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From: kjeld@wm.estec.esa.nl (Kjeld Hjortnaes)
Subject: Landscape and portrait pages in the same document	
Keywords: Flow, autonumbering	
Reply-To: kjeld@wm.estec.esa.nl
Organization: ESA/Estec/WMS, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:54:32 GMT


Can somebody help me on this one.		

I have a document  made up of a number of portrait pages and in between  a few  landscape pages containing mainly figures. I should mention that there is also figures on some of the portrait pages.

My problem is the following:	
I would like to use the auto numbering of my figures. 	
This seems only possible when all pages are connected into one flow. However, this then creates the problem that any update of the document will shift my landscape pages onto a portrait page.  If I disconnect my landscape pages or try to give them another flow then the auto numbering doesn't seem to work.

I use auto numbering with the serie label    "F: Fig. <+n>

Can it be thrue that serie label is relative to the flow and not the document?

Is there any way to  bind the content of a landscape page to a landscape format?

kjeld
From: perrotta@pyrxbooter.eng.pyramid.com (Paul Perrotta)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: No 4.0 for NeXT???
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:29:15 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

In article <1992Dec14.165352.16415@miki.pictel.com> harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.220725.21100@csus.edu> hodges@huckleberry.sfsu.edu writes:
>>When I was at Seybold a couple months ago I made a point of asking this
>>fellow at the Frame booth about Frame 4.0 and NeXT... His name was Mark
>>Hamilton and he is a dweeb...
>
>You know, calling one of their employees a "dweeb" is probably *not*
>the best way to go about gaining Frame's sympathy...

Especially when the person is as capable and accomplished as Mark
Hamilton. 

-Paul
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From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Re: FrameReader for MS Windows. What can it do ?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:42:55 GMT

In article <1430@bridge2.NSD.3Com.COM> div@NAD.3Com.COM writes:
>I have a copy of Frame Reader for MS Windows. If I have Frame Maker already
>installed and working, is there any use of installing Frame Reader. This
>package came without any manuals etc, so if some one can let me know what its
>capabilities are, I can ponder if I should install the same

If you have FrameMaker, you don't need FrameReader because all it does is let
you page through FrameMaker files and make use of any hypertext markers, if 
any are installed in the document. FrameReader does not allow people to modify
files, though, which must be useful in some situations (e.g. widely distributed
on-line documentation).
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: halberst@world.std.com (jerry halberstadt)
Subject: Re: autonumbering question
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:29:30 GMT

Here's a suggestion. Use a Para format for your chapter header or title for
the chapter. Use the Parag. format:numbering to create an autonumber that
carries the chapter number. If you don't want to see it, make it invisible
(create an invisible Character format). This will reset as the top-level
counter. Try it.


	Chapter 3
	Widgets {Invisible autonumber N:<n+>}  

where the stuff inside {} is invisible and part of the autonumbering.


Jerry.


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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,comments@frame.com
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Frame 4.0 (Was Re: No 4.0 for NeXT???)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 02:14:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.005151.16207@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
[ ... ]
>There are many things that I would like to see fixed in FrameMaker.
>I've told them many little nit-picking things via comments@frame.com.

It would be most interesting to have Frame Technology post their entire
"desirable features" list, which I believe number in the thousands by
now. Like on a year-end report card, they can quite simply check off
which feature has been implemented, which bug fixed, etc. One of my
major peeves with Frame Tech. is their unwillingness to provide a
concise list of changes from one version of their software to the next
version. No doubt this is done for public relations reasons, since the
quantity of bugs fixed could well be used in a very negative way
against their product by the media.
-- 
Michael MY Hui  ~{~}  myhui@bnr.ca  Ottawa Canada
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: Mike Dustan <Mike_Dustan@sfu.ca>
Subject: Re: more intelligent footers in Framemaker
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A75790C98C012B30@opifex.ucs.sfu.ca>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:29:29 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:29:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.042138.5256@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Michael Hui,
myhui@bnr.ca writes:
>I place variables in the standard fashion in my footers to
>refer to the current 1Heading and 2Heading lines' contents,
>as is already done in many of the Frame-supplied templates.
>

There is a way to get at least the first and last headings to appear. Use
something like
<$paratext[2Heading]> to <$paratext[+,2Heading]>
which will give you, for example, "Aardvark to Alligator". It may not be
all that you want but it may be a help.

Happy holidys all,
Mike Dustan, Computing Services, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC
Canada
From: kr1@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Kevin Richards [METOFF])
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Chapter Headings
Keywords: Chapters
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:40:41 GMT
Reply-To: kr1@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., University of Reading

Hi,
	I want to know how to create a heading with auto numbering but put the text on the following line. i.e.
	Chapter 1
	     Some title.

The text should still belong to the chapter heading. Any quick and easy solutions.
	Thanks in advance
		Kev

  ____________________________________________________________________
  Kevin Richards                              K.Richards@reading.ac.uk        

                University of Reading, Whiteknights, 
                       Reading, Berkshire, Uk

                    Phone +44 734 875123 ext 7642
From: gerry@cmu.edu (Gerry Roston)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Frame 4.0 (Was Re: No 4.0 for NeXT???)
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:00:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: onion.GERRY.92Dec17100057
Reply-To: gerry@cmu.edu (Gerry Roston)
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU

Vincent Manis' article, although short, summarizes my feelings about
Frame Maker also.  Yes, it is easy to use, and yes, for many simple
applications, it gets the job done.  But you must really give up quite
a lot, for example, when switching from TeX.  The other problem is
that Frame seems to only know about lines, where TeX knows about
paragraphs and pages, thus the documents set by TeX ALWAYS look
better.  (This is in part due to TeX vastly superior use of kerning
and glue.)

What really bugs me though, is that these comments have been said for
years, and no one at Frame seems to be listening.  Seriously, what
was the big deal about the 2.1 -> 3.0 release?  Not much that I could
see, except tables.

So, Frame folks, are you listening?  We are disgruntled!  If you don't
improve your product, you will lose in the end.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: fkolnick@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (F. Kolnick)
Subject: Re: Crashing Framemaker
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:46:54 GMT

In article <IDF.92Dec11125544@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk> idf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Fitchet) writes:
>
> On 10 Dec 92, Kjell Eidem wrote
>
>> Have anyone seen behavior like this?
>
> I have had a lot of trouble with FrameMaker when I have been using
>tables.  I have had two errors (numbers not to hand) which I have sent
>to Frame and their response has been along the lines of either "we know
>about it and are not doing anything about it" or "oh dear."
>
> If you were using tables, then Frame's answer seems to be, tough.
>
>--
>Cheers,
>
>	Ian
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Ian Fitchet     				      I.D.Fitchet@cs.bham.ac.uk
>School of Computer Science
>Univ. of Birmingham, UK, B15 2TT

I had this and similar problems for *years*. I.e., as soon as I started
using tables with FM 3. I called tech support. several times, and was
told that the problem had been found and fixed just after release,
but that they weren't planning to release the fixed version. So,
for years, I had to put up with crashes, very slow print time (8 hours
for some pages with tables!), and frustration at the Lino service.
Finally, just two weeks ago, I got Frame to courier version 3.01 (I think)
to me, so I could get a 500 page manual to film and thence to client.
FM's a great product and a joy to use, but I cancelled my expensive
tech. support contract long agao (esp. since it didn't include a free
upgrade -- that cost me $150, on top of the $200/yr for support).
Anyway, if you haven't got this version of FM, it may be just what
you need :-)

Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: engp1261@nuscc.nus.sg (Teng-Kiat Lee)
Subject: License puzzle
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:30:48 GMT


Hello netters, I have always been just a Framemaker user but
recently I was forced to do some administrative work on this
software.

The cluster of a few machines here shares ONE license to run
imaker (international version). I looked at the frameusers
file and indeed we are granted only that. However, the other
products like maker, write and viewer were not executable
even when I changed the MAXusers for IMAKER to 0 and change
of the other three products to 1. I was also unable to run
fmbatch (which is required by fmmerge). So the question is:
What is the licensing policy like? Can a user site move its
license from one product to the other? (I have all the binaries)

I have no idea where this copy of Framemaker came from. According
to some 'older' folks here, it came 'bundled' with our sparcs.
Is there a way for us to update or upgrade our license directly
from FrameTechnology?

Please advice. Thanks.

Kiat
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From: rwl@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Raymond Lubinsky)
Subject: Re: Bibliographies and Latex
Reply-To: rwl@server.cs.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:28:57 GMT

In article <Bz21vG.1yE@cs.bham.ac.uk>, dma@cs.bham.ac.uk (Denis Anthony) writes:
> In article <1992Dec8.191345.28744@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wk5w@brain.med.virginia.edu (William Katz) writes:
> 
> Get fmbib from :-
> 
> Host server.cs.virginia.edu
> 
>     Location: /pub
>       DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x        512  May 23 1991  fmbib


I must add that the true author of this work is Craig Marcus from
Carnegie-Mellon University.  All I did is create a shell-script
front-end for it which invokes an additional program to also handle
bibliography databases from bib/refer format as well as the Scribe
format which the true fmbib uses.

I believe that Craig has written an updated fmbib, but the version
archived in cs.Virginia.EDU does not yet use that updated version.


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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: wgriege@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Wilfried Grieger)
Subject: IBM DCF/GML filter to Frame available?
Organization: GWDG, Goettingen
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:09:26 GMT

We are planning to produce our documentations with FrameMaker. Unfortunately
most of our older texts are written in IBMs DCF/GML.

Is there a DCF/GML filter to Frame available? Preferably public domain or
shareware, but hints to commercial products are also welcome.

Please mail directly to me. I'll summarize the results to this newsgroup.

Wilfried Grieger

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From: kbeal@amber (Ken Beal)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Q: multi-threading in Frame?
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:39:53 GMT
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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I've been using Frame for only a few hours, total, and have noticed a glaring
deficiency: I am running on a multi-processor Unix box, and Frame has to
pause while printing until the printing is done!

It also gives me the hourglass when loading, saving, etc etc -- when doing
just about anything.

Another thing that upsets me is its handling of the user's dictionary.  It is
quite limited, as compared to, say, Word Perfect's.  Some words it would not
allow me to enter in (i.e. some things like "..." where it flags it not
as a misspelling, but as a repeated character), and it would not let me put
in some places where there are extra spaces.

It seems like an interesting program, and I hope my experience with it gets
better.  Please let me know if there are any settings to enable multi-
threading, and any things I can modify as far as the spellchecker goes...

If it is not possible to do these (*especially* the multi-threading), could
some kind soul give me an e-mail address for Frame?

	aTdHvAaNnKcSe!  ;-)
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: storti@beach (Duane Storti)
Subject: No 4.0 for NeXT???
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:04:00 GMT

Rumors have been floating on the net (in comp.sys.next.misc for example) that  
FrameMaker 4.0 is in the works, but that no NeXT compatible version of 4.0 is  
planned. Say it ain't so Joe! We use FrameMaker because our research group can  
work on ALL of our platforms (including HP's, PC's and NeXT's) and exchange  
documents flawlessly using the interchange format. 

If anyone from Frame is listening, PLEASE continue to support the NeXT  
platform.

_______________________________________________________________
Duane Storti			University of Washington
storti@u.washington.edu		Mechanical Engineering, FU-10
				Seattle, WA 98195
From: ekberg@aslslc100.asl.dl.nec.com (Tom Ekberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Filter for DRWGMD file
Keywords: filter
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:03:22 GMT
Organization: NEC America, Inc. Irving, Texas

I have some files which were obtained from a Mac that contain DRWGMD as the
first few characters.  I think they were created with MacDraw.  FrameMaker
doesn't recognize the format and none of the filters in the FilterPak (version
3.0) generate something reasonable that can be fed into FrameMaker.  Do you
know of a filter that will convert this kind of file into something that
FrameMaker can handle?

-- 
  -- tom, ekberg@asl.dl.nec.com (214-518-3626)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,comments@frame.com
From: hodges@huckleberry.sfsu.edu (Jack &)
Subject: Re: No 4.0 for NeXT???
Reply-To: hodges@huckleberry.sfsu.edu
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:07:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.210400.4199@u.washington.edu> storti@beach (Duane Storti)  
writes:
> Rumors have been floating on the net (in comp.sys.next.misc for example) that  
> FrameMaker 4.0 is in the works, but that no NeXT compatible version of 4.0 is  
> planned. Say it ain't so Joe! We use FrameMaker because our research group  
can  
> work on ALL of our platforms (including HP's, PC's and NeXT's) and exchange  
> documents flawlessly using the interchange format. 
> 
> If anyone from Frame is listening, PLEASE continue to support the NeXT  
> platform.
> 
> _______________________________________________________________
> Duane Storti			University of Washington
> storti@u.washington.edu		Mechanical Engineering, FU-10
> 				Seattle, WA 98195

When I was at Seybold a couple months ago I made a point of asking this
fellow at the Frame booth about Frame 4.0 and NeXT, since that is basically
ALL we use now (cross platform compatibility, etc.). His name was Mark
Hamilton and he is a dweeb. Anyway, he started using terms like ORPHANing,
and justifying why they dropped Apollo, and mentioned how loyal the NeXT
users have been, etc. I got the distinct feeling that they were going
to hatchet us. I have been biting my tongue not sending mail to Frame,
but I agree completely that we do not want them to cancel us, and with
NeXTStep486 coming out, they would be CRAZY not to continue supporting
NeXTStep. You must know, though, that Frame Tech does things in a weird 
way if you have been using the application for very long.

Jack Hodges,
San Francisco State University
Loyal NeXT/FrameMaker User
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: Mike Dustan <Mike_Dustan@sfu.ca>
Subject: Re: Crashing Framemaker
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A753ABA3F0012B30@opifex.ucs.sfu.ca>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:34:59 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:35:01 GMT

In article <IDF.92Dec11125544@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk> Ian Fitchet,
idf@cs.bham.ac.uk writes:
> On 10 Dec 92, Kjell Eidem wrote
>
>> Have anyone seen behavior like this?
>
> I have had a lot of trouble with FrameMaker when I have been using
>tables.  I have had two errors (numbers not to hand) which I have sent
>to Frame and their response has been along the lines of either "we know
>about it and are not doing anything about it" or "oh dear."

When I got Macintosh FrameMaker 3.0, I immediately started experimenting
with tables. I could crash FM repeatably if I selected the whole table
and started playing around with title positions, space before/after and
so on in the Table Format dialog. Selecting anything less than a table
worked fine. I reported this to Frame, who said, essentially, "Isn't that
interesting. Glad you found a workaround."

Cheers
Mike Dustan, Computing Services, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC
Canada
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: brighid@bass.lkw.com (Brighid)
Subject: Re: Crashing Framemaker
Organization: Lakewood Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:06:44 GMT


Could be that you don't have enough memory. There are times when
Frame will tell you that it is running out of memory (building a
book comes to mind), but most of the time, it doesn't.

I have had Frame crash due to lack of memory of a Sun workstation
(import a nice GIF with several files open), an NCD x term and
Sparc station combo (do anything besides run Frame) and under
SCO's OpenDesktop on a 386 machine.

My advice: Save frequently. Force the core dump file size to 0.
(I know this can be done, just not how.) Run perfmeter to watch
memory usage. Upgrade your hardware. Be wary of memory intensive
operations.

good luck!

Brighid				My whole system crashes once a day! :)
brighid@bass.lkw.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: steves@microware.com (Steve Simpson)
Subject: Re: Moving things around...
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:21:14 GMT

In article <5901@esf.esf.de> tholome@esf.de (Eric Tholome) writes:
>This was experienced with FrameMaker 2.1 on Sun.
>
>I've discovered something pretty convenient (and possibly funny) in FrameMaker:
>if you select several characters, hold Control down and use the arrow keys, you
>will be able to move the selection in all four directions.
>
>I'm sure this can be helpful in drawings, etc. I guess it can mess things up as
>well if used stupidly...

As you change the zoom on the page, the amount of movement changes, too.
[See below]. These work for moving characters around in text rects.
Select a character and move it one way, select another and move it another
way. Keep doing this until your text is unrecognizable. Then highlight
all the text and type META R11. Viola, your type is restored. This is nice
for precise kerning control or drop capitals.

>
>Is this well known, used and documented? I don't think so...

The object movement is well-documented and I use it extensively. A quick
look through the index of the Frame doc did not reveal info on the 
character movement, but I remember seeing it somewhere. The doc on object
movement gives a table for the amount of movement at various zooms.

>
>P.S. This also works for objects, but it isn't that funny, is it?

This is, in fact, EXTREMELY helpful. Since at 100%, SHIFT Arrow moves
6 points and META Arrow move 1 point, I use these for things like
precise drop shadows and cubes. It is, however, cumbersome for generally
moving objects around.


PS--For more key fun, take a look at the fm_commands.h file in the
$FMHOME/.fminit2.0.ps directory. It takes a little deciphering,
but it's interesting.

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From: vivek@siemens.com. (Vivek Agrawala)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: fmdiff
Summary: how to quickly check fm files
Keywords: quickly checking fm files
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:28:19 GMT


Does anyone have a good way for quickly scanning the contents of maker
files?  Something similar to the grep and diff for text files. 

The fmdiff would be particularly useful for version management etc.
Do people generally save files as text for this purpose?

Thanks,
 - Vivek Agrawala

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