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From: kkallio@vipunen.hut.fi (Kiia Kallio)
Subject: Re: AGA Demos and how to get them.Other stuff too....
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:55:54 GMT

In <1jfdtbINN9hs@life.ai.mit.edu> psteffn@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Paul Steffen) writes:

>games. 
>>
>>I agree, the worst thing in most ST demos is lack of design...

>I don't agree at all!  ST demos generally DO have very good design. 
>Sure, the average Amiga demo has some simply amazing graphics which
>the ST or STe were not built for, but the average ST demo doesn't get
>boring after about the 10th viewing.  Most ST demos are interactive,
>some with games which are far higher than PD/Shareware quality.
>Look at some of the demos put out by Delta Force!

There are some exceptions, of course, like those you mentioned, but
generally ST demo consists of a game-style mainmenu, (not always game-
style, but mainmenu anyway) from which you can get into different
demoscreens, which generally consist of a couple of scrollers, some
sprites and colourful rasters...

I think we have a different meaning for word "designed" :)
A carefully designed demo should have style. I think most games
do not have that kind of style; how could then a main menu which is
almost as good as a commercial game have that kind of style...

I do not like mainmenus, since they make a demo consists of several
little demos, and it does not form a whole anymore.

(Oh Crikey Wot A Sorcher was exception...)

My definition for a well designed demo is that it should run smoothly,
stop not for loading, stop not to show every f***ing routine for
several minutes, have good graphics and good sound (no bilp-blop)...

ST is capable for that, no doubt.

By this definition we (Aggression) have done none well designed demos.
(This far...)

BTW, what comes to Delta Force, they have also noticed the lack of
design in ST demos.

>STratoHAK
>(paul steffen)

Kiia Kallio
(Lancelot of Aggression)
kkallio@vipunen.hut.fi
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Corrupt or is it just me?
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:54:09 GMT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

I have had problems with Future Mirror's "Claustrophobia", Gunnars 
FarveBio "Megademo Number 4", and the Noice "Reductio Ad Absurdum" 
(which, I have just read, isn't my fault).  But, on the first two, are 
these files corrupt or is my machine just balking on them?


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INet address: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us               \\\///----\
(814) 353-9069                                        \XX/      \ MIGA
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TARDIS Express:  When it absolutely, positively has to be there yesterday.
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From: Jean-Guy_Speton@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Jean-Guy Speton)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: One last thing about
Date: 20 Jan 93 22:44:52 PST
Organization: Tunnel-Vision BBS!

> Anyhow, a friend of mine ALSO debugged the Spaceballs' demo, unaware of
> the Skid Row hack. He did not put an ugly text at the end, just simply
> debugged it and put it on his BBS.
>
> But since most of you liked what Skid Row did, I guess I won't need to
> upload this to an ftp... :-)

I KNOW you're kidding.  So which sites have you sent it to?

 * Q-Blue v0.7 [NR] *

-- Via DlgQWK v0.65a
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: chapin@cbnewsc.cb.att.com ( Tom Chapin )
Subject: Re: How to find a good astrologer
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:21:06 GMT

Ronda A. Grizzle writes:
>Hi!  I'm fairly new to astrology and would very much like to have my
>natal chart cast by a competant astrologer.  The problem is, I don't
>really know how to contact one in my area and avoid the profit seekers

Which do you have more of--money or time?  If you have time, then I
would suggest that, instead of looking for someone to read your
chart, that you learn how to do it...and get it read by others along
the way.  Most areas of the country have new age bookstores, which
are a focal point for astrologers and others.  Most will have areas
with flyers and business cards, and often bulletin boards with
classes.  In many areas, groups such as AFA (American Federation of
Astrologers), NCGR (National Council for Geocosmic Research), and
others have monthly or even weekly meetings open to all for a
nominal fee of between $3-$5 (Check the topic cause sometimes they
bring in tarot or handwriting lecturers instead of astrologers).

First try going to meetings to get some of the buzzwords.  If you
can get just your chart done (not the whole interpretation) for
about $5, all the better cause you might find the lecturer
discussing parts of it (for free).  There should be quite a few
astrologers of varying ability, from whom you could choose a likely
candidate to do your chart and reading.  You might find someone
from whom to take a class.  The class will probably cost about the
same as a reading, except you spend more time.  And you will almost
always get your chart read during the classes, and get to see
readings for others.  And learn how to do your own.

If all that fails, then just look at all the ads, and before putting
any money down, ask the rates, how long a reading you will get,
whether it will be just natal or include transits and/or
progressions, and whether they have any professional certification
(AFA and NCGR both conduct certification tests).  Certification only
says that they know the fundamentals well enough to pass tests, not
that they are inspired or emotionally compatible with you or conduct
a reading on a level you prefer.  I recommend trying to find a way
to get to know them before deciding to have them do your chart.


-- 
	     tom chapin                tjc@hrcce.att.com
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From: ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash)
Subject: Gravity and Astrology (Re: bullshit )
Originator: dash@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:51:31 GMT

In article <rigking.1.728004438@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au> rigking@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (GAVIN KING) writes:

>When those who believe in astrology can propose some explanation as to *how* 
>the planets influence our daily lives, I will quite happily accept the
>study of astrology as worthwhile and rewarding. 

When those who believe in the law of gravity can propose some explanation
as to *how* the earth pulls objects toward its center, I will quite happily
accept the study of gravity as worthwhile and rewarding.

-- 
David W. Ash               | "What profits a man if he keeps his eternal soul
ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu |  when he could have lived life to the full and
HOME: (415) 497-1629       |  been forgiven at the end of it all anyway?"
WORK: (415) 725-3859       |         --David Merritt, a.k.a. THE RED SHARK
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: yohan@wam.umd.edu (Deore)
Subject: charts
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:44:57 GMT



Would anyone be interested in doing a very comprehensive chart for me?
Please send me e-mail and I will discuss all of the arrangements.




Thank you.
yohan@wam.umd.edu
From: BLD110@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: skeptics
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:26:12 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Dave, you seem to have read a lot about the subject, but have failed to
investigate it on a personal level.  The problem you have here is that you
are talking to people who use astrology every day.  We know that it works and
we know that by using the information we can get by looking at a natal chart
we can help ourselves and others to understand the workings of the personality.
When you have intimate knowledge of a subject and use it everyday it is rather
difficult to be objective when someone comes along and says that it doesn't
have validity.  It's a little like trying to tell a mathematician that numbers
are just a symbol and can have no impact on reality.

What I am trying to tell you is, it is nice to have these conversations with
you, but you are not going to find any converts here.  If you want to talk to
someone who can listen and agree with your assessment of the reality of your
scientific view you'll have to find someone who hasn't found the time and
interest to use Astrology.
                          Betty Lee Dowlin
                          BLD110@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
From: rgep@emu.pmms.cam.ac.uk (Richard Pinch)
Subject: Re: California's Doom (the details), Film at 11.
Keywords: Nostradamus (again!)
Organization: Department of Pure Mathematics, University of Cambridge
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:41:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.162309.29242@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>
>Some 1993 "Predictions" from the Fox-TV show "Sightings",
>January 8, 1993 (highlights).
>
>[...]
>
>A book was shown, "Nostradamus, The End of the Millenium, Prophecies:
>1992 to 2001" by V.J. Hewitt and Peter Lorie. [Possibly published in
>the U.K., Lorie speaks with a British accent.]
>
>[...]

Presumably the book is the sequel to the following, which appears to
be self-published.

 Author:         Hewitt, V. J.
 Title:          Nostradamus understood: a practical guide to his
                 prophecies/ V.J. Hewitt
                 Vol.1: Death of John Paul I September 1978
                 Whitstable: Derevale, 1990, c1989
                 143p; 20cm, pbk
 Subjects:       Nostradamus, 1503-1566
                 John Paul, I, Pope, 1912-1978--Assassination
From: nielson@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Kathlina Nielson)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: thankyou
Summary: thankyou to T. Kettenring
Keywords: thank you
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:44:04 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Well it appears I hit the wrong buttons again.  Well I might as well
post my thankyou to everyone.  I would like to thank T. (Thomas) Kettenring
for responding to my plea for help.  As I tried to say before--in my
first attempt-- I am able to only subscribe to one astronomy group and they
were unable to help me and my friend.  
And now I can prove to my friends (who said not to ask your group,
that you would be unable to help) HA! HA! HA! HA! they were wrong and
I was right--you did help!!-

AGAIN THANKS A LOT!!!!!
   
                        --Kat:)

P.S I love reading the articles in your group!!!!!
From: slsdh@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Earthquake and California goes down
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:09:28 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

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Subject: Re: Earthquake and California goes down
From: mlgreer@eng.clemson.edu (matthew greer)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:14:07 GMT
Reply-To: mlgreer@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.

In article 62954@cc.usu.edu, slsdh@cc.usu.edu () writes:
>>I saw a goofy show named 'sightings' a few weeks back. In it, the authors
>>of a book about Nostradamus's prophecies claimed to have discovered a method
>>by wich they can reveal the dates of some quatrains (prophecies). By using
>>this method, they claim to have revealed that the California mega-quake
>>will take place on May 8, 1993 at exactly 7:05 pm.
>>
>>-Austin
>>

>Yeah right, and how many times have people predicted the end of the earth.

Was this a prediction about the end of the earth? No. Only a powerful EQ.

>No one knows the future but God and I defy any of you to predict what will

How do you know this? Did God personally tell you that only He knows the
future? I doubt it. Could it be possible that He reveals segments of the
future to a few people?

