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From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Subject: "I Cherish A Certain Hope"
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:26:40 GMT


Czechoslovakia is so remote to me in every sense and I even don't know how
to spell its name, however, there's always something more or less related to 
it that would come into my notice one way or the other -- Queen's "Bohemian 
Rhapsody", "Spring of Prague", Milan Kundera's "The Unbearable Lightness of 
Being", Gustav Mahler, Czech Philharmonic Orchestra, etc..

However, Vaclav Havel has been my very watch point in Czechoslovakia since 1989.
I collect artilces about him and am to buy some of his books my colleague
introduced me.

Challenging the anti-intellectualism tradition which is so deeply rooted in
politics nowaday, Vaclav Havel stood up courageously and stepped down nontheless
gracefully. He has not disappointed me thus far and I am still amazed by his
talk of decency, good taste, and intelligence in politics.

Thinking about the rapidly vulgarized politics in Taiwan, I cannot help but
adore a so-called Western figure of this sort.

[Excerpt from TIME August 3, 1992]
Some Czechs believe that Havel is too idealistic for politics. But his 
resignation may prove to be the shrewdest move in the game. He may now help 
invent a new Czech constitution and then become the first President of the new
Czech state, with powers greater than those he has just abandoned.

In any case, Havel's moral importance transcends Central European politics. His
ideas aim toward formation of a kind of global civil society. The break up of
Czechoslovakia might be a sort of rehearsal for the problems involved in larger
rearrangements of the world order. Havel asserts values not often advanced in
world politics-courtesy, good taste, intelligence, decency, and above all,
responsibility. He asserted them against Communist regime. Anyone who thinks
Havel's values are charming but useless in the real world must consider that
the Communists are now gone.

Q. Are you relieved to have resigned?
A. I am quite relieved, almost happy actually, because always when I accomplish
   something or make an important decision, spurring others to act rather than
   reacting only to what is happening around me, it gives me a feeling of inner
   freedom and self-confirmation. And everyone needs such self-confirmation. It
   is one of the paradoxes of my life that I am experiencing such a creative
   feeling at the moment of my resignation.

Q. Some have said the possible breakup of Czechoslovakia would be a tragedy, 
   some say it is inevitable, some say it is a good thing.
A. If we become two stable democratic states, then the fact that we are not a
   large state is not a tragedy. If the breakup of our common state should lead
   to inner instability, chaos, poverty and suffering, then it would start to
   become a tragedy. The fact in itself that two state shall emerge out of one
   is not a tragedy. I do not feel any sentimental ties to the Czechoslovakia
   state. I do not place the highest value on the state, but rather on man and
   humanity
From: rehir@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Hirokatsu Watanabe 432-2275)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Fortune cookies, sushis, eggrolls etc.
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:59:36 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School


 am also wondering why the people here define "sushi" as raw
>   fish?  I've had so many sushis in my life and never once did
>   I see any sign of fish in my sushis!  (well, maybe dried fish
>   or something like that)

   Really? Have you been to 'Sushi ya', a special restaurant of
'Sushi', in Japan?  If so, you should had seen many raw fish on
rice.
   Surely there are many 'sushi' which don't include a raw fish,
as you wrote.  'Chirashi sushi' and 'Maki sushi' include 
dried gourd shavings, black mashroom, conger burnt, and 
several vegetables. 'Inari sushi' is a rice ball added vineger in 
a fried bean curd. 'Oshi sushi' used fishes added vineger.
   And originally 'Sushi' was rice and fish or shellfish which ferment
and included acidity. 'Sushi' means 'acid taste'. And still now
there are many this types of 'sushi' in Japan, 'Funa sushi' in
Shiga prefecture, 'Suzume sushi' in Osaka, etc.

   However, now 'Nigiri sushi' is most popular in Japan. It's a raw
fish on a rice ball added vineger.(only eel and conger are burnt)
 When many Japanese say 'Let's go to eat "sushi"', they usually 
go to eat 'Nigiri sushi'.
   'Nigiri sushi' was created at 'Edo', Tokyo now, in about 17-18
century. It's a new one in 'sushi's.

