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From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:07 PST
Subject: T Jalong (SAM) passport held
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700784:000:1544
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Nov 11 20:07:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: T Jalong (SAM) passport held

/* Written  7:54 pm  Nov 11, 1992 by dte@peg.apc.org in igc:rainfor.genera */
                     Sahabat Alam Malaysia
                    (Friends of the Earth)

PRESS STATEMENT                               11 November 1992


  CONFISCATION OF PASSPORT OF THOMAS JALONG, SAM STAFF MEMBER

Sahabat Alam Malaysia is very surprised and shocked at the
action of the Malaysian immigration authorities in
confiscating the passport of Thomas Jalong, a staff member, at
Subang International Airport on Tuesday night (10 November,
1992).

Mr Jalong was on his way to Japan to attend the meeting of the
International Tropical Timber Organisation (ITTO) and a
seminar of indigenous peoples from Asia and Latin America.
Sahabat Alam Malaysia is accredited as an NGO observer to the
ITTO meeting, and Mr Jalong has attended previous meetings
held in Japan.

No reasons have been given by the immigration authorities, who
merely informed Mr Jalong that he was not allowed to leave the
country. Mr Jalong was told to meet the immigration
authorities in Kuala Lumpur in two weeks time to ascertain the
status of his passport.

Japan is not a restricted country as far as Malaysians are
concerned and SAM sees no reason for this action against Mr
Jalong. We shall be contacting the immigration authorities for
clarifications on the matter.

S.M. Mohd. Idris
President

Sahabat Alam Malaysia, 19 Kelawei Road, 10250 Penang, Malaysia
Tel: +604 376 930/ Tel & Fax: +604 375 705
From: hrcoord@igc.apc.org (Human Rights Coordinator)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: CPR Kidnapping
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:44:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700797:000:1415
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Nov 12 12:44:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: CPR Kidnapping

/* Written 12:27 am  Nov 12, 1992 by cdhgcdn@web.apc.org in igc:reg.guatemala */
ARMY KIDNAPS LEADERS OF THE COMMUNITIES OF POPULATION IN
RESISTANCE (CPR) IN GUATEMALA

News Source ENFOPRENSA 10/11/92

An army headed civil patrol unit (PAC) kidnapped 4 members
of the CPR in the Quiche province in the western part of the
country on the 11th October this year.  The CPR members
denounced that, when they went shopping for food for their
families they were intercepted by a PAC unit. They were
accused of being guerillas and their possessions were taken
away. They were then taken to an army barracks where they
were interrogated about the leadership and membership of the
CPR. They denounced their kidnapping to the Human Rights
Procurator in the capital city.

Please direct your messages to:

1- Your federal and provincial representative, desk of the
Secretary of External Affairs.

2-President Jorge Serrano Ellias, Palacio Nacional,
Guatemala, Guatemala, Centro America.

3- President of the Supreme Court of Justice, Lic Juan Jose
Rodil Peralta, Centro Civico, 21 Calle y 7a, Av. Zona 1,
Guatemala, Guatemala, Fax (5022)512686;

4-President of the Constitutional Court, Lic Jorge Mario
Garcia, 11 Ave, entre 9a y 10 calles, Guatemala, Guatemala;

Please feel free to copy, reproduce, distribute this
information citing the source: ENFOPRENSA.
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
From: aeckert@diana.cair.du.edu (AMY E. ECKERT)
Subject: Re: Standard Rights for Refugees(?)
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:22:17 GMT

In article <1dksbqINN2tq@lester.appstate.edu> GRS02932@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*David Winn Ponder) writes:
>
>	After hearing and reading about the continued violation of rights for
>refugees I have begun to wonder what action could be taken to ensure and
>protect the rights of refugees.  Does the U.N. Declaration on Human Rights
>contain an article on refugees?  How can the international comunity ensure
>human rights in the new world without violating rights of sovreignty?  Possibly  
>we should start placing the rights of the individual above the rights of the
>state.	

I agree that this would be more advantageous for the refugees, but since
the international system is state-based, it would be difficult to 
implement a standard which put the rights of the individuals above those
of states.

Amy
From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:11 PST
Subject: Re: AI EX087/92 TURKMENISTAN DP
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1476700785:cdp:1476700786:000:462
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Nov 11 20:11:00 1992


/* Written  5:25 pm  Nov 10, 1992 by gn:rmitchellai in igc:ai.uan */

Please note:

There is no diplomatic representative in the UK.

-----------------------------------------------------

If you have any any queries about this Urgent Action or about
the UA scheme in general, please contact:

Ray Mitchell
Amnesty International British Section
99 - 119 Rosebery Avenue
London
EC1R 4RE

email: gn:rmitchellai

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From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Date: 09 Nov 92 09:06 PST
Subject: Update on Burma and Thailand
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700772:000:2426
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Nov  9 09:06:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: Update on Burma and Thailand

From @pucc.Princeton.EDU:SEASIA-L@MSU.BITNET Sun Nov  8 19:58:50
1992 RTw  11/08 0005  THAIS TO REVIEW ``CONSTRUCTIVE'' BURMA
POLICY

    By Sutin Wannabovorn BANGKOK, Nov 8, Reuter - Thailand is to
    review its policy of "constructive
engagement" towards the military junta in Burma and will take a
softer line on exiled Burmese students, a highly-placed government
source told Reuters.
    Bangkok has been criticised by Western governments and the
Burmese opposition for its close ties with its neighbour, whose
record of repression is labelled appalling by international human
rights groups.
    Up to now Bangkok has said the policy was aimed at coaxing the
ruling generals towards democracy rather than confronting them.
    "We will have to overhaul the Burma policy. I am against all
measures that contribute to prolonging the power of the SLORC,"
the source said of the ruling State Law and Order Restoration
Council.
    The Burmese military took direct power in 1988 by killing
thousands to crush a nationwide pro-democracy uprising.
    Opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi, the 1991 Nobel Peace Prize
winner, is now in her fourth year of house arrest.
    The source said it was decided to review policy because of the
strong human rights position taken by U.S. President-elect Bill
Clinton.
    Plans to round up exiled Burmese students will be eased, the
    source said.  The Thai Interior Ministry has prepared what it
    called "safety areas" for
Burmese students and threatened to prosecute as illegal immigrants
those who do not register.
    When the scheme started last week only a handful of students
reported to the authorities.
    "These students are not criminals. They are the future of
Burma, a new generation who will fight for democracy so we will
not treat them like criminals," the source said.
    The government will relax the deadline for students to go to
the camps and will later seek appropriate measures to help them
stay in Thailand until the situation in Burma improves.
    Thousands of Burmese students, Buddhist monks and political
activists fled the country to seek refuge in Thailand in 1988.
    The Thai government has issued temporary visas to more than
1,300 exiles, among them 516 students. The cards expired last
Thursday.
    Most students said they would go underground.
 REUTER SUT MH JS
From: wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash)
Subject: Re: Re: Lesbianville on 20/20
Keywords: soc.lesbian, soc.muffdiver, soc.dykes, soc.pimply.teenaged.boys
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 23:40:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.114046.27870@netcom.com> cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee) writes:
>If there IS a group formed for lg women, may I suggest the name
>soc.muffdiver?

Inaccurate and exclusionary.  Lesbian != muffdiver.  (That's C for not equal.)
How about soc.process? soc.dance.club.not.goddess.forbid.bar?
soc.wimmin.only.we.really.mean.it.this.time?

How about soc.motss?
---
-Wendy T., very lg woman
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: social democracy
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:55:23 GMT

In article <19921110002219ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:

>Other than what I've seen through the media and through various
>discussions on BBSs and Usenet about the Canadian socialized medical
>system, I really don't know all that much about Canada's liberal
>system. I doubt that I would prefer it to voluntarism, however.

In Canada, I got health care with a lot less red tape and hassle than
I was used to in the US.  It also works out to be cheaper.  But of course,
since we know that government is the problem, and not the solution, I
suppose I must be mistaken.

>I strongly suspect that Canadians pay a much higher percentage of their
>incomes in taxes than our 47%. 

Canadians are dealing with their deficit, and get more out of their 
government than we get out of ours.  A cost/benefit analysis would
be more to the point, with actual figures if you are really going to
try to prove something.

These things can be considered more rationally if you don't come at
them with an ideological ax to grind.

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: gcl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE C. LIN)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Adoption?
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:59:03 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


How hard is it for a homosexual couple to adopt a child?

any body out there with this experience care to reveal the process
and any snags that he/she might've ran into along the way?

Thanx.

George
-email preferred.--
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Summary: Burn Baby Burn (posting inferno) Burn Baby Burn
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:18:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov11.001814.17831
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!

In article <45618@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.163430.10754@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>I wish I could remember the exact words (and I am far too lazy to go
>look), but I was left with the impression that Mara had said that OR:9
>was measurably worse than CO:2 and that the other article said that
>CO:2 wasn't so bad when compared to OR:9.  I prefer that both are vile
>and evil, but that OR:9 goes further in its vile, evil agenda.

Luckily, I love quoting myself. My exact words were:
>But... but... he was right, wasn't he? CO-2 isn't nearly as bad
>as OR-9. OR-9 would have mandated state homophobia, and made it
>required curriculum in state-run schools. CO-2 just struck down
>antidiscrimination laws. CO-2 is bad, but OR-9 would have been
>much worse.

This was me in my "non-provocative" mode. I'm still not sure how
this provoked a flamewar. I had hitherto thought it was obvious
that OR-9 was worse than CO-2; which meant, as a necessary
corollary, that CO-2 is not as bad as OR-9. Bad, yes, but not as
bad.

This sparked a number of flames along the lines of "Bad is bad;
saying one thing is worse is denying that the other is bad; die,
assimilationist scum." (Okay, I'm paraphrasing.)

Of course, once the flamewar started, I jumped in with both feet.
Like I said, my mon Drew don't shiv. He nasty. (Hope Rob don't
say "balls nasty...")

>I know that it is asking too much, but if we could all watch our
>phrasing for a while so as not to make it look like Colorado got a
>good deal in comparison to OR:9...

I certainly didn't mean that, and if that's the impression I
gave, I apologize. As Oscar Wilde said, "A gentleman is simply a
man who never gives offense... inadvertantly."

>Words count.  It was the words that did in Measure 9, not the intent.

Arguable. A number of heterosexist conservatives (like WF
Buckley) came out against OR-9, because it mandated that the
state advocate a moral position; they felt this was overly
intrusive. I think the main thing is that OR-9 overreached
itself.
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay	    "Until there was rock, you only had God."
					--Ziggy Stardust

#include <disclaimer.h>
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Clueing in Friends (Re: Coming out to parents)
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:14:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Nov7.181432.28254
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1d7407INN2d3@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>
ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma) writes:

>A very close personal friend said that she too, wished I had
>told her earlier, it would have saved her some heartache.  I
>had no idea that she felt this way about me; I had relied
>heavily on our friendship for support and yet didn't
>recognize what it was doing to her.

An important straight friend of mine told me, when I finally
got around to coming out to him, that he had known the scoop
for a long time, and that my never mentioning it to him made
him feel bad, as though I didn't trust him or want to let
him into this important aspect of my person.  It cleared up
a lot of things for both of us to finally get that out in
the open and start dealing with it.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
<>  <>  <> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <>  <>  <>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:52:11 GMT

In article <1drjnnINNm7g@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>
>No.  I do believe that it's OK for people in acting 
>school to be forced to retrain their voices and bodies,
>and that if they refuse or are incapable of doing 
>that to the satisfaction of the school, then they've
>failed.  
>
>Arne
>
>


Oh, yes!  Any of them Faggots who can't be retrained to be closet
cases and act like strayt white min will just have to be THROW OUT!

Halleluyah!  

Ry
ry@usl.com
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: FORWARDED POSTING
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:43:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov13.034354.28262
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

I'm going to puke...

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: misek@solbourne.com (Steve Misek)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: PLEASE! no colorado boycott...
Date: 6 Nov 1992 20:30:26 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin-gw.solbourne.com


 ::  
 :: >
 :: >Would someone arguing the anti-boycott case care to explain just why
 :: >"business as usual" should prevail in CO without relying on the
 :: >basically irrelevant fact that a successful boycott could hurt
 :: >everyone in the state.
 :: 
 :: 
 :: Well Bob,
 :: 
 :: I'll try.
 :: 
 :: 	[...]
 :: 
 :: 
 :: -maureen
 :: 

And, I'll try as well.
I fully concur with Maureen.  My first "knee-jerk" reaction was "BOYCOTT!".
But, after the various candle-light vigils, discussions with various state
politicians, very very supportive coworkers, family, friends, neighbors, and
the like; you need to be here to realize how positive the general mood is.
The general feeling is:  There is a problem (CFV and #2), people are rushing
to help defeat that problem: straights, gays, politico's and friends from
out of state.

You, being far removed from this activity, may feel that you give us tremendous
support by boycotting Colorado based companies; and I thank you for being there
for us and wanting to help;  however at this time in the fight boycotts will
be detrimental to the fight.

My discussions with EPOC today (please, nobody tell my boss that I've spent
the past three days on the phone helping to organize various things around
the county...)  lead me to encourage you **NOT** to begin boycotting at this
time.  EPOC is putting together a very strong coalition of companies in the
state to help get the financial muscle necessary to defeat #2 in the courts.
Hurting the companies that are helping EPOC will hurt me.

If you wish to get involved, look back through the news articles.  Earlier
today I posted a long article with various organizations you can donate to.
Please write and call our state governor.  Please write and call **YOUR**
representatives and tell them that its **TIME!** to support gay rights measures
nationally.  Support the Lambda Legal Defense Fund.

There will always be time to boycott.  From the messages that I'm currently
getting from various organizations in the city and state, now is not the time.
We have tremendous support from our local representatives, mayors, and
governor.  If we lose that, the fight will indeed be lost.

steve
misek@solbourne.com
misek@parcplace.com

#ifdef	SOME_HUMOUR
	And, if you all decide not to come out to Colorado to partake in
	some of this incredible ski season, how am I **EVER** going to find
	someone to settle down with?
#endif

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jim Hubbs)
Subject: Re: Nevada was: (Re: Colorado)
Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:32:29 GMT

I'd like to think this doesn't speak for the whole state, but
two weeks ago as I was driving from Lake Tahoe to Reno I saw
the following bumper sticker on a pickup truck with Nevada tags
in Carson City:

Burn Fags, not Flags

It certainly raised a lot of anger and some fear within me.  I was
torn between ramming the guy with the Avis rental car and just getting
the hell out of town safely.  He was off in another direction before
I could really figure out what I was feeling.  It left a rather bad
impression about Carson City for me.

Jim Hubbs
Johns Hopkins University APL
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Letter
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:29:02 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <mattm-061192093156@mcmelmon.apple.com>,
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> In article <thaaang.721024568@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John
> Dorrance) wrote:
> [several clever comments, but no examples... How drab.  And not 
> particularly courageous.  Your 'business letters' must be truly 
> dazzling sights to behold, if only we could behold one.
> ...
>    Dear Sirs or Madames:  Please cancel my subscription.]

"[Horses were put into carriages for the sole purpose of
being taken out.  Empty barouches and landaus were trundled
up and down the High Street incessantly.  Addresses were
read from the Bull.  Replies were made from the Stag.  The
town was illuminated.  Gold caskets were securely sealed in
glass cases.  Coins were well and duly laid under stones.
Hospitals were founded.  Rat and Sparrow clubs were
inaugurated.  Turkish women by the dozen were burnt in
effigy in the market-place, together with scores of peasant
boys with the label `I am a base Pretender', lolling from
their mouths.  The Queen's cream-coloured ponies were soon
seen trotting up the avenue with a command to Orlando to
dine and sleep at the Castle, that very same night.  Her
table, as on a previous occasion, was snowed under with
invitations from the Countess of R., Lady Q., Lady
Palmerston, the Marchioness of P., Mrs W. E. Gladstone and
others, beseeching the pleasure of her company, reminding
her of ancient alliances between their family and her own,
etc.] - all of which is properly enclosed in square
brackets, as above, for the good reason that a parenthesis
it was without any importance in Orlando's life.  She
skipped it, to get on with the text."
	-- Virginia Woolf, _Orlando_.

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*tick* n. crib-biting: a whimsy" -- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
From: mdcolby@OCTAVO
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Teledildonics
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:34:56 GMT
Reply-To: mdcolby@OCTAVO

The "X" at the end of the ISBN for "Susie Bright's Sexual Reality"
actually doesn't mean a thing.  It's a check digit, which might be
a number 0-9 or the letter X.  It has no significance.

Yes, it is delightful that the LC class for homosexuality is "HQ,"
but did you even notice that LC classes the bible under "BS"?

As Lily Tomlin might say: reflect on that.

Michael Colby, "professional" librarian
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pink dollar, red circle slash...
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:26:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov5.152638.19717
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Nov5.142734.24841@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.101922.16183@lclark.edu>  
>snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>} Here is what I would like to see.  When entering into a 
>} business I would like for the owners to place a sign on the 
>} door which depicts a Pink Dollar Bill.  This would mean that 
>} this owner is happy to service the GBLO community!
>
>Okay.  What if L.L. Bean has a chain of stores and we NEVER  
>found out where there money was going?  As long as they would  
>have that little Pink Dollar Bill, they would still be taking  
>our money.
>
>To put it simply, I spread my money around to different shops.   
>If anything ugly comes out about them, I wouldn't feel as bad as  
>plunking my money down into one ...
>
>Donald


Actually, it would be more of a request to the homophobes to put
up or shut up.  I hope we get a list going here in Oregon.  I know
that it would take time but maybe if No on 9 has any money left
 they could go through the contribution lists to the OCA and
we can get our own boycott list going.

I perfer to go to a GLBO doctor, hairstylist, dentist, grocery store
and so on.  I only have so much money and I don't want it going
to the other side.

It can get complicated, but we need to know who our friends are and
who our enemies are.  So  for the most part the "pink dollar bill" would
be sort of a welcome sign.  It would be an outing of sorts for 
gay positive stores.  

Bil
Xref: sparky soc.motss:47385 alt.politics.homosexuality:7160 co.politics:1934
From: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:13:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov13.161350.9381
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

From the keyboard of gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand):
:  Because I'm against legislating a particular morality, 

Amendment 2 *did* legislate a particular morality.  Can't you see that?

--tom
Newsgroups: soc.motss