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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:13:51 EST
Reply-To:     Don Logan <dlogan@MGH.COM>
From:         Don Logan <dlogan@MGH.COM>
Subject:      Spies
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Byte your tongue
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:35:30 EST
Reply-To:     Ron Field <71024.1033@COMPUSERVE.COM>
From:         Ron Field <71024.1033@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      Uk Help

Hi everyone,

I'm looking for someone from London, England that would know what county
Acton is in, its the one that's just south, west of London and north, east
of Mortlake, Surrey. I would also like to find someone who's familiar with
St. Catherines House.

Any help would be great,
Thanks ,

Ron Field
Guelph, Ontario
Canada

  Searching --> FIELD, HEFFERNAN, GORDON, MILROY
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:35:32 -0500
Reply-To:     "Helmut J. Jungschaffer" <usr9428a@TSO.UC.EDU>
From:         "Helmut J. Jungschaffer" <usr9428a@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      Bounced mail
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Sorry to post this to the list, but attempts at personal mail failed.
Original message follows:



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From: usr9428a@tso.uc.EDU (Helmut J. Jungschaffer)
Subject: Great Dukedom
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From your last name I would infer an Eastern origin.  "Great Dukedom" sounds
like a too literal translation of the German "Grossherzogtum" = Grand Duchy.
Off the top of my head I can think of the Grand Duchy of Warsaw which was
in existence from napoleonic times until it became a kingdom around mid-19th
century.  There might have been a few other grand duchies around, especially
in the Austrian part of that area but I don't know any for sure without
going back to history books.
Helmut

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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:12:54 -0500
Reply-To:     "Allen R. Watts" <usr12138@TSO.UC.EDU>
From:         "Allen R. Watts" <usr12138@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      KENTUCKY NEWSPAPER INDEXING PROJECT
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I have started a indexing project of Kentucky small town newspapers.
Currently being indexed (subject and personal name) are:
CARROLLTON DEMOCRAT, Carroll County, Ky., indexed from 1868 up to 1889.
BOONE COUNTY RECORDER, Boone County, Ky., indexed from 1875 up to 1891.
HARLAN DAILY ENTERPRISE, Harlan County, Ky., indexed from 1922 up to 1925.
NEWS HERALD, Owen County, Ky., indexed from 1905 up to 1913.
OWSLEY COUNTY NEWS, Owsley County, Ky., indexed from 1934 up to 1952.
HAZEL GREEN HERALD, Wolfe County, Ky., indexed from 1885 up to 1896.

All of these newspapers are ongoing projects with other dates to be added
in the near future.  Along with other counties to be added, starting in
Eastern Kentucky.  Anybody needing anything looked up in these
particular counties, or information on these indexes please contact me.
Anybody researching county history in any of these counties, there were
lots of history buried away in these old newspapers.  Thanks Allen.
From: ctp@cs.utexas.edu (Clyde T. Poole)
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Subject: GEDCOM to Tiny Tafel for the Macintosh
Date: 16 Nov 1992 14:07:26 -0600
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Some of you may recognize me as having asked about a GEDCOM to Tiny Tafel
conversion program for the Macintosh awhile back.

Since there didn't seem to be one, I decided to write one.  After brushing
up my C and learning to deal with the Macintosh Graphical User Interface
(what a pain), I have a "beta" version of the program running.  I am looking
for a FEW brave souls to test it on their Macintosh GEDCOM files.  Note:

	(1) I have tested the program only under Mac OS 7.0.1
	(2) I have tested it only with GEDCOM files produced by PAF 2.1
	(3) It produces a good Tiny Tafel but the TT will require some
		editing using your favorite editor prior to submission.
		This is mainly because there is no editor in the program
		yet and there is no way to set options, like "ignore
		single females" or "ignore one generation families"

If you would like to try out the program, drop me e-mail.

ctp
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From: "ray whidden" <ray.whidden@canrem.com>
Subject: family history center
Reply-To: "ray whidden" <ray.whidden@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
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Date: 21 Nov 92 13:00:21 EST

In an article, Karl-Heinz Meurer (jokerman@i1.informatik.rwth-aachen.de)
 
KM>    Subject: Family History Centers of the Mormons in Germany

(I am picking up this message on a PCBoard based PC-BBS which is
unable to show the full Subject field)

KM>I would like to know something about the Mormons
KM>and their connection to genealogy, especially, whether
KM>they have archived microfilms of church registers in
KM>any way. Could somebody help me?

They certainly have archived microfilms of German church registers.
To find out which ones, you'll have to contact your nearest Church
of Latter Day Saints (LDS - English spelling; I'm not sure what a German
spelling would be, sorry) and ask about the nearest Family History
Center (FHC).  In the USA and Canada, these are usually staffed by 
volunteers and they have a set of microfilms of local interest in 
their library.  However, to access what you likely want, you must 
consult a catalogue, perhaps on microfilm or microfiche, and determine 
the title and order number of the film you want.  You order it from 
Salt Lake City, Utah (SLC) and when it arrives, you reserve some time 
at a microfilm viewing station and search away.  

In the Toronto area LDS FHC, it cost about $4.00 to order the film
and it would remain at the FHC for 4-6 weeks.  For a further $2.00,
I was able to keep it for six months.  It is then returned to SLC.

Good luck in your search.

Regards, Ray

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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:11:24 CST
Reply-To:     Bill Green <green@plains.NoDak.Edu>
From:         Brad Green <green@PLAINS.NODAK.EDU>
Subject:      Vitals/Afro-American Genealogy
Comments: To: Genealogy Discussion List <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.Edu>

The Vital-NW (Nationwide) file has just been updated to add the
Sons of Union Veterans address.  This file also has the addresses for
the Afro-American Historical and Genealogical Society and the African-
American Family History Association, for those interested in Afro-American
genealogy.  THis file has a list of the national offices for various
organizations, as well as descriptions of what records are kept and
for what periods, in Vital Records offices.

To get the file:

a) send an email message to LISTSERV@VM1.NoDak.Edu with the message
                            ^^^^^^^^
   "get GENEALOG VITAL-NW"  The subject line is ignored.

b) ftp to VM1.NoDak.Edu, cd to ROOTS-L and "get GENEALOG.VITAL-NW".

Notice using email, there is no period after GENEALOG, and ftp there is.

You can get a list of all the files available by sending the message
"INDEX ROOTS-L" to the LISTSERV.

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From: tswift@well.sf.ca.us (Theodore John Swift)
Subject: New address for California Vital Records
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:56:29 GMT


I seem to remember someone asking about where to write for vital
records information in California.  Just last weekend I was at a
genealogy society meeting and found a small notice that indicated
 that the address had changed as of, I believe, July 1992.  Here it is:

State Dept of Health Services
Office of State Registrar
304 S Street
PO Box 730241
Sacramento, CA 94244-0241

Good hunting, all!
-Ted
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:42:38 -0500
Reply-To:     "Allen R. Watts" <usr12138@TSO.UC.EDU>
From:         "Allen R. Watts" <usr12138@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      boone county kentucky
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.EDU

i have been working on a personal name and subject index for "the boone
county recorder" newspaper.  this particular index is finished for the
years 1875 up to 1891.  anybody wanting information on this project please
contact me.  allen
From: Brian.Mavrogeorge@p0.f30.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Mavrogeorge)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Sutro Library described
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:53:42 GMT
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Small correction. Sutro library is part of the State of California library system, not San Francisco. 


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From: alan@essex.ac.uk [Alan M Stanier]
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Subject: Re: On line census info in UK?
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:26:39 GMT
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Also sprach alan@essex.ac.uk (me)
}Only a few have been transcribed. I have collected as many as
}I can lay my hands on, but I still have only 2.5% of the 1841

Sorry, that should have read 1851

}records, and a very few from other census years.
}(anyone got any others for my collection?)
}
}I've written a program that will take a list of surnames, and
}print out all households containing someone by any of those
}surnames. I'd be happy to run the program for anyone interested.

I should have said that my program searches for the surnames exactly as given -
if you want me to search for variant forms, you must specify each variant as
a separate name.


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From: aet@ucs.usl.edu (Towster Alicia E.)
Subject: "marker" names
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:47:11 GMT

I am interested in your comments on what I call "marker names" -- 
since I don't know of any other term for this phenomenon. (Does 
anyone else out there?)

By "marker name" I mean a name which (1) a family favors as an 
appropriate name for several generations of children and which (2) 
is sufficiently unusual that to come across a person of this name 
quickly produces the hypothesis that s/he is a relative. (Some 
marker names are *so* unusual that this hypothesis springs to mind 
regardless of the surname; others may only take on significance in 
combination with particular family names.)

I have found marker names particularly helpful in tracing families 
whose surnames are too common to easily identify relatives. For 
example, my Jones family became possible to trace only after I 
realized that the given name Mosias was a useful clue. More than 
useful, for *every* Mosias, regardless of surname, in any American 
record I have so far located, is descended from a Mosias Jones, the 
earliest I have found, who seems to have died in a shipwreck in late 
1720 or early 1721. (Have an American Mosias in your tree? I'd like 
to hear from you.)

Whether a name is unusual or not may depend on when and where it 
was used. Mosias may not be a marker name in pre-1700 Wales for 
example. (Does anyone out there know?) Sometimes I come across 
names which look like they might have marker potential, only to find 
they were common at one time and have simply gone out of style. For 
example, Permelia, which I have now found in too many contexts to 
believe it is unusual or significant. Does anyone know of any studies 
of the frequency of given names in past times and places? This could 
be a help in deciding whether you are looking at a clue or a passing 
style. 

The greatest hindrance in making good use of marker names is that 
no one seems to realize that it can be useful. Book indexes and 
computer databases are only made to work with surnames. How 
helpful it could be to be able to answer questions like:

- how many females named Sidney are found in Virginia records 
prior to 1800?
- which families in Kentucky or Missouri 1800-1860 included a male 
named Chatham?

or simply:
-Display everyone in the database named Mosias.

If there is some way to search the computerized IGI for *first* 
name, matching on *any* last name, please tell me! I will be so 
delighted!

Alicia Towster
towster@usl.edu

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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:20:36 EDT
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From:         DLALLY@STLAWU.BITNET
Subject:      German-American History of the Ohio Valley

I have just completed translation of a German-American history of the
Ohio Valley, first published in 1864.  It has very extensive indices of
original German names, placenames and publications.  If anyone is interested
send me  private e-mail.


Cordially

Dale V Lally Jr, Director
Carnegie Language Center
St. Lawrence University
Canton NY 13617
(315) 379 5857 VOICE
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From: fireman@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Gwyn Fireman)
Subject: Address for Reunion:  Mac gene. software
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:12:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.4323.10578@dosgate>, "ray whidden" <ray.whidden@canrem.com> writes...
>Do you have an address that Reunion can be ordered from.  I'm in the 
>Toronto, Ontario area and haven't seen it in the local computer stores.

	Hi, Ray -

	Although it's not listed in their catalog, Reunion is available from
MacConnection for $115.  The address is:

	MacConnection
	14 Mill Street
	Marlow, NH 03456  USA
	(800) 800-2222

I called to verify this tonight, and the operator said that this number should
apply to Canada as well.  VISA and MASTERCARD are accepted; shipping charges
are higher to Canada.

	I don't know about the software itself, but a brochure and samples of
Reunion are available from the author:

	Leister Productions
	14 Hill Blvd.		(coincidence?)
	Mechanicsburg, PA 17055  USA
	(717) 697-1378  (voice)
	(717) 697-4373  (fax)

	I'll also e-mail you the review that Tom Lincoln put together.  Good
luck!

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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:45:02 -0600
Reply-To:     "John Carroll at home" <eldon@TENET.EDU>
From:         "John Carroll at home" <eldon@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Newberry Library
Comments: To: Steve McNutt <Z1SSM@ttuvm1.bitnet>
Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list ROOTS-L <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

On Sun, 15 Nov 1992, Steve McNutt wrote:

> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:32:51 CST
> From: Steve McNutt <Z1SSM@ttuvm1.bitnet>
> To: Multiple recipients of list ROOTS-L <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>
> Subject: Newberry Library
>
>      I was looking through "The Newberry Library Genealogical Index" and found
> several entries that look like they might be promising. I was wondering if
> anybody knew anything about the Newberry Library (i.e.- If there's any way to
> get information without actually going to Chicago; if there's anyway to access
> their library by computer; any type of interlibrary loan, etc...?)
>

I'm also interested in any info on the Newberry. Maybe some other folks
are as well. Please post to the net any findings.
Thanks
JC
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:50:29 EST
From: <TSMITH@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Franklin PA & Washington MD Counties

Hello.

I have been searching my family history in Franklin County Pennsylvania and
neighboring Washington County Maryland for about 10 years.  I would be
interested in corresponding and sharing information with anyone searching in
that area, particularly researching the following family names:

SMITH, DIEHL (DEAL,DEALE,DALE,DEEL), ANGLE, GEHR, HENNEBERGER, RICE, KIBLER,
SCHAEFFER (various spellings), BRUBAKER, CARNEY, RICE, MYERS, SHEELEY,
BARNHEISEL, RUTHRAUFF,

Thanks.
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From: barrus@cod.nosc.mil
Subject: MacMunn
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:56:14 GMT



	Anybody researching the name MacMunn or McMunn?  Anybody?

Joe (barrus@cod.nosc.mil)



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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:19:10 CST
Reply-To:     Bill Green <green@plains.nodak.edu>
From:         Brad Green <green@PLAINS.NODAK.EDU>
Subject:      Library Guides
Comments: To: Genealogy Discussion List <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.Edu>

To answer the question about Internet libraries, there's a file on the
listserv, GENEALOG INTERLIB, that's about 59.2k long.  The full version of
worldwide libraries, databases and other sources is 307k long, and very
big but complete.  There's also a document titled "Library Resources on
the Internet - Strategies For Selection and Use" that explains the
Internet library system (no sites, just how to use), and it's about
109.2K long.

You can get the how to guide by ftp from dla.ucop.edu (directory
pub/internet/libcat-guide) and the complete library listing from
ariel.unm.edu (directory library/internet.library), or send me a note
and I'll forward them on (for the next week, until I get them printed
out).

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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:57:00 EST
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From:         "EMIS2::REEDL" <REEDL%EMIS2.decnet@GW1.HANSCOM.AF.MIL>
Subject: re: marker names
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                          E L E C T R O N I C   M A I L
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                                        Date:      23-Nov-1992 14:57
                                        From:      LtC Lawrence A. Reed
                                        Username:  REEDL
                                        Dept:      ESC/TNU-2
                                        Tel No:    (617) 377-9578

TO:  _WINS%                               ( _DDN[ROOTS-L@VM1.NODAK.EDU] )


Subject: re:  "marker" names

Alicia has quantified/qualified something that has been useful to me on a
couple of occasions:

Thomas Porter settled Northampton, MA in 1730
     son - Gehiel Porter - b Northampton, MA
         - son Luther Porter b Northampton, MA

Gehiel Porter 1850 Fed Census OH (w/family) b. MA
Luther Porter 1860 Fed Census OH (w/family of Gehiel above & 10 yrs older)
     son - Luther J. Porter

I tried for some time to make sense out of the above - then came across
family history that pointed out the the family names of Gehiel (Jehiel)
and Luther were interchanged generationally - So the Gehiel and Luther above
turned out to be the same guy (Jehiel Luther Porter) and his son was Luther
Jehiel Porter.  And with those names what are the odds they are NOT related??


Likewise Rotheus Hayward Scott & Son Hayward Rotheus Scott - names
interchanged generationally.  What are the chances of a Rotheus Scott later
NOT being related.

I like the concept and it has worked out well for me.

Larry Reed
reedL@gw1.hanscom.af.mil
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