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From: mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous)
Subject: Re: 3.50, 4.50, and 5.50
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:14:03 GMT

IWS%ssmic@cdfq.ssd.ray.com writes:

>In an article far, far, away, someone mentions :-) that they saw the 
>Dead at the Fillmore East and tickets were 3.50, 4.50, and 5.50.

>A subway ride was then 20 cents.

>A subway ride now is about 6 times as much.  About 6 times 5.50 is 
>roughly the current ticket price.

>Looks like ticket prices are still the same, relatively speaking...

I can top this.

Any old-timers out there from The Apple remember the Schaeffer Music
Series every summer in the old Wollman Skating Rink? 

Shows all summer long. I remember seeing in the span of one week
three separate shows: Jeff Beck (the original band w/Rod Stewart);
Ten Years After (2nd on the bill: Spencer Davis Group -- post Stevie
Winwood); and then Led Zeppelin.

Ticket prices? The expensive seats were $1.50; the seats in the back
in a separate raised area were $1.00.

I saw many a *great* show in over the years there: Grape, Who (they smashed
their instruments in My Generation), Jethro Tull, Butterfield...ohh the
list goes on and on. I rememeber the aformentioned Beck show as being
really excellent -- a perfect night, everyone in a great mood.

Don't recall if The Dead ever played in the Schaeffer series, though.
Anyone know?

---Mark
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From: belli@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack Belli)
Subject: Re: Train Lyrics
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:47:04 GMT

            



           Might As Well
From: gaile@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (Gail Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re:  GDTS  How does it work?
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:37:42 GMT
Organization: The Internet

In article <1992Jul21.001849.729@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> sjeck@isi.com writes:
>wombat@evelyn.nsc.com (Gregory P. Collins) writes:
>|jumped for joy: section 102, row BB, seats 8&9. For those of you not familiar
>|with shoreline thats SECOND ROW CENTER!! (Sorry, don't mean to gloat
>|but I have to tell somebody. :) 
>
>Sorry, but that's not second row in Section 102.
>
>BBB (1st)
>CCC (2nd)
>AA  (3rd)
>BB  (4th)

I understand 4th row is preferable to 2nd, because in the 2nd row you
get a stiff neck from looking up at the stage.  Anyone want to get rid
of those awful 2nd row tix, let me know :-)
From: rand@smartstar.com (Rand McKinney)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Merl Saunders after JGB in Ventura - Friday
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:00:04 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: SmartStar Corp. / Signal Technolgy Inc.

If you are looking for something to do after the Jerry show in Ventura
this Friday (7/31), Merl Saunders and the Rainforest Band are playing
shows Friday and Saturday night at the Brewhouse Pub in Santa Barbara.

Tickets are $6 at the door. Avocado Sundae opens at 10pm, Merl starts
around 11, they said.  Since Jerry starts at 7, it should be easy to
catch both shows, *IF* they don't sell out too quickly.
The Brewhouse is a nice little brew-pub in downtown Santa Barbara 
(across from the train station). It's about a 30 min. drive from the 
Ventura Fairgrounds (if no traffic delays).  E-mail if you want directions.

All you LA heads are invited to come on up and party after the show!!!
There are tons of hotels & motels in the area, but unfortunately they
are somewhat pricey.  Lotsa nice B&Bs too, that are really a better value.

--Rand

"Paradise waits on the crest of a wave, her angels in flame..."
From: jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Do all dead shows sell out?
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:28:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Not much this morning...:-}

David Kempster asks on Buckeye Lake...
>What is the story on this. They announced on the radio several hours before the
>show started that it was sold out. Was this just because they expected to sell 
>out with the people already on the lots? They also announced after the event 
>that it had been sold out.

That's news to me! The ticket office *was* selling ticket up until showtime
(or at least until I entered the venue among the trampling idiots).  However,
there were still the usual miracle ticket seeking losers who insisted on
a free ride.  If only there was a peaceful way to get rid of them once
and for all...


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From: rcbi105@muvms3.bitnet (Matt Leary)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Some random questions....
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:34:13 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

In article <3293@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.172344.24008@nic.umass.edu> s3583045@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John Greene) writes:
>>>2)  Why did Donna Godshaux leave the band??
>>They kicked her out because she couldn't sing (basically)
> 
> 	Oh, horseshit.

I have to say this but I agree that they kick her out because she couldn't
Sing.  All that moaning that I hear on the tapes with her on it, I just want
kick my tape player.  Not true of course but it would not suprise me a bit.

Matt

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From: ceo@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Chip Olson)
Subject: Re: You're gonna need one big chickadee ...
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:54:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.141837.6088@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> BRUGGINK@ccc.nersc.gov writes:

>eagle sez:
>
>|Y'all got eagles on the East Coast?  Southern California?  Them
>|pesticide infested corn fields in the Midwest?  Y'all ain't even got
>|enough raptors to shove up a chickadee's ass in the midwest anymore.
>
>
>I counted 24 bald eagles one January afternoon along the Wisconsin river;
>w/o really trying it's nowhere near impossible to spot at least a half dozen
>any winter morning.

We've got a number of nesting pairs around the Quabbin Reservoir in central
Mass... yum yum, eagle shit in my drinking water :-)  Also spotted one 
on Star Island off the NH coast a few summers back. 

I agree with Eagle about crowds... but y'all ought to check out some of the
backcountry in this neck of the woods sometime; most of New England is pretty
empty and truly bloody gorgeous.


--
-Chip Olson. | ceo@silver.lcs.mit.edu | ceo@gnu.ai.mit.edu 
"PROUD SPONSORS OF THOSE WHO CARRY THE TORCH"  -banner on US Post Office
across from burned-out block of stores in south-central LA.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Doug Griffiths <sun330!tyco!s5udtg@uunet.uu.net>
Subject: VENETA TIX ARRIVE
Reply-To: sun330!tyco!s5udtg@uunet.uu.net
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:12:58 GMT


Yeah! Ready to go!  Now, I heard last week someone asking
about a net.gathering - anything come of this?  Anyone been 
there?  I said that my friend went ther last week to check the
venue out, and could give us some ideas, but I'd rather not
use second-hand info...

                  
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 | Fannie Mae	  | uunet: uunet!almserv!s5udtg | Fairfax, VA. USA    |
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Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:48:33 -0400 
From: Kenneth Murphy <km0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Keyboard Opinion

Hi,
In my opinion:  
Based on 15 years of seeing the Dead, many shows,
but I never saw Keith and Donna that my all time
favorite keyboard player for emotion and technical skill
was 

Brent Mydland (Sp?)

Second Fav:

Tom Constantan (Sp?)

Ken



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"One Man Gathers What Another Man Spills"
  -Robert Hunter
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From: burnett@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gary Burnett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: the perennial subject of donna and keith
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:30:43 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <3344@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:

> In article <1992Jul29.142907.14304@nic.umass.edu> s3583045@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John Greene) writes:
> >Let's all respect each other's "OPINIONS", shall we?

> 	Even when the other guy's ***WRONG*** ????

Bravo, wharfie.  Especially when the other guy -- the guy being flamed
-- has on several occasions claimed that his ... um ... "OPINIONS" are
the objective truth, & that anyone who disagrees with him (i.e. almost
everybody on r.m.gd, since he thinks that the Dead have not had a
single decent show since circa 1977, & maybe even 1970) is (and I
quote) "clueless."

And I might even point out that on the very same day that he trashed
1973-1974 Dead shows on r.m.gd, Mark (aka "the guy being flamed")
posted something on tapeheads grovelling for a number of tapes
from those years.  No doubt so that he could complain some more
about the sound quality of said tapes as well as Keith's (and
Jerry's) playing.

I'm with wharfie on this one.  The other guy's ***WRONG*** !!!!

--Gary B.
-- 
Gary Burnett                             burnett@gandalf.rutgers.edu 
130 Columbia Street                      gburnett@zodiac.rutgers.edu   
Highland Park, NJ  08904                          jera@well.sf.ca.us

"Things then did not delay in turning curious."  --Thomas Pynchon
From: geoff@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Geoff Wells)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: In defense of the Gores
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:03:10 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.

In article <SOWA.92Jul22102248@netcom.com> sowa@netcom.com (Erik Sowa) writes:

>>>>>> "Jordan" == Jordan Schwartz <ST702459@brownvm.brown.edu> writes:

>Jordan> Eric Sewa: Do you honestly believe you have the *right* to yell
>Jordan> obscenities at passerbys? I doubt it. Thus, "free speech" is not
>Jordan> an absolute right (the presence of exceptions being proven).

>Yeah, as a matter of fact I do, although I think in most cases it would
>be irresponsible to do so. If I made a habit of doing that, nobody would
>listen to me when I had something to say that I felt was important. But
>here's the rub: I'm not going to try to stifle somebody because what
>they want to say is, IMHO, stupid or offensive. I say, get stupid and/or
>offensive ideas out in the open where they can be debunked! Ban 'em, and
>they fester in the dark. Free speech *is* an absolute right.

>-- 
>Erik Sowa (sowa@netcom.com)

For all of you out there that care, here is the full text of the First
Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

  Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
  prohibiting the free exercise therof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
  or the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to 
  petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

This is the absolute law of the land, and remember, we are a nation of laws
not men! (sorry, no sexism intended)

 So There!!  Now get back to the music.......

Geoff Wells

geoff@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
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From: df@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (Dave)
Subject: Re: Train Lyrics
Organization: The Garden State
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:10:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.174339.21041@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> 7039P@navpgs.bitnet writes:
> First thing I remember knowin' was that lonesome whistle blowin'...
>                        DRIVE YOUR TRAIN!!!
>  Blow your whistle freight train, take me far on down the track...
>          The monkey's got the locomotive under control!
>         Like a steam locomotive, rollin' down the track...
>               CAUTION - DO NOT STOP ON THE TRACKS
>             Thought I heard that K.C. whistle blow

Wish I was a headlight on a northbound train (cover tunes ok?)
Driving that train, high on cocaine
Terrapin: At a Siding (if you can use Caution, this counts too ;-))
Tons of Steel (is this a truck or a train, it's been a long time
since I've heard it)

I'm sure there are more...
-- 
 Dave Fischer   att!hou2h!davef   or   davef@hou2h.ATT.COM
"You have left the New Jersey Turnpike.  Obey local speed laws."
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From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Probability & Statistics
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:57:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.101549.27662@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Frederick.A.Ringwald@dartmouth.edu (Frederick A. Ringwald) writes:
>You often hear that the Dead have never repeated a set. How does anyone
>know? Has anyone ever checked? What do you think the chances are of
>them ever repeating a set? That you're all using computers to read this
>makes these problems more interesting. 
>
DEADBASE has a list of sets that are ALMOST identical, but claims none
ever have been identical. It wouldnt surprise me if back in the early early
days (65-66) they did repeat a set like Sittin on Top->Dark Star->St. Steve,
but who knows?


>
>Most interestingly, how does the band know? If they are on the verge of
>repeating a set, does someone chime in, "no, we played that set in
>1974"? Or is their repertoire so large they never get close?

Well, if you look at set lists from 1974, youd know theres know way they
would repeat that set in the 80s or 90s. I mean, from memory, i have a 74
first set thats something like
Half Step, Black Throated, Tennesee Jed, Promised Land, Scarlet Begonias,
Money Money, Loose Lucy, China->Ryder. Not likely to do a first set like 
that these days.

and a second set:
Weather Report Suite->Jam->Other One->Jam->Stella Blue, Eyes

well, these arent exact, but they give you the flavor of 74 sets, quite
different from today.

I could see this set being repeated in the 80s:
China->Rider, Playin->Uncle Johns->Playin, D/S->Wheel, Miracle,Stella
Lovelight

but who knows??

-r
From: andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: dogma
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:58:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Your dogma bit my karma in the bumper.

-- 

Andrew Rose
andyrose@netcom.com
FAX 4155537756
From: 7039P@navpgs.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Train Lyrics
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:43:39 GMT
Reply-To: 7039P@navpgs.bitnet
Organization: The Internet

Hey all,

I'm collecting Dead references to trains.  Which ones have I missed?

  ,OOOOOOOO00000
 o   ____         :::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::: __|-----|__
 Y_,_|()| --+++++ |()()()()()()()| |()()()()()()()| |  () ()  |
{|_|_|__|;|_____|;|______________|;|______________|;|_________|;
 /oo--OO   oo oo   oo oo    oo oo   oo oo    oo oo   oo     oo

 First thing I remember knowin' was that lonesome whistle blowin'...
                        DRIVE YOUR TRAIN!!!
  Blow your whistle freight train, take me far on down the track...
          The monkey's got the locomotive under control!
         Like a steam locomotive, rollin' down the track...
               CAUTION - DO NOT STOP ON THE TRACKS
             Thought I heard that K.C. whistle blow

I'm not interested in multiple references within the same song... and
for you bandwidth-conscious heads, I promise not to use the choo-choo
as part of a sig-file  :-)

Thanks,

Emil T. Petruncio  BITNET: 7039p@navpgs  INTERNET: 7039p@cc.nps.navy.mil
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From: df@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (Dave)
Subject: Ticket Arrival Posts (was CapCtr return....)
Organization: The Garden State
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:52:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.015000.6357@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bs810@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (D. Eric Nay) writes:
>	First, I'd like to humbly disagree with Dave Fischer, what with
>the tons of tangential and re-hash posts we see here, seems to me that a few
>m.o. arrival notices aren't a bad thing, they can be interesting and infor-
>mative, and usually relevant, even if only to varying segments of the group.
>Anyway, MHO, hopefully no hard feelings, here's my story:

No, no hard feelings.  It seems that some people find value in
those posts.  Personally, I don't see it, and I know from other
email and discussions that others don't either.  Maybe it's time
to bring back the idea of subdividing rmg to
r.m.g.ticket.arrivals, r.m.g.bash.donna, r.m.g.net.rap, etc.

