HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg)
Subject: Re: nude in maui
Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail.  Playa del Rey, CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:52:04 GMT

In article <LZF8RB8w165w@netlink.cts.com> susan@netlink.cts.com (Susan Atrix) writes:
>I was over in Maui and visited Little Makena Beach. 
>My tour book said that in the past that nudists had
>been arrested there. 
>
>I didn't see any police. Has anyone heard of any trouble there?

No problems lately :-)))

They campaigned for the incumbent mayors opponent, the encumbent (VERY
corrupt type) went out on his A**, and the new mayor made peace with
the Little Beach users.
-- 
                
Rich Greenberg - N6LRT - 310-649-0238 - richg@hatch.socal.com
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: TV Shows airing nudity
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:09:48 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA


In article <1992Oct12.163110.15218@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mvsaf1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (steve-o) writes:
>	Did anyone happend to see that Shaka Zulu (sp?) was on TNT last week. Itran for a few days and had the standard disclaimer after each commercial warning
>that it contained nudity that may be offensive to some viewers.  

  I saw it when it was on a year or two ago when I still watched TV.

  It showed bare breasts of many of the female characters, including
  major characters with important speaking roles.  The "catch"
  is that they were all black.  I swear to God they would never
  have done it if these women were white.   It's like the TV
  dramatization of Paul Gauguin's life on ABC a year earlier.
  Nude women, but Polynesian, of course.   It's incredible that
  in the 1990's there still exists this racist double-standard
  on American TV.   Why don't they just play Amos'n'Andy reruns?


---peter
From: wwheeler@news.cecer.army.mil (Wes Wheeler)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: health clubs and puppy dogs
Keywords: weight-training health club
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:43:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw2uw9.6EA
Reply-To: wwheeler@max.cecer.army.mil
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs

Just a brief follow-up and clarification, with the one exception, we
didn't mind the "puppy dogs" at all; matter of fact we met a number
of nice people that way...

I brought this up because its something that I havn't noticed outside
in our other social situations...
-- 
"And when the band you're in starts playing different tunes, I'll see you on 
the Dark Side of the Moon."

		- Mr. Floyd
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: interesting email
Summary: I won't tolerate it.
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:52:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

I got some interesting email recently.  I don't really have a point in
posting it, maybe its food for thought, maybe its good for a laugh.

[anonymous email quote:]
*>	"As long as you and others like you take an intolerant
*> attitude, you will not get support from the non-nudist people
*> who support your cause because they want to be tolerant."

Translated: "If there is anything I can't tolerate its intolerance."


-- 
"These are difficult times for our country, and in searching for the causes
of our social ills, we could chose to blame the media, or the congress, or
an administration that's been in power for 12 years, or we could blame me."
							Murphy Brown
From: Byteangel@f583.n107.z1.ieee.org (Byteangel)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: RE: DOOGIE HOWSER M.D.
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:56:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.16992.2ADC00C6
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/583 - Starship ][, Lyndhurst NJ

Well, we in Europe have known that nudity doesn't hurt for years now.   "Well,
aren't we superior....."
Aaahhh, here we go again.......
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From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Art Modeling
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:27:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: bradley.1992Oct8.172713.2409
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

In <1aqdv8INNjhu@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:

>In article <1992Oct5.144347.14960@bradley.bradley.edu> larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) writes:
>-
>-

>Do those hiring nude models for art have specific body types they are
>looking for?  It seems to me that photographers go after specific types
>(young, firm, female) but maybe that impression is just based on what
>sells.  I am NOT much of an art afficionado.  But I am curious if they
>take all forms (fat, skinny, with muscles, without muscles, etc) when
>looking for nude art models.
   Depends on the class.  I specifically worked the anatomy classes because
   I was a) thin, b) could isolate muscle groups (I'm a dancer) and c)
   could put up with the giggles of all those stupid freshmen.

   However, it really depends on the instructor and/or artist. I think
   the word 'interesting' has more to do with it than much of anything
   else.  Now, Kim Bassinger (sp) is 'interesting' as was the Hunchback
   of N.D. so, take your chances.
>I also find it interesting that they seem to use men as subjects as well
>as women.  Would you say it is just about even or is there a preference?
   There is a preference but that is an individual artists preference.
   Why wouldn't they use men?  Does the statue of David mean anything?

   Actually, men are fairly rare in nude modeling.  I suppose there is
   a 'male ego' thang to do with one's shortcomings. =)  Hey, we get
   paid more too.
From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Beachfront U.S.A. Loses Los Angeles Lawsuit
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:22:07 GMT
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <1bc4qfINN5ub@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.) writes:
>It seems to me that any law against nudity would be unconstitutional,
>especially when based on "moral" grounds.  It seems to me that this 
>would be based on religious beliefs and would be violating the seperation
>of church and state, thus unconstitutional.
----
	Unfortunately, our current climate does not recognize that 'morality'
is just another term for 'religion'.  However, I agree with you in that
they should be regarded as synonymous.

	State imposed morality is the same as state imposed religion.  This
applies to various areas, including sex, nudity and drugs.


-wat-
--
 --- "If women really earned fifty-nine cents to the dollar for the same
 work as men, what business could compete effectively by hiring men at
 any level?"    -- Dr. Warren Farrell
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes)
Subject: Madona
Organization: WCOM Public Access Unix - Toronto
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:38:36 GMT

I just saw the so-called "banned" video from Madonna.
Big deal!!
It wasn't particularly explicit and I had to replay it in slow motion
to catch any nudity.

You can show jpeople's head's being blown off on public TV but don't 
dare show an exposed breast!

What is our problem anyway???


-- 
========================================================
Stephane Deschenes     stephane@xrtll.uucp
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
========================================================
From: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nude vs. Naked
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:19:31 GMT
Reply-To: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, marc@octel.com (Marc Lewert) says:

>Back when I was worrying about the difference between nude and naked (Websters
>aside) the best definition of the difference was as follows:
>	
>	Nude: being without covering
>	Naked: being without protection
>
>Sounds the same right?  Well, not quite.  A person can be nude without being
>naked and vice versa.  Example: to be nude is to be without clothing.  To be
>naked is to feel unprotected.  If you are fully clothed, you can still feel
>unprotected.
>
>comments?

I like your approach.

Somebody told me once that they thought "nude" sounded more civilized than
"naked." (Or rather, "nude" sounds more civilized than "NEKKID!" :) Thus, a
person posing without clothing for an artist is "nude" but a person skinny
dipping is "naked." This never really made sense to me. It depends on your
notion of civilization.

I, personally, use the terms interchangeably.
-- 
Mark Cornick <cc647@cleveland.freenet.edu>
-> If you don't read the indie-list, you should... write for info. <-
"How dare you say I'm losing my mind?" -- Circus Lupus
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: End of my thread Open Sexuality in rec.nude
Summary: Thank you!
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:46:58 GMT
Reply-To: tjw+@pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct7.040308.23310@tfs.com>, ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
> mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:

> Sorry, Marty, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
> In order for me to defend my ideas, I have to be able to say what they are,
> and clarify them. That process has been censored here.

> And don't for one damned second say that it hasn't.

I understand they "censor" such postings in rec.autos, too. ;-)

Nobody can censor you in an unmoderated newsgroup.  They can tell you that
it really doesn't belong in the newsgroup; they can put you in their kill
file and not read your postings; they can ignore you.  But you aren't
being censored.

Terry "Nude not Crude" Wood
From: wwheeler@news.cecer.army.mil (Wes Wheeler)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: e-mail response to health clubs and puppy dogs
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:12:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw6G06.7H1
Reply-To: wwheeler@max.cecer.army.mil
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs

> "I would go as far as to say that the nudist movement has room for a SIG for 
	the health conscious" 

Here's a idea for a discussion thread.  How would this work for a geographically
dispersed group of hobbyists?  I know of a travel agency and have seen
several ads for sailing charters, but what other activities would you suggest?

There's Tom's Camping Bares and I received e-mail about a naturist/scuba
group (Colorado I believe).  Any of you folks familiar with the White 
Thorn tournament?  Do you think a nude league is possible?  USVBA sanctioned???
Anybody familiar with health club franchises (would a chain be willing to
support CO nights)?

I received a great e-mail suggestion to rent a health club out one night
on a weekly or bi-weekly basis.  I've heard of the same being done with
bowling alleys.  Any other rental ideas?



-- 
"And when the band you're in starts playing different tunes, I'll see you on 
the Dark Side of the Moon."

		- Mr. Floyd
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: crash space needed
Date: 12 Oct 1992 19:46:53 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu


I am planning to attend a conference in Long Beach the week of October 19
through 23.  In order to cut costs I was wondering if anybody in the
Orange County/L.A. area might have floor space for a nudist.  I'd be
willing to stay at a non-nude household and keep my clothes on.

Please, if you can help me out with a place to sleep I would appreciate it.

Thanks.

