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From: gilligan@cs1.bradley.edu (Edward Henigin)
Subject: Re: Somalia -- do you believe the peace mission?
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:29:53 GMT

In <Bz2yuE.KIz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> trd54583@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (NM156) writes:
>gilligan@cs1.bradley.edu (Edward Henigin) writes:
>>So, just what is the government's angle in Somalia?  I personally do
>>not believe that it is simply for the benefit of the poor starving
>>Somalians.  I think the American Government expects to reap some other
>>benefit for itself by going through this relief effort.  I just don't
>>know what . . . . 

>Well, a few things i can think of...
>	keeps a 'market' open for the military...
>	keeps appropriations money (that's s'posed to be cut) in the military 
>	  (but, senator, we need money cuz our good will mission in Somalia
>	   is costing lots more than we expected...you don't want the children
>	   to starve, do you senator?)
>	any large scale military action is good for the defense industry

Yes, one of the primary roles of our government is to provide jobs.  One
good way of doing this is to have some sort of industry that requires
a large number of people doing a variety of things.  Military demands
products that are only realized when a lot of people put a lot of time
into making them.
The part of our economy that supports the military is probably quite
large . . . I think someone should look up the numbers, to figure out
just how much of our economy, directly or indirectly, is tied to the
military.

>	George looks like Santa Claus by insuring that food and other goodies
>	   reach the starving...

Yes, that's something I didn't think about.  George Bush is almost gone
from office.  When he leaves, the troops are probably still going to be
in Somalia, and by then the public might be getting sick of them being
there.  So, Bush reaps the reward of increasing his popularity, and
he leaves a 'present' of sorts for incoming Clinton, who has a poor
reputation for foreign policy.

Seems kind of like a risky move on Bush's part, because it's hard to 
predict just what's going to happen in Somalia when Clinton takes office.
This might be the seed for Bush's bid for re-election in '96.  Or,
it might be a way of helping Clinton out, by giving him the openings of
a plan to follow for foreign policy.

>Tom...just throwing out some thoughts...
>-- 

ditto

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|ed -- gilligan@camelot.bradley.edu                                          |
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From: car-a@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.overlords
Subject: LOTD
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:42:58 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Yet More Lyrics for the day:

"White jar left of shelf above blue chair"
	So stark/She's a skyscraper by Pavement.


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From: gnoer1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Geoff Noer)
Subject: Re: responce to Somalia-is there no good left in this world?
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:26:27 GMT

In article <BzDq6z.5tJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, js4369@eehp5 () writes:
> 
> The USA always seems to lead the world on missions of peace
> and all that?  WAKE UP AND SMELL THE POLITICS MY FRIEND!
> Who was one of the last nations to recognize The new yugoslavian
> nations and boycot Serbia for its injustices?  Could it be
> The United States?  And how many of these "Help" missions
> actually end up aiding the country or makeing a difference? 
> As I recall when we attacked Grenada (such a dangerous country!)
> it was because they were building a runway that we suspected
> was for communist use (it wasn't).  Guess what the first act 
> of the post invation grenada government was?  To build the
> stupid runway!  Such change we brought to that poor oppressed
> nation.  And if our government is the group of nobel global
> cops you make them out to be then why didn't we lend a hand 
> in such such wartron countries as Liberia?  Could it be
> because Liberia has no Oil deposits and an invation would 
> have no political gain?  You tell me.  Wake up and smell the
> politics!  (stinks don't it?)
>                                 -mercutio (jsulliva@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu)
> "You mean its not a tomato plant? I'm as shocked as you are officer!"
> "Don't blame me I voted libertarian"
> "Life's a long song; so is 'Thick as a Brick'"
> 
> P
> P
>                                       
> 
So why are we are we in Somalia? oil? 

The politics may stink, but there are still people starving. Why don't
people like you try to look at the good that is being done regardless of
the motives of the people doing it? No matter what you say, no other
country would do such a thing- they all just close their eyes and pretend
that there is no problem. 
There comes a time when people have to put their differences aside, and
unite for the common good. This time it happens to be feeding people. Back
to the basics- food, clothing, water, and shelter. Look at that before you
look at the evil doings of the American government.

