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From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: af to win liberty bowl
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:05:31 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
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Computer rankings, "Experts", Las Vegas, and everyone else will
give Air Force no chance versus Mississippi.

The Falcons excellent bowl record will be downplayed as a factor.

The "experts" will say "The Rebels are aware of Air Force's record
in bowl games, and will be prepared. Besides, Mississippi plays in
a far tougher conference, and will have three weeks to prepare for
the Falcon's wishbone."

Well, you could change all mentions of Ole'Miss above to previous
Falcon bowl opponents like Ohio State, and Mississippi State, and
you start to see a pattern that will come to another year's conclusion
when Air Force beats Mississippi in this years Liberty Bowl.


Can anyone fill in the details of Air Force's Bowl record?
I believe they are about 6-1 in the last decade, including wins over
Miss St, Ohio St, Texas, and Tennessee. I'm not even sure if *Michigan*
had six bowl wins under Bo, and they were favored in most bowl they
played.

1991: Air Force 38 Miss St. 15  (MSU was favored by 9)
1990: Air Force over Ohio St.   (OSU was favored by *17*)
1989:
1988:
1987:
1986:
1985: Air Force over Texas      (Air Force was favored, finished 11-1)
1984:
1983: Air Force over Tennessee
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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Showboating etc. (Was: Re: Verbal Bashing Of Miami)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:21:09 GMT

pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:

>A picture from this weekend which will stick in my mind for a while was the 
>celebration by a Miami (Fla) receiver in the endzone (complete with back flip 
>causing me to wonder if he paractices palying the game as much as he practices 
>his touchdown dance) following a ruling by the official that the pass was 
>trapped.  As sson as the Hurricane's dance was over, the Temple defender did a 
>back flip in ridicule of the overly exhuberant Hurricane.

I was sitting at that end of the OB and all the fans around me thought the
whole thing was funny, especially when the Temple defender pointed to
Copeland and then also did a back-flip.

A lot of the show-boating is crap and I wish all teams would quit doing it
but getting the hail up on the back of your neck over this one isn't necessary.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Possible #1 vs. #2 matchup in major bo
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:51:36 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Nov16.201126.14064@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:

| David Head (dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com) wrote:
| : [previous discussion over coalition "mandates" deleted]
| : 
| : My understanding of the Bowl Coalition is that a #1 Miami would indeed 
| : have had to play a #2 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl or a #2 TAMU in the 
| : Cotton Bowl whether or not the Orange Bowl paid more.  Supposedly if 
| 
| This is absolutely not true.  This exact scenario has been discussed at
| length in the Dallas Morning News the past week or so.  This discussion
| has included interviews with Miami AD Dave (?) Maggard, who will only
| say that Miami is "committed to making the coalition work", but "all things
| being equal", they would prefer to stay home and play in the Orange Bowl,
| and that they would have to evaluate their options at the end of the season.

  Scott, that was based on current #2 Bama losing a game, and then #3 Michigan
  moving up to take the #2 ranking.  I that case Miami whould have a choice.
  Since Michigan is not in the alliance.

  If the #1 and #2 teams ( AP poll ) are in the alliance, and one of the 
  two teams doesn't have a bowl lock then THEY MUST PLAY.


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From: rownd@kelp.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
Subject: Re: Copper Bowl (was Re: thanks minnesota!)
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:46:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.164528.20223@unislc.uucp> mdq@unislc.uucp (Michael Quinn) writes:
>The copper bowl has decided to have Utah vs. Washington State

	WHAAT!!!???  I watched Nebraska stomp Utah 49-22 in Lincoln.
WSU deserves better!  What a joke.  GO FOR IT UTAH(Utes?)!!!  This might
be your only chance to shine.  I might have to watch this one....

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From: asami@cs.Berkeley.EDU (Satoshi ASAMI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: UCLA bowl hopes !!
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:12:04
Organization: CS Div., Dept. of EECS, UC Berkeley
	<1992Nov19.210541.19730@mic.ucla.edu>
Reply-To: asami@snake.cs.berkeley.edu
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In-reply-to: bryan@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu's message of 19 Nov 92 21:05:40 PST

In article <1992Nov19.210541.19730@mic.ucla.edu>
        bryan@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Bryan LittleField ) writes:

 *  Does UCLA have any hopes of reaching a bowl game this year ???

Um, I think the game this weekend is in the Rose Bowl. ;)

 *  Isn't one of them Iowa schools going to a bowl with a 6-5 record ??

Nope.  That's 6-6.  Get your facts straight before you post!!! :)

Satoshi @ a school with no bowl hopes
Go Bears chop up the Trees and dump them in the Bay
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From: harbinjm@infonode.ingr.com (Mitch Harbin)
Subject: Re: Bama over MSU big
Summary: NOT
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:09:27 GMT

In article <dkm2.721685446@Isis.MsState.Edu>, dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee) writes:
> J.M.Crant.1@nd.edu (Mike Crant) writes:
> 
> >     I don't think MSU has a chance in this game.  Since losing Sleepy 
> >Floyd in the Florida game, the Mississippi State offense has been eratic 
> >at best.  Against a tough Alabama defense, I don't expect them to get many 
> >points.  
> 
> I would worry about that, but I know how good QB Rodney Hudson is.  If Plump
> screws up, expect to see him.  Just as elusive as Sleepy.
> 
> Obviously, the highlight of Miss. State's season was the victory 
> >over Florida-- as evidenced by the repeated mentions of this from the 
> >MSU woofers.  In hindsight, I don't think Florida is as bad as they 
> >looked against Miss. State that Thursday evening, and Miss. State doesn't 
> >appear to be as good as they were that night.  MSU should be pleased that 
> >the Florida game was early in the season; if it were this week, I suspect 
> >the result would be quite different.  Alabama, on the other hand, seems to 
> >be getting better and better.  I predict Alabama 28, MSU 13.
> 
> Alabama is not getting that much better.  They will finally play a team with 
> an offensive line, so we will see how good the big bad bama defense is.
> 
> MSU 17  Bama 14
> 
> David
> 
> -- 
>                David K. Magee | "Mandrake! Get over here and feed me that  
>          MIS Graduate Student |  belt boy.  The Redcoats are coming! "
>  Mississippi State University |
>           dkm2@ra.msstate.edu |   -  General Jack Ripper, Dr. Strangelove 

Well David:

I see that you were a bit off on your prediction.  Try 30 - 21, BAMA.

Have a nice day.

ROLL TIDE...
From: seale@bcserv.wustl.edu (Seale (Jeff))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Texas 35 SMU 14
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:47:30 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
Distribution: usa
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ctraynor@cs.utexas.edu (Christian J. Traynor) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.225317.14349@chpc.utexas.edu> boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:


>>>	Where is the Baylor-UT game to be played?
Well, you obviously haven't been to Lubbock to see the horns play 
Texas Tech (can't say that I blame you for not going to Lubbock, though).
In fact, the last I heard, Texas Tech was only one of 2 SWC schools
that had increased attendance at football games this season (maybe SMU
was the other?). Wouldn't it be scary if Tech actually won more games
and it was difficult to get tickets to even the Tech SMU game?
Oh, but we dream on!

-Jeff (let's hope cougar high doesn't kill us too bad) Seale
 
>there were more Texas fans than Baylor fans.  In fact I believe that is the 
>case in all our conference away games except a&m.  If this continues to be
>the case this year ( and it might since this game means something for Texas
>other than just pride) then I don't think the Baylor fans can have that
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: WAR IS NOT OVER.. SYRACUSE!! :)
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:30:03 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: delarocq@c00105-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu




  Miami fans, look out!!! Syracuse, next week!!!! You might not want to
 chalk up that last win quite yet!!!! The last challenger is a strong one!!!

 Look what happened this weekend.. :) (with other teams...)
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From: rwood1@takagi.helios.nd.edu (richard wood)
Subject: Re: Bowl Matchups
Reply-To: rwood1@takagi.helios.nd.edu (richard wood)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:30:23 GMT

Oops!!  "mush" should be "much" in that last article!!

D'oh!!!!!!

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From: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (William P. Jones)
Subject: Re: FSU 1993 Schedule (ND afraid of Doak)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: NASA-Ames Research Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:18:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.202230.17830@walter.bellcore.com>, 
lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes...
>In article <1992Nov17.161628.1511@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
>>
>>>I believe your correct; however, I do not have the official schedule.  From 
>>>what I understand, the Notre Dame games will be at South Bend and at a neutral
>>>site, most likely Jacksonville.  Notre Dame refused to play us in Tallahassee.
>>>They claim D.C. stadium is too small.  Granted it will only seat 62000+ fans,
>>>but I think it would be nice to see Notre Dame come off their high chair and
>>>play us in our backyard.  Side note:  it was great to see Notre Dame go for 
>>>the win instead of the tie last week unlike Michigan.  Does anybody
>>>know if we get to beat up on Michigan in Tallahassee?
>>
>>
>>Thanks for the info Rick.  I can't really buy into Notre Dame's argument that
>>Doak Campbell is too small, considering that it will hold 72,000+ with the new
>>seats being currently installed.  I think the capacity is at this point up to
>>about 67,000 and as a result a new record crowd is expected for the UF game.
>>Now I know good and well that Notre Dame had a home and home series with Air
>>Force and I doubt their stadium holds as many as FSU's.  I am sure that Notre
>>Dame has played on other occasions in stadiums holding less than 72,000.  If
>>they came to Tallahassee, Doak Campbell would be packed and national TV would
>>be there so money couldn't be cited as a factor.  IMO it is a lack of respect
>>for FSU on ND's part.  Same problem with Michigan.  We played at least 2 times
>>up there, played them close (but lost) in 1986 and spanked them last year, but
>>they refuse to come down to Tallahassee.  At least Michigan State had the guts
>>to come down after we pasted them up there, although they said they'd never
>>come again.  Something about the heat and humidity being too hard on the northern
>>boys.  Okay, I'm rambling.  I can see a slight justification in Michigan, in
>>that they can sell 30,000 more tickets for their stadium than FSU can, at what,
>>$25 a pop, for an extra $750,000?  But Notre Dame I don't know.  Anybody know
>>how many seats they have in South Bend?
>>
>>D. Head
>>FSU '91
> 
>ND stadium holds 59,000 at most.  Can't see how
                  59,075 to be exact. (And they are small ones too.)
>they claim Doak Stadium is to small.  
> 
>Also, ND plays at Pitt Stadium which seats about 50,000.
> 
> 
>John L 
> 
Perhaps the relevant question is how many tickets for the visiting team does 
FSU allot at Talahassee. There will be a large demand for tickets by ND fans in 
Florida. Still, I don't understand why FSU agreed to the request. 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:51:42 GMT

scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
>
>Now, what I found interesting was the PAC-10 commission's reccomendation
>that Hobert's loan not cause any forfeitures, because something like that
>should have no bearing on "on-field performances".  We are talking about
>a questionable $50,000 deal here.  Several (not all) of A&M's 20 or so 
>violations were along the lines of "recruits were given caps on official 
>visits", "recruit was given a ride to the airport by an assistant coach", 
>etc.  These violations were certainly allowed to have an effect on
>"on-field" performances.

The biggest difference (in the Pac Ten Committee and NCAA's eyes) is that
TAMU was involved directly in their violations, whereas in the Hobert case,
the UW was not involved in getting the loan.  Hobert's getting the loan 
was a violation completely initiated by him.  By all accounts, the UW
had nothing to do with getting Hobert the loan.  The possible, and still
unsubstantiated violations at the UW are the two questions of (1) Should
the athletic department have followed the situation more closely given
the knowledge that they did have about Hobert?  and (2)  Was there any
coverup at all about the loan once coaches and athletic department officials
learned of it?

The first question is, IMHO, more or less unanswerable.  What will probably
come out of this is that the UW will increase it's "surveillance" of
the athletes on scholarship and try to keep this from happening again.  I
find it hard to believe that the NCAA would find that the UW is negligent
in this area, but anything is possible.  The second question is much more
serious.  The Seattle Times has stated several times that Hobert told them
that he told Don james about the loan before the Stanford game (which was
the last one he played in).  Don James says that it wasn't until after
the Stanford game that he learned of the loan.  Billy Joe now says that
he doesn't remember exactly when he told James.  If anyone can prove
that James knew before the Stanford game, expect big penalties.

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Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC))
Subject: Re: MIGHTY MICHIGAN ... and notre dame
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:38:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.144648.14959@cis.ohio-state.edu> atchison@kingkong.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov22.200207.23400@news2.cis.umn.edu> milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov22.003609.1014@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@mauchly.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>>...
>>>I don't even think they're the best team in the
>>>Big 10 ...           
>>
>>If not Michigan, then which team do you believe IS the best team 
>>in the BIG10 this year? I like to hear your logic explaining why.
>>
>>-bob
>>a Michigan fan
>
>I think it's pretty obvious who the best team in the Big 10 has been for the
>last four weeks.  3 wins by the combined score of 82-25, plus a tie of the #6
>team in the nation for Ohio State.  2 ties, plus a win over Northwestern, and
>a come from behind "upset" of Pur-done for Michigan.  

well, I have to agree with you that Ohio State has been playing the best
football in the Big10 for the last few weeks and I have to admit that 
Michigan was lucky to tie at Columbus. It was a great game, though. The kind
of game that traditionally occurs between the Buckeyes and the Wolverines.
It was a hard hitting game with few errors, just a lot of slippin' and
slidin' and smash mouth football! I'd like to believe, though, once the 
Wolverines clinched a share of the conference championship, they lost a 
lot of the intensity they had early in the season (though I can't believe
they could lose any intensity against OhioState). Nonetheless, Michigan
is still has the best BIG10 record this season and deserves the BIG10
championship. 

>Right now no one in the conference is playing better football than the 
>Buckeyes, and if Florida upsets Alabama, we'll be in a better bowl, too.  
>(Heck, it might even be better if we only play Florida!)

It should be a heck of a game!  good luck!
>
>-mark
>not a Michigan fan
>

-bob
a Michigan fan (OHOWIHATEOHIOSTATE)

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From: skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell)
Subject: Huskers lose. Mega-Major Bummer!!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:53:41 GMT

I just got home from visiting friends in the Des Moines area, and from seeing
the Nebraska - Iowa State game yesterday. And well, we lost. I have to give
ISU credit, they played inspired mistake-free football. NU OTOH, looked like
they prepared for a completely different team. They definately didn't play
well yesterday. As a result, ISU deserved to win yesterday. Congratulations
Iowa State.

Only in college football, a team can play like world-beaters for a few weeks,
and then stink the next. College Football... what a great game! <half-hearted 
smile> 

We're definitely out of the MNC race now. (Is that an understatement or what?)
So I'll leave the "Best Team" woofing to those who deserve it. Hopefully we
can still beat OU, KSU, and some other team in the Orange Bowl and finish in
the top 10. But I'll wait until next year before I start the NU #1 hype again.

This disappointing loss should light a fire in this team, so I feel a little
sorry for Oklahoma. :j We should be back on top of our game by then. At least
I hope so. Anyway, I'm still cheering my Husker's even if I am depressed at
the moment. Again, congrats to ISU for playing the game of their lives.

GO BIG RED!!
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:31:46 -0500 
From: William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Why did Syracuse waste so much time?

I was wondering the exact same thing.  Graves did take a pretty good hit
during that final drive and I saw him trying to shake out the cobwebs
quite a few times as he approached the line of scrimmage for the last 3
or however many plays.

Will
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Pack Orange Bowl Bound ?
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:28:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.142817.4493@ncsu.edu> bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT  
RICKER) writes:
> 
> According to today's News and Observer:
> 
> Orange Bowl representatives will be on hand at Carter Finely Stadium
> Saturday to watch the Wake - State game.  Evidently, if Miami ends up
> playing Florida St in the Fiesta bowl, NCSU will be invited to play
> the Big Eight Champ (Nebraska?, Colorado?) in the Miami on New Year's Day.

Questions:  

1)  Can FSU jump Alabama without Alabama losing?  (Ans: I doubt it.)

2)  If Alabama loses in the SEC playoff, and FSU ends up #2, where
	would the Tide go?  Orange?  Cotton vs. TAMU?  

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Open Question to Miami fans
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:12:02 GMT

>>I'd like to hear some opinions from loyal Canes fans out there. 
>>
>>If Alabama stumbles and the rest of the top ten remains the same, do
>>you think the Mighty Canes will play an undefeated Texas A&M team
>>in the Cotton Bowl or, "chicken out" and play a once beaten Cornhusker
>>team in their home stadium?
>>
>>		- inquiring minds want to know
>>
>>			rob
>>
>>
>>
>
>To tell you the truth, after seeing the way Texas A&M played thursday night
>against Houston, playing Nebraska might be better. No way should Texas A&M
>be ranked 4th!

Well, at least we won, unlike that other team you mention...

cmuck


=======================================================================
Aggie winning streak ------>   10   and counting
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From: JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Olanda Truitt (was: Re: Bama 30, Miss. State 21)
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:35:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92322.093505JCT3
 <1992Nov16.231821.18118@den.mmc.com> <dkm2.721972451@Isis.MsState.Edu>
Organization: Penn State University

My point is that Truitt will continue to make opposing Ds weep--
in the NFL.


Jim
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