HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Its in my brain now
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:18:02 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <1993Jan25.213246.5135@athena.mit.edu> hafnir@athena.mit.edu (Mr. Hafnir) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.221845.7984@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman) writes:
>>In article <C17x0p.FyE@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>>>
>>>I'm looking for the sample source to the samples in Meat Beat Manifesto's
>>>"Helter Skelter".  "It's in my brain now", "Helter Skelter", and "Roger Copy".
>>>Any ideas?
>> 
>> "It's in my brain now" is Luc Van Acker, from the remix of "TV Mind" that was
>> on the B-side of Revolting Cocks' "Stainless Steel Providers" EP. Dunno
>> about the other two.
>
>I know this sample is also on the Big Sexyland album, though (which I'm almost
>positive predates Stainless Steel Providers). Sure it's Luc Van Acker, and not
>something that both groups sampled?

Of course, the original of "TV Mind" is on _Big_Sexy_Land_, and it does
contain that lyric, but I'm 99% sure it was "sung" by Van Acker on both
versions (the remix on the "SSP" EP has a very different vocal style). Of
course, it is entirely possible that, after writing the lyric for _BSL_, they
found a sample of the same line and used it in the remix, but it sounds like
Van Acker to me in both cases.

-- 
Adam J Weitzman - weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
                   Richard H. Kirk of Cabaret Voltaire, on whether his band is
                   avant-garde: "With a name like Cabaret Voltaire, I think 
                   we've used up quite enough French words already, really."
From: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: WaxTrax fate?
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:33:34 GMT
Reply-To: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Organization: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science

And lo, angst@orion.ucsb.edu (Hopelessly love,,7544 San Como Way,COMS,Temp-Faculty) spake unto the masses saying:
>
> The folks at Caroline (who used to distribute Wax Trax) told me that as of
> February 1, TVT will start reiussing Wax Trax releases, and all Wax Trax
> stuff will be exclusive through TVT.

Interesting thought - given that the original Jourgensen/Reznor version of
1000 Homo DJs was blocked by TVT, now that 1000 Homo DJs is one of "their"
artists, maybe we'll end up seeing the original version becoming available
legally.

-- 
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From: rfischer@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Russell Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Godflesh discography?
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:05:49 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

b92fdu@tdb.uu.se (Fredrik Duprez) writes:

>I recently laid my hands on Godflesh's album 'pure' at the annual sale.
>I haven't heard anything else by them , so I wonder what more records they've made and what they are like.

>I thought pure was excellent, so any stuff in that vein will also do! :-)


here is most everything....

streetcleaner
slavestate
pure
cold world

 all are, i believe, on earache records.

there is also at least one other release, and possibly two. i have
seen, but not heard, a cassette which i was told was a cassette-only
release. i have also seen one other cd which seems to be self-titled.
this disc may be the same as the supposed cassette-only, but then, it
may not be. again, i have not heard either one. 
btw, there is a video for 'mothra' which is mildly interesting.
i only have streetcleaner, slavestate and pure. i enjoy slavestate the
most out of the three. 

russ fischer
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From: b92fdu@tdb.uu.se (Fredrik Duprez)
Subject: NEW Puppy release?
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:38:49 GMT

I got a letter from Nettwerk the other day, saying that both bites and
remission will be re-issued on CD. Does anyone know whether these have been
out long in Canada? If so anything worth buying?

Thanx,

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"It is my opinion, that the man on the shroud is Jesus Christ"
From: thbon@sbustd.rz.uni-sb.de (Thomas Bonk)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ministry's "Hisbulla"?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 09:21:29 GMT
Organization: Studenten-Mail, Rechenzentrum Universitaet des Saarlandes
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fluet@ee.ualberta.ca (Kevin Blaine Fluet) writes:
> I remember a few years ago (shortly after the release of TLORAH) hearing a
> song on the radio called "Hisbulla" (or however one spells it), and the DJ
> (Brent Bambry--Brave New Waves) said the song was by Ministry.  I have
> never seen or heard of the song since.  Anyone know anything about this
> very cool song?

I remember that it's a song of the album `The Land of Honey and Rape', which
was released in 1988 or 1989.

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From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Neubauten new release follow-up
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:59:00 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>>Is there a definite release date?
>
>>--
>               My local record store said feb. 2 as the release date
>                      couldn't get here soon enough!

I'm not sure.  I think I saw Feb. 13 on the list of new releases.  Any
confirmations?

