HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor)
Subject: Officially Declaring a Boycott
Originator: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Organization: University of North Carolina
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:53:42 GMT

I remember earlier someone asking if GLBO leaders had declared an official
boycott on Colorado, and saw this in our campus newspaper this morning
(not a wonderful source, but okay)

_____________________________________________________________________________
from _The Daily Tar Heel_ (cheesy name, I know) reprinted without permission
"Gay officials call for Colorado boycott"  by Richard J. Dalton Jr.

The National Network of Lesbian and Gay officials passed a resolution
Sunday in Chapel Hill calling for an economic boycott of Colorado in
response to a law banning legislation to protect gays and lesbians from
discrimination.

More than 60 openly gay and lesbian officials met this weekend for the
Eighth Annual International Conference of Gay and Lesbian Elected and
Appointed Officials.

The resolution said the Colorado measure and similar initiatives
encouraged discrimination, prejudice and violence against gays and
lesbians.  It called for a boycott not only of Colorado, but also other
areas that pass similar measures. 

The NNLGO is a member of several other organizations, such as the National
League of Cities and the National Association of State Legislators, and
will encourage those groups to adopt similar resolutions, according to
West Hollywood Mayor John Heilman, who drafted the resolution.

Heilman said the resolution sent a signal to gays and lesbians.

"I want to encourage members of the gay and lesbian community not to go to
Colorado until this discrimination ends," he said.

Many supporters of the resolution referred to the boycott of Arizona for
its refusal to designate a Martin Luther King holiday.

Opponents of the resolution said gay people from Colorado should decide
whether their state should be boycotted.  Some people also said the group
should not boycott areas in Colorado that had laws to protect gay rights
before the referendum was passed.

But others said failure to fight this measure could stymie the response to
future referendums and bolster the opposition.

David Scondras, a city council member in Boston, said no one would
question a boycott if a measure eliminated laws protecting blacks or Jews.

Minnesota Sen. Allan Spear, D-Hennepin, who supported the resolution,
recalled the 1991 Louisiana election in which David Duke , an ex-Klansman
and Nazi sympathizer, ran for governor.

"Every organization i know of threatened to boycott Louisiana if he were
elected governor," he said, "I don't see why we shouldn't try to get that
kind of support, too."

[goes on to discuss resolution to end ban of gays and lesbians in the
military]

Well, this is a bit longer than I intended--sorry.  Hope it helps.


season

-- 
                     ____  
Season Taylor        \  / "thought i knew my mind/like the back of my hand/
czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu\/   the gold in the rainbow/nothing panned out as i
(yes, as in the 4)         planned"   --indigo girls
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 04:09:43 CST
From: <U60145@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Tired today for the right reasons

In article <1992Nov18.204415.21649@psych.toronto.edu>, paul@psych.toronto.edu
(Paul Hastings) says:
>
>Given that the most wonderful part of sex is immediately after, it's
>near tragic that the propensity of so many is to lunge for a towel
>or leap in the shower when the time could be (and was) taken to lie
>shaking together while the spit and sweat and spunk congeals and
>cements the lovers into one, hands slowly caressing flanks and
>ridges and grooves, lips seeking secret sensitive areas on the chin,
>the ear, the throat, the eyelid, sending waves of pleasure down the
>cooling body of one and feeling them return to the first, hearing
>the gasps and muted groans and wet sucking sound of stomachs pulling
>apart as breath is sharply drawn in because that kiss became a bite,
>increasing the pressure of the caress to the shoulders/back/buttocks/
>thighs, rolling and turning and rising until the first is above the
>second and the caresses have become a massage, the oil mixing with
>the fluids already coating them both and translating pressure to
>heat as tensions come further undone, feeling the firm muscles lose
>their rigidity one by one from neck to foot, tasting each part that
>was not passed over but more worked through, moving back up the
>prone body as at least two muscles of the bonded pair regain their
>engorged states and the wondrous realization dawns that the after
>was actually a between.
>
>-paul
>
>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Paul Hastings    paul@psych.utoronto.ca          545 Dovercourt Road
>University of Toronto      416-978-3990          Toronto, Ont.  M6H 2W5
>M. Mark: I can teach you to dance with no intoxication.  (yeah, right!)

Visiting Chicago any time soon, Paul? *grin*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Care to flame a bigot?
Organization: Stanford University
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:43:03

In article <102716@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:

   [some random idiot's raw sewage deleted]

   [Brian's commentary on above raw sewage deleted]

"Hey, gang, look at this *giant turd*.  I bet it'll smell *really*
awful if I kick it."

