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From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: What is a "jake brake"?
Keywords: brake
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:36:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: research.1992Sep4.223635.2949
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.

In article <29aaqB4w165w@fringe.rain.com> dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) writes:
>jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Aug26.144306.28162@berlioz.nsc.com> alan@lancaster.nsc.com (T
>> >In article <1992Aug22.170200.11207@access.digex.com>, jimb@access.digex.com 
>> >|> 
>> >|> 
>> >|> They should outlaw those damn things EVERYWHERE...
>> >
>> >...and when a cement truck hauling 10 yards of wet cement rolls over your
>> >little putt-putt at the bottom of a loooooooong 6 1/2% down grade because
>> >his wheel brakes have overheated and faded you'll be saying "why didn't you
>> >use your Jake brake?". 
>> 
>> No... I'd say, "Why don't you get a good lawyer, 'cause you're gonna need 
>> one."  (Assuming I survived)  I'm sick & tired of seeing idiot
>> truck drivers hauling ass with a full load and driving like general
>> morons...  Every couple of months around here one of those
>> dump-truck-driving Mario Andretti wannabes gets into a (usually) fatal
>> rear-end collision with a 4 wheeler.  Not bright.
>> 
>> My problem with jake brakes is purely the fact that they can be heard for
>> several miles.  I don't believe noise is necessary for good braking...

	And someone else also claims that Jake Brakes are unnecessary.

	You should have seen the sight (and smelled the smell) I saw (and
smelled) on U.S. 30 just West of McConnellsburg, PA.  It is a very mountainous
area and the grades are VERY steep.  A trucker had to pull over because his
trailer brakes were ON FIRE.  You could barely see through the smoke, and the
smell of burning brake pads was unbearable.

	I'd take the Jake Brake over/in addition to conventional brakes every
time.  Put up with the noise and quit whining.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114   1983 Harley-Davidson FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	   (I need another bike for this space!)

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From: jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: National Commitee to Keep Slower Traffic Right
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:31:46 GMT

In article <1864ckINNqb1@agate.berkeley.edu> shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy) writes:
>>
>>Actually, if memory serves me correctly, the law in most states is 
>>written so that if you hit someone from behind, for whatever reason,
>>you are at fault.

I think it's true in most states.  It's one of those few traffic laws
which makes sense.  8^)

>
>If this is the case, how does one evaluate a situation where a chain 
>reaction occurred?

I think, in Germany, the *last* guy to try and fuse his car to the
car in front of him is responisble for ALL damage to ALL cars.
I think.  Somebody said that on the net quite a while ago.

In the States, I'd assume each driver pays for the damage his car causes.

>
>Just suppose that 6 cars were involved in a chain reaction accident.   
>Does that mean the person 1 can sue person 2 for hitting him from the
>rear.  Person 2 sues person 3 for the hit from behind and to cover suit
>from person 1?  And the cycle goes on and on....
>
>Isn't there some sort of law/rule which will determine who is at fault?
>Or is everyone fined for following too closely?

Maybe there is a law.  I'm curious, too.  It probably varies by locality.

Cheers



-- 
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From: walko%backyard@vttux1.vtt.fi (Leslie A. Walko)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: where to by Whistler Radar Detector
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:44:05 GMT
Reply-To: walko@bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore - Information Technology, Morristown, NJ
X-Gateway: ALEX.ims.bellcore.com
To:  news-post@ctt.bellcore.com



Are there any dealers for Whistler Radar Detectors in 
Northern New Jersey?  If so, where?

I'd like to buy a Whistler 5000SE since the Escort 3100 I have
give too many false alarms.

Thank you very much,

	--Leslie
	
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From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:08:50 GMT


In article <lasn58INN6a5@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>
>I admit that I'm coming in partway through the movie here, so I may have
>misread you, but you brought to mind one of my pet driving peeves:  Why 
>would anybody _want_ to leave more than a few feet of space between you
>and the car in front of you?

When moving, this is known as a "safe following distance."

>I don't know why, but there's an epidemic in my area (the San Francisco
>Peninsula and South Bay) of people leaving enormous amounts of space 
>between their car and the car ahead of them, or between their car and the 
>crosswalk, while stopped at red lights -- almost a full carlength in many
>cases.  Not only is that a waste of space, which is annoying in principle
>and inefficient during times of heavy traffic,

I suspect it's so that if the car should be rear ended, it won't be
pushed into the car in front/the intersection.

I'm not annoyed by this at all. In fact, I do it myself, and have done
so ever since I was rear ended at a stoplight by some dumb sh*t who was
looking at his watch. I was struck from behind, and it forced me into
the vehicle in front. Fortunately, the rearmost driver was insured, and
that covered the damage to both vehicles, but had he not been, I suspect
the driver ahead would have gone after *me* since it was my vehicle
which struck hers.

In short, it's an offshoot of defensive driving which one might call
"defensive standing." ;-) And don't worry, I won't even mention
"defensive parking" to you... ;-) ;-)

>I'm sure there's somebody out there, finger hovering over the "F" key, who's
>just itching to tell me that it won't kill me to be delayed for the time it
>takes the traffic signal to cycle around again.  Of course it won't

I wasn't going to say that, but you're absolutely right!

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From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:34:04 GMT


In article <1992Sep10.232348.28561@osf.org> kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.211346.8659@unixg.ubc.ca> tam@ocgy.ubc.ca writes:
>>I sometimes drive slowly to bait other drivers into passing me....
>
>Well! It's so nice when the traffic jerks ID themselves.

Yeah, they usually post obnoxious flames on Usenet. ;-)

Seriously, I read all of that post, and tam@ocgy struck me as a very
reasonable and sensible driver. Taking that line out of context might
make him look like a jerk at first, but the rest of his post thoroughly
negates that impression.

I took the sentence you quoted above to mean "I sometimes drive
slowly to bait other drivers WHO ARE TAILGATING ME into passing me..."
This interpretation makes perfect sense given the context of his
message. In fact, I have been known to do this myself. When a driver
tailgates me, the first thing I do is slow down to increase my following
distance from the car in front. That way, in case something happens,
I'll have more room to stop, and will be able to stop more slowly,
hopefully giving the tailgater more time to react and avoiud hitting me.

In short, lighten up. He's one of the few intelligent drivers out there.
Save your flames for the REAL jerks.
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From: eoates@us.oracle.com
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:11:29 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <18qmvlINN3ul@gilligan.East.Sun.COM>, mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
> In article <1992Sep11.145427.1413@access.digex.com> jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) writes:
>>In article <26219@dog.ee.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov writes:
>>>Maybe. Unless he chooses to do so while you're fiddling with the 
>>>buttons on the radio.
>>
>>Does this sort of thing scare the hell out of anybody else when they're 
>>a passenger in a car who's driver is doing it?  I.E., *you* see the 
>>line of stopped cars ahead, and *your* driver has his/her attention
>>(eyes) on something inside the car?  "Uh, Joe?  Joe?!  JOE!!"  "Huh?  Oh.
>>Scccreeeeech."  X^(
>>
> 
> When I was in the AF, I had a friend that would look DIRECTLY
> at you, and talk, while driving. We'd get into a conversation,
> he'd be talking, and I'd be going "Uh, Tony (Finger pointed to-
> wards the car in front, brake lights glowing)... TONY... (more
> pointing) DAMN, TONY! Look in front of you!". SCREECH!!!
> 
> That guy used to scare the life out of me...
> 
> -- Mike
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> My opinion, not my employer's

It can be even worse - there used to be a salesman here at Oracle who would
talk to people in the back seat while he was driving - and look right at them. 
Only went in his car once. I always drove after that...

Ed Oates (my opinions, not Oracle's)
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From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: An Amazing, Unbelievable Low-Mileage Car Story
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:10:21 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1737@aviary.Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM>  
dmarshal@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (Dave Marshall) writes:


> Her pay-off mileage?  17,441.7.  Seventeen thousand and change.  Less
> than ten miles a day.  Unbelievable.

Perhaps it 117,441.7

--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:04:55 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

>  Just remember that the car in front of you takes just as long
>as you do to stop,

Maybe. Unless he chooses to do so while you're fiddling with the 
buttons on the radio. Or stifling a sneeze. Or something.  Sorry, 
guys. I'm just not into blink-and-you're-dead driving on the 
public roads.  Too much liberty for "s. happens," y'know?  

I've just seen too many accidents caused or worsened by some damn
fool following too close too fast without enough attention. If
you're willing and able to spend your commute paying the kind of
excruciatingly close and _sustained_ attention that characterizes 
wheel-to-wheel racers, you can probably get away with it.  But that
kind of tailgater is outnumbered about a thousand to one by whippy
simpletons taking big risks for minimal benefit.

Follow the 18-Hour Bra Principle, folks: "lift.. and... separate!"  :)

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Another Ticket Question :-(
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:51:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.030943.7214@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> mf@dancer.uucp (24241-fusco) writes:
>In article <37872@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> svaldez@sdcc13.ucsd.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Sep9.203128.7095@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
>>>	Does anyone know a reliable way to find out which states have
>>>	reciprocity with which states (i.e. which tickets transfer to which
>>>	states)? I have asked in the states I got the tickets in and in my
>>>	home state of Idaho, but both DMVs claimed that all tickets transfer.
>>>	I don't believe them, it sounds like they say it just to scare you.
>>
>>Here are the member states in the Driver's License Compact: 
>>(info courtesy of Nolo Press)
>>
>>Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, DC,
>>Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine,
>>Maryland, Miss, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New
>>Mexico, New York, Oklahoma, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia,
>>Washington, West Virginia, Wyoming.
>>
>>New additions to the list:
>>
>>Idaho, Minnesota, New Hampshire 
>>
>> 
>	I received a ticket in Colorado before moving to NJ and it 
>never affected me here!  (I had also received tickets in Arizona
>years ago and they never affected me in Colorado.)
>Does this depend on the type of offense (they were both alleged sppeding)?

	The Driver's License Compact and one other compact apply to tickets
and such.  One compact says that visitors to a state will be held to the same
traffic laws as residents of the state.  A different compact has to do with
violations finding their way to your home DMV.  For the most part, a ticket in
another state will most likely not show up on the driving record of your home
state.

My $.02,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF    1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	            (I need another bike for this space!)

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From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: How can I change gear without using clutch?
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 01:16:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.224006.3080@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> u2116318@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>as the subject said
>how can i change gear while not using the clutch?

	This should be put in the FAQ, seeing as it gets asked about once every
	two days :-(

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From: avp@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Anthony Paul)
Subject: Re: Cobra radar detectors
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:44:02 GMT

teek@kingcong.UWaterloo.ca (Prateek Dwivedi) writes:

>Hey,

>I just asked this in the vw conference... but thought more would know here.

>I have just purschased a Cobra Stealth 3 band radar detector.... are these
>things actually Stealth from detector detectors?  I live in an area where
>radar detection is prohibited and the police use these detector detectors.

>Just a note... in talking to Beltronics... the detector detectors only work
>in a range of 200 yards.  Great in the day time... you can see them. But at
>night there's no chance.

>OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) have started sitting in their cars with their
>detector detectors on only (ie. no radar) so you have no chance. Stealth is
>the answer.

>Anyone have info on laser (as OPP started using them as well)?

>Thanks

>-- 
>Teek (Prateek Dwivedi)

I was caught on the 401 (Ot to TO) may 15/92.  The cop was using a 
hand held Ka band radar gun and also had a radar detector detector.
I only had my tructy(?) Cobra 3168 with me.  I never caught a whiff
of him and he clocked me at over 140km and knew I had a radar.

He told me that in about a month (from that date) they (the OPP)
would be getting Laser Radar detectors.

On another note, I'm from NF, and he was the nicest cop I ever
had the misfortune to meet.

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From: us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi)
Subject: Re: Reasonable and Sensible (was Re: Tailgaters abound)
Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN  55144-1000 US
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:59:04 GMT

From article <26246@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, by jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW):
> Just to forestall an oncoming tidal wave of slander: I'm actually
> fairly fast when and where it's safe.  But I just have to shake
> my head in baffled bemusement at the nuts who insist on crowding
> the limits of performance, reflexes, and visibility in town.
>

I drive in the top 90 percentile and somewhat agressively ON THE FREEWAY
where it was designed for speed.  In town, I do the limit.  On
my street, I do under the limit because 30 mph is way too fast for
all the kids, dogs and people out walking and playing.  I yell at
motorists that go to fast.  Excerbated drivers wait
behind me as a drive 40mph in a 40 zone.  Driving safely does
not mean driving fast or slow, it means driving in a manner
that doesn't endanger the lives of you or others.  80 mph on
open freeway is more than safe.

-- 
Steve Anastasi	
smanastasi@mmm.com
St. Paul, Minnesota
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: wong@tds213.uucp (Freeman Wong)
Subject: Re: Does a cop need to show you the RADAR reading?
Organization: Burns Fry Limited
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:08:28 GMT


Thanks for the replies.  The incidents happened in Toronto, Canada,
which I believe has got similar traffic laws as in the US.


KW.
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From: cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub)
Subject: Vehicles falling from vehicles
Organization: University of Colorado at Colorado Springs
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:53:45 GMT

A couple of years ago, i rode a plane to San Francisco to attend a
meeting.  I took a bus from the airport to the hotel.  We got caught
in a humungous traffic jam.  Well, to make a long story short, just
over the crest of a hill in the 2nd lane from the left was a semitrailer
with its nose to the pavement, and down the hill a ways on the right
shoulder was the tractor.  Standing outside the tractor scratching his
head was one (you fill in the word) truck driver.  I don't know if
there was a mechanical failure to the 5th wheel assembly or if things
just weren't coupled properly, but the look on the driver's face was
irreproducible.
-- 

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on leave at the University of Iowa  cdash@cs.uiowa.edu (319) 335-0739
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Subject: Flashing Headlights
From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:18:54 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1992Sep9.224315.6333@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
>When I'm out driving, and I see a "helper" flashing his break lights
>like a crazy fool...I can assume that he just passed a cop (prob. on his right
>sitting on the sidewalk or something)...do the headlights come into play
>ever? 90% of the time flashing headlights are another way of yelling
>"Hey you bastard"....

Well, I'm pleased to say that I avoided a speeding ticket on Monday
because someone flashed their highbeams at me. I was travelling at
about 120kmh (limit 100kmh)  and around the next corner was a revenue
collector.

Except for that it was a fun drive - any other Wellingtonians like the
Haywards Hill raceway? :-)

-- 
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 Technical Writer | 		      Vote MMP!
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From: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Subject: Re: 4x4  vs  4x2  ???
Reply-To: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 12:18:04 GMT

In article <_#rnc2.garyd@netcom.com>, garyd@netcom.com (Gary Dietz) writes:
|> I'm considering buying a pick up truck.  I'll be using it in snow country
|> 30% of the time.
|> 
|> Obviously, a 4 x 4 gives me more traction in bad weather.  But how much?

More traction, yes.  But not more road grip or adhesion.  Last year I heard a report that when I snows the incidents of accidents involving 4x's goes up because of a naive assumption that traction=adhesion.  

Buy the 4x4.

bob jernigan   I like my jeep. :)
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From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: Power sources for radar dectectors
Keywords: radar detectors
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 02:58:46 GMT

In <1992Sep4.192552.17463@athena.mit.edu>
   tafrakes@athena.mit.edu (T. Andy Frakes) writes:

>Does anyone have any advice on power sources for radar detectors
>other than the standard lighter jack.  Can you run it straight from
>the battery with a fused lead?  What about map lights, etc?  Could
>someone who's done this give some advice on a plan of action (i.e.
>installation pitfalls, etc)?  Thanks.

Well, I put a small DC power socket into the dome-light lens which is
on the centre-line of the roof and at the windscreen end on my Golf
GTI. There's power available there all the time (delay-switched), and
it was a very small cable run. The only trouble was with soldering to
the appropriate connections.

The advantage of the power socket location was proximity to the
detector location.

Eventually, I'll make a cable run down to an ignition-switched circuit
(means unclipping the headliner), so that the detector doesn't run
down the battery if I forget to unplug it.

BTW: the small DC power socket looks like it belongs there and cost
about a dollar. There's a 8A fuse for the light, and the detector
hardly draws anything compared to that.
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From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:17:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.125644.11853@cbnewse.cb.att.com> waco@cbnewse.cb.att.com (john.l.broughton) writes:
>  The mother of one of my wife's cousin's husbands was involved in...

The question is, *which* of wife's cousin's husbands?  How many does
she have, anyway?!  Which state(s) does she live in?

I know, I know; "the mother of the husband of one of my wife's cousins"
is pretty unwieldy too, but it took me a while to parse that one.  How
about "the mother of all cousins"?  :-)
____________________________________________________________________________
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PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!