HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 00:49:06 EDT
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Black Agenda and Homosexual Issues

I've taken a beating on this thread and some would say it's a self inflicted
wound.  This will be my last article on this topic.  I didn't want to
respond to all the individual flames thrown my way.  I don't have all the
time to do that. I still think society's response to gays is a self-inflicted
wound also. I guess many proved that point.

My original posting questioned the necessity of gay rights becoming a
part of the agenda being adopted by our ldrs.  Some have suggested that
there is nothing wrong w/ this alliance [gays rights issues being grafted into
minority "status"].  I questioned why this should be accepted when society
at large has not accepted this same issue, although that may change in the
future.  What I found to be strange was the number of folx who wrote me off
(maybe?).  Well, I don't care about being wrote off, but I will close on
this issue by saying "I really don't care what anyone does in the privacy of
their own homes." That's nobody biz except when it may infringe on the
rights of others.  Will gay rights infringe on the rights of others?  Y'all
answer this for yourselves.  Does gay rights belong on the agenda
concerning the struggle of AfAms in this country?  Again, answer it for
yourselves.  I don't think it belongs.  Nuff said.

*** "No performer in any of the arts wants to move backwards; few are   ***
***  content to stand still; many are eager to move ahead."             ***

Fred Rozenblad-Phryzzinian Man                  -McCoy Tyner
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu                              "Tender Moments"


Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:4631 soc.culture.asian.american:3695
From: lacausa@amherst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Mailing List for His-Panic Students
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:32:51 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.


 
        Hola, me llamo Gilberto and I am the co-chair of La Causa (the Latino
 student group of Amherst College). I am writing this letter because I am 
 interested in trying to set up some kind of communication among Latinos at
 different colleges and universities. I have managed to convince the people
 in the computer center to give us two e-mail addresses which we can use in
 order to communicate with Latinos nationwide. Such a list can be used for a 
 variety of purposes including: 
 
   1) Inform one another about conferences and events happening
      on other campuses.
 
   2) Share information about how to effectively organize as students.
 
   3) Find more effective ways of recruiting and holding onto Latino students
      and faculty.
 
   4) Talk about ways to change the curriculum so that it starts to deal with
      concerns specific to Latinos in the U.S. (e.g. Hispanic-American Studies 
      programs)
 
   5) Get access to news about Latino students that probably is not availiable 
      through the 'mainstream' student magazines about campus life.
 
   6) Meet people who have a similar background and interest. (e.g. Afro-Latin
      studies is an area where it is not easy to get lots of information through
      the library and a mailing list might make it easier for people to get the
      names of books or references which others have found useful)
 
        I am sure that there are other things that a Latino mailing list could
 be used for and it would really be up to its members to decide what direction
 it should take. 
 
        If you are interested and want to subscribe, or have any comments that
 you want to send specifically to the person taking care of the list (that's me)
 then send a message to:
 
               latino-l-request@amherst.edu
 
  If you want to use the list and distribute a message, article, announcement,
  poem or whatever to all of the people participating in the list then send a
  message to: 
 
              latino-l@amherst.edu
 
 
 
 and also: if you know of anybody who might want to participate in the list 
           please forward this letter to them so that word of this can get out.
 
    gracias
 
 -Gilberto
 
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: rjb3@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (robert.j.brown)
Subject: Re: Maury Povich Show: She Wants To Be White
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:20:53 GMT
Summary: turn it in, Mr M.

In article <1992Apr13.174840.5534@sequent.com>, news@sequent.com (News on Muncher) writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.005510.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu> mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:
> 
> >in case you were, I gotta ask.  What is white music?  Lawrence Welk?  But
> 
>  Nice try.  Which black musician did Beethoven and Bach copy?  This is
>  white music.

Now if we're gonna carve it up like this, I respectfully request
that Mr. W Marsalis turn in his classical horn and give back all
his pay and royalties he has earned playing our "White" music :-)

Bobby - akgua!rjb
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Black Agenda and Homosexuality Issues (was NAACP Crisis)
From: ypchireau@amherst.edu
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:46:33 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.

In article <356.02iY0fDS01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard) writes:
> In article <56783@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>>You can change from AfAm --> other as easily as someone can change from
>>gay --> straight.  The only difference is that a gay person can pass
>>as straight for a while, whereas you can't pass as White.
>>
> 
> Exactly.  They can pass.  I could never pass as white. NEVER!

I'm sure this is as loathsome a thought for a gay person as it is 
for a black person. A desperate, defeating way of life. Only
a callous fool would imply that these are acceptable options.


> 
>> 
> I never said discrimination of any form was OK.
> What someone does behind closed doors is their business.
> I don't want to see either hetero/homosexual couples, in a heavy petting
> demonstaration in public.
>
That's really great, but it's kind of ignorant. A hetero couple in
public does not run the risk of being attacked or as in NYC last 
year, KILLED with little or no public sympathy.

