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From: maniac@unlv.edu (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
Subject: URGENT:  Need advice on doing stuff we've never done before.
Organization: Too many
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:22:54 GMT

To The Point:  I work for a Novell reseller who, up till now, has only
worked in DOS only environments.  Now, we have two days to prepare a
bid on a system involving DOS, Macs, and a Sun Workstation.  What
I'm interested in is any advice or rule-of-thumb documents (or any
other ftp'able documents that will help) on the following subjects.

1:  The current state of Mac-to-Netware interconnectivity.  Last time
I checked, it required a dedicated 'router'.  I'm pretty sure that 
3.11 now has NLM's that will handle this, but I need to find out for
sure, and find out what the memory and other requirements are.

2:  Same for NFS interconnectivity, emphasis on WS accessing Novell
FS, but also interested in other machines accessing the Sun WS.

3:  Removable SCSI drives.  Due to onsite security regulations, it
will be necessary to secure the FS hard drive in a safe.  How well
does 3.11 handle removable media?  I understand that 4.0 does, but I'd
like to be able to know what can be done with what is out now.

Please reply as soon as possible, my boss dropped this in my lap a 
few minutes ago.

-- 
Eric J. Schwertfeger, maniac@cs.unlv.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: bpc@unb.ca (Brian Cassidy)
Subject: Re: RPRINTER with Windows 3.1?
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:46:19 GMT

>Would someone please answer this openly also rather than Email.  I'm having
>trouble with rprinter and Win3.1.
You could try a replacement tsr such as I-Queue! Server.
   I-Queue! Server is a software utility that allows you to turn a
   printer connected to any workstation on your network into a
   shared printer.  I-Queue! Server runs as a small TSR on the
   workstation providing shared access to the printer (or multiple
   printers) via the standard NetWare print queue mechanism.

   Since NetWare already includes RPRINTER to provide a similar
   service, you may be wondering why you need I-Queue! Server.
   We shared that opinion until we actually tried to run RPRINTER
   in our offices, and judging from the volume of problems reported
   in the printing sections of the NOVB, NETW2X and NETW3X forums on
   CompuServe, we are not alone.

   I-Queue! Server was designed primarily to address the following
   requirements:

     1.) Compatibility with workstations running Microsoft Windows.

     2.) Compatibility with more printer ports without the requirement
         for "hardware interrupt support".

     3.) Faster printing speed.  (I-Queue! Server is 2 to 4 times
         faster than RPRINTER depending on the speed of the PC it
         is running on.)

     4.) The availability of an RPRINTER replacement in a 30-day
         trial version format so that users can "try before they buy".

Contact:
INFINITE TECHNOLOGIES
11433 CRONRIDGE DRIVE, SUITE H
OWINGS MILLS, MD  21117
(410)-363-1097
MHS: Support @ Infinite
CompuServe: >MHS:Support @ Infinite (or 73270,405)
Internet: Support@Infinite.MHS.CompuServe.com

Brian Cassidy <BPC@UNB.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: Dial-in to a Netware 3.11 Server
Keywords: Dial-in, Netware 3.11
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:56:25 GMT

In article <Jan.27.09.01.17.1993.24454@gandalf.rutgers.edu> abhagwat@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Anand Bhagwat) writes:

>  We have six Novell 3.11 servers at Facilities at Rutgers University.
>We need remote users to dial-in into our system for entering data into
>database systems. Based on a LAN times review, I bought Shiva Corp. 
>Lanrover /E for a 10 Base-T ethernet and we got burned. The thing
>doesn't work for a file server-PC environment. It is very very slow
>(using 9600 V.42 modems). It takes literally 5 minutes to go from one
>screen to the other.

Are you perhaps expecting too much? 9600 bps is less than 1/1000th of
Ethernets' data rate. It's going to take much longer, particulalry
if you're trying to run any kind of graphics, over such a link.

>                     We need remote dial-in to access two DBMS :
>1) An Xbase product writteen in DBXL Quicksilver.
>2) An Advanced Revelation product.

Do these have a text-mode front end? If so, you may need to try it.
(Look for something you can configure for a terminal or something of
the sort, or at least try a monochrome setup.)

>Does anyone have experience with products which work well in file
>server environments ? We need around 4 to 8 remote users to dial in 
>simultaneously on each server.

