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From: lrb@alex.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: Maori, Inuit tattooing (Was Re: Home tattoo? Scarification?)
Organization: Robarts Research Institute, London Canada.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:51:50 GMT
Keywords: nn

In article <s74vmINN9le@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.134908.19892@julian.uwo.ca> lrb@alex.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey) writes:
>>i really enjoyed my recent readings on moari tattooing.
>	The Maoris did some of THE coolest of all the primitive 
>	tattoo cultures, and I've read less about it than about,
>	say, Samoan and Borneo cultures. Can you point me to some
>	source for info on it?

i'll look up the callnumbers, titles and ISBN of the books on next
saturday's trek to the public library. even the statues they made had
the appearence of being tattooed. unfortunatly for me, the inuit books
at the library had no mention of tattooing. sigh.

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From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Re: nipple healing problem
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 20:06:30 GMT

I've had a lot of success with polysporin (lotion- clear, not cream, white)
on infected peirces.  The thing is not to put a lot on, it will dry and make
crusties.  Just wipe a little on the peirce from a q-tip, pull it through the 
hole with the ring, swab off excess.  As in get the chemical in the infection
site, remove all excess.  Last resort, perhaps.  I definately think that the
less you mess with these things the better they do, and slapping a lot of
polysporin makes for big scabs and crusties, which are an active hassle to
clean around, especially if they form flug on the ring, with then moves and
irritates things, pulls through and disturbs the infection site by stirring
stuff around.
IMHO
-P.
.

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From: batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Anasthetics and piercing
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:50:30 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcave

In article <92097.163047JRUNNE@auvm.american.edu> JRUNNE@auvm.american.edu writes:
>Hey...I just got done discussing piercings with someone, and they informed
>me that in Germany, where they got theirs, piercers have no problem with
>using local anasthetics.

	Different pharmacutical laws in germany. You also can 
	(Or used to be able to) get certain sorts of speed OTC.

>When I got my QC, it HURT LIKE TOTAL FUCK.

	Gee, where do I get this kind of total fuck, and how much
	does ot hurt? =B^)

>  I had
>discussed anasthetics with my piercer, who insisted that using them was
>dangerous, especially for genital piercings, and may result in nerve damage,
>etc.

	Well, that's not true, at least if someone who knows what
	they're doing does it. However, it is illegal in this country
	(And in many others) for non-physicians to administer such 
	things.

>Does Gauntlet offer topical painkillers
>of any sort?

	For a PA, I think they do use a topical for the insertion
	on teh urethra tube, but this does not help with the piercing
	pain.

	The deal is that topical pain killers are of minimal use
	at best; they only numb where they touch. So it might make
	the entry and exit slightly less painful, but most of the
	pain is not fron entry and exit anyway, so what difference 
	does it make?


>What is the exact
>medical poop on anasthetics anyway?

	Ask on sci.med. 

>  I must have more info on this before
>I let someone put a 14-gauge needle through my genitals again

	We once tried a side-by-side experiment with two nipples;
	one had a doctor administered anisthetic, one had nothing.

	Guess what? It hurt more to have the anisthetic adminitered
	than to have the piercing done in the un-numbed nipple.

	In addition to this, when the novacain wore off, that nipple
	was much more sore from the anesthetic.


		My advice; just do it. It only hurst for second.

	It's more the FEAR that's a problem than the pain; fear
	magnifies pain exponentially. Deal with the fear, the pain
	becomes a minor issue.

> (I was
>told I have room for another QC over my existing one, and I really like
>the idea of the way it will look and feel--AFTER it's pierced!!)

	Go for it. It *will* look cool!


		-Karl(net.bulldog of rec.arts.bodyart)MacRae

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: RE: WHO IS BEN SANSING AN
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:49:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey) writes...
>Top ten reasons why Ben flames rec.arts.bodyart
>10. his crayon bodyart washed off too quickly
> 9. the crochet work was a little too deep
> 8. that temporal lobe pierce made him grumpier than usual
> 7. someone in the covent told him he was funny, and he believed
>them
> 6. those staple gun pierces REALLY hurt
> 5. the library won't him borrow Gray's anatomy anymore after the
>drool stains
> 4. he cannot figure out if left/right conevtions are HIS left/right
>or the
>    person looking at him
> 3. he cannot figure out that left/right conventions mean nothing
> 2. his wyfie won't let him have a tattoo
> 1. his mummy won't let him have a piercing

ROTFLMAO
(Which, in the language of those "other" Networks, stands for "Rolling
On The Floor Laughing My Ass Off", and is generally meant as a
compliment).

I think at least part of the "problem with Ben" is that Ben is used to
trading insults, sarcasm, bad puns, weird humor, and ribald commentary
with folks on the RIME Network. As I'm beginning to understand, this
Usenet thing is a whole different kettle of fish. For one thing, if I
try being sarcastic/facetious/tongue-in-cheek, I'm taken LITERALLY by
about half the populace, and they get pissed off and "offended". For
another thing, anything that goes against "the Party Line" gets treated
with derision. This gets tiresome after a while.
  I like your list. Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: RIGHT / LEFT CONVENTIONS
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:56:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> I also have see lots of new and old pictures / engravings of American
-> Indians.  Also, of pirates.  I have noticed that they are depicted
-> with earing on the RIGHT ear.  So!  What's the deal here?

 As I remember, the Mr. Clean character in the old TV ads had a pierced
ear, but I'll be darned if I remember which one.
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Subject: RE: WHO IS BEN SANSING AN
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 12 Apr 92 13:30:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> Body piercing jewelry (i.e. the defined and rather small
-> market that winds up in places other than ears) is made of 14k gold
-> (alloyed with I-don't-know-what), niobium, or surgical stainless
-> steel.
-> Period.

 What about titanium?  When the orthopods rebuilt my left leg, they were
going to use titanium rods, but didn't have any of the right size
(they're shaped, or something) and put stainless in instead.

 For $20,000 I really felt I should have got the high-tech stuff, but
under general anesthesia you don't have much say in the matter.
                                                                                    
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart,rec.skydiving
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: foot tattoos
Organization: University of Denver
Distribution: world,local
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 19:40:58 GMT

In article <12APR92110957@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu> razer@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu writes:
>
>When I was in the Navy, I knew several guys who had a chicken tattoo'd
>on one instep, and a pig on the other.  (It's a navy superstition 
>that such tat's will protect you from drowning).  The Tat's 
>were in colour, and looked good.

hmm maybe i oughta conspire with fellow skydiver/artist Stu and come up
with a set of tats that'll prevent us from impacting :-)
we could travel around to all the drop zones and make mega-bucks  >;-}

>The Artful Dodger P65331727@CCIT.Arizona.Edu|Razer@Hacks.Arizona.EDU
>"Can you imagine us years from today, sharing a park bench quietly?
>  How terribly strange to be seventy!"
>		-Paul Simon & Art Garfunkle "Old Friends" _Bookends_

tim
follow the mellow trick-toad
("why do you think it's called *terminal* velocity??")
From: warlock@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: piercing and infections
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:09:18 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

In <MduQY9i00WBO04leRH@andrew.cmu.edu>
af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan S. Ferrency) writes:

% Also, does anyone know if a currently healing pierce or a recently
% healed over failed pierce increases or decreases the chances (or time)
% of another pierce healing well?

        I had heard that this will increase the chances of healing well, if
the pierce is in a different area, since the body will already be up on its
antibodies.  Of course, this may not apply to an infection that's bad enough
to doctoricize you.  In my relatively few piercings, it seemed as if this
piece of 'wisdom' held true.  In fact, such a secondary pierce usually healed
faster for me, too.

warlock@pro-haven.cts.com          Warlock            6 ventilations & 2 tats
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From: batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: right / left conventions and history
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:07:59 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcave.ebay.sun.com

In article <gdt7a6i00Uh7E4HphK@andrew.cmu.edu> af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan S. Ferrency) writes:
>
> 
>>I also have see lots of new and old pictures / engravings of American
>>Indians.  Also, of pirates.  I have noticed that they are depicted with
>>earing on the RIGHT ear.  So!  What's the deal here?
> 
>Who's to say that the native americans and pirates were straight, anyway?


	Actually, there's a considerable amount of evidence (None of
	it conclusive, however) that the bulk of the pirates were
	gay.

	'Men Men Men Men....'
	=B^)

	(Jeff, didn't you just tell me you read a book about this?)




			-Karl

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: lrb@alex.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: foot tattoos
Organization: Robarts Research Institute, London Canada.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:47:21 GMT
Keywords: n

In article <1992Apr12.152824.15630@mercury.cair.du.edu> tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:

>if my leg were shaved for a tat, would hair still grow there normally?
>that would kinda look funny i htink.

all the spots on my calf which have been shaved for tattoos have grown 
back identical to how they were before inking. i saw no effect on hair
growth.

btw -- one of the single most memorable experiances in my life was after i 
first shaved my legs for racing. sliding between the sheets -- WOW. 
definately recommended. 
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Subject: RE: MORE NIPPLE QUESTIONS
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

jrobi@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jim Robinson) writes
>You are an ass and I have written you down as such. Please go away.

If you ever climb down off your childish "College Net" and get on RIME
or FIDOnet or anywhere where a TRUE cross-section of America hangs out,
you'll probably either go away whining that no-one loves you, or else be
crucified on your own petard.
  You take EVERYTHING seriously, and as a personal offense (You meaning
about half of the users of this Conference (or "group" or "whizzbang" or
whatever the Official Techie Words here are).
  Out in the real world (as opposed to the Campus Fairyland) we make
jokes, we explore bad puns, we get weird, and sometimes we disagree with
each other, and get into knock-down dragout arguments. But, for cryin'
out loud we don't pout and whine and get "righteously indignant" over
some damn message ("post", "article")... except for the Fundies... THEY
do that a lot. Jeez!
  Cool out and Get A Life, dude!
From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re:    Anasthetics and piercing
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:30:34 GMT
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <ku3s6qINN4i0@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> elef@smarmy.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>i still say laughing gas would be an interesting anaesthetic to
>try with a piercing.  it certainly takes care of the 'hurts more
>than the piercing itself' argument, but would still need to be
>administered (legally) by a medical personage.    anyone tried
>nitrous oxide with a piercing?
---
	Medical?  Um...just bring in a box of whippets and a balloon!!!

	:-) :-) :-)


william
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: glow in the dark?
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 15:49:21 GMT

has anyone evr gotten/seen/had any experience with glow in the dark
tattoos?

any input appreciated.

tim
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: RE: TATS AND CHLORINE
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:57:57 GMT
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Originator: glp@merlin


In article <404.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us>, ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing)  writes:
|> From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
|> >This is the first I've heard that alcohol has
|> >any effect on tats.  Has anyone else heard this
|> >or did it come from Mr.Sansing's demonstrated
|> >powers of agenda-free observation and deduction?
|> 
|> Excuse me, O Great and Mighty One, for disagreeing with your Divinely
|> Ordained Opinions from On High.

<blather deleted>

|> Several artists I know refuse to work on a drunk.

Of course, the *only* reason is that they will get
a blurry tattoo.  Astounding reasoning.  Another
example of "shrink to fit" facts.

|> I'll dig up some "official quotes" (probably using words like
|> "capillaries" and "pores" that they didn't teach you in remedial
|> drooling school) and post 'em.

Yea, right, at the same time you post your data about
nerve damage and piercings.

I think you're a stupid fool with a lot of attitude
about something you're ignorant of.  You apparently
don't know what an obvious idiot you're being.  My
recommendation would be to shut up and try and learn
something before posting again.  But then, I'm just
playing god.

Oh yea, you've got a problem with criticism, too.

Respond as you like; after I post this I'm hitting
the Author Kill button so as to remove your annoying
clutter.  Get a life, you'll make everyone happier.                                              

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: mlotocky@s.psych.uiuc.edu (MA Lotocky)
Subject: Re: foot tattoos
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:41:55 GMT

dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>I have seen a lot of feet that are tattooed.  Aside from the
>fact that it is excrutiating to get and to heal, there seems
>to be no problem.  That is, as long as you stick to the top of
>the feet.

Well, what I was thinking of was along the outer side of the feet, but
still closer to the top than the side.  Does that still qualify as "the
top"?  And it would be blackwork, prob'ly tribal or celtic.

M.
From: harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: PIERCING JEWELRY (WAS: RE
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:35:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: tfs.1992Apr14.163542.4543
Organization: Black Leather Wings

In article <618.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
> I've seen a lot of male nipple pierces in the magazines that look like
>(forgive me) half-rings of white plastic with ball ends.  Pretty ugly
>stuff IMHO. Is this really plastic, or ivory or something similar?

As I said before, and I'll say just once again, the only materials
I've seen used for piercing jewelry are gold, niobium, and stainless
steel.

The shape you're describing sounds like what's called a "curved
barbell" - the shank of the jewelry subtends about 300 degrees of arc
and there are screw-in balls at both ends.  I've never seen photos of
*any* piercing jewelry that looked white, unless it was really bad
photos of stainless - what magazines were these?


Harry Ugol
harryu@tfs.com

"Briarpatch household rule #4:  Nothing exceeds like excess."
From: warlock@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: tats and acne
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:40:57 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300


        As someone recently wrote, with no response (as yet - of course, by
the time this post gets to r.a.b, there will be, just to make me look bad ;-),
there was a question about how bad, or whether, acne can seriously hurt
tattoos.  I know that I get it sometimes so that it will leave a bit of scar
tissue, but I too was wondering if there was a definitive answer, as my
shoulder tat has already seen a zit or two since I got it over a month ago.
I haven't scratched or picked at it, but I still can't tell if there's any
damage yet ('twas right in the middle of a red flame), but I'll letcha know.

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From: johnf@unix.cis.pitt.edu (<.....>)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: N'Awlins peircers
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:09:36 GMT
Organization: Sb


	The tattoo shop Art Accents has a piercer.  I got my Prince
Albert done while I was down there.  I think she used to pierce in the
Miami area and moved up to New Orleans.  She did a good job on me so I would
reccomend her.  I forget the name of the street the shop is on but it runs
parallel with Bourbon St.  a few blocks over.




       				Jack
From: fd0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Fleur Diana Dragan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: PROBLEM.....
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:35:14 GMT
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Ben, 
Some of us college students have an appreciation of sarcasm that is over
the heads of a lot of "adults", and it periodically gets us into
trouble.  I use adult since that's what you seem to be calling yourself
(no offense intended to other grown up type people).  

Please keep in mind that there is no voice inflection over the net so
sarcasm is harder to detect especially when the poster is not a personal
acquaintance or has posted inflammatory articles before.

And while we're at it, who have you actually made friends with on this
group?  I can't recall a post in your defense so far that wasn't from
you.

Since I am a college student, and many people on here are not, I usually
keep my mouth shut and listen so I can try to understand their point of
view.  You seem to have tried that and decided you didn't like it (i did
see a few civil posts)

Also, most of the college students I know are *quite* aware of the fact
that we do not live in the "real world" and are terrified of leaving
because we are afraid of having to try to be civil to people like you.

If all you want to do is stimulate conversation, perhaps you could try
not to get quite so defensive at other people's requests for support of
claims that go against many people's experience.

Fleur
fleur+@cmu.edu

(there I go, wasting bandwidth with my inexperienced college opinion again)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Questions o'tattoos-Indiana
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 01:17:44 GMT

regarding tat costs - mine was $60 and i think it's great.

someone else mentioned getting two for a total of $60, and he thought they 
great; 
now the shops i've been to had a $20 and a $30 display, with some pretty
frivolous, unimpressive designs, so $60 for 2 , in my ignorant opinion,
is pushing it, but then the tats described sounded rather unlike the 
cheap ones i'm talking about; his sounded pretty nice, really.

visit all the shops you can, the ones around here will have some designs
priced, tho most aren't, but the artist can give you an accurate estimate,
most likely (subject to change, of course)

anyway, in denver you can get some nice work for well under $100

tim