HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: plaws@uafhp.uark.edu (Peter Laws)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Scanner laws... (NOT illegal! - mostly)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:30:06 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Peter Laws <plaws@uafhp.uark.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

  Last year somebody (and I don't know who) typed in the chart of state
scanner laws that was in Pop' Comm last summer.  I have the list if anyone
would like it.  It is about 9k, so I'm reluctant to post it.  I also have
a "Intro to Scanning by Bob Parnass" file that has some info about legal
issues. 

  Bottom line is this: there are less than a dozen states that prohibit
*mobile* use of scanners.  And, as someone posted previously, most of
those states exempt Licensed Amateur Radio Operators. 

<soapboxmode -on>

  What law-abiding Americans should be concerned with is the fact that Our
Congress continues to pass laws that restrict our right to listen to
certain portions of the *PUBLIC* radio spectrum.  Of course, I refer to
the CTIA's (Cellular Telephone Industry Association) successful lobbying
campaign to get a small clause added to a Bill (concerning restricting
1-900 phone services -- but that's another thread!) that makes it illegal
to manufacture, import, or sell scanners capable of "monitoring cellular
phone transmissions" or capable of being "easily modified" to do same. 

  This marks the first time in the history of Radio in the US that the
common folk have been prohibited, not only from listening to certain
portions of the *PUBLIC* radio spectrum, but of even buying a radio with
said capability!  It is *NOT* illegal, I'd like to point out, to do the
same in Germany or other historically restrictive countries. 

  What's next?  Illegal to listen to the Cops?  The Fire? 

<soapboxmode -off>



PS- Someone also sent me the text of "The ECPA of 1986", the first law
that the CTIA got *their* Congress to pass that makes it a *crime* to
listen to cell-phones.  Question:  How far will the government go to
enforce this?  Will they get a warrant to come into your home check all
the memories in your Bearcat?  8-)  8-|  8-(   >:-(

Peter Laws|GEnie:P.LAWS1| "Finally:  one of our guys is  |plaws@uafhp.uark.edu
n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.noam| driving the car"--Dennis Miller|plaws@uafsysb.bitnet
From: Chuck.Sanders@f16.n128.z1.fidonet.org (Chuck Sanders)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: JOKE
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:50:56 -0800

  Your chicken joke is OFF TOPIC, please no futher posts on that
subject.
   Chuck Sanders, Moderator

 * Origin: FireNet Leader BBS  (719) 591-7415 (1:128/16)

Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:39:14 EST
From:         Howard Berkis - CC28 <CC28@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Heimlich

I know the heimlich manauver was named after the guy Heimlich
Does anybody have any  biograhpic info on him?

Thanx in advance

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Howard Berkis, EMT, AHA BCLS Instructor
Spring Hill VAC
PO Box 6
Spring Valley, NY 10977
CC28@Iona on BitNet...Internet Coming Soon (...or so they say)
PS  You can't spell MESs withous EMS
------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: James.Campbell@f145.n150.z1.fidonet.org (James Campbell)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: 2nd person w/same name
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:04:07 -0800

JC> The reply is not from me, check the phone number on the bottom
 
 EM>        I did notice that Jim..no problem...any idea whats going
 EM>        on?
 
      I don't know, I'm going to keep my eyes open and change my
      passwords on the bbs's which have a firenet conference.
 
 ---
    SMRead 3.0  #?    
 
 * Origin: HACKER'S BBS - NEW CASTLE, DE. (1:150/145.0)

Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Organization: Pro-Berks Inc.-Reading,Pa..The EMS Specialists.BBS.(215)929-4315
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:20:06 EST
Comments:     <Parser> W: MESSAGE-ID field duplicated. Last occurrence was
              retained.
From:         "Kenneth P. Lager Jr." <kenlager@PRO-BERKS.CTS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Fire Simulations

don,.

        I am semi-in-charge of the semi-new computer at our station in
Kutztown, PA.  I am calling from a Mac, so I cannot DL any programs.  I
would appreciate it if you could get in touch with me so we may exchange
programs.

Please contact me as soon as possible here.

Thanks,

Ken Lager
Kutztown Fire Department


ProLine:  kenlager@pro-berks
Internet: kenlager@pro-berks.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-berks!kenlager
From: Howard.Berkis.-.cc28@f102.n151.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Berkis - cc28)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: MORE ON COMPUTERS
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:00:00 -0800


Oh yeah I also forgot to ask in my post Re: computers

What type of system is everyone running???

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Howard Berkis, EMT, AHA BCLS Instructor
Spring Hill VAC
PO Box 6
Spring Valley, NY 10977
CC28@Iona on BitNet...Internet Coming Soon (...or so they say)
PS  You can't spell MESs withous EMS
------------------------------------------------------------------------

 * Origin: Gated by remote.fidonet.org (1:343/94)

 * Origin: Micro Message Service NCRTP (919)779-6674 TBBS 2.2M
(1:151/102)
From: Stephen.Stone@f34.n289.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Stone)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: PERSONAL MESSAGES
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 16:30:10 -0800

RM>To George, Bill, Phil, Pete, and everyone else using this net for
your mail
RM>service,

RM>Knock it off.  I, and I'm sure many other people, have many other
things to
RM>do
RM>than read your personal messages trying to get to the posts that are
RM>relevent.

Might I suggest, sir, that you review your job description to see, if
indeed, you are limited to fifteen minutes a day to do your
teleconferencing.  If you are, then I suggest you discuss your problem
with your supervisor.
Contrary to some beliefs, FireNet is here for the pleasure of it's
USERS.  And, those users include the "Hey, how are ya!  I'll be in
(insert City name here) next week for the conference.  Maybe we can get
together sometime!" type of messages.
There are those of us on here tired of the East Coast laws regarding
warning systems on POV's, what damned drug does what to whom, what's
the
best ambulance to buy, etc.  But, we live with them simply BECAUSE they
are of interest to another user.
By the way, your "posts that are relevant" comment is pretty selfish at
best, at damned arrogant at worst.  Use your reader to block out those
folks you don't want to read, or the topics (threads) you aren't
interested in.

RM>Please be polite and keep your messages on E-mail, the phone, or the
U.S.
RM>mail.

Not having access to NetMail, I will post this here, understanding full
well that I will get admonished for doing so.  However, perhaps it's
time YOU exercised some politeness and allowed others to use a medium
you think is obviously YOURS.
S. Stone
 * SLMR 2.0 #2054 * Press any key to continue or any other key to quit
 * Origin: Holy Bytes, it's The Batboard TBBS - (314) 446-0475 
(1:289/34)
From: Todd.Hockert@f6.n288.z1.fidonet.org (Todd Hockert)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: NEW USER
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 12:50:35 -0800

Linda, there are several other magazines out there, EMERGENCY MEDICAL
SERVICES, EMERGENCY, JEMS, AIR MEDICAL TRANSPORT. I am sure there are a
lot of rescue and fire magazines out there too. Look around or stop by a
local fire station they might have some other also you could look at.
Another good source for information is a hospital emergency room or
hospital library.
 
 * Origin: FlatLand bbs Fargo ND, DS-HST(701)-239-6048  (1:288/6)
From: Kevin.McGee@f69.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin McGee)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Motorola MX-350
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 00:38:00 -0800

 Do any departments out there use Mororola MX-350 radios? And if so 
how do they work, and what is the going price (used)?
 
 I have an chance to get a bunch of them but would like to hear some
comments before I get them.
  
 Thanks, Kevin

 * Origin: (1:275/69)
From: Jim.Henthorn@f1044.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Henthorn)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Bbs List-Internet Use
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 19:00:00 -0800

On 01-16-93, Bruce Cummings said to Jim Henthorn and I quote:

BC>FYI, the Mogur's BBS (818) 366-6442 here in Los Angeles is carrying
BC>Firenet.

I've added you to the list...

BC>How can I bounce messages from Firenet into INTERNET?  I have an
BC>Internet address and have been using a separate BBS that caters just

BC>to Internet messages.  Would be much easier to just use Firenet.

I know that there is an Internet Gateway out there somewhere. 

BC>Dr Bruce Cummings
BC>LA County Fire Dept. FEMA/USAR Team member

Please say hello to John McIntyre for me. (He knows me through NFIC).  
Thanks.

