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From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: WiseGuy vs TP
Date: 12 Oct 1992 21:24:26 GMT
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In-reply-to: achapman@unixg.ubc.ca's message of 9 Oct 92 18:04:56 GMT

In article <1b4hk8INN74o@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> achapman@unixg.ubc.ca (Aaron Chapman) writes:

   Its interesting that you mention Peter Wolf from the J. Geils Band and that
   you make this connection. There could be more to it than you indeed suggest.

   I saw Peter Wolf on the David Letterman show a couple of years ago and he 
   mentioned that he used to be David Lynch's roomate in when they were going
   to school together.

Mamma mia!  So maybe Lynch did nick the black and white shoe routine
(and maybe more) from his old roomie.

Cool fact, by the way.  Thanks for the information.
--
-30-
Bob Ingria
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Japan release of FWWM
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:18:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1bf5vbINNp74@uwm.edu>, xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet) writes...
> 
>	After hearing all of this about Japan getting to see FWWM
>first, and then it being released on tape there in the next couple of
>months of have to wonder why they get it before us?  I am not in any
>way being racist or anything, just wondering why a film produced in
>the US, at least I think it was, would be released some where else
>first?  Any ideas?  Also, wouldn't it take longer as they have to
>subtitle it too?  I don't understand it at all...

     It's simple: the Japanese have better TASTE than we do.
     They like Twin Peaks - as a country - a whole lot more
     than we do.  FWWM made a killing over there, breaking
     even just in Japan alone.

     That's why they get it first.

     (FWWM wasn't an American production, by the way, it
      was produced by Francois Boygeous - spelling corrections
      welcome - who runs the French production company with
      which Lynch has a five-picture deal).

                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.            
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:52:20 GMT
Subject: Oops
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
From: mj1078@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp (mmanuel pece)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: ON THE AIR in Japanes Video (was: TP Laserdisc Japanese )
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:30:10 GMT
	<MJ1078.92Oct7111036@sol.taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp>
Organization: Kyushu Institute of Tech., Iizuka, JAPAN.
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In-reply-to: mj1078@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp's message of 07 Oct 92 02:10:36 GMT


In article <MJ1078.92Oct7111036@sol.taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp> I wrote:

>>   "On the air" won't be released this month. 

But i have to correct it. "ON THE AIR VOL.1" will be released in Japan this
month (Oct 23). It is a 75 minutes tape, so i assume it will contain the
first 3 episodes.
And if they say vol. 1 we can expect that there will be a vol. 2, isn't it?

And for the LD of the TV series, i was told in August that it will be 
re-released in Oct., but there is no ad nor nothing on the LD magazines.
Anyway, i will ask the next time i go to the city (maybe this Saturday).


   Manuel@Japan   <pece@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp>
   "Life is full of misteries, Donna" -- Laura Palmer


--
pece@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp
From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: TP theme
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:44:16 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

Is there any FTP site which has the *entire* TP theme sampled?  (I have a couple
hundred megs spare on our IRIX Indigo :)  Thanks...

-Eyvind

-- 
     //|                             | DISCLAIMER: I don't HAVE opinions.
    // |                             | I just repeat what everyone else says!
\\ //--|miga: There can be only one. |
 \X/   |         eyvind@lise.unit.no |
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: novick@spot.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Novick)
Subject: FAQ's???
Summary: I have only been reading ...twin-peaks for a short
Keywords: formica
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:21:35 GMT


Wondering about - green formica
                - chalfont/tremond
                -"I am the Great Went"
                -"I am the Muffin"
                -creamed corn
                -gum coming back in style
                -Mike/arm/midget...
                -What did Mike say in FWWM to Leland from his truck?
                -Annie's "speech" about the 'good Dale' in the lodge
                -cut scenes from the movie...

sorry if these are repeat questions - have not been "tuned-in" for
very long.

has anyone seen Twin-Beaks on Seseme-Street? It is sheerly amazing -
I have it on tape if anyone wants a copy...
bye for now.
 
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: derrigfj@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Frank J. Derrigo)
Subject: HELP!! second season on video
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:33:36 GMT

An avid TP fan, I have yet to see a good portion of the second
season!  Is there any kind, sympathetic soul out there who
may be willing to help me out on this one?  Of course compensation
will be made for the time, tape, and postage.  Please either
post a response or email me at:

    derrigfj@craft.camp.clarkson.edu

We'll talk terms.  

Thank you in advance!
				Frank Derrigo
   
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Re: South America: Agent Jeffries + J. Justice Wheeler (was re P Jeffries)
Summary: Audrey's age
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: alt.tv.twin peaks
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:53:31 GMT

>
>     Am I rmembering wrong, or did original plotting call for Coop
>     to fall in love with Audrey while nursing her back to health
>     after her captivity at One Eyed Jack's?  
>
>     Coop sees a parallel to Caroline in this situation, except
>     he was able to SAVE Audrey.  He won't let her go, he doesn't
>     care how old she is.  
>     Windom Earle also sees this as a parallel to Caroline, and
>     makes plans to render Coop's new love as dead as his old
>     (Remembering that Caroline was Earle's wife when she and 
>     Coop fell in love).  
>     Around the time John Justice Wheeler and Audrey went at
>     it in the plane - with Pete and the trout standing guard -
>     COOP and Audrey would have consummated their relationship.
>     Shortly thereafter, Earle kidnaps Audrey to use as his gift of
>     Fear and Suffering (not yet Garmonbozia, if we are to believe
>     Earle's connection to this) at Glastonbury.
>
>     Neither Annie Blackburn nor John Justice Wheeler would have
>     been introduced if one Kyle MacLachlan hadn't refused to
>     play love scenes with Sherilyn Fenn - not because of anything
>     personal but because Fenn's character was a minor.

 Was her character a minor? At one point she told Cooper she was 18 when he
 asked her how old she was. Thats another point, notice how many highschool
 students were getting into bars such as the "Roadhouse"?

  I would have liked to see Cooper and Audrey get together but like he said
  in one episode, he didn't want to risk someone he loved again. He was working
  on a case and Audrey was connected to the case so no go.


>
-=*George*=-


Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: k22164@kyyppari.hkkk.fi (Mikko Reinikainen)
Subject: FWWM to Finland?
Date:  9 Oct 92 23:37:08 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Helsinki School of Economics, Finland


Does anyone know whether FWWM is going to be showed in Finnish
cinemas? And if it is, do you know when?

	Thanks in advance.


	Mikko

--
Mikko Reinikainen
k22164@kyyppari.hkkk.fi
Helsinki School Of Economics and Business Administration
Helsinki University/Faculty Of Law
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: daw5g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Vertigo)
Subject: Re: I smell a dead fish
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:36:32 GMT

   Well, $45 for an autographed card is ridiculous.  The
original gimick was real, though.  There was an autographed
Jack Nance card in my set.  This was an extra card, the
unsigned Jack Nance was also in the set.  Never did call that
number to "register" it, though.

--
From: kwest@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Kenneth C West)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Maresy Doats and Prosey Thoughts....
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:44:23 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	Hey, Peakers. I have a thought: anyone want to write some Twin
Peaks-based stories? I'd like to, but I have no concepts yet. Anyone else?
I think it'd be fun. They wouldn't have to be specific to the show or movie,
as long as they take place in the TP universe. In other words, they don't have
to involve Lynch's characters, as long as they are set in the world of TP.
Or, if you have definite theories on what's going on in TP and FWWM, you
could write your own sequel. Or, hey   -write tales of woe from years before 
Laura kicked it, or years after.
	Anyone interested, please post or E-mail.


							-Jeff (not Ken, but
							       his roommate)
\
From: brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:04:33 GMT
Subject: Re: don't chastise be but.....
Organization: HP Mfg. Test Div., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks

Pam (sorry, forgot the last name, and my editor doesn't automatically
include the header) writes:

>Oh..YES...YES...OH...OH...YES...   Well, needless to say, I loved it!!!

Are you sure you weren't watching _When Harry Met Sally_?   :)
And where can we meet?

> Getting to the whole point of this posting...I'm confused on a
> couple of things about the movie.  What is the deal with David Bowie's
> character? and What's the deal with Cooper's image remaining on the
> security screen?

Join the confused crowd.  David Bowie plays time-travelling FBI agent
Phillip Jefferies.  We think he has managed to observe Mike and BOB
in their meetings above the convenience store.  He is sort of phase-
shifted in time, appearing briefly to warn Gordon whatever he can.

Coop explained to Gordon that he had had a dream about the morning that
it happened, so he kept going into the control room to see if the
"frozen time" effect had happened.

Hey, I know it's a crummy explanation, but it's all I can muster.
Welcome to the net

Brian
.sig on file with NSA

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From: markw@meaddata.com (Mark Wasson)
Subject: Pamela Gidley/Teresa Banks
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:31:54 GMT

In preparation for a Twin Peaks View-a-thon I'm having at the end of
the month, I have been preparing a video of snippets of TP and TPFWWM
actors in other TV roles and appearances.  It includes Lynch's last
interview with Jay Leno, Julee Cruise's appearance with the B-52s on
Arsenio and others.

Last week, I tuned into a new CBS show called Angel Street, starring
Pamela Gidley and Robin Givens, since Gidley portrayed Teresa Banks in
FWWM.  I got a good laugh at the episode name... Blonde in the Pond.

By the way, CBS cancelled Angel Street a couple days ago.

Mark
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: questions about Mrs Tremond
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:36:00 GMT
Distribution: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <SBILES.92Oct11171425@dante.nmsu.edu>, sbiles@nmsu.edu (Susannah E Biles) writes...

>I have a few questions concerning Mrs. Tremond and her grandson.
>Okay...they have been seen at the convenience store. They have been
>seen by Laura (in FWWM), by Donna (In the series), and the grandson
>was seen by Leland (In FWWM). So...are they entities like BOB and 
>MIKE, or are they "real" people who just have access to the lodges?

     My idea is that Mrs Tremond (the old woman) is the host.
     Her "grandson" is the same as BOB, MIKE and The Giant - an
     inhabbiting spirit.  This is reconciled with Donna bringing
     Cooper back to Harold's development only to discover a fat
     middle-aged woman called Mrs Tremond instead of the one who
     requested no creamed corn by the mention in FWWM that 
     four Chalfonts in a row rented the same spot in the trailer
     park.

 The
>"people" that Leland and Donna see...are they real? Or are they
>"seeing things" like when people "see" BOB? IF they are entites..are
>they just showing their 'real' selves? Or is there some old woman and
>her grandson whose bodies are being used for a purpose? And if
>so...where are the real occupants of the bodies? 
>Why I am asking is because when we see BOB, he is either in a vision
>or seen 'in' Leland...not a "real" body like the Tremonds seem to
>have. Do you all know what I mean? Just wondering ...any ideas anyone?

     Leland/BOB, Gerard/MIKE (LMFAP), Senor Droolcup/The Giant and
     Mrs Tremond/Her "Grandson" are designed in stages, each giving
     us more knowledge than the last about how possession is
     accomplished, why its accomplished, and how the pair live
     together.

     Leland/BOB was the first pair, and tension in the mystery 
     revolved mainly around masking the process - so it was
     masked.  
     Senor Droolcup/The Giant were meant to give us more 
     information - showing that they were "one in the same"
     by always having the one's appearances foreshadowed
     by the other (Senor).
     In FWWM, Mrs Tremond/Her "Grandson" are there to show
     Laura that there is "a man behind the mask."  

     An interesting aside about Mrs Tremond: Laura thinks her
     secret diary will be safe with Harold Smith because BOB
     doesn't know anything about him...  but look at who his
     next door neighbors were.  (More fuel for the theory that
     these beings have a basically benign goal and that BOB is
     the equivalent of a drug addict doing anything to get his
     next hit).



                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Lynch's address anyone?
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:09:32 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Oct15.110607.8166@ac.dal.ca>, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
> In article <cicero.1mwj@hotcity.COM>, cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero) writes:
>> In article <1bc9ouINNb88@uwm.edu>, xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet)
>> writes:
>>>
>>>HI,
>>>       Just wondering if anyone has Lynch's address handy.  I would
>>>like to mail him a letter of thanks.  His business address would be
>>>fine.
>>>Thanks,
>>>-- 
>>>
>>>               -Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
>> David K. Lynch's business address (according to the 1990 DGA Directory) is:
>> 
>> c/o Creative Artists Agency
>> 9830 Wilshire Bvld.
>> Beverly Hills, CA  90212
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^      ^^^^^
> 
> Who here would have trwonup had this been 90210?


Sorry... I have hayfever and my typing is suffering as a result.
That should have been "Thrown up"

Mike
From: justice@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: JAPAN CD/LASER DISCS
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:45:47 GMT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

I went out and ordered the Peaks Mania CD, and was so happy when it came 
in, but the tracks are available in the US!

The 5 tracks different from the regular US CD are as follows: 

* = Track not on US version.

1. Twin Peaks Theme
2. Rockin Back Inside My Heart (Tibetian 12" Mix) *
3. "                         " (Bonus Beat) *
4. "                         " (A Capella) *
5. "                         " (Tibetian Dub) *
6. The World Spins *
7. Into the Night
w<n[$vmo0k;{<&U_e
xy6M
8. Falling
9. Laura Palmers Theme

Definately not worth the $40 I spent for it, but a nice compilation in 
its own right.

The Japan TP Picture laser disc is a great find. It has the TP Soundtrack 
with scenery from TP. Worth it's weight in gold. Hard to find, but worth 
the look.

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From: mking@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Alexander King)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: David Lynch's comment
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:00:43 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu


I totally agree with the fact that twin peaks should just be considered as an
artistic work and not to be picked apart, but i also think that David Lynch 
needs a break from it and should come out with another TP movie perhaps is the
years to come, just to keep the us interested and all.
I enjoy just rewatching the past episodes but that is just me so, i dont mean
to offend anyone, it is always interesting to see others opinions, that is 
what art is all about - making one think.  so basically i just contradict 
myself, Lynch- look what you do to me!
						matt
From: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Japan release of FWWM
Date: 13 Oct 1992 18:53:31 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


HI,
	After hearing all of this about Japan getting to see FWWM
first, and then it being released on tape there in the next couple of
months of have to wonder why they get it before us?  I am not in any
way being racist or anything, just wondering why a film produced in
the US, at least I think it was, would be released some where else
first?  Any ideas?  Also, wouldn't it take longer as they have to
subtitle it too?  I don't understand it at all...
-- 

		-Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD)
Subject: "You Killed Mike!"
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:34:53 GMT

 Aha! In FWWM, just after Bobby blows that dealer away, Laura keeps saying 
"You killed Mike..."  Could this mean that she thinks this world's Mike is 
dead, so she completely gives up hope. This is regarding the stuff someone 
else was writing about concerning the Mike and Bobby in Twin Peaks somehow
parallel the Mike and BOB in the lodge. I know this is not the generally 
accepted theory, but I can't think of any other reason Laura would say that, 
unless it was just because she was completely stoned. Mike the one-armed man 
represented the good side of the Mike/BOB situation, and after this act of 
evil, she could have given up hope completely, leading to her putting on the 
ring in the train car. 
 If Bobby "killed Mike" then that would leave BOB to wreak havoc however he 
wanted. God, I'm getting desparate...
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Clarification: Blue Rose and THE GLASS MENAGERIE coincidence
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


   Jill Rosencranz pointed this clarification out to me in email:

   Jim, the Gentleman Caller in the play, used to call LAURA
   "Blue Roses" in high school because she told him she'd had
   pleurosis and he thought she'd said Blue Roses.  

   (I'd forgotten Laura was her name and called her Amanda, who
    is Laura's mother in the play).

   I'm not calling this anything more than a coincidence... but
   Laura (not Palmer) was hopelessly in love with Jim during
   high school (the play takes place 6 years later), and she
   regarded the "Blue Roses" nickname (or code-name, as in FWWM)
   as her connection to love.  Her only connection.  

   In FWWM, a Blue Rose is code for a connection to the "weird
   happenings" in the Twin Peaks area.

   Again, nothing more than a coincidence, and I wouldn't draw
   any more elaborate a parallel between the play and FWWM...
   but isn't it interesting just HOW MANY of these coincidences
   are out there? 

                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.
From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Japan release of FWWM
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:58:57 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <MJ1078.92Oct14112338@sol.taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp> mj1078@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp (mmanuel pece) writes:
<
<
<This time is not WOW(bob)WOW but the non-pay channel TBS Terebi. 
<It started last month.
<They do it every saturday nigth. 
<Next saturday (oct 16th) it will be episode 4th (or third). 
<I am not watching it, so I don't know if it is in bilingual mode.

	Same thing in San Diego on cable.  Curiously, the first episode
I was able to track down in TV Guide is 60 minutes long (instead of 120).

	Jan Bielawski
	Computervision, San Diego
	jpb@calmasd.prime.com
From: moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: TP SONGS
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 02:07:07 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Mobys "GO" sounds very familiar. Also, The Mob, and The One Eyed Jacks 
did mixes of TP songs. One not worth getting is the cover of Falling by 
the Wedding Present on Hit Parade I. It REALLY sucks. I could do better 
than that. Also, since no one sent me any addresses of existing TP fan 
clubs, I'm putting a fanzine of my own together. Anyone want to help, 
feel free to write me. The only thing I'm stuck on is the title? How 
about it? Any titles?
-Justice
P.S. Bootleg ARE out. It's just a matter of time before I get one. A 
friend of mine in NY said that theres 22 extra minutes. Hmmm.

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: Ken.Saintjohn@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ken Saintjohn)
Subject: I smell a dead fish
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:34:06 GMT

 Anyone around here received a letter from "StarPics Inc." recently?
If so what do ya think about what they are up to?  (In case anyone is
unaware "StarPics" are the people who publish the 76 card "Twin Peaks"
CarArt set, you know like baseball cards).  It seems that "StarPics"
is now offering for a price autographed Twin Peaks cast member cards
and they 'aint cheap...
 
           Sheryl Lee       (as Laura Palmer)     $60.00
           Sheryl Lee       (as M. Ferguson)      $45.00
           Kyle MacLachian  (as Agent Cooper)     $60.00
           Michael Ontkean  (as Sheriff Truman)   $45.00
           etc...
           etc...
 
 When I originally purchased the card set from StarPics they said
there were randomly placed autographed cast members cards in some of
the sets and some "lucky people" would find them, anyone know any of
these "lucky people" who found one of these autographed cards in there
set?  I sure don't!  And now they show up for sale from StarPics at
these prices?
 
  Excuse me but I think I smell one of Pete's trouts in the coffee pot
if ya know what I mean :-)
 

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