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From: ric@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ricardo.g.irvin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas Quickies
Summary: "..., and watch the GIAANTS play football."
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:11:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <182lk3INN4s1@news.aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>
>Giants player Bobby Abrhams who is 6-3 230 and a 4th year player out
>of Michigan.  In all cases I cannot find a football magazine that says
>anything about him other than he is a "backup", and Pro Football
>Weekly went so far as to say (paraphrased) "Bobby Abrahms did little
>to excite filling in for (Lawrence) Taylor".  Who is this guy?
>....
>If anyone can shed light on this and/or Bobby Abrams, please do...
>*ice*

Bobby Abrahms joined the GIANTS as a Free Agent (out of I beleive Michigan)
4 years ago, Bill Parcells really liked him ("he's a hard worker"). As for 
being a backup LB on the GIANTS, it hard to get any reps in a game because 
the GIANTS LB usually play every down of every game. So, Bobby never had 
a chance. 
But he is a GREAT specials man (which is why Dallas, I think, picked him up).
The GIANTS 2nd year players Kanavis McGee &  Cory Miller/Waidmer(SP?) has come
on strong this preseason, making Bobby expandable as a backup LB and the GIANTS
now have another big hitter on specials (Lamar McGriggs(SP?) )..

My opinion of Bobby is, given the chance to play, he could have become a 
very good LB, he pursue the run well and have a few pass rush moves. 
He is a very very good hitter.

I also think Dallas will 'milk' him for what he knows about the GIANTS new
defenseive scheme 8{D.

			RIC. IRVIN
			AT&T BELL LABORATORIES.

"TOUCHDOWN !!!! ... just kidding Dad! " my son at 18 months.

"In football, good hitting usually beats good pitching."

"... Lawrence Taylor was all over him... like syrup on pancakes." John Madden.

"...This Game is being broadcast in stereo..." Pat Summerall.
"...What does spit sound like in stereo? "	John Madden.

			PEACE.
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From: rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald D Rodabaugh)
Subject: Re: Help on Television BlackOut Rules
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Summary: Time limit on TV blackout lift
Keywords: 24 hours
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:47:23 GMT

In article <STEVES.92Aug27085008@kuwait.gdfwc3> steves@gdfwc3 (Steve Strauss) w
rites:
>In article <BtMKMy.L30@acsu.buffalo.edu> v134junv@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Donal
d A Martin) writes:
>
>>      My girlfriend and I have been at this for a year.  What exactly are
>>   the requirements for lifting the local television blackout.  Buffalo's Ric
h
>>   Stadium has 80,290 seats.  Exactly how many tickets need to be sold in ord
er
>>   to lift the blackout?
>
>Exactly 80,290.
>--
>======================================================================
>Steve Strauss                     gdfwc3!kuwait!steves@central.sun.com

     Don't quote me verbatim on this, but I believe that in most areas, not 
only must the game be totally sold out, but it must do so no less than 24 hours
before coverage time would begin.

Go Reds! Go Buckeyes! Go Browns!
David Rodabaugh                  rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Senior, Mechanical Engineering
The Ohio State University
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From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Subject: Re: Joe (Toast?) Montana
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:26:03 GMT

In article <14448@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>,

skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
>In article <tokuno.715282398@milton> tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno) writes:
> >skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:

> >>I started the "toast" thread and I will stand by it.

> >>It's over, face it, come on swallow real hard and try to
> >>get a grip.
> >
> >>MONTANA IS TOAST !
> >>tim

> >>reply:
> >>but, but , but , if , if ,would have, could have. should have......

> >      "TOAST" as I understand it refers to getting "burned" by another
> >player, usually by someone on offense.  This implies past tense.  Montana
> >is still on the roster, so unless you want to eat your own toast, you'd
> >better think twice about making premature judgments.  I'm not saying he
> >will be back for sure, but it is just as true that he is not out of the
> >game yet.  Now if you are predicting he will not be back, that makes more
> >sense.

>If he does play the DB's will "burn" him like "toast". Is that
>better?

>tim

No, not really!  I really don't see your reasoning here. Why do you
think that the DB's will burn him?  Your explanation would be of
great interest to me. Lets hear it!

                                                     Tony
                                                  GO 49ERS!!!
From: 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Miami/New England Game was (Re: <None>)
Date: 30 Aug 92 07:46:38 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

In article <1992Aug30.012855.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra) writes:
> It's offical- Miami and NE Patriots will play on October 18th, not a game swap
> as previously discussed, due to the field wasn't ready after U2 stomped it bad.
> Hence, both teams will have their season openers a week later than the rest of
> the NFL. The rationalizaion NFL used to reshedule the game was out of respect
> for the wrecked Miami community, and also it would steal vital police resources
> needed out there than to look over an unimportant game.
> Miami forever...
-- 
I hate to followup on my own posting, but there was no subject header, and one
piece of info I wanted to add: We'll still be playing NE in December where our
butts will be frozen, and they'll beat the stuffing out of us. A swap would be
VERY NICE, but nooo, the NFL ruled that the game be rescheduled to Oct. 18th.
Lucky New England... ;)
Todd Elliott
11TELLIOTT@GALLUJ (Bitnet)
11TELLIO@GALLUX.GALLAUDET.EDU (Internet)
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From: 6669030@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Michael Irvin signs...
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 17:35:07 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
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From: bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley)
Subject: Michael Irvin signs...
Originator: bradletm@rastaban
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:07:38 GMT

his name with his right hand...


	I wonder how many FFL owners are pissed off at me right now?
I know of one......
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From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
Subject: Re: Browns anti-News (vs. Vikings)
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:00:28 GMT

>The wife and I went to a local sports bar to watch this pathetic display,
>the worst part is we were next to a table of bozo Viking fans who were
>taking great pleasure in the slaughter. Can't say that I blame them but
>paybacks are a bitch!!

I guess it's fun to gloat when you're in enemy territory, but I would warn
my fellow Vikings fans not to stick their necks out too far - like not
even out of their shirt collars.  I believe that the Vikings play the
Browns again in the regular season.  This preseason game could provide
a dangerous dose of motivation for the Browns to deliver the payback in
the regular season.  
During the game, I felt bad for the Browns and the fans in Cleveland -
my competative juices never had a chance to get flowing.  I hated to 
see Patrick Rowe go down with what looked like a knee injury.  I hate
to see any player injure a knee - especially in the preseason.  
While living in WAC county in Utah, I saw quite a few of Patrick's 
college games.  He did some pretty good stuff in college.  I hope that
he's OK.    
It was interesting to see a Brown's fan perspective on Mack in your
post.  I kind of wondered why the heck Vardell was drafted, but 
apparently people are kind of fed up with Mack's injury problems. 

John Ganske      -------------------------
a readheaded dad, vegetarian, cyclist, runner, volleyball player,
programmer, and all-around good guy, glad to be back in Minnesota
and soon to become small-time (very small-time) farmer 
     -----------------------------------------------------  
Unisys Corp.                            jag@unislc.slc.unisys.com 
Roseville, Minnesota                    612 635-7545  
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From: jacobson@spica.bucknell.edu (douglas jacobson GR)
Subject: Re: Jets cut Hector?
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:33:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.194126.2740@wuecl.wustl.edu> csm1@cec2.wustl.edu (Christopher Scott Macri) writes:
>Is it true that the Jets cut Johnny Hector?
>
>If it is, I feel that it was a bad decision. Hector was always a man you can
>turn to in the clutch for needed yards. He never was a real injury prone player
>and his aging years could have been an asset to a young Jet club in terms of
>expereince. Was this a move by Coslet to further streamline the offense
>with young talent (although Thomas hasnt proved much talent at all!) Rather,
>have I been stuck in the Midwest unable to realize that Hector just isn't
>doing the job?
>

I'm not sure if they cut him, (I guess I'll find out from tomorrow's
paper), but he has a groin injury and is expected to miss three or
four weeks.  They did cut A. B. Brown, (who was also injured), so I
thought they would keep him as a fifth back (Thomas, Baxter, McNeil,
and Chafey are the other four).

>
>Either way, Its good to see that the Jets are getting some well-deserved
>attention these days by both the New York and National Press. I cant remember
>the last time that the Jets were featured as the nationally televised game
>on NBC. Or is it just to show off Atlanta's new Georgia Dome.....
>

Amen.  Out here in central PA all we usually get to see is the
Steelers or Eagles.  But, it probably is because of the Georgia Dome...

>
>Chris Macri
>Remeber- I root for the Jets and anybody who plays the Giants!
>

Looks like it could be a good season for you (and me) in both respects!


--
Douglas Jacobson		             __o                  GO METS!
jacobson@bucknell.edu                      `\_<,                  GO JETS!
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From: jacobson@arcturus.bucknell.edu (douglas jacobson GR)
Subject: Re: Blair Thomas (was: Mark Clayton OK?)
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:11:30 GMT

In article <BtpL59.2CL@acsu.buffalo.edu> v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY) writes:
>
>BTW- Who is going to start at RB for the Jets?
>I thought Blair Thomas was going to be a MONSTER coming out of Penn St.
>but he's done ZERO (0.0000) will he finally perform or is Baxter going
>to be Mr. Touchdown for them again.
>
Thomas is going to be the starter, and this is a make or break year
for him.  You're right, he has been a major disappointment thus far,
but supposedly he had some nagging injuries that cut his productivity.
His problem seems to be that he is too tentative, and doesn't just
explode through holes, but he's been working on it.

His confidence was also probably hurt when he had that crucial fumble
against Chicago last year, after having his best game as a pro (25
carries 125 yards)

Personally, I'd like to see the Jets throw the ball to him more, to
get him in the open, and see what he can do.  


--
Douglas Jacobson		             __o                  GO METS!
jacobson@bucknell.edu                      `\_<,                  GO JETS!
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From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Giant's Cuts & Sept 6th
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:25:19 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Medicine

FINAL CUTS:  RB: Anthony Lynn
             QB: Jeff Carlson
             LB: Gary Reasons*, Bobby Abrams*
             CB: Michael Wright, Roger Brown, Brain Allred
             DE: Stacey Dillard, Murray Garrett, Dennis Tripp
             P:  Eric Bruun
             TE: Ted Popson
             OL: Nick Fineanganofo, Jeff Novak
             WR: Charles Swann

* made the team last year

Otis Anderson was on the original cut list, but was back in after the mandatory
24 hour waiting time. TE Aaron Pierce was placed on IR to make room.
Look for more roster moves because of the return of Banks and Howard.

Sept. 6th is when we can start to evaluate Handley and how this team does.
Forget preseason - if Handley and Fassel can be trusted, they promised not to
show _anything_ during preseason. The "new look" Giants will arrive on Sunday.
Simms will probably be the starter.

Watch for different formations (probably 3-4 WRs) in which the Giants will pass
and run. If we see the same old "Giants", Handley will be booed before the end
of the first quarter. (And Nelson B. will convert to watching the Jets)

The defense could be suspect - this is the 3rd year in a row of a new defensive
head (1992 - Rust, 1991 - Groh, 1990 - Belichick) and the players are still
learning.

Go Giants! Let the games begin...
---
         Larry Simmons                           larry@aecom.yu.edu
  Research Information Technology          ...!{uunet,att}!alsys1!larry
Albert Einstein College of Medicine    ...!meadowlnds!sec_227!row_7!seat_19!me
From: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Cowboy Holdouts
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:37:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 

EC>To the Michael Irvins, Jay Novaceks and Mark Stepnowskis of the world I have
EC>only one thing to say and that is F**K YOU!! I have been listening to theradio and reading the paper everyday to find out if any of you had signed and
EC>none of you had. What is the problem? I can't imagine that the management is
EC>being totally unfair.

But you can imagine that the players are being totally unfair???

Novacek has now signed, but that still leaves Irvin and Stepknowski
out of camp. How many other NFL teams still have two prominent players
holding out? One of the reasons Jack Del Rio left for Minnesota is that
he thought the Cowboys were being unfair. The players you named are not
allowed free agency so they must negotiate with management.

EC>To Michael Irvin: You had one (1) good year and two (2)
EC>years of injury and only fair numbers and now you want to be one of the
EC>highest paid receivers in football. I think a contract based on performance is
EC>pretty fair. What would the base be, $800,000? With incentives you would make
EC>well over a million.

Leading the league in receiving yardage is a great year, not a good one.
Last year Irvin had 13 more catches for 317 more yards than Jerry Rice.
He averaged 16.4 yards per reception. All 9 of the other top 10 leaders
in pass receptions last season averaged less than 15.1 yards per catch.

When ROOKIES with ZERO good years have bases over $1,000,000 it is not
unreasonable for an all pro to ask for the same. Klingler is getting
1.75 million per, and he is not even projected as a starter for several
seasons.

                                                 Al
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From: paul@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
Keywords: Satellite
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:50:12 GMT
Reply-To: paul@innerdoor.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM AWD Graphics Subsystem Development
Originator: paul@wadehra.austin.ibm.com


In article <1992Aug25.061847.5761@ncsu.edu>, delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
> 
> 
> 
>   What is the fascination with the NFC east?
> 
>	[...]
>    
>   It's time that all those who go for teams outside the NFC East to finally
>   stand up and defend their team. [...]
>
>   To me, a certain football team is my favorite because:
> 
>   [ Deleted 4 reasons ]


Nobody is saying the NFC East has your favorite teams.  They are just saying
that the NFC East has the _best_ teams.


> -- 
> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
> 
-- 
Paul Wadehra 
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From: brian@el_padre.mitre.org (Brian Toothman)
Subject: Michael Irvin signs!
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:01:22 GMT

Well this time it is true.  He has signed a three year contract and hopes
to play against the Redskins!!
-- 

Brian M. Toothman -- brian@elara.mitre.org

1990 World Champions -- The Cincinnati Reds
From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Physical Graffiti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Mike Stonebreaker
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:47:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Houses of the Holy

In article <1992Sep1.003440.11061@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, asagar@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ashish Sagar) writes:
> 
> Reading about the cuts the the Bears made I saw the name of Mike
> Stonebreaker.  Just a couple of questions on him:
> 
> -  Is he the same persomn who played for Notre Dame and was drafted
> last year?

Yes.


> 
> - If yes, then can some Bear fans shed some light on to why he was cut.
> He was rated very highly when he played for Notre Dame and when he was
> drafted.

A player rated very highly coming out of college does not necessarily
translate intoa startin position in the pros.  An example that comes to
mind is Andre Ware.


-- 
Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
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From: beegle@ftp.phy.uab.edu (Earthbound)
Subject: Re: games changing in history, question??
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:22:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.180732.26781@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>coombes@tiger.tcom.stc.co.uk (Philip Coombes) writes:
>>does any one remember 
>>any other game time or venue changes, especially this late in the 
>>year???.
>
>OK, here's a quiz:
>
>On October 26, 1987 -- a Monday -- there were two night games in
>the NFL.  Why?
>
There were also two mondaynight games back in 1985(I'm not too sure of the 
year) But other then the original mondaynight game the Seattle Seahawks
played the Cleveland Browns. It was the first game of the season and it
also happend to be the game Curt Warner Blew out his knee. Does anyone
remember why the game had to be moved?



-- 
Luke
		The most romantic thing anyone ever said to me in bed was
		"Are you sure you are not a cop?"
I only drink for medicinal purposes: unfortuantly I have been sick for 5 years.
From: bieber@felix.filenet.com (Douglas Bieber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Minnesota Vikings: Who's the starting tightend?
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:53:06 GMT
Reply-To: bieber@fritz.filenet.com (Douglas Bieber)
Distribution: usa
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

The subject line says it all.  Who is the starting
tight-end for the Vikes?  Is it Steve Jordan?
Do the Vikes expect a lot of playing time from
S. Jordan?  Thanks.

Doug
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From: evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills trade SEALS!!!
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:14:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep2.154745.1183@ncsu.edu>, easchwei@eos.ncsu.edu (ERIC ARNOLD SCHWEITZ) writes...

[Stuff deleted]

>get to the SB ever year on the legs of Thermal and the arm (certainly
>it's not in the brain) of Kelly?

Silly statement considering Kelly calls all the plays in one of the most
potent offenses in the league.


Doug

                                    |                            Doless Evans
                                    | State University of New York at Buffalo
                                    |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: vito@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (daniel.b.vought)
Subject: Re: Did Kerwin Bell make the Jets?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:33:31 GMT

In article <j.m.crant.1.7.0@nd.edu> j.m.crant.1@nd.edu (Mike Crant) writes:
>I haven't seen Kerwin Bell's (QB) name on any of the Jets recent cut 
>lists.  So either he made the team or got the boot early in the preseason.  
>Anyone know the answer?

         Kerwin Bell I don't think was ever on the JETS squad. I follow 
         the JETS and his name has never been mentioned in the papers.
         The JETS QB's are Nagle, O'Be , Jeff Blake. 

         I think alot of players will want to be JETS soon!

      Daniel V                                                   GO JETS!
From: rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Hilgenberg Trade Official
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:57:08 GMT
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <37399@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>Or was he [Hilgenberg] an ex-Pro-Bowl center? [...]
>I don't know if Hilgenburg went to the pro-bowl last year. [...]

Hmmm.  Maybe you should have checked his Pro-Bowl status before launching
into all the (deleted) speculation, including the quoted material.  You
would have found that he has been to the Pro Bowl each of the last
seven years.

---Rsk
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From: mgeis@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael L Geis)
Subject: Niners RB & WR
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:13:03 GMT
























Does anyone know who is likely to get the most time at RB alongside Rathman?  And which of the two, Lee and Waters, is likely to get the most time?  Also, will Sherrard be the #3 WR.

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From: johndoe@squid.inmet (johndoe)
Subject: Re: Patriots News 9/2
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:25:05 GMT

>   The Patriots cut the following players Monday:
>...

the only semi-surprising one to me is marvin allen, and i guess even that is
not that shocking considering the running back talent they have.  (i'm not
saying it's all-pro, but russell, vaughn, and stephens are definitely better
than average backs.)

>   Tippet, Cook, and Fryar were elected team captains.

irving fryar, team captain.  who ever woulda thunk it a couple of years ago.

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