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From: 6310550@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: advice needed: 1992 Dodge Caravan
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:28:45 GMT

I am considering purchasing a 1992 Dodge Caravan.  Anybody that has
one please let me know how you like it ?  I'm a bit leary about getting
a Chrysler product after having serious break problems with my 1989
Jeep.  Are the child seats worth getting ?  How well do they hold up ?
I have a 3.5 yr old & a 9 mos old.  The 9 mos old was pre-occupied
with pulling on the seat pads that were 'velcrowed' on.  Has anybody
had transmission problems like with previous years models ?  Any
feedback will be greatly appreciated...

Thanks,
Debbie Hoffman
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: eoates@us.oracle.com
Subject: Re: MAZDA DEALER RIP OFF
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:47:23 GMT
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In article <2620049@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>, lea00@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Larry Akers) writes:
> 
>     My --MADZA-- dealer experience left me with the opinion that
> the MADZA corp does not care how it's dealers sell cars.  The 
> dealer I bought my new 626 from was the only dealer that could 
> do warranty work on my car.  They said that an error had my car
> listed as being sold 10 months before I bought the car.  They
> were unwilling to help me resolve this problem, they said just 
> bring the car to us for warranty service.  The problem was that
> Larry(MADZA ate my shorts once now I go without)Akers

I don't know about Colorado, but in California, selling a used car as new (my
guess is that is what happened!) is FRAUD, maybe criminal fraud.  If it is just
a paperwork screw up, your local DMV should have the correct sales date based
upon when the paperwork was submitted for registration purposes.  Your warrenty
is pretty explicit (I have owned four Mazdas over time) - it starts when YOU
take delivery, not when they manufacture it.  All you need is proof of purchase
date.  Any one have the Mazda national number handy?  Larry could use it!  If i
turns out that the car was actually USED (that is, sold 10 months before you
bought it, the sold again to you), contact your local DA and file a complaint,
and get a lawyer to sue the dealer for damages and a new car.

Ed Oates (my opinion, not Oracle's)
From: twc@svcs1.UUCP (Ted Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Toyota Supra Repost
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:14:46 GMT
Organization: Silicon Valley Computer Society, Sunnyvale, CA

From article <1992Jul27.164731.25354@u.washington.edu>, by goble@hardy.u.washington.edu (Brian Goble):
> ccm038@rosie.ucdavis.edu (Jason Yan (can cook)) writes:

[stuff deleted]
 
>>Underpowered?  Hmmmm, I don't notice that in my 86.5 Supra.  I drive on
>>I-80 a lot, and every time I hit those 40 degree climbs up the mountain
>>sides, I can fly up the mountain at about 85 miles an hour with ease
>>(rpm at about 3500 - 4000).  It feels very solid and not at all like I'm
>>pushing it to it's limit.  Though you're right, it is kind of heavy for
>>a car.  But I think it makes up for it with the 6 cylinder 200 hp engine.
> 
>> 					Jason Yan
>>					ccm038@fred.ucdavis.edu
> 
> Better yet, get a Supra Turbo ('87 and up).  You'll have 232 hp plus
                                                           ^^^^^^
This is exactly what I mean about "underpowered".  The car is about
3000 lbs.  So with only about 200 hp, it doesn't feel as quick as an MR2
Turbo or an RX7 Turbo.  While I like the looks of the Supra best, I would
only buy one for highway cruising.  You won't able to mash the
throttle and leave current generation sport cars (of about the same price
bracket ) in your rear view mirror.  Nor will you be able to drop them
on those winding mountain roads.

Personally, I prefer the "raw" feeling of a high-horsepower, low-weight
vehicle in the RX-7 Turbo paradigm (my wife has one of these).
I've got a '70 240Z (2355 lbs.) with a 2.9 litre naturally
aspirated balanced and blueprinted inline six.  This car has a less-than
10 lbs/hp ratio, but I definitely wouldn't want to drive this car
from the Silicon Valley to LA.

So there's definitely something to be said for a reliable, comfortable, and
reasonably quick car such as the Supra.  The question of whether or
not the Supra is a good buy depends upon your intended application.

--twc@legal.uucp

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Subject: Re: 20/20 & rollover saf
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:05:18 GMT

In article <12615.2A71C001@ofa123.Fidonet.org> Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.Fidonet.org (Larry Mc Donald) writes:

>>On the other hand... what makes you, or anyone else, think the 20/20
>>story was any better-researched than the 60-Minutes Audi-bashing?
>>Tabloid television is just *that* -- *TABLOID* television... 'National
>>Enquirer' of the airwaves...

>   In this particular case, all one had to do was watch the
>videos of the tests to see which cars were the better design. And
>what they had to say was quite true...

So what?  If it is such a problem, why don't you spend the $250 to add
a roll bar to your car?  Or the $450 for a full roll cage?  The
equipment exists, noone is denying you the right to run out and buy
it.  Have you?  Do you carry a fire extinguisher within reach when you
drive?

I don't see long lines of people running out to buy these pieces.
Forcing it down our throats is not a democratic or market driven
process.

IMHO.

--
...ignoring the fact that most Alfas spend their time cruising for
chicks, most Datsuns being washed and most Porsches in parking spaces
marked "Doctor"...              -Henry N. Manney III, Road and Track
Al Bowers                                 bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov
Xref: sparky rec.autos:18557 rec.autos.driving:4636
From: foggh@sargon.crd.ge.com (H.W. Fogg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: NYS chase cars (WAS: Re: More CHP shit!)
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:48:11 GMT
Reply-To: foggh@sargon.crd.ge.com (H.W. Fogg)
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <1992Jul24.150145.26468@philabs.philips.com>,
jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) writes:
|>In article <Bruu3s.93u@cs.columbia.edu> amb@cs.columbia.edu (andrew m.
boardman) writes:
|>
|>>Perhaps something that *is* new: New York will be replacing its mustangs
|>>with 'vettes as they clock 90k.  FYI, marked 'vettes are as hysterical
|>>looking as they sound...
|>
|>Have you actually seen one?  From what I had read in the NY Times and
|>the local rag, New York will be replacing the Mustangs with high-output
|>Camaros, not Corvettes.  I can't see them spending THAT much money on
|>chase cars when the state is in such a pitiful financial mess....
|>
|>-JPC
|>
|>-- 
|>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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I have seen the new Camaros on the highway - they are an "interesting"
neon blue color.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Subject: Re: Jeep vs. Isuzu
Reply-To: norcott_bill@tandem.com  (Bill Norcott)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:46:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.182149.2453@tcsi.com>, skao@booboo.tcs.com (Simon Kao) writes:
|> I am still looking for a SUV. I've narrowed it down to a battle between
|> the new Isuzu Trooper and the new Jeep Grand Cherokee. As someone pointed

<stuff deleted>

I chose between a new Trooper and the Cherokee in 1988, and I chose
the Trooper.  At that time, the Trooper was several thousand dollars
less than the same equipped Jeep.  I got the completely loaded S model
Trooper, which listed around $14,800, for about $12,500.  At that time
not too many people were buying the Trooper, people said they were
boxy and underpowered but it was the best value.  Also, the Jeep and the
Trooper were the only 4 door SUV on the market.

Now the new "upscale" Trooper are about $21-25,000 I would think very
hard about getting one and would look carefully at the Jeep or the
Ford Explorer, especially now that the Trooper costs more than the
Jeep.  Isuzu has gone from the value leader to costing more.  Parts
availability has been a serious problem for mine, you would certainly
not have that problem with the Jeep.

|> How important and/or useful is it to have shift-on-the-fly 4wd? Is it
|> really inconvenient to have to stop? If you're already in marginal 
|> conditions, will stopping get you in trouble? I don't actually plan
|> to do the Baja race, but will be light off-roading.
|> 
|> 
Even the older Trooper can shift on the fly "after a fashion".  If 
you are at a stop and shift into 4, the auto locking hubs will lock.
Then you can shift back into 2WD and continue driving with the hubs
locked.  At that time you can shift on the fly into 4WD.  If you 
back up while in 2WD the hubs will unlock.

For me, true shift on the fly is of limited usefulness, but full time
4WD is very useful and I thought the Jeep has that.  That alone would
make me lean toward the Jeep.
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From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1993 Camaro
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:16:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Jul29.123706.674@cbnews.cb.att.com>, rescue13@cbnews.cb.att.com (cynthia.a.collins) writes:
> I understand the 1993 Camaro is being totally redone.  Does anyone
> out there know details?  I am considering this vehicle as my solution
> to my mid-life crisis.  Could anyone with details please pass them
> along to me.  
> 
> cac

They have restyled it differently than the 82-92 models.  Personally, I don't
care for the styling compared to the earlier models.  Supposedly, they are
supposed to install the 300hp LT1 engine from the 92 Corvette.  That is all I
know about it right now.

