From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Yea, SURE IT'S VERBATIM! (Was: What pro-lifers don't tell you)
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:14:53 GMT
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr8.001959.27280@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:
>rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis) writes:

>>Just to make sure everyone understands *my* position on this, the reason
>>I have flamed everyone BUT Kellmeyer on this one is that my purpose is to
>>get the references stopped; I care not how. They get stopped quicker if you
>>ignore Kellmeyer's 198+ lines of total bullshit than 
>
>If it's such "total bullshit", Nora, why the hell don't you demonstrate
>how ALL of those references are incorrect?  Or how ANY of the references
>provided is incorrect?  It ain't bullshit if it's documented fact.  I
>provided the damned documentation, and you people STILL insist it's
>"bullshit".  Well, pardon me if historical fact doesn't happen to match
>your dreams or your nightmares, (I suspect that, as far as Nora is 
>concerned, if the Holocaust hadn't happened, she'd be on about Masada
>and Italians).

>Quite frankly, you have not ONE DAMN THING YOU *CAN* REFUTE IN THAT 
>ARTICLE. 
>
>THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S TRUE.

I don't care whether it's true or not, Steven -- it's irrelevant to
the discussion since nobody here cares, it's dangerous, and it has no
place in the verbal arsenal of ANYONE who considers himself to be pro-
"life", unless, as in your case, they do not consider Jews to qualify
as life.

>Look, you can call me any damn thing you want, but when you call
>me a Nazi, you had DAMN well better be smiling.  

Well I'm not, Steven; what are you planning on doing about it? Is
the facade of respecting the sanctity of life starting to slip, so
you can make half-open threats? Have a good time...

>>I don't know which and I don't
>>care, but if I take the issue up with him again it'll be over a piece of
>>middle-eastern desert with a rifle in my hands.
>
>I suspected as much.  You would kill with no less compunction than
>those bastards you claim to hate.  

I would kill to protect my life, my family, and my country; yes. And
with no compunction whatsoever. If you try to take that piece of middle
eastern desert from me, to kill those who live on it, then I will shoot
you down as the monster you'd be.

>Has it ever occurred to you that
>the Nazi legacy of hatred might live on in the people they taught 
>how to hate?  

Yes. This is why we take such precautions to make sure we err on the 
side of acceptance, that we do not hate unjustly.

I have never seen anything wrong with hating those who deserve it. This
is a lot better than you appear to be doing, with your threats and your
bile and your slow, piecemeal attempts at murder. 

>And no, I'm not referring just to the Jews.  A lot
>of people died by their hands, Jews predominate but not to exclusion.
>A lot of people are being killed today, the economically inconvenient
>predominate, but not to exclusion.

And the only thing you do about it is to try and kill more people by
your screams of the wolf in the shadows, over and over. You save not
one fetus by such hysteria, as you well know. That's not your purpose.
Your purpose is to kill those you really hate, and your precious 'unborn'
are simply a tool to that end.

>One last thought, Nora.  About testing for Tay-Sachs disease.  If a Nazi
>really wanted to kill the Jews, it would be very simple today.  Fake
>the lab results, and tell them the kid has Tay-Sachs.  Convince them
>to abort and try again.  

Convincing them would take a lot of doing, in most cases, Steven --
there are rules for when abortion is permitted under Jewish law, and
Tay-Sachs is not among them.

>Don't bother to tell them that abortion 
>increases the risk of miscarriage for succeeding pregnancies up to
>8-fold.  Don't tell them it also increases the risk for maternal death
>in subsequent pregnancies.  

Don't stop to consider that Jews may be able to find out things for
themselves, don't stop to consider the fact that most Jews are treated
in Jewish hospitals by Jewish doctors because of the way a lot of Christian
doctors will look at someone whose appointment sheet lists a Jewish name,
don't worry about the entire small proud nation full of them, halfway
around the world... you can always get those with gas, later, if you've
lulled the decent gentiles into being sick and tired of the subject and
convinmaking a fuss over nothing...

How familiar are you with that kind of gas, Steven? Learn fast; we're
getting stronger.

>Steve

	-Nora
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