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From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Man, that was FUN!
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:16:46 GMT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Sep10.231647.18204@wixer.cactus.org>, lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes:
> In article <18l0q3INN49i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>Not only are there no rules, there are no officers, noone has any
>>authority.  Membership has always been, and shall always be, as free
>>and open as it is meaningless.
> But if there are no rules, then ANYONE can claim DoD membership, using any
> number they please. (blah, blah)

just because there are no rules, that does not mean one who usurps a
dod number will not get their butt flamed up and down the list. 
taboos are different than rules: taboos are (usually unwritten)
standards of conduct that provoke a strong negative response; rules
(like laws) are (usually written) codes that require adherenece, with 
the provision for some sort of punishment, maybe even ostracization.
e.g. eating dogshit is not illegal, but american society (although i
can't vouch for places like south of market in san francisco, where
such behavior is a rite of passage) has a strong taboo against it;
making your child eat dogshit is just plain rule-braking--illegal
(child abuse). 

an example closer to home would be the michael johnson who turned 
laz3249lo in for having "fuck" in his signature.  his violation 
provoked a strong negative response...and still does.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
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From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: tires for sale
Date: 8 Sep 92 03:03:24 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Hello All!

A matched pair of Michelin tires for sale, new, 4 months in storage.


Front: TX11 120/70 ZR-17
Rear:  TX23 180/55 ZR-17

I'll take $200 for the pair. Netmail me.

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
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DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: How long for Dod number?
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:07:02 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: na
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


THIS IS NOT A FLAME!!!!!

It is merely a request for information.

How long does it take to get a DoD number once you've sent your
request off to the KotL?

Sent mine a week ago, but it was imbedded in a response to
another post, so it's possible that the KotL didn't bother to
read it since I'm sure KotL got lots of responses to that
particular post.

Should I e-mail KotL again, or is it usual for it to
take this long?

Repeat, this is not a flame.  I know the KotL is busy,
but I want to know if my request got lost in the shuffle.  

Thanks,
Brice

-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: scatlin@bnr.ca (Scot Catlin)
Subject: Re: Car driver with a Clue!
Keywords: Suburban, Laptop 
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 20:21:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep08.172200.7738@rchland.ibm.com>, essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) writes:
|> 
|> on a late night ride to green bay last summer, i passed a guy in an old
|> duster.  i'd say he was driving pretty well considering the portable tv
|> he had sitting on the dashboard in front of him.
|> 
|> axel

        Passed a guy in a Suburban yesterday who had a laptop sitting
on his dash and he was typing on it!  Smart enough to use a computer,
but...

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From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: glasses and helmets
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:18:39 GMT
Reply-To: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Sep11.150151.10145@linus.mitre.org> cgates@mitre.org (Curt Gates) writes:
>
>Now if someone would tell me how to spit while wearing a full face helmet. 

A couple rules of thumb:1) Lift your visor *before* spitting.
			2) Don't spit into the wind.

> One of the real joys of riding is to be able to clear your throat and 
>fire a shot over your shoulder.  

You got real class, Curt.

-- 
Ray Shea			"Them New Agers will buy anything if
UniSQL, Inc.			 you tell 'em it's from Bali."
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu		-- Eric the Bondo Fish Man
DoD #0372, '88 Hawk NT650, '74 Hubsh Loadstar
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland)
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Road Sign
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:52:55 GMT

In article <6475@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, ranck@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
|> I would have to say that my least favorite sign is one that says 
|> "Next Gas n Miles"  where 'n' is anything over 75.  I just don't
|> have the range. sigh.

Hwy 50 east out of Reno has a sign, 

"Next Services 187 Miles."

