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From: dougb@comm.mot.com (DX529 Doug Bank)
Subject: Re: O'HARE
Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:02:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.210249.10473@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>, staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers) writes:
|> Plus, I can take the Pace bus #220 from Des Plaines to OHare.  Thats 
|> quicker for me (less than 90 minutes from Evanston) than the train (about
|> 1 hr 45 minutes to 2 hours from Evanston).  And the cost cannot be beat.
|> I think its a $1.50 for the train and $1.10 for the bus.  Directly downtown
|> to the loop from OHare is less than 60 minutes.

And if you actually have a car, it only takes about 25 minutes to get to Ohare
from Evanston, even though there is no direct highway between the two.  It only
takes 10-15 minutes from Schaumburg.  

The only bad experiences I have had occured out on the runway.  Being 30th in
line is not much fun. We also got stuck on the wrong side of the runway once.
It took 30 minutes before there was a gap between incoming flights long enough
for us to scoot across the runway.

-- 
Doug Bank                       Private Systems Division
dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com          Motorola Communications Sector
dougb@nwu.edu                   Schaumburg, Illinois
dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu       708-576-8207                    
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From: shekhar@unix1.cs.umass.edu (Ajay Shekhar)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,rec.travel
Subject: SALE : Anywhere in US to either LAS VEGAS or ORLANDO
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:05:21 GMT
Reply-To: shekhar@unix1.cs.umass.edu (Ajay Shekhar)
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

I have a coupon for two people (over 18)
to travel from anywhere in the US to either 
LAS VEGAS or ORLANDO, Florida. 

	I landed up in a bad deal, and got this
coupon when I can't afford to travel to either
place. The coupon is valid till March 24, 1993.
According to the price mentioned, it is worth
anywhere between $785 and $1100.

The CATCH :

*	It is being offered by a firm called
"Dreamscape Vacations". You have to stay in a
hotel in Las Vegas/Orlando for  a minimum of 7
days at $29.50 per room per night. They will do
the booking for you. You can stay longer if you
want.

*	You have to inform these people of your
travel iternary 45 days in advance. They will
book the tickets for you.

	Since I am in desperate need of money, I
want to dispose this coupon as early as
possible. Just name your price. For people
planning on a vacation to either of these
places, you can be sure I'll sell this at the
cheapest price of the available tickets minus
7 days  hotel expenses (that's $210). So in
effect, if you are willing to pay for the
cheapest tickets, you get 7 days hotel
accomodation free. Talk to me over e-mail, and I
may go even lower depending on the responses I
get.
	Of course, people living farthest
away from either of these places  stand to
gain the most.

MY CATCH : After going through one bad deal, I
will definitely NOT give the coupon till I am
assured  of the money. You can verify my
authenticity through any means you want.

My e-mail : shekhar@cs.umass.edu

I am a student at the Univ of Massachusetts,
Amherst.
I'll provide further deatils if required, to
those who corespond.
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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: Continental & unions
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 18:56:02 GMT

In article <rsoo6INNbj9@agate.berkeley.edu> mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl) writes:
>
>Eastern was found guilty of doctoring maintenance records to make it look
>as though they were doing regular repairs.  They were caught and were
>fined the largest fine in commerical airline history.  Then, several
>months later, they were caught doing it again!
>

Eastern's maintenance problems extended back _before_ Lorenzo took over the
airline.  This is one problem that cannot be blamed (soley) on Lorenzo.

RNA



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From: rhc52134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard)
Subject: Airline Food Survey
Keywords: Food, Survey
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:36:53 GMT

I am interested to do a survey on airline foods and I will post the result     
here. (This is just for fun.)       

Please send me your choices of best and worst airline foods. A short       
description will also be helpful. I am thinking of conducting two surveys,
one for American flights and one for International flights. (food served
on domestic flights will enter the American Flight survey, similarily for
International flights.)

To make life easier for me, please use the following format:
(you can copy this into your post and add your choices)

1. Best American Airlines:

Airline                    Short Description (optional)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1.


2.

......

(list at most 10 airlines, I don't think there are more than 10 airlines that
serves good food. :-))

2. Worst American Airlines:

Airline                    Short Description (optional)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------1.


2.

........


3. Best International Airlines:

Airline                    Short Description (optional)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1.

2.

.......


4. Worst International Airline:

Airline                    Short Description (optional)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1.

2.

.......


I don't want this survey to take forever so I will say, well today is
April 6, how about before April 20. I will wait till than and a summary
of all the responds I got. If you see this posting after April 20, you
can still post but that will not appear in this survey.

Please mail a copy of your responds to me, this way I will sure I won't miss 
anyone. ( I will try to collect all posted here but then I can't promise I
wont't miss anybody.) 


Entries need not be original, in fact, if you see any post you agrees with,
just make a copy and send it to me. BUT please don't agree with yourself
more than once. One entry from one person will be counted.
(If you later changed your mind about your respond, just send me a notice
with the corrections and I will take care of that.)

Thank all for your responds!
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Richard H Chiu, UI,Urbana-Champaign l                                           
e-mail:rhc52134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu    l
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Frequent Fliers
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:25:18 GMT

cjpaul@bahamas.ece.cmu.edu (Chakkalamattam J. Paul) wrote: 
->To my knowledge, Delta, Air France, British Airways, Lufthansa, Swiss Air,
->Singapore Airlines all fly to Bombay, and some of them supposedly have 
->tieups with US airlines for accumulating frequent flier miles.  If anyone
->has a FAQ file on frequent flier programs, that would help a lot.

air india is associated with TWA's frequent flyer bonus program.  

british airways is no longer associated with the ffb programs of any
us airline.  

if you felt sure about your TW mileage, you might fly on air india ...
british airways will give you a stopover in london (could be a nice
frolic).  

singapore is associated with AAdvantage, but only for specific fare
types and destinations.  

lufthansa is associated with mileage plus (at least).

yet another alternative: your miles are worth more when they're on the
carrier which owns the ffb program; fly united/northwest/continental
to the far east (NRT/HKG/SIN) and then fly an air india flight to
bombay.  the return trip would put you close to being a mileage plus
premier for the following year.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: nopporn@usc.edu (# W A N D E E #)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Courier Service
Date: 7 Apr 1992 19:35:13 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: mekab.usc.edu


I just want to know what is Courier Service. What is the general
restriction?



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From: AXLEROD@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Harvey Axlerod)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Airline food
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:50:34 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo


    As I understand it, there is a large variety of alternate meals on the
major airlines. I know this to be true of USAir and United. They include:
Kosher, Moslim, Hindu, Vegetarian, Low-fat, Low-salt, diabetic, low-glutin, and
SEA-FOOD. Most airline reps, particularly at the airports, seem oblivious to
these choices. I was once told, "gee sir, we heard about this in training, but
I haven't booked one in 6 months. Sorry, the line is long."
    You must book these meals 24 hrs in advance. My mother claims the seafood
meal is quite OK. I usually opt for Kosher. A warning about Kosher: it is *not*
prepared by the airline, but is bought as a frozen dinner from a glatt (ULTRA)
Kosher company caterer. Be sure to flag the flight attendant early, and insist
that they be properly heated.  BTW, there is no charge for any of these meals.
From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Continental Airlines
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:47:01 GMT
Organization: Help!

In <1992Apr7.044408.16043@cs.ucla.edu> tj@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Tom Johnson) writes:

>What's the current fiscal status of Continental?  Are they considered
>prime candidates for bankruptcy?

Well, they are officially bankrupt  .... at least, they're in Chapter 11
bankruptcy attempting to reorganize.  Most observers expect them to
survive Chapter 11, at least in the short run, but they're no sure thing.

>I ask because I just discovered that for a MKE->LAX roundtrip flight,
>booked 30 days in advance, Easy-Sabre quotes a fare of only $149.  The
>next lowest is $392, on NW, Delta, etc....Any idea why Continental is
>so low in comparison? 

Desperate need to attract customers?  Just is, that's all.  

Its very unlikely they'll collapse during the summer, which is peak season
for the airlines.  But you probably should use a credit card for Continental
ticket purchase if possible.

