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From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:13:32 GMT

In article <3323@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:
>
>I'll let you know if I ever get any photos of a non-human manufactured
>crop circle under construction...  ;-)
>
>Rick
>
>-- 
>Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
>kuryakin@bcstec.boeing.com       |           
>AppleLink:  kuryakin             | It wastes your time           
>r.pavek1@GENIE                   |          and annoys the droid.  

Rick,

Did you see the CBS special on crop circles? Not much conclusive evidence but 
there is a lot of good arial photography. Makes you realize real fast that
these were not made with 2X4s and ropes.

Gregg.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 21:03:13 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Everybody: You'll notice that some of the things mentioned in the 
last posting didn't happen.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: ahn@ac.wfunet.wfu.edu (Darth Vader)
Subject: Message from Death Star
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Summary: Testing
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:19:59 GMT
X-Posted-From: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

yo man.
this is a test
please ignore.
-dv
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: THE NATURE OF REALITY
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 07:40:33 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug14.142713.26703@acd4.acd.com> <q86m23j.jeffp@netcom.com>
  <kivaman.713891474@milton>

Dear Jeffery: I like your selection of books. I've read a few of them
and in the past have bought a few books in the East West Book Store. It 
is a good place to meet people who are searching for the truth.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Happening
Summary: military helicopters
Keywords: military helicopters lights
Reply-To: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:53:03 GMT
Expires: 9/19/92

The descriptions all sound like they were in California, and they all sound
like incidents involving helicopters.  The newer generation of military
helicopters are so quiet in "whisper" mode that you simply would not believe
it without seeing a demonstration.  Some police agencies have similar
"civilianized" equipment.  It's even spreading to "normal" civilian systems
who have to deal with noise complaints.

These incidents sound like another example of bright lights on helicopters.
It's no longer true that "it can't be a helicopter because I didn't hear
anything."

And DON'T let anybody hypnotize you unless you have a reason.  If you want to
explore the possibility that there was something else going on, see a
reputable clinical psychologist with no opinion on the "abduction phenomenon"
who does not resort to hypnotherapy without first trying all the more
"conservative" methods first.

I think that there are a LOT of military pilots with a twisted sense of humor
who generate incidents like this as a simple joke.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 17:08:46 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

     Subject: Our Sun.
             At the presemt time I'd like to make a statement that
     will probubly make most conventional scientist roll on the 
     floor laughing.  The statement is there are people living 
     on the Sun and they have come to the Earth in the past.
             Some of you may have watched Shirley MacLane's TV
     documentary about UFO's a few years back.  Her experiences 
     were with a man down in Puru and a lot of UFO informatiion.
     This man's name is Charles A. Silvas and after seeing that the
     show was a sucess he decided he deserved somthing for
     his  information, so he sued Shirley for a great deal of money.
     I don't know if he ever collected any money or not.
             Charles wrote a book about his actual experiences in a 
     book called "Date With The Gods."  In the book he explains his 
     meeting a very pretty, young looking lady by the name of Rama from
     another palnet.  
             While Rama was teaching Charles about sace and etc.,
     the subject came to our Sun.  Here are some of her main points;
     The  Sun is a world like any  other except it's very big.  There's 
     no fire on its surface, no more than on the Earth or any 
     other planet.  In fact, even less, because it's  a very old
     world and it's cooling process is greater.  The humanity is similar
     to Earth except lighter and taller, and more advanced in know-
     ledge.
             The Sun has its own self-lighted light,reflected by 
     the light of the spirits.  It attracts its light from the other
     solar systems.
             Imagine a huge magnifying glass in the universe.  This 
     magnifying glass is an atmospheric layer between the Sun and 
     the planets.  It works something like this; The Sun emits
     energy rays, and when they hit this atmospheric  layer, they 
     ignite into fire and light.  At a given point in the universe,
     there is a cosmic layer between the planets and the Sun.
             There are many religions  whose sources of life and re-
     ligious inspiration is the Sun.  The  Incas, Egyptians, Mayans,
     Aztecs and many others said they were descendants of the Sun.
             This information agrees a great deal with a lot of 
     other information that has come to me except the Sun may consist
     of abhout 11 different worlds that rotate  and cause the dif-
     ferent cycles of the Sun spots.  I'm still open to new infor-
     mation.  
             I'll leave you with this saying; A pessimist is a woman
     who thinks she'll be unable to fit her car into a certain
     space.  An optimist is a man who thinks she won't try.
             This being posted by Don Showen for John Winston.
     I am not Don.  Don is not me.
             Number 47.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:13:02 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <3323@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com 
(Rick Pavek) writes:
[...]
>
>Here's the assertion.  At least two or more Crop Circles were known to
>have been caused by Earthlings.  Ergo, they all must have been.
>
>I say "Prove it".

Rick - what sort of proof would be acceptable to you?  It's a very difficult
thing to prove.  The closest I could come would be to demonstrate how to make
circles very similar to the ones in dispute (assuming I had such knowledge - 
I don't, I'm just a casual observer).  Does that prove to you the other 
circles were created by humans?

What proof can be offered in _any_ regard as to the origin of an existing
object?  No matter how convincingly I can imitate it, you can always say,
'But you didn't prove that's how _this_ one was done'.  James Randi runs
up against this all the time.

	RA
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From: mgm@clipper.ingr.com (Mike Marfell)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Public Opinion Poll.
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:07:49 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

In article <1992Aug7.205502.18395@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath) writes:
> In article <1992Aug7.161433.25597@acd4.acd.com>, gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown) writes:
> |> I am taking a poll. This is a public opinion poll. This is a multiple
> |> choice quiz on what you believe. 
> 
> I never answer surveys unless I am fully informed as to who is collecting
> it and why.
> 
> -- 
>   Robert E. McGrath
>   Urbana Illinois
>   mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu

        


 It's probably for those pesky Greys I bet. Always trying to start trouble!
  

                                      
-- 

Mike Marfell                                      mgm@clipper.ingr.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Report on Phoenix Project
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 04:36:44 GMT

sm (ParaNet.Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG) wrote:

: A  few  weeks  ago, ParaNet received on-line  copies  of  several
: documents  which  purported  to come from  a  previously  unknown
: organization  called  "The  Phoenix  Project".  The  project   is
: described  in  the documents as a  "private,  civilian,  research
: organization"  which  was  "formed in  1952  to  investigate  and
: correlate information" concerning UFOs and ETs. According to  the
: information contained in the documents, for a small price one can
: receive  printed copies of the project's reports,  complete  with
: maps,  magnetometer  readings,  and a host  of  other  supporting
: charts  and diagrams which serve to make the whole endeavor  look
: scientific and legitimate.

: ParaNet  will  keep you advised of our findings  as  they  become
: available. If you have any information about the Phoenix Project,
: especially  regarding its possible relationship with the  Phoenix
: Liberator  or America West Publishers, please send it to  Michael
: Corbin  by  Internet mail to mcorbin@paranet.org; by  Fidonet  to
: 1:104/422;  by U.S. Mail to P.O. Box 172, Wheat Ridge, CO  80034-
: 0172; or by phone at 303-431-8796.

MY ex-roommate got this newspaper-looking-thingie in her mailbox
today (apparantly by mistake) from some sort of organization
calling itself "The Phoenix Liberator, Inc.".  The address given was
the same one as listed in the original post.  The "Subscription Rates"
column lists the following:

"Subscription orders may be placed by mail to the above address or
by phone to 1-800-800-5565.  Subscription rates are: $20 for 13 issues
(US) ..."   The address listed "for more information" for a series
called "The Phoenix Journals" is America West Publishers (claiming
to be a Nevada corporation) P. O.  Box 2208, Carson City, Nevada 87702.
They even list a phone number: 1-800-729-4131.  Another 800 number listed
is 1-800-729-3141.

FYI.  I don't support these folks, nor do I support Don Showen, or anyone
else claiming support for the Pleiades movement.  It all sounds pretty
silly to me, but what the hell do I know? :)
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG     erc@apple.com                801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moon Activities?y
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:00:24 GMT
Organization: GRASP Lab

In article <qtgym2j@rpi.edu>, morale@vccsouth19.its.rpi.edu (Enrique Morales) writes:
> Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes:

>[..]  You'd think just ONE of these zillions of "crashed spaceships"
> >might have produced one, ONE, just ONE inexplicable artifact or fragment.  So
> >far, nada.
> Has  A COVERUP BY GOV'T EVER OCCURED TO YOU?????????
> 
> I don't mean to be rude, but the gov't has been known to clear up all signs of anything 
>they don't want known. So lack of evidence is not a totally sound argument because the
>possibility of cover-up is still there.
> 


Sure, it's well known the US government controls the whole universe,
covering up every single proof of alien landing or crashing.
Should read the news, buddy. Claims of UFO crashes only come from
the US. In Europe, UFO crashes just don't occur. So either
the Aliens just love to crash in America, or they are
attracted by the Bermuda Triangle magnet, or the US cover
up ALL the crashes in Europe, or....


THE WHOLE THING IS CRAP.


Still waiting for an alien artifact,

JM.
From: Rickie.A.Slater@dartmouth.edu (Rickie A. Slater)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Personal Experience (was Re: Crop Circles?)
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:07:29 GMT
 <1992Aug14.195455.4178@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
 <3326@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <3326@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>
kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:

> Rick (Slater):
> 
> I'm still waiting for your proof that humans created all the 
> crop circles with 2x4s...
> 
> In fact, could you prove that humans created ANY of them?  Now guys,
> let's have him figure out this one by himself...
> 
> Prove to me that any of the crop circles were created by humans.
> 
> Rick
> 
> -- 
> Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
> kuryakin@bcstec.boeing.com       |           
> AppleLink:  kuryakin             | It wastes your time           
> r.pavek1@GENIE                   |          and annoys the droid.  

Rick P,
              
Why did my name get in this????? Maybe I don't post enough of the
article I am answering. I am not making that mistake this time.

I think some e(xtra)t(erestrials)'s are working.

If you knew the truth and the truth was unprovable to anyone who
doesn't want to believe it, would you spend your time trying to
convince the skeptics or would you spend your time learning more truth?
I know what I do.

I expect we know everything the ones responsible for the circles want
us to know. To me they have proven that it is possible to do the
unexplainable and cause a big commotion. It caused some people to start
expanding their minds beyond the known to look for new possibilities.
It caused some people to imitate the appearances in order to gain
(temporary) recognition. All while the unaffected majority still just
talk about what others have already done or are doing. Not exactly big
news. Nothing new here. Unexplainable occurances happen every day, to
someone, somewhere.
 
Think about this: The things we can do with our cars, boats, mass media
(and other stuff in use every day) might amaze jungle natives but what
affect would impressing them with your machines have on you? What would
you think of them if they spent all kinds of time trying to see the
hidden meaning? Would your intent in using these machines only be to
show them what kinda neat tools you have got or are you trying to
accomplish something for yourself by using the tools of our society?
Couldn't the circles just be the result of someone(s) working with
tools and not some special secret? Couldn't they have been here on
earth longer than humans? Couldn't this be their planet they are
letting us live on? And please don't expect me to prove anything
because what you don't know is your problem not mine.

No matter what the whole story is I still just want my own ship - just
like the one I saw one night. No lights, no sounds... just gliding thru
the night following the power lines... leaving me lying in bed, wide
awake, feeling scared out of my wits.

And BTW doesn't anyone out there, wherever this is going, have any
personal experinces to share.

Rick S.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gml@ositech.fi (Mikael Lonnroth)
Subject: Government documents, UFOs
Organization: Ositech Oy
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 15:03:00 GMT

Is there any way to obtain government (the US) documents in electronical
form? Any archives? Especially I would be interested in documents concerning
sightings of UFOs.
--
gml@ositech.fi
Georg M. Lnnroth
Espoo, Finland
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:24:23 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug18.023646.18295@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes:
>
>Either you honestly want proof, and define what constitutes proof, or you
>admit your demand was unfair, and withdraw the challenge.  But you can't
>have it both ways.
>
Well, as we have all probably figured out... there is a delay in
answering the posts.  The answers take time to run the full circle.

I've answered this question before.  (About 15 minutes ago, in fact).
I'll let that stand.

But my demand for proof was no less fair than yours...

There is a point where I can be persuaded that crop circles were most
likely ALL done by men.  From Earth.  I'm obviously not there yet.
(Man made machine is ok, too.)  

At the moment I still feel that some (a large percentage) of the crop
circles were created by some previously unknown or unverified non-
human force.  This might be a naturally occuring force previously
undefined, or it might be extraterrestrial in nature.  I'm not concluding
anything there, either, by the way...  I don't have evidence to prove
that conclusively, either.

I'll withdraw the statement the request for proof was rhetorical.
(It sounds like you want to try to convince me.  One of us is
going to be converted...  :-)

Rick

ps.  Sorry this doesn't travel as fast as email...



-- 
Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
kuryakin@bcstec.boeing.com       |           
AppleLink:  kuryakin             | It wastes your time           
r.pavek1@GENIE                   |          and annoys the droid.  
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Subject: Re: Ride on John's Back, Please! (Was: Re: Get Off John's Ba
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 00:19:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Aug11.124233.1583@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>, timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com () writes...
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>---- Creatures Great and Small: They won't let me use the word dear 
>>anymore. The information about the rocks comes from the current issue
>>of the tabloid paper Weekly World News August 18, l992 page 9. Since
>>Dr. Demonde and his colleague published their findings last spring, a furor
>>has arisen in the scientific community. The two researchers' work has
>>been ridiculed in some quarters.
>>John Winston.
> 
> 
>John you are being ridiculed in this quarter and that quarter and every quarter.
> 
>You have confirmed to the world that you are not operating on all cylinders.
> 
>Anyone who reads let alone believes anything from "Weekly World News" is a very
>gullable person and deserves to loose the money they have wasted on the purchase
>as well as the redicule they receive from the world.
> 
>You and Gary Stollman need to get together and have a nervous break down.
> 
> 
>Steve Food_for_the_Grays
> 
> 
  You know, I hate to have to admit it but there is a grain of truth to the tale
about the moving rocks but it has a quite logical explanation. Seven to ten years
ago some people noticed that rocks and larger stones ( this is probably where this
recent moving rocks story originated and then was corrupted ) were actually moving
and leaving trails behind them on sand in deserts around the world. After much in-
vestigation by scientists it was found that, yes indeed the rocks were out for a
stroll, but not by any paranormal or extraterrestrial means. It seems that in the
deserts where the temperature differences are quite extreme between day and night
that as the sun heated the rocks unevenly the heat caused an uneven expansion and
contraction in the material. This expansion and contraction would slowly cause the
rocks to 'creep' upon the sand and over a period of time also leave trails behind
them if the wind didn't eradicate the marks first. It is a common occurance in the
desert of Death Valley especially and many other parts of the world.
  Some things are logical, some not. But this explanation would most likely hold
for most other cases of apparently self motivated rocks out for a days jaunt.
								    Jim

======================================================================
   We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty...  Twain
                    Internet:    jim@apsicc.aps.edu
       Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager 
======================================================================
From: skibbens@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Sighting in New Brunswick, Canada
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:48:44 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Did anyone else hear about a sighting in rural New Brunswick,
Canada, around the end of July?  I heard about it from two
friends when I was up visiting during the first week of August.
They say that a large number of people around Woodstock, NB, 
reporting sighting one large blob of light, followed by two
smaller blobs.  A friend at CBC Newsworld says that they 
showed a home-video of this sighting on national TV.  Although
neither of these two saw it themself, they said that someone
I do know saw the lights.  I'm planning to check with him when
I get back up there around the end of the month.

If anyone has more info about this, or knows of anyone else up
there to talk to, please let me know.

Ronzo Garbanzo
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:25:09 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:
>     Omnec was also brought up in a very strict atmosphere
> of a church where one of the young men rose to prominence,
> Elvis Presley.

I knew Elvis would be brought up eventually.

>     I'll leave you with this saying;  You can go through
> more trials and tribulations on this Earth in one lifetime
> than you can on a utopian type planet in 1,000 years.

As a writer, John makes a great reader.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
From: of@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Fibre Optics)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 16 Aug 92 11:05:08 GMT

In <3326@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:

>Rick (Slater):

>I'm still waiting for your proof that humans created all the 
>crop circles with 2x4s...

>In fact, could you prove that humans created ANY of them?  Now guys,
>let's have him figure out this one by himself...

>Prove to me that any of the crop circles were created by humans.

Obviously I can't _prove_ anything to you but I know several that were
created by humans last year. I know the guys that made them.

>Rick

-- 
Peter Harris   G4BDQ  |         Unusual exploding disclaimer  ->    (}|){//)
Fibre Optics *-----------------------------------------------------(--PAF !-)
Southampton University| "Relax in the safety of your own delusions" (/}|{\\)
of@ecs.soton.ac.uk    |           Kerry Wendell Thornley              |||