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From: fevava@sicsun.epfl.ch (Felipe VALENZUELA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: El modelo chileno
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:40:43 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Un modelo economico es exitoso SI Y SOLAMENTE la mayor parte de su poblacion
beneficia de un bienestar en todos los sentidos (salud, educacion, nivel de vida,
etc, etc). Y esto no es el caso de Chile donde el numero de pobres es mayor que
en el periodo de Allende (hay mas pobres que viviendo bien en Chile). Donde las
excelentes escuelas publicas se encuentran en un estado catastroficas (el colegio
de profesores eligio a gran mayoria una directivia de izquierda como protesta a la
politica de hace an~os), donde lo que fue el buen sistema del Servicio Nacional de
Salud no existe mas y los policlinicos publicos y hospitales se encuentran carente
de todo (una gran huelga de los medicos chilenos se ha lanzado), donde la cesantia
es mayor que todos los periodos precedentes y donde los guardias de proteccion
deben existir en todos lados debido a la delincuencia excesiva producto de la
politica neoliberal (esto de los guardias en todos lados es algo impactante cuando
se visita Chile despues de muchos an~os). El hablar de suceso economico en Chile
es simplemente (y perdonen las almas sensibles) una masturbacion intelectual
basada en el juego de datos economicos que no reflejan en absoluto el nivel de
vida del pueblo en su mayoria.

Y esto es el producto de esa panacea milagrosa llamada neoliberalismo. Ese mismo
neoliberalismo que mantiene millones de pobres en USA (ni en su propica casa el
neoliberarismo puede dar la felicidad a todo el mundo), que ha producido en tiempo
record un empobrecimiento en los ex-paises comunistas y una delincuencia grande
dando como resultado negativo la xenofobia y la vuelta del nazismo (en ex URSS
jamas el asesino Stalin ha tenido tanta popularidad como actualmente). La mayor
parte aplaudimos el derrumbre del muro de Berlin pensando que las puertas se
abririan a una sociedad humanista, justa y ecologica; desgraciadamente deberemos
espera aun para eso.

Cuba un pais lleno de defectos donde la extrema pobreza no existe PERO tampoco 
la riqueza insolente de unos pocos. Donde a pesar del bloqueo inhumano que se le
impone logra mantener el analfabetismo mas bajo de todas las Americas, la
mortalidad infantil mas baja de todas las Americas, el mejor nivel de salud y
hacer competir a sus atletas con los grandes de los paises ricos (?que otro pais
pobre logra algo parecido?) es un ejemplo de lo que es una politica verdaderamente
social y una resistencia a la politica neoliberal que esta destruyendo el planeta.
Es por eso que defiendo Cuba a pesar de estar en desacuerdo en varios aspectos
pero esto es una conversacion entre hombres y mujeres que ponemos a la vida y la
naturaleza antes del fin de lucro. Una conversacion entre seres que creemos que
el planeta tiene aun una esperanza y que el sistema de pillage actual terminara y
no con aquellos que ven apenas un metro delante de ellos.

Felipe Valenzuela
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Statehood for Puerto Rico?
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:03:59 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

ljhr@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu  says:

>My opinion on this question is that the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and
>the various US Territories (e.g., Virgin Islands, Guam) should be either
>admitted into the Union as full States, or cut loose and allowed to take
>their place in the world as independent nations.  The people in these
>territories have advantages & disadvantages unavailable to citizens of the
>50 states.

I agree totally with your position and think you shold write to your 
Congressperson.  Perhaps they will allow Puerto Ricans to take such a vote.  
Instead, they force the commonwealth option into the picture so tha the status 
quo remains.  If there would be a referendum in PR which would ask people to 
choose between statehood or independence, 85% of the population would vote for 
statehood, and THAT is why some in congress fear such a vote.  After all who 
would like their country to be turned into a bannana republic other than the 
politicos of bannana republics themselves?

