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From: jd@slc3.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Alien 3 - A Real Good Movie
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:49:48 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <kjellr-040992141710@pc47.dhhalden.no> kjellr@sofus.dhhalden.no (Kjell Are Refsvik) writes:
>Since the US westcoast release, I have been reading nothing but bad reviews
>and comments on this film. Personally I find it to be a excellent film with
>an "atmosphere" and some really nice shots as well (like when the
>"DoggyAlien" ran through the corridors. Stunning!

	Yea, but it was a bit slow, and the ending was a farce were 'Ripley'
	pretends she is 'jesus christ' or something.
	Good but, not as "EXCELENT" as "ALIENS" which preceded it!

>It was a well worthy end to the best SF plot ever created. Too often we see
>sequels destroying the original. (StarWars etc)

	The "Empire strikes back was better than the first one, and the last
	wasn't bad, but for the out-of-place "Ewok" teddy bears.

>It is sad that the Alien films are history (eg that no more films are going
>to be made) but on the other side it is kind of nice. We've got 3 GOOD
>films.
>I personally am a   G R E A T   fan of the Alien plot. 
>By the way. I hear that a extended version (apx. 20 mins.) of Aliens (2) is
>available on video. Has someone seen this??? Is is worth $30?

	I have SEEN the extended laser-disk version on 'Australian' television
	and believe it is superior to the first version overall. The plot is
	enriched a bit and the picture quality is better (note it is a 70mm
	like pic., that is it doesn't fill the entire TV screen, but who cares
	looks great), only drawback is that some of the suspence is lost 
	since in the first version the viewer does not know of the aliens 
	until the team is ambushed, while in the later version, there is a
	scene where the little girls father has an alien stuck to his face, 
	before the expedition even begins.
								jd
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From: buccb@after.math.uiuc.edu (Carlos Dragonslayer Butler)
Subject: Re: Best shots wanted
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:07:06 GMT

In article <66618@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt4476a@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Alberghini)  
writes:
> 
>      I would like some opinions of what people consider the best shots or
> sequences in movie history.  I don't care about the movie as a whole, just
> specifics.

	Here are a couple more now that I've given it some thought.

The opening sequence of Star Wars. I'd never seen anything like it
when I saw it.
Close Encounters, when the aliens come down.

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From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most Maddening Movie
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:33:35 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

masticol@cadenza.rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola) writes:

>Here's a new topic: which movie made you the angriest? For whatever
>reason.

"Not Without My Daughter"

Based on a true story.  Sally Field accompanies her sweet, loving,
American-Iranian husband to Iran to visit his family for two weeks.  
Once in Iran he tells her that they will remain in Iran forever and
their daughter will be raised in the one true religion.  He beats
her and threatens to kill her.  She has to literally escape with her
life from Iran.

My blood pressure went sky high watching this movie.  I'm sure it
was manipulative but there was an undeniable culture shock.

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From: serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee)
Subject: Re: Best War Movies?
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 18:37:58 GMT

In article <7178.2a9bbe67@dcatla.uucp> cuegf@dcatla.uucp writes:
>
>I liked "Platoon". I think the main character, Chris, was played
>by gary cooper (not the dead one).
>
>
>
>Ed Francell
Are you talking about Oliver Stone's Platoon? If so, the main character was
played by Charlie Sheen (aka as Carlos Estevez).


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My opinions are mine only.
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From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:01:33 GMT

> 	Home Alone was one of those movies I kept hearing was great,
> went to see it, and hated it.  Seems to be a lot of those lately:
> 
> Barton Fink: Had to be the most boring piece of nonsense I've ever
> 	seen. 
> 
> Pump Up the Volume: A few good scenes of Christian Slater doing his
> 	show, but there was no story progression.  There was some evil
> 	principal and evil federal commission thrown in to please the
> 	teenagers, but nothing much else.
> 
> Wayne's World: About the same quality of the new Saturday Night.  It
> 	was funny to start with but the joke ran thin after the first
> 	ten minutes.  I don't even know how it ended, because I fell
>  	asleep.
> 
> Robin Hood: A lot of noise.
> 
> --
> Jason C. Austin
> j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov
> 
===================
I went to see Quintet with Paul Newman. Was shocked at how bad it was...
Was really disappointed in Robin Hood too. Rented RUSH at the video after 
seeming like a month's wait. It never grabbed me the way, for example
Drugstore Cowboy did...


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From: shibe@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Schaible)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 22:02:44 GMT

In article <25406@castle.ed.ac.uk>, cs@met.ed.ac.uk (C Smith) writes:
|> 
|> |> : 
|> |> :  What is the most embarassing movie you have ever seen?  (What I mean by
|> |> :  embarassing, is that you feel absolutely miniscule when the lights come
|> |> :  up and you HAVE to walk out of the theater with every other bonehead
|> |> :  who bought a ticket to this turkey).  Movies on video don't count as
|> |> :  your stupidity is hidden by the walls of your house. :-)
|> |> 

No contest.  STAR CRYSTAL.  This was the worst, cheesiest Alien rip-off I've
ever seen.  If it hadn't been so laughably bad it would have been pure agony.

And the alien!!  Ugh.  Stoopid looking, with two 'o's.  If E.T. had gone to
a mule show and gotten pregnant, and then the offspring were dipped into that
clear gelatin that they pack into tins of Armour ham...well, you get the 
idea.


Legend, with Tom Cruise, was pretty bad, too.  Tim Curry was good, but 
everything else about the movie sucked eggs.


As for "Prospero's Books"--hey, if this was the worst film you've ever seen
in the theater then either you don't get out much or you somehow manage to
see only good films.  The cinematography was the same lush stuff that you
get in a lot of Greenaway's film--great use of color.   And I liked the
emphasis on the Books; I was repeatedly surprised at the way lines from the
text supported their importance.  Granted, Greenaway was taking a slant on 
the text and running with it--but I thought he did a decent job of supporting
his little experiment.  


Eric
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me (*MAJOR SPOILERS*)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 16:40:24 GMT
Organization: WeasElectro Productions: Television/Movies/Comics

kosts@ursa.calvin.edu (Steven Koster) writes:


>>> In the train car, an angel appears and saves Ronette Pulaski.  The
>>> angel appears later in the red room (?)  
>>
>> The angel is Laura. 
>
> No, no, no. The angels are not Laura, Annie, or anyone else we know.  

I really hate to disappoint you, Steven, but you're *wrong*.  There's a
still of the "angel-in-the-train-car" scene in the booklet of the soundtrack
CD and it's definitely, unmistakably Laura.

Go watch the movie again.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Why the title Notorious?
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:41:18 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <7961@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> kwilliam@mott.seas.ucla.edu (William Kuan) writes:
>
>	I am wondering why Hitchcock's Notorious is titled Notorious?
>Anybody know?

   Don't you think she was?  Ingrid Bergman, that is.  It *was* Ingrid
   Bergman wasn't it?  

   She played the role of the daughter of a reputed spy, and as a result
   of the *notoriety* was able to take up convincingly (for the government, 
   and with just the *teensiest* amount of coersion) the life of a double 
   agent herself.  Something like that, it's been awhile.

   Wayne
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From: colinm@max.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen)
Subject: Re: great voices
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:09:40 GMT

Yul Brynner!

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From: maus@fid.morgan.com (Malcolm Austin)
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:26:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.172550.28784@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.95028.26895@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>>Explicit sexual scenes break down
>>the aesthetic distance which the movie should have established.
>>Take a realtive modest sex scene in the movie LA Story where Steve
>>Martin simply holds the (clothed) breast of Sara Jessica Parker. That is
>>a real hand holding a real breast. For a moment we are not watching
>>a character in a story, we are watching two human beings with
>>families, longings, histories etc. 
>
[deletion]

>>For a moment, the movie stops
>>and reality intrudes. Real marriages have foundered upon the
>>sexual conduct which actors and actresses have depicted for
>>the screen.
>
>Why is sexual conduct any different than other human activities,
>in this regard?  Applying this standard, might not any scene of
>a death be regarded as breaking the spell of a film, as certainly
>death is a more traumatic experience in most people's lives than
>sex is?  So are we to hide any deaths from the camera?  How about
>a wedding?  That's pretty important and life-changing in the real
>world, certainly more so than fondling a woman's breast.  Will the
>depiction of this extremely important event cause viewers to step
>outside the film and say, "wait a second, real lives have been changed
>by the social conduct which actors and actresses have depicted
>for the screen"?

While I do not completely agree with what Jeff Davis has posted, I think
you have misconstrued it.

The difference between what he is describing and your examples of
deaths and marriages is that the actors do not actually die or get
married in such scenes, while a scene involving sexual fondling (for
lack of a better term) actually requires the actors to, well,
sexually fondle.

Certainly a movie is which people really died during death scenes,
or really got married, gave birth, etc. would affect us differently
than do movies in which we know what we are seeing is fake.  This
would be true even if the "real event" scenes were incorporated into
a fictionalized plot (like setting a scene of a film at a real
wedding).  If we knew that the event was real and not faked, the
duality of the event, reality layered onto fiction, changes the
way we perceive the movie.  Another example of this would be if
we were watching a film with an actor we knew personally, or
some cameo roles, as in THE PLAYER.

This duality may or may not have a pleasing aesthetic effect.

What Jeff is saying, I think, is that he views scenes such as the
one in L.A. STORY that he describes, as having this effect, and
he feels this distracts from the movie.  I think he has a good
point.

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From: buccb@after.math.uiuc.edu (Carlos Dragonslayer Butler)
Subject: Re: Dracula
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:23:19 GMT

In article <2716@nlsun1.oracle.nl> gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)  
writes:
> kathyli@sdcrsi.cray.com (the Rev. Mom) writes...
> 
> > Oldman makes a great giant bat, old Dracula, young Dracula, prince
> > Dracul, Vlad the Impaler, mist and about a gazillion other
> > forms. :-)
> 
> > The script had been brought to Coppola by Winona Ryder, and it
> > differs from the book mostly in that it ties in Vlad the Impaler
> > and his wife's death in an initial scene (Winona Ryder gets to lie
> > like a corpse while blood pours down all over her.)
> 
>    I don't get this. Vlad the Impaler and Count Dracula have absolutely
> no connection between them at all, except (possibly) christian names.
> Why do their names keep appearing together? Why is Vlad the Impaler
> relevant to "Bram Stoker's Dracula". VtI is fact, Dracula is inspired
> fiction, that's all.

If Vlad the Impaler is the same as Prince Vlad of Wallachia, I beg to
differ. From the OED2:
 "Prince Vlad of Wallachia, who died in 1476, was also known as `Dracula'
(spelt in various ways, e.g. Ladislaus Drakula, Wladislaus Dragwlya).   Times
Lit. Suppl. 22 Oct. 1971, p. 1336."
 
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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:41:43 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


garyb@lclark.edu (Gary Bliefernich) writes:

>In one word, "C.H.U.D."
>
>(wretch, wretch, cold sweat, vomit)  God it was bad./gb

I _enjoyed_ C.H.U.D.  Wouldn't recommend it, but I thought it was fun.
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                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
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From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: Woody and Mia
Date: 24 Aug 92 21:17:29 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: thank heaven for little girls

In article <asuccop.714452224@milton> asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop) writes:
>
>	why is this thread on alt.polyamory?

     For the same reason it's on alt.wanted.moslem.gay - the
original poster is a twit who thinks he's cute.


>	& what nitwit thinks childabuse is a joke?

     Which child abuse are we talking about?  The only claims I've
heard so far have been completely unsubstantiated and appear to
have been dropped.  Which still isn't funny, but isn't necessarily
child abuse.
     But to answer your question:  The twit in question is
	   zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)

					-Phil
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From: nancyl@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup)
Subject: great voices
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:18:24 GMT

My suggestions as great voices:  Richard Burton and Colleen Dewhurst.
(Her commercial doing the voiceover for Amtrak a few years ago was
fabulous.)
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From: k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (ce)
Subject: Re: The Buddy Holly Story
Keywords: some background info, please
Organization: Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH, Hamburg
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 06:46:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.130849.5150@infonode.ingr.com> margaret@infonode.ingr.com (Margaret Wiginton) writes:
>I just saw The Buddy Holly Story for the first time, and I
>liked it a lot.  I thought Gary Busey did a nice job.  Anyway, 
>now I'm wondering ... how accurate is the movie?  And, what
                           ^^^^^^^^
The answer is, apparently, not very...Holly's widow, who is still alive
had a great deal of input to the film and from what i've heard, had veto
authority over the script. Consequently, she didn't let anything into the
film that would cast Buddy in a bad light.


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From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Subject: Re: Film with the least actors
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:59:58 GMT

The movie 'Jonathan Livingstone Seagull' has no actors at all (apart
from a couple of fishemen seen in the opening shot, and a narrator)
Though I'm not sure if this is a bona fide movie or a TVM.

Daniel.
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From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Curt Tsui)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:34:46 GMT

sboiarsk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  writes:
> Either Warlock, or High Lander II. Both because of the anticipation factor 
> involved, and because I had to drag other people to see both movies. Boy was I 
> red. I had seen trailers for Warlock years before it came out, and asked all my
> friends to join me for the ritualistic first showing in town. I almost lost 
> some friends. Same with HL II, fortunately, I was only one of many shmucks in 
> the theatre who had been led in like lambs to slaughter.
> 
> Sean Boiarski

Agreed on both counts.  I kept thinking about getting up and
leaving during both but thought that just *maybe* the movies
would get better.  Unfortunately they were pure shit through
and through.
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From: k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (ce)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Cast of Dracula
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:44:50 GMT
Organization: Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH, Hamburg

In article <1992Sep3.060100.9783@news.Hawaii.Edu> teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.154305.1@dac.mdcbbs.com> asr_2@dac.mdcbbs.com writes:
>>> Jonathan Harker: Keanu Reeves
>>>    (_Point Break_, _Dangerous Liaisons_)
>>  They must have needed a moron, he will basically have to play himself.
>>  After such a stellar cast selection did they really need to this, I 
>>  can't recall his character, but I hope he is short lived.
>> 
>>  Asim
>>  ..looking forward to Dracula..and the woman who flamed me last time
>>  please reply I missed it, and would like the amusement of you trying
>>  to impress me with Keanu Reeves acting ability.  
>                                   ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
>
>Who says I watch him for his acting ability? :) He may be a moron, but
>he makes me drool and want to tug at my clothes!
>            ^^^^^             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Net if you contribute generously we may be able
to stamp out this horrible disease in our lifetime!
Won't you please help Lani grow up to be...Keanu Free?...:) :)

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From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: great voices
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:35:08 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

|In article <1992Aug30.181846.4799@access.digex.com>, huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
|> Glynis Johns (_No Highway in the Sky_ based on a novel by Nevil Shute)
|> Lauren Bacall (any of the four with Bogart)
|> Tallulah Bankhead (_Lifeboat_)
|> Judy Holliday (_Born Yesterday_)
|_____
|How did I forget Kristi Ally and Amy Irving...

	Ronald Coleman
	James Mason
	John Carradine

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From: ataylor@agsm.ucla.edu (Al Taylor)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner II
Distribution: rec.arts.movies
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:54:27 PDT

bov@x.co.uk (Andy Bovingdon) writes:

>In this weeks copy of NME (New Musical Express) here in the UK, was
>an artical about Gerade Depardieu (sp?) mentioning he is talking to
>Ridley Scott about possible films Rasputin and Blade Runner 2. I found
>this quite interesting, if not a little worrying. Has anyone else heard
>anything about this? 

I recently noticed that they are re-releasing a "Director's Cut" version
to theatres in LA. Does anybody know if this is a different "Director's 
Cut" version then the one that has been hitting the art houses this past 
year and half ago? I 've already seen that one.

thanks

al			ataylor@agsm.ucla.edu