From: doylemw@ccs.csus.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: the thread about Bond women...
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:44:55 GMT
Organization: California State University, Sacramento

In article <1992Dec14.231924.11365@news.columbia.edu>, pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>>In article <101713@netnews.upenn.edu> yee@mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee) writes:
>>>I just thought I'd have to interject a comment into this thread.  The
>>>movie bond women are justifiably called babes.  They are frequently
>>>nothing more than sex toys.
>>>In truth (canon as defined by I. Fleming), Bond women were very strong
>>>capable characters who were quite able to take care of themselves.
>>	I tend to agree.  Alas, we're apparently outnumbered by college
>>freshman who have apparently never even *seen* the Fleming originals, much
>>less read them.  At least that's my impression from the posts here, 95% of
>>which seem blissfully unaware of anything but the films.
> 
> Well, by the time I was a college freshman (last year) I had read every single
> official Bond novel to date (Fleming, Amis, Gardner) about ten times. I haven't
> read them since last September, but now that I'm part of this newsgroup I have
> some fun reading to do this Christmas. BTW, as a present for working in setting
> up a new library near where I live, the director of the library system (Martins
> Ferry Public Library and affiliated libraries) gave me a first edition 
> hardcover of You Only Live Twice. Unfortunately no picture sleeve, but I felt
> good.
>>>>
>>>Personally, I like the true Bond women.
>>>	Same here.  I think it's a difference in the audience being
>>addressed.  Fleming's novels (and the first few films) were apparently
>>aimed at an adult audience.  The films since then have pretty obviously
>>been aimed at the adolescent market and reflect an adolescent's view of
>>sexuality and women in general.
>>
> Agreed. But the movies have attempted to keep that. Domino, Tatiana Romanova,
> Tilly, Honey Ryder, Melina (Judy in the book) Havelock, all stayed independent.
> Mary Goodnight turned out to be a total loser in both series I think. Loelia
> Ponsonby seemed to be a much more respectable secretary for the 00s. She
> wouldn't forget which button on her shirt was poisoned if she were ever
> captured by enemy spies. 
> 
> philip
> Philip Wang                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
> "Memories persist, succubus I've kissed, my thoughts remiss, I'll lose my brain
>  if you don't wake me" - Defenestration, "Battle Of The Hemispheres"

Well I thought Britt Ecklund (Rod Stewart's Maggie May) did a great job
of Mary Goodnight in MwaGG.
But Man with a Golden Gun was the worst Bond movie ever...
because...Moore (playing JB) slaps around Scaramanga's mistress to get
information about where the golden bullets are picked up from.  unbelievable
Bond hitting a woman.  (never would have happened if I.F. was still around...
R.I.P)

Best movie...From Russia with Love...follows the book...lots of action
great dramatic preamble...Bond getting garrotted by Robert Shaw...(who
played Quinto(sp) in Jaws)...
and to start a new thread...
best title sequence...
From Russia with Love...Light show of movie title and actors names...
moving over undulating nude babe...love it.

(BTW...I have a first edition of tMwtGG...picture sleeve has actual holes
punched in it...to look like bullet holes...
the book club edition doesn't have the holes actually punched out)

Later...
John Bryce
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