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From: jdalin@devildog.att.com (Jimmy Dalin)
Subject: Re: HELP:  String breakage of the High E on an acoustic.
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:51:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.061033.15709@cis.ohio-state.edu> fullerto@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (timothy dwight fullerton) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Jul25.051708.2615@u.washington.edu>, insomnia@carson.u.washington.edu (Ryan Klemmer) writes:
>>>
>>> What are some good brands of strings in the mid (10-20 dollars) price
>>> range?  I keep breaking the high E string on quite new (1 month old)
>>> strings.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>
>
>	Don't percieve this as a flame...If you play at least a half an hour
>five days a week or therabouts, then after a month your strings are quite OLD.
>Your skin oil corrodes them, and the frets divot them. If your picking
>technique is hard at all, then I could expect the high E to break after that
>much time.
>

I respectfully disagree.  I've been playing acoustic guitar for 30 years,
and while I admit I should change my strings more regularly, I commonly keep
strings on for more than 30 days without a problem.  Could there be a burr on
the nut, saddle, or tuning machine that the high E string rubs against?  Are
you de-tuning it to go to open tunings?  Try a different brand of string.
Are your hands particularly sweaty and/or acidic?

I do agree that $10 - $20 is far too much to pay.  Call Elderly Instruments
in Lansing, Michigan (get their 800 number by calling 1-800-555-1212) and
ask for their string catalog.  You can buy strings for under $5 a pack.  I
use GHS bright bronze, for what it's worth, and they're under $4 in
quantities of 12.
-- 
Jim Dalin            "No Salga Afuera"  
AT&T                    N.Y.C.T.A.
ATTMail id: !jdalin            
Compuserve: 72260,1573
From: cc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Chris Conway)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Fingerpicking Guitar
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:08:43 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
Originator: cc@kelvin

Does anyone know of a good course in fingerpicking guitar, preferably
one that comes in a book/cassette combination ? 

Chris.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: U2:The Edge
From: Michael.Bremford@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Mike Bremford)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:04:52 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Keywords: U2:the edge


Funny you should ask about playing style... I have seen some tabs for U2 stuff
(but don't have any... sorry) and he seems to do stuff like playing the same note
on several strings (cross stringing?) eg. This is a fairly recognisable one

E+-0-----0-- Play the first one over and over, then switch to the second one.
B+-12----10-
G+-9-----9-- Can't remember which song is from... should recognise it.
D+---------- This style stuck in my mind when I saw it for some reason. He seems
A+---------- to play a lot of two or three string combos, carrying the tune/riff
E+---------- on just one of them.

	Not a lot of help, but maybe its a start...

	Cheers... Mike
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: <none>
From: ajc@phys.canterbury.ac.nz (James Curzon)
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:44:16 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand.
Keywords: U2:the edge

Does anybodu out there have any ideas as to how the Edge achievies his guitar sounds and the some TABs to songs off The Unforgettable Fire (their best album) specifically Pride and Bad. Any help would be greatly apprechiated.
Thanking you 
James
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: john@bagman.b30.ingr.com (John C Finley)
Subject: Re: Advice on Boogie Studio .22 amp wanted...
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:10:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.184632.11997@unixg.ubc.ca>, dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller) writes:
|> In 6598 Robyn Landers wrote:  
|> "      Now I have something shocking to pass along.  I recently
|> was in a Boogie delership nearby wer the clerk claimed that the
|> Peavey Bravo (all tube, uses those sweet EL84s just like the .2
|> sounds so much better than the .22 for lots es money.
|> I haven't heard one, but it's worth investigating."
|> 
|> (Sorry for dropouts. My buffer's fault.)
|> 
|> This discussion has been running around for quite a while now. Peavey seems
|> to have really stepped up the quality and sound on their tube amps, such
|> that the Bravo and Classic amps rival or surpass similar Fenders and even
|> Boogies (and approach Dumbles?). And cheaply, too. What gives? Is there
|> a company actually doing something right for a change?
|> 
|>       :=:=> Derek K. Miller                 dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca
|>       Researcher, Alma Mater Society        thegrodd@tz.ucs.sfu.ca
|>       University of British Columbia, Canada
|> 

IMHO,

i disagree...the other day a friend of mine and i tested out a Peavey Classic 50
(more or less a Bassman copy with overdrive) and a Fender Bassman reissue to see
how they stacked up against one another...the Fender had a great clean sound at
a low volume and got nice and crunchy when you cranked it up...the Peavey had
a good clean sound an a very nice overdrive sound at low volume, but crapped out
when we turned it up (my friend calls the Peavey's sound flatulant:-)...i think
it may have had to do with the speakers...Peavey's improved, but they're not in
the same ballpark as my Mesa Boogie and no way in hell can they compare to a
handmade masterpiece like a Dumble...Peavey's good at manufacturing amps 
inexpensively and they've improved their designs and quality control, but i
just don't think they're in the same game as Boogie and shouldn't be
mentioned in the same breath as Dumble...

the best thing about a Peavey is that it's cheap and easy to resell to a 
beginner when you buy a better amp...

johncfinley

john@bagman.b30.ingr.com
From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: MultiTrackin!
Date: 22 Jul 1992 00:21:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdacs.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Jul21.013640.21100@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> cday@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Craig Day) writes:
>quick rundown. Another thing ... 4 tracks makes for only 4 musical
>elements right? - so how do I record a bass 2 guitar tracks, drums and a
>singer????? - not enuff room???
>
>	Craig!
>	Email:day_c@kultarr.cs.uwa.oz.au

(lots of stuff deleted from above message)
I'm posting this, 'cause I'm sure there's lots I won't say, but:

No, I've heard a four track can (theoretically) record up to 16 parts.
Record tracks 1-4, 'ping-pong' them down to track 1, then record tracks 2-4,
down to track 2, record 3 and 4, down to 3, finally track 4.  That's 10.
I think the way to get more is to keep ping-ponging away.  You lose the
ability to re-mix this way.  Can anybody correct me on this?  I know it's
not right.  I have a 4-track and have never tried this, but I hope to use
a similiar technique soon to record a bunch of drums, ping-pong them to one
channel, then add bass, git, vocals, horns using similiar ping-ponging.  How
do I do this without losing clarity?


Michael K. Breen
singing and philosophizing
(and bracing for a true lesson in 4-track multi-tracking...)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: jlarke@uglymouse.css.itd.umich.edu (Jason Larke)
Subject: Re: Chris Squire fan
Keywords: Taurus, Yes, Squire
Reply-To: jlarke@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:04:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.030626.2675@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
gse9k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans) writes:
> 
> >And most importantly-  does anybody have TAB versions of these
> >songs that I might take a look at? i'm specifically looking for songs
> >from "The Yes Album" and "Fragile".  But anything from "Yes" to "Union"
> >will make me happy.
> 

     Regarding sub-E notes and Squire's sound- as I recall from an old  
Guitar for the Practicing Musician, Squire recorded later albums (90125  
on) using a 5-string with the B-string tuned down to A. Let's also not  
forget that Yes were big users of Taurus pedals, which can create insanely  
low notes with grotesque sustain.
From: pturner@sedona.intel.Com (Pete Turner)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Lemon pARTs?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:08:17 GMT
Originator: pturner@nevin


In article <1992Jul23.083842.4463@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi (Pasi Korhonen) writes:
|> 
|> 	I think that ART was made of the ashes of MXR in around '85 or so.
|> 	Some digital reverb was their 1st product. 
|> 
|> 	Pasi
|> 

	I did some checking...they are the remains of MXR. From what I was told, after
	MXR went "El Foldo", the R&D engineering group fronted the bucks to the bank to
	buy up all the old patents, and start a new company. It's funny, but I remember
	MXR selling quality devices...what happened??!?!?

	Pete
-- 
 ______________________________________________________________________________

 Pete Turner              | "I'm not looking back -- but I want to look
 Intel Corporation        |  around me now"
 5000 W. Chandler Blvd.   |
 M/S CH3-36               |  -- Geddy Lee/Neil Peart
 Chandler, AZ 85226       | ---------------------------------------------------
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 ATT: (602) 554-8906      |  place 'The Valley of the Sun'...they should call
 FAX: (602) 554-7281      |  it 'The Surface of the Sun'!..."
                          |
                          |  -- Some unknown late-night comic
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From: hlh5721@zeus.tamu.edu (JIMI HENDRIX)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: A True Story (was Lemon parts?)
Date: 22 Jul 1992 21:31:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul22.200801.29076@sj.nec.com>, bigdave@texas.tdd.sj.nec.com (David Sweeney  x2987) writes...
>kevins@eng.auburn.edu (Kevin Sullivan) writes:
>>Lemon parts, lemon song, whatever.
>>
>>I was at the mall bookstore checking out magazines last nite.
>>Two kids are looking through "Guitar for the Cheezy Musician,
>>with *Transcripts*" or something like that.  One transcript is 
>>for "The Lemon Song".  Kid 1 says "Lemon Song".  Kid 2 says 
>>"Isn't that by Def Leppard?"  [sp. - who cares?]  Kid 1: "No, 
>>it's Led Zeppelin." ["]  Kid 2: "Whatever, I always get those 
>>two mixed up."  I was holding my breath.
>>
>>True story, I kid you not.  Just thought you might get a kick 
>>out of it. 

Wierd, the kid knew his zep well enough to reckognize a lesser known song
but then thought it was by *GASP* Def leppard..........






> 
>Kick?  More like a cold shiver...
> 
>Dave



LEE HUDDLESTON,                 
Texas A&M University,
College St. TX

"This views expressed are mine and are not necessarily those of
  Texas A&M University, its faculty, staff nor students"
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: bill@verdix.com (William Spencer)
Subject: Re: Amp Survey
Organization: Verdix Corp.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:41:36 GMT

Practice:

 Yamaha GEP 50 fx, Soundcraftsman EQ, 400 watt Carver amp,
 Dipole speaker 4'x4' with 6 15s + 1 mid driver.

This system has bass to ~25 Hz with proper EQ and sounds great. Usually played
near full power (and usually after midnight). Yes you need this kind of
response, even when practicing on a four string, that's what bass is about.
However it is inadequate for band playing except when I want to smell smoke.

Bill s
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: need help fast
From: greenspa@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:02:18 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

Need opinions fast...local music store has a fender squire p-bass
short scale...modifications...defretted with emg's pj configuration
rosewood neck...(i'm jonesin'for a fretless i guess) $265 w/ hard
case...think i should get it? btw it's a jap squire, unknown year
unknown wood, but solid at least (not composite)...help...i'd
sure appreciate your input and FAST (only 30 minutes before i 
gotta go.) thanks. russ.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: ro@panix.com (r l reid)
Subject: Re: Lemon parts? -- Try something meatier!
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:19:52 GMT
Organization: Playdoh's Republic


>On another note:  Anyone have some good "salesman-on-commission" stories?

Yep - a good one too.  Fellow who sold me my Washburn Axess Fretless.
I settled on it, and he went to check stock.  None!  Can I get the one
on the wall, then?  Except that it's missing the plastic tip for this
switch.  He got a few more bucks knocked off the price for that (as
I expected him to), but then he took half his lunch hour to take
me not to HIS people's repair shop, but to his buddy down the
street, who machined one up for me, and paid for it out of his own pocket
(therefore commision).  He left just before the luthier was done, and
he told me that Marco was a great gguy who will try his best not
just to make a sale but to be helpful, and to be sure the customer
is actually happy.

This was on 47th street, and it was such a pleasure to get a break
from the saleperson attitude that there is so much of there (actually,
I've run into very little attitude in the guitar and bass departments.
My bad experiences seem to all be in the synth and electronic departments.)



