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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:16:11 CDT
From:         Bob Boston <S2.RSB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Community of Teachers?

While writing a memo to our new computer classroom teachers tonight, I
realized that most of the old hands like Rockie, Mandy, Mary Jo, Jim and me
have spent a lot of time in each other's classrooms. For example, I conducted
software training sessions in Rockie's classes today, and Rockie has often
helped me in my own class meetings.  Because many of us do our own work in the
labs while another class is meeting, and because most of us have worked as lab
monitors, we've become accustomed to reacting to raised hands-- "Can I help
you, or do you need your instructor?"  In other words, "Do you have a question
about the computer or about the assignment? If it's about the computer, I can
help. But I leave questions about the assignment to your instructor."

This sharing of the classroom with other teachers has seemed so natural that I
didn't even mention it to our new teachers. Now that I think of it, though, it
seems that we're building a community of teachers as well as the community of
writers or the community of scholars that we're trying to build among our
students.

Is this kind of sharing also true of your school?  Do you normally have other
teachers in the computer classroom?

Bob Boston
Iowa State University
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From:         Fred Kemp <YKFOK@TTACS.BITNET>
Subject:      The Project Effect

Bob, I call the "community of teachers" that you mentioned the
"project effect," or the warm collaborative gathering that can
occur with instructors interested in teaching on computers.  The
computer itself engenders sharing for a whole variety of reasons,
and since most people who get into this stuff need confidence and
support and answers, there is a real tendency toward mutual
sharing of ideas, helping people over the learning and emotional
humps, and a facilitating sense of "otherness" in departments
that encourages a breaking free of the usual English department
tendency toward isolation and zenophobia.

But the opposite is also true.  All too often one or two people
in a department get some equipment and software and crank up a
section or two and yet resist the need to collaborate.  They
become discouraged with the huge variety of new problems and new
kinds of efforts and retreat back into pre-computer methods
("lecturing around monitors"), or simply abandon the
computer-based classroom itself.  Too many people have good
equipment and software, but because they have no human support,
they eventually opt out and the computers go back to being
glorified typewriters.  Bitnet, of course, helps hugely in this
respect, which is why I constantly promote MBU and Purtopoi and
WCENTER and CW-L and bitnet and internet, often to the bafflement
of those I'm talking to, who can't see the connection between classrooms
and wide-area networks.  Fred Kemp, TTU
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:52:58 -0600
From:         LHAMPLYONS@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Pat Schroeder and Higher Education

I have only just read this string, and didn't hear/see the session referred to.
She is a local Congresswoman, highly respected by many around here, and who has
done great good in many unsexy areas.  However, there's quite a witchhunt in the
local press these past few months about the UC-Boulder (NB I'm at UC-Denver!),
where faculty ARE seen as teaching little, having masses of research time
and doing little formanyone.  And salaries there are very high, above nat.
averages.  There have been a couple of TV exposes, and our new Pres has not
helped much with inept handling of the hiring of her husband as part of her
ackage (since fixed, but bad memories linger).  I'll call and ask for a copy
of her comments, and for elucidation of her position--we have several mutual
friends (!)  But I think we should all realize that this is an expression of a g
   rowing
national trend that in these financial times can be expected to appear in our
teaching loads before much longer...
Liz Hamp_Lyons
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:32:26 CDT
From:         "(Irv Peckham)" <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: class size

Just an additional editorial on class size:
I have at times had classes of 12 (regular is 15-16).
I don't like classes smaller than 15.  That is to say
there is some point for some of us where smaller classes
inhibit rather than enable.  I need a lot of students to
get three or four reasonable size groups going.  I need a lot
of cross fertilization, too, when we get in large groups.
Underneath these claims, I need to feel popular.
--
Irvin Peckham
Internet: peckham@unomaha.edu
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:56:04 --500
From:         "David E. Schwalm" <IACDES@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Community of Teachers?

 *** Reply to note of 10/07/92 21:20
 Computer class or not, it's as important for teachers to get used to
 collaboration as it is for students. We try to make collaboration a theme of
 our TA training, and we have had a program in which we gently required new TAs
 to attend one another's classes, mainly to get them used to the idea of having
 a peer in the classroom. To some extent, it takes the fear out of evaluative
 classroom visits. I want to hear TAs say, "Hey, you can visit my class
 anytime."

