HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Freeze dried food??  What else?
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 22:25:29 EDT(-0400)
Organization: Accuracy, Ltd.
Reply-To: ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v0

bonn@networx.com (David Bonn) writes:
> How long do foods keep? 
> 
> 	Oranges			-- Four or Five days
> 	Limes			-- Five days

I wonder what's going wrong with your limes.  Citrus, especially lemons and
limes, should keep for weeks, though an occasional piece will rot.  Limes
were once used to prevent scurvy on shipboard because they keep so well.

Edward Reid  (8*}>
  eel:   ed@titipu.resun.com  or  nosc.mil!titipu.resun.com!ed
  snail: PO Box 378/Greensboro FL 32330
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis)
Subject: Re: Encountering contraband in the backcountry
Organization: University of Virginia Health Sciences Center
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:50:43 GMT

In article <1aj76hINNp3o@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson) writes:

}So, has anybody on this network ever had such an encounter?  

I have.  Deadfall type traps in Hawaii (I'm not specifing the island,
just the state).  In another state, I have also been encouraged to
sample some moonshine at gunpoint while checking out some "hollers"
for caves.  Don't think you're exempt just because you're in the
woods.  On the whole I think nature provides vastly more reasons to
stay alert than do humans.  (btw, for those who are wondering, the
moonshine was pretty good and, while tempted, I did not disturb
the crop in Hawaii.)

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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: rola@quads.uchicago.edu (roland  winston)
Subject: Allegheny National Forest
Summary: Request For Information on Camping and Hiking
Keywords: camping hiking trails
Reply-To: rola@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:02:18 GMT

Some friends and I are going camping and hiking in the Allegheny National
Forest but we lack detailed maps and information on camp sites and trails.
We are sick of the relocated suburbanites and their recreational vehicles which
dominate the campgrounds within five hours of Chicago and are looking for
some good backwoods camping and hiking over a four day span.

Trouble is, we leave Wednesday morning, so I would really appreciate any 
specific information about the Allegheny National Park that you experienced
campers who've been there could pass along.  Either email or post is fine.

Thanks.


Joe Winston (fac brat)
(rola@quads.uchicago.edu)
From: guy@slustl.slu.edu (Guy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Tree spiking (Was Re: Monkeywrenching)
Keywords: Stop the Orygun Chainsaw Massacre, etc, etc.
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:45:41 GMT
Organization: Saint Louis University  Saint Louis, MO

In article <43214@ogicse.ogi.edu> jhurst@amb4.ccalmr.ogi.edu (James Hurst) writes:
>>Guy Smith writes:
>>>wayne trzyna writes:
>
>>>Clearcutting is more economical because they huge equipment can be
>>>rolled into the clear cut areas.  Note that because such equipement
>>>could not be used with selective cutting, more human labor would
>
>>It is also much more difficult and expensive to do selective cutting
>>on steep slopes (>20%or so). 
>
>I've seen some very nice selective cuts on steep slopes, like 45 degrees.
>I think your statement is a convenient myth, propagated, like many convenient
>myths, by those it benefits.
>
>>Cats and rubber tired skidders aren't
>>effective 
>
>Take your myths about clearcutting to someplace they'll believe them.  
>Not here.  Or try backing them up, I love that.
>
>					Cheers,
>
>					Jim
Actually, I'd agree with your general views on clearcuts. After several
years of working in the woods (surveying, not logging) I've seen how
destructive they can be. Many of the "reforested" cut blocks I saw were
mainly growing crops of blackberries and manzanita (Klamath Mountains).
As far as my statements, they are not myths. Selective cutting on steep
slopes is more expensive for a variety of reasons. I wasn't trying to
justify clearcutting, just amplify the previous comments on why the industry
prefers clearcuts, based on real experience in the woods. BTW, I suggest
you borrow a clinometer and find out just how steep forty five degrees
really is (thats 100%). For comparison, the slope of the fill bank on the
downhill side of a road is commonly around 67% (the angle of repose).
And maybe be a bit less quick to use the flamethrower.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: AS.MSW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marc Whitney)
Subject: Re: National parks to be opened to strip mining
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:23:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.200220.11454@colorado.edu>,
cas@bjerknes.colorado.edu (Cathy Smith) writes:
>
>A major difficulty in all this is determining what exactly is just
>compensation.  A common practice of some who have inholdings is
>to threaten to develop the land and then ask for far more money than
>the land would be worth if it were outside of a park or wilderness.
>This is often done even if they have no intention of developing the
>land or if profits from "development" would be small or nonexistent.
>In effect, the land has "gained" in value due to the surrounding land
>being government owned.
In the specific case we are talking not about "development" so much
as mineral rights.  There are (I think) fairly reasonable ways to
evaluate the value since the market price for mineral rights outside
protected lands should be determinable.  This is not to say it won't
be costly or end up in court.

>
>(In fact, if the "taking" clause in the Constitution
>is to be liberally interpreted by the current Court, than perhaps
>there should be a "giving" clause whereby people who gain from
>government actions should have to give the extra money back.)

However, there isn't a "giving" clause and if there was one added by
a new ammendment it probably wouldn't apply to pre-existing
situations.  Particularly in the case of older parks it would kinda
tricky to argue that the holders of the mineral rights "benefited"
because the govt prevented acess for decades.  The high cost of
settlement now is the result mostly of inflation and depletion of
other sources.  BTW, not all mineral deposits are good investments,
ask anyone who bought shares in a uranium mine 25 years ago -- its
next to worthless now!  The real lesson in this to avoid short cuts
in future preservation efforts.  The govt thought it could get a
"free lunch" by ignoring the holders of mineral rights.  The trouble
with this is that times and political circumstances change.

I've had to deal with the federal burocracy for a nuber of years and
I've decided that worring about "fairness" is a waste of time.  If
you have a goal that is important to you -- cross all the "t's", dot
all the "i's", and never, never cut corners.
From: eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Animals (summary)
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:32:27 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

SO far we have readers who would be:
Flyers:
	Cliff swallow
	Buzzard
	2 Eagles
	Mallard duck
	Turkey Vulture
	Great Horned Owl
	Spotted Owl
	Snowy Owl
	Red tailed hawk
	Fulvous Whistling-Duck
	Raven
	Peregrine Falcon
	Bat

NA ground species
	Yellow bellied marmot
	Moose
	Jack Rabbit
	Bunny rabbit
	Bighorn sheep
	Mountain Goat
	2 Otter (maybe 1 river)
	Mule (female)
	Donkey
	Sloth
	Raccoon
	Poodle
	2 Lynx (1 Canadian)
	cougar or panther (black, of course)
	2 coyotes
	Grizzly Bear
	Black bear
	Wolverine
	4 Wolves (1 Timber)

Ocean species
	Sperm Whale
	2 Dolphin
	Manta Ray
	Man-O-War (Jellyfish)

African/Asian species
	2 Elephant (1 - African)
	Lion
	Oryx
	2 Tiger (1- white)
	Snow Leopard

Plants:
	Lichen
	Western Red Cedar

Amoeba:
	Giardia lamblia

Reptiles
	Tuatara lizard
	Galapagos tortoise

Amph:
	Salamander

How should I characterize these?  (actually I should look up the first)
	Ring Tailed Lemur
	T. Rex
	Yeti (Aliens too a bit too ficticous)

Well, not that I object, but trying to be realistic.
I was wonder who and when one would chose Giardia [I had email with
Watson about a Disney cartoon where Merlin and a witch were trying
to become increasingly powerful and larger animals, then Merlin became
a disease.]

BTW: I am not keeping a concordance between your login names and
the above.  That's not Kosher in my opinion for security reasons.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Animals (summary)
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 01:37:09 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Sep25.224711.19554@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

I have enjoyed this thread and Eugene is doing a wonderful job of summarising 
but a couple of nit picks and a couple of questions with the classification.

>SO far we have readers who would be:
>Birds:
>	Bat   - is a mammal - and a very succesful one at that - the birds
		may well be replaced by these come the next mass extinction.
>
>NA ground species  

If NA stands for North America some of the following have wider ranges.

>	Bunny rabbit - where these introduced to North America or indiginous?
>	Oryx         - This is African/Middle eastern (a most elegant beast)
>	Poodle       - French hunting dog.

>Amph:
>	Tuatara lizard  - Is a reptile - albeit a very primitive one.


-- 
Derek Tearne. -- derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz --  Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand -- 
Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Wayne's world: Campground safety
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:26:04 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <Sep28.211041.61950@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
 
|I think you'll agree this is not really back-country.  If I was a woman,
|I wouldn't go to Yosemite alone without sherman tank.  But what do I know?
|I've never been there.

The fact that you've managed to use the words Yosemite and alone in the
same sentence pretty much validates the fact that you've never been there.
>-- 
>
>-Wayne Trzyna
> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU


-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
+==========================================================================+
From: swatko@airbag.enet.dec.com (Mike Swatko)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Ultrex Waterproof/Breathable Fabric
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:26:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd.1992Oct5.192654.2979
Reply-To: swatko@airbag.enet.dec.com (Mike Swatko)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua, NH

--
In article <92275.222701AGJDS@ASUACAD.BITNET>, Jackie Sieppert <AGJDS@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>Hi Folks.  I'm new to this group and I've got a quick question for your
>accumulated knowledge.  I know that Goretex is unquestionably the best
>waterproof/breathable around, but I've recently come across gear that
>uses a fiber called "Ultrex".  It promises much the same thing as
>Goretex.  Anybody heard of this stuff?  Is it any good?  Thanks for any
>input.

I recently put a lot of effort into designing and building a custom
bivy sack for myself.  I made the top part out of Ultrex which I ordered
through Outdoor Wilderness Fabrics(*).  The bottom was a waterproof 
non-breathable material.  I was quite proud of it.  The first time I used
it was a cool, clear, dry night on a backpacking trip.  Several hours after
climbing in and going to sleep (with my head outside the bag), I awoke
feeling as if I was in a hot tropical rainforest.  I reached between the
sleeping bag and the bivy and found that it was soaked with moisture.
So much for breathability.  I give Ultrex a big thumbs-down.

So in trying to save some money using Ultrex instead of Gore-tex, I 
wound up feeling like I wasted al lot of time and money for this project.
On the up side, I learned how nice it is to sleep under the stars
in a sleeping bag without a tent or a bivy.  I still bring the bivy in case
it rains, in which case I'll get to jump in and finally get to test its
waterproof-ness.
--------------------------------

(*)Outdoor Wilderness Fabrics
   2511 Latah Drive
   Nampa, ID  83651
   (208)466-1602

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From: pete@aix1.uottawa.ca (Peter Hickey)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Animals (summary)
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:35:10 GMT
Organization: Computing & Comm. Services, University of Ottawa

In article <1992Sep27.013709.4821@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
>
>>Amph:
>>	Tuatara lizard  - Is a reptile - albeit a very primitive one.

Its not a lizard either, is it.  Isn't it in its own order in the reptiles?
IE, not a snake, turtle, aligator or lizard?

-- 
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Communication Services    |   or (if desperate)     |  vegatables, then what
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Ottawa,Ont. Canada K1N 6N5|  (613) 564-7646         |  eat?"
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 22:27:01 MST
From: Jackie Sieppert <AGJDS@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Ultrex Waterproof/Breathable Fabric

Hi Folks.  I'm new to this group and I've got a quick question for your
accumulated knowledge.  I know that Goretex is unquestionably the best
waterproof/breathable around, but I've recently come across gear that
uses a fiber called "Ultrex".  It promises much the same thing as
Goretex.  Anybody heard of this stuff?  Is it any good?  Thanks for any
input.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale)
Subject: Randonee gear for sale
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:12:12 GMT


Alpine Touring /Randonee Ski Gear for Sale:
-Hagan Alpina skis, 180 cm, in good condition
-Silvretta bindings
-Dynafit Tourlite boots,  extremely light  (size 11-11.5)
-Coll-Tex mohair skins, the best
	Cost $700 new (on sale & with package prices)  asking $425
	If interested,  reply via e-mail or call Dave @ 206-528-5765 (Seattle)
From: andrew.dunn@f804.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Andrew Dunn)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
Subject: VHF RECEIVER WANTED
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:27:46 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

WANTED - VHF Scanning Receiver suitable for weather sattellite reception
For example Yaesu FRG 9600, AoR AR-1000/AR-1500.
Phone Andrew on 08 295 6708.

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
From: johnr@mik.uky.edu (john s roberts)
Subject: I want to buy a 2m house antenna
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:03:31 GMT

I am just getting into HAM radio.  Passed my tech exam and am waiting for
the license to arrive.  I have purchased a Kenwood TH78 and would like to
get an antenna to put on the house.  I have heard of cushcraft and a few
other brands but have no idea how to go about finding the best one, if there
even is.  I would really appreciate it if someone could explain or tell
me where to learn about what the differences in antennas are.  I would
be happy to pay for a very good (140/400MHz) dual band antenna.  


Thanks, I really appreciate your assistance.

John
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From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
Subject: Re: Need price for a TS-930S, SM-220
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:44:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

Herb Sims writes:
> I am thinking of selling my TS-930S radio along with the SM-220 station 
> monitor
> [some dealers feel that] $1700 for both is a good asking price.
> Any comments?

Well, since you asked... I see cherry 930Ss at the local ham store
for $995 all the time.  The -220 usually goes for $200-$300
depending on condition, etc.  The mod is nice, but it's not that big
a deal to do.  Problem is, at $1700, you're very, very close to the
price of a new Yaesu FT-990.  Yes, you've got the pan/monitor, 
but the new rig is a full generation (maybe two) newer, and would
have a warranty, etc.  For myself, I think I'd pop for $1900 for
the new Yaesu before I'd go $1700 for the used setup, the monitor
notwithstanding.  I think maybe $1300 would be a much better
price for what you've got.  Remember, the dealers who quoted you
a price were probably thinking dealer prices, (i.e., what *they*
would sell it for), which are usually about 20% higher than prices
on personal deals.  I know this isn't what you wanted to hear, and
it's just one ham's opinion, but you *did* ask :-)

What do others think?
Cheers & 73...

Mike, N4PDY

************************
* These are my opinions only.*
************************
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
From: olsenm@ucs.orst.edu
Subject: Re: YAESU FT-470 FOR SALE-$350 OBO
Reply-To: olsenm@ccmail.orst.edu
Organization: TheNews 
Distribution: net
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:29:57 GMT

Jeff, 
What is an FT-470. Is it an HF rig? Would you be interested in a partial trade
for a 2 meter HT? Alinco DJ160T with tons of features?

Monte Olsen
olsenm@ccmail.orst.edu
From: efbasham@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Everett Fred Basham)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
Subject: VHF HTs, Mobiles
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:14:04 GMT
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.

For Sale:

2 ea:  Ranger/Neutec VHF 6ch 5 watt Synthesized handheld radios

       5 Watts / HI  Low adjustable 0.5-5.0 Watts
       Diode Matrix programmed / Easily handles odd splits 
       Service Manual Included
       Brand New Battery Packs (12V, 700MAh)
       Brand New Antennas (VHF Rubber ducks)
       Currently set in 151 MHz business band, cover 138-174 MHz
       All aluminum construction

       Although these radios were originally intended for VHF 
       business use, they are adaptable for HAM frequencies.
       They can do HAM and VHF Business at the same time!  

$130/ea - Buy both for $260 and I'll include a speaker/Mic and a
	  drop - in 1HR fast/trickle charger

=================================================================

2 ea:  Ranger/Neutec VHF 6ch 5 watt CRYSTAL portable radios

       New, In box w/ charger, battery backs (NI-CD), antennas
       5 Watts HI / adjustable low 1-5 Watts
       1 radio has DTMF PAD, 4 crystals (includes 151.625, 151.895,
	 154.600, and 150.890)
       1 radio has 2 crystals (151.895, 154.600)
       Both radios have programmable PL boards installed (encode and decode)
       Die cast frame construction   
       Includes service manual 
       Extra crystals are $20/pair (TX&RX)

       Only sell as a pair:  $300 takes all

=================================================================

1 ea:  Ranger/Neutec SM1645H 16 Channel 45 Watt Mobile Radio
       
       Covers VHF 138-174 MHz
       Used, Excellent condition, original box, etc.
       EPROM programmed (simple if you have an EPROM burner, 2716)
       I'll program desired TX,RX, and PL codes for you otherwise
       Easily covers HAM and business simultaneously
       Includes programmable PL by channel #
       Adaptable to 32 channels with jumper setting (2 banks of 16)
       Extruded aluminum chassis
       Includes Service Manual

       $275

If you'd like more information, include your fax number and I'll send
spec. sheets / parts of the service manual, etc.  

e-mail to :  efbasham@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com    (408) 746-5266 voice 8-5 PST
					   
From: Claton.Cadmus@f100.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Claton Cadmus)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
Subject: Radios Still available
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 10:56:03 -0600

DRW>I still have several Motorola Micor and Master II GE radios for sale.
DRW>These are 100 watt output radios for VHF.  Originally tuned for 165 mhz
DRW>they can be moved down to 2 meters without much trouble.

I cannot send E-mail as yet but can recieve it. Could you E-mail me
details on the above inclusive of your asking price and physical
dimensions?

Claton Cadmus,  KA0GKC

Packet:         KA0GKC@WB0GDB.MN.USA.NA
Fido Netmail:   Claton Cadmus  1:282./100
Internet Email: Claton.Cadmus@f100.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com

 * SLMR 2.1a * Can I use my AM radio after noon?

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From: seymour@ast.saic.com (Ken Seymour)
Subject: Re: Radio Shack No-Code Tech books
Organization: SAIC
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:41:37 GMT

I would suggest using the ARRL books over the Radio Shack books.  One of
the things I dislike about the Radio Shack books is that the answers to
each question appear right after the question.  I found it nearly
impossible to cover up the answer before I accidentally read it.

The ARRL books have chapters on the theory.  After the end of certain
paragraphs, there is a list of questions covered in that section.  You
go to those questions (later in the book) to test yourself.  The answers
are in the back.  The disadvantage to this is that you need three
bookmarks while you are working your way through the book.

After you pass the exam, the ARRL books make good reference books.  You
don't have to look for the question that a given fact is tied to to find
the answer.

Just my $.02

-- 
Ken Seymour
seymour@ast.saic.com
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