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From: fschultz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Fred A Schultz)
Subject: Timelines for Star Trek Universe
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:03:21 GMT


A couple of weeks ago somebody posted in two parts a timeline for the Star Trek
Universe, including such things as dates of commissions of ships mentioned in 
TNG etc.  Well, I just figured out how to get hard copies of my e-mail here, so
I would appreciate it if somebody would mail me these timelines.  Unfortunately
the computer here at Ohio State doesn't keep messages more than a few hundred 
back. The message numbers were 17736 and 17737 here at OSU.  Thanks in advance 
to anyone who replies!  --Fred
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: Blooper in Rascals? *minor SPOILERS*
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:35:28 EST


 -=> On 11-10-92  11:34, 01lucas babbled to All saying: <=-

 01> When I was re-watching Rascals, I noticed that when the Ferengis take
 01> over the bridge and shoot Worf, Riker then dives away from nothing.
 01> Maybe the phaser beam was close enough for him to jump away, but it
 01> sounded to me like the other Ferengi was firing.  Baybe he was firing
 01> at Riker, but the FX people forgot to include the beam nearly hitting
 01> Riker.  Antway, it looked kind of funny to see Riker jump away from
 01> nothing.

He was obviously falling to the ground to avoid anymore phaser fire.
You have terrists on a ship, everyone instinctively falls to the ground
to avoid getting shot.


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From: dstuart@desire.wright.edu
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Subject: ST:TNG has gone down the toilet!
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:06:24 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 


	ST:TNG has finally lost all creativity.  I swear,
all the episodes are either a holodeck adventure, the crew gets possessed,
or the teleporter solves the problem.  And I wish they could find a new
look for aliens other than that "cheezier than hell" energy sphere that
floats around until it decides to possess a crew member.  And how many
possible characters can Brent Spiner play?  Don't get me wrong, he is
one of the best actors on the show, but pleeeeze.  Off hand I can think
of Data, Lor, Dr. whathisface (Data's creator), various and sundry Varmits
in "AFFOD" (if you guys know of any more post them).  AND FOR ONCE CAN THE
WRITERS LET WORF WIN AT LEAST ONE FIGHT.  Also, how many times can Yar
be incorprated back into the plot after she is dead?  She can hardly act
as it is, why do they keep bringing her back? I'm finished, Flame at
will.

					STU
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From: mfdanie@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL FREDRIC DANIEL)
Subject: An Ode to Spot
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:53:12 GMT

Will someone who has the text from Data's "Ode to Spot"
please e-mail it to me directly?

Thanks!

_______________________________________________________________________________
  /\ \ _  o              		Michael Daniel
 / |/ \ \    |   _       		mfdanie@eos.ncsu.edu
   /  / / |  |/ /_\      		"Insert witty quote here"
  /     \/ \/|\_\__/      		
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From: cad3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHERYL ANN DOUGHERTY)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST: TNG on Joan Rivers
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:52:52 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov20.025430.26037@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (M
ichael Rosen) writes:
>cad3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHERYL ANN DOUGHERTY) writes:
>
>>Jonathan Frakes: Discussed his long diastance marriage: Joan sent her best to
>>Genie and asked about the possibilty of Genie moving back to the west coast.
>>They talked about the accumulation of frequent flyer miles and high phone
>>bills ($400-500/month--each).  Joan asked him if he ever gets lonely and goes
>>out with other people.  Followed up with a question about other women (Frakes'
>
>I must say, Frakes sure has a good looking wife...  What soap is she
>on again?

None.  Her contract on All My Children expired in June.  Her character's
husband migrated to Loving a few weeks ago and still mention's Genie's
character, but there have been no guest appearances yet.

>
>>Marina Sirits: Joan made joking references to the short, tight black dress
>>thatr Sirtis wore for the show.  It turns out a neighbor of hers had died that
>>day after planting four cases of dynamite in her backyard.  Sirtis was
>>evacuated from her house and had to go shopping for clothes to appear on the
>>show.  She also discussed her husband (they showed a wedding photo), marriage,
>>commitment, and her lack of an engagement ring.
>
Excuse me, Mike, but she showed Joan her WEDDING BAND, and even stated that
she only had a wedding band.  Hence, no engagement ring, with or without a
"rock."


>No, not lack of engagement ring, but lack of a "Rock."  She had a
>ring, just nothing flashy.  That's funny that the dynamite thing
>happened just that day - I had heard the story on the radio a few
>weeks ago.  Seems she lives under the Hollywood sign and the whole
>neighborhood was evacuated.  They even printed the street name.
>
>Mike
>--
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>Tau Epsilon Phi - George Washington University          can be a bitch."
>mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu                                     -Quantum Leap
>Michael.Rosen@bbs.oit.unc.edu or @lambada.oit.unc.edu
>
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review "The Quality of Life" SPOILERS!
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:44:56 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> I dunno, for some reason I liked the episode besides the awful doctor and
> Data's insubordination.  I think what was stupid, cheezy and downright get a
> life ish was the grading of 9.3 like it was worked out with an algorithm.
> When some one asks for a scale of one to ten they mean intergers, and if you
> were going to be creative you could have given it an e or something, prove
> what an engineering dork you are.  As for the complaining about the get a life
> type sterotype of some of you trekkies:  if the shoe fits wear it.

Please don't insult me by calling me an engineer.  I am a physicist.
There is a world of difference.

As for the get a life attitude, I would tend to agree with you a little
and argue against you a lot on this point.

First I would argue against you for lumping me in with "you Trekkies."
I do not consider myself such a thing, as I have an extreme dislike for
the original series.  I do consider myself a fan of the current series.
What I object to is your lumping me in with the same people who I don't
like, mainly the ones who watch an episode with their hatchets ready to
come down on any plot, line, or scenario that even mildly resembles an
old episode of either TOS or TNG or even anything else they've ever heard of.

I don't watch the show like that.  I just sit back and watch it and see
if it entertains me.  Only afterward do I start thinking, "Now what were
the origins of this episode?" and if I think of something, I say, "Oh,
that's cool."  If the episode instead really is a carbon-copy of something
that has been done before and is so blatant about it that it intrudes on
my enjoyment of it, then I start to not like this one very much.

"The Quality of Life" didn't do that for me.  I didn't think about the
parallels to "Evolution" until after the thing was over, where such
thoughts belong.  Every episode is inevitably going to borrow ideas from
SOMETHING SOMEWHERE and the trick is to write and/or direct it in such
a way that this borrowing will not be obvious to an average viewer who
ISN'T LOOKING FOR BORROWING OR CLICHES.  If you can't manage that, then
you've got a dud episode.  In this case, TQOL worked on this level, at
least for me.  
However, I think a lot of you are missing out on a lot of entertainment
by going into every single episode ready to find the reuses and mistakes
on the first viewing.  You aren't suspending your disbeliefs like you
should be.  Just sit back and don't think *too* much about the fact that
it's a TV show.  Think for that fifty minutes that this could perhaps
be happening.  Then after the fifty minutes, come back to TV-land and
assess what was good about the episode as a TV show, or what was bad about
it.  
If you can't lose yourself in the fantasy, then your time watching it is
also lost.  Special effects can only do so much.  We have to help out a
little.  It's called "forgiveness."


Steven.K.Manfred





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From: james@library.nrl.navy.mil (James King)
Subject: Christmas Post - part 2
Organization: NRL
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.*
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:34:02 GMT

Here's part two:


'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the ship
Not a circuit was buzzing, not one microchip;
The phasers were hung in the armourery securely,
In hope that no alien would get up that early.
The crewmen were nestled all sung in their bunks
(Except for the few who were partying drunks)
And Picard in his nightshirt, and Bev in her lace,
Had just settled down for a neat face to face...

When out in the hall there arose such a racket,
That we leapt from our beds, pulling on pant and jacket.
Away to the lifts we all shot like a gun,
Leapt into the turbos and shouted "Deck One!"
The bridge red-alert lights, which flashed through the din,
Gave a lustre of Hades to objects within.
When, what on the viewscreen, our eyes should behold,
But a weird kind of sleigh, and some guy who looked old.

But the glint in his eyes was so strange and askew,
That we knew in a moment it had to be Q.

His sleigh grew much larger as closer he came.
Then he zapped on the bridge and addressed us by name:
"It's Riker, It's Data, It's Worf and Jean-Luc!
It's Geordi, and Wesley, the genetic fluke!
To the top of the bridge, to the top of the hall!
Now float away! Float away!
Float away all!"

As leaves in the autumn are whisked off the street,
So the floor of the bridge came away from our feet,
And up to the ceiling, our bodies they flew,
As the captain called out,"what the Hell is this, Q?!"
The prankster just laughed and expanded his grin,
And, snapping his fingers, he vanished again.
As we took in our plight, and were looking around,
The spell was removed, and we crashed to the ground.
Then Q, dressed in fur from his head to his toe,
Appeared once again, to continue the show.
"That's enough!" cried the captain, "You'll stop this at once!"
And Riker said, "Worf, take aim at this dunce!"
"I'm deeply offended, Jean-Luc" replied Q,
"I just wanted to celebrate Christmas with you."

As we scoffed at his words, he produced a large sack.
He dumped out the contents and took a step back.
"I've brought gifts," he said, "just to show I'm sincere.
There's something delightful for everyone here."
He sat on the floor, and dug into the pile,
And handed out gifts with his most charming smile:

"For Counsellor Troi, there's no need to explain.
Here's Tylenol-Beta for all of your pain.
For Worf I've some mints, as his breath's not too great
And for Geordi LaForge, an inflatable date."
For Wesley, some hormones, and Clearasil-plus;
For Data, a joke book, for Riker a truss.
For Beverly Crusher, there's sleek lingerie,
And for Jean-Luc, the thrill of just seeing her that way."
And he sprang to his feet with that grin on his face
And, clapping his hands, disappeared into space.

But we heard him exclaim as he dwindled from
sight, "Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good flight!"
From: wlm10@cd.amdahl.com (William L Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: I liked Fistful of Datas *** Major Spoilers ***
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:40:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Spoilers for Fistful of Datas . . .

























In article <1e15teINN7i5@gap.caltech.edu>, thogek@cco.caltech.edu
(Thomas G. Kiefer) writes:
>In article <8297@public.BTR.COM> rem@btr.BTR.COM (Robert E. Maas 
>rem@btr.com) writes:
>[lots o' stuff deleted]

>My only curiosity is Worf's instantly wonderous aim.  Maybe he should
>have a phaser built in the shape of a six-gun for himself.  ;-)
>-- 
>======================================================
>====> Thomas Kiefer <===> thogek@cco.caltech.edu <====
>======================================================

I kinda sorta half convinced myself that maybe Worf's aim wasn't all it
appeared to be.  I think that the holodeck program guided the bullets. 
That's right . . . it's my very own "Magic Bullet" theory.

The "heroes" fired two shots during the episode.  Both of them were
impossibly difficult trick shots: blowing a cowboy hat off of someone's 
head, and knocking a pistol out of someone's hand.  However, both shots 
were perfectly consistent with the gunslinger genre.  I submit that the 
stock holodeck Western program includes a clause stipulating that the 
good guys should be able to shoot exactly the way good guys are supposed 
to be able to shoot and hit the targets good guys are supposed to hit.

Such a program would probably do wonders for Worf's self esteem after 
the Ferengi debacle.

-Bill
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From: tilden@interceptor.ksu.ksu.edu (Tilden-Master of Illogic)
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Subject: Attn: StarTrek Posters
Date: 20 Nov 1992 15:51:37 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
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Nice posters available from Iconographics.
TNG and TOS available. Mail order from
9am-6pm.  Call 1-800-279-9779.
From: wetsel_r@wums.wustl.edu
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Subject: The Quality of Life---
Date: 23 NOV 92 16:16:04 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
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To be brief, all through this episode the only thing that came to mind was
that the script was a basic rehash of many previous scripts but especially
the one where Weasley turns the nanites lose.  Except this time he seems
to have more feeling for the Exo-comps than for the nanites.  IMHO, I thought
it was the same basic theme - nothing new...

This season has definately been disappointing thus far...

--- sorry, stupid editor (operator), he (in the third line - I really
mean Data ...

David
From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Blooper in "Fistfull..." Possible Spoilers.
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:26:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: cwis.tomcat.721873612
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha



Possible spoilers ahead...beware!






























POssible blooper, and I've checked over it a lot but not really sure, but did
Data use a contraction during the scene the Observation Lounge with Geordi,
Picard, and Riker.   The scene when they first noticed his "Ancient Western"
accent...he said "I've been studying" some sort of music...


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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: ST:VII - Entertainment Weekly
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:22:33 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

The most recent Entertainment Weekly reported that Shatner is pitching
a story for a Star Trek VII at Paramount and lobbying to direct it again.
The story idea revolves around a falling out between Spock and Kirk and
continues to follow their frustrations with each other throughout...

This was in the Entertainment Weekly with Dracula on the cover.. I forget
what page number.
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From: norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Communicators?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:24:42 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <75490@hydra.gatech.EDU> cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
>In article <BxyCrC.Jw5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip D. Russell) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov18.210748.11797@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> nieboer@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Doctor Gonzo) writes:
>>>I guess what I'm saying is, unless the computer is telepathic, there's just
>>>no way those damn things could work, even with all that technology.
>>
>>What gives you the idea that the message is "instantly" relayed?
>>
>>The communicators may act as pagers that record the message and send it
>>to the specified person. When the reciever responds, the message is played
>>back and then the two are begining a two way conversation.
>
>But we know this doesn't happen:  the response from the addressed party
>is too quick.  How many times have we seen something like the following
>happen?
>
>Scene:  on bridge of the Big E
>
>Riker (looks at ceiling):  "Dr. Crusher assemble a medical away team
>   and meet me in transporter room 3!"
>Crusher:  "On my way."
>
>Crusher responds immediately, as though she was just sitting around in
>sick bay with nothing to do, waiting for someone to call her on her
>communicator.  There is no time for recording, paging, playback, or
>anything kind of delayed delivery of the message.
>
>Tim





Oh Come on!  This is by far the most ridiculous discussion so far!

The computer is so quick that it can recognize the name and
send the message to the person within a fraction of a second 
after it is said...if the name is said last, the computer delays it
until the recipient is specified, then it sends it!  Either that or it
reads the persons mind...Come on!
If there is a delay, they just edit it out on the show so you don't
get a nasty echo effect.
Don't you guys have any creativity at all or must you take
absolutely everything literially?
Jeesh!
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From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
Subject: Re: Where are the VULCANS on TNG ???
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:56:07 GMT

plward@ll.mit.edu (paula l ward) writes:
>
>Where are the Vulcans on ST:TNG? I've just started watching it recently
>and I've only seen one. (And HE was paunchy(sp?), overweight and generally
>not very dignified for a being of such a noble race.) I liked Spock
>very much in TOS but they don't even have a science station now.
>I've picked up some references to an episode called 'Unification'. Is Spock
>in this? Does anyone know why we don't see Vulcans anymore? 

In the beginning .... (talk about your pronouncements!) they wanted 
TNG to have its own identity, thus, its own alien races.  (Worf and
the 'new Klingons' were added at the last minute.)  Since then TNG
has found its legs and can stand on its own, so they have gradually
shown more continuity, even to the point of inlucding Spock and his
father Sarek in episodes.  THere is ostensibly a Vulcan "Dr. Selar"
onboard the Enterprise, but we've only seen her in one episode.
Vulcans occasionally appear as ambassadors or admirals and the like.

But in general, we don't see them that often, since there is no 
central character who is Vulcan.  That's all.

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From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Beards vs. Make-up
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:42:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Nov22.214250.20281
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <1992Nov22.114245.2638@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> xenon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>re: Recent episode of Star Trek where Dr. Beverly Crusher says that beards are
>an "affectation" comparable to the wearing of makeup by women.
>
>It's funny, I've never had to actually *do* anything in order to have a
>beard... it grows all by itself, just like the hair on top of my head.  Unless
>I am willing to go through the daily ritual of scraping my face with a steel
>blade, I will have a beard, like it or not.
>
>Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that SHAVING is the "affectation"? 

I have to agree with you here.  But I would also have to mention that
the "beard" that just grows can turn into the beard from hell!  I've
seen a few of those.  Thus, the trimming and care to ensure a *neat*
and tidy beard could be considered comparable to wearing makeup.  And
why do *some* men allow their beards to grow?  Perhaps because they 
perceive a beard to be *attractive* to women (or they think it improves 
their looks, which amounts to the same thing) and thus having a beard
becomes very similar to women wearing makeup.  i.e. for the purpose of
attraction.

>I think the one similarity between beards and makeup is that each of these
>things is more popular with the sex that wears it than with the opposite sex,
>but I'd be willing to bet that there are a lot more men who don't like makeup
>than there are women who don't like beards... ;)
>
>- xenon

You may be right in your assumption.  Makeup can be particularly messy
(especially the day after the night before :-) ).  But I have to admit I
am one of those women who *loves* beards (and also bald men).  

Marg


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From: gsw5540@venus.tamu.edu (WEAVER, GREGG S)
Subject: Re: Trekkies vs. Trekkers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:28:00 GMT

In article <ogoh.722222814@sfu.ca>, ogoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Oon Goh) writes...
> 
>	"Trekkie" was used originally to refer to fans/ cult followers 
>of the original series.
>	With the new age politcal correctness movement, the arrival of a 
>new Star Trek; "The Next Generation" brought with it a new 
>set of fans who preferred to be refered to as "Trekkers" - term being
>more politically correct.

I have to disagree.  I'm certain I heard the term "Trekker" years ago
long before TNG came out.  The term didn't come into being because of the
"politically correct TNG fans."


Gregg Weaver


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