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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:36:26 +0000
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From:         e.j.craft@ASTON.AC.UK
Subject:      CD session limit reached.
X-To:         cdromlan@idbsu.idbsu.edu

Not a question - just a comment.

        ( Sorry if everyone thought I had disappeared and not answered any
messages, I've been on paternity leave )

        I posted a message a few weeks back about using a pascal program to
detect when all sessions for a CD are reached on an optinet system.

        Mark Cain of Xavier then said that errorlevel *IS* set by onet (
nice of them to document the fact 8-) ). **MANY** thanks, Mark !!!

        However I have another problem that Clyde Grotophorst's (George
Mason Univ) program to check for limit reached has solved :

        In giving all of the campus access to the library CD system we run
the risk of being unable to access the CDs from the library when we want
to. An altered form of Clyde's program lets us check whether ALL SESSIONS
EXCEPT ONE are being used. This check is done from all of the campus except
the library so there will always be 1 session left for the library.

        The only problem here is that if a CD has a ten user license, the
campus can only be guaranteed 8 sessions
        ( Library logs on first, then everyone else logs on but the last
session is reserved - 8 sessions. If everyone logs on first and the library
last then the campus has 9 sessions. )

        This is not exactly a problem but if anyone can think of a better
solution ...



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From:         Steven Kriby <kirby@ATHENA.CS.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Compact Cambridge and LANs
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Anybody out there tried to run the Compact Cambridge Life Sciences Collection
on a LAN?  We're Novell 3.11/SCSI Express.  Any pointers would be much
appreciated, since this thing has given us fits as a standalone product.
Thanks!

Steven Kirby
University of Georgia
kirby@athena.cs.uga.edu
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:24:48 BST
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From:         RGLYNN@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK
Subject:      SCSI Express, CD-NET licences

Can someone tell me in multiples of which number/s SCSI Express
and CD-NET licences go?  Is it 2-8, 9-16 ... or 2-5, 6-10 ... ?
In fact, it would be useful to know if all such licences go up
in eights rather than fives.

Thanks in advance.

Ruth Glynn
CD-ROM Project Manager
Electronic Publishing
Oxford University Press
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From:         Jim Loya <0004602295@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Drive Dismount Problem.
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MDI certifies that at least ONE drive on a SCSI Express system must be one of
 their
modified Toshibas -- after one initial unit of that configuration, you can add
 on
Toshibas, Chinons, Hitachis or whathaveyou... that is my experience.

We have problems dismounting volumes through the CDROM.NLM and standard 3.11
 dismount
commands and have to unlock/dismount the volume through the monitor and/or
 rconsole.

-Jim Loya, General Manager, Systems Integration Division
-Image Services, Inc., 85 Emerald Street, Suite 175, Keene, NH 03431
-(603) 352-7371 (800) 827-5478 FAX: (603) 357-8935
-460295@mcimail.com
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From:         Daniel Dion <DXD0N@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>
Subject:      Re: tcp/ip
              23 Jul 92 09:00:44 EDT from <NLANIEL@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>

yes I know what they are talking about. Please elaborate.

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Subject:      Re: your mail
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X-cc:         Peter Solomon <psolomon@a.cni.org>
              92 4:47 pm

>
> I would like to subscribe to your list
>
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:16:00 +1000
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From:         HANSG <HANSG@VAX7.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: SCSI Express, CD-NET licences
X-To:         CDROMLAN%IDBSU.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU

Ruth,

Most SilverPlatter licenses seem to go up in eigths, except for PAIS which
has an intermediate step of four. DIALOG databases (MEDLINE and COMPENDEX
in any case) go up by tens. The UMI data bases may be licensed for any
number of simultaneous users (from 2 onwards) that you wish to nominate
and pay for.

Hans Groenewegen,
Monash University.  Melbourne.  Australia.
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From:         "LANDRUM,HOLLIS" <h1immhl0@WESIM3.WES.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      tcp/ip
X-To:         cdromlan <cdromlan@idbsu.idbsu.edu>

Following the discussion on tcp/ip and cdrom connectivity, I would
like to know if anyone has had success going from the tcp/ip
environment to DOS. George Beckett mentions several problems running
netbios on top of tcp/ip as well as terminal emulation problems
encountered when trying to telnet to a CD-ROM environment.  It is
evidently easier to go in the opposite direction--that is from DOS
to tcp/ip.  I have heard that is "possible" to encapsulate
ipx when running tcp/ip, as long as you are using a pc, not a dumb
terminal--but the main problem with this is speed.  We have tried
running a telnetd demon on a host DOS machine with partial success--
the major problem encountered here is the terminal emulation.  Telnet
is not designed to display pc graphics.

Hollis Landrum
Information Systems Specialist
Research Library
U.S. Army Waterways Experiment Station
H1IMMHL0@WESIM3.WES.ARMY.MIL
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:55:00 PDT
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From:         Nick G Carter <ng_carter@PNLG.PNL.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Max. SCSI cable length?

                       Subject:                               Time:12:41 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          Max. SCSI cable length?                Date:7/22/92
Does anyone know what the SCSI spec. is for the maximum distance from the
controller card to an [external]  CD-ROM drive?

According to PC Magazine, OCt. 16, 1990, p.343, SCSI "allows devices to be
cabled up to 25 meters from the host adapter."

Nick Carter
Automated Systems Administrator
Hanford Technical Library
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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 07:10:02 CDT
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From:         "Wendy Plotkin (312) 738-1121" <U58755@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Use of Full Electronic Texts in Libraries

I am interested in learning about libraries and university departments
that have electronic texts (e.g. Thesaurus Linguae Grecae, Intelex's
Pastmasters) available, and the demand for these products.

Other than the Columbia University Electronic Text Service and
University of Michigan system described in John Price-Wilkin's article
in Library Hi-Tech last December, I am not aware of libraries that
have these.

Also, are libraries other than Marquette University and the Library
of Congress digitizing their special collections?

Thanks for your answers--I apologize if this is an inappropriate question
for this bulletin board, and would appreciate suggestions for other
places to post this request.

Wendy Plotkin
Dept. of History
University of Illinois at Chicago
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:52:00 EST
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From:         OUNANIAN@BABSON.BITNET
Subject:      disk caddies

I saw a note several weeks ago suggesting a place where one can buy the CD
caddies that you insert directly into the tower; not jewel boxes; the
caddies with the little metal clip on the bottom.  I guess I deleted the
note.  Could someone please send me that name and address again?  Thank you.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:53:36 METDST
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From:         cdromlan@BIOTOUL.FR
Subject:      Compact Cambridge and LanMan
X-To:         cdrom products in Lan environment <cdromlan@idbsu.idbsu.edu>
X-cc:         Emmanuel Courcelle <manu@hpsrv.biotoul.fr>

Steven Kirby writes in cdromlan:
>
> Anybody out there tried to run the Compact Cambridge Life Sciences Collection
> on a LAN?  We're Novell 3.11/SCSI Express.  Any pointers would be much
> appreciated, since this thing has given us fits as a standalone product.

We are here very interested too, but we have a Lan Manager based local area
network, with a HP-UX (ie Unix) server. We can connect to this Lan other (OS/2)
servers, if necessary... but I am not sure that compact cambridge works with
Lan Man.

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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:11:33 EDT
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From:         "Clyde W. Grotophorst" <WALLYG%fen1.gmu.edu@GMUVAX2.GMU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Max. SCSI cable length?
X-To:         CDROMLAN%IDBSU.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu

The manual that came with the NEC CDR-73's I have says 6 meters. The
shielding of the cable makes a lot of difference as you approach the
limit...

+===================================================================+
| Clyde W. Grotophorst    Library Systems Office  Fenwick Library   |
| George Mason Univ       4400 University Drive   Fairfax, VA 22030 |
| Voice: (703) 993-2239   wallyg@fen1.gmu.edu     BBS:(703) 993-2219|
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:48:53 EDT
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From:         ARNOLD@MICRODES.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM
Subject:      Re: SCSI Express, CD-NET lice
X-To:         CDROMLAN@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU

To: CDROMLAN POSTINGS

>Can someone tell me in multiples of which number/s SCSI Express and CD-NET
>licences go?  Is it 2-8, 9-16 ... or 2-5, 6-10 ... ? In fact, it would be
useful to know if all >such licences go up in eights rather than fives.

In regards to SCSI Express for Novell NetWare, there is no limit to the
number of users.  You are only limited by the maximum number of users that
your version of NetWare supports.

- Arnold Jones
Micro Design International, Inc.
arnold@microdes.mhs.compuserve.com
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:57:28 EDT
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Comments:     Resent-From: Lloyd <LPARK@KENTVM>
Comments:     Originally-From: Gerry Oxford <OXFORD@FLIS.UTORONTO.CA>
From:         Lloyd <LPARK@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Novell/CBIS problem

We are not having the same problem, but I do remember reading in the
CBIS version 1.20C manual that you need to use the same version of IPX
and NetX on the CD-ROM servers and all workstations using the servers.

I do know that our copy of 'FileTalk', which allows access to other
workstation's hard disks for backup purposes, quit routing through our
3.11 Netware server when I upgraded workstation shells a year ago.  So
it seems to me that different shells may be incompatible when routing
through a server.

Please let us know when you figure it out.

Lloyd Park
Kent State University Library
Systems Office

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I've just installed a CBIS server on our LAN. We run Netware 3.11, with 2
ethernets and 2 arcnets plugged into the server, and no other connections
or servers (except for a Charon mail gateway plugged into one of the
arcnet stations). So IPX traffic is local to the 4 strands. Problem is, I
can use the cdserver from stations on the same strand of ethernet, but
from nowhere else (not exactly true, it worked once from the second
ethernet, the day the installer was here, natch). The CDUSE command fails
to find the cd server, and times out after about a minute with a DOS 54:
116 error message.

Gerry Oxford  <oxford@flis.utoronto.ca>
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:23:20 +0000
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From:         e.j.craft@ASTON.AC.UK
Subject:      BBS software and CDs
X-To:         cdromlan@idbsu.idbsu.edu

Does anyone have any experience of using BBS software when it comes to
providing CD based services ? At the moment we have 10 ( soon to be 32 )
CDs available across campus to anyone with a PC. A lot of people on campus
use Macs ( spit 8-) ) and want some form of access. There are a lot of
*expensive* hardware solutions but I am wondering about setting up a BBS
with the CDs attached.

The simpest alternative would be Procomm + or Telix but I want something
with more multi-user/logging/security.

Would anyone with any experience ( sysop or user ) please e-mail me direct
and I'll post a summary of responses when collected !

Regards !



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From: k2@bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de (Klaus Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Max. SCSI cable length?
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:41:16 GMT

Nick G Carter <ng_carter@PNLG.PNL.GOV> writes:

>                       Subject:                               Time:12:41 PM
>  OFFICE MEMO          Max. SCSI cable length?                Date:7/22/92
>Does anyone know what the SCSI spec. is for the maximum distance from the
>controller card to an [external]  CD-ROM drive?

>According to PC Magazine, OCt. 16, 1990, p.343, SCSI "allows devices to be
>cabled up to 25 meters from the host adapter."

The maximum cable lengths are:

single ended SCSI (most often used): 6 meter

differential SCSI : 25 meter

You should take the 6 meter limitation with single ended SCSI seriously!
Especially with synchronous transfers you would get unexpected results 
with longer cables. You must also take the internal cable lengths of
your boxes into account. This could be a non marginal number!
As an example, a MIPS Magnum RC3230 (or CDC CD4330) which supports
up to 3 internal drives, has 1.38 meter internal SCSI cabling.

With FAST SCSI-2 there are even more restrictive limitations.
I'm not sure about the correct numbers, but I believe
FAST SCSI-2 restricts the cable length to 3 meter with Single Ended.
With differential, 25 meters are allowed.

Sincerely,
Klaus Steinberger
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Internet: Klaus.Steinberger@bl.physik.uni-muenchen.de
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:44:00 CST
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From:         "LANDRUM,HOLLIS" <h1immhl0@WESIM3.WES.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      list of network cdroms
X-To:         cdromlan <cdromlan@idbsu.idbsu.edu>

Please excuse if this question has been asked here before, but
does anyone know of a list of NETWORK version cdroms--one that
includes licensing specs and prices for each application?


Hollis Landrum
Systems Specialist
Research Library
U.S. Army Waterways Experiment Station
H1IMMIHL0@WESIM3.WES.ARMY.MIL
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:02:13 -0400
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From:         Mike McCaffrey <MCCAFFRE@FLIS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Statistical Masterfile
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              cdromlan@idbsu.BITNET

    This is being cross-posted to libref-l, govdoc-l and cdromlan.  Please
excuse the duplication.
    Our library is considering the purchase of the ASI/IIS module of
Statistical Masterfile.  We've done some research on it and have found some
rather interesting reviews but would like to know if anyone has anything
else to add.
    We have a large and, in my opinion, outstanding collection of IGO
material and subscribe to the Readex depository and non-depository set of US
Federal government publications on fiche.  Our collection is particularyl
strong in statistical material.  As we (unfortunately) file our fiche by
Monthly Catalog(ue) number we are most interested in finding out if the MoCat
numbers are entered into the CD in a timely manner or if they, like the
Marcive people, wait until the GPO tapes are updated.
    Any comments would be greatly appreciated.


*****************************************************************************

      Mike McCaffrey
      Government Publications Section
      University of Toronto Library
      Voice: (416) 978-3931
      Fax: (416) 978-1608
      mccaffre@flis.utoronto.ca

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From:         FB23@VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Novell/CBIS problem
X-To:         CDROMLAN%IDBSU.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU

Gerry:

We had a similar problem some time ago.  We have a multi-building LAN
connected with a fiber backbone, and a broadband cable backbone.  When we
first installed the fiber backbone, we ran redundant connections to fiber
and broadband.  CBIS was accessible from all buildings.  Later, we pulled
the connection to the broadband and ran straight fiber.  The CBIS servers
dissappeared outside of the Main Library, although they were perfectly
visible from within the building.  We did some snooping with the  Sniffer
and found that the CD Servers were broadcasting a network address of '0',
therefore, people on other segments could not see the server.

The problem was traced to our CISCO fiber routers.  The ROM version had
recently been updated and the address was not being passed.  CISCO supplied
new ROMs, and we have been communicating perfectly ever since.

While this may or not be the exact problem in your case, you may want to
check to see what bridges and routers lie between your segments and do a
little "sniffing" to see what is visible from the CD Servers on various
segments.

Arne J. Almquist
University of N. Texas--Libraries
P.O. Box 5188
Denton, TX  76203-0188

ph. 817/565-3024
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