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From: jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Movie
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:00:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxM4KE.FL9
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl (Phil Isherwood) writes:

>In article 50A@ucunix.san.uc.edu, spenceb@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Brad A. Spencer) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov10.204651.16058@wam.umd.edu> pjaffe@next12csc.wam.umd.edu (Paul I. Jaffe) writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov10.113817.298@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu  
>>>writes:
>>>> In article <BxHA3H.D39@news.orst.edu>, schatzj@WTFD.ORST.EDU (Jeremy  
>>>Schatz) writes:
>>>> >     This is my first time posting her , so please excuse any mistakes.
>>>> >     
>>>> >     I was wondering what was going on with the Dr  movie that is being
>>>> >     produced in America. Is this still happening? And does anyone know  
>>>when
>>>> >     it will be released.
>>>> >     
>>>> > 	 Thank You e
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> God, I hope not!  
>>>> 
>>>> My cousin found and bought a pirate copy of the script for this proposed
>>>> movie and I read some of it.  I had to stop about a third of the way in
>>>> because I couldn't stand it anymore.
>>>> 
>>>
>>>Actually, it sounds kind of interesting. Where did you get that script? I  
>>>would like to see it.
>>
>>Just for general information.  I saw a copy of a Dr. Who movie script
>>at a Star Trek convention.  I didn't get it as it was a bit on the
>>expensive side.  I assume that it was a pirate copy.

>I saw a synopsis of this script in one of the UK fanzines (can't remember which one) about a year ago. Call me picky, but after reading it I was glad that the film hadn't been made. In my opinion, and I would like to stress that it is my opinion alone, it was complete and utter drivel, bearing very little relation to the Docter Who concept that we all know and love.

>The fanzine may have been "DWB" or "Vision".

  THE ARTICLE WAS PRINTED IN DWB AND IN MY OPINION, JUDGING BY PREVIOUS DWB
  ARTICLES, THE WHOLE THING WAS MANAFACTURED, ie not the real script.
  DWB HAS A REPUTATION FOR MAKING THINGS UP AND REGARDING ITSELF TO BE THE 
  HIGHEST AUTHORITY ON DOCTOR WHO IN THE WORLD, WHICH IS VERY SAD INDEED.
    DONT BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ, IT IS JUST SOME SO CALLED FAN WRITING A SCRIPT
    FOR THE HELL OF IT.
    JEEZ.

>Phil Isherwood
>pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: sarah@micom.com (Sarah Menolly/K.J. Montgomery)
Subject: Re: Dr who anyone?       
Summary: So it's Saturday...
Organization: Micom Communications Corp., Simi Valley, Ca.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:18:03 GMT

In article <gate.gsBuTB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> prisoner@infopls.chi.il.us (Pat Mondi) writes:
> -=> Quoting Stephen Gilmour to All <=-
>
> SG> I saw a show on tv today called "Dr Who". It was really good.....
> SG> anyone know anything about it? 
> SG> S Gilmour
>
>	Hiya Steve! Sure, we know about Doctor Who! Ask me a specific question,
>I'll give you a specific answer! But in the meantime, keep watchin'! Enjoy 
>it, it's a very imaginitive programme. 
>
>			See ya!
>			Timelord Pat
>
>... Who is the most popular Doctor on television? You are correct!
                ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
Quincy!


Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: drwho@iastate.edu (Greg Bentley)
Subject: Re: What this sleepy group needs is a TOP TEN LIST
Keywords: I wonder what Romana and Dave would say?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:13:18 GMT

timelord@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey JACOBS) writes:

>The title should have been:

>	Top Ten Reasons The Doctor And Ace Didn't run for

>		President of the United States.

Because neither of them are native born Americans?  Sorry, had to say it;
actually I kinda liked the list.

             Greg Bentley              drwho@iastate.edu
From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: daemons.
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:38:48 EST

Graeme Nattress wrote:
---------------------

-> There is an article in the New Radio Times about the colourisation of
-> the Daemons ....

