Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Bugger it
From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 09:49:06 NZST
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand

linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden) writes:

> 
> > F. The CIA, NSA and 11 different secret govt organizations tap & bug everyt
> 
> I believe that this was wrongly changed from "true" to "false" because of the
> blatherings of one of the NZers who complained that the CIA wasn't bugging hi
> toothbrush.
> 
> Clearly, the phrase implictly means "everything important".
> I would like to request that the line be reinstated as:
> T. The CIA, NSA and 11 different secret govt organizations tap & bug everythi
> 
> For example, listening to a public policy discussion on public radio on Dec 2
> 1992, I heard a man identify himself as the CIA employee who monitors Usenet!
> [Hi Roger.] Also, the US and British Govts record all transatlantic telephone
> conversations for reasons I can only speculate on.   
> 
> The way the FAQ stands now, it makes it seem as though the US government does
> intrude on private communication, when the opposite is the case.

Sorry to introduce some facts into this newsgroup, but

1. It was I who asked for evidence of the statement that was "100% scientific
truth".
2. Some American then thought that his scanner wasn't currently bugged, even
though Kibo hand't rearranged his diodes.
3. Then the FAQ changed.
4. Can you offer any evidence that all transatlantic telephone conversations
are recorded. I have only heard from a FOAF that this is "known" because
governments have known things that they could only have known through
monitoring these conversations.
5. I'm just curious, that's all. I would just love to see some of the evidence.
6. By definition, the FAQ entry could never be T, but rather Tb or U. If 
you had enough evidence to show it was T then the organisations would no
longer, IMO be secret, and thus it would be F (or need the word secret
removed).

ObUl: A telecom employee, who also swears over the truth of the transatlantic
cable, says that in about 1989 every telephone exchange in New Zealand was
connected so that every telephone conversation goes through a central
exchange in Auckland where all conversations are recorded - forever. A
scanning device picks up key words such as heroin. He also says that the
device can detect the use of codewords; eg. a plumber who talks about going
to pick up the "flowers" a lot would be reported; a florist would not, so it
is context sensitive.

There's more. He states that Telecom own that big black building on the 
corner of Mayoral Drive and Wellesley Street. Telecom was going to move into
it, but the plans never eventuated. But it is definitely owned by Telecom.
What's more, there are no windows in the building and NO DOORS. Entrance is
supposed to be by a secret underground tunnel, but no one knows where the
entrance is (except, presumably THEM).

This is the same FOAF who read about the LSD researchers and claims they
admitted to lying about the people going blind.


So there you are!




-- 
  Wayne McDougall, BCNU

"I hate quotations." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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