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Re: Allsop

A few weeks ago there was a multi day race here in Santa Rosa.  In the
pro 1/2 race there was a guy on Coors Light who was using one of these.
It wasn't Phinney or Gaggioli, the only two guys I recognised on the
team.  Apparently the Allsop is making its way into the pro peloton.

-Bud        Paris Roubaix on Sunday!
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From: mj@spitfire.UUCP (Mark Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: help
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:54:25 GMT

help
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From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:01:02 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <3216@tegra.COM> hull@tegra.COM (Andy Hull) writes:
>	The fact that *bicycles* are *supposed* to move to the right for
>	faster traffic does not mean that they do.  

Andy, would you mind telling us where you get this "fact"?  It is
certainly not from the Massachusetts Vehicle Code, which states the
bicycles need only ride as far right as practicable, and that you, as
an overtaking vehicle, are responsible for passing in a safe manner
and only when it is safe to do so.

>	When I was a small
>	child I was taught to ride my *bicycle* on the side of the so
>	that I wouldn't be killed.  This is someting that a lot of adults
>	seem to have forgoten. 

Ah, now we know where you get your "facts:" from your Mommy when you
were a little boy.  I shudder to think that there are people like you
riding your motorcycles around this state with your only knowledge of
the rules of the road being what your mother taught you when you were
five.

>	 You exibit some of the "elitest snot"
>	attitude that is prevailent amongst *bicyclists*.  

Oh, I get it now, you ARE five, and you're posting from your Daddy's
account!

>	You are no
>	better than the rest of us and *you* have no more right to road
>	than anyone else.  

Yes, thanks, Andy, that is exactly the point we have been making all
along.

>	In addition your attitude sucks; get a life

I recommend you get a copy of the Massachusetts Vehicle code, and read it.
However, since your mother obviously taught you all you need to know at
the age of five, that seems unlikely.

John_Ampe@att.com
From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trek 5200 Review
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:47:52 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Andover, MA

In article <16190225@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman) writes:
>Background:  I'm a triathlete  primarily but I train almost  entirely  with
>	     bike racers.  I enter and win most local citizen's bike races.
			     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	     In our local TT series (10K) I can average 26 mph.  In the 40K
>	     cycling leg of a triathlon I can average a tad over 23 mph.

Larry, m' boy, I think it's time to stop beating up on the poor
citizens and take out a license.  It sounds like you should be racing
at least at the Cat. 3 level.  I'm sure the increased competition
could only help your triathloning [did I get that right?] as well.

John_Ampe@att.com
From: cg@regent.csd.mot.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Races results: Paris-Roubaix
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:13:23 GMT

Hi there,

  Since my thank you note to you got bounced, I deciede to post to
  the net my deep appreciation for your wonderful coverage!

  Please do post your own race.

  Thank you again.

  Go, LeMond!

Ciao!
 
Your Chinaman,
-cg-	CG Sheng, Motorola, ISV Group, Commercial Systems Division
	Phone: (408) 369-4267  FAX: (408) 369-4125
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From: stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RE: SHOULD I BUY A TREK, BRIDGESTONE, OR CANNONDALE?
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:26:09 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER

Paul R. Baisella asks for info on some road bikes.
I have an old Cannondale and a Bridgestone RB1. I am on a team
sponsored by Bridgestone.  I liked my Cannondale, but I think that my
Bridgestone feels better during hard cornering.  I can feel a bit more flex
on my RB1 when out of the saddle, though that is probably due to the
wheels.  You really have to decide what you intend to do
on your bike.  If you are really into TT's then the geometry of the
Cannondalle is great.  For pack riding and climbing the overly steep
angles of the C are a real liability.  A lot of the people I ride with
got Cannondale frames from their team, and everyone of them had to go with
some sort of funny seatpost in order to get a comfortable position.
It was really silly move on the part of Cannondale to go with such steep
tube angles.

Anyhow, when you are looking at price, you should carefully consider what the
total cost will be after you adjust the stem, put on the bars and pedals you
want, and make any gearing changes you want.
The Bridgestones come with appropriate crank lengths for the bike size.
If you want to change this when you get you, it could be a really big expense.
If you want to change this when you get you, it could be a really big expense.  I f you want to change this when you get your bike, it could be a really
big expense ($60 to $80)

Paul stek
MIT Cycling Team
Stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
From: seales@stilton.cs.wisc.edu (Brent Seales)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: The Paris-Roubaix 1992
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:49:40 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.


			    The Paris-Roubaix
			 Sunday, April 12 1992
				France


The Paris-Roubaix Classic, known as the "Hell of the North", is certainly
the most well-known of the Spring Classic races.  The course runs from just 
north of Paris to the velodrome finish in Roubaix, near Lille in the far 
northern part of France.  Famous for the sections of old cobblestones that 
are included on the course, the riders must suffer both the unpredictable 
weather and the sheer force of the rough "pave".  The strong men are always 
in front in this race, and the rider that wins is typically very powerful, 
not too heavy, not too light, and very nimble.  Chance plays a role in who
punctures or crashes on the "pave", and the narrow cobble sections have robbed
many riders through the years of both strength and victory.  The finish in the 
velodrome in Roubaix is always exciting, and has varied from a solo victory 
lap (Marc Madiot in 1991 for example) to a photo finish, won by only the 
width of the rubber on a tire (Steve Bauer's heartbreaking second place 
finish in 1990).

Heros of Old:
	Roger de Vlaaminck (1972, 74, 75, 77)
	Rik van Looy (1961, 62, 65)
	Eddy Merckx (1968, 70, 73)
	Francesco Moser (1978, 79, 80)

Last year's race was won by Frenchman Marc Madiot who attacked in the same 
way and at the same place as he did when he won in 1985, 15 km from the finish 
in Roubaix.  Last year he finished alone and brought the Paris-Roubaix victory 
back to France.

Brent
(taken from Velo Sprint 2000, March 1992)

P.S.  Much of this race will be televised live on Sunday afternoon in France.

Greg Lemond was quoted in the Nice-Matin during the Paris-Nice stage race
saying that he would love to win one of the classics, especially the 
Paris-Roubaix.  Is Greg hungry for a classic?

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From: ad0834@csc.albany.edu (Andy Dickinson)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian seeks biking shoes
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
	<RODNEY.92Apr6165330@goldengate.math.orst.edu>
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:19:52

In article <RODNEY.92Apr6165330@goldengate.math.orst.edu> rodney@goldengate.math.orst.edu (Rodney James) writes:
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   From: rodney@goldengate.math.orst.edu (Rodney James)
   Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
   Date: 7 Apr 92 00:53:30 GMT
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   I have a pair of Avia shoes (can't remember the model, they're the
   blue/yellow/gray ones, one notch down from top of the line) that I like very
   much. There's a tag inside that says 100% man made materials.  

Huh.... yeah.... it seems like all the synthetic shoes are at or near
the "top-of-the-line."  It's really strange... when ever I buy regular
shoes (like sneakers and stuff) the synthetic shoes are always the
cheapest ones!  The "all-man-made" materials sneakers that I bought
last summer cost me $10, and have lasted me since then... If I want to
get cycling shoes though, I have to spend $150+... oh welll...

Go figure..

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From: stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: high speed shimmy
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:08:46 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER

I saw something pretty frightening in a race this weekend.
This was on a long steep descent at the Army Stage Race at West
Point (a really great race by the way).  At about 50 miles per hour
one of the riders in front of me had his bike go into very
violent and rapid (5 to 10 Hz) oscillations.  This happened right before a
sharp fall away U turn.  Luckily there was a road that continued straight and
he was in enough control of his bike to go straight never to be seen from
again in the race.  His bike was moving several inches from side to side.
My guess is that he was one of the many bozos who were needlessly getting in
a tuck with both hands on the top of the bars near the stem. Anyhow, I have
never seen this happen before.  He was riding a carbon frame bike with
an aluminium fork.  After the race Italked to him and he said that
he did not have a flat or anything.  Has anyone ever heard of something
like this? It was really scary to see. Especially from 3 riders back.

Paul Stek
stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
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From: groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Date: 3 Apr 92 16:08:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: mailer.1992Apr3.110812.22653
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department

Lets see, saw Elvis at the bycycle crash, the Hitler like police
took statements and it looks like it was a countersteering problem
caused by too much dod paraphanelia.  Ok, now lets take it someplace
else. PUhleeeese.
--
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1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder)
Subject: Re: Spring cancelled in Ottawa, Canada
Reply-To: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:08:47 GMT

In <1992Apr13.124759.27475@csi.uottawa.ca> kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist)) writes:

>This morning, I woke up to a nice and beautiful, bright... SNOWY DAY!!!!!

>!@^&*)(!@$^&(!@%^&)!@#$^&)(#!%&*()!#&*()!@&*) $!@&*) @!*)%&%*!$&&$@! !!!!!!

>The bloody snow was reflecting light into my room.  I thought it was sunny!

>!@$^&*)%@!^#@^&$)@!$^!&%)@&*$@!*(&$_(*!@&%^&$)@!^&*)%^ !@&*$)&@!$  !!!!!!

>5" (13 cm) so far... more to come.

What the !@$^&*)%@!^#@^&$)@!$^!&%)@&*$@!*(&$_(*!@&%^&$)@!^&*)%^ !@&*$)&@!$
are you complaining about!!!  Get some x-c skis and go!!!  I'd *love* to
be in Ottawa today.

(Here near Washington, it's around 40 F at the moment, after a
beautiful week of warm weather.  It's all because of that Canadian air
coming over the border again; Congress should really pass a law :-))

>-- 
>Ken Iisaka  kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca | Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do.
--
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NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: WBA Wheels Builders Anonymous?
Keywords: WBA
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:11:26 GMT

weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt) writes:

>In article <1992Apr7.143213.8835@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>>Anyone who can't build & true a wheel just must be deficient...I built
>>
>>Oh, yeah, as for the "deficiency" claim -- I should admit that I can't
>>saw a straight line with a table saw...so it's all in good fun!

>Actually, I've never tried to build a wheel, and my truing attempts have
>to be supplemented with the shop truing them.  But I can saw a straight
>line :-) 

I'll happily true your wheels if you'll build my new kitchen
cabinets...huh?  huh?  huh?

:-)


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From: kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist))
Subject: Re: Race results : Paris-Roubaix
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 20:05:12 GMT

Did Greg LeMond use suspension forks this year?

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Artificial Intelligence Laboratory | I'm half crazy over the love of you.
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         (613) 564-8155 / 789-2932 | afford a carriage,
From: csw@cypress.com (Corey Wilner - FAE)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:11:20 GMT
Reply-To: csw@cypress.com.UUCP (Corey Wilner - FAE)
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA

As an answer to the above, thankfully no!

Last summer, my wife and I were riding our tandem in a week-long ride.  To
make a long story short, we were passing a some riders and crashed.  As we
were passing, we let our friend who was in the group we were passing cut in
ahead of us.  He accelerated in front of us and cleared the tandem without
incident.  However, he clipped the wheel of the bike in front of him and
went down right in front of us.  I slammed on the brakes and turned away
from the danger only to dump the tandem on its side.  I broke out of my
pedals without a thought and rolled away from the bike.  All I could think
about was that my wife would still be clipped in and torn to shreds.

When I rolled away from the bike, I cut my knee up just a tad.  After I
completed my roll, I looked back to see my wife standing up next to the
bike!!!  No torn clothing, not even a scratch!!!  She says she doesn't know
what happened but she was able to release without even thinking!

Corey
csw @ cypress.com
From: macintyr@mips.uucp (Craig MacIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Low Profile brakes=low performance braking?
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:26:52 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Dept of Mathematics

In article <1992Apr15.170043.6704@novell.com> chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler) writes:
>In article <12441@tamsun.tamu.edu> macintyr@mips.uucp (Craig MacIntyre) writes:
>>
>>I have used the Dia Compe 987's (I think, the cheaper of their low
>>profile ones--the ones that are the *lightest*) and they don't break
>>very well.  The newer ones are better but cannot compare to the XT
>>servo wave setup.

Thanks, I couldn't remember the numbers.  I agree that the 987s are
good breaks.  They are light, durable and have good feel.  But I
stand by what I said, they do not compare to the servo wave XT's.
We are splitting hairs here, if you never used the Servo Wave, you
wouldn't miss it.  Once you have used it, it is hard to adjust to
life without it.  (Sort of like anti lock brakes on a motorcycle.)
>
>The 987s are Dia-Compe's top-of-the-line cantilever.  The 986 is the
>brake that preceded the 987.  The 986 does not have the power that the
>987 has.  Most folks that complain about the 987's (or even 986's)
>lack of braking power don't set them up correctly.  The straddle cable
>should be as flat as possible.  At the minimum, it should be at a 90
>degree angle to the arm when the pads contact the rim.

This is a good point.  On almost all cantilevers, the stradle cable
should be fairly flat.  However, this gives you a trade off between
mud clearance and braking power.

>
>And yes, the 987s can't compare to Shimano's Serve-Wave setup -- the
>Dia-Compes don't have as many moving parts. ;+)
>

Point taken, however, if simplicity is all that mattered, we would
still ride fixed gears on the road.

>--
>Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
>chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
>==================================================================
>     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
From: scott@mks.com (Scott Nicol)
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:22:48 GMT
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA

In article <1992Apr7.171503.21267@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
>
>If you get thrown by something you can't react to [such as a chunk of metal
>suddenly locking your front wheel] will the force release a clipless pedal? 
>
>Does anyone have any anecdotes on this?

   I don't believe that, if your front wheel locked, any pedal (clipless or
quill) would release your foot.  Then again, I don't see how having your
feet free would really make any difference in the severity of the injuries
you would sustain.

   Since you wanted annecdotes, how about this one:

   I was right behind (and to the right of) a rider who hit a car head on.
We were riding in a large pack (80 riders), in an early spring Saturday
morning club ride.  One rider decided that he wanted to get to the front of
the pack, and, not being an experienced rider, he went into the oncoming
lane to get around the pack.  He wasn't watching the road, and didn't
notice the car.  On impact, he went over the car, and his bike went under.
The left pedal (high-end Look pedal) released his foot, because it shattered.
His right foot was still in the pedal.

   He was travelling at around 60 km/h, and so was the car.  I also
went down in that accident (I hit the rider in front of me at about
30 km/h, and he hit the rider that hit the car), and my bike seperated
from me (Campy quills, leather straps).

   I sustained more serious injuries than the other two riders, mostly due
to me eating a chainring on the way down (Campy tastes better than
Shimano!).

   Another irrelevent fact: I was the only one wearing a helmet.

   Anyway, the moral of this story is that, in a crash, the only
certainty is that you'll be sore.  Whether or not your pedals release
your feet usually has very little bearing on how you come out of the
accident.

-- 
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Organization: Doctoral student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:41:16 -0400 
From: "Michele L. Moe" <mmap+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Touring Europe?

I am posting this for a friend, but you can reply to this account.
His message follows:

thanks ellen, hi everyone.  I'm going to Dublin, where the beer's seldom
bubblin, in 2 weeks.  Planning a circuitous route through Erin before a
larger 4 month trip through the continent.  probably a clockwise sojourn
through East Europe to Turkey then past Greece, Italy and Sicily to
North Africa.  Over to Spain, back up through France to finish sometime
in Ireland around the end of August.  I'd like to hear from anyone who
may be doing a similar trip, has already done such a trip( or part of
it) , or who would like to let me put up my tent in their backyard.  my
name is Harley.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dmlieber@jarthur.claremont.edu (Stu)
Subject: ZOOM mtb necks
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:42:40 GMT

I'm looking to replace the cheap (heavy) steel neck on my mtb with
a lighter neck. One of my friends just bought a ZOOM mtb neck from 
the local shop for $25.  I think this is an aluminum neck, and is
very light.  I would like to here some opinions on this neck.  I want
to know if it can handle a 200 pound rider riding very hard on the trails,
or if it's prone to fail under hard abuse.  Does this neck creak very much?
My friends bike is getting old, so I can't tell if it's the neck that's 
creaking, or something else, which it's very likely something else.
Last of all, is this a good value, or is there something better out there
for about the same price.  

Stu
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From: nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu (N.W. Choe)
Newsgroups: uchi.forsale,rec.bicycles,chi.forsale
Subject: Racing Wheelset for sale
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:00:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Beaver Consulting Co.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0

For Sale:
	One set (front and rear) of tubular wheels.
	Bought from Performance last year- rarely ridden. 28
	spoke front, 32 spoke rear. Mavic GEL280 rims, Mavic
	500RD hubs. With Vittoria Criterium Super tires already
	mounted. 7 speed 13-24 Suntour freewheel optional.
	
	Ridden for less than 100 miles, these wheels are absolutely
	smooth and nearly perfect. Still true, for example. And the
	braking surface is unscathed. I'm selling them to partially
	buy another bike. (I'm completely BUYing the bike, but I need
	the money more than another set of racing wheels.) The
	replacement cost of this wheelset is around $275, I think. I'm
	selling it for $225 or best offer. I think that it could be an
	AMAZING deal for an extremely lightweight, ultrasmooth set of
	wheels.
	
nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu
Norman W. Choe
312.702.4614


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