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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:30:17 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      A few words on Alien
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_Alien_, Ridley Scott's early '80's science fiction-cum-horror oeuvre, is
a splendid example of the reification of phallocentric imagery as it
continues to be utilized to oppress women and ethnic minorities.

The film's plot takes 7 space voyagers out of their normal routine, that
is, haulers of ore on a gigantic space barge, on a fantastic journey where
they must confront the class struggle, the oppressive corporate expoliter
of millions, their own sexuality, and ultimately, themselves.

The Alien creature himself is emblematic of all that works to divide and
rule the underclass. His cranium glistens like a wet penis in the strobes,
his mouth opens to expose a "tongue" which is hard as a knife and which is
used to "rape" its victims. The violence is explicit, the pain
supernatural, the symbolism so overt as to blur the line between
suggestion and statement.

Naturally, the only opponent who can stand a chance to the creature is
amazon Sigourney Weaver, the archetypical Strong Woman. She succeeds in
vanquishing the Alien only after she has been stripped of her chitinous
outershell (her crewman's uniform) and been exposed as quintessentially
feminine. In this denouement we see the struggle deconstruct into the
classical struggle between male and female; overclass and underclass;
oppressor and oppressed; technology and biology. Just as the Alien appears
to be extending his "tongue" in preparation to killing her, she blows the
hatch on the escape shuttle (strong birth/abortion symbology). The Alien
grabs the edge of the hatch and appears able to withstand the force of the
craft's decompression when Ripley shoots him with something that looks
like a spear dart--as an amazon, she is able to appropriate the iconology
of the oppressor and use it for her own liberation. The force of the
direct hit knocks the creature into space, and although it tries to regain
access to Ripley's nurturing power by scuttling into one of the rocket
exhausts, she cuts him off with a blast from the engines, establishing
irrevoacably that this womb is off-limits to him.

"I beat you, you son of a bitch," she says exhaustedly. And so the great
socialist struggle continues.

-abh
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Date: 23 Nov 1992 05:13:26 GMT
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In a previous article, samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU () says:

>Oh, Ken laughed. He must be Psychick.
>
Well, Psychsick, anyway.  It wasn't much of a joke.
Unless maybe he was laughing at my identical twin.<nudge nudge>

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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:19:23 EST
From:         ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: Monday is one of my favorite days.

>
> I may finally have a JOB. I will know later today.
> Please send all good vibes toward me. I need all the help I can get.
>
> later
>
> alec

OH, Lord!  Consider this poor sinner, Alec, consider him well, know
that he cometh unto Thee with a heavy heart and a light wallet, and
know that he repenteth, O Lord, I KNOOOOOOOOOW he repenteth of his
misdeeds!  And therefore, O Big Guy, give unto him this dandy new job
that will get him out of the ranks of Perpetual Studentdom.  O Lord,
right this injustice, take Ye this Nice Jewish Boy and transport him
from this bastion of Big East RC basketball and into the land of the
76ers and the Knicks, Oh Lord we pray of Thee, Amen!

And if you won't, you're a sorehead.

Good luck, Alec!

Ken
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:59:00 EST
From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Tercets For Triplets
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> >         Cervical?  Anne!  Rashmi!  You never told us about *this* side
> > of Tushar...
>
> I dunno, this is getting confusing as all hell... first Graham's insinuations,
> now this.  I guess interested parties will have to attend the next Words-L
> gathering that Tushar attends, and find out the truth for themselves.
>
> rashmi

Does this mean that rashmi is going to get together a game of
<show-bottom>?  Well, I *never*!
--ggs
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject: Re: Another Contest

*** Resending note of 11/20/92 08:02

>I am reposting some letters of mine which don't seem
>to have reached.

>tushar

Thanks...but not necessary...  I have already received all the letters
you have posted ....plus all new ones, if any.
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Cincinnati dialect: Update
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:48:22 GMT
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In a previous article, 185422285@UCIS.VILL.EDU ("Alec D. Plotkin") says:

>>Cheeseheads 17, Yellow Mustard on Hot Dogs 3!
>
>Eagles win again. Giants falter and Quarterback is knocked
>senseless.
>
Why be nice about it?  Jeff H. got his a** pounded into the astroturf.
Then the Eagles jumped all over the substitute QB; he got a TD, but
after that never really had a chance.  Good ol' Eagle defense.:-)

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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:30:15 EST
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Cincinnati dialect: Update
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>Judith, it appears that, so far, we have two in the "seldom" category:
>-mole and its inspirations (I put the various chilis with chocolate here)
>-chocolate covered pretzels (as pointed out by Frank)
>
>rashmi (trying in vain to think of more)

Thank you, Rashmi...keep at it.  A friend gave me a recipe
for salty chocolate chip cookies, which he claims are
super-delicious, and I'll post it if anyone believes him,
but, since I have borderline high bloodpressure, I don't
try it.

love, judith
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Date:         Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:57:56 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Ha and ha again
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:I beg your pardon, tushar, but just what the !@#$%^&*+ do you think
:you mean by this?

:>
:>#2: I have gently nurtured more newbies than are thought of in your
:>    philosophy, cf Bayla.


:--bayla (introduced to words-l by g toal, and not needing much coaxing!)

Ooh! Miss Touchy!  I think he meant you have a reputation for being <nice>
to newbies...

G
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:35:55 -0500
From:         Joan Boorstein <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Eggspots in the fridge
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>My refrigerator has 13 eggslots.
>
>mine doesn't have any.
>

Current refrigerator has a removable tray -- great now that egg consumption
is way down with kids gone most of the time -- use it when you want -- hard
to use the space for anything else ---

>had some, but I forget how many.  It was a freezer-on-the bottom type, which
>seems to have gone out of style.....  Is it economics, or frozen dinners?:-)

Not so sure they are gone -- when our fridge was acting up recently and I went
looking for new ones (the act of searching seemed to have 'fixed' the problem)
saw a few freezer-on-the-bottom models -- still lots of freezer-on-the-top
and some side-by-side --

Joan
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:21:52 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: All this croning stuff
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> I believe I have been misunderstood.  I said that one source said cronings
> happen at one's second Saturn return.  Other sources suggested that as a
> good time, also including the end of menses, the birth of a first
> grandchild, retirement, or (and this part is important) *whenever a woman
> feels it is appropriate.*

I thought I remembered something like "when she feels powerful" rather than
"whenever a woman feels it is appropriate."  Appropriateness is worthy of
some thought.  I'll ponder it.

> And besides, unless I'm much mistaken, this ceremony is not going to be by
> and for Witches at all -- you're just drawing from those sources because,

I mentioned witches only because you had mentioned the Witch Police.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Eggspots in the fridge
Date: 21 Nov 1992 05:52:39 GMT
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In a previous article, CROSEN@OPIE.BGSU.EDU () says:

>Greetings,
>
>Ruth writes: "A couple of climbers died of exposure... after exposing a couple
>of rolls of film."
>
>One dangerous darkroom, eh?
>
Big snowy mountains do tend to have that reputation...yep.:-)
Only, you develop film in a darkroom; you expose it wherever you're taking
pictures.  Although....you can take time exposures in a dark room, and a cave
on Everest might just qualify as that.  Especially at night...with a Yeti
stalking you.
<Steven King-ish grin>


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Subject: Re: Cars vs. Pub. Transport
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:31:16 GMT
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Posted by Our Mother of the Tannery

>People who lived in Southern California in the 40's recognized
>the plot in _Who Killed Roger Rabbit_.  The important part (not
>the 'Toons) was the destruction of mass transit (especially the
>Red Cars, but also the Yellow Cars) in favor of a freeway system,
>benefits going to the petroleum industry.

As I remember hearing it, even more than the oil industry, the tire and auto
makers were responsible for the death of the Red Cars. Also, in SoCal, never
underestimate the role of the real estate and contracting industries; the  Red
Car had originally been built, I believe, to get people out of the city;
Henry Huntington, of the Southern Pacific and Library fame, studied where
people went on his cars, then built subdevelopments there. Ken Jackson, in
"Crabgrass Frontier", credits him with starting the LA sprawl two generation
before the freeway age. Indeed, the first LA freeway--Arroyo Seco Parkway--
was built with the backing of the big department stores *to get people back
downtown*; it opened on 9 Dec. 1940 with a chain reaction accident involving
three cars of dignitaries!

OK--from the book--talking about GM's role in destroying NY's trolley system
in the '30s to convert to (GM) buses--"The details were remarkably similar in
other cities, and by 1950 General Motors had been involved in the replacement
of more than one hundred streetcar operations--including those of Los Angeles,
St. Louis, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Salt Lake City--with GM-manufactured
buses. A federal grand jury ultimately found the giant corporation guilty of
criminal conspiracy for this effort, but the total fine--$5,000--was less than
the profit returned from the conversion of a single streetcar."

When my uncles were just kids, late '20s and '30s, you could go from their
small town near the RI border all the way into Boston, and *I think* into
Providence and Worcester too, on the streetcars. But hey, what's good for GM...

b.c., screenwriter of the documentary, "Karlson and Me"
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:15:11 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tercets For Triplets
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> Natalie, another submission for the ftp archives?

Done.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Re: FYFI
Date: 20 Nov 92 07:33:03 GMT
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The only problem, dear gilbert, is that the messages do not appear in 
order, nor do I think they've all managed to apepar on my screen:
 this not being Latin, I have no idea what you said!

--bayla
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:43:00 EST
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Greetings,

The oddity is in describing such witless transparencies as "jokes."

Marty
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:40:15 -0700
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Subject: Re: FYFI

     --ggs,

       We like you, at least *most* of the time.

       However, you *do* have a knack for being somewhat <tacky>
       at times.

       Joe P.(who is *never* <tacky> himself.)
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:45:30 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Two Predictions
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On Mon, 23 Nov 1992, Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078 wrote:

> Now, how many of you think I am wrong, or my thinking is flawed?
>
> If you feel the need to flame, criticize ideas, not me personally.

Not at all, Don. But, then, I am an Episcopalian.

-abh
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Croning
Date: 19 Nov 1992 05:25:19 GMT
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In a previous article, harwell@TENET.EDU (Anne Burton Harwell) says:

>What's the deal with this list lately? Volume is way off.
>
Too true, sister Pig.  What say we generate a bit?  Maybe give these
suddenly close-mouthed Wordslers a virtual enema?

Let's see, did anyone else see the white tiger quints on the Tonight Show?
They are ADORABLE!  Overgrown kittens with strange markings, and a thing for
snuggling with Jay Leno.  Of course, they're going to grow to about 700
pounds each, but.....  At least one cat could keep you warm at night....:-)

How about the Nasa Town Meetings recently?  Anyone else been?

Let's see....  how loud does your music have to be in order for it to sound
right?  Speaking of which, does anyone know if Bach's Art of Fugue is 
available on CD?  There may be a Canadian Brass version floating around
if it's still in print.  

Ruth
doing her Random Volume-Generating best, Marty

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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:28:00 EST
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Subject:      Re: SEMINAR FOR MEN

> 28.     HOW NOT TO ACT YOUNGER THAN YOUR CHILDREN

I just lost interest.

Ken
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:01:00 EST
From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Blast From The Past (Long!)
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>    Statistics gathered since Friday, November the 24th of 1989 (458 days)

        I calculate that this review of the list statistics was done on
        February 25, 1991.  Anyone recall what momentous happenings would
        have prompted it?

        Memories...

>Cory Albrecht                   12           0           0      282,960.03

        From somewhere in Canada?  Calgary?

>Dusty Deal                      77           0           0    2,136,620.56

        Is this the Alaskan?

>NEAL TRAVEN                      5           0           0      128,440.54

        I show up again later.

>Don Pirot                       98           0           0    2,787,368.72

>Rob Stainton                   144           0           0    6,874,678.13

        Attended the Clambake.

>Galmin Stound                  237           0           0    8,041,796.25

        Archfiend...

>Frank Anshen                   157           0           0    2,782,179.66

        Many extended discussions of linguistic esoterica.

>Maryine GUILLOT                 92           0           0    1,930,740.94

        Wasn't that 'Martine (from France)'?

>NEAL TRAVEN                    129           0           0    3,174,896.00

        That's more like it.

>Espen Ore                       19           0           0      322,261.45

        Norwegian, right?  He just disappeared one day.

>Hope Greenberg                  26           0           0      920,781.13

        Her ID at UVM was 'HAG'.  Should she be invited to the croning
        ceremony?

>Charles Michel Boucher         430           0           0    1,823,646.20

        Another Canadian.

>MACGYVER@INDYCMS               254           0           0    5,839,746.71

        Before he became MacPhil, he was MacGyver.

>"Virupaksha Mokshagundam"        8           0           0      386,542.29

        No comment needed.

>Average (units/day):            19           0           0      474,337.19

        We used to be such a quiet crowd...

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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:22:58 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Forwarded greetings
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> > P.S. I'm assuming that the Portland Planners are planning.  Haven't
> > heard much from them since we decided on Portland as the '93 site.
> Maybe you'd better have that goat on the back burner, just in case.

I've been thinking about that.  If it's after people have started buying
non-refundable plane tickets to Portland, I may have to plan on taking
the goat to Oregon.  Wonder if I'll have to buy an extra ticket for it.
I guess I should transport it live -- maybe in the seat next to me.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:18:00 EST
From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: FYFI
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> > My mama frequently dressed me as a <girl>.  Ohmygod.
> > --ggs (who still loves earrings....)
>
> And where do you wear your earrings?
> doris

Why, I thought you'd never ask.  On my <lobes> of course.
--ggs
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:58:07 -0600
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
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Y O U

         H A V E

                  S U C C E E D E D
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: Croning
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:26:08 GMT

harwell@TENET.EDU (Anne Burton Harwell) writes:
> What's the deal with this list lately? Volume is way off.

What did you expect after the religious flamewar ended?

Dozens of posts from Graham about the superiority of American culture?

A flurry of farewells for Ruth because she's joining a free-love
commune?

A continuing stream of reports of joy from Natalie after she tried
OS/2 with a trackball?

Profuse apologies from Alec, who now admits it was all a ruse and
never thought anybody would really vote for Clinton?

An announcement from Tushar that he can no longer pretend that
his communicative preference is for words and will now take up
mime?

Thousands of pearls of words-l wisdom were cast before you but
you deleted them unread.  How do you know these weren't among them?

--karsten

(And you probably didn't find out ~how~ to use the twiddles, either)
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:50:19 -0600
From:         Diki Shamlian Gust <dikig@DDSW1.MCS.COM>
Subject:      Re: 'Wimmin' 'Womyn' - Historical Roots?
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              "samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU" at Nov 18, 92 10:08:31 pm

>
> >                        Personally, I think "-man" as a suffix should just be
> >desexed (or redesexed)--a few years of female chairmen and salesmen should do
> >it--instead of that awful person.
>
> I think "person" is fine. Is it really true that it hasn't entered language?
>
> tushar
>
I always spoke of myself as a draftsman.  Female draftsman never bothered
me though I thought it was silly.  Draftsperson drives me up a wall.

Diki
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:18:05 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      natalie's sparc
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Well, my 486-66 may be blown out of the water right after it shows up
next week.  Latest (dec) Byte says on p.30: "Coming Soon: Sparc Workstations
at PC Prices"   Shows a new TI MicroSparc, developed along with Sun and
Mentor.  Compatible with Sparc software, etc.
Hyundai says they will have one out in early 93, under 5000 bucks....hell,
Natalie can buy a couple of them...one for her, one for Bernardykins....
all with her raise this year.....

dan
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