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From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:14:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.025043.7813@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
>byang@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Bin Yang) writes:
>> A lot of people have responded to this post. Has it occured to anyone that
>> the author might have meant 60 indoor swimming pools that you can swim even 
>> in the winter? I know Beida certainly does (or at least did) not have one. 
>
>Well, I have checked out the article, which is in the 1992 Summer Games
>special issue with the title "China's Chosen Ones" by William A. Henry III
>(and at the end of the article, it has a caption "Reported by Mia Turner/
>Beijing"). The following is what it says:
>
>"... But in a nation with only 60 swimming pools, there are 10 elite
>diving schools. ..."
>
>This doesn't sound like a typo. Even if it only applies to 
>indoor swimming pools, the figure is still questionable. Beside,
>I assume that the authors must also have the figure of all pools
>since that figure should be easier to obtain than the indoor
>figure. And obviously that no. could be much larger such that
>that sentence may not make much sense. Thus, if the authors
>have picked the indoor no. but left out the keyword indoor, I find 
>it hard to believe that this is due to sloppy work rather than
>intentional.
>
>In any case, I think this time Xiao GangBus who have been working 
>hard on West-media-bashing do have a strong case. So go ahead, screw 
>these two guys or even Times as hard as you could. But make sure you 
>got the figures right before you do.
>
>Steven
>------
>63. Remember that all news is biased.
>	- Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.

In the same issue of TIME, the page after from cover. It has a article talk
about "Chinese agression aginainst Vietname", and Chinese "put a land mark
in vietname's teritory" of Spatly islands.
Plese notice in the article of "60 swinning pools", there are even more
subtle thing than those explicit ditortion which can easily identified
by those who have ABC knowledge about China, that is the picture that
showing a CHinese diver in action. It put the diver in upside down position

and legs and pale face(resulted from mometary distress of diving) in front of
readers. The picture was used to make unfavorable point against Chinese.
While all other picture of U.S. athletes show smiling faces.
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Yi Shu's Books
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:14:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <199207311248.AA05665@thames.bu.edu> lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
->Sanyee Tang wrote:
->>So who is this Yi Shu, what are the Chinese characters of her name/pen-name?
-><And what she has written?  Anyone cares to give us out-moded older netters
-><an introduction?
->
->Yi, (too, also) Shu (relaxed, as in "ShuFu") -- got it?:-) She wrote Qiong
->Yao style novels. I am wide-spectrum in reading and eating, but I failed to
->finish any of her books. I finished one of Qiong Yao's, "Outside Window",
->no more. This is of course a very subjective introduction.

I don't think it's fair to say that she wrong QY's style novels.  Both her
styles and perspectives are opposite of QY's.

->
->>It is said Qiong Yao and San Mao have numerous Chinese teenager fans,
->>especially among girls.  Unfortunately I have never read any of their books.
->
->No regret, I assure you. Their books are for highschool girls. While YiShu's
->are for junior high girls.

What make you say that?  Yi Shu's characters are so well controlled in 
handling their relationships that most adults I know in the real world
could hardly do nearly as well.

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
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From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Re: A Healthy China Re: Gold, silver and Spratly
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:34:27 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
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From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang,606 Meyer,(212)998-7728,                )
Subject: Re: some thoughts
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:30:00 GMT

/* acf3:soc.culture.china / cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com (Douglas D. Cheung) / 12:49 pm  Jul 30, 1992 */
Nationalism only divides people.  Nationalism makes war, not love.
Have a little less nationalism.  Be a Universal Man.
/* ---------- */
From: xiao@spot.Colorado.EDU (XIAO YANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:51:04 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder


Another possible explaination is that the author meant the 
number of indoor swimming pools which can be used during the 
winter. 
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From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Give Me a Break: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S. (Re: China News)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:51:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.182524.3626@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>Wake up, folks, watch out what kind of car China is to buy from U.S.
>before you start celebrating and congratulating on the deal!!
>
>
>Ford Tempos! A model that was designed in the late 70's and early 80's
>and has had only one facelift in its entire 8 years of life so far! A 
>model that is due to be replaced with a new design next year! A model
>that's currently the oldest design among Ford's cars (well except
>the Mustang and the Thunderbird. Make it family cars)! Why not the 
>Taurus? That's a much much more advanced design!
>
>[OK you know how much I hate the Tempo by now. :-)]
>
>Whoever made the decision or was sold on the Tempos deserves to be
>rolled over by them.
I think it is a more political decisioin than a economic one! I think the political purpose
is to easy the sinophobia that could be intensified when CIA reported possible $15billion
trade deficit U.S. will have this year and strong possibility of Clinten to be President
who is somewhat anti-China.
>
>Now we return you to the regular program of the Olympics.
>
>-------------------------- End of Forwarding ------------------------------
>
>Forwarded to SCC by Bo Xiong in Chicago


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From: xiaoyu@grumpy.SSC.GOV (Xiaoyu Li)
Subject: Re: Introducing Tuya's Grandpa ...
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:37:19 GMT

In article <13586@mindlink.bc.ca>, Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
> > In <1992Jul19.175320.3499@arizona.edu>, I wrote:
> >
> >> (feng1 ma3 niu3 bu4 xiang1 ji2 ) means that in a wind horses tend to run
> >> in a direction opposite that of cattle.  Which direction for which, you
> >> figure it out.
> 
> The Pin Yin is apparently wrong, and the phrase appeared much earlier, in
> Shang Shu.  Feng1 (wind) actually means "sexual attraction" in this context.

I am confused by all you erudites. How come the "wind" and "sexual
attraction" can make love together? :-)  As far as I can recall,
the idom "feng1 ma3 niu3 bu4 xiang1 ji2" only means that the
*astraying* Texas cows and horse will be unable to make their way
to Canada. :-)

-- 
Xiaoyu Li
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From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: incident
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:51:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.023316.13977@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mxx7655@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>In article <2A6AF511.9432@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>>-------
.....

>     One thing certaintly different if there were no reform/open policy in
>China is your Dear Chairman Mao would simply not allow you to come to the
>States enjoying the freedom to express your fancy ideas over the net.(of cause,
>you still can say "Chinses people still can do it,provided .....")
>     It is a well known fact that the reform/open policy has greatly improved 
>the Chinese people's living standard,especially the majority of peasants.Of 
>cause,even if Chen YongGui were in power,I beleive he finally would be forced 
>by the pressure of world economy development and domestic demand to reform and
>have a open policy.But,that process probably will delay much longer than we are
>having right now.You really should base you conclusion on the fact not only on
>the temptation to have whatever opposite opinion to what most people think.
>
>     My simple comparison between Mao and Deng:
>	Mao has more talent than Deng.
>	Mao is more capable and eager to destroy things.
>	Deng is more practical and willing to improve people's live.
>	Both are creative and decisive and Mao is crazy.
>Conclusion: if you want to live peacefully and improve your life, Deng is much,
>	    much more preferable to Mao.

My feeling is that an idiot would have been better than Mao, at least he
won't bring a lot of harm to the society.

Tingli Pan
From: jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Three Ladies Walk Together ...
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:54:48 GMT


In <1731@kluge.fiu.edu>, stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu writes:

>traditionally there were three places where a teacher or mentor has
>the statue of a parent. That's temple (Si4Miao4), pear-orchard
>(Li2Yuan2, chinese conservatory), and red-mansion (Hong2Lou2, chinese
>Mustang Ranch). Because many pupil there were orphans or abandened
>children.

Looks like you and Lix share the same opinion. :-)
Just one comment, it was Green-mansion (Qing1 Lou2) not red-
mansion. It was "Qing1 Lou2 Ji4 Yuan4" (The green-mansion whore
house) in ancient China. Even in Taiwan, they still call it
"Green-light house" (Lyu4 Deng1 Hu4). :-)

>Fan4 was, more accurately, Xiang's tutor or proctor. When Xiang
>failed to listen to Fan4 to kill Liu2Bang1 in HongMeng banquet,
>Fan4 sighed: "there is no hope to teach this dumb kid" (Shu4Zi1
>Bu4Ke3 Jiao1 Ye3).

Nit-picking time again, :-)  it should be "Shu4 Zi3 Bu4 Zu2 Yu3
Mou2 Ye3."  (You can't plot something with an idiot.)  I think
you got it mixed up with "Ru2 Zi3 Bu4 Ke3 Jiao4 Ye3" (You can't
teach a dumb kid.)

>A gentleman does not serve two masters, a child does not love two
>fathers (Shi4 Bu2Shi4 Er2 Zhu3, Zi3 Bu4Xiao4 Er2 Fu4). I am sure
>this is an authentic Chinese saying.

Are you really sure? :-) In ancient China, even today, many
people have more than one father. It was called "Yi4 Fu4"  (god
father). Of course, in Taiwan there was another term called "Gan1
Die1" (dry-daddy). A synonym of "Gan1 Die1" is "Huo3 San1 Xiao4
Zi3" (a pious kid of a volcano). :-)  There is another couplet
similar to the one you quoted, though:

     Zhong1 Cheng2 Bu2 Shi4 Er4 Zhu3,
     Lie4   Nuu3   Bu2 Shi4 Er4 Fu1.
     (A loyal minister does not serve two kings, and a ? lady does
      not marry two guys.)

