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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:05:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.171654.27356@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
 
>In article <jjonsson.39@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>, jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>> The only reason Charles is getting more points than Karl Malone is that
>> Stockton isn't on the floor. I guarantee when those two complimentary
>> players step on the floor, Karl will outshine Sir Charlie. IMHO Charles
>> Barkley is an embarrasment when he's out there behaving like the DT was in
>> trouble or something. Give it a rest Charles.
>
>In other words, the only reason Karl Malone is an All-Star is because of
>John Stockton, and if Karl Malone was on any other team he would be nothing
>more than an average player.  While Charles on the other hand, is one of the
>best on the planet whether he plays with the DREAM TEAM or along side Manute
>Bol and Charles Shackeleford.  Guess that put the Barkley vs Malone debate
>to rest, huh?
>
>What's that?  Oh now you want to debate Barkley vs Malone and Stockton:-)?
 
Aw chit! You mean that Dave and Ed wasted last summer away by arguing
Isiah vs Stockton, when it should have been Isiah vs Malone & Stockton????
 
:)
 
--Eric
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: Here's one for U (1986 World Championships)
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:18:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.203119.27436@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>>I may be confused, but I thought this was the World *University* Games team
>>for 1986.
>
>Yes, you are.  Dazed and confused.

Huh?  Wha -- what happened?  Where am I?

>It was the World Cup or World Champiosnhip or whatever.  If you had looked
>closely you'd have seen that the USSR team featured Sabonis, Marciulionis,
>Volkov, etc.

Looked closely at what?  The original article mentioned that Sabonis and
Volkov played for the USSR.  In 1986 Volkov was 22 years old.  I don't know
how old Sabonis is, but I think he's about the same.  For all I know (not
much, admittedly) those guys could have been eligible for the World University
Games in '86.

But I'll accept your statement that it was the World Championship.

So the question remains:  how did the US win?  It couldn't have been the
coaching.  Wasn't Lute Olsen the coach of that team?
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 1988 "Dream" (nightmare) Team
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:33:10 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

I have a buddy who is a John Thompson hater, and he uses the 1988 team
as an example of how bad a coach he was. Can anyone provide me with any 
decent counterarguments?

For example, the 1990 Goodwill team was mentioned. How about the 1989 
Pan Am team coached be coach K?

Thanks,
Ron
From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: DALLAS makes offer to Stanley Roberts!!!!
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:39:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Jul24.163959.21965
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul24.153805.8511@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>If Magic signs Roberts, they can't trade him until at least next year.
>The offer that Dallas has made has a no trade clause in the first
>year!

Not quite true, Roberts has the right to waive that clause if he chooses to.
In addition, if Roberts is willing to waive the no-trade clause, the Magic
can't trade him without his approval.

Tom@Orlando
From: yoo@well.sf.ca.us (Young-Kyu Yoo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Warriors--Bulls
Date: 27 Jul 92 05:52:32 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


>     Jordan has not played very well against the Warriors (for some
>mysterious reasons).  Statistics showed that Jordan averaged just over
>20 points playing against the Warriors, and less than 20 while playing
>at Oakland, both of those are lowest among all the NBA teams.

Jordan broke his foot at the Oakland Coliseum in a game against the
Warriors.  A pall fell over his performances in the Coliseum after that
incident.  Jordan admits that he does feel some reservations when he
plays in Oakland.  He also gave Mitch Richmond (now with the Kings) a
lot of credit for defending him as well as anyone does in the NBA.
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: DALLAS makes offer to Stanley Roberts!!!! + Bullets/Spurs
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:37:30 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Jul24.172710.114@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>,
gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney) writes:
|>From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
|>Subject: Re: DALLAS makes offer to Stanley Roberts!!!! + Bullets/Spurs
|>Date: 24 Jul 92 17:27:10 GMT
|>
|>In article <1992Jul24.112424.19476@crd.ge.com> hanley@fyi.crd.ge.com
(Christopher W Hanley) writes:
|>>

[ Big boy Roberts stuff deleted]

|>
|>Just my $0.02 worth on how San Antonio could really improve.
|>
|>I didn't see much of Washington play, but who is Larry Stewart.  Is he
                                 
He is a SF/PF for the Bullets. He was a rookie free agent last year from
I think Coppin State.  He got a lot of minutes for a rookie and deserved
them. He started out strong averaging like 12ppg, but tailed off a little
once teams started taking him a wee bit more seriously the second time 
'round. I think that he made the all rookie team, but he's not the type
of player you'd expect to dominate a game. Hopefully he'll keep on 
improving, at least since Guggs won't be playing here this year.

Ron
From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Final Score: 102-70 (Re: USA/Croatia time ? )
Date: 28 Jul 1992 12:06:49 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I missed the beginning of the Croatia game.  Has the DT been losing in any of
their games so far?  2-0?  If not, there could be a small victory waiting out
there for some team.  I got the feeling against Angola that we should have
given them Malone and Jordan for the second half just to even things up a bit!

Rick
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: yoo@well.sf.ca.us (Young-Kyu Yoo)
Subject: Question on amateurism
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:06:22 GMT



I read a posting in this newsgroup that stated that the concept of
"amateurism" was invented by elitist Englishmen who didn't want to
compete with the working class on the playing fields.

Could anyone point me to books or articles documenting this fact?
From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 1990 Goodwill Games team (explain this one to me)
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:44:49 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <333@wavefront.wti.com> ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj) writes:
>In article <Bs2EtE.L23@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>
>>
>
>Reason: They didn't have the Shaq-man. How could they have missed him
>out? Didn't he average 25+ pts, 15+ rebs, 5+ blocks or something 
>that season?
>-- 
>--
>Ravi N. Raj					ravi@wti.com


He was invited to tryout, but declined to play. Because of this rejection, 
he was not considered for the Dream Team.

					       Rick Milleman
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Sixers Camp News?
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:48:50 GMT

In article <BruL2p.IuE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>	Listen -- put it this way -- with Hornacek starting or not, it's going
>	to make no difference.  Each of Dawkins, Hawkins, and Hornacek are each
>	going to play 30+ minutes a game.
>	Hornacek's had experience coming off of the 
>	bench, so it would seem better for team chemistry if he did.

Ahhhh  It's team chmistry we're talking about.  Then your problem
isn't who starts, it's who's in at crunch time.  Tie score, 2 minutes
left, game's on the line, and Hawkins is on the bench.  How's he going
to take that, or is he?  That's your real problem - the points the
same, however.  There is only room enough for 2 "starting" (whatever
you want to call it) guards on a team, and I imagine Jeff will be one
of them.  If, as you say, Hawkins/Dawkins might have a problem with
that, then there will probably be problems.

Go back to Rambis "starting" for the Lakers (but playing 10-15 minutes),
he knew his role.  However, take the Suns with Chambers starting, but
Majerle in at the end of every game.  Tom still got his 30+ minutes (and
his 30+ shots), but hated it and it effected his play.  Well see how it
works out in Philly...
From: Richard.S.Miyara@dartmouth.edu (Richard S. Miyara)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bird plays foolish in game 1 of olympics
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:58:08 GMT
 <1992Jul28.023548.29057@unx.ucc.okstate.edu>  
 <1992Jul28.190923.208@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Jul28.190923.208@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>
gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney) writes:

> P.S.
> 	Bird is there because, out of the three superstars (Magic, Jordan).
> Bird probably has a larger following.  He's not there to play hard, just


I disagree with this last statement. Larry was convinced to play in the
Olympics BY Magic, Jordan, and Dave Gavitt, according to the Boston
media.  He had decided NOT to participate, but was convinced by
primarily Magic.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Boston Bias again (Re: Olympic hoops referees)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 14:38:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul30.172109.7292@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>Meeks' 6th lie: article #6 post-stop.
>
>In article <1992Jul30.132738.23878@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>Hmm...  "giving preferential treatment to superstars" or "Jordan/Bird/Magic
>>and all the other superstars" is the same as "Boston"????  Ed, where is the
>>relation here???  
>The relation is that the Celts has a superstar, the Bulls has one,
>the Lakers had one. Many other teams don't have one. Many other teams haven't
>been powerhouse/celebrity teams either.

??Many other teams don't have one??  Well, Most teams have a superstar type
player.  Not of the Magic/Bird/Jordan caliber, but up there.  
>
>However, even IF (big if) you are right, every team gets the same amount of
>favoritism at home,  it's still not the same. The Celtics get more than 

Hmm.. Ed Lor Admission 1:
"every team gets the same amount of favoritism at home"
I guess the argument is now over, you agree with us finally.  And don't give
me any complaints, as this is a clear cut admission according to the "Ed Lor
rules of reading posts".  And no wimp outs by redefining favoritism. 
God, doesn't it hurt to hear your same arguments thrown back at you...
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Are Da Bulls Dying?
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:52:19 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.

In article <1992Jul27.160545.17606@cis.ohio-state.edu> cantor@skink.cis.ohio-state.edu (scott eric cantor) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.152833.27361@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>
>>I agree.  The Knicks are about the only team I worry about, but I still think
>>that Cartwright plays Ewing just well enough for the Bulls to move past them.
>>As for the Cavaliers, I haven't worried about them before, and I'm not 
>>worrying about them now.
>>
>
>	That's just the way I prefer it.  One of these days you're not going to
>worry about it, and that's when it's gonna happen.  Frankly I didn't think the
>Cavs could take the Bulls to six games last season.  I was wrong.  So are you.
>
>	|			Scott <Crazy Diamond> Cantor	|

I was wrong!  I stand corrected!  The proof has been given to us!  The Cavs 
will win the NBA Championship next year by first pasting the Bulls in the 
Eastern Conference Finals and then demolishing the Blazers/Suns in the 
Championship series!  You heard it here, from Scott <Crazy Diamond> Cantor, 
first!!!!!  

Don't forget to call your local bookie (or me, if you want to make a
REALLY BIG bet) ;^)

Oh, BTW, I don't worry about Miami or Charlotte, either! 

You know what that means...

-- 
|_ o_O              Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
|W   |\               Bell Northern Research, Inc.              _        O
|   / \                       Heels in 93!                     / |_      |\
|        before...            Bulls in 93!           after... |   W  o  /|
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: Warriors--Bulls
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 23:05:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.213631.29164@menudo.uh.edu> st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>In article <92206.110910IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer) writes:
>>
>>  I was going to post all the reasons why the Warriors
>>couldn't beat the Bulls, then remembered that they've
>>split the last two season series.  How?
>>
>>  Specifically, who guards Jordan; and if it's Owens,
>>who guards Pippen?  Mullin? :)
>
>     Jordan has not played very well against the Warriors (for some
>mysterious reasons).  Statistics showed that Jordan averaged just over
>20 points playing against the Warriors, and less than 20 while playing
>at Oakland, both of those are lowest among all the NBA teams.
>
>Edward Hui

Actually, before this year, Mitch Richmond drew the job of guarding Jordan.
He obviously did an excellent job.  Jordan was quoted as saying that
Richmond, among all the players in the league, reminded him of himself.
He further stated that Richmond was one of the best, if not the best,
at guarding him.  When Richmond was traded to the Kings for Owens, Jordan
was quoted as saying that he could not believe that someone of Richmond's
talent would be traded for an unproven rookie.

This year, the Warriors beat the Bulls early in the season at Chicago.
Later, the Bulls played the Warriors in Oakland and had little trouble
beating them.  Jordan had one of his best games against the Warriors.
Look for Jordan to have little trouble scoring against the Warriors now
that Richmond is gone.

A poll for netters out there: Who do you think guards Jordan best?

Terry Wong
From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Kite returns to Disneyworld - Trade is void
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:30:38 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Jul20.215429.17911@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>
>
>The trade that sent Greg Kite to Houston in exchange for some draft
>picks has been voided by the Rockets. The reason being that Kite
>failed to pass the Rockets' physical (which was a clause in the trade
>BTW).
>
>So, Kite is once again on the Magic roster and Houston owns its draft
>picks.
>
>    --mack
>

What was the reason that Kite failed the physical? Knees? Back? What?

I would think that this info would have been included in your post....


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Bit by bit
Keywords: nn
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:57:34 GMT

robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese) writes:
>Yes I am new to rec.sport.basketball.pro.  If I am not follow proper 
>netiquette or some rules to this subject I apologize.  

Somebody better drag out the old Net Rules And Code Of Behaviour
because some of these rookies, sadly, are just "not follow".

Here are just a few of the most important rules and standards.  They
may seem strange at first, but once you get used to them you will enjoy
RSBP all the more:

1. Danny Ainge bit Sonny Rollins.
2. Michael Jordon is Gad.
3. BLAZERZ R00LZ!!!!
4. The Celtics get all the calls from the officials.
5. The Woofing Theorem:  ``The number of playoff games a team wins is
   inversely proportional to the number of exclamation points and upper-
   case words in articles posted by the team's fans.''  [J. Oliver, ca. 89]

That should get you started.