-- 
===============================================================================
Thomas Earl Middleton		|
aka Happy Bare			| "Murph, it's Dan Quayle, forget about it."  
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu	| 			Frank Fontana
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Beachfront U.S.A. Loses Los Angeles Lawsuit
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:33:23 GMT

cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
>(P.P.S.:  I think Thursday's debate is supposed to feature questions
>from the audience.  Anyone think they could sneak in a naturist to
>ask about some of the questions raised in this thread?)

You mean like, "What would each of you do if you get
an erection at a nude beach?"

p.s. Bonus points awarded for best responses from each of 
the 3 candidates.


-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: tjr@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (thomas.j.roberts)
Subject: Re: Sunscreens -- as good as their SPF numbers? (was: Tanning
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:21:47 GMT

From article <1992Oct5.224925.26720@sol.UVic.CA>, by klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen):
> In article <*> grogono@cs.concordia.ca (Peter Grogono) writes:
>>
>>It seems to me rather unlikely that the fading ozone accounts for
>>skin cancer increases.  The most reasonable explanation that I have seen
>>is that people have placed too much trust in protective creams 
>>that have much less screening effect than they claim.
> 
> Is this the latest "conspiracy-theory",
> i.e., that 'Hawaiian Tropic' and 'Coppertone' and ...
> are paying "hush-money" to the publishers of 'Consumer Reports' et al
> to falsify the results of the scientific tests which C.R. performs?      :-)
> 
Ah. But what if the protection against skin cancer differs markedly
from the protection against sunburn? The ratings are for the amount
of sun it takes to start the skin turning pink/red. To my knowledge,
no study has ever been performed on the effectiveness of sunblock cremes
in preventing skin cancer. I suspect this would be a long and difficult 
study.

Tom Roberts	att!ihlpl!tjrob		TJROB@IHLPL.ATT.COM
From: naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: socks
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:59:08 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I have relatively sensitive feet. In clothing optional situations
is just wearing socks/socks&shoes unusual?

Randy Finder

-- 
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 the rent we pay for our room on earth" - Sir Wilfred Grenfell
Xref: sparky rec.nude:5141 misc.legal:18476
From: brahm@cco.caltech.edu (David E. Brahm)
Newsgroups: rec.nude,misc.legal
Subject: Beachfront U.S.A. Loses Los Angeles Lawsuit
Date: 10 Oct 1992 20:55:33 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu
Summary: 1974 anti-nudity ordinance upheld

Beachfront U.S.A. is a Southern CA "nudist activist organization" whose
primary purpose seems to be funding a lawsuit against the City of Los
Angeles, seeking an injunction against the City's 1974 anti-nudity
ordinance.  That ordinance not only had a direct effect on Venice Beach,
but also was copied by other local governments, incl. Los Angeles County.

From the "Free Beach News" (copied without permission):
   SAN FRANCISCO 14 Sep 92 -- The Ninth Circuit federal appellate court
today handed down its decision...  Declining to hear oral arguments, the
three-justice panel unanimously ruled against Beachfront... stating that
last year's United States Supreme Court decision in an Indiana case (Barnes
v.  Glen Theater) was "fatal" to the BFUSA lawsuit...
   When O'Brien (1968) was applied to the nude dancing girls who were the
target of the state government in Barnes, the U.S. Supreme Court found that
the makers of the Indiana statute banning public nudity did indeed have "a
substantial government interest in protecting order and morality."
Further, the Supreme Court found that the statute was "unrelated to the
suppression of free expression."  The Court specifically rejected the
notion that "restricting nudity on moral grounds [is] necessarily related
to expression."
   [The Ninth Circuit held,] "The [L.A. ordinance] is constitutionally
sound despite its 'incidental limitations' on plaintiffs' rights to free
expression and association."  ...quoting U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice
William Rehnquist: "Public nudity is the evil the state seeks to prevent,
whether or not it is combined with expressive activity."

   As Roxanne's father in _L.A._Law_ said, "This is the sad result of an
overly litigious society.  Naturally, we will appeal."

--
Staccato signals of constant information,  |  David Brahm, physicist
A loose affiliation of millionaires and    |  (brahm@cco.caltech.edu)
  billionaires and Baby ...                |---- Carpe Post Meridiem! --
These are the days of miracle and wonder,  |
And don't cry, Baby, don't cry, don't cry. |     Vote Libertarian!
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From: Pierre Ferland <XK00@music.mus.polymtl.ca>
Subject: Re: Would anonymous access here be desirable?
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:14:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.034036.3410@unislc.uucp> rod@unislc.uucp (Robert Despain) writes:
>Bill Arnett (arnett@unixg.ubc.ca) wrote:
>:
>: If anonymous postings are allowed, they should be moderated.
>: Otherwise the noise level is going to increase.
>
>Yep.  I sent e-mail to the person who offered an (automatic)
>posting service, saying that things have been going downhill fast
>enough recently without allowing misc yahoos to post with no
>responsibility.
>
>: The list, I think, should contain at *least* 3 names so that people have a
>: choice of who to trust with their identities.  If possible, one of the
>: volunteers should be a woman.
>
>I trust you, Bill, but I'm still inclined to say if we can't get
>at least one woman volunteer, sink the scheme.  Do I have to add
>a list of the stupid kinds of postings we're going to see
>otherwise?
>
>I guess I'm still undecided on the issue.  Thank you, Bill, for
>making me give some thought to the other side.
>
>Cheers, R.O.
>P.S.  Could anyone tell me what the current story/status at
>Rooster Rock State Park (Oregon) is?  E-mail's fine unless we
>need to muster support or something -- then post.
>--
>R.O. Despain                  |
>Mature Products Group         |  Internet: rod@unislc.slc.unisys.com
>(801) 594-4633                |      UUCP: ...!{sun, uunet}!unislc!rod
>.
>.
From: bthoms@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: e-mail response to health clubs and puppy dogs
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:46:51 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <Bw2xrt.6wB@news.cecer.army.mil>, wwheeler@news.cecer.army.mil (Wes Wheeler) writes:> 
>> Particularly, we were disappointed at the
>> lack of weight-training equipment at Paradise (see previous post).
> 
> I have the same complaint.  If Sunsport had that, I would probably be
> out there more regularly.
> 
>> I'd a thought there would be a lot more interest from a group of people that
>> tend to be health conscious (I know, it's an over-generalization).  While on
>> that point, why so many cigarette smokers???
> 
> Gag. So many smokers.  I think the health conscious aspect of nudism
> is basically propaganda.  They don't some to be health conscious in
> reality at all.


Sorry folks, my second attempt at this: I have to remember to sign this one
off, because my vax account name is almost meaningless, so my last message must
have looked anonymous. This subject is just too good to miss.

I have to agree with all of the above: the various clubs I've seen in NZ and
the two I belong to are full of games courts, swimming pools, even a golf
course on one, all with (mostly) enormously overweight people with cigarettes
dangling out of their mouths heaving themselves around.

The New Zealand Nudist Federation did a survey recently that confirmed that
most people joined nudist clubs for relaxation. Certainly it is the commodity
in which I indulge the most at a club. That not withstanding, it still amazes
me how little care some nudists take of themselves. I would go as far as to say
that the nudist movement has room for a SIG for the health conscious, although
a lot of us are very closeted at the clubs, because, having spent a couple of
uncomfortable hours working out at the gym in clothes, we vege out when we get
to the club and leave the games to the people who don't get any other exercise.
Live has its own little ironies.

Brent Thomson,
Waikato University
New Zealand
From: reha@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Reha Elci)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: aceptable actions? (something worse than photographers
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:42:40 GMT
Reply-To: reha@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Reha Elci)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1atbuqINNh7k@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>
>Comments?  Am I being hypocritical?  Is it wrong for me to feel damaged
>by activities which I think are likely to lead to the closure of a nude
>beach?  Am I wrong to think that public masturbation on a nude beach will
>be used by opponents of nudity to close the beach?
>

Thinking that proper behavior will not result in shutting down of a CO
beach is placing too much faith in the primitive minds of the people who
oppose it. I doubt explicit sexual behavior could be a "last drop" that will
cause the damage. Its sad that we have to depend on the tolerance of such
closed-minded people in this day and age to gain a bit of freedom.

Reha Elci
Email: elci@bugs.gs.com
From: 00pwgrice@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: another model
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:41:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Oct8.084128.10234


	I too have been a model for the local art department. (Ball State Univ)
I thought it was one of the best jobs that I had ever had, But there is this:

	I noticed when I first started working that the room was 'charged'
	with energy. I thought at the time that it was me being nervous
	about posing nude. (the only other time that I had been nude with
	a group before, we had all been nude <skinny-dip>) After I took
	my pose though, irealized that these people wouldn't look me in the
	eye. It sounds a little odd until you think about it, but the fact
	that I was nude made THEM vulnerable. Forget about shedding your 
	chains...shed your clothes!

							Phil Grice
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