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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:53:27 GMT

brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:

>[arguements about non-white-males in positions of authority in TNG deleted]

>As with any show, they don't want to take too many risks at once.  When they
>first put TNG on the air, they weren't sure it would take off, much less
>speed out of the system at warp 9, so they didn't take any major risks like
>that (I'm not saying that I think they shouldn't show non-whites in positions
>of authority, or that its right the perception exists, put the flame throwers
>away).  Now, with Deep Space Nine, they obviously feel they have enough of a
>following to show the truth.. that there will be non-white and non-males and
>non-HUMANs in positions of authority.  Commander Sisko is a black human male.

He's the guy who played `Hawk' on "Specner for Hire" and the short lived
spin off of that which I think was intitled simply Hawk (proabably wrong...)
Just FYI.

>The only other humans in the revolving cast are O'Brien (my guess is for some
>continuity) and the Doctor.  The other main characters are a Ferengi male,
>a Bajoran woman (second in command, even), and a Trill female (if you can
>place a sexual orientation on a Trill).  I, for one, have grown tired of
>seeing mostly humans and men in positions of power, and I hope that DS9 will
>be a nice change.  (Oh, I forgot the other main character.. but is he male?
>he looks white... but he doesn't even know what he is...)

If I remember, he's (?) a shapeshifter.

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From: HR-5@ia.ph.bham.ac.uk (Connor MacLeod (of the Clan MacLeod))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: STVI Continuity error ?
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 92 15:13:52 GMT
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I'm sure somebody must have already mentioned this, but in Star Trek VI,
the cloaked bird of prey is defeated by a gas-seeking torpedo - Lt Uhuru
having suggested the use of 'the equipment we're carrying to chart
gaseous planetary anomolies' - How is it, then, that at the beginning
of the film, it is the Excelsior which is carrying this equipment, not
the Enterprise - in fact, the Enterprise is in space dock when Kirk et
al. first set off - thus (presumably) it has not got this equipment on
board ??
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Earl Grey is not proprietary, and definitely not a brand name
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:25:46 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <1992Dec10.010228.12037@pixar.com> Bruce@Pixar.com (Bruce Perens) writes:

>"Earl Gray" is a tea flavored with Bergamot (a citrus fruit) that is named
>after a British nobleman. It is manufactured by _many_ different tea
>companies and is not proprietary.

There is also a company selling something they call Earl Greyer Tea 
("even more of a good thing").  That, I suspect, is a trademark, so
don't expect to hear Picard ordering that. :-)
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: A must to see (hear)
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:12:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.140209.18466@hubcap.clemson.edu> charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:
>dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>
>>>I think this kind of everyday life and comedy is lacking from TNG.   I want a
>>>toilet scene, and I want it now.
>
>>Ah yes, what a good idea. Take valuable air time, and waste it on... crap.
>
>Hey, it's never stopped the Trek writers before!

Yes, sad but true...


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From: ahummel@ems.cdc.com (H. Austin Hummel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: SAVE THE TREES???
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:37:20 GMT
Reply-To: you@ems.cdc.com
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <1992Dec9.151130.2748@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, bakerje@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
|> HELLO?
|> 
|> 1. Why the hell are you talking about TREES in the alt.startrek.current
|>    group? Duh?
|> 
|> 2. The person that said to buy as many trees as you can and bury them into
|>    a land fill is either joking or butt dumb. If you are joking, that is fine
|>    but you should put a smiley face after it or something so that people don't
|>    think you are ignorant.  If you WEREN'T joking, get a clue! Burying trees
|>    will not prevent the CO2 from escaping into the atmosphere and trees 
|>    ARE the biggest producer of Oxygen in the world. Without them, we'd be
|>    dead.
|> 
|> 						Now, lets talk about
|> 						StarTrek, not TREES

The trees were saved in the computer on holodeck 3.  ;-)
From: egan@blkbox (Doug Egan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Chain of Command, Part I (comment)
Keywords: TNG
Date: 20 Dec 92 04:46:29 GMT
Organization: CVR


	I'll lay odds that the new captain of the Enterprise is a
     Cortasian (sp) spy!!!

Doug
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: When is/was Chain of Command I?
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:05:50 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Dec14.044714.27895@wuecl.wustl.edu> amc@wucs1.wustl.edu (Adam Costello) writes:
<I am totally confused now.  I thought for sure that some list said
<that the episodes were going to go Realm of Fear, another re-run,
<and then Chain of Command I.  I saw Realm of Fear on Saturday,
<5 Dec.  I didn't watch on Saturday, 12 Dec.  I expected to see
<CoC I on Saturday, 19 Dec.  Now I read that CoC II will air on
<Saturday, 19 Dec.  What's the deal?  Did I miss CoC I, or does
<"air" mean something other than "broadcast to the general
<populace on regular TV"?

Coc Pt 1 airs this week, starting 12/14/92.  It uplinked on 12/12/92.
Coc Pt 2 airs next week, starting 12/21/92.  It uplinked on 12/19/92.

<Also, any of you who are in the Milwaukee area: I am going to arrive
<in Milwaukee on Saturday, 19 Dec early in the afternoon.  On what
<channel and at what time is TNG shown?

ST:TNG airs on WGCV, channel 24, Friday nights at 9pm.  You will miss CoC 1.
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From: djredick@bluemoon.use.com (Darrin J. Redick)
Subject: Re: Episode Argument
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 07:58:16 EST

hodge3726@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

> Having an argument.  What was the name of the episode where Riker gets trappe
> in some alien holodeck and is convinced he is trapped by Romulans, latter to
> find out it is some kids playhouse set up by his parents.
> 
The episode is titled "Future Imperfect", which might imply a future 
episdode titled "Past Perfect".


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From: Cindy_Bale@net.com (Cindy Bale)
Subject: Re: DS9 in the Bay Area
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:13:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.233243.11962@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Okay, now I'm really confused -- maybe I missed a couple of posts.
> 
> Could someone please tell me in very small words exactly when DS9 premieres
> in the Bay Area and what its regular time slot will be?
> 
*******************************************************************************

On KBHK 44 the two hour premiere will be Thursday, January 7, 8 p.m - 10
p.m.  The regular time slot will be Thursdays at 9 p.m.  I believe that
channel 11 will be broadcasting on Saturday evenings.

Cindy Bale
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From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: DS9 in boston area?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:38:25 GMT

ok, i keep reading posts about DS9 here and there...
does anyone know what the story is for the boston area?

thanks

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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Chain of Command, Part I
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:03:15 GMT
Organization: University of Western Ont, London

In article <1992Dec20.044629.9170@blkbox>, egan@blkbox (Doug Egan) writes:
> 
> 	I'll lay odds that the new captain of the Enterprise is a
>      Cortasian (sp) spy!!!

I only caught the last 20 minutes of the episode, but you are probably
right. BTW did you recognize that new captain.

Yes... it is indeed Dick Jones, a senior management officer at Detroit's OCP
who pioneered the ED-209 model and killed a junior officer and attempted
to kill that junior officer's Robocop creation. When his complicity
in the murder of officer Murphy (after hiring Bodecker, who was played
by some guy who starred in V and also in Total Recall) was found out,
he held up a gun to the boss, the boss said "Your fired", and Robocop
wasted him. A wonderful human being in a great Paul Verhoeven movie.

Dick Jones (whatever his real name is) also starred as a police guy 
in the classic Beverly Hills Cop movies and also in Total Recall as
the bad-guy who ran Mars (and Bodecker as his deputy who was in love
with Sharon Stone). Another classic from Paul Verhoeven.

So when did he start playing bit parts on TV?

(comments: while some of this season's have been embarrasingly fun 
... Picard the 14 year old... this episode has been the best of the
season. I like the Cardassians - real nasty villains who have the
potential to be the next in the line of great alien races  - after
Klingons and Romulans, of course. Wouldn't they be great in the 
proposed ST:TNG post-tv motion pictures? )

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From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "Chain of Command
Keywords: Kick-ass captain!  troi gets slammed!
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:55:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec15.175535.18537
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Spoilers for Chain of Command, but only mild ones (haven't seen it myself)
:)



In article <BzADJJ.D89@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin) writes:  
>
>  As far as the implications of this episode are concerned, this should prove,
>beyond a doubt, that Star Fleet is a military organization.

But they also write:

>  This episode wasn't perfect, however.  We sincerly question the logic of
>Star Fleet high command sending three of its most decorated and honored
>officers into a suicide mission.

Gee, that indicates Starfleet has a lot of experience in military 
affairs.  I haven't seen CoC yet, so I won't make any final
judgements yet.  But I don't think anyone has ever argued
that Starfleet has no military *functions*.  I think that 
rather the argument is that it is not *primarily* a military
*organization*.  If it were primarily military, surely we
would have seen more competent people sent on such a mission,
or on a mission similar to the one Kirk undertook against the
Romulans in "The Enterprise Incident."

>First of all, we highly doubt that they
>are the three most qualified people, in all of Star Fleet, for this mission.
>Surely Star Fleet must have some specially trained Marines somewhere who are
>up to the task (the appearance of Colonel West in STVI gives credance to this
>theory).

Also, we don't know if Col. West is considered canon.  Considering
he is the *only* colonel we have seen in *all* of TOS, TFS, and TNG
(and I'm willing to bet DS9 too), I think one can make a case colonels
are *not* canon.  I think that's the reason he was edited out during
the theatrical release.

However, possibly there are a few Starfleet marines out there.  I doubt
it, but it's possible.  If they are there, there aren't many of them
in proportion to normal Starfleet officers.

P.S. I am not a "tree hugger."

>  The Boys of Dorm-Rec, in MyEmpire
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Starfleet is Communist
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:17:26 GMT

x91anderso33@gw.wmich.edu writes:

>I just read where one guy thought that all CO's are called "Captain" and all
>Execs are called "Commander" and another guy told him he was wrong, that people
>are ALWAYS called by their correct rank.
>In ST:TMP the first thing that I noticed (besides Scotty's gray hair and beer
>belly) was that everyone called Kirk "Captain" as soon as he took over the
>Enterprise. It was probably just out of habit, though, and I'm sure that when
>other Admirals take command of ships thay're called "Admiral."
>BTW, I still the guy who designed ST:TMP costumes should be put to sleep!

Didn't he take a temporary grade reducion? I know Dekker (sp?) did, (well
it was forced on him at any rate) but I don't remeber if Kirk did as well.
Hmmmm,

				CTB

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From: djredick@bluemoon.use.com (Darrin J. Redick)
Subject: Re: Show Us the Enterprise-B and E!
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 07:48:00 EST

cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:

> 
> There have been a lot of posts speculating about where the next
> movies and seasons of Star Trek and Star Trek: The Next Generation
> will go.  I think that they should show us the newer versions of
> the Enterprise!
> 
> For example, how about Star Trek VII?  Let's have Chekhov get his 
> first command.  Like Sulu's, it would be an Excelsior-Class, the
> Federation's newest ship-of-the-line, and it would be called the
> Enterprise-B!  It's probably not feasible, though...they'd probably
> have to destroy or retire the Enterprise-A first...
> 

If they did that, then the Enterprise-D wall chart that was just put out
several months ago would be in error, since it shows a different captain
for the Enterprise-B, Tomas someone or another.


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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: When is/was Chain of Command I?
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:12:56 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <Bz96I8.Cz7@mach1.wlu.ca> sweaver3@mach1.wlu.ca (scott weaver 9209 U) writes:
<Gregory O. Harp (harp@netcom.com) wrote:
<: I'm sort of ticked off myself.  
<: 
<: CoC I was aired tonight (12/13) in Dallas.  TV Guide listed the
<: episode as a repeat of Relics, and last night's episode was a repeat
<: of the one where Troi gets old (can't remember the name), as
<: accurately reported in TV Guide.  I missed the preview from last
<: night, so I had no warning about CoC I.  I never saw an ad or trailer
<: for it.  I just happened to switch channels about ten minutes in, and
<: spent the rest of the show wondering what the *hell* was going on.
<
<In southern Ontario, we got that one with Troi getting old too (on
<Saturday, 12 Dec.).  But according to the TV listings from the Toronto
<Star, we are getting the one with Scotty trapped inside the transporter
<cycle next weekend...  They haven't even mentioned CoC 1 or 2 here yet...

Didn't you see the promo at the end, or are you one of the lucky Canadian
viewer's who station is chopping the promo?
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From: kelsey@jupiter.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Mike Kelsey)
Subject: Re: Ferengi History question
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:13:55 GMT

In article <Bz5xBy.6p7@unix.amherst.edu>, aewright@unix.amherst.edu (Anthony E. Wright) writes:
|> A question about the Federation's history with the Ferengi, especially
|> the first contact.
|> 
|> One episode actually shows the first visual contact with Ferengi. The show
|> was in the first season, and it was there that Data was talking about all the
|> conflicitng information they had on the Ferengi, and the only thing they
|> really knew was their motto was "Let the Buyer Beware." They claim to know
|> nothing of their technology, they seem to know nothing of the ship until they
|> first sighted it.
|> 
|> However, later episodes call this episode into question. Apparently, Picard had
|> had first contact with the Ferengi previously, when commanding the Stargazer.
|> Apparently, this is when the "Picard Manuever" was created, and Picard blew
|> up the Ferengi ship, since it started firing on the Stargazer first. Picard was
|> supposedly court-martialed for this action, but let go.
|> 
|> This would seem to be a fairly serious continuity problem. When does the
|> Federation have first contact with the Ferengi? When does Picard? How did
|> Picard blow up a ship that he didn't even see? And finally, if we just got
|> introduced to this race, how come they are all over the place now? Anybody
|> got any definitive answers?
|> 
|> 					Peace,
|> 					Anthony
|> 
This is actually not a problem.  In "The Battle," when the Ferengi Daimon
"gave" the _Stargazer_ back to Picard and we learned about how it was lost, it
was made very clear that Picard was attacked by an unknown and unidentified
ship, which fired upon him without provocation.  Since the alien ship never
opened communications, and Picard destroyed it, there was no reason to connect
the Battle of Maxia (what the Ferengi called Picard's "incident") with the
Ferengi.
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From: 01klcampbell@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Kenton Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:30:44 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <_lm21c+@rpi.edu>, plutnj@aix.rpi.edu (James Matthew Plutnicki) writes:
>                                    There is no GOOD reason for her to be out
> of uniform while on the bridge or on duty.  During counseling sessions
> with patients, a more relaxed uniform may be appropriate but no on the bridge
> or during diplomatic functions.

I feel her wardrobe should match the occasion, just as Bev dresses for the
occasion.  She frequently wears those blue lab coats and such, but she 
does have a regulation uniform she wears when she's supposed to, such as 
the exchange of command from Picard to Jellico in CoCI.

Hopefully CoC will spawn more frequent use of Troi's uniform...there's no
reason she should be sitting on the bridge out of uniform.  Keep the body
stockings (if you're into that sort of thing) to off-bridge appearances.
   
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From: gp2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Greg Pallenik)
Subject: Re: Picard/Riker '96 (was Re: Wesley Crusher is returning???)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:07:10 GMT

In article <Bz40s8.zC@cmptrc.lonestar.org>, brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad
Barton) wrote:
> 
> >(Various headers and slogans deleted)
> >
> >Not True!  While Picard is ineligible (He is French by birth) Spock is quite
> >eligible, perhaps not canonically, but there has never been canon material
> >that contradicts this: Several of the TOS novels acknowledge that Amanda
> >Grayson is from the United States, and a couple specifically mention
> >Seattle, Washington as her birthplace.  As the husband of an American
> >citizen, that makes Sarek a citizen, too.  And Spock, as the offspring of
> >an American citizen, is a _natural-born_ US citizen, eligible for the
> >office of President or Vice-President once he reached the appropriate age.
> >
> Sorry, for the office of President, the person must not only be an American
> citizen, but born in the United States.  This is the only office that has
> such a constitutional stipulation.  I remember this because there was some
> question when I was a military dependant overseas that if a US dependent
> was born while their military parents were in a foreign country, would that
> person be eligible for prez?  There is currently no definitive answer since
> there has not yet been a precedent.

Okay, firts of all, I'd like to say that I had no intention of this string
becomming as intricate as it has, it was meant for fun.

You don't have to be born in the United States, but have to be born on
United States SOIL.  I, for example, was born on an American Naval base in
Sasabo, Japan, and I am eligible for the office (although I would much
prefer Captain of the big E).