Sincerely,

Edelmiro
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Germany, Spain, and the Cuban embargo
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:43:28 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Now we can clearly see who is behind Spanish interests in the Caribbean, 
particularly behind Castro's economic venture: German imperialism:

In a recent article fowarded to me the following comments came from 
spokesperson in the Institute for "Ibero-American" studies:

>''the question is whether or not torricelli's law will be an
>effective contribution to democratisation in cuba,'' said detlef
>nolte, latin america expert at the independent institute for ibero-
>american studies in hamburg. (more/ips)

[...]

>nolte admitted that cuba is not very important to germany,
>either politically or economically, so germany will not enter into
>deep dispute with the u.s. ''however, the normal policy followed
>by germany on such issues is one of negotiation,'' he added.
                                     $$$$$$$$$$$

>''we believe that the law is abominable, and exactly the
>opposite should be done: increase free trade,'' said
>representatives of the ibero-american association, which unites
                        ^^^^^
>some 500 german commercial, industrial and transport companies.
          ^^^^^^

>''sooner or later cuba will have to change, as we have seen in
>the eastern european countries which started to reconsider their
>institutions, so that economic contacts were increased,'' declared
>peter roesler, head of the association.

[...]

>according to him, german companies, such as bayer, could be
>affected, ''but the ec has complained to the united states and i
>believe that the law will have no real effects.''

[...]

>after reunification in october 1990, german exports to cuba
>fell from 484 million dollars in 1990 to 133 million dollars in
>1991. imports from cuba dropped from 186 million dollars to 26

So, it seem they are very worried, as usual about their export of capital to 
Cuba.  The stage is set for an imperialist crisis (a la Lenin) over the control 
of Cuba.  Perhaps all this littel "trade war" over seed oils is but the 
begining of things to come.

Edelmiro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: january@eskimo.celestial.com (Jamie Pehling)
Subject: Some Stats: USA, Cuba, El Salvador
Keywords: statistics social usa cuba salvador cia
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Distribution: seattle
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:49:23 GMT


The source for all the following data is _The CIA World
Factbook_, 1991.

I call specific attention to the comparative net migration  
and infant mortality rates, life expectancies, and literacy
rates.

<< United States >>
Population: 252,502,000 (July 1991), growth rate 0.8% (1991)
Birth rate: 15 births/1,000 population (1991)
Death rate: 9 deaths/1,000 population (1991)
Net migration rate: 2 migrants/1,000 population (1991)
Infant mortality rate: 10 deaths/1,000 live births (1991)
Life expectancy at birth: 72 years male, 79 years female (1991)
Total fertility rate: 1.8 children born/woman (1991)
Literacy: 97% (male 97%, female 97%)
age 15 and over having completed 5 or more years of schooling (1980)

<< Cuba >>
Population: 10,732,037 (July 1991), growth rate 1.0% (1991)
Birth rate: 18 births/1,000 population (1991)
Death rate: 7 deaths/1,000 population (1991)
Net migration rate: - 1 migrant/1,000 population (1991)
Infant mortality rate: 12 deaths/1,000 live births (1991)
Life expectancy at birth: 73 years male, 78 years female (1991)
Total fertility rate: 1.9 children born/woman (1991)
Literacy: 94% (male 95%, female 93%)
age 15 and over can read and write (1990 est.)

<< El Salvador >>
Population: 5,418,736 (July 1991), growth rate 2.0% (1991)
Birth rate: 34 births/1,000 population (1991)
Death rate: 7 deaths/1,000 population (1991)
Net migration rate: - 6 migrants/1,000 population (1991)
Infant mortality rate: 47 deaths/1,000 live births (1991)
Life expectancy at birth: 63 years male, 68 years female (1991)
Total fertility rate: 4.1 children born/woman (1991)
Literacy: 73% (male 76%, female 70%)
age 15 and over can read and write (1990 est.)
-- 
Jamie Pehling <january@eskimo.celestial.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: aap@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: The Chilean Model
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:26:19 GMT

In article <19056@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@othello.ucdavis.edu  
writes:
> Compan~eros Chilenos,

Comap~eros son los huevos, y sin embargo se golpean...

