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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:11:39 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re:first year persons
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>    And follow that too....but from my experience, the feds, the registrar,
> the people who worry about pre-requisites and "upper division classes" and
> all those kind of things still figure 0-30 hours for frosh, 31-64 for
> soph, etc .   substitute your own local numbers, of course.

So what? We use credits/courses as the defining characteristic: if
you've had so many hours, thus and so is the case.  I don't think
fresh man/first year even appears in the catalog.

>    So someone could be a frosh but 3rd year, depending on which type
> we were talking about.  And vice versa, etc.  And then when you add in
                                                                        ....
Right. That's what this system takes into account.

> the "non traditional students" who may be first year in school but OL
> with a different "first year student's experiences and outlook" from the
> 17 year old....

We don't have many of these, but if they have never been to college,
they are similar to other first year students in a lot of ways.

It took me 9 years to graduate from college--I don't think any of
these systems is perfect.  But we use this one, it works for us, and
I like it.

Karen
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:26:56 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      RE: Little Aaron Tyler
              17 Aug 1992 14:17:32 CDT from <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>

On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:17:32 CDT Bandwidth Pig said:
>>Any ideas on a baby gift; it's been 15 years since I had to buy for a
>>baby boy.
>
>Yeah, get him a Barbie doll so he grows up "sensitive and caring."

Yeah, but I don't want him to think that women are supposed to look like
Barbie.  I didn't play with Barbie dolls when I was a kid.
>
>-abh

Evelyn
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: quiet
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> Posted on 19 Aug 1992 at 22:26:23 by Nancy Harwood
> although I do wish I hadn't missed Phil Gramm's speech.

I personally don't believe you missed anything.

Karen
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:23:19 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject: RE: Gender

>But you said that native speakers automatically know when words like
>"man" are being used to include women.  If that is the case, how can
>native speakers be in disagreement about some of the examples?

Fee, Fi, Fo, Fum--I smell the blood of an objectivist.

All I'm saying is that seeing sexism in the use of he/his
generically is the same as giggling at the pronunciation of
Uranus.  Make sense?  In the end, the gigglers won (for a while)
and when voyager was flying by Uranus it was with a different
stress.

>> around for holes in the whole, as the Poles say.  Would you say
>> that because "person" in the Constitution did not include black
>> people that it is now racist to use person in connection with
>> someone who is black?
>
>Sorry.  This analogy just won't work.

Why not?  I thought it was pretty much right on target
considering the example of "all men are created equal."  But
really, why not?  Where does the analogy break down?

And if you don't like first-ball-in, let's switch to bridge.
Everybody, say, does not bid a short club.  But aha! you say, a
bid of one club could mean low points and no five card major--and
even almost no clubs.  Now you bid a short club--you tell me what
it means to you.  Has my consciousness been raised?  I guess it
has with respect to what *you* mean by a bid of one club.  But
why should you assume that when *I* bid a club I've joined the
convention.  When I use he/him generically, I mean everybody.
You might convince me that it's important to play your
convention.  You might not.  That's the political part.  There's
nothing inherent in a bid of one club--and there's nothing
inherently sexist in the generic he/him.  As I said above,
there's a pun involved that some folks want to focus on for the
sake of a political cause.  It's a good cause, a bad pun, and in
the end, if everyone plays a short club, when I bid a club I had
better be aware of the fact, since that would then be how the
game is played.

     And certainly language doesn't exist in a vacuum (except
when I put my radio where the bag's supposed to be).  It doesn't
exist in a vacuum at all.  *That's* why sexism cannot be embedded
in a language.  (Embedded was Carol's term.)  It can only be
embedded in the slight that you feel and can convince me to
sympathize with.  I return to Uranus.

Thanks btw for the cite for instruction on better strategies to
deal with gender-neutral language.  I actually deal with it
pretty well when I have to bother--when I know my partner's
likely to be playing a short club and I'm dealing from a full
deck.  But I'll look it up.

-Mka
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:16:28 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: List wars
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              92 2:09 pm

> Get a load of this guys:
>
> If all 182 Wordslers subscribe to LITERARY, I think we could take
> the thing over.  Has anything like that ever been done?
> Infiltration of an enemy list?

	Yes.  In recent memory as a matter of fact (BTW, I had no
idea word count could be such a hotly debated topic).

Rita
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:23:00 EST
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Subject:      Heat lightning

Greetings,

It's not clear to me what is meant by the assertion that there is no
such phenomenon as "heat lightning" (if that, in fact, is what has been
asserted).

My Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Weather says "heat
lightning" is the phrase used to describe  a "flash so distant that we
see it light up the sky only above the storm" and so distant that no
thunder is heard.  This is similar enough to the description offered
previously.  So, this is what "heat lightning" means.  The phenomenon
does, in fact, occur, and this is its common name.  What gives?

Marty Rosen
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:13:54 EDT
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Thank Goodness for Torkel

>  >Is Gevalia coffee considered "upscale" in Sweden ?  Here it shows
>  >up most often at theatre intermissions and so on, at a high price.
>
>  No, it's standard coffee here, one of the biggest brands. I guess
>it's expensive in North America chiefly because it is a small-scale
>import.

 There's a mail-order outfit called Gevalia Kaffe Import Service,
 based in Des Moines.  I got the recipe for Swedish crayfish that I
 posted a couple of weeks ago from some of their literature.  Pricey:
 $4.25 per 1/4# plus s&h, but you can order in any quantity and at
 any frequency, and they offer some useful gifts as come-ons (e.g.,
 sealed coffee cannister, 4-cup Melitta drip coffemaker).  --brad
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:41:57 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Weird
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On Tue, 18 Aug 1992, Dan Lester wrote:

> "there are eight ways to put a floppy in the drive....but only one of them
> is interesting."
>
> He is sure that he had people trying ALL eight positions.

With a challenge such as his *I* certainly would see if I could discover
the eight ways.

Doris (who is a tad upset with Hubby because he did not call me to the TV
when my highschool classmate introduced Phil Gramm at the Republican
convention)
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:35:00 EDT
From:         GILBERT SMITH <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      (Copy) Re: Re: Today's Trivia
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> Query - did either you or he have an Edsel?  If not, why were the wrenches
> around to be stolen?
.
I <had> an Edsel in a dream once.  It hurt like hell, with all that
funny chrome stuff on the grill.
.
> >disappeared several months afterward and was last seen sitting under
> >a palm tree on Isla Mujeres yelling <fuera fuera> at a pack of
> ><beagles> passing by in search of food.  Horace is *not* bright.
> That is to be surmised - if he was yelling at beagles, who don't understand
> his language.....
>
The Isla Mujeres beagles understand <fuera fuera> just as Ruby
understands <comida comida>....  Beagles are intelligent creatures.
> >
> --
> Nethead, aka the Ruth Hanschka, hath enscribed herein, a message
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:53:54 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Free Press strikes again...
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>liasion" was an open secret.
>
>At least, she spells her name right ...

Oh, wow, if this turns out to be true, can you even imagine the hilarious
accusations and counter-accusations we are gonna have from both those guys:

"Well, *I* kissed *my* Gennifer, can you say that about yours?"

"Well, I took my Jennifer to parties in the Great Hall of the People in Peking,
can you say that?"

"Maybe not, I was too busy trying to give the state of Arkansas back to the
people, but if I had been in Peking, I can assure the American people I would
have done no less. But I stood by my Gennifer's right to choose, how bout you?"

"That was never a problem with my Jennifer because she supports traditional
family values."

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:10:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Why I Couldn't Find the RAM!
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> This leads to the classic joke about how to tell if somebody is
> a computer geek - ask them to count to ten with their fingers and
> see if they need more than one hand.
>
> --karsten

I thought a computer geek was a guy who could only count to
twenty one and that only with his pants down.
--ggs
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
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Subject: Re: signs of the times
Date: 11 Aug 92 22:20:10 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM writes:

>     In approximately Redwood City, CA, you can see my favorite sign
>     in the world from Hwy 101:  Peninsula Screw and Bolt Co.

