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From: jerryo@pdx103 (Jerry Orleck)
Subject: Re: Bit by bit
Keywords: nn
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:25:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.205734.13192@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese) writes:
>>Yes I am new to rec.sport.basketball.pro.  If I am not follow proper 
>>netiquette or some rules to this subject I apologize.  

>Somebody better drag out the old Net Rules And Code Of Behaviour
>because some of these rookies, sadly, are just "not follow".
>
>Here are just a few of the most important rules and standards.  They
>may seem strange at first, but once you get used to them you will enjoy
>RSBP all the more:
>
>1. Danny Ainge bit Sonny Rollins.
>2. Michael Jordon is Gad.
>3. BLAZERZ R00LZ!!!!
>4. The Celtics get all the calls from the officials.
>5. The Woofing Theorem:  ``The number of playoff games a team wins is
>   inversely proportional to the number of exclamation points and upper-
>   case words in articles posted by the team's fans.''  [J. Oliver, ca. 89]
>
>That should get you started.

6. Pippen shoved the Menace.
7. All disputes are settled with FACT:
8. Never take on Ed.

-- 

Jerry Orleck                                  

jerryo@ichips.intel.com
From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Date: 28 Jul 1992 12:16:26 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

|In article <16832484B.O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller) writes:
|
|    I am getting damn tired of Charles Barkley's mouth and his antics. He
|   is destroying the Dream Team. I just feel sorry for the rest of them because
|   they are making me proud to be an american, Barkley isn't.
|
If Charles is bothering you, how did you feel about the whiners on the men's
volleyball team?  I've never seen such poor sportsmanship!

Rick

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From: law@law.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Patrick Law)
Subject: Re: 1992/1993 Schedule: available for FTP!
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:41:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.181335.21869@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
|> alecb@gacvx1.gac.edu (Alec A. Burkhardt) writes:
|> >I have a day-by-day listing of the 92-93 NBA schedule which I got from
|> >USAToday Sportcenter.
|> 
|> Thanks to Alec, the full schedule is now available for everyone
|> to ftp.  The place is, as usual, wuarchive.wustl.edu.  I created
|> a new directory,
|> 	/doc/misc/nbastats/schedules
|> and it contains two files:
|> 	93
|> 	93-TNT
|> 
|> The first is what I got from Alec.  It has the full schedule,
|> including times and non-standard locations (like Hartford, Japan etc.)
|> The file I got from Alec contained a few typos that must have occured
|> while transferring from USAT.  I fixed these typos before archiving
|> it, so if you have the original you may still want to check it.
|> 
|> The second file is TNT's schedule of NBA games, as posted to the 
|> net a few days ago.
|> 
|> Finally, if you already like the format that I used in the "facts"
|> sub-directory, you can also find the complete schedule in:
|> 	/doc/misc/nbastats/facts/scores/93
|> 
|> 
|> --Gidi
|> 
|> 

Please give internet address of your node (wuarchive.wustl.edu).

Patrick.
From: medanic@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ivan Medanic)
Subject: Re: Game was CLOSE? (WAS: Re: Final Score: 102-70)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:39:21 GMT

grubisic@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Vinko Grubisic) writes:

>In article <1992Jul28.120657.10025@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>>The game was not close.
>>
>>Well, I was amazed that Croatia was only down by 13 after 5 minutes in the 
>>second half.  I started saying, 'Wow, these guys aren't that bad.' Then I 
>>realized that Drazen had 4 fouls, Kukoc had 3, etc... and that it IS 
>>a 40 minute game.
>>
>>Basically, it was a close game on occasions, but overall it wasn't close.
>>The score was pretty indicative of the Croatia v. USA matchup (hell, we even
>>did that without Magic/Stockton and with an injured Bird -- imagine if these
>>guys would have been healthy ;^)

>The big thing that Croatia did that no other team was able to 
>do so far, was actually give the US a struggle in the inside game.  On offence they had a lot
>of good plays down low, and Vrankovic and Radja and others wer capable on the
>defensive end.

>Overall, if Croatia had two more players of sayy Dino Radja calbre ,
>the game might have been really close.

When someone makes this kind of a statement it breaks my heart to think of what
could have been had Yugoslavia stayed together. I am Yugoslavian, in fact half
Croatian and half Serbian so please don't send me mail telling me about the
Civil War and how it's their Serbia's fault. My point is that if Yugoslavia 
would have stayed together the U.S. would be looking at a starting line up of:

point gaurd - Kukoc
shooting gaurd - Petrovic
center - Vrankovic
forward - Divac
forward - Radja

off the bench they would have Paspalj(Serbian), Komazec(Croatian), 
Zdovc(Slovanian).

