HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: Article by Sumiko Tan of The Straits Times
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: soc.culture.asean
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 14:00:09 GMT

In article <15OCT199213500067@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
|> 
|> I think these figures are quite consistent with most of the postings from
|> Singaporeans in response to criticisms in this newsgroup.  Perhaps this
|> can be put in perspective by asking the question "just how many countries
|> in the world have attempted to copy Singapore's example so far?".  I
|> can't think of one just at the moment.
|> 
Hmm, "just how many countries in the world attempted to copy Japan's
example in the 60's and early 70's?"  Nobody gave a hoot about them
until they were many notches above the rest.  And now the rest of the
Ind-7 are trying hard to catch-up.
 
...Kyle

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: chun@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Chun-Kuen Ho)
Subject: Re: FAQ update
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:59:29 GMT

In <1992Oct11.114254.3613@memstvx1.memst.edu> ufltai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

>Hiya,
>	This is a progress report on the FAQ thingy.  Not much to report!!  I
>now have the embassy's addresses, Singapore's PIPs, EDBs, all the USA versions
>only.  And not forgetting the NTSC/PAL video archive.
>	Hopefully I can some more stuff eh?  Otherwise, going to be a bloody
>small FAQ.
>	Ciao.

>-Tai


how about including some FAR (frequently asked recipes :-)?

chun-kuen ho
From: songbac@coos.dartmouth.edu (Durian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Mat Setia and satellite parabolic antenna and the 5% dude
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:45:27 GMT
Organization: Big Green
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0

I am back on here again.  I am not here to flame anybody.  Just kind
of bewildered after being called a dictator (or a potential one).  Though
I did not know that Rahmat has a permit, it is still pretty weird that 
the Information Minister has the satellite dish at home instead of 
having it in the office.  Plus, ministers are not included in the list
of people who can own a satellite dish (from what I have read in 
soc.culture.asean).  Anyway, I drop this issue.  (Don't want to be 
arrested under ISA, you know.)  :-)  

This place can never really cool down.  I'll try not to start one
myself though.  Anybody hand me some rojak?  :-)

Me.

from the Remote Pseudo Artic Town,
Hanover, New Hampshire.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Mat Setia and satellite parabolic antenna 
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:15:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.125332.21059@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

   My colleague had just bought a GPS(Global Positioning System) made by SONY
   for S $1600. It is so small but can be accurate to 30m. The disk is only
   about 6 in in diameter.  I can get some reading by just putting it outside
   a window.
	   How much does such a device cost in US?

About US$1000, depending on your supplier. I've seen the gadget in the pilot
catalogues that are sent to me.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: By Election - PM Goh Promise ?
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:56:15 GMT

In article <2AD468D8.26530@news.service.uci.edu>, cheu@pandora.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
> 
> 
> PM Goh promised to have a by election some time in
> September.  Now it's already October.  Has the PM said
> anything ? Are JBJ and Chiam calling foul ?  What is 
> the atmosphere in Singapore now ?
> 
> 
> Kelvin

Last I heard Chiam and JBJ ran into some conflict with regards to a united
opposition strategy

Edmund
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: RE : SINGAPORE LAWSE (sic)
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:00:11 GMT


In a previous article, hw0r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Heng Wong) says:

[gulp-gulp]

>    From what I have seen, Godfrey was airing a view, he stated a fact
>and a lot of people took offense at that. People are jumping down his
>throat for something he posted and that was uneccesary, I think a lot of
>the laws in Singapore are pointless myself. If you don't like them don't
>go back. If you support them and believe they are good, don't get your
>knickers in a twist when somebody criticizes them.
>    Human rights are good, yes. Never questioning the authorities is
>not. Have you ever read '1984'? I'm not calling anyone Big Brother, but
>if we follow without questioning, doesn't that just take away a little
>bit more of our humanity? If the Singaporean way was to always obey what
>we were told, nothing new would ever be learned. That's why most of us
>are in  school for. To learn.KInd of self-defeatist, eh?
>    Maybe I missed something and this entire post is pointless and
>stupid, but maybe it isn't. Flame wars are good, but name calling and
>bickering are another thing. Moderation, love it.


