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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Pier Fishing for Sharks
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:59:03 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep12.000913.27097@spock.retix.com> cathal@spock.retix.com (Cathal Fitzpatrick) writes:
 
|I've just been reading in the LA Times today about 3 Great Whites that
|have been caught lately by guys fishing off Manhattan Beach Pier (they
|were all about 6-7 feet). The pier is not very long, and I got
|the impression from the article that the sharks were actually landed
|on the beach after being hooked from the pier.
|
|Anyone out there ever fished for sharks like this ?? What sort
|of tackle is used and is it very common to catch sharks so close to
|the shore ??
 
Perhaps I should tell my white shark/sea-lion-in-the-boat story again...

First a question to the net in general.  Do people that don't have access
to this kind of coastal fishing mind seeing a worldwide distribution?  Since
the traffic in rec.outdoors.fishing has surpassed what alt.fishing ever was
this could become an issue in the future.  My personal thoughts are screw
the distribution lines.  One never knows when they might be in that area
being discussed.

Except for the guy in Jaws I haven't heard of anyone actually going after
white sharks.  6-7 feet is a baby.  While fishing from a pier might be a
safer way to catch a great white I would certainly hesitate on going after
them from a boat.  A lot of people out here do go after blue sharks, and they
can get pretty big.  Even more go after leopard sharks.  There is a place
just south of Santa Cruz called Elkhorn slough that is loaded with leopard
sharks, skates, guitarfish and bat-rays (even a few halibut).  I've landed
a few leopard sharks in the 5-6' range, as well as a 28# guitarfish (similar
to a skate), as well as an 18# bat-ray.  The bat-ray is considered a baby
compared to the 100+ pounders that are caught out of Elkhorn slough.  As
far as the "so close to shore" comment goes, there have been several great
white shark attacks on surfers in the last few years in "the triangle", and
areas which extends from just north of Santa Cruz, out to the Farallon Islands,
and up to Bodega bay.  Elkhorn slough is only about 3' deep during low tides.
It's a blast to be in it in a canoe and paddle into the shallower areas and
watch the sharks "fin" out to deeper water.

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| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
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From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: NOTICE:"Bigfoot/Sasquatch" Sightings Request
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:07:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Fishing Report:  West Virginia
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:12:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division


Golden Trout - Salmo aguabonita

"The species has cadmium  along the belly, a camine  stripe  along the
middle of each side, yellow on the lower sides, rosy  opercles,  about
ten parr marks, and orange-tipped  dorsal fin,  white-tipped  anal and
ventral fins, spotted caudal, adipose, and dorsal fins.  ...  When the
species is reared at low  altitudes,  it tends to assume a steely-blue
appearance, losing the brilliant coloring."

"Originally  the trout was found  only in the  headwaters  of the Kern
river in California.  ...  Goldens  differ from the common  species of
trouts in being limited to high-altitude lakes and streams."

Taken from McClanes field guide to freshwater fishes.

I have had the pleasure of catching some goldens high in the mountains
of Idaho.  They are spectacular.

Dave
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From: bpencek@nevada.edu (Bruce Pencek)
Subject: fishy calendars (was: weather and fishing)
Organization: Political Science Department, UNLV
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:56:39 GMT

I suspect that Trout Unlimited will send out another "voluntary payment"
calendar this year.  (I always found the blank greeting cards more useful.)
While I have misgivings about the direction TU is headed in ("advocacy"
at the expense of angling, aided by a recent coup d'etat), I'll still
send them the requested "donation," and I'll probably renew my membership.



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Political Science Dept           bpencek@nevada2.bitnet
University of Nevada, Las Vegas  (702) 739-3307
"Just because I work at UNLV, it doesn't mean I support basketball."
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: jholsapp@encore.com (Jeff Holsapple)
Subject: Re: Pier Fishing for Sharks
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:32:06 GMT

>> The only shark I helped catch was an 8' bull shark but my buddies caught
>> several hammerheads, including an 11 footer. We managed to get the jaws out
>> of the bull shark, but when we tried to pull it back out past the shore
>> break, the waves kept washing it back onto the beach. I can just image the
>> expressions on the tourists as they arrived the next morning and saw an 8'
>> shark carcass floating in the surf.

>If you were going to kill the shark, why the hell didn't you at least 
>eat it.  Shark meat is very good.  Well, I guess we all did some things
>as kids that we would just as soon forget now that we have thought about
>them for a few years.

Your right. I guess it was just a macho thing to do back in high school.
If I happen to catch a shark now, I release it.

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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: weather and fishing
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:32:40 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <NARTEN.92Sep6090936@percival.albany.edu> narten@cs.albany.edu (Thomas Narten) writes:
>Can someone summarize the conventional wisdom regarding best weather
>for fishing?  Specifically, I have read reports (usually lacking in
>either detail or concrete evidence) that indicate that fishing for
>bass and walleye picks up as a front starts to move through an area
>and the barometric pressure falls.

Funny, I read a book claiming the opposite, that fish quit feeding
on a falling barometer.

I guess books are a lot like the net: lots of conflicting opinions.


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-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: marke@cadence.com (Mark Evangelisto; x6269)
Subject: Fishing in Acadia NP, Maine
Organization: Cadence Design Systems/ACAE Div, Lowell MA
Distribution: rec.outdoors.fishing
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 06:48:25 GMT

My wife and I are going on vacation next week to Acadia National Park
in Maine.  Any tips on good local fishing spots would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Mark

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From: stripes@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Cshell fishing script.
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:27:05 GMT
Reply-To: stripes@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
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Fellow anglers,

 I wrote a nice little Cshell script that allows you to keep electronic
notes and pointers on fishing. I'll enter notes out of magazines or get 
notes off the net from you folks and refer back to them when I need to do
some research before a fishing trip. If anyone would like to get a copy I'll
mail it to you. I also have a cshell diary that I'll update every time I
go out. Bellow is the main menu for the fish.note program.


-Greg

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                              O.
             EAT - SLEEP - FISH                 o  _///_ //
                                                 <,)=  _<<
                                                    \\\  \\
 1) Enter Bass notes

 2) Enter Trout notes

 3) Enter Catfish notes

 4) Enter Other-Fish notes

 5) Enter Trolling notes

 6) Enter Lure notes

 7) Enter Bait notes

 8) Enter Location notes

 9) Enter Weather notes

10) Enter Recipe notes

11) Enter Hardware notes

12) READ notes

13) Edit data file

14) EXIT

Enter the number of your choice =>

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A typical entery looks like this:

6:  First post
      14:  Crawfish as bass bait...
      37:  Smallmouth Techniques... (fish Sniffer)
      61:  Beginning bass
      85:  Bass eyes..
      97:  Jerk baits...
     107:  Striper fishing deep.
     126:  Bluffs for Summer Bass (bassmaster)
     157:  Channels
     166:  Seasonal Pattererns (small and large mouths)
     188:  Water levels
     198:  deeper or shallow
     209:  Bass tips

Enter subject line number: 166

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Subject: Seasonal Pattererns (small and large mouths)

                    Mon Aug  3 14:20:30 PDT 1992

* In spring, bass move into shallow coves and onto flats and points to spawn.
* In summer, they move to deeper points and channels or structure.
* In fall, they move shallow again, usally into the creeks.
* In winter, they migrate back to deep water channels.
...
 On major lakes, the spawning season may be a full three weeks earlier on the 
upper end than on the lower end. 
...
Find a large flat near the mouth of a creek, or a flat on the protected
northeast side of the lake, places were I know bass will spawn in spring.
Then I move in or out from there. Bass usually migrate out to the nearest
major creek in the summer, back up the creek in the fall and then back
out to where the creek meets a major river channel in the winter. They'll
usually be within a mile of the spawning area at any given time of the
year.
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From: smmyers@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Subject: Laser guided smart-lures
Reply-To: smmyers@PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:31:35 GMT
Keywords: Laser, Lure, Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis


     I was watching some saturday morning fishing show a couple of months back
(it was more like a paid advertisement) and they were pushing these lures that
move when you pull a string.  Like those wind up frogs that you put in the tub
for your kids.  They had a shad and a frog I believe.

     Now is it just me, or does this seem like just a little too much ??  I
don't know if I'm just too traditional or what, but these lures struck me as
*really weird*!!!  Possibly unethical ???

     I have to say one thing for them though, they *were* catching fish.



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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: Re: Casting Monofilament
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:46:44 GMT

kevin@turbo.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod) writes:

>Dupont 7/20
>----------
>This is a specialty line.  It is absolutely the finest line that I
>have ever used for spinnerbait or buzzbait fishing in water that 
>has a little color.  It is also good for heavy pitching or flipping.
>I don't recommend it for use in wind or for other general use.  One
>spool of the stuff will last for several years because you only have
>to put 50 to 75 feet of the stuff on the reel.  see below.

	This is the first time I have ever heard a good comment about this
	stuff.  In previous posts there was a flood of complaints.  It
	is very difficult to get knots to hold, negatively affects lure
	action, likes to birdnest after a little use, tends to bind
	on the reel, etc.  I used it about three times and threw it
	away.  There seems to be a good reason that no other mfg. that
	I know of makes the stuff.

>General Tip
>-----------
>Unless you are fishing for bonefish or other spectacular species
>that can make your drag sing I think you can save some money by
>buying a 1/4 pound spool of cheap 15 lb. test line and use it as
>a backing on all your reels.  Tie the good stuff on to the backing.
>Usually, all you need is 50 to 150 feet depending on the fishing
>situation.  Now you can afford to do the most important thing --
>change your line often.  And while you are fishing, check your
>line and re-tie often.

	I thought everybody did this.  Remember to put on enough line
	to allow for cutting off worn line and allowing for longest
	expected cast with enough good line left on the reel to fully
	cover the knot (weak link) and playing the fish without getting
 	into the backing.
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: jfc@salmon.sea.macsch.com (Jack Castro)
Subject: weather and fishing
Originator: jfc@salmon.sea.macsch.com
Organization: The MacNeal-Schwendler Corp. (MSC) Seattle Technical Office
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:20:53 GMT


I do mostly trout fishing and I have rarely had good fishing when the pressure
is high and steady. The only exceptions have been when it is windy, which
usually means that the pressure is rising or falling rapidly. 

I have found surface conditions and water temperature to be a much better
gauge for trout fishing. In lakes, for example, if the surface is smooth
as glass, and there is no insect hatch, then the fishing seems to be slow.
If the wind picks up enough to disturb the surface with ripples or small waves,
then fishing usually improves, even if I am fishing
nymphs or streamers along the bottom. In other words, surface conditions
seem to affect trout feeding on the bottom as well as the surface. I almost
always flyfish, so the bottom for me is usually less than 20 feet deep.

Now, let me open a new can of worms. Maybe this was discussed previously,
but I have only been accessing Usenet for a couple of weeks, so please
excuse me if this is an old topic.

I received a Fishing Calendar from Hallmark as a present this past Christmas.
It indicates on a day by day basis whether fishing is expected to be BEST,
GOOD, FAIR or POOR.  The phases of the moon are also shown on this calendar.
For all I can tell, there seems to be little correspondence between the
BEST fishing and any particular phase of the moon. So my question is what
are these fishing predictions based on?

So far this season, I have found no correspondence between the calendars
predictions and my success or lack there of.

Does anyone else have one of these calendars? Have the predictions worked for
you? How about the Solunar Tables that are printed in some magazines? I have
never found these to be a good predictor either. 

I guess that when you combine Sun/clouds with pressure and temperature, along
with the local conditions on a lake/river, such as insect hatches or polywog
migrations, there are entirely too many variables for any accurate
predictions. 

Changing the subject once again, I am personally not very fond of the
Hallmark fishing calendar. It contains too many pictures of people fishing,
and not enough pictures of actual fish in the hands or on the line. I recall
seeing other calendars with many for "fish pictures". I don't recall the
publisher, but I hope I get one of these this Christmas. I seem to get at
least one fishing calendar every christmas from friends who think I was a fish
in a past life, because of my fishing obsession.

-- 
 
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(All opinions expressed are my own and not my employers.)
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: weather and fishing
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:42:40 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <Sep14.151124.70163@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>In article <530005@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mike@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike McNelly) writes:
 
>When a fish hit a
>wooly bugger on the surface, I switched to a large dry attractor
>(a black humpy).

Black humpy?  Is that one of your own concoctions?  I don't think I've ever
seen a black humpy?  Have you got a pattern for it?

> It was the strangest sensation, fishing dries in the rain, but it worked.
 
When I think about it, it doesn't seem that strange.  Depending on the
surrounding vegetation, I would think that rain would wash a lot of
terrestrials into the water, and it many cases these would normally be
in the surface film.  For example, grasshopper or cricket after being washed
from a nearby tree.  A surface fly would seem to be quite productive.

>On the subject of weather vis a vis fishing, has anyone noticed that high
>lake cutthroat tend to go on a surface feed immediately BEFORE a wind comes
>up.  It's as if they can sense the opportunity is about to vanish.  I notice
>(imagine?) this all the time.

Unfortunately we don't have many cutthroat lakes out here so I haven't had
the pleasure of experiencing this first hand.  I have, however, spent many
an afternoon waiting out a high sierra afternoon thunderstorm in my tent, and
then as soon as it quit looked out onto a high sierra lake and watched it 
erupt with brook trout dimpling its surface over the entire lake 

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| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: Re: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:05:29 GMT

David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield) writes:

>This thread (no pun intended) has got me wondering what materials were
>used for fishing line and fly line before the synthetics came into use?
	
	Before monofiliment, braided nylon.  Before nylon, braided
	cotton for casting line.  Would you believe having to strip
	the line from the reel and dry it out after every trip?
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: Laser guided smart-lures
Keywords: Laser, Lure, Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:21:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.191251.1737@pixel.kodak.com>, fbrown@ssd.kodak.com (Frank Brown) writes:
|> >Once again, don't they always :^)
|> >
|> I know how to get em now. Wrong! You have to jerk the lure about 3
|> feet to make the legs move.
|> 

Come to think of it, good ol' Cajun Phil and his pal really use 
some stiff tackle to fish that pow'r packed shad/frog.  I guess 
you need a pool-cue with an Ambassador winch and some stiff 
cable to be able to pop the lure hard enough to get it to twitch.

Has anyone ever held onto the end of 20ft of line while another 
person tries a HARD hook set?  I've tried it with an ocean city 
stand-up boat rod, a 6500-C, and 20# test Ande line.  The amount 
of force that gets to the fish is pitiful.  I can see how  
it would be difficult to pull the string on a pow'r pack thing. 
It is amazing to me that it is possible to hook a bass on 
a plastic worm.  I guess I'd have to hold a texas-rigged worm 
in my loosly clenched hand while my buddy performs the hook-set 
to understand the dynamics of how  this tiny bit of force can 
hook a bass though a plastic bait.

			-Pat.
From: jbcst+@pitt.edu (John B Coxey)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Fishing Report:  West Virginia
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:38:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <60205@mimsy.umd.edu> jerryw@cs.umd.edu (Jerry Wieber) writes:
>Spent a rather soggy Memorial Day weekend fishing the Seneca Rocks area
>of West Virginia.  Nearly 100% of West Virginia is catch and keep, and
>the locals apparently put a lot of pressure on the streams with their
>bait fishing and spinning gear (for trout!).
>
>My fishing partner and I worked the Gandy River, Seneca Creek, and the
>North Fork of the South Potomac River.  The Potomac *is* C&R by Seneca
>Rocks (WV calls it "Fish for Fun") and has some huge trout as a result,
>from past experience.  The other streams had little visible fish life.
>
>We worked various terrestrials and mayflys, with little effect.  The
>fish were in the water, but appeared to be bottom feeding, ignoring the
>tempting insect treats proffered on the surface.  Typical late summer
>conditions?
>

Jerry:

   I had the same problems with terrestrials on Spring Creek - PA.
on Thurs-Fri before labor Day weekend.  I tried black and red ants
fished wet with strike indicators, but no luck.   Even went down
to where bridge crosses stream and threw in some live grasshoppers.  The
trout would rise but not take them.  Around 4pm we had one hell of a
termite hatch.  They looked like large carpenter ants only cinamon
collored with wings.  Whenever they hit the water the trout would
surface and gobble them up.  Musta been 95 outside and sunny.

   That evening(Friday) after the hatch, I just used some cranefly
nymphs (rabbit fur wrapped around size 12 hook - very shaggy) and
proceeded to C/R around 20 10-12inch rainbows.  Only had one brown
(13incher) that evening. (6-8pm).  Dunno why nymphs worked but
ants did not.  Even tried fishing the cinamon ants dry, during the
hatch, but no takers.

   Next time, try some of these cranefly nymphs.

Latre

john coxey


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