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From: rck1@ellis.uchicago.edu (roberta chi-woon kwong)
Subject: Re: QL-Cancellation???
Reply-To: rck1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:42:51 GMT

Just an observation on this "QL should be canceled because they're
visibly running out of good ideas and starting to do weird things"
theory:

The hype has obviously been big on this season's episodes. Didn't
Bellisario say that they were out to expand to new areas, push the
boundaries, because it was "necessary to spice things up" (not a
direct quote) in the fifth season? The NBC promo dept., of course,
then grabs onto this and runs amok with it.

Without trying to second-guess anyone, it's a fairly logical
conclusion that Bellisario, in extending QL's premises, is
attempting to attract new viewers, while at the same time offering
"veteran" viewers some variety to keep them from growing bored and
drifting away. NBC's motives are a bit more obvious. In both cases,
ratings, demographics, audience numbers, or whatever term is
appropriate, is the key factor and goal.

But in attempting to "re-vamp" QL, Bellisario and co. are trying to
fix something that wasn't even broken in the first place. (The
re-mixed theme is a good example of this. So are the bent rules and
external influences/getting-away-from-the-simple-human-drama
stories, such as "Star Light, Star Bright" and "DUfE"...and "LHO,"
which I personally liked very much.) In particular, the
supernatural forces: if I'm getting involved in a story about
someone's personal life, I don't want to be looking out for, "what
weird phenomenon will happen next?" or playing, "where's Alia?" The
occasional "external forces" episode is good--I won't argue
that--but any more often and it becomes a distraction from the
original human drama that we began watching QL for. Through this,
"veteran" viewers are being lost. 

NBC, then, blows everything completely out of proportion in its
promos, making it even worse. They go for the spectacular and the
sex, which is *I'm sure* what QL is all about :-) I've had casual
viewers tell me they don't watch the newer episodes, since from the
promos it looks "too weird"--it's a QL they don't recognize
anymore. The same goes for new viewers--if promos like *these*
manage to catch people, what sort of entertainment will these
people be expecting to see when they tune in? The promos distort QL
so much that if "promo-caught" new viewers tune in, they won't find
what they're looking for. So we lose the casual viewers, and the
potential ones too.

Either way, viewers are being turned off. This leads to...increased
efforts to bring viewers back!--do something even more spectacular,
have the NBC promo dept. blow it up even more...And the cycle
starts all over again. It's a vicious circle, nothing more.
Somehow, there must be a way to get off the cycle...even if it
means staking something on viewers' tastes and moving QL back towards
its older style.

But it was such a *good* style.


Robin C. Kwong ("er)
				Leapers do it with...mirrors.
From: x92ochs1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Do you remember this tv series??
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:07:39 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Nov6.172729.20360@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, debbiek@rruxc.uucp (25670s-kennedy) writes:
> In article <rikmckinnis.1.720525717@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au>, rikmckinnis@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (KELLY-ANN MCKINNIS) writes:
>> I would like to find out the name of a tv series I used to watch around the 
>> early 80's I think. It was about a group of about 5 exchange students from 
>> different countries who were shipwrecked on an island.  The island was '
>> controlled' by some evil 'Lord' of some kind (I don't think I ever saw his 
>> face but he wore black alot and with a hood!). He could change the weather 
>> and used to cause lots of storms and dark weather etc. The students lived in 
>> the woods but made friends with a family in the village. The people in the 
>> village dressed as if they were from an older time as well.
>> 
>> There was also some sort of Island where the 'Lord' sent people to be 
>> slaves - it was kind of like a swamp - and no-one ever escaped alive from 
>> it.
>> 
>> Any info on this show would be appreciated.  Thanks!
>> 
>> Kelly-Ann
> 
> This sure sounds like Lord of the Flies to me.
> Was it THAT long ago?
> 
> Deb

 Lord of the Flies was originally a novel and a black and white movie.  Around
 1987? it was remade into a  more modern version.  I don't recall any villagers
 on the island with the boys- they were alone in Lord of the Flies and ran
 their own government and had their own battles and split up into 2 groups.
 I don't think it ever was a TV series, though.

 Jeff

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From: sallylb@netcom.com (Sally Smith)
Subject: Re: QL: Question
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:09:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.042320.10791@menudo.uh.edu> HADCUJEK@admin.uh.edu (Julia E. Kosatka) writes:

>Am I the *only* one out here who *hates* it when Sally is right!?!

No, I annoy myself frequently.

;-)

Sally
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From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: murphy brown - excellent!
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:16:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov10.191621.6843
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma

cindy@cs.cornell.edu (Cindy Robinson-Hubbell) writes:

> like the previous poster, i will not reveal what the baby's name
> is now.  but it's a name i don't believe i heard being tossed about
> as possible suggestions.  great choice.  no ... excellent choice --

Uhmmm...  It was published in TV Guide.  I don't think it's much of
a spoiler.  I agree with you about the name.

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From: davidd@hobbes.swdc.stratus.com (David Deisley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Live - "Da Bears"
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:35:25 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <1992Nov8.235846.20568@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK  Charlie) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.223521.900@inmet.camb.inmet.com> lenny@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Len Goodman) writes:
>>In the sketch about the Chicago Bears (Da Bears), George Wendt as 
>>Bob Swerski sits around a table in a restaurant (Ditka's ??) and 
>>talks to three Bears fanatics.  Two of these fans are regulars Mike 
>>Myers and Chris Farley.  However, I can't figure out who the third 
>>guy is.  Does anyone know??
>>
>>  Len Goodman (lenny@hobbs.hunt.inmet.com)
>
>I'm not sure what the 3rd guy's name is... He has been a writer on SNL for
>a long time...  I'm pretty sure he used to do Father Guido Sarducci (sp?)
>and a few other characters.  And, speaking of Mike Myers.. where has he 
>been lately? Anyone have any ideas? rumors? speculations?  I can't believe
>that he's left the show.

The other guy was Robert (?) Smigel (sp?).  He was on the cast at the beginning,
when the do the "and featuring...." members.

			David Deisley

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From: blee@bcarh13d.bnr.ca (Brian Lee)
Subject: QL: "DUfE": QL meets Star Wars
Reply-To: blee@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:16:17 GMT

   It would seem that Quantum Leap has now got up with Star Wars /
Return of the Jedi.

   Sam's speech to Alia about the good inside her and that she is not the
evil person she seems was remeniscent of Lukes speech to Darth Vader.
Luke saw good in Darth Vader buried deep below the dark side.  And we 
know what happened from there.

   I would surmise that this is there ultimate out of the series some day.
Sam convinces Alia (someday) to leave the dark side and perform a good 
deed.  This cancels out evil and low and behold they can both return home.

   Now the question is:  Is Alia Sam's mother ? His Wife ?

Brian

P.S.  Do any QL fans think that Sam has leaped Brandon on 90210 ?



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From: cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Cliff Chen)
Subject: NEXP: can't get alt.tv.northern-exp, huh?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:48:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.184644.12264@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) writes:
>In <RSG4U2V86@linac.fnal.gov> lewis@linac.fnal.gov (June Cummins Lewis) writes:
>
>>>Where are all the NEXP posters??  I loved our Bubble Man episode and
>>
>>There's a new newsgroup for NEXP watchers, but I can't post to it for
>>some reason.  I really miss the NEXP discussion on r.a.t.  Is anyone
>>out there in the same boat I am--a die-hard NEXP fan but unable to
>>post to the NEXP newsgroup?  
>
>Look, you want to discuss Northern Exposure?  DISCUSS.  Yeah, I'm one of the
>people who can't get a.tv.nexp; so I just post here.  However, whenever I
>miss posting one of my weekly semi-long reviews of NEXP in this group, everyone
>starts asking "what's happened to all the NEXP posters"?

	Well, for those of you who don't get alt.tv.northern-exp, there is
an alternative.  There is a Northern Exposure Mailing List now.
	Subscribe, I think, by sending a request to:

	trebuchet-request@noao.edu

	IF that doesn't work, then try trebuchet@noao.edu


					Cliff Chen
					cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
From: mchinni@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Michael J. Chinni (CCS) <mchinni>)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Herman's Head Question
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:30:35 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army  Armament Research Development & Engineering Center, Dover NJ

In article <92314.134603MSTBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> mstbh <MSTBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>  Does anyone recognize any of the actors from anywhere else?
>   The only one I recognized is Louise who does Lisa Simpson's voice and
>  appeared in City Slickers and The Legend of Billy Jean (or is it Ballad of..)
>    Anyone else?

