HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: SASAKI@RHODES.BITNET
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Reitaku Daigaku
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:14:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: bloom-be.9210100013.AA11552
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20: 13:47 TZONE

Could you drop me a line if you know the address of Reitaku Daigaku?

Thank you in advance.

Y.S.
From: ucbked@athena (Earl H. Kinmonth)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: kanji for today and tomorrow
Date: 16 Oct 1992 19:41:39 GMT
Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena.berkeley.edu

in response to my criticism of "kanji of the day" as a learning
methodology, several posters have lamented the lack of materials that
are simple enough to not discourage without being so simple as to bore
adults.

one item that i have found useful not only for teaching but to teach
myself vocabulary in a new area is the Asahi Junior Nenkan.  These are
a set of yearbooks, one for the social sciences and one for the
physical sciences.  all kanji are glossed so you can use a romaji
dictionary for lookup.  the style is somewhat controlled, journalistic
without the odd ball and trendy terms one gets in adult newspapers.

i heartily recommend this series.  the glossing is especially handy
for learning new proper nouns.
-- 
earl h. kinmonth, centre for japanese studies, university of sheffield,
sheffield, england s10 2tn  jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk
From: nakano@suncom1.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp (NAKANO Yasuaki)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Heian Alphabet
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:02:32 GMT
Reply-To: nakano@suncom1.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp (NAKANO Yasuaki)
Organization: Dept. of Information Engineering, Shinshu Univ.,500 wakasato, Nagano, Japan

In article <1992Oct7.161159.1@sissa.it> radikkio@sissa.it writes:
>	There are five novels written in the early years of Mishima's life 
>(1940-43). The fourth of these novels, entitled "Yoyo ni nikosan", has 
>something curious. There are 27 chapters and each of them is named with a 
>sign coming from the Heian alphabet (First is "i", second is "ro", then 
>"ha", "ni", "ho", etc.).Is there a particular meaning? Or it is just a 
>strange way to name the chapters of a book?

This is "iroha", a famous poem written with all kana characters,
each of which is used once and oly once. "Iroha" had been used in
children education for long years. I don't know if it is taught in
public schools now.

 i ro ha ni ho he to, ti ri nu ru wo,
wa ka yo ta re so   , tu ne na ra mu,
 u wi no  o ku ya ma, ke hu ko  e te,
 a sa ki yu me mi si, we hi mo se su. 

Of course, some of these characters are not used now. It must be
noted that there were no differences between voiced characters and
unvoiced ones in this period. (Nowadays, we distinguish them using
"dakuten", or a sonant mark).
-- 
Yasuaki NAKANO
nakano@wakasato.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Nihonjin In American Films
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:09:45 GMT
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: CM11976@SWTEXAS.BITNET's message of 8 Oct 92 03:44:00 GMT

In article <9210080346.AA18314@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> CM11976@SWTEXAS.BITNET
   writes:

 =}I'm wondering, how do the people on this list feel about the way Japanese
 =}people are portrayed in American films (or any other creative medium, for
 =}that matter)?

   I feel that it isn' much different from the way other ethnic groups
are portrayed in US films.  In most films, stereotypes abound...  mythology
is presented as truth...  the characters are pretty lifeless otherwise.

   Occaisionally a decent film will use realistic non-American characters.

 =}Has anyone ever seen a Japanese film with American
 =}characters in it?  How are they portrayed?

   I've watched a few.  But like US films, the non-Japanese characters
are usually stereotyped, mythbound and lifeless...  Again, there are
occaisional films which are decent.

 =}From what I've seen, and this is a big generalization here, Japanese people
 =}are either portrayed as grim/psychotic yakuza types, or friendly little
 =}guys who become flustered and clumsy when faced with the complexities of
 =}big, bad American culture (Ever see "Gung Ho"?).

   You forgot the "Ninja" and "Samurai" portrayals (martial arts and honor
mythology and stereotypes)...

 =}I always feel a little
 =}embarrassed when I see stuff like this, and have often wondered what
 =}Japanse people think when they see it.  (I haven't seen "Mr. Baseball"
 =}and don't how it treats the Japanese people.  Anyone out there seen it?).

   I haven't seen it either.  I often hear the following comments from my
Japanese friends when we watch foreign made films involving Japan:

	That's not the way things are...
	Things aren't like that anymore...
	Nobody is like that...

   These same comments appear when watching Japanese films with my non-
Japanese films...
From: jonwd@uwtc.washington.edu (Jon Wiederspan)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: FTP Site Update
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:20:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.162018.7896
Organization: Technical Japanese Program
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6FEF12F0802CA3F@harajuku.tjp.washington.edu>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:09:03 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

ftp.uwtc.washington.edu (128.95.202.40) is an anonymous ftp site
primarily dedicated to
Japanese language software for Macintosh, Sun, and IBM PC-compatible
computers.

