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From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Electric Cars
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:25:24 GMT

I was at the Auto Museum in Brookline MA yesterday for the European
Car show (lots of gorgeous cars!) and wandered through the exhibits
after I'd soaked up enough leather fumes.

The one car in the exhibit that really caught my eye was a 1908
electric car.  I've already forgotten the name of the car, but not its
statistics -- a 40mi range at 20mph.

One of the things that came to mind while I was looking at the exhibit
is that electric cars really haven't improved all that much in
seventy-five years compared to their oil-powered counterparts.  This
doesn't bode well for ZEV's IMHO.

I recommend the Auto Museum if you're near Boston (it's at Larz
Anderson Park in Brookline and is open weekends in the summer).  It's
not huge but there are some gems in their collection and it's well
worth the $4 admission.

FYI,

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dgalb@carina.unm.edu (David Galbraith CIRT)
Subject: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 16:50:31 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

I've been following this debate, and I just have a quick point to bring up.

When you buy a car, you should look not just at the car, but at the dealer
to.

When comparing the Saturn against the Sentra, don't just look at the price
of the car, and the numbers they have.  Look at the number of problems they
both have, and the service people are getting to fix those problems.  If
you buy a car, but it sits in the shop being repaired all the time, I don't care
if you paid $500 for it.  It wasn't a good deal was it.  (I'm not making
any comment about the Saturn SL or the Sentra, just trying to make a point. :)

ps.

The saturn SC can kick a sentra E's butt :)  I raced a friend, (on a fairly
empty 2 mile stretch of road) and he didn't even have a chance...  Maybe 
he's just a poor driver ;)

(I've never driven the sentra, so what would I know... :)


-d.

Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: ++WHAT ARE BEST OILS FOR CAR/BIKE??++
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 08:04:37 GMT

Siddharth.Soni@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Siddharth Soni) writes:
: 
:  knew a guy at work who had a van w/ 98K miles and he had only changed the
: oil ONCE at 5K miles!!!and it ran fine....
: 
: Sidd

I've had a bit of fun with my older SAABs (they used 2-stroke engines until
1968) at gas stations.  Occasionally, I'll get strange looks as I take my
gallon gascan out of the trunk, pour a quart of two-stroke oil in it, fill
the gascan halfway or so with gas, shake it, and pour it into the tank, then
fill the tank.  It's quite a production, really.  Anyway, this Yuppie Scum
in a BMW was watching me from across the pumps, with the classic 
'what the hell are you doing' look.  I told him, "Well, the car has 210,000
miles on the engine, and has never had an oil change.  I just dump it in
here and figure it will take care of itself."  At that point, I went in to pay,
and when I came out, he was STILL standing there dumbly, dazed and confused.

I LOVE it when that happens!

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
Pherrets are Phun!! 
SAAB - you get what you pay for; you pay (and pay, and pay) for what you get.
hinz@picard.med.ge.com


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tbigham@shearson.com (Tim Bigham)
Subject: Re: M5 vs. Sports Cars
Organization: Lehman Brothers, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:39:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.184112.17740@cabot.balltown.cma.COM> welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.174615.25967@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith) writes:

>but the best vette, the best 300ZX, and the best bimmers are all very, very
>competent cars, which renders this whole discussion tedious, childish,
>and pointless.

	Thank you Richard. Someone had to say it.

>
>cheers,
>  richard
>-- 
>richard welty                            518-393-7228
>welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
>  ``if you can read this, mario, you're too close''
>    -- bumper sticker seen on a CART safety truck


--
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Lehman Brothers, Inc.			| and should not be construed as those of 
AMEX Tower, World Financial Center	| my employer.
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: (Eric Youngblood)
Subject: Re: IT'S YOUR FAULT!
Reply-To: Peon w/o Email priv (Eric Youngblood)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:58:07 GMT

In article <181@mogun.UUCP>, dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul24.121303.19416@bnr.ca>, ericy@crchh435.bnr.ca (Eric Youngblood) writes:
|> > In article <1992Jul23.174231.160@lrc.edu>, blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:
|> > |> You filthy money-grubbing, rich capitalist pigs driving fast sports cars and
|> > 
|> > so.....
|> > 
|> > What's your point.
|> > 
|> > Ericy
|> 
|> 8^)
|> 
|> I think the point is on his head Eric.
|> 
|>  
|>                       
|>                                           
|>                      
|>                      |                    
|>                      | David Gunsul       
|>                      | dcg@mogun.uucp      
|>                      |------------------------------------------------
|>                      |  It's amazing what 2,500 worth of big block
|>                      |  will do to 60,000 worth of high technology. 

oh.




How silly of me to miss it.




Ericy
:^)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: A new GM 
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: na 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:28:24 GMT


As a follow on to my last post. That Buick was owned by some
company VP before I bought it. I got the feeling that it was
not broken-in properly which would account for the oil
consumption. Even when I got it at about 35,000 miles it
used to be down a quart at each oil change (5000 miles). Had
I had it from the beginning, I'm sure it would have shown
better numbers at its 140,000 mile departure.

Bob.

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ucehud@socrates.umd.edu (Ehud Oentung)
Subject: rec.autos
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:12:04 GMT


I need your comment and opinion...
I am going to buy a car next month, and I am thinking about buying
Hyndai Sonata.  Would anybody tell me the bad and good things about
that car?

Thanx.



-- 
Ehud Oentung                       "PHYSICS IS THE FOUNDATION" 
email : ucehud@socrates.umd.edu                FOR
	ehud@bss1.umd.edu            "ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING" 
	ehud@eng.umd.edu
From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: unmarked cop cars
Date: 28 Jul 1992 16:59:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister

From article <152oieINN9i@agate.berkeley.edu>, by shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy):
> There has been many postings concerning unmarked cop cars.  I thought
> the law says that all police cars must be clearly marked on the 
> outside so that they can be spotted.  (Please don't flame me if this
> sounds ignorant for this is what I thought the way things worked.)

It doesn't sound ignorant at all.  What the law actually says is that to
be used in a traffic stop a cop car must be clearly marked as one (I'm
pretty sure that there is a definition of what clearly marked means) and
must be painted in a scheme that has been approved by (some state
official).  

The big change in California is that that state official is approving
any paint scheme the cops want to put on a car.

> It appears that the government is doing as much as it can to catch
> people who speeds.  Just the other day, my friend got caught by photo-
> radar in Southern California.  Was slammed with $50+ for being 10 MPH
> over in a 30 MPH area....

The state courts have been throwing photo radar citations out pretty
regularly.  State law requires that a DRIVER be cited for a traffic
infraction.  So, state law does not permit the citation of a vehicle or
its owner for a traffic infraction.  A photo radar citation delivered
through the mail is invalid on its face.

As to doing what ever they can to nail speeders?  Sure they are.
Speeders have been a great source of fine revenue for 80 years now.  It
makes no difference to government that what they are doing has no
positive effect on safety.

Chris Prael
From: nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Mixing tires?
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:53:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Flying Squid Patrol

I was wondering about the effects of mixing tires on a car.  A friend has
Eagle GT+4's, but only the front two need replacing.  I am pushing her to
replace them with something different, because the GT+4's are too expensive.
The car is FWD, BTW.  Is there any particular danger in having different
tires in front and rear?

One of her back tires is almost brand new, while the other is getting
near replacement time.  What about mixing left-to-right?  That sounds more
dangerous to me, but otherwise she will have to either get another Eagle
to replace the worn one, or waste a nearly new tire and replace both the
rears.  Comments?

 __ _ _ _ _ _,--------------------------------------------------. _ _ _ _ _ _ 
/, \ \ \ \ \ \  Neil Weinstock @ AT&T Bell Labs, Liberty Corner  \ \ \ \ \ \ \
 | | | | | | |     believer in the horrendous space kablooie     | | | | | |
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rrk@vixen.uucp (24115-kutz)
Subject: Re: 1989 Ford Tempo problem
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 13:39:13 GMT
Summary: fuel pump recall

In article <Brr8vs.8EK@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cyg1431@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Who needs to know ) writes:
> Awhile back I posted a question about my fuel pump
> on my Ford Tempo and got many helpful responses.  I decided
> to continue driving it without changing it.  Recently my
> car stalled after a long 4 hour trip and I thought it had
> to be the stupid fuel pump.  The fuel pump was quite loud,
etc.
> Symptoms:  
> 1.  When car idles after a long while, it sometimes dies.
> 2.  Fuel pump has been suspect.  I don't know if these things
>     completely fail or intermittently fail over time.
> 
> 
> Chris
> cyoung@uicsltc.csl.uiuc.edu
> 
> 
I have a 1988 Ford Tempo whose checkered history includes a recent
(within 6 months) free fuel pump replacement due, I'm pretty sure, to
a recall.  The car was showing no symptoms - but the dealer advised
having it done right away any way.  An interesting car, the Tempo.

Randy Kutz  rrk@vixen.bellcore.com

Randy Kutz    Bellcore       ..!bellcore!vixen!rrk
                            or rrk@vixen.cc.bellcore.com
From: wiryaman@riscee.pko.dec.com (Santa Wiryaman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: advice needed: 1992 Dodge Caravan
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:51:30 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA

In article <92204.30103.6310550@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6310550@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>Are the child seats worth getting ? 

As a $400 option?  No way.  You can get two top of the line car seats at
Toys R Us for much lower than that.  These will definitely be more comfortable
for the kids than the integrated car seats.

Anyway, I just bought a Mazda van after comparing it with a Caravan or Previa.
IMO, Mazda has better handling and firmer suspension than Caravan.

-- 
Santa Wiryaman

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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: ccw@slee07.srl.ford.com (C. C. Warren)
Subject: Re: 86-88 T'bird: Turbo, V6 or V8?
Organization: Ford Motor Company Scientific Research Labs, Dearborn, MI
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:20:20 GMT

stevenh@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (steven.t.heinsius) writes:
: I agree running the car for a while will let it cool down,
: a friend of mine has a "SHO" and is on his 3rd turbo,
: another friend had a T-bird (wow i have 2 friends) and 
: she put a turbo in at 30K.

Hmmmm, a SHO Turbo....neat idea. But alas, t'aint no such beast (at least
not in production).

The SHO (as in Tausus SHO) is a 3.0L 4-valve-per-cylinder natually aspirated
V-6.
--
*************************************************************************
*My opinions are mine and do not necessarily reflect in any way those *
*of my employer.                                                        *
*Chris Warren:  ccw@slee01.srl.ford.com                                 *
From: knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:46:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL (SE-R & SC)
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

> 
> Well, this is it. That's what I've been saying all along Tom [Saturn's are 
> AMERICAN and that's MOSTLY why all the hype]. But is this the AMERICAN WAY, 
> "THE RIGHT WAY"? And not the FITTEST/BEST survive as we are taught since we 
> were kids? If you answered 'Yes' to the first question, against the Laws of 
> nature, I wonder what would be the future of the Big 3 [America in general]. 
> Very dim indeed. What would we be driving when other people's car don't even 
> need roads..? Wouldn't we still be driving 70's style cars now? Competition 
> is good, no doubt in my mind. We are already giving the big 3 too many breaks.

I thoroughly agree that the American auto industry got itself in trouble
because of arrogance and stupidity. As the quality declined relative to
the imports, I felt that it was the right thing in the vain of capitalism
that American car sales declined while imports increased. The Japanese
taught us a lesson that some here are finally starting to learn. The
Saturn was an attempt to compete head-on with the Japanese imports. It
is my opinion that they have done a good job at this; this is where we
seem to disagree.

> I happen to own a Nissan that I'm totally in love to death with. Every time
> I get behind it's wheel I feel as if I just won the lottery. I can never
> wait until I can drive it again.

This is exactly how I feel when I drive my SL. 

> No American car ever made me feel this

Ditto until I drove the Saturn.

> for the buck. GM and the other big 2 respond. As it has been said before, 
> the Saturn is NOT the big break-through it is believed/hoped-to-be by the 
> 'freakin' media but it is a good start (it is a break-through for GM). 

The media was quite hard on Saturn at first, stating exactly what you
say, that it did not meet the initial high expectations.

> I do like for the US to have a strong economy, I live here and it probably 
> effects me more than most, but if you are far sighted hiding behind the 
> flag is not the solution.

It effects us all more than we are willing to admit. I agree that to buy
a poorly made product because it is US-made is counter-productive. But I
perceive that this country is slipping fast, in part by our own greed,
and in part by the well-documented unfair trading practices with which
Japan is screwing us. So if I see a US product that is nearly as good,
for about the same money, I'll give the US-made product the benefit of
the doubt. If we all continue to do what we want without regard to its
impact, then we might as well kiss our kids' future goodby. Our
generation is having a tough enough time compared to our parents' as it
is. The situation will only get worse.

> 
> Arguing about this is like arguing who is better: Bush or Clinton.
> If you want a car with more performance and more fun to drive pick 
> the Sentra. But if you place MOST ANY WORTH on buying American, the
> Saturn is made for you.

I like the Saturn better than you, that seems clear. I appreciate value,
and I wouldn't throw money away just because it was Made in USA.

Tom
From: ccm038@rosie.ucdavis.edu (Jason Yan (can cook))
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Is there going to be a NEW 1993 Toyota Supra?
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:15:00 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis
Originator: ccm038@rosie.ucdavis.edu


I was wondering, I've been seeing all the hype in car magazines about the
MX-3, MR2, etc, etc., but what about the Toyota Supra?  I have an 87 Supra
(the new design was introduced in 1986) and was counting the number of years
that the Supra's design hasn't changed - that's almost 7 years!  Yikes!
Is it going to turn into a classic or what?  

I heard a rumor last year that it would be totally different in 1992, but
it's 1992, and I see the same Supra (not that I don't like it, I do.  It
only makes my car worth more).  :-)   Has anyone heard anything about the
1993 model?  Looks like it's going to stay unchanged....

Oh well, I just thought I'd ask, because none of the car magazines seem
to know anything about the Supra.  They seem to love comparing sport
model cars, but somehow all they ever talk about are the little dinky
sporty coupes like MR2, NX, and that little red hot chilly pepper thing.

Personally, I don't like cars that are too round.  They look like eggs.
Nowadays, I can't tell the difference between a Lexus, 929, MX-6, etc,
because they all look the same!  Same headlights, same rounded front end,
same looking sides.  If I didn't know any better, I'd say that one guy
designed all the cars.  The only thing that really differentiates them
are the rear ends.
From: Brian.E.Hannon@dartmouth.edu (Brian E. Hannon)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Info on electric cars
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:34:29 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Jul21.011857.8243@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>
mdgerha@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (EA Gerhardt michael d) writes:

> Recently Maryland passed laws requiring people to carpool
> or use mass transit or be fines and/or fired. This goes into
> effect in 1995. (I may not have this totally correct but I
> think it is close).  I do not want to use these options so I
> am looking for info on electric cars, anything is appreciated.

That law sounds really screwy, but here's the info that you requested. 
The three most prominent manufacturers of electric cars in the US are
Solectria Corp, Arlington, MA;  Solar Car Corp, Melbourne, FL;  and
Solar Electric Vehicle Corp, Los Angeles, CA.  They all convert
gasoline cars to run on electric and solar assisted electric. 
Solectria sells Geo Metros for $25-30K, Solar Car Corp sells Ford
Festivas for $20-25K and Chevy S-15 Pickups for $25-30K, and SEV Corp
sells Ford Escorts for $20K.

In the 1995 model year GM plans to have Impact on the market, and all
major manufacturers will have to have cars on the market by 1996 to
meet California law.

Bri
From: hugo@bluehau.bubble.org (Hugo Bueno)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Compressors & Air To
Keywords: motors
Date: 26 Jul 92 13:10:23 GMT
Organization: The Blue House

Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.Fidonet.org (Larry Mc Donald) says:
>
>EY>The rating is stamped on a metal plate riveted to the motor housing, HP is
>EY>a meaningless term, but most people are not going to
>EY>understand torque ratings.
>
>   Horsepower = Torque * RPM * (A Constant, depending on units)
>
>EY>comes out to about 2.4 hp. Better motors produce more torque at the same hp
>EY>rating than cheaper ones. Your best bet is to get a compressor that is driven
>EY>by a motor made by manufacturers that are recognized for their high quality.
>
>   The only way to do this is by lowering RPM and keeping torque
>constant. Better motors do have a higher service factor (reserve
>power) than do cheaper ones. Check the label on the Sears unit
>and I'll bet the service factor, if printed, is 1.0. This means
>the motor is being used at its limits. Most industrial motors
>come with 1.2 SF (for pumps, usually) and 1.5 (most other
>applications). What this means is when Sears sells you a 1hp
>motor, it's actually a 3/4hp with a 1.0SF.

Umm, wrong about the service factors.  Motors over 3 HP
generally have a service factor of 1.15.  If you're going
to get a motor with a 1.5 service factor, you might as well
just go up to the next frame size, right?

Motors SMALLER than 3 HP can have higher service factors.
Electric motors generally conform to NEMA standards so that for well
known manufacturers of motors, torques, RPMS, etc are pretty
much the same between brands.

>
>EY>I do not know why you feel Sears products are inferior. Sears has used brand
>EY>name venders for components in thier product for years. IMO
>
>   The last Sears compressor I took apart had stamped sheet metal
>connecting rods, with *NO* crank bearings. Not what I'd call top
>notch, so to speak! They do tend to be worth about what Sears
>asks for them, but then buying used industrial equipment for the
>same price will get you better equipment with longer service to
>you.

Well, ya get what ya need.

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From: K.Buck@ma30.bull.com (Ken Buck)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: MAZDA DEALER RIP OFF
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:19:14 GMT
Reply-To: K.Buck@ma30.bull.com
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.
Originator: buck@granite.ma30.bull.com

In article <4ac1Hkhft8@atlantis.psu.edu> hvozda@wilbur.psu.edu (Eric Hvozda) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.111938.11309@mips2.ma30.bull.com> K.Buck@ma30.bull.com writes:
>>In article <2620049@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> lea00@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM
>>> The dealer I bought my new 626 from was the only dealer that could 
>>>do warranty work on my car.
>>
>>the *dealership* may have told you this, but did _Mazda_
>>tell you this too?
>
>Ah, but in places like Allentown, dealers agree not to work on cars bought
>at another dealership.  It really stinks too.  I am speaking specially of
>the dealerships down on Emmaus Street.

i'll believe that _dealerships_ will agree to just about anything.
but is Mazda aware of this practice and do they approve?
(the same question applies to any other brands you may choose as well)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: (Eric Youngblood)
Subject: Re: Air Conditioning
Reply-To: Peon w/o Email priv (Eric Youngblood)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:32:07 GMT

In article <yfmmrvb@dixie.com>, jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
|> 
|> Several people have been working on an alternative.  DuPont has a product
|> called SUVA that is designed to be a drop-in replacement for R-12.
|> George Goble (ghg@ecn.purdue.edu) has developed another patent pending
|> substitute.  Not only is this product a drop-in replacement, it actually 
|> improves the cooling capacity of the system by an average of 20%.  I have
|> been involved with George since the beginning and have installed 
|> GHG in over a dozen cars.  Over 400 cars total are now running GHG.
|> 
|> John
|> -- 

John,	

Can you post more information about these drop-in replacements? I have a old
Firebird/TA that I'd like to keep. I've always purchased R-12 in the 30lb tanks
and have enough to maintain the system, but I would be willing to use a suitable
replacement in order to be enviro-friendly. It would seem if there is enough 
demand that someone will supply the product. How stable are they? Are they
flammable? Are they toxic (if so would a respirator protect you while handling?)

Thanks,		

Ericy
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