Now I know this team would still get beat four out of five times by the DT,
but I still would have loved to see the game.

Ivan (Croatia for the gold, hmmm excuse me, I mean silver)
From: bsala@weber.ucsd.edu (Brian Sala)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: business of tv (was Re: REAL TripleCast Numbers)
Date: 24 Jul 1992 00:11:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1643@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.151302.25692@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> nsg@hwperform.austin.ibm.com () writes:
>>
>>My feeling on the subject is: If you don't want it, don't buy it.
>>And quit whining about it. TV isn't some inalienable right which 
>>everyone is entitled to for free, it's a business whose purpose is
>>to make money. Even if the idea of PPV is assinine.
>>
>>
>>
>>-- nik gupte
>
>The business of TV is to serve the public interest. That's the fundamentals of
>the FCC that issues and reviews TV licenses of all over-the-air broadcasters.
>
the business of TV is to make money.  The business of the FCC is to
distribute the rights to make money to whomever the majority parties
in Congress plus the president want to receive those rights, subject
to those license-holders not excessively embarrassing those
politicians by showing hard core pornography during prime time and
subject to them providing free coverage of political theater around
election time.

--brian
bsala@ucsd


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From: "Suzanne Morzajew, MPG, McGill University" <CCSM@MUSICM.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Pocket Schedules Wanted
Organization: McGill University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 22:27:33 GMT

Hi,

I'm looking for pocket schedules.  Any team, any sport, any year.

Please email me if you can help at CCSM@MUSICM.MCGILL.CA.

Thanks

Suzanne
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Sixers Camp News?
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:08:55 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

[ talking about management wanting to start Hornacek]

	If Hornacek were to start, where'd he play?  Shooting guard?  Nope
	Hersey's there.  And no matter how you look at it, Hornacek isn't at
	his best at the point guard slot.  The 3-guard offense has worked in
	the past -- ala the Pistons -- and with all 3 getting equal playing
	time, it really isn't going to matter who's starting.  Hornacek's
	more used to coming off the bench than the other guys -- due to his
	earlier experience -- so that should make him the 1st candidate.

	Jazzy J
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Cut & Paste
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 17:45:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul22.185554.22599@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.153723.28917@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>>if you REALLY believe meeks considered the 3-ptr a homejob, i have a bridge...
>Who cares what he believes, I only care about what he posted. Because that's
>the key of the argument now -- the history of our posts.

Only because you realize the futility of your previous "point", you now try
to confuse and avoid it because you realized that weak position.
>
>In other words, he has to wimp out from the usual definition of "job"
>to make it a semantic argument.

So, ROBBERY is the "usual" definition of "job" Ed???  Does your employer know
what kind of "job" you are doing for them???  Just how much have you managed
to ROB so far???
-- 
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VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
From: erick.meunier@cemef.cma.fr
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: the Man Who Watched Sampson
Keywords: Arvidas Sabonis, Portland
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:09:15 GMT
Reply-To: erick.meunier@cemef.cma.fr()
Organization: Ecole des Mines, Sophia Anitpolis - FRANCE


Hi,

>  What NBA team owns the rights to Lithuanian superman
> Arvidas Sabonis?

The guy was a Terrific player here in Europe They say he was the best Center
of the "rest of the world". He was 2,23m tall (I don't know in inches !).
He was drafted by Portland (1st round) in 1986. The fact that he was 
Lithuanian (USSR at that time), he could not go to USA.

Unfortunately he broke his Achille's tendons in 1987 but the doctors from
Portland offered to take care of him (hoping to sign him afterwards).
He went to Portland, undergone a surgeon and all the possible treatments...
and was back playing to kick the ass (please no flames ! I'm pro american)
of David Robinson and the Us team in Seoul 88 (semi-finals) but also 
walked over Divac (Lakers) and Vrankovic (sweeping the Celtics bench!)
during the finals.

Anyway, he is now 28 but he does not expect to go in the NBA, has he knows
he is not 100% and won't play many minutes... In fact he is now playing in
Spain (in the second division/league => what a pity !!!) for 1 million$.
Of course, there he is making miracles: ~28pts, ~14rbs, ~4assists and
~5blcks.


Regards.
Erick.
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From: harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:24:38 GMT

In article <jjonsson.40@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>What I'm saying is, that no one is passing Karl the ball. He's awfully 
>good at putting it in the hole when he has it.

Malone is a great post player.  However, the US isn't playing a post
game - Malone/Robinson/Ewing are out of it offensively since they
can't keep up with the motion game.  Barkley has the handling skills
to play this open type of game, apparently Malone doesn't.  Even if
the US played a post game, Malone still might not be a huge factor.
Malone does well in the NBA because refs don't call the offensive
foul when he mows over someone on his way to the basket in a post move.
That's been a peeve of mine for years.  I was hoping he would try it
here in the Olympics andI could see if they would call the O foul, but
the style of ball the US has played (and the zone defense) hasn't
gotten him the ball down low very often.

>I guess they'll be surprised when The Jazz kick Phoenix' a** 
>all over the western conference next year. Oh, and Stockton could make *any* 
>player better, even Barkley.

I think you're popping off just a bit too early.  Barkley is showing
us some rather impressive open court skills - something the Suns haven't
had from a big guy in a long time (Andrew "what are these things at the
end of my arms for" Lang).  They also haven't had the leadership he'll
bring, which IMO was their biggest weekness (notice the "was").
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From: gregt@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Greg Tollefson)
Subject: KINGS news, KINGS news......
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:18:12 GMT



The Kings have unconditionally released Dwayne Schintzus (sp?).  I also
believe the Kings eat Dwayne's 800K salary for the year.  As it turns 
out Dwayns has a bad back.  He sat out the last 20-30 games last year
and it appears like he will require surgery if he is to have any hope
of getting back to the NBA.  Once again the Kings have traded solid
contributers for a broken down center.  Jim Petersen to the Warriors
for Ralph Sampson and now Antoinne Carr for Schintzus.  Looks like
Duane Causwell will be backed up by Pete Chilcutt....hey mabye the
Kings could trade for G**g K**e...


Greg T.



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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Bullchit! Re: POGO-stick RETIRES (yes,aint kidding)
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:19:38 GMT

In article <24JUL199209072065@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov>
djd7889@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Douglas J. Deutsch) writes:
 
>In article <1682DE2D5.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu>, EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes...
>>In article <1992Jul23.121221.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>
>>tswilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Sly Fox) writes:
>>
>>>Dennis Rodman, the Detriot Pistons' pogo stick will retire soon to concerate
>>>on his business in Houston. He said he is tired of NBA and have no motivate
>>>to play anymore.
...
>I read the local sports page this morning (Cleveland Plain Dealer) and it
>had mention of Rodman's possible retirement.  I'm not saying that they're
 
Possible retirement is very different from "Pogo stick Retires" or "will
retire".
 
>necessarily correct, but it makes a rumor less 'stupid' when it's from a
>respected newspaper........
 
Rodman has made it clear weeks ago that he doesn't want to continue
playing. The rumor that he has retired is false. Whether he will or won't,
only time will tell.
 
>As if anyone cares......
>
>DJD
 
--Eric
From: IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: KINGS news, KINGS news......
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:31:06 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Jul22.015412.190@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
cb338@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Woo-Ming) says:
>
>P.S. Oh by the way, Greg Kite DID play for the Kings.   :(
                               ^^^                      ^^^^
                         note past tense             parse error.
                                                   Extra ":)" supplied.
Who did they trade away to get him?

Tom Hyer
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Average Centers
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:54:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.140653.827@NeoSoft.com> claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:

>			.
>Let's put this in historical perspective.  I assert that
>A+	Wilt
>	Bill Russell
>	Kareem
>
>A	Willis Reed
>	Robert Parish
>	Wes Unseld
>
>B	Dan Issel
>	Walt Bellamy
>
>C	Bill Cartwright
>	Joe Barry Carroll
>	Ralph Sampson
>
>
>Akeem is an A, Robinson an A-.  Here are the obvious
>questions:
>1.  Was George Mikan an A+?  Walton was, when he played,
>    but I can't decide if he played enough.

     This is a very tough call because the game was different then.   If
we're grading on a curve, Mikan was clearly A+.  If we're grading on
an aboslute scale, then B at best.

>2.  Nate Thurmond:  A-?  B+?
 
     A- or even A.  Thurmond was somewhat overshadowed because his career
overlapped with Wilt, Russell, and Kareem, but he was a very good center.
Kareem said Thurmond gave him more trouble defensively than any other
center.

>3.  Artis Gilmore:  C+?  B+?  What was wrong with Artis,
>    anyway?  It always seemed that he had a body that could
>    do more; did coaches simply not know how to use him?

     This is the only grade I strongly disagree with.  As with Jack
Sikma a few months ago, people are only remembering the guy's last
few seasons, when he was old and decrepit.  Artis was not only one
of the best two centers in the ABA (probably the best) he was for
awhile one of the top 3 in the NBA.  He was for the Bulls in the late
70s what Hakeem is for the Rockets.  Except the Rockets have shown
they can win, for awhile, without Hakeem.  When Artis was not on
the floor the Bulls went from a respectable team to a pathetic one.
     I give Artis an A-.  Maybe lower him to a B+ for being so crummy
in his later years.

>4.  Was Dave Cowens A or A-?

     Around his MVP years he was A.  But after the spring in his
legs was gone he was more like B-.  The question is do we assign
grades according to his best seasons, or averaged out over his
whole career?
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From: kthompso@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Kevin Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Notes and Stats from Tuesday's Rocky Mtn Review
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:56:32 GMT
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division

In article <1992Jul22.161048.29533@dsd.es.com> jjehlers@flapjack.dsd.es.com (Jennifer Ehlers) writes:
>Denver Nuggets
>
>43  Kevin Brooks	
> 7  Alonzo Jamison
>11  Billy Law	
>19  Terrell Lowery	
> 1  Marck Macon	
> 8  Tony Massenburg	
> 4  Ken Miller	
>35  Keith Tower	
> 5  Anthony Tucker	
>17  Roosevelt Wallace
>15  Tony Watts	
> 4  Marcus Webb
>28  Robert Werdann	
>18  Joey Wright		

Didn't Denver draft Bryant Stith (sorry if I've gotten confused)?  What
happened to him?  Holding out?

Kevin Thompson
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Bucks-Jazz
Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:26:32 GMT

  This may be old news, but since I'm new to this net I thought I'd give
  some news to Jazz fans on the (semi)newly-acquired Jay Humphries and
  Larry Kryskowiak.

  Humpries will be a very pleasant surprise to Jazz fans and an unpleasant
  surprise to fans of other Western Co. teams. He will be a great backup for
  Stockton, enabling Stockton to spend more time on the bench and be more
  fresh for the playoffs. Hump is also a more than capable "2" guard. He's a
  good shooter (although his stats fell off a little last year because of a
  back problem) and penetrates with either the left or right hand with ease.
  You'll be amazed at how many times he'll slash through the lane for an
  uncontested left-handed layup. He's not a bad defender either.

  Kryskowiak is a typical blue-collar type player (a natural fan favorite
  in Milwaukee). He's got a decent outside shot and bangs the boards pretty
  well. He was really up-and-coming 'til he tore up his knee. He'll give the
  Jazz some much-needed depth.

  The trio of Stockton, Jeff Malone and Hump will be able to play with any
  other guards in the league. If David Benoit wasn't a fluke, then Utah's
  got a solid small forward to go with an intimidating group of big men in
  Karl Malone, Eaton, Brown, Corbin and Kryskowiak.

  Either Utah or Phoenix will displace Portland in the Finals next year.

  --Salty
From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 1988 "Dream" (nightmare) Team
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:57:13 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <Bs255C.GD6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Interesting to note, while the team did lose to the USSR 82-76,
>	They outscored opponents by an average of 30.1 ppg, and averaged
>	91.6 ppg.  They shot 54.2% as a team and outrebounded their opponents
>	on an average of almost 10 rebs a ball game.
>
>	Even the much noted outside shooting is strange.  USA shot over 52%
>	as a team from the 3-pt line.  However, they did get outshot from
>	that distance, 85 to 36.
>
>	What it boils down to is that the US couldn't win the big one when
>	it counted.  Otherwise, they did rather well, according to the stats.

Actually what happened was that the guy who was doing all that long range
marksmanship (Hersey Hawkins) got injured more than anything else.  Who else
among those guys was even remotely consistent from outside?  Are you sure
Dan Majerle led the team in scoring?  I thought it was Charles Smith (Pitt).
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Average Centers
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:32:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.144853.19594@microsoft.com> paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode) writes:
>
>Interesting set of ratings. You have the tiers about right,
>but the grades -- with one exception -- tend to be too high.
>For example, I can't see assigning *any* A+'s; after all, all 
>three of the A+'s have some weaknesses in their games. (For  
>example, Ewing could be a better rebounder and sometimes gets
>caught up in his outside shot. Hakeem's shot selection isn't
>always what it could be, and Robinson could be a much better
>free throw shooter.)

Come on.  Perhaps you can say something about Ewing not being perfect, but
Robinson and Hakeem (excluding last season) are A+'s.  Let's face it,
Michael Jordan could improve his shooting %, his 3 point %, his free throw
%, could block more shots, could steal a bit more and grab more rebounds
too.  But he has no category which isn't already very good.

So maybe Hakeem and Robinson aren't perfect, but they excel at a lot of
things centers aren't supposed to do.  Top five in steals?  How many
rebounding and shot blocking titles do they have between each other?
Besides, centers, suck at free throws...