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From: tilden@goldwing.ksu.ksu.edu (Tilden-Master of Illogic)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Ship in a Bottle
Date: 27 Jan 1993 06:25:15 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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In article <1993Jan26.193305.27214@newssun.med.miami.edu>, dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>I finally saw the episode "Ship in a Bottle," where the holodeck
>produces the improbable: a sentient program/being, Professor 
>Whats-His-Face.  I started watching it last night and thought
>"you've got to be kidding, this guy walks out of the holodeck ..."
>The scene wasn't too believable, but I continued to watch anyways.
>Wow!  This episode ranks up there with "Darmok" and "The Inner Light."
>I especially liked the allusion to Descartes' "brain in the vat"
>quandary, best manifested when the engineer (real insecure guy)
>aks/says at the end: "computer, end program?/."
>
>Dan

Yeah, but did anyone notice that most of the things that happened just
sort of MIRRORED EXACTLY what we said about a season and a half ago when
Moriarity was first created?  Things that make you go HMMMM.

As for the episode I was impressed.  We get to see Barkley act like
fool when he first meets Moriarity saying foolish things like, "This
isn't possible." and his childish amazement at their self-awareness.
I thought it was a nice twist to have the Captain, Data, and Barkley 
stuck in the holodeck the whole time and to use that which decieved
them to decieve Moriarity, Chalk one up for the writers.  I think we've
just added a new line to the Famous quotes list with the above mentioned:

BARKLEY:  Computer, end program.  (looks around in curious manner, then walks off)

My $.02 worth.

Tilden
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Norm Peterson of DSN
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:53:57 GMT

In article <21JAN93.15195552@skyfox> borys@skyfox writes:
>In the three episodes to date, almost every bar scene includes this one
>tall alien with brown skin and a neck that reminds me of Beaker from the
>Muppet Show.  If this guy doesn't ship out soon, the writers are going to have
>to make up lines for him:
>
>Quark: "Hey Grog, how does a beer sound?"
>Grog: "I dunno; I usually drink it before it gets a word in."
>
>(don't worry, I won't quit my day job)

Hey, maybe he'll become a semi-regular, and around the third season, they'll
give him a name, and a back story. Eventually, they'll like the character
enough that they think he's being under-utilized and make up a new series
and move him to it. It could be about a freighter shipping cargo through
the Bajoran Wormhole... Let's see... Star Trek: U-haul 6?


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From: hmoran@nswc-wo.? (Howard Moran)
Subject: Re: Clones
Organization: NSWC White Oak
	<1993Jan25.193516.13087@Princeton.EDU>
	<1993Jan26.194336.27347@newssun.med.miami.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:02:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.194336.27347@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:

   In article <1993Jan25.193516.13087@Princeton.EDU> hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg) writes:

   >>From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)

   >
   >>In the recent DS9 episode "A Man Alone", or something like that,
   >>Sisko and Odo allow the villian's clone to live.  Why?  What would
   >>prevent this clone (or, rather, save him) from doing the same thing
   >>his original did?
   >
   >Who says that criminal tendencies are implanted in one's DNA?
   >Just that he is a clone doesn't mean he has the same character...
   >In fact, he shouldn't have a character at all, since he doesn't have any
   >experience or knowledge. Just like a newborn.
   >
   >-Nicolas

   STTNG basically assumed that cloning would reproduce enough recent memories
   to fool Odo into thinking the clone was the original criminal.  Otherwise,
   the clone wouldn't have recognize Odo at all.  Whether or not LTM is stored
   in RNA sequences that would be cloned is besides the question (I certainly
   don't know, but it seems pretty far-fetched to me).  Given the STTNG
   assumption, doesn't it seem reasonable that the clone would be just as
   deviant as the original?  DS9's keeping the clone seemed like a not-so-
   subtle pro-life sentiment.

   Dan 

Ahh, but what makes you think it was the CLONE that met/recognized/wrestled
with Odo in the casino?  IMHO it was IBUDAN doing all that and the only time
we saw the clone was as it was being massaged then stabbed in the holoroom.
There was no need for major personality/memories/et al if this be the case,
just a life to be snuffed!

hmoran@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil
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Subject: Re: Duras Sisters' Cleavage DSN
From: graber@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:45:54 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1993Jan17.130208.1564@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>, bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
> I think Klingons are supposed to have two hearts: there was a
> TNG episode where Worf couldn't walk cuz of a spine injury, and
> Dr. Crusher said that all Klingons have duplicates of their major organs.

Is that why the Duras sisters have to show twice as much cleavage as their
human counterparts?  :)

Gunthar

Disclaimer:This is a friends account, mind your manners if you email.
From: kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9: Past Prologue - Garak (NO SPOILERS)
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:56:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: a2i network

kennyy@microsoft.com (Kenny Young) writes:

>well, we have our first ds9/la law crossover.
>the guy who played garak played guy with
>multiple personalities, one of which was
>the aunt of the other personalities who
>killed her "nephews" to save them.

Also, there's a Dirty Harry/Deep Space Nine crossover,
the Cardassian who sells clothes (new suits!) is the same
guy (Andy Robinson) who played the killer psycho gunned down
by Dirty Harry in the first D.H. movie.  The psycho was let
loose on a technicality so that later Clint could shoot him, blow
him away.  It's interesting hearing the same voice of the psycho
coming out of Cardassian makeup.  Does this gut always play psychos?
 
-- 
Ken Papai <kpapai@rahul.net>
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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
Subject: Re: r.a.s.c Split - survey
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 05:12:45 GMT

What we want to do is make .current smaller, right?

.reviews (especially if it is moderated) will not do that (even
though it is a neat idea)

.current.dsn and .current.tng will split the traffic up, but it
will cause TONS of crossposts (which makes it a BAD idea)

so... what we need is a new proposal. I'll take a shot at it:

CREATE -- rec.arts.startrek.characters

.characters is for questions about characters (which comprises
at least 40% of .current traffic). Things like 'Troi and that
purple suit' and 'Picard a borg?' go there. There would be
little crossposting between it and other groups (perhaps the
occasional 'Picard on DSN' post). I believe that novices could
realize that character questions go into the characters group.

Why do it this way instead of .reviews (UN-moderated)? I think
that .characters is the way to go because it splits traffic
more evenly than .reviews. Also, .current's charter by
definition ALMOST makes this a .reviews group. In this plan
.current would be for PLOT questions, THEME questions, PLOT
summaries, and anything that fits the .current group that IS
NOT PRIMARILY RELATED TO CHARACTERS. Comments? Questions?

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From: djw@wang.com (David Weinstein)
Subject: Re: WHY DO TREKKIES ...Bajoran Nude Swimsuit Issue! 
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:03:45 GMT

ancst8+@pitt.edu (Anuj Chandra) writes:

>There is no doubt that Kira is attractive. But her
>attractiveness is amplified by the fact that us
>ST:NG fans are sick of watching Troi all the time. Face it,
>we are bored of watching Troi all the time. Compared to Troi,
>almost any ST:NG or DS9 female crew member seems attractive .

Personally, I cant wait for the Bajoran Nude Swimsuit Sports Illustrated 
Edition or the Calender to come out! Or the Betazet version
to for that matter! Im sure Kira, Ro, and Troi will be there!

;)

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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: What's the deal the with Program Guide?
Keywords: changes?
Date: 21 Jan 93 04:59:29 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1jfohhINN1b8@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes:
<In article <4795@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
<>Before I start to answer the poster, I want to say...
<>	Doesn't anyone RTFM?  
<
<Fair question.
<
<>My question is why are DEC PostScript printers so brain dead.  When a PostScript
<>printer cannot find a find, it is supposed to use Courier.  DEC printers
<>appear to just not print anything.  Stupid, real stupid.
<
<My copy of the PostScript Language Reference Manual, 2nd ed., includes
<the following description:
<
<"If key is not registered as a font in VM, findfont takes an action
<that varies according to the environment in which the PostScript
<interpreter is operating. In some environments, findfont may attempt to
<read a font definition from an external source, such as a file. In
<other environments, findfont substitutes a default font or executes the
<error invalidfont."
<
<In other words, "error" is a valid, legal option, and the manual specifies
<no "supposed to" action.
<
<Perhaps in the DEC environment it is more important for a font error to
<be fatal and not have people wasting time trying to figure out why
<their letter is being printed in the wrong font. Maybe it has something
<to do with the "All-In-One" philosophy, where the software can do
<something when it is told that a font doesn't exist.
<
<The manaul continues: 
<
<"[findfont] may be redefined by a PostScript language program that
<requires different strategies for finding fonts."
<
<I.e., if you expect a printer to default to Courier when you call upon a
<non-standard font, you had better write the code to do that, because the
<language definition doesn't demand a default action.

Well, in my defense, all printers that I have used that have Adobe PostScript
code in them will print Courier.  Even the Sun written NeWSprint uses Courier.
While it may not make it right, according to the manual sections that you have
posted, my experience as been that Adobe doesn't do what they preach.

I guess that I too should have RTFM :-(

In any event, the guide isn't meant to print with Courier, period.
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From: ko_mike@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Michael Y Ko)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
Date: 24 Jan 1993 00:33:38 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

I think one of the funniest moments occurred when Lwaxana and Deana Troi and
Riker were kidnapped by the overzealous Ferenguie(sp?) damon who wanted
Lwaxana for her telepathic abilities and when the Enterprise finally
catches up with the ship, Picard has to "ham up" to Lwaxana to get  her back.
The best is when Lwaxana does not want to go back to Betazed(sp?) and Picard
tells "Ensign, lay in a course for Betazed...Warp Factor Nine..."
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From: news@shark.physics.ubfd.ca ()
Subject: TOS computer voice
Originator: root@yonge.csri.toronto.edu
Date: 21 Jan 93 06:29:39 GMT

        Does anyone know who did the voice for the Enterprise computer in
TOS?  Is it just my imagination, or does it sound like a very "digitized"
Majel Barrett?

* Please post responses to the net, as the mailer daemon doesn't work too well
here.
From: msmith@koko.csustan.edu (Marlan Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: MOST OVERRATED EPISODE?
Keywords: most
Date: 21 Jan 93 08:55:55 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

s
nothing hinted at during the episode that Picard was in any way still
under the Borg influence, so when the "climax" of the episode came (I
am Locutus...), his questioning seemed flat.    The REAL problem is
NOT in the fact that they made a mildly enjoyable, reasonably mediocre
episode of Trek.  The PROBLEM is that  they took the most menacing
and relentless enemy ever faced by the federation, gave it Big Eyes, a
pleasing face and a stuffed animal voice, and turned the menacing borg
into something CUTE....feh.   An inexcusable waste of a perfectly good
enemy.



	First of all they NEVER hint that Picard is under the Borg influence.   I thoght it was obvious that he was testing Hugh to see if he really was a being that thought and had feelings like everyone had been telling him. When Hugh     refused to "assimitate" it showed us and Picard that Hugh had indeed dicovered a sense of independence. I thought the episode was great!! It drew other hints  about the mysterious Borg past... ie. "we are also lonely".

	And besides, I'm a little disappointed at the attitude that we need     enemies!! I learned a lot from that episode and I should hope that a lot of     others did too!!

	I'm sorry if you feel that you need something to hate all the time.
	I, for one, feel that there is more to StarTrek (or any SciFi) than neat enemies to blow up.
-Fishy
From: ewm@mdavcr.mda.ca (Eric W. Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Deforest Kelley's Birthday Yesterday
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:45:41 GMT

To drive another nail in the death of DeForest Kelly, I read in the
paper that he celebrated his 73rd birthday yesterday.

Congratulations, DeForest, may you have many more!!!

Eric

ps.  Damnit Jim, I'm a septarian, not a corpse!
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From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: Re: "Standard" is the Federation's standard language in the 24th Cent.
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:43:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.040500.8822@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kevin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.030726.18574@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge) writes:
>>My understanding, from something I read aeons ago, is that the standard 
>>dialect for communication in the Federation (this was back when TOS stood 
>>for "The Only Show") was a constructed language called simply "Standard."  
>>We hear it (and all other languages) as English simply for convenience--
>>No subtitles, no confusion.  
>
>This is what I have often heard myself, Andrea.  Almost every book
>uses the word "standard" to describe the language being spoken...and
>I'm not sure if it's ever been mentioned in an episode, TOS or
>otherwise...
>     Unfortunately, this whole standard thing comes down like a house
>of cards when one watches the TOS episode "Space Seed", featuring the
>first ever appearance of Khan.  When he is revived, and Kirk says
>something like "who are you" to him, he answers with this:
>"English!  You speak English!?"
>     verbatim, I believe.  Oh, well, Maybe that's a scene that should
>be retconned like Data's Class of '76 or Gary Mitchell's "James R.
>Kirk".  I would like to think that your explanation is the right one.
>:-)
>Kevin D.
>
How about this for a possible explanation?  I just saw a rebroadcast of
"The Last Starfighter".  In that movie, they attach this translator
thing to the guy's collar, and it translates everything which is said
into English (which is what the guy speaks).  Now, each one of the Star
Fleet communicator pins is actually also a translator, so that each
member of the crew hears his own language.  We each have one in our
televisions, too, which translate it into our language for us viewers.
Now, then.  I think that takes care of the "English Speaking Universe"
problem!  :)

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From: prv2d@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU ()
Subject: Re: STTNG Video Club
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:16:48 GMT

In article <Bob_Hearn-220193103910@192.35.50.165> Bob_Hearn@qm.claris.com (Robert Hearn) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.152717.18104@newsgate.sps.mot.com>,
>reed@prism.sps.mot.com (Tim Reed) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'm very happy today. I just joined the STTNG video club from  
>> Columbia House. I've been wanting to join for about a year but didn't  
>> know how to go about it. I can't wait to start receiving the videos.  
>> Will they come in the order they were broadcast?
>> 
>> --
>> -----------------------------------
>> Tim Reed
>> reed@prism.sps.mot.com
>> -----------------------------------
>
>
>You can look forward to paying about 5$ per tape more than you would
>in a video store.  As far as I know, they come in order, but it's only
>the first season.  I think that's all that's out on videotape yet.

   I'm not sure how far the tapes go, but I just got the second to
last tape for the second season (Manhunt/The Emissary).

   Peter
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Subject: re: What about the men?
From: san@netlink.cts.com (Sandra Roberts)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 21:02:21 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

I cast my vote for Patrick Stewart - he plays Picard as male, not macho; 
he earns respect, rather than demands it.  I also think he has the most 
marvelous eyes, very intense and almost more emotive than even his voice. 
However, on the same vein, I don't feel that Frakes, Dorn, Spiner and 
Burton get very good lines, so maybe I'm not seeing them at their best.  
Suffice it to say that the Enterprise-D wouldn't be quite the same 
without any one of these men.

Regards,

San

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From: DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: COULD KIRA BE ANY HOTTER?
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:46:00 GMT
 <93027.032202DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <27JAN199310192397@csa2.lbl.gov>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <27JAN199310192397@csa2.lbl.gov>, sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I
CHASE) says:
>
>In article <93027.032202DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
>writes...
>>
>>       And here's the flame I got by mail!
>
>The only thing worse than mailing someone that kind of nonsense is for
>the receiver to turn around and post it to thousands of other people.
>Can't you restrain yourself enough to respect the fact that E-mail is
>not supposed to be posted without consent?  Or are you as much of a dong
>as the guy who sent you the mail in the first place?

  Survey says :

  AAAAAAAAAAAAA! ( WRONG! )

  Who ever said that email notes had to be kept
  tidy little secrets?

  I think if people send that kind of stuff, they
  should be prepared for other people to see it
  besides the recipient.
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From: tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom McCain)
Subject: Re: Ship in a Bottle (SPOILERS)
Organization: Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:30:41 GMT

ratner@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Dave "Van Damme" Ratner) writes:

: Spoilers for "Ship in a Bottle" follow:
: 
: Wow.  I really enjoyed it.  Only real problem --- I figured it out

I also enjoyed it!  It was a unexpected, pleasant change.

: But I loved the very end where Barclay called out "End Program" to see
: if he was still inside the holodeck.

I liked it too, but then I thought it would have been cool if instead
you hear.... 

"La Forge to Barclay?"  "Barclay here."  "We need you in engineering."
"On my way Sir."  And then Barclay says, "End program."

And it does end.... 

--tom
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: random wondering
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:52:01 EST

 -=> Psst...  Look what Jimmy M D. Hsu said to All!  Oh my god!!! <=-

 JMDH> I was wondering if O'Brien is at two places at once.
 JMDH> If DS9 occurred after the Borg, does O'Brien ever make
 JMDH> an appearance on TNG after the Borg incident? If so,
 JMDH> wouldn't he be in two places at once?  As I understand
 JMDH> it, DS9 and TNG overlap after BOBW.  Or does DS9 start
 JMDH> at the current time period of TNG?

Check the stardates introduced in "Emissary".  The beginning Borg 
scene was simply a flashback of BOBW.  The stardate given in "Emissary" 
(Three years later) proves that it is not "overlapping", but actually 
running concurently.  "Emissary" follows immediately after TNG's "Chain 
of Command".


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