																																			-horatio (ncohen1@cc.swarthmore.edu)

"Bring me a shrubbery."
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From: ljz57640@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (l.j.z. )
Subject: Re: Write on!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:06:04 GMT

rxz1011@usl.edu (Zamora Rodrigo) writes:


>I am very glad that this newsgroup is getting some posts now since my
>favorite newsgroup alt.sex.bondage.particle.physics isn't getting 
>too much. :)
>And i would actually write something noteworthy here but I am getting
>kinda tired.  I owe you people one.

Believe me, dear, you said more in this post than about three-quarters of
the population say in a lifetime (intelligently, of course).  

"What we have here is a failure to communicate."

Keep talking, people... we need all the intelligent conversation we can get.



--L.


-- 
laura j zurawski         juniper@uiuc.edu        
"Sometimes you can't explain your actions...
	sometimes you can't explain yourself"   
"PUSH THE BUTTON, FRANK!"
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Subject: QOTD
From: csteffen@hotspur.gac.edu (Craig P Steffen)
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:58:52 -0600

Quote of the day:

"Far over the misty mountains cold
where dungeons deep and caverns old
we must away, ere break of day,
to claim our long forgotten gold...

..Far over the misty mountains grim
where dungeons deep and caverns grim
we must away, ere break of day,
to claim our harps and gold from him."

                                                             -Dwarven song
                                                                THE HOBBIT

This is from memory, if something is amiss, please correct it.  I could  
not live with myself if I were blaspheming Mr. Tolkiens work.

Craig Steffen
Wielder of the Grand Unified Field Theory,
Bane of Entropy,
and defender and keeper of the One Quote
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From: jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jester)
Subject: YAQOTD
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:02:58 GMT

  "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
  inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter
  the state of facts and evidence"     --      John Adams
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Subject: QOTD
From: csteffen@hotspur.gac.edu (Craig P Steffen)
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:45:37 -0600

Quote of the day:

"Me?  Lie??  Never--the truth is far too much fun!"
                                                       -Captain James Hook
                                                                      HOOK

Craig Steffen
Wielder of the Grand Unified Field Theory
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From: rutley1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Ro Utley)
Subject: Somalia-is there no good left in this world?
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:31:02 GMT

You may enjoy writing about the conspricacy to set up a "good" government
in Somalia to support the United States' goal of an imperial empire
stretching across the globe.Please,  WAKE UP!!

The United States of America is the only country in this world with a
collective conscience which actually acts! If you havn't noticed, it is
always the United States leading these missions into countries like
Somalia. What do we have to gain in Somalia?!. There are no real natural
resources to gain from. Maybe, just maybe, there is some genuine, unselfish
good left in this demented world of ours. 


Whatever the motives, I think that we should all be thankful that at least
someone is helping those starving people out while we sit out lazy asses
down and debate on a computer.


_________________________________________________________________

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From: gilligan@cs1.bradley.edu (Edward Henigin)
Subject: Re: Somalia -- do you believe the peace mission?
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:51:28 GMT

In <Bz4755.5CL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mdm31793@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Maurice the Impaler) writes:

>Well, I believe that contrary to what the government says about "this time
>we're not going to set up a government," they're going to do it anyways...
>How many other times has the U.S. sent military into a third world nation,
>end its war, then set up a government of our choosing?  How many can you
>name off?  If you can get more than 3, you've been paying attention to
>international affairs the last 10 years...If you can't name 3, well, the
>media has blinded you, as they tend to always do...
>Okay, I also tend to agree on the "exercise the military" explanation and
>the funding explanation, but I STILL see the U.S. setting up a government
>of its choosing before we leave (you think we could stop the violence without
>choosing sides?)

Can you name the countries for us, please, and give a short synopsis of
what has happened since we've done that?  Maybe we can use history
to predict what's going to happen in Somalia.
Does the government see it as useful or worthwhile to set up governments
in other countries?  From what I've seen, the governments that are like that
tend to be highly unstable, and in the long run, don't help America
out at all . . . 

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|ed -- gilligan@camelot.bradley.edu                                          |
|   -- gilligan@cs1.bradley.edu     | If you want a friend, feed any animal. |
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From: scheider@oswego.Oswego.edu
Newsgroups: alt.overlords
Subject: Overlords List
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:17:14 GMT
Reply-To: scheider@oswego.Oswego.edu ()
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Originator: scheider@squirrel.oswego.edu



             Cat, the Mystical Divinity of Unashamed Felinity
Round the cathedral rang 'Vivat!'  Life to the everlasting Cat!
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From: csteffen@hotspur.gac.edu (Craig P Steffen)
Newsgroups: alt.overlords
Subject: QOTD
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:50:23 GMT
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College
NNTP-Posting-Host: perdita.gac.edu

Quote of the Day:

"...sing in the words of the old Negro Spiritual 'free at last, free at  
last, thank God Almighty, we are free at last!'"
                                                   -Martin Luther King Jr. 

something that sums up many's feelings at the end of finals week.

Craig Steffen
Wielder of the Grand Unified Field Theory
[and who ACED his Classical Physics III final yesterday]
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From: ljz57640@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (l.j.z. )
Subject: Re: LOTD
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:58:37 GMT

car-a@minster.york.ac.uk writes:

>Lyrics for the day:
>"I close my eyes, my world is full,
>But not of friendly faces.
>My dreams are real, they last all day,
>I know I'm going places.
>I take a step, my world rotates,
>But I'm still in the centre.
>And if I leave, it will deflate,
>Afraid it might be better."
>	Instability by Dunderfunk

Um... Dunderfunk?  Dunderfunk????????  What kind of a name is that?  

"Yes, I liked it, had a good beat, I can dance to it... I'll give it a 63"

>|*car-a@minster.york.ac.uk*************************BEEP(1,5)*|

Ah well, as usual, I have nothing important to say.

TTFN,
--L.


-- 
laura j zurawski      juniper@uiuc.edu
"Sometimes you can't explain your actions,
       sometimes you can't explain yourself."
"PUSH THE BUTTON, FRANK!"
From: car-a@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.overlords
Subject: LOTD
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:40:53 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Lyrics for the day:

"I close my eyes, my world is full,
But not of friendly faces.
My dreams are real, they last all day,
I know I'm going places.

I take a step, my world rotates,
But I'm still in the centre.
And if I leave, it will deflate,
Afraid it might be better."
	Instability by Dunderfunk


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From: wbg@mtek.com (W. Brewster Gillett)
Subject: Re: QOTD
Reply-To: brew@mtek.com
Organization: MTEK International, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 18:23:42 GMT

"Filthy Bagginses; we hates it forever?"
"Gollum, gollum!"

-- 
_________________________________________________________________
brew@mtek.com
MTEK International, Inc.             Throughput Technology Corp.
Throughput!
From: scheider@oswego.Oswego.edu (cat)
Newsgroups: alt.overlords
Subject: Overlords List
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:21:54 GMT
Reply-To: scheider@oswego.Oswego.edu (cat)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Originator: scheider@squirrel.oswego.edu

Hi there.  First off, sorry for my prior post - it appears I wanted to
type 'e', but my hand wanted to type 's' more urgently.

Jester, I need to check a few things, and I think my overlords list is
outdated.  Could you possibly repost it with what changes have been 
wrought over the semester?  Thanks in advance :).

             Cat, the Mystical Divinity of Unashamed Felinity
Round the cathedral rang 'Vivat!'  Life to the everlasting Cat!
From: jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jester)
Newsgroups: alt.overlords
Subject: YAQOTD
Date: 12 Dec 92 04:16:07 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

"Chester used to be vice-president of Warner Brothers, but now he's the janitor
here at Cowboy Wally Enterprises. We kid him about it. Chester says that
there's just as much dignity in being a janitor as there is in being
vice-president of Warner Brothers."  --Cowboy Wally

"Be what you would seem to be - or, if you'd like it put more simply - Never
 imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that
 what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been
 would have appeared to them to be otherwise."  -- Lewis Carrol
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From: rxz1011@usl.edu (Zamora Rodrigo)
Subject: Re: Somailia
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:15:12 GMT


Newsgroups: alt.overlords
Subject: Re: Somalia-is there no good left in this world?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <M1KVBL4P@cc.swarthmore.edu> rutley1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Ro Utley) writes:
>You may enjoy writing about the conspricacy to set up a "good" government
>in Somalia to support the United States' goal of an imperial empire
>stretching across the globe.Please,  WAKE UP!!
>
>The United States of America is the only country in this world with a
>collective conscience which actually acts! If you havn't noticed, it is
>always the United States leading these missions into countries like
>Somalia. What do we have to gain in Somalia?!. There are no real natural
>resources to gain from. Maybe, just maybe, there is some genuine, unselfish
>good left in this demented world of ours. 
>
Yes you are correct the U.S. is the only civilized nation that can
teach the rest of the animals in this world how to live.  Bullshit!
You Wake up, our society isn't even a model for us, much less the
rest of the world.  The main thing the U.S. has to gain from this
invasion, that we pretentiously call a rescue, is a precedent to
use the U.N. as an ally for its invasions.  The U.S. will go into
other countries using reasons of morality as an excuse.  This is
what happned in the Gulf War when the Iraqis were accused of 
stealing incubators.  This I know was just propaganda, but I do
know that people are really starving, however I will not be 
suckered into believing the only solution to this problem is
the self-proclaimed defenders of morality, the U.S. government.
I have never known the U.S. government, or for that matter any
government, to do much for others without its interest first.
Don't believe that you are the only one who cares.

-- 
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------     Rodrigo Zamora                                                    zam@usl.edu   	"If you put tomfoolery into a computer, nothing comes out but            tomfoolery.  But this tomfoolery having passed through a very expensive         machine, is somehow ennobled, and no one dares criticize it."
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From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: male choice
X-To: MICHAL LEAH PERI
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:55:00 GMT

peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes...
MLP> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
MLP> >In article <1fof0iINN3fp@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Lea
MLP> i) writes:
MLP> >>If a man (who is not willing to become a father) has intercourse with a
MLP> >>woman without ascertaining her intent *first* than he is an immature fool
MLP> >>If *afterwards* he cries, yells, and threatens, then he is merely
MLP> >>advertising his folly and lack of maturity.

MLP> >By your reasoning, all the women who had intercourse before abortion
MLP> >was legal must have been "immature fools."

MLP> In pre-Roe days, a woman who got accidentally pregnant was in a real
MLP> pickle.  Does this mean she was a fool?

MLP> Well, if she engaged in *consensual* sex she certainly took a risk.
MLP> One hopes that risk -- and the benefits -- were taken into account.
MLP> If they were, and she got pregnant, then she was unlucky.
MLP> If they were not, and she got pregnant, then she was an unlucky fool.

MLP> Roe hasn't changed this.

Oh, au contraire, but it *has*.  She can now get OUT of her "pickle" ; he
still *can't*.  Still a fool, but not an "unlucky" one, or not at least for
very long, certainly not for EIGHTEEN YEARS, hmmm?

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From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: whats bugging who?
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:26:02 GMT

>It's not a dearth of procreation that's bugging this 
>group. It's a reluctance to pay for their progeny.

It's not a reluctince to pay for their progeny, it's not having a chouce
as to wether or not to deal with the progany.
It's that the woman makes the decision for both.
It's that if she want's the child he has to pay.
It's that she can say->I know you don't want the child but I do and I can't
aford all the expensis of raising this child but I'm going to have it any
way so you danm well beter pay up. or I'm haveing this child even if you
dont want it so you beter pay even thou I can aford it by my self I see no
reason to lower my income that much<-
It's that if she doesnt want to raise the child she can abort or put it up
for adoption.
It's that if she decides to put the child up for adoptin he has to prove that
he can provide for the child if he wants it.

Elf-Kin
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From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity,soc.men,alt.feminism
Subject: negligence and paternity
Date: 20 Dec 1992 01:29:15 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:

>The man's action (participating in coitus sex) is part of the causal chain 
>leading to the creation of the child, therefore there is a _prima facie_ 
>legal case for holding him at least partly responsible for the support of that 
>child.

>Of course, having said that, I'd prefer that his liability be proportionate
>to his ACTUAL negligence, instead of the stupid, blind, presumption-of-equal-
>negligence we implicitly have now...

How would you define "negligence"?  How do you rank it?
How would you balance a man's "negligence" against a woman's "negligence"?

A few examples to mull over:

(1) Is a man who uses withdrawl negligent?

(2) Is a man negligent if he believes a woman when she says (in good faith)
that it's "not her fertile time"?

(3) Is a man "negligent" if he believes a woman is using the pill, and that
fact "takes care of everything".

In each of the above cases, is the man more or less negligent than the
woman (assuming the sex was consensual)?

-- 

                                                --  Michal
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