HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: RMI CD Update
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:26:23 GMT

>In article <ben.727818269@ipoint>, thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox) writes:

>|> The CDs WILL eventually be made, and WILL be shipped out (even if I
>|> have to drive down to Florida with my cousin Vinnie to get them). 

I wonder if you/we are perhaps unique customers, in that most folks
probably don't already have N (a couple hundred?) customers waiting
for delivery haveing paid up front. Perhaps these folks do this all the 
time? 

Here's what I suggest - post phone number, fax number and address
of the place so those of us who paid and are impatient can also 
contact them to express our concern. We can send/fax a copy of 
Ben's post with a letter of complaint to sink in that the net
has a potential for this to get beyond just the 2 or 3 folks who
put the cd project together. 

Lodge a complaint and make inquiries with the local Better Business
Bureau there - here it's all automated on a vmail syste so you can 
enter a phone number to see if they have previous complaints. 
Also a call to the RIAA or other audio/music industry folks to 
ask about this place might stir up some stink for them. 

Mailorder biz as I understand requires that the vendor deliver in an
agrred time period. Failure to do so may be something which the Postmaster
can investigate, assist withor perhaps even prosecute, at least as I 
understand it. I don't think Ben has really done anything wrong - it's
obviously beyond his control. But this might be another avenue to 
explore if delivery is further postponed, if you need extra leverage, 
or if they outright fail to deliver. 

One possiblility is that the place is so strapped for cash they're
taking orders and spending the money to survive but can't afford
to deliver all they've taken orders for. If they're borderline on
bankruptcy or going under it's probably a good idea to act as fast
as possible with some strong pseudo-legal threats to get your delivery
before they crap out. . 

I'd mail a registered letter, cc'd to someone like the RIAA even if they
hold no regulatory authority, maybe also to the local postmaster wher
the co. is located, demanding it resolved to your satisfaction in 
ten days. Or five days, whatever, just give them a deadline and then
blast them with whatever you can. At this point they deserve to have their
name smeared even if they deliver.  

At this point I'd start bugging them for some extra discount or
overrun pressings to compensate for the delay. Why not? 

  - Malcolm
From: gt5986c@prism.gatech.EDU (John P Arnzen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: MBM sample IDs wanted
Date: 22 Jan 93 06:50:07 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

not too long ago, someone here said that a lot of the samples on Satyricon
were from some film called 'Dark Star' i think.  has anybody seen this film?
kinda curious to go see if i can find it to maybe rent it or even buy it if
i have to.  what's it about?

also, i read in the local paper recently about a film called 'Dog Star Man'
that was inducted into some national film archive/treasury.  and i was 
wondering if MBM drew inspiration and/or samples for the song from the movie?
any clues out there?  again, anybody seen the film?

thanx--

john

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From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: Re:INDUSTRIAL-METAL (was: ..SCORN...
Originator: cmgeorg@c00551-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:38:50 GMT


In article <YfM_o_a00iV00_O0c9@andrew.cmu.edu>, Edward Pak <ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|>
|>   Can someone tell me what SCORN's VAE SOLIS album sounds like? is it
|>anything like GODFLESH's stuff....
|>
|>...............................................................................
|>.

Yep.

It seems like there are now two distinct types of industrial-metal crossover
bands (or whatever you want to call it).  Grind/Death Metal influenced like 
Godflesh and Thrash/Speed Metal influenced like Ministry.

I'd like to get a comprehensive list going about what bands fall into these
categories.  Not bands with just songs that fall into these categories
such as Skinny Puppy-Tin Omen or NIN-Wish.  Here are the one's I know of and 
their semi-likeness to each other. I know there must be more. Please contribute.

Godflesh
Scorn
Pitch Shifter
Sonic Violence (sorta)
(early) Swans
(early) Head Of David
 
.........................

Ministry
Pailhead (sorta)
Lard
Skrew
Malhavoc
Treponem Pal


And as always, "Thank you for your support"

-chris

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 + North Carolina State University                                           +
 +     cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu                                                  +
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 + "Aah... who cares about school...who cares about life...who cares about   +
 +  me.  Not me, that's for sure!  Look!...(punches himself in the head)..   +
 +  ...I just don't care!"                                                   +
 +                                       -Vyvian,  The Young Ones            + 
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From: slp9k@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Paul's kid (was Ministry and Country Music)
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:52:32 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <spray.727738546@convex.convex.com>, spray@convex.com (Rob Spray) writes:
> Casey is the vocalist/bassist for Blohole and
> formerly with Rigor Mortis.  He was part of the Ministry entourage
> for Lollapolooza II, as a sub for Paul Barker who's wife was due
> to give birth at any moment.  Casey did play on the last few
> shows of the tour.
> 
	Just for the record.  Paul's child was born on August 25.  I was at
Lollapalooza in Charlotte, NC, and Al announced that 'Paul's wife is calving
right as we speak'  He also announced the child's sex and name, but I was too
busy choking on tear gas to pay attention.
	
-- 
Disclaimer:  I don't care

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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: where'd she go?
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:47:24 GMT

H5FK <H5FK@UNB.CA> writes:
>  i was directed here by a person named ramona.  at the risk of
>sounding really lame, i assume that's a girls name or the name of an
>extremely unfortunate guy.  my point is that whoever it was they
>were neat and i want them to write me again if they don't mind.
>maybe we could get a friendship going here.

RAMONA? RAMONA!! Gee, I thought s/he was here a few minutes ago... 

s/he doesn't seem to have heard me.

wait, I think I heard a muffled scream from over in alt.sex.bindage, perhaps 
that was him/her?  

Hey, BTW, has anyone seen Matthew Sharp around lately? I'm sorta starting
to miss him. Perhaps he was attacked by the audience or a rabid rmi'er
at that performance he was talking about doing? Or did Crowell get his
net-access yanked for arrogance?   I thought I saw him in the audience
on Oprah a few weeks ago but I wasn't sure...

  - Malcolm
From: mjcrouch@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Matt J. Crouch)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Spuppy video
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:17:08 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Dept. of CS Ball State University Muncie IN

Where can i get the video?  Mainly the _Last Rights_ and _Ain't It Dead
Yet?!_ tapes are what I'm interested in.  If they are going to be banned
in the manner in which everyone is saying, i suppose it won't be
avaliable in a chain store (or would it?)  I can probably pick it up at
WaxTrax!, but my home is way far away from Buttfuck, Indiana USA.  Help,
please!

-mAtt
From: john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Ministry's "Hisbulla"?
Date: 23 Jan 93 14:31:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew) 

KBF>I remember a few years ago (shortly after the release of TLORAH) hearing a
KBF>song on the radio called "Hisbulla" (or however one spells it), and the DJ
KBF>(Brent Bambry--Brave New Waves) said the song was by Ministry.  I have
KBF>never seen or heard of the song since.  Anyone know anything about this
KBF>very cool song?

It's on "Land of Rape and Honey" bonehead... That's a typical rivet-head
  for you!

T$ / KF
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:04:13 CST
From: Bones, <U38956@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Ministry samples and Platoon

OK, here are all the samples i could find from Platoon that Ministry has used:

FLASHBACK:
"Now hold up, man!"
   ---Junior, just as SGT Barnes threatens to put a caterpillar in his crotch.

"Everybody's gotta die sometime."
   ---SGT Barnes to SGT O'Neill after O'Neill tells Barnes that he's scared
      (Just after the caterpillar scene)

"I'm hurting real bad inside."
   ---Big Harold, about midway through the movie when someone mentions they are
      in Cambodia and they all talk about the blacks' involvement in the war.

You Know What You Are:
"Come on, motherfucker!"
   ---Bunny at the final battle at the end as he shoots his shotgun and the ad-
      vancing Viet Cong.

"Dance motherfucker!"
   ---Charlie Sheen (Taylor) when he shoots at the one-legged Vietnamese in the
      hut.  Also used in Doubting Thomas' "Father Don't Cry."

There you be.
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*----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
* In the song "ringfinger" by Nine Inch Nails, Trent Reznor says: "If I was  *
* twice the man I could be, I'd still be half the man you need."             *
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From: jlitchfi@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Jon Litchfield)
Subject: Re: SMG/NIN  KMFDM/WaxTrax
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:59:25 GMT

In article <C1DvuF.DyM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dbl50872@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Brian Lake) writes:
>Quit saying that Sister Machine Gun is a NIN rip-off, first people say they
>hate Trent's music because its too polished, then they say SMG sounds like
>NIN, and then they say SMG sounds totally unpolished...

Well, they ARE a NIN rip-off, and I never said I hated NIN, nor did I say that
SMG sound like NIN...I said they were _trying_ to sound like NIN. Big           difference. 

>I would say that SMG was the best new group of the year of the bands who i've
>heard, sure the recording sucks, so their stuff comes out wrong on some tracks
>its only their first effort.  I feel their potential is huge, it doesn't really
>matter who produces the album, its the band that makes all the real decision
>at least thats the way it should be... maybe it was Sasha's worst job yet,

Huge potential? No, I don't think so. SMG will slither off into oblivion if theycontinue with the direction of "Sins of the Flesh". If they come up with 
something new, maybe. It doesn't matter who produces the album??? Yeah, right.
Listen to SP's "Rabies" and tell me that. "The way things should be" and "The 
way things really are" are two different things. And Sascha's done some really
second rate stuff before(usually, half of any KMFDM album is sheer crap, IMHO).

>maybe he is losing his edge, from the reviews of Sucks, he could be burning out
>look at all the stuff he's done recently, Money (w/ 4 singles), White Zombie,
>SMG, has he been working on Excessive Force, etc...

Sucks sucks. Plain and simple. The song is ok, but 4 near-identical mixes of an
ok song is not a good use of money. Stay away and hope it appears on their next
album, or buy it used when everyone realizes that it is pretty boring.

>With TVT taking over WaxTrax who knows what will happen with SMG?  Does anyone

I think TVT mentioned a new release by SMG in their press release about buying
into WaxTrax!, along with other bands which I can't remember.

>know if KMFDM Enterprises is TVT's now also? or is KMFDM free of this shithole
>company, ever notice how TVT's bands disappear into oblivion after their first
>release...

I don't see how KMFDM Enterprises would be affected by TVT buying into WaxTrax.

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From: vidarh@cs.uit.no (Vidar Hanssen)
Subject: Nitzer Ebb: Get Clean
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:31:51 GMT

I've seen some talk of a new CD-single by Nitzer Ebb called Get Clean on Power
Of Voice. Has anyone got more info on this, like tracks, mixes etc? 

Get Clean was the b-side on the original 1986 12" of Let Your Body Work (on 
PoV, before they where signed to Mute). Hope it's not just a re-issue of
this...

Bye,
Vidar

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From: tpb2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (TONY PATRICK BLAKE)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Last word on samples
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:19:45 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    last week in the midst of all the posts about ministry samples, i posted
    that i would collect the information and put it into a file available to
    anyone that wanted it.  since then i have got responses from people who
    where interested in the final product, but no responses with info for the
    file.  i didn't have time to download all the posts from this group that
    contained the needed information.....so once again i ask anyone knowing
    sample sources to respond directly to me at the following address:

        tpb2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu

    if you know the track time when the sample apears...send that to...the
    less work i have to do myself the quicker it will be finished.

    thanks, in advance, to everyone who helps out

    -tony


    
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From: john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: pigface members
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:36:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew)
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591

HJ> I saw them live in Madison, WI and they were incredible.  The regular touri
HJ>members were: En Esch, Atkins, Tucker, the cello goddess, and Hope Nichols,
HJ>Fetchin' Bones and some other band (She is also great looking.  I haven't se
HJ>too many beautiful women with purple hair).  Schultz was also present, as th
HJ>show was "Pigface, with Lab Report".  Connelly and Rieflin are currently on
HJ>with Ministry.  David? Yow of the Jesus Lizard also may appear with them, in
HJ>addition to Genesis P-Orridge and Paul Raven.
HJ>  Flour plays with: Flour

Come on now, Pigface was probably the worst show I had ever seen save
  My Life with the Thrill Kill Cult's last tour. Plus there's also the
  fact that they refuse to use opening bands with drummers as was the
  case with us getting nixed from the show with them here in SF.
  Anyways...

T$ - KF
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From: hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: NIN PHM cover
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:07:08 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Physics Department

In article <1993Jan21.140540.4277@arizona.edu> loki@goat.geo.arizona.edu (loki)  
writes:
> as for the NIN, it looks suspiciously like a rib cage... 

I'm sure that was the point, artistically, but I'm also pretty sure that it's  
NOT.. 

--
schmotsignature.
Paul Hagstrom
(hagstrop@carleton.edu)
From: watson_mj@med.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: PHM cover
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:17:55 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Reply-To: watson_mj@med.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1993Jan27.034631.5037@spcvxb.spc.edu>, 6anthony_m@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.135544.4452@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>, u6066061@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au writes:
>> It looks like a wheel of a BMW or some other car to me...
>
>it loos like trant running away with all your money to me.
>
>The Fiend  
>
>oops i meant trent. 


I always thought that it was a close-up of an electric razor, looking from a
bit of an angle at the shaving heads (correct term?) on top.





Matt.
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:50:22 -0500 
From: Louis Frank Smolenski <ls36+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The Lords of Acid
Distribution: rec

The first version of "I Sit on Acid"  I saw, was a compilation album called,
"This is Acid with a Beat."  It is a few years old, and it is a really
good version of it.

-SLouis

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From: tuffyd@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Devin 'Nice Guy' Tuffy)
Subject: Re: MBM sample IDs wanted
Reply-To: tuffyd@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:51:13 GMT

In article <81281@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt5986c@prism.gatech.EDU (John P Arnzen) writes:
|> not too long ago, someone here said that a lot of the samples on Satyricon
|> were from some film called 'Dark Star' i think.  has anybody seen this film?
|> kinda curious to go see if i can find it to maybe rent it or even buy it if
|> i have to.  what's it about?

I've seen it.  It was on on some local station around 3:00 AM one Sunday night, so that should tell you something about it.  It's really not worth buying.  It was a kind of low-budget "2001" ripoff.  I cant identify if any samples are used
becuase its been way too long since I've seen it....

-- 

Devin Tuffy
tuffyd@rpi.edu

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From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ministry's "Hisbulla"?
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:11:55 GMT
Reply-To: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

In article <ben.727808828@ipoint> thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox) writes:
>"Hizbollah" is
>the name of a Lebanese terrorist group, if I remember correctly.

It's actually arabic for "The party of God." Terrorism is certainly in
the trickbag, but there's a lot more going on - their acts are all in
the service of what they view as a great and divinely ordained task -
ushering in an Islamic state, most succinctly characterized as
"One man. One vote. Once." All this quite apart from its usefulness to
our boys in Ministry, who're probably more interested in appropriating
it for its shock value than anything else. Poor Al would probably last
a good 10 seconds in the face of the real thing. They don't use samplers
over there. Allah (PBUH) isn't really into music all that much, according
to the Shi'a. But all this is most certainly post-industrial.

Have a nice day, decadent pampered western youth :)

--
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willing to settle. No price can be too high, no cruelty excessive if the 
end finds cruelty exhausted and mercy audible as a hammer's sound in rain.
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From: jc@apple.com (jc)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: NIN PHM cover
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:56:37 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <2478@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, mawst13+@pitt.edu (Michael A Wong) writes:
> 
> In article <1993Jan16.064613.14032@ennews.eas.asu.edu> mcguirk@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (infophage) writes:
> >In article <1993Jan15.142757.9842@hubcap.clemson.edu> btheoba@eng.clemson.edu writes:
> >>I've been meaning to ask this for a LOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG time:
> >>
> >>What the hell is that a "picture" of on the cover of PHM?
> >
> >Looks sort of like a spine to me...
>  
> 
> I am convinced its part of the crown on of the Statue of Liberty..
> 

And I always thought it was a really fucked up picture of Trent going
for a burrito...
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:24:08 -0500 
From: Kenny Eng <ke0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: chris & cosey

a while back at a skinny puppy concert, i saw a video for a song by
chris & cosey. if i remember correctly, it was kinda dancy.  is this
representative of most of chris & cosey's works? can anyone tell me more
about this group???
thanks
kenny
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From: tovey@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Gadget)
Subject: Samples
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:09:09 GMT

Just while we're on the subject of samples, this one's been bugging
me for a while...
  "This is a precision instrument".
From (shame shame) Springsteen's "57 Channels and nothing on". It's one
of those samples which has been bugging me for ages!! Where's it from?

Gadget
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