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From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: Bigots and Bigotry has no place on Arab Land.!!!
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:34:52 GMT

In article <3826@keele.keele.ac.uk>, phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber) writes:
|> Path: titan!trlluna!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!uunet!mcsun!uknet!keele!phd21
|> From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
|> Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
|> Subject: Re: Bigots and Bigotry has no place on Arab Land.!!!
|> Message-ID: <3826@keele.keele.ac.uk>
|> Date: 18 Aug 92 12:52:18 GMT
|> Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
|> Organization: University of Keele, England
|> Lines: 53
|> 
 
|> 	Those who are opposed to Arabic do it from the Option of hate
|> 	and only hate for Arabic and the Arabs. All this anti-Arabist
|> 	voices are coming from people who do not belong to the Arabic
|> 	culture and way of life. If they like to opt out of our life we
|> 	have no objection. They can go away and form their religion.
|> 
|> 	The haters of Arabism are bigoted people because they are
|> 	opposed to the idea of giving equality to non-Muslim Arabs i.e
|> 	Arab Christians. We the Muslim Arabs are determined to have
|> 	Equality with our fellow Arab Christians what ever the porice
|> 	is. We the Muslim Arabs are not going to be like the Serbs or
|> 	the Spanish or the Germans.
|> 
|> 	People like this Bigot MG at Cardiff is spreading hate against 
|> 	Arabs and Sunni Muslims and then attacks Arab Christians, I
|> 	tell you this Guy and his likes has no place among us period.
|> 
|> 
|> A Jaber

I will embrace you as my brother and comrad to glorify the Arabic culture which by the
way I am proud off. However, you should firstly eliminate the prejudice in all muslim
countries that have christians and other minorities to be given equal rights under a
constitution that will allow them to be something, such as president, minister etc.
Secondly, you should convince the Saudis' to allow the christians and all other
minorities the right to worship in Saudi Arabia. Thirdly eliminate the common words
given to christians and others such as Infidal (Kaffer) and Dirty (Nijesce).

A.Faris
From: souissi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Bosnian Muslims
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:13:02 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <l8jartINN4uv@spim.mips.com> reddy@mips.com (T.S. Reddy) writes:

>     No, this is quite unnnatural. If you wish to seek compassion for 
>yourself, you should be able to give an equal amount to others regardless 
>of your ethnic or religous background. Otherwise, all your sympathy amounts
>to little more than crocodile tears. 

So do you feel the same when an Israeli gets stabbed or when a
Palestinian gets shot ?

>T.S.Reddy (e-mail: reddy@mips.com)

Ridha.
From: bijoor@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Help: Pop. of Saudi Arabia, anyone know ?
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:43:38 GMT


Anyone know the approx. population of Saudi Arabians in Saudi Arabia?
(I mean excluding non-Arab workers etc.)
I am writing a paper on the genetic make-up of Saudi Arabians and missed this
piece of info. Since there is no newsgroup for Saudi Arabia, I thought about
posting my question here. Please reply as soon as possible via e-mail.

                My address:
                           BIJOOR@ECS.UMASS.EDU.

                Thanx, appreciate it. -- Arjun.
From: cavus@CAE.WISC.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: 'ICAZ-I QUR'AN. PART 8.
Date: 15 Aug 92 21:02:21 GMT

Esselamu Aleykum.

ON THE INTERPRETATION  OF  THE  QUR'AN.  PART  8.

This TWENTY  NINTH  LETTER  consists of nine parts.  This is the
first part containing nine remarks.

In the Name of Allah the Merciful the Compassionate  "The seven
Heavens and the Earth, as well as whoever is in them, glorify
Him." [Al Qur'an 17:44]

Eighth Remark:  We should first mention a truthful rule about this matter. 
There are two rights (huquq): personal rights and general rights.  The latter
is called 'Allah's huquq' (Huququllah).  Hence, some of the matters of the
Sharia are related to individuals, and some of them concerns the whole Muslim
Umma, and thus are called the Islamic signs (shiar).  Since these Shiar have
connection with all the Muslims, all the past and future Muslim Umma has a
share in them.  Therefore, without the consent of the whole past and future
Umma, changing them would be a blatant assault to those general rights.  The
smallest matter of Shiar, even if it is at the degree of sunnah (i.e., not 
farz), is extremely important.  As they are all directly related to the Islamic
world, they are the chains which link the majority of Muslims since the time of
Prophet (Asr-i Saadet) till the end of the world.  Those who help to break,
destroy, and distort that lightful chain must consider that they are making a
very bad mistake.  If they have a least amount of consciousness, they should
tremble before they do anything!

will continue in$aallah

C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C* 
These translations are from the Risale-i Nur Collection of Bediuzzaman Siad
Nursi (RA) which consists of a total of 134 books in Turkish and few in Arabic.
Tranlators are a group of  students at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and
Case Western Reserve  University-Cleveland.  All correspondence should be
directed to the e-mail address appering in this posting.  We are posting these
translations part by part but if anyone is interested we can send the whole
topic to personal e-mail addresses.  These topics have also appeared in the
weekly letter "Droplet  -  From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an"
published and distributed in the Islamic Centers of Madison-WI and Cleveland-OH
after every Friday-Prayer.  Thank you.  The Talabat-un Noor.
C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    C*    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein)
Subject: Kuwaiti abbreviation? 
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:27:36 GMT


I hope readers of this newsgroup can answer this question.


Some businesses in Kuwait use the abbreviation "S.A.K." in their names.
For example:   Willco Kuwait S.A.K.
	       Commercial Bank of Kuwait, S.A.K.


What does this abbreviation stand for?  Please don't guess -- I need
a definite answer.  Thank you very much for your help.

Tim Klein  (timk@meaddata.com)
From: parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Parimal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Oneway ticket to Austin/Houston from NJ for sale, 25 or 31 Aug
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:42:09 GMT
Reply-To: parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Parimal)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: parimal@dewey.cc.utexas.edu

I have two oneway  airtickets for sale from Newark, NJ to Austin, TX.

Tickets are on Continental Airlines for 25th & 31st of August, changeable at

$25. If you don't have luggage to check-in, these could be used for one

way travel to Houston also. Asking $75 each or best offer.

Call (512) 476-7134. E-mail : parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 

			      parimal@alpha.iat.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen)
Subject: New gifs, sounds and utilities on liasun3.epfl.ch
Reply-To: borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen)
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:43:31 GMT

New gifs, sounds and utilities on liasun3.epfl.ch

Recent additions to the cultural repository of material 
from Lebanon and the Middle East at liasun3.epfl.ch:

In directory /users/choueiry/umKoulthoum/aqbal:
 Text (as GIF) and soundbytes of Um Kalthoum's "aqbal al leil".
 
In directory /users/choueiry/bin/IBM
 Various sound utilities for the IBM PC
 
In directory   /users/choueiry/bin/Unix:
  Various sound utilities for Unix
   
In directory    /users/choueiry/bin/Mac: 
 Various sound utilities for the Apple Macintosh
 
Enjoy the sounds and sights! 

- Barre Ludvigsen <borrel@dhhalden.no
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This area of the liasun3.epfl.ch anonymous ftp server contains several
README files. Guests are strongly requested to read ALL README files
before retrieving anything else. At present the files are:

	README.msg ; general information
	README.etq ; pointers for guests
	README.ftp ; pointers on hassel-free file transfer
	README.gif ; pointers on displaying graphics
	README.snd ; pointers on playing soundbytes
	README.uu  ; pointers on ASCII encoded files

Disclaimer: The owners of this anonymous ftp files server take no
responsibility for the contents of files residing on this machine or the
consequences of their use.

Purpose: The maintenance of the /users/choueiry directory of the
liasun3.epfl.ch server is entirely a voluntary and experimental effort.
It has been established as a repository of cultural material in the form
of text, graphics and sounds pertaining to Lebanon and the Middle East
and has no political, religious, sectarian or ethnic affiliations.

Support: Apart from these README files, NO support on the use of this
ftp server is given by anyone at epfl. Please do not direct mail in
search of user support to epfl staff. If you need help from a human, a
good point to start would be with your own system operator, your
internet node operator. Help is also freely available in Usenet FAQs.
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From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Kissinger, Ajami, and Rather display Anti-Arab Bigotry at Israeli Benefit
Keywords: racism, CBS, New Republic, U.S. News and World Report
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:50:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bt7H07.MKo.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Aug18.171142.695@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.195626.16284@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna) writes:
>
>>	Why didn't Rather object to Kissinger's assertion that "you can't
>>really believe anything an Arab says"? Perhaps the explanation has to do
>>with the attitudes that prevail at his workplace. To watch the CBS Evening
>>News is to see the Middle East through the eyes of Israel.  And in the
>>world view, Palestinian people look very small and far away.
>
>Watch it guys.  This is begining to sound like "the Jews control the
>media."  It would be pretty sad to see a piece decrying racism decend
>into anti-Semitism...
>

Certainly we need to be careful but its hard sometimes...like the time
the chairman of CBS called Mike Wallace a "self-hating Jew" for his piece
on the massacre at the Dome of the Rock.

I want to be careful that I am not perceived as perpetuating this notion that
"Jews control the media", however, it is clear that there is a certain amount
of difficulty in presenting reports critical of Israel without being branded an
"antisemite" or "self-hating Jew"; certainly more difficulty than even in 
Israel!

>
>>	And perhaps the new media of this country will tell Henry
>>Kissinger that he owes Arab people an apology.
>
>Only if we get to see a full transcript of the evening, to see what it
>was Kissinger actually said.  I won't damn anyone on partial evidence
>in a newspaper column.

I second this request.

>
>Adam
>
>
>
>Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu
>
>What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
>at all.  How true that is.      


-- 
Anwar Mohammed                           Graduate Student
anwar+@cs.cmu.edu  (NeXTmail welcome)    School of Computer Science
Voice: +1 412 268 3043                   Carnegie-Mellon University
Fax:   +1 412 681 5739                   Pittsburgh, PA  15213-3890
From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: How can we help Boznia.
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:55:58 GMT

In article <5cpP03of615R00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
>>Why would the USA not support democracy in countries that
>>do produce oil?
>
>  Well, kinda off the subject of economics here, but a few things to
>point out between these two wars-
>
>  1) Serbia did not take any U.S. citizens hostages
I didn't know that Iraq did either.  Are you perhaps confusing it with Iran?
>
>  2) The Balkan countries are involved in a civil war more or less-
>     kind of like Hussein trying to purge the Kurds from his country.
>     Notice that the U.S. did nothing to stop this before in Iraq- it
>     was the invasion of a soverign neighboring country that forced the
>     U.S. to take action.  Judging from the past U.S. actions, it is
>     unlikely that the U.S. will involve itself in a military conflict
>     over what the current administation preceives as a civil war.

The State Department currently recgonizes Bosnia as an independent
country and has moved to establish displomatic relations with it.
So it is officially not a civil war.  Remember also that Sadam
claimed that Kuwait was part of Iraq, so using your logic that
would be a civil war also.  If Bosnai had immense oil
fields, I would wager everything I own that we would be over their
right now trying to liberate them. It is extrememely sad when human
suffering is justified for many reasons when there is no material or 
monetary gain to end it.
>
>  4) If anyone should be leading an effort to stop the war between the
>     Balkan countries, it should be Europe (the EC council or whatever), not 
>     the U.S. (MHO of course)
Yes, and if Europe declines, we will just watch the slaughter.  Sounds like
this is approaching the same situation that happened 50 years ago with the
same arguments.
>
> 
>   Doug



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: DEFEAT ISRAEL, CAN WE OR CAN WE NOT?
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 14:07:26 GMT

In article <9323.9208101131@thor.cf.ac.uk> scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G") writes:
>A QUESTION : CAN WE DEFEAT ISRAEL ?
>
>ANSWER : NO NEVER, AS LONG AS THE PALESTINIANS ARE BUSY KILLING
>         
>         THE MUSLIMS IN IRAQ, MAKING TROUBLES EVERYWHERE
>        
>         JORDAN, LEBANON, KUWAIT AND IRAQ AND AS LONG AS
>         
>         THEY LIVE ON THE BLOOD AND SUFERING OF THE IRAQI PEOPLE
>         
>         WHERE THEY KILLED THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS DURING THE UPRISING.
>                           
>         [I THINK THE PALESTINIANS WHO LIVE IN IRAQ WANT TO DEFEAT
>     
>         ISRAEL THROUGH  KILLING THE IRAQI AND OTHER MUSLIMS
>
>         A VERY CLEAVER PLAN, THEN THEY GO TO SYRIA KILLING ALL THE 
>      
>         SYRIANS FROM THEIR THEY SHOULD GO LEBANON TO REPEAT WHAT
>  
>         THEY HAVE DONE THEIR THEN FROM LEBANON THEY GO TO 
>
>         TO ISRAEL TO THROW THEM TO THE SHARKS.
>
>         (may this will happen it is a good tarining for them
>          kill all the muslims and as many as you can to defaet
>          ISRAEL.)
>
>  


Why don't you say your full name you stupid coward. Go find you a
girl friend instead of pouring all your hatred on the Palestinians.
It is not our problem that you could not rid of Saddam Hussein.

By the way, the Palestinians don't want to defeat Israel, we want
to make Peace with Israel. Enough lies from your arab leaders who 
promised that they will liberate Palestine. They are good for nothing
more than stuffing their bellies with rice and meat.
-- 
Nabil Idriss                           |       FOR EVERY ACTION AN OPPOSITE  
NCR - Midrange Products Division       |       AND EQUAL REACTION.
      Columbia, South Carolina         |      
email: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM |
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From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.pakistan,misc.invest,sci.econ
Subject: Re: How can we help Boznia.
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:40:09 GMT
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Originator: stgprao@xing

In article <Bt53Ft.91G@news.cso.uiuc.edu> acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng) writes:
>
>In article <l8vksfINN18u@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>, hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>>1: The "only" major raw material whose "price" have NOT increased since
>>   the early 70's is Oil. In fact, in real terms, oil's prices have
>>   actually decreased.
>
>**sacarstic mode on**
>So are gold, corn, computers, TV-sets.  Those evil westerners really
>know how to control everything.
>
>The oil price was $5.00 a barrell in the early '70's.  The oil
>embargo ('76?) jecked it up to $30.00.  Then the evil Brits found
>North Sea oil, the no-good Mexican found oil and started exporting
>them.  Worse yet, everyone in the world ganged up to reduce oil
>import and created the oil glut.  Oil price now is somewhere $15.00
>to $20.00.  No, 300-400% increase is not good enough.  *sigh**

But the consumer price index has gone up about a factor of five since that
period, so the real price of oil has declined.  Back in 1970 I could buy
a loaf of bread for $.25, a soft dricnk for $.10, and ice cream cone for $.25
and a gallon of gas for $.40.
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Arabic Music
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:19:47 GMT

In article <38361@imag.imag.fr> oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:
>chrisw@sco.COM (Christopher J. Wood) writes:
>:
>:
>: Hi,
>:
>: I'm looking for some recommendations regarding
>: Arabic (Middle Eastern) music.
>:
>: I'm actually thinking of adapting this music
>: for the guitar, and was wondering what the
>: better known pieces of music are...
>
>  Arabic music for the guitar ?. I'have some experience (i used to play
>  Arabic music on a guitar ). It's not something "new", guitar has been
>  introduced to Arabic music during the early 70's.
>  the guitar's nature itself.  Guitar can hardly be compatible with Arabic
>  music, for several reasons:
>
>     * It lakes the ability to produce the 1/4 tone, which distinguishs Arabic
>     music from "Western" music.
>     * The nature of the voice produced is rather odd for our (Arabs) ear, it's
>     not enough "tendre" for us. Actually the electrical guitar is used in most
>     of the Arabic musical groups, but it rarely performs alone (solo), in most
>     of the cases it'll just play accords.
>:
>: Thanks!
>
> Welcome, it's been a long time that we didn't speak "culture" in this group.
> (BTW, if you have ANY questions, don't hesitate a second).
>:
>       What about fretless instruments?  A fretless guitar like a violin
	can produce just about any pitch you want.  Are instruments like
	the oud and the buzuq fretted at the quarter-tone or are they
	fretless?


	Alec Chambers
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From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Iran and Egypt to send arms to Muslim Slavs
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:01:54 GMT


The article was obviously untrue:  There is no "Ayatollah.......Firoozi" in Iran.

However, here is very recent news that is REAL:

Ayatollah Jannati, who was dispatched by Ayatollah Khamenei (Iran's leader) to 
observe and analyze the situation in Bosnia, just returned from the region.
His recommendation is that Iran must provide the Bosnians with arms to defend
themselves.  He also called for a formation of an army by various Muslim countries
to help Bosnia.  I don't like the 2nd suggestion because it implies that Iran 
must wait until other countries bother to cooperate on this matter.  There's
no guarantee that all the rival Muslim countries can unite on this matter in an
efficient way.     I hope these recommendations won't remain at the level of
recommendations.

In another devolopment, President Rafsanjani promissed to a Bosnian official in 
Tehran that Iran would provide Bosnia with fuel.  Other humanitarian aid has
been sent to Bosnia since a few months ago.

Behnam Sadeghi

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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.pakistan,misc.invest,sci.econ
Subject: Re: How can we help Boznia.
Date: 17 Aug 1992 13:52:55 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <Bt53Ft.91G@news.cso.uiuc.edu> acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng) writes:
>
>In article <l8vksfINN18u@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>, hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>>1: The "only" major raw material whose "price" have NOT increased since
>>   the early 70's is Oil. In fact, in real terms, oil's prices have
>>   actually decreased.
>

>So are gold, corn, computers, TV-sets.  Those evil westerners really
>know how to control everything.

Gold is NOT a "major" raw material on which economies depend 
__ except as an ornament or probably when it was used to make coins 
which will  be quite some time. TV sets and computers are also not 
"raw" materials.
>
>The oil price was $5.00 a barrell in the early '70's.  The oil
>embargo ('76?) jecked it up to $30.00. 

Well, today after 16 years the price has decreased from $30.
Even though various economies depend on it and it has been a
major lever, the producers have not been able to get the
market price. Who supports the people in OPEC cartel?
Why was Shah Faisal killed if not for realizing the oil as
a weapon.

In USA the price of oil as fuel is 3 times less than 
Britain or Germany. Why did the coalition got together
against Iraq and not agains Serbs?

Why would the USA not support democracy in countries that
do produce oil?