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From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Saints/Bills This Sunday
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:58:49 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <BzHLLw.FH4@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes) writes:
>Gimmie DA Bills, NO has a really great defense but the offense not so great
>the Bills D is just now at their prime. The Bills offense will score just enough to win !!! I just hope Kelly stays healthy
>
>(I know e-mail you my drugs)
>
>
>Bills 20
>Saints 17

Actual Score:
Bills 20
Saints 16

Damn close! Damn good prediction!
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Gannon's stupidity costs the Vikes.
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:25:07 GMT
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Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


Trailing 17-20 in the closing stages of the 4th Qtr, the
Vikes get a first down in field goal range.  In the first
play Allen gains 3 yards.  In  the second play, instead of
continuing the running play Gannon goes to pass and gets
sacked.....loss of yardage.  But the *idiot* does not
learn....He again goes for the pass on the 3rd down....
gets sacked near the 50 yard line putting the Vikes out
of FG range.
Net result... Instead of getting the game tying FG and putting
the pressure on the 9ers...the Vikes-inept-O sees another
chance go down the drain.

Again the Super-D rose to the occassion and saved the Vikes
from getting blown away.  It is a *credit* to the Super-D
that inspite of a non-functioning offence, they keep these
games close. The Super-D got their 8th TD.

As for the O, the less said the better.  I am plain pissed.
Atleast, Salsbury threw for completions...But Gannon
......EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKS!!!!!!!!

Sorry , had to get this out of my system.

S.H
From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:16:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Greatest team, Bret Favre and Vikes
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

>(JP Wieske) / 11:42 am  Dec 17, 1992 /

>On the Steeler/Packer/49er debate on the best team of all time.. who knows.
>The times and the ages are vey different. The Packers of the 60's think that
>they could beat anyone in history, particularly with Lombardi coaching.
>I am extremely biased on this issue. I would say the Packers. With fewer teams,
>the number of quality players on a team had to be quite high. Lombardi had
>players at probably 15 of 22 positions who would make a top 10 player in history
>list. Arguments for the Steelers & 49ers are quite valid. The Packers are the 
>only team to win 3 championships in a row. (They did it twice the sixties and
>1929, 1930, and 1931 I believe----I'll check my Packer History book)

My $0.02 on "greatest of all time" (speaking as a confirmed '49er fan):

I think the Packers and Steelers had more consistency than the 49ers in
their glory years.  The Pack won 5 championships in 7 years and the
Steelers won 4 in 6 years while the '9ers 4 titles were spread out over
nine years (hopefully soon to be 5 in 12 years :^)), and the '9ers were
not as good in their non-championship years ('82 and '85-'87).  The
difference is that the Packers and Steelers had mostly the same group of
great players who grew up and then grew old together, which is why they
both fell off steeply after their last title.  The '9ers have really
followed the pattern more of teams like the Raiders and Cowboys through
the '70s who kept bringing in new players - except that the '9ers have
now surpassed the success of both those franchises.

The fact that the two main men, Montana and Lott, played for all 4 
'9er SB winners has obscured the fact that the team was almost entirely
rebuilt in the mid-'80s.  Only a handful of starters played on both the
'84 and '88 winners.  But the best '9er teams - '84 and '89 - were as
good as anybody.

- Gary Rosen
From: hunt@shy.umd.edu (Brian Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL Tiebreakers
Date: 20 Dec 92 07:04:16 GMT
Distribution: usa

nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>The following is a summary of NFL tie-breaking procedures as printed in the
>Dallas Morning News.  FYI.  Based on that:

[Lots of people point out how they botched something in the AFC.
Fortunately I tend to ignore the AFC...]

>o If Washington and Philadelphia tie, Philadelphia will win based on head-to-
>  head (if they beat Wash) or Washington will win based on conference record
>  (if they beat Phil).

They have the right results here, but the wrong reasons.  They seem to
think Philadelphia beat Washington earlier this year.  Let me attempt
a correction:

o If Washington and Philadelphia tie, Washington will win based on head-to-
  head (if they beat Phil) or Philadelphia will win based on division record
  (if they beat Wash).

Brian Hunt
hunt@ipst.umd.edu
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Steve Young vs. Randall Cunningham
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:58:51 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



This notion of Young being more durable than Cunningham doesn't really
wash.  Cunningham has been one of the most sacked QBs over the last 
few years. In fact a few years ago, he broke the NFL record for being
sacked the most times in one season: 76 times!!!!!!  Most of the sacks
are a result of him being a "scrambling" QB but he's taken his lickin'
and he's still tickin'.

satish nair
bitter & twisted giants fan

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From: root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon)
Subject: I'm a Vikings fan..please shoot me!!
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:27:33 GMT

Yes, I see it coming... A last game showdown with the pack for the division
title. Oh NO!!!!

Rich Gannon should be hung for the performance he turned in yesterday.
Over-throwing,under-throwing, and missing open receivers.
The only time he beat the Blitz, the god-damn receiver was right in front of
him!!!
And that last drive...AAAARRRRRGGGGGG!!!!! A 2nd down and 8 from the 29
of the niners and what does Gannon do??? get sacked 2 plays in a row,
he doesn't even try to throw the ball away!!


The Vikes defense played their typical "bend but not break" defense, coming
up with big plays when the vikings need them.

The Vikes now have to go to Pittsburgh and win where the Steelers are
undefeated this season...tough task. Th only bright spot is that the Steelers
have a QB almost as bad as Gannon..Bubby Brister. Also Barry Foster says he's
getting run down. It looks like it's going to be a defensive struggle, which
means the vikes have a chance.

I think Coach Green will start Sean Salisbury against the Steelers and 
probably the rest of the way (no playoff assumptions anymore).

I think vikes have to take a hard look at their QB situation at the end of
the season. Do they try to sign a Plan B QB or try to develop their
3rd string QB rookie Brad Johnson.

If it does come down to the vike-pack game for the division, the coach who
wins the game will probably be the NFC coach of the year.

To all you Pack fans, be proud of you team, their playing great & they might
just pull it out!!


------------------------------
J.R. Ordon
A very nervous vikings fan
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:40:07 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: arth@sudshead.EBay.Sun.COM (Sudshead)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings
Date: 11 Dec 1992 20:48:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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In article 1gasshINNgsk@uwm.edu, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>In article <1gaje4INNclb@male.EBay.Sun.COM> arth@sudshead.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>>
>>One thing to note about the Vikes is they always lose the second to last game
>>of the year. Always when they need a win they screw it up.
>>
>   Okay, now that you've expained, with great detail I might add, why the
>   Vikes will lose against Pittsburgh, would you care to tell us how they'll
>   do against the 'Niners? Or don't you have the third-to-the-last-game-of-the-
>   year results for the Vikes? :)
>
>   A Packer fan not even thinking about a Division title, 
>
>   --salty
>
>

Well shit -- I guess there are three weeks left in the season. I just filled out
the Internet football pool for week 15 and forgot about the byes. Actually now
I'm happy since the vikes may beat the niners, but they will lose to the steelers.

I will now expain :-) how I follow the vikes 2nd to last games (not that I'm entirely
100% absolutley sure in case someone looks it up). About 6 years ago the Vikes
were playing the Oilers in the second to last game of the season and needed the
win to make the playoffs. They were playing great and Houston had a shitty year.
The spread is vikes +6 at Houston, I head to tahoe and put $3400 on the vikes. The
game isn't on TV so I'm waiting for scores and the first I see are Houston 24 Vikes 0.

Ever since them it seems the Vikes screw up the 2nd to last game of the year. Can't
wait to bet Pittsburgh.

suds
	

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: WILDCARDS, READ THIS!
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 15 DEC 92 16:38:04    

In article <28559@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, pacyna@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Michael Pacyna) writes...

>If Washington and Green Bay are tied at the end of the season, Washington
>wins the tiebreaker according to what I've read.  Green Bay's only hope
>is to win the division.

Well, the Packers are only 1 game behind the Redskins with 2 games 
remaining.  You do the math.

JGH
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Gannon's stupidity costs the Vikes. -NOPE, it was the coach
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:26:47 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <Bz83tv.D3q@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>
>Trailing 17-20 in the closing stages of the 4th Qtr, the
>Vikes get a first down in field goal range.  In the first
>play Allen gains 3 yards.  In  the second play, instead of
>continuing the running play Gannon goes to pass and gets
>sacked.....loss of yardage.  But the *idiot* does not
>learn....He again goes for the pass on the 3rd down....
>gets sacked near the 50 yard line putting the Vikes out
>of FG range.
>Net result... Instead of getting the game tying FG and putting
>the pressure on the 9ers...the Vikes-inept-O sees another
>chance go down the drain.

No way were those calls Gannon's fault! Those weren't audibles, those were
called by some guy up in the booth. And boy did that coach look dumb. He
got lucky when the ref's chose not to call a fumble when the 49ers striped
Gannon of the ball.

Still, you can blame Gannon for his poor throwing. Luckily he can run. In
fact with the way the Vikings RB's & Gannon were running against the #1
ranked running D, I was surprise the Viking's coaches let Gannon throw so
much. I would have thought they would have used the pass to keep the defense
honest.


Tom Wolf
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From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: Deadskins Edge Bowboys!!
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7527E309C02700D@rambo.princeton.edu>
Originator: news@nimaster
X-Xxdate: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:08:48 GMT
Organization: Geology Dept, Princeton Univ
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:07:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.155603.25988@linus.mitre.org> Keith Lewis,
lewis@aera8700.mitre.org writes:
>I think down by contact would only apply if he had possession of the
ball,
>then a Redskin hit him, causing him to go down.  (Correct me if I'm
wrong) I
>don't think any Redskins touched Smith while he had possession. 

Correction:  I'm pretty sure he was being tackled at the time of the
fumble.

FRANK-I've removed the quotes from "fumble"- Bilotti

__________________________________________
Go 'Canes & Cowboys
frank@wanda.princeton.edu
__________________________________________

message to John:  Jimmy Johnson has challenged your football Gods-  see
you in January!
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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: What is a "Packer"? Viking fan wants to know
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:18:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman

In article <1992Dec16.195725.10877@data-io.com> dietz@parody.Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz) writes:

>In my early youth, I was a Packer fan, having something to do with abysmal
>Viking teams and being from the upper Midwest (and two Super Bowl victories :-)

Goodness, Kent.  I'm glad to hear that you've rid yourself of that early
childhood illness. :-)


>I am a die-hard Viking fan, but have somewhat of a soft spot in my heart
>(or is that head) for the Packers.

Sigh.  But still some lingering symptoms. :-)


>Vikings by birth, Seahawks for comedy.

That's the only way to be a Seahawks fan.


Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: all SB winner
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:49:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.164850.15221@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) writes:

>     Might mean that winning breeds winning attitudes for the future,
>wheras the Broncos, Bills and Vikings of the world are left to be the
>cannon fodder for the above-listed teams.

So what happens if the Vikings and Broncos go to the Big Dance?
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
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From: nrau@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Nicholas Naveen Rau)
Subject: A Saints Fan's view on the playoffs.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:39:03 GMT

Well, here it is, my entrance into the football conf. and frankly from the
lack of New Orleans fans around here, I think it is needed.  For an 11 - 3
team they are vastly undersupported here.

What can I say about the playoffs?  It would be naive of me to try to
predict a NFC Champion since any one of five teams could go all the way
(NO, SF, WASH, PHIL, DALL) but I think that the one thing that we can all
safely assume is that the NFC will dominate the SB yet again (sorry 
Buffalo fans!).  But, when we talk about "feelings" this season, I have
a "feeling" that Green Bay will knock WASH. out of the playoffs (surprised?).
Maybe it is do to my feeling that the Saints will be more than a bye in the
playoffs this year.

GEAUX SAINTS.
From: dray@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Ray Giese)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packers chances?
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:13:50 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1992Dec20.175230.8059@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey) writes:
>  By the way,
>if the Redskins win and the Eagles lose (and the Packers win) who goes in a
>three way?.  Anyway, there's always next year, the secondary is just getting
>better (A LOT BETTER, Buckley 2ints, 1 Td, Cecil 1 int).  The Qb is in place,
>we got the WR, we can draft another.  A little better OL, and we're set.
>(A rushing DL would be nice too).  Well hat's off to the Vikes, see you next
>week!  Payback for week one at least!
>
>-Chris C.
>
>
     This is really confusing, I heard three different versions on Packer
chances on the Packer game, the post game, and PrimeTime.  Now, I thought
of myself as a well informed Packer fan, thinking that the Packers need:
1) a Redskins loss with a Packers win; or
2) an Eagles loss (They still have the tie-breaker in head-to-head, don't
   they?) with a win in Minn.

   If there are special situations for a three way race, please post or
   e-mail

   Dan Giese
   dray@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Monday, 14 Dec 1992 09:02:16 MST
From: <IADGLC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
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Subject: Re: BEST team wins Re: Dallas vs Skins
 <1992Dec14.042541.24506@PacBell.COM> <1992Dec14.045032.23931@Princeton.EDU>
 <matjmm.724353059@gsusgi1.gsu.edu>

In article <matjmm.724353059@gsusgi1.gsu.edu>, matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (J. Morgan
Morris) says:
>
>
>To John Gloria and all other obnoxious Redskins woofers: the Cowboys were 1-15
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>in 1989. Heh heh heh. Aren't you still ashamed of that lone Cowboy victory?
>And
>*no way* the Redskins are as good as the Cowboys this year.
>
Whoa, there, boy, now, just WHOA. John Gloria is not a Redskins woofer. He
pulls for the 49ers, who probably wish he would fall in the bay and drift out
to sea, but he most certainly does not woof for the Redskins. He just seems
to hate the Cowboys. As a Redskins fan, so do I, but in such a way that I
love the Boys-Skins rivalry, and I love seeing it become something again. My
congratulations to the Cowboys' fans who have accepted yesterday's loss with
class and dignity. Most of them. "No way the Redskins are as good as the
Cowboys this year"? 20-17 yesterday, and Yesterday is the only game that
counts right now. ;)
>
>
>John Morgan Morris
>
George Cathcart
Arizona State University
From: curt@oce.orst.edu (Curt Vandetta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Steling Sharpe is NOT better than Rice
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:34:45 GMT
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In article <1992Dec11.164718.14507@seq.uncwil.edu> rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:
>
>Which major record does largent hold? The TD receptions was the last one...
>Monk has catches, Lofton yards and Rice TDs... so what is left to
>Largent (except maybe games played...or consecutive game rec streak...?)

 Well sense no single reciever has yet to eclipse all of Largents past records
 one could make a case that he was the best all round reciever in the NFL.

 Although I think with time, someone will eventually post better numbers in
 every catagory than Largent did, and it may very well be Rice if he stays
 healthy.

 I actually think that Largents biggest accomplishment was that he played
 18 years in the NFL at a position that takes it's fair share of lumps.
 And with the Seahawks, where on 3rd down there was very little question as
 to where the ball was going.
 
 Curt
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From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)
Subject: A Holiday thank you note
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:18:18 GMT

   Seeing that this is the Holiday season (pc language here) I feel
that it is appropriate to thank those who have been soooo helpful
during the course of the last year, in this case for the Stillers.

Thank you.....Coach Noll, for going out in style by defeating the
             Brownies and for many years of great service to the 
             franchise.

Thank you.....Dan Rooney, for making a difficult and wise decision
             in choosing Bill Cowher over Dave Wannstedt.

Thank you.....Bill Cowher, for fitting a scheme to fit the players,
             as opposed to making the players fit a system.

Thank you.....Al Del Greco.  'Nuff said.

Thank you.....Barry Foster, for proving me right.  You are 
             a back in the mold of Harris and John Henry Johnson
             and oyou will be a part of Steelers tradition for
             years to come.

Thank you.....to the Steelers offensive minds, for realizing that
             Merril Hoge was living off of the afterglow of two
             playoff games, and that BARRY! BARRY! was a feature back.

and above all.....
thank you...............
             LIONS AND PACKERS, for helping the Steelers become the
             first team to clinch a divisional title.


WISHES FOR THE NEW YEAR:

  -  A trip to Pasadena and two tickets to the big dance.

  -  'Drug free' status and full recovery for Tim Worley and Eric Green.

  -  Yet another crosseyed kicker for the Oilers.


Happy holidays!

Kevin Stamber
Purdue University

COWHER POWER!

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From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 49'ers: Will Montana Play the Last Game?
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:26:39 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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Begining a few weeks ago, the word was that *if* the team was secured
of homefield advantage during the playoffs, that Montana would play a
game. It seems as if this is now settled. With the niners winning over
the vikings, and Dallas loosing to the Redskins, and combing the fact
that the niners win any tie breakers, they can now "loose" a game and
still get the homefield advantage. That is supposing, of course, that
they beat the Buccaneers next sunday, which is a near certainity.

Young's optimal strategy is to *loose* that game so that Montana
cannot play. Then again, He might want Montana to play poorly against
one of the worst teams in the league, the Lions. That would look real
bad, and combined with Young's free agency status next year, would
give him a lot of bargaining power. 


Niners: Now the Best Team In the League*****************************
-- 
"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
                      Kenneth Boulding                             

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