From: jodar@aludra.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Implementation of Islam (was Re: Algeria Vs. the US )
Date: 14 Sep 1992 21:04:52 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Summary: Correction....
Keywords: Correction, Islam, Heads of State

Auzhu billahi min nash Shaitan nir ajeem.

Bismillah....

In article <BuLKwC.yH@ucunix.san.uc.edu> ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:

>>>>in an islamic country the khalifah or amir has the added responsibility
>>>>that all of the people are properly clothed and fed, not a single person
>>>>can go unclothed or unfed.

[deletion]

>>It is these days not possible, however, if you take the case of somalia
>>or even the plight of homeless people now in cincinnati, distribute your 
>>resources in the most equitable manner the problem can be greatly decreased.
>>some people mihgt not want to work well, good luck to them, but for those who
>>do, give them some start up capital or find use your zakat money to find
>>a job for them. 
>>
>>zafar minhas
>
>The system you described seems fair to me.  The last part is more like 
>communism, it cannot work as man is generally selfish.  

Man is generally lazy, too, but He manages to get things done....
Suffice it to say that it is entirely possible to clothe the
naked and feed the hungry within an Islamic Society.

>The system
>if implented properly can be extremely fair, but as you can see the
>Islamic system is implented all over the world by leaders who do so
>only to stay in power and it does not work as anything you have described.
>
>Manoj

Hmmmm....

I personally do not know of a single instance of the implementation 
of an 'Islamic system' on this planet.  (As of September 14th, 1992.)
Checking my world atlas, I don't seem to have missed any countries
out of negligence....

I'm SOMEwhat familiar with various countries which the West
REFERS to as 'Islamic,' but none of those territories implements
Islamic Law or Government.  Any confusion, then, would seem to 
stem from how one defines a system as being 'Islamic.'

I reject the notion that a State containing muslims qualifies as
an Islamic State.  By such definition, virtually the entire world
would classify as consisting of 'Islamic States.'  Nor do I
accept the premise that having a 'muslim' Head of State
implies the country itself is 'Islamic.'  That would imply that
places like Saudi Arabia and Singapore are 'Islamic States,'
which is not the case.  Lastly, I would argue that the concept of
a State being 'Islamic' because of any similarity to Islam is
ludicrous; Israel could then be considered an 'Islamic State.'

I would think that common sense would indicate that an 'Islamic
State' is one which is based upon an Islamic system of
government, governed by Islamic Law, within an Islamic political 
system.  Islam has its own Fiscal, Social, Political,
Educational, Religious, Judicial, Legislative, etc. policies and
structures.  A country which utilizes part of this system (eg.
the U.S. Bill of Rights) while ignoring the rest is not Islamic.

It is a fact that those who are not muslim most often know little
or nothing about Islam.  (Those that get to know Islam almost
always become muslims.)  It is also a fact, unfortunately, that 
many muslims are muslim only by tradition and are appallingly
ignorant regarding Islam.

(If the Christians can be ignorant about their religion, why
should the muslims be any different?)

In short, if you don't know the difference between mud and
manure, don't step in it.

-AQ

[I beg Allah's forgiveness for my weakness and insufficiency in ]
['His' service, and I ask for his protection from Shaitan and   ]
[from my own Desires.  None can protect me except Allah.  If I  ]
[have made any errors, I beg Allah to bring them to my attention]
[so that they may be corrected.  If I have made none, then it is]
[only through the Grace of Allah and all praise is due only to  ]
['Him.'                                                         ]

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