HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cklin@csie.nctu.edu.tw (Little Devil)
Subject: Why am I be disop?
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:44:08 GMT


It's really confusing... why I am being disop in #hk by HKServ.
I insisted that I am not doing anything wrong( no kicking, no abusing the
privilege of op), I just op somebody while HKServ disop me afterwards and
here came the reply : 
	" Make the op conventional way.. ! "

	Ohhhhhh, what's it al over...? why? Can somebody give me a suitable
answer? 
							Little Devil. 
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: More #Twilight_Zone double standards
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:16:24 GMT

In article <cgw.719113552@sol> cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu (christopher williams) writes:

>Uh, pardon? KILL is a legitimate response to a mass-kick; "legitimate"
>chanop or not.

Uh, pardon? I don't understand the use of "legitimate response" in
conjunction with the word KILL. Perhaps we should require an operator
on every channel to insure that nobody says any bad words? Oh, wait,
that doesn't help acomplish the goal of eliminating the need for
operators.

>Pardon me for doubting the sanity and logic of that...
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: mrgreen@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew green)
Subject: Re: Party in Boston to honour WiZ's visit.
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 04:48:08 GMT

Why don't you American's keep the distribution of this thread
to America?  Oh, thats right, the world IS America isn't it..  8)

..
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: cs331333@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs331333)
Subject: sgi
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:54:03 GMT

	Anybody know of a compiled ircII for SGI?
Newsgroups: alt.irc,alt.ircii
From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: The Rules file(s)
Followup-To: poster
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 08:28:16 GMT

In the ircII distribution there are two files dealing with "rules" on IRC.
Those files have my name and a wrong email adress inside.

I have three times requested the current ircII maintainer to change the
files. 

As it is now I get a lot of emails to the wrong adress requesting HELP
on LOCAL IRC matters. 
"I can't connect to IRC, why ?"  This is the most frequent one (9 out of 
10 mails). Since I'm just a human and a stupid norwegian I don't know 
every site on the Internet I can't answer those local questions.

What I have requested the ircII maintainer to do is:
  
  1. Remove any disclaimers.
  2. Remove my email adress.

This has NOT been done yet.

This notice is PUBLIC, for now on I will not answer anymore questions 
about local IRC matters, or matters about Rules on IRC.

If you maintain your local IRCII client, please change those files as
requested above.


\Ruben.

-- 
        Ove Ruben R Olsen a Gnarfer and VI user. EMAIL: ruben@uib.no. 
     Maintaining the EX/VI-archive and a couple of the Comp.Editors FAQs.
    People that are ignorant tend to live a frustrated life, at least when 
     it comes to editing - But I do belive this is a general rule in life
Newsgroups: alt.irc,alt.irc.ircii,news.answers
From: asamonte@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
Subject: Re: extro.ucc.su.oz.au and problem users
Organization: Nothing worth mentioning...
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 05:54:08 GMT

avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) was telling me...
>asamonte@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...) writes:
>[...]
>>>
>>>> - Allow an invite to get somebody through a ban.  I really like this idea,
>>>>   and it sounds very easy to implement... it would reduce the effectiveness
>>>>   of one person banning everybody in existence, yet not go so far as
>>>>   removing bans altogether ...
>>>
>>>There would be one condition with this: invites would be broadcast to
>>>channels.  This is why bans were given highher priority than invite.
>
>>In theory it sounds goo but in practice it's another matter.  Think about it.
>>The only place bans are really used are on #hotsex, #hottub, #hack, #gblf, and 
>>#TZ (I should say over used)  And most people on that channel get auto opped.
>>Now if you ban someone, the banned person probably has an oppped buddy on the
>>channel to just invite them back.
>
>This is a social problem and you can't solve social problems with technical
>solutions (as has been shown).  You can reduce the social problem or put
>it somewhere else.

And you can't solve the problem by ignoring it.  You may not be able to 
solve it, but you can make it less of a problem.

>If someone on a channel removes a ban and another chanop doesn't agree,
>then they have sevral options.  These types of situations and problems
>won't be solved with any amount of ease if the parties involved don't
>agreea

So that's why you change the code to make it so it will make that decision
easier, or non existant.

-Alex
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 15:48:05 CDT
From: LINDA GEHARD <U43405@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Hmmm...

Hiya, Jizzie! ;) yes...I got it!!

-Linda (Marie1- the one, the ONLY!)
"Look out for number one...but don't step in number two ;)"
From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Some problems...
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:45:38 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <1992Oct13.193220.1400@msus1.msus.edu> g00023@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:

>  >> For some
>  >> reason, the /part command dumps me from the IRC system, not just the
>  >> channel.  What am I supposed to do?
>  >
>  >???  Never heard of that... are you using a very old client, perhaps?
>  
>  I *just* downloaded this file off nsd.bu.edu, it was called
>  irc173a.exe.  I would assume that it was the current VMS version. 

I'm using (among others :-) VMS IRC 1.7.3 (not sure about the 'a') and
it works fine.

MfG,
        Olaf
-- 
    o     Olaf Titz - comp.sc.student - univ of karlsruhe - germany
 _ /<_    s_titz@iravcl.ira.uka.de - uknf@dkauni2.bitnet - praetorius@irc
(_)>(_)   +49-721-60439 - did i forget something?
In hardware engineering, Ohm's law and Maxwell's equations pale in
  importance and influence next to Murphy's law. - Gordon Bell
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon)
Subject: Old-time IRC user needs help
Originator: rvloon@triton.cv.ruu.nl
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:29:33 GMT
Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group

System-management paranoia strikes again: it is no longer possible to telnet
or setup a socket connection on port 6667. Because I still want to keep in
touch with my friends abroad, I would like to ask the IRC community the
following favor:

I would like to have access to a site to get on IRC; a telnettable connection
is all that is necessary. I don't need any diskspace, or system-facilities,
just a way to get on IRC. (ircII preferred).

As for my background, I am an old-time IRC user (using IRC for about 5 years
now), I wrote the IRC tutorials mentioned in the FAQ, did the XD88 port of
ircII. 

Any help appreciated. Thanks in advance,
-- 
Ronald van Loon (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) 3DCV Group, Utrecht, The Netherlands.

"I believe the word you are looking for is "AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!"
    - The Penguin (Batman ][)
From: mmigdol@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (michael a migdol)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Compiling IRC server on SysVR4 (Dell)
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:07:40 GMT
Reply-To: mmigdol@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (michael a migdol)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: mmigdol@grumpy.cc.utexas.edu

I'm trying to compile the IRC server on a Dell running Dell's SYSVR4 (2.1).
Has anyone else successfully compiled on this setup? Any suggestions/hints/
etc would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanx in advance.
-Michae
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: mrgreen@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew green)
Subject: Re: Party in Boston to honour WiZ's visit.
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:44:01 GMT

gwydion@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mercenary Programmer) writes:

>In article <mrgreen.718778888@munagin> mrgreen@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew green) writes:
>>Why don't you American's keep the distribution of this thread
>>to America?  Oh, thats right, the world IS America isn't it..  8)

>Oh, come on.. You means Aussie IRCers are not interested in general
>gossip and the movement of important IRC personalities?  Besides, I've
>had Aussies drop by at parties and stuff.  Ne'er know who might happen
>to be passing by and drop in.

Oh, its not that, its more, I don't really *care* how to get to the 
party, if you go north east, etc.

Matt..
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Some problems...
From: g00023@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Eric Hedlund)
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:32:20 -0600
Reply-To: g00023@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Oct12.084029.10357@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes:
>In <1992Oct12.010121.1387@msus1.msus.edu> g00023@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:

>Please, limit your lines to 70 chars... that makes reading and
>answering much easier... Thanks.

I believe I have done so now...

>
>> First of all, I'm having trouble leaving channels.  
>> For some
>> reason, the /part command dumps me from the IRC system, not just the
>> channel.  What am I supposed to do?
>
>???  Never heard of that... are you using a very old client, perhaps?

I *just* downloaded this file off nsd.bu.edu, it was called
irc173a.exe.  I would assume that it was the current VMS version. 
'Course, knowing my luck I could be wrong.


              (((() Tanta stultitia mortalium est. ())))
Eric Hedlund			Internet: G00023@Tigger.StCloud.MSUS.edu
St. Cloud State University		  CONSULT2@Tigger.StCloud.MSUS.edu
Room 504, W. W. Holes Hall         
St. Cloud, MN 56301-4498
From: troy@cbme.unsw.EDU.AU (Troy Rollo)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: More #Twilight_Zone double standards
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:21:32 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

From article <avalon.718990248@coombs>, by avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au:
> 
> You behaved antisocially and expected to be treated otherwise ?
> 

Boy, if everybody was treated as they deserved, you'd have a bullet in
your head right now, AvaLOG.

And no, I didn't expect anything else. We fully expected the quiche
eaters to react hypocritically. The second time, we just did it for
the logs.

Basically, I'm gathering a database of logs for a defence file for
people labelled "Vanity Ops". Having seen what the people who use the
term the most *really* get up to, the vanity ops have at least as
much justification for their existance as the quiche eaters.
--
__________________________________________________________________________
troy@cbme.unsw.EDU.AU	Overworked, overcommited and always multitasking.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: More #Twilight_Zone double standards
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:48:27 GMT

In article <avalon.718990248@coombs> avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au writes:

>You behaved antisocially and expected to be treated otherwise ?

It's my humble opinion that operators should not kill over mere
antisocial acts -- IRC has plenty of useful mechanisms for dealing
with antisocial users. That's why the real UVa server has no
operators, and no bogus operator kills.

Get with the program. Operator kills are lame.
Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
From: news@ousrvr.oulu.fi
Subject: yaz's irc-usage in October 1992
Organization: The Unofficial IRC-Addiction Clinic
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:18:59 GMT

(Sheesh, sorry if you read this twice: I accidently posted this first
 to alt.irc ... sleepy silly me.)

Hello there.  Here's some boring statistics about my irc-usage.

During Thu Oct  1 00 13 - Fri Oct  2 02 23
Your IRC usage has been: 718 minutes 
During Fri Oct  2 15 11 - Fri Oct  2 17 43
Your IRC usage has been: 9 minutes 
During Sat Oct  3 11 53 - Sat Oct  3 21 13
Your IRC usage has been: 150 minutes 
During Sun Oct  4 01 52 - Sun Oct  4 20 52
Your IRC usage has been: 182 minutes 
During Mon Oct  5 10 20 - Mon Oct  5 18 29
Your IRC usage has been: 32 minutes 
During Tue Oct  6 10 43 - Tue Oct  6 17 27
Your IRC usage has been: 72 minutes 
During Wed Oct  7 11 24 - Wed Oct  7 15 02
Your IRC usage has been: 29 minutes 
During Thu Oct  8 00 45 - Thu Oct  8 01 45
Your IRC usage has been: 32 minutes 
During Mon Oct 12 00 52 - Tue Oct 13 02 07
Your IRC usage has been: 394 minutes 

Looks like my trip to Estonia cut down my irc-usage (Oct 9.-11.) but
right after that break I have been idling on irc 394 minutes.

Out of 105205 minutes
During Sat Aug  1 00 42 - Tue Oct 13 02 07
Your IRC usage has been: 17651 minutes 

Well, that makes 16.7772000003140f the time.  Still quite bad.

--
Tuomas K.Kaikkonen   yaz@phoenix.oulu.fi  Here ,._/\
Taidonkaari 1 E 36   Tel:+358-81-5546081   I __`.  |
SF-90570 OULU        (_/ _  __            Live  /  |
FINLAND               I I-I /_                 |___/
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From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Newsgroups: alt.irc,alt.irc.ircii
Subject: Re: BI-WEEKLY: How to compile and install an IRC-II client
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:42:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.irc
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.

