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From: towle@vssteg.enet.dec.com (Clark Towle Gunsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: M1 Carbine Disassembly
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:16:50 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <00189.2798118696.579@morgaine.nwc.navy.mil>, K._LUU@morgaine.nwc.navy.mil (K. LUU) writes...
# 
#                             M1 Carbine Disassembly
#Does anyone in Net-land know how to remove the firing pin from the M1
#Carbine's bolt?  Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.


 Get an M1 Carbine bolt disassembly tool. If you can't locate one 
specifically for the M1 Carbine, you can also use the M1 Garand or the M14 
bolt tool.

 In the event you can't locate any of these tools, the easiest way to 
discorporate the bolt is to turn it upside down and using a drift punch, 
smack the extractor pin, (which also retains the ejector and firing pin) to 
get it clear of the extractor detent. Be careful when the extractor pops 
out and clears the detent or the ejector will take off to parts unknown as its 
under considerable spring tension. Now you can remove the firing pin.

 When reassembling it clamp the bolt in a vise, insert the firing pin, use a 
drift punch to depress the ejector then install the extractor and push in by 
hand or tap with a soft faced hammer to get it into place. Be sure to line up 
the ejector slot so the extractor goes in properly.

 Good luck.....
From: jaf@a2.cim.cdc.com (James Foster x2197)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Need advice on building an underground range
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:20:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.225752.28936@software.org>, you write:
|> 
|> Hello to the netters in rec.guns,
|> 
|> My friend Rob and I are seriously thinking about building a 50' 
|> underground pistol range in his backyard.  Being a lurker on 
|> rec.guns, I know the experts here can help us to avoid pitfalls.
|> 

When I first started shooting, about 12 years ago, I was interested
in the same thing (since I rented at the time, I'm not sure why).
Since the Caswell company is located near where I lived I stoped in
and asked them about this.  They had a large packet of indoor range
design information including making water traps, ventilation, lighting
and power, target carriers, etc.  There was also information on their
equipment and bullet traps, but I was surprised on the amount of 
general information that they shared.

I don't know how widespread Caswell equipment is outside of this area,
but the few indoor ranges I've been to have used their equipment.  I 
also don't know if they still provide this information.  Yes, they do.
I just called and they will send me out their current information.
You might want to contact them for the same:

          Caswell International Corporation
          1221 N.E. Marshall Street
          Minneapolis, Mn.  55418

          Telephone: (612) 379-2000


Jim

P.S.  IS ANYONE FAMILIAR WITH HOW A NEWS SITE HAS TO BE SET UP TO 
      CORRECTLY RECOGNIZE MODERATED GROUPS AND SEND POSTINGS AND 
      FOLLOWUPS CORRECTLY?  I use XRN on a MIPS machine, the NEWS 
      server is a Sun 4/280.  Please EMail me any info that you 
      have.  If I try a straight post to rec.guns it goes off to
      never-never land.
From: rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Dana Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Favorite Reloads
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:34:22 GMT

If there is anybody out there reloading for the Colt Gov't model .45ACP
(I'm sure there are numerous), here is a light, practice load that I
have been using for 3 years.  It's comfortable to shoot, and fairly
accurate.  Well, as accurate as possible with me behind the gun :-).

Powder:   4.5 Grains Unique
Primer:   Winchester
Bullet:   230 Grain LRN  (Made by Bullet Meister in the Phoenix, AZ area)

I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to come up with a load I'm happy
with for my Glock 19.  Anybody have a light, accurate, practice load
for this gun?

Dana Rigg
Motorola, Inc.
(rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com)

***  My opinions are my own and not necessarily shared by Motorola.  ***
***  I accept no responsibility for the results of taking my advice.  ***
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Stupid shooter tricks
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:21:23 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <11880@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer) writes:

}You left out Sten idiosyncrasy #3: a friend served with the British
}Army occupation forces in Germany just after WW2 -- if you dropped a
}Sten on the ground, butt first, just right, it would occasionally
}start firing, and continue until empty.  He only managed to do it
}once, but that was enough.

According to a friend (who, these days, is a British Army Brigadier) some
of the old Stens were sensitive enough that almost any shock would cause
them to do this.  He'd heard of at least one case of a soldier jumping to
the ground from the hatch of a troop carrier aircraft with a Sten slung
over his shoulder ...

Military legend?

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405
Xref: sparky rec.guns:12360 talk.politics.guns:20266
From: fcrary%ocf.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.guns,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Why a sawed-off shotgun?
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:07:29 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility

In article <11932@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer) writes:
#Not quite.  Miller and his co-defendant were released because the
#Federal Judge who heard the case against them held that NFA of 1934
#was a violation of the Second Amendment, and quashed the indictment.
#This is why Miller wasn't represented by counsel at the Court of
#Appeals and Supreme Court, and hence, only the decisions favorable
#to the prosecution were presented.

This is a goo time to phase this discussion over to talk.politics.guns
So I've adjusted the distribution accordingly...

Miller definately won in the lower courts (The official name of the ruling,
by the was gives the one who lost in the lower court first, so US v. Miller
means US lost in the lower Court...)

However, I heard (in a talk by Fielding Greaves, NRA Board of Directors)
that Miller was charged with a great deal more than violating the National
Firearms Act. He didn't win on all the counts, and was in jail when his
case was heard by the Supreme Court. Since he expected to remain in
jail for quite a while, he apparently didn't care about one more charge
(at least not enough to hire a lawyer...)

					     Frank Crary
					     CU Boulder
					     (Even though I'm
					     still using my
					     Berkeley account...)

[MODERATOR: Rest of discussion migrates to t.p.g. as Frank sez....]
From: jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: What's the best pocket-sized gun?
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:19:53 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

#From article <9208242256.AA19436@network.ucsd.edu>, by mbh@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (Matt Harrington):
# At the range the other day, a man showed me a pistol which he keeps in
# his back pocket in a leather holster reminiscent of a wallet.  I think
# that he said it was a Bauer (?) .25  I can't find these guns in my
# Shooter's Bible '93, so they must have gone out of business a while ago.
# 
# So, what other pocket-sized pistols are there?  I know of the small
# Barettas (the .22 LR and .25).  Does anyone out in net.world carry a gun
# in a pocket?  What is there to choose from?
#

Well, the 9mm and .40S&W Firestar seems like it might qualify if
you have big pockets ;-{).

The only ones I remember seeing with those "billfold" holsters
were Ravens and Bauers in .25 auto.

Most of the .380s and .32s seem to be as big as a Firestar, at
least the ones (Beretta, Colt, Taurus) that were available in the
store to compare with it (Firestar), now if it were only double
action ;-{). 
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
From: edhresko@hresko.EOS.NCSU.EDU (ERIC DAVID HRESKO)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: hand loading question
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:20:43 GMT
Organization: Techno-Geeks Inc.



|>A friend and myself are interested in beginning to load our own rounds.  I 
|>have no experience, and his is limited.  Can I get some recommendations on 
|>fairly low-priced good quality loaders?  Also, I have heard that buying a 
|>good dye makes life immeasurably easier, so could someone tell me who makes 
|>the best 30-30, 10mm, and 9mm dyes?  Where is a good place to order them 
|>from?  Thanks in advance...

	In my opinion, RCBS makes the best series of single stage presses and,
of course, Dillon makes the absolute best progressive presses.  While many
people think and advocate that new reloaders start with single stage presses,
I do not think that this is particularly true.  While it will not hurt to
start with a single stage press, to save time and money, if you think that you
may ever reload more than say a hundred rounds or so at one time, then you might
want to investigate the progressives.
	As to why I like RCBS over the others: all of the RCBS presses that I
have ever used have been smooth, solid and comfortable to use.  On the other
hand, the Lee and Lyman presses were of flimsy construction and generally
wobbled and sounded like a broken door.  While the RCBS may cost a bit more, I
would rather spend $20-$30 for a press which I can use forever.
	As to progressives, well, there is no comparison.  The Lee press seems
to be made by a child with tinker toys in his mind, and the Hordaday makes a 
horrendous screech whenever it indexes.  The Dillon is on the other hand simply
... divine!
	As to dies, again, I like RCBS.  I have one Lee and one Hornaday.  
Hornaday uses aluminum in some parts of the die, and I think that that is cheap.
The one good think that Hornaday does that RCBS does not do in their standard
line of dies is that they have a collar on the seating die which will support
the bullet all the way up the die so as to reduce runnout.  I think the quality
of RCBS outweighs this feature.  As to Lee, well my brand new 7.62x54 dies
look used...
	Midway seems to me to be the best place to get most reloading equipment.
While their prices may not always seem extremely competitive, they do not charge
shipping, except on things like gun safes...  Their number can be gotten in the
back of Guns & Ammo.
	Hope this little bit of biased pontification helps.

	Eric

-- 


Eric

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From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Beretta 92 problems
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:56:33 GMT
Organization: The Instrumentality

In connection with the Beretta 92 problems, Richard Marchinko, in his book
_Rogue Warrior_ mentions that the Navy's Seal Team Six had problems with
"frame cracks" after firing many rounds through their Berettas in the
course of training exercises. He says nothing about extra-hot ammunition.

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
             |      Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist.     |
Peter Cash   |       (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein)      |cash@convex.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: burge@qdeck.com (Bill Burge)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Concealed carry...
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:59:19 GMT
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA

In article <4jcn-bm.pauly@netcom.com> pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:
#What is the best type of holster to use?  Where is the best place to carry
#(side, front, back, shoulder)?  Any specific models that are particularly
#outstanding?
#
#Note that the firearm in question is a 5-inch government model.  I was thinking
#something along the lines of an inside-the-pants holster located at one's
#back.  Feasible?  Or is trying to conceal a full size auto (on a small person
#nonetheless) complete folly?
#

Not complete folly.  You might look into the SOB holster from Galco.
It hold the gun in the Small Of the Back and the new one is better for
retention and comfort than the old one.  They also have a rip open front-
wear fanny pack style holster that allows even a small guy to carry a big gun.

I too DVC.

Bill	burge@qdeck.com
From: FRAMPTON@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Trouble with a gunsmith
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:20:28 GMT


                         
  I've got one of those detachable TC mounts and have been very
  happy with its performance.  

  The other day I pulled a barrel from the case that had the scope and
  mount presently on it and was amazed to see that one of the ring
  screws had broken while it was sitting in the case!?!  It broke
  off flush which made extraction a small chore but I didn't feel
  like taking a chance on buggering the threads.  My equipment is
  limited :-( and those mounts run $40.

  I could have sent it back to TC for "lifetime" warantee work but
  I was afraid it wouldn't come back in time for a planned prarie
  dog hunt in a few weeks.

  I took it to a popular local gun shop in Dallas and expected no
  problem.  The owner/smith said it would be easy on his mill and
  would fix it in the morning.

  I called for four days and he still hadn't got to it.  Finally
  he told me he didn't think he could save the rings.  I said,
  "DONT TOUCH IT, I'LL BE THERE IN 15 MINUTES TO PICK IT UP".

  I got access to a drill press and removed the screw with no problem.

  What I'm getting at is if a gunsmith can't simply remove broken
  screw or if he's too lazy to do the work, I don't think I'd trust
  him to do any serious kind of work.  Later, someone else told me
  that he did a bad installation their recoil arrestor. 

  I wont disclose the shop name to the entire world but if you are
  in the Dallas area or have work done here I'll give you the name
  of the shop on request.
_____________________________________________________________________________
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From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Scale weight check set - a Gadget Review (revisited)
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:04:05 GMT
Organization: NCSU Computing Center


  I have a Hornady balance and it has always seemed to work perfectly.  
Now and then I weigh a match grade bullet on it, and always come up
with a very close reading to the claimed weight - but I've always
wondered about it performance down in the 2 - 15 grain range where
handgun reloading is done.

  So finally I bought a "Scale Weight Check Set" (a Lyman #7752313)
which has a total of 10 weights which can be used to put together a
weight sum of anywhere between 0.5 and 210.5 grains.  (The weights are
100, 50, 20, 20, 10, 5, 2, 2, 1, .5 and a pair of forceps is included
so that you don't have to touch the weights with your fingers.)  This
set comes in a snap-close plastic box 2" x 2" x 4" which is about
ten times a large as needed to contain the weight set.  The forceps
are really inconvenient, in that they are not of any particular shape
facilitating picking up the weights (especially the larger ones.)  In
fact, the straight arms of the forceps means that a large weight
tends to be "squirted" out when enough force is exerted to try to hold
it and pick it up - *very frustrating*.  What I did was to bend the
end third of each arm inwards so that the two arms are parallel when
the weight is being picked up and this removed the tendency to squirt
it out.

  What can I say - except that the weight set and my balance agree
quite well, with the largest discrepancies I could see being
under 1/2 of a tenth of a grain.  I'm happy I got it so I could know,
but I really wasn't too worried before.  One of the nice things about
a balance is that it tends to work totally correctly if it works at
one balance setting (really at two - at the "zero" and at the standard
weight) and so weighing one light bullet does a quite good job of
reassurance.

  Well, John B. asked about a real determination of accuracy, and
of course he is right about that being needed.  So I took my weights
and went across campus to find an analytical balance.  A friend's
lab has a Mettler H33AR with a resolution of 0.1 mg, and which was
calibrated in March 1992, and I weighed all 10 weights.

grains   converted  weight     % descrepancy
         to grams   in grams
100       6.48       6.4831       +.05
 50       3.24       3.2423       +.07
 20       1.296      1.2971       +.08
 20       1.296      1.2972       +.09
 10        .648       .6520       +.62
  5        .324       .3248       +.25
  2        .1296      .1302       +.46
  2        .1296      .1302       +.46
  1        .0648      .0641      -1.08
  .5       .0324      .0327       +.93

  The descrepancies are really quite small, and it could be that I
should reweigh these, especially the light one, on a balance with
higher resolution.  However, I can't imagine that even if all the
errors shown are real that it would make any practical difference.

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
From: lucifer@world.std.com (Kevin S Green)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: What's the best pocket-sized gun?
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:14:16 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <9208242256.AA19436@network.ucsd.edu> mbh@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (Matt Harrington) writes:
|
|So, what other pocket-sized pistols are there?  I know of the small
|Barettas (the .22 LR and .25).  Does anyone out in net.world carry a gun
|in a pocket?  What is there to choose from?

Matt,

I own a Beretta 950BS .22short pistol. Acceptably accurate at
25 ft considering it's size. Of course it is more or less a
belly gun. I would never consider using it at anything over
2 or 3 feet. I can carry it in a pocket but I prefer to use
the Uncle Mike's holster that goes behind the back...
I would love to find a wallet-style holster though to expand
my options.

All in all I would recommend it...besides YOU CAN NEVER HAVE
ENOUGH GUNS...(right Moderator ;-) )
-- 
Kevin S. Green / lucifer@world.std.com / {xylogics;uunet}!world!lucifer
               /America Online: Gargoth
From: biocca@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Alan K Biocca)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: reloading & lead
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:02:52 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California

In article <51870021@hpscit.sc.hp.com> glaird@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Gordon Laird) writes:

#   My comment about clean included both.  I have found W231 to produce less
#smoke and less soot/garbage.  H110, produces lots of smoke, lots of soot, and
#no garbage...

It is probably worth noting that these characteristics of powder vary with
the load application - powders tend to burn cleaner in higher pressure loads.

Thus a 'dirty' powder can burn much cleaner in a slightly different situation.

Alan K Biocca
From: bcristi@novell.com (Benjamin Cristi)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Ruger mini-14 questions
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:54:56 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

Min-14 owners: I would like to know
1. What kind of accuracy do you get, with what type of ammo?
2. Has anyone worked up some handloads that shoot more accurately than
   "typical" factory ammo?
3. Is there any way to prevent the point of impact from changing as the
   barrel heats up after 10+ fairly rapid shots?

I happen to own one and have been disappointed with the accuracy (4inch
groups at 50 yards with Winchester FMJ ammo). My Ruger M77 30-06 shoots
much tighter groups at 100 yards.
From: andy@sail.stanford.edu (Andy Freeman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: SKS 30 Round Magazines...
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:02:08 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin

In article <9208301648.AA05285@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> syoung@pecanpi.UUCP (Stan Young) writes:
##The BATF says it is a violation to install a detachable magazine or
##a folding stock (and perhaps a few other items) on an SKS rifle that
##was imported after Nov. 1990 (I believe 11/20/90 to be exact).  You can
##modify ones legally that were imported before that.
#
#In light of the recent Supreme Court decision on the Thompson/Center case,
#impossible becomes even more likely.  The Court decided that the standard
#of lenity had to be used in any BATF case that involved criminal penalties.
#While I'm sure they will fight it, the basic rule means that any ambiguities
#must be resolved in favor of the individual, not the agency.

What ambiguity?  The fact that the legally modifiable guns are functionally
equiv to others doesn't create an ambiguity.

In the T/C case, it was possible to build a non-NFA firearm with the
parts.  If you have a "not legally modifiable gun" and the magazine,
you can't make that argument.

-andy
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From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: a new grease?
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:30:02 GMT
Organization: NCSU Computing Center


  A local sporting goods store sold me a tube of "Super Lube"
(SYNCO chemical Corp, Bohemia, NY 11716) which is a "Multi-Purpose
Lubricant with TEFLON(r)".  This is a clear grease which says on
the tube:

Highy lubricious: Less friction
Impervious to salt and fresh water
Won't wash off, disperse, break down or turn rancid
Superior adhesion:  Stays where you put it
Non-toxic and Non-corrosive
All temperature use -65 to 650 F.
Does not attract dust or other contaminants

  The store uses this as the grease to pack into the works of
fishing reels which they overhaul.  The used to use some special
grease (something blue?) which is no longer available, and now
they have found this.  They also seem to use it as a utility
grease on firearms - but I'm not completely sure.

  It seems to leave a rust preventative coating on metal when a
coat is applied, and then rubbed off the next day

  I've just started to use it myself, and so don't have an 
experience base yet.  Has anyone else had any experience (good or
bad) with this?

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Anaconda quality?
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:34:14 GMT
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma

In article <1992Aug26.192128.29486@centric.com> ian@Centric.COM (Ian Macky) writes:
#I've been thinking about a Colt Anaconda (.44 Magnum).  I love my Python and
#thought the Anaconda was a beefier, scaled-up version with the same quality.
#
#I was surprised when pricing them yesterday that the Anaconda costs about
#the same as the King Cobra (~$350), instead of the same as a Python (~$700).
#
#The obvious conclusion is the Anaconda is not the same quality as a Python.
#Is that the case?  It seems the Anaconda is Colt's only .44 model?  How sad.
#
#--ian


The Python uses a hand fitted action with a leaf spring driving the hammer.
The Anaconda uses a coil spring action which requires substantially less
hand fitting.  Although the external cosmetics are similar, the internal
lockwork is *significantly* different.  Both are very high quality, though
Anaconda action is more like that of a King Cobra or Colt Trooper
revolver than the pricier Python.

Rob Boudrie
rboudrie@chpc.org