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From: gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette)
Newsgroups: ne.seminars,ne.housing,ne.politics
Subject: CHILDHOOD LEAD POISONING PREVENTION
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:08:11 GMT
Organization: Mitech Corporation, Concord MA

NEW ISSUES & INFORMATION IN CHILDHOOD LEAD POISONING PREVENTION
                 "THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY"

FRIDAY, SEPTMBER 25, 1992 AT THE HYNES CONFERENCE CENTER, BOSTON

[Editorial note: This conference is a bargain of information.
                 Costing over $25000 to run, but you can get in for $29.
                 Equivalent for-profit run seminars would be $500 and up]

This conference focuses on new research and developments in the field of
childhood lead poisoning prevention. The broad spectrum of material is
invaluable to Housing Professionals, Home Owners, Lenders, Insurers,
Attorneys, Realtors, Building Trades, and Health Professionals.

If you ever thought about the need to remove lead paint, this conference
is designed for you.

REGISTRATION: Send name and check for $29 to MASS. RENTAL HOUSING ASS'N, INC.
                                             PO BOX 4960, HOLYOKE MA 01041
              Or call 413-536-2109
              Or register from 8am to 9am at the Hynes.

[TOPICS WILL INCLUDE:]

* The new Minnesota law that -prohibits- removal of intact lead paint.
  (e.g. MASS law -requires- what Minnesota considered illegal)
* Encapsulation: Lead paint abatement of a dwelling for as little as $100
* Lead and it relationship to intelligence
* Isotopic analysis to pinpoint the -true- sources of lead poisoning
* common-sense ways of limiting exposure

[PROGRAM]
8-9am Registration
9-5pm conference speakers
5-8pm continued exhibition of encapsulants, etc.

Speakers include:

Howard M Sandler, MD. "Causation and exposure issues."

Clair B. Ernhardt, Ph.D, Prof. Dep't of Psychiatry and Reproductive Biology
Case Western Reserve. "Effects of low levels of lead on children"

Carmen D. Buell, House CHair, Committee on Health Care, Mass. Legislature.
"Keynote Address"

Colin D. Penney. President - Hampden Paint Mfg. Inc. 
"Encapsulation: The safe Approach"

Raymond Barnes, Ph.d Prof at Umass Amherst. 
"Using lead isotopic analysis for source identification"

And others...

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Newsgroups: ne.seminars
From: bloom@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Raymond M. Bloom)
Subject: New England Users of VM Fall Meeting
Summary: Wed., September 9th at Lombardo's, Randolph, MA
Organization: Ada Systems Division, Intermetrics, Inc.
Distribution: ne
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:42:34 GMT

	On Wednesday, September 9, 1992, New England Users of VM will hold
its Fall meeting [there was no Summer meeting] at Lombardo's in Randolph,
Mass.  The meeting fee is $25 at the door [too late for preregistration].
Lombardo's will put on their usual superb luncheon.

	The topics for this meeting are:

	o  VM Strategic Directions - Part II

		Gerry Hackett, a third-level VM manager in IBM Endicott,
		will continue her fascinating discussion on future
		directions that VM might take.  (Gerry's previous talk
		on VM Strategic Directions in February 1992 was
		considered to be the best and most interesting IBM
		presentation given in the last five years.)

		Gerry will also discuss what's new in VM/ESA 1.2.

	o  Automated Operations in VM

		Chris Bolinger, the VM Product Manager at System Center,
		will discuss how various System Center products can assist
		customers in automating their data center activities.
		Many detailed examples will illustrate Chris's presentation.

	o  XPATH

		David Richmond, President of Enhanced Software Products,
		will provide a technical overview of his company's XPATH
		product.  This product allow direct disk-to-disk file
		transfer between VM and MVS/VSE, [sic] with no spooling
		or other prerequisites.  The latest release adds the
		ability for VM/CMS applications written in REXX or other
		high-level languages to access datasets (e.g. VSAM or DL/1)
		in the MVS or VSE system, directly or through CICS, with
		full read and write capabilities.

	o  VM/ESA: A New VM User's Installation Experiences

		Dan Moshief, one of our own NEUVMers, will discuss what
		VM did to him when he sysgened VM/ESA for the first time.
		Anyone else with VM/ESA installation experiences is
		cordially invited to put in your 2 cents worth at this
		session.


	If you have any questions about this meeting, please call Luke
Marvin at Analog Devices (617) 461-3830, Ben Pettersson at Amdahl
(617) 890-8484, or Jim Hughes at Systems and Communications Inc.
(508) 486-5965.



					Sincerely,

					Jim Hughes
					President


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				AGENDA


 8:30 -  9:00	Refreshments and Registration

 9:00 -  9:10	Welcome and Announcements
		Jim Hughes, NEUVM President, Systems and Communications Inc.

 9:10 - 10:15	XPATH
		David Richmond, Enhanced Software Products

10:15 - 10:30	Break

10:30 - 12:00	Automated Operations in VM
		Chris Bolinger, System Center

12:00 -  1:15	Lunch

 1:15 -  3:15	VM Strategic Directions - Part II
		Gerry Hackett, IBM Endicott

 3:15 -  3:30	Break

 3:30 -  4:00	VM/ESA: A New VM User's Installation Experience
		Dan Moshief, Systems and Communications, Inc.

 4:00 -  4:30	VM Problem Roundtable
From: marston@coos.dartmouth.edu (David Marston)
Newsgroups: ne.seminars
Subject: Northern New England UNIX User Group
Keywords: UNIX security panel discussion
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:40:09 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: marston@coos.dartmouth.edu

On Wednesday, September 30, the Northern New England UNIX User Group (NNEUUG)
will hold a symposium on contemporary UNIX security at Dartmouth College.
At this time, our panel consists of:

Matt Bishop, Dartmouth professor and organizer of Usenix security conferences
Simson Garfinkel, co-author of _Practical_UNIX_Security_
Jeff Glass, security architect of Digital's Ultrix MLS+
Darryl Wagoner, security consultant and security contest prizewinner

(Each of these panelists has more extensive qualifications that are omitted
for brevity.) Questions about security tools and practices of general
interest are welcome.

The meeting will take place at 7:30 PM in the Filene Auditorium on the
Dartmouth campus in Hanover, NH. Filene is in the building next to the
Kiewit Computation Center. Refreshments will most likely be served.

DIRECTIONS: If coming north on I-89, take Exit 18 and follow the signs about
5 miles to Dartmouth. If coming south on I-89, take the exit for I-91 north
and read the next sentence. If coming north or south on I-91, take Exit 13
and follow the signs to Dartmouth. When in Hanover, look for the campus
and the green/common in the center. North of that is Baker Library, the
tallest building in town (and it has clocks on it), and the computer
center and Bradley/Gerry buildings are behind it to the north. Filene is
in the Bradley/Gerry complex. There should be signs posted.
.................David Marston          uunet!dartvax!coos!marston
                                        marston@coos.dartmouth.EDU
From: dme@cs.bu.edu (David Evans)
Newsgroups: ne.seminars
Subject: Boston Combined Schedule
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:37:29 GMT

Notices for meetings and lectures within the next 14 days
Events recently publicized are excluded.
We have no other information about these events; some, however,
have a phone number or address for additional details or confirmation.

  Wed 23 Sep  7:00 pm  Auditorium, Open Software Foundation, 11 Cambridge
Center, Cambridge (corner of Binney St. and Broadway near Kendall Square)
"A Plethora of Projects: sampling of projects currently in process in the
Boston area"  Host: Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility
For Info: Coralee at 617-252-0600 #3312.

  Thu 24 Sep  4:15 pm  Room 518, 545 Tech Sq, Cambridge
Speaker: Christos Papadimitriou U. California, San Diego
"INEFFICIENT EXISTENCE PROOFS AND COMPLEXITY"
Host: MIT Lab for Computer Science, Theory of Computation Group

  Fri 25 Sep  8:30 am  Northeastern University in Boston
"One-Day Faculty Workshop on Visualization and Laboratories as Instructional
Medium in Computer Science Curriculum"
Host: College of Computer Science at Northeastern University in Boston
Register: Viera K. Proulx, College of Computer Science, Northeastern
University, Boston, MA 02115 <vkp@corwin.ccs.northeastern.edu>
Admission/registration charge: $15.00
Newsgroups: ne.politics
From: dlw@odi.com (Dan Weinreb)
Subject: Re: Lotus as a public charity
Reply-To: dlw@odi.com
Organization: Object Design, Inc.
	<2798822096@dwetzel.mis.stratus.com>
	<1992Sep9.124703.759@miki.pictel.com> <BZS.92Sep10181505@ussr.std.com>
	<2697@mitech.com> <BZS.92Sep11200822@ussr.std.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 05:31:21 GMT

In article <BZS.92Sep11200822@ussr.std.com> bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:

   If their point is, as it seems to be, screw everyone else but we're
   going for a break and the rest can pay even higher taxes for all we
   care then they should be treated in kind, ie, selfishly and without
   concern for their needs.

I don't know what Lotus is saying, but the usual theme in this kind of
negotiation is that the city or town wants to attract business in
order to increase its tax base.  Along those lines, one might expect
Lotus to argue that they increase the total tax revenues of Cambridge
for any of several possible reasons: (1) the taxes Lotus pay directly;
(2) their presence encourages people to move to Cambridge to work for
Lotus, and those people pay taxes; (3) they provide jobs in Cambridge,
providing employment for people in Cambridge, eventually resulting in
more tax revenue; (4) the Lotus employees might be expected to
patronize local shops and restaurants and bars and whatever,
additioally boosting the local economy and increasing taxes; and so on
to more indirect effects.  Naturally, all this gets more difficult to
quantify the more indirect it gets.  Presumably Lotus would argue that
the tax cuts they want are smaller than the tax benefits they provide.

Is there anyone here from InterLeaf who might know what considerations
went into their decision to move out to Route 128?  They were formerly
located not far from where most of Lotus is now, in Cambridge.

Note that Lotus's monetary incentives don't only have to do with
taxes.  They'll be looking a lot at rent, which is often cheaper in
suburbs.  Ditto the cost of providing parking.  Minus the cost to
employees of not having public transportation.
From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: Lotus as a public charity
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:42:22 GMT
	<53083@dime.cs.umass.edu>
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <53083@dime.cs.umass.edu> yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken) writes:

   In article <ART.92Sep8105249@world.std.com> art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) writes:

[...]

   >There is something wrong in Lotus wanting concessions to keep its payroll
   >in Cambridge?  Lotus owes nothing, zero, zip, nada to Cambridge.  If
   >Lotus doesn't like the way Cambridge does things they are free to pack up
   >and go to some place that does things more to their liking.
   ...
   >Then just let them go.  I'm sure that Reading or Natick or Athol would be
   >glad to see them.

   Have you ever been to Athol? 

Matter of fact I have, why do you ask?
From: gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: Germany's Successful Social Programs
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:33:50 GMT
Organization: Mitech Corporation, Concord MA

In article <1992Sep08.205227.87833@kronos.com>, richb@kronos.com (Rich Braun) writes:
> Wonder if us poverty-stricken Americans will be welcomed with open arms?

Well, the official federal poverty-level is an income of $14K a year
for a family of 4.

I wonder what $38 dollars a day will buy in Mexico?

-gjc
From: usenet@transfer.stratus.com (Mr. Network News)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: Lotus as a public charity
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:31:54 GMT
Reply-To: Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com
Organization: Dave_Wetzel

In article <1992Sep11.180148.1002@miki.pictel.com> boba@miki.pictel.com 
(Bob Alexander) writes:
> Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com writes:

> What is your definition of "subsidy?"

I was working this from your definition of subsidy.  Weren't you the one 
who said that a subsidy was taking money from one person to give to 
another?

Ignoring the very tempting urge to burn your butt for the Orwellian 
nonsense, let me just say that a tax cut is a subsidy when the cut affects 
only one organization.  You can hide behind whatever dictionary you like 
for literal meanings, but when you raise taxes on all the businesses in 
cambridge to pay the "tax cut" to lotus, that's a subsidy.

If lotus were to say "we're leaving if you don't lower the tax rate to all 
businesses" then I'd call it a tax cut.  It's pretty clear they don't give 
a shit where the money comes from as long as it goes to them.

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Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com
Newsgroups: ne.politics
From: boba@miki.pictel.com (Bob Alexander)
Subject: Re: Lotus as a public charity
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:39:27 GMT

Barry Shein writes:
>Put another way, you're trying to draw a fine distinction between $10
>put in my pocket (that I didn't have before) because I paid $100 in
>taxes but the govt granted me back $10, versus $10 in my pocket
>because the govt decided to take only $90, As a special case to me, to
>exact some specific behavior from me. I assure you, as a
>businessperson, I would not make that distinction. $10 more in my
>pocket is $10 more in my pocket.

You're leaving out the part about services received from the government,
which is central to my point.  Without considering services, discussion
of subsidies is futile.

The "fine distinction" I'm making is supported by the dictionary.
I'll be blunt: those who support taxes would benefit from blurring
the distinction between tax cuts and subsidies, since it is easier to
argue against subsidies than tax cuts.  They blur this distinction
with Orwellian tactics, i.e. they try to alter the meaning of english
words so that certain concepts can no longer be expressed.

And now, a non-sequiter:

>>One of my favorite authors, Robert Heinlein, believed you should
>>always do your duty.  But he also said that you should not let others
>>define for you what your duty is.  
>
>That's very nice. I just saw a movie based on one of his novels from
>back around 1960. It was very comical, especially the way these guys
>who are the first to land on the moon get in an argument over where
>the best landing site is by looking out the window and shouting their
>opinions at each other as the rocket plummets to the surface. What a
>visionary...

I know of no movie based on any of Heinlein's stories.  Also, the behavior
you describe is not at all typical of Heinlein's characters.  Please
identify the movie and the story.  Then we can see how much is
Heinlein and how much is Hollywood.

>Oh well, I suppose I should go buy a copy of Danielle Steele and see
>if *she* has anything cogent to say on the matter to counterpoint
>with...

Your comments about Heinlein border on being an ad hominem attack.
You have said nothing that refutes his thoughts on duty.

     Bob Alexander                                     boba@pictel.com
       The more the government does, the better libertarianism looks
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From: usenet@transfer.stratus.com (Mr. Network News)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: Lotus as a public charity
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:34:56 GMT
Reply-To: Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com
Organization: Dave_Wetzel

In article <1992Sep8.170315.600@miki.pictel.com> boba@miki.pictel.com (Bob 
Alexander) writes:
> In article <Bu8nH2.ArC@world.std.com> geer@world.std.com (Dan Geer) 
writes:
...
> >to question whether this subsidy ($800,000 per year for 15 years, plus
> >the regulatory and housing costs)
> 
> What subsidy?  A subsidy when the gov't takes money from one group of
> people and gives it to another.  A tax cut allows a corporation or
> individual to keep money they honestly earned.

Though I agree with much of what Bob A says here (Lotus has the right to 
ask for anything they want, just like Cambrige has the right to reject 
their requests), I thought this was wrong.  If Cambrige gives a tax cut to 
Lotus, then the revenues lost will have to come from somewhere.  It will 
probably come in the form of increased taxes on residents and other 
businesses.  In effect, you'd be taking from one group of people to give 
to Lotus.


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Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com
From: gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Don't forget. Cambridge lost 14% of its people '60=>'90
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:55:55 GMT
Organization: Mitech Corporation, Concord MA


Here is a "fact to not forget" when thinking about the issues
around "Lotus possibly getting out of Cambridge".

According to U.S. Census figures, Cambridge has lost 14% of its population
from 1960 to 1990. Going down from 95,776 to 81,769.

Where did these 14 thousand people go? Who were they?

The population loss slowed in the 1980's, but who is to say
that it will not start picking up again in the 1990's?

The political and economic environment may be right again for
further losses of jobs and people.




-gjc
From: tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: Germany's Successful Social Programs
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:17:48 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Sep08.205227.87833@kronos.com>, richb@kronos.com (Rich Braun) writes:
> [...]
> theirs as well, it'll be interesting to see how Americans feel about
> anti-immigration policies enforced at the borders of those other more
> sensibly-run countries.

Most countries are already far more restrictive than the U.S. in terms
of allowing immigration. That already happened to me in the country I
grew up in - Once I left to go to college, I *couldn't* go back.

The U.S. is one of the few countries that allows relatively free immigration
if you have a job offer. There are quotas per country, but a number of
countries don't fill their quotas and thus their citizens have roughly
hassle-free entry into the country.
-- 
         Tarl Neustaedter	tarl@sw.stratus.com
         Marlboro, Mass.	Stratus Computer
Disclaimer: My employer is not responsible for my opinions.
Newsgroups: ne.politics
From: boba@miki.pictel.com (Bob Alexander)
Subject: Re: Lotus as a public charity
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:47:03 GMT

>> What subsidy?  A subsidy when the gov't takes money from one group of
>> people and gives it to another.  A tax cut allows a corporation or
>> individual to keep money they honestly earned.
>
>            I thought this was wrong.  If Cambrige gives a tax cut to 
>Lotus, then the revenues lost will have to come from somewhere.  It will 
>probably come in the form of increased taxes on residents and other 
>businesses.  In effect, you'd be taking from one group of people to give 
>to Lotus.

Let's say Lotus pays $1M in taxes and receives $0.5M in city services.  That
means that Lotus is subsidizing others.  If Lotus' taxes are cut to $0.75M,
Lotus is not receiving a $0.25M subsidy.  In fact, it's still paying a
$0.25M subsidy.  Regardless of what happens to everyone else's taxes, Lotus
is not being subsidized.  (BTW, these are not the real numbers.)

If the city chooses to raise everyone else's taxes rather than reduce
spending to match revenue, then that's a separate decision.
Presumably, the city has prioritized its spending desires and
decided that the least important item on the budget is still more
important than allowing citizens to keep their money.  Citizens should
either accept the decision or protest to the city council.  Since
Lotus has no control over city spending, it is inappropriate to
scapegoat them.

     Bob Alexander                                     boba@pictel.com
       The more the government does, the better libertarianism looks
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     other employees of PictureTel.

Newsgroups: ne.politics,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc
From: dlw@odi.com (Dan Weinreb)
Subject: Re: Efficiency
Reply-To: dlw@odi.com
Organization: Object Design, Inc.
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 05:21:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.175448.5371@kronos.com> richb@kronos.com (Rich Braun) writes:

   Your posting just gave me another thought, one which could be truly
   scary:  by comparison with the $4 trillion _government_ debt, I wonder
   how much is collectively owed by American individuals and corporations?
   This is a figure I've not seen before, and it could be of such a
   magnitude that we're in even deeper trouble than is cited in the media.

As it happens, I just worked out this number, for 1983 anyway, based
on some figures from a 1983 Federal Reserve report on wealth
distribution.  If I did it right, total national wealth is about $11 trillion.

Xref: sparky ne.politics:2326 alt.politics.clinton:5002 alt.politics.bush:4789 talk.politics.misc:44932
From: richb@kronos.com (Rich Braun)
Newsgroups: ne.politics,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Efficiency
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:54:48 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Kronos Inc. / Waltham, MA
Disclaimer: This posting is a personal opinion and not that of Kronos Inc.

borden@m5.harvard.edu writes:
>How much of the national debt is owed to banks and individuals outside the
>country?  What kind of interest is the government paying on it?

Your posting just gave me another thought, one which could be truly
scary:  by comparison with the $4 trillion _government_ debt, I wonder
how much is collectively owed by American individuals and corporations?
This is a figure I've not seen before, and it could be of such a
magnitude that we're in even deeper trouble than is cited in the media.

(The $4 trillion amounts to roughly $40,000 per US family.  Personal
debt probably amounts to $20,000 per household, but corporate debt may
be far larger.)

Another figure which might be interesting is the sum total of state and
local government long-term debt.  I'm sure these figures are posted in
the back of stuffy investment-bond journals, but they ought to be given
greater visibility.

-rich