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From:         "Marla K. Thomas" <MKTHOM01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      New Member Orientation

I think this is a GREAT idea. The Orientation should include a briefing on the
CUMREC committees, and some pointers on how to get the most out of the
conference. At previous conferences, the first-time attendees were given a
special ribbon to wear on their badge. Getting them together will be a great
way for them to meet each other, too.
,nl

Best Wishes,
Marla K. Thomas               || MKTHOM01@ULKYVM.Louisville.edu
Director, Information Systems || MKTHOM01@ULKYVM.Bitnet
University of Louisville      || Phone: (502) 588-0914
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:24:57 EST
From:         ADEJ000 ERNEST JOHNSON - computer center <ADEJ@NMUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      INFOR on EUROPE

MY DAUGHTER WILL BE TRAVELING TO CENTRAL EUROPE WITH A BUSINESS
CLASS THIS JULY. THE CLASS IS LOOKING FOR INFORMATION ON THE COUNTRIES
THEY WILL BE VISITING. " GERMANY, AUSTRIA, SWITZERLAND, HUNGARY,
AND CZECHOSLOVAKIA"
THEY HAVE ALL ALREADY WRITTEN TO A NUMBER OF PLACES INCLUDING THE
HUNGARIAN EMBASSY AND THE US CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, BUT HAVE NOT RECEIVED
A RESPONSE AS OF YET. THEREFORE I AM ASKING FOR YOUR HELP FOR ANY AND
ALL INFORMATION YOU MAY HAVE OR FOR THE ADDRESS OF SOMEONE OR PLACE
THAT THEY CAN WRITE TO.

THANK YOU

  ERNIE JOHNSON                          VOICE 906-227-2410
  NORTHERN MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY           FAX   906-227-2204
  COMPUTER CENTER                        BITNET ADEJ@NMUMUS
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From: WHAYES@SUVM.BITNET (Bill Hayes)
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Subject: Re: Data Element Naming Conventions
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:40:16 GMT
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     Kay,
         Sorry for the long delay in this reply. Here at Syracuse University
we established a glossary of standard abbreviations to be used to create
data element names. The glossary is maintained by the DBA group and all new
data elements are compared against the glossary file and reviewed and
approved by the DBA group (maintenance to the glossary is also a charge
of the DBA group). All data items begin with a 3 character acronym for
the system name/database name. Sample names might look like:
                    * where XXX is the system/database name
     XXX_ID         - where ID is an identification (number)
     XXX_UPD_DTE    - where UPD is update and DTE is date
     XXX_UPD_TME    - where  "   "  "     and TME is time
     XXX_UPD_CNT    - where  "   "  "     and CNT is count(er)

     The glossary will be built very quickly and it insures a uniformity
not only within systems/databases but also across them (making it easier
to figure out what data items represent in databases your not familiar
with). It's also a good idea to standardize on FORMATS for your dates and
times (as much as possible).

     I hope this isn't too late to help you.
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:27:00 PDT
From:         Liz Dietz <SRED0@UCLAAIS.BITNET>
Subject:      4th Annual DB2 Symposium

I would like to post a notification that I think will interest many of
you, this should be an exciting and informative conference.  Installed
higher education DB2 users are invited to participate by making
presentations in the area of any of the tracks.


      ANNOUNCING: THE 1992 HIGHER EDUCATION DB2 SYMPOSIUM

      DATE:        AUGUST 30 - SEPTEMBER 2, 1992
      HOST:    UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA/LOS ANGELES (UCLA)
      SPONSOR:   IBM ACADEMIC INFORMATION SYSTEMS (ACIS)

   THEME:  INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY - TOOLS FOR TRANSFORMING ADMINISTRATION

Preliminary Program Topics:

GENERAL   * Transforming Administration at UCLA
SESSIONS: * Information Architecture - John Zachman
          * DB2 Trends and Directions - IBM
          * "Right Sizing" With OS/2 DataBase Manager - R. Riley
          * Experienced User Q&A Panel

TRACK I.  INFORMATION WAREHOUSE, DISTRIBUTED INFORMATION
          * US Census Data Database - UCLA
          * Campus Wide Information Access Systems - ACIS
          * Client/Server Applications
          * Multimedia as a Database Front End
          * ImagePlus as a DB2 Application

TRACK II.  SYSTEMS MANAGEMENT
           * DB2 Migration Issues
           * DB2 and QMF Systems Tuning
           * What's New with DB2 - IBM
           * DB2 Recovery Issues
           * DB2 System Management Tools - Vendor Presentations

TRACK III.  APPLICATIONS
            *  UCLA DB2 Applications Overview:
                   ASAP - Automated Signature Authorization Process
                   Student Systems
                   Public Affairs/Alumni QMF Reporting Database
                   Financial Systems
                   Payroll/Personnel
           * Implementing Vendor Packages-Joint Vendor/Client Presentations
           * FOCUS and DB2

TRACK IV.  CASE, DEVELOPMENT TOOLS
           * Data Dictionary, Data Administration at UCLA
           * DB2 and CASE
           * Why data modeling?
           * Vendor Presentations

The purpose of the Higher Education DB2 Symposium is to offer a forum
for higher education users of relational database systems and related
technologies.  Installed higher education DB2 users are invited to
participate by making presentations in the area of any of the tracks.

For more information on attending or making a presentation:

UCLA COORDINATOR:                    ACIS COORDINATOR:

 Elizabeth A. Dietz                    Ardis M. Hansberry
 Administrative Information Systems    ACIS - Emerging Technologies
 310-825-5329                          310-447-5225 (T/L 625)
 SRED0@UCLAAIS.BITNET                  AHANSBER@LSAVMIC4.VNET.IBM.COM
 SRED0@AIS.UCLA.EDU
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:33:14 -0400
From:         "Morris Galloway Jr." <mmgall@HUBCAP.CLEMSON.EDU>
Subject:      Endowment Unit Accounting
X-To:         CUMREC-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Is anyone using a package to calculate unit shares of new gifts to
the endowment which are invested in a pool?  We would be interested in
solutions for UNIX, VAX/VMS or DOS.

Are your solutions home-grown or packaged?  What do you like or dislike
about them?

Thanks in advance.

Morris Galloway Jr.    mmgall@hubcap.clemson.edu
Presbyterian College   +1-803-833-8217
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:12:14 EST
From:         Chris Phillips <CPHILLIP@UMAB.BITNET>
Subject:      INFOR on EUROPE

Best place to write for information is the Cultural Attache of an embassy;
it's the PR section that has ready made brochures and other materials about the
country.
Chris Phillips, Director
Campus Management Information Systems Project
University of Maryland at Baltimore
Phone: (410) 328-0026      FAX: (410) 328-0029
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:24:00 EST
From:         JHTOPPIN@OWUCOMCN.BITNET
Subject:      Laser printed envelopes

At Ohio Wesleyan University we have been able to get upto 75 envelopes
at a time using the IBM 4019 LaserPrinter.  The newer unit, 4029, is said
to do even better.  We are of course still looking for something better.

John H Topping
Ohio Wesleyan University
JHTOPPIN@OWUCOMCN
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:28:46 EDT
From:         "Judith B. Judkins" <jbjudkin@COLBY.EDU>
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	Colby College is trying to find a better way to print large
(for us, large is > 100) groups of envelopes with Apple Laserwriters
in our network environment.  We found an envelope feeder available
from Elite Business Applications in Philadelphia, but have had lots of
trouble trying to get one and to make it work once it finally arrived.
Does anyone on the CUMREC list have the EnvelopeJet 250 or its recent
replacement model?  Can you make it feed more than 10 to 15 envelopes
before it jams?  Can you get anyone at the company to return your call
and/or try to help you?  Can you suggest any other way to get laser
printed envelopes short of hiring one or more staff to hand feed the
envelopes for batches in the 100-3000 range?

************** ************** ************** ************** **************
      Judy Judkins		 internet:  jbjudkin@colby.edu
      Computer Services
      Colby College
      Waterville,  ME  04901
      (207) 872-3583
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:59:52 EST
Comments:     Resent-From: "Scullion, Ken" <ADMN8639@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
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From:         "Scullion, Ken" <ADMN8639@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA>
Subject:      Forwarding Message to CUMREC-L.
X-cc:         pierson@hg.uleth.ca

I am forwarding this message for a colleague that is not a member of
CUMREC-L.  I'll forward responses to the list or please feel welcome
to respond directly.  Many thanks in advance.
Ken Scullion
ADMN8639@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
From:	HG::PIERSON       6-APR-1992 10:28:16.91
To:	MX%"acadv@vm1.nodak.edu"
CC:	PIERSON
Subj:	Phone-In Registration Systems

This is a repeat of an earlier message I sent, and thank you to those of you
who have replied.  However, any more input from anyone out there would be
GREATLY appreciated!

We are going to a phone-in registration system this fall and are working out
how to handle "demand" wait lists.  By demand we are refering to courses that
students may WANT access to but don't REQUIRE as part of their program.  ie:
an option or elective.  How other institutions handle wait lists, if at all,
on phone-in registration is what we need input on.

You can reply to me directly if you like.  Thanks in advance for your help!


