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From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: OLYMPIC SEMI-FINAL
Date: 15 Aug 1992 10:43:44 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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> >>>>> "Jesper" == Jesper Lauridsen (rorschak@daimi.aau.dk)
> 
> Jesper> At taenke sig, Polen ville slet ikke have kommet med hvis ikke Claus
> Jesper> Thomsen havde oedelagt sig knae....
> 
> Du mene ".....hvis ikke en polak havede oedelagt Claus Thomsen knae"?

Om inte om varit, hade mycket varit annorlunda.
> 
> /Lars

Kent
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Subject: Re: World Cup 94 - African Qualifiers
Reply-To: harin@iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:44:06 GMT

In article 8288@noiro.acs.uci.edu, kaseko@krypton.its.uci.edu (Mohamed Kaseko) writes:
>How about the fixtures for the rest of the groups??
>and the playoffs for the final 3 (?) spots?

There are 9 qualifying groups for Africa. The 9 group winners qualify for a second round of 3 mini-leagues of 3 teams each.
The 3 mini-league winners qualify for WC 94.

The fixtures for the 9 groups are:

*** 1994 WORLD CUP - AFRICA GROUP A ***

Algeria, Ghana, Uganda, Burundi

09/10/92 ALG-BUR
09/10/92 GHA-UGA
23/10/92 BUR-GHA
23/10/92 UGA-ALG
18/12/92 BUR-UGA
18/12/92 GHA-ALG

*** WORLD CUP 1994 - AFRICA GROUP B ***

Cameroon, Zaire, Liberia, Swaziland

09/10/92 CAM-SWA
09/10/92 ZAI-LIB
23/10/92 LIB-CAM
23/10/92 SWA-ZAI
18/12/92 SWA-LIB
18/12/92 ZAI-CAM

*** 1994 WORLD CUP - AFRICA GROUP C ***

Egypt, Angola, Zimbabwe, Togo

09/10/92 EGY-ANG
09/10/92 ZIM-TOG
23/10/92 ANG-ZIM
23/10/92 TOG-EGY
18/12/92 ANG-TOG
18/12/92 ZIM-EGY

*** 1994 WORLD CUP - AFRICA GROUP D ***

Nigeria, Congo, Libya, S. Africa

09/10/92 CON-LIB
09/10/92 NIG-SA
23/10/92 LIB-NIG
23/10/92 SA-CON
18/12/92 CON-NIG
18/12/92 SA-LIB

*** WORLD CUP 1994 - AFRICA GROUP E ***

Ivory Coast, Sudan, Niger, Botswana

09/10/92 IC -BOT
09/10/92 SUD-NIG
23/10/92 BOT-SUD
23/10/92 NIG-IC
18/12/92 BOT-NIG
18/12/92 SUD-IC

*** 1994 WORLD CUP - AFRICA GROUP F ***

Morocco, Tunisia, Benin, Ethiopia

09/10/92 MOR-ETH
09/10/92 TUN-BEN
23/10/92 ETH-TUN
23/10/92 BEN-MOR
18/12/92 ETH-BEN
18/12/92 TUN-MOR

*** 1994 WORLD CUP - AFRICA GROUP G ***

Senegal, Gabon, Mozambique, Mauretania

09/10/92 GAB-MOZ
09/10/92 SEN-MAU
23/10/92 MAU-GAB
23/10/92 MOZ-SEN
18/12/92 GAB-SEN
18/12/92 MAU-MOZ

*** 1994 WORLD CUP - AFRICA GROUP H ***

Zambia, Madagascar, Namibia, Tanzania

09/10/92 MAD-NAM
09/10/92 ZAM-TAN
23/10/92 NAM -ZAM
23/10/92 TAN-MAD
18/12/92 MAD-ZAM
18/12/92 TAN-NAM

*** 1994 WORLD CUP - AFRICA GROUP I ***

Kenya, Guinea, Mali, Gambia

09/10/92 GUI-MAL
09/10/92 KEN-GAM
23/10/92 GAM-GUI
23/10/92 MAL-KEN
18/12/92 GAM-MAL
18/12/92 GUI-KEN


Cheers,
	Harin
	~~~~~

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    Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore
            harin@iti.gov.sg        or      harinder@itivax.bitnet
            Tel: (65) 772 0383              Fax: (65) 777 3043
From: psgjf@cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Predictions - English Premier League
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:17:56 GMT
Organization: Flinders University
Originator: psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au


Joo Tan and Gary Hval have made their predictions, and here's mine.
If anybody else wants to post theirs as well, I'll archive them for
post mortems at the end of the Season, when I'm celebrating another
double by The Arsenal!

1. Arsenal		- who else? A potent attack and Jensen in midfield.

2. Liverpool		- will bounce back with Rush and McManaman in form.

3. Leeds		- Chapman more goals, and Cantona now settled in.

4. Manchester United	- always thereabouts.

5. Sheffield Wednesday	- will give the top sides a real tussle.

6. Aston Villa		- much more experienced now.

7. Nottingham Forest	- getting ready to move right to the top.

8. Manchester City	- will score lots of goals, but not enough.

9. Tottenham		- should have a better more settled season.

10. Everton		- can they begin to rise back up the rankings?

11. QPR			- will just be a middle of the table side.

12. Sheffield United	- only if they show some consistency.

13. Crystal Palace	- will need a lot of luck.

14. Blackburn Rovers	- money isn't everything.

15. Chelsea		- will the replacements be good enough?

16. Ipswich		- should do well enough to stay up.

17. Wimbledon		- unpopularity survives.

18. Oldham		- can just manage to stay up.

19. Middlesborough	- living on the edge of the drop.

20. Norwich		- entertaining is not enough.

21. Southampton		- lack quality and depth.

22. Coventry		- now is the hour when we must say goodbye!

Well, what do you think?

We could assess who has come closest in their predictions by working
out a score based on the difference between the predicted position
and the actual position.  This is a simple statistical task and not
too demanding as I'd have the whole season to enter the predictions
into the database.  I could even give regular updates of who was
closest at certain stages during the season.

Let's get those predictions flooding in. Either post for all to see
(and comment) or Email me at the address below.

Cheers, Geoff.

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From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Shitty NBC coverage: Please post results
Date: 12 Aug 1992 18:04:19 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>>Man,
>>We should all write a letter to NBC to protest their Shitty coverage
>>of soccer in the olympics. This SOB show some sports that are not even
>>popular in this country(USA).
>>Hopefully this is not going to happen during the world CUP 94.

	Does anyone have the address where we could write?

Olympic Triple Cast
P.O. Box 582
Woodbury, NY 11797

also

NBC Programming
Richard Eversol
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10112

Once again I say, I did it, nows your turn!

Francis.
From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Uruguay (WAS:FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Date: 18 Aug 1992 21:49:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <16rjsdINN79u@agate.berkeley.edu> mazzarel@spam.berkeley.edu (Ariel Mazzarelli) writes:
>I think the assessment of Uruguay as a weak team is a bit unfair.  The team 
>that showed up in Mexico '86 and Italia '90 performed well below their 
>potential.  There are objective reasons why this should be so: all but a 
>handful of players on the squad play in Europe,  which means that they don't 
>get a chance to play together except for the two months preceding the 
>tournament.

The debate was over the right number of South American entries in the WC dra-
wing. Objectively, it can only be estimated by looking at past performance
in the world cup;Uruguay just does not make the cut,which should  not be 
necessarily interpreted as "Uruguayan soccer is weak." 
>
>I wish FIFA would enact some rules that guarantee that a player can play for
>their national team in official games.  As I recall now, Uruguay didn't even
>have Francescoli in the last game of the qualifying round for Italia. He
>watched the game, but could not play in it, because Uruguay's federation
>could not afford to pay his club.  That is a disgrace.

Absolutely true. Even countries such as Denmark have a hard time every now and
then in gathering all their mercenaries for important games. Small countries 
are at a huge disadvantage since their national soccer associations have lit-
tle money to spend for compensating foreign clubs.

And, last but not least: no matter how good some Uruguayans players look in Eu-
rope and how shinny are some of the soccer trophies Uruguay collected 60 years 
ago, no one can seriously argue that they match Brazil or Argebtina at this
point in time...
-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics
From: Juergen.Schaepker@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Juergen Schaepker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Bebeto
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:04:56 GMT
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany

shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:

>I had read that Bebeto was going to Spain, and then I 
>read that he was going to play for Dortmund in the 
>Bundeliga, but then he showed up with the Brazilian national
>team in Los Angeles two weeks before the Bundesliga was
>to begin.  Where is he playing?  

About this:

Dortmund and Bebeto have already had an agreement for the transfer but
then there came an offer from Deportivo La Coruna (sp?), Spain, and as
it was said, Bebeto's wife preferred to move to Spain.

>Thanks,
>Ken S.

CU
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From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spain-Poland discussion
Date: 15 Aug 1992 03:50:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug14.092411.1@zodiac.rutgers.edu> jaramillo@zodiac.rutgers.edu writes:
>	To everybody writing about football in Spain:
>	BUT: Please, do not say that the referee was favouring Spain, or that
>everything was organized so Spain would win ANY WAY. As Spaniard, and lover of
>football, I do not like to hear such things.

Well I did see the game. Spain deserved to win and it won in the last second
with a great deal of luck, and with great refferee help...
First, the Colombian ref awarded Spain an imaginary free kick that resulted 
in the equalizing goal; even the American comentator qualified the decison
as erroneous.
A few minutes later Lopez clearly took down a Polish attacker in the Spanish
penalty box; one may argue the Colombian did not SEE the infraction.
Alas, the replay has him starring at Lopez from 10m away, enjoying what can be
unequivocally defined as a perfectly unobstructed view..
Now, not that I am a soccer guru or something. I played first league soccer
in Romania for two years or so and I palyed soccer at other levels for ano-
ther 20 years now; I watched probably close to 1000 games. And if somebody
forced me to take a guess I'd say the Colombian never intended to be impar-
tial to start with...
Again, Spain deserved to win since it attacked more than Poland did and also
seemed to miraculously find resources whenever necessary. 
I'd have a different taste in my mouth though, had they done so unassisted..`

> During many years, one Spanish
>team, Real Madrid, has been accused of having the help of the referees. 
>I am a supporter of another Spanish team from Madrid, Atletico, and I NEVER
>thought that this could be really true, although sometimes it would seem.
>instead of trying to find something / someone responsible for that.

A true anecdote; sonetime in the 60's Real Madrid played Dinamo in Bucharest
in the Champions' Cup; as expected, they won 3-1 , Di Stefano leading them
magnificently. Although the fate of the game had never been in balance, the
ref made calls which clearly and consistently favored Real.Anytime Dinamoi
crossed midfield carrying the ball
he'd invent something and award Real an indirect kick. My father, at that
time encharged with protocol matters at the Romanian Football Association
untangled the mistery: before each game, teams were allowed to make small
symbolic presents to the ref such as key-chains, pens, insignias, with their
team logo.
Real Madrid was giving away solid gold watches to all three refferees!

Cheers!

-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FIFA proposed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:31:07 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Ken" == shadlin  (shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu)

Ken> It is hardly a "free" spot for the holder-- they won the World Cup.

Whatever. I used "free" to refer to the fact that this spot is not
counted when deciding should go to Europe, S.America, etc., as far as
I know. You can say "extra" or "bonus" if you like that better.

/Lars
--
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CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
From: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rename this group?
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:53:35 GMT
Reply-To: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <FISCHER.92Aug15025249@steiner.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
>> 
>> Conor> 	Doesn't football sound better than either of them though?
>> 
>> The name of a newsgroup serves *one* purpose: to identify the topic
>> of discussion as well as possible, avoiding misunderstanding wherever
>> possible. R.s.s. does this very well, we all know what soccer is
     [...]
>> 
>> The creator of r.s.s. had a rare moment of realism and saw this from
>> the outset. Hence, r.s.s. is named in such a way as to avoid conflict
>> with another groups and this keeps the noise down. If only people
>> 
>> 
     I agree with you that the name rec.sport.soccer does the job of
 uniquely identifying which sport is the subject of this newsgroup,
 even if many people (including myself) don't like the name soccer. At
 least nobody has to include the word in their articles if they don't
 like it.

     I'm sure the naming of r.s.s didn't have anything to do with moments 
 of realism. For a start rec.sport.football already existed, and I suspect
 that there was a large U.S. influence in creating r.s.s anyway, in which
 case it would never have been called anything else.

>> again. The fact that a number of games around the world have
>> independently named "football" lead to problems and clashes, but it
>> does not mean that anyone is stealing or is being arrogant. Actually,
>> you cannot expect England to get it their way every time. The

     The issue here is not "a number of games", but one game in particular,
 which happens to be the most popular game in the world, and is probably
 the National sport of a majority of countries in the world. In just
 about all of those countries, the name of this sport is (or translates
 into English as) football.

     What has it got to do with England getting its own way? For a start,
 "soccer" is actually an English colloquialism, and is used by (some)
 English (and British) people ... it is just not a very popular term.
 There are plenty of fans from lots of countries other than England who
 dislike the name soccer, and for whom any connections with 19th century
 Harrow/Oxford must be extremely tenuous.

     Regards, Steve.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: US News and stuff
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:11:45 GMT

Tab Ramos was sold from Figueras to Real Betis for 350,000.

I was hoping that Tab would be sold to the First Division this year but
it looks like he will have to spend at least one more year in the second
division.  He will be reunited with his old coach from Figueras Jorge
D'Allessandro who moved over to Betis in July.

Cobi Jones and Mike Lapper will get their first shot at the big time when
they accompany the US National on their tour of Italy.  I believe that it
will mark the debut of both players for the National team.

It what has to be a great honor for an American, Claudio Reyna was invited to
train with FC Barcelona at its preseason camp in Odoorn, Netherlands.  Lets
hope he impresses so that they might put hin in some sort of farm system for 
their younger players.

Andy
From: tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Zych)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: a simple question...
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:13:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bt8KyA.7q3
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

While watching my tape of the FA Cup final last night, I realized that there
is one field marking which I do not understand.  Namely, the arc outside of
the 18 yard box.  Does this line actually have a purpose, or is it a 
"traditional" marking which used to have a purpose but no longer does?  As I
said, a simple question, but one which will bug me until I find out the
answer...

Tom Zych   tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: hofmeist@zorro.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Thomas Hofmeister)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Bundesliga 1, first results
Date: 14 Aug 1992 19:52:11 GMT
Organization: CS Department, University of Dortmund, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: zorro
Originator: hofmeist@zorro

Bundesliga 1 started today, friday, August, 14th.

Here are the first results:

   Nuernberg 0 - 0  Bremen
Kais'lautern 1 - 0  1.FC Koeln
  Leverkusen 1 - 1  Saarbruecken

By the way, Beckenbauer played for Saarbruecken.
(Stefan, son of Franz...)

The first round will be completed tomorrow.
Results and details will be posted and emailed then.
From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: rec.sport.soccer (general)
Date: 19 Aug 1992 09:36:06 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I don't know your resources (books, memory, friends, whatever), but you 
people as a lot have an incredible amount of information.

Ignoring all the bickering and arguing, I must complement all of you 
for such a broad knowledge and for such strong enthusiasm towards *the* sport!

I hope that some day more Americans will share just half as much 
enthusiasm. I'm an optimist and believe that, that day soon will come!


Cheers!

Francis.

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From: marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch)
Subject: Re: Worldclass tournament (was Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America)
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:42:10 GMT

In article <l92ogkINN8iv@pollux.usc.edu> cluck@pollux.usc.edu (Carlos L. Luck) writes:
>In article <16r5phINN4nd@agate.berkeley.edu> 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>>Now, no matter how partisan you can be, I do not see how you could possibly
>>enroll these facts in the service of the argument you made. South America has
>>only two teams that do count: Brazil and Argentina. Commonly known facts 
>>simply do not support the assertion that any other team of that area is of 
>>international caliber... 

If you want to put it that way, then it could also be said that only
Germany, Italy should make it into the World Cup competition. There are
teams like Scotland, Wales, Irland, Spain, Denmark, Rumania, Bulgaria,
and so on .... , that don't make a bit of difference in the WC as a matter of
fact these teams are boring to watch (I should add England but they 
made it to Semis in WC 90). I think its time that Europe release its
stranglehold on all the WC spots which they possess. Football has pretty
much evened up allover the globe, and most Eurpean teams are average
calliber. And personally I would much rather watch some entertaining
South American play, over tight boring European matches especially in
the early rounds (remember Irelands Cascarino going aginst Stuart Pearce
and Butcher banging heads, BORING!!!!!!).

>
>I know there are some options for South Americans as well, but you must agree 
>that the chances in Europe are greater. Perhaps a reasonable solution to that 
>would be to increase the integration of the Continents in the qualifying round.
>

This is a good idea.

>that matter), or should they? A stronger qualifying phase could even
>justify the return of the WC to 16 teams, giving teams the chance of recovery

No, 16 teams is too little.
>
>-- 

regards,

mario s.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch)
Subject: Re: A bit of moderation is needed
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:39:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.081411.14045@rdg.dec.com> tanner@kbomfg.enet.dec.com (Dave Tanner) writes:
>
>In article <16q0vaINNlt@agate.berkeley.edu>, 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes...
>> 
>>For some reason the general tone of this group seemes to have
>>escalated to highly unwarranted  levels of acidity. We start
>>with the Olympic final and somehow end up discussing what Hit-
>>ler did to the Poles; almost every (no matter how slightly) nega-
>>tive assesment of Maradona's carreer is answered with a barage of
>>insults and invitations to get a life.Even more alarming, issues
>>of the type "my team is better than yours" (see the recent Egypt
>>vs Ghana and the Rest Of The World) dominate what was meant to
>>be a gentlemanly exchange of information and views. What our group
>>mostly looks like at this particular point in time is rec.sport.
>>psychopats, folks.....
>> 
>>Cheers!
>> 
>>-- 
>>Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
>>Department of Economics                                              
>> I agree with you compleatly. Iam off pissed every day when I do a Dir on this
>  group and 70-80% of the folks are still craping about the Spain-Polish final
>  and who the best team really was, and if Maradona is really a footballer or
>  a drug addict... Some of ye kids should grow up, and keep to talking about
>  football, even though some of ye don't know a lot about it, but I still
>  prefer reading such inputs as political ones, in a football group... Lets
>  drop these two subjects, Maradona, and Spain v Poland. Iam sure you'll be
>  doing a lot of folks a favour....
>
>
>
>
>
>                                                regards......
>
>                                                    -dave-


What ????, You mean like you want this group to be a one boring newsgroup
without any arguments, contreversies and opinions. I mean nobody's throwing
punches or shooting, this kind of stuff is healthy for the newsgroup.
If that's the case then maybe you should drop the group.

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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: US Under 20's Romp in Belgium
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:09:41 GMT

The US Under 20;s won all five of their games by an aggragate of 18-1.

US 6 Sprintmont(France) 0
US 2 AS Herstal(Belgium) 0
US 3 RWD Molenbeek (Belgium) 1
US 3 Villeneuve (France) 0
US 4 KRC Genk (Belgium) 0

The core of this team is the same team that came in 5th in the U17 World
Cup last year.

Andy



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