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From: nikopalosuo@cc.helsinki.fi (Niko A. Palosuo)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: <None>
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:51:41 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Nov16.030619.4152@mel.dit.csiro.au>, gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steve
n Green (+61 6 276 6813)) writes:
> In article <lg00njINNqj8@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chakng@amberwood.Eng.Sun.COM (Chakchung Ng) writes:
>>I have been seeing a lot of discussion of adding a center channel speaker to
>>an existing system but not a post (I might missed them) about using the
>>existing system. The existing system here is the TV set it self. Most TV come
>>with their own speakers and would like to hear opinions about using those
>>speakers as center channel speakers.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Chak
> Firstly, the speakers in you TV are shit compared to virtually any centre
> speaker you can buy. Even high-end TV's have shit speakers!

	That's true. Even what Philips claims to be the top-of-the-line audio,
consisting of two detachable mid- and high-range speakers and one "hefty"
subwoofer inside the cabinet, it can't be compared to any HiFi-loudspeaker(s).
However, when used only for the dialog channel, the TV-speakers are the cheapest
solution to enjoy Dolby Surround Pro Logic Normal-mode audio.

	My problem has been connecting the center channel of the ampiflier to
the audio inputs of the TV. Not many TV's have external audio-in-jacks to which
any source can be connected. The Philips ML 8976 for example has the audio in's
only within the SCART-connector, which makes the connection more difficult. Can
anybody report on successful experiences with connecting the TV-speakers to the
center channel?

	Cheers,

-- 
Niko Palosuo  	Niko.Palosuo@Helsinki.Fi	University of Helsinki, Finland
From: dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,aus.hi-fi
Subject: Tuner recommendations wanted
Summary: Completing my system
Date: 21 Nov 92 09:21:59 GMT
Reply-To: dcook@spam.adelaide.edu.au
Organization: Stats Pure & Applied Maths, Uni of Adelaide, Australia

Hello,

  Over the last year, I've received advice from the readers of this group
about buying various hi-fi equipment, first a CD player & amplifier,
and second, a cassette deck (I ended up buying the Pioneer CT-W650R -
yes, I realise that's got the dreaded auto-reverse, and dual deck,
but considering that 90% of the tapes I currently have (around 220)
are TDK D or AD, and recorded on a small (ie poor quality) 'ghetto blaster',
any small reduction in quality compared with (say) Nakamichi decks is
lost in the huge mass of noise on the recordings themselves.).

  Now, to complete my system (and get the ghetto blaster totally out of
the loop), I'm looking at buying a tuner. Well, I think so, at least,
because I've seen ads for 'receivers' around. I _think_ the difference
is that the receiver has an amplifier built in, in which case I just
need a tuner, but a clarification would be appreciated. 
  Also, I need to know what to look for (or look out for) in tuners.
I guess AM/FM would be standard these days - I'd prefer both stereo.
But what else ? Digital tuning ? Millons of station memories ?
Remote control ? What features would you say are  :
a) essential
b) useful
c) not worth having/best avoided

(FYI: My amplifier is the Harmon/Kardon HD 6100, CD player is HD 7300,
speakers are Jamo CL-10's, and cassette deck is Pioneer CT-W650R)

What sort of money should I be looking to spend on a tuner ?
(US readers: *DOUBLE* your prices to get prices in Australian dollars.
<sigh> 
(This is based on prices I've seen in this group - for example,
the Nakamichi Cassette Deck 2 was mentioned at $400 (or less) here,
and retails for $795 in Australia. Based on exchange rate alone, it
should be $550-$600 here, so someone is getting more than their share
of the profits (probably the Aust. Government :-( )

Either post replies, or e-mail to dcook@spam.adelaide.edu.au

Thanks in advance,

-- 
David T Cook   e-mail: dcook@spam.adelaide.edu.au   Phone: +61 8 228 5709
Assistant Computer Manager, Stats, Pure and Applied Maths, Adelaide Uni.
"Behind the lines, a face that glimmers. Still looking for a face that shines."
       - Heartland, The Sisters of Mercy
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Help!
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:39:29 GMT

In article <7490250@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:
>> Could somebody tell me the names of the inventors of:

>> 	The record

>Thomas A. Edison.

OOOHHH!!!!!  It's nit-picking time again!  (Don't pick that nit, it
will never heal).

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While the erstwhile Tom Edison is know for having invented the
phonograph, he did not invent the record.  His phonograph used
cylinders.

Emile Berliner invented the 'flat disk' as we know it today.   Tom sued
Emile - and the battle went on for a couple of years, but when Emile
won the suit, he named his record company after this victorious
decision  - he call it Victor!    (Always kick a man when he's down, it
gives him a chance to rise again :-)  )

Emile also invented that wonderful device that we all know and low so
well - the microphone.

Now for today's trivia question.  Which of today's musical instruments
is a decendant of the sackbut.



>> 	The 8-track

>Don't know.

Try Lear - not the one that was the producer of "All in the Family",
but the Lear of "Lear Jet" fame.

>> 	The cassette
>
>Phillips (or more properly, a group of engineers at Phillips - whose name
>is on the patent, I don't know.)

>> 	The CD (phillips & sony?)

>Yup.

Ah, what the heck.  Two out of four isnt' that bad.  If you were a
major league batter you'd be world famous!



-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill.vermillion@oau.org
                - bill@bilver.uucp 
                - ..!{peora|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h)
Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO!  (was: The end of cassettes,
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:50:09 GMT

In article <27627@oasys.dt.navy.mil> curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) writes:
>I wrote:
>
>In rec.audio, whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h) writes:
>>Well, I've seen several DCC commercials in the last few days, so
>>I guess it is making its debut now.
>>ALSO...
>>See my earlier reference above to the already existing HRRA which
>>introduced the royalty tax on ALL digital audio mediums.
>
>And tonight, on page 4 of the latest Stereo Review, I find, "Sony's U.S.
>plans are contingent on the passage of the Audio Home Recording Act
>by Congress and may be revised if the bill is not enacted by December."
>
>So I guess both MD and DCC is contingent on this bill.  Is the Audio Home
>Recording Act and the Home Recording Rights Act that you talk about
>the same?  It sounds like something new.

It is the same bill.  I looked up the exact title of the bill and
I incorrectly said it was the Home....  Sorry.  In any case,
the bill was passed and signed by Bush
only a few weeks ago, so the article in Stereo Review was written at
least a montrh or more before the bill became law.  At this point in time,
there isn't likely to be any additional legislation enacted until
the new congress comes in in January.  

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mfleeter@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S Fleeter)
Subject: WANTED:  Cassette Deck
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 00:54:40 GMT

Hello all.

I am in need of a cassette deck.  If anyone has one that
they no longer use, please drop me a line.

I need one to tape tape-to-tape.  (That's a lot of tapes)
I wore my last one out.

I would really like a 2 tape deck for ease in taping cassettes.

Thanks,
mike

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: weichung@wam.umd.edu (Weichung Wang)
Subject: Need help on buying audio system
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:12:04 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bvanhof@pvlab2.eecs.wsu.edu (Barry Vanhoff)
Subject: Re: Digital Amps -> next???
Reply-To: bvanhof@pvlab2.eecs.wsu.edu (Barry Vanhoff)
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:25:17 GMT


For those interested in digital amps, see JAES June 1991 for a paper by Goldberg and Sandler, 'Noise Shaping and PWM for an All Digital Audio Power Amp'

Has anyone with real technical expertise seen this paper, and if so, do you have any comments??

--

Barry Vanhoff
bvanhof@pvlab2.eecs.wsu.edu
509-335-1437

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: jpc@avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov (J. Porter Clark)
Subject: Re: Infinity Speakers - Any Comments
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:10:21 GMT

ptb2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER TALAN BERGEN) writes:

>    Has anyone out there had any experience with Infinity Speakers.  I have a
>    set and the tweeters are sh*t.  I've blown three in 2 years and Infinity
>    gives me the run around with warrenty service.  Every time they have come

I've got six SM150's we bought about 5 years ago.  They are driven from
six 220 W/channel amps.  Despite the wattage, it's rare that we drive
them higher than 90 dB(A) SPL in our (dead but not anechoic) test
chamber.  But we've lost three tweeters and a fourth is starting to
sound bad.

When we first got the speakers, I had a pair connected to a breadboard
circuit which developed an open and ruined my whole day.  The sound
brought people running from all over.  I lost one tweeter then.  OK, I
deserved that, but the other speaker appeared to be fine.  Since then I
have been extremely careful and I can't think of any incidence of
abuse.

My group goes through a repair organization which takes care of
replacing the drivers.  I have yet to hear what the verdict was on any
of these tweeters.  Some of them might have been fixed under warranty.
The distributor we bought the speakers from claimed that there was some
sort of fluid they put on the speaker coil which would somehow prove
whether the tweeter bought the farm due to misuse.  Maybe it was green
ink, like the stuff you use to improve the quality of CD's?  8-)

I don't really like the sound of these speakers but we aren't likely to
buy new ones real soon.  Compared to some of the stuff we buy, these
were cheap items (I think we paid about $350 each, and we've got a
computer in the next room with a book value of about $100k) but they
have high, uh, visibility...

The tweeters on these are not EMITs but rather conventional dome
types.  I guess I've probably got some odd prejudices, but these
speakers don't have any fiberglass (or equivalent) batting in them at
all, and this just seems cheap somehow.  They are ported (to the
rear).  The two midranges are wired in series.  Yes, I know, they
probably don't make these any more.

I contacted Infinity about the tweeter burnouts.  I asked them
particularly about speaker fuses.  They told me that I should consider
buying their circuit breakers instead.  These are about $25 apiece and
are available for the tweeters and the midranges.  This is a bit better
than replacing the tweeters which are about $65 each.  Looks like I
might spring for the tweeter breakers and a couple of spare tweeters
just in case.  My repair organization is *slow*.
-- 
J. Porter Clark    jpc@avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov or jpc@gaia.msfc.nasa.gov
NASA/MSFC Flight Data Systems Branch

"Why do I have to keep reading these technical manuals?"
				 --Roger Waters
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h)
Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO!  (was: The end of cassettes,
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 03:58:50 GMT

In article <24214@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch) writes:
>Must I again point out that a second-generation DCC (analog interface
>between decks) is going to sound pretty bad? (Well,
>"bad" is relative, perhaps I'm picky.)  This is
>a boon to companies who own record companies, because you're
>not going to be able to make good copies from DCC to DCC,
>and everyone is going to have to buy a tape.  Now, this is
>what copyright law thinks should happen, and I have no trouble
>with that, BUT I dislike having to accept a degredation for
>my own use, and that's what's implied.

Guess I must have missed that chapter in Copyright law, cause
I don't ever remember seeing anything that said copyright law
wanted to prohibit an individual from making accurate copies 
of a tape:-)  :-)

For me, I'll continue to create my own CD library of audio and
from that I'll source any medium tape I want.  That is not now,
any violation.  I note that any tapes I make are for my personal
use.

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: ELITIST SNOBS
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:42:36 GMT

From article <1992Nov17.070542.968@metrosoft.com>, by gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen):
> In article <uslave.721952367@mcl> uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)  
> writes:
>> In <1992Nov15.104325.22786@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu  
> (BarryB) writes:
>> 
>> >OK, DUDEZ, ...
>> 
>> [ one of several actual replies ]
>> 
>> Later.  And was it necessary to shout through your entire post?
>> 
> 
> I can't believe you guys are falling for this!!! :-)
> 

  I second that one. Let's explain it to them:

   All of the posts in this thread are JOKES. Do you understand that?
   It is *humor*, *siliness*, *flippance*, they are being *facetious*!
   Also, they are not shouting, they are imitating someone who does not
   know how to use the caps lock key, or is on a system that is lower-case
   intolerant. Is it painfully clear now?  Have you been enlightened, or
   will you continue to be upset by something you haven't the wherewithal
   to understand? GET A LIFE!

  Some of you guys need to get out a little more!  Oh, and by the way:

   DUDEZ, TO GET THE REALLY MOST KILLER BASS YOU SHOULD UZE A BUNCH OF
   CROSSOVERS AND SEND ONLY THE BASS TO ALL THE SPEAKERZ MAN. LIKE TO
   THE TWEETERS AND EVERYTHING! YEAH, DEATH TO MIDRANGE!

-Max
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO!  (was: The end of cassettes,
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:47:48 GMT
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.audio, jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch) writes:
>Must I again point out that a second-generation DCC (analog interface
>between decks) is going to sound pretty bad? (Well,
>"bad" is relative, perhaps I'm picky.)

Yes you must.  But you don't explaing why you think this.  I don't expect
multiple generation (analog or digital) copies on DCC or MD to be bad.  Why
do you?

Are you thinking that the first generation will compress the data by
throwing away 80%, so therefore the second generation must throw away
another 80% of the 20% left, leaving only 4% of the original music?

If this is your thinking, then here's mine.  The first compression
will remove 80% of the information, but the second time through the
system, almost nothing will be removed, because it was all removed
in the first pass.

I don't expect multiple analog DCC or MD copies to hold up as well as
DAT, but I expect it to be better than any cassette format.

Have you heard (:-)) otherwise?

If you have some evidence that multiple generation copies will be
bad, please let us know about it.  If you don't, please stop passing your
theories along as if they were facts.

Curt
From: huibingz@acpub.duke.edu (Huibing Zhang)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Mail-order places for Yamaha products
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:09:14 GMT


Hi, I'm going to buy a Yamaha CDX560 single disc CD player. Our local 
store sells it for $245. I know that the 6th ave. sells the same model
for $186. But I have heard a lots of complaints about the 6th ave. So 
I wonder if there are any other reliable mail-order places carry Yamaha
products. I would greatly appreciate if any people in the net could 
provide me the names and phone numbers of these mail-order places.
Please e-mail me at
   huibingz@lewis.econ.duke.edu
Thanks.
From: randyd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Randall Elton Ding)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: linking audio systems?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 23:34:37 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <KAUTZ.92Nov23002101@hunny.research.nj.att.com> kautz@research.att.com writes:
>I would like some advice on how to link two audio systems.  My current
>set-up has a good quality audio system in the living room, and a cheap
>system hooked to a vcr and cd player in the bedroom.  I would like to
>be able to play the same music is both rooms (and possibly others, if
>I ever get around to buying some more speakers).

Adcom makes a unit that does just that.  I think I have some lit on it
somewhere.  If you can't get any info on it at your local store, Email
me and I'll send you a copy of what I have.

Randy.

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: ELITIST SNOBS
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:05:42 GMT

In article <uslave.721952367@mcl> uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)  
writes:
> In <1992Nov15.104325.22786@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu  
(BarryB) writes:
> 
> >OK, DUDEZ, ...
> 
> [ one of several actual replies ]
> 
> Later.  And was it necessary to shout through your entire post?
> 

I can't believe you guys are falling for this!!! :-)

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: tonyb@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Tony Berke )
Subject: Re: Amplified SubWoofer
Organization: M.I.T. Lincoln Lab - Group 43
Distribution: usa
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:54:51

Question:

Isn't the AC Sub-1 the "synthesized bandpass" (Floor-firing, funky
crossover) thingy?  I thought the passive crossover had more to do
than just low-pass filtering the output.  Have you been able to
measure the results?  I've read some difficult-to-believe figures for
the in-room flatness of the SB-1.  Does yours perform this well?

This sounds pretty promising...


Tony
From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Need help on choosing < $700 speakers
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:04:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Nov23.180407.7453
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

In article <1epl4tINN673@uwm.edu> randyd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Randall Elton Ding) writes:
>
>The only way you can get semi good speakers for that price is to buy
>a quality kit and build them yourself.  

I also have to disagree.  USED speakers can be a great buy.  In the last
day there have been posted Magnepan's for under $500, and lots of other
$1200-2000 speakers are available used in the $700 range.  Plus you
don't lose anything to depreciation if you decide to switch at a 
later time.

Kit speakers, or homebuilt are often very hard to sell if you decide
to change.  On the other hand, used kit/homebuilt speakers are often
great buys - if they were made well and used good parts.


-- 
Alan L. Peterman                                 (503)-684-1984 hm & work
                       al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter!
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: pvh@apple.com (Pete Helme)
Subject: Re: Speaker Recommendation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:28:42 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: rec.audio

In article <BxzI44.AvJ@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, sfk@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steve
Katz) wrote:
> 
> So far, I have listened to the Apogee Centaur and Centaur Minor, many
> Klipsch, Paradigm Export and Control Monitors, Energy, Mirage M series,
> Lynn and Theil.  I have been most impressed with the Theil CS1.2's, and
> the new Lynn (model??) - floor standing, similar sound to the Nexus.
> 

You should check out Vandersteen 2e's, which I think are around $1300 these
days. Very musical speakers which as an added benefit go down pretty far in
the bass (about 29Hz). A lot of reviewers said if they were on a budget and
could afford nothing else, that's what they'd get.

The Spica Angelus' are nice too, a bit light weight on the low and high
ends, but wonderful imaging.  

Theils are great, but for some reason their prices seem to inflate faster
than every one elses...always wondered why.

You could probably drive any of the above with your Sony (not sure about
Apogee Centaurs), though I imagine they will sound a bit different for
critical listening then what you heard them played through at the store. ;)

Remember that there is a pretty good used speaker market out there.  Lots
of bargains on Usenet every once in a while so keep your eye open.  And
most people who are selling this class of speaker aren't going to jerk you
around.

How did you like the Mirage M series?

name: Pete Helme
work: Apple Computer, Inc.
mail: pvh@apple.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.audio.pro
From: gburton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Garland O Burton)
Subject: Re: DAT recorders with mike input
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:08:36 GMT

does anyone know any specifics on the previously mentioned "software problems"
linked to the fostex dat machine.  the 9,000 dollar timecode machine)

gob!

-- 
gburton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu.............copyright 1992 gary burton........
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:23:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Need help on choosing < $700 speakers
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD