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From:         "Jim Oberly, History Dept.,
              U of Wisc-Eau Claire" <JOBERLY@cnsvax.uwec.edu>
Subject:      Re: Posting of forwarded messages

7/31/92

Robert Funnell writes:


> I'd like to suggest that, rather than forwarding messages
> of potential relevance to EDTECH, people might occasionally
> post compilations of 1-or-2-line summaries of such messages,
> with pointers to where the originals can be found.  This would
> allow the rest of us to ourselves subscribe to interesting groups
> of which we might not have been aware.
>
> I'd be interested to know what others think about this.


I have been a "lurker" on this list for several months, and I must
admit that I have maintained my subscription largely to receive
Gleason's forwarded messages and cross-postings.  I subscribe
to a limited number of conferences, and by and large, I don't
receive duplicte notices.

--Jim Oberly
  Dept. of History
  Univ. of Wisconsin-Eau Claire
  Eau Claire, WI  54701
  JOBERLY@CNSVAX.UWEC.EDU
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:26:50 EDT
From:         LMACCORK@UMIAMI.BITNET
Subject:      LAN broadcast software

Is anyone familiar with software that will, like LAN School, allow a
teacher to broadcast the image on his/her computer to other
computers on the LAN or to a projection device, but that will
operate with the netbios standard or with Digital's Pathworks?
Lyn MacCorkle information
University of Miami
lmaccork@umiami
305 284-4838
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:52:29 EDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Subject:      Re: Convincing Faculty

"Fred W. Culpepper" <fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu> writes:

>>  But faculty will not write academic software if they are not
>> rewarded some way.  I write academic software but my sanity has been
> questioned.

>Jack has a very good point here.  I have authored and
>coauthored many (26) textbooks, laboratory manuals, etc.  In
>each case I received credit for the activity in our yearly
>evaluations.

Wouldn't writing academic software fall into the category with writing
pedagogical books or articles?  Here, a textbook is given credit as
part of the "teaching" category but not as part of "research" -- i.e.,
the writing of textbooks or pedagogical articles doesn't count for much
in tenure or promotion applications.  Note:  I'm not saying that's the
way it SHOULD be, only that that's the way it is.  People who write
textbooks, pedagogical articles, or software should not be hoping for
any brownie-points from the effort at tenure/promotion time.  They do
it because they want to do it.
--
  -- Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject: Software for Remediation
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:21:44 GMT
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I am beginning a research project to explore the use of technology to
assist college students who are underprepared in the areas of reding,
writing and math.  We are looking for remedial software that will
supplement students' work in developmental classes to prepare them to be
able to function at the college level.

At the present time we are using the Weaver software in developmental
reading.  We do not have any software in place for developmental math
and writing.  Are there software packages that you can recommend for any
of these areas?  (We are totally IBM.)

Also, if anyone has worked on a project like this, I would be interested
in chatting with you.  Please respond to my e-mail address.  Thanks for
any help.

Lolita Gilkes
Educational Computing Laboratory
Richland College
12800 Abrams Road
Dallas, TX  75243-2199

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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:43:36 EDT
From:         IANHART@HKUCC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Posting of forwarded messages

I agree most strongly with Robert Funnell on this. I subscribe to five
lists concerned with computing and educational technology and sometimes
see the same posting copied five times. On the other hand,
some of Gleeson Sackman's repostings from wierd and wonderful sources
are most enlightening.
In all cases, a two-line summary and an indication of where to find
the original would be entirely adequate.
Ian Hart
University of Hong Kong
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 10:02:40 EDT
From:         Geru Solomon <GSOLOMO@AMERICAN.EDU>
Subject:      groupware

I am doing a graduate class project on groupware at American University.  Could
anyone give me some feedback on their experiences with groupware.  I am particu
larly interested in the human aspect of it.  Two of the groupware software ment
ioned was Lotus Notes and the Coordinator.  If you have used groupware could yo
u tell me any advantages you see using it rather then having face-to-face meeti
ngs.  Do you think this will be the wave of the future.  Thank you for any info
rmation you can give me.  Gerri
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:54:56 EDT
From:         PF Anderson <pfa@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
Subject:      Re: Posting of forwarded messages

I disagree with Robert Funnell regarding the posting of
forwarded messages from other listservs. Personally I find
it very helpful, espcially since I have absolutely *no*
desire to belong to all of those listservs! I have all
I can do to keep up with the most relevant ones. Sure,
sometimes I've already seen the message, but it is easily
and quickly deleted.

I have also noted that many of the forwarded message are
from the list-owner. Surely it is his perogative to
determine the nature of the list! I am very appreciative
of the time he takes to scan the relevant sources
of information, and I recognize that we reap the benefit of
his efforts.

Last point, what is extraneous to one person may be of
value to someone else on the list. The "one man's
goose ... " syndrome. EDTECH, by its very nature, is
supporting a diverse population with occasionally
divergent needs. It is to be expected that some of
the messages would not be relevant to all.

Pat Anderson
Barnes Learning Resources Center
Galter Library
Northwestern University
303 E. Chicago Ave.
Chicago IL 60611
pfa@nwu.edu
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:36:42 EDT
From:         "Dennis H. Sorge" <POX@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Software for Remediation

If you want information about interactive video for remediation, let me know.

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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:02:35 EDT
From:         "Jim Swanson, Lenoir-Rhyne College" <swanson@alice.lrc.edu>
Subject:      Requesting Info -- Courseware Development

I would appreciate readers of the list sending me the names/publishers of the
one or two texts that they feel are BEST on the topic of Courseware
Development.  That is, if you were going to teach a course to graduate or
advanced undergraduate students relating to that subject, what's your opinion
on the best text to use??

If you can suggest the better periodicals in the field, I'd appreciate that
too.  I have been using CIJE and RIE to research this topic, and find that the
references there are spotty.

Please reply directly to me (not the list): swanson@alice.lrc.edu (I don't want
to incur the wrath of anyone! |8-).

Thanks for your help! Help from lurkers is welcome.

		Jim Swanson
		Lenoir-Rhyne College
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:47:12 EDT
From:         MUFFOLETTO@iscsvax.uni.edu
Subject:      Re: Technology and curriculum reform

I think your question is an interesting one.... what do teachers want? ...
most of the teachers that I work with would want more control over the
curriculum, budgets, and school organization.  these are
social/political/policy issues not technology... unless you are referring to
technology as a form of logical positivism.

Its not clear to me what you mean by technology... is it only the machines and
devices (with software) or are you referring to systems that are concerned with
means-ends and social control?


Robert Muffoletto
Coll of ED
Univ of N. Iowa

muffoletto@uni.edu
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:42:37 EDT
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Subject:      MacWrite II Maintenance Release (fwd)

Forwarded message:

 From: "microcomputer-news"  <news@boombox.micro.umn.edu>
 To: microcomputer-news@boombox.micro.umn.edu
 Subject: MacWrite II Maintenance Release

 The following message was sent from the Claris office. Information how to get
 a free update for MacWrite II follows the forwarded message.

 ------------ Forwarded Message begins here ------------

 MACWRITE II MAINTENANCE RELEASE
 -------------------------------
 To address a minor problem in MacWrite II, which causes the program to
 crash when spell checking under 32-bit addressing running on systems with
 16 Mbytes or more RAM, Claris has released a new maintenance release:

    MacWrite II 1.1v3.

 This release not only fixes the spell checking problem, but also includes
 several build changes:

     - The disk set has been reduced from three disks to two
     - Several Claris translators have been removed. In-box translators now
       include: MacPaint, PICT, MacWrite 5.0, MS Word 4.0, WordPerfect PC 4.2
       and RTF only. Additional translators can be obtained for a $10 handling
       fee via Claris Customer Relations.
     - The Getting Started, User's Guide, Quick Reference Guide and 1.1 Release
       Notes have been combined into a single User's Guide.
       MacWrite II has a suggested retail price of $129.

 ------------ Forwarded Message ends here ------------

 Free Update

 MacWrite II 1.1v3 is a free update for anyone who has already purchased a copy
 of MacWrite II. It consists of 2 diskettes, update note and letter. There is
 no handling fee.

 To get your free update call Claris at 800-544-8554. Wait for the message to
 select General Information and press 4 on your telephone. You must have either
 the serial number from the registration form you mailed or the part number
 stamped on the MacWrite II disk.







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Subject:      New List on Agricultural Information (fwd)

Forwarded message:

> Subject:      New List on Agricultural Information
> To: Multiple recipients of list PACS-L <PACS-L@uhupvm1.bitnet>
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>
> To: EVERYONE INTERESTED IN AGRICULTURAL INFORMATION
> From:   The AGRIS/CARIS Coordinating Centre
>         Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations
>
>       *******************************************************
>       *                                                     *
>       *  ANNOUNCING A NEW LIST ON AGRICULTURAL INFORMATION  *
>       *                                                     *
>       *******************************************************
>
> The AGRIS/CARIS Coordinating Centre has established a list for
> discussion of issues and questions in the field of agricultural
> information.  This list will open to information professionals as
> well as end users.  Among the issues to be included are:
>
>     bibliographical, current research and numerical databases;
>     information systems, products and services;
>     access to agricultural information, particularly in developing
>     countries;
>     indexing and retrieval systems, and
>     any other relevant topics.
>
> The list is:
>
>                     AGRIS-L at IRMFAO01.BITNET
>
> and to subscribe just send the following message (using the tell,
> note, or mail commands):
>
>         tell listserv at irmfao01.bitnet sub agris-l your name
>
> The list will be maintained, moderated and operated by the AGRIS/CARIS
> Coordinating Centre and the owner is:
>     A.I. Lebowitz
>     Head, AGRIS/CARIS Coordinating Centre
>     Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N.
>     00151 Rome, Italy
>     Phone: (06) 5797-4993
>     Telex: 610181 FAO I
>     FAX: (06) 5797-3152
>     BITNET: GILSN2 at IRMFAO01
>     INTERNET: GILSN2 at IRMFAO01.BITNET
>
> This announcement will be cross sent to several lists as well as.
> to individuals.  Please excuse the duplication.
>
> Looking forward to meeting virtually all of you,
>
>                                         Abe Lebowitz
>


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From:         Claudette Obenschain <cobensch@rvgs.vak12ed.edu>
Subject:      Re: Computerized Grade Books

Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Roanoke)


Try Gradebook Plus by Mindscape.

Claudette Obenschain     cobensch@rvgs.vak12ed.edu
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From:         "WA Office of Higher Education" <waohe@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
Subject:      "super teaching"

I have spent the last weekend assisting with the logistics in a
programme called "Money & You".

The teaching/training methodologies were effective in keeping me
involved.  They included teaching-games and an interesting form
of exository teaching.

I'm aware that such programmes will be the object of controversy
in educational academia around such issues as the education-training
distinction and the commercialization of training.

Still, I think that these approaches have a lot to teach us in mass
higher education.

Can anyone point me to discussions/literature on these methods?

Thanks,

Jeff Oliver

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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:47:15 EDT
From:         Prof Norm Coombs <NRCGSH@RITVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Posting of forwarded messages

There are two sides and probably more to this topic.  Yes, I often get
duplicates.  On the other hand, I have dropped off of several lists with great
regrets.  They were great lists but so little of their traffic related to my
concerns that I just couldn't cope even with deleting them by subject line.  I
am happy others are on those lists and doubly happy when someone picks up
something of really general interest and importance and mirrors it on another
list to which I belong.  It is wonderful to have anonymous persons out there
work as gate keepers for me and my needs.  I really appreciate it.

       I understand your concern with needless duplication, but I find it
easier to delete the duplicate copy of half a dozen messages per week to that
of deleting dozens of messages that do not interest me.  This duplication
permits me to drop off of some important lists and still feel I can keep up due
to these gate keeper but anonymous friends.   Thanks to all of them.

Norman Coombs
Rochester Institute of Technology.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:57:20 EDT
From:         Elliott Mitchell <MITCHEEC@VUCTRVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Telecommunications & Digital Phone Systems

We are experiencing similar problems here at Vanderbilt, and have not
progressed past the dual analog/digital solution.  I haven't seen it
mentioned yet but FAX machines pose a similar problem with respect to the
digital lines, do they not?

 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Elliott Mitchell
 Peabody College at Vanderbilt University
 Nashville, Tenn. Home of the Grand Ole Opry
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:23:05 EDT
From:         Elliott Mitchell <MITCHEEC@VUCTRVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Telecommunications & Digital Phone Systems

Thanks for the note.

I still believe that digital circuits are good for us, it's just a matter
of teaching our computers to speak the correct language for the phone
lines, isn't it?

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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:50:03 EDT
From:         CITEC@Jetson.UH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Technology and curriculum reform

        Many teachers would be willing to use technology in their classrooms
if they knew what to do with it. They must be given practical, workable
lessons to get started. Once they see what is possible, their own ideas
and adaptations will more easily surface. The students also will come up with id
   eas on how to use the technology.

        This past year was involved with a grant that set up our TEC-Lab
with a wide variety of hardware - computers, laser printers, CD-Rom, video
and editing equipment, a still camera, scanners, Computer Eyes, a FAX
machine and a modem. Our primary software was Word for Windows, Pagemaker,
Persuasion and Excel. This project involved five teachers - one each from
math, physical science, social studies, communications and language arts.
We each had one class daily in the Lab and taught our other classes in a
traditional classroom.

        My Language Arts class concentrated on American Literature (11th
grade). Since I did not want this to be a word processing class, I had
to develop a number of lessons that used the technology in a different way.
Many of the lessons were similar to activities in the traditional class
but the technology added an extra dimension and the students became
extremely motivated. Many of them spent numerous hours outside of class and
we almost always had a full house the two evenings a week we kept the Lab
open at night. They also began using the Lab for assignments in other
classes once they discovered the possibilities open to them.

        This year the grant has the five teachers allocated one day a week so al
   l of our classes will be involved, but on a weekly rather than daily basis.
This necessitates massive adaptation of the lessons we developed for this year.

        The math, the science teacher and I are also trying to develop a
school-wide project with an environmental spin using the resources of the
TEC-Lab and Thoreau as our touchstone.

        If anyone would like to discuss any or all of this with me and maybe
exchange some ideas, I would love to hear from you.
Janice Kelso                                 CITEC@jetson.uh.edu
                                             Jkelso@tenet.edu
                                             FAX (713)292-0134
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:50:48 EDT
From:         "Melissa Carter-Goodrum, ITS/ICR" <MCARTERG@ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject:      RE: Posting of forwarded messages

RE: Robert Funnell's comments
"Recently a number of postings to EDTECH have been messages
forwarded from other sources.  I personally find that this
adds unnecessarily to the already almost overwhelming task
of keeping up with e-mail from LISTSERV's, and also adds to
the strain on computer and network resources.  In most cases,
if the message is of any interest I've already received it
directly from the original LISTSERV."
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I've found the forwarded postings very useful and relevant to
EDTECH.  Somehow, most of the forwarded postings are NOT repeats
of postings I've already received from other lists.  And when they
are I delete them when I read the first screen -- a two second task
that I am willing to put up with.  The idea of summarizing rather
than forwarding suggested by Robert Funnell does make more efficient
use of computer and network resources, especially in the case of
very long postings, but it uses more human resources, i.e., time and
effort spent by the summarizer and time and effort spent by readers
hunting down the original posting.  For the most part, I appreciate
receiving the original message.  If only I could get rid of all those
> marks in front of every line...

Melissa Carter-Goodrum
INDIANA UNIVERSITY
MCARTERG@ucs.indiana.edu
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