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From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Quick band-ish question....
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:01:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.201656.25717@newstand.syr.edu>, jmoulton@mothra.syr.EDU (Ana Ng) writes:
> In article <jgladu-111292091144@128.249.27.63> jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu)) writes:
>>The MOB doesn't.  There are *no* "greeks" (frats/sororities) at Rice. 
> 				  ^^^^^^^^
> Sorry, I just hate being classified in the same genre as social greek
> organizations. I just think our purpose is different, which is why we're
> 'honorary'. 
> 
> Just wanted to clarify.
> -Jen
> 
> 
Does this comparison happen frequently with you?  If so, then that would be
kind of surprising because C.U.'s chapter of KKY is never perceived of in the
highly negative way that fraternities/sorities are around here (that I know of 
at least).  In fact, I don't really perceive of them at all.  They do seem to 
have quite a few members and are involved with many different activities, 
judging from all the announcements they have after practice, but I really 
couldn't point out just who is in KKY because they haven't established some
separate or exclusive identity.
							Charles Holt
From: gitlin@sophia.smith.edu (Carole Gitlin)
Subject: Re: Credit for band?
Keywords: (remember distribution usa)
Organization: Smith College
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:03:37 GMT

>In article <1992Dec18.003311@IASTATE.EDU> knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites) writes:
>>I was just wondering what kind of credit you guys get for beibg in your marching
>>bands.  At Iowa State we practice an hour and a half each weekday and about an
>>hour on gamedays for one credit and no grade!  I know some bands get more
>>credit, and some get a grade to go into their GPA.  What's the scoop?

In the UMass/Amherst band regular members get 2 credits, with practices
being 1hr 20 minutes every weekday and about 3.5 hrs before games.  Members
who are on the administrative staff of the band get an additional 2 credits.
I'm fairly sure they it also counts in the GPA, but I don't go to the
unvirsity so I'm not sure (the school I go to gives me no credit for marching
in that band).
From: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM (Gary Gocek)
Subject: WGI, they took my money, where are my tix?
Reply-To: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM
Organization: Xerox Corp., Rochester, NY
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:17:08 GMT


I mailed a check to WGI for championship tickets, and the check cleared, but
I haven't received my tickets, and it's been several weeks.  Is that because
they aren't mailing tickets until a later date, or did they forget about me?
Has anyone received actual tickets?

Thanks,
Gary
Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM


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From: rjones@buzzard.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones)
Subject: Re: UCLA Rumor
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:53:03 GMT

In article <FAIGIN.92Dec16200705@solarium.aero.org>, faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
|> On 17 Dec 92 00:22:40 GMT, edson@cis.rand.org (Edson Smith) said:
|> 
|> > Sons of Westwood is still the song that most people associate with UCLA,
|> > and stolen or not, UCLA fans and alums consider it to be *the* fight song.
|> 
|> > As an aside, when Kelly James became the UCLA director (back in the 60's if
|> > I recall correctly), he brought the "Sons" tune with him from Cal, and made
|> > it the main fight song, replacing "By the Old Pacific".
|> 
|> The late Kelly James wrote "Sons of California" as a graduate student at Cal,
|> but did not copyright it. When he moved to UCLA, he re-wrote it as "Sons of
|> Westwood" and copyrighted it, thereby really annoying the Cal people!!! and
|> since it is copyrighted by UCLA the Cal people are SOL!!

Hmmmm...that doesn't quite jibe.  "Sons of Westwood" has the same tune as Cal's
"Big C".  "Sons of California" is a separate song altogether.

As to replacing "Sons of Westwood", I'm pretty sure that "The Mighty Bruin"
was originally intended to be the replacement.  However, I find it amusing
that at about the same time "Mighty Bruin" came into existence, the football
team and coach let it be known that they got a real charge (for some reason)
out of hearing "Sons of Westwood" over and over.  In response, the band now
plays that song (in my opinion) far too often, becoming quite reminiscent of
the band from that other school across town.  UCLA has quite a few fight 
songs (though not as many as Cal), and it's really disappointing that we 
don't hear more of them during games.

Randy Jones
UCLA Band, 80-84
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From: "Gennis Emerson" <gemerson@ugly.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Band Traditions
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Distribution: usa 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:47:30 -0500

In the Cal Aggie Marching Band-uh (UC Davis), we were firm believers in the
saying "if it happens once, it's an accident; if it happens twice, it's
tradition", so there were a lot of band traditions. We had a rule about
never playing the same song twice in a single performance (except for
school songs, of course). We also were always the last to leave any game or
rally, so strong lips became a priority in order to keep playing until
everyone else gave up. Whenever we stopped to eat while traveling, we
always sang "Sons of California" in the restaurant before leaving. There
were annual traditions like the Away Banquet and the Home Dessert and the
recruiting trip, and not-mentionable-in-public ones which took place on
buses. 

All this may be only history now, since the administration started in on
the CAMB-uh. 

-- 
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gemerson@cs.indiana.edu                  used our sister?"
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From: vernon@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Gregory Scott Vernon)
Subject: Re: Arrogance vs. niceness
Organization: Boeing
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:21:28 GMT

In article <14806@cis.rand.org> Liza_Weissler@rand.ORG (Liza Weissler) writes:
>The thread about the USC band was pretty amusing.
>
>I'm an old USC band member (1977-1981).  Not to sound completely old-timerish,
>but...we always had pretty intense rivalries with other bands (esp.
>UCLA, Berkeley, and Stanford), but at least when the band members met
>"off the field" most of us would be nice to each other.  (I won't dispute
>that there's always an element that wasn't nice; there are too many
>examples to the contrary.  :-)

In all fairness...
	I can remember back in '84 when we (the Washington band) were
at USC, a bunch of their band members came out and partied with
us back at the hotel.  I also remember going to one of their practices,
and while they chanted ``**** the Huskies!'' in formation, in person
they were pretty friendly, arrogant, but friendly.

Cheers!
Greg


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From: straffin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ethan Douglas Straffin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Binary Drumming (Was: cheerleaders: kill them or just disembowel?)
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:31:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.

In article <pm860605.31.724468557@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu> pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney) writes:
>Messing with binary (and perhaps other) number schemes could open up a whole
>mess of interesting drum warmup ideas!
>
>e.g.
>
> . = 8th note
>
>   12/8
> | ... ..: .:. .:: | :.. :.: ::. ::: | repeat w/flams, chertas, accents, etc.
>   RL etc....

   _Eighth_ notes?  The LSJUMB "ABF Binary Cadence" counts from 1 to
32 with sixteenths (each number represented by the minimum number of
bits possible, which leads to some neat syncopation).  'Course, we 
haven't played it in public yet, mostly because it's a bitch to
memorize.  Someday.

>- Pete

   As to the lyrics to "The S&M Man"...I'll let some less cautious
Stanfordite with more room in their directory for mailbombs handle
that one.  :-)

Yes, I do have two finals tomorrow.
Yes, I should be studying for them.
Yes, this is much more interesting.
No, I didn't make those lines the same length on purpose.
Ethan
LSJUMB AFB Drumz
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From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: Reading music off of flip folders....
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:07:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.183636.28528@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:

>Geez Jim, you KNOW us dummers can't read music!  =)  Where was my MIND when
>I said that we were only doing 120?  You're right though, 200 was about
>right.  And I remember the first time I did a Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrramp!  I about
>pissed my pants I was so excited!  90,000+ screaming idiots in the Horseshoe!

Hey, didn't you guys wear your drums up with straps and march high step and
wear those white gloves when you played? How could you do that? Didn't you
want to revolt or something? Just curious...

--Brad.



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From: jmoulton@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Ana Ng)
Subject: Re: What did you play this year?
Keywords: Music
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 18:10:08 EST

In article <Byz86L.6qD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kab33254@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hard Harry ) writes:
>Hi all,
>I was wondering what got played this season
>in college marching band ( or at least for
>your best show ).  
[stuff deleted]
>kevin
>
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Here at Syracuse, the Pride of the Orange had a fun year. Most of the band
thinks our favorite and best show this year was the Mideval show we did for 
Homecoming, to fit with the Homecoming theme of 'Mideval Magic'.
We had a story to go along with the show, using the Homecoming King and Queen
as characters, along with the graduate assistants in costume as two knights:
good and evil, and the evil sorcerer.
We used a 'Lord of the Rings' piece for an opening fanfare. (I forget the
composer's name) along with bits of it to tie together the rest of the 
pieces in the show. We also played Robin Hood and Hook in that show. Hook was
our battle scene, and the band split in half and used the shields we made to
attack each other during the percussion feature. It was a *lot* of fun, and
watching the video, you could see how great it looked visually as well.
The dome crowd usually isn't that energetic about our shows, but they were on
their feet for this one. :) 
We only did this show once, but it was worth it. I wish we could have done it
a few times, actually.
The music from Hook was great fun to play, though.
After three years in the SUMB, I think this was my favorite show we've done.

-Jen
jmoulton@mailbox.syr.edu

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From: bob@b30.ingr.com (Bob Baccus)
Subject: Southern U. in Japan
Keywords: shoplift, steal, bad name
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:30:49 GMT

Did you hear about the Souther University Marching Band (Houston, TX)
and their visit to Japan? According to news reports - the band was invited
to perform on Dec. 5 in Japan for the Neb - Kan football game. After the 
game, the band went to an area that had a lot of electronic stores (still
in uniform). The band members shoplifted over $25,000.00 of electronic 
stuff (hand-held tv's, walkmans, ...). The store owners called the police
but they couldn't identify anyone because they all were wearing their
uniforms. The police wouldn't let the buses leave until they gave back the
stuff. App. $18,000.00 worth of items were returned. Southern University
sent a check to cover the rest of the stuff.

I wonder where the Southern University Marching Band will get invited to
next?

Bob

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From: dct@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David C. Tuttle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: SWC antics
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:17:33 GMT

jstripli@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Jeff R. Stripling) writes:

> The UT band also reherses without whistles for the Rice, OU, and A&M
> games for various reasons.  Noise is a problem at OU and A&M.  Extra
> whistles might be a problem at Rice. ;-)

Ha ha ha!  I'm impressed -- the Power of Myth is demonstrated again!

The infamous Aggie Band halftime screw-up at Rice Stadium in 1981 will
be forever blamed on the  MOB, accused of blowing  whistles to confuse
the Band, who use whistles during their shows.

Of course, it  didn't happen  that  way -- a  line of seniors counter-
marched 5 yards too soon early in the show, and the mistake propagated
until  the  end  when,  finally,  the  traditional Flying  Block T was
instead  the  Flying  Gamma.   This  was  verified  by the  MOB  after
exhaustive  examination  of  a  videotape of the show.  Also,  several
contacts with Aggie Band members since the incident confirmed that the
Band itself knew the true cause of the mishap.  No whistles were blown
by the MOB from the sidelines -- this I know because I was down there.

The fallout  of  this has perpetuated  over  the  years.  Most  Aggies
simply cannot be convinced that the  MOB is, in this case,  completely
innocent.  In fact, many of the  MOB's  purported antics against other
bands are myths with little or no truth to them, but I digress...

Some apocrypha I've heard, but cannot confirm, are that:
-- The incident cost some Aggie senior band members their coveted
   Senior Boots; and
-- A copy of the videotape was made by the MOB and sent to the UT
   Longhorn Band, which watched it so many times that the oxide was
   worn off the tape.

But I guess the UT Band can be forgiven for being cautious since even
the MOB's director, to this day, refrains from using whistles at, and
forbids MOBsters to bring whistles to, Aggie games.

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From: lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: cheerleaders: kill them or just disembowel?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 06:21:04 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

You just described our Pridettes.  Only, there're a lot more of
them (16 this year).  Basically, they're a dance team (I THINK
that's how you call'em), and they ARE considered a part of the
band, even though the don't practice with us, and their idea
of "warming up" consists of running around the track and
stretching on the sidelines (and distracting any male bandgeeks
with ANY testosterone running through their veins  :9  ).  All
in all, they're harmless.  Well, MOSTLY harmless.  The cheer-
leaders and yell-leaders are a whole other entity...

Bart -Laz- Smith
The 'Cat!
Trombone's sliiiiiide better...
From: clark@angelo.amd.com (Brad D. Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Presidential Inauguration Parade
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:47:27 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

jthomson@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John A Thomson) writes:

>Hi!  Just a curious question to all:  Has anyone out there ever marched in the
>Presidential Inauguration?  The UMMB has a chance at going - they've been
>before, but I wasn't in school.  What's it like?  It should be one of the most
>incredible parades ever!

I had the opportunity to march in Richard Nixon's 2nd Inaugrial (Lewiston ID
HS Marching Band).

I can echo the F*****G COLD part... we had at least 2 Flag Females pass 
out/collapse due to the wind-chill (below zero). I remember leaving at
least one layer of lip-skin on my sousaphone mouthpiece (spit actually FROZE).

We stayed in a motel in Arlington while there... had a marching rehearsal
the morning before, and the local cops pulled up and said that we couldn't
march because we didn't have a "Parade Permit". Pissed the director off
royally.

TV coverage? Yep, but the network(s) cut to commercial 10 seconds after
we rounded the corner. Guess Idaho didn't rate.

More comments, but mostly banal. We DID get to go to NYC for a few days
after that, though. Was a great trip, and I still have all the cr*p
(souvenier stuff) boxed away.

Brad
clark@brahms.amd.com
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From: tonyamm@carson.u.washington.edu (Tonya May)
Subject: Re: Quick band-ish question....
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:47:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.233318.10294@Virginia.EDU> anm6c@Virginia.EDU ("") writes:

>	Here at UVa that is one of the only fraternities we
>don't have, however the pep-band is a fraternity in itself.  
                    |______________________________________|

  The type of fraternity being refered to is NOT a social fraternity.
It is a Honor and Service fraternity, much the along the lines of
Honor Socities and those which are part of specific areas of study
(such as Law, Business, etc.).  

  Here at the University of Washington we are taking as many steps 
as possible to distinguish ourselves from Greeks and social fraternities
and sororities, because of the negative image these types of fraternities
and sororities have.

Tonya
KKPsi
From: beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham)
Subject: Re: Marching Bands
Keywords: Marching
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:02:58 GMT

currybg@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brian) writes:
>To put it simply the Purdue AAMB rules!

You guys weren't TOO bad.  I saw you this year when you came to the home of the
best band in the land... The Universoity of Illinois.  I sort have to make fun
of all of your twirlers in thier fur coats and that kind of stuff.  That IS one
HUGE bass drum though.  It was really cool having you guys in town, since I'm a
senior this year and we haven't hosted anyone in the past 3 years.  See you 
later...



  			   	   --------------------------------------------
								  Jeff Beckham
						      beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
 			 	      			       Marching Illini 
                                    University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
				   --------------------------------------------
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From: stanford@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Stanford)
Subject: tasteless
Organization: none whatsoever
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 00:38:10 GMT

Hi all - this week we've been coming up with our pregame and halftime
shows for the Ballbuster Bowl on Jan 1.  This one didn't survive SMUT
(Stanford Marching Unit Thinkers) due to self-censoring (we may be
nuts but we're not stupid).  It's a bit tasteless, but at least it's
not going on the field:

The "Things we can do to help the Somalians" Show
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1)  Remind them that thin is "in" this year.

2)  They only have one more horseman of the apocalypse to go.  Let's
bring him.

3)  Bring TV monitors with satellite feeds so when CNN shows footage
of this human disaster, you can say "Hey look - that's you!"

4)  Give out complimentary copies of Julia Child's bestseller "Cooking
with Sand."

I reiterate - NOT going on national TV.  NOT in a state that voted for
Bush.  NOT a real show.  The actual show will of course be "Places Not
to Put Your Penis."

Scott "Let the Virginia Band Go to a Bowl" Stanford
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From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt)
Subject: Re: cheerleaders: kill them or just disembowel?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:13:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.191711.16904@leland.Stanford.EDU> ender@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chris Hondl) writes:
[stuff deleted]

>suspect they'll have a little more trouble with one of our new songs, Limelight
>by RUSH.  The thing is partly in 7/4 and goes into 3/4 which belies the fact 
>that, like most RUSH songs, the real beat the song has never really seems
>to be right on the bar line.

Cool...I'd kill for our band to play anything by Rush  (especially Freewill...
can you say a different time sig in every bar? =->)


>Chris Hondl
>ender@leland.stanford.edu






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