HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Rumor: Cosar-Argic-Mutlu Used in Fusion Experiment
Summary: the exploding chick pea bomb 
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 14:58:57 GMT

In article <199301020340.AA10170@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.
delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) wrote:

[ST] Hey folks, happy new year to start off. I logged on to check the
[ST] new year news and son-of-a-gun, Mutlu's disappeared again. The latest
[ST] fight in news.admin.policy may have done it, as this time our feathered
[ST] friend took his Turk-o-phonics to the big guys...
[ST] 
[ST] If you havent's checked it out, you oughta to. Some interesting trivia
[ST] about his mail/news feed also. 
[ST] 
[ST] Let's see if that was the silver bullet after all. 
[ST] 
[ST] Hoping but not convinced,

Please Spiros...let's not underestimate the resolve of a pack of hermaphrodite
Turkish fascists! However, I suspect you gave it away with your "bird" analogy! 

Rumor has it that Lawrence Livermore Labs heard the Cosar-Argic-Mutlu tag team
was afflicted by a very rare, and heretofore unknown, case of chronic tenesmus,
caused by five years of eating dry bird food (and prune juice) in the form of 
chick peas and never taking a "break". LLabs required a local explosive capable
of fusion temperatures. After hearing of the expected explosion someplace in
Minnesota, the U.S. government asked Ankara (based on a prior NATO agreement) 
to borrow this "accumulated compresson" for a new form of fusion power known as
"Revision-Inversion". Yet to be proven in practice, this new method of power is
based on the ability of transveral abdominal force fields to counteract an 
outward pressure of accumulated CH4 under pressures over 1.24556 E+15 kg/cm2.

If this experiment works, it will prove once and for all that the Cosar-Argic-
Mutlu tag team can in fact also "revise" the binding enery curve...and get away
with it! If successful, the Turkish government will have their own version of
an atomic weapon called the exploding chick pea bomb or the "patlamis lelbeli" 
bomb!


-- 
David Davidian <dbd@urartu.sdpa.org> |"The massacres? Oh well! They merely  
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | amuse me!"  -Talaat Pasha, architect of 
P.O. Box 382761                      | Turkish the genocide of Armenian people. 
Cambridge, MA 02238                  | (Four Years Beneath the Crescent, p 208) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Serdar's admirer!!! (Re: Merry Christmas, Argic)
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:34:49 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

hilmi-er@andy.enet.dec.com (Hilmi Eren) writes:


>In article <BznuJL.AqE@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:

>|>David Morning writes:
>|>>hilmi-er@tess.enet.dec.com writes:
>|>>|>Yannis Schoinas writes:
>|>>|>>faruk@bcars6f5.BNR.CA (Faruk od Bosne) writes:
>|>
>|>[Expressing 'admiration' of Argic]
>|>
>|>
>|>>|>Yes, it is Christmas and it's this time of the year that miracles do
>|>>|>happen. And even Serdar Argic, the most despised net persona, the lover 
>|>>|>of the kill files, the (in)famous broken AI program, has found an admirer.
>|>>|>Days of magic and grace,:-).
>|>>|>
>|>>|>Perhaps, I should get Serdar out of my kill file these loving days. Don't 
>|>>|>you think that I was too mean to have kept him there for so long?
>|>>|>
>|>>|>					Enjoy the holidays,
>|>>|>					     Yannis.
>|>>|>
>|>>|>ps: Faruk, you were kidding, right?
>|>> 
>|>>PS2: No, i think he was not kidding, and i agree with him.
>|>>     If you don't have anything sensible to say then shut up!
>|>
>|>What you think Mutlu ^H^H^H^H^HCosar^H^H^H^H^HArgic has something sensible
>|>to say??? Wow!! WOnders will never cease!!
>|>
>|>I think Yannis had something sensible to say, so why don't YOU shut up!
>|>
>    If you really think so, then where is *your* argumentation? 

Yes I do think so, Mutlu is full of crap - simple as that.

>    I forgot, as usual you have none, please don't waste your time
>    to write stupid things  like :"WOW, and ^H^H^H^H^..... 

So why are you posting stupid little comments like the one you opened up with
then hmmm?

>    If you have the least sensible thing to say then i'm listening, else  
>    you should SHUT up too.

Oh I do beg your pardon, I didn't realise we needed your permission to post to
Usenet. Silly me. Why don't you tell Mutlu to stop wasting his own and
other people's time by not posting stupid little comments?
..and why don't you do likewise, or do it via e-mail like everyone else?

Dave
--
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: The Greek authorities deny even the existence of a Turkish
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:17:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


>That should make my point on the original article pretty clear. When
>you deny something pretty much obvious, like the Turkish/Muslim
>minority, you

 What is this nonsence all about?

 How does the Greek government deny the existence of the Greek community
when:

1) The Greek Government has been paying to maintain Turkish language
schools in Western Thrace since the 20s. As a result the literacy rate
of Turks in Western Thrace is higher than that of their relatives
across the border. Contrast that with the long standing policy of the
Turkish Government to forbid the use of Kurdish in public places. Until
recently, it was even a crime to speak Kurd at home! It is still a crime
to speak Kurdish outside one's home.

2) There are usually two or three Turkish representatives in every Greek
parliament. They take their parliamentary oath on the Quran, and give
public speaches in Turkish, etc. Thats for the Turks who are less than
1% of the Greek population. When have Turkish Kurds been afforded these
rights? And they are 20% of the Turkish population.

3) M.U.T.L.U./A.R.G.I.C. keeps spewing nonsence about the trial of one
of the Greek Turkish MPs. He neglects to say that the trial was
conducted by a local court, that higher courts and authorities threw the
case away, and that the MP in question never had to serve a day in
prison, again in contrast with thousands of Kurds locked up in Turkish
prisons for political reasons.  MUTLU/ARGIC has no problem posting
misrepresented reports of Amnesty International when they make
references to localised problems in the greek justice (which happen
everywhere in the world, as A.I. routinely exposes violations in the US,
Great Britain, and elsewhere), yet he turns around and posts vernom
about 'Travesty International' when AI produces a wholesale condemnation
of the atrocities of the Turkish prison system.

Michael

(I would include a MUTLU FODDER line, but considering the contents of
the above, I don't think it will be needed)
                                                                               
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: deltah@ccs.northeastern.edu (Hariklia Delta)
Subject: Re: W/E News
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:36:15 GMT


(Spyros Gavrilakis from "stoxos")
>>Tsantalis still sells its wine under the name Makedoniko, without
>>proclaiming clearly that this term can only signify a Greek product"

It should say somewhere that it is "product of Greece". May be not with big
bold letters but I am pretty sure that it says it somewhere.


("Christina C. Christara")
>The wine Makedoniko has been produced for years and years,
>and always sold well. You don't have to "clearly proclaim"
>that it is Greek.

You and I know that it is Greek but what about the rest of the world? Lets 
say that one of my american friends give to an other of my american friends
a bottle for Cristmast present. Do you think that either of them will realize 
that it is actually a Greek product? Chances are that they will both believe
that it is a product of the new state that claims that name.


                                                   ---  Xapa

PS: On second thought the example with the americans was not that successful.
    Two of my american friends asked me if Greece was an island and at least
    five of them thought that Greece and Cyprus was the same country! In that 
    case try the above example with English or Germans or ...



Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: scg@bashan.cs.wisc.edu ( Scg)
Subject:  Argic, open your mouth...
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:32:44 GMT

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From ucnick%umuc.bitnet@harvard.harvard.edu  Tue Dec 22 00:30:46 1992
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From: UCNICK@UMUC.BITNET <Nick Gavrielatos@harvard.harvard.edu>
To: soc-culture-greek-post
Subject:     Argic, open your mouth...

Just a second, let me get a good one... (I am pushing now)...

AAAAAaaaahhhhhh.... what a relief.... I know it didnt sound
too much, but this spcific kind does not have a lot of sound..

That's why is called SBD meaning Silent, But Deadly! :-)

Take a big breath now to get some oxygen, otherwise you 
might get high... that is, you might get higher than you 
already are... and you are pretty god damn stoned son-of-a-bitch!

As for the broken nose, I think you got me confused with someone
that might have had similar last name with me(Re Gavrilakh esena
leei to mouni?), because there is not a single turkiyeki prostitute
in this planet that could stand up to just half of me...
See you after the Holidays honey, till then keep the bed warm, 
and me come do you wild thing to you to wish you happy new year!

Nick Gavrielatos
To Sixameno Plasma
UCNICK@UMUC.BITNET
From: gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros Gavrilakis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Stating relegion on IDs (Re: W/E News)
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:00:42 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <1992Dec22.063804.17896@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>  I disagree with this statement. Greece is the only EC country
|>  which neighbors to a non-Christian country. And this creates
|>  a lot of political friction.
|> 

Could u plz explain the above?  Documenting relegion will probably
cause friction with other EC countries rather than anything else.

sg

|> 
|> 
|>  Gr
|>
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Where is our feathered friend?
Date: 1 Jan 1993 21:40:26 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hey folks, happy new year to start off. I logged on to check the
new year news and son-of-a-gun, Mutlu's disappeared again. The latest
fight in news.admin.policy may have done it, as this time our feathered
friend took his Turk-o-phonics to the big guys...