 -- David E. Schwalm, Assoc. Provost for Academic Programs
 ___Arizona State University West
 ___4701 West Thunderbird Rd.
 ___Phoenix, AZ 85069-7100___(602) 543-4500
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:18:50 -0500
From:         "(Gail E. Hawisher)" <hawisher@UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Re Raht on, Michael J.

Michael--

Methinks you're a one-person hypertext threader unto yourself.  Seriously
you're doing here what we did at the last C&W Conference when we
"InterChang(ed)" and "hypertext(ed)" simultaneously.

Cindy and I also want to thank you and to re-iterate your call for a
"computer travelogue" to Jim Crosswhite!  We were both out of town and
certainly are always grateful for your great recruiting efforts!  I hope
Jim will indeed pass on his travels for submission to C&C. You may want to
e-mail me separately about them, Jim.

In the meantime, Michael, we'll continue to enjoy your hypertextual
meanderings on Megabyte!  On to multimedia!

Gail
________________
Gail E. Hawisher
Department of English
U. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Urbana, IL 61801
hawisher@uiuc.edu and 217-333-2989
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:51:55 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ERIC resources online

> I tried the numbers, but I still got the same message as when I used the
> letters.Any ideas on this?
>
> Also, who is the remote host I am trying to reach (I know it's a dumb question
> but . . . )? And what do I type in for "optional port"?

I don't know why you're running into those problems.  Here's a log of what
I did to connect.  (The :-) is my prompt.)

****************************************************************************
:-) tn acsnet.syr.edu
Trying 128.230.1.21 ...
Connected to acsnet.syr.edu.
Escape character is '^]'.

ACSNET
Tue Oct 13 18:32:05 1992
Port ID: Acsnet tty42  at  9600 baud
>suvm
Connecting    Acsnet tty42 to suvm (VMFA 15A0)

ENTER TERMINAL TYPE: vt100

[My Procomm log got screwed up here because of the graphic welcome
 screen on the system.]

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:35:34 -0400
From:         Nick.Carbone@WRITING.UMASS.EDU
Subject:      Reply to Community of Teachers?

Bob,
   Happens all the time here at UMass.  Usually we start the first couple of
classes with an extra pair of hands and eyes  f or new folk.  But it's the same
thing, teachersare in using the lab, the class teacher might refer to them, m
or they might be invited into a discussion..   A lot us like it because
it's a great way to learn new lessons, ways of teaching, and seeing how
other students are.
nick.carbone@writing.umass.edu
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Thank you Robert for the advice: it looks pretty daunting to this poor Mac
user non-programmer!  Does any of it apply to Mac/Vax contexts?  I seem to
remember Natalie trying to walk me through EDT before but I couldn't get
anywhere.
Liz
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Date: 8 Oct 92 14:58:47 GMT
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Another problem about "average salary" is that it may not take into account
where the money comes from.  On my campus the highest paid faculty--and the
ones who do the least teaching--are usually paid from grants that they have
gone after and been awarded, not by the university, the state's taxpayers, or
students' tuition.  I suspect that that is often the case, at least with
mid-level research-wannabe state universities like mine.
   Jim McDonald
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:08:55 --500
From:         "David E. Schwalm" <IACDES@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Community of Teachers?

 *** Reply to note of 10/09/92 19:58
 I suspect we need computers in order to create community for the same reason
 that many people have to drink to be sociable at a party. We're often a little
 uncomfortable with our raw unprotected selves. Often we socialize best when
 we're "other people." It's almost an out of body experience.

 -- David E. Schwalm, Assoc. Provost for Academic Programs
 ___Arizona State University West
 ___4701 West Thunderbird Rd.
 ___Phoenix, AZ 85069-7100___(602) 543-4500
From: jamato@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU ((Joe Amato))
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Date: 16 Oct 92 22:50:20 GMT
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Good news from peachtree country.

Joe Amato

>Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:55:21 -0500
>To: jamato@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
>From: sm51@prism.gatech.edu
>Subject: Please forward
>
>I'm pleased to announce that the Georgia Board of Regents has approved the
>School of Literature, Communications, and Culture's new Master of Science
>in Information Design and Technology.  We expect to begin taking
>applications in the coming months and to enroll students for the Fall of
>1993.
>
>The Georgia Tech School of LCC is a group of scholars in literature,
>cultural studies, media study, rhetoric, and communications design.  Some
>of us are probably familiar to this list: Richard Grusin, Anne Balsamo, Jay
>Bolter.  LCC currently offers an undergraduate major in Science,
>Technology, and Culture as well as a range of courses in hypertext and
>hypermedia.  We intend the new M.S. to be both a professional degree for
>communications practitioners and an opportunity for media research that
>combines humanistic and technological perspectives.
>
>For further information about the degree, please contact Kenneth Knoespel,
>Head, School of Literature, Communication, and Culture, Georgia Institute
>of Technology 30332-0165.  Direct e-mail inquiries to me (sm51), Anne
>Balsamo (ab45), or Richard Grusin (rg16): all those addresses
>@prism.gatech.edu.
>
>-- Stuart Moulthrop
>
>
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:01:00 EDT
From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
              Moderator)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: Metaphor theory (2) (10)

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 21:29:56 EDT
From: Ann Green <USERTFSH@UMICHUM.BITNET>
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Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: Metaphor theory (2) (10)
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Pete, a colleague of mine, Cindy Dietering, is writing her diss on
environmental literature and might be an excellent contact for you.  I
don't believe she's on any networks but you can reach her by snailmail
in care of the Dept. of Language & Literature, Jackson Community College,
2111 Emmons Road, Jackson, MI  49201.  Good luck.  Ann Green/JCC

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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:20:12 --500
From:         "David E. Schwalm" <IACDES@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Jazz Digression and its value

 *** Reply to note of 10/07/92 12:32
 Yeah, isn't she amazing? I'll do her laundry any day.

 -- David E. Schwalm, Assoc. Provost for Academic Programs
 ___Arizona State University West
 ___4701 West Thunderbird Rd.
 ___Phoenix, AZ 85069-7100___(602) 543-4500
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Subject: RE: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Mastering Perfect Writer (16)
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:56:00 GMT
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I still use Scribble's mainframe grandfather, Scribe, and it is still the
best thing I know of (including LaTex) for formatting a large document. I
find almost the same power in Bonner Runoff (a superset of Digital Standard
Runoff which makes it much closer to Scribe in power) on my antique PDP-11
at home.
John B
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:29:00 HST
From:         James Shimabukuro <JAMESS@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: mandatory portables

Dickie: At Kapiolani CC, we only recently started a networked composition
classroom.  The demand by instructors to use the room has been so great that
we're already planning another, with cast-off Epsons Equities from the
computing center.  In a planning meeting this afternoon, while discussing
strained budgets and overworked staff with a rep from the computing center,
the very thought you mention occurred to me.  We really can't keep adding
computers and networks to classrooms untill all who want them are satisfied.
I suggested the possibility of requiring students to purchase
portables--either MS-DOS or Mac systems.  In combination with modems and
communication lines, classes could go on-line for many of the writing process
activities that we now do in class.  This method, would, in fact, be much
more convenient for all concerned.  Students and instructors could access
message bases after and before class; they could upload and download files
for review, etc.; they could Interchange (live chat) in small groups outside
of class, at their own convenience.  Our problem now, though, is comm lines;
we're hoping that the move to fiber optics, soon, will help.  Were you
thinking of students bringing laptops to class--to be plugged into docking
stations, perhaps, and used as networked stations?  (BTW, Steve Singer was at
the meeting.)
Jim S.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:40:00 EDT
From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
              Moderator)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) How Jazz connects to Basic Writing (10)

Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:59:10 EDT
From:         IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.com" Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
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Martin Rosenberg writes
>Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:32:37 EDT
>From: mer <MROSE01@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
>Message-id: <01GPU5U7Q0M895MTXK@ulkyvx.bitnet>
[...]
>     5)  Jazz was, is, and always will be centrally a product of African
>         American culture--even as third-world influences have become stronger
>         and more pervasive.  Respect the music? Respect the culture that
>         produced it!
>                              Enough? or too much?

OK, how about this as a connection.  Are there ways that we can apply
concepts from musicology and the study of Jazz as a valid art form to the
work of "Basic Writers"?  Can we discover among the work of BWs the
elements of style and sophistication that makes their work worthy of study?
Can we "Respect the [writing]? Respect the [writers] that produced it!"

How would we go about doing such?  What would change in our classrooms?
What would change in our assignments?  How would we change our teacher
training practices?  What would be the effect?  Why would we wish to take
such an approach?  What would be the objections?  Who would be the objectors?

 -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
    Teacher of Basic Writing since 1978

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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:01:55 CDT
From:         Bob Boston <S2.RSB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Mandatory Portables

Re: Mandatory Portables
Dickie, we've been discussing this idea at Iowa State as well. Even though it
does have some scary elements, like compatibility with existing networks, I
bet that we'll see this system as the norm in just a few years.

In addition to saving $$ on setting up umpteen computer classrooms, it would
automatically handle the problem of obsolescence. A computer becomes obsolete
after about three to five years, and most students graduate in four to five
years, taking the obsolete computers with them when they go. The incoming
students buy the current technology.  Instead of having to replace several
hundred obsolete university-owned computers every few years, we'll have only
to upgrade our network infrastructure to keep pace with the technology-- new
servers, new software, and new accessories like routers, modems and printers.
(And certainly new network connectors, for they will take a beating.)

If the university sells the laptops, as Iowa State does, we can subsidize
student purchases by providing a portion of the cost or by establishing a no-
interest or low-interest loan program using the funds we now use for
university computer purchases. In addition, we can make certain that the
students are buying equipment compatible with existing university networks.

Finally, and in my mind most important, we won't have to provide a lot of
computers for out-of-class use.  If I can shut my four classrooms at 5 p.m.
each day, I'll save $633 per week or $11,394 per semester in monitor wages.
When we have all twelve classrooms operating, the savings will amount to
$94,000 per year.  That's a bunch o' bucks!  And the students will obviously
have more, and more convenient, computer access than they have now.

I saw the beginning of this trend last week when a student asked if he could
connect his PowerBook to the net to print an assignment. No sweat. He plugged
it in, printed the paper, and off he went to class.

As I said above, I'm sure that will be the rule rather than the exception in
five years or so.

Bob Boston
Iowa State University
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Date: 15 Oct 92 20:47:22 GMT
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Natalie and Roni,

I'm here at Syracuse, so I got out the directory and looked up the address
for ERIC (I notice it's last year's directory, though).

The contact address (which I assume is for inquiries and other official
business) is listed as eric@suvm
So try eric@suvm.syr.edu

The fax number is 315-443-5732
The phone:  Michael Eisenberg, Director, 315-443-3640

If it doesn't work, let me know.

Henry Jankiewicz

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Program, HBC 1, Syracuse NY 13244, 315-443-3915.
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Date: 10 Oct 92 00:22:19 GMT
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Sorry, Rob, I forgot that IBM makes you pay separately for everything you need
to run the computer, and I didn't realize that MS-DOS software has to be
reconfigured for each different machine that hooks into the net.  Do you have
to configure your server differently for each different machine? Or is it just
the network software resident on each client that needs to be configured?  My
question isn't clear, is it?  I mean, can you have a mix of computers on an
MS-DOS LAN? If so, the user would configure the software for his/her own
machine.

As for intrusion, we're already connected to Internet, and we're open to
public access from any Mac on campus.  In fact, any Mac in the world can logon
to our LAN if the user is on Internet and has the IP number of our router. Our
anti-virus software has protected us pretty well so far, but your concern is
well founded.

I originally included cost info on PowerBooks in my posting but cut it to save
a few lines.  Here's what I cut: ISU can now sell a PowerBook 145 with 4mb of
RAM and an 80 mb hard drive for $2,027, and I think that by selling at least
4,000 a year we could negotiate a lower price with Apple.  Even at the current
price, however, the student would pay only $9.75 a week on a four-year no-
interest loan. In Ames, that's the equivalent of one large pizza from
Domino's. The PowerBook 170 would cost $16.01 per week at the current price.

As I understand it, the PowerBook comes equipped with AppleShare Remote, which
allows the user to logon to the network through a modem. Our dorms are already
wired into a system that provides 9600-baud dial-out modems to residents, so
our students should be able to logon to the net from their own rooms without
having to buy their own modems.  In addition, this will be a most welcome boon
to the hundreds of students and teachers who commute from other towns.  (We
have one English teacher who drives from Mankato, Minnesota every week.)

I believe Fred is using AppleShare Remote at TTU, and I'm going to install it
on our networks tomorrow. I'll let y'all know how it works.

Bob Boston
Iowa State University
From: RHODA%MUNIN%HUGIN@NORWICH.BITNET (Rhoda Carroll, Vermont College,
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Date: 14 Oct 92 14:18:00 GMT
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Ann Green, you're welcome to use anything I said.  I'm very interested to
know more about your talk and the stats from your two colleagues.  Do
you guys have anything you could easily upload and transmit?  Or send
via snail mail?  Are you planning to attend C&W 9?

All best,
Rhoda Carroll
Rhoda@Norwich.Bitnet
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