HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: picl27@fsphy1.physics.fsu.edu (Jeffrey Johnson)
Subject: Re: Vulnerablity
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: picl27@fsphy1.physics.fsu.edu
Organization: F.S.U. Dept of Physics
Date: 28 AUG 92 12:52:11    

In article <3542@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes...
>In article <1992Aug26.214737.16083@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> picl27@fsphy1.physics.fsu.edu writes:
>> you still feel completely vulnerable (and you really are 
> 
>	It's this last part that really pushes my buttons.  You only
>"really are" if it's true that most men are vile beasts who are just 
>sexual assaults looking for a place to happen.  (And if the places you

it doesn't matter if most men are----it only takes one..... 

>go really are in the middle of nowhere!  Most CO places I've been to have
>been pretty public...)

the places that i have gone have ALL been quite secluded----the closest
houses usually at least a mile away.  we have always gone to sinkholes
or lakes well into the woods, and the beach i frequented was a good half
mile walk from the small more "public" beach area where we parked. 

> 
>	Try this:
> 
>	"It's no wonder that a white guy who finds himself surrounded by
>by 5 black guys in the middle of nowhere feels vulnerable.  He really is."
> 
>	Yeah, well, of course, we are *all* vulnerable to some degree.
>As far as I'm concerned that's reducing life to an absurdity.  If you
>live in fear then all you really accomplish is the constriction of your
>own personal reality.

you seem to be COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that i went repetetively, and
thus have not been constricted the least bit by some overwhelming fear.
my POINT was that (and i guess i didn't state is clearly enough) women
do have some feelings of vulnerability when naked with a lot of men.
 women are smaller and weaker and thus can be taken advantage of
 * *relatively* easily. 
whether or not they will be is another issue (and we both agree that the
chances are near zero.) (the more i think i also suspect that we are
really arguing semantics----i'm not necessarily implying that for
vulnerability to exist there must also exist an agressor---only a 
possible agressor) 

> 

ande
From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: COED WASHROOMS
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:38:25 GMT
Reply-To: craigb@ot.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com


middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:

> >	2. How come the staff, like bartenders wore clothes.
> 
> Bartenders may be required to wear clothes.  Staff may or may not be
> nudists.  With regards to cooking, a friend of mine has an apron that
> says "never fry bacon naked".

I once read something by the writer Joe Haldeman wherein he maintains
that you get the best bacon by frying it nude, 'cos you tend to adjust
the heat so that it's just barely below the temperature that makes the
grease splatter.

:-)

Craig
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From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Being Naked in Canada
Keywords: laws, police harassment
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:09:01 GMT
Reply-To: glenm@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <Btv5us.9Gs@ie.utoronto.ca>, drascic@ie.utoronto.ca (SpIke) writes:
|> glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin) writes:
|> 
|> >There are a number of accepted nude-use locations in the country.
|> >One is Wreck Beach, at Vancouver, BC. Another is Meech Lake, near
|> >Ottawa, Ont. I belive there are a few spots in Quebec as well.
|> 
|> I've heard from a friend in Ottawa that cops have been roving Meech Lake
|> harassing the naked people, but only on weekdays when there aren't many
|> around.

This is pure harassment. Nude use in that area was tested successfully
in the courts. Anyone who is subject to this should register a complaint
against the appropriate police force. They don't have a leg to stand on.

|> There is/was a nude beach in Toronto, located somewhere in the Scarborough
|> Bluffs, about a 30 minutes hard and treacherous hike from the nearest road.
|> A month ago a sqad of armed cops arrived by boat, and had accomplices at the
|> top of the bluffs to guided them to the people hidden in the more private
|> areas.  Seems Toronto's (Im)Morality Squad really hates people having a good
|> time without inviting them... :-/

I've heard of this as well. I've also heard the the Scarborough Bluffs -
or the beach under them, anyway - are *desperately* ugly ... more of
a garbage dump than a beach.

