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From: rhuang@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Richard Huang)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Microsoft TrueType Font Packs and Kerning
Date: 23 Jan 93 05:00:44 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

Does anyone know if the typefaces in the Microsoft TrueType Font Packs contain
kerning pairs?  I've been told the first pack doesn't.  Does this impact
output quality significantly?  If so, is there a way I could obtain revised
versions of the Lucida files which have kerning info?


Thanks,

Richard Huang
rhuang@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
From: ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: PFB-files renameable?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 09:15:47 +0100
Organization: Computational Linguistics Dept., U Saarbruecken
NNTP-Posting-Host: coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de

gilligan@bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan M. Gilligan) writes:

>In article <1k14d3INNmh5@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de> ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring) writes:
>>
>>As far as I know renaming the FOT and TTF file of a truetype font is a "nono",
>>because some path information is stored in the FOT file...

>Can't you just rename the .TTF font, delete the .FOT font, and regenerate it
>by reinstalling he renamed .TTF?

Should work, but I don't know if there are any other information stored in
the  .FOT file. By the way: Is there any way to have the .FOT file in a
directory other than the windows system directory?

Ulrich Mayring
From: rbnix@akela.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Reiner B. Nix)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Looking for Achen font
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:16:17 GMT
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik - RWTH Aachen
Distribution: "world"
NNTP-Posting-Host: akela.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

GERDESJH@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu () writes:

>Would anyone know where to find the font Achen?
					  Aachen
					  
see on aminet:

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250-Switzerland  litamiga.epfl.ch       128.178.151.32  pub/aminet/
250-Scandinavia  ftp.luth.se            130.240.18.3    pub/aminet/
250-Germany      ftp.uni-kl.de          131.246.9.95    pub/aminet/
250-Germany      ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de    130.149.17.7    pub/aminet/
250-Germany      ftp.th-darmstadt.de    130.83.55.75    pub/aminet/
250-USA          ftp.etsu.edu           192.43.199.20   pub/aminet/
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path:	text/font

regard: this font, and most in this area, are stored in
Compugrahic / Intellifont format.

hope to help you

-- 
Reiner B. Nix                 rbnix@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

Intel outside ...
Germany westside
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Reiner B. Nix                 rbnix@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

Intel outside ...
Germany westside
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: Re: Russian/Cyrillic on PCs
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:18:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.130006.1@evax.gdc.com> moon@evax.gdc.com writes:
>I am looking for general information about support of the 
>Russian language and Cyrillic characters on IBM-compatible
>PCs.  Not only fonts, but keyboards, software, etc.

There's a package for DOS called DOSGOST, which implements the GOST
Russian standard.  It includes a Cyrilic screen font, and a TSR to
convert the keyboard to use the standard Russian layout.  

The TSR works fine with micro-emacs.  Alternatively, you can use
DEMACS with my russian.el package.  I also have filters for converting
the GOST standard encoding into something TeX will understand, if you
want to go that route.  The DOSGOST package includes hyphenation
patterns for Russian, so you can use TeX.

[If you prefer Unix, you can still use my russian.el file under GNU
Emacs to enter Russian, but you'll need a russian screen font.  I use
Linux, and I have patches to let that use DOS codepages, so I can use
the screen font from DOSGOST.]

-Joel
From: koontz@cam.nist.gov (John E. Koontz X5180)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: IPA TT Font Wanted
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:10:23 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology, Gaithersburg, MD

In article <1jlo33INNmo0@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, churchyh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Henry Churchyard) writes:
|>    The latest free IPA fonts to make their appearance are those from
|> Summer Institute/Wycliffe, which are available for the Mac from
|> wuarchive.wustl.edu:
|> 
|> /mac/system.extensions/font/type1/silipafonts.sit.hqx
|>  313     1/10/93    BinHex4.0,StuffIt3.03
|> 
|>    These fonts do have non-spacing diacritics, and the docs mention
|> that there is supposed to be a version designed especially for Windows
|> (although this apparently hasn't been uploaded anywhere yet).

There is a Windows version, though it may not have been posted yet.
There is also a commercial version with a greatly extended character
set (many commonly used non-IPA characters), for $60 plus postage and
handling.  

----
John E. Koontz (koontz@bldr.nist.gov)

Disclaimer:  Views and recommendations, express or implied, are my own, and
do not reflect the opinion or policy of my employers.
From: bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Microsoft TrueType Font Packs and Kerning
Date: 23 Jan 1993 20:09:15 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: rhuang@csugrad.cs.vt.edu's message of 23 Jan 93 05:00:44 GMT


In article <C1AJ99.8rG@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> rhuang@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Richard Huang) writes:

   Does anyone know if the typefaces in the Microsoft TrueType Font Packs contain
   kerning pairs?  I've been told the first pack doesn't.  Does this impact
   output quality significantly?  If so, is there a way I could obtain revised
   versions of the Lucida files which have kerning info?

The TT fonts that came with Win 3.1 do have kerning pairs in the four styles
of `Arial', and the four styles of `Times'.  `Symbol', `Wingding', and
`Courier' do not, obviously.

Berthold K.P. Horn
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Subject: help with accent design
Reply-To: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:55:19 GMT

I would like the advice of people with experience in the design of fonts
with diacritical marks.

I am in the process of modifying a couple of LaserJet fonts to add several
accented letters, including capitals. The problem is that there is not
enough free space above the letters as they are now to accomodate the accents
without bumping into the descenders from the preceeding line.

I can see three possibitities:

- Squeeze in the accents in whatever space there is and ignore the possi-
  bility of collision with the descenders.

- Increase the headroom above the letters to accomodate the accents, and
  ignore the increased leading this introduces. Since accented capitals
  are rare, this increased blank space would most likely be quite noticeable.
  In that case, should I designate the font by its original point size, or
  should I take the increase into account?

- Squash the capitals that need an accent, so that the letter + accent fit
  in the same space as the unaccented letter. Can that be done without
  totally destroying the appearance of the letters?

I am especially interested in comments from people with experience in such
languages as Czech, Croatian, and Slovenian, since these use variously
shaped diacritics on both consonants and vowels.

Many thanks,

Pierre


Pierre Jelenc                        pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu 
                                    Columbia University, New York
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From: chh9@ellis.uchicago.edu (Conrad Halling)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Re: Non-proportional font
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:32:32 GMT
Reply-To: chh9@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <93022.132659MATTOTE@UCF1VM.BITNET> 
  Don Mattote <MATTOTE@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:

>I am currently looking for a font for my Mac that will accomodate importing
>text files from an IBM platform. Most fonts cause a jagged appearance where
>tabs and spaces are rather than a clean columnar appearance.  I like the
>geneva font best but it causes the jagged appearance. I believe what I need
>is a non-proportional font. I am using the saveatree software on Mac and
>printing text in as little as 5 pt. type. I have a geneva5-6 pt font but, as
>I said, the jagged appearance, yet the character quality is excellent.

What you should use is Courier, which is a monospaced font.  Monaco used
to be monospaced, but now the TrueType version isn't.

-- 
Conrad Halling
c-halling@uchicago.edu
From: ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: DTC - Who is it???
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:04:45 +0100
Organization: Computational Linguistics Dept., U Saarbruecken
NNTP-Posting-Host: coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de

bkph@kauai.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn) writes:


>In article <1k3feiINN8in@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de> ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring) writes:

>   Does anyone know the Digital (no, not International) Typeface Corporation (DTC)?
>   I have seen some of their fonts and they didn't look too bad, although the truth
>   will only come out at higher resolutions than 300 dpi. However, I found for
>   example their Bodoni-DTC to be aesthetically preferable to most other Bodonis I
>   have seen. So, I was wondering, if DTC is any good in the technical department
>   as well, and if yes, where can I buy these fonts?

>   Ulrich Mayring

>DTC font sets come bundled with several products, including LaserMaster
>printers and Micrografx Designer.

>DTC fonts are hinted, but make no use of hint replacement, for example.  
>If you have `commercial grade' fonts from other foundries, you may want to
>make sure that installation of the DTC fonts does not overwrite them with
>fonts that use the same file names...

>Berthold K.P. Horn
>Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA

Please excuse my ignorance in technical questions, but what is hint replace-
ment? Are there any other technicalities to look for in a font besides that
and hinting?
And while I'm at it: Commercial grade fonts aren't always what they're cracked
up to be. Take a look at Adobe's Joanna Regular, e.g., apart from the 
aesthetics, which obviously are debatable, this font has gruesome kerning. It
is of a quality I'd expect from Shareware fonts and still I would be dis-
appointed. But hey - I paid money for that one, since I believe in buying
fonts. So, what I was looking for, is a cheaper alternative with still good
quality and I am looking into DTC right now...

Anyways, thanx a lot, Berthold, for all the helpful information you regularly
dish out at us less educated people. That had to be said.

Ulrich Mayring

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From: bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: maths fonts
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:39:25 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: pmoore@hemel.bull.co.uk's message of Thu, 21 Jan 93 13:01:26 GMT


In article <1993Jan21.130126.5062@uk03.bull.co.uk> pmoore@hemel.bull.co.uk (Paul Moore) writes:

   Does anybody know where there is a font with all the maths symbols in it
   - I know that the symbol fonts have some as the font for the equation
   editor in WfW. None of them have the double N Z R C Q used for number sets
   and there are a few other missing symbols. 

   I want TT (or 'native' Windows) fonts.

The `open-face' or `black-board' bold characters may be found in 
MSBM10, one of the fonts in the AMS font set.  This set includes
lots of other math symbols in MSAM10 also.  Available in ATM
compatible Adobe Type 1 format --- see my previous response.

The `open-face' or `black-board' bold characters may also be found in the 
Lucida New Math fonts, part of the `Lucida Bright + Lucida New Math'
font set.  There are four math fonts covering all of the symbols found
in the Computer Modern math fonts, the LaTeX math symbol fonts and
the AMS math symbol fonts.

Berthold K.P. Horn
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
From: "tobias b koehler" <UKJP@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: help with accent design
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:55:45 +0100
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Distribution: world



pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc):
>
> accented letters, including capitals. The problem is that there is not
> enough free space above the letters as they are now to accomodate the accents
> without bumping into the descenders from the preceeding line.
>
> I can see three possibitities:
>
> - Squeeze in the accents in whatever space there is and ignore the possi-
>   bility of collision with the descenders.

Not a good possibility. OK if you only have few accents.

> - Increase the headroom above the letters to accomodate the accents, and
>   ignore the increased leading this introduces. Since accented capitals
>   are rare, this increased blank space would most likely be quite noticeable.
>   In that case, should I designate the font by its original point size, or
>   should I take the increase into account?

Yes, usually it is done this way. If you want accents, you also need
the space for them.

> - Squash the capitals that need an accent, so that the letter + accent fit
>   in the same space as the unaccented letter. Can that be done without
>   totally destroying the appearance of the letters?

This is the way it was done for computer fonts and typewriters as well.
It looks awful.

In many fonts designed for German, or any language with accented caps,
all the capitals are slightly smaller than lowercase letters with
ascenders. This gives the possibility to have enough room for accents.
However, this will not work with all designs -- for example it will
not look good for "classical", or "modern" fonts like Bodoni.
The problems mentioned here arise especially in Scandinavian. Here
you need the A with ring, and the ring must be large enough not to be
considered as a dot.

So long

-=- tobi -=-
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris)
Subject: Re: maths fonts
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:08:40 GMT

pmoore@hemel.bull.co.uk (Paul Moore) writes:

>Does anybody know where there is a font with all the maths symbols in it
>- I know that the symbol fonts have some as the font for the equation
>editor in WfW. None of them have the double N Z R C Q used for number sets
>and there are a few other missing symbols. 

Try the Lucida Bright Math Italic font in the Microsoft TrueType
Pack I.  I think that you might find what you're looking for.

(Note that MS has released a second TrueType package, but without any
advertising I've seen.  Make sure that you're looking at the original
pack they released at the same time as Windows 3.1 came out.)

Joe Morris / MITRE
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel)
Subject: Re: Non-proportional font
Originator: tai50080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: tinsel@uiuc.edu
Organization: Masticating Illini, Urbana Illinois
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:17:37 GMT

Don Mattote <MATTOTE@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:

> I am currently looking for a font for my Mac that will accomodate importing
> text files from an IBM platform. Most fonts cause a jagged appearance where
> tabs and spaces are rather than a clean columnar appearance.  I like the
> geneva font best but it causes the jagged appearance. I believe what I need
> is a non-proportional font. I am using the saveatree software on Mac and
> printing text in as little as 5 pt. type. I have a geneva5-6 pt font but, as
> I said, the jagged appearance, yet the character quality is excellent.
> I would appreciate any suggestions or corrections to my theory or software
> I am using. Thanks in advance and please respond either to one of the above
> groups or to my email address: MATTOTE@UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU

Courier or Monaco.
-- 
Thomas Insel (tinsel@uiuc.edu)
  "Familiarity breeds contempt--and children."  -- Mark Twain
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From:  misha <misha@spectrum.simbirsk.su>
Subject: What editors and converters exist for postscript fonts?
Reply-To: misha@spectrum.simbirsk.su
Organization: Volga-Spectrum Ltd.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:30:13 GMT

Hello-

How can to tell me what editors and converters exist for
postscript fonts ?
Can't You tell me anything about theys ?


Thanks for any help                 Sorry my English

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From: ooi@otter.hpl.hp.com (Stanley Ooi)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:05:00 GMT
Subject: Thai Windows?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts

Hi, I'm interested in getting Thai fonts for my PC. I was told
about "Thai Windows" which gives one Thai fonts for Windows 3.x
applications. Does anyone know how I can get hold of this?

Thanks

Stanley Ooi
Hewlett Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
From: bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Font Design Apps and Hinting
Date: 28 Jan 1993 01:18:07 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: andre@rurutu.wri.com's message of Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:33:24 GMT


In article <1993Jan26.193324.8942@wri.com> andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek) writes:

   I've got some questions about font design that I'm hoping the informed  
   people on this newsgroup might be able to help me with. I will summarize  
   any e-mail responses.

   1) What is the best, or to be less vague, what is the most *professional*  
   font design application available on any platform (UNIX, Mac, DOS, etc).  
   I'm assuming the professional font design houses are using stuff other  
   than Fontographer or FontStudio. I'm wondering if it isn't custom software  
   and if it's generally available.

For designing the outlines themselves, Ikarus M from URW.  For hinting there
isn't anything that one can afford.  If your rich call Adobe ask for BuildFont.

   2) I am currently using Fontographer, and find it pretty useful, but I'm  
   having trouble with creating good font hints for my Type 1 designs. In  
   testing the process, I've been re-drawing Times-Roman, based on a template  
   of the original. I'm following all the rules about tangent control points  
   etc. that supposedly make the Nimbus Q font hinting algorithms work best.  
   In comparison to the original, my clone font shares most of the same  
   control points just by nature of these rules, and I'm even editing the  
   hints manually to achieve the greatest possible similarity to the original  
   (as far as I can tell from decoding the Type 1 file in Fontographer). My  
   results, however, do not quite match the original, and are not  
   particularly great. Adobe's outlines don't rasterize to look as well as  
   their hand-tuned bitmap, but it still looks a bit better than what I get  
   from Fontographer. 

Right, automatic hinting is very much better than no hinting, but not
nearly as good as commercial grade hinting.  For one thing, none of these
tools provides for hint replacement, which, while not needed for every
character, is crucial for quality rendering.

   I'm beginning to assume that font hinting is an arcane process that  
   requires font developers to spend enormous amounts of time doing empirical  
   tests. We're talking more time than actually drawing the font. Is there a  
   better way to build hints (better software?) , so as not to have to resort  
   to hand tuned bitmaps?

The main problem is that the rendering algorithm is not described.  So
while the language for writing Type 1 hints, including hint replacement,
is easily accessible to anyone who cares to buy the book, it isn't obvious
what to write in that language once you get past the obvious.  For example,
the naive view of how it works would suggest that setting up some hints
and then immediately replacing them makes no sense whatever, yet many
commercial fonts do just that.  That's just for a start...

Berthold K.P. Horn
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
From: bcs_jim@athena.mit.edu (Jim Rinaldo)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Goudy Stout: T1 Mac PD face?
Date: 29 Jan 1993 00:02:25 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: posse.mit.edu
Keywords: Goudy, Fonthaus, Type 1, PD, Blackletter, Castle Systems

Hi folks;

I was perusing the latest Fonthous catalog and came across a face
called "Goudy Stout."

It was done by Castle Systems, and was based on Goudy's 1939
Blackletter design.

I could have swarn that I've seen a similar face in the public
domain for Type 1 Macs.
 
It is kinda like Gadzookz, a new PD face; it's kinda like that
face David Rakowski did that looks like "Bodini after 6-7 beers."
(whatever it's called) 
But it is a heavier weight.

The Q is unique, as well as the W; looks like Ashley Crawford a bit.
(Rakowski has also done a version of this face).

Another face I am looking for in PD or commercial is one that
Country Kitchen has used in it's ads; the unique feature is that the
lower cased "t" looks like a baby formula bottle. It is again a
blackface/title face; heavier than usual, not germanic.



Thanks


Jim Rinaldo
From: dick.zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dick Zeitlin) 
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: 7.1 Font LImit?
Date: 19 Jan 93 18:48:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dick.zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dick Zeitlin) 

WB> .I seem to remember reading in a book on System 7.1 (for the Mac) that
  > .only 128 fonts can be opened at startup. I currently have about 121 font
  > .suitcases and I plan to expand that number soon. Is there any way to get
  > .around the limit? Will I finally be forced to buy Suitcase II or MasterJug

The Fonts directory can only hold 128 entries.  But an entry can be a
suitcase, and that suitcase can contain a lot of files.  So, in reality,
there's virtually no limit.  Just combine fonts in those suitcases, and
stay below 128 suitcases, and you'll be in good shape.

You can also move suitcases in and out of the Fonts directory without
restarting the system.  You should avoid, however, changing the contents
of the font directory if multi-font applications are active.

        D/
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts