HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: 'Greece Is Black Sheep Of EC,' New York Times Says.
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:55:50 GMT





<BtMJqC.7A4@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

>>Then we noticed the 'tamtam.' There's a little pronged fork sticking up 
>>at the end of his abdomen.

> Very typical Master Untrue Totally Lying Unit(s) answer.  When he has
> nothing to say, he replies with an offense.

Ever seen a 'tamtam?' You know, those centipedelike things with wooden
'palikaryas' in rows. They're sold mostly in 'yunan' import shops, for
wall decoration. 

>>But day to day, socially, economically, mentally, how European
>>are you?

> About 1,000,000,000,000,000 more European than Turks who want to be
> a part of a unified Europe.

But someone has a recurring fantasy that sees 'tamtam' through.

  "Greece is Black Sheep of EC," New York Times Says

       "It was a mistake to invite Greece"

In a tone of condemnation rarely employed for reports
on Greece in the American press, a New York Times
Service story published in The Miami Herald on April 11
claimed that Greece was looked upon as the 'black sheep'
of the European Community (EC) and that most community
members were privately admitting that 'it was a mistake
to invite Greece into their group.'

According to the story, the EC members ...

   "Did you know that..."

The so-called 'cradle of democracy' Greece had only 17 years
of democracy in its entire history. Before 1974 Greece was
ruled either by military dictators or monarchs. Greece
adopted democracy in 1974 when the ruling military junta
fell as a result of Turkish intervention in Cyprus. In
contrast Turkiye, three short termed military interventions
withstanding, had multi-party democracy since 1950, for
31 years.

In addition, the release of Nikos Sampson, a member of EOKA 
[National Organization of Cypriot Fighters] and a convicted 
terrorist, shows that the 'enosis' mentality continues to survive 
in Greece. One should not forget that Sampson dedicated his life 
to annihilating the Turks in Cyprus, committed murder to achieve 
this goal, and tried to destroy the island's independence by annexing 
it to Greece. 

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Sorry for the multiple posting .
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:08:28 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

sk@groo.sunbim.be (Sasa Konecni) writes:

>Sorry for the multiple posting of the article 

> The New Greek Phobia (phobos): [ Part 2 from 5 ] .

>There were some problems with the newsserver at our site,
>which resulted in posting three copies from the article.

 Oh no, plsease keep reposting it!! How can we live without reading it?

>Sasa.
> 

-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: cicic@cc.uow.edu.au (muris cicic)
Subject: Re: Canada's voice in Bosnia Conflict (General Lewis MacKenzie)
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 02:53:29 GMT

golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>The purpose of the UN force in Sarajevo was
>to open up the airport to bring in relief supplies so fewer people
>would die...not to stop the war, or to take sides in the war.

Exactlly.  Why he took side?  He said: "Frankly, I can understand Serbian
position from the military point of view."  That view related to the shelling
of Sarajevo.  And, he recommended us negotiation with Serbs!  Who killed
Sarajevo, Mostar, Zvornik, Bijeljina, Foca, thousands of innocent Bosnians,
raped women and girls as a part of their policy, made concentration camps,
destroyed valuable monuments of our culture.  And whose "intelectuals" on
this net are readyly accepting your argument trying to make a mess among
causes, impacts, and consequences.  

Why Mackenzie has played politics?  We would never ever negotiate with the
Serbs whe made all that to us.

>>Canadians have asked their soldiers to go into a war zone essentially
>without the means to defend themselves to open a minimal supply line...
>if you don't want us to be there, we'll willing bring those precious
>lives home.

If General MacKenzie is the best man you can offer, please go home.  We will
manage to be killed without your understanding for our killers.

>Gerald

Generally, I didn't get your point.  Nobody blames Canada, General and his
people were accepted with delight in Sarajevo.  All discussion is that
General ended up co-operating with killers and accepting and advising their
explanation of war.  Which is totaly diferent from UN explanation, that 
put Serbia under sanction for brutal agression.  General, as a UN 
representative, betrayed the position of organisation, who sent him there.
Thus, his position is not official position of Canada as well.

Muris


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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Some comments from Lord Carrington
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:53:22 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

There was a big interview with Lord Carrington in Svenska
Dagbladet Sunday 23rd, i.e. before he retired as mediator
in the Yugoslavian conflicts. The interview is far too
long for me to translate in entirety, although it contains 
some interesting stuff, but let me give you some extracts, 
mainly focusing on the various leaders in ex-Yu.


   Q: ... Do the persons you talk understand anything but power language?
   A: Depends whom you are talking to. Milan Kucan in Slovenia, for
      instance, is a reasonable person. ... But politicians and
      militaries are all the time giving me promises which they
      never hold.

   ...
   Q: But before that won't the war have spread to other parts of
      Balkan.
   A: You mean to Kosovo?
   Q: Yes, to Kosovo, Macedonia or somewhere else.
   A: Kosovo is the great danger. But Macedonia? My talks with Kiro
      Gligorov are running very well. He is an excellent person, one
      of the very few. In Macedonia one seems to do quite a lot for
      the Albanian minority and I hope is clear from what I said
      elsewhere that Gligorov and Macedonia has been badly treated
      by the EC.

   ...
   A: As I've already said Milan Panic is a person who says precisely
      what you want to hear. ... But I ask myself...whether Mr. Panic
      has any real power.

   ...
   A: Franjo Tudjman says that the Serbs in Croatia really wants to be
      Croats, Milosevic that Hungarians and Muslims wants to be Serbs.
      Izbetgovic says that all Serbs in Bosnia really are Bosnians and
      so on. Apparently we have to deal with an unusual amount of wish-
      ful thinking.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
F|rst till kvarn f}r f|rst vankiva
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: Could more light topics in China?
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.201421.8145@u.washington.edu> liao@milton.u.washington.edu (shiquan liao) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.180429.279@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>Does everybody notice those "sad topics" were mostly originated from
>>people with non-chinese names? Does everybody notice Westen media,
>>newspaper, TV, radio, etc are flooded with "bad" "news" about China?
>>Are we microscoped by Westeners? Why are they have a hypocratical views
>>any thing rlelated to China? What are their intensions?
>
>
>Western media usually reports 'bad' news, even to their own society. If you
>compare how the TV news are broadcasted here and CCTV, it is obvious. CCTV
>reports the 'good' news mostly, like how the harvest is, who is brave enough
>to fight a bank robber for 10000 Yuan ect, here you mostly get how many
>people got shot and how bad the street is, how bad the economy is ect. In 
>China before I came to the States, I had never seen anything saying that
>the economy was bad, even during the Cultural Revolution. 
>
>So I don't know whether the western media is biasly reporting China on purpose
>or it is just their philosophy. Not very long ago, CCTV always told us how bad
>the Western countries were and how wonderful our country was. Don't you think
>that is also a hypocratical view?
You may be right about CCTV, but you are wrong about Western media,
Example: When China failed to launch a Australian satllite, they
reported, the next time when it was successfully launched, none of the
major U.S. evening news mentioned it. When it's about China, they
always report it in a critical way, about the west, its more or less
objective. I guess China has nothing to do in terms of their ratings.
If any, reporting bad things about China probably benefits their
ratings because Chinese government is bad, and everything is bad.
How funny!

>
>
> 
>
>
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:15:02 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Sep3.150909.8125@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>(deleted)
<I find it hard to believe that Han people treat Tibetans better as Ze Yang  
<said. Like some CSS, Ze Yang's opinion is very self-centered. People like him  
<always refuse to think from the other side. I guess this is of our "ugly" part  
<of Chinese culture. We Chinese used to think China as center of the world and  
<expect other peoples think this way too. This is impossible and unfair. When  
<some of us find other people have different or opposite opinions, they usually  
<feel insulted easily and attack back without logics and reasoning. I guess this  
<is related to both our ugly part of culture and people's personalities.
<
<Carl

While agreeing on some good points about ugly part in our culture, frequently I
found that you deny the facts by some incomplete logic based on these points.
In the above paragraph, your logic simply ignored the preference policy of
the central government toward the minorities.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:42:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.182523.1319@news.acns.nwu.edu>, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes...
>In article <BtKLp3.Fr6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)  
>writes:
>> In article <1992Aug25.234727.8644@ulowell.ulowell.edu> 
>> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>> >In article <1992Aug25.222406.6965@ulowell.ulowell.edu> 
>> >cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
> 
> 
>In my opinion, Xiong, you don't have to pay too much attention to this kind of  
>people. I guess every society has some people who are not satisfied with  
>anything. China certainly has too.
> 
>Before they came out, they complained a lot about the CCP and CG because they  
>were not satisfied. They thought the US would satisfy them. Now they are in the  
>US and found that US is far from satisfactory. What can they do? Nothing but  
>talking about going back and dreaming of theirs glorious past, and even the  
>oppresing CCP becomes a loving party to them. I don't know if they will really  
>go back, or just moan around. But one thing seems certain, if they go back,  
>they will complain about CCP again. Then they will probably think of leaving  
>China and going to the Moon.
> 
>Carl
Carl, you are absolutely right. I just want to point out that there are some 
people who are just the oppisite. When they were in China, they were the 
"Reddist". They had been saying what ever the Party wanted them to say and
doing what ever it was necessary for them to "Claim the Steps (Xian4 Shang4
Pai2)". Now, they are in US, they will not only say every thing here is
wonderful, but also everything back home is disguesting. The more they "hate"
their homes, they feel, the more likely they could grasp a chance to stay here
for the houses, the cars and the green currency here. If somebody say that "I
want to go home even my mother is not pretty", I do not feel shame for him.
If somebody say "I want to stay here because my Mom is ugly", what do you
feel, Carl.
-- Daniel Yang
-- University of Massachusetts.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Subject: Re: Bringing Down The Great Wall (part II)
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:06:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.170219.22321@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>Most of Chinese in 80's know this song. Hope this can bring back your memory.
>
>                                           .           .           . .      .
> 5 - 3 5 | 2 - - - | 5 . 2 3 5 | 6 - - - | 1 . 6 5 3 | 1 . 6 5 3 | 1 1  6 5 1 |
>                         -                     -           -       -    -
 ^^^
  .
  1

 fen--suiba ni-----  gu  yin gin ni seng----   :-)

>                                     . .   . .
> 6 6 0 0 0 | 3 . 1 2 3 | 5 6 5 3 - | 1 1 6 2 1 7 | 6 0 0 0 ||
> ---             -         ---       ---     ---
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                      2 . 5 3 1 | 6 6 0 0 0 |
                                          -       ---
                                                  . .


>
>If you know who wrote this song, you will know if the Great Wall will be bring
>down.
>
>Is there any one who is able to give us the words of the song?

Sure.

Hun1 shui4 bai3 nian2, guo2 ren2 jian4 yi3 xing3.  (a.....a.....a.....)
Zheng1 kai1 yan3 ba, xiao3 xin1 kan4 ba, na3 ge4 yuan4 chen2 lu3 zi4 ren4?
Yin1 wei2 wei4 suo1 yu3 ren3 rang4, ren2 jia1 jiao1 qi4 ri4 sheng4.
Kai1 kou3 jiao4 ba, gao1 sheng1 jiao4 ba, zhe4 li3 shi4 quan2 guo2 jie1 bing1!
Li4 lai2 qiang2 dao4 yao4 qin1 ru4, zui4 zhong1 bi4 song4 ming4.

Wan4 li3 chang2 cheng2 yong3 bu4 dao3, qian1 li3 huang2 he2 shui3 tao1 tao1,
Jiang1 shan1 xiu4 li4, die2 cai3 feng1 ling3,
Kan4 wo3 guo2 jia1 na3 xiang4 ran3 bing4?

Chong1 kai1 xue4 lu4, hui1 shou3 shang4 ba,
Yao4 zhi4 li4 guo2 jia1 zhong1 xing1!
Qi3 rang4 guo2 tu3 zai4 zao1 jian4 ta4,
Zhe4 shui4 shi1 jian4 yi3 xing3!
From: qlong@themis.cs.umass.edu (Qiegang Long)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anonymous Mail
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:52:45 GMT
Reply-To: QLONG@CS.UMASS.EDU
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
In-reply-to: MaoTseDong@red.heaven.com's message of 2 Sep 92 21:48:21 GMT


In article <4401273Sep2@Red.Heaven.Com> MaoTseDong@red.heaven.com writes:

> 
> Young Chinese comrades on Earth:
> 
> 1.- Comrade Liu@NJIT confirms "INTERNET is not a secure network".
> 
> You're absolutely correct.
> 
> 2.- Comrade Me Mann@UDenver keeps boastfully saying "it is not
>  impossible to trace down" and "it is easy to trace" the oringinator
>  of faked messages.
> 
> You really want to have a job with our People's Friendly Police
> Department?  Then why don't you try to trace this Mao?  If you
> find my real identity, then post to SCC.  Otherwise, shut up.
> I assure that you would only catch a ghost sender!!!!
> 
> Mao

There, I am wondering if you can come up with something else to show
off. It is no more than a 5-minute-hack to fake messages if you use
gnus with emacs, isn't it? If you spent more time, then you are just a
third class hacker. Or if your hack was not on gnus, then I might
understand your proudest moment -- but you made a wrong choice. Oops.
From: umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Hui Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: speading some water on heat
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:55:48 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <1992Aug27.050430.14286@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu) writes:

> This is your brain. (egg)
> This is your brain on drugs. (egg in frying pan)
> Any Questions?
> "Yeah, can I have mine scrambled?"

Here is another one:
	This is your brain before college. (a fresh egg)
	This is your brain in college.	(egg in frying pan)
	This is your brain after college.  (egg ready to eat)
-- 
Hui Huang		umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca
			Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Science in China 13
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:24:47 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Science in China (Part 13)

Between 880 AD and 909 AD, real paper money - that is, printed paper
used as a medium of exchange - is in use in Szechuan Province in China.

Between 940 AD and 949 AD, the Dunhuang star map is produced in China;
it uses a Mercator projection, the first known use of this kind of map
projection (Mercator's first use is in 1568 AD).

In 954 AD, the emperor Shih Tsung has the largest single piece of cast
iron in ancient China made to celebrate his campaign against the
Tartars; known as the Great Lion of Tsang-chou, it weighs about 40 tons.

In 976 AD, Chang Ssu-Hsun (a Chinese) invents the chain drive for use in
a mechanical clock.

In 984 AD, Ch'iao Wei-Yo (a Chinese), concerned about the amount of
stealing taking place as boats are hauled over spillways, invents the
lock for canals; previously, boats frequently broke up as they were
being hauled; people waiting for just such a moment would dash into the
wreckage and steal as much cargo as possible.

Between 1000 AD and 1009 AD, the Chinese burn coal for fuel; the seven-day
week is in use in China, before this, the most common Chinese week was ten
days (it is because of merchants from central Asia?); a supernova or
"guest star" is reported in China, Japan, Europe and the Arab lands
(1006 AD), it remains visible for several years.

