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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 12:02:53 CDT
From: <U35162@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Antique Radios from 1946 onward
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep9.150348.11222@cos.com>, bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) says:
>
>In reference to the Howard Sams technical papers on older
>radios, I have some info for everyone.
>
>MCM Electronics [1-800-543-4330] in Ohio has six packages
>of these Sams Photofact papers at $16.95 each. They cover
>radios from 1946 to 1960, depending on the manufacturer's
>place in the alphabet. Volume 1 is Admiral to Clearsonic,
>Volume 2 is Co-op to Gelose, Volume 3 is GE to Monitoradio,
>Volume 4 is Motorola to RCA Victor, Volume 5 is Realtone
>to Stratavox, and Volume 6 is Stromberg-Carlson to Zenith.
>

I might be mistaken on this, but I believe the collection of
papers Bob is referring to contains a small subset of the data
you would get with the original Sam's Photofacts for a given
radio--i.e., a picture, brief discription, tube complement,
etc. I suspect that what's missing is the info needed for
repairs--e.g., schematic, correct voltages, realignment
procedures, etc. So, make sure they have what you need before
you order them!

Aaron S. Field
University of Illinois at Chicago
From: alex@b62150 (Alexander Hay)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
Subject: Value of old pianos
Date: 6 Sep 1992 19:25:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: alex@b62150.student.cwru.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62150.student.cwru.edu


Hello All!

     I don't know if this is the right news group to ask this question or  
not as I know nothing about antiques so please go easy on the flaming.   
Recently I became the owner of a 1906 upright (shoulder high) Hardman
piano.  I found out the date from a piano shop back home so I am pretty 
sure that the 1906 date is correct.  The soundboard is in very good con-
dition (no cracks) and it still hold a great tune.  It looks like the  
ivories have been replaced at one point because they are still white and
they don't have the real ivory feel.  The outside of the piano itself is
in incredible shape considering the age (only a few nicks and scratches,  
nothing major).  Anyway, my question is this:  Would this piano have any  
antique value or is its value only rated as a musical instrument?  Thanks  
a lot for the help.  You can send any replies to the address below or post  
them if you think this is something which may benefit others.  Take care.   
Bye!


    Alexander (alex@b62150.student.cwru.edu)  

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Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Antique Radios from 1946 onward 
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:03:48 GMT

In reference to the Howard Sams technical papers on older
radios, I have some info for everyone. While looking for
a replacement flyback for an EGA monitor in my favorite
electronic catalog, I saw reference to these papers.

MCM Electronics [1-800-543-4330] in Ohio has six packages
of these Sams Photofact papers at $16.95 each. They cover
radios from 1946 to 1960, depending on the manufacturer's
place in the alphabet. Volume 1 is Admiral to Clearsonic,
Volume 2 is Co-op to Gelose, Volume 3 is GE to Monitoradio,
Volume 4 is Motorola to RCA Victor, Volume 5 is Realtone
to Stratavox, and Volume 6 is Stromberg-Carlson to Zenith.

I have dealt with MCM for a number of years and have been
pleased with their service. You may want to phone and get
their catalog since I believe they have a minimum order
of $25.00 for credit cards. BTW each volume has data on
over 500 radios, just in case you think the price is a
little high. If you have ever tried to get service
manuals on computer equipment you would think the $16.95
is a giveaway. 

Hope this is useful.

Bob.


Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: norm@b8.b8.ingr.com (Norm Howe)
Subject: Deadwood, S.D. gambling
Keywords: Craps
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:19:20 GMT

    I read an article yesterday about Deadwood, South Dakota having
quit a few "full blown" casinos now, with craps, blackjack, rolette,
and keno. I knew that gambling has been legal there for a long time,
but I didn't think they had any large casinos with all my favorite
Las Vegas games. Questions:
   1. Is it true?
   2. Has anyone been there and how did you like it?
   3. Are there plenty of hotels?
   4. How was the atmosphere in the casinos? I like the friendly
      employees at Vegas, Reno, and Tahoe but I vow never to go
      to Atlantic City again. They treat everyone like criminals
      there compared to out West.
   5. Do they have normal rules or do they have any funny rules
      on some games?

