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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: German "Star Trek"
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:49:55 GMT

> german contraction? huh? what? when did this happen?
> i'm not quite sure what you mean with that (refresh my memory: what exactly
> do you consider a german contraction?). if you mean the everpopular
> "umlaut", i would say he should have no problem using it. it's only
> phonetics, after all.

Do you know any German at all or are you just not aware of contractions when
you are using them? There are many examples like 'zu dem' becomes 'zum' and
'bei dem' becomes 'beim'. In cases like these I have been told by native
germans that the contraction is actually the correct form and no one would
ever use the other form. Does that clear it up any?

> i don't see why any foreign language should be a problem for him. i think
> the reason he doesn't use contractions is because he was programmed to speak
> the way he does. if it would be the proper use within the standard
> parameters to use something like a contraction then he most likely would be
> able to use it. since contractions aren't exactly the most proper thing in
> the english language he isn't able to use them.

But he is also programmed with the ability to learn and change his own
programming to more or less 'evolve'. Contractions may not be the most proper,
but neither is slang which Data seems quite able to use!

> the real question is: if data were stranded in switzerland - could he speak
> the german dialect that some swiss use?

No the real question is just what I asked! If Data was speaking any language
other than English that uses contractions of some form would he use the
contraction or not?

Or how about this! Say Data did not know any language and learned English
by hearing other people speaking it. And suppose these people ALWAYS used
contractions! Then would Data by default use them since that would be the
only form he could equate as correct since it is the only form he knows
at all.

I think I just proved that Data can use contractions, at least in new
languages that he learns.
From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Points of view
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 00:14:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14

Shacha Tom!

[tt] someone inside (this happened in TAI, for example).  However, I
     can't recall a single occasion where "we" are in the turbolift and
     it stops to let someone in.  Has this ever happened?

Yes, at least once in ST II, where Kirk is talking with Saavik, and then
McCoy enters and mutters something about the idiot stopping the lift.
(The original mail didn't make it through here ...)

Shacha Matt!

[mh] elevators.  The elevators might simply ignore requests by persons
     greatly lower in rank than the passenger... that is, if Picard is going

This would be highly illogical! Imagine, someone is suddenly called for some
important duty, and has to wait because of his rank!
No, I just take it as coincidence, since there have to be enough of these
elevators to make sure, everybody gets where he/she needs to in time.

Oyori - Sem [from Northern Germany]
From: awesome@tradent.wimsey.bc.ca (Travis Leippi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Top 10 lists
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 19:43:35 PDT
Organization: TradeNET International Trade Corp.

Has there been any lists posted in the last week.  I was away for the 
last 5 days./
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: bjelli@cosy.sbg.ac.at (Brigitte Jellinek)
Subject: Looking For Saavik  II
Organization: University of Salzburg, Austria
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:36:53 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Looking for Saavik II


 Hi Trekkers !

 I've tried this before (during the summer), 
 but I didn't get many answers then, 
 so I try again:

 I'm a real big fan of Saavik, and I'm trying to find all the
 stories about her.
 So far I found:

 FILMS:
     STAR TREK II:  The Wrath Of Kahn
     STAR TREK III:  The Search for Spock
     STAR TREK IV:  The Voyage Home
 BOOKS:
     "STAR TREK II:  The Wrath Of Kahn"        )
     "STAR TREK III:  The Search for Spock"    ) by Vonda MyIntyre
     "STAR TREK IV:  The Voyage Home"          )
     "The Pandora Principle"                     by Carolyn Clowes
 COMICS:
     Saavik has appeared in many of the Star Trek comics from DC; 
     virtually every issue of the first series (1982-1988) and 
     in the most recent story in the current series (1989-on).

 I haven't read the books of the films jet, but I can *highly* recommend 
 _The_Pandora_Princple_. It's absolutely the best Trek novel I've ever
 read.

 The information about the comics was supplied by Jolyon A. Silversmith.
 I don't know too much about Star Trek comics, only that they are 
 hard to get by here in Austria. I would be very glad if someone could
 recommend which of the comics I should buy.

 Does anyone out there know about other stories with Saavik?
 If you do, please let me know. Just e-mail me at bjelli@cosy.sbg.ac.at
 Anyone interested in the answers ? Send me an note and I'll summarize.

 Thanks in advance

 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
 live long           "In that case, Mr Spock, I would like to ask
  and prosper           a question"   Saavik in 'the pandora principle'
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: bio1edr@cabell.vcu.edu (Erica D. Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: WANTED: Uniform Patters
Date: 12 Oct 1992 08:08:10 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hello out there:

I am seeking anyone with information on getting PATTERNS for the
uniforms in Star Trek (NEW or OLD) - Especially Troi's dress, TNG
dress uniform, Picard's vest/jacket, and the uniforms from the movie
ST 6.  I know that you can get the pattern for the first season TNG
uniforms (I have one already).  I have heard a rumor that you can
write paramont and get them (for a price I'm sure).  If anyone can
validate this rumor (or disclaim it) and send me any info on it or
even the address to paramont I would be ecstatic!

However, I DO NOT want information on getting pre-made uniforms.  I
am quite accomplished at sewing and it is cheaper to make it myself.

Erica
bio1edr@cabell.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: Why is Wesley in Yesterday's Enterprise question
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:00:48 GMT

>In article <1992Oct14.135150.13682@stsci.edu>, wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:

>> This is *ALL* my conjecture, and may or may not be the rationale of
>> the TNG people at Paramount.

In article <7728@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) states:
>The "real" reason is that Will Wheaton was under contract and it said that
>the HAD to use him.

I doubt many (any?) of us have actually *seen* Wheaton's contract, but
I doubt that any of the principals' contracts state that the actor
must appear in a given episode.  Spiner (Data) has not appeared in all
episodes, for example.

I wonder what thread *this* article is going to start :-).  Please,
guys, change the subject if appropriate.
-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
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From: mpk9716@rigel.tamu.edu (Health Man)
Subject: Hologram trading cards
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:19:00 GMT

	How much are trartrek hologram trading cards selling for in your
part of the world.  Down here in Texas, those from the 2nd series are $10.00
and the first series cards are $20.00.  However one store has them priced
at $35.00 each!!  I don't think he is selling them.

Mike
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Kirk VS Picard (was "Lost In Space" was better)
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:30:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Oct13.153022.19296
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Oct12.200828.15776@engage.pko.dec.com> moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.113908.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes...
>Don't forget in one of the early episodes Spock is rather excitable as he calls
>out data from one of the scanners on the bridge.  This is a holdover from The
>Cage pilot, where Vulcans are a _very_ emotional race, and before they finally
>decided that Vulcans were supposed to be without emotions.

Excitable?  Nah.  He was practicing naval tradition.  Sort of like
yelling "Sir, yes, sir!"  when addressing your drill sargeant.

In short, he was going by the book, as Lt. Saavik suggested.
From: cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST books - some observations
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:17:45 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <zebee.718443915@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au>, zebee@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone) writes:
> With all the to-ing and fro-in about ST novel quality, herewith my 
> very-humble-opinion.
> 
> Barbara Hambly did it for me in Ishamael, but her other ST book (can't
> even remember the name - Ghost HUnters?) was so awful on a quick flip
> through that I didn't bother buying it.
> 

Did you enjoy Ishmael, too?  I had no idea what I was getting into when
I started that book.  I thought it was just fabulous!  The key to loving
that book was that you really had to be a 'Here Come the Brides' fan to
appreciate the connection with Spock's dad and Aaron Stemple, both played
by the same actor.  I just loved it!  

-Pamela Cho-

Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.misc:10470 alt.folklore.urban:25872
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Kirk's Middle Name -- now it CAN be told!
Summary: Absolutely TRUE!
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:41:56 GMT
Reply-To: tjw+@pitt.edu
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <9210160334.AA02166@cabell.vcu.edu>, bio1edr@cabell.vcu.edu (Erica D. Rodgers) writes:

> To those folks who posted followups to Kirk vs Picard and speculated
> on Kirks middle name:  It is a T and it stands for TIBERIUS!  If you
> recall from ST6, it was announced at his trial with the klingons.  It
> is NOT Ted, or Roy or any such thing.  It was mentioned in several
> episodes and the movies.

What do Klingons know?  James "T" Kirk always lied to them every change
he got.  I'm sure his middle name is actually "Terry".

Terry "J" Wood

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: mholtz@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark A. Holtz)
Subject: Re: Mark Holtz's TNG List of Lists
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:18:24 GMT

In <BvvArE.EB3@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan) writes:
>On October 1, Mark Holtz posted the following:
>>I will be posting the TNG List of Lists saturday evening or Sunday
>>morning. They will be posted as version 9/13/92a, as the only
>>changes is the addition of the Stardates for "Times Arrow II",
>>"Realm of Fear", and "Man Of The People", and the descriptions of
>>"Realm of Fear", "Man Of The People", and "Relics", courtesy of
>>Mike Brown. ;)

>Later on, he posted that he was having trouble distributing the
>lists he maintains and needed help, which I assume is the reason
>that he did not post the list.

As for the posting that was *SUPPOSED* to occur last Saturday,
sactoh0 had a hiccup and the news sysstem was down. It's back
on-line now, but I received additional information. Sigh. I
shooting for ext Sunday. (Knock on wood with a sledgehammer)

>Normally, in a case like this, I'd write to the person who controls
>the list, but I know that Mr. Holtz does not keep his lists online.

Thats correct. Each user on sactoh0 is allocated only 850 blocks
(I'm not sure what size). If someone exceeds that limit, they start
receiving messages from the system to get rid or download some of
the files. After two weeks, the system starts deleting files in the
directory itself, starting with the oldest.

Part of the problem lies in that a person wrote to me complaining
about the ftp sites having versions from January....not good. In
addition, there are several folks who have no access to the ras
groups, but who have mail access that want to be on a mailing list.
Several people have stepped up and responded, I will be contacting
them shortly.

>I really like having the List of Lists, especially for the episode
>listing.  The last one I received was on 4/1/92, so it's quite out
>of date.  Since the list Mr. Holtz talked about was labeled "9/13/92a,"
>I assume that he posted a version around 9/13 (someone else also
>commented that it had been recently posted).  Could someone *please*
>send me a copy of that version, or, for that matter, any version that
>was released after April?

Will someone please help this guy out, please? Thanks.
>-- 
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From: ch134@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michelle Guydosh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: origins of Q
Date: 15 Oct 1992 20:50:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


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I'm not sure if this has been addressed before, but I think Q is one of the more interesting characters[C[C[C[C[C[C[Dse
interesting caracters on TNG.  I was wondering if anyone has any info. on him.
Sorry about any mi 
mistakes but this is the first time I'm doing this. thanks for any info.
A nervous sophomore from the North /Country
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: "paul tucker" <paul.tucker@canrem.com>
Subject: tng font
Reply-To: "paul tucker" <paul.tucker@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:29:14 EST

  I know I've seen reference to this in the past, but I don't recall where.
If I remember it correctly, the 'STAR TREK' as used in the opening credits
either is, or is based on a specific font.

  Could someone reply here, or by e-mail and tell me the name of that font?

Thanks.

Paul Tucker
Artful Applications.
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From: pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Pete - Toonatic - Boulay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Posted for my girlfriend
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:41:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: pjb4288@ultb

This is posted for my girlfriend...please reply  to 59048808Q@servax.fiu.edu

From:	IN%"59048808Q@SERVAX.FIU.EDU" 14-OCT-1992 22:16:08.42
Subj:	Uniform Insignias


	To anyone who has a MAIN STREET COLLECTABLES Star Trek catalog...
Could somebody please tell me what is the difference between...

	1)  N.G. Communicator Rank Pin  vs.  N.G. Cloissone Pin

	2)  Collar Rank Pin  vs.  Collar Rank Pin with BK center

If by Pin, they mean the pips that are worn on the collars, then I assume
they mean solid vs. hollow pips.  If not, then I'm really lost.
	For those who have the catalog, the pins are on pg. 12--I can't
see the difference.  So I'd appreciate any and all answers.

Thanks in advance,
Mary
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From: rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Multi-lingual "Star Trek" (was Re: German & Italian "Star Trek")
Date: 13 Oct 1992 15:28:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


	Since I got this whole ball rolling by making the original
request for the opening in German, and since there seems to be lots
of interest, I hereby volunteer to put together a FAQ listing of
these multi-lingual openings.  Currently I have the German versions
for TOS and TNG.  Please E-mail me any submissions, and I will
post the entire collection.  Note:  I am a native speaker of English,
and can read/write passable German; I cannot correct spelling or
grammar of other languages :) :)
-- 
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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Idea For Weapon
Date: 7 Oct 92 05:28:30 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <6OCT199214380671@utkvx2.utk.edu> dchatham@utkvx2.utk.edu (Chatham, Doug) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.152548.19383@ncsu.edu>, rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE) writes...
>> 
>>I watched "Best of Both Worlds I" (again) last night
>>and came up with a good idea for a weapon to fight
>>the borg with during hand to hand.  Instead of using phasers
>>which can be adapted to, they should replicate some 20th
>>ccentury hand-guns or machine guns.  Let's see the borg
>>adapt to a .357 slug up their ass!
>
>The shields the Borg used to deflect phaser fire can certainly be adapted to 
>the purpose of bulletproofing.

Well, I'm guessing that all that black stuff they have already acts
as armor.  Just about every other non-flesh part of these guys
seems to be metal, and I doubt they would use weak metals in their
own construction, so I'd say that they're already bulletproof.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
From: dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Legal?
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:17:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BvtHL0.ICq
Organization: UB

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but:

Is it horrendously illegal for people to post Star Trek scripts
(from the movies or series) to the newsgroup?  Scenes are always
trimmed away in the final cut and it would be interesting to see
things that the writers had envisioned but never made it to the screen.

Since licensed dealers sell scripts at conventions, I'm guessing 
they are not illegal to own, and as long as you're not charging money
to see it, no laws are broken by showing a script to someone else.

Right or wrong?

(No flames, please, I'm not a copyright lawyer.)


-- 
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From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (Lorna Payne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: r.a.s.creative
Date: 13 Oct 92 10:41:31 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Oct13.124155.10652@exu.ericsson.se>, exujep@exuexu.ericsson.se (Jeff Epstein) writes:
> 
> Whtever happened to r.a.s.creative ? I never find any postings in there
> anymore ?
> 
> Jeff

Well, Jeff, you may be looking in the wrong place.  There is (to the best
of my knowledge) no such group as r.a.s.creative.  There is, however,
a group called alt.startrek.creative (frequently mentioned as a.s.c, and
*not* to be confused with S.C.A :-)).  a.s.c is very active these days.
-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: ST books - some observations
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:33:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.181745.1824@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>
>Did you enjoy Ishmael, too?  I had no idea what I was getting into when
>I started that book.  I thought it was just fabulous!  The key to loving
>that book was that you really had to be a 'Here Come the Brides' fan to
>appreciate the connection with Spock's dad and Aaron Stemple, both played
>by the same actor.  I just loved it!  

But if you've never seen the other show, the references to it are
annoying (in the sense that they're an "in-joke" that you're not privy
to), and the book doesn't really have any other qualities.  I've always
thought that Ishmael was one of the worst (at least, before
"Dreadnought!" :)

I've heard that Hambly & Pocket had some legal trouble over using
characters from a TV show they didn't have the rights to... did anything
ever come of this?
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From: bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Col. Devon McKnight)
Subject: Re: Let's put this on a FAQL (Re: O'Brien's Rank)
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 21:03:41 EDT

Windsor A. Morgan writes:

>Actually, we don't know that Starfleet takes its ranks from the "real
>Navy", either in a "real world" sense (i.e., how Paramount determines
>the ranks), or in a "Star Trek universe" sense (Star Fleet determines
>ranks from the historical ranks of the "real Navy").  There were
>commodores in the ST Classic Starfleet and in the 1960s; we have seen
>no commodores in the TNG Starfleet and that name for the rank in our
>time was abolished by now.  All we know is that the Starfleet ranks
>resemble the ranks of the US Navy.  Who *knows* if there is an Ensign
>Junior Grade or not?

	As for where StarFleet gets their ranks from, I would surmise that it
is _based_ on the US Navy's rank system, with perhaps a few modifications.  On
Commodores in today's Navy, I was told years ago by a colleague, at that time a
Colonel in the US Army, that the rank of Commodore was only used during times 
of conflict.  
	One question that is burning in my mind is this:  In Star Trek VI, the
home video version, the officer that tells the President about Operation 
Retrieve is known as "Colonel West."  There had been no mention of _anyone_ of
that rank in StarFleet previous to this, or after.  As an aside, he wore an
Admiral's star on a standard StarFleet uniform.  All that I could think of was
that, perhaps, he was a representative of the StarFleet Marine Corps.  Anyone
know the real answer?

				- Dev