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From: Deborah.Weiss@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Storytelling
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date:  5 Nov 92 23:56:39

Nick Smith, co-chair of Con-Chord 8 & 9, is also a storyteller & is co-Program 
Director for the Storytelling track at the Los Angeles Dulcimer Festival.  He 
will also be performing at Loscon this Thanksgiving, both with the LA
Filkharmonics & as a solo storyteller performer.  I have attended the LA
Dulcimer Festival storytelling panels & performances and feel that
storytelling would be a good addition and program enhancement to a filkcon. 
Enough so to seriously consider inviting storytelling performer(s) to attend.
 
My question is would storytelling interest the average filker (I know, I know 
-- we're *all* above average 8-))?  Would any or all of you who attend
filkcons want to hear a storyteller in concert set or even learn the
storytelling craft in a workshop or panel?  Are there any particular
storytelling performers that would attract you?  (Mark Bernstein comes to
mind, having heard him at Consonance.)
 
Another question is should storytelling become a regular part of a filkcon, as 
an integral part of the performing arts?
 
Inquiring minds want to know....  Your comments help us poor benighted concoms 
plan better programming.  Thank you for your support.  8-}
 
Deborah Weiss
Con-Chord 8 & 9 Co-Chair


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From: Deborah.Weiss@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: New Filk
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:48:25 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992

I agree with what you & Clyf both say.  However, there is also another facet
to this issue, that of feeling of being on the "outside" & wanting to joi the 
folks on the "inside," Whether or not the impression is true/valid. 
 The small, private sings do indicate a great degree of friendship 
& camaderie, often at a level quite enviable to others not so included. 
 I have been part of a couple such sings and treasure the memories. 
 
And Clyf's comments do point out that most folks go off for their own personal 
reasons & not to be pointedly exclusionary towards any particular individual
or group.
 
And thanks for taking the time to comment/respond.  This is/has been a sore
point for many for some time.


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From: Bruce.Tomlin@f555.n387.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: copyrights
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 09 Nov 92  10:21:00

 > NOTE: THE FOLLOWING ARE _INVALID_ VARIANTS.   D O N ' T   U S E
 > T H E M !

Rats.  That's the last line of it that made it here.  If you sent the rest in 
a second message, it may have gotten dupe-checked away.

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From: kfarmer@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (keith farmer;S10000)
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Song Request
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:18:11 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

I have one request for a song. To the tune of "One Tin Soldier," the song I am
looking for in "One Lone Norseman." Any SCA filkers out there know this?

Thanks...
Keith
kfarmer@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu
From: Uucp@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Storytelling
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 11 Nov 92  06:38:30

From  ucivax!heifetz.msen.com!dgsi!puck!markb
From: markb@puck (Mark Bernstein)
To:   filk@ofa123.fidonet.org
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 08:32:16 EST


Deborah.Weiss@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org wrote:
: Are there any particular
: storytelling performers that would attract you?  (Mark Bernstein comes to
: mind, having heard him at Consonance.)
:  
Thank you.  It's always a genuine pleasure to get good notices. :-)

: Another question is should storytelling become a regular part of a filkcon, 
as 
: an integral part of the performing arts?
:  
I think you can guess my answer.  I'd be happy to encourage other
storytellers.

Mark Bernstein
markb@cimage.com


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From: Mike.Liebmann@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Shai Hulud
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date:  8 Nov 92 11:13:45

The chording look OK, but in the first verse, I don't think it's "Of Rakkis" - 
it should be "Arrakis"


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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: Kettlingurr@f708.n362.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Poem
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 08 Nov 92  12:56:06

I really liked "This We Defend"....  I'm just posting this message to tell
you that I'll be reposting it on FISHnet Chatter to two gents who feel the
same way you do.  I will also be posting your netmail address; so if you get
netmail from people you've never met, you're forewarned of how they knew....



... Reality is for people who can't cope with science fiction.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10

--- Maximus 2.01wb
From: William.Hughes@f255.n387.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: New Filk
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 09 Nov 92  23:13:00

KS>[long list of nasty experiences]

Sorry -- a 'button' was pushed...

KS>William, first off if you can please try and make it to a ConChord.

Maybe someday; congoing over the last few years has dropped off ($$).

  >Second, are you perhaps one of those quiet people who hide in the back
  >of the room and never raise your voice above a whisper?

<gryn> Sorry, Kay -- 6', 180#, long hair, beard, fondness for leather
jackets, an' all of it wrapped in mean. B-{)}>

  >It IS possible to get lost in the crowd if there is one.

Certainly; I'd be the last to dispute that. But 'the crowd', or rather
the behavior of the crowd, is one of the considerations.

  >The fear of being considered "rude" has been known to get the better
  >of many a very good singer.

Quite possibly so. However, for reasons of my own, I try to avoid
conflict. When it got to the point that I had to practically shout to
get the floor, I quit trying.

KS> WH>See above. The one time I stood up to present a 'filk' (a minor
  >rewrite of an old and little known military song), I was literally
  >booed out of the room. I found out later that it was because the
  >'quality' of my presentation was not up to the snobs' "standards". I
  >have never sung in public since.
KS>Well don't just sit there - filk the experience!

I wish I could, I really do, but creativity is not one of my strong
suits -- and I am not musically trained. At best, all I could do would
be to write lyrics to an existing tune or chant.

  >(Actually I'm not kidding; one of my favorite songs of all time has
  >got to be Suzette Elgin's "Song at the Ready".  It's a
  >country-western style description of one poor fan at a chaos sing and
KS>"each time another song ended,
  >he would raise his guitar towards his chin.
  >He'd say"I've got a song, you can all sing along.."
  >and then somebody ELSE would begin"

<snirk> Yeah, we've seen this scenario played out...

KS>The filkhogs get their comeuppance and the ending is very appropriate.
  >I just wish _I_ had written it!

Sounds interesting. Where can this be found?

KS>Would you mind posting the song?  I'd kinda like to see it.

I no longer have it; this was about fifteen years ago. As I recall, it
was a Trekkish rewrite of an old naval gun-timing song:

"He must 'ave been guilty or 'e wouldn't be here
                 PORT GUN... FIRE!"

I could probably re-create it if I dug out the lyrics to the original.


 * SLMR 2.1a * St. Dismas' Infirmary for the Incurably Informed

--- MsgToss 2.0b (r)
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
From: charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen)
Subject: I am just an android on the starship Enterprise
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:18:33 GMT

Greetings.  I have heard of this filk, but fortunately I've never actually
heard it, and I was wondering if anyone here knows the words.  It is
to the tune of Simon and Garfunkle's "The Boxer" and part of the first
verse goes like this:

I am just an android on the starship Enterprise,
And I ponder my existance,
bla bla bla bla bla and old plot lines.

It was played on Dr. Demento once.  Can anyone help??  Thanks! - Chuck


-- 
"I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense,
reason, and intellect, had intended for us to forgo their use." - Galileo
"I'm an engineer, not a dictionary!" - Me
From: Pete.Granzeau@f236.n271.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: A Filk, A Filk, My Kingdo
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Oct  1 1992
Date: 02 Nov 92  17:51:00

GT>DW-->Has anyone (perhaps several people) done something about J. Danforth
GT>Quayl
GT>DW-->to "Danny Boy?"  (it just seems _so_ obvious!)

GT>Groannn...    Loverly concept.     Anybody want to try?

O, Danny boy, the draft, the draft is calling,
  But where is Dan?  It's time for him to go,
He joined the Guard, position saved just for him,
  'Bout Viet Nam, he'll never have to know.

Then come you back, Oh, Danny, in the morning,
  You'll shuffle papers, safe and sound at home,
Your daddy's money kept you safe from danger,
  To Viet Nam you'll never have to roam.

--- FMail 0.90
From: Uucp@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Big vs Small Sings
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 11 Nov 92  06:39:01

From  ucivax!heifetz.msen.com!dgsi!puck!markb
From: markb@puck (Mark Bernstein)
To:   filk@ofa123.fidonet.org
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 08:32:38 EST

Gerald.Bliss@f281.n120.z1.fidonet.org wrote:
: To date, in Michigan, I have seen only one such case.  I've been to 5 
: cons now, and that makes for a pretty fair average (read: 20% ain't bad, 
: and may even be excusable). 
:  
Being Michigan-based (you seem to know that, but some here may not), I'm
glad to hear your experiences around here have been mostly positive.  It
may account for me having a slightly different frame of reference from
other posters.

: But most folks are just used to having one big filk where EVERYONE gets 
: to sing, whether they have good voices or not. 

True, and that's why the big filk is the big filk - most folks prefer to
be there.  (Sorta self-defining, ain't it? :-))  Much of the time, that's
where I prefer to be, as I said.  

Judging by some of the responses I've seen, I guess I need to be clearer
about something.  I do *not* object to people with "bad voices" singing.
I *want* everyone who wants to sing to get their chance.  My only point
is that if someone wants to spend time at a smaller sing, or quietly 
with friends, they should have the right to do so without getting a lot
of flak for it.

: It's all the mix that matters, and that we're filking because it's fun. 
:  
Ah, but different people have different definitions of fun.

: So I guess I'm siding with the original writer.  You want a private 
: filk, try your own house; 

Good concept, but many of us have close filking friends who live several
hundred miles away, who we *only* see at cons.  What then?

: at a con, sing with the rest of us bozos - and 
: love it.  I refuse to be inflexible about this, however, and welcome 
: further input. 
:  
Just as no one should be excluded from a public sing, no one should be
forced to attend, either.  Let people be where they want to be--that's
all I'm saying.

Mark Bernstein
markb@cimage.com


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From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Informal sings (was Re: New Filk)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 05 Nov 92  09:02:54

On <Nov 03 11:48>, john@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (John Hall), to All:

>but we were looking for a place to SING) and then simply grabbed an unused
>room and held our own sing, starting out with just the three or four of us
and 
>ending up with about 15 as people wandered by.

 JH>Don't let anybody say you were wrong.

 JH>That's the way it used to be, in the days before filk 
 JH>programming,
 JH>filk cons, filk tapes, filk books and filk newsgroups.  

Still is if you want it to be.  I got into this thing in the mid '70s, before 
most of the above except the filk books (I bought my first filk book at my
first convention, the first Equicon - the "Filk Manual" including such fun
stuff as Kinnison's Band and The Childish Edda).  The above incident happened 
at a worldcon, probably in the early '80s though memory is hazy.

 

--- msged 2.06
From: roper@chinet.chi.il.us (Bill Roper)
Subject: Re: ConCertino last year/etc
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
 
 
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:02:16 GMT

The (excellent) fiddler at OVFF was Bill Rintz.  He'll likely be
at Chambanacon as well.
-- 
Bill Roper, roper@chinet.chi.il.us
From: hjfeld@acs.bu.edu (harold feld)
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Sandworm on the Roof.
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:13:48 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <n0e1ct@ofa123.fidonet.org> Major.Matt.Mason@p11.f715.n273.z1.fidonet.org writes:
On 11/8/92, Mike Liebmann said to Major Matt Mason concerning Re: Sandworm on 
the Roof.: 

  ML> OK, which of you loonies is going to write the WHOLE musical?  I can
  ML> see it
  ML> now:
  ML> 
  ML> "DUNE, THE MUSICAL"
  ML> 
  ML> Paul Atriedes played by Chaim Topol

:>Well, I'll start...

:>(A fiddle starts playing "Tradition".  Paul Topol, dressed in a stillsuit,
:>walks out on stage.)

:>TOPOL:  A sandworm in the dunes.  Sounds crazy, no?  But here on the desert
:>planet of Arrakis, we're all a sandworm in the dunes, trying to make our way
:>through a load of grit without breaking our necks.  It isn't easy.  You may
>:ask, why do we keep on digging if it's so dangerous?  Well, I'll tell you.  We 
:>got dumped here, and we don't have any other choice in the matter.  And how do 
:>we find our way? THAT, I can tell you in one word-MELANGE!

 (Cue orchestra.  Fremen chorus appears.)

>Melange (to the tune of "Tradition)
 
>TOPOL & CHORUS:  
>Mela-a-nge, melange, melange!
>Melange!
>Mela-a-nge, melange, melange!
>Melange!

>(all dance)

>CHORUS:
>Who day and night
>Must scramble for a living
>Live inside a stillsuit
>Drink recycled sweat
>And who has the right as masters of the hunt
>To go after the mighty Worm?
>The Freme-en, the Fremen
>Melange!
>The Freme-en, the Fremen
>Melange!
>
>---
>
>Nnnnneext?
>
>Major Matt "The scary part is that I can see this WORKING. ;)" Mason

Topol (continuing as we cut to a Guild Space ship)
But of course, we can't move the spice by ourselves.  Somebody
has to do it.  That's where the Guild comes in. But, they stay
in their ports, we stay in ours. We pay the bribes, they keep
spy satellites out of our sky. No one bothers the other and
everything works out.

Who charts a pathway through the darkest spacelanes?
Seeing all the futures, avoiding what goes wrong
Who squeezes every Household, can even squeeze the Emperor
But depend on us for their Melange

The Stears-men! Guild stearsmen
Melange!
The Stears-men! Guild Stearsmen
Melange! 

>
>--- MacWoof Eval:25Oct92

HArold feld
From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: New around the courtyard....
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 08 Nov 92  10:16:38

On <Nov 06 08:05>, M14661@mwvm.mitre.org (name not given or else got clobbered 
somewhere) wrote to All:

 U>If there're faq files for this feed, I'd like to know how to get 
 U>to them
 U>I'm also new to this group (although I know what filk is), but 
 U>would like to
 U>know a) are there any FTP'able sites from the Internet, and b) 
 U>vendors of
 U>filk tapes.  I used to get stuff from the now defunct Off 
 U>Centaur, and
 U>misplaced a mailing I got a long time ago from Firebird.  Any 
 U>help or pointers
 U>on these two questions would be appreciated.

OK, first off here's the canned file for filk sellers:

Wail Songs                        Unlikely Publications
P.O. Box 29888                    P.O. Box 8542
Oakland, CA  94604                Berkeley, CA  94707-8542

Thor Records                      Space Opera House
P.O. Box 40312                    5271 Primrose Ave.
Downey, CA  90241                 Indianapolis, Indiana  46220

DAG Productions                   Robin Nakkula (or Alan Dormire)
1810 14th St #102                 P.O.Box 14796
Santa Monica, CA  90404           Columbus  OH 43214-0796
                                  (rnakkula@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
Pegasus Music
2501 W. Sublett Rd. #890
Arlington, Tx 76017-5461
phone - (817) 467-0681

Firebird Arts & Music Inc.
P.O. Box 14785
Portland, Oregan  97214-9998
(or talk to Mary Creasey in here; the Creaseys agent Firebird tapes and 
things like that there.)

Also subscribe to The Filking Times, for even more addresses of publishers of 
tapes, lyrics, filkzines and things like that there, along with a lot of other 
news.  It appears monthly, and last I heard subscription rates were around
$7.50 for 12 issues.  Write Rick Weiss for details, either by sending e-mail
to him or to Deborah Weiss at 1:102/524 or by snail mail to.
  
Rick Weiss
13261 Donegal Drive
Garden Grove, CA  92644-2304
 

And see the next post for the closest thing to a FAQ.

 

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From: Uucp@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Singalongs
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 11 Nov 92  06:38:30

From  ucivax!heifetz.msen.com!dgsi!puck!markb
From: markb@puck (Mark Bernstein)
To:   filk@ofa123.fidonet.org
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 08:31:38 EST

markbr (markbr%radian@natinst.com) wrote:
: Too damn many people seem to
: think that if you sing, you are PERFORMING for THEIR entertainment. I 
: see this attitude among fen, these days, as well. I'm of the old school,
that
: I've seen called hootenany (as opposed to concert). Somebody drags out a
: filk song book (or some copied sheets to pass around), and we all sing out
: 
: Yes, there are performers I like to hear. But the current filk scene that
: I see is *overwhelmingly* tends towards "I perform, you listen", or "I don't
: want to hear *YOU*, *I* want to hear the performer!", and *I* don't get
: much chance to raise *my* voice in fun.
: 
Well, you're right that performance is overwhelmingly dominant these days, and
the hootenany style can be a lot of fun.  If you want one, why not organize
one?  Show up at a con with song sheets ready, and either gather folks in
a hallway or talk to the concom about getting a room one evening.  Then
sing the oldies to your heart's content.  You'd probably attract some folks
who don't even realize the style exists.  Heck, if I'm there, I'd love to
stop in for a while.

Mark Bernstein
markb@cimage.com

--- Squish v1.01
From: Mark.Perew@p201.f208.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: New around the courtyard....
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:27:18 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992

In a message of <Nov 03 02:29>, Steve Powell (1:374/1066) writes: 
 >Pardon me, but could someone confirm or deny my guess that
 >"filk music" refers to song parodies?

I'm sorry, but for national security reasons we can neither confirm nor deny
your hypothesis.

:-)

--- Mark Perew  Mark.Perew@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
From: lrfox@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (linda ream fox)
Subject: identify lyrics
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:26:24 GMT

A friend who claims his UNIX editors have been excommunicated (don't ask me,
that's all he said) wants to know the source of the following lyrics
(from somebody's .sig):

"The Devil take the men that killed the dream that died too soon,
"For all my dreams are haunted by a fire on the moon.

Send replies to tzbarasc@silver.ucs.indiana.edu; or reply here. 

LRFOX
From: Scott.Malcomson@f110.n114.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Poem
Date: 5 Nov 92 03:39:00 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992

This We'll Defend, a poem by Scott Malcomson
--------------------------------------------

There have been times
When I have seen
Blindness passing as t'were sight,

When politicians
Have decreed
That brightest sun is darkest night.

I watch my nation rise on high,
I feel the thunder in the street.
American sunset now is nigh
And soon we all shall feel the heat.

In these times,
When mortal men
Are as indiff'rent to our need

As forgotten gods
Of fallen lands
Who see to their own selfish greed,

Money talks and money buys
Our hearts and minds alike.
One day soon they all shall feel
The talons of the shrike.

There are times
When common men
Must rise up and regain control

Of common sense,
As once did
Their fathers long ago.

Words can hurt and words can heal;
The use of words now nears its end.
The cannons roar and troopers scream
Their proud refrain:

    "This we'll defend."


---LCD

This falls under blanket copyright conditions. If ya don't make a buck from
it,
I haven't got a problem as long as ya give me a cut. <gryn>


... But soft, what light through yonder tagline breaks?
--- Blue Wave/QBBS v2.10
From: Charlotte.Jerscheid@f1044.n261.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Hosing Down The Fridge
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 05 Nov 92  12:56:00

AB> CJ>  Hosing Down The Fridge
AB> CJ>  by A.D. Burrows
AB> CJ>  (Tune: "Bringing In The Sheaves(sp)", trad.)

AB> CJ> Tell him I'm printing this out and posting it on the
AB> CJ> refrigerator at church.

AB>Thanks, Kay, and please let her know that's she's very welcome to it.
AB>(I suppose I should get back onto Filk and tell her myself. The sysop
AB>kicked me off that board for being absent before I could tell him I was
AB>going to be away, though. Oh well....)
AB>               Allan

Kay, tell Allan he could do that, but he might get in trouble again.

                                                 <g>  csj
.
 * SLMR 2.0 * * <- Tribble       @ <- Tribble in a whirlpool
--- 
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
From: jtk@s1.gov (Jordin Kare)
Subject: Re: Instafilk
Organization: LLNL
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:41:59 GMT

>
> Row row Roanoke
> In southwest V A
> Boring me, boring me, boring me, boring me
> Thank God for SCA!
>
>--- Maximus 2.01wb

Following this and a previous parody of row, row, row..., I've
always been fond of:

Row, Row, Row your boat
Gently down the stream
Merril, Lynch, Pierce, Fenner, and Smith
Life is but a dream.

THere's also the mathematical version, which cannot be
written properly without a full Greek font, but transliterates to:

rho^3 dx * alpha e d(phi) * epsilon^4 delta = 3.1415....

or

Rho, rho, rho dx
alpha e d(phi)
epsilon epsilon epsilon epsilon
delta equals pi

	Jordin ("Numerical Methods in Poetry") Kare

-- 

	Jordin Kare	jtk@s1.gov	510-426-0363
From: Major.Matt.Mason@p11.f715.n273.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Sandworm on the Roof.
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Oct  1 1992
Date: 04 Nov 92  06:37:38

On 11/2/92, Joel Polowin said to Usenet concerning Chords/lyrics to Shai
Hulud...well...sortof...: 

  JP> Hmm. Shai Hulud, Shai Hulud, send me a worm 
  JP> Send me the guts, grant me the form 
  JP> Shai Hulud, Shai Hulud, send me to change
  JP> The nightmares that spice foretells...
  JP> 
  JP> [from "Sandworm On The Roof"  :-) ]

Right.

If I were a Fremen, yaidel daidel daidel daidel daidel daidel daidel dai...
All day long I'd hang out on the dunes
If I wore a stillsuit, man...

-MMM-

--- MacWoof Eval:25Oct92