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From: Chuck.Jones@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Rolfing -- has anyon
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:12:00 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Oct  1 1992

RK>Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
RK>From: richard@octel.com (Richard Karasik)
RK>Message-ID: 1992Jul31.212948.1762@octel.com
RK>Newsgroups: alt.backrubs

RK>In article <15459@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>
RK>peerson@neyman.ucdavis.edu (Jan Peerson) writes:
RK>>I'm interested in hearing the experiences of anyone who has
RK>>undergone structural integration, a.k.a. Rolfing.  Is it
RK>>worth the expense?
RK>>
RK>>--Jan
RK>>
RK>>
RK>   Ive been doing massage of one from or another for 25 years ..
RK>   I tried Rolfing   10 sessions extraordinarily painful


RK>   If any interest I wil post my observations of many years
RK>of massage and the way
RK>   the body seems to want to work and why rolfing doesnt do it ..
RK>   RIchard

Hi Richard:
I know this is a rather old message of yours, but I would like to
read a summary of your views on various massage styles or methods.
I am just entering the field as a pro, and am looking for the most
effective tools to add to my list of skills...I am presently enrolled
at BodyMind College in San Diego...The course material is a takeoff
on Rolfing, with a focus on making it less INTENSE... I don't think
this is the last word in body therapy, though...I would like to read
your opinions..I have been trained in basic Swedish and accupressure,
and have exposure to Trager, which I find very effective...Also some
self taught Jin Shin Do, and a lot of other bits and pieces from
reading and `trading'...
Are you acquainted with Steve Rempis, or Robert Rawlings? (Mill Valley)

Chuck


 * SLMR 2.1a * Get rubbed the RIGHT way...Have a massage!

--- Maximus 2.00
From: lin3@husc10.harvard.edu (Austin Lin)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: good, inexpensive massage tables?
Summary: where to get a good, inexpensive massage table
Keywords: massage table
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:48:05 GMT

I'm looking for what Comsumer Reports would call a Best Buy.  Does
such a thing exist for massage tables?  I would like it to be somewhat
portable.

thanks,

- Austin
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs,alt.sex.bondage
From: luckey@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Jon Luckey)
Subject: Re: SPERM backrub
Keywords: sperm, backrub
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:40:17 GMT

mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR) writes on alt.backrubs:

>     I've been giving girls that I meet SPERM backrubs lately. What I do is 
to save all the sperm I get from masturbating [details omitted]

>                                 Gumby

****** THEN *******

In article <mcnair.32.718918783@slab.unt.edu> mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR) 
writes on alt.sex.bondage:
|      Recently my mistress injected FORMELDEHYDE into my right ball. It 
| REALLY stings! What can I do to remove it? 
| 
|                              Gumby


Obviously, the answer is to give formeldehyde backrubs until it stops stinging.
From: cf210@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A Whitaker)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: backrubs are only for who???? *a lengthy reply to "backrubs"*
Date: 12 Oct 92 03:37:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: system@apsicc.aps.edu (SYSTEM MANAGER)
Subject: Re: Techniques?
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 00:53:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1b4eciINNmnc@topper.ksu.ksu.edu>, myrtle@topper.ksu.ksu.edu (Mary Marie Miller) writes...
> 
> 
> Howdy,
> 
>     I need some advice on techniques of backrubs.  I've been giving them to my
> boyfriend for years, but I need some ideas to make an old backrub into an
> exciting experience.
> 
>      Any ideas would be welcome!!
> 
>                                       Mary
> 
> 
> **P.S.  Please incluce specific details, or come on down to Manhattan and show
>         me how it's done!
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Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jonathan J. Smith)
Subject: Anyone in the Laramie, Wyoming/ ft. collins colorado area?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 22:21:05 GMT


Been reading this newsgroup for some time now, and figured what the heck I might as well ask.
The subject pretty much says it all.
I'm a student at the university of wyoming, dance performance and computer
science.  I find myself giving massages and backrubs all the time (I have to admit I like doing it)
but on the other hand I almost never manage to get one in return.  Anyone in this area wiling to trade massage /backrubs once in awhile?
Total body massages are fine with me, dancing tends to make a very large
number of muscles sore.

I'm male btw, doesn't bother me which sex the other person is, I've no
qualms either way.


Thanks!

Jonathan Smith
From: saunders_j@cho006.cho.ge.com
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Serious response to stupid post.
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:33:51 GMT
Organization: GE Fanuc Automation, North America

Mickey, it's great to see you posting! I've been away from the
group for quite some time now and I'm just getting back into it.

Your story was wonderful, a delight to read. Now if only I could
read it with my eyes closed and imagine it. My neck's a little
stiff right now and I could use a massage. I agree with Barbara
Thomas who said "Tell me if you're ever in the Twin Cities in
Minnesota!!:)". Of course in my case that would be the Capital
District in New York state.

As to your question about empathy during a backrub. I pretty much
agree with you. I think I'd break it down a little bit into
"physical empathy" and "emotional empathy". I'd say you
definitely need physical empathy for a backrub but you don't
necessarily need emotional empathy.

I don't want to get too philosophical here, but I guess I would
break backrubs into two general categories: physical only and
physical/emotional. I'm sure there are very good physical therapy
types of massages that can get along fine without any sort of
emotional empathy.

There are all sorts of complex levels going on during a massage
and I'll just try to list some of the things that come to mind.
Certainly there's stuff I haven't mentioned and not all of this
goes on in every massage. The (few) professional massages I have
had have lacked any of the emotional stuff. Oh, this list is from
the massagees (what kind of a word is that?) point of view. It is
sort of in a chronological order...

- basic trust - that you aren't going to be tickled, that you
  won't be hurt, etc.
- physical relaxation - the actual physical massage loosens
  muscles
- mental relaxation - your mind is relaxed and all that stuff you
  learn about the relaxation response in stress management comes
  into play - the relaxed mind state (I don't know any of the
  fancy psychological terms for this stuff) relaxes your muscles,
  too
- deeper trust - I'm not really sure how to explain this
- emotional bonding - I don't know how to explain this either,
  except to say that in a massage with emotional empathy, along
  with the deeper trust, comes some sort of emotional bonding

Sorry for babbling on, I really didn't mean for this to get this
long. But it has...

I don't trust my posting software yet and I'm not sure my messages
are getting out. So please drop me a note if you read this.

/jonathan
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From: 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Where to get massage oils
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:27:51 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

>I'm just curious where people purchase oils used for massage.
>Are there specialty shops or can you get them at pharmacies or drug
>stores?

Lots of specialty shops ... mostly with bath supplies.  (Places
like Essential Oils or Body Elements, which I believe are chains.)

A friend of mine swears by glycerine cut 50/50 with plain tap water,
and this cleans up REALLY easy.
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: lblanken@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Laura Blankenship)
Subject: Stiff necks
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:16:41 GMT

My boyfriend gets a stiff neck all the time.  I'd like to know some
specific techniques that would help relieve it.  

--Laura
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking an FAQ
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:49:23 GMT
Summary: There is none
Keywords: FAQL

In article <rbzzavk@rpi.edu> arthum@rpi.edu asked:
>Is there an FAQ for this newsgroup, and if so, how frequently is it posted?

No.
-- 
James Blustein                                        `Did you say "knives"?'
<jamie@uwo.ca>                                        `*Rotating* knives, yes.'
From: jbuskirk@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (The Provert!)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: backrub exchange
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:21:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Name:  Jason Buskirk
Gender:  Male
Experience:  Lots of amateur stuff
Favorite Quote from Subject:  ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
City:  Philadelphia, PA
Will Trade With:  Anyone, as long as they reciprocate

just drop me a line...

--jason
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: "Christopher E. Hagen" <cehagen@raisin.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Backrub Exchange?
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:33:57 -0500

wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-lep.cts.com!syslep@cactus.org (System Leprechaun) writes:

>The biggest problem is the wide viewership.  You've gotta be in the same
>locality.  There's an inverse square law at work here.  The greater the need
>for a backrub, the further away lives the masseur or masseuse.
 
 
*sigh*

how true. 

-c
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From: Darren.Hanson@f271.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Where to get massage
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:09:00 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Oct  1 1992


 > Hi...I'm getting the message...I'd even offer a rub, but you are what I
 > see as geographically unavailable....I'm in So. California.... Anyway,
 > you can print this out and use the reverse side for a hanky....:) !!

Chucky's back..... <g> (Sorry, just got through watching the
Child's Play series of movies....) But I just couldn't pass up
the opportunity to comment that you and I are, potentially at
least, geographically available..... <hint, hint>
__
\/  Darren Hanson

---
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 14:58:17 EDT
From: <BJB125@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE

GO AWAY
From: Chuck.Jones@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Backrub Exchange?
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:13:08 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Oct  1 1992

US>Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
US>From: "Christopher E. Hagen" <cehagen@raisin.ucs.indiana.edu>
US>Message-ID: 1992Oct8.023405.16146@news.cs.indiana.edu
US>Newsgroups: alt.backrubs

US>wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-lep.cts.com!syslep@cactus.org
US>(System Leprechaun) writes:

US>>The biggest problem is the wide viewership.  You've gotta be in the same
US>>locality.  There's an inverse square law at work here.  The greater the
need
US>>for a backrub, the further away lives the masseur or masseuse.


US>*sigh*

US>how true.


Ahhhh!, but the more there are on the list the more dense the population
becomes, and the closer to 1:1 the ratio becomes....Tell your friends...
spread the word.....!!

CJ

 * SLMR 2.1a * If Alice doesn't live here anymore, where does she live!

--- Maximus 2.00
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: This is a story...I hope no one minds, and if you like it, tell me.
From: bthomas@dumaine.gac.edu (Barbara L Thomas)
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:34:18 -0600

In article <1992Oct7.084305.1949@leland.Stanford.EDU>  writes:
> I hope you all enjoy this story, and that it's not too far outside
> the charter of this group...
> 
> This story is collated from a variety of real-life experiences; if one
> of you happens to see yourself here, don't worry...
> ....no one will know it's you.  :)
> NOTE II: Any comments on this story, whether about form or content, are
> much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> Mickey.

Tell me if you're ever in the Twin Cities in Minnesota!!:)
--
Barbara L. Thomas
"The World may never know."
bthomas@nic.gac.edu
From: Chuck.Jones@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: SPERM backrub
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Oct  1 1992
Date: 11 Oct 92  10:11:10

SBM>Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
SBM>From: suemac@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Susan Beth MacPherson)
SBM>Message-ID: 1b7s5iINNkd@bigboote.wpi.edu
SBM>Newsgroups: alt.backrubs

SBM>this guy really needs some serious help.........

What kind of help would you suggest? He seems to have everything well in
hand...except for a concept of what is in good taste....I guess its less
destructive than the actions that result from similarly twisted minds...
I must say the guy is really low on self esteem... He doesn't even have
the guts to come out in the open and let her in on it...If she likes
someone like this she must be pretty kinky herself....I wonder what *she*
does for kicks? He is also likely responsible for half the crude graffiti
in his locale.......

Chuck

 * SLMR 2.1a * A soft drink turneth away company,as do other soft things

--- Maximus 2.00
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR)
Subject: RE: SPERM backrubs
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:45:54 GMT

Dear Mickey:

       You're just jealous, MR GREENEYES!


                               Gumby
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: HELP WANTED - Neck Trouble
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:03:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


(sorry..still no editor...)
I want to offer some of my most definately unprofessional opinions/
suggestions....umm...i agree with Mickey that you should experiment
with different ways of sleeping, and different surfaces..you do
not mention what kind of bed you sleep on..my personal experience
is mostly with backaches..i had one all throughout my highschool yrs.
then i shipped off to college, and no longer had my h2o bed...worked
wonders...i feel fine most of the time now..i even prefer a sagging
mattress to the waterbed..my Mom swears i'm wrong, as she prefers 
the waterbed..but that's what i think...also, some other things you 
might like to try...try sleeping on your back with a pillow under
your knees, instead of under your head(or try both, but i dunno abt
that one)..this helps align the spine along the bed, instead of having
the tailend of it (the "small" of your back) jacked up so that your
legs can lay on the bed...also try sleeping on your side, with your
head laying so that the neck is in line with your back,and so that
your knees are drawn up so that the back is aligned...this takes 
some practice to find out exactly when your back is aligned....oh
put your head on a pillow..so that the spine (neck) is not canted
horizontally..another suggestion: sleep on your back with a pillow
rolled up into a roll (buy a cheap one..they work best for rolling)
and placed uder your neck...the roll should be just so that your
head "hangs" over it...but still supports everthing...heck..you 
might even try this as a relaxation technique, as it IS kind of
hard to sleep this way..but..hey..if anything works, let us know..
so we can help others even more in the future...sorry so long..
sorry no editor...thanx for indulging..hope something helps!
Andrew
-- 
So my last quote was way off...i screwed it up.. i'll come up with 
a new one sometime soon....
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: dblackbu@carr11.alleg.edu (David Blackburn)
Subject: Is there a FAQ?
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:50:29 GMT


Subject line says it all...
oils, tips, favorite strokes....
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Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: "simon goykhman" <simon.goykhman@canrem.com>
Subject: sperm backrub
Reply-To: "simon goykhman" <simon.goykhman@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:44:10 EST

Buddy, I hope you're joking.
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From: Darren.Hanson@f271.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Where to get massage
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:18:00 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Oct  1 1992


 > DH> > Hi...I'm getting the message...I'd even offer a rub, but you are what
 > I
 > DH> > see as geographically unavailable....I'm in So. California....
Anyway,
 > DH> > you can print this out and use the reverse side for a hanky....:) !!

 > DH>Chucky's back..... <g> (Sorry, just got through watching the
 > DH>Child's Play series of movies....) But I just couldn't pass up
 > DH>the opportunity to comment that you and I are, potentially at
 > DH>least, geographically available..... <hint, hint>

 > The ball is in your court...

Hmmm..... Man~ana.....
__
\/  Darren Hanson (B5/7 f+ t w++ c g++ k++ s+ p)

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From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Convention Announcement
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:35:56 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <1992Oct6.020027.28246@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer)
writes:
>
>>>  Hmmmm...science fiction backrubs....  What a concept!
>
>I've given and received LOTS of non-sexual backrubs at SF cons.
>Many even have panel discussions on how to give good backrubs.
>(Just picked up a tip on using glycerin mixed 50/50 with water
>at a con.  Felt REAL good.  Cleaned up REAL easy.  Might need
>to try it myself soon.)

Hmmm...  Anyone in the Chicago area that is willing to do a panel on backrubs
at DucKon II?  (A *SMALL* local convention, this June.)  As a member of the
ConCom I'm always willing to draft volunteers...  8^)

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From: suemac@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Susan Beth MacPherson)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: SPERM backrub
Date: 11 Oct 1992 00:23:14 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu
Keywords: sperm, backrub

this guy really needs some serious help.........
From: usscriv@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Backrub Exchange?
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:18:38 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University


In article <PA142548.357.718637420@utkvm1.utk.edu>, PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
> In article <j772465@pro-lep.cts.com> wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-lep.cts.com!syslep@cactus.org (System Leprechaun) writes:
>>The biggest problem is the wide viewership.  You've gotta be in the same
>>locality.  There's an inverse square law at work here.  The greater the need
>>for a backrub, the further away lives the masseur or masseuse.
>>
> I heard 'dat!

Hey!  This is a miracle!  Someone in my own state!!!  Even if you are in
Knoxville - am I right?  I'm a student at Memphis State - maybe we can get
together!

Rebel
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: horntho@eng.auburn.edu (Thomas J. Horn)
Subject: Re: Do you all realize what you're doing?
Reply-To: horntho@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:58:23 GMT

In article 1@cc.curtin.edu.au, rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au () writes:
> In article <JARTSU.92Oct10142535@lk-hp-10.hut.fi>, jartsu@vipu.hut.fi (Jartsu) writes:
>> Go join the other kids and leave the net alone.
> Go join the other spuds and grow like a potato.
Go join the other suds and get belched as you are swallowed.
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: siobhan@microsoft.com (Siobhan Harper)
Subject: Re: Serious response to stupid post
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:24:31 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: sperm, backrub, empathy

In article <1992Oct11.101220.23116@leland.Stanford.EDU> sykopath@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mickey) writes:
>This is really more of a question than a point to make...
>
>I'd really like some feedback from other readers of this newsgroup,
>on how important empathy is in *your* massages...?
>
>To me, empathy is the central aspect of massage.  A massage which was
>not responsive to the recipient's reactions would be likely to do
>much more harm than good, IMHO.  No matter how good your technical
>skills are, if you apply them blindly and without regard to the
>state of the person they're being applied to, you're going to end
>up hurting them (if nothing else, people are put together in incredibly
>unique and different ways...what works wonderfully for one person will
>do nothing to another, and be positively painful for a third...)
>
>Or is this just me?
>

*hugs* back atcha, Mickey ;)

I couldn't really state it any better than you did above. Certainly,
technical skills are an important base (if only to know what you don't
know), but empathy is crucial. Sometimes that's as important as the
touching to the recipient, I've found.

--Siobhan Harper, LMP


Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: don@ANZIO.GATECH.EDU (The Angle of Mercy)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: RE: SPERM backrub
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:18:19 GMT


Wow!  SPERM backrub sounds like a great idea!  Can I get one too?
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs