HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: msawyer@mael.soest.hawaii.edu (Michael Sawyer)
Subject: Re: Where it came from (was Re: Survey)
Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:07:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.193654.25411@samba.oit.unc.edu> Jesse.Taylor@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jesse Taylor) writes:
>In article <z+!n1_d.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>In article <920818174711_70253.2621_CHC74-1@CompuServe.COM> 
>>70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin) writes:
>>>When you die, where will you go?  (in the ground is not a valid answer)
>>
>>Usenet.  It was sent from CompuServe using the mail-to-news gateway at
>>Berkeley.  Unless they have another account somewhere, they won't even see
>>any followups. 
>	Hmm... Maybe someone should collect all the replies and mail them
>to those wannabe social reformers? <grin>

Remember, on CompuServe, they have to _PAY_ to read their mail.  We
wouldn't want a bunch of people from this group to all send them
copies, now would we?  :>
-- 
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University of Hawaii Physical Oceanography/Satellite Remote Sensing
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From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dart the Witchling)
Newsgroups: alt.evil,alt.pagan,soc.motss,rec.games.frp,alt.atheism,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage,sci.physics
Subject: Re: Survey
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:12:45 GMT
Followup-To: alt.evil
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <920818174711_70253.2621_CHC74-1@CompuServe.COM> 70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin) writes:
>When you die, where will you go?  (in the ground is not a valid answer)

	You will be turned into a sacred mao button and distributed to the
poor in the region of Thud.

>
>If you were to die today, would you go to heaven?

	No, I would be turned into a Sacred mao button and distributed to
the poor in the region of Thud.

>
>If you were to die today and God asked you, "Why should I let you into my
>heaven?" What would you say?

	I've met God, and she's a girl!  Her name is Eris, and she's crazy!
She created all this chaos, like stupid bad-choice cross posting!

>
>What is my "agenda" for asking these questions?  Just curious.

	Your agenda is "curiosity" you said so on alt.satanism.

>
	But why, dear fellow, did you post this here?
	I can understand alt.pagan, alt.magick (did you miss that one?),
alt.satanism, talk.religion.misc, and so on, but why rec.games.frp?
	Is there some religion attached to gaming?
	Why didn't you just collect login-addresses and mail out a chain
questionnaire to all gamers asking what religions they followed?
	And why do you assume God is something that can ask someone something?
	Why do you even assume SHe'd want to?
	.
					D
Newsgroups: alt.evil,alt.pagan,soc.motss,rec.games.frp,alt.atheism,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage,sci.physics
From: lemoine@chemvx.tamu.edu (Brett G. Lemoine)
Subject: Re: Survey
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University - Chemistry Dept. Programmer
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:01:00 GMT

In article <920818174711_70253.2621_CHC74-1@CompuServe.COM>, 70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin) writes...
}When you die, where will you go?  (in the ground is not a valid answer)

depends on what you mean by 'you'. If you mean my body, "in the ground" is
the only answer I can give. If you mean my consciousness, I would say that
the process of electro-chemical interactions that causes me to perceive
of a 'self' will cease to operate. A similar question, IMO, would be to ask
where your program 'goes' if someone turns off the computer while you are
programming, but before you have saved to disk. It doesn't "go" anywhere,
it simply ceases to inhabit the circutry in RAM.

}If you were to die today, would you go to heaven?

If you were to die today, would you go to Oz?

}If you were to die today and God asked you, "Why should I let you into my
}heaven?" What would you say?

Assuming that such a thing even _could_ happen, I would say, 'you shouldn't,
and further more, I don't want to exist in "your" heaven; just let me not
exist.'

}What is my "agenda" for asking these questions?  Just curious.

either bordom, are you really think that 1) these are original questions,
and 2) that we could only have answers that agree with your precepts.

}Bye,
}CDC

}-IvArch->--------------------------Brett G. Lemoine-------------------->
}-Texas A&M University--------------Chemistry Department Programmer----->
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Newsgroups: alt.evil,alt.pagan,soc.motss,rec.games.frp,alt.atheism,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage,sci.physics
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Where it came from (was Re: Survey)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 03:25:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <920818174711_70253.2621_CHC74-1@CompuServe.COM> 
70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin) writes:

>When you die, where will you go?  (in the ground is not a valid answer)

Just want to point out something about this posting.  It didn't come from
Usenet.  It was sent from CompuServe using the mail-to-news gateway at
Berkeley.  Unless they have another account somewhere, they won't even see
any followups. 

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From: flashg@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Shawn Tristan Gorden)
Newsgroups: alt.evil
Subject: Need Bomb Books!
Date: 18 Aug 1992 10:47:49 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu


Greetings fellow evil doers!

 

                                                                                  C
   	A few years back I encountered a book called "Getting Even."  It contained all sorts of information and ideas on neferous misdoing and causing general chaos and misery in the lives of those who may or may not have deserved it.  I was wondering if anyone knew where I could get a copy of this book or some of the other titles common among evil doers such as, "The Anarchists Cookbook", or     "The Poor Man's James Bond."

                               Thanks in advance,
                                      
                             Shawn Gorden A.K.A &**%$ A
Newsgroups: alt.evil,alt.pagan,alt.atheism,alt.religion.emacs
From: trost@romulus.reed.edu (Bill Trost)
Subject: Re: Survey
Organization: Reed College
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:24:47 GMT

In article <920818174611_70253.2621_CHC74-1@CompuServe.COM> 70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin) writes:

   If you were to die today, would you go to heaven?

But I'm already *in* heaven -- I use emacs!  I use it for my mail, I
use to to read news, I use it for *everything*!

   When you die, where will you go?  (in the ground is not a valid
   answer)

I'd go to an X workstation where I can run *emacs*!!!

   If you were to die today and God asked you, "Why should I let you
   into my heaven?" What would you say?

Because my heart must be pure, and my mind clear of confusion, because
I use emacs for everything!

   What is my "agenda" for asking these questions?  Just curious.

To be enlightened on the value of powerful extensible text editors?


[Don't you just love the folks who blindly post their bizarre
profundities to every newsgroup they can find, whether or not they
know what it's for?]

Oh yes:
     :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)
--
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Reed College Systems Manager  directory

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From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr))
Newsgroups: alt.evil,soc.motss,rec.games.frp,alt.atheism,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage,sci.physics,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Survey
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:41:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: National University of Singapore

You mean... I *am* going to die?!
Newsgroups: alt.evil,alt.pagan,soc.motss,rec.games.frp,alt.atheism,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage,sci.physics
From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Subject: Re: Where it came from (was Re: Survey)
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 03:21:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.022507.10017@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com writes:
>
>I already emailed a copy of my post to them; I was going to do it anyway,
>since they probably won't read any of the groups they posted to. (Why the
>hell is sci.physics in there? And how did they miss alt.mythology and
>alt.sex?)

They missed rec.nude too... we all know that nudity is evil, ungodly and
thus the source of all things immoral, wrong and Democratic, right? :)

BTW, if you ask me, the fact that this zero's email address always seems
to be changing, trying to remain anonymous, says to me that he doesn't
have the strength or determination to stand up for his side. Don't bother
emailing the girly-man, just ignore him... here's a golden opportunity to
use that KILL function you've been hearing so much about!

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From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: Survey
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:35:37 GMT

In article <920818174611_70253.2621_CHC74-1@CompuServe.COM> 70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin) writes:
>When you die, where will you go?  (in the ground is not a valid answer)

Death is death, if the brain no longer exists obviously you can't think...

>If you were to die today, would you go to heaven?

Of course not since there is no heaven. 

>If you were to die today and God asked you, "Why should I let you into my
>heaven?" What would you say?

Well assuming there is a God.
"I spent my life fighting bigotry and evil when I could have taken the
 easy way out of the struggle."
If that wasn't sufficient I would have to wonder why I would want to
be in a place filled with bigots and hypocrits anyways...


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Newsgroups: alt.evil,alt.pagan,soc.motss,rec.games.frp,alt.atheism,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage,sci.physics
From: bcd@fang.att.com (Brendan Dwyer)
Subject: Re: Survey
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:29:54 GMT

From article <920818174611_70253.2621_CHC74-1@CompuServe.COM>, by 70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin):
> When you die, where will you go?  (in the ground is not a valid answer)

Wherever the living decide to put my rotting corpse.  Once my brain is dead
I cease to exist.

> 
> If you were to die today, would you go to heaven?

No, Jersey.  Nothing beats being dead in Southern New Jersey in the summertime.
Oh the memories...

> 
> If you were to die today and God asked you, "Why should I let you into my
> heaven?" What would you say?

"Let me in and I will help you kick the crap out of bible thumping puds with
ears who feel to need to spread the 'Word of You' to people on rec.games.frp
who really couldn't give a flaming rats ass."

> 
> What is my "agenda" for asking these questions?  Just curious.

Based upon your Newsgroups line I'd say your a person with a strong need
to annoy lots of people you don't know.  Am I right?  Do I win?

> 
> Bye,
> CDC
> 

Brendan C. Dwyer

"I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose free will."  N. Peart
Newsgroups: alt.evil,alt.pagan,soc.motss,rec.games.frp,alt.atheism,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage,sci.physics
From: urban@stout.atd.ucar.edu (Art Urban (PROFS))
Subject: Re: Survey
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:47:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.201713.23219@infonode.ingr.com> norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
%adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
%>70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin) writes:
%>>When you die, where will you go?  (in the ground is not a valid answer)
%>'Sheol'...the place of the dead....
%>>If you were to die today, would you go to heaven?
%>Nope...not until the return of Jesus Christ...
%>>If you were to die today and God asked you, "Why should I let you into my
%>>heaven?" What would you say?
%>I would say "You shouldn't".  Have mercy on me a sinner.
%> -Steve
%
%Where the *HELL* did _this_ come from?
%-jeff



Would you believe it came from somebody already dead and buried in the ground,
because he failed to answer god's multiple choice question? 



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Newsgroups: alt.evil,alt.pagan,soc.motss,rec.games.frp,alt.atheism,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage,sci.physics
From: psavoie@terranet.cts.com (Pierre Savoie)
Subject: Re: Survey
Organization: People-Net [terranet], Thornhill Ontario 
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:56:12 GMT

   This stuff about God's Question to his Tenants has been cross-posted, but I
sure wish that no one would encourage it in areas where it has no relevance,
or even meaning.  I'm only on rec.games.frp and when I'm there I want to read
about rec.games.frp stuff.  I'm sure the people who read other specialties
feel the same.
   I have to assume the worst and say that it's a poor attempt to promote
Christian religion in general, by getting us to think on an extremely
hypothetical question, even one promoting falsehood.  These Christians,
conversely, will totally block out the question, "If there is no God, where is
your lifetime of religious contributions REALLY going?"

UUCP: zoo.toronto.edu!generic!terranet!psavoie
ARPA: generic!terranet!psavoie@zoo.toronto.edu
INET: psavoie@terranet.cts.com
From: adrothst@athena.mit.edu (Andrew D Rothstein)
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
Subject: Co-op reference books
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:24:17 GMT
Followup-To: alt.co-ops
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


Does anyone out there have a listing of good reference books on cooperative
living groups?  Especially on how to set a new one up and all that.  Also, are
there any meta-coops out there?  What I mean by that is are there any groups that
encompass many small co-ops, in order to give them more political and economic
(to get group health insurance for example) power?  Thanks for the information in
advance.  Replies can be posted or e-mailed.


Andy Rothstein
adrothst@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
From: kingdon@east-wind.org (Jim Kingdon)
Subject: Re: Service Equity
Organization: East Wind Community, Tecumseh, Missouri, USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:06:37 GMT

    A person . . . would make a refundable investment in the coop.  The
    coop would be obligated to repay the face value of the investment in
    some specified time after a request for such is made.  Three to six
    months might be reasonable. . . .twice the prevailing interest rates
    on local savings accounts would be given to a non-profit of the
    member's choice

Many co-ops have a member loan program.  For the Boston Food Co-op in
1990, they were paying 8.5% on two year loans of $3000 or more.  At
the time savings accounts were paying something in the 5 or 6% range.

I would agree that member loans are safer than equity from an
ideological perspective, and so would prefer them if they are
sufficient to raise enough capital.

The idea of paying the interest to a non-profit in the form of
discounts is an interesting one.  I suppose the way a non-profit could
best make use of such discounts is to auction them off at a
fund-raiser.  I guess my reaction is that this would constain the
amount of capital available too much--if only people who don't want
interest loan money, you won't get so much (take me, for example.
I've been known to make loans to good causes for somewhat below market
rates, but haven't (not yet at least) made interest-free loans).
From: 2053nsco@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
Subject: Re: Co-op reference books
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:31:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.202417.6180@athena.mit.edu> adrothst@athena.mit.edu (Andrew D Rothstein) writes:


>Does anyone out there have a listing of good reference books on cooperative
>living groups?  Especially on how to set a new one up and all that.  Also, are
>there any meta-coops out there?  What I mean by that is are there any groups that
>encompass many small co-ops, in order to give them more political and economic
>(to get group health insurance for example) power?  Thanks for the information in
>advance.  Replies can be posted or e-mailed.


>Andy Rothstein

The North American Students of Cooperation (NASCO) has information on
these subjects.  They can be reached at P.O. Box 7715, Ann Arbor, MI
48107-7715; (313) 663-0889.

Renee Ordeneaux
NASCO Staff

>adrothst@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
From: ggmoj@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Mark Jackson, Geography, Uni of Newcastle, NSW)
Subject: re: letsystems
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:54:23 GMT

Thanks to people who replied. I will reply personally a bit later. If people
have more info, keep it coming!
Mark 
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
From: lagemaat@cs.utwente.nl (Jeroen van de Lagemaat)
Subject: Re: LOTOS, results, courses, co-ops
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:03:38 GMT

In article <1337700015@igc.org>, Robert Abrams <rabrams@igc.org> writes:
|> 
|> What exactly is LOTOS?
|> 
|> Bob Abrams
|> 
|> 

I post this because others may have the same question.

Its not Lotus!

It is a language to describe functional behaviour of systems in terms of:
- IO actions, called events in LOTOS which take place at gates (interfaces)
- ordering of events i.e. parallel, sequence, interruption
- structuring of events in processes
- data-type definition of type s passed in IO actions
- hiding of internal gates
[LOTOS: Language of temporal ordering specifications]

What you can do with it: [some examples]
- specify the ordering of actions at user interfaces
- specify the ordering of actions at system interfaces
- structure the description to reflect structure of your system
  using internal gates

What is its support:
- Tools: editors, animator, report generators, compilers (to C and ADA),
         verifiers etc, all integrated in one environment
- Several companies who distribute tools and support the use of language and tools
- The language itself is standardized

Where has it been applied:
- Description of standards [OSI]
- Manufacturing Control, design of a plant for CAD/CAM
- Safety regulations
- Space on-board systems
- Safety critical hard and software systems
- OSI protocols and ISDN protocols and end-systems
- Multi-media information systems
- ....

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From: Robert Abrams <rabrams@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:38 PDT
Subject: Re: LOTOS, results, courses, co-ops
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug12.123555@cs.utwente.nl:-1030249266:cdp:1337700015:000:36
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!rabrams    Aug 12 12:38:00 1992


What exactly is LOTOS?

Bob Abrams
From: Robert Abrams <rabrams@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:41 PDT
Subject: Re: Service Equity
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1337700017:cdp:1337700018:000:189
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!rabrams    Aug 22 15:41:00 1992


Obviously, the service equity idea wouldn't be the only mechanism
a coop would use to raise capital, but as part of a package of
options it might bring in a little extra.

Robert Abrams

,
From: Robert Abrams <rabrams@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:02 PDT
Subject: Re: LOTOS, results, courses, co-ops
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug12.123555@cs.utwente.nl:-1030249266:cdp:1337700016:000:164
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!rabrams    Aug 16 19:02:00 1992


Jeroen,

Thankyou for your description of LOTOS, but I still do not
understand what gives this programming language special relevance
for cooperatives?

Bob Abrams