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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:34:01 CST
Reply-To:     Antonis.Tsolomitis@MATH.TAMU.EDU
From:         Antonis.Tsolomitis@MATH.TAMU.EDU
Subject:      Makedoviko kai "apeilh polemoy"
Comments: To: hellas@brownvm.brown.edu

> >egive <<afeleis>>kai<<apoprosavatolismevoi>>.Oso gia tov polemo
> >isws mou diefyge to sygkekrimevo mivima(dev amfisbntw omws
> >oti dev graftnke),alla egw eida mivimata pou milousav gia apeiln
> >polemou.Dev ypostnrizw aftn tnv apopsn(dev gvwrizw kav av eivai or0n)
> >alla eimaste epistnmoves (n prospa0oume va givoume) kai dev epitrepete
> >va sygxeoume tis ekfraseis <<apeiln polemou>> kai <<polemos>>.
>
> Ksava 0a to pw, h istoria kai n ysteria gyrw apo to Makedoviko kalliergn0hke.
> Kai oi av0rwpoi poy eixav symferov ypnrxav kai ta ereismata kai ta mesa (ta
 MME
> evvow) gia va avaptyx0ei. Mnpws telika droyv kai ekswgeveis dyvameis poy
> eksypnretoyvtai apo thv krisn sta Balkavia?

Isws va yparxouv ekswgeveis dyvameis.To 0ema omws dev vomizeis pws eivai
emeis ti 0eloume;!Opoiadnpote politikn kivnsn kai av givei(asxeta me to
Makedoviko)pavta yparxouv kapoioi pou exouv ofelos.Dev mporoume etsi
va skeftomaste s'aftn tnv kateu0yvsn.Emeis ti 0eloume apo aftn tnv ypo0esn!


> To pws pnre aytes tis diastaseis ek toy mh ovtos se toso mikro xroviko
 diasthma
> dev ofeiletai sta patriwtika avtavaklastika toy laoy mas. As exoyme tis
> epifylakseis mas gia tov "patriwtismo twv Ellhvwv" snmera. Pavtws moy eiva
> akoma aporias aksio.


   Poly swsta ,as exoume tis epifylakseis mas.Mporei va mnv eivai apo
tov patriwtismo twv Newv Ellnvwv,alla mporei kai va eivai.H mporei
va eivai apo tov patriwtismo poly megalns meridas Ellnvwv,n kai poly mikrns.
Mporei telika va eivai kai apo patriwtismo n oxi.Gia afto mallov
sou eivai(kai omologw oti mou eivai kai emeva)aporias aksio,
giati eivai toso dyskolo va apofasisei kaveis.Dev mporeis para movo va pisteueis
(toulaxistov pros to parov).






> Kai me olo to sebasmo, kamia fora ta polla ma0hmatika stereopoioyv tn skepsn.
> Ksereis, o pragmatikos "polemos" kai h diamorfwsn evos klimatos "apeilns
> polemoy" kai avasfaleias dev eivai asyvdetes. Oi prwtomastores ths psyxwsns
 gia
> to Makedoviko (toys katovomasa paliotera) twra meta tis aksiwseis gia  to
> kleisimo twv syvorwv (Samaras-Papavdreoy), gevikns epistrateysns (Marivos)
> paizoyv to mpegleri twv "stratiwtikwv piesewv"  (Papa0emelns se prosfatn
> syvevteyksh). Poso makria kai poso dyskola eivai va peistei o kosmos "va
> kavoyme vtoy" (poy eipe kai "morfwmevos" veos ths listas) kai va
 "mpoykaroyme".

Kat'arxnv xairomai pou akouw kai evav <<polytexvitn>> va dnlwvei
sebasmo sta ma0nmatika.Afto se tima sav epistnmova(akouta kyrie
Rizouln apo to Ohio,va doume pote 0a baleis myalo!)
 Diafwvw omws sto oti n Logikn stereopoiei tnv skepsn(ase pou dev
polykatalabaivw ti snmaivei afto).Avti0eta se kavei va katalabaiveis
poly kalytera afto pou les kai va mnv sou epitrepei avakribeies
kai logika la0n.Av kai twra mpaivoume se 0emata pou dev
evdiaferouv tnv lista (n kai eseva),n apeiln polemou mporei
va eivai n arxn evos polemou kai ws ek toutou opws swsta egrapses oi
evvoies syvdewvtai.To syvdeovtai omws apexei xiliometra apo
to eivai idies.Yparxouv polla paradeigmata vomizw (apo Papavdreou-Tourkia,HPA
mexri Kavtafi HPA(kai eimai bebaios pws esy 0a ksereis kialla))
Pou oi apeiles eksypnretouv  sto va deiksouv tnv evtasn(kai va tovisouv
tis syvepeies stous ekswgeveis paragovtes,opws egrapses pio pavw) kai oxi
 oti 0a pragmatopoin0ouv. Dev ypostnrizw,kai to ksavatovizw afto,
oti 0a prepei va apeilnsoume ta Skopia. Aplws dev mporw
va avextw va grafei kapoios <<va tous apeilnsoume>>
kai kapoios allos va apavtaei <<otav 0a pas va polemnseis prosexe
mvn sou braxouv ta Timberland>>(n kati tetoio).Paei va pei
oti o defteros dev katalabaivei ti diabazei,n tou eivai dyskolo
va eleksei tous syveirmous tou.
 Oso gia to poso dyskolo eivai va peistouv oi Ellnves va pave se polemo
pisteuw oti eivai eksairetika dyskolo.Prosekse...,pisteuw eipa,dev kserw.
Mpas kai yparxei kai kaveis pou kserei;
(Av bebaia yparksei stigmn( aveksartnta apo to Makedoviko)pou va apeiln0ei
n edafikn akeraiotnta tns Elladas(blepe apla 1940-41)tote dev ti0ete 0ema gia
to av 0a peistouv oi Ellnves,eivai ypoxrewsn tous.Edw omws dev
yparxei tetoio 0ema.)

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