I just realized where I've seen Mr. Bracken before. He was in an
episode of M*A*S*H (Charles has a bad toothache but denies it to
avoid a trip to the dentist episode). He played a Captain who was
impersonating a Major from the Inspector General's office. This
was the idea of Hawkeye, BJ and Charles to get a very racist Col.
to resign his commission.  After the Col. had resigned and left,
Hawkeye & BJ told Charles who the Captain really was - a dentist.
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From: mdm@bnr.ca (Diane MacMartin)
Subject: Re: Xmas Movies
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:24:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.144844.44508@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> pennelln@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>What's your favorite Christmas movie?  Something tells me I have every
>one known to God or man on tape, but I'd like to hear from all of you.
>Heck, writing about Christmas beats studying!!!!

The Christmas season isn't complete without watching
   It's a Wonderful Life.
I cry every time.  I have it on tape, and try to wrap my kids' presents
while watching.  Now that they're getting older, maybe it's time to set
up a family tradition of watching together.

I also enjoy 
   Miracle on 34th Street - the original (uncolorized!) version
   Holiday Inn
   White Christmas

This latter was a favorite of my sisters and myself in the mid 60's. It
was subsequently, as I understand it, "lost" for a period of time, never
on TV or released on video, until a couple of years ago.  It is not as
great a movie as I remember it, but my sisters and I still will
occasionally belt into a rousing rendition of "Sisters, sisters, there
were never such devoted sisters".

This song is much truer for us as adults than it was as kids!

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From: snoopy@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com (Cindy Camp)
Subject: Re: LGO: November 1  HELP!
Organization: Denver, Colorado
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:59:49 GMT

In article <1d955aINNbgr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bp979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark D. Rabinowitz) writes:
>
>  Hey, wait a minute. I know it was pre-empted, but later that 
>night, about 11:00, I turned on the TV to find that Pretty Woman
>was still on, not the 11:00 news. That means LGO may have aired 
>at 8, America's Funniest Stuff at 9, then Pretty Woman at 9:30.
>I'm pissed at myself for missing the episode of LGO if in fact 
>it aired--I'll take Kellie Martin, my teenage gourmet jellybean,
>over Julia Roberts or any other woman anyday. I hate missing her,
>not to mention the show.
>
>-Mark Rabinowitz, bp979 on the Freenet!



Well, I watched abc all evening up until the news came of
and LGO was not on in the midwest on Sunday.  Pretty Woman
was aired for 2.5 hours, Funniest Videos was on previous to
that, and the Natural Law stuff was before that.

Who knows???

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From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Subject: QL: Logo in PostScript
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:55:52 GMT

Is there a good (that is, stroked rather than just
scanned) copy of the Quantum Leap logo available in
PostScript?  I wanted one the other day and decided to ask
the net before I rolled my own.  If not, I'll go home and whip
one up and give it to the QL archives as well. 

ab
From: lewis@linac.fnal.gov (June Cummins Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: NEXP: article on Ruth-Ann
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:46:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: linac.RSG4U2V86
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL

>Where are all the NEXP posters??  I loved our Bubble Man episode and

There's a new newsgroup for NEXP watchers, but I can't post to it for
some reason.  I really miss the NEXP discussion on r.a.t.  Is anyone
out there in the same boat I am--a die-hard NEXP fan but unable to
post to the NEXP newsgroup?  Maybe we can get some discussion started
here again.

June Cummins Lewis

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From: craigs@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Stace)
Subject: Re: Xmas Movies
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:20:21 GMT

pennelln@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>This is my VERY first post, so if I screw it up, please forgive me! I
>have enjoyed reading all about the Christmas cartoons and Animagic 
>specials we've all known and loved, as well as the versios of Scrooge
>and "The House Without a Christmas Tree," but now I'd like to ask:
>What's your favorite Christmas movie?  Something tells me I have every
>one known to God or man on tape, but I'd like to hear from all of you.
>Heck, writing about Christmas beats studying!!!!
>		Nancy

Hard to say, really.  I can list the movies I most enjoy watching at Christmas
and never get tired of...

Scrooged (I'm a big Bill Murray fan)
It's a Wonderful life (in black and white, please)
Miracle on 34th street (ditto) (And the ORIGINAL!  Not that awful David Hartman
one.)

And (great, now I feel like those guys in the Frosted Flakes commercial)
National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation (ducking)

Hey, I like it.

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From: LEE@KUB.NL (W. Lee)
Subject: BH90210
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 11:09:09 GMT
Organization: Tilburg University, The Netherlands
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Can anyone please tell me how far behind we are here in The Netherlands ?

In our last episode, Brenda's parents know she had sex with Dyland. And
Brenda broke up with Dylan, and Brandon found a new job at the BH beach 
for the summer.

I think we're a season or 2 behind, is the right ??

Bye the way, I think that Kelly and Dylan will make a much better couple than 
Dylan and Brenda.





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From: krbnsn@shearson.com (Ken Robinson)
Subject: Re: Election night coverage
Reply-To: krbnsn@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Bothers
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:59:00 GMT

In article 20419@awdprime.austin.ibm.com, jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:
>
>Gee, did anyone else watch the ABC Presidential Election coverage
>where they had the woman press these 3 little buttons on her desk 
>and it looked like little hologram bar charts sprung up to indicate
>percentages for Bush, Clinton, and Perot? 
>
>Very cute.
>
>Craig

Yes, but what did she think of pushing those buttons and pretending to see the
bars.  I think sometime around 11:00pm (EST) she started to lose it a little bit,
when asked where the numbers were coming from, she replied "Out from my desk!"
But, still it was a cute effect.

Ken
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From: bf911@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David J Mulligan Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Herman's Head Question
Date: 9 Nov 1992 23:05:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bf911@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David J Mulligan Jr)
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In a previous article, c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK  Charlie) says:

>In article <92314.134603MSTBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> mstbh <MSTBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>>  Does anyone recognize any of the actors from anywhere else?
>>   The only one I recognized is Louise who does Lisa Simpson's voice and
>>  appeared in City Slickers and The Legend of Billy Jean (or is it Ballad of..)
>>    Anyone else?
>
>The only other person on Herman's Head I've seen before is the actor who
>plays Mr. Bracken.  I know I've seen him in the movie 'All of Me', but 
>I can't think of any other things he's been in.
>
>Charlie Cook

I've seen Mr Bracken somewhere else too, but I could never remember where.
Although this movie is not what I was thinking, I just saw him in WARGAMES
trying to help stop Joshua.

I've seen Herman in a few movies too.  The only one I can remember is 
MANNIQUINN 2, which is weird since I've never seen that one.

Oh.  Um, the guy who got Herman to jump out of the plane was Colonel Flagg
on M*A*S*H, plus other special appearances on other TV series.
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Subject: Seinfeld Newsgroup!
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From: faulkner@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shane P Faulkner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Live - "Da Bears"
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:43:29 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Nov8.235846.20568@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK  Charlie) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.223521.900@inmet.camb.inmet.com> lenny@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Len Goodman) writes:
>>In the sketch about the Chicago Bears (Da Bears), George Wendt as 
>>Bob Swerski sits around a table in a restaurant (Ditka's ??) and 
>>talks to three Bears fanatics.  Two of these fans are regulars Mike 
>>Myers and Chris Farley.  However, I can't figure out who the third 
>>guy is.  Does anyone know??
>>
>>  Len Goodman (lenny@hobbs.hunt.inmet.com)
>
>I'm not sure what the 3rd guy's name is... He has been a writer on SNL for
>a long time...  I'm pretty sure he used to do Father Guido Sarducci (sp?)
>and a few other characters.  And, speaking of Mike Myers.. where has he 
>been lately? Anyone have any ideas? rumors? speculations?  I can't believe
>that he's left the show.
>
>Charlie Cook

No... Father Guido Sarducci was (and still is) portrayed by Don Novello.  The
"3rd guy" in the "Da Bears" sketches is Robert Smiegel (sp?).  I think he
may be a current SNL writer.

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From: langbein@pilot.njin.net (John Langbein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: QL: DufE mistake?
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:36:03 GMT
Organization: Information Builders, Inc.

In article <1992Nov12.160921.519@bmerh85.bnr.ca> mhammond@bnr.ca (Mike Hammond) writes:

> In article <1992Nov11.215952.12228@leland.Stanford.EDU>, firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) writes:
> |> 
> |> Remember when Al and Sam talk about Trudy, and Al asks if Sam remembers her,
> |> and Sam replies he remembers Al talking about her?  I thought the sister
> |> died way before Sam and Al ever met -- is this a mistake or am I wrong?

> So Sam can remember Al talking about Trudy, even though Trudy died way before
> Sam and Al ever met. (Actually, to be honest, I'm not certain when Trudy died,
> and I don't think anyone's certain when Sam and Al met. It is possible that
> Trudy died shortly before or after Sam and Al met, but I don't think that's 
> likely.)

RE-watch 'Jimmy'. She died before Al enlisted, which puts the date in
the mid-50's. I also seem to remember Al mentioning the age of 16 or
18 for when Trudy died. Hey Sally or Deborah, could you post that part
of the QL-FAQL?

			John
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