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From: jmd9888@zeus.tamu.edu (DURHAM, JAMES MICHAEL)
Subject: Re: Giving Blood! "Gimme that thing, I'll do it myself"
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Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:01:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct08.013914.94217@watson.ibm.com>, yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes...
>By "expert", I mean the person in a hospital that spends practically
>the entire day going from room to room drawing blood.  You know,
>the "walking vampire".  You probably cannot get more practice
>than this.  
> 

If I am not mistaken I think this person is called a phlabotomist (sp?)


> 
>-- 
>Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  
>From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state
From: amigan@cup.portal.com (R Michael Medwid)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Cervical Caps (birth-control)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:31:20 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
  <1992Oct12.015316.0233348@locus.com>

From a male partner perspective they're great.  They don't interfere w/ the
love making process like the clumsy diaphragm.  So far it's been 100% 
effective (sample=1!).
From: ifaq570@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Allen Kitchen)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:20:19 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin


	For what it matters in this thread, I was ADD as a child (and I 
still tend to be hyper).  I lived on one side of the globe to the other, 
being in a military family and all.  I was never in one place long enough
to be allergic to the area.  Also I ate many different things, some that 
would make me puke if I ate them today.  My condition never changed in all
that time, so it is safe to say that diet and environment were not the
causes.
	Now, if I had been forced to eat only certain foods instead of
taking Ritalin, I would not have graduated from High School.  Forget about
working toward an Engineering degree like I am now.  
	Someone who is not an M.D. or holding similar credentials should
not make blanket statements like "there is no such thing as ADD it is all
allergic reaction".  I have no doubt that some children are being given
Ritalin who are perfectly normal.  Sad, but life sucks.  Good thing my
doctor recognized what I had, and got me the correct medicine, or I would
probably be totally scatterbrained today.

	All in my diet, indeed...

Allen Kitchen
ifaq570@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu


Newsgroups: sci.med
From: K.M.Mill@psychiatry.utas.edu.au (Kathryn Mill)
Subject: world
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:25:42 GMT

I am conducting a Ph.D on the psychological implications of Turner's syndrome, throug
through the Royal Hobart Hospital Department of Psychiatry Clinical School, in 
conjunction with the University of Tasmania, Hobart, Australia.  I am 
wondering whether anyone has an interest in this area, or information.  
Somebody to share ideas with.  Would love to hear from anyone with an interest
in Turner's syndrome.  Thanks.
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Giving Blood! "Gimme that thing, I'll do it myself"
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:22:16 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <1992Oct8.212844.7439@iscsvax.uni.edu>, klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> I have crummy little, deep veins that work well when they're hit (they
> don't roll or collapse) but they can be hard to find.  Now, I just tell
> the nurse or tech that the left arm is an easier stick than the right,
> and the veins are small and deep.  Some will immediately go find someone
> with more experience, others will say, "Thanks" and hit it the first time.

I have the good fortune to have an anticubital vein on the right
that is about a cm. in diameter.  When I point this out to the
phlebotomist they often will ask if I mind if the student draws
me.  Even they have never missed.
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.med.nutrition
From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: Most cures work!  (was: Homeopathy)
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:31:36 GMT

In article <1asc3qINNehg@cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes:
>-*----
>In article <1992Oct5.185117.21004
>@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin) writes:
>> ... some people seem to ocassionally get positive results thru 
>> methods not yet accepted by the world's scientific community.
>
>Nonsense.
>
>If there is one thing that we do know from medical science, it is
>that virtually *any* treatment (that does not have too severe
>side effects) will yield positive results for *most* medical
>problems *much* of the time.  Homeopathy works.  Chiropracty
>works.  Burying a potato at midnight works.  Dipping a wart in
>stump water works.  Indeed, for a third of people (if I remember
>right), saline solution provides as effective pain relief from
>traumatic injury as a standard dose of morphine.  (This
>experiment was carried out during the Italian campaign by certain
>Allied units that ran short of morphine.)
 
I believe that there are members of the world's scientific community in both
this newsgroup & sci.med who don't go along with this thinking.  I was merely
referring to certain nutritional "speculation" that is some distance away
from "scientific acceptance".  I don't know about burying potatoes at midnight
as I also don't know if eliminating potatoes, & other members of the nightshade
family, is helpful with some forms of arthritis.

>Pace Jamie Lubin, that all these things work is well "accepted by
>the world's scientific community."  I have yet to run across a
>physician who claims that these things do not work.  Indeed, I
>have heard several physicians suggest that (1) most problems for
>which people go to a doctor could be just as well treated by
>stump water (or homeopathy) for that matter, and (2) for "normal"
>aches, diseases, and pains many people would be just as well
>served and their pocketbook less depleted if they were to wait a
>few days before seeking medical attention.  (The problem, of
>course, is that lay folks have a hard time discriminating between
>a problem that can be ignored or treated symptomatically, and a
>problem that requires immediate medical attention.)

I haven't run into too many M.D.s who are pro chiropractic, "nutrition therapy"
midnight potatoes, etc., but that never bothered me.
Sounds like you read "Medical Nemesis" by Ivan Illyich, M.D. re iatrogenesis.
The N.Y. Times Magazine review headline was "Doctors Deep Secret: Most Things
Get Better By Themselves"
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Liquid FASTING Diet
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:57:27 GMT


In article <1992Oct6.170202.1561@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
|>           
|>           
|>                               LIQUID FASTING DIET
	    [....]
|>           
|>                The purpose of such a diet is to neutralize and flush 
|>           out various toxins and waste products in the body which cause 
|>           degenerative diseases and other health problems when they 
|>           accumulate there.

Is there any evidence to support this?  Could
there be any effect on any part of the body 
other than the digestive tract?  Wouldn't
the most benefit come from a diet with a
good amount of fiber?
 
|>                The second fasting fluid, for the second week, is 
|>           basically just a gallon of lemonade.  Squeeze the juice from 
|>           two large fresh lemons into a gallon of water (use the big 
|>           jug that the apple juice came in), and add four tablespoons 
|>           of locally-made honey (NO sugar).  Dissolve the honey by 
|>           stirring it into half a glass of water before adding it to 
|>           the lemonade. 

Does your body really treat the sugar in honey 
differently than the sugar in Sugar?
        
|>                The fourth fasting fluid, for the fourth and final week 
|>           of the cycle, is a gallon of pure distilled water. 

Couldn't this be dangerous?         

|>                Pick a day of the week, usually Saturday or Sunday for 
|>           most people, when you can relax and stay close to your home 
|>           bathroom.  Start the day with sixteen ounces of prune juice 
|>           with pulp.  This will clean out your digestive system.  But 
|>           try to hold it for two hours to allow it to draw out heavy 
|>           metals and other toxins.  

Prunes "draw out" heavy metals?  Draw them out from
where?

         
|>                Eat or drink nothing else during each fast, except your 
|>           usual vitamin supplements.  Also, aspirin may be taken for 
|>           the headache and other aches and pains that will probably 
|>           result from toxins being flushed into your bloodstream on 
|>           their way out through your kidneys. 

This sounds a little scary to me.
      
|>                This four-week cycle of weekly one-day liquid fasting 
|>           diets should be repeated often, on a regular basis, for a 
|>           long and healthy life.

You just made this stuff up and now you're claiming
it will lead to a long and healthy life?

-- 
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Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Cluster Migraines
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:29:28 EDT

In article <16933@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>Sansert is the old reliable for cluster headache.  Periactin and
>verapamil also may work.

What is the latest on methysergide (Sansert) and retroperitoneal
fibrosis?  I would be curious if anyone has good figures at his/her
fingertips.  
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From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: MEDICINE SLOWER TO CATCH UP
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:40:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.194609.4806@sr.com> dks@srhqla.sr.com (Dave K. Sprow) writes:

>What brought this to my attention again is today's reports on CNN and
>the newspapers that margarine is bad for you (yes, worse than butter)
>and that is likely causes heart disease.  
>
>I find this both humorous and sad as this was another thing that was
>nutritionally suggested to me many years ago.
>
>The article in the paper (L.A. Times) goes into depth about the original
>Dutch study done on this reported in The NE Journal of Medicine in 1990.
>"The Agriculture Department has now confirmed the Dutch study."  The
>particular culprit is trans fatty acids.

Just to be fair, I don't think I've ever heard margarine being medically
recommended. Has anyone here?

>Again, my only point is to ask the ridiculous, i.e, for the medical and
>scientific communities to put more of their research dollars into
>their own research from claims from more alternative approaches of
>health care rather than just debunking everything from some superior
>self-serving attitude.  Honestly, as far as I can see, these alternative
>approaches seem to be about 20 years or so ahead of established
>medical thinking. Medicine does a lot.  It would great if they could
>be more open-minded and at least *consider* some of these things.  We
>would all be better off if they people with the most money would put
>some of those research dollars into this kind of research... with some
>commitment to thr truth, not protecting special interest.

Actually, what I'd like to see may be just about as plausible--for
people not to be taxed so that they'd have the money to put into the
kind of research they were interested in. It crosses my mind that if
what is now alternative medicine were the orthodoxy in the current
system, the results would be just about as narrow-minded. (That is,
there'd be a fair amount of useful research and development, but
potentially useful things outside the system would be ignored and
ridiculed.) 

                                Nancy Lebovitz
                                calligraphic button catalogue
                                        available by email  (170K)
                                nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu

The border between the Real and the Unreal is not fixed, but just marks
the last place where rival gangs of shamans fought each other to a 
standstill.
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Ancient Lab/Med Database Systems (pre 1980)
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:31:17 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20Lines: 20

I'm just curious:  does anyone out there have (or used to have) a(n) LDM7000
hospital or laboratory computer system?  They were marketed in the 70's as
customized turn-key systems that ran on Data General minicomputers.  First sold
by T&T Corp in McFarland, WI;  later by Technicon (same folks who make the
SMAC) from Tarrytown, NY.  About 120 of them sold in U.S., Europe & South
Africa.  Same folks marketed LBM7000, but not nearly as many were produced.

Later LDM8000 (developed at Loma Linda) was completely separate; related only
by parent company, not by design or software engineering.

Reason for curiosity:  I used to be an assembly language programmer for those
folks >15 yrs ago;  later I also staffed the 24-hr "hot line".  Just wondering
if any old customers are lurking on sci.med.  But if you're the Turkey who
beeped me at 3 a.m. to tell me that the door fell off your tape drive 2 days
earlier, don't respond to this msg.  I still hold a grudge against you.:^)


------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: FDA
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:41:29 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <KPC.92Oct5132257@zog.arc.nasa.gov> kpc@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov writes:

>and many doctors do require an office visit even for (benign) refills.
>maybe it's just a california thing.  i hope so.

Too many doctors and not enough patients can raise medical costs,
not lower them.  Here's a perfect example.

Most of my long term patients just have their pharmacist call in
a refill.  If the patient hasn't been in for a long time, then
I'll call them to remind them.  On many drugs, it's not really
safe to just have people free running on them with never any
medical supervision.  That is the reason for the 1 year limit
in some states.

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From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Zoloft used in Panic Disorder?
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 09:04:02 EDT

In article <5880@news.duke.edu> das@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>I have just been prescribed Zoloft to help control panic attacks and general
>anxiety.  A search through MEDLINE gives an abundance of information on
>clinical trials and comparisons with other drugs for depression but panic
>disorder is not mention at all in relation to the drug.
>I only have a few questions, if anybody out there can help.
>
>1)  What side effects are associated with Zoloft?

Most people taking Zoloft have zero effects, in my experience, and when
they occur they are in the mild nuisance category.  The most common
side effects of Zoloft are gastrointestinal; mild nausea, loose
bowells.  May also cause headache, dry mouth.  Anorgasmia (difficulty
reaching orgasm) and decreased libido can also be associated with the
drug.  Very rarely, Zoloft can cause increased nervousness or
insomnia.

>2)  If you have taken Zoloft for Panic Attacks, does it work?

Published reports and substantial clinical experience support the use
of Prozac (an antidepressant with a mode of action similar to Zoloft)
in Panic Disorder (PD).  I am unaware of published studies of Zoloft in
PD, but I expect it would work.

>3)  Is Zoloft safer than or more effective than Klonopin?  (i.e.  why is my
>    doctor so insistent upon changing drugs?)

Ask you doctor why s/he is insistent on changing drugs.  Klonopin is
a benzodiazepine tranquilizer/anticonvulsant, a cousin of Xanax, Valium,
Ativan, and others.  Klonopin is known to be effective in blocking
panic attacks.   In one published report, 50% of patients taking Klonopin
for PD became depressed (this has not been my experience prescribing
the drug).  Zolfot would be expected to be helpful for PD, but is 
a completely different kind of medication than Klonopin.

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From: cease@carina.unm.edu (Cecilia De Blasi)
Subject: Re: What body temp for cardiac surgery?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:09:38 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: usa

In article <BvrzH5.I3M@news.fai.com> luisg@hadar.fai.com (Luis Galleguillos) writes:
>
>In article <17715@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, fzjaffe@othello.ucdavis.edu (Rory Jaffe) writes:
>|> In article <kendall.74@sceng.ub.com> kendall@sceng.ub.com (Greg Kendall) writes:
>|> >What temperature is the body lowered to for cardiac surgery?
>|> >
>|> Well, it all depends.  Some procedures are done "warm" (e.g. body temp,
>|> ~37 C.).  Many are done with slight hypothermia (30-32 C.) or moderate
>|> hypothermia (25-30 C.).  A few (mostly circulatory arrrest cases in very
>|> small children) are done with profound hypothermia (< 20 C.)
>|> 
>|> Various considerations go in to choosing a temperature, including the
>|> planned duration, need for cerebral preservation (e.g. circulatory
>|> arrest), difficulty of myocardial preservation (easier at lower temps),
>|> etc.
>|> 
>|> >How close is that to lowest survivable temperature?
>|> 
>|> The heart fibrillates at about 28 C. or so (I forget the exact figure).
>|> For heart surgery, the circulation is maintained by the bypass pump
>|> anyway, so this isn't a problem during surgery (with rare exceptions).
>
>Considering that it is now 28 C. here in San Jose and I am perspiring,
>this figure is certainly incorrect. The normal body temperature is 
>around 28.7 I think. I am assuming that by C we mean Celsius orCentigrades.
>Are all the remaining figures correct ? The freezing point
>of water is 0 C. 18 C is pleasant ambient temperature and 28 C is hot.
>One can withstand tempreature of up tp 50 C for brief periods.
>
>
>Luis
>

Body temperature = 98.6F = 37C.   So... core temperature at
anything less than 37C is hypothermia (at varying degrees, of
course.)

- Cecilia De Blasi



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From: mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Info about Lyme disease requested
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:00:49 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
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So far, the best up-to-date general Lyme info can be found in an article in
the Sept 1992 (vol 60) issue of MODERN MEDICINE:

  Paparone, P., "There is no standard approach of Lyme Disease: Your
  management must be individualized," Modern Medicine, Sept '92, pp 95-111.

Author: Dr. P. Paparone, Director of Infectious Diseases at the Atlantic City
        Medical Center in NJ

Here is a direct quote: "The end points of therapy can be defined as
asymptomatic or nearly asymptomatic periods of 2 to 4 weeks."

This guy knows what he's talking about.

-Marc.
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From: thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Bernie Siegel & Cancer
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 11:24:59 EDT
Organization: MultiVac23, Newark, DE, U.S.A.

murphyg@Software.Mitel.COM (Gary Murphy) writes:
> I think the subject line says it all.  Is anyone familiar with Dr.
> Siegel's works and what is the consensus on his approach to cancer
> treatment &c.  Should I be concerned if a friend abandons cancer
> treatment to embrace his approach and just what is his approach?

Bernie believes in a holistic approach to the cure of diseases.
Some of the non-physical approaches include imaging (seeing yourself
as well, imagining your little white cells killing cancer cells),
and a positive outlook on life.  Unless his views have changed, I
don't think that he advocates abandoning traditional medical
treatment, but feels that there is more than just the radiation
and drugs to help fight cancer.

I'd be concerned if your friend abandons cancer treatment altogether.
                         - tom
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Subject: What causes swollen lymph nodes?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 13 Oct 1992 10:29 EDT  


What causes the lymph nodes in the neck and other 
places to swell?

Thanks

Eric
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: rfrazier%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Robert Frazier)
Subject: Cluster Migraines
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:22:48 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept


	I have an aunt who has cluster migraines.  Anyone who has experience
with these knows, that they can be completely dehabilitating.  I am looking
for some information to help her.  Her migraines start in her eyes, and
spread through her jaw and teeth.

	She has tried these pain killers without success:  (spelling is iffy)
		Ferinol
		Codeine
		Ergamar
		Cafragot

	She has modified her diet (no MSG etc) with some success

	Here are other recomendations she has heard of and would like more
information about:
	Oxygen
	Diet
	Ice
	Stadad - nasal spray pain killer
	Some form of injection specific to migraine treatment. It is made
	by Glaxo Holdings and is available in Europe, but not U.S.
	Indoral/Beta Blockers


	Any general or specific info or experiences people can relate to me
would be greatly appreciated.

	Thanks,
	R. Todd Frazier
	rfrazier@peruvian.utah.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: rodney@smsc.sony.com ()
Subject: Adenomatous Hyperplasia
Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp, San Jose, CA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 01:24:51 GMT

Please email information. 



Thanks !

Rodney Wilson
rodney@smsc.sony.com