Hey, what happened to staying around and cuddling afterward?  

Well... at the very least, leaving a tip?
\
-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:01:10 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Rod's baby
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> >   Is this the
> > first baby born to a wordsler while they've been subscribed to the list?
> Rod Kessler.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Yes, but the baby actually popped out of Rod's wife, I believe.  It's
different.(But I must say that I think Rod sounds like a great
father.  This comment is not meant to diminish his role in the process.)

Karen
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:39:49 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Music Junkie
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>>Come Saturday I'll be going off-net.  I can't afford Drew any longer,
...
>	No, no, no!!  Say it ain't so, Adam.  You'll be sorely missed.  Be sure

Let me folks tell you a few things about Adam. In the past 8 months this young
man, this 20-year-old <kid>, has taught me things about friendship, and
loyalty, and letting go, and prejudice, and opening up, and taking risks, and
allowing yourself to be vulnerable, that I hope stay with me the rest of my
life. As you get older, it becomes increasingly difficult to make close
friends, real friends. Adam has been that for me. He's been a confidante, an
ally, a shrink with an IP address. Not being able to finger @drew.drew.edu any
time of the day or night and see a friendly process that I can initiate a TALK
session with is going to be hard to take.

Of course, we've bonded; anyone who has been out in the IRC channel #bandwidth
has been horrified how many times Adam and my messages are identical. And we
won't stop being friends just because it gets a lot harder for him to be on the
net. It'll get more expensive, yes...:-)

Well, you get the picture. I just had to make one embarrassing gesture on the
net for the kid. Something to get pressed into that stupid Usenet CD for all
eternity. Or at least until he finds cheap local telnet access.

-abh
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*** Resending note of 08/17/92 12:13



>Nora:  You got shot 6 times in the tabloids.
>Nick:  Nonsense, they never got near my tabloids.

Reminiscent of the old Burns and Allen radio routines.

"Say good night Gracie"...."OK, good night Gracie!".

Don, who grew up in a kinder, gentler nation.
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      Today's Trivia

Haven't had much time for E-Mail - too much work :-(.  Well, years ago
I was stationed in Newfoundland and worked for a Sergeant Major who was
British, actually seemed to come from a movie with a stero-typed vision
of a male, proper, British nanny .. tall, slim, balding, gentle...did
not fit usual image of a Sergeant Major.  Anyway, he drove an MG convertible..
as about an inappropriate vehicle as one could imagine in Newfoundland.
Think he was going thru his second childhood, kind of reminds me of ggs ..
and maybe someone else when I shave...anyway, he delighted in scaring
riders - only one at a time - no back seat - by approaching intersections
and making square turns without slowing down a bit ...the little MG was
quite stable in turns.  So here is the trivia question ...I arrived at
work before anyone called in with answer so don't know the answer myself,
although do know selections....what is the meaning of the initials MG?

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:36:36 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Rolled trousers and peaches

>> That's the thing about Rita--she's got an even disposition--
>> always angry.
>
>        Huh?
>
>Czarina

You left out "Oh, go etherise yourself"--I only meant to say that
you can always be counted on to say something sweet, Rita.

Pardon me now while I go etherise myself.

Always obliging
-Mka
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*** Resending note of 08/13/92 15:27

>thanks, don.....that was a GOOD diet coke.....

>dan in baked potatoland....where more fires started last nite....

Your welcome Dan.  BTW, can I send you some of our daily storms for the
fires...*every* day now ....lightning, etc.  Have actually had PC go out
during storm several times ...no fear here, besides these pieces of junk
don't belong to me ....but I guess there tough...unfortunately they come
back to life....oh well, SOMEDAY will catch up with the rest of the world.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:19:00 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK%IUBACS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Sloooooow

Is the net slow today or what?  The Porridge post went out around
10:30 and came winging back at 12:20.  Is it local or global?
Anybody else having trubs with speed?

-Mka
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 07:51:11 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Wait up!
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> > Way back when, as a child watching Saturday cartoons, I heard someone say
> > "Wait up!"  I subsequently said this to my mother in the grocery store or
> > something, and she said, "Don't say that.  Yankees say 'wait up.'"
>
> Well, what do you all say if you don't say that?  Or do y'all just
> walk so slowly there's no need for the expression???:)  (Hmm...this is
> one of the first things I learned to say in Japanese....)>
> Karen
> who really *does* want to know

I think what I'd say is "wait for me."  Or maybe "wait a minute."
BTW, some of us walk *very* fast...which is probably why Susan said "wait
up" in the first place. :-)
ndh
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Subject:      Re: Gramm crackers

Greetings,

I don't find it at all difficult to forgo giving Bush a hat, but I don't
understand the pretentious symbolic message attached to said hat, so...
As for the notion the President can act in foreign policy but not in domestic
matters without the assistance of Congress, I beg to differ.  Gramm and his
sympathizers attribute the fall of the evil empire to the military buildup
undertaken by the US during the 80s.  This buildup required massive outlays
of cash in the form of transfers from the US taxpayer to some of its
more prominent corporate citizens (and by trickle-down, to thousands of
less important wage-earners).  None of those outlays (of money borrowed
from future taxpayers, by the way) could have taken place without the
Congress (and most especially without the House of Representatives, which,
as Bill Sjostrom enjoys pointing out on occasion, must originate all bills
of appropriation).

I, too, approve of Washington gridlock.  The Economist World Atlas and
Almanac has this pithy sentence in its article on the US: "Americans have
made astute use of the governmental checks and balances laid down by
the constitution by frequently electing a president from one party while
giving control of Congress to another."

Marty Rosen
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:52:20 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Good evening to you all
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> Dan, Why 5:37 p.m.? I always wait until it is dark outside to say "good
> evening."  Mothers learns that when they tells their kids it is time to
> come inside for the evening and they say "but Mom, it's not dark yet!"

Even in a northern latitude on a summer night?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Why I Couldn't Find the RAM!
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> The Maxtor is probably a little bit noisier than the Connor.  Have a
> listen before you buy if you think it might bother you.

I think that's exactly what he said.  He seems more interested in quiet
disks than I am.  I kind of like hearing a whir.  This one is almost
totally silent.

> >looking lonesome.
>
> Put it on the same shelf with Windows, and they can growl at each other.

I don't want OS/2 tainted by the likes of Windows.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: List wars

>Don't mind Michael. He/She worships me this week, but entropy will change that

Is that "Don't mind Michael" or "Don't mind, Michael."  ???

-Mka
From: kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA (Agnes Kruchio)
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>
> >Down boy --I saw it & it wann't sooo bad...
> >
> >Agnes
>
> Which is to say it wann't so good either.   Which isn't true.
>
> -Mka
>
Picky picky..
Justt trying to be supportive -- there seems to be no pleasing
some people - ...Sheesh...A
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Subject:      Rejected again

And the sixth reject just came rolling in.  Like tennis with a
backboard.  Very tedious.

-Mka
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From:         "Elwood P. Dowd" <ELWOOD%UCSBVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Republican convention
              19 Aug 1992 08:39:13 CDT from <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>

On Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:39:13 CDT Absolut Bandwidth said:
>Can anyone remember a campaign where the wife of a candidate was campaigned
>against as strongly as Hillary is?
Gentleone,
   Taking into account the lack of effective mass media, it seemed to me
that Eleanor was campaigned against at least as much as Franklin.  She was
certainly the most outspoken candidate's wife the country had ever seen,
which did not set well with those who believe(d) that women had no place
in politics.  To make matters worse, there was a sizable female contingent
who would not vote for FDR because of Eleanor's physical appearance (I am
related to one of them).  When the Hillary bashing began in earnest, my
first thought was of Eleanor.  How she would have delighted at having
such a broad forum in which to pulverize her detractors, in a graceful,
polite and dignified manner, of course.
Peace,
EPD
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