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From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Braking techniques 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:03:04 GMT


In article <C0EMz2.3E4@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> dlyon@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Darren Lyon) writes:
>tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>
>>...Unless, of course, he has a jet engine strapped onto the luggage rack
>>and the thrust vector is aimed directly opposite to the direction of
>>travel. ;-)
>
>Who needs the tyres to stop when there are other cars to do it *grin*
>I hope we aren't heading for another tyre convo concerning widths, compond
>etc.

Who cares about compounds? As long as the tires are tied to the sides of
the vehicle around the entire circumference, you can always stop the
vehicle bumper-car fashion. ;-) ;-)

From: tonya@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Tony Arnerich)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:34:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Isuzu to stop selling in the US?
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

> While visiting home over the holidays, the dealership where my father works
> got a memo from GM stating that after '93, Isuzu will stop selling cars in
> American.  This means that after this model year, there will be no more Geo
> Storm.  It will supposedly be replaced by something else in '96, but it will
> be a different car.  However, I have heard nothing in the news anywhere that
> mentions this.  (I also heard nothing about a non-disclosure, so I decided to
> post.)  I never saw the actual memo, so I don't know for sure exactly what it
> said.  Anyone else know anything about this?

Isuzu is going to stop selling *cars* in the US. Sport-Utilities will still come
in (Trooper & Rodeo). I don't know about pickups.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton)
Subject: Re: ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS WITH 1992 ACCORD EX-R
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:36:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.183908.27485@sx.mont.nec.com> ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.034937.22215@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jmh@Turing.ORG (Jeffrey M. Hoffmeister) writes:
>>In article <C01yL3.EMt@ecf.toronto.edu> yanr@ecf.toronto.edu (YAN RAYMOND TZE-HENG) writes:
>>>Hello netters,
>>>    As a response to a posted article, I frequently have the experience of
>>>getting shocked almost every time when I get out of my car. Personally I
>>>believe that it's a problem with the electrical system. I have my car checked
>>>up in a dealer but the explanation I got was normal 'static charge'. 
>>>    Anyone also have this problem and in particular, have it solved, please
>>
>>This seems to be a common problem with the new Accords, although I own a '92
>>Accord EX (the US equivalent of the EX-R) and have never experienced this.
>>
>>I'm open to any suggestions anyone has (JUST IN CASE).
>
>I think it's most likely caused by rubbing against the cloth seats in 
>the car. My MX-3 has partially solved the problem by including a button
>with the word "touch" on it. You are supposed to touch this to drain
>the static electric build-up before getting out of the car.
>
>Seems to be pretty good.

This must be it -- my Passat is prone to zapping me as I touch the door when
getting out of the car. It puzzled me at first, as this has never happened to
me in any of my other vehicles with cloth seats, but now I just touch something
to remove the charge.

-- Brent
morton@artifis.gaul.csd.uwo.ca
From: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu (Terry Quinn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: LH: Should I or Shouldn't I?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 07:34:03 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Tom Mathes writes . . . 
 
> Several Americans gripe that American car companies don't produce the
> cars they want.  The American company then produces a car that's right on
> target (like the LH), then the same people say "well, it's not proven".
> These folks never think an American car company can produce world class
> product.  Seems that the term "America basher" is appropriate for 
> this type of person.
 
 
HERE, HERE, Tom!!  
 
It is about time that close-minded, unpatriotic, _EXCLUSIVELY_ 
import car owners were called what they are!   
 
 
(Boy, is this going to start a flame war . . . now we'll start 
hearing all the horror stories about the last American car they 
bought (a 1970's Plymouth Volare).

--
                                    Terry Quinn
                                     Germantown Hills, IL
                                      tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
from Compuserve . . .                  >INTERNET: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou)
Subject: Re: LH test-drive results (by a buyer)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:14:05 GMT

rvkl60@email.sps.mot.com (Tom Mathes) writes:
:  Engineering and design was also done in the US.  Assembly is the lowest-
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:tech part of building most products, cars included, and the lowest value added.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 Not always. Boeing contracted out a lot of MAJOR components but reserve the
 final assembly to itself, I am talking 747 and alike.


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: eu507dac@pts.mot.com (DOUG CHRISTENSEN X3915 P6818)
Subject: Re: Any opinions about an 88 4x4 Chev Suburban
Reply-To: eu507dac@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:46:18 GMT

In article 16749@b11.b11.ingr.com, doug@justdoit.ingr.com (Doug Harbord) writes:
>I looking at buying 1988 4x4 Suburban with 70k miles on it. I would like to hear from
>those of you who have had problems or good experinces with this truck!
>
>Thanks
>
>--
>Doug Harbord 	Intergraph Corporation
>M.S. CR1102	Systems Product Marketing - Graphics Technology
>(205)730-6166	b11!justdoit!doug
>internet 	doug@justdoit.b11.ingr.com

I own an 84 2wd.  I won't be much help in the drive train area.  Check for rust
in the rear side doors (drain holes should be clear), top rear quarter (around
the rear A/C in the roof), door rockers, rear bottom quarters and especially
check the frame to chassis mounts.  BTW, body parts are cheap and available.

