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From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 29 Dec 1992 21:27:20 GMT
Organization: UW Computing
NNTP-Posting-Host: red1.cac.washington.edu

In article <92364.122435RCE365@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <RCE365@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>
>If in U.S. court's eye, the judicial system in the foreign countryis
>competent enough, then the U.S. law will not interfere with the that
>matter. That however doesn'tforbid anybody from filing a case.
>
>At this jucture I would like topoint out Bhopal gas tragedy case. The
>Indian government tried to file the case in US, as it is a known fact
>that the US courts give large comensations ( The figure they were talking
>was over a billion $.) However they presented the case on the ground that
>the indian judicial system hasn't been exposed to such cases. The Union
>carbide wanted the case to be tried in India for the same monetery reason
> The US judge opined that the Indian courts arecompetent enough and so
>the case should be tried in INDIA and not US
>
>(finally the victims got around 500 million $ as a comp.)
>
>Abhay

And what, if anything, does this have to do with CHESS???

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Subject: Need help with GIICS!
Keywords: GIICS
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:30:08 GMT


I used to be able to use GIICS fine when I was unregistered on ICS.  Now
that I'm registered, it doesn't work.  Here's what happens:

When I log in using GIICS, it sends an extra carriage return or something
at the username prompt, causing ICS to repeat the prompt.  Then GIICS
sends the correct username, and ICS recognizes it.  So far, so OK, but
next ICS prompts for the password and GIICS sends that pesky extra
carriage return again!  So now ICS pops back to the username prompt, and
GIICS sends my password.  ICS thinks that this is my unregistered username
and proceeds from there.  Thus, I cannot use GIICS to get onto ICS as a
registered user!
 
I am using GIICS 1.53, the latest I could find on
valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu.  I have even tried editing the .CNF file and
removing alternately the carriage returns and line-feeds, to no avail. 
Does any kind soul out there know what's up and what I can do?
 
Thank you and happy holidays.
From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: To (mostly) all; Sven especially.
Date: 2 Jan 93 18:22:20 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
: In article <1757@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes:
: > 
: > No, man; the reason that people here don't like you is probably
: > very much akin to the reason people elsewhere don't like you:
: > you are rude, boorish, nasty, intolerant of the opinions of 
: > others, humorless, arrogant, smug, self-satisfied and 
: > loathsome.  
: > Little things like that.
: > 
: > Bill    
: 
: But Bill, those are my GOOD qualities!

Well, they certainly account for the fact that I like you.  Others
sometimes find them offputting, though.

Bill 

!
From: jacobson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Eliot T. Jacobson )
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Nice Pieces!
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:16:25 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

In article <1992Dec29.155525.5809@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.083303.179@ipact.com> pals@ipact.com writes:
>>I received one of the Kasparov chess sets that USCF sells (Garry-6) for
>>Christmas.  It is a beautiful set - the nicest I've ever used, which
>>includes the Jacques imitation set that USCF used to sell (although that
>>was a nice set, too).  All pieces are one-piece carved, and HEAVY.  At $89,
>>the light-dark brown boxwood set is a bargain, IMHO.  If you insist, for
>>another $110 you can get the light-black set where the black pieces are
>>ebony, but the dark pieces are plenty dark in the cheaper set.
>
>Kasparov Schmasparov!  Actually, I do believe it's a good set,
>but something about it bothers me.  Maybe it's the ads in
>Chess Life.  Maybe it's just the fact that it's name raises
>thoughts of Chess Life in my brain!

The problem with the chess life add is that stupid picture of the
girl with her hand over the pieces saying that Kasparov wanted them to
be designed to fit perfectly with the shape of the hand.  What bull.
You can take any set, take a pretty girl, and get her to maker her  hand
fit the shape of the pieces.  Just for fun, I tried it with my many sets,
and was able to do the same with every single set!  

It is an insult to my intelligence to use such advertising techniques, and
is one of the many reasons I boycott USCF sales.
>
>I've never liked ordering things from USCF.  I suppose it's
>mostly because I like to support smaller operations.  Fred
>Lindsay's Chess Supplies is my personal favorite, 'cause
>Fred has a cool mustache!  He sells a very very nice set
>for $80, and also some other not-quite-as-nice sets for
>about $50-$60.
>
>I would post Fred's number, but I do not have it handy
>at the moment.
>
>-Mark
From: fdelahan@math.uci.edu (Franz Delahan)
Subject: Re: Need help with GIICS!
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Keywords: GIICS
Date: 25 Dec 92 21:09:10 GMT

In article <BztvE9.BoJ@world.std.com> mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser) writes:
>
>I used to be able to use GIICS fine when I was unregistered on ICS.  Now
>that I'm registered, it doesn't work.  Here's what happens:
>
>When I log in using GIICS, it sends an extra carriage return or something
>at the username prompt, causing ICS to repeat the prompt.  Then GIICS
>sends the correct username, and ICS recognizes it.  So far, so OK, but
>next ICS prompts for the password and GIICS sends that pesky extra
>carriage return again!  So now ICS pops back to the username prompt, and
>GIICS sends my password.  ICS thinks that this is my unregistered username
>and proceeds from there.  Thus, I cannot use GIICS to get onto ICS as a
>registered user!
> 
>I am using GIICS 1.53, the latest I could find on
>valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu.  I have even tried editing the .CNF file and
>removing alternately the carriage returns and line-feeds, to no avail. 
>Does any kind soul out there know what's up and what I can do?
> 

I noticed that someone had replaced "\n" with "\r\n" in the messages
for version 1.53. I'm not sure why someone "fixed" 1.53.  I had the
same problem as you and so I use 1.51 which is still available.  All
versions have trouble with the new ICS 2.0 format. I've found the
problems and have corrected them in my personal version. This version is
not suitable for release since it is now too idiosyncratic, but I can
explain how to fix the problems.


--
Franz Delahan, Math. Dept., University of California at Irvine
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: aelan@orac.holonet.net (Mr. Uzi Ruskin)
Subject: Re: Chess computer game... which one?
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 07:36:59 GMT

patrick.mcdonald@f605.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Patrick McDonald) writes:

>Original to: Nllopis@Ecs.Umass.Edu
>Hi there, Nllopis@Ecs.Umass.Edu. On Dec 09, you wrote:

> -}I currently use Chessmaster 3000 and I think is great (with
> -}all the Mentor options and all that). 
> -}Are there any other ones as good or better?

>Many. Best are MCHESS and MCHESS PRO. Next would be ZARKOV and
>KNIGHTSTALKER. After this, REXCHESS. GRANDMASTER is a slightly weaker
>version of ZARKOV. All these are, however, much stronger than CM3000.

Or.. if it's true FUN you're looking for, I'd suggest any of the
BattleChess series, BattleChess: 3000 if you do not have a CD-ROM drive;
or Battle Chess: CD-ROM if you do. Admittedly, these do not have as
powerful alogorithms as all of the above, but they make chess much more fun!
Xref: sparky rec.games.chess:11828 rec.puzzles:8079
From: marcelk@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Marcel van Kervinck)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess,rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Chess Puzzle
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:44:10 GMT
Followup-To: rec.games.chess
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

J. Theodore Schuerzinger (J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu) wrote:
: 
: White  Black
:  ???   Bc8-b7+
: e2-e4  f4xe3+ (en passant)
: 
: Reaching the diagrammed position.
: 
: NOW I'm at a loss.

So am I, I just found major errors in the problem.  :-(
First let me explain the intended solution. The last moves
are intended as you found them. I planned Kf2-f3 as the move
preceeding these. So the position 'reached' is:

- - B - - - - -
o - - - - - - -
* - - - - - - -
- - - - - Q - -
- - - - - * - -
- - - - - - - -
- - - - o k - -
- - - - - - - K
position before  1. Kf2-f3 Bc8-b7+ 2. e2-e4 f4xe3++ e.p.

White's Kf2-f3 is bad, since a7-a8=Q+ draws the game.

Now, where did _I_ go wrong?
Unfortunately I completely ignored the possibilty of captures in the last
two reconstructed plies. Bc8-b7+ isn't the only unmove before e2-e4,
other possibilities are Bc8xXb7+, where X is P,N,B,R or Q.
Needless to say that these options make the problem worthless.
Also, considering Bc8-b7+ as the move before e2-e4, white could have
played Kf2xXf3 to reach the position, or even b6xXa7 !! (with
X any piece except K) I simply didn't think of all these possibilities
when I made up the problem.

Reformulating the problem by prohibiting captures in unmoves is
impossible since it also eliminates the en-passant capture. I'll try
to rescue the problem and post it to rec.games.chess whenever I think
I eliminated these errors.

    Marcel

--
Marcel van Kervinck
marcelk@stack.urc.tue.nl                                 
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:20:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.100929.710@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>
>Right. But, and make an honest effort to understand this, the states can only
>give up the powers they have. See, just because they get together they do not
>get new powers ou of the coalition. If Georgia lacked the power to convict you
>for playing chess in Yugoland, it couldn't give the federal government the
>ability to do so. (If I lack the power to fly, and I give you all my ability to
>fly, you STILL can't fly. Or, if I lack the ability attach your assets, I can't
>give someone else the ability to attach your assets.)

By this argument, no institution of the society could ever exist because it
couldn't have any abilities beyond the abilities of individuals. Police, army,
courts,... couldn't exist at any level.

>
>Rights can only be transfered and limited, not created. 
>
So how did we get any rights in the first place? (BTW, I won't buy any 
arguments using `God'.)

	Sven
From: Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Consensus? - Fischer at 2700+
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:09:07 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

A minor correction - GM Duncan Suttles has opined that Fischer played the
match at 2700+ (although, to be fair, I don't think this has appeared on the
net).

I point this out along with a reminder that you're only as strong as your
next game, not your last one, so the most realistic evaluation might be
"somewhere between 0 and 2700+".

As for the thought of a consensus on the net...
From: jay@tweekco.uucp (Jay Whitley)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Aufnahmevermogen?
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 17:39:20 PST
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615

Which is more important in chess:
Aufnahmevermogen  or  Aufmerksamkeitsverteilung?
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mrm7@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (michael.r.moroses)
Subject: Re: A game of chess with dmc!?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:27:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.072953.19625@midway.uchicago.edu> hau4@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <19028@mindlink.bc.ca> Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper) writes:
>>This should be a fun tournament.  Your play!
>>
>>[Sven - wait your turn].
>
>Well, in the meantime I read dmc's response to this (and so on) and it seems
>that my turn won't come because he'll never make a move.
>
>Interesting - he is just like Fischer, except for a minor :-) difference that
>he lacks the chess talent...
>
>	Sven


Well, I vote that they play in Yugoslavia.




Nude.
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 29 Dec 92 09:03:41 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec29.050948.22230@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
> In article <1992Dec28.104239.682@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec28.045402.13589@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
>>> In article <1992Dec21.101710.587@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>>>In article <1992Dec21.045954.5444@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Please go study your history.
>>> 
>>> I stand firmly behind what I have said. If you disagree, be specific.
>>
>>Fine. I disagree with your claim that the Nazis, in commiting their acts,
>>violated specific statutes.
> 
> Oh, in that case I disagree with your claim that every Jewish boy should be
> castrated.
> 
> (What? You didn't make such a claim? Who cares? Neither did I make the claim 
> you attribute to me.)

YOU compared Fischer to Nazi war criminals, else, my response to your post
would not have included a rebuttal stating such a claim was absurd. Just
because you are now discovering that your claim regarding Nazi War criminals
and our prosecution of them was PURE FANTASY ON SVEN'S PART does NOT mean that
you get to now claim you didn't say it. Sure, other countries prosecuted them,
and we may have lent our military lawyers to help 'seal a done deal', but no US
judge or jury passed sentence, and they were never convicted for any US law.


> 
>>1. Why the fuck couldn't you let the damned thread die? EVERYONE else had.
> 
> You haven't. Stop posting garbage and - lo and behold! - nobody will answer.
> 

For five days the hottest this area got was a debate on black being unable to
mate with white's help, and white being unable to not mate black. What happens?
SUPER SVEN jumps in with eight posts directed towards me. BUT, I am the one not
letting it die. That's pretty rich Sven. 

As for my posting garbage here, forgive me if I don't edit out your comments
before posting my replies...

>>2. What does THIS have to do with Chess? Take it to:
> 
> Nothing. - But did I start this thread?

Nope, just kept it alive to show your ignorance of law and history, AND prove
that some people just need to open that can 'o' worms one more time.


> 
>>[random noise deleted]
> 
>>Now, can we let this die, or do you want to be embarassed some more?
>>
> 
> I'm not embarassed, although I don't quite know why I am wasting my time when
> just about any normal person has already put you in the kill file...

Well, why don't YOU do the same, and do us ALL a favor.



> 
> 	Sven
> 


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: another chess mystery player
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:24:41 GMT

------------

This story concerns Charles E. Walter of Columbia, South Carolina. He's is a 
talented player who probably was rated 2150 or so then - but although he's over
2400 now I wonder if he's really much stronger now - I think rating inflation has 
contributed to his rise as much as anything. At the time he was the highest
rated player in South Carolina and one of the highest rated players in the 
entire South. He did some analysis for the Korchnoi/Mecking candidates match
in Augusta, Ga around '74. And then he didn't play chess for some 15 years or so
until fairly recently. Charles told me this story when I was a student at the U.
of South Carolina in the mid seventies. If anyone is in touch with Charles now -
please say hello to him for me! 

The time was during the 1970/1 or 1972 U.S. Junior Open. USCF expert 
Charles E. Walter of Columbia, South Carolina was playing speed chess with
three people at once. He was beating them all. One of the three got up, so
they needed a replacement for the third board. Charles invited a tall spectator
who first refused but then sat down as the third challenger after Charles
insisted. Charles had no idea who any of his challengers were.
Charles kept beating the first two players, but was having a bit of trouble
with the newcomer. Soon he found himself in a lost position against the 
newcomer, and after polishing off the other two players shooed them away and
concentrated on the newcomer. A crowd of spectators appeared, and Charles 
glanced up at his opponent and realized he was playing Bobby Fischer. 

After losing the first couple games, Bobby gave Charles pawn odds, but 
Charles still was crushed.  

Someone asked Bobby, "What are you doing here?" and 
Bobby replied,

"I got to be someplace!"

Maybe the U.S. Treasury Department should take note.

-Ron Birnbaum
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Don't blame lawyers!
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:26:02 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec29.172256.7142@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants) writes:
> In article <1992Dec26.182617.643@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>In article <1ha35qINN5ne@life.ai.mit.edu>, joltman@cookie-crisp.ai.mit.edu (T. Andy Frakes) writes:
>>
>>Make no mistake, my attacks are entirely serious.
>>
> 
> Yeah, that's what you think.

Well, from your content so far, you don't even have thoughts.

> 
>>> 
>>> Oh well.  I think I'll start reading this thread for a while in case it
>>> proves interesting.
>>
>>Not with such un-educable people as yourself jumping in...except, of course, to
>>those who have similar degrees of repsect for legitimate questions.
>>
> 
> Now, let's skip the rhetoric and get to the point here. And the point
> is, drum roll here, YOU ARE AN IDIOT or as T. Andy Frakes so precisely
> puts it, A MORON. People like Elliot Winslow are far too nice to
> seriously reply to the drivel you produce. You sound like Dennis Baker
> before he ever learned how the chess pieces move. Except that his
> articles at least were honest and carried some chess value. 

So? I notice you post lacks anything other than a personal attack. Perhaps you
have a viewpoint which you would care to offer.

Or are you just one of those whiners who sit back and bitch?


> 
> Leonid Frants.

Who is doing a real good imitation of a woman approaching day 28.


> 
> 
>
From: mginsbur@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Mark Ginsburg)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: TO THE GM's/IM's FROM DON
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:42:38 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business


I submit that the basis for stating that Fischer is not as good as he
was has been provided not only in Benjamin's article, but also
Dzindzihashvili's in _Chess Life_ and Ree's in _New In Chess_.  

I am interested to know if there are any dissenting opinions in the
ranks of GMs.  Of course, everybody agrees that he is still quite
strong.  Why such the furor over the statement that a 20-year layoff
might prove a little detrimental (as evidenced by the games)?

And, if there are no GMs who disagree with the notion that the
49-year old Fischer is tangibly weaker than the 29-year old Fischer,
does that mean anything or are they all deluded?  Just wondering.

(Let's keep this at the level of chess moves and games, please).

-mark
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mginsbur@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Mark Ginsburg)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: 1992 Pan-Am Intercollegiate result
Date: 2 Jan 93 21:29:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business



In the Pan-Ams, I ("aries") played an interesting game against
Jack Yoos, the first board for the winning Minnesota team.

I had Yulia Levitan on second board but we (NYU) dropped our last
match to Michigan Tech "A", falling back to 4-2.

Jack Yoos (U of M) 2439 - M Ginsburg (NYU) 

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cd 4. Nd4 e6 5. Nb5 d6 6. c4 a6
7. N5c3 Nf6 8. Be2 Be7 9. Be3 O-O 10. O-O Re8 11. f4 b6
12. Bf3 Bb7 13. a3 Bf8 14. b4 Qc7 15. Ra2 Rac8 16. Rc2 Nb8
17. Rc1

[Jack saw something like this in a recent Informant; white keeps
the knights on b1 and c3 supporting each other.  An interesting
idea.]

17...Nbd7 18. g4 h6 19. h4 Nh7 20. g5 hg 21. hg g6

[Now the situation is very tense...black looks OK though]

22. Rf2 Bg7 23. Rd2 d5! 24. cd ed 25. e5 N:e5!

[Uh-oh; white didn't see this]

26. fe Q:e5 27. Bd4 Qg3+ 28. Bg2 N:g5 29. Kf1 Rc4!

[white is now in a weird kind of full board zugzwang]

30. N:d5

[OK, what's black's next move?  Take a look at this position...]

30...Nf3!!

[a real bonecrusher.  Not so good was 30...R:c1 followed by
31...Nf3.]

31. Rdc2  and resigns 0-1

---
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: TO THE GM's/IM's FROM DON
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:25:49 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec22.145559.9569@iscsvax.uni.edu>, wallingf@nova.cs.uni.edu ( Eugene Wallingford ) writes:
> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>  
>>Oh sorry, next time unless it is posting of a game record, I'll route it
>>through you for you approval.
> 
>      Many of us would appreciate it if you would.  Joev, are you
>      up to the task?
> 
> 
> -- 
> ~~~~ Eugene Wallingford   ~~~~  Dept of Computer Science     ~~~~
> ~~~~ wallingf@cs.uni.edu  ~~~~  University of Northern Iowa  ~~~~

Eugene, if you do not how to operate your killfile, contact your computer
services people. It really is not that hard.


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: pardon Fischer?
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:09:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.201558.10703@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> seh@neutron.physics.arizona.edu (Steven E. Hoell) writes:
>So Bobby played chess in Yugoslavia and Willie
>smoked pot in Great Britain.
>
>
>Big forkin' deal.
>

Do you think people being slaughtered and women raped by high orders is also
`big f. deal'?

	Sven

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: pardon Fischer?
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:36:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.105837.686@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>
>[garbage disposed of]
>
>Some of us can tell the difference between playing chess and acts of war.
>

From your postings, it is not even clear that you know the rules of chess.

	Sven

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