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From: dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith)
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Date: 6 Nov 92 00:42:00 GMT
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Dan, on my way home from work today I heard snippets of a radio newscaster
talking about a publication that was concerned with finding Dan Quayle a job.
It was decided that public speaking was not his forte, nor was singing.
The final decision was that he should do well in a golf pro shop.  As a
librarian, are you familiar with this?  Wish I had heard more; it was
"different," tstl.

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:13:31 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Clear the air
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On Thu, 12 Nov 1992 samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU wrote:

> Harwell, I must sadly divulge the fact that you are not looked
> upon as an authority on list history (no, that's nobody's name).

Are you mad at me?

-abh
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>: neo-pagan business
>
>As opposed to worshipping Wotan, Thor, and the other gods dwelling in
>Valhalla?

What? What, what, WHAT?

tushar
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     Ah, Judith, how could I forget?       love, brad



To get to Emerald City, I must take the state-owned ferryboat from
Bremerton to Pier 52.  A wonderful approach, I might add -- mystic chords
of memory and all that.  judith and I are to rendezvous at the dock at a
specified time in order to get to the airport to meet Natalie's
plane.

I almost miss my appointed boat in Bremerton, returning from an overnight
stay in Victoria, B.C.  But I make it, with seconds to spare.  As I find
a seat on the spacious ferry for the one-hour passage, I am suddenly
aware of an aquamarine t-shirt with a familiar logo.  It takes me a few
seconds to reach the unavoidable conclusion "Why, that must be Judith
Schrier," but I do get to that point without difficulty.  She had time
to kill, so took the ferry over to Bremerton and visited the Naval Museum,
waiting for my ferry.  The battlewagon USS Missouri ("Mighty Mo") is in the
shipyard there, but still in dry dock being reconditioned and not yet
available for visitation.  She will never cruise again.

Judith and I embrace.  There are a few awkward moments of acquaintance
kindling, but no big deal.  I get a tea for her and a jumbo beer for
myself from the snackbar and suggest that we walk toward the bow.  Now,
dear reader, you must know that the weather during that May week was
unrelieved sunshine, with temperatures in the 80s -- very uncharacteristic
for Puget Sound.  Still, there is a sharp wind as we approach the
uncovered part of the boat -- don't want to stay out there too long
without cover.  We are just rounding the spit of land before the Seattle
skyline comes into view -- on the threshhold, as it were.

Judith and I are chattering about something or other (gossiping about the
rest of you, probably, although she didn't have that famous Notebook with
her).  We both look up, and -- by God -- there it is:  Mount Rainier,
floating in the sky above the city's high-rises, just like a postcard,
only better.  We suspend our conversation, of course-- I mean, what else
could we do ?  I'm a jaded type myself, but I was moved.  And Judith--
well, I thought for a minute I might have to call for a paramedic.  It was
a magic moment.

I have the ferry schedule in my car.  When I see it, I have the most
pleasureable flashbacks.
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:10:40 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      486dx time
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OK....memory says that at least a couple of you have moved up to 486
machines.....and I'm curious about reactions, where you bought, whether
you were happy, what you would change, etc.

Please advise asap....as i'm in a position to order soon, i think....

dan in potatoland
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:42:59 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: HELLO!
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> --ggs (still bored with most of what is going on.  Somebody
> <stimulate> me, please)
>
Ok. Come to Knoxville.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject:      Re: Mechanics of Response Style (was Re: amendment 2)

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
We're all down here in the wallow, slinging away.  Want me to throw
some more?  You've got a bare spot by your left shoulderblade.
<splat!>  That's better.:-)
Ruth Hanschka
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You think I'd turn my back? :-)

JAG
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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: One simple (?!) question
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Posted on 9 Nov 1992 at 18:29:52 by Judith E. Schrier
>>>Didn't I once read a suggestion among elders of the feminist
>>>movement that a "croning ceremony" would be an ideal rite of passage
>>>for menopausal women -- anointing them as learned elders or some
>>>such thing?
>>
>>Are you allowed to
>>be a crone w/out having been a mother?
>>
>Yes. (That's a fiat from the senior mother on the list)
>However, you must submit evidence of equivalent experience,
>such as being a teacher...and you really *must* be a woman...

I've been talking this up to people at school today--a friend who teaches
mythology is going through a difficult menopause, and I'd *love* to do this
for her.  She was in favor of the concept. I'm not sure what one *does* at
a croning ceremony, but maybe we can find out.  Ooh, ooh, this is almost as
good as Amazons, for older women. :)

Karen
The Cradle Robber
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:51:58 EST
From:         Frank <ST403231@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Cut it out/ question
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>From:         blomberg cepeda <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
>
>As far as Cyrillic word-processing goes:
>
>
>        I use ChiWriter, which in at least my old version comes with a
>        font designer (I've made up my own italic). However, the system is
>        primitive, but it _probably_ has been updated.
>

I do all my word processing on Macs, and so am illiterate in IBM-
compatible software.

>                 b.c.    dobroe utro (and Frank, why do you British translit.
>                           instead of LC?)

I was unaware that what I use is considered British.  LC is horribly
clunky and requires ligatures above the line.  What I used is a mod-
ified version of the AATSEEL standard.  The difference is that I re-
placed the letters that require diacritical marks with digraphs well
known to English speakers, since on this list we are all, perforce,
that.  Hence "ch" for the palatal voiceless affricate  instead of
"c with a hacek," which would be lost on most readers due to the
limitations of the fonts available on the mainframe.  Most American
Slavists use this system (with diacritical marks, that is).  I have
yet to see an article in, say, the Slavic and Eastern European Jour-
nal that uses any other.  And, fortunately, I have seen the LC system
used *only* in card catalogues.  And you should see what it looks
like when they try to use LC transliteration in an online catalogue.
Ugh.

Frank
From: dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith)
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Date: 12 Nov 92 03:17:10 GMT
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Jim,
 Welcome to the list, where, despite what Tushar might say, all ages
congregate (uh, is that word pc at the moment?) and where the oldest of us
are nowhere near as old as he likes to think.
 There are even others of us who are of Welsh descent on the list.  Enjoy.

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 08:23:17 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Mechanics of Response Style (was Re: amendment 2)
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> >turn the other blindcheek, that's what I say...)
> Graham, how many attempts does this make it on your part to flush

I think we've discussed this before, but am I the only one who tends to
overlook responses that extract from an earlier note and start the response
without skipping a line?  I don't overlook them if they're the total
response, but I do if they're in the form of
__________________________________________________
> original... blah, blah, blah
response... blah, blah, blah

more response after skipping a line... blah, blah, blah
__________________________________________________

I always seem to start reading at the part after the skipped line.
Sometimes I never see the earlier part of the response at all.  I did
on the one Frank just sent because the part after the space suggested
that more had been said earlier -- so I looked back up and found his
first paragraph crammed against the extracted part.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:24:37 EST
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: One simple (?!) question
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>I've been talking this up to people at school today--a friend who teaches
>mythology is going through a difficult menopause, and I'd *love* to do this
>for her.  She was in favor of the concept. I'm not sure what one *does* at
>a croning ceremony, but maybe we can find out.  Ooh, ooh, this is almost as
>good as Amazons, for older women. :)
I would think that your friend who teaches mythology
ought to be able to research it for you...

>Karen
>The Cradle Robber
Fourteen years? Poo! That's *nothing*!

love, judith ;-)
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:23:25 -0800
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: The Democrats and Me
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:p.s. Does anyone know anything about recessive accents ?

Could you be more specific?  'How long is a piece of string?'  (255 chars
or it overflows the length byte...)

G
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From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Subject: Re: The Gospel Truth
Originator: rita@eff.org
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:39:52 GMT

In article <01GQY2DAQ7TK8Y56Q5@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU writes:

>I'm really pleased you're pleased..... but perhaps you should try walking for
>that 'paunch'.... there's a gutbuster program in operation here at the moment,
>perhaps I can send you details???

	Carolyn, one thing giggles does *not* need is a gut-busting
program.  




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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:29:39 EST
From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Neal's Tail
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I like it; I say keep it.

Karen
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Subject: Re: Establishment (was legislating)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 20:31:47 GMT
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In a previous article, LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU () says:

>>>"Antidisestablishmentarianism" refers to a doctrine supporting continued
>>Now there's a word for a bunch of wordies!  Just dissecting the sucker should
>>keep some of us out of trouble all week.:-)
>
>Guess whose youthfulness is showing? :-)

Gee, dunno.  Whose?:-)

>Ruth, that was the favourite word of most of us before the advent of
>'supercalifragilisticexpialodocious' - it used to be the longest word in
>the English language and was learnt by all precocious primary school children
>(in this country, anyway).

Modern education has a lot to answer for; we skipped that one.   The grade
school teachers didn't go in for made-up words either.:-(  So, no
supercalifragilisticexpialodocious either....  

>It was considered quite a feat to be able to use it appropriately in a
>conversation and was a means of gaining instant adulation. :-)
>
Oh for the simple joys of yore?  When men were men, women were women, and
sheep were nervous? [or are the sheep still nervous when they see men in
hip boots? :-) ]

>
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:01:05 CST
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>> "The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year.  Of wailing winds,
 and
>>    naked woods, and meadows brown are sere.
>>  Heaped in the hollows of the grove, the autumn leaves lie dead;
>>  They rustle to the eddying gust, and to the rabbit's tread."
>>           William Cullen Bryant (1794-1878)
>>
>Another one we had to commit to memory, Don.  :-)

It's a pretty interesting (to me) fact that the first time I heard of this
poet was last year - after I came to the US. On the other hand, school
children here have are evidently been reciting yards of his poetry for years.

We always thought that the Main English Poets were Shelley, Byron and Keats.
Possibly Blake, maybe Wordsworth, perhaps Tennyson, and by a long shot, Long-
fellow or some such name. But William Cullen Bryant, never.

tushar
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From:         blomberg cepeda <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: November 7
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Posted by Stephen H. Karlson

>> And to think that there was a time when I thought I would never
>> live to see this day.  Go figure.
>
>Frank, thanks for the post.  In the "kitchen debate" of the late
>1950s, Nikita Khruschev and Richard Nixon traded predictions about
>their grandchildren.  NSK: "Your grandchidren will live under
>communism."  RMN:  "Your grandchildren will live in freedom."
>
>Steve Karlson
>
>Will we live to see Cuba, Madison, and Berkeley liberated?

The big question, though, is: Will we live to see Karlson liberated?

    (how do you make only half a smiley?)      blomberg
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Posted on 12 Nov 1992 at 21:17:06 by (Rashmi)
>I attempted to name Tushar List ghod, due to reasons too numerous to list,
>but it didn't <stick>.  What do you say to List Poo-Bah?

Count this as a vote for Tushar for List Poo-bah!!!!!

List Angel
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 13:32:49 -0500
From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
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              "LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU" at Nov 1, 92 4:09 pm

> her...she initially refused because of the age difference he was 26 and she
> 46, but eventually when she realised that his motivations were honourable and
> he really did love her, she relented and they were married in Dec. 1915. My
									^^^^^^
> mother was born the following year. Sarah and Albert (my grandparents) had a
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> loving marriage that lastest 31 years until Albert's death in 1947... Sarah
> died exactly 12 months and 1 week later in 1948.
>
> Carolyn (whose still trying to trace her long lost relatives in the US, but
> no-one seems to know any McAloney's).
>

Wow - giving birth at age 47 (!!!!) would take some doing TODAY,
with all the help modern medicine can offer, but in 1916, it was some
feat. Any medical problems as a result? Obviously nothing serious, as
you are here...can you say more about the relationship - very rare and
advanced for its day, but nowadays it's almost commonplace...though 20
years still seems to be the upper limit of societal tolerance ...

Agnes
who has to cope with her (much younger) beaux's dumbfounded - and
somewhat intolerant - parents...
From: TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815))
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The American League rookie of the year this year is Pat Listach of the
Milwaukee Brewers.

The newest Justice of the State of Minnesota is Alan Page.  He used
to wear number 81 for the Minnesota Vikings.

Steve Karlson

The cheesehead stands alone.
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Subject: Re: paleologic & neologic
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:17:17 GMT
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In a previous article, TSLGILMORE@CC.WEBER.EDU ("Lisa J. Gilmore") says:

>What the hell does "paleologic and neologic" mean?  I can't find it in
>the two dictionaries that I have access to.  Context is:
>
>Vision and high fantasy are not lower but higher modes of reasoning,
>involving a magical synergy that goes beyond paleologic _and_ neologic.
>
Well, it's tome to go out on my usual limb again, and make a WAG.  
At a guess, try subsituting old and new for paleo and neo.  Paleo is
a prefix meaning old or ancient. A neologism is a new word, or a new usage
for a word.  So, something that does beyond the paloelogic and neologic
would be the product of the two combining, a product greater or more
interesting [maybe] than either of the originals.  Synergy is something
I've heard defined as 2+2=5.

Somebody else got any brighter ideas?  Any less confusing ones?
	Ruth "voice of confusion" H.
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From:         Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik <amadeus@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1992, blomberg cepeda wrote:

> Posted by tushar
> >>Zsuzsanna Budapest
> >
> >Is this a real name? Especially "Zsuzsanna" - is there a language where
> >the name is really spelt that way?
>
> This is indeed good Hungarian (if that isn't an oxymoron). "Zs" is pronounced
> like "s" in "pleasure". Budapest (pronounced -pesht) is, I would imagine,
> a nom de seance.

Yep, it's the Hungarian form of (surprise, surprise) Susanna.  Budapest is
not a "nom de seance," as you put it, but the name taken by this woman
after she escaped from Hungary during the Revolution and didn't want
people tracing her family through her name.

She commonly goes by "Z" -- I guess most people don't want to mess with
trying to get the Hungarian right.

(A side note:  the Hungarian diminutive for Susan, Susanne and Susannah is
Zsa Zsa, and no I *don't* think I'd like to be called that, thank you...)

> >>Shekhinah Mountainwater
> >
> >I have been seeing names on this pattern lately, but sorry to say I have
> >no clue about them at all. Is it a native American name anglicised? The
> >surname, that is. The first name sounds vaguely Muslim (i.e. probably middle
> >eastern), but honestly I have never heard it in India at least. Hmm, unless
> >it is a variant of Sakeenah.
>
> Definitely native American; almost any name like this is, just like
> "Sittingbull" or "Littlebigman" would be. The first name I would guess, on
> its own, to be Hebrew, but in context, it is probably from some native
 American
> language; there are enough of them (languages, that is) that it would not be
> surprising if one was unfamiliar.

Sorry to quote so much, but the guesses are interesting...

Shekhinah is Hebrew, and it is said in the Talmud that human senses cannot
perceive Jehovah, but that we can see, hear, and touch the Shekhinah, the
divine emanation from God.  The word is feminine in gender, and so many
people read this as a feminine divine principle.

(Yes, I know, plenty of other people don't do this.)

The woman has Jewish ancestry and (I believe) was raised Jewish, so this
is a homage to her cultural upbringing.  I imagine that she chose
"Mountainwater" because she liked it.

Would anyone like to guess is Stein means "stone" or if it's from some
other language?  :)

>               blomberg "1/16th Algonquin" cepeda

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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: i'm on the rag

>in an ad for a cdrommultimedia package, it contains
>motion, sound, and live film clips
>                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    ????

Kind of like a sign on a grocery in Washington when it was just a dusty
southern town: Homemade Roast Beef.

-K

-Mka
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