HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hlagos@malloco.ing.puc.cl (Hector Lagos Arevalo, DF)
Subject: Re: Any IPMS members over there ?
Reply-To: hlagos@malloco.ing.puc.cl
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:01:05 GMT

In article 5987@nntp.hut.fi, c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen) writes:
>Like the subject said, are there any (certainly there are, but where ?) IPMS 
>members here among the users ?
>
>Regards,
>IPMS-Finland member #Fi-889
>
>
>
>
>  ++ Tuomas Viljanen                     ++ For a battle like Crecy, you do  ++
>  ++ Lahderanta 20 A 19                  ++ not need a military genius like  ++
>  ++ SF-02720 Espoo 72 FINLAND           ++ Edward III. All you need is an   ++
>  ++ 358-0-592175 or c34657b@saha.hut.fi ++ idiot like the Duke of Alencon.  ++

Yup! I'm IPMS member here at Santiago, Chile.

- Hector.





Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com
Subject: Re: Politically Correct Models
Followup-To: Politically Correct Models
Originator: msprague@superior
Organization: Xerox
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:51:58 GMT

Whew!!  I never expected my original post to carry this far.  All I really
wanted to do was to express my displeasure in finding that the swastika
decals in a kit I purchased had been destroyed.

I think in general, we mostly feel the same, in that we are attempting to
accurately model a piece of history.  Over all, I think Rafael Rodriguez,
(the fellow from Mexico) summed it all up pretty well.

			~ Mike  (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com)
From: gse@ida.liu.se (Goran Sedvall)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Politically Correct Models
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:53:07 GMT
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden

edh117a@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr R. Rodriguez) writes:

>Ideally, history should be concerned with truth. If somebody
>erases the swastikas form the tail of a Bf-109 or from the
>sides of a P-51, it won't change the historic fact that these
>planes flew with swastikas on them.

I agree compleatly. I belive the origin reason for this discussion
depend on people who are not involved in plastic modelling at all.
They have seen the swasticas on the box art and think these boxes
are for children. They have raised their voices for forbidden swasticas
and to many people (not involved in modelling) agreed.
Non of these people know anything about modelling and in my
opinion should we ingore these people.

>Therefore, I think that removing swastikas from an airplane
>tank or ship that in real fact carried them (or to add them
>to subjects that didn't) is paramount to trying to change
>history and telling people that WWII never happened or 
>that the Germans never won a battle during that conflict
>(Hollywood's standard message).

I reccogize some of this in the book 1984...

>Of course these opinions are only mine.

>Rafael Rodriguez
>V.C.A.H. Ltd. Australia
>rrg@vcah.EDU.AU

BTW, I would like to mention the fact that many companys want licens
monney for the decalsheet in the kitbox. There was an article about
it in Fine Scale Modelling for a while ago. That's more serious, isn't 
it?

Goran
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: kerly@bnr.ca (David Kerlovich)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Info using optical fibre and small scale lighting
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:01:44 GMT
Reply-To: jmacmill@bnr.ca (John MacMillan)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

I am new to this news group so forgive me if there happened to be a recent
thread on my request.

I have been experimenting with optical fibre and LEDs in models in an effort
to get some "way cool" effects in some Star Trek ships.

I am wondering if anyone has experience in doing this. I'd like to discuss
any methods/materials you have used. Do you know of any books or magazine
articles dealing with this?

(613) 763-4186
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Early 80's Honda Model Kits?
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:31:18 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: peterco@eff.org's message of Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:19:09 GMT

>>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:19:09 GMT, peterco@eff.org (Peter Cohen) said:

peterco> What are your suggestions for tracking early 80's Honda kits?
peterco> I know Tamiya has a couple still in circulation.  What I'm
peterco> really looking for is a model of an 80-83 Civic.

On the subject of hard to find Hondas, does anyone know if an 89 or
lower kit of the Acura Integra exists...



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Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: edhresko@hresko.EOS.NCSU.EDU (ERIC DAVID HRESKO)
Subject: Re: Really spiffy (tm) zimmerit metholds?
Originator: edhresko@c00551-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: edhresko@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: Techno-Geeks Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:41:28 GMT


	I have seen micro-weld and other similar stuff spread on the plastic, 
and then scribing the plastic itself...
-- 


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Newsgroups: rec.models.scale,alt.models
From: zoelen@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl
Subject: Re: Swastikas 
Organization: Leiden University Faculty of Social Sciences
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:42:29 +0100

In article <urf.719043838@sw2001>, urf@icl.se (Urban F) writes:
> msprague@superior.mcwbst311b (Mike Sprague) writes:
> 
>>Not that I'm a neo-Nazi or anything, :-) but when I build a model, I
>>expect it to to look like the subject, even if a decal is not exactly
>>"politically correct."
> 
> The problem is, that in Germany swastikas are actually forbidden. As
> it is impractical to market versions of the same kit, most have them
> deleted altogether.
> 
> I think that the German rules are contrary to EC law, just as they
> weren't allowed to forbid bacon- or cherry-flavoured beer, this
> appears to be a trade restriction. However, I don't think we will
> see it lifted any time soon, as the one to suggested it will likely
> be considered a Nazi. And also, we face the risk that swastikas will
> be forbidden in all EC.
> 
> We non-nazis who want to build historically accurate models just have
> to rely on after market decals.
> --
>  Urban Fredriksson   urf@icl.se  (n.g.u.fredriksson.swe2001@oasis.icl.co.uk)

maybe you can ask someone in belgium... i know you can buy the
things in Antwerpen, the flemish right wing still symphatises with
nazi germany ideas....
ad van zoelen, leiden, holland
From: loseke@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Dave Loseke)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: looking for a KC-135 Stratotanker
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:08:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Oct12.160813.14487
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

rmk@baal.unh.edu (Robert M. Kenney) writes:



>	I've been looking for a plastic (Revell?) model of this beastie for
>   my father, and haven't met with any success.  It seems that they've been
>   out of production for a while now, so all I can hope for is one that's
>   been stashed somewhere for reasons unknown.

>	Anybody remember seeing one lately?  Still in the box, of course.
>-- 
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>Kingsbury Hall, UNH


I believe that someone is getting ready to release a 1/72 version of this
(my guess is AMT but I don't know for sure).  On the cover of the 1993
Squadron Shop catalog, they show a 1/72 KC135 as "The model of the year".
I haven't seen this released yet, nor do I have the 1993 catalog.

Dave Loseke
Embedded Systems Lab
Dept. of Comp. Science
University of Illinois - Urbana
loseke@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: yves@speedy.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yves Vidal)
Subject: Re: Politically Correct Models 
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Distribution: rec.models.scale
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:31:44 GMT

In article <13OCT199220375024@rosie.uh.edu> st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver) writes:
>
>Someone mentioned political correctness in models.  Let me ask you folks a
>question.  What do you do with those swastikas and things you find that
>may offend people when placed on models?  I mean if you live in Europe and
>happen to be building a model of the Bismarck and want to make it as accurate
>as possible, do you hedge and not put that huge swastika on the bow?
>
>The more I build models and the more I hear about this political correctness
>thing, the more I am hesitant about building and displaying stuff that offends

Oliver, 
I can talk as an European, regarding this matter. I have seen in the past
models of the Bismark (1/100) with both Svastika cross on the bow and 
without it. I have never heard of any complaints, due to the fact that
modelers accurately detail their masterpieces. Even if people suffered, 
I guess it is now old enough to have no impact on the new and young 
generations. 
Maybe, if a veteran was there on the pond, watching this kind of model,
would he have some conflicting feelings about the model and the builder ?
But, I am pretty sure, the pleasure of admiring a nice model would 
overcome the bad feelings about old and painful experiences.

Most of the people, are like young children in front of models, 
nicely displayed or sailing on the pond; and usually all the angers
and borders are suddenly abolished thanks to the magic of modelling.

Hope this help.
Yves




Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: s325@brems.ii.uib.no (Oyvind Brusevold)
Subject: Re: Liberty shop model
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 08:11:06 GMT

In article <8OCT199223224257@rosie.uh.edu>, st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver) writes:
|> 
|> Is this model for static display or radio control? ......
|>

You're right. It's som information missing in my article! Ok. The model is for static
display. I'm really not very much into RC, well, at least, not yet...
|> 
|> If what you are talking about is a "classic" sailing vessel, then I can't give
|> any advice.  I don't know the first thing about rigging (tying them correctly 
|> and accurately is hellacious from what I hear) and very little about planking. 
|> Besides, I've only worked with balsa, basswood and mahoganey.  I couldn't begin 
|> to tell you about the different properties of the many different kinds of wood 
|> that ship builders use.  
|> 
It is a "classic" vessel , but I think, not i the context you are thinking of. Well,
honestly, I don't know all the vocabulary to explain the ship. It is rigget much
like the famous "Colin Archer", which was used as a rescue-vessel at the beginning of
this century. Well, the material is basically balsa. Details, such as the companionway
etc. are of som other material (wooden). And it has beautiful nice little details of
brass, and . . . I spent the first week just looking at the picture on the box, all the
little details, figuring out what goes where,etc. 

Well, I understand that it's not so easy giving this kind of help over the net. So
i'll get back with more spesific questions later. Thanks for replying!

|> Still, I want to learn more about wooden ship building.  It sounds fascinating.
|> Now, if only I had the time, then I would build to my hearts content!

Mee too!

|> 
|> Oliver
|> st1ec@rosie.uh.edu
|> > 
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Dep. of informatics, University of Bergen, NORWAY
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: boltz@cse.uta.edu (David Boltz)
Subject: Garden Railroading
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:21:47 GMT
From: mdlouie@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: looking for anime models
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:14:45 GMT
Reply-To: mdlouie@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

Looking for anime models from Mospeada and Dominion.  In specific, the Armo
Fighter put out by, I believe, Imai.  Let me know if you have one or have 
some leads for me.  Thanks, in advance.
---
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Univ. of Texas at Austin   
mdlouie@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: HELP! SdKfz 11/SdKfz 251 tracks
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:16:18 GMT
Organization: US WEST Communications, Inc. -- Denver, CO

In article <1992Oct15.082142.19433@ida.liu.se>, gse@ida.liu.se (Goran Sedvall) writes:
> bruceb@mpd.tandem.com (Bruce Burden) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> >	Silly me, I bought a model of a SdKfz 11 and was surprised/delighted
> >     to note that the model was sent with Model Kasten tracks. However, 
> >     after looking at the components, I realized that I hadn't the slightest
> >     idea how these tracks are assembled. Does some kind soul have an old
> >     set of instructions that could be sent to me? (the SdKfz 251 was
> >     based on the SdKfz 11 chassis, so the tracks are the same).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >							Thanks,
> >								Bruce
> 
> 
> If the tracks are cast in resin, which I suspect, I usually heat
> the parts in hot water or with a hairdrier and form the tracks
> to the requiered shape. Then I glue the parts together and on
> the wheels. It is very easy, but don't heat the parts over open
> flames.
> Goran

Kasten track is injection-molded. And I believe that the SdKfz 251 set is
more complex than just fitting the individual links together. There are 
rubber blocks that go on, as well? I'll check to see if someone around here
has done that track recently, and would let me Xerox the instructions to
send you.

Kasten is good stuff, but almost always has sinkholes. You might as well start
filling and sanding now... :-)

Randy
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From: gse@ida.liu.se (Goran Sedvall)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Really spiffy (tm) zimmerit metholds?
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:29:23 GMT
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden

bruceb@mpd.tandem.com (Bruce Burden) writes:



>	I am looking to zimmerit a JagdPanther, and would like comments
>    from netland what really spiffy(tm) methods duplicate the zimmerit.
>    Besides the metal "comb" and the "smear it on, scribe it later"
>    methods, what works for you?



>							Thanks,
>								Bruce


I prefer to  use a pyrogravyr-set for finer zimerit and 
Milliput expoxy clay for rougher zimmerit. Apply a thin
coat of modelling clay and press the pattern with a small
screwdriver. Work with small areas at the same time.

Goran
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Star wars models
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:30:51
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: phm@uw-isdl.ee.washington.edu's message of 12 Oct 92 17:55:50 GMT

>>>>> On 12 Oct 92 17:55:50 GMT, phm@uw-isdl.ee.washington.edu (Pierr-Henry Marbot) said:
phm> Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.175550.15919

phm> I have posted this article already, but did not see it appear.

phm> I am looking for models of the small star wars attack planes and the one
phm> of darf wader (looks like an inversed Y). The other one would be like this

phm> 	|	|
phm> 	|	|
phm> 	|---0---|
phm> 	|	|
phm> 	|	|

phm> The models can be for static or really working, it does not matter.
phm> If anyone knows of a company making a kit of one of these, it sure would
phm> help !

MPC/ERTL made a series of kits. Some have been re-released and are
still available. Some are not, and you will have to look at toy shows
and such to find them. Here is a complete list:

Millennium Falcon (available in 2 versions. Original release had
 lights for the inside of the kit to simulate engine and cockpit
 lights.  Also the window parts were molded in clear plastic. Later
 releases had dark clear windows, and the lights are omitted.)
Darth Vader's TIE Fighter
Darth Vader bust  (Needed batteries to make his eyes glow. When you
 press on his head he makes a "breathing noise")
Darth Vader figure (original plactic kit)
X-Wing (Original release)
R2-D2 figure
C-3PO figure
Slave-I
Stardestroyer
Snowspeeder
AT-AT
A-Wing (Snap together kit)
Y-Wing (Snap together kit)
B-Wing (Snap together kit) ------------------------+ These 3 kits are also
X-Wing (Snap together kit. Smaller then above kit) | available together in 
TIE Interceptor (Snap together kit) ---------------+ a box set.
AT-ST (Snap together kit)
Speederbike
Shuttle Tydirium
Yoda's House (Diorama)
Jabba's Throne Room (Diorama)
Hoth Trench Battle Scene (Diorama)
Hoth Rebel Base (Diorama)

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From: dauer@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (David Auer)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: OUT-OF-PRODUCTION KITS
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:17:57 GMT
Reply-To: dauer@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (David Auer)
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR Corporate Logistics Division, Dayton Ohio

Greetings.  This is my first posting to the net so please 
bear with me.

I'm trying to locate two out-of-production kits.  They are:


1)  KIT:  Space Shuttle With Launch Complex
    SCALE:  1/144 (I think)
    MFG:  Revell

    This kit was first released in the early to mid 1980's
    at a price of around $45.  I believe it was actually
    comprised of two other space shuttle kits -- Space
    Shuttle with External Tank and Boosters (still produced)
    and Space Shuttle Launch Complex (no shuttle included,
    also no longer produced).
    
    I don't think this kit has been out-of-production very
    long; it was available at a local Toys "R" Us just last 
    year.  I have located kits of the stand-alone launch 
    complex but I would prefer to purchase the combination
    of both shuttle and launch complex. 


2)  KIT:  AC130 Hercules Gunship (A or H?)
    SCALE:  1/48
    MFG:  Testors

    This kit was first released around 1986; I purchased its
    sister kit, C130E/H Transport, for around $27.  Testors also
    produced the gunship in 1/72 scale.  The 1/72 gunship seemed
    to have been produced in far greater numbers than the 1/48
    version.

    A dealer in California informed me that Testors was getting
    ready to re-release this kit.  He was unsure of the variant
    (either A or H).  Has anyone heard similar news?


The addresses and/or phone numbers of retailers or individuals
in possession of these kits (and willing to part with them, of
course) will be greatly appreciated.

I am also corresponding with several kit collectors listed in
FSM magazine.


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From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:59:24 GMT
Subject: License Required ?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com

	Hi folks,

	Does anyone know if you need a license to build a scale replica
	of a car ? eg. me building a 1/8th scale XJ-220.

	Thanks in advance for any help :-}


	Cheers,


		RIK


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Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: peterco@eff.org (Peter Cohen)
Subject: Re: Politically Correct Models
Originator: peterco@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:40:06 GMT

Hell.  If I'm building a B-17 model, and I want to stick a decal of a
leggy redhead on the side of it, I'll goddamn well do that, regardless of
what the PC crowd think.  Likewise for a bloody swastika on the side the
Bismarck.

ACtually, you raise a good point with the swastika.  The term "political
correctitude" is a marxist phrase that was bandied about by the Nazi's
quite extensively in the 20's...

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Newsgroups: rec.models.scale,alt.models
From: crusader@lut.fi (Mikko Hy|kki)
Subject: Re: Swastikas 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:46:20 GMT
Disclaimer: You can't bring me down!
	<1992Oct15.100606.11418@waikato.ac.nz>
Organization: Pikametallimiehet ( Speed Metal Men ), Finland

In article <1992Oct15.100606.11418@waikato.ac.nz> matt@waikato.ac.nz writes:

  Nazi occupation.  Interestingly, the swastikas don't seem to bother them,
  but they say if kits with swastikas were sold in Europe someone would break
  into the shop and trash the place.  I don't know about this last bit; they've 
Well, kits with swastikas are sold in Finland and I haven't heard of anyone
trashing kit stores because of it. 

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Newsgroups: rec.models.scale,alt.models
From: crusader@lut.fi (Mikko Hy|kki)
Subject: Re: Swastikas 
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:50:11 GMT
Disclaimer: You can't bring me down!
	<1992Oct15.100606.11418@waikato.ac.nz>
	<CRUSADER.92Oct15184620@juhani.it.lut.fi>
	<1992Oct15.223426.4173@daimi.aau.dk>
Organization: Pikametallimiehet ( Speed Metal Men ), Finland

In article <1992Oct15.223426.4173@daimi.aau.dk> lhp@daimi.aau.dk (Lasse Hiller|e Petersen) writes:

   Finland and swastikas -- this reminds me: didn't Finland use swastikas
   (dark blue, on a white circular background) as national insignia until after
   WW II?

Yup.

   I remember, many years ago, when I was puzzled to see an American airplane
   (A Curtiss?) with swastikas, in a catalog.

   I guess Finland stopped using this because of the nazis?
   How did the swastika come into use in Finland as a national symbol?

It was the symbol of Count XXXX ( swedish ), who gave the Finnish AF their
first airplane.

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