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From: rm4@st-andrews.ac.uk (Rosa Michaelson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: St. Olaf's Gate: Where is it?
Summary: the use of 'Gate' in scotland
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:47:42 GMT
Organization: Not St. Andrews University

In Scottish towns a part of town is often called a 'gate' to signify
an earlier use of that place/district. For example the old town of
Dundee had various markets 'at the gates of the burgh' and we now direct
people to: The Overgate, The Nethergate, The Wellgate, The Cowgate, The
Seagate, Marketgait (notice archane spelling).. A famous song about being
fleeced by wild women in Dundee when on visit from the country areas -
probably Angus (%-) - starts 'as I cam by the Nethergate'...
Edinburgh also has a Cowgate, but more obviously the LawnMarket, The Grass
Market...they both have a district or road known as 'The West Port' and
Port here does not mean a harbour but 'a gate'. These were usefull bits
of the town to post either the Waites, the band that played the hours all
night(must have been extremely noisy) or officials who wished to check
foriegn weights of goods or arrest miscreants. Infact most early touns(say
10th century onwards) were ringed with walls - also usefull for curfews. And
the gates took on even more significance for defense and exclusion. I should
imagine that the Norwegians were a lot more religious than the scots if they
named their gates after St Olaf. A lot of stuff about early touns/burghs is
about what can or cannot be done inside or outside the walls and gates - for
example the large number of proscriptions against 'noisome waiste' being
thrown around inside town instead of outside on the fields...
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From: cah@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ceri Hopkins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: The essential Celtic recordings?
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:24:32 GMT
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>>>>> On 27 Aug 92 08:28:52 GMT, canton@robinson.ilog.fr (Eric Canton) said:

Eric> Eric Canton, who's French, speaks English, tries to learn Irish and enjoys
Eric>   celtic music.

Don't you also play for Leeds United? ;-)

C.
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From: wgreene@sdf.lonestar.org (Wayne Greene)
Subject: Re: Conjunto Music
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 14:50:34 GMT

Santiago, Sr is the father of Flaco and Santiago, JR.  
Xref: sparky rec.music.folk:5982 soc.culture.australia:18
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.australia
Subject: Re: Australian Folk?
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:31:29 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <1992Aug31.110506.23682@st-andrews.ac.uk> rm4@st-andrews.ac.uk (Rosa Michaelson) writes:

> Australia has <a> aboriginal folk music (try Music du monde series) <b> early
> settlers music of mainly English/irish/Scottish dance forms - see Bush dances
> and songs of imigration (Penguin collections 1 & 2), <c> Music Hall songs of
> aussie nostalga - Waltzing matilda and Banjo Patterson poems set to music, 
> <d> an enormous wealth of more recent ethnic music which includes Jugosla

Speaking of Aurstralian aboriginal music, the new book by Spider and
Jeanne Robinson, the sequal to "Stardancer" (title excaping me, maybe
"Starseed?" has a great character in it who is an Aboriginal Singer
and healer. 
  Dunno how authentic it is but it sounds as if they tried, and it's a
good book if you like that sort of thing (optimistic slightly hippy
science fiction with a focus on modern dance :-)
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From: pgilley@blancmange.ma.utexas.edu (Phil Gilley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: D. Wilcox "Nightshift Watchman"
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:09:11 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin Mathematics

In article <1992Aug26.204012.25561@col.hp.com> judym@col.hp.com (Judy Miller) writes:
>I just saw David at the Rocky Mountain Folks Festival this last weekend.
>He had the cassettes for sale there.  I held off ... I'm waiting for it
>to be re-released on CD.  I wish I could have talked with him and ask
>him if that will even happen.

About a year and a half ago (March '91?) I saw him at Pood David's Pub
in Dallas, and asked him if Nighshift Watchman was going to be released
on CD.  He said they were working on it and it should be out "in a couple
of months."  I'm still waiting.  A few months ago I did see some mention
of it in the newsletter his fan club puts out.  I forget exactly what they
said about it other than it was going to be released on CD.

What would be nice is if they would release the promo CD he put out called
(Mostly) Live-Authorized Bootleg.  I managed to get a copy of it and prefer
it to any of his studio stuff.  It has things on it that wouldn't work on
a studio album like Four Lane Dance, Daddy's Money with intro, and my
favorite, Johnny's Camaro, among others.

Of the many times I've seen him, I only remember once when he had tapes
with him.  So you should probably get one if he has them.  The first time
I saw him he didn't have any but gave me the phone number to the label so
I could order one by phone.

-phil
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From: wb2ekk@rocky.gte.com (John Pescatore)
Subject: Re: Folk is back on DC radio
Organization: GTE/SCSD
Distribution: dc,md,va
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:21:01 GMT

Lee Michael Dempsey is on WHFS from 0700 to 1000 each Sunday morning. 
I wrote to HFS saying I love the show and the they wrote back saying
they have had a tremendous response to the new Acoustic show.

