HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lytras@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Lytras Apostolos)
Subject: Re: Prices on c.s.n.announce
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:01:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.193432.14085@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>Whatever it takes to put those prices back in should be done. This is 
>virtually the only platform to do this. We look like fools, apart from the
>fact that the announcements come off looking as  though they have been 
>through some kind of censorship. So I would certainly back your request for
>a vote on this. If the moderator won't go along with it, perhaps there could
>be a vote on him and/or the group being moderated. The whole thing is 
>ridiculous.

I disagree strongly. This is not what Usenet is about, we *certainly*
don't look like fools if we respect Usenet tradition, and it is *not* a
ridiculous thing to (as you put it) "censor" (I'd rather say "moderate")
these postings. If you read news.answers from time to time, you can find
more info on what Usenet is, and what it isn't. I am quoting Gene
Spafford's "What is Usenet?" article here:

 7. Usenet is not an advertising medium.

    Because of Usenet's roots in academia, and because Usenet depends
    so heavily on cooperation (sometimes among competitors), custom
    dictates that advertising be kept to a minimum.  It is tolerated
    if it is infrequent, informative, and low-hype.

    The "comp.newprod" newsgroup is NOT an exception to this rule:
    product announcements are screened by a moderator in an attempt to
    keep the hype-to-information ratio in check.

    If you must engage in flackery for your company, use the "biz"
    hierarchy, which is explicitly "advertising-allowed", and which
    (like all of Usenet) is carried only by those sites that want it.

Why should c.s.n.a overrule a widely accepted rule like this? This just
is not the place to put pricing information. If the demand for such
information is really big, then one should rather think of making the
un"censored" articles available on an archive server. So people who want
it, can get it, but people who object to commercializing Usenet to this
point won't be offended. This discussion is not ridiculous, but rather
annoying, because the rules are there, they're widely respected and
accepted, and there has not been *one* good reason for changing them in
this discussion, so far (IMHO, of course, you may perceive things
differently).

Just my 0.02 sFr.

- Apostolos

-- 
	 lytras@ifi.unizh.ch   		|   Apostolos Lytras
	 lytras@avalon.physik.unizh.ch	|   Informatik Club der Uni
	 lytras@amiga.physik.unizh.ch  	|   Zuerich, SysAdmin
From: dqw@appleton (Diane Webb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Color Printer supplies?
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:48:40 GMT
Followup-To: dqw@esl.com

Does anyone know of third party sources for supplies (ink cartridges,  
special paper, transparency film) for the NeXT Color Printer?

Also, has anyone tried using ink jet transparency film in the Color  
Printer?

Diane
dqw@esl.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola)
Subject: Re: Stability of Next as a company
Reply-To: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 16:27:57 GMT

Jim Becker writes
> not  finding  a decent NeXT store in all of Silicon Valley,
> and having to go to San Francisco to find one, does not
> bode well for mass market sales.  people need to see the
> machine to fall in love with it, after all. 
> 
Amen
--
-
Stefano Pagiola
Food Research Institute, Stanford University
spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: Neil Greene <deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu>
Subject: NS 3.0 specs
Reply-To: Neil Greene <deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu>
Organization: ARCI, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:51:00 GMT

Could someone post the new specs for 3.0 for ptys, threads, processess, user  
processes, etc.  

Thanks!!

---
Neil Greene 
Director, Computer Information Systems ARCI, Inc.
President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc.
Email: deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu [NeXTmail]
Soon to be: neil@kynug.org, neil@benchmark.com
-- 
Neil Greene 
Director, Computer Information Systems ARCI, Inc.
President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc.
Email: deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu [NeXTmail]
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: CD-ROM question, NeXT customer support gripe
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:47:31 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

I waited eight months on back order after purchasing a 210meg system
with 2.0 extended on floppy (shipped as 2.1), so this time I'm not holding 
my breath. Couple of months later 3.0 was announced (boy their quick).
All and all NeXT has been fair about things in regard to shipping
Fed Ex.


maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: palkar@chaos.ee.ufl.edu
Subject: HELP - Environment
Distribution: comp.sys.next
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 15:29:39 GMT

Hi,

I am new to NeXT. However I have started to like it. However I have a  
problem. I have more access to SUN and HP machines. Is it possible to set  
the display to sun/hp. I use rlogin to login to NeXT.

Thank you.
From: malexand@aludra.usc.edu (Michael Alexander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Photo CD & Next CD-ROM ?
Date: 29 Aug 1992 13:46:36 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Since it's not "extended architecture",is there any way to read Kodak Photo CDs?

Cheers,
Michael in LA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Renderman *.rib example files?  FTP site?
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:34:17 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <rabjab.27.0@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof)  
writes:
> There's some stuff on sonata.cc.purdue.edu in /pub/next/submissions:
> 
>    look for ribs.README and ribs.tar.Z

There'll probably be a directory just for this sort of
thing soon.  (Read as "as soon as ab figures out where and
what it should be".)  Having RenderMan around is going to
be a real treat.  Having objects and shaders available on
the Archives will be a necessity. 

ab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: todd@liveware.com
Subject: Re: Renderman references
Keywords: Renderman 3Dkit and more
Reply-To: todd@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:14:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.042713.21742@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>  
ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson) writes:
> What do you we use for Renderman References in 3.0

How about

o	/NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/GeneralRef/17_3DKit
o	Renderman Companion by Steve Upstill, 1989
o	Fundamentals of Interactive Computer Graphics
o	Source from the net...
o	Your friends heads ;')  [ inexpensive and fun ]

Regards,

Todd Nathan
Liveware Corporation
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP Release 3
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:28:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.Bu0GGA.ApD
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

yikes@netcom.com (Jenny Doll) writes:

>woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) writes:
>>Now you say I need a floppy drive to read the floppy  
>>so I can read the CD-ROM!!

>All the floppy does (I think!) is boot from the CDROM, just to make it 
>easy for folks who don't want to Command~ and type the command themselves
>I forget the syntax for booting off of the CDROM, but it's just the same
>as any SCSI disk drive.

I believe that people with ROM Monitors previous to v3.0 cannot boot
from a CD-ROM drive with 2.x, they need the floppy to install the proper
kernel so that they can boot from the CD-ROM.
-- 
David Lemson                                                 (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant  / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                 UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                   BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths)
Subject: Re: Prices on c.s.n.announce (LONG: FROM MODMAN)
Keywords: MODMAN long csna comp.sys.next.announce VOTING formats
Organization: Primitive Software Ltd.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:45:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.222053.25451@liveware.com> modman@liveware.com writes:
>
>[deleted]
>Pascal has said more accurately in 3 paragraphs
>than I can in a lifetime.  Indeed there are commercial-free
>subnets, and I don't want to exclude them from information
>due to the fact that prices are or are not included (as stated
>above).  

Why don't you create a subgroup called c.s.n.announce.prices, whose
contents are identical to c.s.n.announce except WITH the unmodified pricing
info? (Bandwidth on this group is so low as to make the duplication a
non-issue). That way, these commercial-free subnets can just refuse to carry 
csna.prices.

Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity)
Subject: Coda
Keywords: musical score drawing
Reply-To: daugher@cs.tamu.edu
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:52:10 GMT

Whatever happened to Coda's porting to the NeXT their super musical score
drawing package???

--
Walter C. Daugherity			Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu
Texas A & M University			uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher
College Station, TX 77843-3112		BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS
	---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson)
Subject: NeXT's CD-ROM power?
Summary: NeXT's CD-ROM power?
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:57:20 GMT

Does anybody know if NeXT's CD-ROM works with 240V like their other hardware.
If it doesn't this is a major fault.
From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: BANG phone number please.
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 22:10:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.181326.28671@sinix.UUCP> tim@sinix.UUCP (Tim  
Bissell) writes:
> Could somebody mail me the BaNG phone number?  Their info only has it
> in letter form (415 327 BANG) and my European phone has only numbers on
> it.

415-327-2264. This is a voice mailbox. There is no phone attached to this  
number. Email can me sent to info@BANG.org. We apologize for recent delays  
in answering email. The young lady who answers email requests returned  
from vacation today.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
--
I believe George Bush, Anita Hill, and Pinocchio.
From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Swapfile Compression
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:07:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

> Uh, I *REALLY* Don't think compress=lzw/packbits/etc.  That
> would be totally retarded, not to mention totally unuseable on
> an '030 and damn near it on an '040.  I would gather compressed
> = compacted in that the holes in the swapfile are reused more
> wisely and the paging system tries to keep the swapfile to a
> minimum ... 

Uh, wrong.  According to NeXT at NeXTworld Expo the 'swaptimizer'
would actually compress individual pages.  Beta 3.0 releases will
do this by default ONLY on 8MB RAM machines.  Holes in the
swapfile ARE reused in 2.x.  The problem is that pages at the end
of the swapfile allocated by, say, the Workspace Manager or the
Window Server keep the swap from being truncated.  They need to
be able to intelligently MOVE pages in the swapfile (logically,
not necessarily physically).  Tough problem and still unsolved in
3.0.


> This growing rumor is totally unfounded and technically silly
> IMNSHO.

It actually makes sense since:

1) A task that is swapping is blocked.
2) The Window Server is the most likely task to swap.
3) The Window Server is not threaded.
4) All NeXT apps block pending replys from the Window Server on a
   regular basis.

What NeXT really needs to do is thread the window server!
(Assuming that only one thread in a task is blocked during
swapping... which could be patently untrue.  Anybody know for
sure?).