A painting in 1035 AD shows a spinning wheel in use in China.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:24:06 GMT

In article <BtJtzz.9os@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) wrote:
>>A lot of Chinese students became "pro"-CCP after they came to the West, 
>>before that they were "anti"-CCP. I am one of them.
>
>I admire your courage to admit this, however it would be great tragedy
>if the nowaday's overseas Chinese Students and Scholars follow the
>pace of their upper/older generations overseas Chinese: they didn't
>like KMT/CCP, and they left China for good, when they settle down abroad,
I am a Chinese. a citizen of PRC. "settle down abroad" is not a dirable option 
to me. That is all!
>therefore had NO FEAR about KMT/CCP, they go back to kiss KMT/CCP --
>in the guise of loving China, loving her more only when they are abroad,
>and enjoying their "superior Chinese status" but NENER go back to live 
>under KMT/CCP (they know what they will be if they go back to live there :-)
>
>What's the immigration inequality?  Here it is:
>
>The love to CCP/CG of American Chinese >= that of foreign permanent
>resident (Chinese) >= that of Chinese who are applying for foreign
>PR >= that of overseas CSS >= that of CSS still in China   :-)  :-)
>
>>I am so glad that a lot of people from mainland are really matured
>>politically. I guesss this is one of the good effect of Culture Revolution,
>>among other effects(good or bad).
>
>Congratulation on your NEW FGNC theory!!!!  And thanks to the "Great
>Proletarian Culture Revolution" that killed millions of Chinese and
>created such bloody theory/such a wise Chinese :-)
>
>Can't agree any more on this "matured pollitically": unlike those 
>upper/older generations overseas Chinese, who stupidly cursed KMT/CCP 
>when they just came abroad, then they had to eat back their own sh*t  
>when they went back to kiss KMT/CCP (or eat KMT/CCP's sh*t :-).
>
>Nowaday's overseas CSS know how bad KMT/CCP WAS/IS and SOME of them know 
>how to play to achieve their maximum effect in this no-risk-to-lose game,
>(most of them will go quietly claim the benefit of of the "bloody" greencard
>anyway, just like they have done in changing J-1 to F-1/H-1, though they 
>cried loudly against it) nor they will have to eat back their own sh*t :-)
>
>What's the Chinese traditional idiom describing such a wisdom?  Here it
>is:  You4 Yao4 Dang1 Biao3 Zi0, You4 Yao4 Li4 Pai2 Fang3   :-) :-)
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Bo Xiong in Chicago


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Questions about "Shen Tong (grabbed)"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:26:09 GMT

I do not know who Shen Tong is, but have some simple questions about his/her 
arrest:

1.  Is Shen Tong the only person visiting China recently?  If not, why the
    Chinese government did not arrest others?

2.  Do you watch news each night?  If so, how many Americans get arrested per 
    day?  Did the Chinese government and the Chinese people get 
    Da(big)Jing(surprise)Xiao(small)Guai(starnge) on these American arrests?

3.  My brother, for example, stays in CHina.  Why the Chinese government did 
    not arrest him?

4.  Some of my friends travel back and forth between the US and CHina almost
    on monthly basis.  Why the Chinese government did not arrest them?

5.  Neither the Chinese government nor the US government likes to arrest me.
    Why?  I understand that I may mean nothing to some gocernments.  But to
    show you mean something, you do not have to be in custody.

6.  Being protected by someone or by some organization or by some governments
    is not a hero thing.  Agree?  If those d-fighters are really
    Niu(bufflo)Pi(skin)Hong(bomb)Hong(bomg), why didn't they arrest those
    CCP guys instead of being arrested by CCP?

7.  Being mouth-ly strong only, does not fix anything.  Agree?


shannon
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: gt9414b@ferrari.uucp (Wing-Cheong William Man)
Subject: Re: Homecoming (Was: I'm very disappointed in Chinese)
Organization: Computer Engineering Group, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0250
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:45:27 GMT

In article <9224615.5848@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo) writes:
>
>As a matter of fact, I'm going to HongKong end of the year, and I will
>be setting up Unix for communication between ShenZhen and HongKong.
>
>How's that for computerizing China, and improving HKG/SZ economy?

Good idea.
>
>:-)
>
>See you there!  Call me!!!
>
>-- 
>1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
>of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."


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