HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kyraan@bach.udel.edu (Stephen Ch Litterst)
Subject: Re: Clueless hetboys and bi's
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:28:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.234036.12906@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dms4s@helga13.acc.Virginia.EDU (Sailor on the Seas of Fate) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.225716.21801@reed.edu> tjewell@gluttony.reed.edu (Teresa Jewell) writes:
>>In article <1k0ghk$47a@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S.  
>>Rapoport) writes:
>>> In article <1993Jan22.000051.10916@midway.uchicago.edu>  
>>elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>> 
>
>   Hmmm being new to this group I'm curious as to how many other
>straight guys are out there reading this who really give a damn about
>the issues and feelings expressed here?  I first read this group when
>a dear friend told me she is bisexual.  I was concerned about her and
>the emotional time she was going through.  I was curious about the
>type of lifestyle she was turning towards. 
>   I am very glad that I read this group.  I have discovered here a
>network of truly caring and loving people. I am constantly reassured
>that my bi friend is a member of good company.
>   And yes, i admit, I would like to watch sometime :).
>
>*HUG*s all around
>
>Dave
>
Just a warning, Dave.  That's why I started reading this group.  A dear 
friend of mine (hi Zoe!) was on a computer in the lab and hid the screen from
me so that I wouldn't be shocked by it.  Well, eventually she let me read the
article and I discovered she was bi.  I was intrigued by the notion of a group
that you could freely discuss these things on and went home, subscribed and
demuffined immediately.  Since then I've discovered that it is a wonderful 
caring place and that bi issues matter and can affect me too.  Then again I
just came out last week.  I'm having a few problems with it and really need
to talk to Jim, but that all goes in a different post at a later date. 
	Yes, there are other straights out there who give a hoot about bi
	issues and emotions.  Thank you all.

					*HUGS*
						Steve


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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jonesek@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Erik Reid Jones)
Subject: I'm in hell... or at least Purgatory...
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:32:31 GMT

I just want to take a moment to complain briefly here.  For
the past four years I have lived in Amherst, Massachusetts,
one of the leading centers of liberalism in this country!
(California, forgive me...)  Right next door was good old
Northampton where I spent a great deal of my time.  Now,
here I am, stuck in Cincinnati, Ohio, where absolutely
nothing happens.  No activism.  Very little liberalism.
Raving Republicans everywhere I turn.  I haven't seen a
pink triangle since I moved here in July, or any variations
on the such.  

I miss the Pioneer Valley so much.  Yet I 
am stuck here getting a degree until at least June of 1994.
I mean, the arts out here are quite nice (I'm attending
the Cincinnati Conservatory of Music) but the political
atmosphere is deplorable.  (Remember the Mapplethorpe
lawsuit?  Right here in good old Cincinnati.  As well as
Marge Schott, the Bengals and Victoria C., etc.)  It's
not fair.  What have I done to deserve to live in such an
atmosphere? :-)  OK, maybe that's a little heavy handed,
but you get my point.  It's such a rough change from 
Amherst/Northampton.  Anybody else out there have any
Cincinnati experiences (or this area), or any other
experiences with having to live in a very conservative
area for a great deal of time?  Just like to hear how
other people deal with it.  Thanks!

Erik R. Jones

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Bisexuality and androgyny
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:42:51 GMT

In <1k2a10INNq9o@network.ucsd.edu>
vanhoek@bend.ucsd.edu (Karen van Hoek) writes:

>[...] the idea that being bisexual means you don't
>notice or care about gender -- not true for me.  I like men who look
>masculine, with as many of the secondary sex characteristics as possible
>(deep voice, body hair, muscles, etc.), and I like women who look and
>dress feminine (I tend to wear skirts and makeup a fair bit, myself).

Me, too. :-)

>I wonder if I'm unusual, and if everyone else in the bi movement likes
>the androgynous look for both sexes.  Any comments?

I'm drawn to femininity, but more by envy and admiration, than by any 
desire to *do* anything of a sexual nature with/to the person in question.

Also, the type of woman I'm drawn to isn't the most conventionally
"sexy" type of woman (the sort they use to advertise cars ... ah, except
for the "Clio" girl -- she's nice -- and so is her Dad, come to that) ...
[where was I?] ...

It's something to do with fineness of features, wit, gentleness, grace,
understanding; a combination of intelligence with emotion. Hard to define.
But there's a lot of it about; I'm talking about something which *most*
women have a lot of (if faces are anything to go by, that is).

And it's all in my head, of course, because I can never approach any of 
these women; I can only gaze at them shyly in the Tube, when they're not
looking in my direction. (Even then, I'm reminded of my own yuckiness.)

At the same time, I'm waiting for a man I can click with, in some
equally mysterious way: someone who'll be a bit like myself, but also
more of a man than I am -- so that I can find an image, both of
masculinity and of myself as a man, which I can bear to live with.

At present, there is just the image of my father, which represents
misery beyond description; and the repellent, generalised image of the
Macho Man, whom I loathe beyond description -- and indeed, loathe beyond 
reason -- because there is something even in some "macho" men which I 
*could* like -- if only I were able to find some answering masculinity in
myself, instead of just this sheepishness and stupidity.

But I can find no masculinity in myself which answers the sexual call
from either sex. I wonder if I'm doomed to live only with images inside
my own head -- unless I do something as drastic as having hormone treatment
and getting my bits cut off, and seeing if I can make a better job of
pretending to be a woman than of pretending to be a man.

(Hope this wasn't too miserable a response! I really do like thinking
about what femininity means to me; it's just what masculinity means
that gets me so morbid, because there seems to be no escape from it, 
and no-one ever asked me what sex I wanted to be.)
--
Gus Rodgers,  Dept. of Computer Science, | Perhaps being a complete
Queen Mary & Westfield College, Mile End | idiot was overambitious.
Road, London, England.   +44 71 975 5241 | (From now on I'll settle
E-mail (JANET):   arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk | for moderate stupidity.)
From: alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:39:18 GMT
Organization: Stanford University Amateur Radio Club, California USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: w6yx.stanford.edu

In article <9301211006.AA27227@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>:   BTW, not surprised to see that those UK'ers find it odd to drink cold
>:   coffee--they find it odd to drink ANY coffee.  I wouldn't call the
>:   muddy instant stuff they serve over there coffee.  Nearly KILLED me,
>:   ya tea swillin' Brits! ;-P
>
>Not all of us.  I don't share the English's fascination with tea.
>
>I also know how to make proper coffee.  Killer Columbian, that's the ticket.
>
>G

Next  time I'm in the UK, I'm visiting YOU! ;->

Alpha


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From: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Schwartzberg, Queen of Spades)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: what is sex (was Re: Daoism, Pooh, and Bisexuals)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:25:50 GMT
Reply-To: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <1993Jan26.152422.10907@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.183116.26693@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker) writes:
>> [ .. ]  Is getting a stiffie when the cat curls up in
>>your lap sex?  
>>
>It's a very subtle reaction in which the body tries to throw the cat off,
>because it knows you could be doing something far more useful if you could
>get up and go, but all your voluntary systems are taken over by the wish
>not to disturb the cat, because it looks so peaceful and content, and is
>making this pleasant purring sound -- so the body has to use a conveniently
>available appendage which is under sub-conscious control, et voila!


In other words, yes.:-)

>--
>\S
>SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk | "Internet is so big, so powerful and pointless that for
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  -Schwartzberg
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells)
Subject: Re: Lovely film, I cried
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:13:23 GMT

In article <C1991q.FGr@fulcrum.co.uk>
 karlg@fulcrum.co.uk (Karl Greenow) writes:
>
>Seeing as how you're in the States, Piglet, I suppose the following
>sequence of words will mean nothing to you :-
>
>Rowan Atkinson. Barclaycard. Snake bite.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I may be in the states, but thanks to the wonders of Cable TV (on
someone else's TV, of course) I recognize the name Rowan Atkinson.
I think he is quite funny.  :)

Darren
("The French?  Are you here?")
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: How to have a good cry?
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:12:16 GMT

Oh dear, the flame wars are starting...  Anyway, if the more
discerning among you can manage to ignore them, I'd be grateful if you
could lend me an ear for a moment.  (Bi-relevance: none -- did you
expect any from me?)

I've been having a few emotional problems recently, which I won't go
into here (not while you're all busy flaming each other anyway!).
Suffice it to say that part of the cause is some events from 1989
which I haven't really got out of my system.  Last night I had an
arresting dream (if you can call it a dream -- it was very short and
in sound only).  In it I heard part of a song which was very evocative
of that period, "Twist in My Sobriety" by Tanita Tikaram, and then
a strangulated voice, which I recognized as my own, shouted: "Hey!
Can I have a good cry and get over it all, please?"

I immediately woke up -- it's rarely that your subconscious tells you
what it wants in *that* direct a fashion :-) .  The trouble is, I've
got rather out of practice at crying.  I can manage a few tears, but I
can't remember the last time I sat down and had a really good sob.  So
does anyone have any ideas about how to get the tears flowing?  I was
wondering if I should get hold of the song that was playing in the
dream, for instance.  Do people find it easier to cry alone, or do
they prefer a shoulder to cry on?

I'm quite happy for people to post replies, but email me if you prefer
-- it's a rather unusual subject and maybe you'd rather not risk
getting caught in the flame wars elsewhere.  (But it makes a change
from talking about sex, doesn't it?)

--
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Computer Laboratory                | Fax: +44 (0)223 334678
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From: mjw19@cl.cam.ac.uk (M.J. Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: I'm coming!
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:56:37 GMT
Reply-To: MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: The National Society for the Inversion of Cudddly Tigers

In article <7255@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> colin@manchester.ac.uk writes:
> [...stuff about *the* Cambridge...]
>
>   ``Is that the *the Cambridge?''
>
>   ``No, no - *a* Cambridge.''
>
>And a large sloppy smmoch goes to anyone who can name the british humourists,
>a sketch of whose of which that is a paraphrase.
>
> [...]
>
>Colin
>
>  Colin Dente                     | JANET: dente@uk.ac.manchester
>  Manchester Computing Centre     | ARPA:  dente@manchester.ac.uk
>  University of Manchester, UK    | UUCP:  ...!mcsun!ukc!manchester!dente
>             	   ... I can't even *think* straight ...

I'd guess at Fry and Laurie.

Anyway... Yes, *THE* Cambridge, you know, the one that beat Manchester to the
world's first stored program computer 8-).

Mike.
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker)
Subject: Re: Party Face, Net Face was Appearances on and off the net
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:49:54 GMT

In article <MUFFY.93Jan23184048@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.154817.11109@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
>>Eh?  How does doing the shopping or cleaning the house take on "an
>>overtly sexual nature"?  (The mind boggles...)

Well, you might look at the reports in various medical rags of
penile injuries sustained while housecleaning - usually with
a vacuum cleaner or other such appliance (I can't think why).

>Me, I clean in the nude...*grin*.  Some people seem to get excited
>watching other people work in the nude, I'm not sure why...*GRIN*.

And, for some reason, kitchens have become peculiarly erotically-charged
places for me ever since I met Justin...

				Kay
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the Crisco Kid: quiet, shy, mono, Armani-suited.  Not.  idx009@uk.ac.cov.cck
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ktfizazi@burst.Princeton.EDU (Kamal Tayeb Fizazi)
Subject: Re: What does "muffin" (& demuffin!) mean?
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: gia sou Martha!
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:34:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.010115.1153@Princeton.EDU> mhnatsis@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Martha Helen Natsis) writes:
>A quick question...
>What's a muffin?
>and how does one get demuffined?
>
>-still looking for a cute .sig

Well Martha, you were a muffin, and are one no longer!
*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*
(basically, you used to read this group silently, and not post, and now you
have taken that courageous step... into everyone's welcoming arms! Me gia!)
Since you don't live far, I won't extend lascivious greetings to you, but just
imagine what's going on in my mind! <wink> ;)
(wow! what a warm muffin!)
Kamal


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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst)
Subject: Re: soc.bi Frequently Answered Questions (FAQ)
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:31:57 GMT

In article <1jpkc1INN4mt@morrow.stanford.edu> alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.170725.7814@udel.edu> litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst) writes:
>>>
>>
>>I've got to get to Cally.  This "dyke" (her phrase, I was gonna say "woman")
>>is far too interesting.  
>>
>>				Steve L.
>
>Oh Steve.  You talker, you.
>
>Alpha
>

To quote one of my favorite muffins... "Actions speak louder than words, and
some actions make more noise than others."  Talking can be fun, but it is by
no means my strong point.

					Steve

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: Odd passage from a book in 1937...
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: Glad to be Sad
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:30:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.164214.1337@harlqn.co.uk> daveb@harlqn.co.uk (Dave Berry) writes:
>elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>>      Who knows if the time will not also come one day, when the
>>   highest class of people will be ambisexual,
>>                  - Dr. Johann Rutgers, 1937.
>>
>>   Of course, Rutgers didn't get EVERYTHING terribly accurate.
>
>I don't think that even the quoted text is accurate, at least not literally.
>We're not a "higher class of people" just because we're bisexual.
>
Given what else Elf says about Rutgers, I imagine the "highest" class
would be precisely that -- a ruling caste.  There's nothing to say
whether ambisexuals would be present in the lower classes or not.  It's
the classic if P then Q =/=> if Q then P :  All rulers are ambisexual,
not all ambisexuals are rulers -- this isn't a claim to superiority
*soley* on the basis of sexuality.  Although, thinking about it, it is
bi-supremacist, it isn't an automatic thing....

(Spot who's been to too many AI and Logic lectures recently....)

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From: mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthew J Brown)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:42:59
Organization: Department Of Computing, Imperial College, London.
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In-reply-to: iwatters@cix.compulink.co.uk's message of Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:30:00 +0000

In article <memo.893828@cix.compulink.co.uk> iwatters@cix.compulink.co.uk (Ian Watters) writes:

> Alpha:
>>Brits find the drinking of HERBAL tea an affectation beyond belief.  They
>>MUST have their caffeinated variety.

> Times change.  At the London Bi Group we sell roughly equal ammounts of
> herbal tea, "tea" and coffee.  Only two people take sugar in the latter two.

> Why anyone wants to drink anything other than grapefruit juice and lemonade
> is beyond me <grin>.

Look, you. When I turn up to the LBG, it's BECAUSE OF THE COFFEE so
don't knock it, OK?

*grins*

-Morven [ok, it's not even 9am yet, what do you expect?]

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Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:57:15 EST
From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: ST: Deep Space Nine, possible bi?
 <1993Jan22.034552.12746@news.cs.brandeis.edu>

Somewhat tangental - in one of Diane Duane's Star Trek novels, Kirk
gets to musing about pronouns (Horta crewmember is bringing Spock some
asteroid components data) and the subject of 'Starfleet standard gender
designations' comes up; the Horta's is something like 'B-12 orthomale'
which McCoy describes as 'close enough for jazz'.

Same author has a mess of tentacles tell Sulu 'not bad looking, for
homonid'.

So maybe there's hope.

Than again, I'm not holding my breath either.

Graydon
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: Parties (NJ and DE)
Keywords: Whatever.
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:34:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.235559.2790@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jbbell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rev. J. B. Bell, Ms.D.=) writes:
>Y'all pack your states so close together out here, I think I *was* in
>Wayne without even noticing.  Unless it was a different Wayne, which
>it could have been.
>
That is not all we pack close together.

>Anyway, seeing as UDel is crawling with bi's, and apparently it's easy
>to get there from Philadelphia, someone let me know when the next get-
>together is,  pretty please?  I've met precious few soc.bi'ers where
>I am in the exciting suburbian hell of Bryn Mawr.
>
Beg.  Beg. some more.  And we must have some postive contingency of 
reinforcement here, no?

>                         --Rev. J. B. Bell, Ms.D.
>


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Plummet headlong first.  Grasp the unattainable. Redfine all that has 
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bhat@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Timothy Alan Heath BELL)
Subject: Re: Unashamed....
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:08:42 GMT

yal@lingua.cltr.uq.OZ.AU (Yvette Lian) writes:

>Well, folks... this is a completely, utterly unashamed request for birthday
>greetings of any kind!  I turn 19 on the 31st of January (yippee).. I
>figure this post might have propagated by that stage :)

Happy Birthday!!!!!
(scream, shout, yell, whistle, etc.)


>I've just gotten home (well, I got home a few days ago) from my Senior NCO
>course for cadets... and, well... *she grins shyly and looks at her
>feet*... I duxed it... 80 people, and I duxed :)

>*grins some more and looks around shyly*

>(notice also the unashamed requests for e-congratulations for doing so
>great on her sergeant's course)

e-congratulations!!!!!!


>cu later!
>*hugs* to all who want/need them..

*e-birthday cake* to those for whom it is appropriate.

>Max
>(Or Yvette, for people like Nic who don't like to call me Max anymore :) )

Tim.
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