From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: Re: ...Internet in Asia ......
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 07:51:40 GMT

uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:

)In a gopher in Michigan I found Gopher servers in Chile Equador etc..
)	(Three in Chile!!!)
)None in Asia !!   What is Asia doing...?
)If IEEE Spectrum got its data properly sorted, then Saudi Arabia, Egypt,
)Pakistan and  India are countries will full-fledged Internet networks.
)So is china and taiwan.  (I know taiwan has the full usenet feed).

Pakistan is *not* on Internet. Just being able to receive mail from
Internet or having a *.pk doesn't mean the site is on Internet. 

)If pakistan and India cannot affort gopher and archies, there is nothing
)new about it.

Oh! Even McGill in Montreal couldn't afford the cost (for the
founders of archie) of supporting archie. So what do you imply? 

)But what about the Saudi's ?  What are they doing with their Oil money ?
)Or are they preventing such infrastructure for the same reason that Japan
)does not allow usenet in japan -- usenet culture is a complete 
)anti-thesis of the type of attitudes and culture that japanese like...

Most people in Japan have access to Kanji terminals and other
terminals with Kanji emulation. Usenet *is* propagating through Japan.
But it is a fact that Japanese like reading stuff in their native
language for which appropriate hardware is available. Have you heard
about the fj.* groups at all?

)DO NOT FORGET TO CHANGE THE TOPMOST LINE OF YOUR POST, SO THAT YOU
)POST ONLY TO THE GROUPS YOU CONCIOUSLY WANT TO POST TO !!!!!!!!

FYI, there is a Followup-To header too. 

)Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
)(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

PS: I have not elaborated on the technical difficulties (Yes, I do
know because I maintain gopher and WAIS servers) simply because it
won't make sense to most people but here is the trailing output of
'traceroute' at 11:30 PM Mountain time. Try getting the help of some
system administrator to interpret it. it takes much more to understand
the complications of Internet load (especially inter-continental).
After all no other country possesses the rich T3 lines that NSF has
furnished for .edu(s). Compare that with a slow link from Falls Church
to Bombay. If you can fund a higher speed link please let those people
in India know about it.

Sridhar.
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Traceroute's output:

NetBlazer.Falls-Church.VA.ALTER.NET (137.39.1.10)  110 ms  110 ms  110 ms
sangam.ernet.IN (144.16.11.1)  2131 ms  1751 ms  1001 ms

chls-wtn3-pk.sura.net (128.167.152.2)  700 ms  690 ms  700 ms
dcc.uchile.cl (146.83.2.65)  930 ms  720 ms  700 ms

ARC2.NSN.NASA.GOV (192.52.195.11)  70 ms  60 ms  70 ms
132.160.247.2 (132.160.247.2)  1731 ms  2421 ms  2932 ms
147.6.22.2 (147.6.22.2)  2952 ms  2061 ms  2801 ms
daiduk.kaist.ac.kr (143.248.1.1)  2671 ms  2371 ms  2651 ms

ARC2.NSN.NASA.GOV (192.52.195.11)  70 ms  60 ms  80 ms
imp.Hawaii.Net (132.160.249.1)  110 ms  120 ms  120 ms
menehune.Hawaii.Net (132.160.1.1)  120 ms  120 ms  130 ms
132.160.251.2 (132.160.251.2)  230 ms  380 ms  280 ms
jp-gate.wide.ad.jp (133.4.1.1)  300 ms  430 ms  240 ms

ULCC.NSN.NASA.GOV (128.161.165.2)  240 ms  220 ms *
jips-gw.ulcc.ac.uk (128.86.1.4)  480 ms  230 ms  190 ms

ARC5.NSN.NASA.GOV (192.100.12.5)  60 ms  70 ms  70 ms
usa.gw.au (132.160.240.2)  690 ms  710 ms  660 ms

ARC2.NSN.NASA.GOV (192.52.195.11)  70 ms  70 ms  60 ms
feba-aotearoa.waikato.paccom.net.nz (132.160.254.2)  740 ms  730 ms  700 ms