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Organization: William Rainey Harper College; Palatine, IL  60067
Date: Sunday, 16 Aug 1992 05:22:30 CST
From: Steve W Hill <SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Episode running times?

Several years ago when I had a CompuServe account there was a file
in the archives that listed the "exact" running times for the
Lionheart DW package, something like this:

The Ambassadors of Death   2:41:13

Does anybody have a file like this, or know ye where I could get one?
It's been many years since I've needed one, and I have need of it again.
Thanks.
From: keeper@deeptht.armory.com (Ron O'Dell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: WTTW info anybody? (Chicago)
Date: 9 Aug 92 23:42:05 GMT
Organization: The Armory

In article <SCHILLER.92Aug6135205@tira.uchicago.edu> schiller@tira.uchicago.edu (Eric Schiller) writes:
>Surely you don't expect WTTW to do anything for Dr. Who
>viewers after their abrupt cancellation
>when they LIED and claimed the SERIES HAD COME TO AN END!
>We missed the entire season 27.

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ...

There was no season 27.  The series >did< come to an end after 26.
From: uhclem@nemesis.UUCP
Date: 16 Aug 92 13:15 CDT
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Sylvester McCoy in person in Dallas
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Nf-From: nemesis.UUCP!uhclem    Aug 16 13:15:00 1992


Surprise!  Instead of the programming originally scheduled for
the Dr. Who Marathon, we had a treat.  Sylvester McCoy appeared in
the Dallas studios of KERA 13 on Saturday, August 15th, and worked the
pledge breaks from 7PM until 11:30. 

Offering an opportunity to brunch with him the next morning ($275 for two),
A personal call-back and talk to you (if time allowed at $120 level), the
limited edition Sylvester McCoy T-shirt, and several other gifts were offered.
He was great, but sadly, the pledging was lackluster.  I think they exceeded
their evening goal but not by much.  There was no advance advertising for
Sylvesters visit, or for the fact that "Tomb" was or, or that the shows
would start three hours earlier than normal.

Sylvester indicated he would be in town for another day or so, and then would
be moving on.  He also indicated that after this trip he would be returning
to start rehersals for a play he is going to be in.  This is the ONLY time
I intentionally taped the pledge breaks, so I will transcribe the stories
he gave shortly.  Seems he crashed the motorcycle in Delta and the Bannerman,
taking a vehicle-mount camera with it.  He also indicated that "Mel" had
been auditioned on a rollercoaster and got the job because she screamed
the loudest.

However, noting that some of the showings of "Tomb" around the country seem
to be scattered at two and three day intervals, perhaps some other "surprise"
visits may be in store in other areas.

Note that KERA abandoned the original programming line-up for this evening,
and showed Time and the Rani (7D), Tomb of the Cybermen (MM), Ghostlight (7Q),
and Resistance of Useless twice (back to back).  The latter is a 27 minute
program.

Sadly, KERA announced during breaks (proudly I might add) that they are
pulling Dr. Who from its 8-year old time slot on Saturday at 10 or 10:30.
Starting in October it will be on Sunday at 13:00.  Replacing it on Saturday
will be The adventures of Robin Hood.

The Sunday timeslot is dreadful in the fall because it will be against many
Dallas Cowboy football games that receive very good ratings normally.
Our very own Coronation Street, if you will.

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From: schiller@tira.uchicago.edu (Eric Schiller)
Subject: Re: WTTW info anybody? (Chicago)
Organization: Center for Information and Language Studies / University of
	Chicago
	<1992Aug09.234205.25810@deeptht.armory.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:55:33 GMT

Sorry, I meant that we stopped after Greatest Show in the Galaxy. Never
got the rest.

Eric
.
From: mrmuon@next15pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The 3 Doctor Who Novels that should be
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:35:11 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <8eoLPB5w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>  
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom "The Valeyard" wilson) writes:
> - Perhaps we should be bugging the author of Penasacata (Christopher  
Bimead)
> - since nothing of that exists at all.
> 
>   I does exist on LP vinyl according to the book.

I think you must be confusing "Penacasata" with some other story. I'm  
pretty sure it's utterly unproduced. What "the Terrestrial Index" says is:

   PENACASATA
   Writer
   Christopher H. Bidmead
   Story; Not availiable.
From: scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: "SHADA" US release {Update}
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:25:06 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems


  I just learned some good news, CBS FOX VIDEO has decided to push up the
release of "SHADA" in America.  It will be released on Oct. 9th along with the
releases of "Tomb of the Cybermen", "The Pertwee Years", "Caves of Androzani"
and "The Claws of Axos".  According to CBS FOX they received may letters and
calls on that specifc title, the only logical thing was to releases with the
batch in October.

  I am afraid to report that the US release of "SHADA" will not have the script
packaged along with the video.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Concerning the Return of Doctor Who
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 07:45:30 GMT

yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) wrote:
>>Also, note that since your original premise of Syl is one of the
>>favorite Doctors etc., is evidently no longer as true as you think according
>>to the recent poll results just posted.
>And by the way, regarding polls, something
>whichc you supposedly don't believe in, post me ALL pols from the last year
>stsaing how people feel about the return of Doctor Who.

I don't think polls say much. However, I know you live by them in backing up
your arguments. That is why I said it. The poll results were posted here
last week, so find it yourself.

>And have you been reading all the posts lately? It does show that
>netters do want to give McCoy a chance as the Doctor!!

So what does that prove? They may be the vocal minority. I don't want to dig
up that grave again, but it falls in line with what I said below.

>> Let me add one thing that Gene Roddenberry said about Star Trek: The hard-cor
>> fans of the show are a VERY SMALL percentage of the viewers that watch the
>> show. Thus the network cares very little about the show's fans. The same goes
>> for Dr. Who. What you/I/we want is meaningless to the TV execs. The public
>> only influences public TV (like PBS) and pay-per-view.

>Excuse me, but people on the Star Trek Nodes would laugh at the above! Star
>Trek was brought back BECAUSE of fan pressure. If there was no fan pressure,
>no ST:TNG. So Tom, being a believer that movements ca do anything to which I
>adhere to, I believe if fans are NOT apathetic, the BBC would have to yield
>if they don't want mud tossed over there name!!

You grossly misunderstand the statement. First, since Gene Roddenberry made the
statement himself, ST fans won't be laughing at me, they would be laughing at
him. That's ST blasphemy, right? Sure fan pressure brought back the show, but
that is about as relevant as: 2+2=4 so bananas are yellow. The statement says
that no matter how faithful the true fans are, they are only a small percent
of the people who view the show. I watch a lot of TV shows, and I am not a
fan of most of them. Some people watch a show because they are moderately
interested or just because there is nothing else on. Networks only care about
the gross number of viewers, not how many are fans or happy about the situation.
Local programming cares about the small people, large networks don't.

I can't see the BBC's reaction to all of the "pressure." Looks like they have
successfully ignored most of it.

>> Tom "Doctor Makr 6"  Wilson

I didn't write this so don't quote me like I did. First, I don't call the
Doctors by Mark #. I don't know anyone who does but you. Second, I would have
probably corrected the error. If you would explain your abbreviations, I
wouldn't have ever brought it up. Look up "acc" in the dictionary and tell me
what you find.

Tom
From: TheMadDoctor@cup.portal.com (Shane Derek Killian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: "SHADA" US release {Update}
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:12:39 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug19.032400.12632@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>

Well what are the possibilities (both feasibly and legally) of EMailing
people the script or posting it on here? For the benefit of us 
unfortunate Americans. (Or can the script be purchased somewhere?)


TheMadDoctor@cup.portal.com | "The more complex the mind, the greater the
(Shane Derek Killian)       | need for the simplicity of play." --Jim Kirk
                            | --------------------------------------------
FIDO: Shane Killian         | "People say I watch too many cartoons.
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                            |                              --Mark McCollum
From: danny@cs.su.oz.au (Danny Yee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Is this group available by email?
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:20:02 GMT
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia

If this group is available by email could someone add
	jevans@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu
to the mailing list?

Danny Yee.
From: dale.clayton@canrem.com (dale clayton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: survival: missing...
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:46:04 GMT
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) wrote:

-> A couple of weeks ago, I posted a message mentioning that I had a
-> transcript of the scene cut from the end of "Survival"...

-> So, sometime in the next few days I'm going to write a stand-alone
-> version of the end of the story.

 Please do!

-> a note from Stephen "Iain Robert Asplin" Manfred saying that he
-> didn't really want to include it in his transcript of the episode.

 I'm actually glad Steve didn't want to include it into his synopses. I
enjoy him writing them based on officialness. However, these separate,
stand alone extras are a nice bonus!

Regards,
Dale Clayton
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: shari@room.Princeton.EDU (Shari L. Landes)
Subject: Re: PBS & SCIFI CHANNELS
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:51:42 GMT

In article <2168.130.uupcb@ssr.com> doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes)  writes:
>
>By the way... did you ever notice how the TARDIS slowly became a LOT
>more reliable? In The Seeds of Death (2nd Doctor), the Doctor wouldn't
>even THINK of trying to use the TARDIS to get the T-Mat repairmen to the
>moon. However, in Logopolis, the Doctor doesn't think TWICE about
>setting the coordinates to move the TARDIS 3 feet to land around the
>other police box! Has the Doctor been tinkering with the TARDIS console
>in his spare time?? Maybe surprise visits to the Gallifreyan TARDIS
>Repair Garage??? <G>

Well, in The Invasion of Time, I half-recall the Doctor negotiating
with Andred to drop a couple of new TARDIS components to the TARDIS
before the Doctor's snuffing....

After then, the TARDIS seemed somewhat stable in its navigational con-
trol, but then, after Armageddon Factor, the Doctor intoduced the
Randomizer... a device that was used 1) to keep the Black Guardian on
his toes in following the Doctor, and 2) to bring the element of
we-don't-know-where-the-!$@#-we're-going-next back into the program.

Harlan Landes
Gates of Dawn BBS
609-426-1618


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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: The Three Doctors comments
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 15:29:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.083742.2351@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>Having bought and watched the EPISODIC version of T3D, I noticed a spoiler.
>At the end of episode 2, Omega appears but doesn't give his name. However,
>his name appears in the credits at the end of the episode. I would think
>this would be a spoiler if the episodes were watched weekly (i.e. way back
>then). However, perhaps this is the first time Omega is ever mentioned, in
>which case the spoiler reveals nothing.
>

Yes, this was the first time Omega was ever mentioned, so that spoiler
meant nothing.

>Also another possible first timer: Doctor 2 mentions jelly babies - is this
>the first time they are mentioned? I didn't think anything of it the first
>time I saw this since I hadn't seen many T. Baker stories.
>
>Tom

I believe this is the first time the Doctor ever mentioned jelly babies,
but not having seen the missing episodes I cannot be certain.
From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: In defence of the 6th doctor
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:17:22 GMT
Organization: Institute of Education, University of London

In <PyZFPB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:


>At this time, I would like to defend the 6th Doctor, the one labelled the most
>violent.  Seems to me that many people have forgotten the lighter moments of
....
Various good deeds of the 6th Doctor edited out
...
>in ToaTl, he was remorseful about Peri's Death, and was always tolerant to
>Mel, warning her where Not to go.

I liked Colin Baker's Doc., but anyone capable of tolerating Bonnie Langford
either deserves a pat on the back or a slap in the face.

Ian J Davenport  MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY  ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl

  "Gee! A real space lab?" - Unnamed Tower records sales assistant
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Concerning the Return of Doctor Who
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:06:17 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada


  Well I know i am going to get a hockey man mad , but I must defend my
convictions.
   I look forward to the day that Doctor Who returns to air, and I hope most
probably with Sylvester and Sophie back on screen.  Recently, the show has
received less than adequate treatment from the BBC.  Thanks to legislation,
the BBC did decide to contract out Doctor Who.  However thanks to the upper
echelons, the issue of giving the show over has now dragged for 3 years.
   I wish to see S&S return as the tradition of 2 doctors a decade was
violated in the 1980's.  A new production team and a new script editor might
help.  Hence let's hopefully say goodbye to JNT and Cartmel.
   Whoever came up with the 7 Doctors idea came up with a good one.  2 actors
need to be found for the 1st and 2nd Doctors' role which is the only problem I
see.

Have A Nice Day.

Dave Shariff Yadallee
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!
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From: dittman@skitzo.dseg.ti.com (Eric Dittman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: "Tomb" on KERA 13 August 15th
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:03:32 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

In article <1992Aug18.122540.7645@digi.lonestar.org>, jtisdel@digi.lonestar.org (J. Michael Tisdel) writes:
> Other info on this past weekend's "Tomb" extravaganza.  KERA showed _Tomb_
> after _Time and the Rani_.  They then followed this with _Ghostlight_ and
> then _Resistance is Useless_.  Next week, they will resume with _Revenge
> of the Cybermen_.

They followed RiU with another showing of RiU.  I really wish they'd shown
TofC again without the interruptions.

> When the Program Director, Mike Some-such-or-other, introduced Sylvester

Mike Seymour.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: bcr@cernapo (Bill Riemers)
Subject: The Doctor changing his own history...
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:28:20 GMT

I find it virtually impossable to coinside all the events
with the Earth's history together...  For example, in
"The Arc" (William Hartnell), they were supposidly
the last survivors after the Earth fell into the sun.
However, in "Frontieros" (Peter Davison) they were
the last survivors after the Earth was absorbed by
the sun...  As I see it there are only three ways
to solve such difficulties:
  1) The Doctor has somehow changed his own history.
  2) The writters of the conflicting episodes never
     saw the ones they were conflicting with.
     (However, this isn't much fun.)
  3) Try to tackle each difficulty one at a time
     and find some way to explain them as consistent.
     (Too much work for me.)

So, how could the Doctor have changed his own history?
  1) On many occasions the Doctor has left the universe
     completely, purhaps he didn't return to quite the
     same one he left.
  2) On one occasion the Doctor managed to accidently
     slip himself into a parallel universe without
     ever being sure of what he did.  So, maybe he
     settled for just finding one close to the original
     while trying to find his way back.
  3) On numerous occasions the Doctor has been pulled
     out of his natural time stream.  This has to have
     some sort of adverse effects.

What is the problem with this idea that has been bugging
me?  It is the obvious and detailed plans that the 
Doctor must have made as William Hartnell still existing
unmodified when he gets around to pulling them off as
Sylvester McCoy.  You would expect he would at least
find a few cases of "That isn't quite the way I remember
leaving things..."

Anyone have ideas on how I can make this idea fit better,
or why I should trash it?

                            Bill
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Sophie Aldred
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 05:17:22 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada


Having seen the Sophie Aldred Mythmakers Videotape, I must say that I am
impressed with her.  Hopefully, she would be allowed to return to the show.
With N. Briggs doing the interview, her charm does come across very well.
I wouldn't mind meeting her at a convention.
For furthur details, see the video.


Dave Shariff Yadallee
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!
cowboy (n): A 20th Century extension of  the neanderthal caveman.
From: mrmuon@next15pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Concerning the Return of Doctor Who
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:48:02 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <24904@castle.ed.ac.uk> eoghanni@castle.ed.ac.uk (Eoghann  
Irving) writes:
> 	What all this means is that while most of the BBC are keen to
> get the programme back on air, there is so much red tape nothing is
> likely to happen. 
> 	
> 		THE BBC, INSANITY AT IT'S BEST

"I wanted to go into programme planning but unfortunately I have a  
degree."
         - from a "Monty Python's Flying Circus" sketch
From: eoghanni@castle.ed.ac.uk (Eoghann Irving)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Concerning the Return of Doctor Who
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:05:13 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Aug16.212134.7087@ioe.ac.uk> teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT) writes:

>Bitching aside, a more plausible possibility is to get the BBC2 drama dept.
>to make DW. I may be wrong on this, but do they not handle their own 
>(minority) programs separately from BBC1? BBC2 shows a much more receptive
>attitude to SF in general, with recent repeats of DW, virtually solid STTNG
>for the last couple of years, reshowing all(?) of ST:TOS this week, and of
>course producing what I think is the only BBC SF series currently in prodn.,
>Red Dwarf. My impression is that it is the controllers of the respective
>channels who decide their content, and I would bet that the BBC2 controller
>(name escapes me at the moment) would be pro-producing DW.

	Well Alan Yentob (Controller of BBC2) has said that he is
interested in showing a home grown SF series, bhut there are no definate
plans. Unfortunately he cannot touch Doctor Who. The decision to make
that must come from the head of the Drama Department Peter Cregreen
(sp??). He has said in the past that he wants Doctor Who to come back,
but seems reluctant to do anything without Jonathan Powell's (Controller
of BBC1) backing, and Powell apparently HATES Doctor Who.
	What all this means is that while most of the BBC are keen to
get the programme back on air, there is so much red tape nothing is
likely to happen. 
	
		THE BBC, INSANITY AT IT'S BEST

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