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From: hfrg@cs.mcgill.ca (Peter Choi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hockey money from Canadian TV
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:02:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr15.120242.13926
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <880691c.62.703285192@ace.acadiau.ca> 880691c@ace.acadiau.ca (MATT CUNDILL) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.163905.3300@cs.rochester.edu> ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) writes:
>>From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
>>Subject: Re: Hockey money from Canadian TV
>>Date: 14 Apr 92 16:39:05 GMT
>
>
>>In article <MduF4EK00WAuACeXxv@andrew.cmu.edu> Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>Does the NHL get any revenue from Canadian TV? If not, I think the NHL
>>>should attempt  to get more money from them considering hockey is the
>>>equivalent of football and baseball  put together for Canada.
>
>>Hey, what a great idea. How many Canadian dollars do you want? There's
>>the blue ones and the green ones and the orange ones and the red
>>ones...
>
>Funny George.


Well said Matt.

GEORGE : Even though Canada may seem divided at this time, jus tthink of it as
sibling squandering. But when it comes to hockey, better not mess with
CANADA. At least we've got some colour in our lives, not the same monotony
that the americans have ...


Sprinkle :-) where needed, and a heavy dose of :).

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From: djung@fraser.sfu.ca (Derek Shew Lon Jung)
Subject: Re: Most popular athletes
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:10:19 GMT

chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin) writes:

>I'm compiling a list of the two most popular athletes in each NHL city or
>region.  Please reply through e-mail if you are sure a change in the list is in
>order.  Thanks in advance.

>Glenn


>Most popular athletes in NHL cities/regions (one athlete per team per region)
>									Apr/92
>		Most popular		Second most popular

<...>

>Vancouver	Pavel Bure		?
                                        ^^^^

Probably one of the BC Lions:  Jon Volpe, Matt Clark, Jay Christensen.
(Maybe Danny Barrett....)


Derek
I'net: djung@sfu.ca


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From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar)
Subject: Playoff Format
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:37:58 GMT


  Since there has been much talk about the Isles and the Flyers missing the
playoffs. I would suggest that the NHL uses the NBA playoff format which
would have the best 8 teams in in each of the conferences.
  
  The winner of each division will have the number one and two seeds
and the rest will be determined based on their number of points.  On this
given format the Isles and the Flyers would have made it to the playoffs
based on their better record than the Whalers and the Sabres. We also would
have more different playoff series. The matchups would have been something 
something like the following:

 1 N.Y Rangers_________                                 ______ 1 Detroit   
 8 Philadelphia        |                               |       8 Calgary 
                       |------                   ------|        
 4 New Jersey__________|      |                 |      |______ 4 LA Kings 
 5 Pittsburgh                 |      STANLEY    |              5 St. Louis 
                               -------   ------- 
 3 Washington__________       |        CUP      |       ______ 3 Chicago 
 6 Boston              |      |                 |      |       6 Edmonton    
                       |------                   ------|  
 2 Montreal____________|                               |______ 2 Vancouver 
 7 NY Islanders                                                7 Winnipeg 


JOE.
Contact for the Blues.
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From: b_hart@odin.dev.macsch.com (Bill Hart)
Subject: Re: 1 game remaining... ?!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: b_hart@macsch.com
Organization: MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation (MSC), Los Angeles, California
Date: 13 Apr 1992 13:23 -0700

In article <1992Apr13.164409.19497@u.washington.edu>, aranta@milton.u.washington.edu (Aaron Ranta) writes...
>OK, if the games are picking up where they left off to finish the season, then
>somewhere in there I missed one... So could anyone tell me what the results
>were of the Canucks vs Calgary game that was to have been played on April 2?
> 

I think "picking up where they left off" is probably a poor choice of words
for what the NHL is doing. Completing the schedule fits better.

The April 2 game, Vancouver vs. Calgary will be played either April 15 or 16.

The April 4 game, Vancouver at Los Angeles will be played April 14.

The April 5 game, Los Angeles at Vancouver was played last night, April 12.
Kings 6 - Canucks 1.

>Seattle is the worst town in the entire civilized world to live in if you're a
>hockey fan from Canada... ( Bass fishing and the status of the Ling Cod 
>fishery get more newspaper coverage )

I've that about Seattle from a lot of US hockey fans that have moved to
the Pacific Northwest.