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From: dippybir@tz.ucs.sfu.ca (# 1 1 6)
Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal...
Organization: Somewhere in The Twilight Zone, Vancouver, B.C
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:01:15 GMT

ramirez.Princeton.EDU!penrose (Christopher Penrose) writes:

> I think that Gregory was not specifically speaking of artists, but of people
> on this network who favor copyright law.  I interpret his claims, and I enjoy
> his dialectic, that originality is a facade for our insecurity toward our  
> interdependencies.  Discrimination is an important mental construct in Americ
> commercial society.  This consumer *individuality* can be traced to particula
 
OI see where you are going with this, and it is something to ponder I 
guess.  So if copywrites are mainly to perserve the originality of the 
product, then how come the most 'creative' products tend to be the 
uncopywrited ones?  In fact if you go back in history & look at all the 
patent disputes on the books, you'll notice an overwhelming amount of 
cases where something was 'invented' (or developed), and the person who 
invented the product sells or gives a few to people in his community, 
soon some greedy bastard gets ahold of the product, patents it, then 
markets it nationally.  Its too easy to say that these inventors were all 
niave about patent law, maybe they knew that they only appropriated 
design of other already patented products when building their bigger & 
better mousetrap, and therefore may not realize they have something that 
CAN be patented...
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From: dclegg@oak.math.ucla.edu (Dan Clegg)
Subject: Re: Chris and Cosey: Rise?
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 21:50:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.005941.2458@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith) writes:
>Hey, did Chris and Cosey do a song called "Rise" and if so, what
>album is it on?  I was listening to the local industrial show the other
>day, and I could swear that this song was announced as being by them,
>and having that name, but I have had no luck finding it.
>Thanks for any help...
>
>jds
>
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>Jeff Smith                     * Passion and poems and sex
>smith@fl08-g.comm.mot.com      * I wear a smile like a leather glove,
>                               * I won't shut my mouth for less.
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It appears on Chris & Cosey's LP/CD _Trust_.
From: wgns@troi.cc.rochester.edu (C. Wiggins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: J.G. Thirlwell
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:15:20 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Some questions:

Is J.G. Thirlwell involved in anything currently?  
Is Foetus dead?  
Could someone give me a list of everything that J.G. Thirlwell had a hand
in?  I want to own everything he's touched.
From: dnwangus@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Dave Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: MBM sample IDs wanted
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:14:50 GMT
Organization: Lakehead University, Thunder Bay, Ont., Canada

gt5986c@prism.gatech.EDU (John P Arnzen) writes:
>not too long ago, someone here said that a lot of the samples on Satyricon
>were from some film called 'Dark Star' i think.  has anybody seen this film?
>kinda curious to go see if i can find it to maybe rent it or even buy it if
>i have to.  what's it about?
>

_Dark Star_ started off as a student film by Dan O'Bannon (and 
probably some other people).  It was later extended into a
feature length film.  It is a black comedy about a bunch of
burned out space critters whose job it is to go around blowing
up unstable planets (or suns? I haven't seen it in a while).

_Alien_ was at least partly a remake of _Dark Star_, but 
without the humour.

A sample from _Dark Star_ also appears on an early Human League
song, "Circus of Death".  ("D'you think we'll ever find any
real intelligent life out there?"  "Who cares?")

It is well worth seeing.


--
Dave Angus                                   "Kundalini wants his hand back"
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From: mnemonic@netcom.com (Rev Lebaredian)
Subject: Re: WaxTrax fate?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:29:01 GMT

ohm@Siri.Unit.NO (Ole Hermann Melby) writes:
: Bought up by TVT (NIN's label) according to MTV News at nigth.

Oh shit.....
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:56:29 CST
From: Bones, <U38956@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: NIN touring soon?
 <1993Jan25.180730.11306@midway.uchicago.edu>
 <C1G3w5.Mvt@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>

NOt to nitpick either, but the title "The Downward Spiral" is only tentative
according to Trent (Refer to Alternative Press article of late)

Bones
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From: hopson@fraser.sfu.ca (Christopher H.G. Hopson)
Subject: Re: pigface members
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:58:38 GMT

B

>Come on now, Pigface was probably the worst show I had ever seen save
>  My Life with the Thrill Kill Cult's last tour. Plus there's also the
>  fact that they refuse to use opening bands with drummers as was the
>  case with us getting nixed from the show with them here in SF.
>  Anyways...

Are you sure you aren't letting bitterness affect your judgement ? When I saw
them I thought they were fantastic, as did many other people I'm sure.

Anyways... Why do they refuse to use opening bands with drummers ?

