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From: khan@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Coleman)
Subject: Re: Who gets to buy a sports car?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 14:05:08 GMT

derek@fivegl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:

>You mean you would buy a car with that many cylinders and that many valves
>and all those funny materials and esoteric components and _maintain it 
>YOURSELF_  Sheesh...

Sheesh nothing. There are far too many bonehead mechanics out there who
aren't competent to work on a 4-cylinder American car with 1V/C; it's
virtually impossible to find one qualified to work on an exotic. If you
do find one, could you afford him? After paying $250,000 for your 959?
Even if you could afford him, the car isn't HIS, so he's not going to look
out for *your* interests; only you can do that.

The above assumes, of course, that the owner is qualified to work on the
vehicle (or is willing to become qualified).

>>People shouldn't be able to buy them just because they have the money.

>Ah jealousy....

Yeah, it OOZES out of that post, doesn't it? ;-)

>>There should be a purchasing permit.  Yeah, that's it.  To get it, you
>>have to show appreciation for the type of car you want.  You have to
>>show that you know what to do with it.  That you'll really appreciate
>>it.  Yeah, that's the ticket.  

>Sounds to me like you are the _last_ person who should be given such a 
>permit.  Having a sports car doesn't give you the right to drive recklessly
>etc. etc.   The permits for a desirable car should include how many accidents
>and speeding tickets you have.  Only people who don't have accidents and 
>don't get caught speeding should be allowed to drive sports/classic cars.

Agreed!

>No, these cars should be driven by careful considerate drivers who only 
>explore limits on open roads with no traffic or ( even better ) on private
>roads.  Perhaps the Corvette driver who is conservative in traffic is trying
>to preserve his/her cherished car which he/she has saved up for years for. 
>They are probably uptight because they don't want the 76 Malibu too close.
>Rust is like Aids - it transfers itself to your car if the other car 
>penetrates the paint... and once you've got rust it will _never_ go away.

Uh, I don't think the Corvette driver you mention has anything to worry 
about... ;-)

--
Scott Coleman                                                    tmkk@uiuc.edu

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From: mb7s@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Mikhail  Boukhny)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: how much insurance increases
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:59:33 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

A friend of mine who has no access to the network asked me to post the following

He was speeding 90 mph and received $250 fine+ 3 months suspension. 6 points
on the top of that. How much his insurance is likely to increase? I guess
he has State Farm Bureau (Virginia). He has no neither  old points nor safe 
points and pays now about $450 a year.
Your help is appreciated. Michael.
P.S. Are there any ways to influence the decision of insurance company.
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From: waco@cbnewse.cb.att.com (john.l.broughton)
Subject: Re: What does GT mean?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:01:31 GMT

For the person who asked what GT means; I never saw the question answered
here.  GT stands for grand touring.  A grand touring car is usually a 
2-passenger coupe.  I believe the term originated with Italian auto makers
(gran turisimo [sp?]), but I am not a reliable source of information on this.
Some cars referred to as sports cars are really GTs.  Some purists might
insist to be a sports car it must be a roadster or a convertible; they
might be right.


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From: alex@Apple.COM (Alex Rangel)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Motorcycle for sale
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:38:41 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA


 "75 Honda Goldwing 1000, excellent
condition, needs some work.  38,000
miles.
 
To respond to this add please call (415) 961-7643"

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From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re: shane nos vettes?!!!!
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:06:39 GMT

From article <92204.170807U53966@uicvm.uic.edu>, by U53966@uicvm.uic.edu:
> Ah dont claim tobe no vette expert but ole Shane know or he thinks he knows tha
> t the vette was always made of that there fiberglass.  Weeeellll i done hear th
> at some o them early vettes were made of good ole iron.  Then they run off and
> discovered that there glass stuff, and from then on the vette was glass.
> So yawll git to the bare metal of glass on thison sooon ya hear.
> Dont preserve no car use it, just like the ole noodle.  Does no good sittin
> in a jar or a garage.  Ah see a saturn in your future? or was that a fiero?
  
Well, Mr. U53966, I'll be shore to check up on iss here eyeurn Vette stuff
that youse a tallkin bout and tell ye the real story.  Now some o the first
uns mighta been iron-skinned, but that was probbly afore they figgered out
how to work with that there fiberglass stuff.  Hell, I think they still 
makes the chassis out o iron, but that ain't what I was a tallkin about.
And whoever said you couldn't  use a car and preserve it both at the same
time?  Ain't you ever heared o wax, son?
From: gss@btcase.bt.co.uk (Graham Sewell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Radar detectors in the UK?
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:36:58 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: British Telecom, Lion House, London.

I have been following the thread on detectors based in the US, but we
have recently had new laws passed in the UK.  To summarise, the police
can now do us for speeding on the evidence of camera photographs.  I
believe these cameras are triggered by radar, and therefore raise the
following questions:

1)	Are radar detectors suitable for picking up this kind of device?

2)	Does anybody know what types of device are available in the UK?

3)	What is the penalty for being caught with one of these devices?

4)	I am assuming that for these cameras to be effective, radar 
	detectors have to be illegal, but what are the chances of being 
	caught using one?

Thanks in advance for any information that may save my licence from any
unnecessary endorsements.


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From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Loaded pickup on a race track (was Re: Men and Women drivers)
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:40:53 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Jul22.140947.20687@mcnc.org> kk@mcnc.org (Krzysztof A. Kozminski) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.154505.7044@pony.Ingres.COM> dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick) writes:
>>
>>After all, I've never
>>seen a loaded pickup traveling along the Indianapolis race track, so why
>>should I expect to travel 120+ over the freeway?
>
>Presuming that you've never seen a loaded pickup traveling along the
>Nurnburngring (sp?) race track, perhaps you also wonder why should
>Germans expect to travel 120+ over the autobahn ?

Err ... almost.  I went to the Oldtimer Grand Prix at the Nurburgring a
couple of years ago.  On the way home, I passed a pickup towing a
Jaguar E type from the meeting.  The pickup was a chopped Rolls Royce
Silver Shadow, complete with a chromed exhaust and with spot lights on
his roll cage!  There was a lot of traffic at the time but he was going
at least 70 mph. With a bit less traffic, who knows ... :-)

			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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Subject: Re: Loaded pickup on a race track (was Re: Men and Women drivers)
From: tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:59:12 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

>From article <1992Jul22.140947.20687@mcnc.org>, by kk@mcnc.org (Krzysztof A. Kozminski):
>>>
>>>After all, I've never
>>>seen a loaded pickup traveling along the Indianapolis race track, so why
>>>should I expect to travel 120+ over the freeway?

Well, I don't have the full details, but...

Apparently Peter Brock raced a Holden Commodore V8 Utility (pickup) in
a 12 hour touring car race held at Bathurst.

I am told that they did fairly well for a while (running in the top 5)
but eventually it stopped working. They were lapping faster than an
M5.

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From: khan@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Coleman)
Subject: Re: shane nos vettes?!!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 14:43:55 GMT

csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach) writes:

>From article <92204.170807U53966@uicvm.uic.edu>, by U53966@uicvm.uic.edu:
>> Ah dont claim tobe no vette expert but ole Shane know or he thinks he knows tha
>> t the vette was always made of that there fiberglass.  Weeeellll i done hear th
>> at some o them early vettes were made of good ole iron.  Then they run off and
>> discovered that there glass stuff, and from then on the vette was glass.
>> So yawll git to the bare metal of glass on thison sooon ya hear.
>> Dont preserve no car use it, just like the ole noodle.  Does no good sittin
>> in a jar or a garage.  Ah see a saturn in your future? or was that a fiero?
>  
>Well, Mr. U53966, I'll be shore to check up on iss here eyeurn Vette stuff
>that youse a tallkin bout and tell ye the real story.  Now some o the first
>uns mighta been iron-skinned, but that was probbly afore they figgered out
>how to work with that there fiberglass stuff.  

U53966 is full of it. The Vette has always been GRP-bodied. The only iron is
in the engine block and the frame (and perhaps U53966's rusty memory 
circuits? ;-)

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Subject: Re: Realy esoteric cars.
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 02:54:03 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Jul27.013034.29680@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
>
>Or the Maclaren F1.  3 seater with the driver in the middle, ...

So that, according to the designer, your wife can sit on one side
and your girlfriend on the other.

I guess he doesn't think a woman would drive one...

-- 
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Watch this space.
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From: geoff@ITcorp.com (Geoff Kuenning)
Subject: Re: Officers breaking the law (was Re: Another lying police incedent)
Organization: Interrupt Technology Corporation, Manhattan Beach, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 06:21:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.172525.13679@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
whs70@dancer.UUCP () writes:

> Well Tom, I'm an elected official in my home town and as far as
> I'm concerned the cops should only exceed the speed limit if they
> have the appropriate lights and sirens going.  Being a cop does NOT
> give them an unlimited license to drive any speed they want.

I have to agree in general, but I must note that (at least in
California) there is one important exception to this rule, which is
when the Highway Patrol is clocking a speeder.  Turning on the lights
in this case would be counterproductive.  On the other hand, there's
nothing (except CHP procedure) to keep them from turning on their rear
flashing-yellow light which is invisible from the front.

BTW, I once made the big mistake of chewing out (politely) an LA
Sheriff's Deputy for failing to use his lights and siren when running
a red light.  About 30 seconds later, he caught me and pulled me over
on a charge of tailgating.  (I was on a bicycle, on a bike path along
a river, and was drafting another rider into a headwind.)  He
endangered several other cyclists to do this.  When the other cyclist
and I convinced him that he was going to look pretty silly trying to
make that stick in court, he shifted gears and accused me of violating
the ears-covered-with headphones law.  I allowed as how I doubted that
the law would apply on a bike path that did not share space with a
road, and he finally admitted defeat.  But I sure went away with a low
opinion of him and his department.  What kind of a guy can't take a
polite suggestion about how to do his job without deciding to "get" a
citizen in return?

I guess the moral of all this is that cops don't have a license to
break the law, but lots of them do, and until we get better civilian
oversight, they're going to continue to do so with impunity because
their other powers give them the ability to harass anybody who tries
to stop them.
-- 
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From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Deer Claims Another; Thoughts
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:57:23 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <11050048@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) writes:

[....]

> HOW COULD SHE BE SO ALMIGHTY STUPID TO BE RIDING WITHOUT
> A HELMET!!!!! She is free to choose to ride helmetless but I, nor any of
> the helpers was free to let her die unattended.  

A few years ago in Houston (Youhston? ;-), I was introduced to a friend of 
a friend in the parking lot of my apartment.  He was on a motorcycle and
there was no sign of a helmet anywhere.  When I asked about it, he (in a
tone of voice that said "drop it") said that they were for wimps.  He 
left shortly after that and got less than a mile when a truck ran a stop
light and killed him...  Head injuries, the kind that a helmet would
have protected his head from.  Sort of the ultimate "I told you so". 
                                 
About the flare thing:  After the cops get there and have things under
control, tell them that you used up your flares.  They will usually go
to the big box they keep in the trunk and replace them for you.  They
would have had to put flares out anyway.  

About people that stop and stand and watch at accidents:  It is a little
known unwritten law that allows the death penalty to be carried out on 
them with *NO DUE PROCESS* in the swiftest and most convenient manner! ;-)
I once sent someone to call for help at an accident that I came across
that involved massive trauma while I provided first aid to the victim
of the accident.  The person left and never called.  We waited 
for a long time before a cop just happened along and called it in on 
his radio.  I don't think the victim made it.  If I *EVER* see that 
person again...   

  TED FEUERBACH   Scientific Systems Consultant  Trilogy Consulting, Inc. 
  Lake St. Louis, MO        (314) 537-6603       tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
  Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed herein are MY OWN and obviously not
  the opinions of Trilogy, Monsanto or either of my two ex-wives.
From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Seeking advice on claiming insurance money
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 23:12:46 EDT
Organization: Surely you jest

bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli) writes:

> > A friend of mine has full coverage of a Honda Accord with All State.
> 
> Must be open season on Accords...  My wife just got rear ended yesterday
> while waiting at a light.
> In any case, she called her insurance (farmers) and they told her, if you
> want us to follow through we will take out the deductible. If you call
> the other car's insurance you should get the full amount.
> 
> She called the other insurance and they said they will send an adjuster,
> and he'd write her a check.
> 
> Knowing that it is much easier to give money to an insurance than to
> get money from them I have a question related to this accident:
> 
> I told my wife to go tho the Honda dealer before the adjuster shows up
>  and get an estimate of what it would cost to repair. 
> What happen if the adjuster offers a lower price ? 
> Who can you turn to if they refuse to meet the Honda shop estimate ?

Offer to allow them to find someone reputable, in your area, that will 
repair the car for the amount they offer. Most insurance companies will 
agree to this.
 
They will not pay the dealer's bizarrely inflated prices - unless the 
adjuster has been smoking crack.

--
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From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Roadside Help (Was: Deer Claims Another)
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:47:06 GMT

In article <24757@dog.ee.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov writes:
>In article <9900936@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) 
>writes... 
>{Deleted story of lessons learned from an accident scene.}
>
>Flares are a very good idea.  I keep some of the long ones for me
	[stuff about flares deleted]
>few seconds up front can save a lot of grief later on.)  This is an 
>advantage to those reflective triangles, which also don't burn out. 
>They don't seem to get the same amount of attention as flares, 
>though, especially in daytime and/or fog.

	I used to carry flares until I read an article about them (and the
	other options for alerting traffic) in Consumer Reports. Their claim
	was that those reflective triangles were *much* brighter than anything
	else (flares were second, flashlights a very distant third). They were
	easier to see in any situation (fog, etc). They also do not have to be
	checked every few years (I guess they expire, huh?) and they won't
	spark any gas fires. I also find them easier to store because they
	don't make me nervous.

		[more stuff deleted]

>Take a first-aid course at the next opportunity.  Comes in handy
>at the damnedest times, and tells you what not to do as well as
>what to do.
	
	This is the best advice around. I feel much better knowing that if I
	was first on an accident, I could really *do* something if I had to.
	I don't look forward to the idea, but at least I'd know what to do.

	Just my $.03 or $.04...

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From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Roadside Help (Was: Deer Claims Another)
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:17:44 GMT
Organization: The Helen Keller-Bondurant High Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <1992Jul21.194706.2200@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
>	I used to carry flares until I read an article about them (and the
>	other options for alerting traffic) in Consumer Reports. Their claim
>	was that those reflective triangles were *much* brighter than anything
>	else (flares were second, flashlights a very distant third). They were
>	easier to see in any situation (fog, etc). They also do not have to be
>	checked every few years (I guess they expire, huh?) and they won't
>	spark any gas fires. I also find them easier to store because they
>	don't make me nervous.

Jeez, CR is getting *so* narrow-minded.  Actually, BOTH triangles (or other
reflective attention-getter) and flares are useful, for somewhat separate 
purposes.  Triangles are most useful at night and when you can place it such
that it will face oncoming traffic dead-on.  On a narrow mountain roadway on 
a curve, you may not be able to do this without it actually being in the lane.

Flares can be placed along the shoulder, or in the traffic lane itself; you
don't have to worry about it being knocked over.  Also, flares get attention 
in daylight.

Just my $.02.

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From: kawai@Csli.Stanford.EDU (goh kawai - n6uok)
Subject: assisting roadside emergencies - legal question
Summary: Is assisting roadside emergencies legally required?
Keywords: emergency, assistance, requirement, legal
Organization: speech research and technology, sri international
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:21:17 GMT

Dear all

Not knowing where to post, I ask the "rec.autos.driving" group for legal
guidance.

Is assisting a roadside emergency a legally requirement?  If I pass by an
accident site, am I legally required to render assistance?  What if the
person has a gun?  Can I stay away if I feel scared, or I feel I won't be of
any help?  Is it true that, in California, you don't have to stop, but if
you do stop you cannot leave until real help arrives?

I'm especially interested in California law requirements, because I live in
California.

Thanks for any info.

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From: sar1952@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steven A Rubin)
Subject: Re: How to fight this ticket in MA ( not speeding)
Keywords: traffic ticket
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:02:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.145850.24058@osf.org> kev@osf.org (Kevin Till) writes:

>	He instructed me to pull over and give me a citation:
>		"Failure to yield at intersection;
>		Cut off vehicle making left turn
>		and cut off police vehicle making turn."

I don't know what the driving laws are in Mass, but as far as I know,
the cop was completely in the wrong.  First of all, I presume he did
not have his emergency lights on.  Therefore, he is subject to the
same traffic laws as you and I.

Secondly, you were in the intersection when the light turned red.  He
apparently was not, and thus made a left on red, which is illegal.

Thirdly, you were going straight, which gives you superior rights to
those turning in front of you.  It is the obligation of the left
turning motorist to make sure the path is clear before crossing it.
it wasn't, but he did anyway, which is also illegal.

I would absolutely fight that ticket.  You stand a very good chance of
winning.  And even if your chances were iffy, at least while you are
in court with that cop, he can't be out harassing other motorists, so
in essence you are doing everyone a favor by hauling him into court.



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