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From: mangieri@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: December @ WDW
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:41:58 GMT

Can somebody make a distinction between visiting WDW 
the first week in December (December 2-6) vs. the second
week (December 9-13).

For instance, does the first week tend to have residual Thanksgiving
week crowds (Thanksg ivng is on November 26)?

Any other not-so-obvious considerations ? We can just as easily
go either week.

Also, could somebody comment on Dixie Landings vs. Port Orleans
vs. the Carribean hotels. We will be choosing one of them, and my
tendency right now is Dixie Landings. 
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From: snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes)
Subject: Disney Gets Back 'Wish' -- For Now
Organization: Will work for food, but not for DEC.
Date:  6 OCT 92 07:24:30    



                        Disney Gets Back 'Wish' -- For Now

   New York -- A federal appeals court granted the wish of lawyers for the Walt
Disney Co., lifting a lower court order that had limited how the entertainment
company could use its famous theme song, "When You Wish Upon a Star," pending
the outcome of an upcoming trial.

   Long an anthem for Disney, "Wish" is actually owned by Bourne Co., the
corporate successor to the estate of Irving Berlin, which retained all rights
to the 1939 song.  It was written by Leigh Harline and Ned Washington for the
movie "Pinocchio."

   In July, a federal judge issued a preliminary injunction barring Disney from
using the tune in trailers for its videocassettes.  The injunction was in
response to a 1991 Bourne suit against Disney.

   At issue is the interpretation of a clause in the agreement between Irving
Berlin and Disney that allows Disney to use the music in motion pictures.
Disney says the agreement allows it to use the music in all visual productions.

   But Bourne claims Disney violated its copyright to the song by using it in
advertising trailers for the Euro Disney theme park.

   Bourne attorneys have said the agreement only allows Disney to use the song
in feature films that are shown publicly and that any other use requires a
special license.

   In dismissing the lower court's injunction, Federal Appeals Court Judge
Ralph K. Winter wrote, "Disney's use of the song kept pace with technological
development."  The court said Disney has long used "Wish" in the ways that
Bourne says violates the contract, but Bourne only chose to sue last year.

   Lawyers for Bourne couldn't be reached for comment.  A lawyer for Disney
said the company was pleased with the ruling, which now lets a trial of
Bourne's claims proceed.

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From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Disneyana - Video Crew
Distribution: world
Date: 5 Oct 92 05:09:25 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

A video crew numbering between two and five people was at most of
the major events at the Disneyana Convention.  Word had it they were
taping for future use on the Disney Channel, but that there were so
many requests from attendees for copies that the Disney folks might
work on a videotape memento to offer those who were there.  So be
watching!
 

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From: jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: Tiki Birds Back & New Passageway
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:41:02 GMT

In article <Rich_Koster.0tj6@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US>,
Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster) writes:
> In a message dated Sat  3 Oct 92 15:56, Krol@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (ed Krol)
> wrote:
> 
> 
> >The Tiki birds are singing again now at the Magic Kingdom and there is a
> >*new* walkthru from Tiki/Adventureland to Bear Band/Frontierland.  
>  
>  KK> Hasn't this passageway been there for years?  Seems I took it 
>  KK> at least last time I was there 18 months ago.  And perhaps on
>  KK> earlier trips.
> 
> I heard this from Ed Sterrett, a Cast Member who works at WDW.  I didn't
> see it, as work was still being done in the Tiki area last weekend when I
> was there.  I remember the pass-through from Adventureland to Discoveryland
> where the restrooms are (that takes you into Discoveryland where the
> partial fort is -- next to the Diamond Horseshoe) but not a passageway at
> the Tiki birds area.
> 

  I may be wrong, but I think it was there in February of this year.


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From: greg@pomona.claremont.edu (Tigger)
Subject: Re: Star Tours
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:26:07 PDT

In article <BvGHw3.3r3@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, sturgeal@sage.cc.purdue.edu (tony sturgeon) writes:
> 
>    I was just wondering if anyone had heard if Disney and George Lucas
> had planned to make any changes to Star Tours.

There are rumors that several new "tours" will be added during the
renovation of Tomorrowland in Disneyland later this decade (1996 if
I recall the most recent date being bandied about).  I presume that
the new programs would be added at the other parks at about the same
time.