There has been a recent change to this site.  Beginning Friday, October
9th I have added
connection logging to the site.  This site will try to obtain an address
for your machine and
log that address when you connect.  This was added to help me track the
number of users
accessing the site, average connect time, and to provide some measure of
added security.
If you have any problems connecting to the site, or find that your
connection has slowed down
significantly, please send e-mail to me describing the problem, your
machine/OS/comm 
configuration, and when you tried to connect.

I am also open to suggestions for software or text additions to the site.
 We have recently
added a member to our staff who will, hopefully, be able to write some
idiot-proof instructions
for loading the various software packages.  If such instructions already
exist at another site,
or if you are willing to help along these lines, please let me know.

Thank you to everyone who has already helped with donations of software
and helpful 
suggestions!

Jon Wiederspan
jonwd@uwtc.washington.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: Answer to Nihongo dictionary: suggestions .
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:47:14 GMT

djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:

>>Takahashi's Pocket Romanized Japanese-English Dictionary

>Any that aren't romanized?
>-- 
>Darin Johnson
>djohnson@ucsd.edu  --  How come my mind went off for lunch before I did?


I particularly like _Takahashi's Pocket Romanized Japanese-English Dictionary_,
but I also use Shogakukan Progressive Japanese-English Dictionary which is
not romanized and is more extensive also.


Charlie

P.S. I just got in from a weekend in Tokyo and will have a report on the 
Canon Wordtank (7200) shortly.

-- 
*****************************************************************************
*  Charles Richmond 	Integrated International Systems Corporation        *
*  cmr@world.std.com	(Temporary) cmr@koneko.shr.dec.com		    *
*  Specializing in UNIX, X, Image Processing, and Communications.           *
From: dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Nihonjin In American Films
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:25:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <9210081407.AA10666@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
>Chris--I think you''re right about the portrayal of Japanese in American
>films and TV. I've observed that even in purportedly "enlightened" television
>shows like "thirtysomething" and """Twin Peaks,"" Japanese characters are
				     ^^^^ ^^^^^
>portrayed either as buffoons or evil manipulators. (Not to mention books like
>Rising Sun, and all the paperback thrillers about corporate ninja, etc.)
>However, my experience in Japan was that Japanese film and TV bow to no one
>in their racist portrayals of foreigners. One good example would be the
>segment of Morita's "Bakayaro" about the salaryman who's being transferred to
>the US. I'm sure other people on the list will have thoughts on this. Good
>luck.

	Huh?  I don't think there were any Japanese characters in Twin Peaks.
Are you thinking of Josie and the guy who followed her around?  They were from
Hong Kong.

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Xref: sparky sci.lang.japan:4437 fj.sys.mac:2305
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan,fj.sys.mac
Subject: Re: Help me Get NewReader Working, PLEASE!-); from ftp.*.washington
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:11:19 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Oct15.030116.43859@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> I need help getting NewsReader running.  I've read through the
> instructions and must be totally confused as I've had no luck getting
> in running.
> 
> Could someone tell me:
> a) What files (names as they seem to be hardwired for the startup
>   file) are needed including a brief explanation of what is contained in
>   the file with maybe an example.
> b) how to configure the program once inside, ie. I don't understand
>   what they mean by defining the NNTP_server then defining separate mail
>   and newgroups servers?
> 
> So far I've edited a file Hosts in the startup drawer with ip
> addresses like the account I'm on now kuhub.cc.ukans.edu tried it
> again with *.active on the end, edited files with the kuhub.*.active
> with newsgroups that I want fj.whatevers, as well as trying to define
> the servers inside the program by giving the kuhub.cc.ukans.edu to the
> dialog window.
> 
> For the record the machines I've tried it on do have Kanjitalk 6.0.7
> and all are connected to an internet network with MacTCP.  They all do
> NCSATelnet fetch and all the other goodies just fine.  I would really
> like to get this working too.

BTW, the program may be obtained at U. of Washington's anonymous ftp
site...
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china
From: 6o25@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones)
Subject: Hiragana/Katakana/Kanji book recommendations wanted...
Keywords: language characters protoculture
Organization: Super Dimension Fortress - Public Acess Unix - Dallas, Tx.. 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:18:31 GMT

Hello... I am interested in learning the japanese and chinese language.
(well, attempt it anyways)  I would like any recomendations on books
for written/spoken language.

THank you!
 