                        -Jim-

 * WinQwk 2.0b#356 * The FireStation BBS: Smoke Detectors-Sounds to Live
By
 * Origin: The FireStation BBS 1:261/1044 (410)866-8613 (1:261/1044)
From: James.Campbell@f145.n150.z1.fidonet.org (James Campbell)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: 2nd person w/same name
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 08:21:00 -0800

  REF: Title 16 Fire Police Rules (DE)
 .
      The reply is not from me, check the phone number on the bottom  of
the message. If you have any questions, I have a copy of it I'll  upload
to you.
      My messages has my local bbs number.                Thanks
 * SPITFIRE  Alpha v3.3

 * Origin: HACKER'S BBS - NEW CASTLE, DE. (1:150/145.0)

Xref: sparky misc.emerg-services:6222 soc.culture.canada:10417
From: James.Campbell@f102.n151.z1.fidonet.org (James Campbell)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: TORONTO 911 (FYI)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:04:00 -0800

DB>{The Toronto Star} reports that Bell Canada has applied to bring 911
 DB>service throughout Ontario (and not just certain municipalities
that
 
 CE> Make sure they get the E911.  That is when they call 911, there
 CE> name, address, phone is displayed to the dispatcher.  I work at a
 
      Enhanced 911 is the best, all the information shows up on a
screen
      right in front of the dispatcher.
 
      This system cuts down on 911 hang up calls, dispatchers know
      exactly where you're calling from.
 
 ---
    SMRead 3.0  #?    
 
 * Origin: HACKER'S BBS - NEW CASTLE, DE. (1:150/145.0)

 * Origin: Micro Message Service NCRTP (919)779-6674 TBBS 2.2M
(1:151/102)
From: Doug.Plaza@f413.n107.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Plaza)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Motorola GP-3000
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:17:00 -0800

GC>        My Fire District (Fire & EMS) is about to switch to all
GP-3000's.
GC>need to know if you like them or not!  I'd appreciate brief replies
as to
GC>whether or not you've had trouble with them, or any peculiarities. 
We inten
GC>to use them as "two-way pagers" with DTMF for the phone patch.

Do you meen the Motorola Radius GP-300?  The GP-300 is an 8 channel
compact portable with scan, "Stat Alert" ANI and paging capability.  If
you are talking about the GP-300 I have had some experience with these
portables.  The portables are quite well made and relatively easy to
use.  The compact size and page decoding capability make them an ideal
replacement for both portables and pagers especially at the price of
around $645.  The portables have been available in 16 channel version
outside of the U.S. There are a few drawbacks to this portable; the
channel scan list is dealer, not user programmed although there is a
"nuisance channel delete" which allows you to temporarily lock out a
channel.  Each pre-programmed scan list takes up a channel spot;
meaning 1 scan list leaves you room for 7 channels, also each paging
decode set takes up one channel.  If you use more than 1 set of pager
tones; ie. "duty crew" and "general" you use up 1 channel spot for
each.
The current generation is not capable of handling some of the older
"Plectron" series of tones, so check and make sure your current
paging tones are compatible.  The radios can be opened up to 16 channel
slots but I don't believe the radio has FCC type acceptance in 16
channel format.
     Around the first week of March there is a newer generation of
GP-300 with enhanced pager capabilities being released by Motorola.
This version will be capable of handling many of the "Plectron" series
of tones that the current version can not.  It will also be capable of
handling 2 sets of pager tones in the A/B, A/C format currently
available in the Minitor I and II pagers.
     All in all the GP-300 is probably the best transiever / pager you
can find for the money.  Hope this helps!
                                    Doug
  SLMR 2.1a  Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch!


 * Origin: THE THIEVE'S GUILD BBS  Multi-Gig & Node (1:107/413)
(9(1:107
From: AULETTAK@GUVM.BITNET (Kelli Auletta)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Trivia ??'s on PA & DC services.
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:05:30 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Comments:     Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2


         Director, Alumni Networking and Student Affairs
         (x7-7157)
To answer with the best of my ability: 1) I have no clue what it was 'cause I
didn't see the vehicles youre talking about. :(

2) I haven't heard anything about Congress having a special service for
members only. If they do, they're definitely a private enterprise. I know that
when the President's motorcade goes anywhere, there is a medic unit assigned
to the motorcade. But, we had the opportunity to host Clinton last week for
his diplomatic address and our squad did stand-by for the event. Of course,
that's not to say the medics weren't around somewhere. I know they put the
hospital on stand-by (we have a hospital on campus) and had the chiefs of the
departments either be in the hospital or within a reasonable response area.

I honestly can't imagine that anyone would order their medics not to come to
the aid of a member of the public in distress. Wouldn't that be considered
negligence? I'll try to find out more about the Congressional question for
you.

