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From: DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: LAST COMMAND Predictions ( SPOILERS! )
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:38:03 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


In article <BxB7Lt.31v@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sven E.
Skoog) says:
>
>Let's not forget that the Rebellion (oops... New Republic)
>has a hold of the Katana, flagship of the Dreadnaught fleet.
>If you recall, the Katana fleet's crew went insane and slaved
>all their ships into that one's system...
>
>Idle coincidence for Last Command?  I think NOT...

 I was under the impression that this plot tidbit had already had
its day at the end of DFR.  That is, the slaving-together of the
Katana fleet was what allowed the Rebels aboard the Katana to
send another Dreadnaught on a collision course with the Star
Destroyer Peremptory.  However, the slave circuitry achieved no
other useful purpose in DFR; apparently it was incapable of
manipulating the rest of the Dreadnaughts at that point.

 I would think that Thrawn would be
smart enough to disconnect any ties to the Katana that might still exist
in the circuitry of his new Dreadnaughts... i. e. I hope this isn't
a plot device on the order of "a SINGLE MASTER CONTROL SIGNAL beamed
through hyperspace! What a GREAT idea!" ( I'll never get over that )

 However, I suppose that the
Katana being in the hands of the Rebels could be a significant factor.
Perhaps the Katana's circuitry can still have some effect on the
Dreadnaughts, or perhaps the Katana ( as the flagship ) contains
stored data on special aspects ( weaknesses? ) of the Dark Force...

>And I believe (for the record) that Luke will continue trying
>to redeem C'baoth (remember he doesn't know Jorus is a clone)
>and either Mara will choose to kill him herself or have to as
>a result of Luke being up sh*t creek without a paddle (i.e.,
>faked out by Jorus).
>

  Apparently everybody seems to think that Mara is still
going to try to kill Luke...at this point, after everything
that's happened ( Luke helping her rescue Karrde, Luke finding her
drifting ejection seat at the end of DFR, etc. ) , this would
really piss me off. I mean, there's such a thing as gratitude,
even for people with warped allegiances to totalitatarian galactic
regimes...
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From: ss@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: C3PO...What did he actually see?
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:54:29
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU's message of 6 Nov 92 20:08:46 GMT

>>>>> On 6 Nov 92 20:08:46 GMT, dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Yiu Ming KO) said:

dyko> I know this subject had been raised before...about the white
dyko> C3PO. But I'm not sure if anyone had any ideas as to what it
dyko> really saw...just before it got blasted.  Was it Stormtroopers?

Well first the WHITE 3PO didn't get shot. Our hero the GOLD C-3PO was
shot. C-3PO (gold) saw Stormtroopers. Remember when Chewie starts to
repair him, one of the first things he says is, Stormtrooper? Here. I
must warn the other. 

dyko> What's that white replica doing there anyway?  

It was just a white droid the same model as 3PO. Just like there
are R2 units everywhere. Probably just doing it's normal duties on the
city. 

dyko> Also, is Cloud City == Bespin? 

Bespin is the planet/system in which Cloud City is floating above.

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From: craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin)
Subject: Re: More CHALLENGING QUESTIONS-IF YOU DARE!!!
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:04:40 GMT

Mumbles <JXD132@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>I always thought hyperspace was a different "dimension" that mapped
>to and from our space, but that it was smaller and so you could travel
>between the mapped points faster.  (this is opposed to warp which is
>really fast travel in our own space.)
>But then I was wondering why there would be a risk of flying through a
>a supernova if you left our space...

   The RPG states that an object in realspace has a hyperspace "shadow",
which, when passed through, has much the same effect as passing through
the actual object. <ouch>  :-)  This argument sounds reasonable enough
to me...

-- 

Craig Coffin          |  "Try not.  Do, or do not.  There is no try."
craig@odie.cs.mun.ca  |       -- Yoda, TESB
From: 907fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: "CUTE DINOSAUR" THING!!!!
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:18:00 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

	... people don't read all the posts on a thread.

PLEASE read all posts about the dinosaur.  I've explained the answer,
so read it before you post any goofy off-the-wall suggestions.

		--Dave "Y-Wings and Boba Fett are Cool" Fanjoy
From: meierdalepau@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: RE:  Robbie the Robot in Star Wars!
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:16:39 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

	The black droid does resemble Robbie somewhat, except that it 
appears to have no discernable legs and it obviously taller and larger in 
circumference than Robbie.  Therefore, it is definitely not Robbie.

