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From: ortega@cactus.org (Paul Ortega)
Subject: Re: But? What about Rec.arts.manga?
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:27:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.020745.13800@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.160057.1737@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>>Uhh...what makes this newsgroup different from Rec.arts.manga?
>>
>>Or did I just step on a political mine?:)
>
>alt.manga is the leftovers after rec.arts.manga was created.  Now, it's
>Dave Mou's private newsgroup to post wierd things. ^_-

Too bad the hard drive at this site crashed, resulting in no alt.manga
when Dave Mou was posting the wierd stuff......  ;)

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Newsgroups: alt.manga
From: bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield)
Newsgroups: alt.manga
Subject: Patrick Yip
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:51:30 GMT
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238

My reply to your email bounced back. I'm not ignoring you!  ;)  Please 
send me a one-line post so I can try again to send you back an email.
:::::Larry:::::

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Newsgroups: alt.manga
From: jwp@panix.com (Justin Bahk)
Subject: Re: Video Girl Ai Manga Translations Request
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:06:32 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

scotth@hoshi.corp.sgi.com (Scott Henry) writes:
>As I expect that others (like me) are interested also, if anyone knows
>of translations for Video Girl Ai, how about posting them or naming an
>FTP site?

I think 
Dan Su translated the very first chapter in volume 1.  I am not sure
if it's on bigbang.berkeley.edu.  Do check that place out.  If it isn'
there tell me.  I will post it.  Meanwhile here is an instant translation
of first few pages of chapter 2 .... TRY to enjoy this crappy traslation.
------
p51
Yota: Is this magic?
SFX: [sound of touching Ai's nose with his finger] thn
Yota: She is there.  She REAL!
Yota: Tashi ka ni ai-chan da monna sugezo ko no video!
     ( I cannot translate this line :-(   )
Yota: This cannot be modern science!!!
Yota: (This line is really lame.  No wonder he is not so popluar.)
      This must be gift from the goddess of Love. ( or something like that.)
-----
p52
on the bottom of the page, Yota imagines... and thinks "Oh, this is heaven!"
Damn I give up!!!!  I only got one year of Japanese!  This is too much for me!
-----
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NG!                                                    l98cc@cunyvm.cuny.edu
From: ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu (david mou)
Newsgroups: alt.manga
Subject: manga lists in ocf
Date: 8 Nov 1992 02:06:36 GMT
Organization: a.b., s3x3, m.j., c.n.
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

ocf's /pub/AnimeB/ML is now updated with the Comic Lists for Oct. and Nov.
the site is undergoing some cosmetic changes as well (under new management,
heh heh) so don't be surprised if @nime related items gets mv or rm-ed with
no apparent reasons. :-P




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From: chunger@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chung-Mau Cheng)
Newsgroups: alt.manga
Subject: Video Girl Ai Manga Translations Request
Keywords: Translations
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:24:42 GMT
Reply-To: chunger@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chung-Mau Cheng)

Well, I've been trying to get ahold of the Video Girl Ai Manga
translations or synopsis for a while now, but I have yet to succeed. Can
anyone tell me where I can get them? Please E-mail all responses and
please DO NOT SEND THE TEXTS THEMSELVES (I imagine they can take up
quite a bit of space). Thanks very much!

Later,
The Chunger :)

E-mail address at chunger@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu


Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:53:01 GMT

payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:

>I know eating disorders are dangerous, but you are usually healthier being
>slim than if you are overweight. And obesity is a bigger problem than
>bulemia and anorexia combined (to the best of my knowledge, I will look
>this up when I get home).

Do you mean a bigger problem for the person who has one of these problems, or
that obesity is more widespread? If the latter, I encourage you to realize that
the stats on that are wildly variable, depending on where you define "obesity"
and how you define "eating disorder". Don't forget that much of what this 
society views as normal behavior is actually very unhealthy; many people are
quite healthy at higher weights than are often considered "normal", and the
way women (and, to a lesser extent, men) view food and eating habits is just
bizarre. Basically, we expect women to be following unhealthy eating habits,
reward her if she does and revile her if she doesn't. 


>And this claim is not true.

Okay, stats man, show me the stats to prove it.

Marty

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Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: sweenep@quig15.alleg.edu (Patrick Sweeney)
Subject: gif posting help
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:02:22 GMT

I need help posting a animated sound gif.  I tried to do it but it siad it was too big and i was a hog for taking up so  
much space.  Any suggestions are much appreciated.  Also if anyone has cindy or elle gifs please send.  
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: eleniak.gif (part 1/1)
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:54:53 GMT

How the hell do you view jpg's???


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Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
From: riaedwards@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (AUDREY EDWARDS)
Subject: Re: re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University 
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:06:27 GMT

In article <lfnrufINNs27@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums) writes:
>From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
>Subject: re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
>Date: 7 Nov 1992 16:33:19 GMT

>>From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
>>Do you notice that the women (that
>>I've met, anyway) who DO come to ask you for a date DON'T have any problems
>>with Elle calendars?  :-)
>---
>        Yes.  I have noticed this.  Generally women who are very self-confident
>don't care about such pictures, while those with insecurities usually
>do in proportion to their insecurity level.

Oh, I see....those women who positively endorse or offer no comment on such 
calandars are generally "very self confident" whilst those who genuinely, 
but in my opinion, wrongly find those calandars harmful are "insecure" (with 
one of the characteristics of such confidence that they "ask you for a 
date"!) How gracious of you!

There are many women, of mature age, whom few would regard as rad. feminist, 
particularly ones with strong religious beliefs (in the UK, Mary Whitehouse 
springs to mind...no doubt the US has an equivilent) who share such 
attitudes towards the evils of "girlie mags". Whilst I don't share there 
views (my distaste is on aesthetic, rather than moral or censorship 
grounds), and certainly see no direct link between such material and 
rape, I wouldn't dream of dismissing such people as "insecure". Just I 
defend your right to display as much bad taste as you wish, I defend their 
right to consider it dangerous (though I suppose, if push came to shove, 
I'd help you prevent them banning such things!)

One things for certain, whilst I'm as confident as I want to be, I 
certainly would not date a man with an Elle MacPherson calandar on his 
wall! Now, a Paul Klee calandar is different (and for the culturally 
unenlightened, he is not a member of the Chippendales!!!!)   


>-wat-
>--


Audrey.
From: l114812@cs.tut.fi (Lahtinen Jarmo)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: HELP!
Date: 9 Nov 1992 15:59:15 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.tut.fi
Originator: l114812@cs.tut.fi


	Hi! I need some help for using the pictures send by you readers. 
What should I do to an article containing a picture? Which lines should I 
remove? Any viewing program doesn't recognize pictures I have edited. I
have copied an article to my unix-directory and from there to DOS-
directory. Sometimes I have edited an article in unix system with same
results. Could someone tell me, what I have done wrong. 


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From: lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch)
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:46:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.172739.14097@dragon.acadiau.ca> 891666t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trish Turliuk) writes:
>lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov6.030057.28538@dragon.acadiau.ca> 891666t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trish Turliuk) writes:
>
>> [a long diatribe on how awfully unrepresentative movies, tv, ads, etc are.]
>
>Geez, it wasn't that long and I didn't think it was that bitter. *shrug*
>
>>{sarcasm on}
>>And, of course, it's so easy for all men to look like Tom Sellek (sp?).
>>{sarcasm off}
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ nice touch- good for this written communication 
>>Not that you don't have a valid point, but I want to point out that it's not
>>clear that this is a *sexist* issue.  Lord knows I've been passed over for some
>
>>"hunk" enough times.  :-( 
>
>
>
>I *do* consider this a sexist issue and if the flip side of this coin bothers
>you, welcome yourself into reverse-sexism.

Guess I was too abrupt.
Since the problem (if there is one) exists for both men and women; it is not
strictly a sexist issue, it's more of a humanist issue was what I should have
said.  Then, again, I think of reverse-sexism as a nonsense word.  sexism is
sexism regardless of who's getting hurt.  And, if it's going both ways, it's
not sexism at all...or at least it's a very wierd form of sexism.


PS:  The thought that you put at the bottom is nice, but the PC crowd will soon
point out that even if you don't think *all* women are saints and *all* men
evil, how come you expressed it that way?  Are you trying to imply that women
are better than men, but there are some exceptions?
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Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger (Davebo))
Subject: Re: Elle McPherson causes rape?  (not!)
Organization: large
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:27:27 GMT

egilmour@ac.dal.ca wrote:
: In "Re: Elle McPherson causes Rape" the writer expressed some anti-feminist 
: views that I take issue with.

anti-not-necessarily-quite-mainstream-femisinist

				  I don't know if I'm the only woman who takes
: part in this newsgroup but I think it is wrong to complain about feminist issues
: in this group.  If you want to start comiserating about your 
: hatred towards feminists perhaps you should start your own group. 
: 
I don't think it is at all out of place in a group about supermodels to
discuss their social effects.

: Although I think it is wrong to say that a sexy calendar causes rape, perhaps it
: may be true that this material objectifies women to the point that men see 
: women as existing only for the purpose of being possessed by men.  You do 
: possess Elle with your eyes when you look at her right?

Possess?  Not in the sense of any meaning I've ever heard of.  I _admire_
her.  I do not claim her.


--
-Davebo

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Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker)
Subject: Re: Article about models!
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:26:53 GMT

Ghods... sounds like they're training race horses... not girls.

- Hacker
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"I am the very instantiation of object oriented evil!"
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: My right and wrong answers (Was: Re: Calendars and Brains)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:25:00 GMT

In article <1dn84rINNbg1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cf542@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 
(Julio Richard  writes...
> 

Well as a Northwestern graduate and MIT grad student, I shall try my hands at 
this test which is even more biased than the SAT. d::-)

>Now, as to the questions asked of the models by Mademoiselle
>magazine, here they are:
> 
>1) What are the names of the two airports in Paris?

They are Orly and de Gaulle.

>2) What is the name of the square in front of the big church
>in the center of Milan?

I have no idea.

>3) What is the French word for shoe?

C'est une chaussere. (It is une chaussere.)

>4) Which architect designed the new glass pyramids in front
>of the Louvre in Paris?

I don't know.

>5) How many calories are in a banana?

I would assume about 20-30 calories.

>6) Who is the designer behind the COMME des GARCONS label?
>The Perry Ellis label?  The Chanel label?

I don't have the money for it to matter.

>7) Math question: If you earn $5,000 in one day and only pay
>your agency 10 percent, how much money will you receive
>before taxes?

It would be $4,500 for the model, $500 for the agent.

>8) What color is ecru? (Claudia Schiffer answered with,
>"Broken white? I'm just guessing, wondering if it's the same
>in English as it is in French, which is derived from a word
>in Latin.")

It is a light tan like beige.

>9) Who is Anna Wintour?

I have no idea.

>10) Which poet said, "Beauty is Truth, Truth Beauty"?

The Romantic poet Keats wrote this in "Ode on a Grecian Urn."

> 
>According to the article Elle came in first, the college
>post-graduates last.
> 

All this proves is that I haven't been to Milan or the Louvre to know those 
questions but I suspect that Elle has no idea what quantum electrodynamics is, 
either. Maybe I should write up a physics exam and see how the models would 
do versus me. After all, it would only be slightly more skewed than this one.
d::-) 

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler
Xref: sparky alt.supermodels:1535 soc.women:18926 alt.feminism:3809 soc.men:18741
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:07:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Nov6.160742.26160
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov5.212006.2145@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.205232.3707@cbnews.cb.att.com> lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov5.202426.29752@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
>>>
>>>This super-slim fashion model trend had its advent in the sixties with Twiggy,
>>>and then just sorta' "stuck".  I think that part of the reason for the success
>>>of this trend is that the clothing designers have an easier time displaying
>>>their designs to best advantage on skinnier (flatter) women, simply because
>>>they have less of the curves that might otherwise affect the shape of the
>>>garment as worn.  This applies a bit less so to swimwear models.  The downside
>>
>>Not true, you're just making that up as you go along.
>>
>
>If you believe that I am making this up as I go, then pray tell, what do
>_you_ think is thr "real deal"?

Twiggy was not the advent of skinny models. Lauren Hutton for one predated
Twiggy.
    
It's simply not true that it's easier to display fashions on skinny women.
Just about all styles "hang" off either one or both of the breasts or hips and
skinny women don't have either.
Xref: sparky alt.supermodels:1725 soc.women:19370 alt.feminism:4223 soc.men:19119
From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
Subject: Re: The Beauty Myth (was:Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 01:20:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

>In article <1992Nov11.100954.601@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> y0000028@rzab0.rz.tu-bs.de (Kielhorn) writes:
>>With women it is a little different, they come in different shapes and only 5
>>percent look similar to those models. What happens to the other 95 percent, are 
---
	One thing I missed here --  You mean to tell me that 5% of the women
look like Elle?  Gee, I must live in an Elle impoverished area, since I
haven't seen anyone who looks exactly like here.

    Oh - you didn't mean 'exactly'?  What did you mean?  Looking like
which model?  Elle is quite different in appearance to, say, Madonna --
another female image.  Do you mean only 5% of the women have 2 breasts?
What is this 5% figure?  I see alot of women, and alot of them fall into
a category that I would see as attractive -- alot more than 5%.  Where
did you get this 5% figure?

-wat-
--
 --- "If women really earned fifty-nine cents to the dollar for the same
 work as men, what business could compete effectively by hiring men at
 any level?"    -- Dr. Warren Farrell
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
From: mmstahl@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (michael m. stahl)
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:09:52 GMT

   Try reading "The Beauty Myth" by Naomi Campbell.  I do
enjoy fashion photography and have an appreciation of the
female form, but reading this book does enlighten one on
the horrors of objectification of women, etc.  Lots of 
interesting facts like one in 10,000 women have the body
of a model, etc.

michael m. stahl


Xref: sparky alt.supermodels:1536 soc.women:18930 alt.feminism:3811 soc.men:18743
From: seksie@cs.montana.edu (Robin Winslett)
Subject: Re: Pictures?
Keywords: pictures
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Distribution: ind
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:00:15 GMT

In article <BxFI6u.4F9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> harryrow@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Harry Rowe) writes:

>the pictures are posted?  I would really like to get ahold of Cindy and Elle.
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Most of us would like to get ahold of Elle and Cindy too!

;-)

Robin
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Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
From: lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch)
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:48:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.192650.19040@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.171526.5511@wam.umd.edu> sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
>>One problem: Cars are inanimate objects that cant feel hurt.  Women are thinkingfeeling human beings who are psychologically hurt being USED like a hunk of
>>metal to sell a product.  Women may be partially responsible for their mental
>>health in this matter as suggested by the person who claimed it was all
>>a self-esteem problem.  Okay.  By the same line of reasoning I cant blaim
>>someone who hurts me by punching me in my mouth.  Afterall, it is partially
>>my responsibility for not blocking the blow and striking back.  If Im not
>>in good enough shape to ward off attack I guess it is still my fault.
>>I could have had let other things I value in my life go while I worked out
>>to prepare for being attacked.  Why should I blame the person who struck
>>me?  Enough of the sarcasm.  Do you see what Im saying.  People are hurt
>>by having society being programmed to expect others to live up to an ideal
>>image.  Just because someone may have the capacity to help themselves in
>>the face of an injustice doesnt make the injustice less of an injustice.
>
>Some good points here.  (I don't agree with the reasoning of the punch
>in the mouth, but...)
>
>What we are seeing is more men being affected by this need to be
>physically perfect too.  Men getting plastic surgery to "correct"
>aging, to give them muscular pecs and calves, boys and young men
>dieting and some becoming anorexic, men taking steriods to pump up
>their muscles, men starting to shave off "ugly" body hair, men having
>hair transplants.  I'm sure some people think turn about is fair play,
>but I don't want men saddled with these unreal expectations.  I don't
>want to see a very skinny 12 year old boy talk about how fat he is.

Well, at least we're *all* getting #@$%^&! up by the media, not just women.
Ain't much of an improvement, is it?
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Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch)
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:33:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.170150.12610@dragon.acadiau.ca> 891666t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trish Turliuk) writes:
>kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:
>>their feminine vibes (since they are societally bound not to have to come up to
>>you to ask you for a date and have you stare down your nose at them like
>>something slimy just crawled up to you.) Do you notice that the women (that
>>I've met, anyway) who DO come to ask you for a date DON'T have any problems
>>with Elle calendars?  :-)
>
>Rash generalization alert! RGA! I ask men on dates as much as they ask me.
>It doesn't bother me that a man will find a real woman who walks by 
>beautiful (unless she's composed of several artificial features: loads'o'makeup,
>peroxide/dye, killer coloured nails). It *does* bother me that what society
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>has governed to be beautiful is put up on a wall. Unrealistic objectification.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>My 2 cents on a cloudy saturday in Nova Scotia.
>Trish
>

So shall we tear down the L'ouevre next week?...

Sorry, but either you're not expressing yourself well, or you're being most
illogical about one particular form of artwork.
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