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From: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Question of SYSGEN.....
Reply-To: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 19:30:45 GMT

In article <9FDCDBC6045F0001B5@EGFRCUVX>, SABRY@SHEBIN.EG (Sabry Kotob El-Ganzory) writes:
>Please, Question of SYSGEN and to you SYSGEN>show/all
>Parameters in use: Active
>Parameter Name             Current   Default   Minimum   Maximum Unit  Dynamic
>--------------             -------   -------   -------   ------- ----  -------
>PFCDEFAULT                      16        32         0       127 Pages       D
>KFILSTCNT                       16         4         2       255 Slots

[...remainder of entire listing of SYSGEN parameter settings deleted...]

Sabry,
The general rule of thumb here is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". You
have not given us any indication in your post about why you want to tinker
with your SYSGEN settings. If you were experiencing a specific problem
on your system, an appropriate question might be "When I try to INSTALL
an image, I get the message 'global page table full'. Which SYSGEN 
parameter do I need to change?". Then we could help you.

Another rule of thumb is that if you don't fully understand exactly what
a particular SYSGEN parameter does, don't change it. You can easily render
your system unbootable by playing with SYSGEN parameters when you don't
have a firm grasp as to their function. Therefore, I recommend that you
don't tinker with SYSGEN unless you have some specific problem you are
trying to correct. I also recommend that you read up on the use of
AUTOGEN and use it to tune your system; with your limited VMS experience
I'm sure that AUTOGEN will do a much better job of tuning your system
than you would be able to do yourself. It will also protect you from
yourself.

>Pardon me If I'm asking a silly questions.......ok.

The problem is that you haven't even asked a question. It's impossible to
look at a listing of SYSGEN parameters, without any additional information
about the system's workload, and make any recommendations. Ask us a specific
question, or at least tell us why you want to tinker with SYSGEN, and
maybe we can help you.

I did take the time to glance at some of your key parameters. The only
thing that looked suspicious to me was that MAXPROCESSCNT and BALSETCNT
seemed to be very low for most systems. But without knowing anything at
all about your worload, it's impossible to tell. These are two parameters
that AUTOGEN will maintain for you, though, so I repeat my recommendation
that you depend on AUTOGEN.

=============================================================================
Bob Marshall                     \\     "Women aren't as smart as they
Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     think they are; they think we
Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    men know a lot more than we
marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   really do."
"I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Tim the Toolman
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From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: long, long, really long DCL commands
Keywords: dcl
Date: 29 Dec 92 02:35:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Dec28.172453.24421@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, george@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (George Nassas) writes...
#Hi all!  Happy holidays!
# 
#The manual tells me that DCL will gladly accept commands of 1024
#characters although each individual line cannot go longer than 256
#characters. Can anyone fill me in on how this works? I read all over
#the FM for an example but couldn't find one.
# 
#At first I thought that I could get really long lines by going:
# 
#		$ 256 chars -
#		  256 chars - etc...
# 
#but no way. What gives? I've stumped all my local experts.

	First, let me point out that while THERE IS an answer,
	and I'm going to give it to you, using this information
	will lead to unsupportable code.  SO don't do it.

	Using symbol substitution, you can enter in lines as
	long as 256 characters that get expanded up to 4x.

#Please bounce a reply to my address as well as the net as I'm
#sometimes away for a week or two at a time. Thanks in advance.
# 
#- George Nassas

	Ehud

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gavron@vesta.sunquest.com
Used staples are good with SOY SAUCE!
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Answer: (Re: What is XPDRIVER for?)
From: CHD@HERMES.ECE.ARIZONA.EDU (Chris De Young)
Date: 30 Dec 92 12:05:17 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: --
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Thanks to everyone who answered my post about XPDRIVER; it turns out that
the culprit appears to be a non-dec device at CSR 764200, not what SYSGEN
expects to find there.


        System CSR and Vectors on 30-DEC-1992 11:59:15.68
.
.
.
Name: LXB  Units: 1  Nexus:3    (UBA) CSR: 764200  Vector1: 374  Vector2: 000

Thanks again everyone.

-Chris
chd@ece.arizona.edu
From: lhotka@abel.incstar.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: VMS string class in C++
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:08:53 GMT
Organization: INCSTAR Corp, Stillwater MN

Does anyone have a C++ class for VMS native type strings?  All the C++ classes
and book examples deal with C type strings, but it would seem obvious that any
extensive use of C++ under VMS would be facilitated by a class to handle VMS
string descriptors instead.  

Rather than reinvent the wheel in the case, I am wondering if anyone has
already done this?  Thanks for any help!

 Rockford Lhotka                                INCSTAR Corp
 Systems Analyst                                1990 Industrial Blvd
 lhotka@incstar.com                             PO Box 285
 612/779-1701                                   Stillwater, MN 55082
           >>>Amiga - The computer for the creative mind<<<
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Handling multiple client connections with VMS TCP/IP servers?
From: daniel@hfrd.dsto.gov.au
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:55:35 CST
Organization: High Frequency Radar Division - Defence Science and Technology Organisation

Using UCX2.0, VAXC3.2 under VMS5.5-2.

When writing VMS TCP/IP servers, is there an elegant method of having VMS
sub/det processes handle multiple client connections, a'la U**x fork[/exec]?

Is multi-threading the server (QIOs and ASTs) the only method?  In which case
how are telnet, rsh, ... connections, that create network processes under a
different UIC, handled?

Questions, questions, and so little documentation.  The usual apologies (FAQ,
etc.)  With thanks in advance.  Mark Daniel.
From: ABSTINE@HOBBES.ERC.CLARKSON.EDU ("Art Stine, Sr. Net. Engr")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Need gcc v2.2.x for VMS
Date: 1 Jan 93 18:22:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

is the gcc-2.2.x stuff that was on mango available anywhere else?
i need to get ahold of it to start a project.

thanks much

art stine
software engineer
visix software
From: MORRIS@PATRICK-PIMS.AF.MIL ("Jay Morris")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: C-Kermit
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:42:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Ok, I've seen references to C-Kermit which is supposed to be much better than
Kermit-32, but I can't find it.  I've searched by archie, i've looked on
WATSUN, but I can't find it.  Evidently, I'm not looking for the right filename
.  
Someone want to point me in the right direction?

(Last time I asked someone that, they said go 5 miles east from Cocoa Beach, Fl)
morris@patrick-pims.af.mil


Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: flushing in VAXC and DECC
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:06:11 GMT


In article <1hjtr9INN34t@gap.caltech.edu>,
carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:

[regarding fsync()]
|>
|>Glad to know that it's documented on AXP machines.  Now, perhaps you'd clarify
|>a point for us:  The AXP documentation doesn't agree with what fsync() acutally
|>does under VMS 5.4-2.  In particular, the AXP documentation would have us
|>believe that:
|>	fsync(fileno(stdout));
|>actually causes the results of, e.g., all printf's to be flushed to disk.
|>Now, under VMS 5.4-2, if you spawn a subprocess (using the command
|>"SPAWN/NOWAIT/OUTPUT=file_name RUN program" that runs the program
|>	#include stdio
|>	main()
|>	{	printf("This is a test.");
|>		fsync(fileno(stdout));
|>		sleep(30);
|>	}
|>guess what?  You don't see "This is a test." in the output until the process
|>dies.  However, if the program had been:
|>	#include stdio
|>	main()
|>	{	printf("This is a test.");
|>		fflush(stdout);
|>		fsync(fileno(stdout));
|>		sleep(30);
|>	}
|>you'd see "This is a test." in the output file right away.
|>
|>So, as someone "posing as a guru," I'd like to know whether the function does
|>as it's documented to do, or whether it does what it does under VMS v5.4-2.

The function behaves as documented.  It flushes all of the C RTL's internal
buffers and it also does an RMS SYS$FLUSH to force the data to be written to
disk.

You're being caught by the special RMS processing for process-permanent files.
When you do a SPAWN/NOWAIT/OUT=filespec, SYS$OUTPUT (aka stdout) is opened in
supervisor mode by DCL as a process-permanent file.  This is done so that each
program run in the subprocess doesn't create its own version of the output file.
Many user-mode RMS operations on a process-permanent file end up being no-ops.
Among these are SYS$OPEN, SYS$CLOSE, and SYS$FLUSH.  So what happens here is
that the DECC RTL does write its buffers and do a SYS$FLUSH, but RMS ignores
the SYS$FLUSH because stdout is a process-permanent file.

Note that your second program above (the one with the fflush()) behaves
identically to the first one--you still don't see "This is a test." until the

subprocess terminates.  This is because the fsync()'s SYS$FLUSH is still
being ignored.

If you change the first program to read:

	#include stdio
	#include signal
        main()
        {
        FILE *x;
        x = fopen ("x.x", "w");
        fprintf(x, "This is a test.");
        fsync(fileno(x));
        sleep(30);
        }

and then run it using the command SPAWN/NOWAIT/OUT=Y.Y RUN program
you will find that the fsync() flushes "This is a test." to file X.X as the
fsync() documentation would lead one to believe.  It works in this case because
fopen() has opened X.X as a normal RMS file; it is not a process-permanent file,
and so fsync()'s SYS$FLUSH call is honored.

fsync(), incidentally, normally is only available on AXP if you compile your
program /STANDARD=VAXC.

--PSW
From: DMILLER%BSU.DECNET@MSUS1.BITNET ("Prof. David Miller")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Help with VAX/VMS books
Date: 1 Jan 93 15:52:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

mario torres writes:
 
>        Could anyone reccommend some books or other type of literature
> that are appropriate for novice and intermediate level VAX/VMS users.
> If you have some recommendations could you please post them or mail them to me?

Novice VMS user books:

- Michael Wright, VAX-VMS Primer. Contemporary Publishing Co
- David Bynon & Terry Shannon, Introduction to VAX/VMS. Professional Press
  Books.
- James Peters III & Patrick Holmay, The VMS User's Guide. Digital Press.
- Ronald Sawey & Troy Stokes, A Beginner's Guide to VAX/VMS Utilities &
  Applications. Digital Press.

Intermediate VMS user book:

- David Bynon, Mastering VMS. Professional Press Books.

Intermediate VMS internals books:

- David Miller, VAX/VMS Operating System Concepts. Digital Press.
- ??, Hitchhikers Guide to VMS. Professional Press Books.

The Ultimate VMS internals book:

- Ruth Goldenberg, VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures. Digital Press

Dave.

DMILLER@VAX1.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU
Bemidji (Minn) State University
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Courtesy and Civility
From: gavron@it.sunquest.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2546)
Date: 1 Jan 1993 12:23 MST  
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Distribution: world,local
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41AXP 

In a rather long article, 
<1993Jan1.114605.303@rlgsc.com>, gezelter@rlgsc.com writes...
#In the last few months, there have been a series of "flame wars"
..
#I have consulted, taught, and spoken both in the United States 
..
#Etiquette is also taken more seriously outside the US.
..

	You know, this all started with people who wouldn't ask
	answerable questions, and wouldn't supply enough information.

	I consult as well.  The people who hire me pay good
	money for me to solve their problems (which I do).  They
	don't pay for me to lick their nether regions.	

#When you post questions, please try to include as much relevant 
#information as possible, including small, yet complete, examples 
#and descriptions. Posters should make sure that they include a 
#complete, usable, E-mail address, as some components of the news 
#distribution mechanism are known to damage reply addresses.

	And there you have the upshot of it.


#I wish everybody in the comp.os.vms/INFO-VAX community a happy 
#and healthy year in 1993.

	Echoes from here!

#- Bob


Ehud

--
Ehud Gavron        (EG76)     
gavron@vesta.sunquest.com					This was sent
"The world bores you when you're cool."				from an Alpha
                                                                using VNEWS!!!
From: ARNE@KOPC.HHS.DK (Arne Vajhxj)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Unable to delete file
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:48:57 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> >I couldn't delete a file in my directory, eventhough I have set the
> >protection of owner to RWED, yet I keep reeiving insufficient privelege
> >or file protection violation message.
> 
> Do a DIR/SEC on the file, this will show you any ACLs as well as the UIC-based
> protection.  You might have an ACL on the file which is denying you access.
> Happens to me all the time...  If you have, then look at set file/acl.
> 
> If all you want to do is delete the file, try
> 
> SET FILE filename /ACL=(ID=*,ACC=R+W+E+D+C)
> 
> and then try deleting it.

You CAN NOT deny yourself access to an object owned by you with an ACL !

If you study the flowchart in figure 4-4 in Guide to System Security, you will
see it documented.

Alternatively try:

  CREATE Z.Z
  CTRL/Z
  SET ACL/ACL=(ID=yourusername,AC=NONE) Z.Z
  DELETE/LOG Z.Z;*

which works OK !

ACL's are not the problem (but maybe ownership!).

                                                          Arne

Arne Vajhxj                             local DECNET:  KO::ARNE
Computer Department                     PSI:           PSI%23831001304030::ARNE
Business School of Southern Denmark     Internet:      ARNE@KO.HHS.DK
From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Request for sources
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <9212230626.AA09743@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, FZC@CU.NIH.GOV ("Kevin Mitnick") writes...
#Can someone E-Mail me the sources to VMS?
# 
#Thanks, Kevin

	Yes, you need to contact by email olson@star.enet.dec.com.
	If he won't try palmer@star.enet.dec.com.

	Ehud

--
Ehud Gavron        (EG76)     
gavron@aces.com

and they say there is no such thing as a stupid question.
From: mandach@decus.ch (mandach)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Please discard my previous mail !
Date: 2 Jan 93 11:55:12 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 11:47:17 CET


Sorry for mistyping !
Regards,
Hans v. Mandach

Xref: sparky comp.os.vms:20244 comp.sys.dec:6677 comp.unix.ultrix:9151
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Setting terminal characteristics for dlogined session
Date: 3 Jan 1993 21:11:20 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: comp
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <SHIBUYA.92Dec31002122@chute.bl.applicon.slb.com>, shibuya@bl.applicon.slb.com (Hiroto Shibuya) writes:
>On VMS side, I'm trying to suppress ^U, ^X, ^C, and ^Y. by setting
>TT2$M_PASTHRU flag by QIO call, but somehow it gets totally ignored if
>I'm connected by dlogin.  It works fine if I'm making connection
>through TCP/IP via UCX or Multinet.  What is the deal with this
>dlogin?  On man page for "dlogin", it says,
>
>     This utility uses a protocol called the Digital Network Architecture
>     (DNA) command terminal protocol (CTERM).  With dlogin, you can connect
>     to any DECnet node that supports CTERM. DECnet-ULTRIX nodes support both
>     incoming and outgoing virtual terminal connections.
>
>Does this go through totally different terminal driver? 

Yes, it does.  However, PASTHRU mode should do what you want, even if the
terminal driver in question is RTTDRIVER.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: cantor@star.enet.dec.com (Dave Cantor)
Subject: Re: Alternative callable editors in MAIL?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:20:17 GMT



In article <1992Dec26.213721.5913@ais.com>, bruce@ais.com (Bruce C. Wright) writes...
>In article <1992Dec26.185949.27176@engage.pko.dec.com>, cantor@star.enet.dec.com (Dave Cantor) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec25.234751.5910@ais.com>, bruce@ais.com (Bruce C. Wright) writes...
>>>In article <34147@twics.co.jp>, burress@twics.co.jp (Tim Burress) writes:
>> [...]
>>>> So my question is whether there is a procedure for installing a different
>>>> callable editor, and having MAIL use that one instead of EDT.  I know it's a
>>>> longshot, but the alternative is using the callable mail routines to write my
>>>> own mailer, and it's not how I planned to spend my holiday.
>>> 
>>>You can very often set things up so that almost any editor can be used as
>>>a callable editor in MAIL.  For example, suppose you have a locally-written
>>>editor named XYZ -- what you need to do to make it callable from MAIL is:
>> [...]
>>>    2)  Have a procedure named XYZ$EDIT in the sharable image.  The
>>>	arguments should look like the callable EDT interface routine
>>>	named EDT$EDIT, although I think you can just get by with 2
>>>	arguments for callable MAIL (input_file, output_file).
>> 
>> If the editor is named XYZ, then the entry point needs to be named
>> XYZ$XYZ, not XYZ$EDIT.   (The entry points for some popular editors
>> are TPU$TPU, LSE$LSE, and TECO$TECO.)
> 
>Are you _quite_ sure about this?  Did the behavior change recently?  I've
>just tried this on a VMS V5.4 and a VMS V5.5 system, and if you name the
>entry point, for example, XYZ$XYZ instead of XYZ$EDIT, then MAIL gives
>you the error messages:
> 
>	%MAIL-E-ERACTED, Error activating editor XYZ
>	%LIB-E-KEYNOTFOU, Key not found in tree
> 
>but naming the entry point XYZ$EDIT works as I had originally outlined.

I was mistaken.  The correct name for the entry point should be
XYZ$EDIT.  Sorry for the erroneous information.

-- --
 Dave C.                          cantor@star.enet.dec.com
 Digital Equipment Corp., Nashua, NH  03062, USA
  The views expressed herein are my own, except where attributed to 
  someone else.  They are neither the opinion of, nor the responsibility 
  of, Digital Equipment Corporation.
From: carrato@mhinfo.UUCP (Tony Carrato)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How to use a non-DEC postscript printer???
Date: 3 Jan 93 07:22:25 GMT
Reply-To: carrato@mhinfo.UUCP (Tony Carrato)
Organization: Mile-High Information Services, Inc.

When CPS tries to print to a Postscript printer, it first asks the printer
what sort of device it is.  CPS believes in DEC printers, HP, NEC and
Apple printers recently.  (Double check that - I may be wrong about the
exact thrid party printers.)  If it doesn't get back a response it can
match with its internal list, it (CPS) declines to print the job.

I've had good success in the past with a Postscript symbiont from
Graymatter s/w.  If you can't track down contact info for them, mail
me and I'll find it.  

Tony

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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: $QIO hangs...
Date: 23 Dec 1992 11:26:25 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <shgr_#n@lynx.unm.edu>, dgalb@uranus.unm.edu () writes:
>
>
>hi,
>
>Does anybody know of any reason for a SYS$QIO call to hang???

Just a guess (and I'm REALLY not sure about this), but was the process started
with the /RESOURCE_WAIT qualifier [or equivalent thereof])? If I understand
that qualifier properly, a process so started, if it lacks a resource (e.g., an
IRP) necessary to execute a system service, will wait until the resource
becomes available (as it would after the preceding QIO completes.

I'm quite likely wrong in my guess (see:  sometimes I *AM* humble :-), but it's
probably something you should investigate unless somebody else can figure out
what you problem is.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: 00mjstum@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Matthew J. Stum)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: DEClaser 2150 blues - need an esc code
Date: 31 Dec 92 14:19:42 GMT
Organization: Widget Enterprises

Situation:  We have a DEClaser 2150 (actually, an upgraded 2100) Postscript
printer running in "PS READY" mode (I don't know the proper names of the
modes off-hand, so I'll just tell ya what's on the LCD) which is being
accessed by a VAXcluster using the DECprint printing services.  This
particular queue probably won't be seeing any file type other than ASCII,
LN03 (from LaTeX), and Postscript.

Problem:  When sending LN03 files to it, for example, the wait can be quite
long while the document is being converted to Postscript.  Not acceptible.

Possible Solution: In the Postscript booklet that came with the cartidge,
there is a metion that the DEClaser's mode can be switched (PS READY ->
00 READY -> PS READY) via software escape codes.  So, I'm thinking we set
the queue up as a "normal" printer (i.e. drop the DECprint printing
services) and keep the printer in it's "00 READY" state to quickly handle
ASCII and LN03 files (which we already know it does). Then, we create a
form for the printer that contains the proper escape sequences whenever we
want to send a Postscript file to it.

Problem:  We don't have TFM to R so we don't know what the proper escape
sequences are or if this will even work as advertised.

Question:  Can anyone help?

-- 
Matt Stum                    Gwydion ap Myrddin       Ball State University
00mjstum@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu   Shire of Afonlyn, MK     Muncie, IN  USA