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From: danaf@aix.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:05:26 GMT

I've heard, from a reliable source (Amiga dealer, devotee, and beta tester) that
the new AA Amigas will be more reasonably priced than the A3000, offering far 
more bang-for-the-buck than ANY of their predecessors, including the A500 and 
A2000. If that's true, then we really may see the Amiga user base take off.

While I'm on the subject, I have just two positions on the new Amigas

(plus, I've got THE Dave Haynie as an audience... oooo 8)  )

- If the Video Toaster fits inside and works, it will sell. Commodore had better  keep in touch with NewTek.

- If these computers are really going to be state-of-the-art, the guys at CBM
   had better forget every mention of the evil word "compatibility". We have to
  stop being so spoiled in the Amiga community... every time PC users want to
  upgrade, they have to buy a whole new MOTHERBOARD! Will you have to buy a new
  computer to use the AA chipset? YES. Will it run your old software? About 5%
  if you're lucky.We're going to have to sart thinking along those lines.

Plus, one suggestion:

- Chip RAM sounded like a nice idea on paper. Let's set aside some RAM that's 
  used by the custom chips, while all other operations can use the rest of the 
  system RAM at much faster speeds. However, after 5 years as an Amiga owner, I
  can testify that CHIP RAM SUX. I'm not saying that Commodore has to entirely
  eliminate the concept, but how about giving us a little more flexibility? Put
  in a set of 49-cent DIP switches or a no-cost software control so that WE can
  set the amount of RAM used for CHIP, and the amount used for FAST. The A3000
  system, where you can put as much RAM in the CHIP bank as you need, is a step
  in the right direction, but it's a little klunky. Let's make this a little 
  less permanent this time 'round.

okay, two suggestions...

- Every AA Amiga, even the new A600, should come with a built-in hard drive. I
  don't care what the new standard is (IDE/SCSI/SCSI-II) but PLEASE don't try
  to make the OS fit on floppies. MS-DOS has not fit on floppied (well...) since  DOS 3.3!     (oops.. floppied=floppies)

Well, that's all I have to say... forgive the long pulpit-style ramblings, I wasraised on the hyperactive BBS scene of New York City.

I am...
 -Frank Dana.. known (718)-(212)-(516) over as Amiuser/Doc Ami!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: CDTV,CD-I has new competition from MS/Tandy..
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:13:24 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

This ploped into my mailbox this morning. Thought my fellow Amiga users would
find it intresting. I haven't even heard of this before now.

------
Tandy, MICROSOFT Rumored To Be on Brink of Multimedia Joint Venture

San Jose Mercury News, Calif. Knight-Ridder/Tribune Business News

Aug. 27--Industry insiders say two computer giants - Tandy Corp. and MICROSOFT
Corp. - are ready to announce a joint foray into the home multimedia market.

On Thursday the two are expected to unveil Gryphon, a VCR-size device that
will play optical CD-ROM disks on a television set. The Tandy-labeled device
will have MICROSOFT's Windows operating system inside, although it won't show
the interface to users. Instead, it will use an infrared remote control,
similar to that of a VCR. The $700 device reportedly will run most existing
CD-ROMs,

including educational and entertainment titles. Gryphon will be similar to the
$800 CDTV system brought out last year by Commodore International Ltd. CDTV has
met with little success so far, which analysts attribute to both price tag and
lack of software. But insiders say Tandy and MICROSOFT are willing to be
patient while more CD-ROM software is developed.  END!


Copyright (c) 1992 Knight-Ridder / Tribune Business News
Received via NewsEDGE from Desktop Data, Inc.: 08/27/92 00:37



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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: flamefest '92
Date: 29 Aug 92 04:54:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Aug29.045419.3071
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

In article <1992Aug28.153614.21744@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>
>Hey... (though I know we shouldn't be this mean to Jeff) should we
>let Jeff converse with Eliza, and try our best to figure out who's who?

   By jove, I think we just found something to replace the During Test! 
   1. Place Jeff Young on a computer terminal.
   2. Run Eliza on the computer.
   3. Have Jeff and Eliza talk to one another.
   4. Have a person in another room read the discussion, and see if they
      can determine which the human is.
   <Grin>
   I know, I know, wasted bandwidth. 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:52:51 GMT

kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
: At the beginning of each semester there's a new bunch of immature kids
: who think that personal insults are cool... it takes them a while to
: realize that the only cool flaming is being done to inanimate objects
: (ie: computers).

That is NOT true.  I still haven't realized that, and I've been here
for much longer.  ;-)

: So just wait a while... things will go back to calmer madness soon :-)

I've just been taking out my frustrations on Jeff, you'll have to
excuse me.  I'm sure he's a nice guy, but he annoys me to no end.

Greg

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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:33:57 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <65054@cup.portal.com> by thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan):
> In article <jbickers.0ebg@templar.actrix.gen.nz>

> |    Is your viewer available for ftp somewhere? Perhaps you could post
> |    a sample?

> Sample of what?  My first post in this thread included the first and last
> parts of a "faces" file to show the inherent usefulness (with the bio data

    Create an LHA archive of one or more complete data files and your
    display program's binary, uuencode it, and post it to this
    newsgroup.

> I'll check with Doug and once I get his OK, will send both my original
> dither test program and "faces" displayer and Doug's version to Fred Fish.

    Of course, posting to this newsgroup would be quicker...

> though I have a company account on netcom; hmm, anyone know if netcom permits
> anonymous ftp?

    Post! :) The binary is small, and this is just .advocacy... once
    posted, it will be put up to ftp sites around the place.

> Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com ]
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:49:59 GMT

What, pray tell, is a 'plasma bob'?

Thanks!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 06:12:23 GMT

Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar) writes:
: Oh, PLEASE!  Atari NewDesk GEM (2.0 and 3.0) makes the WorkBench look like
: a cheap cartoon...............(well, it is.)

Then you haven't seen 2.04.

Greg

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From: traynor@fnala.fnal.gov
Subject: High Density drive for the Amiga???
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:28:02 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnala.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Is Commodore going to introduce a high-density drive at the WOC show?  Anyone
know one way or the other?

					-Mike Traynor

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From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Black Apples
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:44:45 GMT
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <crystal.714977696@glia>, Crystal writes:

> (I even played on a black Apple at the local Community college as late as
> 1986!  It was an ordinary Apple...just the case was black....)

Weren't the Bell & Howell Apples black?  I don't remember for sure...


                                                Jim Pritchett


UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
 or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp
From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Fountain, CG Fonts
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:49:58 GMT
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Sun 23 Aug 92  2:07, Das9674@usl.edu (stephenson Daniel 
wrote:

>
>Well, I can't see much differences. Ever used Fountain to install a
>CG font ?

 DD> And what, may I ask, does CG stand for?

You DO have WB 2.04, don't you?

CG stands for CompuGraphic. It is the CompuGraphic Intellifont outline font
scheme that is used by AmigaDOS. Fountain is the program included with
WB2.04 that manages these fonts. You can install or remove outline fonts
from your system, and define prefab or pre-defined pointsizes for these
fonts for older applications that do not use the new font scheme yet.

New versions of Deluxe Paint, ProWrite, Excellence, etc. all can use the CG
fonts directly. You type in 47 points, and the new diskfont.library will
prerender that font in that point size for the application to use. The only
difference between this and Adobe Type Manager is that ATM renders the font
a letter at a time, as you use it. The Amiga's font rendering engine
pre-renders the entire font, so there is a bit of a lag when you select a
new point size. On the other hand, using the font is then lightning quick.

Older programs rely on a list of available point-sizes to present a list
from which you can choose. These older programs can still use the CG fonts,
but you have to use the Fountain program to pre-define various pointsizes.
These pre-defined point sizes can also be pre-rendered (in Fountain) for
instant access, or just left defined. Defined but non-rendered point sizes
do not take up very much disk space, so these are definitely the way to go
for larger point sizes. The CG fonts handled this way are TOTALLY
transparent to the older applications.

Commodore was able to pull off the introduction of outline fonts to the OS
in a very backward-compatible way. It was very well done.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: scottw@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Scott Weintraub)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:08:01 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

In article <1992Aug27.102521.8189@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.054653.28730@pdnfido.fidonet.org> bill@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Bill Lanides) writes:
>>In article <64630@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:
>>
>>>Rather than IFF pix, might I suggest "faces" format?
>>
>>Faces?? Has anyone here even HEARD of faces???
>
>Not me.
>
>>JPEG is by far the standard! It's as small as you can get, it's 24-bit, and
>>it's made for digitizing thousand color+ images like a human face.
>
>We can argue about anything in this group...
>
>How about gifs?  Surely everybody can get hold of a gif viewer.
>
>>>Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com ]
>>
>>                                            -bill lanides
>
>-- 
>Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
>  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths 

Figures we'd get hung up on something like this. :)

Here's my opinion:

Faces is an obscure file format that I've never heard of.  It would seem
very inefficient to offer an entire database of people's photographs in a
format that very few people have even heard of, let alone use.

GIF is a very general file format.  It's been around for a while and has  
become a standard on the MS-DOS platform.  They're still relitevely large
and really, IMO, not the "best" way to do things.

JPEG pictures are small and 24-bit.  I would want to view .advocacy pictures
in DCTV, others might want to use their Firecracker or Targa board.  Still,
another person might just want to see a HAM or 16-color hi-res picture because
they have no advanced display devices.  Another IBM user might want a nice
256-color GIF.  These can all be satisified through the JPEG file format and
viewers/converters can easily be found on a number of FTP sites, online
services, local BBSs, or through a variety of commercial products.

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From: ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: POLL : NEW MACHINE according to .advocacy
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:56:37 GMT
	<1992Sep3.164943.1097@msus1.msus.edu>
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280

>>>>> On 3 Sep 92 16:49:42 -0600, lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop) said:
lkoop> Well, if you in fact did know what was going on in terms of new
lkoop> hardware (legally) your NDA would prohibit your making such
lkoop> statements.

Please, the POLL asks for everyone's opinion based on what ever source
they have.  Please respect this as this what the original poster
provided. Developers are not necessarily on the fast track either. I
have heard conflicting information from some developers (granted I
have no way of checking if these people have legitimate access to
developer information).  

Please, remember the point is to see if our collective knowledge comes
close to what will be introduced if not release.  This poster could be
right, C= can show whatever it likes Friday, and if things in West
Chester have just blown up, C= might NOT show AA machines at WOC.

So please refrain from flaming answers to the POLL.  If you disagree
fine, post and be counted.

-- Andrew Hansford
   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu
From: Gleeep@cup.portal.com (Dave - Silon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: test
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 10:09:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

test.  I could not find my toothpaste and fred flinstone vitamins.

please - no samples by mail.

-Gleeep
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: asmodeus@tree.UUCP (Jon Ballard)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: The UNIX Tree Public Access *ix  (916)349-0385 Sacramento, CA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:08:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.064154.3811@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.180801.25667@ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>>> 
>> and other such "last resorts".  Do you actually think that VM was invented
>> for DOS?  Yes, accessing disk is slower than accessing RAM chips, but it's
>
>	The first VM implementation that I'm aware of is VMS on VAX. 
>	I have never researched the history of VM.  Perhaps you have.
>	Care to share?

Actually I believe the first implementation of VM was Virtual Storage or 
Auxilary Memory in MainFrames.  Virtual Storage not only was ment for I/O
to devices but also for main memory to be stored out to auxilary memory,
auxilary storage, or swap to some IO device like DASD.

My $.02
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Jonathan Ballard    UNIX TREE BBS     asmodeus@tree.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt)
Subject: Re: A4000 Rumors...
Organization: Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:34:42 GMT

>Oh no, not AAA rumours already!

Why not? AA doesn't stand up to SVGA.

matt.
From: cobra@coyote.datalog.com (Ken Thompson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:09:37 GMT
Organization: Datalog Consulting, Tucson, AZ

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>    In the October 1992 issue of AmigaWorld, the editorial by Doug Barney whic
> is a response to the article in the July 12th issue of the San Jose Mercury
> News which was basically an obituary for the Amiga.
> 
[ rest of tirade deleted...  :) ]
> ---
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> --------------------------------------------------

 
Why don't you send that tirade to ol' Doug & let him read it himself...  :)


Ken Thompson - cobra@coyote.datalog.com  - GEnie: K.THOMPSON23  
Alternate address: cobra@jab.tucson.az.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
From: sbiddle@aviate.welly.gen.nz (Steve Biddle)
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:45:29 +1200
 <1992Aug29.210801.13940@pdnfido.fidonet.org> <52689@dime.cs.umass.edu><1992Aug30.152045.25571@usl.edu>
Organization: Steves Amiga - Wellington, New Zealand.
X-Newsreader: Ann 0.9

In article <1992Aug30.152045.25571@usl.edu>,
	das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <52689@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>>
>>	Since this is an Amiga newsgroup, why not distribute files in an
>>acknowledged Amiga format?  I realize that some people who read this group
>>own other computers; but in an Amiga group, I think it's their burden to
>>find an IFF viewer, rather than an Amiga owners' to find a JPEG or GIF or
>>Faces viewer.
>
>Oh, well, if we do this, count me out.   The only Amiga I know of anywhere
>is at an Amiga/Clone dealer in town.  I don't know how cooperative they'd
>be.

But there are plenty of programs on both the PC, and Mac that support .IFF
as a format..

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine
Keywords: Attack the idea, not the person
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:19:01 GMT

10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG) writes:
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>This group is anything but serious and to take it as anything else
>>is just plain silly.
>
>I've been getting that impression.  I've only been using abUSENET for about 
>three weeks and the amount of flaming that goes on is amazing!

Jim, 99% of the flaming comes from people who've only been on a short time.

At the beginning of each semester there's a new bunch of immature kids
who think that personal insults are cool... it takes them a while to
realize that the only cool flaming is being done to inanimate objects
(ie: computers).

It also takes them a while to figure out that information about competing
computers is part of what .advocacy is all about.

So just wait a while... things will go back to calmer madness soon :-)

best - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: atari users, go home!
Date: 31 Aug 1992 18:28:13 GMT

darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:

>This is comp.sys.amiga.ADVOCACY, robert.  

EXACTLY!! Why do you have to shoot yourself in the foot with the next 
statement? You were *almost* ok up to here.

>A group created to discuss why the
>Amiga is a better choice than other computers.  

No, actually a group to chit-chat about anything that had to do with amiga,
not to hear mindless drivel from some stupid Atari enthusiasts that don't
have anything better to do. Like yourself perhaps?

>You appear to be saying that
>the Amiga is the best, but only if you don't compare it to other machines.

He doesn't appear to be saying anything except what's worded on his note.
You're putting words in that he didn't even mention. Basically, he's saying
"go away and leave us be. We don't care to listen about your "famous"
falcon anymore. We're tired of so much idiocy" I believe that's what he
meant to say.

>Further, these are newsgroups, not "nets."

Get a frigging life, will you?

>In addition, if you do not wish to see posts that mention the Atari or any
>other computer, you have the option to not read them.  They are clearly
>labeled.

Well, when one comes and see's a subject having over 80 articles and nobody
doing anything except answering to your stupid notes, one has reason to
get annoyed.

>And if you regard the "bashing" as lopsided against the Amiga, you really
>haven't been reading the messages at all.

No, I actually believe that YOU haven't been reading the messages, or
you're in collusion with them. Pick one.

>> If any Amiga users agree with what I have said and these users continue
>> with their Amiga bashing, then I invite you to post some information about
>> the 'AA' chipset, the new Amigas ect. in the Atari Usenet conferences.

>Atari users do not have or desire an .ADVOCACY group, so this would not be
>appropriate.  

If you don't want a f***ing advocacy group, WHY THE HELL DO YOU COME AND
POST HERE!!! SHEESH!! It's like saying "I don't shit on my lawn because
it's wrong" and you go shit on your neighbors lawn!!! HYPOCRIT!!

>Posting as you suggest in one of the Atari groups would only
>show that you lack the basic ettiquette required to participate in this
>forum.  Please grow up or ask your sysop to explain nettiquette to you.

NO!! YOU GROW UP, GET A LIFE, AND ASK YOURSELF "IS WHAT I SAID ACTUALLY
TRUE?", meditate a while on your thoughts.


-Gus
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