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From: evh@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Troy Saville)
Subject: Re: Cool holes & Distance
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:12:06 GMT

Laurel Springs, North Carolina course has many great holes.
#1,#5,#7 come to mind(i don't have the time to describe all the great
holes on this course!)
The average hole length is over 400 feet.
The course is laid out in the middle of a huge christmas tree farm.


Hole #1 is one of the most famous in disc golf. 448 feet, with an
elevation drop of at least 100 feet. You have to throw across a ravine
with a road at the bottom(OB). The basket is on the side of a mountain
with christmas trees growing on the side of it. 3 rows of trees are
removed horizontally and vertically and the basket is placed where
they cross. Watch as you think you can power you disc to the hole and
it loses momentum and bank towards the road.


Hole #5 at Laurel Springs. 500+ feet on the SIDE of a mountain.
Go right and your on the mountain, go left and your screwed because
there is a road with a 40 foot drop off on the other side into
deep briars, stream, trees.
The hole is about 35 feet from the edge of an embankment that
goes straight down for about 25 feet. Problem is that the tee is
cut such that you have to throw an extra 10-15 feet higher
if you want to go right just to get over the side of the mountain.
Throwing straight at the hole means you have to throw over the road
and hope it lands in bounds(you have to throw about 425 straight and
flat to make it in bounds, or hope it banks right and stays on the
side of the mountain). of course you could throw a little right of the
center except there is a friggin telephone pole in the way.
No deuces, although i have seen some top pros change leader board
positions by getting a bogey here.


Hole #7 plays from the top of a mountain to near the bottom, with
the fairway running on the side of the mountain. The last 250 feet
run along side a road(OB, in it or over).



-- 
T. Saville, PDGA #5399,  GOLF DISCS & MINI'S bought,sold,TRADED
evh@genie.slhs.udel.edu
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Subject: positions needed

                   Still looking for positions

The Mid-Atlantic is still looking for a Women's and College
Regional Coordinator.  These are appointive, and will be appointed
by the new M.A. Regional Coordinator, Eric Wenck.  If you are
interested contact him.

(and, if you have contacted me in the past about the position
(e.g., Paul from Rutgers), contact Eric Wenck)

Eric Wenck can be reached at: 76635.1513@compuserve.com 
or by voice at:               410-788-9689





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From: vrenjak@sun1.interlan.com (Milan Vrenjak)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Disc Golf
Keywords: Disc Golf
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:39:46 GMT
Organization: Racal-Datacom, Sunrise, Florida

In article <1993Jan5.211930.29401@stortek.com>, mummy@stortek.com (Geoffrey A. Hungerford x5385) writes:
|> Hey, are there any Disc Golfers out there?
|> V. James Palmeri:  Are you out there somewhere?

I play Disc Golf in Southern Florida...  Sundays 8:45 am sharp.

-- 
Milan vrenjak@sun1.interlan.com
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Subject: Fools Fest '93

Apologies if I've posted this before, (you know, they say the mind
is the second thing that goes . . . I forgot what the first one
was)

The following is from page 16 of the Nov 1992 UPA Newsletter
---------------------------------------------------------------
                        LOOK HERE, FOOL!

    The Washington Area Frisbee Club (WAFC) is now accepting
     bid for the 16th Annual APRIL FOOLS FEST, to be held in
         Fredericksburg, VA on April 2, 3, and 4, 1993.

                       Bids Must Include:

- Full name, address, phone, and fax info for team contact

- Brief team bio including team name, location, and history

- A refundable (if you don't get in) check for $125 made out to
WAFC.  This covers all tournament entry and reservation fees.

     BIDS MUST BE POSTMARKED NO LATER THAN JANUARY 30, 1993.

                          Mail Bids to:
      WAFC, 1210 N Tafts St, Suite 907, Arlington, VA 22201
           For further information, call 703-243-2160
--------------------------------------------------------------

As usual, the Fest will be a UPA Sanctioned FIVE STAR event.  The
phone number in the ad is of Steve Goodwin, president of WAFC. 
Further information can also be gotten by e-mailing me.



