HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Reply-To: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:41:34 GMT

In article <36555@hoptoad.uucp>, laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) writes:

>The real problem for me is that is is very difficult to get
>very good women's clothes.  And cheaply made business clothes
>are very expensive in the women's clothing store.  It is,
>in my opinion, an unexplored market.
>
>you can spent $200 -- $400 and get a good suit that is
>fashionable for few years, 2 to 4.  Give me something
>in double that price range which I will be able to
>wear for a decade?

You don't think that Jos. A. Bank or Pendleton make classic quality suits in the
$200-$500 range?  I've had several of mine for a decade....

But I do agree that 99 percent of all women's suits are trash.

Katie
From: drollin@seq.uncwil.edu (David A. Rollins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:13:45 GMT
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington



You know, Steve, there is merit in some of what you say, but the
way you say it brings me to one conclusion. You are an asshole.

Another person who responded to Donald made his point without
being offensive and diminuitive.

Donald is incorrect in many of his assuptions, particularly in
saying that this forum is exclusive of Blacks. The other
respondent is correct in indicating that one cannot tell if the
posts come from one of a particular race.

Donald also made it clear that he has racist attitudes himself and
did not exclude himself from blame either.

Your reply only reinforced the point he was making.

I usually read the "fluff" in this group without responding, because
most of what is talked about here is nonsense and fag rhetoric. It
has nothing to do with reality or anything.

Just because the participants are gay does not mean that everybody
else is gay-prejudiced or against gays. The nonsense perpetuated in
soc.motss as well as bullshit commentary, such as yours, does more to
dilute your message than it does to coagulate it.

Lighten up, and take that bug out of your ass. My admiration for you
just took a dive. Where once I thought to commend you, I now would
delight to see you wallow in the shit you create.

Get a grip, and grow up.

-- 
David Rollins                 |  I OWN A COMMODORE/AMIGA 2000.  
Email: drollin@seq.uncwil.edu |  I'M GOOD ENOUGH. I'M SMART ENOUGH,
Voice: 919-763-4115           |  AND DOGGONE IT, PEOPLE LIKE ME!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fy@lucid.com (Frank Yellin)
Subject: Re: Traditional Family Values
Organization: Lucid, Inc., Menlo Park, CA
	<1992Oct10.012614.20350@netcom.com>
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:02:56


In article <1992Oct10.012614.20350@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew
Solovay) writes: 

>  I can no longer remain silent. I must rebut this vicious
>  mischaracterization of Sefer Vayikra (a.k.a. Leviticus).

>  Leviticus does not prohibit cotton/polyester blends. It forbids
>  wearing blends of wool and linen. As a matter of fact, Leviticus
>  never mentions polyester.

But Andrew, you're clouding the distinction between the Oral Law and the
Written Law.  The OCA, like most fundamentalistic groups, almost certainly
only recognizes the Written Law, and a literal reading of Sefer Vayikra
does prohibit any intermingling of fabrics.

But Judaism has never claimed that the Bible is to be interpreted
literally.  After all, Rashi (a 13th century (??) French commentator)
claimed that there are two versions of the Creation story in Genesis to
show that anyone who takes either story literally is a fool.

It's the Oral Law the claims that the Sha'atnetz injunction in Leviticus
refers to wool/linen mixtures and nothing else.

-- Frank Yellin
   fy@lucid.com
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: My Two Loves (was Vanessa Redgrave to Play a Lesbian!)
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:16:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: ua1vm.1687DAC8E.TMCCART3
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa

In article <1992Oct10.213556.19386@tc.cornell.edu>
shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
 
>In article <cornell.718734758@vivaldi> cornell@syl.dl.nec.com writes:
>>Wasn't it Vanessa Redgrave who played a lesbian in some TV movie
>>with Mariette (sp?) Hartley a few years back?
>
>No.  That was her psychopathic psyster, Lynn.
>--
>       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
I was a sophomore in college (The Undergrad Years) when that movie came out. I
hadn't yet really come to terms with my own orientation, but I was at least pol
itically indignant enough to notice that the movie ("My Two Loves," was it?)see
med to have two points: (1) lesbianism is a phase, and (2) it's something fun t
o try if the man in your life is driving you nuts with all his whining about wa
nting to get married. Yuck. Although, all this talk about the C.J.-what'sherfac
e kiss on L.A. Law being the "first lesbian kiss on prime time" is clearly a my
th. Mariette and psycho Lynn smooched a little in the flick. Any other thoughts
on this really bad movie from the mid-80s?
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.politics.clinton
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: Clinton In New Jesery
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:25:01 GMT