Valerie J. Pierson
Coordinator, College Liaison
Faculty of Management
University of Lethbridge
Pierson@hg.uleth.ca
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:20:59 PDT
From:         "Kay Keskinen (208) 885-6721" <KAY@IDUI1.BITNET>

In reply to Jeff von Munkwitz-Smith, CUMREC Membership Participation
Cmte Chair, and his request for suggestions to include at a CUMREC
first-time attendee orientation--
I agree with Marla Thomas's ideas on information about CUMREC
committees and how to get the most out of the conference.
One of the first things members do is vote for CUMREC Board members
at the Monday lunch; I remember how confusing this process was at
my first conference.  I suggest an overview of CUMREC, how it is
structured, with the Board, officers of the Board as well as
officers of CUMREC, committees, information as to how members
volunteer to be on those committees, the CUMREC newsletter, and, of
course, CUMREC-L.
A "Rookie" ribbon of some sort for first-timers has been used and is a
good idea that hasn't been used in a while.
Thanks for the opportunity to offer suggestions, Jeff.  Good luck.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:01:00 EST
From:         LEDUCA@FIRNVX.BITNET
Subject:      Reservations for Saturday

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     08-Apr-1992 02:48pm EDT
                                        From:     Albert L. LeDuc
                                                  LEDUCA
                                        Dept:
                                        Tel No:   305/237-2208

TO:  Remote NJE Network User              ( _JNET%CUMREC-L@NDSUVM1 )


Subject: Reservations for Saturday

For those of you dsiring accommodations on Saturday May 2 or before--for
the CUMREC Conference--please be advised that the Hotel InterContinental is
booked solid for those dates.  The overflow hotel, the Hyatt Regency, has
rooms available at $100. per night.  Should encounter difficulties in
making reservations with the Hyatt Regency you are requested to contact
eitherAl LeDuc at voice tel
(305) 237-2208, email LEDUCA@FIRNVX or Jose Toro voice tel (305) 237-2703,
email TOROJ@FIRNVX.  We will provide you with some alternate lodging
arrangements.  See you in Miami!
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:50:15 EST
From:         JLSMITH@JHUHYG.BITNET

     We are currently using a mainframe based system on the central campus
to maintain our student records.  Soon, each university division will be
expected to acquire its own student records system and to upload data
periodically to the central campus.  Our division enrolls about 1,400
graduate students per year.

     We would like to know about anyone who is using a PC based admissions,
registrars, and financial aid system.  What software is being used?  Is it
networked?

     Thanks in advance for your help!
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:59:00 EDT
From:         Eric Rosenberg <ROSENBERG_E@STEVENS.BITNET>
Subject:      Human Resource System

Stevens Institute of Technology, established in 1870. with an enrollment of
about 1,400 undergraduate and 2,200 graduate students, and 500 full-time
employees including faculty is considering replacing a home grown MS-DOS dBASE
III Human Resource system.  We are interested in a supported package that would
run on our MS-DOS PC's so we would not have to replace our current hardware.

If your university or college has such a system or knows of one we would
appreciate any information you can provide.

===============================================================================
 Eric Rosenberg                  |
 Director MIS                    | BITnet:   Rosenberg_E@STEVENS
 Stevens Institute of Technology | Internet: Rosenberg_E@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU
 Castle Point on the Hudson      | MaBell:   (201) 216-5491
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:23:28 EDT
From:         "Kathy B. Musick" <U0358@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: WRITERS & POETS NEEDED

Just read your note.  I would interested in receiving more information
on this subject.

Thanks.
On 04/03/92 at 12:23:06 Eric Casteleyn said:
>          Ikarus publishing, a small non-commercial company seek:

>   Writers of prose or poetry to contribute to our magazine..

>        To request more info, email: casteley@phil.ruu.nl
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:28:00 CST
From:         "VALENTINE M. SMITH" <CDELL@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Wild Bill Hickock

In my reply to Kaarina, I pointed out the salient facts of Hickock's brief
career as gunfighter and "lawman." He was a lawman but a short five years or
so, he most certainly was a rogue, though he thought he was handsome, he was
a very fast gun, though he was too quick to draw and didn't use his head well.
Soon, there will be a list for discussions about characters like this, one
I will co-own with Deb Aziz, called AmWest-H (covering American Western history
from Lewis and Clark (1804) to Wounded Knee (1890) in hopes of being able to
offer answers to questions like these). Stay tuned, this list COULD exist
within a week! Yours cordially in history, VMS
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:53:59 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: camille pal-lya
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Try 200+ messages because, hard as you try, you can't get off some lists!
I know the frustration, and sympathize with you.

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992, The Stevenator wrote:

> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:45:56 EDT
> From: The Stevenator
> Subject: Re: camille pal-lya
> To: Multiple recipients of list LITERARY <LITERARY@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu>
>
> does anyone realize how long it takes to delete 18 personal messages you're
> not even remotely interested in?
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:56:17 EDT
From:         Donald Yeoman Tinker <dyt@ULTRA.COM>
Subject:      Re: Travel, Kerouac Style.
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              Apr 15, 92 5:42 pm

> Could someone please send me some information on Jack Kerouac.  Is he an
> author?  I have heard the name before, and if he has written some
> fiction on traveling, I might find it interesting.
>

	Matt:
		Many people consider Jack Kerouac to be a writer; he is definitely
an author, of varying quality and occaisionally astounding insight.  Dare I
date myself & say that for me Mr Kerouac provided hope during my teens that
thought and feeling existed in ways other than substantially available at
the time?  One tends to view Americans a trifle schizophrenically: some are
Whitmanesque -- hot, coarse, engaged  -- others Jamesian, cool, dispassionate.
A (very) long youth of Frost, Eliot, Pound, Stevens made Kerouac, Ginsberg,
Berryman, a welcome breeze.

Surely your local library contains at least "On The Road"; if not, try a
local used bookshop.
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From:         MARCO BRAMBINI <S573980@UNI-BOCCONI.IT>
Subject:      hyperion

Thank you Leonard T Roberts ,
it was brief enough .
I am reading now last and first man by Stapledon it so boring now ..
did you have ever red it ? it will be so slow till the end or ..


thank you again ..




                             marco brambini
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:26:00 PDT
From:         naomi seeger <ECZ5SEE@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Pre-Verbal Child As Narrator?

> The opening passages of _Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man_ by Joyce
> would meet that criterion...the narrator's voice progresses in maturity
> with the narrative itself.

> eliz kirk

but then how is the narrator PRE-verbal?  the beauty of benjy's narrative
is that nothing but sensory impressions flow down his stream of conscious-
ness.  the whole point of _portrait_ is words!* if stephen dedalus were
a painter, instead of a moocow, there'd be greenblue.

*an apology to the cottage-industry for my oversimplification.  and while
i have your attention - just what was in the irish library's sealed
envelopes?  bills paid, snatches of this and that - nothing, they say, of
literary importance.  more biographically important.  but they mentioned
notes.  surely that man wouldn't've gone back to save some bills.  he
was joyce's amanuensis - surely he knew what was important.

naomi.
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Subject:      Asimov
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R.I.P. Isaac Asimov
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From:         "Kar Subrat" <SUBRAT@ITSICTP.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Wild Bill Hickock

>Calamity Jane would be another name to look for.
>She was at least in contact with Hickhock for some time... if not more.
>
>Oliver

And Annie Oakley, who later became famous for her mark(wo)manship and
for being the first to send out Christmas greeting cards.

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From:         LITERARY <LITERARY@CLOVIS.FELTON.CA.US>
Subject:      Re: Travel, Kerouac Style.

Reply-to: Tim.Bowden@p0.f509.n216.z1.fidonet.org (Tim Bowden)
Fido-To: cc64@sdsumus.bitnet

CT> Could someone please send me some information on Jack Kerouac.
CT> Is he an author?  I have heard the name before, and if he has
CT> written some fiction on traveling, I might find it interesting.

How far away is South Dakota?

Yes, Kerouac was an author.

Technically he is placed on the fiction shelves, but the only
fiction he wrote was something called _PIC_ and maybe _Book of
Dreams_, with _Doctor Sax_ thrown in, but only as would be other
blends of fact and fantasy, like _Illiad_.

He called it `spontaneous bop prosody,' and it meant writing in
accordance with the workings of the mind, never going back to
edit.  He was exuberant, rapt, engrossed and engrossing, he was
a wordspinner non pareil.  Since Kerouac, writing must tell a
story, must carry freight, but the lines from _Doctor Sax_ and
_Subterraneans_ and _On The Road_ sung for me.

You may say he wrote travel books, because he celebrated the
patterns of those who moved, like his hero Neal Cassady and
Ginsberg and Burroughs and Lucien Carr and the rest.  He was
child-like and childish, and what he said to me was what
Peter Pan said to generations older;  you don't have to
grow up.

The comparisons with Wolfe were due to style, rather than content, as
when Sal/Jack chimed in during _Road_ while Cody/Neal and Harpo/Allen
were having their all-night confab on the bed in Denver with "It's that
last thing, nobody can get that last thing!" and Harpo sneered "That's
Wolfean romantic trash and absolute bullshit!"

His transit was from New York through Denver to San Francisco to
Mexico City and maybe over to Tangiers, but I never thought of him
as a travel writer.  Of course, I never really thought that Brautigan
book was about trout fishing, either...
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:19:31 CDT
From:         David Lowe <DLOWE@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Kerouac

When he was good, he was very, very good
But most of the time he could have benefited from a more conventional
      attitude toward polishing and revision.


David Lowe
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