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From: todd@ceres.elcom.nitech.ac.jp (Todd Law)
Subject: Re: Crime in Canada vs U.S. Why the difference?
Reply-To: todd@juno.elcom.nitech.ac.jp
Organization: Nagoya Institute of Technology, Nagoya ,Japan.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:19:58 GMT


To start with,

(1)
How about two-hundred-plus years of uncompensated slavery in the 
US which has put many black Americans into a hole so deep that
many never get out of it, financially or psychologically.
I say racial friction, through no fault of the minorities themselves,
but through the majority that forced, then ignored a completely
inequitable situation for centuries, is a major cause of crime in
the US.  Canada has racial tensions too, but several orders of
magnitude smaller.

(2)
The weather.  When it's 40 below, if you don't have a regular place
to live, and enough to eat (and therefore a job), you die.  The cold
gets rid of most of the rift-raft (they go pick fruit in the Okanoggan)
and keeps people from aimlessly wandering the streets much of the year.
In winter, the most dangerous place is probably the much-touted rubber-
wheeled heated subway system in Montreal, anywhere between Lionel-Groux
and Cotes-de-Neiges.  Outside, no problem.  If it's safe in the winter,
it usually stays that way for the rest of the year (in most places).

(3)
Wealth.  Canada has a vast amount of natural resources and easily tapped
wealth compared to its population.  In a wealthy society, there is usually
a non-violent means to get what you want, so why bother.  Even our poor
live in what would be considered luxurious conditions in most of the 
world.  Wealthy people can afford expensive morals as well (do you think
Somalians give a hoot whether tuna is dolphin-friendly?)

(4)
Smaller cities and towns.  Big cities are the most violent places on
earth, possibly because of anonymity.  Small-town USA is about as safe as
anywhere in Canada, but places like Detroit, Chicago, or Washington D.C.
have no parallel in Canada.  Smaller places tend to carry more of a
rural ethic, since many of the citizens are new-arrivals from the 
country-side, or a mere generation away.   Canadians were/are hewers of
wood and drawers of water, and it shows in everyday life.

(5)
Tighter gun laws meanining fewer guns to commit violent crimes with.


Todd Law
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Rae's "corruption"? (was Re: NDP "communism?")
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:22:47 GMT

In article <LABACH.93Jan22085826@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes:
>
>- terry -
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>New Democrat "corruption"               Tory "corruption"
>Peter Kormos poses suggestively         Cabinet minister Colin Thatcher
>for a tabloid                           shoots, stabs, and bludgeons his
>                                        ex-wife to death

NDP corruption in Ontario includes character assassination in two
instances: 

one of a doctor, by a cabinet minister who is either a liar
or a slanderer, 

and one of a woman, who had made allegations against
a cabinet minister by one of Bob Rae's closest political aides,
who released confidential information about the woman to the press.

Gerald
From: mscs262@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Reply Requested
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:11:19 GMT
Organization: Mankato State University


     This posting is an assignment for a university level Computer Science
class.  We are to receive responses to our posting from countries other than
the U.S.  Please take a minute to write a short response to this posting.
Thanks!!!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:10198 sci.physics:23205 sci.research:1453 sci.research.careers:1782
From: craigen@ace.acadiau.ca (DOUGLAS CRAIGEN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,sci.physics,sci.research,sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: HELP WANTED: Info on Canadian Physics
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:11:40 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

In article <C162Jq.J0M@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> sschaff@roc.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Stephen F. Schaffner) writes:
>From: sschaff@roc.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Stephen F. Schaffner)
>Subject: Re: HELP WANTED: Info on Canadian Physics
>Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 19:09:25 GMT

>        Amidst all of this heartwarming display of Canadian patriotism, has 
>anyone bothered to answer the original poster's question?  Does anyone even 
>remember what it was?
   
   Yes, I sent an e-mail to the original poster and I would trust that 
others did the same.  As for expressing Canadian patriotism, there isn't 
much that can be done to argue with someone who bomards USENET groups with 
messages like "all Canadians are ass-holes" or his expressed sympathy for 
a professor who killed some others over a dispute.  My suggestion to other 
Canadian patriots out there, don't bother.  It only feeds him fuel to write 
more.

