HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: moakler@romulus.rutgers.edu (bam!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Curry (Was: Scary in Japan)
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:02:10 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:

>bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield) writes:
>>When the curry rice came, the lady politely put a fork beside me too. 
>>Since I've used chopsticks sicne I was a small kid, I naturally just used 
>>the chopsticks, and everyone was staring at me.

	This happened to me, too, when I started going to the local
katsu/curry place down the street from my dorm right after I arrived
in Japan. After I ordered my stamina-don, the master gave me a spoon
and a napkin, two things that you rarely see in neighborhood Japanese
restaraunts. I just took some waribashi from the container on the
counter and used them instead. The master commented about my using
chopsticks and said some other things I didn't understand at that
time, but I insisted on using the chopsticks. (Actually, more people
commented about my left-handedness than my using chopsticks.) Only
later did I find out that you are supposed to eat things like curry
rice and staminadon with a spoon.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: tanaka@til.til.com (Yokichi Tanaka)
Subject: Re: Long Hair
Organization: Togai InfraLogic, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:18:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.012942.3886@nntp.csl.sony.co.jp>, kono@csl.sony.co.jp (Shinji Kono) writes:
|> In article <2AD87162.15185@ics.uci.edu> , 
|> 	jchilber@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jeffrey Allen Chilberto) writes 
|> >What reactions should
|> >I expect in both the social and business environments
|> >since I am Italian and have long hair?
|> 
|> No problem.  Today many Japanese male have long hair in working place.
|> But in general Japanese are sensitive to neatness. So be careful if you
|> need good first impression.
|> 

Don't be so casual when offering advice.  I think having long
hair can be a hinderence in finding a nice job ... especially 
in education.  They'll probably show more tolerance since you
are not Japanese, but it's still a minus.

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From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Northern Islands (revisited)
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:05:52 GMT
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center

In article <1992Oct6.152501.2738@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>In article <4026@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:

>>   I don't recall that there was any discussion or dispute on the Japanese
>>"moral inferiority of the Pearl Harbor 'sneaky' attack" when Okinawa was 
>>returned.

>That's because Japan had the great good fortune to have that part of their
>archipelago taken over by the US, and not the USSR.

   As far as I remember, neither former USSR nor current Russia related 
Japanese "moral inferiority" to the islands issue. In that sense, USSR/Russia
is as good as the US. 

.....
>>It might be true that many Japanese who were enlightened by Fester-san

>Minor point, but most of the time, Japanese refer to me by my FIRST name. 
>Easier to pronounce.

   I can imagine you are often miscalled "He-su-taa-san." 8-).

.....
>>However, on the diplomatic stage, trying to
>>discourage the Japanese side by mentioning the 30s' "sneaky" attack would
>>be a cheap shot.

>WELL, that would certainly be a first in diplomatic circles, now wouldn't it?
>Imagine that, a cheap shot in politics/diplomacy. What bastion of fairness and
>good will will fall next, I wonder.

   Maybe, we should construct some before worrying about their fall.

>>   Although it might be already discussed in this thread, one of the reasons
>>that the former USSR used to justify their occupation of the isladns is the
>>Yalta agreement between USSR, UK and USA. However, the US government made
>>a statement on September 13, 1961 which effectively said, "After a detailed

>Uh, isn't that a BIT after Yalta?

   As far as I know, it's Yalta, February 11, 1945.

>>examination of the historical facts, the US has come to a conclusion 
>>that Kunashiri and Etorofu (as well as Habomai and Shikotan which are regarded
>>as a part of Hokkaido) have been a part of Japanese territory and should be 
>>under the jurisdiction of Japan." This statement is one of the grounds that 
>>Japan stands on. It is interesting that the documents of a single country
>>are used by two opposing parties.

>And of course, our recent pronouncements (now that the Cold War is over, for 
>good I hope) are much more equivocal.

   The Yalta agreement and the 1961 statement are good enough to make the
attitude of the US equivocal.

>>P.S. It might be a politically incorrect question, but, Fester-san, is
>>     "etorofu.island.COM" located in Russia?

>Uh, I DID point out to you in email exactly where my company is located. And 
>I have, over the net, pointed out where I post from. In short, no.

   Ok. I'll dig up my old mails.
   Then, another question. Who named "etorofu.island.COM" and why? 
Maybe, I'm stepping too far into a personal matter, but I'm just curious
as I've always been.

Michiaki Masuda 
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From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: Where are the Japanese
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:36:19 GMT

kanekawa@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Nobuyasu Kanekawa) writes:

>I convince that the preceding article made Mr. Rikiya Asano a frequent
>poster. :-)

>-- 
>Nobuyasu KANEKAWA  (E-mail address in Japan : kanekawa@hrl.hitachi.co.jp)


I just wish that he and Robertson-san would stop SHOUTING.

Charlie

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: THIS ONE PROVES IT!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:55:26 GMT

In article <1bil94INN8mn@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>WHY DID I SAY I'M THE ONE WHO BEAT UP YOUR GRANDFATHER?  BECAUSE AS YOU SAY,
>IT'S STUPID THAT KOREANS DIG UP THE PAST AND TAKE IT OUT ON THE CURRENT
>GENERATION.  

Your post overflows with emphathy and love that you are trying to preachy.

Well, some of these grandfather and grandmothers are still alive.  
Many members of my family still alive lived through the colonial period.   
I think they would understand the 'tone' and content of your message calmly.  
I suppose you can go on blaming the victims if you wish, I suppose
this is the first step necessary in bridging the gap.

>JAPAN WAS ABLE TO INVADE ASIAN COUNTRIES BECAUSE SOCIAL DIVISIONS
>WITHIN OTHER ASIAN COUNTRIES PREVENTED MORE EFFECTIVE DEFENSE.  

If someone takes your wallet just because you are unable to defend
yourself, I suppose you can be understanding of the 'criminal'.

>BUT HUMANS CAN OF COURSE CHANGE, AND GROW.  

There is an adage which goes something like, "more things change, 
more they remain the same".  I hope that people do change for better.
But, sometimes I wonder.

>THE POINT IS THAT LOVE AND HATE ALL PLAYES INTO ECONOMICS,
>POLITICS, SO BETTER LOVE IS SMOOTHER WORLD ORDER.

Does not love start with understanding?  I wish you can devote more time
to understanding the 'victims'.  What you say, is to a degree true,
the world economic situation requires countries in Asia to come together;
however, does this mean we can simply forget the past, and not correct
any wrongs that still maybe corrected (compensation for Comfort Girls 
etc..)?  No, I do not blame you for the misdeeds of your forefathers,
just that the younger generation comes to term with the fact and
correct the past wrongs if such can be done.

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim

"The constancy of Heaven is my lodestone, till the day I die,
 So that the slightest ground for shame shall not exist for me,
 The alluring rustle of the wind among the leaves,
 But bestirs me to renew steadfastness."   Yun Tong-Ju [1917-1945]

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1849 Asbury Ave.  Evanston IL. 60201   Home    (708)-328-0859  
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From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Three-legged Rika-chan
Date: 16 Oct 1992 00:55:45 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu

>
[stuff deleted]

>    Don't forget "Naanchatte ojisan." 8-)
>
>Michiaki Masuda

	How about "Kuchi sake oNna" and "Jumping Baasan"?   |->

					Tetsuya Nishimura

					Yeah, them good old days with
dameoyaji, three-wheel mobiles (sanrinsha), dakko-chan ningyou (Sambo girl dolls)
and in 1978 when Sace Invaders hit the scene, pachinko shops all over town
went out of business as it became the "in" thing for salarymen to take out
BG's (not OL's) for an iced coffee & invaders at the local kissa; or the
"pongashi" at the festivals, where the rice is compressed & explodes into 
cake form; monchicchi monkeys; the day of Y300-hr arubaitos;
ijiewaru baasan; whatever else
nostalgic '70s pop culture??
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Mr. Asano
Date: 16 Oct 1992 05:14:02 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu

Mr. Asano is a typical example of undereducated Japanese who encountered
the reality after he went abroad for "studying something."

Please remember not all Japanese are like him.

And please remember, most overeducated Japanese who go abroad never try
to encounter reality either, but enjoy mainstream smugness.

At least Mr. Asano keeps a connection with his past, instead of the more
beaten path of deserting it altogether.
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Where are the Japanese
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:15:40 GMT
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca's message of 8 Oct 92 19:33:05 GMT

In article <uD0BsB1w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>
   k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi) writes:

{ nit-picking mode ON }

   Though I agree with most of what you posted, there were a few points
which my stereotype indicator flagged...

 =}paying attention to this network, simply becuase the Japanese are not as 
 =}vocal (as a group, not trying to stereotype) than Westerners.

   When relying on a stereotype or when generalizing, please do not
claim otherwise :)  Looking at the fj.* heirarchy will give one the
exact opposite impression (-Japanese are more vocal-) of the one you
state...

 =}So where do countries fit in?
 =} [...]
 =}Uncertainty Avoidance:
 =} [...]
 =}	   Apparently, a strong
 =}	   uncertainty avoidance culture is also characterized by a strong   
 =}	   inner urge to work hard.

   Please, it is not apparent.  There is a big difference between working
hard and spending long hours at work...

 =}Masculinity-Femininity: USA somewhat masculine
 =}			   Japan most masculine nation (out of 40)
 =}
 =}	   This one comes as a pretty big surprise.  There is competition 
 =}	   and aggressiveness in Japan but it is not extremely overt in my
 =}	   opinion.

   This one comes as a surprise to me too.  I was under the impression
(from your description) that this was an indicator of wealth vs. caring
(very simplified).  I would have ranked both Japan and the US as masculine
(along with all other industrialized nations) at about the same level.

 =}Any comments, feedback?  Do you think it's a decent framework to analyze 
 =}cultures or is it all academic with little practical relevance?

   It would help if information was given as to what factors where used
to determine the rankings.  Basing the rankings on concepts which vary
easily from culture to culture would not be very useful in any case.

   Also, what aspects of cultures would it be used to analyze?  What would
one expect to learn from such an analysis?
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Re: Actually
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:24:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: udel.1992Oct13.002456.488
Organization: University of Delaware

>HAJIME YOJI writes
>> more racist oriented, Japan or America.' The way I see is that Japan is 
>> more racist oriented than US. But, on the other hand, US is VERY 
>> discriminating in term of wealth distribution(I think it is one of the 
>> ..
>> So, for examples, Japanese Korean would face much harrash discrimination 
>> like being rejected good job or marrying to Japanese but they would
>> enjoy far better living standard than those ethnic minority living in slum.

I don't know why the subject says "Actually," but other facet of above
logic is that people in inner cities can and are encouraged, broadly
speaking, to escape poverty.  Fundamental difference, when it comes to 
compare Japan and America, is that in America sizeble segment of society 
is conscious of its race relationship problems and tries to work out better
environ.  That is not case in Japan, it seems.  I don't hear that Japanese 
in general are encouraged to hire its minority for jobs in big companies 
(job for life?), for example.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Ryuichi Sakamoto
From: ymatsumoto@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Sardana)
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:53:26 EDT
 <4618@sinec.cent.saitama-u.ac.jp> <6443@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> <1bg1mpINNdk8@fido.asd.sgi.com>
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1bg1mpINNdk8@fido.asd.sgi.com>, jice@echo.asd.sgi.com (John Eisenman) writes:

> 
> I believe that they are -- but I haven't bought that album yet.  I
> picked up the British cd single release of Heartbeat (Tainai kaiki)
> before I saw the entire album.  When I saw the US release of the 
> album, I noticed that this song was listed.  I assume that it is
> the version with Sylvian singing.

And also, the US version is different in the following respects:

1) the first track is a slightly different mix
2) rap the world is faster
3) high tide is a duet between arto lindsay and sakamoto
4) sayonara is sung in english

So I guess half the tracks are different in one way or another.
Not crucial differences, though, IMO.

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From: psybeast@world.std.com (The UnKnown Beast)
Subject: Old Sake...
Keywords: Sake
Organization: Part of the Human Race
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:47:58 GMT

I'm not sure if this is the right place, but...

I recently got some old hand crafted decanters filled with sake & plum
wine, and I was wondering how long can the two last before they go bad??

Thanks in advance!

PsyBeast
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: mikef@microware.com (Mike Feder)
Subject: HELP WITH VISA PROBLEM
Originator: mikef@tazz
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:45:41 GMT

To all you netters out there:

HELP!!!!  If anyone out there has experience with dealing with the Japanese
Ministry of Justice, and in particular, with getting a working visa in 
Japan, please reply to this posting!!!

Here is my situation.  I speak fluent Chinese, and passable Japanese.  I got
a job at a computer software company to go to our Tokyo office as a liaison.
Unfortunately, the Japanese government won't give me a working visa, even 
though my company's Tokyo office needs me.  

The problem is that you can't apply for an intra-company transfer working
visa unless you already have a year of experience at the parent company in 
the U.S.  

How else can I get into Japan???  I have heard that I can go under the
"international services" clause (like what English teachers use), but I 
have also heard that I must document my Japanese ability to do this --
which is something that would be hard to do, since I learned Japanese in
Taiwan.

HELP!!!  Please reply by e-mail.  My address is:

				mikef@MICROWARE.COM


Thanks!

Mike Feder
Microware Computers
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Three-legged Rika-chan
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:55:22 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <Bw2FJ4.Jxp@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>
[stuff deleted]

>    Don't forget "Naanchatte ojisan." 8-)
>
>Michiaki Masuda

	How about "Kuchi sake oNna" and "Jumping Baasan"?   |->

				Tetsuya Nishimura
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: Forwarded: HP LABS COMPUTER COLLOQUIUM
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 05:08:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.235346.15353@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>Subject: HP LABS COMPUTER COLLOQUIUM
>
>TITLE:    When Cultures Collide
>
>SPEAKER:  Clay Prince  
>          Market Analyst, Cray Research, Inc.                                
>
>An increasingly global marketplace characterized by interdependencies promotes
>a more abstract view of competition and corporate autonomy.  No more capable
>competition to U.S. business exists than that posed by Japan.

Well, well, what good timing (or bad timing, should I say?).
The Japanese government has just turned down the protest from Cray
that they were unfairly assessed in a bid for supercomputer installation
in a government institution (which went to NEC),
and Cray is refiling the protest.

Perhaps we might be hearing more than we expect.

# Too bad I won't be able to make it.

-Yuzuru Hiraga
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Rikiya has proven his manhood....
Date: 15 Oct 1992 06:59:02 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu

But have allthese militant ravings by him, me, and others scared away all
women netters?  HELLO OUT THERE!  RESPOND IF YOU DARE!!!
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Let me tell you alittle about...
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:24:04 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

S'up Pete,


           Let me tell you a little history about North and South
Kor-yu, Nippon, America, France and how that affected Korean and Black
Americans in recent rioting in Los Angeles and more earlier New York. My
program is almost finished so I'll get right back to you.
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:46:22 EDT
From: Larry E. Cravetz <RSAYLC@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: "Living Japanese" language course record set

And...? There are other media sources for this type of learning, most newer tha
n that which you have mentioned. I reccomend getting one of those...
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Tokyo Politicians
Date: 15 Oct 1992 06:18:01 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu

OK, on a milder note, they had those elections in Japan this summer.  You
know that guy who ran for the lower house, the actor with the sweat all over
his face and a psychotic grin, did he make it?  Also, the UFO party, did
any of them get elected?
From: kanekawa@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Nobuyasu Kanekawa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Shameless Japaness must recognize and apologize for Invasion China
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:08:33 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
: Guiltless Chinese, go jump in the lake.

No flame of WWIII, please !!

Or ...
Japanese will be criticized for shameless deeds during WWIII again. :-)

-- 
Nobuyasu KANEKAWA  (E-mail address in Japan : kanekawa@hrl.hitachi.co.jp)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: lowreypl@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Phillip Lowrey)
Subject: Regarding Mr. Asano
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:44:49 GMT

Dear Mr. Asano,

	I have been following your posts to this group for the past two days. 
I have a few questions for you regarding what you have been writing.  First,
am I correct in that you are a Japanese citizen who has been in the U.S. since
1987?  Second, I believe that in one of your responses to Mr. Choi you stated
that you are half Japanese and half Korean, correct?  I am trying to
understand more about your background.

	Mr. Asano, I would like to praise you for coming forward in this news
forum as you have since it is not so often that a person of Japanese
citizenship posts here regarding his/her experiences in this country (or in
Japan) with race relations.  I believe that you are in the unique position of
being able to offer the readers here an assesment of what you perceive to be
the current racial problems in Japan.  I for one would be quite interested in
your opinion.  Most of us who live in the U.S. are well aware of the
problems of race relations here, yet we know almost nothing of the problems in
your homeland.  

	I have noticed that in your posts you have been extremely critical of
the U.S. record of race relations.  I would agree that the U.S. indeed has
many problems with racial injustice, yet I doubt that you could find a more
heterogenous society in the whole world.  With this heterogeneity comes
special problems that are not easily solved.  It is easy for a foreigner to
come to the U.S. and point out our racial problems.  I would argue that this
is because here we are actively attempting to deal with these problems in the
open.  That is, we readily admit that we have problems unlike the more
homogenous societies in the world that can ignore the injustices done to their
small minority groups (as is the case in Japan).  Would it not be more
productive for an enlightened Japanese citizen as you to work toward solving
some of the long-standing racial inequalities in Japan?  While it is admirable
of you to exert your efforts here in the U.S. I cannot help but imagine that
you are doing a disservice to your country by not concentrating your efforts
there in a land that has yet to accept and deal with its involvement in WWII. 

	I do believe that you, Mr. Asano, are on the right path.  You will
not, however, realize your full potential as a crusader against racial
injustice until you come to terms with your apparent hatred toward whites. 
Remember, never judge a group as a whole by the actions (good or bad) of its
few.  

Sincerely,
Phil
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: My Grandfather...
Date: 13 Oct 1992 08:42:58 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu
Keywords: food

What you mean I was joking?  You need to go out to your local Japanese
restaurant and verify my observations for yourself.  I've had a hundred 
million sushi-and-coke type meals as a kid.  I should also have mentioned,
too, that at least Chinese restaurants supply fortune cookies with the tab,
instead of $4 for a scoop of green-tea ice cream.  And don't forget to try
tempura with mayonnaise, green tea with sugar & cream added, sushi dipped in
the tempura dip, or tonkatsu with duck sauce.   Oh, and extinguish your
cigarettes in the soy-sauce dish, and if it's someone's birthday then bring
the cake from the nearest Baskin-Robbins.  

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