Greg  
-- 
  spira@panix.com       "The one-O delivery to Fisk.  He swings.  Long drive,  
 cmcl2!panix!spira      left field!  If it stays fair, it's gone!  Home Run!"  
158-17 Riverside Dr.                     Ned Martin, 10/22/75   
Whitestone NY 11357          (Insert your favorite baseball moment here) 
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: AMEX coupons, longest flight
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:06:15 GMT

In article <rsimdINNb0i@agate.berkeley.edu> mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl) writes:
>To get the AMEX coupons, you need to apply for an AMEX card as a student.
>They have a special short form that they distribute at colleges...but
>you might try calling AMEX.  The yearly fee is $55 but if you fly at least
>once, you make up for it.

>Current AMEX tickets are for travel on Continental.  Continental is currently
>in bankruptcy, which explains the low regular fares.  The inflight service
>is pretty sparse.

>Another note:  Continental is the "sister" airline of former Eastern.
>Eastern tried to bust its union members, so some of us have qualms about
>flying an airline in the same company (or at least have liberal guilt).

You can use these coupons on USAir, with essentially the same
restrictions that Continental places on them.  The code to tell USAir
(or the travel agent) is "H/CO AMEX STUDENT".
-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: jacko@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Jacko)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Longest Segment (was Welcome/etc.)
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:51:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr7.174453.10806@husc3.harvard.edu> percus@scws6.harvard.edu (Allon Percus) writes:
>In article <rsodmINNbi7@agate.berkeley.edu> spanga@yocomputo (Span Grad Asst) writes:
>>On the same subject, are there any nonstop flights from South
>>America to Africa. Say Buenos Aires-Johannesburg, South Africa.
>
>No, I believe they all make a stop somewhere about mid-way.
>
>Seriously, though, I know there are Rio-Cape Town flights.

I believe the longest nonstop routes are NYC-Johannesburg, flown by SAA.
(sanctions permitting).

Jacko.
From: mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Airline food
Date: 16 Apr 1992 17:07:54 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley, Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu
Originator: mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU

As long as everyone requests their special meals in advance, I don't
think that there's any danger of depriving someone of their airline
food.

Flew United and for vegetarians they gave me a choice of dairy or non-dairy!
Wow!

mitja@hera.berkeley.edu
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: USair
Date: 16 Apr 1992 16:38:04 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <1992Apr16.024803.6915@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, jacko@cbnewsl.cb.att.com 
|>   Incidentally, the name was "People Express".  Singular.

Wasn't it actually "Peoplexpress" ?  I'm sure I saw some ads with
that spelling.  I never had the privilege [??] of actually using
it, however.

Also, was there ever an actual airline called "Texas Air" or was
this just a holding company for other airlines?  If the former,
when did it stop flying under that name?

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
From: ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Tell you something..(aircraft efficiency)
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:35:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr7.233543.12528
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology


 
In article <13849@star.cs.vu.nl> bert@cs.vu.nl (Menting BL) writes:
 >Hmm, anybody does know that travelling by air is very bad for the
 >environment (one flight is as bad as a whole year travel by car)
 >unless your a bird..

I disagree. It is generally true that larger forms of passenger  
transportation are more efficient in terms of energy expended *per
person*. This is true when regarding buses, trains, or planes against  
automobiles.

Consider a widebody with 300 people on board from BOS to LAX. The plane  
may expend upwards of 15000 gallons of fuel for the trip. This travel for  
300 people by car would cost more. Besides that, who wants to take a week  
to make the trip when it takes 5-6 hours by plane. Also, why travel on  
transoceanic trips in some form other than by air?

Of course, planes don't always run full [I was LAX -> ORD in a UAL DC-10  
with 5 people aboard once], but, on the average, planes are more  
efficient.

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From: carter@spot.Colorado.EDU (Mike Carter)
Subject: Re: FAQ
Summary: Problems with the FAQ
Keywords: faq problems
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:13:44 GMT

How dated is the material found in the recent FAQ post?  Who maintains
this information?  The reason for the question, I was speaking to my travel
agent (also my wife) about the contents and found several problems with the
information.  For starters, the section on children's fares, not `lap riders'
(according to my wife and several of the other agents at her agency) may
not reflect reality.  As of yesterday, she had a difficult time finding ANY
discounted children's fares.  The exception being on trips to Hawaii many
airlines were giving a $100 discount for kids.

