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From: romosan@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Alex or Sandi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Elections
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:29:57 GMT
Organization: The Factory of Dreams

In article <1992Sep27.204159.13549@morrow.stanford.edu> mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici) writes:
>Some stuff on the oncoming elections from clari:
>
>
>	BUCHAREST, Romania (UPI) -- 
>	Ultra-nationalism is also gaining ground. A presidential candidate
>for the Party of National Unity for Romania, Gheorghe Funar, may score
>highly with lesser educated classes with his program of national
>dignity, law and order and an emphasis on traditional heroes.
>	Opinion polls show he will win less than 20 percent of the vote and
>be eliminated in the first round.
>
>

i don't know how most of you feel, but to me even the 10% Funar seems
to have got in the presidential election seems to be a very dangerous
development. i don't think romanian society needs more intolerance
than there is now. on the contrary. and let's not forget that Funar
was elected the mayor of Cluj. i would be really worried if i were
living in romania. xenophobia, excessive nationalism and especially
the 'emphasis on traditional heroes' won't bring prosperity. how about
a little bit of respect for the opinions of others, even if they might
disagree with yours. why national dignity? why not human dignity? to
me the idea of nation seems to be too constraining. we are all
different. not only of different nationalities, but we all have
different dreams, aspirations, backgrounds. i would hate to live in a
country that tells me what to do, although bush is trying hard to do
just that. let's not forget that a dictatorship of the majority is not
any different that any other form of dictatorship. a true democratic
society is a society that protects the rights of minorities, not one
that imposes the will of the majority. and then, how would you define
romanian?

--alex--

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From: sispas@lsil.com (Steve Ispas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: For Karel Stokkermans
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:05:50 GMT
Reply-To: sispas@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

Karel,

I got it today. Thanks a lot. Great stuff, a lot of information.
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From: acarstea@icaen.uiowa.edu (Alin-Andrei Carsteanu)
Subject: Re: Education
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:28:17 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <1992Oct5.193523.5783@morrow.stanford.edu> mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici) writes:
>|> >The American spirit.
>|> >
>|> Paul has already said it, I don't know why Romanian schools should teach
>|> the American spirit and not the Romanian spirit. 
>|> But there is a different tragedy here. They weren't teaching the Romanian 
>|> spirit either. Intolerance is NOT the Romanian spirit, it is the damned 
>|> result of the self-righteous ideology which proclaimed itself "one and only"!
>
>Bah,
>I didn't mean American spirit in the sense of a national spirit.
>I meant all the qualities that are bestowed collectivelly on a people.
>Romanian, American, whatever.
>
>Cheers
>Mihai

It's all right. I didn't mean nationalistic spirit, either.
	Alin
From: re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Radu Eugen Edelstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Elections
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:17:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8em1wc200ioWIIvFVd
	<BvBG5y.5JL@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Alex writes:
>i don't know how most of you feel, but to me even the 10% Funar seems
>to have got in the presidential election seems to be a very dangerous
>development. i don't think romanian society needs more intolerance
>than there is now. on the contrary. and let's not forget that Funar
>was elected the mayor of Cluj. i would be really worried if i were
>living in romania. xenophobia, excessive nationalism and especially
>the 'emphasis on traditional heroes' won't bring prosperity. how about
>a little bit of respect for the opinions of others, even if they might
>disagree with yours. why national dignity? why not human dignity? to
>me the idea of nation seems to be too constraining. we are all
>different. not only of different nationalities, but we all have
>different dreams, aspirations, backgrounds. i would hate to live in a
>country that tells me what to do, although bush is trying hard to do
>just that. let's not forget that a dictatorship of the majority is not
>any different that any other form of dictatorship. a true democratic
>society is a society that protects the rights of minorities, not one
>that imposes the will of the majority. and then, how would you define
>romanian?

First of all, results are not in yet.  Funar might have gotten even
more votes than what exit polls show.  Second, his role on the Romanian
political scene is not over yet, even if he has only 5% of the vote.  Third,
in a series of stupid moves that I could not believe, the Hungarian
government helped Funar's campaign - recent statements and the
timing of a congress of Hungarians living abroad and of a 
"Congress of Transylvanian Hungarians" (?!?) gave to many Romanians
a reason to believe Funar's anty-hungarian propaganda.

