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From: rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: Chuckii Booker
Originator: rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:29:57 GMT


Hey...

Did anyone pick up Chuckii Booker's album "Nice and Wild"?? I like that song
"Games" and i might want to pick up the album, but want a review to be on the
safe side...anyone??anyone??

                                                                      RJ
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,alt.rap,alt.rave
From: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Subject: Re: Tha Bizness.
Originator: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu
Reply-To: gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Organization: in your face!
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:04:47 GMT

In article <0105009A.lbeckl@david.roth-music.com> david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec15.010134.19119@netcom.com> (rec.music.funky,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,alt.rap,alt.rave), fiedler@netcom.com (Dragon (David Fiedler)) writes:
>> Sorry, I consider this excessivley negative. Your friend might just be on
>> the verge of becoming the next Tom Cruise or something. The world really
>> doesn't need another lawyer, you know, but a good actor, musician, or
>> other creative person can brighten millions of lives.
>This is a measurement far greater than any income on a profit and loss
>statement.  The bigger picture.

Well, since we are talking about business practices, are you familiar
with cost-benefit analyses and risk assessments?  Do you think it is
fair if someone has assessed that the risk to their resources is too
great to assume the cost of becoming an actor, despite the benefit
that they would greatly love it, and the (possible) benefit that they
would become successful enough to brighten millions of lives, that
they choose another path?

Who is to say that a lawyer cannot brighten millions of lives?

>Security doesn't exist within a job.  It exists within yourself.
>Placing it in the job is placing it where it doesn't belong since the
>job may not always been there but you will.

In order to be successful at business, you need to be able to market
yourself.  A good doctor, lawyer, computer programmer, etc., has a
much better chance of marketing themself than a musician of comparable
skills, at least in this economy.

--gregbo


Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
From: rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson)
Subject: Re: Track from SOS "Am I the Same Girl?"
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:05:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.214316.25885@news.Hawaii.Edu> gregbb@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gregory B. Beuthin) writes:

>>> 
 I found out I *don't* want Allison Limerick.
>
Greg Boyteen" Beuthin             | Respect....              ___   Keep 

Alison Limerick has an album out?? Ive heard talk about one ever since her
"Where Love Lives" and that other single came out, but I havent heard anything
else, so i just assumed it never came out...Is it all that bad?? I always saw
her as being a talented singer...


                                                                   RJ
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Enigma re-release??
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 08:39:15 GMT
Organization: Usenet Power Elite: Crush-The-Innocent-Newbies Strike Team

david@cs.uow.edu.au (David E A Wilson) writes:

>> Does anyone know  if it is a re-release or something?? 
>
> There certainly is a re-release available - it seems to have the extra
> tracks from the singles on it. 

That's the limited edition version, which was released in Europe and the
UK not long after the original release of the album itself.  The copies
of 'MCMXC a.D.' that are suddenly overflowing shop bins in the US seem to
be the same version of the album as always. 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
From: canete@eel.micro.umn.edu (Jose Jacala Canete)
Subject: Swing Out Sister
Keywords: first album, remix/dub
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:50:44 GMT

I'm not sure if anyone caught the posting I made earlier (I guess
NOT!) regarding SOS's remixes on CD.  I guess I'll have to go and 
see for myself when I go to Tower Records in NYC this break!!

Anyways, I'd like to mention 2 of SOS's most overlooked songs and
which I believe are worth giving a listen to:

	1. Blue Mood  from  It's Better to Travel
	2. Tainted  from  Kaleidoscope World

Anyone here seen them in concert anywhere?  I don't think they are
particularly popular here in the US which is too bad, but I can't
say the same for the situation in the UK.  I have Blue Mood as a 
dub version on CD and all I can say is "Fabulous!" and simply much
better than the album version.  Tainted, as far as I know, isn't
available as a remix/dub version on CD, but it's got that hip sound
characteristic of the duo.

Jojo C.

' I ain't takin' no'mo of dis crap !!! ' -- Christos Velissaris


p.s. I HAVE seen them in concert and they were totally outstanding, I
     take my hats off !!
From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: Siedah Garrett solo album?!!! (was Re: Sade)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 12:27:52 EST
Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC
Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <1992Nov23.174004.1391@sbcs.sunysb.edu> (rec.music.funky), rojohnso@csws4.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson) writes:
> Actually, Siedah released a  solo   album  several years ago...It  had a
> kinda,sorta hit called k.i.s.s.i.n.g. and another one called Everchanging
> Times...It didnt sell too well though...
> 
>                                                          RJ
> 

Was Everchanging Times on an album of her's before Kiss Of Life?

David
david@roth-music.com

Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
From: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith)
Subject: Re: Where is Prince in these postings?
Reply-To: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:20:50 GMT

Hey, nicely put. There are a few Prince fans here. I posted a review of
his new album about a month ago. He is truly the mosty influencial
musician from the 80s, I agree.

Newsgroups: rec.music.funky,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,alt.rap,alt.rave
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Tha Bizness.
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:55:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.205411.27834@cs.ucla.edu>
...
>Well, I've done quite a bit of "homework", on the music business, by
>reading many books, and talking to pro, semi-pro, and aspiring
>musicians and music businesspeople.  I have found that many of them
>echo my statements.
 
These days, I think most of them would prefer to "sample" your statements. ;-)
 
 
--Eric
 
eiverso@cms.cc.wayne.edu  "It's that constant beat; that 'boom, boom, boom!'
Detroit, Michigan  USA         I get hyped, I get into it, and when the
                                     breaks come . . . I scream!" :)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
From: mropp@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Seventies Pop lyrics quiz
Organization: Clark University
Date: 16 DEC 92 20:29:12 GMT

5- hotel california!!
From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: Track from SOS "Am I the Same Girl?"
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:04:02 EST
Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC
Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
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In article <1992Dec4.235122.23056@news.Hawaii.Edu> (rec.music.funky), gregbb@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gregory B. Beuthin) writes:
> 
> The beginning of Swing Out Sister's Am I... has a track from an earlier
> recording of some semi-famous artist.  The horn bit is what I'm talking
> about.  Since I unfortunately have a pirated version of the tape :-( I
> don't have the original credits.... N E 1 got the info on that?

You do know that any time a pirated tape is created somewhere an artist
and producer looses their wings.  Just thought you might want to know.

David
david@roth-music.com
From: davidf@thelonious.Eng.Sun.COM (Daivd J. Flemister)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: True Son of The P
Date: 14 Dec 1992 19:29:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: davidf@thelonious.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: thelonious



 What'up funksters? 
 A true son of the P has dropped a BOMB!
 
 Trey Lewd - Drop the Line
 
 Produced mostly by none other that Dr. Funkenstein himself,
 this album smokes.
 
 Sir Jinx, producer of Ice Cube among other rhyme slangers, also does
 a couple of trax.

 I picked up this cd about a month ago...Just wondering why no one in this
 group has givin it it's props.

dj_f
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
From: dfo@csi.compuserve.com (Duane Ott)
Subject: Zazen
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:50:03 GMT

In article <15831@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>I'm not familiar with "Underwater Sunlight" but I'll second the recommendation
>for this album.  This is new age music with balls.  Zazen is Andy West (
>from the Dregs) on bass, Joaquin Lievano (played Jean luc Ponty, Tom Coster)
>on guitars, Steve Kaplan on synthesizers, and Rama on percussion.  The CD
>is 72 minutes long.

Sounds good. I have Lievano's solo album "One Mind" which I like quite a lot.
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: Questions for Suzanne Ciana
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 01:35:08 GMT

> datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta) writes:
>We need questions for an interview FAST. Please send me some!

Yes, I have two, you may want to save the first for last :-).

1. Reword or change this, but *I* would love to hear her response.

Her new compilation album contains two new songs.  How does she
feel about her most devout fans, who have all of her other albums,
being forced to buy an album that contains this tiny percentage of 
new material; the rest being previously released productions?

Would she consider putting these two songs on her next "original"
album?  [Obvious question - when does she plan to relase a "new" album?]

This question is from an adoring fan who has all of her other albums,
was mesmerized seeing her perform at the University of Colorado a
couple of years ago, who would love her music even if whe wasn't so
beautiful, and has even made himself watch that afternoon soap opera a 
couple of times to hear more of her music.

I hope that you can address this issue with her, even if it's just
to express the notion that her long time fans would really appreciate
having these new songs, but feel it is unfair to have to re-buy that
much previously released music.


2. Has she been approached to score any other movie soundtracks besides
Mother Teresa?  (Has she done more than Mother Teresa?)  Is there anything 
in the works? 


That's all I can think of right now.  God, have fun.  Once again,
I'm jealous.

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From: bmaple@burner.com (Bob Maple)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Interesting music on TV
Date: 13 Dec 92 05:09:49 GMT
Organization: The Back Burner BBS (via C-Net Amiga)

I just saw a Volkswagon commercial ('Experience Fahrvergnugen') that had some
really great music in it; it was 'dreamy'.. it sounded a LOT like Enya but
it's nothing I've heard before.

Anyone know anything/have seen it too?

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From: craigs@pyrdc.UUCP (Craig Shipley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Re: White Sands Soundtrack
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:36:56 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp. Annapolis Junction, MD

In article <1992Dec14.183342.16893@netcom.com> lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen) writes:
>d2henan@dtek.chalmers.se (Andreas Henning) writes:
>>I saw a trailer for the film 'White Sands' the other day, and it
>>stated that the music was made by Patrick O'Hearn.
>>Can anyone confirm that it really is "THE" Patrick O'Hearn???
>
>Yep, it was "THE" Patrick O'Hearn.  :)
But, is the soundtrack gonna be released or not? Has this movie been
released yet? If so, check the ad for it and in the fine print it should
tell whether or not it is going to be released on CD/tape/LP/8-track or
not. I'm going to do just that this evening and if I find out something
definite, I'll post it here.

BTW, just _how_ many "Patrick O'Hearn"'s are there out there makin'
music, anyway?? "Will the REAL Patrick O'Hearn please stand up?"
>-- 
>
>Lon Lowen Jr.                        |  Wayne State University
>Netcom Online Communications         |  Detroit, Michigan
>lllowen@netcom.com                   |  (lllowen@mts.cc.wayne.edu)
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Lon!


-- 

Regards,

Craig Shipley

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  Opinions expressed here, if any, are my own and not Pyramid's.
From: nh@condo.cis.ufl.edu (Nadeem Haider)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: LAST OF THE MOHICANS, soundtrack
Summary: AWESOME!!!
Date: 13 Dec 92 04:16:34 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.


I loved the "THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS" soundtrack the day I saw the
movie.  The music is ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC.

comments?



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Newsgroups: rec.music.newage,alt.music.progressive
From: mei141@cck.coventry.ac.uk (PH)
Subject: Re: New single from Tubular Bells II?
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:44:29 GMT

In article <724597859.7720@minster.york.ac.uk> spj-b@minster.york.ac.uk (Simon P. Johnson ) writes:
>In article <oivindi.81.724442433@dhhalden.no> oivindi@dhhalden.no (OIVIND IDSO) writes:
>>
>>A friend of mine has heard rumours about a new single being released from 
>>Mike Oldfield's TB II.
>>
>>Does anyone have some info on this (track-listing, eventual remix(es), etc.)?
>>
>As regards MO here in the UK. He has released Tatoo (the bagpipe section) as a
>single. On the CD single there is also a previously unreleased version of 
>SiIIent Night (as spelt on the cover) and a live version of sentinal (from the
>Edinburgh Concert.
>
>IMHO silent night is very good (nice guitar solo towards the end). Tatoo is just
>an edit from the album, and Sentinal is not a lot different, it's just that the
>mixing is a little raw.
>
>
>Simon
There are in fact TWO CD singles releaced.  Both are entitled Tattoo.  The 
first is as Simon mentioned.  The second is of Tattoo live at the Castle.  It
also contains Maya Gold, moonshine and Reprise.  The cover is what I really
like about it:  it has a hologram of the bell on it, and depending on which way
you catch the light, it looks like either the cover of TB II or the cd single
cover of Sentinel.

Stephen Buxton
aka mei141@uk.ac.cov.cck


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Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
From: buck@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Loren Buchanan)
Subject: Re: Is newage music on the decline?
Followup-To: rec.music.newage
Summary: No, its just going independent
Keywords: newage music marketing
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:31:03 GMT

I picked up a copy of Heartsong Review (see later posting for more info on
this magazine), and found another way to spend my limited newage music budget.
Following is a partial list of record companies that either advertised or 
had a recording reviewed:

Raven Recording Co.			Turnstyle Records
Etheran Music				Cloud 9 Music
Willow Music				American Bhajan Productions
Moonbear Productions			Shaman Mystique Productions
Atlantis				Westwind Music
Karma Productions			NAAM
Prisma, Inc.				Perfect Pitch Music Marketing
Astromusic				Akashic Records
Sound Designs of Arizona		Fountain Music
Sorza Music Co.				Sound Serene
Light Unlimited Publishing Co.		Novox Music
The Onyx Star				BooneTunes

The down side is all of these record companies are also charging $14US to
$20US for a CD.  The reality of being a small independent record company is
advertising costs money (not to mention equipment costs).  If the company
is one person on their own this is their living we are talking about (food,
shelter, health care, saving for retirement, etc.).  Larger companies will
also have to have enough cash flow to make payroll and pay taxes (State,
Federal, and Social Security if in the U.S. or similar in other countries).
The only companies that can afford to have low prices are subsidized by a
real job, significant other, significant wealth, etc.

B Cing U

P.S.  At least one of the above companies has been mentioned in rmn and/or
the Tangerine Dream email list in the last month or so.

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From: jared@midiline.la.ca.us (Luposian Knightwolf)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Please remove me...
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 14:13:24 PST
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

I wish to be removed from the Tadream-request mailings.  It was nice for 
awhile, but I see that i'm not QUITE as avid a fan as I a'fore thought.  
However this is accomplished, I'm not sure.  But I know someone here 
knows what to do to drop kick me on out. :-)
 
Appreciated the service while I wanted it... thanks and ciao!
 
Remove me as soon as possible...
 
jared@midiline.la.ca.us <--- My address
 
Jared

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Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
From: rickd@sco.COM (rick davies)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Steve Roach/Soma release Critique
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:00:21 GMT


steve@oceania.com writes:

>For reference:

>Steve Roach CDs I have: "Desert Solitaire" (with other artists),
>	"Dreamtime Return", "Empetus", "The Leaving Time" (with Michael
>	Shrieve), "Now/Traveler" "Soma" (with Robert Rich),
>	"Stormwarning", "World's Edge". 
>"Soma" is the only work by Robert Rich that I own.

Actually, Robert Rich is also on Dreamtime Return, which may be why you
find Soma similar. I suggest you listen to Roach/Rich's "Strata" (also on 
Hearts of Space) as well as Rich's "Rainforest" which should give you a better
idea of Rich's specialties. I think that "A Veil of Mists" on Rainforest is 
a good example of the moods that Rich brings to his collaborations with Roach.
On the other hand, you might want to hunt down a copy of Geometry (import 
only) to hear some of Rich's more challenging compositions.

Because you brought up Rich's "glurp" I though you might find the following 
text from the Dali tribute album (have you heard that one? It includes 
Klaus S., Michel Huygen, Roach, Rich, & others):

"The meaning of Glurp  
	As a child I used to stay up late at night
	reading art books and Charles Addams cartoons.
	A neuronal connection occurred in my brain,
	merging my fantasies with Max Ernst's melting
	'Antipope', Dali's Baked Beans and Nuclear Mysticism,
	the chirping of frogs outside in the creek, and the
	dripping of rain upon moss covered rocks.  I could
	dream living worlds shrouded in clouds, mountains with
	faces, geometric truth coexisting with liquid biomorphic
	phantasms.  Glurp is the noun that collects these
	associations.  Dali was glurp.  Gaudi was glurp.  Fungus
	is glurp.  Terry Gilliam, J.G. Ballard, Gahan Wilson,
	Robyn Hitchcock... all connected to the archetype of glurp.
	I cannot define this quality, but only indicate its
	manifestations.  My music is a tool to help me explore
	this terrain of dreams".
	
Elswhere, Rich adds:  "Musically, you can make glurp on any instrument,
although a few tools definitely help- harmonizers and resonant 
analog filters in particular.  Tablas are pretty glurpy, talking
drums and clay pots too.  A Prophet-5 is definitely glurpier than
a DX-7.  Anything that reminds you of your intestines digesting a
big dinner would count as glurp.  Also, the sound of a garden
during a soft rain, a jungle full of primordial fear, or anything
that reminds you of the time you were a monkey."

Let me know if you're interested in a list of his other releases - 
I'll try to find a discography.

	Rick

>These are just my opinions (I included the 'For reference' section so you  
>might have a clearer idea of where I'm coming from), take them for what  
>you will.  I hope you will be able to at least make a more informed  
>purchase if you decide to buy it.

>=Steve
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>  Oceania Health Care Systems   |  That one deserves a ... WOW!
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From: charly@hal.COM (Charly Rhoades)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:26:21 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: renoir.hal.com

In article <1992Dec11.184510.10272@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing) writes:
>Hi,
>
>	I've heard several cuts off of Cobalt Blue on Echoes.  I first heard
>the cuts "Allah", "Air" and "Productivity" on the Echoes livingroom concert
>with Brook.  IMHO the live versions are better.  I taped the livingroom
>concert off the air for posterity.  I wonder if Echoedisc will ever release
>the entire set of livingroom concerts, not just the compilations.

Neither "Allah," "Air," nor "Productivity" are on *my* copy of _Cobalt_Blue_.
Are these only available through the Echoes production?  Or might they be
on the live Brook album I've read about only in general terms (and about
which I greatly desire more information).



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From: glmead@doc.bmd.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: "Silent Night" - Enya - Say no more...
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:35:10 MST

I just heard Enya's rendition of "Silent Night" on the local
radio station over the weekend.  She sings in her native Gaelic
language.  Even though one cannot interpret the words, the message
comes across quite clear!  What a phenomenal talent she has!

The song is truely a tribute to the Real Reason for The Season.
Has anyone else heard this beautiful version of a Christmas classic?


Newsgroups: rec.music.newage,alt.music.progressive
From: oivindi@dhhalden.no (OIVIND IDSO)
Subject: New single from Tubular Bells II?
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:00:33 GMT


A friend of mine has heard rumours about a new single being released from 
Mike Oldfield's TB II.

Does anyone have some info on this (track-listing, eventual remix(es), etc.)?

Oivind Idso (-: oivindi@sofus.dhhalden.no :-)
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