HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pnta@warren.med.harvard.edu (Patrick Nta)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Best mail interface for Unix ?
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:09:23 GMT
Followup-To: comp.mail.sendmail
Organization: Harvard Medical School

I'm looking for the 'best' mail reading program for Unix ( Sun /HP-UX).
Easy to use, install and manage. I've seen ELM 2.X. Are there any better
ones?
Please advice.

Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: boehme@unvax.union.edu (Eric M. Boehm)
Subject: Handling disabled accounts and large spool files, Ultrix
Keywords: spool diable dismail 
Reply-To: Eric.Boehm@union.edu
Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:04:37 GMT

I have 2 questions that other may have had to solve:
System: DECsystem 5000/200, Ultrix 4.2C, sendmail 5.65c+IDA 1.4.4.1

1. I have some users whose accounts are currently disabled (let us not
go into why). VMS provides the flags DISUSER,DISMAIL. I would like to
do something similar. I know I could probably alias the names and send
the input to /dev/null but I would like to be a little friendlier,
that is, provide information back to the sender that the account is
disabled.

2. Some users join mailing lists and then don't sign off. Mail keeps
pouring in. I would like the mail file to be one in their directory. I
know that this was discussed earlier -- the suggestion being that this
required rewriting/replacing /bin/mail. Any other alternatives?


-- 
Eric M. Boehm
Eric.Boehm@union.edu
BOEHME@UNION.BITNET
From: elias@mvax.uakom.cs
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: doubled domain name
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:50:37 +0100
Distribution: world
Organization: Institute of automation and communication

Hi,

could anybody write me please if it is possible to avoid this error :
elc.uakom.cs.uakom.cs ? ( domain name is 2 times ). I have exported
mailboxes using NFS and when I e-mail from other machine, it appends
the domain name as in the example below.

Thansks a lot,

Lubos.Elias@uakom.cs
-------------------------------




From elias Mon Nov 23 09:34:13 1992
Received: from elc.uakom.cs.uakom.cs (elc.uakom.cs) by sun.uakom.cs with SMTP id AA04399
  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:34:11 +0100
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:34:11 +0100


Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Heiko W.Rupp)
Subject: Re: sendmail+IDA host hiding question
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:46:05 GMT
Organization: The Home of the Pilhuhn

rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) writes:
>I believe the domain hiding is working properly.

In 5.65c+IDA1.43 hiding via domaintable works correctly.
-- 
Heiko W.Rupp  Gerwigstr.5  7500 Kh'e 1  hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org  +49 721 693642
Mustgo, n.:
	Any item of food that has been sitting in the refrigerator so
long it has become a science project.
		-- Sniglets, "Rich Hall & Friends"

Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
Subject: Re: Internet -> UUCP, MX, and different root domains
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:51:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.171516.27769@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul Robichaux) writes:
>
>Stupid sendmail question #27,905:
>
>I have a small, one-machine registered domain (fairgate.com) which
>receives MX forwarding services from a local Well-Connected Site
>(acatt.aidt.edu.) The two machines have been connecting via uucp for
>some time with no major problems.
>
>However, now that the DNS recognizes fairgate.com and can route mail
>to acatt for further distribution, no mail is making it past acatt.
>Outbound mail from fairgate does work, but appears with a
>"Return-path" of fairgate.aidt.edu.

It would appear that your mail is going out with an address 'fairgate!user'
and that your relay is converting this to 'user@fairgate.relay.domain'.

Guessing (from comments in your message) that you have a Sun,
you should try the following:

  1:  Use 'sendmail.main.cf'
  2:  Specify 'smartuucp' as your relay mailer.
  3:  Make sure that 'fairgate.com' is your domain.  If you have defined
      a NIS domainname of '.fairgate.com' this should be ok.  If you have
      an unsuitable NIS domainname, try defining '$m' in your 'sendmail.cf'
      with
	Dmfairgate.com
	Cmfairgate.com

Note that '$m' is a SunOS addition to sendmail, and may not be supported the
same way in other versions.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: veale@Colorado.EDU (Anthony Veale')
Subject: DECnet numeric addresses with 5.65+IDA
Keywords: DECnet numeric IDA
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:03:08 GMT

Hello,

We have recently started using sendmail 5.65 with IDA.  We are running on
a DECstation 3100 with Ultrix 4.2 (or possibly 4.2a) and DECnet is installed.
We have our DECnet name defined, but no DECNETNODES or XTABLE defined.

The problem I am having is in the rewriting of numeric DECnet addresses.
If an address of the form area.node::user is given to sendmail it turns
it into localhost::"user@area.node.dnet".  It proceeds to connect to 
the correct host (area.node) but sends to localhost::"user@area.node.dnet"
resulting in an infinite cycle of mailing.

It appears to be using rulesets 3,2,14 for rewriting the recipient,
even though 14 is the end ruleset for UUCP and 18 is for mail11.  But
3,2,18 does no better.  It creates a recipient of
localhost::user%area.node.dnet.

So the questions:

1) Does mail11v3 have some way of canonicalizing numeric DECnet addresses?
   And how to I convince sendmail to use it?  

   (I have gone so far as to "grep -i mail11 /usr/man/man?/*" looking for
    any manual information on mail11v3.  Nothing was returned.  Well, it
    took a little more than one grep command, but you know what I mean.)

2) Is there a safe rewriting rule that can handle DECnet numeric- area.node
   form addresses?  I want to prevent my users from addressing mail to
   user@text.text.dnet and confusing mail.  I guess if they used numbers
   I would allow sendmail to try to connect.

3) DECnet numeric addresses that are NOT area.node form work.  It is only
   a problem with the rewriting rule finding more than one token before
   the .dnet.  Can math be done on the tokens?  I.e. can a create something
   to do what I wanted (or part of it) from question 1?  [Replacing
   area.node with area*1024+node.]

I think a positive answer to any one of the three questions would probably
suffice.

--
Anthony Veale'                                veale@coma.colorado.edu   
Professional Research Assistant (System Manager Assistant)
Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy
Univ. of Colorado at Boulder                            
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: r-beer@onu.edu (Robert Beer)
Subject: Queue Message Problem on AIX 3.2
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:07:28 GMT

I have just started to experince a problem with messages being sent to
MAILER-DAEMON everytime the queue is processed (30 min).  The usual
problems are no route, connection refused, etc.  In the past this mail
quietly rested in the queue for 3 days (the option T value) then mail was
sent to MAILER-DAEMON.  Now it seems that everytime the queue is processed
a message is sent.  And, to add insult to injury, MAILER-DAEMON is an alias
to root which gets expanded so after awhile the "To: " lines start looking
like this:

        To: addressee
        To: MAILER-DAEMON
        To: addressee
        To: root
        To: addressee
        To: root
        To: addressee
        To: root
        ...

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
--
Bob Beer, Ohio Northern Univ., Academic Computer Services, Ada, OH  45810
r-beer@onu.edu

Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Best choice: pathalias/sendmail or smail?
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:18:35 GMT

In article <CKD.92Nov15224108@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:

> Leslie> Smail release 3.1.28 adds support for somewhat arbitrary
> Leslie> header-munging with contional string manipulation and database
> Leslie> lookups but I don't know if it handles everything IDA can do.
> Leslie> The configuration files are certainly easier to read, though.

>Easier than the .cf, or easier than the .m4 (assuming you use the canned
>Sendmail.mc)?  I find the .m4 *really* easy to read, especially given
>that it fits in an 80x24 window...

I have to admit that I didn't seriously try to understand the .m4 file.
When I first started using smail3 it was the only mailer that would
compile on SysV and do what I needed.  I've asked the same question
a couple of times in the past few years, though, and I'm not sure
anyone has answered who understood both mailers in depth.  Both
are complex enough that if you have one working you probably won't
tackle the other just for fun.  I think Smail3 has more innate knowledge
about how mail should be handled which can be good or bad, depending
on how strange your situation is.   In a typical setup, smail can
be compiled to use its defaults so you don't need a special configuration
file at all.  Where you do need a customized setup, it is broken into
parts for global values and the director, router, and transport definitions,
which relate to the steps smail uses to process an address.  

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: boehme@unvax.union.edu (Eric M. Boehm)
Subject: DECNET/OSI headers -- what do I do?
Keywords: DECNET Phase IV Phase V OSI Ultrix VMS VAXcluster
Reply-To: Eric.Boehm@union.edu
Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:25:29 GMT

I will try asking this question again, a little differently.

We have a VAXcluster running VMS 5.4-2 and DECnet Phase IV.

We have a DECsystem 5000/200 running Ultrix 4.2C and DECnet/OSI 5.1
(Phase V).

Currently, in the headers for DECnet mail, I am seeing things like:
  Union_College:.DNA_Node.ANN or Union_College:.DNA_Node.ANN.DECnet
sendmail w/IDA doesn't appear to like these.

I have tried adding these to decnetnodes and domaintable but nothing
seems to work.

My goals:
Mail from VMS to Ultrix shows as 

  From:  boehme%union_college:.dna_node.union.dnet

  To: boehme@unvax.dnet

The From address would be okay if I could reply to it, but I can't. My
goal is to reply to it.

The To address should either be boehme@unvax or
boehme@unvax.union.edu.

Mail from Ultrix to VMS shows as:

  From: UNVAX::"Eric.Boehm@union.edu"

  To: ann::boehme

The From address should be unvax::boehme or Eric.Boehm@union.edu. I
suspect it is in this format because I am using generic aliases.

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated (even pointers to
the appropriate documentation).

Thanks in advance.

Eric M.Boehm
-- 
Eric M. Boehm
Eric.Boehm@union.edu
BOEHME@UNION.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
Subject: Re: MX records for localhost
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:29:36 GMT

In article <BxzHJs.B2v@math.uwaterloo.ca> mskucher@math.uwaterloo.ca (Murray S. Kucherawy [MFCF]) writes:
>What's sendmail on host "A" supposed to do if its nameserver advertises
>an MX record for "A", and a user on "A" sends to another user on "A"?
>Should it send to the address indicated by the MX record, or should it
>just do the delivery?

Surely that is a local implementation decision.

If the purpose of the MX record is to have outside mail sent to a gateway
which can forward it, then the host itself would ignore the MX.  If
the MX points to a mailhost from which the mail spool files are mounted,
you might prefer to follow the MX so that deliveries are always done
on the machine where the mail spool sits.

The default is usually to ignore the MX, and send to the local mailer,
but this could be overridden by rules changes in ruleset 0.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: labelle@cs.wmich.edu (Patty LaBelle)
Subject: Translating US domain registry name to uucp address
Keywords: UUCP, MX records, Us domain registry
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:35:41 GMT

Hi

Probably I'm not reading the manuals right, but...

I've got a UUCP connection on my machine that has a US domain registered in
the US DNS database.  How do I configure sendmail to know that a.b.c.US is
the same as n.uucp?  Mail works fine if we use  UUCP style addressing for 
n.uucp, but we would like to be able to use their US name.  This is running
on a Sun 3/60 running SunOS 4.1.1.  The problem seems to be only on my machine
because the rest of the net successfully gets it to my machine first before
bouncing it back.

Please email me if you have hints, suggestions, questions etc. as I don't 
[unfortunately] get to read this group often.
Thanks for the help,

Patty

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Patricia LaBelle            | Internet labelle@coyote.cs.wmich.edu
Western Michigan University |          141.218.40.40
System Administrator CS Labs| Office   4039 Friedmann Hall, WMU
From: erik@src4src.linet.org (Erik VanRiper)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Re: Best choice: pathalias/sendmail or smail?
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:25:30 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: The Source for Source


In article <1992Nov14.052536.6743@cfctech.cfc.com> kevin@cfctech.cfc.com (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>
>defaults. What Mike was describing, however, was the test mode where virtually 
>EVERYTHING can be set up and run in a little test area -- aliases files, log 
>files, spooling directories, the whole 9 yards -- without interfering with the 
>normal operation of the incumbent mailer. This is a great feature for initial 
>transitions to smail3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one have to hack 
>the hell out of a standard sendmail.cf in order to achieve the same thing? 
>Smail3 tends to be somewhat more hierarchical in terms of the paths it uses -- 
>change the top node, and everything else pretty much falls into place.

This is true, and this part appeared to work fine last week.  :-)

>>A good portion of that 2 meg in the IDA package consists of documentation,
>>examples, and RCS directories.
>
>Smail3 doesn't exactly skimp on documentation, examples, design documents and
>the like, either...
>

However, if you are converting from an MMDF based system, and have never
used sendmail before, then trying to figure out what the hell the docs are
talking about is a task in itself.  I still have not figured out how to 
use the transports and directors and routers files correctly yet.  What would
be really wonderful is a set of docs that had my situation included:

hostmaster of a domain (linet.org) that has 8 other systems polling for
mail in that domain, and doing it over HDB uucp.  No tcp/ip or smtp.

ARGH!  :-)

If anyone has any help files or suggestions on how to get all this stuff
working together (my problem currently is getting smail to read the pathalias
database...), I would deeply appreciate it.

I set the Followup-to: to poster, as I am probably a great minority in this
and most do not want to hear how to fix my problems.  If there is sufficient
requests for a follow-up on progress, by all means speak up and I will post
or send reports or answers (addendums to man pages???) to those who request
it.

Thanx!

/* Erik */

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: craig@dimple.osf.org (Craig Peterson)
Subject: Re: Is it list_name-owner or owner-list_name?
Summary: its owner-list_name
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:18:57 GMT

sendmail likes owner-list_name.

-- 
Craig Peterson, n8ino	craig@mainstream.com
PO Box 1120, Merrimack, NH  03054-1120
Unless otherwise noted opinions expressed are not those
of my employers.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: nims@Andersen.COM (Christopher D. Nims)
Subject: NOQUEUE: SYSERR: What does this mean?!
Summary: help
Originator: nims@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Keywords: sendmail
Reply-To: nims@andersen.com (Christopher D. Nims)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:41:35 GMT

Valentino (sparc 1+) is a dataless client of our server Andersen (Sun
4/490).  We're running SunOS 4.1.3 and Sun's sendmail.  The clients are
configued to send all outgoing mail to the server andersen.  One of our
users is complaining that some of his mail isn't getting out.  The
following messages are showing up in /var/log/syslog:

Nov 17 13:57:59 valentino sendmail[1279]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR: net hang reading
from  andersen: Connection timed out
Nov 17 13:57:59 valentino sendmail[1279]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR: net hang reading
from andersen: Connection timed out

Can anyone shed some light on what that error message means?  Is it
something to worry about?

Thanks.

--
Christopher D. Nims
nims@andersen.com
Senior Network Administrator                               Andersen Consulting
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: I need an FAQ of this group, please.
From: imtst@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (I-Ming Tsai)
Date: 21 Nov 92 02:49:10 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: imtst@icarus.lis.pitt.edu

Hi:
	Is there anybody can point out where can I get an FAQ of
	this group ?  or send me the FAQ directly .....  :-)
	Any information will be appreciated !
-- Tsai
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: andrason@skiff.mitre.org (Jackie Andrason)
Subject:  Sendmail: user unknown 
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:37:08 GMT


We are having a strange problem with sendmail on sun4 slc's
running 4.1.1.  If a user sends mail to a list of people
and spells one of the user names incorrectly, then the people
in that list that come after the misspelled name do not get
the mail, even though the sendmail daemon just says that
the name was spelled wrong.  For example,  here is a sample
of a mail session:

