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Subject:      Handicap Digest # 2940

                             THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                                 Issue # 2940

                        Wednesday, September 09, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                           Re: GREY MARE COMMENTS
                                Re: laughter
                               Re: grace land
                                Re: laughter
                           SPORTS INFORMATION.....
                             Welcome San Angelo!
                                 Cued Speech
                               CAMP MARK SEVEN
                        More people coming into echo.
                                    Book


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Subject: Re: GREY MARE COMMENTS
From: Sheila.Fava@f68.n382.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila Fava)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:382/68 - Diabetes Discussion, Austin TX


[This is from the Amputee Conference]

Here is a small (but significant) quote from Shari Messner:

SM> SF> The sponsors never expected any disABLED athletes and had not made
SM> SF> arrangements for special rooms, diets or athletic rules.
SM> SF> They have -now-!

SM> I love it.  Good for you.  Gosh, you are something else.  More power
SM> to you for being willing to compete in *normal* world.

SM> ... they need to *think* ahead and provide for *ALL*.
SM> ...By the way, what do you swim?

Not everyone can compete in a TAB world.  For the longest time I
just competed in disABLED competitions.  Since I have grey hair,
the disABLED athletes thought I could not swim.  The swim meets
became predictable.  Like I said:  TAB competitions are not for
everyone.  I guess I entered those TAB meets because I felt that I
could swim but I -might- be defeated....and to make that statement
(I think...nay, I KNOW the TAB athletic world should be aware of
the disABLED athlete...Profound!).

What do I swim?  Fifty meter Backstroke and fifty meter Freestyle.
I am a sprinter; anything faster and my lungs protest.  People have
asked why I don't do Butterfly or Breaststroke.  Co-ordination of
my hands and feet is the -biggest- prob....lung-power comes in a
close second.

There are disABLED -potential athletes in my State but they have
yet to appear.  Swimming isn't the only sport that a person with a
disABILITY can take part in.  There are many sports for the
disABLED -- almost every TAB sport has been adapted for the
disABLED -- from Archery to Sailing to Track and Field...the list
is almost endless.

BTW:  My State is not Texas.  My State is Nevada and I am calling Texas via
      PCPursuit.

Gonzo!

                    ---Sheila

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Subject: Re: laughter
From: Val.Dunn@f337.n202.z1.fidonet.org (Val Dunn)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:202/337 - Yak Attack BBS, La Mesa CA


[This is from the Amputee Conference]

I fixed that little midnight problem by borrowing a solution from one of
my parapalegic freinds.... I use a large cup like you get at 7 - 11's
and just dump it in the morning when I have my leg on.  I was blessed
with a disfunctional bladder and found it really "messy" to try and put
the leg on and am not awake enough to operate crutches in the middle of
the night and you only need to fill that bucket (leg) up once to realize
this is not good....giggle.  The human body sure knows how to humble
some one fast.

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Subject: Re: grace land
From: Val.Dunn@f337.n202.z1.fidonet.org (Val Dunn)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:202/337 - Yak Attack BBS, La Mesa CA


[This is from the Amputee Conference]

I constantly step on people and try not to laugh when I realize the
funny faces they are making isn't because they are consumed with joy at
seeing me...the wennies are afraid to tell me I'm on thier foot...

I once had a boss chew me out and then yell because I didn't run off to
do her bidding.  I was in tears trying to tell her that if she got OFF
my foot I'd be happy to leave.  Then she apologizes and asks if I'm
ok????  It's rubber silly girl!

I was at a dinner party and was telling a really funny/embarassing story
about one of my girlfriends who was also at the table.  The look of
frustration on her face and pure gloating on mine while she tried to
kick me under the table was great.

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Subject: Re: laughter
From: John.Hargrove@f68.n382.z1.fidonet.org (John Hargrove)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:382/68 - Diabetes Discussion, Austin TX


[This is from the Amputee Conference]

In a message to Shari Messner <08-31-92 20:03> Val Dunn wrote:

VD> I took the leg off and was demonstrating the ankle and wieght and
VD> stuff
VD> while I was sitting on my desk.
VD> I got excited and jumped off the desk and took a step forward....

I've done that.  In bed asleep.  Need to get up and make a run to the
 bathroom.  Next thing I know is I'm on the floor giggling.  Darn forgot to get
 the crutches to make the short trip.

John

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Subject: SPORTS INFORMATION.....
From: Sheila.Fava@f68.n382.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila Fava)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:382/68 - Diabetes Discussion, Austin TX


[This is from the Abled Athlete Conference]

    Here, Andreas, are two addresses for nifty sports equipment:

    Sportaid                         disABLED Outdoors Magazine
    2462 Centerville/Rosebud Rd.     Attention:  John Kopchik, Jr.
    Loganville, GA  30249            5223 S. Lorel Avenur
    Phone:  1-800-743-7203
    Inside GA: 404-979-7203          Phone:  (312)284-2206

    ---------------------------------------------------------------
    You will find the motorized bobber in Sportaid catalog and lots
    of good information and other catalog information in _disABLED_
    _Outdoors_Magazine_.  There are other  catalogs featuring other
    outdoor sports.  Just ask.....

                     ---Sheila

                    *** HOST(ess) ABLED-Athlete Conference ***

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Subject: Welcome San Angelo!
From: Carl.Cogdill@f25.n383.z1.fidonet.org (Carl Cogdill)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:383/25 - Dark Knights, San Angelo TX


[This is from the Abled Athlete Conference]

Sheila,

Currently I am playing B-ball on the Rolling Rams. I have been in a
chair only about 4 yours. This will be my 3rd year well actually
only have played about 1 1/2 years so far. I really am enjoying the
sport. I met some really nice people from the Austin area when we
had our tournament here. We played the River City B-team, Waco
Knights, Dallas girls team and Lubbuck. That was the first year for
the Austin team to make it here. we plan to host the games here
again and we are deffinately going to invite Austin back.

The wheel chair sports have really helped me break back into the
world in physical abilities. I was really happy to see this
national Echo and have mentioned it to all of my friends and non
friends. Well I do not have much to say but thank you for
responding. I atleast know that people in Austin read their mail.

Carl

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Subject: Cued Speech
From: Rick.Catania@f22.n230.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Catania)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:230/22 - The Special Needs B, Whiting IN


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

MT>Hi hope you don't mind me jumping in here - but what is meant by cued
MT>speech --- is that a form of sign language --- this is Mary from Morrow,
MT>Georgia calling  - so hope to hear from you ---

Hello Mary from Morrow!

I'm not exactly sure what cued speech is. If I had to presume, I would
presume it is when someone speaks and signs the words partially or even
partially finger spelling them.

Maybe someone else can elaborate on this....

CUL & TTYL   or better yet......  GA to SK

Rick

 * SLMR 2.1 #T375 * Is this where the tagline goes?

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Subject: CAMP MARK SEVEN
From: Laurel.Gealt@f201.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Laurel Gealt)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:273/201 - US Telematics, Yardley PA


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Some of you might be interested in knowing that I recently spent a
week at Camp Mark Seven, in upstate New York.  This is a camp run
for the deaf, originally just the Catholic deaf, but now expanded
to all the deaf.  This week was a special week to train
late-deafened adults in sign language.        I don't think I
learned that much sign language, but, as my teacher said, you
wouldn't expect to study French for a week, and become a fluent
French speaker.  The countryside was beautiful, the food delicious,
and the people friendly.  I would reccomend it to any late-deafened
adults on this echo who would like to go next year.  A couple of
you (I forget who) told me I would enjoy meeting Sister Maureen
Conway.  Unfortunately, Sister Maureen's mother was sick, so Sister
Maureen could not attend.

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Subject: More people coming into echo.
From: Charles.Cafarelli@f104.n2240.z1.fidonet.org (Charles Cafarelli)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/104 - FoxFire, Flint MI


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Basics;

I'm 52 years old, run the FoxFire BBS out of Flint Michigan and am very
hard of hearing, like close to deaf, had a heart attack last year and am
unable to do the construction work I did for 30 odd years, so back to
school.  Just completed my 1st year of college and looking to Teach
computer repair to deaf and handicapped students in another 3 yrs.  Taking
ASL and using a Phonic-Ear with my hearing aid for the other classes, both
turned up full blast. :)

What I'd like to do is set an account for the deaf students on my BBS,
running through the college, so they could have access to this echo.  The
college I'm going to MOTT is a community College [2yr] but has ties to let
everyone go the full 4 yrs and get a University of Michigan degree.  Mott
is VERY handicapped aware and I'm sure we can set something up to allow the
deaf students full access to the echo.

What I need to know is this ok with the moderator and Fido and most
important will these people get replys to their messages.  I think it's
important to get these people into computer exercises of some kind and this
would be a good place to start.  Looking at 40 students at least, don't
know how many will go for it, but even if 1 does it's a start.

Feedback PLEASE, as if this works, I may open this up to ALL handicapped
echos.

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Subject: Book
From: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Hi Karen,  Ret wanted me to tell you again how much she enjoyed
reading your SHHH Convention reports.  Even though she was at
the convention, she couldn't do everything (NOBODY could).  Your
reports added greatly to her, and my, enjoyment.

The other day while waiting for Ret at the library I was browsing
their "withdrawn" books which were on sale for 25 each.  There
was one - "Personal Computers and the Disabled" by Peter McWilliams -
which I had looked at before (and was not impressed).  But I decided
it was worth a quarter - just to keep it from falling into the wrong
hands - so I bought it.

Riffling through it, I confirmed my prior opinion.  It's still not
a very good book, however I did find one real gem.  There is an
interview with Henry Kisor which is a beauty.  One excerpt:

 McW.  - How have computers changed your life, if indeed they have?

 Kisor - For the first time in my life I am able to roll up as large
         a phone bill as my wife does.

You might want to read the interview.  If your library doesn't have
it I can mail you my copy.  Or maybe I'll try scanning the interview
and see if I can get the OCR working :-)

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