   I guess; (If I guess wrong, please forgive me)
If you got 'sushi' from some Japanese friends of yours, they might
avoid 'sushi' included raw fish, and give you 'sushi' not included
raw fish. For example, when I sometimes make 'sushi' here, I make
'maki sushi' not included raw fish. Because many people except
Japanese don't like raw fish.
   Or if you ate the home-made 'sushi' in Japanese home, you should
not see raw fish. The home-made 'sushi' is usually 'Maki sushi',
'Inari sushi' or 'Chirashi sushi', not include raw fish.
   Oh! I forget 'Temaki sushi'. It's recently very popular as
home-made 'sushi', and often include raw fish. 


>   Finally, where did the name Eggroll come from?  In Taiwan we call
>   them "Spring Roll", since we eat them during the spring on the
>   "Tomb Sweeping" day in April, and eventually it grew so popular
>   that people just eat them anytime.  But that still doesn't
>   explain where the EGG comes from!  :-)  What I know as an eggroll
>   is like a fruit rollup made of egg!

   Thank you for your information. You taught me why it is called 
'Spring Roll'. Japnese also goes to 'Tomb Sweeping' in Spring and
Autumn.

**********************************
*       Hirokatsu Watanabe       *
**********************************
From: jch@netcom.com (Jack Hwang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Independence Four were dismissed
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:41:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Just read from the newspaper: the Independance Four case was dismissed
by Superior Court.  Since the modification of Code 100, the case was
returned to Superior Court by Supreme Court.  The Superior Court then
ruled that the defendants were not "using violance or compelling" and
dismissed the case.

Look back at the past one year, this case did cause a lot of tensions
and conflicts.  However, it did help the political reform in Taiwan.
Everybody is the winner except for the conservatives.  They might have
never imaged that the case would cost them so much.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: fchen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (FuGwo Chen)
Subject: Taiwan 20, Spain 0
Followup-To: fu-gwo@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
 Yessssssssssssssss!
 Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
 Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:21:40 GMT

Taiwan 20 vs Spain 0. Just got it from clari.sport.omlympic.
Not nice to the host. But, well....
We got another one.


-- 
Fu-Gwo Chen                     | The old believe everything;                |
Northwestern University -KGSM   | the middle-age suspect everything;         |
708-491-2870                    | the young know everything.                 |
fu-gwo@nwu.edu                  |     -- from fortune cookie                 |
From: ping@summit.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Ping Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Summer Olympics: Overall Medals Standings
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:44:56 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Summer Olympics: Overall Medals Standings

          (THROUGH 75 EVENTS)
COUNTRY     GOLD SILVER BRONZE  TOTAL
Unified Team  19      8      10     37
United States 12     13      11     36
China          8     12       4     24
Germany        4      5       9     18
Hungary        7      4       2     13
France         1      3       8     12
Australia      3      3       4     10
Italy          1      3       4      8
Japan          2      2       4      8
South Korea    5      0      2      7
Poland         3      2      2      7
Cuba           2      3      1      6
Sweden         0      3      3      6
Bulgaria       1      4      0      5
Romania        0      1      4      5
Britain        1      1      2      4
New Zealand    0      2      2      4
Turkey         2      1      0      3
Netherlands    0      0      3      3
Spain          2      0      0      2
Norway         1      1      0      2
Canada         1      0      1      2
Independent Team (Yugoslavia)
               0      0      2      2
Brazil         0      1      0      1
Peru           0      1      0      1
Latvia         0      1      0      1
Israel         0      1      0      1
Belgium        0      0      1      1
Finland        0      0      1      1
Mongolia       0      0      1      1
Surinam        0      0      1      1
North Korea    0      0      1      1
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ner@banana.ithaca.ny.us (Steven Lee)
Subject: Re: Radar detector in Taiwan ?
Organization: The Twisted Banana BBS, Ithaca NY (US)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:37:11 GMT

tsai@Veritas.COM (Cary Tsai) writes:

> 
> Hi there:
> 
> I know speeding is not the right thing to do, but I don't think guys
> who got speeding tickets (once a while) are the bad guys.
> 
> My brother is visiting me, he and my dad got some speeding tickets
> (all for business trips). So I like to buy them a radar dector as a gift
> to him. I know that the speeding ticket is mailed with the picture taken
> by the radar in Taiwan. I saw the ad of 'passport 3200' claiming that 
> it can detect the ka wideband radar (such as photo radar, and staller).
> 
> Is the police dept. (or any institution) using the photo radar in
> the taiwan's highway? Is this device, the radar dector can detect the ka band
> going to reduce the speeding tickets in Taiwan? Does any one out there
> have (or know) the gadget can beat the photo radar? 

I don't know the answer to your question.  However, I doubt such 
device is legal there.  It's illegal even in some states here....

--
ner@banana.ithaca.ny.us (Steven Lee)
The Twisted Banana BBS, Ithaca, NY
From: chen@math.ufl.edu (HanCheng Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Olympic baseball
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:37:13 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.
Originator: cl3@shark.cis.ufl.edu


 Chinese Taipei defeated Puerto Rico 10-1. 
 The remaining schedule of Chinese Taipei:
      Wednesday, July 29     vs. Spain
      Friday, July 31        vs. Dominican Republic
      Saturday, Aug. 1       vs. Japan
      Sunday, Aug. 1         vs. Cuba
From: mao@acuson.com (Ken Mao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Taiwan Olympic Results II
Keywords: Olympics, results, taiwan
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:24:16 GMT
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

hankwong@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Y. Wong) writes:

>@#$&! local papers are only printing the top 15 or top 25 finishers, so 
 ^^^^^
>there's probably more results that I missed. Gan!  Oh well, such is life...
                                              ^^^^^
 @#$&! is OK, but I would hope that all netters in this group can
 be decent enough not to use the other curse in this public forum.

 -- Ken Mao
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: chaoli@merlin.tcs.com (Chao-Li Tarng)
Subject: Re: American-Chinese food (was Re: fc, sushi, egg/spring rolls)
Organization: Teknekron Comm. Sys., Inc., Berkeley, Ca.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:45:00 GMT

In article <3976@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> rkwst+@pitt.edu (Raymond K. Wong) writes:

> Egg rolls and spring rolls are not the same.  Egg rolls are Chinese-American
> invention, and usually spring rolls (or Shanghai spring rolls) are what we
> Cantonese are mostly familiar with.  

I would say egg rolls are adapted, rather than a new invention, from
Choon Juen3.  The major difference is the wrapper.  The egg roll
wrapper is much thicker than that of Choon Juen and usually is in
square (Choon Juen's wrapper is in circle).  I remember when I was
young, I love to see how people made Choon Juen Pi---holding a very
elastic round of dough on one hand and kind of wiping the dough on a
heated steel plate for one circle.  A thin layer of dough would stick
to the plate and gets cooked.  Then the thin layer is peeled off.  It
is more amazing than watching pizza makers tossing pizza doughs to the
ceiling.

There is another variation of Choon Juen in Taiwan.  We call it Roon3
Bin2 (any Taiwanese linguistic please translate it).  We use the same
wrapper but does not deep fry it.  Major ingredients include shredded
pork, omellete, Chinese chive (Jo3 Chai4), kidney bean, carrot, you
name it.  These ingredients are all stirred fried seperately without
seasoning--no salt absolutely.  We usually prepared more than a dozen
dishes, drain any liquid off and let them cool off a bit.  Then adults
and kids each get a couple of Choon Juen Pi and start off to make
their own Roon Bin.  We liked to compete by making the largest Roon
Bin without breaking the wrapper before finishing it up.  I forget to
mention that we add sugar (refined) and ground peanut as the only
seasonings while wrapping.

It is a tradition that we serve Roon Bin in Ching Ming2 (April 4 or 5).

I have tasted spring rolls in Vietnamese restaurants.  They call them
Cha Gio (?).  They are served with raw vegetables and fish sauce.  It
is a different flavor.

> 
> Moo goo gai pan (mushroom chicken) is Toi San's pronounciation of 
> Mo gu gai pin.  Why use the Chinese instead of Mushroom chicken?   Well,
> just like Lo Mein or Wonton.  Maybe that makes it sound more authentic.
> You know, you would expect to find Fetuccini Parmasan in an Italian 
> restaurant or Teriyaki in a Japanese restaurant, right?
> 
> And what is this Chop Shey ("mixed shredded") thingy?   Many older Americans
> only recognize Chinese food in some form or another of Chop Shey.  Yuck!
> 
> Ray
> -- 
> Raymond K. Wong                                 
> E-mail: rkwst@unix.cis.pitt.edu, rkwst+@pitt.edu, rkw@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
> E-mail: sm/pgh/ray%sm@mcimail.com                                       
> other:  70724.1416@Compuserve.com                            /2./<.vV.          
--
Chao-Li Tarng, Ph.D., Systems Engineer	Voice:    (505)-649-3455
Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc.	Fax:      (505)-649-3575
2121 Allston Way			Internet: chaoli@tcs.com
Berkeley, CA 94704			UUNet:    tcs!chaoli
From: hc0@reef.cis.ufl.edu (HanCheng Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Question on Taiwan baseball (was Re: Taiwan Olympics Results)
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:24:24 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.
Originator: cl3@shark.cis.ufl.edu

>>> Just heard we lost to USA 10-9.  Can anybody confirm??
>>This piece of information is correct.  Actually I think the guys
>>are doing OK, only losing one point to the US. US was the champion
>>in Seoul Olympics.  This time the baseball is an official item, and
>>we can expect that the US will select a good team for the medal.
>>I will be happy if the Taiwan baseball team can win a bronze medal,
>>which is possible, but the boys have to fight real hard.

>Just wondering, are the professional baseball players in the Taiwanese
>league playing in the Olympics?

 No. But most of the players will turn pro after the Olympics Game.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: lmh@medg.lcs.mit.edu (Minghsun Liu)
Subject: Re: NBC......Gan!
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 05:24:11 GMT

In article <19616@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) writes:
Path: mintaka.lcs.mit.edu!yale!gumby!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ncar!noao!arizona!bsou
   From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
   Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
   Date: 27 Jul 92 03:19:31 GMT
   References: <uc=vHfkfp8@atlantis.psu.edu>
   Sender: news@cs.arizona.edu
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   In article <uc=vHfkfp8@atlantis.psu.edu>, jclee@atlantis.psu.edu (Chieh-Sheng Lee;;blue) writes:

   > I waited two hours just for seeing the appearance of the athletes from
   > "Chinese Taipei" in the opening ceremony of the Olympics, and finally

   Was it really that long?

   > it's "Swaziland". After the commercial, however, the camera switched
   > to the Torch outside the stadium and what did I see next? "Tchekoslovakia"
   > (Czechoslovakia).........

   I tuned in at the time that i's appeared, so I didn't notice the
   unfortunate disappearance of Chinese Taipei....
   So, do we have any good teams that are capable of winning a metal???
   Which teams DO WE HAVE anyway?

   > I can't help but say: Gan, NBC! (If my memory serves me right, they

   No no no no no...you've gotta say it all!  :-)

   By the way, I thought that whole scene with the torch and the arrow
   shot was magnificent.  Couldn't help wonder:  What would happen if
   he have missed???  (hijo de muy grandisma...)


   Brandon
   --
   Brandon S. Ou               Computer Science    
   University of Arizona       Tucson, Arizona
   Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
   " It's up to YOU... "  - Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison, "JFK" 

Supposedly the guy has practiced that shot for more than 1000 times.
Besides, they had a backup plan in which they would just light the
thing the old-fashioned way.

- Minghsun
From: liuc@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Chia-Liang Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Join United Nation
Date: 25 Jul 92 09:44:17 GMT
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering

In article <l70r0oINN310@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>
>What is good for ROC to stay in UN as Taiwan?
>Since ROC lost the seat, ROC has saved a huge amount of money for membership.
>ROC used to pay membership for .4 billion population (UN charge membership
>based on population, ROC paid that since UN was founded).

Taiwan only need to pay for 20 million.

>UN was so rediculous and un-realiatic to do so, isn't it?  


-- 
Ka-Leung Lau ( Chia-Liang Liu )
Digital Communications Research Laboratory
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering 
University of California, Davis (Cal Aggies)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:11090 soc.culture.hongkong:9100 soc.culture.china:20665
From: klp@doe.carleton.ca (Ka Lun Pang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Racial Problem? (was: Voice to change of voter.)
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:27:33 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University

In <YwQ--q+@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:

>>
>Chinese culture is different for American culture. As a matter of
>fact, it is very rare for a Chinese man to marry an American woman.
             ^^^^^^^^^

NOT!


>The reputation of American woman has been the worst in the 
>world since the sex liberation. I have heard this joke from people
>in many country. American husband does not know where his wife
>will sleep tonight. It may be the racist's opinion. But it may be
>a part of American culture. 

Hi Jian, how many American women do you know? Three including your profs?
While I found the "New Element Wo" article rather funny, your opinion is
really really racist, sexist and stupid.

>One day on TV, I saw an American woman proudly told the public
>that she had sex with more than 4,000 man. Her daughter was standing
>with her and she could not tell who is her daughter's father.
>She also has a lot of theories about why she should have so many
>sex partners. I can not imagine this happens in China nor any
>other country in the world.

So there was one big slut in the population, what's the big deal? We've
got some rated "R" and "XXX" stars from HK and China too.
	
>The decay of a society is the beginning of a country's falling.
>It is the time for American to come back to Jesus. This is
>the only way for America avoid the fall.

Jian, honestly, I think you are losing it. Now get out of the lab or the
computer room and know someone. This is perhaps the only way for you to
avoid the fall.

Good luck.

klp
From: liuc@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Chia-Liang Liu                                                                   Ka -Leung Lau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Our Olympic Baseball Team vs US Team (Was Re: Bad News)
Keywords: Baseball
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:40:31 GMT
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering

In article <2161@tymix.Tymnet.COM> mikemo@bullwinkle.Tymnet.COM (Mike Mo) writes:
>
>But Taiwan was the Champion in Los Angles Olympics in 1984.
>
>SO, we stand a fairly good chance to beat USA, if meet USA again in the finals.
>

I think Taiwan was the third in L.A. Olympics. Moreover Taiwan lost
every game in Seoul. Hope they can beat Cuba and win the Championship
this time.

-- 
Ka-Leung Lau ( Chia-Liang Liu )
Digital Communications Research Laboratory
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering 
University of California, Davis (Cal Aggies)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Re: God knows ! Re: Racial Problem?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:52:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.195419.14251@rigel.econ.uga.edu> jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu writes:
->
->In response to:
->>>>>I don't like western women because they are too lazy.
->
->bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
->>>>Now i know why there's so many "i can't find a girlfriend!" posts in
->>>>scc......
->
->In article <1992Jul29.174121.> bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
->>In article <1992Jul29.150731.11665> jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu writes:
->>>
->>>Now, I don't recall anybody on scc said they could not find a girlfriend.
->>>Maybe your ex's did, but not openly on scc. Offer your apologies please. 
->>
->>actually, you are right - i was confusing my newsgroups.  my apologies
->>for an incorrect statement.
->
->Guys listen, she is pretty cool.

why thanx.

->>thus to address the first point:
->>
->>->>->I don't like western women because they are too lazy.
->>
->>being a western woman myself who is a software designer that works
->>60+ hour weeks for fun, i'd be most interested in your reasoning behind
->>your statement.
->
->Now will you make it clear that it was not me who made that statement.

couldn't have been you, that line was prefaced by a different number
of ->>->>-> etc.  sorry for the confusion.

->I disagree with the generalization of "western" women being lazy, and
->in fact I think most housewives keep their house really clean; cleaner
->than the Chinese counterpart. 

now *that* i would find extremely difficult to believe!!  this might
be because i am inherently a non-neat person, and the majority of my 
ex's insisted on cleanCleanClean houses.....i always thought that 
asian folks kept their homes neater.

now that i think of it, i too fall prey to stereotypes.....
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: be honest and you might get some respect
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 27 Jul 1992 00:49:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.221704.22788@ncsu.edu> shchen@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:
>
>What's wrong with that?  Who wants to be a stinking Chinese all their lives.

Another racist.

Chou1