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From: chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.india,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Model United Nations Conference in the Czech Republic
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:46:38 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

(If possible, please print out and post for people who might be
interested)

To all those interested in international relations, politics, and the
United Nations -- WorldMUN is a great forum for the discussion of 
current issues being debated by the United Nations today: 

Harvard World Model United Nations (WorldMUN) is an international
conference that brings together university students and young
professionals from around the globe to siimulate the workings of the
United Nations.  The second annual WorldMUN conference will be held from
March 28, 1993, through March 31, 1993, at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
The Czech Republic.  

Ten committees, representing the General Assembly, Economic and Social
Council, and Specialized Agencies of the United Nations, will discuss
issues from the actual UN agenda.  In addition to the formal debate of
resolutions, committee sessions will be augmented by presentations from
politicians, businessmen, scholars, and activists who have helped shape
the dramatic world events of recent years.

In this era of momentous political change, WorldMUN seeks to assess the
role of the United Nations in a new world order.  WorldMUN marks the first
truly international simulated United Nations where participants play the
roles of their own nation's ambassadors.  WorldMUN strives to teach
tomorrow's leaders about the United Nations and its methods of conflict
resolution.  It aims to foster skills in negotiation and debate, in order
that delegates may formulate resolutions on topics currently discussed in
the real United Nations.  These resolutions will be sent to the actual
United Nations committees.

WorldMUN 1993 will take place at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
The Czech Republic.  The Hotel Diplomat is Prague's most modern conference
center.  Prague is both one of the most beautiful metropoles of Europe and
an ideal location for debating current world politics and the changing
role of the United Nations.

The Hotel diplomat is a luxury resort that offers restaurants, shops, a
night club, and fitness and spa equipment.  Delegates will stay at the
Hotel Diplomat for the reduced rate of 130DM/day double occupancy, which
includes two meals a day.

Delegate registration is $US60 per delegate.  For more information, please
reply to this e-mail address or write/fax:
Joshua A. Salomon, Secretary-General
Harvard World Model United Nations 1993
Suite 23, 1430 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02138-3810
UNITED STATES

Telephone:  001-617-493-6995
Fax:  001-617-493-6995

James Chao
chao6@husc.harvard.edu
From: banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Sthan's pique
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:34:29 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@launchpad.unc.edu croaks:

Sthan returns to the flaming business after letting his imagination
circumnavigate the globe from his launchpad account. Welcome back anyway 
and hope you dont chicken out, like you did last time.

>>1. Samit Banerjee    2. Ed Crick   3. Sreehari Nimmala  4. Deb Chatterjee
>>5. Mustafa Ibrahim   6. An elusive MSA net   7. Deepak Bose
>>8. The Wimpy Finn who runs the anonymous service
>>9. The lady from KSU who forgot to log out and from whose account certain 

>How many of these people are real ? 

I dont see your legendary virility mentioned above. That to me, would be the
only fictitious object, other than of course your intelligence, which comes 
in a close second.

>I happen to know for a fact that at least one of those is a hoax
>of the proportions of Ram Lakhan if not worse ? So, how about
>less grandiloquence and hypocrisy or is it too much to expect ?

Chicanery thy name is Sthan. What's with the moralistic posturing,
Mr.Hyperinflated Ego ? Are you complaining that your supposedly great
analytical abilities were not able to seperate fact from fiction and 
that you were taken for a ride or do the flames from last summer
still ranckle?


>Disgusted,---------------> Demented would have been better suited
>Sthan.
>

>[Hypocritical ravings deleted, except]

Tch, tch.....little doggie, never disobey your master's commands. 


std. disclaimer  I hope this does not violate Mr.Asthana's code of ethics.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:54:23 EST
From: <DXA4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: High Court interprets secularism

HIGH COURT'S UNIQUE INTERPRETATION OF SECULARISM

Source: Times of India, January 11, 1993

New Delhi: Within three weeks of the demolition of over four centuries-old
Babari mosque, and the subsequent installation of Lord Ram's idol at the site
of disputed, but demolished structure at Ayodhya, the Allahabad High Court, on
New Year Day, delivered a detailed judgement, giving its own interpretation
of secularism, and allowed prayers and darshan at the makeshift temple.

   The high court (Lucknow bench) judges, Mr N.H. Tilhari and Mr A.N. Gupta,
while disposing off the petition by the Vishwa Hindu Adhivakta Sangh for
offering prayers at the temple drew strength from the original Constitution
depicting the sketches of Hindu gods such as Lord Ram, Shiva and Lord Krishna.
They also noted that other sketches depicting various periods were also incor-
porated in the original Constitution adopted by the Constituent assembly on
November 26, 1949.

  'CONSTITUTIONAL ENTITY': They said, by virtue of the sketch of Lord Ram in
the original Constitution adopted over 43 years ago, the Lord became a 'consti-
tutional entity and admittedly, a reality of our national culture and fabric
and not a myth". Lord Ram, and others whose sketches figure on the margins of
the Constitution pages have been accepted by the Constituent assembly as
national figures and figures of national cultural heritage and adoration, the
63-page verdict added.

   Interpreting the Constituent Assembly's decision to include the sketches
and illustrations depicting different periods of the national history in the
Constitution, the high court said the founding fathers of the Constitution
themselves chose to give a secular Constitution on the basis of such sketches
and illustrations. The judges rejected the western concept of secularism and
pointed out that the Hindi version of secularism meant "Panth nirpeksh" or
"nonsectarian and non communal secularism."

  LAWYERS RIGHT: Although the dispute on the existence of a temple was still
pending in the court and a Presidential reference has now been made to the
Supreme COurt on the issue, the high court, on January 1 itself, declared that
the Vish Hindu Adhivakta Sangh had the locus standi to contest for prayers at
the temple.

   Again, the high court sought more strength from the original Constitution.
The framers of the Constitution treated Lord Ram as "great national figure" of
the country.
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From: esriniv@eos.ncsu.edu (EASWAR  SRINIVASAN)
Subject: info needed on admission/ financial aid in software engg
Originator: esriniv@c00520-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: esriniv@eos.ncsu.edu (EASWAR  SRINIVASAN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:09:48 GMT
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Followup-To: 
From: esriniv@eos.ncsu.edu (EASWAR  SRINIVASAN)
Reply-To: esriniv@eos.ncsu.edu (EASWAR  SRINIVASAN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Subject:info on software engg/information systems 
Keywords: 

Hi,
   I would like to have information regarding the graduate programs in software
engineering and information systems at your schools. This information is for my
cousin who will be graduating from BITS. I would like to get information on
financial assistance and admission procedures. I would like to thank all the
contributors in advance.
                               Thanks
                               Easwar

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From: ssd@eos.ncsu.edu (Srikant Sridevan)
Subject: Re: RSS, BABRI MASJID AND THE NAZIS
Originator: ssd@vayu.psrc.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: ssd@eos.ncsu.edu (Srikant Sridevan)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:21:02 GMT


In article <f4j3-qg@rpi.edu>, divaka@jacob.its.rpi.edu (Ajay Divakaran) writes:

> In article <C15or1.92y@cs.psu.edu>, narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram
> T Narayana) writes:

> |> This guy pramanath sastry, Sanjeev Mahajan, Chukka Srinivas, Bhudiraju
> |> belong to the same category of people. Remember the great peoples
> war group
> |> terrorist trench follower Sanjeev Mahajan, and how he felt drinking
> bottles
> |> of shame manufactured in Columbus Ohio.
> |> 
> |> ...kt
> Anyone who has read postings from the individuals listed above would
> know how ridiculous the above categorization is. I have to admit that
> I detested Sanjeev Mahajan's brand of cacophonous anti-Hindu
> pontification. But
> I have not seen any anti-Hindu stuff from Pramath or Chukka or
> Budaraju,
> unless of course refusing to abuse non-Hindus makes you anti-Hindu.
> I guess I have just added myself to the above list. I think the only
> criterion for inclusion in Kuram T. Narayana garu's list of bete
> noires
> is disagreement with his unique perspective on life, love and
> religion.

And mother-tongues. Please do not exclude us cannibal Tamils from his
exclusive list. ;-)

>                                                      ajay
> 

Srikant
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From: sanjiv@redbird.umsl.edu (Sanjiv K. Bhatia)
Subject: Re: Call 1-800-766-1818 for Indian Music Cd's& Read This !
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In soc.culture.indian you write:

> [ ... ]

> I agree with you. I asked the guy for the address and he wouldn't give it
> to me. I also asked for the brochures so I know what kind of stuff they
> have, and the guy said he will mail it to me. Well it has been a week and
> a half and still no info. 

> I guess we desis don't know how to do business. Columbia House offers 8 free
> CD's when you sign up and this place doesn't even send information. Plus
> the CH's brochures and catalogs are free. 

I was about to order a few CDs from this guy.  Does anyone have positive
experiences with him?  His rates seem to be reasonable but reading the posts, I
am having second thoughts.

Sanjiv
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From: godura@mercury.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: Hindu Fundamentalism, Opportunism Fed Bombay Riots, Martial Law.
Keywords: Bombay Riots
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:27:27 GMT

In article <1j9lpgINNaad@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu) writes:
>In article <1j9hc7INNomr@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:
>>In the AP report posted by Bala, this stands out.
>>...
>>
>>>	   Navalkar, the Shiv Shena leader, admitted that ``this riot got
>>>out of control.'' But he added: ``We will do it again if we have
>>>to.''
>>
>>A month back, I berated someone for comparing the BJP to Nazis, saying that
>>that diminished the tragedy of the Holocaust. I still maintain that that is 
>>true. However, anyone who thinks that the Shiv Sena are anything but neo-Nazis
>>out to "ethnically cleanse" India of Muslims needs help.
>>
>>The Shiv Sena must be stamped out with an iron heel, like a bug. Wiped out,
>>by the introduction of martial law if necessary.
>
>
>You are suggesting a very dangerous phenomenon here.  We have to remember
>that if Martial Law, or Military Rule is introduced in India,  then we'll
>have to deal with an unknown evil. We have to keep one thing in mind. The
>Army and other Armed Forces, are made up of human beings, who are equally
>susceptible to the failings, of other humans. Getting them to rule India,
>is needlessly politicizing them, and that would blunt their cutting edge.
>We would have the same situation as in Pakistan where each session of the
>military dictatorship further diverted the Army from its goals.
>
>
>>
>>-- 
>>Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu
>
>Regards,
>Vivek.
>
>-- 
Srinivas may have a point there. Seriously, I wonder how things could be
worse under emergency, a la Indira Gandhi's, than they are today ?
From what I gather from my parents and other older people I spoke to,
the emergency period was one when trains ran on time, govt offices
functioned, and there were no strikes.
Yes I know about Sanjay Gandhi, etc., but was that worse than 1500
people killed in a month or than the dozens that die daily in Punjab and
HAryana ?
Freedom and democracy are all right, but these criteria of development
are a little watered down when compared to provision of food and shelter
to the population, security of life and property, and, furthering of the
nation's economic interests.
Think of a benign dictatorship running India .. no riots, no labour
unrest .. labour laws changed .. no disputes over masjids and temples ..
all energies diverted toward economic development..
Ruchir.

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In soc.culture.indian, godura@oin.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura) writes:

> Can anyone explain the reason behind having 4 wires going into the
> telephones, from basically 2 conductor telephone lines ?
> 
> Ruchir.
>

For the phones that support 2-lines .


Sandeep
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Vedic School: Arsha Vidya Gurukulum
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:04:38 GMT


                     Arsha Vidya Gurukulum

Arsha Vidya gurukulum is a vedic school organized by swamy
Dayananda with resident students who learn Vedanta. The
gurukulum is located in Saylersberg, Pennsylvania in 
a queit complex with its own set of cottages, a small
temple for DakshiNa Murthy, and several lecture halls for
public. Vedic Acharyas from India regularly visit the school
to conduct lectures on scpeici topics of Vedanta to the students.
Swamy Nityaananda from Banares is currently visiting the Arsha vidya 
gurukulum. The school's main emphasis is on Advaita siddaanta and
concetrates on the Upanishadic teachings and aspects from Patanjalis
Yoga discipline. The later is to introduce the students to meditational
components of vedanta. The school does not deal with Purva Mimasa
aspects, and thus very little of Brahmanaas are studied.

The gurukulum is a non-profit organuization trying to bring Vedic
culture to the resident indians. The gurukulum conducts regular
family camps and childrens camps. They also provide postal
instruction in Sanskrit.

I visited the gurukulum lasrt Monday. I found its environs serene
and extremely nice for a study of vedanta. They have a kitchen
and as their guest you can have free lunch in their kitchen. 
There are some students learning vedanta. They are planning
to conduct a six month resident course on components of
Upanishad some itme this year. There are several cottages
in which guests may be housed when there are camps.

It is a nice place to visit over a week end. I would advice that
you stay the evening  there. The Teacher conducts his classes to
the students, and the public can sit in those classes.

Route:

Take I-80 to StoudsBerg. Take Rt-33 south. Drive for 15 miles
to reach the exit for Saylersberg. Take the exit. At the
exit ramp you will see a sign "Arsha Vidya Gurukulum". Take
left at the exit lamp. To your right immediately you will
have the entrance for Arsha Vidya Gurukulum.


...kt
From: brao@pollux.usc.edu (Bapa Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: On "Secularism and Science" by T. Jayaraman
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:19:21 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Here are some comments on Prof. Jayaraman's article:

His main thesis is that nationalistic chauvinism in the polity interferes
destructively with the laying of a strong foundation in science. He holds
that if Hindu chauvinists like the BJP et al come to power in India, there
will be greater mediocrity in scientific education of the masses. 

The case is  a plausible one. Most of us have encountered worthies 
expounding earnestly about atom bombs and rockets in the Vedas and so on. 
It is usually safe to say that these exponents have studied neither the Vedas
nor atom bombs and rockets. So, it seems intuitively clear that overzealous
chauvinism, along with mediocre education, will seriously affect 
rational thinking. And certainly, Hindu chauvinists such as the 
venerable P.N. Oak have displayed bizarrely original interpretations of
scientific methodology in their analyses. 

However, there are several weaknesses in the case presented by the author
for this thesis. Arun Achyutan has pointed out some of them. I shall list
a few more below. Individually,  these weaknesses may not amount to more
than quibbles; but cumulatively, they make a serious dent in the case. 
Applying strict evidentiary standards, it is my feeling that the thesis
has not been demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt.  On the other hand,
life and the course of nations don't follow the same strict standard; and
I share the author's fears about the future of Indian science, as I believe
that the rise of Hindu chauvinism would deepen the turmoil in the country,
and science needs tranquility. 

Here are some of the problems I found with the article:

1. Religious or national chauvinism is not the only factor inhibiting
   the scientific spirit. For example, the pseudo-science of Lysenkoism
   flourished in the USSR under Stalin, a fact omitted by the author
   when lauding the progress of science under the soviets.

2. No convincing case is made that purging of Jewish scientists led to
  a qualititative decline in Nazi science; rocketry did flourish under
  the Nazis for example. 

3. Similarly, no attempt is made to show that a BJP government will be
   necessarily more inmical to mass propagation of scientific education
   than the present governmentt is.  Scientific education among the
   masses is virtually negligible today; even at the elite levels, 
   the socialistic, secular scientific establishment, in the form of
    CSIR et al, has produced at best mediocre return on investment. 

4. It is not clear that immoral behavior necessarily inhibits scientific
   work in individuals, or even at the level of institutions. For example,
   the barbarous human experiments in Nazi concentration camps are said
   to have yielded sound scientific results.

Bapa Rao


My personal views.
From: bkannan@ho10.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Dr. Jayaraman's article
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:41:59 -0600
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  Kevin,

  My point is not how 'ignoble' science was under Nazi Germany.
  Just that it is not right to say Nazis dealt a blow to science in the
  sense that they were anti-science. This is the distinction I want to 
  stress and maybe I didn't convey what I intended to rightly.
  J somehow pushes the line that BJP is anti-science and its rule will
  breed blind faith and superstition from a few instances of 'Hindutva
  pride' which I agree *is* truly misplaced [from a scientific viewpoint].

  Thanks for your reference however :-)

  regards,
  bk 
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From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Re: ********SALMAN RUSHDIE************
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:32:16 GMT
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In article <1993Jan26.025731.9680@fuug.fi> an5584@anon.penet.fi (Salman Rushdie) writes:
   Hip Hip Hurry!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure Mr. Rushdie spells a little better than demonstrated above.
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From: rajiv@me.uta.edu (Rajiv Chakravarti)
Subject: Re: SHER TIME.
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:51:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.092344.14358@umiami.ir.miami.edu> hwhfac@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:




   SOHBAT MEIN GEER KE NA PADI HO YE KHOO,

   DENE LAGE HAI BOSE, BAGAIR ILTEJA KIYE.



   ZID KI HAI AUR BAAT, MAGAR WOH BURI NAHEEN,

   BHOOLE SE USNE SAIKADON WAADE VAFA KIYE.



   WAHEED.


--------------------------------------------

	I would like it if you could include the name of the poet along
with the quote.......

	The above two she'rs are by Ghalib ........

Regards
Ek maddah-e-Ghalib

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University of Texas at Arlington

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