Dale Meier
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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (Dark Lord of the Sith)
Subject: WANTED: SW RADIO SHOW, EWOKS MOVIES, THANKSGIVING SPECIAL
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:37:03 GMT

     I would like to have in my personal Star Wars collection the following
things:

1. The Complete Star Wars radio show transcrpits (on audio cassette)
2. The Star Wars Thanksgiving TV special (on VHS)
3. The 2 live action Ewok movies shown on TV (on VHS)

    While we're at it, does anybody remember the TV promo for Return of the
Jedi. It had stuff on all 3 movies, interviews, special effects and all.
It even tells us how the scene in Star Wars was filmed where Ben shut off
the tractor beam (ps the chasm wasn't THAT deep, it just looked that way
on the big screen).     

    If anyone has any information on how I can get these, please e-mail me
that information.

-- 

John P. LaRocque
4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca

"Farm chores sure could be dull, and Luke Skywalker was bored beyond belief.
He yearned for adventures out among the stars - adventures that would take him
beyond the furthest galaxies to distant and alien worlds.

"But Luke got more than he bargained for..."
                            from Star Wars the paperback (1976, first edition)

"Urk..urk..."
"Apologies accepted", Darth Vader
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From: redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Vian Lawson)
Subject: Another SW song ...
Keywords: G&S??
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:02:02 GMT

Here's a little ditty I picked up out of a dusty and much read fanzine ...

It's always been one of my favorites, sing along if you know the tune :)

From the musical, _HMS DEATHSTAR_, Messers Gilbert and sullivan are proud
to Present

	I AM THE VERY MODEL OF A MODERN DIPLOMATIC DROID

THREEPIO:
I am the very model of a modern diplomatic droid
I'm fluent in the languages of Robot, Wookiee, humanoid,
A binary loadlifter does not pose the slightest mystery,
I know the rules of protocol and also human history.
I'm very well aquainted too, with matters mathematical,
I understand equations, both the simple and quadratical,
About binomial theorem I'm teeming with a lot o' news --
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse

CHORUS
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse (X3)

THREEPIO
I'm very good at integral and differential calculus,
I know the scientific names of beings animalculous;
In short, my masters find in me a reason to be overjoyed,
I am the very model of a modern diplomatic droid.

CHORUS
In short his masters find in he, etc.

THREEPIO
I am the very model of a modern diplomatic droid;
Adventure is the sort of thing I'd hoped that I could quite avoid,
For droids who find adventure ofetn find that they get melted down,
Or shipped out to the Kessel mins and tiresome labour underground.
My counterpart excells at making trouble for the rest of us,
He lured me to the desert where the jawas soon molested us,
They sold us to some farmers, and before the passing of a day,
I had to tell my master that the little twerp had run away

CHORUS
He had to tell etc. (X3)

THREEPIO
Now that we're on the Death Star, and stormtroopers swarm the premises,
I'm hiding in the closet with that little Artoo nemesis;
And so I want to make it clear 'ere Artoo gets us both destroyed.
I was the very model of a modern diplomatic droid.

CHORUS
And so he wants to make it clear 'ere Artoo gets them both destroyed,
He was the very model of a modern diplomatic droid.


By golly, they're not writing them like that anymore.  There's a whole
musical here ...
-- 
  "They've shut down the main reactor"   /  ^  \  Vian Lawson. 
  "Oh no!  That means we'll have to     |  \ /  | Otherwise known as  
  react on our own ..."                  \_____/ redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
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Subject: THX-1138 references (was: R2D2 in Raiders)
From: ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:15:27 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

Ah ha!
Yet another chance to get an age-old question answered by Net-gurus!

I had heard that Lucas had slipped THX-1138 into "all his movies."  It's on the
license plate in AMERICAN GRAFITTI.  In the SW novel, it's the "call number" of 
the stormtrooper Luke knocks off when the Falcon gets snagged by the Death
Star.  But it's not what's heard on film. (I think its actually "TK-421, why
aren't you at your post?")  I had heard that THX makes appearances in ESB (in
the microbinoculars the rebel uses to get a closer look at the AT-ATs), and in
Raiders (the number stenciled on the crate the Ark is stored in), but I know
that the latter isn't the case.

So -- Where else, if anywhere, does "THX-1138" appear in LucasFilms?

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From: jdb@crane.cis.ufl.edu (John Brothers)
Subject: Re: The ? Empire
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:26:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.165018.26792@cis.ohio-state.edu> mccray@cherry.cis.ohio-state.edu (scott andrew mccray) writes:
>In article <+g+qrcq@lynx.unm.edu> pklinker@apollo.mcl.bdm.com (Paul Klinker) writes:
>>I have a question about the Empire.  What is the name of the Empire?  As
>>far as I know empires have names e.g. the Roman Empire and the British
>>Empire.  Would the empire be name after the capitol planet or is it the
>>Palpatine Empire?  Anyone, anyone?

In the opening perspective text, it is referred to as the 'GALACTIC EMPIRE'
in at least one of the movies.    It could be, (stringing this over from
another thread), that since most of the communication is being translated
into english, that this should be the name of the galaxy.  Of course, since
we call our home planet 'Earth', it could be that they simply call their
home galaxy 'the Galaxy' in which case it WOULD be 'the galactic empire'.
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: CHALLENGING QUESTIONS
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:28:10 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Nov1.024534.2999@pro-freedom.cts.com>, pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
> In <cZ5iTB2w165w@dogbox.acme.gen.nz>
> dave@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (David Dustin) writes:
> 
>>> Second, if you are in space, there is no gravity. However, the characters
>>> are in spacecrafts, which are in space. The ships themselves have gravity
>>> generators, allowing them to walk rather than float.... Take out these
>>> generators, and everyone floats..
>>
>>Ok then, explain how they can walk around in the Giant Space Slug in ESB. 
>> They aren't in a ship then......
>>
>>                                                                 :)ave
>>
>>--
>>David Dustin             |  "Nice jail.  Looks strong."
>>Dave@Dogbox.acme.gen.nz  |                               - H. Houdini
> 
> 
> Hmmm...Now that is tough one....How about, The slug, being able to survive
> in space is a special breed that not only replicates its own oxygen
> mixture, but also its own "built-in" gravity source....or maybe just a
> boo-boo on the writer's part ???
> 
> Dave
> ==============================================================

	Another possibility for this whole thing is, maybe there are no gravity
generators.  Maybe, as in Star Trek, those boots/shoes that everyone wears are
computer controlled gravity boots, and everything they have has a gravity
thingy in it, to simulate planetary life.  Sure, it's weak, but hey, whaddya
expect?  I like the above guy's explanation.  Just thought I'd add another
possibility, remote as it is.  :)
From: mmccartn@cs.utexas.edu (Michael David McCartney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Definition: Lucasm
Date: 12 Nov 1992 10:24:53 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu

I made this up over the summer and thought you all might get a kick out of it:

Lucasm  /loo-kasm/ n. george LUCAS + orgASM; 1.  The feeling experienced when
completely emersed in a film by George Lucas.  2.  An emotion of a collector
of Lucasfilm products felt at the moment of a successful and valuable find.
ex: Mike, the STAR WARS collector, had a LUCASM when he found the original
print of the STAR WARS novelization signed by George Lucas.

I use the word regularly as it does have it's place (i'm a collector) and
was wondering if anyone else share's in my insanity (wrt making up words.)

cheers,
mike
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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (Dark Lord of the Sith)
Subject: RAIDERS OF THE LOST ESB DRAFT SCRIPT
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:07:32 GMT

     I am sending you on a mission. As the Dark Lord said in Star Wars, I
want you to tear this place apart until you have found the plans.

     The place: Eastern New Mexico University
     The plans: the complete papers of Leigh Brackett

All of Leigh Brackett's manuscripts, letters and stuff used to be stored 
here. I want YOU to personally verify that they are still there and to find
the following:

     1. The initial draft to Empire Strikes Back and related documents
     2. All correspondence with the great Jedi master George Lucas

If reports do not come soon, I will have to do the research myself. It should
take a good week to dig up the paper. This is not an easy job.

As your leader, the Dark Lord of the Sith admonishes researchers to follow
up on this great task. The emporer will be most pleased if followers in New
Mexico begin right away.

PS This is a serious letter and the research is real and rewarding, for all
    of us newsgroup readers. I have the information about the papers, but
    living in Canada (Hoth?) makes things difficult. thanx

-- 

John P. LaRocque
4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca

"Farm chores sure could be dull, and Luke Skywalker was bored beyond belief.
He yearned for adventures out among the stars - adventures that would take him
beyond the furthest galaxies to distant and alien worlds.

"But Luke got more than he bargained for..."
                            from Star Wars the paperback (1976, first edition)

"Urk..urk..."
"Apologies accepted", Darth Vader
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From: HDW@UCSVAX (H D WALDEN)
Subject: Re: It *WAS* Ratzenberger
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:09:24 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

	Greetings from fanboy! I have another question for you all, if you think
you're up to it. Here goes: Toward the beginning of ANH, when Luke first dicov-
ers the secret message in R2-D2( Leia begging for help to Obi-wan), he asks
C-3PO, "Who is she? She's beautiful." C-3PO then responds( more or less), "I'm
afraid I'm not quite sure--a person of some importances I believe, sir." What
gives?!? C-3PO obviously DOES know who Leia is, for in one of the first lines of
movie he says, "There'll be no escape for the PRINCESS this time." Some of you 
will say that the restraining belt has weakened 3PO's memory. Well, I've already
thought of that one--if the restraining belt HAS weakened his memory, then why
does he go on to say, "Our last master was Cptn. Antilles."??? And if you say
that 3PO just didn't want to reveal to Luke their secret plan, then I say that
3PO never KNEW about the secret plan. If you recall earlier in the movie, when
R2 and 3PO are about to get into the escape pod to get away from the Emperial
( BTW, when does one spell "Emperial" with an "I" as opposed to an "E"?) troops,
R2 bleeps something to 3PO, and 3PO responds, "Secret mission? What secret mis-
sion? What plans? What are you talking about?!?" This tells me that 3PO never 
knew of R2's plans to find Obi-wan. So my question is, why didn't C-3PO tell
Luke who Leia was when Luke discovered R2-D2's secret message toward the begin-
ning of ANH?

	Anyone,anyone...Bueller,Bueller,...

				-"There will be no one to stop us this time!"

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From: nnhill@david.wheaton.edu (Nathan N Hill)
Subject: Re: Endor Moon?
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:11:13 GMT

While the RotJ novel says that the planet vanished, I doubt it. This was a
throwaway line in the novel and all of the novels have inconsistencies with the
movies. (The movies, of course, being our highest source of SW canon.) 

There is a planet visible far away from the Sanctuary moon which is visible in
three scenes of RotJ. I suppose it could be another moon, but this is pretty
hard to believe. I say it's the planet Endor. If not, it is the planet that
the Endor moon orbits... I really don't believe a planet could be annihilated
without its moons catching total hell. 

All of this has been said and carefully explained before; I don't feel like
repeating it now...

BTW, speaking of my previous post, any opinions on my suggestion about the
term "sanctuary"? I said that it may refer to the moon's being set aside as a
sanctuary for transplanted forests from industrial worlds. The Ewoks (and all
other life thereon) would thus be transplants, too.
This could explain Threepio's reasonable familiarity with their dialect.

							local Star Wars guru
______________________________________________________________________________

"You bet your asteroid" --Ham Salad

					Nathan Hill (nnhill@david.wheaton.edu)
______________________________________________________________________________
From: f_alfan@pavo.concordia.ca (ALFANI, FABRIZIO)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: It *Was* Ratzenburger (RE: C3-P0)
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:11:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

side at first. A Droid lying you ask!?? Sure, he did it in the death star,
when he and R2 were in that command post, and he fibbed to the stormtrooper guy
that  he wanted to take R2 down to maintenance because his servomotors were 
screwed. I think this  suggests that 3P0 has developped a personality far beyond
his "whine, complain, fret" facade. I could be wrong, but the sources I've
read seem to indicate that infrequent memory wipes can cause a droid to develop
a personality. Anyways, again, IMHO C3P0 is stretching the truth when he 
first refers to the princess as 'someone important' to Luke.
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From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on Stormtroopers
Date: 13 Nov 92 10:40:58 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <YeyiT3G00WAxIJY0wZ@andrew.cmu.edu> nb2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nathanel J. Barlow) writes:
>In message <1992Nov5.155105.8727@cs.hw.ac.uk>, Adrian Hurt writes:
>
>>On the other hand, they can hit a Rebel trooper, as they showed in >Princess
>>Leia's ship in ANH
>
>That's the only time is any of the movies where the stormtroopers show
>the extreme efficiency which they are supposed to have.

Who won the battle of Hoth?

In ROTJ, they did hit some Ewoks; just not enough of them.

My theory is that they're not allowed to hit anyone who is paid more than
them.  They can hit Rebel troopers and they can hit Ewoks, but they can't
hit the stars of the film.  The one who shot Leia in ROTJ would probably
have been reminded very Forcefully of this by either Vader or the Emperor,
except that both of those had other things to deal with at the time, and
neither survived the film.
:-)

-- 
 "Keyboard?  How quaint!" - M. Scott

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From: nyamane@nyx.cs.du.edu (Norm Yamane)
Subject: Re: Staw wars and Galactica
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 17:23:06 GMT

In article <M6==lT=@engin.umich.edu> yyrkoon@morris.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe ) writes:
>
>For all those who have been posting on this subject, here's a bit of trivia 
>that many of you may have noticed already:
>
>Johnny Williams wrote the theme to Battle Star Galactica. Yes, the one and the
>same who wrote the Star Wars music.
>
Hmm, if I remember correctly the composer of the Battlestar Galactica
music was Stu Phillips.

If John Williams wrote the theme then I don't remember him getting
credit for it.

Norm
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