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From: brk@convex.com (Brian Konigsburg)
Subject: pick-up ultimate; North Austin, TX; wanted
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:35:36 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I'm moving to North Austin soon and would love to find a pick-up game. I'll
bet UT plays but how about any games further north. I've been playing lunchtime
games in North Dallas (UTD) but the commute will soon be too much :-)


Brian Konigsburg         | It's only a huck if it ain't caught!
brk.convex.com           | 
(214) 497-4496           |
From: hausmann@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Cool holes & Distance
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:42:25 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1993Jan7.182658.22125@ncsu.edu>, Eric Lease Morgan <eric_morgn@ncsu.edu> writes:
> About two monthes ago I came back from Texas where I played disc golf
> in Fort Worth and Dallas. There was one hole in Fort Worth that was
> an incredible 525 feet. No way could a person make this hole in three.
> 

What makes it so difficult?  Is is obstructed in some fashion?  We have a 
605 ft hole in Waterloo that people often get in three.  Serious golfers with
the new plastic should be getting 280-320 ft drives...(I think anyway.)

-Tom

PDGA #4418
From: steffen8546@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Disc Golf
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:03:14 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1993Jan5.211930.29401@stortek.com>, mummy@stortek.com (Geoffrey A. Hungerford x5385) writes:
> Hey, are there any Disc Golfers out there?
> V. James Palmeri:  Are you out there somewhere?


It is nice to see people that play disc golf on line.  I have played disc golf
for 13 years and I am only 22 years old.  I live in Cedar Falls/Waterloo Iowa,
host of the 1989 PDGA World Championships.  We have two permanent courses with
cement tees.  A short and a long course.  We have many many courses in Iowa.

I have been playing pro since 1989.  Been to four PDGA world championships and
two state title in four attempts.  I love this sport and never plan to quit
playing.

Anyone have any disc golf questions that I might be able to answer for you
please ask.

Jason Steffen 
PDGA #4113
From: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Spring Season Stuff
Date: 12 Jan 1993 06:35:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
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Howdy! A couple of quick questions...

1) could someone repost the contacts for the Gainsville Frostbreaker &
the Columbia S.C. Saint Patrick's Ultimate Daze (SPUD) I know they were on
the net, but they got erased over my winter break & I can't find where I wrote
it down. Thanks. (BTW - the U. Penn Void would LOVE to go to these tourneys,
so if the directors of either read this, please save us a spot.)

2) When / Where is the East Coast Cap't meeting going to be. Is there going to 
be another Gender Blender to go with it? 

3) Has any info been released for Collegiate Easterns yet? 

Thanks. Happy new year all!

						Chris
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From: rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith)
Subject: Ottawa, Canada. Ice Ultimate
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:20:08 GMT

The season continues.

Fridays 8pm (set your VCR to record Deep Space 9) at the ice rink 
behind the Jack Purcell Community Center on Bank St.
Bring your skates.

The distributuion is set to (ont) Ontario. This should be limited.
From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Pick-Up Soccer games in Melbourne in February
Date: 5 Jan 93 07:55:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego



I'll be revisiting Melbourne (Australia) in February and was
wondering if anyone knew of any casual soccer matches I could play
while I'm there.

During my time here in San Diego I have played a lot of soccer and
would like to maintain my fitness by playing some games when in
Melbourne.

Anyone know of any....?




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"Two men say they're jesus, one of them must be wrong," M. Knopfler
From: jp@moscom.com (Jim Palmeri)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Disc Golf
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:39:12 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corporation, Pittsford NY


>>Hey, are there any Disc Golfers out there?
>
>Yes! I'm a disc golfer. I live in Raleigh, NC where we have 6 courses
>in the area. I have been playing for about 10 years and have yet to
>get a hole-in-one.  :-(

Another Yes!  I love the the game, even quit ultimate to spend more 
time at it. (Bad thing to admit on this group)!

Here is a hole in one story:  Hole number 12 at the now displaced
Genesee Valley Park disc golf course.  An 80 meter left to right
curve to a basket that was blocked straight on by a bushy tree ten 
meters in front of it.  

Jamie Moldt arches a beautiful anheizer that you know is going right
in as soon as you see it leave his hand.  A group of newcomers just
finishing the hole are incredulous, as they never saw someone throw
that far, much less get a hole in one.  They had no idea that Jamie
was a world class disc golfer, and could actually throw almost
twice as far on a pure distance pull.

Since this was a high level competition for a milkshake, I had to get
at least a birdie to stay in contention.  The newcomers were waiting
in anticipation to see what I could do.  Well.... I threw my best
shot...it looked exactly like Jamie's.   The newcomers couldn't
believe their eyes.  Neither could Jamie nor I.  The disc took the
exact same route.  It hit the pole at the exact same spot!  It hit 
the basket on the exact same edge!!   But did it stay in???

Of course not.  Not when a milkshake is at stake.  Current standings
in the Jamie Moldt -Jim Palmeri Milkshake Challenge series....since
1975:  

		Jamie Moldt - 374     Jim Palmeri - 3

And that 3 might be an exaggeration.  But disc golf is still a
great game. 
 

-- 
Jim P.   (jp@moscom.com)
From: stlucas@gdwest.gd.com (Joseph St. Lucas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Bee in rain
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:36:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: General Dynamics Corp.

Here it is, Tuesday afternoon, 60 degrees, raining like crazy, little
wind.  Our Tuesday/Thursday ultimate lunch game; playing on a field
where one endzone is a complete mud-bog, mud streaks up our legs front
and back, mud on the bee, our hands, shirts.  I get back to work, my
co-workers think I'm crazy to play in the rain.
I LOVE IT!!!

-- 
Joe St.Lucas    stlucas@gdwest.gd.com        Standard Disclaimers Apply
General Dynamics Space Systems, San Diego
My blood runs Husker red.
From: taernst@flower.Princeton.EDU (Ted Ernst)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Northeast/Midatlanic Captains Meeting Date??
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:50:39 GMT
Organization: Clockwork Orange Ultimate
Originator: news@nimaster


   Does anyone know when/where the Spring captains meeting will be for
the East Coast?

Eric, maybe?

go ho!
ted
From: rjs@twics.co.jp
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Hawaii tourney
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:19:46 GMT
Organization: TWICS, Tokyo, Japan

One mixed team from Japan is going with a max of 20 players, not the best
in the country. I'd like to pick up with a team, as I'm coming from Japan, 
but more interested in playing for a team that might want a good player.
Still haven't decided 100% on going. Pls email me. Tks all.
Rich in Kobe
From: mueller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Carl Douglas Mueller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: disc golf trivia (was Cool holes)
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:41:03 GMT
Reply-To: mueller@schaefer.UUCP (Carl Douglas Mueller)
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Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

In article <1993Jan8.152857.9590@ncsu.edu> Eric Lease Morgan <eric_morgn@ncsu.edu> writes:
>In article <4848@moscom.com> Jim Palmeri, jp@moscom.com writes:
>>
>>To that end, a disc golf trivia question:  What is considered the
>>very first disc made specifically for the game of disc golf?  
>>Clue: it was not the DGA Night Flyer.  Second clue: it was obscure
>>and little used because the Night Flyer came out shortly thereafter.
>
>I'm just taking a stab at this...
>
>Was the firt disc golf frisbee and Aero?
>
>I have an Aero I bought more than 10 years ago. I don't know its name,
>but others who have seen it believe it is somewhat of a collector's
>item, especially becuase its patent was still pending.

1) I don't think that it is an Aero as I have some midnight fliers from 
   no later than 1980 (and I think a few are from 1979).  

