HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kocks@jessica.stanford.edu (Peter Kocks)
Subject: Re: Is software available (was: WordPerfect Update (NOT!))
Organization: Academic Information Resources
Distribution: worldwide
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:38:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul18.015606.16100@leland.Stanford.EDU> m@crito.Stanford.EDU (M Carling) writes:
>
>Ok, I'll mention Frame, which I use every week if not every day. I used it  
>to prepare a 600 page manuscript. It doesn't support end notes--like  
>footnotes but at the end of the chapter or the end of the book--so I had  
>to do them (more than 500) by hand. It is slow, largely because it is a  
>memory pig. It doesn't export RTF. It doesn't support some standard things  
>like the font panel. But Frame is about four times more pleasant to use  
>than WordPerfect. But only about one fourth as pleasant to use as  
>WriteNow, which is bereft of features.
>

I don't understand this.  I would do EndNotes like this:

Make a book.
Create a file called Endnotes.  Add paragraph numbering for each reference.
Add the Endnotes document to the book.
When writing the document cross-reference the "notes" to your EndNote document.

Granted it takes you some time to set up, but there's alot of
flexability in Frame.  

--Peter Kocks
  kocks@chemsitry.stanford.edu
From: pfkeb@kaon.slac.stanford.edu (Paul Kunz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: NAG Libraries on NeXTStep
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:09:41 GMT
Reply-To: pfkeb@kaon.slac.stanford.edu

In article <1992Jul27.072749.19642@dutrun2.tudelft.nl>  
wbtt001@dutrun2.tudelft.nl (A. Evers) writes:
> I'm posting this question for an acquaintance who does not have access to  
news;
> please respond to him directly (dvlamings@icgned.nl):
> 
> >Does anyone out there knows if there is a port or availability of the  
> >NAG-libraries for Fortran routines on NeXTSTEP? Can we buy  
> >them?

   I don't know about the NaG libraries but page 128 of the Winter Software and  
Peripherals Catalog list the IMSL libraries.   Also I've heard that NaG has  
ported their Fortran '90 compiler to NeXT (at least in beta mode), so the NaG  
libraries can't be far behind.   I suggest you call NaG in Oxford and post what  
you learn to the net.
--
Paul F. Kunz	(NeXT mail ok)
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, Stanford University
Voice: (415) 926-2884   (NeXT) Fax: (415) 926-3587
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,uiuc.mathematica
From: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Why doesn't MMA draw ASCII graphs?
Reply-To: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:26:10 GMT

I'm running MMA on a NeXT with 2.1 and can't get MMA to draw the
graphs in ASCII when I'm logged in from a vt100 or dumb terminal.
I've seen it done elsewhere, but I can't get my version (2.0) to do
it.  How can this be installed so it produces the right output type
for the terminal being used?

Thanks for your help.

-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu)
-- No NeXTmail please
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: mmelling@Trirex.com(Michael Mellinger)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect Update (NOT!):  No current volume - No NeXT V6.0
Organization: Trirex Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:53:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul15.230153.29156@bmw.mayo.edu> brunkhorst@mayo.edu  
(Geoff Brunkhorst) writes:
> 

   [Word Perfect might not port 6.0 to the NeXT deleted]

At the SIA show in NYC last month I talked to the Lotus people about  
Improv 2.0.  They said that currently the *entire* Improv team is working  
on Improv 2.0 for MS Windows, and that they don't have any current plans  
to port it to the NeXT.

"If I poke myself in the head with this pencil will it hurt?"

is equivalent to

"Golly, if we only sell 50,000 computers will our company suffer great  
pain?"

Now I'm waiting for NeXT to release a $10,000 RISC workstation that no one  
can afford.

-Mike
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Subject: Re: UUCP Manager?
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:16:57 GMT

In article <MAS.92Jul13192642@csa.bu.edu> mas@csa.bu.edu
	(Mark A. Semich) writes:
>I'm a newbie to the world of UUCP (and to the NeXT :-) ) and was
>wondering if anyone has written a frontend for UUCP set-up and management.