> No le hagan caso a sus vecinos envidiosos 

No sabes la envidia que los argentinos le tienen la los chilenos!!!!
La perspicacia de Salas me ha dejado anonadado. Mira que darse cuenta de  
lo que piensan los argentinos, y de como tratan de meterles cosas a los  
chilenos por la frontera, y todo eso nada mas que leyendo este  
newsgroup!!!
Parece que aquellos que nacen en paises desarrollados, como Puerto Rico,  
en este caso, tienen un sexto sentido que los Latinoamericanos no tenemos.  
Yo no dejo de sorprenderme de como Salas ha descubierto cual es la  
composicion racial de la Argentina por medio de Univision, o de como esta  
la politica argentina por medio del Martin Fierro.
Pero ahora si que le dio en el clavo con todo: Los argentinos estamos  
envidiosos de los chilenos!
Salas: De su boca salen verdades como porotos de la chaucha!!!


> 
> Saludos,
> 
> Edelmiro


Ahora, hablando un poco mas en joda:
Me han contado por ahi que hay personas que crean personajes en las redes.  
Por medio de estos personajes (todo lo que necesitan es una cuenta con  
otro nombre), mandan mensajes que son polemicos, en general se oponen a la  
vision mayoritaria, y tienen contenidos por demas ridiculos, pero que  
generan grandes reacciones. Es asi que tales mensajes no necesitan ser  
siquiera coherentes, sino que solo tienen que presentar puntos  
controversiales.
Yo sospeche hace ya mucho tiempo, mas exactamente, cuando Salas dije que  
"Crimen y castigo" era una novela de Fucault, que el era una personaje  
ficticio. Cuanta gente puede haber recibido $150,000 del gobierno para sus  
estudios y seguir sin poder dominar el idioma? O, cuantos estudiantes en 
Departamentos de Espa~ol creen que el gaucho descripto en el Martin Fierro  
es todavia parte de la realidad argentina? 
Yo me baso en la idea de que estas redes sirven para el intercambio de  
datos, ideas, etc. No importa si el otro existe o no. Sin embargo, hay un  
punto donde esto se agota, ya que para seguir la joda adelante hace falta  
creatividad y cultura, que en este caso no estan presentes en aquel que ha  
inventado tal personaje.
Asi que mientras duro fue divertido. Ahora, cortenla y pasemos a algun  
tema que valga la pena.

Alberto Pinkas.
(Muerto de envidia)
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: The Chilean Model
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:49:52 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Felipe Valenzuela writes:

>Charles,

>If you go to Chile, you will find a lot of shanty-towns (6 millions of poors)
>and If you go to Cuba those towns don't exist. What do you think about that?
>(if you think and you don't repeat the propaganda of those support 
>dictatorships in Latin-America (USA and allied).

>Felipe Valenzuela

I can't attest for the chilean shanty towns but I will accept, in spite of the
marvelous economic progress of Chileans, that these facts are true.  However, 
with respect to Cuba, you are right when you say that shanty towns don't exist, 
since what you find are shanty CITIES along with crumbling housing in the 
cities.  Anybody who still thinks that there is no pauperism in Cuba should 
take a trip and get off the tourist trail for a while.  You'll be in for a 
surprise.

Edelmiro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Salas
From: G.A.Arias@massey.ac.nz (G A Arias)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 09:06:09 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: Tacticas
Summary: Nueva tactica
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

Red:

Edelmiro Salas constituye un caso psicologico peculiar. Lo unico que el 
pretende con sus cartas es un poco de atencion... de la cual debe ser carente
en el medio en el que circula. Es bueno que tanta gente de la red lo ayude
en este problema, haciendole sentir importante, discutiendole... el debe estar
feliz.

Por mi parte, siempre que veo en el remite las dos letras "ez" oprimo la
letra "k" o "n" y asunto arreglado. Propongo "llevarle la cuerda", es
decir, darle la razon en todo (por saber que efectos tiene esta nueva
tactica). Presiento que seria terrible para el. Lo otro seria no leer sus
mensajes, no comentarlos, nada. Esto seria fatal pero vale la pena
probar... no creen?

G.
From: David Sangurima <sangu@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 05 Nov 92 17:32 PST
Subject: AZ. Job representing refugees
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473800371:000:1572
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sangu    Nov  5 17:32:00 1992


From: David Sangurima <sangu>
Subject: AZ. Job representing refugees

/* Written 11:01 am  Nov  5, 1992 by tecla@igc.apc.org in igc:pn.jobs */
/* ---------- "AZ. Job representing refugees" ---------- */
Position Openings

Tucson, Arizona

     The Tucson Ecumenical Council Legal Assistance (TECLA)
Project, a nonprofit legal office serving Central American asylum
applicants in Southern Arizona, has two staff positions
available.  

Staff Attorney - Part time 

     The part time staff attorney will share responsibility for
our asylum caseload with the current part time staff attorney.
Responsibilities include preparation of asylum applications,
representation of asylum clients before INS, EOIR, and on
appeals, and providing related immigration services.  Law school
graduates who have not yet been admitted to the bar will be
considered.  Salary is $10,800 (for 20 hours per week), plus
health insurance.  

Paralegal - Full time

     The paralegal must be bilingual (Spanish/English) and able
to write competently in English.  Responsibilities include
intake, preparation of draft asylum applications and
documentation in support of those applications, maintaining
TECLA's documentation library, providing support to pro bono
attorneys, interpreting for staff attorneys, and community
outreach.  Salary is $15,000 to $18,000, plus health insurance.

     Please submit resumes to Valerie Hink, TECLA, P.O. Box 3007,
Tucson, AZ 85702, (602) 623-5739 or 623-5733.
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From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: NYTX:Menchu on Democracy in Latin A
Date: 6 Nov 92 06:51:28 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

>Via The NY Transfer News Service * All the News that Doesn't Fit

>El Diario-La Prensa Newsbriefs


>MENCHU: DEMOCRACY IS STILL A DREAM IN LATIN AMERICA

>From her exile in Mexico, Guatemalan peasant leader and Nobel
>Peace Prize winner Rigoberta Menchu said in an October 26
>interview on Mexican state television, that democracy for Latin
>American countries is still "a dream."

I'm sorry if she hasn't seen lived the democratic dream in Guatemala, but in 
Puerto Rico we certainly have lived the American dream.  Just recently 89% of 
the electorate voted in Puerto Rico.  All three status parties were 
appropirately represented and the people voted for their elected 
representatives en mass with no corruption.  The election could have been no 
freer: government paid TV commercials, billboards, caravans, debates, etc....  
So, I'm sorry if Ms. Mechu has not lived the Puerto Rican dream but we have 
been consistently been electing our form of government for the past 50 years 
withoug having a single shot fired to gain political power.

"One day I began to think
>about democracy and I realized that it has many names... in some
>regions it's called relative democracy, controlled, low-
>intensity," she explained. She continued, "as long as social
>inequality is not resolved the breach between rich and poor will
>grow." 

In Puerto Rico we have also resoleved the breach between the rich and the 
poor.  Our poorest have TVs and refirigerators.  Almost everyone has a phone.  
Perhaps that's why we call our government a democracy, plain and simple.

>She added that even peace in some areas, such as
>Nicaragua and El Salvador, is insecure. Peace accords in those
>countries are still facing great obstacles. Menchu hopes one day
>to return to her country, to the land, not to herd sheep, but to
>support the Guatemalan people." (AP 10/27)

She is right on this one.  As long as marxist lenninsts like Joaquin 
Villalobos (who sent 30,000 people to their death to prove his theories of 
guerilla warfare) demand political power with armed guerrillas, peace will be 
facing great obstacles.

Edelmiro
From: jy2y1@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Ton~o Scherer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Banyo de Sangre
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:24:28 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Nov5.092200.62@cc.uab.es>,
iqan0@cc.uab.es writes: 
> Raza,
> 	Roy dice que en Chile no hubo un banyo de sangre.
> Guau! Es esto revisionismo o que?  Si el Pinocho no sumio
> al hermano pueblo de Chile en una orgia de terror y 
> asesinatos yo dejo de ser el Charro Negro!
> 	:-)  :-)
> 	Saludos desde Nahueztlatoyatlan,
> 	Francisco Valdes
> 	Grupo de Sensores y Biosensores, UA de Barcelona
> 	iqan0@cc.uab.es
> 
 	Aqui en Ithaca tenemos varios exilados Chilenos que podrian
hablar de los abusos de la tristemente celebre DINA, brazo derecho
del Pinocho, quien aun trafica armas desde Chile con la mafia 
fascista. Aunque el Pinocho, dejo el poder "democraticamente" aun
continua con sus "escandalos". 
	Recuerdo haberlo vista en una entrevista hace poco haciendo
gestos de boxeador y diciendo algo como "A ver quien se atreve a investigar?".
	A democratic hero? Hardly.


-- 

_______________________________________________________________________________
             
                                 - "Por la esquina del viejo barrio lo vi
 jy2y1@vax5.cit.cornell.edu      -  pasa', con el tumbao que tienen lo' guapo'
				 -  al camina'"
					
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: WORLD WAR II: DISCUSSIONS..
Date: 12 Nov 1992 08:59:35 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu

 delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
> I am currently looking for anyone who is interested in discussing WWII 
> from the German view, as well as battle strategies, aircraft and tank
> production, or any other topic...

	you should probably approach the groups sci.military and/or
	rec.aviation.military as a likely audience, and hang-out of
	"experts" and afficionados ...

	please, let's NOT have the discussion here though ...
-- 
  werner@cs.utexas.edu |  ..!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!werner | werner@UTXVM.bitnet

              "Free Advice and Opinions -- Refunds Available"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: brewpub bzw. microbrewery
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:32:29 GMT

 
Wie sagt man "brewpub" bzw. "microbrewery" auf deutsch?  Mit den
englischen Worte?
 
Brad Grissom <bgrissom@ukcc.uky.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club")
Subject: German official rethinks incineration stance
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:12:16 GMT

There's an interesting front page article in this week's
Plastics News, with the above title.  It starts:

DUESSELDORF, Germany -- Incineration may be an option for
plastics in Germany after all.

Klaus Toepfer, the author of Germany's strict package recycling
legislation, may allow waste-to-energy burning of plastics as
one means of achieving strict recycling goals, he said at an
Oct. 30 forum at K'92.  Although Toepfer, the German minister for
the environment, took some critical jabs at the industry, he used
his visit to the clearly unfriendly confines of a plastics trade
fair to strike a conciliatory tone.

The plastics industry, on the other hand, used the meeting to
announce a new scheme to recycle all polyethylene, PET and PVC
bottles and containers sole in Western Europe....

If anyone would like a full copy of the article, let me know.

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
From: M.Griesser@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Michael Griesser)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Eisgekuehlter Bommerlunder
Keywords: german, Toten Hosen, bestiality
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:11:16 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, England

In article <1dcifsINNk34@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, 
schultrj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Richard J Schultz) writes:
|> Weiss einer von Euch zufaellig, ob es wirklich so'n Getraenk gibt, was  
|> "Bommerlunder" heisst?  (Fuer diejenigen, die es nicht wissen, kommt es in  

Gibt es in der Tat. Ist ein klarer Schnaps, wahrscheinlich Korn, 
und kommt - wenn ich mich recht erinnere - in einer schlanken
Flasche aus Steingut oder irgend so was daher.


Ciao   Michael

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