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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 92 17:15:20 EDT
From:         "Jean-Pierre Ruiz" <RUIZJ@SJUVM>
Subject:      Still waiting, and deskjet too
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After many many attempts and many many busy signals, I got through to
NBI today, and was told by the person who answered the phone that my
NB + Lingua + Orbis + Ibid + Ibid Plus + Fonts would be :in the group sent
out today: via UPS.  While keeping my fingers crossed that NBI and I have
similar notions of what :today: means, they also told me that someone in
tech support would get back to me on the Deskjet 500 problem, which I
have been trying to resolve for a computer neophyte who is also a Notabene
neophyte.
From what I can gather from the comments on the list, the problem _may_ be a
lack of memory on the Deskjet 500 Side--this DJ 500 has no additional memory
card installed.  Even so, it perplexes me that it _is_ successfully downloading
and printing in Times Roman for English language text.
If an additional memory card _is_ needed, wouldn't the combined expense of Desk
jet 500 and the additional memory not make it a better idea (in retrospect) for
my colleague to have bought a Laserjet IIIP?

Jean-Pierre Ruiz
Theology & Religious Studies / St. John's University, Jamaica NY
Bitnet: RUIZJ@SJUVM
Internet: RUIZJ@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU
From: MLO@KSUVM.BITNET (Michael Ossar)
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Subject: text width
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:45:00 GMT
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I'm sure this is a really stupid question, but in the absence of a manual I
might as well just ask it.  When I had the default point size set to 10, the
horizontal margins were 1 inch, right and left, but when I used the set menu
to change the default point size to 12, the text width suddenly changed from
6 1/2" to 5 1/2" even though in the set menu the default text width is still
65 (and the offset is still 10).  What's going on here?
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 92 10:00:54 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar,
              Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Elizabeth Schmidt
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If anybody knows Elizabeth Schmidt from Harvard, please tell
her that I had to remove her from the list, because her
mail kept returning to me (I normally wait for a number
of days before removing anybody; if I keep getting this returned
mail, I have no choice).

If you find yourself mysteriously cut off, please check
if you haven't been removed from the list. I am not always
able to send indirect msgs.

Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 92 18:38:25 PDT
From:         Stephen Davison <davison@MIZAR.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Still waiting, and deskjet too
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> >From what I can gather from the comments on the list, the problem _may_ be a
> lack of memory on the Deskjet 500 Side--this DJ 500 has no additional memory
> card installed.  Even so, it perplexes me that it _is_ successfully
 downloading
> and printing in Times Roman for English language text.
> If an additional memory card _is_ needed, wouldn't the combined expense of
 Desk
> jet 500 and the additional memory not make it a better idea (in retrospect)
 for
> my colleague to have bought a Laserjet IIIP?
>
> Jean-Pierre Ruiz
> Theology & Religious Studies / St. John's University, Jamaica NY
> Bitnet: RUIZJ@SJUVM
> Internet: RUIZJ@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU
>
The reason the DJ works without the extra memory is that the TM fonts
are built in.  You only need the memory for downloading the Lingua
fonts.  If you are only working in English and are happy with Times
Roman then the extra memory is not needed.

Stephen Davison.
davison@usc.edu
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From:         Allan Needell <NASSH100@SIVM>
Subject:      nb4+orbis+ibidplus arrival
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From: Allan Needell

Dorothy, et. al.,

May I be the first to report the arrival of a package with IBID+. My UPS man
brought mine this afternoon. It even includes the tutorial I was led to
believe would be withheld without a $10 extra charge.

I have a colleague who has ordered my package plus Lingua. It (poor dear) has
not arrived. I am looking forward to personally exploring all of the
intricacies, especially the exploitation of our networked HPIII laser printer
and will report success or failure in due course.

I have one question in advance. Has anyone tried the new "manuscript"
functions that replace the old, far from satisfactory, linked file functions.
I.e. has anyone printed out a long, multichaptered document divided over many
files with any success. I'd like to hear about that, for that is what I will
be doing shortly.

Allan Needell
National Air & Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560  (BITNET: NASSH100@SIVM)
From: mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU (Marvyn R. Harris)
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Subject: Re: NB4.0 and Pc-Tools
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:27:38 GMT
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I'm using version 6 of PC-Tools as a memory resident program
which I pop up with CTRL-Esc. That conflicts with NB4's use of
that combination for Fonts:Reset. Anyone know how to alter one or
the other program's to solve the conflict?

Roy Harris - University of Virginia
mrh3b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU, mrh3b@Virginia.Bitnet
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From:         "Richard C. Taylor" <6297TAYLORR@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4.0 & Stacker
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Jerry Walch and Mark Szuchman have mentioned that they had no problems
with Stacker and NB4. I've not received NB4 yet (I guess I'm low on
the mailing list)  so I use NB3.1. Are there any problems with Stacker
and NB3.1? Further, which version of Stacker are you (Jerry and Mark)
using, the software only version or the version with a board added on?
Thanks.
Dick Taylor, Philosophy, Marquette U.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:09:47 -0400
From:         Ian C Jarvie <icj@NEXUS.YORKU.CA>
Subject:      NB 4.0
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Still no 4.0 in this Canadian home.

--
icj
(I.C. Jarvie, Dept. of Philosophy, York University, Toronto)
<icj@nexus.yorku.ca>
From: SZUCHMAN@SERVAX.BITNET (Mark D. Szuchman, History,
              Florida Int. Univ.)
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Date: 15 Oct 92 13:01:00 GMT
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J.P.'s problems of a reduced font set with his NEC-P5200 is likely resolved by
installing a NEC-P3200.  We have both printers in our department.  The font
set included in NB4's 3200 installation includes Times and Helvetica which is
labelled in the program as "Roman & Lingua" and "Helvette," respectively.
Mark D. Szuchman, History, FIU
From: tos@OZ.PLYMOUTH.EDU (Tom Schlesinger)
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Subject: Re: Symbol set switching
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:38:15 GMT
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I tried the symbol set switching too, just for the heck of it, and find it kind
of fun to have the actual Italics on screen -- though it has no serious value.
I found no significant difference in memory use (thought I understood it was
supposed to be lighter?); moreover, the observation that in Lingua mode there
is flickering and a less stable system leaves me quite baffled... I've not
experienced anything of the sort, and my hardware is far from upscale: no super
or VTI(?) or whatever -- just the standard IBM PS2/30-286 zapped up to a 386 by
an Evergreen daughterboard without extra clockspeed, and 2 MB total RAM.  But
it has always been rock steady, and even with the Beta, hang-ups were caused
only by mishaps with "view."  The Cyrillic, Hebrew, and Greek alphabets come up
interchangeably with the greatest of ease; I wish that some of the "normal"
printing (using NEC dot matrix) went as well, as the printing of those foreign
alphabets.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 92 11:42:17 -0400
From:         "Marvyn R. Harris" <mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      NB4 and disk space
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My upgrade package, which includes NB4, Lingua, Ibid, and Orbis,
arrived here in central Virginia on Monday. I have not installed
it because I am not sure that the meager 649216 bytes that I have
free on my hard drive is sufficient to allow it. Try as I may, I
have not been able to find in the documentation accompanying the
diskettes any information on the amount of disk space required to
install the various programs.

It occurs to me that if I begin the installation procedure, get
only part way through it, and find that I'm out of space, I may
have bombed version 3.1 that I'm using. Does anyone know how much
space the four programs will require beyond that used by my
version 3.1 with Ibid? What happens during the installation of
NB4 and Ibid? Are existing files either updated or deleted during
the process?

If one has a partitioned hard disk drive, will it be possible to
run both vers. 3.1 and 4.0 on the same partition?

Roy Harris - University of Virginia
mrh3b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU, mrh3b@Virginia.Bitnet
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 92 12:13:39 EDT
From:         Hugh Agnew <AGNEWHL@GWUVM>
Subject:      Re: Installation hiccups
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              9 Oct 92 08:27:08 EDT from <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>

Many thanks to Paul for the advice on installation.  After clearing out
some memory on my once-so-large 20 MB hard disk, I successfully installed
NB4 with Lingua and Orbis (no Ibid., yet) and it appears to function as it
should.  Now, what shall I do with the old NB directory, into which is
only partially installed NB4?  Does it make any sense to keep it installed
at all?  (Since NB4 can automatically convert both regular and SLS files?).

On another note, I played around with printers, and discovered that (as far
as printing Latin alphabet and Cyrillic alphabet languages go) my Lingua
seems happy enough driving my portable Toshiba 301 Expresswriter as though
it were a Toshiba 341-351 Lingua printer.  Unfortunately, my fixed printer
(Star Micronics NX2400) doesn't seem to "fake" an Epson LQ800 as effectively.

Thanks again; I agree with the view that the upgrade is probably worth it.

Sincerely,

Hugh Agnew
AGNEWHL@GWUVM.BITNET
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 92 07:52:11 LCL
From:         "John E. Koontz" <koontz@ALPHA.BLDR.NIST.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Report on Indexing
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In regard to Robert Lavenda's comments on indexing, it is typical of
indexing routines to have a limit on the amount of material they can handle,
or the number of distinct tokens.  This is usually gotten around by
requiring the user to run several indexing operations, and then a merge
operation to combine the indexes produced.  I suspect this has to do with
the algorithms used in indexing, and does reflect, indirectly, memory
constraints.  But, if the index programmers would get smart enough to hide
the multiple indexing and merge step from the users, we'd all be happier!
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 92 11:47:32 EDT
From:         "RANDALL D. WIGHT" <wight@OBU.ARKNET.EDU>
Subject:      of directory searching and laptop displays
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Odeda,
You were absolutely correct about Fastback being the last directory in my
autoexec.bat path statement.  Once I corrected the display problem, I was
able to determine that the unfound file was word.ovr, which then did not
exist in the NB directory.  All is well now.  Many thanks!

Mervyn, Lee, Michael,
Thanks for the tips about LCD displays.  After scrambling to find an eagle
utility, I used Michael's NB-loading bat file that contained the line "eagle
noexpand top" and the screen came up perfectly.  The /g and /m switches
were then unnecessary.  Thank you one and all!

Randall

Randall D. Wight
Department of Psychology
Ouachita Baptist University
Arkadelphia, AR  71998-0001

(501) 245-5107
wight@obu.arknet.edu

207 Forrest Park Drive
Arkadelphia, AR  71923-2812
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:04:00 CST
From:         LAVENDA@MSUS1
Subject:      Re: NB4 Video and Screensavers
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Paul,

I would certainly appreciate a copy of DIMMER.COM. Thanks for offering it.

Robert Lavenda     lavenda@msus1
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 92 03:41:50 IST
From:         JEARLS@TINY.COMPUTING.CSBSJU.EDU
Subject:      Printer Misbehavior
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I have been waiting for someone to report that 4.0 is printing [FontID]
before and after every line.  This is my predicament.  I have installed
the driver for the NEC 5200.  The number of fonts available has been reduced
from 3.0.  Times Roman and Helvetica, for instance, are no longer included.
I am hoping with Tom Schlesinger that NBI will be coming out with more
drivers as things quiet down from the first issue.  But this [FontID]
really makes 4.0 unusable.
Is there something really obvious I'm not doing?  Is this a punishment for
having installed it with _my_ full name rather than "English Dept. No. 3"?
Must I do penance and get an indult to reinstall it correctly?
J. P. EARLS / ST.JOHN'S UNIV. / COLLEGEVILLE, MN
					 56321 / JEARLS@CSBSJU.EDU
From: WALSHJ@SJUVM.BITNET (Jerry Walsh)
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Subject: NB4 arrival
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:54:01 GMT
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NB4 has finally made it across the East river to SJU (about 15 miles
from NBI).  I have not yet even had the chance to put the disks into the
drive.  But as someone else recently remarked on the list, the form
letter that was included in the package a few weeks ago is no longer
there.  That form letter contained two important statements:  (1) that
the full documentation would be arriving ASAP (I said "important," not
"reliable"), and (2) that the warranty period would not begin until the
full documentation was received.  What does it mean that those of us at
the end of the parade are not receiving this assurance?  Is NBI hedging
its bets?  Are they giving up on documentation?  Are they out of form
letters and can't afford more stationery?
                                         jtw
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From:         "Mark D. Szuchman, History, Florida Int. Univ." <SZUCHMAN@SERVAX>
Subject:      Re:4.0 and its documentation
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Rob Rittenhouse is right on the accessing of the menu item thru the ALT-key
comibnation.  Thus, ALT-E drops down the Edit item, ALT-S the Set item, and so
on.
Mark D. Szuchman
From: M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
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Subject: Re: V. 3.1 speller/memory matters.
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:25:23 GMT
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>
>
> Re: Mervyn's spell check problem--
>
> Mervyn, I don't know why your speller slowed down so when you installed
> 3.1.  I haven't heard of this problem before, and it didn't happen to
> me when I upgraded to 3.1.
> etc etc etc etc....

Thanks, Paul: this is exactly the information I mis-remembered and
wanted.

You're magic, man!
 ---------------
Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
Phone: (+44) (0) 392 263 161
Postal Address: Amory Building, Rennes Drive, Exeter EX4 4RJ, Devon, U.K.
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From:         Rob Rittenhouse <RITTENHO@FAUVAX>
Subject:      Re: 4.0 and its documentation
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First, NB 4.0 did arrive in South Florida several days ago. So I've
played with it.

On William Turpins documentation question on Ibid: seems to be
basically the same program as before with the new menu and a database
switching option. Took me a couple tries to get that set right. So
the 3.0 Ibid's docs should still work. Are you perhaps a new
purchaser of Ibid and did NBI not send the regular docs?

On 4.0 itself: The new menus are weird. The business of having F1
always bring up the menu you were last using is unlike behavior on
most other systems I've seen.  On the other hand there's probably no
major obstacle standing in the way of NBI having <ALT>-F bring up the
files menu and <ALT>-E the Edit menu in sorta proper CUA style.

We now have more possible function key combinations than WordPerfect
(so there WP weenies!).

I miss having the Info option in help. NBI or one of us should supply
a new one.

Rob Rittenhouse
Internet: RITTENHO@ACC.FAU.EDU
Bitnet:   RITTENHO@FAUVAX
From: M.A.Elass@DURHAM.AC.UK
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Subject: Re: misc
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:59:08 GMT
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Re:

>
> Re: switching back and forth NB 4.0 <--> NBLINGUA
>
> I work with HGC+ card. As I reported before, I can easily
> switch to ASCII mode; but when I try to return to NBLINGUA,
> the pgm requires re-installation, looking for the relevant
> files on the floppy disk.
>
> Has anybody with HGC+ been able to go back and forth?
>
> Itamar

I work with an HGC+ card, but I'm not quite sure exactly what you are asking
Itamar.  If you will explain (once again in layman's terms) what you are
wanting to do, I'll give it a whirl on my system and see what transpires.


Mateen Elass (m.a.elass@uk.ac.durham)
From: sokoloff@BIMACS.CS.BIU.AC.IL (Prof. Sokoloff Michael)
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Subject: Re: Hebrew with NBLINGUA Ibid
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I think that to a certain extent that I solved this problem using Shapirit.
when I load the TB using ramfont 48 with a different file so that Hebrew
appears on the screen though reversed everything works. The trick is to load
with the autoexec.bat the old hebrew.com file. Then if you hit ctr-right shift
the screen flips and you can enter hebrew withe the keyboard - not eh the
numer pad -  in the proper order, though it appears on the screen form left
to right. Of course when saved to a file all is well.
Michael
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Subject: Re: NBLINGUA & Toshiba Cyrillic
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:28:59 GMT
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Thank you, Hugh Agnew. I did indeed try again on reading your
message, this time loading the Toshiba driver while in the
Cyrillic mode AND with the text on the screen. This time, I got
Cyrillic on paper on the first attempt, and I must say that I am
very pleased with the high quality of the font.

It appears that on the Toshiba the characters are downloaded one
at a time as  required by the text. That makes for slow printing,
but I suppose the decision to go that route came from the small
download buffers used by some Toshiba models such as the
ExpressWriter 311.

Roy Harris - University of Virginia
mrh3b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU, mrh3b@Virginia.Bitnet
From: WMEEKS@YALEVM.BITNET (Wayne A. Meeks)
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Subject: installing lingua
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:07:12 GMT
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Thanks for suggestions received in response to my plea--especially to Itamar,
who observed that the symptoms I described (such as Heb going left to right,
Greek and Hebrew refusing to print) suggested Lingua hadn't installed itself
at all.  It hadn't apparently--though when I re-installed it, I repeatedly got
the message "file already existes" and had to force an overwrite.
Nevertheless, after the reinstallation those problems went away: Heb on screen
and in print is very nice, and the Greek too (though I think I liked the old
font for dot-matrix a bit better).

Now if I can just figure out how one edits a document format (e.g., for a
business letter).  The Quick Reference Guide informs me "Only a network
administrator can edit" such files (p. 97).  So how do I tell the *&%$ program
that I'm the only administrator I've got?  In spite of all this, I'm finding
it an exciting program.

Wayne Meeks
Dept of religious studies
Yale university
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please stop my subscription to the NOTA BENE list.

Albert Robillard.
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