Fer> == Fer F.de Jong <fer@home.cern.ch> 

[........]
 Fer> 		irc.mit.edu		(For U.S.A.)
[........]

Nonononon! If you're in the US, *do not* use irc.mit.edu. It's a slug.
Try any of these:
East Coast: csd.bu.edu
Midwest: penfold.ece.uiuc.edu
Rocky Mtns: ucsu.colorado.edu
West Coast: badger.ugcs.caltech.edu

If you have any more questions on what to set your server to, connect to
one of these, and then ask in #Twilight_Zone (on irc) for which server
is best to connect to.

Or send me email.

--Helen
--
Helen Trillian Rose             	<hrose@eff.org, hrose@kei.com>
Electronic Frontier Foundation   	email eff@eff.org for EFF Info
Kapor Enterprises, Inc.                 Flames to: 
Systems and Networks Administration	women-not-to-be-messed-with@eff.org
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.elections
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 07 Oct 92 18:13 PDT
Subject: White Deer Speaks on Somalia
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1296500404:000:2515
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Oct  7 18:13:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: White Deer Speaks on Somalia

/* Written  6:10 pm  Oct  7, 1992 by dmorse in cdp:soc.cult.afric */
/* ---------- "White Deer Speaks on Somalia" ---------- */
Gary White Deer is a Choctaw artist whose design appears on a t-shirt
commemorating the Choctaw Trail of Tears.  The Irish group AFRI (Action
from Ireland) who recently walked the Trail of Tears with a group of
Choctaws, asked to use the t-shirt to commemorate their walk also.

This walk, as noted in previous posts, took place because the Choctaw
Nation, in 1847, hearing of the Irish potato famine, took up a collection,
and although the Choctaws were in great need at the time (they had
walked the Trail of Tears only 16 years before), the Choctaws collected
$710 for the Irish.

The walk together took place from mid-September to October 3, 1992.  Here is
a letter written by Gary White Deer about his design, and the walk, which
was used to collect funds for the relief of the Somalian famine.


     LETTER FROM GARY WHITE DEER TO DON MULLAN OF AFRI


Don:

     I am honored that your oranization will use my little Choctaw painting
as a t-shirt design to help relieve the Somalian famine...

     Hunger is no respecter of nations.  When my people were forced from 
their homelands by the American government, much of the massive loss of
Choctaw life was due to hunger... A few years afterward we took notice when
the Irish People were suffering from terrible famine, and although we had not 
yet recovered from our Trail of Tears, we sent your people sustenance.  Thus
a bond was made between the Irish and Choctaw Nations, woven of a measure
of human history and of human spirit.  We must again invoke a measure
of that spirit.

     Among the Choctaw it is important that our guests are asked,
"Impa chi bana?" or "Do you want to eat?"  We are taught that to feed others
is to help sustain human life....We further believe that our human spirits
also need to be fed, and that this may be done through sharing.  In the
sharing of food, therefore, sharer and receiver obtain both these kinds
of nourishment.  This is an old and simple teaching.

     As I mentioned, my mother is part Irish.  It will be a great and
wonderful thing if we reaffirm the bond between our two peoples by
feeding the People of Somalia.  We will be feeding our own spirits as
well....Our shared histories keep telling us this.

                             A friend,
                     
                           Gary White Deer

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From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Springtime for Honecker (part I)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 11:53:27 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

NEWS RELEASE
St. Louis, Missouri

Local Contact: Steve Dasbach, David Carr - 314-330-2018

October 11, 1992
1:00 PM CST

                   LIBERTARIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
                     BARRED FROM C-SPAN INTERVIEW BY
                           ST. LOUIS POLICE

ST. LOUIS -- Libertarian Party Presidential Candidate Andre Marrou, who
has been excluded from participation in the first Presidential Debates
tonight in St. Louis, today was barred by St. Louis Police from entering the
studio of C-SPAN for an 11:30 am interview and viewer call-in program.

Andre Marrou, who is on the ballot in all 50 states, had been scheduled to
appear on C-SPAN to discuss his exclusion from this evening's debates.  As
Marrou and C-SPAN interviewer Geoffrey Baum approached the C-SPAN
interview studio, they were blocked by St. Louis county police officers.  In
spite of Mr. Baum's verification of the scheduled interview, and in spite of
statements by a debate commission member that Mr. Marrou could be
permitted inside of the police lines, the police officers refused admission.

Hundreds of supporters of the Libertarian Party candidate have assembled
in St. Louis to protest Mr. Marrou's exclusion from the debates.  At 3:00
pm on campus, there will be a march demonstrating that Mr. Marrou is the
only candidate on the ballot in every state who will not be in this evening's
debate.  From 3:00 pm to 10:00 pm, Marrou supporters will demonstrate
outside the debate site at Washington University.

                                - END -
From: dliebman@terapin.com (David Liebman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Springtime for Honecker (part I)
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:12:05 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Oct12.193010.13582@clpd.kodak.com>, fischer@li.serum.kodak.com
(Chris Fischer (x39613)) writes:
>In article <67572@cup.portal.com> atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman) writes:
>>Hundreds of supporters of the Libertarian Party candidate have assembled
>>in St. Louis to protest Mr. Marrou's exclusion from the debates.  At 3:00
>>pm on campus, there will be a march demonstrating that Mr. Marrou is the
>>only candidate on the ballot in every state who will not be in this evening's
>>debate.  From 3:00 pm to 10:00 pm, Marrou supporters will demonstrate
>>outside the debate site at Washington University.
>>
>
>If this had happened to Larry Agran, Harel would have literally flooded 
>the net with an endless barrage of posts.

it _did_ happen to larry agran.  it also continues to happen to ron daniels
of the peace & freedom party, and perhaps others as well.

-dave
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 06 Oct 92 21:26 PDT
Subject: Re: NLNS: CHRISTIAN IDENTITY (UPDATED V
Nf-ID: #R:9209301854.AA02095@igc.apc.org:-935955585:cdp:1296500400:000:1558
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Oct  6 21:26:00 1992



State-enforced austerity is not a central characteristic of
fascism.

Fascism

Chip's definition:

Extreme racial or cultural nationalism combined with economic
corporatism and authoritarian autocracy; masked during its rise to
state power by pseudo-radical populist appeals to overthrow a
conspiratorial elitist regime; spurred by a strong charismatic
leader whose reactionary ideas are said to organically express the
will of the masses who are urged to engage in a heroic collective
effort to attain a metaphysical goal against the machinations of a
scapegoated demonized adversary.

- - -

Definition excepted from "A Dictionary of Political Tought" by
Roger Scruton.  (The Macmillan Press, London, 1982, p. 169)

"An amalgam of disparate conceptions...more notable as a political
phenomenon on which diverse intellectual influences converge than
as a distinct idea; as political phenomenon, one of its most
remarkable features has been the ability to win massive popular
support for ideas that are expressly anti-egalitarian."

"Fascism is characterised by the following features (not all of
which need be present in any of its recognized instances):
nationalism; hostility to democracy, to egalitarianism, and to the
values of the enlightenment; the cult of the leader, and
admiration for his special qualities; a respect for collective
organization, and a love of the symbols associated with it, such
as uniforms, parades and army discipline."

"The ultimate doctrine contains little that is specific, beyond an
appeal to energy, and action."

- - -

Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.elections
From: ecologycntr@igc.apc.org (Ecology Center)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Green peace [con]fusion
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:14:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Oct6.035551.5239@pony.ingres:-1232094686:cdp:1296500410:000:393
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ecologycntr    Oct 12 17:14:00 1992


OK, then, from someone who DOES know something about fusion, but
who still thinks it's a bad idea:

What about Tritium? It's bad enough having a relatively
containable element such as Thorium sitting around decaying, but
when you start talking about a gaseous, lighter than air and
flammable substance which would immediately become part of the
biosphere on its release, I get spooked.

chris
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