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From: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cable is Nathan Summers?
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:44:53 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Cable as Douglock???  I thought they handled the whole Doug Ramsey/Warlock 
clone situation in X-Force Annual #1....

Besides, if he were, I think they would have shown him shape-shifting.  Plus,
neither Doug Ramsey or Warlock had telekinetic powers.

__NOVA__
_______________________________________________________________________________

"We ask the stars `Why?'
 We question our lot...
 The heavens open wide
 And reply, `Why not?'"
	--Henry "Beast" McCoy
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Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:15:38 -0400 
From: "Michael J. Keating" <mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: X-Men 200

I would have to agree that that particular issue was not only one with a
great cover, but with a great overall effort by the writers and artists.
 The issue highlighted three of my favorite characters(Prof X, Magneto,
Rachel), and marked the beginning of the end for the glory days of the
X-Men.  I was really disappointed with the way the follow-up was handled
in the X-Men vs. Avengers limited series.  That was fluff!  It should
have been handled in the pages of the regular series!
Anyone remember the cover and content of issue 193?  That issue made me
start collecting again!  Remember the cover - hellions and
Thunderbird(Warpath) against the X-Men!  That issue had great scenes
highlighting Kitty, Banshee, Rachel and Empath, and was a good issue for
Romita as well.  Ah -- the good old days.
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Mimic ...
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:00:08 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep10.171427.19056@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>In <1992Sep10.141926.16384@cc.gatech.edu> vernard@solaria.gatech.edu (Vernard C. Martin) writes:
>
>>Hm. I don't have those issues featuring Calvin Rankin. If he wasn't a mutant
>>then how did he get his powers and what exactly were his powers. I always
>>thought that he was a mutant with the ability to copy (i.e. mimic) other
>>mutants powers in the immediate vicinity. I also thought that he was dead.
>>If someone can firmly clear this up, I would greatly appreciate it.
>
>He showed up a while back in Marvel Comics Presents.
>He had narrowly escaped death (surprise, surprise) and was hiding
>in a cave, avoiding all human contact.
>It seems that he couldn't control his absorbing powers and was
>losing touch with his own personality.

  He escaped death by absorbing the healing factor of a mutant who
happened to be in the general area (of Canada *hint,hint*) at the
time.  Hmmm... who COULD it be?

>Ps. I wonder what would happen if Rogue absorbed his powers. Or vice versa.
>Or both.

  I'm not sure.  I think the Super-Adaptoid tried this on Mimic once, and
it caused some kind of feedback in SA.  However, since SA was a robot
(or android or whatever it was he/it was), the absorbtion of natural
powers by natural powers may be different.

My guess:  If Mimic absorbed Rogue, he would gain her ability to absorb
people's memories and psyches through touch (and be unable to shut it
off).  If Rogue absorbed Mimic, she would gain his "absorbing field"
(or whatever you want to call it), and absorb the powers of people
around her (but not their memories, which would still require touch),
as well as absorbing whatever powers Mimic currently was mimicing.
Of course, this is just a guess, so I could be wrong.
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Most violent mutant
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:39:20 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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WHITAKER JASON (whijv2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au) wrote:

: Who is the most violent mutant?

Rob Liefield.


Scott
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Subject: Re: X-Prices update :-)
From: cbjuland@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:06:23 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <67267@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
> They had New Mutants 87 for (get this) $75.
> 
> Now, i'm not a total knee-jerk Liefield hater, or at least i wasn't when
> he first started the mutants, but if _anyone_ pays $75 for a book that
> came out, what, a year and a half ago, and had a print run of that size,
> they should be shot!  Gimme a break :-)
> 
> JRjr
> 

Well this isn't exactly about the xbooks, but it has to do with pricing.
I was in Lawrence, KS visiting on of the KU comic shops.  They had the
Spiderman #1 ,Red and Black editions by McFarlane, for $125 and $150.
I live in Kansas City, MO and a few days later went to the comic shop there. 
They had the red (normal) edition of Spiderman #1 for $15.00.  To bad the
Lawrence shop won't buy any issues from me, I could make a killing...

But needless to say the KC shops have the NM 87 for about $75-80 also.
Its a ripoff where ever you go.

=======================
Chris Bjuland
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cbjuland@umkcvax1
cbjuland@vax1.umkc.edu
From: c60b-3fe@e260-4d.berkeley.edu (Mikel Bancroft)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Who was the Traitor?
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:47:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: e260-4d.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep15.164439.2414@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>sbourgeo@pinocchio.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen Bourgeois) writes:
>
>>What about the fact that Bishop never heard of himself mentioned in the past
>>while he was being taught XSE doctrine?
>
>Maybe he's from an *alternate* future.

Exactly.  If he was from an alternate future, then he cannot affect his past
because he is in an alternate timeline.  For him to affect his own time,
Bishop would have to end up in HIS past.  NOT a past that doesn't lead to his
"future".  I used the reasoning of Bishop never hearing of himself as reasons
for him not being the traitor in an earlier thread about this same thing.

Mikel B.
"Its not the mileage, its the make." - Cain
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From: lombardif@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Spider-Man is joining the X-Men!!
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:11:54 GMT

Yes, it's true!!! Spider-Man will soon be joining all the
X-Groups as it is revealed that he IS, in fact, a Mutant.
His power? The ability to gain superhuman strength, speed, agility,
as well as a danger sense when bitten by a radioactive spider
instead of merely dying.

( insert a few thousand smileys in here for those of you who
didn't get it. )

-The Viking
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From: merricb@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (The ELF)
Subject: Re: Cable
Keywords: Cable
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:43:56 GMT

debg@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ginsberg deborah) writes:


>Did I imagine this, or did Cable's computer refer to him as "Nathan" in an
>early issue of X-Force?  If so, this would be a pretty good indication
>of his true identity.
Domino also calls Cable "Nathan"... It is pretty obvious who he is if
you've read old issues of X-Factor (which I haven't... I've friends who
tell me about them).

>Also, I thought I read something on this list about new X-creative teams.
>Anything to this?

>Debbie

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From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cable
Keywords: Cable
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:54:16 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

debg@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ginsberg deborah) writes:


>Did I imagine this, or did Cable's computer refer to him as "Nathan" in an
>early issue of X-Force?  If so, this would be a pretty good indication
>of his true identity.


Yes, I think it did, but this, in all likelihood, is a red herring. I would
prefer if EVERYONE in the universe didn't have to be related to the X-Men.
I like Cable as being someone from the future who's come back to set things
on a better path. After all, the current generation has no idea what 
effects they have had on the future. (Could the softness of Xavier's teachings
have led to the X-Men's defeat at the hands of the traitor? Stay tuned..)

Axly
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The new X-Force and U.X-Men
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:29:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <ZEESHAN.92Sep9232302@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.024824.20421@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>
>>   What exactly is Illyana's power?  I thought it specifically involved
>>   teleporting by passing through Limbo, so that part COULDN'T be cut out.
>>
>>   Hey, wait a minute!  In Uncanny X-Men #161 (I think, the issue where
>>   Illyana "skips" seven years), the X-Men got into Limbo by getting
>>   snagged by some of these "stepping disks."  How were they activated?
>>   Did Belasco cause Illyana's power to prematurely and subconsciously
>>   activate?  Does Illyana actually have her powers currently?  Were
>>   they just similar disks, and not actually Illyana's?  Inquiring minds
>>   want to know!!!!!!
>
>	Well, the stepping disks that were appearing all over the
>place in that issue should have been Belasco's, as Illyana wasn't
>"old" enough to manifest any mutant abilities until the end of the
>issue.  I suppose that her sorcerous training may have subsequently
>influenced the mechanism of her own teleport disks, as well as bound
>her to Limbo somehow....
>	Better yet, chalk this one up to a continuity mistake on the
>part of the writers... 

  Yes, she wasn't old enough at first.  Of course, Franklin Richards
isn't old enough yet, either (well, he made himself old enough in one
issue of FF, but that's a totally different story altogether), and
he's manifested his powers.  So has Nathan Summers (the REAL one, who
manifested powers different from Cable  --  Nathan Summers is NOT
Cable!  I disbelieve it!).  Some mutants can use their powers sooner
than others, and some later (i.e. Magneto).  It's possible that
Illyana was experiencing the first manifestations of her power in 
that issue, and she should actually have her powers now (not that
Louise "let's ruin everything about the New Mutants as quick as we
possibly can" Simonson would have thought of this, but then I'm still
convinced that she can't write her way out of a wet paper bag.

  Or maybe it really was a continuity mistake.  Wouldn't be the first
time, and definitely won't be the last.
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Spider-Man is joining the X-Men!!
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:33:50 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <BuBxEr.G61@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes:

>>The only non-mutant to be an X-Man was Mimic.

>I always thought Mimic was a mutant.  And what about Longshot?  He's an alien,
>not a mutant.

I read that longshot was an alien mutant (?!)
and so was warlock.
				Jamesa Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rachel
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:46:31 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

>>While we're on the subject of Rachel...  Remember the storylines in
>>Uncanny that involved a battle between Rachel and Wolverine over Selene?
>> This storyline was never resolved!  For once, I wish the writers would
> How do you figure it wasn't resolved?  Wolverine popped his claws thru 
> Rachel's heart.  She used her TK to keep it beating while the X-Men battled
> Nimrod.  She then got captured by Spiral, mind f**k by Mojo and joined 
> Excalibur.  Since she was missing her memory for a while, she prob. didn't
> remember Selene and Selene prob. didn't care enough to hunt Rachel down. 
	And I think the thread was finished by Phoenix when she showed up
on Selene's doorstep with the enhancement of the Phoenix force!  I mean I 
doubt Selene is willing to stick around and rehash something that almost 
completely clobbered her!  I wouldn't be overly anxious to attempt to suck
the psyche out of a celestial Avatar!  Know what I mean!?
						wReam...
P.S.  Still hoping Rachel is OK.  Is it true there will be a story with
her and Galactus coming up in Excalibur soon, or what???

Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat,  5 Sep 1992 17:41:07 -0400 
From: "Michael J. Keating" <mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: New X-Force and U.X-Men issues

About the new x-force...
I was relieved to see that they finally resolved the annoying Roberto
plotline.  The continual quick references to him reminded me of old
movie clips picturing a girl tied to the railroad tracks...
However, the writers have once again commited a no-brainer.  I am tired
of seeing superteams or individuals settle in absolutely abandoned areas
without any means of financial support.  Yes, I know that this is just a
story, but let's make the story a little better by adding some realism,
shall we?
I agree with some of you in that Feral should be done away with.  We
were introduced to her some time ago, and little has been done with her
save the token fight scenes.  Boooorrrrring!

About the new U-X
Did you feel it?  The writers were beginning to tap into some of the old
style.  A more realistic exploration of the relationships between
characters was back, such as the telepathic fight between Scott and
Jean.  Also, it was good to see Storm and Gambit communicate.  The art
was a step up from past issues, but I do have a small problem with the
way the artists dressed Rogue (seriously, people...  where is she
supposed to get clothes like that for everyday wear?  Please...)  The
plot:  if you are going to protect Xavier, why keep only four team
members (five if you count Lila) around, and send the rest(including
three of the founders..) shopping?  C'mon, people!  A little rational
thought, please.  I was shocked to see Xavier killed  (I think).  I hope
they don't fool around with this death the way they have a history to do
with the others.  Dead is dead, and there's no Morlock healer this time.
 It was a good way to start a crossover.  The X-Factor scene was great! 
I am actually looking forward to the next issue for the first time in
months.  Here's hoping that the writers can use the crossover to redeem
themselves and jumpstart all of the titles (except for X-Men, which
still has some pizazz.)
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From: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan)
Subject: Re: The new X-Force and U.X-Men
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:23:02 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
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In article <1992Sep10.024824.20421@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:

>   What exactly is Illyana's power?  I thought it specifically involved
>   teleporting by passing through Limbo, so that part COULDN'T be cut out.
>
>   Hey, wait a minute!  In Uncanny X-Men #161 (I think, the issue where
>   Illyana "skips" seven years), the X-Men got into Limbo by getting
>   snagged by some of these "stepping disks."  How were they activated?
>   Did Belasco cause Illyana's power to prematurely and subconsciously
>   activate?  Does Illyana actually have her powers currently?  Were
>   they just similar disks, and not actually Illyana's?  Inquiring minds
>   want to know!!!!!!

	Well, the stepping disks that were appearing all over the
place in that issue should have been Belasco's, as Illyana wasn't
"old" enough to manifest any mutant abilities until the end of the
issue.  I suppose that her sorcerous training may have subsequently
influenced the mechanism of her own teleport disks, as well as bound
her to Limbo somehow....
	Better yet, chalk this one up to a continuity mistake on the
part of the writers... 

farewell,
Zeeshan
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Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 11:11:01 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Scott Lobdell is still a moron...X-Men 294 spoilers

OK...I'm going to write this as I'm reading X-Men #294.
Page 3, panel 2: Security parameter?  Ex-squeeze me?  Thats perimeter, you
    moron!
Page 6, panel 5: Hmmm...here's this Betsy thread again...and Jean knows all
    about it!  Uh oh...
Page 9 Proof that Scott Lobdell can handle continuity!  He remembered stuff
    from last issue!
Page 10, Hmmm...writing Gambit as a pushy guy?  Very non-90s.

Hmmm...the retrun of the Four Horsemen?  Ominous

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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Claremont
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:22:17 GMT

>
>1. Where is that post someone promised about Claremont's future plans for the 
>X-Men???? (mail it to me if you don't want to post it) 

I will be posting it by or on Monday.  I am a student and have to maintain
an illusion of doing actual work. :-)
>
>2. Does anyone know about the rumor that Claremont is going to do a book for
>Image?  Is there truth to this? Who's drawing? What's the title? When is
>it due out?
>
Claremont was going to be doing a book with Wilce Portacio called the
Huntsmen(?).  Portacio has sence dropped out of/been dropped from the 
project.  Last i heard Claremont was having problems negotiating the
contracts with Image (he was the only one who knew how to write!:-)

Other Claremont projects:

Renegade(Dark Horse)
Aliens/Predator (Dark Horse)
Superman Elseworlds (D.C.)
Mysterious unnamed series currently in negotiaiton(D.C.--possibly Vertigo)
?Random House projects--Illustrated novel with John Bolton
------2 Graphic Novels with Art Adams (look for this to be finished sometime
before the next century :-)

Book 3 of First Flight and Grounded 

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From: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Subject: Re: The new X-Force and U.X-Men
Reply-To: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:27:11 GMT

In article <18ci39INN3rc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ba446@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Todd M. Hanson) writes:
>
>In a previous article, jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox) says:
>
>>  Now if only they'd follow up the last panel of the X-tinction
>>Agenda...I want Doug and Warlock back!
>
>Could you clarify this please?  What did the 'last panel' show, and how 
>does it suggest that Doug and Warlock could come back? (please,please,please
>let them bring back Doug!)

  After Warlock died, they put his ashes (or whatever they were) on
Doug's grave.  The last two panels of the Agenda were a closeup of the
pile, saying something stupid to the effect of "is that just light
reflecting off of the ashes--or something more?"

  In addition, Franklin Richard's simulacra of the alternate-future
New Mutants in the Days of Future Present (if you haven't read it,
don't ask) featured a transmode-virus-infected Doug Ramsey, which
might indicate how the two might return--of course, you never know
with Marvel's alternate futures.

  So it did seem that they were preparing a way to bring back Doug and
Warlock, though of course they haven't followed up on this at all,
apparently.

  Doug's soul is also hanging around the Salem Center cemetary where's
he's buried, as seen in PAD's touching "Tribute the Second" (I think?
Maybe the First) which was a backup story in the New Mutants chapter
of the Days of Future Present.  I don't know if things like this can
really be considered "in continuity," though.

  The one thing that might possibly be a sign of some development of
these plotlines is that Cable/Stryfe's bullet in the most recent X-Men
was, according to net.reports of preview information, carrying the
transmode virus.  The only place on Earth to get the transmode virus
would be from Warlock (unless, of course, he brought some with him
from the future).

>Speaking of Doug..  Waaaaay back in NM (I have no idea of the issue number)
>they did a story where Doug dreamed that he was infected with the techno(?)
>virus, and in turn infected the rest of the team.  After waking up, they
>showed a closeup of (an eye?) which showed the beginnings of the virus. Was
>this ever followed up on?

  Not as far as I know, but it's another good way to justify a "he's
not really dead," especially with the addition of Warlock's remains to
his.

Jonathan Lennox
jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: Spider-Man is joining the X-Men!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:08:47 GMT

In article <BuBnMs.3Mu@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> chak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew William Somers) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.145520.10926@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep9.081154.1@woods.ulowell.edu> lombardif@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>>}Yes, it's true!!! Spider-Man will soon be joining all the
>>}X-Groups as it is revealed that he IS, in fact, a Mutant.
>>
>>Why should this be a consideration?  They have had non-mutant members.
>>In fact, one of their field commanders in action has been a non mutant.
>
>Actually, even though Storm lost her powers, she was still a mutant.  From
>what I've read, a mutant is someone born with superhuman(unique) abilities,
>and no matter what happened, she was still born with those powers.
>
>The only non-mutant to be an X-Man was Mimic.

I always thought Mimic was a mutant.  And what about Longshot?  He's an alien,
not a mutant.

The Walrus

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From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Spider-Man is joining the X-Men!!
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:38:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.201307.24769@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
}In <1992Sep9.145520.10926@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
}
}>In article <1992Sep9.081154.1@woods.ulowell.edu> lombardif@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
}>}Yes, it's true!!! Spider-Man will soon be joining all the
}>}X-Groups as it is revealed that he IS, in fact, a Mutant.
}
}>Why should this be a consideration?  They have had non-mutant members.
}>In fact, one of their field commanders in action has been a non mutant.
}
}I hope you mean Mimic, not Storm! I-)

Naturally!