HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Re: gay phone company
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:10:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.223242.9990@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>I just called Working Assets, a corporation that does long distance
>service and PC Visa cards. I don't know much about their long distance
>program, but they have a reasonable Visa card. They also donate part
>of their profits to progressive charities (specficially which
>charities are chosen by the cardmembers).
   
   One of my two credit cards is a Visa associated with Working
   Assets.  You get a ballot once a year and are allowed to 
   theoretically portion out your contribution (your piece of the
   part of their profits) amongst a large number of organizations.
   They average over all the ballots they receive and then 
   portion out the donations that way.

   I've asked for the results of the balloting for the second
   year running and have received no response.
>
>The phone number for application information is:
>
>1-800-522-7759

   Wayne
From: datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Ever wonder...
Date: 24 Jan 93 07:26:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

Apologies if this is in the wrong newsgroup, but this hit me at 2 in
the morning (as weird ideas are wont to do), so with appropriate
blushes and cute, adorable grins, I'll get to the point.

Is there any such thing as bi erotica, or do erotica manufacturers
just assume we'll look at anything and everything out there? Are
there different standards/tastes for bi-women and bi-men?

It just struck me that although there's Playboy, Playgirl, Penthouse,
the Advocate, etc., etc., and so forth, I have never heard of any
movies or publications aimed squarely at bi's? Am I right, or is
there just so little perceived interest, as most of us can get aroused
by Mr. _and_ Miss February?

Hugs all around! And I missed the beginning of the Tori Amos thread--
could someone e-mail me on just who she is? Many thanks!

I'll be posting a bit this week, as exams are finally OVER and classes
don't start until Feb. 1.

<smoochsmooch> grope-"HEY, STOP THAT!" HUGGGGGGGG "aaaaaaaaahhhhhh"

Tep, who's finally realized that he ain't never gonna get any while
he's at P'ton :(
-- 
Mo-bio majors do it between the beta-sheets.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Party Face, Net Face was Appearances on and off the net
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:49:24 +0000

	*grin*...good point, I cook nude, too.  Especially when frying bacon...
	and, of course, I like to use my lovers as kitchen slaves...

Sheeit!  No way - I made a stir-fry in the nude *once* and learnt my lesson.

G
btw, reminder for new readers: always wash your hands after chopping
chilis... :-)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kyraan@bach.udel.edu (Stephen Ch Litterst)
Subject: Vacation time...
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:50:50 GMT

O.K.  well, my life needs some reorganization.  Unfortunately, soc.bi is 
one of those parts that needs to take part, in that I have to take some time
off from it in order to get anything done.  So, with this post I will once
again descend into the anonymity of muffin-hood.  And without further ado,
I bid you all a temorary farewell and invite any and all attempts at email
contact.  *HUGS* to all and to all a good night.


						Steve L

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| "Life is far too brief , Existence is  |
| Stephen C. Litterst           |  meaningless, and the Universe has no  |
| kyraan@bach.udel.edu           \ purpose. That's the way it is, folks."|
|_litterst@freezer.cns.udel.edu___\_________ -Allan Dean Foster__________|
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet)
Subject: Re: Ever wonder...
Organization: the house on the corner
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:50:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.200443.29173@reed.edu> tjewell@gluttony.reed.edu (Teresa Jewell) writes:
>In article <C1GLJz.MLH@world.std.com> smoir@world.std.com (Scott A Moir)  
>writes:
>> I have yet to find any female-female pornography that has passed muster
>> with my female partners. Most of it was done for males, and isn't very
>> realistic. Actually, the magazines 'Bad Attitude' and 'On Our Backs' are
>> supposed to be very good, but they are not in a place where I could buy
>> them without causing a bit of a fuss. (It is definitely uncool for a  
>male
>> to walk in to a women's bookstore and buy lesbian porn.)
>> 
>> Scott
>
>Depending on where you live, they might have it at some newsstands.  They
>do in Seattle, but then Seattle is like that.  Or subscribe...

Heck, try your local Barnes&Noble--assuming you have one--they have an
_excellent_ selection, even of non-mainstream publications.  'On Our
Backs' I've seen, and a couple of newer ones (whose names I've unfortunately
forgotten....)


Piglet
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Re: what is sex (was Re: Daoism, Pooh, and Bisexuals)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:08:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.152422.10907@infodev.cam.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.183116.26693@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker) writes:
>> [ .. ]  Is getting a stiffie when the cat curls up in
>>your lap sex?  
>>
>It's a very subtle reaction in which the body tries to throw the cat off,...

Hence the word "Catapult"?  You must get your stiffies awfully fast....

Next, we'll have women here bragging about picking up cats by the scruff
of the neck with their corresponding anatomical wonder of the world....

Wait 'til the Animal Rights people hear about this!

Followups to alt.sex.bestiality, please.
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Ethics...
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:53:51 GMT

In <1k4f23$qv6@agate.berkeley.edu> mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:

>ss19@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>cvadrgez@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
>>>Is it ethical to one day just stop talking to a friend (permanently), and to 
>>>NEVER even try to explain why?
>[...]
>OK, I'm sorry - I'm not being terribly understanding, but the quoted
>note leaves some important context out.  I'm a hard-core Ethical
>Relativist, so there's no way I'll judge the absolute statement above.

Oh goody, material for an infinitely long thread, with absolutely zero 
bi-relevance (unless Cvadrgez will give a little more context -- hmm?).

I'm a hard-core Ethical Absolutist, so ...

[Slaps Mike around face with white glove; stands glowering, arms akimbo;
spoils it all by asking anxiously if he looks macho enough.]
--
Gus Rodgers,  Dept. of Computer Science, | Perhaps being a complete
Queen Mary & Westfield College, Mile End | idiot was overambitious.
Road, London, England.   +44 71 975 5241 | (From now on I'll settle
E-mail (JANET):   arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk | for moderate stupidity.)
From: dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi-wariness
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:06:28 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <7320@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu>
 6500mary@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Mary Cardenas) writes:
>
>hi, i'm a lurking lesbian (de-muffining i guess on soc.bi)

Yay!  Another fresh muffin!
*pounce*

It's always nice to see another new face.  :):):)
Have a generous heaping dose of hugs, kisses, gropes, nibbles, and/or
cuddles.

>mary

Darren
(who has nothing else meaningful to add to this thread at present)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: I'm coming!
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:39:33 +0000

:>And a large sloppy smmoch goes to anyone who can name the british humourists,
:>a sketch of whose of which that is a paraphrase.

:I'm not sure what I'd do with a smmoch; it sounds Gaelic; but coming from
:you it's bound to be good...

Really, Kay! - it's obviously a variant of a *smmekkie*

G
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith on upend.cl.cam.ac.uk)
Subject: Invisibility (but a fun story)
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Organization: Glad to be Sad
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:42:44 GMT

I'm not sure what to make of this one -- the story got told over lunch
today by the central figure, the friend of mine responsible for "The
Banana Song (part 1)" (he's working on part 2, and "Yellow Banana Blues"
at the moment....)

Anyway, Friday was the birthday of a gay friend of his and, at some
point in the evening the two of them wound up snogging (his word)
and were seen to be doing so by a number of people.  Including his
ex-girlfriend.  Now, their college is quite small, and has a very
efficient gossip circle, which she is informing of this event.  He
expects the gossipists to be "very confused" by all this (now you
see what I mean by invisibility, I hope).  (My name also got mentioned
in the context of someone else I know there making some comment,
but I missed that part of the story (it came out in fragments, and
roughly in reverse order).)

Quite what this says about the assumptions of the gossipers, his
ex- in particular, and what it has to do withhis sexuality, I really
don't know....


--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk | "Internet is so big, so powerful and pointless that for
        ___         |  some people it is a complete substitute for life."
        \X/         |     -- Andrew Brown, The Independent
From: orc@sybase.com (Orc)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ethics...
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:00:19 GMT
Reply-To: ss19@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Department of Ambiguity

In article <1993Jan23.232911.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> cvadrgez@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
>Is it ethical to one day just stop talking to a friend (permanently), and to 
>NEVER even try to explain why?

   Presuming the situation is correct: yes.

                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ 50% header, 30% quote, 30% sig, 10% article.
                  \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Ever wonder...
Reply-To: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:15:05 GMT

My editor isn't working. apologies: A.N. Roquelaure (Ann Rice of course)
wrote Sleeping Beauty (or the Taking of Sleeping Beauty, I think), and 
its sequels, Beauty's Punishment and Phooey oops Beayties Release,
as pornography. It's High Quality Literature and has plots adn stuff
for those people who don't necessaliry like to admit they like it 
'cause it's hot stuff. Maybe it's not ofr the weak of heart or stomach
or sexual preference (it's got lots of SM in it, in fact that was
pretty much the point), but I like it anyway. The upshot is, that I'd
say it's bi-porn (actually I call it erotica because I tend to think
of the difference between porn and erotica as a qualitative one),
because it doesn't necessarily feature bis in poly contexts only. It
features bis in a variety of different contexts, one-to-one, same-sex,
mixed-sex, grouped, you name it.  It's not all the same scene over 
and over.  Which I think is pretty much descriptive of bis in general;
we don't all do the same things in the same styles. Although I will
admit that all this sounds like I'm saying "all bis are into SM " 
which of course ias a common misconception that I know and I hoipe 
all of us here know isn't true...you never know...ANyway.

On a tangent, I'd like to mention that I once had a girlfriend who was
bi and seemed to feel she had to act the part, i.e. she thought
the proper way to be bisexual was to wander about with a man on one 
arm and a woman on the other. Played havoc with us,  he and I got 
along muc better when she wasn't around, although he suffered from 
the complex of "{the girlfriend of my girlfreind is my girlfriend"
and kept trying to get me into bed when he thought I wasn't looking.
Anybody else have this happen? I'd like to think I'm not unique. I
do tend towards polyamory but I think it has to be done right. So 
I don't do it too often. How did I get ont o this toic...oh yes,
pornography. The point, if there is one, being that I don't be bi 
the same way she be'd bi, and I know everybody else desn't be bi
the same way either, so why should our porn reflect only one way
of being? (Christ, shut up, Ximena, you're rambling,shit, I'll
stop now/...oops fuck this mindbogglingly stupid machine...

Thank you again for your support,

  -Ximena who hates computers)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: daveb@harlqn.co.uk (Dave Berry)
Subject: Re: Gender and Bi Groups
Organization: Harlequin Ltd, Cambridge, UK
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:43:28 GMT

bryant@icd.teradyne.com writes:
>The result was that Biversity had members of at least four genders by
>the end of the summer.  I have heard comments from some of these people
>(and from TV and TS members) that this is the first group of any
>sexuality where they ever felt truely welcomed and comfortable.

I've heard similar comments from TS members of the Edinburgh Bisexual Group.

Could you clarify what you mean by "genders" here?  Are you referring
to karotype, or what?  Some TS's refer to themselves as a third sex,
are they included in your definition?

It's interesting to compare this approach with the approach that Alan
uses in his glossary of terms about sexual and gender identity.  Would
either of you like to comment?

>Isn't the word "bisexual" a bit limiting?

I think it depends on what you take the word to mean.  The reality is more
important than the words we use to describe it.  If we make the bisexual
community open to peope of all genders , then that is what the word will
come to mean.

Dave.


Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: carl@sscl.uwo.ca (Carl Kaufmann)
Subject: Re: Sigh... hugs please?
Organization: Soc.Sci.Comp.Lab., U.West.Ont.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:28:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.043353.12485@udel.edu>, litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst) writes:
> 	Just feeling extraordinarily empty after an extraordinarily unfulfill-
> ing conversation.  I have the worst timing in the world.  I called Vicki 
> right as she was ending her procrastination and concentrating on the work she
> had to do.  I don't know.  This woman has such a grip over me, but sometimes
> I just feel like giving up.  But I know if I do that, I'll regret it as soon
> as i see her again.  I just don't know what to do.  I'm lost in my life.  My 
> Life is falling down around me (again!) and I'm powerless to stop it!
> 	Sorry, just needed to vent somewhere.  Because of the Vicki situation
> my stress has reached critical mass... It's creating new problems faster than
> I can resolve the original ones.  *sigh*
> 
> 					Steve L. (desperately wishing there 
> 							was someone other than
> 							Jim on the floor to get
> 							hugs from.)

Usually I'd say "Been there, done that." but this time its
"Am there, am doing that."  I can sympathize Steve.

<HUG>

*******************************************************************************
*  See how the heart reaches  *  Carl Kaufmann   *    Trust is the ultimate   *
*  out instinctively, for no  * Soc.Sci.Comp.Lab *    aphrodisiac.            *
*  reason but to touch.       *    U.West.Ont    *                            *
*        -Kate Bush           * carl@sscl.uwo.ca *       -Me                  *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss,alt.homosexual
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: gay phone company
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:44:49 GMT

> cujtd@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Devore) writes:
>
>	At last night's meeting, one of the members mentioned something
>about a long distance phone company that is "pro-gay."  I believe he
>mentioned something about that company donating a percentage of their
>profits to gay groups.

A friend told me that Overlooked Opinions -- the Chicago-based
market research company that has a mailing-list of some 50K
GLBs -- is planning to start such a long-distance service.  I
don't know if they're in operation yet.

Working Assets Long Distance (WALD) is a San Francisco-based
provider that donates a percentage of all its revenues to
"progressive" organizations, including G/L and AIDS agencies.
I've used their service for about a year, and am very happy
with it.  They have "free speech" days every month when you
can call your Congresscritters for free -- such calls are
discounted the rest of the time. They will also send letters
in your name to the appropriate addressees on two burning
issues every month, and bill you later -- the G/L military
ban and the Republican National Convention's gay-bashing
were two such issues in the past 6 months.  The same company
also issues a Visa card, and runs an investment service --
also donating a portion of their revenues...
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san ramon, ca -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Ethics...
From: cvadrgez@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:29:11 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvafhaab

Is it ethical to one day just stop talking to a friend (permanently), and to 
NEVER even try to explain why?


                (Note:  This is not a sexual question...)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: A philosophical question...
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: Glad to be Sad
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:19:15 GMT

In article <C17JrB.86y@newcastle.ac.uk> J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes:
>>Here we see the *true* advantage to polyamory: When you dump your SO, both
>>you and sie know that it's because there was something wrong/uncomfortable
>>about the relationship between the two of you alone, not that 'there was
>>someone else'...
>
I'm not sure that is an advantage -- but then, personal experience 
hasn't been quite that straightforward.  I'm also not sure if there
isn't an "I've found someone better than you" aspect to be considered,
which kind-of combines the two.

>(And I would have thought a disadvantage would be that someone might dump
>you *because* you were polyamourous and they weren't).
>
Been there, done that.  Well, sort of -- I got a "It's me or him"
ultimatum.  And got the same decision made back at me (without the
prompting, however) a few months later.  All relationships hurt,
in the end....


--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk | "Internet is so big, so powerful and pointless that for
        ___         |  some people it is a complete substitute for life."
        \X/         |     -- Andrew Brown, The Independent
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: ST:Deep Space Nine, possible bi?
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 07:56:26 EST

an2839@anon.penet.fi (Archer) writes:

> robear@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jay Michael) writes:
> > Knowing that Star Trek likes to be controversial, it is possible that a bi
> > story may pop up, especially since there doesn't seem to be much of a reaso
> > to have dax as one particular orientation.
> 
> Actually, I thought it would be interesting if something happened to
> the doctor along these lines, esp after the second episode.  I mean,
> you _expect_ things along these lines with Dax...

Yes, but in Dax's speech to the doctor in "A Man ALone" she was doing her 
best to make it sound as if Trills (did I spell it right?) were asexual.  
Which we know, having seen a Trill with Dr. Crusher in NExt Gen, is 
absolute nonsense.

I *hope* the doctor is bi.  He's cute.

Namaste,
Elizabeth


Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: becki@Ingres.COM (Rebecca E. Tants)
Subject: SF Bay Area Get Together - 1/27/93 
Reply-To: becki@squid.ingres.com (Rebecca E. Tants)
Organization: Ingres, The ASK Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Distribution: net
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:37:15 GMT

If you aren't in the San Francisco Bay area this week, you can probably
ignore this...

Well, due to the visit of js (John Winsor), we are going to attempt a very
short-notice get together, with the partial intention of getting some muffins
out of the oven.  SO:

	Who:   Mike Lloyd, Becki, and js, and you of course!
	What:  Dinner and a Movie for as many people as we can get
	When:  Wednesday night, January 27th, 7:30 pm 
	Where: Yenching Resteraunt, 2017 Shattuck Ave, Berkeley
	Why:   js is in town, and we want to see Body of Evidence. 

After dinner, we will be going to see Body of Evidence at 10:15 at the
Shattuk Cinemas.

Anyone in the area is invited, and muffins are strongly encourage to attend
and meet people - we promise not to bite unless you specifically ask us to.
This kind of event may be less threatening to those worried about walking into
some kind of orgy, and we promise to be as unthreatening as we possibly can!

An RSVP would be highly appreciated:  we won't wait for you if we don't know
you're coming!

See you there!
Becki

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mpg@doe.carleton.ca (Mike Gagnon)
Subject: Re: Sigh... hugs please?
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:11:02 GMT

In <1993Jan21.043353.12485@udel.edu> litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst) writes:

>	Just feeling extraordinarily empty after an extraordinarily unfulfill-

Steve, I'm sorry that your so blue. :(
I've been were your at a few times myself. There's
not much I can say. Some work out, some don't.
I can offer that hug though.
(Mike, fulfilling his role  in society as the strong
silent masculine type, (a role his is finally starting to
move beyond), takes Steve and holds him tight :)

I can also offer a suggestion. Try and move beyond the
need. Do something for yourself. Be creative, do something
that will make you happy. Do something artistic, if your
so inclined, play guitar, draw, write a poem, even a love
poem. Try and take advantage of your new found freedom.

My acceptance of my bisexuality was not as easy as yours
seems to have been. I suppressed alot of my feelings for
about two years. I felt I was just going through the motions
of life the whole time. I have alot of friends, and I'm
a fanatic Ultimate Frisbee player, so I had something
that got me through. But inside I often felt like I
didn't have much of a life.

I finally found the strength to accept my sexuality, and
it has led to a wonderful new found creativity. I found
myself writing a story about bisexual people. It is fiction
but it has alot of me in it. I feel great though. I'm not
sure how good the story is, you can tell me yourself, I'm
hoping to have it finished today so I can share it with
everybody.

The only other point I'd like to make, is that I'm finding
that simply saying to yourself that you are now bisexual
will not solve all your problems. I believe you said in
one of your posts that you have yet to tell your friends.
The acceptance of ones friends is very important, and I
suspect you are reluctant to tell them, in fear of loosing
them as friends. If this is true, I don't want to interfere,
but I will say that I think you should reasure _yourself_
first. Go back to last week when you were excited about
your decision, and use that as a focal point. Use your
own acceptance as the start for finding more. Decide
why you made this decision to change your life, and
try to use that to convince others that it was a good
decision for you!

<From the movie _Harold and Maude_>
Harold: I'm sure picking up on vices today!
Maude: Vice? Virtue? It's best not to be too moral!
       You cheat yourself out of too much life.
       Aim above morality!

Best whishes! M
--
  |   Mike Gagnon.                                         |
-(+)-      Once in a while you get shown the light,      -(+)-
  |  in the strangest of places if you look at it right.   |