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From: klf@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (karen.l.fenton)
Subject: Christmas BONANZA
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:11:16 GMT
Keywords: wow

Well, Santa hit the jackpot this time! Apparently he found
an old History of Lancaster County (pub. 1883) in an antique
store and he's been *hiding* it from me for months. It is the perfect
present!!! An AMAZING treasure trove... well over 1000 pages, 
double-columned, *teensy* print... I can barely lift it.
It's about 7" thick and bound in leather/gold leaf.
My guess is that it was undertaken as a "centennial" project.

It appears that it was a collaborative effort of many people,
each of whom wrote about his little piece of the county.
Each town or community is covered slightly differently, depending on the
writer. Some have long lists of the tax rolls, others list
the earliest settlers and their descendents, and some
relate a more anecdoctal history of the community. 
There is a big section on the county's effort in the "War of
Rebellion", with *long* lists of company rosters. (Not once is it
referred to as the 'civil war'.)

Each "chapter" includes brief biographies of prominent men (along with
inset engraved portraits of the subjects. These biographies (for the
most part) include lineage information. 
There is also scads of information scattered through the text, like
who built which tavern, and who bought it next.
Businesses and factories are covered pretty well.

The whole thing is *unindexed* (sigh) but if you have an ancestor
who lived in Lancaster County PA before 1880, I'm willing
to take a look and see what I can find in the book.
It will help enormously if you know which town or township
he/she lived in. Identifying the immigrant "group" (Scots-Irish v 
Mennonite, for example) would also be a pointer.

I've seen other histories of Lancaster (notably Rupp's from 1844) 
but this one is unique in the level of sheer minutia it contains -
even to the level of physical appearance and temperment.

My next goal is to hit that antique store and see what else
Santa might have passed up!

Karen
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Reply-To:     John Spencer <jrs@HPESJRS.FC.HP.COM>
From:         John Spencer <jrs@HPESJRS.FC.HP.COM>
Subject:      Gindorf Family
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Hello Rooters,

My sister is researching her husbands family.  The GINDORF family came from the
German village of the same name.  There may be a double "f" at the end of the
name.  What is known is three GINDORF brothers came to America in the late
1700's to early 1800's settling in the Stevenville and Brownsville, TX area.
There were many German immigrants to south TX, but there are few Gindorf's
today.

If anyone can tell me anything about GINDORFs in America, I would really
appreciate your efforts.

Thanks,
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From: kswatek@su19az.ess.harris.com (Ken Swatek)
Subject: Re:      Genealogy Software for IBM
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:31:49 GMT
Reply-To: kswatek@su19az.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 01GT7HRKW7NQ8WXCE9@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu,         CHINN@VUCTRVAX.BITNET () writes:
>Dear Rooters,
>
>I know it has been asked before, but I need to know.  What genealogy
>software do you use or recommend for IBM (DOS) compatible computers?
>One feature I would like it to have is print in a book or report
>format.
>
>Anyway, I just want to get a feel for what's popular before I buy.
>
>Steve (Chinn@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU)
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I use the "Family Tree Journal".  It creates a book with several
sections, appendixes, a time line, table of contents and an index.  You
can create books for any group of families.  You can also create
booklets for individuals.

Note however that there are two things I don't like about FTJ.
They are:

	1.  To change a data field you must retype it.

	2.  It would be nice if you could have one address linked to
	    several names.  This would save time entering address into
	    the address book.

FTJ is available at hallc1.cebaf.gov (129.57.7.19).  Use "anonymous"
ftp.  The files can be found in the '/genealogy/programs' directory.
The file names are: ftj91-1.zip, ftj91-2.zip & ftj92-3.zip.

Good Luck,
Ken
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Melodie and ALL:

Reference part of this message:
> From: MES@VAX2.UTULSA.EDU (MELODIE SANDERS)

> Can you tell me the procedures for adding files to the ROOTS-L archives?

OK, but first of all, anything on any subject that anyone has ever
sent on ROOTS-L is still available, and you may use search procedures
to find any information required.

About 2 years ago, I start the GENEALOG area, and it is for special
TEXT files which others might want to read.

> I checked the "cherokee" file in the archives, and felt it did not really
> give enough information to refer the discussion group members to. I wrote
> the file with free distribution in mind, and certainly would like to have
> it kept in someone else's directory! :-)

> Are you the one I contact? If not whom?

Yes, I am the one, and you may send anything direct to me.

> And more important, is this the type of files the ROOTS-L archives
> are meant to keep?

The kind of files we want will depend on the group, but I have been
looking for files which would be of interest to several in the group.

> If needed, I could probably (groan) edit the files to a smaller size.
> I also can (much more easily) combine them into one larger file.

The only restriction is, size of the file 65k or smaller, and needs to
as an ASCII file.

Hope this helps, and will probably tell lots of the new readers about
the files.  There are 100's of files available now.

GENEALOG is an area on the LISTSERV computer which is used for storage
of many, many textual files which pertain to genealogy.  GENEALOG has more
than 175 files, all of which are available to any user via regular mail.

You may request a listing of the file be mailed to you by simply
sending the following line to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu as the only
text of a message.

/files roots-L

It normally only takes about ten minutes for the LISTSERV computer to
reply, sending you a message with the entire listing of files.

You may pick & choose the filenames of interest and to request
a file just simply send the following line back
to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu as the only text of a message.

GET GENEALOG filename

   (please replace the "filename" with the filename of interest)

get genealog helpfile    Helpfile for ROOTS-L Users

Good luck...cliff
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From: Brian.Mavrogeorge@p0.f30.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Mavrogeorge)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Genealogy Software for Mac?
Date: 8 Jan 93 06:18:54 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:125/30.0 - Roots(SF!), San Francisco CA

Get a copy of the current newsletter from The National Genealogical Society in Washington DC. They have a list of all MAC genealogy programs in it.



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From:         Richard Casault <casault@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      VA MEDICAL CENTER, WASHINGTON D.C.
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Any rooters in the Washington D.C. area?

I'm trying to contact a cousin, Tim WILLIAMS, who is an administrator at
the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Washington D.C.  The snail-mail
address I have for Tim at home is flawed.  Does anyone know if the VA Med.
Ctr. has access to Internet?  If so, would someone be willing to "finger"
Tim's net address for me, please?  My attempts using netfind have been
unsuccessful.  Please reply by e-mail, not by posting.

Thanks for your help.
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From: thompson@nde.unl.edu (norma thompson)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Schatz in Baden
Date: 9 Jan 1993 15:01:11 GMT
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Summary: Want to locate village of origin for Georg Schatz and Marcus(?) Schatz
Keywords: help wanted trying to find schatz from baden


We are reaching dead-ends here in NEbraska trying to find out where our 
ancestors came from in Germany.  We believe Georg   Schatz (middle init. 
possibly S) came from Baden, but can't be more specific. His brother, my 
great-great grandfather we think was named Marcus or Johann. Georg came to 
the US about 1845, married here. He was born approximately 1827 or 1828. We
believe his brother was born in the same time period (1820's-1830's) and 
came to US also about 1845-1855, since his first son was born here in 1856.
 Here is Missouri. Marcus (we think) was killed in the Civil War and his 
widows obituary refers to him as Mr. Schatz.  She remarried.  
Marcus, we get from a ring that had been in the family with the name Marcus
Schatz engraved in it.  The ring had since been stolen.  
  We've been told that SCHATZ is very common in the Baden area, but would 
appreciate any help in how to continue our search for the right 
village/town/city in the area to look for this Schatz family.  Thank you 
from Salem, NEbraska (extreme SE of state in the center of the US)
Norma Thompson\

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Subject:      Cairo,Illinois

Can anyone near Cairo, Illinois shed any light on the PARNELL or WINFIELD
name? Edward Charles Parnell, born Cairo, Illinois 5-17-1892. Married to
Laura Winfield. PARNELL worked for Southern Pacific Railroad. Any help
greatly appreciated.
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Heres the scenario:    Two siblings.

Sister and Brother.

Sister has daughter and daughter has two sons.

Brother has son.

What is the Brother's son to the daughter's sons?
What is the brother to the daughter's sons?


Thanks in advance,
Jennifer E. Farnham
StorageTek, Louisville, Co.
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:21:05 EST
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From:         "J.P. Letellier" <jp@WIZARD.NRL.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: GED2TT
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You may obtain the file "ged2t9.zip" by ftp
ftp OAK.oakland.edu
do an anonymous login, and look in directory
pu/msdos/genealogy.
jp
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:58:03 DST
Reply-To:     Kerry Casey <kac@BOM.GOV.AU>
From:         Kerry Casey <kac@BOM.GOV.AU>
Subject:      Re: CD/ROM,DOS/MAC, FHC
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

To David Carson, who asked

>Here's where I need help.
>
>Obviously any disk I copy to at the FHC must be
>formatted for DOS.
>
>Will I be able to format there?  How about
>capacity:  800k, 1.3 meg?  Either?  Or?


I have used the CD-ROM based Family Search program at the State Library
of Victoria. (Australia). I understand that the equipment is leased from the
local LDS.

I remember it had at least a 3 1/2 inch floppy drive ( I can't remember
if there was a 5 1/4 inch drive, as I was using a 3 1/2 inch diskette).

I used a 1.2 MB DOS 3 1/2 inch diskette with no problems. However, I
brought the diskette with me already formatted, because the PC has the
Family Search program startup screen on it, and you cannot get to DOS to
format the diskette. I don't remember there being a format command
in the copy to diskette menu.


However, I don't know that the hardware for this system is going to be
the same throughout the world. Software yes, but hardware? Some machines
may have two floppy drives, others one. Perhaps a phone call first to the
centre you are visiting would be a good idea.

>What do I do now?
>
>How do I get from DOS format to MAC format?  Is
?there a program which will translate for me?  How
>will I get my MAC to accept the DOS formatted disk?

I don't have a MAC, but I understand there are MAC programs that will
read a DOS formatted floppy in the MAC floppy drive, and copy the files
on the floppy to the hard disk in MAC format. I could, of course, be wrong
about this. Perhaps MAC users out there could clear this up.

Hope this helps.

Kerry Casey


Searching for BERRIMAN/CASEY/OLIVER/WALSH
From: oysteing@garm.idt.unit.no (Oystein Groevlen)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Famous Ancestors (Re: Martin Luther and Famous Ancestors)
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:37:19 GMT
Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <C0GDC4.EHH@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>   In other words, in a relatively small country like Quebec or any other
>   place with a group of say 5 millions of inhabitants (like Denmark,
>   Finland, many other countries), you will connect to most "known"
>   persons a few centuries ago.

This  would have  been  true if the probability for a marriage between
two persons, was  about the same for all  combinations of a male and a
female. This  might be true for Quebec,  but I don't think  it is true
for  any  European  country. People married within their social group.
Rich married rich, and poor married poor. I  guess that all  the first
settlers of Quebec more or less belonged to the same social groups. In
Europe, however, the social groups  have  evolved through  a  thousand
years.  Before this century there was few inter-group marriages.

In addition, most people lived their whole life  at the same farm, and
married someone from a  neighboring farm.  If they had to move  to get
work, they usually did not travel very far.

All my  ancestors  that  I know  of come from the same county (Sogn og
Fjordane)  in  Norway. All were farmers  like their father before them.
There is only one exception. A danish  woman named Sille Kierulf which
stranded  on  a  Norwegian  Island because  of  a  shipwreck.  She was
pregnant, and the father  of her daughter is said to be a danish baron
Ulrik which supposedly was an illegal(?) son of a Danish king.

> The same apply to religions I think.  

Maybe  to religious groups  like the Quakers,  but not  to  the  Roman
Catholic Church or the Norwegian Lutheran Church which  all Norwegians
belonged  to  a  few centuries  ago.  However,  it might  apply to the
pastors of Norwegian Church.

>  Or to other social groups where there will be such intra-group marriages
>  practice.

This is true, and is exactly my  point. A Norwegian from the old upper
class is probably related to most "known" people some centuries ago.


Oystein Groevlen 
Division of Computer Systems and Telematics
The Norwegian Institute of Technology
The University of Trondheim
Email: oysteing@idt.unit.no
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Reply-To:     Brian Abernathy <cba@EWS001.ATL.HP.COM>
From:         Brian Abernathy <cba@EWS001.ATL.HP.COM>
Subject: Re: GENEALOG: NEW Files
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              93 12:44 (noon)

Thanks Tom!  I have been trying to dial in to that system all day!
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Genealogy program wanted...
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:22:28 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

stark@dms.agames.com (Gary Stark) writes:

>generating reports.  I know PAF is available on the PC, but I understand it's
>even worse (always a version behind). 

And I thought it was the MAC that was a generation behind.

 I'd ***REALLY*** like to find a program
>that can incorporate graphics (digitized photos) into the database, but I won't
>hold my breath on that one.  Last of all, it must be GEDCOM compatible.  Any
>help is most appreciated...

Brothers Keeper on a PC will do this fine if you have the space for the images 
and the hardware to get them in and out.

fred
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From: pikedav@lab5.duc.auburn.edu (David Pike)
Subject: Bermingstone, Dorset, England
Organization: Auburn University, Alabama
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:47:22 GMT

It has recently come to my attention that an ancestor of mine (Sarah Jones,
born about 1746, daughter of William & Hannah Jones) may have been born
in Bermingstone, Dorset, England.

The question that I wish to pose to the newsgroup is:  In which parish is
Bermingstone found?

- David.

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From:         George Waller <HBLADM47@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      BK-->W4W

I have finished a prototype of a system which takes output from
Brother's Keeper (DOS 5.1a), reads it into Word for Windows
(DOS 2.0a on Windows 3.1) where it is formatted and indexed for
"pretty" printing. Not 100% nor fast. Interested parties please contact:

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From: rhackenb@john.atl.ge.com (Bob Hackenberg)
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Subject: Re: DeskJet refills
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:20:09
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In-reply-to: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca's message of Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:13:48 GMT

In article <C0Grn1.Go1@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:


   >Do you (or others who do their own refills) have any
   >suggestions/techniques/cautions for those of us who
   >are about to have a go at a refill?

   The only true hint with a cheap refilling of the cartridge for the
   HP Deskjet (I have a Deskjet 500C, but I presume the full Deskjet
   series have the same model of cartridges):




I recently tried to refill my DeskJet 500 black ink cartridge with a
refill kit that I bought at a computer fair.  I think I paid about $9
for a kit that contained two accordion-shaped bottles that had angled
needles coming out of them.  There is supposed to be enough in the kit
to refill two cartridges.  

The instructions said to insert the needle in all the way into the
breather hole and then pull back a quarter of an inch and start
squeezing.  I was supposed to stop when ink started coming out of the
hole.  What really happened was the ink came out immediately.  I ended
up having to squirt a drop in at a time, let it come out and then ooze
back in.  Eventually, I got about a half of a bottle in and the
cartridge seemed to work fine.


   Using a 30 units seringue (the first I get in a drugstore), I have to
   shout the ink about 45 times.  So, check for a larger seringue.
   And the single cartridge has one hole on the top.  It is very easy to
   refill.

Do you mean that you kept shooting the ink in in small amounts?

-- Bob Hackenberg

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From: bartusek@iscsvax.uni.edu
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Subject: Genealogy Software for Mac?
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:49:03 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I am just starting my family genealogy, and I would like to know what type 
of software packages are out there for Mac, compitable on system 7 or on a
older operating system.  Thanks in advance.

Marc A. Bartusek
University of Northern Iowa

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