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From: d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: XEP 80 -printer port works!
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:52:07 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

Well after removing the joy I had connected the XEP actually worked.
(funny).
Well anyway I tested the printer with XEP80.DOC well after a few tries
to get the page position right I gave up and printed it straight out,
so when it was finished I found out that it send both CR/NL?
well after reading the printout I ran PRINTER.BAS to set it just
to treat EOL as CR.
aux#=0 ,#2=4.

So now I only have to experiment with escape characters, nlq etc.

Thanks to those who replied to my Previous HELP message and kept me trying.
(I Love COPY *.* P:)!


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: ab588@yfn.ysu.edu (joseph sabatino)
Subject: Who wrote ALFBACK/RESTore
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:50:17 GMT


Does anyone know who wrote ALFBACK. Send me email...I would pay
someone to write me something like that that works with a
3 1/2 720k drive.
-- 
Joe Sabatino-->ab588@yfn.ysu.edu
From: phbill@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: New Address...
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 12:05:42 PST
Reply-To: phbill@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations

jjmcwill@next3 (Jeffrey J. McWilliams) writes:

> had the mother board out, and compared it with my topless 800XL.
> The 1200XL is bigger
> because the first several inches at the front of the computer 

Hehe..  I laughed when I heard about Apple's new Mac Powerbook (back when 
it was new) and how it had all that space to rest your palms on... then I 
looked at my 1200xl and laughed and laughed..

8)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: Lyman Green (lgreen@bbs.sbs.com)
Subject: Manuals
Reply-To: lgreen@bbs.sbs.com (Lyman Green)
Organization: Anomaly: Rhode Island's Gateway To The Internet
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:59:06 GMT

Ok, What I guess I'm in need of is manuals for the Atari 800XL, disk 
drives, and the modem interface (or is it a serial/parallel interface) 
box.  My father would like to play some games other than the 4 or 5 carts 
he has, and we had no idea (and no disks or games on them) how to run the 
800XL, since he picked it up at a yardsale for about 35 bucks..
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: tgreen@iastate.edu (Todd Greenfield)
Subject: Re: [CTRL] key!? HAHAHA!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:59:34 GMT

In <PVP2VB8w165w@cyberden.sf.ca.us> phbill@cyberden.sf.ca.us writes:

>Well, now since I have my new OS's and a RAMBO-XL upgrade in my little 
>1200xl, it has no room for shielding... so I get much interference, 
>especially on my radio.  (as if having the radio on the wall farthest 
>from the window in this metal shack of a mobile home is bad enough!)

>anyways... I noticed that the static lowers a bit when I hit [CONTROL]

you might try putting some aluminum foil in for sheilding -
tape it to the case or something.  Of course, make sure
it doesn't touch anything on the board.  might be worth
a try anyway.

Todd
-- 
Todd Greenfield
tgreen@iastate.edu
From: Rick_Michael_Cortese@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Need Action! help
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 08:06:46 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

It would be perfect since even if you only had one drive, all someone with
a SDX cart would have to do is shut off the drive during boot, but Mucking
around commercal software, most just send the machine into an endless loop.
something like:
 LOOP
  JMP LOOP
If the start-up conditions are not met so if it's a password, bad sector, ???
you can just:

PROC Infinity()
 DO
 OD
RETURN
PROC Main()
<Blah, Blah, Blah>
IF condition=0
 THEN
  Infinity()
FI
<More Blah??>
RETURN
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: richards@bugs.orl.mmc.com (Larry Richardson)
Subject: Re: Need Action! help
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:51:17 GMT

Password protecting an 8-bit is a little hopeless, as most good programmers
will just boot up with something else (another floppy with DOS) anyway.

Something that I have done is to write a small machine language program that
forces the user to enter a correct password before continuing execution.  Then,
append the program (this only works for individual programs, not for the
entire system) that you want protected to the end of the small ML file.  The
ML file will execute first, ask the user for the password, and if the user
types the correct password, control will pass back to DOS, which will continue
loading the remaining part of the executable (the original program).

Of course, you can write a small ACTION! program to do this, compile it
to machine language, and do the same thing.  That is, if the ACTION! compiler
tells DOS to explicitly run the program after it loads (I forget the memory
address you have to load...).  I can't remember off the top of my head if 
it does or not.

			Larry Richardson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: rossi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Oliver Rosenkranz)
Subject: Re: XF551 price
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:44:04 GMT

bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum) writes:

>If those are brand new drives, the price sounds about right.  I wouldn't pay
>that much for a used drive, but I have no idea what prices are like in Germany.

It's over (although it just begins).
I bought it for DM 200, that's a fair price and it's really brand new.
But here my problems begin...
The only DOS I own working correctly with the XF551 and giving the full
density support is BIBO-DOS XF6.4.
That's a good one but there are still a few features I miss :

- A good sector copier for XF551s DS/DD format (quad format)
- A file copy program for quad density and all others without filename typing
  and with one-button-pressed operations
- A track copier for XF551 (both sides)
- A assembly source code for recognizing the disk switch open/close
- More DOS for it (supporting all its densities and the included software
  speeder)

Also, is there a hardware utility for it like the HAPPY 1050 oder SPEEDY 1050 ?
Not because of double density but for higher speed and becoming master of all
the tracks...

Is there the possibility of building in a write-protect switch to the XF551 ?

Thanx in advance for quick and founded answers ...

--==rossi==--
From: phbill@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: TV interface question
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 15:03:07 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

To hook up a switch box to a coaxial(sp?) cable input, you need a little 
ditty that you can get at radio shack.  It looks sort of like this:


 _____
| * * |
| ___ |
|/   \|
|| + ||
|\___/|
-------

The "*"s are screws, and the big round thing with the "+" in the middle 
is a female-end plug of a coaxial cable.  

I also think that some switchboxes are made with cable outputs.

I'd check out Radio Shmuck or some other electronics outfit.

Have fun!

--                  |>|>                        Time flies like an arrow,
Bill Kendrick   :   |h|>ill@Cyberden.UUCP       But fruit flies like a
                                                banana! - Dr.Who
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: clf3678@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.L. Freemesser)
Subject: Computer stuff for sale (including Mac and Atari 8-bit)
Followup-To: poster
Originator: clf3678@ultb
Keywords: sale, Mac, Atari, 8bit, Biggles Lives!
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:58:53 GMT

The following goodies are for sale.  If you are interested in anything,
send a message via one of the paths listed at the end of this message.
Prices do NOT include shipping.

Thanks much!

-------------
1) NEC PC-8023-A printer
	This is a no-frills, 9-pin dot matrix printer.  Does not do
	graphics.  80-column, "average" sized printer.  It's a very
	sturdy little bugger, and is perfect for those who want to do
	rough drafts without turning on the laser printer.  Includes
	owner's manual.  Printer uses the same ribbon as the Apple
	ImageWriter, so they are easy to find!  I also have some
	printer driver software for AtariWriter if you have an 8-bit
	Atari.  $40

2) 1.44MB diskettes
	Total of 48.  All are less than 6 months old, and are in
	perfect condition.  I changed computers, and the new one does
	not have a high-density drive.  Take all 48 for $24.  All but
	8 of them are Computer City disks, which come with a LIFETIME
	warranty.

3) SimCity Supreme (for the Mac)
	Purchased about a month ago.  I bought it, played it for 4 days,
	and haven't touched it since.  It's a great game, but I just
	don't have the time for it anymore.  Warranty card still in
	the box.  $25

4) 10MB hard disk for Atari 8-bit computer
	This is a good working hard drive for those who own an Atari
	8-bit computer and have either an MIO or CSS Black Box.  It's
	a 3.5 inch Rodime RO252 hard drive with a Xebec S1410A
	controller, neatly mounted together.  Includes an open-faced
	130W Astec power supply (UL approved of course).  All you 
	need is the MIO or Black Box, and you've got a hard drive!
	I'll throw in a SCSI cable with it.  $100


 _______________________________________________________________________
 || Chris Freemesser, RIT Comp.Eng.Tech.     I'd rather have a bottle ||
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From: phbill@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: VBIs/DLIs as Proc's in Action!
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:06:01 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

After playing a teeny bit with Quick, I got REALLY interested in DLIs and 
VBIs.  The most I've done before was a DLI to make, say, every line of 
the screen be a different color.  But now, I've learned exactly how 
multicolored text is done! (with Sync's)  (ie, say you had a Gr.2 mode 
text line.. instead of bit-mapping it onto a gr.7 mode, and then DLI'ing 
every line of it, you just do a facny DLI to the Gr.2 mode, which changes 
the color not just at every display list line, but every scan line (that 
you specify)!)

Trippy..

now...  how can one do such a thing in Action!..  in Quick, you do 
something like this:


INTER vbi-name
  ...
  BEGIN
    ...
  ENDVBI


INTER dli-name
  ...
  BEGIN
    ...
  ENDDLI


MAIN
  ...
  ...
  VBI(vbi-name)
  DLI(dli-name)
  ...
ENDMAIN



like that.  The "INTER"..."BEGIN" and "MAIN" are like "PROC" in Action!, 
and "ENDVBI", "ENDDLI", and "ENDMAIN" are like "RETURN" in Action!.

I'm just guessing, but I suppose the commands "VBI()" and "DLI()" turn on 
the VBI and DLI modes, and set their pointers to the code-block addresses 
of the procedures "vbi-" and "dli-name"...


Also, the commands "PUSH" and "PULL" are shown in this explaination in 
the book:


INTER FARBE
  ...
BEGIN
  PUSH
  ...
  PULL
ENDDLI


I'm also guessing that "ENDDLI" would be compiled to a 64 (dec) (is that 
right?), compared to a 96 (dec) (is THAT right?!)..  I know almost 
NOTHING of ML and assembly, but have played around with it, and deduced 
that almost all ML routines end with a 96, and all DLI's end with a 64.  




Well...  any suggestions on porting such little ditties into Action!?  
(since I'm more used to it, and have an English manual for it! ;)  )





Thanx in advance..      Anyone who hasn't looked at Quick yet should.. 
it's pretty neat.  (The editor could be better, to tell the truth.. :(  
but oh well.)


Also, any Quick users..         HOW DO YOU DO INVERSE IN THE EDITOR!?!?

(I'm so used to the E:ditor in BASIC, and the upgraded E:ditor-style 
editor Action! uses..
        and then there's TextPro and Atariwriter+ 

                        I've been spoiled! ;)           )

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From: fseipel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Frank E Seipel)
Subject: Re: 850 Interface
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:29:29 GMT

 One method of eliminating the translation would be to use the "R:"
port -- since there is an XIO that definitely works for this port.  The
only problem is you would then need a serial to parallel converter,
since most printers can't be hooked up serially.  All software could be
made compatible; just go into the handler table and change the letter "P"
to something else, and change "R" to "P".  In addition, the "R" handler
would have to be loaded at boot-up.
 It might also be possible to write a "P" handler which eliminates this
problem on the 850, and still uses the parallel printer port.  It should
be possible to add an extra CR or LF, but I doubt anything could be done
about the conversion of the ATASCII return.

-- 

Frank Seipel                      A.C.E.C. BBS (614) 471-8559 3/12/24oo bps
fseipel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Pandora  BBS (614) 471-9209 3/12oo bps
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: ab588@yfn.ysu.edu (joseph sabatino)
Subject: Wish List
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:45:37 GMT


Did you ever write/buy a piece of software or add some new hard-
ware to your system and after doing so wish you had the time/money
or what-ever to do what you hadn't thought of before you made the
upgrade......hhmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Well, I'm really wondering if there's anyone out there who thought
of these or done something about it:
Developed the CHKFRAG program to a full-blown hd optimizing program.
Developed a sector copier for XF551 and its mods like the 720k dd/ds
3 1/2"ers.
How 'bout an 80 column DB that uses .DIFs and math functions (since
Turbobase is out of biz and no one seems to know where to get it)
A menu driven DD3 (like DOT MAGIC for DD2 files where documents, 
lables, pics, etc can be called up from a menu..hmmmm<-think I'll
do something like this now!)
Anyone want to add to this list is welcome, but if anyone HAS done
anything like this PLEASE SOUND OFF.
-- 
Joe Sabatino-->ab588@yfn.ysu.edu
From: aa700@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Current)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: R: Handler for SX212
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:29:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa700@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Current)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, Harry.Johnson@launchpad.unc.edu (Harry Johnson) says:

>Is there anybody out there who has a handler for the SX212 that will work
>with Omnicom?  I'd love to hear from you... or if you know where the
>handler is located within the SX Express file, I'm fully capable of
>pulling it out. 

There are a couple of SX handlers at the atari.archive.  I always use
sx212a.arc, which I know works with OmniCom.  I think the other one is
called rverter.arc or something similar.
-- 
         Michael Current, Cleveland Free-Net 8-bit Atari SIGOp
Carleton College, Northfield, MN, USA / UUCP: ...!umn-cs!ccnfld!currentm
      Internet: currentm@carleton.edu / Cleveland Free-Net: aa700
From: Harry.Johnson@launchpad.unc.edu (Harry Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: FAQ about mail server
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:01:59 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service


Would someone out there please email me the info about how to use the mail
server for the atari archive?  I don't have ftp access from my host site. 
I used to, but changed sites and lost it; I used to ftp and so never
learned how to use the mail server. 

Harry
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: bbs@neb (BBS System 801-572-4969)
Subject: Re: SX-212 1200bd modem for sale
Organization: Nebula - Public Access Unix/bbs SLC Ut, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:42:40 GMT

$20.00 scoffing!?!?!
 
BEST electronics is selling the SX-212 BRAND NEW for 19.99. Perhaps you
ought to rethink YOUR price.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: TV interface question
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:05:18 GMT

In article <lv9qfkc@microsoft.com> Christopher Rimple <crimp@microsoft.com> writes:
>
>I've got my 800 connected to a television using an Atari "game/tv" 
>switchbox.  However, I've got a new tv that doesn't have twin VHF screw 
>connectors, just a coax connector.  Is there any way to use it as a 
>monitor for the 800?
>
If the TV has audio/video inputs, that's the best way to connect the Atari.
If it just has the cable-tv type screw-on connector, you can buy an adaptor
at Radio Shack to change the "RCA" plug on the switchbox cable to an "F" plug.
And if you want to use the tv as a tv, you can get a cable-tv switchbox.

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: jjmcwill@next3 (Jeffrey J. McWilliams)
Subject: Re: 3.5 Drives on the 8 bit
Reply-To: jjmcwill@mathlab.mtu.edu
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:50:05 GMT

In article <71501@cup.portal.com> Rick_Michael_Cortese@cup.portal.com writes:

Rick,

I do remember at one time he was rambling on about doing this, and
even presented a mostly complete PBI to 1772 type of schematic in the SLCC,
and was reading some sectors or something, but it never got beyond that.
Too bad, because I remember he was mumbling about putting a 3.5" drive
inside a 1200XL, ala the ST computers, and being a 1200XL owner myself,
it would have made a great portable computer.

--
Jeff McWilliams  jjmcwill@mathlab.mtu.edu  EE Engineer --> Michigan Tech. 
On Linden, when the sun was low,
All bloodless lay the untrodden snow,
And dark as winter was the flow
Of Iser, rolling rapidly.
From: JJMCWILL@MTUS5.BITNET (Jeff McWilliams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: New Address...
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:06:19 GMT
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.

In article <8NP2VB7w165w@cyberden.sf.ca.us>, phbill@cyberden.sf.ca.us says:
>
>
>Hehe..  I laughed when I heard about Apple's new Mac Powerbook (back when
>it was new) and how it had all that space to rest your palms on... then I
>looked at my 1200xl and laughed and laughed..

Yes, I use several MACS at school, and I like to call 'em wrist
breakers, because your wrists just hang there out away from the
keyboard.  Now that I use an IBM keyboard at home, two things I'd like
to do is get one of those wierd shaped ergonomic keyboard, and
set up the  Dvorak layout.


Jeff McWilliams
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: bbs@neb (BBS System 801-572-4969)
Subject: Re: Atari 800XL monitors and IBM<->AtariDOS disks - HELP !
Organization: Nebula - Public Access Unix/bbs SLC Ut, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:27:05 GMT

Your out of luck with that 200mb IDE drive - I'd suggest trading it off
for a SCSI, MFM or RLL then buying the rest of the required equipment to
hook it up to your 8bit Atari.
 
As far as the monitor goes, there are tons of monitors that you can plug
in. I prefer the COMMODORE brand monitors myself. Amdek makes some
pretty good ones and so does Sakata. Good luck finding any new though -=
most will have to be obtained from 'thrift' stores or other computer
users.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: winston@merk.com (Winston Smith)
Subject: Re: PABQWK
Organization: Technology Partners, Inc.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 09:02:53 GMT


Funny you should mention PABQWK.  I have an ATARI 800XL.  PABQWK is written
in compiled TurboXL BASIC.  Therefore I can run the PABQWK program on my
800XL (to a point... more about this later).  While it is true that I do
not have the space on my 800XL to perform "UNSQUASH"-ing using SUPER-ARC, I
have found an IBM MAXIMUS BBS that allows the sending of QWK offline
downloads using LH113 compression, and Bob Puff's UNLZH program handles
this compression fairly well, performing what it calls a "melt" of the
archive.  Therefore, I can offload "QWK" mail packets and dissolve them.
The only problem is that PABQWK uses "XE ANTIC MEMORY BANKING" with
something called the "ACS.COM" memory manager.  I can get the QWK-Mail
archive and successfully dissolve it, I can run PABQWK on my stock 800XL,
but after the program reads the CONTROL.DAT file, it trys to stuff
all of the text into an XE RAM bank that doesn't exist! The PABQWK program
has sort of this fullscreen windowing message reader program.  All I really
want is a program that uncompresses the MESSAGES.DAT "QWK-Mail" archive,
sequentially, one 128 byte packet at a time.  It really doesn't have to
uncompress an entire QWK-Mail MESSAGES.DAT archive into all of free RAM at
once.  Does one really need an XE to do this?  I don't see why a program
couldn't just "walk incrementally" through a MESSAGES.DAT file of a single
conference, uncompressing as it goes.  Does anyone know what the format of
the MESSAGES.DAT compressed file, is ?...  I mean after it is UNLZH-ed or
UNARC-ed, it is still in some kind of compressed format.  Is it packed
RADIX-50 ?  Is it an ARC ?  Is it a COMPRESS ?  a ZOO ?  an LZH ?  (I don't
suppose that the TurboXL BASIC source code is around anywhere for none XE
owners? )
  
P.S.  Speaking of source code... is the source code of the John Dunning
version of KERMIT-65 available anywhere?  I'm curious....
 
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: snyder10@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (sherry snyder)
Subject: Re: PABQWK
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 10:04:09 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-27433]: convex1.tcs.tulane.edu

Just went and ran PabQwk, had no trouble reading the 59 messages sent by
the Qmail4 door.   However, the door does not see the correct sender attached
to the replies....  this causes the door to reject my rep packet...  The door
does not believe I am who I say I am....                 

Mike
WBUG Atari Archive
Louisiana
From: phbill@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Need Action! help
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:01:01 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Re: security program

well... one drawback...  pressing [BREAK] will simply abort the loading 
of the program (if done at the proper time) and get you into DOS, hence, 
it's useless..

unless of course you make a program that "hides" all the files, and load 
it up everytime you "shut down" the computer.  Then when you boot it back 
up, only entering the proper security code will make the files "visible."

I'm mainly guessing about the [BREAK] thing, but it seems logical (it 
work in all AUTORUNning DOSes (Atari, MyDOS, etc.))

Also, I'm not sure how simple hiding files (ie, erasing the disk dir) is, 
esp. in SpartaDOS...

        and you'd also have to have a file somewhere to copy back onto 
the disk dir..


get it?

hmm

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