HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thomas@clpd (bulli@kodak.com)
Subject: Re: Colo.Memory Systems e-mail address?
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co. - Clinical Diagnostics Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:40:30 GMT

lorance romero (lromero@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:

: does anyone know Colo. Memory Systems email address.  I know a friends
: email name but not the rest.  Thanks in advance.

I once conversed with someone there, his address was "user@csn.org".
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Newsgroups: acs.magnus,comp.mail.misc
From: wgatherg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William Gathergood)
Subject: Re: email at work policy
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:59:55 GMT


In article <1993Jan27.144714.24150@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> khall@magnus.acs.
ohio-state.edu (Keith A Hall) writes:
>In article <9301271317.AA08461@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Mike J. Brown
><mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>>... who have net access at work...
>>... what your office's policy is toward using email and news at work?
>>Do you use it for work?  What % of the time?  Is your office's policy in
>>writing?  What is it?

I concur with Dr. Hall's comments.  Within the public Education system, we are 
seeing E-Mail used in more schools for both research and communications between
colleagues.  Administrators are encouraging the use of E-Mail among their 
employees and, in some cases, are investing time and money to promote its use.
There are currently several teachers in central Ohio who have been named
"Clinical Educators."  Their salaries are subsidized by both their own schools 
and Ohio State University in order to buy half their teaching time, which is 
used to promote new concepts at the designated professional development sites.
E-Mail is an important part of that process as Clinical Educators communicate 
with each other and the world.  They are "expected" to use E-Mail for part of 
their day.  The PDS program might be successful without E-Mail, but the range 
of its success would be limited and duplication of effort would hamper the 
progress over several years.

BILL GATHERGOOD          wgatherg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: IBM employee's E-mail address?
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:37:10 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 21 Jan 93 22:18:13 GMT, white@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jon White) said:

Jon> My experience has been that the IBMer has to have special permission to have 
Jon> Internet access.  I would guess that most don't.  When I sent queries to 
Jon> postmaster@ibm.com I got no response at all.  And this was before most of the
Jon> layoffs....

1.  IBMers have to register for the Internet gateway, but no special permission
is required.

2.  The postmaster is *extremely* good about answering mail.  I'm amazed that
you didn't receive a reply.  Are you sure the mail arrived there?

3.  There have been no layoffs in IBM in over 50 years.  IBM is asking for
voluntary retirement and relocation from some employees, many whom are enjoying
the opportunity to bridge to retirement.  IBM has said that some lines of
business may resort to layoffs if their lines of business can not be profitable
otherwise.
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Ski to live, live to ski                                           ISSC Boulder
From: tron@Veritas.COM (Ronald S. Karr)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: (not an) RFC: mailbox format
Date: 24 Jan 93 07:57:59 GMT
Organization: VERITAS Software

In article <MS-C.727558720.377401575.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
>Les Mikesell:
>
>     I am familiar with quite a few mailbox formats.  mbox is easily
>the worst of the bunch.  But it had one great saving grace; you could
>edit the mailbox file with a text editor.  Now, thanks to some cretins
>in the ``consider it standard'' SysV world, that sole advantage has
>been destroyed.

Well, you can always remove the Content-Length header.  Then, the SVR4
and SunOS (I presume) MUAs wil go back to the old method.  However, you
will have to put the > back in from the of any "From " lines.  Also,
the base SVR4 mailx (perhaps the mailx from Sun, too) requires a > in
front of "from ", as well (which is QUITE annoying).

Personally, I like the new format.  It is the only UNIX mbox file format
that can handle arbitrary binary, and it also makes SVR4 mailx MUCH
faster at reading very large mbox files.

With respect to editing mbox files, mailx has an edit command for
editing messages within an mbox file.  Other MUAs should, too.  This
command adjusts the Content-Length fields automatically.  I admit that
you can't edit the mbox file directly, but its better to do that kind
of thing with locks in place, anyway, which requires a structured
program for doing the editing, such as mailx.
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From: nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: re: navy contact
Date: 22 Jan 1993 11:17:55 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

J Turner <lturnerj@cc.curtin.edu.au> asks

> Can anyone help me contact the Tactical Training Group Pacific of the US
> Navy?  I have tried using my gopher here and am not having much success. 
> They may not have any access but I'm sure the navy has some access. 
> Please reply to me directly. 

For the benefit of the group, many US military hosts are easier to find if
you give the name of the base or installation on which they are located. 

With or without that, though, your best bet for help might be
postmaster@hawaii-emh1.pacom.mil or postmaster@ddn-pac.ddn.mil.  If they
fail, then any of the contacts shown below _might_ take an interest. 

Ric <nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil>  <nauen%wrmain.decnet@detrick-emh1.army.mil>
           ^^^^^Walter Reed Army Institute of Research
        U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Whois: dom navy
Navy (NAVY-DOM)                                                  NAVY.MIL
Navy - Pacific Command (PACOM-DOM)                              PACOM.MIL
Navy Personnel Research and Development Center (NPRDC-NAVY-DOM) 
                                                           NPRDC.NAVY.MIL

Whois: pacom-dom
Navy - Pacific Command (PACOM-DOM)
   Camp H.M. Smith, HI
   Domain Name: PACOM.MIL
   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Hiner, Frances A.  (FAH4)  DATABASE@HAWAII-EMH1.PACOM.MIL

Naval Data Automation Facility (NAVDAF) (PERLHRBR-IMP)
   Pearl Harbor, HI 96860
   Coordinator:
      Frank, Gilbert A.  (GF20)  ISTC-NSC@HAWAII-EMH1.PACOM.MIL

Naval Communications Area (FINEGAYAN-IMP)
   Finegayan
   GUAM
   Coordinator:
      McIntosh, Mort S.  (MSM2)  nsc-m250@DDN-PAC.DDN.MIL

Wheeler Air Force Base (DDN-PAC)
   Defense Communications Agency (DCA)
   Wahiawa, HI 96854-5000
   Host Administrator:
      Theos, Robert F.  (RFT1)  rtheos@DDN-PAC.DDN.MIL
   Coordinator:
      Overrein, Roger  (RO22)  overrein@DDN-PAC.DDN.MIL

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: mancic@rpi.edu (Cesare Mancini(KB2NOW))
Subject: Prodigy
Reply-To: mancic@rpi.edu
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:33:31 GMT

I was wondering if there was any way to mail from internet to prodigy.
I heard something about mailing to <userID>@inetgate.prodigy.com
but this didnt work.
thanks

Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:4481 comp.sources.wanted:5792 news.answers:5413
From: melman@osf.org (Howard Melman)
Subject: Mail to Switzerland
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:48:16


I have a friend trying to send mail to someone in Switzerland.  The only
information we have for the address is:

    ARCOM 400 service, 11003, mail box # SZZ867. 

Anyone have any ideas?  I couldn't find anything in the Inter-network Mail
Guide.  Thanks.

Howard



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Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:4441 comp.os.vms:21610
From: jody@lib.haifa.ac.il (Yosef Branse)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.os.vms
Subject: VMS Mail - Can I Affix Username to PRINT Job?
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:35:09 GMT
Organization: Haifa University Library

[Note - I made a clumsy error posting this earlier. My apologies if it turns up
more than once.]

We are using VMS MAIL (VMS 5.5-2 on a VAX 6320).

Several users send their MAIL messages, with the PRINT command, to the same
printer. If they don't collect them within a day or two, it is not always
possible to know who originated the print job - for instance, if the message
comes from a mailing list, or was sent to more than one person.

Is there a way of instructing PRINT to include brief user information at the
top of each printed message - analogous to the /HEADER qualifier of the DCL
PRINT command? All I need is the username, but date and time would be useful
too.

I tried PRINT/FLAG and PRINT/BURST, but it seems ridiculous to generate a
superfluous page of gobbbledygook when a single line of information would do.

Any ideas? (I KNOW that I could probably get away with just discarding print
jobs that accumulate after a day or two, but I'd like to give my coworkers the
benefit of the doubt.)

Thanks in advance,

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* Yosef (Jody) Branse             University of Haifa Library              *
*                                 Mt. Carmel, Haifa 31905, Israel          *
* Internet/ILAN:     JODY@LIB.HAIFA.AC.IL                                  *
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: mazzucch@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (massimo mazzucchi)
Subject: info bin-ascii
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:05:15 GMT


HI

i am MAx from Milan

i will know if exist a program to convert binary in ascii and ascii
to binary under S.O. UNIX

I used uuencode/uudecode but it must use mailx or elm. 
is it possible not using mailbox?

the decodificator will be to use on pc dos or amiga.

thanks and bye
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!  University of State                       mazzucch@ghost.dsi.unimi.it      !
!  Computer Science Departement             internet:                         ! 
!  Via Comelico, 41 -  20133 MILAN ITALY     149.132.2.1                      !
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: hbae@cwis.unomaha.edu (Hansang Bae)
Subject: Texas Instruments<->internet??
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:25:19 GMT

Hello everyone.  Is it possible to e-mail someone who works for Texas
Instruments?  I tried to look for the Inter-Network Mail Guide" but
was unable to find it.  He works for TI in Korea and has an e-mail account
that he checks regularly.Corp is located in Dallas I believe.  The person
has no Idea how to do this.  Thank you very much
Hansang
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
Subject: Re: Novell to IP mail gateway
Organization: Victoria University, PO Box 600, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:43:27 GMT


In article <1993Jan22.004315.26204@actrix.gen.nz>, Quentin.Smart@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
|> In article <1993Jan20.153833.10985@das.harvard.edu> sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) writes:
|> > 
|> > Currently getting email from the PCs to the university backbone involves
|> > going through three (or four, depends on how you count them) machines.
|> > .... 
|> > What are the alternatives? Are there any free or inexpensive software
|> > packages?
|> 
|> What mail package's are you using? 
|> Some, most? of the comercial Mail packages have SMTP gateways that mean you
|> don't need the complication of a MHS hub, but then you will usly be running
|> their version of a HUB.
|> I guess the expensive options would be to use:
|>  
|>  MS-Mail (There has been talk about inadequacies of their SMTP gateway)
|>  
|>  CC: Mail (Lotus have a SMTP gateway of rthis but it's V.Expensive)
|>  
|>  WPOffice They currently don't produce a PC SMTP gateway but there are 3rd
|>  party options available. (Email me for more info on this one)

We're using Quentin's WPOffice PC SMTP gateway here. It's straightforward to
install and works well.

I have no connection with his company other that as a satisfied customer.
From: alsu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alan Su)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Compuserve...
Date: 28 Jan 1993 00:51:00 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu


(I hope this is the right newsgroup...)
I have a bunch of numbers that is supposed to be effectively the e-mail
address of a company which has a forum on Compuserve.  How do I write to it
from my Internet account?  Thanks in advance...
-- 
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-alsu@ocf.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: gclar00@nx33.mik.uky.edu (garland clark)
Subject: Mail addresses
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:35:26 GMT


Anybody know how to find the address of someone at the Citadel in S>  
Carolina. Thank you.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.unix.admin
From: ptrubey@netcom.com (Phil Trubey)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Mail SMTP Gateway
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:52:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.055752.6255@frcs.Alt.ZA> paul@frcs.Alt.ZA (Paul Nash) writes:
>ptrubey@netcom.com (Phil Trubey) writes:
>
>> We have found that our SMTP gateway stays up for about a day at a time
>> before the MM program freezes (interestingly enough the machine usually
>> can still be pinged while the gateway program is frozen).
>
>I have seen this as well (a _lot_).  A client's gateway (which handles
>a lot of traffic, ~500 messages/day) used to freeze in much the same way
>after ~1 hour.  We replaced the hardware with a solid 33MHz 386, two
>SMC cards, etc, and pushed up the MTBF to ~4 hours.  We now have a 
>TSR that reboots the machine every hour :-).  Kludgey, but it's all
>that we can do, until MS fix their mailer (or I can persuade their
>PtBs to trash MS-Mail -- a far better option, although logistically
>difficult with some 30-odd mailboxes and 5-6000 users).

I reported a week ago that we had been having problems with our
gateway freezing every day or so.  Well, since then, we reconfigured
our gateway to give it more DOS memory for the SMTP gateway program
and things have improved dramatically since.

Before, we used to have about 400K of DOS memory before running the
SMTP gateway program.  I re-organized things and we now have about 500K
of DOS memory.  Since this change, we haven't had a freeze yet.

Maybe this is the cause of other people's MS Mail SMTP gateway problems?

-- 

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Systemhouse Inc.              | Voice:    415-327-8337
                              | Fax:      415-243-0471
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Microsoft Mail SMTP Gateway
From: Flint.Waters@uwyo.edu (Flint Waters)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:03:39
 <1993Jan11.052748.7699@timesink.chi.il.us> <1993Jan21.040804.24532@netcom.com>
Distribution: comp.mail.misc,world
Organization: University of Wyoming


|> If anyone has gone the MS-MAIL with SMTP gateway route, I'd be 
|> interested in your experiences so far. Especially...

We are running this gateway on LWP 4.1 and it has been since I installed it
two weeks without errors.  Our load is still fairly small so I don't know how 
much this might help.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Help needed on Telecom Gold gateways? 
From: Sean_Fausett@kcbbs.gen.nz (Sean Fausett)
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:15:46 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

 
Help, 
 
I have been trying to establish 2-way e-mail with a company in the UK 
whereby they use Telecom Gold (TG) and I use the Internet only. 
 
I have been using Starnet but it is proving too costly! Via Starnet I would 
address the company as "10084:MAG31653" (quotes excluded). I have since been 
able to send (but not receive!) e-mail via Internet if I use the address 
"10084.mag31653@gateway-to-gold.interspan.gb". On first using this address I 
received e-mail saying a dummy TG mailbox had been created for me, but the 
company in the UK has had no success in replying to this mailbox! 
 
Has anyone else tried using this 'gateway-to-gold' with success? Are there 
other gateways that possibly bypass the messy business of requiring a 'dummy' 
TG mailbox ID? *Any* help appreciated. 
 
Cheers, Sean. 
 

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From: nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Mail addresses
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:10:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: deepthou.9301271910.AA27211
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In <C1HzJ3.Et0@ms.uky.edu> gclar00@nx33.mik.uky.edu (garland clark) asks

> Anybody know how to find the address of someone at the Citadel in S>
> Carolina. Thank you. 

Try postmaster@citadel.edu

If that fails, use whois to get the citadel-dom record, which should show
valid addresses for domain contacts.  Write to postmaster @ one of those 
addresses.

If you don't know how to use whois, ask for user help at your location.

Ric <nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil>  <nauen%wrmain.decnet@detrick-emh1.army.mil>
           ^^^^^Walter Reed Army Institute of Research
        U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Whois: the citadel
The Citadel (CITADEL-DOM)                                       CITADEL.EDU
The Citadel (NET-CITADEL-NET)   CITADEL                        192.101.79.0
The Citadel (NET-CITNET-B)      CITNET-B                        155.225.0.0
From: weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: How do I write an email server? (Respond via email, please)
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:14:18 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University


I am interested in any pointer someone can give me on how to write an 
email server for a UNIX system. I'd like to be able to set up an account
that people can email, with messages that would be interpreted, and
the emailee would receive information back based on the message they sent.
Basic stuff, I'm sure, but I'm not quite clear how to go about it. Is
there a book or document of some sort I could look up?

If this is in the wrong newsgroup, please tell me where I ought to post
it. In any case, please email me responses, as I don't read this newsgroup
generally.

Thanks very much.


-- 
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                   Richard H. Kirk of Cabaret Voltaire, on whether his band is
                   avant-garde: "With a name like Cabaret Voltaire, I think 
                   we've used up quite enough French words already, really."
From: tcahoon@msen.com (Tim Cahoon)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: PC<=>UNIX, serial Mail
Date: 22 Jan 1993 05:05:05 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

I have a request from a user.  They want PCs to dial into either our SCO
ODT box (currently 1.2 going to 2.0) or HP-UX 8.0 Series 817, to pick up
and drop off mail.  Mail comes down to the system via CCMAIL SMTP gateway
from out Novell LAN running CCMAIL.  They want to use the unix box because
Novell dialup via LanFast modems are so slow.

They want to compose messages offline.  Dial in, send & receive messages,
hangup, and the read offline.  (Just like Compuservs CIM).

Any Suggestions????

Thanks,

Tim Cahoon
Federal-Mogul Corp.
(313) 354-9453                    
tcahoon@msen.com

Views expressed are mine..All mine..and nobody elses..........



Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: gtd543a@sol.crt.columbia.edu (death)
Subject: How to CREATE a mailing list?
Organization: Purgatory
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:57:59 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Reply-To: gtd543a@prism.gatech.edu
X-Posted-From: sundial.gatech.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

[ Article crossposted from news.newusers.questions,comp.mail.misc ]
[ Author was death ]
[ Posted on Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:12:07 GMT ]

Is there some way I can create a mailing list by some way other
than through the local system adminstrator?  They have a distinct
rule against mailing lists unless they are for school purposes (I want
to create one for a programming group).

Is there any place which will allow you to create a mailing list?  Or
anybody?

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Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:4494 comp.mail.uucp:2625
From: burtonk@cairns.UUCP (Kelvin Burton)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: MMDFII and NIFTP channel
Keywords: MMDF NIFTP
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:59:46 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Mercy Ships



I am looking for information on how to configure the .chan & .dom
files for the NIFTP channel of MMDFII.  I am hoping to develop a 
batching channel for subsequent transmission via uucp between our SCO
UNIX systems at our various land bases and on our ships.

I have compiled the s/w from the distribution on uunet but cannot get
the NIFTP agent to complete successfully.  I am trying to get the
"confstr" to call my own process.

I would welcome any assistance anyone can provide - preferably by email.  
I will post a summary of responses.


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From: normdec@vnet.ibm.com (Norm deCarteret)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:51:42 EST
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: IBM employee's E-mail address

> My experience has been that the IBMer has to have special permission
> When I sent queries to postmaster@ibm.com I got no response at all
> And this was before most of the layoffs.

All that is either very old or very inaccurate or both.
 - Any IBMer can register for Internet with no permission whatever.
 - The postmaster@ibm.com is a good friend of mine :-)  I know he answers
   all mail;  but it is true, there was a time when mail there got
   erratic response  (> 18 months ago)
 - There still have been NO layoffs;  some 40,000 people have taken
   incentives to leave and a very few fired for cause but that's it.
   So far.  There's been plenty written about individual business units
   and the "Full Employment" policy in 1993, so it IS subject to change.

Norm deCarteret        nsdec@vnet.ibm.com      Advantis Special Projects