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From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: The Cyrix Issue...
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:49:31 GMT

177wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> 	I still stand by my original post (except I agree, it is a 1K
> cache, not 2K).  I have read over and over again that Cyrix's 486SLC is
> only called a 486 for marketting reasons and that it is still basically
> a 386sx (16bit bus, 24bit address, tec) with a few added instructions.

For what it's worth, a 486 is basically a faster 386 with a cache, a
built-in coprocessor and a few added instructions.  A 486SX?  It's a 
faster 386 with a few added instructions.

Hey, isn't that what the 486DLC is, too?  (The speed argument is left to 
the reader...)  In any case, the 486SLC and 486DLC do implement the entire
486 instruction set.  So there.

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft the next Standard Oil?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 15:39:06 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1993Jan5.225440.14879@tc.cornell.edu> bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) writes:
>If the successful candidate increased his/her employment probability
>by becoming more marketable, went for many interviews, wrote nice 
>resumes, convinced employers that he/she is valuable to them, would
>you say that he/she is forcing the other candidates into unemployment ?

No.

If, on the other hand, the successful candidate went out and slashed the tires
of the other candidates, making them miss their interviews, and got anonymous
stories printed in the local papers about how they were wife-beating child
molesters who couldn't program their way out of an infinite loop, would _you_
say that he is forcing the others into unemployment? I would.
-- 
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From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! : )
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:55:24 GMT

philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:

>    This is so patently false it's almost laughable.  Look at it this
>way:  Say 50% of your customers don't want DOS/Windows.  You
>sell 10,000 computers, 5,000 with DOS/Windows at $20 per copy, and
>5,000 with another operating system, also at $20 copy.  You're
>spending $200,000 on the system software.
>    Now, suppose that only 10% of your customers don't want DOS/Windows.
>You sell 9,000 machines with DOS/Windows at $10 per copy, and
>1,000 with another operating system at $20 copy.  You pay royalties
>on all of the machines for DOS/Windows.  You're now spending
>$110,000 on the system software, and you can offer a lower price
>to _all_ of your customers.

Except that what actually happens is that the people who want DOS/Windows
pay $10 an the people who want the other operating system pay $30.
They will offer the lowest possible price on their DOS/Windows version
because this is their main business. If they don't then someone else
will, and they will lose sales. Its easy to talk about the hardware
vendors having choices about how they bundle their system. But the reality
is that with the small profit margins on hardware they have to do whatever
they can to get the lowest possible cost.

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From: rommel@jonas.gold.sub.org (Kai Uwe Rommel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft and Force continued.
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:11:22 GMT
Organization: Private

In article <1993Jan9.004117.29420@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman) writes:
>|> 	In 1990, Nintendo America would often threaten not to let stores
>|> sell Nintendo or Nintendo made cartridges for their popular game machine
>|> if the seller stocked competing systems.  This is wrong.
>
>Ever try buying a Frosty at McDonalds? 

The game store is not owned by Nintendo and the computer sellers are
not owned by Microsoft. But then, even Mercedes Benz dealers sell used
BMW and VW cars and vice versa.

>In a polite, decent society people don't gang up with the goverment and steal
>what belongs to others.  Microsoft owns windows, and a polite, decent person,
>even though they might not agree with what Microsoft is doing, will respect
>Microsoft's right to sell what belongs to them.

Think before you write. MS is trying to force independent dealers NOT
to sell competing products. Microsoft does not sell Windows directly
to end users.

>Well, this is admittedly an extreme example, but I'll bet that there are
>as many men who want to sleep with Cindy Crawford as there are PC's running
>MS-DOS.  Can I set my self up as a "dealer" and use "customer demand" to
>justify pimping her?  After all, she is a monopoly supplier.

You got something wrong. Your example is reversed. Compare MS to if
C.C. was trying to force all men in the world to sleep ONLY with her. :-) :-) 
You would flame her for forcing competing women out of the market. :-)

Kai Uwe Rommel

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DOS ... is still a real mode only non-reentrant interrupt
handler, and always will be.                -Russell Williams
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From: cnadler@vnet.ibm.com (Cliff Nadler)
Subject: Re: Does IBM have an Internet email address?
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 16:10:41 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.15 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: cnadler@vnet.ibm.com (Cliff Nadler)
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In <C0Do0D.3Kn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> fippen@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (J. Fippen) writes:
>	I use os2 and love the program. If IBM had an email address, I'd
>tell them directly what I like, and don't like, about the program as I
>use it each day. Can anyone help me?

Append it here. These newsgroups are shadowed inside IBM, and most good ideas
are passed along to development (especially if we want them ourselves <g>).

If you don't want to post it, sent me a note with the details, and I will put
it out on an internal conference.

Cliff Nadler
IBM Federal Systems Company

Note: This post represents the views of the poster, not those of IBM or the
      IBM Federal Systems Company
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From: dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker)
Subject: Re: How many Nobel Prizes has IBM won?
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:53:50 GMT

ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) writes:
[....]
: Most people would say that Computer Science is not a science, but
: a craft.  [Read comp.org.eff.talk for more about this].  However,
: even if it is a science, it's only been around for about 60 years
: or so.  Too early to break with tradition I suppose.

60 years? What are you dating this from then?

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From: Ian_Upright@mindlink.bc.ca (Ian Upright)
Subject: Re: No TrueType Fonts in OS/2 2.1 ?!
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:56:58 GMT

> R Douglas Botimer writes:
>
> :I'm disturbed, however, that a recent posting stated that IBM has decided
> :not to support TrueType scalable fonts.  Does anyone out there know if
> :this is so?  Will IBM depend on Adobe for scalable-font capability?
> :If I run OS/2, will I still be able to use Word for Windows 2.0 and
> :some kind of scalable fonts?  Will I still be able to embed equations
> :and graphics into my documents?
>
> more deleted:
>
> Why wouldn't IBM depend on Adobe, along with many other companies?
> TrueType is
> is pure Microsoft.  It seem to me that IBM would rather pay royalties to
> Adobe
> than to Microsoft.  Looks to me like Microsoft developed TrueType to keep
> from
> paying royalties to Adobe and Apple.  October 27 PC Magazine has an
> informative
> bit on fonts.  Looks to me like ATM is better technology too.


Lets not spread true FUD here!  TrueType wasn't developed by Microsoft,
it was stolen BY Microsoft from Apple.  Apple invented TrueType.


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From: ojtv@phoenix.oulu.fi (Olli Vuolteenaho)
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft the next
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:02:27 GMT

rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) wrote, in 
: 
: Or do you mean the Canadian system--you know, 
: the same one that has it's patients coming down to the US
: to get CT scans, MRI's and bone scans done because Canada
: has insufficient hardware?

This  does't really relate to OS/2 but since you brought up the subject...

You should try the Canadian medical system - you'd be pleasantly surprised!
(I lived in Canada for two years and was amazed how good medical services
they have there. For an average person, I'm pretty sure they work better than
those in the US).

Olli
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From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: SGI-GL in Windows NT??
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:23:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.063446.28539@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Peter.Mayne@cao.mts.dec.com writes:
>
>In article <dlcogswe.726380388@vela>, dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
>>A guy I work with told me today the Microsoft has bought the rights to
>>include SGI-GL with Windows NT and will be including it in an upcoming
>>release!  This is quite an  advantage over OS/2 and brings NT to
>>workstation level, in my opinion.  If NT will have GL standard, I will
>>most likely be switching over from OS/2.
>
>This is correct. It will be included in NT version 2.
>
>>I'm pretty shocked. 
>
>Why?


	Good question.  I remember MS licensing it for Win31 back in June
	of '92, right after 3.1 was released.

	OTOH, nothing ever came of it.


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From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)
Subject: Re: How many Nobel Prizes has IBM won?
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:31:31 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO

In article <C0E5ME.A9F@newsflash.concordia.ca> patrice@cenparmi.concordia.ca (SCATTOLIN patrice) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.044937.15400@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald Jones) writes:
>>There is a news item in acs.clari.nb.ibm about the importance of
>>basic research to the future of America. It states that in the 
>>last 5 years IBM has won 2 Nobel Prizes. Does anyone know the
>>total.
>
>  TJ Watson had 5 Nobels in 88. By your count this ought to make 
>around 7 by now. Note that there are no nobels in Comp Sci.  

Most people would say that Computer Science is not a science, but
a craft.  [Read comp.org.eff.talk for more about this].  However,
even if it is a science, it's only been around for about 60 years
or so.  Too early to break with tradition I suppose.

Not that I think a Nobel prize for C Sc would be inappropriate.
I mean, so many *other* sciences depend on computer architecture and
good software design. . . .

Yah, that's a good word for CS.  A metascience....just like 
Mathematics.  :)

>>BTW, how many has Microsoft won ;-) (Just to put things into
>>their proper perspective!)
>>
>   They can't win a Nobel for software. Draw your own conclusions.

Yah, but someone could win one for Peace if they could figure out 
how to create an OS that satisfies OS/2, Windows, Unix, **AND**
Amiga bigots.  :)

cpk
> 
>>
>>-- 
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>>    < The Ohio State University   |    Office:      (614) 292-1665 >
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>
>
>-- 
>Patrice Scattolin
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Technology always seems to keep one step ahead of human wisdom.
From: mike.dickson@almac.co.uk (Mike Dickson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Mic
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:48:00 GMT
Reply-To: mike.dickson@almac.co.uk (Mike Dickson)
Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. +44 (0)324 665371

JM..If DR-DOS conforms to all published interfaces to MS-DOS, and a new version
JM..Windows breaks when used with that same DOS, and the previous version worked
JM..fine, and MS refuses to help fix the problem, then the conclusion that MS
JM..intentionally made Windows quit working on DR-DOS is very hard to escape.

Maybe, Jay. Even probably. OTOH, knowing DR's previous track record I
would tend to suspect their programming incompetence as well as
Microsoft's paranoia. However, to be fair to DR, I understand that it
wasn't actually anything to do with DR-DOS's compatibility. As far as OI
know, Win31 actively looked for DRDOS and then refused to run with it
loaded.

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From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! : )
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:29:44 GMT

In article <8297@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.004352.29449@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>>	The only clearly anti-competitive practices that MS has attempted
>>	to engage in was the DRDOS6/Win31 problem, which was a simple
>>	fix (MSwindows looked for DRDOS and wouldn't run with it.  There
>>	was no *compatibility* problem.)
>
>Tell that to Phil Lafornara. He's called it unfounded.


	Well, he's wrong.  The problem with DRDOS was that Windows
	checked for something at startup to determine if it was an 
	MS version of DOS (which includes the IBM version).  Windows
	itself would work just fine, regardless of this.  (I believe
	it was 1 identifier bit).


>>	This nonsense about the "all for all" contracts that bill 
>>	companies for all of machines sold are *possibly* anti-competitive,
>>	but VOLUME DISCOUNTS are not.  
>
>The problem is that clone makers' discounts for paying a royalty for MS-DOS
>and Windows for every machine they ship are in no way connected with the
>volume.


	And that contract is only one of many, and it's in the minority.


>>	Just so I know, all of you people who are out there blasting
>>	MS--what do you think of Intel's kickback that they give companies
>>	for advertising Intel Inside?  It effectively reduces the cost of the
>>	company's advertising enough that the price difference between
>>	Intel chips and AMD/Cyrix chips is little enough that companies
>>	just go with Intel. 
>
>Advertising coop money is a long-time, completely above-board practice. After
>all, Intel gets bennefit from that advertising, so why shouldn't they pay for
>that benefit? If the effect were what you claim, then nobody would be buying
>AMD or Cyrix, and that's patently false...


	Want to check that again?  Cyrix and AMD chips aren't selling
	all that wonderfully--they'd sure be doing better if it weren't for
	Intel's behavior.



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From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Some opinions on OS/2 2.1 Beta
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:03:41 GMT

Here is something about the new OS/2 2.1 Beta...

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BBS: IBM NSC BBS
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Just thought I'd let ya'll know that the Win3.1 in the new beta has True
Type fonts and it is possible to install Adobe and use it and True Type
fonts in both seamless and full-screen sessions.  Also, Win3.1 will run 
in enhanced mode.  I tried Norton Utilities System Information app (for
Windows) under 3.1 in a seamless, enhanced mode session and it correctly
reported processor speed (something it would not do under 3.0, or in the
GA+SP+3.1 beta setup).  Seems fairly stable so far also.

   Another interesting bit of news for ya'll to get excited over.  The 
2.1 beta include Trident 8900c drivers that are absolutely deluxe.  I'm 
running the desktop, Win3.1 support in full-screen and seamless all in 
640x480 256c with faster graphics than the generic VGA drivers give! 
This is indeed a better Windows than Windows.  The best I could get with
256c in real Windows with new Trident drivers was a slight reduction in 
video speed.  Things speed up in 256c under OS/2 2.1 and look great!

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From: thayne@unislc.uucp (Thayne Forbes)
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft the next Standard Oil?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: HomeVax
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:51:53 GMT

Tim Smith (tzs@stein.u.washington.edu) wrote:
: > If they started charging outragious prices for drilling equiptment then 
: > someone else would start making drilling equiptment and get a piece of the
: > action.  The only way that I can imagine that Standard Oil could possibly
: > have all of the drilling equiptment is for them to produce it cheaper than
: > anyone else could, in which case who cares, or for them to use guns, either
: > theirs or the goverments, to stop any competitors, in which case we've got
: > a problem.
: 
: Here's a third way for them to have all the drilling equipment: tell drilling
: equipment customers that unless they purchase Standard Oil drilling equipment,
: and do not purchase drilling equipment from others, they will no longer be

Hold on Tim, Microsoft is not stopping Anybody from buying other products.
I don't think anybody would even acuse them of that.  That is not predatory
trade practice.  That is good old fashioned restraint of trade.  

Perhaps we should back up a little bit, and see if anyone has a specific
example of the above before we get too outrageous.

-- 
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From: umcarls9@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Charles Carlson)
Subject: Re: ibm tcp/ip a ripoff?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:54:09 GMT

In <1iratf$aqq@agate.berkeley.edu> ucbked@athena (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes:

>a) expensive (150 pounds after educational discount);

It's recently dropped in price, now $125 U.S. BEFORE edu discounts.

>b) hard to get (took nearly a month after order was placed);

I walked into the campus bookstore:
"How much for IBM's TCP/IP for OS/2?"
"Whats that?"
"A TCP package for OS/2"  (duuuuh)
"Ah, oh, I don't think thats available yet"
"Its been out for over a year now"
"Well, it won't work on OS/2 2.0 then" (this was 4 months ago)
"Yes it does"
"Well, give me your number and I'll contact IBM and ask them"

I never heard back.

>c) few ethernet cards supported (compared to wattcp with clarkson
>packet drivers);

That's why I stick with WD/SMC stuff, its ALWAYS supported.  Perhaps you
should contact the manufacturer of the card for MAC and NDIS drivers for OS/2?

>d) common tcp/ip programmes not or badly implemented (rsh does
>not accept piped input or properly return stdout from the
>executed command; ftp does not implement piped input/output for
>get and put commands; etc).

hopefully RSN.

>f) screen redraws with remote logins through telnet are very
>spastic;

And just plain slow!

>g) dos programmes executed from an os2 window through a telnet
>login lockup the os2 machine;

A person telnetting into the OS/2 machine can run PM apps which come up on
the console screen, that should be fixed as well.

>h) overweight (too many disks, too much memory);

You could always delete what you don't want.  The size of it seems about
on par with the Unix TCPs I've worked with.

>i) hard to setup (xenix tcp/ip took me about three hours from
>openning the box to a reliable anonymous ftp service; wattcp took
>about an hour from loading to basic operation; with os2, i'm
>still at it weeks later).

It took me about as long to get going as it did to install it and read the
online docs.  I wasn't setting up for nameservers however.  Which caused
another problem in that even if the /etc/resolv.conf file exists, it still
"hangs" looking for a nameserver.

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