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From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Russian authors & books
Date: 12 Sep 1992 01:31:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Solzhenitsin

In article <NVmyqB1w165w@halcyon.com> novost@halcyon.com writes:
>  Does anyone know if A. Solzhenitsin's books have been published
>in Russia?  In particular, has <A Day in the Life of Ivan
>Denisovich> been published?  Also, does anyone know where one can

It was not only published, it won Lenin's prise. I'm serious. It
was after XX party congress. I think it also was published by western
based companies. You definetely may get it from UC Berkeley main library,
as they have the full collection. 

Oh, I forget about great invention: catalog on-line. Here goes:

5. Solzhenitsyn, Aleksandr, 1918-
     Izbrannoe : soderzhanie ; Odin den' Ivana Denisovicha ; dva rasskaza ;
   Sluchai na stantsii Krechetovka ; Matrenin dvor / A. Solzhenitsyn.  Chicago,
   Ill. : Russian Language Specialties, 1965.
     Series title:  Russian study series ; no. 54.
       UCR   Rivera    PG3488.O4 A6 1965
       UCSD  Central   PG3488.O4 A6 1965

7. Solzhenitsyn, Aleksandr, 1918-
     Odin den' ivana Denisovicha.  London : [Flegon Press], 1964.
       UCI   Main Lib  PG3488.O4 O3 1964
       UCR   Rivera    PG3488.O4 O3 1964

8. Solzhenitsyn, Aleksandr, 1918-
     Odin den' Ivana Denisovicha; povest'.  7-e izdanie.  London, Flegon Press,
   c1962, 1966.
       UCSC  McHenry   PG3488.O4O3 1962

9. Solzhenitsyn, Aleksandr, 1918-
     Odin den' Ivana Denisovicha; povest'.  [London, Flegon Press, 1962?].
       UCLA  URL       PG 3488 S692o
       UCR   Rivera    PG3488.O4 O3 1963

10. Solzhenitsyn, Aleksandr, 1918-
      Odin den' Ivana Denisovicha : povest' / A. Solzhenitsyn.  [Moskva :
    Sovetskii pisatel', 1963].
        UCB   Main      PG3488.So4 O3 *c2 copies

11. Solzhenitsyn, Aleksandr, 1918-
      Odin den' Ivana Denisovicha; povest'.  London, Flegon Press, 1966, c1962.
        UCI   Main Lib  PG3488.O4 O3 1966


Yury

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz)
Subject: Re: Shafarevich
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:48:45 GMT

>4. New rule on stokers (spelling?, these are people who
>follow somebody and make repeated propositions of mostly
>sexual character, pristayut, po-russki) was introduced:

A "stalker" in this stalking law is a perosn who makes death threats
and follows a person around with the intent to carry them out.

This is a really big problem with people trying to leave abusive
relationships. The number of violent spouses who track down and kill
the one who left them is very large. Recently there has even been
a trend for angry people getting a divorce to take a gun to the
divorce court and shoot the lawyers and judge and husband or wife.

Also, celebrities have this problem too, like a beautiful young actress
who was stalked for about a year by a mentally ill man, who kept sending
her letters and finally hired a detective to find her after she moved
several times to get away from him. 

She answered the door one morning and he shot her dead.

Sometimes sexual propositions are part of stalking behavious, but
really that part is secondary to the treat of murder.

Hopefully the police will now be able to prevent a few murders rather than
finally arrest the stalker after his/her victim is dead.

-patricia
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mashina <novost@halcyon.com>
Subject: COBOK
Originator: novost@halcyon.com
Reply-To: novost@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:10:34 GMT



  As I am somewhat new to some of the discussions going on here at
this BBS (although I am enjoying it), I am very confused about 
the use use and meaning of the word sovok and ex-sovok.  So could
some sovok be tolerant to an idiot and explain it to me.
  Even one person signs his post with "1917 Sovok St.".
Chto ehto takoe?  Sovsem ne ponimayu.

                  Jeff
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mns6569@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Russian poetry
Reply-To: mns6569@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:58:39 GMT

>5.
>Considering Ms. Schwarz - there is enough mess in heads of Americans
>without her valuable contributions on gay-child-abused Gogol
>or Pasternak in underground pit. If you know any example of 
>that kind research that is useful to somebody else besides
>chronic gossipers or anecdot lovers, I'd be interested to hear.
>
>	-igor

Igor and Dmitry, that's precicely the problem. You seem to be of an opinion
that you know much more than screwed-up Americans do, and therefore have a
birthright to flame and pillage, without any rebuttal. 
Let me put it this way. You live in this country for a reason. Be it 
economic or political one or some other. You feel way-way superior to
a regular beer-guzzling, sitcom watching middle class parent of 2.4 children.
You have the only correct way of looking at the world. You're OK, the 
Americans are mesed up, life's good and there's also a weekly discussion
on how russia falling apart to be had on Saturday night over Lipton tea
and cookies. Boy, the best of both worlds, ain't it. Russian mentality on
$40000 a year. We are the smartest!
Please get a clue ASAP. Please understand, that even if people are of opinions
different then yours, they are allowed to have those opinion. While you, coming
from the country of close minds and collective opinions should really try
to listen to others even if you disagree. You might learn something, or at
least be less compelled to flema off, sparing us poor bastards from your
clueless remarks.
Have a good day. If you see any clues on sale during next few weeks, please 
buy some. (sorry, sovok in me just have to dump and insult or two out :-( 
Mike.S
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Shafarevich
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 13:09:52 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <88227@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>  But you're sure that's a bullshit, aren't you?  I personally don't give
> a damn for "Litso..", but what, again, have people found antisemitic in
> Belov's book?  Yury, at least honestly said he didn't read the book,
> however, put it in a bullshit category. I would understand if some 
> oversensitive Jewish guy call Belov an antisemite (although, this 
> understanding would be reffered to this oversensetivity, but not to
> Belov's behaviour). I'm curious, what had Mr. Stolboushkin found offencive
> to Jews in "Vse vperedi"????
>  Will you, guys, provide some prove for your words?  It's getting rediculous.

I read that book - at least half :-) I'm not "oversensitive jewish guy" -
at least nobody never told me that. IMHO, "Vse vperedi" is antisemitic.
And it's very average literature - especially if to compare that
with "Plotnickie rasskazy" or some other great short stories by Belov.
Ochen' svoevremennaya kniga :-)

How to prove it's antisemitism?
One way - a lot of tedious details with counterexamples - 
but I didn't get the book from Russia :-)
Other - just look at Jews (e.g., at one of the main heroes whose very 
jewish name I don't remember) in the book. Look at his "cosmopolitanism",
absence of human soul. Look at other empty shells instead of people in that
book. Have you met these peoples in life? Wouldn't you say they are 
very artifically cut and curved, very different from representatives
of the same social and cultural circles in reality? 
Look at language - neryashilvyi, sbivchivyi, pospeshnyi. And don't
forget that Belov was real writer, he wrote masterpieces before.
Btw, it's not only antisemitic it's anti-intelligent book - Belov hates both.
Just look at tendencies and supposed generalization. 
 
>  S.B.

Hope this helps.
	
	-igor
From: muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: The least nationalistic nation
Date: 10 Sep 1992 03:17:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <18lnlpINN9kf@rodan.UU.NET> avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:
>
>>Maybe some of the negative emotions being expressed right now are a
>>combination of apprehension that there will be a Russo-Disney outside
>>of Moscow someday,
>
>Unfortunately, yes.

Why unfortunately? Shozh nam tak i hodit' po prazdnikam is stenki-na-stenku
v cerkov' i kabaki da opernye teatry?

Seriously, why it is bad? From what i heard, it's interesting. Is it sign of
low-mind, low-brow crap?

Yury
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mashina <novost@halcyon.com>
Subject: Geological terminology
Originator: novost@halcyon.com
Reply-To: novost@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:58:54 GMT

The votes are in and by popular majority, here is the translations
for the following words.

1)  RAZRABOTKA NEDR - Mining  (easy)
2)  CHETVERTICHNYJ PEREOD - Quarternary Period  (From the end of the
                            Tertiary Period to present day)
3)  ANTROPOGENOVYJ PEREOD - Anthropic Period  (When mankind began
                            to appear - during the chetvertichnyj
                            pereod)
4)  SUGLINOK - Loam (Mixture composed mostly of wet clay)
5)  VALUN - Boulder (of glacial origin)
6)  SUPES' - Sandy Loam (SUglinok and PESok)
7)  LIMNOGLYATSUAL'NYJ - Glacial fresh-water (limnoglyatsial'noe
                         otlozheniya posle tayniya lednikov)

Special thanks to Rick, Yury, Vadim, and Peter

                           Jeff
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: minorities...
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:40:12 GMT


: 
: >"LANGUAGE LAWS DO NOT HEATEN SENCES"

: >
: >"The careful attitude of Russia concerning Central Asia can be seen
: >clearly of the fact that the russians do not blame the language laws
: >of Uzbekistan,Kazakstan or Tadzikistan.
: >Of the inhabitants of Karaganda 80 % are russians, germans and other
: >foreigners. Only one fifth are kazaks but according the laws of the
: >independent Kazakstan to all leading posts will nominated kazaks.
: >The opressed russians have to leave the country.
: 
: Wow. How do ya think are Russians a minorty in Kazakhstan? I wonder
: where this guy gets his information. Need i to remind that the 
: Kazakhstan is the most supportive of Russian politics among the CIS
: members? Nazarbayev won elections with the strong support of Russian
: population of Kazakhstan (note that they were allowed to cast ballots).

C'mon, I checked your statement about who are in a minority and who not in
Kazakstan. I do not know the Helsingin Sanomat correspondent has
got the information but I copy for you from the Information Sheet of
Finnish-Russian Chamber of Commerce no. 8/92 which I have got 4.9.1992
following:

Kazakhstan:
Kazaks 39,7 %, russians 37,8%, germans 5,8%, ukrainians 5,4%, uzbeks 2%,
the others 9,2%. The information is from the census of 1989. I think since
that the progress has not been favorable for the russians.
So the russians are in a minority in Kazakhstan indeed.

I know the way Helsingin Sanomat reporters work, that they are very
careful not giving false information and check all the information they
get. So I think in this case Helsingin Sanomat is right.

From the same information source I can pick following examples:

Uzbekistan: 71,4% uzbeks, russians 8,3%, tadziks 4,7%, kazahs 4,1%,
the others 11,5%.

Kirgisistan: kirgiz 48%, russians 26%,uzbeks 12 %, the others 14%

Jarmo Ryyti

: 
: --vadim
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Bulgakov
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:04:52 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <1992Sep10.110748.25328@cco.caltech.edu> patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) writes:
>>I guess you and you-like are not a communist but provide a best soil for
>>blossom of communism. BTW you can find a lot of real communists who blame
>>Stalin in the similar way for moving away from Lenin's road.
>
>Lenin fostered the cult of terror. Stalin only used the tools he was given.
>
>But I still don't understand your insistence.
>
>But...maybe your whole life has been warning people about communism
>and now there's nothing left to warn about.
>
>You are safe. Relax. Stop listening for footsteps in the hall at 3am,
>because they aren't going to come any more.
>
>-patricia

Thank you, Patricia, for this eloquent analysis of Bulgakov's works. :-)
By the way, do you think that it is Begemot, being of male persuation, who
is responsible for the Holocaust against women? :-)

"Sizhu primus pochinyayu..." Znayem my vashi primusy!

Vlad

Employer disagrees
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Shafarevich
Date: 5 Sep 92 08:53:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep5.045316.15386
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <87985@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:

>   This is truely personal. I've seen "jerk", "bastard" and some
>   other similar words applied to him. 
>   I know that Shafarevich is a friend of Solzhenitsyn. You see,
>   the latter is too famous to be called "jerk", but as we were
>   taught ".. he didn't understand ..".

There is one more reason not to expell Shafarevich from the
NAS: his friend Solzhenitsyn helds the same opinion... Well he does.
Not to quote Russophobia (a really paranoid exercise :) let's
browse Archipelag Gulag or, better, Lenin v Zurich'e. When
on the scene appears Jew, Solzhenitsyn clearly explains (like
in the case on Nathan Frenkel) that this Jew did not love Russia
and was a foreign element there. The conclusion in subtext:
Jews made revolution in Russia because they were foreign to
Russian soil etc. I respect Solzh. and Vassily Belov deeply,
but in their historical novels the attitude towards Jews is clearly
negative (the same of both writers). Of course, Belov, Shafarevich,
Astafiev are all friends. 

There are lot of Russian writers who are antisemites, and most
of them says, like Shafarevich, "I don't like some particular
Jewish circles, I don't hate Jews as whole". This could
be quite true, but they are antisemites nevertheless.

Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov)
Subject: Re: Re: Bulgakov
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich RI
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:40:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.214244.6677@physics.ucla.edu> viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu (Sergei Viznyuk) writes:
>  Does anybody know the meaning of Bulgakov's words about
>Fagot: "rytsar', kotoryi odnazhdy neudachno poshutil.." ?
>  And who were the prototypes of other members of Voland's suit ?
>
>S.V.
You can start from I.Belza "_Genealogiya _Mastera _I _Margarity". I hope
there are some information there.



-- 
Aleksey Y. Romanov

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed are entirely my own and do not
necessary reflect those of my employer or anyone else
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From: muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: ESTONIA and human rights (Was: "demo
Date: 12 Sep 1992 20:04:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

Thank you for reasonable and informative article (no sarcasm whatsoever).

The I would like to make some points, though. Or questions.

1. You said that Supreme Soviet ceased to exist. How today's parlamaint was formed?
How came russian delegates of SS do not participate?

2. I think that idea of revival of Estonia republic, and attributing the
citizenship of modern Estonia to this republic decendents is not very good.
First, if I am right, formation of that republic is no better from legal
point of view than annexation. Am I wrong that independance was recognised
by illegal communist goverment, which moreover was under pressure of German
troops? Second if somebody will next month or in 30 years
claim that he restores the illegally
(without approval of free elected Supreme Soviet) dissolved USSR and he will
claim all territories back, will it be legal? Do not flame yet, I'm speaking
from legal point of view (in my unprofessional understanding).

From prectical point of view, my opinion is that granting Estonian citizenship
to all permanent residents of ESSR (see "propiska" for definition of perm.res.)
save maybe military (who do not have propiska, as far as I know, anyway) would
do much more good to national relations, and thus to development (or redevelopment)
of Estonia nation, too. Again in mine unprofessional understanding.

Yury
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Shafarevich
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:37:42 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: Boston University

In article <88227@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:

>muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:

>>As for sionism, meaning assembling all Jews in Palestina, 
>>or idea of preference of Jewish nation (I think that was main object of attack
>>of all those anto-sionist commities) I do not think it is all that good
>>thing.

Well, Zionism is not advocating preference of Jewish nation,
if you need clarification, please e-mail me.

> The idea of preference of any nation is called fascism.
Do you correct his mistake, Sergei, or 
try to produce one more UN resolution on this topic?!
It was overthrown, if I'm not mistaken, after CCCP went broke.

>>Yury
>
>  S.B.

Simon Streltsov			    	! Disclaimer :
PhD Student,				! I can not speak for the
Dept. of Manufacturing Engineering	! Engineering Dept, ONLY because
Boston University			! I claim to be a mathematician..

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz)
Subject: Re: Master and Margaret
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 04:57:44 GMT

>> Is anyone out there interested in a discussion of Master and Margaret?

>Go ahead!

>Greg

>P.S. 

>> -patricia margaret schwarz
            ~~~~~~~~
>Is it your first point in the aforementioned discussion? :)

No, this is actually my middle name, and maybe that's one of the few
things I can thank my vicious drunken parents for! I love this name now!!!!

Some things to discuss/debate/mull over with a flamethrower in hand:

1) Andre Sinyavsky makes an analysis of M&M wherein Woland = Stalin.
To me, this makes me puke! In my mind, Woland is the antithesis of
Stalinism. He is an alternate Saviour, and expresses a religious
philosophy where light + dark = life, and true evil is something else,
it is Stalin, who is always offstage. Any opinions on this?

2) I have heard it claimed that the subcharacters in the story represent
the Apostols. I have never done this counting. Is this possible?

3) What does Margarita represent in this story? In some places she seems
to be implicitly given the powers of even Christ, i.e. the power to
forgive the sinner Frida, who strangled her child, the product of rape
by her boss. (A feminist Christ!!) 

I would never defame Bulgakov by attempting to find "the true meaning"
of his masterpiece. But there seems to be so much to it! So many
layers...I don't want to miss any of them!

Well, that's a beginning.

Hmmm...soon I will leave for Moscow. Is there any way to get on the 'Net
without abusing friends' Institute bandwidth and without robbing a bank
to get a laptop+modem in a hurry by next week? I mean from Moscow...

-patricia
From: AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Entropy Warrior)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: The least nationalistic nation
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:36:37 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

>For instance, do you have to be Middle European to have feelings
>about Kafka?

I think what the cultural imperialist camp is saying is that you
have to be Middle European, as you call it, to have *authentic*
feelings about Kafka--though far be it from me to attempt a gloss
of reason on behalf of the Golden Horde.

-Mka
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Gogol' etc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:50:36 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

>| > Talent is not equal to saintness.
>| > It's more from God -
>
>And while it is impossible to argue with Igor and you, it is mete to ask:
>Is saintness _less_ from God?

of course, there is no scale or measurement and everything is from God
(question is - which one :-), but saintness is more God directed, straight, 
while talent being more casual and unexplainable, is more _from_ God.
Saintness is more predictable, but "chem sluchainey, tem verney".
though talent and saintness are just two different faces of God.

But being expert, Mr. Markish, you should have your own opinion
Tell us
From: covdy@shemesh.metaphor.com (Ivan Covdy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Russian poetry
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:08:47 GMT

in article <1992Sep08.141151.24896@watson.ibm.com>, bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) says:
> 
[izdevatel'skie repliki v adres Shvarz opushcheny]

Igorek, zatrahal svojej sovkovoj agressivnost'ju!
Che tak zol-to na amerikanok, a?
Baba kakaja-to ne dala, chto li?

-- 
  Ivan Covdy, covdy@shemesh.metaphor.com, METAPHOR Inc.,  CA,  USA
 *** People are looking for a Mind somewhere in the Universe,      ***
 *** because on the Earth they've been finding only the Stupidity. ***
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev)
Subject: HOBb|u XACAH!!! (was: Re: "anti-muslim" antonov
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: University of Chicago CILS
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:10:08 GMT

sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

>  [ ... ]
>   Serdar Argic
>
>			'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
>			 We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
>			 serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
>			 then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
>							  (Ohanus Appressian)

Vot on gde, novyj-to Hasan!!! A vy vse zaladili: "Patricia da Patricia"...
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