From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: RJB (more information)
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:08:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncrcae.1992Oct14.170814.11524
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Originator: indu@iss700

To: srinivas@vision.crd.ge.com
Subject: Re: BM-RJB Issue (more developments)

In article <1992Oct12.205645.29883@crd.ge.com> you write:
>
>>>influence on the date when RJB temple is built.  If Arjun singh
>>The objective for which VHP/BJP have started the RJB movement
>>is not limited to the construction of the temple alone. The
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>>much wider objective is to fight off and eliminate the opposition 
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>>to the renaissance of the Indian-civilazational identity for India.
>>RJB in this fight is as symbolic as the ceremonial horse of an 
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>>"Ashvamedha Yagna." Any challenger to RJB is being faught off. And
>>successful construction of RJB at the original site can be easily
>>equated with the successful return of the cerermonial horse. After
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>>RJB construction, very little, if any, opposition will be left to the
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>>Hindutva being the name of India's national identity and ethos.
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>    A very facistic and scary thought packaged in
>    a sophisticated language.

  WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF HINDUTVA? You seem to be ignorant 
  of your ignorance. Which is fascist? Hindutva? Or Indian nationalism?
  Or Indian-civilizational identity to India? or Indian ETHOS?

>    Reminds me of a ABVP/BJP/VHP slogan i saw on street walls,
>    when i was in Hyd. this August.
>    " One Religion - One Caste -- One Country"
>    ( Telugu version: Okka Matham , Okka Kulam , Okka Desham)

  As a person who cannot understand the unity and national integration 
  concept behind a slogan, WHAT TO TALK OF YOUR VIEWS and understanding of 
  concepts. Know the depth of that slogan, before you speak.
  (May be - if you percieve that people be divided on the lines of CASTE  and
   Religion in the country and breaking up into multiple nations, 
   THEN fortunately BJP is NOT  "progressive" as per your standards).

>>So, VHP could have constructed the temple in many other ways, but its
>>objective is to bring into the political battlefield all those forces
>>that are opposed to the renaissance of the Indian-civilizational identity
>>and seek their political death. 
>>
>>They seem to be succeding splendidly in this battle so far. The irony is
>>that there are very few who realize this whole wider dimension of the
>>RJB struggle. RJB is Ramayan's Seeta; Babri Structure is Mahabharat's
>>Duryodhan, and the currently rampant, vote-bank guided, pseudo-secularism
>>is the Ravana or the greed of the Kauravas. I think the current anti-VHP/BJP
>>political forces in India are just too weak (from a long term perspective)
>>to offer any sustained opposition to the tide that VHP/BJP have 
>>unleashed in the arena of Indian politics. The main reason is that all the
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>>non-VHP/BJP political forces in today's India are nothing but edifices 
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>>created for acheiving the goals of personal ambitions and gratifications.
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>
>   Too simplistic analysis.
>   Even if what Mr. Raj Bhatnagar says is true, 
>   anyday, non-VHP/BJP political forces are more
>   progressive than the neo-nazi politics of
>   VHP/Shiv-sena kind.

   Oh yeah! Which is that SO-CALLED-PROGRESSIVE non-BJP political FORCE? 
   LET us hear, from you Sir!

   (VHP is not a political party. So much for your ignorance of facts).
   Though I donot know much about Shiv Sena, RAJ never uttered anything 
   about Shiv sena. It is your mischief in associating VHP with other groups
   and trying to pull shiv sena in WHICH STANDS OUT  CLEARLY .

   And what is neo-nazi? And where did you find it in the present scenario? 

   YOUR base less allegations speak about the depth of your perceptions,
   sir!!

   NOW let me tell you certain facts.

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