From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: All These Generate From A Blind Belief, 'Madjd-Sadjadi.'
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:36:00 GMT


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madjdsad@aludra.usc.edu (Zagros Madjd-Sadjadi)

>The Turks in their last census claim that there are no Kurds in Turkey.
>Hmmm, so what was this about Turkish sources -- there ARE NO TURKISH
>SOURCES!!  

Hilarity. The Turks in their last census also claim that there are 
no 'Laz, Circassian,...' in Turkiye. Because the designation of a 
Turk is not a genetic feature, not a racial or religious feature.
This is an inclusive and broad-minded approach to define a Turk. You 
also have a lot to learn from America.

>My sources are as follows: New York Times, London Times,
>The Manchester Guardian, Los Angeles Times, The New Yorker, Time Magazine,
>Newsweek, CNN, NBC News, CBS News, CBC, Maclean's, The Toronto Star, The
>Montreal Gazette, The Financial Post, The Financial Times, Le Monde,
>and The Jerusalem Post.  Oh, but of course these are all propogandist.

Oman. May I ask what this spectacular method was in determining the 
number of Kurds living in Turkiye? Satellite photo? PKK passport? 
An 'Aryan' sign? Please spell it out for us. 

>Yes, I did know that the Turks are the second largest population in
>Iraq and your figures for the number of Turks and Kurds are suspeciously
>exact.  Sorry but there exists no exact numbers for the number of Kurds

'Azadi Turkistan?'

>>Let me further improve this one for you, then. Had the Sevres Treaty
>>been implemented, the fate of the Kurds would have been far worse 
>>than under the Turkish Republic. Having concluded that the Kurds
>>could not govern themselves within the interest of the West, the
>>British advised long ago that a Kurdish mandate would be necessary
>>and that 'the Kurds would be ruled by force.' (Foreign Office 424/106).
>>Given that the Kurdish insurgency in Turkiye has taken tens of
>>thousands of innocent Turkish lives over the century, one can
>>legitimately question whether under Western colonial methods
>>the Kurds might have been subjected to some form of apartheid.
>>In contrast, under Turkish rule, the Kurds enjoyed economic 
>>equality and equal status as Turkish citizens united under one
>>nation for the well-being of the Turkish Republic.

>Don't forget that the Turkish supression of Kurdish rights for nearly
>seventy years (cultural freedom was only granted in 1991 and Kurdish is
>TO THIS DAY not being taught in the schools) CAUSED the insurgency.  I
>hardly call that equal status....  

Here we go again. Take for instance the great architect Sinan who
is said to have been born from a Christian parent. Yet, the Turkish
culture, influence and values were so deeply imbedded in Sinan that
he was more Turk than most people who were born from a Turkish parent.
This exclusive and rejecting attitude is harmful for a country on
the way of democracy, because the first premise of the democracy
is diversity. For instance, this country is a colorful mosaic
of culture, custom, heritage...yet it is a nation in the true
sense. Notwithstanding these fundamental differences, each 
individual calls himself or herself an American. Sank in?

>By the way, the Christian Science Monitor
>on their TV program by the same name did a special on the Kurds in 1988.
>In it, they stated that the Kurds were more likely to be pro-Western than
>Syria, Iran, or Iraq and that such a state would likely treat minorities
>better than Turkey (of course, that was in 1988 -- Turkey, as I have always
>acknowledged has made great strides, just not quite far enough).

All these generate from a blind belief that there is but one 
interpretation of an 'Aryan Kurd,' and it is the rigid and
fanatic version. Get a life - will you? Those who subscribe
to this notion seem to forget that everything outside the positive
sciences are open to interpretations, because the subject matter 
is inherently illusive and intangible. Besides, the record of
Turkiye speaks for itself.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)