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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 22:33:58 CDT
From: Vic W <U42883@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Who's ever had equipment stolen?
 <1992Apr13.234634.9758@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>

I thought this was for RANDOM vandalism?!?! Sounds like someone just had it
out for you!!! :-)

Vic
---
'86 Ninja 600 Red, White, and Blue (What else?)
---                                        "On your way up the ladder of
U42883@UICVM.UIC.EDU                        success, take someone with you
U08785@UICVM.UIC.EDU                        'cause if you ain't taking no one
U29531@UICVM.UIC.EDU                        with you, you shouldn't be going!"

In article <1992Apr13.234634.9758@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, scw54193@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Nsane) says:
>
>Yes I have had stuff stolen, why just last night I had
>both mirrors stolen off om my Kawi.  It was sitting
>right in front of my dorm!  The nerve of some people,
>they should all be shot on sight!!
>
>I have also had my tires slashed, spark plug
>caps stolen, spark plug wires cut, and the rear brake
>light switch broken.
>
>###############################
>##  Shawn (Nsane) Williams   ##
>##  Kawasaki KZ650SR         ##
>##                           ##
>##  My Life Is Piss!!        ##
>###############################
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: O.K., HOW ABOUT DOD MOUSE
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:39:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> My wife's office partner's wife suggested the ultimate DoD goody.
-> She said that since all people on the net are, to some extent,
-> computer types, how about MousePads with the Denizen logo?

 MICE???   WE DON' NEED NO STEENKEENG MICE!

 Brr.  Anyone who's use a mouse would probably ride a motorcycle with an
automatic transmission.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: R100GS bags at speed
From: rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Bob Pasker)
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:47:28 PDT
Organization: San Francisco State U. -- Dept. of History
Keywords: too fast

In article <1992Apr15.163226.2076@HQ.Ileaf.COM> grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman) writes:

>On a related note, recently my GS has developed a tendency to
>go into tank-slapper mode when I take my hands off the bars.
>Originally it was stable.  Anyone know if this is normal as
>the Sahara tires wear?  The head bearings seem fine and the
>bike is perfectly stable at all speeds with hands on the bars.

absolutely.  when you get new tires, it will go away.  also, make
doubly sure that your steering head is adjusted properly.

-- 
-- bob pasker 
-- rbp@sutro.sfsu.edu 
-- not speaking for: San Francisco State -- Dept. of History
  
From: edw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Edward Walsh)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:15:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a Comfortable Commuter?
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

Michael could buy an awful lot of expensive tires and a Corbin saddle for the
FJ for the price of a Harley or BMW and have a commuter bike. If the purpose
is to have a low budget way to keep the miles off the FJ on a bike that is
friendly to high milage tires, and has a comfortable riding position, then
a better bet would be an old (pre-heavy plastic) Goldwing, or Yamaha XS1100.
One occasionally finds the Goldwing in the $1000 price range, and I have seen
several of the Yamahas advertised in the $900~$1200 range, and in good 
condition too. Both would have luggage to haul stuff, and you may be able
to sell them in a couple of years for a few hundred dollars, so the cost
of ownership may be low. Both are shaft drive for less routine maintainance.
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                                  Edward Walsh
                                  edw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
                                  Hewlett-Packard Company
                                  Disk Memory Division, MS213
                                  P.O. Box 39   Boise,Idaho 83707
                                  (208)323-2174
                                  FJ1200'89,XZ550RJ(Vision)'82,DoD#98
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RE: ELECTRONIC COUNTERMEA
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:38:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> and a REAL LOUD audible warning. Now, where the thing came from (and
-> he bought it, so it wasn't a homebuilt), I don't know. And I've never

 Maybe he used the turn signal beeper from a late-'70s Honda.  For a
couple of years there (about the time they were putting horrible brown
seats on CB450s) they had these 100+ dB turn signal beepers that made
you into a total idiot every time you tried to signal a turn.  Going
down the freeway at 55, people in cages with the windows up would start
looking around all over for the BEEP BEEP BEEP...
                                                                                             
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: RG250WD info
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:17:00 GMT

	Could Kari from Finland please send me another message with an explicit
mailing address?  tac.fi chokes on
DD.X400-88=(q)/RFC-822=TIOK(l)u(r)KL(l)a(r)TAC.FI/(q)(a)TAC.fi !  :-(

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.					  DoD #484
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Yet another way to get killed...
Organization: /home/karazm/jet/.organization
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:46:50 GMT

"leavitt" == Mr. Bill <leavitt@cs.umd.edu> writes:

leavitt> C09615BT@WUVMD (Brad Thone) writes:
leavitt> I've heard of similar grates used out in cattle country on
leavitt> more remote (read: unpaved) roads, used for crossing ditches

In Louisiana, we called them "cattle gaps" or "cattle guards".   They
run perpendicular to the road, and usually have 2-3" gaps between the
slats, which are usually made of 3" od pipe.

No problem if you're going down the road and cross one.  (Well, a bit
bumpy. :-)

The problem is when it's on a side road that you need to turn onto.
The solution I found (on my bicycle) was to swing wide and then turn
so that you'd already be perpendicular by the time you got to the
cattle gap.  See the picture below if you don't understand the setup.

        main road
-------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------
	|===|  side road with cattle gap
	|===|
	|   |

Now the *fun* thing about these is that cattle learn to not bother
trying to cross them.  So some folks just paint a bunch o' strips
across a road and watch the cattle stop and go some place else. :-)

--
J. Eric Townsend - jet@uh.edu - Systems Wrangler, UH Dept of Mathematics
Note! New vox number: (713) 743-3466  '91 CB750, DoD# 0378
     Want to report illegal or corrupt activities by a federal agency?
        Call the Federally-sponsored Whistleblower BBS: 202.225.5527


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: How do I get rid of rust?!
Summary: fuel filters
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:10:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.173754.2324@HQ.Ileaf.COM> grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM
(Gary Wasserman) writes:
>I use the in-line filters with elements formed from what appear
>to be small brass ball bearings that have been subjected to
>geologic pressure and have merged into one congealed mass of
>permeable metal.  In otherwords I use the metal element filters.

That process is called 'sintering'.  It involves moderate
pressure followed by high temperature.

>Since you recommend the paper element filters maybe you could
>elaborate on your reasons.

They do a better job of removing smaller particles.
They're usually cheaper.

--

	Chuck Karish		karish@mindcraft.com
	(415) 323-9000		karish@forel.stanford.edu
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CB750 Carb problem
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:53:59 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

[Gary Bouck writes about starting problems, etc, with CB750 Custom:]
> 
> [mostly deleted for brevity]
>

Jetting on these bikes is very lean in stock trim. Changing the pipes
makes them go way too lean in general, although different pipes are 
difficult to judge. My CB750F in stock trim was 

Find an independent tuner who can do a good job of rejetting for you.

If you have a head gasket leak, fix that quickly! It can damage more 
things and cost you much more money if you just let it keep on leaking.

There's no reason to run hotter than normal plugs; you risk holing a 
piston or damaging valves by doing so. Properly tuned and jetted, the
stock heat range plugs will work just fine for street use. The key is 
to have the bike properly tuned and jetted.

========
Godfrey DiGiorgi | ramarren@apple.com | DoD #0493
 Rule #1: Never sell a Ducati.
 Rule #2: Always obey Rule #1.
Ducati 900SS             1992, wanted not owned :(
Ducati 750GT             1975, reborn in 1992
Honda NT650 Hawk         1988, still growing up
Ducati 250 Mk III Diana  1966, waiting for its turn
========
From: bloom@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BATTERY QUESTION: long slow charge, or quickie?
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:36:38 GMT
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <11981@ns-mx.uiowa.edu>, jlhaferman@l_eld09.icaen.uiowa.edu (Jeff Haferman) writes:
> 
> I've always been told that a long slow charge is "better" 
> for a battery than a quick charge.  For example, I have an 
> 8 amp/hour charger, which can fully charge a dead motorcycle
> battery in 5 or 6 hours, as opposed to 24 hours using a
> "trickle" charge.
> 
> Why does it make a difference?  It seems that if the battery
> is fully charged, is shouldn't matter how long it takes to
> get it fully charged.  Or does it have something to do with
> perhaps a higher amperage charge rate breaking down the
> battery a bit faster?
> 
> Any authorities on this subject please respond.

I'm not an authority, but I can read the instructions that come with 
the batteries.  Motorcycle batteries are designed to be small to fit 
easily on the bike, and as a result their internal plates are limited 
in total size and mass.  Pumping high currents into the batteries 
gives high current density which increases the temperature of 
the plates so they buckle and warp - then the battery dies prematurely.
The instructions always state to limit the current to less than 1.5 amps 
for long battery life.  A typical 14 Amp-Hour motorcycle battery 
can be fully charged with a 1 amp cycle charger in 14 hours.  Leaving 
it on charge a little longer isn't going to do any damage.  Leaving 
your battery in a discharged condition over a long time (winter storage) 
will cause sulfation and battery death.
........................Dr. Doom
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: "Shaft Effect?"
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:56:07 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: usa
Organization: NOT

megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net (From: randy@ninja.megatek.uucp) writes:
]In article <1992Apr13.172608.29409@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Seth Zirin) writes:
]|The root of the problem (or I should say
]|the reason you get rooted) is that some manufacturers come out with
]|trendy new models each year 

so essentially the imported bikes put new developments into the marketplace
and the non-imported bikes get a bike running and then stick with it. no
wonder harl...er non-imported bikes are ... never mind.

]  I guess you make your choice - enjoy the capabilities of a machine, or
]go for resale value...  Personally, I'm in it for the enjoyment, and don't
]like limiting myself just to stay with any particular brand.  Unlike you,
]resale value was never on the top of my reasons to buy a motorcycle - if I
]wanted to invest, there are a number of MUCH better ways to invest your money.

gads, if I ever start doing bikes for financial reasons, somebody put me
out of my misery. come to think of it, after putting >1500 miles on a 92
goof2, the local dealer offered to buy it back for retail. now there's
a shaft I'll take any day.

]  This ain't brand-bashing, because my dislikes of certain models for my
]personal use extends to many import models, also.

really, I can't imagine getting near one of those ugly ducati's.

](Yup, Seth, I still have my bike in my rec.motorcycles signature, sorry if
]it offends you or makes you attach some particular motive to it.)

I think I'll put mine back in in the hopes it will piss him off...

-- 
Joe Senner -- joe@zx11.Cactus.Org                                   Austin, TX
                                          ** ZX-11 **

       "Gleep is not in the zoo, nor is he a lion, tiger, or bear." 
                                         -- J.E. Quist
From: martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Austin, Home of Hospitality
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:38:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: adpplz.1280
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR


Anybody heading to Austin (which turns out to be one of the nice parts
(the nice part?) of Texas) should definitely contact the local Denizens.
For one thing, they know where everybody hides the beer.

I got in Wednesday afternoon, called everybody that I had numbers
for, and we made a Plan. Brad Blumenthal picked me up at the motel
(my manager had a car, so I didn't) (I wore my DoD tshirt, he flicked
his DoD lighter as he wandered through the lobby looking for me. We
gotta work on those Secret Recognition Signals; sometimes pointing to
your license plate frame is inconvenient) and by 6:45 found myself
heading out of Austin on lovely 2222.

Impressions:

It's not summer yet, and it wasn't raining (signs read CAUTION: ROAD CLOSED
WHEN FLOODED, THE RIVER RUNS _HERE_) but last week anyway, the weather
was beautiful, the bluebonnets were in bloom, Austin is a nice city
for a ride, and the drivers seemed to be courteous to motorcyclists.
Do not necessarily spurn an opportunity to ride Texas (some of it, anyway)
in the Spring.


And I have more evidence that there's no such thing as a -bad- motorcycle:
Paul Wilson loaned me a Honda Twinstar. I don't know the displacement, but
I'd be surprised if it were measured in units larger than teaspoons.
Peanut tank, pull-back bars, a perfect little cruiser at 1:3 scale. 
(Brad Blumenthal described me as "a circus bear on a tricycle".  I have a
New Goal: ALWAYS carry a camera to DoD events.) It handles nice, good
brakes, not fast but I wasn't in any hurry. And it really doesn't explode
if you go faster than 45, even if it feels like it's going to. Incredible
amounts of fun on two little teeny tiny wheels. 


After the ride, there was beer and nachos and the usual motley collection
of Denizens; thanks to

John Osborn 
Joe Senner
Brad Blumenthal
And Steve Bain? I have a _lousy_ memory for names.


Unfortunately, as usual, despite the large number of Denizens present
nobody was even the tensiest bit scared to death. We desparately need
to get an image to maintain.

And many thanks to Paul Wilson, for the generous loan of the Twinstar
when he couldn't even make the beerbash later, and I got lost and ran
out of time and didn't fill the gas tank, and publicly admit that I'm
_scum_ and Paul, I owe you, in case they ever send me back to Austin
or you show up here.

Now I have to get the Virago ready (it runs, but it won't start) and
pick a couple nice little roads before Brad gets to Portland.


          Martin Golding             |
DoD #236  BMWMOA #55952  WMTC #0002  | Twinstar Rules!
[motcsd!]mcspdx!adpgate!martin       |
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:48:42 -0400 
From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Tank bags

Howdy,
vsk@is.morgan.com (Victor Kazdoba) writes:
> I'm looking for a tank bag for my Suzuki Katana 750. Any suggestions?

I've got a Chase Harper 1150 tankbag and love it.  They come in a few
different colors, have two mounting systems, and have the best
warrenty I've ever seen.  If it breaks, for any reason at all, they'll
fix it.  When I was talking to the guy at Chase Harper, he told me
that the warranty is usually invoked by folks that've mounted their
saddlebags too low and have melted them...

In any event, call Chase Harper direct.  The guy I talked to is Tom,
or maybe Tim.  In any event, the prices in the official Chase Harper
catalog are pure suggestion.  I was able to get them to come down to
about $15 over mail order...

Satisfied customer and all that....

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '78 KM100 (commute-in-snow)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
From: hamiltoj@CS.ColoState.EDU ((n)<j>ay)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What *ARE* cruisers good for?
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:20:25 GMT
Distribution: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department




Tim Powell in #12212 writes

 <stuff>

 ...
 reading seem to portray cruisers as "real nice bikes as long as you stay
 on smoothly paved roads".  The bike that I want is one that will not only
 get me to and from work, but also take my wife and I on weekend jaunts
 to the ocean, mountains, forests (ie: places outside the city on less
 than perfect roads), etc...

 Are cruisers really only "stop light to stop light, boulvard bikes", or
 are they also capable of a nice "two lane, mountain road cruise"?
 ...
 <more stuff>

Tim Tim Tim Tim TIM!!!

Buddy we gotta talk.  Where on earth did you get this notion that 
cruisers were only for "stop light to stop light?"  The cruiser I
ride is a 1985 Virago 1000, and I wouldn't trade it for all the sport
bikes...  well lets just say for _A_ sport bike.  I have to say that
it loves the curves just fine (I run a nearby canyon with a 30 mph
speed limit at about 60 unless there is no traffic, in which case 
DoD min. speed applies).  

With plenty of experience on both viragos and shadows, I assure you
that crusiers are made for "two lane, mountain road cruise"s.

I think the issue here is what bike will you be the most happy with.
Since cruisers tend to have bigger fatter pillowier seats than most
of the sport bikes I think you will find them more pleasing to your
backside.  I am certain your wife would find a cruiser more comfy too.

You are talking about this sport of motorcycling where I think its
important to remember that we are all on two wheels, and we should
ride what makes us happy.  Besides, there are plenty of cages out there
to worry about, no matter what bike you are on.

Cruisers like you mention are all v-twins, so they will have lower redlines
lot of torque, last a little longer than fours, and are a heck of a lot
of fun to ride.  Since you will probably have a passenger, certainly
don't go any smaller than 700-750 cc's.  I was lucky enough to lay my
hands on a 1000 Virago absolutely cherry for about the price of a really
nice 750, and feel the extra engine to be worth it.  

"if you aren't changing your oil monthly, you ain't riding anywhere close
to enough..."


Jay Hamilton                    XV1000 with more chrome than a HD
hamiltoj@handel.cs.colostate.edu             Time to change the oil again!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: chain vs belt vs shaft drive
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:09:33 GMT

nicks@grandad.inmos.co.uk (Nick Sturge) writes:
>Well that's my views on the subject. If Yamaha were to put a shaft
>drive on an FJ1200 I'd be happy.

They did (almost), and it didn't sell. Remember the XJ900?
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
DoD #46               My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.              FJ1200
From: jwills@ISI.EDU (Jerry Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Shop manual for FJ1200?
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:33:57 GMT
	<1992Apr4.050707.5814@javelin.sim.es.com>
Organization: USC-ISI
In-reply-to: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com's message of 4 Apr 92 05:07:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.050707.5814@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

   I haven't seen one, at least not for the '91 model. But the Yamaha
   manual wasn't too bad, about $35.
   -- 
   Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
   blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
   DoD #46               My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.              FJ1200


------------------------------------------------------------------------------


	My factory manual for the 89 is missing/blank pages, in the changes
	for the 89 model year. I think its page 2-3, or 3-4. check yours and
	tell me if it just my luck, or not. Its the last section.

			Jerry Wills 
I'll have enough POWER when I can spin the tires at the end of the straight!
89 FJ, 83 Le Mans III Kit   DoD#500  KotF (Flag)   Mark Donahue, about 917's
USC/Information Sciences Institute  (USC/ISI)  SoCal (310) 822-1511 x 236
From: erik@archimedes.nwc.navy.mil (Erik van bronkhorst)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: O.K., How About DoD MousePads?????
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:12:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: avalon.1992Apr16.161259.15886
Organization: Naval Weapons Center, China Lake, CA

In article <wcsvic.703350420@cunews> wcsvic@alfred.carleton.ca (Victor Kamutzki) writes:
>Arnie Skurow <arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>
>>My wife's office partner's wife suggested the ultimate DoD goody.  She said
>>that since all people on the net are, to some extent, computer types, how 
>>about MousePads with the Denizen logo?
>
>Dandy!  But what about those of us who use optical mice?  Don't
>suppose you could emblazon the logo on the back of the _mouse_, could
>you?  Or would that be tacky...?
>

AAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

OK HOW ABOUT TEMPORARY (stickon) DoD TATTOOS????????????????
Like the ones you put on easter eggs... Yah that's it, DoD 
Easter eggs, chocolate geeky daemons...

-- 
Erik van Bronkhorst KC6UUT erik@rftech.nwc.navy.mil
DoD#4342585443 AMA#438054 "3.412 squid" "2.5 geezer"
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: official drink of the dod (was Re: DoD marital aid announcement
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:28:33 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

In article <JET.92Apr9220735@karazm.math.uh.edu> jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J Eric Townsend) writes:
>Hey, can you make a batch w/ garlic flavor?  I had some amazing
>garlic-wine at the Stinking Rose in SF while I was there over the
>weekend. 
>Maybe garlic-flavored alcohol could be the offical drink of the dod.
>It's not like anyone would want to get near us anyway... 

Hmmmmm.... I don't know about this. I mean, one of my roomates already
complained about the house smelling like a yeast infection. But we'll see
how this batch comes out. Once I put the DoD labels on it, who knows 
what it'll taste like...

Jim

-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
* Yamama 650 Maxim           | "It's not how fast you go on the fast parts, *  
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |  it's how fast you go on the slow parts."    * 
* DoD #469          KotP(un) |                           - Dilip Ballamore  *  
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