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Michelle,

I assume you are pregnant since you are talking about monthly
checkups.  Anyone, traces of protein in your urine indicate that
your body is burning up protein instead of fat or carbos for
energy.  This can be because you are "dieting" or because your
body may be starting to have gestational diabetes.  You can buy
some "ketone body" dipsticks in your drugstore to test your
morning urine.  Depending on the color of the stick, you will know
if it is more than a "trace" or not before your next visit.
If it shows up more than a "trace", then I'd call the doctor and
would not wait until my next monthly checkup.

That was the scary part.  Now for the not-so-scary part:  if you
are only showing up "traces", it is not cause for alarm now.  I 
think that one of my monthly urine dipstick tests showed a "trace"
and that's when I was told to buy the dipsticks and test it myself.
It never went above "trace" and eventually stopped testing positive
at all.  Drinking more water will not help.  If you are showing other
signs of gestational diabetes:  uncontrolled thirst, excessive urination
(several liters per day), wounds that won't heal, I would talk to my
doctor before the next monthly checkup.  Better to be safe than sorry....
I assume your doctor asked you these questions?

Jean Jasinski
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Lefthanded Items
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School; Dewitt, NY
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:20:08 EDT

Well, as far as the way lefties write goes, I recall reading somewhere
that there are other factors involved besides trying not to smear the
ink.  For example that overhand lefties and underhand lefties have brains
that operate a bit differently from each other and have different
strengths.  I'm an overhand lefty and I'm rather good at music, math, and
languages (according to the article I read many years ago, overhanders are
supposed to be good in at least two of the three), and most other
overhanders I know bear this out.

So...if the kid is left handed don't worry if they "contort" themselves,
it may just be part of their particular kind of left handedness.  However,
it is also advised to make sure that all your kid's teachers know that the
kid's a lefty and that the general rules for learning how to write don't
apply.

As an aside... some of the most fun I had was learning how to write in
Hebrew because since it goes from right to left, it's a perfect language
for lefties to write (and one to make righties understand what we go
through writing the other way).

That's all for now.


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From: dma9w@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Dawn M. Adelsberger-Mangan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:42:53 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <2080@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley) writes:
>[stuff deleted]
>>That way they won't give you an epidural.  I can't imagine
>> having a tube stuck in my back.  Ow!  Since my doctor (Ms.
>> Demoral) didn't show up, I escaped that also.  I can't
>> imagine an iv sticking in my arm either.
>
>Hey, I don't care if you believe in drugs during labor or not.
>But to suggest that the pain of inserting the epidural (which
>in most cases ELIMINATES the pain of labor) is of any significance
>AT ALL compared to the pain of labor is beyond my comprehension.
>For those of you yet to deliver, do not let this issue (pain of
>inserting/wearing epidural) deter you if you would otherwise 
>opt for an epidural.
>
>Chris

    I'll add another comment regarding the pain of inserting the
epidural ...
    An associate of mine (who had her baby a few months after I did)
underwent a planned C section - that is, she was spared any and all
labor contractions.  When we talked about her birthing experience she
commented that the insertion of the epidural was a bit uncomfortable.
I, who had been in labor for 21 hours before I received any medication,
and was in the throes of transition when I received an epidural commented
that I absolutely did not feel any pain upon the insertion.  This is to
provide you with some contrast between the pain of the needle insertion
and the pain of a transition contraction.  As always - YMMV.
                        Dawn Adelsberger-Mangan
From: lynn@elan.Elan.COM (Lynn Gazis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Bradley Classes
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:15:30 GMT
Reply-To: lynn@elan (Lynn Gazis)
Organization: Elan Computer Group, Inc., Mountain View, CA

How transferrable are these techniques?  If they work for the
pain of childbirth, are they also helpful for other kinds of
pain?  And if a person learns relaxation or distraction techniques
for some other kind of pain, are those same techniques likely
to work for childbirth?

Lynn Gazis-Sax
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (STAFFORD, KD)
Subject: Re: Spider bites and children
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:57:45 GMT

In article by Marjorie R. Peskin:

I have this problem with spider bites.  It was the bane of my childhood
because every summer I got sent home from camp with my eyes swollen shut,
my lips swollen to grandiose proportions, and needing hospital intervention
to help me breathe.  I am also allergic to every other type of insect bite,
such as fleas, mosquitos, etc.  With the spider bites I learned as an adult
to ALWAYS put on insect repellent before I go to bed.  Since I am pregnant,
I can't do this, and of course I have had 2 spider bites this week, both
in my right arm which is now swollen, and to make matters worse, Mrs Spider
laid her eggs in my bedroom and the other night there were about 50
baby spiders rappelling off my ceiling.  I got out the vacuum and sucked
them up!  It felt great.

I don't think there is anything you can do to prevent spider bites save
use repellant, mosquito netting, and learn the quickest route to the
emergency room.

Marjorie	mrp@world.std.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Avon's "Skin So Soft" is an excellent insect repellent.  I believe its
original use is for bath oil but it really works well for insect repellent.
In Florida, they sell it at the flea markets for that purpose and I
believe Avon is now selling it in a spray bottle.  It smells good too!
Hope that helps!

Kelly
From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Info about a game wanted
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:04:12 GMT
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.


	That game, "Borders America", sounds like a lot of fun!  And
it seems easy to make up a set of cards at home.  But I wonder... in a
hypothetical game, let's say you play New Hampshire, and then I play
Maine.  Then what will you do? :-)

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Mark Meyer                                               | mmeyer@dseg.ti.com |
Texas Instruments, Inc.                                  +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
        HI!  I'm a mutating signature virus.  You can resist helping me spread!
From: mlinda@novell.com (M'Linda Taylor)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Discussing religion in misc.kids (Was: Re: God's Family Values)
Keywords: Bravo....well said
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:11:24 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., Austin, Texas

In article <4631@crl.LABS.TEK.COM> sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.150521.26147@ttinews.tti.com>, reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>
>[history deleted]
>
>|> This is exactly why so many of us hate to see religion brought into 
>|> discussions in groups like misc.kids.  With few exceptions, religious
>|> discussions very quickly get out of the "here's how we do it" vein, and 
>|> into "you're all going to Hell, and my God can beat up your God" snits.
>|> 
>|> Could we cool it for a while?  Can we all get along here?
>
<Excellent points omitted>

>Either this, or we just stick to the nuts-and-bolts of changing diapers
>and toilet training in misc.kids and spin off a misc.kids.pg13 (for
>mature audiences ;^) group.  Perhaps we should take a poll (given that 
>this is an election year for the U.S.) or a vote?
>
>Avoiding a topic will provide no understanding or tolerance.  Discussing
>it with an attitude of mutual respect and consideration will.
>
>Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

Steven,

Thank you for your follow up.  It was very well stated.

M'Linda

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From: kellihmt@daisymae.crd.ge.com (Margaret T Kelliher)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Alternatives to Spanking?
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:52:51 GMT
Reply-To: kellihmt@daisymae.crd.ge.com (Margaret T Kelliher)
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <1992Jul27.153902.20443@pony.Ingres.COM>, thall@Ingres.COM
(Trevor Hall) writes:
|>I have to disagree on a semantic point.  It's the general concept that
|>tantrums are "wrong" and that "being out of control" is "wrong"
|>
|>I don't believe that the tantrum itself is what needs to be controlled.
|>The trantrum needs to run it's course, to provide the child with some
|>outlet for his/her frustration.  What does need to be controlled is
|>any sort of physical destructiveness by the child and/or our response
|>to the tantrum.

In general, I agree. Many times tantrums are caused by frustration. I
don't think it's an accident that most children get them just as they
are learning to talk, but can't quite express themselves yet. We had
quite a bit of success helping Kate find words to say what she wanted,
because then the frustration lessened enough that she could achieve
her goal in a more acceptable manner.

I think it is important, though, to help the child realize that a 
tantrum generally achieves only one positive end (frustration relief), 
and that in general, they are better done in private. They are not to 
be used as a manipulative weapon, and the child needs to be shown more
socially acceptable ways to:
	- show how important this issue is to him/her
	- indicate/defuse a mounting frustration level
	- accept a non-ideal situation (eg no cookies 'till after dinner)

The issue is not that losing control is bad, or that the child has done 
something wrong, but that this type of behavior unpleasant for all involved 
and that there are more pleasant and productive alternatives. This is
not essential for a 2 YO to understand, but the lifetime habits start 
early, and we all know adults who throw inappropriate tantrums in public
because it feels good, not realizing the damage they do to themselves and
others.

The bottom line in our house is that we don't generally punish tantrums*,
but we try to coach Kate towards more acceptable ways of expressing herself.

* The exception being when it has been deliberately thrown as a protest, 
in which case some immediate privelege is revoked. The explanation is that
when you bully someone, they may not want to give you nice extras.

Sorry for the length,
Margaret Kelliher
kellihmt@crd.ge.com
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: SuperCows (was Re: Pregnancy Worries (WAS: Re: Waking up at night))
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:58:20 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

>In article <TIGGER.92Jul21132922@satyr.Sylvan.COM> tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
>>
>>4 month old Robin weighed 17.5 lbs, 25.5 inches tall, solely breastfed
>>by 'supermomcow' :-)

I'll see your 17.5 lb 4 month old and raise you a couple of months!
Paul went from 9-14 at birth to 17 lbs in *2* months, on nothing but
breastmilk.  Don't ask me how often he ate, I didn't bother to even
keep track.  The really depressing part was not losing weight as
fast as he gained it.  (But he did finally slow down--at 21 months
he is about 30 lbs; still big, but at least back on the charts)

:)

Sue
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: srb@aretha.jax.org (Susan Dewey)
Subject: Cute things they say 21mos.
Organization: The Jackson Laboratory
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 19:33:44 GMT

Daddy: We're going to Seal Harbor to pick up Mom's car.
Zack:  Seal Harbor.
Daddy: That's right. We're in Bar Harbor and we're going to Seal Harbor.
Zack:  Seal Harbor. (pause to think) Bear Harbor. Giraffe Harbor. 
       Gorilla Harbor.

We were in hysterics.  (We did try to explain)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mona@scubed.com (Mona Ellis)
Subject: Re: Thanks + Question re: Sharing between one-year-olds (LONG)
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:37:46 GMT

In article <2820074@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com> dani@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Danielle Cohen) writes:
>This isn't advice (though the responses so far have been 
>very helpful), but it fits into the theme...
>
>
>	Toddler Property Laws
>    
>    1. If I like it, it's mine.
>    2. If it's in my hand, it's mine.
>    3. If I can take it from you, it's mine.
>    4. If I had it a little while ago, it's mine.
>    5. If it's mine, it must never appear to be yours in any way.
>    6. If I'm doing or building something, all the pieces are mine.
>    7. If it looks just like mine, it's mine.
>
   As the mother of a 22 month old I got a kick out of this.  Actually
   there seemes to be only one Property Law for almost 2 year olds.

     1.  EVERYTHING IS MINE.


   mona@scubed.scubed.com  (Who has heard the words "Mine," "No," and
			    "I want" atleast a thousand times in the
			    last 3 months.)
From: bsirvine@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Flogger-D)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: how long to feel back normal after pregnancy?
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:38:12 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY

I was wondering if pregnancy and childbirth actually caused physical
changes to the body of the mother and if so what was the mechanism
behind this.

For instance:  We are now the proud parents of a 3.5 yr old girl and a
1.6 year old boy.  Since my son was born my wife is back down to her old
weight and is perfectly healthy.  On the other hand, there are some un-
mistakeable changes.  For instance, her feet are longer and wider so
that her old shoes and boots no longer fit.  Another:  my wife is in 
incredibly great physical condition, but she appears to be wider and
her abdomen is not as flat as before.  She has had to get rid of a sig-
nificant proportion of her wardrobe.  What happened?

Please don't tell me my wife is not in shape, because she can aerobicize
me and virtually anyone into the ground.  She also lifts weights, swims
and runs.

bsirvine
From: mary@anasazi.com (Mary Curtis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Getting hair cut
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:53:34 GMT
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA

Dawn Adelsberger-Mangan asks about getting her daughter's haircut (and my
mail to her bounced):

I still remember the short hair that was forced on me as toddler, I grew
mine out as soon as I was able to care for it myself and didn't cut it for
over twenty years.  It's not a subject that has put a strain on my
relationship with my mother, but I still remember how hurt I was that my
mother wouldn't allow me to have the long hair I wanted (my older sister
had long hair and mom was only willing to deal with one of us with long
locks).

It may be hard for you, but go ahead and let your daughter get her hair
cut.  You can suggest she cut it in stages, she may want to "experience"
SHORTER hair, not short hair.  Let her find out.  Most salons have books
and magazines with hair styles, go in advance of a cut and see what she's
interested in, she may not like anything she sees.  Many salons will also
offer a free or inexpensive consultation with a stylist about a hairstyle
that looks good for your face and hair type and meets your lifestyle needs
(a toddler and a blow dryer/curling iron every morning doesn't work!).

Last, remember, in most of us hair is a renewable resource (my darling
husband is an exception - when my son lost his hair as a newborn and it 
grew back, my husband became very jealous :)).

Mary Curtis
mother to Michael 16 months (and just getting his hair back!)
From: michelle@cs.utk.edu (Michelle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Protein Traces in Urine
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:17:40 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu

>pt@geovision.gvc.com writes:

>>by michelle@cs.utk.edu (Michelle):
>>       Just had a check up today and this month (as last month) protein
>> is showing up in my urine.  They didn't say anything about it, but I

>Ah - how do I say this?

>Could the protein in your urine be semen?  

>I've looked at urine samples in a microscope (I was a summer lab intern),
>and it's amazing how many sperm cells you see in women's urine...

Paul - 

	I would have replied via e-mail, but for some reason I cannot
get mail to you. . .

	Answer to sperm question:  unequivocabley no.  I had a
colposcopy done prior to this visit (different day) and was informed that
I was not to have intercourse for 3 to 4 days after the biopsy was done.
The check up fell in that range.  The 3 to 4 days was actually stretched
out to more like 6 or 7 because of bleeding that resulted from the
biopsy (yes I did call the doctor in a very, VERY worried voice!).

Thanks!
michelle
From: evelyn@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Evelyn James)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:54:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Re; Strep B?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

In misc.kids, grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant) writes:


    I just asked my OB if he tests for this routinely and he said no.  That
    since they regularly test urine, something would show up there.  So now
    I am wondering how so many babies are being born with it.  Is it
    because we are coming down with it right before delivery?  I guess we
    should seriously worry if we come down with flu-like symptoms towrd the
    end?  Anyone know?

    -Shirl

    They tested my urine a few days before my labor. I didn't have any flu
    symptoms until 8 hrs. or so into labor and that was major shakes and low
    fever both of which are common in normal labors. I believe I read that
    it was a vaginal swab test for group b but I'm not sure.

    I had group b strep. My baby was born with pneumonia. He was on IV
    antibiotics for 10 days plus shots for 4 more at home.

    My water broke early. The dr was not able to tell me if this was because
    of the group b or that having the water break early caused me to be
    open to infection.

    I would want to be tested at the start of labor if possible.

    By the way there is a group b strep association. Does anyone have the
    address? I saw it in Parents mag but miss placed it.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: This Whole Deity Thing (Was ---'s Family Values)
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School; Dewitt, NY
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 21:33:43 EDT

The following thoughts were expressed recently regarding a reply to one of
the "Family Values" posts...

 #1> I am asking for the consideration of not being preached to about
 #1> specific r-ligous beliefs which I do not share.

 #1> Please keep your r-ligion to yourself and those who invite you
 #1> to share it with them.

 #2> You're wasting your keystrokes.  You see, in his mind it's like
 #2> this:  G-d wants him to tell you this stuff.  You don't.  Who do
 #2> you think he's going to listen to?

 #2> This is what kill files are for.  Handy little jobbers they are,
 #2> too.  (I know, not all new readers have kill files.  Pity.)

Hmm...interesting...so in other words, all I have to do to make sure that
you never see any posts of mine is to make sure I include the word G-O-D
in it (without the dashes, of course)?  Is this anywhere in the file, or
just in the subject line?  Conversely, does this mean that in order for me
to get around your kill file, all I have to do is substitute (or omit)
characters from the words you're searching for in your kill file?  Cheryl
says that ridiculous, you're going to miss out on people swearing, as well
as people saying such "innocuous" things as "G-d only knows," or "playing
G-d".

But seriously folks, this whole issue of people giving ideas on raising
kids from their own r-ligious perspectives seems a wee bit overblown.
After all, no one gets all bent out of shape when someone says, "According
to Dr Spock, whom I follow r-ligiously," so why do we get so bent out of
shape when someone says, "According to this particular passage in the
B-ble, which I happen to believe r-ligiously..."?  What is it about
mentioning G-d that brings out such animosity in some of us?  Could
someone please clue me in?

Oh, and by the way...for the orignal poster...even if G-d's rules did have
the force of civil law, there would still be ample opportunity for abuse
and circumvention...all you need is a few people to bear false witness and
there goes that case.

Geez, would you people please lighten up a bit?

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ecu@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (elin.c.upperco)
Subject: "The Wooden Soldier" clothing catalog
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:49:45 GMT

Does anyone have a phone number for "The Wooden Soldier"
(or was it "The TOY Soldier") catalog. Basically it is a catalog of
very dressy (and expensive) clothing. I used to get their 
catalog, but, of course, never ordered anything. So they've
dropped me from their mailing list and I can't seem to
find an old catalog. Now that I have two kids, I'd like
to see some dressy brother/sister holiday outfits.

				Thanks.
				Elin Upperco
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: startled 9yo!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:56:09 GMT

lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>In article <Brwv3J.A7B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:
>>
>>1. Why does Rebecca think there's something "icky" about
>>urine or embarassing about urination?  Is it possible
>>you've inadvertantly imparted those "values"?

>I am sure a 9 year old has many other influences than her family.
>>
>>2. This may sound sexist, but I think this is at least in
>>part a gender-specific thing.  Guys often look at urination as a
>>ritual ( though I suspect most boys would be reluctant to pee in
>>a cup for mom).

>Well bully for you! Sheesh! What is your point?
*----
My point was that this is learned behavior, not instinctive,
and can therefore be corrected by imparting the proper values.
--
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	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
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	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: miki@aftac1.llnl.gov (R. Miki Moore 423-9712)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Getting hair cut
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:21:41 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Originator: miki@aftac1.llnl.gov


when my son was 4yo he wanted a "skater's cut" ... it is
very short all around the back and longer on top. ... i 
really don't care for it. but i applauded his desire.
we have always stressed that it is HIS body. so, why not.

(of course i may feel differently when he is 13 yo and
 wants to 
pierce his nose or something along those lines)

-- 
Miki Moore
Lawrence Livermore National Labs
All opinions are those of the author only
miki@aftac1.llnl.gov
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Miki Moore
Lawrence Livermore National Labs
All opinions are those of the author only
miki@aftac1.llnl.gov
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