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From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: Forgotten Heroes
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:58:02 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <1992Apr13.194658.29627@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas P. Johnston)

> ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) writes:

> My candidates for a new Forgotten Heroes group:
> 1.  Black Lightning
> 2.  Creeper
> 3.  Captain Marvel
> 4.  El Diablo
> 5.  Hawk & Dove
> 6.  Black Orchid
> 7.  Vixen
> 8.  anyone from Infinity, Inc. or Helix

> I think that DC has misused/underused all of these characters to a
> magnificent level.

Vixen has not become a forgotten hero; she has been spotted in Suicide
Squad, The Flash & Animal Man.

Nver picked up El Diablo due to money crunch. Hopefully will be in
the back issur bin.

Unless a character is integrated into another book (thanks John O!)
when a character's book is eliminated typically references to
the character are minimal unless a particular writer/artist
likes it.

Example: Booster Gold, Blue Beetle & Mister Miracle were integrated in
to the JL before their books demise so will continue as guest stars.

Example: Black Orchid, despite being temporary with (not part of) the
Suicide Squad fades away after her series.

Example: Infinity Inc members (except for a 2 parter in Superman)
are gone despite a big deal about them being "LA's Superteam"

[ Whatever happened to the Helix mini-series anyways? ]

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From: RCARR00@ricevm1.rice.edu (Rick Carroll)
Subject: Re: adamantium
Organization: Rice University, Houston, TX
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:17:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.213623.11013@ms.uky.edu>
uk02700@nx05.mik.uky.edu (mitchell e french) writes:

>
>In article <1992Apr13.183731.6138@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
>rymarz@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Daniel Rymarz) writes:
>> What is the tensile strength of adamantium?
>> Brinnel hardness?
>> Izod impact?
>> Modulus of elasticity?
>> Melting point?
>>
>> How do you sharpen adamantium claws?
>>
>> How unbreakable is unbreakable? Could you drop a tank of Wolverine and
>> have him come out smelling like a rose?
>>
>>
>> 	
>	According to the Handbook of the Marvel Universe, adamantium just
>doesn't change after it hardens.  It can't break, it can't bend, it can't
>be screwed with in any fashion.  They even say that it won't flow if it
>does melt.
>	Thus, adamantium claws never get dull, so they need no sharpening.
>	You could drop a tank on Wolvie and he would be smushed somewhat.
>His bones would not break.
>
Of course, in the most recent Guardians of the Galaxy, Rancor threatens one
of the Guardians with "the severed claw of her ancestor", i.e. Wolverine.
Fire that continuity man.  ;-)

RIC
From: tap1040@venus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: General Editorial plans for '92
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:10:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <x89t8k+@rpi.edu>, bulloj@aix.rpi.edu writes...
>In article <1992Apr13.230415.1591@HQ.Ileaf.COM> tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) writes:
>>JUSTICE LEAGUE TASK FORCE will be written by David Michelinie and will have
> .....deletions.....
>What else has David Micheline written? The name sounds familiar, but
>I can't attach it to anything more specific...
> 
>Peace,
>John Bullough
>bulloj@rpi.edu


Well, he's written The Amazing Spider-man for the last several years for one.

________________________________________________________________________________

                                 -SPEED RACER-                    
                                     Tracy      
                              Texas A&M University
                                   WHOOP!!!!
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Mutant: question
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:04:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsu.1992Apr8.070426.16784
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

>: I agree.....Wolvie and Cyclops are NOT very powerful.  But there is
>: a perception by some that they are.  Maybe this is just the confusion
>
Well in What IF? 31(orig.series) cyclops (w/ Havok and Polaris) were called the
3 most powerful X-men(evreyone else had just been killed by Dark Phoenix)
It's a good issue--check it out
>
>mean, look at Cable or Longshot or Bishop for that matter... Sheesh,
                        ^^^^^^^^
>doesn't anybody like doing origin stories anymore? I wanna see someone
>show up, with his identity explained and not able to take out everybody

Longshot's origin was explained in his mini-series. Since that's when he was introduced, he was never really "a mystery"  it's just Bob Harris' refusal to read
earlier stories that let garbage like SHATTERSHOT be printed.

------SCAVENGER

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get a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson  |
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to make crack look like Sanka. -  Dennis Miller| there you are."-Buckaroo Banzai
From: matmnb@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Snake Eyes
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:44:44 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

Just a brief recommendation of _Snake Eyes_ #2, published by Fantagraphics.

This is a magazine-size 100 page square-bound anthology featuring some of
the leading cartoonists from the U.S. The highlight of the issue is
a 26-page story by Kaz, set in his wonderfully surreal universe. There are
also stories by Julie Doucet, Kristine Kryttre (a very amusing 1-pager),
Mark Beyer (an "Amy and Jordan" story; one of his most innovative pieces
to date), and Jonathan Rosen (an amazing cartoonist, whose strange,
alienating work seems like a cross between pulp illustrations of the '30s
and Hyronemous Bosch) among others, as well as some clever 1-page
deconstructions of the gag cartoon by Mark Newgarden.

I really enjoyed this book, and strongly recommend it to those who enjoy
thought-provoking alternative comics. Almost as good as _Raw_...

.......Marcus Brazil......
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,alt.manga
From: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Subject: Re: The rec.arts.{comics.}manga wars continue
Reply-To: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 06:33:22 GMT


thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes:
>>> they walk like comics, they talk like comics, they smell like comics --
>>> so they're *comics*.   
>>
>> Corrections, *comics* walks like manga, *comics* smell like manga -- so
>> *comics* are mangas.  (this also works, ne?)   

This is asinine.  Absolutely, completely asinine.  I can't think of another
word to describe it.

If comics == manga, then you're creating a redundant group.  If the two are
one and the same, then the group exists already: rec.arts.comics.

[tongue-in-cheek mode ON]
Gee, will I get flamed off the net if I start a discussion of Legion of
Super-Heroes in rec.arts.manga?  Why?  You just said comics are manga.
[tongue-in-cheek mode OFF]

If we wish to be as "hierarchially perfect" as possible, it is fairly
clear that the proposed rec.arts.manga is a subset of rec.arts.comics.
There is nothing in the charter of rec.arts.comics restricting the group
to the American continent.  That's just the most numerous posting group,
and the most popular subject.  British titles do show up occasionally.
Rec.arts.manga, on the other hand, would be restricted to Asian, mostly
Japanese, comics.  Since we all seem to agree that the only difference
between comics and manga, IF ANY, is the continent it originates on, then
the manga group should be a subset of the comics group.

The only reason I can see that some would be strongly against putting the
group under comics is ego:  perhaps some manga fans find the concept of
being grouped together with mere "comics" insulting.  Or perhaps they 
don't like this idea that manga is a mere subset of comics, despite the
fact that, as I said, geographical restrictions are only placed on one.
That the case?  Here's a solution:  rec.arts.comics.asian or rec.arts.
comics.japanese.  I have no doubt that people will hate this, since it
doesn't contain the magic word "manga".

Since I'm certain that many readers have their fingers hovering over the
"F" key, just itching to write nasty followups, let me say that I happen
to be a fan of manga, although monetary and time restrictions limit me
to the translated stuff.  I just think folks are awfully full of themselves
when they insist manga must be kept separate from American comics.

Side note:  technically, rec.arts.anime should be rec.arts.animation.anime,
but hey, r.a.anime got there first.  :-)

			---------- Ryan Mathews
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From: maguire@chopin.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Subject: Re: ALAN MOORE KNOWS *WHAT* SCORE??
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:21:09 GMT


Another PWEI tidbit I just remembered:  another song on the same album 
has "gimme Big Mac, fries to go, gimme Big Mac, gimme fries to go ....
WATCHMEN!  love you all"  as part of the chorus.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Kevin Maguire			No, not THAT Kevin Maguire.
maguire@chopin.jpl.nasa.gov	I'm a rocket scientist, not an artist
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: SQUID: 2nd t-shirt run info
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:26:56 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Apr8.052537.718@HQ.Ileaf.COM>, tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) writes:
> 
> I've talked with both Eddie Maise and Ty Templeton, and we're ready to
> start up towards doing a second run of Suicide Squid t-shirts.

Thomas Young Galloway is insane.  I really respect that.

-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		   Disclaimer:  You're not dealing with AT&T.
From: vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu (Phred T. Platypus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Detective 644
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:48:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Apr10.191424.12584@cis.ohio-state.edu> scott@cis.ohio-state.edu (Scott E. Rice) writes:
>
>Detective 644 was great.  The story and art are fantastic.  I love the new
>Robin.  The character is shaping a lot better than I had hoped. The plot was 
>one of the better Bats I have read in a while.  Tim is becoming the worlds 
>second best detective, after Batman of course.  I also like the idea of two 
>
    Maybe the third greatest.  Bats is #1, Nightwing is #2.  Actually,
 I think there are many other detectives better than Tim Drake:  
 Elongated Man, the Human Target, Batgirl, etc.  I doubt he's in the
 top ten, yet.

>Give Robin his own series and long lives Bats
>  
   Screw Robin.  Give Nightwing his series first!

-- 
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 important things in life?  Absolutely. _\_\  _/_/  Grammarian of Vengeance
 But the lack of it is even likelier     _\_\_/_/ [ vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu ]
 to drive you nuts." -- Harlan Ellison    _\_/       Vincent J. Murphy
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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Best PAD/Worst PAD etc etc
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 23:24:40 GMT

Sorry about double messages if they're occurring, but my news server's been
acting kinda wiggy lately...even moreso than usual.  I'm expecting an account
on an external (government) system soon, so this may all change...

In article <57081@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>Re:  Jim Cowling's post.
>
>Just to keep the record straight--I take responsibility for anything I wrote
>(although I'd disagree with some assessments, but that's a matter of opinion)
>but not for what I didn't write.  If you didn't like the dialogue for 
>that one issue of Starman, then mea culpa.  But I didn't do the plot--that
>was Keith Giffen.  The only plot element I introduced was the notion that 
>there was an off-camera narrator called "The Swatcher," which I added to
>try and give the story more cohesion.  If *that's* the cliched element
>you didn't like, then I cop to it.  

No, actually, I thought "The Swatcher" was humourous.  So I can't blame you
for the cliched plot elements.  The dialogue was humourous.  Like I said, I
thought the story was over-par PAD with some minor grumbles.

If I may ask you something:  was the Wolverine serial (with Cyber) one of your
first serials?  (Or could anyone else answer this, if they know?)

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Creative Writing Department     |   have to shoot _you_ now', it's 'he doesn't
University of Victoria          |   have to shoot _me_ now'.  Well, I say he
Opinions Disassociated          |   _does_ have to shoot me now.  So shoot me
Fnord                           |   now!!"   -the immortal D. Duck
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From: jcowling@butterfly.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: From Doug Atkinson: The New Mutants
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:06:23 GMT
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada

In article <dbpjgmd.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>douga@yang.earlham.edu:
>>
>>PREMISE: The New Mutants as once they were...
>
>>Magma
>>Changeling
>>Kevin
>>Sensor
>>Vector
>>Ultimate
>>Dusk
>>Force
>
>Is there any reason to call this group "New Mutants"?

I couldn't see any, either.  Other than Magma, there aren't any NMs in the 
group...and although I thought the Derleth reference was cute, I didn't see
the point.  All I got out of it was a bunch of costumed role-playing
characters, but no real "characters" in and of themselves.

------
Jim Cowling			|  "Ha!  Pronoun trouble.  It's not 'he doesn't
Creative Writing Department     |   have to shoot _you_ now', it's 'he doesn't
University of Victoria          |   have to shoot _me_ now'.  Well, I say he
Opinions Disassociated          |   _does_ have to shoot me now.  So shoot me
Fnord                           |   now!!"   -the immortal D. Duck
------
From: morrow@fnala.fnal.gov (I Elmo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: LSH: Editorial Plans for '92
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:31:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: fnala.1992Apr14.163101.1
Organization: bim bim bim!


	Unbelievable.  If the Legionnaires book goes through as written, I will
drop the whole group of titles immediately.  I may do so anyway, and I'm
certainly going to write DC (direct to Dick Giordano) and tirade against their
plans.
-- 
"On the campaign trail, the President tends to jerk his arms around a lot and
 speak in little bursts of sentence fragments that sound as if they might be
 part of some other conversation carried on by two other people somewhere else 
 on a different subject."
--Calvin Trillin

elmo (morrow@fnal.fnal.gov,morrow@physics.rice.edu)
From: jbritz@brahms.udel.edu (Joseph Edward Britz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: X comment
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:05:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Delaware


  Here are some X-title comments I just have to get out of my head.

	Has anyone noticed that Collosus is not getting much exposure in 
	the X-men title.  

	Is it true that the New Mutants vol 2 is coming and do you think that 
	Jubilee will be grouped to that team.  

	A comment about X-force (please no flames I kind of like the book)
	  Sam Guthrie- he is a highlord and one of the fabled twelve
		       does anyone think that some to the fabled twelve 
		       could also be Highlords as well?
		       ex: Jean Grey died numerous of times
          who is the Highlord Krule my best bet is maybe Tolliver? 
	  (see current X-force issue)
	  What the hell ever happened to Toad in the recent BOEM attack on 
	  X-force
	  I thought Rictor was in Genosha
	  (Rob screwed up again?!)
	  What could Dominoes mutant power be Luck?

	  By the way I hope Rahne kills feral Please if any of the new staff of          X-force please let Rahn kill her . she is a cross between Wolverine and
          I dont know the Woman from Fatal Attraction what is her name the 
	  nut case kill her. let Havok melt her into a pile of fur and if he has 
	  to do it nine times do it because I want her not coming back in twelve          issues later
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 09:26:21 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: X-Force: How to fix it.....

Thought we might stazrt this going as a thread.
Since many of us think the X-Force storyline stinks so far, what would you
do if given command of the book.  Killing all the characters and starting
with New Mutants #101 doesn't count.  You have to work with what you have and
make it something good.  Yes, this is a challenge, but what would you do?
It seems with the new Highlords thing, Marvel has decided to step in and keep
Robbie from doing any more damage than he already has.  They've handed the
Cable: Highlords miniseries to Nicieza.  The latest X-Force features pencils
by a Robbie look-alike with a difference...he has just a bit more of a clue
about body proportions, but not too much more.  So get to work and come up
with something.  Make this Highlords thing (ugh!) and the characters available
work for you!  Oh, yeah....Rictor's back.

  _____)           ______        _)       _)  EAO102@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
                               __       __    Ernie "SHOKK" Oporto
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Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics:12526 alt.manga:1230
From: ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu (david mou)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,alt.manga
Subject: Re: Ninja High School and LUM URUSEI YATSURA
Date: 9 Apr 1992 06:45:41 GMT
Organization: studio 3x3, a.b.
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu


In a strange way, Compiler looks like Ninja High School.  Although he's no main
character, Toshi reminds me of Jeremy.  His school does get blown up quite a
few times too.  Then again, meek guy suddenly gets lucky with pretty girls is 
a popular theme in shonen mangas.  (In shojo the genders are reversed.)  NHS's
punchlines come from anime in-jokes.  That you don't find in too many mangas.

-- 
                                                                         o
    davmou@ocf.berkeley.edu  ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu   studio 3x3  ^ ^

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From: winfia@vccnorthe.its.rpi.edu (Anthony Edward Winfield)
Subject: Re: adamantium
Keywords: sdrowyeK
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:55:40 GMT

rymarz@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Daniel Rymarz) writes:

>What is the tensile strength of adamantium?
>Brinnel hardness?
>Izod impact?
>Modulus of elasticity?
>Melting point? 

