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From: jdarnold@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Jonathan Arnold)
Subject: Re: Questions for Exp. APBA (comp.) players - please!
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:01:52 GMT

In article <1jmapiINNlbl@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> rdunkle@aal.itd.umich.edu (R. M. Dunkle) writes:
>	1. There's no way to get any kind of comprehensive stats on how the
>team and players did in real life. I got ten past seasons with this, and I
>don't know the stats for all of the teams...I can look at players one by one,
>but come on.

If you get the add-on product Draft 2.0, you can do all this and more.
It has lineup analyzers, shows APBA and regular stats, let's you draft
a bunch of teams etc, etc.  It all has a nice Turbo Vision interface,
and works really well.  It's definetly worth it.

That's one thing you have to realize with APBA - the main game is just
part of it:

Draft - change teams, lineups, etc.
MicroManager - program opposing managers
Wizard - Inport stats from Duerks encyclopedia (now called Bill James)

and several others.  So it becomes more expensive, but you don't have
to pay for pieces you don't need/use.

>	If not, anyone want to buy APBA 1.5, statmaster 2.2, Draft 2.0, and
>Micromanager 1.0 with ten season disks? :(

But wait a minute - you *have* Draft 2.0!  Now I'm really confused.
If you select a team in Draft 2.0, select the LineUp option, then go
to the TmRep (Team Report) selection - this gives you a comprehensive
listing of both real and APBA stats for the entire team.  What's the
problem with that?

As far as scheduling games, I'm also confused.  You can set up 5
different lineups.  The biggest problem is that the pitching rotations
have to be done by hand, but so what?  How do other computer games
handle this?  How would you like it to be handled?

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From: yankees@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Kenneth M Gelfand)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Beat the Mediots!
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:37 EST
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
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	Cal 'n the Gang, my 1991 Strato team, just finished a 4 game sweep
of the Fat Tigers in the SLOB playoffs (don't ask why the playoffs are in
January) and I need help choosing a series MVP.  Any help would be 
appreciated.

Name               BA    G   AB   H   R   2B   3B   HR   RBI   SB    BB
Polonia, Luis      .400  3   10   4   1    0    0    0    1     2    1
Franco, Julio      .294  4   17   5   4    3    0    0    0     0    1
Buechele, Steve    .333  4   15   5   1    0    0    1    1     0    0

Name               W     L     G    CG   IP    H   HR    BB   K
Erickson, Scott    2     0     2     1   15.2  15   0     7   7
Finley, Chuck      1     0     1     1    9     2   1     3   5


					Thanks Again,
					
					Kenny G
From: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Trade: Dump Rickey
Date: 28 Jan 1993 00:31:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ashe@royalt.enet.dec.com () says:

>
>I have Rickey Henderson at $34.  I can trade him for Cordero $8, Colbrunn $5,
>and Conine $5.  Should I do it?

Not if you're ready to contend.  Colbrunn is unimpressive.  Conine could K
too much to ever be effective, and I don't think Cordero is enough to overcome
the difference.  Henderson is a monster and will go along way towards a 
pennant this year.  If you don't plan to contend this year, and you want to
save some cash, then do it.  If you want to win, keep Rickey.

 
>
>P.S. Where did Dave Martinez go?
>

San Francisco.  He should be the starting center fielder.

SfH

-- 
Steven F. Hubbard                ** "If people don't want to come to the 
Case Western Reserve University  **     ballpark, how are you gonna stop them? 
Department of Physics            **  
Cleveland, OH 44106              **                         -- Yogi
From: Timothy.J.Young@dartmouth.edu (Timothy J. Young)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Bip trade update
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:23:14 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <kbanaian.216.0@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu>
kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:

>  Billy Pilgrim, St. Cloud GM, 
> notes that Bip's owner, the Pale Hose, may try to up the ante to Jose 
> Guzman.  The staff currently consists of Rijo, El Sid, Jose Guzman and 
> Tomlin, backed by Gross, Gubicza, Portugal, Bones and Mark Gardner.  Of the 
> others, Porch had a good season before he went down.  The Hose seem 
> uninterested.  Pilgrim seeks advice on whether an upgrade to Guzman is 
> warranted to capture Bip.  (Remember that we only count slug, steals, ratio 
> and errors in face-to-face play.)  Only Bret Boone is currently available at 
> the keystone sack for the Broadbrimmers.

Now that I've sent a blank message (idiot!!!), I apologize.

Guzman. Tough call, but I say go for it. You may get burned, but
remember, he's going from Arlington Stadium to Wrigley Field - possible
ERA inflation, possible reduced run support. He's got an injury
history. IMHO, he's a good solid pitcher but it seems that you still
need a 2b badly.



-Tim Young, Dartmouth College, Class of '96
P.S. Will be soliciting advice soon...
From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Kreuger and Williams
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:47:47 GMT
Organization: Pitzer College

In article <1993Jan27.165430.21532@netcom.com> arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow) writes:
>In article <C1IpBL.zL@cs.dal.ca> colin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Colin Edward Mac 
Donald) writes:>>
>>Also, are both Bernie and Gerald Williams going to start in NY this year?
>>
>
>I don't know. Maybe someone who gets the times cn answer this one.  Bernie 
>will start in center. O'Neill in right. And ??? in Left - possibly Tartabull.

The reason given for trading Kelly was to get a LH bat *and* to make room 
for Bernie in CF.  They really don't have an alternative.  Figure him for 
500 ABs.

Gerald will play in Columbus this year.  As a $1 wonder he's worth a spot on 
a reserve list, or even holding him on your active if you have no reserve 
list.  But do not plan on him as more than a September call-up or an injury 
replacement.
From: rdunkle@engin.umich.edu (R. M. Dunkle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Questions for Exp. APBA (comp.) players - please!
Date: 28 Jan 1993 05:29:34 GMT
Organization: Campus Computing Sites, University of Michigan
Distribution: world
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	In response to comments about Draft 2.0 and the five-lineup
solution in pitching rotations:
	Yeah, there's some stuff there, but:

	Why can't I get statmaster reports using even the minimal real stats
that are already there? It's not as if it'd be a programming challenge! I'd 
like to know how the teams stack up against each other in batting and pitching,
who led the league in homers, etc. without buying a book or counting it all
up myself. Not critical, but it'd be so *easy*. Painfully easy.
	As to the rotations, yes, I figured that out, but I *REALLY* don't 
like half of the short relievers in the game pitching 300-400 innings! That's
just appalling. 120+ games, 300+ innings. Geez. This is with '64, the only
season I've played with (and the only I'm likely to, as I've sold most of the
stuff).
	(Draft 2.0 still available - at least one person asked about it, but 
someone wanted it then fell through, and I don't have the others' names handy)
-- 
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From: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (Dave Bonar)
Subject: Re: Questions for Exp. APBA (comp.) players - please!
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Organization: News and Views from LSU
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:02:46 GMT

In article <1jmf4oINNrdf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard) writes...
>>
>>	1. There's no way to get any kind of comprehensive stats on how the
>>team and players did in real life. I got ten past seasons with this, and I
>>don't know the stats for all of the teams...I can look at players one by one,
>>but come on.
> 
>  It's not too hard to buy a Baseball Encyclopedia.  Why should you expect
>APBA to supply all of those stats?

	Yes!

	Any baseball game (at least ones using real past performances) should
have a screen that shows all of the players on a team at once with all of
their real life stats and any important game defined parameters (ie defensive
ratings and so forth).  The hassle of switching back and forth between 
individual players whenever I'm thinking about a lineup and/or a trade is
more then I'm willing to put up with in a game.  

Dave
__________
Dave Bonar
eebonar@lsuvax.sncc.lsu.edu
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From: jfk@ais.org (Jim Knight)
Subject: Re: Openings in the MRBL
Organization: UMCC
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:31:12 GMT

jfk@ais.org (Jim Knight) writes:

>The M-net Rotisserie Baseball League will be beginning it's fourth season
>in 1993.  Currently we have 2 openings, and may have a third.  All 
>transactions take place on M-Net, a public access unix and conferencing
>system.  The only requirement for obtaining a team is that you must be
>able to be in Ann Arbor, MI for draft day, which will be April 3rd, 1993.

>If you are interested in one of the openings, please email me at one of
>the addresses below.

>Jim Knight
>MRBL Commish.


Sorry, looks like my .signature got lost.  Here it is.

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          M-Net -- America's First Public Access Unix System
          (313) 996-4644  -or-  telnet m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us
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From: wlee@alnitak.usc.edu (Wing Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Please help me understand Patton $'s
Date: 22 Jan 1993 06:41:59 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: alnitak.usc.edu

I also have problems understanding Patton's methods.  In the March 1993
issue of Fantasy Baseball Magazine, Patton writes:
 
   "I look at [Fred] McGriff's five-year salary scan -- $29, $31,
    $35, $31 and $40 -- and some little voice, be it inspired or
    foolish, tells me this year he's going to earn $42.  That's the
    key.  The stats are really irrelevant.  But the software [Patton $
    On Disk], supplies the stats, based on what it knows about
    McGriff in the past, on the number of at bats he is going to
    have in 1993 (which I decide), and on the 1993 N.L. hitters formulas
    that I've already programmed it with".

The stats Patton's software projects, based on the expected 1993 value,
for Fred McGriff are .302 Avg, 52 HR, 129 RBI, 4 SB.

I have a few problems with this:

  a) Patton takes dollar values and creates stats based on them.  This
     is the reverse of what everyone I know is doing.  They take
     stats and create values from them.

  b) Patton's projected dollar values are subjective.  Based on what I
     read in the article, there is no logical basis for assigning $42 to 
     Fred McGriff.  
 
  c) McGriff's projected stats are not (IMHO) realistic.  McGriff's
     homerun totals for the last 3 years are 35 (TOR), 31, 35 and his
     batting averages are .300 (TOR), .278, and .286.  He's 29 years
     old and unless he hits a lot of homeruns when he visits Colorado
     or expansion really dilutes pitching quality, I don't see how he 
     can approach 52 homeruns and a .302 batting average.

I understood Patton's methods better when he analyzed the previous
year's performance for players.  His projections seem like a lot
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From: donl@iscp.bellcore.com (Don Locrasto)
Subject: Re: Questions for Exp. APBA (comp.) players - please!
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:11:03 GMT

In article <1jmf4oINNrdf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard) writes:
|> 
|> In a previous article, rdunkle@aal.itd.umich.edu (R. M. Dunkle) says:
|> 
|> >
|> >	1. There's no way to get any kind of comprehensive stats on how the
|> >team and players did in real life. I got ten past seasons with this, and I
|> >don't know the stats for all of the teams...I can look at players one by one,
|> >but come on.
|> 
|>   It's not too hard to buy a Baseball Encyclopedia.  Why should you expect
|> APBA to supply all of those stats?

Why not ? All of PTP player disks come with those stats.

|>   Maybe I'm not understanding your question.  I think the game is great and
|> I play 200+ league games a year on it.
No, it's not great. I "un-installed" my game last week, and I'm willing
to GIVE mine away (I don't have Statmaster 2.2 or Draft 2.0).

|>   It was my understanding that Micromanager had an option to allow you to play
|> an entire season's worth of games.  Maybe that could solve the problems you've 
|> been having.

As far as I know, there is no schedule function with APBA.  You can play
a series of 1 to n games (I don't know n's upper limit).

PTP is a much better game, at a much better price.

Don LoCrasto
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From: cs1442au@utagraph.uta.edu (cs1442au)
Subject: Re: Any news about these players?
Keywords: ward, montgomery, joyner, canseco, guzmanju, guillen, franco
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:29:37 GMT

Take from a Rangers fan. Franco will play DH and Canseco is vowing to go
for 40-40 again. He says that he has never felt better.Look out
\
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From: st92dre@cen.ex.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: BRITISH INVASION OF YOUR CULTURE
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:49:05 GMT
Organization: University of Exeter, UK.

Hi there,
I'm an eighteen year old British guy who is intrigued by fantasy baseball
as I'm a sports stats freak!!!!

Show me your ways oh great ones from across the seas!!!
    
DAN   st92dre@exeter.ac.uk
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From: wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew Wall)
Subject: Re: FAQ wanted
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Organization: Hi, I'm Matt, and I'm...a Boston Red Sox fan
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:59:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.135241.3889@zip.eecs.umich.edu>,
hajel@quip.eecs.umich.edu (John Hajel) wrote:
> 
> 
> Is there a FAQ for this group?  I'm particularly interested
> in fantasy league software.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> John Hajel
> hajel@eecs.umich.edu

Wing Lee is sending me a copy of the Benson PC demo version, and I have the
Unix software in a tar file someplace, and I'll stick 'em both up on the
ftp site this weekend (eucalyptus.cc.swarthmore.edu). 

If anybody else has demos, spreadsheets, or whatever of their own
manufacture, send them to me in some ascii-encoded format and I will stick
them up. I will only take legally permissable contributions that don't
violate copyright! 

thanks

- matt

wall@.cc.swarthmore.edu

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From: rdunkle@engin.umich.edu (R. M. Dunkle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Questions for Exp. APBA (comp.) players - please!
Date: 28 Jan 93 20:45:32 GMT
Organization: Campus Computing Sites, University of Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: apollo46.aal.itd.umich.edu

In article <1993Jan28.185009.13717@netcom.com> arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow) writes:
>In article <1k7qvuINN8o8@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> rdunkle@engin.umich.edu (R. M. Dunkle) writes:
>>
>>	In response to comments about Draft 2.0 and the five-lineup
>>solution in pitching rotations:
>>	Yeah, there's some stuff there, but:
>>
>>	Why can't I get statmaster reports using even the minimal real stats
>>that are already there? It's not as if it'd be a programming challenge! I'd 
>>like to know how the teams stack up against each other in batting and pitching,
>>who led the league in homers, etc. without buying a book or counting it all
>>up myself. Not critical, but it'd be so *easy*. Painfully easy.
>
>It's already there bud. In Draft 2.0. That's why there's a manual. 
>
>You have two options. Getting a playerlist and sorting on that player list.
>
>--Les


	It's there in a half-assed way. The team-by-team stuff isn't.
-- 
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* Also available at bdunkle@ccit.arizona.edu  <- Where I really am, but VAX  *
* Support systems analyst, Information Technologies Center, AzHSL    /\      *
* Detroit Red Wings fan, stranded in the desert, Tucson, Arizona     \/      *
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow)
Subject: Re: Any news about these players?
Keywords: ward, montgomery, joyner, canseco, guzmanju, guillen, franco
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:15:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.152937.11911@utagraph.uta.edu> cs1442au@utagraph.uta.edu (cs1442au) writes:
>Take from a Rangers fan. Franco will play DH and Canseco is vowing to go
>for 40-40 again. He says that he has never felt better.Look out
>\

Hmmm. That's what he said last year (re Canseco). 

We all know what Canseco can do, but to be honest I take what the players
say (cliche' alert--->) with a grain of salt. These comments usually just
up the auction value without any performance gain.

I agree. Look out.

--Les
From: kupcik@cis.ohio-state.edu (james anthony kupcik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy,osu.groups,osu.general
Subject: Rotisserie League Openings
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:14:14 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: carp.cis.ohio-state.edu


** Anyone in the Columbus,OH area interested in getting in a rotisserie
   baseball league, our league(s) have some openings we would like to fill as
   soon as possible.  Here's some info:

      N.L. league:  Second season, with 7 of original 9 teams returning.
                    Would like 10-12 teams for '93. I will mail you how
                    the expansion will be handled if you are interested.

      A.L. league:  New league forming.  Would also like 10-12 teams for
                    this season.  

   Both leagues (I believe, NL for sure) will use the basic scoring system:
        * Ave/HR/RBI/SB  for position players
        * Wins/Saves/ERA/Ratio(Hits+Walks per IP)  for ptchers
 

e-mail me at: kupcik@cis.ohio-state.edu if interested 

**************************************************************************
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*  kupcik@cis.ohio-state.edu    Champs: 1992 OSURL (National League)     *
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*  Go Tribe In '93                                                       *
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From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Subject: Re: Questions about the Flying Australian
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:30:53 GMT

In <1k693eINN5dv@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:

>   Dave Nilsson will be a full-time starter for the Brewhas at catcher this
>   year. Unless he flops miserably, he should start in about 150 or so games.
>   He has put up some mind-boggling minor league stats (hitting .418 I think
>   at AA El Paso a couple years ago, a hitters park, but impressive          
>   nonetheless) and I would be surprised if he wasn't a capable major league
>   player. I'd expect him to hit somewhere around .280 with about 10-15 dingers
>   and around 70 RBI. Of course he did have shoulder problems last year and I'm
>   not sure if he's fully recovered yet.

  While I agree on everything else salty has said, I can't see anyone catching
150 games next year. He'd have to latch onto some DH AB's to do so, because
I think Surhoff and McIntosh and others will get games behind the plate.
  If Surhoff qualifies at C for your ROTO team, he may be a good pick, because
he'll get more PT at 3B than most catchers would get and thus his raw totals
should be higher. He's not much of a hitter for a 3Bman though....

					Gord Niguma
					(fav player: John Olerud)



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From: rdunkle@engin.umich.edu (R. M. Dunkle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Argh! APBA (comp) stuff for sale
Date: 23 Jan 1993 07:36:04 GMT
Organization: Campus Computing Sites, University of Michigan
Distribution: world,local
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In article <1993Jan23.015253.218@vela.acs.oakland.edu> jmkerrig@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KERRIGAN JOHN M) writes:
>In article <21JAN199321400553@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> bdunkle@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (DUNKLE, BRIAN) writes:
>>
>>        Damn. This is the biggest mistake I've made in a while.
>>        I got answers to some of my concerns, but...this just isn't what I
>>want in a game. I wish we could combine the APBA play-by-play and such with
>>PTP's interface and supprt progs.
>>
>
>You can!!!  It's called Strat-O-Matic version 4, and it will be available
>in less than a month.  I am an ex-APBA player and I highly recommend you
>look into it.
>
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>**        John Kerrigan        a.k.a.  jmkerrig@vela.acs.oakland.edu        **
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


	I plan to. Strato is the table game I played until the computer games
came out. :) I've always sort of regretted never trying the computer game 
(though early incarnations were pretty weak). 
	Now if only my very first game woudl come out with a computer version 
- Statis Pro! :)
	Anyway, APBA users, please take some of this stuff off my hands so 
I can buy the new Strato game! :)
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* Also available at bdunkle@ccit.arizona.edu  <- Where I really am, but VAX  *
* Support systems analyst, Information Technologies Center, AzHSL    /\      *
* Detroit Red Wings fan, stranded in the desert, Tucson, Arizona     \/      *
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