From: bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Why a sawed-off shotgun?
Date: 12 Sep 92 07:35:38 GMT
Reply-To: bws20@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article: <1992Sep9.205936.27220@rti.rti.org>

 (see enclosure)

Joe writes about the Weaver incident in response to my anti-Weaver vitriol
 1) The dog was shot without provocation?  IS this what the feds say?
    or is this what Harris the murderer of a fed says?

2) Guns are pointed at the kid, he points his back, and is shot.  Bummer.
Obviously Daddy didn't teach him prudence or tactics.  This really
    is too bad for the son, who unfortunately was a product of his
father's beliefs.

3) Belated ID as the feds.  Not surprising and not condoned by me.
IT _is_ possible that events transpired too swiftly...?  Transcripts
   I read of WEaver's phone conversation with a supporter indicated _he_
   beleived they were being approached by agents of the ZOG, which I would
   interpret as feds (FBI, marshals, whatever).. CErtainly they were not
 a crack team from the LEague of Women Voters...


4)  True patriot--I think so , but certainly not a perfect one.  Certainly
     more than someone who sells illegal weapons, or hates others because
     of their race, or who shoots feds.
5) Glad to have me with you--why thanks, joe!

bws--and if this is a tired old subject for tpg, please feel free to
   continue discussions with me directly.


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In article <fbPY02lS20ew01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons) writes:
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>#It has come to my attention that Mr Weaver's "crime" was having a shotgun
>#barrel too short by *** .1 inch ***. Certainly justification for all the
>#bloodshed that has and will occur over the matter. [sarcasm off]
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>
>It seems to me that murdering a federal law enforcement official is
>sufficient reason for bloodshed.

The federal law enforcement official was not killed by Weaver, and the feds
drew first blood.

The marshal who was killed was one of a group who, after shooting Weaver's
dog without provocation in front of Weaver's 13-year-old son, Sam, pointed
their guns at Sam, who pointed his own gun back. It's not clear who
fired the first shot, but shooting began at that point and a family friend,
Kevin Harris, who was behind Sam, shot the marshal after one of the
marshalls had shot Sam. Sam was shot again, in the back, and killed by the
marshals. Then and only then did one of the men (who was dressed in
camouflage) identify himself to Harris as a federal marshal.
 
>  It seems unfortunate to me Weaver
>was not slain before he managed to breed.  The only thing worse than
>a racist asshole is a _religious_ racist asshole, except perhaps a
>religious racist asshole who may pass his perverted beliefs on to
>another generation. [No sarcasm to turn off]

Well, a true patriot of the land of the free, I see.
Real glad to have you with us.

  -joe
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