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From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Channel Islands/Nazis
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:16:48 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1993Jan8.001325.23995@nuscc.nus.sg>, hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
> 
> The BBC world Service had an item on the news yesterday (Thurs) about
> newspaper reports on material which had just come out on the cooperation
> between the local elite in Jersey and Guernsey in the Nazi roundup of JEws
> when the Channel Islands were occupied during WWII. Unfortunately, I only
> picked up the last 2/3 of the report, and I didn't catch the name of the
> newspaper which printed the story. Please would someone post more details.
The Guardian certainly did. You'll probably also find that most of the rest of
the papers did, with appropriate headlines. `War Criminals in the Channel
Islands' (Daily Telegraph). `My wartime nightmare: how collaborators killed my
mother' (Daily Mail). `A Jew in Jersey: Distraught Islander tells all'
(Today). `Jerry Jersey Jew shock' (Mirror). `Huns Hunted' (Sun). 

-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   For Sale: Posts in British Government. Suit
wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk    |   outgoing American. Highest bids accepted.
From: slbz7@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Help needed !!!!!!!
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:53:15 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Dear netters;
	Can somebody post the e-mail addresses for the Polys (now univs)
in the London Metro area. 
				thanks in advance.
					Malik. (stay cool)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson)
Subject: Re: Martini
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:01:20 GMT

marcusc@acfcluster.nyu.edu writes:
>A small curiosity.  I have just been watching Master piece theatre here in New
>York - which featured a production of a Bertie Wooster /Jeeves story.
>Stephen Fry, in an introductory monologue, presumably designed to give
>needed background info to the American market, describes what a gentleman's
>gentleman was.  He refers at one point to "mixing martinis" for the 
>gentleman.  This caused me a little thought.  Martinis are "mixed" in
>the US but not in Britain (in fact an american martini is what we would call a
>gin and it in UK). My question is this:  is this a slip on behalf of the
>American producers or were martinis mixed in Britain in the thirties. I 
>would be extremely grateful if someone could shed some light on this matter.
>Email response would be fine as I don't read this group that much.
>
>PS You can make a great martini / gin and it by adding a table spoon full
>of scotch (three parts gin one part dry vermouth).  Just a little trick
>I picked up on the journey of life.

Thank goodness someone has raised an interesting and important topic on
s.c.b. I too have been watching the Jeeves and Wooster series on Public
Television and have been enjoying the shows immensely, they are very well
done.

But I take issue that the US martini is conjugate to the gin and it. My
belief is that while the martini has the proportions of three parts gin
to one (or less according to many devotees) of vermouth, the gin and it has those
proportions reversed, i.e. more (Italian) vermouth than gin. I happen to
like both.

Assuming that my assertion is not a lot of rot, I can well believe that
drinking martinis was a "smart" thing to do amongst Drones club members in
the 20s.

Sorry to say the little trick mentioned above re. the tablesppon of scotch
left me confused. Is the idea to add the scotch to the 3 to 1 mixture?
Or is something else implied?

My martini trick is to store the gin in the freezer. At about -30 (oh God,
this will probably start up the Fahrenheit/Celsius thread again) the gin
is much colder than any amount of shaking with ice could achieve, and pours
in a captivatingly silky way, more like a liqueur. Of course, this brings
up another subject, shaking with ice. My drink mixing book has a whole
chapter on the merits of crushed ice versus ice cubes, I won't go into
that in this forum unless especially requested. My mum used to have gins
and it, and I seem to think that it was served at room temperature. (I
can imagine the US audience groaning at this point, if not before).

Anyway, that's it.

Dick
From: ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest Adams)
Subject: Attn: Viewers of "Jeeves and Wooster"
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:51:43 GMT

Last night Masterpiece Theater ran another episode of "Jeeves and
Wooster", which was prefaced by Steven Fry explaining what a "gentleman's
personal gentleman" was. During his explanation, the sound dropped out
for a moment on the line "...packing his <silence>," while describing
Jeeves' duties.

Was this accident or censorship? What could Fry have possibly said in
that line which required censorship? Does anyone else know what the line
was?

(Here in the 'States, audio censorship used to be done by "beeping" the
offensive words, but this has since been replaced by silencing them,
which is less intrusive. The prurient among us are forced to lip-read.)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Attn: Viewers of "Jeeves and Wooster"
Organization: Morituri Te Salutent, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:48:23 GMT

Ernest Adams (ewadams@netcom.com) wrote:
> Last night Masterpiece Theater ran another episode of "Jeeves and
> Wooster", which was prefaced by Steven Fry explaining what a "gentleman's
> personal gentleman" was. During his explanation, the sound dropped out
> for a moment on the line "...packing his <silence>," while describing
> Jeeves' duties.
> 
Dashed odd.  Can't see I noticed it m'self. Have to listen carefully when
I play it back for the little woman tonight.

Good song, that "Nagasaki", what?

Toodle oo

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham)
Subject: Re: Eastern hemisphere electrical power
Organization: BT Group Computing Services, Birmingham, UK
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 13:27:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.160027.6606@news2.cis.umn.edu> alla0008@student.tc.umn.edu (Graham Allan) writes:
>High current kills people, not high voltage. Which doesn't make it any
>safer to grab onto a 240V line, it may still supply the current to kill
>you, but it's not necessarily less safe than 110V either.

Hey! Who *hasn't* had a 240V mains shock? I know I have...aged 11, I was
fascinated by the fact that when you stuck a pair of scissors into the
top socket, the little doors would open...and pins could then be jammed
in and hold there by the doors...

Quite tingly, and a bit of a shock, but my heart kept beating...

	Tim. ``Mary Shelley? Who she?''
-- 
Tim Oldham, BT Group Computing Services.       tjo@its.bt.co.uk
``Sounds good to me'' 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell)
Subject: Re: US equipment in the UK
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:10:19 GMT

In <1ilfdlINNmak@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji) writes:

>	        	US equipment in the UK

>  Someone was mentioning all the unspeakable things which would happen if
>you tried using US equipment in the UK. But the situation is not so bleak.
>There are some computers (such as Apple's Powerbook range) which have an
>"Universal adapter" which accepts anything from 90 to 260 volts and 48 to
>62 cycles. Thus, the "US-born" computer can be used in the UK or anywhere
>else without an additional transformer. All you need is an inexpensive plug
>adapter.

This seems to be common on newer computer systems.  When I visited the UK I
used to bring a adapter for my radio equipment. I find it alot easier to
bring battery operated equipment. I use alkaline batteries instead of
rechargables and find in my case they last the two weeks I am there.

It is very much to your advantage to reduce the amount of electrical equipment
you bring on a international flight. Not bringing the voltage converter also
eliminates the AC adapter and battery chargers. 
73 Eric eac@world.std.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Channel Islands/Nazis
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:06:33 GMT

In article <C0LC3J.HyC@newcastle.ac.uk>, w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:

|>wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
|>
|>>In article <1993Jan8.001325.23995@nuscc.nus.sg>, hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R
|>Pennell) writes:
|>>> 
|>>> The BBC world Service had an item on the news yesterday (Thurs) about
|>>> newspaper reports on material which had just come out on the cooperation
|>>> between the local elite in Jersey and Guernsey in the Nazi roundup of JEws
|>>> when the Channel Islands were occupied during WWII. Unfortunately, I only
|>>> picked up the last 2/3 of the report, and I didn't catch the name of the
|>>> newspaper which printed the story. Please would someone post more details.
|>>The Guardian certainly did. You'll probably also find that most of the rest
|>of
|>>the papers did, with appropriate headlines. `War Criminals in the Channel
|>>Islands' (Daily Telegraph). `My wartime nightmare: how collaborators killed
|>my
|>>mother' (Daily Mail). `A Jew in Jersey: Distraught Islander tells all'
|>>(Today). `Jerry Jersey Jew shock' (Mirror). `Huns Hunted' (Sun). 
|>
|>   Why is this story only released now.  I realise the documents were
|>secret but there was no law preventing the papers in the last few
|>decades from interviewing survivers and asking them about colaboration.

Oh come on now! The memory of Winston Churchill is attacked on the grounds that
he should have given in. This is the moment that the govt choses to release
these records. Come on man where on earth are your cynicism glands!

The other side of the story is the manner in which the NAZIs intimidated the
officials. If you were faced with a list of thirty names and asked to chose
which twenty were to be shot if you refused to do everything you were told
without question you might find that your actions would have been very similar.


--

Phill Hallam-Baker
From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Truly English?
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:08:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <C0J116.Gys@newcastle.ac.uk> Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk (Adrian Waterworth) writes:
>mingos@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>> A few years ago, Margaret Thatcher became a grandmother.  She came out of
>>her house and proudly announced
>
>>              "We are a grandmother"
>
>> Now, this was clearly the intended message (ie was not a slip of the
>> tongue), and was clearly done for effect, as was usual with her.  What I'd
>> like to know is, could this in any way be regarded a correct use of
>> the english language?
>
>       Such turns of phrase have always tended to be associated with
>and used by the monarchy (particularly the reigning monarch). Hence it
>is often described as "the Royal 'We'".
>
>       Pompous? Absolutely. However, from a personal point of view, I
>always thought that it was just a pure and simple case of dear old
>Battie Maggie entertaining power-crazed delusions of grandeur.
>
This is how it was reported at the time, and a lot of pompous
middle-class trendy lefties had a great deal of fun saying that
this was a sign of her delusions of grandure. However, the use
of plural forms for the first person singular can be a feature
of working class speech, and I would guess it was really
another case of an emotional Mrs.T slipping into her native
Lincolnshire.

Matthew Huntbach
From: czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Celsius <--> Fahrenheit (was Re: British Imperial...)
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:20:29 GMT
Reply-To: czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <128030007@otter.hpl.hp.com> tgg@otter.hpl.hp.com (Tom Gardner) writes:
>The way I heard it was:
>	- lowest easily generatable stable temperature was at the triple-point
>	  of salt water (how salt? Dunno.). Define this as 0 degrees F.
>	- highest ditto was boiling water
>	- define there to be 180 degrees (half circle, geddit?) between 
>	  the boiling point of water and the triple-point of pure water.
>	- this fixes boiling point as 212 degrees F.
>Arbitrary. Sure. But then so was Celcius...

Fahrenheit used a freezing mixture of salt and ice and called the lowest
temperature he could get, zero. His 100 was the temperature of the human
body. Trouble was, he was running a slight temperature at the time!

This is how my grammar school physics teacher taught it all those years
ago. And he didn't have any sense of humour so I don't thing he was pulling
our legs.

Cheers......Chris
From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The Liberal Party RIP. (was: Re: Silly Bible semi-pedantry [was: Re: Happy Christmas!]
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:02:27 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <1993Jan11.101125.26245@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>In article <C0JzHB.9GG@dscomsa.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>>Except that the Liberals started from being a party of government and
>>managed to self destruct with two massive splits over Ireland and
>>Lloyd George.
>
>Yes, but had they not, they would have remained one of the two
>establishment parties, with all the arrogance that involves,
>and I doubt I would be much interested in them.
>
In fact I think there were three splits, since the "split over
Lloyd George" can really refer to two separate events, the one
where the Liberal Party under Asquith split away from Lloyd
George's coalition government after World War I, and the second
one where Lloyd George was reconciled with and leading the
Liberals, but a section of the Liberal Party under Simon stayed
with the 1930s coalition government, under the name "National
Liberals".

As late as the 1964 election, the fiction was maintained that
there was a separate "National Liberal" party, and a number of
Conservative MPs were elected as "Conservative and National
Liberal" in areas where it was thought the Liberal tag might
have some value.

The interesting thing to note is that each of these splits
involved right-wing elements of the Liberals joining the Tories
(one might even argue that this happened a fourth time when a
chunk of the Owenites joined the Tories). This explains to some
extent why in the UK, the old aristocratic Conservative Party
remained as the principle right-wing party, while the Liberals
remained radical and did not turn into a free market business
party, unlike the rest of Europe.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: alla0008@student.tc.umn.edu (Graham Allan)
Subject: Re: Eastern hemisphere electrical power
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:00:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.071308.15181@netcom.com> ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest Adams) writes:
>Somebody wrote:
>
>>Underpowered and over here.
>
>Generally I'm not in favor of trying to make the Old World more like the
>New, but in this case I'll make an exception. Non-lethal line voltage
>just makes better sense than 220 volts. It's like putting that smelly
>stuff in natural gas: you don't *have* to do it, but it gives the
>innocent victim of a breakdown better odds of surviving.
>
>(It also means our power cords can be discreet little things, not enormous
>cobra-hooded snakes that make a little radio look like an arc welder...
>but that's an aesthetic consideration.)

High current kills people, not high voltage. Which doesn't make it any
safer to grab onto a 240V line, it may still supply the current to kill
you, but it's not necessarily less safe than 110V either.

A line voltage of 240 volts means an equivalently powered device will draw
only half the current it would at 110 volts. The lower current also means
the cable doesn't need to be as heavy (or for the same gauge cable, it
won't heat up so much). You can also run higher powered equipment from the
wall socket at 240V. The design of British plugs doesn't have anything to
do with the voltage, they are large because every plug contains a
changable fuse as a safety measure. 

Graham
From: martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Eastern hemisphere electrical power
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:07:15 GMT
Reply-To: martin.baines@uk.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems Ltd
NNTP-Posting-Host: bottomdog.uk.sun.com

In article 14828@osf.org, david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
>In article <C0HE54.vE@fulcrum.co.uk>, igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
>|> In article <1993Jan7.071308.15181@netcom.com> ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest Adams) writes:
>
>|> > (It also means our power cords can be discreet little things, not enormous
>|> > cobra-hooded snakes that make a little radio look like an arc welder...
>|> > but that's an aesthetic consideration.)
>|> 
>|> Really?
>.....
>|> 
>|> The size of a cable is dictated by the current it carries, not the
>|> voltage applied across it.
>
>It's worse than that, Jim! the Americans use 60Hz not 50 so there is more
>surface effect (the tendency for the current to flow on the surface of the wire
>at frequency).  So the Americans need thicker cable still. If they do use
>weedly little bits of wire it is a reflection on safety standards.

Another safety difference: the reason for the monster plugs on
UK power cords comes from the requirement that that plug
is fused and earthed (grounded in US speak). This allows
UK homes to be wired on a ring main basis, with higher rated
circuit breakers/fuses at the main box. The US and mainland
Europe system is to use radial wiring from the fusebox with
more lower rated fuses at the box. (Actually due to the lower
voltage in the US the fuses are often as high as those in the
UK).

Which is the "better" system is largely a religious argument:  the UK
system should be very safe *if* the plug is wired properly, and the
correct fuse installed (ha, ha - you should see my mother wireing a new
plug!); it also makes running the wires around the house neater.

Needless to say there is a proposed European standard that
has small unfused plugs: it is being strongly resisted by
the UK and Ireland as it would require substantial rewiring
to buildings.

Martin

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Banned: ``Happy Holidays'' [sic]
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:16:54 GMT

In article <93004.173751RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.203045.7592@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) says:
>>
>>In article <2647@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> jmb@ukc.ac.uk (Mike Bremner) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec30.210833.7337@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
>>writes:
>>>
>>>>The dictionaries I consulted gave "a day off work" as the first meaning
>>>>for holiday.  Given this, 'Happy holidays' sounds pretty generic to me,
>>>
>>>Ah, but . . . "holidays", in British English, means what you might
>>>prefer to call a vacation.  So "happy holidays" sounds pretty silly to
>>
>>Which holidays are also "days off work".
>>
>>The biggest eccentricity here is the British insistence in calling
>>multiple days off work a "holiday" (singular).  :-)
>
>Bzzzt!! That's a US usage. In Britain and Ireland, people go on summer
>holidays, or take christmas holidays. Long weekends usually occur because
>of a Bank Holiday, when people get 1 day off. The "August Bank Holiday" is
>a Monday, but the "August Bank Holiday _Weekend_" is a 3 day weekend.

I disagree with you in part.  I have heard the phrase "on holiday"
more than once on your side of the Atlantic, and it seemed to mean
more than one day off.  Americans in general never _go_ on holiday or
holidays.  They celebrate a holiday or holidays, and they go on (or
have a) vacation.

>
>If you ask somebody about their holidays, they'll tell you about their 2
>weeks in Benidorm. Not about what they got from Santy...
>

I would not myself suggest that the average Briton would be too
stupid to be able to catch meanings in context.  If I asked my
sister-in-law about how her holiday went in the first week of
January she most certainly will not tell me about her summer holiday
in Wales.  She doesn't have an A-level to her name, but she's not
an idiot.
From: csfraw@vehka.cs.uta.fi (why do u want to know ?)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: English Football ????
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:13:20 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@vehka.cs.uta.fi (why do u want to know ?)
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland


I guess somebody in this group can help me answer some of these questions.
Its about the English Soccer league.

email the answers you know to : csfraw@vehka.uta.fi

reasonable gueses are welcome. thanks
*************************************************************************

1) Which premier league (english) club has never played in an FA-cup
    or league cup final ?


2) Which league club(s) have been league champions in all the divisions
   i.e (1-4)
	

4) Which premier league player has played the most league games in DIVISION 1.

	
8) Which non-british player(s) has/have won the English player of the year 
    award ?

11) Gary Lineker didn't succeed at it last year ('92), but others were 
    successful. Who were those ?


12) Name the league players who took part in the Barcelona olympic games


14) Darren Roberts of Wolverhamption scored a hattrick when playing for the
    first time  in the starting lineup in the english league. Who managed to do
    the same before him?

17) They are English. the big brother plays in the scottish priemer league and
     the little brother in the English primere league. Who are they


18) Which country's present national team manager played 67 league games - all
     for Reading FC ? (dch)

20) Name the former national player collected the most yellow cards (warnings )
   last season 


22) All four, during their playing career, played for the same team. Then they
    all left to work overseas. Each of them managed his club to win the clubs
    national league. Name the four managers, their clubs, and the year this 
    happened

23) In 1982 the English Under-18 national team played a 2-leg european cup
    qualifying matches against Scotland. The English line-up was as follows

	game 1: Francis, Yallop, Winterburn, Singleton, (Lewis),Elliott, Robson
		Snodin,Dey,Foster,Harle(Stewart),Walters

	game 2: Francis, Parker, Pickering, Duffield, Elliott, Robson,Singleton
		Steven(Bell), Pearson, Walters, Childs.

    Which of these players have since then played in the National team "adults"

24) Who is this player? He plays for the same country and the same club as his
    grandfather did 40 years ago.


--
gallows
     Opinions are like assholes;
     Everybody has one but nobody wants to look at the others.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re:Soccer news
From: mscs245@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:14:17 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

Englishmen,
	I am planning a trip to England in the near future and was wondering 
if I could get some in formation on the soccer leagues there.  I was wondering
when they played and places that have teams.  I was planning to see a game 
and was wondering what the ticket prices are.

Thanks. 
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