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From: uns002@cent1.lancs.ac.uk (University Radio Bailrigg)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: SUPPRESSION OF MEDIA FREEDOM - PLEASE READ
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:20:11 GMT
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		IMPORTANT! Serious posting from an English college.

	Today (Thu 21 Jan) University Radio Bailrigg in Lancaster was
closed down by its own student Union.

The basic premise behind this is that the Union do not like URB making money
off its own back. For this reason they have changed the locks and stopped us
broadcasting.
	We have a highly successful deal with a local nightclub, for which
	we provide Djs and publicity. This knocks spots out of the Union-run
nightclub in the area, which offers jobs to the entire Exec, who stand to lose
if their club performs poorly... You can sense their motives now.

	With no warning given of any grievance they had with us, they simply
	stormed our station and closed it down. This occured late at night,
not during office hours, but after an Exec meeting from which independent
observers were excluded (democracy?). The mass meeting held two days
previously was not consulted.

	We need your help.

	This is a dangerous precedent. With funding from unions minimal and
	soon to disappear (union budgets are tight and the pressure on radio
	stations is ever-increasing), how else are we to operate a
	radio station?

We are therefore putting this out as a general appeal to as many
free-thinkers as possible to please, if you could spare just a few
pounds/dollars/whatever and a few minutes of your time to send a fax of
support and protest to the Students Union at Lancaster University, UK on
the following number:

		+44 524 846 732

This will help to show the union that they are not able to simply ride
roughshod over a few individuals and there are people all over the world
who feel as strongly as we do over this travesty of democracy

	Your help will be greatly appreciated. This is NOT a joke.

Thankyou in advance....

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Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: era@csn.org (Ed Arnold)
Subject: REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE
Originator: era@teal.csn.org
Keywords: Extremists, Christian Right, Amendment 2
Reply-To: era@csn.org (Ed Arnold)
Organization: Citizens Project; Colorado Springs, CO
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:46:54 GMT

We of the Citizens Project (Colorado Springs, CO) are looking for people
who could assist us in re-distributing the Citizens Project Newsletter
to non-Internet computer services.  If you have an account on any such
services (CompuServe, FidoNet, Genie, Prodigy, America Online, and others)
and are willing to help us, please let us know via return email to
era@ncar.ucar.edu.

The Citizens Project is a Colorado Springs, CO - based group of volunteers
who seek to prevent extremists from eliminating our fundamental freedoms,
in the face of growing political and religious intolerance in Colorado.
--
Ed Arnold * Boulder, CO * 303-497-1253(voice,weekday) * 303-494-6949(voice)
internet: era@csn.org * compuserve: internet:era@csn.org * bitnet: era@ncario
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Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.homosexual
From: jeg7e@livia.acs.Virginia.EDU (John E. Gefaell)
Subject: Re: Beat 'Em Back In The Closet!
Organization: Security and Technology Planning, ITC/UVA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:35:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.022335.28954@newstand.syr.edu> crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Christopher R. Dunlea) writes:
>In article <kd1hz2@anomaly.sbs.com> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>>I'll be sure to contact the gentlemen at muskingum to insure that even if
>>you do succeed in censoring him at that site, he will have another site 
>>from which to post messages.
>
>Ah, lovely. Another misguided citizen who confuses freedom of expression
>with the license to defame and preach hate, not to mention the possibility
>of leading his institution, Muskingum, into a civil rights lawsuit (there
>was no disclaimer to protect the school, which you must have seen, IF you
>even read the post...). Maybe if I say the same about YOU, who I likewise 
>have never met, and was thrown off this site for it, you would be so civic
>minded and help me find another site to attack you from? Your hypocrisy 
>bleeds through on my screen. 

Get a clue. ALL postings on USEnet and other forums on the Internet are 
implicitly the opinions of the poster, and not the organization they
are posted from.

BZZZZZZT, why not get a clue and read news.answers and news.newusers.questions
and learn what you're supposed to learn before you start acting like you
know what you're talking about.

Freedom of expression does not mean you can use someones machine, it DOES mean
you can pay to connect up a machine, and express yourself freely.

>Oh, and if this guy, or you, were to post like that (are you sure you 
>read his post?! Really??) no law in this country could protect you from
>getting thrown off--no sysmanager wants a to fight a lawsuit on behalf
>of the likes of YOU.

The Law in this country that would protect you is called the bill of rights,
and the constitution, I believe. There was nothing unlawful in the
original posting


Note, I found the original posting personaly offensive, I'm Queer. I'm
also not about to start shutting up opinions I detest.


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     | Security and Technology Planning R&D    \    /   / |
     | I.T.C. Administrative Computing Services \  /   /  | 
     | The University, UVA. Carruthers Hall      \/\  /   |
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Xref: sparky alt.censorship:10102 alt.feminism:7616 news.groups:26248
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.feminism,news.groups
Subject: Re: soc.feminism editorial policy
Followup-To: alt.censorship
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:26:41 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <C1BGC7.Bur@panix.com> gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
>A few years ago I worked at a
>business that did not take the alt groups; when the 
>management decided to cut back on resources (mostly, the
>phone bill) the talk and rec groups were removed as well.  
>That's real censorship -- certain articles are prevented 
>from appearing.

   Bullshit.  A company has a right to decide how to use its resources.
If it wants to, for instance, only get a comp.* feed, or not get a USENET
feed at all, that's a business decision (allocation of resources), not
censorship.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
From: mk@roxi.rz.fht-mannheim.de (Marcel Kraenzle)
Subject: Re: How can I talk to Holland?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 13:54:18 CET
Organization: Fachhochschule fuer Technik, Mannheim (FRG)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Alexei Yanson (leksei@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU) wrote:
: Hi,
: I've been trying to connect to rulgm0.LeidenUniv.nl host ( as well as 		
: rulgm1, rulgm2 and rulgm3 ) to talk to a person but it seems they have
: a very strange Internet connection - command 'finger' on UNIX says that
: that person's logged on, but neither 'talk' nor IRC can detect the same
: - they just say that he's logged off. Any suggestions will be 
: appreciated.
: Thanks,					Alex.


You must not connect to a dutch server. If he is on IRC and you. You
can join the same channel and talk together !!

Ciao Marcel
From: david@donald.concordia.ca (David Gaudine)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: HELP USING IRC2
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:51:24 GMT
Organization: ORGANIZATION!! HERE? You must be kidding

In article <1993Jan25.124801.20550@mlb.semi.harris.com> dbrillha@dave.mis.semi.harris.com writes:
>Hi,
>
>  I'm a new IRC2 user. I built the code, installed it, and issued
>"irc2 -f". Then I joined a channel using "/join #whatever". At that
>point I can watch a conversation, but if I try to enter any words of
>wisdom, it tells me "You have not joined a channel!". 
>
>  Well, how do I join a channel so that I can write to it?
>
>*** dbrillha!dbrillha@dave.mis.semi.harris.com has joined channel #UK
>*** = #UK : dbrillha cyberwulf varg 
>*** You have not joined a channel!

I had that same problem with a particular version of IRC2 (UNIX).  That version
has other problems too.  I solved the problem by grabbing a newer version.
I think the old version was ircII2.06 (not sure).  I updated to ircII2.1.5h
which is not the latest but is ok.  Just don't use the version that comes
with the server, from what I hear.
-- 
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From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: /dcc
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:10:35 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau30.ira.uka.de

In article <1993Jan21.120517.12904@aston.ac.uk> evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans) writes:

> How about having the recipient also be able to send a REFUSE CTCP back
> which will cause the socket the requester is holding to be closed.

Could be an idea, needs only to be implemented.

> : 	Accept the connection.
> could also put in a check that the host connecting to you is what you
> expect it to be

But how do you verify, no, how do you *know* what you expect it to be?

> (while this is open anyone who knows it's port number can connect to it,
> should be just the client you are trying to contact. Anyone who can run
> a program such as netstat on your machine can find this out)

Surely, there is a security hole. But I see no provision for fixing it
while remaining compatible to the now existing thing. 

You could perhaps issue a WHOIS to find out the *host* of the other
part, but not more. (Requesting the username too via an authentication
server would throw out too many users, I suspect, and decreasing the
chance that this protocol will be implemented in more client versions.)

> Is a DCC REFUSE command currently included?

You can DCC CLOSE the request, which will clean things up at your
side, but not signal back to the requestor.

Olaf
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Newsgroups: alt.irc,alt.irc.recovery,alt.mud.lp,alt.mud,rec.games.mud,rec.games.hack,talk.bizarre,alt.drugs,soc.net-people
From: kinsler@physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler)
Subject: Re: Virtual Reality Addiction (Questionnaire)
Followup-To: soc.net-people 
Keywords: no statistical validity
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:45:33 GMT

In article <C1IMoI.6qF@waterloo.hp.com>, hudel@waterloo.hp.com (Chris Hudel) writes:
>>    I (chudel@watarts.uwaterloo.ca) wrote:
>>    :[Survey about Virtual Reality Additions deleted]
>>    :[...]