Post replies to rec.gambling or send to norm@ip4551.b8.ingr.com
and I will get them either way.
Thanks - Norm Howe

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: multi-action BJ
In-reply-to: hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov's message of Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:00:07 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
	<1992Sep15.180007.5801@kronos.arc.nasa.gov>
Distribution: usa
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:00:46

In article <1992Sep15.180007.5801@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall) writes:
> In article <JACOBS.92Sep15094043@cells.cs.utah.edu> jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep15.133747.19140@mcnc.org> yung@mcnc.org (Edward K. Yung) writes:
>
>>>It is claimed by experts in this newsgroup that the same basic strategy
>>>for regular BJ should be used in this game.  My question is related to
>>>the bankroll.
>>>Suppose my bankroll is Y, and the optimal bet size is X.
>>
>>If the optimal bet size is X, you should bet about X/3 on each of the
>>three spots.  The "true" optimal bet size will be slightly larger than
>>this since the bets are not entirely correlated, but this effect is small
>>enough that it isn't really worth worrying about.
>
>Um, I get the impression that Mr. Yung is not a card counter.

>So note that
>the optimal bet size is zero (or negative), or the required bankroll is
>infinite, given typical rules on a shoe game and basic strategy without
>card counting and a utility function that requires you have some chance
>of not losing in the long run.

]Q: I like to bet X.  How much should I bet on 3 multi-action spots?
]A: If you don't count cards, you shouldn't play.

Really useful comment, Michael.  You should followup all the craps/roulette
questions with "don't play, negative expectation".

The question wasn't "what is my optimal bet size?", the question was more
like "if my optimal bet size is X, what fraction of X should be placed on
each of 3 spots in a multi-action BJ game?".  Sheesh.
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Be afraid.  Be very afraid.  I have K-10 offsuit...."
From: wilding@cs.utexas.edu (Matthew Wilding)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: BJ FAQ list question
Date: 8 Sep 1992 11:53:03 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Jamie Lubin writes:
> This is in reference to the FAQ list, Blackjack question/answer B18,
> relating to which counting system is easiest to use.  The chart listed
> states that both REVERE PM & WONG HIGH-LOW use the same card weights.
> Why then do they have different complexities & powers??  Are there
> some unmentioned differences between the 2 counting systems??

  The Revere PM system has slightly fewer strategy deviations.  Also,
the Revere PM strategy deviations are based on whether the count is
positive while the Wong system has decision points at arbitrary count
levels.  Knowing this it's not surprising that both the complexity
rating (a subjective measure using a few guidelines) and the power
rating (an objective rating based on simulation results) are slightly
higher for the Wong system.

  I'll send a description of these results to anyone who requests it
from me via e-mail.

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano)
Subject: Re: football handicapping
Organization: RIT Research Corp
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:25:05 GMT

In article <winslade.716068001@cwis> winslade@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Winslade) writes:
 
>I did get the Gamblers' Mate software last weekend.

I've looked all over soda.berkeley.edu, and have been unable to find this file.
I'd love to try this out, but I can't if I can't get it.

Any suggestions?
From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: football handicapping
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:18:50 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Selections for the Week:

**  GIANTS    +3  over Dallas
**  CLEVELAND +2- over Miami
*   Va. Tech  +1- over E. CAROLINA


Season record 1-1, +1.9 Units

Last week 1-1, +1.9 Units

*   IOWA   +14- 7 Miami 24      L
*** DALLAS +2- 23 Washington 10 W
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From: jil@donuts0.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: BJ FAQ list question
Reply-To: jil@donuts0.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 15:27:31 GMT

This is in reference to the FAQ list, Blackjack question/answer B18, relating to
which counting system is easiest to use.  The chart listed states that both
REVERE PM & WONG HIGH-LOW use the same card weights.  Why then do they have
different complexities & powers??  Are there some unmentioned differences
between the 2 counting systems??
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: billodo@cyclone (Bill O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: Deadwood, S.D. gambling
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:53:51 GMT

norm@b8.b8.ingr.com (Norm Howe) writes:
:     I read an article yesterday about Deadwood, South Dakota having
: quit a few "full blown" casinos now, with craps, blackjack, rolette,
: and keno. I knew that gambling has been legal there for a long time,
: but I didn't think they had any large casinos with all my favorite
: Las Vegas games. Questions:
:    1. Is it true?
:    2. Has anyone been there and how did you like it?
:    3. Are there plenty of hotels?
:    4. How was the atmosphere in the casinos? I like the friendly
:       employees at Vegas, Reno, and Tahoe but I vow never to go
:       to Atlantic City again. They treat everyone like criminals
:       there compared to out West.
:    5. Do they have normal rules or do they have any funny rules
:       on some games?
: 
I just returned from a trip to the Black Hills, including one night in
Deadwood. We had an excellent time, although we came short of breaking
even.  I've never played anywhere else, although two people in our party
were Vegas veterans.  The concensus is that Deadwood is much more laid
back and relaxed than other gaming towns. The people are friendly, and the
atmosphere is great.  Number 10 Saloon has changed little from past years:
wood chips on the floor (originally used in 1890's to collect gold dust
dropped by careless prospectors), they keep gambling in the back...and
the bar in front...neat place.  The Midnight Star is Costner's place...
very nice.  

Deadwood has blackjack ($2min, $5max; 1 to 6 deck depending on where you
play), poker, slots.  Thats it.  Don't know about funny rules.

  
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From: jfr@glitter.RedBrick.COM
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Don't leave the car without 'em.
Date: 13 Sep 92 02:11:26 GMT
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA

In article <1992Sep10.184322.56267@uvmark.uucp> irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin) writes:
>There are now signs in the parking lot of the Foxwoods Casino in Ledyard,
>CT warning that children and pets left in cars will be reported to the
>local police.  It seems that there have been about a half dozen cases in
>which people have left kids in the car while they went into the casino
>to gamble.
 
  After pondering this for awhile, it might be concluded that it is
  better that they leave them in the car.  After all, they might be
  tempted to use the little buggers as collateral for a marker. :-)

  Jon Rosen
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: ronnie@media.mit.edu (Ron Schnell)
Subject: Video Poker, Bahamas
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:31:06 GMT


I have been out of touch for a while, so forgive me if this has
been mentioned.  I saw some video poker machines in Freeport this
weekend, that had a "gamble" option that could be used after you
win.  The machine draws an additional card from the deck, and you
bet your winnings on whether it will be red or black.  This seemed
very useful to me, especially if you win with a "high pair".  Once I
figured out how it worked, I started taking note of the color of
the cards that came out each hand (including the ones I discarded). 
If I got Jacks or better, I would gamble, selecting the color depending
on which one is most left in the deck.  It seemed to work really well.

Has there been any discussion of this here?  Should this be done on
winnings other than high pairs?  

#Ron
(ronnie@media.mit.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin)
Subject: Don't leave the car without 'em.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:43:22 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

There are now signs in the parking lot of the Foxwoods Casino in Ledyard,
CT warning that children and pets left in cars will be reported to the
local police.  It seems that there have been about a half dozen cases in
which people have left kids in the car while they went into the casino
to gamble.
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: yali@bnrca (Yawar Ali)
Subject: Re: Vegas World Cheats??
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 15:47:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.195201.16199@unixg.ubc.ca>, swood@unixg.ubc.ca (Stephen Wood) writes (in reference to the Vegas World promotion):

|> 
|> Ugh!  We know you don't read r.g. since you would have already been
|> warned of the *wonderful* promotion.  If no-one emails maybe you'll
|> look in on us again!
|> >

Sorry, I seem to have also missed the discussion of the Vegas World
promotion that is referred to above. I know someone who is considering
it, although I haven't looked into it myself. Could someone kindly 
post or email a summary of the rec.gamblers' analysis of this promotion.
Also, any info. about living & playing conditions at Vegas World in 
general would be much appreciated. 

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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: zwiebel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jeffrey Zwiebel)
Subject: Re: Money line vs. point spread?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:56:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.204950.18254@lsil.com> mitch@lsil.com writes:
>In article @rpi.edu, kinosr@rs6101.ecs.rpi.edu (Roy Kiyoshi Kinoshita) writes:
>>Does anyone know the money line equivalent of the point spreads?  Would
>>the money line of one team at +3 be the same for another team that's +3?
>>It would seem to make sense, but I don't know.
>>I'd appreciate any info. you may have (via email or posting).  Thanks.
>

I would also be interested in what is done in practice, but would be very
surprised if what you propose is true.  One of course reflects the 
liklihood that a given team wins, and the other reflects by how much they
win, and there is no reason to think there is a simple relationship
between the two.  Take for example two teams with very different playing
styles; say, UNLV's and Princeton's basketball teams.  A team that UNLV
could beat 80% of the time may be a team that in expectation they beat by
30 points (given their running style of play), whereas a team that 
Princeton can beat 80% of the time may be a team that they in expectation
only beat by 10 points.  Thus one should see similar money lines (odds)
but very different point lines for two such games.  

