From: cza@troy.cc.bellcore.com ()
Subject: Re: [news.admin.policy]  Re: (repost) Serdar Argic FAQ - everything you didn't want to know, but he replied anyway
Organization: BCR, NJ-USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 22:51:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.114135.22082@hellgate.utah.edu> galt%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu writes:
>In article <C0938E.rz@cs.uiuc.edu>, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>>But this will disassociate mn.org from anatolia, which would be a Very
>>Good Thing (tm) for mn.org.
>>
>>anatolia would then have to pay for a mail feed, and will be more likely
>>to curb serdar because anatolia will pay for all of the mail that will
>>be fed back to it from the posts.  If anatolia wants to pay for the
>>privilege of being flamed and mailbombed, then that's their business.

First of all, all commercially operated mail delivery
systems do not charge for mail received but mail sent.
If this sensible rule applies to all networks, I would
like to see the courage of all those scumbags who mailbomb any site when
they are asked to put their money to where their mouth/fingers are. 
Besides, mailbombing or trying to crash a site to silence one or
too must be a crime.  I think one should press charges for that.
The same applies to someone who posts to crash sites. 

>>
>>But as I said earlier, I feel that posters *should* have valid email
>>addresses where they can be reached.  If they are not willing to
>>accept email, then they should not be a newsite.

Apperently, there is no such requirement to post for the
users of any site.   One can complain about about the content of any 
posting to the newssite operator.  There are laws for
obscene, libelous, and malice intended postings to deal with.
Posting in an irrelevant news group is not a crime based
on any law or rules and requlations.  It is simply a violation/abuse 
of network etiquette.  It is left to the judgement call of
the site operator on how to deal with the user who violates this 
etiquette.  To cut off people because of this act rather than
prosecuting mailbombers will have the precedent for the future
mailbombing acts (at least for mn.org).  

This case has very unique characteristic and will be
very problematic repercussion for mn.org in the future.  Because
the user who is being thrown off from mn.org did not even use
the mn.org facilities (systems/resources) for the postings.   
A couple of yahoos traced the path and incited the others willfully to 
mailbomb the site.  So, what kind of a case that is brought together 
by people in mn.org to substantiate their act against the user?  Abuse 
of their facilities.  It might be a good reason to cut someone off but 
this case does not apply to the user.  Who is abusing mn.org facilities?
Not the user but the mailbombers.  They are trying to cut this person 
service because of the mailbombs instigated by the others.  These people
in mn.org should prepare themselves for the future if one doesn't
like the posting of their users.  They are wide open
for mailbombing to silence this unwanted poster.  We all
know what they done to the mailbombers and the user who
is subject to these bombs.

>
>I have no idea what sort of posts anatolia was making that resulted in
>mailbombs, but dropping a site or even a user because of mailbombs sets
>a bad precedent.  It says that if you don't like what someone says, send
>them a few 20 meg mail messages, and they will never be heard from again.
>If people are going to send big mailbombs, it makes sense to not have
>an email address.

Right on the money.  I don't know who Serdar Argic is.  But there is a 
strong speculation and hints that he might be Hasan Mutlu himself. 
It is very well true in my opinion but I have no proof of this.
However, Hasan Mutlu had never posted anything outside of 
SOC.CULTURE.TURKISH for a long time until people, who did not like his 
postings, have tried and managed to cut him off from the network using 
the exact same tactics.  If he is the same person, I wonder why he 
doesn't want his e-mail address to be public.  I certainly do
not condone anyone who violates the net etiquette.  However, I
despise those rebel rousers who mailbomb the sites and the site 
operators who seem to let them get away with such crime.

C. Akgun 
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