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From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: The Bahai faith: References, prophecies and prophets
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:05:05 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Apr5.010513.5726@menudo.uh.edu>, mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh) writes:
> I have received requests for the references on my article. Here, they are.
> References:
> 1. Bahaulla and the new era: J.E.Esslemont
> 2. Buddha Maitrya-Amitabha has appeared : Jamshed K. Fozdar
> 3. God passes by: Shoggi Effendi
> 
> I briefly outline the fulfillment of the Hindu prophecy as outlined in Ref2.
> I personally do not care much for the prophecies.
> 
> One eon consists of 12000 years. 1000 , 2000, 3000, 4000 respectively for
> Krat(Sat), Treta, Dwapar and Kali. Combined with the joining periods of
> 400,300,200,100 years at each ends. Thus Ram at the joining of Treta and
> Dwapar and Krishna at the joining of Dwapar and Kali. Based on the marking
> event of the end of the Kali: Sun, moon and Jupiter in one line: the year
> is marked as 1943. Thus the avtar between 1543 and 1943. Then the exact date
> 1817 was calculated based on some intricate mathematics. The buddhist prophecies
> are much more detailed and constitutes the most of the book. Siddhartha was 
> described to have arrived at the mid point of the Kali as 4000 years is too
> much for the humanity to be left away for the divine guidance. No mention of
> Christ or Muhammad in Hindu/Buddhist prophecies is due to the fact that these
> faiths will already be impure by the time it reaches the Hindu/Buddhists.
> 
> Some comments by Bahaulla on prophets:
> Were any of the all-embracing Manifestations of God to declare:"I am God,"
> He, verily speaketh the truth, and no doubt attached thereto. For it hath
> been repeatedly demonstrated that through their Revelation, their attributes
> and names, the Revelation of God, His names and His attributes, are made 
> manifest in the world. Thus, he hath revealed: : "Those shafts were God's
> not Thine." And were any of them to voice the utterance, "I am the messenger
> of God," He also speaketh the truth, the indubitable truth. Even as he saith:
> "Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but He is the messenger of 
> God." Viwed in this light, they are all but messengers of the ideal King, that
> unchangable essence. And were they all to proclaim, "I am the Seal of the
> prophets," they verily, utter but the truth, beyond the faintest shadow of 
> doubt. For they are all but one person, one soul, one spirit, one being, one 
> revelation. They are all the manifestation of the "Beginning" and the "End,"
> the "First" and the "Last," the "Seen" and the "Hidden"--all of which pertain
> to Him who is the Innermost spirit of spirits and eternal essence of essences.
> Arindam
> 

Baha'ullah was knee deep in tassawuf.

zafar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: cregis@cs.ulowell.edu (Charles Regis)
Subject: Re: More Tiger trash
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:30:27 GMT


I suggest that we stop all this discussion on the subject of TIGERS and
other LTTE related activities. Ranjit, a Sri Lankan Tamil(note : not Tamil,
but SL Tamil!) has just been spewing his crap on this newsgroup and glorifying
LTTE, who most of the civilised world consider as a TERRORIST organization.

India provided help in trying to accomodate these refugees, and the only
result is that these people came to India and caused problems even before
the accord! They have forgotten the blowing-up of trains, arson, looting
committed by these LTTE terrorists in Madras, Madurai, Trichy area. It is
very sad that these people blame the IPKF for all the problems. Have they
forgotten what the LTTE have done to their own people?? I personally know
of at least 3 SL Tamil families who have suffered at their hands from SL.
They said of the torture they received at the hands of these terrorist. The
SL army has its faults, the IPKF had its faults, but the LTTE was the WORST!
Have these people forgotten how the riots of 83 started in the first place?
To refresh your memories :

It was the raping of 6 Sinhalese women in the Jaffna area and cutting up
their bodies into pieces and throwing them around in the heart of Colombo.

What about the bomb explosion in Madras airport? That bomb was supposed to
have exploded in an Air Lanka aircraft bound for London that evening, but
due to some last minute screw-up, it landed up in Madras. Please do not
forget this was before the accord.

Lets drop this topic and get on with other news and stuff. Its no point
arguing with these people. I feel very very sorry for them. Both sides will
not agree. Lets not waste precious bandwidth.

                                                      --  Charles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: rbhatnag@uceng.UC.EDU (raj bhatnagar)
Subject: Re: Kashmir: some questions?
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:50:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.015947.9726@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:

>That's why I propose the economic union. Once such an union is allowed the
>states will not have an urge to secceed. Only when something is forbidden; the
>urge to achieve the forbidden occurs.
>Arindam
> 

And in this proposed union the following will have to be forbidden :

1. Waging of war on other members of the union to enforce your
   own versions of trading rights, river water rights, etc.

2. Forming of military alliances by some members directed against
   other members.

3. Refusal to take part in the collective defense due to personal
   animosities against aggression from non-members of this
   economic union.

(I guess the above points to the situation of the pre-British 
 situation in India - made up of 500+ principalities)



---raj
From: suraj@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (suraj rengarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Looking for Silajit Banerjee@ Wash. State Pullman
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:00:12 GMT
Reply-To: suraj@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (suraj rengarajan)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: suraj@doc.cc.utexas.edu


	Looking for any info on the whereabouts of Silajit.
	Grad. student in Architecture( ex JJ School of Arch. B'bay )


							suraj.

ps This is a posting for Robi Banerjee@ utaustin.
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From: mm@icase.edu (Mala Mehrotra)
Subject: Looking for Yogendra Nath Tiwari
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:09:46 GMT

A friend of mine (Sudhir Mehrotra, ViGYAN Inc., Hampton, VA.) is looking for his friend
from IIT, Kanpur (graduated in '68). Anyone with the relevant information, please send
mail to mm@icase.edu - as I do not subscribe to this group.
From: ps44+@andrew.cmu.edu (Preeti Sharma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indian Classical Music Concert in Raleigh, NC
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:46:15 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Did Mr. Ranjith R. Suresh, suddenly discover the BBoard or what???
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: movies (on behalf of a friend vikram)
From: mallick@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (MALLICK, KESHAW)
Date: 11 Apr 1992 19:50 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Keywords: Canadian Masaala
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

After M.Masaala seems like there is another movie MASAALA made by some krishna 
of Toronto. Looks like the masaala wave is catching. Read the review of this
movie in the march issue of India Today. Anybody has seen this movie and would
like to give their comments.

Thanks.
From: A0K5719@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: re:Madhushala
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:42:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University


 One  of my favoriates from Madhushala:
 
mere adharon par ho antim vastu na tulasi jal haala
meri jivha par ho antim vastu na ganga jal haala
mere shav ke peeche chalne walo, yaad ise rakhna
ram naam hai satya na kahna, kahna sachi hi madhushala.
 
anil
From: rpandrav@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (R.  Pandravada   et240 Fall91)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: TEST
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:12:38 GMT
Organization: Ohio University, College of Engineering & Tech.

THIS IS A TEST ONLY.PLEASE IGNORE.
Organization: Junior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: Wed,  8 Apr 1992 23:29:05 -0400 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Final note....?

IPKF didn't allow many reporters in the Norteast let alone mentioning
Indian reporters. Most of the ones whe came in had the 'blessings' of
IPKF. Some western journalists at their own risks(even now) went to
areas where no foreign reporters were allowed, esp. Indian reporters.
One spectacular incident that IPKF tried to cover up but didn't succeed
was the civilian massacre of 60-70 people in Velvettithurai in August,
1989. Some dare-do European guys got to the grisly scenery. Even now,
there's something called 'army passes' given to journalists - to
maintain a news blank on the affected areas.
Call me names if want. And remain ignorant.
From: ft7@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Tax info required (Alex Adams)
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:31:29 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

I need some help on tax returns of a different kind. Apparently there
exists a lawyer by the name of Alex Adams at Buffalo who is reputed to 
get back a lot of cash on our tax refunds. Does anyone happen to have 
an experience of the contrary? I would appreciate greatly if someone 
could mail me their responses at 
              sunil@khan.tam.cornell.edu
Thanking you in advance,
Sunil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: MAMA'S BOYS HAVING A GOOD TIME IN THE U.S.
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 04:21:05 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: soc.culture.indian
Summary: MAMA'S BOY......
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

Neeta writes- 
>>
>>In cases like these, I feel sorry for the wife and for the Indian
>>girlfriend --as for the guy, maybe he will pay the price sooner or later
>>in life.

Maybe - maybe not. Are U gonna put your 'Nazar' on him:-). Do not
feel sorry for his wife. The 2 of them may live happily till they
die.

>It is difficult to expect sympathy from the world at large because Ms.
>Daddy's girl is stupid enough to not to be bothered to understand the
>person she has been going out with for two years [especially given
>your own prounouncement that "we Indian women expect lot more from a
>relationship than these american women."]

>Freedom increases one's responsibilities. In an AM situation, if your
>conjugal life takes a dive, you have the parents and the society to
>blame. In a non-arranged cohabitative situation, you are expected to
>have the gumption to stand on your own and differentiate jerks from
>non-jerks in a reasonable amount of time. 

You do make sense Mr Rao. But have U fallen in love? It can be very difficult
trying to understand the person you 'love'. I  can sympathise with the girl
in question and I will refrain from calling her 'stupid'. They have better
terms like 'MADdly in love':-)

>>Would like to know what you all feel about this. I think this story
>>needs to be turned into a book or a movie.

Oh my gawd not another Mira bhen.

>>see above.

>--Neeta Bhate. 

I gave up falling in love - about a 1000 times;-)
From: sagar@davinci.concordia.ca (Sagar Naik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Arranged Marriages...
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:50:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

In article <1992Apr13.055909.24168@csrd.uiuc.edu> ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh) writes:
>>	(1)  About 50% of US marriages end up in divorce (didn't
>>		the couple KNOW their partner pretty well?).  Why
>
>I don't see why divorce should be necessarily considered a failure.
>To use a rather crude analogy, when I upgrade from a 286 PC to a
>386 PC, I don't consider the 286 PC a failure.  In fact it might
>have been the greatest thing around when I bought it.  But ten 
>years later it is time for a change.  I think divorce particularly
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>in an advanced society should be seen in this light.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So a "divorce" is an upgradation of "marriage?" Good. Presumably,
that is why in the West  many people go for "rental" service.
Is that why one can find everything on the yellow pages?? ;-)

>
>I think the same is true for couples.   A boy and a girl who were
>right for each other when they were both poor starving grad students
>may not be right for each other when one is a top corporate manager
>and the other is an ardent PC (not the PC above) crusader.  And when
>they recognize this and decide to part amicably I don't see why the
                                        ^^^^^^^^
>divorce should be considered a failure.

Great! In today's high-tech. world, I have various terms to describe
such marriages: adaptive marriage, smart marriage, etc. I had a
feeling that mutual feeling in a marriage grows monotonically with time...
I did not know that it is also subject to wear and tear (not the tear
from the eyes ;-) ..... Is there any amicable separation in reality???.....


Sagar
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: fsjm@bart.lerc.nasa.gov (Joseph Mathew)
Subject: Re: Mistreatment of Indians by Northwest Airlines -- Reply from Northwest
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:24:43 GMT


In article <1992Apr9.163338.12263@unlv.edu>, snoopy@unlv.edu (Ramesh Viswanathan) writes:

|> In article <1992Apr8.173305.606@odin.corp.sgi.com> murgesh@sgi.com (Murgesh Navar) writes:
|> >responsible for just myself and not other Indians, Asians or whatever. If I
|> >was a half-intelligent 	manager at Northwest I would first of all seperate
|> >out the Indian passport holders who would have a proclivity to indulge in the
|> >destruction of documents from those that don't. I for example have no motivation,
|> 
|> Perhaps it is written on your face "I am not a Passport Destroyer" but
|> from the Airline personnel's point of view they can't afford to examine
|> the personal history, or predict the behavior of every passenger.
|> Therefore, they are left with the only choice which is to grab the
				     ^^^^^^^^^^^
|> passport of all (perhaps not all, maybe most) originating their journey
|> from the subcontinent.  Moral: One bad apple can ruin the whole barrel.
|> 
|> >Such behavior by Northwest is totally outrageous and inexcusable. Period.
|> 
|> Chill out!
|> 
|> >							-murgesh
|> 
|> 
|> --R.V.

	It's hardly the only choice, though it is the easiest.  Why must 
NorthWest's or anyone else's wanton mistreatment must be sufferred while,
at the same time feeling that unless Air-India's stewardesses do not fawn over
us, we've not received fitting and proper service?   [ R.V., I'm not saying
that you, specifically, hold the second, conflicting view!]

Joseph




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From: chattopadhya@sask.usask.ca
Subject: Re: Satyajit Roy's Film Distributor
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:19:56 GMT

I am interested to know the name of the distributor in North America
for Satyajit Roy's film.
Plese reply via E-mail.
Bijoy.
From: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com (Vijay Joglekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Looking for Rajesh Raman.
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:20:19 GMT
Reply-To: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM Marketing and Services

Hi,

Looking for Rajesh Raman.  He went to Manipal and then to Penn State.


Any info send mail to vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com
From: sundar+@cs.cmu.edu (Sundar Vallinayagam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indian English
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:00:08 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


A couple of my favourite Indian English phrases that are
direct translation from the native ones are:

  Give key to the clock
  (Kadika:ratthukku sa:vi kodu)

  You do one thing
  (Nee onnu pannu)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ar853@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Arun M. Nagaraj)
Subject: MUSIC CONCERTS IN CLEVELAND, OHIO (THYAGARAJA ARADHANA)
Reply-To: ar853@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Arun M. Nagaraj)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 03:06:07 GMT





Saturday April 18. 1992
At the Waetjen Concert Hall, Cleveland State University,
2001, Euclid Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio 44115.

8.00 a.m   Prayer and worship
8.30 a.m   Bhajans by Children
8.45 a.m   Pancharatna session
           Followed by individual singing of Thyagaraja Krithis
4.00 p.m   Jugal Bandhi
           Flute: Dr. N. Ramani
           Mandolin: U. Srinivas
           KanyaKumari in Violin 
           Guruvayur S. Dorai in Mridangam
           Ustad Zakir Hussein in Tabla
7.30 p.m   Trichur V. Ramachandran : Vocal
           V.V. Ravi : Violin
           Srimushnam Raja Rao:Mridangam
           Clevaland R. Balasubramanium: Ganjira


Sunday April 19, 1992

At the Siva Vishnu Temple of Greater Cleveland, 7733 Ridge Road, Parma,
Ohio 44129.

10:00 a.m  T.N Seshagopolan : Vocal
           G. CHandramouli:  Violin
           R. Narayanan :    Mridangam

Monday April 20th, 1992

7.00 p.m   (Also in the Temple)
           Smt. Seetha Rajan: Vocal
           K.S.Mani: Violin
           R.Narayanan: Mridangam


THE CONCERTS ARE FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC 
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BUT I HAVE PROMISES TO KEEP
AND MILES TO GO BEFORE I SLEEP 
AND MILES TO GO BEFORE I SLEEP.      - ROBERT FROST
From: shibu@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Shibnath Mukherjee)
Subject: US dollar versus Indian Rupee
Originator: shibu@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:04:34 GMT

A friend of mine bought an international bank draft yesterday through
the University of Wisconsin Credit Union and he got an exchange rate
of $1.00 = Rs. 30.60.
From: sl0pr@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: ATTENTION TSEC BUDDIES IN CS-RAHUL.
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:59:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr8.175943.54312
Organization: Utah State University


Hi this is Rahul Thakkar
I am searching for my pals in TSEC , Bombay.
                        

Even the others who remember me,
I hope you guys find time to email me
I am at USU - Utah State Univ, Logan
email: sl0pr@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Subject: Travel Notes
Originator: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:49:32 GMT


 TRAVEL NOTES (especially for those in Vancouver-Seattle area)

  All those who are interested in cheap air fares might like to look at
the newsgroup rec.travel.air which started a few days ago. It already
seems to have as much traffic as s.c.i.

  Anyway, the following info may be useful for peoples in the Vancouver-
Seattle area. These quotes were taken from the main desi travel agents in
Vancouver. The benchmark is travel from Vancouver to Delhi and back commencing
in mid-June. Prices are in Canadian $ (presently $0.85 USD)

Goyal Travels: 1300 by JAL with two changes. No credit cards.

Dunhill Travels: 1500 by SIA. A stopover of one or more day in Singapore
needed, though this charge includes hotel bills. They accept credit cards
including Amex.

Bains International: 1440 by Lufthansa; a single change at Frankfurt with
less than 2 hours stopover. The fastest route to India at < 20 hours.
No credit cards.

COMMENTS: JAL appears to be the cheapest, but in view of their discriminatory
practices against Indians it may be better to boycott them. But again, one of
my colleagues who flew JAL recently said he didn't experience anything
untoward. The problem with SIA is that their flights to Canada may soon be
halted due to disputes between Singapore and Canada. However, SIA is still
advertising their additional Vancouver-Singapore flight from August.

  If anyone wants to contact these travel agents, you can get their numbers
from Vancouver directory information: (604) 555 1212.
  
  If anyone from Seattle area is reading this, perhaps they can tell us if
there is anything cheaper from their end. (Thai ?) Remember, the prices above  are in Canadian dollars.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nand@not-and.eng.sun.com (Nand Mulchandani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: CITY OF JOY:my opinion
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:09:14 GMT
Reply-To: nand@not-and.eng.sun.com (Nand Mulchandani)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: not-and

> How deep, how profound. We, as Indians should all be grateful to
> Joffe for teaching us these important lessons about our country

It is nice to see this non-standard viewpoint. I have been in a good
many arguments about movies like "Mississipi Masala", which in my
opinion, are a little premature. From my point of view, I feel that we
should take the portrayal of Indian life a step at a time, without jumping
into too many complicated stories and plots without a good explanation
of the material. I have not seen "City of Joy", but I feel that I would
still have this reservation about complicated stories and plots with this
one too.

In a nutshell, it would be nice to bring the awareness about our culture
to a "decent" level before we try to educate others about it. Yes, I am
making a lot of assumptions about such movies (such as "they are trying to
educate others about Indian culture or life"), but if these movies are meant 
for entertainment, then I think they are a little bit irresponsible.

- Nand
nand@not-and.eng.sun.com
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