>happen.  If someone will buy me a ticket, I will go to California on the
>above date and time and jump up and down as hard as I can and laugh at any
>one who thinks what is stated above is true.

Not that I firmly attest to the truth of the prediction, as I only saw it
saw it on a tv show, but your laughing could turn into bitter crying.

>
>Matt
>

-Austin


Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: lorenmo@microsoft.com (Loren Moore)
Subject: Re: Post By "Stayka"
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:45:52 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1jia8j$c9s@agate.berkeley.edu> tito@ocf.berkeley.edu wrote:
> 
> 	Trusting that the chart, you drew above is accurate (are both
> Pisces and Cancer intercepted ??? I have never seen a chart this bad.)
> while I make my own calculations - 

Pray tell, what means 'intercepted'? I would also like to know the meaning
or the term 'afflicted'. I get the impression that this latter means
it is not favorably aspected (i.e. it has many, or significant, opositions,
or squares).

> tito

thanks,
daemien
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Favorite Planet Names
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:47:13 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Here's an item of interest. According to Network Info Systems Center
there are as of 01/92 some 727,000 IP hosts on the Internet.

Guess what are the favorite names people give their hosts?

No 1 - Venus
No 2 - Pluto
No 3 - Mars
No 4 - Jupiter
No 5 - Saturn
No 9 - Mercury
No 14 - Neptune
No 25 - Sirius
No 54 - Uranus
No 58 - Earth
No 63 - Helios

and No 84 - Spock!

Regards, LOu
From: ap856@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John A. Wincek)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: bullshit
Date: 22 Jan 1993 03:20:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ap856@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John A. Wincek)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (rabjab) says:

>In article <rigking.1.727363471@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au> rigking@halls1.cc.
>monash.edu.au (GAVIN KING) writes:
>
>>I cannot believe that thinking human beings can actually believe this stuff.
>
>I must agree with this.  The chance that the other planets has any effect
>at all on the lives of human beings is vanishingly small.  
>
>The effect on Earth lifeforms of the sun and moon is of course a matter
>of record, from purely physical considerations.
>
>Astrology is simply an ancient attempt to understand the universe and
>its effect on human beings and has been superceeded by astrophysics,
>biology and psychology.
>
>Give up astrology for modern science and you will be richly rewarded.
>
>-rabjab
>
Have you studied astrology?  I think not.  From my own personal experience
I have found the "science" of astrology to be a valid one.  Biology never
appealed to me and I seriously doubt that the subject I found terminally
boaring in school would now suddenly richly reward me.  Now, I'm not
doubting it's validity, it just holds no appeal.  And since astrology holds
no appeal to you, you might be better served reading alt. bio. or some
other "rewarding" board.  And you might ask yourself why you don't  believe
in astrology.  Is it because of exhaustive research on your part which
proved it's non existance or is it just your uneducated opinion?  Or
perhaps you listen to others opinions?  "Others don't believe in it, why
not me?"  

john
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Musings about the wildness
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:22:03 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx43.cis.brown.edu

In article <1jpfp7INNm5r@lester.appstate.edu>, CONEGA@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU
(Greg Cone) wrote:
> 
> Just a brief FYI follow-up about saturn returns:
> 
> The movie, 'JFK', came out at the same time as saturn's first return
> to its position on that fateful day in November, 1963.


As the great Noel Tyl would say  "Isn't it amazing!"
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: vwp@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (mark.a.skala)
Subject: Re: Validity of Astrology/Psychic Powers
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:13:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.143647.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> fi32@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
>> ...  If anyone can show proof they have any paranormal powers,
>> the magician James Randi has had an outstanding many thousand-dollar
>> reward for about 20 years, just waiting for you to come and claim it.
>
>The problem with Mr. Randi's wager is that it is very difficult to prove you
>did somethink with personal/psychic power. His approach has always been to
>duplicate an effect with some artificial means, and then to say that that
>"proves" the psychic must have done it that way. This is not a valid approach. 
>
>Astrologers for centuries have documented the synchronicity of events with
>heavenly motions. Just because the majority of people choose to put it all down
>to "just a coincidence" does not invalidate our point.
>
>Phillip
>
This is not true.  I agree that he goes to public media (i.e. tv talk
shows) and proceeds to show things like how he can bend spoons and such,
and says that other people who do it are just like him and don't have
any special powers.  I agree that this is not proof that they do not
have psychic powers.  This is just demonstration.  But his reward is
done by experiment that you and he both design and agree to.  For
example, he had a number of dowsers who agreed to detect water running
through 1 of 10 pipes a few inches underground in a small area.  All failed.

Mark A. Skala                            "Anything worth doing is worth
vwp@cbnewsk.att.com                       doing to excess."
From: roy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: horoscopes
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:32:20 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas

In article <1993Jan27.022602.18555@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, pelletier@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> 
>      I hope this is not a question to which normal readers of this group
> who were not scared away by the subject do not want to read :) .  I checked
> the FAQ and it wasn't there.
>      
>      I am interested in a daily horoscope that I could consult.  Is there a
> usnet group of this kind?  Several of us make a habit of checking the paper
> each day and thought a usnet group might offer more.
> 
>                                      Thank you Sandra 


Sandra,
Why don't you learn to write your own horoscope? It will be much more rewarding
than read you daily horoscope in the morning papers. There is something in the
FAQ file about such horoscopes which we considered superficial and not "real"
astrology.
Regards, Roy
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: chapin@cbnewsc.cb.att.com ( Tom Chapin )
Subject: Re: question from beginner
Reply-To: tjc@hrcce.att.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:12:46 GMT

>he tells you to use a birth time of 6am if you do not know the exact 
>time of birth.  he states that this will provide a solar natal chart
>which is still pretty accurate.  why 6am? and how accurate is this chart?

A solar chart is one with the sun on the ascendent, which is where
the sun will be at (roughly) 6am.  (And it will be at the midheaven
at noon and the immum coeli at midnight.)

"Pretty accurate" is a rather relative term.  True, some astrologers
do place various planets on the ascendent to look at planetary house
positions relative to that planet, and true that before the age of
induced births a higher percentage of children were born around
sunrise.  But the sun is on the ascendent only if you are on
standard time and the place of birth is exactly on the longitudinal
meridian for the time zone, otherwise the sun could be several
hours removed from the ascendent.

Another suggestion is to use a noon birth, put the sun on the
midheaven, forget about houses (or at most use equal house and
don't use it much) and realize the moon could be five or six degrees
either way and the inner planets a degree off.  Roughly, you are
getting a chart good(?) for anyone in the world born on that day.
-- 
	     tom chapin                tjc@hrcce.att.com
From: tito@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tito Domine)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re - "Kuhn"
Date: 26 Jan 1993 21:04:08 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

	In Article 3365 of alt.astrology:
<chi8@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Eugenia) > writes :

>This might be a little off topic, but at the mention of Kuhn, i recalled 
>an interesting discussion on the philosophy and implications of modern
>science (including touching on Kuhn's idea of paradigms, logical 
>empiricism, etc.) and Tibetan Buddhism between prominent scientists and 
>the Dalai Lama in a book called "Gentle Bridges". How does this relate 
>to astrology?  Well, some of the best eastern astrologers are Buddhists! 
>(and in a round about manner it sheds some light on the validity of astrology)

	About this, I would have to contribute that I find it almost
inconceivable (but of course not improbable) that one could be a great
astrologer without being a spiritual aspirant of some sort.
	Also, the spiritual path (whatever it is) must be of the right type,
that is, it has the capacity to develop one's intuition (supramental
ability).
	Without intuitional help, my humble opinion is that an astrologer
gets lost in semantics and form of the chart and cannot see substance.
What happens is when one tries to interpret without intuitional reflection,
nothing makes sense. But if one utilises the intuitional faculty, everything
makes sense. Also what happens, from experience, is that when intuition is
not used, one gets fascinated by the mathematics, geometry, etc of the
astrology but cannot interpet nor act based on the interpretation.
	Since the first chart that one usually tries to interpret is one's
own chart, without spiritual practice (or intuitional practice), one 
finds it difficult to be honest enough to see one's own mistakes and
good points. We always like to see the good points and rationalize the bad.
Therefore, if one cannot honestly interpet one's own chart, one cannot
conceivably interpret others' charts.
	So far as I know, my humble opinion is that only spiritual practices
of the right type can conquer self-illusion and self-deception to be able
to see one's and other's existence clearly.
	Otherwise, we all get lost in self-rationalization.

tito





Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: Gary_Coleman@mindlink.bc.ca (Gary Coleman)
Subject: Re: House Systems (Was Re: what are "campanus" houses...)
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:31:02 GMT

I feel that the further North or South from the equator the less Placidus
works.  I personally use Koch... probably because this was the system that
was the most reliable on my system using Michael Erlewine's code in "Manual
of computer Programing for Astrologers"  Gary Coleman
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: stars names?
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:47:01 GMT
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Organization: Brown University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx52.cis.brown.edu

In article <Jan.26.17.18.53.1993.13424@andromeda.rutgers.edu>,
nielson@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Kathlina Nielson) wrote:
e.
> A friend of mine and I are looking for the names of some stars 
>   (including binaries) that lie in the Milky Way.  We perfer names
>   of rare/uncommon stars.  

A very good listing of *fixed store* is contained in a text  by Vivian
Robson I think the title is FIXED STARS.  
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