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From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: CANADA: Montreal Synagogues Painted With Swastikas
Keywords: Montreal
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:17:12 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <93Jan10.222347.22972@acs.ucalgary.ca> bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens) writes:

> Theodore A. Kaldis:

>>> "One possibility is that this series of incidents was perpetrated by
>>> neo-Nazi skinheads or members of the neo-Nazi movement," [...]

>> Or maybe Vichy Quebecois skinheads?

> Hi Ted, long time no see (again).  [...]

I've been here.

> do you realize how little ideological difference there is between
> friends of yours like Pat Buchanan, or Bill Bennett, and the Petain
> government in Nazi-occupied France during WWII?

In fact, I do not.  Please elaborate.

> Family, work, property rights, the Fatherland, xenophobism etc...
> Good same old story, really.

This is elaboration, huh?  I would say that your examination of the
topic is most superficial indeed.

> This said, I thought that your knee-jerk reaction to the original
> posting about nazi mob behavior was in rather poor taste, to say the
> least.

What "mob behavior"?  Did krystallnacht reoccur in Montreal without
hardly a notice?  Bah!  My understanding was that the defacement took
place under the cover of darkness and that the identity of the
malefactors remains unknown.  And moreover, it is also possible that
the graffiti was the work of bored juvenile delinquents as of the
other likely culprits mentioned above.  Or else, if Canada is a hotbed
of religious and cultural intolerance -- even given the strength of
the Quebecois movement in Quebec -- this has somehow escaped world
notice.

It's a joke, son (even if it might be in poor taste).

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,alt.conspiracy
From: harry@hershele.alf.dec.com (Harry Katz)
Subject: Re: ARF on NAAWP and Black Toys
Organization: DEC - Customer Support Center, Alpharetta, GA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:35:51 GMT

In article <Bz8Cp8.Ko@ddsw1.mcs.com>,
arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:


	I frequently get berated for suggesting that the NAAWP 
	(National Association for the Advancement of White People) 
	may be an idea whose time has come.

	The follow article appeared in a recent Chicago newspaper:

	.........

	                    BUY BLACK TOYS

	The Chesterfield Community Council recently announced its 
	fourth annual "Buy Black Toys from Black Toymakers Campaign" 
	for the christmas season.  This organization has compiled a 
	gift suggestion list of black toymakers......

	The article included a picture with a bunch of black people 
	"dispalying their favorite black manufactured gift"

	..........

	One can't help but wonder what a clamor the media would 
	produce over a similar article wherein was substituted the 
	white for black.

The Byzantine structure of Mr. Schmidling's sentences are but a pale
reflection of his tortuous thought processes.

Mainstream toy makers have overlooked the Black market for years,
assuming that Black children want mere carbon copies of what mainstream
American children want.  Some Black entrepreneurs stepped in to fill
the void and to make a buck.  In spite of all their promotions, they
won't sell if they have misjudged their market.  If they do sell they
will still not get the majority of Black dollars spent in Chicago this
holiday season.  Next week the mainstream toy makers will trot out
their own versions of Black toys.

Mr. Schmidling "can't help but wonder what a clamor" would arise if the
tables were turned, and why not!  Imagine how absurd it would be for
white toy makers to proclaim that the mainstream manufacturers are
ignoring the white market!

From Mr. Schmidling's insinuations one would think that they had called
for a boycott of white toys and toy makers.  In recent
memory, only Mr. Schmidling has ever called for any boycotts on this
net, the notorious boycott of all kosher food that was later modified
to a boycott of Coors!


	 I am not suggesting the present NAAWP is the pillar of 
	 integrity or a role model...

But he is hiding the fact that the founder of the NAAWP is an
ex-Klansman trying desparately to sanitize his image so that he can
pander to a better class of racist.  Only Mr. Schmidling has the moral
fiber to support an organization that lacks integrity and cannot serve
as a role model to anyone!


	 ...but to suggest that there is no place in our society for an
	 organization or even the idea of promoting and protecting the
	 interests of white folks is simply hypocracy and reverse
	 racism.

First of all, no one is "suggesting" anything.  We are stating quite
bluntly that there is no place in our society for racism.  Anyone who
claims that the NAAWP is in the business of "promoting and protecting
the interests of white folks" is at best guilty of hypocrisy, and at
worst guilty of racism.


Harry Katz

Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:67443 alt.activism:20523
From: L-Bueno@cup.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Communism is SO hideous that we must shudder with dread...
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:41:20 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1993Jan9.040753.3016@cis.ohio-state.edu>  <73269@cup.portal.com>
  <1993Jan11.133153.14973@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>

bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>In article <73269@cup.portal.com>, L-Bueno@cup.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno) writes:
>> csmith@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith) writes:
>
>>>My feeling is that the world SHOULD faint in shock at the word "Communist"
>>>since it is an ideology born of resentment and has violence as it's
>>>means of spreading. Thank God it's dying of its own contraditions!
>> 
>> 	You're right... those who were suffering under the yoke of
>> cruel labor and unfair wages, as well the countless minions who were
>> denied education and opportunity should have been content to remain that
>> way prior to the Russian Revolution. 
>
>	Not to defend the Czar here, but after Lenin's death, Stalin made
>things at least as bad as they were before for the Russian people with his
>forced collectivization and relaction of people, which resukllted in mass
>starvations. That's not even counting Stalin's Purges.

	By no means would I stand up for Stalin.  He used the guise of
Communism to explain aways his "necessary" inhumanity the same way Bush
used "the fight for democracy" to defend a oil-based fiefdom called Kuwait.
Indeed, I would *hardly* mouth Stalin's name as a prime example of a fair
Communist leader.  But if you wish to be this historical, let's see...
how many atrocities were committed against the indigenous folk of this
continent, as well as the unwilling African slaves, to preserve this
union we call the United States of America?  Can you see the parallel
irony here?

>	And whether or not things got "better" is questionable at best. I doubt
>that the common worker gained any real political power from the Russion
>revolution.

	Since you deleted a greater part of my text, then you either chose
to ignore or didn't understand that I was only speaking of the conditions
that brought about the Russian Revolution. I then went on to ask the
person I was responding to if he could suggest realistic alternatives for
the distraught Russians in that period, given the nature of their
conditions and the political climate.  But now that you've put the focus
on the common worker and gaining political power, could you suggest what
the Russian people during that time (with all the given parameters) could
have done otherwise?  I am open to discussion on this...

Regards,

--Louis
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china,soc.culture.china
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who Believes in One-Country Two-Systems?
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:24:02 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.china
Organization: Boston University

In article <1993Jan6.050450.13642@marlin.jcu.edu.au> phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng) writes:
>
>The Chinese government over-react on Patten's proposal.  It is not a bad
>idea to let Hong Kong carry the political reform first and then the
>Chinese goverment can get some first-hand knowledge about the Western
>democratic political system for improving the system in Mainland.   

The key problem is not the proposal itself, is the way the proposal
was presented, is whether British can do something which influence
post 1997, without consulting China.

It seems now a very good chance for HK pro-D friends to ask for more
democracy and guanrantee for "50 year no change" from the CG, if they
haven't jumped on British handwagon yet. If two governments confront
each other and HK people can get something, that will be a good end.
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: SIMA@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject:      sign-off
Reply-To: SIMA@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:52:16 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Please sign off my account from your list, thank you
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: "When China Wakes" by 'The Economist'
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:31:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.151341.9634@cs.brown.edu> ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen) writes:
>In article <C05DtJ.510@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>|> In article <1992Dec31.150304.16478@cs.brown.edu> ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen) writes:
>|> >In article <C03MI3.C1w@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin) writes:
>|> >|> In article <1992Dec31.000053.4966@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
>|> >|> >In article <C03H2I.8Dp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)  
>|> >|> >writes:
>|> >|> >> In article <1992Dec21.040701.7085@mariner.amc.edu.au>  
>|> >|> >lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Luo Wang) writes:
>|> >|> >> >In article <1992Dec10.224042.20113@cs.ucf.edu>, jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen  
>|> >|> >Jinxiong) writes:
>|> >|> >> >>
>|> >|> >> >>In article <1g6ik9INNphm@uwm.edu> jiqing@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jiqing Wang)  
>|> >|> >writes:
>|> >|> >> >>>
>|> >|> >> >>>Here are some interesting points from "When China Wakes", a survey of  
>|> >|> >china
>|> >|> >> >>>by <The Economist>, 11/28/92.
>|> >|> >> >>>
>|> >|> >> >>>1. China's economic performance in the past 14 years has brought about one  
>|> >|> >of
>|> >|> >> >>>   the biggest improvements in human welfare anywhere at anytime. Real GNP
>|> >|> >> >> ... 
>|> >|> >> >>>    kind become industrialized? The west cannot say it wasn't given plenty  
>|> >|> >of
>|> >|> >> >>>    warning. After advising it to let China sleep, Napoleon went on to add  
>|> >|> >that
>|> >|> >> >>>    "when China wakes it will shake the world."
>|> >|> >> >
>|> >|> >> >	WHEN?
>|> >|> >> 
>|> >|> >>    about 1949.
>|> >|> >> 
>|> >|> >
>|> >|> >About 1949, China turned from sleeping to nightmare until 1981.
>|> >|> >(Excuse me, you can't find this on People's Daily, which means what I said  
>|> >|> >might be a big lie.)
>|> >|>   
>|> >|>   It's definitely a lie. I can't find this on People's daily(which I
>|> >|> like a lot), but I can see it on Central Daily every day I think.
>|> >|>  
>|> >|> >
>|> >|> >Carl
>|> >|> 
>|> >
>|> >Yes, from 1966 to 1976, China shook the world with catastropy---culture
>|> >revolution. Any lunatic wants to glorify this dark age, go ahead. 
>|> Whose "catastropy"? Old colonists? yes.
>
>Gee! you must be insane. Let me refresh you memory with few phases of CG: 
>"The ten-year interior turmoil", "CR is a retraction of history". more ?
>Don't always resort to convenient excuse like "Old colonists" first. 
China gave material and spitual support to a lot aferica, asian colonies to
gain independence. The loundry list you gave, I have different
interpretation.
>
>


Newsgroups: talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Who Believes in One-Country Two-Systems?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:27:40 GMT

In article <C0ELMJ.KA6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> "Micky Wong" <micky_wong@vnet.ibm.com> writes:
>
>      by   Christopher Patten
>
>
>   I have been accused of damaging the relationship between Britain --
>Hong Kong -- and China.  But it is an accusation which does not gain
>in truth or substance simply because it is repeated every day in some
>sections of our press. The facts are very simple. My proposals are in
>line with both the Joint Declaration and the Basic Law. They would
>result in arrangements for the 1995 elections which are fair and open.
>And they do seem to command widespread support from the people of
>Hong Kong.
There are documents agreed upon by both British and  China, which explicitly
stated the time table and steps to take in direct election of 
LecGo member.  The documents were publizied by both governments.
>
>  I think it(is) clear beyond a reasonable doubt that given a choice the
>people of Hong Kong do want a greater say in deciding their own future.
>But it is also clear that a lack of trust in the good sense and sound
>judgement of the people of Hong Kong has led some of my critics to
>overreact to the modest proposals that have been put forward.
>
>   Chinese officials have demanded that I withdraw my proposals for the
>1995 elections. They are modest proposals, but if others disagree with
>them I hope they will suggest alternatives. My criteria are that the
>arrangements for 1995 should be fair, open and accep'able to the people
>of Hong Kong. It is a matter of both fact and principle that LegCo will
>decide what the arrangements should be:
>
>     - fact because legislation has to be enacted by LegCo; and
>     - principle because the British Government believes that LegCo has
>       the duty to decide whether I have correctly judged the point of
>       balance in the community.
>
>   I stand ready at any time to discuss these proposals with Chinese
>officials, without preconditions.  I will explain that China has nothing
>to fear from and everything to gain from a Hong Kong which respects the
>mainland's separate system while developing its own to suit its own
>conditions, in accordance with the Joint Declaration.  Indeed, the
>debate about the 1995 elections is a vital element in turning Deng Xiao
>Ping's concept of "one-country-two-systems" into a working reality.
>That is what Britain and China have pledged to do and that is what will
>determine the quality of our relationship.  We must work together to
>achieve our objectives for the benefit of Hong Kong now and for the
>future.
>
>   There is one simple question to ask at the end of this debate.  Who
>believes in one-country-two-systems?  I do;  but do the critics?
>
>Reply-To: Micky_Wong@vnet.ibm.com
>Organization: IBM Canada Laboratory
>Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
>X-X-From: Micky_Wong@vnet.ibm.com
>X-Spool-Tags: Micky_Wong@vnet.ibm.com
From: lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Luo Wang)
Subject: Re: "When China Wakes" by 'The Economist'
Organization: Australian Maritime College
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 05:26:53 GMT

In article <C0CwLs.F1I@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan4.170145.3413@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_nwu.edu  writes:
>>In article <C05DMx.4wM@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)  
>>writes:
>>> In article <1992Dec31.000053.4966@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
>>> >In article <C03H2I.8Dp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang  
>>Yuanxin)  
>>> >writes:
>>> >> In article <1992Dec21.040701.7085@mariner.amc.edu.au>  
>>> >> >>>    "when China wakes it will shake the world."
>>> >> >
Luo Wang asked:	WHEN?
>>> >> 
>>> >>    about 1949.

Ooh! If so, is it better for China to enjoy its sound sleep than to be waken
up? Then may I ask When China will be sleeping again?
-- 

Luo Wang                       |     "No one is a hero in his own nation." |
Phone: 61 03 260 841           |                                           |
       61 03 265 053           |      Sir General John Monash              |
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: zl@apollo.hp.com
Subject: Re: UN resolution of No Fly Zone and China
Originator: zl@pace
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:37:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, MA

I wrote:
>and US news media, here is my question, is there really
>such an UN resolution? If yes, what did China (and Rusia)
>vote? 

Here is another anwser I have got from a netter **.uwo.ca:

>No, the no-fly-zone is definitely not an UN resolution.  The
>CNN usually calls it "Allied no-fly-zone", rather than "UN
>no-fly-zone".  

>I read from an article on Globe&Mail (the national paper of
>Canada) that the reason U.S. didn't try to push the no-fly-zone
>through UN was exactly China.  They knew before the vote that
>China would veto such resolutions in the Security Council.
>China believed that such resolutions violate Iraq's sovernity (sp?).

>The same Globe&Mail article thus stated that the recent U.S.
>action in the Gulf was legally unjustified, according to 
>International Law.

I guess current chinese leaders still have bitter memory of 
U.S. Navy 6th Fleet effectly blocking PLA from Taiwan in 
1950 :-)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: carl_nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: "When China Wakes" by 'The Economist'
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:01:45 GMT

In article <C05DMx.4wM@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)  
writes:
> In article <1992Dec31.000053.4966@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
> >In article <C03H2I.8Dp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang  
Yuanxin)  
> >writes:
> >> In article <1992Dec21.040701.7085@mariner.amc.edu.au>  
> >> >>>    "when China wakes it will shake the world."
> >> >
> >> >	WHEN?
> >> 
> >>    about 1949.
> >> 
> >
> >About 1949, China turned from sleeping to nightmare until 1981.
>                                            ********* Chinese haters'
> nightmare.
> >(Excuse me, you can't find this on People's Daily, which means what I said  
> >might be a big lie.)
> >
> >Carl
> 

It's a Chinese haters' nightmare and Chinese lovers' sweetdream to see millions  
of people starved to death in early 1960s. 

It's a Chinese haters' nightmare and Chinese lovers' sweetdream to see  
thousands of innocent people got killed simply because they were landlords. 

It's a Chinese haters' nightmare and Chinese lovers' sweetdream to see millions  
of people's lives turned into misery during CR.

etc. etc. etc. ...

I guess you are a Chinese lover. Or maybe not, you just post these stuff  
because you once said you are old and going back. In this case, everything you  
did is understandable.

Carl
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Bo Xiong <xiong@BSU-CS.BSU.EDU>
Subject:      Forwarding: Call for Donation to a CSS Killed in Car Accident
Reply-To: U25096@uicvm.uic.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:59:16 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

--------------------------- Forwarding Begins -----------------------------
>From U25096@uicvm.uic.edu Fri Jan  8 04:57 CST 1993
>To: <xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu>

Would you help me to post this to CHINA-NT, SCC, and some
other Chinese related networks? Thanks a lot. Gao

  CALL FOR DONATION TO MS ZHANG - A CHINESE KILLED IN A ACCIDENT

  As you may all know, Ms. Jingjing Zhang, a 28 years old young
lady and wife of a UIC Chinese student, died on January 3rd after
two-day struggle with the crash injuries in a chain traffic
accident in which about 40 cars crashed near Chicago city on I-90,
the Kennedy Expressway. Ms. Zhang was the only one who died although
dozens of people were injured in this accident on that icy day. However,
this is not the only tragedy for the newly married young couple.
Her husband, Mr. Zikang Pan, 27, a graduate student of EECS Department
of the University of Illinois at Chicago, was also terribly injuried
in this accident and is still in critical condition. This young
couple have been in the United States for two years, and they do not
have any relatives here.

  This miserable accident has shocked us and the Chinese community in
great Chicago area. A lot of things need to be done for this
couple. We are asking you for help. Your contributions will be
used for her funeral service, for having their parents to come and
for sending her remaining back to China. Any amount of your
donation will be appreciated by Zhang's and Pan's family and the
UIC Chinese community.

Please make your check payable to:

PAN/ZHANG FUND

and addressed to:

Credit Union 1, UIC, (M/C 612)
AOB 1737 W. Polk, RM7
Chicago, IL 60612

Fund rising by:

THE CHINESE STUDENTS AND SCHOLARS FRIENDSHIP ASSO. AT UIC

--------------------------- Forwarding Ends -----------------------------

Forwarded by Bo Xiong in Chicago
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From: Ignatius Ding <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Subject:      Name/Address of Ms. Zhang Fengyi in Chinese
Reply-To: Ignatius Ding <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:56:06 GMT

Dear friends,


Several people e-mailed to me requesting information regarding the situation
that Ren Wanding's family is in.  They are interested to communicate with her
and offer to help.  I have requested assistance from Edwin Fung to generate
Ms. Zhang Fengyi's name and address in GB format, laserjet-ready format, and
postscript format.  I will make them available to you as soon as I receive from
Edwin.


Ignatius Ding
SVDC Communications
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