Kelli Auletta
DC EMT-A, NREMT
GERMS (Georgetown Emergency Response Medical Service)
Washington, DC
aulettak@guvm.bitnet
From: chrise@gtm-inc.com (Chris Ecclestone)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Response Times
Keywords: EMT, EMS, Ambulance, Response Time
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 21:03:55 EST
Reply-To: chrise@gtm-inc.com (Chris Ecclestone)
Distribution: usa
Organization: G.T.M. Incorporated, Kingston, ON (613) 546-3078

I am an E.M.C.A. who has been working as a volunteer for a rural 
ambulance service in Ontario Canada for almost five years and some of the 
response times and procedures I have seen in this news group amaze me.  
Our crew has 6 minutes (day) and 10 minutes (night) to call the 
dispatcher and go in service after a page.  If this doesn't happen, the 
dispatcher fills out a form to document the failure of the crew to 
respond in time.  No procedure exists for sending a backup ambulance or 
any other professional responder.  It is essentially left to the 
dispatcher to figure it out at the time.  Another thing:  the nearest 
possible backup ambulance is at least 20 minutes away from our catchment 
area. (Assuming they are in their vehicle and ready to respond when 
called - and drive like maniacs).

The services which back us up are all one-vehicle services, and all at 
least 20 minutes away.  

There has been a lot of media coverage of how exellent the Canadian 
health care system is, and the debate over whether the USA should adopt a 
similar system rages on.  I think the answer is a hybrid system.  The 
American system seems to provide more equipment (EMS anyway), and the 
Canadian system is easier to enter and requires more training (but won't 
let us use it).  An example:  in order to be paid for working more than 
24 hours a week as an AO (ambulance officer) in Ontario, you have to 
complete a 1500 - 2000 hour Ambulance Emergency Care course at an 
accredited college and pass a 6 hour provincial exam.  

Then, after you've been trained in all the skills you need, you are 
prohibited from performing them - until you get more training (which 
isn't offered.).

I prefer the US system for the number of skills that EMT's are allowed to 
perform, and the availability of backup equipment and personnel; but I 
(so far) prefer the Ontario (Canadian) system for universality and 
minimum training standards for full time ambulance officers.  Part time 
is another matter ....


--------------------------------------------------
chrise@gtm-inc.com (Chris Ecclestone)
G.T.M. Incorporated BBS - 613/546-3078 [9600 v.32]
From: Jack.Still@p3.f211.n270.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Still)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Mobil-1 Synthetic Oil
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 10:06:42 -0800

In a message on <Jan 21 20:48>, Steve Sulkowski of 1:2615/3 writes:


 SS> I use Mobil-1 in all of my show cars, I figure that even though
 SS> it's a little more expensive it's worth it.  Also I've noticed 
 SS> that it doesn't condense moisture into its self over the 
 SS> winter like regeular oil does.  I still use regeular 10W40 
 SS> 10W30 Valvoline in the daily drivers.  The cost of 5-8 oil 
 SS> changes a year in two cars makes the Mobil-1 too expemsive.
 SS> STEVE
What is you mail address?

 * Origin: Point #3 ===> The Mdtn_BBS Point #3  (1:270/211.3)

Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:52:21 EST
From:         Thomas Leber <leber@PANTHER.WARM.INMET.COM>
Subject:      Re: Motorola GP-3000

> If you are paying $645 you should call me. I can put you in touch with
> a place that with save you $100+ per radio.

Care to share that info? Also, is there a GP-300 with more than 8 channels
available?

Perspiring minds want to know...;-)

Tom Leber
FF/EMT/VRT
Wyndmoor Hose Co. No. 1 - Montgomery County PA
---------------------------
Tom Leber <leber@panther.warm.inmet.com> Intermetrics, Inc. Warminster PA
              "Right Now, time is having it's way with you."
From: Joel.Fedorko@f102.n151.z1.fidonet.org (Joel Fedorko)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: WANTED - MALTESE CROSS AND STAR OF LIFE FOR
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:21:00 -0800



 I'm currently using a b&w mac so I can't use my gif converter.. 
Is there a ftpsite or BBS with a Maltese Cross and/or Star of life
that's in a format I can use in MacDraw (preferably pict)?

Thanks -Joel

-- 
Joel Fedorko                          Remember Bit Hopper, 
Sr. Consultant                 You must become one with the machine.
Day Data 
jfedorko@ncsa.uiuc.edu        Any opinions I express will be ignored.

 * Origin: Gated by remote.fidonet.org (1:343/94)

 * Origin: Micro Message Service NCRTP (919)779-6674 TBBS 2.2M
(1:151/102)
From: deglop@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Jacob DeGlopper)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Scanner laws... (NOT illegal! - mostly)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:34:36 GMT
Organization: EEAP, CWRU, Cleveland
NNTP-Posting-Host: donald.eeap.cwru.edu

In article <Pine.3.05.9301271912.A8851-c100000@uafhp.uark.edu> Peter Laws <plaws@uafhp.uark.edu> writes:

[Note that this is really much more appropriate to alt.radio.scanner]

>  Bottom line is this: there are less than a dozen states that prohibit
>*mobile* use of scanners.  And, as someone posted previously, most of
>those states exempt Licensed Amateur Radio Operators. 

_All_ states exempt licensed amateur operators.  The last state to add
this exemption added it in April of 1992.

>common folk have been prohibited, not only from listening to certain
>portions of the *PUBLIC* radio spectrum, but of even buying a radio with
>said capability!  It is *NOT* illegal, I'd like to point out, to do the

To pick nits, it will not, as I understand it, be illegal to buy or posess
a radio capable of receiving cellular transmissions.  It will be illegal to
sell, manufacture, or import such a radio.


-- 
         Jacob DeGlopper, EMT-A, Wheaton (MD) Volunteer Rescue Squad
            -- CWRU Biomedical Engineering - jrd5@po.cwru.edu --
"Well as through this life I've rambled I've seen lots of funny men
 Some will rob you with a six-gun, some with a fountain pen." -- Woody Guthrie
From: George.Vaisey@p5.f333.n2613.z1.fidonet.org (George Vaisey)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Me Too
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 22:08:00 -0800

 > hi i am an explorer with metro-dade fire rescue post 1403 in dade
county
 > fl.

    Mike, Glad to see another Explorer face around here <grin>.  I am
aslo an explorer with the Greece LakeShore Fire Department (LSFD)
Explorer Post #708
(New York's, MONROE COUNTY).  What type of things do you train in, what
are you allowed to do at scenes?? I am the President, what position are
your?? Would you be interested in trading department and or explorer
patches?? Thanks.  Write back soon...

            George Vaisey

 * Origin: LakeShore LMTD. (1:2613/333.5)
From: Leroy.Griffiths@f312.n270.z1.fidonet.org (Leroy Griffiths)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: For Sale: Motorola VHF Mobile
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:04:00 -0800

 > DS> I have seen two almost unbelievably ignorant responses to the
 > DS> above posting.  One asked if the radio could work on 33.90 MHz
and the
 > DS> other wanted to know about a frequency in the 154 MHz range. 
Can't

Mr. Stark,
        I am the person who asked that question. I you think it is
 "unbelievably stupid", so be it. But, do not say I am unbelievably
stupid in a
 public echo. I asked a question, and got a response NetMail. If
everyone
 posting a question here, is deemed "unbelievably stupid", where would
that
 lead? You may NETMAIL me at 1:270/312 for any further reply. To all in
the
 echo, please excuse this, but I have no choice but to defend myself.

Captain Leroy Griffiths
Speedwell Fire Company
West Lebanon Township
Lebanon, Pennsylvania

 * Origin: The Lap Of The Lords (1:270/312)
From: Dan.Guenthner@f48.n152.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Guenthner)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: For Sale: Motorola VHF Mobile
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 10:48:03 -0800

In a message of (20 Jan 93  16:49:00), David Stark wrote to All:
 
DS>     The UUCP guys have been complaining about the "personal" 
DS> messages in Fidonet because of the traffic load that they generate 
DS> with little useful content.
 
DS>     Speaking of useful content.....

Well...speaking of useful content that can go both ways...some of the
stuff off of UUCP is a bunch of trash and just cost more to haul the
mail and never says anything useful. IMHO...I really don't have a use
for most of the UUCP gated stuff. Don't get me wrong...it does have its
place.
 
DS>     I have seen two almost unbelievably ignorant responses to the 
DS> above posting.  One asked if the radio could work on 33.90 MHz and 
DS> the other wanted to know about a frequency in the 154 MHz range. 
DS> Can't these people count?  140-160 means all the numbers BETWEEN 
DS> 140 and 160.

I have to agree with you...but I had too take my shoes off and count on
my toes to figure it out. <ROAR>!

Later David...

Dan


 * Origin: HOME OF SAF-NET (The ONLY Alternative)  (1:152/48)

Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU