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From: markk@cypress.West.Sun.COM (Mark Allen Kampe)
Newsgroups: la.general
Subject: Re: Hiking fees for L.A. County trails?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 15:58:12 GMT
Organization: SunSoft South
Distribution: world
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In article 11451@xyzoom.info.com, rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach) writes:
 
> Are there other jurisdictions in the US that charge fees for day
> hiking on publicly-owned land?  Overnight permits, yes, and the odd
> parking fee (rte 39 above Azusa)...
 
Well, the US Forestry Service/Department of the Interior has required
Wilderness permits for travel in National Wilderness areas for about 20
years.  National Parks and Monuments have increasingly gone to day-use
fees.  State parks have also started charging day-use fees in the last
couple of years.  Thus I do not find it shocking that the county is 
following suit.

The city and county are in a budget crisis, and services that used to be
funded out of general revenues are now having to find other sources of
support.  Use fees are becoming the rule throughout the city and county
(and many other cities and counties).  It costs money to maintain the
ranger stations, the parking lots, the trail-heads and the trails.  

Griffifth park, however, is a special case.  Apparently you don't
remember what happened when the city tried to impose a parking fee 
there about five years ago.  A descendent of G.W.G showed up at
the clerks office to reclaim the property.  It seems the original
grant deed required the park to be available without fee to all the
people of Los Angeles, and specified that the property would revert
back to the donors or their heirs if this proviso was ever violated.
The city archivist was flooded with requests for the grant deed, hundreds
of lawyers pawed over it, and they all concluded that it was simple
and rock solid.  The fee was promptly rescinded.  You won't be paying
any fees to use Griffifth park for a long time ... now Lake Hollywood,
that is another story.


Newsgroups: la.general
From: ed@Tekelec.Com (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: Furniture Outlet Store?
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 21:34:59 GMT

In article <9212310518.AA16603@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> atrium!sysop@bodedo.UUCP writes:
>Is there any furniture outlet stores in the LA area? Or a superstore?
>
>I've already been to Ikea.  They got very good sale prices but their regular
>prices are not so competitive in my opinion.
> 
>Please post in this newsgroup for the benefit of others.
> 
>Thanks.
>--
>sysop@atrium.ucm.org
>

    There is a furniture club (name?) in No. Hollywood a couple of blocks
west of the Home Club. I've never been there, but their window signs claim
to have the lowest prices around.

  Ed Campbell
From: napalm@ugcs.caltech.edu (Karen Bruner)
Newsgroups: la.general
Subject: Re: Store for CD's: incredible selection
Date: 5 Jan 1993 00:18:33 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: la
NNTP-Posting-Host: molest.ugcs.caltech.edu

In <1i8frlINNb5h@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:

>For classical CD's I'm fond of Canterburys.  They're on Colorado 
>just East of Lake Ave in Pasadena.  I especially like the fact that
>they're a neighborhood store and not part of a big chain.  They have
>a nice selection of multi-CD composer sets that make great gifts.

Canterbury's is one block *west* of Lake.

>Also, about 3 blocks to the east is PooBahs, at Colorado and Wilson,
>which sells used CD's at bargain rates.  The selection is hit-and-miss
>but fun for browsing.

Poo-Bah's is on Walnut, not Colorado.

--

All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man
is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of
life and his relations with his kind.
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: la.general
Subject: Re: Warning to UCLA folks that bank at BofA in Westwood Village
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:43:57
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu's message of 5 Jan 93 17:01:22 PST

On 5 Jan 93 17:01:22 PST, ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III) said:
...
> Bank of America is closing the branch at 1101 Westwood Blvd (@ Kinross)
> -- you should have or will receive a notice in the mail -- in late March or
> early April and is transferring those accounts to the Security Pacific 
> at Le Conte.  A customer service rep said that those accounts will be 
> given NEW ACCOUNT NUMBERS.  You may go through hell to get paid if your
> check is transmitted to a non-existant account.  

With all of the B of A and Security Pacific branches closing, it sounds
like the perfect excuse to change banks.  Besides the fact that B of A
seems to have bad service--at least according to the people I know that
do have or did have accounts there--they also don't have much in the
way of ethics.

As you may know, last year B of A decided to stop funding groups that
discriminate against gay people because B of A has a corporate policy 
against this kind of discrimination.  However, under pressure from 
the far right (Lou Sheldon's Traditional Values Coalition and elected
officials like ex-Congressman Dannemeyer), they reinstated funding for
these discriminatory organizations several weeks later.

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| The opinions expressed above are my own and do not necessarily          |
| represent those of The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA.           |
|									  |
| Kraig R. Meyer		   	                 kmeyer@aero.org  |
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Newsgroups: la.general
From: alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer)
Subject: Re: Hiking fees for L.A. County trails?
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:19:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.033513.28849@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell) writes...
>A friend tells me that, as of the first of the year,
>L.A. County is charging a $23 annual fee per person
>for a permit to hike on county trails.

I just made a couple more calls.  Griffith Park is in the county but it's a
city park, not a county park.  There are no fees.  Re the trails near JPL,
they're very close to (if not on) National Forest land.  I would check the
topo map and if someone questions you, immediately run for the other
jurisdiction :-).

In any case, Frank is safe both in Griffith (yay -- I like hiking there too)
and in the National Forests.
-- 
 
-- Alan                        # Mountain Dew and doughnuts...
   ..!ames!elroy!alan          # because breakfast is the most important meal
   alan@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov     # of the day.
Newsgroups: la.general
From: leem@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Lee Mellinger)
Subject: Re: Hiking fees for L.A. County trails?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Distribution: la
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:37:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.165426.3399@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
:In article <1993Jan6.033513.28849@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell) writes:
:> A friend tells me that, as of the first of the year,
:> L.A. County is charging a $23 annual fee per person
:> for a permit to hike on county trails. 
:
:Man, this is ridiculous.  Not only the notion, but the fact that 
:I have heard nothing about this on the radio or TV news. 
:
:Jeez, I'm even a Sierra Club member and I don't remember reading anything
:about this in their newspaper.
:
:-- 
:This is news.  This is your       |    Peter Scott, NASA/JPL/Caltech
:brain on news.  Any questions?    |    (pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov)

I saw it mentioned in several articles on the county budget proposals
in the LA Times and the Daily News.  It was also mentioned in lacal
news broadcasts on Channel 2 and 4.

Lee

"Mit Pulver und Blei, die Gedanken sind frei."

|Lee F. Mellinger                 Caltech/Jet Propulsion Laboratory - NASA
|4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA 91109 818/354-1163  FTS 792-1163     
|leem@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV
Newsgroups: la.general
From: alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer)
Subject: Re: Hiking fees for L.A. County trails?
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:24:02 GMT

Remember that this applies to County Parks...

>What about the pedestrian paths at the beaches?

I don't know of any beaches that are County Parks.

>What distinguishes a hiking path from an unpaved street?

Nothing that I know of.

>Can I hike on a county fire road without charge?

If it's not in a County Park.

>What if I don't use a trail (i.e. bushwhacking)?

You're still hiking.

>What if I only go hiking once a year?  Can I get a daily permit, like
>  a daily fishing liscense?

They didn't give that to me as an option when I called, so I doubt it.

>Does it apply only to county trails in areas not designated as parks,
>  or is this fee in addition to the entrance fee usually charged?

No and yes, if any.
-- 
 
-- Alan                        # Mountain Dew and doughnuts...
   ..!ames!elroy!alan          # because breakfast is the most important meal
   alan@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov     # of the day.
From: mpark@skat.usc.edu (Min Park Dunkle)
Newsgroups: usc.general,la.general,
Subject: Roommate wanted
Date: 12 Jan 1993 08:37:52 -0800
Organization: University Computing Services--U.S.C.
Distribution: la
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From: lmh@iago.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.)
Newsgroups: la.general
Subject: Re: Hiking fees for L.A. County trails?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:03 PDT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan6.033513.28849@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell) writes...
>A friend tells me that, as of the first of the year,
>L.A. County is charging a $23 annual fee per person
>for a permit to hike on county trails.  Supposedly there

 This is true. I don't know about the amount of the fine. The trails should
be posted. (If you go west on Foothill off of Oak Grove on the way to the
visitor's entrance to JPL, there is a sign on the north side of Foothill
just behind the bus stop bench about 50 yards from the intersection.)

larry henling  lmh@shakes.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: la.general
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Motor Oil!
Organization: The Cat Factory
Distribution: la
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:36:23 GMT

In article <1hra7pINNf04@gizmo.usc.edu> alan@gizmo.usc.edu (Alan Petersen) writes:
}Does anyone know where one can deposit used motor
}oil ...

}I'm looking for something on the west side, 
}either SM or WLA/Westwood.

Sears Automotive Center in Santa Monica used to take mine.  About the only
thing they were good for ...

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                "If you can't stand solitude,
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483  perhaps others find you boring
Santa Monica, CA  90405                        as well."  -- Mark Twain
From: wae@aero.org (William A. Emanuelsen)
Newsgroups: la.general
Subject: Re: Hiking fees for L.A. County trails?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 15:48:04 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

It's not a rumor, but it is preposterous.
I saw a short, uninformative blurb about it on the TV news.

What about the pedestrian paths at the beaches?
What distinguishes a hiking path from an unpaved street?
Can I hike on a county fire road without charge?
What if I don't use a trail (i.e. bushwhacking)?
What if I only go hiking once a year?  Can I get a daily permit, like
  a daily fishing liscense?
Does it apply only to county trails in areas not designated as parks,
  or is this fee in addition to the entrance fee usually charged?
-- 
William A. Emanuelsen      Rich or poor, it's nice to have money.
wae@aerospace.aero.org
From: Larry.Greenfield@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: la.general
Subject: Oh, BTW
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993
Date: 11 Jan 93  10:51:34

This is Larry again. Sorry for the 2nd post, but I forgot... if you can help, 
please either reply here, or better yet (to save bandwidth), email me if you
can.
   larry.greenfield@ofa123.fidonet.org
Thanks so much in advance!
:::::Larry:::::

--- Maximus 2.01wb
From: ierardi@flash.usc.edu (DJ Ierardi)
Newsgroups: la.seminars
Subject: USC Computer Science Colloquium (1/13)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 14:13:55 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: la
NNTP-Posting-Host: flash.usc.edu



Beyond Interface Builders: Model-Based Interface Tools

		Pedro Szekely
		   USC/ISI

Interface builders only support the construction of the
menus and dialogue boxes of an application.  They do not 
support the construction of interfaces of many application 
classes (visualization, simulation, command and control, 
domain-specific editors) because of the dynamic and complex 
information that these applications process. HUMANOID is 
a model-based interface design and construction tool where
interfaces are specified by building a declarative 
description (model) of their presentation and behavior.  
HUMANOID's modeling language provides simple abstraction, 
iteration and conditional constructs to model the interface 
features of these application classes.  HUMANOID provides 
an easy-to- use designer's interface that lets designers
build complex interfaces without programming.


	DATE:	Wednesday, January 13
	PLACE:	Seaver Science Auditorium
	TIME:	10:30 A.M. 

	(Refreshments will be served.)

	HOST:   Robert Neches






Newsgroups: seminars,la.seminars,grads
From: gpham@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Gisele Pham)
Subject: COOPERATIVE SHARED MEMORY AND THE WISCONSIN WIND TUNNEL
Keywords: CS201 Seminar
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: la
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:16:15 GMT

DATE Tuesday, January 12, 1993
TIME 4:30-6:00 P.M.
PLACE 3400 Boelter Hall
Cookies & Coffee Will Be Served
Starting at 4:00 PM

COOPERATIVE SHARED MEMORY AND THE WISCONSIN WIND TUNNEL

Mark Hill
(joint work with James Larus and David Wood)
Computer Sciences Department
University of Wisconsin--Madison

ABSTRACT 

This talk describes two new ideas: Cooperative Shared Memory, a new
approach to building large-scale, shared-memory parallel computers,
and Virtual Prototyping, a new methodology for rapidly prototyping
parallel computers.

Cooperative shared memory combines a parallel programming model with
simple hardware.  The model informs programmers of the cost of
operations and tells hardware designers which cases are common.  Our
initial implementation uses a simple model, called Check-In/Check-Out
(CICO), and even simpler hardware called Dir[1]SW.  In CICO, programs
bracket uses of shared data with a check-out annotation
marking the expected first use and a check-in annotation
terminating the expected use of the data.  Dir[1]SW is a minimal
directory protocol that adds little complexity to message-passing
hardware, but efficiently supports programs written within the CICO
model.

Virtual prototyping is a new technique that allows rapid prototyping
of parallel computers.  Virtual prototyping uses a host computer and a
software layer to mimic a target machine and record performance
metrics.  The host directly executes most target operations.  The
Wisconsin Wind Tunnel (WWT) is a virtual prototype of CICO/Dir[1]SW
that runs on a Thinking Machines CM-5.  It uses shared virtual memory
together with ECC (error-correcting code) bits to invoke the virtual
prototype trap handlers on target cache misses.

Preliminary measurements show that the CICO programming model is
effective and that a virtual prototype can be quickly built and
executes large application programs at hardware speeds.
Newsgroups: seminars,la.seminars,grads
From: gpham@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Gisele Pham)
Subject: RELATIONAL DATABASE DESIGN: BRIDGING THE GAP BETWEEN THEORY... 
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: la
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 19:20:31 GMT

CS201 Seminar
DATE Thursday January 14, 1993
TIME 4:30-6:00 P.M.
PLACE 3400 Boelter Hall
Cookies & Coffee Will Be Served
Starting at 4:00 PM

RELATIONAL DATABASE DESIGN: 
BRIDGING THE GAP BETWEEN THEORY AND PRACTICE
Dina Bitton
Vice President 
Cadre Technologies Inc.

ABSTRACT 
In spite of the wide acceptance of relational database technology, less
than 5% of corporate data is currently stored in relational databases.
Users faced with the task of migrating large repositories of old data
residing in flat files are faced with the challenging tasks of analyzing
data by inspection, normalizing files manually, drawing unwieldy
entity-relationship diagrams, and deploying new relational databases
without design validation or prototyping.

In this talk, we will present a new relational database design tool,
DB Designer, the first commercial product which systematically automates
relational design theory.  We will also describe some innovative 
components of DB Designer, including an Inference Engine, which infers 
logical dependencies from data samples and generates an optimized third 
normal form schema.
From: suhler@pollux.usc.edu (Paul Suhler)
Newsgroups: la.seminars
Subject: Prof. Mark Hill, University of Wisconsin, 1/14/93
Date: 7 Jan 1993 10:22:10 -0800
Organization: USC Advanced Computer Architecture Laboratory
Distribution: la
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Summary: Cooperative Shared Memory and the Wisconsin Wind Tunnel

          ADVANCED COMPUTER ARCHITECTURE LABORATORY SEMINAR

       Cooperative Shared Memory and the Wisconsin Wind Tunnel

		  Mark Hill, James Larus, David Wood
		     Computer Sciences Department
		   University of Wisconsin--Madison
			  1210 W. Dayton St.
			Madison, WI 53706  USA


This talk describes two new ideas: Cooperative Shared Memory, a new
approach to building large-scale, shared-memory parallel computers,
and Virtual Prototyping, a new methodology for rapidly prototyping
parallel computers.

Cooperative shared memory combines a parallel programming model with
simple hardware.  The model informs programmers of the cost of
operations and tells hardware designers which cases are common.  Our
initial implementation uses a simple model, called Check-In/Check-Out
(CICO), and even simpler hardware called Dir[1]SW.  In CICO, programs
bracket uses of shared data with a {\em check-out\/} annotation
marking the expected first use and a {\em check-in\/} annotation
terminating the expected use of the data.  Dir[1]SW is a minimal
directory protocol that adds little complexity to message-passing
hardware, but efficiently supports programs written within the CICO
model.

Virtual prototyping is a new technique that allows rapid prototyping
of parallel computers.  Virtual prototyping uses a host computer and a
software layer to mimic a target machine and record performance
metrics.  The host directly executes most target operations.  The
Wisconsin Wind Tunnel (WWT) is a virtual prototype of CICO/Dir[1]SW
that runs on a Thinking Machines CM-5.  It uses shared virtual memory
together with ECC (error-correcting code) bits to invoke the virtual
prototype trap handlers on target cache misses.

Preliminary measurements show that the CICO programming model is
effective and that a virtual prototype can be quickly built and
executes large application programs at hardware speeds.



TIME:	1:00 PM, Thursday, 14 January 1993
PLACE:	EEB 248, USC University Park Campus
HOST:	Prof. Alvin M. Despain, (213) 740-6006


NOTE:	Prof. Hill will have time for individual or group meetings
after about 3:00 PM.  To schedule an appointment, please contact Ms.
Susan Moore, (213) 740-4462, susanm@usc.edu.
Newsgroups: la.seminars,la.general
From: stivers@bode.usc.edu (Lucille Stivers)
Newsgroups: la.seminars
Subject: Seminar, Friday, January 15, 2 pm. EE-Systems(Controls), EEB248
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:02:21 GMT
Distribution: la
Organization: USC Mail-To-News Gateway

                      EE-SYSTEMS DEPARTMENT
                            CONTROLS



        Neural Networks for Dynamical System Identification
           and Their Application in Virtual Reality


                                by


                     Manolis A. Christodoulou


         Department of Electronic & Computer Engineering
                 Technical University of Crete
                     Chania 73100, GREECE


                             Abstract


The capabilities of Recursive High Order Neural Networks (RHONN) are
investigated.  These networks can learn and behave like unknown
dynamical systems.  First the properties of general RHONN models are
investigated, which are used in order to approximate and learn
the behaviour of nonlinear dynamical systems.  The main result is
that, under some very mild assumptions, for a very generic class of
nonlinear dynamical systems and for any degree of accuracy, there
exist RHONN's that can approximate the systems in the above class.
Moreover, learning laws are proposed and mathematically analyzed, for
the adjustment of the RHONN synaptic weights.  Using the synaptic weights linear-in-the parameters
property, it is proved that the learning laws ensure error stability,
convergence, and robustness.
Next, the properties of a special class of RHONNs the symmetric
RHONN's (s-RHONN) are investigated.  s-RHONN's are gradient dynamical
systems and therefore their stability properties can be easily
investigated.  Moreover, they are and they remain stable when either
bounded additive or multiplicative stochastic disturbances affect
their dynamics.


		 DATE:	 Friday, January 15, 1993

		 TIME:   2 P.M. SEMINAR

		 LOCATION: EEB248

		 HOST:	 Prof. Petros Ioannou

		         (213)740-4452
From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)
Newsgroups: la.test
Subject: ignore nntplink test via UCI
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:44:17 GMT
Distribution: la
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA
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The subject says it all.
-- 
Mark Bixby                         Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
Coast Community College District   1370 Adams Avenue
District Information Services      Costa Mesa, CA, USA  92626
Technical Support                  (714) 432-5064
"You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." - tunefs(1M)
From: hbaldwin@mizar.usc.edu (Harry Baldwin)
Newsgroups: la.eats
Subject: dim sum
Date: 12 Jan 1993 13:04:29 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
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Can anyone recommend a good dim sum place in the Pasadena/LA downtown
area, opne on Saturday?
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