-- 
		r l reid	ro@panix.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt)
Subject: Re: A True Story (was Lemon parts?)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 06:16:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.033604.1@cc.helsinki.fi> jpmakela@cc.helsinki.fi (jP M{kel{) writes:
>	So no one of us knew that Led Zeppelin stole it from
>	Robert Johnson? (At least the main theme of lyrics)
>
Actually, I think originally it was a Howling Wolf song. At least I have
a version of it dating back to the mid 50's or so that's by him. On that
version, the lyrics and musical theme are identical. The Howling Wolf
version is in a medium-fast 2 instead of a slow triplet beat, though.
   Led Zeppelin got quite a few of their early songs from black American
blues musicians, notably Willie Dixon.
-- 
Steve Schmidt			<><		   whale@leland.stanford.edu

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Walt Kelly
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: loffit@wam.umd.edu (Dixie Cup)
Subject: Re: A True Story (was Lemon parts?)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:27:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.061650.16592@leland.Stanford.EDU> whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt) writes:
>Actually, I think originally it was a Howling Wolf song. At least I have
>a version of it dating back to the mid 50's or so that's by him. On that
>version, the lyrics and musical theme are identical. The Howling Wolf
>version is in a medium-fast 2 instead of a slow triplet beat, though.
>   Led Zeppelin got quite a few of their early songs from black American
>blues musicians, notably Willie Dixon.

Yeah, it was "Killing Floor" by Howling Wolf I think.  I guess "I Can't Quit
You Baby" and "You Shook Me" came from Willie Dixon and "When the Levee Breaks"
came from Memphis Minnie.  But come on, Zeppelin took these songs so far
beyond the originals.  Sure it was kind of underhanded not to originally
credit the bluesmen, but I can understand why Jimmy wouldn't think it
necessary.
From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Lemon parts? -- Try something meatier!
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:31:42 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I've been reading the "ART -- STAY AWAY" articles and think to myself...
Yep.  They're right.  Looking back to the capabilities on the SGE, makes me
want to gag.  Anyway this group is about BASS, not guitar...or is it?  

My point is that even though most effects are labeled NightBASS or SuperGUITAR
or whatever.  That doesn't necessarily mean that guitar effects ABSOLUTELY
COULD NOT BE USED for bass.  

Look at the Alesis Quadraverb.  It's used in hundreds of FX-racks for the mains
of a system and in hundreds of FX-racks for guitarists.  The Quadraverb GT does
one big thing for this original design...ADDS A PREAMP!!!!!  With the Quad GT
you have MUCH control over your sound.  It processes sound from 5 Hz to 20000
Hz, so it would handle a bass.  For the tons of quality that you get with this
machine, you only have a cost of $500-$550.  Then get an ART midi-pedal for
$100-$120 and you are set. 

I've played this through a Peavey stack, a Fender Bassman, and a Crate stack. 
It has sounded great on all of them.  As I have said before, go to your local
music store and ask to plug a bass into the Quad GT and check it out.

Real men play 5's,
Evan Marshall
marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
From: benedett@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Davide Benedetti)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Californian bass players
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:51:44 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

Hi everybody out there !! I am Italian and I am here in California for my
company for about 1 more week (SIGH!!).I am a bass player and a fan of Jeff
Berlin.I have read a lot of articles in this newsgroup but none of them was
referncing him as one of the best bass players.
Everybody wrote about Patitucci (good but too cold ), hard-rock players,
Brian Bromberg (I have heard about him but never his music ..) but none
mentioned Jeff.I have two records of his own and I went to his concert in
Varese (Italy) where he played with John McLaughlin.
In my opinion he is one of the best : he has a good technique in soloing
(terrific taste !!).
So, does anybody know him ? Can anybody give me the titles of further
records he recorded (I have "Pump it!" and "Champion", which I suggest you
to listen to) ?

Thank you in advance for your help.


				Ciao DAVIDE
From: pturner@sedona.intel.Com (Pete Turner)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: RE: ART Nightbass -- Lemon parts?
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:09:15 GMT
Originator: pturner@nevin



|> I can only say this about ART: STAY AWAY!!  They are a small company that
|> is rushing new products to market early, too early!  If you like being a
|> pioneer, and have money to throw away, then go for it.  I seriously doubt
|> they will stay in business for more than a couple years unless they start
|> taking quality seriously.
|> 

Well, here's a question: how long has ART existed? I don't even know where
they are based.

It's rather surprising that the Nightbass is such a piece of sh*t. After
playing it once, I could definately tell that *somebody* put a lot of thought
into it's design. It's too bad they didn't extend themselves by putting the
same amount of forethought into the manufacturing as well!

Hey John, one more thing, do you remember *where* it was manufactured (USA,
Japan, etc.)?
-- 
 ______________________________________________________________________________

 Pete Turner              | "I'm not looking back -- but I want to look
 Intel Corporation        |  around me now"
 5000 W. Chandler Blvd.   |
 M/S CH3-36               |  -- Geddy Lee/Neil Peart
 Chandler, AZ 85226       | ---------------------------------------------------
 pturner@sedona.intel.com | "...yeah, I've been to Phoenix...they call that
 ATT: (602) 554-8906      |  place 'The Valley of the Sun'...they should call
 FAX: (602) 554-7281      |  it 'The surface of the Sun'!..."
                          |
                          |  -- Some unknown late-night comic
 ______________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: gse9k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans)
Subject: Re: Flying basses
Reply-To: thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans)
Organization: or lack thereof
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:49:39 GMT

casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:

>I was wondering if anyone has any experience with taking their 
>axe on jetliners.  Either horror stories or helpful hints on 
>minimizing the damage potential.  I am pretty sure the case
>will protect the instrument itself against most damage,
>but obviously I'd hate to see the case banged up either.


I took my bass on the Delta Shuttle from New York to DC a while ago.
I had high hopes that they would let me carry it on, since the
flight was almost empty, and the people at the ticket counter 
didn't think that would be a problem.  But as soon as I set foot
in the door, the stewardess told me (in a voice that assumed I was
in kindergarden) that I'd have to check it.  She called a baggage
handler and had them put a ticket on it that said I would pick
it up at the gate rather than have it brought in on the truck and
thrown on the conveyor belt.  

When I got off the plane, there is was...no problem.  Of course, this
was a short domestic flight.  The point is, if they're going to make
you check it, do it like I did and make them do it while you're
getting on the plane.  Have them tag it the same way as well.
This way it almost never touches a baggage smasher's hands.

Good luck!


s
Xref: sparky alt.guitar.bass:960 alt.guitar:6258
From: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com (Tom Testagrossa)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass,alt.guitar
Subject: FOR SALE:BRAND NEW Rickenbacker basses 4003/S-$699,& 4003 -$795
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:17:15 GMT
Reply-To: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com (Tom Testagrossa)
Followup-To: alt.guitar.bass
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard, Ma.


	Neither one of these basses has EVER been played! (I'm not a bass
player!)
      Both of these basses were ordered by a friend who unfortunately
      was not able to pay for them (even at a very GOOD price!) 

			    	FOR SALE
    	BRAND NEW Maple-glo (natural) Rickenbacker 4003/S bass (Mono, Dot
    inlaid fingerboard, no binding) Includes hard case and warrentee!
    	The price is $699, case included!

    				also FOR SALE
    BRAND NEW Jet-glo Black Rickenbacker 4003 bass (Stereo, triangle inlaid
    fingerboard) Includes hard case and warrentee!
    	The price is $795, case included!

	(That's nearly $100 less than most music stores will sell one for,
    and probably as close to dealer cost as you are likely to get...)


    	Shipping within the U.S. can be arranged...
    Contact me via E-mail if interested...
From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: RE: Lemon pARTs?
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:49:06 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Jul22.163227.21379@unislc.uucp>, merk@unislc.uucp (John Merk) writes...
>> Well, here's a question: how long has ART existed? I don't even know where
>> they are based.
>> 
> 
>ART is based out of Rochester, NY.  They also have a branch in California, but
>I don't recall where.  I'm not sure how long they've been around, but I don't
>recall seeing any of their stuff until about 2 years ago.

They have been around at least five or six years.  I remember seeing digital
reverbs from them about the same time Alesis came onto the market.


					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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From: pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi (Pasi Korhonen)
Subject: Re: Lemon pARTs?
Organization: Ripoff Industries
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 08:38:42 GMT

>> Well, here's a question: how long has ART existed? I don't even know where
>> they are based.
>> 
>
>ART is based out of Rochester, NY.  They also have a branch in California, but
>I don't recall where.  I'm not sure how long they've been around, but I don't
>recall seeing any of their stuff until about 2 years ago.


	I think that ART was made of the ashes of MXR in around '85 or so.
	Some digital reverb was their 1st product. 

	Pasi

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