Mail -v andrason hanson davis jjamison
Subject: test
This is a test.
Cc: lazear
andrason@skiff.mitre.org.113:  Trying 128.29.31.10...  connected.
220 gateway.mitre.org Sendmail 5.61/SMI-2.2 ready at Mon, 16 Nov 92 12:33:54 -0500
>>HELO skiff.mitre.org
250 gateway.mitre.org Hello skiff.mitre.org, pleased to meet you
>>MAIL FROM:<andrason>
250 <andrason>... Sender ok
>>RCPT TO:<andrason>
250 <andrason>... Recipient ok
>>RCPT TO:<davis>
250 <davis>... Recipient ok
>>RCPT TO:<hanson>
550 <hanson>... User unknown

It puts the users in alphabetical order, and does not mail out
after the unknown user (hanson).  jjamison & lazear do not receive
the mail.

Has anyone ever heard of this?  Is this a bug or can I fix it?

Thanks for any help.

Jackie Andrason
Sys Admin
The MITRE Corp.
andrason@gateway.mitre.org
From: babcock@CC.GATECH.EDU (Jim Babcock)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Re: M-M tech Fair participants wanted
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:39:42 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet



Attached is an portion of an announcement just released.  The purpose 
of this msg to to solicit interest in participantion at the M-M fair described.
There are about 10 (total) demo slots available in Ga Tech's GVU (Graphics, 
Visualization,and Usability) Lab room.  If you have an interest to be a demo 
participant with your work in-progress (or completed!) please apply to:

	Mike McMcracken, Director of CIMR
	e-mail: mike@cc.gatech.edu
	phone: 404-894-6172
	Fax: 404-853-9378 

Cheers, JIm Babcock
=============================================================================

			D R A F T 

The Center for Information Management Research (CIMR) is sponsoring a
multi-media technology fair at the College of Computing at Georgia Tech
in Atlanta Ga., on Wednesday, December 9 from 8:30 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. 

The purpose of the fair is to demonstrate state-of-the-art multi-media
technologies to potential users, and other multi-media researchers.  

We will showcase technology from vendors of multi-media technology as well as 
multi-media applications developers. You will see first-hand how this technology
is currently being used, or how it will be used.  Networked applications,
collaborative work, and innovative uses will be highlighted.  Also, the
award-winning Olympics interactive video developed by Georgia Tech faculty and
graduate students will be shown.

[...........]

CIMR was developed in 1988 at the University of Arizona and Georgia Institute 
of Technology to promote research that focuses on the complexity of today's
distributed organizations, the information systems that attempt to support
those organizations, and the complexity of developing such information 
systems.

The Center conducts research on behalf of its member companies. In addition, 
the Center provides additional consulting to its members upon request. 
Four of the eight member companies are also supporting enhancement projects,
specifically targeted at needs of those member companies.

In addition to annual meetings for the member companies, the CIMR conducts 
annual technology fairs, bringing together researchers, advanced development
engineers, and users of technology to showcase state of the 
art tools appropriate to the development or use of information systems.  
Planned future technology fairs will showcase CASE tools, collaboration 
technologies and network management systems.


[................]

===============================================================================-
From: nsb@THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (Nathaniel Borenstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Re: MIME mods for rn?
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:48:34 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

The metamail software -- available from thumper.bellcore.com in the
directory pub/nsb -- can easily be patched into existing mail or news
readers.  The next release of metamail will include a patch for trn,
but nobody has yet sent me a patch for rn.  In general, the patches
for different mail and news readers written in C are almost identical;
for anyone who knows the rn code and who has a copy of the metamail
patches for other C-based mail or news programs, it should take only
a few hours to write and debug an rn patch.

The existing patches are contained in the file "mailers.txt" in the
metamail distribution.  Anyone implementing patches for rn or other
additional mail or news readers is encouraged to send me the patch
for incorporation into a future release.  The next release is 
coming some time in December, so you'll have to act fast if you want
to get your rn patch into it!  -- Nathaniel
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media,comp.infosystems.gopher,comp.infosystems.wais