From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: The EVIL Conspiracy behind this "Men's Choice" thing...
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:03:18 GMT

smile1@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (gray,david l) writes:

>>So, do you do anything about homelessness in our country?  Do you volunteer
>>time at Thanksgiving or Christmas or just any cold night to pass out free
>>food or clothing or blankets?  Do you give away vegetables from your own
>>garden so that others may eat?  Do you open your home to families with children
>>so that they can sleep someplace warm for a night?  Some of us have done and
>>are doing the above things.  It may not solve *ALL* the problems, but any
>>little thing I can do to even help one human is better, in my opinion, than
>>nothing at all.  I may not be able to help everyone, but I'll continue to do
>>what I can and hope it makes a difference and hope others try to do at least
>>one thing too.  All it takes is a little help from as many people as possible,
>>instead of merely ranting about it on the net.
>>
>>allen

>To Allen

>Yes.  I always have and always will.  I have and continue to work in my 
>church, I have worked with sexually and physically abused children for 
>years and now I work in the prisons.  

I applaud you on this.

>My strong feelings about values did not start after my
>divorce.  I have been working with people for more than 20 years.  I have
>a lot of internal piece for my place in life.  However, I will admit 
>that I find people who think they should get paid for having/raising a 
>child really disturbing.

I too find it disturbing that there are people who think they should get
paid for having/raising a child (I'm assuming you mean those CP's who
try to get every penny they can from the NCP for child support).  I *think*
the real issue is/are people who, with a vengeful heart, use children to
strike out against a spouse, thereby damaging everyone and benefitting
no one.

>After many years of putting my heart out to the people the get pushed to
>the bottom over money, greed, hate, revenge and selfish desires, it makes
>me very concerned to find people still trying to put price tags on everything.

I'd only add that some people don't put price tags on everything:  they view
some things as priceless or having no upper limit.

>I not only pay my child support but my money goes for a lot of other things
>than a bigger and better bike for my kids.  They are my primary responsibility
>but not my only responsibility.  With the value system that I hear on this
>network, money for children seems to be the only important issue.  Non of the
>abused children that I have worked with and very few of the prisoners I work
>with need thousands of dollars.  They need parents and people with values.
>The numbers as they relate to child support will not ever come out right
>until basic values for all people are put at the top of the list.

. . . or until the court system can use common sense and actually mete out
decisions based on true numbers, rather than NCP X makes so much money and
therefore, after plugging the numbers into a computer, this is how much NCP
X must pay to CP X.

>Based on the children and adults that I work with a lot of parents are
>far over paid for what they have done. (just a play on words)  If someone
>really loves people, as I do, the work is a gift of love.  I have never
>and will never expect to get paid for raising my own children, helping
>abuse children, working with prisoners or taking people into my home as
>I have done and continue to do.  If people really loved their children as
>they say they do, trying to make sure they have the most money would not
>come up.  I have never been rich, but children will always be supported 
>and fine as long as both my ex-wife and I support them.  Over the years
>my ex-wife and I have learned to provide all of our childrens needs without
>one trip to court.  We have both agreed in the end that nothing the court
>system did to us was worth the distruction that they caused. 

I'm glad to hear that you and your wife didn't have a slugfest in the courts,
which would seem to be the exception rather than the norm.

allen

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