S. Gadh)
Subject: Test
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:04:35 GMT

this is a test ..tt
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: About contribution of Dravidian to Indian culture
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:30:31 GMT

In article <BxM56x.2qq@cs.psu.edu>, narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
> In article <BxM031.Jp2@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan) writes:
> >Unfortunately, if the word Tamil bother's you, read the whole text,
> >after globally replacing it with the word 'pre-historic Telugu'.
> >It might sound more acceptable. Or get your Tamil allergy cured.
> 
> 
> Wow! I never knew that Tamil can cause allergies. Is there a 
> vaccination for that! Or shall we say, acquire a bit of Tamil
> patriotism, will it go away? Or should I become another dravidian
> racist to cure my Tamil allergy? Hmm! I never knew that Tamil is
> decease bearing. Keep up your patriotism!
> ...kt
> >
> >K. Srinivasan
> 

Narayana, instead of addressing the points put forth by Dr.Srinivasan,
you are responding to something else. 

Did you CONSIDER what he said ?

Well, about his remark 'get your Tamil allergy cured' or something to 
that effect, you say 'I never knew that Tamil is disease bearing' !
Even milk and honey can cause allergy !
I think Dr. Srinivasan meant in the sense 'allergy is caused by
our body somehow perceiving a thing as foreign and there is nothing
vile about the thing that causes in a person except the person's
reaction is allergic'

I hope you will understand.

When are you going to understand what is 'dravidian culture and philosophy' ?
Dravidian racist does not make sense, I've tried to explain many times. 

By pointing out contributions of Tamil/Dravidian to Indian culture and
Heritage how can one become 'dravidian racist' and 'tamil patriot' ?
I hope you will begin to UNDERSTAND !

regards
Selva Selvakumar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: About contribution of Dravidian to Indian culture
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 19 NOV 92 13:04:10    


In article <1992Nov19.164446.10025@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes...
>In article <BxnsAx.7oM@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
>> In article <BxM56x.2qq@cs.psu.edu>, narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:

>There is NOTHING to consider. You have proved after all these long articles
>(I saved them all and looked them again) that you are even more fanatical
>compared to other fanatics like Virendra Verma on the net.

	Yes, Mr Alok. I am a Vedic (of knowledge) fanatic if that makes you
	happy. Hope you get a good sleep tonight.

-- Virendra
From: nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Respect for female readers (was Re: Indian T..)
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:56:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bxtu5E.AA2
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:


>Professor Abjit Dutta, why didn't you include Dr Raj Kannan's
>posting sir?? Anyhow, my answer to your posting is :

>			  Koi mera zhAnt bee ukhAd nai sakthaA.
>:                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	DO YOU STILL HAVE IT?

	JUST CURIOUS
 
>: disclaimer: opinions are mine only.
>  disclaimer: ---DITTO-------------
>: 
>: 
>: 
>: 
>: --

Nishit
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Ancient Indian History
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:48:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Yf22IiC00iQC0_R0Yl
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Re: Megalithic Culture in India
(from Encyclopedia Britannica, 15th edition)
(Indian Subcontinent, History of)

"A more mature  display of Iron Age Culture [as compared to Central India]
comes from the southern half of the peninsula -- what has frequently been
termed the Megalithic culture.

The M. culture  remains problematic because neither its origin nor its
evolution are yet clear. Some scholars have linked it with the megaliths
of western India, others with those of Central India and many have suggested
maritime connections with the eastern Mediterranean.

Carbon-14 dates point to c. 1000 BC as the earliest level, and the discovery of
Roman pottery in the upper levels at some sites provide a terminal age of the
1st  century AD. Burial methods vary in type from urn burials to menhirs &
dolmens (stone monuments) and burial chambers marked off by a circle of stones,
some of which are referred to in early Tamil sources.

Some of the northern sites of this culture bear traces of contact  with the
Jorwe type [a central Indian culture]. The Megalithic sites indicate a fairly
sophisticated industry in iron artifacts and pottery, and the frequency of
horse-bits in the graves points to the use of horses. Curiously, however, it
is precisely in the regions that used iron and were associated with the horse
that the Indo-Aryan languages did not spread. Even today these are the regions
of the Dravidian language group." [ curious because use of the horse and  iron
is often associated with the Indo-European migrations. While horses were long
domesticated, the technology of riding them was slow to develop, and all
evidence points to Central Asia as where this was first done, supposedly
spurring the Indo-European migrations.]

-arun
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: A.Raman@massey.ac.nz (Anand V Raman)
Subject: Re: INDIAN CULTURE - subservient?
Organization: Massey University Computer Centre
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 05:41:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.011212.10244@massey.ac.nz> J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal) writes:
>+
>As long as we in the East, do not attain the achievements of the
>West - there will be a good many of us who will be dissatisfied,
>not to mention - left in poverty which leads to exploitation to
>a far greater extent than in the West. 
>+

   I  have little to  say on this thread as   it is already  being
played out interestingly.  But, as an aside, I find it interesting
that as a person who argued  at length sometime  ago that women in
India are not necessarily  any less happy, you should concurrently
hold  the view that Easterners  living   in an Eastern culture are
living miserable lives.

   Is it not possible, as Rohit  Parikh pointed out  in an earlier
posting, that some creatures can be happy to live in the cesspools
they create?   It is unlikely that you  hold some opinions for the
dedicated purpose of   creating opportunities to  debate  over the
net.  So perhaps you were not aware  of this inconsistency in your
set of beliefs?  If not, maybe there were postings on these issues
that I must have missed out on; this is more likely.

- anand v raman
--
# The following signature is a random selection from Indhist 1.0
# For more information on Indhist, mail A.Raman@massey.ac.nz
--
In India there  is both  a cultivated  and a wild  barley, from which they
make excellent bread  as well as  a  kind of pottage.  But their favourite
diet is rice, from which a ptisan is prepared like that which is elsewhere
made from barley.

- Pliny, Nat.Hist. Book XVIII: c.10(22)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Saturday, 21 Nov 1992 21:55:41 MST
From: <AUASV@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: The Pretty Man

Who is you man?  Stop telling me to reeeeeeeeelllaaaaaaaaaaaxxx when I'm being
made fun of in front of hundreds of people who read this post, man.  I ain't
puttin you thru a guilt trip man, All I wanted to do was get your real name
and your real address, and not this Pretty@Woman shit.  Who the hell is you
anyway?  I don't have a bone to pick with you.  Who the hell is you?

       My personal address is AUASV@ASUACAD so send your mail thru it and not
the post.  Answer my question and I will laugh with you and not at you, got it.