From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: PRIDE IS POWER, FOLKS. Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world  
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:46:35 GMT


Okay, fellow Rush Limbaugh fans and pro-lifers in general: 

I've been blasting away on talk.abortion recently about the
transgressions by the media and the pro-abortion movement, but as you
know, I have always ended it and mixed it with victories scored in
pro-life counterattacks. 

What have I been getting to? 

We need more PRIDE. PRIDE = POWER, folks. 
We not only NEED to continue scoring stinging victories against
pro-abortion efforts, we need to stand up and let the world know that
we are pro-life, and that no one (absolutely no one) is going to
succeed in attempting to make us ashamed of it. 

If you let punks like Steve Novak push you around and make you feel
ashamed that you are pro-life, then you will give the pro-aborts the
moral high ground. You DON'T want to do that, and frankly, it hasn't
happened yet: look at Rush. Imagine if others - many others - sought a
similar path. Not afraid to stand up, not afraid to speak out, and
DILIGENTLY presenting FLOODS OF DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF MEDIA LIES,
ILLOGIC AND DOUBLESPEAK. 

Rush Limbaugh is relentless and he has no fear. He presents the facts
whether the pro-choicers like it or not, and for that, he has earned
12+ million listeners, a bestselling book, and a slot on network TV.
He has already outstripped the majority of pro-choice activists, right
there. The FACT is, Rush is PROUD. 

Pride and arrogance are not to be mistaken as one. We can be proud of
our stance and not go out and verbally shove it down everyone else's
throats. But when challenged, or when our viewpoint is being attacked,
we MUST STAND UP. You never know when another pro-lifer is sitting
among you and will stand up, too. Two pro-lifers against a crowd is a
lot more than just 2xone pro-lifer. That crowd suddenly turns into a
very few pro-aborts, a far cry from a "majority." 

Look at Rush. His radio audience, where he dwelled for years now,
turned out not to be a "pro-choice majority." He stood up and the
crowd CHURNED out pro-lifers who vastly dwarf pro-choice Limbaugh
listeners. 

But it all begins for us, by STANDING UP. Start out with something
less heated, like "Rush is Right" or something - but let it be known
that the country is not devoid of Conservatives, but rather, full of
hidden ones who are NO LONGER LETTING (pro-choice) LIBERALS PUSH US
AROUND ANY MORE. 

The fact is, pro-choice forces have never stood very well when
pro-life forces fight back at the ballot box. They can never whip us
in a fair fight, and even in THEIR OWN TERRITORY, LOS ANGELES, they
could NOT stop the rise of Rush Limbaugh. 

They beat us when we don't gather our pride and stand up against
them.

It works, folks. Look at Rush. 


In article <1992Sep15.185122.25540@advtech.uswest.com> steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak) writes:
>> = (Mr. M. T. Jachimstal) writes:
>>> = (John Switzer) writes:
>>>> = (Jym Dyer) writes:
>
>>>>=o= I heard that "Snapple" brand drinks -- the favorite of
>>>>everyone's favorite idiot radio show host -- donates part of
>>>>their profits to anti-choice groups.  Can anyone confirm or
>>>>deny this rumor?
>
>>>Anti-choice? Ah, you mean pro-life. 
>
>Actually, "anti-choice" is literally true.  "Pro-life", of course,
>refers only to *fetal* life; hence, you goofs couldn't even think
>of an honest self-label :-).

Pro-choice? 

Well, how pro-choice can you be when: 

1) By the same arguments of control of body and privacy, you could
justify legalizing pot, but no pro-choice group nor the NARAL or
Planned Parenthood, take any position or support for the right of
Americans to use pot in private, on their own bodies...
Not that I can be faulted - as an "anti-choicer," I am consistent in 
wanting to keep pot banned. But you? You should recognize pot as the
right of every American to control their own body (since it's not
affecting anyone else's) in the privacy of their own homes (where no
one else can be affected).

2) How about SCHOOL CHOICE? If some affluent non-minority parents want
to send their kids to affluent non-minority-dominated public schools,
it is called segregation and that choice is denied the parents. Yet no
pro-choice group defends their "choice". 



You can't possibly come off and tell all of us on these newsgroups
that the abortion rights movement is truly "pro-choice." You've got
two major strikes against that assertion, above.  

If you attempt to call pro-lifers "anti-choice" and call yourself
"pro-choice," you're wrong and I have only shown two of many instances
in which that is clearly true. 

Get lost, Novak.  


>Ha ha!  You mean vapid, low-brow losers will learn how to rig
>elections?  ...Else, I question what appeal you see in Mr. Potatoe
>Head.

Well, we see 12.5 million listeners, 500+ radio stations, and a spot
on television, which is more than Faye Wattleton, Kate Michelman or
Molly Yard ever got. 

To put it in a nutshell:  

Rush Limbaugh > All Three Pro-Abortion Leaders  
Rush Limbaugh > Larry King & Michael Jackson 

Where money, attention, and media coverage are weighed in. 

Obviously, Steve Novak, Rush Limbaugh is better than anyone you can
mention, at least wherever he has landed. He is the king of Talk Radio
in less time than it took for Larry King OR Jackson, to get their
frigging RESUME's written. 

Rush Limbaugh has STOMPED on folks like you, carrying conservatives
and pro-lifers in a bandwagon that now stretches millions of people
long. 

STEVE NOVAK: Rush Limbaugh gives us PRIDE while YOU give us WHIMPERING. 

>This DUMBSHIT, grinning like a silly ape (and I'm serious, he
>*looks* like one that just ate a banana), took Clinton to task
>last week.  Clinton had said that "Patriot missiles" could go down
>chimneys and turn corners at a rally earlier in the day.

Yeah, and here we were, thinking only Dan Quayle could make stupid
statements. 

What's the matter, Novak: Bill Clinton takes it on the chin for making
a mistake, and you feel the pain? How do you like it now, when the
punishment is coming BACK AT YOUR CAMP? 

Aw, Steve Novak is about to go into a whining fit. There, there,
little kid, we'll change your diapers and find you a box of
Kleenex. 

>No.  Spend more time thinking up jokes, or they'll ALL be this
>lame.

You are a joke, Novak. 

I wonder what you're going to look like after the folks on these
newsgroups examine the embarrassing facts crushing you now, and begin
hitting you back with articles of their own. 


>>Sounds good to me. Time to go out and buy a few cases of Snapple.
>
>Why do I envision you saying this with a Goofy voice, and your
>upper teeth hiding your lower lip?                           

Because you're thinking of your mother and all of the rest of Rush
Limbaugh's detractors, perhaps? That's how they look now, now that
Rush has succeeded and they haven't, or haven't succeeded as WELL as
Rush has. 



I add two more Undeniable Truths: 
1) Rush Limbaugh gets the job DONE.  

- Your whining and crying isn't worth shit, Novak: Rush will continue
to garner MILLIONS of listeners, despite your whining. He will
continue to garner MORE LISTENERS than your LIBERAL buddies Larry King
and Michael Jackson. Obviously, there are more of US in that area,
than there are of YOU. 

Now, he has moved into the realm of TV. Judging by Monday's
performance, I'd say he's going to bust Whoopie Goldberg up. 
(To my dittohead buddies: I loved the flashing sign "How can this be?"
and the part where Rush mentioned an Ebony article and then "ducked
for cover" because he knew that someone out there was roaring in anger
about him mentioning the article. Ever notice how the pro-aborts invoke 
the Thought Police whenever documented facts are presented that don't 
go their way?) 

2) Bitch as much as you will, but there is no substitute for a 
   record of getting results and winning victories. 

Rush Limbaugh's book hit #6 on the best seller list the day it came
out. It's probably Numeral Uno And Then Some, by now. Your griping and
complaining, Steve Novak, has not stopped that. Your name calling has
not hurt Rush Limbaugh's pride nor his pocketbook nor his success. 

Rush Limbaugh is BETTER than you, Novak. He's better than Larry King.
He's better than Michael Jackson. He's better than heaven knows HOW
many people in Hollywood, and he's better than Gloria Steinem, Molly
Yard, Faye Wattleton and Kate Michelman, in what he has ACHIEVED. He
is a superstar who is now on television: None of those people I
mentioned, have achieved this level of fame, and they are what you
continually label "correct." 

HOW CAN THE POLITICALLY CORRECT NOT BE OUTSHINING RUSH LIMBAUGH?!

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			      HOW CAN THIS BE? 
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