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From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Subject: Kidnapping young girls
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:28:58 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

I asked a Korean friend of mine, " How do dancers and bar hostesses wind up in 
this way of life."   Are they runaways, outcasts of their families?  Well,  I was half
right -- many do runaway from home or leave home and lie to their families that
they are working in Seoul, while in fact, they are dancing for American G.I.'s. 
But what I can't believe is the rest:  there is a kidnapping ring in operation in Korea
where young girls are taken, sometimes as young as 12 years of age.  This happens 
in the small towns and villages where it easy to do.  Then they are taken to 
Chan Ryan Nam ??? in  Seoul  where they are "enslaved" and sold to mamasans and
papasans for work either to the nightclubs near the American bases, or to nightclubs
strictly for Koreans.  If they ever want to leave, as in getting married, their boyfriend 
must pay mamasan to release her from her "contract." Otherwise, if caught after running
away, they can be killed.

Is this true or half-true.  Can anyone verify this?  How then are young girls lured into 
prostitution in Itaewon or around any U.S. military installation?


Mitch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: "Suh Jung Yul" <jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Yeltsin meddling in Korean Election ???
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:33:24 -0500


11/16 S Korean Opposition Leader Says Yeltsin Meddling In Election
 
  SEOUL -(AP-DJ)--Top opposition leader Kim Dae-jung accused Russian President
Boris Yeltsin Tuesday of meddling in South Korea's presidential elections by
giving a favor to a pro-government candidate. 
  'President Yeltsin is committing a very serious mistake,' Kim said at a news
conference, referring to a scheduled breakfast meeting between the Russian
leader and Kim Young-sam, presidential nominee of Korea's majority Democratic
Liberal Party. 
  Yeltsin, due here Wednesday for a three-day official visit, has scheduled a
breakfast meeting with Kim Young-sam, not with opposition candidates, on
Friday. 
  Kim Young-sam, nominee of President Roh Tae-woo's former ruling Democratic
Liberal Party, is locked in close competition with Kim Dae-jung for upcoming
presidential voting, scheduled for Dec. 18. 
  Kim Dae-jung, nominee of the nation's No. 1 opposition Democratic Party,
said Yeltsin's breakfast meeting with his opponent could give the impression
that the Russian leader supports him. 
  'Regardless of his intentions, Mr. Yeltsin's decision to meet candidate Kim
Young-sam is a careless decision, for which I must express my regrets,' Kim
Dae-jung said. 
  The Russian Embassy in Seoul said the breakfast meeting was arranged simply
because Yeltsin would not be able to see Kim Young-sam when he visits Korea's
National Assembly on Thursday. During the visit, Yeltsin will see other major
candidates, who are all National Assembly members. 
  Kim Young-sam quit the National Assembly in September, saying he would
concentrate on presidential campaign. 

J. Suh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: questions of the Korean War
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 21:47:28 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <1992Nov22.200111.24874@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>>	there were the aircraft carriers to carry the bomber, which
>>	was the most wanted target of Kamikaze.
>
>	Oops, you must have made a silly mistake here.  Carriers don't
>carry bombers.  Bombers fly out of nearby air force bases. 

	It's been too many years since I read the book about this;
	; but didn't the aircraft carriers carry B-17 (or 19?) during WWII
	in order to bombard Japan.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Black Box
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:53:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.040752.6865@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> sunbum@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Sunny Kim) writes:
>Hi.
>
>Someone inquired about the content of the blackbox that was returned
>to Korea.  I think it was about a month ago.  I happened to catch a
>Korean radio broadcast while driving down the road, and it played
>a portion of what was recorded in the black-box.  I do not recall
>the exact words said, so I'll summerize.
>
>A voice yelled out, "What's that smoke?".  Then few seconds later,
>the same voice either instructed or told someone to instruct the
>passengers to put on their seat-belts and be prepared for an unexpected
>landing.  Then after a little while a voice of distraught and fear
>was heard saying that it's no use(. It's too late).  Then, silence...
>
>DO correct me if I'm wrong.

	That sounds just about right.  I didn't catch the whole tape, but 
from what I heard, the pilots really had no idea what was going on.  They
didn't even know that the plane had been hit by a missile.
>

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim)
Subject: Re: FOR SALE (was Re: A Brief History of Time)
Reply-To: gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:02:44 GMT

In article <98966@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:

>
>			      FOR SALE!!
>
>		       A Brief History Of Time
>			  by Stephen Hawking
>
>			      Hard Cover
>			with acid-free papers
>
>		       Asking $7 plus shipping

	Seven dollars... Hm... I really have no clue to what you are
going to do with that:)

	Gag-Lae Kurtis Kim
	gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
	THE SEEKER OF TRUTH



Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Dating
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:07:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.031248.14234@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.014050.6119@ttinews.tti.com> sophia@sophia.TTI.COM writes:
>>I am interested in the opinion of Korean male society regarding the
>>dating between Korean woman and non-Korean man.
>>I would like to know your honest view regarding this matter.
>                           ^^^^^^
>
>Highly undesirable.  I do not think highly of Korean males.  I would not
>marry one if I was a woman.  I am no exception to this sweeping
>generalization (I would not marry myself if I was a woman).  Given this
>assumption, I believe Korean woman are the only ones that are capable of
>putting up with Korean male.  Others race or nationals do not stand a
>chance.

	Jees, James, take it easy.  Take a deep breath, look yourself in
the mirror and say, "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough and doggone it
people like me."  :)  

	Well, I do not like to think myself as belonging to James's 
sweeping generalization.  That just about sums up my posting here.  :)
>
>So, when a Korean woman dates a non-Korean man, it is a very severe drain
>in Korean male dating pool.  If she is pretty, it is a down right blow to
>the Korean male society.  If she is pretty and intelligent and agnostic, I
>take it personally and lose sleep for a few days agonizing with the sense
>of loss....

	Ahh...I think I know what happened recently, James... :)
>
>On the other hand, I strongly encourage Korean males to strive for a
>ecologically balanced life.  I specially encourage those who are more
>handsome, better educated and more talented than I to find out more about
>this life by branching out.  I do not care much where they end up.  I just
>want them to stay out this precious little pool.  Thank you very much.

	I've done it, and I found almost no difference.  I've dated a Turk,
a French, an American, and a second generation Korean.  Talk about branching
out!  :)  To me, it doesn't matter whether the woman is Korean or not, I'll
marry whomever I damn well please, so there you go!  :)
>
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon)
Subject: FREE SEX!!
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:34:12 GMT

Now that I have your attention:

This is an old joke around here but I thought it might not be where you guys
are so here it goes:

Why can't Korean people play hockey?

Because every time they go into a corner, they open up a store.

HA HA HA HA HA HA

What do you think?

i)That's a good one.  Tell me more (or I'll tell you a good one.)  OR
ii) That's sick.  You shouldn't be making fun of your own people.
(Maybe  I should have had four choices to make it more comfortable for some
of you to guess.)

Let's hear it guys!

Hank with the awesome slap shot
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon)
Subject: Re: Update on them roses I sent
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:58:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov24.011446.24324@eng.umd.edu>, dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) wr>>...She has my calling card number and she uses it freely...
> 
> 	I wonder if she's gonna give it to her new boy friend if she
> 	gets one; and it's pretty tempting offer.
> -- 

Hey, hey, hey!

I doubt she will ever do that but we'll see.  I can always cancel it or replace
it with Carte Invitation (call-me card) which can only be used to call my 
number. As I said, I don't think she will do that.  After knowing a girl for
15 years or so, you tend to know the person is like in some situations.

Henry "No worries, mate" Chon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Dear Abby,
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:44:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.020303.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon) writes:
>Dear Abby,
>
>I just got my X-girlfriend a dozen longstem red roses for no special
>occasion.  Do you think she may take it as a romantic advance? I just 
>wanted her to cheer up a little and enjoy her Thanksgiving break.  Do
>you think I shouldn't have? 
>
>Broke and Curious

Now that I was called "conservative" I do not see anything wrong calling
myself "Abby."  So here we go.

I think what you did is wonderful provided:

1. You do not have a current girlfriend who may feel jealous about the
   whole deal.
2. You do not mind your ex feeling romantic about you.
3. You can afford the roses.

I never saw any woman who was offended by roses under any circumstances.
In fact, I am cautious to send roses because of its strong romantic
implications and if my action does not follow up to it, then I may be
guilty of raising false hope (or nightmare depending on their view of me).

For the intention you described above, I usually use some other flowers.

James "Abby" Choi
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Yong-mi the ugly Korean (was Re: food)
Keywords: food
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:43:27 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov23.135615.23579@wam.umd.edu> kimy@wam.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) writes:
: ...
: Basically, eat what the locals eat.
: ... 
: Admittedly, Koreans are not the only ones
: who hanker in this way, note all those American tourists hanging
: out at McDonald's no matter where in the world they are, but to
: my youthful eyes it seemed odd that these Koreans were trying to
: make dishes for which the ingredients simply were not available
: locally.  In the process, they also seemed to be ignoring the
: pleasures available in the local cuisine (this could be another
: thread, actually: "The Ugly Korean").

I eat chili and ravioli almost everyday, and I love every bit of them
every time eat.  Even Philadelphia cheese-steak is a real treat when
taking a break from studying during those endless nights, and I will
miss all of them when I happen to leave U.S.A.  You can take away
their ingredients, but you cannot take away my fondness.

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Boodae Chigae (was Re: Kidnapping young girls)
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:09:36 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov23.031627.9972@news.acns.nwu.edu> andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
> ...
> Army Base -> whore houses.... regardless of nationality (Sad... but true).

WRONG!  Haven't you heard the legend of Boodae Chigae!?  What simply
started as a peseant-like chigae among the hungry locals living in the
vicinity of army bases during the post-war era of Korea has managed to
establish its presence in the menus of Korea's most respected and
chic'est cafes today.  Bravo for all the supporters that made such
development possible, and I express sincere gratitude to the unknown
inventor.

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Russia: make up something for her past crime?
From: <CHOI@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:16:39 CST
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

As all of you know, Russia now has the responsiblity of what the former USSR
had done to the Korean Air Line about 9 years ago:took away the lives of inno-
cent passengers.
Did they formally apologize about it?  (Not like:It was unfortunate.....)
If they did, do you think it was enough for the family members of those killed?
Or should we pressure the government to take more aggressive(?) action against
Russia? Or should we accept it as the way it is?
I am not saying that they have the direct responsbility of it, but they has it
as a part of what happened after the collapse of the Soviet Union.




And,
I hope that this doesn't offend Mr. Kim at U. of Chicago, I consider myself a
Korean-American, I was in Hanguk when it took place, so it is my business.:-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim_nl@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Nina L Kim)
Subject: Re: Yong Oak Kim, and Ki Philosophy
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:11:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.205828.7085@news.columbia.edu> gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.155624.24531@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> kim_nl@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Nina L Kim) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov22.233516.9601@news.columbia.edu> gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim) writes:
>>>	Ki chul-hahk (or philosophy of ch'i for following chinese
>>>pronunciation) is pretty well known phrase among Koreans who are
>>>intersted in such, yet many are asking "what is it really?" I am one
>>>of them, and I have very vague idea, or only a remote portion of this
>>>philosophy. I'll shortly and simply state what I think it is.
>>
>>
>> I just have one thing to point out.  When philosopher Kim Yong Oak
>>uses the term, "Ki Chu-hahk", he is not referring to ki-philosophy
>>which is widely used term.  He is referring to his own unique
>
>	When you say "widely used term," do you mean that Ki
>philosophy can be refer to something other than Kim Yong Oak's
>invention? 
>

	   
        Yes, the term 'Ki' is a general one that is widely used in eastern
philosophy (and nowadays in western culture, specially in New Age "philo-
sophy").  That's why Philosopher Kim Yong Oak clarified several
times to avoid the misunderstanding.  You should be aware of such
implication when you pose a question of what is Ki chul-hahk.


Nina Kim

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Il Hyung Cho)
Subject: Re: korean guys...
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean
Organization: LORAL - Western Development Labs
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:31:42 GMT

In article <Mf2kpU600iV4Q9Fl8o@andrew.cmu.edu>, hm15+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Hannah Moon) wrote:
> 
> hey all
> this message is a response to the dating message posted earlier.
> i'm a han gook girl.  ahn young.
> anyway, i really like korean guys - they are great, just like any other
> great guy. although it is tempting to say that guys are basically the
> same no matter what their race... i have to admitt going out with korean
> guys and other guys is a bit different.  in my experience, the korean
> guys i went out with all seemed to have this slight chauvinistic
> attitude that is rooted from the korean culture.  that ticks me off
> personally.  even when they joke,"shouldn't you be doing the dishes?" 
> it pisses the hell out of me.  for over a year now, i've been dating
> non-korean guys, mostly chinese.  and yes, the chinese seem to be
> different from korean guys.  are there any korean males (with
> experience) that can give some intelligent feedback?  

Dah, I don't know if I can give an intellegent feedback.  O.k. back to
reality...

I personally don't have "that" opinion.  I have "dated" both American &
Korean women and they think I'm very polite.  Of course, I was honest
with them.  I was born in Korea but raise in the U.S. and personally
Korean ideology (Confusionism ?) conflicts with Christianity.


Il Hyung Cho
Macintosh Systems Support
LORAL - Western Development Labs
Internet:  cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:54:36 -0500 
From: Allis June Ghim <ag3v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Kidnapping young girls
	<1992Nov23.204443.28382@news.acns.nwu.edu>

Hi my name's Allis and I've been following this 'Kidnapping young
girls'.  I also heard stories of young girls being kidnapped off the
streets in broad daylight. Personally, I think it's disgusting that
people would ever think of such a thing.  These girls are barely in
their teens and probably haven't even finished puberty and the thought
of placing them in that kind of environment makes me cringe.  It also
makes me furious that these 'men' think that they are so superior that
they believe they can treat another human being like that.   I think the
people responsible for this should be ashamed and severely punished
because they're not only degrading themselves to scum status but also
degrading our nation as a whole.  
    What I want to know is, what is the korean govt. doing about this?
Anything?  I think some serious police action needs to take place to
find these people and punish them.  I haven't heard of anything. I mean,
these people are taking away a girls freedom, her youth, innocence,
self-esteem, and pride.  
And these are things that can never be replaced.    I can't even imagine
the lifelong emotional as well as physical traumacies that the girls
will have to live with- and all to satisfy the raging hormones of these
men who aren't even decent enough that they can't even find a wife. 
Anyway, the whole thing is pretty horrible and i hope people are working
on ways to put a stop to this.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: korean guys...
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:44:07 GMT

In article <AYDTBJ11@cc.swarthmore.edu> sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein) writes:
>> 
>I've been refraining from getting into this discussion, since I figured
>that most of you didn't want to hear from a Caucasian male about Korean
>guys, but now I find out from Brian that I'm not Caucasian after all!  Do
>you think I can get minority consideration when I go out on the job market
>now? :-) 

	Hey, if I don't get minority consideration, then you shouldn't 
either.  :)  (This is actually a only a half smiley.)  Correct me if I'm
wrong, but I always thought the Jews weren't Caucasian, just like anyone
else from the Middle East wouldn't be classified as Caucasian.  Oh yeah,
I was speaking in anthropologic terms, of course.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: sunbum@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Sunny Kim)
Subject: Black Box
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:07:52 GMT

Hi.

Someone inquired about the content of the blackbox that was returned
to Korea.  I think it was about a month ago.  I happened to catch a
Korean radio broadcast while driving down the road, and it played
a portion of what was recorded in the black-box.  I do not recall
the exact words said, so I'll summerize.

A voice yelled out, "What's that smoke?".  Then few seconds later,
the same voice either instructed or told someone to instruct the
passengers to put on their seat-belts and be prepared for an unexpected
landing.  Then after a little while a voice of distraught and fear
was heard saying that it's no use(. It's too late).  Then, silence...

DO correct me if I'm wrong.

Sunny.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (James Chong)
Subject: Re: korean guys...
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:24:49 GMT

>hey all
>this message is a response to the dating message posted earlier.
>i'm a han gook girl.  ahn young.
>anyway, i really like korean guys - they are great, just like any other
>great guy. although it is tempting to say that guys are basically the
>same no matter what their race... i have to admitt going out with korean
>guys and other guys is a bit different.  in my experience, the korean
>guys i went out with all seemed to have this slight chauvinistic
>attitude that is rooted from the korean culture.  that ticks me off
>personally.  even when they joke,"shouldn't you be doing the dishes?" 
>it pisses the hell out of me.  for over a year now, i've been dating
>non-korean guys, mostly chinese.  and yes, the chinese seem to be
>different from korean guys.  are there any korean males (with
>experience) that can give some intelligent feedback?  

It is interesting to hear a woman's point of view about Korean guys being slightly chauvinistic because I know a lot of Korean guys who is very chauvinistic and I am one of them. I don't want to explain why but I just am. I guess having been in Korea last year to see that men eat at separate table when there's a get together and woman does all the cooking and cleaning may have lead me to believe that men are treated that way since they were young. May I ask about how you were treated when you were young es

pecially about who does the cooking and cleaning, your Mother or Father ? If both share the responsibility then you are probably lucky because I have seen that most Korean families show thier kids the old fashion way of raising a family where the Mother does the cooking and the Father goes to work. Although I am seeing more and more families where both Mother and Father work and yet the mother still does the cooking.

Anyways, I hope I've been of some help :) 
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