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From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
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Subject: Re: Ronnie cox
Date: 12 Dec 1992 23:13:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Ronny Cox has played one "good-guy" type role, way back when;
in 1974-75 he was the father in APPLE'S WAY, a short-lived
series which was a sort of modern-day version of THE WALTONS
(by the same creator).  He also played a father in SPENCER,
an even shorter-lived sitcom from 1984.  (Info from the
COMPLETE DIRECTORY OF PRIME TIME TV STARS.)

By the way, I hope it's not true that Paramount is grooming
Cox for permanent captain if Patrick Stewart decides to
leave; in that event, I would rather see Riker finally get
his own command.

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From: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Troi & her uniform...possible spoilers
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:44:23 GMT


	Possible spoilers.......






































HORRAY!!!!!  Troi was finally told to quit wearing those slinky body
tight outfits that must have been very distracting to the bridge crew
(with the exception of Data)  I think Captain "Bad Attitude" is a real
jerk though.  How could he have arbitrated the Federation/Cardassian
treaty with his attitude.  If I were a Cardassian I probably would
have blasted him into nothingness long ago.  They should have sent him
on the mission to destroy the "secret lab" and let Picard handle the
diplomacy.  Of course then Troi would still be in her body suit and
the cosmos would be back to normal.

I can't wait for this weekend!  KTXA Ch 21 in Dallas shows last week's
episode on Saturday (CoC I) and next week's episode on Sunday 
(CoC II).  My VCR will be hummin!

Ron

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From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
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Subject: Re: Where are the enlisted personal?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:13:51 GMT
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I believe I remember a statement by Gene Roddenberry in the 
book THE MAKING OF STAR TREK (by Whitfield and Roddenberry,
first published during the original network run of ST) to the
effect that he envisioned Starfleet as being composed entirely
of officers with no "enlisted personnel".  Obviously some of
the officers are very junior and take orders from the more senior
ones; but Gene apparently did not want his ideal future quasi-
military organization to preserve the current-day social
distinctions between officers and enlisted.

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From: klein@egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
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Subject: Re: 'Batman" meets 'Trek'
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:36:47 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting

In article <8065.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com> scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)  writes:
>On 7 Dec 92 19:34:29 GMT, dkelly@bio1.acpub.duke.edu (Dianne Kelly) said:
>
>DK>What's interesting is that Spock doesn't call this an old Vulcan
>DK>proverb, he attributes it to "A distinguished ancestor of mine."  Now
>DK>the quote is from Sherlock Holmes -- an ancestor of Spock?  I guess it's
>DK>possible, since he is half-human.  So are we to assume that the entire
>DK>Holmes canon links with the Trek canon?  The mind boggles.
>
>I had assumed that Spock was referring not to Holmes, but to Conan Doyle,
>who might in fact be an ancestor of the Graysons.

I took this as a "fourth wall" joke by the scriptwriter -- in the
world of fiction, the logical Holmes can be seen as a literary
ancestor of the logical Spock.

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From: 78313@novell1.rz.fht-mannheim.de (Christian_Karpp)
Subject: TOS/Uhura
Organization: Fachhochschule fuer Technik Mannheim
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:36:47 GMT

here on german tv they reshow the TOS episodes on a private channel (
unfortunately in no particular order) and I saw one episode where Lt. Uhura 
wears a _yellow_ uniform.
can someone please tell me the name of that ep.?

tnx,
Christian Karpp
FHT Mannheim, FRG
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From: svanegmo@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen Van Egmond)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E  II
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:45:58 GMT

Quote:
"
I know there have also been plenty of men shown as idiots on the show, but
I'm trying to remember when a woman was portrayed as *REALLY SMART* or
competent or a good female role model.  Can anyone help me with this?
"

Does Ensign Ro qualify?  How about Dr. Crusher?  Sela, even though she's working
for the Bad Guys seems to be a competent officer.

                                                                  ,,,
                                                                 (o o)
+------------------------------------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo---+
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| "Important to remember when dealing with people: it's `I think, therefore
|  I am,' and not `I am, therefore I think.'"
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From: gkatz@csws6.ic.sunysb.edu (Gerald W Katz)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:07:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.233252.3391@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) writes:
>> As "The Gallileo Seven" has proven to Spock, logic does not
>> solve all problems.  His logic cost the lives of several crewmen.
>> He also used emotional desperation in the end. (Admittedly he logically
>> came up with that decision.)
>>
>> Also, though I don't remember the episode right now, Spock does
>> say to Kirk that where logic fails, he should use emotion, thus
>> proving Spock did actually learn from "The Galileo Seven".
>>
>> In "Assignment Earth" he even suggested human intution over logic.
>
>I would say it can be decribed a weighing low probabilities against one
>another. Staying in orbit they will have a virtual 0 chance of being found and
>will die shortly. Using all their fuel for a dynamic display yet cause death
>to occur sooner would have a higher probability of being found and is thus
>a better choice.
>
>Both ways their chances were slim to none, but it can be reasoned that staying
>in orbit their chances were even more slim if not none.
>
>Now Data could probably recognize all possible options and actually do
>probability calculations on the choices and would come to the same conclusion
>as spock.
>
>Logic wins again!

I'm not saying that Data is not capable of command.  I think he is.
I'm just reponsdin to the original poster's opinion that emotions
get in the way of command and that logic is better.  
My argument is that logic, though admirable in its succes, is not
the be all end all.  Emotions are necessary assets of humans.
Without it, we'd be nothing more than Borgs, Daleks, or the
M-5 computer. (or even perhaps Cybermen)

gkatz

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From: ctk@well.sf.ca.us (Cassandra T. Kamuchey)
Subject: Re: Troi Survey - Results
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:33:33 GMT


	Troi should be sacked and burned!

	  ...Ooops, wrong Troy.

Cassandra
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From: jwells@netcom.com (Court Jester)
Subject: Re: Promos for: CHAIN OF COMMAND Pt.2 (#237) +DSN
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:29:38 GMT

dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:

>In accordance with the new schedule, promos for the next new ST:TNG episode
>"Chain of Command Pt.2" (#237) were released today.  The actual program will
>air starting on Saturday, December 19th.

In the East Bay Area, STTNG is aired on Wednesdays, so we get to see it
on December 16!!!

I'm sure there must be a lot other areas the see Star Trek earlier than
Saturdays, but I just had to let everyone know how excited--and lucky--
I am to see it on Wednesday! =)

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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: DSN or DS9 ?
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:20:12 GMT


	Okay, I've got a question here: Does anyone know FOR SURE what the
abbreviation is for Deep Space Nine? Is DSN or DS9? I've seen both
used here, many times, and was just wondering.

	I s'pose DSN would make sense cause it's similar to all the others 
(TOS, TAS, TNG) in that it has three letters, but I kind like the
looks of DS9. So, anyone with information?

					CtB
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From: halabe@andersen.uucp (Dan Halabe)
Subject: Re: 'Batman" meets 'Trek'
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:36:19 GMT

klein@egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) writes:

>In article <8065.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com> scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)  writes:
>>On 7 Dec 92 19:34:29 GMT, dkelly@bio1.acpub.duke.edu (Dianne Kelly) said:
>>
>>DK>What's interesting is that Spock doesn't call this an old Vulcan
>>DK>proverb, he attributes it to "A distinguished ancestor of mine."  Now
>>DK>the quote is from Sherlock Holmes -- an ancestor of Spock?  I guess it's
>>DK>possible, since he is half-human.  So are we to assume that the entire
>>DK>Holmes canon links with the Trek canon?  The mind boggles.
>>
>>I had assumed that Spock was referring not to Holmes, but to Conan Doyle,
>>who might in fact be an ancestor of the Graysons.

>I took this as a "fourth wall" joke by the scriptwriter -- in the
>world of fiction, the logical Holmes can be seen as a literary
>ancestor of the logical Spock.

These are all good guesses.  My guess was that, by coincidence, a Vulcan writer
similar in temprement to Doyle might once have entertained Spock's ancestors
with tales about the exploits of a clever Vulcan detective.  Maybe by sheer
luck, he coined a similar expression.

The theory stands up pretty well in light of precedents set by other
"parallel evolution" episodes.

-Dan
halabe@ils.nwu.edu
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Why all the repeats? Is TNG getting Cancelled?
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 04:06:47 GMT

In article <1ggoe2INN6ig@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wr
ght) writes:
>
>
>Header says it all: are they throwing TNG away, finally? And replacing
>it with DS9?
>-- 
>"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
>    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
>                      Kenneth Boulding                             
>
>					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
>						david@cats.ucsc.edu.


NO.  They ALWAYS have repeats at this time, because they're
still making episodes.  They tend to make them slower than they
show them (or something like that), thus they show repeats in the
middle of the season to allow them time to "catch up."  They are
NOT "throwing away" ST:TNG; they'll keep it for as long as it's 
popular; then they'll go to movies.

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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why all the repeats? Is TNG getting Cancelled?
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:51:31 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
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Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <rawdon.724298914@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
<In <1ggoe2INN6ig@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
<>Header says it all: are they throwing TNG away, finally? And replacing
<>it with DS9?
<
<There are ALWAYS repeats after the first nine or ten episodes of the season.
<And they've only shown THREE so far.  That's hardly a lot of reruns, given
<that they only show 26 episodes per season.
<
<Is it just me, or does it seem like hardly anyone pays any attention to this
<stuff?

Must be you....I've never noticed that question before :-)
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From: cma@titan.ucc.umass.edu (COLIN MA)
Subject: Re: Ah HA! (Or why do federation phasers always hit their target)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:30:08 GMT

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:18:57 GMT

In article <ternent.17@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu> ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ter
nent) writes:

[stuff about phasers never missing their targets deleted]


Well, it's not true that Federation people never miss with their
phasers.  Just look at how Worf missed the Ferengi on "Rascals."
:-)

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From: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Re: Ah HA! (Or why do federation phasers always hit their target)
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:36:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.200352.28202@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, gkatz@csws11.ic.sunysb.edu (Gerald W Katz) writes:
|> In article <ericw.724358472@hobbes> ericw@hobbes.amd.com (Eric Wedaa) writes:
|> 
|> >Federation Hand Phasers come equiped with RADAR Lock, ECM, and a gyroscopic
|> >interface to track the target as the target and/or Riker are moving!!!
|> >
|> >>>>>Ericw
|> 
|> 
|> Then why is Worf always missing his target? :-)
|> 
|> gkatz
Because the RADAR lock guidance systems weren't made by Texas Instruments! 
Our stuff works!  If my memory serves me right, the federation phasers are
made by Riker Enterprises (check the spec manual) and have a subroutine in
them that does not permit a phaser to lock on to any of the Riker clan (kinda
like Robo-Cop was programmed).
  8-)  8-)  8-)  8-0
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From: dkgardin@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Dan Gardiner)
Subject: Chain of Command I
Keywords: [cardassians], [romulans]
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:41:55 GMT

    Okay, I just saw CoC part I yesterday and it seemed like most other TNG 
  episodes to me, okay but nothing spectacular.  The one thing that bothered
  me about the story though is the fact that the entire thing was a trap set
  by the Cardassians for Picard.  I dunno, to me the Cardassians haven't been
  built up in the series to be capable of pulling off something like this.  The
  entire thing seemed to me better suited as a Romulan ploy.  We know that they
  are capable of pulling off something like this, they surely have a grudge 
  against Picard, and it has been said that with the Romulans "it's always a
  chess game."

    

  Merry Christmas!

 
 
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From: gkatz@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu (Gerald W Katz)
Subject: Re: Addressing the Captain
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:44:26 GMT

In article <92347.232834MORRISON@UCF1VM.BITNET> Aaron Morrison <MORRISON@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>
>I am going to assume Mr. Monahan is correct about today's navy as I have no
>first hand knowledge of such.  It is my observation that he is correct in
>his statement.  "Captain" is both a rank and a position title.
>
>As far as ST:TMP is concerned, Kirk was called Captain on the Enterprise
>because he _was_ a Captain (both in rank and position).  If you notice,
>Kirk wears Captain's markings (on his sleeve) while in command of the
>Enterprise.  Also recall the conversation in Engineering with Mr. Decker
>who was Captain (both rank and position) until Kirk assumed command.  Kirk
>informs Decker that he will be Kirk's executive officer with  a  "Temporary
>reduction in rank to Commander."  (Also remember Ailea's (sp?) surprise at
>the rank of Commander in the corridore)
>
>In this particular case, we can see that Kirk was addressed as "Captain"
>for either being "captain of the ship" or by holding the rank of "captain."
>Essentially a take your pick situation...   :-)
>

A little spoiler here for "Man of the People".



On the related note of O'Brian being called "Chief":

I recently watched "Man of the People" again where an Ambassador uses
Troi as a negative emotion depository.  In the episode, a female crewmember
is at the transporter console in all scenes involving the transporter.
In one scene, I believe the first one where the Ambassador and his "mother"
first arrive, Troi refers to that character as "Chief".
Therefore, it appears that "chief" refers to anyone who is running
the transportet console at the time.  Of course, O'Brian could still
be the head of all transporter personell and is thus the Chief of Chiefs.
However, that is just speculation, but someone other than O'Brian was
called "Chief" while working the transporter.

gkatz
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: The Borg : Maybe some insight....
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:31:28 GMT

>I thought that that episode was interesting. I have a few problems with it 
>though. If 3 of 5 or Hugh or Hew or Hue recognized Picard so readily, then 
>why do the Borg ignore Earth? If Picard was recognized then surely the Borg 
>would know where Earth was.

Yeah, so?

>Also, why is it that the Federation never calls upon beings that they have 
>worked with in the past to come and help them out of sticky situations? When 
>the Borg attacked if I were in the situation I think that I could find 
>several beings to enlist. 

Maybe, but they didn't have a whole lot of time, and most people's they've
helped didn't have a good technology. If you remember, the Klingons were
sending ships to Wolf 359 (?) and the Admiral also stated possible Romulan
ships coming as well.

>The federation should have taught the Borg about the Romulans and the 
>Ferengi. Though I try not to be prejudiced towards anyone, I can not stand 
>these 'people' even though they make for an interesting story once and a 
>while.

Wouldn't be suprised if the Borg know about both of them. In fact, I'd be
suprised if they didn't. After all, Picard knew about them, and they 
knew everything Picard did up to that point.

>I think that it would be intersting if the Borg came back but this time on a 
>mission of peace. I think that it would be safe to believe that Picard's use 
>of Hue (I prefer this spelling even if it is wrong) as a plant had some 
>effect. Maybe that is why the Borg ignored the ship. You can not convince me 
>that they did not know where the E. was when the picked up Hue. You can not 
>convince me that they did not know that there was someone else at the 
>crashsight either. Hue looked right at Geordi (spelled correctly?). If all 
>Borg know what every other Borg knows then.....

Peace? The Borg? Not likely. But so what if they did know where the E was
and of course they knew Geordi was there. BUT, the borg assimilate cultures
not people. In BoBW, they left the E alone ( 'cept for kidnapping Picard as
a spokes person). So why would they mess with the E now? Especially if it 
was only a scout vessel that went to pick up Hugh. (pretty sure that the
right spelling, but that's a minor point.) 

	So, why don't they go attack Earth and the Federation now? Maybe analysing
the situation and preparing the best attack for it. Don't want what happened 
to happen again I s'pose. Maybe Hugh affected the Borg, maybe not. But I 
think they should have just used they're idea to destroy the whole bunch. 
after all, they were at war.

			CtB
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From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Alert in transporter beam?
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:29:42 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <14DEC92.23393322@vax.clarku.edu> mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>Ok, I'm sitting here watching a repeat of the episode where "Broccoli" goes 
>nutso through the transporter beam.  Its obvious to me, for the first time, 
>you are quite alert while having your molecules zapped through space.
>
>Now in the next episode, Scotty is rescued after spending a good number of 
>years in the transporter.  Don't you think, besides the fact you might get a 
>little hungry if you were at least mentally alert for 75 years on end, 
>wouldn't you GO NUTS!?!?
>
>Just a thought.

In reality, I don't think you are conscious when in the transporter
beam; it merely *seems* that way.  (Yes, I have seen Realm of Fear).  When
your molecules are dissembled, you acutally lose consciousness, and hence
your sense of the passage of time.  You actually black out for a feew
seconds, but you never actually realize that a few seconds have passed,
since you were not in existence for those few seconds.
Chris