Rad
From: marian@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: poet Ion Barbu
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:15:06 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

Hi to everybody,

I must to apologize for few inaccuracies I have introduced into my article
about the poet Ion Barbu:
  - the poet died in 1961 (and not in 1962)
  - a better translation of "Joc second" is "A secondary game" (and not
    "Second game")
  - actually, "A secondary game" is the title of a volume of poems, of which
    the first has this title.
I am very sorry for the non-Romanian readers, but I am not able to translate
into English (or French) this short, but splendid and compact - as a theorem
of Geometry - poem:

    Din ceas, dedus adincul acestei calme creste,
    Intrata prin oglinda in mintuit azur,
    Taind pe inecarea cirezilor agreste,
    In grupurile apei, un joc secund, mai pur.

    Nadir latent! Poetul ridica insumarea
    De harfe resfirate ce-in sbor invers le pierzi
    Si cintec istoveste: ascuns, cum numai marea,
    Meduzele cind plimba sub clopotele verzi.

In his "History of Romanian literature since origins up to the present",
George Calinescu, our great literary critic, considers Ion Barbu as a great
poet, due to "his songs and profoundnesses" and put him beside Eminescu,
Macedonski, Bacovia, Arghezi and Blaga.

Cheers,
Marian Dodu
From: acarstea@icaen.uiowa.edu (Alin-Andrei Carsteanu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Elections
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:46:09 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <gen6OvO00WBO02VX5p@andrew.cmu.edu> Paul Grigore Hodor <ph20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>movements is always the same. I personally know two university
>professors from Cluj-Napoca, highly regarded professionals, who are
>members and passionate supporters of "Vatra". I think there are enough
>similarities between the very beginnings of nazism and legionarism,
>compared to what is happening with PUNR, to make us aware of the danger.
>
I guess, here you are (very much!) right. As such, and taking into account
that we're dealing with (some) educated people (and you're right again,
I also know some myself) do you think there's any chance they find out
that they're in the wrong boat!?

	Alin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: acarstea@icaen.uiowa.edu (Alin-Andrei Carsteanu)
Subject: Re: poet Ion Barbu 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:01:33 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <1992Oct4.184512.9056@osf.org> andrei@gregoire.osf.fr (Andrei Danes) writes:
>     Just an opinon ...
>
>     I cannot figure out what the accurate english translation should 
>be, but "secondary" doesn't sound satisactory to me. It seems to suggest
>a lower quality, or lesser importance, like "minor". On the contrary, my
>interpretation of Barbu's poem is that "joc secund" reflects a somehow
>deeper and profunde quality ("un joc secund, mai pur").
>     Also, "game" might be misleading, because "joc" could possibly be 
>translated by "act", "play" or "reflexion" ("Taind .../ In grupurile
>apei, un joc ...").
>     
>     I would like to have the opinions of everyone interested
>
>Andrei

How about "Parallel Ongoing"?
(Of course, my opinion shouldn't count too much, please take into
account that I'm an engineer and a romanian saying is "The resemblance
between an engineer and a dog is that they both have an intelligent 
regard, but they cannot express anything".)

	Alin
From: tr2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas Richardson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Education
Date: 3 Oct 92 13:53:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0enVNJS00WBO42Ns4S
	<1992Oct2.195555.14114@morrow.stanford.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In article 	<1992Oct2.195555.14114@morrow.stanford.edu>, Mihai Popovici writes:

>What a Romanian education does not teach you is the importance of
>independent thinking and the value of the different opinion.
>The flexibility to deal with opposing ideas and to tolerate and 
>respect them.  
>The fact that it's more important what kind of
>person you are than what you have read.
>To stand tall and proud when everybody says you are wrong but you 
>feel you are right.
>The American spirit.

That's fine. What the American system doesn't always seem to teach is
that while it is fine to stand proud when everyone says that you are
wrong and you FEEL you are right, this does not actually make you right,
rational argument is still necessary.

It is also my impression that it soemtimes fails to give people a sense
of morality or responsibility existing over and above what one is
obliged to do by law. To my mind the fundamental contradiction of
American society is the idea that individuals have rights without having
responsibilities.. 

>People tend to get specialized and the Renaissance, complete
>model is harder to find. 
>However my point is that education
>should do more to a person and a nation than instruct them.

I agree, but it should still instruct them, even though this is not all
it should do.

Oh well that's my $0.02!

Yours,
Thomas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: rfe/rl daily report 22 se
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:00:05 EST

    I don't know if you're the right person to turn to, but as you're
uploading this report, I'll take my chance.

    I'm trying to write a political thriller set in Eastern Europe. I've
done quite a lot of research, but an important part of it became
outdated following the fall of the communist regimes.

    I'd appreciate if you could post a message for me with the new names
(in the native language of the country) of the new _ intelligence
agencies _  of Rumania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Poland, Yugoslavia (any), the
Czeh & the Slovak Republics.

    Please, if you have the information, or even if just a minuscule
part of it, you'd make a struggling writer REALLY happy if you took your
time & energy to post it.

Thank you in advance, & sorry for the request

Robert
--
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: sispas@lsil.com (Steve Ispas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: clasament dupa 8 etape
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:30:55 GMT
Reply-To: sispas@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

Clasament dupa 8 etape:

1. Steaua Bucuresti         8   6  1  1   22-5   13p
2. Dinamo Bucuresti         8   5  2  1   19-6   12p
3. Rapid Bucuresti          8   4  3  1   11-6   11p
4. Gloria Bistrita          8   4  3  1   10-6   11p
5. Univ. Craiova            8   4  2  2   15-7   10p
6. Sportul Stud.            8   3  3  2   13-10   9p
7. Otelul Galati            8   3  3  2    6-10   9p
8. Univ. Cluj               8   4  0  4    8-8    8p
9. Inter Sibiu              8   3  2  3   13-15   8p
10.Poli Timisoara           8   2  4  2    8-11   8p
11.FC Ploiesti              8   3  1  4   12-11   7p
12.Farul Constanta          8   2  3  3   13-14   7p
13.FCM Brasov               8   3  1  4    8-9    7p
14.Elec. Craiova            8   3  1  4    5-6    7p
15.Dacia Unirea Braila      8   1  4  3    7-8    6p
16.Progresul Bucuresti      8   2  2  4    9-12   6p
17.CSM Resita               8   1  2  5    6-23   4p
18.FC Bacau                 8   0  1  7    2-20   1p


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: tjebelea@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Tudor Jebelean)
Subject: pentru Luta Gheorghe (South Carolina)
Organization: RISC, J.K. University of Linz, Austria
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:51:35 GMT

Ce mai faci?

Tudor (tjebelea.risc.uni-linz.ac.at)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: riorgule@swen3 (Radu Iorgulescu)
Subject: Re: Anda Calugareanu death
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:20:55 GMT


 About Anda Calugareanu's death: I was in Romania when it hapened. She
had had a concert or something like that in Israel, 2 month before her
death. She came back and felt very tired - she didn't know that she
had lung cancer. So, in a short period of time she died; it was
shocking for us, specially for children because she had a show for
children every Saturday morning. 
 She had been buried at Belu, where at least 5000 people were present.
 That's all I know.

 Radu Iorgulescu
 University of Waterloo
 Electrical and Computer Engineering Dept.
 Canada

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 1992 21:37:52 -0400 
From: Thomas Richardson <tr2g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Elections
	<1992Oct1.164601.10156@kth.se>

In article <1992Oct1.164601.10156@kth.se> Mihai Dorobantu writes:

>From: mihai@nada.kth.se (Mihai Dorobantu)
>Subject: Re: Elections
>Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:46:01 GMT
> 
>In article <1992Oct1.162141.597@vms.huji.ac.il>, marian@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>|> 
>|> The problem of legionarism was quite complicate. Many of legionars
were peop
>le
>|> without culture and education, who have fallen "victims" of an intolerant
>|> and demagogic ideology. These people were themselves thirsty of blood. But
>|> I have to emphasize that also many intelectuals, some of them
brilliant, >have
>|> fallen by their naivity to the same ideology. For instance, the
great geomet
>er
>|> Dan Barbillian, who was also a genial poet, under the name Ion
Barbu; or the
>|> strong mathematician (theory of probabilities and mathematic
statistics) Oct
>av
>|> Onicescu, who was later a member of Romanian Academy, during
ceausescu. >These
>|> are examples from my domain of activity. May be there are many other
example
>s.
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Marian Dodu
> 
>There are many examples of great people that had (have) "strange" political
>options and in no few instances back up the most cruel regimes. But that
>is not the reason for which we admire them. 
> 
>I think that legionarism has its place among its fellow movements. 
>The fact that some great people were asociated with it doesn't make it 
>more humane.  
> 
>In general, it is dificult to judge a political movement by the "quality" of 
>its followers. In most cases these movements have both great followers
and enem
>ies.
>What one can use as a scale are the values produced and promoted by that 
>movement. In this respect legionarism, fascism, nazism, stalinism and all the 
>other -isms have failed.
 

Is is it not an essential feature of any 'ism' that it should fail? (And
probably to the detriment of most of the people, most of the time.)


Regards,

Thomas Richardson
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: acarstea@icaen.uiowa.edu (Alin-Andrei Carsteanu)
Subject: Re: Post election speculations
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:46:14 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <1aa0acINN1cr@agate.berkeley.edu> 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>Lucian Blaga once said that people are of two kinds: some of us try to re-
>veal the mistery; the rest palpitate in the horizon of reproduction...
>Maybe Iliescu should rename FDSN the Palpitating Reproductors Party..
>All right, I'm getting weird, I know..
>
>Cheers!

I guess, the most chilling disaster that the "communist era" has
left us with (and I intentionally say "us", including myself, be-
cause I really (!) don't want to insult anyone with this), is the
terrible lack of education, resulting from closing the door to
human values and to authentic culture.
You're not getting weird, Radu, and neither was Blaga.
Not the Party is the problem, but the Reproductors. And there is
not even a conceivable immediate solution. (As long as there are
enough palpitating reproductors, they'll have their party...)


As for what the alliances in the Parliament will be, I guess they
will depend on each and every seat... We'll see. Personally, on
the othe hand, I don't think Roman will "redefine himself". So with
the UDMR and him (FSN), the CD will have some 38% . I guess, you
can also count the Ecologists (MER) and Liberals (PNL) for another
4-5%. Yes, still not enough, but let's hope for the best!!

	Alin
jhsegal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Post election speculations
From: jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Livy)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:32:10 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computation Center

 Do you know what romanians say about it?

R E G E L E   A    M U R I T , T R A I A S C A   R E G E L E !!

(I think I use it in the right place..;)   )
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From: acarstea@icaen.uiowa.edu (Alin-Andrei Carsteanu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Moldova/Romania News from RFE/RL, 9/24/92
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:31:42 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <kelSeWO00iUxI24H9f@andrew.cmu.edu> ph20+@andrew.cmu.edu (Paul Grigore Hodor) writes:

[...]
>
>Let's not forget that the country is actually run not by the parliament,
>but by the government. And that the prime minister is appointed by the
>president.
>
>Paul Hodor
>Carnegie Mellon U, Dept Bio Sci
>Pittsburgh, PA, USA

True. But prime ministers have to be appointed again and again, until
they get a majority vote in Parliament - that's if the president is really
stubborn...

	Alin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Re: Romanian soccer teams results
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:44:07 GMT

160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>
>I do not know what Electroputere Craiova did against Panathinaikos
>in Athens, but barred extraterrestrial intervention they did not make
>it either, since they had lost 6-0 in Craiova in the first leg...

Panathinaikos 4 Electroputere 0

>On Oct.14 the national squad takes on the Red Devils in their own
>Bruxellesque lair. Good luck to Hagi and comp. Coach Dinu aims at
>fielding the following team:
>
>			STELEA
>			(Logrones)
>
>PETRESCU	BELODEDICI 	G.POPESCU 	D. MUNTEANU
>(Foggia)	(Valencia)	(PSV Eindhoven)	(Dinamo)
>
>
>TIMOFTE II	HAGI		LUPESCU 	SABAU
>(FC Porto)	(Brescia)	(B.Leverkusen)	(Brescia)
>
>	
>	LACATUS			BALINT
>	(Oviedo)		(Logrones)
>
>A highly defensive mood I'd say. My guess is we'll play with six defenders
>and rely on Hagi's long shots and his passes to Lacatus and Balint for an
>offense......
>

Good luck! (I love to see Belgium lose :)

>Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
>Department of Economics

Cheers,
Karel
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From: msoques@mozart.amd.com (Martin Soques)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: source of name
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:48:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: dvorak.1992Oct5.224809.26777
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

Greetings!  I was wondering if the name "Kimbol" (my fiancee's) is of Romanian
origin.  Email responses would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

Marty
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