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From: Adam_Lowe@Brown.Edu (Adam I. Lowe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Boundry Rules Question
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:04:40 EDT
Organization: Brownian Motion Ultimate Frisbee
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I overheard a discussion about this topic on the sidelines today
at the Chowdahfest.  I didn't stick around for all of it, but the
more I think about it, the less I am sure about the general rules
on the subject.  A quick word search of the current FTP'able rules
provided no insight on the matter, even though one of the sideline
crowd claimed that it was contained in them.
Anyhow, what's either the "official" rule that I can't find, or
the general consesus ruling on the following:

A player seeing a floater cross the boundry line, runs herself
out-of-bounds, jumps and catches it in the air, and lands in bounds.

Is there a rule on last-point-of-contact before leaping must be inbounds?

--adam "The single most difficult move with a disc is to put it down." lowe
        (quote taken from the Ten Commandments of the Disc)


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
  Adam Lowe,  Minister of Agriculture
  Brownian Motion Ultimate Frisbee
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From: Eric Simon <70540.1522@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: MA Regionals



           FALL SECTIONALS in the MID-ATLANTIC REGION

All Sectionals are on Oct 10-11.

Open Division:

New Jersey Section  - Brian Thomee is, at this point, only
expecting about six teams:  Club Nimeo, Rutgers, Princeton,
Cumberland, Drew, and, NPZ.  The site is Princeton.  If your team
wants to compete and is not in that list, contact him at:
115 N Clark St., Somerville, NJ 08876 
h: 908-526-4890  w: 609-520-2450

Pennsylvania Section - We still have no Penn. Sectional
coordinator!  Ann Carson, the Women's Regional Coordinator, is
handling stuff in the meantime.  She is attempting to work with the
Philly Club to get a site, as we expect to have one in a few days
at the latest.  I will post the info as soon as it is available. 
Ann and I will send out rosters soon to all teams in Pa.  AJ is on
a business trip, For the latest info, contact her at:
6017 N 26th St., Arlington, VA 22205 
h: 703-532-6858  w: 703-558-4121

Maryland-DC-Virginia Section: A.J. Iwaszko is the new Sectional
Coordinator.  He has nailed down a site at St Mary's, and will be
sending out information shortly.  For more info, contact him at:
4650 Wash. Blvd. #521, Arlington, VA 22201 
h: 703-528-3819  w: 202-724-3121

North Carolina Section: Jeff Masters is the new Sectional
Coordinator; the site is in Raleigh.  He tells me the following
teams have tentatively told him they were competing:  Winston-
Salem, Duke, ECU, NC State, Raliegh, Rats, Ring, Ashville, App
State, UNC-Wilmington, Wilmington, Charlotte, and Charlotte Latin. 
If your team want to compete and is not on this list, call Jeff
ASAP.  You can contact him at:
3170 Exacta Ln #512, Raleigh, NC 27613 
h: 919-676-3351  w: 919-848-3347

WOMEN:

The North Section (Penn and NJ) - the site will either be at the
same site as the NJ Sectional or the Pa. Sectional, depending upon
how many fields there are.  Keep in touch with Ann Carson for the
latest info.

The South Section (Md, DC, Va., and NC) - will be at St. Mary's. 
The Sectional Coordinator is Mary Beth Tinley, 4801 N 20th Pl., 
Arlington, VA 22207
h: 703-525-1705  w: 703-821-4891

***************************************************************
I apologize to those frantic teams that don't know what's going on,
but, well, there's not a whole lot I can do when the Pennsylvania
Sectional Coordinator-ship has been open for six months.  This is
a players organization, run by players.  If players don't want to
get involved, well . . . we get into a situations like this.

--  Eric
From: reeve@steam.Xylogics.COM (Scott Reeve)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: NEFA tournament in Foxboro, Mass.
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:06:08 GMT
Reply-To: reeve@steam.Xylogics.COM (Scott Reeve)
Organization: Xylogics, Inc. Burlington, MA, USA 01810


I haven't seen any postings on the NEFA (New England Flying
Disc Association) tournament that was scheduled for 9/26 and 9/27.
Does anyone have the results?  Thanks in advance.

- Scott
From: Eric Simon <70540.1522@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: Pennsylvania Sectionals

               NEW INFO ON PENNSYLVANIA SECTIONAL

The tournament WILL BE at "The Oaks" a/k/a Lower Perkionen Park
(just outside of Philly, Pa.) on Sat & Sun Oct 10-11.  Captains
meeting will be at 8:30 am.  Rosters will be sent out via mail on
Friday morning Oct 2, bring the completed rosters to the captains
meeting.  For info on directions and places to stay, call the
Philly Club Hot Line at 215-238-8751.  

Womens teams from NJ and Penn will be playing at the same site on
Sunday only.

Running the tournament will be Ann Carson, the women's Regional
Coordinator, because there is no Penn. Sectional Coordinator.  You
guys in Pennsylvania owe her big time.

NOTE - The following teams WILL NOT BE SENT rosters because we
believe their addresses are incorrect, or that the team does not
exist.  If you have any information on the following teams, please
e-mail me at 70540.1522@compuserve.com or call me at (h)703-892-
1279 or (w)202-724-3121 ASAP.

Princeton Women
Bloomsburg
Delaware Inst. of Disc
Drexel
GNU Kidds (Mars)
Millersville Univ.
Muhelenburg College

Also, we're having trouble getting in touch with East Stroudsburg.

That's all the news for tonite!

--  Eric


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From: medf214@chpc.utexas.edu (Aaron Altman)
Subject: Texas Sectionals
Organization: The University of Texas System CHPC
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 20:03:05 GMT


Here are the results of the Texas sectionals
played Saturday and Sunday at College Station,
Texas under perfectly clear skies, with wonderfully
moderate temperatures (for Texas)

	 1. Austin I
	 2. Alvin
	 3. Dallas
	 4. Texas A&M

The biggest surprise, in my opinion, was Texas A&M's
performance.  They entered seeded fourth in a pool of
five, and finished in the top four teams (there were two
pools of five teams each).
	
The SOTG in all of the games I played in was quite good,
although the team I organized hardly posed a threat to
anyone!

The field conditions could be said to have been "OK" until
I rolled on my ankle in a mud hole trying to make a cut!
Who said a little mud never hurt anyone???

I apologize for the short format, if anyone has any questions
about details, contact Luis Montes via E-Mail at
	 lmontes@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu



	Aaron Altman,     Austin Disc-Content (lately, anyways)



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From: fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Re: O/B Rules question
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:46:14 GMT

>>The offensive player cut to the sideline and his teammate threw the disc to
>>him. The catch was not clean - he "bobbled it" for a few seconds before
>>catching it. While bobling it he was clearly O/B (he admitted this), but
>>when he finally had the disc under control, he had stepped in bounds.
>>
>>He maintained that since he did not have control of the disc until he was
>>in bounds, he should be considered in bounds.

He's clearly out of bounds.  Think about an extreme case: suppose the disc had
gone thirty feet out of bounds.  Could he have raced out and intentionally
bobbled it back the thirty feet to the line, then caught it and declared
himself "in"?  There really isn't any difference.

-- 
ben                                     fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

"A tight bunch of bastards who want to win while loving each other"
- Dave Hasbrook, about the Indiana Ultimate team
From: zg03+@andrew.cmu.edu (Zafrir E. Gan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: O/B Rules question
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:10:00 GMT
	<25740005@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

First of all, everyone should bring a copy of he rules to every game.
Therefore, any disputes that are covered in the rules can be resolved.
Most arguments result from one or more players ignorance of the rules.
Furthermore, most every dispute is covered in the rules.

IX. OUT-OF-BOUNDS

2.  A disc is out-of-bounds when it first contacts an out-of -bounds
area or contacts anything out-of-bounds.

4.  A player is out-of-bounds when s/he is contacting an out-of-bounds area.

IRON "let me pull" MIKE
From: kak@durante.att.com (Kurt Kanaskie [151])
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Community disc golf, help
Keywords: disc golf
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:06:59 GMT
Organization: Bell Laboratories

Hi all.

My wife is the recreation director for our township and she is planning next
years budget. I suggested she set up a disc golf course. I have seen courses
get heavy use in various towns and we both thought it would be a nice change
from the existing park facillities.

Can anyone identify a manufacturer of pole holes?
Does anyone have any rough idea as to how much it would cost?
I have been told pole holes can range in price from $150 to $300.

We are willing (anxious) to layout and install the holes
ourselves. Any other advice or insight would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance

___________________________________________________________________

Kurt Kanaskie				AT&T Bell Laboratories
kak@alux2.att.com			Computer Aided Design Lab
(215) 770-3096				Allentown PA
From: ch522@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: tourneys Oct. 16/31 ?
Date: 28 Sep 1992 04:18:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I was just wondering if there are any tournaments on the
weekends of the 16th or the 31th of Oct. in the Northeast.
A bunch of us folks fron Oberlin are going to be near Boston
and would love to play some disc.
Thanks

Eric "EO" Olson

OCMR 1648
Oberlin OH 44074
216 775 5740
From: Eric Simon <70540.1522@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: CC Meeting

Coordinating Committee Meeting 

The following issues were decided by conference phone call last
night:

Masters Division:

   1.  Clarification:  Open Masters teams are allowed a max of three
players from outside the region.  Tentative rosters are due October
10.  Final rosters are due at Regionals.  No player may play at Open
Regionals and Open Masters.
        Women's Masters - team rosters must be submitted ASAP after
Regionals.

   2.  Wild Card - voted 5-2 to allow a Masters Wild Card, in each
division, from the region that has the most teams competing.

   3.  Rude Boys - unanimously rejected consideration of a special
"10 year anniversary" exemption asked for by a Rude Boys reunion
team.

Nationals Issues:

   1.  Voted 7-0 to altenate the order of finals games at Nationals. 
Starting in 1992, during even numbered years, the men's final game
will precede the women's final game.

   2.  Voted 6-1 to apply a "number of players" rule for breaking a
tie if more than one Region has the same number of teams compete, and
those regions are in the running for a wild card.

College Eligibility:

   1.  Voted 5-2 to keep the college eligibility wording the same,
but to allow, through clarifications, players on the "quarter"
system, to be eligible for college play if they are full-time
students in the spring quarter, plus either the preceding winter or
fall quarter.

   2.  Wildcard proposal and proposal to expand nationals to 16 teams
were put off till our next meeting.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: 93asw@williams.edu (Andrew Wright)
Subject: Re: Doob/Dube derivation?
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:08:42 GMT

Andrew

In article <TNT.92Oct1163217@netcom.com> tnt@netcom.com (Terry Turner) writes:
>In article <BvGMtz.AGL@unix.amherst.edu> djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger (Davebo)) writes:
>
>   Does anyone out there know (I'm sure _someone_ out there does) where
>   the word "doob" or "dube" or whatever for a layout comes from?  As in
>   "Game to 5, doob rule!"
>
>my guess is that it comes from what we called "doobies for d's" in which a
>doobie or joint is awarded to anyone getting a horizontal d



Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: scraig@elipse.mentorg.com (Stuart Craig)
Subject: Re: NW Sectionals
Originator: scraig@elipse
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 01:57:23 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: rec.sport.disc


In article <3799@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, dep1700@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Diane
Pagel) writes:
|> In the Men's games, there were two pools.
|> Pool A :
|> 1. Oregon Rhino Slam
|> 2. Humboldt Buds
|> 3. Mount-n-loaf
|> 4. Portland Men on the Merge.
|> 
|> Pool B:
|> 1: Seattle Sockeye
|> 2. Cutthroat
|> 3. Portland Hoodlums
|> 4. Corvallis Sundawgs

You left out two teams, but at least you got the names right!  I think that
the actual list should be:

Pool A:
1. Oregon Rhino Slam
2. Humboldt Buds
3. Portland Hoodlums
4. Mount-n-loaf (Seattle, I think)
5. Portland Men on the Merge

Pool B:
1. Seattle Sockeye
2. Cutthroat (again Seattle, I think)
3. Corvallis Sundawgs
4. Eugene Hammerhead
5. Olympia Spawn

Thanks Di for posting the info -- I was too busy pretending to be a team
captain (and drinking beer! :-) to keep track of anything else!

Later,
Stu

-- 
Commander: Fire HEAT!                                              Stuart Craig
Gunner: Sabot up!                                      stuart_craig@mentorg.com
Commander: Fire Sabot, load HEAT!            ...!uunet!mentorg.com!stuart_craig
From: tomc@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Tom Cocklin)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 20:34:50 GMT
Subject: Horrorzontals E-Union
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc

'ello U-World,

This is an enquiry into any retired but still participating Horrozontals
from years 1980-84.  Are you there or have you given up your discs for
diapers, dust mops and drain cleaners.  Send me e-mail if you can...

tomc@hpgrla.hp.com

Tom Cocklin (retired from left-out)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: reid@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (David Reid)
Subject: Standard format for sectionals?
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:13:22 GMT

Howdy ---
	After a truly disappointing weekend for our (Indiana University 
Hoosiermama?) team some questions have come up about the format for 
sectionals.
	First some background.  On saturday, during pool play, the sectional
coordinator started telling teams that on sunday the format would be single
elimination, not double elimination as clearly stated in the tournament flyers.
In addition, every sectional I have ever played at has been double elim. on
the second day.  We protested this move quite strongly, not only because we
felt that it was not within his authority to change the format of the
tournament, but also because of our seeding we had to face Windy City the 
first game on Sunday.  Now, we may not have made to regionals in either case,
but we feel we were being denied the opportunity to play for the third spot
from our section.
	At the sunday morning captain's meeting a vote was held to decide the
format.  The vote was 4-4 (IU, Windy City, Rockford, Purdue in favor of
double elimination).  Ball State (confident they would make it to the finals
after losing to City 11-10 in pool play), Fork Boys, Fish Bellies, and U of
Illinois voting for single.  As our captain and the the Ball State captain
were about to "Rock, Paper, Scissors" to break the tie, Purdue changed their
vote in favor of single.  We then went out and got roached by City 15-1 and
ended our fall season.
	Now the question is:  What is the official UPA format for Sectionals?
Is there one?  If not, then why not?  How much authority does the sectional
coordinator have in deciding the format?  Do other sections have single 
elimination on the second of the tourney?
	In discussing this on the car ride home yesterday, we wondered why
the UPA doesn't put together a pamphlet (along the lines of the "how to start
a team" and "how to start a league" packets) on how to run a tourney.  In it
could be standard brackets for single or double elimination tournaments, how
to set up pool play for however many teams show up, how to get work with
the city rec. dept to get fields, trash cans, portapotties, even how to set
up the tournament party.  Such a packet would probably greatly help anyone
trying to run a tournament.  
	The major point of this is that the UPA needs to have a standardized
format for ALL sectional and regional tournaments to ensure that every team
in the country has the same opportunity to play and advance.

Dave Reid
Indiana University Cyclotron Facility

ps ----- that karma thing reared its ugly head again.  Both Ball St. and Purdue,
after voting for single elimination, got beat in the first round.  This really
hurt Ball St. as they were probably the second or third best team in the
section and most likely deserved to go to regionals.
From: CRAAARB@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Weird play at Hampshire-rules?
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:54:35 GMT
Organization: Yale University

At a crucial point in the FOG/WUFO matchup at Hampshire on October 3rd, a Yale
player had just made a layout-biff in the endzone. While chasing down the disc
which had gone out of bounds, the Yale captain suggested a time-out call,
yelling "call time-out". Apparently, a couple of the other Yale players turned
to the players marking them and said 'time out'. Although no one was really run
ning around, it isn't clear whether this was from the time-out call or the turn
over. Anyways, the Yale player who was running down the disc had no intention
of listening to his captain, ran the disc up to the goal line, and hucked a
backhand most of the length of the field to his team-mate who had, seeing
the handler rush the disc to the goal line, taken off down field. Players on bo
th sides agreed, with a few Yale dissensions, that although the rules clearly s
tate that the man with the disc has to call time-out, spirit of the game should
 take precedence and that since players on both teams had slowed down, the disc
 should go back to the goal-line. The thrower argued that people on the field
should, as when a pick is called, keep playing as if a disc is live until it is
 obviously not, and that spirit or not, the rules are there for a reason.
My feeling is that both arguments are valid. Any ideas?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: fontes@astro.psu.edu (Chris Fontes)
Subject: Rocky Mtn sectionals
Organization: Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics, Penn State University
Distribution: rec.sport.disc
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:38:01 GMT

Here's the basic gist of the Rocky Mtn sectionals:
1) Boulder 2)Alb 3)Phoenix Masters 4) Denver 5) Tucson 6) Santa Fe
7)Las Cruces & Phoenix (tie). Bringing up the rear were:
Fort Collins, Flagstaff, Colorado University (CU), and one other
team (I believe from AZ) whose name escapes me.
  On the women's side, I heard that DV8 crushed. They were never pushed.
I'm not sure about 2nd and 3rd, but I remember hearing that Alb
lost to  a team (that they had beaten in pool play) for the 2nd place
slot. So, I would have to guess that the Violet Femmes placed 2nd and
Alb placed 3rd. (I also heard that this game was won buy one point,
I think.)
  The tourney was held in Phoenix. It was one of the smooothest run
sectionals I have ever been to. Kuddos to Gary Gang, the Rocky Mtn
SC. The temp reached 102 both days and the sun never stopped shining.
(I'm beginning to miss the blustery/rainy mid-Atlantic sectionals!:)
The party was held right on the fields with kegs and dancing.
   I'd say ulty is alive and kicking in the American Southwest. Come
and visit some time...
Adios,
Chris "Goin ho in the American Southwest." Fontes
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From: snyder@voodoo.utcc.utk.edu (kim snyder)
Subject: RUMOR ALERT!!!
Followup-To: rec.sport.disc
Keywords: ultimate on CNN
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:51:08 GMT


At our sectionals this weekend, i learned that the Atlanta
city league (?) was going to be filmed by CNN at their
practice Monday night (last night -10/5).  They're supposed
to call us and let us know when it will be on.  I got 
the impression that it was women's practice, but i also
thought their city leagues were co-ed, so i don't know.
I'm just here to start rumors.  

One of the women that play with Scrambled Legs (Gainesville)
is a camera operator for CNN.  Apparently she's the one
who's arranged this.

If anybody hears anything else, let me know!  I don't 
have cable, does CNN announce their programs in advance?

kim 
knoxville ho maid
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: ziskin@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov (Daniel C. Ziskin)
Subject: Re: Weird play at Hampshire-rules?
Organization: Climate and Radiation Branch
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:28:52 GMT

|> 
|> this is the old fake timeout play. we used to joke about using this in a
|> game. 
|> 

I really don't think you can blame the defense for letting down their
guard.  If someone tells me it's a time out, I assume it was called
by the person with authority and I missed it.  The blame for this mix-up
falls on the players who knew there was no time-out called, but told
any other player that it had been called (i.e. in the stack).  Or on
the players who watched the disc being run up to  the line and sat
on their thumbs as if a time-out had already been called.  

By the way, I would love to see a discussion in this group of some of
the ingenious legal 'dirty tricks' that have been created in the 
history of the game.  Are all of them anti-SOTG?  For example:

1) on a turnover, bending over to pick up the disc, but then running past
   it before actually touching it.

2) picking the disc up with your left hand, but then switching to
   throw with your right.

3) cutting so that your defender has to run through the mud puddle.

4) start to speak to a player on your own or opposing team and start
   your offensive cut in mid sentence.

5) _________ (insert your favorite here)

    I've heard that age and treachery defeat youth and vigor....
Now that I'm at the crest of the hill, I want to know what
I'm getting into.

                    - Sincerely
                         Agent 86
-- 
Daniel "OYSTER"  Ziskin             | 'Now you stand there expecting me to
(w)  301-286-9136  (h) 301-422-8619 |  remember something you forgot to say...'
ziskin@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov        |     -- Dylan
From: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Northern Mid-Atlantic Sectionals
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:40:20 GMT
Reply-To: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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HELP!!!!!

Does anyone know where the Northern Mid-Atlantic Sectionals are???

They are supposedly next week, but I haven't heard anything about them.

Related question: Do we have a new Sectional Coordinator yet?

Thanks. My team is starting to give me more funny looks than usual.

						Chris
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