From: varnavas@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (varnavas constantine)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: EDUCATION SPECIAL: MAP OF THE WORLD
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:34:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BszI5L.20o
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

sk@groo.sunbim.be (Sasa Konecni) writes:

>in article <Bsy0BM.2wC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> on 13 Aug 92 22:11:45 GMT
>Constantinos Varnavas writes:

> >> I repeat:  Macedonia did not participate in the Olympic games simply because it
> >> is not recognized.

>Is the truth so hard for you to apprehend? Macedonians were at the Olimpic Games.
>What kind of proof do you whant. The best proof I can think of is the article
>from the newspaper.

The truth is that "Macedonia" DID NOT PARTICIPATE in the Olympic Games.
Sakellariou proved you wrong.  Athletes from the ex-Yugoslavian "Republic
of Macedonia" participated in the Games.  There is a big difference here 
which you do not seem to understand.  Your original posting created the 
false impression that "Macedonia" participated in the Olympic Games.  
And since now you admit the opposite, and since in my assumption you knew 
that all along, you forged the truth.

> >>  I did not see any
> >> "Republic of Macedonia" in the opening ceremonies, I did not see the
> >> "Macedonian" flag

>Did you see a Russion flag in the opening of the ceremony? I will say the answer: NO.
>This does not mean that Russia was not on the Games. I presume you know that the Russians
>were competitng under an Olympic Flag, the same as Macedonians.

Russia was not at the Games.  The Unified Team (which included athletes from
Russia) was.  Once again you are caught misrepresenting the truth.

>Macedonia did not have yet a flag at that time. 

>And what do you exactly mean by the fillowing:

> >> "Macedonian" flag (that forgery of history which depicts the Macedonian sun - an
> >> ancient Macedonian symbol which people of the so-called "Republic of Macedonia"
> >> have nothing to do with), or any other official representation of "Macedonia".

The Macedonian sun, is a symbol of the ancient Macedonians, a Greek tribe.
The Slav inhabitants of the present region of the "Republic of Macedonia" have
nothing to do with the ancient Macedonians.  By using the Macedonian symbol
for their flag, the government of Scopje is forging history.  Can you prove
any historical, cultural, lingual, or any kind of connection between the
ancient Macedonians and the republic of Scopje?

>I will repeat to you what I have said to Rizos Sakellariou. 

>And what is exactly the history you stand behind? I would very
>much like to know, and I hope other readers on the netwes, about your
>opinion on the history of the Balkan. The reason is because I see that
>there is difference in what I think about the problem and what you
>think.

The history I stand behind is that there is no connection between the Republic
of Scopje and Macedonians.  To use the Macedonian name and the Macedonian
symbols is a forgery.  THe "Republic of Macedonia" is an artificial creation
of Tito.  Now, tell me what is the history you stand behind?  I will be
anxiously waiting to rebattle.


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Constantinos Varnavas
University of Illinois
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