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From: jwarner@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Jack E. Warner)
Subject: Re: Pacific Data Postcript Cartridge?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: comp.lang.postscript
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 02:38:54 GMT

katcher@sol.ral.rpi.edu (William Katcher) writes:

>I want to use Postscript on my HPLJ 3P, and I am looking into purchasing
>Pacific Data's Postcript emulation cartridge.  Does anybody on this net
>own or use this or a similar product?  I would like to know if this 
>will allow me to print ps and eps files as if I owned a true PS printer.
>Does it print at a reasonable speed and print quality, do I need additional
>memory, does it have any drawbacks that I should know about, is it worth
>the money, ...etc.  Can I easily print TeX files using dvips?

>Also of interest is Adobe's Postscript cartridge.  I would appreciate
>any other options which I may have overlooked.

>Thanks in advance.

i once worked in an environment of ibms connected to an hpljiii operating
in its native mode for an office of 6 other users. i told the boss to buy
this pacific data postscript cartridge (though i would have prefered a
printer whose native language was ps); he did and he found that his quattro
pro files printed a lot faster when conerted to ps first.

i also used TeX and converted dvi files to ps and downloaded them to the
hpljiii in ps mode and it did work. the only problem was that everybody
else worked the printer only in pcl mode and i always had to go around and
notify everyone of my intention to tie up the printer since it is not able
automatically to sense the format of the incoming document. 

Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: mnikunen@geom.helsinki.fi
Subject: NewGen TurboPS and dvips output
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Helsinki, Finland
Distribution: comp.lang.postscript,comp.text.tex
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:13:09 GMT

A friend of mine recently bought a NewGen TurboPS printer and
he cannot print TeX files with it using dvips (T. Rokicki, version
5.495 for MS-DOS). Any clues?

--
Martti Nikunen
Department of Mathematics
University of Helsinki
mnikunen@cc.helsinki.fi
From: merklin@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ed Kemo)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: pjl , 600 dpi and hp4
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:46:49 GMT
Distribution: comp.lang.postscript
Organization: /etc/organization


Hello netters!
could someone let me know if there is a way to change the dpi on the hp4 printer
I need to change to and from 600 dpi on a hp laserjet 4
I know there is a pjl command to do this, could someone 
enlighten me..
you can reach me at merklni@gnu.ai.mit.edu
thanks very much 
ed
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.periphs.printers,comp.sources.wanted
From: mcclung@archimedes.nwc.navy.mil (Scott McClung)
Subject: Postscript to HPGL
Keywords: HPGL postscript plotter
Organization: Science Applications International Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:46:26 GMT

Hello, world.  I was hoping someone here could provide me with information
on converting Postscript to HPGL, on a Sun Sparc 2. (4.1.x)  If you have
any such information, please E-mail your responses to me.  I will 
summarize, if there is any need.  Thanks, of course, in advance.




-- 
Scott McClung SAIC
mcclung@archimedes.chinalake.navy.mil
(setq std-disclaimer "I speak only for myself")
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Subject: Re: How to convert from US Letter to A4 format?
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:38:33 GMT

In article <1jqj1uINNgd5@smurf.sti.com> westes@smurf.sti.com (Will Estes)  
writes:
> One idea: if there were some hack that could be made to the existing
> Postscript output to scale down the entire page image, then it could
> be made to fit on the A4 page.  Any ideas on how to do this or other
> things to solve this problem?

Yes, I posted something like this last week.  Just change
the things specified at the top to go the other way (it goes
from A4 to letter as posted).  Jon snatched it too, so it'll
probably be in the FAQ next time through as well.

ab
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: Re: Is there a PostScript Code Beautifier?
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:06:32 GMT
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <C1FD0o.DuB@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
	ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes:
>I have been working on a set of code format
>recommendations, similar to the C style guide.

Gee, I always thought the standard answer was, "follow the style
used in the Green Book."  :-)

>As for code formatters, no, I haven't seen any, though
>I've heard there are some.

Send mail to ps-file-server@adobe.com containing
index Programs

You'll find all sorts of goodies there.

					-=EPS=-
From: arthur@turing.ac.uk (Arthur van Hoff)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: Hexagonal Pattern
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:34:39 GMT
Organization: The Turing Institute Ltd., Glasgow, Scotland


Hi,

Here is a simple PdB program (the compiled PostScript is also
included) that draws an amazing hexagonal pattern resembling
that of the human retina.

	Arthur van Hoff

************************
Start of the PdB program
************************
#include <graphics.h>

#define RADIUS		25		/* Radius of fovia */
#define CIRCLES		30		/* The number of circles */
#define SEGMENTS	64		/* Segments on each circle */
#define FACTOR1		1.05		/* Scaling factor */
#define FACTOR2		(FACTOR1 * 0.995)

void main()
{
    float r1 = RADIUS, r2, r3;
    int n, i;

    clippath();
    fill(1);
    setgray(0);
    translate(250,250);

    for (n = 0 ; n < CIRCLES ; n++) {
	r3 = r1;
	r2 = r3 * FACTOR1;
	r1 = r2 * FACTOR2;

	for (i = 0 ; i < SEGMENTS ; i++) {
	    moveto(0,r1);
	    lineto(0,r2);
	    rotate(180 / SEGMENTS);
	    lineto(0,r3);
	    rotate(180 / SEGMENTS);
	    lineto(0,r2);
	}
	rotate(180 / SEGMENTS);
	stroke();
    }
}

extern "PostScript" {main};

************************
Verbatim compiler output
************************
/main {
  % --
  25 clippath 1 setgray fill 0 setgray 250 250 translate 30 {
    dup 1.05 mul exch 1 index 1.04475 mul 3 1 roll 64 {
      0 3 index moveto 0 2 index lineto 2.8125 rotate 0 1 index
      lineto 2.8125 rotate 0 2 index lineto
    } repeat
    pop pop 2.8125 rotate stroke
  } repeat
  pop
} def
%begin postscript section
main
%end

--

	Arthur van Hoff 
	The Turing Institute Limited
	36 North Hanover Street, 
	G1 2AD Glasgow, Scotland

	Tel: +44 41 552 8858 or +44 41 552 6400
	Fax: +44 41 552 2985
	Email: arthur@turing.com

	The opinions expressed in this message are not 
	necessarily those of The Turing Institute Limited.
Xref: sparky comp.lang.postscript:6430 comp.os.msdos.apps:6229
From: holmer@eecs.nwu.edu (Bruce Holmer)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.os.msdos.apps
Subject: Emulaser (postscript emulator by Vertisoft)
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:41:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University, Evanston, Il., USA


Does anyone out there have experience with the
Postscript emulator named "Emulaser"?

I've been running ghostscript on my TI-2000
portable, and am not entirely satisfied (I
can't load in more than one font because of
memory limitations).  I'm hoping that Emulaser
will be able to do a little better, and maybe
be faster.

Any comments?

Thanks,
--Bruce
holmer@eecs.nwu.edu
From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: Re: HOW TO PRINT TROFF GENERATED PSC FILES IN LANDSCAPE MODE
Date: 23 Jan 93 05:38:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <48936@ogicse.ogi.edu> rajesh@mse.ogi.edu (Rajesh Dighde) writes:
>How can I program the postscript file so that the output
>will be in landscape mode.  Specifically I want to print
>some tables generated by troff typesetter.

What we need to know is what computer you're using, what kind
of troff, and what you're using to convert troff output to
PostScript.  And, exactly what you want to do - just rotate
and squish vertically to fit?  Or what?

The mechanics of doing this is by putting a bit of code
at the top of each page that will do a translate and rotate
and possibly a scale.  Some of the troff packages have this
built-in, and others will require manual editing of the
PostScript output.

If you have to manually edit each page, you want to put
the following in right after each "%%Page:" comment:

    612 0 translate 90 rotate

(the above assumes 8.5" wide paper).

You also have to tell troff that a page is 8.5" high - how
you do this depends on which macro package you're using.  In
MM, use -rL8.5i.  With man or ms, you usually have to insert
a ".pl 8.5i" into your document.

If you're using psroff (not Adobe Transcript), get your administrator
to upgrade to Psroff 3.0 PL15 (available in ftp.uunet.ca
distrib/chris_lewis/psroff3.0pl15), and read the manual page
about landscape - it's builtin with PL15, and none of the above
handwaving is necessary.
-- 
Chris Lewis; clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca; Phone: Canada 613 832-0541
Psroff 3.0 info: psroff-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
Ferret list: ferret-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton)
Subject: Re: Page accounting
Organization: Trilithon Software
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:27:36 GMT

In article <86579@ut-emx.uucp> tai@utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (Tai Morris) writes:
    *  I need a program that parses a postscript file to see how
    *  many pages will be printed. Please don't tell me this is
    *  impossible - it's impossible that it is impossible because
    *  postscript printers know how to parse postscript files.
    *  Otherwise, the printer could be fooled, too.
Really?  How many pages will this program print?
    /Courier findfont 72 scalefont setfont
    1 1 rand {
        300 400 moveto 16 string cvs show
        showpage
    } for
    
    
    ........  Henry
From: arras@forwiss.uni-erlangen.de (Mike Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: Color/Not Color
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:55:50 GMT
Organization: FORWISS, Uni Erlangen
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bfws72.forwiss.uni-erlangen.de


	Is there any standard way I can query the printer if it supports
color or not?  If it does support color I want to use the setrgbcolor
command, otherwise I want to user the setgray command.  Thank you.

Michael Arras                      Bavarian Research Center
arras@forwiss.uni-erlangen.de      for Knowledge-Based
Artificial Neural Network and      Systems_________________
Fuzzy Logic Research Group         FORWISS   ERLANGEN * MUNICH * PASSAU
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: Re: HOW TO PRINT TROFF GENERATED PSC FILES IN LANDSCAPE MODE
Date: 24 Jan 93 06:24:10 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <48936@ogicse.ogi.edu> rajesh@mse.ogi.edu (Rajesh Dighde) writes:
<Hello everyone,
<
<This is the first posting on this group from a "non computers"
<guy so bear with me for any silly/not-making-sense parlance.
<
<I have a question regarding printing postscript files
<generated using the troff typesetter in "LANDSCAPE" mode.
<
<How can I program the postscript file so that the output
<will be in landscape mode.  Specifically I want to print
<some tables generated by troff typesetter.
<
<Does any one have any pointers/suggestions
<on this?  And please explain in not too-technical jargon
<and in a step by step manner.  

You don't say which version of troff you are using.  Yes, there is more than
one.  I don't know about the DWB (Documentor's WorkBench) version 3.0, and
later, but old C/A/T troff and DWB 2.0+ version cannot handle anything that
wide.  They were built for portrait output only.

But, if you get the GNU version of troff, called groff, it has the ability
to do landscape output.
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: berman@nlm.nih.gov (Lew Berman)
Subject: print a flat-file image in PS
Reply-To: berman@nlm.nih.gov
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 21:00:10 GMT

I have a flat file image that is 1755x1463x12bits and
would like to print this out on a postscript
printer hooked up to my sun.  How do I convert it into
postscript and what will the image quality be like?
If need be, I can convert the file down to 8 bits per pixel.


Please respond to berman@ceb.nlm.nih.gov


Thanks,

Lew Berman
National Library of Medicine
Bethesda, MD
From: Alex@camp.wpic.pitt.edu (Alex Ferguson )
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: ISO a PS command...
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:58:00 GMT
Organization: DAC, Child Psych, UPMC



Hi all,

        Just wondering whether or not anybody knows where in the 
following lines of code, a paper size is specified.  I have the
software set up to print legal, but it only prints 11 out of the 
14 inches of image (landscape) - so, I figured I'd try changing 
the actual *.ps file to 11x14 instead of 8.5x11 (which I assume 
is in here now for some strange reason...)


                        Any help would be appreciated,

                                                Alex



%!PS-Adobe-2.0
%%DocumentProcSets:Wysiwyg_2.0 0 0
%%DocumentSuppliedProcSets:Wysiwyg_2.0 0 0
%%EndComments
%%BeginProlog
/WysiwygDict 150 dict def WysiwygDict begin 
%%BeginCriticalErrorHandler
/BrkPageDict 64 dict def BrkPageDict begin/prnt{dup type/stringtype ne{=string cvs}if dup length 6 mul/tx exch def/ty 10 def currentpoint/toy e
%%EndCriticalErrorHandler
%%BeginProcSet: Wysiwyg_2.0 0 0
/bf{bind def}bind def/lf{load def}bf/ed{exch def}bf/gs/gsave lf/gr/grestore lf/m/moveto lf/l/lineto lf/t/rmoveto lf/r/rlineto lf/st/stroke lf/n
%%BeginPixelAlignment
/fixpt{transform round exch round exch itransform}bf/m{fixpt moveto}bf/l{fixpt lineto}bf/t{fixpt rmoveto}bf/r{fixpt rlineto}bf/cto{6g 6g fixpt 
%%EndPixelAlignment
%%BeginTextStuff
/localdict 30 dict def/extcodes[128/grave 129/acute 130/circumflex 131/dieresis 132/tilde 133/cedilla 134/.notdef 135/.notdef 144/grave 145/acu
%%EndTextStuff
/Otl{dup dup/PaintType 2 put/StrokeWidth 28 put}def/TTMR[1 0 0 1 0 0]def/TTMG[1 0 0 -1 0 0]def/yy 0 def/ht{0 t}bf/vt{0 exch t}bf/wit{.9 mul}bf/
%%BeginColorDetection
statusdict/processcolors known{/slc/slc_c lf}{/slc/slc_g lf}ifelse 
%%EndColorDetection
%%EndResource
%%EndProlog

.24 .24 scale 90 rotate 1 -1 scale 83 83 tr 0 sdhd 0 slwd 0 0 m 0 2383 l 4033 2383 l 4033 0 l clp clip np gs gs
256 0 0 256 sto
gr -1 -1 m -1 2383 l 4033 2383 l 4033 -1 l clp clip np
0 0 tr gs
256 0 0 256 sto
4034 2384 1104 576 vsc
gr 1 1 tr gs
80 72 ftsc
80 72 ftsc
0 slcg 0 slcg -1 -1 m -1 1 l 1105 1 l 1105 -1 l clp fill gg -1 -1 m -1 14 l 992 14 l 992 -1 l clp  clip np
4 10 m zi /Courier Renc 9 fsc /XAR dfs spc (  Series : 1) sh zo





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| Alexander J. Ferguson III                                          |
| Database Manager, DAC (Data Analytic Core)                         |
| Child Psychiatry, Western Psychiatric Institute & Clinic           |
| University of Pittsburgh Medical Center                            |
|                                                                    |
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|                           fax   (412) 624-0223                     |
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/
From: pete@physchem.ox.ac.uk (Pete Biggs)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: Re: psmulti & eps files
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:17:36 GMT
Organization: Physical Chemistry Laboratory, South Parks Road, Oxford OX1 3QZ
Originator: pete@joule.pcl


In article <9301260830.AA04027@sun4nl.nluug.nl>, bultman@dgw.rws.nl (G.W.Bultman) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have lots of postscript files generated by UNIRAS (a graphics package).
> I'd like to print them several to the page, but psmulti recognises them 
> as eps files, and puts them all on page 1 on top of each other.
> 

This is almost exactly the problem I posted here about a couple of weeks
ago - also with Uniras and EPS files.  

> 
> 
> %!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-1.2
> 
> %%Creator: UNIRAS 6V1
> 
> %%BoundingBox:0,0,469,721
> 
> /m {moveto} def /l {rlineto} def /d {stroke} def 
> /c {setrgbcolor} def /g {setgray} def /t {show} def 
> .....
> initgraphics 20 60 translate    .240   .240 scale 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
  I think this is the problem - well when I took it out of my file the 
  image got scaled correctly - although it still wasn't quite right, I 
  suspect the bounding box is also wrong.

As I have said in the past - if anyone has a program (probably
postscript) that will scan a file and indicate the illegal commands then
would they please let us know of it.  (Yes, I know about the Adobe file
server - their version of the program doesn't work with GhostScript
which is all I can use).


Pete

-- 
=============================================================================
Pete Biggs :{)                         Janet: pete@uk.ac.ox.physchem
                                    Internet: pete@physchem.ox.ac.uk
=============================================================================
From: jansteen@cwi.nl (Jan van der Steen)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: Re: {(%%[|0|]%%)=print flush}
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:25:29 GMT

malle@rpksun1.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (Bernhard Malle) writes:

> Is there any PostScript Guru that knows the meaning of the following
> statement:
>
>	{(%%[|0|]%%)=print flush}

It translates to:

print the string "%%[|0|]%%" on stdout channel and flush that channel

This is the usual way to pass information to the host which transmitted
the PostScript file. The idea in this case is to keep track on the host
about the progress of the print job. This way the Macintosh spooling
software can inform you about the number of pages printed. The same
channel is used to transmit PostScript errors back to the host.

> this statement appears in some Macintosh-Postscript-files, that I have
> created by printing a Macintosh-document to a file instaed of printing
> it directly. I'm not sure, whether this statement is the reason for my
> troubles, but since the moment, I have included these Postscript-files
> into my LaTeX-document via psfig (after using m2u and pslinewrap and
> bbfig), our printer can't print more than 3 pages at a time. (error
> message is something like illegal restore).

Problems with Macintosh PostScript printed on non-laserwriters is not
uncommon unfortunately. The above print statement however is unlikely
to be harmful unless your printer spooler tries to interpret it and
draws wrong conclusions from it. Deleting it (see below) will tell.

As a side note: once I ambitiously started to disassemble the prolog of
the Macintosh PostScript trying to lay my finger on some problems we'd
encountered. But I had to give up this project due to lack of time.
Did anyone do a similar analysis and achieved results too?

>Does anyone knows how to avoid this command?

Just delete everything in between "{" and "}".


Jan van der Steen

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     Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Subject: Re: Summary: Color/Not Color
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:21:02 GMT

In article <1jvkv6INN1go@rave.larc.nasa.gov>
	arras@cobia-f.icase.edu (Michael Arras) writes:
>	Last week I asked whether or not it was possible to query a PS
>printer to find out if it had color capabilities.  The only responses I
>received mentioned that I should check if systemdict /colorimage is known.
>Unfortunately, this does not work.

Nonexistence of colorimage merely suggests that the interpreter
version predates PostScript Language Color Extensions.  It does
not indicate anything about the hardware characteristics.

>                                      I find it hard to believe that PS
>does not have a built-in set of commands that can be used to find out if
>the printer being printed on is a color printer or not.

Why?  PostScript is designed to be "device independent"--you're
not supposed to CARE where your document's going.

For what it's worth, Display PostScript and Level 2 have a
"deviceinfo" operator that returns [a dictionary containing]
information about color capabilities.

					-=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: How can I tell if a PS file is in color?
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:13:27 GMT

In article <C1F32I.3tz@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Allen  
Braunsdorf) writes:
> Here's the promised bit of code to test for color being used in a
> PostScript job.

And it has a few (colorspace) problems under Level 2.  I'm
working on a revised version of the level2 code.  Seems to
be fine under Level 1, though.

ab
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
From: rajeev@netcom.com (Rajeev Karunakaran)
Subject: floodfill operator
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:13:06 GMT

Can anybody tell me why PostScript doesn't have a
floodfill operator?

rajeev@netcom.com
From: gerry@keele.ac.uk (G.D.Pratt)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript
Subject: How to make a PostScript image transparent? - Help!
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:40:40 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Hi,
I'm taking 2 PostScript files, one created from a Sunrasterfile with
rastps and the other from pnmtops and cating them together. The first
is a very light greyscale image and the second is a monochrome image
with a lot of white. I want the first greyscale image to show thru' the
white of the second monochrome image but it gets over written.

The code where the first ends and the second starts is like this:-

gsave
540.0 810.0 scale
/s 400 string def
400 600 8
[400 0 0 -600 0 600]
{currentfile s readhexstring pop} image

image data here...

797C7E8284898B8D91929496999B9D...........
grestore
%!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-2.0
%%Creator: pnmtops
%%Title: noname.ps
%%Pages: 1
%%BoundingBox: 15 90 597 671
%%EndComments

Prolog here...

%%EndProlog
%%Page: 1 1
gsave
15.3 90.5706 translate
581.4 580.859 scale
1074 1073 1
[ 1074 0 0 -1073 0 1073 ]
{ picstr readstring }
image
8000f9008000f9008000f9008000f9008000f9008000f9008000f9008000....

Is there something I can put _before_ the second one starts to make it
transparent? Or some alternative approach perhaps with PBMPLUS. Thanks.

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