I suspect the problem is too much data trying to be stuffed through
too small a pipe. (I hate Windows, menus, pop-up-pull-down-exploding
screens, and all that. Incredible waste of resources. :-) )

There are async servers, that will function basically the same as
your Shiva. Novell has one (something like NACS comes to mind), and
there're some others. I really doubt, though, that they'll solve your
problem.


-- 
Gary Heston    SCI Systems, Inc.  gary@sci34hub.sci.com   site admin
The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
Windows NT documentation: "Command to change password    CTL-ALT-DEL"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: andrews@msdrl.com (Richard Andrews)
Subject: Re: Can Novell support 75+ workstations?
Organization: Merck Research Laboratories
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:53:09 GMT

I've seen a NetWare server with over 230 connections utilizing under 20% of
the CPU.  The connections were for programs, mail, and other network traffic
(not just a map).

-rla
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: nectar@world.std.com (Jacques A Vidrine)
Subject: Re: Windows For Workgroups + NetWare = ?
Keywords: W4W NetWare Lantastic
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:43:27 GMT

sholmste@novell.com (Shawn Holmstead) writes:

>In article <chris.206.728167640@marvin.ag.uidaho.edu> chris@marvin.ag.uidaho.edu (Chris Magagna) writes:
>>I have a faculty with a CD-ROM drive in his machine about to connect to our 
>>3.11 network.  He wants to make this drive available to a few of his 
>>research associates.  
>>
>>Our original plan was to install Windows for Workgroups on the three 
>>machines, but our local software dealer informs me that W4W and NetWare 
>>cannot coexist (presumably because of the falling out between Novell and 
>>Microsoft), and he recommends Lantastic.

Windows for Workgroups and Netware coexist without any problems.  Your
software dealer is terribly uninformed.

Windows for Workgroups works much better than Lantastic+Windows.  One catch
you want to look out for, however, is that in order for a workstation to
share its resources (like your faculty member's machine), it must be able to
run in Windows enhanced mode.  This means you need a 386sx or better with
2 Mb RAM or (hopefully) more.

>>
>>Lantastic will be a more expensive solution (Microsoft gives great 
>>educational discounts), plus it's an unknown quantity because we've never 
>>used it here before.
>>
>>So, faithful net, will W4W work with NetWare, or should I go with Lantastic, 
>>or is there something behind door #3?  Thanks for any help.

>You might want to consider NetWare Lite 1.1.  NetWare Lite co-exists fine
>with NetWare 3.11 and will allow you to share the CD drive.  Just load the
>NetWare Lite server program on the machine with the CD, and the client
>program on the 2 other machines who want to access the CD.  You will have to
>have 3 copies of NetWare Lite though because each copy is serialized.

NetWare Lite 1.1 is a bigger pain in the neck to integrate with Netware 3.11
than Windows for Workgroups or Lantastic.  Its features, performance, and
Windows support are all below average.

I've used all three of the products in various configurations.  I would
GUESS (all I can do, without knowing specifics of your situation) that
WfWG would be your best bet.

Oh, yeah, I forgot the obvious: if you don't expect to use Windows primarily,
then WfWG is probably the wrong choice.  Go with Lantastic.
-- 
Jacques A. Vidrine...	   |
nectar@world.std.com	   | What man has made,
			   | man can destroy.
			   |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: bm29@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Bob Matsuoka)
Subject: Re: Macs and token ring -- war stories?
Reply-To: bm29@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Bob Matsuoka)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:28:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.211049.7041@news.acns.nwu.edu> tracy@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Phil Tracy) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I'm looking for some war stories, positive or negative, preferably
>impartial, about hooking up Macs to Novell networks using the new
>token ring drivers that have appeared in the last few months.
>
>I have only 1 or 2 Macs to connect to an existing token ring.  I don't
>think it makes sense to wire an ethernet of 2 macs and 1 server, so I
>thought I'd check with the NetFolks and see what you all think about
>Mac Token Ring.  Does it work?  Well?  Does is stink?  What do you think?
>Thanks!  I'll summarize responses if any indicates any interest.
>
>    - Phil
>
>
I run T/R networks with about 100 Macs, from SE/30s up to Quadras, using DCA's MacIRMAtrak T/R board.  I have had no major problems to speak of, and DCA has been very good about upgrading their drivers to work with variuos appletalk releases, ARA, etc. I have had more problems with NW-Mac, but 3.011 seems to have fixed many of those.

As far as adding an ethernet branch to your network, you might consider one for adding communications/printing services, which are much more plentiful/cheaper than their T/R equivalents.

--Bob



------------------------------------
Bob Matsuoka 
New Lab for Teaching and Learning
From: gram@aim1.aztec.co.za (Graham Wheeler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Novell Lite and CU/TCP
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:58:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: aim1.gram.728053122
Organization: Aztec Information Management

Hi all

I have a friend who has Novell Lite and is trying to get it to work with
his TCP/IP. When he uses the packet driver that comes with Novell Lite,
CU/TCP doesn't recognise it, and when he uses the Crynwr packet driver,
Novell Lite doesn't recognise it. 

Has anyone had Novell Lite and CU/TCP working together on the same PC without
difficulty, and if so, how is it done? At present, the only solution seems
to be changing the config.sys file and rebooting each time he wants to change
from one to the other.

Thanks in advance
Graham

-- 
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Network Systems Programmer         | that which is soft conquers the hard."
Aztec Information Management       | 		Lao Tzu - Tao Te Ching Ch. 78
gram@aim1.aztec.co.za              | There's no justice, there's just us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: Toward a more persistent login.exe
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:16:58 GMT

In article <holbor.45.0@ccmail.orst.edu> holbor@ccmail.orst.edu (Richard Holbo) writes:
>login.  As I mentioned in my previous post, I use this ability of Dos to use
>volume names in search drives a LOT with machines that use Boot ROMS.

I am using Boot ROMs too.  The booting process always looks for
AUTOEXEC.BAT in the current search path.  So what I did was move
AUTOEXEC.BAT to one of the directories in the path.  It was not
necessary to create \LOGIN directories on the user volumes, nor
to alter the DOS PATH or to MAP a search drive to SYS:\LOGIN.
This is true for remote booting, at least.

Thanks to you, and thanks to John Villalovos, for putting me on the
right track!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: s1110238@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Lee Hollingworth)
Subject: Re: Screen Saver
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:15:50 GMT

gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston) writes:

>In article <s1110238.727532517@giaeb> s1110238@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Lee Hollingworth) writes:
>>Does anyone know of a NetWare compatible TSR screensaver.  That is
>>one that does not stop the background process.

>Why bother? NW 3.11 already has a screensaver built in. Unless you have
>an aversion to a string of colored blocks crawling around on your monitor...

Thanks to all who suggested using monitor.nlm.  The problem is (as I should
have pointed out in my original posting) is that we are running Novell
NetWare 2.0a.  I know this is so antiquated it is beyond belief, however
I'm not the one who pays the bills :-)

>Besides, a TSR wouldn't be usable on a dedicated server, you'd need an NLM.

It is not a dedicated server, (we have three stations and one server), and
I don't believe NLM's are appropriate for our old version of NetWare.

Lee Hollingworth
s1110238@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: mikef@som.yale.edu (Michael Fanara)
Subject: Re: server crashing
Organization: Yale University School of Management
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:21:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.155536.10982@cs.yale.edu> mikef@som.yale.edu (Michael Fanara) writes:
>Fellow netters,
>
>I was wondering if anyone could help?  I have a small 10-user version of 3.11
>running on ethernet with Model 80 8/MB RAM as the server.  It seems that the
>server has been crashing about 1 or 2 times a week. It's not crashing hard,
>but never the less, still crashing.
>
>The problem seems to be that the server can not write to the SYS volume. The
>files that seem to pop up in the vol$log.err file quit often are the 
>Q_000E.SRV and .SYS files. The error message is as follows:
>
>Volume mount had the following errors that were fixed.
>Problem with file Q_000E.SRV (TTS file was not changed) length kept=0 had
>allocated=4096.

I'm also getting errors like the following: 

1.1.138 Insufficient directory space or memory to preserve SYS :Backout.TTS
during file erase

1.1.45 Error writting to directory on CDO/SYS:

I'm not receiving any errors when I run vrepair. ?

I'm also getting pre-write and pre-read errors on the same volume

I don't see the actual ABEND message because by the time I get to the server 
console, the screen has scrolled with all of the above messages.

>
>I know these files are associated with the print queues, but I can't figure
>out why the server can't write to them.  I've looked at the Re-directed blocks
>but there are none shown. I've been using Pserver.exe 1.22 for some time now.
>Is there a problem with 1.22?  I did switch from 1.21.
>
>The printer - HPIII is directly attached to the server and does not get  
>overused.  Would anyone have some suggestions on what could be the problem?
>All suggestions would be very appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Mike Fanara
>Yale School of Management
>mikef@homey.som.yale.edu
>
>
>
>
From: spanton@oswald.cs.odu.edu (William Spanton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Seeking Menu Software
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:13:11 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA

What menu programs do you prefer to use instead of Novell's?  I am seeking
menu software that runs on Novell 3.11 and on stand-alone computers.  
Security is my first priority.

Thanks for your assistance.

Bob
From: ntprlr@eskimo.com (NightProwler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: <Netware 3.11 and Windows 3.1
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:49:47 GMT
Organization: Ghost in the Shell
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Mark A. Nugent (mnugent@bio3.acpub.duke.edu) wrote:
: 	Students need to be able to login and logout within Windows.  

Oooo....this is not a good idea.  Windows likes to have all the drive mappings
(as well as print captures) "set" prior to launching windows....and windows
absolutely *hates* to have a user logout from under it....things have a
tendency to to go "boom".  :( Anyway, if you come up with a way to logout and
login while in windows, please let us know, because it's kind of a major
sticking point in our deployment.

Also, if you could make program groups appear and disappear from the desktop
when a user is/isn't logged in would be a cool trick.

: Being  able to use the built in screen savers would be very nice.  However, 
: I have never been able
: to get the drive mappings/search paths to work properly.  When users start
: an application, they need to work in their own home directory, not the
: directory where the software is located.  

I think you can do this by setting up the "current working directory" in the
PIF (if it's a DOS app), or you set up a uniform mapping patter for the user's
home directory (like, do a map root at the user level, and then always make
the working directory 'u:\' or something, y'know?).

: Also, when users logout, the paths need to be reset somehow. 

This is part of windows not liking to have novell log out from under it...

: 	We use a lot of non-Windows math applications which make everything
: tricky.  If anyone can give me some information or tell me where to find
: it, I would be most appreciative.

Novell is starting to put together a course on "Windows on Netware", which is
overpriced, but hey, it gives you some good info...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: joet@dcatlas.dot.gov (Joe Trott)
Subject: Re: NetWare problems: Capture, Map...
Organization: U.S Dept. of Transportation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:11:49 GMT

tbc@netcom.com (Mike Garvey) writes:

>Is there any way for the Windows users to access all six printers equally
>easy, like the chooser on the Macintosh (all print queues show up fine in
>the chooser)?

You could set up a menu that would run different CAPTURE commands to the
different queues.

>Second, I think I've found a NetWare bug related to the map command as used
>in login scripts (either system or user).  With the following login script:

>map display off
>dos break off
>break off
>pccompatible
>if login_name="supervisor" then begin
>	map *1:=sys:system
>	else
>	map root f:=sys:jobs
>end
>map s1:=sys:public
>dos set_id="%login_name"
>dos set prompt="$p$g"
>map
>exit

>repeated logins and logouts to the server erase the last entry in the dos
>path (and correspondingly reduce the number of search paths that map
>reports) until there is no path left at all.  For example:

This is _not_ a bug.  The  map s1:=...  command _replaces_ the first path
entry with the netware directory.  When you log out, this is of course
deleted, since you no longer have access to Netware directories.  The
solution to this problem is to change your script to say  map INSERT s1:=...
This will _insert_ this directory into your existing path in the first
position.  When you log out, it will be deleted and your path will be as it
was.
If your example above was verbatim, you also need to change your IF... to:
if "%LOGIN_NAME" = "SUPERVISOR" then begin

Netware identifiers need to be all caps and in quotes.  In your example, the
syntax is valid, but isn't going to yield the desired results (will always
be false).

-JTT
From: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: UnixWare
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:36:35 GMT
Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept.

mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:

>In article <1993Jan20.232209.16851@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, altman@cs.sunysb.edu (Jeff Altman) writes:
>> Thomas Wieske (thw@mcshh.Hanse.DE) wrote:
>> : Sorry, no. I looking in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin (ls -l f* t*), i can't
>> : find ftp, telnet etc.
>> : Is this not includet in Personal Edition from UnixWare?
>> : 
>> TCP/IP support is an optional package for UnixWare.
>> Don't know the exact pricing structure.

>  And this is the Unix of the future? Gary Heston is right:
>:-( just isn't enough here.

This is not only the UNIX of the future, it is the UNIX of the past, also.
I have quite a few UNIX variants here and the only UNIX variants that
came with TCP/IP are Sun's OS and IBM's AIX!  (the sample here includes
UNIX variants for everything from Intel 286 machines on up to miniframes).
Hate to burst your bubble, but networking is often an 'add-on'.  In this 
case IPX networking is included and TCP/IP is an 'add-on'.

>		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
>	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
>		-- Hobbes to Calvin
>		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
>		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: RFARR@NOVELL.COM (Rich Farr)
Subject: Re: UnixWare
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:26:41 GMT

In article <thw.727519231@mcshh.hanse.de> thw@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Thomas Wieske) writes:
>From: thw@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Thomas Wieske)
>Subject: Re: UnixWare
>Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 08:40:31 GMT
>RFARR@NOVELL.COM (Rich Farr) writes:
>
>>In article <thw.727390934@mcshh.hanse.de> thw@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Thomas Wieske) writes:
>>>From: thw@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Thomas Wieske)
>>>Subject: Re: UnixWare
>>>Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 21:02:14 GMT
>>>schansen@amc.com (Scott Hansen) writes:
>>>
>>>>>>Unfortunately this isn't true.  There are no on-line manpages, for
>>>>>>example, and I'm not even sure that you can get printed manpages.  I
>>>>>>didn't examine UnixWare much further to discover what else was
>>>>>>missing; for the purposes for which we were evaluating UnixWare, that
>>>>>>was enough to kill it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sorry, you should have looked a little closer before scrapping it.  I'm 
>>>>>running UnixWare A.S. *WITH* man pages.  Again, UnixWare *is* a full 
>>>>>featured Unix.  
>>>
>>>>UnixWare is not just another Unix derivative, by Novell.  It *IS* USL's
>>>>Destiny with Novell's IPX/SPX and related NetWare utilities bolted
>>>>on...
>>>And what ist with IP. I can't find telnet, ftp...etc.....
>>They are in /usr/sbin.  You may wish to create links to them from /usr/bin
>Sorry, no. I looking in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin (ls -l f* t*), i can't
>find ftp, telnet etc.
>Is this not includet in Personal Edition from UnixWare?
No, it's not in the Personal Edition.  It is in the Application Server.  If 
you want TCP/IP for P.E. get the TCP/IP & NFS package for PE from Univel.
From: cjn@vaal.cpr.upenn.edu (Christopher Nagel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: FOR SALE: NW 3.11, 20-User
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:34:27 GMT

Hello,

  We bought a 20-user version of NW 3.11, and by the time installation was  
imminent, we'd grown beyond our expectations!  So, we've a mostly unused copy  
of NW 3.11 w/manuals, etc.  The disks have been opened, but only one of them  
has been used.
  
  I will allow whomever buys it to inspect our installation to ensure that s/he  
gets the *only* copy of this software.
  
  Price: $930.00.
  
Thanks,
Chris Nagel
University of Pennsylvania
3600 Market St, Ste. 700
Philadelphia, PA 19104-2648
From: villalj@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (John Villalovos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: Making a read only account on 3.11
Keywords: read-only, system administration
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:59:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: flop.1juvvvINNfod
Organization: Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: xanth.cs.orst.edu

In article <24JAN199314325703@utkvx2.utk.edu> fnixon@utkvx2.utk.edu (Nixon, John Fred) writes:
>I would like to make an account that has read only access to files in
>all directories. The purpose is to have a "safe" account which can be
>used to read any file on the server. We are running 3.11. I have read the
>manuals, and as far as I can figure it, I wold have to add [r f] 
>permissions to each directory to the account. Surely there is a better
>way to do this? 

Have you tried giving the user account [R F] rights to the root of the volume.
The rights will then cascade down the directory structure.

Later,
-- 
John Villalovos
Certified Netware Engineer
villalj@xanth.cs.orst.edu
(503) 753-7883