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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:03:19 EDT
From: <U3C@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Disk damage-HELP!

A freind of mine hade someone put either a pedal or the end of an axel
into his Nisi carbon fiber rear disk two weeks ago on the track....
The scraps cause a 3inch diameter area of laminate to sort of bubl and
peel off. The surounding alminate seems to want to peel off if touched.
There doses seem to be another layer of laminate under the layer that
has peeled (non of the scratches got as deep as the woven carbon fiber
layer).  What sould he do...leave it be....have a laminate "patch"
put over the damaged area..nail polish????? please help

thanks in advance....steve
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Women's Tour de France updates anyone?
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:33:25 GMT

csh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Chris Heath) writes:

>Who cares about the women's Tour ?! (provoke provoke).

That's *not* the way to find a girlfriend who cycles...
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From: rgo@druhi.att.com (Ron Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: bar-end shifters
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:28:41 GMT
Reply-To: r.g.olsen@att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Denver CO

In article <1992Aug20.142634.2528@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt) writes:

|> >	The Ultegra barcons are compatible with Ultegra and 105, but
|> >	not Dura Ace; there is a separate 8-speed Dura Ace barcon.
|> 
|> I don't know what the difference could be.  I've got Shimano RX100 down tube
|> shifters and two hyperglide cassettes (one on the training wheels and a spare
|> one) which shift quite nicely.  I have a non hyperglide 7 speed Dura Ace
|> cassette on my race wheels which shift just as well.  It's not as fast
|> but that's probably because the Dura Ace is not hyperglide.  So, I'd
|> bet if I got the Ultegra barcon it would shift just as well on either
|> cassette.  Any one else tried this?

The Ultegra barcon is not compatible with 8-speed Dura Ace; it says
so on a warning label on the rear shifter.  If your current down-tube shifters
work with 7-speed Dura Ace, then the 7-speed Ultegra barcon should
also work just as well. 

	Ron Olsen
	Boulder, Colorado
	r.g.olsen@att.com
From: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: JADP (just another data point) on tires
Date: 23 Aug 92 09:30:21 GMT
Reply-To: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh


In article <1992Aug21.165750.6728@walter.bellcore.com>, kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
[...data about tyres omitted...]
>Excel for about $27.00 each (2 for girlfriend).
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sounds like a pretty expensive deal to me...

STF
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   read "He is a very promising software engineer."
From: khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Re: All that fat
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:50:56 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.bicycles, somerville@BAEPV3.NCSU.EDU (SOMERVILLE) writes:

> High fat diets are linked to a number of serious
> diseases (such as various cancers), not just heart disease.
> Again, just because fat makes good fuel does *not* mean you
> need to eat it as *fat*!  In fact, this is an unsafe and
> (literally) tiring way to get fuel.  Your body is plenty 
> capable of converting and storing fat from other sources that
> are safe to eat.

There must be *SOME* fat in the diet.  The body cannot survive
on just carbos and protein.  While other sources can be converted
in the body and stored as fat, some fat in the diet is necessary
and beneficial.  

Your logic is flawed.  While it is true that high fat diets are
bad, this does *NOT* mean that ALL fat is bad.  If a cyclist is
doing enough milage, say 50-100 miles a day on a long tour, his/her
caloric needs will be so great that they can consume a considerable
amount of fat and still stay under the AHA guideline of <30% of 
total calories from fat.

I have received recommendations from R.D. nutritionists to include
some fat in the diet for endurance riding.  Andy Hampsten has
specifically tried to train his body to burn fat by eating more fat
(but still <30% cals) for breakfast and drinking only water for
the first hour or two of long training ride - subsequently, he went on
to his best finishes ever in ultra long TdF mountain stages
(4th at Sestriere, 170 mi, and 1st!!! (Yaaa, Andy!) at Alpe d'Huez
(120 mi).  I find this very surprising because endurance was one
of Andy's weak points in prior TdFs.

2 years ago while racing I rigorously followed a low fat diet while
training/racing about 250 miles a week.  I got my body weight down
by 5 pounds and climbed faster than I ever did.  The drawbacks were
that I felt borderline hypoglycemic with such low body fat - I was
*MUCH* more susceptible to severe bonking unless I consumed carbos
nonstop while riding.  I talked with other racers who had the same
problems.

In short, don't put any more faith in the extremist claims of militant 
vegetarians than you do in the propaganda from the beef and dairy industry. 
A little meat, ice cream, and milk won't turn you into a supermodel with
perfect teeth, nor will it strike you dead on the spot.

Keith Erskine
From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Heart Rate Monitors: What do you really use?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:08:02 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <20456@optima.cs.arizona.edu> sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed) writes:

	/* stuff deleted */
>that use HRMs: What features do you really need? I'm not interested in 45
	/* stuff deleted */
>intervals.  Do you use the target zone features, like high and low alarms?  The
>guys on my team suggest the basic model with just heart-rate, no alarms, timers
>or memories. Any dissenting opinions? Any recommendations? Any models I should
>absolutely stay away from?


I just got a Polar Favor which merely reports my pulse rate. That's the
only function that I need. A glance at the LCD tells me if I'm in my
target zone.

I would avoid the Elexis brand, which REI had on sale last spring. I had
purchased one of these and it was so inaccurate that I returned it.
The Elexis was so awful that it's a bad deal at any price.

BTW, the Elexis had a target zone alarm. I had trouble hearing it on the
road and could not hear it over the sound of a wind trainer.


-Rich
From: mccallum@fluorine.cchem.berkeley.edu (Mike Mccallum)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Stronglight MTB needle-roller headset
Date: 17 Aug 1992 17:21:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: fluorine.cchem.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug15.230534.14186@beaver.cs.washington.edu> pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel) writes:
>Looking at new headsets?
>
>[Stronglight pinch-bolt needle-bearing HS stuff deleted]

Cool.  A while back I was having trouble with the HS of my mountain bike
-- always loosening, etc -- so I bought a Joe Murray HS, which has std
bearings, but does have an integrated top race/lockring/pinchbolt.
It worked great for a while, but then it stopped staying tight.  I just
took it off to put on a new fork, and it was bent in a really crazy way.
I found out it was because of a crack underneath the bolt hole.  I replaced
it with a new top race, and now it works great again.  I think when I first
bought this HS I posted a good review of it.  I would like to temper that
now, with these remarks.
The lower bearings are larger than the upper ones.  This seems to be a good
thing, but they need to stop buying bearings from cheap suppliers.  When
I took the HS apart, the lower bearings were blackened.  They weren't 
really rough, but they certainly didn't have a polished finish anymore.
The lower seal is rubber, and doesnt' seem to do it's job very well.
The stack height is very short, and you cannot put a spacer in it, which means
that you are stuck with a short HS from then on.  I would think that the
Stronglight is a taller HS, so you may still have options with that one.
I would like manufacturers to put long steerers on their bikes and spacers
in their HS's so that you have a choice when you want/need a new HS.

--Mike
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From: ericp@vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Suntour Command Shifters
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:45:42 GMT

Ref: TBARNETT@LEXMARK.COM
Tyler, I use these on my Schwinn Circuit with Suntour components.
My R.D. is Suntour Edge and it indexes well with Command Shifters.
These shifters are really easy to use. I find myself shifting more
often and being in the right gear more often since switching to
the Command Shifters. If you do get them, be sure to order
cable stops with them ($3.99/pair@Nashbar).
Eric Pearson
ERICP@VNET.IBM.COM
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Rednecks drive BMWs, Volvos, Mercedes ...
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:34:25 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug11.135056.52789@qut.edu.au>, heard@qut.edu.au writes:
> Some observations from my cycling on country roads in 
> Queensland, Australia.
> 
> I find about three classes of annoying motorists.
> 
> 1. Those in red cars. I think it is not so much that 
> they drive worse than others, but they do drive much 
> faster on the average....

	Somewhere in the back of mind is the memory from a road-safety article
on car-accidents.  Apparently,  even taking into account the proportion of
colours to cars,  Red cars have a way higher accident rate...

	Jonathan Dodd
	University of Waikato
From: tboyd@reed.edu (Toby Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Cyclocross tires, anyone?
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:14:25 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Cyclocross tires (was Road tires)
Summary: Just Asking...
Distribution: na
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Keywords: Avocet? Specialized? Conti? durability, traction

  I'm hoping that the 'cyclers of the net will have some recommendations
on tires for a couple of not-quite-cyclocross bikes. I'm thinking of
putting Avocet's Cross tire on my Bridgestone RB-T, probably in
its 35C width. Does anyone have any good or bad impressions of this
tire? The literature on it indicates it has an inverted tread, much
like the Continental Town & Country tires I have on my mtb. Unhappily,
I haven't been able to find out the basics about it: PSI, weight, and
so on.
  Also, one of my housemates is searching for a narrow 700 knobby tire
which can be inflated to 100 PSI+. So far all I've seen are the 
Specialized TriCross, which do come pretty narrow (28C, I believe), but
are also fairly low pressure (75 PSI). Are there any better choices?
Does Conti make any cross-style tires, and if so, who carries them?

Many Thanks,
            TB
From: mikecd@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Mike Dobbert)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:15:48 GMT
Subject: MTB in Seattle area
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

Information request: I'm looking for places to MTB ride in the
Seattle, Washington area.  I'm not very familiar with the area.
Single tracks, and long steep rides are OK.  Any information would
be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks,

Mike Dobbert
mikecd@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo)
Subject: Any velodrome racers out there? I need a winter workout schedule
Organization: Motorola
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:40:33 GMT

The Northbrook Velodrome season ended last week and I finished third 
overall in the citezens category.  I will be moving up to CAT 5 next
year.  I will enter road races as long as I can this year. Does anyone 
have a weightlifting/running/trainer workout schedule for the winter to 
improve velodrome performance?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: F.Brown@massey.ac.nz (F.J. Brown)
Subject: Tandems - help from experienced riders please?
Summary: Tandem riding - can you help us?
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 02:06:08 GMT

Calling all tandem riders! (Pamela W. are you out there :-) ?)

Hi, we've just bought a tandem, our pride and joy it is a new Burley Duet we 
got imported to NZ for us.   We seem to be getting the hang of it, but I
wondered if experienced tandem netters had any tips for us as opposed to
riding a single.

Briefly, our background is:  Both of us (me - Frith - and my s.o. Denis) are
riders/racers at club - national level on road singles and sometime 
triathletes / duathletes.   Denis is obviously a bit stronger than me and 
is captaining.   We're about the same size (me 5'6", 65kg; Denis 5'8", 
75kg), which means that our 22"/20" frame is perfect for me but at it's 
lowest poss. seat-height for Denis, therefore bars a little higher than 
ideal in relation to seat-height.

Our reasons for getting the tandem (already named - Beefer - B for Burley)
are to put a bit of variety into our training, generally have fun on, and 
use in some fun rides/centuries.   We're learning after just a couple of
rides that handling is somewhat different to singles - hence the posting,
hoping to learn some tips from netters!!

Thanks in advance,

Frith

P.S. Replies by e-mail or news both fine.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bud@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (jean.f.zaleckas)
Subject: Bike Shops near Freehold
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:36:15 GMT


I'm looking for recommendations on some good bike shops in the Freehold,NJ
area. Can anyone give me references to a knowledgeable/reliable etc.
shop they have dealt with in this area?


Please send email direct!
Thanks
Jean Zaleckas
From: slawe@pobox.upenn.edu (Lauren T. Slawe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:30:32 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Well, yesterday I noticed that they were repaving the LOOONNNGG hill
coming into work.  I've always been tempted to try some speed, but
the horrible potholes and bumps kept me at a agonizingly slow speed.  
Gleaning what I can from the hints being posted under "Descending hills,"
it looks like I'm going to have some fun tomorrow morning!

BTW- Thank you all for the flood of info regarding "Confusion about Centuries..."  I truly appreciated all the imput, and have made some modifications as per
the advice given.  I got new pedals and cleated shoes, and fell over.  And, I wnt on my longest ride ever (30 miles) last sunday, and felt great.  This weekend it's 40 miles.  The response was encouraging, and I'm even more motivated now!

-Lauren
From: edr@gtech.com (Eric D. Remington)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: BIKE PARTS WANTED...
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:56:48 GMT
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI


	I am looking for a pair of (large) Pannier (sp ?) bags. I have
	looked in the local bike shops, and these things are priced
	OUT_OF_THIS_WORLD, if anyone has any used that they might like
	to sell (in the New England area) e-mail me. edr@gtech.soft.com

		Thanks
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Q: What kind of clipless pedals and shoes to buy?
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:34:01 GMT

Michael Babineau writes:

> I would find it a bit scary using the Single-Release cleat, knowing
> the only way to get out is by twisting your heels outward.