>How do you sharpen adamantium claws?

>How unbreakable is unbreakable? Could you drop a tank of Wolverine and 
>have him come out smelling like a rose?


>	
How would you dull it for it to need sharpening?  :-)
                           Tone
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From: francis@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (RD Francis)
Subject: MUTANT:  Rogue's powers
Originator: francis@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: Ohio State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:31:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.162959.4573@wpi.WPI.EDU> paladin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike being...) writes:
 Rogue....
	people who are immune... well.. Loki was only partially drained... as
   was Mojo... and mephisto.... others that i have seen are wonder man, as he
   is an energy being,  and the vision (tho he ain't alive) other than that i
   have not seen any others...

She seems to be able to pick up certain sorcerous abilities as well;
in MARVEL TEAM-UP 150, she siphoned off part of the Juggernaut's
powers, but was overwhelmed by said power (as opposed to by Cain
Marko's persona itself, as I recall).

To me, this implies that (given she can steal both natural and
acquired abilites, as well as memories) she could absorb Dr. Strange's
abilities.  If there's is something unique to his physiognomy that
allows him to cast spells, she would be able to duplicate it.  To the
extent that his spell-casting abilities are based on his knowledge,
she have that as well.  The only potential stopping block I can think
of would be *organizing* the knowledge quickly enough to act on it.
-- 
R David Francis                         (Alternate addresses): rdf+@osu.edu
                                                            osu-cis!francis
B:If you can't believe what you read in a comic book, what can you believe?
R:Oh, Bullwinkle!           B:It's enough to destroy a young moose's faith.
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From: William R Thompson <wthomps@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: Shattershot pt.4/X-Force Annual #1
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:19:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr1.120607.2554@vax1.umkc.edu> you write:
>
>  And who is Powerpax?  Is she someone related to the Power Pack?  Is it Julie
>after she's grown up some?  The symbolson her jacket looked like the 
>uniforms the kids wore in that series. (I never read the last issues so I dont
>know their fate.)
>
>+===============================================+
>|Chris Bjuland                                  |
>|                                               |
>|bjuland@umkcvax1          bjuland@vax1.umkc.edu|
>+===============================================+
>

I don't think Powerpax is Julie Power, mainly because she
was referred to as "Frankie."  But she does have some sort
of relation to Power Pack, and I agree it was handled 
poorly.

--The Rook
  <wthomps@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

" 'You _must_ be joking.' "
    --Vicki Vale, _Batman_


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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Any Good Comics Left?
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 00:06:53 GMT

I'm getting fewer & fewer comics each month.

Are there any good ones left? Any recommendations? I've just about
had it with Superhero Whoever. All of them are the same... and boring.

All I read any more are the 2 main X titles. X force (until Liefjeans 
leaves), and some occasional Legion issues when I really get bored...

Any Dragonlance/Spelljammer similar titles around? I haven't seen any!
Why, oh why, did TSR/DC pull the plug?

Scott
From: nelson@desktop.nsc.com (Taed Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Billy Mumy (WAS Re: DC: Doom Patrol Annotations (long))
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:34:30 GMT
Organization: Applications Technology, National Semiconductor (Santa Clara, CA)

In article <1992Apr12.135137.16545@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, angst@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew Moran) writes:
> Michael S. Schiffer writes:
> 
> >>#38, "Lost in Space"
> 
> >>The title is that of an American children's science-fiction television
> >>show from the sixties and seventies (?).  Warning, Will Robinson!
> 
> >As an aside, I note that Bill Mumy, who played Will Robinson on
> 
> More Billy Mumy trivia: he wrote/sang a very strange song called "Fish Heads",s

And yet more:

	He played the child in _The Twilight Zone_ episode "It's a good life",
	which is by far my favorite episode...

	He was also in about three other episodes.
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