From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re:ALTERNATIVE Comet Rendezvous Mission
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:39:01 GMT
Reply-To: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: wolfone@doc.cc.utexas.edu

Just when you thought it was safe to read the newsgroups....

IT....returns.



In:
>Article 46406 of sci.space:
>From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
>Newsgroups: sci.space
>Subject: ALTERNATIVE Comet Rendezvous Mission
writes:

Note: Anyone who read this guy's article in sci.military a few days ago will 
find more of the same. Though *I* will try to be different in my flaming. :)



         >            ALTERNATIVE Comet Rendezvous Mission

         >     The two proposed NASA comet rendezvous and sample return 
         >missions are expected to cost BILLIONS of dollars, take 
         >nearly 20 years from now to complete, and could FAIL in 
         >DOZENS of ways! 
  Could you be a little more specific about this. Like for instance, list a
  *dozen* possible failures.
    
         >     Therefore, I believe that NASA, the United States, and 
         >the project scientists and engineers, should all SWALLOW 
         >THEIR PRIDE and ask the Russians for help.  The Russians have 
  Actually, I'd rather that NASA swallow its pride and open its monopoly on 
  space travel to the private sector. Oh well, one can dream.
         >some equipment that could complete a MANNED comet rendezvous 
         >and sample return mission, ROUND TRIP, in a matter of only a 
         >couple of MONTHS!  In spite of their economic and political 
         >problems, they are FAR AHEAD in space, militarily and 
         >scientifically. 
  Yeah, right. They're good at theoretical science, but we're actually better
  at applied science. Most Russian devices were created with technology stolen
  from the West.
    
  [Lawyer uncovers dastardly plot. Flem at 11 ]  


         >     The Russians have spacecraft called "COSMOSPHERES", 
         >which were originally built and used for "Star Wars" defense.  
         >They are spherical in shape, INvisible to radar beyond about 
         >50 miles away, atomic-powered [possibly Migma fUsion], 
         >electro-gravitic (can hover against gravity), and equipped 
  You sure it's not flubber? Or are you really talking about the standard
  levitation device in science fiction called the grav pod?
         >with "Psycho-energetic Range Finding" (PRF) which tunes-in to 
         >the actual atomic signature of an object or target. 
  Plagarizer! How dare you steal ideas from Japan's Mobile Suit Gundam Series!
          
         >     The 3rd-generation JUMBO Cosmospheres occupy more volume 
         >than the Hindenburg blimp, and are ELECTRO-MAGNETICALLY 
         >PROPELLED (can accelerate continuously and rapidly, and make 
         >it to Saturn in three WEEKS!).  [Many of them are armed with 
         >charged-particle beam weapons, neutron beam weapons, and/or 
         >microwave brain-scrambling equipment!] 
   Oh yeah? WE have the WAVE MOTION GUN..;)
    
         >     I would not be surprised if the Russians have already 
         >COMPLETED a comet rendezvous and sample return mission and 
         >have data and samples to share. 
   With that sort of drive, you should be surprised if they don't have colonies
   on Mars.
    


         >AIR BOOMS, 1977-78

         >     I wish to add that the 1st-generation COSMOSPHERES were 
         >deployed beginning in the Fall of 1977.  In late 1977 and 
         >early 1978, there was a strange rash of giant AIR BOOMS along 
         >the East Coast of the U.S and elsewhere.  The AIR BOOMS were 
         >never satifactorily explained, by either the government or 
         >news media.  They could NOT be positively identified with any 
         >particular SST or other aircraft, and indeed were much louder 
         >than aircraft sonic booms. 
   As I said in a previous flaming, it was an emergency scramble of Archangel
   class cruisers (including the first model: the _Micheal_ ;>) launched to 
   attack the Cosmospheres. Their shields and fast launch time could get them  
   into orbit before the spheres could blast them. At least *I* can think up a
   better story ;>.
    
