From: CX6L <CX6L@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: game vs reality simulation
Organization: McGill University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:19:18 GMT

In his last post, J.D. Frazer took issue with about
everything I said in *my* last post to answer his
response to Bryce Koike. I tried three times to
post a pointwise defense to his comments, only
to have the mailer lose the text. Here is a
capsule:

Mr Frazer -
     You accuse me of arrogance, and then cite your own
opinions as fact and mine as fiction: an act I would
call "arrogant". You criticize me for passing-off my
opinions as facts, when I claimed no factuality for
them. Then you claim all of your opinions are fact due
to some job you had once which has nothing to do
with the *gaming* issue at hand. In fact, you generally
misrepresent me, and then have the gall to accuse me
of putting words in *your* mouth! If anyone is guilty
of that here, it is you, mon ami. As well, you accuse
me of being ignorant of the wide varieties of playing
styles out there. I know of many, and respect most.
How you inferred this mystifies me. You also quote
facts at me that I am already aware of, regarding
subjects I really wonder if you know anything more
about than I: another act of arrogance, I feel.
     While my opinions are perhaps not humble or
moderate, I am clear on the fact they are opinions.
I neither factualize them nor make great claims
for them. Your opinions are equally arrogant and
strong, if mine are as you claim, and you *do*
claim they are fact.
     Please: if you are going to level accusations,
do it with tact and reason. Scattergun logic only
weakens your case. I resent being misinterpreted
so grossly and then getting flamed based on the
misinterpretation. This is a schoolyard bully
tactic not suited to an intellectual discussion.
     This is a gaming board: go discuss your
views on combat psychology elsewhere, or offer
constructive applications of it in a gaming
framework. This is also an advocacy board. I
advocated GURPS, and a heroic playing style.
This is not "right" or "wrong": it is opinion.
Do not call it "wrong" just because you do not
advocate the same views.
     If you do not like the way I, or Koike,
or anyone here likes to favour our systems,
or the way we insist on talking gaming instead
of real-life violence, OK. That neither makes
us arrogant or you "right". It just shows me
that you'd rather outscream us and have us
cowtow. I am not intimidated by you, Frazer.
I just wish to god you weren't so soft-
skinned that you have to try to intimidate
instead of debate.
     My regards,

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