From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: chi.test
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:43:41 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <1992Sep06.054821.14367@vpnet.chi.il.us>, lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us
(Gerry Swetsky) writes:
>In article <bclark.00jr@jupiter.chi.il.us> bclark@jupiter.chi.il.us (Brian
>Clark) writes:

>>Once in junk, everyone (okay, not everyone) loves to run automated
>>scripts/programs to automatically check the junk newsgroup for new
>>newsgroups and have them blindly added to the newsgroups file.
>>Works well if you only receive real newsgroups, but thats a completely
>>bad assumption to say the most.
>
>    That's not the way newsgroups are created in Usenet, however.  I
>    don't believe you want your intelligence insulted by my sitting
>    here and explaining the difference between Usenet and its RFD/CFV
>    method of creating newsgroups and alt's method where newsgroups may
>    be created merely at anyone's whim.
>
>    Are you aware of the difference between Usenet and alt?

Since I'm the idiot that started this thread, I'd better state for the record
that I *DO* understand the difference.  I just refer to the alt. hiarchy (sp?)
as part of UseNet, and alternative group of feeds that many places don't
carry...  When *I* refer to UseNet, I'm including the alt. groups unless
specified otherwise.  Sorry for the confusion!

>    I'm
>    convinced that if someone doesn't keep an eye on the bogus news-
>    groups in Usenet, that it will not be long before the difference 
>    will be barely distinguishable.  That's why I keep an eye on the
>    junk newsgroup here and send out the letters I do.  Despite the
>    ribbing I take from people on amiserv and other sites, I think
>    I'm doing something beneficial.

Keep in mind that there *IS* a structure to the alt. groups in creating new
newsgroups.  Just because someone starts one does NOT mean that it's a *LEGAL*
newsgroup!  (I just happen to enjoy many of the illegal newsgroups...)

>>He probably gets very few if any messages in junk, and the ones that do
>>are probably for real newsgroups because amiserv doesn't send him very
>>many wildcard'ed newsgroups.  rec.stuffed.turtle wouldn't make it to his
>>site.

>    On the contrary, I've found a few postings to bogus newsgroups
>    originating from amiserv.  Though I'm not about to try it, I
>    believe r.s.t would make it to amiserv and a thousand other sites
>    in Usenet.

Ahhh... But it still wouldn't make it to *MY* site, which is why I let the
system automatically generate the newsgroups...

>    Check your (or amiserve's) active file.  The following newsgroups
>    should *NOT* be in it:
>
>    <List Deleted>

>>How can you convince people not to run CheckJunk type programs?  Not easily.
>
>    If they're not interested in the well-being of Usenet, they shouldn't 
>    be System Administrators.  There's got to be a way to get through
>    to these people!

Thank you for refering to me in the third person yet again...  Should I ever
carry anything even close to resembeling a full feed (rather than the specific
handful of newsgroups that I do carry) then I'll start worrying about it. 
Meanwhile, if there is an extra post on alt.sex.woody-allen, I'm not going to
lose too much sleep...

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