From: rose@cecily.UUCP (Rose M. Delckum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: DOOL: Julie
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 10:19:42 GMT
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In article <1ena3bINNm76@agate.berkeley.edu>, S. A. Wilson writes:

> In article <1992Nov20.232107.16602@sadtler.com> rick@sadtler.com (Rick Morris) writes:
> >======
> >Coleen Flanagan wrotes:
> >======
> >
> >>                    ...             I couldn't agree with you more with how 
> >>    Julie treated Jack in such a patronizing manner.
> >>                   ...
> >>    wrong as I normally love the scenes between Julie and Jack but that scene
> >>    yesterday between them rubbed me the wrong way.  
> >>
> >
> >The way EVERYBODY treats Jack is bothering me.  Even the way Jack treats
> >Jack.  Come on Jack, let's see a good plan pay off big!
> >
> >-Rick.
> >-- 
> >Rick Morris                            Email:  rick@sadtler.com
> >Sadtler Research Labs, Philadelphia   -But I speak for myself
> >---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> I think that Jack is supposed to be everyone's punching bag. TPTB
> are trying to center everything on Butthead.

     I agree.  I also find this very strange, as Jack is probably one
of the most popular male characters on the show.  It seems like more and
more TPTB are letting personal feelings/vendettas get in the way of what is
best for the show.

> As you so correctly
> posted Rick, Bo is not Bo. RKK's response that he does not want
> Bo to be a superhero reveals how little RKK knows about the character.
> He took over Bo, he should have watched old scenes with Bo and Hope.
> The old Bo was a hero. Remember when he rescued Roman from jail
> along with Alice's donuts; when he kidnapped Hope before her wedding;
> plus many more.

     Okay, I've never been a big Bo fan myself.  And just to give RKK some
credit here, he had to try and take an enormously popular character that
had been played by Reckell for years and make this character his.  He was
right in trying to go off in a different direction.  Matt was the third
Jack, and his Jack was completely different from the other two.  The
difference is that people liked Matt's Jack, while Rkk's interpretation of
Bo rubs lots of us the wrong way.

> What happened to his bike? When RKK took over he
> knew that Bo was an established character and knowing this he should
> have realized that he took on this character, that doing so leaves
> little room for him to play with the character. If RKK had come on
> as an completely different person than RKK could play him as he 
> likes, but he did not and those has an obligation to the character's
> past and to the fans of the show.

     I agree he does have an obligation to keep the past in mind.  He
could've changed Bo gradually though.  Like have a scene where he mentions
how much he hated giving up his bike, but he needed something safer to use
to drive S-D around, something like that.  Also, I think we have to put
some blame on the writers here.  The Bo played in Reckell in his last few
months was completely different from the old Bo.  During this period,
Reckell's Bo was also childish, immature, neglectful etc.  So some of this
has to be put on the writers.

> This is why RKK is failing at the
> role.  TPTB are trying everything to make us like RKK, Bo, but I
> do not think it will work. What made Bo interesting no longer 
> exists. No matter how much RKK tries to do is glare. Jack, Matt,
> is being scarificed. Matt has an opinion about his character and
> remains true to it, remaining true to the feelings of the fans. This
> does not hold will with Corday. So Jack is trashed, Jack is everyone's
> punching bag, and is the show's fool.

     This is whatI mean about TPTB's personal feelings interfering.  Teling
Matt he can't ad-lib?  That is totally ridiculous!  All this happened after
last years flap over his contract renewal, and it seems like they're doing
everything in their power to make him want to quit.  Same for everyone
except their favorites.  But what they should be paying attention to is
ratings and fan mail.  There's a reason Days has been in the ratings dumps,
and their little petty bickering is a large part of it.
> 
> I cannot see were this script will lead to anything substantial for
> Jack. If he published it he will be a romance novelist, out of
> character from the dignified, intellectual, snobbish Jack--he will be
> a fool. Secondly, the script has to do with a secret involving Jenn's
> parents, hence publishing it will make Jack a bad guy--insensitive to
> Jenn and her family's feelings.  I cannot see anything shocking happening
> in the house, other than an affair, or else the story deals with Bill
> and Laura's affair during her marriage to Mickey.

     Not to sound dumb, but if Bill wrote it, wouldn't he recognize it as
his work when it was published?  Also, realistically, first time authors
have a bitch of a time getting published (trust me, I know) and also get
very small advances/royalties.  The average writer is lucky to net $10,000
per year (which is why most of the professional writers I know have day
jobs!)  And writing has no job security.  If they have Jack get a major
advance and 25% royalties or something like that, I will just fall off my
sofa laughing!  In order to be a successful novelist (ie to make any money
at it) he'd have to crank out 3-4 novels per year, in addition to short
stories.  Now I think the idea of Jack as a novelist *could* be great.  We
could see him doing research, possibly stumbling across an old mystery in
newspaper clippings and thus getting involved in something really
intruguing.  But I don't see it happening.

> It will not be
> a grand mystery/adventure for J&J, Julie, and others, there is no room.
> Jack is only the show's fun guy, doormate, he will not be involved in
> any mystery which was always apart of the Days of old--in fact this
> is the first time since I watched the show that by this time of
> year there was no great umbrella mystery which involved numerous 
> Salemites.

     When was the last time we had a good mystery?  Not a mystery like who
killed Nick/Emilio, or what happened to Carly's baby, but a good mystery.
Like the thing with Orpheus.  Or Emma's murder (boy, I still miss her.  I'd
love to see her come back from the dead and go up against Carly!  Can we
say 'hamburger'? :-)  )

> I cannot take anymore of this Nikki, Carly, Lizard stuff
> it has gone on too long.
    
     Amen.

> Lizard is now ruined. He no longer is complex,
> he is a wimp, constantly moping about Carly. His past deeds are completely
> forgotten as well. Yesterday Bo told Carly he thought Lizard was behind
> Viv's death. When she told him she did not think so he did not come back
> with the facts that Lizard tried to kill her brother, himself, her, his
> sister, Alice, and others; that he did kill Steve; that he did rape Jenn.

     When he was first introduced, Lawrence was a complex character.  Now
he's reduced to being Carly's cocker spaniel.  And I can't believe they're
trying to make us forget his past, especially when showing his redemption
could be a good, albeit long term, storylinre.  Of course, when you change
writers every month, long term stories are a no-no.

> The only possible hope is that we
> find out Carly is in fact one mean bitch. That she was using Bo, Jenn,
> and the rest of the Salemites as suckers and has one big revenge up her
> selves--that she is in fact Stefano's daughter or something. Right now
> Little_Miss_Can't_Be_Wrong does not cut it, and she is bringing down
> Lizard, and the show.

     Not Stefano's daughter.  He's too good for her.  I'd like to think
what she was trying to do was this...she goes after Bo cause he's the heir
to the Kiriakis empire.  When Vic dies, she'll be married to a very wealthy
man.  Then, she poisons Bo and runs off with Lawrence...this way they have
the combined Kiriakis, Alamain, and Von Leuschner fortunes.  This is what
she's been up to all along.
> 
> Was the stuff with Scarrie and Asstin pretty disgusting? I mean a
> gym in her living room. Scarrie a trainer?

     Yeah, like she has lots of experience...not!  And what ahppened to not
having money?  Didn't that equipment cost a fortune?  Or did she use the
money she got from John?

> After a
> long grueling operation Marcus saves her face, and it is then that
> ClassicCarrie returns. The blows to the head also make her back to
> her old self, the Carrie of old would not fall for a dick like him,
> nor would live with the likes of Billie; she the moves in with John.

     I really hope the writers realize Christie's Carrie is totally
different from Tracy's Carrie!
> 
> Since Bromka lives back East her work on DOCL keeps her away for her
> family, so I guess it was probably her idea to leave. Though, I hope
> that the truck does not kill her, that the role will be reaccuring.
> Scenes of Marlena and her in therapy would be a riot. Also, again I
> say she is a better actress than Pease, and she could do a damn good
> job of showing a person try to overcome her mental illness, her
> dependency on her husband, and her hatred of Marlena. Patsy plays
> the whole mental illness thing as a joke, I do not feel sorry for
> the character, I really see no motivation in her actions--they are
> spelled out in the storyline but Pasty does not bring them out, does
> not make me care.
>
    
Yes, DOCL is losing a good actress with Bromka leaving.  And I truly find
it incredible what a bad job Patsy is doing.  MPD is a really horrible
thing, especially when you consider that it is uaually caused by extreme
child abuse.  I find it truly sickening that DOOL should trivialize such a
horrible disease.  They are using it as a chance to show more sex and
violence, without showing any other side effects.  Like I said before, why
are Kim's alternate personalities sluts?  Why not a little kid, a black
lawyer, a garbage collector, a housewife, and old man, a war veteran, a
nun, a teacher, any number of other things?  And I find it incredible that
Patsy, who has been through so much personal horror herself, would be a
party to trivializing such a horrible disease.
 
> I still believe that Steve is being held prisoner on some island of
> the coast of N. Africa. That he will return. That Jack and he will
> team up. That the real Stefano will return. That Carly is his daughter
> and was the one behind Nick's "death." However, Nick of course is
> managing a bar in Africa, hanging out in deep cover until the ISA
> can call him back. That Carly will suffer the fate of Stefan's other
> daughter--yet much worse. That......[oh it is time for my drugs...I
> need to trade with Guava and Onion they always get the pretty colors...]

     Don't forget, Eve gets to run into Nick...and Carly isn't related to
Stefano, and that Jack and Steve will be joined by Nick, who will of course
marry Eve after they expose MM and Carly.  And of course, Drake is Roman,
and Diana is in Africa doing a news story and will stumble across our
intrepid heroes, and Kayla is over there with the Peace Corps....
Would you like my pretty purple pills Spudnix?  I know how much you like
them...isn't medication time such fun?  :-)

> 
> Spudnix--Thank god I don't have a small nose or else I wouldn't
> have been able to type this...what with the nice white, long selved
> shirt that the nice doctors gave me--Peel.

     They only make her wera it cause she threw the remote at Carly one
time and broke the tv in the lounge.  *I* don't have to wear one cause
*I've* been good!  (Don't anyone tell them I've been hoarding my pills
under my mattress....)

     La Guava
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