>If the game was played then I know the Canucks lost ( seeing as how they are
>on this 4 game losing streak and all ) but I have no clue other than that.
> 
>   Much obliged.

You're welcome.

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From: matsinen@jyu.fi (Timo Matsinen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: I'd like to know - Help me, please!
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:01:59 GMT
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland

Hi there!

Once and a while the questions seem to rise up. Now when the
NHL players' strike is going on, it is a good time to ask
these. Anyway I would like to know ansers to some questions
concerning NHL and some questions concerning the intern-
ational ice-hockey.

Here they are:

In the March 24th Mario Lemieux scored his 1000th NHL point.
How many player are there in NHL who has scored 1000 points
before Lemioux?

What is longest Stanley Cup game ever played?

Is there any palyers in NHL who have made more points than
others in one season and they have done this twice playing
in different teams?

I think there is two coaches who have more than 700 wins in
their NHL career. Who are they?

What is the biggest win for ever in the ice-hockey world 
championship tournaments?

Who were chosen to the all-star team in junior wolrd 
championship tournament in Leningrand 1974?

Thanks for everyone
Timo
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From: mikem@beanpot.ma30.bull.com (Mike Machnik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Most popular athletes
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:52:28 GMT
Reply-To: mikem@beanpot.ma30.bull.com (Mike Machnik)
Distribution: na
Organization: Bull Worldwide Information Systems

In article <1992Apr15.190735.15366@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com
(edward.lor) writes:
|>In article <1992Apr14.125437.1@sask.usask.ca> chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin)
writes:
|>>		Most popular		Second most popular
|>>Boston		Roger Clemens		Larry Bird
|>                Larry Bird              Roger Clemens

Bird 1, Bourque 2 is right with Clemens a close 3rd.  Although the Red Sox
as a whole are the most popular team in Boston and always will be until they
win a World Series :-), no single Red Sox player is as popular as Bourque.  But
Clemens comes close.  Clemens' perceived bad attitude by many people tends to
make them not care too much about the guy as a person although they definitely
appreciate and cheer his play on the field.  But people here are absolutely
in love with Bourque. Also, consider the fact that the overwhelming majority of
fans were vociferously *against* a Bourque-for-Lindros deal straight up when
it was rumored several months ago, even though the majority of people outside
Boston would have made it in a second.  When there was contract trouble with
Clemens not long ago, many, many people said "ship him out".
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From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: I need my fix!
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:45:25 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

dja1@mulch.picst.bellcore.com (Dave Arlington) writes:

> I really don't care who is right or wrong any more. I need hockey!!

I hear THAT.  At this point, I'm ready to watch tapes of LAST season's Cup
playoffs.  Like that Pens vs. Bruins series.  Damn.
 
> Does anyone know if SportsChannel or MSG or anything has any plans to 
> show any of the IHL or AHL playoffs? For a follower of hockey, most of
> these teams have enough familiar names to make it watchable. Won't they
> please show us some hockey?

I turned on SC tonight during the spot blocked aside for the playoffs, just
to see what was on, and you know what they were showing?  Any idea?

"Formula-style Go-Kart racing."  I shit you not.

This does not bode well for an AHL pickup from these folks.

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From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Consecutive seasons over .500
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:46:27 GMT

cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO) writes:

>Dave, I was not implying that San Jose would be a contender if they were in the
>Adams, but I am saying that a team in the Patrick's has a harder time of making
>the playoffs than a team in the Adams' as the Patrick's is more competitive.

Remember. two years ago the Hartford Whalers had 85 points; they were
tied with the Rangers, top team in the Patrick division. In fact, three of
the top four teams in the league were in the Adams division. (Granted,
having Quebec in the division probably helped slightly...)

The point is, standings change over time. In the long run, everything
evens out.
From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Calder (not Bure, not Lidstrom, not Amonte!)
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:08:56 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak CHHABRA) writes:

>In article <92094.104228EJW103@psuvm.psu.edu> EJW103@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>The winner of te Calder trophy should NOT be the person with the best individua
>>l effort during a season.  Like Amonte and his approximately 65 points, or the
>>great defenseman Lidstrom, or the playmaker Bure.  Instead, this trophy should
>>belong to the player who has made the greatest contribution to his team.
>>
>>Player          Team           GWG      GTG        Points earned for team
>>
>>Donald Audette  Buffalo         6        1                  13
>>
>>Pavel Bure      Vancouver       6        0                  12
>>
>>Tony Amonte     New York (R)    3        0                   6
>>
>>Nicklas LidstromDetroit         1?       0?                  2?
>>
>>When you look at the statistics this way...The Calder Trophy can go to no one
>>else but Donald Audette of the Buffalo Sabres.  He has other merits as well, su
>>ch as his 29 goals which is surpassed only by Amonte, but his Goals/shot % is
>>19.9% which is far above any rookie in the hunt.  At that rate, in an 80 game
>>season, Donald would have 39 goals, which is not so far from 40 which is outsta
>>nding for a rookie!
>>

>Unfortunately your criteria fails.  You have looked at GWG and GTG and 
>assumed that these stats alone provide an accurate indication of the 
>contribution a player has made to his team. 

Actually, we do need some sort of measure of a player. Defense is
almost impossible to measure, but for offence, how about something
like 'Useful Points', eg. points which either helps a team win,
or keeps a game close. (Thus, if a team wins 10-0, only a few of the
goals and assists are relavent, but if a game is close, like
5-4, every point earned is important.) Anyone have any ideas for
a system like this?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: The Strike SUCKS.
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 14:08:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.000227.7683@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <ARBOGASTW.27@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast) writes:
>>
>>I saw the same thing with McNall but it came across different in my house.  
>>What's your gripe with McNall other than maybe his high salaries and those 
>>of St. Louis got the whole thing started.  McNall said it made no sense to 
>>him and it makes no sense to me either.  I can understand the player's 
>>points AND the owner's points, but this whole thing is over politics and 
>>hockey cards.  And the owners offered a one year deal that allowed the 
>>players to keep all the hockey card revenue they've become accustomed to.  I 
>>don't understand people like Bob Goodenow and Iron Mike Gartner saying "
>>unfair, unfair.  Can you believe the owners want us to negotiate something 
>>we've had for twenty years?"  Where does that logic come from?

>The players want the hockey card issued negotiated now...the NHLPA and
>players associations in other sports have used this as a major source
>of revenue for financing the associations.  The owners don't want to
>negotiate the issue, but maintain their claim that all the hockey card
>revenue is really theirs...but they won't act on this claim during
>the course of the contract currently being negotiated, (until they
>can lock them out next time that is).  This bad faith on the hockey
>card issue is a sign that the owners want to bust the union.

>Gerald

No, the players don't want the hockey card issue negotiated now.  They don't 
want it in the negotiations at all.  They can't believe the owners want to 
negotiate something that they maintain is the status quo.  When you stand up 
and say "hey let's reslice the owner's pie," I think you should be well 
aware that your pie might come up for debate.  And that's what happened.  
The owners said, "let's maintain the status quo with your card revenue for a 
one year contract through June 1993. By June 1993, let's work out a new CBA 
that we can agree with on all issues, including hockey cards."  Ultimately a 
player signs a contract agreeing that owners can use their image (still or 
moving)  in whatever way the owner chooses.  The owners have agreed without 
having to do so, to let the players share in card revenue for their union.

I'm not sure on the other sports leagues, but you maintain that other sports 
card revenue goes to players associations.  This is not true in baseball.  
They players take the available money, it does not go to the union.
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: LIGHTNING NEWS: An old season tickets TV ad
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:57:33 GMT

Since I'm tired of strike news, I thought I would finally post this. This
ad has been running all season, long before any strike threats were heard
(so keep that in mind). It's pretty funny in any event.

"In New York City, they're so hard to come by they're handed from father to
son. In Boston, they're negotiated in divorce settlements. In Chicago, people
read the obituaries hoping to find a pair. Hockey season tickets are now
available to see the Tampa Bay Lightning. How are you going to get yours?"

When I've seen the add, it's been running during Orlando Magic games. So it's
likely many people have seen it. Of course, people might not take the gamble
now.

First, this season we had No'dique. Now we have the new NHL (No Hockey League).
We'll call those involved in the situation "NoHoLes" even though they're
acting like 'holes!

Tom
From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Fan Intervention
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:10:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr17.201059.25646
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.


In article <1992Apr17.194950.25594@acsu.buffalo.edu> v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts) writes:
>I, too, am tired of the hackneyed comment that "Americans don't watch hockey
>because it's too violent."

Who's hackneyed comment is this? Probably someone from a university in
Pennsylvania. Anyway, I always thought that Americans watched hockey
because it *was* too violent. Me, I'm a Canadian, eh?

George
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO)
Subject: Re: Consecutive seasons over .500
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:50:21 GMT

Are you trying to tell me that a team like Montreal has an easy time against 
good teams, but can't beat teams like Hartford or Quebec?  In that case, I'd
like to wish them luck in the first round as guess what team they'll be 
facing...  One of the teams you said they had a hard time against, Hartford.
The only way Montreal has a hard time against Quebec is probably because that's
a game that Quebec tries to play harder to win.  Battle of Quebec brings out
the best in those teams.  The Battle of Alberta and New York are two other 
examples when the teams even out and give their best for their home crowd fans.
 
If you put a team like the Isles in ANY other division, they are in a playoff
spot, and if you were to put them in the Adams, they'd be in 3rd place, and 
not to far away from 2nd place Boston!  Yes, if you did move teams around, they
may not have the same number of points, but pointwise and standing wise from 
this past year, the Isles SHOULD be in the Playoffs.  The same goes for a team
like Philadelphia.  Hartford and Minnesota don't deserve to be in the playoffs,
even though Minnesota had played some incredible hockey during their Cinderella
story from last season's playoffs.
 
I am not stating that the only reason that Montreal does so well is because of
their competitiors in their division, but that is one of the major factors.
 
Next year with the addition of Ottawa, (and I know you come from Ottawa so pick
either the Habs or the Senators), the Canadiens will do better than this year.
 
   ____
    / o n y.
From: neal@atmos.washington.edu (Neal Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Lazy hockey player needs help (psycho therapy)
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:38:37 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington

In article <1992Apr14.191407.3837@iscsvax.uni.edu> dutkowsk5111@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>    Hello, my name is jean-claude dutkowsk5111 and I am a very bad hockey
>   player.  I've never had a good coach and it shows.  I've been told that
>.......

Until I got to the part about 300 lbs I thought this was Kimbi Daniels
posting.

Seattle Thunderbirds/Kamloops Blazers series now stands at 2-1
Kamloops.

Sydor has performed magnificently but took a few cheap shots in last
night's 5-2 loss to Seattle.  Niedermayer has been above average but
has logged a lot of penalty time.  Kimbi Daniels looks like he is
practicing skating as a tune up for the Ice Capades.  Nobody knows why
he continues to get ice time.  Turner Stevenson was at the top of his 
game with 2 goals, 2 assists last night.



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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Jets 6, Oilers 2
Keywords: hockey, men's professional
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 05:25:17 GMT

In article <hkn-oilersU2AE1230ae@clarinet.com> clarinews@clarinet.com writes:
>
>	EDMONTON, Alberta (UPI) -- Igor Ulanov, Doug Evand and Aaron Broten
>scored within the first 7:31 of the second period Tuesday night to lift
>the Winnipeg Jets to a 6-2 victory over the Edmonton Oilers.
>	The Jets won their fourth straight and are 5-0-1 since their last
>loss March 17. They denied Edmonton a chance to catch Los Angeles for
>second place in the Smythe Division.

Hurray!  Now, I guess that means that it's time to bring out my "playoff
.sig..." :-)

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GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Go for the Stanley Cup!  Go for the 4-0 sweep!
Esa Tikkanen is a stiff! :-) (from the injury)  Bill Ranford is a stiff! :-)
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Pat Falloon for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
Kansas City Blades for Turner Cup!
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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NHL SKATES IN CIRCLES
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:00:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: hsdndev.594
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS

AP is reoporting that the owners' lawyers are still working at preparing the latest
proposal to the players. It will be presented to them at some point
this afternoon.
 
Today will be the day when we find out if the SportsChannel has televised
its last NHL game.