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From: WJP@vm.nrc.ca ( Wayne Podaima)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Shifted Cursor Keys?
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:53:37 GMT


OK, I give up!  How does one get the cursor keys on the console keyboard to
function the same when the Shift key is pressed down (ie: I would like the
cursor keys to move the cursor regardless of Shift up/down)?

Thanks in advance,
  Wayne
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From: cook@bebop.esd.sgi.com (Doug Cook)
Subject: Re: Real time features/problems under Irix 4.0.4
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 22:32:15 GMT


In article <1992Sep4.212119.13867@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, root@amerie.mcrcim.mcgill.edu writes:
> We can verify the performance of the task using an oscilloscope.
> It runs fairly reliably (with a maximum jitter of 2 or 3 msec.) if I
> edit files, run make, or list directories. However, serious delays
> of around 200 msec. or so can be caused by things involving the
> screen display -- such as moving and exposing windows. Scrolling
> inside an xterm window will also cause such a delay (although
> scrolling inside a winterm does not).
> 
> Our documentation on IRIX real-time talks about guaranteed process
> dispatch times of 1 to 2 milliseconds for real time tasks. So ...
> 
> 1. What really _is_ the worst case process dispatch time?
> 
> 2. Is there anything we can do to improve ours? (short
>    of booting the machine single user :-))

In general, the performance of IRIX is adequate for such real-time
tasks as you describe. However, what you're seeing is a particular bug.
The IRIX kernel is spinning, waiting for the full graphics FIFO to
empty. This bug shows up when you move or expose large windows.  This
problem is particularly bad on the 4D/35, because the CPU is so fast,
and the graphics engine so slow. Unfortunately, the people to whom this
bug has been assigned have it prioritized such that it hasn't yet been
fixed. Perhaps they are not aware of the problems it is causing users
who need real-time performance.

If this really causes a problem for you, please call into the TAC
and let them know, and/or let your sales rep know that this is
unacceptable. This will help the assigned bug fixers up the 
priority on this problem. We want to get our real-time performance
right. (The bug number in question is 69084.) I have also added the
description of your problem to the internal bug report.

	-Doug


Doug Cook  	(cook@sgi.com)		|    "What IS Digital Media?	
Software Engineer, ISD Audio Group	|    ...another name for graphics."
Silicon Graphics, Inc.			|
From: rcion@rw5.urc.tue.nl (Ion Barosan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: VIDEO ON SGI 4D/310 VGX
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:44:11 GMT
Reply-To: rcion@urc.tue.nl


Hello everyone,

I am new in the area of making video on a workstation, so I
need some help to get some experience.
I have been working with AVS4.0 on SGI 4D/310 VGX but unfortunately
at this moment I have a Broadcast Video Option with Genlock box
from SGI and I cannot work with output_Video_Creator module, which
comes with AVS4.0.

I will put some questions about this subject:

1. Does someone have experience with SGI 4D/310 VGX (with a Broadcast
    Video Option and AVS4.0 running on it) to make a video ?
2. Are there some books which treat the video subject on workstations ?

3. Which are the criterion to select the VCR's type ( by examples
   for AVS4.0 there is a list with a few VCR's type) ?


Any help will be very apreciated .
Thanks in advance .

- Ion Barosan
  University of Technology Eindhoven
  Computer Center
  The Netherlands.
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From: posse@masg6.epfl.ch (Christian Posse)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: tty width
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:06:09 GMT
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology

Hi SGI gurus.

I would like to know if it is possible to determine the
width of a window in order to control outputs like the
command ls -C does for multiple columns output. 
I have heard that on Sun (?) the `stty size` gives this result. 
But what about SGI ?

I must say that the description of ls -C in the man did not
help me.

Thanks in advance for your time in this.

Christian

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From: dpape@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Pape)
Subject: Accurate Machine Clock?
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: CSO Resource Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:16:05 GMT

Isn't there a way to tell you r SGI to "call" an atomic clock somewhere
and set the internal clock accurately?

I know about the timeslave function, and it has an option -C which supposedly
(according to the man page) 

"     -C tty
          specifies the filename of a tty port, such as /dev/ttyd2, with a
          Precision Time Standards WWV receiver.
"

But how the heck do you get PTS WWV receiver running?
(no man page...)

Dan Pape

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From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: DAT tapes
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 22:57:26 GMT

In <1992Sep11.012710.8942@news.Hawaii.Edu> donna@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Donna Okazaki) writes:
| Please excuse the pathetic little question, but noone here
| seems to know what kind of tapes to buy for the SGI DAT drive
| which is installed in an Indigo.
| 
| Will the Sony DATman tapes work as well as the high-priced
| "data-quality" tapes?  What's the average life expectancy of a tape?

Yes and no.  They will work, but they may not last as long, and they
may not get as many write cycles as the data grade.  Some brands may
have a cheaper/less rigid/whatever cartridge shell, as well.

That said, I have heard rumors that consumer DAT never quite took off
in popularity to the point where more DataDAT cartridges are sold than
audio, and that some manufacturers are actually making everything to
data grade standards.  This is purely a rumor, but it is an interesting
reversal of the 8mm situation, if true.

| And does anyone know of a good mail-order outfit to get them from?
| The pickings are rather slim/expensive here in Hawaii.

I've seen them in several different catalogs, but I've tossed them
all, so I can't remember names (other than Inmac).
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From: vulture@carrion.cc.ic.ac.uk (Thomas Sippel - Dau)
Subject: Re: X Terminal: I want my WorkSpace! --I have the opposite opinion.
Reply-To: cmaae47@cc.ic.ac.uk
Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:18:27 BST

In article <32494@adm.brl.mil>, HERBER@fnalf.fnal.gov (Randolph J. Herber, CD/DCD/USS, x2966) writes:
 -- +From: "John H. Chauvin" <jchauvin@netcom.com>
 -- +Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
 -- +Subject: X Terminal: I want my WorkSpace!
 -- 
 -- I strongly dislike systems where I can not make the GUI's and menuing
 -- systems "stay out of my hear"!  I feel them extremely hard to use because of
 -- their inflexibility and obscurity.  Give me man pages and a command interface.
 -- 
Well, yes. There are really two issues here:

1. Should you manage (or use) the system exclusively with a GUI - like the 
   administators tool or workspace. I will not be part of that flame ware,
   as it is too hot in here already.

2. Should users be able to run toys like the sgi mailbox with an opening door
   or the sgi desk clock over an X-terminal ?

Now for toys like this it is just silly that they can't, but it is almost 
as silly to assign somebody to port the desk clock to use plein X rather than 
gl. What could be useful would be to have a gl to X translator, but that is
difficult to do for SGI. Not that the code is so difficult to do, but because
it comes from SGI people would run powerflip or revolve from an Indigo-server
over X, see that it crawls rather than runs, and decide not to buy SGI machines
because "they are so slow". 

In this dilemma it is easier to explain that you cannot do that over an 
X-terminal, which will be believed, rather than blame the X-terminal as
being too slow, which will be seen as a lame excuse.

From a user's point of view, it means sticking with utilities like oclock and
xbiff in cases the graphics are not critical, and not get used to toys that 
don't work everywhere. For powerflip you will just have to buy a machine that
is capable of running it.

                                 Thomas

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From: edwarda@cs.monash.edu.au (Edward Fok Iao Au)
Subject: setvaluator() problem under IRIX 4.0.4
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:04:48 GMT

I had a problem with setvaluator() in the Graphics Library under IRIX 4.0.4.
When the following piece of code is run, the mouse pointer is warped to the
upper half of the screen and contrainted to horizontal motion hereafter:

	setvaluator(MOUSEX,xorg+xsize/2,0,getgdesc(GD_XPMAX)-1);
	setvaluator(MOUSEY,yorg+ysize/2,0,getgdesc(GD_YPMAX)-1);

The same problem occurs when showcase is run, when the mouse pointer is
supposed to warped to the centre of the showcase's window.

Edward
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From: thsspxh@iitmax.iit.edu (Patrick HURT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Euroweather data
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:40:15 GMT
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep11.114718.26874@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> senseman@ricky.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman) writes:
>In article <18n71qINNi9g@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> mmcohen@cats.ucsc.edu (Michael M Cohen) writes:
>>
>>Someone was asking about European weather maps
>>for bgpaste? ... Should work with a bit of editing
>>for the weather shell recently posted.
>>
>
>The original post in this thread (which I missed somehow) mentioned
>something about getting US weather maps but not European. Could someone
>E-Mail me the site for getting US Weather maps? Thanks.
>-- 

Me too, please! Also, if anybody has a script getting the weather
by ftp, and popping it up on the screen, please mail it to me.

Thanks, Patrick.

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From: kyriazis@mistral.rdrc.rpi.edu (George Kyriazis)
Subject: olwm and stereo (was: Sun Xview clients and 4.0.5)
Keywords: xview, stereo
Organization: Rensselaer Design Research Center, RPI, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:35:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.092041.874@ifi.unizh.ch> sinkwitz@ifi.unizh.ch (Rainer Sinkwitz) writes:
>
>I still use the OpenWindows Developers Guide user interface builder 
>remotely from Sun to compile the generated source on SGI but I fear
>I'm a little alone with that.
>
We are thinking of doing the same thing, using DevGuide on the Sun to 
produce user interface code that is compilable in all our platforms (SGI,
Suns and RS6000's).

We've heard that there is a problem NOT using 4Dwm when you want to switch the
monitor into stereo mode.  Apparently, programs can make some functions calls
to the window manager that tell it to display windows twice, which is necessary
when the frame buffer is interleaved for stereo use.

If anyone knows more details (or corrections) about the above, please let
us know..

  Thanks..
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From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Subject: Re: help for man binary
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:41:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.134006.7472@cc.ic.ac.uk>, vulture@carrion.cc.ic.ac.uk (Thomas Sippel - Dau) writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.211926.1@evax0.eng.fsu.edu>, super@evax0.eng.fsu.edu writes:
> .....
>  --       2)  How can I put a daily announcement to every user then they are 
>  -- login.  I may modify every users .login file, but that may be too time
>  -- consuming.
> 
> For announcements use /etc/motd, but people will just ignore them if they are
> too longwinded or never get changed.
> 
> For more useful message delivery, see the manual page on news. Announcements
> in there will be seen automatically (well...) only once, but can be retrieved
> if necessary.


/etc/issue works in IRIX.  It differs from /etc/motd in when it is printed.


Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
From: ted@cs.utexas.edu (Ted Woodward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: PI video boards and X performance
Date: 8 Sep 1992 22:28:21 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: bovina.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Sep7.020221.14835@microunity.com> jsw@microunity.com (Jeff Weinstein) writes:
>In article <laic2eINNb8b@bovina.cs.utexas.edu>, ted@cs.utexas.edu (Ted Woodward) writes:
>> Our project is in X only.  No GL.  It uses XDrawLine and various XFill
>> routines.  Will choosing a TG or XS24 over the G make any performance
>> difference in this case?  If so, how much for each?

>  You will definitely get the best performance from XS24.  TG will give
>the same X performance as G, since X specific microcode doesn't use
>the turbo option.

OK, gotcha.  But how much faster is the XS24 than the G+?  We're using SMS
(Softcopy Mapping System) to put up maps, etc, and I'd like to know if there
would be a noticible improvement going with the XS24, especially since it's
about 8K more than the G+, and we are dual headed...


-- 
Ted Woodward (ted@cs.utexas.edu)

"Mad scientists HATE shopping for shoes!" -- Peaches
From: rindress@ctron.com (Rindress MacDonald)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Reading the proc structure and kernel variables on SGI Indigo?
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:32:29 GMT
Reply-To: rindress@ctron.com (Rindress MacDonald)
Organization: Cabletron Systems Inc


  Hi,
    I was wondering if anybody knows of any public domain programs that read
  the kernel variables, and in particular the proc structure?  I know its
  possible to access the kernel structures through the sysmp call.
      sysmp( MP_KERNADDR, MPKA_PROC, ????, ????)
  I am not sure what to put for these last two fields.  Does this return the
  actual address of the proc table in /dev/kmem or is it the offset into
  /unix ?


  Thanks in advance,
  Rindress

EMAIL : rindress@ctron.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: (Q) 20M floptical driver; reading DOS format
Keywords: floptical DOS format SCSI driver
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 07:06:10 GMT

In <vthrc.716449595@brolga> vthrc@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Danny Thomas) writes:
|              we're contemplating the purchase of an XS24, but for now 
| we're speaking as people who never touched one and have minimal UN*X 
| experience. Todays question: is there driver software available for an 
| InSite 20M floptical drive (SCSI interface), and if so a way to 
| read/write DOS formatted disks? I guess it is similar to a CDROM in being 
| a removable SCSI disk, but also happens to be writable.

Support for the Insite is planned in a "future release".  Yes, the
current msdosd stuff will work on it, and presumably SoftPC will
also work.  I would imagine the public domain mtools will also
work.

It isn't even remotely similar to CD-ROM.

If you can get a driver manual out of Insite, you could probably
hack up mtools to use the ds (devscsi) driver and access it
directly, at least in the normal PC densities.  In the 20 Mbyte
mode it sort of works with the dksc driver as of 4.0.5, but their
silly modesense that is required before you can do certain things
in high density mode may be a problem.
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From: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert)
Subject: GNU finger and other GNU software installation
Reply-To: silvert@biome.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert)
Organization: Habitat Ecology Div., Bedford Inst. Oceanography
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:26:35 GMT

I just gave up on trying to install GNU finger 1.35 under IRIX 4.0.5.
The Makefile is incredibly complex, and it didn't seem worth the struggle.
Does anyone have any general advice on installing GNU software, which seems
to be getting trickier to deal with?

My top priority would be the g++ library update, anyone done that yet?
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From: portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Help me spend money (upgrade)
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:08:51 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


In article <1992Sep10.174739.22916@news.media.mit.edu>, testarne@liverpool.media.mit.edu writes:
> I have a 4D/20 (12MHz, 12M ram, 8-bit display, 500M drive,
> Graphics Revision 1.1) and have about $1000 to spend in
> upgrades (more if a really good upgrade).  The important
> things are graphics (particularly X), crunch power, and
> disk (never enough).   The suggestions so far are
> 
> upgrade to GR 1.2 (faster blitting for X)  ~$100
> upgrade to 16M ram 	something like $1000 (seems expensive)


You should defintely get the GR 1.2 upgrade.  This will
make X perform much, much faster on your hardware.

Beyond that, I would also say go for the 16 M upgrade
as well.  Especially under 4.0, this is important to
help reduce disk thrashing you encounter.

Hint: Standard Macintosh or PC-compatible 1 MB memory
SIMMS will work in the 4D/20 or 4D/25.  I believe you
need at least 100 ns speed, and they must have the extra
parity bit (1 MBx9).  So, to upgrade your current system
from 12 to 16 MB, you need buy only four memory SIMMs,
at about $35 each, last time I checked street prices.
Then, you can afford to spend the rest of your money
(should be about $700-$750 at that point) on a bigger,
faster disk drive...

--
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From: yvent@ntua.gr (Yiannis Ventikos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Cant login on console, HELP
Summary: I cant login on the console
Keywords: Problem console login
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:07:10 GMT
Organization: National Technical University of Athens

I hope this is not a very FAQ, I am new to the IRIX
world. Here it is: when I try to login on my console
I cant. I clik the icon, I type in the password (where
necessary) and after 3-4 seconds I am back to the login
screen. I cant even login to root. If I telnet to the
machine everything runs smoothly. I have tried FAILSAFE,
wont do. I x for reading this. E-mailing is preferable.
BTW, I think that the little icons with the user names
are much darker than they were when the system was 
operational.


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From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Reading CDI in an Indigo CD-ROM drive
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:47:31 GMT


Hi.

A music mail-order place in the UK is advertising a "CD-I" listing 73,000
CDs. Is it possible to read CD-I in the standard (I hope that's what we've
got - our Indigo expert is on holiday) Indigo CD-Rom drive. Furthermore, is
the data in a CD-I readable with *reasonable* effort (e.g. a quick and dirty
programme to translate to normal text) or is it stored in some super-complex
compressed/encrypted/whatever format.

Thanks in anticipation,


Ross-c
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From: peta@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Peter Whaite)
Subject: Re: GNU finger and other GNU software installation
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:10:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.132635.8045@biome.bio.ns.ca> silvert@biome.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert) writes:
>I just gave up on trying to install GNU finger 1.35 under IRIX 4.0.5.
>The Makefile is incredibly complex, and it didn't seem worth the struggle.
>Does anyone have any general advice on installing GNU software, which seems
>to be getting trickier to deal with?

I'm no expert on this but its my impression that you shouldn't be editing the
Makefiles, and that there is a config script that should be run (kinda like
mkmf for X windows stuff -- the Makefiles there are pretty complicated too).

In any case I think that you should repost this to one of the gnu groups where
I am sure someone can help you, maybe gnu.utils, or gnu.utils.bug if you think
there is a problem with the installation procedure.

Submitting bug reports for GNU software is what you have to do if you want
this software to develop. There is a section in the GNU emacs info that tells
you how to submit bug reports.

>My top priority would be the g++ library update, anyone done that yet?

I'm not sure what you mean by the library update.  We've installed gcc-2.2.2
(with some patches) and libg++-2.2 on our SGI's (4.0.4).   Many others have
done the same.



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