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From: ben@NeoSoft.com (Ben Ettinger)
Subject: Re: SST bites again (was Let's help out negitvland!)
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:35:55 GMT

> Not pot, just plain old grass.  Hope you didn't try to SMOKE it, Ben!
<g> No, I didn't buy it.. I don't think I would have tried anyways, to tell you 
the truth.. One only makes that mistake several times before he starts to
realize it. =)

> Yes, this is how Negativland packaged it; as I'm sure you noticed it also
> included a couple of big maps, a "NO OTHER POSSIBILITY" bumpersticker, and
> other "goodies".  All copies, both LP and CD, came with the goodies.  All
> copies (both LP and CD) of the first album have handmade covers as well.
Glad to hear that. I'm going to start looking around for it.

> By the way -- I've seen several local stores with seriously jacked prices
> on the Negativland reissue CDs.  Don't pay more than $12 or $13 -- that's
> what you can get them for from Negativmailorderland, and the band gets a
> bigger cut that way too.
Yea, that's another thing, I probably won't need to I suppose. I just sent a 
letter to Negativemailorderland yesterday. I can't wait to get the catalog. I
have volume 2 and 3 of Over the Edge and two Negativland CD's. Over the edge is
wild. I crack up every time I listen to each one.

later,
ben.
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From: "steve campbell" <steve.campbell@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: cab voltaire records
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:29:38 EST
Reply-To: "steve campbell" <steve.campbell@canrem.com>
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Organization: Canada Remote Systems

To: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU

PE>Sensoria
PE>Crackdown/Just Fascination
PE>Keep On (Sweet Exorcist mix)
PE>Don't Argue
PE>Drink Gasoline 2x12" Promo in Standard Sleeve
PE>Crackdown
PE>Covenant,Sword,...

PE>Make me a reasonable offer! They are all in Excellent condition.
PE>Paul

Would you take CDN$40 + shipping for all of the above?

Sincerely,
Steve.Campbell@canrem.com 
Ottawa, Canada
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From: jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young)
Subject: HAH ha ha
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:46:11 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: a bad (dumb) joke
>moon!cyberden!flesh@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>
>>Q: What's the difference between a retired prostitute and a rave?
>
>>A: disco *still* sucks.
>
Hey I like this one,at least there is someone else out there that realize's that rave
is just Bi sexual/gay disco music of the 90's!

Soooo.....Eat that "X",go sterile,and get your free complimentary AIDS from drinking
that passed around water!...       
BUT a least it keeps the mutant's off the street's!
		Flame away F@gs
			THE POPE
From: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Delerium
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:40:44 GMT
Reply-To: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Organization: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science

And lo, westr@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Robert _FinnAgain_ West) spake unto the masses saying:
>
> One song even sounds like Bill & Rhys's demo tape for
> _The_Last_Temptation_Of_X_!

Ah, that must be from _Stone Tower_ aka "Bill And Rhys Go After Peter
Gabriel's _The Passion_ With A Sampler".

Good album though.

--
		      Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk
			   "Click click drone."
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From: zrubek@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ZRUBEK PETER F)
Subject: Re: MOSHING TO JANES'
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:30:00 GMT

dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe) writes:


>In article <1992Jul19.193844.15521@athena.cs.uga.edu> houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk) writes:

>>Well, this whole argument is pretty silly, Fact is, moshing is as passe as,
>>say, dry ice...so y'all can mosh if you want to, but pogoing is the wave of
>>the future...(shoot, shouldn't have told y'all that - now everyone will be
>>jumping up and down to Pearl Jam...damn!)

>HEY! 
>YOu can mosh if you want to

If you respect what industrial is you will stand quietly and listen and
feel what the band is doing...
If you are a over-reactionary, animalistic, chaotic, beat driven, 
and basically unaware of what industrial is, go ahead and mosh, or try rave
or hardcore or something else.
I watched Ogre walk off the stage, pissed as hell while the people in the
audience shout in some unknowing worshiping tone "Nevik..! ! !"
This, mind you, occured right after a very empashioned performance of
"VX Gas Attack"
I think that if you have some IDEA about what industrial music stands for
you might consider feeling the tone and respect what a band is saying not
jump around and slam into each other in some foolish, animal, cult-dance.
There is a real world, easy to forget when all that you hear is a beat.

John 
cairnsj@ucsu.colorado.edu

I invite flames!!  So go ahead.
From: 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Screw?
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:16:58 GMT

Does anybody have any info on a band called Screw?  I heard a song of theirs
("Burn In Water/Drown In Flame") while passing through Toledoe (sorry-I'm
from Huntington, Indiana) a couple weeks back.  Tres cool...Metallica meets
Ministry meets Front 242 meets...God knows whomever else...
	So...albums?  Singles?  Where can I get them???  HEEEELP!

Ambassador Spock
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From: mwilkenf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sid)
Subject: Re: Screw?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:38:03 GMT

abancrof@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (audrey frances bancroft) writes:
>00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>>Does anybody have any info on a band called Screw?  I heard a song of theirs
>>("Burn In Water/Drown In Flame") while passing through Toledoe (sorry-I'm
>>from Huntington, Indiana) a couple weeks back.  Tres cool...Metallica meets
>>Ministry meets Front 242 meets...God knows whomever else...
>>	So...albums?  Singles?  Where can I get them???  HEEEELP!
>
>The band is Skrew, and _Burning in Water, Drowning in Flame_ is the
>name of the album.
>
>We got it into IU's radio station over a month ago and it's still not
>out to be played!!! 
>
What the Hell?  IU has three radio stations.... WQAX and WIUS.  WQAX added
it two months ago, WIUS hasn't added anything that says Metal on it all
summer they are saving it for this Fall.... WQAX is on the ball, don't
give us a bad rap and remember the TWO college stations that service IU!

>-- 
>"He wished a mad dog or a tramp..would attack Millie, so that he 
> could express in wild action what he could not put into words."  
>                                                 Warwick Deeping 
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From: djm@progress.COM (Dave McMahon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: REQUEST: LYRICS TO 'TV SONG'
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:59:31 GMT
Organization: Progress Software Corp.

bp271@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew N. Sharp) writes:

>I am genuinely curious - 
>Why do people ask for things like the lyrics to a song
>or the "samples" used in a song?

[Matt Sharp wit and attitude(TM) deleted]

>Amazed,
>and famous,
>Matthew.

HEEEEE's BAAAAACK...
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From: bp271@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew N. Sharp)
Subject: Samples, Semantics, Death of "Industrial" "Music"
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 04:22:11 GMT





Point One:
	The word "sample" is overused and misinterpreted among
	the geeks that post to this group.  Samples are not
	restricted to the vocal clip soundbites which you seem
	to hold them as being synonymous with.  Most drum sounds,
	and other instrumental noises you hear on the average
	buttgeek Skinny Puppy or Ministry record are samples.  Two
	seconds of sound is two seconds of sound.  if I had the 
	time I would post a comprehensive list of "samples" to
	any record by one of these "music" groups, howevere I do not,
	and furthermore, the very concept of having to listen to
	the trash again nauseates me greatly.

If you mean "snagged vocal clip'art'" say something other than
"sample", as "sample" is too vague a term to define what you are
babbling about.



I give "industrial" "music" two more years to die out completely,
only to be replaced by some other moronic genre of Angry Young Man
music that white suburban/subhuman geeks will buy, desparately
grasping for some form of "expression" to identify with, unable
to understand anything outside the realm of popculture.

I have a friend in the business who holds this same view.
Be advised: if you wish to make money from the "industrial"
"movement", do it now, or be forever banished to play what will
be considered shortly, if it isn't now, passe.

And isn't that what it all boils down to, anyway?



Love,
Matthew
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From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Horatio Gadsplatt III)
Subject: Lolla II in Seattle: Review
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:45:57 GMT



Well, the Lolla II show was in Seattle (Bremerton) yesterday, and it
was generally a pretty cool time.  The order was pretty much as expected 
for the first four bands:

Lush, Pearl Jam, JAMChain, SoundGarden, but then Ice Cube missed their spot,
and Ministry came on after a one hour+ break, and got to play only about
50 minutes before Ice Cube finally showed up (delayed at the border) and
got to play 20 minutes..



They really should have just given Ministry the extra 40 minutes.  Ice Cube
really blew large smelly goaats, and Ministry was really the only
band that had any energy to their stuff....



I don't really like the Red Hot Chili Peppers, but I at least expected  a
pretty decent show from them.  In gereal, they were dull.

Still, great day, great way to waste a full 8 hours work....

Awesome.

Marc 'em.
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From: bonness@cae.wisc.edu (Matthew Bonness)
Subject: Re: Screw?
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:38:43 CDT

In article <1992Jul22.131658.8809@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>Does anybody have any info on a band called Screw?  I heard a song of theirs
>("Burn In Water/Drown In Flame") while passing through Toledoe (sorry-I'm
>from Huntington, Indiana) a couple weeks back.  Tres cool...Metallica meets
>Ministry meets Front 242 meets...God knows whomever else...

...meets 3rd Bass (on the rap-like track "Poisonous"). I really
like _Burning in Water, Drowning in Flame_, it's very heavy and
fast paced, kind of a Ministry with lots of cool bleepy sounds
thrown in for good measure. My favorite tracks are the title track,
"Cold Water Press," "Charlemagne," and "Gemini" (which has a   
tribute to "Burning Inside" for Alien aficionados). I noticed
in the liner notes a name that pops up in _Psalm 69_ too - Mike Scaccia.
Anyone know about him?
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From: bp271@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew N. Sharp)
Subject: Re: MOSHING TO INDUSTRIAL
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 03:41:50 GMT




John (cairnsj@ucsu.colorado.edu) writes;
>I thi that if you have some IDEA about what industrial music stands
>for you might consider feeling the tone and respect what a band is 
>saying not jump around and slam into each other in some foolish,
>animal, cult-dance.


First of all, the above is a poor sentence.
Furthermore, I do not think that you have the same IDEof what
"industrial" "music" stands for that it's "creators" did.
I could be guessing incorrectly as to your IDEA, but if it corresponds
to the Skinny Puppy "IDEA" of what "industrial" "music" stands for,
I believe I have a good leg to stand on.

Ask Genesis P--Orridge about animals sometime...
especially composite animals.

John continues;
>                      There is a real world, easy to forget when all
>you hear is a beat.

There is a real world out there, [which is] easy to forget when you
dress like a geek and shell out fifteen dollars to go see other
geeks stand in front of you and bitch about the real world which they
know nothing about.


John Walter (john.walter@bville.gts.org) writes;
> ...

Nevermind.  It just isn't worth it.



Love,
Matthew, Your Better.
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From: cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (a.stranger)
Subject: Re: Luc Van Acker
Originator: cms2839@ultb
Organization: Minimalist Music for Hyperactive Children (MMHC)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:16:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.175530.16956@ms.uky.edu> diane@mik.uky.edu (diane lynn benham) writes:
>Can anybody tell me what group he was/is in other than RevCo?
>
				he's got a solo song on the
_Animal_Liberation_ compilation ( Hunter ) . there's a lot of good music
on this tape , but this , IMHO , isn't among it .

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From: weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman)
Subject: Re: Help: My Life w/ the Thrill Kill Kult
Keywords: recommendations:
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:56:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.033337.20168@socrates.umd.edu> tara@socrates.umd.edu (Tara McDermott) writes:
>I don't know much about this group, except to suspect that I would
>probably like it.  How much of an influence does AJ have on them?  Is
>he the whole band, or what?  

Uncle Al is not a member of MLWTTKK, otherwise they would be on Sire, not 
Interscope (or East/West, or whatever the hell major they signed to). He
never was. As far as I know, he had nothing to do with the band, apart from
being on the same label (Wax Trax!).

>If I was going to buy an album, what would you suggest as the best
>album?  

_Confessions_Of_A_Knife..._, without question. An absolutely phenomenal effort.
The rest of their output pales in comparison. You can get the "Kooler Than
Jesus" CD also, which compiles their first three 12"s.

>Are the songs "Tonight we Murder" and "Smothered Hope" originally by
>them, or by Ministry (I found them on 12" single B-sides of Ministry
>songs)? 

"Smothered Hope" is originally by Skinny Puppy. Dunno about TWM, although the
phrase is used on the cover art and in one of the songs on _Confessions_.

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From: dormitze@vssad.enet.dec.com (Paul Dormitzer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Techno/Rave vs. Industrial
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:30:03 GMT
Reply-To: dormitze@vssad.enet.dec.com (Paul Dormitzer)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


When people ask me "what is techno", "what is industrial", etc, I tend to
classify it as follows:

    house evolved from R&B, replacing guitars (etc) with synthesizers
    industrial dance evolved from rock 'n roll, same comment
    techno took the industrial beats and house instrumentals

Pure industrial (as opposed to industrial dance) doesn't really fit into this
scheme.  Likewise, 'hard-edged' techno doesn't have much to do with house, but
I think the industrial beats part is still fairly accurate.

Paul
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From: mwilkenf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sid)
Subject: Re: Screw?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:34:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.131658.8809@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>Does anybody have any info on a band called Screw?  I heard a song of theirs
>("Burn In Water/Drown In Flame") while passing through Toledoe (sorry-I'm
>from Huntington, Indiana) a couple weeks back.  Tres cool...Metallica meets
>Ministry meets Front 242 meets...God knows whomever else...

Ministry meets Ministry. Al even plays on the album
Burning in Water, Drowning in Flame which is on Metal Blade.
It is good if you like Ministry Clones.  I like it.
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From: douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette)
Subject: Re: reggae industrial
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:51:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.154002.3531@bradley.bradley.edu> dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>tmcfarla@fraser.sfu.ca (Tara McFarlane) writes:
>
>>so far as i know, all of those records suggested were produced by adrian 
>>sherwood, and hence have that distinctive on-u sound. 
>
>Actually, Sherwood only produced the track "More and Faster" on _UAIOE_ by
>KMFDM, I believe.  The rest they did on their own.  If this is wrong, I'm
>sure someone will correct me. =-)

  When I heard an interview with Sasha on the radio a while back he said that
he doesn't like other people mixing his songs. That's why they always do 
their own mixes - with the one exception of the Naive mix by TKK.
-Daniel

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From: noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz)
Subject: Re: Ministry _Psalm_69_ quick review
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:31:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.165542.28362@Cadence.COM> noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.154659.1257@skynet.uucp> ice@skynet.uucp (Ice) writes:
>>I think you people are too selfish. All you ever care about is what YOU
>>want to hear and what YOU like.
>>
>>Give a band a chance to explore other ways of doing things. There can only
>>be improvement with change.
>>
>
>
>
>
>I can only agree with you more!!!!!!!!!!
>
>HaoN 
>
>
Well, let me explain myself a little better! I don't think people
are selfish because they're criticizing an album/band! But I think
alot of people have a hard time with change! I used to listen to
Ministry when they played LORAH and such,and IMHO I like the harder
stuff alot more. Yes, it's more repetitive,but hey I listen to teckno,
house,acid jazz etc.. all the time so when I heard the new one from
Ministry I liked it I agree that it could have been a little more
creative,but sometimes us musicians get in this little rut where u 
can't think of anything at all it's like a blankness in that part of
the brain! And it can last a week a month or years! I'm sure drugs
have a big part in it and sometimes they help out to! So I just felt
like expressing myself. No need to flame considering this is all IMHO!
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From: aa590@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason Kraley)
Subject: The Final Cut - A Dub For The Saints
Reply-To: aa590@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason Kraley)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 04:16:32 GMT



There is a group out called the Final Cut.  Apparently, they 
completed a 20 minute version of their instrumental song called
"A Dance For The Saints"... The 20 minute version featuring chanting
vocals and soothing synth riffs is called "A Dub For The Saints"
Supposedly, 'people who have heard it say it has affected their lives.'
(From a local magazine interview on The Final Cut)

I can't seem to find any information on it.  Does it exist?  Where can
one find such a single?

Thanks.

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hitting Meggy in the face.  Meggy replied, "Dinner's ready, darling."

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From: angst@cherry.ucsb.edu (love)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: New Stuff from Grey Area?
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:19:25 GMT
Organization: Finnigan's Cheezy Combustibles and Lawnmower Emporium

This is a semi-commerical announcement...

My mailorder company (plug), Ear/Rational Music (yeah, I know there's a
German label with the same name--we're not connected) just got a new box
set of 3-CDs from The Grey Area.  It's called The Grey Area of Mute and
it contains the following:

	CD 1: The Worst of Monte Cazzazza
	CD 2: Chris Carter - The Space Between
	CD 3: The Bridge (Thomas Leer & Robert Rentel)

If you're intested in this set, I have a few available for $44.99.  

I also have a 3-CD Cabaret Voltaire set on order, but I'm not sure what's
on it.

Finally, I got some copies of Test Dept. _Proven in Action_ which was
recorded live at New Music America (Montreal 1990) for $13.99.

Send me mail if you're interested.

"I have forced myself to contradict myself in 	|          Dave Stein
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