HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tale@ten.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Subject: Chain Advice Needed
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:19:57 GMT

I am looking for wisdom regarding chains.  It never struck me as odd
that I hadn't given this sort of thing much thought until now, a dozen
chains into my riding career, but I have these questions.

 o What are the pros and cons of endless vs non-endless?  Is
   non-endless really worth the extra bucks and work installing?
   If their only advantage is "no master link to worry about breaking
   open", then I'm not too concerned because I haven't seemed to
   have any problems with that.

 o What about brands?  Anything to watch out for?  Anything highly
   recommended?  What's the difference?

The bike is a 1990 Katana 1100 with 530 sprockets because the stock
532s were a bit uncommon and made I couldn't get the right chain the
last time I needed it in hick southwest VA.  (The sprockets needed
replacing then anyway, too.)  My riding style is a bit aggressive,
all-weather.  I am definitely going with an O-ring chain this time;
I've had non-O-ring the last two times due to short term financial
difficulty that fortunately is not facing me now.

Dave
DOD4
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 1965 Triumph Bonneville
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:22:17 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Oct16.081617.691@halfdome.sf.ca.us>, bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us
(bob pasker) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Oct15.185916.3725@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson) writes:
> > 
> > Will the noise every end? 
> 
> can you say "eat shit" michael l. johnson? 
> 
> please feel free to write my postmaster and complain about all the
> fucking dirty motherfucking goddam curses being posted from this site.
> 

No fair, Bob.  You are the system administrator and postmaster,
aren't you?  Qba'g yvr gb hf, abj.  Jr pna crrx vagb gung
IZF flfgrz ernyyl rnfvyl. ;-)

john 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Riding Tests (was "Re: Bicycle vs motorcycle flame war, part XXXVII
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:46:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.131535.20359@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> pfs@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (Paul Schnettler) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.211112.7675@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct14.164544.23348@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:

> Eric!
>Get a life,a clue and a better attitude...
>Talk about jumping to conclusions.

I'll second this.  When I took my test 17 years ago in Texas (things may have
changed), we were required to take a ROAD test.  First part of the test
consisted of accelerating/stopping and some cone dodging in the DMV test area.
In the second part of the test you rode in front of the DMV cage while the
officer tooted the horn to indicate which direction to turn next.  I think it
was 1 for right, 2 for left. No such high tech stuff as earphones back in them
days.  I'm sure other people on the road had to wonder what the hell the deal
was with the car following a bike and randomly blowing his horn.  Anyway, it
took about 30-45 minutes to complete the whole thing.  


>I invite you to come up to Wisconsin and take the motorcycle test.
>You can don all your protective equipment, you must have ancle high
>boots, sorry no high tops, and then place a earphone on and put your
>helmet over that. Then you can ride around various road surfaces and
>in many different traffic situations with a D.O.T. cage on your ass
>for about 1/2 hour. Make sure you give appropriate head movements
>and exagerate(I don't give a damn if you flame my spelling) them a bit
>so the examiner is sure your looking out for little girls with tennis
>balls... Then take the written test results with you (you must score
>better than 84%) and get your licence endorsement.
>
>Making blanket statements like those below tend to show your ignorance
>or better yet, letting your ego show tend to lower your IQ! #:')
>>
>>
>>What state do YOU live in that has a motorcycle (or car) liscense test
>>that actually means anything?  To get your california motorcycle
>>liscsnse, you rode your ZX11 (or a small bike you borrowed for the
>>purpose) at <10 mph around a circle in the DMV parking lot.  Maybe you
>>spend lots of time riding circles in parking lots.  Somehow I doubt
>>it.  I also doubt that riding a circle in a parking lot has much
>>relation to riding on a real road.  The motorcycle test is quite easy
>>to pass, and is a minimal test of skill.  Since nearly everyone can
>>pass the test, the ability to buy a motorcycle is the determining
>>factor of who will ride.  Therefore, my statement "if you've got the
>>money to buy a vehicle, you can use it".  I'm sorry if you can't understand
>>something that simple.
>>
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How to break-in new rings?
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:43:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Oct8.184327.13416
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing

In article <1992Oct7.185719.6857@pica.army.mil>, tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>) writes:
> >Perhaps for rice.  3000-4000 rpm means 70-93 mph on my bike.  My mechanic 
> >suggested keeping the rpm below 2500-3000 for the first 300-500 miles after 
> >a ring change.
> 
> A "ring change"? Sounds like an "oil change". Is this something you do
> regularly, Seth?

My engine was apart for unrelated work when the mechanic decided to change
my piston rings (at about 18000 miles).  The cylinders were still good for
stock rings so he broke the glaze and used new stock bore rings.
Either my over-rich main jet may have contributed to premature wear of
the rings or the mechanic just used new ones for the hell of it while the
motor was open.  The mechanic was told to "change anything that might need
changing."

I'd swear that my oil stays cleaner longer so maybe I was getting a little
blow-by...

- Roid
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: counter-steering?
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:28:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.142723.9587@oclc.org> hur@oclc.org (Matt Hur) writes:
>I overheard some bikers at a local shop talking about "counter-steering".
>Can someone tell me what that is?  I just steer my bike by turning
>the bars.
>
>thanks in advance,
>Don Gibb
>
Well Don, it's a lot like bench racing, except they use counters instead.
A bunch of bikers, usually HD riders (you know the type, just show no go)
get together at a bar and they 'Talk about Riding (i.e. Steering their 
dumptrucks) hence the term counter "steering".
your welcome in retrospect.


-- 
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Range of radar detector detection
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:10:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: devnull.2600
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]I have an Escort passport.  
]Does anyone know how far ahead I can be spotted.

 probably...

-- 
Joe Senner                                          joe@zx11.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
From: dnd@ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA))
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: From which side do you mount? (Centerstands anyone?)
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:32:50 GMT
Reply-To: dnd@spec0.ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA))
Organization: Dept Electrical and Electronic Eng, Manchester University, UK

>Now that's an interesting question...who has a centerstand out there,
>and who has to figure out weird ways to get their wheels off?
>Do Harleys have centerstands?

Moto-Guzzi Daytona 100s (the factory dr. John Rep?) have no centre-stand..
as you can imagine this causes problems with 10grand (english pounds) worth
of m/c.. still for #75 i can buy racing stands that are better than centre-stands
..now how do i fit them to the bike so that in case of nasty fix it at the side
of the road stuff

dr doom the optimist
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
   Dr. Darryl Davis                	>
   Multi-Media Laboratory		>
   Department of Electrical Engineering >   E-mail    	: dnd@spec0.man.ac.uk
   The University of Manchester     	>             
   Brunswick St                      	>   Phone     	: (+44)-61-275-4561
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bigdog!jon (Jon Wright)
Subject: Re: Drilling my own discs
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:05:27 GMT


> >: 
> >Carbon fibre discs are more efficient when hot, in fact when cold they're
> >totally useless and need to be pre-warmed by dragging them if any serious
> >braking effect is to be required.            ^^^^^^^^
> 

Not any more with some new coatings.  See this month's Motorcyclist.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: Pretty Fuckin' Happy
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:14:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.150710.16176@grebyn.com> rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence) writes:

>Personally, I think there has been a *lot* of rec.moto snobbery about
>the SecaII because it's neat, and too affordable for most of the die
>hards around here.

and i thought it was my inane articles ...


obmoto: i noticed *minor* scratching on the knee indents in my tank, presumably
from the nylon/stitching of the 'Stitch suit.  a tank half-bra, with whose
appearance i am still coming to terms, is solving the problem.  as well, it
protects the back of the tank from the abrasive buckle of the daily-used bag.

obpillionmoto: i have a (new) friend who's not keen on riding pillion on a
motorcycle (something about putting one's life in the hands of another).  the
best way we found to overcome it was some parking lot cruising, with some msf
drills done two-up.  it was good for my low-speed skill acquisition, taught her
the most unstable the bike would ever feel (i hope), and avoided the tension
of traffic and high(er) speeds.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|        Cliff Weston           DoD# 0598          '92 Seca II (Tem)       |
|                                                                          |
|             ....are there any super-special methods                      |
|                people use to get their levers hard?                      |
|                                                                          |
|                             -- David Svoboda                             |
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Ridiculous M/C Engine swaps (was Re: Faster 1100)
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:58:00 GMT

randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:

>  And???  I admit that it may more closely resemble a Harley than I originally
>thought (at least it uses a Harley engine block), but, it STILL isn't from
>Harley-Davidson.  Of course, in these discussions, I am a freak for STOCK
>machines 

Including sprockets? :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What means "Poser"?
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:47:48 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <1992Oct3.173029.1354@msus1.msus.edu> pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>SomewhereD during all the discussion of DoD Approved Helmets someone used
>this term in reference to me.  Now it appears during a debate of leather
>vs the DoD Approved Riding Suit.  What exactly does it mean?  
>What say you, DoDers, what's *your* definition of "poser"?
>
>Pooder (the poser?) - Rochester, MN - DoD #591
>Rider of Gretchen  (lookin' way cool) 
		     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Poser.    A term for someone who looks better on a bike than you do.
          alt: a term for someone with a better looking bike than yours.
          alt: a term for someone with more appropriate attire than yours.

Squid.    A term for someone with a low brains to hormones ratio.
          alt: a term for someone with a low brains to horsepower ratio.
          alt: a term for someone with bigger balls than you have.


-- 
 | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | "Thphey,  ithn't that a theerthucker |
 | DoD# 541   'Disciples of Daffy'    |  thuit?"         Daffy Duck          |
From: weaver@castor (Mike Weaver)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Red-hot pipes of fire
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:18:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia

In article <1992Oct13.031543.18340@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:
>Thinking the seal wasn't tight enough, I then managed to shear off
>two bolts by overtightening them :-(.
>
>1)  I could not fully remove parts of the old gasket from the alternator
>    cover surface because the old gasket stuck.  By leaving it in and
>    putting in a new gasket, could this be causing the leak?

Yes.  This is in fact what is causing your leak. Clean ALL of that old
gasket off before installing the cover. Oh, get another new gasket too.
Use a wire brush if you have to .

>2)  The Kawi is definitely water-cooled and probably oil-cooled, but in
>    general, what sense does it make to cool an engine with hot engine
>    oil?  (I'm assuming that's why my pipes glowed red.)

I don't know why your pipes glowed red. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and
say that that is not normal for any bike, water cooled or not. Check your 
thermostat. Was the temp guage reading hot?  Is there coolant in the 
radiator? Does the fan work? 

>3)  I ran it for about 3 minutes on (it seems through the oil window) low
>    oil.  Anything special I ought to do besides refilling it?

Change the filter, put fresh oil in it. Don't just "top it off". If your
engine ran hot enough to make your pipes glow, I bet the oil thats in 
it is no good. 

>4)  Why do bolts keep spinning when overtightened, instead of stopping like
>    normal bolts?

They keep spinning because you have broken loose the threads inside the engine
block.

You'll probably need to get the holes re-tapped.

>No, folks, I don't think I'm ever getting into re-boring engines :-).  May
>the world be spared.
>
>Manish
>
>                                          /-\o /-()  -- -  --   -
>   Manish Vij    ::    '89 EX500          \_/ \\/ )  -- -    --
>   mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu                       |/_\  -- -  --   - 
>                                                \_/.  .  . . ........



I think that it would be a good thing (tm) not to try to rebore your engine.


Good luck!
-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
Michael Weaver            |"Where ever you go, There will be something in your
weaver@castor.cs.uga.edu  | way." --Banzai Clutter Theorm
DoD#0529    KotGB         | 1982 Yamaha Vision 550 --  It's feeling better.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: steve@bucolix.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Subject: Re: Re: How far do you commute/Cereal for Breakfast
Reply-To: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:23:30 GMT

In article <9901038@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> 
jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes:
>In rec.motorcycles, tjohnson@atcc5.prime.com (Tod J Johnson) writes:
>> P.S. Does anyone eat Cereal for Breakfast besides me?? 
>Yes.  A real man's breakfast.  Bourbon and Wheaties.  

Almost up to a RealMan'sBreakfast(tm), but not quite there.
Try Everclear and *LOTS* and *LOTS* of bran.
When you fart, all the Roids are flamed into oblivion. 

Walk through walls, snort nitrous, drink beer and sterno, and piss wiskey!
Steve Garnier - DoD #00000005 - '79 XS1100SF w/ 157K+ miles and *climbing*
KotF (Flame),  KotAM (Anecdotal Motorcycle),  The Daemon's Byte
                            |  Contrary to popular belief, I am not the 
  silence is fool's gold    |  Devil's advocate...but I am his speech writer.
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Ken and Tom's Next Excellent Adventure
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:49:30 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: na
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


Thanks for the trip report Tom.

you write:

>There are Americans all around me
>(surprise!) and they are jostling (on the edge of a 1500ft cliff) and
>crying and shouting and laughing.  I don't understand you people; you have
>an embarrassment of riches, of natural beauty, and you've forgotten how to
>treasure it.  Some of you are also trying to take pictures of it, and I
>know from experience it's VERY hard to capture a mountain with a 35mm
>camera, so maybe some of you aren't as bright as all that, hmm?

You "know from experience" and then call us not bright?

rec.motorcycles is just full of confessions, isn't it?
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: ssa7+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stefan E Sherwood)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Range of radar detector detection
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:16:06 GMT
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I have an Escort passport.  Does anyone know how far ahead I can be spotted.
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: If you could pick only 5 bikes...
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:31:11 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <2649@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> joe@mpd.tandem.com writes:

>Regards, Joe
>DoD 0.001
^^^^^^^^^^

What the fuck is going on? That's *my* DoD number...
What's up, O KoTL??

Regards, Charles
The Real DoD0.001
RZ350
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: asper@sbctri.sbc.com (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleven
Organization: Southwestern Bell Technology Resources, St.Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:58:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.175717.20459@ichips.intel.com> mfisch@ichips.intel.com writes:
>
>  All that I'm saying is that they will never make as much money as they could
>(long term) overall if they don't expand their product line.  This would
>be a very risky proposition for Harley, but then again, American companies are
>too concerned with short term profits and are not willing to take risks.  I
>dont think that Harley could compete with the Japanese in the performance market

Not a flame, exactly, but Harley in the early 80's showed exactly the sort of
market savvy and commitment to the long-term (by using statistical quality
methods, etc.) that have made them successful. One of the reasons they have
remained recession-proof is their lack of inventory; no bikes sitting on
the lots, no big depreciation costs. 
Plus, the whole point with Harley is that they are selling a "style" (whether
we actually like that style or not) and it has done great for them. Divers-
ifying into sport bikes would jeopordize this image they have very carefully
cultivated. Think if Porsche went into the truck business.
Just my two cents.

Alan
 
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:45:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: How far do you commute/Cereal for Breakfast
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

In rec.motorcycles, tjohnson@atcc5.prime.com (Tod J Johnson) writes:

> P.S. Does anyone eat Cereal for Breakfast besides me?? 

Yes.  A real man's breakfast.  Bourbon and Wheaties.  

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcpe.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
I'm OK, you're inflatable.
From: meeker@step2.berkeley.edu (Gary O. Meeker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: FOUND:  Old Honda 450
Date: 12 Oct 1992 08:31:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
Reply-To: meeker@step2.berkeley.edu (Gary O. Meeker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: step2.berkeley.edu


Today when I was out riding my bicycle, I saw what looked like an old dirt
bike frame and wheels down the hill on the right side of the road.  It 
looked like an area where people usually dump stuff like old car seats 
and old appliances, but I was suprised to see a motorcycle down there.
After stopping and taking a closer look, I noticed that there was yet 
another motorcycle under the dirt bike.  All I could see was a spoked wheel
with a large drilled disk brake.  This deserved a closer look, so I climbed 
down the steep hill to check it out, hoping to find an old Ducati or Harley
or something.  No such luck, it turned to be a Honda, perhaps from the mid to 
late 70's.  The emblem on the side said it was a dual cam 450.  That seemed
strange since I thought that all of the honda 400's and 450 twins were only
single cam engines.  The bike seemed complete: carbs, spark plug wires,
ignition
coils, speedometer (120 mph), tachometer, and even the horn were still there.  
The thing didn't even look rusty.  I've seen bikes on the road that look
worse.  

Anyway, does anyone know if it is possible to claim an abandoned vehicle like 
this, provided its not stolen?   I already have 2 motorcycles, but you never 
can have too many.  Besides, I always wanted a bike with spoked wheels.  

Also, does anyone know anything about dual cam Honda 450 twins?  Would it even 
be worth it to get it back on the road?  

By the way, the dirt bike was interesting also.  It had no motor, but its
rear shock was parallel to the ground running under the seat and gas tank.
Wierd.  I didn't see a manufacturer's name on the tank.  

Thanks for the info.

Gary
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:48:56 GMT

Brice Dowaliby (bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU) wrote:
: Nick, when I try to e-mail you I get a "Bad Address" bounce.
: Could you email me a usable address for you?
: 
: Thanks.
: -- 
:    Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
:                          bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
:              I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
:                               DoD # 0698

Wot, so you can giv me a proppa lambastin' like?  You must be jokin'!!


Just so long as you don't look at "The List"  (Yikes - gadzooks  sounds like a
call for a joust)  I'm probably safe, for now.....


Nick (Sir Pettefar of Burnham)  MAG 73516  DoD 1069   Heraldic Listing


M'Lud.

"Peasant!"
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