HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: goodman@royvax.enet.dec.com (Roy Goodman)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Pinball machine repair in San Francisco area
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:44:41 GMT
Reply-To: goodman@thebay.enet.dec.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <25990009@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com
(Joanne Petersen) writes:
|>   Saw an ad in the Sunday Chronicle/Examiner...
|>
|>Pinball Machines, 100% warranty, Free delivery, 510/653-9100
|>
|>I called and spoke to Tom Johnson. He is the new owner of Gametown USA.
|>They're located at 5245 College Ave at Broadway in Oakland. 

Just went in there the other night.  If you haven't been in since he bought the
place, you should go.  It's been repainted, cleaned up and the old
(*old*) machines are gone.  Of course, the only pins in there right now are
Gilligan (which I hadn't seen before), Rollergames, Star Trek and (one oldie 
left) Tomcat.

However, I have high hopes that we'll see other games come in in good condition,
not like the ones they had before (a broken Black Pyramid, a broken Party
Animals, a broken Millionaire... you get the idea)

Eruptus interruptus?  Give me a break...
--
Roy Goodman                                 Digital Equipment Corporation
goodman@thebay.enet.dec.com                 455 Market Street, Suite 700
..!decwrl!thebay.enet!goodman              San Francisco, CA  94105
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          Disclaimer: These opinions are mine only.  Thank goodness.
From: dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: TAF bug
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:49:33 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <6044@transfer.stratus.com> overturf@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Dallas Overturf) writes:
>In article <Btrq71.8Bs@acsu.buffalo.edu> dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti) writes:
>>Ugh.
>>
>>I was cruising on TAF today.  Had a super game going.  

Etc. Etc. Etc.
>
>Well your description of the bug is not very complete though possibly
>you just did not see what the last thing that happened was.
>
>I suspect that you made the final target to spell "Grave" and that
>is when the machine reset.  The bug is to my knowledge fixed starting 
>in Prom REV L-2 and beyond.  There is some sort of a race
>condition in the software that causes this and I don't recall
>exactly what but there is something that must occur for it to happen.
>
>Moral of the story is get L-2 or later into your machine.

I believe the last thing that happened was a drop into the Swamp to 
collect the 15,000,000 third tunnel in Tunnel Hunt.  I guess this could
also have completed G-R-A-V-E, but for some reason I seem to remember
this reset happening before to me during tunnel hunts.  Now that I think
about it, it could have been G-R-A-V-E each time coinciding with Tunnel
Hunts.  Well, thanks for the info.

-- 
Don Dianetti  --  SUNY at Buffalo  --  dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu
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From: dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Game Penalty Tilts
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:10:06 GMT
Organization: UB


Our local Black Knight 2000 penalizes you the entire game for a simple
tilt, instead of just the current ball and bonus points.  I have never
seen a game do this before.

Question:  is this an operator setting, or a malfunction?  Thanks.

-- 
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From: hersh@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Jay Hersh)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball,misc.forsale,ne.forsale
Subject: Roadblasters video game wanted
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:56:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: xenon.hersh.715373783
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

Anyone recall the game RoadBlasters.
The one where you drive down a highway at top speed
destroying all things in your path...

I really could use the release from my daily commute
(whoever designed this game HAD to drive around Boston :-)
If anyone knows where I might come by one I'd appreciate
an e-mail message.


	JaH

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Hopfen und Malz, Gott erhalts
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From: pinball@maxx.UUCP (Tom Yager)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball,misc.forsale,ne.forsale
Subject: Re: Terminator 2 pinball machine for sale
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:03:47 GMT
Organization: New Hampshire Public Access UNIX

In article <BtI0s6.9FK@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, mdchaney@fractal.ucs.indiana.edu (M Darrin Chaney) writes:
> In article <> boggs@a.cs.okstate.edu (BOGGS RICHARD GRAN) writes:
> >Boy, this guy sounds real friendly.  I'm real inclinded to buy from him.
> I've sold a few video games, and I've had people come by to look at them
> who apparently just wanted to play a few free games of their old favorite.
> Looks like the seller is just tired of putting up with people like I've
> mentioned (and he mentioned).  If you don't want to buy it, don't bother
> him, and he won't bother you.  Simple enough?
> 	Darrin
> mdchaney@iubacs mdchaney@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu mdchaney@rose.ucs.indiana.edu

Thanks for the defense, Mr. Chaney, and you're absolutely right. I enjoy
mingling with the pinball crowd as much as any of you, but when I have business
to transact, I like to to put all my cards on the table. I'd rather be accused
of "not being very nice" than of going back on my word or misleading someone.

I'm sorry my brusque tone put some of you off, and perhaps I let the day's
mood (not so hot) creep into my posting more than it should have. Still, 
I stand by the central message of the posting: I have something to sell.
I won't jerk potential buyers around, and I ask that they treat me the same
way. $2500 is a lot of money, and when you're talking fairly big bucks, I think
the old "handshake and a smile" system of doing business leaves both parties
vulnerable.
(ty)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball,misc.forsale,ne.forsale
From: bigal@wpi.WPI.EDU (Nathan Charles Crowell)
Subject: Re: Terminator 2 pinball machine for sale
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:20:40 GMT

In article <D2150025.ce87a1@wtgdir.UUCP> grace!wtgdir!Harry_Noel@moscom.com writes:
>
>In article <250@maxx.UUCP> (rec.games.pinball,misc.forsale,ne.forsale), tyager@maxx.UUCP (Tom Yager) writes:
>> > 
>> 
>> You know, as genuinely ornery and nasty as I am, I always considered
>>  insulting strangers in public beneath me.
>> 
>>I do realize that you were trying to goad me into a shouting
>>match,
>
>Hmm.. Really, I see it clearly now...  Thanks Tom, I now see that
>your first post to sell the machine wasn't 'insulting'.  Everyone should
>be treated like they are going to screw you in a deal.  Everyone is
>out to steal from you, Tom, slap them in the face first so they know they
>can't get away with it.  I was quite honestly going to make a reasonable
>offer on the pinball game, it's a great game.  Really Tom, I wasn't
>trying to 'goad you', only to say that if you really have that much
>trouble dealing with people in business matters, a course in interpersonal
>communication might help.
>
>'night
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>Harry Noel  -                grace!wtgdir!Harry_Noel@moscom.com
>Director, World Telecom, Inc.             OR
>CEO, MCCS
>                      moscom.com!amusing!grace!wtgdir!Harry_Noel

     Thanks guys. I've been reading this group for all of 20
minutes now, and I'm already planning to open a "kill" file....

sheesh....take this crap to some other forum where someone gives
a damn, like dev.null.....if you don't like his style of business
dealing, don't buy his stuff!

Nate
--------------------------
Nathan C. Crowell, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering/ACRL

Worcester Polytechnic Institute     E-mail: bigal@wpi.wpi.edu

"We have just enough religion to hate, but not to love
 one another." - Jonathan Swift
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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: playfield layout (secrets of)
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:16:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep2.225912.9221@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> knudsen@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (michael.j.knudsen) writes:
>Nice posting.  Made me realize a WEIRD thing about pinball --
>--unlike a vid game, there is nothing that makes it progressively
>harder to keep a ball on the playfield.
>Think about it.  Surprising that back in the '60s, pin makers
>didn't put in a timer, such that, after the same ball had been in
>play more than 60 seconds or so, gates would open, posts would move,
>flippers would move farther apart, or various other subtle playfield
>changes to increase your chances of losing the ball.

Well, couple o' things:
1) Having posts move, etc. is mechanics. Operators seem to have a hard enough
time maintaining simple things like 'flippers' and 'plungers' let alone
delicate stuff like little moving things here and there. (like 'targets' and
'lights' and stuff :)

2) There is 1 pin that I can think of (recent) that had a 'timed' play- and that
was 'Operation Thunder' (gottleib). That game was evil. There were several
shots in the sequence of event things that you had to hit that if you didn't
hit them in time, your ball would end. Period. Then, if you compleated all the
sequences, your game was over (though there was a setting that would allow
the player to keep playing from the middle of the sequence). It went over
really poorly. I've ever only seen 1 of the things. 

r.
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: xor@acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz)
Subject: Re: TAF bug
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:06:57 GMT

