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From: dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert)
Subject: Any way around the "holding" of swap space?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:19:13 GMT
Organization: ISCA

I'm wondering if there is any way around HP-UX's "holding" of swap space for
shared text images.  If I have a program which has, say 250K of text in the
processes' address space, this is shared over multiple occurrances of the
same executable, this I understand.  What I *don't* understand is why each
occurrance of the program reserves that 250K in swap, even though there is
only one image really in memory to swap anyway (and with enough occurrances
of this text, you wouldn't WANT it swapped anyway!)

Is there no way around this?  Maybe setting the sticky bit has an effect on
this?  Or do we just wait for HP-UX 9.0 (or is this not even fixed in that?!)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: heeres@uars_mag.jhuapl.edu (Ken Heeres)
Subject: terminal emulation within ftp
Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:49:22 GMT

When I use ftp from one of my hp workstations(9000/730, HP-UX 8.07) and make
a mistake on my ftp commands I am unable to backspace to correct the command.
Outside of ftp the backspace works correctly.  Has anyone else noticed this?
Has anyone solved it?

ken
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From: krenz@pql840.bwi.wec.com (Randy Krenz)
Subject: Re: /usr/mail/glenr.lock not creatable after 10 tries
Originator: krenz@pql840.bwi.wec.com
Keywords: mail glenr lock sendmail
Organization: Westinghouse Electronic Systems Group, Baltimore, MD
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:07:08 GMT


>> I'm using the ftpmail server at decwrl.  When I request large files it usually
  .
  .
>> 
>> So.....is it a problem with NFS mounting /usr/mail?  Or is sendmail tripping
>> over itself because of the volume of mail coming to me all at once?

I use decwrl ftpmail server all the time from my HP800 and I have the same
problem. There is no NFS involved over here so I think its the volume of
mail being sent to one user simultaneously. I've played with HP's sendmail
quite a bit and I am unaware of a way to size up this retry of 10 so I guess
it must be a hard-coded retry counter. Unless someone fixes this, the only
alternative would be to use another sendmail. IDA sendmail is supposed to
be good but I haven't looked at it personally.

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From: smoot@gumby.cs.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen R Smoot)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Prpoblems with mail --- any ideas?
Followup-To: comp.sys.hp
Date: 10 Sep 1992 16:45:23 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gumby.cs.berkeley.edu

I can receive mail fine on my HP 700 (8.0.5)
But sending:
(mail foo@bar < prepared-mssg)
post: problem initializing server; [BHST] premature end-of-file on pipe
/tmp/sendmha13688

(Similarly, for mh:)
post: problem initializing server; [BHST] premature end-of-file on pipe
send: message not delivered to anyone

any ideas?
-s
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.unix.admin
From: alan@ernest.dseg.ti.com (Alan Edmonds)
Subject: Re: Enormous core dumps
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc. - Plano, Tx
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:15:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.122518.28298@aut.abb.se> alindbac@aut.abb.se (Anders Lindbck) writes:
>
>Once I had a core dump of over 70M ! The disc was full to 100%.

I core dump vxgdb and got a core file over 450 megabytes.  Thank god
it was sparse.  It was a good way to explain sparse files to people
who hadn't seen them before.....



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From: lampi@polari.online.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Disk Array & 2GB HP-UX limit
Summary: This is a bogus limit IMHO
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:53:22 GMT
Organization: R Squared, Redmond, WA (206) 883-3116

In article <BuBwMI.MFC@cup.hp.com> markd@cup.hp.com (Mark_Donohoe) writes:
>Raj PUBALA (klitd@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com) wrote:
>: Looking at the HP Disk Arrays data sheet, I see that with four disk drives
>: in the array, we offer 5.4 GB of storage. 
>: 
>: I also read about the LVM (Logical Volume Manager) in HP-UX 9.0, which 
>: says the size of a LV is still limited to 2GB which is the HP-UX
>: system limitation.
>: 
>: Can anybody tell me whether HP Disk Arrays management can overcome this
>: 2GB HP-UX system limitation?
>: 
>: If not, is there any suggestion on how to handle a file system ( which
>: has no sub-directory ) which will grow beyond 2GB?
>: 
>
>Yes, I have configured the LVM to be a 3.9Gig file system on HP-UX
>9.0.  BTW, 4gig is the bigest that HP-UX can support at this time,
>(you actually end up with a little less than 4 gig because of LVM and
>other over head.)  It will take 64 bit pointers to address more in the
>file system.
>
Why would it take 64 bit pointers to address >4GB file systems? After all,
we're not necessarily talking about >4GB *files* (which would require
such pointers), we're talking about >4GB *volumes*. It's really a stupid
limitation that should have nothing to do with the 32 bit limit of
pointers. After all, we're not talking about a pointer based from the
beginning of the logical volume when we address the contents of a given file.

Or are we? :-)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: ewu@agsm.ucla.edu (Eric Wu)
Subject: /etc/disktab entry for Seagate WREN 8 (ST41650N)
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:10:47 PDT

Does anyone have an /etc/disktab entry for a Seagate WREN 8 (ST41650N)
1.3 GB SCSI disk drive on an HP9000/730?

Thank you.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: frodek@forit.forut.no (Frode Kileng)
Subject:  Wanted: audio(7) man page
Keywords: man page for audio device on HP710 wanted.
Organization: Norwegian Telecom, Research Dep., Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:39:36 GMT
Reply-To: frode.kileng@tf.tele.no

Does anyone have a man page for the audio-device on a HP710 (or
a good description of the device) ?

The "Using the Audio Application Program Interface" stuff and
the "/usr/include/sys/audio" file isn`t good enough.


Regards

Frode Kileng
From: stuart@TIVOLI.COM (Stuart Jarriel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: xdr_array()  possible problem?
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:34:00 GMT
Organization: Tivoli Systems, Inc


We have an application that uses xdr_array() a LOT! and passes in a NULL
struct so that xdr_array() will allocate the storage.  Well, in some 
cases we are finding that we SEGV when we free the storage that xdr_array()
allocated.  

Now it is entirely possible that our application (still early in debug) is
stepping on the stack somehow, but I have source to xdr_array() that works
just fine (if I replace the one from HPUX).  

So my question is:?  Does HPUX do ANY storage tricks inside xdr_array() 
WRT to allocating storage (if *array == NULL).  Tricks here would include
anything OTHER than allocating (# of elements * element_size) from BSS.
I only see the problem when I ask for # of elements = 1 or 2.  So I was
hoping that with a small enough # the HPUX might be (in bad form) giving 
me static storage instead of alloc'ing the space.

Just hoping....
stuart
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: marcve@philce.ce.philips.nl (Marc van Endert)
Subject: HP-UX and PCNFS-Lifeline
Summary: PCNFS lifeline working with HP server
Keywords: Lifeline POPD
Organization: Philips Consumer Electronics, Eindhoven
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:39:21 GMT

Hello world,

I'm trying to get LIfeline from sun up and running with a HP-UX (9000/730) machine as
server.
Included in the sun package are the sources for the POP deamon.
But, they do not compile on a HP machine (locking mechanism via flock() ). Does
anybody have a pop deamon running (via a port on those sources or  a public domain
popd)

Please answer by mail to marcve@philce.ce.philips.nl 

Kind regards, Marc Van Endert 
 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: bsaunders@hns.com (Barrie Saunders)
Subject: TELNET - Transporting DISPLAY using the TERM variable.
Keywords: TELNET TERM DISPLAY
Organization: Hughes Network Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa,uk
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:26:33 GMT

Hello Folks,

I have been devising a scheme whereby values of certain desirable environment
variables are stored in the TERM variable in order that a user can telnet to
another system and then restore these values automatically (for a little
less hassle).  I discovered this scheme in the July 1992 UNIX WORLD.

It works fine except in this one instance.  If one telnets from a workstation
which does not have a name in a nameserver (it only has an IP address for setting up the DISPLAY variable), TELNET doesn't export my prepacked TERM variable.  Instead, it changes TERM to the value "unknown".  

My question is: "why does it do this and can I stop it"

This problem doesn't happen with RLOGIN.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: hagan@ee.ualberta.ca (Daniel Hagan)
Subject: Installing libg++2.2
Reply-To: hagan@ee.ualberta.ca (Daniel Hagan)
Organization: University of Alberta Electrical Engineering
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:55:11 GMT


I am trying to install libg++2.2 on an HP730 machine. I am able te get as far as the make check when make aborts due to undefined _vt.filebuf. The version of HP-UX I am running is 8.05. Can the experts out there in netland help me as to what chnages I need to make in order to get succesful installation. I have tried all the suggestions posted in gnu.libg++.bug and other newsgroups but none of them helped. Email responses would be preferred but I don't mind reading this newsgroup to get the responses.
	Thanks,
			Daniel (hagan@bode.ee.ulaberta.ca ) 129.128.16.96 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: Enrique Navarro Sanchis <navarro@pereiii.uji.es>
Subject: /usr/prese... corrected.Sorry
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:43:24 GMT
Organization: uji.es

Hello:
			I'm working with HP-UX 8.07.
			There is a directory /usr/preserve.
			Inside it there is a lot of files named Exaaa<five-digits>.
			These files (in some cases) are very large.

			Someone can say me something about these files ?
			What about them ?

			Can you help me,please ?
			Thanks...


Enrique Navarro Sanchis		E-mail: navarro@pereiii.uji.es
SYS ADM						Tel: 964 - 345881
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: jeanpaul@duteca.et.tudelft.nl (J.P.M. van der Jagt)
Subject: Disk Cache is *disabled* in HPUX clusters. How to enable?
Originator: jeanpaul@dutecad.et.tudelft.nl
Keywords: Disk,Cache,Clusters
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:55:32 GMT

Hi All,

Today we discovered that the disk cache in the kernel of HPUX on a cluster
of 9000/700 series and on a cluster of 9000/400 series does *NOT* function.
We had noticed very bad disk I/O performance after we installed the cluster
but never paid any attention the the possible cause of that.

However when we compared a cluster of four 9000/710s running 8.07, configured
as one server and three diskless clients, with a standalone 9000/710 also
running 8.07, using Glance, it showed that the standalone machine used its
disk cache while reading a large file (2M) subsequently and that any machine
- even the server - in the cluster did NOT use its disk cache (if it had
one to begin with...) while reading a large file (2M) subsequently.

Glance reported in the standalone case the first time the file was read,
2M read logical and 2M read fysical and subsequently reading the file, 2M
read logical and zero read fysical.
In the cluster configuration however Glance reported the first time the file
was read, 2M read logical and 2M read fysical and subsequently EVERY time
the file was read 2M logical and 2M fysical.

So every command as simple as "ls" has to be read from the disk every time
it is executed!

A disk without a disk cache is not a very good idea. Neither is a diskless
machine without a local cache to store blocks which are read via ethernet.

Is this a HPUX feature???
Can a disk cache be enabled on HPUX in a cluster environment?
And what does the kernel do with the many Mbytes of memory allocated for
itself if it doesn't use that as disk cache?

Comments anyone?
John-Paul.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steven Dorner)
Subject: Re: RFC-822 toolkit or sources to *decent* reader
Followup-To: comp.sys.hp
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:02:28 GMT

Philippe-Andre Prindeville wrote:
> 	I was wondering why (rather than reinvent the wheel) all
> these mail-reader writers don't just come up with an RFC-822 toolkit
> that is "correct" and build skeletal interfaces around them?

Rough count shows my MUA has 32000 lines of code.  Perhaps 500 of those are
vaguley related to RFC 822 parsing and RFC 821 transport.  Toss in another
500 for POP3, and you come up with about 3% of my code having anything at
all to do with Internet standards.  And that's really a pretty generous
estimate; 1% is probably closer to the truth.

Of course, X and Motif are so simple to use that you won't have that
problem (chuckle).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: n049ge@tamuts.tamu.edu (George Lengel)
Subject: Backup through SAM on DAT
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:45:30 GMT

	I hope this is not a common question but I have not seen the
answer here lately. We have a 425t running 8.00. We recently purchased
an HP35470A DDS drive from Falcon. I got the drive and computer talking
just fine. The problem arose when I tried to backup using SAM. The backup
seems to go okay but then I choose the recover option and after it chugs
for a bit (the DAT access light is coming on) it comes back with a
message

	Frecover: not an fbackup volume cannot find volume header

Also if I try to write again to it with another fbackup it says tape has
been used x number of times before. x is the correct number.
	I am wondering if it is the minor number of the device file. They
have these guidelines of closing style and rewind or no rewind in the
sysadmin manual for backing up. I currently have it set at 0x0e0201 and
have tried 0x0e0203. Any help would be appreciated. 

_______________
George Lengel			n049ge@tamuts.tamu.edu
Texas A&M University		gal2901@summa.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mjo@snclib.snc.edu (Mike O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Another problem with elm (was: HP's elm loses messages)
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@snclib.snc.edu>
Organization: :noitazinagrO
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 07:55:46 GMT

In article <C0033013.92Sep9161945@rznb18.rz.tu-bs.de> c0033013@ws.rz.tu-bs.de (Axel Brandes) writes:

:  When you exit elm or change your mailbox, then elm comes up with:
:
:  link failed! EEXIST - File exists
:  Emergency Exit taken! All temp files intact.
:
:Your Mailbox is still unaffected.
:
:Any idea about this?

You haven't indicated whether this is an intermittent problem, or a 
frequent problem, or "It happens repeatedly, I can demonstrate". 
Off hand, I'd say to check the defined tmp directory in your elmrc,
but that's just a starting point, based on the error message you   
received. 


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: milburn@vision.postech.ac.kr (John Milburn)
Subject: Re: X Windows on 9000/710
Reply-To: milburn@vision.postech.ac.kr (John Milburn)
Organization: POSTECH, Pohang, Korea
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:22:23 GMT

In the referenced article jinx@zurich.ai.mit.edu writes:

>|   >[FREE HINT to HP:  You are really annoying your customers and developing
>|   >	a horrid reputation with customers for not including ALL of the
>|   >	freely distributable X11 libraries, headers, and build utilities
>|   >	-- like Imake.  I tell everyone I see about my experience with HP. ]
>|
>|   Amen to this!
>
>As long as all that stuff is available on the net, why should I care?
>In fact, I don't try to rebuild the latest X everytime someone sneezes
>on the sources.

The main point, IMHO, is that there is a large base of freely
distributable applications "out there" which work fine on hpux
machines, but which, because of the lack of certain key utilities, are
painful to build on a virgin hpux system. Those of us who really want
this stuff now have to go out and get the MIT sources and build them on
our systems to create the proper environment for building such
applications.

This is more difficult than it needs to be. HP could provide most of
the missing parts of the MIT distribution with little pain. The main
problem from hp's point of view seems to be the fear that customers
will start to ask for support services on such software. This
justification ranges from the silly (lack of imake) to legitimate
concerns (lack of Xmu).

One must wonder why the missing part cannot be supplied as unsupported
contrib software, much in the manner of the Interviews package, which
is provided, but not supported, on the C++ tape.

The support provided now by corvalis via anonymous ftp service is a
step in the right direction, and an indication that some people in that
division recognize the problem, but still not a real solution to the
problem.

-jem

John Milburn - Pohang Accelerator Laboratory
Pohang Institute of Science and Technology (POSTECH)
Pohang, Korea
milburn@vision.postech.ac.kr
From: boba@a4430ux.esr.hp.com (Bob Arias)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:24:37 GMT
Subject: Re: net.views -- which vendor is the most open?
Organization: CONRAD, HP Valley Forge
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

ANY computer hardware/operating system/application package is "open" to some
lesser or greater extent.  This is simply because computers are highly
flexible tools for doing things.  Otherwise, a computer would just be a
hardwired collection of switches and relays.

The question is, which vendor's/consortium's offering are most open in terms
of

- adding hardware from other vendors
- adding software from other vendors
- networking to other vendors
- amenable to changes in the operating system, configuration, man-machine
interface, network configuration, etc.
- commonality with products from other vendors.

Bob Arias
Hewlett-Packard, Valley Forge PA, but speaking for myself

"All systems are open, but some are more open than others." 
                   - with apologies to George Orwell

From: kevins@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Kevin Swift)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:10:13 GMT
Subject: Re: How man MB/GB am I backing up?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

  We had a problem that a backup of a 420MB disk would not fit on a 1.3GB
tape! It turned out that we had a file which had a length of many MB's
but was only using a few blocks. The backup was backing up all the
zero's in the middle of the file that were not actually on the disk.
From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: X Windows on 9000/710
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:43:02 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC


>>  It seems that our newly arrived HP workstations aren't quite completely
>>  ready for X programming.  I'm not completely sure what we're missing, but
>>  it appears like many, many header files.  Common problem?  What's the 
>>  fix?

In article <17780235@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> chan@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Chan Benson) writes:
>Yow! Yes, it's common, and the fix is to... (never mind).
>
>You need to get the developer's bundle that includes the "real" C
>compiler and X header files and archive libraries.

Nice try.  I've installed all of the developer's tapes and the system
was still missing LOTS of X11 pieces and parts.  The real solution for
HPUX 8.0x and X11R4 is:
	get X11R4 libraries and headers from HP in Corvallis Oregon via
		anonymous ftp
	get Imake and friends from Liverpool, England via anonymous ftp.

[FREE HINT to HP:  You are really annoying your customers and developing
	a horrid reputation with customers for not including ALL of the
	freely distributable X11 libraries, headers, and build utilities
	-- like Imake.  I tell everyone I see about my experience with HP. ]
From: mitch@rock.csd.sgi.com (Tom Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HPUX Device Driver
Date: 5 Sep 92 04:51:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Sep01.202444.3973@Schultz.ON.CA> peter@Schultz.ON.CA (Peter Roeser) writes:

>I am writing a kernal level device driver that interfaces to some
>hardware that does not support interrupts for the HP9000 series 700
>EISA bus.  It is necessary that a watchdog timer on the hardware be
>kicked at least once every second

>We currently have the timer reset every one-half second, so that 
>seems like a long time for the driver to be scheduled to run.

>4.  Any other ideas?

Two -- wild ones.

The one-half second reset is most likely syncronous with the
one second timer.  Can it be that these tend to interact in
a way that you do not expect.  Sort of like counting fence
posts one foot apart on a 20 foot fence.

Try kicking the timer three or four times in a second.  I am
not sure how the timer your are setting is implemented.
Your two times per second also sounds like a sampling
problem.  Should interupts be disabled at the wrong time a
periodic system clock would pass you by.  Half a second
later and the 1 second timer is passed at the same time your
1/2 second counter comes by again.

If the clocks had no relation to each other one might guess
that there are almost always two ticks within a single
second.  If they are not there is only one -- if it is
possible to miss it -- you will.


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