From: v067rcyf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (AARDVARK)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Religious Stuff
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1992Nov12.071741.15546@deeptht.armory.com>, rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes...
>In article <1992Nov10.065923.21891@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:
>>
>>I am sorry my earlier posts angered you - I said that I didn't mean
>>anybody any harm.
>>
>>The reason I am posting to the groups I did is 1) I am new to Usenet
>>and 2) I started reading some of the posts (stories, mostly) in these four
>>groups and was taken somewhat aback by their content.  I also saw in
>>some of the groups some quite intelligent discussion about the problems of
>>the world.  My response taking those twotypes of posts into consideration
>>was "why don't these people just read the Bible?"
>>
>>Maybe this sounds naive to you, but I come from a very religious family,
>>and I have learned through custom and experience that only Christ
>>through His miracles can save us.  Stories about having sex with airplanes
>>and other things even worse - too horrible to even mention just take the
>>issue away from Christ.
>>
>>Anyway, I am impressed by the sincerity of your posts and the general
>>quality of Usenet.  I cannot believe in the things you do but in
>>retrospect I had no right to criticize them.  You believe what you
>>believe, and I shall continue to believe what I do.  Until then,
>>it's ok with me if we all stop bickering.
>>
>>Wouldn't the world be a much better place if we all could be friends?
>>
>>W/Respect,
>>Steven "Sgreever" Greever
>-------------------------
>Well, Steven, I think you will find that most people, and I don't mean
>some simple majority, but like 90% plus people on the alt.* newsgroups
>are here to tell you that they don't believe that stuff that you were
>taught, and they even think it's so unbelievably wrong that they might
>actually rid the world of that type of belief with a wave of their
>hand, if given the power, and without a second's thought. Many of them like
>me would be happy to rid the world of that form of belief with a wave
>of my hand even if it meant the violent horribly painful death to all
>people who hold such beliefs. That should shock you to your core,
>perhaps, but I assure you that it is true, and that I have devoted a
>fair proportion of my political life trying to do away with people
>like you by any means necessary! I consider you the worst perversion
>of human hopes and aspirations and will do literally anything to stop
>your form of stupidity and return the world to its course before the
>assholes twisted what *might* have been a kindly humanistic teacher's
>words and then put him on a pedestal to stand for the crap that *they*
>wanted. What Yeshua ben Miriam said nobody has the slightest clue,
>really. Even the gospels were a collaboration by people who constantly
>misunderstood the man if he even actually existed. And if you think
>that anything sexual has any inherent evil in it, I would like to see
>you wiped from the face of this earth as fast and as painfully as
>possible, as your kind has taken western culture down the blind alley
>of fear and guilt for much too long. I would gladly give my life to
>get rid of all people who believe as you do. The dark ages are just
>now ending. Get used to it, and by the way, find a better religion.
>Yours really sucks a turd and a half.
>- Steve Walz

I swear i read this in one of Hitler's speeches, or something...
Just relax Mr. Walz, 
take a valium....
people need something to believe in...
who are we to tell anyone their wrong?
granted we shouldn't preach...
but are such hateful threats really necessary?
were you asking to be flamed?
don't you think your beliefs are just as warped?
Just what we need, intolerance...

-----------------------------------------------aardvark


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