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From: bv426@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven A. Kendrick)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: Name changing
Date: 20 Nov 1992 18:31:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Distribution: world
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Originator: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu

I've had the same thing happen to me, too!
 
Since aimee tweedie, my wife, signs up for a lot of things
(mail lists, etc.) that we subsequently receive as addressed
to mr. and ms. tweedie.
  
Aimee didn't change her name because she suddenly became my
property once we got married; must these groups assume that
she's a domineerign feminist and I'm the henpecked "piece of
property?"  ;)
 
Incidentially, the only organizations that don't consistently
do that are lesbian/gay/bi ones, but perhaps that's because
they think we are "housemates".   *sigh*
 
 - steve kendrick, who is against mandatory sexism, heterosexism
                    and all other straightjackets, semantic or
                     otherwise....


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From: stewart@geophysics.harvard.edu (Cheryl Stewart)
Subject: Re: recent discussion of rape
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Reply-To: stewart@geophysics.harvard.edu
Organization: Dept. of Earth & Planetary Sciences, Harvard University
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:58:51 GMT

>Such situations often occur with married men who persuade themselves
>and the victim that he is falling in love and that he will likely
>leave his wife for the victim. Ofcourse this can happen in reverse
>gender situations, but it is more likely to occur with men as the
>perpetrators.

Well any woman who knowingly sleeps with a married man isn't
going to get any sympathy from me whatever, but men have been
known to lie about their marital status.  I wonder if they know
how dangerous this practice is.




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From: mgflax@phoenix.princeton.edu (Marshall G. Flax)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: recent discussion of rape
Date: 18 Nov 1992 03:31:54 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
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In article <1dpiqcINNoqh@agate.berkeley.edu> arosen@oregon.uoregon.edu (Ava Rosenblum) writes:
>I would like to expand the discussion of rape to include emotional rape. These
>are situations in which one person is lied to so that she WANTS to go to bed
>with the man.

I'm uncomfortable using the word "rape" in this context -- it muddies
the water too much, and people will lose the point that *consent* should
be a precise standard.

>Such situations often occur with married men who persuade
>themselves and the victim that he is falling in love and that he will likely
>leave his wife for the victim. Ofcourse this can happen in reverse gender
>situations, but it is more likely to occur with men as the perpetrators.

I'm interested why you believe this.

>Any time a lie is utilized to cause someone who would otherwise say 'no' to say
>'yes', I believe this constitutes emotional rape, for it often emanates from a
>sexist world view that divorces sex from the energy of the heart.

Not everything that emanates from sexism is rape.  I believe the
situations you describe are better characterized as emotional fraud than
emotional rape.

marshall
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From: goid@zooid.guild.ORG (Will Steeves)
Subject: Re: Violence Against Women Act
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:46:32 GMT

One of the many positive effects of the women's movement, was our
recognition that we should be more careful to note instances of gender
bias.  However...

Please do not consider this as a flame, but as an indication that
"gender bias" does not exclusively pertain to women...


csulaima@titan.ucc.umass.EDU (CYNTHIA R SULAIMAN) writes...

CRS> As part of the Education Bill in June 1992, four provisions were
CRS> inacted to help women in this country.
                ^^^^^^^^^^
CRS> 1.  Promoting arrest of abusive spouses.
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You have stated that the Bill is intended to "help women" by promoting
arrest of "abusive spouses".  Since you did not originally state that
the Bill was intended to help *any* abused spouse, but only "women,"
it appears as though you have a clear bias that only men can be
abusive spouses.  Naturally, I take a certain amount of umbrage at
this suggestion.

CRS> 2.  Tripling the funding for battered women's shelters.
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
...again

CRS> B.  Creates federal penalties for spouse abusers who follow the women
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
CRS> across state lines to continue the abuse.

"Spouse abusers who follow the women".  Since you have basically
assumed away the idea of "spouse abusers who follow the men," you may
as well have just said "abusive husbands who follow the women," which
would of course reveal beyond a shadow of a doubt that many of those
who talk of "spousal abuse" are only thinking of women as "legitimate
victims".

CRS> Indentifies sex crimes as "Bias" or "Hate" Crimes

Why is a sex crime a hate crime?  This seems to be a rather high form of
equivocation...

CRS> Defines gender-motivated crimes as "bias" crimes that deprive women of
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
CRS> their civil rights.

And gender-motivated crimes *never* deprive *men*, I gather...


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Newsgroups: soc.college
From: jpw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason P. Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: well..
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:54:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jpw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason P. Wright)
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>In article <1ecmm1INN1h5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jpw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason P. Wright) writes:
>>
>>Tedd Frank is a weenie.
>>
>>
>>There is no two ways about it.
>
>You are, most certainly, a credit to your campus and the Greek system
>in general.  I assume you are Greek?  
>
>Now, now.  Go run along and iron your Greek-letter sweatshirts.
>I suggest a low heat setting, so you don't melt the letters.
>Have fun!
>
>cpk
>

You certainly are a witty guy.  I assure you if it is a battle of
euphemisms you want, this board will be filled up quickly with poignant
yet groundless opinions like your own in no time.

I am willing to provide an  unedited copy of a discussion carried out by
myself and Ted Frank which will clear up the positions of both sides of
this issue.  But Ted Frank has threatened to sue me if I do so.
Therefore I thought "a weenie" is an appropriate representation of what
he is acting like.  Perhaps calling him a spineless twit would have been
more appropriate.

jp

ps those of you who requested my end plus a paraphrased version of Ted
Frank can be expecting them sometime on Friday.
From: dbucher@ocf.berkeley.edu (Daniel Bucher)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: so sue me
Date: 19 Nov 1992 08:21:18 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu

In article <1efhr6INNffd@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jpw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason P. Wright) writes:
>
>So I will send *every* *unedited* personal response between me and Mr.
>Frank to show his mirepresentations of myself without malicious intent


OH For crying out loud DONT DO THIS BECAUSE NOBODY READING THIS 
NEWSGROUP REALLY GIVES A $%^$*(!!!!!!

or at least keep it in one subject heading so we can kill it!


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From: cholette@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Cholette Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: so sue me (Let's stop paying Mr. Frank so much attention)
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:59:34 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1992Nov20.140541.2442@gacvx2.gac.edu> censtad@perdita.gac.edu (Christopher B Enstad) writes:
>
>If I have to kill every single one of those messages you threaten to send  
>then I will be a very unhappy news reader.  Save us all a headache please.   
>And let's stop paying Mr. Frank so much attention.  He seems to love it to  
>much and all we do is feed his ego.  
>
>That's all folx.
>
>Chris

Quoting from the movie "Heartbreak Ridge" :  'Don't give the prick the
satisfaction'  Gunney Highway.

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Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: A discussion should be...
From: censtad@dion.gac.edu (Topher the Gustie)
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:10:17 -0600
Reply-To: censtad@nic.gac.edu   enstad@gacvx1.gac.edu    
Distribution: all


A discussion should be well backed by each side and each supporter of  
whatever topic is at hand.  I only wish that on a channel composed of  
college students (who always love a debate) that some people aren't  
holding up their end of it.
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Fraternal "Bashing"
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:00:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.185318.34@newton.hartwick.edu> buccim@newton.hartwick.edu writes:
>Attention on all net users, I am wondering what in God's name prompted this
>debate on Fraternalism.  Why all the Greek bashing?  I have a nagging suspicion
>that someone did not get a bid to pledge and thus decided to bash the Greek
>system, displacing his rejection.

Au contraire.  I intentionally chose an undergraduate that (ostensibly)
abolished fraternities, so I wouldn't have to deal with them.

Sorry if I'm not being "F.C." (fraternally correct) by pointing out all the
problems with fraternities.  But objective criticism backed by facts is not
"bashing."

You, on the other hand, seem to have the reverse problem, by assuming that
only "people who did not get a bid to pledge" would dare to criticize the
fraternity system.  (I guess that's a good way to rationalize why women
criticize the frats.)  I'm confused why it is that some frat folks feel quite
confident in generalizing about those who criticize frats.  Maybe it's
just that I've had friends raped by fraternities.  Maybe I'm just disgusted
by the sexism promoted by all-male fraternities.  Maybe I'm dismayed
by what fraternities did to my alma mater.  Maybe I'm Greek-American, and
don't like having my nationality slandered by being associated with
fraternities.  Maybe it's that, as a member of society, I *care* what
sorts of institutions end up shaping the leaders of the future.
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Newsgroups: soc.college
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: well..
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:59:15 GMT

In article <1ee3h9INNe9j@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jpw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason P. Wright) writes:
>I am willing to provide an  unedited copy of a discussion carried out by
>myself and Ted Frank which will clear up the positions of both sides of
>this issue.  But Ted Frank has threatened to sue me if I do so.

Because

(1) What I write back in response to insulting and harassing anti-Semitic
    mail is of no one's business, much less of any relevance to the
    discussion on fraternities, and

(2) Any e-mail I send has a copyright, and its distribution without my
    permission is illegal under Federal law.

>Therefore I thought "a weenie" is an appropriate representation of what
>he is acting like.  Perhaps calling him a spineless twit would have been
>more appropriate.

This was about the level of the twenty-eight or so e-mail messages I
received from Mr. Wright, twenty-five of which came after I asked him
to stop sending me e-mail.

>ps those of you who requested my end plus a paraphrased version of Ted
>Frank can be expecting them sometime on Friday.

Why don't you post this alleged "paraphrasing"?  Or are you afraid that
I'll refute your misrepresentations?  

Two of my friends are among those who've already sent out requests for
your paraphrasing.  I remind you that you and your university are
liable for any libelous remarks that you might make using your university
e-mail account. 
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Newsgroups: soc.college
From: morton@rtpnet06.rtp.dg.com (John R. Morton)
Subject: Re: SURVEY HELP PLEASE
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 17:04:31 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

PLEASE HELP, NEED MANY RESPONSES FROM

White Males 
Currently enrolled in ANY College or University

Q1. Are you from a rural area ( 2500 or less pop ) or a city ?

Q2. Do you believe women in the military should serve in combat
	 jobs ?


	 Yes / No is ok for Q2....

	 MUCH THANKS IN ADVANCE !!

	 John
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: re: so sue me
From: censtad@dion.gac.edu (Topher the Gustie)
Date: 22 Nov 92 14:50:05 -0600
Reply-To: censtad@nic.gac.edu   enstad@gacvx1.gac.edu    

In article <1ejvggINN2g8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>  writes:
> 
> Sorry I had created such a stir.  I am sending those messages through
> email to those who request it only.  I thought I made that clear but I
> guess I didnt.  I already have sent a couple out, so I suppose I am now
> a fugitive.
> 
Isn't it sad when you become a fugitive because of e-mail.  Mr. Frank has  
decided to notify my system administrator because I've asked him to give  
me the basis for his argument that e-mail is copyrighted.  It seems he  
doesn't respond to people who don't already agree that e-mail is  
copyrighted.  Hmmm.... well, that's a good way to gain people on your side  
Mr. Frank.
From: tgpt_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tom Guptill)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Need-blind admissions?
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:36:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


	How many of you attend schools that have (or claim to have)
need-blind admissions?  I ask this because I just applied to a school (The
University of New Hampshire) that claims to, but has a rather interesting
way of handling it.  I was told that I could be admitted, but only as a
"special student".  I would be allowed to take a full course load and could
go on the waiting list for on-campus housing.  The only real difference
between myself and any other undergrad would be that I would be ineleligible
for financial aid.  In effect, I would be admitted as long as I had the
financial resources to pay for my education.  This might not have bothered
me so much if they didn't claim that financial need did not affect
admission.  Has anyone else run into this?  Any comments?


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Newsgroups: soc.college
From: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Subject: Re: hazing
Originator: jagreath@c00055-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:48:14 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.083356.13766@umr.edu>, ckincy@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.150858.1@dhvx20.csudh.edu> chris@dhvx20.csudh.edu writes:
>>A real fraternity does not humiliate their potential members and make them
>>haze. What I mean by a real fraternity is one that stands for leadership, 
>>friendship, a sense of belonging and worthwhile human experiences, including
>>service to others. 

>Oh, you mean like making your pledges stand on the corner of 14th and
>Bishop wearing huge placards and chanting "Kappa Alpha Does Not Haze
>Its Pledges?"

>cpk
>No, really, they did.  Honest.

What did you do about this? did you file a complaint with the university or
Kappa Alpha's National Headquarters?  Or did you simply walk on by and ignore
the incident, chalking up for another stereotypical behaviour?

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Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: well..
From: censtad@perdita.gac.edu (Christopher B Enstad)
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:01:34 -0600

> Two of my friends are among those who've already sent out requests for
> your paraphrasing.  I remind you that you and your university are
> liable for any libelous remarks that you might make using your  
university
> e-mail account. 
> -- 
> ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
> standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
> the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

I'd like to see the law you quote so much which one is it that makes it  
illegal to copy and reprint public statements with the name of the person  
who made the comments included?  Is it the same one that keeps the  
newspapers from reprinting Presidential speeches?  Oh, I forgot, there  
isn't one.
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: djr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID JASON REUTER)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Re: Football Rivalries
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:41:09 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

The Lehigh-Lafayette rivalry has met 128 times.  The longest in the country.

Dave
From: chris@dhvx20.csudh.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: hazing
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:08:58 GMT
Organization: CSU, DOMINGUEZ HILLS

A real fraternity does not humiliate their potential members and make them
haze. What I mean by a real fraternity is one that stands for leadership, 
friendship, a sense of belonging and worthwhile human experiences, including
service to others. 
                                                     CHRIS
                                             SIGMA LAMBDA BETA FRAT.
                                             CSU DOMINGUEZ HILLS
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: itzenhui@cs.uwp.edu (Steve Itzenhuiser)
Subject: German Universities?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:18:17 GMT


I plan to be attending school in Germany for the 1993-94 school and would
to know what to expect, what not to expect, as well as other such vague
questions.  I will probably be attending Bonn or Freiburg.  Pretty much
I'd just like to talk with people in those areas to say hi and what-not.

Steve
From: v201lrxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NOWHERE MAN)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Question
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:47:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I think perhaps my question comes at a bad time, but I'm wondering
if any of you have info on the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity. I
ask that, to save bandwidth here, all replies be sent via e-mail. 
I also ask that replies such as 'S.A.E. sucks/rules/blows/is awesome.'
not be sent. Nor am I seeking pontification on the Greek system in 
general......just background information such as its history, its
membership, etc. Just the facts, dudes :)

Thanks,

mike
From: chris@dhvx20.csudh.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: How do I get to telnet at Col.
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:46:33 GMT
Organization: CSU, DOMINGUEZ HILLS

First you have to get into telnet. Then type cs.colorado.edu.
After your connected type netfind. Done.
From: sme3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT MATTHEW ESTRIN)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Football Rivalry
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:26:05 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov22.202107.28375@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, J.Theodore.Schuerzing
er@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
>Lehigh isn't the only school trying to break tradition -- Dartmouth's
>administration is, too.  Just one of the reasons so many students hate
>president Freedman.
>
Well, President Likens' wishes came true.  After the game (in which we lost by
one lousy field goal), absolutely nothing happened.  We all "exited the
stadium in an orderly fashion" as we were instructed.

I was kind of disappointed, actually.  My first Lehigh-Lafayette game and it
ends just like any other game.  Bo-ring.

                             - Scott

                             
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