Cost was probably the reason that only one tour was created originally.
When first installed in Disneyland, each of the four simulator units
were rumored to cost millions of dollars just for the hardware, and
the programming is also disgustingly expensive due to the fact that
the tolerances for synchronization between the video program and the
simulator motions are *very* tight.  Plus, of course, simulators aren't
really very common (except for military training), so there aren't many
qualified programmers, and thus they command big bucks.

--
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From: Jenny.Lerew%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Jenny Lerew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Hauntend Mansion Rehab
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 23:48:33 PDT
Reply-To: Jenny.Lerew%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Jenny Lerew)
Distribution: world
Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092
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     Tony Baxter has decided to theme the future rehab of the Haunted
Mansion at Disneyland around the 1946 film version of Great Expectations
directed by David Lean.  Lifting the character of Mrs. Havisham the future
of the ride will reflect the story of her lost love for her jilting fiance
This story will unfold in such sequences of the ride as the conservatory,
which due to apparently innumerable complaints will have its unwilling 
corpse removed, and will display possibly the bride ghost awaiting the 
return of the afore mentioned lost love.  This also is a theme displayed
in the Phantom Manor in the Euro Disney Park.  The Ball Room sequence
will be decked out in rotted Wedding regalia.  The attic will be converted
into a bedroom sequence, contents of which is similar to the original
Yale Gracey/ Wathel Rogers concept of the Ghost bride attempted in the
"Heartbeating Bride." 
As for the October 1, shut-down for rehab the extant will basically consist
of replacing the ceiling scrim in the stretching room,cleaning up the
layers of spit which have found their way onto apparently anything within
reach and repainting of the faces of the ghosts.
We can all hope that the quality of the "New Technology" of the Leota head
does not reflect the future advances WDI has in store for this attraction.
Unfortunatly the Leota head was replaced due to the fact that it had been
paid for and hence must be used even if it reflects the quality not unlike
bad kinescoped episodes of Life of Riley.
From: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Cinderella's Castle WDW
Date: 5 Oct 1992 03:19:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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From the majority of the rumors I've heard, Walt Disney modeled his
castle after Neuschwanstein Castle near the town of Fuessen, Bavaria
in Germany.  This castle, which is one of my favorite buildings in
the whole world, was built for King Ludwig II, aka Crazy Ludwig of 
Bavaria in the late 1800s.  It was supposedly inspired by the romantic
operas of Richard Wagner, of whom Ludwig was a patron.  It's set in the
Alps and it's absolutely gorgeous, IMHO.  If you look in any travel guide
to Germany or Bavaria, there will be a picture--this castle is the biggest
tourist attraction in Germany.  
Linda
-- 
"Let everything that has breath praise the Lord"----Psalm 150:6
Calvin: "A penny for your thoughts." 
Hobbes  "Sorry.  My thoughts are a buck apiece."
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From: smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: "Kidnapping" at Disneyland
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:11:36 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Followup-To: rec.arts.disney
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep21.164847.14891@PA.dec.com>, snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes:
>>Again - how many of the estimated 100,000 did you hear about last year? I
>>heard of maybe - geez I don't know 25 perhaps? The odds seem pretty
>>damn low that most would come to your attention.

>Well, you know, not all 100,000 of them occurred in the L.A. area.

I once called the FBI and asked about the number of kidnapping cases they get
every year where some family member is _not_ a suspect.  Turns out they that,
according to the gentleman I spoke with, they have a special category for that.
The year I called, which was '88 or '89 it was 60-some.  And it has averaged
around that for years.  The vast majority of "kidnappings" in this country are
custody battles among parents and other relatives.  Few of them are real,
child-stalking lunatics out to get some kid they have no other connection to.

Most of the kidnappers/murders they find fall into the serial-killer paradigm.
Most such killers specialize in one type of victim, and a few specialize in
children.  It _does_ happen - but the degree of hysteria created by such
silly numbers as the quoted one cause massive paranoia without a concomittant
increase in security.  The sad and simple fact is, you cannot protect your
child from a serial killer any better than you can protect yourself.  If you
or your child is exposed by the modus operandi of the killer, you will become
targets.  Maybe if you were _really_ paranoid, refusing to leave your house
without armor, getting an armed escort for shopping, etc. you could realist-
ically reduce your chances - but then, you're courting an involuntary
commission, too.

