From: silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: To the Clinton supporters
Date: 7 Nov 1992 21:27:59 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
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 brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
>
>	Everything Clinton and Gore have been demanding involves
>putting millstones on our necks "for the common good".  Whether or not
>you think that all these limits on individual freedom are going to be "better"
>in some way than if we were's chained down by government regulations and taxes,
>a millstone is still a millstone, and it is guaranteed to get worse.
>
>
	Is anyone else out there tired of middle class Libertarians 
whining about the gross impositions placed upon them by the need to
give a little to the common good? This ME, ME, ME, MINE, MINE, MINE
attitude is the emotional underpinning for nearly every tenet of the
Libertarian creed. Yet the proponents of this creed are _invariably_ 
recipients of innumerable social bennies bestowed upon them throughout 
their lifetimes by the 'overarching' government they claim to fear
and loathe. 
	The only problem I have with America's pro-active government
policies right now buddy, is you. In a better, 'more free' day and
age there existed a 50-50 chance that you would not be here now to
post this drivel. You'd a one in two chance of having died in your
childhood of diseases like diptheria, whooping caugh, or perhaps lockjaw. 
But, no, goddamit, our government spent millions of taxpayer dollars 
throughout the middle of this century on development and disbursal of 
DPT vaccines, and spent millions more on public awareness advertising
to encourage the use of such vaccines.
	And! Unless you're the son of the lucky few who can afford
private schooling for their children, this same government managed to
provide you with enough training in the use of the english language
that you're able to post here now in complete, parsed english 
sentences.

>I wonder...since none of these people will listen to what I have to say, and
>they certainly can't be said to "represent me" in any way, am I a victim of
>taxation without representation?  Certainly, they seem to feel free to spend
>the money I earn without asking and with a sneer as my only payment (since
>they consider me to be one of the "evil rich" who are making others poor).
>Why can't they just leave me alone?  Didn't their parents teach them any 
>manners?
>
	According to what you've indicated you never drive to work on
the freeway, you never need a cop, you never use a public library, 
never use public information agencies and never expect to have your
basic needs as a social animal attended to by this government that rides
herd upon you. It's always someone else using these government funded
bennies, eh?

>When your words are "Your money or your life?" we are irrevocable at odds.
>If it's a choice between "healing" and robbery vs. division and justice,
>I'll chooce the division.  You are trying to use emotion to paper over
>the difference between justice and theft.  That doesn't cut it.
>

	You pampered babe. You've never suffered a day in your
life such indignities and lacks that characterize the lives of
the children in our inner cities. I'd venture to guess too, that 
you do precious little to make society work in ways outside the 
governmental structure. Which charitable organizations do you
participate in? Rotary Club? They send kids to college on non-
governmental scholarships. Neighborhood Watch? They help our under-
staffed police maintain order, and help provide a community-police
relationship that precludes allowing the police to get caught up in
an us vs. them mentality. Big Brothers? They look out for kids 
without dads and provide a valuable addition to government spending
for AFDC? Do you do anything to put 'your money where your mouth is'?
Do you participate in your church's fund-raising activities? Its 
soup kitchen and charity drives? Does your wife do so, as proxy for
you? Do you do jack shit to contribute to the American Community Mr.
Yoder? 

>I think they are going to do exactly the opposite.  The democrats open every
>"wound" they can...they set the rich against the poor, and men against women,
>all the races against one another.  The all this, in order to avoid 
>consideringthe important division between the just and the unjust, which they
>deny at every turn.  That's one breach I refuse to "heal".

	Your eloquent prose and net access alone give lie to this view.
Social justice is not something which has ever been in short supply
in your life. If you're tired of seeing government involvement in 
every aspect of our society, get off your ass, get off the net, and
go out there and do the quiet, constant work that is needed to keep
society functioning without the Feds.

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