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From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.windows.x,comp.unix.xenix.sco,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.windows.misc,comp.unix.msdos,comp.unix.admin,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Question for net.views column in UNIX Today!
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:49:25 GMT
Organization: The RAND Corporation

In article <1992Apr16.204427.1546@cello.hpl.hp.com> renglish@cello.hpl.hp.com (Bob English) writes:
>> In article <1992Apr3.190000.23149@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> vsnyder@math.jpl.nasa.gov (Van Snyder) writes:
>>> [ sendmail.cf is too complicated ]

>chris@alderan.sdata.de (Christoph Splittgerber) responds:
>> . . . . From my point of view, sendmail is a complex, powerful tool and
>> therefor it seems very natural that it's configuration is complex too.

> . . . . I really doubt that sendmail.cf is more complex and
>powerful than most of the standard Unix filters.  I know it's more
>cryptic and difficult to understand.

It occurs to me that if the authors of sendmail were confronted with
the same problems today, they could have written a PERL script instead
of inventing a whole new string-mashing system, and added a few simple
utitities for spooling and transmission.

PERL is the Swiss Army knife of UNIX filters.  (This isn't intended
entirely as a complement...)

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: dsevans@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel S Evans)
Subject: HELP !!!! Font Downloading with DECserver 90L+ on UWS
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:51:57 GMT


I've got a DEC 5000 attached to an HP laserjet III through a DECserver 90L+.
I'm trying to download a font file (binary).  Everytime I do, the file
is not downloaded properly.  Is there a way to do this with a 90L+
installed.  Is the DECserve stripping characters ?  Do I use lp or
lpr to print the files?  How about cat ?  HELP !!!!!!!!


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: robert@triton.jpl.nasa.gov (Robert Angelino)
Subject: Motif DecWindows Locking up on overloaded systems...
Reply-To: robert@triton.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:36:01 GMT

Dec world,
	Has anyone been experiencing this??  If so has anyone found a
solution??  We have a cluster of three 6000s with about 60-70 terminals
(vt1200).  lately (when they put motif decwindows on) the system has
slowed down to a screaching halt.  The OS version is 5.4-3, the motif
version is DECWINDOWS/MOTIF- V1.0.  What usually happens is the process
(the window manager) goes into a MUTEX state (I don't know what this is??)
and the screen locks up and I have to power cycle the vt1200.
When I log back in, the set of processes I thought I nuked (by power
cycling) are still there and I can't kill them.

thanks in advance
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.dec:2620 comp.unix.ultrix:3900 comp.unix.admin:2847
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F Haugh II)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Help: how to set the ownership of a mounted floppy disk back to general user
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:30:20 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F Haugh II)
Organization: On the Beach, Simpson Bay, Sint Maarten, Nederland Antilles
X-Random-Thought: Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty

In article <1992Apr17.102950.24105@corp.telecom.co.nz> chuck@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Chuck Qun Zheng) writes:
>In article <shlam.703387613@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk>, shlam@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk
>(Alan S H Lam) writes:
>|> I can mount a 5000/25 DEC station floppy disk drive as a general user
>|> |> as long as the root has set:
>|> 
>|> chmod +rwx /dev/rfd0a
>|> chmod +rwx /dev/fd0a
>|> 
>|> However after the mounting, the ownership of the mount directory is
>|> root rather than the user even though the directory is created by
>|> the
>|> user and has been set to "chmod +rwx" by the user before mounting.
>|> The status of the mounted directory is still drwxr-xr-x. Hence,
>|> general
>|> user cannot directly copy any file to the floppy disk.
>|> 
>How about 
>
>	chown root.students /dev/rfd0a /dev/fd0a
>
>Or set gid to staff, grads, users, etc.  Ultrix might well allow a user in
>many groups, like BSD.

That won't fix it either.  The problem is in the root directory on
the floppy disk, more likely than not.  You need to fix the floppy
diskette before that directory will ever be changed - mounting the
floppy puts the mounted-on directory underneath the root directory
on the floppy itself.  So, you need to chmod the directory =after=
mounting, not before.

As for changing the device, that only grants you access to the
device.  Once the floppy has been mounted, the permissions on the
filesystem control access.  Changing the modes on the device does
nothing at all.
-- 
John F. Haugh II                   | SITUATION WANTED:
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151            |    Will write device drivers, turn status
UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh |    reports in late, and whine incessantly
Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org      |    for food.  Serious inquiries only ;-)
From: debra@pyramid.unr.edu (Debra Estabrook)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: VAX 11/730 to Donate
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:27:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science



I have a VAX 11/730 to donate to any interested party.

It has the following - 

			* 5 MB Memory
			* RA80 Disk Drive
			* TU80 Mag Tape Drive

If anyone is interested me send me a message.


D. Estabrook
From: cazier@mbunix.mitre.org (Cazier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: VMS 5.5/POSIX
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:19:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr14.151940.3786
Organization: Houston, TX

The responses I've recieved with my earlier questions about VMS 5.5/POSIX
have been in the form of LECTURES about POSIX. I'm not looking for a 
religious lecture on POSIX ... I'm seeking folks who might have some 
knowledge about how functionally equivalent VMS 5.5/POSIX is to UNIX/POSIX?

If I (a UNIX user) am placed on VMS 5.5/POSIX and run the "posix" shell
will I get the same functionality from that environment (under VMS) as
I would if I remain on my current DEC Ultrix system 5500.

It woudl be nice to get some type of mapping on Ultrix vs VMS 5.5/POSIX
to see what functions, system calls and/or tools/utilities I'm losing in
such a move.

I do not feel that reading DEC literature will tell me qualitatively what
to expect from my new environment.

Anyone with such info or war stories, please respond ... thanks.
From: cazier@mbunix.mitre.org (Cazier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: VMS 5.5/POSIX
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:58:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr9.215812.10982
Organization: Houston, TX

We are looking into moving our DEC System 5500 users to a 6610 running
VMS 5.5 which I understand includes a POSIX kernel.  I would like to find out
what functionality the current UNIX users are going to lose (if any) running
under VMS 5.5 with the UNIX-like (or POSIX) shell.

The current production application is written in C, but I'm unsure of the
compatibility between an Ultrix system and the VMS environment. It seems
to me that the Ultrix ".exe" executable does not run in the VMS environment.

However, in the "POSIX" environment I believe the users are able to run
a UNIX-like shell w/o losing any of their curent capability. Please correct
me if I'm wrong.

What types of porting problems would the current application suffer with the 
move to VMS 5.5?

Any kind of heads up on such a move would be kindly received. Thanks.
From: greenidd@CS.ColoState.EDU (danielle greenidge)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: SCSI Tape Drive (1/4")
Keywords: SCSI, quarter-inch, tape
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:08:40 GMT
Organization: Organization?  Why start now?

Just a note to all interested SCSI users:

I'm doing a little recon for my company regarding potential market interest
in an affordable (~$2000) 4 Gigabyte quarter-inch SCSI tape drive.  If this
sounds like a viable alternative to your current (or near-future) tape
solutions, drop me a little e-mail note with your machine type(s) and phone
number (optional).

Thanx,

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mark Spence (in exile at):  greenidd@mozart.cs.colostate.edu

A man asked God how much a million dollars was to Him. "About a penny."
The man asked how long a million years was to Him. "About a second."
The man asked if God could give him a penny. "Yeah...just a second..."

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From: gezelter@rlgsc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: TECO .  I need to know more about it.
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:00:06 EST
Organization: Robert Gezelter Software Consultant, Flushing, NY

In article <13APR199218454690@reg.triumf.ca>, music@reg.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) writes:
>  Hello Netters, 
> 
>      Trouble is, it seems we have no manuals left.  The blasted Gray 
>    Wall in the DCL manual pg 162 says "see the PDP TECO manual".  What
>    a tick-off!
> 
>      Does anyone out there have some TECO documentation they could
>    mail me?
> 
 
There are actually three sources of TECO documentation.
 
1.	The manual, as published by DIGITAL. It should be listed 
	in the Documentation Products Directory, and should be
	orderable through the normal easy (?) channels (In the 
	US, through the toll-free telephone number 1-800-DIGITAL
	which accepts MC/VISA)
 
2.	The quick reference card, which may still be available
	from DIGITAL through the above channels. The card, 
	entitled "TECO Pocket Guide" is marked DEC Number
	AV-D530A-TK. It is a couple of years old, but is often
	more convenient than the large book.
 
3.	The machine readable documentation included in the 
	various VAX/VMS and RSX-11 TECO distributions available
	from the DECUS libraries.

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.dec:2500 comp.windows.x:9745
From: beyer@utrtsc.dec.com (Peter Beyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Questions about DECWindows under VMS
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:54:19 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.dec
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Apr8.113011.23572@descartes.waterloo.edu>, wjbaird@descartes.waterloo.edu (Warren Baird) writes...
 > 
 >I have a few questions about DECWindows under VMS that hopefully
 >someone can help me answer.
 > 
 >1)  The information that I've seen implies that DECWindows under VMS is
 >an X11 varient, but I haven't been able to find the relationship
 >between various versions of DECWindows and the releases of X11.  Is
 >there an easy way to tell whether a version of DECWindows is X11R3 or
 >X11R4?

DECWINDOWS on VAX/VMS 5.4 and upwards is X11R4 compliant

>2) Is VMS DECWindows a full X11 distribution?  Does it support all of
>the XLib toolkit?  Are there any other toolkits that are always
>included?
> 

VMS DECWindows is not a full X11 distribution. i.e. you can't build your own
servers, etc. There's no Athena widget set. But we do have the complete Xlib
and Xtoolkit. DECWindows is now based on OSF/MOTIF altough the old DEC XUI 
widgetset is stil included.

>3) Is there any easy way for X programs running under VMS (with the
>DECNet protocol, I suppose) to communicate with X servers running under
>Unix? (either Ultrix or otherwise)

DECWindows supports 3 types of transport: TCP/IP, DECnet, LAT There's no 
problem using other OS's X-servers as long as they speak your language, that 
means X and one of the transports above.

>4) Are there any special issues that have to be addressed in porting an
>XLib-based program from Unix to VMS?

Not that I now of except for the usual things of porting normal "C" programs to 
the VMS platform (file system stuf etc.) X-wise there's no difference. There 
are people who ported the Athena widget set to VAX/VMS. I ported many programs 
published in comp.sources.x to VAX/VMS. (example: XV)

Peter Beyer 
Digital Equipment b.v. Holland
Internet: beyer@utrtsc.Enet.dec.com
Xref: sparky comp.sys.dec:2468 vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks:1419
From: daparish@beckman.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Re: Pathworks directory depth
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:40:00 GMT
Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc.

In article <1992Mar30.153626.7315@mtholyoke.edu>, mcrowley@mtholyoke.edu (Michael A. Crowley) writes:
> 
> Repeatedly enter DOS commands:  md x     cd x
> and eventually one receives "Invalid directory".  The point at which 
> this occurs seems related to the number of characters in the path,
> not to the number of directories.   md xxxxxxxx     cd xxxxxxxx  repeatedly
> 
> It is also not related to the VMS directory depth.  
> It is also not how DOS behaves locally.
> 
> I haven't seen this limitation written up in the release notes.  
> Is this a known problem?  Any solutions?

the following is extracted from 4.0 release notes (on DSN):

          o  Subdirectory Depth

               The file server does not prevent creation of
               subdirectories more than 8 levels deep. Normal RMS syntax
               does not allow you to specify more than 8 directory
               levels. Therefore, server clients can create files and
               directories which cannot be easily accessed by RMS and
               which are not backed up by the default form of the VMS
               BACKUP command.

               However, subdirectories up to 16 levels deep can be
               accessed using rooted-directory syntax. Also, the
               BACKUP/IMAGE command causes files to be backed up and
               restored correctly regardless of subdirectory depth.

So you can expect to have a problem doing a selective restore on anything more
than 8. 
also, doesn't dos maintains a memory structure for each device that maintains a
text string in memory  of the current path (pwd) on that device. This is what
the "lastdrive=" controls. I thought that was about 80 bytes per drive?

-- 
Ashley parish                   /  this is your disk            /     \___/
daparish@biivax.dp.beckman.com /   this is your disk on drugs  /      /o__o
                              /    any questions???           /      / (..)\
                             /                               /       \  -- /
Xref: sparky comp.sys.dec:2511 comp.windows.x:9813 comp.unix.xenix.sco:1882 comp.unix.sysv386:8414 comp.windows.misc:736 comp.unix.msdos:612 comp.unix.admin:2752 comp.os.misc:487 comp.unix.questions:6060 comp.sys.hp:5095
From: allyn@sleepy.UUCP (Mark Allyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.windows.x,comp.unix.xenix.sco,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.windows.misc,comp.unix.msdos,comp.unix.admin,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Question for net.views column in UNIX Today!
Summary: oracle
Date: 6 Apr 92 00:08:28 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

> FLAMING EXCREMENT they are. Their software is a damned nightmare to install,

What happened with your Oracle installation?

I've installed and administered two large Oracle databases on Sun equipment.
Both installations went smoothly and I have few problems keeping the
respective databases up.

I think that Oracle seems to be able to comp up, shut down, and recover
from disk failures fairly smoothly
From: pete@introl.introl.com (Pete Ikusz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Alternate keyboards
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:23:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: introl.1992Apr15.202355.25385
Organization: Introl Corp.

I know there are people out there that love the layout of the
standard DEC keyboard. Unfortunately I am not one of them.

Does anyone know of a 3rd party keyboard manufacturer?

All/any help would be appreciated. (Other than "get used to it" !)

Thanks,
-Pete
-- 
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Pete Ikusz	Introl Corporation	pete@introl.com
Xref: sparky comp.sys.dec:2472 comp.unix.ultrix:3740
From: woody@gergo.tamu.edu (Woody Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Printcap for DecLaser 3200 (LN08r)
Keywords: printer, sysadmin
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:59:00 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.dec
Organization: TAMU
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'm hoping that someone can help me with a printcap entry for a DecLaser3200
(LN08r) I am running Ultrix 4.2a.

Thanks,
Woody Lee
Research Associate
Texas A&M University


Xref: sparky comp.sys.dec:2590 comp.sys.hp:5271 comp.text.frame:1593 comp.periphs.printers:1463
From: bri@nic.cerf.net (Brian Rice)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.hp,comp.text.frame,comp.periphs.printers
Subject: DECstation 5000/25 --> QMS-PS800
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:08:00 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.dec
Distribution: na
Organization: CERFnet

I have a DECstation 5000/25 with a QMS-PS000 printer attached and am
trying to get lpr set up so I can print my Frame docs (I used to run
this on a Sun).  Problem is, the QMS is considered a "3rd party" printer
(like the ones in the lprsetup directory are really built by DEC, yeah)
and nothing I have tried so far will work.  Anybody have a QMS-anything
hooked up to *any* flavor of DECstation?  I'm sure the setup (which I'm
sure your bled through) would be the same ... it's that .a archive file
that's out to get me I'd bet.
Any help would be appreciated ... a printcap file example would earn
respect and admiration to go along with it. :-)

--
Bri
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix,isu.cc.vincent
From: mdchaney@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (M Darrin Chaney)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms
Subject: tps benchmarks for VAX 3900
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:56:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: bronze.1992Apr6.165642.5570
Organization: Indiana University

Does anyone have the TPPC results for a VAX 3900.  I'm particularly
interested in the tpsA-Local.

Thanks for your help.

	Darrin
-- 

mdchaney@iubacs mdchaney@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu mdchaney@rose.ucs.indiana.edu

"It's a marvel of vegetable containment..."
From: terry@esrg.ucsb.edu (Terry Figel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: rlogin from Dec 5000/240 to sun hangs
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:05:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsbcsl.4094
Reply-To: terry@esrg.ucsb.edu (Terry Figel)
Organization: UCSB Earth Space Research Group

I am running 4.2a on a Dec 5000/240, rlogins to the  Sun machines have a tendency
to hang with nothing echo'ed to the terminal
It works fine about 30% of the time.


Is this a fixable bug?

email to me and I will post a summary
thanks 
	-Terry
From: holsberg@pilot.njin.net (Peter J. Holsberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Speaker_Schedule!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:20:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: pilot.Apr.6.21.20.13.1992.28202
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


The speaker schedule for TCF '92 is now available via ftp to 
	pilot.njin.net

Get /pub/TCF/tcf/92-talks.

Sorry to be so late with this.

Pete
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: jeff@dspprd.sps.mot.com (Jeff Enderwick)
Subject: TENEX shell question!!!
Organization: /tmp_mnt/auto/home_dsp/users/jeff/.organization
Distribution: comp
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:14:26


Hi!

	I have heard that the old DEC TENEX (sp?) shell had an as-you-type
	command completion feature. Is this true ? The reason that I'm asking
	is that someone has patented the data structures that would be needed
	to implement such a shell. If you're going to reply, email would 
	be nice! 

	thanks much, 

	jeff@dsp.sps.mot.com
From: sarff@gsrc.enet.dec.com (Kent Sarff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: VMS 5.5/POSIX
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:11:39 GMT
Reply-To: sarff@gsrc.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO


>In article <1992Apr13.163724.10597@linus.mitre.org>, cazier@mbunix.mitre.org >(Cazier) writes:

>I would like to find out if the VMS 5.5 OS enhancements can really provide
>users with a UNIX-like environment or not.

>I gather that VMS 5.5 provides a shell to users who wish to work in
>a familiar UNIX environment. Do I assume that this includes sccs, vi,
>lint, and various other tools that a UNIX programmer might use in the
>course of developing programs?

The subject of your article addresses the POSIX layered product available for
VMS V5.5.  An important thing to remember is that POSIX does not mean UNIX.  

There currently are twelve flavors of UNIX installed in significant numbers.  The environment provided by the POSIX layered product for VMS will be very similar to the UNIX environment you are using IF your UNIX environment is POSIX (1003.1, .2, and .4) compliant. Not all UNIX environments are POSIX compliant.
In fact, VMS installed with the POSIX layered product is more POSIX compliant than some "open" systems available on the market...

In general, when a customer asks for an "open" system, I ask them what that means and then deliver what they specify. Sometimes it's U*IX, sometimes it's VMS/POSIX.  To answer all of your questions, a vendor needs to know all your needs/problems.  That way, they can respond exactly to make you a satisfied customer.  This may seem trite, but there are a number of vendors out there hyping "open systems"  that are built on proprietary flavors of various operating systems/products.  To provide an "open" system





, the vendor needs to understand 1) your business, 2) your problem, and 3) how the customer and vendor can work together to make the customer sucessful. Off my soapbox.

The POSIX layered product provides POSIX-compliant interfaces/utilities in addition to the VMS interfaces utilities.  I believe that user accounts can be set up to run the VMS shell (DCL) or a POSIX-compliant shell.  I am not sure about all the details (pathnames, etc.), so talk to your Digital Sales and Pre-Sales Support reps for the specific information you need.

If all else fails, send me mail and I'll try and answer your questions.

--
            Kent Sarff
      sarff@gsrc.enet.dec.com 
     Digital - Colo. Spgs., CO
Digital is blameless for my rambling 
Xref: sparky comp.sys.dec:2475 comp.unix.ultrix:3742
From: cazier@mbunix.mitre.org (Cazier)
Subject: VMS 5.5 POSIX performance
Organization: Houston, TX
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:05:25 GMT

Anyone have any info on the performance of VMS 5.5 vs VMS 5.5/POSIX
and VMS 5.5/POSIX vs Ultrix/POSIX?

Someone gave me a heads up that fork()'s were a rather expensive call
under VMS. There may be other performance issues as well.

Your input is welcome.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.dec:2461 comp.os.vms:8022
From: Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the speaker on my 4000 model 60 ??
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:29:03 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

So how ARE you "playing sound on (your) 4000 model 60?"  I've got one on 
loan for a brief time and want to try this while I have the chance.  I 
know how to go into SYSGEN and CONNECT SOA0 / etc... but THEN what?  How
do I make SOA0: _do_ anything?  I've tried the naive expedient of simply
doing a "COPY filename SOA0:", but that produced a few clicky noises in 
a telephone handset plugged into the little jack, and nothing else.  (Oh,
and "switching the switch" on the front panel, did NOT make the clicky
sounds "go away from the handset and/or appear at the built-in speaker"
for ME EITHER.)

Chris Chiesa
  Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec