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From: ffeng@cs.tamu.edu (Fang Feng)
Subject: American Politicians
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:25:34 GMT

I don't know how many people watched TV when Bush and Quale
gave their acceptance speech on the last day of Republican
convention. I almost watched the whole evening. I realized
that American politicians are so ugly; they cursed their
opponents and didn't have many ideas themselves. 

We often blame some officials in our country. I thought
the leaders in this nation don't have much intelligence
either. If they were China's leaders, they would have done
nothing. 

They kept saying their country is the greatest nation in the
world, but we need to ask how much they contributed to the
greatness.

Fang Feng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu)
Subject: Re: [News] PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Students
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:46:37 GMT

In article <BtoMK1.4KK@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>WITHOUT the lobby-for/passage-of Protection Bills by CSS in the U.S.A., 
>Germany, Japan and Australia, and without the "Lenincy Program" offered to 
>CSS by Canadian government????  
>

I believe that these loosened policies on overseas students serves
the same purpose which is to block the passage of the protection
bill. You will not be surprised to see these policies will be changed
anytime in the future.

>And, it's really amazing to see some CSS raising their right hands to grab
>green card, and raising their left hands to ass kiss CCP/support "Deng's
>reform"/paint Deng as an "innocent old man" in June 4th Beijing Massacre.
>

My understanding is, for these people, after they get green cards,
they frequently feel very, very guilt because CCP once treated them
very well and gave them chances to go outside. For those staying
at universities after their graduation, they probably want to
seek a free trip to China and enjoy local hospitality and recognizition 
by their former colleagues during summer time. For those working for
companies, they are looking for future market places in China.
A good relationship with CCP is extremely important. For
those 1st or 2nd generation of CSS, most of them just want to
get more self satisfaction.


Z. Liu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: y0z8374@zeus.tamu.edu (ZHANG, YUEMIN)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:24:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.201305.22797@news.acns.nwu.edu>, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes...
>In article <28AUG199214433233@rigel.tamu.edu> y0z8374@rigel.tamu.edu (ZHANG,  
>YUEMIN) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug28.152736.66760@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu  
>(Edwin X. Li) writes...
>> >In article <l9q4hgINNs00@aludra.usc.edu>, zyou@aludra.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)  
>wri
>> >tes:
>> > 
>> >>
>> >>   Should Tibet gain independence in the future, Tibet will be similar to
>> >>those USSR states. But Tibet IS part  of China up to now, you should not
>> >>compare Tibet with those indepdent countries.
>> >>
>> >>   I am glad to hear that you are not promoting TI.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > 
>> >what carl trying to explain to you is that up until the end of last
>> >year, the entity called USSR does claim the sovereignty over a number
>> >of now independent states. your unable or refusal to comprehend this
>> >fact which may well happen in the future is beyond me. please go to
>> >a neurologist to check if you have a logic short circuit in your skull.
>> > 
>> 
>> Does USSR still claim the sovereignty over these states?
>> Be logical, USSR collapsed first, then 15 republics became indepandent  
>states.
>> China does not collapse, and cannot see any signal of collapse in near  
>future.
>> Therefore IT issure is irrelevent to former USSR case.
>> If IT depends on China' collapse, Please  be patient.
>> yz
> 
> 
>USSR collapsed after the three countries gained independence. 
> 
>Carl

These three countries used to be independent countries. The former USSR took 
over these countries in 1940's by using force. U. S. and other westen countries 
NEVER recognized USSR's claim the sovereignty over these three countries. Three 
countries  have maintained diplomtic relationship with U. S. since 1940's. 
There embassies in U. S. have existed for long time. But in the world no 
country recognizes Tibet as an independent country in the past or now. So Tibet 
case is irrelevent to These three countries.

yz
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Science in China 8
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:27:32 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Science in China (Part 8)

In 132 AD, Zhang Heng (a Chinese) combines a water clock with an
armillary to produce a device that, somewhat like the modern
planetarium, keeps track of where stars are expected to be in the sky.
He also invents the world's first seismograph, a device that indicates
the direction of an earthquake by dropping a ball from the mouth of a
bronze dragon  into the mouth of a bronze frog in the same year.

In 185 AD, the Chinese observe a "guest star" most likely a supernova,
in constellation Centaurus, which remains visible for 20 months.

Between 190 AD and 209 AD, Chinese mathematicians use powers of 10 to 
express numbers; Liu Hui (a Chinese mathematician) uses polygons of up
to 3072 sides to calculate Pi to 3.14159; he also develops the method of
approximation known as Horner's method, since it was rediscovered by W.
G. Horner in 1819; the Chinese invent the whippletree, a device that
allows two oxen to pull a single cart together; the Chinese develop
porcelain.

Between 260 AD and 269 AD, Ma Chun (a Chinese) builds a "south-pointing
carriage" using differential gears.

In 271 AD, the first form of a compass is probably in use for finding
south in China.
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From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: The Chinese Dream for That Small Little Thing: A Vote.
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:16:26 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <27AUG199209300434@> s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
>> 
>>And don't forget those who loudly ask you sacrifice for the common good
>>are usually not doing it themselves. 
>> 
>Was that so bad to sacrifice onceself for a common good? The spirit of
>sacrifice was not just from Communism, but also from Confucianism and 
>Christianity. I do not know about Muslim.

Yes, you bet. If someone wants to sacrifice himself, fine, I respect
his choice; but don't ask others do the same. It's a personal choice,
not yours, mine or the one who tells us what's the "common good".

>Daniel
From: zyou@sal-sun99.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Date: 25 Aug 1992 14:14:28 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun99.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug24.221908.1299@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>
>Actually, my original point is: build a strong China (agree with you) and  
>remember the bitter experience we had and NEVER oppress and prosecute other  
>peoples who are weaker than us. I know it's controversial whether Tibet is  
>really a provice of China. That's not very important. What is important is not  
>to oppress other people and deprive ther right of choices.

>Carl


   I found Carl more and more funny.

   (1) He does not believe Tibet is really part of China !
   
       Poor Carl, Pls take a look at the World Atlas. Open your eye BIG.

   (2) He thinks Han are oppressing and prosecuting Tibetan, a weaker minority.
      
       Where did you get that idea, from NBC?  That is shear fabrication.


   There shall be no question as China's sovereignty over tibet. Any 
disscusion about minority rights shall be conducted in that framework.

   If you Carl is in charge of China, you will give up all the land.
Fortunately, you are only a coward Engineer who dares not to identify 
yourself by real name on the net.



Z. You
From: Jiyue.Zhu@dartmouth.edu (Jiyue Zhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Help needed in SF.
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:40:04 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0d56@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I am moving to San Francisco around october 25 and will be working at
UCSF. I would like find a place to live temporarily while looking for a
two-bedroom appartment near UCSF.  I will appreciate if someone could
help me on this.  My e-mail address is jiyue.zhu@dartmouth.edu.  My
daytime phone # is 603-650-1905.  I am also interested in getting
information about child care in SF, since I have a three-year old son.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Re: 'Wild Swan'
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:44:44 GMT

About the author of the subject book ...

>|> 5.  She is now a lecturer in the University of London,
>|>     married to a British husband and live happily 
>|>     ever since.
>
>I'm glad to hear that one more pretty Chinese woman (she is
>quite attractive as the pictures in the book show) built her
>happy nest without destroy other people's happiness but solely
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>by her honest hard working.

I am not sure about this though it's not easy for a 38-year-old woman to 
achieve that (Hell, non of my biz, but it's already brought up on SCC so
why not say something on this for ONCE :-)

According to a friend of mine who worked with her for a while in the 
International Dept. of Xin Hua News Agency Headerquarters in Beijing,
at least one man (may be plus his family) wasn't that happy :-)

Not to mention that it's impossible that THE BOOK would make everyone
in China/abroad happy, it fails to do so on SCC already as we see :-)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bo Xiong in Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: White male/Asian female and Asian male/white female
Organization: MITRE
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:23:52 GMT

I don't like the title - "white xxxx / Asian xxxx".  Why use the word
"white"? Some of these discussions also valid for "black".  And, why use
the word "asian"?  these discusssions seems to be valid for "east asian" or
"Chinese only".  It is not true for Iranian or Arabs.

Why the number Chinese women marry with American men is much more than the
nuber of Chinese men marry with American women.  The answer is very simple.
 Most of women would like to be protected.  Unfortunately, most of Chinese
men in U.S. need proctection also. (See PROTECTION BILL in this news
network for details.)  If Chinese men can NOT protect themselves, how can
they protect other wowen??!!  What we can say about Chinese men? - another
endangeous species?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:39:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.010323.4014@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>> "westernized", have you even thought that Chinese history books are also ones  
>> of least to dependent on. You might remember that there are so many changes  
>in  
>> the Chinese history books according to the political needs.

At least, Chinese history books mention about every dam wars and most of
the reason for the war while the western history book cover up everthing
about their colonies untill recently. Look at Columbus, a private, 
praised by a US official who don't know the difference between the
"DARING" of evil and the "COURAGE" from GOD!!!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:15:37 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: "New" PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Student

It is interesting to see PRC policy makers enjoying Shang1 Han2 (sometime      s
hot sometime cold). However that makes people (home or abroad) keep
swimming suit and coat ready any time all the time ( available like CNN).

Who knows when the harricane Deng comes and goes?

Keep eyes on weather report.

X Xu
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shen Tong's arrest
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:16:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BtyL7F.9w7
Organization: Indiana University

In article <2SEP199211110559@phobos.ucc.umass.edu> s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
>
>Accoding to that article, Shen's going back hoem and being arrested
>was set up by some American PR organization in order to win the 
>Protection Bill and to embarrase the CCP. Sounds pretty fishy to
>me.
>
>What do you think?
>
>c.q. 

I think you are more thoughtful than Shen Tong and "American PR
organization". You must be a Harvard graduate, aren't you?
From: linhoo@cs.uq.oz.au (Hu Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: very happy with SCC
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:16:04 GMT
Reply-To: linhoo@cs.uq.oz.au

In <2A9C02A4.12916@orion.oac.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:


>I am very happy with the current SCC discussions for three reasons:

>  1.  more and more people hold 9201 compatible opinions on blood card bill;
>  2.  more and more people objectively talk about China;
>  3.  more and more people realize the true face of the democracy fighters.

>I think the next step is to convert the intra-Chinese conflicts into the
>GeMin(revolution) Dong(dynamic)Li(force), so that some big, healthy things
>can physically happen.

>Shannon
>-------

Then, your revolutionary aggitators may have chance to drive those 
young people inspired by the revolutionary spirit to  realise the 
lofty revolutionary ideal-- COMMUNISIM.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:20:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.214839.18126@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu  
(Chunde Shi) writes:
> In article <1992Aug26.182523.1319@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >In article <BtKLp3.Fr6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo  
Xiong)  
> >writes:
> >> In article <1992Aug25.234727.8644@ulowell.ulowell.edu> 
> >> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
> >> >In article <1992Aug25.222406.6965@ulowell.ulowell.edu> 
> >> >cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
> >> >> ...
> >> > I am too old to feel flattered for that.
> >> > ...
> >> >I do plan to go back to China, and believe it is a good choice for me,  
> >myself
> >> >too. It was carfully thought dicision, not only on personal basis, also  
on
> >
> >
> >In my opinion, Xiong, you don't have to pay too much attention to this kind  
of  
> >people. I guess every society has some people who are not satisfied with  
> >anything. China certainly has too.
> >
> >Before they came out, they complained a lot about the CCP and CG because  
they  
> >were not satisfied. They thought the US would satisfy them. Now they are in  
the  
> >US and found that US is far from satisfactory. What can they do? Nothing but  
> >talking about going back and dreaming of theirs glorious past, and even the  
> >oppresing CCP becomes a loving party to them. I don't know if they will  
really  
> >go back, or just moan around. But one thing seems certain, if they go back,  
> >they will complain about CCP again. Then they will probably think of leaving  
> >China and going to the Moon.

> I at least do not fuck my motherland for personal gains.

Oh, did you?! Good! So, at least you are claiming that you have a little bit of  
something respectful.

Carl

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Cost for progress 2
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:26:36 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

China's cost for her economic progress -- ecological concerns
(part 2)

3. water pollution
	a. 3/4 waste water generated by industrial origin, and 1/4 by
human waste.
	b. waste water discharges increase 11% in six years time (1980 -
1985). it is expected more than double by 2000. However, only 22% waste
water is treated at present.
	c. A survey of 878 rivers in early 1980s, 82% of them are
"polluted". 
	d. more than 5% of total river length had become fishless. 20
waterways were unusable for crop irrigation because of water pollution.
	e. 50% ground water in the North China Great Plain is polluted.
	f. a water quality monitoring in 27 major cities showed only 6
cities which can provide drinking water meeting the minimum required
standard.

4. Water resource depletion
	a. China annual total water resource availability ranks 6th
position in the world, but by per capita, it ranks 88th (i.e. 1/4 world
average).
	b. 45% cropland irrigated requires more than 80% of the nation's
total annual waterdrawals.
	c. demand for water supply (1965 - 79)
		by human: 8.0% annual increase
		by industrial: 8.5% annual increase

5. the area under grain cultivation declines 12% since 1952.

6. Fertilizer use (ratio between inorganic and total) (1949 - 1988)

years	crop index	ratio irrigated land	fertilizer ratio 
	for grain				(inorganic/total)
1949	128.0%		18.5%			0.8%
1960	133.0%		21.5%			5.8%
1970	137.8%		30.4%			25.5%
1980	146.8%		42.4%			42.4%
1986	149.9%		45.9%			
1988	150.0%		44.4%			55.7%

where "crop index" means "the annual cultivated area as a percent of
total grain growing area".

NB. source from "Sustanable agricultural development in China" by Cheng
Xu, Han Chunru and Donald C. Taylor, appears in "World Development"
vol.20, No.8, pp.1127-1144, 1992.
From: exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Edwin X. Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:27:36 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <l9q4hgINNs00@aludra.usc.edu>, zyou@aludra.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) wri
tes:

>
>   Should Tibet gain independence in the future, Tibet will be similar to
>those USSR states. But Tibet IS part  of China up to now, you should not
>compare Tibet with those indepdent countries.
>
>   I am glad to hear that you are not promoting TI.
>
>

what carl trying to explain to you is that up until the end of last
year, the entity called USSR does claim the sovereignty over a number
of now independent states. your unable or refusal to comprehend this
fact which may well happen in the future is beyond me. please go to
a neurologist to check if you have a logic short circuit in your skull.


>
>     International law regarding territory integrity. China's sovereignty
>over Tibet is recognized by most nations in the world, including US.
>

see the last paragraph above above.

>     Once again, you made a terrible mistake by comparing China to Japan.
>Japan's invason of Taiwan is illegal, never recognized by other peace loving
>countries.
>
>

once again you fail to grasp the fundamental of human decency.
it is not a matter of recognition. when japan invaded china and
taiwan in the 1930's, only private complaining from the heads of
major powers instead of formal diplomatic protest was lodged.
had the japan not invaded pearl harbor, who knows, maybe every
'peace loving' contries would have recognized japan's anexation
of taiwan and perhaps more.


>
>   Wait a second, I said that you are weak because you have  the
>tendency to give up your rights which are evidenced by many of
>your postings.
>
>   What is your reason for you to say me (us) 'oppress other people'
> and 'under oppression'?   Is it because we are asking protection?
                                            ???????????????????????
> asking apology? Don't you realize that it is fighting for our own
  ??????????????
> goods.
>

hmmm, interesting. if the goods are your own, how come you still
want to fight for them? or could it be that the goods are stolen
from others and you are fighting for the loot? asking protection
to enjoy the loot. asking apology to show your patriotism. how
convenient. as another netter pointed out: you yao dang biao zi,
you yao li pai fang.

>
>
>
>Z. You
>
From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Olympic Swimming Gold Medalist ZHUANG Yong To Marry in Hong Kong
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:45:09 GMT
Organization: Physics Dept, State U of New York at Buffalo, Buffalo, NY 14260

/* From the keyboard of xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) */:
:>>Olympic swimming gold medalist Zhuang Yong of China is to make a personal
:>>appearance in Hongkong next month - on the arm of her new husband.
:
:As for what does "new husband" really/truely mean/imply, ask Xiaofei WANG 
:or Lix (the old one :-) on SCC :-)

Thanks Bo. I am always glad to clear up language related confusions on
scc. I am surprised that this time the confusion is caused by the common
word `new'. I will use examples to illustrate. 

`I bought a new car' means the CAR is a new one, not a used one. 
( That is, I bought a car from a dealer, not from Eddie ). 
I might have another car before that or I might not. The sentence simply
did not say anything about my driving history. 

Similarly the adjective `new' defines `husband'. It means the HUSBAND is
new, i.e. never married. It says nothing about Zhong Yong's marriage
history. 
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From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: US colonializing (Was: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:04:48 GMT

In article <JMC.92Sep2171613@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>The claim that Cuba was virtually a U.S. colony and that this was the
>reason for Castro's success is axiomatic in leftist circles, i.e. it
>doesn't require any supporting arguments.  Not everyone who subscribes
>to that view accepts such axioms.  Could it be refuted by the existence
>of a diplomatic note from the Secretary of State to Batista asking him
>to allow more democracy and Batista ignoring it?  Or is it a higher
>truth immune to any kind of evidence?
>
I don't suppose uncle Sam said to Batista that "no carrots to you
bad boy" if he doesn't allow more democracy?  Can Batista government
function for half a day without US support?   
 
>Anyway, precisely what is a "virtual colony"?

It normally identified as a banana republic, where the CIA decides
who to be el presidente/top monkey, the agency, does allow however,
military coups once a while, where the country is mainly owned
by foreigners, also there usually large US naval/air bases present,
lands leased for 99 years in a fair bilateral treaty, 
and the red light districts which goes with it.  

>--
>John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
>*
>He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.


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