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From:         Waldo Tobler <tobler@POLLUX.GEOG.UCSB.EDU>
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To: gis-l@ubvm.cc.b
Subject: sphere

Re points on a sphere:
	Try:
	    G. Giacaglia & C. Lundqvist, 1972, Sampling Functions for
            Geophysics, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Special
            Report No. 344, Cambridge MA (USA).

	    D. White, J. Kimerling, W. Overston, 1992, Cartographic and
            Geometric Components of a Global Sampling Design for Environmental
            Monitoring, Cartography & GIS, 19(1):5-22

	    W.Tobler & Z. Chen, 1986, A Quadtree for Global Information
            Storage, Geographical Analysis, 18(4):360-371.

The last reference demonstrates the use of authalic latitude to partition
the sphere into quadrilaterals of equal area, and put its surface into a
unit square - within which random points can be placed.

tobler@pollux.geog.ucsb.edu.us
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From:         Steve Smyth <stevesmy@MICROSOFT.COM>
Subject:      FW: Advice needed: Irregular survey (T&R) -->Lat Long

David,

It was actually a different Steve that wrote Zycor's PLS->geographic
converter :-).
Bob Brown (rfb@zycor.lgc.com or 512-282-6699)  is probably the best
person to contact.

...steve smyth
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From: David Mark  <netmail!dmark@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
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Subject: Re: Advice needed: Irregular survey (T&R) -->Lat Long
Date: 01 September 1992 21:39

In article <1992Sep1.165919.18918@ms.uky.edu> bmw@ncc.uky.edu (Brian Whiting)
writes:
>I have some x,y info which is currently in paper form and I am
>thinking of ways to get it into lat-long.  The present xy format
>is Township & Range, but irregularly surveyed.  To further
>complicate the translation process, the notation regarding location
>withing the section is not consistent.  One entry might read
>
>NE 1/4 of NW 1/4 of S3, 1200 ft. from East line and 2000 ft. from N
>line
>
>while another may reference the S and W lines.
>
>So, I want to take inconsistently described x,y info into nice
>consistent lat long.  Having only a passing acquaintance with
>GIS, I would like to hear from you experts whether this is trivial
>and easily accomplished with e.g. GRASS or will I be required to
>manually spot the locations on a map then digitize them.  Or would
>this be doable with the USGS transformation routines (the FTP address
>of which I have lost).
>
>Any help with this would be appreciated.
>

A company called ZYCOR, in Austin Texas, developed software to do this, I
believe with oil industry clients in mind.  I can't recall whether this
has been published, but if so, Steve Zoraster would probably be an author.
So you might try a literature search for Zoraster, or telephone directory
assistance for Austin.

David Mark
dmark@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu
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From:         Geoff Phelps <gphelps@SIERRA.WR.USGS.GOV>

 To Mike,  (frith@ureginal.bitnet)
    I read your message on the discussion list re: 6.0.1 failures and problems
 with arcplot
symbolsets.  I have recently been experiencing similar problems.  Here are some
 things you
might try, if you haven't already.
  Try experimenting with the markerscale command in arcplot.  This will not
 solve the problem
of markers plotting the wrong size, but it may be a temporary work-around.
  You might try making an interactive map composition so you can view the
 results of your
plot on screen, and then direct the composition to a 1040 file, using the MAP
 command.
If nothing else you can interactively delete the map element and try other
 combinations until
it plots the size you want.  I have spoken with ESRI about the size of the
 markers and annotation
being a problem, and it is a software bug that is supposed to be fixed in
 ARC.1.Some of these problems are
apparently related to the way ARC/INFO writes output to specific plotters, so
 that the causes of the problem are
multiple and therefore difficult to track down.  Similar problems happen with
 text size and spacing, again
supposedly fixed in ARC.1.

  The symbol editors are perishingly slow.  If you want to change your
 symbolsets in INFO, you
can follow the directions on page 3-17 of Map Display and Query.  I had problems
 with this method,
however.  I was unable to copy a single symbolset info template.  I had to copy
 them all into my
info directory.  Secondly, there is a problem with the interpretation of
 markersets, especially
markersets left over from ARC50.  The new symbol templates do not copy the font
 and pattern numbers
correctly for any symbolset that uses a font pattern.  Furthermore, any changes
 made on these numbers
in INFO are not reflected in the symbolset unless you save in INFO using the
 INIT option.
   The other way to alter fonts and patterns is
interactively, either using the menu editing system (very slow) or at the
 command line (fast, but you
cannot view your results).  ESRI has informed me these problems are fixed in
 ARC6.1.  But then again...
  Good luck!
-Geoff
gphelps@sierra.wr.usgs.gov
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From: axing@geog.utoronto.ca (A-xing Zhu)
Subject: Re: Sun Arc/Info..PC
Organization: University of Toronto Department of Geography
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:31:41 GMT

KHALFALL@TNEARN.BITNET writes:

>   We have Arc/INfo version 6 installed on Sun Sparc. We would like to know
> the possibility to run ARC/INFO and display graphics on a PC486. The Arc/Info
> resides physically on the SPARC..

> Thank you for your help
> Majed Khalfallah
> e-mail: khalfallah@TNEARN.bitnet

I suppose Arc/Info version 6 runs under X-windows.  In this case, make the
PC486 as an X-terminal and set DISPLAY environmental variable to the PC486.


A-Xing Zhu
Univ. of Toronto
axing@esker.geog.utoronto.ca
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:07:34 EDT
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From:         Rob Smyser <smyser@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Arc, X, and emulators (was Sun Arc/Info..PC)
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              01 Sep 92 08:32:00 +0000. <9209010748.AA03030@Athena.MIT.EDU>

I'm now sorry I came down so hard on Barry from ESRI.  I wish someone would feel
responsible for telling the stories of what does work.  It is too bad that we
are all turning into systems integrators on our own because all the individual
companies point the finger to someone else -- "not my problem, we just write
Arc", "not our problem, we just write X".

ESRI has written many System Dependencies manuals for the RT, for the
Decstation, probably for the Sun....  Here they tell the specific stores of what
does and does not work.  What is so anti-social about having the same sort of
guide for PC and Mac X servers?  Then we don't all have to spend a month trying
all the combinations to discover that we need more RAM or that only rooted color
windows work.

That's what I was asking for.  Sorry if my latent irritation at "we just
make products, you put 'em together" vendor non-support came through too
 clearly.

Rob Smyser
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From: C.V.Copas@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Route planning 
Reply-To: C.V.Copas@lut.ac.uk (Conn Copas)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 16:27:24 GMT

We are about to develop a route planning application here and I would
appreciate some information : (a) Articles which describe the conventional
wisdom about this type of task; in particular, the stages involved (b) In the
case of anybody who has a GIS customised for this type of task, a description
of the front end/menu structure would be gratefully appreciated, provided this
information is not regarded as proprietary. We will probably be concentrating
upon the generation of cost surfaces; no explicit facilities for network
analysis. Thanks in advance.
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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 12:06:08 MAL
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From:         "M.GHAZALI" <U-GHAZ@UTMJB.BITNET>
Subject:      email address of System 9 ?

Can anyone give me the email address of SYSTEM 9 (USA)?

Thanks in advance for the information.

Mohamad Ghazali Hashim
Center for Geographics Information & Analysis
Faculty of Surveying
University Technology of Malaysia.

'life in this world is just like a dream...'
From: rowan@ocean.rutgers.edu (Andy Rowan)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Sun Arc/Info..PC
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:18:12 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.153141.8628@geog.utoronto.ca> axing@geog.utoronto.ca (A-xing Zhu) writes:
>>KHALFALL@TNEARN.BITNET writes:
>>
>>>   We have Arc/INfo version 6 installed on Sun Sparc. We would like to know
>>> the possibility to run ARC/INFO and display graphics on a PC486. The Arc/Info
>>> resides physically on the SPARC..
>>
>>> Thank you for your help
>>> Majed Khalfallah
>>> e-mail: khalfallah@TNEARN.bitnet
>>
>>I suppose Arc/Info version 6 runs under X-windows.  In this case, make the
>>PC486 as an X-terminal and set DISPLAY environmental variable to the PC486.
>>

>Hmmm. We are running 6.0 under Openwindows. With only minor problems
>here and there. I have talked to ESRI technical support and they
>discourage the use of X-windows as the interface of choice. Now
>I don't know if 1) They are pushing SUN products because they have 
>a vested interest in doing so, or 2) Their product is not totally
>standardized to X11 (which wouldn't suprise me). Has anyone
>out there had any experience (outside of ESRI) in using X-WIndows
>with 6.0???

>anne
>>
>>A-Xing Zhu
>>Univ. of Toronto
>>axing@esker.geog.utoronto.ca

--------------------------------------

Yes.  We run Suns, using both OpenWindows and X11(R5).
We have tried arc/info on both, and both work about the same.
(In fact, we also sometimes use the OW tools on top of the X11 window manager --things like the mailtool and text editor.  These also work fine.)

As far as displaying on a PC, we are about to tackle this too.  Seems 
Quarterdeck has a new product out called Desqview/X that implements X on
top of DOS.  It allows you to do all those nice X things like running on
one machine and displaying on another, including machines of different
OS's/architectures.  So executing arc/info on a Sun and displaying on the
PC should be no problem.

The only drawback is that Desqview/X's support for TCP/IP network software
(which comes as an add-on package for more $) is currently limited to 
Novell's LAN Workplace and FTP Software's TCP/IP product.  We use Sun's
PC-NFS (don't get me started), which they don't yet support.  BUT:
the pc-nfs version is in beta testing, and Quarterdeck is inviting people
to become beta testers (notice was posted in comp.os.msdos.desqview).
Who knows when the real release will be, but it sounds like a pretty hot
product.  Also does pre-emptive multitasking, AND you can run programs
that are written for Windows 3 (and if you want, display them on other
X machines).

 
Andy Rowan
Cook College Remote Sensing Center
Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ
rowan@ocean.rutgers.edu
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From: ztjm05@hou.amoco.com (Thomas Misek)
Subject: Re: unrecognized tape format
Reply-To: ztjm05@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:53:53 GMT

In article 14775@borg.cs.unc.edu, hillc@virgo.cs.unc.edu (Chip Hill) writes:

>I have a couple of old (1984) 9-track tapes that are supposed to contain
>mapping data, probably from an intergraph system.  I have tried to read
>them on a unix system, but have only been able to get the following header:
>
>================================================================================
>VOL1SIF                              D%B44310010091                            3
>HDR1SOH29.ALL        SIF   00010001000100 84004 84004 000000DECRSTS/E
>HDR2U0206402064                     M             00
>================================================================================
>Note: ='s not part of header data read.
>
>Does anyone out there recognize this?  Does anyone know what OS was used by
>intergraph systems of that era (1984).  Any help or pointers to help would
>be greatly appreciated!
>  -Chip Hill


>In reply to article ,   Peter Halls  writes:

>Chip,
>The clue is in the Operating Field ID field of the HDR1 record of your
>labelled tape (and I think you are lucky to have a labelled tape of that
>vintage ...)
>
>The OS is RSTS/E, a DEC PDP-11 operating system.
>
>The tape label sequence is 'standard', so a modern OS 'should' be able to
>handle it ...
>
>
I would like to add that the "SIF" in the volser and header probably refers to Intergraph's	
Standard Interchange Format.  If this is true,  you will have to convert from SIF to the 
design file format in order to view the files.

Good luck

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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:12:35 -0400
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From:         "Theodore B. Samsel" <tbsamsel@DG11SVARMD.ER.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      Reply to Tom Edwards comment
X-To:         gis-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

Tom (and GISsers in general):
  This is not the case where I am now but when you ask the rhetorical
question "does this audience want to handle the vast quantity of info-
ormation coming their way?" I recall conversations with colleagues in
Texas and Illinois where the GISser is aware of the volume of info but
"management" is not. It seems that they only want "pertinent" data or
data that will "solve" the problem in the short term (i.e. the contract).
  Extraneous data is NOT wanted, if it does not provide a quick-and-dirty
short term solution.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`~~~~
Ted Samsel.......TBSAMSEL@QVARSA.ER.USGS.GOV..(use this!)
From: holld@essex.ac.uk (D.A. Holland)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: points on a sphere
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:50:45 GMT
Reply-To: holld@essex.ac.uk (D.A. Holland)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

I am looking for a method of distributing points at (approximately?)
equally-spaced intervals on the surface of a sphere. Does anyone
know of any references to algorithms or descriptions of procedures
which will do this? Each point will actually represent an area of the
globe, associated with a climatic variable. I know I can project the
data onto an equal-area or equi-distant projection, but I would like
to work directly on the spherical coordinates. 

Thanks for any help,
DAH.


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From:         KHALFALL@TNEARN.BITNET
Subject:      Multiple platforms for Arc/Info ????

Hello,

        I am working on a big project that consists of several applications,
all needing ARC/INFO (written in AML or some other language).
In the future, these applications would be ported to other platforms
(still, supported by ARC/INFO).
I want to know if, knowing the maximal number of workstations that will be
installed, I can have **one** licence for all the workstations, even if
the initial platform and the future platform are not from the same
manufacturer (ie. Sun and HP or even DecStation) and what are the maximum
number of of licences for one work station.
The answer to this question is very important for us. If the answer is
positive, would you mind giving me at least a range of the pricing of such
a licence.

Thank you,

                Faithfully yours Majed Khalfallah

By the way, can we have a standalone application (independant from ARC/INFO)
by using an object code licence and compile it on other machines

EMAIL : KHALFALLAH@TNEARN.BITNET
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From:         E7G4HEM@TOWSONVX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: GIS Software running on Mac PowerBook

Hi,
  I saw a very nice GIS demoed at the ISPRS meeting on a Mac Powerbook.
It was done by Dr. R.J. (Bob) Williams of DSTO Australia, Information
Technology Division, PO Box 1600, Salisbury, South Australia 5108,
Australia. Fax (08) 259-5980, Telegram DSTO Salisbury, Telex 82799,
and Telephone (08) 259-5555.  Sorry, no e-mail!
  Don Hemenway, ASPRS
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From:         JAC8@LEICESTER.AC.UK
Subject:      RE: Geologic profile software
X-To:         GIS-L <GIS-L@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>

The CAVES project software may still be available. Try writing to
Dr M A Paul,Dept of Civil Engineering, Heriot-Watt University,
Edinburgh, Eh14 4AS
From: dmark@acsu.buffalo.edu (David Mark)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: help wanted with details of a system described by Cox, Aldred, & Rhind
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:58:25 GMT
Organization: UB


I have a question about some items mentioned in a 1980 paper:

Cox, N. J., Aldred, B. K., and Rhind, D. W., 1980.  A relational data base
   system and a proposal for a geographical data type.  Geo-Processing, v. 1,
   pp. 217-229.

My question regards some of the spatio-relational operations in Table 2 on
page 224.  There are four operations that produce a Boolean result, and
that take any of points, lines, or areas (regions) as operands:

Exclusivity
Negation of above
Sharing
Negation of above

They note that the first two are asymmetric, but the last two are symmetric.

Does anyone out there know what the formal definitions of these relations
are in the IMPS system described my Cox et al., especially when one 
object is a line and the other is an area?  If not,
does anyone know of a more detailed description of 'IMPS'?  Or lastly, are
any of the authors currently on email, now that David Rhind has moved off to
a government posting.

Thanks for any help in tracking this down.

David Mark
dmark@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu
From: ztjm05@hou.amoco.com (Thomas Misek)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re:      Geologic profile software
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:32:00 GMT
Reply-To: ztjm05@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

May I suggest GEOLOG.  We use this and it produces a servicable cross-section.

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From:         spathira@ELLI.UNE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Georeferencing - IDRISI 4.0
X-To:         gis-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

I imported scanned aerial photograph as a tiff file to IDRISI and
attempted to register the image with TM file using RESAMPLE module.
I could not get the images to register properly. If you have any experience
or suggestions I appreciate if you could let me know.
Also, I would like to know whether there are any software programmes that
can be used to produce vector files from tiff images.

Thanks in advance.

Sumith Pathirana
Centre for Coastal Management
University of New England - Northern Rivers.
From: panda@syrinx.umd.edu (Lisa Nyman)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: things I (maybe) should know
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:11:10 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

>In article <GIS-L%92090311164706@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> DHDAD@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA (David_Douglas) writes:
>>It was nice to get the FAQ and find the wonderful goodies available.

Thanks!

>>Do other people on GIS-L think that this is the sort of thing we should
>>use the network for? I know the people making this available meant well.
>>However, at the very least I think we should filter this sort of thing
>>from our FAQ.  If it IS listed in a FAQ file, thus sounds like just
>>EVERYONE should have, or already has it, then I would like it to be accompanied
>
I suppose this is correct, though even with my high-speed modem I'd be
ftp-ing all week to varify information.  Actually, I spent *a lot*
of time at just editing Bill's original source list (It's all HIS fault!! :))

In article <Bu0M5t.Dn2@acsu.buffalo.edu> dmark@acsu.buffalo.edu (David Mark) writes:
>And, by the way, I think we all owe a round of applause to Lisa Nyman and 
>Virgil Sealy for doinf all the work to put this FAQ, version 1.1, together.
>
>   (APPLAUSE!)
>
*taking bows*  Thanks for your support!  (BTW, how about that What is GIS
answer? :)

>I guess we should add "What do those files ending in .Z mean?" to the next 
>version of the FAQ...
 
Check one of the UNIX group FAQs.

-- 
Lisa Wolfisch Nyman         "Life is too short to wear ugly underwear."
panda@syrinx.umd.edu                    
Just remember, geographers do it in places unknown to the general public.
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From: chess@m1-252-1.mit.edu (Patrick G Kinnicutt)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Geologic profile software
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:25:27 GMT
Organization: /mit/chess/.organization


>> Does anyone out there in net land know of good software for making
>> Geological profiles, crossections, fence diagrams, etc. ?
>> I'm  interested in products that run on either PC's or
>> unix workstations.

In the PC and Mac worlds, the software from RockWare appears to do what
you are looking for.  In the UNIX world, commercially SitePlanner,
developed by ConSolve, does what you are looking for and curently runs
on the SUN platform.  Academically, a program called Nomad developed
here at MIT runs on the SUN, VAX and soon the DECstation platforms, can
do geological profiles, crossections and wire-mesh diagrams, and more
functionality is currently being added to this prototype system.  Let me
know if you would like more info on any of these applications.

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chess@athena.mit.edu				 (617) 253-3883(o)
Department of Civil Engineering
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

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