From: dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: Re: Observations
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:41:15 GMT
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chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall) writes:
: . . .
: This is especially clear in the abortion debate. It appears to me
: that most of the people involved want to ban abortion for one of
: two reasons: Because such a ban would compel everyone to conform
: to their narrowly-defined views on sexuality, or because they can't
: personally imagine a situation where they would want an abortion, 
: so they assume that no one else really wants one either.
: 
: (There is also a small minority who make the argument that fetuses
: have rights. I don't have any complaint with this, as long as they
: understand that this argument either prohibits rape-and-incest 
: exceptions, or denies the "Right to Equal Protection Under Law".)
: 
: So, which side are you on, man?
: 

Much of what you said earler was good and interesting.  But, what you wrote
above would cause me to ask if you have considered what you have said whether
or not it is true.  I find that nearly everyone who is pro-life is pro-life
because they value the life and rights of the unborn.  They may wish for
people to conform to traditional values regarding sexuality, and they may not
be able to imagine a situation where they would want an abortion, but to say
that this is the cause of their pro-life stance just does not seem right.

: Stoopid analogy time: Suppose I packed one of those strap-on 
: "pregnancy simulators" with dynamite and strapped it onto you.
: I explained that it would detonate if you tried to remove it,
: unless you disarmed it first. Suppose I then laughed maniacally,
: waved the circuit diagram in your face, and told you that I'd mail
: it to you in three months.
: 
: If the only other way you could get the diagram was to kill
: me and take it, would you be justified in doing so? After all,
: you'd only be suffering three months of discomfort and inconvenience,
: with little risk of permanent damage.
: 

Try setting up a "pregnancy simulator abortion center" and see how many
protesters you will find.  The value of the child is the driving force
behind the pro-life movement.  Almost none of the pregnancies that are
terminated in abortion centers are pregnancies resulting from rape.
Sure, rape happens and it is a gross violation of women's rights, but
abortion centers do not survive on the funds derived from abortions due
to rape.  Abortion centers survive on the funds of those who choose to
use abortion as a last-ditch method of birth control when others have
failed or have failed to be used.  The baby did not get there by someone
strapping him or her to the outside of the woman with a bomb.  Nearly
every child arrives in the womb due to the wilfully exercised passions
between a woman and a man, and in any case, the baby is not at fault.

On a slightly different topic, have any of you seen the Nightline interview
of Bailey who is running for Congress on a pro-life platform?  Apparently
he has taken hold of the law prohibiting the television censorship of
campaign ads and has used it to bring to the people in full color a clear
view of the products of abortion.  A living, smiling baby was shown first
followed by a shrivled up late-term aborted baby, slightly brown and slightly
pale slumped over in a corner.  Tiny, bloody hands and feet were shown.
Someone--perhaps a physician--using white plastic tweezers reassembled a
small child on an off-white board--a leg here, an arm there, half a head
with an eye still in place over on the upper right, etc.

One man was suing over the distress this could bring to children, however
he didn't have an answer for why these ads were being singled out instead
of other grotesque shows on T.V.  A pro-choice feminist challenged the
honesty of his ads saying that a tiny fetus was blown up to cover the whole
screen.  But what could be said?  It was there in color for the world to
see.

I believe these ads are beginning to spread and are here and there in spotted
places in several states across the country.  Do any of you have any thoughts
on this and what is likely to become of it?
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