From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: the US elections...
Date: 9 Nov 1992 21:21:52 GMT
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In article <2AFEADF4.29425@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
> In article <19043@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
> >
> >How many times does this have to be said:  LABELS WARNING OF
> >POTENTIALLY OBJECTIONABLE OR OBSCENE CONTENT DO NOT CONSTITUTE
> >CENSORSHIP!!  

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> 1) I am not in favor of censoring anything since de facto censorship of
> sensitive topics has gotten us where we are now.
> 
> 2) I am sick and fucking tired of being expected to defend some
> asshole's "right" to free expression using my body.  Like the black
> woman said, "If I end up cooking grits for the revolutionaries, it ain't
> my revolution." 
> 
> 3) I think Tipper Core is fundamentally harmless.
> 
> 4) I think consuming movies while bitching about record rating is
> hypocritical.
> 
> 5) I think Tipper Gore was trivialized in part because she is a
> Senator's wife.
> 
> 6) I think appealing to the Constitution to solve all life's little
> problems is the same as appealing to the Bible to solve all of life's
> little problems.
> 
> 7) I think doing one while denouncing the other and making jokes about
> it is hypocritical.
> 
> Now awaiting all the nonsense and accusations about how I support
> censorship and am a Tipper groupie and a castrating, man-hating bitch. 

I'm not going to call you a Tipper groupie or a castrating anything, but
I do think you and Richard don't understand Tipper's real agenda.  If it's
still available, PLEASE get a copy of her group's literature and read it.
Do you think most of the space is devoted to the women-hating, violent
lyrics that you object to?  Nope.  Most of the space is devoted to why
we need labels for "occult materials."  Who does she include in occult
materials?  George Harrison, for one, for daring to use Hindu symbolism.
What offends Tipper and Susan Baker is not necessarily what offends you. 
Their organization was against *us*, every bit as much as it was against
Prince or Madonna.

In other words, the halfway reasonable sounding stuff was just a ploy
to get public support for her agenda, and her agenda was something that
is directly dangerous to us and to our community.  When I sent for her
material, I thought she had a few valid points, but when I saw what she
was REALLY talking about she had me scared to death.  

Sigh.  One of the worst things about a divorce is losing parts of your
library.  I no longer have the pamphlets to quote from, and don't know 
where to get a copy.  If someone else has it, then could they please
post parts of it to show what I'm talking about?  It's been a long time
since I've read it.

If we're just debating record labelling or censorship that's one thing,
but please, please, please, don't support HER or you'll end up stabbing 
brothers and sisters in the back.

Dawn
"Hello death, goodbye Avenue A.  I'm getting tired of waiting, tired of
being afraid.  Joseph Campbell gave me hope and now I have been saved.
So I sing hello death, goodbye Avenue A."  "Folk Song" by Bongwater.

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