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Subject: Re: BBB (was Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum)
From: mbraun@neptune.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Matt The Hoople)
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:30:53 GMT
Reply-To: mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Somewhere in Motorola


In article <1992Aug25.144206.19863@njitgw.njit.edu>,
bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug19.231126.58278@cc.usu.edu> sl859@cc.usu.edu writes:
|> >					BBB,
|> >P.S.  BBB is the new abreviation that you all are to perpetuate...
|> KNOWS that BBB actually stands for BloodBloodBlood.  So throw your little

I thought it was for "Better Business Bureau" to whom we report Mr. Liefield
for falsely impersonating an artist.  (Just kidding!!! ;-) I guess...)

					m@

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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Speculation and the market (was: Valiant sucks)
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 08:46:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.192508.15700@unixg.ubc.ca> jcomeau@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe Comeau) writes:
>> because Diamond often fails to ship books to stores that ordered 
>>less than 5 copies at a time.
>
>This is not true.  Diamond (I know) and I assume all other dist.  will
>ship out 1 of any given title

You're just full of misinformation today, aren't you?

According to the contract agreements of both Diamond and Capital City, they
can refuse any item order of less than three copies (Capital limits this
restriction to books under $5.00 -- I can't remember Diamond's exact wording
as we dropped them as our distributor due to uniformly poor service).

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
Just got my student loan.  Never been happier, thanks.
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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Quotes from reviews
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:34:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.044858.19038@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Vampire Hunter C) writes:
>Aside:  am I the only one who gets pi**ed off at the fact that every time
>a magazine decided to print an article on comics, it has to have a title
>like "BANG! POW!  COMICS AREN'T FOR KIDS ANYMORE!" or some such crap?
>[Please, no mentions about Ellison's PLAYBOY article.  That's the exception
>that proves the rule.]

And it's an exception for most likely one reason; that Harlan wrote the
first few paragraphs so that if Playboy had put that title on it instead
of his "Did Your Mother Throw Yours Out...", they would have looked 
incredibly braindead. 

For those wanting to read the article, it's reprinted in The Harlan Ellison
Hornbook, likely still available in better bookstores [I've had no reason
to check its print status, so it's possible it may be out of print].

"I'm a self-made man, thereby demonstrating once again the perils of unskilled
labor..." --Harlan Ellison
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Cerebus Summary Wanted (just M&D)
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:43:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep3.015615.21050@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:

(possible spoilers for latest M&D)

>     I'm especially curious about:
>          Who the large glowing nude is

I want to know who the man/aardvark is who's talking to her. Though it
did strike me that it might be Sim's Everyman, asking every woman what
it is she wants from him.
--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
  -- Brat Pack #3
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
Subject: Re: You Call That Trivia? (Repost)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:59:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.042215.13886@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) writes:
> In article <x9cnm+d.dani@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> > 
> > 1. What super power did Supergirl possess that Superboy did not?
> 
> Hell if I know.
[etc.]

Sh*t sh*t sh*t sh*t SH*T!!

I'm sorry, Dani.  I meant to send that by e-mail.  I really did.

Nuts.
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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W "GrimJim" Lai)
Subject: Re: Sandman spoiler question
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:10:46 GMT

In article <APPEL.92Aug21125339@soda.xcf.Berkeley.EDU> appel@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) writes:
>Anyways, I don't think I've
>seen anything in Sandman yet that had "no special significance."

How about the references to flavored cotton products in _A Game of You_?
Try that one on for size.
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Head for the bunkers! (was: Comics as entertainmet)
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:27:34 GMT

Oh, God -- not the art vs. entertainment debate!  I thought Bush promised
those were a thing of the past when the Wall came down!  (The dirty liar!)

Please, for future generations -- don't escalate!

                           "I can say with confidence I know a fair bit about
                            LSD."
                                           -- Dan Rather

                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
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                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**
From: mikebcg@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mikel Bancroft)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: The Ray and the New Universe
Date: 24 Aug 1992 04:03:32 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu

Okay there are two things I would like help in.  First off, I picked
up 4 of the 6 issues of The Ray, out of a 25 cent bin no less, and I
was wondering if anyone has heard any news of it going to a monthly
series.

Second, I also saw a whole bunch of New Universe books in the bin and
I was wondering if there were any titles from that series worth checking
out.  Thanks for your help.

Mikel B.
"Its not the mileage, its the make." - Cain


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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: Dvandom reads too many comics
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:33:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.032634.12879@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.204032.27341@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>>Well, the quickest way I can tell if my pull is short any given week is that if
>>I don't have at least $20 of comics in my hands, some of the books didn't reach
>>my box.  Of course, a friend of mine buys at least $30 a week, but then, he 
>>buys mulitple copies and is into Image.
>
>The way my weeks have been going lately if I'm not holding $40 in my
>hands I've wondered if I have missed something. I don't even really
>collect Image. Arrrgh. This either means those b*st*rds at Timesmasters
>are getting to me and conning me inot buying more comics or things are
>getting better out there. Naaah, must be the latter.
>
>Ooooh, Miracleman is out. Neat. Of course I'll have to wait another 6
>months for #24, but that's okay, I guess.

Well, Dave is obviously not an Indy guy :^), it's when you get that
short stack that puts a $40 hole in your pocket that you really long
for the 4-color days.  Six months?  A little optimistic, aren't we :^)

Pax ex machina,
Glenn 2099, crossover for hire
"He's been eclipsed, magusized and collapsed into only one generation,
he's worked as a scab on BloodBloodBlood and Spectacular Suicide
Squid, honorary member of the LNH and the BoENV, forget the Bug clown,
hire the Glenn-Khan and spice up your rag today!"
   --- g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, believe it or not
From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: Chess subtleties
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:08:02 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA
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In-reply-to: peterw@cs.man.ac.uk (Peter Wake)

In article <1992Aug24.182407@cs.man.ac.uk>, peterw@cs (Peter Wake) writes:
>Alice Through the Looking Glass is a game of chess, Cerebus is merely
>using chess as a conceptual tool to explain the patterns, completely
>different.  In fact Po explains (more or less) that they are playing
>chess because it is an interest of his.  Po also refers to the process
>as a play.  The chess game is merely a metaphor for what's happening
>not the other way round.

ALICE was written a century ago.  When an idea is recycled several times
over the course of 100 years, it often becomes a cliche, as using chess
as a metaphor for life has (in my opinion).  Using Diamondback as a
metaphor was much more interesting.  But chess; hell, everyone uses
chess.  Bill and Ted even made oblique fun of it in BOGUS JOURNEY,
playing cheesy Milton Bradley games instead.  (Death, it turns out, is
not much of a CLUE player.)
-- 
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 {...}!hal.com!dougm  | secrets of the universe, *Californians* would probably
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Excalibur Deaths (I don't consider it an X-book, so there)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 00:33:15 GMT

Okay, wReam, I only kept the secret since I knew not everyone can get their 
books on Thursday like me (of course, some scum can get them Wednesday).  
However, I do seem to recall that Sat-Yr-9 is a sadist, and if she could use a 
bazooka to drug Brian, she could certainly have versions of the old "mercy 
bullets" Punisher used to tote.  Just because the ejected shells looked like 
.45 cal doesn't mean they were bullets.  She'd much rather torture Our Heroes 
than kill them outright.  Of course, Alysande was pretty damn dead (bones 
powdered by Jaime).  The fact that a big subplot with her started the same 
issue leads me to believe she'll return.
     As to Sat-Yr-9 being free, when Widget opened that portal for the geek 
with the colander on his head in issue 4 or 5, she simply killed said geek and 
came through in his place, turning Courtney Ross into a stain on the rug.  I'm 
glad they finally dropped the other shoe on this one, since it's been nearly 4 
years and we could never be sure if Courtney was dead, or had killed Sat-Yr-9 
(I'm getting really tired of typing that name).
     Jaime's head hasn't been on straight since he escaped from Doc Croc.  Nor 
has he changed his clothes.  Ewwwww.....
     Dave Van Domelen, noticed Piraro ripping off PAD's "Howling Mad" recently
From: v070km6q@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Valiant sucks
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:19:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

jcomeau@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe Comeau) writes...

>I don't know why you are mad about Team Titans....  
>					...For all those people who
>bought only 1 copy of number 1, if the issue numbering was 1-5 as I said 
>earlier, you probably would have bought issues 2-5 and read all the individual
>stories and wouldn't have minded.

And for those of us who buy 2, 3, or 4 copies of a first issue, we now have to
buy 10, 15, or 20 first issues.  Like the multiple cover ploys, it's just a
sad effort to suck as much money out of the speculators as they can.

Get real - a comic only has one first issue.

						-- John S.
From: jap@acsu.buffalo.edu (James A. Perreault)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Team Titans #1's (Was: Re: Valiant sucks)
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:53:38 GMT
Organization: UB


I think its fairly obvious that D.C. is trying to mimick Marvel, with
there multiple cover gimicks.  They were a little more considerate to
the fans, giving them different stories as well.

So as to the question was it too gimicky?  Well, I enjoyed the issue
I bought ( the Terra one ) and can't comment on any of the others.  I
guess if your a big Titans fan you got your money worth.

I almost bought the second issue too; until that Cable clone showed up on
the last page.  One more ultra-tough character is something we don't need.


							Jim
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so even the most brilliant participant today is nowhere near as famous as 
the guys who were doing it when all new stuff was being discovered. 
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From: mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hmmm. . .)
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:22:56 GMT

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>The Silver Age is off to a great start.  Poor YM.

>Was it necessary to tell him about his parents?

I agree, can't wait to see where it goes.  The battle scene
was a lot of fun and YMs 1950s attitudes should bring some interesting
conflicts.

>This guy can really write.  I wonder if he's written anything
>else worth reading. :-)

Hmmm, I wonder . . . Didn't he do one of the Suicide Squid specials?
{ :-) sprinkled to your own pleasure  }

-Vincent.
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From: Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:37:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.230037.24658@midway.uchicago.edu>, mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug31.213202.26448@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> wesselak@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak) writes:
> >mkelly@lazy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
> 
> >>	Why give YM the same "miracleman" code word? Does he still have an
> >>"abraxis" -I'm sure Gargunza gave him one originally. If there is a YM-MM
> >>fight, will we hear "abraxis?"
> 
> 	"Abraxis" should certainly have been the same word for all of
> the originals, for a very simple reason-- Gargunza would have expected
> the possibility that an emergency which required its use might involve
> more than one of the Miracleman family, and if he had to spend the
> seconds it would take for any one of them to kill him saying "Abraxis!
> Alakazam!  Altair!"  he would be one dead Gargunza.  (As it happened,
> of course, he died of stupidity-- the fact that Moore could write ten
> times better prose than any of his contemporaries, and that comics
> weren't expected to have that much plot logic to begin with tended to
> mask the fact that the _plots_ of the early Miracleman stories have
> holes you can drive a truck filled with plutonium through.  :-) )

True.  I had considered posting a list of questions I had with the early
Miracleman stories; when I sat down and read them all together some holes
became apparant.  But I respect the story, and what Moore accomplished; the
impulse to pick it apart disappeared.

> >For that matter, I always wondered why MM gave YM his human body back at all.
> >MM has sworn never to use his again; why would he assume that YM would want
> >his?  Perhaps he feels that taking it away would worsen the shock of the new
> >world on YM; his human body is his psychological escape device.
> 
> 	MM won't use his human body again because Michael Moran didn't
> want to live in the new world, not because he is opposed to it

One of the more interesting. . .and under-used. . .aspects of this whole 
series is the dual-body question.  Namely, are Mickey and Miracleman the 
same person.  I can't understand why Moore not only largely ignored this, 
he removed it as a consideration.  The fact that the technology allows
the use of an entire "wardrobe" increases the interesting possibilities,
but Gaiman hasn't followed up.  Ah well.  We can only ponder, and hope. . .

Kevvy Kev
"Don't be sad, father.  The universe is a beautiful place."
 -Winter
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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Subject: Re: The Heckler (Cancelled or Not?)
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:53:49 GMT

> <Bty9ux.688@matilda.vut.edu.au> (Jed) writes:
>> intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder) writes:
>>Well, as far as I hear it from my dealer, HECKLER has been cancelled along 
>>with AQUAMAN, JUSTICE SOCIETY, GL: MOSAIC and others I may be forgetting.

>I was actually going to check it out but I guess I wont
>now. I can't stand small series that weren't meant to
>be small series. Better to save my money anyway.

>>So... if it wasn't a miniseries before -- IT IS NOW!
>>BWAAAAH-hahahahah!

>They SHOULD have made it a miniseries first. The character
>was totally untested unless I'm mistaken.

I checked the subsrciption offer in this week's DC titles, and for
what it's worth, The Heckler is still there (but so are JSA and
MOSAIC)--so I of course asked the dealer who said he heard nothing
about Heckler but confirmed JSA, Black Condor (not even listed in
the DC books anymore as an option), and Aquaman.

Even if The Heckler does get cancelled, there will probably be 10-12
issues of it since they sold people $15 annual scrips.  

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From: tbs@login.dkuug.dk (Torben B. S|rensen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: The Hacker Files
Summary: any reaction from hacker soc.?
Keywords: DC, Hacker FIles
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:11:51 GMT

The Hacker Files by Lewis Shiner seems to be the first comic book devoted
solely to hacking and computers. Does anybody know if there has been any 
reaction from the "hacker society" (programmers, companies, others).

I find that the story in parts one and two is a case of "well known plot
but we haven't seen it in a computer environment". 

Torben ---- tbs@login.dkuug.dk

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From: glitto@iastate.edu (Scott M Klabacha)
Subject: Re: Gaiman's and DC's plans
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:13:23 GMT

lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>
>After Neil wraps up the Sandman title, in about three years, he says he would
>like to do a set of stories for each of the Endless. He suggests maybe a
>Destiny prestige book, a three issue Delirium miniseries, a 12 issue Desire
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>miniseries and a Despair one-shot, but adds that he really doesn't have
>any formal plans at this point. 
>

Wouldn't it be fun to see a Delerium mini-series being announced as three
issues, being numbered as though there were going to be ten or so, and then
five issues would be released? The issues would come out in no particular
order, of course. (To take the idea to a barely logical extreme, I suppose
the pages and panels on the pages could also be orderless, as well...)

***gLITTOfERN*** glitto@iastate.edu
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From: carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: First mini-series (WAS: Re: Krypton's moons? )
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Distribution: usa
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:11:26 PST

In article <1992Aug26.124440.6206@cci632.cci.com>, das@cci632.cci.com (David Stumme (co-op)) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.143021.1@cgsvax.claremont.edu> carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes:
>>According to the 1981 "Superman presents the Krypton Chronicles" miniseries
>>(the first miniseries ever, like that did anything for it's value) the two
>>moons of Krypton are identified as:
> 
> Just a note: Krypton Chronicles was not the first miniseries. That honor
> goes to the similarly themed "World of Krypton" (not Byrne's version).  It
> ran 3 issues  and detailed Jor-El's life story.
> 
> Marvel's first mini was Contest of Champions, followed by Wolverine and
> Hercules.
> 

Right. Duh. (Whacking self on head). I actually knew that but got my brain
tied. In fact, the original WOK was going to be issues of "Showcase" (I think
103-105) before Showcase was cancelled and they decided to put them in the
miniseries format.
Thanks for correcting me.

-----
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"Why? Because over the weekend I read it." -- agent for _The_Sting_
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
Subject: Re: Sandspawn and Watchspawns
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:45:34 GMT

In article <lsmith.715462000@milli>, lsmith@milli.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
> 
> Informed sources now say that this rumor is true. Alan Moore will write
> one issue of Spawn. ("But he compared Image comics to crack cocaine!" I cry.)
> 
> Further, Neil Gaiman will also write one issue of Spawn.
> 
> Supposedly this is all beyond the negotiation phase and into the it will
> happen phase.

This must be the first time a USENET post leaves me speechless.  I really
don't know what to say.
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Subject: Fist of Konshu
From: mdturner@riker.acs.calpoly.edu (Mark)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:06:02 GMT
Reply-To: mdturner@riker.acs.calpoly.edu 
Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo

Hey what is up with Moon Knight these days?!
is it a good book?


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Mark 
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