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From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Movie indentification request
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:46:08 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)

In article <1992Aug18.225930.6419@ioe.ac.uk>, teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN
DAVENPORT) writes:
|>In <1992Aug18.193625.3226@cunews.carleton.ca>
wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes:
|>
|>>In article serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee) writes:
|>>>In article jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
|>>>>> In article Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
|>>>>> ...
|>>>>>> We are trying to identify a movie remembered from about 1980.
|>>>>>> Here is the plot:  A highly lethal virus escapes from an
|>>>>>> experimental lab in Canada.  The first victim is a bird.  Some
|>>>>>> children on a snowy playground bury the bird and in touching it,
|>>>>>> start the spread of the disease.  A woman flees to the USA, not
|>>>>>> realizing she is safe from the disease, but she is a carrier and
|>>>>>> leaves death in her wake.  One stop she makes is at a fast-food
|>>>>>> place that has just received an order for many sandwiches to be
|>>>>>> delivered.  An employee touches the money she gives him and goes
|>>>>>> on making sandwiches...
|>>>>>> 
|>>>>I believe it was "Rabid".  It starred Marilyn Chambers as the
|>>>>carrier.   
|>>>
|>>>I don't think it had anything to do with rabids. Some scientists design a 
|>>>bacterie (sp?) that will help plant growth. But the bacterie has a side 
|>>>effect, it attacks the nervous system...Can't remember the title of
the movie.
|>>>
|>>>Serge 
|>>>
|>>I checked my closest video store for "Rabid", and from the description
|>>on the case, there is a close match to the requester's description.
|>>Until someone who has actually seen this movie verifies it, my vote is
|>>for "Rabid" as the movie being looked for.
|>
|>Rabid was on in the UK recently, and from what I remember, the woman
|>who was infected became so because of an odd skin graft after an
|>accident involving her, a motorbike and a van. I don't remember anything
|>about a bird, or the kids burying it. This was Rabid directed by David
|>Cronenberg.

   Nope, it definately is NOT Rabid. I think the film was called
"Virus". The video box had a beaten up old car with a human skeleton at
the wheel on the front cover.                                           
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From: RCARR00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Rick Carroll)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: THE CLOWN IN "IT"
Date: 15 Aug 1992 04:18:19 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Aug14.163116.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>
streuer_d@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
 
>
>Please, all you experts out there ... who played the clown 'Pennywise'
>in Steven King's movie "IT"?
>
>I watched the credits, but never did see it.  It was suggested King played
>the part himself - but the voice wasn't right and I don't believe he
>could act that good.
>
Well, if I remember correctly, it was that sweet transvestite from Transexual
Transylvania, Tim Curry.
 
RIC
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Clockwork Orange (Re: Premiere's Top Ten SF Movies)
Date: 11 Aug 92 22:45:38 GMT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

> In article <TNT.92Aug10115954@netcom.com> tnt@netcom.com (Terry Turner) write
> >
> >and yet when i read the book (in the seventies) around the time that 
> >i saw the movie i distinctly remember a major difference between 
> >them. i later read an interview of burgess in which he stated that 
> >he did not like the movie because it changed his story in a 
> >fundamental way. 
> >
> >sadly my memory has failed me. i cannot remember what this difference 
> >was (only that it existed). can someone refresh this decrepit ones 
> >fadded memory? 
> 
> The UK edition of the book had the final chapter.  The movie that
> was made was based on the American version, so ended with Alex
> back to his old self.  If the movie had ended as Burgess had
> ended the book, Alex would have grown older and realized the
> mistakes of youth.  He would have arrived at the same moral
> conclusions as those imposed by the state, but as a "natural
> orange" as opposed to a clockwork one.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> This is not a .signature

The "missing chapter," from what I remember, was not a chapter that 
Burgess really wanted to add.  If memory serves me correctly, he added 
the last chapter because everybody who read the book wanted a nice, trite 
ending instead of being left, very abruptly, with Alex back to his old, 
ultraviolent self.  I'll have to look around... I know I have this 
information somewhere in a photocopy from a magazine.  Really, I do! :-)

Besides, I loved the ending without the last chapter.  I remember when I 
read it for the first time, I got to the last page, read the last word, 
and turned the page thinking "There must be more."  Nope.  Then, I 
thought to myself.  "Cool..." :-)


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From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Natives Down the River (was re: ALIEN^3 Eggs on Sulaco)
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:08:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu

In article <5748@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>From article <4871@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, by seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp):
>> 	That's the point. LIFE has some un-nice points. If you're CREATING an
>> entire universe, why make things as badly constructed as real life?

