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From: ssmith@xocolatl.com (Shannon Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: actor on STAR TREK
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:52:47 PST
Reply-To: ssmith@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:

-> Aren't there a gazillion star trek groups?  Wouldn't this discussion be more
-> approriatly taken there?  I'm sure a avid trekkie could answer this question
-> with little trouble.

Myself, I'm not looking for a trekkie's opinion--I'm looking for the
reality of the actor, not the fantasy of the character.

From the several British folk I've known from various points in the
Midlands and the North I'd have to reckon the kid was from the south.
But that's not what *I* found odd about his accent.  I found it
interesting that there was not a hint of French in it anywhere, and I
found it odd that the kid's accent didn't sound at all like the adult
Picard's (Patrick Stewart).

Could be that this should be taken to soc.culture.british.
From: ryanp@lclark.edu (Ryan Powell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: New Democratic Left Party info?
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:51:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov24.045123.5917
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

Hello all. . .does anyone out there have any information on the New Democratic
Left Party based in Dublin?  I may be doing some volunteer work with them
while staying in Dublin and would like to learn as much as possible about
their politics and goals before getting involved.  Any info is appreciated!

 
 Ryan

		rasta 1 "until such time. . ."
		rasta 2 "much time. . ."  
		jah
From: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Cymraeg! (was: Re: Cookbooks or Recipes?)
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:14:02 GMT
Organization: Threadgolds ThouroughGrip Garterettes
Originator: geraint@pierrot.comlab

David Librik <librik@cory.Berkeley.EDU> proposes massive social engineering 
to construct a fragmented Wales of linguistic ghettoes.  (I couldn't face 
quoting, especially as it might have involved the names of Robyn Lewis and 
Clive Betts.  Anyway, it gives me an opportunity to exaggerate for effect.)
This is probably impractical, and almost certainly unpleasant.

The trouble is that the (earlier) analogy with Quebec's sign rules is that the
parallel is more properly with the use of English than of Welsh.  It would 
seem to me to be unreasonable in the present state of things to try to force 
a Welsh-only policy on any part of Wales.  The present state of things, even
though there isn't much English-only legislation, is that we are obliged in
practice to put up with the use only of English.  (This will sound like
nit-picking, but there actually /is/ some English-only legislation:  recent
legislation on Charities specifically requires the use of English for certain
legal declarations;  I will take advice on the statutory declarations on
cigarette adverts, although I am happy to say that I don't recall ever seeing
a cigarette advert in Welsh.)

Many of us would (I hope) be happiest to see things the way they are in 
Switzerland, where you come to expect essays in several different languages 
even on the sides of milk cartons.  (This is presumably why they buy their milk
in litres in Switzerland, rather than pints.)

David's right, though, that getting things like signs right is not enough.  That
was why I called the early roadsigns campaign, and the Post Office campaign as
well, `totems'.  The same goes for the campaign that brought us the 1967 Status
Act (inadequate though it be) and the separation of S4C.  That doesn't mean    /
to say that we shouldn't get it right.  Even property legislation on its      /
own would not be `enough'.  Dyfal donc and all that.                         / g

___
'Rwy'n ofni'r distawrwydd sy'n dyfod,	       Ac eto ni allaf beidio
Distawrwydd didostur y se^r;		       A^ chredu'n fy nghalon ddofn
Fy mhobl na fynnwch ymwared,		       Fod yr hen fynyddoedd yn amau
'Rwy'n meithrin eich marw'n fy me^r.	       Ac yn loetran o gwmpas rhag ofn.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: riordanm@cs.tcd.ie (Mark Riordan)
Subject: Foreign Reporting of Irish Affairs
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:43:35 GMT

As people may be aware there will be a reforendum in 
Ireland next Wednesday on the vexed subject of abortion.
In one of three questions entitled the "Right to Life"
amendment, voters are being asked to accept or reject
the addition of some words to the Constitution. It seems
likely that this will be rejected by the people as 
those violently opposed to any liberalisation and those 
in favour of liberalisation both find it unacceptable.

OK this is quite a tricky subject and many ordinary 
people are confused - but surely the journalists of the 
worlds major news organisations should know better. Over 
this weekend the BBC has characterised the rejection of 
the wording as a rejection of an attempt to liberalise
abortion laws, SKY NEWS has said something similar both 
totally ignoring the two prongs of the NO vote. The only 
foreign news I saw which grasped this point was ABC 
(World News Sunday). So much for the British understanding
more about Ireland than the Americans I was about to say
but then they ruined this by showing Belfast as our 
capital on their caption map!!!!


MARK

PS As this is a complex matter there may be flaws in the
above piece. Without wishing to stifle debate please 
remember that I am an amateur commentator on these matters
unlike the journalists I am referring to.
-- 
--
| riordanm@cs.tcd.ie	Mark Riordan, MIPS Project		|
|			Computer Science Dept. Trinity College	|
| 			Dublin 2, Ireland			|
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Sean Doherty
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:38:14 GMT

ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
>On the subject of complete and utter gobshites, will Seani-n Doherty
>regain a seat in the Dail?  I heard he tried some of his usual monkey
>business to keep a TD off the ballot locally, but the meanies back at
>HQ scotched (flame shield up :-) that little effort.

Gods, I hope not.  If there is one Irish politician I despise more
than any other it is Sean Doherty.  And this despite stiff competition
in the despicability stakes.  Bad enough him being Cathaoirleach of
the Seanad, but a TD again, well I don't know if I can stomach it.
Unfortunately the main reason he was defeated last time was that there
was an independent Roscommon Hospital candidate, Tom Foxe, who was
elected.  I don't know if that's still an issue, and if not whether he
will stand again and be elected again.

Mind you in the last election he had fewer first preferences than his
fellow party member Terry Leyden and the two Fine Gael candidates John
Connor and Liam Naughton, if that gives any hope.  But they've changed
the constituencies now, haven't they?  Roscommon/Longford or some such
thing.

Dear me, the thought of Sean Doherty has reduced me to incoherence.
Almost enough for me not to notice that I am agreeing with Ulick for
only the second time ever in this newsgroup.

,
Eamonn
name no one man
From: donald@cs.hw.ac.uk (Donald Pattie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Battlefield band
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:05:11 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Nov17.151145.21063@news.clarkson.edu> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:
>From article <BxuHBo.G21@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, by esharp@sage.cc.purdue.edu (The Baker):
>>  While browsing through the foreign folk section at one of the local
>> music stores, I cam across a CD by the Battlefield Band.  Has anyone
>> heard of them?  What type of music could be called their speciality?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>>
>Great band. The play many instrumentals using "traditional" instruments
>and "the traditional highland synthisizer". They play both "traditional"
>pieces and their own music; my favorite is "The Dear Green Place", which
>is a song about Glasgow written by one of the band (Allan Reid maybe?).
>I strong recommend them. Also, does anyone know if the still have their
>annual "Highland Circus" concerts?
>

I saw them recently at the Queen's Hall, Edinburgh. I enjoyed the evening,
but would not heap unqualified praise on the band. Although it's the first
time I've seen them, they've been around a long time with differing lineups.
They presently have four members - Alan Reid (keybd), AN Other (the hairy one
with greater than average girth!), John McCosker (fiddle et al), Iain 
McDonald (pipes). The first two are founder (or long-standing) members,
the last two are recent recruits. In my opinion, the new members are very
accomplished, the other two weaker. I liked their instrumental stuff best
including some of their own compositions (eg 'the Appropriate Dipstick'
which is covered by others such as Wolfstone), while I found the songs
a bit lightweight - sort of Corries-like, but with weaker singing voices.

Mustn't sound too negative, though - we did buy the latest CD after the gig!


-- 
Donald Pattie, Dept of Computing & Elec Eng / JANET : donald@uk.ac.hw.cee
Heriot-Watt University, Riccarton,         / ARPA  : donald@cee.hw.ac.uk
EDINBURGH EH14 4AS   : Tel 031-451 3421   / UUCP  : ...!uknet!cs.hw.ac.uk!donald
From: mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Ar Log
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:29:25 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Reply-To: mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.82

Tom Brady writes:
>* Note to budding American DJ's: If you want to get service
>  from UK record companies, I say: "Don't hold your breath!"
>  The shipping costs are too high and the return on investment
>  too low for them to ship promos across the Big Puddle. Now,

I've always had pretty good luck dealing with Irish & UK firms by
mail; their service is often, typically even, better than American
firms'.  Of course I've never been trying to coax freebies out of
them, either.  On the other hand, UK Co's often bitch about exchange
rates, apparently some UK banks are sticking them with the same kind
of usurious rates our American banks apply to foreign exchange.
From: edch14@castle.ed.ac.uk (R V P Flood)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Mace Head Atmospheric Research Station, Galway
Keywords: Help,Galway
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:26:57 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Edinburgh University

Can anyone out there in Network-land help me find some information about
an institute called the Mace Head Atmospheric Research Station. It is
located in Galway (I think) and is affiliated with University College,
Galway. If anyone out there knows what type of work they do (ie. type of
equipment etc) could you e-mail me by Tuesday 24 of Nov.

Thanks in advance for any assistance,
  
   Rob.
From: kakleman@acpub.duke.edu (Kubilay Akleman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Cymraeg! (was: Re: Cookbooks or Recipes?)
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:45:05 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Yes, Gwynedd and Dyfed are unfortunately the only "Welsh-over-English" roadsign counties. Even in places like Machynlleth (Powys) and Corwen (Clwyd), the signs have English first, simply because they are English-over-Welsh counties.
And there are many places where I have noticed signs in English only - especially in Gwent and eastern Clwyd. Maybe the Welsh Office should be pressured a little more... This signpost business is so superficial; so long as commercial signs remain in English (even if the shopowners etc are Welsh-speakers) nothing will be accomplished.
Discussion topic: Quebec-like laws making it compulsory for ALL commercial signs to include Welsh - or even be in Welsh ONLY - that'd certainly bother the Saxon!
i wledydd Celtaidd rhydd!
Andrew 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.music.folk
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Mary Black tickets for sale - Reading, England
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:10:33 GMT


I have two tickets to go and see Mary Black at the Reading Hexagon on 
Mon 30th November. They were #9 each. The concert starts at 8pm I think.

If anyone would like them, could they mail me please

thanks
	Craig

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From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Picard's Accent.
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:21:09 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov19.173908.27691@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923058@pip.cc.brande
is.edu (Jessica Raine) writes:
>
>       Many thanks to the people who responded to my query about the accent
>used by the actor who played the adolescent Jean-Luc Picard. I liked his
>accent a whole lot--it sounded almost musical. And yeh, theoretically a
>young Picard might have been speaking French, but the vast amount of
>ST:TNG watchers would not have understood what he was saying. Besides, one
>might assume that by the time ST:TNG is supposed to take place, it is
>common for kids in France to speak fluent English.
>                                       Jess
>
This is true, in fact now many french are fluent speakers of english, however
the french accent is still there.  Look how long the various accents of
ENGLISH exists, one can tell a Marylander from a New Yorker.  HE SHOULD HAVE
AT LEAST HAD A FRENCH ACCENT.
-- 
MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN
758-0207
MLSA

"I really do appreciate the fact you're sitting here, you're voice sounds so
wonderful but your face don't look too clear so barmaid bring a pitcher,
another round of brew, why don't we get drunk and screw?"- J. Buffett
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: actor on STAR TREK
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:22:37 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Nov18.175952.25570@cypress.com> rbv@cypress.com writes:

   st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu) says:

	   In the episode in which Picard, Ro, Guinan and Keiko O'Brien are
	   turned into children, the adolescent Picard was played by an actor
	   who looked vaguely familiar. I think his name was David Tristan
	   Birkin, but I'm not sure. More to the point, the accent he spoke
	   with was supposed to have been an English accent, but it didn't
	   sound like the English accents you usually hear on American TV
	   shows. If I have the name of the actor right I might hazard a
	   guess that the accent was Welsh, but I've not heard enough Welsh
	   accents to be at all sure about this. Can someone who saw the
	   episode, shed some light on this query?  There are seven people
	   waiting for an answer.

   It certainly was not a Welsh accent.  It was unusual, but I would still
   identify it as English.

Surely an adolescent Picard should have been speaking French?
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: ryanp@lclark.edu (Ryan Powell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: folk songs request
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:27:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov24.012729.1299
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

Greetings!  I am in the process of compiling and learning (on the acoustic
guitar) as many Irish folk songs as possible before travelling overseas.
Do any of you have any suggestions, chords, personal favorites that you
might suggest I learn?  So far I have a learned a small collection of 
good Irish songs (Spancil Hill, Fields of Athenry, She Moved Thru the Fair,
Cockles and Mussels <of course, =+)>, and Black Velvet Band), but I'm
looking for more!  Thanks for the help!

ryan

p.s. keep a possible Dublin net/pub gathering in mind, if any of you are 
interested in getting together in Dublin at some point!  


		"and I woke in California many miles from Spancil Hill"

p.p.s.  I'm also looking for people who know Galway or live there because
I will be spending a month there living with a host family.  Where's the 
best pub to hang out at in Galway?  thanx
From: kakleman@acpub.duke.edu (Kubilay Akleman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Cymraeg! (was: Re: Cookbooks or Recipes?)
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:12:26 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Oh, yes, of course, full support for the property act: No di-Gymraeg people buying houses in the Welsh heartland. At all. And preference for Welsh speakers in Anglo-Wales.

Hwyl...
Andrew
From: watson@ccsf.caltech.edu (Stephen H. Watson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Edinburgh Folk Festival
Date: 23 Nov 1992 17:23:45 GMT
Organization: CCSF Caltech, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sampson.ccsf.caltech.edu

Can anyone tell me the dates of the 1993 Edinburgh Folk Festival?
I will be in Scotland from March 21-April 9 next year, and
I'd like to start making hotel reservations, and I want to
make sure to be in the right place at the right time.

Thanks!

Stephen H. Watson
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: actor on STAR TREK
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:21:46 GMT

	This is probably not the place to post this, but someone did ask
about Colm Meaney, and so far I've gotten no responses on any of the
rec.arts.startrek.* groups.
	In the episode in which Picard, Ro, Guinan and Keiko O'Brien are
turned into children, the adolescent Picard was played by an actor who looked
vaguely familiar. I think his name was David Tristan Birkin, but I'm not
sure. More to the point, the accent he spoke with was supposed to have been
an English accent, but it didn't sound like the English accents you usually
hear on American TV shows. If I have the name of the actor rightm I might
hazard a guess that the accent was Welsh, but I've not heard enough Welsh
accents to be at all sure about this. Can someone who saw the episode, shed
some light on this query? There are seven people waiting for an answer.
					Jess
"I need to see my father right now ! RIGHT NOW! [proceeds to throw temper
tantrum]"
		--adolescent Jean-Luc Picard, ST:TNG
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: actor on STAR TREK
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:31:53 GMT


In article <CC.92Nov19092237@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes...
>In article <1992Nov18.175952.25570@cypress.com> rbv@cypress.com writes:
> 
>   st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu) says:
> 
>	   In the episode in which Picard, Ro, Guinan and Keiko O'Brien are
>	   turned into children, the adolescent Picard was played by an actor
>	   who looked vaguely familiar. I think his name was David Tristan
>	   Birkin, but I'm not sure. More to the point, the accent he spoke
>	   with was supposed to have been an English accent, but it didn't
>	   sound like the English accents you usually hear on American TV
>	   shows. If I have the name of the actor right I might hazard a
>	   guess that the accent was Welsh, but I've not heard enough Welsh
>	   accents to be at all sure about this. Can someone who saw the
>	   episode, shed some light on this query?  There are seven people
>	   waiting for an answer.
> 
>   It certainly was not a Welsh accent.  It was unusual, but I would still
>   identify it as English.
> 
>Surely an adolescent Picard should have been speaking French?

No. There is one episode where Data refers to "An obscure Earth language
known as French". I think it was in the 4th series. Data is then reprimanded
by Picard who says "There was once a time when French was the leading
language on Earth" or something similar.  It's in the eposide where one
of the crew members is captured and Picard has to try to win her back.

So clearly French is no longer spoken.

	Craig

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: oconnell@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Kevin Patrick O'Connell)
Subject: Celtic Fiddle Festival
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 16 NOV 92 11:47:31    

Went to see Kevin Burke, Johnny Cunningham, and Christian LeMaitre 
last night at Music Hall here on the UW campus, sponsored by the local 
Celtic Music Association.  They were accompanied by guitarist John 
McGann, and played to a foot-stomping sold-out crowd.  Fabulous!!
If they come to where you are, be sure to turn out!!  Two hours seemed 
like ten minutes . . . 

Unfortunately, no beer was served (except to the musicians!)...

Kevin
From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Collies and Kilts
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:07:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski K-9's)) says:

>
>Well, I back again to pester you netters with a few more questions.
>First of all, does anyone know of someone in Scotland that breeds and
>trains collies?  I'm looking for a breeder/trainer of the old Scotch 
>Collie, not the Border collie.  (the Scotch collie is the "Lassie" type).
>I'm specifically looking for someone who still uses their collies for
>herding (although they are probably not the premere herding dog, I'm
>still looking for one.)  If I could have a name and address that would
>be great!
>
>Secondly, does anyone know what colours the kilts and tartans are
>for the Eliot clan?  I've recently had a short conversation
>with my grandma, and she said that there is/was and Elliot clan
>that came down from the Highlands.  Also, if you know that clan
>Symbol that would be great!  
>    
>    (PS  before you suggest I look for collies in the US, I
>    already have three for US stock, and they can't herd
>    well!  I want some new genes!!!)
>
>----------
>Marla Belzowski     saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
>Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
>Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TD{ CERF  tri-color collies
>Legend's Year of Jubilee    sable & white collie
>
>
>
Marla,

The only thing that is Scotch is whiskey.  Everything else is
either Scottish or Scot's. This is a great way to antagonize
a Scot.

Evelyn
--
From: david@ittpub.nl (David P. Morgan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Going to Ireland, need suggestions please
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:23:02 WET+0100
Organization: ITT Publitec R+D BV

> 
> 		Guinness on me tonight, lads!

That could be a very expensive proposition. BTW which pub will this be in ?