===================================================================
  Doug Craigen, Department of Physics, Acadia University,
  Wolfville, N.S., B0P 1X0, (902) 542 - 2201 x150

  Da seaweed is always greena
  In somebody else's lake
      -Sebastian (the crab in "The Little Mermaid")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Subject: Re: Rae's "corruption"? (was Re: NDP "communism?")
Summary: Anarchist Anti-Defamation League strikes back
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:47:56 GMT
	<1993Jan22.172701.7579@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>
	<1993Jan23.152938.6028@athena.mit.edu>
Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club

In article <1993Jan23.152938.6028@athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu
(Charles M Kozierok) writes: 
> In article <1993Jan22.172701.7579@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>
> bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian Ross) writes: 
> >labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes:
> >: (sigh.)  Once more, it is not that we believe that the NDP is incapable
> >: of corruption.  It is that we do not believe you have 1) demonstrated
> >: that corruption (use of public office for private gain) has occurred. 2)
> >: demonstrated that this corruption is on par with that practised by the
> >: older parties.
> >
> >(sigh). Ah yes, the party faithful respond to the call to arms.
> >Read Gerald's summary posted a few days ago. When I get time, I'll
> >search for the Star article. 

(sigh) Ah yes, I'm such a member of the party faithful that I referred
to Rae's government as "incompetents".  You'll have to work on your
reading comprehension if you think that what I've written is
unquestioned support for the NDP.

In any case, I did not receive Gerald's article at this site, nor did I
receive Brian's reply to my article - I only saw it quoted in the above
article by Charles.  However, considering that ANOTHER Tory MP was
convicted of fraud this week, I ask once more for descriptions of
example of NDP corruption, which seem spurious and imaginary, as opposed
to descriptions of Ontario NDP incompetence, which have been reported in
the media.

For the record, Brian, I 'support' the NDP because it's marginally less
right-wing than the other parties that have a chance of being elected,
and I don't see the point of selling the 'Daily Worker' on street
corners and hoping that that will bring about change.  I know that this
logic will not make sense to those in the can.* groups who bitch about
the political system but don't act, through parties or revolution, to
change what they don't like.

- terry -
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 make all civilization end in a society of rich and poor, of slaves and
 slave-owners."
 - William Morris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,rec.music.misc
From: brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner ken u)
Subject: The Rankin Family--Fare Thee Well, Love
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: can
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:06:45 GMT

I just purchased this album and find it beautiful beyond words. I am
really curious as to some of the lyrics in the title song, "Fare Thee
Well, Love". Does anyone know these lyrics, and can they e-mail them if
they do?

Thank you...


-- 
Ken Breadner	(brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca)	Wilfrid Laurier University
lunatic		(the BREADbox...) 	Waterloo, Ontario, Canada 
"If you have built your castles in the air, do not despair. That is where
they belong. Now put the foundations under them." --Thoreau
From: gt7627b@prism.gatech.EDU (gt7627b THORNE,STEPHEN PHILIP)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Food choices
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:14:16 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I am an American who lived for four years in Toronto (I graduated
from _SECONDARY_ school in Canada).  I even went so far as to work
in a Canadian grocery store.  And from my perspective, there is 
no better spectrum of quality and choice than in US supermarkets.

P.S. I _like_ Cheez-Whiz!!!

Steve
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THORNE,STEPHEN PHILIP
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
Internet: gt7627b@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: mcbjjbj@nuscc.nus.sg (Jose Julian Blanc Juarez (Mr))
Subject: Re: Reply Requested
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:46:55 GMT

mscs262@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
:      This posting is an assignment for a university level Computer Science
: class.  We are to receive responses to our posting from countries other than
: the U.S.  Please take a minute to write a short response to this posting.
: Thanks!!!

 Your assignments are that basic, huh?
 Oh Lord, what are they teaching these kids nowadays?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: Are there ghettos in Canada?
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf, Sietec Open Systems, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:32:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.033253.23472@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>So I'm a pessimist about the short term future...I think our cities are
>in decline, and I don't see anyone out there with solutions in the near
>term.  One can maintain the delusion that somehow we Canadians are
>smarter than Americans...I maintain our policies are just failing
>at a slower rate...the end result is the same...unlivable cities.

I don't think Canadians are smarter than Americans, but I think there are
some differences between the two cultures.  First off, there's the weather:
it gets too cold in the winter here for mass civil unrest.  (Correct me if
I'm wrong, but I believe rioting is a hot-weather activity.)  I also believe
that the existence of fewer guns makes a difference.

A question to which I do not have the answer:  are European cities
declining in the same way that American ones are?  I think Toronto's
future may more closely parallel that of London than that of New York.

>>(And, to satisfy my curiosity:  since you believe that our society is in
>>a state of decay, when do you think the rot started to set in?  1968?
>>1946?  1867?)
>>
>
>I think our current woes arose from the unearned postwar prosperity
>of North America, which has screwed up the value systems of several
>generations.

By this, I assume you mean that people today expect too much in the
way of material possessions, choice of lifestyle, and so on.  I won't
argue the point with you, other than to wonder whether you would like to
live in the pre-war world.  I don't think I would (unless I happened to
be related to a wealthy person).  I'm one of those post-war softies who
is used to his own apartment and modest supply of disposable income.  :-)

I don't think anyone can possibly determine exactly what constitutes
"earned" prosperity, since a worker's daily efforts have no intrinsic
value.  A happy medium between the ideal "healthy business climate"
and the "worker's paradise" is called for, but I haven't the slightest
idea where that medium should be, or what it should consist of.
(Suggestions welcomed!)

--Dave "not able to solve the world's problems before lunch :-)" Till
"I worshipped dead men for their strength,/Forgetting I was strong."
  -- Vita Sackville-West
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: bennettc@mace.cc.purdue.edu (bennettc)
Subject: Re: interracial relationships in canada
Keywords: interracial relationships in canada
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:53:29 GMT

In article <C16vK3.J8o@news.cso.uiuc.edu> apdolan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (dolan andrew) writes:
>
>Does anyone know of any good sources of written information
>about interracial marriage and dating in canada. I am primarily
>interested in white/black relationships, black women/white men,
	(stuff deleted)
>two principal sources that I have come across:[books]
>
>"Black and White Mixed Marriages" Ernest Porterfield
>
>"Marriage Across the Color Line" Larsson
>
>You can contact me at  apdolan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>
	Another good one is "Sexual Life between Blacks and Whites; the
			     Roots of Racism"   Beth Ann Romulo   


Cynthia
From: arf@otter.hpl.hp.com (Andrew Farmer)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:35:09 GMT
Subject: Calling British/Canadian couples
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada



  I'm British and will be marrying a Canadian this summer. I'm interested to
 hear from any British or Canadian amongst you who have experience of the
 legal/immigration etc. stuff involved.

        Thanks for your help,

                Andy Farmer, Bristol, UK.
                (arf@hplb.hpl.hp.com)
From: lmcjamo@egg.ericsson.se (Jacques Morris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Crime in Canada vs U.S. Why the difference?
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:44:47 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <TODD.93Jan22051952@ceres.elcom.nitech.ac.jp> todd@juno.elcom.nitech.ac.jp writes:
>
>To start with,
>
>(2)
>The weather.  When it's 40 below, if you don't have a regular place
>to live, and enough to eat (and therefore a job), you die.  The cold
>gets rid of most of the rift-raft (they go pick fruit in the Okanoggan)
>and keeps people from aimlessly wandering the streets much of the year.
>In winter, the most dangerous place is probably the much-touted rubber-
>wheeled heated subway system in Montreal, anywhere between Lionel-Groux
>and Cotes-de-Neiges.

Wrong. The metro is nowhere close to being the most dangerous place in MTL.
The vote usually goes to the McGill ghetto. (mostly university students, about
10 blocks from nearest metro). 

>it usually stays that way for the rest of the year (in most places).
>
>(3)
>Wealth.  Canada has a vast amount of natural resources and easily tapped
>wealth compared to its population.  In a wealthy society, there is usually
>a non-violent means to get what you want, so why bother.  Even our poor
>live in what would be considered luxurious conditions in most of the 
>world.  Wealthy people can afford expensive morals as well (do you think
>Somalians give a hoot whether tuna is dolphin-friendly?)

And the U.S. have no wealth?
I would explain the difference here as a more socialist approach to the
distribution of this wealth in Canada.

>
>(4)
>Smaller cities and towns.  Big cities are the most violent places on
>earth, possibly because of anonymity.  Small-town USA is about as safe as
>anywhere in Canada, but places like Detroit, Chicago, or Washington D.C.
>have no parallel in Canada.  Smaller places tend to carry more of a
>rural ethic, since many of the citizens are new-arrivals from the 
>country-side, or a mere generation away.   Canadians were/are hewers of
>wood and drawers of water, and it shows in everyday life.

#1 crime capital in the states: Washington, a town of less than 1 million
 people. Size is not the problem in this city; It might be the segregation
 of the poor (I don't claim to know).



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Subject: Re: canadian subway
Organization: Not Philips.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:55:59 GMT

In refd article, ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
>The grades ARE considerably steeper on the Montreal Metro than on any
>steel-on-steel system of which I am aware.

But what ones are you aware of.  The grades in London don't seem
particularly less steep than Montreal.

>This WAS a consideration
>in the decision to use rubber wheels, as I said.  Think about 
>Ile-Ste-Helene station.  On either side it has to dive very deeply
>to get under the river, but the station itself is quite shallow.

In fact I'd say Atwater to Lionel Groulx is probably a steeper grade than
to Ile-Ste-Helene, and steep grades aren't _necessary_ to the design.

I think it's time to have some numbers.  As posted elsewhere, grades are
not particularly limiting to mult-driven-wheel steel-on-steel systems.
-- 
Ray Dunn at home        |  Beaconsfield, Quebec  |  Phone: (514) 630 3749
ray@philmtl.philips.ca  |  ray@cam.org           |  uunet!sobeco!philmtl!ray
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Rae's "corruption"? (was Re: NDP "communism?")
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:57:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.232318.1617@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> ddjohnson@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>It has recently been written:
>> no, actually the real explanation is that the New Demolition Party
>> has spent 2 or 3 decades making unreasonable promises and bitching
>> and whining about everything specifically *because* they didn't think
>> they would get elected. it is easy to promise utopia (which is practically
>> and NDP platform plank) when you don't have to back it up. Rae was
>> only caught "off-guard" because his victory would mean he'd be
>> held accountable for the positions he held. which is why he has
>> alienated just about everyone.
>
>Just what do people want? When governments do not follow through 
>on campaign pledges they are (rightfully) flamed. But when they 
>do they are trashed.

i wrote that piece; and my point is that someone who expects
he will not win an election (like someone else claimed Rae felt
before his victory) can devote himself to unrealistic promises
which cannot be fulfilled upon election. my point was not for
Rae to do the impossible, but rather to criticize him for making
unrealistic promises. and i know many NDPers who re unhappy with him
for not following through on some of what he promised -- and they
should blame themselves for actually thinking he could do everything
he wanted to in a real government, compared with spouting objections
and promises from the opposition bench.

remember that that post was in response to a post which said, among
other things "we can't blame the NDP for the poor quality of
their people in some ridings because, after all, they didn't
think they would win those seats".

>To flame Bob Rae for being honest is nothing 
>more than anarcharastic!

i don't get the last word. even if you mean "anarchist" i don't
see how it follows.

--
charles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Are there ghettos in Canada?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:44:37 GMT

In article <1k1a4s$7qj@agate.berkeley.edu> delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme) writes:
>I have an impression that may not be true, which is why I am asking this,
>please correct my impression if this is not true. 
>I have been to several of the larger Canadian cities, and lived in Toronto
>briefly. (although some visits were many years ago) 
>
>I never remember seeing what would really be called a ghetto. Does
>Canada have them? I remember a few run-down areas, but certainly nothing that
>would compare to New York's Bedford-Stuyvesant (sp?), Los Angeles' Compton,
>Chicago's Cabrini-Green or even East Oakland or Hunter's Point (San Francisco)
>

Fear not...our politicians are busy creating them...in a decade or so,
our ghettoes will be as "good" as yours are.  Social decay in Canada
with respect to the US is not as far advanced, but we are doing our
best to catch up.  

>So, what constiutes a ghetto in Canada. What US areas that I know might they
>be comparable to? Where are they located? Is this a relatively new thing,
>or have I just missed it all along.
>

There is nothing really comparable to the worst ghettoes in the United
States yet...but we are on the slippery slope.

Gerald
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca (stephen cooper 9209 U)
Subject: Re: canadian subway
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:54:35 GMT

In article <5684@daily-planet.concordia.ca> grinshp@cs.concordia.ca (GRINSHPAN roy) writes:
>On the subject of day passes that someone mentionned... Montreal has
>introduced the Carte de Congres. Which is in effect a day pass
>but I believe it is unavailable to residents of the Island of Montreal...

How would a tourist prove he/she is a non-resident of Montreal?  Would they
have to show ID?  How much is it?  Are there any restrictions on its use?
Where can they be purchased?  I'm going to Montreal next month and this
would be cool.
-- 
Steve Cooper      |  Internet:  scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca
Waterloo, Ontario |  If you actually think I speak for Wilfrid Laurier
Canada!!          |  University, well... I don't even want to think about it.
From: ddjohnson@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Rae's "corruption"? (was Re: NDP "communism?")
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:13:26 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1993Jan22.172701.7579@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian Ross) writes:

(Sarcasm)
> An NDPer makes a mistake, and it's simply the result of the human
> frailty of an innocent,  ordinary human being.
> 
> Whether it's NDP, PC, Grit, or what have you:
> 
> 	"Same trough. Different Pigs."

When in Opposition, Bob Rae developed quite a few 'squeaky 
clean'-type policies which, when faced with the reality of 
government, resulted in him sticking to his guns. This lead to a 
number of "scandels" and cabinet resignations which, when 
compared to Liberal and Conservative (and SoCred) governments of 
our times, were quite petty.

Bob Rae should be praised for living up to the high standards he 
set... to compare the Ontario NDP transgressions to those of 
Mulroney, Peterson, Vander Zalm, et al., are like comparing 
blemished yet still palatable apples to a crate of oranges 
flattened by a (deregulated) transport truck.

DDJ
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