>If you don't want to confront the un-nicety of the Universe, why do
>you watch films like Alien?

	ALIEN was a great haunted-house film or horror film. I went there
to be (a) scared out of my seat, and (b) to see how the bugger would get
nailed.

	Please note that in the end the heroine wins.

                                 Sea Wasp
                                   /^\
                                   ;;;
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From: jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma)
Subject: Re: Natives Down the River (was re: ALIEN^3 Eggs on Sulaco)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:41:02 GMT

mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:

>Just a few nitpicks.

>From article <9223300.27213@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, by jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma):
>> An AI sophisticated enough to do this on its own is inconsistent with Aliens. 
>No, it's not.  If you can build a brain like Ash's and Bishop's and
>fit it into a person's head, then they can also put it into a ship.
>"Mother" on the Nostromo was a bit like that, but very weak.

Agreed, but you miss the point... There was no "Mother" on the Sulaco that could
have done what the original poster postulated. Probably because...

>It could be that the military doesn't trust artificial brains to run
>its ships.
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aka James William Patrick Bennetts |  dead, man... their signs are real low, 
jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU         |  but they ain't dead!"
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When in doubt, use brute force.	   | "F*ck that!"
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From: jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Natives Down the River (was re: ALIEN^3 Eggs on Sulaco)
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:46:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:

>Sorry to disagree, but attributing depth and subtlety is a
>contradiction per se, not merely to any specific film, and Ash serves
>especially well for this, since he performs the same role as Burke
>does.

OK. Now I see where you were coming from...

The point that *I* was trying to make was that the characterisation of the
third film was, IMHO, non-existent. (Though, let's face it, none of the three
films were masterpieces of characterisation.)

Ash being a better character than Burke, though? What was his motivation... He
was programmed to do it. Yeah, real depth there.

>> Hardware does not necessarily rule out characterisation. 

>I completely agree, and my above comment does not imply any kind of
>causality...

Oh. Sorry. Guess I'm getting a little touchy in my old age (20).

>...but Aliens really is devoid of characterization, and instead relies on
>caricature.

Caricature? That's a bit harsh, isn't it? I'd say sterotypes.
(Except, IMHO, for Ripley, Hicks, and Burke... OK, Burke is revealed to be a
stereotype, but I think Cameron succeeds in keeping that from us. You don't.)


-- 
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JJ Glamma                          | "Hey look... The Sarge and Dietrich ain't
aka James William Patrick Bennetts |  dead, man... their signs are real low, 
jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU         |  but they ain't dead!"
-----------------------------------+ "Then we go back in and get them!"
When in doubt, use brute force.	   | "F*ck that!"
		-- Ken Thompson	   |	-- PFCs Hudson & Vasquez, on loyalty.
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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Alien^3?
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:31:23 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug21.083710.11866@engage.pko.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (Two days and a wake-up...) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.005658.25530@socrates.umd.edu>, caruso@socrates.umd.edu (John Caruso) writes...

*>Which only goes to demonstrate that the filmmakers couldn't see what was
*>right in front of their nose. If I was Ripley, my train of thought would
*>be:

*>(1) The Alien doesn't want to kill or hurt me because I'm carrying a
*>    queen embryo.
*>(2) I hate this Alien, and I want to kill it.
*>(3) Because of (1), if I try to kill it, it won't fight back.
*>(4) If I get doused with acid trying to kill it, I'll die, but I'll die
*>    anyway when the embryo "hatches", so who cares?  If I die this way,
*>    I might kill the embryo in the process.

*>At that point, I'd pick up a heavy iron bar, go down into the tunnels,
*>find the Alien, and whack the living shit out of it.

First, what are the odds that the Alien would just sit there and take
a beating?  It can still run, you know.  Probably faster than Ripley.
It can climb walls.  It can disappear (not literally, but it's damn good
at hiding).  I don't think Ripley would get a single hit on it.

*>This would've been the logical end to Ripley's story. If they'd done it
*>this way, I don't think it could've salvaged the film as a whole, but
*>it would've resulted in a better film than what we got.

Hardly.


-- 
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From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Aliens the Special Edition
Summary: the thread that would not die...
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:16:28 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: irpsws80.ucsd.edu

In article <5715@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
(Markus Stumptner) writes:
>From article <xz2mlw#@lynx.unm.edu>, by lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble):
>> kdontas@gmuvax2.gmu.edu ( ) writes:
> 
>>> One question, where did the facehugger come from that was to impregnate
>>> Dallas ? 
>
>There is NOTHING in Alien to suggest the Alien can't lay new eggs.  No
>scene, no remark, no hint.
>
>Therefore, the solution, simple, straightforward, and without holes:
>The Alien himself laid the egg that produced the facehugger that
>impregnated Dallas.  This clearly is the intended meaning.

Markus:
It certainly isn't clear to me.  I was never under the impression that
Dallas was actually impregnated with the footage of that scene that i
saw.  And even though there is nothing that says that the Alien _can't_
lay eggs, it does not mean that that is true.  Until it is shown me
that the alien lays eggs, i'll stick with the queen-hive theory.

(remainder deleted)

-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
From: streuer_d@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: THE CLOWN IN "IT"
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:31:16 GMT

Please, all you experts out there ... who played the clown 'Pennywise'
in Steven King's movie "IT"?  

I watched the credits, but never did see it.  It was suggested King played
the part himself - but the voice wasn't right and I don't believe he
could act that good.

Thanks.
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien 2,3
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:00:26 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <RATINOX.92Aug19211821@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu>, by ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri/Stainless Steel Rat):
"r" == robrod <robrod@csa.bu.edu> writes:
 
r> What I really hated about Aliens is that after the military got
r> completely overmatched by the aliens, comes Ripley, turning into
r> superwoman, and singlehandedly [...] kicks their ass

> Yeah, so what's your point? This kind of thing has been a staple in Rambo
> movies and the like for ghod-knows-how-many years now.

That only makes it worse.  (Or was that a failed attempt at sarcasm?)

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From: jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Naming Alien 4
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:15:50 GMT
Reply-To: jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman)
Organization: Organization?  We don't need no steenking organization!
Discliamer: Upon my being captured or killed, my professors will
            disavow any knowledge of me, my statements, and/or
            my mission.


In article <edd151s.713586079@nella1.cc.monash.edu.au> edd151s@nella1.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr I.P. Rayner) writes:
>Or, we could always go for Aliens' (on the homeworld), A Fistfull
>of Aliens (set in the old west), 7 Hosts for 7 Aliens (a few
>sequels down the line...)... sigh, I remember the speculation for
>III - Three Aliens and a Little Lady, The Three Aliens,
>Alienses... :)

  (Sorry, I deleted the last posts in this thread, but I wanted this
message.)

  After a Fitsfull of Aliens, don't forget :

  For a Few Aliens More
  The Good, the Bad, and the Alien
  High Plains Alien
  Two Aliens for Sister Sarah  (Or should that be Sister Newt/Ripley?)

  Or how about :

  Aliens IV : The Search for Newt
  Alien Without a Cause

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From: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au (Steven Cavanagh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: ALIEN 3 - The mystery deepens...
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:14:21 GMT
Reply-To: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au
Originator: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au

From article <92Aug12.194048.22926@acs.ucalgary.ca>, by jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell):
> 
> I say we corner Ward, Hill and Fincher (those to blame for the
> flick) and make 'em explain.
> 

I say we give the bastards a public lynching! ALIEN ^3 is the movie
that never should have been made.



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From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: alien(s)^n, a theory
Summary: the aliens are product of hyperdyne bioengineering
Keywords: alien, movies, corporate shenanigans
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:02:48 GMT
Organization: sio
NNTP-Posting-Host: lutherlab.ucsd.edu

Maybe this is what happened:

Shortly after the "terminator wars", cyberdyne or hyperdyne or whatever
company was contracted by the government to develop a lethal
organism to infect a newly discovered intelligent civilization in
deep space.  They came up with the termite/wasp/terminator clone that
we are familiar with in the Alien(s)^n series.  Of Course, the derelict
ship on the haunted planet was an escapee from the doomed planet, after
it had been fatally infected.   Years later, the government or company
wanted to check on the success of the project and dispatched Ripley
and Co. to check it out.  I guess the government/company (are they one
and the same?) was afraid of any competition and wanted to do the other
joes in.  It stands to reason: in Dark Star, the zany crew is out blasting
asteroids or planets on errant courses that threaten earth colonies, so
it is stated.  This method of Xenocide is a little more subtle.  

What else can explain the great love of Ash for the Deadly One, and the
fact the the company seems to forget that it sent the Nostromo over
to investigate an sos/warning signal.  There is a cover up here of 
galactic proportions.

I hope and pray that in Aliens^4, Ripley wakes up from her bad dream
in mid-flight and wrestles with this issue, changes the course of the
Sulaco and endeavors to locate the home planet of the mysterious 
intelligent race that the evil terrans have sought to destroy. 
Finding a handful of survivors, she returns to earth with a cageful
of specially trained nasties that go only after corporate executives. 

postscript:

Just saw a bad movie called "Creature",  with Klaus Kinski in a
cameo role.  It was no doubt a parady of Alien, but instead of
the snappy teeth and projectile jaw, it would wrestle you down and
sort of GNAW on you.  Two things: (1) the design of Kinski's space 
helmet:  it looks suspiciously like the one he wore in "Aguirre:
Wrath of God", (2) there is a creature point of view shot of humans
that looks a lot like the ones in Alien^3. Oh and (3) the LA Effects
Group worked on "Creature" - did they have anything to do with Aliens?

-Jeff Bytof
-Institute for Remote Exploration
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From: wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill)
Subject: Re: Movie indentification request
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.movies
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:36:25 GMT

In article serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee) writes:
>In article jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
>>> In article Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>>> ...
>>>> We are trying to identify a movie remembered from about 1980.
>>>> Here is the plot:  A highly lethal virus escapes from an
>>>> experimental lab in Canada.  The first victim is a bird.  Some
>>>> children on a snowy playground bury the bird and in touching it,
>>>> start the spread of the disease.  A woman flees to the USA, not
>>>> realizing she is safe from the disease, but she is a carrier and
>>>> leaves death in her wake.  One stop she makes is at a fast-food
>>>> place that has just received an order for many sandwiches to be
>>>> delivered.  An employee touches the money she gives him and goes
>>>> on making sandwiches...
>>>> 
>>I believe it was "Rabid".  It starred Marilyn Chambers as the
>>carrier.   
>
>I don't think it had anything to do with rabids. Some scientists design a 
>bacterie (sp?) that will help plant growth. But the bacterie has a side 
>effect, it attacks the nervous system...Can't remember the title of the movie.
>
>Serge 
>
I checked my closest video store for "Rabid", and from the description
on the case, there is a close match to the requester's description.
Until someone who has actually seen this movie verifies it, my vote is
for "Rabid" as the movie being looked for.

---tom

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From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place)
Subject: Re: Vasquez in Terminator2
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:48:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.014631.17260@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs) writes...

} I might be wrong, but I though Vazquez's real name is Jennifer Goldstein,
} not Jenette, which is why you had trouble recognizing her as Vazquez.

There's no "might" about it. You are wrong. It's Jenette, not Jennifer.

-- 

	"She's my radiation baby.
	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com