Just thought I'd point out that this survey will have almost no 
statistical validity whatsoever, except as an indication of 
what the sub-group of people who <have acess to USENET, 
and read this group, who respond to requests to surveys, who 
answer this particular survey becuase the aren't all that 
busy, ... etc>, think. Don't think the result need be in anyway
indicative of what all "vr-users" really think.

I have directed followups to soc.net-people to save bandwidth.
------------------------------+soluble fish+------------------------------
"You people, you do not see the grandeur in the wind and stone and stars,
 in the blood and fire and iron - but paint only the flowers."
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: walkie@netcom.com (Benjamin Wayne Witz)
Subject: Re: Bots and Common Sense
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:59:05 GMT

While we ar refering to finding friends and looking fr
friends, making bots, etc.... whatever happened
to the /NOIFY - /NOTE comands? I found those very
helpful to find outwhen a friendof mine logs on...
I have over 50 friends on IRC,an it's a pain now
to go thru /NAMS every 10 minor so and go thru
1100+ users (esp. @2400b)

-- 
[Benjamin W. Witz (WalkieT)   |        walkie@netcom.com]
[Portage, MI                  |        x90witz@wmich.edu]
[(616) 3276419                |  99witz@lab.cc.wmich.edu]
From: grendel@src4src.linet.org (Don Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: IRC telephone clients on Long Island?
Keywords: IRC telephone new york BillZeCat return
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:03:17 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source

Simple questions: Are there any dial-up IRC links? If so, are there any in the
516 area code?
 
Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I haven't read this group since I last IRC'd (May
1992).
 
--Don formerly known as BillZeCat

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| "Then according to the man who showed his outstretched arm to space,      |
From: cbvetter@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Chris Vetter)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Help - IRCmania ?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 08:04:47 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rbhp75.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de

HELP!

Can anyone out there tell me, how to get rid of this wonderful disease ?

(Probably the wrong group ;) 
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: leksei@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Alexei Yanson)
Subject: How can I talk to Holland?
			
Organization: University of Maine Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:49:49 GMT

Hi,
I've been trying to connect to rulgm0.LeidenUniv.nl host ( as well as 		
rulgm1, rulgm2 and rulgm3 ) to talk to a person but it seems they have
a very strange Internet connection - command 'finger' on UNIX says that
that person's logged on, but neither 'talk' nor IRC can detect the same
- they just say that he's logged off. Any suggestions will be 
appreciated.
Thanks,					Alex.
From: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: What is ircIII?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:45:58 +0100
Organization: INSA Informatique (GRASP), Lyon, France
NNTP-Posting-Host: grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr

What about a little bit of coordination ?

With many software (I mean stuff which desserves the name of software)
there are generally people in charge of managing the sources, a
mailing list for developpers and a moderated one for announcements
and sometimes even a newsgroup.

How do you folx expect anything clean with unspecificed stuff ?

>Host grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr
>
>    Location: /pub/unix/irc/ircII
>           FILE -r--r--r--     566628  Jun 28 00:00  ircIII.tar.Z

Like one said:  let's erradicate IRC from the planet.
Here's a good start:

3 [20:32] wolf@grasp1:~> cd /ftp/pub/unix
4 [20:40] wolf@grasp1:/ftp/pub/unix> ll irc
total 168
-rw-r--r--   1 wolf     anonftp      266 Jun 28 1992  00README
drwxr-sr-x   2 wolf     anonftp      512 Jun 28 1992  Emacs
-rw-r--r--   1 wolf     anonftp    25751 Jun 28 1992  IRC-map-de.ps.Z
-rw-r--r--   1 wolf     anonftp    26172 Jun 28 1992  IRC-map-europe.ps.Z
drwxr-sr-x   2 wolf     anonftp      512 Jun 28 1992  ircII
drwxr-sr-x   2 wolf     anonftp      512 Jun 28 1992  msdos
drwxr-sr-x   2 wolf     anonftp      512 Jun 28 1992  rxirc
drwxr-sr-x   2 wolf     anonftp      512 Jun 28 1992  server
drwxr-sr-x   2 wolf     anonftp      512 Jun 28 1992  vms
5 [20:40] wolf@grasp1:/ftp/pub/unix> rm -fr irc


Ah what a relief !

-- 
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  "  before, it seems to work...  after,  crash-blurps-noreboot-yellow-button"
From: std_fleming@hg.uleth.ca (John Fleming)
Subject: Re: Pun alert II
Reply-To: std_fleming@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:59:43 GMT

 Personally, I've always thought the quantifier symbols should be "up-
side down E" and "backwards A".  What's mathematical logic without a 
little confusion?
                              John
From: phone@coombs.anu.edu.au (matthew green)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: HELP USING IRC2
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:36:53 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

david@donald.concordia.ca (David Gaudine) writes:

>I had that same problem with a particular version of IRC2 (UNIX).  That version
>has other problems too.  I solved the problem by grabbing a newer version.
>I think the old version was ircII2.06 (not sure).  I updated to ircII2.1.5h
>which is not the latest but is ok.  Just don't use the version that comes
>with the server, from what I hear.

ircII version 2.1.5h is the last _release_ version of ircII.  It was
released quite some time ago.  The `latest' versions of ircII you are
hinting at above, are pre-release versions of ircII 2.2....

phone..

the constant pedant..   :)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: PHSTUD32@nyx.uni-konstanz.de (Pascal Gienger)
Subject: Irc II client for VM/SP CMS
Organization: University of Konstanz, Germany
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:13:49 GMT

Hey people!

We have a very big problem:
Here in Konstanz, we have an old COMPAREX running with IBM VM/SP CMS.
Our only IRC client is Loesch's rxirc v1.5.
But this client doesn't support the IRC-II functions.
My question is: Does a VM/CMS IRC-II client exist and when yes, where is
it available ?
Many IRC users here would be glad to hear about that :-)

Perhaps somebody works on such a client program at the moment...

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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis)
Subject: Re: HELP USING IRC2
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:52:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.124801.20550@mlb.semi.harris.com> dbrillha@dave.mis.semi.harris.com writes:
>Hi,
>
>  I'm a new IRC2 user. I built the code, installed it, and issued
>"irc2 -f". Then I joined a channel using "/join #whatever". At that
>point I can watch a conversation, but if I try to enter any words of
>wisdom, it tells me "You have not joined a channel!". 
>
>  Well, how do I join a channel so that I can write to it?
>
>*** dbrillha!dbrillha@dave.mis.semi.harris.com has joined channel #UK
>*** = #UK : dbrillha cyberwulf varg 
>*** You have not joined a channel!
>



In my version, /join is /join_and_do_whatever_teh_hell_you_please.

Thatis to say, if I /join a channel, I can write, read, etc.
what you're doing should work.

mickey
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|| ||ace  
|\/ ||||  "Let your life proceed by its own design"  (GD)
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: schmuck@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Karl Schmuck [Bib])
Subject: logfile
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:15:51 GMT

Hello ircler

does anyone of you know who to produce a logfile of an irc-session ?
I'm running IRCII on a Unix.

Thanks Karl

-- 
Karl H. Schmuck          (schmuck@rhrk.uni-kl.de)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis)
Subject: what happened to earthgate.com ?????
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:56:53 GMT


Heynow..
I usually connect to server "earhgate.com" as it is close to where I
live, but lately I've been connecting, and I would be the only user.  It
seems, the only people who can interact in any way on that server are
people who logged into that server, sort of a "earthgate RC"...

what happened??
Is it expected to come back up??

Mickey.



-- 
|| ||pe   MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu
|| ||ace  
|\/ ||||  "Let your life proceed by its own design"  (GD)
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From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: Bots for research and modelling
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:31:30 GMT

In article <C1I8IL.2p8@unix.amherst.edu> jedubins@unix.amherst.edu (Just a fellow traveller...) writes:

> I think people will just have to
>learn to look at userid@host to see if the 'Dave' they see is really the
>one they know or not.  As always, people with fake userid@host should be
>identified, that's more clearly a case of impersonation than just having
>a nick someone else happens to use.

This is a rather trivial feature to add to a client these days, but
nobody has done it. Basically, the client would watch what nicknames
the user sends private messages to, and uses USERHOST to find out
their username and hostname. Then, when a message is received from
that user, if user@host doesn't match, then a warning is displayed.
This information can be kept between irc sessions.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (Michael D. Adams)
Subject: Re: Help - IRCmania ?
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
X-Political-Statement: Bigotry is not a family value -- boycott Colorado, think twice about Oregon, watch out for Ohio and Idaho
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:38:15 GMT

adax@leopard.cosy.sbg.ac.at (Adi Dax) writes:
>cbvetter@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Chris Vetter) writes:
>> HELP!
>> 
>> Can anyone out there tell me, how to get rid of this wonderful disease ?
>> 
>> (Probably the wrong group ;) 

>*smile* Why wanna get rid of it ? Its a wonderful, intriguing gizmo !

>I LOVE it !

Lord!  Another IRC addict.

--StarOwl, virtually IRC-free for four months now.

--
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StarOwl@uiuc.edu	      | for themselves.  -- Abraham Lincoln
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