Couldn't agree with you more. You are, fortunately, one of the few who 
has a backbone to decide what is PAP propaganda and what is not. Seems to
me like most people in the net defend Singapore with the hopes
that PM Goh subsribes to this newsgroup too. :(

YA'LL have a nice day...


ATAN
From: renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Article by Sumiko Tan of The Straits Times
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:03:16 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5





	one word for it : hubris
From: ng@kutsuda.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Ng Pek Yong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: A Puzzle : ): )
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:26:22 GMT
	<1992Oct14.155557.6489@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>
Reply-To: ng@kutsuda.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp
Organization: Kyoto Univ. dept. of Info. Sci. Tsuda Lab.


 >		  
 >		  more social engineering/tinkering by
 >		  the all knowing mandarins !!!
 >
 >		  wonder if they've heard of the sorcerer's
 >		  apprentice
 >
 >		  easiest way out is to hit the $$$
 >
 >		  how about a tax which would start at 0 %
 >		  at 16 years say, and increase exponentially
 >		  to 100 % at 25 years for those who dont get
 >		  married and/or have no kids.
 >
 >		  that should work !!!
 >
 >		  you will either have the whole place floating
 >		  in pampers in a year, or long lines at changi
 >		  ( airport, not jail )
 >
 >
 >		  kpurang
 >
 >		  
 >		  ps 	does anyone know the email address of
 >			  the prime minister of singapore ?

Yes , the address is :
pmgoh@is.aft.yur.ass

#Use it with discretion as PM Goh is a busy man.





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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Satu Bangsa (Way to Forward)..
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:47:54 GMT

ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu wrote:
: In article <1992Oct14.160946.18370@news.ysu.edu>, af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
: > In a previous article, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) says:
: [munch munch]
: >>	How he is going to implement it? My doubt is and clarify me if I'm,
: >>wrong, is that means we going to have one and only race race and not Malay,
: >>Indian, Chinese races? Then what criteria will be used to distinguished 
: >>between bumi and non-bumi? The only way that I could think of is by the
: >>religion. If you are Muslim than you're a bumi else non-bumi. Am I right?
: > 
: > How to achieve this goal? My $0.02 proposals:
: > 
: > 1. Get rid of the words BUMIPUTERA and Non-BUMIPUTERA, then we talk.
: 
: 	I believe that is what is going to go on.  So, if no "bumi" and
: "nonbumi" then your (ANAND) question is not valid.  
: > 
: > 2. Cross-cultural marriages. 
: 
: 	Very good way to start the ball rolling...  I believe that the "satu
: bangsa" is more rhetorical than literal.  He did say something about
: "respecting and learning each others cultures" and M'sia is (supposed to be)
: famous for it's multicultural diversity.  If all one race, then no such thing
: as multicultural diversity anymore, is there?

remember the slogan "bahasa menunjukkan bangsa",

By the year 2020, everyone will be fluent in Malay.

You can be a malay culturally, but do not enjoy the "special privileges"
of the constitution, because you are not a muslim. In fact it is obvious to
many malays when they have so many pure chinese and indians among them. Of
course the non-malays do not know that. It is our secret.

: 	Btw, does anyone have that TOWARDS 2020 piece of paper or know where I
: can get a copy from?  I didn't really read too much of it when he started
: talking about it last year, and I am finding out that I don't really know too
: much of where my country is heading to.  Thanx.
It is just talk. So we all can still contribute. who knows someone who do the
drafting may be listening!
	REmember it is not the politicians who draft the policies. They only
give vague guidelines.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: elelko@nuscc.nus.sg (Free Man)
Subject: Re: New KL mayor..?
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:48:25 GMT


   do you know that such act of accountability is extremely RARE and
perhaps, even unheard of before .. lest you consider one memorable
character in a series of 'interesting' work of art captured on video, to
be in the same shoe too !! it's a pity that this has to happen after the
malaysian badminton team regained the thomas cup ..


=========================================================================

Looi Kwok Onn
EE Dept,                              "Jim, I have no ego to satisfy",
National University of Singapore.      Spock.
elelko@nuscc.nus.sg

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: INTERNET IN ASIA/INDIA.
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:03:14 GMT


In a previous article, vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu) says:

[gulp-gulp]

>BTW, the latest issue of SPECTRUM Magazine,  Oct. 1992,  an article on
>the Email facility, "Email-Pervasive And Pusuasive", on Page 22, tells
>about the fact that India is one of the only 9 countries in the world,
>where the entire nation is covered by Internet and Bitnet.

Woooowwwwww ... !!! Am I suppose to be amazed or what???


My $0.02 question: 

Will Internet and Bitnet feed the poor and hungry, and cure the sick
in the entire nation of India???



ATAN
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: What is Productivity?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 16:46:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.132802.27328@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.
g (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>America's productivity is still the highest but its growth has stagnated

>
>Fortune, Oct 19,1992, page 31:
>
>No one knows why America's prductivity growth stagnated. Economists used
to
>blame oil shocks of the SEVENTIes, but productivity growth did't perk up
>when petroleum prices fell. Better candidates are insufficient private a
d
>public investment combined with tens of millions of new workers- women,
>baby-boomers, and immigrants-whose need for jobs held wages down and les
ened
>the "pressure on management to increase each worker's efficiency".
>
>The author had pointed out the major reasons for the lack of productivit
.
>I put quotes on the management problem because "productivity" in determi
ed
>by management. If labour is cheap, management does not bother to increas

>productivity. This happen even to Multi-national in Singapore, managed b

>locals(a student pointed out to me).
>
>So now do you see the reasons why the productivity of Singapore is much 
>higher than Malaysia. If someone still do not, I'll try to explain furth
r,
>especially the Singapore policies that make it happen. Note that these
>policies are being copied by Malaysia but half-heartedly and not to the 
ull
>extent necessary for its success.
>
>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
>


  
 Encik Othman i still don't get it . Lower wages = Lower productivity
 you cited US worker. As far as i know  US worker thought having
 their standard of living lower and lowered. They have quite a high
 pay if you include all the health insurance, etcand etc.
   The reason  their standard of living get lowered is that 
 the Health insurance , Education cost,for their kids, get higher and
 higher. Now their productivity , why is it lower i don't know.
 and do not claim to be expert. 
 But your reasoning just don't add up.

 Muskie
From: limc@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (MAX THE EMPEROR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re : US or British education
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:59:45 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

To: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean 

  Actually I only seriously disagree with one of your points that is on class

participation.  At the Wharton school of business, if you don't talk in class

you can be sure of NOT getting an A.(it counts for 25% of grade) Of course then

again some classes do not require class participation like most Engineering

classes.(I believe thats what you're doing right?)

  Anyway, the British education is generally better than the US education

as there are so many universities in US.  But if you are looking at the best

few, US will beat the Brits anytime(mainly for engineering and business)

  As for Accounting and Law, it is better for MALAYSIANS(specifically)

to take it in Britain since American Law is inapplicable in Malaysia.



                                             A MALAYSIAN.

ps-to the othman guy:Since the grades are given on a class curve, your

friend wouldn't allow you to copy his homework or else you'd get his A.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: hykok@nyx.cs.du.edu (HY KOK)
Subject: Re: Malaysia's Atom PC=M$1600
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 16:03:32 GMT

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>From clarinet.streetprices, I saw 286 lap top with Hd for Us $600.

>I do not know the specs for Atom becasue of poor journalistic practices.

>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Why not built it yourself.  The cost is cheap and it is easy to figure out
how the connections works.  I'm sure you can get cheap hardware parts from
Taiwan, etc, but the problem is probably NO technical support.  There should
be plenty of books available on this subject.  Just jump in a bookstore and
library to read what you think will help, and yes, this info. are FREE!!!
Another problem is probably import tax, which I don't really know much in
Malaysia.  I know there are many Taiwanese Computer Company located in 
Califonia are willing to sell their hardware cheap, it just a matter of
how good a bargainer you are.

          Later,
       Hon-Yin dude.


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From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:40:00 GMT

Speaking as someone who now works again in the British education system, I
can confirm that education in the US IS far superior to that now available
in the UK (having also worked for some years in US universities).

The problem is that the UK university system was designed to accomodate only
around 10% of the population in the past.  Its high quality in days gone by
was maintained by its high degree of selectivity, and was possible despite
the low level of funding.  Now, while the funding has not been significantly
increased in real terms, the university standards have had to be dropped
considerably to accommodate increasingly large numbers of increasingly
poorly educated students leaving British schools.  The result is a real mess,
and while good lecturers and competent researchers still exist in the British
system, they are increasingly disillusioned and frustrated by poor funding,
absurd and unrealistic education policies etc.

In recent years, the British have frequently tried to get things on the cheap.
We have tried to educate people on the cheap, provide public transport on the
cheap, accommodate people in council-owned homes on the cheap, provide a
health service on the cheap etc.  In all cases these misbegotten government
schemes have failed and it is the people here, rather than the policy-makers,
who are now suffering for it.

Laurence
From: lim@merlion.CWRU.Edu (Hock Koon Lim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 12 Oct 1992 14:16:56 GMT
Organization: Information Network Services, Case Western Reserve
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lim@po.CWRU.Edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: merlion.ins.cwru.edu


In article <1992Oct10.231518.16417@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, chai@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ian Chai) writes:
$ Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi) writes:
$ >My opinion of Singapore's supposedly draconian laws is that they appear 
$ >to work quite well and probably account for the country's rapid progress 
$ >in the last 3 decades.  I think cleanliness, low crime, efficiency in 
$ >services, etc. seem to be more than an adequate return for such things as not 
$ >having the right to chew gum.  
$ 
$ You have the right to chew gum... you just don't have the right to
$ *buy* gum 8-)

   Yes, you have the right to chew gum.  You also have the right to
BUY gum too.  However, your are unable to find a place to buy gum
becase the right of selling gum has been removed by the Singapore
government :-).

$ 
$ But, yes, I agree... I'd rather not chew gum and not be mugged than
$ chew gum and be mugged 8-)


   I have no problem with the ban.  Just make sure that they don't 
ban poeple selling durian because of it smell. 

   Also, I would rather to have a "wash room" police then get mugged
in the public "wash room" some days.  I remember my trip to New York
city  last summer.  There are number of guys in one of the public washrooms 
at the World Trade Center who have no intension of using the facility
at all.  My NY friend told me that we are lucky to get out of that
washroom without getting mugged.


-- 
Hock-Koon Lim, Information Network services
Case Western Reserve University; Cleveland, Ohio, USA  44106   
(216) 368-2982        lim@ins.cwru.edu
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:53:42 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Oct8.075137.5803@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

> 	So you muslim students, look after our girls. At least be nice to them.
> This JPA ruling of not allowing students to get married is just stupid. I
> can't blame them when liberal parents are the ones who demanded the ruling.
		        ^^^^^^^
	Shouldn't it be conservative ?


> 
> HOw about US students. I also hear horrow stories about murdering babies.
> 

	What the heck you are refering here ?  You seem to be reading a
lot of 'weird' things about US overthere.  Are they selling National
Enquirer in Singapore ?

Jack Teh
> : 
> --
> Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
> Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
> Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
> Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: psgoh@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au (Goh)
Subject: Re: Satu Bangsa (Way to Forward)..
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 10:18:07 GMT

In article <Bw4B0B.2Ex@andy.bgsu.edu>, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) writes:
>
>	How he is going to implement it? My doubt is and clarify me if I'm,
>wrong, is that means we going to have one and only race race and not Malay,
>Indian, Chinese races?

It will not be easy. As long as the Chinese, Indians retain their culture
and tradition, it will be an uphill task all the way. And furthermore, for
a race to forego their unique indentity, it would mean some form of 
indoctrination in schools or to be crude 'brainwashing' of the future
generations now..??

>Then what criteria will be used to distinguished 
>between bumi and non-bumi? The only way that I could think of is by the
>religion. If you are Muslim than you're a bumi else non-bumi. Am I right?

And as long as this tag is retained, the more adamant the Chinese, Indians
are to resist any change. Religion plays a vital role in our assimiliation
as 'one race'. For a start, we need to be united socially, and how can
that be achieved if we are segregated by the food we consume and the fear
of offending the other BECAUSE of food? And this is only one aspect. 

Goh.

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