Chris Hopson
hopson@sfu.ca
From: crimson@yew.WPI.EDU (Jesus Christ on XTC)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: WaxTrax fate?
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:09:51 GMT
Organization: Russell Street UN*X Consultations
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X-Coffee-of-the-Day: so many different types and it still didn't help..
X-Lyric: I wanna reach out...and touch the sky...

awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) writes:
>Interesting thought - given that the original Jourgensen/Reznor version of
>1000 Homo DJs was blocked by TVT, now that 1000 Homo DJs is one of "their"
>artists, maybe we'll end up seeing the original version becoming available
>legally.
ummm, don't you mean the original version of the 1000 homo djs _song_
"supernaut"?  1000 homo djs existed prior to that track, and had _at least_ one
other 12"...[scrapes some neurons off the floor]...wasn't it after the first
_lead_into_gold_ 12"?

joe



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From: john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: pigface members
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:13:00 GMT
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Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew) 

CHH>>Come on now, Pigface was probably the worst show I had ever seen save
CHH>>  My Life with the Thrill Kill Cult's last tour. Plus there's also the
CHH>>  fact that they refuse to use opening bands with drummers as was the
CHH>>  case with us getting nixed from the show with them here in SF.
CHH>>  Anyways...

CHH>Are you sure you aren't letting bitterness affect your judgement ? When I s
CHH>them I thought they were fantastic, as did many other people I'm sure.

Well, my first problem with the show was Chris Connelly... The man
  should not attempt to "sing" (if he were just running his vocals
  through an AmpMod patch, that would hve been fine). There were a few
  high points at the show when Ogre either took over on vocals or
  doubled, but asides from that, Ogre did nothing but tinker with a
  CZ-101 or fumble with his guitar all night producing feedback. Both of
  the albums that I've heard are horrible (thank god I didn't buy either
  of them, nor pay to see them live at that). And for the record, I held
  this opinion long before there were ever talks concerning opening
  bands.

As for not wanting opening bands with drummers, Feotus was the same way.
  They ended up have this truely horrid FLA ripoff (as if FLA isn't bad)
  open for them called Device. (Yes, I do hate FLA too... I've got some
  great Bill Leeb stories for you about his Puppy days if you're
  interested) Anyways...

T$ / KF
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From: Mark.Wagner@njackn.uucp (Mark Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: FLA sample sources
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:05:02 GMT

Here is my current FLA sample source list:
 
Digital Tension Dementia
 
3:14    "The charges aren't justified." - Apocalypse Now.
 
Big Money (Remix)
 
0:49    "Yet the threat of war is ever more remote." - possibly Jesse 
        Jackson.
 
Lethal Compound
 
0:19    "I want to hear you scream." - The Serpent and the Rainbow.
 
0:26    "I want to hear you scream again." - The Serpent and the Rainbow.
 
0:30    (scream) - The Serpent and the Rainbow.
 
0:34    "Not good enough." - The Serpent and the Rainbow.
 
Resist
 
0:19    "Bio readouts are all green, looks like she's alive." - Aliens.
 
Mindphaser (12" version)
 
0:00    "Jesus had days like this." - Robocop 2.
 
0:24    "Cyborgs: cybernetic organism, use living human tissue, 
        ?reprogramming?." - Robocop 2.
 
2:47    "Quantum leap ?formula?." - Robocop 2.
 
3:24    "OCP ?pioneering? ?cyborg? technology." - Robocop 2.
 
3:28    "State of the art destructive capabilities." - Robocop 2.
 
3:32    "Commanded by a unique combination of software and organic 
        systems." - Robocop 2.
 
Toxic
 
0:00    "Where am I?  Am I dreaming or is this death?  I'm dead, I 
        think." -  Brain Dead, Halsey.
 
4:25    "Where are we?  We're in my brain." - Brain Dead, Halsey and the 
        other Halsey.
 
4:53    "You could call it the kinder, gentler lobotomy." - Brain Dead, 
        Halsey.
 
5:59    "Just another dream.  Oh, thank God." - Brain Dead, nurse and 
        Halsey.
 
Mutilate
 
0:00    "Sometimes we have thoughts that are so frightening we can't 
        even admit to ourselves that we have them." - Brain Dead, Halsey's 
        psychiatrist.
 
0:24    "Did I torment you, did I perhaps even kill your loved ones?  
        Yes you did." - Brain Dead, Halsey's psychiatrist and Halsey.
 
The Blade (Technohead)
 
0:07    "Any means necessary for survival."  possibly a quote of Malcom X.
 
Re-animate
 
0:00    "By the perception of illusion we experience reality." - Brain 
        Dead, Halsey's friend who works for Eunice Corporation (appears in 
        Aliens and Weird Science) or Halsey's psychiatrist.
 
Laughing Pain
 
0:00    "Had a bad childhood?  We can fix it.  Re-sculpt your memory, 
        shorten your perception of ?sign?.  Why not?" - Brain Dead, Halsey's 
        friend who works for Eunice Corporation.
 
0:19    "Oh God" + moaning - Brain Dead, Halsey.
 
Remorse
 
0:08    "?Killer?  Drove a ?ingot? though each of his eyes, then cut of 
        his head."  - possibly George C. Scott

I see the "-end-" symbol quickly approching, so I will have to continue this post in another meassage.  I will porbably the continuation in a message called "FLA sample sources cont'd" or something similar. 

 * Origin: NineJackNine (1:121/99)
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From: tuffyd@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Devin 'Nice Guy' Tuffy)
Subject: Re: pigface memberes
Reply-To: tuffyd@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:19:55 GMT

Ogre : from Skinny Puppy
En Ensch: KMFDM
Mary Biker: Gaye Bikers on Acid
Chris Connely: RevCo, Murder Inc., worked with Ministry
Andrew Weiss:  Rollins Band
William Tucker:  My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult
Matt Schultz:  Lab Report

I cant remember the others at the moment...

BTW, at the NYC show at the Ritz, Genesis P-Orrige (sp?) of Throbbing Gristle &
Psychic TV appeared on stage with them as well...


-- 

Devin Tuffy
tuffyd@rpi.edu

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From: uelmenm@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: DNALVITAGEN & implications of (c)
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:48:26 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

First off, I apologize for taking the reference to (c)rap seriously.  
I'm slowly realizing that it's best to let ignorance exist without 
undue intrusion - and amusement is the highest value.   In response to 
the hip-hop/live instrumentation argument, I will restrain myself from 
arguing about a culture which I am not directly a part of.  To anyone who is 
curious about the state of A-A music, I would recommend a healthy dose 
of your local radio station if you want to see what's up.  From my 
experience in the Bay Area, Los Angeles, and DC, the quality of mixing 
live on the airwaves is quite good these days.  But enough cultural 
appropriation, let's talk about those wacky wacky white guys -

			DNALVITAGEN!

I've gotten a few responses to my offering of the early January "Over 
The Edge" show.  For those who don't want to send for a show they 
already have, the main ideas used were:  Colonel Sanders: "Now there's 
two kinds of chicken . . . "You were born when the grass was high" . . 
. A Ray Bradbury(?) story concerning a couple evading time-travel 
police in Mexico.  If this sounds familiar, don't waste a tape.  If it 
doesn't, send a blank (not DAT, I only have one deck) in a SASE with 
enough return postage to cover a tape (2 stamps should do it).

		UMN Federal Division
 		c/o Matthew Uelmen
		1072 31st NW
		Wash DC 20007

To any ignorami concerned about my offering of duplication services 
and their relation to copyright etc., I think we all know how 
Negativland feels about this subject.  

Speaking of copyright, I'd like to see a focus on this issue which 
seems to be rather hot lately.  Though Negativland might not create 
enough discussion to warrant a newsgroup, this discussion of the 
legal/cultural implications of digital technology is not going away.  
With the rise of CD-ROM and the popularization of samplers, this 
technology is here to stay, and I suspect these discussions will only 
grow in importance and length.  
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:09:44 -0500 
From: "Carey D. Clevenger" <cc79+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ministry sample sources
	<blakesle.727423130@helium>

--->Front Line Assembly take s Hannibal the Cannibles "Go Now" in
--->theiroutcast track

I think they took one of the "Gun" samples from one of the "HellRaiser"
films ("...human hearts I have taken into Hell..."). But, not seeing any
of the "HellRaiser"" films, I am uncertain. 

Carey


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From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: what i've heard from alien.
Originator: ben@ipoint
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:53:05 GMT

pa_aml@dec17.coe.northeastern.edu (Andrew Lewis) writes:

>Is'nt it _The Book of The Law_ not _The Book of Lies_???

>(that Psalm 69 refers too....)

Well, _The_Book_Of_Lies_ has KEFALH that begin with the same notations
that are on the record, and KEFALH 69 in Lies is subtitled, "The Way
To Succeed, and The Way To Suck Eggs", as is the album.

So, in summary: no.

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu