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From: nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Kennel Info Help
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:45:11 GMT
Reply-To: nih00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
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Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug26.230112.11595@u.washington.edu> martin@biostat.washington.edu (Don Martin) writes:
>In article <l9n8ieINNj5i@news.bbn.com> ryuen@BBN.COM (Ray Yuen) writes:
>>
>>
>>Has anyone ever heard of a kennel (private breeder?) out in the midwest
>>called SunDowner?  There is a pet shop here in Boston that advertises
>>that they don't buy their dogs from puppy mills, but I know that they
>>buy from a place called SunDowner.  Any info is greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>-Ray Yuen  (ryuen@bbn.com)
>
>There is a reputable Old English Sheepdog Kennel outside
>of Baltimore Maryland that is named Sundowner. Jack
>and Betsey Lenard. 
>
>Please do not confuse them with any kind of puppy mill.
>These are show breeders wwith very high standards. They
>are very careful about who they sell too, OFA and check 
>eyes on all breeding stock and so on.
>
>Don Martin
>Widdershins Old English Sheepdogs

I have also bred under the name of Sundowner for 24 years.

Neil Hamilton
Sundowner Terriers
Kerry Blue Terriers
Norwich Terriers
Norfolk Terriers
From: winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Are dogs color blind?
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:23:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <BtK09D.9ru@hsi.com>, hecht@hsi.com (Alice Hecht) wrote:
> 
> I remember hearing a long time ago that dogs are color blind.  Is this true?

Dogs are unable to distinguish some colors from others. So I guess
that, in a sense, dogs are color blind. But they definetly see color.
Recently, the AKC Gazette had a very good article on how dogs see
colors but I do not remember the month or year.  The "Reader's Guide
to Periodical Literature" should have a reference....

Scott Winders
winders@aux.support.apple.com

"My opinions are my own, not my employer's"
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Puppy ID collars
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:55:55 GMT

In <16850898C.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu> X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>
>A local breeder recently got into some serious trouble (with a puppy
>buyer) when the they donated a pup to WHAT (Wetland Habitat Alliance
>of Texas - like Ducks Unlimited) to be actutioned at the annual
>banquet.  Turns out that the pup they brought to the auction was one
>that they alread had a deposit on, they had meant to bring a littermate.
>They hadn't been marking the pups and I think they still don't; some
>people just don't learn from their mistakes!
>
>BTW:  how do you (cindy & liza) feel about donating pups to organization
>like DU (ducks unlimited) to sell at auction?

Without knowing anything more than what you've written here, I have
absolutely no information on which to make an informed comment.

Uninformed comment: If I were a breeder, I wouldn't do it.  I would
prefer to screen all my buyers personally, and it does not sound like
you have that option if the puppy is auctioned off.  Sounds
reprehensible.

Is there more information than this?  What do YOU think?

--Cindy


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From: maryd@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (M.Dugan)
Subject: Re: Feeding Dogs Veggies and Fruit?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:50:55 GMT

bmahony@neumann.une.edu.au (Speedy Cevichi,Pizza Hut,Little Tokyo,555-pizza cats) writes:

>However, I don't have stews very often and I was wondering how you feed your dogs veges?
>Do you have any special way that you feed them those?
>I wouldn't think dogs would eat them straight...
>If you have any tips I'd very much apreciate em =)

>Thanks

I feed my YA Lab fresh fruits & veggies all the time.  We toss them
to her when we're preparing a meal in the kitchen.  It must be the
smell, because as soon as I start tearing lettuce or paring carrots,
she's right there with her whole arsenal of beggar's tricks.  She
also loves potatoes, celery, corn, beans -- you name it.  The only
thing she spits out is green pepper, which reinforces my feeling that
she's just one of the kids. :-)

We've been sharing fruit with her since she was a pup.  The smell of
a banana makes her drool; no one in the house has eaten a whole one
in 2 years.

We've never given her cooked vegtables, since that's "people" food
served at the table.  I did not want a dog who begs during meal time,
and she doesn't.
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Snake Proofing
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:30:37 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

Another place that does snake proofing is:

			Acoma Training Center
			321 Wyoming Blvd. SE
			Albuquerque, NM
			(505) 268-3391

They typically offer the snake proofing session at the end of an
obedience class.  There method (which also seems to work) is to
have all the handlers (owners) walk their dogs around the training
area on-lead with choke chains while the trainer/instructor walks
about the center with a very large bull snake (or other
nonpoisonous snake) and, at random, lunges at a dog pushing the
snake out toward the dog and yelling.  Beforehand, the handlers are
told to say nothing to the dog, to make a choke-chain correction,
and to hurry away from the snake as though frightened.  I believe
that we were also told to yell in "fright."  The idea being to make
the dog believe that the handler is afraid of the snake and to
transfer that fear to the dog.

