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From: wassermn@ariel.chem.yale.edu (Thierry A. W. Wasserman)
Subject: Re: Jewish Fundamentalism
Organization: Yale University, New Haven
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:32:36 GMT

I definitively remember having studied evolution in 'kita yod'
(10th grade).
it was a secular school in north TA, i'm not sure if it was
the teachers initiative or part of the official countriwide(sp?)
curriculum. does anybody know?

-- 
Thierry A.W. Wasserman		"wassermn@ariel.chem.yale.edu"
Department of chemistry		"WASTHIA@YALEVM"
Yale University		 
New haven, CT	    @Opinions expressed above are MINE, Yale corp. disagrees.@ 	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ben@vmsa.technion.ac.il
Subject: Re: connection to internet
Organization: Computer Center, Technion IIT 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:52:59 GMT

In article <9211031411.AA02796@helix.nih.gov> norm@helix.nih.gov writes:
>>Does anyone know how to get an account on the internet, or some way to
>>send mail through the internet.  I am trying to find out for Yeshivat Ohr
>>Somayach.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Please send responses
>>to my account at jm8o+@andrew.cmu.edu   (That is the letter o not the number
0
>>in the address).  Thank you very much.
>One way that I know is to go through a service such as "CompuServe" or
>possibly "America on Line".  You have to join up with them though.  They
>connect through some called Gateways.  There has to be a better way though.
> Can't you email through your institution.  Does Ohr Somayach have email
>capabilities?  I have a son at Yeshivat Ohr Yerushalayim.  I connect with a
>friend in Jerusalem who then calls my son to transmit anything that is
>important.

The best way is to get connected to ILAN ( the Israeli Local University
network. Ohr Samayach probability is classified by the gov't here as an
educational institute. They then must find a link (I suggest contacting
Jerusalem College of technology ILJCT) and renting a line from BEZEQ, the
Israeli phone company. There are several Israeli insitutues currently arranging
such at this time. 
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From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Interfaith marriage
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 23:56:13 GMT

hlevene@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Howard Levene) writes:
> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

> >Some of the reasons for not entering in a marriage at a very early age
> >have to do with the need to develop an independent personality, and to
> >satisfy a natural curiosity about the world in a way unconstrained by
> >the need to care for a life partner.  These reasons, by and large, are
> >universally accepted as valid.  If you think them to be otherwise,
> >please tell why.
> 
> Sources, please.  Who accepts these reasons as valid?

Everyone!  After all, Michael said "universally accepted," didn't he?

-Don Gertler
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From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Einstein and Judaism
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:59:28 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

In article <2780@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>        even if we had someone on this net with the statue of
>Einstein,
  Do a couple of busts and a Yousef Karsh portrait count? If so,
  there are several people posting from Weizmann....
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From: norm@helix.nih.gov
Subject: Re: Kashrus: Kellogs Crumbs
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:06:13 GMT

>There was a 'rumor' floating that Kellogs was changing the formula
>for its baking crumbs so that they were now Milchig and could not
>be used with chicken/meat. Anyone have further info ?	Thanks.
I never knew that they were kosher in the first place.  Who give haskakah? 
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From: schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Sam Saal coercion
Originator: schwartz@baba
Reply-To: schwartz@nynexst.com
Organization: Expert Systems Lab., NYNEX Sci. and Tech., White Plains NY
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 16:33:03 GMT


Come to think of it, Eli, I also wouldn't object to 
your hasty departure.

G'bye.
-- 
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From: rice@enterprise.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel S. Rice)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: If I could read only one book on Judaism, what would it be?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 19:16:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.berkeley.edu

In article <40857@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ph600fcy@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew Harrington) writes:
>Let's say that I'm a Martian and am assigned to learn all about
>Judiasm in one week.

	This reminds me of the story of the Martian who demanded to be
taught the Torah while standing on only three stalks..

						Dan
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From: reingold@cs.uiuc.edu (Edward M. Reingold)
Subject: Re: If I could read only one book on Judaism, what would it be?
Originator: reingold@emr.cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:26:46 GMT

The best choice for a single book would be Herman Wouk's ``This is My God''.
--

Professor Edward M. Reingold                  Email: reingold@cs.uiuc.edu
Department of Computer Science                Phone: (217) 333-6733
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign    FAX:   (217) 333-3501
1304 W. Springfield Ave.
Urbana, IL 61801-2987  USA
-- 

Professor Edward M. Reingold                  Email: reingold@cs.uiuc.edu
Department of Computer Science                Phone: (217) 333-6733
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign    FAX:   (217) 333-3501
1304 W. Springfield Ave.
Urbana, IL 61801-2987  USA
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: AIDS testing in Israel
Date: 8 Nov 92 12:41:35 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <1992Nov8.073121.697@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:

>I just heard on the Sunday morning news that the Israeli Ministry of the
>Interior will now demand AIDS testing for anyone requesting a tourist visa for
>a period of over 3 months. From what I understood, the policy will soon be
>extended  to those requesting to come on ALIYA.

This from a ministry headed by one who refuses to cooperate with a
police investigation as required of all citizens who don't happen to
have the Parlimentary immunity (vastly superior to any medical kind)
granted to Members of Knesset or of Cabinet.  But just plain folks
have to get in line at the clinic and roll up their sleeves, no
privacy for them.
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From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: book title:"Cholent"
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:30:39 GMT

In article <REINGOLD.92Nov12125922@emr.cs.uiuc.edu> reingold@cs.uiuc.edu (Edward M. Reingold) writes:
>In article <92316.183551LMACC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Len Alshan <LMACC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>
>>>   Several months ago a small ad for a book called "Cholent:The Art of Jewish
>>>   Stew" (or something very close to that) appeared and I can not find it.  Anyone
>>>   have any idea as to the publisher.  Have combed the bookstores and tried
>>>   Books In Print with nothing but nothin'.  Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>The book is ``Come for Cholent'' by Kay Kantor Pomerantz, Bloch Publishing
>Co., New York, 1991.  You can order it from Bloch: (212) 532-3977.  It was
>$7.95 plus postage when I bought it last year.
>
>It is a pretty poor book and I DO NOT recommend it!

I haven;t seen the book, but my wife reported that she
had (I think it's the same volume; how many books can
there be about cholent?).  It had a recipe for chocolate
cholent.  Now I LOVE chocolate (wanted to say haTov v'ha'Metiv
when Baby Ruth's got the OU), but I draw the line at chocolate
cholent; it may be alliterative, but it sounds YUCKY!  (My
wife, a scholar and a great cook, is also enough of a humanist
not to have tried making chocolate cholent, so I can't be sure of how
it tastes ... but I can guess.)


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From: ben@vmsa.technion.ac.il
Subject: Re: sexism
Organization: Computer Center, Technion IIT 
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 12:12:23 GMT

In article <GJSSBPF6@cc.swarthmore.edu> mwertz1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Melanie
Wertz) writes:
>No one has answered my questions yet.  Why is it that MEN are not barred
>from appearing provocative to women?  WOMEN EXPERIENCE ATTRACTION TOO!
>
>Melanie
>
>
They are. That is one of the reasons that a mehitza (divider ) is established
in Observant synagogues, and also one of the reasons stated as to why a bride
and groom should separate a week before a wedding. 
Men, concerning dres, are also commanded to dress in a modest manner.
>
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: ... Jewish Equivalent of Islamic Law
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:12:03 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

On: 8 Nov 1992 11:02:14 GMT
aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum) proclaimed:

>In article <Bx59DJ.HuM@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
>|> A number of governments have announced their intentions to replace
>|> local non-religious law with traditional Islamic law; with "sharia"
>|> law, in Sunni countries, if I understand correctly.
>|>
>|> What would be the Jewish equivalent?  Would we be instituting
>|> "halakhing" law, or some such?
>
>I don't know about muslims, but we (National-Rligious Jews) want
>to change the currently british-otoman-etc-law in Israel to the
>jewish low system (=HALACHA).

I just wonder what "we" (meaning THEY) if they H"V get the power
to decide what the law in Israel should be, would do on practice.

Who  will set  up the  courts  of law  (the Central  Committee of  the
National  Religious Party?  :-) )?  Will the  law of  evidence be  the
halakhic one (two witnesses, no  females and feeble minded etc.)? Will
people who do not adhere to  the Orthodox understanding of how to keep
the Shabbat laws be executed.  I  could go on, but this should suffice
for a start.   Just something a bit practical, not  only empty phrases
please?

>Note - HALACH IS the law !!!

Hillel, please make  up your mind, either  it "IS the law  !!!" or you
wish to "change" the present law so that it should be.

>/ Hillel P. Applebaum  |> ISRAEL - where all

   Michael Shimshoni
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From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal)
Subject: Re: How to destroy a population
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:17:06 GMT

In article <1dd482INNf5r@manuel.anu.edu.au>, bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay) writes:
> 
> In article <dfs.720976414@crusher>, David Skoll writes:
> >I just want to take issue with one point that Brendan makes:
> 
> >In <1d8bcpINNper@tyl.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay) writes:
> 
> >>Your first sentence is illogical.  It is easier to destroy a
> >>dispersed (thus weak) population than a concentrated one.
> 
> >I don't agree.  It has been the policy of those wishing to destroy
> >populations to concentrate them in ghettos first.  We saw this with
> >the Nazis, and we see it now in Bosnia, as ethnic "cleansing"
> >concentrates minorities in a few small centers.
> 
> I can't argue with your first example, and won't argue with the second.
> However, there is an awfully big difference between concentrating a 
> largely powerless (in military terms) population in a ghetto and enriching 
> the population of a nation state with a proven army.
> 

I don't understand this Brendan.  Were Iraqi Jews a "proven army"?
I don't know for sure, but I would bet that they weren't given
much access to the Iraqi military, and if they were, would avoid
it at all costs.  Until the Haskala came to Europe, this was the
rule there, among Sephardim and Ashkenazim.  I'm pretty sure that
the Greek Jews avoided the Greek army until the 20th century.
The Iraqi Jews were the most religious of the Sephardic communities,
I doubt they would have much military value.  The few who worked in
the Mossad were hardly an army.

> I really can't agree with Seth's idea that Iraq tried to weaken Israel
> by allowing its Jews to leave.  (It did have plenty of other reasons,
> though.)  Amongst other things, they didn't expect more than a few
> tens of thousands to take the opportunity (general agreement between
> sources).  One thing that nobody mentioned yet is that Iraq originally
> proposed a 1-1 swap for displaced Palestinians, but this deal fell
> through due to opposition from the Arab League and the Palestinian
> leadership.  (Syria made an offer like that too; I forget the details.)
> 
> Brendan.

Depends on whether you think there is strength in numbers,
or if sending a population that is penniless, sickened and hungry
by months in detention centers, is going to help or hinder
the economy, especially while the buildings still have shell
holes, the streets are still not all functional, etc.

		Seth
From: ph600fcy@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew Harrington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: If I could read only one book on Judaism, what would it be?
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:34:20 GMT

Let's say that I'm a Martian and am assigned to learn all about
Judiasm in one week.  What book do you suggest I read?  It has been
recpmmended to me that I read "Jewish Literacy" by Telushkin, I
believe.  What do you all think?

					Thanks,

					Matt Harrington
From: ptyaxel@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Seymour Axelrod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: YIDDISH MOVIES
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:32:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


In article <loon.82@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za>, loon@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (LOON M J) writes...
to ask about Yiddish films on videocassette.

1.  The film he saw is "Yidl mitn fidl" (1936) with Molly Picon.

2.  It, and many others, can be bought from Ergo Home Video, 668 Front Street, 
P.O. Box 2037, Teaneck, NJ  07666 USA, and from the Workmen's Circle, 45 East 
33 St, New York, NY  10016 USA.

3.  Another source for Yiddish films on video is the National Center for 
Jewish Film, Brandeis University, Lown 102, Waltham, MA  02254-9110 USA.

All three sources have catalogs.  I have had the opportunity to compare Ergo's 
video of The Dybbuk (1937) with NCJF's.  The latter is of much better quality 
(and about twice as expensive ($90).

Seymour Axelrod, Psychiatry, State University of New York at Buffalo
PTYAXEL@UBVMS.BITNET                    PTYAXEL@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU
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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 15:28:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.000257.22650@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>In article <92308.0204012893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
>>Opposing hero-worship of tyrants is always worthwhile. I find it
>>repulsive that Kahane is idolised in death, he was a dangerous madman, a
>>true dictator in waiting who only preached hatred and intolerance.
>
>You are taking the "Ugly American" view of a foreign affair, so it is
>no wonder that you are in error.  
>
>Kahane preached love for his fellow Jews.  He also realized - and said
>out loud - that the Arabs within Israel would quickly become a
>majority and overtake the Jews in their own country.  Everyone now
>realizes that he was perfectly correct in this assessment.
>

Well, he realized that the Arab/Israeli ratio will quickly return
to the ratio prior to 1948, which is not acceptable. A racist point
of view isn't?


Nabil
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From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:11:13 GMT

In article <11Nov92.023342.14066@granite.ciw.edu> cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen) writes:

Ron Cohen writes:
>I think Orthodox should accept Conservative conversions,
>marriages, and divorces on the basis of darchay shalom.  The O
>position on this is not tenable for the long term, because it is
>impossible to demonstrate that some ancestor did not become Jewish
>by a C conversion.  Just because one is brought up O does not mean
>that all of ones ancestors back to some ancient time (when?
>Jacob?  But Joseph's wife was Egyptian!)  were kosher.  By
>emphasizing these issues they cause pain and are mean spirited,
>but the basic fact remains:  there is no way to demonstrate "pure
>blood" back to Abraham!  Correct me if I am wrong, but the O
>halacha does not put a statute of limitations on this.  

I would guess that there were very few non-"Orthodox-halakhic"
conversions before the 1850's, and that such converts rarely
(if ever) tried to rejoin the Orthodox community.  While there
is no statute of limitations (so far as I know, but I'm no
rabbi), but there is the concept of "hazaka" (presumption,
curiously enough a major topic in recent daf yomi classes).

IF (all upper case) Conservative conversions are not 
halakhically valid (remember, I wrote IF, dammit), it
is unreasonable to ask the Orthodox to accept them in the
name of darchey shalom; would you ask the Conservative movement
to accept patrilineal descent for darchey shalom?  

Ron wrote:
>O does not have to back down on halacha here to bring peace (and
>Moshiach?).  They merely have to decide to not press the issue.
>Just as they do not stone a sabbath breaker to death
>(hopefully!) they should not destroy a persons sole by kicking
>out an observant member of the Jewish community because of what
>they regard as an unkosher conversion.

The issue may well be, to some extent, a red herring.  After all,
under the (more-or-less) worst of circumstances, a person seeking
acceptance by the Orthodox community could always undergo an
Orthodox conversion.

Does anyone know how often (if ever) this has become a practical
issue?  Or is it like giyur k'halakha in Israeli law -- raises
everyone's blood pressure, but with very rare practical ramifications.




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   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:02:12 GMT

In <1992Nov10.155327.11995@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

me :Yes, we are discussing the late racist rabbi.

>I challenge you to post this about the Mufti or the Ayatollah.
>To tpm or soc.culture.arabic.
>Or about the Pope.  To the (moderated?) Christian religion newsgroup.

I don't waste my time with tpm.  If I posted in sca, I'm sure that I
would get responses saying "you asked me not to post in scj, why are
you posting here?"  I don't have any reason to believe that the Pope
is a racist, if I did I still wouldn't post it to a Christian group
for the same reason. 

>It's easy for a Jew in Israel to criticise dead Jews on
>soc.culture.jewish.  Would that others were as tolerant of such deep
>criticism; We already know that others are tolerant of such deep hate.

It was just as easy for me to express my criticism of him during his
life.  His murder does not render him immune to criticism.  However,
if there weren't people holding him up as a model to emulate, I
wouldn't express my opnions about him.  I do this not because I hate
him, but because I don't want others to carry on in his path.

Whenever anyone claims in this group that the departed Rabbi is in any
way a model for Jews or other humans, I will express my criticism of
him, which will be totally absent of hate (which is not something
which can be said about the departed).

>Surely, Warren, you could have done better than this.

Several times it was asserted that I couldn't possibly be discussing
the departed Rabbi as he was not a racist.  Thus, my several short and
blunt assertions that I was.

If anyone can do a better job of criticizing the departed Rabbi, I would
be glad to allow them to do it in my place.  Of course if anyone
thinks that I could be more persuasive by using foul language, let me
know and I'll reconsider.
-- 
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From: seth@inst-sun1.tmc.edu (Seth Chazanoff)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA, USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:24:59 GMT

n article <09Nov92.194522.1926@granite.ciw.edu> cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen) writes:
> ... If I had my druthers, there would be no reform Judaism, since they have
> thrown out the Halacha altogether ....

  Just as every other movement has been accused of every time that it differs from
the current "Mainstream".  I point out that "Orthodox" halacha no longer requires
sacrifices, even though they still are listed as mitzvot by RAMBAM.  How many 
"Jews for Jesus" have you stoned for trying to corrupt your town?  The answer 
had better be all of them, otherwise you have thrown out "The Halacha".  

  I don't have the reference handy, but I remember a story about an arguement
during which one rabbi calls upon the walls of a building, a tree, and finally
HaShem to show that he is correct, the other rabbi tells the building to stand
up straight, the tree to move back to its place, and tells HaShem to butt out
of the arguement, that once the words were given to humans, they remain with
humans to interpret.  A Bat Kol was heard to say "My children have defeated 
me."  What you are saying, is that once there is an interpretation, by a
rabbi you approve of, there can not be any further interpretation of the
matter, EVER!  I reject this.  While you might not approve of the Reform 
movement, or indeed the Conservative movement, neither one is attempting to
invalidate Orthodoxy.  The Reform phylosophy is that one should LEARN what
the religion is about, then MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS about its practice.  
While the Reform movement does not REQUIRE that Halacha be observed, it 
equally does not REQUIRE that it be discarded.

						Seth

P.S.  Do you wear pants?  Trousers were considered womens clothes in Talmudic
times.  They were not considered to be fitting for Jewish men till somewhere
around the 10th or 12th century C.E.  See what the RAMBAM says about men
wearing womens clothes<GRIN>
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