From: WHITESR@APPSTATE.EDU (Steve White)
Subject: Re: $$  WARNING  !!!!! (some personal opinions only)  
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:04:00 GMT
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In <1992Aug29.162121.26751@lester.appstate.edu> WHITESR@APPSTATE.EDU writes:

> In <BtpBKt.n2r@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> cyor@logos.uwaterloo.ca writes:
> 
> > 			WARNING !!!!!
> >  
> > If you don't want to lose your money, please read the following:
> > 
> > This is in regard to a company called "SECOND WAVE" in Texas, Austin who
> > claimed that their NB4 Expansion box will allow the IIsi to work with
> > accelerator card such as the Radius Rocket.
> > 
* * *


In light of the positive experiences posted by johnston@me.udel.edu,
perhaps the content of my earlier posting (below) is not applicable. 
On the one hand, I suppose that one allegation of fraud does not establish
the fraud or that the company is bad. On the other hand, I suppose that 
one positive experience does not disprove the allegation of fraud.
Of course, in any US criminal case, until enough evidence establishes
the fraud, the company has no burden of disprove it.

Steve
Saturday, August 29, 1992 1:02 PM EDT
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| Stephen R. White                    |                                |
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> 
> As a FORMER Florida prosecutor who enjoyed prosecuting bastards
> like you describe (assuming that you can prove the details
> that you describe), some "humble" advice (these are my personal
> opinions only; this is "friendly" advice, NOT legal advice):
> 
> CONSIDER DOING THE FOLLOWING:
> 1. (Assuming that you still don't have the refund) if you paid for
> the stuff with a credit card, call your credit card bank and tell
> them that you are contesting the charge, then fill out the forms
> that the bank sends you.
> 
> 2. Keep a record of EVERYTHING. Copies of all letters. Make notes of
> the contents of all phone calls, the more details the better, dates,
> times, contents, names. If at all possible, make the notes
> IMMEDIATELY after the phone call etc. Make the notes in your
> own handwriting so that you can easily identify them later.
> Date and time the notes as well as the event that they describle.
> Send mail certified.
> 
> 3. If you have not done it already, reduce the essential details to
> writing and send the details to the company via certified mail. In
> the letter, not only narrate the history of your plight but also
> demand your money back NOW (assuming that #1 does not apply).
> 
> If you REALLY want to pursue this further, CONSIDER:
> 4. Contact the prosecutor in the city in which this business
> is located. You might also consider contacting the police there;
> most big cities have a fraud division per se or least handle fraud
> as a part of their larceny/theft division. You might consider
> contacting the state prosecutor and the federal prosecutor (US
> attorney). These agencies may already be working on the suspect,
> and then they can add your case to the investigation.
> 
> 5. Contact the Attorney General of the state in which the business
> is located. Some attorneys general can do some stuff that
> local law enforcement can't, eg, shutting down the business.
> 
> If you can't prove your allegations, consider disregarding all of
> the above!!
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Steve
> Saturday, August 29, 1992 12:03 PM EDT
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> |       [The above are nothing more than my personal opinions.]        |
> | Stephen R. White                    |                                |
> | Department of Political Science/    |                                |
> |     Criminal Justice                |  WHITESR@APPSTATE              |
> | Appalachian State University        |  WHITESR@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU   |
> | Boone, NC 28608                     |  Voice: 704-262-6167 (OFFICE)  |
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