From: green@plains.NoDak.edu (Brad Green)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections,alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Abortion again / was Re: DATELINE: Bush fucks up!
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:55:32 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Aug18.112948.1@cc.helsinki.fi> leisti@cc.helsinki.fi (Teemu Leisti) writes:
>So, if 75% of the American people supported mandatory euthanasia for all
>people over 80 years old, would that make it all right?

Nice try, but I didn't say just because the public supported it it was right.
That is the argument the pro-abortion folks seem to be using.  And using that
reasoning, what the Romans did to Christians was right and throwing virgins
into volcanos should also have been right.  The big argument the pro-abortion
folks seem to use is that since the majority of the American poeople support
abortion, their views whould prevail.  My point is that the majority of the
American people DO NOT support abortion on demand, they support abortion
under certain circumstances, with certain restrictions.

This is a far cry from what NOW, NARL and other groups push.

>For your information, the Nazis gained their power through mostly
>legitimate means: elections.  The result of public choice.  According to
>your argument, that makes it all right.  The fact that a majority of
>people supports a certain viewpoint does not necessarily make it morally
>correct, only politically.

All right, you're getting it.  And the Democrats want to use the same method
to furthur their cause.  And just like the Nazi propaganda machine, the
Democrats have a liberal media to push their cause.

If their view on abortion is so overwhelmingly supported, how come the 
election in Washington on abortion on demand was so close?  In a state
with liberal leanings?

>Further, this offhanded use of comparing someone with the Nazis if one
>doesn't agree with their views rather weakens any argument, in my humble
>opinion.

You didn't mention Communist China, is there a reason for this?  I notice
the media, that supports abortion on demand, seems to object to Chinese
women using abortion to eliminate unwanted female babies.

>For an example, let's try it this way:  "In Nazi Germany, women were 
>essentially treated as child-factories, hausfraus and reserve labor.  I
>think that your wishing to impose undue restrictions on women's right to
>decide about their own bodies and exercise their birth control options
>smacks of Nazi Germany."  (Now, that wasn't difficult, was it.)  How do
>you feel?  Am I justified in comparing you with the Nazis?  Neither do I
>feel that way about your dragging the Nazis into the argument.

Using women as baby factories is wrong, no matter how you slice it.  But
every civilized society has imposed some restriction on what you can
or can't do, and this is no different.  Besides, the basic argument is
what you are carrying.  I remember a doctor in England a while back who
had performed surgery on an unborn fetus.  He  said "without the operation,
the baby would have died", then he corrected his remark to make it a fetus.
In most cases, a woman should have the right to do with their body what they
want, but this isn't (in our belief) a case of doing something to the
woman's body, but something that is done to another human being.  (Isn't it
strange that the same groups that support a woman's right to do what they
want in the case of abortion get so rabid when it comes to using a breast
implant?)

>But then your anti-choice (cut the "pro-life" crap) opinions
>show you're so far around the bend to the right we probably can't engage 
>in any meaningful communication anyway.

Strange, US News and World Report just had an editorial on how you folks
are trying to revise the language to push your causes.  The LA riots were
really rebellions, pro-life is really anti-choice, etc.  Originally this
was a pro-abortion cause, but that didn't sound good, so they changed it to
pro-choice.  Now they want to further change language to push the cause

>Liberal, leftist (at least in the American context), pro-choice, and
>damn proud of it, I remain,

Ah yes, part of a dying breed.
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