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From: "philip jones" <philip.jones@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: 727 jump
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:53:57 EST
Reply-To: "philip jones" <philip.jones@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

  Just got back from the Convention in Quincy and see all these posts 
about jumping from the JET.  Well here's the story.

  The 727 arrived on Tues the 11th, one 'test' load of 100 jumpers went up 
that afternoon.  Manifest was first come first served of those who had 
tickets.  The 727 was a cargo version from Express One.  The hydraulic 
stairs at the tail were removed, but there were still 5 stairs to go down 
before you hit the open air.  Exit speed was approx 160 Mph, altitude was 
15000'. 

  The test load was exactly that, as they turned on jump run the signal to 
stand up was given.  Everyone thought that was the signal to go and  
started running out.  The problem was the jet was still doing over 200 
Mph.  The first few jumpers out had goggles ripped off, jumpsuit zippers 
undone, containers opened etc.  It was quite entertaining from the ground 
as you saw about 100 to 150 yards of separation between each jumper, and 
the odd canopy opening REALLY high.  The largest formation built on this 
first load was a 6 or 7 way round.  There were canopies stretching from 
horizon to horizon (50 jumpers per pass).

  On Wed 12 Aug, three loads of 190 jumpers were flown.  There were only 2 
passes per load.  I was first pass on load #1 on Wed.  It took about 20 
min to load everyone in, 5 rows of about 60 jumpers crammed in.  
Fortunately it only took about 4-6 min to reach 15000!!!!!!  The exit was 
single file running right out the back.  There was no time or room to link 
anything.  The 5 stairs were no problem at all, you were hard pressed to 
touch more than 2.  Everyone either dove out or just hopped out feet 
first.  Even though the exit speed was only about 160 Mph the separation 
was at least 100 yards.  Talk about a long track to the formation!!

  My group of 10 Canadians built a 9-way star, which by the way was the 
largest formation built from the jet, till a 16-way was put together on 
the 3rd and final load.  (Yes I'm exercising my bragging rights!)

  A 4th load was manifested but the weather socked in and the load was 
re-scheduled for the Thursday morning.  BUT. . . , the FAA stepped in on 
Thursday and pulled the plug on any further loads from the jet.  Something 
about "missing" paper-work is the rumor.  I guess we aren't allowed 
to have TOO MUCH fun <G>!!!

  I TRIED to keep this short, if you want to know more just post any and 
all questions.  I'll be more than happy to tell more about this incredible 
experience (BIG GRIN>!!!!!!

>> Phil Jones
>> CSPA B2964, D.B. Cooper #195          

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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: MS Patient Skydives (On TV)...
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 13:20:59 GMT

kjones@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Kent Jones - EECS) writes:
: To make a long story short, after about 2-3 dives she started to get feeling 
: back in her legs! She continued to skydive and is now able to walk!

Wow!  If this isn't an urban legend, then boy does she have some
advantages!

Can you imagine having your insurance company pay for your "medical"
treatment (i.e. your skydives).
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From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Wrong item to catch in freefall
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:41:52 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <553.2A890C6F@ehsnet.fidonet.org> SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE) writes:
>Reply-to: Nancy.Jo@p0.f68.n110.z1.fidonet.org (Nancy Jo Irwin)
>Fido-To: all
>
>I almost lost my hook knife once, it came out of its little pouch!
>I was so proud when I caught it in mid-air because I had just saved myself $5.  Then it came time to pull so I put the hook knife in my left hand.
>The only problem was that I always grabbed my risers on opening to help open the canopy (it sniveled really bad).  When I got on the ground and started to pack I noticed that I had almost cut my riser in half.
>So--- save a $5 hook knife and ruin a $50 pair of risers!!!

Just be glad it didn't cut through as you flared. Ouch!!!!



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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: The Convention
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 16:11:09 GMT

SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org) wrote:
: Reply-to: Hector.Mandel@p0.f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Hector Mandel)
: Fido-To: all
: want to do on a regular basis. I arrived in Quincy on the 13th just when the  
: FAA discovered that the Jet had no seat belts (don't ask me why they didn't  
: have any on hand).  The Jet was grounded that day and left that evening.   

Sounds like someone made an expensive mistake.  It couldn't have been
cheap to rent a big plane like that.  It's my understanding that the
plane operator gets paid whether or not the plane flies.  Is that true?
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From:  (wine@stress1.nrl.navy.mil)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: I'm not sure (first tandom)
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:07:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.004446.6658@gateway.ssf-sys.DHL.COM>, bdaniels@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Ben Daniels) writes:
> 
> Daniel Briggs  (dbriggs@nrao.edu) says
> 
> I believe it was 1965. He made a few practice jumps chasing Bob Allen
> who was carrying a regular chest mounted reserve. They would pass the
> reserve, he would put it on and then open his main. (He was wearing
> a B4 harness and container.)

>  There were two cameras on the load - Bob Buquor and Richard
> Economy. I believe they each had an extra strap with a (reserve type)
> hook added to their harnesses so that if the reserve got dropped or
> something (erk!) Rod could hook to one of them.

While I'm not up on the history of Tandom jumping, this looks like it could
 have turned into the first tandom landing!  BTW. Does anyone know when the first 
tandom jump was made?  (:-)<;-)

And to think, people think we're nuts because we jump out of planes WITH a parachute!

Jim     A-12602 (soon to be C-xxxx)

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Woman hit by landing skydiver sues city
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 21:42:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.194957.9025@virtech.uucp> mark@vti.com writes:
>tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>: a 66 yeard old Simi Valley woman said she suffered head, neck, and back 
>: injuries when a skydiver landed on her at a July 4 city sponsored event.
>: Oh yeah, emotional trauma too.
>: 
>: Poor thing, at least te skydiver had an open canopy!
>
>I don't know all the particulars, but it sounds like you
>are making the woman into a fool! (please correct me if
>I'm wrong, and I'll take my flames like a man.)


well, i had intended only to report the incident, and then noticed i'd 
omitted the trauma bit from the list of injuries. so that came out wrong.

then i tried to be funny, in a mildly empathetic sort of way;
guess it didn't work out :-/

i was imagining her tryiong to figure out how to get away from the incoming
which made me laugh 'cause i've run from canopies that weren't about to 
hit me on a few occasions.
she probably didn't even have a chance. the jumper f*cked up;

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tim
i don't flame

usually :-)



















OK OK OK MY COMMENT WAS THOUGHTLESS AND INAPPROPRIATE
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From: bdaniels@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Ben Daniels)
Subject: Re: First dive and other ponderables
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:55:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.221415.1@scivax.stsci.edu> osbourn@scivax.stsci.edu writes:
>
>Greetings all!
>
>I earlier posted a question about jumping with contacts, and I wanted to thank
>everyone who responded.  I made my first jump using regular Kroops with the
>air holes taped up, and everything went fine, so I thought I'd give everyone
>my impression of the first jump.
>

Thank you. That was a great. I read it several times and it took me
right along with you.

Life on the ground never looked the same to me after that either.

Skratch

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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: The Convention
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:01:45 GMT

Reply-to: Hector.Mandel@p0.f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Hector Mandel)
Fido-To: all

I spent four days at the convention this year and I must say that it's  
improved vastly from the three previous years.  No more C-130!!  *cheer*  The
Herc was fun to jump once or twice, but really put a drag on the whole  
boogie.  This year a person could actually do seven or eight skydives in a day  
:-)  The Huey was fun to jump, but at $29 to 4K, not exactly something I'd  
want to do on a regular basis.  I arrived in Quincy on the 13th just when the  
FAA discovered that the Jet had no seat belts (don't ask me why they didn't  
have any on hand).  The Jet was grounded that day and left that evening.   
Great buzz though :-)  My fav's where the King Air and the Arizona Otter.  The  
weather for the last four days was perfect.  I think they announced that there  
where 1500 registrants who did over 20,000 skydives, including 600-700 tandem  
jumps.  

I'm planning to attend the Richmond Revisited Boogie in Richmond, IN over  
labor-day weekend.  If any of you neters out there are planning to attend,  
let's get organized! :-)  I'll be with the Illiana Skydivers crowd, look me up  
:-)
 

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From: sparkie@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn)
Subject: Re: Grave landing
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:32:34 GMT

In article <frank2.9@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za> frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za  
(FRANK D N) writes:

[ ..stuff deleted.. ]

>Have there been any other incidents similar to this? Are there any other 
>good bad-landing stories to add to my dinner conversation repetoire?

[ ... ]

A really good friend of mine, Doug, was doing CRW one day.  (Frank, that's  
canopy relative work - building formations with open square parachutes).   
Anyway, he was flying a canopy that was flying MUCH faster than the rest of the  
canopies in formation with him.  Doug was on the bottom of the formation having  
mega problems keeping his canopy from ramming into the lines of someone else's  
canopy.  This made it hard for him to keep his canopy inflated.  Keith, another  
friend of mine, was docking last on this thing.  Anyway, the top person was  
going fast enough so that the people on top and in front of Doug would speed up  
enough so that Doug could keep his canopy inflated.  But, wouldn't you know it,  
the top person leaves, and the remaining top people in the stack slow way down  
and Doug's canopy wraps the person in front of him.  This person tried for  
desperation to hold on, but couldn't, and Doug went tumbling through Keith's  
canopy, collapsing it as well!

The two canopies started flying themselves into a BIG mess and there were two  
bodies spinning, 180 degrees opposite each other, around the mess.  The next  
thing you see on the video is Doug's 26' round reserve and it's heading  
straight for a graveyard a little way from the DZ!  Apart from being the most  
hellacious wrap I have ever seen, watching Doug and his round reserve haplessly  
heading for the graveyard was the fuel for verbal jabs that Doug has yet to  
witness the end of!
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From: ermer@ferr.serum.kodak.com (Rick Ermer (x37666))
Subject: Rigger in WNY
Reply-To: ermer@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Distribution: ny
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:11:23 GMT

Can anyone recommend a rigger in the Western New York area.  I'm an aerobatic pilot in Rochester, and the person who packs my emergency parachute is no longer doing it.  It's a Strong round canopy type.


Thanks,
Rick

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From: sparkie@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: FAA grounded 727? (Was: Re: 727 jumps)
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:07:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: daffy.1992Aug20.030731.16424
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

In article <1992Aug15.035353.22803@mercury.cair.du.edu>  
tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.022655.25932@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>  
bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
>>I missed the part about where this thing is. Is the 727 still flying,
>>and where? (I hope, I hope)
>
>it was (is?) flying at the world freefall convention in quincy IL.

[ ..stuff deleted.. ]

Anyone have any information on what happened with the FAA grounding the 727?
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Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 19:51:19 CDT
From: <U50281@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject:    Re: 14?

jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber) says:
>I even heard stories of boogies where Mike Mullins took his plane,
>where they wouldn't let charlie jump. So Mike told them where
>to put the boogie and left. Hoe's that for leverage? ;)
>
And dredging up an old thread...
Charlie has a reply to the above.  I saw him this week at Quincy.  He says:
"It's not true that my dad tells you where to shove it when I can't jump,
but I will!"

Now what was that someone said about his "attitude?" :-)

BTW, that 727 was climbing at 4000 feet per minute.  No joke!  That's the
first load I've ever been on where the ride down is longer than up...
...yeah, well, I don't dump at 1500 either...


Jeff Hauser
Sky Knights SPC
East Troy, WI
From: rand@skydiver.Eng.Sun.COM (Visualize Whirled Peas)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Jumping from jets?
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:35:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: skydiver

In article <1992Aug13.134709.4621@mercury.cair.du.edu> tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>
>i believe the only civilian/passenger jet jumps ever have been D.B. Cooper's
>and from a 727 at the Convention, which noone will tell us about (!).

There was at least one other time when 727 jumps were made.
That was when they were filming the D.B. Cooper movie....
can't really remember what it was titled.  There were some
interesting stories from the cameramen and "stunt" jumpers
who did the jumps (like seperating shoulders from hitting the air, etc)

Rand
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From: russ@nikko.com ( Russell Chamberlin )
Subject: ****** Gear for sale *******
Followup-To: rec.skydiving
Organization: The Nikko Securities Co., International, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:04:51 GMT

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	Reserve: 	Phantom 24'(round) - light blue
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50 Jumps, 1 reserve ride - excellent condition

Rig: $1400 new - asking $1000

	This rig packs up very small and is quite lightweight.
	Main has a throwout on the right leg, seperate 3 ring cutaway and
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Suit: $150 new - asking $75

	The suit is cut for someone about 5'11' and 175 lbs.

Obviously, everything matches (sorry, you'll have to provide an altimeter mount).

I'll pay shipping anywhere in the U.S.

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Woman hit by landing skydiver sues city
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 17:29:20 GMT

a 66 yeard old Simi Valley woman said she suffered head, neck, and back 
injuries when a skydiver landed on her at a July 4 city sponsored event.
Oh yeah, emotional trauma too.

Poor thing, at least te skydiver had an open canopy!
From: bleck@theta.ai.mit.edu (Olaf Bleck)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: More news from Quincy
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:01:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: life.26833
Reply-To: bleck@ai.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <1992Aug20.034258.16659@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, sparkie@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn) writes:
|> [ ..stuff deleted.. ]
|> 
|> >Even the Wisconsin contingent made out well this year, after taking a
|> >beating last year!
|> 
|> Geez!  One bad year and the next thing you know it's a precedent!  Do ALL  
|> skydivers jump to conclusions like this?  I thought it might have just been a  
|> localized problem. ;-)


Well, it was hardly a jumped to conclusion--just an obvious observation by
not just myself!



Joe Skydiver:  "Did you hear about the guy that pounded in this morning?"
Me: "No--was he from Wisconsin?"
Joe Skydiver: "Yes..."

Later that day...

Joe Skydiver:  "Did you hear about the guy that pounded in this afternoon?"
Me: "No--was he from Wisconsin?"
Joe Skydiver: "Yes..."

etc...



But I'm glad you guys worked it out okay this year!

-Olaf
DBC804
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: 727 jumps
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:26:55 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

I missed the part about where this thing is. Is the 727 still flying,
and where? (I hope, I hope)


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From: dj7@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Dev Joneja)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: First time parachute jump in NY area
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:52:54 GMT
Reply-To: dj7@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Dev Joneja)
Organization: Columbia University

Hi: I hope to parachute jump for the first time, and would like
some help. I intend to go for a static line jump. I am in the 
New York city area.

Question: Are there any organizations anyone would recommend /
warn me against? What sort of a price should I expect?
What sort of training should I expect.

Any other comments / advice is very welcome. 

Thanks. -Dev.
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From: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry Brumitt)
Subject: Re: LORAN System for Spotting
Reply-To: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry  Brumitt)
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:32:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.025358.13600@ra.oc.com> matt@ra.oc.com (Matthew Lyle) writes:


   >     I hope this is a short-lived fad.

   Just wait... next you'll be able to use GPS... just don't think
   about the fact that the Dept of Defense has insured that they can
   make GPS totally inaccurate, except for their receivers of course.
   This is to insure that the "bad dudes", whomever they might be,
   can't use GPS during an emergency against us... (the "good guys"?)

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   West/SW/SE/Mid Atlantic Region (*Phew*)
   OpenConnect System, Dallas, Texas                      (214) 490-4090


Careful -- for our purposes, a 300 yard+ innacracy isn't so bad! And if
you had a differential pair, one on the plane, on on the ground, you
could *easily* get 20yard or better accuracy, which is just fine!


Barry

ps. I'm not "making" these numbers up, but I am estimating them by
going about a factor of 4 worse than the best you can get today for
around $100,000 assuming cheaper versions with lesser accuracy will
eventually become available. If you want the best you can buy now, you
can get millimeter *relative* accuracy, but you have to sit and take
measurements for a long time -- and we're taking *relative* accuracy
again! You can get 5-10 meter or so relatime differential accuracy for
that much dough too! However, still, a differential pair would work
wonderfully for   spotting -- and it would be damned reliable. -- Plus
you'd know what  time it is to the nanoseond! :-).





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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Twin Bonanza (Was: Re: Long day at the DZ)
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:24:58 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: rwheeler@elf7.pa.dec.com

 r> to: rwheeler@elf7.pa.dec.com (Rob Wheeler)

 r> sparkie@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn) writes:
|>Yeah, right!  I've got over 100 jumps out of Mike's 
 r> King Air and I have yet to  
|>see a successful launch of anything bigger than a 5-
|>way.  
|>_possible_ to launch an 8-way from Mike's King Air, 
|>I've never seen it done.

 r> I've never jumped from Mike Mullin's King Air, but at Skydance in Davis
 r> we have one or two King Airs (B90's) and we have launched 8-ways.  In fact
 r> for some time the Golden Knights 8-way team had a King Air for their 

Hi Rob,

   I've been meaning to get up to the north side drop zones for a long time.  (I'm in LA)  But now I'm going to really do it because I bought a weekend of jumping at Skydance at the auction in Quincy.

   How's the jumping there?  Can I get lots of jumps on almost any weekend?  For me it's going to be like one of Mike's Boogie-Til-Ya-Puke weekends.  I can hardly wait.

Bill Caefer
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