From: knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp)
Subject: Re: In circles
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:45:04 GMT

In article <0095923F.BAFB15E0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 2757feyena@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>I have been reading your little debate and I  don't see much progress. I
>would like to respond to a comment about Pro-Lifers. Pro-Lifers offer
>only life giving choices. Abortion is not a life giving option. There
>was some talk about the rhetoric used i.e. Pro-Abortion, Pro-Choice
>ProDeath, and I would just like to say a couple things. Pro-Abortion
>doesn't imply that you are forcing women to have abortion. It implies
>that you are favor of abortion on demand.



> You see abortion as optionand
>therefore you are for it, pro-Abortion.


Make up your mind, first you say we are in favor of chosing abortion (abortion
on demand) which we call "pro-choice", then you say we are pro-abortion.

We are not pro-abortion. We are "pro-choice". If you are not able to see the
distinction, think about it.




 Pro-Death comes from two things.
>The child will not be born, it will not be alive like you and I, it will
>have died. The unborn child's life gets literally sucked out in an
>abortion. 


Pardon me but life is not subject to 'literal sucking'.


If you are in favor of abortion on demand, then you are supportingh
>the dying of that little child, therfore Pro-Death.



You, like the others, only assert that a fetus is a child and therefore
that abortion is death.


> There is also the notion
>that if you are not Pro-Life, then you must be Pro-DFeath. The opposite
>of Life is death and therefore, Pro-Death. The only other point I want
>to reiterate, is that the child would be alive if te abortion had not taken
>place. If it is not alive, then it must have died. I know someone will
>respond and say that the child is not living, but if the child can survive outside the womb at 20 weeks and not the day before, does that mean that the child is not living the day before?
>fore? What i a child is born a day before 20 weeks and lives. There isn'tay before
>a point where life just begins. It is life from the beginning. There is
>something growing, something human, and it will become a full person, but
>it  needs time to grow. That is the stage that we were all in. Were we not
>human for the first part of our lives? We had human chrosones, human genes
>human brain, human hearts, human arms, human legs, human fingers, human toes
>human knee caps, human face, human eyes, human everything. We were human from
>the moment of conception. We had everything determined from that point on.



You clearly have not studied logic.

I like the burning room analogy used by someone on this group.

If you are in a burning room with the door locked, you will break down the door
to escape.  You will assert that the person escaping is pro-door-breaking, 
while we hold that the intention was to leave the room.

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