In article <BtvB2C.Ep9@acsu.buffalo.edu> dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti) writes:
>In article <11sysg@rpi.edu> xor@acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz) writes:
>>In article <Btrq71.8Bs@acsu.buffalo.edu> dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti) writes:
>>
>>[tragic story (about spontaneous TAF reset) deleted]
>>
>>It's been a while since anyone has mentioned this bug.  I was beginning to
>>wonder if it was only a problem in the older ROMs...does your machine have
>>the L-3 ROM?  (Has anyone seen this happen on an L-3 machine?)
>
>Unfortunately, I don't know what type of ROM this particular machine had.
>Is there an easy way to tell?  Forgive my ignorance of this topic. :)

Turn the machine off and on again.  (The switch is on the bottom of the
machine, in the front right corner.)  The display will say what revision
the ROM is -- such as L-2, L-3, etc.
-- 
Joe Schwartz (xor@acm.rpi.edu)
From: d91-jal@nada.kth.se (Johan Almen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Non-English pins
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:17:08 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

Steve Robert writes:

|> Can someone tell me whether pins in other countries speak and display
|> in the appropriate language?  How do they handle 'guest star' pins
|> whose stars don't speak (for example) German?
|> 
|> We were wondering specifically about Elvira.  Did they have Elvira
|> herself reading from a phonetic German script, or do they hire
|> a dubbing person, like for the movies?  (For TAF, Raoul Julia 
|> probably could handle Spanish, but I doubt that he speaks Dutch :-) ).
|> 
|> 
|> --
|> Steve Robert, UCSF, Box 0100, S.F.,Ca. 94143  (415) 476-1059

I don't know about Elvira, but since I played a T2 with German speech 
a while ago (in Sweden!!!), I guess they convert all the newer machines. 

Then, of course, I bet Arnie boy can speak German pretty well...  ;)
-- 
_____________________________________________________________________
Johan Almen			  I "I found it hard,	
School of Computer Science        I  it's hard to find.
Royal Institute of Technology     I  Oh well, whatever
Stockholm, Sweden                 I  nevermind."
email: d91-jal@dront.nada.kth.se  I		       - NIRVANA
From: ung@felix.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Williams flippers (was: Re: Dr. Who (First Look) (SPOILERS))
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:25:57 GMT
Reply-To: ung@fritz.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

In article <SBB.92Aug24222041@panix.com> sbb@panix.com (Steve Baumgarten) writes:
|In article <1992Aug20.152618.12239@rtsg.mot.com> iott@rtsg.mot.com (Joel K. Iott) writes:
|
|   ObMaintenanceHeadache: either the 3-level "pinbot", or the flippers
|   going weak and not making the shots up the long playfield

Huh?  3-level "pinbot"?  What do you mean here?

|Has anyone found this (weak Williams flippers) to be a problem lately?
|I think they've licked it with their new solid state flippers.  They
|may suffer from other problems, but in general, they seem much more
|reliable overall than the "classic" flippers.

I think the TAF that used to be around here had flippers that were
going weak.  Maybe they just needed to be cleaned and lubed a little.
This game was a mess.

|I think they did them just right: good feel, good strong flips.  I
|certainly wouldn't want to go back to the flippers on DR. DUDE and
|PARTY ZONE which seemed constantly to need a tune-up in order to get
|the ball up those steep ramps.  In contrast, I've never had a problem
|getting the ball up the Bear Kicks ramp in TAF -- at least from the
|left flipper.

Well, I had a few local ELVIRA games, but one is gone (had a dead
flipper last I checked), one is quite far away and I haven't been
there in a while, and one has really, really sad flippers.  They
appear to be totally out of whack.  I think the angle is off, the
speed is off, and they flip funny.  If I didn't know better, I'd
call them DataEast flippers.  At least the hold the ball (unlike
some DE flippers where the ball lands and the flipper gives).  Now
these are the original Bally yellow-colored flippers, which look
nice.  It looks really weird to see an ELVIRA game with one Bally
and one Williams flipper, although both Williams' flippers don't
look too bad.  They're still not quite as decorative, though.
Anyway, these flippers were weak, I might have been able to nail
the skull, with enough patience, but nothing in the world would
ever let me claim my Boogie Bonus :-( ... the ball would never
get that high.  Too bad, it's my favorite shot on the entire
playfield ("Thank you Boys").

|    Steve Baumgarten       |  "New York... when civilization falls apart,
|    PANIX, New York, NY    |   remember, we were way ahead of you."
|                           |  
|    Email: sbb@panix.com   |                            - David Letterman

Bill Ung
  ung@filenet.com

Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: bbs-garfield@jwt.UUCP (David Eison)
Subject: Re: Pinball Music (was Re: Lethal Cows)
Reply-To: bbs-garfield@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 13:47:02 GMT
Keywords: more music more music more music

adoerfer@bk2000.pko.dec.com (_bill) writes:

> Here You Come Again, Satisfaction, Jumpin Jack Flash, Miss You, When the
> Whip Comes Down, The Merry-go-round Broke Down, Addams Family Theme,
> Theme from Close Encounters, Theme from "Rocky", Theme from Gilligan's Island
> Hail to the Chief, Anchors Aweigh, 1812 Overture, Theme from "Rollergames"
> Louie Louie, Tequil, Shout, Shake?, 96 Tears, Wipe Out, Theme from "Get Smart
> Secret Agent Man, Mission Impossible, Nobody Does it Better, Theme from
> "Dr. Who".  If each tune were 3 minutes that's 75 minutes, pick up the

Wow.  Talk about a long list... But could someone add what machines they 
were on?  I'd find that VERY interesting... Some of them I could probably 
guess, but I'd still like to know where all those songs are...

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David Eison - Garfield           bbs-garfield@jwt.uucp
I'm not writing a message.  These words are just here to take up space.
From: d91-jal@nada.kth.se (Johan Almen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Pinball Music (was Re: Lethal Cows)
Keywords: more music more music more music
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:20:52 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden


Don't forget "You could be mine", Gn'R, on T2.

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________
Johan Almen			  I "I found it hard,	
School of Computer Science        I  it's hard to find.
Royal Institute of Technology     I  Oh well, whatever
Stockholm, Sweden                 I  nevermind."
email: d91-jal@dront.nada.kth.se  I		       - NIRVANA
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: jrhine@jarthur.claremont.edu (Jared Rhine)
Subject: Parts supplier info request
Keywords: faq?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:37:43 GMT

While I assume this is a faq, it must have expired on this machine.  I
would very much like any information anyone may have regarding the
names and phone numbers of suppliers of parts for pinball machines.  I
have a Bally Nightrider.  I have apparently been put in charge of its
repair and know next to nothing about how to fix it.  It seems to have
a malfunctioning logic wheel.  Sort of like the gear isn't putting out
enough torque.  I will try oiling it, checking the voltages, but I'm
pretty sure I need to replace something, either to gear (I think it is
a gear) or the thing that drives the gear (can anyone help me out with
its name?)  Are such parts still available?

Thanks for any time and help you might render.

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From: ung@felix.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: TAF bug
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:24:22 GMT
Reply-To: ung@fritz.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

In article <BtvB2C.Ep9@acsu.buffalo.edu> dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti) writes:
|In article <11sysg@rpi.edu> xor@acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz) writes:
||In article <Btrq71.8Bs@acsu.buffalo.edu> dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti) writes:
||
||[tragic story (about spontaneous TAF reset) deleted]
||
||It's been a while since anyone has mentioned this bug.  I was beginning to
||wonder if it was only a problem in the older ROMs...does your machine have
||the L-3 ROM?  (Has anyone seen this happen on an L-3 machine?)
|
|Unfortunately, I don't know what type of ROM this particular machine had.
|Is there an easy way to tell?  Forgive my ignorance of this topic. :)

Power cycling the game will usually tell you (on newer games).  Use the
little switch just under the lower-right hand of the game (directly under
the plunger), slam-tilt or unplug the game and plug it back in.

|"They like you very much, but they are not the hell your whales." - STIV

The hell they aren't.  :-)

Bill Ung
  ung@filenet.com

Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball,misc.forsale,ne.forsale
From: knudsen@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (michael.j.knudsen)
Subject: Re: Terminator 2 pinball machine for sale
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:07:14 GMT
Followup-To: rec.games.pinball

In article <1992Aug24.022311.5275@a.cs.okstate.edu>, boggs@a.cs.okstate.edu (BOGGS RICHARD GRAN) writes:
> Boy, this guy sounds real friendly.  I'm real inclinded to buy from him.

Granted, it reads harsh, but I suspect that Tom got burnt once in the past
by helping a buyer move the pin, and after setting it up at the new
location, the buyer pointed to some scratch/ding/gouge and whined about
"hey you didn't show me that one, or I'd have paid less."
No way either side could prove whether it was there before or not,
tho it's really the buyer's job to look for such things first.
[BTW the above is all speculation as to Tom Y's past experience,
but you can see his point now, I think.]

So by refusing to touch the machine after the sale, Tom is protected
against later damage, or the touchy situation where you're both carrying
the thing and it drops.  I mean, gets dropped -- but not clear whose fault.
So now who eats how much of the loss in value?

I bought a really unique antique machine, we were both loading it into my
car, and a major piece slid out and took visible damage.  Whaddya do?
I wanted to stay on friendly terms, so I didn't remind him that I tried
to insert a loose bolt into the thing in his garage and he said "Aw,
let's just carry it."  If we were less friendly, Northeastern Y-types,
and the pin was worth over 2 grand,
we could have ended up slapping leather and drawing our lawyers.

A seller of fine pins *can* take the *opposite* approach just as well.
I bought a beautifully reconditioned Pharoah from Ted Estes,
and he insisted I do nothing to help as he carted it to his truck,
dollied it down my basement stairs, set it up, and checked it out.
His price included this local delivery, and he wanted to make sure
any damage was *all his* liability.

Tom wants it to be *all yours.*  Both avoid arguments and recriminations
between strangers equally well.  The key word is "all."
-- 
"R-E-C-P-E-K-T -- that's what Quayle won't give to me!"
  Programmers Do It on paper.  So do puppies.
	knudsen@iexist.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: bbs-garfield@jwt.UUCP (David Eison)
Subject: High Speed II Shifting Question
Reply-To: bbs-garfield@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:52:45 GMT

I have played a few games of High Speed 2, and whenever it said shift I'd 
slam the shifter down... I just read a message about up-shifting... I'm 
confused now.  When you shift, should you go up or down, and how do you 
know, or does it matter?  Also, are there any times you should shift when 
it doesn't tell you to?  Just wondering...

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From: Harry_Noel@wtgdir.UUCP (Harry Noel)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball,misc.forsale,ne.forsale
Subject: Re: Terminator 2 pinball machine for sale
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 12:45:02 EST
Organization: MCCS
Reply-To: grace!wtgdir!Harry_Noel@moscom.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4

> I'm selling this game to make room for a new acquisition. I can't spend a
> lot of time answering questions, >   -  If you've never seen this game before, please don't ask me to describe
>      it to you. There are huge numbers of them out there. If T2 is
>      unfamiliar to you, go find one and play the life out of it before you
>      write me about this one.
>   -  What to do: Send me a mail message (see the end of this message for
>      addresses) with your top offer, and short details about how you plan
>      to get the game to you. If you're planning to come pick it up, give me
>      an approximate date. No haggling or bidding wars--one message with
>      your best offer is all I need.
>   -  Don't bother: ...sending me messages with questions and no offer;
>      griping to me or to the net about my price or my terms (they're mine--
>      if you don't like them, don't buy the game); asking about terms other
>      than cash up front--no payment plans, rentals, or "check's in the
>      mail."
> 
> I'm sorry if all this sounds harsh, but I've opened my house to too many
> dabblers who just want to play several hours of free pinball and then go
> home to dream about it. 

Hmm... I guess you bought the pinball machine because no one else
would play with you because of your personality???

I offer 50 bucks but I was wondering if I could take a look at it
first.  :-)

Have a nice day Tom, but I doubt you will.


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Harry Noel  -                grace!wtgdir!Harry_Noel@moscom.com
Director, World Telecom, Inc.             OR
CEO, MCCS
                      moscom.com!amusing!grace!wtgdir!Harry_Noel
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