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From: nuke@reed.edu (Bill Newcomb)
Subject: Re: The Clinton Challenge -- ISSUED!!
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:48:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.014144.28177@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:

>the InterNet forum, "talk.politics.drugs."  This newsgroup has
     ^^^^^^^^

Technically speaking, I think you mean Usenet forum. It's a nitpick, tho'.

I hope this proposal comes to fruition. It's a neat idea, and most of the
readers of Usenet are "educated people," so I hope it will hold more sway
than, say, a bunch of protesters getting in some policy advisors face at a
whistle stop. Good Luck!

nuke@reed.edu
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From: rgrand@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 03 Sep 92 02:12 EST
Subject: Re: Ecstacy (X) dangerous? CNN Brit
Nf-ID: #R:q92269.714049150@pbhrzx.uni-pade:789020987:peg:225100143:000:112
Nf-From: peg.pegasus.oz.au!rgrand    Sep  3 02:12:00 1992


See "New Scientist" of 29th August - the cover story is
4 pages of condensed current knowledge of Ecstasy.
Rob.
From: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: hallucinogenic/pseudo-spiritual drugs
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:15:00 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners

In article <1992Aug23.074307.1230@pellns.alleg.edu> kougham@pell4l11.alleg.edu (Michael Koughhan) writes:
>I have found that if one sits around long enough in one area, and really  
>just examines one's mind, one's surroundings and possibly one's own brain  
>and body slip into an altered state of mind quite similar to  
>LSD/mushrooms.  The more this is done, the quicker one can slip into these  
>states and they have no limits.  This is not a campaign for the war  
>against drugs or any bullshit of that sort, just an observation.  Anyone  
>else ever do this?

Sure -- it's called meditation. In all seriousness, I believe it was Andrew
Weil (in _The Natural Mind_, but I could be wrong) who pointed out that a
lot of people go from drugs to meditation, but not a lot of people go from
meditation to drugs... (count me as one of them -- but I would be lying if
I said that I had COMPLETELY comverted! :-))

A *really* good introductory book on meditation (which I read in February
and have been meditation on a semi-daily basis ever since) is _How to
Meditate_ by Lawrence LeShan. It's really easy to read, short (150p), and
interesting even if you never choose to meditate (ie psychology/philosophy
sections are very hip).

And yes, he does mention LSD et al.

>Choose a "path with heart".

Yup. --Erik

-- 
Erik Bailey   | Cambridge Technology Partners | Dislaimer: I speak for myself
              | 301 Vassar St.                | and no one else. Who would
ebail@ctp.com | Cambridge, MA  02139          | want my opinions, anyway?
	/earth is 98% full; please remove any excess inhabitants.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Just Plain LIES!! (was Re: The facts about Roe, Doe, and Colautti)
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:17:55 -0500

dsh@odin.ece.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:


[several exchanges deleted for the sake of brevity]


>I've read and contributed to these newsgroups sporadically for several 
>years now, and I've had a few insults thrown my way. but I've never
>been accused of doctoring quotes or "lying in general".  The people
>here on t.p.d are far more willing to listen to differing opinions
>than talk.abortion readers.  I think that's why I've never heard
>those accusations on t.p.d. 

Doug has a point.  If talk.abortion contributors wish to flense
Doug for comments made there, let them do it there and not here.

Fair is fair.  Besides, it's probably a netiquette violation (for
shame!) to crosspost personal attacks -- unless the crosspost is
to alt.flame, of course.
--
Obligatory Drug comment: Apropos of abortion, if abortion does
become illegal then discussions of RU-486 and its inclusion into
the list of controlled substances will necessarily cause an
overlap of t.a and t.p.d.

-- 
paul hager		hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu

"The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason."
			-- Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G Barrett)
Subject: Re: Holland Drug Classifications
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:30:17 GMT

In <1992Aug24.145616.12757@news.eng.convex.com> gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner) writes:

>In article <1992Aug23.001258.8758@muddcs.claremont.edu> cklausme@jarthur.claremont.edu (Chris Klausmeier) writes:
>>Now, I think this is a fairly good set-up, but I have one problem with it:
>>LSD, mescaline, and psilocybin seen as medium-hard drugs, when peyote and
>>'shrooms are categorized as soft. Aren't the effects of the raw forms
>>similar to the effects of the extracted or synthesized psychedelics?
>	It makes perfect sense.  The natural forms are less potent.
>	If you concentrate or isolate the active ingredient you can
>	make a natural drug rather potent and therefore more dangerous.
>	Think about the difference between coca leaf tea (harmless) and
>	crack (relatively dangerous).

The natural forms are NOT necessarily less potent.  Even if that was the case
you could just take more!  Besides the damage caused by smoking it, is crack
really more harmful than a similar quantity of cocaine consumed in coca tea?

There is very little factual information available on cocaine and crack here.
They're still ranting about 'crack' babies and how terrible it all is.


Swan Wulfgur			I turned silences and nights into words.
				What was unutterable, I wrote down.
brrian04@uctvax.uct.ac.za	I made the whirling world stand still.
ibarrett@zaphod.cs.uct.ac.za		- Arthur Rimbaud
						A Season in Hell

				Swans fly silently to the burning sky.


	Alcohol is a Drug	Caffeine is a Drug 	Nicotine is a Drug

				Are you Anti-Drugs?
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From: petrus@stacken.kth.se (Lars Petrus)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Re: Crime and drug legalization
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:38:24 GMT
Organization: Stacken Computer Club, Stockholm, Sweden

In article fisherm@infonode.ingr.com (Matthew Fisher) writes:
>    I was discussing the ideas in the article with a buddy.  He is totally
>against drug legalization.  I, of course, was arguing for legalization.
>I gave the usual arguements about a decrease in crime, comparison to alchol,
>coherent policy in goverment, etc.  We got off on the decrease in crime 
>arguement.  
>    He claims that crime will not decrease but will simply shift
>in focus.  Crime would shift from drugs to gambling, prostitution or some
>new field.  He claims that the people who are in the drug trade are criminals
>to the bone and will seek a new field if the drug trade become unprofitable. 
>As an example, an under educated, poor, hopeless drug dealer or user from
>south central L. A. is not suddenly going take up compter science because 
>drugs are legal. He will instead find a new black market to make money in. 
>    This is an interesting arguement.  I was unable to refute this arguement.
>What is the Libertarian answer to long term crime in the inner cities?


   1) In a libertarian society there is no such thing as a "black market".
You can trade anything you own with anyone else.

   2) In the case of drug legalization without anything else being changed,
the drug dealers might very well *wish* to switch over to prostitution and
gambling, but I do not see any reason that these markets would suddenly
become bigger. Consumer demand would remain the same.

   The thugs might not take up computer science, but they might start flipping
burgers when there is more money to made there than in crime.



  -  -  -  -
Wise Quote: "You want to know how to paint a perfect painting? It's easy. 
Make yourself perfect and then just paint naturally. That's the way all the 
experts do it." - Robert M Pirsig in ZATAOMM.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: The Clinton Challenge -- ISSUED!!
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:16:55 GMT

In article <Sep.3.15.54.30.1992.7881@turbo.bio.net>, will@turbo.bio.net (Will Nelson) writes:
>Clinton's views on drug use are in his interview in Rolling Stone.
>He does not advocate legalization and proposes boot camps for
>first time offenders.

My friend Johnny M. J. Seede wants to know where these boot camps will be
located.  He says he has some "really wild oats" to sow.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,talk.politics.drugs
From: v113mg59@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ronald T Coslick Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Legal growing in San Francisco (please confirm)
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I've heard a _rumor_ that an individual may now legally grow 3
cannabis plants for personal consumption in San Francisco.  Can
anyone confirm this?

========
RoN
v113mg59@ubvms.bitnet
From: guy.smiley@sesame.st.com
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Speed and alcohol long term use effects question.
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:09:15 GMT

Hi,

   A couple of unrelated questions.

   First off, I know nothing about amphetamine(s??), but my trusty
   Cambridge Encyclopaedia ( a one volume book, but the only reference
   book I possess ) states that continued use of amphetamine can lead
   to formication ( sensation of insects crawling on the skin, not a
   typo. ), paranoia and depression. I have also read that withdrawal
   from long term heavy usage can also lead to these symptoms.  What
   I'm wondering, is what ( if known ) are the physiological reasons
   for these symptoms ( especially the depression ), and why do both a
   depressant and a stimulant cause these effects in the long run?


   Since I don't know anything about speed, would anybody mind filling
   me in on it's structure, effects etc. Also, in Tom Wolfe's book 'The
   Electric Acid Kool-Aid Test' ( haven't got the book handy, and my
   memory isn't the best, so I might have got the title wrong, but you
   know the one, so no flames please, if I'm incorrect ), he states
   that the Merry Pranksters found that a combination of speed and
   grass could produce an acid type experience. Has anybody else found
   this to be the case?


   Finally, I have often seen references to Medline in this group. Is
   this service available to anyone on Internet ? If so, how can it be
   accessed ?


		Thanks, The alt.drugs information leech.

   P.S. I have heard that there can be large quantities of strychnine
   in rat poison. I personally don't believe it, but I have heard from
   a friend that his rat got stomach cramps and died after eating it ?
   Is this possible ?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring)
Subject: Re: Help Me Out Please
Organization: U of Saarbruecken, Dept. of Computational Linguistics
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 09:55:53 GMT

labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche) writes:

>I've also read a long time ago about 'vin mariani(sp)' which was wine
>mixed with cocaine(or coca, not sure which) that was recommended by 
>a pope.  The bottles included his picture on it.  Papal endorsements?
>I've not heard recently of any Papal endorsements for libations.  
>Could you get the name of that Swedish book you mentioned and please 
>get the ISBN number as well?  Waiting for your post, later, Maurice

I am working on it, it could take awhile though. (Holidays here) But you
can remind me every week or so, I'm bound to develop a feeling of guilt
then and just do it. In the meantime you could get the source of your
vin mariani stuff.


     Ulrich Mayring

       - Herr Otto Mol fuehlt sich unwohl am Pol ohne Atomstrom -

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.drugs
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: USEnet and US gov. property (was Re: Satanic Crime)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:45:13 GMT


Just as religious (and antireligious) speech is allowed on sidewalks
and in parks, it is allowed in other government-owned free speech
forums (such as Netnews facilities at a state university).

- Carl

--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: gliesche@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jules D. Gliesche)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Re: Crime and drug legalization
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:29:30 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Aug31.193833.17396@infonode.ingr.com> fisherm@infonode.ingr.com (Matthew Fisher) writes:

>    He claims that crime will not decrease but will simply shift

Of course, since Libertarians don't believe in keeping gambling, prostitution,
etc. illegal, these career criminals won't be able to make a fast buck there,
either. In fact, the only "crimes" remaining would be legitimate aggression
against life and property. Since law enforcement officials would have more time
and resources to go after real crime once they got out of the morality
business, it stands to reason that these career criminal types would stand a
better change of getting caught, because they would no longer be filling a
market demand but rather be committing obvious crimes.

Short answer: I really don't think the kids selling crack are criminals to
the bone. They're poor - and it's an easy buck. Better economic conditions
and non-state-controlled schools would really help here.
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From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Re: Crime and drug legalization
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:31:11 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft
X-Disclaimer: I speak for myself only unless explicitly indicated otherwise

fisherm@infonode.ingr.com (Matthew Fisher) writes:
>As an example, an under educated, poor, hopeless drug dealer or user from
>south central L. A. is not suddenly going take up compter science because drugs 
>are legal. He will instead find a new black market to make money in. 

Like what sort of a new black market?  What other market of easily 
manufactured, high profit margin, high demand, easily transportable,
high value to weight ratio illegal products can your friend think of?  
-- 
"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and 
child." -- Dan Quayle
 
Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com
From: v105kz46@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel G Townsend)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: How to grow mj?
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Keywords:  


         What i need is some basic growing tips for marijuana.
          feel free to send them via mail.
                       thank you in advance.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: Just Plain LIES!! (was Re: The facts about Roe, Doe, and Colautti)
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:43:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.132413.15841@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.041620.12712@watson.ibm.com> 
>margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
>
>> I'm talking about the fact that you have earned a reputation in talk.abortion
>> for being deceitful, for quoting out of context, and for eliding (without
>> warning) material from quoted text.  
>
>This statement is not correct.  Your attempts at character assassination 
>won't win any arguments.

Contrary to Dougie's protests, Dougie is quite incorrect.

DOD (as he is "affectionately" known in talk.abortion -- it stands for "Dear
Old Doug") has exactly the reputation in talk.abortion that is ascribed to
him above.

Whether he *deserves* that reputation is another thing, but I think the
evidence is against him.  If you're curious, try popping over to talk.abortion
and checking.  Although his posts in this newsgroup are probably enough to
convict him.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

Innovation is hard to schedule.
		-- Dan Fylstra
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From: Amiga@cup.portal.com (Philip Barry Kirschner)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Fort Wayne: Landlords Must Evict Drug-Dealing Tenants
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 92 03:14:50 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep01.220738.18378@rchland.ibm.com>

I am not to sure that confiscation or fines within is within the constitution
of the united state's as a person is innocent untill proven guilty under the
law.This law in particular scare's me as all a police agency has to do is,
make an alligation about the tennant.
 
(Philip Kirschner) Portal.Cup.COm I think?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,talk.politics.drugs
From: whg@INEL.GOV (William H. Gray)
Subject: Re: Fort Wayne: Landlords Must Evict Drug-Dealing Tenants
Reply-To: whg@INEL.GOV (William H. Gray)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 02:44:03 GMT

In article <_mvy61p@rpi.edu>,  wrf@ecse.rpi.edu (Wm Randolph Franklin) writes:
|> 
|> In article <=0an3_r.feustel@netcom.com> on Wed, 26 Aug 92 00:59:46 GMT,
|> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
|> 
|>   > The Fort Wayne, IN.  City Council is voting tonight on an ordinance
|>   > providing for fines to be levied against landlords who do not evict
|>   > tenants after the city sends the landlord a letter asserting that drugs
|>   > are being sold in said tenants' apartment. The amount of the proposed
|>   > fines is to range from $500 to $2500/day.
|> 
|> If I remember right, the Buffalo NY version of this calls for
|> confiscation of the building ...

In New York City the principal owner of premises where drugs are dealt is ... (get this)
NEW YORK CITY (mainly properties abandoned either directly or indirectly due to NYC's
idiotic web of ukase, regulation, corruption, etc).  It looks like Ft. Wayne and
Buffalo are looking to get into the same "business". 
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From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Fort Wayne: Landlords Must Evict Drug-Dealing Tenants
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:52:24 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <=0an3_r.feustel@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>August 25, 1992
>
>The Fort Wayne, IN.  City Council is voting tonight on an ordinance
>providing for fines to be levied against landlords who do not evict
>tenants after the city sends the landlord a letter asserting that drugs
>are being sold in said tenants' apartment. The amount of the proposed
>fines is to range from $500 to $2500/day.

This is sensible enough. Retail sales from an apartment will cause lots of
problems for the other residents. That's why we have zoning laws. Of course,
they're going to have to wise up and legalize recreational drugs so that
they can be sold at Revco like they should be.



-- 
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*    bob church                             *
*    bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu           *
*    D-8195 NFS #27                         *
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Yohimbe (Passionflower)
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:43:48 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <2548@news.cerf.net>, cutrell@nic.cerf.net (Doug Cutrell) writes:

A great deal of good info about yohimbe which is definitely worth
reading. (Sorry this is a few days old - I've been off line)

And:

> a couple of dramamine tabs beforehand.  I had what seemed to be
> a bad cross reaction, with strong disorientation and dizziness.  The
> safest thing is to assume that it is an MAOI, but not to rely on the
> fact... i.e. I wouldn't use it specifically for that property (try
> something known to be used for this purpose, such as passionflower).

Has anyone had experience, specifically success, using passionflower
for the purpose of orally activiating tryptamines?
Can anyone give me an accurate estimate of how much is necessary?
I have checked the scientific literature on this, and it is
confused as to what is exactly in passionlower, and how much.
 
> Doug Cutrell
> cutrell@cerf.net

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
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