From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Most Ridiculous ? (Re: The Six-Year National Development Plan for Taiwan, "R.O.C")
Keywords: No
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:00:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.061814.4697@acs.ucalgary.ca> bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.005415.17863@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Apr13.034117.27980@acs.ucalgary.ca> bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens) writes:
>>>>>(BTW, I think that there is a good case to be made
>>>>>that the present prosperity of Taiwan occurred not
>>>>>because of the KMT, but that at least initially, 
>>>>>the KMT was an obstacle to development...
>>>>
>>>>Hi , Luc , I am not fully agree with you at this point . Taiwan's
>>>>developement is FACTUAllY due partly to the intellectuals and the gold
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Do you know the exact meaning of this sentence ? Was I undermining Taiwan's
achicement by saying so , in the context ?


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>>>>taken by KMT around 1949 . Otherwise the developement would have been 
>>>>much slower . Think of Philipine , you may know what I am saying .
>>>>
>>
>>1. How many professors and engineerers had moved to Taiwan at the time ? How many
>>universities were built after that ? How many excellent intellectuals left for
>>Taiwan ?
>
>Funny, when talking about China, that the word "intellectuals" keeps
>pooping up...  When you talk about the US, I doubt that you ever
>used the word.

Do you know what is the percentage of the people who were literate at the time ,
in China ? "Gao1 Xiao3 " , not " Gao1 Xiao4" was a vwry admiring education level
at the time . " Gao1 Xiao3" ==== junior elementary school .

Right now less than 3% of the peoplehave ever received college education .
Intellectuals is a distinct group in Mainland China . This word will still be
in use for a long time there .

>
>Seems to me, what you really mean is a specifically Chinese
>phenomenon, the present day translation of the social 
>equivalent to those folks who had passed the Imperial
>Examination, and thus qualified for their share of the loot,
>right?  

Yes , I barely prepared for my politcs classes , but I passed them
above the average all the time . 

>
>So, I can't help, but I tend to understand the word as
>describing some sort of intellectual hooker, who trades his
>knowledge and credibility for a share of the tax money, 
>who gets paid not to be critical of the system...
>
>So, it seems to me that if there is one thing Mao was right
>about, it's that the intellectuals are an obstacle to
>development...
>
>>  2. Do you think Taiwan had better basis to develope so fast ? ( In resourses and 
>>geography , as well as background)
>
>Well, the infrastructure left was the Japanese was pretty
>good, compared to the mainland...   That definitely

Look at all my sentences once more please , then you will not misunderstand it .

" partly" = ????????????? " so fast " = ??????????????? 

>helped  (but it especially helped the KMT crooks to get
>rich..)
>
>>  3. How much of the gold reserve was transfered to Taiwan through warships ? 
>
>I am sure there was gold transferred out of China.  But how long

I am sure , since I located in a book by a American expert .

>do you think it stayed in Taiwan on its way to Switzerland?

You don't know , I don't know either . So what's your point ?

>
>So, if your point is that Taiwan was in better conditions
>than the mainland, yes I would agree.

No , that is not my point . My point was much wider .

>
>But if you say it's because the KMT was a honest and
>judicious administrator, I would strongly disagree, at least until

I didn't say that at any point . 
" FACTUALLY " ====  ????????????

>the death of Chiang.

His brilliant son was still a KMT leader . KMT began to do the excellent
job with Taiwan people . KMT began to have a new look since then .

>
>Luc B.