 Would anyone that has a copy of that article be ambitious enough to
type up a copy for this newsgroup?
 Yes, I know that that is asking alot.

Regards,
Dale Clayton
-----------------------
dale.clayton@canrem.com
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: colin years
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:48:55 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: rec
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Nov11.4153.13988@dosgate> "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com> writes:
<If the "Missing Season" is ever released the way Shada was recently, it
<might give more continuity to poor old Colin's Doctor.  He never had a
<chance.  I recall Colin saying they'd heave to tear him out of the role
<kicking and screaming, back when he first got it.

How the Hell is the "missing season" going to be released when there isn't inch
of tape or film made of that season?
-- 
      harvard\                          spool.cs.wisc.edu!astroatc!vidiot!brown
Vidiot  ucbvax!uwvax..........!astroatc!vidiot!brown
      rutgers/            INTERNET:vidiot!brown%astroatc.UUCP@spool.cs.wisc.edu
                                   brown@wi.extrel.com
From: timelord@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey JACOBS)
Subject: Re: Quizze 9 results and now Quizze 10 - Yeah right!
Summary: But. . .
Keywords: I'm feeling perticularly devilish.
Organization: The Query Master Syndicate.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:45:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.121221.8403@iscsvax.uni.edu> morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>And now time for the real answers - NOT!!!!
>
>>7) Name the 2 actresses that previously appeared on Doctor Who and the seria
>>   they appeared in.
>
>Hilary Clinton and Tipper Gore  (oops, sorry, post election confusion)
>
I know, I know. . .

They were:
1)Ace's mum in The Curse of Fenric.  Wasn't she in The Leasure Hive,
as Baby Pangol's stunt double?

2)The Kang with a webbed feet in Paradise towers.  She was in the Sea
Devils, non?

[BTW, Dave.  You know there are at least THREE possible answers to
this question.  If you don't know what I mean, send me a letter and
I'll give you my opinion.]


>UNI still number 1.

ACRONYM?!  ACRONYM?!  ACRONYM!  ---  Colin Baker.

Why can't people just say what they mean, it's so much more clear. . .

Master: You'll not be able to withstand a blast from my Light
Amplified Stimulation of Radion beam!

Doctor: Ace, quick!  Back to the Time And Relative Dimentions In Space!

Ace: Won't he be able to pick us up by RAdio Detecting And Ranging?

Doctor: Just get into the Time And Relative Dimentions In Space!

[Inside the Time And Relative Dimentions In Space]

Doctor: I've got to adjust something on the Time And Relative
	Dimentions In Space console. . .

. . .And on, and on, and on. . .
-- 
   (%)   By order of the High Council of Time Lords on Gallifrey   (%)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The world is too much with us."  |  And The Dark Horse     ~,-;`
   ---   William Wordsworth       |              Rides On           TX TL
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Colin Baker poll
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:06:08 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1dtsnmINNndl@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST101229@brownvm.brown.edu (Charon) writes:

>>Doctor should always be constrained to a personality trait.  Also, what about
>>the Valeyard?  You must have not liked his introduction to Dr. Who, or did
>>you accept him as an incarnation gone bad?  My opinion on this would be that
>>something happenned during his regeneration sequence to cause that.  Though
>>this seems contrary to what I said above, I would think that b'cse a TimeLord
>>is the sum of his memories for the most part, to change such a complete
>>change as that would involve a whole lot.  Just my opinion though.  :)
>>
>>                Mystic
>>(alex.soto@analog.com)

>     Sorry, but I only saw 2 episodes of TOATL, the first one, and the one
>where the Master shows himself in the Matrix.  In my limited experience, the
>Valeyard had nothing to do with the Doctor; did he figure prominently after
>the fourth episode of TOATL?

Yes, he is a future incarnation of the Doctor.

>     I don't know about that "portrayal of the Doctor" thing...the Doctor is a
>character, a person with certain traits and characteristics.  In a continuing
>television series like Doctor Who, you need a consistent character, like the
>Doctor or his companions.  The premise of the show was that there is a person
>devoted to changing things in the universe, to what we would consider "good".
>Unfortunately, each of the adventures is almost totally disjoint from the next.
>If it weren't for the Doctor, we'd have a sort of cheesy Twilight Zone.  Colin
>Baker had a consistent personality (arrogant, unscrupulous), but he didn't seem
>consistent to the Doctor's character or the five previous Doctors.  He didn't
>seem effective.  I seem to remember he was pretty good as Maxell in...Arc of
>Infinity?
>     On an interesting side note, I got a book about the show, by JNT, a couple
>years back...he said Davison was a good choice for the fifth Doctor because he
>was young, blond, and had straight hair!  After Tom Baker being so popular, he
>wanted a completely new look for the Doctor.  Personally, I think Davison
>should have been picked no matter what his hair looked like...

>     -Charon, Boatman of the River Styx <st101229@brownvm.brown.edu>

>   Feel free to point out anything I've said that's stupid or contradictory.

OK, I will.  No, just kidding.  Nothing stupid; just wrong, in my opinion. 
The Sixth Doctor was *very* consistent to the other doctors.

1.  brusqueness
2.  occasional cowardliness
3.  man of action
4.  silly outfits and goofy flippancy
5.  vulnerability and ability to make mistakes

Read that as 1. brusqueness= the first dr.'s brusqueness, and so on.  He was
quite effective by himself, just badly used.

Davison probably would have been picked anyway.  JNT was kind of joking.

Drewcifer
From: maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Shakespeare's influence and some other stuff
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:00:53 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk


	Don't forget Kinda...as well as the fact that most of the
story was based on 'The Tempest' (a.ka. The Forbidden Planet) the
Doctor at one point says "Such things as dreams are made of[on]".
Fascinating or what?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Subject: Re: xx
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:14:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.4153.13801@dosgate> "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com> writes:
>
>I am the Master.  You will obey me.

Hey! You stole my .sig! :-)

-----------------------------------------------------------
" I am the Master. You will obey me. "
                - "Doctor Who"
Ken Luther, Mathematician Extraordinaire
NRL, Code 5162         | Washington, DC. 20375 | (202)767-3149
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: njs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (nicholas.j.sauer)
Subject: Missing New Adventure
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:24:23 GMT
Keywords: The Pit by N. Penswick


I just added the titles of the upcoming New Adventure novels that Jason
provided to my old list when I noticed something missing.  The novel on my
old list scheduled for April 93 was one called The Pit by N. Penswick.  Now
that title is missing and the next two books (Deceit and Lucifer Rising) have
been moved up in time to fill the space.  So, does anyone know what 
happened to this "missing New Adventure"?  

Nick Sauer




Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Subject: Re: McCoys portrayal of the Doctor
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 23:21:00 GMT

In <16866@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

>In article <1992Nov5.175614.9564@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:


>Adric was convincing... for a 14-year-old.  But the character was supposed
>to be 16 or 17, and there's a WORLD of difference.  The immature whining and
>"you're only a girl" put-downs of, say, "Four To Doomsday" were neither
>accurate nor intelligent.

They weren't dumb or intelligent; they were just sexist.  I know absolutely
brilliant people who are also misogynists.  And I've known people my age who
might act exactly like Adric...by the way, did we ever see his age
mentioned?  Supposed to be 16 or 17, eh...is this canon?  (heh, heh)


>Ace, on the other hand, shows just as much reasoning ability in 
>"Curse of Fenric", when she figures out the logic diagram, and she
>acted a lot closer to her age.

Really?  I thought she was pretty damned infantile usually.  How old is she
supposed to be?  She usually acts about 15 herself.

>Adric had moments.  I really liked the character on his first appearance
>in "Full Circle", and "Logopolis" and "Keeper of Traken" suggested a great
>mentor-relationship with the Doctor.  "Earthshock" worked too.  But so
>much of the rest of the time, he was either wasted, or acted so out of
>character with those other stories that it makes me cringe.

Your opinion.

>Ace, on the other hand, has always had a consistent characterization, and
>I _know_ sixteen- and seventeen-year-olds (at my sister's high school) who
>have exactly that kind of "I've never had no mum and dad" attitude and
>quick temper.  And best of all, she and Sylvester have developed exactly the
>kind of mentor-student relationship that they tried and failed with Adric.

Note: sixteen or seventeen year olds.  Wasn't that her mum who was a baby in
WWII?  How old does this make Ace?

>>  Sure, he did some pretty dumb things
>>from time to time, and the characterization was a bit unrealistic, but he
>                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^

>contradiction alert!  You just said Adric was a convincing portrayal.
>Had to say it.  :-)

No contradiction.  It was convincing...just unrealistic.  Think about it.

Drewcifer
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: City of Death
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:27:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: rivers.1992Nov10.172736.300
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1992Nov10.173343.24206@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
> Time to start a totally new thread...
> 
> The Douglas Adams season (the one beginning with "Destiny of the Daleks) was
> one of my favorites.  I was hoping that, after the mediocre fifth
> Hitchhiker's book, Adams might be inclined to redeem himself by giving us
> novelizations of "City of Death" and possibly even "Shada".  Does anyone
> know if these have been done, or if plans are being made for them to be
> done?
> 
> Drewcifer

To show there are no hard feelings, I will answer this question for you.

Douglas Adams has in the past said that someday he'd like to novelize his
stories, but Target/Virgin cling to a payment policy that doesn't take in
to account _at all_ who the author is, i.e. they won't pay him enough,
and they don't show any signs of backing out of that anytime soon.

He has said he won't let anyone else do his three stories, and that he
_never_ wants "Shada" to go out in novel form (though now it's accidentally
out on video he might loosen up a bit on this), and if you ever read 
"Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency" you can see why.  Large sections
of "Shada" were lifted out and reused in DGHDA.

BTW, he also wrote "The Pirate Planet" from the Key to Time season (16),
and that also is not out in novel form, and of the three, it is the one
Douglas says he'd most like to do, as he had to cut a lot out of the 
original script for the TV version (and it was still ten minutes over-length).

Every once in a while this topic pops up over on alt.fan.douglas-adams
so you may want to check there too for more recent information.


And I'll just toss my two cents worth in about Season 17 (the Douglas Adams
season as you put it).  I love the stories he wrote himself, but I think
the other four clearly show why Douglas Adams only remained Script Editor
for one season.  

Steven.K.Manfred
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: City of Death
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:33:43 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Time to start a totally new thread...

The Douglas Adams season (the one beginning with "Destiny of the Daleks) was
one of my favorites.  I was hoping that, after the mediocre fifth
Hitchhiker's book, Adams might be inclined to redeem himself by giving us
novelizations of "City of Death" and possibly even "Shada".  Does anyone
know if these have been done, or if plans are being made for them to be
done?

Drewcifer
From: 00rrchorzemp@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dr who anyone?y
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:02:24 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1992Nov10.184056.11719@bsu-ucs>, 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
> In article <1992Nov10.154628.11718@bsu-ucs>, 00rrchorzemp@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>> In article <domalley.721328842@unix1.tcd.ie>, domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley)) writes:
>>> In <1992Nov7.161803.3073@micom.com> sarah@micom.com (Sarah Menolly/K.J. Montgomery) writes:
>>> 
>>>>In article <gate.gsBuTB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> prisoner@infopls.chi.il.us (Pat Mondi) writes:
>>> 
>>>>>... Who is the most popular Doctor on television? You are correct!
>>>>                ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>>>>Quincy!
>>> 
>>> No, no, no...
>>> It's Doctor Kildare! ;-)
>> 
>> No no no no no!!!!!  Blasphemers!!!!
>> 
>> It is THE DOCTOR!!!
> 
> But, my dear, Doctor WHO?

EXACTLY!!!!!
 
Time Lady Rebecca
                           
00rrchorzemp@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
From: B.J.Williams@newcastle.ac.uk (Barry Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Off-screen adventures
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:58:56 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

otten@quark.umd.edu (Neil Ottenstein) writes:

>I just watched Frontier in Space and therein was mentioned a previous
>adventure of the Doctor where he helped The Draconians 500 years
>previous to the time of the story.  Is this one of the off-screen
>previous adventures?  Is there a list somewhere of all the adventures
>that have been mentioned as happening, but never took place on-screen
>such as this (if it is the case), the Pertwee reference in Colin Baker's
>"Timelash" story, and others.  If not, would any qualified people care
>to put together such a list including the story which refers to the
>previous adventure and any details about it which are revealed.

>Onward>>>
>	Neil Ottenstein
>	otten@quark.umd.edu

Well I'm prepared to start the ball rolling. Here's what I thought of:

An Unearthly Child: The Doctor and Susan first leaving their planet.
                    (The Doctor also has a rather nice speech about some of the
                     places he's been that Ian couldn't possibly imagine.)

Edge of Destruction: Doctor and Susan mention some previous adventures,
                     including a visit to planet Quinnius

The Invasion: The Cybermen mention meeting the Doctor on 'Planet 14'.

Frontier in Space: The Doctor's visit to the Draconians 500 years previously.

The Face of Evil: The 4th Doctor has previously visited the planet and fixed
                  Xoanon.

City of Death: The Doctor is already on a first-name basis with Leonardo da
               Vinci.

The Five Doctors: The 2nd Doctor mentions meeting 'the terrible Zodin' some
                  time in the Earth's future.

The Two Doctors: The 2nd Doctor and Jamie leave Victoria behind to study
                 graphology.

Time Lash: Karfel previously visited by the 3rd doctor and Jo.

The Mysterious Planet: The 6th Doctor and peri have been together long enough
                       to start liking each other, and presumably had some
                       adventures in that time as well.

Terror of the Vervoids: The Doctor picks up Mel in the first place.

Greatest Show...: The Gods of Ragnarok know the Doctor rather well.

Remembrance of the Daleks: It was the 1st Doctor who left the hand of Omega
                           behind at the undertakers and (presumably) picked it
                           up in the first place as well.

Silver Nemesis: The Doctor has already met Lady Peinforte and sent Nemesis into
                orbit.

The Curse of Fenric: The Doctor first imprisoned Fenric in a flask.

That's about all I can think of at the moment. Any more takers?

Barry.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason)
Subject: Re: New Adventures Line up
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:52:52 GMT
Keywords: Dooccttor ?

jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason) writes:

> The line up for the New Adventures Novels continues apace. Here is the list:

> Title                               Author              Release
> ******************************************************************************
> Transit                           Ben Aaronovitch       Dec.1992
> The Highest science               Gareth Roberts        Feb 93
> The Pit                           Neil penswick         mar 93
  Deceit                            Peter Darvill Evans   apr 93
  Lucifer Rising                    Andrew Lane &
                                     Jim Mortimore        may 93
  
>                                                           
> White Darkness                    David McIntee         Jun 93                  Shadowmind                        Chris Bullis          July 93
> Birthrite                         Nigel Robinson        Aug 93
> Iceberg                           David Banks           Sep 93
> Bloodheat                         Jim Mortimore         Oct 93
> The Dimension Riders              Daniel Blythe         Nov 93
> Left Handed Hummingbird           Kate Orman              94
> Conundrum                         Steve Lyons             94
> Anarchy in the UK                 Paul Cornell            94
>*****************************************************************************

>Transit will introduce Kadiatu Lethbridge Stewart..possibly a new companion,
>and Ace will return in Deceit.
>Let us hope these future books maintain the VERY HIGH standard set by their
>predecessors........LONG LIVE THE DOCTOR!!!

 THIS IS UPDATED FOLLOWING AN OMISSION OF THE PIT MARCH 1993.
 WHITE DARKNESS ONWARDS IS UNCONFIRMED RELEASES