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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:36:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <26527@optima.cs.arizona.edu> curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson) writes:
>SuperBowl evidence shows that one team in the NFC is better than 
>the best of the AFC, e.g., that there exists a superior team and
>that team just happens to come from the NFC.  It has yet to be 
>demonstrated how SuperBowl evidence alone confers any special 
>status on the rest of the NFC (or even the best of the NFC).
That's all right. What do you think the best of NFC means? It means
the 49ers in 84, the Bears in 85, the Giants in 86 .....

As far as the rest of NFC (playoff teams) are concerned, that's only
my opinion because the NFC runners-up didn't play the AFC champs to 
settle "who's #2?"

I mean, let's cut this "xFC as a conference" and "best of xFC" craps.
Why don't we use the more precise term "xFC champs".  Do you still doubt
the claim "NFC champs > AFC champs"?

>Lemma: The Cardinals will suck anywhere you put them in the AFC
>Proof: Do I really need any?  Just two words: Bill Bidwell.
>
>Lemma2: Put the 49ers anywhere in the AFC and SuperBowls will still 
>        result in blowouts.
>Proof: See NFC championship evidence.
Disproof: the 49ers are not in the AFC. Isn't that a fact? 
So this lemma has nothing to do with the claim "NFC champs > AFC champs".

>Only you have introduced the claim that the best of the NFC taken
>as a group (read playoff teams) is better than the best of the AFC
>taken as a group (read playoff teams) over the past 5-8 years.  
The best of the NFC taken as a group in the past 5-8 years were the
past 5-8 NFC champions. 

>Guess I missed it, what is special about the N preceeding an FC that
>makes a team more likely to win a SuperBowl?
Nothing special, just a little fact of dominance that we love to
bring up every year to infuriate our AFC little brothers. Guess every
year they have to come up with strawman arguments (conference as
a whole, etc.) to rebute.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: klbartle@david.wheaton.edu (Kevin Bartlett)
Subject: Re: intentional grounding (Re: Bills vs. Dolphins)
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:45:39 GMT

When the intentional grounding came about, it was to prevent qb's from
ditching the ball to avoid a sack.  A necessary condition (to discern when the
qb was doing this) was the eligible receiver bit.  If the ball was going
towards an eligible receiver, the assumption goes, it must be a pass, not
grounding.  Nowadays, coaches and qb's have gotten smart enough to leave an
elligible receiver in on some plays, whether a RB or a TE, to block and stay on 
the line of scrimmage.  When the qb gets in trouble, he can then throw the 
ball three feet in front of himself, call it a pass, and avoid losing yards 
on a sack.  Even if the said receiver is engaged in other activities, such 
as _blocking_.

The rule needs to be changed.  How can a pass to a player who is blocking a
linebacker be considered a pass?  What's he supposed to do, catch it in his
butt?  The call needs to be left up to the judgment of the referees as to
whether or not the ball can be considered a pass.

					. . . the Mantis
					      (Evinrood)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: kellyb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu
Subject: Re: Learn How to Spell, First (was: BUFFALO Sucks)
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:02:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.182518.22765@pellns.alleg.edu>, d'mayeur@tier.key.edu writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.014720.9376@math.ucla.edu> ashamam@oak.math.ucla.edu  
> (Asher Shamam) writes:
>> 
>> Two things come from Buffallo...steers and queers
>> 
>> The bills have no horns
>> 
> 	Before you even ATTEMPT to criticize a team, why don't you at  
> least learn to SPELL the name of their city correctly?
> 	At least this way people won't think you are COMPLETELY ignorant.

      Skrew speling eye thinc itts ovrrayted.

   
                            Dan Quayle
From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Whiners 21, Saints 20
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:22:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov17.230050.23162@nntpserver.chevron.com>,
hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:

>Tony Bechtold replies:
>>>
>>>I think Charlie Brown put it best when he said:
>>>
>>>AAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUURURRRRRRUUUAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>J.J.(GOD give us another trip to Candlestick this year!!) Clyde
>>
>>Better watch what you wish for. You just might get it!

>You're right, Tony.  I better start praying for a first-round Saints loss
>again -- to spare us any more agony.  Thanks for the tip.  BTW, I've got
>a tip for you that involves my shoe.

I don't think you need to pray for a first round loss.  The Saints
offense will make sure that happens.
As for your shoe, it might be wise to take it out of your mouth
before you elect to put it elsewhere.  You seem to have placed
it there with some of your previous posts.

>>Three times a charm!
>>                                                      Tony
>>                                                   GO 49ERS!!!
>

>More like "Third time's the charm!"  And that's what we want.  And if
>the Niners are playing the best ball right now (very possible), then the
>Saints are definitely a close second.
>
>--J.J.

With exception the the 4th quarter, the Niners did not play their
best ball game.  They showed up for 1 quarter and still won.  Do you
really think the Saints would have even had a chance if the Niners
had played their style of ball for 4 quarters?
I always give credit when credit is due. The Saints probably played
the best game I have ever watched them play. Unfortunately for
them, it wasn't enough.

                                                   Tony
                                                GO 49ERS!!!
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Whiners 21, Saints 20
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:37:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.155018.10228@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>
>
>I think Charlie Brown put it best when he said:
>
>AAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUURURRRRRRUUUAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
>
>
>I don't kneaux what I HATE WORSE!!!   The entire Niners organization or the
>Saints PREVENT DEFENSE!!!  
>
>And anutta thing:
>No more of this "THE BUCS SUCK SO RUN OVER ME"  "HANDLEY FOR PREZ"  "WHO
>CAN I ROOTT FER BESIDES THE PACK"  ALL-CAPS schmutt!  If you're not a
>LIFELONG SUFFERIN' SAINTS FAN, YOU AIN'T DIDLEY!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>J.J.(GOD give us another trip to Candlestick this year!!) Clyde

Why don't you show CLASS like the Saints players and show
some respect to the NINERS. The FOOTBALL GODs are on OUR
side, at least they were this past weekend. 
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck
From: rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: New Orleans' coaching....
Date: 22 Nov 1992 01:04:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: bongo.berkeley.edu

In article <By15sB.ECt@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>
>In the latest edition of SI, there is severe criticism about 
>the coaching of Mora in the New Orlean/SF game, last week.
>
>In the words of the author, " Not to take anything away from Young,
>but this victory by the 9ers was a gift by the NO coaching staff.".
>
>When u are ahead 20-7, why don't u run the ball as u did most of the
>game. Instead, the Saints resort to passing and give the ball
>back in 1.26 mins.  To top it all, in the last drive with 40 secs

  Boy, Mora can never do anything right, can he ? If he'd run the
  ball (which is what you'd expect the Saints do) and gone 3 and out,
  people would be bitching about that. FYI, Hebert had been shredding
  the Niners secondary all day. With the situation as it was, you'd
  think the Niner defense would be thinking run. Passing the ball 
  was at least more creative than Mora has been accussed of being.
  And if I recall one of the Saints receivers (Martin?) dropped a ball
  which would have given them a first down on their first series in
  the 4th. Nope, give credit where credit is due - the Niners somehow
  managed to put pressure on Hebert for the first time all afternoon
  and decked him after each throw. After 2 incompletes, the Saints
  had no choice but to pass.

>remaining and 3 time outs left, they bleed the clock on their
>first play to only 19 seconds, while they have a super-kicker
>at their side lines waiting for his chance at glory."
 
>After the game when Mora was asked about the game, he said "
>Everything was fine, except for the last time out situation".
>This is akin to asking somebody: How was ur voyage on the Titanic
>and getting an answer: Everything was fine except for the ice-berg
>which sunk the ship.

  There is no doubt that the Saint mismanaged the clock in the last
  drive. Now, _that_ you can lay at Mora' door.
 
>My Comments: As pathetic as the coaching was, I should say this.
>
>The Saints are chokers when it comes to the 9ers... They just
>plain choke and that's it......what else can one say here.
>I should say that I have more sympathy for the Saints than for
>the 9ers....but Championship Caliber teams like the 9ers do
>NOT choke in big games.  And that is what seperates the men
>from the boys.
 
>S.H

  I wouldn't count the Saints out quite yet. They are definitely
  in the top 5 teams in the NFL. Hopefully the Skins will get by
  them Monday night :-)

  Ashu Rge


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: bgk2001@andy.bgsu.edu (BRIAN G. KENDRICK)
Subject: PRIME TIME'S PREDICTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: bgsu
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:31:40 GMT



Hello fellow NFL fans, once again it's time for me to make weekly
predictions.  Last week I managed to go 2-1 with a devastating upset to my
Philadelphia faithfuls.  But I did pull through with my upset special as
NEW ENGLAND (yes, New England) pulled off a miraculous win in the Hoosier
Dome.  Maybe I will make my predictions a little more contraversial this
week, I need more responses from YOU!!!!!


Pick of the week-      Washington at NEW ORLEANS

-In my opinion, New Orleans got robbed last week in Candlestick!  They
played much better than the "whiners" and should of walked away in first
place.  They need this if they want to remain in the hunt for the West. 
This is a team that I feel can make it to the show.  Their DEFENSE is much
too strong for the Woeful Redskin O and the slumping Mark Rypien.  SAINTS
HEAVY!!
                       NEW ORLEANS 27  WASHINGTON 6

Key Matchup-           Tampa Bay at SAN DIEGO

-San Diego has one 5 of their last 6 games and have a CAKE schedule for the
remainder of the season.  They need this game under their belts if they
want to coast into the playoffs as a possible darkhorse.  Underrated
offense and defense?  WAY too much for the BUCS!!!
                       SAN DIEGO 24  TAMPA BAY 10

Upset Special-         Green Bay at CHICAGO

-Watch out Ditka, here comes Brett Favre.  He's the hottest QB in the
league, passing for 400+ yards against my BELOVED gang-green defense, and
making the Pack look halfway decent.  There's ANARCHY in Chicago as the
relentless Ditka keeps pulling his starters.  GB knows how to play in the
cold too, especially in such a heated rivalry.  Look for Favre to "light it
up" against a team that was once famed for their D, but is now 26th in the
league.  Take the points and expect Green Bay to win outright in SOLDIER
Field.
                       GREEN BAY 17  CHICAGO 13



WRITE ME BACK PLEASE,
TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK.

Brian-          bgk2001@andy.bgsu.edu
From: 343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (William Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: STEELERS VS. LIONS - WHAT HAPPENED???
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:49:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Central Michigan University

sorry about not getting the stats out on time this week,  my uncle died,
and I was at the funeral all weekend.  I didn't see the game,  but I'll
post the stats from the snow-covered paper which was still sitting on
my deck when I returned this morning.  Sorry to all the Lion's Fans!!
I'll get the stats for both of you tomorrow;}
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:27:18 GMT

In article <26488@optima.cs.arizona.edu> curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson) writes:
>From article <1992Nov15.173511.15447@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, by sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma):
>
>To show the absurdity of this whole argument, I hereby 
>advance the "Human Mascot Theory."  Teams with Human-like Mascots

Well, Curtis, Are you also supposing that all human-like mascot teams
have a championship game before they meet a team with a non-human-like
mascot.  Your logic is again primitive. Enough said.

>how to use probabilities, I promise not to respond to any more 
>unreasonable postings on the subject and hereafter will allow the reader 
>to puzzle through the probabilities on their own.
>
>Curtis Dyreson
Probably because you know you can't defend your arguments.
-- 
Eric Sybesma                                    sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu
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From: djp@peewee.enet.dec.com (dave parker)
Subject: Re: GIANTS - Ray Handley has no class
Reply-To: djp@peewee.enet.dec.com (dave parker)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:11:51 GMT

In article <92318.110444NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>, Nelson Broat <NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
|> 
|> Ray Handley has no class. He also has no brains.
|> 
|> "Oh boy we are winning 20-7 cause we just got an interception run back
|> for a touchdown. Now lets show the world what a great offensive power we
|> are by scoring a much need touchdown under pressure with 2 and 1/2 minutes to
|> go in the game and beat this great powerhouse of a football team called the
|> Packers."
|> 
|> "See...we won 27-7, we really throttled em today heh heh heh, we sure are
|>  a great football team, and I'm sure a great coach full of lots of class
|>  and not horse you-know-what like that poster Nelson would have you believe."
|> 
|>  Ray Handley, The Dork
|> 
|>                                                           Nelson Broat,
|>                                                           His biggest fan
|> 

Open mouth....insert foot.

The play you refer to was called by Jeff Hostetler on the field after the
Packers played too aggresively on the play before where the Giants did kneel
down.  Supposedly, the Packers were mouthing off about how the game wasn't
over.  So the Giants kept playing.  Did you want them to keep kneeling and
get pounded?

And by the way "this great powerhouse of a football team called the Packers"
just defeated the mighty Eagles, the same team everybody was saying was going
to go all the way  ;^)

Dave
Not a Handley fan either
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From: rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Subject: Rob the idiot !
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 00:33:52 GMT

The season won't end today !!!!
So wake up stupid.

You sound like an idiotic Pitt fan claiming AFC record as a tie breaker...
when it's head on head.

Miami doen't hold the tiebreaker!!!!!
If two teams play twice, you have to win BOTH to have the 
tiebreaker.... Miami hasn't yet.
And the season won't end tomorrow either !!!!
Wake up.


Whoever wins Monday night holds a two game lead. TWO.
The tiebreaker is decided Monday night.

By the way, the season won't end Tuesday either!!!!

It ends after the 16th game.
Wake up.

--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu)

A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
while others are doing.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Kenny, the best backup around
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:10:33 GMT

In article <By5zt7.4Du@acsu.buffalo.edu> v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE) writes:

	   Just a quick mention of the so-called 'mediocrity' of Kenneth Davis.

	   Can you say 181 yards rushing?  I knew ya could.

	   NOW do you think he could start for just a *few* more teams?  

No.


Bill
--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills vs. Steelers Observations
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:42:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Bxwwxt.GM3@mail.boi.hp.com>, keithg@boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson) writes...
>JONNY B. GOODE (v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote:
>: In article <BxFqAt.AxE@mail.boi.hp.com>, keithg@boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson) writes...
>: > 
>: >	I'm not a Bills-basher, but Buffalo is not a class team. A good
>: >	team, yes, but not a class team.
>: > 
>: > 
>: >	-keith
>: 
>: 	Not a class team?  That's your opinion, and I guess you're entitled to
>: it.  However, since you don't live in Buffalo you do not see all the off-field
>: contributions the players from this team makes.  BTW, if you're talking about
>: Buffalo's on-field antics -- I think it all comes down to who wins the game, not
>: how pretty or polite they look while doing it.  This is football, Keith, not
>: etiquette class.
>: 
>: Jonny B.
> 
>--
> 
>	No, Jonny, I'm not talking about their on-field antics, and I do
>	realize this is football. 

	Then what *are* you saying?  What defines 'class' related to a football
team?  How well they win?  What they say to the media?  WHO CARES?!?  Let's
analyze the game, not players' personality problems as it concerns what *you*
think is a 'classy' football player.

>       I'm a Raider fan, and have seen on-field
>	antics unsurpassed in football. I'm talking about some members
>	penchant for whining. I couldn't care less about how they act on
>	the field,

	Whine, whine, whine.  I whole-heartedly agree that last year, during
the SB, B. Smith and T. Thomas used it to put themselves on a pedestal.  I
hated it, as did most every other Buffalo fan (not to mention people across the
country), and it probably cost them.  The loss in the SB *might* have been
affected somewhat by their lack of concentration due to the media stir they
caused, and I think they realize that.  You don't hear much AT ALL (and believe
me, the News here covers every sentence the players say) this year about
"whining".  Thomas claims he was misquoted, btw, in that "biggest hit"
statement.

> but thanks for letting me know the difference between
>	football and etiquette.
>

	No problem.  Please come again.

>	-keith


Jon
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: bill@neocad.com (Bill Bentley)
Subject: Re: Need McKellar stats for Bills-Dolphins
Organization: NeoCAD, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:55:02 GMT


>The box scores I've seen for last Monday's Bills-Dolphins game appear to
>be incorrect, Kelly is shown with 19 completions, but there are only
>17 Bills receptions credited.

>I have McKeller in my fantasy league, I'm losing by one point, and I swear
>the radio play-by-play had McKellar catching one pass. Could anyone clear
>up whether McKellar had any receiving yardage Monday night, and/or where
>the two Buffalo receptions missing from the box score went to? Thanks.

>				Kevin Kinder
	
My paper had the same results with Kelly shown with 19 completions and 
the receivers with only 17 receptions. I do not know why this is???

As for Mckeller I know he did catch 1 pass but it was called back do
to a penalty.

Bill B.
From: desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dallas...
Keywords: Right Timing...
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:27:45 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Univ. of Arizona...,TSN, AZ...
Nntp-Posting-User: desert

I am glad the `Boys lost this week!!!  It was just the *right time* for them to
lose and lose to a team not of their caliber...  They got the monkey off their
back and should be ready to head into the playoffs with their eyes open and play
some smart games...

Go get 'em 'Boys...

D Man...
-- 
Ali Notash...
Desert@ccit.arizona.edu
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From: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: it is starting again.... Re: Packers s
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:36:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com

In article 2185@shaman.wv.tek.com, danba@pogo.wv.tek.com (Daniel J Balza) writes:
> 
> If you're going to insult the state, at least spell it correctly!!!!!
I can spell,  I just can't type...




---
Andy Knipp                    |
Sun Microsystems              | The secret to success is sincerity,
Chicago Loop District         | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
andy@sunloop.central.sun.com  |

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Saints
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:45:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.231748.16984@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> hall@pisces.jsc.nasa.gov (Philip Hall 283-4031) writes:
>>Hats off to the Saints. I'm sure glad I'm not a Saints fan; I'd be
>>pulling my hair out after the two losses to the 49ers which easily
>>could have gone their way. Face the facts, though : the 49ers are
>>the better team in the long run.
>
>>Bob Marshall                     \\     "Women aren't as smart as they
>>Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     think they are; they think we
>>Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    men know a lot more than we
>>marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   really do."
>
>Look at it this way -
>
>1st game - 9ers by 6
>2nd game - 9ers by 1
>
>Get the trend:
>
>3rd game - Saints by 4
>
>We're just setting you up for the game that really counts -
>
>See you in January!
>
>
>
>GEAUX SAINTS!!!

Yeah, the Saints choke! Result: Niners 2 wins; Saint 2
losses. Get the trend? :-)

-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: bottom
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:42:49 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Nov.17.14.37.30.1992.7002@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>
>
>
>All this from a Giants fan!  How does 7 out of the last 8 times grab
>you?  

Oh to the tune of 2 Super Bowl wins over 1 loss (nyah nyah :-)).


>You think if you manage to win this weekend 7 out of the last
>9 times sounds much better?
>
>Now this is priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>       
>      

Now this sounds like it has all the makings of the BET PART 3 (Battle of the
Idiot Coaches ...)

satish nair
go giants