From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
Keywords: Studs'n'Sluts
Organization: Who, me???
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:45:00 GMT

In article <19438@smoke.brl.mil> matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt) writes:
>In article <1992Dec7.002657.12751@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org 
>(Kevin Darcy) writes:
>
>>In article <li2mqrINNlj6@news.bbn.com> kgorman@bbn.com (Karen Gorman) writes:
>
>>>Hopefully, the offspring won't
>>>think the same of the mother for signing the contract.  [Karen Gorman]
>
>>The woman subjects the child to a miserable illegitimate childhood, and you 
>>expect the child to forgive her just because she flashes a contract which SHE
>>voluntarily signed, and says "see, it's all your Daddy's fault"!?!?!? Does 
>>this pattern of callousness inspire forgiveness?  [Kevin Darcy]
>
>This "pattern of callousness" consists in not doing the merciful thing,
>viz., killing her child before he is born.  "Gee, Mommy, how can I forgive
>you for letting me be born?  Here I am, illegitimate, with a father who
>never wanted me and doesn't want anything to do with me.  I'd be better
>off dead.  Why didn't you kill me?  How could you be so callous?"

Do you deny that some lives are more full of misery and despair than they
are with happiness, Rosenblatt? Do you deny that, statistically, an 
illegitimate child is more likely to be in the former category than the
latter? Do you really think that a woman who bears and takes custody of a
child without the benefit of being married to the father, would be any LESS
likely to have children, maybe lots MORE of them, if and when she met Mr.
Right, and her social and financial circumstances are more conducive to
parenting?

Do you really think you're doing children a favor by sustaining the 
probability of them being under-wanted and under-nurtured?

>Maybe the mother just doesn't believe in maternal termination of pregnancy.
>That puts her in a position analogous to that of Mr. Darcy, who does not
>believe in paternal termination of pregnancy (through RU486). "Gee, Daddy,
>how can I forgive you for letting me be born, unwanted by my own father.  
>You let Mommy give birth to me, even though I'd have been so much better 
>off if you hadn't let your silly scruples about Mommy's 'bodily integrity'
>keep you from doing the right thing.  How could you be so callous as to
>let feminist-inspired political correctness interfere with my happiness?"

Do you really think there is a valid comparison between voluntary and
involuntary abortion, Rosenblatt? Is rape the same as consensual sex?
What you are proposing is essentially chemical rape.

>>>As far as an "emotional hell"; Daddy put that plan in motion with this 
>>>preposterous contract!  [Karen Gorman]
>
>>Incorrect.  His purpose in presenting the contract was clearly to PREVENT 
>>the suffering of an illegitimate child.   [Kevin Darcy]
>
>Balderdash.  His purpose in presenting the contract was clearly to
>PREVENT suffering to HIS OWN WALLET.  The contract provides that if
>a child is born, that child has to suffer his father's non-support.
>To stop the suffering, the child has to die, either before he is
>born or afterwards.

If the "child" dies before it is born, it does not suffer, Rosenblatt.
Clearly the intent of the contract is to prevent the suffering of the
child, to the extent that the man may do so, or, if the woman is 
irresponsible enough to go ahead and have and take custody of the child,
to at least not drag the man down into her cesspool of irresponsibility.

>Miss Gorman is right on target with the phrase, "emotional hell."

That's MY term, you schmuck, which I applied to a woman who would 
psychologically torture her child with the fact that he or she was unwanted
by their father.

>What could be more hellish for a child than to know that his own father, 
>his own flesh and blood, thinks he would have been better off dead?

Precisely. If the offspring is told this at all, it should be delayed until 
they are old enough to understand their father's reasons.

								- Kevin
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