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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: More Pseudo Scholars in Action defending the Ottomans
Date: 22 Nov 1992 01:15:40 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic, actually AT&T's very own Hasan B Mutlu) writes:

> >How's this different from the forced religion changes caused by the
> >angelic Ottomans (tm)? 
> 
> Is this the "perlman-ian" of the week? The following observations by 
> Westerners were written in French by Ahmet Cevat: 

Does it make it more credible if it is in French, Mutlu? Is Mr. Ahmet Cevat 
a Turk or not? Nah, he's a Turk alright, but he's objective (in French!)

(* [Many patronising statements] These facts demonstrate that Muslim
(* countries provided spiritually far better living conditions than Christian
(* countries."[1]

And, 

(* On account of this, the autonomy of minorities in Turkey is better and 
(* more complete than any in the most advanced European countries."[2]

And,

(* Turks never oppress anybody on account of his religion. [3]

And, 

(* "In that vast and calm country of the sultan, all religions and nations are
(* living together peacefully. [4]"

Of course, "(*" is Turkiye's very own..... But some of Djevat's stuff was
actually written by A. Ubicini.... Any info on Signor Ubicini, Mutlu?

(* [1]  Ah. Djevat, "Yabancilara Gore Eski Turkler," 3rd ed. (Istanbul, 1978),
(*      pp. 70-71.
(* [2]  Ibid., p.91.
(* [3]  Ibid., pp. 214-
(* [4]  Ibid., pp. 215-216.

As usual, I won't challenge your statements above. I'll just challenge
you to produce a NON-Turkish source for any of the stuff above. I am
sure  I can read BAGDHAT NEWS or IRAQI FREE PRESS and see "objectivism"
all over the place about Iraq winning the MOTHER OF ALL WARS. But coming
from a country where freedom of expression is questionable at best 
newspapers being collected before publication,  movies, poems, Kurdish
language, etc all censored/forbidden until very recently, etc) I'd have
a hard time accepting Djevat Bey as anything other than a career paid
propagandist. 

> Serdar Argic

Surely, you jest.

Spiros
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 17:03:09 CST
From: SALIM <U26043@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: * Looking for computer dealers...

Hi,  I am a computer reseller and I am looking for other computer dealers
in European countries.  Please email to my account with any information..

Thanks..
                                 Salim Lakha
                                 u26043@uicvm.uic.edu
                                fax: (708)673-0326
From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: JOKE
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:28:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 

Officials of the former East and West Germanys will be gathering soon
near the Brandenburg Gate to celebrate the anniversary of the Berlin
Wall's destruction.  This celebration will begin with an exchange of
greetings, and then, as a gesture of good will, the residents of East
Germany will hand over 650,000 tennis balls they have accumulated over
the last 30 years.

CUL8R, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Hey, don't pick up that dogW..NO TERRIER
                                                                       
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Basu Mukherjee)
Subject: an appeal to help poor children in india
Organization: Dakota State University, Madison, SD
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:49:37 GMT

==============================================================================
		An Appeal To Help Poor Students In India
   Contribute to RAMAKRISHNA MISSION BOYS' HOME, RAHARA, WB, INDIA

Swami Vivekananda once said,'Service to man is service to god'. Following
his footprints, Ramakrishna Mission organizations, established by Swamiji
himself, have been serving the poor and the distressed for about a century. 
Millions of people, including this author have directly or indirectly
benifited from the social-welfare and educational programs of Ramakrishna
Mission. Today, after a century old tradition of service, this organization
faces a daunting challenge in the face of a steep economic crisis. 

Ramakrishana Mission, Rahara is an organization that was established about
thirty five years ago at Rahara, a small village near Calcutta, West Bengal.
What started with  twenty eight orphan students under the auspicious
leadership of Swami Punyananda has , over the years, has grown into an
organization of over a thousand students offering educational services at
all levels. Ramakrishna Mission, Rahara has also a rich tradition of providing
free education to thousands of orphan students over these years and help
them become useful members of the society. Right now, there are 750 orphan
students at Rahara whose future is at stake due to a steep budget crisis and
lack of adequate governmental help.

According to Swami Jayananda, secretary, R.K. Mission, Rahara, it takes only 
14 dollars/month to support an orphan student at school in Rahara. 

We are trying to coordinate an effort to help these poor students by 
contributing to Ramakrishana Mission . 

If you are interested, please send e-mail to
	
	mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu
		or
	ritwik@parrot.creighton.edu.