Pal K. is likely going to blame this statement on Li3 Xue2 scholars
again. :-)
From: jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Three Ladies Walk Together ...
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:40:53 GMT


In <1703@kluge.fiu.edu>, stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu writes:

>In article <CMM.0.90.2.711747819.jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu> (James Ou) writes:
>|Chinese said, "once
>|your teacher, forever your father." (Yi2 Ri4 Wei2 Shi1, Zhong1
>|Sheng1 Wei2 Fu4).
>
>This misinformation campaign is getting worse and worse. The Chinese
>saying is Yi1Ri4 Shou4Jiao4, Zhong1Sheng1 Wei2 Shi1 (He/She whom
>you took lesson even for one day from shall be respected as your
>teacher for the rest of your life). Chinese respect their teacher
>a lot, but in no way the position of father can be compromised.

Gosh, I know I am wrong on SCC all the time, but, no way, not
this time. :-) There may be another saying like the one you
quoted. But, believe me, mine is at least as authentic as yours. :-)
Ancient Chinese called "students" "Di4 Zi3" (younger brother, son).
Why? Because a student should "Zhi2 Di4 Zi3 Zhi1 Li3" to his/her
teachers (i.e., treat the teachers like his/her elder brothers
and father).

BTW, I know Fan4 Zeng1 tried to conquer the world with Xiang4
Yu3, but are you sure that he was also a teacher of Xiang4?
From: jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An old word
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:08:51 GMT


In <92208.043630XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>, <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
writes:

>An old word comes to mind: Yu4 Jia1 Zhi1 Zui4, He2 Huan4 Wu2 Ci2.
>
>Would anyone out there please to tell me its story?

I can't remember the original story, but this sentence first came
from Chun1 Qiu1 Zuo3 Zhuan4. It was a sentence said by this
person "Li3 [mile] Ke4 [conquer]". Li3 was a minister (Dai4 Fu1)
of Jin4 state.

This sentence was later on used many times in the Chinese
history. In Song4 dynasty, the "Ci2" for convicting the general
"Yue4 Fei1" was "Muo4 Xu1 You3" (no need to have one).



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From: wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Reply-To: wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:02:40 GMT

>
>A lot of people have responded to this post. Has it occured to anyone that
>the author might have meant 60 indoor swimming pools that you can swim even 
>in the winter? I know Beida certainly does (or at least did) not have one. 

    I know Tsinghua has a indoor swiming pool even in 50's. Imagine how many
luxury hotels in China, most of them have indoor swimming pool.
From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How to translate?
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:54:22 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes: 
> Tuya wrote:
>>         The original is:
> 
>               "jiang1 shan1 yi1 jiu4 zai4,
>                ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2."
> 
>          (unacceptable translation deleted) 
>           I realize that Jiangshan does not mean Dynasty, rather, it
>           means the 3-D world.  
> 
>           By the way this poem states the relation between time and 
>           the 3-D world and society.  Time is relatively fast, so
>           is the history, but the physical 3-D space is sorta slow. 
>           Luo Guan Zhong may quality to be the first socio-physicist
>           in that sense
> 
> Then, correct translation should be:
> 
> 	The 3-D world seems keeping the same beautiful, but
> 	the 4th dimension is extending to infinity without any noise.
> 
> Better than yours, Eh?

You guys did not get the original meaning.  It says,

	The rivers and mountains stay unchaged,
	although the setting sun isn't always red.

It emphasizes on the change of time (shi2-dai4) in comparison to the
physical world.  So although jiang-shan is not "dynasty", xi-yang is. :-(

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

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From: yzhang@math12.math.umbc.edu (Yin Zhang)
Subject: Steriod use (a forwarding)
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:28:05 GMT

Newsgroups: iu.china,soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: My feelings
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:50:00 GMT


          Hi, folks, 
             It might not be appropriate to decide whose is the hero
          based on win or lose (cheng2 bai4 lun4 ying1 xiong2), but as
          the number of medals goes up, I do feel stimulated!

             I walk on the street and feel considerably taller, and I
          began to be pretty arrogant in classes.  I intentionally
          change the topic of meetings to Olympic game, and tell
          people I was really surprised how few medals the U.S. has
          won.

             I am most proud of the fact that Chinese also win medals
          in almost purely physical things like swimming.  In the past
          I only trusted on chinese brains and chinese food, not
          limbs.  So this is really a boost of confidence!  I vow I am
          going to start swimming, too!  At least I can beat a couple
          of high school drop-outs.

             IMHO, we chinese is at a point where we need mostly
          cow-boy kind of people instead of Jia3 baoyu kind of people.
          What do you think?
From: liang@cs.arizona.edu (Song Liang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Qian Hong got a gold
Keywords: 6th gold
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:29:14 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: SWIMFINAL: Result-W's 100m Butterfly
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:38:46 GMT
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.

SWIMMING - Women's 100m Butterfly FINAL
=======================================
 
World Record		57.93
Olympic Record		59.00

 
Gold	HONG, Qian			CHN	  58.62		New OR
Silver	AHMANN-LEIGHTON, Christine	USA	  58.74
Bronze	PLEWINSKI, Catherine		FRA	  59.01
------
4	XIAOHONG, Wang			CHN	?
5	O'NEILL, Susan			AUS	  59.69
6	SANDERS, Summer			USA
7	VAN ALMSICK, Franziska		GER	?
8	SHITO, Rie			JPN	?
 

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From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Re: Question for Shi Chunde
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 20:57:06 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Jul24.144639.123534@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Edwin X. Li) writes:
>
>apparently you haven't follow jchen's posting closely.
>this guy is a delusioned ultranationalist who has in
>his spare time devised a military plan to invade tawan

I have no intention to deny I am a nationalist. President
Lincoln is a nationalist. He had successfully defended
the United States and made this country a great country. 
If TIers dare to seperate our country, I have no hasitation 
to follow President Lincoln and send them to tomb.
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From: 31he@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: San1 Mao2's books
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:41:25 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Hi:

I feel sorry that you can not enjoy San1 Mao2's books, I think her books are
quite interesting, especially Saharah, from the book you can feel her attitude
toward life and people, her love to the surrondings, as well as her humor. 
A few times already after read the book, when pick up one again, still can not 
help smiling. I think if you can learn a liitle bit tolerate and love as San
Mao, you will enjoy life more.

About Qong2 Yao2, I should say her novel can not say as novel at all. When you
read more, all the women are the same, all the guys are the same, all the life
are the same. However, San3 Mao2 know she is an ordinary woman, so she just
write about her own, that's why they are all so truly allive in front of you.


Sincerely
Xiaoxia


In article <1992Jul23.133532.10186@nic.umass.edu>, s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
> In article <BrtK1G.Er3@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> cyeh@leibniz.waterloo.edu (Woody) writes:
>>
>>	ps: I don't like San1 Mao2's books. I have read 7 of her books at
>>	least twice. I still consider her work is not much better than junk.
>>
> 
> I would like to share my opion about San Mao's books: I don't like them
> either. I read her Sahara Desert and a couple of other books and got
> tired of them soon. IMO, San Mao is a little bit shen2 jing1 xi1 xi1
> (making fuss of nothing) (at least in her books). Her writing is
> completely woman-style (literally), but different from that of another woman
> novelist Qiong2 Yao2 in Taiwan. Qiong2 Yao2's books are drugs, so to
> speak, while San Mao's books are not worse than junk.
> 
> 
> 
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From: ysun1@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: Clark University
Date: 28 JUL 92 00:48:48 GMT


We should always be proud to be a CHINESE!
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: call for Ph.D theses
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:12:57 GMT
Reply-To: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Organization: University of Melbourne

In article <1992Jul28.203348.3675@tamsun.tamu.edu>, chen@cs.tamu.edu (Jianer Chen ) writes:
|> In article <712340398.13381@minster.york.ac.uk> yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
|> >Beijing Library Calls for Donations of Ph.D theses from oversea Chinese
|> >		5th May 1992
|> >
|> >So far, the library got 50 copies of Ph.D theses donations.
|> >It prefers the final "offical" copies (in either hard copies or micro
|> >films) but does not exclude "non-official" copies.
|> >It intends to collect all abstracts into a series of
|> >"The Abstracts of Chinese Ph.D Theses (oversea section)".
|> >Potential donators are invited to contact the sections of culture or
|> >education of oversea Chinese Embassies and to ask for a donation form.
|> >However, a direct correspondence with the library is highly encouraged.
|> >
|> >Correspondence: YAO Yong (?)
|> >
|> >Address:
|> >Collection Centre of Academic Degree Documents
|> >Beijing Library
|> >39 Bai Si Qiao Road
|> >Beijing, P. R. China
|> > 
|> 
|> Sending an official copy (i.e., a copy made by UMI) should have 
|> no problem.  However, I guess most people do not have an 
|> extra copy from UMI.  Buying a new copy from UMI after your 
|> first order form should be expensive.  What did you guys do? 
|> 
|> What will Beijing Library do with those unofficial copies? 
|> Will they make it a book by themselves?  This may cause 
|> a copyright problem, I guess. 

Why make a fuss, just send a copy of your dissertation with the degree 
approval letter would suffice.

Lin Can
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