HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Subject: Re: sampling and human hearing range (was Re: (none))
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:14:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.212630.26886@debbie>, harley@tt.com (Scott Drysdale) writes:
>In article <a#xnbdk.payner@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>>In article <H.BFMk5qm6YLM@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca> jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>>>In <+qwn34l.payner@netcom.com>, Rich Payne writes:
>>>>
>>>>DATS sample at 48KHZ so that one cannot make a direct digital copy from
>>>>CD's to DATs. 
>>>> 
>>>	Then why do they also sample at 44.1? And if your conjecture was true, 
>>
>>This is -not- conjecture. This is the reason why we do not have DAT today, 
>>except for introductory high-priced offerings. The audio industry put a great
>>deal of pressure on congress (whoever, I am not certain), and completely stopped
>>the introduction of DAT to the US. The response of the manufacturers was to 
>>change the sampling rate to prevent direct digital copies. This is history, not
>>conjecture. Your assertion is one of ignorance, not past events.
>
>incorrect.  DAT is quite available.  there are no laws in the us against DAT
>machines, and no laws requiring SCMS (the digital copy protect code).  the
>manufacturers are putting SCMS into the machines, and the manufacturers are
>keeping the prices high.  can you say "SONY?"

Please note that Rich did NOT claim that Congress passed any laws requiring
copy protection.  He stated that the audio industry (actually, it was the
recording industry) lobbied Congress for such laws.  Except for choosing the
wrong adjective to describe the industry, Rich is correct.  The response of DAT
manufacturers was to change the specifications for the equipment BEFORE
Congress could pass laws in this area.

>>What has happened since then I have not followed. Here -I- am ignorant. But
>>that does not change history.
>
>the history you describe must be that of a parallel universe.

No, but the language you speak appears to be some rather odd variant of
English.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: bgilbert@cs.washington.edu (Benjamin Gilbert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Buying a Falcon (was: Falcon Graphics)
Date: 8 Sep 92 03:35:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Sep8.033525.17023
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Sep7.153742.21904@zooid.guild.org> Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:

[ stuff deleted ]

>
>I have just purchased a system which costs the same as 5-6 Falcon computers.
>It offers all I would ever want and much more. I know it will be supported
>and supported well. Software is available everywhere and I can go and buy
>anything for it everywhere. 
>

Hmm, what I could buy with $4500+...  Let's see, TT030, 8MB, 120MB HD, 20"
multisync, Crazy Dots graphics card, maybe throw in a printer too...  :)

I believe that would offer all I could want for quite some time.  At least
until 64-bit home computers/parallel processors become widely available.  :-)

>Mark K.
>E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org
> 

Ben Gilbert
bgilbert@cs.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Why no floppy port on the Falcon??
From: dtarico@violet.ccit.arizona.edu
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:25:59 MST
Distribution: world,local
Nntp-Posting-User: dtarico

In article <1992Sep10.092828.24518@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>, ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher) writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.222135.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> dtarico@violet.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>>Can anybody give a good reason why the Falcon would not have an external
>>floppy drive port?  If not, I think it is really stupid that they left it
>>off.  They immediately make the Spectre GCR (in it's current form) 
>>incompatible by doing so.  I also have an external HD drive that I would
>>like to be able to use.  Unless there is some good reason for leaving off
>>the floppy drive port, I think this was a pretty stupid move.  It seems
>>like a simple option to include.  Hasn't it been included in all previous
>>ST(e) and TT models?  
> 
> I think there is a very good reason.. not enough space on either the back of
> the machine or the circuit board.
> 
> From the photos I've seen of the Falcon's internals they are pretty crammed
> as it is!
> 
> Would you prefer a floopy port to the SCSI2 interface, or would you like not
> to be able to have an internal hard drive?
> 
> In this small a machine everything is a compromise.
> 
>>-- 
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>         Doug Tarico                      
>>    dtarico@ccit.arizona.edu         Where's it gonna get you when
>>      doug@sie.arizona.edu               your time comes up?
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Steve
> --
> Addresses:-
> JANET:-		ucacmsu@uk.ac.ucl or	steve@uk.ac.ox.earth (preferable)
> Internet:-	ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk or	steve@earth.ox.ac.uk (preferable)

Maybe this is just me, but I would be plenty happy to give up the IDE hard
drive port for a floppy drive port.
-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
         Doug Tarico                      
    dtarico@ccit.arizona.edu         Where's it gonna get you when
      doug@sie.arizona.edu               your time comes up?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Hard disk Defragmenters, any suggestions?
From: Steven.Wells@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 01:09:37 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange



IBM-users need de-fragmenters, as their Hard-Drive accessing is much
slower than the ST's!

(Also, slow Hard-Drives benefit from de-fragmentation)

There is a program called 'Reorg' which probably comes with 'DL-II'
this de-fragments floppies and Hard-drives.  

The best one is 'Chk-Disk' which Atari in their infinite wisdom
released only to developers!  But, it is rarely available on *some*
FTP sites!  (I've seen it around)
-- 
    
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: wwc@vsnhda.cern.ch (Wolfgang Wander)
Subject: Re: CoNnect
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, Geneva
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:27:55 GMT

> What's the filename of this new version of 'Connect'??

conn152.lzh

  Wolfgang

Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:13624 rec.audio:12370 sci.skeptic:16285
From: mpark@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Park)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,rec.audio,sci.skeptic
Subject: sampling and human hearing range (was Re: (none))
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:39:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep11.173910.279
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <2250287@overmind.citadel> only_bbs!JOHN_LOCKARD@overmind.mind.org writes:
...
> Between the sampling rates of twice the freqency and four times  
> the freqency of the sine-wave you get complex phase, frequency,  
> and amplitude distortions that aren't easy to filter out.  
>   
> That's why to get the 35KHz wave that the human ear is supposed  
> to detect you need at least 100KHz or more to reproduce the sound.  

Does anyone have a reference to the [British?] research that
supposedly demonstrates that the ear can detect "nuances" in
sound up to 35kHz?  Or any research that demonstrates that the
conventionally-accepted human hearing range (~20Hz to ~20kHz)
needs to be reconsidered?
How about the idea that signals must be sampled at _three_ times
their highest frequency?

[newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st - where this started
             rec.audio - surely some audiophile knows a reference
             sci.skeptic - to keep the audiophiles honest :^)
  can't decide where to followup-to...]



-- 
Ciao-abunga!           +-------------------------------------+
Michael Park           | This space intentionally left blank |
mpark@u.washington.edu +-------------------------------------+
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:16:12 -0400 
From: Stefan Monnier <sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Help! Confusion Abounds! Please, PL

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 14-Sep-92 Help! Confusion
Abounds! .. Kenneth W. Smith@cyclops (574)


> 	Hello, Fellow-Netters!
> 	Could some kind soul point this confused soul in the direction
> of an Atari FAQ?  My boss wants to get a hold of an Atari 520, (it's
> a long story...:), and everywhere I call to get info re: pricing, etc.,
> I get bombarded with "ST, STe, ST FM, TT"!  YAH!  I'm more confused than
> a freshman in a terminal room!  :)
> 	Anyway, if a FAQ won't explain the differences in machines to me,
> could someone (again, another kind soul) e-mail me the specs on the
> machines in the Atari world?
> 	Thanx in advance,

> 	K. W. Smith, Jr.
> 	kws1x@cyclops.micr.virginia.edu



As usual, the FAQ (as a huge quantity of other FAQs)
is available by ftp anonymous by

pit-manager.mit.edu	/pub/usenet/...

	Stefan Monnier

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-- On the average, people seem to be acting normal --
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From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari Conference at GEnie 9/9
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:56:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson) says:

>In article <18kvj7INNbu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson) says:
>>
>>>Good news!!!  According to Bill Rehbock at the CIS conference, 
>>>the Falcon030 has passed FCC Class B specifications and they
>>>are only waiting for the paperwork certification.  And people
>>>thought it would take a few months just for THIS to happen. <grin>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Ok, who paid off the FCC?  :)
>
>Not the Tramiels, that's for sure!  They wouldn't be able to
>justify the expense. <grin>  Anyway, it also sounded like 
>they still plan on having limited availability of the Falcon030
>in the U.S. by mid to late October and that they'll only be
>shipping units to developers between now and then.  That wasn't
>said outright, as far as I know, but it seemed implied.

If I were the Tramiels, I'd ship a shit load of them over to
Europe and sell them like hotcakes.

I'd ship a couple of them to each of the Atari dealerships
and have them take orders from October to the beginning of December.
I would then ship the Falcon's orderd in December in time for
Christmas.

I'd also get those machines to developers immediately, though,
I suspect that very few U.S. developers are eager to develop for the
machine.

This way, everyone is happy.

But to tell you the truth, this Christmas season belongs to the
Lynx.  Next year's Christmas season will belong to the Falcon.
And 1994's Christmas season will belong to the Jaguar.

I bet Atari will be able to sell a few million Lynx systems and
around ten million game cards this Christmas if they advertise it
enough.  My gosh, they will have 80 some game cards available.

QUALITY game cards.

>


--
From: jared@midiline.la.ca.us ('286 Highlander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Falcon capabilities...
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 23:14:05 PDT
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

Can someone please give me some specs on the Falc?  Please reference them 
to me in Email...


-----
jared@midiline.la.ca.us ('286 Highlander) 
MIDILine BBS (midiline.la.ca.us) - Altadena CA - (818)797-3285
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs)
Subject: Re: PERFPICH.TOS v1.1 posted to a.a
Summary: Let's get exactly one specific example....PLEASE!!!
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:58:57 GMT

In article <18kqgmINNnfi@peponi.wcc.govt.nz> sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>
>ZOO is far to bugy and has to many limitations, no output redirection
>and no folder creation..
>
>
>I am a Electronics/Computer Eng, with some 35 experience, and I have had more
>problems with ZOO than any other archive format..
>
>Plus have had a Atari since 1986, and what I state is fact and not fiction...

I know from personal experience that zoo201.ttp allows redirection of output
to a file (as in zoo -list ZOOFILE > LOGFILE) and creates directories as
needed (as in zoo -restore ZOOFILE).  It seems we have gone over this ground
before, with a great deal of heat and little light.

Please give us exactly ONE name of a widely available zoo file which does
not unpack the way you want it to.  Please say what kind of output redirection
you want to do (if it isn't UNIX-oid > or | redirection, an example of lharc
commands which did what you mean would be helpful).  If your example doesn't 
create directories properly with "zoo -restore" or "zoo e//" that would be
helpful in explaining your complaint.

This is a request for one or at most two examples.  Please be helpful by
giving exactly that.
                                           Steve
From: thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: jpeg and Zip
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:12:10 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Hiyas,

  I tried  getting a file "Jpegv3.zip" off of terminator and
I tried to unzip it and it  wouldn't unzip.  Can someone tell
me of something taht will either a) read jpeg files. b) convert
jpeg files to gif files orc) will unzip Jpegv3.zip.  Actually
on a or b I want somethingthat will unzip as well.  I've been
having problems with lzh files as well.. any suggestions?  (And,
yes,i've been transferring in binarymode)

alex
From: cd827@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey J. McWilliams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Need Vt100 codes.
Date: 15 Sep 1992 20:44:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd827@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey J. McWilliams)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I need codes for VT100.  I a doc file on this posted to this group a while
ago, but going through some 1000+ previous posts yielded nothing.
Could some kind soul repost or e-mail me this info?
Thanks!

-- 
Jeff McWilliams  -->student, Electrical Enginnering, Michigan Tech. Univ.

cd827@cleveland.freenet.edu  OR  jjmcwill@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Why no floppy port on the Falcon??
Date: 12 Sep 1992 02:16:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu (J.J. Lehett) says:

>     Well, if it came to a choice between the SCSI 2 port, and the floppy
>port, I think most would agree that the SCSI 2 port was the way to go.  We
>are after all talking about a machine with not a tremendous amount of room
>back there.
>     The SCSI 2 port should more than make up for any 'tears' shed by not
>having a external floppy port.  So many folks are getting upset about
>having a port that is becoming less and less a standard (the 720K Atari
>floppy) when what thay are getting is a port than can handle a new 1.44, 2.88,
>floptical, and hard drives to boot.  And all STANDARDLY available!  I think
>its really a small price to pay.   (I highly expect Dave Small  will have
>a fix to get a GCR working with the Falcons).
>------------------
>J.J. Lehett     : Atari's, puzzles, games, chaos, fractals, math....
>

I guess I'll have to agree.  We all cried about not having CD-ROMs
available for our computer.

The SCSI 2 port should help a lot there.

I thought about how the Falcon 030 and Jaguar could possibly
be compatible with each other.

We hear that the Jaguar may have two 68030 processors running in
parallel.  Well, what happens if you stick another 68030 in that
empty processor slot?

And, I bet the Jaguar wilhave a CD player built in...

What happens if you just add a CD player to that SCSI port in the back?

I'll bet that the Falcon 030 and future Jaguar are very closely
related and I'll that both were worked on the same time...


--
From: only_bbs!JOHN_LOCKARD@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: (none)
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:34:00 GMT
Organization: Ouch! That Hurt!
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant


  TO: mpark @ milton.u.washington  
   
 > Are you saying that "nuances" up to 50kHz are perceptible?  
   
 I think that it was up to 35K.  
   
 > Please back up this claim.  
   
 That'd be a little had to do.  I don't remember the reference to it.  
 I do remember that Audiophille Audition - a public radio program -  
 mentioned it sometime around March last year.  But I don't remember  
 what magazine had it.  Hmmm...  John Sunay (sp?) does write articles  
 for Audio magazine, but I don't think that's where I saw it.  Maybe  
 there's an audio/professionals net you have access to?
From: aa384@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Wokoun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PowerDOS Freeware?
Date: 11 Sep 1992 05:04:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa384@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Wokoun)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) says:
>In <1992Sep10.184903.8603@u.washington.edu>, Daniel Aylward writes:
>>I read in the last AEO that PowerDOS is now freeware.  Does anyone know
>>where I can get it?  I assume it's up on GEnie...  I don't have an account
>>there.
>
>	As a general warning, several people around here who have tried
>this program have reported scrambled partitions and other hard 
>drive problems. If you do try using it, you'd be wise to back
>yp your hard drive first.

	Oh, really?  Yuck.  I tried installing that and ran the DOSTESTR
program which creates and deletes a bunch of files and screwed up a few
directories badly.  I thought it was the test program, which crashed.

	I didn't notice the promised tremendous speed gain, but...who
knows.  It certainly won't compete with MiNT.

-- 
         Doug Wokoun          |"The use of Fashions in thought is to distract
(aa384@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) | the attention of men from their real dangers."
           - - -              |
        Atari S I G           |				-C.S. Lewis
Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:13460 comp.sys.atari.8bit:4585
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.8bit,alt.znet.fnet
Subject: alt.ZNET
From: znet@status.gen.nz
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 07:33:22 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Z*NET G.N. Gateway

Greetings,

Date     :  September 06th 1992
Subject  :  Alt.znet and related groups

For      :  New Zealand, WORLD


As you may recall we requested a RFD for a news group in the atari
section to carry all the Z*NET FNET feeds.  Well I guess it was the
old story of no-one wanting it so it is not going ahead.

What we have done is placed all the news in a ALT group instead. 
We have over this weekend placed over 200 messages in the news
group alt.znet.fnet relating from things like Bob Brodie (from
Atari Inc USA) talking about the Falcon to people talking about 
the award Z*NET PC won this year. 

We have created a series of news groups under the ALT.ZNET banner
being ..
 
             alt.znet.aeo  <- this is an ascii magazine called
                               Atari Explorer On-line (ex ZNET)
                               and carries not only the magazine
                               but also the discussion on AEO.
             alt.znet.pc   <-  this is also an ascii magazine 
                               dealing with the PC/UNIX/OS2/
                               Windows world of computing. This
                               news group also carries the magazine
                               and other topics of interest relating
                               to it.
             alt.znet.fnet <-  this is the Z*NET FNET gateway. Here  
                               you have a chance to talk back to the
                               FNET conferences. Currently we are
                               running at about 100 messages aday
                               including input from Fido-net as well.

We have not created the alt.znet.zmag at this point as the 8 bitters
have indicated they do not want this magazine in the net at this point
in time. However it is available as well should demand require it.

Well I hope you enjoy all the new news from Atari to OS2 and every machine
on the way.  Any comments can be directed to Ron at his CIS address or
via the gateway here to znet@status.gen.nz 

Remember to ask your system administrator to carry the alt.znet groups
in your _country_.

Best regards

The Z*NET Global News Gateway Crew.
Z*NET free ascii magazines dealing with most brands of computers.
From: plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: What is a *.PRN? (Related to SHEET)
Date: 6 Sep 92 05:53:00 GMT
Organization: Dicomed, Inc.


When I try to print using SHEET ( the spread sheet program) the file
selector comes up and I'm supposed to select a *.PRN file.  What is this?
A printer driver I assume, but where do I get it?

Regards,
Doug Plate (Sr.)
From: cpr@dde.dk (Claus Priisholm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Any suggestions for term.progs that can handle dial-back modems
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:48:29 GMT
Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S

I am looking for a terminal emulation program which can handle calls
to (or rather from) dial back modems.

I've been using Uniterm so far, and I'm quite happy with it. Unfortunately
it doesn't seem to be working with dial back modems. It does not pick up
the phone when the hosts dial back. 

Maybe I am doing something wrong, in any case I would like any
pointers to how I solve the problems or what program to use instead.

thanks

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