From: ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash)
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:29:01 GMT

In <1992Nov18.175740.30661@davidsys.com> merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant) writes:

>In article <1992Nov17.175130@IASTATE.EDU>, jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
>> 
>> However I still believe that the name of the group "...islam.ahmadiyya"
>> sufficiently differentiates it from what you would call pure islam. Also as I

>It is the ahmadiyya group who themselves claim to be a different religion
>from the rest of Islam. They claim, the muslims believe such and such and
>the ahmediyyas believe such and such.  The Muslims have the Sunnah of Prophet
>Muhammed (SAW) to believe such and such.  If the Ahmedis believe something
>else, what is their source to believe such and such.  If it is not the Sunnah,
>then they should reflect why it is not so.  But it is part of the sunnah
>that is some of their source.  However, it is only A part of the Sunnah that
>is their source.  Accept *all* of the Sunnah and there can be no doubt
>why Islam is Islam, and the Ahmediyya cannot claim to be the same religion.
>The pure Islam is that of following and abiding by the Holy Quran and 
>the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammed (SAW).  *ALL* Muslims have to strive to 
>follow the teachings of the Holy Quran and the Sunnah.
>It is very, very, clear.  

>May Allah (swt) give all the Muslims, Hidaaya', knowledge, 
>and the strive to learn what IS Islam and what SHOULD be
>their duties. Amin.

>> said earlier, use of the names "islam" or "muslim" by any one does not deprive

>No muslim can deny their claim to call themselves 'Muslims'.   But *all*
>Muslims have to follow Prophet Muhammed (SAW) for he is the perfect
>example and transmitter of the Holy Qur'an.  Allah (swt) has asked this
>of us.  Those who are servants of Allah (swt) ie. Muslims are required
>to follow Prophet Muhammed (SAW).  

>	Say (O Muhammed), "If you do love Allah, follow me; Allah will
>	love and forgive you your sins; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving,
>	Most Merciful." Al-e-Imran 3:31.

>	By the Lord! They can have no faith, until they make you
>	(O Muhammed) judge in all disputes between them, and find
>	in their souls no resistance against your decisions, but
>	accept them with fullest conviction. Al Nisa 4:65.

>	Whosoever obeys the Allah and His Prophet is in the company
>	of those on whom is the Grace of Allah. Al Nisa 4:69.

>	Whosoever obeys the Prophet, has indeed obeyed Allah.
>	Al Nisa 4:79.

>	Whosoever opposes the Prophet after the truth has become
>	manifest unto him, and follows a way other than that of the 
>	believers, We shall let him follow that to which he has
>	turned and shall (in the end) roast him in (the Fire of)
>	Hell; an evil retreat.  Al Nisa 4:115.

>	O you who believe! Put not yourselves forward before Allah
>	and His Messenger (Muhammed), but fear Allah, for Allah is
>	He who hears and knows all things.  O you who believe,
>	Raise not your voices about the voice of the Prophet, nor speak
>	aloud to him in talk, as you may speak aloud to one another, 
>	lest your deeds become vain and you do not (even) percieve (it).
>	Al Hujurat 49: 1-2.


>> any group of any privileges or cause any harm. The only "harm" being caused is

>	Prophet Muhammed (SAW) said:
>	None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother
>	what he wishes for himself.
>		It was related by al-Bukahri and Muslim.

>	Prophet Muhammed (SAW) said:
>	A Muslim is the brother of a Muslim.
>		It was related by Muslim.

>> the "mental agony" being suffered which seems more self-inflicted. 

>	Prophet Muhammed (SAW) said: Be in the world as though you 
>	were a stranger of a wayfarer.
>		al-Bukhari.

>This world is to be lived in merely as a traveller, a passer by.  Whether,
>the group gets created or not, does not affect Allah(swt).  Allah(swt)
>is Self-sufficient.  But our every action and intention does affect 
>what is to be our final destiny.  We are created for the sole purpose
>to serve Allah (swt).  And we please Him by serving Him.
>It is every Muslim's duty to enjoin right and forbid wrong.

>	Prophet Muhammed (SAW) said:
>	Whosoever of you sees an evil action, let him change it 
>	with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then with
>	his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his
>	heart - and that is the weakest of faith.
>		It was related by Muslim.


>	Prophet Muhammed (SAW) said:
>	He who innovates something in this matter of ours that is
>	not of it will be rejected.
>		It was related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.


>	Prophet Muhammed (SAW) said:
>	Beware of newly invented matters, for every invented matter
>	is an innovation and every innovation is a going astray,
>	and every going astray is in Hell-fire.
>		It was related by Abu Dawud and at-Tirmidhi who 
>		said it was a good and sound Hadith.


>	Prophet Muhammed (SAW) said:
>	None of you [truly] believes until his inclination is in 
>	accordance with what I have brought.
>		A good and sound Hadith which has been transmitted from
>		Kitab al-Hujja with a sound chain of authorities.

>> 
>> I wouldn't deprive anyone the right to contest the Ahmadiyya claim, however,
>> just as the Ahmadiyya's have a similar right, as long as the debate is purely
>> intellectual and verbal.
>> 
>> In any case if a "muslim" thinks what he/she  practices in or believes in is
>> what (s)he calls "islam" then its his/her privilege to do so. Only God (if there
>> is such an entity) will decide whether they have been following the "true"
>> Quran.   

>Only Allah (swt) has Sovereignty over all things.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --Javed. 


>May ALLAH (SWT) forgive me if I have said anything wrong.  If anything
>good is made out of all written here, it is from the Blessings of
>ALLAH (SWT), and if anything wrong, it is from my own wrong doing.

>Rukhsana [a servant of ALLAH (swt)] Merchant

Jazakillahu Khair.

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