Either multiple someones have, or I've seen some very convincing
rigged demos.  :-)

I'm not aware of any that have turned into products (yet).

					-=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: AGH! NewsGrazer and Mail gang up & destroy work!
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:55:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.012822.479@digifix!uunet.ca> sanguish@digifix.com  
(Scott Anguish) writes:
> Philip Machanick writes
> 
> 	NewsGrazer uses an unofficial API to Mail.  The problem actually  
is in  
> Mail, not NewsGrazer.  Any application that opens a mail window will do  
this.
> 
Yup, and as others have posted, 3.0 enhances the unofficial API to Mail so  
that updated apps can avoid this problem. Wonder if someone will update  
NewsGrazer out of the kindness in their heart...

Gordon
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From: kthompso@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kelly Thompson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: WordPerfect Update (NOT!):  No current volume - No NeXT V6.0
Summary: WP hunk of junk
Keywords: WP, junk, why bother
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:05:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta


I just had to add my two cents here. My company has just finished a 40 page brochure
and we had to use WordPerfect. Why? Because it was the only thing that did side by
side columns (ie not newspaper flowing type columns). I wanted to use Pages or 
PasteUp, but of course neither were available on time. I've used Frame, and just
wasn't willing to go out and buy it now when so many better things are just on the
horizon.

And indeed, I must concur, WordPerfect is possessed. Every once in a while, the 
format of the entire document would simple vanish. The two columns would
disappear and all formatting would be destroyed. Cute. You learn to save often
anyway. One of the ways I was guaranteed to do this was by cutting & pasting 
from a text file.

On the biggest section of the brochure (had to break it down--WP just
couldn't cope with a 40 page doc.) which was about 16 pages long, it took almost
1.5 seconds for the cursor to move over 1 letter after the arrow key was hit.
This is on an '040 with 16 megs and nothing else running.

There was one other thing as well. WP treats tabs, right-aligned tabs, centered tabs,
and decimal tabs as different beasts. There was about 30 pages of program descriptions
and times in the doc. I told the secretary who was responsible to type them out just to put
tabs between each of the 6 columns of information and I would do the formatting at my
end (she was using WP 5.1 on an old PC). Anyway, when I got the document over, I had
to replace every one of her tabs with a centered tab or decimal aligned tab. That's 30 
pages at 2 or 300 hundred tabs per page.

And to top it off, I added an ad (created in Illustrator) when the text was finally 
finished. I printed it out and everything was fine. But the file will no longer
open under any circumstances. Thank goodness I printed it out once. (I was
supposed to get it digital form to the printer, but they're using the paper--
really classy 8(  ).

May that program burn in hell for the two weeks of agony it just caused.

Kelly
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: WANTED: SplitView text editor
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:58:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.223403.24327@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext3.cam.amd.com writes:
>In article <1992Jul19.075718.10056@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew  
>Loewenstern) writes:
>>>emacs does this very well...  Split screen... when you type in one
>>>window, the other window immediately shows the changes (if you are
>>>viewing the same portion of the file, of course.

>I need something like this, but for IB.  Anyone?

emacs works just fine with IB...  I write all of my code in emacs
since it formats my code as I type...   It's also great for debugging.


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com
Andrew Loewenstern      | "If I am not for myself, who will be for me?
Cube Technologies, Inc. |  If I am only for myself, who am I?" -Hillel
From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: ViewLogic
Distribution: world
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:00:23 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <151tabINNon0@agate.berkeley.edu> viking@darthvader.berkeley.edu (Thomas Knudsen) writes:
>
>
>Does anyone know of a program similar to ViewLogic (i.e. a program for
>mapping out digital circuits) for the NeXT?
>If yes, is it shareware?
>I'll be taking CS150 next semester, and I wish to foil the CS departments
>attempts at making us use the severely overcrowded PC labs in Cory.

    Are you sure you aren't thinking about CS152 ? (microprocessor design
    w/ lab)  or did they upgrade CS150 since I took 6 years ago?  (when I
    took it about the most complex thing one did in the class was
    asynchronous state machine design, totally worthless in the context
    they taught it and not something a schematic/simulator would help you
    with).

    P.S. you are unlikely to find anything in shareware even approaching
    ViewLogic's simulation capabilities, it's $15K+ program (which is
    medium expensive for a PC platform).

    Don't answer that, we're getting off the topic!

					    -Matt
--

    Matthew Dillon	    dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US
    891 Regal Rd.	    uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon
    Berkeley, Ca. 94708     ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop)
    USA
From: ostertag@cs.umd.edu (Eduardo Ostertag)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Dumb FAQ: Where is Kermit?
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:15:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Maryland at College Park

If you want the latest version 5A182 (BETA-4) you  can  download  the  source
code  via anonymous-FTP from "watsun.cc.columbia.edu:/kermit/sw/cku182.tar.Z"
This does NOT include an executable for NeXT; it just contains C source files
and the necessary Makefile. Once you download it, type "make next" and  wait.
At the end you'll have a file called "wermit". You're done.

-Eduardo Ostertag (ostertag@cs.umd.edu)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:16:22 EDT
From: <MKK2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Mouse typing

Awhile back I read an article that described a research project that asked,
"What's the most efficient way to do regular typing using only a mouse?"
The answer used a scheme where that most recent few characters are used to
predict the next few.  The predictions are presented in a window, and the
user clicks on the one (or a part of one) that is correct.  That way,
the user can get as many as ten or fifteen characters typed per mouse click.

I know that sounds pretty bizarre.  You had to be there 8-)

Has anyone seen or heard of such a system for the NeXT, either product, demo,
or prototype?  I believe there is a commercial version for Mac.  Anyone
know its name?

thanks
From: overlord@leland.stanford.edu (Marcos Polanco)
Subject: Re: ObjectStore OODBMS to be in NeXTstep in 1993!
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:52:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.122930.2085@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com  
(mark.d.wuest) writes:
> Versant's seems to be easy, but C++ oriented.  You basically inherit  
from
> a class they provide and declare your object as persistent.
> 


Problem is, it does not really matter. NeXT has chosen to favor one  
competitor over another. This may be good, seeing as Microsoft, for  
example, is building database capabilities into the Object Filing System,  
to be part of some future Win-doze version. In general, I think the future  
holds the canning of the file system for a full-on database, so NeXT may  
just be (again) ahead of their time. Gotta go!

(Please move discussion to advocacy)
From: cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Subject: Re: WANTED: clock setting software
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Reply-To: Carl Edman <cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu>
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:17:05 GMT

In article <Brpns5.7w@sounds.wa.com> BrianW@SoundS.WA.com writes:
>I would appreciate it if someone could send me a few pointers concerning setup  
>of NTP on the NeXT (I"m running System 2.2 on an isolated NeXTdimension with  
>SLIP and UUCP, but no ethernet connections).
>
>I have read the Man pages for ntp ntpd and ntpdc, but there is nothing in  
>NeXTadmin or NeXTanswers/92_spring about setting up NTP.

Your problem is not NTP, but the interaction between NTP and SLIP and
the lack of an ethernet. Early during the boot process the variable
NETWORKUP is set according to whether there is an ethernet connection
or not. Later on many network daemons are only started if NETWORKUP is
set to -YES-. Among these network daemons is ntpd. You can either
throw out that check in /etc/rc, or you can modify your SLIP startup
script to set NETWORKUP to -YES- when the SLIP connection is
established. That will also help other parts of the automatic system
configuration, but remember to startup up SLIP early during the boot
process to make certain that it is configured before the network
daemons are started.

>Is the solution as simple as adding a crontab.local entry for "/usr/etc/ntp -s  
>clock" as user root?  If so, then why is there a need for the ntpd daemon?  I  
>was able to run "/usr/etc/ntp clock" before the ntpd process was started.

Not a good idea.

        Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: gtoews@engr.UVic.CA (Greg  Toews)
Subject: Re: KPerfmon and DrivePerformance
Reply-To: gtoews@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 18:02:20 GMT

Thanks to all who replied on this question.

Many people simply suggested uncompressing or
uncompressing and untar-ing the two files.

I had already uncompressed the files and they
were not tarred.  But, they appeared as text files
in the viewer.

I have not tried it yet but the correct solution
appears to be simply changing the permissions
on the file to allow it to be executed.  This can
be done in the inspector or with chmod on the command
line.

Greg
From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: WordPerfect  (YES!)
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:52:50 GMT
Reply-To: brunkhorst@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus

In article <1992Jul31.164425.6048@julian.uwo.ca> vesely@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca  
(Ivan Vesely) writes:
> 
> I am really getting tired of everybody and his uncle bitching about how  
useless  
> WordPerfect is.  Sure, it has its flaws, it's not a slick NeXT application,  
but  
  I sure got my money's worth when I  
> bought WP, and I'm going to buy the next version when it comes out!
> 
> Come on, somebody out there besides me must like WordPerfect?

We like it too, compared to WP for Dos and Windows, and even the 
Mac WP (Have you rebooted your Mac today?).  However, It is lacking tables
and equations, two things that chemistry and Mol Bio secretaries
tend to need to type a lot.

however, your statement "I'm going to buy the next version when it comes out"
is where the rub is...

I'll repeat myself, in case you missed it.

	THERE WILL BE NO FUTURE NeXT VERSION OF WORDPERFECT UNLESS YOU ASK 
	FOR IT. PERIOD.  THE END.

Call Brent McKinley, WP Unix Product Managerat 801 228 7272 and 
tell him that you like the product, and your university will buy a copy for  
every NeXT they own (or at least 1 for every 8 ;-) if Version 6.0 comes
out in a quality NeXT release.

Debating this on the network is not going to help, because WP is
does not read news or otherwise monitor this group.  

- geoff
--
"The only thing obsoleted by Windows 3.1 is poking myself in the
eye with a pointed stick." - Gene Lee
---------------------------------------------------------------
Geoffrey Brunkhorst, RCF                    brunkhorst@Mayo.edu
Guggenheim 10                                    (507) 284-1805
Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905 USA     fax (507) 284-5231 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: jblencoe@blencoe.chem.ornl.gov (James G. Blencoe)
Subject: 3-D plotting/viewing of data (long)
Keywords: 3-D plots,SAS,S+,Mathematica
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Distribution: worldwide
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:02:46 GMT

	In the near future I'm going to have to do a lot of regression  
analysis of experimental data that colleagues and I have acquired here at  
the Oak Ridge National Laboratory.  I'm convinced that I can derive any  
linear or nonlinear least-squares-fit equation required to represent an  
individual data set using a Mathematica package that another colleague has  
given me.  The problem is that I need to determine quickly how well a  
particular equation fits a given set of data, and whether the equation is  
sufficiently well behaved mathematically to "accurately" predict the value  
of the dependent variable in a region (or regions) where experimental data  
have not been obtained.  Fortunately, most of the equations I need to  
derive will have only two "primary" independent variables; consequently,  
both the data and a surface representing the fitted equation can be  
plotted on a 3-D diagram.
	In view of the requirements outlined above, this is what I'd like  
to be able to do.  I would like to buy a piece of software that would  
allow me to view "X-Y-Z" data (accompanied by X, Y and Z axes) in 3-D on  
my monitor, and to rotate the data (along with the three axes) in real  
time.  Furthermore, I would like to be able to zoom into any region of the  
plot in order to get a close-up view of the data and/or surface.  I need  
to be able to use different colors for different data sets, so that I can  
tell whether the equation is fitting one data set better than another.  I  
also need to be able to scale the plot in a way that permits me to assess  
how well the surface extrapolates.
	I'm aware of the distinct possibility that SAS and/or S+ will do  
what I've described above.  However, both of these packages are more than  
I need (obviously), and they're both pretty expensive (especially SAS).   
I'm also aware that I can do much of what I'd like to do using  
Mathematica, but from the knowledge I currently possess, it is my judgment  
that it isn't going to be either quick or convenient to use this program  
either.  I have no knowledge of what X programs might be out there to do  
what I need to have done.  If there is such a program (and it's not too  
expensive--say, no more than ~$600), I would be willing to buy it and run  
it using CoXist.
	Obviously, I badly need advice from some kind soul in netland.  An  
e-mail response would be great, or call me at (615) 574-7041, or e-mail me  
your phone number and I'll be happy to call you.  Thanks in advance.

Jim 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick)
Subject: swapfile death - help
Reply-To: philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:56:04 GMT

The NeXT I was using filled up its local disk (swap file grew while
running Mathematica). Eventually the machine totally wedged and I
had to power cycle it. Now when it boots it gets stuck trying to
handle a page fault.

There doesn't appear to be any way of doing file management from
the monitor / debugger - or am I missing something? (Otherwise
I would have tried emoving files.)

Any ideas on how to fix this?

Another complication: it's running afs and the problem comes up just
after AFS loads.

Is this the right group for this question - if not, where should I ask?
-- 
Philip Machanick
philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc
From: jfr@redbrick.com (Jon Rosen)
Subject: Re: ObjectStore OODBMS to be in NeXTstep in 1993!
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 04:39:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.155249.556@leland.Stanford.EDU> overlord@leland.stanford.edu (Marcos Polanco) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.122930.2085@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com  
>(mark.d.wuest) writes:
>> Versant's seems to be easy, but C++ oriented.  You basically inherit  
>from
>> a class they provide and declare your object as persistent.
>
>Problem is, it does not really matter. NeXT has chosen to favor one  
>competitor over another. This may be good, seeing as Microsoft, for  
>example, is building database capabilities into the Object Filing System,  
>to be part of some future Win-doze version. In general, I think the future  
>holds the canning of the file system for a full-on database, so NeXT may  
>just be (again) ahead of their time. Gotta go!
 
  Not! :-)  The PICK operating system as well as the IBM System 38
  operating systems are both based on database structures rather
  than file systems.  The S/38's DBMS is now used in the AS/400
  and is better known as SQL/400.  NeXT may be ahead of the mainstream
  but they are clearly, in this case, relative latecomers.

  Jon Rosen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: silbar@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect Update (NOT!):  No current volume - No NeXT V6.0
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: LAMPF Data Analysis Center, Los Alamos, New Mexico
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:55:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.152102.27808@bmw.mayo.edu>, brunkhorst@mayo.edu writes...
#  <prolog deleted>
# 
#The comments as elicited on this thread are exactly what they are looking for.
#In discussions with them on Friday, it seems Brent took my comments yesterday  
#to a development planning meeting. Since 50% of the development team (for ALL  
#6.0 development, PC, Mac, Unix, OS/2 and VMS included) uses NeXT computers,  
#they were quite sympathetic to my plea, and my comment that it seems completing  
#a product on the platform where all the developers are comfortable, and it's  
#easier to develop and maintain is a no-brainer.
# 
#Brent did say that that WP sales have been flat and just below the line of  
#profitability.
# 
#My opinions were:
# 
#   <nice discussion deleted>

One thing about this thread that confuses me (and which I don't recall seeing 
mentioned): wasn't one of the stated reasons for unbundling WriteNow from the
NeXT OS distribution that the WordPerfect people were complaining about
the unfair competition?

   Dick Silbar
From: c152-cp@dv349-1a.berkeley.edu (Class Account)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: help: change cursor
Keywords: help change cursor
Date: 26 Jul 92 04:12:16 GMT
Followup-To: c152-cp@web.berkeley.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: dv349-1a.berkeley.edu

Hi,

I have problem using the push method of the NXCursor class.  I wanted to change
the cursor using the following way:

	[Mycursor push]; //Mycursor is an instance of NXCursor class and
			 //it already has the appropriate cursor image

According to the documentation, Workspace should get the image from Mycursor
but it didn't!  I still got the usual arrow cursor when I ran my application.
Could someone tell me how to change cursor while my application is active.
By the way, I want the cursor to be changed regardless of the position of the
mouse.  Thus, declaring cursor rectangle is not applicable in this case.

Thank you in advance.


Johnson Sieu
c152-cp@web.berkeley.edu