Interstates seem so friendly in some ways....

|> * Bill Ranck     DoD #496  ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu

---
Curt Howland        DoD#0663      '82 V45 Sabre
            howland@nsipo.nasa.gov 
  If any of these words are caught or killed,
NASA will disavow any knowlege of my existence.
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Maine Hiways answer
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 13 Sep 1992 06:16:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <9209111748.AA19534@swlrei>, csl%swl@swlrei.msd.ray.com ("Scott
Lilliott") wrote:
> 
> THere are signs here in MA (and probably in ME as well) posted at the entrance
> ramps to hiways which say something like: Pedestrians, horses, bicycles, and
> motorscooters are prohibited.  Somewhere I'm sure there is a definition
> making the distinction between motorcycle and motorscooter (displ.? ).

I'm pretty sure they mean the same thing Ohio does, when they say:
Prohibited: Pedestrians, horses, bicycles, farm machinery, and 
MOTORCYCLES LESS THAN 5BHP

>    #   Scott Lilliott - csl@swl.msd.ray.com                            #


| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834     | DoD #207  AMA
#573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci. dept.| KotNML  /  KotB     
|
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get | '81 CB750C          
|
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111              | '88 Bianchi Limited 
|
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: La Honda --> Alice's Run
Keywords: Alice's, La Honda, Hwy. 84
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:19:27 GMT

In article <Bu8u44.Fqo@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Robert M. Wert jr. (Bob Wert)) writes:
>Has *anyone* ever made the run from La Honda up to Alice's on Hwy 84
>without having to slow down for a cager?  I had a couple days off a week
>ago, and thought I'd make the run on a weekday when my chances would 
>be better, but over 2 days and 4 runs, I never did it.  I thought I had
>it made once, but just as I came into those last few beautiful turns 
>before Alice's, it was on the brakes, then putt-putt along...   :-(
>What's the secret?

Move to alaska.

It's just too crowded in the peninsula, as you (and everyone else) has
discovered.  If you can get in just a short section of fun twisties before
catching a cage, count youself lucky.

Things to try: 
going against the commute.  If everyone's going down, you go up.

find other roads.  I'd tell you about all the fun empty roads
	that I've found, but then I'd have to kill you. :-)


--
Eric Murray   ericm@microunity.com   Ride fast, die young, wear black leather.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: I didn't do it.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:10:30 GMT
Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com>
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

J. Eric Townsend (jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov) wrote:
: 
: I deny any involvement in nude motorcycling.

he's lying.

film at 11.

-- hesh
From: laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: La Honda --> Alice's Run
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:51:28 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: DFWM, Inc

In article <las76rINNkuu@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Pubs Project Lead]) writes:
>  But all that [squidly street riding] is behind me now..
 
stef, you should issue a CFD for rec.motorcycles.bench-racing.  it's
really where you belong now.
 
-- laurie
____________________________________________________________________
"Never underestimate the ability of a man to underestimate the abil-
ity of a woman."                                   --V.I. Warshawski

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us                                   DoD #0023
From: TJM@MATH.AMS.ORG (Tom Maloney)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BMW Wobbles
Date: 11 Sep 92 03:18:55 GMT

our dear friend barry@fsp2.gtri.gatech.edu (Barry B Burnette) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.223834.1179@msus1.msus.edu> pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Sep9.213434.29063@ctr.columbia.edu>, barry@fsp2.gtri.gatech.edu (Barry B Burnette) writes:
>>> In article <1992Sep5.145129.1136@msus1.msus.edu> stafford@msus1.msus.edu writes:

>>>> My BMW ('81 R100RS) wobbles in moderately hard turns....
        ^^^ original note
[etc]
>>> Also, an over-tightened, unevenly worn chain will cause the swing arm
                                           ^^^^^ barryb's followup
>>> to flex, thereby making the bike wobble.  Since yours is not doing
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[etc]
>>> Barry B.

>>I'm glad you got that possibility ruled out, aren't you, John?

>First of all jerk-off, he did not explain the wobble very clearly except that
>it does occur in turns.  Secondly, if the chain is causing -some- flex,
>it may not be noticeable at lower speeds; but it may cause loss
>of control if it resonates at a higher speed.  I experienced this on a GSXR
>750.  The bike wobbled slightly in hard turns; steady as a rock on the
>straights.  At about 130 mph, the bike began to wobble violently.  I was
>lucky to just hang on until it settled back down.  The chain was the cause.
>So you just go ride your bike with the same level of intelligence you
>portray in your witty little post... that is, if you even have a bike.

Barry, Barry, Barry - it's not good form to denigrate someone's
IQ when you are doling out advice about checking the chain on a
BMW. We're all happy that you were able to hang on at 130 and
live to tell us all about it. Switch to decaf, slow down to
smell the roses a bit, and take a deep breath before posting to
clear your thoughts, especially before getting involved in a
name-calling fight with pooder. Those IBM guys are good at that
(when their mailer's up, that is).

>Barry B.
>Ride fast, Ride hard, Stay young!

Good luck with the stay young part - should be easy if you
regularly approach terminal velocity on a poorly maintained
bike.

>(except for mental midgets, they should stay home)

Can't we all just get along ? (sob)

Tom Maloney/tjm@math.ams.org/American Math Society Providence, RI/401.455.4020
           DoD #614 / 1980 Kawasaki KZ440B / KoTDoD (Dumpy old Dual)

     "Brakes just slow you down and increase your lap times dramatically."
                                                      - Stefan Fielding-Isaacs
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: andre@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Anthony D. Andre)
Subject: Honda CB1100F For Sale
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:20:34 GMT

 FOR SALE
 1983 Honda CB1100F (red/white) with matching soft saddle bags.
 This bike was recently tuned and is in good condition.  Still
 fast and powerful.  Most miles on highway in Northern California

 Selling for $1750/best offer.  I live in Northern Califnornia--
  south of San Fancisco (Palo Alto, CA).

  
  Looking to buy a more "standard" motorcycle.  Something like a cb1000
  or V65 Magna with a fairing and some kind of permanant luggage.

  Tony 
  
  Send to  andre@eos.arc.nasa.gov
   
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: arguments for motorcycle parking
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:39:01 GMT

On 11 Sep 92 18:00:52 GMT, jcn@rice.edu (Jeff C. Nichols) said:

Jeff> I would like to hear any arguments for having separate motorcycle 
Jeff> parking, i.e. why is it/is it not dangerous for motorcycles to share 
Jeff> the same parking lots and spaces as cars?

Not dangerous but wasteful. Here at Dryden, we've got smaller spots
for motorcycles (either 12 bikes in what was formerly three car spots
or 5 bikes in what was formerly two car spots, for ratios of 4 to 1
and 2.5 to 1, respectively).  And they're close to the doors.  Dryden
apparently is encouraging moto riders.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeff@tct.com (Jeff Witzer)
Subject: Where, oh where...
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:17:35 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

I have a quest.

In the recent past I parted ways with a Red, White, & Blue 1990 Honda 
CBR1000F in spectacular condition.  She had 20,000 miles on her but was 
detailed twice a week and garaged at both home and work.  At the time I 
thought I was making the correct decision in selling her, and spent several 
months looking for a proper home.  She went to a racer from south Florida who
needed a street bike and who agreed to puchase her sight unseen (aside from 
the grainy photo in the Auto Trader) based on my description and asertion of 
the highest maintenance.  I got a very fair price and he promised the best of
care for her.

Now for the quest.  As usual, a while after I sell a motorcycle, the bug has
bitten again.  I have searched in my local area and have found nothing that
piques my interest.  I have always been a Honda fan (although I'm not 
strictly limited) but they offer nothing in the sport touring mode.  The
Pacific Coast is too anemic for my tastes, despite its novel ideas, and the
new CB900RR is not touring-oriented enough for my high mileage trips, exciting
as it may be.  I thought about the Kawasaki ZX-10 or ZX-11, but the fit and
finish were no match for Honda's construction techniques.  The 1990 CBR1000F
(red, white, & blue, of course) is the only choice I see.  I have always had
SEVERE reservations in purchasing used sport bikes (not everyone takes as good
care of them as I do) but there are no CBR's to be found in the local shops.

