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From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Subject: Re: dressage saddles
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:28:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.152829.27577@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> 20676JAE@MSU writes:
>>I have a De Kunfy 
>You are the first person I have heard of that has  a De Knufy besides me.  I
>bought the saddle a few months ago...
>like you, find the short billets a pain.  Please, tell me how long you have had
>your saddle and how it wears over time...
 i
I bought mine used, so I don't know how it really wears over time, but it
has been used for a while before me.  Looks like someone took a spill in mine,
because the leather along the ridge of the cantle is scarred (but not broken
through) which is part of the reason I got it inexpensively.  The color of
mine was almost completely black, and repeated cleaning has finally resulted
in the strange brown/grey color that the new ones are, so I'd guess it's 
seen some years before I got it.  But it appears to be a very well made
saddle - I expect it will hold together for as long as I'm riding dressage.
Part of the reason I'm still suffering the short billets is that they are
still in good condition -- don't need replacing yet, so I haven't put out
the money.  At this rate, it may be years....

>The dealer I bought the saddle
>from said that the De Knufy is made by the same people as the Courbette saddles
>and that they have essentially the same basic tree style.  

Now the funny thing about this is a girl in our pony club just bought
herself a Courbette all purpose, and this Courbette definitely does NOT
fit my mare (the only time I've ever seen her try to dump someone).  The
De Kunfy on the other hand seems to fit her just fine.  I'd guess that the
trees are quite different, though the saddle-making techniques would be
similar.  Courbette got good workmanship ratings in the only tack book I
ever read that had the guts to give makers reviews of their work.

Lots of saddles have the year of manufacture stamped on the flaps some-
where, along with the 'serial number'  and some have year of manufacture
encoded in the serial number.  Anybody know some of the codes of the 
more popular saddles?

Adrienne Regard
From: doconnor@oxygen.inews.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: fly parasites
Date: 11 Apr 92 06:51:17 GMT
Organization: /eng/eng25/doconnor/.organization
In-reply-to: SASDBK@vm.sas.com's message of 7 Apr 92 19:44:48 GMT


If you have nearby horse or cattle facilities that aren't on
some kind of anti-fly program ( whether parasites, feed-thru
insecticide or arial spraying ), your cause is lost.

Pyrethrin + piperonyl-butoxide fly sprays, especially those with a
water as opposed to petroleum carrier, are my favorite. The petroleum
irritates our horses (it makes the bites sting and smells), making them
harder to spray. These products can be used whenever needed, unlike
permethrin and other insecticides that can't be used more often
than 2-3 days. After one summer day, whatever you use is sweated off,
in my experience.

Other people have recommended vineger, both fed and as a 50/50 mix
with insecticide. And some New York biting flies would only respect
DEET-based products ( i.e. human insect repellent ).
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: haber@bashan.cs.wisc.edu (Eben Merriam Haber)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Looking for boarding stable in Princeton, N.J.
Keywords: board, stable, horse
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:30:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

Hi there!

I'm considering a summer job in Princeton, N.J., and I'm wondering if any
one out there knows of any good boaring stables in the area.

Thanks!

Eben Haber & Royal Banner (who needs a summer home...)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: Sherron.E.Knopp@williams.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re:  Shipping Info
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:29:18 GMT
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

I took a horse with me from Vermont to California and back about 12
years ago when I had a sabbatical from my college.  On the recommen-  
dations of Jimmy Williams at Flintridge Riding Club and Marcia Williams
in Pasadena, I used Bob Hubbard.  (They were also the official equestrian
transporters for the Olympics when the Olympics were in Los Angeles.)
Anyway, they were good--and, at least in the pre-Olympic days, quite
reasonable.  They're also based in California but do regular x-country
runs.  It's a hard trip for a horse, though.  If I were doing it again,
I would try to fly, because it's not THAT much more expensive.  More 
recently, I used Blue Chip to ship a horse from Vermont to Baltimore 
and was extremely happy and impressed with the care (the horse that 
went to California was a very easy horse--the one that went to Baltimore
was a travelling basket case).  I don't have phone numbers, but I think
both Hubbard and Blue Chip advertise in the Chronicle.  Good luck!

Sherron in Williamstown, MA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mlr21@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: begining riders and horses
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:49:42 GMT

In article <920408111442@desire.ftp.com>, fks@vax.ftp.com (Frances K. Selkirk) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr6.031635.25314@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis) writes:
|> 
|>     *right*. I learned to ride partially on a horse named J.C., who was an
|>     absolute doll (as well as one of the prettiest blue roans I've ever
|>     seen), but he worked like a machine, doing exactly what you told him
|> 
|> Blue roans are so pretty! I've only seen a few of them, but I've Ooo -ed
|> at every one! What breeds have that colouration? 
|> 
|> 
|> --
|> Frances Kirk Selkirk		 fks@ftp.com	           (617) 246-0900


Appaloosas and Quarter Horses can be blue roans.  Not sure what else.

Mary Lee Raines
Ravenswood Appaloosas
From: VBENJAM@uga.cc.uga.edu (Virginia Benjamin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: RE: New horse, new twist name game
Date: 7 Apr 1992 19:39:22 -0400
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

Roberta, I think you came up with a logical name yourself in your last sentence
... Surprise   (which you could shorten to Prize...)


Enjoy your new equine buddy,


virginia
athens, ga.
From: pfau@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (lynn.r.pfau)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: dressage saddles
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:11:41 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr13.232741.27947@cabezon.uucp>, lizt@cabezon.uucp (B. Elizabeth Trojan) writes:
> 
> I am thinking of getting a new dressage saddle. I presently
> have a Stubben which is a nice enough saddle but it fits a
> bit too tightly through the withers on my horse. Other saddles
> that I have been looking at are Keiffers, Counties, and Passiers.
> I would also be interested in names, addresses, and phone numbers
> for saddle discount houses and your experiences with them.
> 
> 
> 
> Liz Trojan 
> (503)246-7850

Liz:
I've got a used County Competitor that I really like.
Before I bought it, I tried out every dressage saddle
that I could get my hands on, and it was by far the
most comfortable. I believe that it also comes in
4 different widths. You can send for a good brochure from
the company that explains all about saddle fitting. They
usually have an ad in Practical Horseman. Someone at our
barn just got a new one from a discount place - not sure
where, but I can find out. I do know that Stateline carries
them, you have to call for a price on their saddles.

Lynn Pfau
AT&T
Naperville, Il
From: carey@m.cs.uiuc.edu (John Carey)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: broken leg first aid
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:34:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Apr6.193410.30609
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

At the vet school open house, they had a display set up about fixing
broken legs.  They had some nice x-rays of plates and screws and so
forth.  So I asked about how you would handle splinting a leg break,
since the question was asked here before.  Here goes--

First wrap sheet cotton around it -- tight.  Then some gauze or ace
bandage.  It should be tight enough so it "sounds like a ripe watermelon
when you thump it."  If it is a cannon bone fracture (most likely) the
bandaging should extend as far as you can--down to the fetlock at least
and up over the knee as high as you can manage.  

So once you get the sheet cotton and wrap done you take 2 halves
of a large PVC pipe (I am not sure what exact diameter you would
need.  Maybe 6" diameter, do you think?), the pipe would be cut
lengthwise, and as long as possible, like the bandage underneath it,
extending from fetlock to elbow.  

Then over that you would put more sheet cotton and
ace bandage, making everything very tight so things don't move
around.  (Hopefully circulation won't be cut off too much to cause
necrosis.  But if the splint won't hold, the broken ends of the
bone can do enough damage to make it unsalvageable.  The sheet cotton
should give enough padding to hopefully prevent blood vessels from
being totally shut off)

Then somehow you would get the horse to a surgery clinic.  Many breaks
cause too much damage to allow the horse to be saved.  But there are still
many that can be successfully treated with bone plating techniques.
-- 
John Carey
University of Illinois
Dept. of Computer Science
carey@a.cs.uiuc.edu {uu-net,pur-ee,convex,...}!uiucdcs!carey
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: glenda@cbnews.cb.att.com (glenda.lynne.childress)
Subject: Biotin Supplement
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:26:33 GMT


I purchase my biotin from my local grain mill.  The cost is about
a dollar per pound for a 10 pound bag.  The grain mill buys it in
bulk and repackages it.  I feed about a tablespoon per feeding, so
a bag lasts a very long time.  It took about 3 months for me to
see improvement in my horse's feet (only one of my guys gets it).
I am very, very pleased with the results.  His feet went from not
being able to keep shoes on, to strong, healthy "normal" feet!

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: Stable names.... and breeding mares
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:43:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.062917.810@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>	As for stable names, my mare's registered name is Rose of Quality.
>I usually call her Baby or Quality..... or you stupid bitch.  Just depends
>on her mood.  

A friend of mine had a horse whose reference name (what you call her
when you're talking about her rather than to her) was the Bright Orange
Bitch. What made it more appropriate was that her normally dun color
tended to darken to bright orange when she was in heat....

>Sue

	-Nora
-- 
Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.
From: shonette@tekred.tek.com (Shonette Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: 'horse motels'
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:25:44 GMT
Reply-To: shonette@tekred.tek.com (Shonette Rogers)
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.,  Redmond, OR.

In article <1992Apr10.140256.13392@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu> kcumming@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (Kitty Cummings) writes:
>'m also interested in where to get info and publications listing
>'overnight' stabling for horses when traveling.  We are tentatively
>planning on taking a mare from NY to the far end of Florida early next
>spring (1993) to breed her to 'Rugged Lark' (anyone familiar with QHs,
>this horse is *awesome*).
>
COOOL, Kitty!!!  They had a good article about him in one of
the magazines (I think it was Horse & Rider 2 years ago).  They
showed pictures of him doing his final run in the Congress? (Not
sure which show)  Anyway, he was doing it bridless.  That would
have been awesome to watch!

They also have a Breyer horse of him that I almost got to add to
my collection.

Congratulations!!

Green with envy,

Shonette Rogers
  and Miss Lady Linton (someday... someday :-)).
From: ckw0@aber.ac.uk (Carl Keri Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: need suggestions on saddles
Summary: Breaking Thorogoods...
Keywords: Synthetics and stirrup bars
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:57:01 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Apr13.160821.13398@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes:
>I do all day rides at this point and am looking for an Elglish -type
>endurance or english saddle.  I like the idea or Ortho Flex but that
>is just out of my price range.
>
>I would appreciate any suggestions.  I am currently thinking about
>the Wintec Sport Edurance because it fits me, is comfortable, and I
>like the idea of a saddle I can ride in lakes and the ocean.  My
>concerns are the following:
>
>Thanks, Karen

I have never tried a Wintec, but I did once have a Thorogood synthetic saddle.
It cost me #150 (not sure what that is in dollars) and it lasted me exactly 
six WEEKS before one of the stirrup bars came away as I was galloping next
to a lake.  I was not impressed, as it was 10 miles from civilisation and 
I very nearly tipped off into the lake.

The problem was that they had economised on the number of rivets used to hold
the stirrup bars in place (these were advertised as 'Internationally accepted
spring loaded stirrup bars' or somesuch and I assumed they were of a decent 
quality.  This tree could easily have been used in either leather or synthetic
saddles, but perhaps manufacturers of leather saddles might be fussier about
safety standards.  

So if you do buy synthetic, check how many rivets they use!  Two is NOT enough!
On the plus side, this saddle was amazingly comfortable to ride in, seemed 
to mould to the shape of the horse and had velco (touch and close fastening)
knee rolls, fitted under the front of the saddle flap, which you could put
in place in the exact position your knees like to be in, which meant that 
even if you spent all day galloping around over rough country your legs never 
moved in the saddle and it was really easy to stay in position.  On the minus
side, the synthetic fabric really made the horse sweat up a lot and overheat,
even with a cotton numnah (saddle shaped quilted saddle blanket) underneath.
If they sort the problems out and keep the price down I think they should be 
brilliant, but I don't know how long they would last - 6 weeks wasn't long 
enough to test the synthetic materials :-) 

Has anyone any experience of these new 'adjustable trees' which you can 
widen or narrow 'with a turn of a screwdriver' ?  They sound brilliant,
especially for young horses which might change shape, or if you change 
horses or have to make one saddle do between several horses


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From: mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall)
Subject: Re: horse shoes
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 06:04:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: nail-ons vs glue-ons

I have had great things  happen to my horses feet and the horses feet of
people I work for by:
1) soaking feet one time a week in mud (over fill the water bucket)
2) knox gelatin mixed 1 to 4  with biotin
3) rain maker around hoof after baths
  
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Subject: Re: L-Trytophan?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:50:39 GMT

(Horse spooks at loudspeakers).

You could ask if the show managers would allow you to stand your horse
in front of the speakers in other classes (as long as she were out of
the say of the performing horses and as long as she didn't then spook
*them*).  At a good schooling show, where *SCHOOLING* is the point, they
might let you.  

Also, lots of places have paddock speakers as well as ring speakers.  
Guess where you'd spend the next 5 horse shows.....No need to spend a lot
of money entering -- just find anywhere near that has paddock speakers
and show up for ANY event they are holding, and sit there.  For hours.

Take a snack for both of you....

Adrienne Regard
.
From: JB6UDSTI@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: help with a stubborn saddlebred
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:42:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: MIAMIU.92098.224236JB6UDSTI
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I've been leasing an 8 yr. old saddlebred for several months now, and have
been trying to break him of several bad habits.  To begin with, if he's
within sight of his barn, no matter what direction you tell him to turn, he
always heads in the barn direction.  I've used a few different bits, but he
has a very strong mouth, so when I try and turn him away, he rarely listens.
Mainly, if I can't convince him to turn back the into the direction I had
originally intended, I have to pull him tight into his turn and turn him all
the way around.  He also doesn't stop very well.  Like I said, he has a very
 strong mouth and won't stop no matter how much I pull at times.  I've tried
pushing his body forward into the bit with my seat, but that only works part
of the time.
 
If anyone has any suggestions for working with Guard, I would appreciate them.
 
 
...Jase...
 
 
 
P.S.  He is the most docile and responsive horse I've seen when we ride double
on him.  But when I ride alone, especially bareback, that's a different story.
From: mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: arthritic hock  (long)
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:52:16 GMT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <1232@aeshq.UUCP>, sue@aeshq.UUCP (Susan Grocott) writes:
> In article <1992Apr5.223716.15736@pbs.org> mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser) writes:
>>
>>I just had some rather distressing news from my vet.  Quest has arthritis in his
>>right hock (we only x-rayed the right, though I guess maybe it is in both).
>>
>>Has anyone else had experience with this?  Any info would be greatly
>>appreciated.
>>
> 
> Well guys, I posted a similar note to this almost 2 years ago.  I got lots of
> response from you, and have taken the liberty of forwarding those responses to
> Melanie - I *really* hope no-one minds :-)
> 
> I thought I should probably let you know who I quoted (let me know if you need
> to know what it was you said :-).  So, many thanks to....
> 
> : regard@hpsdde.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
> : springer@khonshu.colorado.edu (Jann Springer)
> : RA04@Lehigh
> : bobk@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Robert Kinne)
> : sylvia@hplvli.HP.COM (Sylvia Budak)
> : marsh@clarinet.cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh)
> : lmn00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Linda Newell)
> : tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
> 
> 
> 	Sue Grocott


I received this message from Sue, and found the info very helpful.
(I've been trying to reply to both Sue and Linda Newell, but my
messages keep bouncing back--thanks to both of you for the response)

We've been doing light riding all week, and he
has been off and on stiff. somedays willing to
get round and be forward and other days not.

The vet comes this Friday, and I hope to get more
info from her about this.  I'll post an update.

I wonder if all this info might be good for a FAQ?

Melanie
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          Melanie L. Dresser	  mdresser@pbs.org    
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"In this world, you must be oh so smart, or oh so pleasant.
Well, for years I was smart; I recommend pleasant.  You may
quote me."  Elwood P. Dowd
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour)
Subject: Re: where are horse shows advertised? 
Summary:  Horsemen's Yankee Pedlar 
Reply-To: j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 18:10:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.165151.5252@ryn.mro4.dec.com> bechtler@asdg.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler) writes:
>
>
>
>I don't own a horse but have always loved them.  I recently moved
>to Massachusetts, and I would like to find out when and where some
>horse shows are within 90 miles or so of Marlboro.  Do tack shops
>have bulletin boards with this type of announcement?  (Next
>question is where are the tack shops locally?)
>
>I don't subscribe to anything horsey...and there probably isn't
>any one publication that covers all the shows, dressage, hunter/
>jumper, breed shows, county fairs.  
>
>Any suggestions?  Thanks.
>

  Actually, in New England, and increasingly, the northeast, there is a
publication which covers almost all the shows.  The Horsemen's Yankee
Pedlar is an all breed newspaper which has a calendar every month and
also publishes results of competitions.  It also has a good classified
section.  When I was really in the horse business I subscribed to the
Pedlar, and had an ad in it every month.  I don't have the money any
more, so all I get now is Equus.  The Pedlar is available at tack shops,
or by subscription.

  joy


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: need suggestions on saddles
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:18:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.065823.992@desire.wright.edu>, sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
> I was very glad to see this post since I was just looking only *yesterday*
> at a Thorogood saddle.  I was offered a new one with the adjustable tree
> for $400.  Don't know if this is a good price, didn't know how comfortable
> the saddle is, so this info has been very helpful.

I rode a few times in a borrowed Thorogood last year and hated
it.  It was basically pretty comfortable but the material grabbed
my britches.  I also noticed that that surface had pitted.  The
saddle was only a few years old and this was in California, so I 
don't know how it would hold up in a place that has weather.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: more on endurance saddles
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:15:55 GMT

Thanks to all who responded on the Wintecs and saddles.  I talked to
Skito Enterprises near Sacramento and they definately did not like
the Wintec as they thought the tree was not "forgiving"

They reccomended a saddle-maker named Skyhorse who is located north
of Eureka and I talked to them.  All of their endurance saddles
(both cut down western style, and also english style) have western
style rockers that can be individually fit to the horses back, and
then have a cover of Skito enterprises high density foam than can be
removed and cleaned or replaced.  She also said that the tree was
hinged and so DID flex.  They are sending information, and I will
take a look at it.  The saddle with all the fittings is $850.

In her opinion (Skyhorse), the Ortho-Flex saddles are something of a
misnomer, as their TREE in rigid, only the panels flex.  Anyone
want to comment on this?

So, I am a little more confused again.  One poster (thanks)
mentioned a Sharon Saare Synthetic Endurance saddle so I will check
on that too.