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From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Just a Question
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:08:34 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

leung@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Bruce Leung) writes:

>Carl Paukstis writes:
>>rider education programs - IL, for example, cut back and may close
>>down rider education, despite the fact that this "fund" MORE than

>Where did you get this info about IL?  It's wrong.  True the state
>did rob money from the rider ed program and there were cut backs in
>classes, but we were never even close to closing down rider education.
>In fact, all the money ($7 from each motorcycle registration fee)
>for rider ed is now protected by a recently passed bill.

Vetoed or refused-to-sign by the governor, according to a recent issue
of American Motorcyclist.  Sorry, can't put my hands on it right now.
I suppose my memory could be wrong; if so I apologize.  In any
case, it was reprehensible on the face of it to EVER raid ANY portion
of this fund, and goes to show that specific-purpose taxes are
vulnerable and you have no guarantee they're used as authorized.
--
Carl Paukstis, RRR&RSG             |"The good news is that Clinton will have to
 Olivetti North America/Spokane,WA | work hard to do worse than Bush in terms
 Phone: +1 509 927-5439            | of economic policy.  The bad news is that
 Mail: carlp@mail.spk.olivetti.com | he will probably manage to do so"-Ed Ipser
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: haluk@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Haluk Gumrukcu)
Subject: Re: Just a Question
Originator: haluk@turlough.dev.cdx.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:12:08 GMT


In article <1993Jan6.135302.25885@nynexst.com>, schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz) writes:
|> 
|> On the news this morning:  Second-hand cigarette smoke has been
|> "officially" classified as hazardous, in the same category as
|> asbestos.
|> 
|> I'd like to see these cig. taxes going towards health programs,
|> seeing as how the govt finally recognized 2H smoke for what it is.
|> -- 
|> Steven H. Schwartz		Expert Systems Laboratory
|> schwartz@nynexst.com		NYNEX Science and Technology Center
|> PROFS: SCHWARTZ@UNIX		500 Westchester Avenue
|> 914-644-2960			White Plains NY 10604

I agree, second-hand smoking is hazardous. And everybody has right to avoid it
without any effort. Although I'm a smoker I don't smoke while I fly (even before
the smoking ban on aircrafts). But you can not eliminate second-hand smoking
by raising the tax on cigarettes. There is no, as far as I know, slightest proof
that increasing the cigarette prices actually reduces the consumption. Besides;
the revenue collected from cigarette tax does not necessarily go to health
programs. In MA legislators can use that money wherever they wish.
Xref: sparky misc.consumers:21574 misc.consumers.house:16336
From: rmf@bpdsun1.uucp (Rob Finley)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Washer,Dryer,Fridge & Stove All At Once!
Keywords: appliances, washer, dryer, fridge, stove, buy
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:17:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harris Allied Broadcast Div., Quincy, IL


Well, for washer, dryer:  Maytag.  Quiet and well built.
After 8 years the dryer has only received a new lightbulb.
After 6 years the washer intake valves were sludged up with deposits.
(Water here isn't that great.  We have strainers on now.)
A bit pricey (especially since you have to find all this at once...)
but nice since they are simpler mechanically (no belts)
and work great in the laundromat I used to go to.  Now we have a pair
of our own.

Dish Washer:  Maytag (quiet), Kitchenaid (reliable but not as quiet).
We did have a drain valve fail on the Kitchenaid after
four years but since they don't make that part, it was located in
the front (I replaced it) and only cost $28, they are forgiven.

Fridge:  Well, we like our Whirlpool.  The icemaker is
indestructible and it keeps milk longer than a week.  I'm happy.

Everything else, we bought whatever we could get used.  (stove).
GE (I think) makes a great smooth cooktop that doesn't have
ridges or metal trim along the porcelain top that traps every
spec of grease that walks through the door....

Good luck with your house purchase.

Rob
From: karen@misty.boeing.com (Karen Robinson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:12:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Wood vs. Presto-type logs
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support
Newsgroups: misc.consumers

We have a heat pump, but supplement it with our free-standing wood stove.		

Since cord-wood is "free" to us on our treed acerage (mostly blow-downs),
we use that for our fuel in the wood stove.   We usually bank the fire 
before going to bed, which lasts a few hours.  In normal weather conditions
(not too cold) the heat pump will then come on in the early morning and
only have to reheat a little, and not use the backup electric resistance
heating.

But in colder conditions (like now, here in Seattle area), I like to 
put a presto-log on before going to bed.  By damping the stove down,
there will still be a small amount of coals left in the morning.  
Otherwise the heat pump would be coming on with backup heat (very 
expensive).

I also use the presto logs sometimes when the power goes out overnight,
since the wood stove then becomes the sole heat source.  A couple of 
damped down presto-logs will only need checking every three hours or so.
Regular wood needs to be checked at least once per hour. 

Yes, the presto-log packages say you should only burn one log at a
time.  And some wood stoves should not burn them at all, 
due to the hotter temperatures (see your owners book).  Since my stove
is custom built of 5/8" steel and has a 36'x24' firebox, two presto's
work fine. 		
					
BTW, you can get presto-logs in bulk (by the pallet if you want!) at
farm and feed stores sometimes.  At least you can here in the great
Pacific Northwest 

Karen Robinson

Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman)
Subject: Re: Just a Question
Organization: Netcom
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:34:43 GMT

Regarding raising consumption taxes:

In article <1993Jan5.212124.21005@erenj.com> srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson) writes:
>
>With alcohol and cigarettes, it's done to encourage drinkers and smokers to
>either quit or use less ...
>With gasoline, I think the theory is that everyone uses it, so it's a fair
>way to raise revenue.

Raising gas taxes may also be done to encourage people to use less, at
least that's why I'm in favor of it.  I am in favor of reduced pollution,
reduced traffic, reduced dependence on foreign oil, and reduced oil
drilling in the wilderness.

>I suggest we go to all consumption tax, and no income tax.

Business Week published a special issue a month or two ago, outlining
their suggested economic agenda, and they did mention that there is
growing support for shifting taxes to the consumption side.  I hope
that when the gov't raises consumption taxes, that they really do
lower income taxes.  Write your congresscritter!

Hans Lachman
lachman@netcom.com
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: rbkatz@cc.bellcore.com (Bob Katz)
Subject: Humidifiers (Q)
Followup-To: misc.consumers
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:46:50 GMT

With all the dry winter air, I'm in the market for a small humidifier. 
I've heard that there are a few kinds: evaporative, steam/vaporizer
(including warm mist), and cold mist.  I'd like to get one that doesn't
have a "white dust" problem, that wouldn't have a bacteria problem, and
that wouldn't consume excessive amounts of electricity.  Can anyone
recommend a model?  (The Berkeley wellness newsletter last January
mentioned that the "new" evaporative wicking models sounded promising, but
they hadn't been tested yet.)

Thanks.

Bob
rbkatz@cc.bellcore.com
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: When is a dill pickle Kosher?
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:10:59 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <2424@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
>Steven_Cohn summarizes a discussion which pins the difference on
>processing.
>
>I still want to know what the small yellow spheroids are.  They appear
>in the jar of kosher dills but not in the jar of non-kosher dills,
>despite identical ingredient lists.
>
    How big are they?   We always used to use both dill flowers and
    mature dill seed in pickles.  Mature dill seeds are fairly
    large.  Check the ingredients list, just as a wild suggestion.

    If you still can't figure out what they are, post the
    ingredients list and the 'net can probably identify most common
    whole spices.



Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.legal,soc.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: jdschnitzer@mv.com (Jeff Schnitzer)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: big and tall mail-order?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 14:57:01 EST
Reply-To: jdschnitzer@schmac.mv.com
Distribution: usa
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <41990@unix.SRI.COM> (misc.consumers), cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole) writes:
  >  Is there a mail-order outfit that specializes in big and tall men's clothing
  >  (well, big is actually what is needed)?  If you know of one, please post or
  >  e-mail their phone number so I can get a catalog.
  >  

The King Size Co., Hingham MA, 1-800-846-1600 (orders), 1-617-982-8681
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng)
Subject: Re: Emergency light and heat
Originator: acheng@shalom.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:49:42 GMT


In article <C0pLsw.6C9@apollo.hp.com>, lubkin@apollo.hp.com () writes:
>I live in Southern New Hampshire in an all-electric rented
>house.  With the last big storm, I realized that if the
>power goes out and stays out, I'm going to be very cold 
>and hungry sitting in the dark.
>
>At the local hardware store, they had a non-electric 
>kerosene heater.  So I'm set for heat, although I don't like
>having to keep kerosene in my basement.  Alternative ideas
>welcome.
>
>Then I went to the local sporting goods stores.  They had
>lots of stoves and lamps, which all said OUTDOOR USE ONLY.
>(Except for rechargable lanterns that won't last long enough.)

Never use any outdoor equipment for indoor heating (Unless you
want someone else to cash in your life insurance.)

Horror story 1:
a family celebrated a birthday with BBQ.  The night got cold.  They
moved the BBQ grill in door to warm the house.  Smoke alarms went
off.  They disarmed it to get a good night sleep.  Three death
in the morning.  Carbon monoxide poisoning.

Horror story 2:
After snow storm, power failed.  An old man turned on his gas
stove to warm the house.  It consumed all oxygen in the house
and he died of suffocation upstairs in bed.

If my house loses power, I would rather move to a motel or
someone else with power.  OR stock up some heavy duty sleeping
bags and long johns.  If you must need some heat, start your
charcoal grill in the backyard, heat rocks or bricks on it.
Then bring only the heated rocks inside the house for warmth.
Be careful in handling them, lest you burn your hands or
start a fire in house.
From: yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Security (was Re: Cordless phone recommendations)
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:45:45 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1993Jan7.005434.2635@informix.com>, neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams) writes:
> 
> Once my wife turned it on and heard someone else talking....
> Hasn't reoccurred yet, though, but now I keep it on the
> base more than I would otherwise, for security.

I think almost all the cordless phones even the low, low end models, have
security circuitry, meaning other phones cannot dial out via your base.  Would
someone explain in more detail?

Thanks!

> 
> -- 
> Neil Williams: neilw@informix.com
> 
> Seen on my last trip on United: "If you are seated in an exit row 
> and can not (sic) read this card... please notify a crew member."

J. Y.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: mf@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (fusco,marc)
Subject: Re: 10 CDs for the price of 1: kosher?
Organization: Planet XTC
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 20:23:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.053053.17534@news.acns.nwu.edu> alasnik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Adam Lasnik) writes:
>In <1iagejINN1s9@athena.sdsu.edu> dunster@sdsu.edu (mark dunster) writes:
>
>I've tried a number of clubs, and my favorite is BMG.  8-for-1, nothing else
>to buy.  The selection isn't fabulous, but I never have trouble picking out my
>eight CD's... and what's even more fun is that I sign up my parents every
>year, so when I return from college, I get another 8-for-1, and then I sign
>myself up at college, and so on :-)  Legitimate AND quite a deal...
>
>Just don't forget to return your selection cards on time!

	After you have completed your obligation to BMG, just send them
a note stating what-a-pain the selection-of-the-month card is to return
and they will put you on a special list: you will still get the cards, etc.
every few weeks but you don't have to return them (unless you purchase
something).
	BTW-I have always wondered about the quality of the BMG disks,
they have their own name on them, they do sound ok....has anyone compared
similar recordings with others?
From: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Can a landlord refuse cash?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 14:48:30 -0800
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

In article <CONKLIN.93Jan4174514@talisman.kaleida.com> conklin@kaleida.com writes:
>I received a notice with my rent statement indicating that as of the
>next rent period, only personal cheques, cashier's cheques, and money
>orders will be accepted for rent payments --- cash will no longer be
>accepted.
>Is this legal?  Many of the people in my complex do not have bank

As it says on our money, "This note is Legal Tender for all Debts,
Public and private."  


I am not certain if this is legal or not... I suspect that a landloard
CAN specify IN ADVANCE that the terms of the rental are no cash, but I
doubt that he or she can do so after the rental agreement has been
established.

we'll see what other people think on this one.....




-- 
Steve Morris, M.A.    : Internet: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu
Addiction Studies Pgm : uucp    :{uw-beaver,uunet!gtenmc!dataio}!sumax!smorris
Seattle University    : Phone   : (206) 296-5350 (dept) or 296-5351 (direct)
Seattle, WA 98122_____:________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Humidifiers (Q)
Originator: schwartz@baba
Reply-To: schwartz@nynexst.com
Organization: Expert Systems Lab., NYNEX Sci. and Tech., White Plains NY
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 21:59:50 GMT


In article <rbkatz-070193124922@128.96.93.74>, rbkatz@cc.bellcore.com (Bob Katz) writes:
> With all the dry winter air, I'm in the market for a small humidifier. 
> I've heard that there are a few kinds: evaporative, steam/vaporizer
> (including warm mist), and cold mist.  I'd like to get one that doesn't
> have a "white dust" problem, that wouldn't have a bacteria problem, and
> that wouldn't consume excessive amounts of electricity.  Can anyone
> recommend a model?  (The Berkeley wellness newsletter last January
> mentioned that the "new" evaporative wicking models sounded promising, but
> they hadn't been tested yet.)

I tried an evap-wick model for 1.5 weeks.  It didn't noticeably humidify
a rather small (10.5 x 10.5 foot) room.  Back to the store.

I then bought a Bionaire Cm-2 (2s?).  It is warm-mist, but does -not-
emit steam out the vent--much safer that way.  I like it.  Easy to fill,
easy to clean.  On low speed, it runs 3 - 4 nights between fill-ups. 
And reasonably priced at Fortunoff's.  
-- 
Steven H. Schwartz		Expert Systems Laboratory
schwartz@nynexst.com		NYNEX Science and Technology Center
PROFS: SCHWARTZ@UNIX		500 Westchester Avenue
914-644-2960			White Plains NY 10604
From: jgostin@mal-s1.gatech.edu (Jill Gostin)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Freezer Recommendations?
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:28:39 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Res. Inst., Modeling & Analysis Lab

I'd like to buy a not-too-big freezer, and keep it in my garage. I
live just north of Atlanta, so the weather isn't terribly cold (we get
about 2 weeks of temps < 32 F per year). I need some recommendations 
on brand names of freezers, top or side open (I think I prefer top),
and advice about keeping the freezer in the garage.

Thanks,
Jill
-- 
Jill Butterfield Gostin                EMAIL: jgostin@mal-s1.gatech.edu
Georgia Institute of Technology, GTRI Modeling and Analysis Lab
"Happiness is excitement that has found a settling down place..."
-E.L. Konigsburg, _From the Mixed-up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler_
From: amy@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Amy McNulty)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Visions (or other) cookwares?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 18:51:57 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: blueheron.pubs.stratus.com

In article <4090124@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> mbuscho@hpcc01.corp.hp.com  
(Michelle Buscho) writes:
> My sister loves her non-stick Visions frying pan.  Her favorite  
feature is
> that she can start cooking something in the microwave, move it to the  
stove,
> and keep it warm in the oven without changing pans.

I'm surprised to hear that she puts them in the microwave;
I wouldn't think that would be very good for the non-stick
coating. Do the Visions instructions actually say that the
non-stick pans are microwave-safe??

______________________________________________________________
amy_mcnulty@vos.stratus.com  or  amy@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Amy McNulty -- Stratus Computer, Marlboro, MA
Stratus pays me to write, but not to write this!
From: paula@nlbbs.UUCP (Paula Stockholm)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: battery for AT&T 5500 (WHERE?)
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:42:19 GMT
Reply-To: paula@nlbbs.uucp
Organization: The Electronics Workbench - Cumberland Maine


In article <EUGENE.93Jan4141528@trout.ksr.com> eugene@ksr.com writes:

 > 
 > 
 > Is AT&T the only source for replacement batteries?  The price at the AT&T phone > center is $16.75.  Thanks for any info.


        I sell them in my shop for about $12.
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        *    Paula Stockholm             paula@nlbbs.UUCP        *
        * The Electronics Workbench       (207) 829-3152         *
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Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: cep@taligent.com (Christophe Pettus)
Subject: Re: Just a Question
Organization: Taligent, a little subsidiary of two really big companies.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:54:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.174930.1348@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com> haluk@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Haluk Gumrukcu) writes:
>No. I'm talking about the latest MA tax increase on cigarettes. Voters decided
>on that question. Result is 30 cent/pack tax increase. I don't see any 
>justification to the fact that they ask voters to set the price. I think there aren't any other consumable's price set that way.

Voters didn't set the price of cigarettes; they set a tax rate, which
is the voters' perogative.  Cigarette companies are perfectly welcome
to pay the tax themselves, and not pass it along to their customers, if
they so chose.
--
-- Christophe

"Bad analogy!  No biscuit!"
From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Can a landlord refuse cash?
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:21:06 GMT
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma

You cannot be forced to leave (in most states) unless a judge tells you
to, and then they have to get a sherrif or officer of the court to
do the actual forceful eviction if you don't leave voluntarily.

Imagine the puzzled look on the judge's face when you show up to court 
with a copy of the letter you sent (idea!) telling the landlord that you
attempted to pay cash; were refused, and offering to stop by with the cash
at a time of mutual convenience (and also mentioning that you will exercise
all rights under law to an eviction hearing in court should he choose to
refuse rent and evict you).  Also, an eviction takes time (here in MA a
landlord can expect to provide 6 months of rent free housing while an eviction
drags on, and once the eviction is issued, must pay to put the tenants stuff 
into storage [ and CANNOT hold these belongings pending payment of storage
fees charged to the landlord! ].  Although procedures vary state to state,
it would surprise me if a landlord would choose an eviciton hearing over
accepting cash rent.

                                        rob b.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.invest
From: dlt@pt.com (Don Turrell)
Subject: Electronic Banking
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:24:48 GMT

I'm not sure if this question fits well into the 
subject matter of this news group. However, it looks 
like a subject on which the group may have some collect
knowledge.

I have for some time been frustrated with my local
bank. The hours are typical "bankers hours" (not 
necessarily convenient to my work schedule or life style)
and more often than not the Teller lines are very long.

I have been shopping for a bank that would allow
me to conduct my funds tranfer, bill payment, etc. via modem,
relying on ATMs for cash. We have several banks in Western NY
that allow "bank by phone" but it is simply a phone-in version
of going to a branch and facing the teller.

Are there any banks offering this kind of electronic service????

I am not a regular reader of this group......would appreciate any
suggestions via e-mail dlt@pt.com

Thanks

Don Turrell
Performance Technologies, Inc.
315 Science Pkwy, Rochester, New York 14620 USA
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From: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Subject: Re: Dances With Wolves Promotion
Originator: daveb@lotus
In-reply-to: lakia@ipact.com
Reply-To: daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:53:01 GMT

Let me get this straight.  You paid a whopping 8 bucks and are
complaining about the quality? It's a miracle it plays at all with the
quantities that had to have been made!  Your expectations should have
been pretty low -- about like those you brought for the Quarter
Pounder you got with it.

At least they didn't Macrovision it -- those are truly awful.

My McDonalds DW2 is about as good as the average rental tape I see,
and cost less than the "previously viewed" copies at BlockBuster.
Seemed like a fair exchange to me.

-dB



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Windows/NT - the VMS of the 90s

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