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From: lecl@quads.uchicago.edu (elizabeth e. leclair)
Subject: Re: keeping new members
Reply-To: lecl@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:28:04 GMT

     On the subject of juggling groups and new  members, etc., I belive that
  Fritz Grobe once gave me the following advice about group practice at 
  Y.A.G.S. (Yale Anti-Gravity Society):

    Always juggle with someone who's worse than you.
    Always juggle with someone who's way better than you
    The former keeps the group juggle-thing going.
    The latter keeps you from becoming a juggle ego fiend.    

  
   Also, IMHO, if you've lost the ability to be turned on by a three-ball
   cascade taking shape in the hands of a beginner, you've really lost         
   something.  

   Juggle on!

   -E.E.


-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Elizabeth E. LeClair  (lecl@midway.uchicago.edu)~~~~~~~~~~~~~
           Committee on Evolutionary Biology, University of Chicago
"Sex is two wavy lines and the United States of America is a trapezoid." L.M.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "corn bear (Friedeman,Richard F)" <FRIEDEMA@AC.GRIN.EDU>
Subject: keeping new jugglers
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 11:11:50 cdt

this is to phil sanmiguel
our club in grinnell seems to have the same problem as purdue.  as near as i 
can tell, there aren't any serious members who didn't know how to juggle at 
least a little bit before they arrived.  i'd appreciate it if you'd post your 
ideas about keeping new people, or, if you don't want to post it, just send 
it to us.  
we really need to get new jugglers, since most of our club consists of 
juniors and seniors.  i don't want the club to disolve after we graduate.

rich
FRIEDEMA@AC.GRIN.EDU
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From: jhk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky)
Subject: THE BRAND NEW WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY IN ST. LOUIS JUGGLING CLUB!
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 02:10:53 GMT

	Hello!  I'd like to announce the brand-spanking new Juggling Club
at Washington University in St. Louis.  Today we had a sign-up sheet at
the annual Activities Fair on campus.  This morning we began with about
eight members.  After the fair, we had SIXTY signatures!
	Juggling is finally on the rise on campus, which is much a relief
and a cause of stress to me.  It's a relief because now I know there will
always be someone to juggle with.  It's a cause of stress because I have no
idea what I'm doing!!
	I have never run a juggling club before and now I have about sixty
people (jugglers and hopefuls alike) who expect me to have some sort of plan.
I would welcome any and all suggestions towards helping me to run this club
efficiently.  My goals are:
	1) To offer assistance to all who wish to learn to juggle or wish
		to learn more about it.
	2) To provide an atmosphere where jugglers can find other jugglers
		to both juggle with and learn from.
	3) To become an IJA club (if that is possible) and offer all
		IJA benefits to the members.
	4) To possibly take a few trips to juggling fests around the area
		(Bloomington isn't THAT far away)

	As I said, any suggestions, deep thoughts on the matter, wise words
of experience, tales of doom, or any hallucinations are welcome.  I expect
not everyone on the net will be interested in reading comments so feel free
to email responses: jhk1@cec1.wustl.edu.
	Thank you in advance for all your help.
	--- Jon Krivitzky
.


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From: guardian@netcom.com (Andrew Denton)
Subject: dan menendez
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:34:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

        Alright, At this time Ide like to add my 2 cents about dan.
A: He is one of my best friends, Lives about a half a mile from me,
   and is by far an incredably technical juggler...
B: Yes, it is true, there is a programed Sequencer that Dan can flip
   a switch and the tune changes.. <its a floor switch>
C: Technique? Well to fight for Dans side, jugglers have been using
   torches, bowlingballs, chainsaws and the like for years, JUST to
   get the audiances aproval and attention, since we, the TV generaton
   have been flooded with violence and sex, we've lost site of skill.
   SKILL? If you can go from a standing juggle to a kneeling juggle while
   bouncing 5 balls AND keeping tempo while doing so, I guess you have
   NO skill whats soever B)
D: The Larch.
E: Dan cant answer right now, he is WORKING all this month all over the
   place, and wont be back till october... EI: Dan right now is makeing
   a happy monitary income on a GREAT idea that right now other jugglers
   like wally dickwood.. err.. eastwood TRY to copy....   
D: It might annoy some people that the trick is partial trickery, BUT
   Im sure this person also belives the chainsaws are real, the knives
   are razor sharp and all the bowlingballs are always standard 12 pounds..
 
                                          PS: Dan and I are STILL batteling
                                           it out as to who can juggler 5 clubs
                                             longer.... and i shall destroy him!
    
                                          Andrew Denton

-- 
Blah blah blah... Teleblah...

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From: singley@helix.nih.gov (Erick Singley)
Subject: Re: Cheap beanbags
Organization: (National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:26:45 GMT

Well, we hack open tennis balls, fill 'em and then seal them with the clear
silicone bath-tub caulk. It stretches, doesn't crack and gums up the
slit without getting everything really sticky.

Another trick (which I was told that works well to jazz up those Lacross balls)
may be to take large round baloons, cut off the neck and stretch them over
the ball.  One ballon for each side (since only one will leave a spot uncovered
on the ball) of the ball.  Easy to take on and off when the get dirty or
you want another color.  That might seal up the slit and prevent the rice
or sand or whatever from leaking out.

Erick
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From: paraffa@sunvis2.vislab.olemiss.edu (Carl Raffa)
Subject: tennis balls
Organization: Mississippi Center for Supercomputing Research
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:56:15 GMT


if you want a good source for used tennis balls, try going to the
local tennis courts and searching around in trees/bushes/whatever.
i would advise not going when people are playing because they
always seem to give nasty looks.
if the balls are dirty, just throw them in the washing machine with
some soap.  i have a huge collection of tennis balls that i acquired
this way (now, if i can only learn to juggle them all....)

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From: ragatzs@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (steven ragatz)
Subject: All is quite on the Indiana front
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:16:11 GMT

	I sit gently tickling the keys, in the quite solitude of the wee
hours. I finally take a relaxing breath and reminisce about the
week-endUs events.  A sip from a warm coke and I lean back.  I once
again stare at the banana yellow trophy as it sits atop my bookshelf.  A
token of victory and defeat.  A reminder of the loved ones that were
left behind. A symbol of families torn and dreams shattered. My mind
wanders back to a battle field in Northern Indiana.  I remember a time
when a motley handful of RcuttersS made their way into an arena of death
to face the ruthlessness of the Purdue jugglerUs combat squad. 
	
	I reach for a small book in the back of a dusty drawer.  ItUs
touch like that of an old friend.  The binding broken and cracked.  My
breath shortens as I read from those hand scrawled pages once again...

September 5, 1992

	The battle was fierce.  Cries and screams echoed through noble
armory halls.  It was a time of desperation.  Women fought along side
men.  Social class, race, religion - all became equal.  On the field of
combat only one thing mattered to those poor lost souls - THE
FOAMIN' BUCKET.  

	But when the dust settled and the smoke cleared, one lone figure
emerged.  His build was frail and slight.  His clothes were tattered and
stained with dried blood.  One arm was misfigured and twisted around his
head.  His hand clenched as a vice.  Clenched in rage and defiance.
Clenched for family and country.  Clenched around... THE FOAMINU BUCKET.

	The unknown warrior staggered to the side lines.  The crowd
stood frozen in time.  No one would help the contorted soldier.  The
weary figure approached the crowd. Children were whisked away by
parents. Those faint of heart with turned heads cowered in confusion.
Dried tears stained aged faces.

	One little girl looked up.  He was standing over her.  As
straight and tall as his battered 5'6" frame would hold him.  The sunset
peaking over his left shoulder cutting through the fog of war.  There on
his collar, embossed in red and white thread was the insignia he
carried.  The emblem that had driven him and his to such extremes.  Two
letters that cried out into the night for peace.  An icon of freedom.
The two letters -- I.U.

I wipe a tear from my eye.  The memory is as fresh as if it was the day
before yesterday.  The remainder of my squad had returned to
Bloomington. Lisa, Fritz, Steve, Ben and I hold victory in our battle
torn hands.  Holding tightly.  Clinging wearily - defiantly.  Victory.
Victory.  Victory...



Until next year...

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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: How can I find the FKBs?
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 11:33:30 EST

In article <92252.214821BEF104@psuvm.psu.edu>
BEF104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
 
>If there anyone out there who knows how I can get in touch with the Flying
>Karamazov Brothers, please send me an E-mail.  Our club would like to have
>them do a show at Penn State, some time in the Spring during our 7th annual
>Juggling Festival.  Thanks in advance--help is muchly appreciated.
>
>Brian Fox BEF104@psuvm.psu.edu President, Penn State Juggling Club
 
Check in the archives from the JUGGLING/LISTSERV days stored @ MooCow...
 
I remember posting it once back then when I found it in a program from
the show they did @ Purdue two years ago.  I probably still have a
program buried somewhere @ home, but searching electronically would
be considerably faster...
From: bs26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Benjamin Rudd Schoenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Dan Menendez
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:24:54 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.juggling: 10-Sep-92 Re: Dan Menendez by Jack
Boyce@physics.Berke 
> Speaking of this routine, I've always wondered.  Is he actually
> *aiming* to hit the right keys, or is the thing programmed to play
> the correct sequence when he "bounces" out the rhythm?  I find it hard
> to believe that anyone could aim well enough with 5 balls to actually
> hit the right keys (and never accidentally hit 2 keys at once).
> Anybody ever watch it in slow motion, to see what's going on?  Just
> wondering...
>  
> Jack
> jboyce@physics.berkeley.edu

The first time I saw this routine on tape (from the Tonight Show) I
watched it four or five times, asking myself the same question.  Under
any scrutiny, it's obvious that the keyboard is programmed to "sequence"
the song and play the next note each time any key is struck.  I don't
want to take anything away from Menendez, because he's a good showman
and an excellent juggler, but it does annoy me that things are not as he
presents them to be.  It is a good booster for juggling though, because
a lot of people seem to remember this routine.

If you see the Flying Ks, look for Fyodor (Timothy Furst) in the finale
who *does* force bounce three balls off a keyboard (wrong notes
included!).

-Ben
From: rick@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Fredrick Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: dan menendez
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:43:44 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <cxvnryl.guardian@netcom.com> guardian@netcom.com (Andrew Denton) writes:
>D: It might annoy some people that the trick is partial trickery, BUT
>   Im sure this person also belives the chainsaws are real, the knives
>   are razor sharp and all the bowlingballs are always standard 12 pounds..
> 

Two nits to pick:

There was a notice in JW a year or so ago about someone who was injured
badly by his REAL chainsaws.

I put a hole in the wall off my house while juggling standard *16 pound*
bowling balls. (12 pound balls don't carry the 5-pin very well.)


      Rick   Wilson             Rick Wilson       Cross-eyed STEREO
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     |              |         |              |    Tektronix
     \    _     O   |         |\    _  O     |    Beaverton, Orygun
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From: me@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Martin Frost)
Subject: Re: what's the name of that pattern...
Reply-To: me@CS.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:18:12

It's called a 1-count, because you're passing on every count (both hands).
It's also known as ultimates, a thundershower, and a few other names.
--
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Martin Frost		Computer Science Department, Computer Facilities
Systems Programmer	Stanford University, Stanford, CA  94305-2140
me@CS.Stanford.EDU	(or decwrl!labrea!me or mfrost@stanford.bitnet)
From: rob@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Beard brand clubs--opinions wanted
Date: 14 Sep 92 10:21:18 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I have just reteurned from the Kit Summers workshop in Bristol England (hi
to anyone else there who has net access or friends of if they attended)
where there were many good jugglers of clubs and they used a range of clubs
maybe I could comment on this ...

: >>OK, there's this guy, see, who has these clubs.  He says they are made by
: >>"Beard", from the UK.  They are truly beautiful, the softest, nicest handles
: >>I have ever, erm, handled.  I'd never heard of Beard before.  Does anyone kn

There is a beard practice delux, brigght cloured bodies, bit heavt not great
balence I thought, big knobs but the handles ... they are really soft
they have some form f liquid in them which cushion the hand really nicely
and makes them nice if a little different to cathc. And heres the catch ..
it leaks out of its container and discolours the handle. Guy who had these
was on his second set and they were leaking. (doesnt come out onto hand it
remains inside the club)


Thomasl said something about not using americans but the majority club there
was the Todd Smith Classic American the big white slow jobby. Two guys
Johnathon and Rodney passed these, (they did 8 clubs single spins, 9 clubs
and 10 clubs on triples). many people there did 5 with these things
which to a mortal like me who cant do 5 balls was pretty damm impressive,
espically when they are only about 16 and put tricks into their 5 clubs
pattern.


I played with the dube performance which i like alot but heard really bad
things about for durablility, basically they break if you drop more than
a triple onto hard deck, and reliably so. Appraantly there appears to be a
height threshold which these clubs cannot exceed. Shame elegant club i 
thought ....

Personally all the peeps  ijug with use spotlights which are heavier
but nice to pass outside and can stand alot of abuse (in my experience)
I eould have thought them the most popular club in the UK.

Other clubs were the Henry's especially the circus trainer, nice club
and some more budgety stuff.

Rob.
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From: jsanders@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (John Eric Sanders)
Subject: Re: what's the name of that pattern...
Organization: Math Dept., University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:23:28 GMT

In article <cloister.716087670@milton> cloister@milton.u.washington.edu (cloister bell) writes:
>it's the two-person pattern where *every* throw, left and right hands, is a
>pass straight across to your partner, such that your right hand and his/her
>left hand are cascading the three clubs (albeit in sort of an odd manner) and
>the same thing is happening in your left hand and his/her right.  the clubs
>never switch sides, so you have two independant cascades going between your
>pairs of hands.  
>anyway, someone *must* have thought of this before, and it *must* have a nname,
>so what is it?
>
>-- 
>+-------------------------------------------------+---------------------------+
>|tactical nuclear sdi stealth nsafood signature.  | cloister@u.washington.edu |
>+-------------------------------------------------+---------------------------+

I've heard of this referred to as a "Thunder Shower," an extension of
"showering" in which every toss from the right hand is a pass.

-- 
 The Jester (John E. Sanders)       jsanders@symcom.math.uiuc.edu       
 I have finally discovered the method to my madness.  Unfortunately,    
 there is more madness to my method than method to my madness.
From: rick@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Fredrick Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Cheap beanbags
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:02:26 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <==!z##c@rpi.edu> burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt) writes:
>
>This is an interesting idea!  I have done the same thing with tenis
>balls.  I haven't figured out how to seal them up again though (the
>rice occasionaly spills out a little).  

After filling the tennis ball I top it off with silicon glue, RTV, caulk,
whatever you want to call it.  Squirt the glue in until you can't get
any more in.  Press the whole shut.  Wipe off the excess.


      Rick   Wilson             Rick Wilson       Cross-eyed STEREO
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     \    _     O   |         |\    _  O     |    Beaverton, Orygun
     |\  /      _   |         | \  /   _     |
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From: barnhart@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Deron W. Barnhart)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Dan Menendez
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:22:13 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Wow!  I just saw Dan Menendez on the Mickey Mouse Club!  That was a
good show.  Juggling does get some good exposure from the media at
times, and this was good.  His juggling piano routine really stunned
the kids there.  And he was the "finale" for the show.

Dan, do you have someone off-stage changing the keyboard setup
during your act?

I love that line, Dan, "See ya real soon!"  That killed me!
(I really did like that part too!)

Dan Johnson
From: jboyce@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Jack Boyce)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Dan Menendez
Date: 10 Sep 1992 18:14:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep10.042213.23118@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> barnhart@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Deron W. Barnhart) writes:
>Wow!  I just saw Dan Menendez on the Mickey Mouse Club!  That was a
>good show.  Juggling does get some good exposure from the media at
>times, and this was good.  His juggling piano routine really stunned
>the kids there.  And he was the "finale" for the show.
>

Speaking of this routine, I've always wondered.  Is he actually
*aiming* to hit the right keys, or is the thing programmed to play
the correct sequence when he "bounces" out the rhythm?  I find it hard
to believe that anyone could aim well enough with 5 balls to actually
hit the right keys (and never accidentally hit 2 keys at once).
Anybody ever watch it in slow motion, to see what's going on?  Just
wondering...

Jack
jboyce@physics.berkeley.edu
From: miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu (PHILLIP_SANMIGUEL)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: How to run a Juggling Club (what they tell me)
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:15:54 GMT
Reply-To: miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University AIDS Center

In article <1992Sep9.222813.2774@wuecl.wustl.edu>, jhk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky) writes:
>
>
>
>	Hello again.  About a week ago I made a post concerning the
				.
				.
				.
>        Meetings should attempt to involve every single  member who attends
>the meeting.  This includes the serious jugglers who only need a few hours and
>a high ceiling, but more importantly, the non-experienced jugglers who wish
>to learn.  The latter is the most important for gathering and keeping new
>members.  To teach new members, people must be willing (probably the officers)
>to teach the "newbies" how to get started.  If you can get a new person
>excited about juggling, you've got them hooked.


  Well maybe.  In my experience with the Purdue Juggling Club I've still 
never seen (or maybe only once) someone learn to juggle at the club AND 
THEN continue on to become a steady member (say, one that eventually holds 
office in the club and/or does shows).  The vast majority of people who 
become steady members already juggle 3 balls, usually with a solid pattern 
-- maybe they know some tricks.  From this point it's easy to teach them 
clubs, and from there they can go onto passing.  
  I've talked to some of the people who initially were very excited about 
juggling but didn't stick it out.  All of them cited intimidation as the 
reason they stopped showing up.  It seems that if one is learning 3 balls, 
being surrounded by a hoard of accomplished jugglers is a negative.
  Let's face it, after the first 10-30 minutes of teaching someone to 
juggle there is little or nothing one can do to help them until (hours or 
days of intense practice later) they are ready to learn tricks.  It's 
during this lonely segment that I see a 100% "drop-out" rate.
  I've got ideas on how to surmount this problem, but as I've never 
implemented them -- I won't go into them.
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Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: "corn bear (Friedeman,Richard F)" <FRIEDEMA@AC.GRIN.EDU>
Subject: wat is the name of the pattern
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 10:02:49 cdt

the passing pattern where every throw(right and left) is a pass straight 
across to your partner is called ultimates.  it is also called 
thundershowers.

rich
FRIEDEMA@AC.GRIN.EDU