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From: ssuhouns@SUMA1.RDG.AC.UK (Paul Marshall Hounslow)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dead Sidestand switch
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:01:56 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dead Sidestand switch

pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith) writes:
 
>In article <1992Jul28.230608.6745@msc.cornell.edu> lawrence@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Lawrence H. Smith,E20 Clark,56064,2726746) writes:

>>and sidestand down=kill. So you can warm up on the sidestand, if that is your
>>desire, but if you drop it into gear with the stand still down, it dies. I
>>don't make much use of this, as I am a centerstand addict. But it does work.

>Hmmm, since you mention it, it seems that riding off with the centerstand
>down would be much more dangerous than the sidestand.  Right turns could
>get you, as well as left turns.  And yet, I've _never_ seen a bike with
>a centerstand indicator or interlock.  Do Goldwings have them?  I just don't
>understand.  It's not like the Japanese to allow such an oversight.

Is this a wind-up?????  If so ignore next paragraph ;-)

Don't be silly.  When a side-stand is down it points slightly forward of
vertical, so that if it *BRUSHES* the ground, while down, it has to move past
the vertical.  This means that as it is pivoting about the other end, it's base has to move lower.  Trouble is, the ground is in the way.  Thus the only way it can move backwards, the direction that contact with the ground is pushing it, is
to move the pivot.  The pivot is attached to the bike, so the bike gets pushed
over.  You must have noticed this effect a little bit, as you have to lift the
bike up to swing the side-stand out of the way.  When the bike is upright, it
is possible (but very very stupid ;-) to ride the bike.  With a centre-stand,
unless something is very wrong, you can't ride a bike with it down.

One the subject of riding with side-stand down, Hesh got away lightly.  As I
have said in other posts, I used to be in the "you drive into each other, and
we'll come and cut you out" business.  A young lady rode off, after filling up,
with her sidestand down.  For the first mile or so, she only had right hand
bends, so she was going quite fast when she hit her first left-hander.
Unfortunatly, there was a lorry (truck to you yanks) coming the other way...
She went head first into the radiator.  Have you ever used a garlic press?
Oh, don't forget we drive on the other side of the road.



Paul

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From: dorsey@coke.ebay.sun.com (Bill Dorsey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Oil Additive Scoop (or: see Ed Hackett's n
Date: 21 Jul 1992 17:30:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 697@zx11.UUCP, joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner) writes:
>the august issue of Road Rider has a very good writeup of oil additives
>suck as slick 50 and a whole bunch of others. this is "must" reading material
>IMHO, so do what you can to get ahold of a copy. I've quoted some parts from
>the article (without permission obviously).
>
>RR got ahold of a whole bunch of these addatives and checked them out. PTFE
>treatments, zinc treatments, etc. one of the more interesting tidbits of
>information was that Dupont (inventors/makers of PTFE) issued a statement
>that said:
>
>    "Teflon is not useful as an ingredient in oil additives or oils used
>     for internal combustion engines."
>
Be careful about lumping all oil additives under the, "not useful," label.  ALL
motor oil you buy off the shelf contains additives.  In fact, probably the major
difference between different brands of motor oils is in the additives they use.

But more to the point: certain additives _are_ recognized by oil companies, auto
manufacturers, etc., to be beneficial.  Specifically, Molybdenum Disulfide has
been used extensively in the past in internal combustion engines.  It's also one
of the few additives the FAA approves (or at least, they used to) for use in
aircraft engines.

Nonetheless, I suspect that with the additive packages oil companies are putting
in oils today, adding stuff like MoS2 is going to offer little benefit.  Given its
affinity for metal, it's likely that it will reduce start up wear, but do little
else.  Still, this may be worthwhile since some estimates state that start-up wear
constitutes 90% of the wear on an engine (not just the Slick 50 advertisements,
either).

>Personal Opinion Section -------------------------------------------------
>
>if you think things like slick 50 do anything besides empty your wallet,
>you are a total sucker. I have some swampland you really need, and I'd
>be glad to sell it to you.
>
I tend to agree with you here.

- Bill Dorsey
From: edg@netcom.com (Ed Greenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Deer Claims Another; Thoughts
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:06:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul21.193407.5660@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.185535.21942@ncar.ucar.edu> jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan) writes:
>>I second this.  MagLites come in all shapes and sizes. I have a tiny
>>pocket model I carry on a keyring with my Swiss Army pocket knife
>
>makes you popular with the ladies, too, i trust :-)
>
Oh, I'll bet it does.  Ladies are always borrowing my swiss army knife.
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From: martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The rumors of my demise...
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:31:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: adpplz.1466
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR

svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
> Hey, Martin, glad to hear the Duc, er, I mean *you* are okay!  :-)

My two fondest memories of the incident will always be:

1) The way the Denizens stood by me. (When you're semiconcious and in pain,
it's very nice not to have to take charge. Bill did, mostly, I think. But
I had a concussion...)