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Phone : (613) 763-7299   Fax: (613) 763-2626             Internet: glenm@bnr.ca
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: brahm@cco.caltech.edu (David E. Brahm)
Subject: Re: Breasts (hers : -)
Summary: Liberty vs. Equality
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:28:02 GMT

kbiesel@unislc.uucp (Karen Biesel) writes (re: bare chests),
> It [is] an equality issue.  I would be perfectly content to keep my shirt
> on, if men had to also.

You don't mind being oppressed, as long as everyone else is too?  I'd
rather achieve equality by moving forward, not backward.

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: buick@belay (Patrick D. Buick)
Subject: Re: Where *not* to go nude.....
Organization: Belay Enterprises Inc. Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:25:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.080917.25364@unixg.ubc.ca> arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett) writes:
>.....Alberta....in August!!!!!....Brrrrrrrr.
>
>Did someone move Alberta to the southern hemisphere and not tell me???
>
>For those of you who didn't see this on you local weather report, Calgary
>(or maybe it was Edmonton) got 5 cm (2 inches) of the white stuff a couple
>of days ago.  For several days much of Alberta has been hovering around
>freezing with intermittent rain and snow showers.  Meanwhile, on the
>west coast we've been basking in sunshine for months.
>
>Bill.
>-- 
>Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca

Yeah, I just got back from a month in Nanaimo on the island out there
and I wish I had taken up the offer to stay a couple of more weeks!

Oh well, this way I get more work done :-)

Patrick
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Vulnerability
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:23:26 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Aug29.190126.733@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> picl27@fsphy1.physics.fsu.edu writes:
>what percentage of women do YOU think are raped by the time they
>graduate college?  last i heard it was approximately one in four.

	The FBI reports that 83 out of 100,000 women will be raped in any
single year.  The study you're semi-quoting defined rape as "any time she
participated in sexual activity she did not explicitly consent to or which
she felt pressured to consent to or later felt that she had been pressured
to consent to".  

	Rape is a real problem, but this type of trivialization and
manipulation of statistics is part of the ongoing demonization of men so
popular at the present.



Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: root@cc.mcgill.ca (Steeve)
Subject: hair in my soup
Organization: McGill University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:41:28 GMT

   They certainly don't require the vendors on wreck beach to wear clothes -
and I believe they are now licensed - and I, as a matter of fact, found a hair
in my falafel sandwich just a few days ago.  It wasn't too bad though and
it looked suspiciously pubic in origin.

	I would rather be back on the beach eating falafels with hair in them
than sitting here at my desk in hot, humid MTL.
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Info Needed - Virginia
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:06:49 GMT
Organization: Intstitute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu


I received the following request for help via email.  If anyone has useful
information for this person please post it.  Do NOT send it to me.

Thanks

(email from anonymous person):
>I've been reading your group and have always thought we (My girlfriend
>and I) could try this lifestyle but don't know of anyone in it.  I am located
>in south eastern Virginia.  I remember that there was a place in Suffolk and
>one in Gloucester I had heard about, there should be a beach somewhere near by
>with Nags Head, Hatteras, Va Bch and Sandbridge.  How do we get started?

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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Disc. against singles esp. men (was Re: FIRST TIMER REPORT. )
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:25:41 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <17u02nINNmh@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>the law says about that.  Seems to me some guy sued a bar a number of years
>ago because they gave women free drinks during happy hour, he claimed it

	When I lived in Miami years ago, my 2 best friends were this
(female) gay couple, we'll call 'em Cindy and Carol.  Their favorite
bar was this place Sebastian's, where women got in free but men had to 
pay $10.00 cover.  The idea was to discourage men from hanging out to
ogle the nearly-all-female crowd (who were busily ogling each other :-)

	I'd go with my friends and we'd all split the cover so I wouldn't
feel discriminated against and could afford to buy drinks...
From: RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: chests
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:26:19 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories


In article <3592@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:

>         Hmmm.  I've seen more than a few women with only one.  And
> at least one with none at all.  
> 
>         They were _still_ beautiful, and not in spite of 
their...difference...
> but because their difference didn't matter.  

Thanks for making that point. Actually, I do know several people, both men 
and women, with ...differences... and it doesn't matter to me and it 
appears not to matter to them. Now that I think about it, I think my 
attitude depends at least in part on how they feel themselves. The force 
of their persona can either nullify or amplify any physical difference. I 
love it when I meet people who don't know that they're not beautiful 
(i.e., the bullshit Barbie-and Ken image) and go right on as if they have 
every right to be exactly who they are! And sonnamabeech, they're right! 
Then there are some nice, attractive people out there who have bought into 
the whole image-over-substance mentality and just KNOW that they're not 
beautiful because they have an 'extra' 5 or 10 pounds, or are cross-eyed, 
or whatever, and eventually they convince everyone around them of it. 

I would love to get them out to a nude beach or something for a little 
anotomy lesson. "See that old bearded guy, the one who weighs about 320? 
Go talk to him sometime, he's a riot! He's got a million stories! And that 
woman over there with the burn scars? I love her. She's the kindest, most 
empathetic person I know. I'd give my life for her."

Unfortunately, you can't force people to look deeper. You can give 'em 
opportunities, but they've got to make the trip themselves. I'm sure you 
understand.

>         Hummpphh.  What usually follows for me is either getting bit
> by fire ants or getting splashed by some idiot speedboater ignoring the
> swimming area buoys...

Fire ants!!! That's one thing I DON'T miss about Austin!

Peace,
    Rob

Rob Robertson
GTE Laboratories          (617)466-4144 vox
40 Sylvan Rd.                (617)890-9320 fax
Waltham, Mass. 02254
"There is nothing nude under the sun..."
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: National Capital Naturists
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 06:33:55 GMT

Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
>Anyone out there affiliated with National Capital Naturists? I have been
>attempting to call the (703) 241-BARE number to see what's happening, but

Yes, I am.

But, I haven't been around to answer that phone number
due to my contract employment on the Eastern Shore this
Summer; plus, the voice answering system that is supposed
to take calls for us is dead right now.

CPA Cleanup
-----------
The big-biggee coming up is the Assateague beach cleanup
sponsored by the Commitee to Preserve Assateague. Since
NCN is a member of CPA, we are obligated to provide
people to help with this, plus it's a good gesture
anyway. We need as many people as we can get down
to the Maryland end's North Beach parking lot 
September 12 at 09:30 to help out with this. They
provide the bags and paper sheets to record what
is collected.

For more fun stuff, this Winter we are putting all our
efforts into securing sites for our swim and health fair
program. When we have specifics, don't worry, we'll
advertise them!

I can probably tell you much of what you wish to
know about NCN and the DC area, so ask away. Email if 
it's specific stuff, or here if it is of wide interest.

-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Subject: Re: Other places to be nude.
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:07:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.062646.3310@access.digex.com> bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler) writes:
>Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
>>I think. (She was driving.) I got nothing. (Hmmm...) We were asked to cover
>>up, and that was all. So just be careful out there! (Then again, this was
>>in North Carolina, in Jesse Helms country. Your mileage may vary.)
>
>Damn! How long ago was this? I'm surprised they didn't ship
>you off to Gulag for 20 years!
>
1990. During Helms' re-election campaign. Must've been trying to insure
good PR or something :)

--mark


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From: fad@leander.think.com (Franklin A Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Info on Club Orient?
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:54:14
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation
Distribution: rec
Reply-To: fad1@think.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: leander.think.com

If anyone has info on Club Orient, please email me.  A contact address to
write for a brochure, feedback on your trip there...  A colleague is
heading there.  I think it's in the Caribbean.

--Franklin

(please reply to my alternate mailbox, fad1@think.com)

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From: HENDRY@ETSUADMN.BITNET (John Hendry)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Mial
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:37:39 GMT

Personal note to M.S and J.W. who sent mail to me on 1 Sept 1992.
Please mail me again.  Your e-mail addresses did not work, and I
accidentally erased your headers.`
Thanks,
John

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From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Camping Bares
Date: 3 Sep 1992 21:18:02 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

By the way, we just sent out our September newsletter.  If there are any of
you out there who have requested a Camping Bares newsletter and NOT received
one by Sept 8 (it should be in Tuesdays mail) please send me email and let
me know.  I do occassionally lose addresses.

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From: user@i5120b.nrl.navy.mil (Account1)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: BRA SURVEY, ORGASM SURVEY and other such dreck
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:02:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.232653.9525@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
|> 
|> In a previous article, glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin) says:
|> 
|> >It would appear that some people don't know what this newsgroup is
|> >for.
|> >It is *not* for discussions of sex (except as pertaining to nudism),
|> >nor is it for discussions of a general sociological nature. Bra
|> >surveys are right out!
|> >
|> How about this: Maybe someone should post periodically to alt.sex, etc.
|> explaining the mission of rec.nude.

Hey, this is interesting.  I'm not a regular reader of this news
group--and doubt I ever will be.  But here's the thing:
"Big Brother" took away a whole bunch of news groups from the
server.  I know they got anything with "sex" in the title.  It
really is Orwellian (sp?), since now most people don't even know
which groups were taken.  I could better understand if they
removed everything which was non-work related, but this
selective censorship seems most un-American.

So the reason you're probably seeing these kind of off topic
postings is that lots of people who happen to have access to
this account don't have access to others.

Help!  What can I do?  Are there any news servers that will let
anyone "-nntpServer" to them?  How about anonymous ftp sites?
I read some info about becomming my own news server--sounds like
quite a chore.

At the very least, how can I get a FULL list of newsgroups?  I'd
like to know what I'm missing.


                            Thanks,

                            user@i5120b.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Keeping men out
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 08:25:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.065946.511@unixg.ubc.ca> arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett) writes:
>I know several women who are uncomfortable being alone on Wreck Beach
>because of the number of single men, and in particular because of the"extra
>attention" they receive.  They are comfortable enough, though, if they are
>accompanied by a man.

From my experience, when I was down there, at least two very attractive
women came by themselves and set up close to me, near the big rocks at
the outer reach of the beach, and proceeded to quite openly align their
bodies towards the sun optimally, with one even assuming a rather
exhibitionist pose (IMNSHO). Perhaps they are regulars, hence everyone
knows not to bother them. Of course, I was being painfully polite. But
throughout the two hours that they were there, not a single man
approached them, even when they were away from the crowd when they went
down to soak in the cool waves (although, admittedly, any man who
approached them then, and got rejected with some colourful gesture,
would have the entire beach laughing at him immediately, since everyone
obviously sits facing the water :-).

Yes, there were at least 10 non-nudist male hanging out too. I gather
they belong to gangs, and consider the beach their territory, since I
overhear them making disparaging remarks about how all these people are
so weird and so uncool. Those are the people who stay after sunset.  At
night, I've heard from the locals that the place is full of underworld
figures prowling the beach looking for good business (i.e. drug) deals.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: National Capital Naturists
Summary: The number you have reached...has been changed
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:53:11 GMT

In article <1457200028@igc.apc.org> naturist@igc.apc.org (Pat O'Brien) writes:
>Hmmm, lots of questions about National Capital Naturists.
>	Not sure where they're hiding this week, but you might try John
>Boteler at (703) 241-7818.

Wrong number.

Try 703.241.5499 when I am in town to answer it. Sorry
I have to work (somebody want to sponsor me instead?).

-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato)
Subject: Re: BRA SURVEY, ORGASM SURVEY and other such dreck
Reply-To: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 13:13:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.160430.7574@bmerh85.bnr.ca> glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)  
writes:
> I'm sorry, people. I tried. I really did. I waited. I tried to send
> him email (it bounced).
> 
> It would appear that some people don't know what this newsgroup is
> for. It is for <drum roll> discussion of nude recreation, with
> legal issues, trip reports, etc all rolled in. 
> 
> <flame on>
> [rest of flame deleted...]

1. You never turned flame off.

2. You're a Republican, aren't you?

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From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Other places to be nude.
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 06:26:46 GMT

Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
>I think. (She was driving.) I got nothing. (Hmmm...) We were asked to cover
>up, and that was all. So just be careful out there! (Then again, this was
>in North Carolina, in Jesse Helms country. Your mileage may vary.)

Damn! How long ago was this? I'm surprised they didn't ship
you off to Gulag for 20 years!

-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.nude