From: timelord@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey JACOBS)
Subject: Re: Mystery of Guinan revealed!!!!!
Summary: Actually, she's not the Doctor. . .
Organization: The Query Master Syndicate.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:00:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.193027.5995@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070p6nd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos) writes:
>In article <domalley.703268544@unix1.tcd.ie>, domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley)) writes...
>>In <1992Apr13.213337.12375@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow) writes:

For more on Gallifreyan sex changes, consult The Dark Scrolls of Rassilon,
Part 2: Omega.

>>>Still, the parallels between Dr. Who and ST are interesting, as
>>>someone pointed out in another post.  The Borg could be the result
>>>of an attempt to create Daleks out of Cybermen.
>> 
>>Not really, they basically _are_ the equivalents of the Cybermen.
>>The Borg do not contain any similar traits to the Daleks, i.e.,
>>ruthlessness, cunning, etc, whereas they are very similar to the
>>Cybermen (or at least the original conception of the Cybermen), i.e.,
>>totally emotionless cyborgs.

My theory on the Borg, are that they are an off shoot of the Cybermen,
from during their Cyber-evolution.  I would place them as either a
breakaway group from soon after Mondas Left Earth's orbit and became
cyber-sized, or as the last survivers of the Mondasian disaster, which
forced the remaining factions to build "The (Rubic's) Cube."

>> 
>>As has been pointed out before, attempts to reconcile the universes
>>of ST and DW, while interesting, are ultimately pointless.
>>The problem is that both series take radically different views of the
>>universe. (Including the possibility of time travel, interfering with
>>alien cultures, the ratio of hostile species to non-hostile species,
>>among other things.)
>>(Not to mention the fact that if anyone tried to unite DW and ST on
>>screen, it would have Gene Roddenberry spinning in his grave :-)

Sorry Gene, but there's more. . .
>> 
>>So give it up, OK?

FAT CHANCE!

>Maybe Guinan isn't 'the Doctor' but another Time Lord...
>
>Makes ya wonder.

Do you really want to know who Guinan is?

You asked for it!

First of all, I heard somewhere on this net long ago a theory that Guanan was
none other than the Doctor's (? = `Esqi Felat` - Galf. He, who knows./Learned
one.  N.B. Esqi is the squigle actually in the shape of a sideways "u", and
means knoledge, ., or felat makes the idea of knoledge into an adjective
describing any live sentient.  Intresting coincidence that this
phonetic-ideogram, such is the basis of the Gallifreyan language, much
resembles the terran question mark.) grandaughter, Susan.  Based on this,
here is my Guinan theory:

The Doctor's Grandaughter was born Guinan.  After fleeing Gallifrey (An
Unearthly Child), the Doctor and Guinan changed their names so as not to
arouse suspition.  (Doctor was chosen as "Learned one" sounded to
pretentious.)  Soon after the Dalek Invasion of Earth in 2164, Susan maried
David Campbell, and they returned to his family's farm south of Versaille,
in France.  Susan and David soon became heros of the restored Earth.  They
were instrumental in the consolidation of Earth's colonies and
extra-terrestial alies in The United Federation of Planets, in order to
safe-guard Earth, or any other planet from invasion such as Earth had
suffered.  An agressive exploration of the galaxy was mounted which
eventually lead to further war with the Romulan Empire.  Meanwhile on Earth,
Susan gave birth to a son, Bertrand.  Gilliam Campbell, David's brother,
was a Captain in the first Romulan-Federation conflict, and after the war,
he returned to Earth to help on the farm with his brother, David.  Together
they lived for 2 years until disaster struck.  David and Susan had decided
to look into the idea of pioneer-colonisation.  After examening many
documents on planets from Androzani Major to the Eye of Orion, they decide
to voyage to a planet on the far reaches of known space: Ganadium IV.  They
borded a craft, leaving Bertrand behind with Gilliam, believing that they
would return soon, and that the journey would be to hecktic for a child.  Two
weeks later, Gilliam recieved the news that their ship, the USS
Constitution, had been lost with all hands, mysteriously.  In truth, during
the voyage, the ship was intercepted by am member of the Eternal-Continuum,
also known as the Q (as the letter Q is a circle, or an infinite loop, but
with a link to reality, represented by the hash-mark.), going by the
nom-de-pleum of Captain Wrack.  This Q was extreamly mischiefous and was
looking for revenge after his/her defeat at the hands of the Doctor for
Enlightenment, however at this point the creature had adoped a form very
similar to the 20th century Earth actor, John DeLancie.  Wrack tormented the
ships crew.  But when he found out the Doctor's Granddaughter was on board,
he focused his attention on her.  Finally, as his revenge, he distroyed the
ship.  Everyone died, except for Susan/Guinan who promptly regenerated and
used her Time Lord abilities to preserve herself in an escape pod in which
the oxygen resusitator had been damaged.  To add to the despair of watching
her beloved husband sufficate before her eyes, Wrack forced Guinan never to
return to Earth to see her child, Bertrand, if she wanted her son to be
spared by Q.  Twenty years passed and Guinan's pod was intercepted by the
VanHadi, a race of dark-skined people who's population had been decimated by
the Borg (The ultimate evolution of the Mondasian Cyberman after their planet
had been destroyed.  The transition was rapid as the Mondasian Cybermen were
relitively humanoid to begin with.)  The VanHadi resusitated Guinan who in
return helped the population rebuild their planet, Vanus.  Guinan became a
prominant citizen of Vanus, and when a radiation leak forced her to
regenerate a second time, she adopted the dark skin tone of the VanHadi,
much resembling a younger version of the American actress/comedienne Whopi
Goldberg.  She married again many times, always outliving her husbands.
Eventually, Guinan heard news of her Great Great Great Great Great Great
Grandson, who had become captain of the Federation spaceship NCC-1701D, USS
Enterprise.  She left Vanus to join starfleet to be re-united with her
family.  In one years time she became a bartender and joined the
Enterprise-D on stardate 41983.7, although she never let Captain Jean-Luc
Picard know of their mysterious relationship.  The rest is history.


Q:Mais David n'etait pas francais!
A:Meme pas Picard, je crois!
   And anyway, David COULD have been French.

(GEEZE is my E-mail-box gonna be stuffed with flames tomarrow!!!)

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