JP
From: Peter_Ronald@mindlink.bc.ca (Peter Ronald)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Folk is back on DC radio
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:42:59 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> John Pescatore writes:
> 
> Lee Michael Dempsey is on WHFS from 0700 to 1000 each Sunday morning.
> I wrote to HFS saying I love the show and the they wrote back saying
> they have had a tremendous response to the new Acoustic show.

Gary Crystal's "What the Folk" (on Co-op Radio) and CITR's "The Edge of Folk"
are the best pickings of Vancouver folk shows. "Radio Ranch" is the only
bluegrass in town, I think. Does CBC have a folk program?

My Saturday mornings are reserved for Steve Edge's program on CITR, the
University of BC station. Between sets of music you can even hear the UK soccer
scores.  :)

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From: dalton@epoch.Geop.UBC.CA (David Dalton)
Subject: Re: Whaling Songs?
Organization: Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, UBC, Vancouver, Canada
	<1992Aug31.133141.9533@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:20:46 GMT

Jim Payne, a well known Newfoundland singer/songwriter, has released
two recordings that may be of interest:

1.  The Southern Cross,  which contains many songs about sealing
  and about sealing disasters which killed hundreds of men.

2.  Empty Nets,  a recent release with songs about the catastrophe
in the Newfoundland fishery.

They may contain some songs about whaling as well.

They may be ordered from:

   SingSong Productions
   Station "C"
   St. John's NF
   A1C 6J9 
   CANADA



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From: kurtzman@pollux.usc.edu (Stephen Kurtzman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Can someone tell me about "The Roches".
Date: 23 Aug 1992 13:12:45 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <oprwarx.714528164@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> oprwarx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Walter A. Rich) writes:
>
>I've got free tickets.  Are they folk at all?  What kind of music do they 
>play?  Three women?  Anything about them would be appreciated.

The Roches are three sisters with amazing voices and wonderfully
idiosyncratic songs that range from amusing to poignant. They come
from the New York folk scene, but their sound has evolved over
the years to something of their own -- a blend of folk, country,
pop and rock. 

I was lucky enough to see them in concert (two nights in a row) when
they were in Los Angeles about a month ago. At the concert, they had
a signup sheet for a new newsletter they will be sending out. If there
are any Roche fans who would like to get on the mailing list, then send
a letter to:

The Roches
P.O. Box 717
Warwick, NY 10990

When you ask to get on the mailing list. Mention my name and tell
them where you got the address. I told their mother that I would post
this address to the net. It would be interesting to find out just
how many people found out about the newsletter from the net.

BTW, here's a hint for anyone going to a Roches concert. The nice
lady selling T-Shirts in the lobby is their mother. She's a very nice
lady -- she was extrememly patient with this babbling Roche fanatic.
The Roche which most resembles her is Maggie.
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Stephen Kurtzman             | "where desire writhed there stands a stone;
kurtzman@pollux.usc.edu      |  the change was sudden and complete"
                             |                              -- Maggie Roche
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: wb2ekk@rocky.gte.com (John Pescatore)
Subject: Re: Folk is back on DC radio
Organization: GTE/SCSD
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:36:38 GMT

WHFS is on 99.1 on your Radio dial.
From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: SUMMARY:  Songwriters' "Cover"s
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:12:39 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


In the recording business, a "cover" is simply a recording of a song another
artist has in current release.  Usually, the "coverer" is the better-known
artist, and feels that he/she can top the success of an unknown with a good
song.  There is not much of that these days, since most artists have a
propensity toward recording their own material.  Some memorable past "covers"
include Bing Crosby and Vaughn Monroe covering an unknown named Tennessee
Ernie Ford on "Mule Train,"  Vaughn Monroe covering The Sons of the Pioneers
on "Ghost Riders in the Sky,"  Vaughn Monroe covering Johnny Horton on
"Battle of New Orleans;"  there is no record of anyone ever covering a Vaughn
Monroe record.

One of the most bizarre covers was Hank Snow's cover of Susan Raye's "L.A.
International Airport" (it happened!)  And a truly accidental cover occured
when Kris Kristofferson and Roger Miller both cut Kris's "Lovin' Her Was
Easier Than Anything I'll Ever Do Again," each not knowing that the other
was doing it.  (They were close friends at the time, and still are).

The important fact about a true "cover" is that it must be in release and
in competition with the original at the same time.  George Strait recording
Hank Williams' "Lovesick Blues" in 1992 isn't a true cover.  For Vaughn
Monroe to have done it in the 50's would have been.

TH
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From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: looking for the authors of these songs
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:04:51 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Aug29.231358.16022@parc.xerox.com> putz@parc.xerox.com (Steve Putz) writes:
>
>Please email me if you know who wrote any of the following songs:


Steve - I can help you with a few.

>All-e-Oxen Free	(Time to let the rain fall...)	[Kingston Trio? John Denver?]

Rod McKuen (lyrics)  ? Yates (music)


>Battle of New Orleans (In 1814 we took a little trip...)

Jimmy Driftwood (lyrics) Traditional music


>Eddystone Light	(My father was the keeper of the...)		[Kingston Trio?]

Old traditional sea chanty


>Everyday (its a getting closer...)		[Reilly & Maloney; James Taylor]

Buddy Holly had the original recording; pretty sure he wrote it.


>Green, Green (it's green they say on the far side of the hill...)

This was a New Christy Minstrels song, possibly written by Barry Maguire.


>I'm My Own Grandpa	(It was many many years ago when I was 23...)

Recorded by Homer and Jethro. Don't know who wrote it.


>Jamaica Farewell	(Down the way where the night's are gay...)

Lord Burgess



>Lemon Tree (very pretty, and the lemon flower is sweet)	[Peter, Paul &
>Mary]

Will Holt



>Long Chain On	(One night as I lay on my pillow...)	[Peter, Paul & Mary]

Jimmy Driftwood (same one) :)


>Maria		(Way out west the have a name...)

Lerner and Loewe (From the Broadway musical "Paint Your Wagon")
Correct title is "They Call the Wind Mariah."


>Today		(Today while the blossoms still cling to the vine...)

Another New Christy Minstrels song. Don't know who wrote it.


>We'll Sing in the Sunshine (we'll laugh every day...)

Gale Garnett

TH
From: m1tlm00@arcss1.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Tim Medley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: re:Nanci Griffith and her NEW ALBUM
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:01:19 GMT


For what it's worth, during a live interview by Lee Michael Dempsey on
WFHS (it was certainly a surprise to hear him with a new Sunday morning show
there!) Pete Kennedy also said that Nanci was definitely returning to her folk 
roots on her next album, limiting the pop stylings and arrangments so evident
on her last productions.  He said this was being reflected in her tours as well.  
He saidsomething about a January release date for the album...

- Tim


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From: canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: St. Olaf's Gate: Where is it?
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:55:49 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <14785@mindlink.bc.ca> Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton) writes:
>St. Olav was Norway's patron saint. I said "was" because Norway has been
>protestant since the Reformation, and Catholicism was outlawed there for a long
>time.

Be that as it may, St. Olav has remained a popular hero of folktales into
this century.  There are still many churches dedicated to him, and St. Olav
come closer than anything else to still being a patron saint.

>St. Olav, one of Norway's early kings, was a bloodthirsty killer. The idea of
>him being a saint is ludicrous.

Well, sure but so was everyone else ;)  Some of those Irish saints were
pretty mean characters too ...

Cheers,
Carl

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From: hendricks@cdrom.enet.dec.com (Holly Hendricks)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Radio folk show hosts?
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:06:02 GMT
Reply-To: hendricks@cdrom.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Are any other writers here hosting folk radio shows?

I do a 4-hour folk show once a month for NH Public Radio in Concord,
NH.  There are four folk hosts that rotate to produce a weekly show.  

We used to have folk music two nights a week, but got cut to once
a week about 6 months ago in favor of increased classical programming.

I'm interested to hear about other folk shows, ideas for
folk show features, formats, and keeping folk shows thriving in 
the midst of station politics and budget crises.

I'd also love to hear more about what listeners want from folk
radio shows.

Holly

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From: beiersdorfer@jade.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Bruce Springsteen
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:31:58 GMT
Reply-To: beiersdorfer@jade.ucdavis.edu
Organization: Geology Department, University of California, Davis

I will be moving to Canada 2 weeks before Bruce Springsteen arrives near
my present home of Davis, California on Oct 8th.
Does anybody know of any shows scheduled for Bruce in Oregon, Washington,
Idaho, Montana, British Columbia or Alberta?
I will be at the University of Calgary, does he play there?
If I sound desperate, it is because I am!
Rave On,
Ridgewood Ray
Internet: REBeiersdorfer@UCDavis.edu

4 more years of B U _ _   S H _ _  is 4 too many!
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: afd@bellcore.com (Alex F. Dietz)
Subject: Re: Michelle Shocked
Reply-To: afd@bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 20:26:52 GMT


In article 2554@gvl.unisys.com, wrp@psl1.gvl.unisys.com (Bill Pringle) writes:
>> 
> Her "Campfile Tapes" is very folky - it was recorded on a portable
> tape recorded at a campfire.  Just her and 10,000 crickets :^)
> Michelle doesn't like it - it was supposedly published without her
> knowledge or consent.  The sound quality is very bad, and you keep
> hearing crickets, trucks, etc. in the background.

IMHO the crickets, trucks, etc. are what give the album its appeal.
I tend to prefer live recorded performances over studio performances, despite
the obvious sound advantages.  Live recordings have an energy
and spontaneous quality that's hard to describe, but there is a sense that the
singer is *there* somewhere interacting with people.  Studio recordings seem,
well, rather bland in that respect.  Can't imagine the person much of anywhere except
in a sound proof box.

Having seen Michelle Shocked in Chicago and New York City, I've found that
"Campfire Tapes" is as close as you'll come to a live show.  


-A Dietz
Bellcore, Morristown

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From: jeff@godzilla.quotron.com (Jeff Marder)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.country.western
Subject: Help!  Please delete me from bluegrass mailing list!!!
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:07:35 GMT
Organization: Quotron Systems, Inc.

if anyone sees this who can do something about this, please help.  the
volume of mail is too great for me.  thanks!!!

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From: dalton@cord.Geop.UBC.CA (David Dalton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: The essential Celtic recordings?
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:22:52 GMT
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A little more detail on the bands:

   Figgy Duff is a celtic rock band, with material ranging from
lovely melancholy ballads through upbeat arrangements of
traditional and Benoit-written Nfld. jigs and reels 
and more recent celtic influenced original pop tunes written
from a Nfld perspective.  They are: Pamela Morgan on vocals,
keyboard and guitar, Noel Dinn on drums, bodhran and backup vocals,
Frank Maher (or sometimes Geoff Butler) on accordions and harmonica,
Kelly Russell on fiddle, mandolin, bouzouki, concertina, lap harp, etc,
someone on electric guitar and mandolin, someone on bass.

   Rawlins Cross is a celtic rock band, mostly upbeat. They do lots
of traditional jigs and reels but also do a number of original tunes
and even some blues and reggae tunes on the bagpipes.   They are:
Dave Panting (formerly of Figgy Duff)  on mandolin, electric guitar,
vocals,  Ian McKinnon on bagpipes, trumpet, tin whistle, bodhran, harmonica,
Brian Bourne on bass and Chapman stick, and a drummer.

   Tickle Harbour have been around for a while, but the lineup keeps
changing.  Currently they are composed of three Nflders, three Irishmen
living in Nfld and a Chicago native working in Nfld.  They sound rather
like Altan, but with a Nfld. twist and are mostly intrumently. (They
need a good vocalist).  Flute (Rob Murphy), tin whistle, bodhran, two 
fiddlers (Seamus Craig, sometimes Bob O'Donovan, and maybe Kelly Russell
now), guitar, mandolin, vocals.  They have now been touring.

   The Irish Descendants are four barrel-chested Irish-Newfoundlanders
from around the bay.  They have amazing vocal harmonies live, two of
them could probably sing in a hall without amplification.  They are
also good instrumentalists on fiddle/mandolin, guitar/banjo, guitar, bass.
They do a mix of original seafaring ballads, Andy Stewart tunes, Irish
pub tunes and traditional jigs and reels.
So far they haven't come out west on tour.

   The Stoaters (Vancouver) are a hot new band that sound a lot like the
Pogues but have their own distinctive style.  They are extremely high energy
live, but sometimes too loud.  They should have a record out very soon;
I have a demo from two summers ago.  They are more Scottish influenced than
Irish influenced.  They are: Dennis Crews (electric mandolin, bodhran,
electric guitar, vocals), Robert Ford (spanish guitar, electric guitar,
vocals), Doug Schmidt (piano accordion, keyboard), Robert Baptie (drums)
and a new bass player.

Post or E-mail me at <Dalton@Geop.UBC.CA> if you want more detail.
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From: Gerry.Mulvenna@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Gerry Mulvenna)
Subject: Lyrics request: The Banks of the Lee
Followup-To: rec.music.folk 
Organization: The Queen's University of Belfast, Ireland 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:18:46 GMT


Does anyone know the song "The Banks of the Lee"?

It goes something like this:

Every bush, every bower
Every wild Irish flower
Reminds me of my Mary
On the banks of the Lee.

For I love her ever dearly
Most truly and sincerely
There's no-one in this wild world
That I love more than thee.

I cannot remember the other verses.  I heard a rumour that Silly Wizard
may have recorded it.  Does anyone know any more verses or any recordings
of this song?  (Not to be confused with "The Banks of My Own Lovely Lee").

Gerry Mulvenna (osg1688@v2.qub.ac.uk)
Belfast, Ireland

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From: cimo@cs.montana.edu (Bob Cimikowski)
Subject: Spencer Bohren
Organization: CS
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:50:17 GMT


Has anyone heard of Spencer Bohren?  He's the opening act for Michelle Shocked
here in Bozeman tomorrow night and I'd like to find out about him before that,
if possible.
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