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From: afung@world.std.com (Albert K Fung)
Subject: HK democracy (was: What do you think of Chris Patten)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:58:31 GMT

cwc>Now while the major western powers are busy in 'normalization' their 
cwc>relationship with China, the proposal comes just three years too late.
cwc>One can only hypothesize: what happen if the British was pushing democracy
cwc>in stead of the new airport three years ago?

A pitty isn't it? But as the saying goes - "better late than never". Do you 
not agree?

cwc>The other side of the coin is that poor people often don't have the 
cwc>exposure to the problems and complexities facing business, community,

akf>Try them.

cwc>It's been tried in mainland, and you could see the results. Not that I
cwc>am saying the poor are not capable of, but it is just that they have
cwc>no such exposure yet, and often they were not able to look at the
cwc>matter from various angles.  

Our interpretations of modern Chinese history are a bit different ....

cwc>Sure, but one has to play the 'game' right (perhaps at the risk of being
cwc>called kowtowed).  Just like Suen Tze said: know yourself, know others,
cwc>then you won't lose in a hundred battle.

I have very high regard for the military strategist and distinguish Taoist, 
Suen Tze. But I'm afraid you may not be heeding his advice with due diligence.
It is very unlikely that you can really "know yourself" if you don't even hear
the voice of your people. :)

If I remember correctly, right at the beginning of his classic, "The Art of
War", he enunciated five dictums of strategic assessments. The first and
foremost was "Tao". He then went on to explain:

	The "Tao" means inducing the people to have the save aim as the
	leadership, so that they will share death and share life, without
	fear of danger.

I seriously think he was a secret admirer of democracy in the feudal era ... :)

Regards,

Al Fung
SoftFab International Ltd., Cambridge, MA
Email: afung@SoftFab.COM

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From: eng10187@nusunix1.nus.sg (LAM TAT FAI)
Subject: Re: Hong Kong Calendar
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:48:14 GMT

I am not sure if 1 Oct is a holiday. But I'm sure that HK does not
celebrate the National Day of China so soon.

Lam, Allen

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From: akwy@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Alan Kin Wah YIM)
Subject: HKPA.POPSTARS - Needs new maintainer - pls help!!!
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:45:59 GMT

HONG KONG PICTURES ARCHIVE (HKPA)
=================================
CALL FOR NEW MAINTAINER FOR HKPA.POPSTARS
=========================================
Hi netters,

I'd like to announce my desire of resignation from HKPA.POPSTARS. As a
matter of fact, 1992 is the final year of my first university course.
I had already scheduled to go back to HK some time in Feb or may be March
in 1993, for uncertain no. of years (well, how could I say it certainly
in a place full of guessing games???) Needless to say, I'll lose my
account and thus losing access to Usenet and Internet in about a couple
of months time. Too bad that probably I won't have another account in HK
which is powerful enough for me to keep maintaining HKPA.POPSTARS. Sigh.

Under such an uneasy situation, we need a new volunteer to take over at
least part of my job for HKPA.POPSTARS. Someone who has knowledge of
the show business people in HK, with some skills in Cantonese pinyin
are preferred. However, most importantly, we need an enthusiastic
person.

The amount of duties is flexible. By the way, this is a good opportunity
for those who are interested in leadership and decision making exercises
in matters.

Please contact me <akwy@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au> for more details if you're
interested.

We really need your help to keep HKPA.POPSTARS, and even HKPA running!
Your kindest help will be greatly appreciated.

Have a prosperous 1993 and Kung Hei Fat Choy in advance!

Best regards,
Alan, HKPA.POPSTARS maintainer;
      soc.culture.hongkong FAQ, Part IV maintainer;
      HKPA.MISC comic picture collections task force
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From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: [NEWS] from CND on HK-China power struggle
Originator: leung@bittemple
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:51:15 GMT


Some of you may not read CND, so I post it here.

Steven
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3. China Makes Plans to Effect Changes in Hong Kong Before '97 .......... 40
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Forwarded by: Liu Yuan
Source: THE GUARDIAN, 1/5/1993
 
HONG KONG -- China  said  yesterday  that it  will set up what  amounts to a
shadow  government to advise on the changes  needed for the 1997 transfer of
power over Hong Kong from Britain to China.
 
Lu Ping. the senior Chinese official responsible for the  colony's  affairs,
justified the move by saying "we took steps to protect ourselves."
 
He  warned  the people  of Hong  Kong that  if they  " confronted  China" by
supporting the plans of the  governor Chris  Patten for more democracy, they
"may have to face a lot of hardship."
 
Lu was speaking during an interview with a  Hong  Kong  television  station,
weaving a mixture of threats  and conciliatory  gestures together in a major
onslaught on the democracy proposals which will be debated by  the  colony's
legislature next month.
 
On the one hand Lu denied that the committee  China  proposes  to  establish
would be a shadow government or "second power centre.,' But on the other, he
stressed  the  intention to " affect the  British  authority  over Hong Kong
1997."
 
He talked of the need to "start anew" if the Hong Kong government  creates a
political system that does not conform with China's plans for the colony.
 
The bitter and deepening row over the governor's political reforms is now in
its  third month. Lu made no bones about the fact that the time had come for
China to counterattack.
 
He stressed that there had been no improvement in relations with Britain and
even  cast  doubt  over  a planned  meeting between the  Chinese and British
foreign ministers scheduled for March.
 
Lu dramatically pulled a piece of paper out of his pocket containing remarks
made  by  the  Chinesc foreign minister Qian Qichen. saying that the meeting
might not take place if Britain does not change its attitude over Hong Kong.
 
Lu then offered an olive  branch to  Hong Kong's  business  community  whose
confidence  was badly shaken by an earlier announcement that China might not
honor agreements and  contracts signed  between the government  and  private
companies  if  the British  government fails  to uphold what China maintains
are agreements over constitutional reforms.
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From: acli@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Ambrose Li)
Subject: Re: Question of a Last Name
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:07:22 GMT

According to my primary school teacher(s), compound Chinese surnames falls
into two kinds

(1) ancesters were court officials (e.g., seto)

(2) ancesters were foreigners (i.e. non-Chinese)
    (therefore the names would not make any sense)

perhaps there are more kinds that I don't know :)
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From: eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Humphrey Hui)
Subject: Re: Hong Kong Calendar
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:45:03 GMT

pmanne@math.uio.no (Per Manne) writes:

>I've got a HK calendar for 1993. The days marked in red are (I assume)
>official holidays. I can only figure out a few of them, and would like some
>help with the others. Please fill in the blanks!

>Jan. 1          New Year Day
>Jan. 22-25      Chinese New Year
>Apr. 5          Ching Ming
>Apr. 9-12       Easter

>June 12-14
Commonwealth day and queen's birthday(?)
One interesting thing: I remember having the queen's birthday on 2
different months for 2 years when I was studying in seconday school. 
Can anyone confirm that? Is it the power of being queen? -:)

>June 24
Dragon boat festival.

>Aug. 28-30
One of these must be the day commemorates HK got back freedom from
Japan during WWII. (Don't know the official name.)

>Oct. 1          National Day in China
Yes, it is the national day of PRC; but I think people in HK are having
the mid-autumn festival rather! It's still 1993; four years later, we
may have one such holiday! -:)

>Oct. 23
Chung Nguo ("Double Nine", sorry for the funny translation)

>Dec. 25-27      Christmas

>The list might be incomplete if there are any special days which fall on a
>sunday in 1993. Is this the case?
If a festival falls on sunday, the public holiday will either be a
weekday right before or after the holiday(s). The Chinese New Year is an
example of such case.
.
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From: Samuel.So@launchpad.unc.edu (Samuel So)
Subject: testing
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:45:01 GMT

the subject said it all.

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From: akwy@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Alan Kin Wah YIM)
Subject: Re: HKPA.SCENIC - New picture posting....
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:26:15 GMT

twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) writes:

>Hello all. I got the following email from Alvin. Since I haven't been
>back to HK for a long time, I don't really know. So I was wondering if
>anyone can confirm this, and/or give a more detail description so that I
>can update the index file. Or even change the name if we can settle on a
>proper approximate year. Thanks!
>_____________________________________________________________________

>>From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong)
>>
>>Hello everyone. Here is a new Hong Kong picture from the year just past...
>>
>>File:        hk1992b.gif
>>Description: View of Victoria Harbour from Victoria Peak
>>Resolution:  967 x 527 x 256 colors
>>Contributor: Fran(Wa Shing Kan) wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu

>Thomas,

>I maybe picky here, but with the absence of such landmark buildings
>like the Central Square and the Convention and Exhibition Centre, I
>think this picture comes from a pre-1990 view of Victoria Harbour.

>Also, I'm pretty certain that the picture is taken from the "viewing
>station" above Wan Chai instead of from Victoria Peak because of the
>clear view of Happy Valley race course.

>BTW, thanks for keeping the picture archive rolling; I wish I had a
>scanner at our site so I can contribute to the archive...

>And have a Happy New Year...

>--
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> Manufacturing Applications ....................... Redwood Shores, CA 94065
> Email: alaw@oracle.com ....... Voice: 415.506.3390 ...... Fax: 415.506.7299

I also agree Alvin's judgement. It should be taken before 1990.

Obviously, it's a view from Happy Valley. The buildings on the coast line
are those on Wan Chai. There're not many buildings along the coast line
though. I can only recognise Sun Hung Kai Centre, China Resource Centre
building (Wah Yun), and the "Eagle Centre" (Ying Kwan Centre, not sure the
exact English name). I think it was taken between 1986-1988.

Alan of HKPA.POPSTARS.
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From: Samson.Poon@f130.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Samson Poon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Pt 1/2: SCMP - 1/2/1993
Date: 8 Jan 1993 04:34:08 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hi Mr(s) unknown,

        I know that you're from CPHK and you can send messages to nesgroup. 
Would you mind telling me how to do that?  I am also a CP guy. Thank you.
You may also reply me thru' polylink/citylink at Stud. ID 92915763.

Best Regards,
?amson
P.S. If not necessary, pls don't send mail from internet to fidonet as it
will cost $$ from someone.  But it happens to e-mails.  I don't know if the
same policy (paying $$) is also applied to echomail/newsgroups.
CU in CP (althought I don't I may not recognized you, ha ha!)


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From: dwong@chopsuey.pico ( paganini's admirer )
Subject: Re: Car forsale
Reply-To: dwong@chopsuey.pico
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:58:01 GMT

..deleted...	
>
>	Just for a referece,
>	I happen to have a 86 Corolla GTS too (a black one though).
>I bought it 2 months ago with Can$3995 (plus tax). It had ~80k mi
>on it when I got the car. No air though..... but body very well
>kept...... It's indeed a very nice car..
>	but somehow, I don't like the transmission very much .... because I
>am just addicted to the unspeakable feeling of shifting the 
>transmission stick of VW cars.... :-)
>

I hope you are kidding about the VW std transmission: honestly, it is one of
worse German design...wasy too STIFF!  Oh the sales guys will always tell you
that it is because of the sporty gear ratio...But I think it is just bad design!

David W.


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Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:17010 soc.culture.taiwan:16975 soc.culture.china:34427
From: glin@cs.ubc.ca (Geng Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: lytx #12 header (Ottawa LYH Newsmagazine)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 11:19:23 -0800
Organization: Computer Science Dept, UBC, Vancouver, BC, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacific.cs.ubc.ca

test. please ignore.
From: Joseph.Lai@f261.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Joseph Lai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Airline Companies Addresses & Flying Schools
Date: 8 Jan 1993 04:21:32 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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I feel very interest in flying training. It is very difficult or even
impossible to get a flying licence in fair cost in Hong Kong. I would like to
know more about your school. If possible, please send me more information. My
address is: 171 Shatin Pass Road,
            Tsz Wan Shan,
            Kowloon, Hong Kong.
Best regards!
Joseph 

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Subject: Employment Possibilities
From: kash1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz(Kemp Ashby)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:43:12 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

Hi everyone. I am looking at going to Hong Kong later this year sometime, and
am interested in obtaining employment. What is the computer market like at the
moment?

I have an MSc(hons) in Computer science, 3 years as a TA (tutor), 6 months as a
research programmer at University, 6 months contract on ORACLE, and a year
as a Consultant/Analyst Programmer, mostly in C++/Windows. Other skills include
UNIX, C, RPG400, X25 LAN, OS/2, DOS, BASIC, Macintosh etc.

Are these sorts of skills in demand at all?

Thanks for any replies!

							Kemp.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: jiang@mpr.ca (Jie C. Jiang)
Subject: Re: Pay Range in HK
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 22:41:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.192243.8043@oracle.us.oracle.com> alaw@oracle.com writes:
>
>As compared to the US, which region are you talking about?  It varies a lot
>even along the Pacific coast line from Southern California to the Bay Area
>to the Pacific Northwest.  But in general, the gross pay would be slightly
>lower, but the take home pay, unless you're a US citizen/PR, would be
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>comparable.  Remember you are talking about a 30+% tax in US compared to
>a flat 15% in Hong Kong.
>

What difference will it make if I am a US/Canadian citizen/PR? Can anybody
enlighten me on this?

Thanks!

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ee_hflo@uxmail.ust.hk (Michael Lo Ho Fung)
Subject: Re: I need help !!!!
Organization: Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:47:15 GMT

Joel Labson (labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com) wrote:
: Can anybody write me a small procedure on how to hook up my system to
: the network...I have a 386 Zenith laptop with DOS & Word perfect

	Please tell me more detail about the network Opertion system using
in your company. Decnet,SNA,Novell,Apple-talk or....

: install, 40MB HD...

: What hardware/Software do I still need to be able to get in this
: network...

	You must use a network module (may be ethernet) plug into the parallel
port of your laptop. Software ? I don't know, because you don't tell me
what network opertion system your are using in your campany.

: I am using the companies machine now, but not for long, my contract is
: almost over...so I'd like to hook up my laptop so I can continue the
: communication...

: THANKS In advance--------Mr. Novice in everything...
: -- 
: Thank You Very Much  
: Joel R. Labson X5852
: labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com

Michael Lo

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From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Information About Best Chinese Plastic Surgeon Available.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:57:08 GMT


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Subject: Re: Internet in Hong Kong
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:30:09 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.

911288c@axe.acadiau.ca (HON (EDWIN) KIN CHUNG) writes:

> 
> 
> hello... Would you like to give me more information for the internet
> in hongkong...
> like phone number ...etc

 
 Ditto. I am looking for a connection there for a commercial site as
 well. I have sent mail to hkuni but they have not responded.


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From: cwlng@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Mahjong game
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:12:47 GMT
Reply-To: cwlng@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: cwlng@happy.cc.utexas.edu


In article <1993Jan7.011251.7690@ctp.com> rjen@ctp.com (Robert Jen) writes:
>MAHJONG FOR ONE is an authentic mahjong game as played by the Chinese.  It is
>not a solitaire game like Taipei or Shanghai, which use mahjong tiles but
>otherwise have no resemblance to this real fascinating ancient Chinese game.
>
I downloaded this game and brought it up to see if it was good.
The game has no graphics for the tiles so you would not have a
real feel about mahjong. Because of that I didn't bother to
play it so I am not in a position to assess if the game is good
or not. I will leave it to someone who has the patience to play it
to give us an evaluation. any volunteers?

I happen to have an authentic mahjong game too. This game has all
tile graphics. eg. for bamboo, mann, and circles(tung), as well as the
east, south, west, north wind tiles are all in chinese characters.
For the wind tiles there also is a letter on it (e.g. east has
a chinese character and an E on it, exactly like a real
mahjong tile withoug the E) so that non-Chinese players
can also play the game. It is also a shareware and was written
in 1985 (I think) for CGA color graphics. So when I am playing it
in my EGA monitor the top and bottom few lines do not show. But
that does not inhibit the game at all. It's not perfect since
it was written so long ago but it is the closest one I've ever
seen (not that I've seen many, afterall nothing could beat a
real mahjong game anyway).

I am quite happy to upload it to an ftp site if someone can show
me how to do it and which site.

Chris
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