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From: nording@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: OAG access
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 10:08:31 PST
Reply-To: nording@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us



I know you can access OAG through CompuSSServe, and pay CI$ connect
time PLUS OAG connect time.  I know you can get a direct sub. to OAG.
But I would doubt you will be able to find free access to OAG, since
they impose their own surcharge.  I don't know about the Eaasy Sabre
service, whether there are ways other than CI$ to get in.
Good luck.
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air,rec.travel.marketplace
From: markn@ssd.comm.mot.com (Mark Nowak)
Subject: Re: for sale: Hawaii Dream Vacation
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 08:58:50 GMT
Keywords: n

In article <1992Dec24.022323.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> salina@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>I have a vacation voucher for two to Honolulu Hawaii for 8 days and 7 nights at
>beautiful Waikiki beach.  This certificate entitles 2 adults hotel
>accommodations, including 2 round -trip airfires, fresh flower lei greeting,
>continental breakfsast, airport/hotel transfers, baggage handling, and all
>applicable taxes, for less than the price of one rt standard coach (Y fare 
>basis) airfare.
>
>It is valid until December 15, 1994.  Some blackout days.  I am going to sell
>it to the highest bid since I won this in a sweepstakes.
>
>Please e-mail your offer to: salina@oread.cc.ukans.edu
>
>-Sal-
>
>

I went on this same vacation last year.  It was fun, but the hidden costs
add up to the point that I probably could have done better by just going to
a travel agent and starting from scratch.  Buying such a voucher and then
using it would most likely be much more expensive than just going through
a travel agent. 

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From: tor@geomatic.no (Tor Langballe)
Subject: Flights UK to Hong Kong
Organization: Geomatic a.s, Norway.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 09:39:03 GMT

Hi, does anybody know of where to go for cheap air-travel
from London to Hong Kong? Mid April is approx. when I want to go.

Thanks,
-Tor
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From: pam@netcom.com (Pamela Araki)
Subject: Hawaii - The Big Island - Info?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:20:04 GMT

Hi!  This is probably a FAQ.  If it is, can someone tell me who
to contact to get it?

Well, this is the situation.  We're going to the main island of Hawaii
next month and would like to get some netwisdom on the following:

1.	Where is a *really* nice place to stay?
2.	What are some *must do* things - we've got an 8month     
	old baby ...
3.	What is not worth doing or seeing?
4.	Any really good restaurants?  Mmmmmmmm ....

Just to let you know a little about us - we're not into the night
life - just sort of quiet stuff ... like sightseeing and all that
and good food ;-D

Thanks *very* much!

-pam araki
pam@netcom.com
(408)395-6905


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From: eugene@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Simple suggestions for travel (net reminders really)
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 12:30:12 GMT
Reply-To: eugene@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)

Rec.travel: one of the best news groups, let's keep it that way.
Considerations to minimize needless repetitive postings:

If you want travel information, consider traditional sources such as
the auto club and travel agents, because they can give info the net
can't, like maps.  SEEK them BEFORE posting.  These sources are usually
free and quite detailed.  Try the Yellow Pages(tm) (finger walking).
Phone are much faster.

If you are uncertain about posting, ask someone on the net by mail
before posting, this will minimize flames and not burn out oldsters.
Many network mentors will gladly help by email.

Minimize cross-posting.  Also consider posting to more specialized
groups than travel.

By all means, if you have really bizzare kinds of questions,
like the time of the next solar eclipse at the South Pole, do post.
Everyone would enjoy it.  The net is best used for discussions,
but queries are best answered by mail.

There is no requirement that postings be made in English.

Xref: sparky rec.travel:16946 rec.travel.air:6271 rec.travel.marketplace:321
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air,rec.travel.marketplace
Subject: for sale: Hawaii Dream Vacation
From: salina@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 24 Dec 92 02:23:23 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

I have a vacation voucher for two to Honolulu Hawaii for 8 days and 7 nights at
beautiful Waikiki beach.  This certificate entitles 2 adults hotel
accommodations, including 2 round -trip airfires, fresh flower lei greeting,
continental breakfsast, airport/hotel transfers, baggage handling, and all
applicable taxes, for less than the price of one rt standard coach (Y fare 
basis) airfare.

It is valid until December 15, 1994.  Some blackout days.  I am going to sell
it to the highest bid since I won this in a sweepstakes.

Please e-mail your offer to: salina@oread.cc.ukans.edu

-Sal-


Xref: sparky rec.travel:16983 rec.travel.air:6281
From: sbrenner@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (scott.d.brenner)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
Subject: Questions Regarding Boarding Passes and Rental Cars
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:25:29 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

Sorry if these are FAQs; I don't read this group regularly.

Question 1:  I'll be flying from Newark, NJ to Ft. Lauderdale in March 
	     on Delta.  They told me I can get seat assignments 60 days
prior to the flight and I can do it over the phone.  They also told me
that I can get actual boarding passes 30 days prior to the flight but
that I have to go to a ticket counter to pick them up; they won't mail
them to me.  I like to have my boarding passes before I get to the 
airport on the day of the flight.  That way, I don't have to stand in
any lines and can arrive 15 minutes before departure and still make it
(with carry-on luggage, of course).  Actual boarding passes are more of
a guarantee of the specific seats you've chosen as well; assignments
alone are nearly worthless (as I discovered several years ago on a 
Continental flight).

So the question is: does anyone know a way I could convince Delta to 
mail the boarding passes to me?  I'd rather not have to take a trip out
to the airport just to pick them up.

Question 2:  What's the cheapest/easiest/best way to rent a car at the
	     Ft. Lauderdale airport?  I'll need it for about 3.5 days
and would be happy with something like a Ford Escort, Toyota Corolla,
etc.  Do the airlines have any arrangements with the car rental places?
I already bought my airline tickets (over the phone using my Visa card)
but I forgot to ask the agent about car rentals.


Any answers to my questions would be greatly appreciated.  Please 
respond directly via e-mail since I don't read this group regularly.

a T d H v A a N n K c S e

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Scott D. Brenner
AT&T Consumer Communications Services
Basking Ridge, NJ
sbrenner@attmail.com
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: Michael.Bohl@launchpad.unc.edu (Michael Bohl)
Subject: Weather Info for Ireland in March Needed
Keywords: Ireland, weather
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:41:26 GMT

I am traveling to Ireland over St. Patricks Day.  I've never been there
before.  I understand that the weather will most likely be cool and damp,
but I can find no info in any of my literature describing just how cool it
will be.  Should I expect highs in the 30's, 40's, or something else?  Any
suggestions on clothing would be very much appreciated.

Thanks.

Mike B.



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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: perry@lheavx.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brendan Perry)
Subject: Re: Lockers at Schipol Airport
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:27:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.125036.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cmbr01@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Dec17.212123.21488@watson.ibm.com>, kundu@watson.ibm.com (Sandip Kundu) writes:
> > 
> > I am planning a little stop over in Europe on my way to India.
> > I have no intention of carting my luggage (32" samsonite
> > soft-side) around and would like to stow it away at Schipol
> > airport, Amsterdam. I called a KLM customer service representative. 
> > She told me that there are lockers available at Amsterdam airport
> > but she has no idea if they are large enough to hold such
> > suitcases. 
> > 
> > I will appreciate answers from those who have availed this
> > service at Amsterdam. Do they have full-service concierge 
> > available, if so how much do they cost ?
> > 
> > Sandip
> 
> 
> There is a good left luggage and locker place at A'dam's
> Centraal Station. Since Schipol is directly connected to
> this train station and it in only 10 (20 ?) minutes away
> then perhaps you may like to enquire about that?
> 
> Bye, J.

I was at Schipol in September and I suggest using the lockers at the
airport
itself, since they are more secure, cheaper, bigger and less per day than
at Centraal Station. I think it was something like 6 guilders for a large
locker (we put 2 4000+ cc backpacks plus 1 carry on in the locker easily).
The way it works is that you put in coins for a certain amount, then if you
stay longer it won't give you your luggage back until you deposit more
coins.
There is also a long term storage counter but we didn't need that.

Bon voyage...

Brendan
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: george@helix.nih.gov (George Potter)
Subject: HONEYMOON
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:32:16 GMT

From: "mail.one" <JWA@CU.NIH.GOV>
Date:     Tue, 22 Dec 1992  15:56:32 EST
Subject:  Looking for the Way to the Honeymoon spot
Acknowledge-To:    JWA@NIHCU.BITNET
X-Acknowledge-To:  JWA@NIHCU.BITNET
Status: R

This is for a friend!

Can you give me directions to the Pokinos in Pennsylvania.
Please email to jwa@nihcu.bitnet.

THANKS

                   Nate


Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: P0022@vmcms.csuohio.edu
Subject: San Diego
Organization: CSU
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:48:25 GMT

   I will be travelling to San Deigo on Jan. 16 and I'm looking for
 some things to do since I will be there a week and the conference
 I'm attending will not fill my whole week. Any ideas?
 
  Thank you,
   Chuck
Xref: sparky rec.travel:16951 soc.culture.thai:4067
From: prnott@cco.caltech.edu (Prabhu R. Nott)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.thai
Subject: Need advice on Bangkok accomodations.
Date: 25 Dec 1992 01:53:45 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

Folks:
	My wife, and I will be stopping over at Bangkok for about 3-4
days with our 4 month old daughter in late January.  We are looking for
places to stay that are clean and comfortable, and preferably in a
"nice" locality.  I have the Lonely Planet guide to Bangkok and they
list several establishments in the $40 - $60 range (1000 - 1500 Baht)
per night.  Can anybody who has been there recently recommend a good
hotel?  The main areas listed in the Lonely Planet guide are:
		Banglamphu
		Chinatown
		Silom and Surawong Rd.
		Siam Square
		Pratunam
		Sukhamvit Rd and
		Victory Monument
	Are any of the above places better than the rest?

	If anyone has visited Thailand with an infant recently, we would
greatly appreciate advice/tips.  Our main concern is avoiding
infections etc.  Also, advice on places to see and things to do are
welcome.  Many thanks,

Prabhu

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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: gadams@ph2.uni-koeln.de (Gunnar Adams)
Subject: Info on motels (cheap) in Florida needed!
Organization: Institute of Theoretical Physics, University of Cologne, F. R.
	Germany
Distribution: rec
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:13:46


Hi,

We have been invited to watch the Space Shuttle launch on February 25th,
carrying a former colleague from our institute. We urgently need to get in
touch with some local motels in
		1. The Cape Canaveral area
		2. The Orlando area
		3. The Miami area.

We would appreciate it if someone was nice enough to send us some phone/fax
numbers of relatively cheap motels or motel chains (Motel Six ?).
Currently we calculate up to $40 per room (2 beds) and night. Is this a
reasonable assumption ? 
Some of us would like to camp over there. Could anyone recommend camping
sites in the areas mentioned above ?

Please respond directly to me (gadams@idefix.ph2.uni-koeln.de).

Thank you very much

	Gunnar Adams
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: >>> Info needed: JFK/LaGurdia to NYC <<<
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:37:17 GMT

hjohar@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Hardeep Johar) writes:
>
>From JFK:
>1. Carey bus approx $12 1hr
>2. Cab $30 - $40 40 min to 1 hr 15 min
>3. Subway (free bus to subway + 1.25). A train to Port authority bus
>terminal, 20 min to get to subway 1 hr subway ride 10 min walk + 20
>min waiting time).

4. Q10 bus from JFK to Union Turnpike/Kew Gardens (Queens), $1.25.
Transfer to E train (fast, safe express) for Manhattan, another $1.25
(transfers?  HAH!!).  The Columbia-to-JFK counter time for this route
is under 2 hours with all waiting times factored in.  Option #3 takes
an additional half hour to full hour.

gld
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From: tpm@ecs (TP Monks)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Critters
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:30:10 GMT

I have endured the true UK sea climbing initiation rite.  Unfortunately.
On Green Cormorant Face (E2 or E3 ?) near Bosigran, after doing the hard
bits, romped up the 4c pitch, was mantling onto a ledge, looked up and
was face to face with a LARGE seagull which was reared back with wings
spread and an evil look in its eye.  Those things are big and scary.
It waited a crucial half second while I tried to remember whether it
was seagulls or swans that could break bones just by pecking, and 
then threw up its entire fish dinner at me - a green jet of *stinking* 
fish oil and digestive fluids - from a range of about 2'.  All over my 
favourite J-Tree T-shirt.  Fastest downclimb ever!

I washed it 5, yes *5* times (even tried Radion for those UK readers!) 
and it still smelt strongly of fish.  After that, washed it with swarfega
and it smelt of....swarfega!  Its ok now after a few more washes, but a
bit threadbare!

I guess that this has happened to many people around the world!

Tim


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From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Red Rock Canyon, NV
Date: 28 Dec 1992 18:34:31 GMT
Organization: Sun
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

In article <1992Dec28.084134.27798@hellgate.utah.edu> allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson) writes:
>Terry_D._Meyer@tcs.las-vegas.nv.us writes:
>>Has anyone spent much time in the Red Rock Canyon Area outside of Las Vegas ?
>
>Yes.
>
Me too.
From: brianm@cara.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Moretta)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Critters
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:30:35 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

A relatively new subsciber so this may have been said before...

There's a route in Northumberland called Viper. Its rumoured that the reason
is that there was an encounter with one in a little hole about half way up.
Supposidly it was hammered to death with a large hex.

Brian Moretta
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: Joshua Tree climbing suggestions
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:49:33 GMT

From article <1992Dec22.103307.1@stsci.edu>, by kochte@stsci.edu:
> Greetings, Netters,
> 
> I've a couple of climbing friends who are getting married in a few months
> and want to take their honeymoon out at Joshua Tree, and as they have no
> access to the Network (much less email), they asked me to ask you to give
> them suggestions of climbs to do out there, and what kind of pro is needed.
> They'll probably be climbing between 5.5 to 5.9 lead, 5.10 toprope. I was
> out long, long ago, but didn't get enough exposure to the area to point them
> much of anywhere except Short Wall (where the only toprope-able 5.10 I am
> familiar with is Right V-Crack). Any responses you have for routes and/or
> pro I will pass on to them. Thanks!
> 

  The important thing for them is to find the sunny spots. It's a bit
  cold out there right now. Tell them to bring *warm* stuff. Although
  J-Tree is in the desert, it is the high desert, and it is winter.
  Daytime temperatures range from low 50's to high 60's depending mostly
  on wind and sun exposure. (find a sunny, protected spot and you'll be
  ok). Some of the better sunny spots are:

    Echo Cove
    Hidden Valley Campground

  Where 5.7-5.9 are abundant.  If the wind is not up, try the Lost Horse
  area. There are excellent routes in Rock Garden and on the lost horse
  wall. Have Fun!

  Cheers!
-Max

Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Subject: Canadian Mailorder???
Summary: what companies are there?
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 16:35:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523
Followup-To: rec.climbing

Could somebody recommend Canadian mailorder firms other than MEC?
From: cbrown@islesboro.East.Sun.COM (Chris Brown - SunSelect Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Ice Condx in NH
Keywords: Ice Climbing
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:19:54 GMT
Reply-To: cbrown@islesboro.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
NNTP-Posting-Host: islesboro.east.sun.com

I'm heading up to the White Mountains of NH over the Xmas week. Anyone have some firsthand reports on the ice climbing conditions at the following areas:

Crawford Notch - Willey, Frankenstien, Avalon, Elephant Head Gully
Huntington Ravine -
Thanks, Chris B.
From: hallinan@gramian.harvard.edu (Peter W. Hallinan)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: WINTER IN THE WHITE MTNS.
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:11:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: gramian.HALLINAN.92Dec22141149
	<1go895INNm12@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>
	<1992Dec17.193242.18609@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
	<1992Dec18.152255.24992@inmet.camb.inmet.com>
	<hostetlr-221292084918@macl52.bucknell.edu>
Followup-To: rec.climbing
Organization: Harvard Robotics Lab, Harvard University

Jim Hostetler writes:

   I guess I'm looking for something in between on this trip. I am an
   experienced climber (I spent this past May on Denali-- gulp!) but I'm
   taking two rock jocks up to give them experience in winter mountaineering.

I just led a beginner's trip to Tuckerman's. It's perfect for what you
describe right now, though later it will fill in with snow and
Huntington's will be better (Diagonal and Central gullies are easy
beginner's climbs; you might also consider Odell's).

   Please tell me does the Harvard Hut get crowded?
   What's their capacity? I was there in October but no one was around. Also,
   I know that in the summer camping is not permitted in Huntington Ravine but
   what about in the winter?

The hut's official capacity is only 16 but there's generally always
room. You can also camp outside in a few designated spots for a
nominal fee I believe. There is no camping other than at these spots.
You can call ahead to the Pinkham front desk to see if there's room. 
Also, you probably stay at the shelters at Hermit lake in Tuckerman's.


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From: sinclair@cc.usu.edu (Bob Sinclair)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: seasons greetings
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:35:14 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In a Totally Blatant disregard for bandwidth use and netiquette....
Merry Christmas to rec.climbing
(Guess who's skyving off work early for a couple of weeks :-))
Bobs
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: ted@nmsu.edu (Ted Dunning)
Subject: Re: RP's?
Reply-To: ted@nmsu.edu
Organization: Computing Research Lab
	<1992Dec19.011238.1316@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:54:19 GMT


In article <1992Dec19.011238.1316@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> marlatt@spot.Colorado.EDU (Stuart W. Marlatt) writes:

   I read an interesting test which was done for the Screamer.
   An anvil was tied to a short length of rope (5 ft. seems to
   ring a bell), which was then anchored to a fixed point -
   _via a pair of shoelaces_! The anvil was dropped (factor 1),
   and barely slowed down when it hit the end of the rope.
   Add the Screamer (and a new pair of shoelaces) - viola! THe
   anchor holds!


this is a wonderful example of when something like a screamer will do
some good.  on the other hand, with more rope out, the anchor would
likely break because a load limiter can only absorb a finite amount of
energy (easily calculated... they start coming loose at about 800
pounds of load, and usually give you about 1-2 feet of extra fall...
this means that they absorb about 1000-2000 foot pounds of energy).
in a short fall, this absorption can easily make all the difference,
while in a longer fall the amount of energy that must be absorbed
would be considerably larger.

Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson)
Subject: Re: Red Rock Canyon, NV
Date: 28 Dec 92 08:41:34 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa

Terry_D._Meyer@tcs.las-vegas.nv.us writes:
>Has anyone spent much time in the Red Rock Canyon Area outside of Las Vegas ?

Yes.

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