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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:34:03 EST
From: <RXK110@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Missing scene in EMPIRE?

I'm sorry if this is a thread discussed before but I just ran across an old
comic version of ESB (I think its a Marvel comic and it's pretty big but I
don't have it on me).  Anyway, I goes alone with the movie scene for scene
lifting alot of dialog from the script too.  Near the beginning there is a
small subplot going on for a few frames about the Hoth base getting warmer and
a bunch of the snow creatures like the one that attacked Luke (Wompas? - its
been a log time) get loose and have to be fought off...
Does anybody know if this was actually ever filmed or was even in the script?

Thanks
RICK
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:57:35 -0500 
From: Joshua Jacob Prinsky <jp67+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: star wars for cd-rom
	<1993Jan20.054924.4595@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>

I've heard  about the star wars game coming soon for cd-rom, has any one
seen it?  What is it like?  what is the object? Is it a simulator,RPG or
Arcade game?  when will it be released and for how much?  By the way, 
my brother got super starwars for snes, and i played it over winter
brake when I went home.  Its incredible!  If you own a SNES, you must
pick up a copy of the game.
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From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Subject: Re: Where are:
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:53:04 GMT

In article <8863@news.duke.edu> fls@econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) writes:
> Homefront

is on hiatus.  People here were talking about a letter
writing campaign, but I don't really know what's up. 

> Middle Ages?

Only the 6 hours shown were made (why do they make 6 hour
samples of shows these days?).  I loved it as a
mini-series, but I wonder if it'd make it as a real series. 
I was satisfied with the ending and sad I hadn't taped the
whole thing. :-(

ab
From: mjc@cats.ucsc.edu (Matthew Jude Cunningham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: THX/ Laserdiscs
Date: 23 Jan 1993 22:34:28 GMT
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   I have heard the rumors going around about the boxed set of Star Wars
remastered in THX. I called around to my local laserdisc store, and they 
tell me it is an unconfirmed rumor. They say that it might happen. I am
curious on how this rumor got out. Please e-mail at mjc@cats.ucsc.edu

Thanks.


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From: pjs4h@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Peter Joshua Stathis)
Subject: Re: Harpoons (and At-Ats)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:32:58 GMT

this is way off the subject , but I just wanted to interject
that I am glad Im not the only one who suffers from the "I KNOW
I saw the Biggs scene" syndrome. and that concludes this
meeting of the Neurotic Star Wars Fan's Support Group.
Goodnight and drive safely.
 				SKEET
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
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Subject: Re: Imperial Fleet
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:16:41 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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haywire@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (the Insane One) writes:


>Does anyone have any idea on how large the Entire Imperial Fleet is??
>And how many different types of ships there are??

>All I know is there are three known types
>1. super star destroyer
>2. command star destroyer
>3. star destroyer
>4. cruiser???

Well, the majority of both the Imperial and Rebel fleets are seen
in Jedi.  It consists mainly of a bunch of Star Destroyers (how many?
I dunno...) along with their complement of Tie Fighters.

Like in the US Navy, a very small number of ships can control a large
territory.  I mean, how many aircraft carriers do we have?  Like 5?
And probably a similar number of active Battleships...  of course,
we have smaller ships: destroyers, frigates, etc. too.

keith
From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Harrison Ford Movies
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:28:28 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
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In article <1k3pgeINN7r6@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> drue@citi.umich.edu writes:
:--------
:
:>Well, I can remember the following, but it ain't a definitive full list:
:
:> American Graffiti
:> Star Wars
:> Hanover Street (I think?)
:> Raiders of the Lost Ark
:> The Empire Strikes Back
:> Witness
:> Blade Runner
:> Indiana Jones and the Temple of Toom
:> Return of the Jedi
:> Working Girl
:> Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
:> Presumed Innocent (and the forgettable mystery thriller before that)
:> Regarding Henry
:> Patriot Games

:>I think I only remembererd the good ones :-)
:
:>I wanna add the "Guns of Navarone" (sp?) but I am not sure it it is correct.
:
:Hanover Street yes.
:Force 10 from Navarone (Guns of Navarone starred Gregory Peck and Anthony
:                        Quinn...among others).

He was also in 'The Frisco Kid' (with Gene Wilder).

Anyone know if he's going to be in the next one of the movies based on
Clancy's books?

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman 

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At: University of Minnesota, Duluth
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Last lines...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:49:58 GMT

(Proust) writes:


>Has anyone noticed that in all three movies, Chewbacca has the last
>line? (well, he goes awwwahrrr, in any case) It's pretty faint in
>Return of the Jedi, but it's there...


It's Wookiee for "I'll be back."   :-)



                             --Steve Stelter
                               sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: The other Yoda spoke of
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:08:58 GMT

bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:


>While I still agree that the "other" in TESB is Leia, there is still one
>thing that bothers me about this:  If Ben was the one who hid Luke and
>Leia, why did Ben say that Luke was their last hope?  Why didn't he
>consider Leia?  Did Yoda realize that Leia could help them if Luke
>failed, while Ben didn't?  If so, why didn't Ben think this?

>(Okay, I know the real reason is that Lucas hadn't decided that Leia
>would be Luke's sister until they were making RotJ, but I'm looking
>for a good reason that fits in with the movies.)

Some possibilities:

1.  Ben, for whatever reason, does not consider Leia a viable candidate
    for the job of Jedi Knight.  Perhaps she has some big personality
    flaw that we don't get to see, or perhaps Ben feels she'd be more
    useful to the Rebellion as a political figure than as a Jedi, or
    perhaps Ben made a promise to Leia's foster father long ago that
    he wouldn't get Leia involved in all this Jedi business when she
    got older, or something like that.  Yoda, however, likes to keep
    all his options open, and still considers Leia a candidate for
    Jedi Knighthood if Luke doesn't pan out.

2.  By the time of the Battle of Hoth, the war between the Alliance and
    the Empire is really cookin', and things are starting to move pretty
    fast.  (Remember, there's only about six months between the Battle
    of Hoth and the Battle of Endor, which more or less decided who was
    going to win the war.)  Ben feels that Luke is the "last hope" because
    if Luke screws up, there won't be enough time to give Leia the 
    training she needs to confront Vader and the Emperor; without Luke,
    the Rebellion will be crushed before Leia will get the chance to
    become a Jedi.

3.  Ben is senile, and has totally forgotten that Leia exists. ;-)


                          --Steve Stelter
                            sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: follick@hydra.unm.edu (Joshua Follick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Droids in Clone Wars?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 07:42:55 GMT
Organization: Paintball Underground
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In article <93013.035139GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>his memory wiped.  Remember, he said, "He (R2) says he's the property of
>Obi-Wan Kenobi...Frankly, sir, I don't know what he's talking about.  Our last
>master was Captain Antilles."  Unless this was another of those curious 3PO
>lies.  And what does R2 mean by this anyway?  I always thought he was just
>saying that to complete the Princess' mission.  But maybe this was part of his
>programming coming back to haunt him, old memories of the Clone Wars that had
>been forgotten.  Or anyone of these characters (C-3PO, R2, or Kenobi) could
>have been lying at any given point.  In any case, it's a lot for the audience
>to figure out if the droids just pop up as Kenobi's property in the Clone Wars.
>
>                                               --Eric

   Clearly, Leah "gave" R2 to Obi Wan, when she sent him the message,
via R2. I don't know why you people have to make these things
any more complicated than they have to be. 
-- 
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From: craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin)
Subject: Re: THX Laserdiscs
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:02:15 GMT

(Not related to Star Wars, but...)

Josh Ling says....
>Having seen the extra 40 minutes of footage from the recut Abyss I would
>suggest that anyone who enjoyed the original release of the Abyss should
>consider getting the special edition.  There is a rather nifty effect in
>it that ILM went back to and finished for the release. Hopefully they
>will release the film to theaters for awhile....

      What is included in the new release?  Is the "tidal wave" scene
  from the novelization included?  More importantly, is the new cut
  available on VHS?

    (Still waiting for Special Edition _Aliens_ on VHS.  Grrr....)

-- 

Craig Coffin          |  "Try not.  Do, or do not.  There is no try."
craig@odie.cs.mun.ca  |       -- Yoda, TESB
From: rpr6741@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Rhino)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Harpoons (and At-Ats)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:00:13 GMT
Reply-To: rpr6741@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology


   Yep...I remember referring to the Scout Walker as a "Ckicken Walker"!
Also, if I remember correctly, didn't the "Chicken Walker" destroy the
Rebel's power generator?  I seem to recollect this, but haven't seen TESB
in quite a while (months!)


Rhino Rogers
(no .sig yet, but I'm working on it!)
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From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: Re:THE SHOE IS DEAD (was: Silly Rumour
Originator: cmgeorg@c00565-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:26:34 GMT


In article <mtrebel1-210193114052@mac13.trotter1.swarthmore.edu>, 
  mtrebel1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matt Trebelhorn) writes:
|>
|>Is there anything to the rumour that a potato and a tennis shoe appear in
|>the rebel armada at the end of ROTJ?
|>We recently watched it in our dorm and a friend mentioned this rumour,
|>which we weren't able to confirm.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.
|>==Matt
|>

Well, as a previous chief deffender of the faith, I posted quite a few times
on when and where the "shoe" is.  I have not heard of the "potato" (or is that
"potatoe" -since last night it doesn't matter anymore does it? 8-)  )

ANYWAY, back to the subject.  It seems like what looks like the bottom/side
of an old tennis shoe turns out to be a full-fledged Mon Calamarian cruiser
thanks to letterboxing.  If you have the regular pan and scan version (like
me) then you may fight over this with everybody.  A reliable source (after
quite a lengthly battle) told me that I was seeing a shoe bacause of P&S.
(i.e. if you see the movie the way it was intended, the "shoe" is just an
illusion created by the clipping of the sides of the picture.

If you're still curious and have the regular P&S version, the shoe comes at
the part during the battle when Wedge says: "Cut to the left, I'll take the 
leader."  Right after this, from his perspective you see a TIE blow up, 
then IMMEDIATELY afterward you fly up toward the "shoe". The angle is a little
hard to grasp and you do need a 4-head VCR w/ variable speed slo-mo, but since 
it's not a shoe it really doesn't matter anymore.

Gee, and it was such fun while it lasted.  I wish it really WAS a shoe.  If 
it is, you guys can blame Josh.  He told me I was seeing things until I mailed 
him the frozen clip of that part.  Then he told me about the magic of Pan and 
Scan and how you can see the whole SHIP on the LTBX version.  And then my mom 
called me and told me my goldfish was dead. 8-)

-chris

 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 +      Chris Georgoulias                                                    +
 + North Carolina State University                                           +
 +     cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu                                                  +
 +                                                                           +
 + "Aah... who cares about school...who cares about life...who cares about   +
 +  me.  Not me, that's for sure!  Look!...(punches himself in the head)..   +
 +  ...I just don't care!"                                                   +
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Organization: Miskatonic University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:26:32 EST
From: Brian Panulla, MooCow <BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Imperial Fleet
 <1jtondINNope@shelley.u.washington.edu> <1993Jan24.145518@cogs.sussex.ac.uk>
 <1junvtINNhiq@bigboote.WPI.EDU>

In article <1junvtINNhiq@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, haywire@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (the Insane
One) says:
>
>In article <1993Jan24.145518@cogs.sussex.ac.uk> richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk       d
>(Richar
>Salter) writes:
>
>>It could move couldn't it? Well, it was in the fleet then. I wonder whether
>>the uncompleted one in TotJ could move, or would have been able to once
>>completed?
>
>If it couldnt move then what good would it have been to destroy
>planets....It needs to get there first...
>
>haywire

Yes, but the Death Star was not a true part of the Imperial Fleet. If you think
back to the "Board Meeting" in ANH, Admiral Motti shows disgust for the Fleet,
in deference to the Death Star.

<begin quote>
TAGGE: Until this battle station is fully operational we are
vulnerable. The Rebel Alliance is too well equipped. They're more
dangerous than you realize.

           The bitter Admiral Motti twists nervously in his chair.

MOTTI: Dangerous to your starfleet, Commander, not to this battle
station!
<end quote>

Q.E.D.
______
Brian Panulla                    MOOO!                      Hail Sinfonia!
bjp108@psuvm.psu.edu  /  ender@vivaldi.psu.edu  /  moocow@fubar.bk.psu.edu
(The opinions expressed above are mine alone, and do not reflect those of)
( Penn State University, or the Center for Academic Computing, so there! )
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From: roy@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Silver Dice
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:57:45 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
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Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <25262@galaxy.ucr.edu> judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson) writes:
>Did anybody notice that Han Solo has silver dice hanging in the cockpit
>of the Millenium Falcon.
>
>--
>As the evening sky faded from a salmon color to a sort of flint gray, I thought
>back to the salmon I caught that morning, and how gray he was, and how I named 
>him Flint.
>
>                                       Jack Handy
>
>judson@watserv.ucr.edu


No, I didn't notice them.  Are you sure?  You must have a bootleg copy or 
something.  I have a bootleg copy.  It has the Biggs scene at the 
beginning.  Luke can be clearly heard in almost every scene calling 
characters by their real first names (Alec, Anthony, Carrie, Harrison, etc) 
it gets real annoying.  Ben has a lightsaber that gets longer and shorter 
as he gets excited.  It is a cool version.  It has tons of scenes that the 
theatrical version(s) never did.  I alone have seen it, then I burned it so 
that I would not have proof.  

NOTE:  This is a JOKE!  I do not have this version and never did.  The dice 
are real.  They exist.  There existance is in the FAQ.  Please, all you 
newbies, read it.  As for everything else, well it is a tongue in cheek 
reference to many of the bonehead rumors that have been on this
group.

Regards,
Tom Rogers
roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
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From: sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Re: Star Wars trivia
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:28:55 GMT

lyon@egr.msu.edu  writes:
> Here is a post for all of the (self-proclaimed) Star Wars experts on here.
> 
> Here are a few Star Wars trivia questions that are all answerable from watching
> the movie(closely, I might add). The trick is this: How many can you answer
> WITHOUT consulting the movie? (Special note: There is one that refers to one of
> the movie soundtracks, so that's the exception).
> 
> So try your luck! See how many you can answer! :)

I wouldn't ordinarily answer trivia questions in public. But
what the heck.

> 
> 1) In Jedi, what part of the Falcon was broken off when it had it's
> near-collision with the superstructure of the Death Star?

The big dish on the port side.

> 2) In SW:ANH, what is the number on the pressure release hatch (in the
> compactor)?

3263827

> 3) There are three(perhaps more?) times in the trilogy in which the Falcon is
> seen upside-down(from the camera's view, of course). Can you name all three(or
> more, if there are)?

Already answered in previous posts.

Since I don't know the answers to the others, I'll quit now.

Steve
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From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New movie or just books
Date: 27 Jan 1993 10:38:58 -0800
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In article <1993Jan27.034824.20035@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>	I wonder how Lucas will present the Ysalimiri?  It seems
>kind of hard to imagine a movie successfully presenting the power
>of a few worms. Of course, I'm sure Zahn will give him some good
>advice.  The 'pirate haven' could cost Lucas a lot to build in Episode
>7, what with all the equipment and spare parts that will have to be
>fabricated for the scene.

Please don't do this. How many times has it been said that Zahn's books
are NOT EVER going to make it to the screen. You just start unwanted
discussion when you mention stuff like this. If this post was not intended
to be a joke then my reply is not intended to be a flame.

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From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Harpoons (and At-Ats)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 08:34:46 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

hale@bbsls84.BNR.CA (Dave Hale x5501) writes:

> 
> In the AT-AT scene in TESB, did anyone notice the glimpse of one of the two
> legged walkers?
> 
> It was only on screen for a second or so and isn't seen again until the
> forest scene in ROTJ. 
> 
> 
> 
> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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What you refer to is an AT-ST (All Terrain Scout Transport) and sticks 
out like a sore thumb in TESB.  I remember when I saw it in the theater, 
how amazed I was (even after having seen the AT-ATs, I was able to get a 
little more excited). =)  Then, it was never seen again (until ROTJ, of 
course).  It isn't seen in any of the attack footage, as though it walked 
out in front all by itself, was blown up, and the Empire decided not to 
waste any more of them in the ground attack.  Who knows.


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From: littaum@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: More questions
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:28:37 GMT
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In article <1jtfqcINNq1n@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> lyon@egr.msu.edu (Scott Lyon) writes:
>If the Falcon was destroyed escaping the superstructure of the Death Star, what
>are the circumstances that allowed Lando to be at the Ewok celebration? Did the
>Falcon(therefore) survive? Or did Lando(alone) escape? Or did the whole crew on
>the Falcon escape before it's demise? Or did the Falcon only APPEAR to explode?
>Since this was never filmed, any ideas will be only speculation. However, those
>will be appreciated as well.
>
>
Perhaps Lucas was planning to do was to have Lando tell Wedge he wasn't going
to make it and all that other heartstrings jazz.  Then build up the suspense
by having the flames nip (& engulf) the Falcon (like it did in the movie)
and then zoom out to show the death star blowing up (leaving open the question
as to whether or not Lando made it).  Then have everyone be all gloomy,
thinking Lando died in the explosion.  But then, during the celebration,
here comes Lando & the crew, and everything is all hunky-dory.  

But I think that the final movie version was a lot better.  
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