Blake
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: C compiler optimization
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:44:52 GMT


What version of gcc? The one shipped as cc with 2.1? More data, more
data....

-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)		"int - God's own type"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: moksha!mgb (Michael Branton)
Subject: Re: Purchasing hard drive?
Reply-To: mgb@stetson.bitnet
Organization: Totally Disorganized
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:09:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.153404.26679@sol.UVic.CA> gfield@mordor.UVic.CA (Glen  
Field) writes:
> I'm considering purchasing a hard drive for my NeXT (> 400 MB). From the ads  
in  
> the back of NeXTWORLD I have found the following vendors; Park Systems  
> Technology, Tecor, Cube Route and PLI. If anyone has any experience dealing  
> with any of these companies (good or bad) I'd like to hear about it. Thank  
you.
> 

I've spent quite a lot of time in the last week phoning vendors about hard  
drives. I've called all of those you've mentioned, as well as Acropolis  
(1-800-735-4311; talk to Mark Connely; I'm probably going to buy from him),
Quick (1-800-800-5500), Fast Access (1-708-530-7749), Falcon (1-800-326-1002),
Spherical Solutions (1-415-383-7512; talk to Sam; I may buy from him), Relax  
(1-510-471-6112), Tass Optical World (1-619-558-8882), Conner (1-708-526-3935),  
and  East Coast (1-308-683-0339).

Fast Access, Spherical,Tass,Tecor and Cube Route were the most NeXT  
knowledgeable (or appeared so.) Conner, East Coast and Acropolis had the best  
prices. Acropolis and Tass had good warranty service (24-48 hr turn around.)

---


-Michael


  ...uflorida!ki4pv!moksha!mgb   (NeXT mail)  UUCP

  mgb@stetson.BITNET 
-- 


-Michael

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson)
Subject: Max memory for NSC
Summary: Max memory for NSC
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:56:02 GMT


Can anybody tell me how much memory you can put in a NextStation Color. (25MHZ)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: preuss@mozart.sfsu.edu (Peter Preuss)
Subject: Re: Handling foreign payments.
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:59:09 GMT

In article <SCOTT.92Sep3005800@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes:
>Having just had a run-in with my bank, I'm turning to the only
>source of information I apparently have left.  Everyone else has
>had plenty of advice, but none of it's really all that great (no
>slight intended, guys!).
>
>My problem is that my bank wants $35 to turn a check drawn on a
>German bank into dollars in my account.  This is _not_ including
>changing the money, if that's needed.  Since NeXT is such a world-wide
>machine, I'm most likely not alone in this problem.  But, I've
>never seen any postings about it.
>
>What do other people do to solve this problem?  Do people just
>require checks drawn on US banks?  [That, of course, just moves
>the onus onto the sender instead of the receiver.]  How do things
>work with dealers?  For instance, can a German dealer process funds
>from France reasonably, or does one have to have dealers in every
>blasted country?  Are there any options on-the-cheap?  [The problem
>is obviously entirely different depending on whether your program
>costs $500 or $50!]  Would it be worthwhile to have an account on
>a Swiss bank and have people do direct deposit?
>
>[Forgive me if you see this as an overly commercial posting.  I'm
>pretty desperate.  And, hopefully this will help other people out
>with the problem, which should help the market as a whole ...
>besides, if you think I'm using this to help me in my selfish
>money-grubbing, you can feel free to stop by sometime and look at
>the balance in my bank account.  I'm _obviously_ not very good at
>grubbing money ...]
>
>Thanks,
>--
>scott hess <shess@ssesco.com>  <Who achieved programmer nirvana on Aug 11th>
>12901 Upton Avenue South, #326  Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
>   <Text: One Class to bring them all and in the darkness bind them ...>

Money transfers between most european countries can be done for free
via PostBanks. Other banks will charge between $5 and $10. But transatlantic
charges seem to be the same on both sides ;-(

You could:
- use plastic
- request AMEXCO [or other] Traveller's Checks
- open an account in europe and request EuroChecks, which are guaranteed
	for amounts up to ~$300 [you have to send them back tho], or direct
	deposits.

Peter.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher)
Subject: Re: MATLAB
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:00:19 GMT

In article <cwagner.715566925@ee.ualberta.ca> cwagner@ee.ualberta.ca (Chad Wagner) writes:
>Does any one know if MATLAB has been ported to the NeXT?
>
	I think it's time we put this one in the FAQs. 

	The 83 version of the original PD Matlab has been ported to  the
	NeXT and is on the archives. The current MathWorks MATLAB has
	not been officially ported to the NeXT, as Cleve Moler still 
	thinks that there is not a large enough market to support it.
	There have been a couple of email and write-in campaigns to try
	and convince MW to do the port, even as an X-windows version, but
	no luck yet. Send your interest/remarks to:

		info@mathworks.com

	Add your data point to the matrix!

	Charlie


>If not do other people want MATLAB on their NeXTs?
>
>Electrical Engineering Sudent
>Chad G. Wagner
>cwagner@bode.ee.ualberta.ca


-- 
	NeXTMail to:		|	...to confer, converse, and 
	charlie@technosci.com	|	otherwise hobnob with my    
				|	brother wizards.	    

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith)
Subject: Suggestions for AppSoft
Organization: Brigham Young University -- Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 13:57:51 GMT

Ok, you boys (and girls) at AppSoft, want to make me and a lot of other  
(potential) users of WriteNow happy??  Could you PLEASE include an overstrike
feature in the new version? Want another suggestion?  
In your FIND panel, allow for substitution with other fonts!
How about better handling of imported graphics??
Oh yeah, now that I've written 4-500 or so pages of technical stuff in
the old version, please let the new one open my old documents?!
-Bill
--
Professor William V. Smith
Phone: 1-801-378-2061 Fax: 1 801 378 2800
email: smithw@hamblin.math.byu.edu  or  uunet!hamblin.math.byu.edu!smithw
NeXTmail: bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu
SMail: Math Dept. -- 314 TMCB; BYU; Provo, UT 84602 (USA)
From: zazula@pri.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce
Subject: ARCHIVES: NeuralNetworkClasses are on Purdue archive site
Keywords: Neural Network HashTable Back-Propagation Pinnacle PRI
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:32:29 GMT
Reply-To: zazula@pri.com
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Pinnacle Research, Inc.

Hi -

I have uploaded the file "NeuralNetworkClasses.tar.Z" to the cs.orst.edu and  
nova.cc.purdue.edu archive sites.  It contains an updated version of the  
neural-net stuff I posted a while back.  It has a few more example files as  
well as a variation of the Neuron object that uses a HashTable data-structure  
to store the connections - this seems to run faster for larger networks.

>From the README:

The classes contained are:

  Neuron                Implements a number of different types of neurons
  Neuron-HT             Same as above with HashTable data-structure
  BackPropEngine        Implements a back-propagation network

The Example files are:

bptest - An example of using the BackPropEngine (BPE) to perform the identity  
function

boltz - An example of using stochastic Neurons to implement a Boltzman machine.   
This example implements the XOR function

hoptest - An example of a Hopfield associative-memory network

weighted_matching - An neural-network solution to the weighted-matching problem

Ralph
---
Ralph Zazula
Pinnacle Research, Inc.
zazula@pri.com (NeXT Mail)
(602)529-1135
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce
From: ems@its.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce
Subject: ARCHIVES: Color WorldClock is on archives.  New Version
Keywords: WorldClock color new version NeXT archives
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:14:44 GMT
Reply-To: ems@its.com
Followup-To: poster
Organization: ITS, Inc.

Information Technology Solutions, Inc.
400 West Erie, Suite 301
Chicago, IL  60610

800/ 394 - 4487

Ted Shelton
ems@its.com

ANNOUNCING COLOR WORLDCLOCK

The popular ITS utility WorldClock is now shipping in a color version.  The  
expanded application also has an API for creating
new clocks which will be supported by an as - yet unreleased
"clock-builder" to allow users to custom create their own clock types.

WorldClock is an application which allows users to create multiple clocks for  
different time zones and configure them in the Workspace. Especially useful for  
international NeXT users, WorldClock supports 24 hour clocks and am/pm style  
clocks.  Clocks can be labeled with either the time zone name or any label the  
user wishes.

WorldClock has three other features -- an extensive alarms capability (launch  
applications or files, send messages, run shell scripts) a set of timers, and a  
timestamp service accessible from any application through the services menu.

Product information and pricing available immediately from ITS.  A  
demonstration version will be made available through the usual anonymous ftp  
sites or by mail by sending a message to ems@its.com.
From: stahr@bbn.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce
Subject: USERGROUP: Boston Computer Society NeXT Usergroup Meeting
Keywords: Boston MIT Objects with Attitude
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:41:04 GMT
Reply-To: stahr@bbn.com
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Boston Computer Society

Boston Computer Society NeXT Usergroup Meeting
Tuesday September 1, 7 PM
MIT Room 1-190

Active Objects With Attitude -
Thinking about Building Big Systems

Michael B. Johnson, from the MIT Media Lab Computer Graphics and
Animation Group, talks about "Active Objects" and how his work with
autonomous animated characters leads to the next step beyond NeXTSTEP
3.0's Distributed Objects.

Group discussion, Q&A, Rumor of the Month, and more!

Directions: Enter MIT via main entrance on Massachusetts Avenue. 
Immediately turn right following large corridor through several buildings
to building 1. 1-190 is at the very end adjacent to Memorial Drive.