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From: rovero@attu.oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: Novell in Dos box problems
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:22:57 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School,Monterey CA

For the time being, I am stuck running Novell in a DOS window or 
screen.  I can log in and run most applications without problems
BUT  (you knew that was coming....)

The COPY command cannot be used to copy TO a network drive (fails with
"could not create file or directory").  But list75 (DOS version) will
happily copy files to network drives.

WordPerfect will not talk to network printers.  The nprint command
works fine, though.

Any hints?
 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
From: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Re: NFS Security (or lack thereof)
Reply-To: uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:08:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.025437.495@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> gkm@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (gary.k.mc nees) writes:
>In article <921012133407@minimillian.ftp.com> backman@vaxeline.ftp.com (Larry Backman) writes:
>>
>>This paradigm clearly falls apart with PC's which don't have either a
>>concept of login, or a UID/GID.  There is a loose sort of authentication
>>provided by PCNFSD, a server which runs in parallel with the NFSD server
>>and provides a cheap mapping of a PC user's username password to a UID/GID
>>which the PC user can then use in future NFS RPC's.  Most PC NFS vendors
>>support PCNFSD security; IBM does not at this point in time.
>>
>Doesn't the same security hole really exist in the UNIX world?
>The only difference is that the UNIX machines are supposed
>to be operated by a trusted person? Can't The person at a UNIX
>box do the same thing he has super-user id? 
>

I'm not sure if that was a retorical question or not, but the answer is YES,
a Unix super user can also play games like that. The only real difference
is that it is a little harder to become super user than to just get physical
access to the machine. But a couple thousand dollar investment could
put together a Unix node on a 386SX machine. So anyone with a couple thousand
dollars and the ability to tap into the network can breach security.

A question, though: what happens if two nodes on the network both claim
to have the same network address, etc.? Won't the software either get
confused and stop working, or else get suspicious and stop working?

This would suggest that exported file systems be divided into two categories --
those which are known to be mounted by secure systems that are up all the time
[traditional Unix hosts] and those that may be mounted by un-secure systems
and systems that may be frequently turned off [thus allowing an imposter].

orville

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: Re: PMX Server questions
From: nholford@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Nick Holford)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:26:14 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

db3l@ans.net (David Bolen) writes:

>Well, if you are running the telnet server, you can telnet to your OS/2
>machine, and you can initiate the telnet from within some xterm running
>somewhere if you like.  I'm not sure if that answers your question, but
>it's an ambiguous question.

I would be grateful if anyone can clarify the ambigous answer to the
ambiguous question by answering the following:

If I telnet from an HP-UX machine which is running X windows (HP-VUE) to
an OS/2 machine which is running X windows (PMX) what applications that
are running on the OS/2 machine can I expect to control in a useable way
from the HP system? OS/2 full screen? WPS? Windows? VDM? None?
-- 

Nick Holford, Dept Pharmacology & Clinical Pharmacology
University of Auckland, Auckland, New Zealand
INTERNET: n.holford@aukuni.ac.nz
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 09:28:23 MDT
From: ecktons@sirius.byu.edu (Sean Eckton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: Re: Beholder II enlightment
Reply-To: ecktons@sirius.byu.edu (Sean Eckton)

In article <richard.719224994@dutepp6> Richard.Kooijman@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl  
(Richard Kooijman) writes:
> 
> 
> We have been working too long and too hard on the Beholder II.
> We completely forgot to tell you what it is all about.    ;-)
> 
> Well, the Beholder II is a network monitor compliant with the RMON
> 'standard'.
> 
> For now, it only has 3 additional groups, but in the near future it
> will include support for network and host profiling (beyond number of
> packets and octets) and support for auto-discovery of network
> configuration.
> 
> Currently, only Ethernet is supported but TokenRing will be added
> soon (FDDI will take longer).
> 
> For those who are interested in the availability of the Beholder,
> the executables are completely free and most likely the complete
> sources will be free too.
> 
> Alas, no rewards for those who guessed it right.

I'm VERY interested.  Where can we get it?  Does it support IBM TCP/IP or do  
we have to use another TCP/IP package for it to work in OS/2?  I have looked  
for it in archie, but couldn't find it.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
From: buhr@umanitoba.ca (Kevin Andrew Buhr)
Subject: Re: PMX Server questions
Organization: University of Manitoba, Canada
	<1992Oct7.002614.1050@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:59:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.002614.1050@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz>
nholford@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Nick Holford) writes:

   If I telnet from an HP-UX machine which is running X windows (HP-VUE) to
   an OS/2 machine which is running X windows (PMX) what applications that
   are running on the OS/2 machine can I expect to control in a useable way
   from the HP system? OS/2 full screen? WPS? Windows? VDM? None?

As it stands, the PMX package is an X server.  It has a few X client
programs (a clock, I think), but nothing exciting.  In particular, it
does *not* have an xterm client (and if it does, it'll be no better or
worse than a telnet session).  It does *not* have an X client that
allows arbitrary OS/2 programs to display themselves on a remote
display.

In short, telnetting from your HP-UX machine to an OS/2 machine
running X windows, you can run the X clock and any other OS/2 programs
that have been specifically written using the X client library to run
as X clients.  With appropriate command line arguments, I'm pretty
sure you'll be able to get them to display on your HP-UX.  To my
knowledge, the appropriate libraries are not even externally
available, so don't expect any shareware OS/2 X clients anytime soon.

You cannot run Win-OS/2 or PM programs and expect them to display on
your HP-UX machine.  In theory, a program to do this could probably be
written.  Unfortunately, it would have to convert every Microsoft
Windows or PM graphics request into appropriate X requests.  Not
knowing the details of the Windows or PM window systems, I can't
comment on whether this would be easier or harder than IBM's seamless
Win-OS/2 (which converts Microsoft Windows requests to PM requests, in
a broad sense).  I expect it would be harder, for reasons I don't want
to get into.

If you are interested in this kind of functionality, I understand that
Desqview X (?) works internally with X primitives.  Therefore, programs
written for Desqview are already doing the things X clients do.  With
appropriate network hardware and software, you may be able to display
Desqview X programs on remote X server displays and vice versa.

Someone else, with a little more knowledge on the subject, will
probably be able to comment fully.

Good luck.

Kevin Buhr <buhr@ccu.UManitoba.CA>
From: vdhart@isil02.isi.kfa-juelich.de (andre van der hart)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: tcpip problems with color planes
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:33:11 GMT
Reply-To: vdhart@isil02.isi.kfa-juelich.de (andre van der hart)
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH (KFA), Germany

Hi netters,
I am using a software package on my DEC station under X-Windows and would
like to use my PC as an X-terminal. The company who sold me the package
has tested it with X-terminals and PC's with Xview. I have on my PC OS/2 2.0
and IBM TCP/IP 1.2.1 with PMX 1.2.1.3 and get the following error:

X-Error : bad access, attempt to access privat resource

and the program gives me a warning:

Unable to allocate color table 1

and another 6 warnings for the color tables 2 till 7.
The software package uses the X-View toolkit of Open Windows.
Is there anyone who can tell me what is wrong?

Thanks in advance

Andre van der Hart
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
From: scleyle@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Recognition of 3 HDs
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:33:01 GMT

I am new to this list so please excuse if this has been dealt with 
previously. We have an Everex Megacube with 3 ESDI hard drives. Two sit
on the primary controller and one on another. Under DOS, all three
drives are recognized, but OS2 only recognizes the first controller.
I am anxious to hear how others have gotten around this problem. 
We wish to set up Lan Manager 2.1 duplexing and must have the 
third drive.

Please respond to me directly. Thanks!

Susan Cleyle
Systems and Planning Librarian
Health Sciences Library
Memorial University of Newfoundland
St. John's , Newfoundland A1C 3V6
scleyle@kean.ucs.mun.ca

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
From: c9a-aj@po.berkeley.edu (Claudio Fahey)
Subject: reading mail through dialup line in OS/2?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:30:26 GMT

I just started using the Internet through a dialup line.  Right now,
I'm using Qmodem under OS/2 for the terminal emulation.  I'm using
Network News to read the conferences.  Does anybody know if there's
a program ( OS/2 or DOS ) that will allow me to read the mail offline
or at least give me an easy and responsive interface?  I'm connected
at 2400bps and it's gets tiring seeing the messages slowly scroll up the
screen.
From: ignacij@meishan.animal.uiuc.edu (Ignacy Misztal)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: Re: Socket Numbers
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:21:11 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

geurin@texasex.nosc.mil writes:


>Howdy-

>By what method does IBM TCP/IP decide when to reset socket numbers?
>Is there a way to manually reset the socket numbers?

>I ask these questions because PMX refuses connections once the socket
>numbers shown by netstat -s are over 500.  TCP/IP seems to reset
>the socket numbers randomly.  Once they're reset, PMX works.  The
>only way I know of to manually reset the socket numbers is to
>re-boot :(

>Discovered yet another PMX bug:  I recently changed my entire desktop
>color scheme.  Starting PMX as I used to do with the -pseudo option
>(necessary if one wants a half decent color palette) causes PMX to
>immediately crash with an access violation.

>Chance Geurin
>geurin@texasex.nosc.mil

I reported the first problem to the IBM service dept. On my PC, the number of
open secokets, as reported by netstat -s, is growing. It was 120
yesterday and it is 160 today. Most of the sockets are in the CLOSE-WAIT state, although some are CLOSED. My PC swaps despite having 16 M RAM.
Could it be due to memory absorbed by the sockets?
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University of Illinois		Phone: (217) 244-3164
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
From: backman@vaxeline.ftp.com  (Larry Backman)
Subject: Re: very poor ftp and nfs performance
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 08:31:03

In article <Oct06.232526.22220@engr.washington.edu> eliot@engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:

 >> the machine is a ps2-70 w/ 10M RAM, 3com etherlink mc card running OS2
 >> 2.0 and tcpip 1.2.1 with tcpip and nfs CSDs applied.  i am attempting
 >> to use an rs/6000 as a fileserver for this machine.  the problem is
 >> that doing nfs writes or ftp writes to the fileserver is just about
 >> impossible.  any file larger than 10K or so will eventually time out
 >> and die.  ftp or nfs reads from the fileserver is barely better.  i
 >> get about 10KB/sec transfer rates on a network that is less than 1%
 >> loaded.  a lan analyzer shows that the ps2 is only putting out packets
 >> on the network every couple of seconds.
 >> 
 >> is there anything obvious that i am missing?  this is the very first
 >> machine in the dept. that has os2 and the network performance so far
 >> is worrying, since we also have a 3995 jukebox that will run basically
 >> the same stuff.  serving several hundred GB of data at 10KB/sec is not
 >> going to be pleasant!
 >> 
If it were PCTCP I could be more exact; but here goes anyways...

MY guess is that you are losing because of either of 2 things; potentially 
your NFS is doing 8K RPC writes and the server is not receiving all 6
IP fragments of the 8K RPC, causing you to retransmit over and over and
over...

Does a network trace show the same RPC (look at the XID field) being sent
again & again?  Are you going through a router to the file server?

Second possibility; you are doing 1K writes as opposed to 8K writes and
running into an inhenrent NFS performance limitation, that writes must
be synchronous; i.e. that data *must* be on disk before the RPC is completed.
Due to the joys of Unix disk IO, writes take time; a 10K bytes/sec. number
is consistant with what a RS6000 will do on 1K writes.  In this case; you
should reconfigure your write size up to 8K and watch your performance
increase..

Good luck.  Maybe someone from IBM can shed further light on this..

Larry Backman
FTP Software
From: luca@dedalo.unipg.it (Luca Priorelli)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: PCNFSD under OS/2
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:56:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: ipgaix.1992Oct15.145633.100987
Organization: Universita' di Perugia

I tried to connect a DOS machine to my OS/2 NFS server and couldn't do it.
I suspect that my NFS client SW (PC/TCP by FTP Software) requires
PCNFSD running on the server machine to do the authentication.

Does IBM TCP/IP provides such feature?

If not, how con I do it?

Thanks

Luca Priorelli
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
From: peterp@unipalm.co.uk (Peter Piggott)
Subject: PC-Xview for DOS in VDM
Organization: Unipalm Ltd., 216 Cambridge Science Park, Cambridge CB4 4WA, UK
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:26:34 GMT

I'm not sure if anyone out there can help, but here goes:

I am running PC/TCP for DOS V2.1 with V10 Crynwr packet driver for an SMC
elite 8-bit card.
I have NO problems with that - even loading part of the kernal into expanded
memory.
I then run PC-Xview for DOS Version 4.0a. All functions appear to work, except
one:
Cut and Paste.
I am able to highlight the relevant text (from within an xterm).
However, when I try to paste the text '1' characters appear. After a few
attempts, the actual 'required' text may well get pasted.

It sounds as though its a problem in the mouse driver.
Incidentally the mouse is a DFI DMS-200H using OS/2's PCLOGIC driver.

Anybody else tried this?

It happens whether I'm using a DOS VDM or specific DOS version.

Cheers,

PeterP

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Unipalm Technical Support	Tel: +44 223 420002
216 Cambridge Science Park
Milton Road
Cambridge
CB4 4WA
England
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From: peterd@tscc2.macarthur.uws.edu.au ()
Subject: lan server 2.0, dos xcopy & copy problems
Organization: University of Western Sydney
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:35:00 GMT

I remember seeing a post about copying problems with os/2 2.0 lan server
and dos terminals. ie. copying of large files to dos terminals fails.
It's since fallen out of our news cache.

Can anyone tell me if there is a fix for this problem ?
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Fax    +61 46 26-6937   oo    *  Campbelltown, New South Wales, Australia !
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From: tom@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Tom Aurand)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: 3c501 with IBM TCPIP
Keywords: 3C501
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:10:37 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Does someone have TCPIP working with a 3C501 ethernet card?
Can you help me with configuration stuff?

Thanks

Tom
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
From: ignacij@meishan.animal.uiuc.edu (Ignacy Misztal)
Subject: Re: Telnet hogs CPU
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:45:21 GMT

thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:

>In article <1992Oct06.171553.19898@ans.net> db3l@ans.net (David Bolen) writes:
>>
>>I think this is a problem with "telnet.exe", but I don't think it occurs
>>with any of "tn.exe", "vt100.exe" or "vt220.exe".  I'm not sure if telnet.exe
>>adds anything special (maybe linemode?), but you might try just using one
>>of the other emulators.

>Next question:

>When telnetting into the machine, how can I use vt100.exe instead of
>telnet.exe?

>-- 
>    Thomas Beagle | thomas@datamark.co.nz  or  thomas@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz
>Datamark Intl Ltd | 
> Technical Writer | I don't need a disclaimer, I live in a sane society.

The newest beta CSD has telnet that does not hog CPU any more. So finally
the request for  a better telnet.exe is about to be satisfied. 
Don't ask me for that CSD because it has other bugs (that's why it is beta).

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University of Illinois		Phone: (217) 244-3164
1207 W. Gregory Dr.
Urbana, IL 61801
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From: Yuk.Lun.Chan@f1.n100.z60.wlink.nl (Yuk Lun Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: NetWare Requester for OS/2 2.0 downloadable?
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:42:41 -0100

Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.

>comp.os.os2.networking / sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) /  3:34 am  Oct 10, 1992 /
>In article <1992Oct8.011450.5783@nwnexus.WA.COM> markmc@halcyon.com (Mark McWiggins) writes:
>>I need NetWare Requester for OS/2 2.0. Is there some BBS or archive
>>site where Novell puts such things, or do I have to order it on disk?

>Unfortunately it is not being made available from online services.
>However, you can order it for $30 from Novell by calling 800-UPDATE1.
>That number is good in the U.S.

>Ask about the NetWare Workstation Kit Version 3.0 for OS/2 2.0.  It
>should be out by now.

Is it a OS/2 2.0 native package or just running in Dos Box?

>-- 
>Timothy F. Sipples      | The OS/2 FREQ. ASKED QUESTIONS LIST is avail. from
>sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all/faq.
>Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | Or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP").
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
From: jim@tct.com (Jim Kunzman)
Subject: New Novell Requester Problem
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:51:14 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Keywords: Novell Requester Full-Screen

I updated my requester with the files from NSD201 and my Netware
drivers still crash whenever I enter a DOS full-screen VDM or try to
access a network drive.  They also crash if I just enter the VDM and
exit without trying to access a network drive.  The strange thing is
that this doesn't occur in OS/2 or DOS Window sessions.  Oh yes, I did
set lastdrive to D...

The error I get when the drivers fail is:

NET0140: Timeout waiting for reply from file server TCT1

The lan is an Arcnet and I believe that the server is running Novell
Netware 2.15B.

Has anyone else experienced these problems?  Do you have any
suggestions other than don't use full-screen VDMs? :-)
-- 
Jim Kunzman at Teltronics/TCT     <jim@tct.uucp>, <uunet!pdn!tct!jim>
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OS/2 2.0 - 1,400,000+ copies sold.  Sweet dreams Mr. Balmy.
From: mstaben@comtch.spk.wa.us (Matthew Staben)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: Anyone know?
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:37:33 GMT
Organization: Waffle BBS at CompuTech Spokane, Washington


 
What I'm trying to do is obtain Netware programming manuals.  These 
manuals should explain to me, without using "C" snippets, how to access 
the various bindery services, etc.  OS/2 compatibility is desireable, but 
not necessary.  
 
I'm writing a program which will bring up a list of printers (I want to 
use assembler to grab them) which are on the network.  I also wish to 
pass a password to Netware which will return a boolean result of whether 
it was entered or not (while the user is logged in.)  
 
I need the book which will tell me the necessary calls, structures (IN 
NON-C FORMAT!!!!!!), etc.  ANY RECOMMENDATIONS?
 
Matt

mstaben@comtch.spk.wa.us
 
- A warning to anyone, still in command...
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Suggestion for Peer to Peer network (printers/Files)
Keywords: OS/2 Network LanTastic
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:32:19 GMT

In article <u855203.718622017@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u855203@geo.geol.utas.edu.au (Michael J Harlow) writes:
>I have been using OS/2 2.0 at work now for several months, and I just
>love it.  My productivity has increased to the point that managment
>want the other programmer to start using OS/2 now too. He wants to anyway.
>We have been considering setting up a simple network to share printers
>and importantly files between our machines.  Our source code control 
>systen currently consists of a sheet of paper with all .cpp files (80+) listed
>and we stick coloured pins into it when one of us is editing it, and when
>finished, the floppy shuffle starts to remerge changes, and chaos occurs if
>we've both edited the same file !
>So, what I'd like to ask is what simple peer-2-peer networks are available
>to suit our needs.  I'd like a bit of speed, ruling out serial/parallel
>solutions, and out parallel ports have printers anyway.

This "official" (and the most elegant) solution is to use IBM's TCP/IP
1.2.1 for OS/2.  The base services package runs $130 at academic
discount in the U.S. (with a little extra for NFS, i.e. disk sharing).
FTP Software's PCTCP package for OS/2 is also worth investigating, but
I don't think it has both NFS client and server, which is probably
what you need.

For more information on IBM TCP/IP 1.2.1, get ahold of the TCP/IP
announcement letter located in /pub/os2/all/info on ftp-os2.nmsu.edu
(anonymous ftp).

Artisoft is presently working on an OS/2 version of LANtastic.  Stay
tuned for that.  TCP/IP, though, is a nice way to go, since it is such
a common standard.

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of Chicago, 60637       | Family Values Means a Job