In article <1asf81INNeeh@agate.berkeley.edu> lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus) writes:
>There are occasional factoid in Wagner's postings in the middle of the
>usual incoherent stream-of-consciousness (Joyce interpreted by
>Limbaugh?), and it's worth identifying them...
>
>In article <1992Oct4.031153.4060@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>>Whoah! Totally wrongo!
>>	The 'Democrat-Gazette' is a rather new construct formed
>>from the loser of the two-major-Arkansas newspaper war between
>>the 'Arkansas Democrat' and the 'Arkansas Gazette.'  The Gazette
>>and the Democrat were both liberal papers.  They have not been
>>'anti-Clinton,' unless you are talking about all the stories by reporters
>>of complaining teachers and taxpayers.  The 'Democrat-Gazette' is a fairly
>>recent paper arisen from that war. I think it came into being as soon
>>as a few years ago.(Maybe two).
>
>The winner of the newspaper war was the CONSERVATIVE paper. That's what
>its owner boasted of after he essentially bankrupted his rival.
>
>I can go to the library to find the interview, but first, JP, why don't
>we bet on it?

	I can TELL you, you asshole, because I grew up there and read
the things on a daily basis.  Both Democrat AND Gazette are left of
center; Gazette was to the LEFT of the Democrat!  Ever heard of 
'far left-wing' and 'moderate-left-wing?' Asshole. It would be suicide
for a major southern newspaper to be Republican. Ever heard 'damn yanks?'

>Of course, we can guess how you'll weasel out: anything to the left of
>Racial Defender will be "liberal". Why don't you post the hgallmarks of
>a conservative/liberal paper, and let us judge?

	Actually, if you look at the time when federal troops were
sent in to force de-segregation in the Little Rock High School you will
see that both DEMOCRAT newspapers were in fact racist.  Because
you LIE and say that you are NOT RACIST when in fact YOU ARE does not
diminish the fact that the DEMOCRAT PARTY IS INHERENTLY, BY ITS VERY
PHILOSOPHICAL NATURE, R A C I S T!

>andy

		John

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Surnames (was: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 05:00:00 GMT


In article <24422@sybase.sybase.com> black@sybase.com
(Christina Black) writes:

>Ok, folks, what do you do with "Black" and "Wedel" (pronounced like
>"wheedle")?  "Wack"?  "Bledel"?

In fact I know two Blaedels, one of them a van Blaedel,
actually.  Both from Belgium.

-- 
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From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: "Advocate" editor interviewed on CNN
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:27:20 GMT

In article <mattm-151092151813@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com
(Matthew Melmon) writes:

>Comparing Dan Quayle to that less-than-human reptilian slime is
>so loathsomely disgusting that I don't even know where to begin.
>"What utter shit!" is about the best I can manage.  Unbelievable,
>purely unbelievable.  I have taken exception to *a* *lot* of 
>Mr. Anderson's posts - but this defies such characterization.
>I swear, despite weighing but 120 pounds, this would have 
>resulted in physical violence.

Take a deep breath.  Think of Jason Priestly.  In fact, digitize his
nude image and post it to the net.

Calmer now?  No?  Think about all those intellectuals you haven't
actually met even though you claim you have but are nevertheless just
as smart as even if they *did* go to MIT or Stanford or wherever,
arrogant bastards, so there--they are dying.  Yes, right before your
eyes even as you read this!

Hope that helped. 

>'Clearly unacceptable behavior?!'  Dahmer exhibited 'Clearly
>unacceptable behavior?!'

I also thought his actions were unfortunate and ill-considered. You are
free, of course, to disagree.



-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:23:04 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <1at35iINNngi@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>
>As I said before, Madonna is the Jayne Mansfield of the 
>'80s and '90s, and if you don't know what that means, then
>you have absolutely no business talking about who is or
>is not an icon.

Other than recognizing the name, I don't know anything about
Jayne Mansfield, but I will suggest that Madonna is an
iconoclast rather than an icon.

--
         David R. Preston   drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
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From: black@sybase.com (Christina Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Toys 'r' Us
Keywords: Whee!
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:27:58 GMT

In article <thaaang.717833484@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
|> Do you have a favorite sex toy? Have you ever given a sex toy a nickname?
|> What criterion do you use in choosing a sex toy (besides size, of course) -
|> does color come into consideration? Heft? Smell? Have you ever used sex
|> toys in your decorating?
 
Most important sex toy:  Basic vibrator, like a scaled-down hand mixer
with a knob instead of beaters.  Made by Osterizer and Sunbeam.  (!?)
The Hitachi Magic Wand, beloved of so many women, just leaves me numb.
Male-oriented attachments (for glans or prostate) are available for the
Osterizer/Sunbeam (buy the attachments from Good Vibrations).
Chris-bob sez check it out.  (I have no idea whether the boy
attachments are any fun, and would be interested in information on that
front.)

Most fun sex toy:  one of those complicated two-prong jobbies.  The
larger goes in circles, the smaller vibrates.  Whoo-ee.

And then there's the vibrating inflatable butt plug -- I recommend it
highly.

|> And lube - have you eroticized the flavor of nonoxynol-9 yet? Do you
|> comparison shop? Would your lube shopping experience be more pleasurable
|> if they allowed sampling? And is Wet still available (I have to go into
|> Iowa to buy lube at all, and I haven't seen Wet there lately; a shame,
|> since I really like the taste, especially when compared with Elbow Grease,
|> the kind I'm using now (well, not *right* now))? What's you're favorite
|> kind?

Good Vibrations in San Francisco has testers so you really can compare.
Watch it with Elbow Grease -- I believe that at least one of their
formulations contains actual grease and is thus not condom-compatible.
Check the label.

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: 100 years of homosexuality
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:31:36 GMT

In article <coolidge@kaa.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>>A book review of a Walt Whitman biography in the NYT reports the word
>>"homosexuality" was added to the English language 100 years ago this year.
>
>How can they tell?
>
Evidently, they cannot. This idea of the date 'homosexuality' as a term
was invented is promoted by David Halperin in his book (that's right)
'One Hundred Years of Homosexuality'. Halperin claims the inventor of
the term is Charles Gilbert Chaddock.

-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543
                         Fax: 805.944.5958

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ssturgis@netcom.com (Scott Sturgis)
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:04:51 GMT

Well is is not as cute in person believe me. And certainly not as young
looking either.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: The Lonster (was: Re: Oregon on Today Show this morning)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:48:43 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1992Oct15.152216.11857@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:


>*What* sphincter?

The around around his neck.  You know, with his head up his ...

You get the picture.


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From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: t-shirt idea
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:28:52 GMT
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University

I have two pins that I wear next to each other, always to great effect.
One shows a photo of George Bush and Dan Quayle, and says "Sh** happened."
The other says "See what happens when you don't vote?"

The pins shamed several of my friends into registering to vote.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 12:59:57 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber):
> 1. A new poster joins a conversation.  This time it is Matt
>
> 2. He says things which infuriate some member of the cabal.

maybe, just maybe, jeff, if you haven't been around long
enough to know what matt has been saying, *you're*
speaking out of ignorance.  perhaps someone who actually
archived his shit will be kind enough to enlighten you.

> I have some advice for y'all.  Try reading what he says, and drop the
> antagonism and see what changes... Perhaps the coversations will go a little
> better.  

i'll read what he says when he posts in a topic which
interests me.  up to this point, his postings which
i have read have been typical republican idiocy.
-- 
Queer Without A Cause!
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: uctlxpd@ucl.ac.uk (Peter Bartlett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ann Lander's YUCK!
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:59:42 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>Here is that  letter....


>-----------------------------------------------------------
>Dear Ann Landers:

>I'm a 34-year-old gay male professional, in the closet and tired of it.

>I watched the press coverage of the parade for Gay Pride Week, and
>as usual, the men representing the gay community were sashaying 
>around in wigs, dresses, chaps, and harnesses.

[lot's omitted, since who wants to read all that AGAIN]

>Sabotaged in Calgary

Wigs, dresses, chaps and harnesses?  In CALGARY?!?!? Things are looking
up ... ;)

peter.
From: ltucker@next.com (Lee Tucker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Iowa Pronunciations (was Re: Joan-Rhymes (was Re: Sean))
Keywords: iowa pronunciation
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:21:54 GMT
Reply-To: ltucker@next.com

In article <1b73f7INNs34@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu  
(adolphson) writes:
[...]
> Yes, Jack is from Kentucky.  Even though I've lived in California
> since I was 1.5 years old, I picked up some of my parents'
> Iowa accent.  Pin/pen is a problem for me.  Rid/red is a *big*
> problem for me, but in the other direction.  So if I'm tired and
> not paying attention, I'll write with a "pin", but I'll want to
> "get red" of something I no longer want to have arou  Is As I've
> mentioned before, I am incredibly thankful I don't, as my
> parents do, "warsh up" or plan to visit "Warshington".  (By the
> way, to bring up a thread from several months ago, my mother is
> from Iowa and my father is from Ioway.)
> 
> Arne

Be thankful that your parents didn't come from the northeastern corner  
of Iowa where it is even worse.  My parents moved the family to Dubuque  
just as I was entering high school.  In addition to wash->warsh, people  
from Dubuque convert sink->zinc and you->yous (second person plural  
only).   As in:

     Why don't yous guys warsh those dirty hands off in the zinc?

Mercifully, I had better educated parents and a better grasp of English  
than to inherit these wonderful idiosyncrasies.  Even typing them  
hurts.

Obmotss relevance:  To give you an idea of the level of acceptance for  
people with different lifestyles in Dubuque County, I'll share with you  
that a local cross burning incident was the discussion on one of the  
nationwide talk shows.  (I can't remember if it was Donahue or  
Geraldo...)   My parents, when asked, now wisely explain that they are  
from Durango, Iowa.    It's a small town about 5 miles outside of  
Dubuque.

	Lee

e-mail: Lee_Tucker@next.com


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From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Results of Sexual Orientation---Handedness Surveys!
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:39:05 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <1asa4uINNntv@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> tachyon@cats.ucsc.edu (Tane' Tachyon) writes:
>
>Yeah, "left" and "right" is something that has never become automatic
>for me,
>I think part of this is
>on some level never being sure whether I think (for example) "left"
>should mean pointing away from myself with my left hand or pointing in
>towards myself with my left hand.  :-)

I don't have any trouble with left and right, but I'm taking
ASL (American Sign Language) now and "west" and "east" are a
little confusing. Generally, when I think of west and east, I'm
imagining looking at a map with north being up, south is down,
west to the left and east to the right. Right? But if you sign
the concept of 'west', you must point in the direction that west
would be to the person to whom you're signing. Right. Right? :-)

--
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               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: 100 years of homosexuality
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:15:18 GMT

In article <coolidge@kaa.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>>A book review of a Walt Whitman biography in the NYT reports the word
>>"homosexuality" was added to the English language 100 years ago this year.
>
>How can they tell?

I think in this particular instance it appeared in a scientific article and
was quickly adopted.
Dictionary originators keep citations databases of the first time a word
appears in a media, usually print.  The Oxford English Dictionary prints these
citations.
Various words for the motss-sexual acts have been around forever.  Words for
sexual orientation, preference, lifstyle, subculture are more recent,
although a new word doesn't imply it wasn't around before.
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Rainbow Flag
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:46:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct8.024613.20662
Organization: insert anything here

markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>schiles@us.oracle.com writes:
>> [a story about flying the rainbow flag in SF over a library]

>"Being acknowledge" is apparantly one of those 'special rights' which
>some folks claim we want so bad.

>Personally, the main special right I want is the one which says that I
>won't get death threats.  Or maybe the one which says that after
>passing co-workers in the hallway, a casual "He's one of *them*, wait
>until after the election" won't come drifting my way.

	???!

BBC
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 23:38:23 GMT


In article <ldoun7INNr11@spim.mti.sgi.com>
dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>In article <1992Oct14.183409.22436@tc.cornell.edu>,
shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu

>My, how clever you are today Melinda.  Do you have anything to say at all
>or are you just venting spleen at someone who decided to voice an opinion
>against the Cabal?

I wouldn't say "sez you," because like you said, that's
pretty dumb.  I considered, "and yer ma wears Army boots and
yer dad wears wedgies," but hell, you're so strange it's
could be true.  C'mon, Jeff, unless your absence was
enforced repodding, which no one cleared with me, I think
"cabal talk" is kinda pointless.

But the current cabal-speak buzzword is "hypocrite,"
remember.  If I were to grant that your "pompous" remark had
a basis in fact, it's clear you intended an insult.

>You impress me so little it boggles the mind.

And that's an insult too.

>You stoop to insults which
>lack wit and cleverness without provacation.

And that's an insult.

>Having dined with Phil
>Ronzone, I have found that though we have differing opinions on almost
>every topic, we do not have to stoop to insults.

What did you and your dinner buddy talk about regarding the
homophobic trash he publishes here.  Surely you took him to
task for that, without insulting, naturally.

>Why can't you do the same?

Time for that buzzword, isn't it?

I have nothing against insult.  But to call others out for
doing it when you're in the midst of doing it yourself seems
more than a slight excess of self-righteous, doesn't it?

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