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From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Wet Brakes (was)Re: Fun
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:46:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.141932.2624@cbnews.cb.att.com> nak@cbnews.cb.att.com (neil.a.kirby) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.221920.5835@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
>Before doing this, I humble advise going out and looking at your front
>brake.  If it is a disk with no holes in it, be really careful.  Most
>modern bikes have drilled disks, but older ones don't.  In 1978, in a
>pouring rain, I rode my no-holes-in-the-rotor RD350 home from work.  The
>light on the highway changed.  I got on the brakes.  THe rear drum was
>fine, but the front disk was out to lunch.  I kept a light pressure with
>occasional "spikes" (very short duration) of high pressure to try and get
I would suggest replacing the pads with a set that is better suited to wet 
weather.  Some brands are better than others.  Also, if there is a pattern
to the pads (81 Wing pads have 2 little padlets on each pad) the additional
wiping frontal area to the pad (the first wipes some water off, the second
wipes more water off: my term may be bogus but the concept holds) will
aid in getting braking back.

>and panic when nothing was there.  He got right up to the intersection
>without shedding much speed and then the front locked and he went down and
I gently apply my brakes randomly when it is raining out, to clear them.  No
appreciable pad wear (hydroplaning, remember?) and I usually have full brakes
available when I need them.  If you are aware of the problem and modify your
riding habits to account for the increased reaction time needed, it shouldn't
be too much of a problem.  

Some bikes have enclosed front brakes which greatly
reduce the effect, such as current Goldwings, PC800s, the initial US model
VTR250s, and some off-road bikes.  Those goofy looking chrome disc covers on 
some Harleys and Wings actually DO something useful, unlike most of the rest
of the chrome.  (hey, I own one and it has lots of chrome, so no flames ok?)

CP Tomes
Brakes? I don need no steenkin brakes!!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:45:03 GMT

In article <djm.724126956@morpheus> djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David Maconochie) writes:
>achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
>
>>   I am 38 years old, 5'7", 195 lb, and my blood pressure, though not high,
>>is not far from being so. I eat too much, drink lots of beer, and don't 
>>exercise enough. In short, I will, in the future, be a poor health risk
>>and a possible public burden. Should we, therefore, legislate nutrition
>>
>stuff deleted
>
>>health. Are you willing to sacrifice your personal freedom to choose what
>>you eat and drink for the greater public good?
>
>Well if you were paying your own health insurance, you would be charged
>vastly more than me on account of your weight, blood pressure etc. As it is,
>the rest of your firm pays extra for you.  The question here is should they?

   Insurance is a way to share risk. I'm in worse shape than some, better 
than others. My only medical bills in 10 years working here were incurred
in a bike crash. Damage was to my leg. My helmet got a nice scrape on it.
Strange though, the only times my head has contacted the pavement when laying
a bike down are the times I wore a helmet.
    But back to insurance. I drive a car much less than 10,000 miles/year.
I've only been ticketed in a car once in the last 10 years. I have not had
an accident or any other insurance claim in 20 years. So why do I have to 
pay nearly $400/year for liability insurance? Because that's been determined
to be my fair share of the risk.

Jeff Achenbach
From: bobby@dc.dk (Bobby Billingsley)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Choke Question ?
Keywords: Choke
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:57:12 GMT
Distribution: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Datacentralen A/S


>In article <Bz3t8F.HpA@inews.Intel.COM>, rbodepud@sedona.intel.com (Ramana Bodepudi) writes:
>|> 
>|> Hi,
>|>  I have CBR 600, and have noticed that with the bike on its side
>|> stand and the choke on the RPM does not go up, but does so as
>|> soon as I straighten the bike up. Why is this ??


I've noticed the same thing on my Yamaha XJ600, but have ascribed this to
the stretching/loosening of the cable as I turn the handlebasrs straight
when it's on the centerstand, as opposed to full left/right on the sidestand.

Could this be what is happening w. your bike???

-- 
:   Bobby Billingsley                   : Remember to love while you dare to   :
:   Datacentralen, Denmark              : remember to live while you do so     :
:   Phone: +45 4371-8122 Ext. 3337      :........................-.Piet.Hein...:
:   E-mail: bobby@dc.dk                 : DoD# 80884 : Ride=Yamaha XJ600, 1986 :
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Sport Bikes
Keywords: Spam
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:51:11 GMT

In article <4436@cvbnetPrime.COM> tjohnson@anyway.UUCP (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
>In article <4435@cvbnetPrime.COM> tjohnson@anyway.UUCP (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
>>
>>I really wanted to know. So I looked up the word Sport in the dictionary. 
>>Here is what it said....
>>
>>   "To shoot out as liquid through a pipe; projecting tube or pipe for 
>>    pouring liquid. A tube or pipe for leading off rain from a roof."
>>
>>	This evidence has drastically altered my opinion of exactly what is 
>>a sportbike. 
>
>All;
>
>	My most humble apologies pertaining to the above posting. It appears
>that I have failed to follow the page of the dictionary properly. The above
>definition is that of "spout" not "sport". Thanks to all of you whom checked
>the dictionary for me and found my error of proximatey. I'll get back to you
>on what effect this data will have on my opinions of sportbikes, and let me
>openly apologize for suggesting the Japanese were responsible for selling
>spoutbikes, and misleading the American motorcycling public.
>

Eh? Eh?     We told you while ago, that it's "spurt", not "sport", that
            you looked up!  Now here ye are, trying to confuse us further.

Charlie Smith
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy)
Subject: ME33A Laser wearing too fast. Why? What is your experience?
Summary: Under 4,000 miles on mine, and almost gone!
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:03:24 GMT

My Metzeler ME33A Laser (not a comp-K) front tire has about 3,500
miles on it, and probably isn't going to make it to 4,000 due to wear
near the edges. The center still has quite a bit of tread left. A
quick conversation with Hesh last night revealed that he gets at least
twice this many miles from his identical front tire. Something isn't
right here. I like to go fast around corners, and I understand that
doing that with a passenger (as I am wont to do) buys me tire wear.
But that much?!? My tires shouldn't be wearing twice as fast as
someone who rides faster around corners than I do, should they?

I haven't been absolutely religious about checking the pressure, but I
haven't been totally negligent, either. It has been low by a couple of
pounds once or twice, and I've put more air in each time. I usually
run it at 32 PSI, and it's been as low as 28 for a few hundred miles,
I guess. Would that make this much difference? How many miles do you
get out of your ME33A's? Is mine counterfeit? I'll summarize if
there's interest.

	-- Robert Kennedy

Robert Kennedy					(415) 723-4532 (office)
robert@cs.stanford.edu				(415) 322-7367 (home voice)
Computer Science Dept., Stanford University	(415) 322-7329 (home tty)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: geoffh@elektro.cmhnet.org (Geoff Hazelton)
Subject: Re: Bad BMW Drivers
Summary: Isetta 300
Organization: 50cc Racers Unite!          
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 22:11:58 GMT

In article <1ga93rINNafu@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>

  lots of other dull stuff deleted!

>In a second aside, does anybody know where parts are available for
>a BMW Isetta car?
>
I used to have one, with air intakes in the front door and export
bumper guards!

Call me at the numbers below, and we'll talk about what you need.

>-John H. Osborn                     - Boycott Colorado

Geoff Hazleton    DoD #24121   H:  614-268-4600   W:  614-890-1131
Vespas, Sachs, 2-CV Cit, Solex 50cc, and worse.
From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MSF Question
Keywords: Westminster is the place.
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:44:55 GMT
Distribution: rec



In article <1992Dec15.150056.24649@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> templin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (TEMPLIN GERI ELLEN) writes:

>>   I'd like to know how to find an MSF course in my area.
>>

And another poster responds:

>Call 1-800-447-4700.  You will referred to the nearest MSF certified program.

The MSF courses in the Denver-Boulder area are offered at the Front Range
Community College, on West 112th Avenue in Westminster.  You can get
scheduling and tuition information by calling the office of the registrar.
When I last took the RSS course (3 years ago), the cost was $105.00.


-- 
Chas                         DoD #7769

"Oh, how can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all?"
                                               - Firesign Theatre


--
Ken Franklin 	They say there's a heaven for people who wait
AMA     	And some say it's better but I say it ain't
GWRRA           I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
DoD #0126       The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Honda GB500, Suzuki GS500E, or Yamaha Seca II ?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:23:14 GMT

My search for a weekend "fun in the twisties" bike has (so far) narrowed
to 3 bikes. To refresh your memory, I wanted a bike that handled well,
was not a crotch-rocket, and had good low-end acceleration without
necessarily having a top-end higher than 120 (or even that high).
The current choices are:

New 1990 Honda GB500: This was the most recommended bike (well, that means
it got 2 votes). Trouble is, I haven't yet seen one, but dealerships around
this area can get me one for about $3500 before haggling begins. Seems a
bit pricey for a 3-year-old 500, even new.

New Suzuki GS500E: Sat on one today. They want $3300 before haggling. I
think the complete lack of windscreen/fairing is weird and ugly, but I'm
sure I could get used to it. Riding position is fine.

< 300 miles Yamaha Seca II: This is my current favorite at $3300, probably
not a lot of haggling I can do. Has a small but quite liveable dent/scratch
on the gas tank that they claim is from another bike's lever during local
shipping/uncrating. This bike looks and feels good to me, it is a 600 and
I think I'd like the extra power, and has that nice big 4.3 gal fuel tank.

So, before I go out and do something foolish, any advice. As I said, I'm
leaning heavily towards the Seca II; any reason not to?

Oh, for reference, I'm 5' 10". The GS500E felt much more like a toy under
me than did the Seca II. Don't know about the GB500 (yet).

Any and all comments, on the net or via email, would be greatly appreciated.
Handling, reasonableness of the prices here in the SF bay area, reliability,
sheer fun, any of that stuff.

Thanks! I really need the objective help because I have New Bike Fever.
I looked at a repo '88 Katana 600 with < 5000 miles today, but the
scratched fairings, badly dinged tank, etc. etc. just left me cold. If
the bike is gonna be banged up, I want to *earn* every one of those dings
myself. (But I'm willing to take the Seca II gas tank ding for $700 off
normal list).

-- 
Curtis Jackson  DoD #721   '62 Yankee Brunette "Dorothy"    '81 Maxim 650
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com   '91 Black Lab "Studley"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: a few questions from a wanna-be owner.
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:54:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article B16@rahul.net, wilsont@rahul.net (Timothy Wilson) writes:
>Hey, i was wondering if i could get a few general questions answered.
>
>2. a good cc range to 'start out' with would be?? (commute/Bay area freeways)

250 - 883, depending on your needs, size, ability, the style of bike,
the type of riding, and about ~28 other factors.

>3. where do i look for a 'training' type of place, to learn starter stuff
>about cycles? (what are they called?)

Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF)  In CA, call 800-CC-RIDER.

They supply bikes and helmets, so do this before you buy a motorcycle.

>4. what does a motorcycle license test entail?

Nothing remotely related to riding on the street!  :^(

You will need to identify the front and rear brake, clutch, horn, have
working lights, turn signals, headlight, etc.  You will need to show
proof of liability insurance.  You must wear a helmet.  You then weave
through some cones, ride in a circle with the front wheel within two
lines (2 laps), ride down a narrow lane (lane sharing ability test?),
and shift gears.  If you successfully complete the above mentioned MSF
course, the DMV test will be a breeze (if you are at all familiar with
the bike you use).

>5. I haven't seen a bike yet with fuel injection, what wrong with FI?

KISS.  Why would you want FI?

>6. the best motorcycle book/magazine to read is: ______
>(maybe somewhere to answer these questions!)

rec.motorcycles.

>7. when buying a used bike, i should look for problems in the: ____?

Previous owner?

Look at overall condition, tires, brakes, etc., and compare with the
odo.  Look for aftermarket stuff having been added (most likely pipes,
shocks, etc.)  It will have its own brand name on it.  This is not
necessarily bad, but consider the previous owner.  Changing pipes, for
example, usually requires rejetting the carborators, which requires
some expertise in engine stuff to do properly.  Aftermarket pipes may
also cause the bike to violate DOT or EPA regulation (like the pipes
are too loud).

If the bolts have little holes drilled in the heads, and wire
connecting them to the frame or to each other (be particularly
suspicious if the wire has been removed), the bike has likely been
raced, and you should look for another one.


---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Best Bike for World Trip
Organization: QUAD Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:29:58 GMT

I've been asked by a friend to give hime some recommendations as the the
best bike to embark on an extended South America/Africa - possibly World -
trip.

I immediately thought of a number of Paris-Dakar replica types (such as
the BMW, Cagiva, etc..). Any suggestions?

-- 

Roland Besserer
QUAD Systems
roland@quadsys.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tjr2g@Virginia.EDU ("!!! Cosmic Charlie")
Subject: New to the Moto List
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:36:40 GMT

Hi everyone.  My name is Tim Richter and I am new to this net
and haven't used one before.  I just have a question.  What is
DoD?  What does it stand for if it is a Abbreviation?  Thanks

For those interested.  I ride,
I have:
1975 Honda 550four 
1965 Honda 305cc Scrambler
1968 Honda 305cc Superhawk

Always looking for parts for the 305s (in restoration mode)

Also I have one lead on NOS parts (Domi-Racer in Ohio)
If anyone knows a good outlet for mail order old honda NOS
parts please email me

Also -for the guy looking for a helmet, look into the Shoei
RF200.  Great helmet $129-$139 mail order price range.
see y'all
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Tjr2G@Virginia.edu
028521462@ucis.vill.edu

"I never met an oncoming car I liked" -TJR 
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Attention electric vest owners!
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:15:53 GMT

In article <BzH23M.3Fv@news.iastate.edu> tomes@iastate.edu () writes:
>
>Highest bid seen by me is $@ .  Do I get it or what?

Is that US $ or Cdn?

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: First ride in rain almost first dropped bike, too
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:04:29 GMT

In article <1gdg0oINN2f1@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
}Which raises an interesting question (for me, anyway).  Is the only 
}"officially sanctioned" course of action in the event of a rear-wheel
}lockup to come to a full and complete stop, and then start all over 
}again?  (This hasn't been an issue for me so far, as I've only locked the
}rear when I wanted a full and complete stop faster than the bike wanted.)
}
}What happens if you lock the rear wheel in circumstances under which a
}full and complete stop isn't such a good idea (e.g., number 3 lane of 280 
}southbound at 6:00pm in the dark)?

You *ease* off the brakes, instead of jumping off them like I did.
It might help to pull in the clutch while disengaging the rear brake
as extra insurance against a high-side -- anybody got any opinions
on that idea (on this newsgroup? opinions? NAH!)
-- 
Curtis Jackson  DoD #721   '62 Yankee Brunette "Dorothy"    '81 Maxim 650
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com   '91 Black Lab "Studley"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Metzler Enduro?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 11:16:13 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu

I'm thinking of getting a metzler enduro to replace my worn-out
metzler sahara on my PD.  If anybody has any experience with this
tire, please let me know.  (I'm about to leave for New Mexico and
I expect to encounter snow and stuff on the way, aside from miles and
miles of west Texas roads.)

Thanks.


-- 
-
-John H. Osborn                     - Boycott Colorado
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu               - Enforced discrimination MUST NOT STAND
-DOD# 2001  '92 BMW Paris-Dakar     - Queer, Proud, and Angry
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Engine ignites gas (was Re: correction on New Biker)
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:05:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <Bz8Eyr.2HG@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>that happen to know the flash point of gas off the top of their heads?
>I've never seen it happen, and I don't know how likely it is, but I'd be
>inclined to avoid the practice. I think you'd be in more danger from a
>stray spark than engine heat. After all, the combustion chamber runs very
>hot, but it takes the spark to ignite the air-fuel mix.
>
>When I winterized the FJ a couple of weeks ago (you know the drill,
>change the oil, drain the carbs, etc.) I got a real rush as I realized
>that puddle of boiling fluid on top of the crankcases was gas. We didn't
>spontaneously combust, but next time I'll let the engine cool before I
>drain the carbs.

In my impressionable youth we used to toss our cigs in a bucket of gas.
The cig would extinguish. I was worried about it at first, but since the
bucket of gas wasn't leaning against 'my' house I soon joined in the
revelry. 
I think most of those guys are in jail now. If the cig hits the
side of the bucket and sparks, you didn't hear it from me.
 
================================================================================
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
                                 doh#0000000005
================================================================================
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ME33A Laser wearing too fast. Why? What is your experience?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 02:46:58 GMT
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy) writes:
>My Metzeler ME33A Laser (not a comp-K) front tire has about 3,500
>miles on it, and probably isn't going to make it to 4,000 due to wear

>run it at 32 PSI, and it's been as low as 28 for a few hundred miles,
>I guess. Would that make this much difference?

Riding style makes more of a difference.  I wear out front
tires before rears on my CB750 when I ride it hard, because
it's a relatively narrow tire on a heavy bike and I use the
front brake hard.

29 PSI front, 32-33 PSI rear is probably about right for your
750 Nighthawk,  What does the manual suggest?

>How many miles do you get out of your ME33A's?

5000 to 6000.

>Is mine counterfeit?

How would I know?  The wear you describe isn't wildly
out of the expected range.  The guys who get much
more mileage are probably riding less agressively.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
From: kpm@druhi.ATT.COM (Kevin Malloy (DoD #106))
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re:  What's a click?
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:51:16 GMT

in article <1go79rINNf34@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:
> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com
>
>  <something not necessarily relevent since he doesn't have a bike>
> 
> OK, what does [click | Klick] mean, kilometers or kilometers/hour?

When I was in the Great White North on holiday (gawd I love Canada!),
klicks seemed to mean km/h as in on the speedo.  Every biker-type I
talked to used the term to mean speed.  A couple of people used the
term "klicks" to refer to distance (as in, the next petro-chemical
station is about 50 klicks down the Coq), but it was almost always
used to describe speed.

There.  I hope this controversy is cleared up.  (Yea, right! :-)

But I never did hear a term that was a "real world measurement"
equivalent for the "old-fashioned" word "MILEAGE".  Any clues?

  					    Kevin

Kevin Malloy  kpm@druhi.att.com  AT&T Bell Labs, Denver  (303) 538-3511
633 E. 11th Ave.					 1991 BMW K75RT	  
Denver, CO  80203	_NOT_ a 2nd Class Coloradoan!	       DoD #106
(303) 830-2937	 With liberty and justice for all, NO EXCEPTIONS!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: madhatta@plume.mit.edu (Tom Yates)
Subject: Re: Cell phones
Organization: CMPO at MIT
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:12:02 GMT

>>> In article <1992Dec15.232133.6210@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>>> I use LOL, LOM (little 'ol lady/man) or LOX (X=don't care, leftovers
>>> from my hardware engineering days :-) My biggest fear of visiting
>>> my dad in Tampa, Florida is dealing with the LOX's on I-4 and the other
>>> "high speed" roads :-( (Sorry Floridians!)
>>
>>I call these people 'hatters', cuz usually it's an old guy wearing a
>>white hat (and almost always driving a large American car like a big old Ford

i resemble that remark!

tom

The Mad Hatter - DoD#0135 - madhatta@teaparty.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles