From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: THIRD TRIMESTER ABORTIONS
Keywords: From: decay@
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:55:50 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <nyikos.715037146@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
#In <BtM9BC.7sq.2@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
##In article <nyikos.714853495@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
###In <1992Aug24.222123.25747@watson.ibm.com> Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com> writes:
##[text deleted]
#
#Talking about the Becky Bell case:
#
####What I heard was that it was pneumonia caused by a septic abortion.
###
###What I heard was that it was pneumonia caused by vomit going back down
###the wrong way, said vomit being caused by the drugs she was taking
###recreationally.
#
##What the death certificate says is this:  "septic abortion with
##pneumonia."
#
#Does it say the two were connected, and which was the cause of death?

Under cause of death, the death certificate says "septic abortion
with pneumonia."  I am reporting it verbatim.

##Nyikos vile accusation originates with Willke and the NRLC.  The
##coroner who performed the autopsy has stated publicly that he
##does not believe Willke's fantasy about how Ms. Bell died, and
##that Willke's fantasy is not based on medical evidence.
#
#Publicly? Where?

On "60 Minutes", for one.

##Some fools will continue to give voice to the lies of a twisted
##old man, but the facts remain.
#
#I'll need to see them to make a judgment.  I have a very open mind on this
#case, by the way.  In the Spring 1991 _Issues in Science and Technology_
#(a national magazine available, I hope, in most university libraries
#despite its biases) I wrote the following:

You have an open mind, but you repeat Willke's slurs in a public
forum.  Right.  

#    O'Keeffe and Jones...treat as undisputed fact the claim that Becky Bell
#    "died from an abortion obtained outside the health care system," even
#    using it to support an *ad hominem* attack on the alleged "lack of
#    real concern for the health and well-being of pregnant adolescents
#    by those opposed to abortion."  In fact, pro-life organizations such
#    as Birthright have given great moral and material support to pregnant
#    adolescents.
#
#	John C. Willke, the focus of the attack, has made a case that
#    (1) Becky Bell's "abortion" was a miscarriage, not induced; and
#    (2) that the cause of death was a lung infection brought on by drug-
#    taking, not the "abortion".  His case is still open to debate, but
#    it is certainly much better documented in his published writings 
#    than anything in the O'Keeffe/Jones article.

This was a letter to the editor, right?  I'll look it up.

#So there you have it, Susan.  I have had no new info on this case one way
#or the other until you made your claim above.  Please proceed.

Death certificates are part of the public record, Nyikos.  If you feel
a need to pry further into someone's personal tragedy, you can
obtain a copy of the death certificate yourself.  You call Willke's
argument-with-an-agenda "better documented."   Did it not
include the coroner's report and the death certificate?

There's been a great deal written about Ms. Bell, Nyikos.  Most
of it appeared in the conventional press.  Have you read anything
other than Willke's claims and the magazine referenced above?

Susan
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