You may also directly contact

		Swami Jayananda, secretary
		Ramakrishana Mission Boys' Home
		Rahara, 24 Paraganas(N)
		West Bengal - 743186 
		India  
		Telephone - 91-33-531219

Your interested may pave the way for an orphan child to a brighter future.
 
From: robbo@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Dave Robinson)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:38:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Re:CONVERSION US & INTERN'L VIDEOTAPES
Organization: HP Roseville Site
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe


	Here is another company to try for video conversions:

	RVT
	1911 Douglas Boulevard #85
	Roseville
	CA 95661
	(916) 773-3705

	They offer VHS (PAL 8mm including Hi8) transfers. The approximate
cost is around $25 for 2 hours including tape (SONY/MAXELL/AGFA professional
quality) and return shipping.  CA residents have to pay tax at 7.25%. They 
have a 24 hour turn around time.

	Of course you can buy a machine from Panasonic called the AG-W1 
to do your own. This machine is not cable/TV ready. It is a dedicated VCR
recorder/playback/standards convertor, so it might be expensive for the 
occasional use - listed at $2400. I did read that there are some machines
coming on the market aimed at consumers that will playback different
formats but not record them. The AG-W1 is listed as a professional machine -
hence no tuner!

Hope this helps!

Dave Robinson.
From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: HEAVEN & HELL
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:05:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 

The difference between Heaven and Hell

In Heaven:
The Germans are the mechanics
The French are the cooks
The Swiss are the bankers
The Italians are the lovers
And the English are the policemen
.
.
.
.
.
.
and in hell
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
The English are the cooks
The Italians are the bankers
The Swiss are the lovers
The French are the mechanics
and the Germans are the policemen

Carl

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Papa, .qu. significa "Formateando Disco C:" ?
                                                                
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.german
From: marshall@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Jim Marshall - DCS)
Subject: Trade Wars
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:47:24 GMT

Whats the general feeling over there in Europe about the possiblity
of a trade war with the Americans??  The papers in Canada seem to
be blaming the French for being obstructionists??  Here (Canada)
we are just concerned about being caught in the middle.

**************************************************************************

Jim Marshall

Dept.of Computing Services
University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario
Canada

**************************************************************************
From: KADAR@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST RFE/RL Daily Report 19-20 NOV, 1992 (excerpts)
Date: 22 Nov 1992 07:42:30 -0600
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EC IMPOSES DUTIES ON EAST EUROPEAN STEEL. A lobbying drive by
hard-pressed West European steel makers ended up by raising import
duties on Hungarian, Polish, Czechoslovak and Croatian steel. The
new duties amount to between 10% and 30%, the Financial Times
reported on 18 November. Steel imports by these countries jumped
by 70% since March of last year, when quotas were dropped.
According to an EC steel industry official, imports from Eastern
Europe hare in 1992, up from 7.8% in 1988,
and this constitutes dumping, undercutting Western prices by 25%.
(Karoly Okolicsanyi, RFE/RL Inc.)
 
NEW POLITICAL PARTY IN HUNGARublic Party is headed by Janos Palotas,
who g exposure and fame during the October 1990 taxi
strike. Palotas, a pivate businessman and independent
parliamentary deputy, is a highly-popular spokesman for Hungarion of long-term credits for
university studentsreturning 80% of personal income tax to local
governments, initiation of largecture investments by the
state, and support for holding of the World Exhibition in Hungary
in 1, the
organizers said, and will concentrate on practical matters.
(Karoly Okolicsanyi, RFE/RL Inc.)

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From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: ya like my sig?
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 22 Nov 92 02:07:39 EST

    Yup. Where are you calling from? Oh, bocs, honnan hivsz? En
Torontobol. Viszlat

    Robert
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: ml@vcp1.vcp.monash.edu.au
Subject: World Cup Qual:  Greece v Hungary
Organization: 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:48:40 GMT

G'day,



Below is a match report in rec.sport.soccer.  It is a world cup qualifier
between Hungary and Greece, played in Greece.  Reproduced without permission.
Thanks, Costas.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Salonica, Kaftatzoglio Stadium: GREECE - HUNGARY 0-0
Attendance: 45,000

RTs  11/11 1525  GOALKEEPER PETRY SAVES HUNGARY AGAINST GREECE

    By Costas Paris
    SALONIKA, Greece, Nov 11, Reuter - Hungary clung on for a 0-0 draw against
Greece in a World Cup soccer qualifier on Wednesday after having Peter Lipcsei
sent off 17 minutes from time.
 Goalkeeper Zsolt Petry was Hungary's saviour, making a series of important
saves before and after Lipcsei's dismissal for a foul.
    The Greeks, with two wins in as many group five matches, set the pace from
the start and repeatedly came close to scoring before 45,000 fans in the
northern city of Salonika.
    An early header from midfielder Yotis Tsalouhides hit the right-hand post
and was saved on the rebound by Petry.
    In the 12th minute a fierce shot by defender Stratos Apostolakis was blocked
by Petry, who then saved headers by Tsalouhides and striker Vassilis
Dimitriades.
    The Hungarians came close to scoring only once -- in the 14th minute when
Jozsef Kiprich missed from 10 metres.
    Kiprich was hurt midway through the half and went off 10 minutes later,
leaving the team without any real pace up front.

    Teams:
    Greece - George Mirtsos, Stratos Apostolakis, Theodore Pahatourides, Stelios
Manolas, Thanasis Kolitsidakes, Yotis Tsalouhides, Tasos Mitropoulos, George
Toursounides (Costas Franzescos, 66th), Vassilis Dimitriades (George Vaitsis,
46th), Nikos Nioplias, Nikos Tsiantakis
    Hungary - Zsolt Petry, Tibor Nagy, Laszlo Disztl, Florian Urban, Emil
Lorincz, Zsolt Limberger, Jozsef Kiprich (Istvan Salloi, 32nd), Tibor Balor,
Peter Lipcsei, Ferenc Meszaros (Zsolt Paling, 78th), Kalman Kovacs
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Hungary remain 3rd in the 5 team group with a win, a draw and a loss.  The top
two teams qualify for the World Cup.  Greece and Russia are the top two teams.



Cheers,
Mik.

/*****************************************************************************\
*    Mik Lipcsey, Computer Systems Officer, Victorian College of Pharmacy,    *
*         Monash University, 381 Royal Parade, Parkville, Australia.          *
* Aarnet:  ml@vcp.monash.edu.au  *  'Open the Pod Bay Door, please, HAL' 2001 *
>*****************************************************************************<
* I am home, I know the way,             \_____---- 'Evening falls...' (1988) *
* I am home, feeling, oh, so far away... /                   Roma Ryan & Enya *
* For so great a treasure, words will never do... ---------- 'Angeles' (1991) *
\*****************************************************************************/
  
P.S.  Peter Lipcsei and myself are not related, just part namesakes.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: ya like my sig?
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:31:25 EST

Szia, Csaba!

    Az ekezet nem nyir ki semmit minthogy az egyetlen postaolvaso amit
kepes vagyok hasznalni tortenetesen a szemem. Apropo, hogyan csinalsz
ekezetet? Kell valami kulonleges program hozza?

    Mas. Az uzenetem egy kicsit elnagyolta a helyet ahol lakom - en is
Willowdale-bol telefonalok, a Finch Avenue-rol. Es mielott valami masba
kezdenek sietve hozza kell tennem: majdnem teljesen szamitogep-barbar
vagyok. Azon kivul, hogy a PC personal computer-t jelent, szinte semmit
nem tudok (csak egy figyelmeztetes...)

    Ismet mas. Itt tobbnyire az s.c.Soviet, s.c.Magyar, s.c.Jewish,
es a kulonbozo writer-, political-, military-, scifi-, es movie-
konferenciakat olvasom. Ebbol nagyjabol mar meg is lehet allapitani az
erdeklodesi koromet.

    Egyelore ennyit. Mennyi ideje vagy itt? Mit csinalsz? Kivancsi
vagyok a valaszodra.

    Viszlat

    Robi
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: "csaba lendvay" <csaba.lendvay@canrem.com>
Subject: ya like my sig?
Reply-To: "csaba lendvay" <csaba.lendvay@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:12:08 EST

Hello, Rbert,

RW> Oh, bocs, honnan hivsz? En Torontobol. Viszlat.

n egy kicsit szakabbrl, Willowdale-bl.

(Remlem nem nyirja ki az kezet a postaolvasdat...)

Rgta vagy itt a boardon? Melyik konferencikat olvasod?


   dv:

Csaba
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From: "csaba lendvay" <csaba.lendvay@canrem.com>
Subject: ya like my sig?
Reply-To: "csaba lendvay" <csaba.lendvay@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:13:11 EST

RW>"Elloptak a hallokeszulekem".

RW>Robert
RW>Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
RW>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

Ejnye, de sokan vagyunk itt magyarok ....

Csaba
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From: FEKETE@bcvms.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST RFE/RL Daily Report 16 NOV, 1992 (excerpts)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 10:10:20 -0600
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SLOVAKIA FAVORS GOOD RELATIONS WITH HUNGARY.  Slovak Foreign
Minister Milan Knazko told a delegation of Hungarian parliament
representatives headed by its deputy chairman, Matyas Szuros, that
Slovakia has "the utmost interest in good relations with Hungary,"
CSTK reported on 14 November.  He said that formal meetings
between representatives of the two countries should be held as
often as possible and expressed hope that the controversial
Gabcikovo hydroelectric dam system will "not remain a political
problem." Szuros said that the economic transformation in both
countries makes close cooperation between them mandatory. The
Hungarian delegation was attending the memorial service for
Alexander Dubcek. (Jan Obrman, RFE/RL, Inc.)
 
HUNGARY PROTESTS SLOVAK MOVE TO REMOVE HUNGARIAN SIGNS. State
Secretary Geza Entz said on 13 November 1992 that new orders by
Slovak Transportation Minister Roman Hofbauer to remove Hungarian
language village and city signs in communities populated by the
Hungarian minority are "harsh, provocative and injurious,"
reported MTI.  Entz protested against the systematic removal and
called for a halt to the campaign.  (Karoly Okolicsanyi, RFE/RL,
Inc.)
 
HUNGARIAN OPPOSITION PARTY SELECTS NEW LEADER.  Historian Ivan
Peto became the new head of the Association of Free Democrats
(SZDSZ), MTI reported on 13 November. In a 525-292 vote during the
party's three-day conference, Peto replaced Peter Tolgyessy.
Relations between Tolgyessy and Peto had been strained since
Tolgyessy, who became SZDSZ president in November 1991, did not
belong to the "Beszelo" circle, a group of old friends clustered
around the former samizdat publication, and which effectively
controlled the party.  The SZDSZ faces a sharp decline in
popularity; latest polls put its strength only at 8% of the
electorate. Peto vowed to start new talks with the Hungarian
Democratic Forum to resolve the deadlock over a new media law.
(Karoly Okolicsanyi, RFE/RL, Inc.)
 
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From: alex@cs.adelaide.edu.au (Alex M. Farkas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Re: Weekdays in Hungarian (was: other languages)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 08:50:15 GMT
Organization: Adelaide University, Computer Science Department.
Distribution: world
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Keywords: a napoknak a nevu"k

 
As far as I recall:
			 
Kedd : From the word ketto" meaning two (Second day)

Szerda : Of slavic origin meaning middle (hence mid-week)

Csu"to"rto"k : From a slavic word meaning four (Fourth day)

Pe'ntek : From slavic word meaning five (Fifth day)

Vasa'rnap : Related to a middle-eastern word from which the word bazaar is derived,
	    and hence va'sa'r nap, or market day.

I don't have the reference, but books exist ...

alex
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From: malcolmm@cabezon.uucp (J. Malcolm Manness)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Hungarian in Phil. Pa.
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:43:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Nov21.224319.19055
Distribution: usa
Organization: Logic Modelling Inc of Beaverton Oregon



I have a Hungarian friend who is teaching and studying outside
of Phil.  Pa.  She is on some sort of work/study program for a
year.  She seems to be a bit homesick.  Is there anyone out
there interested in showing her around a bit?


If so, please contact me.


Malcolm Manness
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Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST RFE/RL Daily Report 17 NOV, 1992 (excerpts)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 11:27:39 -0600
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GERMAN-HUNGARIAN TALKS ON MILITARY DELIVERIES.  Germany is willing
to supply Hungary with military spare parts from the arsenal of
the ex-GDR, German state secretary, Bernd Wilz, announced on 16
November in Budapest, according to an MTI report.  While his
government is very cautious about approving military deliveries,
Wilz said, Germany well remembers Hungary's good treatment of East
German refugees and will try to help to solve Hungary's military
problems now. Wilz's talks in Budapest also touched on future
military cooperation between the two countries. About 18 Hungarian
officers will receive training in Germany next year.  (Karoly
Okolicsanyi, RFE/RL, Inc.)
 
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From: geza@fy.chalmers.se (Geza Ful|p)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: English teaching in Transsylvania
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:30:28 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, Sweden


Hi everybody,

I got one more address for those who could be interested in teaching
English in Transsylvania. There is a town called Sfintu Gheorghe
in Romanian, Sepsiszentgyorgy in Hungarian, where there is great
interest in getting native English teachers. The persons who can
be contacted for more information work at a newspaper :
          
                 "Europai Ido"
                 4000-Sfintul Gheorghe
                  str.Revolutiei nr.30
                  (jud.Covasna)
                  Romania
       
                  tel:+40-92316763
                  fax:+40-92316763

I might get one more address next week.

                                Take care

                                   Geza
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian