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From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Subject: Re: Deathlok (Re: Recent stuff)
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Me, Myself, and I
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:56:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.221743.6217@cc.umontreal.ca> royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes:
>In article <C0Gz75.EE9@news.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  ) writes:
>>Marvel Implusion will take care of the drek, along with some of these
>>other Marvel titles:
>>
>>Most of the new titles introduced in the last 3 years, specifically
>>Cage, Nomad, Silver Sable, Sleepwalker, SHIELD, Terror Inc., etc.
>>Some of the Spidey titles, especially one of the reprint titles
>
>Speaking of recent stuff, would Deathlok fit in this category?
>
>I think it is one of the most well done Marvel comics. Check it out! It is 
>intelligent (in a relative way to speak) and complex. Of course, it is still
>Marvel, but it is worth being checked out, believe me.
>
>Daniel Roy

True, Deathlok has the potential to become one of the more intelligent books
put out by Marvel. Unfortunately, I'm not that big a fan of Greg Wright's
writing. While I enjoy the McDuffie issues (which have interesting plots), 
Wright's issues lack good stories. For example, look at the recent Cyberwar
storyline: all muscle and action, little or no story. I also think that they
should get a better artist for this series. For some reason, everything that
Denys Cowan drew after issue #7 looked horrid (I used to like Cowan's work).
I don't think that McDaniel is much of an improvement (hey, at least it _is_
an improvement!). Hopefully Marvel will get rid of Wright and find a good 
artist for this series.

---
Eric Jaron Stieglitz aka ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
"With great power comes great responsibility"
We have been given the power of free speech.
Let's make sure that we use it wisely...
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 8 Jan 1993 17:01:29 EST
From: MIR <IO71245@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Deathlok (Re: Recent stuff)
 <1993Jan7.221743.6217@cc.umontreal.ca> <C0JJ86.CpI@news.ucs.mun.ca>

Speaking of Deathlok has anyone taken a look at the Digitek
minni series..I found it well done and diffrently stylisticly
from most of what I have seen recently. Anyone else?
                              Matt
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From: danl@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Neurotic Bob)
Subject: Nomad #whatever
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:24:52 GMT

I just read the latest issue of Nomad, and I must say...
Wow.
THIS is Marvel?
Someone must have distracted DeFalco to get this one published.
If you liked the Foolkiller limited sereis, you might just like this.

Nomad continues to be, IMO, possibly the best all-around title put out by  
Marvel.  It has good concept of its character, good plotting, and usually  
good art.

And, even when it is forced to participate in a cross-over, Nomad still  
maintains its identity separate from all the hodge podge.  I did not read  
any of the Punisher or Daredevil issues in the Dead Man's Hand crossover,  
and did not read the Infinity Gauntlet, but the issues of Nomad which  
crossed over with these storylines were good reads in and of themselves.

I love this title.  It is, right now, the title I look forward to most  
from Marvel.  (I only collect the Nicieza and David titles, plus Lobdell's  
X-men and Davis' Excalibur)

Nomad is a man who grew up in the fifties and woke up in the nineties.  He  
wanders America and tries to come to grips with it as it is forty years  
older than he knew it.  He has shied away from guns loaded to kill, due to  
a personal experience in the limited series.  And all of this is delivered  
in a way incongruently subtle when compared to typical Marvel fare.

The stories give us a particularly frank and unflinching view of a seemier  
side of life in America, without the usual bombast of "see, we're being  
gritty, isn't this cool."

I heartedly recommend that people out there give this series a try, pick  
up the latest issue.  You might not regret it.

		--Dan'L
From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: CV Extra:  Superman to resume in 2 weeks
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:41:35 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan - ITD Consulting and Support
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James Drew (jrd@frame.com) wrote:

: (Reference to "Yes.  It's a laser capable of emitting a beam of pure
: anti-matter."  >Then it's not a laser!<)

Shouldn't that be
>What about Uncle Matter!?<

--
Ken Small           kens@umich.edu
"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: Best Death? (*Possible Spoilers*) 
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:24:48 GMT

Be warned, there may be spoilers in here for a certain recently released
independent comic book where the characters death is an important part
of the story. I'm not going to be flamed for giving things away.

    





















Presumably, this is far enough. God only knows if that Spoiler key
worked. Anyway, the best death I have seen recently was Marv in "Sin
City". He knew that if he continued his course of action, he was dead
and that if things went the wrong way, it would be a long death. But he
did it anyway.

Not only that, but he also had one of the best last lines you are ever
going to hear from a character. "That the best you can do? Panzies!
Still cracks me up. Geez, that Marv was tough. Going to miss the guy.
But at least he went out in style.

_craig

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From: kehandle@unix.amherst.edu (KEITH EDWARD HANDLEY)
Subject: Re: Addresses
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:40:48 GMT

Elizabeth Holden (panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca) wrote:
: Could someone send me the address of Bud Plant so I can order a 
: catalogue?  Also Kitchen Sink?  Please?

Kitchen Sink Press
2 Swamp Road
Princeton, WI 54968  USA

I don't know Plant's address, but yes, you do want that catalogue.

Normally I would send this direct, but I want everyone out there to
get a catalog from Kitchen Sink and buy lots of thier stuff.  I
get nothing money-wise from KS, I just want them healthy for a long
time so they will continue publishing great stuff.

Keith Handley  kehandley@amherst.edu
From: andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hepcats - a clarrifation
Date: 8 Jan 93 05:35:58 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>What I meant when I asked who knew Martin Wagner obviously
>needs to be explained from the mail I've recieved. Who is
>the person who often gives information about Hepcats and
>Double Diamond? This person recently said that Martin wants
>people to subscribe directly to Hepcats and to order
>original art. Hope this clears it all up.

That still sounds like it could either be Matthew High or me, but I'll go
ahead and respond.

Martin has said (most recently in ish 10) that he can't print things
(such as Collegiate [*]) until he gets enough money to pay the printer;
this money only comes from pre-orders and orders for art and other items.
In other words, he's living hand-to-mouth right now and every little bit
would help.  Jed, if that doesn't clear things up, feel free to email me.

[*] Speaking of Collegiate...I happened to call MW again tonight (my
Eyebeam 5 didn't show up) and we talked about the books.  He really would
like people to go ahead and order the hardback if they can afford it; he
said it would really help.  The book is at the printer and waiting for
the last dribble of money to come in so he can pay off his outstanding
print bill -- once that's done, the presses will roll.  He also wanted me
to thank the folks who have been waiting patiently (for up to six months)
and urges people who have been wavering ("I'll wait till it comes out and
then decide") to take a chance for their sakes.  Personally, I saw how
Gunther survives, and all the other strips from that year, and I think
they're well worth saving.  But that's just me.

A personal note: Martin really is sincere in wanting to get all this
stuff out ASAP, and he would if he had the money.  I don't want to sound
like a PR flack, just a satisfied customer.

Matthew, you have anything to add?

--
--Andrew Hackard                                 If I spoke for UT, this post
  andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                        would make even less sense.
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From: sweide@uceng.uc.edu (Steven Weide)
Subject: Re: Why Vertigo? Was: Marvel copies DC... again
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:15:03 GMT

In article <C0GAtq.5pH@world.std.com> Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay) writes:
>Chagnon_A@msm.cdx.mot.com (Andrew Chagnon) writes:
>
>>Given the discussion that last month Sandman was ranked #75 in sales and
>>Hellblazer wasn't in the top 100, why is DC creating the Vertigo line?
>
>>There doesn't seem to be a sound business reason to do it from my viewpoint.
>>Are there a large number of 'mature audience' readers out there that DC is
>>tapping into, or are they hoping to create a new market of Vertigo readers?
>
>>Judging from the sales stats, it seems that market does not exist, and DC is
>>hoping to create one. 
>
>>Any thoughts?
>
>A few.  Firstly, "not as big a market as Superman" is not the same as "no
>market".  I suspect that these books *are* showing profits.
>
>Secondly, they may be trying to get more reader cross-pollination.  If a
>non-comics reader who's discovered Sandman then picks up a copy of another
>random DC comic, say JLA, they probably won't get much out of it.  On the
>other hand, if they pick up a random Vertigo comic, the chances of a
>successful match of tastes and content are signifigantly higher.  *Because*
>the audience is much smaller than that for superhero books, it is often
>difficult for someone who has discovered one "different" title to discover any
>others.  Vertigo is an attempt to make them easier to identify.
>
There is a very good possibility that people will pick up the other titles, 
that's how I got hooked.  One copy of Sandman and now I'm up to  Sandman, 
Shade, Hellblazer, soon Death, and almost anything else Vertigo puts out.

Also, Vertigo titles may not have the most readers, but the ones they do have 
are very devoted.  Look around at all the Sandman posts to see just how 
devoted we are.

Steve
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From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Re: Futuristic Pseudocussing
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:41:05 GMT

In article <DAN.93Jan8152254@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu> dan@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes:
>"Shock" being from "Future Shock" strikes me as a bit strange.  Where
>do people get the idea that in the future, people will be so
>self-aware about it?  I mean, that's like those old episodes of
>Starblazers and their references to "Space Java" or old cartoons that
>featured martian children  going to "Martian School" (I never once
>attended a school labelled "human school" or drank coffee labelled
>"contemporary coffee").  Did people in the dark ages stand around
>saying "My god, the dark ages are awful"?  No.

	Actually, during the dark ages (or at least large parts of the
Middle Ages) they did, to some extent.  There was a firm conviction
that human life had declined from the glories of Rome and that at best
people would be able to construct only pale shadows of the
accomplishments of their forefathers.  Medieval Europe was a culture
in which there really was a consciousness of decline from a higher
worldly state (as opposed to the common idea of a decline from a
supernatural golden age or Edenic period).  However, your point is
basically true.  Anyone recall the old sf stories in which the
characters would coincidentally draw a comparison between their own
time and the time the story was written?  Something along the lines of
"Imagine if we'd lived back in 1955!  Why, they hadn't even conquered
the common cold!"  Still, coming up with reasonable sounding
expletives for another society is difficult.  Some things will
probably remain constant, but new ways of cursing do come up
occasionally (e.g. the religious changes which made "damn", "hell" and
its cousins useful ways of expressing frustration, and probably made
certain other sorts of exclamations obsolete).  Still, it's probably
wisest to stick with the standbys and the usual minced forms of them
unless one has a truly inspired idea-- it's not as if the characters
are really speaking 20th Century English anyway.  If we translate the
rest of the language, why not the expletives?


Mike
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Indeed I tremble for my country
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 when I reflect that God is just."
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
mschiffer@aal.itd.umich.edu	    Virginia (1784)
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
Subject: Inuit Pies (Was: Native American Heroes)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:46:10 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>	Eskimo's (UNsure?) p.s. are Innuits Eskimos?

Anaq! Being a native North Dakotan brings me a natural sympathy for the
northern tribes, who survived for centuries up here with no electricity,
airplanes, or even the capability of burning for heat all of Lance Smith's
extra copies of X-Men #1 he keeps hidden under his mattress.

In any case, the word Eskimo means something rather like "Cannibal," I
believe, and most of them (the Inuit, at least) would prefer being called
something else, most likely.

"'Fess up! You watch truck derbies, admit it!" --Richard Darwin

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
dhenry@plains.nodak.edu * ud137927@ndsuvm1.bitnet * ud137927@vm1.nodak.edu
From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Harbinger?: Is Peter aka. Sting gay???
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:32:34 GMT
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Me, Myself, and I

In article <93010.013321U38134@uicvm.uic.edu> Noel B. Lorenzana <U38134@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>I just read Harbinger #8 and realized Sting's true feelings are
>of a homosexual nature. In the wormhole he was saddened by his
>inner thoughts and admitted to being in love with Torque. So I
>figure ol' boy peter is a pumpkin eater(bi-sexual). Anyone know
>more about this? Thanks,
>
>Noel.

You refer to issue #9 and not #8.

Eric Jaron Stieglitz aka ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
"With great power comes great responsibility"
We have been given the power of free speech.
Let's make sure that we use it wisely... 
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Cerebus #165
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:25:02 GMT

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>Cerebus #165 is certainly a dense issue.  Lots of things are happening
>and, as usual, we come away with more new questions than new answers. 

>which somehow hit?  And is Snuff's mind a blank because Elrod is also a
>wizard who knows what he's doing, or is it a blank because he's as empty-
>headed as he sometimes seems?  (Of course, there could be Other Forces at

It could be just because they mistakenly think he is a woman...

The "analysis" sections where the Cirinists "explain" everything
that's happened are great...

And of course, General Dworkin and Greer...  a good counterpoint to Maggie.
-- 
"You idiot!  You moron!  You fool!  You jerk!"
"Wait!  I am not some of these!" -- Groo the Wanderer
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: (WS) Does anyone read Japanese comics?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:41:48 GMT

tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald) writes:
>I was just wondering... is there anyone who actually reads the
>translated Japanese comics, by Viz, Dark Horse, etc.?  I don't
>mean readers who are anime or manga fans, but comics fans,
>whose experience of Japanese comics is minimal.

I read Ranma and Lum, that's about it.  
-- 
If one morning I walked on top of the water across the Potomac River, the
headline that afternoon would read: PRESIDENT CAN'T SWIM -- Lyndon B. Johnson
From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Question about LSH #40
Date: 4 Jan 1993 19:08:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Okay, they made Squire Burroughs up and I know why too.
Tom Bierbaum hates Wildfire. I love Wildfire. Dan Raspler
told told me what happened to Wildfire.  Dan Jurgens loves
Wildfire which is why he was in the Superman issue. But
DC picks the guy who hates *MY* favorite character
to write LSH (badly).  I talked to Tom Bierbaum at some\
length at the Chicagocon. (Actually, I caught Mary and
him away from a table. When said "My name is Greg Morrow
I thought they were going to call security.)  Anyway
Tom hates Wildfire with a *passion*.  He hates the Eartwar
storyline, which is tied with the first Computo series
as my favortie LSH story. But he seems a nice guy. (And
you know he must be to keep his job, just kidding.)
Anyway, I think this is Tom's chance to turn Wildfire
into a villain.

(No, I didn't really introduce myself as Greg Morrow.)

Feel Free Vern
-- 
"What's wrong with him?" "What do you mean?" "Well, he's standing
in front of a mirror, talking and smirking to himself.  That's
one of the first symptoms of megalomania." - The Doctor
"Ipsa scientia potestas est." - Roger Bacon
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From: Judith_Beeman@mindlink.bc.ca (Judith Beeman)
Subject: COMIX BENEFIT/GIG!
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:08:43 GMT


On SATURDAY, JAN, 23 at the SMASH Gallery of Modern Art in VANCOUVER, BC
I'm putting on a benefit fundraiser for the MILT GROSS fund. This fund gives
money to cartoonists in need, and is an arm of the National Cartoonists
Society.

There will be local comic artists, comic shops and two great bands "cub" and
"Potato Head". Admission is a measly two bucks. It's going to be loads of fun
and all for a good cause.

So...Seattle readers, think about coming up for the weekend. The Xchange rate
will make it more than worth your while. Same for you, Portland.

Anybody wishing more info pls email me. Thanks, Judith.
The event is sponsored by "subtext" the book review column I write for
Discorder, that magazine from CiTR the Univ of BC radio station.
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From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Subject: DC: Vertigo Preview
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:51:10 GMT

Laura Perkinson says:
>	Someone PLEASE tell me that the guy who did the art in the Sandman
>story won't be drawing the comic ever ever again! Lord that was wretched
>looking stuff.

I wholeheartedly disagree.  Kent Williams is my favorite artist so far.
I wish they would have used his depiction from the very start and get
rid of that cartoony fright wig Dream's been wearing (yes, I know Neil
draws Morpheus this way too).  I'm really tired of having the art ruin
the story for me.

What else has Kent Williams done?

	-dp-

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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: SUPERMAN RETURNS AS FOURSOME CONFIRMED BY DC ON ET
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:08:53 GMT

>On Entertainment tonight we got to see some of the new art for Superman's 
>"Return" from the dead.  It goes like this.
>     Pa Kent dies, and meets Kal at the Gates Of Whatever.  The two draw on 
>each other's strength and love for each other and return to the land of the 
>living.  But there must be a difficulty in Kal's return because:
>     Four people (Teenager, Steel Worker, Warrior and Alien Cyborg) with 
>Superman-level powers surface, each claiming to be Supes.
>     Apparently Superman does not reinhabit his own body on returning (or maybe
>fails to return) but instead one or all of these bodies.  Eventually it will be
>resolved which, if any, are the real Supes.
>     They showed outline drawings of the four Supermans, as well as scenes from
>(presumably) FFAF/8 in "Heavenorwherever".  Ye Editor Carlin was the one who 
>outlined this all in an interview.

The things I miss when I actually go and do some work. So instead of the
the outright clone theory, we have a watered down clone thing. It could
be worse, I supose. Nothing readily springs to mind, but it could be
worse.

And hey, Dave  why were you watching ET? I would have thought you had
more taste then that. Next thing you know, you'll admit to watching
Geraldo or something.  

_craig
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From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SUPERMAN: No new life in sight.
Date: 4 Jan 1993 12:54:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
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In a previous article, mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen) says:

>I was in the comics shop on Friday and learned that all Superman
>titles are being suspended until the summer.  I had asked if they knew
>anything about the story for AOS #500 and was told it's not coming out
>until mid-summer.  The yellow next issue blurb box in #499 said no
>info was available about #500.

Actually, I just read over on GEnie that Adventures of Superman #500
will ship in April, with the other books all coming out the following
week...

-- 
===============Joel Tscherne:  ac985@cleveland.freenet.edu===============
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Bill & Ted's Excellent Comic (was Da Big Slurp)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 06:09:57 GMT
Organization: Usenet Power Elite: Crush-The-Innocent-Newbies Strike Team
Distribution: na

maguire@zappa.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire) writes:

> I can't comment on whether or not he got the Santos references right,  
> since I don't have any idea who or what Santos is.  Help!

It's not "Santos", it's *Santo*.  The silver-masked One True God of Mexican 
Wrestling.  I'm not sure I'd trust Dan's assertion that Dorkin gets "gets 
all his Santos [sic] references wrong", since Dan doesn't even know how the 
guy spelled his name . . .

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)