Your chances of running afoul of a serial killer are the about the same as
your kids, and both of them are far lower than the likelihood of getting hit
by lightening.  The lesson is clear: take reasonable precautions, and don't
get insanely paranoid by scarey fund-raising attempts.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
-
How about we all do something reasonable?  I bet that'll confuse 'em!
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From: geek@media.mit.edu (Chris Schmandt)
Subject: Re: Star Tours
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:14:08 GMT

In article <1aq2g8INNj71@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic) writes:
>
>I've never experienced Star Tours, but I have been through the Tour of the
>Universe in the CN Tower in Toronto. I was very impressed by this, it had
>a nicly themed "space port" that you went through before the ride and the
>ride itself had a large simulator "ship" that held about 50 people with 
>good motion and video. If anyone has been to both how do they compare?

Absolutely no comparison!  These are totally different animals.
From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Tiki Birds Back & New Passageway
Distribution: world
Date: 3 Oct 92 08:30:37 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

The Tiki birds are singing again now at the Magic Kingdom and there is a
*new* walkthru from Tiki/Adventureland to Bear Band/Frontierland.  I hear
this was added mainly in response to a recent Cast Survey. Now you can
move a little quicker between Adventureland and Frontierland, without
having to walk "around the ends"..  <g>
 
So now the guidebooks will have to be updated to tell everyone about the
new shortcut to Splash Mountain in addition to the pass through where the
bathrooms are between Adventureland and Frontierland!  There is now
another route the runners can take in the morning at the rope drop!

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From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: I am Miss America! I was Ariel!
Distribution: world
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:41:24 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

If any of you went to the Disney-MGM Studios Theme Park between
December 1991 and June 1992 and watched and enjoyed "The Little
Mermaid" stage show there, and also found something familiar
about 1993's Miss America Leanza Cornett, who competed as Miss
Florida from Winter Park, give yourself a Mickey!  Cornett
withdrew from Jacksonville University in December 1991 to work
full-time as Ariel (maybe one of a few also working) for Disney
at that attraction.  According to the Orlando Sentinel 9/27/92
Cornett became involved in the pageant circuit in March-June of
this year, and there's controversy over whether she ever
officially returned to school and misrepresented her student
status before entering the pageants leading up to Miss America,
which is a thread having nothing to do with Disney.  Back on
topic, two facilitators (leaders, instructors) for the "Innovations
in Action" backstage tour we took Sunday morning seemed genuinely
surprised to know that a Miss America came from their ranks, as if
the first they learned about it was when they read it in the morning
paper, same as us.  Cornett is a professional singer-actor.
 
 
 

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From: brenda@bookhouse.Eng.Sun.COM (Brenda Bowden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Magic Kingdom special hours, plus Re: Various WDW Questions
Date: 6 Oct 1992 18:39:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <1992Oct6.133516.9424@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> mangieri@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>Please take a shot at any of these that you have knowledge
>of:
>
>1) I have been informed that guests of Disney (on-site) resorts
>are admitted into the Magic Kingdom 1 hour early and onto
>"selected rides" (and only on certain days of the week). This
>feature replaces the Magic Morning Breakfast that includes food.
>Can somebody describe what this feature is like ? Which rides
>and/or parts of the MK are actually open. Are Disney characters
>walking around ?
>
>2) Is there anything new at any of the parks since March (besides
>Splash Mountain). We were there in March and are returning the
>week of December 8.
>
>3) What kind of weather could be expected at this time of the year
>in central Florida. I am from Houston, is it similar ?
>
>4) Is it realisitic to attempt something like Typhoon Lagoon that
>time of the year ?
>
>5) I have had a character breakfast at the Polynesion, and it was
>wonderful. Any opinions on which might be even better. Keep
>in mind that this time we will have the kids along (4yo and 1.5yo
>boys).
>
>Thanks. 


I would also like this information, as I'll be at the park at the same time,
also with a 4 year old boy. 

In addition, I have a question about the Magic Kingdom hours on Dec. 11 and
12. Someone posted the hours with a note that the MK will close at 6, then
reopen at 8:00 for special ticket holders. Are these special tickets available
to the public?  If so, does anyone know how to get them?

Thanks!

Brenda Bowden
From: bd670@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Russell I. Dyreng)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Magic Kingdom special hours, plus Re: Various WDW Questions
Date: 6 Oct 1992 21:53:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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 brenda@bookhouse.Eng.Sun.COM (Brenda Bowden) writes:

>I would also like this information, as I'll be at the park at 
>the same time, also with a 4 year old boy.
>
>In addition, I have a question about the Magic Kingdom hours on 
>Dec. 11 and 12. Someone posted the hours with a note that the 
>MK will close at 6, then reopen at 8:00 for special ticket 
>holders. Are these special tickets available to the public?  
>If so, does anyone know how to get them?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Brenda Bowden

I have heard similarly about Disneyland.  I was told that on 
early closing days (ie off-season) that the park reopens later
on in the evening for company parties and the like.  I was also
told that on an early closing day you can ask a cast member if
there is a private party scheduled for that evening.  If there 
is then you are supposed to be able to mill around for a while
until the rides start up again and enjoy the park with the 
private party.  

This sounds like it could be the making of an urban legend.  I
really don't know.  Is there a present or former cast member 
out there who can confirm or deny this?  Denise of Critter 
Country?  Anybody?

-- 
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From: krol@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed Krol)
Subject: Re: Tiki Birds Back & New Passageway
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:18:29 GMT

Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster) writes:

>The Tiki birds are singing again now at the Magic Kingdom and there is a
>*new* walkthru from Tiki/Adventureland to Bear Band/Frontierland.  I hear
>this was added mainly in response to a recent Cast Survey. Now you can
>move a little quicker between Adventureland and Frontierland, without
>having to walk "around the ends"..  <g>
> 
Hasn't this passageway been there for years?  Seems I took it 
at least last time I was there 18 months ago.  And perhaps on
earlier trips.

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From: julie@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Julie Hu)
Subject: WDW lodging
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:15:54 GMT

I am interested in lodging information outside WDW.  Has anyone stayed at the
Days Inn in Orlando?  Are there any recommendations on any other inexpensive
places? Comfort Inn?  Any info would be appreciated! :-)
From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Disneyana - Video Clip Wanted
Distribution: world
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:13:07 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

This message is posted in an effort to further assist someone we
chatted with while waiting in line for one of the presentations at the
1st Disneyana Convention this past weekend in Orlando.  If any of you
has what this gentleman is looking for, please contact *him* directly
at the address and telephone number below and make arrangements
directly with *him*.  He knows we are doing this post for him.
 
This man and his wife had the luck of being two of the first 40
people to enter EuroDisneyland when it opened in April.  He was
shown or interviewed about it he thinks on ABC-TV's "Good Morning
America" and he is trying to locate as a memento any of the video
clips which made it on air showing him and his wife and the crowd
rushing to enter EuroDisneyland.  He seems very nice and was very
interesting about what Euro is like compared to the other three
Disney parks.
 
The man is just under 6 feet tall, has a round face, mostly silver/
salt & pepper colored hair, full head of hair like Siskel (or is it
Ebert) has, a silver moustache, same hair coloring and build and body
and face shape as Siskel (or is it Ebert), also looks like one of the
two plumbers in an extra-strength Liquid Plumber commercial I've seen
on TV, guessing he would be 40-something years old, was wearing a
purple winter coat when a part of the crowd running into the park on
opening day.  His wife Mary has long brown-reddish hair down her back,
center part, no bangs, was wearing a blue coat at the time.
 
Contact:  Mr. Ron Davidson, 9301 Ingalls St., Westminster CO 80030
(303) 690-1500.
 
We had only a few video clips from The Today Show, CNBC and the CBS-TV
special and so couldn't help him.  Thanks for any help you can offer.
 
--Carol Koster, Rich Koster's wife
 

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From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Disneyana - All-Star Resorts
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:48:43 GMT
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

It was announced at the Disneyana Convention by Dick Nunis, Chairman
of Walt Disney Attractions, that the resort expansion at WDW continues
with the building of a new resort that will have a sports and
entertainment theme.  The rooms will be $60 a night (at least by
today's dollars if inflation changes things by the time the resort
opens) and will have smaller rooms than Disney's other moderately
priced resorts (which start at $85 a night).
 
A press release from the Disney Press & Publicity Department has this
to say about it:
 
"Other breaking news fom Walt Disney World Resorts:"
 
"With Dixie Landings, the newest moderately priced Disney resort, now
completely open, ground is being broken this fall on yet another
themed resort in the moderate range.  Disney's All-Star Resorts will
have sports and music themes.  When completed, they will feature 3,800
rooms, giving Disney almost 9,000 moderately priced units."
 
"Walt Disney World operates a total of 12 fantasy resorts, including a
campground and vacation ownership club, offering more than 11,000
accomodations."
 
By way of comparison, Disney's All-Star Resorts is much larger with
3,800 rooms compared to Dixie Landing's 2,048 rooms and Port Orleans'
1,008 rooms.

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