HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (1-4-93)
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:11:38


Randy Peppler writes:

about the Holiday Bowl:

> 	                         Only 44,457 at Jack Murphy Stadium, which
> 	has to be one of the smallest Holiday Bowl crowds ever, especially
> 	since the stadium was expanded...

about the Blockbuster Bowl
>                                                 Just 45,554 at Joe Robbie
> 	Stadium...

about the Rose Bowl
                             ONLY 94,236 at the Rose Bowl!  What happened?
> 	Did they reduce the capacity of the stadium?  I can't remember the
> 	last time the crowd there was less than 100,000...


Notice a pattern?  Also, in today's (1/5) edition of the USA Today, the TV
sports column points out how low the TV ratings for all the games were.  The
Miami/Alabama game was the lowest rated #1 vs #2 ever, the Rose Bowl ratings
were down about 15%, the Orange Bowl ratings were way down, etc.

This doesn't bode well for the bowl coalition.  Although the cause/effect
relationship is questionable, it seems like poor ratings a few years in a
row are going to force the NCAA's hand in regards to a playoff.

Any ideas on why the bowls suffered in attendence and TV ratings this year?


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: Pl explain the Bama penalty in Sugar Bowl
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:04:43 GMT

In article <s5ugxk.726172659@sun330>, s5ugxk@almserv.uucp (Girish Kumtheker) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> Can somebody explain the penalty given to bama,
|> resulting in a loss of 15 yards ( not that it mattered !).
|> 
|> I thought there should have off setting penalties, if ANY !
|> I mean 15 yards for twirling the football after touchdown ?
|> You would call that celebration ?? Give me a break !

    Sure it is called the Vegas Foul, also known as the Pity Penalty.  When a
consensus underdog is ripping apart the favored team in an important game (one
in which the Vegas oddsmakers stand to lose a pile of money) this penalty may
be invoked as early and as often as the officials can fit it in.  We had a
neckbreaking facemask committed by the former God's Gift To Football canes and
a frustration spinning of the ball because Lassic felt he should have gotten in.
As we all could see, the most dreadful foul was the dangerous spinning of the
ball.  Why, he might have given it rug burns!  Or put a spot in the carpet.  We
couldn't have that.  Of course, when miami finally crossed the goal line and the
punt returner spun the ball in celebration while (albeit fleetingly) standing in
the "victory" pose, no flags were seen.  This foul was also invoked on several
of the defensive offsides calls against Alabama as well.  Our defense was getting
into the backfield so fast and making Toretta look so bad that they had to try
and back them off somehow.  I was amazed that they actually called the
interference penalty against the three miami defenders who were twirling David
Palmer in the air as the ball was coming in.  Their offensive line was holding
Copeland and Curry all night and the refs never saw it.  Still, even with the
extra players in stripes, the canes were little lost children.

    Glad to have a chance to clear up that penalty for the record.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
              "It's all a blur."  --Whatshisname

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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: FSU finally finishes ahead of Miami
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:37:18 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division


Well, disappointing as it was for FSU not to win the MNC this year, it is
very satisfying to finish ahead of them in the polls!  FSU has 6 straight
top 4 finishes and until this year we have always finished behind Miami.
But not this year!!

By the way, is it too early to ask the pollsters to NOT make FSU the
preseason #1 next year?  Give that "honor" (read target on chest) to Bama!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: Re: Pl explain the Bama penalty in Sugar Bowl
Reply-To: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com  
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:06:47 GMT

In article <C0CoAt.n1A@trc.amoco.com>, zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan4.200338.19418@infonode.ingr.com> tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com   writes:
|> >In article <s5ugxk.726172659@sun330>, s5ugxk@almserv.uucp (Girish Kumtheker) writes:
|> >|> Hi,
|> >|> 
|> >|> 
|> >|> Can somebody explain the penalty given to bama,
|> >|> resulting in a loss of 15 yards ( not that it mattered !).
|> >|> 
|> >|> I thought there should have off setting penalties, if ANY !
|> >|> I mean 15 yards for twirling the football after touchdown ?
|> >|> You would call that celebration ?? Give me a break !
|> >|> 
|> >	I agree except that it is a penalty.  He spun the ball, they
|> >	threw the flag.  BUT, Miami's guy that ran in their ONLY touch-
|> >	down did the same thing and wasn't flagged.  But then again,
|> >	it wouldn't have mattered would it Gino?
|> 
|> It IS a penalty if you do it on a play in which you do NOT score.  You
|> can receive the same penalty for spiking the ball or throwing it at 
|> someone or throwing it into the crowd.
|> 
	PAY ATTENTION, THIS WON'T HAPPEN OFTEN.
		 I huh, stand corrected !!!
	and ...   Roll Tide anyway !!
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mike@spss.com (mike cornwall)
Subject: Re: We can take it (was Re: Pl explain the Bama penalty in Sugar Bowl)
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:05:09 GMT

In article <1icrt3INNhlr@shelley.u.washington.edu> wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.173027.19782@Princeton.EDU> frank@wanda.princeton.edu (Frank Bilotti) writes:
>>
>>Oh Yeah, can you say HEISMAN boys and girls?  Cry all you want, we got
>>it!!  :p  :)
>Has anyone noticed that a p looks like a trumpet sideways?
>Is that what it's supposed to be?  Are you blowing your own horn?

 Looks like a pair of balls to me, perhaps he is blowing his...  :)

 Congrats to Bama, that was pure dominance. 

--
Mike Cornwall
mike@spss.com
From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: SB QB comparison (was Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:50:30 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu

chad@chad.b11.ingr.COM (Chad McGuire) writes:
>I have one question.  At what position on the field is Miami better than
>Alabama???????
>	Quarterback:		Do I have to answer that.
>				Well, at least ours has NEVER lost as a starter
We all know that Torretta's performance in the Sugar Bowl was bad.  From my
fading memory of Barker's play, he didn't do too much aside from handing off to
the Alabama running backs.  Could someone post the final statistics for the two
QBs?  I don't recall Barker throwing much, but I'd like to see the stats to see
if I'm wrong.  Thanks.
-- 
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ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!
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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: FYI: Parade's All-America Team
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:41:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.233050.8189@Arco.COM>
mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:
> 10. Willie Anderson   Vigor        Prichard, Ala.  6-7  305
> 15. Jesse McCovery    Theodore     Theodore. Ala.  6-3  260
                                                     ^^^^^^^^

Geez, I knew we grew `em big in Alabama, but 6-7, 305 lb.?  That boy's
mama must make damn good biscuits.  Does anyone know if either one is
headed for Bama?  I think I've seen McCovery's name on somebody's
"leaning to Bama" list.  Imagine how these rascals will get once they
are living within 5-10 miles of Dreamland!

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From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: We can take it (was Re: Pl explain the Bama penalty in Sugar Bowl)
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:04:59 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

> Oh Yeah, can you say HEISMAN boys and girls?  Cry all you want, we got it!!
>  :p  :)
>
>Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>

ah yes, the trophy which is awarded before the most important games
of the entire season are played.  obviously there is a great deal of
significance in winning such a prize.  <I'M BEING SARCASTIC, BY THE WAY>

however, you are right.  legally, the 1992 Heisman Trophy does indeed
belong to Gino "it's all a blur" Torretta.

ok
dpm
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From: trn@ornl.gov (Nelson T R)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Stadium Survey
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:53:12 GMT

Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:54:46 GMT
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In article <1993Jan1.081615.24689@athena.mit.edu>, chu@mtl.mit.edu writes:
>In article <1JAN199300341388@utkvx2.utk.edu> applcore@utkvx2.utk.edu (Core,  
>Andrew) writes:>
>> Anyway, Neyland Stadium allows no drinking, which may come as a surprise to
>> anyone who has bee to a game.  And no smoking starting next year.
>> 
>> I wish they'd close off the north end - that would surely add another 15,000
>> seats.
>> _
>> Go Vols!
>> Andrew Core
>> applcore@utkvx.utk.edu
>
>So what's the deal with Neyland Stadium?  They were supposed to close
>off that north end a long time ago.  Insufficient funds?  I think UT
>could easily fill up a 120,000 seat stadium.
>--
>Bill Chu                         chu@mtl.mit.edu
>MIT Submicron Structures Lab     (NeXT mail welcome)

I agree that UT could fill a larger stadium, but rather than enclosing the upper 
north end of Neyland stadium, they have chosen to improve the other sporting 
facilities. Recent(<5yr)/current projects include:
 
Basketball - Thompson-Bowling Arena  - seating over 25,000 at a cost of $30M+
Baseball - Lyndsey Nelson Stadium - a beautiful new facility under construction
Football - New 70 YD indoor practice facility
	   New athletic dorms
	   Expansive new weight training facility
Swimming - Renovations to the Aquatic Center
Track - Resurfacing Tom Black track and adding new scoreboard/timers

The next change to Neyland Stadium will most likely be replacing the worn turf,
possibly with real grass. 


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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Another Cougar to the NFL :-(
Originator: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 02:01:24 GMT

Now, unlike Bledsoe's decision, this one came as a bit of a surprise.
This afternoon, Washington State junior WR Phillip Bobo informed the
university that he too will forego his final year of eligibility and 
enter the upcoming NFL draft.

Who's next?

Jim
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Subject: God did Young SUCK!
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 08:42:49 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro

Man, did Steve Young suck today in the game against the Redskins:

* He threw an interception in the end zone that was lucky enough to have
been missed. Thank God for John Taylor.  That TD should not be counted for
Young.

* He ran, fell, GOT UP (what a hoser) and then lost the ball after being
hit by a fellow niner.

* He flung the ball high in the air.  That was very strange.

* He threw a terrible across the middle interception that blew me away.

Yes, they won.  But had the Redskins not blew that handoff near the end of
the game we might be talking about a Redskins victory here.  I don't know
about your house, but my house was nervous about this QB leading us into a
SuperBowl.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason)
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:59:11 GMT

>>What is this deal with the free agency when a player can't sign with whoever
>>he wants? I heard today during the Cowboy game that a player can't sign with
>>the final four teams (i.e. the teams in the AFC/NFC Championship games). I
>>guess what they mean is that certain players can't sign with those times (i.e.
>>Reggie White to San Francisco). This is ridiculous! The NBA or MLB have no
>>such restrictions. It is not a fair rule at all. Once again it is restricted
>>free agency.
>>
>>What is everyone else's opinion on this?
>>
>
>I think it SUCKS! This is totally stupid. Something needs to be done. Is the
>rule written so that noone can go to the last four teams? If so, what if these
>teams loose a lot of players to free agency? Can they not sign anyone to help
>cover their losses? With the already low draft positions and no free agents,
>these teams will be in a real bind! This is utterly ridiculous!
>

Ah, parity!  

The rule, as I understand it, is that the 4 teams in the conference
championships can ONE free agent IF they *lose* a player to free
agency--and even then, the salary for the players lost/gained has to
be about the same.

For all the teams that are in the playoffs, they can sign ONE
additional free agent, but there's a limit of $1.5 million per annum
average.  They can replace departed free agents but no with players
whose salaries exceed $1 million.

Parity, yes, of sorts.  Also, another way of driving *down* salaries.


-- 

Gary Beason    			      
Purdue University
bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Redskins - Matt Millen Interview
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:59:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1993Jan8.215906.18264
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1993Jan8.185258.12987@pbhyg.PacBell.COM> dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok) writes:
>This was an article in the SF Chronicle (1/7/93).  Matt Millen,
>a member of the 1989 49ers SB Champs and the 1991 Redskins SB
>Champs (as well as the 1980&1983 Raiders), gives his impressions
>of the 49er/Redskins matchup.  Some portions of the article deleted
>for space considerations (buy the paper and read the whole article :-)):
>
>...
Well, Millen must be having fun....I wonder if they're paying him for 
the interviews that led to the article.  He pretty much said the same
thing in an article in the Washington Post today.

schalene
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: NFL Labor Accord Reached
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:46:40 GMT

According to the SF Chronicle (1/7/93) the NFL owners and players
have reach a labor accord.  It is almost identical to the one
rejected by the owners a couple of weeks ago.  Highlights:

Free agency after 5 years in league

Salary cap kicks in and free agency drops to 4 years once
player costs, estimated at 56%, reach 67% of league revenue

Draft is reduced from 12 rounds to 7, plus an eighth for teams
that lose free agents, based on some formula.

Each team can exempt one francise player.  2 rights of refusal
in 1993 and 1 in 1994.

Cap on rookie salaries

Window period of free agency from March 1 to July 15.  Players
who haven't signed would revert to old team with 10%+ pay raise,
otherwise they are free agents again.

Many questions remain unanswered at this time.  Stand by for details
(such as some playoff games ;-)).

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: campbell@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Ray E. Campbell)
Subject: Ditka Has Been Fired!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:50:39 GMT

I just heard on WBBM Radio, Chicago, that Mike Ditka has been fired as
head coach of the Chicago Bears.  The announcement was made just minutes
ago.

Reportedly, Mike McCasky (SP) asked Ditka to remain with the team as a 
consultant, but it is not clear whether Ditka agreed to do that or not.

Let me be the first to say (as a non-Bears fan) that I am sorry to see Mike go.
He is a good coach and a winner.  It will be interesting to see who the next
head coach  of the Bears will be.

Bye Mike, thanks for the memories.


-- 
Ray Campbell, AT&T, Lisle, IL
(708) 224-4402, campbell@odutsa.nw.att.com
"I got friends in low places,
where the whiskey drowns and the beer chases" - Garth Brooks
From: jcichock@ep.ieee.org (J Cichocki)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: predictions
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:25:11 GMT
Reply-To: jcichock@ep.ieee.org
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY

Since everybody is offering opinions about the upcoming games, I've decided to throw
my hat in the ring.

Eagles vs. Cowboys.......revenge is sweet for the birds in Irving this go round. The 
                         Eagles will soar just high enough.

Chargers vs. Dolphins....SD doesn't have the playoff experience Miami has. At least 
                         the fish swam in a few years ago.

Bills vs. Steelers.......Bills haven't done the job the last two years, let someone 
                         else try.

Redskins vs. 49ers.......Time for the Redskins to extinguish the niners at Candlestick
                         with a raindance.

Post you next week.
Jeff
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Giants Wooo Wannstedt ...
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:16:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.109.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
>Heard it last night on the 11:PM news.
>
>Giants officially asked Dallas permission to talk with Wannstedt after the 
>Dallas season is over.

Actually George Young and Wannstedt met for about 20 minutes or so yesterday
and Dave was told that the G management would like to meet with him after
the postseason.  Sounds waffle-ly if you ask me... sounds to me like Young
would like to keep it all within the organization rather than bring in an
outsider.  Get a grip George... everyone else on your staff sucks!

>
>Whew......... I was wondering what was taking them so long. :-)
>:-) :-) :-)
> 
>I cant imagine him turning it down.  I dont know much about him except that 
>he has worked wonders in Dallas, and that bodes well for the re-emergence of 
>the Big Blue Wreckin Crew.  (Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy!)

The feeling seems to be mutual but it seems that the ball is again in the
Gs court.  

>
>Can some Dallas fans give me some info on him.  I only watched a few of the 
>Dallas games (the ones I watched were DAMN IMPRESSIVE though)

What I found most impressive about Wannstedt was the way he was able to 
so improve that suspect Dallas secondary (you know, the one that got
burned by run-and-shoot offenses).  I think this guy has a very good
defensive mind but I have no clue what sort of offense he favors.

>
>
>Ya gotta wonder how JJ will feel if he goes to a division rival (then again 
>I dont see the jints being anyones rival for next few years  :-(   ) 

JJ wants all his coaches to ultimately end up as head coaches.  He'd been
grooming Wannstedt for the job for a while... he was a close second for the
head coaching choice by Pitt but I don't think he was interested in leaving
Dallas at that point.

>
>Adriene (WOOOOOOOOF, Giants in 93 with a new coach!!!! PSYCH!)

satish nair
giants (the rebuild continues)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: rdarnese@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD DALHS ARNESEN)
Subject: Re: Dallas on Real Grass
Originator: rdarnese@c00736-239rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: rdarnese@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD DALHS ARNESEN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:29:42 GMT




  You are one smart guy!!! I salute you! :)

  GO BILLS!!!! :)

  
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From: caldwell@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Wayne Caldwell)
Subject: Re: Playoffs: Philly at NewOrleans
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:28:53 GMT

After reading your post on the Saints and watching the Cowboys kill the Eagles,
I have to feel the same way about Philly.
From: seningen@maserati.ross.com (Mike Seningen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: LIST OF FRUSTRATIONS.
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:42:15 GMT
Organization: ROSS Technology, Inc. Austin, Tx.

I believe both Tampa and Seattle have been to the playoffs -- 
though I can't speak for their results.

mike

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