2) Waking up in the emergency room, with all the concerned Denizens standing
around, and saying "I'm glad it was the CX and not the Duc!" and the chorus
of amens from around the gurney. David's pretty much fixed the CX (it's tough,	and parts are available, besides being cute and dependable) but I haven't seen
my Duc yet.



> |Six stitches in the back of my
> |head where my scalp was split _through_ my helmet. 

> How did that happen?  Did something pierce the helmet shell?

As far as I can tell, the flexing of the exterior and the collapse of the
foam padding permitted the skin to be pulled and tear. The helmet shows
wear, but no actual punch-through.

This is where a lesser man would wax frivolishly on the subject of
"What Would Have Happened Without A Helmet", but I'm not the type.

> Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)     
> No ratbike at the moment.  Suggestions? 

Virago. It's the classic of the genre.

Martin "It's not _my_ fault, I have a concussion" Golding |  Work to ride,
DoD #236  BMWMOA #55952  WMTC #0002                       |   ride to work,
[motcsd!]mcspdx!adpgate!martin      |  when the headaches and spinning stop.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: Jeff Benedict <raoul@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Need help/info on getting a TRIUMPH out of an old barn
Originator: bbs@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:38:59 GMT

bozek@ecs.umass.edu writes:

>      There's a Triumph Bonneville 500 circa '72 in a barn that is 
> mine for a couple days work. It's not running but it will be.

Check this out again.  If it is a 500, then it is a Daytona- a 500cc 
bike.  If it is a 750cc, then it is a Bonneville.  They are conpletely 
different bikes.  In those years and through the 60's, the AMA allowed 
OHV bikes 500cc for racing and flathead bikes (H-D) 750cc.  The Daytona 
is a hotted-up version of a bike that originated back in the 30's.  It 
was the basis for the Triumphs use for flattrack and AMA roadracing.
The Bonneville is the classic 650/750 cc Triumph that was used for 
racing, etc. after 1970 when HD came out with the XR-750 OHV race bike 
and the rules were changed (That shows the political power of HD in 
American racing.... But that is another story....)

Personal thoughts- The 500cc can be brought out to 750cc but it blows up 
a lot.  The Daytona should boogie pretty good if it restored to full 
health.  Fix it up and ride it!  When you blow it up (and you will), then 
think about hopping it up.
> 

Take care!

Jeff
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Tires: Metzler 55a vs 99a
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:43:06 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1992Jul30.143337.1644@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>
>peg-dragging with the ME88, but then as high as the FJ's pegs are, I've
>yet to drag them anyways. (Yea, I know, Bill is going to dock me some
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>squid points for admitting that in public.)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^              
er, you've got any left??

Ride Freely,

Bill
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From: asdf@Eng.Sun.COM (Glenn Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Sticker campaign
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:21:43 GMT
	<1992Jul22.204203.1816@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>
	<1992Jul22.213531.9961@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
	<1992Jul23.131757.22215@rchland.ibm.com> <1992Jul23.164301.14925@ncsu.edu>
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In-reply-to: steve@bucolix.ncsu.edu's message of 23 Jul 92 16:43:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.164301.14925@ncsu.edu> steve@bucolix.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier) wrote:

< What should the sticker say?  On the interior-view side: "Learn to Observe
< Motorcycles!", "You Endangered A Motorcyclist!", or "Start Seeing Motorcycles!"
< On the exterior-view side: "WARNING: I DRIVE BY BRAIL."  You got it folks...
< blind as a bat, and collision-prone to boot.

To the point:

"CAUTION: MY POOR DRIVING SKILLS NEARLY KILLED A MOTORCYCLIST"

Not so specific:

"CAUTION: MY POOR DRIVING SKILLS ENDANGER YOU AND OTHERS"

"ATTENTION: MY POOR DRIVING SKILLS MAKE YOUR INSURANCE COSTLIER"
From: tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Why have 2 throttle cables?
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:11:13 GMT
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

In <1992Jul16.151715.12876@bnr.ca> space@bwdlh522.bnr.ca (Scott Pace) writes:
>I want to know why some carbs need 2 throttle cables?  My mikuni carbs have
>2 cables, but they don't seem to need it, since the return spring is quite
>strong, and can close the throttle by itself on just one cable.
>
>Any one know why there are 2 cables?

yep. so the canadian kid who bought the bike in new york city (no
license or riding experience, but that's another story) and tried to
ride it back to montreal, only to have it break the "open throttle"
cable on the ramp from the new york thruway to the adirondack northway
can be totally amazed as you use your bmw toolkit to relocate the
"close throttle" cable to act as the opening cable, thereby allowing
the bike to be ridden albeit with an engine which doesn't exactly
return to idle very quickly.
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
               Wednesay, 22 July is National Ride-To-Work Day
                And I'll be stuck in a fuckin' rental cage:-{
From: laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Get your feet on the GD pegs.
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:18:12 PDT
Organization: DFWM, Inc

In article <1992Jul22.211400.28153@i88.isc.com>, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
> In article <RAIBLE.92Jul22131402@wk43.nas.nasa.gov> raible@nas.nasa.gov writes:

>>Once you realize that a light touch is no big deal, it's a lot less
>>scary when you occasionally drag the boot in a turn.
> 
> There's a difference between experimenting with something you expect to
> experience (personally, I never intend to drag a foot on the ground)
> and dragging your feet because you have no self confidence in your ability
> to control the machine at low speed.

and then there are those of us who couldn't drag a foot if they
wanted to :-)  they don't go down that far.

-- laurie
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Subject: Re: Dead Sidestand switch
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:54:59 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <Bs4JL5.E9M@cup.hp.com> hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner) writes:

>if ya'll don't believe that sidestand cutoff switches
>are useful devices, go get the battlestar "before and
>after" gifs from cerritos.edu and see what can happen
>when someone rides with the sidestand down.

>i'd rather have the irritation of the switch being flakey
>than have 800 lbs. of aspencade bounce on top of me.


>-- hesh

Well, to each their own....and if it works for you, then it is worth having.
None of my scoots have it, and I wouldn't want it.
When I start up, I have a routine. It is automatic...I don't even think about
it anymore: mount bike, kick sidestand back, put trans in nuetral, open
petcock and pull choke, crack throttle 3 or 4 times, set run switch to "run",
hit starter....engine starts- reset choke to "open", kick it in gear, and
ride.....

Same with shutdown....I don't even think about it.

The only drawback I've found is I don't remember shutting the petcock, so I'm
constantly going back to verify.

On another note, a friend filled his tank at a station one time, capped it,
got off, and proceeded in to pay....he got a few steps and heard a big crash,
only to turn around to see his grinder lying on it's side.
He FORGOT to put the kickstand DOWN!!!!
Probably because he was accustomed to having a indicator tell him to. Don't
know this for sure though. I didn't ask because I was laughing so hard I
forgot to ask!

For me, the "routine" method is best. For others, maybe not.

Matthew

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bmyers@meaddata.com (Bob Myers)
Subject: Sportster rear suspension help request
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:10:25 GMT
Distribution: na

My '81 Sportster has now broken both rear turn signals (the chrome bulb,
not the support) and both saddlebag supports (just below the bolt
attachment.)  All parts were put on by me, and were fine for two to
three weeks.  They were also all Custom Chrome equipment.

The turn signals are known to have broken on the road - I left the house
with them okay, and got to my destination with them broken.  No
passenger to kick 'em.  The saddlebag supports only supported my jacket
and occassional light loads - the bags are leather.  God (and any
following cagers) only know when they broke off.

I know I've got something on the order of a vibration problem, but I
can't imagine what it is.  Vibration through the seat seems normal, and
the engine/tranny/chain are all fine (tuned/lubed/replaced this spring.)
The rear fender bolts are all tight, and aligned properly.

Any help/clues would be appreciated.  I'm getting tired of financing my
parts supplier's restoration of his WWII Army bike.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: FAQ list
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 30 Jul 92 11:27:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059


-> collected, not one FAQ list appears. By now, I have read (most of)
-> the 600 messages, and no, no FAQ list appears.

 Oh, that explains it.  That's roughly four days' worth of messages, and
the FAQ is posted only once a month, probably because its keeper is
lowly biker scum, too lazy to post it every day like he should.
                                   
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rich@gtsi.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: New Bike Financing Advice Sought.
Organization: Government Technology Services, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:44:15 GMT

In article <76766@ut-emx.uucp> noah@astro.as.utexas.edu (Noah Smith) writes:
>
>	Here are the facts:
>
>	1) The dealership financing is 10% down, 15.99% interest.

This is actually not too bad. Rates of 22% are not uncommon today.

>	2) Few banks have new motorcycle loans. Those that do will lend
>	   75% of the sale price (up to 100% with approval). Payment
>	   over 36 months. All have been at around 13% interest,
>	   except one (Bank One) at 8.5!!!

'Bout right (13%). 8.5 is bullshit - the bank wouldn't make any money.
>
>	3) Many banks offer "unsecured personal loans". They may
>	   have slightly higher interest rates (?) But the loan
>	   could be for an arbitrary amount.

Yep. The alternative is the "secured loan" which basically requires that
you have the money in the first place (never figured that one out). Note
that the arbitrary amount has a cap equal to your credit rating, of course.
>
>	1) What is a "good" interest rate. The rate at 8.5% varies
>	   weekly and may not be indicative of a good deal.

Stay AWAY from variable rates unless you are a) an economist and b) an
accountant. As I pointed out, anything below 15% is not astronomical these
days. However, if you happen to make loads of money (say, >$60K ) and have
a long credit history (house, car payments) you can afford to be choosey. If
you don't have these things, then you can't.

>	2) Is there an advantage to a "new motorcyle loan" relative
>	   to some other type ("unsecured personal", ???).

Not really.
>		
>	4) In your experience, WHAT WHOULD I DO???

Check with your employer first to see if they have a credit union. Almost
always one of the services will be a signature loan (you sign, you get the 
bucks). They are the most flexible in terms, you can often set the time
frame yourself. Percentages in the 9-11% range. If not your employer, you 
may qualify in a variety of ways for a open market credit union (previous 
military experience, etc).
>
>	Thanks in advance. noah@astro.as.utexas.edu

In the interests of saving bandwidth, I'm also mailing you my "new bike
buyers guide" for things to look out for when buying a new bike. I posted
it a while ago.


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From: patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery)
Subject: Re: Blistered Buns: Why Lance Holst is a Jerk
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:03:29 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <18594@drutx.ATT.COM> pms@druhi.ATT.COM wrote:
> In article <1992Jul22.204143.26789@microsoft.com> patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery) writes:
> >
> >This whole burning Aerostitch issue brings up another point.  In the last MCyclist, 
> >when we last left our fearless crew, many editors named the Aerostitch as a
> >good thing to own, but in all the mag pictures I still haven't seen one.
> 
> In the past 6-8 months there have been 3 Aerostich suits _on the cover_ of
> _Motorcyclist_.  One cover had 2 different people in them.

See what I get for opening my un-double-checked mouth.

 
> >I'm still trying to decide if rider would look goofy riding a Ducati 907 and
> >wearing an Aerostitch.
> 
> Goofy compared to what, shorts and sunglasses?

Full leathers.  Black.
             ==================================================
            // Pat Loughery [Patlo@Microsoft.com] Seattle, WA \\
+===========//'91 Nighthawk CB750 || DoD #393, AMA #639366, VME \\==========+
|Evaluating for post-Jan purchase: Duc 907ie; HD FXRT & FLHS; Triumph Trophy|
+===========================================================================+
|   "It felt great to be starting another long ride; the 9-to-5 world       |
|   could go to hell for a few days while my machine and I rolled across    |
|   the planet."   - Phil Stone, DoD #95                                    |
+===========================================================================+
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From: wolf@mt.att.com (Thomas Wolf)
Subject: Re: 85 Nighthawk 650S Recomendation sought
Reply-To: wolf@mt.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:55:49 GMT

"> "Answer 3)  Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the engines were different. 
"> "Not merely "bored out" and I believe the 700 was a 5 speed where the 650
"> "was a 6-speed.  Also, if I'm not mistaken, the 700 is a chain drive vs a
"> "shaftie for the 650.  The 700 was trying to compete with other 700's that
"> "were chain drive.  Maybe Honda thought shaft drives cost too much to justify
"> "against other vendors' offerings.  The 5-speed gearing on the 700 accounted
"> "for the "around 4300-4500 rpm at 60mph" vs the 3950 rpm of the 650.  
"> "Ergonomically, I believe the 700 is slightly bigger with a longer
"> "seat.  I remember Cycle doing a comparison so check your library.  

To me, the engines looked identical (aside from the difference in color/cc's.)
The 700 was/is NOT a 5-speed it's 6-speed just like the 650.
The 700 was/is NOT chain-drive.  It has a shaft, just like the 650.  It did
rev higher than the 650, though.

You wanted to be corrected :-)

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From: jyri@faline.bellcore.com (Jyri Virkki)
Subject: DoD population?
Reply-To: jyri@faline.bellcore.com (Jyri Virkki)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Distribution: bcr
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:57:02 GMT


Couldn't help but notice four bikes outside this morning, so the obvious
question comes to my mind... any DoD people around here?

Now I only have to pray the distribution actually works, and won't spread
this all around the world...

Jyri

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