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From: ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:19:47 GMT

In article <greg.717948880@saltydog> greg@saltydog.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis) writes:
>In <BvFBAK.FB1@world.std.com> ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub) writes:
>
>>I think Bush vetoed the bill because he wants it to be a benefit
>>voluntarily given by businesses; he's offering a counter-plan to give
>>tax breaks to companies that offer family leave benefits.
>
>>I think companies should provide family leave, but benefits like this
>>should be voluntary, not forced either through legislation or
>>collective bargaining.  In the long run, far-sighted company
>>management would see that such efforts would benefit the company as
>>well as the employees (obviously true, but management is not noted for
>>its vision).  Forcing companies to comply would simply cause them to
>>supply the very minimum possible benefit and still be within the law.
>
>Terry must be a very patient man.  This country has seen a steady*
>decrease in the ratio of one's life spent in discretionary time vs. one's
>time spent in mandatory labor during the last 150 years.  And, the last four
>decades of the period, like the first four, have produced a particularly
>distressing acceleration** of that erosion.
>
>Assuming that management gets an enlightenment pill today and
>things start going the other way, I still don't have any hope that
>it'll happen before I die.  Or before Terry dies.
>
>*There was a temporary reversion during the depression when the average
>workweek dropped to 30-35 hours.
>
>* and ** from the _Atlantic_, August 1991, "Working for the Weekend"
>
>greg
>
>--
>Gregory Reed Travis				D  P  S  I
>Data Parallel Systems Incorporated   greg@dpsi.com (For MX mailers only!)
>Bloomington, IN			     greg@indiana.edu (For the others)

I'm not all that patient, but I do read history.  Why don't you read
something more substantial than the Atlantic, or ask your parents what
kind of hours their parents and grandparents used to work?  People
used to work seven days a week!  Decrease in leisure time--you've
gotta be kidding!
From: gregj@kong.eng.hou.compaq.com (Greg Judkins)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Where all that vacation time went!
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:09:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: twisto.1992Oct2.190949.20178
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.

In article <1850@sousa.ltn.dec.com> paradis@sousa.enet.dec.com (Jim Paradis) writes:
>
>>	I happened to spy a graphic in tonight's paper.  It's
>>entitled "School Vacations (Average length of summer vacations
>>for primary and secondary schools):"
>>
>>	U.S.	12 weeks, France 11, Italy 8, Germany 7, Japan 6
>>
>>	So that's it!  We give up vacation time as adults because
>>we get so much as kids :-)
>
>Yes... well, there's a big push in a lot of areas to go to some
>form of year-round schooling.  However, I don't see that as the
>precursor to increasing the amount of adult vacation time.  Rather,
>I see it as a way of getting kids accustomed to keeping the ol' nose
>to the grindstone 12 months a year.... 8-(
>
>--
>Jim Paradis (paradis@tallis.enet.dec.com) 
>Working for DEC, speaking for myself.
>

Most forms of year-round schooling I have seen do not change the number of
days spent in school.  They only change the frequency and duration of off-times

Greg
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: greg@octopus.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis)
Subject: Re: Fmaily leave (was: ...so little vacation time?)
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:09:05 GMT

orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich) writes:

>Why should being married make a difference, either?  But the real question is,
>"Is it legal in this country to show hiring preference to people that are more
>likely to be there when the company needs them?"  The Politikally Korrekt
>answer is "Not if the gender of the job candidate or their degree of sexual
>activity is considered a factor."

Orville, you're getting more and more hysterical as time goes on.  It's
kind of fun, but it's kind of scary too.  The best kind of thrill,
I think.  And it doesn't sound like you've had sex in quite a while.

How about:

"Is it desirable in this, or any other country, to show compassion to
people that need leave for medical reasons?  Can we afford, as a
nation and society, to place human needs above immediate capital?"

greg


--
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Data Parallel Systems Incorporated   greg@dpsi.com (For MX mailers only!)
Bloomington, IN			     greg@indiana.edu (For the others)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Subject: Re: What to ask the interviewer...
Keywords: eep op orp ah ah
Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 21:31:37 GMT

In article <gheim.920930124704@lab14.eng.auburn.edu>, gheim@eng.auburn.edu (Greg Heim) writes:
> 
> I have a couple of new-at-interviewing questions.  I haven't seen answers
> in the books I have read.
> 
> Q1: When it is my turn to ask questions, what are good things to ask the 
>     interviewer?

You don't necessarily need to wait for your turn. If they are
describing a position they have in mind for you, ask them questions
about it. It shows you're paying attention. If what they're saying
doesn't make sense, ask for clarification.

One of my personal favorite questions to ask is, "If you hire me, what
do you have in mind for my first project?" When they descrive that to
you, this ahould generate even more questions on your part.
-- 

   -paul	pmartz@dsd.es.com
		Evans & Sutherland
From: cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:47:35 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <BvFBAK.FB1@world.std.com> ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub) writes:
>
>[lots of stuff deleted]
>
>
>I think companies should provide family leave, but benefits like this
>should be voluntary, not forced either through legislation or
>collective bargaining.  In the long run, far-sighted company
>management would see that such efforts would benefit the company as
>well as the employees (obviously true, but management is not noted for
>its vision).  Forcing companies to comply would simply cause them to
>supply the very minimum possible benefit and still be within the law.
>
>And, young married women might find it a bit harder to find a job.
>
>T.T.

And single women too.  Well said, well said.  There are too many people
looking for a free lunch in this country and we have it relatively easy 
compared to others.  We need to look to Asia in addition to Europe for
hints on policy; the Asians will eat our lunch if we are not looking.
(I think they already got breakfast)
-- 
Craig Shaver  (cshaver@informix.com for now) (415)390-0654 (415)926-6407
Productivity Group POB 60458 Sunnyvale, CA  94088
From: bb@generali.harvard.edu (Brent Byer)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Business Opportunity BULLSHIT <some facts for everyone to review>
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:30:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: burrhus.1992Oct4.203014.828
Organization: Textware, Cambridge, MA

In <1992Oct3.181754.25140@netcom.com> messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) :
>caa@Unify.Com (Chris A. Anderson) writes:
>>In <+r+p#5g.messina@netcom.com> messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) :

TP>>> Amway distributors do not get income
TP>>> from recruiting new members, do they?  DO THEY?

CA>> No, Amway distributors do not get income for recruiting new members.

TP> I suggest you read more carefully.  I said "from".  And yes, that is the
TP> basis of any successful venture in Amway - recruiting new members, like
TP> in any Pyramid Scheme.

Just another example of why it's called  Scamway .

CA>> If you want to discuss this, take it to misc.jobs.misc.  I'll be happy
CA>> to educate you.

TP> EDUCATE?  Give me a break.

Calm down, Tony.  Chris is merely pointing out that in
the Scamway lexicon,  educate -> obfuscate  .

    brent byer
--
Updating an old childhood taunt to current US politricks:
"He's so full of shit that his hair turned brown."
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: naiming@eng.umd.edu (Naiming Shen)
Subject: Looking for headhunters for EE in DC area
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 19:38:29 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Maryland
Distribution: dc


I was told that headhunters are better than regular job agency
for professionals. Can someone give me a list of headhunters for
electrical engineering/computer science professionals? thanks
in advance.

Naiming,

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From: kbs@espresso.ai.mit.edu (Karen B. Sarachik)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: DOS/Windows Programming Position in Georgia
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:21:13 GMT
Followup-To: misc.jobs.misc
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab


	****************************************************
	DOS/Windows Programming Position (Marietta, Georgia)
	****************************************************

A.D.A.M. Software requires a highly motivated and enthusiastic Windows
programmer willing to work in a media-rich, group development
environment. This high visibility position reporting to the Software
Engineering Manager will be responsible for the Windows product and
associated production tools. Secondary areas of responsibility will
overlap and cross platforms.

Requirements

* One year minimum Windows application programming (OLE, DDEML),
* C and object oriented design experience, C++ preferred,
* A desire to further programming knowledge through self-study and
	peer teaching,
* Strong interpersonal skills,
* A problem-solver, not afraid of analyzing work without pride in
	authorship, able to contribute to group discussions.

Preferred Skills

* Creative pursuits (music, sketching, etc.),
* Cross platform experience (Macintosh, Unix, OS/2),
* Network, animation, or database programming experience.

Even though the first Windows version has already been developed, this
is not a maintenance position. Strategic decisions on
inter-application communication, internationalization, networking, and
image compression must be made in a rather short period of time. The
project's first six months will be demanding as we bring the Windows
version through its next revision; afterwards, our group will focus on
cross-platform development tools.


For preliminary information about the company (10 page information
packet), contact kbs@ai.mit.edu, or Karen at (617) 253-8170 (work).
I am posting this as a favor for a friend.

For more information, contact:

Adam W. Hunger
1899 Powers Ferry Rd
Suite 460
Marietta, GA 30067

TEL: 404-980-0888
FAX: 404-955-3088
From: bpk@evolving.com (Brad Knotwell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Information on relocation
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:30:12 GMT
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


My girlfriend is relocating to Denver (from the Bay Area) in January.
I would appreciate suggestions on the following:


	1)  Prior planning for the job-search. . .what can she do prior
	    to January.

	2)  Easiest way to move all her belongings (considering the fact that
	    she has very little in the way of furniture).

Please respond via email.  Thanks in advance.


 

That which does not kill us. . .will only make us stronger.

                                               -UNKNOWN

Brad Knotwell 				bpk@evolving.com
Evolving Systems, Inc.			   	
Denver, CO


-- 
That which does not kill us. . .will only make us stronger.

                                               -UNKNOWN
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: u8901852@cc.uow.edu.au (jenny watson)
Subject: Re: Question about company's response to resumes
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 05:43:40 GMT

hideg@spsd630a.erim.org (Steve Hideg) writes:

>What about responding to one of those letters?

>Should you respond at all?

>If you really want an interview, should you pehaps give them a phone call?
>If so, when? How soon after receiving such a letter?

>_________________________
>Steve Hideg

>hideg@amadeus.erim.org

A friend of mine phoned the companies before he sent the letters, asking them
for the name of the person to whom he should address the letter.  That way it
seems more personal (a name rather than dear sir/madam), and the person who 
receives it hopefully remembers the phone call and will pay more attention 
to the letter.  If you want to contact the person after sending the letter,
there's no fixed rule, you could phone a few days afterwards to 'confirm' 
that the letter reached its destination.  It wouldn't hurt if you really 
want a job with that firm.

One other thing I heard of being done is to get someone who knows you 
(preferrably in business or position relating to your field of study) to 
ring up the perspective employer and to say something like "My name's _______
_____, and I'm a friend (assoicate, colleage, etc) of _____ _______ who I 
believe has just written to you applying for a position in your company.  If
you want to know anything about him/her please feel free to contact me.  My 
number is _______"   The idea here is for the person not to say anything, 
(and definately not to launch into a speech about how good you are) but just
to let them know there's someone to contact of they want to know anything
 about you.  Hopefully, this brings added attention to your letter.
Personally, I think this is a bit to much to ask of someone, but it comes
recommended by a partner in a recruiting agency.

Good luck.

Jenny.

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: "jeff woods" <jeff.woods@canrem.com>
Subject: working temporarily i
Reply-To: "jeff woods" <jeff.woods@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: misc
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:21:40 EST

>This "confirmation of offer of employment" is an official Canadian
>Employment Centre document as described in the previous post, and is
>only granted after the job search for a Canadian to fill the job has
>been completed unsuccessfully.   This takes six months.   You cannot
>just "go to the border with a letter confirming you have been offered
>a job".  That's quite important to clarify.

GL>Doesn't that depend on whether you are trying to get the Canadian
GL>equivalent of an H-1 (what's our name for that?) or going to the
GL>Landed Immigrant (Permanent Resident) immigration track, or if you are
GL>an American Citizen getting on the Canadian equivalent of a TC-1 work
GL>permit issued under the US-Canada Free Trade Agreement terms?

Under "Free Trade" (an oxymoron if I ever heard one) there are only very
few things an American can do in Canada.   Marketing, sales (but
emphatically not the delivery of products), etc, for limited periods (no
longer than 30 days, I believe) are allowable.   For long-term
employment (one year or more) with a Canadian firm, you need the
EMP-5060, or Confirmation of Offer of Employment Form from a Canada
Employment Centre, and it is only granted after a six-week or longer
search for a Canadian able to fill the position.   With 12%
un-employment, these are very difficult to obtain for temporary and
virtually impossible to obtain for permanent (landed) status, since
almost all landed positions are filled by relatives of Canadian
citizens.   I tried for an EMP-5060 marked for permanent and was denied.
Mine is temporary, but renewable, renewal denied this time due to high
Canadian unemployment.

Suffice to say, Canada is being VERY picky about who they let in for
long-term employment, even if only "temporary".   I only wish it was as
easy as you say, as it took six months from the job offer to my being
able to enter Canada and be placed on the payroll.

Jeff Woods     |  CIS:  71035,2167  |  Internet:   Jeff.Woods@canrem.com
Telix Support  |  Fido: 1:259/403   |  Direct BBS: 416-439-9399 v.32bis

 * DeLuxe2/386 1.25 #171s * Just wait til Biggus Dickus hears of this!
--
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: gheim@eng.auburn.edu (Greg Heim)
Subject: What to ask the interviewer...
Keywords: eep op orp ah ah
Organization: Alabama Department of Tourism (NOT!)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:47:04 GMT


I have a couple of new-at-interviewing questions.  I haven't seen answers
in the books I have read.

Q1: When it is my turn to ask questions, what are good things to ask the 
    interviewer?

Q2: What is a good answer for "What benefits are you expecting?"


Thanks for any help,

Greg



                     | Recent Graduate, looking for job in Atlanta area.
Greg Heim            | 3+ Years _real_ experience in... UNIX administration,
USENET Junkie        | Relational DB design, PC Hardware/Software Tech Support,
gheim@eng.auburn.edu | Shell programming. Resourceful problem solver. Hire me!
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: akerson@deimos.srg.af.mil (Pete Akerson - akerson%srg@uunet.uucp)
Subject: Re: Cash Prizes for Ideas on Saving U.S.Jobs
Organization: ARINC Research, Corp.
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 13:05:59 GMT




keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) wrote (a while ago) :
>>(Pete Akerson - akerson%srg@uunet.uucp) writes:
>>(2) highly tax imported cars, electronic goods, and electronic parts; use
>>that tax revenue as capital to (re?)-invest in those industries.

>OK, Let's see who is going to suffer if this is implemented.  I go
>down to the Electronics Superstore to buy a VCR.  Because of this
>additional tax, I now have to pay several dollars more for the VCR,
>because no American company makes one.  Then, if they do start making
>VCR's, I will have to pay more for them, because the American company
>is not going to price them lower than Japan's VCR's including the tax.

False.

The price should be lower in order to gain market share.
Their profit comes from having built a (new) more efficent plant,
lower shipping costs, and avoidance of the tarrif.

( Who was giving out the cash prize anyway ? )
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Family Leave Act
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date:  5 Oct 92 15:57:27 GMT


   A number of postings in this thread have addressed the claim that
legally mandated maternity leave in the U.S. will result in women being
discriminated against in the job market, because employers will be
reluctant to hire women who may take such leave.

   There must be women on the net reading this who live and work in
countries which have such legally mandated leave.  Perhaps some of them
could post and tell us whether they feel such leave has resulted in
discrimination against them in the job market, and whether consequently
they feel they would be economically better off if such laws were
repealed in their country.  
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: txwizard@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (txwizard)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.taxes
Subject: accounting firms - job conditions, etc.
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:49:44 GMT
Reply-To: txwizard@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (txwizard)
Followup-To: misc.jobs.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: txwizard@bashful.cc.utexas.edu

I would greatly appreciate it if some of you can share your
experience in working for an accounting firm (especially in
tax and audit).  

Thanks in advance for your effort!!!!

mike kim

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka)
Subject: Re: Where all that vacation time went!
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 03:15:13 GMT

orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich) writes:

>In article <1850@sousa.ltn.dec.com> paradis@sousa.enet.dec.com
> (Jim Paradis) writes:
>>Yes... well, there's a big push in a lot of areas to go to some
>>form of year-round schooling.  However, I don't see that as the
>>precursor to increasing the amount of adult vacation time.  Rather,
>>I see it as a way of getting kids accustomed to keeping the ol' nose
>>to the grindstone 12 months a year.... 8-(

>operating schools year-round  !=  attending school year-round.

>It makes a lot of sense to use the buildings all  year-round, and it also
>gives much more flexibility in helping kids that just can't learn it all
>in the first time around. They can then be held back a semmester (not a
>year), and not suffer the indignity of being sent to "summer school".
>It should also reduce the number  of "social promotions".

I think there is a tendency in the US to fix things by increasing
the quantity. The stream of studies indicating that american students
as a whole do not perform as well in math and sciences has resulted
to a push to increase math/science requirements in high school/college.
The high school kids know less here than abroad. Fix? Make kids go
to school year around. 

But more of waste of time doesn't fix anything. The basic problem
is the bad quality of american education system up to college,
(Again, as a whole, the system sucks. There are many good schools
but only a small minority has access to them.)
For example, almost all Bachelor's degrees would correspond to 
a high school degree in Europe.

Try answering the question: what do kids learn from grades
K to 12 in the US? Think if it's reasonable.

I think the basic problem is that the system doesn't even expect
the students to learn.

jari

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From: brians@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Brian Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs,misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered,biz.jobs.offered
Subject: Software Engineer
Summary: Job in network expert systems
Keywords: expert systems, network
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:29:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6160


ENGINEERING  
  
SOFTWARE ENGINEERS 
  
ProTools, Inc. is a fast growing software engineering firm
specializing in LAN analysis and management tools.  Located in
the scenic Pacific Northwest, employment at ProTools provides
for a high-quality professional and recreational life style.
We have immediate openings for the following position: 
 
LAN EXPERT SYSTEMS ENGINEER 
 
Minimum qualifications include 3 years of C programming experience
and a thorough understanding of applying expert systems to LAN
protocol analysis applications.  ONLY APPLICANTS MEETING THESE
MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS WILL BE CONSIDERED.

Pay based on experience.

We offer a competitive compensation and  benefits package to highly
motivated computer professionals.  Applications will be strictly
confidential.  If you qualify, send your resume to:

          ProTools, Inc. 
          Attn:  Director of Engineering 
          14976 NW Greenbrier Parkway 
          Beaverton, Oregon 97006 

    An Equal Opportunity Employer 
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