70,000 should be mid milage for a 350.  If the owner towed, expect a trans rebuild
soon.  Optional good stuff... towing package (radiator, oil cooler, spring upgrade),
overdrive, extra back seat, 3/4 ton package and rear A/C.  Bread truck doors are
convinient (sp?).  Big block parts are expensive.

If you need a shop manual, you can order from Helm Inc (this is were the dealer
gets them) at 1-800-782-4356.  You will need a credit card.  I just ordered one
for $36.00 w/ shipping.

BTW, I recently heard that the Suburban is becoming a "profile" vehicle as is now
popular with auto thieves and immigrant smugglers.

Happy towing,
---
Doug Christensen    SCCA SSB Scirocco 16V
doug_christensen@pts.mot.com
     _____
   _/_|__|\__
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    is just waiting."  Steve McQueen, Le Mans.

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: epc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Merlin)
Subject: Experiences w/ Carmen Gia wanted
Reply-To: epc1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:31:21 GMT

People say that cars like the Miata or a Triumph TR6 are beautiful.
Personally, I think V's Carmen Gia is one of the best looking cars out there.
If anyone has experiences w/ it, I sure would like to hear about them.

Could someone also tell me a brief history of the Carmen Gia, such
 as its populrity and reliability?

Thanks.
From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Saturn SL2: the REAL test drive..
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:21:52 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
>In <105948@bu.edu> heiser@acs.bu.edu (William Heiser) writes:

Gee Bob, here you are again. How's it going?

>>oriented cars like the Probe don't do much better than that, maybe 115 or
>>120 or soemthing -- but how often can you realy drive that fast anyway? :-)

>Actually, I've heard claims of 130 for the Probe. Never having enough
>room on the Beltway, mine has never been over 95, so I can't vouch for
>the 130 figure. However, at 80 it is only turning 3000 RPM and it does
>not redline until 6000 RPM. I imagine there is no way that I could get
>it any where near redline in top gear (160), so the 130 number seems
>reasonable. Wish there was a stretch of road I could try it on.

BOb, Bob, Bob [shaking head]. You know that here in Va/Md they are very
nit-picky about those speed limits (selectively, that is) and that 3
+20 speeding tickets (Reckless Driving, although it appears that +20
tickets may not be quite as severe) in 3 years can be construed as a 
habitual offender and lose your liscense for ten (10, that's right) 
years? (BTW, I beat that ticket I told you about in court:) Any way,
there are some nice strectches on this here Beltway when, during non-rush
hours it is possible to probably go as fast as your car will go. Only
problem is you need to establish whether the local revenue enhancers
have stepped up their collections at those hours. Another thing, it's
not flat in any of those areas, so you might be able to red-line it.
:) Mine has a published top-end of 147, the speedo goes to 150, but
the red-line limit (@7500) should be somewhere around 175-180.

When did you get a sporty car like the Probe anyway?

Ron (Owns a Turbo Alltrac Celica that he wouldn't recommend to anyone
    due to costs incurred, but it does drive well)

PS - No, I've never been close to the max yet. Need better tires/new
rims and a looooonnnnggg stretch of empty straight road first, or the
Autobahn, where 150 isn't too unusual, and legal.:)
From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Add-on rear seat headrests?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 03:34:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

Does anybody know how to obtain and retrofit headrests?
We're considering a Jeep Grand Cherokee, but it doesn't
come with headrests for the rear seat.  Can they be added
without undue difficulty?  The dealer knows nothing...

Also, are SUVs included in the NHSTB crash tests?  I've
never seen any scores for them.  The Grand Cherokee has
its gas tank behind the rear wheels, which looks like
Pinto City in a rear-ender, particularly in combination
with a typical low-slung passenger car.

Thanks in advance.

Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.wanted,ny.wanted,nj.wanted
From: dml7@navahonavaho.cc.bellcore.com (lee,danny)
Subject: *** IS THERE A FORD MAILING LIST? (TAURUS) ***
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:14:53 GMT

is there a mailing list for discussion of ford vehicles, especially the
ford taurus?  i would appreciate someone letting me know.  thanks in
advance.  you can e-mail me at dml7@cc.bellcore.com.  or simply post.
thanks again.

dan
From: LKEYS@BUPULA.BU.EDU (clementine)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Help, please. New-used dilemma.
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:05:32 GMT
Organization: BOSTON UNIVERSITY, Pulmonary Center
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

First the facts:

#1	I know absolutely nothing about cars.  The only way I can identify any
	auto is if it has its name clearly labeled in an obvious place.