What can I say but "fearmonger".  This sounds like the admonitions of
non bicyclists when they heard that racers strap their feet into their
pedals.  Fools, they were called for not realizing they could rip off
their feet.  Mike, I hope you know that people come out of shoes
before they rip off their feet (unless they ski).  In car accidents,
fully laced shoes are often left behind by passengers in a collision.
However, bike shoes separate from pedals long before such a force is
exerted.

Since pedals rotate, no torque in that plane bears on the foot.  Thus
the only hazardous force is twist but this is the release force.  I
think you are gratuitously throwing in a hypothetical concern that has
no merit.  What I wonder, is why.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: djd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dan Dixon)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:44:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Where to Buy Nike Cross Terrain II?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

In rec.bicycles, gustilo@pop-server.upenn.edu writes:

> greetings,
> 
> I have heard good things about this shoe and would like to know where it
> can be mail ordered.
> 
> Are there also other shoes (3/4 high) that are similar in performance?
> 
> thanks in advance.
> 
> Standard Disclaimer:
>   I am not responsible for comments that I make after 3:00 AM or after five
> cups of coffee, whichever comes first.

I purchased mine from PERFORMANCE (the address and phone should be in the FAQ).
for around $70. I like them a lot, but all I have to compare them to are the
running, tennis, and hiking shoes I tried first.

One added question.  Does anyone know if the SPD cleat can be attached to this
shoe.  (the NIKE CROSS TERRAIN II) It doesn't look like it, but I've seen many 
photos of Tomac wearing these shoes snapped into something.  (granted, he 
probably just had NIKE make a special pair)  Still, It makes me curious.

--
Dan Dixon
From: pcc@s1.gov (Philip C. Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Cateye Micro bike kit
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:34:24 GMT
Organization: llnl

I have a Cateye Micro that came on a used bike I bought. I beleive
that the computer is ~2yrs old, and the pickups seem to be not 
working. The computer works on my buddies bike. I would like to 
know if these go bad often? ever? What should I do with it? can I 
get it replaced? Warranty?

Any information would be appreciated.

Phil
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From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:24:16 GMT
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

Cheryl Lynn Lavertu <LAVERTU@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes

> The problem is that, although I'm confident that I can
> handle the ascent, I'm scared to death at the idea of
> flying down the other side.

Try not to do the descent when you are tired.  The first
time you might want to take a small break at the top.

When descending, use the rear brake only, lightly, and
only when required.  Get your center of gravity down,
grip the bars firmly.  If your legs begin to shake,
squeeze the top bar with them.  Stay tight and tucked.
Most problems occur with the rider getting shakey.

Not all.  If the bike begins to oscillate, slow down -
rear brake only, slowly, and controlled.

I haven't broken 50 yet, but I'll keep trying :-).
(Is there a faster-than-50 club in this group yet ? :-)

Scott Byer                                   NeXTMail: byer@adobe.com
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1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
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From: jamie@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Jamie Cashin)
Subject: Re: AT-4 Pro bars
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:29:18 GMT

rhlu@ux5.lbl.gov (richard lu) writes:

>	Anyways, I dropped off my bike at the shop to have the new bars
>installed the next day.  Remembering the difficulties harped by those on
>the net concerning installation of the AT-4's, I _knew_ I wanted the shop
>people to do the work.  Since I bought the bike from them, they gave me
>a deal on the labor _and_ they bought back the original stem (Bonus!)  :)
>Oh yeah, the guy who did the work did a great job!  Not a scratch.  When
>I asked how he did it, he mentioned the same technique that somebody on
>the net (my apologies for forgetting who it was) already described -->the
>trick with the dime and all.

What trick... what trick?

>Maybe whoever posted that technique can add
>it to the FAQ for those do-it-your-selfers?

Or they could mail me!!

>-rich
>Happy cycling!  "AND _HEY!_ Be careful out there!"

Jamie
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From: tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402)
Subject: Re: RESULTS: Stage 6 - Womens's Tour
Originator: tan@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:48:51 GMT

From article <1992Aug21.091440.26205@riacs.edu>, by hammonds@riacs.edu (Steve Hammond):
> [results from Women's Tour]

Thanks for the coverage!  Do you (or anyone else) have results for stages
prologue through 5?

Keep up the posting!

Dave