From: trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre)
Subject: Re: Christian Pro-Choicers 
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:13:49 GMT

hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu  writes:

> In article <1993Jan8.172612.17505@news.unomaha.edu> trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes:

> >I'd like to ask a simple question: where in the New Testament does
> >     either Jesus or God say, "I leave it unto you, my followers,
> >     to persecute those who you deem in the wrong."?

> No, but we are instructed to care for the fatherless.  Would it have been
> wrong for Christians to send pictures of dead Jews to Nazi leaders, or
> even to blockade the Auschwitz deathcamp?

Ah, but the Jews who died in the holocaust were *born*, and 
     that, my friend, makes a good bit of difference.  You see,
     your argument stems from your belief that once a human
     is conceived, it is also a being and person.  However,
     I don't believe the human is either being or person until
     after birth.  So please-- prove I'm wrong.

Secondly, if you (and many other pro-lifers) were so very
     concerned for the fatherless (and presumably the 
     motherless), then why not concern for the young,
     unwanted orphans passing time in an adoption center
     just waiting to be loved?  It seems to me that few
     pro-lifers put their money where their mouth is.

> >     I do recall
> >     a passage where Jesus, in a parable, talked of two men going
> >     before the temple to ask for forgiveness.  One said something
> >     to the effect of, "Forgive me Lord.  I am a sinner."  The 
> >     other (perhaps a Pharisee?) said somthing to the effect of,
> >     "Aren't you glad I'm not like that sinner over there-- me,
> >     your ever-faithful servant?"  It would seem the writer of
                                               ^^^^
> >     the above paragraph would fall in line with the second
> >     personage. 

> Thank you for your kind and gracious words.  I did not realize that you had
> the ability to look into my heart and see if I were penitent or arrogant.

No ability to look into the hearts of men does this writer
     have, but a keen eye for appearances I do possess.  No
     judgement, just opinion.

> >But, to get back to the topic Link wrote about, why must there
> >     only be two sides to the issue?  Why must there only be
> >     pro-life and anti-life?  Why not a side whereby we let 
> >     people make up their own minds, and let God take care of 
> >     them in the end?

> Everbody makes up their own mind anyway, and God does take care of it.  If
> I wanted to take a machine gun and kill people, God would take care of me
> in the end.  But if you were present, you might want to try to stop me from 
> harming the innocent.  No matter what, it does come down to the question,
> "Is abortion murder?"  If abortion is murder (as I obviously believe), then
> it is wrong to kill the children.  If it is not, abortion could still be a
> sin for a Christian to get one, because she would have to trample over the 
> consciences of other Christians to get one.

Again, you are dealing with born persons when you talk of
     murder-- that is, sentient, "I-can-tell-you-whether-
     I'm-hungry-or-not" beings.  There's a great deal of
     difference between myself and the fertilized egg
     you so proudly champion.

> >     So why not let God do the job of
> >     judging and condemning (I'm sure He'll do a much better
> >     job of it than Link ever could)?
> 
> God certainly will take care of it.  But in the mean time, babies are being
> killed.

And so the argument continues...

> 
> Link Hudson.

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