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From: ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Pot Talk
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:29:39 GMT
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)

In <tarrall.716264934@qso> tarrall@Colorado.EDU (Captain Neon) writes:

>jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (PARKER CHRIS S) writes:

>>>Shckwish!
>>Shckwash!
>Er, shckwush?
>							-Neon.-

Come on, it's a nickname, ok?! Don't wear it out...

Shckwish!
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: THE HIDDEN STORY OF THE L.A. REBELLION
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 10:31:59 GMT

blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:


>		THE HIDDEN STORY OF THE LOS ANGELES REBELLION: 
>		    DOMESTIC POLITICS IN THE NEW WORLD ORDER
>	By the Los Angeles Rebellion Support Project of Refuse & Resist!

	This is a load of crap.  The residents of LA were subjected to a 
crime wave, nothing more or less.  To the criminals it was a fun party, 
but to everyone else it was misery and fear.

	You want your family to know how good riots are?  You can have one 
at home with some friends.  Cancel the insurance on your father's house and 
burn it down.  Rape your sister.  Shoot your mother dead.  Call it a 
"rebellion" in a 500 line post and maybe some college student will think
you were a martyr.

>(painstakingly typed in by Christopher, all spelling mistakes mine, of course)

What a waste of time.  It looked like the work of Harvell Barzelli (sp?)
who continualy posts mounds of crap like this to alt.conspiracy and a dozen
other inappropriate groups.

Jim Del Vecchio
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:24:08 EDT
From: <SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Inner Center "Toots"

      I have recently received Inner Center's catalog, and I was wondering
what people might have to suggest as far as the toots they offer. Any
body have any idea on how to get 5-Meo-DMT while we're on the Inner Center
topic? Inner Center said itself that they were unsure as to the legal status
of this substance. Please clue me in.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:12:54 GMT

starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:
: 
: I've excerpted the paragraph I object to in an otherwise agreeable post.
: 
: Absent drug prohibition, would youth gangs be able to afford automatic weapons?

Possibly. There would always be something else illegal that they could sell.
Do they have automatic weapons, or is it a bunch of WOD hype?

: Would they war over sales territory?  Would they recruit those that can be
: tried as juveniles?

Certainly. They have done that - drugs or no drugs. They would war over
territory - just because they want it. They would recruit members as usual.
Remember, these are youth gangs - not legal adults.

: Not as much as with drug prohibition.

Possibly, not necessarily. I don't see how you can make any causal connection.

: Youth gangs aren't necessarily a problem.  They're a problem if they engage in
: impermissible activity, in which case the recourse is to criminalize the
: activity and enforce the law, or if they engage in immoral activity, in which
: case legal recourse is ineffective and inappropriate.  Persuasion and
: education must be relied upon, and perhaps other consensual activities.  There
: is no place for the state in this.

Right. Enforcement has been tried for centuries. It never has worked - it never
will. As you say, persuasion and education would have better results. Maybe
giving these people some hope for the future would even work better.

: You note drug use as trivial, but marketing and distribution are highly
: correlated with youth gangs.

It is? Or is it that the pushers are just more likely to also be gang members.
Once again, I doubt if you could show any causal connection between the two.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Cocaine and sperm
From: civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:18:56 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

Last week's science program "Toward 2000" had a very short piece about
cocaine and sperm.(Shown on TV in Australasia)
Apparently,"studies have shown" that the cocaine molecule has an affinity
with sperm.
It attaches to sperm cells and is taken into the ovum being fertilised.
The implications of this are to be advised.

Has anybody seen/read these studies referred to? If so how about posting
a summary/abstract?

Brandon Hutchison,University of Canterbury,Christchurch
                  New Zealand
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re:   ,   120-155
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:38:08 GMT

In article <ADm3WhgaT6@exinco.msk.su>, ulja@exinco (ulja) writes:
> ,     120  155 
> 10 .   80 $      
>. .      .
>
> . 095 252-09-28,:095 255-69-82
>  .

Hmm - Is this an ad selling Russian oregano ;-)?

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagchi@eecs.umich.edu (Ranjan Drzzzzt!  Bagchi)
Subject: Re: Heroin
Organization: Recreational Creationists, Inc.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:40:54 GMT


	William S. Burroughs has some interesting notes on heroin
addiction in the currently available version of "Naked Lunch" 
(sorry, no ISBN for y'all, my copy's not with me)... of interest
are the introduction and the appendix (a submission to the
British Journal of Addiction).  The actual text is encouraged, 
and you can make whatever conclusions you like.

	The New York Times had an article this summer (either July
or August) on the front page about a high-powered Manhattan
executive who's been on and off heroin for the last 20 years.
I wish I hadn't recycled it, 'cause it would have been
interesting to type in.

	-rj

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From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:40:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Dreams & Bud
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.dreams
Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com


In article <1992Sep14.194419.6912@Cadence.COM>, phz@cadence.com (Pete
Zakel) writes:
|> 
|> God is a polythiest



	What's that, then ?



	Cheers,


		RIK


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
From: lairdb@crash.cts.com (Laird P. Broadfield)
Subject: Re: Huumausainelakiuudistus
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:15:23 GMT

In <1992Sep11.171906.20275@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>I don't feel like translating this now (perhaps someone else does?),
>so I'll just repost it.  It is about the proposed change of drug laws
>in Finland.

>Huumausainelakia ollaan muuttamassa rikoslain 50 luvuksi.  Asiasta
>j{tti ehdotuksen rikoslakiprojekti, joka esitti mm. huumausaineiden
>k{yt|n rangaistavuuden lievent{mist{ ja korvausk{yt{nn|n uudistamista
>kansainv{listen sopimuksien vaatiman rahanpesun kriminalisoinnin ja
>muutenkin hieman laajemman kriminalisoinnin lis{ksi.
[and so forth....]

Goodness, they must have to buy a *lot* of vowels when they play
Wheel of Fortune.


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: tkirby@nyx.cs.du.edu (Thomas Kirby)
Subject: Re: 900thousand babies born addicts in US
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 06:43:14 GMT


     A lot of the media were behind Hitler, too.
 
     If there is a drug to really worry about, it is tobacco.  No one
seems to seriously think of a tobacco user as an addict, but nicotine is
the most addictive substance I know of.  Babies absorb the stuff through
the bloodstream just as they would any other substance, and there are a
lot more mothers who smoke than who use cocaine or heroin.  
 
     One fact about the "crack baby" myth.  In 81% of the cases where the
doctor says that a baby is a "crack baby", the mother was never tested for
drugs.  I believe this would tend to throw out most of the diagnoses, and
the criteria for diagnosis, right out the window.  Back to square one,
doctors, you blew it.
 

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From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:55:16 GMT
Organization: Memes-R-Us
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:

>>They do have automatic weapons, indeed.  There are residents of Oakland who
>>pick up spent shells from their yards every morning, as if they grew there:
>>32 caliber, 9mm, 22 caliber, etc.

>So a bunch of pistol shells are lying around.  All that proves is that
>pistols were fired.   Do you have any evidence that any of them were
>automatic?  To my knowledge, there are no .22 automatics, and there is
>only one type of automatic pistol that uses .32 caliber ammo: a Checho-
>slav made collector/curiosity item that would certainly suprise me to
>see as the choice of a serious criminal

There are .22 automatics, yes. Converting a semi to full is not impossible.

.32 caliber ammo is directly exchangeable with 7.65mm ammo, and 7.65 is
a NATO standard, so, yes, many, many weapons take .32 caliber ammo. Ruger
automatics come to mind ...

>	If you are saying pistols, revolvers, shotguns, or even rifles 
>are common among gang members, I believe you.  However if you are saying
>that submachine guns are common among gangmembers, or even claiming that
>that the use of submachine guns by gangmembers is not extrordinarly rare,
>then I cannot believe you.  Were you to provide some evidence for your 
>claim, perhaps I could.

CAR-15s, the semi-automatic version of the M-16, are widely available.
The difference is in the firing pin, I believe.

>I have yet to see any evidence that automatic weapons are commonly
>used by gang-bangers.

Go cruise Oakland some weekend evening, I suggest the projects near the
Oakland West BART station ...

-- richard


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G Barrett)
Subject: Re: The best hash I've ever
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 11:15:43 GMT

In <ck.715562850@iconix.oz.au> ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis) writes:

>In <1992Sep2.133307.10758@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:

>>In article <1992Sep2.120840.4104@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.or
>> (Keith Lewis) writes:
>>>I don't know if you can smoke LSD.  My guess is no.
>>>

It should be possible to smoke LSD, but it is probably extremely inefficient.

>> My guess is that it was DMT. That has been a common thing to spray
>>inferior pot with DMT. People I know had some a few times. They called it
>>"trip weed". (Imagine that...)

THC does have some hallucinogenic effects; A fair of amount really high quality
marijuana could induce mild, trip-like effects.
 
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: china white
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: alt
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:14:50 GMT

jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>ken.campbell@canrem.com (ken campbell) writes:
>>Question: is heroin becoming "chic" again?
>   Sure. One of the greatest achievements of the WoD seems to be that heroin
>is getting back the glamour it lost to cocaine in the mid-1970's. Hallelujah.

Well, my sarcasm light went on after reading the last line.  However, as
it has been pointed out recently, heroin is a much safer drug to (ab)use
than cocaine.  Indeed, I think inner-city America would survive with legal
opiates.  With legal stimulants (cocaine, (meth)amphetamine), I am not so
sure.

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From: patrik@cup.portal.com (Patrick M Crumhorn)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Ancient Egyptian drug users
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 19:01:30 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

=START=   XMT: 09:02 Mon Sep 14  EXP: 09:00 Mon Sep 21 

GERMAN RESEARCHERS FIND DRUG TRACES IN EGYPTIAN MUMMIES 

MUNICH (SEPT. 14) DPA - German researchers have found traces of drugs in the
hair, bones and muscle tissue of ancient Egyptian mummies, a spokeswoman for
Munich University said Monday. 

Samples taken from nine mummies dating from 1070 BC to 395 BC tested positive
for hashish, nicotine and cocaine indicated that the ancient Egyptians used
drugs. The discovery of cocaine is especially interesting, because it is
considered a modern drug. 

Researchers now had to investigate if the substances could have found their way
into the cadavers after death, Professor Gisela Grupe said. 



=END= 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: Heroin
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:01:43 GMT

locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu () writes:

>Makes you puke; junkies don't spend money on food; see "Chocolate to Morphine"

   Junkies seldom puke. Inexperienced users often do. See any book on
pharmacology.

>Varies from person to person; if you get an intense "orgasmic" rush you should
>probobly stop, this is a sign of organic addiction(IMHO).

   If you get an intense orgasmic rush, your response to heroin is normal and
you are in danger of becoming psychologically addicted, which in turn promotes
carelessness regarding dosage and frequency, which can in turn lead to
physical addiction.

>Check out some medical references on morphine addiction for an unbiased
>account of morphine addiction. Heroin is the same stuff (I believe its a
>couple of morphine molecules linked together; when it gets into your blood
>the molecules become unlinked.

   Heroin in its most common form, as the hydrochloric salt, is millions of
diacetylmorphine molecules linked together (as crystals) which become
unlinked when the substance is diluted in water. ;-)

>I think you are referring to something noted with respect to "speed freaks". 
>Amphetamine junkies (supposedly) have some strong BO from constant use of
>their drug of choice. Never heard of a similar effect from herion

   Could someone describe this odour? I once ran into a terminal speed freak
and there was a strong odour about him, a bit like the antiseptic smell
that's present in hospitals and at the dentist's.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics,guns
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:53:04 GMT

starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:

>They do have automatic weapons, indeed.  There are residents of Oakland who
>pick up spent shells from their yards every morning, as if they grew there:
>32 caliber, 9mm, 22 caliber, etc.

So a bunch of pistol shells are lying around.  All that proves is that
pistols were fired.   Do you have any evidence that any of them were
automatic?  To my knowledge, there are no .22 automatics, and there is
only one type of automatic pistol that uses .32 caliber ammo: a Checho-
slav made collector/curiosity item that would certainly suprise me to
see as the choice of a serious criminal

	If you are saying pistols, revolvers, shotguns, or even rifles 
are common among gang members, I believe you.  However if you are saying
that submachine guns are common among gangmembers, or even claiming that
that the use of submachine guns by gangmembers is not extrordinarly rare,
then I cannot believe you.  Were you to provide some evidence for your 
claim, perhaps I could.

I have yet to see any evidence that automatic weapons are commonly
used by gang-bangers.

Perhaps you merely mean pistols, rather than machine-pistols or
submachine guns?

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jknapton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Josh Knapton)
Subject: Heroin
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 04:01:45 GMT

OK, I would like some info on Heroin - this has not really been covered in any 
FAQs that I know of. 

I hear that it is most commonly shot with a needle, but comes in a powdered
form. How is it sold, and in what general price bracket?

Also, what are the effects like, and especially the drawbacks? I have heard that
it wastes the body by some method. How?  

How easy is it to kick the habit, or get completely addicted?

And pretty important: I hear that you can 'smel;l' heroin users, that their body
odor gives them away somehow. Is this true, or another myth? And how easy is it
to detect whether someone is high on this or not?

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From: djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Idea for New Drug
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:35:19 GMT
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center

In article <92253.193957NXG103@psuvm.psu.edu> <NXG103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>  You have probably have heard of Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR).  This is
>  Anyway, when they put you into one of these machines they strap you in to kee
>p all movement to a minimum.  Why.  Because it causes a REALLY strong magnetic
>field which affects the cells within your body, your brain also.  If you move w
>hile in this strong magnetic field, a force is exerted perpendicular to your
>direction of travel,  the effect--instant pudding for brains.

You can't be serious.  NMR is a "slow" technique, if you move you'll
blur the picture.  Isn't there a rule-of-thumb in photography that for
exposures longer that 1/60 or 1/30 you should use a tripod?  NMR
processes can have lifetimes comparable to this.
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Heroin
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:28:37 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <HABA.92Sep11011057@lesti.hut.fi> haba@lesti.hut.fi (Harri "Haba" Suomalainen) writes:

>In case of morphine the relevant thing to look at is distance from the
>nitrogen atom to the oxygen atom not in either -OH group. That stucture

    Not true.  Check out any medicinal chemistry text and look for the
"morphine rule", which, in three parts, outlines the structural
requirements necessary for opiate-like activity.

>occurs both in methadone and in mepiridine, therefor the somewhat similar
>efects. That has been tried to copy for a new synthetic drug a long time..

    I have no idea what the last sentence here means.
>
>Changing morphines stereochemilal structrure slighly acetylation makes
>the relevant distance different slightly. That sure has something to do
>with the change in efects!

    Wrong again.  Acetylation makes the -OH groups much more lipophilic,
which facilitates crossing the blood-brain barrier.  Whatever minor changes
may occur in molecular shape are inconsequential.
>
>BTW, synthetic morphine would be rather easy to me, though I've not done
>it. Check out Chemical Abstacts for info on how it may be done. Not a two
>step synthesis though..

    Morphine has been synthesized several times, and it is a lengthy,
non-trivial process.
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     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ.
From: ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Marijuana and Impotence Question
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:50:14 GMT
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)

In <billie.716010770@camelot> billie@camelot.bradley.edu (Eliot Frick) writes:


>I've read the various FAQs as well as the info at the ftp site at
>ftp.u.washington.edu, and I can't find anything on the relationship of
>Marijuana and impotence.  I was wondering if someone could post some
>information as to this subject.  Thank you.

I think perhaps marijuana is a cure for impotence. A possible side effect
of marijuana intoxication and sex is that both participants may not be
able to walk for a few days.

>--
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>"Rock band auditions today: Must be able to play 3 chords and grimace
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>billie@camelot.bradley.edu

Shckwish!
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton)
Subject: Re: I was wondering if anyone here knows of any virtual reality group
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 21:58:22 GMT
Organization: t.b, t.p.d, & a.d
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Danny DiDio (901371d@dragon.acadiau.ca) wrote:
: Does anyone know of any virtual reality groups?
: 
If you are asking about newsgroups, sci.virtual-worlds (moderated) is the
place to start.  alt.3d also has some relevant info.

If you are asking about groups of people which do research (or play around) with
VR, sci.virtual-worlds would be a good place to look for info.  Also
Howard Rheingold's Virtual Reality book, which is not very detailed, but
will help keep you from seeming totally ill-informed.
  -- Clifton

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bowman@reed.edu (Eric Bowman (bobo))
Subject: Re: somethings to ponder...
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:20:31 GMT

All right!  Another completely meaningless post by Jim Del Vecchio!

Please, Jim, tell us what the point of that last post was, or were you
just wasting bandwidth?

Bandwidth wastingly yours,
bobo
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