From: cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Etcetera
Date: 12 Sep 92 08:09:39 GMT
Organization: University of Washington


What follows is forwarded from a posting-impaired reader. :)

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	i don't have direct access to any of the alt groups here
	(space telescope is still a little antsy about government
	funded agencies allowing people to read ALT.SEX.ALUMINUM.
	BASEBALL.BAT, i guess :-\) but i'm able to read them with-
	out posting to them through University of Maryland.  could
	you possibly post my response to this on ALT.CONSPIRACY.JFK?
	i'd greatly appreciate it.

cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner) writes: >>> & >
>grant_jo@ripple.enet.dec.com (Joel Grant) writes: >>
>
>>re: 3200 (Tom Warner)

[much deleted]

>
>>>Yeah, which is why there is still no plausible official explanation for
>>>the motion of Kennedy's body immediately after the final gunshot.
>

[not so much deleted]

>
>>	One can determine very little of the source of the shot
>>	by looking at the Z-film.  It is a myth that because he
>>	moved backwards and to his left he had to have been
>>	reacting to the force of a bullet fired from his front
>>	right.
>
>Bullshit. First, it can clearly be seen from the film that Kennedy's head
>takes the hit and then impels the entire torso backward. His arms stay
>completely limp, and his back does not arch -- it simply gets thrown backward.
>There is absolutely no visbible sign of any muscular action at all. Remember,
>it would require a complex set of muscular actions, working in combination
>to perfection, to achieve a similar result. Even a conscious man would be hard
>pressed to imitate the appearance of having been hit in the right temple so
>well. For a man with half his brain gone, it's simply not possible.
>
>>       Of course, unexplained by you is the fact that
>>	JFK's head moves forward two inches between frames
>>	312-313.  Lifton hints that maybe the Z-film was 
>>	somehow altered.  Lifton, you will recall, was present
>>	when Dr. Richard Feynman pointed this out.  Presumably,
>>	Lifton was there to lecture the good doctor on the
>>	laws of physics.
>
>Is it 312-313 or 311-312? A full two inches?
>This is genuinely weird and I haven't seen anything yet that satisfactorily
>explains it. It could be that JFK received two near-simultaneous hits. It
>could be something less obvious that I don't understand. I'm not convinced
>at this point that the motion is sudden or quick enough to rule outKennedy
>having moved forward just before the hit.
>
okay...down to business.  i frankly have always found the whole double headshot
theory to be pretty hokey.  the odds of two bullets hitting within 1/18 of a
second, even in a coordinated attack such as is being postulated, and (more
importantly) being split into two frames by mr. Z's camera are on the order of
those of a single bullet following the whole Magic Bullet route.  i think there
is a far more simple explanation for JFK's forward twitch prior to his massive
backwards snap that doesn't seem to get any play around A.C.JFK.

namely, JFK's head was NOT perfectly vertical at the time of impact.  also, it
was resting on the top of his neck which has a fairly well established range of
motions it can be allowed to move in without breaking.  consider this:  what
happens to your head and body if, while you are leaning slightly forward and to
the left, you apply a pressure to your right temple in a direction towards the
rear and left, allowing your parts to follow the motion of the pressure.

first, your head will be pushed in a rotational direction (counterclockwise
when viewed from above) as well as dropping the level of your chin (especially
if you include a downward component to the pressure being applied) and putting
your forehead relatively forward.  this will continue until your head reaches
the extent of its allowable movement.  when it reaches that point, it will
continue to try to move in said direction, but it will now also be dragging
your body after it due to the newly established rigidity of the neck.  it will
force the body back and to the left.

now what happens if you watch this event from a side position, say slightly
rotated clockwise (viewed from above) from the direction the pressure is being
applied in:
               __  / direction of pressure
  top view:   /  \'
              \__/ --- line of sight

you will see the head seem to bob forward momentarily before the whole shebang
flies abruptly backwards.

does this make sense?

can we think of an occasion where we might have seen something exactly like
this effect?  hmmmm....

>
>>Joel Grant (still speaking on his own behalf)
>
>Tom Warner

mike brutvan 
space telescope science institute

(it's like my employers care what i think, only different)
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