#2	I'm living in Boston and driving a road yacht - a 1982 Olds Regency.  
	The beast is in very good condition.  It runs extremely well and starts 
	on the coldest mornings without any problem.  Although I might hesitate
	to take the car on a cross country trip I would not hesitate to take
	it half-way across the country. And have done so recently.

#3	I can't park it anywhere and it sucks fuel.

#4	Re-read fact #1.



So, I want to sell the Olds beast and buy a smaller, more fuel efficient car
for the city.  

The notion of "shopping around" scares the wits out of me.  Any used car dealer
would mark me as easy prey.  I'd like to come up with a short list of reliable
choices with reputations of getting 100K+ miles before I leave the comfort of
my home and approach a car lot.  (I also plan to have the car inspected by a
mechanic before signing any checks.)

Any suggestions, thoughts, recommendations would be more than appreciated.  
(Two trusted mechanics have told me to look for a Subaru or a Datsun.)

A few questions:
Should I buy from a used car lot or a dealership?  Should I buy a Subaru
exclusively from a Subaru dealer or does it matter?

What should I do with the road yacht?  Will anyone take it in trade on a used
car?  It has 104K miles on it, but it will probably run longer than I will.

Any advice on dealing with salespeople?  Somehow I feel that saying, "Shut up
and leave me alone right now or I will leave this lot immediately" is not the
thing to do.

Is there a "Consumer Report" equivalent on used cars?  I don't mind doing some
research, but where to start?

THANKS A TON.  (please E-mail advice)	
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: eu507dac@pts.mot.com (DOUG CHRISTENSEN X3915 P6818)
Subject: Re: CRX Si revs - Help!
Reply-To: eu507dac@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:21:23 GMT

In article 26968@socrates.umd.edu, jimbo@socrates.umd.edu (Jim Bogard) writes:
>
>Well, my '86 CRX Si was wrecked (Rear ended! Not my fault!) and 
>I thought I'd kick in some extra $ and get a newer one.
>Can anybody tell me what changes were introduced to the Si
>since '86?  I know '88 started the new body style and bigger 
>engine, but that's about it...
>
>Thanks a lot.
>
>J-.
>
>-- 
>Jim Bogard  (jimbo@socrates.umd.edu)
>                                            "Implement now, tweak later."
>Tech at large / gigging daemon
>
New items from previous years:  (Please help me on this...)

88 - New body, front coil springs, change in rear suspension ??, 1.6L 16 valve
     w/ only one cam.

89 - I think the dash changed (more rounded), added insets to front spoiler

90 - Rear disc brakes, change rear suspension again (adds toe under compression),
     heavier doors for stupid seat belts, minor changes to tail and marker lights.

91 - ??

92 - Last year ??  RIP CRX

BTW, if you are going to part out the car, let me know.  I want to build a 86 or
87 CRX for SCCA F production.  I'm interested if you are in the S.East USA.   
---
Doug Christensen    SCCA SSB Scirocco 16V
doug_christensen@pts.mot.com
     _____
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  | _ |61| _ \
 <-(_)----(_)-^       "When I'm racing, I'm alive.  Everthing else
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why is US engine technology so retrograde?
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:25:42 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1993Jan11.152204.20839@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>expenses and a few catalytic converters the car gets to be street
>legal.  Fine. Examine the power vs rpm vs DRIVEABILITY of the car
>and you'll see what I mean. The requirements are different, PERIOD.
>
   Drive a modern Ferrari.  The engines are VERY driveable...almost
   boring (hey, I said ALMOST) in their lack of fussiness.

   But if a Ferrari engine were mass-produced with accurate enough
   tolerances, it would be a heck of a lot cheaper.

   How about Porsches?  These aren't really hand-labored...and the
   dealers complain because there isn't much demand for pricey
   rebuilds.  Most outlast the bodywork.

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Subject: Re: Taurus #1 in US
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 22:45:49 GMT


In article <1ih991INNhf@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes:
!According to last year's sales figures, Taurus edged out the Accord as 
!the US's top-selling car model, and Ford wasted no time in giving itself
!bouquets.  Honda, which had enjoyed the spot for the last 3 or so years,
!sour-grapedly replied that Ford sells lots of Tauri to fleets, and Honda
!does not, thereby accounting for the higher figures.  On the other hand,
!could not Ford just say that in fact they had held the position all along,
!if you include Taurus clone Sable?  But probably not, brand twinning is
!a sacred cow.
!
!	Dave

I heard on the news that Ford spent alot of money on incentives and rebates
just to move the Tauruses.  They also sell heavily into the rental car
business as well as city government.  Hmmmm... If it wasn't for the "fleet"
deals, would they have edged out Honda, which does not sell fleet? Remember,
the Taurus only _edge_ into #1, while honda is a very close #2.  The differenc
is very small, but it does mean alot to the American auto industry (and of
course bragging rights).

Gary

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From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:50:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Isuzu to stop selling in the US?
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.autos

In rec.autos, gw18@prism.gatech.EDU (Greg Williams) writes:

|
| While visiting home over the holidays, the dealership where my father works
| got a memo from GM stating that after '93, Isuzu will stop selling cars in
| American.  This means that after this model year, there will be no more Geo
| Storm.  It will supposedly be replaced by something else in '96, but it will
| be a different car.  However, I have heard nothing in the news anywhere that
| mentions this.  (I also heard nothing about a non-disclosure, so I decided to
| post.)  I never saw the actual memo, so I don't know for sure exactly what it
| said.  Anyone else know anything about this?

I heard over the BBC a slightly different variation.  Isuzu will concentrate
on the truck market and will have a joint venture with Mazda to put Isuzu
engines into Mazda bodies. 

GM and Ford cooperate?  Well, their Japanese buddies look like doing it.

Lawrence
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why is US engine technology so retrograde?
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:30:51 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1993Jan12.164011.17293@csi.uottawa.ca> kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist)) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.093339.4524@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>>In article <184857@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>>
>>now if you wanted to talk about biggest engine in a passenger sedan,
>>mercedes would win with its 6 liter V-12.
>
>What about the Rolls-Royce/Bentley 6.7L V-8?
>
   Watch your trimming.  I DIDN'T write any of that stuff.

   Mercedes has a 6.9 liter V-8.   



Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: asbestos@nwu.edu (Michael A. Atkinson)
Subject: Help with '81 Olds Omega
Followup-To: rec.autos
Originator: mikea@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Chaos
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:04:52 GMT


Hiya, I hope this is the right place for this (new to rec.autos):

I have a 1981 Oldsmobile Omega, with V6, power windows, driver's seat,
locks, etc., about 94K miles on it.  It has a nearly new battery, a new
muffler, recent tune-up, in reasonably good mechanical condition.

There seems to be a wire or connector that is slightly loose.  The car
starts every time (after $1000 of work, it better!), runs well, but
occaisionally everything electrical cuts out, including all lights and all
the power stuff, but not the starter and not the engine.  In the failure
condition, it will still start, and still run.  It tends to fail when
decelerating and when kicked in the front bumper at a stand-still.  It
tends to come back to life when accelerated, or kicked in the rear bumper
at a stand-still.

I am capable of most simple work with tools, have a toolbox with most of
the essentials, *BUT I DON'T HAVE THE F#@$ING WIRING DIAGRAM*, and I
haven't been able to find the connector with a couple-hours worth of work
under the hood and under the dash.

If someone knows where all the accessories come together electrically,
please let me know (post or email).  Also, if someone can tell me where to
find the wiring diagram for the beast, that'd be great.  It's not in the
Chilton's Guide, and neither are the troubleshooting checklists any help.

If I omitted any important info, do let me know as well.

ADVthanksANCE,

Mike Atkinson
-- 
Michael A. Atkinson    | "Macintoy" is Copyright (c)1992 by 
asbestos@nwu.edu       |                 Chaos Organization.
                         
            A Libertarian and an NRA member.
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Isuzu to stop selling in the US?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 12:54:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com

In article 79047@hydra.gatech.EDU, gw18@prism.gatech.EDU (Greg Williams) writes:
>
>While visiting home over the holidays, the dealership where my father works
>got a memo from GM stating that after '93, Isuzu will stop selling cars in
>American.  This means that after this model year, there will be no more Geo
>Storm.  It will supposedly be replaced by something else in '96, but it will
>be a different car.  However, I have heard nothing in the news anywhere that
>mentions this.  (I also heard nothing about a non-disclosure, so I decided to
>post.)  I never saw the actual memo, so I don't know for sure exactly what it
>said.  Anyone else know anything about this?
>
>-- 
>Greg Williams
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gw18
>Internet: gw18@prism.gatech.edu



Isuzu has been denying for the past year that it will discontinue US car sales,
while industry analysts have been disagreeing.  It looks like that denial will
go the way of GM's denial that Stempl will get the boot.

	Dave
Newsgroups: rec.autos