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From: antond@microsoft.com (Anton Dejong)
Subject: Re: Aubrey Waggoner
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:45:33 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa

Aubrey Waggoner along with Andy Nezelek were recently picked by the
Mariners.

From Baseball America, 1/11/93:

"Seattle signed righthander Andy Nezelek and outfielder Aubrey Waggoner
from the minor league free-agent pool.  Both played in the Braves
organization in 1992.  Competition for Nezelek, 27, necessitated giving
him a major league contract.  He missed the 1991 season because of an arm
injury, but was an effective reliever last year, going a combined 9-2,
2.14 at Double-A Greenville and Triple-A Richmond.  Waggoner, 26, once
a top prospect with the White Sox, is coming off his best pro season
(.265-15-51) at Greenville and Richmond)."


Nezelek has a decent shot at a reliever spot with the Mariners.  But
Waggoner will probably wind up starting for the AAA Calgary
Cannons - a number of Calgary outfielders/Mariner prospects were
lost to Minor league free agency this year.

Anton
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From: bacchus@bnr.ca (Mark Bacchus)
Subject: Re: Braves signing...
Keywords: Bedrosian
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Norcross, GA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:39:48 GMT

mcgill@lds.loral.com (Chris McGill 5471) writes:
>Yeah, the BRAVES bullpen could use some help, but it seems it is always
>in that state.  

I've heard that Steve Bedrosian has been invited to join the Braves for
Spring Training.  I haven't heard much about Bedrock in a while.  Does
he have any of his old stuff left?  What are his chances of making
it into Atlanta's bullpen this year?

-- 
Mark Bacchus
bacchus@bnr.ca
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From: Greg Ridsdale <greg_ridsdale@ausqm1.sps.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Change the game?
Organization: Motorola
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:19:32 GMT

When i posted the above a had not seen the thread entitled Playoffs.  Oh
well,  I would still be interested in more opinions.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker)
Subject: Re: Tom Tippett and Defensive Average
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:27:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.001252.29498@meteor.wisc.edu> stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu (Stephen Jascourt) writes:
>Gary Huckabay writes:
>> When I talked to Tom and others at PtP, I was told they just use range
>> factor for defensive ratings.  Also, I wasn't aware the '92 PtP player
>> disk was out.  Any word on 5.0?
>
>Range factor. That explains some of the horrendous ratings of the past
>few years. The '92 PTP disk came out near the end of 1992. I haven't heard
>much on 5.0.

Considering that range factor correlates with an r-squared of about .1
with defensive average, yeah.

But if you do two things
1) Adjust games played by the number of strikeouts on the staff. For
every extra 27 K by the staff, deduct one game from the fielders (from
the teams 162 games at the position, with suitable fraction for
individuals).

2) Adjust the weightings of range factor so that assists are about
three times as valuable as putouts for infielders, and vice versa for
OF,

you can get r-squared with DA into the .5 range.

Except for 1B and C, of course. With the current design of fielding
statistics, you can't get anything for them.

New stat I would like to see added (that is very simple): unassisted
putouts. How many times you can catch a ball thrown to you tells me
nothing about how you field.

Clay D.
From: wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew Wall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: FBL, How is yours run??
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:16:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Organization: Hi, I'm Matt, and I'm...a Boston Red Sox fan

In article <93022.13552134EX5PH@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>, Michael S.
Matusiewicz <34EX5PH@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> wrote:
> 
> Question posed to you netters.  I have been involved in two different
> FBL and an curious on how others are ran.  If possible could you send me
> a list of rules and scoring schemas that you use in your league.  The
> reason for this I would like to start my own, and modify a little of
> what I have already.
> 
> thanks in advance, Michael
> 34ex5ph@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu

As a matter of fact, we could put up copies of rules of various leagues in
the archives (eucalyptus.cc.swarthmore.edu) ; if you want to submit your
rules, email them to me with information about yourself and the league at
the top and I will pop them in /rotisserie

- matt
wall@cc.swarthmor.edu

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From: tartaris@hsi.com (Bob Tartaris)
Subject: Re: Mets reserve infielders?
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:13:01 GMT

In article <UfK9z9m00iUzM3vVET@andrew.cmu.edu> "Scott W. Barek" <sb72+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>- Dose anybody know when the Mets are first comming to Pittsburgh for
>the 1993 season?

The Mets will be in Pittsburg on June 17, 18, 19 and 20.

Bob
-- 
Robert P. Tartaris                 +  "We can do no great things;           
 3M/HIS, Wallingford, CT           +   only small things with great love."   
  tartaris@hsi.com		   +          - Mother Teresa of Calcutta
    ...!uunet!hsi!tartaris         +                      
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: Sandberg (was Re: Ty Griffen)
Organization: Boo!  
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:18:08 GMT

In <C17w2o.8BB@Novell.COM> dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich) writes:

>In article <2272@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:

>>Thus spake 00bjgood@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu:

>>>There was talk of moving Ryno back to third when Griffen got
>>>to the majors. He was thought to be THAT good. Well anyway Ryno became 
>>>more than just a former MVP, he bacame the premier second baseman in
>>>history

>> Hee hee.
>> 
>> Do they really believe this in Chicago?  Talk about parochialism...

>Not only do many people in Chicago believe this, but elsewhere too. And  
>all of these people are not merely "parochial" fans, but also various  
>analysts, historians, coaches, managers, players...

>Hee hee.

Well, it sure is funny, since they must also think that Ronald Reagan was
the first president of the United States, and that the Revolutionary War
happened in 1976.  And, of course, they know that Jane Byrne was a
pre-eminent general in that war (and never told a lie), who led her 
troops to unexpected victory.

Greg 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: C Robert Claydon <cclaydon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: The Confusing Padres
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:43:56 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Hmmmm....

Looking over the current Padres roster, I am left wondering who is going to be 
their big men out of the bullpen, and who will be their starters in the middle 
infield?  Shipley and Stillwell? (Can you say 3 outs at the bottom of the 
lineup?)  Stillwell and Teufel?  Larry and Moe?

Anyway, if anyone from the San Diego area, or who knows of such things, could 
email me the Padres plans for their bullpen and infield, I would greatly 
appreciate it...

Rob
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: thornley@milli.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Subject: Re: Can a Below Average Player Help a Team?
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:20:19 GMT

In article <2620@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes:
>thf2@midway.uchicago.edu said:
[Discussion about Bichette largely omitted.  Dr. Dave is saying that Bichette
 is below average, and that Pittsburgh would not be improved by signing him
 to a three year contract at $200k/year (not that Dante would sign that
 contract).  The reason is that Pittsburgh is not in contention this year,
 and will not be in contention until Bichette is totally worthless, and that
 the ABs given to Bichette would be more valuable if given to youngsters to
 evaluate and season them.]

The problem here is that you have been previously arguing that a below-
average player has no value because he drags down a team in contention.
Here you seem to admit that Bichette could have value to a team in
contention that needs a trifle more outfield performance and therefore
can use an aging mediocrity on the bench if they have nothing better,
and cogently argue that aging mediocrities are of no value to rebuilding
teams.

My claim is that aging mediocrities do have some positive value, since
they can patch holes in contending teams, and can possibly be traded
for a mediocre prospect (i.e., somebody who might somehow be good) by
a rebuilding team to a contending team.
>
>Absolutely.  When the Pirates get (back) to that point, I'll the first to
>propose this kind of move.  In the meantime, they need to develop those
>prospects that Simmons is stockpiling, separate the wheat from the chaff 
>at Buffalo, turn Young and Martin into established major league players, 
>make plans for acquiring a young catcher, and generally accomplish the
>changing of the guard over the next 2 or 3 years.  If, at that time, there's
>a good reason to acquire Bichette to fill a hole, he'll still be around.  Or
>somebody like him.
>
Again, I agree with this paragraph (although, looking at the Buffalo program
at the game I went to last year, the wheat in Buffalo is Young, and the
rest of the team is chaff).  And there will *always* be an aging mediocrity
to fill an odd hole here or there.  What I am saying is that this
mediocrity will have some small value to the team in contention, and
therefore that he has some small positive value.

David Thornley
"I was placed in doubt when I thought I saw George Brett hit a home run."
- Descartes

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker)
Subject: Re: "NL has more speed, less power than AL"
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:30:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.004102.3824@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>
>I like the DH rule not because I particularly like high-run games (I don't);
>rather, I like the potential that it gives the manager at playing with the
>bullpen.  The manager no longer is obligated to pinch hit for the reliever
>while down two runs; he could use his relievers in spots more often, and
>(if he's intelligent) more effectively.
>

OTOH, it means a releiver is called into the game in mid-inning more
often, rather than at an inning break. This means more time for
everyone to wait for the manager to walk slooooooowly to the mound,
wave to the bullpen, have the releiver come in, get set, throw a few
times, and finally after 5 minutes have gone by we get to see baseball
again. I see this as a net negative from a fans POV.

And my opinion is against the DH. I like the idea of complete players,
of whether their weaknesses (pitcher batting, DH fielding) are enough
to compensate for strengths. And that means pitchers should have to
face more than just the ones they are specialized for ; I am getting
tired of the LH relief specialist who faces one or two LH batters and
than leaves, and the use of three, four, or more pitchers in one lousy
inning! If they are only capable of competing against a small subset
of the major leagues, than they probably don't relly belong in the
major leagues. And I wouldn't mind a rule which states that a pitcher
must face a minimum of 3-N batters, where N is outs, with teh
requirement waived if the opposong manager pinch-hits. Or only giving
the *team* ten warm-up pitches each inning (I know, this would be
dangerous for pitchers who are called in anyway.) The game sare
getting too long, and mid-inning substitutions of pitchers are a
substantial part of the problem.

Enough rant,

Clay D.

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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh Outfielder Cummings
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:59:40 GMT

In article <kbanaian.190.0@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu> kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:
>Midre Cummings is 21, came off a wonder 1991 season in the Midwest League 
>and played in the Sally all season with Salem.

A minor correction: Salem is in the Carolina League, which is generally
considered a step above the Midwest and Sally Leagues.  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian SPENCER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bryn Smith's Doritos (was Re: Lee Stevens to the Expos)
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:40:23 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <22JAN93.14759491.0162@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>>reporter asking Smith about the French Fries (is that best question they
>>can ask??) and Smith replied along the lines that he likes ketchup with his
>>fries and he also had a problem with Montreal not putting any ice in his
>>pop.  Sounds pretty stupid, I thought he was joking.
>>
>This story got a lot of coverage here in Montreal.  I don't recall
>the original source, and the tale may well have grown with the
>telling, but I never heard Smith or anyone else suggest it was a
>complete fabrication.
>
>As I recall, it was Smith's wife who used to drive to Plattsburgh, NY
>to buy "staples, like Doritos."  There was much humorous comment
>on the fact that the Smiths considered Doritos to be a staple.
>Furthermore, it was pointed out that Doritos *are* sold in Montreal.
>So Smith had to explain that what he wanted were *unflavored*
>Doritos, which are not sold here.  (You can get unflavored nacho chips,
>but they're not Doritos brand).
>
>Smith also supposedly said that when he asked for ice in his Coke,
>a waiter told him he was being stupid, since more ice -> less Coke.
>
>Tom Box
>CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
>

Actually, when the Cards were in town last summer, Bryn Smith was asked
on the radio show "Sports Phone" about that. He claims he was joking and
that it was taken completely out of context. I remember his first start
after that in a Cardinals uniform at the Big Owe. He gave up something
like 6 runs in 2/3 of an inning before being yanked. The crowd cheered
as he walked off the field. Man, the fans here can be cruel.

Brian Spencer (bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: silber@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Baseball Book Season Begins
Organization: Dept. of Computer Sci - University of Illinois
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:26:29 GMT



>I noticed the first two real arrivals of the baseball book 
>season.  First, the Great American Baseball Stat Book 1993 is
>out.  Very similar to last year's, with a few additions like
>park factor and disabled list data.  Second, the Steve Mann/Ken

The disabled list data sounds real interesting for those of us
who do tabletop replays. How does the presentation and information
compare with the STATS handbook?

thanks

.
-- 
ami silberman - janitor of lunacy
	silber@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Twins minor league prospects
Originator: rja@mahogany126
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:51:58 CST


Baseball America's list of top Twins prospects (via Sid
Hartman's gossip column, with my added comments):

1) Mike Trombley: RHP 3-2 3.30 ERA for the Twins.  A very good 
	curveball.  Struck out 5 in the first 2 innings vs Detroit.

2) Marty Cordova: OF hit .341 for Class A Visalia.

3) Scott Stahoviak, 3B hit .308. (#1 pick (1991?))

4) Rich Becker: OF hit .316.

5) Denny Hocking: SS hit .331.

6) Edgar Herrera: OF .347 for Elizabethton (Rookie League).

7) Todd Richie: (RHP?) 11-9 5.06 ERA for Visalia (#1 pick).

8) Alan Newman: (LHP?) 4-8 4.15 ERA for Class AA Orlando.  Nearly made
	the Twins lat year after an impressive spring training.

9) Dan Serifini: LHP #1 pick 1992, 1-0 (30 innings)in rookie league.

Some names not on the list: David McCarty 1B-OF, Pat Mears SS,
Paul Russo 3B. (Maybe they are on the Twins 40 man roster, therefor
not part of BBA ratings?)

McCarty was the Twins #1 pick in June 1991.
Mears was one of the 15 Twins protected from the expansion draft.
Andy McPhail says Mears or Hocking are the Twins SS of the future.

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
From: gbixler@dvorak.amd.com (Gary Bixler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: r.s.bb.c stuff...
Summary: Texas Baseball
Keywords: Texas
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:43:57 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas


I would be happy to be the contact for The University of Texas. As usual, Texas
is rebuilding after losing most of its team to the pros and having a fair number
of recruits accept large signing bonuses. As usual Gus will likely predict that
we will be lucky to finish 3 or 4 in the SWC but anything short of the almost 
annual trip to Omaha will be a disappointment. One interesting note this year is
a larger number of football players on the squad. Peter Gardere, the starting 
QB for most of the last 4 yrs has a year of elig. and will take a shot at third
base, and prize QB recruit Shea Morenz , highly recruited by the Blue Jays last
year, will get a look in the outfield. Also have a wide receiver being looked at
to fill Calvin Murrays position in center field. One concern Gus has mentioned
early is finding someone to  protect Brooks Keishnik in the batting order as 
Gus feels the team is a little short on offensive punch. The annual Varsity/
Alumni game is January 30 and should be quite a good showing for the exes and
always a lot of fun for the fans! 

Play Ball! 

Gary Bixler
Advanced Micro Devices
Strategic Marketing Engineer
Personal Computer Products Division
From: mdl@cypress.com (Matt Landrum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: r.s.bb.c stuff...
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:14:11 GMT
	<C19LM0.Iv9@athena.cs.uga.edu>
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center

In article <C19LM0.Iv9@athena.cs.uga.edu> peiper@athena.cs.uga.edu (Garfield) writes:


			   Richard
			   The PROUD Southern Bulldawg


According to Lewis Grizzard (I think), "How 'Bout Them Dawgs" is Latin for
"My but don't we have a lovely group of student-athletes".  Of course
Georgia stole that from Mississippi State :-)
--


Matt Landrum, CAD Engineer      | e-mail: mdl@cypress.com
Cypress Southeast Design Center | office: (601) 324-4609, FAX - 4614
1 Research Blvd, Suite 200      | "You can get what you want if you
Starkville, MS  39759           | know how to find it." -- Tower of Power
From: acker@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: r.s.bb.c stuff...
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:32:50 GMT
Reply-To: ACKER@oak.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

Howdy folks!
It's only two scant weeks until the start of the 1993 College Baseball
season..

Some people have already posted a willingness to post updates for their
respective schools.  I will be doing a Florida update as well as continuing
the SEC Update.

There are a couple of things I'd like to propose to the group.
1) A list of 'contacts' for each school.  This list will have names of people
who will be posting updates, or just a person who will be willing to answer
questions about a certain school or player.
2) A possible rec.sport.baseball.college Top 20/25 Poll.

Please, let me know what you think about the above.  I'm already going to
compile a list of 'contacts' for my own use.. if you would like to contribute,
be included on the list or just ask questions, send me mail.

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- Chad 'Mr.B' Jackson - "And they'll never see the likes of us again. . ."     -
- Perry Field Veteran -    -- Genesis, "Driving The Last Spike"                -
- And A Darn Nice Guy ----------------------------------------------------------
- Saints & Blue Jays, a Match made in Heaven (Or at least Gainesville, Fla.)   -
- Gator Baseball '93, Best Darn Scoreboard Graphics This Side Of DiamondVision -
- Florida:  #22 Collegiate Baseball, #23 Baseball America,  #?? USAWeekly      -
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From: acker@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Collegiate Contacts List (1/26/92)
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:49:58 GMT
Reply-To: ACKER@oak.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

Okay, here are the school contacts I have so far.

Southeastern Conference: Chad 'Mr.B' Jackson (tcj@math.ufl.edu)
  -- Mississippi State Bulldogs: Randy Loper (randyl@mces.msstate.edu)
  -- Georgia Bulldogs: Richard (peiper@athena.cs.uga.edu)
  -- Florida Gators: Chad 'Mr.B' Jackson (tcj@math.ufl.edu)

Pac-10:
  -- Stanford Cardinal: geddy@leland.stanford.edu
  -- Arizona Wildcats: Stephen Matheson (sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu)

Big 10:
  -- Purdue Boilermakers: Scott Kramer (esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu)

NAC:  Brett Schultz (brett@cs.bu.edu)
  (Contains UMaine, UDelaware, UVermont, UNew Hampshire, Northeastern,
   Drexel, UHartford and Boston U)

ACC:
  -- Duke Blue Devils: Will Barr (wabarr@acpub.duke.edu)

Wichita State Shockers: Darin McClellan (dmclelan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu)
Notre Dame Fighting Irish: George B. Ross (gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu)
 
I'd like to have a more representative list of contacts, so if you're out
there, sign up!

Also.. I've gotten positive feedback for the idea of the Top 25 poll.  Since
it is a bit of work to compile, I suggest that each person wanting to vote
send a Top 10, then I will compile from those votes a Top 25.
I'll probably start the vote-collecting this weekend.

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- Chad 'Mr.B' Jackson - "And they'll never see the likes of us again. . ."     -
- Perry Field Veteran -    -- Genesis, "Driving The Last Spike"                -
- And A Darn Nice Guy ----------------------------------------------------------
- Saints & Blue Jays, a Match made in Heaven (Or at least Gainesville, Fla.)   -
- Gator Baseball '93, Best Darn Scoreboard Graphics This Side Of DiamondVision -
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From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Arizona baseball: high expectations for '93
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:46:03 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1993Jan20.000939.6170@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson) writes:
>ARIZONA BASEBALL 1993: A PRESEASON UPDATE
>-----------------------------------------

 ...

>The expectations are high for a club that returns its entire pitching
>staff and 4 position players.  Baseball America ranks the Wildcats
>2nd in the nation to only LSU, while Collegiate Baseball has them
>sixth...

In contrast, the expectations are low for Florida State, which lost its 
entire pitching rotation to the pros.  

Not surprising that FSU does not appear in the preseason top 25.

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
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