From: carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:58:28 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris

In article <1992Nov9.044003.25837@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:
>
>(Disclaimer - these are fully my own opinios - I mean nobody no harm)
>
>The more I look at people's postings about the problems of the world in our
>Industrial Society, I keep thinking, perhaps we have forgotten the
>techings of Jesus.  We must recognize Jesus as our true savior as always
>to lead us into the divine light of revelation.  Yet what do you people 
>practice: Ugliness, Deviance, Delinquency.  Jesus can show you all your
>true path in life, and then maybe you can all co-operate and be friendly
>with each other in industry.
>
>If we each followed the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have
>them do unto you", 
>
>there would be no problems in society.AA
>
>-Sgreever
>E-mail me at sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu

JESUS = SLAVERY = DEATH  I need no god-addiction.  I need no
god-addiction!  I was saved by science!

If we want to talk "Ugliness, Deviance, & Delinquency," let us consider
all the harm, bigotry, and ignorence that cursed vehicle the cross has
wrought upon civilization.

Firstly, it was the cause of the overthrow of one of the nobelest
cultures in history.  Christianity's preponderance within the slave
masses worked as a viral plague to destroy the greco-roman culture, thus
killing science within the framework of western civiliztaion until the
later 17th centuries.

Christianity through europe into some of the cruelest times ever seen by
man.  With it's need for myth -- soul, spirit, god, sin.  The holy
church lead its war against the feared witch.  The witch could be anyone
in that demented time.  The christian church acted as a diviser between
peoples by creating a group of hypocrites, and a group of fools.

Let's ignore the established church and look at the character of jesus.
He talked about love, yet he himself was incapable of love.  He hated
mankind and gave us 2000 years of terminal-guilt.  He hated knowledge
(his attacks were against the learned classes).  He preached "love thy
neighbor," but in reality it was more likely "fear thy neighbor," "hate
thy body," "hate all that is noble."  Jesus was said to have love for
all mankind, agape.  Which in reality means nothing; because love only
has value if its cherished and shared amongst equals.  Anything else is
just pity.

Well you might say christ died on the cross for us.  When in fact he
died for his own guilt.  I hope you don't die for him.  

The bible is just a plagarised version of summerian myth, persian
after-life stories, and misguided, erroneous history.  There is no value
with in it, except some cool eschatological stories.  

Modern physics has all ready rewrote genesis, and is starting to guess
at what was before the big bang.  God is superflous to the equation.  He
represents an outdated hypothesis and should be discarded.

"Do what thou wilt!"  I say this a little tounge in cheek.  We don't
need a new leader we must find a "will to live," within ourselves.  We
must find our own savior.  The beginning of wisdom is this "I am god,"
just ask anyone who programs--their is a new creation everyday in every
computer in the world.

Peace,

+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+Joel Carlson				|  History, read it and weep!
carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu            	| 
University of Minnesota, Morris         |  Kurt Vonnegut
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