If you havent's checked it out, you oughta to. Some interesting trivia
about his mail/news feed also. 

Let's see if that was the silver bullet after all. 

Hoping but not convinced,

Spiros
--
(Why didn't Santa get me the Logitech Scanner I asked him?)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: Chrys Pelegris <chrysp@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: MILS?!
X-To: ALL
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:56:05 GMT

Hmm.. maybe its a problem on my end, but I don't think so.

Did anyone bomb MILS headquarters or something?  I've been waiting for the
lastest Skopjian propaganda, for weeks now, nothing.

Its like taking the comics section away from the newspaper, I want MILS
back!

Either send your responses in email or publically, publically would be better
because I'm sure other people are wondering the same thing..

Sigh..

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Continuation on CYPRUS, ENOSIS, EOKA, PALIKARIA
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:45:54 GMT
Keywords: The king of the paliks

cza@troy.cc.bellcore.com () writes:

>Mr. baysan personal attacts are not the way to handle
>paliks; especially this king of the paliks.

 Pezevengs know much better ways to handle paliks. Right?

> Many soldier freinds
>of mine said that the towns were empty and the main
>streets were jammed by the abondon cars to block the
>Turkish army move.  Some of those cars were still running.

 Ever thought of moving to Hollywood?  With such fantasy (e.g., some
 of the cars where still running) you could make considerably more profit.

>C. Akgun

 Panos Tamamidis
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: RE : MACEDONIAN NATI
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:54:13 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Antonis Michailidis (aim@csc.liv.ac.uk) writes:
)Erland Sommarskog (sommar@enea.se) writes:
)) If you have been following this discussion properly, you know very
)) well that Macedonian schools clearly teach their pupils that Ancient
)            !!!!!!!!!!!
)) and Slavic Maceodnians are not related. As for the SAS postings, they
)) come from different sources, including some funny nutheads in Australia.
)
)This is a lie.

First of all, it is not a lie, since it would mean that I know one
thing, and then say the other. And I am not.

)The Skopjan schools, which are certainly not Macedonian, teach their
)pupils exactly the opposite. I know a Skopjan pupil who gave me this
)information. In the past, claims similar to yours have been challenged
)in this net, but nobody provided any pointers to what is the official
)history being taught in Skopjan schools.

There are have been several reports from sources more realible than
you, clearly saying that Macedonian schools are teaching that Slavic
and ancient Macedonians are not related.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Jag gav en k{ck tjeck en check.
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Re : Macedonian Nationality
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:34:47 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England


 
> Slavic Review, Winter 1986
> Horace G. Lunt
> ==========================================================================
>                                         ^
> I don't know who's that fucking bastard |
> 
>  I wanna tell you something :
> 
>  It does not exists a Macedonian Nationality.
>  I am greek and I was born in the place which called Macedonian ok!
> 
>  Your " Macedonian Nationality " are only stupid slavian poeple.
> 
>  Read a little bit history and you gonna see the true ==>
>   Macedonian is greek.


Don't you just love the sophisicated arguments Greek propagandists use -
once again we see that the modern Greeks are steeped in the traditions
of the ancients such as Plato, Aristotle (*not* a Macedonian BTW) etc.

Why don't you read some history instead of propaganda? You could start
by looking at the last milennium of the history of Macedonia.  But if
that's too modern (it often is for Greek revisionists) you could look at
the ancient *Greek* orator and *friend* of Philip II, Isocrates, who
thought the ancient Macedonians weren't Greeks (Philip 107f) or the
ancient *Greek* historian Arrian who sharply differentiates between
Greeks and Macedonians in his history of Alexander the Great (try
Anabasis 2.10.7 for starters). 

The Ancient Macedonians were neither ancient Greeks nor Slavs, nor the
only Macedonians who ever existed (times do change you know) and their
legacy belongs to *all* kinds of Macedonians, not just one group of them.

No one, I think, is trying to deny there are GraecoMacedonians, it's
just that a lot of people think that Greece's attempt to appropriate
this name for its own exclusive use is not only a product of warped and
distorted scholarship, which makes it plain silly, but also causes
needless suffering which makes it morally reprehensible as well. 

Why not try sharing something which clearly you can't steal just for
yourself? That way we could all be happy - it is the season of good will
you know.

Merry Christmas

Andy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Ignorance is bliss?
From: cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 3 Jan 93 00:21:21 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

As a new subscriber to this newsgroup...and a total idiot when it comes to
world history...let alone the history of southeastern Europe...could someone
please explain.....in 100 words or less this controversy over Macedonia?

I am becoming interested in this because I'm hoping to soon move to Greece for
a while...and I don't want to look like an idiot (well, not a complete idiot
anyway) when I get there.

I realize it would be impossible to understand this Macedonia "thing" in 100
words...but as it is, I can't begin to comprehend what you people are arguing
about!

Sincerely,
--An Idiot
From: sparangi@aludra.usc.edu (Themistocles Sparangis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: U of Thessaloniki
Date: 21 Dec 1992 07:48:46 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

One way to get to the University of Thessaloniki is to send mail to
the system operator or administrator at the following address:

MITRAKOS@ALIAKMON.CPERI.FORTH.GR

Dimitris Mitrakos was the system operator about six months ago, if he
isn't now, you could tray to FINGER the operator to get the current
name.

Also a good service to get names of domains, operators etc. is at the
University of Colorado.  You can telnet there using this address:

BRUNO.CS.COLORADO.EDU or 128.138.243.151

login in as:

NETFIND

Or is your system supports WHOIS you anc use the WHOIS function to get
addresses, domains, etc of people registered to the WHOIS system.

Good luck in finding what you need.  I was successful myself, even
though it took some time (and a lot of patience)!

Themistocles Sparangis
U.S.C.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:11964 soc.culture.yugoslavia:10325 soc.culture.europe:10913
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: How typical (and pathetic) are the sources that they use
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:38:44 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Lambros Skartsis (ls1@cec1.wustl.edu) writes:
>I have said that a certain knowledge on the Macedonian issue should be a
>prerequisite for any meaningful discussion (I'm refering to
>Erland, who, once more, started a thread). If this knowledge
>existed we wouldn't have all these discussions moving on tangents,

So do you think the Greek particpators in this debate knows everything
they need?

And, no, I didn't really start the thread. That "credit" goes to
Milan Pavlovic.

>whether it is the above (i.e., "seing something in an Encyclopedia"),

Yes, I saw in it a encyclopedia so it must be a lie. Come on, we
have had people in this newsgroup claiming that there is not a
pre-1940 source including the Republic of Macedonia in the geo-
graphical region of Macedonia. If you are asking for prerequisites,
what did you say to that person?

Do you think propaganda which supports your case is better, even if
there is not an inch of truth in it?

>         - WHEN (end of 19th cent.) and WHY this extension of
>           the geographic notion of Macedonia occured, by whom
>           and serving which interests -  with the expanded
>           geographic notion coming the creation of a nation
>           and an "appropriate" historical theory that you all
>           had the chance to see in a recent posting.

It should also be known who it would serve to change this definition
today!

>You have to understand though that you CANNOT  be strongly arguing, 
>creating long thread after thread, based on only this amount of knowledge -
>which, at least as far as the net is concerned, is nothing but
>screaming propaganda from one side or the other.

Now, tell me how much what has been posted from Greek contestants
on this issue is *not* propaganda? By your definition above, any 
single line?

>If you are really interested and not playing around, you should at least first
>get familiar enough with a topic, especially an extremely complex
>one like the above.

Thanks. That applies to many of you Greeks as well.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Jag gav en k{ck tjeck en check.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: karakoles@itm.Transylvania.Ro (Demetrios Karakoles)
Subject:  Dokimh --  Mutlu, sthse kwlo ki ...
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:53:59 EET
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   ... ERXOMAI   !!!


Demetrios Karakoles, Transylvania, Ro.
From: androut@ecf.toronto.edu (ANDROUTSOS DIMITRIOS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Re : Macedonian Nationality
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:47:23 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility

You say that Ancient Macedonians were neither Greek nor Slavic.  How come then
the Slavic people of Skopje claim to be direct descendants?  If anyone has
the right to claim direct descention from the Ancient Macedonians, it is the
Greeks who intermingled and whose culture and blood mixed.
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Arxid stats for the last two weeks (regular post)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 07:58:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

This week's stats show our feathered friend in the #11 spot, with
170 articles posted, 871 KB of volume, and accounting for less than
0.1 percent of traffic.

  11   170     871.4  0.1%   sera@zuma.UUCP  (Serdar Argic)
                              14% soc.culture.europe
                              14% soc.culture.greek
                              14% talk.politics.mideast
                              13% soc.culture.turkish
                              13% soc.history
                              10% talk.politics.soviet
                              5% soc.culture.soviet

Surprisingly, he has stopped posting in his home group of soc.culture.turkish.
Any explanation/theory will be appreciated. I am anxious... Also, today's
pick had 29 Arxidies (articles) in one shot.  

Spiros
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