         >     The giant AIR BOOMS were actually caused by Russia 
         >COSMOSPHERES firing CHARGED-PARTICLE BEAMS down into the 
         >atmosphere in a DE-focused mode (spread out) for the purpose 
         >of announcing their presence to the WAR-MONGERS in the U.S. 
         >Pentagon. 
   This doesn't make sense. Are you saying that the Russians did these very
   aggressive actions to our country because they were afraid of *Pentagon*
   warmongering? Don't the actions you describe above sound just a WEE bit 
   unfriendly?
   
     
         >     The 3rd-generation JUMBO COSMOSPHERES were first 
         >deployed in April 1981, in parallel with the first U.S. Space 
         >Shuttle Mission.  They significantly INTERFERED with that 
         >mission, in ways which were successfully COVERED-UP by NASA 
         >using techniques similar to those shown in the movie 
         >"Capricorn I". 
    Hollywood SFX are still not good enough to succesfully fake such a thing
    IMHO. At least it looks fake to me.
      


         >CREDIBILITY of Dr. Beter

    [Unsubstantiated claims of Israeli conspiracy to get the US angry at 
      Arabs]

         >     Dr. Beter predicted what he called the "RETIREMENT" of 
         >Leonid Brezhnev ONE WEEK BEFORE Brezhnev "died".  [Note that 
         >the word "retirement" was used for the TERMINATION OF 
         >REPLICANTS in the 1982 movie "Blade Runner".]  He also 
    What's the point in bringing up this movie? Are you saying that Brezhnev
    was a <gasp> a _replicant_?<grin> Or are you just trying to be melodramatic
    and get us all excited over the word "retirement?"
         >predicted that Brezhnev would be quickly replaced with 
         >Andropov, which occurred ONLY THREE DAYS after the "death" of 
         >Brezhnev, to the SURPRISE of all government and media 
         >analysts. 
    
         >     [I KNOW that we are all supposed to LAUGH at the word 
         >"conspiracy".  That is what the various government, military, 
         >political, media, banking, and corporate CONSPIRATORS have 
         >successfully PROGRAMMED most of us to do. ] 
     Time to pull out my flame thrower. Nah... Not powerful enough. I Know!

     PLASMA BEAM..... ON!!!
 
     All right, that does it. I am sick and tired of hearing this cop out claim
     of "programming" or "brainwashing" being used by conspiracy theorists to 
     explain why people don't immediately believe their claims. It is insulting
     my intelligence and I really hate that. Why? Because to argue against such
     a claim means that I am supposedly following my "programming" and therefore
     can't think for myself. It takes the postion that the theorist-- somehow 
     immune to the "programming" that has seized the minds of the rest of the
     country-- must do our thinking for us since his mind is "untainted" by 
     government tampering. You're going to have to find another answer to why
     people laugh at your theories, because I will not buy this one.

     Oh yes, and McElwaine? Don't get cute and use the above rebuttal as "proof"
     that I am following my programming. You will just have to think of another
     reason why I object to your theories. Like perhaps they are the cheesiest
     pieces of work I have seen so far. The only thing that ties w/you are
     creationist theories on talk.origins. It may also be BECAUSE you CONSTANTLY
     use WORDS using ALL CAPS to EMPHASIZE the CRIMES you DECRY. That comes off
     as a cheap attempt at melodramatics and is completely bogus. Use _lines_
     to emphasize things and don't do it too much. You're articles may get a 
     more favorable response.
          
     PLASMA BEAM...... OFF!

     Okay, I'm calm now.

         >ELECTRO-MAGNETIC PROPULSION
        

    [This essentially claims that the Russian Cosmospheres push against  
      uncharged electrons somehow to accelerate. I have no idea what 
      the hell he's talking about, but it does provide ideas for a 
      story I've been thinking of writing.<grin>]
    
     Guess I've been brainwashed again, eh McElwaine?

         >     UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
         >IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 
     I may consider that if you would write articles with information I don't 
     find to be complete falsehoods. Otherwise I have trouble resisting. ;>


         >                         Robert E. McElwaine
         >                         B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 

I have a good idea what the "BS" stands for in Robert's case. :)


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