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From: ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Installing Linux
Keywords: 5 1/4 Floppys
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:12:29 GMT
Organization: Mala's Refuge, Montreal, Canada


	Help!  I have heard so much good about Linux that I decided to take
a chance and get it.  I FTPed disks A1 and A2 from a site, can only do a
little at a time.  NOw here comes the hard part.  My A drive is a 5 1/4
High Density (Quad) drive, the disks I have for it are 1.218 Mb. MAX.  
Both A1 and A2 are 1.22 MB...  My B drive is a 1.44, but I cannot boot 
from it.  Any sugestions?


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From: probreak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Xfree861.2
Date: 10 Jan 1993 20:32:01 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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ccasted@prism.gatech.EDU (Edward Deering Boykin) writes:

>I am currently running Xfree861.1 and Linux 99patch2 on my 486/66.
>I use the ati ultra pro vdeo card w/ 2 megs vram. My question is this:
>I have heared several people remark as to having Xfree861.2 running
>on their linux box. I have looked in several of the ftp servers and can 
>only find 1.1 or 1.0 Xfree. Are they in error or is 1.2 available for Linux
>yet? If so where can I get it and is it pretty stable or buggy as hell?
>Just curious. Thanks in advance for all your replies.


>Ed Boykin
>ccasted@prism.gatech.edu

That must be an error, as the latest beta version of Xfree86 is 1.1C.

The next version will be 1.2, and will have capabilities to do things like
start X on one VC and switch back to text mode on another VC.

I am building 1.1C now as I write this and will see if the improvements
help out.

James
From: kf8nh@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: The backup problem (was Re: tar won't do multi-volume archives)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:10:32 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Brandon S. Allbery's Personal System

joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman) writes:
> It seems to me the best way to go would be to compress each file
> before it's put in the tar file, and then (obviously) decompress it
> 
> I suppose this could be accomplished by piping find into compress into
> tar, but I'm not entirely sure.

Not last I heard... tar can be made to take a list of file names from stdin,
but not a succession of files (how is it to know where one stops and the
next starts?).

++Brandon

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: marcf@nexus.yorku.ca (Marc G Fournier)
Subject: Re: Reducing traffic on c.o.l.
Organization: York University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:37:54 GMT

wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes:

>dthumim@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J Thumim) writes:
>>Probably the least interesting posts are newbie questions and please for
>>help.  Perhaps we can cut down on these by setting up separate help forums,
>>and *advertising* them, here, in the [meta-]faq, with linux distributions,
>>in the form of instructions for getting help... with posting to c.o.l.
>>listed as a last resort only!

>Since people don't read meta-faqs, faqs, readmes, man pages, and
>anything else that answers their questions, except for direct replies
>to questions posted to comp.os.linux, why would they read about all
>these new, wonderful ways to get answers to their questions?

	I'm not sure how often the faq's do get posted, but maybe
more frequently would help?  With the number of newbie questions (of which
I was guilty), maybe posting the FAQ once a week would help?

	As well...splitting up the FAQ into its seperate parts, instead
of one big one, would help also, so they could be posted with a subject
of FAQ - Networking, FAQ - SLS, etc.

	As for the man pages, that one is a little more difficult, as
they are still not complete, since they are still being worked on.

	What I cannot understand is, with the number of ppl that use
c.o.l...why is it so hard to split the group?  two that come to mind
might be to put all and any FAQ's into one, posted on a regular basis,
and fully moderated so that questions can't be posted to it, just
official FAQ's.  The other one might be for 'updates/pathes' for
those that have the sources, but not necessarily ftp access to be
able to update their binaries.

Marc

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: harun@suhana.analog.ingr.com (Bustamam Harun)
Subject: Where can I find this?
Reply-To: harun@suhana.analog.ingr.com (Bustamam Harun)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:35:49 GMT

Quick question:

Where can I find this "Orest's xsrc1.1.T.Z"?

Thanks.

Bustamam
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: lmfken@lmf.ericsson.se (Kenneth Osterberg)
Subject: Re: X386 (SLS) + X8514: olvwm and xmodmap problems
Organization: Oy LM Ericsson Ab, Jorvas, Finland
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:49:41 GMT

kf8nh@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:

>I'm having a few problems with the above-mentioned combination (that's the
>X386 from SLS 0.99 plus x8514new plus xview3L2 plus olvwm).

>1) olvwm hangs the system after a few events.  I can reliably reproduce it
>by going into the Properties editor and popping up the menu of property
>groups:  on about the sixth time the pop-up menu only draws partially, and
>the system hangs.  Other olvwm-related actions also cause it; however,
>actions on a client such as xterm do not.  olwm from xview3L2 works fine,
>although it has the zombie process bug described by other posters.  twm also
>works (but it's UGLY!  :-)  I'm not running out of memory; I checked.
>BTW, this is the olvwm built from the .a file (olvwmbin_gcc2.2.2.T.Z); the
>olvwm binary from olvwmbin dumps core when invoked.

I have a working olvwm. I'm considering adding it to xview3L3, as many
people seem to have problems with the olvwm on tsx-11. The one I have
is the latest patchlevel (ie. 3), I believe the one on tsx is only on
patchlevel 2.

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From: richb@jti.com (Richard Braun)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Need 3c501 driver
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:34:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: jti.C0rAD1.9yH
Organization: Jupiter Technology Inc. / Waltham, MA

nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes:
>I'm sorry you feel that way.  There is no way to write a 3c501 driver
>with performance proportional to the speed of a 386.  What you are
>trying to do is the equivalent to running Linux of a 80ms 20Mb MFM
>drive.  Most people would probably think that unreasonable...

My $0.02:  yeah, that's probably a good way of looking at it, in this
modern era of $79 10BaseT Ethernet boards.  We agree.

When I started at my new company, I found a big installed base of
two obsolete Ethernet boards:  3c501s and Intel PC586s.  They work
well enough that it's real hard to convince the paper-pushers that
we ought to replace all of them.  Even at $79, 35 of them amounts to
an amount they'd rather spend on something else.

My guess is there's still an awful lot of 3c501s out there.  And you
could indeed run many applications under Linux on an old 20Mb disk
drive.  (That's part of the beauty of Linux: it sucks up a lot less
resources than any post-Xenix flavor of 386 Unix I've seen.)  If there's
enough demand, a 3c501 driver for Linux will eventually appear.

-rich
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: lukka@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tuomas J Lukka)
Subject: Re: 386 BSD
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:14:06 GMT

>>EXCEPT for one feature I consider pretty good:
>>when you get the distribution, there's source for everything
>>right there. If you get Linux, you have to hunt all over the place

>I always find source codes first, and since I don't want to spend time in
>downloading big souces and compiling them,  I have to haunt around the
>binaries. If I fail to find them, then I had to get the sources and
>compile.

Yes, but how is this relevant?
(And I mean not just source, but also the binaries ARE in the
 distribution)...

>Also, 20M for 386BSD is a bogus.

So? When was that mentioned? 

>You must have at least over 40M disk space to install 386BSD.

If you strip the system down, it can fit in quite narrow spaces...
Anyway, not to dispute about that, BSD is a system with more
disk space requirements. 

BUT...

>Xserver for 386BSD is nonsense (to me).  The size was around 10M !

It's nonsense because it was compiled with symbolic info!
strip X386 
and the size is little over a meg.

Just trying to correct some of the WORST misunderstandings
about the free OS wars...

	TJL
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey)
Subject: Re: Problem with net-bin-0.2 rlogin
Organization: The Internet
	<1993Jan8.191707.6838@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de>
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:42:42 GMT

>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:17:07 GMT, alex@gravity (Alexander Jung) said:

Alex> I installed the programs from net-bin-0.2. All but one of them work 
Alex> without any problems. 

Two out of three ain't bad.

Alex> The only one I could not get to work was rlogin:
Alex> All I ever get from it if I try to connect to a remote host is:

Alex> gravity:~>rlogin sol.astro
Alex> rlogin: connection closed.

Alex> (this happens to any of the machines here, i.e. RS6000, Sparcs,
Alex> HP Apollo....)

I only tested Linux <-> Linux.  I forgot that by hacking rlogind
I wouldn't fix rlogin to other non-Linux rloginds.

Alex> The only machine rlogin works to is my own machine (here it
Alex> works without any problems, but that is probably not the intended 
Alex> use for it :-)

Well, you could you it to log into your neighbor's Linux...

Alex> I have 0.99.2, and lib 4.2, it is installed as setuid root and 
Alex> it seems to resolve at least the host name correctly (I get a
Alex> 'unknown host' for a nonexistent host)

Alex> Could some kind soul please help me?

The problem seems to be in the kernel handling of urgent tcp data.
I am writing a small test program and debugging it.  With luck,
a future kernel upgrade will solve the problem.  Then we can
unhack rlogind to send urgent stuff again...
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: kuehn@citadel.scd.ucar.edu (Jeff Kuehn)
Subject: Need help buying a SCSI host adapter
Keywords: scsi 
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:50:33 GMT

I want to buy a machine to run LINUX and I need some help
choosing hardware.  

Which SCSI host adapters are working best?

the Adaptec 1742 or the UltraStor 24F (EISA bus masters) look good.
are either of these supported by the current set of drivers?
will they be supported in the future?
how do they perform?
what would you recommend instead?

Any help/comments will be appreciated.

--Jeff Kuehn


ps.  I'm still working on the hardware FAQ... a huge number
     of replies... it's taking a while to summarize.
From: root@slave.uwe.ac.uk (Operator (Phil/Dylan))
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Cron for Linux?
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:41:07 GMT
Reply-To: p_copela@csd.uwe.ac.uk
Organization: The New University in the West of England, Bristol (WEB)

In article <Bzwp3x.98t@citrus.SAC.CA.US>, qumqats@citrus.SAC.CA.US ( Joel M.
Baldwin ) writes:
|> marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Admin) writes:
|> : In article <1992Dec21.050300.17459@netcom.com> zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M.
|> Ben-Halim) writes:
|> : >In article <BzL4M1.Cp8@cs.dal.ca> dinn@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael 'Moose' Dinn)
|> writes:
|> : >>
|> : >>Does a cron-type scheduler exit for Linux? the SLS distribution doesn't
|> : >>return anything on a find / -name \*cron\* -print.
|> : >
|> : >tsx-11.mit.edu:pub/linux/sources/usr.bin/vixie-cron.tar.Z
|> : >
|> : 	It is also included in the new .99 release in /usr/bin.
|> : But...it doesn't get started as part of the installation stuff..you
|> : have to add it to /etc/rc
|> 
|> ??????  /usr/bin?????   whats it doing in there?  shouldn't it be in /etc?

It's time for an evil thread to re-appear again,... the bickering of where
programs should go in the 'purist' fashion,... there was a sortof white paper
compiled a long time in the distant past about the linux file structure and
how it should be cobbled together. eg how to get the system up and running on
the minimum disk space/programs similar to the currently available bootdisks
The white paper I talk off is in the docs directory on tsx-11 (i think but
could be wrong)

the main argument was what where the key programs for bringing up a multiuser
unix system eg /etc must be on the boot partition as it holds the rc script
and it would be foolish to boot a kernel without being able to mount up the
FS that provided utilities to mount up all the other FS's available (I'm not
explaining this too well... but you get the idea)

Phil
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From: alovell@kerberos.demon.co.uk (Anthony Lovell)
Subject: dbzperl
Distribution: world
Organization: The Home for Three Headed Canines
Reply-To: alovell@kerberos.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.18)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:11:39 +0000

Happy new Year Net-folk

Has anybody out there got a copy of dbzperl ,I've got the perl.taz from the
SLS dist but it's not in and I need it to process my feed from cix into mail
and news that I can feed into C-news and convert replys to sent back out.

I have the perl4035 source but can't build it ( too much I don't know )
so if somebody has the config's and diff's if needed ,I could build my own

TIA
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From: ado@ibg1.ibg.sub.org (Christoph Adomeit)
Subject: source for SLS "menu" available ?
Organization: ibg
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:49:52 GMT

Hi Linuxers,

does anybody know if the source for SLS "menu" program is
available ?

If it is:
Where can I get it ?
Whats the name of the package ?

I like this program very much, but it has 1 or 2 things I would like
to change.

Thanks for replying
Bye 

	Christph
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale)
Subject: Re: ST01/02 and Syquest 5110
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:08:19 GMT

In article <C0K0JH.5vx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> wilker@hopf.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) writes:
>Some drivers have a jumper to activate spin up only after access for the
>first time. I know that some of the HP drives are like that.
>
>I have a similar problem. I have a scsi tape drive attached to the
>Seagate ST-01. If it's turned on, it's found on bootup and is accessible
>later. Because it's noisy ( rather the fan in its case is) it's often off.
>Would there be someway to have a static table of attached scsi devices
>that aren't mounted on bootup, but get switched on later?

	This would not be easy.  All of the device detection is done before the
root filesystem is mounted, so there would be no way of reading this at boot
time.  It would be possible to compile something into the kernel somehow.
There would probably be some kind of list that you would have to modify prior
to building the kernel that would have to be edited.  Unfortunately this type
of solution would only work for people willing and able to recompile the
kernel.

-Eric
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: pmacdona@sanjuan (Peter MacDonald)
Subject: Re: Compiling 'shadow'
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 02:14:22 GMT

In article <C0CFxD.1xH@jti.com> richb@jti.com (Richard Braun) writes:
>I wrote:
>>Binary mods to /bin/login make me a little queasy!  And I'll bet I'm
>>not alone.
>
>Over the weekend I looked at this more closely.  The problem is that
>ulimit() is obsolete with Gnu lib 4.2, and the Linux release of shadow
>doesn't reflect that.
>
>In config.h, change:
>
>	#define HAVE_ULIMIT
>	#undef  HAVE_RLIMIT
>to
>	#undef	HAVE_ULIMIT
>	#define	HAVE_RLIMIT
>
>I'll cc this posting to Ed Carp, who is listed as maintainer of the
>Linux release.
>
>-rich
>P.S.  Why isn't this version of login used as the standard Linux version?
>  I don't see any disadvantage to using it, only benefits.

You should probably not use the shadow passwd posted.  I have added it
to SLS, but not until I fixed a few major bugs, plus added a major missing 
piece: an interface to intercept getpw* and getgr* calls from suid
clients, and fill in the passwd field.  After the upload of the next 
SLS, I will upload the new source.  But I have already sent the 
changes to the original author.

Peter
pmacdona@sanjuan.uvic.ca
From: kf8nh@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: X386 (SLS) + X8514: olvwm and xmodmap problems
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 19:44:31 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Brandon S. Allbery's Personal System

I'm having a few problems with the above-mentioned combination (that's the
X386 from SLS 0.99 plus x8514new plus xview3L2 plus olvwm).

1) olvwm hangs the system after a few events.  I can reliably reproduce it
by going into the Properties editor and popping up the menu of property
groups:  on about the sixth time the pop-up menu only draws partially, and
the system hangs.  Other olvwm-related actions also cause it; however,
actions on a client such as xterm do not.  olwm from xview3L2 works fine,
although it has the zombie process bug described by other posters.  twm also
works (but it's UGLY!  :-)  I'm not running out of memory; I checked.
BTW, this is the olvwm built from the .a file (olvwmbin_gcc2.2.2.T.Z); the
olvwm binary from olvwmbin dumps core when invoked.

2) I tried to use xmodmap to swap the caps-lock and control keys, because
I'm an old-fogie keyboarder who expects the control key *above* the shift
key.  :-)  I was successfully able to patch the kernel to do this in the
translated (non-scancode) mode, but when I use xmodmap to do the same under
X the only thing that swaps is which key toggles the keyboard LED; the
result is slightly bizarre.  (Watch the caps-lock LED blink while entering
^X^C in emacs.  :-)  I did this using the standard .xinitrc functionality,
so it's not a question of clients not seeing a MappingNotify event or
something of that nature.

I haven't checked these with the stock X386 server, so both may well be
X8514 bugs (it *is* an alpha release, but it's also the best server I can
find for an ATI Graphics Vantage...).

Anyone else seen these?

++Brandon

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From: dreier@fb5.uni-siegen.de (Ralf Dreier)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: time, whoami
Date: 7 Jan 1993 07:09:43 GMT
Organization: University of Siegen
Reply-To: dreier@fb5.uni-siegen.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: helena


Hello,

some days ago, I had the same problem with the whoami command. The whoami command
gets its information from the file /etc/passwd. In the SLS distribution this file
is not readable for a normal user. Change it and you have no more problems with
whoami.

Ralf
From: cdw@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Christopher Walton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Linux : Minimum usable system?
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:39:46 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh


This is probably an FAQ but I can't find the FAQ on this system.

I don't suppose I can run linux on my old 286 so what is the minimum "usable"
system I should buy (I don't mean the minimum it will run on!)

Please mail me direct.  Thanks in advance.

Chris 

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From: entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one)
Subject: more than 1024X1024 virtual screen?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:21:21 GMT


Does anyone know if XFree86 will support greater than 1meg of video memory
inorder to get a virtual screen more than 1024X1024? I'd like to make a
2048X204X256 color virtual screen inorder to display some very large
images. If XFree86 supports this does anyone know what cards have enough
memory to do this which are supported by it?


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From: pete@introl.com (Pete Ikusz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: NFS: problem: cannot execute from mounted partitions
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:57:04 -0600
Organization: Introl Corp.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: introl.introl.com

Kernel .98pl5-49:
I have just attempted to move executables to a nfs filesystem, but
I now find that I am not able to execute the progs from there.
Error:
Trying to read nonexistant block device 0001 (0)

MAJOR(0001) is 0 which is no_device.
Something must be calling this routine incorrectly.
Anyone know of this problem, or what revision is needed to fix it?

I have just picked up the SLS installation (and am running that kernel)
I do have the sources for .99p2. But have not built it yet.

So, I built .99p2. I 'make disk' and when I attempt to boot off of that disk and
it is not able to mount root, which is on /dev/hda2. I have that specified
in the Makefile.

Arrgh! Any hints?

BTW: does anyone have a list of known bugs, and projects being and to be worked
on?

Thanks,
-Pete
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From: andrewc@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Subject: Re: vgalib with Tseng ET4000
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:11:15 GMT

BARRY TITMARSH <BTITMARS@ESOC.BITNET> writes:

>I have ET4000 i compiled the vgalib works fine the test program produced
>a number of different test cards, Ok.
>But whats the vgalib used for ?? is that IT ?
>barry.


Well, it's a LIBRARY - you write programs with it, get it ?

At the moment, you can get dpg-view, which is a gif viewer that uses the vgalib, but is
restricted by it to std. VGA (plus tweaked modes up to about 320X400 or so), so it's not
great for big GIFS (though it does scale everything to fit the screen)

Apart from that, it's up to you to do something useful with it !

happy programming !

Cos !

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