From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Poor Shannon
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:31:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.012517.23357@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
> 
> 
> Call me cynical, but I think "losing hope in the CCP" is a code word for
> "can't have a comfortable life". 

To some degree, Mark, you are right.  I think the purpose of most people in  
this world is to have a good and comfortable life. This good and comfortable  
life may not be achieved overnight, as many people agree. So, people cherish  
the hope that some day, by working hard, they will have a good life too. This  
is why "hope" is so important. Most Chinese people never give up "hope". 

Now, after the CSS mentioned above "lost their hope towards CCP", they believed  
that they could not realize their "hope" without getting rid of CCP. Also,  
there is another way to realize their "dream and hope" -- going to another  
country. This is why they left China and live here. However, I believe this is  
not their goal because they care about their countrymen's "hope". I believe  
they will do their best to help their countrymen to make their dream come true.

What do you think? I wouldn't call you cynical, In fact, I sometimes think that  
I am a more cynical man.

> >
> >The third kind of people are those who come here for better lives. They care  
> >less about the democracy and freedom in China. Some (if not many) are  
> >opportunists. However, these people usually just sit there and wait to be  
> >beneficiaries. Very few of them lobby hard and speak out. So, accusing them  
of  
> >lying and selling their own country is unfair. I don't think it is wrong to  
be  
> >beneficiary by doing nothing.
> 
> I do. In fact, I couldn't disagree more. Were the Japanese citizens who
> reaped all the benefits of Japan's occupation of China not guilty because
> they were "beneficiaries by doing nothing".

I think our opinions are different on this issue. I don't think the Japanese  
citizens you mentioned above were guilty. What could they do? Overthrew their  
goverment? What will you do if I tell you that the US is also reaping benifits  
from other countries? Do you think you are guilty? Are you going to overthrow  
your government, or are you going to put your policy makers into jail?

> 
> And why were those who *were* lobbying insistent on getting green cards
> for all Chinese. If there were some who did not deserve green cards, they
> should have been excluded from the bill.
> 

This is a difficult issure, mainly technical. How do you know who will be  
prosecuted and who will not? What is your standard of "prosecution"? Whom are  
you going to believe? If the policy makers had better ideas, they would have  
choosed the better one. The problem is you can not find a plan to specifically  
seperate CSS here into two groups (gruop 1 will be prosecuted and group 2 will  
not). So, I think the bill made a good choice among various plans. If you could  
submit another plan that sound more reasonable, I guess the lobbyers as well as  
the policy makers would be happy to accept you plan.

Carl
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