HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Subject: Re: More Font Installation Problems (SUMMARY)
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:54:58 GMT

Stefano Pagiola writes

> Once again, let me express my opinion that a 4-step procedure using
> obscure command-line commands is most definitely NOT the NeXTSTEP
> way of doing things.  I can just see the Apple ads from here:


> Installing fonts:

> The EASY way (simple drag operation)...
> and the NeXT way (drag font in folder, start terminal,
> execute obscure Unix commands)

Ah, but if you buy NeXT Type 1 fonts through RightBrain, it *is*
a drag-and-drop operation...

(The '.font' folder strucure was designed in order to make this
possible.)

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1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
Mountain View, CA 94039-7900             the opinions of my employer.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: roettig@ifi.unizh.ch (Thomas Roettig)
Subject: Re: 24 Hour Clock
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:35:41 GMT

In article <1d9e3pINNe88@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>  
snyderre@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Robert E. Snyder) writes:
> Howdy, a while back, there was a brief discussion about changing your  
> clock to 24 hour time.  I missed what the command was, and would  
> appreciate it if someone could repeat what the command was.  Thanks a  
> lot!!! E-mail would be fine.
>  
> Rob.
> 
> --
> !--------------------------------------------------!
> !Rob Snyder.         /\/e><T Mail gladly accepted  ! 
> !       snyderre@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu          !
> !              (812)877-8721                       !
> !--------------------------------------------------!

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Preferences 24HourClock yes

Try them also:
loginwindow MovementRate 0.0333
loginwindow HostName localhost
loginwindow MoveWhenIdle YES
loginwindow MovementScale 5
loginwindow MovementTimeout 5
loginwindow TimeToDim 2040


Gruss 
Tom
_____________________________________
Thomas Roettig
thomas@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch
From: zazula@pri.com (Ralph Zazula)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: VirtSpace v2.6 is now available
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:43:25 GMT
Reply-To: zazula@pri.com
Distribution: world,local

In article <1992Nov9.224941.25909@news.media.mit.edu>  writes:
> In article <BxEyq6.G7p@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B.  
> Nicholson-Owens) writes:
> >  However, I think the use of the term is not to imply that Pinnacle  
> > Research came out with the idea and their product is the first to use it  
> on any  
> > platform, but instead to say that no other product on the NeXT has used  
> it, and  
> > therefore, VirtSpace v2.6 is the first to do so.
> > -- 
> > -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
> > -- NeXTmail welcome
> 
> well that is not true either,  ScreenScape has this functionality
> for the NextDimension before VirtSpace existed...
> 
> So it is just marketting hype...
> 
Actually, I was referring to the programming of Dave Koski and Garrick  
Toubassi.  These guys are *good* and VirtSpace really shows it.  The  
auto-scrolling feature is incredibly slick.  No, it isn't a new idea but it  
showed some really creative thinking in the way they pulled it off.

So, in summary - Dave and Garrick, good.  VirtSpace, cool.  Auto-Scrolling,  
slick.  VirtSpace3.0, coming soon.........

Ralph
---
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Pinnacle Research, Inc.
zazula@pri.com (NeXT Mail)
(602)529-1135
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: dean@thrall.com (Dean Johnson)
Subject: What has happened to NeXTOnCampus?
Reply-To: dean@thrall.com
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:33:41 GMT


Subject pretty much says it all. I just received my copy of the NeXT  
Educational CD-ROM and it came with an old NeXTOnCampus (spring '91).
Anybody know what has happened.

Thanks,

Dean

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      NeXTmail Please            |         More computer stuff!           
                                 |
     dean@thrall.com             |               - My wife
                                 |
From: Alex Raftis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: IconBuilder
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:28:31 GMT
Reply-To: alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo


 writes
>
>In article <1992Oct30.023933.29607@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>,  
coco@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (felix.lugo) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct29.231421.2656@hot.com> Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes:
>>| In article <1992Oct27.164010.9568@wuecl.wustl.edu> brian@wucs1.wustl.edu  
>>| (Brian) writes:
>>| >I am extremely disappointed with IconBuilder.
>>| 
>>| Ditto.
>>| 
>>| Robert La Ferla
>>
>>	Why don't you guys use the 2.1 Icon.app demo.  I've been using it
>>(and Scene) for several weeks now and it's as BAD in 3.0 as it was in
>>2.1, but it's not any worse!!!!
>
>On my machine, they're both rendered useless.  Scene dies whenever I try
>to load an image and Icon barfs when I try to save.  Figures.
>

Just for something on the bright side, I did manage to find a feature of
IconBuilder that I found really useful. If you select the Document Layout
option you can specifiy what formats a picture will be in. So, you can 
make a file 2 bit and 12 bit. It has a pop-up menu in the bottom right of
the image window for selecting which one you're currently editing. This
is really useful for editing icons for color apps that you'd like to 
also look good in gray scale, since you're app will automatically pick
the correct image to display depending on the output device availble.

Alex
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch)
Subject: Re: adding file suffix
Organization: P & L Systems
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:27:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.175558.3483@macadam.com> hfp@macadam.com (Hal  
Fox-Palmer) writes:
> I just transfered about 200 Mac tiff files from a Mac HD to my NeXT HD.
> Of course they show up just like text files which I just add the .tiff  
> suffix and everthing is fine. But I don't want to change them all by  
hand  
> so the QUESTION is;  is there a neat UNIX thing that will allow me to  
> batch them all with the .tiff suffix ??

foreach file (*)
mv $file $file.tiff
end

in a Terminal window.  Change the (*) thing to match all of your files; or  
write a Terminal Service to do it.

Paul
-- 
Paul Lynch
P & L Systems                   (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk
Tel: (0494)671501                      paull@cix.compulink.co.uk
Fax: (0494)680228                       76711.451@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: Password file
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:14:08 GMT

jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:

>Douglas Floyd writes
>> Is the NeXT Password file shadowed, or can anybody who logs on/ftps/
>> telnets onto your system obtain the password file so they can
>> run crack on it and find more ways to break in?

>The NeXT password file is not shadowed accessible without even having an  
>account on the system.  You can do remote nidumps of someone else's password  
>file.  Unfortunately making one's password information secure seems to be hard  
>(if not impossible) without changing a MAJOR portion of the operating system  
>(or at least this is what I was told by people on comp.sys.next.* when I asked  
>a similar question).

Not exactly right.  If you set the trusted_networks property in your
root level of netinfo (or whatever level you want to protect), you
can allow queries to only come from specific subnets.  That is
pretty good security, I think. (at least from outside people)

However, Netinfo does not provide shadowing, and anyone who has a
user account can get a copy of the password file and running nidump
or a getpwent() call (if you have disabled nidump!)

>Secure passwords that crack cannot decipher seem to be the best protection  
>against one's net-connected NeXT being broken into.

Always true.
-- 
David Lemson                                                (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                  BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
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From: rolfe@ldp.com (Rolfe Tessem)
Subject: Re: Does AppleTalk DO anything?
Reply-To: rolfe@ldp.com
Organization: Lucky Duck Productions
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:07:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.191631.10614@adobe.com> byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)  
writes:
> I wrote:
> 
> > AppleTalk seems to work fine for me.  Adobe has a complex network
> > of Macs, with many zones, and I can navigate through them all with
> > no problem.
> 
> I'm sorry, I'm still on PR2.  It may actually be broken in 3.0
> release.  Anybody have a 3.0 working on a Phase 2 AppleTalk network?

It works for me in the final release, but we have a simple network with only  
one ethernet zone and one localtalk zone.  Personally, I think the most  
useful thing it does is allow you to pick a Localtalk-connected printer -- I  
didn't even realize that this feature was included until someone else on the  
net pointed it out.  Out net is fully Phase 2 however.

Rolfe

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rolfe@ldp.com				New York City
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: droege@infko.uni-koblenz.de (Detlev Droege)
Subject: Re: multiple host renderman rendering?
Organization: Universitaet Koblenz (FB Informatik)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 09:24:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.145301.6143@stone.com> andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone)  
writes:
> In article <1992Nov4.065228.13194@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
> phayes@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick W Hayes) writes:
> > 
> > How does the multiple host rendering work in 3.0? All I ever get in
> > the render panel is "localhost." Is there a "render-host manager" or  
> something?
> > Do I make some netinfo entry? I couldn't find the docs on this, a  
> pointer
> > to the right manual is all I should need, but then, digital lib. came up
> > with nothing.
> > 
> 
> Here's how to publish other rendering hosts: [There may be a better way,  
> if so, speak up! This was all gleaned by trial and error]:

Why don't you take the easy way ? There's a RenderManager.app in 
/NextDeveloper/Demos. Use as follows:

- login at the host you want to make a render host
- start up RenderManager, a list with all currently known servers appears
- 'localhost' should be selected, now click on 'Configure' button
- click on 'Public' in Configure Server panel
- click on 'Where' if you want to change the NetInfo domain to be served
  (warning: bug in that selection panel, cancel doesn't work, choose right one)
- change 'Note' field if desired

In short: it's straight forward, similar to printer management

	Detlev
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Universitaet Koblenz,                  |       (NeXTmail ok)
Institut fuer Informatik               | Voice: +49 261 9119-421
Rheinau 3-4, D-5400 Koblenz, Germany   | Fax:   +49 261 9119-499
From: songer@lexmark.com (Christopher Songer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: New RISC chip?
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:00:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: lexmark.1992Nov06.150042.170636
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lexington, KY
X-Disclaimer: These views are the poster's and not necessarily those of Lexmark

swiet@syzygy.cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki) writes:
> [ ... ]
>the IMS3250 which is supposed to run at 100 Mhz, 90 Mips,
>and be able to emulate both a 486@25Mhz and a 68040@30Mhz.  Here's the
>kicker: it's supposed to cost between $50 and $60 in production quantities.
>Wonder what effect this'll have on the industry?  
>

More costly memory subsystems :) After all, imagine the "going to memory"
penalty you'll pay at 100MHz. Better have a big cache. I can't wait to
see how DEC lays out the memory for its Alpha boards. A 200MHz processor
is going to have a voracious data and instruction appetite.

-Chris
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: g3steen@student.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen)
Subject: GIF files
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:57:18 GMT

    Does anyone know how to transform IBM .GIF files to a format that can 
be viewed on the NeXT?

g3steen@student.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: Jeff Adams
Subject: Re: Kodak Photo CD
Reply-To: jeffa@wri.com
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:19:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.173220.26980@news.media.mit.edu> wave@waits.media.mit.edu  
(Michael B. Johnson) writes:

>... between no real Wacom support and no easy way to import images  
> from PhotoCD, a NeXT running Appsoft Image is not looking as nice an  
> alternative to a souped up Quadra running Fractal Paint and PhotoShop.  I'm  
> bummin', because the combination of a color NeXT with a Wacom tablet...had me 
> salivating, but real reality (no pressure support in Image and  
> no Photo CD support) is beginning to dawn...
> 

Could you explain what you mean by no real Wacom tablet support??  Wacom  
tablets worked with my NeXTstation color in NeXTSTEP 2.1 and now in NeXTSTEP  
3.0 pressure sensitivity is supported AND there is a demo app to show you how  
to make use of this great feature.  Now it is simply up to third party apps to  
support this.

--------------------------------
Jeff Adams
jeffa@wri.com    
Wolfram Research Inc.
--------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket)
Subject: Re: FAX modems (again!) - Turbo Modem
Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 local 1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:04:58 GMT

Alexander Hinds (hinds@camis.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: I purchased a really cheap 14.4 .42bis modem at Fry's the other day.  It claims to have to GroupIII FAX compatability, but when I tried it with NeXT's classII driver or Interfax driver (really the same, I realize) I get the following error:
: 
: 	!! No such device: !! Wakeup Pipe
: 	(on the console)
: 
: I'm really confused.  Does NeXT's driver not support all classII devices (and by extension classIII drivers)?  have I done something wrong?  I checked
: /usr/lib/NextPrinter and sure enough the driver is there...

Group III is the spec for how the image bits are transmitted between two
fax machines/modems. Class 2 is the spec for how the computer talks to
the modem (think of "AT" command set). They are specs that cover
two separate portions of the problem. Your modem probably supports the
class 1 interface spec and, therefore, can't be used with the NeXT.

Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
From: grant@Manticore.COM (Grant J. Munsey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Converting .rtfd directorys to Postscript in batch mode
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:10:35 GMT
Reply-To: grant@Manticore.COM

I need to print lots of .rtfd directories and .rtf files in a batch to do
proofs for a document I'm working on. Is there a way to convert these to
Postscript without having to open up Edit for each directory/file. I'm
looking for something like enscript.
----
Grant Munsey, Mainticore, Inc. (408)252-1135
grant@Manticore.COM,  uunet!ub-gate!gouche!grant   NeXTMail ok.
From: fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Graduate Schools
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:56:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.1dp45oINNfaa
Reply-To: fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-12.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Nov8.213947.1013@frogware.com> root  
@frogware.com(Operator) writes:
> I'm currently exploring my options. I'd prefer to attend a school with  
at least  
> some NeXT presence, any recommendations??
> 
> ben

	At Rose-Hulman we have on the order of 200 NeXT machines spread  
around campus (a five minute walk from end to end).

--
David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

"Don't ever put your brain on a runaway train 'cause it won't be coming  
back!" 
- Mad At The World.
From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Some .score files available.
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:29:51 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


I've made some of my Bach 2-part inventions available for anon ftp from  
fermat.dartmouth.edu in /pub/Scores.  I hope to have all 15 within a week.   
Nothing particularly artistic about them yet, but they sound very good.

Also, in /pub/Images/POV/Ray-1120x832 are some of the POV samples done in  
1120x832 pixels, the size of my NeXT monitor.  These make good background  
images...

Let me know if you like...

Michael Glenn
fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (NeXTMail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gemoe@proximus.north.de (Gerhard Moeller)
Subject: Re: IncompleteGuide.hqx
Organization: Gerhard Moeller, German NeXT User Group, Oldenburg.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:55:06 GMT

I went to a mac and "dehqxed" the incomplete guide.

Forget it. It's in "MS Word" format. There is no "Word" for the NeXT, is it?
(I know that there is Executor, but...)

:(	Gerhard.

In article <Bwx5qD.8Az@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice  
Shihadi) writes:
> The .hqx extension is a Mac file compressed using Binhex4 in order
> to get across the internet.  I'd sure like to get hold of Binhex4
> but it too has a .hqx extension (such silliness).  Does anyone
> know how to get Binhex4 without the .hqx extension?  
> 
> maurices
> 
> --common Mac people, how about a little help--


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon)
Subject: Make: Cannot load cc.  Stop.
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:03:29 GMT

I'm tryin to make some files using Terminal.  I get the following :
localhost:5# cd /tmp/O_more3_0Views/more3.0Views/Alarm

localhost:6# make

make AlarmView.BackO

cc -O -g -Wall -c AlarmView.m -o AlarmView.o

Make: Cannot load cc.  Stop.

*** Exit 1

Stop.

*** Exit 1

Stop.

How do I fix this and what does it mean?  Please respond via email:
dleon@seas.smu.edu
From: ttn@cs.tut.fi (Tero Nieminen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: adding file suffix
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:34:50
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kivikkorastas.cs.tut.fi
In-reply-to: David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org's message of Sun, 08 Nov 1992 22:53:26 -0500

In article <721285254.AA00000@blkcat.UUCP> David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky) writes:

     HF> I just transfered about 200 Mac tiff files from a Mac HD to my NeXT
     HF> HD. Of course they show up just like text files which I just add the
     HF> .tiff suffix and everthing is fine. But I don't want to change them
     HF> all by hand so the QUESTION is;  is there a neat UNIX thing that will
     HF> allow me to batch them all with the .tiff suffix ??

   How about moving them all into a single sub-directory, opening a terminal shell,
   moving to the aforementioned directory, and using a command to the effect of "mv
   * *.tiff"

In case someone didn't know how to do that.

First go to the directory where the files you want to rename are using
the cd command. Then write the following three lines ("mynext %1" is the
prompt, like the "?" in the two other lines): 

mynext %1 foreach f (*)
? mv $f $f.tiff
? end
mynext %2 

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         Tero Nieminen                      DANGER!
         ttn@cs.tut.fi                   Computer Bytes!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.cd-rom
From: mdixon@parc.xerox.com (Mike Dixon)
Subject: Re: Kodak Photo CD
Organization: Xerox PARC
Date:  8 Nov 92 22:46:50 GMT


yes, the standard NeXT cd-rom drive that they've been shipping for months
reads the first session of a photoCD.  finding software to interpret the
file formats may be a problem, however.
                                             .mike.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: kamis@bogey.itd.nrl.navy.mil (George Kamis)
Subject: Ejecting Mac Disks
Keywords: Macintosh Floppy
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:12:53 GMT



Finally, with Next Step 3.0, I can read and write to Macintosh formatted  
floppy disks.  However, I cannot eject the disk from the Workspace unless  
I logout.  The Workspace/Disk/Eject command does not work since it remains  
inactive when a Mac disk is inserted.  Dumping the disk into the Recycler  
doesn't work either.  Has anyone else experienced the same problem or is  
there some trick to ejecting Mac floppies?

---
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kamis@bogey.itd.nrl.navy.mil		Information Technology Division
					
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford)
Subject: Re: Alarm Clock?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:18:30 GMT

mmeltzer@wam.umd.edu writes
> 
> Is there a program for the NeXTs that works like a timer, in
> that, I want an alarm to go off in 10 minutes; when the time
> elapses, some sort of message appears on the screen telling me
> so.
> 

Try leave.  It's on your system.

There is also remind, a replacement for calendar.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: asd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Doug McClure)
Subject: Re: VirtSpace v2.6 is now available
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:18:17 GMT

In <1992Nov9.224941.25909@news.media.mit.edu> lacsap@plethora.media.mit.edu (Pascal Chesnais) writes:

>In article <BxEyq6.G7p@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B.  
>Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>>  However, I think the use of the term is not to imply that Pinnacle  
>> Research came out with the idea and their product is the first to use it  
>on any  
>> platform, but instead to say that no other product on the NeXT has used  
>it, and  
>> therefore, VirtSpace v2.6 is the first to do so.
>> -- 
>> -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
>> -- NeXTmail welcome

>well that is not true either,  ScreenScape has this functionality
>for the NextDimension before VirtSpace existed...

>So it is just marketting hype...

Shesh, so friggen technical.  How about someone disprove this then:
Virtspace was the first available virtual window manager with
auto-scrolling available for ALL NeXT's.  Not just for a very small
subset of them.  I never even *heard* of ScreenScape before 3.0 rolled
out, and I can't use it anyways.  And I sure didn't see anybody
telling folks to use ScreenScape to do this kinda thing when VirtSpace
came out.

So enough harping.  Yes it isn't a new idea, yes it's 'innovativeness'
is subject to debate.  If you want to get technical, I doubt you will
come up with an 'innovative' idea this year that someone hasn't
thought up before you.  But I'll bet you come up with plenty
'innovative' ideas that most no one has heard before.  I won't tell
anybody they aren't so 'innovative'. :)

-dsm