HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: local reply problem
From: jenkins@local.host
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:46:16 -0600
Reply-To: jenkins@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.

We've had a problem with replying to messages on the local site.  Replying
*outside* the local site is no problem, but when we reply to someone else
on our site, we get a returned message much like this--

From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep  1 10:20:00 1992
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 10:19:57 -0500
From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
To: jenkins

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
550 mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu.moorhead.msus.edu.tcp... 550 Host unknown
550 kotta@MHD1.Moorhead.MSUS.EDU.moorhead.msus.edu... Host unknown

X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL2]

As you see, ELM is adding 'moorhead.msus.edu' again to the address for some
reason, and we don't know why.  I'd appreciate it if someone could help us
out.

Please reply to the E-mail address *below* as this is being posted from a
different site.


Lisa                         Jenkins@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
1603 Thirteenth Street South
Moorhead, Minnesota 56560-3734

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
This has been a test of the emergency broadcast system.
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Mutant weirdness
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:43:58 GMT
Organization: HMC Academic Computing Services
Originator: irilyth@fenris

I've encounted versions of elm numbered under what is apparently an entirely
different scheme than the friendly 2.3, 2.4, etc I'd seen elsewhere. When I
launch elm on one, at the top of the screen it prints:

      Mailbox is '/usr/mail/josh' with 0 messages [Elm revision: 70.30]

Both were on Snakes (H-PUX machines of some flavor), and I wondered if this
was a Snake thing, a ludicrously old version of elm, or what.

...and then I checked the man pages on one of the snakes, and found the
following:

 AUTHOR
      elm was developed by Hewlett-Packard Company.

Is this true, or serious bogosity? I didn't notice anything about HP in the
FAQ file, but I might have missed it. Apologies if this is an old and stupid
question, but I'd been wondering for a while, and finally got around to
posting about it. Thanks in advance for any info...
-- 
original text by Josh Smith    ::   Comments, questions, etc. welcomed
irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu   ::   #include <std.disclaimer>
"If you ever fall off the Sears Tower, just go real limp, because maybe you'll
look like a dummy and people will try to catch you because, hey, free dummy."
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Creating A Form (???)
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:55:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: DSI.1992Aug27.025550.3792
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

fish@daacdev1.stx.com writes:
>i discovered this too a few weeks ago - i hope it might get straightened
>out in elm 2.4 - but what happens is that if you user-level is set to
>beginner you don't get the 'm' option!  so up your user level to intermediate
>in elmrc
It won't get straightened out in 2.4, as its a feature.  Making forms is
restricted to non beginning users.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.3PL11
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (David W. Tamkin)
Subject: Re: Does elm handle default header entries??
Keywords: header reply-to
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:18:04 GMT
X-Disclaimer:  Material posted in this article is the sole responsibility of
                the poster and does not represent MCSNet or the system owners.

gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com (Gordon Berkley) wrote in
<1992Sep1.051731.19432@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>:

| Unfortunately (to my mind, at least,) you will not see nor be able to edit
| this header info.  It is ALWAYS included...

Of course you can edit it.  If you shell out of Elm to rm or empty out
$HOME/.elm/elmheaders, no header info from it will be added.

Perhaps you don't consider it a pretty procedure to shell out of Elm to edit
it before composing a letter and, if you want, shell out again a few seconds
after sending that letter to edit it again.  Elm lacks a command to call
$HOME/.elm/elmheaders up for editing without the user's having to type an
exclamation point and the names of an editor and the file, but the user is
far from unable.

You can even save a fork, if you are not using the built-in text acceptor
as your editor, by switching from the current temporary email file to
$HOME/.elm/elmheaders while you're already in your editor to compose the
letter that needs different added headers.

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: karres@enigma.rtp.dg.com (Dean Karres)
Subject: Outgoing/sent filters - do they exist? (was Re: Filter only?)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 17:14:23 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

I would like to keep an automatic log of all of my incoming and outgoing
mail. What I would really like is to be able to do is:

1) save the FROM, TO, DATE and SUBJECT info of all incoming and
   outward bound mail to a file.

2) save a copy of all incoming and outgoing mail into a single archive
   folder.

3) still have incoming messages come to my inbox as though there were
   not any filters.

I have something like this already but, as was pointed out in the
Filter thread, there seems to be a locking problem with filters and
forwarding through shell scripts. Plus, I have not found a way to run
outgoing mail through a filter. Any pointers would be appreciated.

thanks,
Dean...K...
          //                     || X Windows Development   \\ 
         //     Dean  Karres     || Data General Corporation \\
         \\ karres@dg-rtp.dg.com || 62 T.W. Alexander Dr.    //
          \\                     || RTP, NC 27709           //
From: david@MARIE.STAT.UGA.EDU (David Gundlach)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: problems with filter:  too many rules??
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:04:31 GMT

Hi all--

I am using filter for all of my mail, and I've gotten pretty complex.
The other day I added a new group of rules, which bumped my total up
to 26.  At that point, I found that a filter summary gave really
strange values for my last rule-- executed hundreds of millions of
times for negative billions of percent!

I removed one rule, to put me back down to 25, and the problem
disappeared.

I have looked through Configure and the filter sources, but I was
never asked about 'number of rules' as I was about aliases, and I
didn't see anything obvious in the filter code.

Any help would be appreciated, since I would not only like to add that
rule back in but can see a time when I would add yet more rules.  This
letter was sent to news (I hope!) via email, so please reply in kind.

Thanks for you help :-)

ObQuestion:  So when is 2.4 coming out? ;-)


:-D
--
David Gundlach				david@marie.stat.uga.edu
System Support and Integration		david@rolf.stat.uga.edu
UGA Statistics				david@castor.cs.uga.edu
University of Georgia			david@groucho.dev.uga.edu
706/542-3289 or 706/542-5232		BITNET: statuga@uga

"I think, therefore I am wrong." -- 	me
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Why don't my arrow keys work
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 12:48:11 GMT

syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes:

>dougs@david.wheaton.edu (Doug Smith - SGA) writes:
>>I can't get the up and down arrow keys of my Wyse 50 terminal to work in
>>the message list.  It works fine under the vt100 emulator I'm using on my
>>Mac.  Any idea why?

>Because Elm only supports the arrow keys for the vt100 and HP type terminals
>(its not really a curses application)

It works on anything which uses vt100 or hp output codes for the arrow
keys (eg, suns).  This covers the great bulk of terminals sold these
days.
-- 
 "When Dexter's on the Internet, can Hell be far behind?"
		-- Steve Simmons, scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us
From: charlesa@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Charles Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: elm in vi-mode?
Keywords: vi, sun-cmd, faq?
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:44:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncar.1992Sep3.154445.11145
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO

Is there a way for elm to put the calling terminal in vi-mode during its
execution?  I call elm from a sun-cmd window and would rather not have to
manually toggle scrolling on and off.  The window automatically turns 
scrolling off for vi and some other programs, but I'm not sure how.

Many thanks in advance.


Charles

ps - my apologies if this is an FAQ.  Is there an FAQL for this newsgroup?

--
Charles Albrecht                "Nonsense, they only say you can't survive
charlesa@ncar.ucar.edu           The Fire Swamp because no one ever has."
303/497-8524                        - Westley, The Dread Pirate Roberts

NCAR - Scientific Computing Division * P.O. Box 3000 * Boulder, Colorado  80307

The opinions you are about to have read are fictitious...
          ...any similarity to opinions living or dead is purely coincidental.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: earl@rtsg.mot.com (Brent R. Earl)
Subject: from: line problems
Keywords: elm2.3pl11 from: line
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:13:35 GMT

I have been experiencing problems with my From: line.
The line is formed from my nodename.rest_of_address, when
it should be motcid.rtsg.mot.com.  Is there any way to force
elm to build my From:?  (This is elm2.3pl11 on a sun network).
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: norstan@oar.net (Steve Frazier)
Subject: Use Of encryption
Keywords: crypt
Organization: OARnet, Columbus, OH.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:38:46 GMT


Is the proper way of using encrypiton with elm as follows



body of the email:


[encode]

verbage that you want encoded


[clear]


When I do this, elm asks me for the code when I get ready to send and
when I receive it, however, it doesn't decode.  I sent it from the same
user to the same user.

Thaks in advance.

Steve
From: james@dlss2 (James Cummings)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: .forward and **.vacation**???? - documentation?
Date: 25 Aug 92 04:25:41 GMT
Organization: RedRock Development

In article <1992Aug23.223833.8821@ramon.bgu.ac.il> chermesh@chen.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh) writes:
 |I'm a novice on this list and wonder where can I find documentation to the
 |forward and vacation options.
 |--
 |Ran Chermesh                                  E - M A I L
 |Behavioral Sciences Dept.                     ===========
 |Ben-Gurion University                  Internet: CHERMESH@BGUVM.BGU.AC.IL
 |Beer-Sheva 84105                                 CHERMESH@CHEN.BGU.AC.IL

	".vacation"????? ah, what release of ELM are you using?? never 
heard of it.....Sid, Sid.....what's the deal? is there an "overseas" version
of Elm that we don't get in the States?
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: marekp@generic.uucp (Marek Pawlowski)
Subject: Re: SCO Unix v3.2.2 and Elm v2.3 woes
Organization: Terra*Net Public Access Unix BBS.  (416) 731-{3468,9867}, 237-0308
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 00:09:18 GMT

syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes:

>marekp@generic.uucp (Marek Pawlowski) writes:
>> [..My various woes removed..]
>>submit: [ Permission denied ] Unable to change directory.
>>submit: message submission aborted
>
>This is the well known problem where SCO distributed the directories
>with the wrong permissions.  Run the MMDF script checkup and follow its
>instructions to change some of the directory permissions.  Then Elm will
>work much better.

   Wonderful!  It turns out that "checkup" was cleverly hidden from my
sight by evil little green creatures with fat bellies.  The man page for
it wasn't online, but after shuffling through a couple of thousand pages
of SCO documentation, I actually found mention of it.

   I greatly appreciate your help!  As well as from Marc in Ann Arbor, MI.,
who's email address was zotted out of existance in my tampering with the
Elm system.

>Secondly, Elm need not be Setuid root.  SCO UNIX, being a SysV UNIX,
>Elm should be setgid mail, with /usr/mail being group mail and permissions
>775.  Thats all Elm needs, there is no reason for it to be setuid root.

   It was a wild hunch which I tried out, but was useless anyway.. :)

>>   PS:  We have MMDF installed (do we really have a choice?  :)
>Yes, you could drop MMDF and switch to sendmail (real one, like 
>
>IDA Sendmail) or smail 3.1.  Or you could stay with MMDF.... Properly
>configured it does work.

   I suppose for the time being, MMDF will still remain active on this
system.  But I do see sendmail in the horizon.. :)

>-- 
>========================================================================
>Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.3PL11
>Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
>syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235

   Thanks a million!  I guess it was a minor case of RTFM (all 10^69
pages worth :), though somewhat justified.  Thanks again!

-- 

Marek Pawlowski  -  marekp@terranet.cts.com marekp@generic.uucp
A genuine inquisitive computer enthusiast.  Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
OBJobOfferRequest: Sign me up on a programming contract!
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: [encode] Decryption does not work in ELM 2.3 PL11! Why ? [clear]
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:12:21 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrie Aldrich) writes:
>Likewise, the save and reply funcions don't work very well when you need
>to deal with an Elm encrypted message (I'm sure this must have come up
>before).  

>Will these problems be addressed/fixed in the 2.4 release?
No, it will not be addressed until 3.0.  Quoting the monthly posting:

EB02 Encryption	is not fully implemented in ELM.  In elm(1) we
     have the following	problems:

     When `b' (bouncing) a message or `f' (forwarding) a message
     without editing, an encrypted section of text in the origi-
     nal message wrongly gets encrypted	a second time.	The func-
     tion that looks for encryption delimiters needs to	know to
     ignore them in these situations.

     When `p' (printing) or `|'	(piping) a message, an encrypted
     message does not get decrypted.  This is because elm(1) in-
     vokes readmsg(1) to pull the message out of the folder and
     readmsg(1)	does not deal with encryption at all.  Even if we
     gave readmsg(1) the ability to decrypt messages, we'd still
     have problems because readmsg itself would	have to	prompt
     for the decryption	key.  Now if we	were printing or piping	a
     set of tagged messages, readmsg(1)	would have to prompt for
     decryption	keys for each message individually.  In	doing
     that readmsg(1) would have	to indicate which message of the
     set it was	working	on.  This would	be difficult since
     readmsg(1)	uses actual ordinal message position in	the fold-
     er, and that would	be confusing if	the user has folders
     sorted in other than mailbox order: the message numbers
     wouldn't match up.	 The solution therefore	involves replac-
     ing readmsg(1) with a new function	in elm(1) to handle the
     `p' or `|'	commands, and this function would need to detect
     the encryption delimiters and prompt for the decryption key.
     Furthermore, readmsg(1) should get	enhanced to deal with en-
     crypted text, or else carry a disclaimer that it doesn't
     work on encrypted text.

     When including the	text of	an original message for	a `r'
     (reply) or	`f' (forward), encrypted sections do not get de-
     crypted first, resulting in decrypted text	inside the in-
     clude text.  This means that the elm(1) function that in-
     cludes text of an original	message	must detect encryption
     delimiters	and decrypt encrypted text before including it in
     a reply or	forwarded message.

-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.3PL11
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com (Gordon Berkley)
Subject: Re: Does elm handle default header entries??
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:17:31 GMT
Keywords: header reply-to

In article <1992Aug31.164126.23582@sis.uucp>, richard@sis.uucp (Richard Baird) writes:
|> I have just ftp'd and built elm and I am wondering.... Is there a way to
|> have elm include a default header in a message.
|> p.s. Sorry if this is a FAQ

Not an FAQ, but it IS in the manual :-)
Put your "standard headers lines" into a file named "elmheaders" in your .elm
directory (i.e., ${HOME}/.elm/elmheaders ).  The contents of this file
will automatically (and transparently) be included in the header of
your outgoing mail.

Unfortunately (to my mind, at least,) you will not see nor be able to edit
this header info.  It is ALWAYS included...
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
Subject: how do you list system aliases???
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:18:15 GMT

how do you list system aliases from within the alias submenu?
choosing l) list user alias but no (apparent) option for listing
the system ones

		fish
--
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From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Highlight line moves when I undelete a message
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:37:01 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

spiegl@cs.utexas.edu (Andreas Spiegl) writes:
>and why did in the current version (2.3 ..) of elm the option in
>elmrc disappear, which allows to NOT skip over deleted messages?
>I thought this to be avery useful option and miss it very much.
It went away long ago, when the J and K commands came in, then
there was a way of going from message to message, J and K and
from active message to active message, j and k.

>Is this going to be in 2.4 again? Or is there a way to get it in 2.3?
No change in 2.4 on this from 2.3.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.3PL11
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Filter only?
Date: 30 Aug 92 09:38:18 GMT
Organization: me myself and i

browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov (David S. Browning) writes:
:
|I'm looking for some way to divert incoming mail to different folders
|before reading it, from noisy mailing lists, for example.  I stumbled
|across elm's "filter" program, but I don't want to use the rest of
|elm.  I currently use VM from within emacs and I'd rather not change.
|(At least not today!)

This sounds like a job for procmail. You can pick this up from any ftp
site which archives comp.sources.misc. The most recent version is in
volume31 (I think). Ask archie.

Tx.
--
check my header - "when the time runs out... when the money runs out..."
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dan@dribble.c-mols.siu.edu (Dan Ellison)
Subject: Re: How do I change default print command?
Organization: Southern Illinois University - Carbondale, IL (SIU-C)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:20:58 GMT

In <1=dn29h.westes@netcom.com> westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:


>How can I change the default command that elm executes when
>printing a file? Does elm send the mail item as standard input to
>the command?

The print feature is controlled under the o)ptions menu.  Press o
to get the options displayed, then press p for print command.  Put
whatever you want into the print command line and then press > to
save the new setup, the r to return to the main menu.

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From: edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Forms standards
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:58:58 GMT
Organization: IntraNet, Inc.

I am interested in sending forms via mail, and am happy to see that elm
supports this.
Can anyone tell where I could get the AT&T document that defines the 
underlying syntax of forms?

Has this been adopted by any other mail carriers or mail software? This is the
first time I have heard about it, so I wonder if it is catching on at all.
The only other standard I have come upon is EDI (ugh).

-- 
Jonathan Edwards				edwards@intranet.com
IntraNet, Inc					617-527-7020