From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Guy at Sun who got fired for nasty pos
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:22:21 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <ofv0ek8@fido.asd.sgi.com>, dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
> In article <11706@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# ## By not completely ostracizing NAMBLA, the "gay community" keeps the fringe
# ## of "acceptable" sexual expression on the fringe.  If NAMBLA is completely
# ## ostracized, then the people attacking the gay community will go after
# ## the people who are in the leather scene (or the drag queens or the
# ## transsexuals).  These groups are much more central to gay life, and by letting
# ## the fight enter that territory, it gets much closer to home.
# #
# #Imagine if the Republican Party Convention upcoming had people
# #holding up signs for the KKK, or Aryan Nations.
# 
# How about David Duke and Patrick Buchanan?

David Duke has been as vigorously shunned as anyone can be.
Every prominent Republican in the country endorsed Duke's Democratic
opponent.  You expect Duke to be at the convention as a delegate
or speaker? :-)

The comparison of the KKK to Pat Buchanan makes no sense.  There
are things that Buchanan said I liked, and things he said I didn't
like, and things that made me shudder, but he's hardly in the same
class as David Duke.

# #  "By not completely
# #ostracizing racists, the Republican Party keeps the fringe of
# #'acceptable' political expression on the fringe.  If racists are
# #completely ostracized, then the people attacking racism will go
# #after Christians (or pro-lifers or small business owners)."
# #Do you see the silliness of this argument?  Would you consider the
# #presence of such signs and groups at the RNC to be evidence of
# #something terribly sick?
# 
# No, I would not.  I recognize fringe groups for what they are.  Also,
# the republican party is much more homogenous that the gay "community".

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

# ## 4.  NAMBLA does not receive much actual support from the gay community
# ## in their goals.  If you actually read any of the gay weeklies, any time that
# ## NAMBLA appears or is in the news, you see many letters which attack NAMBLA.
# ## The primary way that they support NAMBLA is by attacking journalists who's
# ## "yellow journalism" is seem as homophobic.
# ## 
# ## FWA
# #
# #Just as KRON's coverage?  They kept emphasizing that the gay
# #community didn't support NAMBLA, but showed that NAMBLA rented space 
# #from one of the lesbian groups for their national convention.
# 
# The KRON report was almost entirely content free.  Most of their "facts"
# were completely incorrect.  Absolutely, positively incorrect.  There has
# been a paper (George, you were the one with the copy, right?) which 
# reviewed all of the statements made my KRON.  Most were just incorrect.

I heard a lot of whining, but I've seen no refutation of the fact
that NAMBLA funded an orphanage in Thailand in order to gain access
to prepubescent boys.  I've seen no refutation that many of the
current members of NAMBLA have ben convicted of charges involving
boys as young as 5.

# Now, Clayton, you seem to have ignore points one and two from my argument.
# You also seem to be saying, in your last paragraph, that you believe that
# most of the gay community does not support NAMBLA.  If this is the case,
# why do you keep bringing it up when you want to gay bash?
# 
# Jeff
# -FWA

I don't know how much support NAMBLA has in the gay community.  I know
that it has enough that it is apparently a major issue when the 
decision is made whether to exclude NAMBLA or not.  This hardly sounds
like a minor faction.


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