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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: AA chipset in the A3000 -> I expect it!
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:33:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.092146.6399@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.161521.14376@athena.mit.edu> fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:
>>I dunno..  what were prices in Australia during the Power-Up offer?  In the
>>U.S., you could get an A3000 25/50 for $2250 via Power Up.  It is sad that
>>C= Australia didn't offer a similar upgrade incentive.
>
>I think the A3000 was initially about $Aust 4500 with a monitor.  There 
>was no upgrade deal from the A2000.  Now that the price of the A3000 has 
>dropped to be almost reasonable ($Aust. 3300)

It's worth pointing out for our American readers that that's about US$2400 at
present - hence my point that you have to look at the actual prices before
complaining that Commodore Australia don't offer a deal called "Power Up".

>the price of the A2000 
>has dropped by such an incredible amount that 2nd-hand A2000s
>are near worthless.

New A2000HDs, with 52 MB hard drive, can be had for around $1350 (US$1000).
A basic A2000 doesn't cost much more than an HD-less A600 at the moment.  I
don't like remembering that I thought I got a good deal when I bought my
A2000, without hard drive or monitor, for $1800 three years ago...

As for the second hand market - just wait 'till the new AA machines are
released!  Try selling an A2000 then...   ;-)


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: Donald.Kennedy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Donald Kennedy)
Subject: Zkick 2.x on A2000
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:45:10 GMT

I want to get into the world of 2.x computing, but with the promise of
changes in short order, I want to start with Zkick until the ROM version
of choice is clear to me. I don't, however, know how to do this. Can
anyone either post or email me instructions on how to get started on this
project?

Thanks,
Don Kennedy
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: What makes OS on ROM _WORSE_ than one on disk???

In article <talan.02wd@tension.UUCP>, talan@tension.UUCP (Dave Bicking) says:
>
>you seem to need to learn a bit more.  First of all, the "Amighty Macintosh"
>has their OS on ROM.  Second, the "Almighty Windows 3.1" is coming out with
           ^^^^^^^^^
Depending on the machine model...  Part of the OS sits on the disk and
is used to patch up the older roms.  That's why there are inits files.

>a ROM OS.  Gee, looks like you'll be reduced to using that godlike ST
>(Falcon?) OS, since it is almost the only one left on disk!

>I would also like to note that the Windows on ROM will take a fraction of the
>disk space of the disk version (obviously) and run considerably FASTER, and
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Huh ?  How do you run faster when EPROM/ROM speeds are considerably
slower than RAM ?  Can you explain why there are shadow ROMs (running
the ROM images in memory) for people who wants better performance ?

How fast can a 512K byte mask ROM or EPROM runs at ?

It might consider be faster becuase it doesn't have to be loaded in.
At speeds the HD are capable of doing (ie 500K/sec to a couple of mes/sec
for really expensive ones), loading up the OS takes may be a couple of
seconds and you only do that once when you start up the machine.  (Unless
the OS is so buggy that ity has to be rebooted every 3 minutes. :) :) :)

>You next infer that the Amiga ROM upgrade is vastly more expensive than a disk
>upgrade.  Well, compare a $45 Amiga ROM to the $150 Windows package and the
>equally expensive OS/2.  I can get DOS 5.0 from a computer store for "as
>little as" $70.  Gee, ROMS are terrible, aren't they?  Too bad we don't NEED
I agree with the low Amiga OS prices.  Don't forget that MS makes money
on software.  They don't sell OS at cost.  C= sells hardwares.  Selling
the OS is a way for customer service.  Otherwise we'll only have DOS 1.0
and start buying OS' from Mickysoft.  I can still remember the $30 1.3
(disks only) upgrade.  I might try to pick up the 2.04 or 2.1 and try
to hack it in my A1000.  (The hack is the fun part for me. :)

>Dave Bicking
>Programmed Solutions, Inc.

K. C. Lee
Elec. Eng. Grad. Student
From: woodard@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Paul "The Optimistic Cynic" Woodard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Help with a laser printer
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:49:55 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


   I recently obtained an HP IIP plus laser printer for use with my
Amiga.  I eventually plan on upgrading it to Postscript, but until
then, I have been using the Post program to print my PS files.  
I am looking, however, for the symbol character set, since much of
what I print out (well, ok, almost all of it) is technical in
nature.  I found some fonts used with the MSDOS ghostscript
program, but they don't work.  I assume that they can be converted
somehow, but I don't know how.

I am also interested in printing plots (such as those created by
gnuplot) but I haven't had much success.  (The printer doesn't have
enough memory for me to save them as postscript, then dump them,
and when I try to print directly, I get garbage)

Any other advice or info would be appreciated (such as the location
of a more current printer driver, etc)  I am running a 2000 with 
'020 accelerator, WB1.3 and 7megs of ram (0.5 chip) if that
matters.


Paul Woodard (woodard@ecn.purdue.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: hbechtel@luke.wsu.edu (H. E. Bechtel)
Subject: Amiga history:  past present future
Originator: hbechtel@luke.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University!
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 02:30:12 GMT

Hello all!

For the first Amiga Club Meeting of the semester, I need some help
on the content...

I am interested in the following topics (that will be presented during
the meeting the 13th of september):

Amiga History, past present and future.

Please email me at hbechtel@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  with your input on those
topics.  Please note on top of your email which ones you are refering to,
past, present, or future.  The club intends to present everybody with an
equal view on the Amiga including the complete history.

People from CBM, and the Big ones (Leo, RJ, etc...) would be appreciated
in their views.  

Thanks for your input on this matter.  I can separate the input as it comes 
in and then post a summary if it is warranted.

Hans Bechtel
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From: brianh@f20.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Heyboer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Correct, Not Correct,
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 23:15:11 EDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/20 - Mercury Opus NEC360, St Petersburg FL

In a previous message, bdonison@cookie.UVic.CA (Only AMIGA!) writes:

OA> PC HD drives are great.  The speed is controled via software so they can
OA> even read/write Mac floppies.  At least the ones that actually folow the
OA> standard and not just faking it with their own BIOS.  And they are cheep!
OA> It would have been nice if the new Amiga HD drives were PC HD drives
OA> with different controlers set at the correct speeds for 880K and 1.76K,
OA> then someone could write a DOS driver for them.

PC high density floppies spin at a fixed 300 RPM.  Most I've looked
at use the same Hitachi HA13432 motor control chip. Perhaps it is the
transfer speed you are referring to (not that I've actually seen
anything other than the standard 250/500/1000 KBaud)?  The max data
transfer speed of the Denise is 250 KBaud.  Thus, the drive spin speed
must be slowed to do twice the density. This is NOT how the IBM/clones
accomplish the task -- they change the transfer rate.

Please tell me a program on the IBM which will read any Mac format other
than the SuperDrive HD format.  With the SuperDrive in HD mode, the Mac
no longer uses multiple speeds.  But for all other drives/modes, they
use multiple speeds and I have yet to see anything on any other platform
that can read the disks without special interfacing hardware (such as
Sybil and AMAX-II+).

You are right that it would be nice if the Amiga drives were standard
HD drives -- but that's just not possible with the current hardware.
A lot of folks have been trying to tell you these facts, but you
continue to ignore them.
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From: tomme@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Thomas Holmstr|m)
Subject: Wrong diskfont.library (36.??)
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:20:43 GMT

When I try to run Fountain it says I need v37 of diskfont library. The
version command says my diskfont.lib is v36.?? (I'm not at home now).
I got all libs with my 2.0 rom upgrade and it's the same on both the
systems and install disks. Is there a more recent version of the lib and
why isn't it supplied with the upgrade? Or is it something else that's
wrong. I don't think anything in my configuration would matter...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: markus@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Markus Illenseer)
Subject: Re: Amiga<->Amiga via Null-modem cable
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 20:33:13 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.
Keywords: nullmodem, transfer

In article <1992Aug24.051840.27257@eua.ericsson.se>, etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl) writes:
|> I and a fried connected a A500 and a A2000 with a null-modem
|> cable.  One both sides, we used Term2.2b and the port was locked
|> at 38k4.  

 Sorry ? 38k4 or 38kbit ?

|> My question: How fast can you transfer files using this method? 
|> We couldn't go any faster than 38k4 without getting CRC-errors 
|> all the time. The result at 38k4 wasn't to bad though - approx.
|> 2100cps.
|> 
|> //
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 See, you have a slow computer, don't expect anything higher than 38kbaud.
 For the higher speedmodes you need a faster CPU (at least 010).
 Try to stop all other programms in the background to get a more stable 
 connection.

 Also you might consider to use parnet for better performance for file-copy.

 Fun, Markus.

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From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CBM/Amiga vs NewTek/Toaster
Date: 29 Aug 92 07:40:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Aug29.004022.1329
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)


 > Well, since about July NewTek has not been allowed to put the Video
 > Toaster Workstation sticker on the A2000s.

Hadn't heard that.  Last word I heard on the grapevine was that NewTek will
cease selling "Toaster Workstations" as soon as those currently in the
pipeline are shipped.  Not sure what this means but it sounds as if NewTek
is getting out of the business of selling Amigas altogether.


 > I don't see why C= would care if a dealer stocked C= products and NewTek
 > products.

I don't think that applies to this case.  Wasn't NewTek selling A2000s
directly to customers?  Did they ever sell the "Toaster Workstations" to
resellers?  Many manufacturers with weak products resent having stronger
products demonstarted in the same viscinity as their products.  An A3000
shown doing it's thing next to lesser machines, for eample.  Not too many
Macs, clones, and Amigas are sold from a single computer store.  Come to
think of it, I've never seen such a retail combo.  How come?  Because
someone doesn't want that to happen.  I wonder who that could be?  ;-)



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From: nverenin@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Spumoni the Fat Wok   )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: AAchip for 3000(was Re: Offic. new C= Announcements!)
Date: 28 Aug 92 06:50:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug27.235506.16573@news.cs.indiana.edu> jpbaker@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Jon P Baker) writes:
>There will be an upgrade, even if not sanctioned by commodore. This is the
>computer that A) spawned the group of owners everyone else loves to hate
>(sometimes with reason) and B) makes it so you can use almost anything
>no matter how old your computer is.
>
>You can upgrade your A1000 to have ECS chips, 2meg of Chip ram, etc. I
>wouldn't be too worried.
>
>Jon


	ECS chips are only 16-bit, am I right? Also, most of the
stuff you can get for Amigas these days is pretty much compatible
with everything else, seeing that all Amigas with the exception of
the 3000(T)are nearly identical in terms of architecture. If these
fabled new chips use a 32 bit data bus, then there has been a design
introduced that will be largely incompatible. I won't speak for
Commodore's marketing (not nicely anyway) but their engineers have
probably considered every possibility...and, with that in mind, have
most likely come up with a solution for upgrades to older
machines...possibly a "crippled" chip set that would only address
some of the lower bandwidth modes. If anyone has read that "illegal"
posting of V39, they'd know that the low and medium res 8 bit modes
are 1X bandwidth, which would probably be doable on a 16 bit data
path. However, everything else requires a bit more muscle. That doc
did say that all display modes would not be available on all
machines...and since it hardly makes sense for Commodore to cripple
their own new chipset design in a new machine, they may be referring
to the possibility of compatibility with older models. The 3000
hopefully will be fully upgradeable.
	As for "users that people love to hate", that may be only
partially true. I've noticed that the Amiga attracts a lot of
creative art-types who are studied in the art of non-conformity.
It's just as well. Such a interesting platform should attract
equally interesting people, IMHO. Keeps things fun.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: gowen@sevmsa.cs.msstate.edu
Subject: PasTeX on U.S. FTP, where?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:03:26 GMT

Does anyone know if PasTeX is on any U.S. FTP sites for the Amiga?  I would
think that the various U.S. mirrors would contain this program, but I cannot
find it anywhere.  If PasTeX is not on any U.S. mirrors, can someone add it
sometime?

Thanks,

Lon

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: aj755@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Kowicki)
Subject: Re: Recent uploads to amiga.physik.unizh.ch (faulty AmokEd1_30.lha)
Reply-To: aj755@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Kowicki)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 08:00:41 GMT


In a previous article, ftp@amiga.physik.unizh.ch (FTP Admin) says:


>AmokEd1_30.lha       word    4  33K text editor (DME compatible)

I just wanted to drop a note here by saying that this file is
corrupt.  Everything dearchives except AmokEd itself (apparently,
it may be missing from the archive).

My *.lha dearchiving program tells me that there really should
be 56809K of file.  I downloaded the above from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu.

Since it's listed as 33K here, I assume it is faulty everywhere
else along the aminet too.

Meanwhile, I'll wait for a decent file of this to come along.
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From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Time Management/Scheduling S/W ???????
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:47:05 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

In article <1992Aug26.172748.328@doc.bmd.trw.com>
rthorstr@doc.bmd.trw.com writes:

| I'm looking for some "time management/scheduling" software.  Can anyone tell
| me where I can find some, either commercial or pd or shareware?

For WHAT computer?

If it's for a Sun, SGI, HP, Honeywell, DEC, IBM, etc etc send email to:

	nis@netcom.com

and ask about "GraphicVUE" (a commercial product (best in the industry), used
by all major world governments, military organizations, banks, and even by
TRW's competitors! :-))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: alexr@capella.EETECH.McGill.CA (Alex Rousseau)
Subject: Re: CanDo Jr....AARGH!!!
Keywords: n
Organization: McGill University - Montreal, CANADA.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 18:35:33 GMT

Yep. Just run PAL, a cli utility which turns your NTSC machine into its
european equivalent. (it changes the screen display aspect ratio to allow
for PAL's greater resolution.)

Alex.
From: rang@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken)
Subject: Call C= !(was Re: AA chipset in the A3000 -> I expect it!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Reply-To: rang@ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:21:25 GMT

In article <talan.02w7@tension.UUCP> talan@tension.UUCP (Dave Bicking) writes:
>There's been a lot of speculation on the new AA Chipset and whether it would
>actually work on an A3000 computer.  I, as a recent purchaser of an A3000,
>expect it to be available - in the current slots.

>Why?  (you ask incredulously :).  Well, some time ago, I was a brief intern
>at C= Westchester, and specifically asked about this (long before I purchased
>the A3000).  At _that_ time, they were expecting it to fit in the A3000
>motherboard.  They said that the Motherboard's chip socket had a 32-bit
>bandwidth, while the ECS still only used 16 (eg: they thought ahead).

One of the reasons why I bought an Amiga 3000 when it was first out..

>I believed this explanation, as the entire A3000 architecture is a 32-bit
>system (right down to the expansion bus).  I still believe it (tho much of
>the talk here has begun to erode my Faith).  Since that time, hardware
>problems may have rendered A3000 compatibility moot (ie: chips turned out too
>big).  I hope not.  I also hope C= will offer a real nice upgrade package to
>those of us still in the Gold Service warranty category (I've only had mine
>for 3 months!)

Well, with all this talk, I hope it's clear that C= better come up with some
answers NOW or VERY soon in order to protect its investments...Any answer now
could actually increase some sales of 3000's and provide a little faith in
C=...

Jyanken
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: ed@zaphod.uchicago.edu (Ed Friedman)
Subject: CDTV alive??
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Univ. of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:27:16 GMT


Since CDTV is not dead, who is now in charge of CDTV in place of
Gail Wellington?

Thanks in advance,
Ed Friedman
From: Les_Jenkins@lppl.mi.org (Les Jenkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: high density floppies on A3000T?
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:42:06 GMT
Organization: Les's Place BBS


Here's a question: When will we be able to purchase one of these HD drives
as a seperate entity for the older machines? I wouldn't mind having a
couple on my A2000 for backing up my BBS with...



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From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (rock)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CBM/Amiga vs NewTek/T
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 05:17:21 EDT
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r

EB>From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
EB>

EB> > ...Commodore told many of its dealers not to sign on as authorized
EB> > Toaster Workstation dealers or else risk losing their official Commod
EB> > dealer status.
EB>
EB>My.  What a nifty way of having your rear end torn off in court for
EB>"illegal infringement of trade practices".  CBM doesn't have a legal leg
EB>stand on with this and if they were stupid enough to write that down,
EB>someone could have ripped 'em a new one.  Manufacturers are NOT allowed 
EB>dictate what retailers can sell or not sell.  Sheesh...

Huh?  Where do you get this information from?  It is a well known fact that
commodore requires authorised dealers/developers to agree to abide by
certain strictures in order to acquire and retain such devine status.
Among these agreements are things such as nondisclosure of beta products,
and for dealers, I suspect you would find a requirement that the dealer in
question would lose his authorised status if he sold products not approved
by C=.  That's not infringement.  If someone wanted to complain in court, a
judge would tell them, "You agreed to it, now you have to abide by C='s
rules or C= has the right to excommunicate you.  Sez so right here, above
your grotty signature.  You _did_ read this before you signed it didn't
you?"  The slimy C= corporate type snickers and goes out for pizza to
celebrate the judge throwing out the case..., while the former authorised
dealer slashes his wrists while simultaneously mailing a bomb to your
address...

Or, in simpler terms, I think C= certainly _can_ do that...;)


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