From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Ye Great Sinners
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:17:01 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep28.184507.15531@pdn.paradyne.com>, nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson) writes:
> In article <1992Sep27.144245.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Sep26.162026.7098@iscsvax.uni.edu>, marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>> In article <15707@umd5.umd.edu>, twisted@bessel.umd.edu (Rick MacKinnon) writes:
>>> 
>>>> "And Bartholomew begat Shazera" (Gen. 6:14)  Does this tell you nothing 
>>>> of your
>>> 
>>> Genesis 6:14 states, "So make yourself an ark of cypress wood; make rooms
>>> in it and coat it with pitch inside and out."
>> 
>>Uh-uh.  It was gopherwood.  You are wrong.
> 
> 
> My bible says cypress wood, too; but neither here nor there, marshall
> misquoted Genesis when he spoke of Bartholomew and Shazera.

I suggest you learn to read followups more accurately; twisted and not marshall
gave the "misquote." Marshall is the one offering "corrected" quotes.

> That is not to be found in Gen 6:14, where was it found originally?

I suspect it may be found in the Newer New Revised Bobo the Clown Translation;
this exciting new text is believed to be the one most closely approximating the
meaning intended by the Word of God (TM).
 
>>God couldn't turn a turnip into a  tomato.
> 
> 
> Too long of a debate to discuss here.

Why? Are you not truly up to it? Because I am.
  
>>> Ecclesiastes 5:14 states, "or wealth lost through some misfortune, so that
>>> when he has a son there is nothing left for him."  
>>
>>Wrong again; It says: "As he came forth from his mother's womb, so again shall
>>he depart, naked as he came, having nothing from his labor that he can carry
>>in his hand."  You *must* have the censored version.
> 
> 
> You are both right (sort of - at least in the same part of the bible), Ecc.
> 5:14 states "or wealth lost through some misfortune, so that when he has a
> ^^^^
> son there is nothing left for him.
> 
> Ecc 5:15 states "Naked a man comes from his mother's womb, and as he comes,
> ^^^^^^^^
> so he departs.  He takes nothing from his labor that he can carry in his
> hand."
> Please, if you are going to quote something, at least reference the correct
> verses so we all can look it up correctly.

I said it to Marshall and I'll say it to you:  we repeated what we found in
Ecclesiastes 5:14. We could as easily fault both of you for quoting the wrong
verse.

But I find it more informative to ponder for a moment on the implications. What
happened to our missing verse? Or is your version contaminated by later
insertions that our translator was clever enough to spot?
 
>>> John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son,
>>> that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
>>> 
>>> At least you got one verse partly correct.
>>
>>However, you are in error (as usual).  The real words from It:
>                                            ^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> 
> To say one is in ERROR, assumes that both parties have the same origin of
> study. It appears that marshall's translation is someone different than the
> one Rick (or I) have so such an assumption is false.

A clarification here:  I understand you to mean by Marshall the first person to
quote "correctly" and Rick (who made the original post) to be the one with the
Newer New Revised Bobo the Clown Translation (i.e. the one you both are
disputing).

> Why do you say that
> yours are the REAL WORDS?  Such a statement indicates that others are
> incorrect and yours is the only truth.  Why is yours the correct version and
> all other incorrect?  It all lies in the translation.  

Ah, he grasps the Point.

Yes, it all lies in what you're reading, doesn't it? How are we to know what's
right and what's not? Why, it's even possible that I might take my _The Holy
Bible_ to a _The Holy Bible_-reading session and when we started reading
Ecclesiastes, I would end up reading a different verse because I am using The
Wrong Translation (gasp!) How embarrassing!
 
>>"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who
>>believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life."
>>                ^^^^^ ^^^            ^^^^^
>>
>>My other _The Holy Bible_ says (John 3:16):
>>"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
>>whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
>>                           ^^^^^^ ^^^
>>
>>I find it interesting how a couple words can make a great difference in how
>>one is led.
> 
> 
> I agree, but thank God that we are not to rely on the "words" in themself, 
> but by the Holy Spirit who leads us.

How do you know that it is truly the Holy Spirit as you claim, and not Satan
misleading you?

How do you know that it isn't all in your imagination?

Because it is written in _The Bible_? But that's exactly what's in question
right now.
 
> Whats the problem? Both are quoting the same scripture, only in one, the word 
> "woman" is left out in one (I think that Rick made a mistake there) and 
> "Samaritans" has been interchanged with "people".  When you are referring to
> the "Truth", both verses are saying the SAME THING!  The fact remains the
> the original posting by marshall is riddled with misquotes and thus the
> rebuttal by Rick.

I just realized something:  perhpas when you are saying "Rick" you really mean
"Rick" and when you say "Marshall" you really mean "Marshall"! You *do* have
the Newer New Revised Bobo the Clown Translation after all! You *do* agree with
the original post!

After all, it's all jsut a matter of interpretation, isn't it?
  
>>And how many have been led astray by all the translations of _The Holy Bible_
>>which were slightly "off"?  (Why, the answer is simple, Xians say:  "None; God
>>would not allow His Word to be Misquoted!")  Xians are blind to the world 
>>about them, carving new venues in the realms of Ill-logic. . .right? 
>>Silence will be interpreted as the Holy Yes.
> 
> 
> Not true, the bible has been misquoted since the early days of its origin 
> and has been misquoted up to this day - see marshall's original post.  

If it's being misquoted up to this day, how are we to know that any given
translation isn't a misquote?
 
>>It is written:  "They who quoteth ye Bible in the name of God quoteth
>>nonsense."
> 
> 
> And it is written that: 
> 
>         "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
>          correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God
>          may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
>                                                             2 Tim. 3:16, 17

But is it the correct translation?
 
>>Know ye, God has had a profound effect on my life.  He has taught me His Way 
>>for He has told Me His Secret.  The real Truth is that He was Lying all along;
>>He was fabricated by Its Creators in order to control Its Worshippers. I see 
>>His Light and I am pleased; We are all Doomed for there is no Heaven and 
>>there is no Hell; we prey for Nothing:  Death itself. 
>>
>>--Shaitan & Semhaza--
> 
> 
> What a light cheery thought!  :-)

Really brightened your day, huh?
 
> My love to all of you in Christ Jesus, Amen.
> 
> 
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