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From: vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell))
Subject: Re: REGARDING: Transformers come-back!  Finally!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 07:44:25 GMT

In article <C02uqA.45w@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn) writes:
>>>
>>>The problem that I think EVERYBODY had with the animated series
>>>is that HOW THE HELL does Megatron and Soundwave shrink when
>>>they are in desguise mode?
>>
>>Okay.  One more time.  I'm not gonna repeat my entire previous post, but...
>>
>>Don't bother rubbing your eyes.  *YES* --- Megatron and Soundwave and various
>>other Tranformers *DO* change size!  This is not meant to be some kind of
>>subtle trick that the show is trying to pull on you.
>>
>>The reason it seems so damn silly that a two-ton robot can change into a 
>>two-pound hand-held device is that you think to yourself that these are
>>"robots."  They're *not* "robots" in the sense of those two-arms-and-two-legs
>>metal things that people build on earth.  They are Transformers --- and com-
>>paring them to a robot built by earthlings is like comparing a carbon-based
>>life form to a lump of coal.  Same ingredients, but a decidedly different
>>degree of complexity.
>>Megatron has an anti-matter weapon, which he rarely used.  It links up to
>>a black hole, INTERDIMENSIONALLY.  That's right, interdimensionally.  This
>
>You are taking this directly from the Transformer's Universe, right? I was
>never able to find any instances of Megatron using this anti-matter hook
>up, either in the comic or the TV show.

Okay, I admit there was only one instance of Megatron's actually using the
anit-matter hook-up.  It was in an early TV episode.  All I really remember
is that some Decepticon had a glowing energy net over him, and Megatron,
from atop a hill, calls down, "Optimus Prime!  See how my anit-matter gun
eats up energy!"  He then fires some strange beam out of his cannon, which
dissipates (absorbs?) the energy net.
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From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: REGARDING: Transformers come-back!  Finally!
Date: 30 Dec 1992 09:47:26 -0800
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Not to talk about metaphysics in the Transformers mythos, but something
else...

I was flipping through an issue of MARVEL AGE the other day, scanning an
article on life in the G.I. JOE comic. My memory is a little fuzzy (someone
who actually owns the issue want to back me up on this?), but I do believe I
read...

1. The JOE comic is not biting the dust.
2. There is an upcoming reprint of the G.I. JOE vs. TRANSFORMERS limited
    series. Bleagh. No Andrew Wildman art, no Larry Hama or Simon Furman
    writing. Probably avoid this (okay, the new covers will be by Wildman,
    but that's it).
3. Marvel will do a new, "more contemporary", "grittier" version of the
    TRANSFORMERS comic, as a limited series, tying in to unspecified
    Transformer stuff from Hasbro. If it sells well, a new regular series
    may be in the works. This part of my memory is VERY fuzzy, but you get the
    general gist...

No word about any sort of new animated series, but then we're talking about
comic books here, not rec.arts.movies...

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From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Rover Dangerfield on video (!?!)
Date: 29 Dec 92 05:43:07 GMT
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Martin Rose (mfrose@ais.org) wrote:
>Yes, it's true.  Apparently, WB decided to scrub the theatrical release and
>go directly to home video.  It's the same price as the Tiny Toons video;
>twenty bucks.

Actually, ROVER DANGERFIELD did enjoy a _very_ limited theatrical release
during the summer of 1991 before going to home video.

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From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Shallowness in TLM, BATB (Was Re: Cheap Animation)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 15:45:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <BzMCEM.23K@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho) writes:
>
>I liked [Beauty and the Beast] a lot, though more for the visuals than the story.
>What does bother me, though , is-
>if Belle had been a grotesque hag would the Beast have
>taken one look and fled to his tower and locked himself in?

How ugly do you think a person can be? :-)

>With all these protestations about how his looks shouldn't matter, why are
>we constantly reminded about this gorgeous girl, even in her name?
>Seems a tad hyporitical. I suppose making her bookish serves as
>redemption, as does giving her a 'scientist' father.

The message I got was that you could be brainy (or at least bookish)
and beautiful at the same time.  It's fairly clear that this is also
a feminist tale.  Beast obviously wasn't impressed with Belle's
looks in the beginning.  The only time I remember him mentioning it
was when he worried whether such a beautiful woman could see
anything in someone as ugly as he.  That ties into the central focus
of the story!  Disney happened to apply this moral lesson to BOTH
Belle and Beast, rather than only the former.  In the end, Belle sees
through Beast's ugliness (which allows his inner beauty to come forth
physically, figuratively speaking).  Beast did not fall in love with
Belle because of her looks.  She had to be beautiful to provide a
contrast with the ugliness of the Beast.  In Disney's version
specifically, Belle's beauty adds a sense of danger, as Gaston is
obsessively attracted to her (danger that greatly overshadows the
threat from Beauty's sisters in the short French versions).

Disney's story tries to say a lot: "beauty is only skin deep," being
beautiful or a woman or both does not mean that you are stupid, and
something about persecution (some lyrics: "we don't like what we
don't understand, in fact that scares us.").  It's not easy to do,
and I think it works very well.  Even if the audience doesn't think
on so many levels, I think the movie is still superficially entertaining,
which is more than I can say about most "meaningful" movies I've seen.


- Robert Cook
From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Cheap Animation
Date: 22 Dec 1992 15:12:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <BzMBMG.1v6@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho) writes:
>
>Was Rock a Doodle (or whatever, with that Elvis rooster (geez!!)) a
>Bluth offering? 

Yes, and it was pretty bad, IMHO.  Rock-a-Doodle was slated for a
1990, rather than a 1992 release.  Around the time Bluth first came
to Disney as an inbetweener (like an assistant animator), Disney
considered a feature based on Edmond Rostand's play "Chanticleer."
I have no idea whether the stories are similar beyond having a
rooster who believes that he makes the sun rise.  Chanticleer (which
literally means rooster) also happens to be the name of the rooster
in Rock-a-Doodle. ;-)  As a side note, Bluth once announced, after
his permanent split from Disney in 1979, that he would produce a
feature based on Beauty and the Beast.  It's interesting to think what
effect it would have had if he had actually done so.


- Robert Cook
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From: umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho)
Subject: Re: Shallowness in TLM, BATB (Was Re: Cheap Animation)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:30:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.020025.18807@news2.cis.umn.edu> avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
>"Kevin J. Chen" (kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
>>The fact that [the Beast] turned out to be
>>handsome in the end is just the traditional Disney icing on the happy
>>ending cake.
>
>No, more like typical Disney meddling with the original story.
>
>>If you happen to think this kind of romanticism is
>>silly, then so be it, but it is the heart and soul of -- well, at
>>least modern-day depictions -- classic fairy tales.
>
>If that's what you think, then perhaps you should read the original
>stories THE LITTLE MERMAID and BEAUTY AND THE BEAST were based on.
>

I have- Andersen's of TLM and the two original French versions of
BatB (in English translation) I have also read gadzillion children's
versions that have taken liberties equal to Disney's. I would have
much preferred the darker ending to TLM, but the original is *NOT*
a children's tale and Disney's is; unfortunately, that is the price
that the market seems to demand in order to bring a fairy tale
to the screen (Faerie Tale Theatre is widely acclaimed, but it too
is sanitized BTW) The ending in BatB was fairly true, since
the Beast did become a handsome yong man in the French contes.

My personal tastes? I would really like to see some of the more
fantastic, obscure fairy tales , both classic and modern (read
The Golden Key by G. Macdonald) brought to the screen, with 
Disney technical skill but probably not their artists; I want to 
see darker style and coloring, in keeping with some of the
downright
nastiness in some of the tales. And although I enjoy the 
'Broadway musicals', they wouldn't fitin this case.
From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: Galaxy Rangers
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 23:23:41 GMT

In article <C05BML.GJA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:
>>Zachary Taylor was his name, I think.
>Zachary FOXX, Bill.  You know I'm the designed net.rangers.fan.

OK OK, sorry sorry!  I'm allowed a lapse or two, aren't I?!

>Niko,

For some reason I always thought of it as being spelled "Nikko."  Well,
whatever.
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From: Jonathan.Deitch@p7.f411.n133.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jonathan Deitch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Alladin Insides
Date: 27 Dec 92 21:49:20 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:133/411.7 - (GIS)Atlanta, Atlanta GA

Does anyone have a list of the 'in jokes' in Alladin ?

Just to start things off ... (no spoilers here; you'll have to look where
they are yourself ...)

The Magic Kingdom Commercial
Quantum Leap
Various Looney Tunes
Goofey
Pinnochio
Sleeping Beauty
Fantasia (name all the characters quoted)

And so on ...

- Jonathan



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From: umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho)
Subject: Re: Cheap Animation
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:39:51 GMT

In article <1gss51INN9ek@network.ucsd.edu> rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.130136.2546@inland.com> hancock@inland.com (Tom Hancock) writes:
>>In article <DAN.92Dec15143134@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, dan@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes:

[sound of scissors]

>business!) is Thumbelina, even though he has another film that is
>nearly or already complete.  It looks like Bluth wants to take
>advantage of the recent audience interest in fairy tales.  He even
>hired Jodi Benson (voice of Disney's Little Mermaid) to play the title
>role!  He's transformed from a Disney renegade to a Disney wannabe.
>

Was Rock a Doodle (or whatever, with that Elvis rooster (geez!!)) a
Bluth offering? 

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From: vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell))
Subject: Re: REGARDING: Transformers come-back!  Finally!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 01:26:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.025237.3480@midway.uchicago.edu> ttak@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>The problem that I think EVERYBODY had with the animated series
>is that HOW THE HELL does Megatron and Soundwave shrink when
>they are in desguise mode?

Okay.  One more time.  I'm not gonna repeat my entire previous post, but...

Don't bother rubbing your eyes.  *YES* --- Megatron and Soundwave and various
other Tranformers *DO* change size!  This is not meant to be some kind of
subtle trick that the show is trying to pull on you.

The reason it seems so damn silly that a two-ton robot can change into a 
two-pound hand-held device is that you think to yourself that these are
"robots."  They're *not* "robots" in the sense of those two-arms-and-two-legs
metal things that people build on earth.  They are Transformers --- and com-
paring them to a robot built by earthlings is like comparing a carbon-based
life form to a lump of coal.  Same ingredients, but a decidedly different
degree of complexity.
Megatron has an anti-matter weapon, which he rarely used.  It links up to
a black hole, INTERDIMENSIONALLY.  That's right, interdimensionally.  This
ability, if present in some other Transformers (and why shouldn't it be?)
would easily explain changes in mass, as well as where Prime's trailer
goes when he leaves vehicle mode (unless he keeps it around for fighting).
It would even explain where all the weapons go, and how they seem to just
appear when needed.  Ever watch the commercial "bumper" with Autobot Blurr?
It shows his gun materializing in his hand.

The reason Transformers are able to change size is because their internal
workings are way, *way* beyond anything Earth has achieved.  Period.
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Older anime LDs wanted...
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 14:50:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.230823.4779@netcom.com>, pockets@netcom.com (Sean C. Cunningham) writes:
> I'm interested in buying some older anime laserdiscs that I've been unable
> to find around town.  [...]
> 
> The Angel's Egg
> Robot Carnival
> Adieu Galaxy Express 999
> Macross: the Movie (Summer '88)
> Iczer I Acts I-III (I've found II and III but not I)
> Dirty Pair: Project Eden
> Mani, Mani (this is relatively new, but I can't find it)

Most of these are coming out/exist in subtitled or English-dubbed form
in the US, but only on tape.  If you want the import LD:
- Go to rec.arts.anime (the anime newsgroup).
- Ask for the ANIME RESOURCES LIST.
- I personally recommend Mikado-Laser and Manga-chan for hard-to-find LDs.

P.S.  Good luck in finding an ANGEL'S EGG LD.  You're going to need it...
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From: hancock@inland.com (Tom Hancock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: RESCUERS DOWN UNDER
Date: 22 Dec 92 08:24:44 CST
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <1992Dec18.162137.21431@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
> In article <1992Dec17.130136.2546@inland.com>, hancock@inland.com (Tom Hancock) writes:
>> [Parmenator X writes!]
>> > Interesting that no one ever mentions Rescuers Down Under,
>> > which for my money, was the best thing Disney's done in years.  It had
>> 
>> 	I agree.  I call RDU "The Most Underrated Disney Movie".  It is
>> an excellent movie.  As good, in it's own way, as TLM and B&B.
> 
> The animation and direction are certainly top notch, but I didn't care
> much for the plot or the characterizations (unlike, say, THE GREAT
> MOUSE DETECTIVE).
> 
> So what DID you see in RDU other than what I described above?
> --

	I really can't comment on "The Great Mouse Detective", as I've
only seen it once, when it first came out.  We did buy the video -- it's
a Christmas gift for my son, so I'll be watching it again soon :)


> The animation and direction are certainly top notch,

	No argument.

>                                               , but I didn't care
> much for the plot or the characterizations (unlike, say, THE GREAT
> MOUSE DETECTIVE).

	The plots for both were pretty standard.  I contend that, for a
comedy/adventure movie, plot and characterization come secondary to the
action and comedy.  Some of the greatest adventure movies of all time have
very little plot and no characterization or character development --
look at the "Indiana Jones" movies.  All you have to have is a "good
enough" plot to carry the action.  RDU has this.

	BTW, it also has GREAT music.  If you have the tape, check this
out:  the very first sound you hear is also the very last sound you
hear.

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: REGARDING: Transformers come-back!  Finally!
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:44:09 GMT

> 3. Marvel will do a new, "more contemporary", "grittier" version of the
>     TRANSFORMERS comic, as a limited series, tying in to unspecified
>     Transformer stuff from Hasbro. If it sells well, a new regular series
>     may be in the works. This part of my memory is VERY fuzzy, but you get
>     the general gist...

That's TRANSFORMERS: SECOND GENERATION.  Saw an ad on TV today, with some
computer graphics of Optimus Prime fighting some purple jet Decepticon
(sorry, I don't know much about the TRANSFORMERS universe).

The ad ended with "Coming soon, from Marvel Comics."
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From: ttak@ellis.uchicago.edu (toki  takeuchi)
Subject: REGARDING: Transformers come-back!  Finally!
Reply-To: ttak@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:52:37 GMT

It's funny, that I was just telling my friends it was about time
Transformers were brought back out, since the new group of
kids know Batman and TMNT, and not Transformers.

I believe this is the Transformer's THIRD comeback.  I have
an old Japanese ad from 1976 or so, displaying Megatron,
Soundwave (rules!), the original four cassettes, and a few others.
Can't remember.  Great things never die!

The problem that I think EVERYBODY had with the animated series
is that HOW THE HELL does Megatron and Soundwave shrink when
they are in desguise mode?

I was hoping the rerelease would come up with a new storyline
would keep them MICRO-ROBOTS, as they used to be in the original
1970's release.  The mini-cars were meant to be the PENNY RACERS
that were sold in the U.S. in the mid-80's.  The regular cars,
I suppose, were meant to be just toy cars, not full sized ones,
and the same with the decepticons.  Oh well...

They've got to give the new Soundwave, if they give him
the electronic voice, the robot voice.

Cool stuff.

Kenji Takeuchi

P.S.. How about Transformer's the movie!  Great stuff!  What else
has director Nelson Shin made?  Some of the movie was KIDDY,
but much of it was QUALITY, in a sense.
From: shimkevi@acs.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Kevin Kline
Date: 26 Dec 92 22:05:51 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA


>K. Kline writes:
>> I wouldn't call this slapstick-like comedy at all!  Slapstick is like what
>> is in LOONEY TUNES, ....

Yeah! Remember those way cool racial slurs from the old WB cartoons!

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From: djordan@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Danny Jordan)
Subject: Re: Cool World
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 06:59:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.200702.28110@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
>PS: I like it. You like it. Who are the other 8 people? B}
>

  I loved Cool World also, I've seen it four times already. Every time I
 see it I notice little background scenes I didn't notice before.    

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From: pockets@netcom.com (Sean C. Cunningham)
Subject: Older anime LDs wanted...
Organization: Metrolight Studios, L.A.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 23:08:23 GMT

I'm interested in buying some older anime laserdiscs that I've been unable
to find around town.  Some of them I know are out of production.  Anyone 
interested in striking up a deal with me, just send me mail.  Here are the
titles I'm most interested in:

The Angel's Egg
Robot Carnival
Adieu Galaxy Express 999
Macross: the Movie (Summer '88)
Iczer I Acts I-III (I've found II and III but not I)
Dirty Pair: Project Eden
Mani, Mani (this is relatively new, but I can't find it)

Thanks,


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From: bbishop@crusader.torolab.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Cheap Animation
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:53:41 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

>Fievel Goes West is the sequel to An American Tale.  It was not done
>by Bluth, but is solely the product of Amblin Entertainment's
>Amblimation studio.  Don Bluth does not own the rights to any of his
>films or characters, BTW.

I didnt realize that. I guess that explains why I enjoyed that one...
(although Secret of Nhim (sp?) was actually ok to me)... I dont
see how people can sit through Land Before Time, An American Tail,
and the others.
 
Brad