From: carlo@wg.estec.esa.nl (CDfreak)
Subject: Re: An option to the s** word
Organization: WG/ESTEC, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 09:25:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.134253.262@afs.com>, Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael
Pizolato) writes:
> 
> When will people on this list realize that they do not live in a vacuum?  If
> you  
> support a behavior that most people don't do (let alone believe is OK), you
> are  
> going to find many who agree with you, but you are also going to be  
> misunderstood and criticized.  There are as many ways to interpret any
> behavior  
> you support as there are people who hear of it.  Why must discussions only 
> > follow some kind of "politically correct" line?  If you can't defend
> against  
> criticism, if you shout down misunderstandings, if you are not willing to
> allow  
> for a diversity of opinion, and if you refuse to see the connections between
> > what you want to do and the rest of the universe, then you are doomed to 
> > eventual failure.  It doesn't matter whether you support CO,
> libertarianism,  
> fundamentalism, or anything else.

 	You are right. I too hate censorship of any sort.The fact is that 	there
seems to be a missing point somewhere: rec.nude has had god 	knows how many
articles explaining what nudism and naturism are about 	and still people write
for BRA SURVEY. I mean, do people write to
	rec.bicycles to talk about cars and motorcycles? Come on now, it is not
	censorship we are talking about here, it is about being practical (in 	this
case I call it sorting!). I read alt.sex and there is plenty of 	room there
for such surveys/articles. 

> 
> Here is just one example:  Even though sex properly has virtually nothing to
> do  
> with CO activities, it is a simple fact that you are going to have those who
> > link the two, and that you are also going to have those who believe that
> CO is  
> wrong.  So what?  Defend your position!  Hiding behind some newsletter that
> has  
> been scrubbed clean of all the "garbage" is not the answer.
> 
	It is not about discussing if being nude is wrong or else that I am 
concerned about. That a great topic. All I am asking is... give Caesar 	what
is Caesar's, you know what I mean? Put things were they belong, 	do not ignore
them, just organize yourself a bit.  

> I support CO activities.  I don't believe that public sex is wrong, but I
> don't  
> advocate it because doing so will only set back the advances that have been
> made  
> on behalf of other CO activities.  I'm not going to fill the newsgroup with
> what  
> you call "garbage" unless I feel I can make a valuable contribution to a  
> discussion.  I will defend my opinions, but I will respect yours, especially
> > when I disagree.  You'll have to deal with that somehow.
> 
> Michael
> 
	
	Could not agree more. I think though that at this point it would be 	wise to
change things: leave rec.nude to what it is and create a 	group called
rec.naturism or rec.nudism. I find the group name  	misleading.


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