HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Change in spelling of Chinese names
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:30:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1992Sep15.181038.28892@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> (RRobert M Sanders) writes:

>The pinyin (not 'pin yin') convention for dealing with words in which there 
>might be ambiguity as to where to parse the syllable is to insert an apostrophe
>into the boundary separating the two syllables. 

This "Pinyin" system does not give advantage to English speaker. It is a ironclad
rule to put Chinese word pronounciation to equivalent English alphabetic. Still,
there is no equivalent between Chinese and western pronounication (Chinese is so
unique in some pronouniciations). In fact it makes English speaking people more
confusion in learning Chinese. To those interested in learning Chinese have to
get down the details of Pinyin system. If you skip that step, you are still not
able to pronounce Chinese correctly. For instance, He (ho), Shanxi and Shannxi,
den and deng, cui, cong, zhxxx,...., what sense to make an English speaking 
person pronounce Chinese correctly?  No, N O .
From: qinyi@uk.ac.man.cs (Yi Qin (BCW PhD))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Help needed to get Ge2 Ming4 Ge1 Qu3 from dale.ssc.gov
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:53:46 GMT
Organization: University of Manchester, UK


As some of you may have learnt that the latest issue of HXWZ
introduced an ftp site for downloading the Chinese songs. I
tried to log into that site, but my request was denied. Can
anybody check if it is really open to the public, or I need
to have the account name?

Thanks

qinyi@cs.man.ac.uk
From: lcai@rwja.umdnj.edu (Li Cai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anaonymous mail(DengXPing@beijing.china.etc)
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:05:47 GMT
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ


Sorry, I am not sure what is the question, can you make more clearer?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chuanjun@engin.umich.edu (Chuanjun Yan)
Subject: test
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 14:21:41 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa



This is a test.



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From: cyc@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: F-16's fear?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:19:20 GMT

>   Taiwan's air force will get 150 F-16 and enhance
>its defence ability in a few years. Will it break
>the military ratio of two sides of Taiwan Channel?
>No, of course not. F-16 is not strategic weapon.
>It has some kind of superior features and probably
>could win in some dog-fights. But mainland won't 
>not stop its military modernization. They are and
>will be producing more and more sophisticated
>weapons besides importing from other countries.
>   And today's war don't depend only on the traditional
>weapons, there are many kinds of short, mid, long-rang
>missiles, nuke or not nuke heads.(terrible!)
>So I don't think CG will get fear, on strategy, about 
>US-Taiwan F-16 deal, but will anger for USA not respect
>to China.
>   As many posters pointed out, arm race is no good
>for both sides. We don't like to see another Chinese
>civil war(instead of invasion or anti-invasion).
>   BTW, F-16 will change nothing, so I like to remind a  
>dear Tainwan netter, Mr.C, don't say this without thinking
>

As I have pointed out before, TIers only want to defend themselves from 
the attack of any other aggressive countries. Considering the island
natural of Taiwan, air superiority will certainly gaurantee 100% free from
invasion. Did any body ever heard TIers saying to attack other countries ?
Tiers only need superior air force to protect themselves, that's all they
want. Yet, some people still criticize TIers as warmonger. Then who is not
a warmonger ? Probably, only unarmed meat and ready to be slaughtered by
Chinese will be considerrd not as a warmonger. 
  
Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Insensitive mainland chauvinist view. (Was: Who Cares 150 F-16s.)
    <1992Sep11.223403.9443@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:03:12 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>> Don't be so sure, learn something about US civil war. I begain to understand
>> why Americans are still talking about this a lot nowadays.

>Why shall we alway copy the US? Each time we discuss something about China, you  
	Learning is not copy. We are learning here, that is why.
>guys often compare the issue with that in the US. The US is not the standard. 

>As for the US civil war, if you had let all the black people vote then, I think  
>the majority of the population in the south would have support Lincoln's  
>decision. Do you know the difference? Think about it!
	Do you know even today, black people is till minority. Do you know
	how many of them vote today?

>Carl
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Date: 11 Sep 1992 17:44:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <88514@netnews.upenn.edu> minzhi@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Min-Zhi Shao) writes:
>
>No.  From what I read in the recent People's Daily, I have never seen the
>Chinese government is so angry to the Bush administration, or any one since
>
How could people get information from a 2-sheet small page newspaper like
people's daily. The Chinese newspaper published in free world has 6-10
sheets in big page and two big pages covering CCP news. What is more reliable?

While I was in Beijing in the deal time, the media of Beijing reacted like
a mad dog, yelled as if a crazy one day by day.

>They finally realized that they are dealing with a government
>which has no credit, both politically and financially, and with a man who
>can sacrifice his nation's long term interests just for saving his own job.
>
They may have come to a point that CCP has no credit at all in any respect.
So, why blame anybody else? If you are strong, you will be respected. If you
are lousy, anybody can step on you. 

CCP can kill its own people with tanks, what deserves respect from others?
The CCP history is merely a page of killing, sending people to battle field
without weapon to be killed without notice, killing comrades to maintain
firm power, setting high slogan to fool people to kill each other like that
in CR,......


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Why don't you stay ?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:51:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.020912.23248@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes...
> 
>In article <13SEP199210432939@phobos.ucc.umass.edu>, s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes...
>>In article <1992Sep11.091557.11196@nuscc.nus.sg>, elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang) writes...
>> 
>>None of the above you mentioned represents SOVEREIGNTY. Hong Kong has
>>all the above you mentioned, but nobody would say it is a independent
>>country. Everybody knows that it is a colony of Great Britain. Most
>>of the people in today's world know the problem of Taiwan: it is the
>>result of the WWII and the cold war. Most people in this world would 
>>not say it is a LEGITIMATE, SOVEREIGN country. 
> 
>>None of the above you mentioned represents SOVEREIGNTY. Hong Kong has
>>all the above you mentioned, but nobody would say it is a independent
>>country. Everybody knows that it is a colony of Great Britain. Most
>>of the people in today's world know the problem of Taiwan: it is the
>>result of the WWII and the cold war. Most people in this world would 
>>not say it is a LEGITIMATE, SOVEREIGN country. 
> 
>If based on your theory, PRC was NOT a LEGITIMATE, SOVEREIGN country until 
>she entered UN. Do you agree? If so, what was she?

Beijing entered UN after she was recognized by more than half of the
UN members. However, before she entered UN, she was considered by UN
the rebel of the KMT government. Again, the point is not what you
think you are but what the others think you are.
c.q.
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Polite: the basis of democracy
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:00:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

etwz@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
>To be polite is the basis of democracy. Only by being polite we show

Why is not the oposite correct? Not to be polite is the basis of
democracy, make a comparison of Japan and USA, you can see why
I made such a statement.

>our respect to other people as to ourselves. Even point of views are
>different, we still try to be polite and try to hurt others less.
>When point of views and interests are very conflict, we still try to
>be polite to avoid physical conflect or wars.

My understanging is that, that depends on how different your views
are, we should always use the most efficient way of communication,
remember Conficius' "bu4 xie4 zhi1 jiao4"?  
say for Nazi, they think other races are inferior to them, 
and they want to get rid of other races,
can you still be polite to them? In that circumstance, we should
win the war with them (that means killing instead of talking),
in my opinion, in that circumstace, war becomes the most efficient
way to communicate with them.

>I know I have a bad temper. This is not an excuse. I regret that I
>flamed others and hurt them. I am willing to learn to be polite
>and to be a gentleman.

Not important.

>I am not disapointed in Chinese, but I know it needs a long time.
>I appeal the netters to be polite to each other as a start. If
>non-Chinese people wants help, please teach me how to be polite.
>Many thanks.

Chinese are too polite. They use push-hands too much.

>Weimin Zhang
>University of South Australia

Ze Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: BNN News
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:59:40 GMT

In article <Bu0zs1.8II@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> I990002@UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (T. Bao) writes:
>
>BNN(Business Network News) News (3 Sep 92 19:15 EDT) :
>
>[...]

First I was puzzled by this news report which is one of the most ridiculous
ones I ever read.  Then realizing it's written by a "Kmart" agent, or a
reporter (a bottom class reporter) on "Kmart" payroll, I read it again
having some fun, wondering how much this report actually helped "Kmart",
if not causing damages.  But damage or help, this reporter surely could
expect some award from "Kmart", because, to "Kmart", what really counts
is his/her loyalty.

-ping

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: Anonymous mail
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 05 Sep 1992 13:23:09 GMT

In article <12345Aug30@Beijing.China.etc> DengXPing@beijing.china.etc writes:
>No, I'm not from UCI.
>
>Th e point I want to make here is thtat the person at UIC who claims
>that he can trace to anyone who sends anonymous mail is not correct.
>
>Even you can trace to where the message originates from, it's still
>uncertain to know who send it.
>

Please stop this game. If you guys think that you have the script
to modify your account name and sender address, etc and are ready
to start a flood of anonymous postings, please think again. A while
ago, there was a guy who did this on SCT- using a false identity to
send letter to his opponent's boss and ddo other personal attack. Guess
what? He was tracked down to the time (the day, hour and second) he
logged on his machine. Unless you are a system manager, you need to
worry about the log file. 

Chou1
From: zhu@athena.mit.edu (Erin Zhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Importation Regulations
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:04:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

If anyone is familiar with the importation regulations into China of
electronic items (for example, legality of importing camcorders, as
well as the categorization of "big" or "small" items), any word of
enlightenment would be much appreciated.  A friend is visiting China
soon and would like to know what she can take tax-free.  Please reply
by email if possible.  Thanks in advance,

  --Erin
From: tang@riemann.math.purdue.edu (Puqi Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Mid-Autumn Festival in Purdue
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:20:02 GMT
Organization: Purdue University, West Lafayette, Ind.


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From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Insensitive mainland chauvinist view. (Was: Who Cares 150 F-16s.)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:53:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.182147.6618@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> 
> >Yes! I am the guy who asked Chinese to build a strong China. The point is,  
> >through what kind of path. I think the most important issures are still  
> >democracy and realistic economic policy. Without them, you really can not  
> >realize your goal to build a strong China. I don't think Guangdong or Fujian  
or  
> >Yunan or Heilongjiang will ask for independence at the mount (hopefully  
never)  
> >because people there still won't choose to be independent. If China doesn't  
> >change it's current system, sooner or later, there will be more and more  
people  
> >want to leave. Then CG will not be able to stop them. The reason why people  
> >still choose to stay there is because the situation is still tolerable. If  
the  
> >countries around us continue developing while we are still further left  
behind  
> >using so-called "China's special situation" as an excuse, if CG continues  
it's  
> >oppressing policy, then I bet more and more people will choose to break  
away.
> 
> >Don't blame others. 
> 
> >Carl
> 

> Are you sure after getting democracy, ex-Soviet prople like to get together?


They are not like Chinese. The former USSR consists of large populations of  
different peoples. If they want to seperate, it's their choices.

> Are you sure there were a lot of warlords in early 20th was not because that
> Sun Zhong Shan wanted to build democracy, and he even let one of them got
> the position of President, who later declared to be an emperor? Are you sure

There were a lot of warlords in the 1920s not because of Mr. Sun's policy  
towards democracy,  but because of the ancient tradition of Chinese culture. If  
you are afraid of this, then China will have no hope!

> Bei3 Fa2 (operation of north atack) was a democratic election campion?
> Are you telling us at that time Chinese should have elected their
> representitive? What would happen if they did not elect the warlord?

If they elect warlords, then let the warlords be the representitive. Why do you  
think that Chinese people will elect warlords? Trust them. Put confidence on  
Chinese people. If a warlord is elected by a REAL election, then this warlord  
has something that people trust.
 
> Are you sure US also has this 'China's special situation'?
> Are you sure during US civil war, South did not vote for independent? Why  
they
> wanted to? I bet you will say Lincoln did not respect the people of South.

If you had let all the black people in the south vote at that time, you would  
see that the majority of the southern population would support Lincoln. 

> Use the brain when speaking.

Use you brain please!


Carl
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese culture
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:27:37 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <79610@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
> In article <1992Sep11.222444.9195@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >Don't blame people for not traditional. If we  
> >keep traditional, our country will stay where she is now forever without  
> >progress.
> 
> With a 8% per year GDP growth, China is definitely changing.  Some of
> those changes (more money) are good.  Some of those changes (more
> corruption) are bad.  On the whole, I'd say that there are more good
> changes than bad ones.
> 
> >Why? that land is too old and dry like our old  
> >culture. No matter how hard you dig, there is little the culture can offer 
> >in this modern era.  
> 
> Chinese culture offers two things.  First of all, it offers about 5000
> years of experience into how people behave.  Chinese culture can be
> thought of partly as a huge living database of information, and with
> this database you can avoid making the same mistakes as earlier
> people.  Second, Chinese culture offers a point of stability in what
> is an unstable world.  

Well, because you are drowned in this huge database, you have relatively less  
chance to look outside the database. You are more likely satisfied with this  
database and cease to search for information about the new world. Mao was very  
good at Chinese history but unfortunally he tried hard to use the old ways that  
people used hundreds years ago to treat the issues in the contemporary world.  
Finally, he slipped back to the old way and regarded himself as an emperor and  
his comrades as his ministers. 

Yes, Chinese culture does offer a point of stability. It has its advantage.  
However, its disadvantage is that people under this culture are reluctant to  
change. As long as they don't starve to death, they are not willing to try  
something new. Even many of them did starve to death (such as in early 1960s),  
they would still like to tolerate. 


> 
> >Yes, the old Chinese culture is our ancester's culture. 
> >But why should we stick to it? 
> >Why not search somewhere else for something new. (as in the film, move  
> >down hill where there is plenty of water). Why?
> 
> Where do you suggest looking?  The West has a lot of problems of its
> own.
> 
> 

Japan is a good example. She learns very quickly from the outside world and  
meantime still keeps her best part of her traditional culture. Japanese are not  
afraid of being humble when they learn. 

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Specification of F-16, SU-27 (I)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:15:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.142630.7956@linus.mitre.org>, 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes...
> 
>>   PROC(Mainland)
>>     1). purchased about 24 SU-27 fighters last year.
>>     2). bought 72 SU-27 and 24 MIG-31 interceptors early this year.
>>     3). acquired the right to license-production of 200+ MIG-31
> 
>Why they want to acquire the right to license-production of 200+ MIG-31
>instead of MiG-29 or Su-27??  MiG-31 is not an air-superiority fighter.  It
>is only a interceptor with surveillance cappability. 
> 

For defence, if you believe that. 
c.q.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:59:00 GMT

In article <LXr-4G@engin.umich.edu>, chyang@sussex.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes...
> 
>In article <10SEP199215495996@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>, s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
>> In article <BuCEr5.JB9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes...
>> >It takes at least five years to deliver all 150 F-16s.
>> >With 150 F-16s, Taiwanese is still not strong enough to
>> >attack mainland people. Without F-16s, if Taiwanese want
>> >independence, would mainland resort to millitary action?
>> >I think not. Why should mainland risk so much for this
>> >island? Mainland people will not live better with the
>> >"liberation" of Taiwan. After five years, these plans
>> >may be nothing but toys. After all, the American are not
>> >selling technology to build the plans. Also these plans
>> >are not the first grade fighters (F-16 C/D is more advanced).
>> > 
>> >These Taiwanese are rich. You cannot prevent them from
>> >spending the 4 billion dollars. I guess if mainland had
>> >such money and mainland were not communist country, American
>                  -----------------------------------
> 
>	If the mainland were not communist, we would not have
>any of this problem that we are having now, would we?!  
> 
>	If the mainland were not communist, we wouldn't have 
>"Two China's and a TI".  We'd have one country.  Heck!  We'd
>be making our own fighters.  Other nations would probably be
>buying them from us.
> 
>	But too bad, the mainland is communist, that is why we
>are in the mess we are in today.  Just my comment for the moment.
> 
>- Yang
==================================================================

True, Beijing is still calling itself a communist government.
But in fact what is practicing in Beijing does not have too much
smell of communism. If you agree that South Africa is long
way from democracy, you would agree that Beijing is far far
away from communism.
c.q.
==================================================================
> 
>  
>> >would be willing to sell F-16 to mainland more eagerly
>> >than to Taiwan. In that case I would still prefer to use
>> >the 4 billion for something else instead of buying these
>> >toys for a few pilots.
>> > 
>> >I think the Chinese government is over worried and the
>> >Taiwanese is over joyed. What a big deal!
>> > 
>> >Xiao Li
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