What one does behind closed doors IS their business, but if the word
should come out, does that mean that these persons should have
their lives ruined?

I've seen this happen. Maybe you should look around your community
and find out if this sort of thing has happened to anyone you know.
yvonne
From: kevinc@sequent.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Asshole needs clue coupon
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:07:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr14.220753.21014
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Originator: kevinc@crg8.sequent.com

In article <1992Apr13.205413.1@wharton.upenn.edu> wrightb@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>Does anybody out there have a clue coupon for this asshole.I used mine
>for the last asshole that invaded our ranks and got bashed to death.
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   I've been reading and posting to s.c.a.a since it started.  Posting
  from a ".edu" node indicates that you are probably a student and therefore
  johnny-come-lately.

   You're extremely hot-headed and possess the eloquence of a loose cannon.
  The combination should get you far in life.
 
>SET FLAME THROWERS ON HIGH and burn this terminal piss-ant to a cinder.

   ".edu" nodes were few and far between when I got my first flame. 

   Don't let some text on a screen bring out the worst in you.
From: alves@celece.ucsd.edu (Ralph Alves)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: WHY!
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:08:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCSD Division of Engineering


	Why do some people on this net continue to believe it necessary
to justify their existence! The people who need to play that game about
whose music, culture, etc. is better than some others are not much
different than the people who (during my younger days) chose to
bleach their skins and process their hair. Someone comes along and
tells them that THIS or THAT is important and they respond to the
game by trying to prove that they are better at this or that than
whoever started that "show and tell" game.
	As far as assimilation, do you think that all White (European)
people speak the same language, like the same music, eat the same
food? Don't you think that the French, the Italians, the Germans, etc.
had to go through some changes to fit into the American lifestyle?
Don't you think they had language and cultural difficulties? Do you
think all Whites are the same? The "White Man" that you refer to: can
you pick him out in a line-up; does he have any tatoos, scars or other
distinguishing marks. Is he the same guy that went over and made deals
with African leaders to get slaves to be brought to America. How old is
this guy anyway! Cleopatra was a slave owner.
	I'm not referring to all out there, but I hope some of you will
get over your self-pity and other complexes and learn to enjoy some of
your stay on this earth without feeling you have to prove yourself. Who
cares what others think of you. Take time to discover what is really
bothering you.
From: clg1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Christopher L Gray)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Maury Povich Show: She Wants To Be White
Keywords: you fool..
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:08:49 GMT
Organization: The Deephouse Project

From: news@sequent.com (News on Muncher):

>>in case you were, I gotta ask.  What is white music?  Lawrence Welk?  But

 >Nice try.  Which black musician did Beethoven and Bach copy?  This is
 >white music.

Beethoven was Blak.



-- 
BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS
                          B
Mr. Christopher L. Gray   L  "If the truth hurts, 
clg1@ra.MsState.edu       *   then, you'll be in pain!"           
Mississippi State U.      A    --- Sista Souljah, PE 
                          K
BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: rah@rampart.enet.dec.com (Robert Holt)
Subject: Malawi 
Reply-To: rah@rampart.enet.dec.com (Robert Holt)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 19:53:33 GMT

Whats the latest on the brave union leader who was 
arrested in Malawi when his plane landed? 

The man returned knowing that he could well become
"food for crocodiles".

I'm dissapointed none of the papers or news feeds here
seem to have the story (it was carried on BBC last night).
/*-------------------------------------------------------+
 | Robert Holt - Digital Equipment Corp - Palo Alto, CA. 
 |                                                      
 | "We're not shooting enough professors."             
 |          -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov                  
 |                                                   
 | Standard Disclaimer applies...
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From: dup@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: south africans
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:49:49 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Apr4.891.3593@dosgate>, colin.perkel@canrem.com (colin perkel) writes:
> 
>    Just wondering if you guys/gal were still there? F. Jacot, Steve,
> Angus, Linda et al.
>    Seems like ages since we heard from you this side. Are you still up
> and running?
> 

It's not just your side of the Atlantic -- the UK/SA communications are also
very dicey. No-one seems sure what is wrong. What has come through to me
has been cries of despair, and mail isn't just bouncing, it's disappearing
into the electronic ether.

I hope it comes right soon...

M. du Plessis
Oxford
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 16:24:40 EDT
From: <OLOMOLAS@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Feminists!
 <1992Apr10.201241.11477@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>
 <1992Apr10.175202.9996@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> <204745@unix.cis.pitt.edu>

Personally, I do not believe in the notion of Feminism. I think it is a
consciously orchestrared strategy aimed at demonstrating the potential
weakness of women in the society and their fear of male superiority.
I greatly cherish African women. They symbolise the authentic notion
of God's ingenuity. That is why perhaps they are more intelligent and
"happy" in marriages and other basic areas of life. Feminism, I think
is aimed at distrupting the equilibrium of positions as destined by GOD.
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Slavery
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:57:42 GMT
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

In article <1992Apr14.124126.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>	2) Western culture, and The United States in particular, is not
>extraordinary in its discriminations and enslavements, on this we all agree. 
>What separates it from others is that it was the first to recognize that what
>it was doing was morally wrong and take steps (albeit not entirely effective
>ones) to correct matters.

Hardly the first such culture.  For example, the first recorded laws
providing for the systematic manumission of slaves date from the time
of Hammurabi; very similar laws are found in the Book of Leviticus.
A bit later, about 100 BC, slavery was abolished in the Chinese Empire,
to be revived only by the Mongols.

In classical times, the Stoic philosophers uniformly taught that
slavery was a moral evil; this was a major influence on the code
of Justinian.

While the Christian scriptures tend to be equivocal, Islam is not:
the manumission of slaves is an unqualified act of piety, and
enjoined upon all believers.

Perhaps this is also the place to recall that the first nation in
North America to abolish slavery was the (black) Republic of Haiti,
and the last was the United States.
From: pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: African Music, the rythm is strong...
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:55:11 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr10.131040.1@kontu.cc.utu.fi> samjay@kontu.cc.utu.fi writes:
>	This is hard to adjudge. I think eveyone must agree that the continent
>	is resourceful in music. What is superior is a matter of individual's
>	inclinination, taste and different moods.
>	It is unfair to undermine the contribution of the works of such gurus
>	as Fela Kuti, Manu Dibango, Youssour N'dour, Hugh Masekela, Salif Keita
>	King Sunny Ade, Miriam Makeba, The great musicians of Congo & Zaire....
>	(the list goes on and on). These artists have produced powerful
>	ryhthyms irrespective of the regions or countries they hail from.
>	The fact is: one is spoilt for choice !!! A wandering enthusiast
>	wouldn't restrict himself to one region; not the least to one country.
>
>						-- Sammy Jayeola.
>
>						*e-mail:
>						   samjay@kontu.cc.utu.fi
>						   sjayeola@finabo.abo.fi



Point  taken. Let it just be said that atleast you have been made aware. Intime
you will asses for your self  and hope fully come to the opinion that I  have.
In all fairness though, I have met Zaireans who don't like thier own music (eventhough their numbers seem negligible)  and therefor it is expected that others 
might have those of the same sentiment  in  a greater measure.

I am  not a Zairean, but acknowledge   their greatness. I wish that my brother
was Kanda Bongoman or Diblo Dibala, but even as this is not the case  I cannot
begrudge them the credit I fel they have justly earned. I  know of no musicians
ANYWHERE let alone our continent who come even close. Let me repeat however that
these sentiments really represent personal predjudeces  which no one else need  have. Of course other musicians, eg those above ,  are also  good. However  somewhwere some how a transition occurs and most other musicians  get left  underwhat you find left  arre the likes of Pepe Kalle, Kanda  etc.

Iexpect and accept flaames simply because  my views will be too abrasive for 
a lot of people. I   also hope that this will\ precipitate a debate about music
on this group. That way I   may   discover music styles on our continent which
I have neever heard  about.

Just becuse they are the best now does nnot mean that some   one else will  not invent better music/dance styles than theee Zaireans (and maybe that is alreadythe case but I  just don't know)


Makala
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: john kauta <kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Apology- to Mr. Kauta
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:13:25 -0500

I had no doubt you had misread my article. No apologies necessary, Makala.
ESPECIALLY since, in my recent article, I went against a brother without 
really understanding what he meant [BTW, after reading his subsequent
article, I was so impressed by his writting that I sent him an e-mail to
this effect] - I think this goes with the territory!
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Feminists!
Date: 13 Apr 1992 22:38:14 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <1992Apr10.133208.21487@mercury.cair.du.edu>, rhuffman@diana.cair.du.edu (Robert T. Huffman) writes:

|> Once again I have to disagree with you.  I simply do not understand why a
|> non-American cannot have opinions about American problems.  Furthermore, it
|> seems to me that a non-American can offer insights into American society
|> by being more detached from it.  Alexis de Tocqueville visited the US from
|> Great Britian in the 19th century, and his views of the country are still
|> quoted.  

Minor factual correction to an otherwise great posting:  
Alexis de Tocqueville was French.

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
From: wilson@persee.enst-bretagne.fr (Jenneine WILSON)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: hi
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:38:29 GMT
Organization: enst-bretagne Brest, FRANCE

Hi, iam a black american studying image processing and artificial intelligence at the ENST in France.  I am originally from Boston and studied elctrical engineering at MIT.  I hope to open  a technical consulting business one day in some african country.  So i am looking to make some contacts.  Please give me a call at 33 98.00.17.91 or send me email.  We can exchange ideas or just keep in touch. PS-by the way MIT is publishing a magazine called the African Technology Forum 
please contact me if you are interested in subscriptions.  You can write in
french, english, or spanish. SALUT from MISS WILSON
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: melgosa@milton.u.washington.edu (Mercedes Perez-Melgosa)
Subject: Re: test
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:29:40 GMT
From: wsargeant@IGC.ORG (Winslow L. Sargeant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS:Nigeria increases oil reserves
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:33:18 GMT

/* Written  1:05 pm  Apr  8, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.opecna */
/* ---------- "Opecna: nigeria increases oil reser" ---------- */
Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.

Area: Opecna Morning Transmission
Title: Opecna: nigeria increases oil reserves to 20 billion barrels - aminu


lagos, 8 apr. 92 (opecna)--nigerian minister of petroleum
and mineral resources prof. jibril aminu said here tuesday that
nigeria had increased its proven oil reserves from 16 billion
barrels in 1989 to +20 billion barrels in january, 1992+.
declaring open an international exhibition on oil and gas,
the minister said that the target was achieved due to the
government's approval of a number of incentives to oil-producing
companies to invest more funds in exploration.
in addition, the ministry had awarded new acreages to
foreign and local companies for increased exploration.
aminu, who is also opec conference president, said the need
for high revenue-yielding sources for guaranteed national
development and economic growth had led to a shift of emphasis
to downstream petroleum activities such as liquefied natural gas
and petrochemicals development.
he said the current large-scale flaring of the country's
gas would be checked through the development of activities that
would enhance the demand and profitable consumption of natural
gas.
large investment opportunities existed in gas production,
gathering and distribution, plant construction and installation
of export terminals, he said.
==more
(08-apr-92)






lagos-2

the minister, who examined various ongoing development
projects in the country's oil industry, expressed the hope that
in the very near future the projects would provide significant
savings through import substitution and increased exports.
the paper was titled +using petroleum resources to
enhance nigeria's future survival and development+.
consultant to the fair organizers +fairs and exhibition
services+ dotun okubanjo, said that the four-day exhibition was
the contribution of the private sector to the promotion of the
country's oil industry locally and internationally.
okubanjo said that the exhibition would provide a
marketplace for sharing ideas and new technology in the oil
industry and commended the efforts of aminu in involving
indigenous entrepreneurs in oil exploration and production.
more than 40 foreign and local oil-producing and allied
companies are participating in the function, which is the first
opf its kind in the country.
the exhibition will be an annual event and the next
function will be held on 16 march next year.
==end
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: vamg6792@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Vincent A Mazzarella)
Subject: UPI: Winnie Mandela resigns ANC
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:06:55 GMT


	JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (UPI) -- Following her separation from
African National Congress leader Nelson Mandela and renewed allegations
of criminal wrongdoing, Winnie Mandela announced Wednesday she was
resigning as head of the ANC social services department.
	``I have asked the ANC to relieve me of my duties as the appointed
head of the department of social welfare as soon as a successor can take
my place,'' Mrs. Mandela told a news conference in Johannesburg.
	``I have taken this step because I consider it to be in the best
interest of the ANC, whose cause and policies I will support until the
end of my life,'' she said.
	A storm burst around Mrs. Mandela in the past two weeks. Monday,
Nelson Mandela announced he was separating from her after 33 years of
marriage, giving no reasons. Almost simultaneously, three co-defendants
of Mrs. Mandela's in a kidnapping trial last year said the facts
accepted by a South African court were wrong.
	Mrs. Mandela, 57, got six years in jail last July for her part in the
kidnapping and beating of four black youths in 1988. Five of those years
were handed out for kidnapping, and only one for being an accessory to
assault.
	But Mrs. Mandela's driver and others alleged later they perjured
themselves at her trial, saying she was actively involved in the attacks
on the youths, whom she accused of having homosexual relations with a
white churchman.
	Nelson Mandela made clear Monday he was not separating from his wife
because of these allegations. An appeal is still pending, but political
analysts have said Mrs. Mandela's delicate legal position is potentially
embarassing for the ANC.
	Mrs. Mandela denied the new allegations Wednesday but said she was
resigning because the accusations made her position -- and that of the
ANC -- difficult.
	She said the accusations were the work of those seeking to undermine
both her and the ANC.
	``Their campaign of vilification has created a difficult situation
for the ANC, my husband as its president, and myself,'' she said.
	Mrs. Mandela was the first black South African to qualify, in the
1950s, as a medical social worker. She married Nelson Mandela in 1958.

-- 
Vincent Mazzarella
College of Medicine, Neuroscience Program
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
e-mail:  mazz@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu  (Internet)