2) I too am a disc golfer and read this group.  I haven't played much
   the past 6 years or so while trapped here in Madison, WI working on
   my PhD.  (Madison now has a course -- as of last fall -- though it
   must be taken down in the winters as it would otherwise interfere 
   with cross country skiers.)

3) I would have guessed that the midnight fliers were the first golf
   specific discs and am awaiting the answer to this question.  I think
   that the Aero was one of the first non-Wham-O discs out there ...
   along with the Aviar.  Perhaps not.

Carl Mueller (mueller@math.wisc.edu)
From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
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Subject: it's elemental
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:20:02 -0500

BF>Plays will be called by the common name of the appropriate compound.
BF>For instance, "Salt!" means player designated "sodium" throws to player
BF>designated "chlorine".

What if you wanted chlorine to throw to sodium???  <g>

 * SLMR 2.1a * Evolution is God's way of issuing upgrades

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From: kscott@brahms.udel.edu (Nicole Lassiter)
Subject: Re: Cool holes
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:19:39 GMT

Well, there are two nasty holes paired in the brandywine course.
In Wilmington Delaware we have the beauty and the beast.  I have watched
many tournaments (I am not good enough or regular enough to play) (well
I play regularly, I'll admit I'm just not good enough).  I am waiting
to see a hole in one on the beauty and a hole in three on the beast.
I do not know if anyone had ever holed-in-one the beauty, it is a side-
of-mountain shot (downhill) where I have VCR'd some shots coming down,
the best I have ever seen is one shot that came within two feet (you
have to clear a forest on the right side and then cross a river through
a tree set that confounds experts and newbies alike).  As for the beast,
imagine upwards of 500(?) feet to a tee hidden in a grove of trees.  I
would love to film the techniques of rollers uphill and know how they do
this but have yet to vcr a roller who gets this hole in three ( please
mail me with (thumb position, disc, over/under forearm + details
if you can roll uphill like this).  I know this has been done in three.

A sad note, the brandywine course has been rearranged, and while it is still
60% percentile interesting, it is no longer 99% percentile interesting.
There used to be a great back nine, featuring a shot above a barn (real
winger shot), a valley shot around a grove of trees, and a shot into a
totally distinct apse.  The course was rearranged very well, considering it
was rearranged, but despite the professional rearrangement it has gone from
a course of national distinction to a course of, well, up & down.
There is still beauty and the beast.

As an aside, I would challenge you with the fifth hole at brandywine, also in
Wilmington.  You can do both courses in the same day.  The fifth hole is a true
"monkey hole".  One must pray to the monkey gods for their lenience.  The
hole is long enough that the serious player must throw a straight s-curve.
The course is wonderfully tree'd by overhanging bows, if the monkeys touch your
shot and find it worthy they hit it back in bounds.  If they find it unworthy
they slap it straight down.  I've lost two discs there.

Just one opinion, kscott@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu (Kevin, not Nicole)

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From: Eric Lease Morgan <eric_morgn@ncsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Cool holes & Distance
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:07:19 GMT

>> About two monthes ago I came back from Texas where I played disc golf
>> in Fort Worth and Dallas. There was one hole in Fort Worth that was
>> an incredible 525 feet. No way could a person make this hole in three.
>> 
>
>What makes it so difficult?  Is is obstructed in some fashion?

The 525 feet hole is up a hill and around the corner obstructed by
many trees.

Okay, so my description of a cool hole was not so cool. I was just
trying to start a conversation.

Eric Morgan
From: troy@cqs.washington.edu (Troy Frever)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Hawaii tourney
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:35:43 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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Does anyone out there have a list of teams slated to be at the
upcoming Hawaii tourney?  I hear that it's very popular this year, and
that some "big name" teams may be in attendance (South Bay?, East
Bay?). 

Troy
troy@u.washington.edu



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From: mueller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Carl Douglas Mueller)
Subject: Re: Favorite Golf Discs?
Reply-To: mueller@schaefer.UUCP (Carl Douglas Mueller)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 00:41:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.164041.9753@iscsvax.uni.edu> steffen8546@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>What are you favorite golf discs?
>
>My fav is the first run original Hammer with the mallet and the ugly golf
>basket on it.  These are the best for 250 feet or less straight shots or a very
>slight turn over or hyzer (right or left) shot.  Use them for putting too.
>
>What do you like?

   I haven't played enough with my newer discs to really have a favorite yet,
but I like the Eclipse quite a bit.  The Scorpion also seems promising.  I 
too like the Condor ... I'm not sure if I have one of the old ones or one of
the new ones (how do I tell?).  

   However, MANY YEARS AGO, I used to play at Gilson (Gillson?) Park in 
Wilmette, IL.  (This was before they took down the course and moved a few
holes over to the side of the course.)  This was in the late 1970's, before
the new discs required longer holes.  My favorite disc at this time was the
100 mold Midnight Flier.  This disc was amazing.  I could throw extremely
well behaved curves (Steep, shallow, right, left) which would land right
where I wanted them to (in or near the basket).  When the little discs
came out, the game changed a lot.  I still love Disc Golf and play it
when I can (I miss living in Joliet, IL which had 4 courses within 15 minutes),
but sometimes I miss the OLD DAYS.

   Is anyone out there familiar with the old Gilson Park course (right 
across from the Bahai Temple)?  Does anyone else miss the days of the  
larger lighter discs?

Carl Mueller (mueller@math.wisc.edu)

P.S.  I think that this is great that the disc golfers have (temporarily I
      am sure) taken over this group.   :-)

>
>Jason Steffen
>PDGA #4113
>
>
From: steffen8546@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: disc golf trivia (was Cool holes)
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:51:16 -0600
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Organization: University of Northern Iowa

To my knowledge the first golf disc made was the Kitty Hawk or the Hooker. 
This disc was a small (less than 21cm I believe.) and very rubbery.  It is very
similar to the new gumputt or the super puppy.  The only ones I have seen were
red.  If anyone can verify this or if this rings any bells please let us know.

Jason Steffen
PDGA #4113
From: wayneh@meaddata.com (Wayne Haber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Arctic Vogue XII
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:55:27 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
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 The 12th annual Arctic Vogue tournament will be happening this year on
 Feb 6 and 7 in Cincinatti, Ohio.

 Last year there were 16 coed teams and 2 women's teams.

 Entrance fees will be inbetween $20 and $30, most of which will be
 used for party expenses.

 For more information send mail to wayneh@meaddata.com OR
                      call Bill Brady at 513-321-4126.
--
Thanks...

-- Wayne
From: lewis@sparky.med.ecu.edu (Lewis Hoffmann)
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Subject: cool holes in NC

	I thought somebody would never mention Laurel Springs. One mile off the
Blue Ridge Parkway in North Carolina on a Christmas tree farm is the most 
beautiful-but-deadly disc golf course you've ever seen...and you've got to 
look quick, because it's only there for one week each year. 

	The average length of the holes at Laurel Springs is over 400'. They 
say there's only been one ace in tournament play, a for a total of two *ever*.
There are eight holes (by my count) which you can
(oops, no editor) not see from the tee. And they say it was tougher before
Hurricane Hugo came through. Hard to believe, 'til you see the stumps.
('nuff said. Bill Boylan, you're welcome for the plug...)

	Another cool course in NC is the Country Course, near Louisburg,NC.
A tight, wooded course with fairways populated by trees named Curly, Moe, &
Larry, or by The Judge & The Jury, the Country Course is also privately 
owned. Many of the holes there are home-made; from washtubs, fan grillwork, 
bread baskets, etc. Three holes play near a pasture where the horses don't 
seem to care whether they're in your way or not. The signature hole features
the course logo in thirty-foot 'grass relief' letters at the edge of the 
green. This fall, the baskets for moonlight doubles were illuminated by
jack-o-lanterns carved by the grounds crew. Fun course.

	Well, that's 2 cents worth of 'cool holes' from me. Just curious, are 
there other private courses around? 

lewis
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