HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: To all of you who call yourselves skiers...
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:41:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.122100.5638W@baron.edb.tih.no> sveint@edb.tih.no writes:
>To be honest, I'm very dissapionted.

Oh, how so?

>I just joined up with this conference, hoping to read something
>useful about skiing.

Well, one man's use is another man's research.

>What I found was this:
>A lot of nerds talking about bars and hotels!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I resemble half of that comment, you do have to know how to use a
computer here (a little).  Bars? Hotels?  Sorry I don't hang out there.
Perhaps you are seeing messages which aren't coming to my site.
Speak to your news admin.  But I wouldn't know those things, I'm going
climbing.

>You guys have really got a problem.

Oh?

>A serious one.

Really?

>I'll be looking forward to any response to this.

Cheese 8^)  !

>					Svein Tjoenndal
>           Cross-country skiing, the first (and real) winter sport
>           was invented in Norway by vikings about 500 AD. 
>           (I guess you just didn't know...)

Well, I took a class a year ago with a couple of people from the Telemark
Institute of Technology, and a co-worker just took a job in Norway.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: Steepness
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:49:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <4302@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> saw8712@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve A. Ward) writes:
>For example, Corbetts @ Jackson Hole has about a five foot drop off to
>get into it.

It was more like 40 feet, last time I was there.

>In other words THERE'S NO HOLDING BACK! 

Holding back tends to cause acceleration.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: National Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:38:28 GMT
Organization: EDS Research


>>>Really?  A ski club for African Americans?  I have noted throughout my some
>>>25 years of skiing that skiing is one sport where you simply do not see
>>>many black people, and I think the reasons are obvious.
>>
>>I'm a little fuzzy on the "obvious."  Can you elaborate?  Do you mean the
>>current economic situation?  Just curious.

I think there are two major reasons.  1) Generally speaking, there simply
aren't many major ski areas located close to areas with a high black
population, so there is less liklihood that an opportunity to learn to ski
will present itself; 2) Skiing is a very expensive sport, and poverty is a
serious problem in the black populace.  If adequate food and housing is
something you have to worry about, skiing is probably the last thing on
your mind.

I realize there are exceptions to both cases, and that as society becomes
more homogeneous both demographically and financially that the skiing
populace will also become more homogeneous.  

>>>trying to picture someone like Herschel Walker,
>>
>>Not certain who he is.

Great black running back.  Tremendously strong legs.

>>I've yet to hear of an Asian-American ski club,
>>and our numbers are relatively small.  I don't regard Asian cultures as
>>highly conducive to skiing.

What was the name of the great freestyle skier from a few years back?  I
believe he was Japanese.

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Traffic: Getting from Reno to S. Lake Tahoe
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 00:02:08 GMT

In article <efbY032vbcfw00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> tom@uts.amdahl.com
(Tom Goodwin) writes:
>We get so tied to our cars that Tahoe gets to be a massive traffic jam; you
>might as well sit on a bus as in a car.

Ah, Gawd, tell me about it.
Our house is 2 miles S of the Y in Tahoe City.  One weekend starting on
a backcountry overnight trip North of Squaw we got into a line South of
the Y.  At the Y, I made the decision to drive the long way.  We had a VW
camper which DIDN'T follow us.  They stuck it out bumper to bumper
to pass Squaw.  We drove the Lake shore to 267 all the way to Truckee,
then down 89 and got in the South bound line for a few minutes.  We still
beat the VW bus by over five minutes at the cost of driving maybe 8 times
as far.  Ah, the beauty of controlled experiments.

We have other tricks to avoid situations like this, but they are far
from perfect.  

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
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From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)
Subject: Re: National Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:45:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.190342.234@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>>trying to picture someone like Herschel Walker,
>
>Not certain who he is.  One typically doesn't see African-Americans in

<Obviously this person doesn't spend saturday afternoons watching TV.>

>clarification.  I've yet to hear of an Asian-American ski club,
>and our numbers are relatively small.  I don't regard Asian cultures as
>highly conducive to skiing.

Curious.  I wonder, why not?

-andy huang

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: tnickles@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Tim Nickles)
Subject: Re: Steepness 
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:48:55 GMT

brunette@netcom.com (Hal Brunette) writes:

>Here's an abridged version of a table appearing in the December 1992 Snow
>Country magazine which I found very interesting.  

>Name of Run       Where                   Percent Grade          Degree Slope

>The Headwall      Tuckerman Ravine, NH        116%                49   degrees
>Great Scott       Snowbird, UT                 98%                44.5 degrees
>Saudan Couloir    Blackcomb, BC                87.5%              41   degrees
>Corbett's Couloir Jackson Hole, WY             80%                38.6 degrees
>(Typical Household Staircase)  --------------  63%  ------------  32.3 degrees
>Palivacinni       Arapahoe Basin, CO           58%                30   degrees
>Outer Limits      Killington, VT               42.6%              23   degrees
>Exhibition        Squaw Valley, CA             41%                22   degrees
>White Heat        Sunday River, ME             38.5%              21   degrees
>Prima             Vail, CO                     37.5%              20.5 degrees
>Spiral Staircase  Telluride, CO                35.8%              20   degrees
>Goat              Stowe, VT                    35.3               19.5 degrees


thanks Hal!  One run we must not forget to mention is Exhilaration
at Whistler, B.C.   My personal experience is that this run torn me
a bigger new asshole than Saudan's Couloir at Blackcomb (leading me
to belive it's steeper still).  

anybody else care to speculate?

tim
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: My Favorite Wipeout
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:54:29 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 18 Nov 92 21:10:30 GMT, cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd) said:

jc>              My friend then proceeded to get into the starting gate,
jc> give me the thumbs up, and kick start right out of both bindings,
jc> landing squarely on his nose. Perhaps you had to be there (or perhaps
jc> you have been :->).

Do I know you?!?!  Nah; I did it in Michigan, and I didn't land on my nose
(landed instead on my feet; a result of not getting my upper body as far out
over my tips as I should for a good start).  Under a chair.  *whew*

My favorite "friend wipeout" came at Blue Mountain Canada in 1982.  For a
change, the crew was in front of me, and Eric took a digger, kicking up snow
all over the trail.  From my vantage point, the snow billowed out to engulf the
entire party.  At the cloud's apex, two skis came flying out at different
angles.  As the snow settled back down, there was Eric, standing, skiless, on
his feet, poles in hand, looking more than a little sheepish...
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Chant of the week:  "Snow, snow, snow, snow..."                    ISSC Boulder
From: rankin@scubed.com (Tom Rankin)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: FOR SALE: Marker MRR Bindings
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:54:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: scubed.1992Nov16.215411.826
Reply-To: rankin@coondog.scubed.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Laboratories

Marker MRR turntable (a.k.a. "compact") bindings for sale.  Outstanding
lightweight performance.  Used part of one season.  Like new.  

Retail $200+.  Asking $125.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom Rankin         Maxwell Laboratories, S-CUBED Division    3398 Carmel Mtn Rd.
rankin@scubed.com             (619) 587-8394                 San Diego, CA 92121
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From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Survey on Firearms carried while skiing (serious survey)
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:41:30 GMT
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne Australia

In article <1992Nov12.220429.2063@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.032359.6760@bnr.ca>
>mhoyt@crchh47.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Michael Hoyt) writes:
>
>>Are some folks really so uptight that they feel the need to arm themselves 
>>against fellow skiers?  

Is that a gun in your pocket, or is this powder sexy?

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Skiing in No. Cal, Utah, Nevada (???)
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:20:54 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <TP4euB1w165w@cruiser.uucp> bdl@cruiser.uucp (Bob Lombard) writes:
>maciuca@vehicle.berkeley.edu (Dragos Maciuca) writes:
>> could recommend a good place to ski within 8 hours driving of Berkeley.
>  MMM oh yeah !!! Alta ! yeah that's it ! Alta...  forget Squaw, ugly !
>  Mammoth ? toooo L.A., DUDE !!

Alta is more than 8 hours from the Bay Area, unless you fly rather than drive.
Surrounded by a Mormon fortress.  Bad, Bad.  Don't ski Alta. Naw ski Heavenly.

I got this game card from CompUSA which asks who the Galloping Ghost was
in college football.  How the hell would I know!  I'm a skier and a climber.
And that activity is more important to me than trivia.  Gotta find a football
expert to determine that this prize is.....

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Canadian snow reports
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:24:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: seas.1992Nov16.012404.6675
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science

I'm looking for a telnet site which gives ski and weather conditions for
Canada (mainly Banff, Lake Louise, etc) as well as weather predictions.
Does such a beast exist?  The current telnet site only lists US weather

David 
dleon@seas.smu.edu
From: btowell@slate.mines.colorado.edu (TOWELL BRIAN PATRICK)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: National Asian Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:11:50 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

-hey Grant......"Cool Idea"

I did it for a year at Jackson Hole, and overall, it INCREASED my
work/school ethic by the  time I went home.

BT
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: more on Dynastar Verticals: popular skis!
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne Australia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:35:09 GMT

In article <122930215@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine) writes:
>
>All vintage Vertical owners, AVOID RETTA'S RUN!!!!!!

The white Verticals had a bit of a reputation for breaking over here.
The local freestyle team gave up on them because they broke too many.
Unfortunately, I had already bought mine, and guess what?  Good one
legged skiing training.  I understand the later models have improved.

I agree with the comment that they weren't overly pleasant on groomed,
but were great in the bumps.  Actually, it's interesting to note that
the Rossi 7Ms are stiffer than the 7S (according to the Rossi Tech
blurb).  It had always been my impression that a bump/off piste ski
should be reasonably soft.

Oh yeah, the other favourite Warren Miller quote was:

	If everybody skiid, there would be no wars.

Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jsalmi@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com (John Salmi)
Subject: Re: To all of you who call yourselves skiers...
Organization: US West Information Technologies, Devner
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:15:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.122100.5638W@baron.edb.tih.no> sveint@edb.tih.no writes:
>To be honest, I'm very dissapionted.
>I just joined up with this conference, hoping to read something
>useful about skiing.
>What I found was this:
>A lot of nerds talking about bars and hotels!!!!!!!!!!
>You guys have really got a problem.
>A serious one.
>
>I'll be looking forward to any response to this.
>
>					Svein Tjoenndal
>           Cross-country skiing, the first (and real) winter sport
>           was invented in Norway by vikings about 500 AD. 
>           (I guess you just didn't know...)


ooooh.  THIS is gonna be interesting....

all i'm gonna add is this:  at times we have deep and meaningful 
discussions.  at other times we rant and rave.  sometimes we talk about
physics.  sometimes we talk about hotels/bars/restaurants/resorts/snow/drugs/
guns/skis/boots/waterproofing/outdoorclothes/poles/gloves/goggles/sunglasses/
beer/computers/%grade/etc...

sometimes not.

add something useful, and don't talk trash 'till you get into the groove.

jeers,
-- 
John Salmi		<jsalmi@uswest.com>		(303) 595-2863

    US West takes no responsibility for anything that I might say.  Ever.
From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Hunter Moutain?
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:49:15 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

Has anyone gone skiing yet at Hunter Mountain ,New York for this season?
I'm planning to go there this Saturday and wanted to know how good the
conditions are.  I don't really need to drive 3 hours to ski on ice!
 - Thanks in advance
-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:11:01 -0500 
From: "Christian A. Pegher" <cp1t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Weather Channel Ski Reports!

Everyone KNOWS that the western areas are open.  Hell, those of us in
the east who can only dream of western skiing think that you can ski
year-round out in the west.  

Obviously, the Weather Channel only listed Eastern skiing areas to
remind us that there really is skiing in the East.  Not that it is all
that good - but it is there.  Some areas, such as the aforementioned
Seven Springs, is not much more than an oversized mole-hill.  If you
sneeze as you start down the hill, you could miss the whole slope!  By
the way, Seven Springs WAS open, and will be again (weather permitting)
this weekend.  I guess the "most snowmaking equipment of any ski resort"
does have its payoffs - early openning dates.

Christian A. Pegher
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari)
Subject: Ahh, hahahahahaha...WIPEOUT!!
Summary: Experiences of wiping out 
Keywords: plow, wipeout, embarrassing oneself 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:31:25 GMT

I don't know when the last time anyone has asked this question (I've only
been reading this newsgroup for about two months now), so...

What are some of your more, um, "memorable" wipeouts?  I wonder who can come
up with the best one.  Describe anything else that happens in addition to
making a fool of yourself.  OK, I'll start...

I remember last year, I was skiing in West Virginia (yeah, alright, not the
best place in the world, but hey).  Anyway, I'm screaming down the mountain,
practicing for the '94 (? why '94?) Olympics [the Albertville Olympics were
on when I was skiing].  I made this absolutely marvelous turn.  Not a wisp
of snow came out.  I hit mini-moguls, and basically looking all around
impressive.  I see this girl a few hundred yards away, on the ground.  I
decide to be my gentlemanly self and help.  Unfortunately, my right ski had
started to cross my other ski.  I said, "No problem", and proceeded to lift
my foot and set the ski back.  Just then, a bump jumped out in front of me
and basically, hit the end of my ski.  My leg went up, and to the side.  I
am now skiing on one ski, very fast, with my other leg in the air.  Me and
my bright ideas, I try to stop on one leg, in the moguls.  Needless to say,
it didn't work quite right.  I turned all the way around, started going
backwards on one ski for half a second, before I hit another bump, did a
nice "acrobatic" 360, and basically hit the ground.  Both skis, poles, my
hat, AND goggles flew off.  The good news: I ended up next to that girl,
jumped up quickly, helped her up, and she thought I was a great skiier!  Bad
news: after talking with her for a few minutes, we decided we didn't like
each other, so back to the slopes.

-Bob

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: Steepness 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:02:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD - MWTD) - Santa Rosa, Ca.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Hal Brunette (brunette@netcom.com) wrote:

> Exhibition        Squaw Valley, CA             41%           22   degrees

> But I question whether Exhibition is the steepest run at Squaw Valley. 
 
 Not even close. I have no idea why they would even include Exhibition in
 such a list.

 ..glen
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: Bill Webster <wrw1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Upstate NY???
X-Xxdate: Fri, 20 Nov 92 14: 10:34 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: wrw1@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:07:11 GMT

With the latest round of cold weather, several more areas have opened in
central NY.  Hunter (of course) has been open for some time.  They are
good for early & late season skiing, but too crowded mid-season.  Bristol
is usually the 2nd to open in the state.  I will be skiing there Sunday
and will post the conditions.  Amazingly enough, Labrador recently opened
as well.  They are a relatively small area, so conditions could be
sketchy.  In 2 weeks, I expect Greek Peak, Toggenberg and Song to open as
well.  The season is shaping up nicely!
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson)
Subject: Re: Steepness
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:50:34 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa

mos@gasco.com (Mark O'Shea  x1527) writes:

>Please excuse my apparent ignorance.  I thought that the percent of a grade
>was the number of feet down divided by the number of feet forward,
>ie, a 6% grade is 6 feet down per 100 feet forward.
 >Can someone tell me which.

 Oh no not this question again. You must have missed the discussion
 on this last spring.  Not to worry you'll find that 33% of the
 responses will be wrong, 33% will be right for a different question
 and 33% will correct.  The hard part will be figuring out which
 response  is the correct one.  Me, I'm in the remaining 1% who refuse
 to show their ignorance by answering this question but responded.

 Cheers,

Allen R. Sanderson

Salt Lake City, Oootah


"Great spirits have always encounter violent opposition from
mediocre minds."
	- Albert Einstein
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: von@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Von Worley)
Subject: Re: Steepness 
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:57:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.195849.10259@netcom.com> brunette@netcom.com (Hal Brunette) writes:
>...
>Name of Run       Where                   Percent Grade          Degree Slope
>
>The Headwall      Tuckerman Ravine, NH        116%                49   degrees
>Great Scott       Snowbird, UT                 98%                44.5 degrees
>Saudan Couloir    Blackcomb, BC                87.5%              41   degrees
>Corbett's Couloir Jackson Hole, WY             80%                38.6 degrees
>(Typical Household Staircase)  --------------  63%  ------------  32.3 degrees
>Palivacinni       Arapahoe Basin, CO           58%                30   degrees
>Outer Limits      Killington, VT               42.6%              23   degrees
>Exhibition        Squaw Valley, CA             41%                22   degrees
>White Heat        Sunday River, ME             38.5%              21   degrees
>Prima             Vail, CO                     37.5%              20.5 degrees
>Spiral Staircase  Telluride, CO                35.8%              20   degrees
>Goat              Stowe, VT                    35.3               19.5 degrees
>
>....

Too bad they didn't include Taos; most of the groovy ridge runs and some
of the lift served experts runs average about 45 degrees, with decent
stretches at about 50 degrees.  I would be curious to see just how steep
the steepest is.

Steve
-- 
Steve Von Worley
von@cory.berkeley.edu
Computer Science Gradual Student
University of California at Berzerkly 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sargent@westford.ccur.com (Ken Sargent)
Subject: Re: Resort Reommendations
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.  Westford, MA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:37:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.193905.27033@sei.cmu.edu> naz@sei.cmu.edu (Neal Zundel) writes:
>My friends and I are planning a trip to Vermont on a college
>promotional package.  The three resorts we have to choose from 
>are Smuggler's Notch, Sugarbush, and Stratton.  We are looking
>for the mountain that has the best skiing which isn't too costly.  
>
>Thanks for any help!
>Neal Zundel

Neal,

I've been to Stratton and Sugarbush, haven't made it to Smugg's yet....

anyway, my choice would be Sugarbush. Stratton is too pricey and is loaded
with the "rich and famous" Conn. and NY. Doctors and Lawyers.....

besides Sugarbush has waymore "real" trails and is just around the corner from
Mad River... if you can.....

Ken