If any of you have any leads on NEW 1990 (or 1991 if they made them) R, W, & B
CBR1000Fs (or have any suggestions on other bikes like it) please let me know.

Thanks,

jeff

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1985 450 Nighthawk (Candy Apple Red) - HIGHLY reccommended 1st bike!
1986 VFR700II Intercepter (Limited Edition Pearl White) - saw "Daytona" fly by
1990 CBR1000F (Red, White, & Blue)
From: danac@morc.asd.sgi.com (Dana Crom)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I have my DOD number!!!
Summary: Richard Swift needs a shorter acronym
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:53:42 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Sep4.205506.24784@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil> dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.171521.23572@news.nd.edu> Richard.A.Swift.1@nd.edu (Richard A. Swift) writes:
>>In article <root.715560929@zen> Andy Chan, root@ESD.3Com.COM writes:
>>>egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>>>
>>>>In article 444@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil,
>>dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil 
>>>(Jim Small) writes:
>>>>>>>I love the ZX-10
>>>>>>>The ZX-10 is my friend
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I love cardboard-under-my-Harley
>>>>>>cardboard-under-my-Harley is my friend
>>>>>>-
>>>>>What is this, is EVERYONE stealing my sig now?
>>>>>-- 
>>>>>I love the 3b2
>>>>>The 3b2 is my friend.
>>>
>>>>I love the KotL
>>>>The KotL is my friend.
>>>
>>>I love Richard Swift
>>>Richard Swift is my friend.
>>>
>>>Cascade away..
>>
>>Hmmm.., it's got a nice ring to it. I truly am someone deserving of love.
>
>how about
>
>repeat 100 mail Richard.A.Swift.1@nd.edu </vmunix

Richard.A.Swift is too long, and "Big Dick" is still too complimentary. Based
on his postings, especially his tendency to respond without reflection, I
think he has earned the short, catchy, name PA, as in:

    Richard.A.Swift -> "A Swift Dick" -> "Premature Ejaculator" -> PA

All in the name of less bandwidth, of course.
-- 
-----------------------+------------------------+------------------------------
Dana Crom    DoD #0679 | Silicon Graphics, Inc. |  Smile - let them *WONDER* 
danac@morc.asd.sgi.com | (415) 390-1449         |  what you've been up to . . .
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow)
Subject: Re: DoD Merchandise
Organization: The Ohio State University
  I
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:55:37 GMT


>appearing everywhere - t-shirts, sweatshirts, keyfobs, buckles, lighters,
>underwear, condoms etc etc.....
            ^^^^^^^
            Note on this, please.  I'd probably cause them to break.

>
>Oh I've had very little interest in a Euro-DoD t-shirt (without Arnies face)..
.
>last chance before I ditch the idea...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: lawrence@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Lawrence H. Smith,E20 Clark,56064,2726746)
Subject: Re: counter steering
Originator: lawrence@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:06:00 GMT

From article <pegtns4@fido.asd.sgi.com>, by danac@morc.asd.sgi.com (Dana Crom):
> In article <Bu2Fst.Fr2@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (The Nashville Flash) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep04.160833.17701@gecko.uucp> ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell) writes:
>>>COUNTER STEERING RESEARCH:
>>>    A few days ago my wife asked me to check something on
>>>her funny trike, so I rode it to work. I noticed that it
>>>didn't respond well to countersteering, so I decided to
>>>do some research on all the vehicles we have and as many
>>>at work as possible. The results were:
>>>description                    countersteering works?
>>>========================================================
>> [excellent list of tests deleted]	YES
>>>'90 Peterbuilt  (18 wheeler)            NO
>>>'92 Marmon      (18 wheeler)            NO
>>>--------------------------------------------------------
>>>    Preliminary data indicates that the number of road
>>>wheels may have some effect on countersteering but, weight
>>>could be the controlling factor. This cannot be determined
>>>untill we find some 80,000 pound motorcycles to compare to
>>>the trucks.
>>
>>That will be the 1994 Honda LeadWing(tm).
> 
> No, it would obviously be the Spagthorpe Clifford (named after the BIG
> red dog of children's book fame)
> 
> On the other hand, I *have* heard that you now an 18-wheeler *license* to
> pilot a Hondabago . . .
> -- 
No, I've heard it that since they're built so much like bullet trains,
you need a railway engineer's license for the DepletedUraniumWing(tm)
-Lawrence Smith, MSC Computing Staff - E-20 Clark Hall(next to the donut room)
 lawrence@msc.cornell.edu lawrence@crnlmsc2.bitnet 5-6064 [(607)255-6064]
-Cats, Coffee, Chocolate... Vices to live by.
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: La Honda --> Alice's Run
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:11:03 PDT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <las76rINNkuu@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Pubs Project Lead]) writes:
>  But all that [squidly street riding] is behind me now..

so, you don't ride on the street, you've been kicked off the track, and
you don't ride dirt.  that makes for a lot of bullshit and zero action.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RE: Valentine 1 radar detector on a bike?
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:39:10 GMT


blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)writes:

-Has anyone tried the Valentine One radar detector on a cycle?

-I've been thinking of getting a radar detector for some time, and the
-Escort Solo looks good (small, effective, 9V battery), but it doesn't
-cover the Ka band: Stalker & photo radar. Stalker probably isn't much
-of a threat, but photo radar is in use around here, and its use is
-expected to increase.

Other stuff deleted.

Someone on one of the rec.auto groups said they called to order a
Valentine the other day and they were backlogged to Jan 93.  The Cage
and Doser article probably was responsible.

--Terry
From: mstoller@gdalsrv.sas.upenn.edu (Matthew E. Stoller)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Leather pants
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:34:50 GMT
Organization: Social Science Computing, University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep9.192425.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu> mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu writes:


>In all my years of riding I've never worn leather pants.  Just the
>thought of wearing them made me sweat.   But now with yet another
>fall approaching I'm beginning to wonder...would leather pants allow
>me to ride later into the cold season?  Are they much warmer than
>jeans?
I wear leather jeans all year round and while they are a bit warmer than I'd 
like during July and August, they aren't all that bad (you just have to go 
fast to get that breeze :-)  )

They are much better than jeans during the winter months as they cut down on 
the wind effect considerably.  I can ride down to about 25F with leather 
pants and long underwear, as well as a fleece pullover under my lined 
leather jacket (the electric gloves help).

I did ride to NYC from Philly (140 miles) on Dec. 31, 1990 when it was ~27F 
out.  I was wearing regular jeans and long underwear (as well as the other 
gear mentioned), and I froze my ass off.  About 100 miles into the trip, my 
legs started shaking and I had a lot of trouble getting them to stop.  I 
rode 350 miles from Roch. to Philly in April 1991 in 30F temps (and snow 
flurries) and was wearing my leather jeans.  My legs were a lot warmer (my 
electric gloves quit on me 20 miles into the trip, my hands were like 
icicles).

By the way, the leather jeans I wear are the JC whitney Steerhide pants.


> 
>-----------------------------------------------
>Jim Mulligan mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu

>1979 R65 ---->  1992 K75S
>There are no problems in Nature.
>- George Santayana

>Perfect Tommy: "But why do I have to give her my jacket?"
>Buckaroo Bonzai: "Because you're perfect."
>-----------------------------------------------

			Matt Stoller
			mstoller@gdalsrv.sas.upenn.edu
			DoD # -1
			'79 GS 750 L

p.s.  My hands are always the coldest part of my body on any winter rides, 
so I was thinking of putting some of those handguards from dirt bikes onto 
my handlebars.  Has anyone else tried this??