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From: hsue@ellis.uchicago.edu (yung chang  hsueh)
Subject: Info Wanted: Fax Number of Financial Institutions in USA
Reply-To: hsue@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:03:24 GMT

I am looking for a list of fax numbers of the Personel Office of major
financial institutions in the USA.  Does anyone have any idea as where
I can get it, please let me know.

Thank you very much.



Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: gary@resumix.portal.com (Gary M. Lin)
Subject: Re: Companies ack of receipt of resume...
Organization: Resumix Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 00:20:08 GMT

djohnson@cs.ulowell.edu (Daniel T. Johnson) writes:
>In article <246@cnmhnet.UUCP>, keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
>|> goes something like "...although your qualifications were excellent,
>|> we have found someone else who more closely fit our needs...  However,
>|> we will keep your resume on file and if a position develops that fits
>|> your qualifications, we will contact you..."  I HATE THESE LETTERS!
>|> I would almost rather NOT hear anything than to get one of these letters!
>|> --Keith
>|> 
>Hey I got that exact line once in one of my rejection letters .  I think they are funny.  It kind of makes you wonder what they were thinking when they originally wrote the letters.


Could be worse, our resume-processing software automatically generates these
response letters with neat PostScript signatures.  Don't yah hate that?

						- Gary Lin
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 15:29:38 EST
From: <DXD16@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: nannies

A friend is seeking information on how to gain employment as a nanny or an au
pair in Great Britain. Suggestions will be appreciated. Please respond directly
to my e-mail address. Thanks.
dxd16@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub)
Subject: Re: transform a resume
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:52:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.065342.1979@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:
[stuff deleted]
>the job market is that there seem to be two kinds of jobs out there...1. total
>dead-end jobs (like mine) which require no responsibility, no creativity, no
>growth of skills etc. 2. careerist jobs that, while stimulating in some
>positive ways, require one to have managerial ambitions (we've all heard about
>people who painted themselves into a corner by pursuing a technical as opposed
>to managerial career track), and to display an almost cheerleader-like attitude
[more stuff deleted]
> Walter Lee                                          w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu


There is a third path that you should not rule out:  running your own
business.  You earn little or nothing at the beginning, there are huge
risks involved and you will quite likely fail, and you work 100 hours
a week.  But if you make it, you will have a very satisfying career
and possibly end up wealthy.  And you will have totally avoided those
idiotic job interviews and dead-end or careerist situations.  Read
Inc. magazine for some inspiration along these lines.  Good luck!

Terry





Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: john@n7kbt.rain.com (John Opalko)
Subject: Re: EasyResume(TM) Resume Writing Outline/Sample
Organization: Two strange people in Forest Grove, OR
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:02:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.012314.21477@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:
>In article <72509@cup.portal.com>, Lee_-_Johnson@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>>Europe.  OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A GROUND-FLOOR OPPORTUNITY!
>
>>ENTRY-LEVEL GRADS:   WE ARE UNABLE TO ASSIST
>>                     ENTRY-LEVEL GRADUATES WITH NO PAID COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY
>>                     EMPLOYMENT.                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Mr. Johnson, you contradict yourself.

No, he doesn't.  If you bother to read the article in question, you will see
that the firm he is recruiting for is building a team of experts and is
opening several new offices.  This sounds like a "ground-floor" opportunity
to me, in the sense that the folks hired to do this job will have the chance
to build something from scratch.

Ground-floor != entry-level.

>You also flatter yourself by equating
>hiring someone with "assisting" same.  I'd like to go on record in this forum
>in my statement that people like you are a disgrace to the American economic
>system.

He's not offering to hire anyone.  He's offering to assist people by matching
their talents and interests with the hiring needs of client companies.

I don't know about you, but I'd be hard pressed to know about every company
in the world that just might need my particular talents.  Some "assistance"
there would be quite welcome, even if the assistor is actuated solely by a
motive of profit.

Why is Mr. Johnson such a disgrace to the American economy?  He's offering a
service and, since he's been around for a while, I assume people are willing
to purchase his service.  It sounds like his particular corner of the
economy is chugging along quite nicely.

-- 
John Opalko			Fast; cheap; correct.  Pick two.
john@n7kbt.rain.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler)
Subject: Re: Query on Vector Marketing Corporation
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:32:33 GMT



This sounds like your typical pyramid swindle.

Allan Adler
ara@altdorf.ai.mit.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Subject: Re: Inappropriate responses to job posting
Reply-To: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:47:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.122828@ardor.enet.dec.com>, kannan@ardor.enet.dec.com (Nari Kannan) writes:
|> Is it just me or others also irritated by this constant stream of
|> "Don't  waste my time. It's more precious than yours"
|> postings.  

You have completely and totally misrepresented the tone and content of
what I posted.  I said nothing about inappropriate responses being a waste
of my time.  What I said is that this practice reflects poorly on the
prospective applicant.  Ask any hiring manager and they will agree with 
what I said.


|> Have some compassion for people hit by hard
|> times and looking for a job for a long time.  Being worried
|> about your livelihood and constant anxiety about whether
|> you are going to earn anything in your life (especially for fresh
|> graduates)  again is nothing compared to a delete command
|> you can type in your mail system. 

I do have compassion for job hunters.  That's why I posted in the
first place - so they can get a clue about something that will help
them not look foolish or immature or thoughtless in front of prospective
employers.  It would reflect far more favorably on someone if they
dropped a line saying "by the way, I'm not qualified for the position
you indicated, but I'd sure like to be considered for other positions
within the company.  Do you know of other opening?".  If people would
simply do this, they will do much better in their job search.  It was
this kind of helpful advice that I was offering, not the kind of
slam you are suggesting that I made.


|> So get a perspective on this
|> and stop playing God.  When you are desperate,  you may try
|> something "just in case".

Well, I would suggest it is you who does not "have a perspective"
on this.  Playing God???  Really!  

|> 
|> The way I see it, there is a temporary restructuring
|> of the computer industry as a whole.  Computers are not
|> going to go away any time soon. If anything, it will be used
|> more and more for all kinds of things.  This temporary glut
|> will force a lot of youngsters to turn away from a computer
|> science education even as we speak.  Four years from now
|> you may not have the same  choice of candidates that everyone
|> seems to be complaining about.
|> 
|> So get a perspective on this and lay off poor candidates
|> desperately looking for a job. 

Sorry that you don't get it, but I would reiterate every word
of my original posting.


-- 
***********************************************************************
 Jim Burke	"Life is uncertain - eat dessert first!"
 Teknekron Software Systems		... burke@tss.com
 phone:(415) 617-2432			... uunet!tekbspa!burke
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: EasyResume(TM) Resume Writing Outline/Sample
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:10:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Dec30.010906.12242@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:
>In article <C01H3o.CFq@n7kbt.rain.com>, john@n7kbt.rain.com (John Opalko) writes:
>>>>ENTRY-LEVEL GRADS:   WE ARE UNABLE TO ASSIST
>>>>                     ENTRY-LEVEL GRADUATES WITH NO PAID COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY
>>>>                     EMPLOYMENT.                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>>Mr. Johnson, you contradict yourself.
>>
>>No, he doesn't.  If you bother to read the article in question, you will see
>>that the firm he is recruiting for is building a team of experts and is
>>opening several new offices.  This sounds like a "ground-floor" opportunity
>>to me, in the sense that the folks hired to do this job will have the chance
>>to build something from scratch.
>>
>>Ground-floor != entry-level.
>
>But I still disagree with your definition of "ground floor".  The ground floor
>is (by definition) the floor you can get to without getting to the elevator
>first.  With the possible exception of some jokers in helicopters.

Generally, we do not speak of a "ground-floor" job as being the *employee's*
ground floor, but rather, the organization's.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler)
Subject: Re: >>>> What is essence of SUCCESS
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
	<1992Dec31.055605.27925@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 11:57:02 GMT

In reply to my comment

   >Personally, I don't see how these people can live with themselves.

Walter Lee writes:

   I suspect mostly they just rationalize it.  I do to some extent.  I fake my 
   way
   through job interviews more often than not.  Telling personnel types how I
   _really_ feel about business ethics, labor relations, the importance of a
   business' "image", William Whyte's proverbial Organization Man, or a host of
   other topics, is something I simply do not see as an option.  I'd have to 
   say I
   rationalize my participation in this charade by reasoning that economic
   survival overrides any need I may have to be true to myself or others.


In a course on Classical Logic, one often learns about classical fallacies.
The one that is operating in the discussion with the personnel department
is called the Ad Bacculum fallacy. In this fallacy, one party threatens
the other one with some kind of harm, either explicitly or otherwise,
unless that party agrees with the point of view of the belligerent.

It is perfectly rational to deal with this fallacy by appearing to
agree with the belligerent if one really has no other way of avoiding
the perceived injury. However, what I have found astonishing (and
amply represented in some of the correspondence I have received) is
that many people not only give in in the face of perceived threats, they 
are actually CONVINCED by such methods.

I've heard that some battered children adopt the point of view of the
victim and others adopt the point of view of the abuser. Perhaps the
same principle is at work here.

Allan Adler
ara@altdorf.ai.mit.edu
From: carole@rembrandt.Sun.COM (Carole Parker)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Advice from a hiring manager on resumes
Date: 29 Dec 1992 07:11:35 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: rembrandt
Keywords: Advice

In article <esther.724357272@sarge> esther@verdix.com (Esther Lumsdon) writes:
>carole@rembrandt.Sun.COM (Carole Parker) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov20.224949.7360@netcom.com> afisher@netcom.com (Alan Fisher) writes:
>>>
>   [  deleted text  ]
>>        The fact that you have "excellent" health.  Everyone is assumed to
>>        have excellent health because no one will put that they have poor
>>        health.  If you have a disability that everyone can see, you should
>>        mention it.
>
>I don't think I agree with Carole Parker's statement here.  I am not
>in the position of "having a disability that everyone can see", so
>perhaps I do not understand the issues here.  Can anyone state what
>agencies who train and place disabled people in jobs recommend?
> 
Disabilities that everyone can see include mobility problems or problems
that obviously affect communication ability.  Companies do not necessarily
discriminate against handicaps partly because they get benefits from the
government.

Enlightened companies are willing to work around disabilities provided they
know what they are and what they have to do to accomodate the disability.


I found myself. See? I'm right here! Until later--

Carole Parker
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub)
Subject: Re: Query on Vector Marketing Corporation
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:36:52 GMT

In article <1hsi2sINNhf7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cb926@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Edmund Joseph Ryan) writes:
>
>Greetings,
>
>I responded to an add at my college for a position at Vector
>Marketing Corporation. The corp. was created by the forty-year
>old Alcas Corp. to market the Cutco set--high quality knives.
>I am interested in hearing about anybody's experience with 
>this company.   
>
>As for my experience, so far I've attended two of their seminars.
>I was hired to be a salesman to do direct selling. This is what
>was described to me: 
>
>As a member of the team, one would first pitch to their neighbors
>and get referrences. From there, I would visit the houses of 
>those referrals. I was told to get ten leads per visit so that
>my potential customer base expands at a very high rate. I would
>be required to rent a sample set of cutlery or buy it. 
>Rent costs $50 for the first month and $25 for the rest. 
>Workers in Vector get Cutco products for 65% of the official
>price. 
>
>What got me suspicious about the company was that the cutlery
>was a lot of money nonetheless a bargain. I talk with a few
>of my neighbors, and they told me some negative stories about
>experiences of friends they knew who took the job. 
>
>At the seminar, the supervisor told us that you would get a
>sale 6 out of 10 times with an average of $126. The seminar
>itself was very thorough in detailing how to make a    
>presentation and close the sale. 
>
>I would appreciate any information--positive or negative.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Virtually,
>
>Edmund J. Ryan


A friend of mine worked for Vector for a while, selling those knives.
I bought three of them.  I would say they're quite expensive, probably
a hard sell during a recession, but of excellent quality.  The carver I
bought is the best cutting knife I've ever used.  If he hadn't quit
the business I'd buy a couple more, and so would a couple of friends
to whom I referred him.  Might be worth working for them just to get
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From: snoopy@sopwith.uucp (Snoopy)
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Welcome to misc.jobs!
Summary: Monthly informational posting.  Please READ!!!
Date: 1 Jan 93 09:01:24 GMT
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From: shoroff@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Srihari Shoroff)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Companies ack of receipt of resume...
Date: 30 Dec 92 05:33:01 GMT
Organization: Univ of Texas at Austin

In article <C00193.BMq@ulowell.ulowell.edu> djohnson@cs.ulowell.edu (Daniel T. Johnson) writes:
>
>In article <246@cnmhnet.UUCP>, keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
>|> goes something like "...although your qualifications were excellent,
>|> we have found someone else who more closely fit our needs...  However,
>|> we will keep your resume on file and if a position develops that fits
>|> your qualifications, we will contact you..."  I HATE THESE LETTERS!
>|> I would almost rather NOT hear anything than to get one of these letters!
>|> --Keith
>|> 
>Hey I got that exact line once in one of my rejection letters .  I think they are funny.  It kind of makes you wonder what they were thinking when they originally wrote the letters.
>

Donno how widespread the use is, but some of us here at UT call them 
ESD ('Eat Shit and Die') letters. Seems very appropriate. Even the best
get 'em, and sometimes get a job with the same company later!

Srihari
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From: smaripur@feds70.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Satish Maripuri)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Test
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:55:31 GMT
Organization: Computervision Corp.


 This is just a test
From: carole@rembrandt.Sun.COM (Carole Parker)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Companies ack of receipt of resume...
Date: 29 Dec 1992 07:15:33 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: rembrandt

In article <q#-rn9+@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>Do companies not acknowledge receipt of resumes anymore? It is certainly
>seeming that way in my latest job search....
>I can understand if I sent the company a resume cold, but I've only sent
>out resumes from ads, and have recieved what I feel is a low percentage
>of acknowledgements- less than 25% for resumes 3+ weeks mailed. Is that
>a low percentage or am I just being unlucky here?
>Opinions?

Don't forget, you're not the only one responding.  Most companies try to
respond but can't because of the number of resumes they receive.  Keep
plugging away.  I've received responses two and three months later.


I found myself. See? I'm right here! Until later--

Carole Parker
From: david.tollerson@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (David Tollerson) 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: SUMMER EMPLOYMENT IN NEW
Date: 28 Dec 92 02:27:00 GMT
Distribution: world
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Reply-To: david.tollerson@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (David Tollerson) 

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu (Larry Mulcahy)
Subject: Re: Ack --- I'm graduating in less than 5 months!!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 14:07:52 GMT

Overcome by nausea on 20 Dec 92 09:10:01 GMT, Ranjan Drzzzzt!  Bagchi
(bagchi@eecs.umich.edu) retched up these words::

: 	What I'm asking is what I should do.  My general strategy is
: to post to m.j.r (once? every month? week?), respond to advert's on
: m.j.o (always through the proper channels -- no unwanted e-mail from
: me, I'll blow the .29c) and use the campus recruiters.  Is that
: thorough enough?  Seeing as I pretty desparately want to leave
: Michigan, should I dig up copies of the San Francisco Chronicle?  The
: Austin paper?  Seattle Times?  

My feeling is that misc.jobs is not going to be enough.  Only about
1/10 of my jobs leads are from m.j.o.  If you haven't found anything
by the time you graduate I would say move to the city where you want
to live and job hunt there, flipping burgers if necessary until
something turns up.  Openings where they are willing to fly you in for
an interview are pretty rare.  You can probably get those newspapers
in your library.  Unfortunately, employers rarely start recruiting for
someone to hire in a couple of months, so starting your search months
early is not as helpful as you may think.

PS: except where they say NO EMAIL, I don't think recruiters hate
email unless, as that one guy was pointing out, you aren't qualified.
I guess since it is `free,' lots of job hunters are scattergunning
their resumes every which way.  

Larry Mulcahy
lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu
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