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From: ress@bnr.ca (David Ress P040)
Subject: Re: Student seating
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:09:10 GMT

In article <TODD.92Nov5115336@ra.ra.me.wisc.edu>, todd@ra.ra.me.wisc.edu (Todd Jekel) writes:
|> 
|> Where do the students sit at your favorite university's basketball
|> games?  What are the advantages/disadvantages?  Specifically, the
|> effect on the opposing team.
|> 
 
It seems to me that it's not so much where they sit as it is the size of
the arena.  For example, some of the larger arenas such as Syracuse,
Louisville, Kentucky, North Carolina, while having vocal, supportive fans
do not tend to have that devastating affect on the opponents as do some of
the smaller houses such as those at Duke and NC State.

Of course, getting the students on the floor has the biggest impact, but
even in the end zones they can be pretty effective (e.g. Dookies).
Unfortunately, $$$$ often dictate the placement of the students.  This was
certainly the issue at Louisville where you'd see the wealthy 55 and over
crowd sitting complacently along the floor while the students would try
to create some havic from deep and high in the end zone.


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From: thmpsnmc@tomcat7.Berkeley.EDU (Milton C. Thompson)
Subject: Re: IU Scrimmage Report (late & long)
Reply-To: thmpsnmc@tomcat7.Berkeley.EDU (Milton C. Thompson)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:45:24 GMT

In article <BxMACK.50M@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
|> This file was accidentally sent to me via e-mail by Richard Pierce.  All
|> responses to this file should be directed tp rbpierce@silver.ucs.indiana.edu.
|> 
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:35:05 -0500
|> From: richard b pierce <rbpierce>
|> To: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
|> Subject: Indiana Intrasquad game
|> Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
|> In-Reply-To: <BxICu2.B0B@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
|> References: <1992Nov9.181320.11668@bsu-ucs>
|> Organization: Indiana University
|> Cc: rbpierce@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
|> Status: OR
|> 
|> 
|
|> 
|> The best part of the game was when Bob Knight took over the 
|> color commentary from the bench.  It was very enlightening to 
|> listen to is analyss of the game.  It seemed as if he was 
|> letting the viewers in on his thinking.  He was noticing things
|> that were hard to witness live.  I didn't see his points until
|> I saw it on tape.  
|> 
|> All in all IU is in decent shape.  There is that donut sized 
|> hole in themiddle which will cause problems on defense when
|> they run into the Glen Robinson's and the Chris Webber's of the
|> Big 10.  But, if any team knows how to play without a true center,
|> it's IU.  We haven'thad one in years.  Whover tries to play us 
|> man to man will have to prepare to have their center 15 feet
|> away from the basket.  Every center IU puts on the floor can
|> hit the jumper facing the basket.  Even Lindeman (when
|> he's wide open).  Forget playing a zone.  I'm not sureif IU
|> can be zoned.  They have a lot of good shooters.  
|> 
|> One of the players told me that they were concerned about the 
|> depth in the Big 10.  Especially Iowa and Michigan.  they
|> must have been concerned about Michigan's physical strength
|> because most of the veterans look very fit and pumped.
|> 
|>

As an Indiana fan how do you view the early season matchup of KU and the Hoosiers.  Are
they still steamed about the defeat in the  NCAA regional two years ago?  Does anyone feel
it will be a tough game or is it just another team being lead to the IU sacrifical altar?

			Craig Thompson

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From: piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL)
Subject: Re: Student seating
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:14:50 GMT

(Ronnie W. Smith) writes:
> (Todd Jekel) writes:
>>Where do the students sit at your favorite university's basketball
>>games?  What are the advantages/disadvantages?  Specifically, the
>>effect on the opposing team.
>>
>Obviously, not all places can do what Duke and Vandy do because they have
>rich alumni sitting in the nice seats down low on the court.

	Read: The University of Illinois at Champaign Urbana.
	The crummy side of the floor (with the press boxes between
	the B and A sections) is given to the students, while
	the "Fat Cats" sit on their derrieres on the good side.

	The alumns (including myself) complain about the lack
	of a real home court advantage, but the truth is, the
	students are put in a section where the game seems about
	as close as a 10 inch tv seems big.

	The only goos thing at Illinois is the Orange Crush section 
	which is really a few disjointed sections of floor seats. In
	order to get these seats, one must "try out" and promise to
	attend every game.

	I wonder if the Duke alumns would trade the extra wins for
	better seats? I doubt it...



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From: gillon@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: re: UMass or UMASS!
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:02:34 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

To those asking about how to pronounce Amherst, there's no `h'. Take 
it from me, even though it makes no sense. I'm from the area, where 
there is no sense at all.
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Illini News (Or, We're Recruiting *Him???*)
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:35:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bxo0uK.5Jy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

wlmg3055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William L. Myers) writes:
>Yes it seems Brooks had around 12 pts, 10 rbs and 6 assists.  If he can
>play consistent D I think the coaching staff will see that he gets his
>minutes.  But being a senior seems to have motivated him as often happens.

	Also, hopefully Brooks will have toned up his shooting.  This guy
	shot 30% from the field and 50% from the line last year?  YUCK!
	He definitely is a defensive stopper, but shape up that offense!

>I've seen Keene play 3 other times and he didn't hit the boards, so it's
>good to hear that he can jump a bit.  His high school coach mentioned that 
>he'd have to adjust to guarding bigger players, but I think
>Lou has a plan to deal with that, pine time.  

	Keene certainly can jump.  At the Midnight Madness practice, he was
	wowing the whole crowd (including me) with a bunch of big-time jams,
	including several reverses, and even a 180.  This guy certainly
	doesn't have white-man's disease.  And he's got the 90210 sideburns
	to boot!

>The improvement of the juniors and sophomores was desperately needed and it
>looks like it's happened.  Apparently Michael, Davidson, Clemons and 
>Bennett are all in the running for most improved over last year.  Practices 
>will finally be competetive again.   

	Kinda scary -- but if Deon sticks around for his senior year, these
	guys will have just about the most experience in the Big-10 (sans
	Michigan).  

>This is a surprising development.  Gibbons lists him at #84 in the rankings,
>primarily on potential.  If he could get his act together he's much better
>than that.  He is supposedly a good outside shot, rebounder and outlet passer.
>But he's huge and slow at his present wt.            

	I really don't know if signing Hamilton is in the best interest of either
	him, or for the U of I basketball team.  When's the last time the Illini
	had a big, lumbering center in their lineup?  The Illini thrive on
	athleticsm and quickness, something Hamilton doesn't really exhibit.
	I'd really be surprised if Hamilton (er, Landon Cox) chooses U of I.

	Jazzy J
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From: jmk.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Jim Kirkman)
Subject: Re: UNC, Duke, and ACC Trivia
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:56:26 GMT

In article <BxB0An.JLF@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>In article <6738@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Nov5.170642.19923@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov (Orin Day) writes:
>>
>>>
>>It took 20 years, since it happened in 1974.  Then they finished last or
>>tied for last for four years in a row. The coach in 1974 is one Nate McGeachy,
>>who is now a promoter in Fayetteville.  He was named coach right before the
>>season began, because Adolph Rupp backed out on Duke.  Yup, the Baron was
>>going to try to prove his doubters wrong by coming out of retirement, but he
>>begged off at the last second.
>
>I wonder if it is any coincidence that I'm still waiting for Ashley McGeachy
>to turn in her stories for the Daily Stupid basketball preview tab, which were
>due two days ago.  'Dem blasted McGeachys!
>
>>	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
>>"Marta likes to talk about sensuality; I say she wouldn't know sensuality if
>>it bit her on the ass."--Jack Handey
>
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Not to be picky but wasn't the man's name Neal McGeahy  and didn't he end
up as an assistant at Wake or something like that?
 
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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Washington State Recruits
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 04:34:39 GMT

The 1992-93 Cougars will feature the following new faces.

Mark Hendrickson - Freshman, Mt. Vernon HS, Mt. Vernon, WA
  6-8, 210 forward.  Player of the Year in the state of Washington.
  Versatile, can play either the three-guard or small forward (which
  should fit well with Sampson's system).  Was impressive in all rounds
  of the three-point shooting contest at Midnight Madness (MM).

Tavares Mack - Freshman, Nathan Hale HS, Seattle, WA
  6-9, 210 forward.  Runner-up to Hendrickson for Player of the Year.
  Might redshirt this season.  Didn't play much in the MM scrimmage.

Nathan Erdmann - Freshman, Portales HS, Portales, NM
  6-4, 185 guard.  Player of the Year in the state of New Mexico.
  Very athletic, can take the ball inside as well as shoot.  Was
  *very* impressive at MM in the slam dunk contest.

Tony Harris - Junior, transfer from College of So. Idaho
  6-3, 175 guard.  A true two-guard, will battle Eddie Hill for the
  starting pos.  Showed great athleticism (and lack of fear) in the
  MM slam dunk contest, losing to Erdmann in the final.  Also expected
  to be *very* good defensively.     

Fred Ferguson - Junior, transfer from Glen Oaks CC, Centerville, MI
  6-10, 215 center/forward.  Probably will see good PT on what is 
  otherwise a fairly young front line.  Didn't play much at MM.

There are also two walk-ons who were at MM for whom I have no info.

In addition, the returning Cougars are:

Bennie Seltzer
Eddie Hill
Rob Corkrum
David Vik (redshirted his sophomore season last year)
Dale Reed
Tommie Oatis
Joey Warmenhoven


Jim Jungbauer - r.s.bk.c pseudo-contact for the Washington State Cougars
                (I guess there really aren't contacts for this newsgroup,
                but anyone with questions concerning the Cougs is welcome
                to email me, and I'll try and help)

Go Cougs, Vikings, Northstars!

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: All-time Duke team poll: Results
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:26:20 GMT

In article <BxIt5o.Fxr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )  
writes:
> 
> 	Well, I have received and counted all votes (there were 8 responses
> 	and here is the All-time Duke team, as determined by netters:
> 	(1st team votes listed in parantheses)
> 
> 	G -- Danny Hurley -- 16(8) -- unanaminous choice
            ^^^^^^

Yeah, sure will.  Bye.

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From: elliott@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Elliott E. Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Pac-10 Tourney (Was: Re: First Anti-CBS comment of the season (was: Re: Pac-10 Expansion))
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:01:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.

In article <25913@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>In article <XJAM.92Nov4161334@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU>, xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer) writes:
>> Meanwhile, the !!PAC-10!! actually managed to make the championship game
>> quite boring. 
>
>Face it - the timing sucked. They decided to have the tourney at a time
>when Arizona was just about unbeatable in Pac-10 play. I believe
>the Cats were the only team to win the damn thing right? And the
>only place they could get any kind of crowd was in Arizona so they
>held it in the state 2-3 times I think - had it been implemented in
>a season like the one we are likely to see when the Pac-10, though
>weak, is probably more competitive top to bottom than it has been
>for some time I think it might have been more of a hit with the fans.

I thought it only happened twice, the first held at UCLA which they won
and the second held at Arizona which they won. 
-- 
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elliott@cs.uoregon.edu
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From: hatch@gandalf.nosc.mil (Mark D. Hatch)
Subject: Re: Another All-Time team
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:31:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.201449.6256@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> wingfiel@lonestar.utsa.edu (Kevin J. Wingfield) writes:
>In article <Bx94J1.8Mz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>         Kentucky
>>	G -- Frank Ramsey
>>	G -- Jack Givens
>>	F -- Cliff Hagan
>>	F -- Kenny Walker
>>	C -- Dan Issel

>        What about Pat Riley?  I am not sure of the yrs
>        of the team he was on but I know they went
>        to the finals and lost the West Texas College
>        (now The Univ. of Texas - El Paso) the first
>        all black team to become National Champions.
>        Also on his team were a few other names that need
>        to be considered but I can't remember them myself,,,ooops

Just a slight correction or two.  UTEP's name back in 1966 was Texas Western.
Also, the team was not all black, though the starting five (and the only two
reserves used in that game) were.  As someone who has read several articles
on this game in the past, I too should be able to remember more of the 
starting five for Kentucky, but Riley's name is the only one that pops into
my mind right now.  Now if you want to know the names of some of the 
starting five for the Miner's, that I can help you with.

							Mark Hatch
  


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From: brule@cheetah.cat.syr.edu (Mark R. Brule)
Subject: Re: SU
Keywords: suspension
Organization: Coherent Research, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 09:18:13 EST

In article <Bx9s5B.31@acsu.buffalo.edu> v003nnc3@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MR. BUNGLE) writes:
>Does anyone know if they are rated, even if they are on probation?
>

The CNN/Coaches poll will not rank them due to their probation.  I have not seen the AP guidlenines on this.  Anyone know?

Also - the Orange have a 2 year probation with 1 year tournament ban.  Does this mean that they won't appear in next year's CNN poll either?

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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: ACC Recruiting Update
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:24:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.7000
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <17473@borg.cs.unc.edu>, brawn@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Andy Brawn) writes:
>Apparently in Oak Hill Academy's first game Stackhouse scored 31 points much
>of which came on all-oop passes from McInnes (who scored 35).  
>Just though I'd offer Carolina fans a chance to be smug.

Don't forget that Oak Hill comes to Durham to play Hillside High Dec 4.
Seeing Stacks, McInnis and Ndiaye play should be interesting.
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Don't worry about the missed free throw, Christian.  We all make mistakes."
--Richard Nixon to Christian Laettner, after he missed the front end of a 
one-and-one with one second left, playing Arizona
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Another All-Time team
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:30:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bx94J1.8Mz
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana



	Since the all-time Duke team got so much response, I thought
	I'd start another thread of another all-time team for 
	another big-time school:  Kentucky.

	Now this one is tough.  Lots of players to select.  My
	thoughts:

	G -- Frank Ramsey
	G -- Jack Givens
	F -- Cliff Hagan
	F -- Kenny Walker
	C -- Dan Issel

	And, I'm probably leaving someone out.  I even moved Givens
	to guard to get Hagan into the lineup (even though Hagan played
	center in his day, I moved him to foward at 6'4"!).

	Or even an all-80's team -- this is tough!  Any comments?

	Jazzy J
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From: wilder@mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder)
Subject: Re: Kentucky VS Louisville
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: wilder
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:49:07 GMT

In <1dcvk0INN494@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:


|Well, the big intra-state rivalry will be very early in the season this year.
|I believe UK has only 1 or 2 games before they face the Cardinals.  I have a
|feeling this may be a UofL year, simply due to the fact that Louisville has
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|a team that has played together last year while UK may take a while to get
|team chemistry going.  Anyway, I'm expecting big years from both schools,
|but UofL has an edge (Can they capitalize?) in the Big Game (UK fans probably
|want to get rid of that high ranking expectation early anyway!)

Wanna bet? :-)


WOOF!

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From: rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: All Time Vandy-Team
Keywords: Combinatorial Explosion
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:25:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: stego.721067113
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

Well, why not!

Center - Clyde Lee (led Vandy to best NCAA Tourney finish, losing in region
                    finals in the mid 60's-the third deck was built in 
                    Memorial Gym to accomodate the crowds)
Forward - Jeff Fosnes (one of the famed F-troop of the mid 70's, he chose
                    medical school over the NBA)
Forward - Charles Davis (probably the most heralded recruit we ever got;
                    had a good first three years before injuries and the
                    advent of coach Richard Schmidt messed up his senior year)
Guard - Jan Van Breda Koff (It's hard to classify him; he jumped center as
                    well as ran the offense for Vandy's SEC championship 1974
                    team)
Guard - Barry Goheen (who else has ever hit more miracle shots?)

Honorable mentions
Butch Feher
Joe Ford
Mike Rhodes
Phil Cox
Will Purdue
Jeff Turner  (our Olympian)
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Polls, polls, polls
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:26:42 GMT

mix@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
>>
>> 11. Georgetown	360    
>>
>>   I think Georgetown, Louisville and UCLA are ranked too high; and Wake,
>> Florida, Boston College and especially Utah are ranked too low.
>> 
>	

>	If you think Georgetown is ranked too high, you haven't heard 
>about our new recruits, especially Othella Harrington.  He's the next 
>Dikembe, Mourning, and Ewing.	Look out Big East!!

	However, one guy does not make up a team.  If U want to bring up
	Mourning's freshman year, he had some solid veterans on that team
	(including Chris Smith, Jaren Jackson) to support the team while
	he roamed the middle.  Although Harrington will have good talent
	besides him in Brown and Churchwell, I don't think it's dnough
	for them to be ranked #11 in the nation.  More like 20+...

	Jazzy J
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From: jayakris@translab.its.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan)
Subject: Usenet top 25
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Nov 92 02:45:59 GMT
Distribution: na



  Was the Usenet top 25 preseason poll results ever posted here,
  or did I miss it ?

  Just curious... I am not really sleepless for not having seen it !

  Jay