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From: fc03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Frederick W. Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Pro/Am, Mark Mitchell & Paul Wylie
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:08:50 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi everyone!

In article <1g7oauINN96k@FUNCTOR.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU>,
loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore) writes:

>BTW, one problem I had with both Eldredge's and Wylie's routines was
>that I generally feel kind of uncomfortable with attempts to play on
>people's emotions by invoking themes of religion or patriotism or
>whatever.

I object to this in principle (e.g., Hamilton's Battle Hymn of the Republic
at one of the Professional Competitions made me feel that way), but I
didn't really find either Eldgedge's or Wylie's performances to be
emotionally manipulative (which is not to say that Hamilton's necessarily
was).  I think it depends somewhat on the mood of the viewer at the time.

>   Mark Mitchell skated to the (boring?) "Don Quixote".
>
[...]
>his performance seemed a little lacking in excitement (compared to the
>one we saw at Skate America, for example).  IMHO, cutting the routine
>to leave out a bunch of the jumps was a mistake because it reduced the
>overall exuberance and power of the program.

I completely agree!  I thought that the complete program at Skate America
had MUCH more artistic impact than the shortened program at the Pro-Am
competition.  Supposedly, they cut it down so that he could focus more on
the artistic presentation, but I think it was a bad idea.  It's too
confusing for a skater to have two versions of the same program (at least
in my limited experience it is).  You can't skate from the heart when your
head is trying to figure out which move from which version of your program
to do next.

...........................................................................

For me, the highlights of the first Pro-Am competition were: (1) Scott
Hamilton's performances; his footwork in the technical program was
astounding and dazzling -- BY FAR the best footwork of both the Pro-Am and
World Professional championships (which aired the same day in my location);
also, the fact that he nailed every jump in his artistic program (maybe one
minor mistake, I'm not sure) -- jumps he had not done in competition since
the '84 Olympics, like the triple loop -- was very exciting!  (2) Paul
Wylie's artistic program was, to me, absolutely supurb, unequaled in its
artistry and drama. (How 'bout that long, graceful backwards spiral in the
opening?)  What an thoroughly compelling performance!

All my very own opinions... your mileage may vary.

Fred Chapman
Phantom Skater

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From: jaya@eng.umd.edu (Jayanti S. Kanal)
Subject: Re: Landover - Prof. Worlds
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:21:16 GMT


I, too saw the Landover competition. THanks to Mary and the others who
posted such complete results and impressions of the night! For variety's
sake, I will add my impressions (all standard disclaimers apply :-)  ):

I enjoyed the ladies' competition - Kristi Y's performances were varied
and polished. Her technique was right on, but for me it was her wonderful
body line that put her above the others. Her carraige and upper body use
was great. One simple inside spread eagle sticks in my mind as a perfect
move - her back and arm extension took the move from basic to something
really special.

Denise B's numbers were very smooth - she skated fast and confidently. I 
was intrigued by her second number - a soulful acapella tune by Terence Tent
Darby - but I didn't get swept away by her interpretation to it - I am not sure
any skater could "do right by that song", actually. Trenary's skating was
marred by missed jumps, but the height and flow going into them was wonderful.
Sumners skated well and with a lot of enthusiasm.

As far as the men go - I felt that Orser was completely ripped off by his
third place finish. Wylie skated beautifully, too, although some of his 
landings were sketchy. Boitano IS a perfect
technician, but if he does another piece like all of the ones he has done since
the Olympics, I think it is safe to say he is merely a technician! He is
a superb jumper, the best fer sure, but I feel he is very inexpressive. 
Orser, on the other hand, has year after year, shown an ability to skate TO 
all of his musical selections, and the selections have varied greatly. He has
proven that he is very broad artistically, and this year his technical moves
were strong and complete. Boitano additionally won an award for contributions
to the sport, including artistic contributions, and at the risk of 
receiving many flames, I beg to disagree. I *love* watching him skate, but 
as an artist he is no risk taker. I also feel that Orser and Wylie connect with
their audiences. To me, Boitano is aware of his audience, but I don't sense
that same connection or outreach that the others achieve.

Of course all of this is subjective commentary (kind of like judging :-) )
-Jaya (jaya@src.umd.edu)
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From: sk82wind@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Peter P Zapalo)
Subject: Re: 1992 World Pro Championships from Landover, MD
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:35:40 GMT

	The Ladies' comp was absolutely great.  Although it was commented
that Jill Trenary could have been better, I think she fell apart with her
normal jitters--once she makes a mistake, she has a hard time coming back.
In the warmup, she was hitting triples like I've never seen her.  I thought
she was going to give Kristi a run for the money.  Then, in Jill's TP, she
did a sensational double axel, and then, for some unknown reason, she came
scorching around and attempted a triple flip, which she hadn't even warmed
up.  Well, she splatted really hard out of it, and then went downhill from
there, putting her hand down on a triple salchow and leaving out her triple
toe.  In the artistic, she completed a beautiful double axel and triple sal,
but couldn't come back from her defeceit from the TP.  Contrary to what was
said earlier about Denise Beilman's programs, her artistic music was
terrible, meaningless, and I almost left to get some refreshments during her
skate because I was so bored.  Kristi was by far the shining star of the
event.  Her TP was effortlessly skated and flawless.
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 18:50:08 GMT
Subject: Cross-over Question:  Am I doing it?
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.skate

I have a question about cross-overs while in-line skating.  Mainly, does this
mean your foot crosses over the centerline of your body weight?  I've been
getting better and found i go faster if after completing the "push-out" stroke
I then bring the "to be stroked" skate across my body C/L almost to the
point where it touches the extended skate.  I then transfer my weight to that
inside skate (which is now weighted on the outside of the wheel) and lean
in the direction of the unloaded (or just stroked skate) and push in the
opposite direction (which prevents me from falling).

Whatever, I'm getting better and even got kicked out of a shopping mall
parking lot by security.  They were very nice and even let me go down the
ramp which was my first big hill and quite a challange keeping control with
only slalom breaking (I can see why they don't want skaters there with that
ramp and cars at the bottom!!).  I've been skating a closer parking lot
on weekends at 7:30AM with no security problems (too small to have 
security, probably) on weekends.  Went to city hall and skated around there
and was left alone.  Found a good place to do laps that is like a very
short track.

Kirk (made it!) out
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From: tal@netcom.com (Tal Dayan)
Subject: Re: Ice Figure Skating - A Competitive Sport For Gay Men
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:17:54 GMT

In article <BzA03H.G66@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, vs55212@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Venus Sinn ) writes:
>
> <deleted...>
> 
> ... We all know that AIDS does not just transmit by
> the homosexuals!  The best example is Magic Johnson...do you think he is 
> gay????
> 

Maybe he is not but his boy friend is ;-)


Tal



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From: pledge@netcom.com (Alan McLachlan)
Subject: Re: CoolBlades
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:02:25 GMT

In article <MARY.92Dec13192154@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec11.215117.15185@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcantrel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken  Cantrell) writes:
>
>   I've heard a lot about SwitchIts and Aeroblades recently, but nobody ever
>   mentions CoolBlades.  I've got a pair, and I'm curious why noone seems to
>   care for them.  I think that they are MOST cool.  What's the general
>   consenus on them?
>
>I like 'em.  I thought about getting Lightnings or something, but got the
>Coolblades because the fit was significantly better.  I love buckles instead
>of laces, too.  I can't wait for the hot weather, when the "cool" part will
>really pay off!
>
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>

I have a pair too. Just remember CoolBlades are a "cheaper" version of another
skate so thats probably why they aren't discussed as much
From: mpeters@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Michael Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Rollerblade miles = ? Running miles
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:19:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Corporation - Dayton, OH USA

kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>I was wondering if someone out there knew what the equivalent 
>of Rollerblading 10 miles is in running miles.  There is this
>nice track around Lake Miramar in San Diego which is about 5
>miles.  There are a few very slight gradations in the track, but
>it is basicly flat.  The surface is relatively smooth asphalt.
>I have Lightnings which are fairly new, so the bearings and
>wheels are in good condition.  My time was about 45-50 minutes.
>After the skate, I felt like I ran 3-4 miles at a 7-8 minute 
>pace.  

I've skated that path when visiting my mother in RB.  It's a
great place for a workout and practicing crossovers.  It looks
like a good place for some inline races.  Spectators would have
a view of the racers on almost the entire path.  Did you happen to
skate from the parking area down to the street?   I was braking 
all the way down, when a child on a bike buzzed by me, totally
out of control.  She hit a tree, but she was OK. 

I think you are are pretty close on the conversion.  If I skate
pretty hard for about 20 miles, it feels equivalent to about a
10 K run, but with much less trauma on the knees and other joints.

We have a group that meets a couple of times a week.  Have you
noticed how much harder you skate, when done with a group with
equivalent talent?  You tend to push each other, but its much
more fun than just pushing yourself on the lonesome trail.

-- 
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WIN Management Services
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From: jaya@eng.umd.edu (Jayanti S. Kanal)
Subject: Re: Yamaguchi's and Boitano's boots and blades
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:56:07 GMT

>	I heard from a person that sharpens blades that the gold blades 
>(no mention of what brand name) are tapered (i.e., the thickness of the 
>blade is not constant as one moves from the edge up toward the boot), and 
>hence are very difficult to lock down properly for a sharpening -- he 
>recommended against them.  Anybody else on the net have an opinion (or 
>some facts).

Gold Seal blades are also tapered, making them harder to sharpen 
reliably, according to some folks who sharpen skates around here.
They mentioned that they like the Vantage blade because it is not
tapered but straight and flat.  I believe with the tapered blades they 
have to continually adjust the equipment as they sharpen, while one setting
will do for blades with straight sides. I can get more specifics next time
I stop by the shop.

I loved my Gold Seal blades (I currently have Vantage blades and like them, 
but not quite as much), but one of the guys who sharpens my skates smiled
happily when I made the switch. 
Hope this helps,
Jaya (jaya@src.umd.edu)
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From: vs55212@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Venus Sinn )
Subject: Re: Ice Figure Skating - A Competitive Sport For Gay Men
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:59:40 GMT

georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:


>A friend of mine told me this weekend that men participating in
>competitive ice figure skating are known to chase peter, and this
>has caused the sport to be plagued with AIDS, among other things.

>Is there any truth to this? I recall there was at least one famous male
>ice skater who died of AIDS in recent years, but I don't recall the
>detail.

As we all know, figure skating is not just a sport for gays!!!  There are
always some cofusions about a man showing his artistic side!!!  BTW, for
the past several years, we all know that AIDS does not just transmit by
the homosexuals!  The best example is Magic Johnson...do you think he is 
gay????



Venus
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Rollerblade miles = ? Running miles
Date: 18 Dec 1992 21:58:15 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <988@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> mpeters@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Michael Peters) writes:
>kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>>I was wondering if someone out there knew what the equivalent 
>>of Rollerblading 10 miles is in running miles.  There is this
>>nice track around Lake Miramar in San Diego which is about 5
>>miles.  There are a few very slight gradations in the track, but
>>it is basicly flat.  The surface is relatively smooth asphalt.
>>I have Lightnings which are fairly new, so the bearings and
>>wheels are in good condition.  My time was about 45-50 minutes.
>>After the skate, I felt like I ran 3-4 miles at a 7-8 minute 
>>pace.  
>
>I've skated that path when visiting my mother in RB.  It's a
>great place for a workout and practicing crossovers.  It looks
>like a good place for some inline races.  Spectators would have
>a view of the racers on almost the entire path.  Did you happen to
>skate from the parking area down to the street?   I was braking 
>all the way down, when a child on a bike buzzed by me, totally
>out of control.  She hit a tree, but she was OK.

Actually, I took my brake off, since it seems to get in the
way when I play roller hockey.  Without the brake, I try
to avoid hills, like the one from the parking lot to the street.
 
>I think you are are pretty close on the conversion.  If I skate
>pretty hard for about 20 miles, it feels equivalent to about a
>10 K run, but with much less trauma on the knees and other joints.

What I find interesting is that after doing a few laps, my leg
and lower back muscles ache, but I am not as much out of breathe
as if I was running (maybe I wasn't skating hard enough).  What
I am hoping is that roller blading might get my downhill sking
muscles in better shape.  When I used to live in Calgary, I 
would ski alot and generally have no problems with endurance
(I was also alot younger back then).  Since I only ski one or two 
times a year now that I live in San Diego,  I have tried to do 
something like run alot before I go ski to try to get the dormant 
eg muscles in some kind of shape.   Unfortunately, running doesn't 
seem to help my downhill skiing endurance.  This year, I am going 
to try to roller blade alot before the next time I go skiing.  
Hopefully this will help me making though 4 days of non-stop skiing.

>-- 
>Michael Peters
>WIN Management Services
>Michael.Peters@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM
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Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
From: Jawara@Applelink.Apple.COM (Ron Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Disco/Classic Roller Skating Music
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:43:01 GMT
Followup-To: rec.skate
Organization: Me, The Whole Me and Nothing But

I was skating along listening to a tape of "A Decade Of Steely Dan"
when "Hey Nineteen" came on. I'd always noticed the line "...skate
a little lower, now..." in the song but didn't appreciate it until
I'd learned to skate. That was the first time I'd ever contemplated
skate-dancing. There are a few songs on the album that lend them-
selves to it.

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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Cross-over Question:  Am I doing it?
Date: 13 Dec 92 05:54:30 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <55870032@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) writes:
> I have a question about cross-overs while in-line skating.  Mainly, does this
> mean your foot crosses over the centerline of your body weight?  I've been
> getting better and found i go faster if after completing the "push-out" stroke
> I then bring the "to be stroked" skate across my body C/L almost to the
> point where it touches the extended skate.  I then transfer my weight to that
> inside skate (which is now weighted on the outside of the wheel) and lean
> in the direction of the unloaded (or just stroked skate) and push in the
> opposite direction (which prevents me from falling).

Your description is a little confusing.  "Crossovers" are normally done
while traversing an arc.  The returning foot is passed over/in front of
the foot your are rolling on, and they you transfer your weight to it and
push.  In this case, the skate is definitely crossed over your centerline,
but I don't think this is what your are talking about.

For powerful straight ahead strokes in distance or speed skating, the skate
that is being returnend is placed on the ground such that it is slightly on
the outside edge.  The idea is that this gives longer and more powerful
stroke, but it shouldn't be overdone to the degree that your upper body has
to move to maintain balance.  This sounds like what you are talking about,
but isn't called a "crossover".

Maybe Phil can take a better crack at your question...

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From: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Subject: Re: How to sharpen skates ??
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:33:51 GMT

In <1gj9ovINNj4m@FUNCTOR.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU> loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore) writes:

>jkaplenk@lucpum.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk) writes:

>   Whoever is doing the ice skating FAQ is free to include it.
>   I am still not sure who, if anyone, is coordinating the 
>   ice skating FAQ. I know Sandra Loosemore was mentioned.

>I'm doing the competitive skating FAQ list -- the one that deals with
>figure skating as a spectator sport.  I don't really know very much
>about equipment or other aspects of skating as a participant sport so
>I'd prefer it somebody else did that.  I'm sure there's probably
>enough material for a separate post, anyway.  Besides questions about
>boots and blades, we've seen periodic discussions about "weak ankles",
>off-ice conditioning, and pain/injuries from skating.

>-Sandra

Is anyone working on the technical side of the FAQ? I think if someone
could at least just organize the ideas with help from others on the net
it would make life easier. It is a big job to keep a FAQ up to date, but
maybe we could do it as a group project. I can contribute what I know, but
I am very busy in organizing the Adult Skaters Forum for ice and am chairing
the USFSA adult skating committee that my time is very limited. So I would 
not want to spread myself too thin. Besides my ice expertise is in 
the artistic, as opposed to hockey, so maybe we need several FAQs.






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From: togata@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Thomas V. Ogata)
Subject: Re: How to sharpen skates ??
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:39:06 GMT


THOMAS SULLIVAN - Please re-send me your mail message !

(It accidentally got deleted.)

Tom Ogata
togata@lmsc.lockheed.com

p.s.  I have a list of local (San Jose / Bay area) places to get skates
sharpened.  I can mail if anyone needs them. Thanks to all who replied !
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: CoolBlades
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:21:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: kcantrel@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of 11 Dec 92 21:51:17 GMT


In article <1992Dec11.215117.15185@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcantrel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken  Cantrell) writes:

   I've heard a lot about SwitchIts and Aeroblades recently, but nobody ever
   mentions CoolBlades.  I've got a pair, and I'm curious why noone seems to
   care for them.  I think that they are MOST cool.  What's the general
   consenus on them?

I like 'em.  I thought about getting Lightnings or something, but got the
Coolblades because the fit was significantly better.  I love buckles instead
of laces, too.  I can't wait for the hot weather, when the "cool" part will
really pay off!

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From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: How to sharpen skates ??
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:48:02 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <1992Dec10.212745.12906@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, togata@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Thomas V. Ogata) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> I'm looking for books, video, or people that can help me on learning how
|> to sharpen hockey skates.  In particular, how does one radius a skate?
|> I've been taking my skates to the local rinks and they've been flattening
|> out the blade making it harder for me to turn and cut.  Unless I can find
|> someone who can do I good job, I was thinking about sharpening my own.
|> 
|> 

I've had good sharpenings from Power Play Hockey on El Camino in Sunnyvale.
The owner plays hockey and is quite knowledgeable.  He does my skates and
both my kids' skates.  The cost is $5 per sharpening, and usually he'll do
them while you wait.  He has a card you can buy which gives you 5 sharpenings
for $15, which is a bargain.  He also does rivetting, for $0.75 to $1 per
rivet.

It's on El Camino, near Fairoaks, in Sunnyvale.

-- 
Alan Hepburn           "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know
National Semiconductor       what you have just found out."
Santa Clara, Ca              
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
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