(I've read of using similar methods to teach a dog to fear
traffic.)



-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
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From: scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com (scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com)
Subject: Lil' dudes in my yard!!
Reply-To: scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Huntsville, Alabama
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 20:13:23 GMT

Guess what!  I've adopted the two cutes boys in the world!
After a long search and an even longer negotiation, I've
adopted Moses and Elijah, two Rottweiler brothers.  They are
8 weeks old this week and having a wonderful time with all
of their new toys and the big yard to play in.  Sometimes
Elijah gets a little rough with Moses, but I watch and make
sure it's all in fun.  I am so completely enthralled with
them!  I would never have believed it could happen this way
again after Jake...and Tucker...

They love the house.  They love the yard.  They love the car.
They are so energetic and eager to explore!  I just love having
Rottie babies at my house.  The reason I got two was so they
could keep each other company while I am away on business.
I can tell that they are much happier with each other than 
either of my boys before had been.  They always seemed so
lonesome while I was away, but these guys are fine all of the
time!

I've already started with the important commands, like "No"
and their names (actually got them responding to only their
own names yesterday!) but we're taking it easy.  No rush at
all.  We're going to be together for years and years to come!
(I sincerely hope.)

Just wanted to share my good news.  Thanks again so much to
all of you who were so much help to me with my other boys.
I'm storing up many good stories for you all in the future!

			Gleefully,
			G. Scott Downey
			Mo's & Eli's Dad (RottMonsters)


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From: vusl@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (VU Science Library)
Subject: Re: feeding times (was: New Puppy - Need Advice!!)
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:01:15 GMT

>>>>   In our case, I leave
>>>>   food and water for her at all times, again since we're not home during
>>>>   the day.
>>>
>>>Water, yes.  Food, no.  Only put down the amount of food that the pup
>>>will consume in 1 sitting, and take the remainder away.
>>
>>Why do you think this is so important?
> 
>For the same reason that it's not good for people to eat several dozen
>times a day, they get fat.  At least that's the reasoning behind
>following what people have been telling me for centuries.

But that does not make any sense.  People don't get fat if they eat when
they are hungry, they get fat when they overeat.  If dogs are given access
to unlimited food, they soon learn that the food will be there when they
are hungry and they will eat when they are hungry.  Every instance I know
of when a dog has gone nuts and severely overeaten has been when they have
gotten into the stash they were usually kept out of.

					Carlin
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From: kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu 
Subject: German Wirehair Pointers
Originator: usenet@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:25:00 GMT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University Computing Services, Norman, OK

Hi Todd,
	I tried to e-mail this but it kept bouncing!  It's great to hear
from someone that has a German Wirehair Pointer!  
	No we are not involved with NSTRA.  I would only let my husband get
a hunting dog if she was AKC registered so I could go to obedience trials with
her.  She has turned out to be a really great obedience dog, she takes it so
seriously.  You should try it with yours!
	Black GWP's are severely penalized in the AKC conformation ring.  I 
don't think I have ever seen one.  ELsa is almost solid liver also.

	Sorry to bore everyone else!

............................................................................
Kathy Greenwood                | Mom to 
Math Major (believe it or not!)|   Loucha and Landry (Belgian Sheepdogs)
University of Oklahoma         |   Ruger (English Springer Spaniel)
                               |   Elsa (German Wirehair Pointer)
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From: mlinda@novell.com (M'Linda Taylor)
Subject: Re: dogs and pickup trucks (sad)
Keywords: I second the motion!!!! 
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:10:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.055756.16917@pbs.org> dnoll@pbs.org writes:
>I just want to plead with all of you who put your dogs 
>in the back of open pickup trucks to reconsider!
>
>Here's why:
<Lead up deleted>
One of the dogs jumped from the truck.  The stupid
>chain was long enough to let the dog reach the street.
>The man drove for quite a distance, without knowing what
>had happened, before he was stopped!  
>
>Fortunately (?) for the dog, no bones were broken, but all
>of his feet were totally mangled and torn away.  He will be
>confined, and unable to walk for about three months.
>

On the other hand a pitbull I used to know (Cranium) did the
same number and had to have a foreleg *amputated* at the
shoulder.  He has recovered but has almost no directional
control (when running) and the only way he can really stop
(again when running) is to plow into a shrub or person.
Poor old "tripod" dude.  He's only two and will have to go
the rest of life out of balance.  It's a real shame.  No,
make that a crime.

If my Ivan ever HAS to travel in the bed of the truck it will
be IN HIS SECURED KENNEL.  If I can't find a way to tie down
the kennel, he either stays home or rides up front with his
doggy "seatbelt".  Same for my cats.  (Not a bad idea....if
they are in a kennel in the bed of the truck I won't have to
listen to them cursing me....nah.....better keep them in the
cab.)  

Oops, have to start earning my keep....
M'Linda
Ivan's Mom
and Rio-the-LOUD and Thomasina-the-cute's Mom-cat.
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From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Subject: Re: Hunting ability in Labradors
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:48:58 GMT

Dave Butler, in a well-thought out article, asserts that no Labrador
Retriever should be allowed to be a Champion without passing a basic
hunting test.  

The Labrador Retriever Club, Inc. (the National club for the Lab, hereafter
the LRC) has a rule such as that in place.  They require that show
champions must pass the WC (Working Certificate) test before the are
Champions.   They can only enforce this with members of the club, and even
then they can't really enforce it.  I don't hear complaints from the show
community about this.

The WC is a simple, easy test of instincts.  It really does require a
minimum of training.  It's mainly to be sure that the dogs are not gun-shy,
that they are interested in birds, have drive, will retrieve, swim, etc.
In other words that they have the raw material to be hunting dogs.

I would also like to point out that there is no similar requirement for
Field Champions -- in other words, they don't have to pass a test that says
they meet the breed standard for the Labrador.  I'd like to see that
instituited as well.  They should have SC (Standard Certificates, or
something) where the dog appears before a judge, who goes over it and says,
that the dog either meets or does not meet the breed standard.

As I've said before, it is important to recognize all-aspects of the breed,
not just the ones that YOU find to be important.

In terms of show breeders ruining the breed, I think that we are very
fortunate in the breed of Labs in that we have the most popular dog in the
country (as of this year -- and I'd like to see us loose that dubious
honor) and yet, we are not the top winning breed in the show ring.  Labs
are not "flashy" enough to win Best In Shows very often.  I think that is a
saving grace for the breed.  Now, if we can just get the backyarders to
stop breeding indiscriminantly.

--lizalee

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Cibola Labradors            Field * Show * Fun                    415/326-5309
Cibola's Misty Mountain Hop--Hopper                   Mistypoint Kashmir--Kash
Talimar All-Pro At Delby--Niner          Campbellcroft Cibola Rosette -- Rosie
From: krieger@egnext3.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Karen Krieger)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hot dog
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:32:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.102447.1@opal.tufts.edu> gbelli@opal.tufts.edu  
writes:
>  in the heatall day.  It gets about 80 degrees inside.  What can I do to
>  make him more comfortable ?  Obviously, I've left him extra water (with 
> ice--don't laugh!), but what else can I do?  Also, what are signs of 

I'm not laughing - I leave my dog ice water on hot days as well. She can  
stay outside or go in the garage, which is where I find her on hot days -  
on cold concrete! If yours is an inside dog, I would suggest you pick up  
the bathroom rugs so your beagle can lay on the tile floor (if possible).  
I also give my dog gator-aid when we go to picnics and hot places. See if  
your dog likes that during the day when you're gone.  
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From: macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA)
Subject: Re: SHOCK COLLARS (go ahead flame ME!!)
Summary: yes I have
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.154058.2094@unislc.uucp>, abb@unislc.uucp (Anne Beck) writes:
> > 
> May patience stand you in good stead when your dog leaps the fence, runs
> into a car, and is smashed in the road.  You obviously have dealt only with
> "amenable" dogs.  Please re-read Terry's post about his dog and cars.  
> Sometimes it is the ONLY answer.  And if your dog ignores you voice JUST
> ONCE, you've taught him that he can win.  Bad news, that.  May patience
> keep your dogs from snakes.  May patience keep your dogs from another dog.
>
	I regret to say yes, I have lost a dog to a car. My beloved Dominic waschasing a ball and hit. As a result all my dogs and many of the others I instructed were taught to sit as soon as they came to a road.

This has only one side effect- My father complains it takes twice as long to jog in the mornings because "The bloody dogs keep stopping!!"
It also makes for problems when we do demonstrations on tarmac...but general consenus is we have the security of knowing our dogs _will_ stop.

> I'm sorry, but my voice is NOT used to correct.  My voice is used to issue
> a command.  If the dog ignores it, then the dog gets a correction.
> Angry voices don't belong in dog training.
>
a	 I never said angry voices.  Have you tried using different tones of voice? Light and happy for praise, medium for commands and a deeper growl for a corerction.  Remember, its not what you say, but how you say it. :)

> Have you put a shock collar on your hands yet? 
Yes I have, I was given the collar when the trainer (abuser?) was "training" the Cocker. I would not class the experience as enjoyable, while not painful, . all the same I would not want one around my neck while I was trying to understand what was happening.

					
					Until you do that, please
> refrain from these mindless responses. 
    :)

	I agree that the first example
> you gave was a wonderful example of a brainless trainer ruining a
> puppy.  But you don't seem to have read the other anecdotes that people
> who have actually used shock collars have sent in.  Charlie's 
> response about using electronics for proofing and correction was excellent
> and true.  You should never use a shock collar in the teaching
> phase, only in the corrective or proofing phases.  You obviously aren't
> listening. 
> 
> I know.  We should all be patient and use our voices.  This voice
> is saying, if you don't know what you're talking about, shut up.  Please.
> (that's a whisper.)
>	My sentiments exactly. :)!

> > 	Amanda MacKinnell
> > 
> > 	"Cry havoc and let slip the Dogs of War"
> > 
> Tut tut.  Using dogs in war is cruel!  

>	I see, 3 points: a) thats a quote from Shakespeare,
			 b) "ADFA" is the Australian Defence Force Academy, and
			 c) Dont you approve of Drug Squad Dogs?????? 

	Amanda

	- the Sentiments expressed in this article are mine, and not those of The Royal Australian Navy-
From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Addresses for catalogs?
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:33:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BtyosM.982
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab


Hi Everyone!

Thanks to several people who were REALLY quick, might I say, I
have the addresses and phone numbers I was looking for! I have 
just moved the whole list of them into a file which I will keep 
forever! Thanks again!!!

Kay Schlumpf & Crew
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu
Subject: vet services fees
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:47:38 GMT

Hey everyone -

I all of a sudden feel like maybe I am getting over charged for vet 
services.  I was wondering if any of you have ever changed vets simply
because maybe you thought that a) your vet wasn't fabulous anyway, and then 
b) found out that their office visit, booster shots, and normal office 
procedures were more expensive than others around town?

I feel like someone who has car insurance with a particular company for 
awhile and never thought to check around for pricing, and then, all of a 
sudden feels like they are being taken advantage of, but can't decide if the 
change to a new vet is worth it...

Any thoughts?

office visit = $28
urinalysis = $25
From: cbrand@cac.washington.edu (Carol Brand)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs and Jogging
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:42:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep1.184231.17052
Distribution: usa
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing

In article <1992Aug31.182814.260@eos.arc.nasa.gov> dencisco@eos.arc.nasa.gov (David Paul Encisco) writes:
>Should one wait until their dog is a certain age
>before one takes them jogging? Maybe I should be
>more specific since different breeds develop at
>different rates. But it would seem to me that not
>all breeds are suited for jogging (actually I run,
>not jog). Which brings me to my second question. 
>What breeds like to run with their owners?

Yes, not all breeds are good jogging companions.  I'm assuming now
that you mean a dog who stays by your side and maintains your pace. 
My Smooth Fox Terrier can go for hours when I go out trail riding (at
the end, when the horse and I are tired, Trixie wants to go out
again).  Trixie, however, can not jog next to me on leash.  This is
because she tends to move in bursts.  Our cadence and tempo are
totally out of sinc. 

Dogs I would recommend as good jogging companions: Visla,
Weimerunner(sp), Dalmation, Standard Poodle, or the Setters (English,
Irish, Gordon). 

As far as age goes, talk to the breeder.  You will need to be
sensitive to their growing bones, joints etc.

Let us know what you decide to go with!

-CAROL
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From: vusl@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (VU Science Library)
Subject: feeding times (was: New Puppy - Need Advice!!)
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:02:22 GMT

>>   In our case, I leave
>>   food and water for her at all times, again since we're not home during
>>   the day.
> 
>Water, yes.  Food, no.  Only put down the amount of food that the pup
>will consume in 1 sitting, and take the remainder away. 

Why do you think this is so important?  When I got Hamlet (Dobe X)
I was told that large breeds (including Dobes) sometimes had problems
when they ate too much.  Their stomachs would bloat and distend and that
the way to avoid this was to keep food available for them contiuously.  I
have been doing this with Hamlet for 4 years.  
	As it turns out he usually
waits and eats after dark, when my husband and I have gone to bed (I
suspect there was some rough treatment from a previous owner when it came 
to food and Hamlet likes to eat when he isn't being watched).  But he
sometimes eats during the day while we are gone.  We've never had a 
problem with his weight.  And I have found he is less 
likely to get destructive due to the hunger grouchies if he has food during
the day.
	Why do you say dogs should not have food left
during the day?
		Carlin
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