--Rob
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Subject: Re: Solar window fans (was Re: Annoying streaks/film...)
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:12:39 GMT
Keywords: solar fan


In article <134@bluehau.bubble.org> hugo@bluehau.bubble.org (Hugo Bueno) writes:
!nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock) says:
!>
!>OK, glad you brought it up, let's talk about those solar powered side window
!>fans.  They sound to me like a very good idea; turning over the air in the
!>car constantly would seem like a sure-fire way to cool it down.  Can anyone
!>vouch for how well they work in practice?
!>
!>Next, they all say "Not for use with tinted windows."  Why, exactly?  Does
!>that refer to factory-tinted windows, or just aftermarket tinting (is there
!>a difference?)  I was under the impression that most (or many, at least) cars
!>these days come with some window tinting; I know mine does.  That makes me
!>rather reluctant to experiment with one of these fans until I understand
!>what's going on...
!
!Probably because the solar cell sits inside the car. If you
!have tinted windows, there will not be enough light for
!the solar cell to provide enough current.

You will scratch the tint sliding the device on and off the window.

Gary
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Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 15:31:07 EDT
From: <CJOHNSON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject:    MOBIL OIL NO. 1

I HAVE BEEN USEING MOBIL ONE SYNT. 20/50  FOR ABOUT TEN THOUSAND MILES GIVE OR
TAKE A THOUSAND. IF I SWITCH BACK TO A REGULAR TYPE OF 20/50 OIL WILL IT HURT
THE ENGINE ?
From: dave@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Dave Fujii)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Costco Tires
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:17:10 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID

>  Does anyone have any experience buying tires from Costco (a
> "wholesale purchasing club")?  

I purchased 4 Uniroyal 225 75R15 studded snow tires from Costco this
last winter.  Costco did the mounting and balancing.  Pricing was
amazing -- I think the whole ball of wax was about $245 before ID sales
tax.  The guys in the shop appeared knowledgeable and were very customer
oriented.

Between family and friends, I know of 12 other tires that have been purchased
and serviced from Costco, 4 Uniroyal passenger car tires, and 8 large Yokohama
mud 'n' snows.  No problems reported.

Dave Fujii
From: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Unmarked COP Cars (Was Re: More CHP shit!)
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:12:35 GMT
Reply-To: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim) writes:
>                        Never mind the fact all of those Caprice
>cruisers pack enough horsepower to chase you down on their own; it's
>all psychological.  It's only the rare wingnut who thinks "I'm gonna
>lose 'im if it's the last thing I do" and could care less about whether
>it's an interceptor or not ...
>    :: :: :: :: ::     Synth F.    synth@deepthought.unm.edu    U S E N E T
> :: :: :: :: :: :: ::  Oberheim    synth@yenta.alb.nm.us             in color!


       Even if the cops are driving Yugos, they're going to get you
because, as the old saying goes, "Ain't nothing faster than a Motorola!"

					 Steve
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Jeep vs. Isuzu
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 21:41:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.182149.2453@tcsi.com>, skao@booboo.tcs.com (Simon Kao) writes:
> 
> How important and/or useful is it to have shift-on-the-fly 4wd? Is it
> really inconvenient to have to stop? If you're already in marginal 
> conditions, will stopping get you in trouble? I don't actually plan
> to do the Baja race, but will be light off-roading.


It will come in handy someday in bad weather when you find yourself
heading in the wrong direction. ;-)  Anything else you can plan for,
so then it's no big deal.  And don't drive into that stream with the
'gators without locking the hubs first.  :-) :-) :-)

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From: tucker@shiva.edsg.hac.com (George Tucker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Really a policeman? (was Re: Unmarked COP Cars)
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:13:39 GMT
Reply-To: tucker@shiva.UUCP (George Tucker)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <1992Jul28.035848.10644@cs.ucla.edu> wales@CS.UCLA.EDU (Rich Wales) writes:
>officers involved.  I never heard anything more about the incident, so
>I can't really say if my complaint ended up making any difference.

The LAPD stopped listening to civilians many years ago, if they ever did.
Civilians are scum.  Verbal complaints just dissipate and written ones are
insulation.  Well, sometimes they are used to target individual enemy civilians.

	 George Tucker        tucker@tcville.hac.com
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From: trudel@dartagnan.rutgers.edu (Jonathan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL (SE-R & SC)
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:02:45 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

ELHAZIN@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Issa Elhazin) writes:


> As it has been said before, 
>the Saturn is NOT the big break-through it is believed/hoped-to-be by the 
>'freakin' media but it is a good start (it is a break-through for GM). 

Then I guess the recently released JD Power Customer Satisfaction
Index indicating that Saturn's #3 rating (below Lexus and Infiniti, I
believe) means nothing to you, right?  For it to leap from nothing to
#3 in two years says nothing, eh?  Do you agree or not?

I'm not raving about it - I just think that it's very remarkable that
GM, which has been noted many times in rec.autos for screwing the
customer, has let Saturn reach this level.  

I don't own a Saturn, and I won't consider buying one until they redo
the way the coupe looks.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: drt@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Robert Toreki)
Subject: Re: buying a new car
Summary: just a note
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:05:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.195249.2571@crc.ricoh.com> chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff
Chilton) writes: 

>   A Saturn dealers is almost guaranteed to sell for the list price
>   only.  Their markup is one of the more modest.

	Um, depends what you mean.  According to Consumer Reports (apply with
caution), the markup over the dealer's cost is among the HIGHEST of all car
models.

	But, a Saturn dealer won't add a $12 tank of gas, $5 door edge guards
and some stupid pinstriping and call that an added value package.  And charge
you $400 for it.

					Rob
From: norman@crvax.sri.com (NORMAN TRESNAK)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Recommendation for body and paint work
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:21:00 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: SRI International
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Does anyone know of a body shop in Newark, Fremont, Union City or Hayward
that does good-excellent work on repairs and painting?  The vehicle in
need of repair is a 1977 Chevrolet Nova if that matters.

Thanks...Norman@sri.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ganapath@tahoe.qualcomm.com (Chinnappa Ganapathy)
Subject: Re: BMW and Lexus: Feedback Wanted
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:35:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.124411.1@wharton.upenn.edu> mizutanit@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>
>If a slightly older car does not bother you, the 750iL is a better car than a
>Q45, has an automatic (if you require one), and sells for about the same price
>as a Q45.
>
>Taka

No.  Unless you are comparing a used 750iL and a new Q45.  The 750iL is
about 75% costlier than the Q45.

Chinna
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: New MBs
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 04:57:44 GMT

With the exception of the SL...all are too boxy.

Look like Volvo's
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From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: Lying Police Incident
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:21:18 GMT

You know, this is *really* funny!  Since the attributes are getting
*way* too long, I have decided not to include any of them!! :-)

All the discussion which has arisen about entrapment and possible
defenses and so on, and on and on and on . . . .  All I was trying to
say in my original post is that the officer was speeding and shouldn't
have been so hypocritical as to turn around and hand me a ticket.

All I was saying is that police officers should respect and obey the
laws they are sworn to uphold.

Yeah, I was dumb to allow myself to inadvertently speed up, lulled by
the fact that the officer couldn't be going very much in excess of the
speed limit.  You can bet I'll never do it again!

I was simply using the incident as an example of how police officers are
free to ignore the law.  [Note to Schott (sorry, I don't have your full
name or address) -- you will **NEVER** convince me that police officers
are given citations for speeding and have points taken off their
licenses until you provide me with proof!  I understand that you work
with police officers -- that makes you biased to my way of thinking.  In
my response to your message I asked for *documented proof* of a police
officer receiving a speeding ticket.  Give it to me and I'll believe
you.]

Note to the person who said I was disobeying the law by not keeping to
the right -- I was passing the cars to my right so I couldn't have
stayed in the right lane.

Yes, I realized I was speeding since I was passing the other cars in the
right lane.  What I did not realize was that I was going in excess of 10
m.p.h. over the legal speed limit.  I figured that the other cars had
seen the police car and (as is too often the case) had slowed down to
under 55 m.p.h.  No flames, please.  I have seen this happen far too
often.  People are completely paranoid around police officers (with
cause, as I have come to understand! :-).

Well, I think we can end the hypothetical debate.  The point I was
making when I went to contest the ticket was not really that I was not
speeding, but that the officer was, and that he shouldn't be allowed to
violate the law any more than I should.

Peace.  Peace.  I think it's time to bury the dead.  :-)

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