HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rwh@visual.com (Rob Holzel)
Subject: Re: Mahler's 5th Symphony by Solti and remastering CDs
Organization: Visual
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 15:57:18 GMT

>Ok, but where DID the Berlin Phil appear in the US in the last 25 years?

>Conceivably Boston

Yes, they were here, but Karajan had to cancel due to his failing health
and Ozawa (heavy on the Zzzzz) had to step in.  

We are not a fortunate city in other respects.  Tennstedt has hosed us
a few times too.  I had tix for a Bruckner Eighth with him and the BSO and
was met instead with the Schubert First and Dvorak Eighth conducted
by a very silly man who danced around on the podium a lot.  Since this
is not the first time I've mentioned this trauma on the net, you can
imagine how I still haven't fully recovered.  :-)

I did see Herr Klaus do a bang-up Dvorak Ninth and Beethoven Sixth on one
occasion, though.


Rob 


Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu
Subject: Re: Beethoven's 10th. Symphony
Reply-To: pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu
Organization: SUNYA School of Public Health, Albany, NY
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:21:59 GMT

In article <CB.92Sep10111951@tamarack13.timbuk>, cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
>Owen Goldin writes:
[...]
>
>I've looked at Mahler's original and heard the arguments and listened to
>the result, and I consider this a Mahler symphony.  What else would it
>be--a work of Deryck Cooke's?  Aside from editorial questions, it works.
>I asked Giulini if he had any interest in it and he responded "It's not
>Mahler", but to me it is.  I'd like to know other netters' opinions.
>
>Chris Brewster
>cb@cray.com

  For me Mahler's 10'th is definitely Mahler symphony.  To but it briefly
it goes somewhere.  It has mahlerian structure. "Beethoven's 10'th" is just
a bunch of sounds put together - no thought behind it.

                                             Pawel Penczek
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: Le Sacre, Stravinski
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:16:24 GMT


In article <BuCxsJ.8Ix@cs.vu.nl>, lrozend@cs.vu.nl (Rozendaal L) writes:
|> I'd like to know which performance of 'Le sacre du printemps' is considered
|> the best. Any opinions?
|> 
|> --
|> Rhesa Rozendaal
|> 

The best, of course, is a matter of taste, but probably the "definitive"
performance is the one conducted by Stravinsky himself. Some people say
they don't care for his rendition of it, but as I recall Stravinsky said
the reason he recorded his own performance was because he was displeased
with the recordings he had heard, and wanted a rendition as he intended
it. Whether you like it or not is another matter, but it is what he
wanted, and in that sense it is most truly his music.

By the way, I think his rendition of his own work is very good indeed,
and I recommend it highly.
From: rmb@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu (Robert Braham)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: forthcoming Michelangeli recitals?
Date: 13 Sep 92 12:08:16 GMT
Reply-To: rmb@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Organization: Computer Center, CUNY Graduate School, New York NY 10036

In article <1992Sep1.123805.427@cine88.cineca.it>, Marco Simionato <simion@iveuncc.unive.it> writes:
>As some of you might know, pianist Benedetti Michelangeli
>never annonunces his recitals quite in advance.
>I would be grateful if anybody who knows about rumored recitals/
>concerts could let me know.
>Please reply DIRECTLY. Thanks.
>
>Marco Simionato

Please reply INDIRECTLY, ie, to the list (Id kill to go),
unless you and Marco plan to scalp the tickets.

Robert Braham
Graduate School of the City University of New York
Internet: RMB@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Bitnet:   RMB@cunyvms1.bitnet
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Music, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Organization: University of Maryland at Baltimore
Date: Thursday, 10 Sep 1992 15:40:23 EST
From: Tom Williams <TW@UMAB.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Sibelius 2nd
 <CB.92Sep9115920@tamarack13.timbuk>

Chris Brewster says:

> In technical terms I'd agree.  It's what he's "saying" that changes.  In
> #2 he feels obliged to pump up a false, theatrical emotionalism.  (I


I think the "false, theatrical emotionalism" depends *a lot* on the
conductor, the same as it does for Tchaikovsky.  When conductors
try to wring the last bit of emotion out of the 2nd, yes, it
(like Tchaikovsky symphonies) is going be pretty syrupy.

- Tom
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "Rich Fromm - 'Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.'  13-Sep-1992 2151" <fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Educating Rita... er, Phil Lesh (Phish sighting)
Reply-To: fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:49:39 GMT

Carl A. Wescott writes that Phil Lesh posted to rec.music.gdead asking
about Phish.

|>From: phlesh@well.sf.ca.us

Don't be so sure.  Just because somebody's user name is phlesh, it
doesn't mean that they're THE Phil Lesh.  Perhaps that person just
chose that userid.  Or, if they know what they're doing, they can
send a message and make it appear like it comes from some other user.
I've seen postings in the past (which were hoaxes) that supposedly
gave Jerry Garcia's e-mail address.

- Rich
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "Greg J. Pryzby" <gjp@virtech.vti.com>
Subject: Anyone interested in...
Reply-To: gjp@virtech.vti.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:33:36 GMT

.. having Phish make a video?

Last night I was thinking that it would be cool if Phish did a video. Now
before you flame this, please read the rest of the post ;^)

I imagine an animated video of Divided Sky. The story follows the narration
of the 11/91 Charlottesville, VA. People trekking through the field towards
the monolith.... Or Roll Like an Cantalope (!) with dancing fruits and 
vegatables.

Anyway would the band endorse any of these ideas? Maybe making an animated
video of the Gamehenge Saga available only at shows....

Of course I would volunteer my skill and time....

-- 
Greg Pryzby                                               uunet!virtech!gjp
Virtual Technologies, Inc.                                gjp@vti.com
Dulles, Virginia
Herbivores ate well cause their food didn't never run. -- Jonathan Fishman

******** Ask me about SENTINEL, The Ultimate Debugging Environment ********
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: jamie@access.digex.com (James Treworgy)
Subject: Re: Santana w vacuum?
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:06:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.180702.27462@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> jeg5s@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU writes:
>Just heard from Cali that Fishman brought out the Electrolux to
>play with Santana?  Wild rumor or "believe it or not"? Absurd
>display or crazy jam?  Anyone know? -- Ellis

He did this at the Vail, CO show too... which by the way I never saw a setlist
for so I will try to remember...

Buried Alive
Possum
Tweezer
Reba
YEM

there was at least one other song I think and Possum might be wrong but all
told it was a hot set...

anyway the vacuum solo was one of the hottest I had seen; Carlos just kind
of sat there with a bewildered expression on his face.  Trey and Carlos had
a crazy jam or rather a battle of guitar licks which blew me away during
the Phish part of the Santana show.  

-- Jamie
-- 
James A. Treworgy
jamie@digex.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: justin@galaxia.network23.com (Justin Brierley)
Subject: Re: Trey's voice on Fee
Organization: Dave's Very Own Personal System
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:23:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.174223.24354@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> herc.xaos.com!cjc@mofo.net.netcom.com writes:
>
>It sounds like he's singing through a megaphone. Tom Waits does that
>sometimes too. 
>
>Cassidy

Micheal Stipe has been known to do it too.

     HAROLD
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: King of the Delta Blues <JOHNSORN@bcvax1.bc.edu>
Subject: Spin Doctors at the Avalon - Ticket Grovel
Reply-To: johnsorn@bcvax1.bc.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:55:12 GMT

Hey now!
	I know its probably too late to be doing this, but I'll try anyway.
Does anyone out there possibly have an extra ticket for tommorow night's Spin
Doctors show at the Avalon? Please E-mail me with any information on getting a 
ticket for this sold out show. Thanks in advance.

				So Long, and Thanks for all the Phish
					Robert Johnson
					johnsorn@bcvms.bc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Bruce Willner <brucew@phaeton.ee.cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Avenu Malkenu:controversy
Reply-To: brucew@phaeton.ee.cornell.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:00:48 GMT

Just thought I should add in my opinions on this matter.

First of all, Avenu Malkenu is not a prayer.  It is a religious
song.  In Jewish services, and probably in other religions as 
well,  songs praising God, celebrating God, etc. are included
along with the more formal prayers.  There is a difference between
Avenu Malkenu and chanting the Alenu or the Sh'ma (for those
of you who are Jewish.  Everyone else probably has no clue what
I'm talking about).
The tone of Avenu Malkenu appears solemn to us;  however, this is
the Ashkenazic musical style from Eastern Europe.  I don't 
believe that the intention is to be sad or solemn.  Unfortunately,
the Jewish conservative and reform movements have too often made
the religious services into serious, somber events.  When I was in
Israel a couple of years ago, I remember seeing several orthodox
groups at the Western Wall dancing and singing in the celebration
of God, thanking God for allowing them to see that day.  

Judaism is supposed to be woven throughout your life, not just on
holidays or in synagogue.  Any place, in fact every place, is a
good place to celebrate God.

None of this says anything about whether or not Phish is poking 
fun at the song or religion.  Personally, I believe they are
not.  They do not sing the song with sarcasm or anything;  they
sing it with feeling, and a different beat.  I remember my first
show, at Arrowhead Ranch.  A friend and I barely knew any of their
music, and Avenu Malkenu was one of only two songs we recognized
that show.  When they started singing it, we looked at each other
in surprise and then started singing along.  It was our highlight
of the show.

                                    Bruce Willner
                                    brucew@ee.cornell.edu
From: augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Jeffrey Ehlinger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Net T-shirt  (to Matt Laurence?)
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:30:05 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)691-3865

brucew@phaeton.ee.cornell.edu (Bruce Willner) writes:
> Are there any net t-shirts left?  If so, I'd like to get one.
> I seem to remember that Matt Laurence was selling them, but
> I don't have your e-mail address, Matt.
> Could you send me whatever I need to know to order, please?

     I have been patiently waiting for information on getting a net-head 
shirt, but nobody has posted anything about it. I need this information 
too! Please send me e-mail!!!!!!

==========================================================================
** Mail to: Augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us        <<<Tower of Zot>>> Bflo, NY   **
** The bus came by and I got on, that's when it all began!              **
From: bing@Apple.COM (Christopher R. Bingham)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: New Songs
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:32:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.phish
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Sep15.021747.9876@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com writes:
>As for All Things Reconsidered, I was at the
>show in Keane (or is it Keene?) where it was first played, and I don't
>seem to remember it being any different than the current All Things
>Reconsidered.  I always thought that the "Re" part of "Reconsidered" was
>because the original theme for the NPR show is simply All Things
>Considered, so Phish's interpretation is "Reconsidered."

I was at the Keene show too.  It's sort of a dim memory now (I'll try to
find the tape and verify this later), but I think the first version was
called "All Things Considered" and stuck more closely to the original theme
music than "All Things Reconsidered", which came later and had more 
elaborations and variations on the melody.

Chris

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From: stein-c@acsu.buffalo.edu (Craig Steinberger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Spin Doctors in Buffalo??
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:37:02 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Buffalo CFD Lab

In article <1992Sep10.215243.10855@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> RKNIGHT%COLGATEU.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu writes:
>Could some kind soul out there please e-mail me any info they might just have
>on the Spin Doc's show in Buffalo this weekend?  I read a post about it
>a week ago or so, but have thrown it away... sorry to waste the bandwidth.
>        Your help is much appreciated.
>                                                Rob Knight

OK, here goes.....

The State University of New York FallFest '92 will be held this
Saturday, September 12th, starting at 1pm. The following bands will
appear (not necessarily in this order):

The Spin Doctors
The Mighty Mighty Bosstones (I think)
Human Rights
The Brand Nubians
Crash Test Dummies

The show will be held outside at Baird Point and is free to the public.
In case of inclement weather, the show will be moved inside Alumni
Arena, in which case there will be an admission charge (about 10 bucks
or so) for non UB students.

Here are quick and dirty directions to get to the University at Buffalo
for you out-of-towner types. This will get you to the campus. After
that, you're on your own:

Take Route 90 to Route 290 (toward Niagara Falls). Take 290 to Route
990 (towards Lockport). The first exit is the University at Buffalo.
Take the exit, make the first u-turn you can. Go straight until you
hit a light. make a right, and park in the parking lots on your left.
The best I can say from there is: Follow everyone else. Sorry, but
I was never much on giving directions. Good Luck!

-Craig



-- 
Craig Steinberger                               stein-c@eng.buffalo.edu
              SUNY at Buffalo, Computational Fluid Dynamics Lab
From: korwandr@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (DAN Korwan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: no more trades for now
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:20:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Subject line says it all.  Please don't e-mail anything about trades 
to me for a while.  I've filled my quota many times over.  I'll try to get to
all ten of you who have asked me for tapes as soon as I can.

Dan K

ps If you send anything to me after Mon morning Sept. 7, I probably won't get 
back to you.  Sorry, but I've just gotten too many responses.
From: bing@Apple.COM (Christopher R. Bingham)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Favorite Bowie
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:26:21 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.phish
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Sep14.142116.19088@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>, Jeff Althoff <jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu> writes:
> 
> I'll ask this question again since I asked it in the
> midst of the FY onslaught and people probably ignored it:
> What's your favorite version of Bowie? The 4/17/92 version is
> amazing and I'm wondering if they attain this level of wild
> abandon on all versions....

My favorite has got to be the Halloween Goddard College show in '89.
The band passed out about 6 cases of mac & cheese boxes (enough so several
hundred people could each have a box).  We were then encouraged to shake
the boxes (like maracas) along with Fish as he played the Bowie intro
beat on his cymbal.  Wow.

The rest of the show was priceless too, including the infamous
"runaway golfcart marathon" lyrics in Antelope.  (See the Phish Stories
file for a complete description -- I think it's in there...)

I still have my mac & cheese box, BTW.  "Grand Union Macaroni and Cheese
Dinner", a nice souvenir.

Chris

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Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: SCF8747@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Subject: Re: Phish Digest #492
Reply-To: SCF8747@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:23:54 GMT

this is about the prayer controversey...

It could be possible that this alliteration to the prayer was done out of 
affection for I think that there is very little doubt that at least One 
member of the band is jewish. What I mean by affection is when you like 
something alot you sometimes make fun of it another example is when your 
older brother teases you...its done out of affection some of the time (I 
don't have any syblings so perhaps those who do would like to disagree). I 
think that this alleteration was done out of respect for the religion and 
perahps the prayer itself. Perhaps it's a way for the band to celebrate the 
religion. there is a lot of celebrating in jewdism as well as prayer and 
the like.

Zonk.
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Lee Silverman <ST101137@brownvm.brown.edu>
Subject: Avenu Malkenu
Reply-To: ST101137@brownvm.brown.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:23:45 GMT

Phish has been playing Avenu Malkenu, sandwiched between
The Man Who Stepped Into Yesterday, for at least a year.
(First time I saw it was Smith College 2/9/91).  TMWSIY
is arguably Phish's most beautiful song (IMHO) and their
version of Avenu Malkenu has interested myself, my dad,
and the cantor from my temple.  I don't see anything
wrong with taking a beautiful song, no matter what language
it's in, and adapting it to modern-day styles.  I view
Avenu Malkenu, and all other prayers, simply as songs that
a person might sing to God.  In that respect, Phish is
simply singing a "cover" of a 3000 year old song.

Other views?


Set the Record Levels for the high gear of your soul!!
Pandion                                       Pandion@Brown.edu
(Lee Silverman)                               ST101137@BROWNVM
From: ELEE@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Birthdays
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:55:28 GMT
Reply-To: ELEE@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Organization: The Internet

Howdy...
	I saw someone's post asking for band members birthdays:
		Page's birthday is May 17
	This I know because of the Union College show last spring, at which
Rob Johnson, myself, and other people got the chance to escape from all of
the drunken frat-boy mayhem, get backstage and have a little bit of Page's
cake, which Trey had brought out during the show....
	(personal to Rob....did any of your pictures come out that night?
	 please email me or contact me about this; my camera was busted..)

					Adios for now,
					Ed Lee
					elee@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Dark Helmet <X53N@slumus.bitnet>
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: X53N@slumus.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:47:45 GMT

hey-

   new rumored dates...
           november 26 and 27 in burlington.  A friend that goes to
green mountain college in vermont says that there are flyers going
around his campus that confirm this.  I'll try to confirm.

                                  mike
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "Rich Fromm - 'Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.'  13-Sep-1992 2143" <fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Trading Cipollina
Reply-To: fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:40:52 GMT

Not to step in as a self-proclaimed PhishNet policer, but I think we've
agreed that it's not proper to post tape lists to the net.  If you want
to trade tapes, please post an offer to trade on the net, and then send
lists by e-mail.  Or we might have some way of posting lists at the ftp
site?  Is that still operational?  Lee?

Phishfully yours,
- Rich
From: MH1406@student.law.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Helping Phriendly Book
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:48:17 GMT
Reply-To: MH1406@student.law.duke.edu
Organization: The Internet

Hey kids,
    I'm curious as to the status of the HPB.  I know other posts have
gone out asking a similar question (long before the seas of racism
and other useless blather), but I don't recall any responses too it.
The book is way out of date, but I hope people have been keeping
track of set lists and whatnot from the past year ( and I hope they
archived the Santana-opening lists as well).  I would like to get in
touch with whomever is in control of this project (last I heard it
was John Friedman, but I have no idea if this is still true).  I
particularly have a bunch of corrections, changes, additions, etc.
that need to get filed.  In the same vein, I'd like to offer some
help to the Lyrics file (including such things as adding a
transcription of the Chapel Hill "Roll Like a Cantelope" from Nov.
1991 and adding the lyrics to some non-Phish tunes that they cover).
Will the respective parties in charge of these projects please
contact me, so that I can help?  Thanks folks.

Matt Heller

P.S. Someone was collecting addresses for additions/corrections to the
Phish mailing list.  I think it was the ever-loquacious, well-spoken
Shelly C., but I could be wrong.  Whoever was doing this, could you
as well contact me?  I need to get an address correction to them, and
want to do this in time for the next mailing.  Again, thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: MLAVOIE%COLGATEU.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Subject: Re: Phish Digest #503
Reply-To: MLAVOIE%COLGATEU.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:59:35 GMT


actually, this is about the fall tour


there is not going to be a cornell show currently....  the dates of
november 20/21 will be at rochester and binghamton (i don't remember
which one is which night) and the 27/28 (the w-end after thanksgiving)
are going to be at the Capitol theatre in Portchester....  I got this info
from the man who books it, so i think it's accurate... there are going to
be other shows in the ne area, and the only one that i definitely remember
that's "out of the ne" is philly...  so philly phish phans get psyched

this should all be 100% correct.... don't be too bummed if it isn't.

Mike
From: shell@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Shelly Culbertson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: New Songs
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:47:01 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.berkeley.edu

Justin -- or is it Harold? --

When you ask about a show in the spring where a number of new songs
were played, you must be referring to March 6 & 7, 1992, at the
Portsmouth Music Hall in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.  Here are the
songs that were played for the first time at each of those shows:

March 6, 1992 (debuts)
----------------------
Rift (old lyrics, new music...by the way, does anyone have a copy of
      the old version of this to trade??)
Maze
All Things Reconsidered
My Friend, My Friend
Mound
NICU
Sleeping Monkey
(audience signals were also explained for the first time this night)

March 7, 1992 (debuts)
----------------------
Silent in the Morning
Weigh
Cracklin' Rosie (Neil Diamond cover) 

Hope this answers your question...

Shelly
From: herc.xaos.com!cjc@mofo.net.netcom.com (Cassidy Curtis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Trey's voice on Fee
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:42:23 GMT
Reply-To: herc.xaos.com!cjc@mofo.net.netcom.com
Organization: The Internet


It sounds like he's singing through a megaphone. Tom Waits does that
sometimes too. 

Cassidy