Well, I'm outa here in 3 weeks anyway.  The group sure has changed
in the 5 years I've been here.  Alot bigger, and more varied for
sure.  I guess that means more opinions to voice and more articles
every day.  But I would hope that the signal to noise ratio should
stay pretty much stable.
I'm back to school full time this fall, will probably be set up
with an account within a month or so, I'll check back then ;-)

-- 
 Dave Fischer   att!hou2h!davef   or   davef@hou2h.ATT.COM
"You have left the New Jersey Turnpike.  Obey local speed laws."
From: sjeck@isi.com (Steve -- The Other One)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re:   Request for Las Vegas Steve Miller song titles...
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:03:04 GMT
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet


 charles@phx.mcd.mot.com (Charles Wolff) asks:

        While I'm at it: did any of the tapers on the Net send copies
        of the Sunday SMB show to Steve Miller, per his request???  I've
        made a copy, and if I don't hear from anybody I'll mail it off
        this week...  

I sent Stevie tapes before I sent them to you guys.  seemed like
he deserved them more....ooonnooo!  i made a moral judgement!

steve
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From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: East Coast Motivation- (War Story)
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:46:30 GMT

In article <3309@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>
>	Hey eagle, where do you think them birds is during the winter?  Hmmm?
>The answer is 'bout twenty miles north of here, near Marble Falls.  'Course,
>we ain't got that much corn here.  Mostly cotton, oil, 'n  cows...  One
>of the most encouraging things I've seen in the last 20 years is the return
>of the birds, all birds, not just the raptors.
>

Ahh! Marble Falls is more like North West of Austin, if you go North
you'll end up in Killeen, or waco in Waco:-) Talkin' 'bout my home
ground there.
>	And I never much liked Wyoming, either.  Just as dry as Texas and
>a hell of a lot colder.  Actually, our plans are 40 acres in the Blue Ridge
>and an organic goat farm, but we'll see.  Mean time I'm one of those poor
>citified bozos...  Thus is the Tao maintained.
>

And according to all the folks back home texas is far from dry this
year. And if you want to raise goat no place better than "The Devil
Backbone" or LLano. Ahh! Life on the Colorado River the only thing
I miss here in New Mexico.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: whh@milton.u.washington.edu (William Hanot)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: the perennial subject of donna and keith
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:37:58 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


As a keyboard player myself, I can't allow Keith to be blamed for the
"dominance of piano in the mix" in '73 and '74, or any other year's soundboard
tapes for that matter.  Healy (or any soundman) mixes the board sends for the
best sound from the PA, not for a soundboard tape.  As the guitar players are
generally by far the loudest on stage with sound from their amps, the keyboards,
bass and vocals are many times predominant in the mix on a board tape.

This applies to venues where the stage sound contributes significantly to the
sound in the venue.  With today's monitorless setup, I'll bet the soundboard
tapes are the most balanced yet (unfortunately I haven't had a chance to hear
any, hint hint).

The bands I've played in have always complained about loud keyboards on the
board tapes, but until the guitar players turn down on stage, that's what
they're  going to get!  

Bill

P.S.  It is also (or at least used to be) common practice for opening bands
to get shafted in terms of care given the mix, and adequate volume.  The
headliners can avoid unfavorable comparisons to their opening acts if they
ensure that they sound much better.  It sucks for the audience and the 
opening act, but that's life...
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From: "Greg J. Pryzby" <gjp@virtech.vti.com>
Subject: Bumper Sticker (...Grateful When They're Dead...)
Reply-To: gjp@virtech.vti.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:30:47 GMT

Gee, finally a question that is obscure enough that I may be the only
answer posted to the net!

In a previous message someone said they saw a bumper sticker:
I'll be Grateful When they're Dead

Well, it is a quote from a song by the Teen Idles from Washington DC. They
group is from the late 70s or early 80s. Teen Idles was Ian MacKay (sp) first
band. He is currently with Fugazi and formerly Minor Threat.

Anyway, the song is anti-dead. As far as the question of why, Ian is the
leader of straight-edge in Washington DC. Straight edge is no sex, no drugs,
no alcohol. And yes I know alcohol is a drug.

Anyway, some of the above statements about Ian are questionable. It depends
on if you believe Ian or his enemies.

One good thing Ian did was start and Indie label (Discord) that has refused
to sell-out or be bought out. He also requires that all of Fugazi's shows
are general admission and not cost more than $5 (this was in 90). 

-- 
Greg Pryzby                                               uunet!virtech!gjp
Virtual Technologies, Inc.                                gjp@vti.com
Sterling, Virginia
Herbivores ate well cause their food didn't never run. -- Jonathan Fishman
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