From: hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim)
Subject: The Station of The Bab (Re: A Refutation of Baha'i view....) 10/10
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 28 JAN 93 10:15:40    


Continuation from part 9:

HS>His
HS>apparent insanity saved his life in more than one occasions (5). 

Interestingly enough such an insanity did not save His life in Tabriz.
I wonder why? It is rather interesting to note that at the occasion of
the Martyrdom of The Bab in Tabriz, the choice was given to those in
His presence to recant and leave, as His secretary did according to the 
directives of The Bab. If the Bab was insane and often changed His mind
and recanted, then why did they kill Him along with a companion, while
they let His secretary go unharmed?

HS>(5)* Talkhise Taarikhe Nabil Zarandi;
HS>    Rowdat-ul-Safe Nasiri;
HS>   * Kashf-ul-Gheta'a, p. 204;
HS>    Nasikh-ul-tavaarikh;
HS>    Kavaakeb-ul-durriah (The brilliant stars)

Would you care to present the content of "Kashf-ul-Gheta'a which you have
kindly offered the page number for, and demonstrate for the readership of
this forum HOW you have reached this conclusion!? If not, I will be very
happy to do so.

Let us assume that The Bab is who you claim Him to be and has committed 
what you suggest He has. Proving such a theory using Baha'i sources is
a rather questionable approach. For sure you do not believe that Baha'is
are that mindless to preach something contradictory to their own sources,
do you? I am very interested to know your opinion on this.

HS>His
HS>writings for the illiterate laymen had some effect among the Babis, 

Many of the people who accepted the message of The Ba'b were according to 
Comte de Gobineau among the most intelligent and educated people. He writes:

"Public opinion holds that the Ba'bis are to be found in every social 
class and among the members of every religion with the exception of 
Nusayris and the Christians, but it is especially the EDUCATED  CLASSES, 
THE MEN OF LEARNING who are suspected to of sympathy with Ba'bism. It is 
believed, and with good reasons, that many mullas [i.e. Muslim clergy]  
and among them, outstanding mujtahids, magistrates of high rank, and high 
court officials..., are Ba'bis." 

	('Les Religions et les Philosophies dans l'Asie Centrale' p. 251)

HS>and
HS>they rioted against the government in some cities. In Isfahan, the rio-
HS>ters were aided by Governor Manucher Khan Gurji, a Russian of Armenian
HS>christian origin (6). 

The point which you have totaly missed here is that Manuchir Khan accepts
Islam as a result of meeting with The Bab.

I read the material you have cited in reference 6, and would like to 
respectfully request that you quote the material from Baha'i sources and 
demonstrate your point in a similar style as I have used. If it was not 
for the sake of brevity, I would have presented the Baha'i sources you
have cited in every one of your references to demonstrate the level of 
your knowledge on this topic. I hope you realize that accomplishing such 
a task would require me to compose a book. God willing answer to the
rest of your accusations will be supplied later.

						Part 10 of 10
Warm regards,

Kamran Hakim
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA