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From: mendes@banjo.cs.uiuc.edu (Celso Luiz Mendes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Question about TV Channel Systems in USA, Brazil, Japan [English]
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:31:49 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Picasso Group, DCS, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

In article <p#yntkn.truett@netcom.com>, truett@netcom.com (Truett Smith) writes:
|> As to comparing the TV standards for the USA, Brazil, and Japan -- the World
|> Radio-TV Handbook has a nice table of this kind of data.  All three use the
|> NTSC modulation system with 525 lines per frame.  However, the US and Japan
|> use 30 frames per second while Brazil is the only NTSC system in the world

This is WRONG. Brazil does NOT use NTSC. The official standard in Brazil
is PAL-M, which differs from NTSC for the color coding scheme, but it is
also 30fps. You just loose color going from one system to the other.

|> which uses 25 fps (probably because they use 50Hz power?).  I don't know
|> if that would affect the VCR, but it might.

Power supply is 60Hz all around Brazil. The only variation is in the voltage
level. In some places it is 220V (Brasilia), but in most large cities it is
110V (Rio, S.Paulo, ...).

|> 
|> Truett Smith, Sunnyvale, CA
|> 

-Celso

-- 
Celso Luiz Mendes                 Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
E-mail: mendes@cs.uiuc.edu          Dep. Computer Science , DCL-3244
phone # : (217)333-6561 - office ,  (217)367-7355 - home
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
From: bjr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Filtz)
Subject: Student activists
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 12:50:35 GMT



First, I apologize for this not being in portuguese. 
I have been reading about the student involvement in the question of
impeachment. It lifts my spirit and increases my hopes for the continued
sucess of the freely elected government of Brazil. The involvement of the
students is necessary if there is any chance for Brazil to remain free.
The process of peaceful change is the greatest strength of an elected
government. Good luck in your efforts to make your government of the
people.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
From: glauber@vpnet.chi.il.us (Glauber Ribeiro)
Subject: Re: Patria minha
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 06:35:48 GMT

"Libertas que sera' tambem"

Quanto tempo!

E quanto tempo que um poema nao me fazia tao bem. Obrigado
por colocar isto na rede.

Eta, que so' falar em rede da' saudade...


						Glauber


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  email: glauber@vpnet.chi.il.us
  big files and uuencoded stuff: gmribeir@david.wheaton.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.japan
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: Question about TV Channel Systems in USA, Brazil, Japan [English]
Originator: kevinh@mira
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:24:35 GMT


In article <1992Sep13.191242.20434@wheaton.wheaton.edu>, gmribeir@david.wheaton.edu (Glauber) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep11.193034.3482@newshost.unh.edu> rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso) writes:
|> >In article <SANTOS.92Sep10154456@melon.mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp> santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &) writes:
|> >>The question is: A TV or VCR buyed in Japan can receive the channels of
|> >>USA TV and/or Brazilian TV ? I am not speaking of BS or other sattelite 
|> >>systems, just normal broadcasting channels.
|> >>If you know or had some experience in it, please e-mail me.
|> >
|> >I know the U.S. and Japan use the same technology for VCR/VCR tapes. I'm
|> >pretty sure most of No/So America use the same technology for TV's, but I
|> >don't have 1st-hand knowledge about that.
|> >
|> 
|> There are 2 systems, with many variants. US and Japan use
|> NTSC. Europe uses PAL.

And SECAM(a variant of PAL?). Different versions of PAL are used, mainly 
PAL-I and PAL-G.

|> The conversion between the 2 types is straightforward and
|> cheap. My brother once assembled a converter (they are
|> called "transcoders" or something like that) with simple
|> electronic parts.

The situation is also complicated  by the different voltage supplies
available in different countries. A number of suppliers (Eg Sony, Grundig) have
a multistandard TV (PAL-I, PAL-G, SECAM, NTSC etc.) with the possibility
to be used with supply voltages from 110-260V, i.e. any tv standard in
any country.

