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From: carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: JJJ v MMM and the dangers of jumping to conclusions
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:04:25 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.

In article <leroy.715483193@yak> leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy) writes:
>
>>So jump thee not to conclusions about closed minds ... if I set my
>>drum machine, sampler and synth up properly, I bet I can sound 
>>*just* like every "masterpiece" of originality on JJJ..  what?
>>A guitar did you say? ...  where ???  Man, that takes 2 hands ...
>
>Do it. Your kind's last resort is to say "I could eclipse any music on JJJ on 
>my own." (Much like the 15 guitarists in the lightbulb joke.) But you never do.

opps, no *I* could not,  I've only been playing the humble bass for 2 years..
still only a learner I'm afraid.  But I could get a sampler to duplicate
a lot of the so called "modern"  music reasonably convincingly inside
6 months, with a big budget, especially if it was dance music.  It has it's
place,  but it's not exactly hard to create is it ...

How long does an audio-engineering course take again ?

please note:  I said _duplicate_ not create, I couldn't actually
make something new, or at least, not with the finesse of a creative
musician trained for years on a sequencer and midi ...  



>
>[And, btw, drop the operatic titling: "the dangers of jumping to conclusions."
>Pah! The last thing aus.music needs is to become another outpost of 
>net.teenage.bravado.]

_so_ sorry..  how about "gosh, but I've got a non-JJJ viewpoint and that
might upset a few people so don't bother reading this if you're easily
offended", and anyway, what's wrong with an operatic title?  I know,
no synths in classic opera, that's it isn't it ...


oh, I'm not a teenager either.



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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: stuff and more 'stuff'
Keywords: actually - it's about _that_ sampler again!
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 23:38:32 GMT


OK - this is about the Nu-music sampler thing again - BUT....don't 
flick past this yet...

The Nu-music sampler series 5 is going, it seems to get it's promotion
(distribution wise) going much better than the past.

500 extra CDs are being pressed by Disctronics (no extra charge) for o/s
distribution.  BASF will help put 8000 cassette copies of the sampler
into 'peoples homes' via Myer (junk cassettes??).

Sounds like v.good distribution to me.  Still, shame about the overall
musical quality (to be read objectively please....this does not simply mean 
that I don't like the bands on the sampler.)

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From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Cut+Paste
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:01:32 GMT
Distribution: aus
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carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER) writes:
: In article <1992Sep3.133547.8043@brt.deakin.edu.au> dougcc@brt.deakin.edu.au (Douglas Miller) writes:
: >In article <1992Sep3.002607.29842@mel.dit.csiro.au>, brian@mel.dit.csiro.au
: >(Brian May) writes:
: >
: >> In article <1992Sep2.235729.29331@mel.dit.csiro.au>,
: >> brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) writes:
: >> |> 'cut + paste' music started with sampling technology (right?)
: >> 
: >> Wrong Brian!  Actually, WS Burroughs started experimenting with cut up 
: >> tapes in the 50's, it just took until the 80's to reach 'popular' music.
: >
: >Does Burroughs' audio cut-ups qualify as music (rather than text)?  Anyway,
: >cut and paste music started a earlier than this.  "Musique concrete" was
: >being created shortly after the invention of the tape recorder.
: 
: indeed, anyone who's heard Sargent Pepper has heard lots of it.
: Do the kiddies remember that album?  :)
: 
: >
: >I've always thought it silly that the rise in popularity of cut & paste
: >music in the 80's was attributed to the advent of cheap digital samplers,
: >when it has been possible for decades with nothing more sophisticated than
: >a reel to reel recorder and a razor blade, or (if that seems too manual)
: >track bouncing on a multi-track recorder.
: 
: but it takes time and care, unlike a sequencer!
:

	This would have to be the stupist thing I've heard anywhere.

	Not sure where this idea of sequencers sequencing themself to a 
good groove comes from - but it is wrong.

	I think it probably ranks up there with the 
		"my kid cold painted that"
	response to a non-photographic peice of art.
 
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From: derbyc@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Derby Chang)
Subject: Re: The Tin Lids Schlock File
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:44:05 GMT

I left out a word...

The song `School' was a collaboration between Barnesy's kid and the kids of
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lead singer of Yothu Yindi.
From: hamish@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au (Hamish Moffatt)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Freddy Mercury!?!?!
Date: 28 Aug 92 07:35:20 GMT

Hello Carl_Ivan!

Wednesday August 12 1992 03:49, Carl_Ivan BREWER wrote:

 CB> no, he's an AI running on a poorly coded 8088 ..  :)
 CB> Bring back Basia  ....

You can have my XT for a grand.. fair deal? :-)


Regards,
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From: derbyc@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Derby Chang)
Subject: Alternative to what?
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:03:27 GMT



New thread:

How do they decide what goes onto an alternative chart list??

It can't be because the group is simply on an independent label, otherwise
we would no longer see the likes of the Pixies, or the Cocteau Twins ( who
have both left 4AD to join Sony, I think ), and Ride are on the same label
as Madonna.  Is it dependent on how many units they shift in independent
record stores, or that they don't have Phil Collins or Mark Knopfler as
guest musician? (I don't really need a smiley here, its pretty obvious).

Or, what scares me the most, is there some diembodied guru somewhere
deciding who is an `indie' and who is not?  And what happens when someone
does a Frente, and even the HMV record store DJ starts playing them?  Do
they still qualify to be on the alternative charts?


Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Sundays new LP, Headless Chickens
Keywords: bloody record companies
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 06:50:59 GMT


Hello,

someone asked when Sundays LP was due out.  I see it was _supposed_ to be released
this month in the US.  Maybe it will finally come out next month...and then be
released here for Christmas (as Oz pressings do sometimes tend to take a tedious
amount of time to appear from o/s artistes)


Headless Chickens: (angry bit)

Their album "Body Blow" has been on sale in the US for a while.  It is not 
available here.  The date on the back says 1991 - Festival/Flying Nun.
Ridiculous eh?  Wait a year for an album by a band that comes from 'just over
the Tasman'!

What do the record companies do instead?  release 2^n remixes of Cruise Control,
then an EP (from the album) whilst the albums gather dust on Festival's shelves.

What's the album like?  Not that special actually.  Most of the songs are fairly
lazy technology influenced songs with  lazy power chords.  Gaskrankinstation
is also on there.  One song called "Railway Surfing" isn't too bad.  Still,
pretty dark music (as is most of theirs - apart from cruise control).

Summary: not really worth the wait (it's still not for sale in Oz)

brian
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From: geoff@alsvid.une.edu.au (Geoff Hill)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: CLOUDS Drummer ?
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:01:23 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

Hello,
I've heard a rumour that Andrew Byrne, one time drummmer with _THE MOFFS_ has
taken Stuart Eadies place in CLOUDS.

Can anyone confirm or otherwise this rumour ?

Thanks :)
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From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: The Orb - locally released
Keywords: u f o r b
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 00:11:47 GMT


The Orb have released their new album "U f o r b" (or however it's supposed
to be written) locally (ie 'normal' price)

Those that have waited due to exorbitant import prices can now go get it.

As for the album itself..much more varied that their last album.  It's still
very ambient, trippy, dubby, hippy and danceable - in phases.

Towers Of Dub is an excellent mix of dub reggae & ambient dance music.

brian
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From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: MMM
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:27:35 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)


In article <9224022.28084@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER) writes:
|> In article <6311@otc.otca.oz> brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:
|> >MMM are a complete and utter JOKE!

|> >"Rock of the '90s" is their call sign.  And what do they play *immediately*
|> >after this?  Creedance Clearwater, Daddy Cool, and 10CC.  MMM YOU ARE A FARCE!
|> 
|> misrepresentative sample, is L7 from the 60's???  
|>
 
His point is what they play _right after_ their jingle - not their entire
playlist.

|> ahh, JJJ, radio for arts students and the imbecellic..  :)

I don't think JJJ is that fantastic but you could also call the MMM's of
Australia:

radio for the mindless, unadventurous, retrospective commerce fodder.
 
|> I just so love those pseudo-original bands (PWEI etc) that 
|> seems to be JJJ's main fare...  calling that drivel "from the 90's
|> is more dishonest than MMM ....

Ahem - Rock?  Origional?  _Pseudo-original_?  Snigger!  "Progressive rock" -
now there's a contradiction :)  Maybe "progressive" just refers to the chords?

brian
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From: Robert.Winkel@p2.f158.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Robert Winkel)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Queen
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:54:02 +1000

Anyone tell me about this CD ? I have never heard of it before today, it is a
'77 release, and it's title is something similar to Saturday Night Live.
ciao. 
 

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield)
Subject: Re: Del Amitri
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:02:10 GMT

ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson) writes:

>Im looking for reviews on Del Amitris new album.

>Is it as good as their last, "Waking Hours"

IMHO, no -- but it is really growing on me. In the final analysis, it
compares very favourably (I'd better admit that I think "Waking Hours"
is a great album, and I was expecting it to be a hard act to follow,
so I'm possibly biassed).

I think "Change Everything" is less well balanced than "Waking Hours".
Many of the themes are similar -- almost all of the songs are of the
'adult love gone astray' variety that characterised a number of the
tracks on "Waking Hours". The previous album balanced these nicely
with songs with more positive themes, and a couple of tracks which
touched on wider social issues. I don't think the music is as well-
crafted either -- the new album doesn't seem to have quite the
variety overall.

On the other hand, it has it's moments. The single "Always the Last
to Know" carries a kind of wry humour. "Just Like a Man" and "Behind
the Fool" (I think -- I'm doing these titles from memory) are catchy,
up tempo numbers which critically assess the ways in which men approach
relationships. "I Won't Take the Blame" is also very catchy, and takes
a very positive view of a relationship breakup. Some tracks are a
little too cynical -- particularly "The First Rule of Love", which
goes way too far, although I can imagine some people listening with
grave seriousness and nodding "How true, how true..." :-)

As I said -- it's grown on me. Objectively speaking, I can't imagine
ever thinking that it is a better album than "Waking Hours", but if
you liked that album, there is no reason why you wouldn't like
"Change Everything". If you liked "Waking Hours" as much as I did,
then expect to be a little disappointed, and be prepared to give
it time. Do what I did -- buy the CD, tape it, and listen to it
two or three times through in the car :-)

Now for a question from me. Del Amitri released a self-titled album
previous to "Waking Hours" (around 1985-86). I've seen it, but never
heard it. Is there anybody who could review this for us?

Mark.
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Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
From: rdb147t@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Joel Hynoski)
Subject: Re: CHART: Top 10 singles -> Australia.
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:03:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.072430.11001@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> mvc@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Min Vui Chan) writes:
>jamie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Jamie Scuglia) writes:
>
>: 1. ( 1) AMIGOS PARA SIEMPRE - Jose Carreras and Sarah Brightman
>:         (FRIENDS FOR LIFE)                      [3 weeks at #1]
>: 
>: (1)---> For the third week in a row, Jose Carreras and Sarah Brightman
>: are the proud owners of the number one single in Australia - AMIGOS
>: PARA SIEMPRE (FRIENDS FOR LIFE).  While this single is selling by the
>: truck-loads here, most (if not all) radio stations in Australia
>: refuse to play the single - even though it is at number one.  And
>: countdown shows like TAKE 40 AUSTRALIA and THE ROCK 40 COUNTDOWN
>: refuse to play more than 15 seconds of the biggest selling song
>: of the week.  I have never seen such prejudice by radio to a number
>: one song - excluding it from countdowns is really ridiculous, considering
>: how popular the song is internationally due to the Olympics at Barcelona.
>: It is not an "offensive" song, it does not contain explicit lyrics,
>: and its video is not X-rated, hence the song should not be ignored
>: due to the fact that it is a bit opera-orientated.  Jose's current
>: album, FRIENDS FOR LIFE, is one of the biggest selling albums of the week,
>: and he has also topped the albums charts before, so there are a lot
>: of people out there that like his work.  The soundtrack to Phantom Of The Opera
>: (featuring Sarah Brightman) has also sold well, so radio should realize
>: that there is support for this single and the artists involved.
>: While I am NOT a big fan of opera myself, I do like AMIGOS PARA SIEMPRE -
>: and I believe that it *DOES* have wide-spread appeal.  It really
>: disappoints me to see music like that ignored by radio, to such an extent
>: that even countdown shows will not play it.
>: 
>Ain't that the truth!!! Stuff the radio stations! We'll show them!
>

While I have no objection to operatic-type songs, in fact I enjoy much
Classical music (and have studied same), this song is pretty much trash, 
simply spurred on by the fact that (a) It was the Olympics Theme song
(b) Jose Carreras & Sarah Brightman, two phenomenally successful singers due
to their operas and of course, Phantom and (c) Andrew Lloyd Webber *ugh* wrote
it and the Phantom/Evita/Jesus Christ Superstar/Cats/Starlight Express success
lingers on. 

Other than this, the song is mule puke. Andrew Lloyd Webber is the whore
of the music industry, and is prostituting both popular and opera styles.

This is all condescendingly stated IMHO.

Joel.

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Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
From: jamie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Jamie Scuglia)
Subject: CHART: NZ albums and singles
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:22:40 GMT


Here is the NZ singles and Albums chart, kindly
sent to me from some great people in NZ.  Enjoy!

Singles:

   TW   LW         Title/Artist
   --   --         ------------
    1    1          Achy Breaky Heart - Billy Ray Cyrus
    2    3         Humpin' Around - Bobby Brown    
    3    6         Warm It Up - Kris Kross
    4    7         Baby Got Back - Sir Mix-A-Lot       
    5    5         Best Things - L Vandross/J Jackson
    6    4         I'll Be There - Mariah Carey        
    7   12         Beauty And The Beast - Celine Dion and Peabo Bryson   
    8    9         Isabelle - Greg Johnson Set.
    9    -         This Used To Be My Playground - Madonna       
   10   16         Please Don't go - K.W.S

   11    8         Nature - The Mutton Birds
   12    -         I Don't Care - Shakespear's Sister
   13   13         Tennessee - Arrested Development     
   14   19         Life Is A Highway - Tom Cochrane
   15   11         Jam - Michael Jackson
   16   14         November Rain - Gn'R
   17    -         Knockin' On Heaven's Door - Guns n' Roses  
   18    -         Give him something - En Vogue.
   19   10         Too Funky - George Michael (g)        
   20    2         You make the Whole - Gamble/Red Nose


   TW   LW        Title/Artist
   --   --        ------------

    1    -         Unplugged - Eric Clapton
    2    2         The Mutton Birds
    3    9         Welcome To Wherever You Are - INXS (AUS) (g)  
    4    1         MTV Unplugged - Mariah Carey.
    5    4         Greatest Hits 1966-1992 - Neil Diamond (pp)   
    6    3         Night Calls - Joe Cocker  
    7    -         Blood Sugar Sex Magik - Red Hot Chili Peppers (pp)    
    8    6         Kantuta - Kantuta.
    9    5         Countdown to Extinction - Megadeath 
   10   15         Completely Hooked - Dr Hook

   11   11         BADMOTORFINGER - Soundgarden
   12   18         Back To Front - Lionel Richie (pp)          
   13   13         Form One Planet - Rockmelons (AUS) (g)            
   14    -         Best of - Ruby Turner.
   15   17         Wish - The Cure (g)   
   16    8         Angel Dust - Faith No More (g)
   17    7         The One - Elton John (p)        
   18    -         Stars - Simply Red (p)
   19   19         Dirty - Sonic Youth  
   20    -         After Hours - Gary Moore.


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From: craigb@resmel.bhp.com.au (Craig Blundell)
Subject: Re: MMM
Organization: BHP Research - Melbourne Laboratories, AUSTRALIA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:01:33 GMT

brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:

>MMM are a complete and utter JOKE!

>"Rock of the '90s" is their call sign.  And what do they play *immediately*
>after this?  Creedance Clearwater, Daddy Cool, and 10CC.  MMM YOU ARE A FARCE!

>I really feel like ringing up their advocacy line and giving them both
>barrels.  They should be sued for false representation.

>Lite 'n' Easy MMM would be more appropriate.

>No wonder I prefer JJJ.

Solution 1: Listen to JJJ

Solution 2: Move to Melbourne and listen to RRR or PBS (both of which PISS 
            on JJJ (IMAO - in my arrogant opinion :-)


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From: t9114182@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: The Chills, The Cure
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:33:51 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <9224116.21106@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, gifford@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (Jonathan Gifford) writes:
> 
> On now to something different - did anyone see the Cure, and were they
> worth seeing? I haven't really heard anything from them lately that
> would make me want to dish out loads of money to go see them, so I
> stayed at home... Comments anyone?
> 

You missed an extremly good concert.  The light show was very good as well
as the music.  The chills would have play for about an hour for $20

The Cure played for two and half to three hours for (approx) $45
You can see that The Cure was worth it money wise.

They played at least three songs of each record.

A show not to be missed...  I recommend to see them at 
The Tennis Centre on Sep 3th 1992 in Melb.

(At the moment I'm listing to the clear recording of Monday's preformance.)

> 
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