I'm going to print out the FAQ and let her at it.  I'll post the results if
there is interest!

On an unrelated note.  With all the talk of how to fly/travel cheap, wanna
know a secret, marry a travel agent :-)  Worked for me!  

-- 
				- Mike
				  carter@spot.Colorado.EDU
From: jacko@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Jacko)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: More about BUMPS
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:42:31 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr9.134239.25174@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> jch@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (jeffrey.c.halle) writes:
>From article <1946@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, by ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host):
>> I was bumped on Continental when it was People's Express.
>That's pretty tough to do, since Continental never had anything to do with
>People Express.  Though in many ways they were similar.

Just FYI, Texas Air (parent of CO and EA) purchased People Express Inc in 
December 1986.  People Express, New York Air, and perhaps the remains of
Denver-based Frontier Airlines (owned by PE) were merged into Continental
in February of 1987.  As part of the merger, PE operations were moved from
the North terminal at Newark to Terminal B, joining all other CO/EA ops there.
For a long time (maybe 1 year thereafter) People Express still legally existed 
and was "marketed" under the CO logo.  (Because of FAA regs requiring PE planes,
crew, manuals, etc. to be "recertificated", whatever that means).  Even today
you can go out to EWR and see some CO 727's in the old PE beige livery with
just the tail, hull stripe, and company name changed to Continental.  The old
737's would be the same way except they all had to have the paint stripped off
them for inspection after the Aloha accident.

Nowadays Continental is a pretty good airline, certainly no worse than United
or US Air.

Jacko.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: eckhouse@athena.mit.edu (D. Noah Eckhouse)
Subject: Student Discounts
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:40:41 GMT

A few more tips for you airfare junkies out there (myself included!):

USAir just bought the Trump Shuttle from Boston/NYC.  They're having a
big frequent flyer bonus for flying on the shuttle between now and
June (or July)...:  1,000 miles per trip, double mileage until summer,
and 5,000 bouns miles for your first flight on the shuttle.

So, one roundtrip bags you 9,000 miles, halfway to a free roundtrip
ticket.  Not bad.  The reservationist also told me something else:
(which I had never heard before...)  USAir has a student discount of
10% off of almost every fare they have.  You just gotta ask.  The
roundtrip on the shuttle ends up costing ~ $110.  Not bad.

Keep working those angles, folks!

=====================================
Noah Eckhouse
America^3 Foundation and
MIT Department of Ocean Engineering
77 Massachusetts Avenue, Room 1-225
Cambridge, MA  02139
617/253-5900  eckhouse@athena.mit.edu
From: michele@apex.yorku.ca (Michele Marques)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: More about BUMPS
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:15:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: York University, Help Services, CCS


In article <1992Apr8.171218.14080@ryn.mro4.dec.com> bechtler@asdg.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler) writes:


>   Yes, the 24-hour thing often true, but they are not restricting the 
>   number of seats as they are with low-fare deals.  At least that is what
>   I was told on Northwest.  So unless the flight is absolutely full it's
>   not a problem.  Same with freq-flyer deals, they will pretty much get
>   you on if the flight is not full.  That's why you can't make reservations
>   any earlier...they make it late enough that they're pretty sure that 

American Airlines doesn't put this 24-hour restriction on their freq. flier
flights.  I've reserved a freq. flier flight months in advance during peak
season (July-August in BC).

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From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: ID (was: Continental Tix)
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Distribution: usa
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:11:08 GMT

In article <121968@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> slim@tazdevil.llnl.gov (Scott Whitman) writes:
>
>With all this talk about getting ID'd at the gate, does anyone know if
>a student ID is necessary, or just a driver's license?  I got some leftover
>AMEX coupons but I already graduated.  I still have my student ID but
>I wasn't sure what the policy is.

In general,  *anything* will work.  I  once used  a  non-picture check
cashing card  from a supermarket.   But don't have   a wallet  full of
stuff and only be able to produce one  item  with the appropriate name
on it.  Borrow a  couple of things  your friend will  be able  to live
without.  Perhaps an old bill, a check cashing card, a library card...

					reb
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