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From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: Most Underused Mutant Power
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:01:52 GMT

The Stupidest Mutant Power thread reminded me of debate made long ago
about characters not using their powers to their full potential.
Three I can thing of right now

Magneto: his powers could have really messed up people by laching onto
the metals in them.  Also why didn't he ever figured out how to
generate a EMF pulse. (That would have ended the whole Sentenal mess
long ago though, just fry the electronics of the US and of the robots)

Shadowcat: her mess up electronic equipment part of her power has not really
been used to it full potential or why certain things like Sentinels and the
Danger Room equipment are not effected sometimes.

Doctor Doom:  Until Doom 2099 #2 why did Doom just build robots of himself.
Given the confusion of which Doom was a robot and which was real Doom
could have reasonable replaced key governmental officials with robots.
(How well they would have decived people is another issue)
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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Subject: Re: Mutant Crossovers
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:35:00 GMT

In article <BzFH3B.J8o@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, chak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Chak the Destroyer) writes...
>I agree that the whole massacre wasn't her fault, however the way the team
>got beat up was.  I mean, what did she do while she was down there?  She
>gave Rogue her I-am-the-morlock-leader-so-I-must-go-down-there vest, and then
>she punched Scramble in the chops once.  What kinda person goes into a tunnel
>full of mutants (or regular super humans) trying to kill a bunch of other
>mutants while she has no powers.  My answer, only a stupid one.  Plus the
>fact that she didn't let magneto go down.  Let's see, how many people in the
>Marauders utilized metal?  Riptide, Scalphunter, and Harpoon pop into mind.
>Then later, Polaris, who has only 1/2 the power of Magneto takes out a couple
>of more.  Overall, I would say that Storm is a schmuck and shouldn't be allowed
>to lead a girl scout troop.
> 
>Chak

	Yes, but did Storm _know_ there would be all kinds of metal-using
Marauders down there? Nope. If anyone is to blame for that, it's Psylocke --
she probed the dying Morlock's mind, she _should_ have known! :-)
	I have to agree with the fact that Magneto stayed behind to defend the
X-Mansion. What good would it have done them if the place got blown up? (See
Inferno for the answer to that.) Besides, if you're talking about maximum 
firepower, why not take Cannonball (invulnerability), Magma (lava blasts), 
Warlock, not to mention a few of Magik's pet demons? (other than the fact 
that the NM got slaughtered against the Danger Room Marauders.) I think
the idea of protecting the kids and "putting all your eggs in one basket" 
comes to mind. Mags  probably could have taken the Marauders out 
singlehandedly, which is why he was left behind. 
	The reason the X-Men got slaughtered was that they had no ranged 
attacks, whereas the Marauders did (Riptide, Scalphunter, Vertigo, Harpoon).
Remember how only Nightcrawler could reach Vertigo, and nobody could stop
Riptide from tearing him apart when he was too tired to 'port? Even Dazzler
would have been useful!
	What kind of leader would order her "troops" into the hole, and then
stay behind because she didn't have any powers? She defeated a powerful
_mutant_ to win the leadership of the X-Men, so why can she fight off a few?
	Yes, Storm made some bad decisions, from the omnipotent third person
point of view (the one you and I have). Unfortunately, she only knew what
she was told, until it was too late.

	Joe Delisle

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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Franklin Richards and Stryfe
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 03:27:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.072049.12201@news.columbia.edu> ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (DragonEyes) writes:
>In article <7857@news.duke.edu> embrunes@acpub.duke.edu (Alex Rogers) writes:
>>
>>Whose teke power is stronger, Franklin Richards's or Stryfe's?
>>
>>Alex
>
>Supposedly, Franklin Richards has the ability to do anything.
>Fortunately for us, he has some kind of mental block that keeps him
>from becoming omniscient.
               ^^^^^^^^^^
Point of clarification: "omniscient" is all-seeing. I assume you meant
"omnipotent", meaning all-powerful.

At first, it was that Franklin deliberately suppressed his own powers
until he was mature enough to control them. Then, during the Power Pack
storyline, his powers started coming back. Now (although I'm not sure
when) it seems that Reed Richards is using a power damper to control his
son's powers.

As for who is stronger, who cares? Maybe it's just me, but I hate it when
people constantly write in to any new book or after the introduction of a
character asking questions like:

"Will be ever see the Punisherator fight Wolverine / Deathlok / the X-Men /
the Avengers / Power Pack?"
"Is Super-Pecs strong enough to break Wolverine's claws / Captain
America's shield / Thor's hammer / Black Knight's sword / Aunt May's
week-old meatloaf?"
"Will Ghost Rider / Wolverine / Punisher / Spider-man / (insert name of
currently marketable characters) ever team up with Dark-Guy?"

I don't know about the second question, the answer to the first and third
question is almost always "Yes, as soon as possible."

(Gee, I'm sure becoming jaded...)

Jay (=
From: aj005b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Hulk like snow!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Mutant Crossovers
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:26:11 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <BzA80x.7ov@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
writes:
>>Storm fought Cyclops, not Colossus, for theleadership, and that was in >X-Men #201. Professor X was not, at that time,

	Did Storm literally fight Cyclops hand to hand, or did they just
have a powerstruggle.  If it was really a fight, I couldn't imagine Cyclops
bein to happy with the current X-men situation.

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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: Re: Illyana and Peter
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:09:26 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>In the last issue of X-Men, the letters page tells us that Illyana will
>indeed be returning soon with Peter, and that the storyline "will change
>their lives forever."  

Forever as mortals measure time, or the more frequently used
housefly-forever we see in comics?

"Green Scales Fell Like Rain"

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
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Subject: Re: Stupidest Mutant Power -- top this if you can!
Date: 21 Dec 1992 01:20:51 -0600
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dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:

>Two thoughts on this thread:  one game related, one just related. Non-gamers
>can hop and skip down a few lines, if they wish:

>On the subject of the guy who could blow up -- once -- I made such a
>character a few years back in Champions. He was called Nova, and he had
>a PD and ED of 1, STUN of 1, and BODY of 1 (for you non-gamers, that means
>Aunt May could take him out with chopsticks). He had two powers:

Actually, I kind of envision my character as one who'll STILL fight...
he'll just be reluctant to use his power.  Want to know how he IS going
to die?  Brain death... he'll be comatose for awhile...  Howzat for irony?
>:)  

>I always thought the worst mutant power would be the mutant power to
>register as a mutant on mutant scans. No powers to go along with it, you
>just register as a mutant.

Even worse, register as a DANGEROUS mutant!  (contributed by my housemate
Scott Holmes, who's reading over my shoulder...)


>"Good grief." --Charlie Brown
>-- 
>David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
>My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
>"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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Bart -Laz- Smith
The 'Cat!
From: rramirez@husc10.harvard.edu (Robert Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Super Strength...
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:09:38 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <Bz2CAt.MLn@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> chak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Chak the Destroyer) writes:

[stuff about super-strength killing X-Men]

>What should happen IMHO:
>Juggernaut: Take this!  [Punches Iceman.  Iceman's decapitated body slumps
>            to the ground.  Iceman's head lands in Mexico City.
> 
>In the above scene, replace the Juggernaut with any villian that has super
>strength, and Iceman with any other X-Men (except the one's I mentioned), 
>and roughly the same scene should occur.
>
>Matt Somers

Actually, how about this:  Iceman's head lands at Boom-Boom's feet, and she
screams, "Oh, BAAAAARRRRRFFFFFF!!!!" (BWAH-hah-hah-hah-hah!)  :)

Or how about Cyke being the victim?  After all, Jugs would be doing him a
favor -- Cyke's losing his head ANYWAY, and he needs to get his head on
straight!  [Sorry, I know that was ill, but I had to seize the opportunity!
:) :) :) :) :) ]

Peace,

R ^ 3

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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: THIS IS THE REAL DEAL WITH CABLE AND STRYFE
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Keywords: *CABLE* is the CLONE!!!  DUH!
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:22:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.195134.10072@rtsg.mot.com> soto@rtsg.mot.com (Anthony Soto) writes:
>Sorry, but I think I agree with the concensus on the net. Cable is probably the
>real NCCS and Stryfe the clone. It would make sense that because Stryfe calls
>Cable the "failed attempt to preserve human life". You also think Cable might
>be a ROBOT? Why would a robot (as you think Cable might be) have mutant abilities
>such as TK? If he had the mind and memories of NCCS, how would Stryfe survive
>if he's the "real" NCCS? Man, I hope you forgot smileys in this argument because
>it doesn't make sense with the clues we've been given.
>
I'm sure with 20th-century Marvel science, TK would be easy to duplicate in a
robot (electonically manipulate magnetic fields?). In the 38th century (I think
that's the date given for Cable and Stryfe) it probably comes as a standard
setting on the vacuum cleaner :-)

>
>Geez! I just wish that the writers for the X-Song would have spelled out who
>was Scott's son so we could stop getting posts on this to clutter up the net!

Don't be stupid - how could they drag it out for yet another crossover next 
year? :-)

Seriously, I *do* think it is still fairly vague - probably deliberately so so 
that the writers can use it again and again and we'll never really know. My
initial reaction was that Stryfe is the real one and Cable is the duplicate,
after all Stryfe seems to be showing a lot more in his personality of being
Scott and Jean's son than Cable is, and Cable seems to contain so much metal
I'm wondering if he has any organic parts to him at all. I'm sure if I could be 
bothered to read this junk again I could find arguments either way, but I can't
see any point. The X-Song has signalled the end of me and X-books.

Mike
From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000)
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Subject: Why Stryfe being a clone would be a major diappointment
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:37:41 GMT
Organization: McGill University

It just dawned on me: suppose after all this business with
Cable/Nathan/time travel, it turns out that Stryfe *is* nothing but a
clone of Cable.  What would have been the point?  Couldn't they have
made Stryfe be a clone without going to all this trouble?

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From: trombley-sarah@yale.edu (Sarah Trombley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Mutant Crossovers
Date: 19 Dec 1992 23:25:03 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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In article <BzJGEA.Cq3@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>Some people find great insights in bubblegum wrappers. Others talk about
>the Mutant Massacre:

Can't talk about anything else.  I quit reading the X-Men at that time.
From the commentary I see when I scan through this group on occasion, my
decision was a wise one. :)

>>Hmm.  Now which mutant available at the time had a ranged attack?  A ranged
>>attack capable of reaching across continents and starting volcanos up?
>
>No offense to Sarah, but Magneto (the mutant in question) was capable of
>starting up volcanos only when using that nifty machine in X-Men #150
>that magnified his powers.
>
*blush*  You're right.  But in my defense, let me cite the Beyonder (from
those awful Secret Wars II crossover issues), who describes Magneto as
having the power to crack the planet in two.

>Otherwise, I agree with her position:  Magneto couldn't enter the tunnels
>becase the plot would be over with too quickly. Not that having Thor, of
>all people, down there subtracted many Marauders...
>
>"Oh, heaven forbid we should *shoot* someone! They just may come back and
> sue us!" --Richard Darwin
>
>-- 
>David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
>My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
>"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Stupidest Mutant Power -- top this if you can!
Date: 21 Dec 1992 00:31:48 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu

dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>I always thought the worst mutant power would be the mutant power to
>register as a mutant on mutant scans. No powers to go along with it, you
>just register as a mutant.
Er... wasn't this Doug Ramsey's power?  Oops, my fault, it just seemed
that way because of the writers. :P

>Another top one was the guy who had x-ray-type vision, like that dead guy
>over in DC. Except in his case, the substance that he couldn't see through
>wasn't lead, it was air. So, the only time he could see anything was when
>his face was plastered right next to a wall. And even then, he could only
>see inside the wall itself.
Even worse, what about the mutant that had the "always on" mutant
power to see atoms...

... he was declared totally blind right around puberty...

... adding credence to that old wives' tale...

Speaking of which, how about the mutant power to grow hair on demand
on the palms of one's own hands and the soles of one's own feet?

-Jon Kung, this is too weird, I'm gettin' outta here!
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From: decesd@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Daniel Stephen De Cesare)
Subject: Quick Excaliber Question
Reply-To: decesd@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:56:04 GMT

	What two issues of Excaliber were the X-Men in a few months ago when 
Psyloche returned to England?  Just mail me a response.

Thanks,
Dan DeCesare
decesd@rpi.edu

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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Speaking of X-Posters
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 22:53:23 EST

I seem to remember reading in one of the early New Mutants letter columns that
there was going to be a New Mutants poster with art like the kind seen in the
Demon Bear saga.  (I think it was Sienkewitz art).  Has a poster like this
ever been released, and has anyone ever seen it?
 
P.S. (The letter column was in issue 23, 24, or 25; I can't remember which.)_
 
 
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: Re: Stupidest Mutant Power -- top this if you can!
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:39:22 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Two thoughts on this thread:  one game related, one just related. Non-gamers
can hop and skip down a few lines, if they wish:

On the subject of the guy who could blow up -- once -- I made such a
character a few years back in Champions. He was called Nova, and he had
a PD and ED of 1, STUN of 1, and BODY of 1 (for you non-gamers, that means
Aunt May could take him out with chopsticks). He had two powers:

1)	A 12d6 Ranged Killing Attack, Armor-Piercing, Explosion, x5
   	Stun Multiplier, one charge, could only be used when user
	died.

2)	Low-level telepathy that warned everyone in combat around him
	what would happen if he did die.

Basically, Nova wandered around combats, saying "Don't hit me, man, don't
hit me!" Much yuks, I assure you.

Now, to turn away from the fantasies of games to the real world of comics,
I always thought the worst mutant power would be the mutant power to
register as a mutant on mutant scans. No powers to go along with it, you
just register as a mutant.

Another top one was the guy who had x-ray-type vision, like that dead guy
over in DC. Except in his case, the substance that he couldn't see through
wasn't lead, it was air. So, the only time he could see anything was when
his face was plastered right next to a wall. And even then, he could only
see inside the wall itself.

"Good grief." --Charlie Brown
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: scostain@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Sean Edward Costain)
Subject: Re: Pez? (Was: Re: Rogue & Gambit (in X-Men #297)
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:39:39 GMT

In article <1glgrgINNlh7@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, paladin@parker.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike Being...) writes:
>
>In article <BzA86K.J1K@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>>>	for which there is much rejoicing... *snicker*
>>I take it you support my nomination of Snickers as the official racx candy,
>>then?
>
>no... snicker is a sound effect... i myself prefer m's (m&m's to mundanes)
>
> Paladin (ever shifting bearlike being....)	     
>     Reality	       | " Wouldn't you laugh if your head exploded???  
> 		       |	 No.... I guess you wouldn't.....	 
> paladin@wpi.wpi.edu   |   I would."   (Nosage, June 91)


	But Reality, snicker isn't quite that bad.:)
BTW - undocumented features....truly excellent.


		Dae Aini


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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: Re: Pez? (Was: Re: Rogue & Gambit (in X-Men #297)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:54:20 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>>>Denials and the now world famous..........pez?
>>
>>What is it with this Pez thing? Should xbooks now start doing official
>>promotional spots? (Pez... the candy of mutants everywhere). Personally,
>>I push for Mamba, Spree, or Snickers for the Official Mutant Candy.
>
>*Sigh*    don't you read the TICK???
>that is the whole basis for the adventures in tick #7 and #8... 
>he went to the store for pez.. 

Yes, I read the Tick. I just haven't reread it in a while. I mean, #7 came
out, when? A few years ago?

>	for which there is much rejoicing... *snicker*

I take it you support my nomination of Snickers as the official racx candy,
then?

"Alright, guys? We're going commercial. For a little while." --Richard Darwin
"Commercial? Like, what, we're getting paid?" --Riff
"Well, I wouldn't go that far. I may be getting paid." --Darwin

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From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Alright, dammit. Rogue's Accidental Absorbtions. The List.
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:07:33 GMT
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rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls) writes:
>There is the first time her mutant powers kicked in. A boy tried to kiss
>her and she absorbed all his memeories (he didn't have any powers). She 
>thought she had killed him. (makes for a BAD first date :-))

"Wha--?  But Ah just KNOW Ah gargled!"  :)

-Jon Kung, hey, another Stupid Mutant Power -- Bad Breath Babe for the LNH!
From: stdnt170@whscdp.whs.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Sorry for disturbing
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:04:46 CST
Organization: Washington HS, Milwaukee, WI




      I am very sorry for disturbing you guys again, but this time it is to
   apologize for my misdeeds.. I was not yelling, i just like to have the 
   caps lock on. I found the real group one of my friends showed it to me.
   I will try not to have the caps on next time and once again to all who 
   noticed i am very sorry.

				Sincerely,
					Keith

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