From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Super Power in new century and Yellow Peril
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:55:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.022112.1089@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>I always wondered why the USA and other Western nations turned a blind
>eye to Tibet.  This is regretable.  Tibet is likely the greatest source of
>blood-letting in the last 10 years.
>
>Last night's C-SPAN rerun of Clinton's economic summit in Arkansas confirmed
>some things that most Americans already know.  Vice-president-elect Gore
>mentioned that the USA should keep a close eye on China because (among
>the numerous reasons cited) it is massacring Tibetans and continues to
>export missile and nuclear weapons technology.
>
>What's even more interesting than that is the fact that Mr. Yang is posting
>from a Western nation, USA, and that he obviously has been exposed to
>accurate Western news sources and historical accounts.  Further, Mr. Yang
>is considered to be among the intellectural elite among the Chinese across the
>Pacific.  Yet, _shockingly_, he would deny that China is committing any
>atrocity or that it is destabilizing the world, let along East Asia.
>Mr. Yang is fairly typical of Chinese-cu thought.
>
>For this very reason, it is vital that Japan maintain a vigilant and
>militarily strong jietai.  Further, Japan needs a directly elected
>prime minister like the President of the USA; that prime minister can
>serve as the commander-in-chief of Japanese self-defense forces.
>Only a strong Japan with a commander-in-chief whose role is well-defined
>in an amended Japanese Kempoo can protect Asia from Chinese hegemony.
>
>In the very likely event that China terrorizes another nation (like possibly
>the Republic of Taiwan in the future), that Japanese prime minister
>can, with the cooperation of the USA, successfully direct its military forces
>to send the Chinese armies to Almighty God.
>
>Of course, Japan can do certain things to postpone the day when Chinese armies
>are sent back to their Creator.  For example, weakening China politically would
>be one route; this can be accomplished by using Japanese (and American)
>financial and political leverage to force the secession of Manchuria as
>an independent nation whose official language would be Japanese or English.
>Manchuria could then be renamed to somethng like "Shinkoku", and the people
>would be called "Shinkoku-jin".
>
>There are other possibilities, of course.
>
>>	And what about one million girls killed, non-violently of course,
>>	in the name of population control?
>
>That's not quite correct.  The Chinese-cu gov't is actually opposed to
>infanticide, but the population at large supports it.  In the first half
>of this century, 1 million (I can cite a reference) Chinese died from
>disease, famine, and infanticide.  Some of the girls were strangled
>by their very own parents.
>
>Infanticide continues to occur frequently in China.  In fact, local
>authorities (in recurring articles in the San Francisco Chronicle) have
>been trying to teach those "loving" parents that female infants are
>just as important as male infants.  I suspect that the efforts of the
>authorities are totally in vain.
>
>(By the way, I cross-posted this to soc.culture.asian.american to let
>some people know that I am not the only one who is aware that millions
>of Chinese infant girls have been murdered by their very own parents.)


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     Welcome to the Dwight Joe FAQ.  This article is a standard rebuttal to
certain beliefs Dwight Joe routinely expounds in soc.culture.asian.american.
Specifically, Dwight Joe believes Chinese culture intrinsically incorporates
racism, sexism, infanticide, child abuse, and I suppose, other unsavory
characteristics.  For a full example of his beliefs, the reader is referred
to his many postings, one of which drew this response and is therefore
specified in the References: line of the header.

     The motivation behind this canned response is my belief an undue amount
of bandwidth is wasted concerning Dwight Joe's beliefs.  Dwight Joe has shown
a tendency to respond to any topic under discussion by espousing his
anti-Chinese feelings.  This, in turn, spoils many good threads of debate as
many readers of scaa, long tired of reading such nonsense, automatically add
the thread to their kill files.  Such readers are instead urged to add
/underdog/h:j to their kill files.  This may deny Dwight Joe a goal I suspect
he pursues, that of censoring discussion on Chinese culture and government.

     Hence, if you're reading this message, and are considering a followup
merely to rebut Dwight Joe's response, I strongly urge you to reconsider.
We most surely understand the frustration and resentment you're probably
feeling, because we've shared it first-hand over the last few years.
Certainly, if you have something valuable to add, please feel free to do so.
However, I think it quite likely what most of the scaa readership has already
heard it, as we're all too familiar with Dwight Joe and the responses he
draws.  *Please*, under most circumstances, you should not respond to Dwight
Joe at all, only to the original topic under discussion.

     Getting to the rebuttal, it is my contention Dwight Joe's beliefs are
without scientific foundation, and in fact, unmitigated racism or incitement
thereof.  Certainly, some individuals of Chinese society practice some of the
above, just as some members of any society deviate from "normal morality."
However, in the absence of scientific evidence showing Chinese society displays
these features with a greater frequency than other cultural groups, I contend
any civilized person must follow a simple moral principle: innocent until
proven guilty.  Dwight Joe has been repeatedly called upon to substantiate his
claims with references to an independent study.  He has consistently ignored
such calls, and in fact, often cites a single anecdote as proof that an entire
culture incorporates a particular practice.  Without any real evidence, one
should not make such wild accusations.  To do so smacks of racism and bigotry.

     Even if his claims were to be substantiated, which they have not, such
faults would not justify Dwight Joe's calls for the dissolution of Chinese
culture.  All societies have their faults, but such faults do not warrant their
destruction.  American society has been accused of sexism, racism, and
violence.  Yet no one (I know) calls for the abolition of American culture.
Yet Dwight Joe calls for the substitution of Chinese culture with Western
culture.  One does not treat a wart by shooting the man; one treats the wart.

     Another telling habit of Dwight Joe is to classify those who disagree with
him as Chinese.  He himself gets uppity when others claim Dwight Joe is Chinese
himself because (a) he has a Chinese surname, and (b) at least one scaa regular
has met his brother and hence is in a position to know.  Yet, one the basis of
a poster's opinions, Dwight Joe turns about and makes similar claims to ethnic
origin.  Such two-faced behavior demonstrates the hypocrisy and illogic of his
arguments.

     Finally, Dwight Joe uses a particular notation.  For the edification of
the new reader, I explain it here.  The notation involves abbreviating certain
words:

	Chinese-cu: Chinese culture, ie. raised as a Chinese;
	Chinese-ge: Chinese genetically, ie. bearing certain physical features;
	Chinese-ci: Chinese citizenship, ie. of a particular country.

I believe these distinctions, as used by Dwight Joe, are merely camouflage,
for his own mind as well as others.  Dwight Joe uses these terms to deflect
accusations of racism from himself by redefining racism to specifically
exclude his beliefs.  Such denials, however, are worthless, as Dwight Joe's
repeatedly posted opinions make it clear he holds significant predjudice
against Chinese society.
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George J Wu,  Superior Maker of Technical Snafus,  georgew@metasw.com
Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
Never be the first to believe.  Never be the last to deceive.  ---  Chess