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From: spiegel@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Spiegel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers News????
Keywords: key players...
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:13:35 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.

In article <Bryzwo.Jo5@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> ssbal@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu writes:
>All you Bay area observers out there I could sure use your help, could you inform me of the progress/status of the following players:
>1. Steve Young at $2.5 mil is he definitely going to get traded??  We here in the East have been hearing this all offseason, first for Barry Word, the Marian Butts, then to the Raiders for Brown and a few picks.  Now his status is in the air, I would sure appreciate some insight.  I heard that they were going to wait until the end of training camp to make sure that Joe was sound and then move him.
	There have been no trade rumors regarding Steve Young since the
	draft.  Unless something drastic happens I don't see any possibility
	of a Young trade soon.
		
>2. Charles Haley.  We heard all offseason that he wanted out , particularly after Seifert badmouthed the 49er defense after watching tapes of the Eagles defense perfrom at its best.  Is he satisfied in SF???  Isn't he expendable since they acquired "All World" Tim Harris??  	                                        
>
	Haley hasn't said anything this year about wanting out.  He has
	not yet reported to camp, he has been given an excused absence to
	take care of some personal/family things.  Harris reported to campt
	20 lbs lighter than last year.  His definite availiability may still
	have to pass the league drug/alcohol rules because of last year's DUI.
	Don't think 9ers are comfortable droppping Charles for  Tim.

>3. Finally Dana Hall.  How has he looked in preseason??  Is he expected to step in in the absence of Dave Waymer or does Thane Gash have the inside track on the starting Strong Safety job??   
	Seifert has said Hall "looks great."  If they had to field a starting
	lineup today Hall would start at safety.  Gash's injury may have been
	more severe than previously thought.  9ers made him sign an agreement
	freeing them from liability if Gash reinjures his neck such that
	it permanently cripples him.  Gash agreed to sign it cause he said
	he really wants to keep playing.  

						Mark
From: elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers' kickers
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:53:05
Organization: Department of Diabolical and Unauthorized Research
Reply-To: elm@cs.berkeley.edu
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In-reply-to: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU's message of Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:47:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.054740.4713@menudo.uh.edu> st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui) writes:
=>     They signed World Leaguer Robbie Keen in the off-season.  Keen is
=>both a kicker and a punter.  Is he still around?

I don't know if he's still around, but he'd sure be a local favorite.
Keen graduated from Cal in 1990.  I was surprised he wasn't drafted,
since he's a decent punter and FG kicker.

ethan
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From: wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks)
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR CHRISTAIN PLAYERS
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:52:59 GMT

agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) writes:

>In article <1992Jul18.202604.13966@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>Come on guys, get a clue!

AMEN.

>Some Christian players are/were:  Jeff Hostetler
>                                  Mike Singletary
>                                  Roger Staubach
Former Seahawk Steve Largent; he's also very active in Young Life in Tulsa.
also, Joe Gibbs. (OK, he's a coach, I admit it.)
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From: shari@rosemount.com (Shari Durdin)
Subject: Vikings fire sale continues...
Originator: shari@charlie
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:29:38 GMT

Another Vikings veteran has been told to hit the road.
Joey Browner, the Vikings starting free safety for many years was
released yesterday when the club claimed that he failed his physical.
Browner suffered a shoulder injury last year that brought the
level of his play down quite a bit. The doctors claim there are still
signs of nerve damage. 

This cuts another $1 million off the payroll. Since last season the
Vikes have lost the following vets:

Herschel Walker - released, signed by Philadelphia
Kieth Millard - traded to Seattle for a 2nd round choice
Wade Wilson -released, signed by Atlanta
Joey Browner - released, signed by ???

who's next?

WIN TWINS!
shari
From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:56:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Montana still "tired"
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

>(Doyle Donehoo) /  3:45 pm  Jul 29, 1992 /

>I for one think Montana will never be 100%, and he has yet to do a full
>years service in the last few years, but I will take a 90% Montana over
>90% of the QBs out there today, and I am being conservative. Well, the
>sports writers and the Montana/49er haters have to have SOMETHING to 
>write about....				;-)

A few people on the net will tell you I'm anything but a Montana/49er
hater :^).  But like Bob Marshall (also not a Montana/49er hater) I am
becoming increasingly skeptical of Joe's ability to recover from this
latest injury.  The most telling fact, as Bob points out, is that
Montana seems to accept not being able to throw for a while when he is
normally fighting to get in as much practice as he can.  Maybe his arm
just needs a little more rest.  We'll see.

A few weeks ago I believed Montana's career would be over only when
I saw it.  Now I believe he'll throw again only when I see
it.  I sure hope I'm wrong.

- Gary Rosen
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From: djohnson@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (David Johnson)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins - Training Camp Report
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:36:34 GMT

In article <22800@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:

>Toronto newspapers reported this week that the CFL Toronto Argonauts
>had made Rypien a formal offer, but Staninger said today that offer
>was made about two weeks ago.  It's believed to be a one-year deal contract
>worth around $1.5 million.  Rypien and Staninger have made it clear
>that remaining with the Redskins is their first choice.  He'd take less
>money for one year in the CFL, gambling that NFL veterans would have
>won free agency by next spring.

Rypien had made a promise to his father before he died that he will play
at least one year in the CFL.  If the Redskins don't make him an offer
which he likes soon he may be coming to Toronto.  I have heard that the
numbers Toronto were going to give him were $6 Million for 2 years.  He
has said publicly up here that he would like to stay in Washington but
is glad he has another choice in Toronto.

>
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--David Johnson

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From: hunter@fledgling.WPI.EDU (George M. Berberian)
Subject: Re: Buffalo Bills
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:05:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.031552.17685@math.ucla.edu> rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
>In article <CPM.92Jul27163911@clyde.clearpoint.com> cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com wri
>tes:
>>Do you really think they will go undefeated in their division? I predict
>>they go 5-3 in their division. Remember last year they split the season
>>series with the pathetic Patriots in two close games. Didn't the Jets
>>come within an eyelash of victory over the Bills last year only to lose
>>it on a bad play at the end of the game. Both of these teams have improved
>>from last year. Have the Bills?
>
>
>First, neither team has a shot against Buffalo at home.
>Almost no team does.
>The Jets would have a shot in New Jersey, EXCEPT they play
>on Monday night. The Bills are starting to get famous for 
>punishing the Jets on Monday nights.
>If it wasn't a Monday night game, there might be some question
>as to the winner.
>New England beat the Bills last year in New England.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
%We Patriot fans are still savoring this victory!


>It looked like someone actually watered the field with a garden
>hose before the game.
% Are you kidding me!  Accept the loss! Now you sound like a Miami fan.


 Bills players, who rely on speed for
>preformance, were slipping and sliding all day. The chances of 
>this happening again are slim at best.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
%  Get a clue, the Pats are REAL. After a 22 to 17 win the first game, you
come to foxboro with the W already under your belt. You'll learn, sooner or
later, you'll learn. Maybe 20 years from now,but you'll learn. 
                       


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From: aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Unsigned Cowboys ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:30:37 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I live near Philidalphia, PA, the most hostile area to the cowboys probably in the
whole world. Those Eagles fans hate the cowboys more than ever after seeing
BOYS defeather their birds and shrink their play off hopes last December. If
the cowboys do not make the play offs this season -god forbids- but help
eliminate the Eagles, I'll be satisfied.
Anyway... news about the cowboys'camp are hard to come by here near Philli. I
will appreciate any info. about the unsigned players:

    1) M. Irvin
    2) paycheck Novachek
    3) M. Stepnoski
    4) J. Washington
    5) R. Horton
    6) K. Norton
    7) V. Smith (hardly a loss if doesn't sign)
    8) T. Tolbert
    9) J. Jeffcoat

I am especially concerned about the first three players.
Thanks..... AAA.....
From: elbjr@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu (Edward L. Brown, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Falcons
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:55:00 GMT
Organization: The Bedford Group  Marietta, GA

The Falcons have signed Tony Smith RB out of Southern Miss. He signed for a
three year deal for about 2.5 million (details are not disclosed).  He is
expected to contend for the top tailback job and play in the first preseason
game Aug. 8 against Cleveland.  This leaves only Bob Whitfield left unsigned
and knowing the Falcons history with 1 round picks, it could be a long holdout.

Additional notes is that Andre Rison is being bashed here in Atlanta by fans
and press.  His quotes about the Falcons are drawing alot of attention.  IMHO
how can someone as good as Andre sit out, when the receiving corps that are in
camp are playing better than they were last year.  I went to camp and watched
the offense practice and it proves to be an interesting year with what they got
going for them.
.
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Re: Weighed picks
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:15:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.201319.3373@ncsu.edu> jfdintin@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH F DINTINO) writes:
>
>When the spread or weighting is not used in picking outcomes, everyone ends up
>'picking' fewer games because some, and often several of the games 
>are no-brainers.  Sure, you may have an upset and small number of people 
>actually picking it, but for the most part, the game is a washout.  Not many are
>going to pick a 14 pt underdog in RFK or Rich Stadium, for instance.  So the 
>interesting games of the week become fewer in number.  The spreads would make 
>almost every game a 
>tough one to call; or the weighting would make it easier to catch up when you 
>fall behind; I personally feel either way would make it more interesting.  
>Having to think more about who to pick should make it more fun...
>
>- Joe

Just thought I'd throw in a personal opinion about the spreads.  This is
NOT however, the reason the pool will not have spreads.

I think there is often something very false about correctly picking a game
with a spread.  For example:

Denver is favored by 5 over the Raiders.  They lead by 6 with 30 seconds left
to go and LA is at the 5 yard line.  Now there is little doubt that LA
could kick a FG and lose by only 3, thus covering the spread.  However, there
is no reason to think they would do this.  Instead, Denver will crush the LA
offence for a few plays and win by 6.  The only reason the Raiders didn't
cover the spread is that they were more interested in winning.

This (or a different case, where a big favorite is up by 16 and gives up
a last minute touchdown, only winning by 9 and not covering the 13 point
spread) happens all the time and is the main reason I am against spreads
for friendly pools.

Correctly picking spreads is often as much a matter of luck as anything else.

Just MHO.
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From: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Montana still "tired"
Date: 30 Jul 92 11:46:57 GMT
Reply-To: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.football.pro, donehoo@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Doyle Donehoo) writes:

->As a direct response to the above, the speculation and second guessing,
->Montana in a interview today stated 1) the soreness he has been experiencing
->was NOT in the area that was operated on and 2) the soreness and fatigue
->was from his overworking his arm in the exercise program he has been
->involved with in rehab, and he thinks he/they were working his arm too
->hard to be ready for the first preseason game.

Sounds like denial to me.  He reminds me of the Black Knight from Monty
Python and the Holy Grail, who, with blood jetting from his severed
arm, continually proclaims "It's only a flesh wound!"

Bye, bye Joe...

Steve Hambric (hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
From: august@hlpdsk.jsc.nasa.gov (Ray August)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Oilers -- training camp report II
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:27:53 GMT
Organization: nasa-jsc
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


Sorry about that last bogus post guys it's early (smile)

Most of you know about Moon showing up despite his contract negotiations
still up in the air.  The Oilers biggest problem is the same as any
Houston franchise -- they just won't pay nobody no damn money.

Oiler starter holdouts/negotiations include:  

   Chris Dishman ---- asking for 1M, currently making 350k, made pro-
                      bowl last year.
   Sean Jones ------- currently retired, but he is almost in the same
                      situation as Moon; nevertheless I hope they come
                      to an agreement, I think he is a key piece.
   Richard Johnson -- tring to remove the injury waiver to secure his
                      salary of 600k, but I also think he is trying to 
                      beef up his salary also. (at camp)
   Bo Orlando ------- can't blame this guy; he had a solid season while
                      making a basement salary.
   William Fuller --- also at camp, Fuller is tired of eating TV dinners
                      and popcorn; just wants more money.
   Mike Munchack ---- at camp, he is still negotiating his contract.
                      Without him and Matthews there would be no
                      run-and-shoot.
   Curtis Duncan ---- with Drew Hill and Tony Jones gone his averages
                      will increase, so he is also negotiating.

I feel if it wasn't for Moon being his usual self and putting the team
first, things would be out of hand by now.  Because of his character,
the receivers and offensive line are threatening to walk out if Houston
doesn't settle Moon's contract.

For a team that has a realistic shot at the Super Bowl, Houston needs
to settle this shit and start reward players the money they are worth. 



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                        ** Go Braves
                        ** Bulls in 93
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Washington Coach Gibbs gets contract extension
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:51:25 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

Condensed from the Washington Post, July 28, 1992:

Washington Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke has locked up his most valuable
commodity for several more seasons.  Cooke and Coach Joe Gibbs recently
shook hands on a new contract that runs for at least three more seasons
and will pay Gibbs an estimated $1.4 million per season, sources says.

Gibbs was entering the final year of a five-year contract signed after
the 1987 season and made an estimated $1.2 million in 1991.

Details of the new contract are difficult to determine because most
of the negotiations occurred in a one-on-one meeting between Cooke and
Gibbs though Gibbs is represented by agent Robert Fraley.

Gibbs is believed to be the league's third-highest-paid coach last season,
making slightly less than Miami's Don Shula and Denver's Dan Reeves.
His new contract will keep him somewhere in the top three, a source
said.

Gibbs won 100 games faster than any coach in history and his 130 victories
have come five years faster than any NFL coach.  He's only the third
coach to win three Super Bowls and was the firs to do it with three
different quarterbacks.  Only Vince Lombardi has a better postseason
winning percentage, and Gibbs's teams are 31-10 in December.

In 11 seasons, the Redskins have made seven playoff appearances, won
five NFC East titles, four NFC championships and three Super Bowls.


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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Packer depth chart starters
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 27 JUL 92 11:58:38    

Looks like the Packers finally released a depth chart because the most 
recent issue of Packer Plus contained the currently project starting 
lineups:

QB:   Don Majkowski
FB:   Derrel Thompson
HB:   Vincent Workman
LWR:  Sterling Sharpe
LT:   Ken Ruettgers  (unsigned)
LG:   Rich Moran
C:    James Campen
RG:   Tony Manderich
RT:   James "Tootie" Robbins (Trade - Cardinals)
RWR:  Sanjay Beach (PB - SF)

LCB:  Vincent Clack
SS:   LeRoy Butler
FS:   Chuck(les) Cecil
RCB:  Terrel Buckley (Unsigned)
LOLB: Tony Bennett
LILB: Brian Noble
RILB: Johnny Holland
ROLB: Scott Steven
LDE:  Shawn Patterson
NT:   Esera Tuaolo
RDE:  Matt Brock

The only real surprize is probably Shawn Patterson moving ahead of 
Robert Brown before camp even started.  This was to be expected 
eventually anyway with the Packers now 1-gapping.

A mild surprize might be Sanjay Beach at WR.  Perry Kemp was destined 
to lose the starting job but I thought they might list him #1 for now 
because I'm sure the position is still wide open.

I know Buckley and Ruettgers are unsigned.  I'm writing this from 
memory so I may have some things wrong and more of the players listed 
might be unsigned.  I'll bring the paper in tomorrow and check the 
details.

JGH
From: skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Moon walks at camp
Keywords: $$$ dispute??
Date: 29 Jul 1992 12:54:13 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

In article <l7b3esINNcr@cronkite> nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM writes:

>Heard that Moon walked out on the Oilers taining camp?  What is the story here
>Any news on when he'll be back?

Moon made the trip to Japan with the team, he is not a happy camper.
he want's to do the right thing and stay in camp but he seems to waiver
back and forth every other day. Will he hold out ?? I would guess it's
50/50 right now. He was interviewed at the airport and he looked pissed.


Go Cowboys !!!!
The only "Pro" team in Texas
tim
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From: jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi)
Subject: Re: Browns News - July 20th
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:30:39 GMT

In article <l6ts32INNjgm@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, flanery@cs.utk.edu (Ray Flanery) writes:
|> 
|> Jeff, I have to disagree with you a little. I think the Browns have an
|> excellent shot at the division. As you said above, last years defense
|> was good enough to keep them in all but one game, and it was totally
|> patch work. In spite of the lack of starters on defense, Houston only
|> sqeeked by in both games, one of the games saw a starting corner back who
|> had only been with us 3 days. I do not think we will lose to Houston this
|> year. As for the Bengals and Steelers, well, anyone who gives them a 
|> chance at beating us (other than based on luck) is probably not all
|> together in the brain department.
|> 
I woudln't be totally shocked to see the Browns win the division but I
just think Houston has a advantage on the offensive side of the ball over
the Browns. I feel this is somewhat of a critical year in Belichecks 5
year contract, if you just look at the Browns win-loss record from last
year most people would think the Browns were a pretty big disappointment,
but thats far from the truth considering what a turn around this team did
from Carson last year as coach.  Belicheck needs time but I am already
hearing talk that this is a playoff team, which may be true, but people
have to keep things in perspective. The Browns are on a five year plan
and we have got to stick by that. Of course reaching some of those goals
early would be nice.-)

Just a side note. I heard on the radio this morning that there has been
somekind of blowup between Micheal-Dean Perry and coach Belichecks
comments about how he sustained his knee injury. Belicheck basically
said that Micheal-Dean sustained the injury while playing with his
daughter at home. Micheal-Dean said that just not true and that he and
coach Belicheck have never seen "eye-to-eye." Now I know why Belicheck
refused to talk about any injuries last year. Stay tuned Brownies fans.


-- 
Jeff Nappi
Columbus Bell Labs
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