--Gidi



Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Help ME Please!!!!!!!!!!!\
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:27:36 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul22.124355.14065@husc3.harvard.edu> vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.231512.21338@lsil.com>, twright@smcl415.smkt (Tom Wright) writes:
>> In article 9978@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au, s1073200@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (P.Jackson-Highlander) writes:
>>>
>>>HI I need some help.
>>>
>>>    Is Micheal JOrdan playing baseball???? If so who for and how is he going??
>>>
>>>
>>>    Thanks for your replies in advance!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>    Paul
>>>    Australia
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ---
>> No way!! You are probably thinkin of Ricky Jordan of the Phillies. 
>> 
>> Tom Wright 
>> twright@lsil.com
>
>Yeah... THE Michael Jordan (who, by the way, had a beautiful missed dunk
>in the series against New York, as we all know!) DOESN'T play baseball.
>His best sport outside of basketball is golf (and he's not that bad).

Actually, the Michael Jordan of the Chicago Bulls, etc..  was quite a 
talented baseball player in high school, much more so than basketball.
He thought originally he was going to try and go pro, and I think I remember
that he was either drafted or had some scouts look at him.  He has been asked
about it at times and has ???jokingly??? stated he wouldn't mind playing.
However, Golf is his passion, whereas Basketball is his job, and baseball
is his afterthought..

>
>-- Venk Reddy --


-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
From: vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Are Da Bulls Dying? (was Re: Hornets B-ball)
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:34:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Jul24.123424.14134
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Jul23.175506.11735@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
> In article <1992Jul23.123908.14099@husc3.harvard.edu> vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Jul22.231435.2649@athena.cs.uga.edu>, milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman) writes:
>>> But even without Rex, the Hornets should battle the Heat for the right to be
>>> destroyed by the Bulls in the first round next year.
>>
>>Hate to disappoint you, but as we saw in the various playoff series, Da Bulls
>>are dying, and dying quickly, but as much as I dislike them, I can
>>constructively say that they better make some good administrative decisions if
>>they want to stay the *gulp* *cringe* best.
>>
>>-- Venk Reddy --
> 
> Care to elaborate, Venk?  The bandwidth in this group has gone down 
> considerably, and if you would justify your opinion of how the Bulls
> are 'dying quickly', I'm sure we could get that bandwidth back up to
> par...  

Well, for one, the Knicks have a pretty good shot, pushing the Bulls to 7 
games in an embarassing series. WIth Blackman added to the squad, and rumors of
Magic Johnson coming back for his old coach Riley, the Knicks already have a
better chance of beating the Bulls, and they would definitely do it with Magic
(though that rumor isn't absolute yet). Hmmm... honestly, in the Eastern
Conference, I am not terribly sure if there are many (if any) other teams with
the chance. Cleveland may, but I doubt it. The Knicks are the best bet. 
In the west, you have Phoenix, who I think, if they can pull it together with
their new awesome acquisitions could win it all next year. If Portland gets
their offense in gear, they or Golden State (if they don't continue to choke in
situations when they should win hands down) could beat 'em. Right now, NY or
Phoenix would be my pcks. I am giving the Bulls credit, they deserve it. They
are good... they are the best. BUT, judging from their performances in this
years playoffs vs. the year before's, they DO need to do something if they are
going to maintain their rather awesome stature.

> 
> Also, who do you favor the be better than the Bulls if they stay as-is 
> (which I'm sure won't be the case)?
> 
> Is everyone in complete amazement that I responded to this?
> 
> C'mon Venk, disappoint me...
> 
> -- 
> |_ o_O              Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
> |W   |\               Bell Northern Research, Inc.              _        O
> |   / \                       Heels in 93!                     / |_      |\
> |        before...            Bulls in 93!           after... |   W  o  /|

-- Venk --
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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 92-93 Day-by-Day Schedule
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:23:26 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Jul23.010030.1@gacvx1.gac.edu> alecb@gacvx1.gac.edu writes:
>I have a day-by-day listing of the 92-93 NBA schedule which I got from
>USAToday Sportcenter.  I am willing to post it, but since it is about 1500
>lines, I thought I'd check for interest first.  I am willing to email to 
>those who want it rather than waste the space on the group.
>Alec A. Burkhardt

can you mail it to nbastats-admin@athena.mit.edu?  we will be needing to
update the nba.c program for the upcoming season.  (someone has already
started, but may not be part of nbastats-admin.

thanks!

- nate