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Seth writes:
>                                        If you're looking for
>insecurity, look no further than those who list their model number at the 
>end of each posted article and that brag about how their cycle is the 
>fastest thing on two wheels.

I don't know much about the second half of your statement...I read rec.mc
fairly regularly except when our news feed is balky, and I don't see people
doing that very often. There is a very reasonable explanation for listing one's
bike( and you have taken issue before with listing one's bike, without adding
the qualifier ). If I have a question about a specific bike and I see it
listed in someone's .sig, I'll send that person a question via email. I've been
checking some out of town papers for certain bikes, and I know, for example,
if I spot a Ducati in the Portland paper, that there is someone there that
I can ask to see if they have checked it out. In return, I can expect a 
question about every month or so about one of my bikes, usually the Vision.
While it might be possible that there is some insecurity involved for some
people in listing their bikes, it is not the simplest explanation why people
would want to say what they ride; for me it is to facilitate the flow of
information.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (The Nashville Flash)
Subject: Re: "Shaft Effect?"
Originator: dab@space3
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:24:08 GMT

>In article <12305@tamsun.tamu.edu>, bnh5940@rigel.tamu.edu (Blaine Hufnagle) writes:
>> Exactly what is "shaft effect" and how can I feel for it?
>
In article <1992Apr13.172608.29409@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Meth Zirin) writes:
>You won't feel the "shaft effect" until you try and sell your cycle.  Its
>a fairly complex phenomenon but I'll try to summarize it for you.
>It is the feeling you get when you try to sell your imported motorcycle
>and you find it is only worth a mere fraction of its original purchase
>price just 1 or 2 years later.  

For once I must agree with Meth.  I must substitute "Japanese" for "imported" 
in his post to be 100% in agreement.  That post a week or so back about
"How I Got My CBRR900RRR And Went To The Rock Store So Everyone There Could 
Oggle Me And My Bike And A Squid On A Bike JUST LIKE MINE Did A Stoppie And 
Stole All My Thunder" made me laugh.  Something who's inherant value lies in 
it's "newness" can ONLY get old.  Now the SAME story about riding a recently 
restored Scott Flying Squirrel or Vincent Gray Flash to the Rock Store would 
have said SOMETHING about the poster more than "I can go to the motorcycle
store and get credit."  A year from now, he'll still owe 3/4 of the purchase
price and the NEW '93 model will make his old '92 worth only 1/2 what he is 
(still) paying... the shaft effect in action.

The glacial changes that occur in marques like Harley Davidson, BMW, Moto 
Guzzi, and Ducati instill an inherant value in the marque itself, not in the 
model ie: THIS YEAR (= new) versus everthing else (= old).  What's a 1978
Ducati, Guzzi, Harley, or BMW  worth in showroom condition (as a fraction of 
original sticker price)?   What's a 1978 Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, or Yamaha 
worth in similar condition?  Do the same test for 1988 models.  When 
"revolutionary" is the status quo, as it is for the "Big 4," anything not 
on the cutting edge is obviously dull.

Please cross-post all followups to wrecked.bicycles.
PS: Here's a few extra RRRRRRRRRRRRRRs in case I spelt the Honda wrong.
Oh yeah.  :-)  And keep swervin, Meth.
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From: rxm8@po.CWRU.Edu (Ron Moritz)
Subject: Re: What do we call Harleys?
Reply-To: rxm8@po.CWRU.Edu (Ron Moritz)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 22:06:54 GMT


In a previous article, space@bwdlh522.bnr.ca (Scott Pace) says:

>
>Japanese bikes are called "rice burners", Italian bikes are called "pasta
>burners", so what do we call American bikes (Harleys)?
>
>Some possibilities:
>
>  - oil burners
>  - burger burners
>  - money burners
>  - wallet burners
>
>Any one else have any suggestions?

How about:

- Quality
- Assembled in America
- Good % of components imported
- Outsell imports
- As nasty as you wanna be

Does that help?

Ron Moritz, DoD #1992
From: rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Rey Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What's a poker run?
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:38:30 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

*>>> Hhmmm, let's see. First you ask 'er out. Then, perhaps after
     dinner you go back to 'er place. Has to be 'er place because you'd
     feel pretty *stoopid* in the morning running from YOUR place.
								    
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From: aggarwal@tigger.jvnc.net (Vikas Aggarwal)
Subject: How are these bikes rated: Suzuki VX800, Vulcan 500, 750 Nighthawk
Summary: Need owner comments for buying one of these bikes
Originator: aggarwal@nisc.jvnc.net
Keywords: Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaki
Organization: JvNCnet
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:14:13 GMT

I was shopping around for a new bike, and the following three bikes seem
nice. Could folks give comments on their experience with these.

I was also wondering how much influence the 'shaft vs. belt vs. chain' drive
fact should affect my buying decision. I wanted a bike for pleasure and nothing
like racaing, etc.

I am about 5 8", 155 lbs.


1) Suzuki VX800: shaft driven

2) Kawasaki Vulcan 500: belt driven. The front fork extensions were very long
	(longer than the Vulcan 750) and a put off for me.

3) Honda 750 Nighthawk: chain driven.

Thanks,,,

 -vikas
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From: pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood)
Subject: Re: Harley 883 owners, I need your opinions!!!
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:20:06 GMT

In article <6503@shodha.enet.dec.com> kenoyer@sfcpmo.enet.dec.com (Greg Kenoyer, Contract Spook) writes:
>
>
>In article <4558@unccvax.uncc.edu>, mpd@unccvax.uncc.edu (Michael Parker Davis)
>>
>>   An '883' would require some slight mods to make me totally happy though.  I
>>
> [Tretise on building a whole 'nother bike deleted]

Now waitamint.  I've been convinced since my visit with the Harley Man
of the Cayman Islands (if you go, *do* see him, he lives about 3 miles 
from the edge of town) that my first bike over 400cc's would be a
Harley.  But now I see this laundry list of mods and a whole bunch of
folks telling him this is a good *start*?!?!?  Harley's don't come
complete from the factory?  Please folks, tell me it ain't so!  If I
wanted to spend more time working on the bike than riding I'd buy a Brit
bike....
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (The Nashville Flash)
Subject: Universal Holding Tool
Summary: Was: Re: VN750A2 repair
Originator: dab@space3
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:53:25 GMT

In [a heavily edited] article, Jeff J McCoskey writes:
>	Recently the alternator on my '86 Vulcan 750 went bad.  According
>to the service manual, two special tools are required to correct this:
>a rotor holder (a spanner wrench affair, sized to the part), 
>Local shops don't know anything
>about these tools.  Are they really necessary for the job?  
>what's a good substitute?  

There is a type of pipe wrench that has a length of what looks almost like 
drive chain attached.  This is a terrific addition to your tool collection.  
Get an old leather belt and wrap it around your alternator and then use 
the chain wrench on it.  This also works for clutch baskets and so forth.
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From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis,LL2-2B,5439,)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Any Interest in DoD Caps?
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:53:35 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

In article <CMM.0.90.2.703270996.arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow) writes:
>
>I was posting to see if there might be any interest in DoD baseball style
>caps.  The same guy who made the shirts makes a high quality, all cloth
>cap with our DoD Logo screened onto it.

Uhh, then I could take two of my DoD patches off the caps to which
they're currently sewn, and do something else with them?  Maybe,
if the caps are _REAL_ reasonably-priced.  Rhonda my first wife made
me do that sewing myself, even though one of the caps is for her; I
don't know where to find her Dritz seam-ripper so I'd probably hafta
bite the stitches out...

Somebody else mentioned belt buckles - now I could go for that.  A
little cream cheese and Harley oil...
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From: jrg@mips.com (John Galloway)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Helmet Reccomendations
Date: 15 Apr 1992 19:30:07 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: moosehead.mips.com

In article <1992Apr15.170710.17383@nas.nasa.gov> ciotti@wk42.nas.nasa.gov (Robert B. Ciotti) writes:
>In article <jachies@fido.asd.sgi.com> spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer) writes:
>[ ..lines deleted suggesting helmet colors...]
>
>I find that a loud muffler is about the best way for the cagers to take note
>of your existance.
It seems like most of the noise is going to be directed backwards at the
people you have passed or are following, who are likely to see you anyway.
Even if this technique worked, you must balance it out against pissing
off everyone within earshot (especially around where you live) and
reinforcing the "those %#!@ motorcyclists" view.  I vote for keeping it quiet.
	-jrg


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From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Greg LeMond on Summer Olympics Team USA?
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:51:57 GMT

Lawrence Domingo writes:
>I understand that the Olympics Committee has lifted the professional
>athlete ban, thereby making professional athletes eligible for qualifying
>for olympics competition.

Actually, the IOC delegated the decision on whether to admit pros to
the 1992 Olympics to the various international sports bodies, but the
International Cycling Union (a.k.a. UCI) decided not to admit pro
cyclists this year.

>So would Greg LeMond be able to race for the USA in the bicycling event?

Probably yes in 1996 if he is still competitive.

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From: ralph@swmerc.rain.com (Ralph Merwin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: O.K., HOW ABOUT DOD MOUSE
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:09:04 GMT
Organization: Merwin Software Services, Inc.

In article <1992Apr16.221540.18258@ncar.ucar.edu> jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan) writes:
>
>What nonsense. Every REALLY old hacker KNOWS that REAL MEN use, real
>MANLY men, men who lost their hearing while slaving over hot ASR-33s,
>the kind of men who say to hell with the operating system (such as it
>was), just move directly to and from the control and status registers
>in the I/O space, the kind of men who see meaning in ASCII throwup.
>
>Those kind of men use TECO.
>
>AND WE LIKED IT!

And it shows :-)

***REALLY*** old hackers know who hand entered the 1k bootloader (on
the front panel switches, in binary), so they could load the 4k loader
from paper tape, so they could load your beloved TECO from disk...

And the creme de la creme of the ***REALLY Old Hackers*** knew the 1k
bootloader by heart, and could also hand edit the paper tape loader to
patch around bad cells in core memory, and could patch programs in-core
to keep some mere user from jumping thru registers...

AND WE LIKED IT!

Ralph
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From: IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Traded My Harley
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:26:25 GMT
 <1992Apr3.195616.17711@tcsi.com> <1992Apr3.204721.22161@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maine System


In article <1992Apr3.204721.22161@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, shz@garage.att.com (Seth
Zirin) says:
>
>Ps: I'm still not sure if the ZX-11 is made by Kawasaki or Suzuki...

That's ok.  Some of us aren't sure if a Harley is a motorcycle or an
underpowered rocking chair. ;)
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: matthews@ajsh.colorado.edu (Alex Matthews)
Subject: Re: ABS FJ1200
Summary: ABS worked for me
Originator: matthews@ajsh
Organization: JILA, University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:17:55 GMT

In article <3400.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
>
> If they exist, I'm still unconvinced ABS is worth much on a
>two-wheeler.  Did you catch the flamefest in BIX'
>technology/transportation topic a few months ago?

I am alive and well today because someone bought a K100RS with ABS.
That bobblehead was fixating on a Ponderosa pine 700 feet above his
head and ran off the road at about 40 mph.  By the time he felt like
looking down again he was in an inch of coarse pea gravel, headed 
straight for me.  Being the quick-thinking type he mashed on the
brakes and glided to a clean stop 10 feet from me.  Obviously overcome
with awe at the technical prowess of his bike he gunned the engine,
dropped the clutch, and nearly spun out.  ABS, TCS -- all those acronyms
sound alike.  How's he s'posed to remember what the dealer told him?

(I could describe the avoidance maneuvers *I* attempted but the
details of struggling into clipless pedals in roadside gravel would 
just bore you)

-- 
-Alex Matthews (matthews@ajsh.colorado.edu)
DoD #0010   
"Every particle continues in its state of rest or uniform motion in a 
straight line except insofar as it doesn't."  -- Sir Arthur Eddington
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RE: CX500..WHAT THE HELL
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:16:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> In lower rev'ing engines like V-twins and boxers I don't see anything
-> wrong with pushrods.  For very high rev'ing engines even very light
-> pushrods would seem to be more of a limiting factor than valves, no?

 Considering the CX500's pushrods were over a foot long and the engine
redlined at (depending on the year) 11,500 or 9,500 RPM, Honda evidently
doesn't have any problem.
From: andersen@che.udel.edu (From the jumbled mind of Steve Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HD Rear Footrest Hex Bolts
Date: 17 Apr 92 21:18:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: che.17APR199216185157
Organization: University of Delaware/Department of Chemical Engineering
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr17.164836.3965@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, shz@garage.att.com (Seth Zirin) writes...
>In article <1992Apr17.141957.28968@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, shz@garage.att.com (Seth Zirin) writes:
> 
>> The hex bolts
>> that attach the rear footrests to the frame are *very* difficult to remove.
>Slipping a pipe or wrench over a shallow hex key won't work because there
>isn't enough clearance to get more than about 10 degrees of rotation.
> 
>Seth

Ten degrees of rotation is not much, but 
it may be enough to break the bolt loose
so you can then unscrew it with just the 
wrench.  Or it may allow you to get enough
torque to break the hex key or bolt :-)

Steve
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From: sasmjw@laverda.unx.sas.com (Martyn J. Wheeler)
Subject: Rec.moto.cute
    <1992Apr10.180527.6522@cerritos.edu>
Reply-To: sasmjw@unx.sas.com
Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Cary NC
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:56:13 GMT
Originator: sasmjw@laverda.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 894

In article <1992Apr10.180527.6522@cerritos.edu>, tanner@cerritos.edu writes:
>I have one of a Sportster with a cute denizen on it.  Does that count?

I think she looks cuter in POSERS.GIF ... but she has to compete
directly with elef there, and that's a hard choice.

Seriousness aside, are we offending you, Diana?  I sincerely hope not.

A great many thanks to Bruce for the rec.moto.photo.archive, BTW!

Ob. un-sexist comment: I think Bill Dorsey is kinda cute too! :=)

Ob. sexist comment: ..and how about that yduJ?  and Amy Swint?  and
Mary Shafer? and Janett Levenson?  and Ilama? and... :-)

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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Bike for 1st time rider: Honda 126/Harley XL 175?
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:54:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.152020.20121@cs.wayne.edu> pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood) writes:
>Last weekend my younger sister and I were at a swap meet looking at 
>getting her a first cycle.  She needs it for tooling around the small
>town she lives in where she attends college.  My first cycle was a
>74 Honda 125.  She's kinda lukewarm to it, but she saw this 74
>AMF-Harley 175 dirtbike that she really liked.  It's a two-stroke
>bike that Harley supposedly built in Italy back in the 70's.  Anyway, 

Actually, I think Bimota built them for Harley....

According to a couple of guys I know, one of whom has a Bimota Harley
and 7 parts bikes to keep it running, the Italian Harleys are fine
as long as you never need to buy parts for them.

Honda, on the other hand, often boasts that you can purchase, though
sometimes on special order, any part for any Honda motorcycle ever built.

For a first bike, the Honda would probably be less of a hassle.
It's also street legal - was the Harley dirtbike?  You can probably find
plenty of Honda 250's and 350's in that era for pretty cheap as well.

Finally, if the bike will sit outside (assuming she rides to classes),
an old Honda is less likely to get stolen than anything wearing
the name "Harley-Davidson"....
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: What do we call Harleys?
Keywords: my 2bits
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:02:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.014117.21470@serval.net.wsu.edu> bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>
>simple, you call Harley's "motorsickles"

Ah, yes.  The Grim Reaper enters the Industrial Age.


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From: rgarg@tellab3.tellabs.com
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Subject: FREE MAGAZINE OFFER FROM A NY COMPANY.
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:36:33 GMT
Organization: Tell
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