From: gromyko@sputnik.rhein-main.de (Michael Grom)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:   Amiga Future?!?
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:43:23 GMT
Organization: private Amiga Site

In article <1992Jul21.121203.981@nic.unh.edu> pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) writes:
>In article <gromyko.03o4@sputnik.rhein-main.de> gromyko@sputnik.rhein-main.de (Michael Grom) writes:
>
>[lots of criticism of Windows 3.0 deleted]
>
>But wait.  Nobody said you have to run Windows to have a useful
>system.  I know a few people who are still using 8088 systems and are
>quite happy running WordPerfect, Lotus, etc., on them.  These packages
>run just fine, and are quite powerful and useful.
>
Your are right. These machines run above mentioned software nicely.
386' and above may run the same software. More likely, they run
Windows. Windows performs very poor even with better equipment.
It may perform sufficiently with better graphics boards, e.g.
TIGA etc.
IMHO, the Amiga performs better due to its clever concept.

>You didn't require your old mainframe in the example above to run a
>windowing system and the latest software, so why do you assume that a
>PC has to run the latest windowing systems and software to be useable?
I am far away making such assumptions. Usability is related to a
particular problem, IMHO. As Personal Computers claim to be kind of
all-purpose computers, we have to compare micros against micros.

>(Of course all the hackers will scream - It has to have preemptive
>multitasking and a good API and a flat memory model with extensible
>microkernel architecture!)
>
>>Since we are in the age of Windows, PCs and clones need
>>
>>	* faster CPUs to execute slow code
>>
>>	* faster graphic boards to display colorful imagery.
>>
>>	* bigger harddisk to store your few Windows Apps on
>>
>>	* faster harddisks to speed up swapping
>>
>>        * more RAM to prevent Windows from doing the latter
>>
>
>All of this is available for well under $2500 from a top-notch dealer
>(Dell 486P/33 - 486DX-33, 4MB RAM, 170MB 17ms HD, SVGA, $2199)

Nice price. But 4MB isn't enough to run Windows sufficiently. As I have
mentioned earlier, to speed up graphic you need an 'intelligent' graphics
board.  This will easily exceed the amount of $2199 :)

>
>>The most of my collegues have clones, for a few simple reasons:
>>
>>        * they are cheap
>
>Your colleagues or their clones?  If the former, you are full of it.
>If the latter, that's a pretty good reason for most average-income
>people.
I consider the most of the PC clones to be cheap.
Sorry for being ambiguous. :D

>
>>
>>        * they all come with Windows, the GUI for novices ;-),
>>          regardless how low equipped an Windows-unusable the
>>          particular machine is.
>
>Would you rather *not* have them bundle Windows, thus getting less for
>your money?
I appreciate 'free' software, too! It's the dissapointing fact that in most
of all cases the hardware sold together with Windows is not capable
of running Windows without pain. Even the smallest Amiga
(except the 256K A1000 ;) ) can run its GUI with no pain.

>
>>        * they can run the software their users
>>          probably have pirated at the office
>
>What crap.  Typical *.advocacy whining.  Says nothing about the
>hardware.  It only attacks the users.
>

If typical *.advocacy whining bothers you, why don't you leave? -
Hold it, I'm just kidding :D

Well, I have the impression that the opportunity to run business software
at home ist of great inportance to the PC user.


PC Users apart from piracy, please accept my apologies!

>>PPS:	Only PC users appear absolutely narrow-minded an intolerant to
>>        me. "What? You have an Amiga - hahaha!"
>
>Check out some of the morons who've started an Amiga flamewar on
>comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc recently.  It's not hard to find fools among the
>*.advocacy crowd.  This is hardware independent.

regards,
	Michael
>--
>Niven's Law #14:   There exist minds that think as well as you do, but
>                   differently.
>Niven's Corollary: The gene-tampered turkey you're talking to isn't
>                   necessarily one of them.


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