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From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Raiders QBs
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:49:46 GMT

In article <1abm3iINNkn8@phakt.usc.edu>,
tehyang@phakt.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang) writes:

(burp)

>BTW, I feel that the loss of Bo Jackson is the biggest contributing factor to
>the Raiders' decline since the 90' season. And why does Al Davis keep insisting
>on signing up all these washed-up old players?

Al Davis is the biggest contributing factor to Raiders decline just
as he had been the biggest contributing factor to their success.

Big, franchise players go down all the time to injuries.  Only a
stupid, backward management has half of a starting lineup that
can't play anymore.

The Raiders had a knack for filling in minor need with a seemed-
to-be washed out or problem player.  They have made it their staple.

Mike
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From: bud@sequent.com (Pat Hauke)
Subject: Re: Niners Beat Aints, Refs
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 12:47:14 GMT

In article <s!_pcnn.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>
>CHA-CHING!!  BA-DA-BING!!
>
>Ladies and gentlemen, the above cheer for the New Orleans Aints was
>adopted by fans who mimic the sound of cash registers being opened
>in order to pay off lousy NFL officials who were obviously trying
>to give the game to the Aints.  Thanks to the traditionally stellar
>play down the stretch of Aints QB Bobby ("I can say you suck but keep
>your mouth shut about me!") Hebert, though, even the zebras couldn't
>deprive the Niners of a victory.
>
>OK, enough sarcasm (for the time).  I've seen terrible officiating in 
>the past, but I would PAY for the chance to put this squad on the witness
>stand to explain their fumble/non-TD call against Jerry Rice in the first
>quarter.  What could their rationale possibly have been?  The only way
>that Rice doesn't get that TD is if he was down first, in which case no
>fumble.  There is absolutely no disputing the fact that the ball broke
>the plane of the end zone before it came loose (by contact with the
>ground, BTW).  At best, a simply atrocious call.  How do those southern
>teams continue to get such great home-town officiating, anyway?
>

And it wasn't enough that they ruled he fumbled. Get this: When Jerry's hand
with the ball in it hit the ground on the goal line, it popped loose and layed
there on the ground. Guy McIntyre fell on the ball, chest first. In the
scuffle, McIntyre was turned over and stripped of the ball. Then it was ruled
a touch back in favor of the Saints. So that's two bad calls in one!

This is no to mention two other so called fumbles, one by Carroll (NOT) and
the other by Watters (NOT)!

At a minimum, I think instant replay should be reinstated at the goal line,
kind of like a photo finish in a horse race! (Oh Boy, a new Pandora's Box!)

bud

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From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Standings and playoffs (?) 
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:00:31 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep28.112053.15344@tom.rz.uni-passau.de>, zentner@picard.phil.uni-passau.de (Martin Zentner) writes:
> Hi folks,
> 
> here are some question from someone, who doesn't know all about  
> pro-football. So could someone please explain the following things to me  
> (direct e-mail preferred)
> 
> First: How do you calculate the divisional standings ? (In detail: What  
> kind of sorting is done after the pct ?)

            1. over all record
            2. head to head competition
            3. points for and points against
            there are more but I don't know where they go in the list
            4(?) record against common opponents(division)
            5(?) record against common opponents(all)
            6(?) strength of schedules
            I think there may be more
            7(?) coin toss

> Second: How do you determine the playoff-games ? (More precise: Who meets  
> who in the conference-playoffs. --> No names, no guesses, just the way,  
> how it is done.)

                       First round: Top two division winners get bye
                                    Remaining division winner plays the
                                    lowest wild card and the other two
                                    wild cards meet

                       Second round: Top remaining team plays team with
                                     worst record and the other two meet

                       Third round: Conference championship

                       Fourth round: League Championship

      ( each conference has 3 division winners and 3 wild cards at the
beginning of the play offs)

> Last: How do you build the season-gameplan ? What kind of system is behind  
> the schedule ? (I don't think, they choose the matches by random.)

                Each team plays thear division members twice
                And I think each division takes on another division
                from the other conference, then the other games are of
                teams who placed around where your team placed the 
                previous year in it's division. Like the 1 placed team
                in a division will play other 1 place teams in the 
                same conference.

                                  _doug the dolfan

> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
>      Martin
> _______________________________________________________________________
>  Martin Zentner     
>        zentner@picard.phil.uni-passau.de (NeXT-Mail welcome)
>        "If you ask me, you have to take 42 as an answer."   
> _______________________________________________________________________
From: curt@oce.orst.edu (Curt Vandetta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bermanisms
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:35:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvIBMs.Dxs
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography

In article <1aht0fINNam8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
>
>In a previous article, zezula@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Chad E Zezula) says:
>
>>In article <1992Sep30.220610.25895@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>>>
>>>Updated list of the Bermanator's classics:
>>>
>>>   Reggie "Foghorn" Langhorne
>>>   Vince Workman "my way back to you, babe"
>>>   Thermal Thomas
>>>   Brad "Colonel" Muster "who did it in the Laboratory with a lead pipe"
>>>   Scott "Won't you let me take you on a" Secules
>>>   "Who Framed" Roger Ruzek
>>>   Steve "I got you babe" Bono
>>>   Eric "Sleeping with" Bieniemy.
>>>   Steve "A-Tisker-A" Taskers
>>>   Toi's "In the Attic" Cook
>>>   Barry "Never a discouraging" Word
>>>   Andre "Bad Moon" Rison
>>>
>>>Any other favorites?
>>
>>Jeff "Mick" Jaeger
>>John "Deep" Friez
>>Dwight "and the Family" Stone
>>Jeff "Boy" George
>>Michael "Purple" Hayze (sp?)
>>
  Steve "I won't be your beast of" Berman
  Willie "The color of money" Green

>     How about some of my own:
>"The Importance of being" Earnest Byner
>Jim "Peanut Butter and" Kelly
>Dan "Eight Men" Fouts
>Gale "force winds" Sayers
>Joe Namath "that tune"
>Ernie "Until the 12th of" Nevers (That's a real old song!)
>Johnny Unitas "We Stand, Divided We Fall" (Great Colts theme song, huh?
>Unitas we stand, divided we fall/with Johnny we will never have our backs
>against the wall!  Sorry, it's been a long week of studying.)

  Troy "My" Aikman "Nuts"
  "Kiss my" Marrion Butts
  Dwight "hands of" Stone  (heard this from someone else on the net?)

  Curt
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From: tom@vexcel.com (Tom Baltzer)
Subject: Re: Mike Shanahan
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:35:37 GMT

In article <ld1gvoINNpfd@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:
>Were Denver Bronco fans sorry to lose Mike Shanahan?  I heard that Dan
>Reeves fired him for being too friendly with John Elway.

It's really strange how Shanahan has been in and back out of the
Broncos organization.  Reeves and Elway have had a history of not
seeing eye to eye with one another, so Shanahan became a moderator 
of sorts when he was offensive coordinator.  I think IMHO that
when Shanahan came back after the Raiders experience Reeves and
Elway had somewhat patched their differences, (to some degree), and
that Shanahan's return started to interfere, (in Reeve's opinion), with
this newly found communication.  Also, I think that any Offensive coordinator
under Reeves will not be content, 'cause the O is Dan's show, 
(sometimes I wish he'd lighten up!).  

To answer your question, I don't think Bronco fans were terribly 
sorry to see him go (again).  After all, he quit the Broncos and 
went and coached the dreaded Raiders.  Bronco fans hate Raiders!

Tom.
>
>When Mike Shanahan was first hired as the 49ers offensive coordinator,
>I thought it was another bone-headed post-Walsh maneuver, like the
>handling of Dexter Carter, the planBing of Ronnie Lott combined with
>the non-planBing of Bubba Paris, the putative new helmet design, or
>this year's planBing of Dave Waymer.
>
>But I was wrong.  Shanahan's problems as head coach of the LA Raiders
>are not in evidence with the 49ers, a more highly disciplined team.
>And his play calling has been excellent.  Shanahan has called many
>left-handed plays suited to Steve Young, which Holmgren seldom did.
>Although some plays (for example long bombs) do not work out, they
>at least accomplish a purpose (in this case stretching the defense).
>I think Shanahan's play calling is at least as responsible as Ricky
>Watters for the resurgence of the running game.  The run/pass mix is
>unpredictable yet timely.  The sweep is working again.  Holmgren was
>more of a run on 1st and 2nd down, pass on 3rd type of play caller.
>I'm starting to think Siefert wanted to get rid of Holmgren all along.
>
>Anyway, I doubt the 49ers will go far in the playoffs this year with
>their mediocre defense, but their offense is much improved, largely
>because of Mike Shanahan.
>
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: <None>
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:10:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: violet.1992Oct5.121037.1
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1687794C6.TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu>, TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann) writes: 
>    No , I'm not a Perot supporter.  That has nothing to do with football,
> therefore has no significance whatsoever. 

You missed the smiley, Tom.  (Bush : Marv :: Perot : Buddy)  :-)

> Now lets discuss the real
> issue facing Bills fans.  In super bowl XXV, the bills played an
> inferior Giants team.  They were outcoached, and lost, albeit by a
> slim margin.  Last year they lost to New England, and almost to the Jets.
> This was not due to a lack of talent, but to a lack of good coaching.

I can see where you're coming from.  I remember Marv from when he coached
Kansas City, and I didn't see him as anything other than a generic NFL
coach.  His teams didn't win anything there either.  The Bills success so
far seems to be from having the best talent in the conference....better
than Miami's, Denver's, anybody's.

> I cant  believe that the Bills passed over Joe Greene for a coaching
> position. I think that Marv is so busy looking after his cronies that
> his judgement has been  faulty.  I still feel that the Bills have more
> talent than any other team, and if they had a real coach, they may have
> started a dynasty by now.  Flame all you like, I dont really give a shit.

Ifs, ifs, ifs....no doubt there's a better NFL coach out there than Levy,
but if they had to choose one, why did you suggest Buddy Ryan?
-- 
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f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

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	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
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From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Subject: ****U of T, San Antonio****
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Distribution: global
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:40:35 GMT

Could any of you faithful readers from the Universtiy of Texas at 
San Antonio please e-mail me.  I am looking for a friend of mine 
there, and was wondering if anyone knows her, or knows of her where
abouts...Thanks,

Sean


PS - sorry for taking up space in rec.sport.football.pro with this, but
it is the only place that I have seen anyone from UTSA posting on a 
regular basis...


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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: FINAL SCORES (half games played)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:16:33 GMT

Atlanta	  31		Chicago      41  * FINAL

I saw this game and the Bears looked pretty awesome.  Although the 
Falcons did score, the Bears certainly looked in control of their 
offense.  The Bears had too many offensive weapons. Anderson/Muster 
combined for over 300 yds of offense and 2 tds. Waddle/Davis were used 
effectively also. Excellent blocking by the Bears as well. The 
Falcons role now seems to be as spoilers, IMHO, the rest of way...
they also stink!  GOOD Falcon report: Rison...he scored 3 TDs,
the last one with no time left after Sanders was fouled
attempting a catch...big deal...the Falcons still stink!

Minnesota	  42   	Cincinnati    7  * FINAL
Tampa Bay  27		Detroit   23     *  FINAL
Buffalo	41  		New England   7   *  FINAL
Denver	   12 		Cleveland     0   ** FINAL  NO TDs!!
San Diego	 0			Houston       27  *  FINAL
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my
   friends call it."        Edgar Allan Poe
From: newson@sequent.com (Newson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Niners Beat Aints, Refs
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:39:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Sep29.203951.3289
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <BvCqq9.47I@news.orst.edu> curt@oce.orst.edu (Curt Vandetta) writes:
>
>In article <z5_p5vj.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep28.191955.15422@cs.tulane.edu> buckley@cs.tulane.edu (James Buckley) writes:
>>
>>>Remember, the 49ers have to play the Saints one more time this year.
>>>So I wouldn't get all "high and mighty" just yet ...
>>
>>Especially if the officiating is as choice for that game as it was
>>for last night's.  Even the best teams can't consistently come up
>>through *that*.
>
> I won't argue that the Rice Fumble was a bad call.  It should have been ruled
> down by contact with the spot of the ball on the 1/2 yard line, since that
> is where the ball was when his knees were down.  But other than that one
> call the Refs did all right.

Sorry bud, but the ref's absolutely blew the call on Watters! He was down.

I was rather impressed with the Saints ability to move the ball in the latter
part of the game, but this game wasn't as close as the score indicated. The
Niners should have had a minimum of a 13 point lead in the forth quarter.

-newson
>
> If I was a 49'er fan (and that's a big IF) I would be more concerned about
> the offensive line play than the Refs.  The Saints were putting a lot of
> presure on Young from the outside (OLB's rushing to be more specific) a
> less mobile QB than Young, like Montana for example, would have been sacked
> quite a few times.  If your looking for a reason why they didn't perform
> at various points of the game, that is why.  Young was constantly having
> to step up and scrabble up the middle.  It also appeared to me, but the
> camera view you get from TV makes it hard to know for sure, that Rice was
> doing a very poor job of coming back to Young when Young was in trouble.
> Perhaps he was starting to block when Young was scrambling around, but it
> didn't appear that they were working together very well.  
>
> It looks like the Saints might have found a weakness in the San Francisco
> offense.  Presure Young hard from the outside, force him to scrabble up
> the middle and try to contain him with an inside LB playing the middle
> zone.  It may not stop the SF offense, but it sure slowed them down.  If
> the Saints had any kind of offense at all, they could have won that game.
>
> The Saints remind me a lot of Philadelphia last year.  A Great D, but no
> O, only the Eagles had an excuse!
>
> Curt
>
>
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: NFC Central
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:31:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.042621.28301@zip.eecs.umich.edu> sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma) writes:

   In article <kelbJ5y00VB1Q7r0MJ@andrew.cmu.edu> Erik Karl Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
   >Detroit, however, I can't understand.  They lose to teams much worse
   >than them and even Sanders isn't running well (not by his standards,
   >anyway).  Rodney Peete has been throwing too poorly for a run-and-shoot
   >offense to allow, and their defense just hasn't been holding people well
   >enough to allow for an unproductive offense.
   >
   >Any other comments?

   Only that the Lions' only win against the Vikings wasn't really an
   adequate description of how both teams were playing.  Peete couldn't
   connect in that game either.  The Lions are lucky that they are not
   4 games back of the Vikings.

Right.  A last second score cost them the Bears game, a last second score
cost them the Bucs game.  They played worse than Wash and lost by 3 on the
road, and just a bit of luck could have easily won it for them.  But it
didn't.  The team is 1-3, having lost to all the same teams they lost to last
year, but playing *each* of them much tougher than last year.

If you want to go with could bes, it seems much more reasonable to me to
claim the Lions could eaily be 4-0 than 0-4.  But we all know that I don't
like to get into could-bes.  The team is 1-3 and has dug itself an early
hole.

Bill
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From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: GET READY FOR A LOSS DOLPHANS!
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:36:15 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <BvH483.L0E@acsu.buffalo.edu> v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY) writes:
>We in the Great White North used to be able to count on 3 things in life.
>
>	1.)	Death
>	2.)	Taxes
>	3.)	Losing to Miami twice a year
>
>NOT ANY MORE!!!!!!!!!
>NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!!
>
>Thurman Thomas HATES the Dollies more than Bush hates Broccoli!
>That is enough to push Buffalo to VICTORY right there.
>
>(Amazing how the term "BUSH" always comes up when your talking
>(or writing) about the Dollies)
>
>So "Hello Dollies- It's so nice to put you DOWN where you belong!!!
>
>Hee! Hee!	My favorite game of the year!
>For Dolli-phans, Life is a swirling eddy of dispair and then they die.
>Bye for now!
>
>Even our college team scores 40+ points!!!!!!!!!!!
>GOOOOOOO-O-O-O	BILLS, BULLS, BISONS AND er, ahh, well Sabres. Yeh that's it!


   I suppose you don't want to take any of this back now, eh? :-)


  "...they kicked our ass."

   		Jim Kelly, 10/04/92, after the Buffalo-Miami game


  Doug
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From: keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 11:02:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Future QB of the LA Raiders...
Organization: work
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

/ hpdmd48:rec.sport.football.pro / estrella@src.dec.com (John Estrella) /  2:56 pm  Sep 21, 1992 /

>I was not impressed at all by the skills of Todd Marinovich,
>
>to the point of thinking, that if this is their QB for the next
>
>few years, they are not going to be a contending team.
>
>By the way is this the same Marinovich everyone is been talking about?
>
>
>!!!!!GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO   NINERS...
>
>JOHN ESTRELLA
>----------


	Last Sunday was Marinovich's third start in two seasons. He 
	made the typical "new guy" mistakes, and did a real poor
	job looking off his receivers. he needs experience, but has
	good presence on the field. With some time and a decent
	line to work behind, he could be a good one. If he stays
	out of trouble.

		
	Keith
++++++++++++++
From: aephel01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Joe "Party Animal" Montana
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:31:43 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep30.143628.20661@cs.tulane.edu>, duclaux@cs.tulane.edu (Sean Duclaux) writes:
>
>         [ story about Montana out partying deleted ]
>
> Well, I just thought some of the SF fans would like to know what their
> hero, Joe "I'm a big LUSH" Montana, was doing while in N. O. away from
> Jennifer and his beloved fans.  It's just a good thing he doesn't have
> to come back for a while.
> 
> This is a first-hand account of my experiences w/ Joe.  I met him in
> Cats Meow and then went out with him after.

You just made my admiration of the man go way up.

-- no sig necessary --
       Aza