>I am not an expert on sports betting but I know a bit about it.  The money
>line and point spreads these days will not correlate 100% because there are
>a number of sophisticated bettors out there who are seeking to middle every
>game they possibly can.  If a line moves from the opening one way or the
>other, this will bring unseen action from those seeking to middle the game.
>While the point spread may adjust one way or the other a money line will
>probably be a more fine tuning type device to spread the action.
>
>My good friend Tuna Lund told me that if he ever opens a sports book that
>he would never change the opening line on any bets that he lays and that
>he would only move the money line.  This would prevent him from getting
>middled and at the same time allow him to adjust the flow of money on both
>sides of the bet accordingly.  Using this technique coupled with laying off
>bets with other bookies is probably the safest way to hedge against a big
>move one way or the other.
>
>For instance, Lompoc State opens at +12.5 against Cedar Rapids A&M and CRAM
>gets a ton of action.  Instead of changing the line to +13.5, +14.5, etc,
>you would adjust the money line from -1.10 to -1.20 to -1.40, etc., etc.
>encouraging more bettors to take the +12.5 even or +1.10.  Makes it look
>like they are not paying the vig, in a way.
>

This discussion makes little sense to me.  Why should the house dislike
it when betters take both sides of a points bet after the line has
changed any more than when they take both sides of an odds bet? 
Either way, if a better knows how the line will move (and if the line
moves sufficiently to cover for the house advantage), the better can
profit from such arbitrage.  Presumably, it is consequently not easy to 
predict such changes in the line.
 

Jeff
From: kinosr@rs6101.ecs.rpi.edu (Roy Kiyoshi Kinoshita)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Money line vs. point spread?
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:58:12 GMT

Does anyone know the money line equivalent of the point spreads?  Would
the money line of one team at +3 be the same for another team that's +3?
It would seem to make sense, but I don't know.

I'd appreciate any info. you may have (via email or posting).  Thanks.
From: slandrum@ntg.com (Stephen H. Landrum)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: SF CA gambling
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:48:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA

In article <1992Sep9.053652.11194@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> mgins@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Ginsberg) writes:
>I keep hearing about people gambling all across the country on rec.gambling.
>I spend all my gambling time in either Reno or Las Vegas (a few hour drive
>from where I am) and was wondering if there was gambling in California in the
>San Francisco area (I'm in Berkeley).  Respond either via email or to
>rec.gambling.

It depends on what you mean by gambling.

California has legalized horse race betting, card rooms, and the lottery.
In the card rooms, you can play lots of variations of poker and the Asian
games Pan and Pai Gow.  There are card rooms all over the bay area.  The
biggest one that is close to you would be the Oaks Club in Emeryville.
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From: jason@dcs.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: BJ conditions in Vegas
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:54:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep8.232930.21362@cbfsb.cb.att.com> lance@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (lance.r.ogasawara) writes:



>All, I'll be going to Vegas at the end of November and I'm interested in
>hearing peoples opinions about the best places to play blackjack. I used
>to like the 4-Queens single deck game but if they have the automatic
>shuffler described in an earlier net article I would assume the game
>is nowhere near as good. In the past I have also spent significant time
>at Frontier playing their single deck game but I am having serious
>doubts about the fairness of their game. (I'd like to hear opinions
>about this topic also.) Considering the favorable rules at Frontier,
>I have had rather dismal results.

Choose your dealer(s) wisely at the Frontier.  Many dealers there tend to 
have very awkward mechanical motions, flipping the cards from eye level.
Perhaps this is just a coincidence, perhaps not.  Also, many of the dealers
will pull the deck to their chests (perpendicular to the floor with the top
card resting against their chest) when waiting for a player to make a 
decision or while paying off bets.  Be very wary of this, even an amateur can
learn to "peek" at the top card like this.  There are many dealers at the
Frontier who deal without any awkward movements and who tend not to move the
deck around a lot, stick with these dealers.

>I'm starting to think that Jerkus Jerkus has the best single deck
>game (7 spots, DOA, S17, but what is penetration like if the table
>is not full?) Besides the Jerkus Jerkus and 4-Queens games, are
>there any other 7 spot, single deck, DOA games in Vegas. I would
>assume that there are some downtown but I can't think of any offhand.

Try the Excalibur.  I really like their full table game.  Make sure you're
getting two rounds of 7 every time though.  My partner occasionally had 
trouble with this with some of the dealers there.  They do have restricted
doubling (D 9,10,11), but I look at this as being a built-in variance
reducer.  I got a lot of heat at C^2, but then again, I did a lot of table
hopping in one part of the casino for many hours...

>Anyway, would I be better off looking at some of the more favorable
>double deck games? If I were to play one of these games I would be
>most interested in penetration and spread allowed. Does anyone
>have information about which double deck games have the best
>penetration and/or allow the most liberal spreads?

My opinion is that there are enough good single deck games around that DD
shouldn't need to be an option.  I agree that the Strip has very limited
single deck, but Downtown was looking very nice (at least the single deck
games were :) a few weeks ago.


Jason
jason@dcs.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gambling