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From: Kyle.Hearn@f504.n130.z1.fidonet.org (Kyle Hearn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Linux v. Coherent: Comments
Date: 8 Jan 93 07:47:08 GMT


 CM>  to for most commercial versions.
 CM>  However I can manage the $99 for Coherent. So the free versus the
 CM>  $99 in Coherent versus Linux is not an issue as far as I am
 CM>  concerned. What I wouls appreciate is  a comparison of the two
 CM>  systems, features, tools, ease of use, compatibility, support
etc.
 CM>  In particular the ability to use standard unix stuff intended for
 CM>  the commercial UNIX's found all over the Net.
 CM>  How do the two match up? The technical prowess of the two should

Chaim,  

       Coherent is a unix clone. It's not unix. There are around 200
similar commands between the two, but there isnt any networking except
uucp, and there are a number of different things. If you dont have a
heap of money around and want to learn unix, give it a try. It requires
640K and 10MB of space and can be had for $99. There is some decent
software for it, but I dont know if you are trying to actually use
regular unix software or just get used to it. I have some experience
with a few different NeXT models and am trying to force myself to buy
Univel Unixware. I have a var kit from them and am about to buy it.
There are going to be differences between any unix system. Unix,
Xenix,MINIX, Solaris, X windows, all of that....it can be compared to
different versions of dos if you want a simple comparison such as IBM
dos, ms dos, dr dos, but the differences do not stop there. A nice thing
about coherent is it is cheap and I believe the c compiler is free. If
you can get linux, do it. But if 99 bucks isn't much to you, its a good
training tool to get coherent. Let me know if you would like some
coherent info.

KH


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: witr@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow)
Subject: Re: 386 BSD
Reply-To: witr@rwwa.com
Organization: R.W. Withrow Associates
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:20:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.191406.25765@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lukka@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tuomas J Lukka) writes:

| One of the reasons that originally steered me toward Linux instead of
| 386BSD was the latter's low version number (0.1) compared to Linux (0.97
| at the time).  

Gee.  I've always doubted it, but I guess this proves the marketeers claim
that people will select a product based on such irrationalities as how shiny the 
package is, and how high the version number is.  There is no hope for the
human species...

-- 
 Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430, Net: witr@rwwa.COM
 R.W. Withrow Associates, 21 Railroad Ave, Swampscott MA 01907-1821 USA
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ammo@cc.gatech.edu (Ammo Goettsch)
Subject: Re: INSTALLING LINUX
Reply-To: ammo@cc.gatech.edu (Ammo Goettsch)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:59:27 GMT

In article <3841342751.23@inode.com> andor@inode.com writes:
> -=> Quoting Ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca to News <=-
>
> Ra> MAX.   Both A1 and A2 are 1.22 MB...  My B drive is a 1.44, but I
> Ra> cannot boot  from it.  Any sugestions?
>
>By now, someone else has probably replied, but:
>
>Open up your PC and swap the cables from the A to the B drive. Your 1.44 will
>now be a bootable A drive, and the 1.2 will be a nonbootable B drive.
>

Frequently, 3.5 and 4.25 inch drives have different connectors on the cable to
the floppy controller these days. This was the case in my machine, so I just
took the cable out, took the connectors off and "moved" the twist in the cable
by simply twisting the appropriate leads at the middle connector and un-
twisting it at the end connector. The flat ribbon cable connectors re-crimp
just fine if you are careful and you can save a whole lot of time and a little
money by not ordering a new custom cable.

OK, so it's a kludge, but it beats having to wait a week to install Linux 
(drooling) while your cable is in the mail.

Ammo
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: sno@ais.org (Stephen Opal)
Subject: GCC make
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:54:16 GMT

I have looked through the recent GCC 2.3.3 distributions but can't seem
to find 'make'.  Where is it?

-- 
Stephen N. Opal     sno@umcc.ais.org
From: STDN%MARIST.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Dan Newcombe)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Can't get the GCC 2.3.3 to work right.  :(
Date: 5 Jan 1993 12:14:49 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Last night I installed the lib.so.4.2 stuff and gcc 2.3.3
I didn't seem to have any problems with the lib stuff.
(I installed the Image-4.2.tar.Z file and the include files,
and the extra-4.2.tar.Z files.  The jump-4.2.tz looked like it
was just stuff to make the other libraries.  I then untarred
gcc 2.3.3.  I was able to compile programs, but when I compiled
my xhello program (4 #include's and 5 lines of code) it gave me an
exec that was over 500K (using 2.2.2 the exec was about 15K!)
What would cause this?  I tried to compile it with the
-L/usr/lib/shlib/jump option (which worked under 2.2.2) but that
gave me an error saying something close to:
(crt0.o) : Undefined symbol __envrion referenced from text segment.

Any help is appreciated.

   -Dan

Dan Newcombe
stdn@vm.marist.edu                        kk4d@maristb.marist.edu
dnewcomb@cybernet.cse.fau.edu             And others...
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
- Real programmers like vending machine popcorn.  Coders pop it in the
  microwave oven.  Real programmers use the heat given off by the cpu.
  They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping.

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: khockenbury@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu
Subject: Re: Where areo ther four consoles?
Organization: Stevens Institute Of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:28:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.203741.5511@athena.mit.edu>, lana@news.mit.edu (Svetlana Panasyuk) writes:
> I've installed Linux 0.98p5 from SLS 0.99. Works fine, but while
> it's writing during setup
> 8 virtual consoles
> I have access only to 4. Pressing Alt-F[5-8] brings me to empty screen.

Mail bounced, so:

You have to add entries to /etc/inettab, like the ones there for tty1-4, then
kill -HUP 1 to tell init to reload.
	-Kurt Hockenbury
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: sposton@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stephen Poston)
Subject: Anyone running X Windows programs from SUN Sparcs?
Cc: sposton@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: sposton@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:19:00 +0000

Hi there,
     I'be been playing around with linux a month now, and am getting
into the networking side of it.  I've got telnet and ftp running from
and to a SUN Sparcstation network (to some extent!) but can't seem to work
out how to get the programs running on the sparc to be displayed on my
linux station. I've got linux 98p5 at present, i'll be upgrading
sometime soon.

     My linus station is called 'spc1' to the rest of the sparc network.

     What I can't work out is how to get the X windows running, so that
when I start a program on the sparc e.g. '<progname> -display spc1' it does
not seem to work.  What I can't work out is how to start my X windows up
so that it is known as 'spc1'.

If anyone out there has had any success then please mail me.
(I'm waiting for the comp.windows.x FAQ to arrive in the news group)

Thanks.

=---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
|       Steve Poston      |  Electronic Engineer & Computer Programmer      |
|                         |  InterNet : sposton@cix.compulink.co.uk         |
=---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Re: Leaving light on mounted removable devices
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:28:55 GMT

danubius@halcyon.com (Joseph R. Pannon) writes:
>I'm not sure that keeping the drive light necessarily goes together with
>the spinning.  As I recall, the DOS FASTBACK backup software managed to
>keep the drive lights on even during changing of the floppies,
>supposedly so that they could detect the actual change having taken
>place. 

I have used the backup program in PC-Tools, and it works the same way:
the drive light stays on even while you change floppies.  This is
accomplished, in fact, by keeping the motor running, or rather, by
trying to read or write to the floppy (which requires the motor to be
running, of course).

A much better way to solve the problem is to have some kind of volume
labels for filesystems on removable media, and have the kernel check
the volume label before reading or writing after a media change.  This
doesn't put wear and tear on the hardware, only on your friendly
kernel hackers.  They have, incidentally, already at some time
discussed this, but nobody seemed interested enough to do it at the
time.  I'd do it, but I'm not a kernel hacker.  Anybody interested?

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi  (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
   MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.
From: splee@pd.org (Seng-Poh Lee, Speedy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: What causes these Zombie processes?
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:27:04 GMT
Organization: Public Domain Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Seng-Poh Lee, Speedy (splee@pd.org) wrote:
> After running for a few days, my Linux system ends up with quite a
> few 'Zombie' processes. I can't kill them off, even with kill -9 and
> the only way to get rid of them is with a reboot. This is a typical 
> 'ps -aux' screen after a few days.
> 
> USER       PID %CPU %MEM SIZE  RSS TT STAT START   TIME COMMAND
> root         1  0.0  3.3   32  136 ?  S    23:39   0:00 init

I have identified the parent as the portmap daemon. So it appears the
NFS server is responsible for these zombies. Am eagerly awaiting
Rick's new release :-)

--
Seng-Poh Lee    <splee@pd.org>
From: cs89rdb@brunel.ac.uk (Roger D Binns)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Parallel port irq's
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:11:36 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Can someone please state unequivocally wether or not Linux uses interrupts
when printing to the parallel port.  I have my soundblaster on IRQ 7, and
do not want to change it, as lower irq's (2 & 5) are used already.

Thanks,

Roger
-- 
+=============================================================================+
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|:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::|
| Do your bit to destroy the American economy by overwhelming their legal     |
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: lederer@informatik.uni-bonn.de (Sebastian Lederer)
Subject: A simple xload program using proc fs
Keywords: xload
Reply-To: lederer@informatik.uni-bonn.de
Organization: Universit"at Bonn, Informatikinstitut, R"omerstr 154, W-5300 Bonn 1
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:54:03 GMT


After some browsing in the X manuals I found that an xload program using the proc filesystem
would be very easy...so here is the code. Hope some of you find it useful.
The resources used should be the same as for the original xload.
Please mail questions/improvements/patches to
sebi@avatar.GUN.de
-----------------------------------  xload.c -----------------------------------------

#define LOADAVG "/proc/loadavg"
#include <stdio.h>
#include <sys/param.h> /* for MAXHOSTNAMELEN */
#include <X11/Intrinsic.h>
#include <X11/StringDefs.h>
#include <X11/Xaw/StripChart.h>
#include <X11/Xaw/Label.h>
#include <X11/Xaw/Paned.h>

void get_value(Widget w, XtPointer client_data, XtPointer chart_value)
{
	FILE *loadavg;
	
	if( (loadavg=fopen(LOADAVG,"r"))==NULL)
		{
			fprintf(stderr,"couldn't open %s",LOADAVG);
			exit(1);	
		}
	fscanf(loadavg,"%lf", (double *) chart_value);
	fclose(loadavg);
}

main(int argc,char **argv)
{
	XtAppContext app_context;
	Widget topLevel, chart,paned,label;

	char hostname[MAXHOSTNAMELEN+1];
	
	gethostname(hostname,MAXHOSTNAMELEN);
		
	topLevel = XtVaAppInitialize(&app_context,"Xload",NULL,0,&argc,
			argv,NULL,NULL);
	paned = XtVaCreateManagedWidget( "paned", panedWidgetClass, topLevel,
					NULL);
	label = XtVaCreateManagedWidget( "label", labelWidgetClass, paned,
					"label",hostname, NULL);
	chart = XtVaCreateManagedWidget ("load",stripChartWidgetClass, 
			paned,NULL);
	XtAddCallback(chart, XtNgetValue, get_value, 0 );
	XtRealizeWidget(topLevel);
	XtAppMainLoop(app_context);
}

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: aneubach@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Andreas Neubacher)
Subject: X & telnet via modem - no SLIP.
Organization: RISC, J.K. University of Linz, Austria
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:44:15 GMT

For those of you who can't wait for the Linux SLIP port, here's an
alternative which I've been using successfully for 2 weeks now:
	Get the 'ka9qbin.taz' package from your favorite linux server,
modify the 'startup.net' file such that it fits your setup, connect via
modem (e.g. using kermit) to some terminal server or Unix host supporting slip, 
and then start the 'net' program from the 'ka9q' package.
	This gives you a SLIP connection over which you can do ftp & telnet
(from inside 'net' - you don't need the ftp & telnet binaries!). Even X
works! (I'm typing this messge from my machine at home in a window of an
'emacs' running on our Institute's host.)

I hope this helps a bit,

Andreas.
-- 
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University, 4040 Linz, Austria. aneubach@risc.uni-linz.ac.at !Packed signature!
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: burch@seas.smu.edu (Chris Burchett)
Subject: Help! Linux boot disk blanks screen
Followup-To: burch@seas.smu.edu
Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:27:12 GMT


Please help!

I am in the process of loading linux on my PC and I have ran into a
bit of a snag.  I installed the base system and the install script
created a boot disk.
Now when the system boots from the new disk the screen goes
blank?  The install boot disk works fine and I was able to see 
that the files seemed to get transfered OK.
I did some reading in the news here and found a problem like mine
The response said the video was changing to SVGA and the rdev -v
call was designed to prevent the switch.  I tried it with no change.

Please give me some hints.  I am excited about linux and would like
to get it running.

My configuration is a 386SX 20M with 4M RAM and a standard
paradise VGA.

Thanks in advance

burch@seas.smu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: dthumim@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J Thumim)
Subject: Leaving light on mounted removable devices
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:03:18 GMT

I saw Rainer Kirsch's post about the SyQuest removable drive, in which he
mentioned that the light stays on while the disk is mounted, so that you
won't take it out while it's mounted by accedent.  This seems to me like
a great idea!  

I have had problems before forgetting to unmount before removing a floppy
disk, and the average user used to DOS would probably be even more likely
to forget sometimes.   Would it be possible to make it so that the light
will stay on when a floppy disk is mounted, as a reminder to unmount before
removing?

This would probably be more difficult, but it would also be useful if the
disk light stayed on from when a write begins until it's sync'd, for
example when tarring to a floppy, if you take it out after the tar finishes
and the light goes out, the data won't be there until the sync!  I realize
that this might not be simple to implement, but I think it would make life
easier for all linux users.

                                                -- |)aniel Thumim
                                                dthumim@athena.mit.edu
From: jk87377@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Kouhia Juhana)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: List of stuff that works under Linux
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:08:36 +0200
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi

In article <09JAN93.16268680.0012.MUSIC@MARISTB>
KK4D%MARISTB.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Dan Newcombe) writes:
>
>Anyway, what I had in mind was something like:
>
>Program Name:
>Obtained from:  (ftp site and subdirectory)
>Brief Description:  (something like database, cute shoot-em-up game)
>Compiled Under: (Kernel version, GCC version(or whatever lang),
>                 library version)
>Special Dependencies: (stuff like needs X, or Needs CLISP and joystick)
>Needed Changes:  (Changes you had to make.  This is the only part
>                  I'm not sure about.  Maybe I could keep a file
>                  of patches, or where patches could be found.
>                  If it's something small like "undef BLOCK" then that
>                  could be kept here, but I don't want this list to
>                  have stuff like a patch to bring kernel v0.10 up to
>                  v0.99pl2  :)

Excellent! I have thought about the same, and in fact I allready
have xloadimage-info (but some odds there still) and the info
for Prolog (taken from this newsgroup) in the purpose to put them
to FTP site.

I also almost set up a directory to nic.funet.fi:pub/OS/Linux/doc
to compile instructions to compile programs.
(Have to discuss about it with the actual maintainer of
Linux-directory before making anything.)


I have a comment to the last item in your list:
The needed changes should not be a patch file, but similar.

The patch is good place to start, though.
It is good that changes (unclear ones) are described as
why they are done.
Also, if there's multiple similar changes, then it is good
to write the change once, and to list the files where changes
are done.

This way it should be easy to compile the next release even
there's main changes done to the code.


How many items you have in the list, so far?
I suggest that those people who have compiled allready programs
to Linux will write how they did it.
Was that too much to ask?


Juhana Kouhia
From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: ANSWER: libg++.a problem with Regex.o
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:23:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1993Jan8.232315.28314
Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University

In article <CORYWEST.93Jan8124821@brazos.is.rice.edu>, corywest@is.rice.edu (Cory West) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan8.103050.18355@odin.diku.dk> dingbat@diku.dk 
|> (Niels Skov Olsen) writes:
|> 
|> >  A slight problem with g++ 2.3.3 and the latest libs and the binutils
|> >  found on the latest hlu base disks.
|> >  When I compile this program:
|> [...]
|> >  ld gives me these errors:
|> >  Undefined symbol re_compile_pattern(const char *, int, re_pattern_buffer *)
|> [...]
|> >  I have checked that these symbols are in fact in libg++.a with nm.
|> 
|> 	This is the same question that I have been asking without
|> much luck,  I have two suspicions and I'm not sure which one is

It is very strange. I fixed it the same day I got the report. Please
get gxx-2.3.TZ again from tsx-11.mit.edu. The problem was caused by
/usr/include/regex.h, which missed the stuff for C++. I have fixed it and
posted a note on both c.o.l and c.o.l.a. Here is the part of it.

----------
10. inc-4.2-fix.TZ

  Some fixed headers failed to make into inc-4.2.TZ but are needed.
  To unpack it:

  cd /usr
  tar xvvofz inc-4.2-fix.TZ
----------

H.J.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey)
Subject: Re: rlogind & telnetd together act funny
Organization: The Internet
	<hns.726827212@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:52:38 GMT

>>>>> On 11 Jan 93 09:56:02 EST, gbothe@desire.wright.edu said:

Greg> Well, I got rlogind finally working from the net-bin-0.2
Greg> distribution.  However, I have a small problem between telnetd
Greg> and rlogind.  The two seem to use the same port!!  If I rlogin
Greg> to my Linux machine, then telnet to my Linux machine, then log
Greg> off the telnet session, my rlogin session logs off too!!!
Greg> They both (for the first session) behave like they are using
Greg> the same port (ex: ttyp0) for their communication.

>>>>> On Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:26:52 GMT,
>>>>> hns@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Henning Spruth) said:

Henning> We have exactly the same problem (kernel 0.99pl2, net-bin-0.2).

There is a bug in the kernel's implementation of vhangup(2), here is a
patch.
-----
*** linux/fs/open.c.orig	Sun Jan  3 16:25:06 1993
--- linux/fs/open.c	Tue Jan 12 21:46:20 1993
***************
*** 490,500 ****
  
  	if (!suser())
  		return -EPERM;
- 	/* send the SIGHUP signal. */
- 	kill_pg(current->pgrp, SIGHUP, 0);
  	/* See if there is a controlling tty. */
  	if (current->tty < 0)
  		return 0;
  
  	for (process = task + 0; process < task + NR_TASKS; process++) {
  		for (j = 0; j < NR_OPEN; j++) {
--- 490,502 ----
  
  	if (!suser())
  		return -EPERM;
  	/* See if there is a controlling tty. */
  	if (current->tty < 0)
  		return 0;
+ 	/* send the SIGHUP signal. */
+ 	tty = TTY_TABLE(current->tty);
+ 	if (tty && tty->pgrp > 0)
+ 		kill_pg(tty->pgrp, SIGHUP, 0);
  
  	for (process = task + 0; process < task + NR_TASKS; process++) {
  		for (j = 0; j < NR_OPEN; j++) {
From: janl@ifi.uio.no (Nicolai Langfeldt)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: ***** README: How to find answers to your linux questions. *****
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:20:20 GMT
Reply-To: janl@ifi.uio.no
Followup-To: poster
Symary: RTFM, RTFFAQ, posted automatically twice a week

Much of the volume on comp.os.linux used by questions that have been
answered tens, hundreds or even thousands of times.

Questions like: 
  - I have a 100Mb hd and want it all in one partition, but mkfs don't
    like block counts >65535, what do I do? (and you'll also be told why
    this isn't a good idea)
  - How does Linus like his virtual beer?
  - Can I have both os/2 dos and linux on my 'puter?
  - I want to install Linux on my machine. Where do I start?
  - Why is it that one fool can ask more than ten wise can answer?
  - du seem to report double sizes on files, what's up?
  - I just upgraded my kernel, why don't ps work anymore?

Answers on that and a lot more can be found in these documents:

  INFO-SHEET (what is linux, features, hardware, getting linux)
  meta-faq   (linux faq, linux newsgroups, ftp, bbs'es, about which
	      files to get when installing linux, mailing lists,
	      + quite a lot of other info and pointers)
  faq_<Date> The complete linux faq. Contains answers on: Linux, linux
	     instalation, common problems, linux and dos, more problems,
	     hints, features, gcc, scsi, X11, networking, and emacs.

Both the INFO-SHEET and meta-faq are posted regularly on comp.os.linux
(recently on comp.os.linux.announce); you should be able to find it if
you search backwards thru comp.os.linux for "INFO-SHEET" or "META-FAQ"
in the subject line.

For some this might work:
  cd /usr/spool/news/comp/os/linux    # or /var/spool/news/comp/os/linux
  grep "Subject: META-FAQ" *
  grep "Subject: Linux INFO-SHEET" *


The faq is _large_ but very well organized, and face it: you have to
read _some_ docs to keep your system running smoothly, and the faq is
a minimum.

The problem is that the people who know the answers grow tired of
answering the same questions time after time and stop answering. This
is not what anyone wants, so please RTFM before asking. The manuals
might be hard to understand, but please make a effort.

If people could start doing this life on comp.os.linux would become
better and maybe we could get rid of all the split posts too :)

Nicolai
--
Nicolai Langfeldt, "Bugs made while you wait"
Internet: janl@ifi.uio.no
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux