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From: Jonathan P. Crone <cronejp@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: Paramount's editing of ST:TNG for ST:DSN promos
X-Xxdate: Thu, 28 Jan 93 12:58:30 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:56:57 GMT

In article <4839@vidiot.UUCP> Vidiot, brown@vidiot.UUCP writes:
> Are you fed up with the fact that your favorite TV show, STAR TREK: The
Next
> Generation, is being edited so that a 30 second ST:DS9 promo can be
added?
 
Of course, that!s assuming that you actually SEE the promo... Here in
Ottawa
we get the choice of  watching TNG on one of three channels, (All of which
run TNG Saturdays at 7pm) (Oh Joy, so much for alternative times to watch
it)

One of the stations doesn!t run ANY promos at all, instead choosing to
fill
time with extra commercials, and some twit whom they call !Mr.
Personality!
who!s supposed to be an on-air host to improve our enjoyment of the
show. (think of a really really bad MTV or Much Music V.J. and you
get the idea...) (IE: I avoid this channel unless the feed on the
other two channels is really bad (due to microwave delivery to the cable
head end here in Ottawa) )

The other two feeds usually run the promos, but still edit the shows....

BLAH!!!!!

> In case you didn't know (which would be a surprise), starting with
"Chain of
> Command, Part I", the normal length TNG episodes (45:30) have become
shorter
> in length (45:00).
> 
> This resulted in all of the repeats after CoC to be 45:00 and the
latest new
> episode (Ship In A Bottle), to also be only 45:00 long.
> 
> Please call up the Paramount ST office and voice your opinion regarding
this
> practice.  Do mention that you enjoy DS9 (you do don't you :-) and that
you
> have a problem with TNG being shorted by 30 seconds, in order to add the
> DS9 promo.

A letter is probably more effective, whats the address????

> When you call, ask the person to forward your comments to the
producers.  Be
> nice to the person answering the phone.  It doesn't help our case to
get mad
> at him.

Amen to that...

> OK, the number for the ST office is:  (213) 956-5951
> 
> I plan on sending a follow-up letter to Rick Berman and Michael Piller.
> Maybe you should too.

I will, give me the address... (I also intend to include a mention of the
fact that all three stations available in the Ottawa area muck up
the TNG and DS9 feeds in some manner or another....) 

JpC

Jonathan P. Crone	613-763-8624	Fax 613-763-2803	ESN:393-8624
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net.opinion.
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From: kkane@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin Kane)
Subject: Re: Colonel Wes(t) == Odo ?
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 02:44:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.160841.22059@watson.ibm.com> roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com writes:
>So the question is:  "Is Colonel Wes(t) played by Rene
>what-his-face, the guy that plays Odo on ST:DSN?"  It really

Yep.. Rene Auberjonois (?) is all of Colonel West, Odo, and Clayton
Endicott.
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: English as Earth's standard language in the 24th Cent.?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 07:30:32 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
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 In article <steph.727945994@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu>, steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
 >In <1993Jan24.074334.4145@Princeton.EDU> hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg) writes:
 >
 >>Somebody mentioned that English was supposed to be the standard language
 >>in the 24th century (on Earth at least).
 >>Several facts actually work against that:
 >[...]
 >>- Chekov is obviously a Russian native and Sulu a Japanese. Since there
 >>is only a generation of time difference I doubt that English has taken
 >>over that fast. Why shouldn't these languages not exist anymore a
 >>generation later?
 >[...]
 >Sulu's American -- he was born in San Francisco, remember?  Has he ever been
 >shown speaking Japanese?
 >[...]
 >

    Has Checkov ever been known to speak Russian?

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: pjs@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Peter John Swiatkowski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Q
Date: 28 Jan 1993 22:40:02 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
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In article <20023@mindlink.bc.ca> Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes:
>> Daniel J. Mendez writes:
>>
>> I just saw a repeat of the TNG show in which Q is after the girl who
>> turns out to be also Q, and I am utterly disgusted. Is it only me, or do
>> other people feel that the presence of Q detracts from the show overall?
>>
>> It just doesn't make sense, and if it was (as some people doubtlessly
>> think) an
>> example of his "dark sense of humor", maybe they should move Q over to
>> "The Simpsons".
>
>If Q is truly an omnipotent being there would be no secrets from him and he
>should be able to easily conceal anything from the Enterprise crew, including
>the "tornado" information.
>
>Of course, that would kill the plot, but still...
>
First up I think this thread probably belongs in r.a.s.misc so any follow
ups there please.

I think one important point here is that Q **IS** omnipotent (he can do
anything) but I don't think it has ever been said that he is imniscient
(all knowing) though. Sure if he really is omnipotent then he should be
able to make himself omniscient, or maybe there are some limits to his
powers. Or maybe we should just blame the writers for another foul up.

Just my 2 cents worth.

I'll just go back to watching Australia's version of 'current' STNG. The
Defector is on in half an hour (11PM - presumably put in that time slot
after it rated badly in prime time). I only hope that it keeps being aired
here no matter the time-slot, rather than pulling it off the air only to
return in our non-ratings periods.

Peter Swiatkowski
University of Melbourne
in AUSTRALIA.
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From: dormrec@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Halter )
Subject: Re: Kill Troi fan club
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 07:40:06 GMT

In article <C1B720.4LC@cs.dal.ca> sweet@ug.cs.dal.ca (garth r sweet) writes:
>7. The "I want Troi tortured, beaten, abused, killed and cut up into little
>   pieces that get ejected onto some planet to be eaten but the local vermin
>   and have Troi never make guest apperances" commitee.
>
>+---------------------------+----------------------------------------------+
>+ Name : Garth Sweet        + Hackers Motto:                               +
>+ email: sweet@ug.cs.dal.ca +   "Getting there is ALL the fun!"            +
>+ phone: 902-865-8987       +                                              +
>+---------------------------+----------------------------------------------+
>
	The great and powerful (and slightly egotistical) Dorm-Rec
officially endorses the 'Kill Troi Fan Club'.  Comittee #7 seems to 
be the most attractive to us.  We feel that Troi is definitely the
worst character on TNG.  If all female ST characters could only be 
more like Kira...

					Love,
						Dorm-Rec


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From: ledgerj@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Jim Ledger)
Subject: Re: DSN:Man Alone - *MINOR SPOILER* Was that who I think it was? 
Organization: Ada Joint Program Office
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:10:15 EST

In article <malinon.727683022@vincent2.iastate.edu> malinon@iastate.edu (Ramon C Redondo) writes:
>
>Was the person that played the murderer in disguise Sean Connery?

No way.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:20:02 CST
From: <U58505@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Kira and Dax

Well after reading all the posts and stuff I just have to put in my
two cents.

First of all I like Kira more than Dax.  Yeah Dax is better looking but
Kira isn't exactly chopped liver either.  She's a babe.  If she were
gum, she'd be babe-ulicious.

I love her attitude.  Seeing her take out that guy during the mob scene
drove me nuts.  I was like - damn.  I like her nose too, really turns
me on.  As for her acting, hell, I don't see anything wrong with it.
The hair cut's great too.

Dax - well she's got zero personality development right now so the
only comments I can make are about her physical appearance.  And so
far, I like what I see.
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: MOST OVERRATED EPISODE?
Keywords: most
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:51:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1jll81INNlo2@shelley.u.washington.edu>, rene@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte) writes...
> 
> 
> 	As long as we're on the topic of Best/Worst Episodes
>(again...), I'll try to introduce something original....That is, "Most
>Overrated Episode".  What do you think? 
> 
>	My pick definately goes to "I, Borg".  I like most TNG trek,
>but the attention this one got seems totally unwarranted.  There was
>nothing hinted at during the episode that Picard was in any way still
>under the Borg influence, so when the "climax" of the episode came (I
>am Locutus...), his questioning seemed flat.    The REAL problem is
>NOT in the fact that they made a mildly enjoyable, reasonably mediocre
>episode of Trek.  The PROBLEM is that  they took the most menacing
>and relentless enemy ever faced by the federation, gave it Big Eyes, a
>pleasing face and a stuffed animal voice, and turned the menacing borg
>into something CUTE....feh.   An inexcusable waste of a perfectly good
>enemy. Die Hugh, die.
> 
>	To give you a sense of Trek that I do like, my favorites are
>The Inner Light (I've seen this at least 12 times now, and I never
>tire of it....), Darmok, BOBW, the entire Worf "arc", Measure of a
>Man,  Picard's Happy Adventure with Mr. Cardassian/Chancellor Gorkin
>(side job, you see...).....

     "Night Terrors" and "The Nth Degree" seemed to be well liked
      on the net despite being dreadful pieces of shite.

     Scott.
From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: "A MAN ALONE" CREDITS
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:51:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

Can someone please send a copy of the Paramount press release credits
for "A Man Alone" to my address?  Somehow I missed them when they were
first posted, if they were.