-- 
Stephen M. Jones (214)436-4622 
SysAdmin <-> Super Dimension Fortress PAU 
6o25@sdf.lonestar.org
From: 9127526@ul.ie
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Usenet as a language learning tool (was Re: kanji of the day ?48
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:39:34 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <1b51bjINN69r@agate.berkeley.edu>, ucbked@athena (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes:

> anyone who gets off on individual kanji will NOT learn to READ
> japanese well, perhaps not even learn to read it all.
> 
> [ . . . stuff deleted . . .]
>
> the time spent typing in ascii characters to produce crude
> renderings of kanji would pay more dividends if devoted to
> reading....
> 
I had some high hopes after coming back from the summer break regarding 
my study of the japanese language. I would start to read the newsgroups
and subscribe to some .fj ones. I can see some very great advantages in
using these electronic forms as a means of supplementing language learning,
but I must agree with Earl, when he says that things like Kanji of the 
Day are of limited value. This is especially true with a beginner such as 
myself.

What I would personally find much more useful would be a simple, or not-so-
simple japanese text with a commentary on any grammatical constructions
which are difficult for the newcomer. Unfortunately, such a posting would
require much effort when compared to collation of Kanji from various sources
(no disrespect to the authors, I'm sure it's hard work in itself), and
of course, the texts would have to be aimed at some specific level of
language ability, thus eliminating 90% of the potential audience. Coupled
to that is the fact that people will be doing their own studies either
in a class environment or whatever, and any practical texts would soon
diverge from the course structure being followed by the student.

These are my views on the matter, but I don't see that there can be any
great advances in meeting the requirements of large numbers of students
without some tremendous effort and co-ordination. What I would like to
see, however, is short pieces of text taken from everyday japanese
sources, such as newspapers or magazines, childrens books, etc.
Even if there is no commentary on the text, the students can find their
own level of understanding of it, and through a real learning process,
come to improve their language skills.

I don't know if such mailing lists exist, but I think it would be a 
worthwhile endeavour.

Any comments would be appreciated. As I've said, these are just mine, and
they're as much to do with the net as an educational tool as anything else.

Declan Malone, 9127526@itd1.ul.ie	- or -	maloned@itdsrv1.ul.ie
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &)
Subject: Re: kanji of the day ?48
Organization: KIT Iizuka, AI Dept, JAPAN.
	<jwb.718354466@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au>
	<1b51bjINN69r@agate.berkeley.edu>
	<HARKCOM.92Oct12143900@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:13:10 GMT


With respect of the opinions of the senseis :)

In article <HARKCOM.92Oct12143900@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp> harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom) writes:

> =}i imagine that what i am going to say next will start a flame
> =}war, but so be it.
>
>   You couldn't imagine that it might start some intelligent rebuttal?

This is not my part of the flame war, but...

The "Kanji of the day" are FUNNY and INTERESTING. For me, a student of
Japanese (very beginner), are very useful. If somebody does not wants
to read them, use the killfile, but not blame them. 
I agree that only reading kanji and meanings are not enough to master
japanese, but since I have to learn them, it is better for me to do it
in a "light" way.

[stuff deleted]

> =}if you want to read japanese, read it!  and, do not spend your
> =}time telling other people about your efforts!
(another guy wrote it - Not Prof. Harkcom)

That is not fair ! Some people (say for myself, but know others) 
had no access (sp?) to classes with professors. I have to learn
by myself and I am very glad I can count with friends that
answer my silly beginner's questions. If I had soe experience that
will help someone in the same conditions (or better, or worst) I 
will be very glad to help.

I will soon download all "Kanji of the day" series - where is the
ftp, anyway ?

>Al

Uh, sorry, Prof. Harkcom, but why you wrote "kanzi" instead of "kanji" ?
Just curious...

Rafael.
From: bl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Bo-Yi Lin)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: tohp and jis48
Date: 15 Oct 1992 05:12:16 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

	Will it be legal for me to modify TOHP to print using jis48?  If so,
roughly what should be done?  I've looked over the source and I can't say
that I understood it very well.  If it's not legal, is there anything that
uses jis48?


-- 
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Bo-Yi Lin (bl@ocf.berkeley.edu)
Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
University of California at Berkeley
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: xyang@ACS.UCALGARY.CA
Subject: Re: Japan carrear forrum
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:15:34 GMT

The number is;
1-800-999-0179

hope this hlpes.

X. Jie
Xref: sparky sci.lang.japan:4375 rec.arts.manga:1208
From: mcastro@iris-dcp.es
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan,rec.arts.manga
Subject: Shirou/Shirow ?
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:04:08 GMT
Organization: REDIRIS, Red Nacional de I+D

In article <1992Oct6.123351.27308@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
 mdavis@alex (m davis) writes:

>From the electrons of another manga lover...
>*************************** "Leaving the nest and killing your parents are
>*    Matthew A. Davis     *  two different things."
>* (aka Prince Nematocyst) *                   -Masamune Shirou
>*   mdavis@trinity.edu    *                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>*************************** 

I think someone may have already asked about the correct/real name
of the creator of Appleseed, Orion, etc. :

     Shirow or Shirou ?

It seems to me that Shirou is correctly written, and Shirow is phoneticaly 
correct too.
                                                        man.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: y0l8009@tamsun.tamu.edu (Yoshih Lee)
Subject: Re: Reading and understanding kanji/kanzi
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:54:05 GMT

A related example was presented to me in mail about the word "tegami", which
is made up of the two kanji "te" HAND and "kami" PAPER.  In Japanese, it
means "letter" (e.g. written).  In Chinese, however, the meaning is like
"paper used by/for hands", which is pretty much translates in Chinese minds
to "toilet paper".  My parents thought that it was the funniest thing when
I told them what the kanji meant to Japanese.

Back to the question at hand: Chinese han4zi4 can be divided up into 
nouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs, a few unusuals that may act as either
nouns or verbs, and these characters are learned as such.  How are kanji
taught in Japan?  All the English texts I've seen treat each character as
having "this-kinda-meaning" -- most etymological in approach, but doesn't
focus on "how" they are used in compounds to create the meanings.  Just like
the example above, kanji compounds could have different meanings in different
grammatical/cultural environments such as China and Japan.

Curious and confused,


Eugene Lee
y0l8009@tamsun.tamu.edu

Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: lpoza@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Luis Poza)
Subject: Re: Nihonjin In American Films
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:29:59 GMT


 >  I've observed that even in purportedly "enlightened" television
 >  shows...Japanese characters are portrayed either as buffoons or
 >  evil manipulators.

Look forward then to next February's BABYLON 5 on the new Warner's
Network; it's about a space station where the 2nd-in-command (who really
runs the place) is of Japanese descent.  Commander Laurel Takashima will
be played by Tamilyn Tomita.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: fonts for kterm.
From: kxharada@ualr.edu
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:47:42 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

Hi there.

Maybe I am asking a stupid question.....please forgive meeeee.... 

I have been trying to install Kterm in our system (ULTRIX V4.2A).
Then I have come up with questions which about the kterm fonts...
Does anyone know what kind of fonts is the standard and where I can 
get it (using ftp or whatever).

If anyone knows about it, pleae e-mail me......

Thank you in advance.  :))

Kyoko Harada.
e-mail address: kxharada@ualr.edu (kxharada@tucana.ualr.edu)
From: SASAKI@RHODES.BITNET
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Japanese minor vs. Japanese study minor
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:40:13 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 16: 39:45 TZONE

Our college is currently granting a Japanese minor degree, but its existence
is in danger because none of the faculty members can teach Japanese literature
courses, which are requirements of the degree. We are thinking of two options:

1. Change the Japanese minor degree code so that students can obtain a minor
by taking Japanese history, politics and economy courses rather than literature.
2. Freeze the Japanese minor degree for a while and start a new Japanese study
minor degree, whose requirement can be met by taking Japanese history, politics
and economy courses.

(In any event, they have to take Japanese language courses up to 302).

The choice between these two plans would depend on the following two issues:

A) Is it inadequate (or at least uncommon) to grant a Japanese minor degree
without a requirement of a Japanese literature course?

B) Is a Japanese study minor less appealing than a Japanese minor, in the
eyes of potential employers when it is placed on resume?

I would appreciate your suggestions.

Y.S.
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: kanji of the day ?48
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:44:08 GMT
	<jwb.718354466@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au>
	<1b51bjINN69r@agate.berkeley.edu>
	<HARKCOM.92Oct12143900@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp>
	<SANTOS.92Oct12201310@melon.mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp's message of 12 Oct 92 11:13:10 GMT

In article <SANTOS.92Oct12201310@melon.mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp>
   santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &) writes:

 =}(another guy wrote it - Not Prof. Harkcom)

   I'm just a lowly systems engineer...

 =}That is not fair ! Some people (say for myself, but know others) 
 =}had no access (sp?) to classes with professors. I have to learn
 =}by myself and I am very glad I can count with friends that
 =}answer my silly beginner's questions. If I had soe experience that
 =}will help someone in the same conditions (or better, or worst) I 
 =}will be very glad to help.

   Good argument.  And there are also people with access to the net,
but no real access to Japanese texts that are at a useful level for them.
And some people only want to learn the kanzi (not reading in general).

 =}but why you wrote "kanzi" instead of "kanji" ?
 =}Just curious...

   I have a thing against romanization :)  So I don't bother worrying
about being 'politically' correct or even consistent in my use of it.
Since "kanzi" is what I type when using a roma-kana converter then
it comes out the easiest and therefore gets used the most.

   "zi" is OK to use as it gives consistency to the "sa" line of kanas.
"sa si su se so" becomes "za zi zu ze zo" (though its pronunciation is
"ji")...