- Bob
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From: batie@agora.rain.com (Alan Batie)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Time to take the offensive!!
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:17:14 GMT
Organization: Open Communications Forum

nomad@watson.ibm.com (Lee `nomaD` Damon) writes:
>I call on all Oregonians (and I include myself in that) to get an ammendment
>of our own - assuring equal rights for all.

Actually, we already have it, and I'm disappointed we didn't make a
bigger issue of it.

Article I, Section 20, Oregon State Constitution:

    Equality of privileges and immunities of citizens

    No law shall be passed granting to any citizen or classes of
    citizens privileges, or immunities, which, upon the same terms,
    shall not equally belong to all citizens.
-- 
Alan Batie                               \        What does it say about a
batie@agora.rain.com                      \       state when almost half of
+1 503 452-0960                          / \      the voters think it's
45 28 59 N / 122 43 20 W / 440' MSL     /   \     okay to discriminate?
From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: College as Pro Factory (was Re: discrimination at CMU)
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:55:02 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Nov14.170931.19331@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
writes:
|> It's more than that.  A drama school isn't in the business of giving
|> a general education (except as a sop to those who would think it
|> necessary.)  I guess you could say it's the flip side of engineering
|> schools.

An undergraduate drama program, however, is for undergraduates, regardless of
eventual career goals.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier)
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Originator: scotts@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<BxoCw6.K73@queernet.org> <1e1bpdINNjbn@mizar.usc.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:32:37 GMT

In article <1e1bpdINNjbn@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

   Besides, 
   no one has ever been cast in a plum role because he or she 
   has been able to wave a diploma in the casting director's 
   face.

In the issue of Theater Week which contained the article on CMU, CMU
had an ad trying to attract perspective students.  Their slogan was,
"It's all in a name." 

Scott
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Some sad news from Colorado
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:00:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov16.170031.20586
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Nov16.162303.15249@pixel.kodak.com> chuck@fourier.ssd.kodak.com (Charles S. Collins 726-9461) writes:
>>Until I see otherwise, I'll continue to regard "organized religion" in 
>>the same way as "organized crime."
>Of course, you are free to believe what you like.  But I must protest
>what I see has terribly shortsighted.

I wouldn't be so sure who's being short-sighted.  You're a
Presbyterian; what are you to make of the PCUSA's decision regarding
that lesbian pastor?  How many times must you get stepped on before
waking up and saying you won't be associated with any such organized
cause which not only works against you within the very institution to
which you claim "fellowship", but against you in society at large?

I think comments that that above are very healthy.  They describe the
situation as it is, and not as some gay people would like to believe
it is.  They are a useful polemic.

>By classifying all of organized religion in the same league as organized crime,
>you ignore the following groups within organized religions which are working
>extremely hard for gay/lesbian/bisexual causes:
>More Light Churches (Presbyterian)
>Reconciling Congregations (Methodist)
>Affirmation (Mormon)
>Dignity (Roman Catholic)
>Integrity (Episcopal)

Masochists, all of them.  Of course, some of my best friends are masochists.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Cheese-Louise
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:07:45 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) wrote:
>I like the idea of sitting on the beach at Ecola state park with a
>basket full of warm baguettes, brie, gouda, maybe some feta cheese.
>Add in the plump purple grapes and the red and white wines, and we've
>got a fine picnic! Why didn't we think of this before?

Nelson!  How could you possibly have forgotten the mangoes?

Sim, trying to think if there is a cheese that would go well with
mangoes.



Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
Hate, bigotry, and discrimination are not family values, even in
Colorado and Tampa.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Cheese-Louise
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:07:44 GMT

markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:

>In fact, the watermelon wine which I passed about at
>Bagby Hot Springs during the con was from there (remember that
>one, John?).

Actually, I thought it was cranberry wine or some other such stuff.
I don't remember it too well because I was getting bombarded with
all kinds of new and unusual sensory inputs. I do remember not
finding it that impressive, though, but then I'm not a winey guy.
Give me some kind of soda (or perhaps a nice spritzer) or give me
death!!!

>I have had the carefully aged (whatever that means - what would
>uncarefully aged cheese taste like?)

Cheese is considered 'uncarefully aged' when it's thrown in a corner
in the kitchen and left to gather dust, providing occasional enter-
tainment for children and pets.

>This seems like a good time to propose that the cheese and wine lovers
>on soc.motss come to Oregon for Valentines Day and commune at the
>coast where we can watch the breakers under grey skies, walk solitary
>beaches, and visit cheese factories and wine shops as well as a
>microbrewery or two.

Can some of us come along to take teensy tastes of everything and
then make colorful retching noises? Oh, please say yes!!!

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:54:06 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Nov18.184447.111980@zeus.calpoly.edu>,
dgross@zeus.calpoly.edu (Dave Gross) wrote:

> My reply to this is the following:
> 	   It's very possible that the reason the large towns
> 	and ski areas took such strong action against CO2, and
> 	voted against it is BECAUSE they feared a boycott.  I'm
> 	not sure I'm ready to just put down their support of
> 	gay rights to "cosmpolitan sophistication."  I suspect
> 	they were looking after #1.

A fine load of cynical shit, that.  Perhaps a different approach
is in order:  has it occured to the Totalitarian Tinkerbell set
that a boycott by a faction within a faction that comprises 
perhaps 10% of the total population (in other words, a boycott
by some single-digit percentage of the population) - won't have
*SQUAT* impact upon the Colorado economy?  Scream 'till your
tonsils turn pink.  It will serve only as 'evidence' of a 
'homosexual agenda' - and it's complete *lack* of *impact* will
serve as 'evidence' that the 'homosexual agenda' is nothing
to be feared.

I suppose the Andersonian Angsters are thinking:  yeah, but it
worked in Arizona, and the threat worked in Louisiana (against
Duke).  NOTHING like the boycott frenzy that went into effect
against those states has even remotely begun to materialize.

This boycott is *already* a flop.  Mr. Williams posted something
which is far more likely to have an impact - and it is the
exact *opposite* of what the TT's of soc.motss are calling for.

>	   Now what happens if no boycott materializes?  That's
> 	right.  These fair-weather gay rights supporters vanish.
> 	I support the boycott.

As there was little, if any, threat of boycott <boom> <crash>
before the vote, I think it *very* unlikely they were concerned
in the slightest.  I have no intention of supporting a boycott,
as if it even exists.

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Originator: swc@swcdev
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:42:37 GMT


In article <Bxtpv1.B15@fig.citib.com>, glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
|> 
|> In article <BxsBwH.EGF@queernet.org>, rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
|> |> In article <1992Nov15.162201.11450@wixer.cactus.org>, lazarus@wixer.cactus.org
|> |> (Michael Lax) writes:
|> |> |> Some of us think he's a hunk, others think he's white trash.
|> |> 
|> |> Some of us think he's both.
|> 
|> And therefore find ourselves getting a bit fluffy when we 
|> look at him.
|> 
|> I wouldn't push him off if he sat on *my* face.
|> 
|> -- 
|> Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
|> Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
|> New York, New York  10043
|> The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.


Considering you face seats 5, I don't imaging you WOULD push him off....



	<ducking....>


-- 

Steve Carpenter                                  
5 Jane St.  New York, NY  10014-1934
(212) 691-8547                                  CIS: 70313,122
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: raffin@fhr.ma30.bull.com (Patrick Raffin)
Subject: Re: Queers in military in other countries???
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:06:50 GMT

In article <4bz1fcm@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccsouth27.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>wlp@calmasd.Prime.COM (Walt  Peterson) writes:
>
>
>As far as I remember the WASHINGTON MONTHLY article, Italy and Spain [?]
>also have bans. I'm not sure if they are both in NATO, however.
>
They haven't and they are.



--
Patrick RAFFIN, raffin@fhr.bull.com 
  __       Just a French tourist,
  \/       doesn't speak English, nor Unix
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Cheese-Louise
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:50:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.214642.27672@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.164556.25749@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
> >It is generally recognized that this holiday exists
> >for the sole purpose of allowing the (largely Irish) employees of the
> >City of Boston to spend St. Patrick's day in the appropriate fashion
> >(i.e., getting plastered).]
> 
> As an Irish-American, I resent this!

I didn't mean *you* Steve -- you're not an employee of the City of
Boston, are you?

> The purpose of Evacuation Day is
> to allow folks to attend the St. Patrick's Day Parade and boo the Gay
> Irish group as they pass by, surrounded by police.  AND get plastered.

I might be mistaken, but I thought the parade was held on a nearby
weekend, not necessarily on the 17th itself -- so that people *other*
than government employees in Suffolk County wouldn't have to take time
off in order to engage in said appropriate activities.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Not Enough Sucking on Keanu
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:21:04 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Nov16.020627.26465@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>ObMotss - it was rumoured that Christian Slater had a thing for Winona
>Ryder. I don't know about that, but I think he's attractive.

Well, he does Jack Nicholson better than Jack Nicholson.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:04:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov16.200449.27480
Distribution: na,uk
Organization: insert anything here

stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:
>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>>	Someday, SOMEDAY we might grow up enough to choose
>>our idols with our heads instead of our balls.  That will
>>make the choice doubly-sweet if said choice is also *HOT* by our
>>own "standards of objectifyable excellence".
>>

>Oh c'mon, Bob.  There's a difference between an idol and an object of lust. 

	Is there?   I think that depends on the person.

>Objects of lust are allowed a little more leeway. If Mr. Marky Mark was 
>exactly the same person yet had lots of body hair, a beard, and fit the "bear"
>image, I'm sure you're comment would be much more muted.  Methinks thou doth
>protest too much.

	I am *so* fucking sick of this argument.  It makes the basic
assumption that deep down we're all as petty and shallow as the most
visible shallow person among us.  What utter crap.  While this might
be a reflection of how*you* think, Stephen, (for which I am utterly
surprised) it doesn't necessarily apply to me.  

	Sorry, you're barking up the wrong bear.  Better luck next time.
For your collective edification, when confronted with the scenario above
my reaction tends to be "nice bear - too bad he's such an asshole".
aI can think of a few people where I work that fit this description - on
a purely physical level they might be very hot, but knowing them, and
not liking it makes it impossible for me to even think aboutoutside of those 
terms.

	Now of course it could be that some of the people I lust after
are in reality complete jerks, and I just don't know it yet.  That in 
fact has happened before on campus.  I guess the overriding motto is:
there are plenty of bears in the sea why waste time on the assholes?

	Put another way - it is interesting to see how much the people I have
respect for I think are attractive even if they don't spark lust in my heart.
The same goes the other way - almost all of the people I cna't stand I am
not attracted to - and some of them could be described as "bears".

	Methinks you assume too much.  How sad.

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Subject: Re: Fundamentalists and the clitoris
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University
	<1992Nov12.035614.14567@funlwb.enet.dec.com>
	<BOB.92Nov11210959@dolores.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Nov17.050246.12001@funlwb.enet.dec.com>
	<1992Nov18.192933.7984@Princeton.EDU>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:36:11 GMT

I remember going to high school in NEw Jersey. I went to a pretty good high
school with fairly progressive teachers. While I was there, a lot of the old
textbooks the school had were replaced.

I remember my history teacher telling me that the new book we got was ok, but
that there was a much better book which he wasn't allowed to use because it
treated evolution as fact.

I remember my biology teacher teaching about evolution, but having to couch it
with all kinds of qualifiers and giving us the option to skip the class and 
basically not really teaching it as fact. He talked about evolution in general,
but his only comment on the evolution of humanity was that "some people believe
that this theory should be applied to people." He later told me that he is
forbidden to discuss it in any more depth than that and that he fears that if
he did teach it more definitely, religious fundamentalists would try to have
him fired. Also notably, the reading list skipped the book's section 
on evolution.

I know that right now there's a woman who used to be a close friend of mine, 
who is still a friend but is a lot less close because her fundamentalist 
religion tells her I'm evil incarnate, and I think they've convinced her I'm
trying to have sex with her son, who is my age. (Actually, if he didn't live
2000 miles away... but anyway.) 

I remember coming downstairs and finding my grandmother watching some radical
fundamentalist person preaching on tv about the evils of homosexuality... and 
she told me that she believed that gay people should be put in concentration 
camps. I had almost worked up the courage to come out at that point, but my 
grandmother's comment, thanks to the fundamentalist influence, delayed my 
coming out by three years.

If you want to see evil incarnate, look at America's religious fundamentalists.
They've caused unimaginably large amounts of damage to this country, and they
are poised to make it even worse for us. 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Subject: Re: Surly French waiters
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:00:15 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Nov21.212619.29280@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>In article <nosenseofirony@kaa.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>>So Frenchmen are naturally surly, are they?  Well I suppose it might
>>seem that way to Americans, stupid and vulgar as they are.

My experience is that, in general, Parisian waiters are surly.  If you want 
to put them in their place, ask for Ketchup.  Don't use the Ketchup, just
asking for it is sufficient.  :-)

...Max
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