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
From: sispas@lsil.com (Steve Ispas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: internet in Romania
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:28:44 GMT
Reply-To: sispas@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

Does anybody know if there is internet in Romania?  I am assuming they don't have it yet, since I don't see any articles from there.  But does anyone know if they may get in the near future.  Any information is welcome.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: acarstea@icaen.uiowa.edu (Alin-Andrei Carsteanu)
Subject: Re: Gipsies / Jews and other "natiuni conlocuitoare"
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:21:18 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

I think, Mr. George Haber, that Radu Tomescu specifically referred to
language like "asskisser" (originally: CUR LINGAU) when he said, he
had been hoping we finally had got rid of violent language in the news-
group. This has nothing to do with whether or not there is a "primitive
capitalism" in Romania or whatever you answered there...
	Alin
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: zoelen@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl
Subject: Thanks very much
Organization: Leiden University Faculty of Social Sciences
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:53:01 +0100

In article <1992Sep4.150952.1@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl>, zoelen@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl writes:
> can anybody help me to make a small translation from romanian into english
> or dutch or german? it's only a few lines...

everybody: thank you very much for your offers... i got so many :)
and i only needed one...

just one more question. i always thought there were no romanian
people at this network because this newsgroup is always empty.
where did all these reactions come from then? obviously everybody
just reads this, nobody writes..... with elections coming soon etcetera...
in a country where so much is to be done yet, why not?
i don't quite understand i guess.. please tell me (here :)

regards, ad van zoelen

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:16:05 -0400 
From: Radu Eugen Edelstein <re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: New names (was: Re: Table after 5 rounds)
	<ns.716276127@csd>

>Old name:			New name:

>B-dul Ilie Pintilie		B-dul Iancu de Hunedoara
>B-dul Gh. Gheorghiu Dej		B-dul Mihai Kogalniceanu
>B-dul Victoria Socialismului	B-dul Unirii
>Bulevardul 1848			B-dul I. C. Bratianu

Bulevardul 1848              B-dul I.C.Bratianu  ?1?

More correct would have been:

Bulevardul 1848              B-dul 1989  :-)


Rad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: porayath@IASTATE.EDU (Rajiv Porayath)
Subject: Re: CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK
Reply-To: porayath@IASTATE.EDU (Rajiv Porayath)
Organization: Iowa State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 22:59:41 GMT

    > ===============================
>  irfan@maxwell.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan) writes:
> 
> >THE CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK   
> >(Especially for Christians)
> >STATEMENT OF INTENTION
> >
> >"Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful instruction;
> >and reason with them in ways that are best and most gracious:"  
>      ------
> >(Qur'an 16:125)
> 
> 
> 	 Sir, what is your "reason?"
> 	 And, what is your message?
> 	 Are you certain, that you are in the right newsgroups? 
> 	 Life, and therefore time, is precious. So, be brief.
> 
> 
> >Ship Example:
> >-------------
> >We, Muslims, are told by Prophet of Islam, Muhammad (ASM), that a time will
> >come when Christians will eventually join the ranks of Islam by purifying 
> >their faith.  We are also told in the Most-Wise Qur'an 
> >that the closest people to
> >Muslims in friendship will be those Christians who are devoted to learning
of
> >the truth, who are not arrogant, and who have denounced the world.  With
these
> >information and guidance in mind, we regard 
> >our Christian friends as travelling
> >in a ship called "Christianity" in the dark, stormy waters of Western
> >materialist ideologies and atheism.  However, we see 
> >that this ship is sinking,
> >and groups of people are committing suicide by jumping out into those dark
> >waters.  The ship is sinking because some people inside have been opening up
> >holes in it out of their own various reasons, and because secular
philosophies
> >outside have been torpedoing it harshly.  We, Muslims, do not want to sink
the
> >ship, rather we want to patch up its holes, throw away all the poisonous
> >weights in it, and change its name to Islam, whose captain will be Jesus
(AS)
> >himself, InsaAllah Teala!  . The Message of All Prophets
> > were all same:  'There is no god but Allah.'
> 





      Is this not ironical that muslims can ridicule other religions and it 
is OKAY,but " Satanical Verses" which is classified as a friction earns the
author a death penalty.Who is uncivilised and barbaric,hope the Koran did not
teach you to be so.


-RAJIV PORAYATH
From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Gipsies / Jews and other "natiuni conlocuitoare"
Date: 8 Sep 1992 08:50:49 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <keeMCgC00WB61QKHtE@andrew.cmu.edu> re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Radu Eugen Edelstein) writes:

>Gypsy "bisnitari" offer those products there is a demand for.  Their
>"hgh bisnita prices" are actually the real price consumers are willing
>to pay.  Prices could go down if there is more supply, but only recently
>other groups [than Gypsies] started entering the market.  They are
>considered "legitimate" merely because they are not Gypsies and, as always,
>when it will come to the Government's taking some "ordine" actions, Gypsies
>will be attacked.

I wonder Rad, how many times did you buy from such people?  How many times 
were you asked to exchange money with them, and if you ever did it?

From my experience, I found out that they take advantage of the fact that
people have desires to get what they do not find.  The products you buy
from them are most often counterfeit, and if they can sell you a suit that
would fall apart tomorrow they will do it.  So, from the economical point
of view they do not provide the needs, but rather take advantage of the 
human desires.  Since way back they used to sell gold nad silver that will
turn green within weeks, know they sell jeans and others.  You'll say this
the demand/supply economics, and I cannot say no to it.  However, if we are
to get ahead as a nation we should have enough pride to break out of playing
tricks with each other.

Sasha Bucur
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Gipsies / Jews and other "natiuni conlocuitoare"
Date: 5 Sep 1992 16:49:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <Bu38FG.H0H@well.sf.ca.us> timis@well.sf.ca.us (Dan Timis) writes:
>Anyone who associates a particular trait to an ethnic group is making racist
>remarks (Note that I did not say "is a racist").

I think your definition of what a "racist remark" purports to be is too
general. Under it, "Romanians are taller that Bulgarians" is a racist
remark; and so is "Exposed to sun, Swdes tend to develop skin cancer more
often that Burkina Fassoans."
To me at least, a racist remark is using statistical data to "show" some
inferiority of a race when compared to other, by assuming that particu-
lar inferiority as innate...
If someone said: "Gypsies are bad; look at the crime statistics; these
people are born thiseves", that would be incontrovertibly racist.
If someone says: "Due to their past and present socio-economic status
Gupsies tend to steal more that Romanians" then, this person is not
making a racist remark...

>Even if statistics would clearly show that 90% of the Gypsies are thieves
>and only 10% are honest and 90% of non-Gypsies are honest and 10% are thieves,
>when I want to "associate" with somebody I want to make sure he/she is not a
>thief, and I totally disregard any ethnic origin in my assessment of his/her
>honesty.

Absolutely correct; basing your assesment of an individual on group statistics
is racist.

Cheers!
 
-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics

Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: MITU@TOROLAB5.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: Cum se poate publica pentru s.c.r
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:02:22 GMT

Dragi Romani:

Pentru ca am observat ca nu toata lumea poate sa publice un
articol in mod direct pentru soc.culture.romanian, (unii s-au plins
deja) vreau sa impartasesc cu voi metoda mea.

Pur si simplu trimiteti articolul via e-mail la urmatoarea adresa:
       soc.culture.romanian@news.cis.ohio-state.edu
Acolo va fi primit de un serviciu automat si publicat in soc.culture.romanian.
Metoda lucreaza pentru orice alt newsgroup - numai inlocuiti
soc.culture.romanian cu numele altui grup.

Inca un sfat pentru cei care sint mai noi pe Internet sau Usenet:
  Va rog sa nu publicati articole de 'test' pe grupurile normale. Exista
un grup special pentru acest scop, anume alt.test. Daca puneti ceva acolo,
veti primi mesaje din toate colturile lumii aratindu-va cum a ajuns mesajul
vostru acolo. Dar, mai important, nu veti necajii pe cititorii nici unui
grup de discutii.

Noroc si sanatate!
Adrian

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From: sispas@lsil.com (Steve Ispas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: gypsies
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:24:42 GMT
Reply-To: sispas@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation


As far as your other article is concerned the gypsies problem is not very easy to explain.  I am sure that a lot of romanians don't have the answer.  As you probably know people are prejudist(sp) everywhere.  They hate each other for the most ridiculous reasons in the world - like their hair or skin color being different.  Therefore, understanding human nature and human psychology would help understand these kind of questions.  I personally think that gypsies are like anybody else, I don't think that any r



ace or nation can be blamed as being no good; that's ridiculous.  On the other hand it may be true that a higher percentage of gypsies live in poverty, steal, commit crime etc. than other races.  But this has to do with the environment, society and so on.  This seems to be an interesting subject. I was borned and raised in Romania (until the age of 17) but this issue is still very unclear to me because I don't like to jump to conclusions too fast. If interested I'll be happy to discuss about this subject.



Anybody with more comments?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici)
Subject: Bulgarian minority in Moldova 
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 04:30:34 GMT

I repost this article from clari:

___________________________________________________________________________


	SOFIA, Bulgaria (UPI) -- Bulgarian and Moldavian presidents Zhelyu
Zhelev and Milche Snegur Monday signed a friendship and cooperation
treaty which guarantees the rights of ethnic Bulgarians living in
Moldova.
	The treaty recognises the existence of a Bulgarian minority in
Moldova and stipulates that the Moldovan authorities will, in accordance
with international standards, work to preserve and develop its ethnic,
linguistic, cultural and religious identity.
	Since communism in Bulgaria collapsed in 1989, the fate of Bulgarians
living within the borders of the former Soviet Union has become a
publicly debated issue.
	Bulgaria claims there are over 150,000 ethnic Bulgarians living in
Moldova but at the news conference following the signing ceremony Snegur
gave the number as 89,000.
	Bulgarian President Zhelev praised the Moldovans for their 
``understanding towards this important -- for Bulgaria -- problem.''
	The Moldovan president said that the treaty represents a solid legal
foundation for relations between the two countries. He said that it will
be followed by other specific economic and trade agreements.
	Bulgaria already has signed a friendship and cooperation treaty with
Russia and foreign ministry officials have said that similar treaties
are being negotiatiated with the Ukraine and Belarus.
From: re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Radu Eugen Edelstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Gipsies / Jews and other "natiuni conlocuitoare"
Date: 9 Sep 92 05:56:05 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Sasha, if there was no demand for the products the Gypsies wanted
to sale, why did Gypsies come back to do their business every day ?

You write:
I never bought anything from them since I knew was not of quality and I knew
I cannot trust them with money.  I heard many stories from foreigners being
taken in by money tricks.  What it hurt me when I was there is that the
foreigners learned about Romanians what they showed to them.  I felt
embarrassed to tell them whom they dealt with.

As a customer one should have doubts upon entering *any* transaction.
Nevertheless, societyis based on trade.
"Whom they dealt with"...  Why are we soooo superior to others ?
Immaculate, un-corruptable, show-cases of moral principles and
correctitude?  Why is our own way of living the "right" one ?
Why do we try to "show the light" to others ?
I had friends and acquaintences from verry different social and
ethnical groups and I learned that the world I was living in
wasn't perfect.  One has three alternatives: to adapt, to dedicate
for making the changes one considers necessary, or to continuously
complain.  It's easy to adapt, it takes effort to produce a change
(and favorable circumstances), and complaining leads nowhere.
Rad
From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Gipsies / Jews and other "natiuni conlocuitoare"
Date: 10 Sep 1992 10:03:36 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <sefN7pe00WB4BPSbZS@andrew.cmu.edu> re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Radu Eugen Edelstein) writes:

>wasn't perfect.  One has three alternatives: to adapt, to dedicate
>for making the changes one considers necessary, or to continuously
>complain.  It's easy to adapt, it takes effort to produce a change
>(and favorable circumstances), and complaining leads nowhere.

I do not believe this.  I think that only by trying to better ourselves
constantly we can hope to better our life, and that of those that come
after us.  Why did the French revolution happened?  Why did they not 
adapt to the way of life of the middle ages?

I took your points in, I would try to learn from them (not over night
but in time).  I complain in my way and others have their right to 
say I am crazy, stupid, etc.  Each one of our action changes something
so long as we believe in something and try to show to others that.
One of the things why the Romanian society ended up so badly under
the communists is that nobody complained out loud.  Most people
had chosen to stay silent and cover let things fall by the way side.

Sasha Bucur


Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: acarstea@icaen.uiowa.edu (Alin-Andrei Carsteanu)
Subject: Re: Gipsies / Jews and other "natiuni conlocuitoare"
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:58:16 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

I want to make a more general remark on this subject:
My impression is that modern society, modern economy and so on
are asking for serious sacrifice in the area of traditional life.
Unlike other changes in history, the ones in our time are unpre-
cedentedly fast. I had some gipsy friend, and I know that spiri-
tually, he never adapted to what we call "modern society", although
he was an outstanding intellectual.
And there are things, believe me, to which I would rather not adapt,
with even the risk of not being on the side of the "survivors for
the FutureWorld". (Mind the capitals...)

	Alin
From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Romania 3rd in Math Olympiad
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:18:52 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <BuHrF9.A8o@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> dbirsan@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Dorian) writes:
>  I thought this post would somehow change the current topic about
>      Gypsies, yet one might ask himself/herself whether there
>      was any Gypsy in the team ... :-)

 Right on.

What I am surprised of is the high position of the USA team.  I am quite
proud of the Romanians (we always have been up there in this competition).

My girlfriend is a teacher in grammar school (6th grade) and I am quite 
surprised that the level of math can be so high in USA in comparisson
with the kids in her class.

Sasha
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