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From: Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom)
Subject: feeding diff.2 mo. old
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:23:53 GMT

Maybe she has an ear infection?  My daughter has had some with and without 
fevers?  Has she been sick lately?  Sounds exactly like my daughter at about 
3 or 4 mo. when she had her first ear infection.  

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From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: airport waiting area
Date: 5 Jan 1993 20:31:03 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Summary: O'hare is great!

In article <16B4D7452.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:
>In article <16B4D5F7F.BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
>BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann) writes:
> 
>>>a FP Picnic Table and a Duplo table with plenty of blocks.
>>>It was certainly enough to keep Christine entertained for
>>>the 45 minutes or so we had to wait.
>>
>>I've NEVER seen anything like this!  (Airports in New York - Kennedy,
>>Detroit, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Lexington, Munich, Frankfurt)  But,
> 
>I can add Denver, Dallas, Pittsburg, and Ohare to the list.  NEVER saw
>ANYTHING which would help a travler with children.

You must have missed the fun part of O'Hare!  There is an underground
tunnel that connects one of the terminals (C?) to the main airport that
is wonderful--different colored neon lights run the extent of the ceiling and
turn off and on to music.  The walls are decorated with different
colored back-lit panels that create a shimmering effect.  You can ride
the length of the tunnel on two moving walkways or walk.  

I once had a two-hour layover there with a 14-month child in tow.  The walk
to the tunnel ate up some of the time; then we just rode back and forth for
a while while Paul stared at the ceiling with a wide-eyed "wow" expression. 

Trivia question:  Why is O'Hare abbreiviated in the airline business
as ORD?

Sue



Trivia answer:  Because the airport was originally in a small town
outside of Chicago known as Apple Orchard (or Old Orchard, or something
like that). 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Re: Common Sense and Participation
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:34:04 GMT

In article <19930106120317SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer) writes:
 
>>in article <16B4DBDA0.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> Teresa Creech wrote:
>>
>>In article <19930105101523SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
>>Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> writes:
>>
>>>>in article <208@dpfe.UUCP> David R Huddleston Sr announces:
>>>>Come on people!!  [tyrade deleted]
>>>>...
>>>>As a parent, it is your JOB to do this, and if all you care about is a
>>>>new house and car, then don't have kids!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>$
>>>
>>>I think someone has had too much caffeine. :)
>>>
>>>TAMARA
>>>(Not that I disagree with his opinions, but a lot can be said for
>>> method of delivery when presenting one's opinions.)
>>
>>
>>Gee, let's bash the professional parents.  How unfair....
>
>For the record, I wasn't bashing anyone, except *maybe* David.  I too
>am a professional parent.  I just thought David sounded way too wound
>up.
>
>>[part deleted]
>>I wish that people wouldn't try to push their way of life on everyone
>>else.  I like the fact that everyone is different.  It makes the world
>>interesting.  If we were all the same, the world would be boring.
>
>I totally agree.
>
>>Also, nobody MAKES you be a scoutmaster, etc.  You chose to do this.
>>Don't give me grief because I choose to spend the time with my
>>immediate family instead of with everyone elses kids.
>
>Me too.
>
>>Teresa
>>
>
>TAMARA
>(His opinions with which I agreed were making your kids more important
>than your car and house, teaching them manners, and instilling morals.)
 
Tamara,
I wasn't responding to your post.  I was responding to the original post.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.  The original post made it sound like ALL
professional parents would rather not have to worry about their kids.
All of my 'professional' friends dearly love their kids and are very good
parents.
Teresa
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hildin@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kathleen.a.hildin)
Subject: questions for Pediatricians
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:03:59 GMT


Hi all,

I'm due Feb. 25th and decided it's about time 
I found a pediatrician :)  So...did anyone keep
a file on the thread re: questions for pediatricians? 


Thanks much,
Kathy
kah@att.com.hotld

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Re: Castor Oil
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:25:49 CST
In-reply-to: jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu's message of Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:40:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.204054.5867@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:

   Does anyone have any thoughts as to taking castor oil to bring on
   labor??

It worked for us.  My wife started having real contractions monday
morning.  We went to the hospital Monday night but were only 3 cm
dialated and the contrations were slowing down so they sent us home.
By Tuesday at 1:00, she was miserable.  At our appointment at 1:00,
the doctor said to try castor oil.  My wife took it at 2:00.  At 4:30,
she was in real labor and we had the baby Wednesday morning (2 days
ago, ya!!!).

I don't think castor oil is a great help but it can be enough to push
you over the edge if you are close.

Another "advantage" (??) is that it give you diarrea.  This empties
you out so you don't have to worry about pushing the wrong thing out
(my wife is a nurse who saw someone poop at the wrong time so she was
a bit concerned about it).

tim
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Date: Friday, 8 January 1993 09:28:31 MST
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.16R
From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: Let's get practical (was: Why Circumcise?)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Distribution: world

In <1993Jan7.162100.6241@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)  wrote:
# 
# In article <765346d7533481t233@witsend.uucp> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:
# >In <gdavis.726012330@griffin>, gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)  wrote:
# ># Circumcision is socially sanctioned child abuse without a doubt.
# >
# >  So, besides annoying the Net, what are you doing about it?
# 
# Well, do you agree or disagree with the claim?  If you agree, what are YOU
# doing about it?  If not, why do you disagree?  Maybe you should try
# alt.activism and stop "annoying the Net" here.

  We seem to have a failure to communicate.  I am perfectly happy with
  the *status*quo*, with parents making the decisions.  You DON'T seem
  to agree; thus my question.  We've heard *ad*nauseum* about your
  objections to circumcision; once again I'll ask: is it all hot air?

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Subject: Where to live in Boston area?
Organization: Xylogics, Inc.
Distribution: ne
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:20:00 GMT


We (Dena, Michael, and Isabel) will be moving
in about 6 months. We're in Quincy now (near
E. Milton Sq) -  before that I lived in JP
(for 10 years) and Cambridgeport (1 year), and
Michael's lived lots of places in the area
(born in Dorchester). None of the places we've
lived so far quite fits the bill for us now,
with the possible exception of Cambridge.
So I thought I'd put it out as a question to
you helpful misc.kidders - if you were choosing
a new neighborhood near Boston, where would
you go?

Here are our criteria:

Decent public schools
commutable from either job (I'm in Burlington;
Michael's downtown Boston)
Preferably accessible by public transportation
lots of young kids nearby (Isabel will be one this month)
diverse (dare I say 'multicultural'?) community
people with "alternative lifestyles" and/or
progressive politics around
a sizable Jewish (though not necessarily
religious) population would be nice
some decent stores/restaurants/movies
in easy distance would be a plus
safe for Isabel to walk to school or
play outside when she's older

Right now, we're probably looking to rent,
though buying is not totally out of the
question. We're considering Brookline,
and the Arlington/Belmont area.

Anybody out there have any opinions,
experiences, suggestions to share?

My dream would be to find a two-family
somewhere with kids Isabel's age in the
other unit. Anyone looking for tenants :)

(Oh, and we'd consider further out than the
communities listed above - those are just
our "short list" for now)

(and I did post this to "ne" only - so I
hope noone else got it)

thanks - I really could use some input.

-Dena
(rollo@xylogics.com)


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From: oday@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Vicki O'Day)
Subject: Re:  Turning a breech baby
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:43:43 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA


Paula wrote:

> I'm 25 weeks and have always felt kicking at the bottom of my
> uterus, below the belly-button, never at the top.  Is this
> unusual?  I also have an anterior placenta (attached to the front
> of the uterus not the back) and was told that it would not be
> possible to turn the baby with this type of placenta.  The
> possibility of the baby being breech has always been in the back
> of my mind.  Any thoughts?

Well, I'll just suggest what another poster already referred to - see
if in a few weeks you can feel baby parts and figure out what they
are.  I think that the big kicking spots are a good clue to the baby's
position, but they can be confusing.  Sometimes the baby just
stretches, so I feel these big pushes at both ends.  When I'm guessing
where he is, I always do some gentle massage of my abdomen to try to
find the head (which he typically moves as soon as I find it).  The
head is larger than the baby's bottom, though both are round and hard.
My midwife didn't start looking for the baby's position until I was 27
weeks.  Even at that point, it's very early to worry about the baby
staying put - they still have plenty of room to turn somersaults.

Vicki O'Day
oday@hpl.hp.com
From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:41:30 GMT
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center

Issue #1 family safety:
Suppose you were driving alone on a poorly lit street, no other cars and
suddenly an unmarked car pulls up behind you and flashes a red light.
Do you pull over just cause of a red light?  Do you keep driving at or
below the speed limit to a crowded and well lit place first?

Paula Burch writes:
> I don't want authorities 
> bursting into my home at the slightest provocation any more than you do,
No I'm sure you don't, if they do come bursting in, they are likely to
be very tense, one false move, one mistake and someone is easily shot!
I don't think I'll ever forget the poor sucker in Nor. VA who got shot
because a neighbor reported that he had a handgrenade (it was an inert replica). 

But that is not the point:
>but I don't spend energy on planning how to keep them out at all costs, 
>either.
The original poster can hardly be said to have advised
keeping out at all costs, merely not to automatically let them in.

Consider please, that "whacko individual" you refer to in part 2 of this
message could easily dress as police, fire, rescue squad.... if your
home's policy is to automatically let these types of people in why
bother locking your doors at all?

Issue #2 bigotry
>Because the last time I posted something that a fundamentalist Christian 

Tsk tsk, being a little judgemental aren't we (though all of the world's
problems clearly should be laid at the feet of fundamentalist christians,
or was that Jews?)

>Maybe I was out of line in wondering what the writer was trying to hide--
Or even assuming wrong w/o reason :-)

>I have nothing against home-schooling, as long as it's done well--but it 
>just makes me think of those cases you read about in the newspaper. You 
>know, like the parents who went off to Acapulco over the recent holidays, 
>leaving their 9 and 4 year old daughters all alone.

Home schooling makes you think of the whacky Acapulco couple?  Odd.  What
image did home schooling evoke before this story broke?
From: beth@col.hp.com (Beth Vail Jones)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diaper question.
Date: 4 Jan 1993 19:55:43 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpcsqa5.col.hp.com

I've used the Huggies Ultratrim for a few months.  At first, they leaked
at the waist when used overnight (but never at other times, including
naps).  So we used Luvs or "regular" Huggies at night.

For some reason they don't leak at night any more - probably due to less
urine production by my maturing son.  So we use them all the time now.
They seem to absorb as *much* as the others, just maybe not as *fast*
(?? - just a theory).  In fact, it's hard to tell when Andy has a touch
of diarrhea, because all the liquid is completely absorbed by the time
I've taken his diaper off!

I am pleased that the Ultratrim Huggies roll up into such a small ball
of trash.

(No flames, please, about cloth vs paper; we used cloth on my first son
for 20 months, and they just didn't work very well.)

Beth Jones, mother of Ben (4/22/89) and Andy (4/3/91)
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sleep Question/Ferberizing
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:48:23 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

> In article <1993Jan6.003754.2732@math.ucla.edu> dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
>>
>>I respect those who find that Ferberizing is their avenue of choice.
>>It's not mine. I personally made the choice that progressively teaching
>>the child to sleep on its own by letting it cry was not for me. Nor for
>>my son, who is now 13 months.

> certainly for parents whose sleep needs are more
>>profound than mine, the trick of letting the baby cry it out
>>may be the only solution. 


I'm glad you recognize parental sleep needs but I get the impression your
feeling is that it is *only* personal preference (ie wanting more sleep time)
that is involved.

I just want to point out that for many people, and I'm one of them, months or
literally years of constantly interrupted nights do very bad things for the
ability to parent.  I will be honest and say that waking up exhausted every
single morning meant that I was quicker to anger, less tolerant, more difficult
for my husband and children to be around.  At some point when I decided that
the night wakings were making it impossible for me to function in the way I
felt was best for my family, I used a Ferber technique.  And it did work
wonders, for all of us.

So it isn't simply a question of a parent "whose sleep needs are more
profound..."  It can be a question of making life bearable for the whole
family, not least of all the baby.  Frankly, my children's needs for security
are met far better during the day when I'm not trying to tend to them every
couple of hours all night long.  A caveat:  I didn't Ferberize till each child
was over a year old, and still into multiple night wakings.  And of course as
another poster wrote, when my children are sick or something frightens them at
night, "all bets are off".  

Ann Helmers
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Peace?  (was Re: circ on older baby)
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:34:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.202747.1320@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:

>>The OBSTETRICIAN did the circ?  Is that common?
>>
>YES.  You should have known that!
>It was in all the childbirth classes.

This seems to be a retaliation for an earlier posting of mine, in
which I asked Ms. Brindle if she had tried to obtain help with her
breastfeeding troubles.  She took this as an insinuation on my part
that she was not competent.  I absolutely did not intend it that way.
I told her so in private E-mail, but that apparently wasn't good enough,
so here's a public apology.  I'm sorry, I did not mean to impugn your
abilities as a mother.  I should have worded my response more carefully.

If you recall, her posting said that she stopped breastfeeding after
two weeks.  Because she didn't mention anything that she did to try to
solve the problem, I asked her if she got any help.  In doing so I was
not trying to insult her intelligence.  My ONLY reason for posting was
that prospective mothers who are considering breastfeeding (which *was*
the context of the thread, after all) might be scared by a story like
this one.  I wanted to raise the point that problems are common, but
that there are lots of sources of help out there, something that her
posting didn't mention.  Again, I'm sorry if it sounded like an
attack.  I didn't mean it that way.

Believe me, my attacks are generally not subtle.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
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From: Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom)
Subject: Toilet training FAQ request, me too.
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:13:10 GMT

I'd love to have a copy too!  My mail's been bouncing try vandenboom@eadm.ncsu.edu.
Thanks!!!!!!!

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From: albert@endor.uucp (David Albert)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:20:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1993Jan11.232038.13991
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>  What are some general guidelines about how old a child has to
>  be and the period of time left alone?

General guidelines as set by whom?  There are laws in some states, most
of which I feel are overly restrictive.

>  For example:
>  under 10, never left alone.
>  10-12 left alone while mother works
>  13-15 overnight
>  16+ vacation

When I was 6, I went to the bakery by myself to buy bread every morning,
which included crossing a busy street.  (My brother, who was 5, was only
allowed to go to a different bakery that didn't require crossing that
street).  We lived in Paris at the time, and it was the norm for kids
aged 4 or 5 on up to go out every morning to get the bread.  Norms vary
by country and region as well as by decade. I don't know if that's still
being done today, 25 years later.

In most school districts in Jerusalem (another city I lived in for a while)
it was the norm for 5 year olds to walk to school by themselves.  Surely
there must be communities in the US where that is still the norm as well, but
I certainly wouldn't let a 5 year old walk to school alone in New York City.

My sister couldn't be left "alone" at age 3 long enough for me to take
a shower, but by age 4 that was no problem.  At age 4 my mother tried
to go out of the house (about 300 feet away) to mail a letter and my
sister got pretty upset, but by age 4 1/2 she was happy with that, and by
age 5 she would go down the street to mail the letter herself.

My brother and I stayed home alone for short periods (while my parents
went shopping) from the time I was 9 and he was 7.  Also by age 8 I 
was going places on my own (to friends' houses, to museums, etc...) and
all of that seemed perfectly reasonable to me then and still does now.

But each child is different.  State laws, such as exist, tend to assume
all children are irresponsible until the same age.  I can't imagine
wanting to leave *any* 4 year old home alone for more than a minute or two
but I can imagine that some 10 year olds would be perfectly happy to take
care of themselves for a single overnight.

The norm for starting to babysit around here was 12 when I started, and some
of my babysitting jobs by age 13 were overnights, so I that if a large
number of parents felt comfortable leaving me with a baby overnight, they'd
feel at least as comfortable leaving a 13 year old overnight by his/her self.
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From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Date: 13 Jan 93 04:58:39 GMT
	<1993Jan7.195156.13979@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
	<1993Jan8.131657.11951@nynexst.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sylvan Associates

The message I wanted to respond to was purged from my system before I
got aroundtuit....

The 18 month old is most certainly old enough to learn about not
throwing food. We don't allow our 10 month old to do it. I don't know
if the person asking about it described the food throwing scenerio in
detail, but I pretty much suggest removing food from the child's reach
when the child starts throwing. Don't remove the child from the high
chair immediately, or you'll have food on the floor at the end of each
meal!

We would assume that the child was done eating when the food starts to
hit the floor, and would put it out of reach. If the child objects
strongly, have them wait 1 minute (they're still young!) then give
them another chance. Say strongly 'Food stays on your plate or in your
mouth, it is not for throwing'. Give the child 2 or 3 chances during
the meal, and then don't give them their food back. This isn't about
punishing the child, it's just that they can't have food if they're
going to throw it on the floor.

Watch the pattern - is it food throwing at the end of the meal? Does
unwanted food go over? all food? does it start after a few minutes?
Does the child do something in particular before the throwing starts?
See what you can do to stop the activity before it happens -- if the
child picks up food and looks like s/he's going to throw it, then you
can intervene, 'Oh, you don't want that food, here, put it on this
plate' and give the child a place to put their unwanted food. Some
kids don't want to leave food they don't want on their own plates.
Some kids get overwhelmed and start to throw food if there's too much
on their plates at any given time - giving a child like that just a
little food, and then more small helpings as they finish what they've
got helps with that situation, too (also gives them a lot less food to
throw).

In many situations with toddlers, you still need to control the
enviroment a lot to make guiding their behaviors an easier job. In
this case you need to stay calm and prevent food throwing either
before or afterwards (by taking away remaining food). It might take
many repetitions for the child to learn the new behavior, particularly
since they're in the habit of throwing food, but that's not a reason
to punish, just to keep at it.

Good luck!

-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
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