From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Re: Reform Party vs Quebec (was Reform Party)
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:42:30 GMT

In article <aidler.722534187@sanjuan>, aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:

> Just as in the recent referendum, the Reform Party
> stands against some very powerful elites in 
> Canadian society.  It takes *courage* to make a
> stand against groups we have been taught to revere.
> 
> The Reform Party is the largest political organization
> in Canada.  However, we receive few corporate or
> union donations because these groups fear that we
> will act to undermine entrenched privileges.

Talk about idealism! Alan.... get a hold of yourself. These guys are no better
than the Tories that you have been disappointed in. Your leader has already
begun to purge elements in the party that do not suit him, and he is weeding
out "bad" members... like that poor bigot in Ontario, just to look good on
TV. This man is the most ambitious political newcomer since Brian Mulroney
plotted his takeover of the PC party years ago.

Yes it takes guts to oppose powerful elites. It also takes guts to realize
that Preston Manning and the Reform party is trying to feed Canadians with
a line of crap. Which means, we should stop referring to the Big 3 evil
parties and start referring to the Big 4.

(John Paul voices doubts....)
>>I want much clearer evidence that the Reform Party is not dragging in
>>a lot of relgious, moralistic, sel-righteous dogma in with its policies.
>>I am not totally convinced that the Reform Party stands for seperating
>>religious and moral issues from the economic and democratic issues.
>>Ideally, I want the Reform Party to be somewhat libertarian:
>>economically conservative, let market forces rule. But socially
>>liberal, in that the State has no business declaring actions
>>or lifestyleas immoral or illegal, if those actions affect no-one else
>>but that individual.

(Reform hack responds)> 
> If you basically agree with the Party's philosophy,
> I invite you to become involved in our democratic
> organization.  Then, you will have a role in shaping
> the Party's future.
> 
> A IDLER

The Party... the Party.... that is the problem with this organization. They
operate just like the others, and demand the same loyalty. When I hear the
words "Party" I immediately think of Stalin, Hitler and all those other guys
pushing their platform and claiming the people are on their side. Do you know
what. It is all pollitical b*s*.

Like I said, this party is no different from socialist parties from the 30's.
They pushed populism, but as time wore on they became just like all the rest.
Look at the NDP and tell me that is the same party JS Woodsworth founded.
Maybe it is a bit anarchistic of me, but the only honest political party in
this country is the Bloc Quebecois. If Canada breaks up this party will have
achieved its goals and will no longer be needed.

I look forward to the day when all of our politicians will no longer be a
necessity. They get in the way of personal and economic freedom. They take
your money. And then they tell you it is for the good of society. And anyone
who proposes a REAL radical realignment is called an enemy of the state, the
people and of Canada itself.

That is why Uncle Preston will be just like the rest. When the big PM said
that he was going to axe indexed pensions, look what they did to him. When
Uncle Preston puts his axe to work, the people will tell him to back off, and
Uncle Preston, being the populist scumbag that he is, will do just that.

The so-called Reform party has no other prinicipals than gaining power. They
tell disillusioned Canadians that they are the party that the PC's should have
been. Just like the other three, they too do not have a fundamental
understanding of Quebec or choose to ignore the facts. They appeal to anti-
Quebec racism and the worst form of pan-Canadian nationalism, Trudeau style
centalism (look how Uncle Preston quoted PET in the referendum on so-called
blackmail), and the worst religious and cultural prejudices in all of us
(witness the deification of the RCMP uniform by Reform). Deep down they want
what the other parties want but have failed to achieve with bilingualism...
the restoration of the English language as the domininant economic and cultural
language of Quebec and the dominance of the Quebec anglophone community.

When Preston denounces so-called two-founding nation policies, what he is 
really saying is that the French language means nothing, either in Ottawa,
or Quebec or the rest of Caada. That ultimately he wants what the PC party used
to want: a "bilingual" English-dominated Quebec in an official English only
Canada. French commmunities outside Quebec are already doomed to extinction.
When Preston goes to work... watch as Preston and the Reform party try to do
the same thing to Quebecers. 30 years of reform in Quebec flushed down the
toilet by the racist Reform party.

This country, already bad, will be worse of with Preston riding the saddle.



-- 

John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


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