Scott Hollifield
scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com
                                     
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From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: Babel - DS9's overlooked solution
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:21:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.174035.21198@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>  
gvelden@ccs.northeastern.edu (George E Van Dervelden) writes:
> 
> 
> I find it a little strange that the station had so much trouble with the
> virus. So the virus generator bypassed the replicator's biofilter. Just  
put
> the person that is infected, in the transporter and then that biofilter  
would
> filter out the virus. Everyone would be back to normal. For the time being
> anayway.
> 
Nahhh, weve seen this before on TNG. Aparently the biofilters on the  
transporters don't work on some viruses (spelling?) especially once the  
infection has set in.

--
"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not  
sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
-Richard Nixon 
Mark E. Brodsky				E-mail: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Northwestern University                 or  markb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Evanston, Il.
From: sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Odo is NOT hollow! (Was: Re: Odo: conservation of mass)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 11:13 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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In article <1993Jan25.230004.8421@choate.edu>, dsohl@spock.uucp (Daniel Sohl) writes...
>In article <ewright.727554926@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>>In <1993Jan18.065945.872@netcom.com> linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
>>
>>>The densest substance known to exist is iridium (22.5 g/cc). 
>>
>>Nope.  Not even close.  Try nuclear fluid.
> 
>Well, not counting black holes, the densest substance would be neutronium
>(the stuff a neutron star is made of). Or were you referring to the densest
>substance that mankind has managed to make?

The modern expression is "nuclear matter."  Neutronium is an old expression
that had more currency on TOS than among scientists.  People sometimes
refer to the stuff that nuclear matter is made of as "the nuclear fluid,"
but the truth of the matter is that the phase diagram of nuclear matter is
not entirely known, so calling it a fluid is a risky business.  Sometimes
it may be a fluid (as in normal groundstate nuclei) but what phase it 
takes in the center of a neutron star is not entirely settled.  The folks
who study this subject refer to themselves either as high-energy nuclear
physicists or heavy-ion physicists depending on the clique.

-Scott (High Energy Nuclear Physics graduate student ad nauseum)
--------------------
Scott I. Chase			"It is not a simple life to be a single cell,
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		 although I have no right to say so, having
				 been a single cell so long ago myself that I 
				 have no memory at all of that stage of my 
				 life." - Lewis Thomas
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From: ALI00BAW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Subject: Re: Neckties (was Re: Duras Sisters' Cleavage)
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:35:57 GMT

In article <1jtd3aINNn9h@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
aa687@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Keith Ammann) writes:
 
>
>
>In a previous article, YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu () says:
>
>>   Also, I would like to ask what is the formal function of a necktie
>>anyway?  Whenever I tie one on me (which is as few a times as possible,)
>>I always feel like I'm tying an hangman's noose around myself and offering
>>myself to whomever comes up as an executionee.
>
>Many of you are going to think this far-fetched, but I have it on
>excellent authority -- Paul Harvey's.  :-)
>
>Apparently the tradition of wearing ties comes from Croatia,
>albeit in a pretty twisted manner.  Seems a French emissary had
>gone to Croatia to find out why the Croatian army was kicking
>everyone else's ass.  At first it seemed like it was just a
>question of their morale being several levels higher than anyone
>else's.  But then the emissary heard a rumor that the Croats had
>magic armor.  When he went to check it out, it turned out to be a
>superstition -- the Croat soldiers believed that tying cloths
>around their necks afforded them some sort of supernatural
>protection.
>
>This is where my memory fuzzes out.  I know the emissary brought
>the tradition back to France, though whether he did so as a
>military technique or because he just thought it looked cool
>escapes me at the moment.  In any case, the thing was named a
>cravat -- the French word for "Croatian" (the Croatian word for
>"Croatian" being "Hrvatski") -- and eventually people wore thinner
>ones, stopped tucking the ends inside their shirts, and started
>calling them neckties.
>
 
This leaves out the (slightly old-fasioned) English word "cravat",
 
 
 
Another Rust-Belt Yankee Exile in Charlotte!
 
Any opinions expressed are mine, not those of the Atkins Library.
 
Bruce Alan Wilson ali00baw@unccvm.uncc.edu
with is not QUITE the same as a necktie, but is obviously an inter-
mediate form.  The derevation of "cravat" from "croatian" is not
impossible.  By the way, the Spanish word for "necktie" is "la corbata."
>Hey, you wanted to know, and this is the best explanation I've
>ever heard -- if not the most factual (though I believe it is), at
>least the most interesting.  :-)
>
>
>
>
>--
>"That's 'concubines,' Baldrick ... not 'porcupines.'"
From: Andra Barrow <andra@franklin.bchs.uh.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart question
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:56:09 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <86608@ut-emx.uucp> rebecca@order.ph.utexas.edu (Rebecca McGowan)  
writes:
> Is Patrick Stewart married?  If so, to whom?  I heard a very unlikely
> rumor which I won't repeat, but I would like any reliable info.
> 
> Thanks,
> 	Rebecca

He was. For 25 years to British choereographer Sheila Faulkner. Divorced about  
two years ago. Isn't currently married or even sounding like he's thinking  
about it. Just the facts, ma'am. :)

Andra Barrow
andra@franklin.bchs.uh.edu
From: stephenw@iris.mincom.oz.au (Stephen Wales)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Sulu Re: English as Earth's standard language in the 24th Cent.?
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:28:57 GMT
Reply-To: stephenw@iris.mincom.oz.au (Stephen Wales)
Organization: Mincom, Brisbane, Australia

In article <Jan.25.15.44.23.1993.23699@gandalf.rutgers.edu> finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter) writes:
>I have no canon to back me up on this that I know of, save for novels, but
>Sulu's ancestry is mixed, mostly Japanese but also Filipino and some other
>Asian background as well.  Sulu is a Filipino name, I think there are some
>islands or a sea in that region named "Sulu".  Therefore, any Chinese or
>Japanese ancestor he may have had on Earth named Sulu in the 20th century
>must have already been of mixed heritage.  But then again, this is all
>strictly my interpretation.

Well I don't know about his ancestry, but he *is* American (or as close to 
that as the 23rd century allows).

In ST:TVH, as the are landing the bird of prey in SF, Sulu says:

"San Francisco. I was born there."

Don't know about anyone else, but that's enough for me!

Steve.
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From: mcbride@ll.mit.edu (Barbara McBride)
Subject: Re: Stuck airlock in Babel DS9
Originator: mcbride@ll.mit.edu (Barbara McBride)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 21:39:05 GMT


In article <C1IwEr.Kvp@news2.cis.umn.edu>, rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan27.163054.879@linus.mitre.org>, lkahn@mitre.org (Larry Kahn) writes:
|> |> Was there something I missed here?  Why didn't Chief O'Brien simply beam 
|> |> the stuck people out and then go back and fix the airlock at his 
|> |> convenience rather than make it a big priority?
|> 
|> Have we been shown that the Cardassian transporters are capable of
|> safe short-range transport?  (The old argument of intra-ship beaming
|> in TOS...)

	They must be able to since Quark beamed Odo over to the loading
	dock to get rid of the ship that was about to explode.

			Babs
From: bv652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ilan Uri Woll)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Star Trek info. requested.
Date: 23 Jan 1993 17:13:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bv652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ilan Uri Woll)
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I need some info for a book I'm working on.  Please help with info.

1. Did TNG ever make reference to Geordi's origins, a.k.a. homeland, where
   he's from.

2. In the 3rd season, they introduced an assistant engineer (a Hispanic
   woman who spilled coffee on Picard), what was the character's name.
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From: cbittel@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Clinton Bittel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Constitution, or Galaxy
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:56:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


      A friend of mine mentioned the other day that he seemed to think
    that the Constitution Class starship of old looked better then
    the newer Galaxy Class.  Is there anyone out there who concurs with this
    statement?  I'd probably have to agree with him.....although the newer
    design seems to have a hotrod look to it.


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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: "Lonely Among Us" (was Re: WORST EPISODE)
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:16:49 GMT

In <12538.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com> scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)  writes:
>3. "Lonely Among Us"

>    This is the ultimate in unoriginal boring What's Wrong With The Ship
>stories resulting in the discovery of yet another lonesome misunderstood
>alien intelligence.  That's all you need to know.

Nah.  It wasn't THAT bad.  And it was one of the few episodes, I thought,
which made a stab at giving Picard's character some real motivations behind
his existence.  I wish they'd stuck with the "Picard-as-explorer" concept,
rather than falling back on "Picard-as-diplomat" and "Picard wanting to be in
Starfleet for no particularly good reason", both of which have proven
tremendously tedious.

Not that "Lonely Among Us" was a GREAT episode, but I certainly wouldn't put
it on the ten worst list!

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI

    "What about you, Captain?" Krill asked.  "Do you seek death, or do you
run away from it?
    "Neither," Kiroth answered.  "Death seeks me.  It will find me in time.  
To run is simply a waste of energy.  To embrace death is sheer madness.  I 
await death.  When it comes, I will be ready."
    "To fight, or to flee?"
    Kiroth looked at his XO with barely contained horror.  "To die."
		- "Escape From The Holdfast", by Jim Hart; Captain's Log #8