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From: njd@FTP.COM (Nancy J. DeMarco)
Subject: horses and equestrian sports in russia
Reply-To: njd@FTP.COM
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Distribution: rec
Date: 17 Apr 92 09:42:07



>I think the correct spelling of the breed name is Akhal Teke and they
>appear to be built along the lines of the thoroughbred.  I think there
>is one Akhal Teke stud in the US and that they were crossing them with
>other breeds to produce sport horses.  They are apparantly very "hot".


I believe Joe Struby is currently eventing an Akhal Teke at the
Advanced level (maybe just Intermediate).  He seemed like a real puppy
in his stall, and what little I saw of him under saddle, but I seem to
recall he really could get rollin' on x-country.  (Or maybe Joe just
liked him that way - seems she had a reputation of being a bit of a
wildwoman herself :)   Wish I could remember his name...

Nancy
From: tianas@Ingres.COM (Tiana Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Instructor's seminar
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:38:20 GMT
Reply-To: tianas@Ingres.COM (Tiana Scott)
Distribution: na
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501

Hi,

This is my first post to this group, so I'll introduce myself a bit first. My
name is Tiana, I live in Oakland CA and own a 13 yr old TB/App mare named
Goldie. Goldie and I are training as eventers. We've done some small 
schooling shows, with varying success and hope to do more shows, more successfully this summer.    

This past weekend, I participated in the CDS Instructor's Seminar in Northern 
California. The instructor's seminar is a two-part deal.  Each part is 5 days 
long. The first part provides instruction on teaching horses and riders working up to 2nd level. The second part concentrates on working with riders and horses
above 2nd level.  Both parts address general teaching issues also and prepare 
teachers for the USDF teacher certification (From the discussion surrounding 
this topic, I got the impression that the teacher certification was still
somewhat controversial. Anyone know more about this?).

Anyway, this year, CDS gave the first part in No. Ca. and the second part in
So. Ca. (Next year it switches around) I found this seminar to be very 
educational in some unexpected ways. I do not teach, let me hasten to say. I
went at my instructor's suggestion. I learned a lot about schooling my horse
and myself. My biggest surprise was in the quality level of many of the 
particpating instructors. Many of them were just 'okay' - even allowing for
the natural nervousness of teaching in front of 12 other people who are
evaluating your efforts, I felt many of the teachers did not accomplish the
stated goals of the practice classes. So many would say 'Okay, good, let's 
move on to the next exercise' when the horse/rider clearly had not performed
the movement or accomplished the intent of the current exercise.

This seminar was a great experience. Do any of the other parts of the country
have anything similar? Has anyone gone to previous CDS instructor's seminars?
If so, what did you think?

tiana
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: names...again
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:52:46 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Apr11.150230.17207@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, 20676JAE@MSU writes:
> ------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>>Now aren't these great stories to tell when someone asks why
>>your horse is named "Dances with Wool" or "Froghopper" ? :-)
> 
> 
> There's a horse at my stable that goes by Freddy who's registered name is
> Frog Hollar Fred.  That poor horse got picked on for weeks about his name.
> (all in fun.)  Sometimes all you have to do to get a good laugh is to open
> up the newspaper and read the race horses names.  Some of them are really
> neat, but some of them are a gas.
>                                 Jenn

Ah, yes.... names.....  I remember with great glee a stallion that a friend
of mine used to own....   A gorgeous black leopard Appy named Big Gas Bandit.
Not something you wanted to say really fast when announcing a horse show.

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: daj@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (David Johnson)
Subject: Rolex and a question
Keywords: Rolex
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:20:41 GMT

I spoke (wrote in email) with several other people going to the Rolex
and it was suggested that the Internet members where a green ribbon
to indicate they are on Internet, hope this helps.


Now I need help!  My Throughbred gelding is boarded in a local stable
and has picked up the bad habit of "cow kicking", the art of kicking
leading with his hock.  He has managed to cut himself on the right
hock, a cut about 1" in diameter.  The cut is insignificant but it
he is now favoring that leg.  My question is does anyone know how
to stop this!  I know he is aggrivated by his neighbor but I can't 
change this.  I've thought of putting up rubber wall liners but
that's treating the symptom and I'd like to find a cure if possible.

....david
-- 
David A. Johnson					Email: daj@nwu.edu
Northwestern University Medical School			Phone: (312) 503 - 1883
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: DEATH OF A SCHOOL HORSE
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:46:57 GMT

In article <01GINFS36OUO96XL4A@hcacad.holycross.edu> DOREEN@hcacad.holycross.edu writes:
>
>     Hi again,
>          This really has not been a very good couple of weeks for our
>     equine friends.  I was supposed to have a lesson tonight and my
>     instructor called to cancel.  The reason being that they had to
>     put down one of the school horses today because he had coliced (sp?) 
>     during the night.  Of course, Sox (short for Socrates), was my
>     favorite; just a good ole Joe.  Even though he wasn't mine, he 
>     most certainly will be missed.  What I would like to do is write
>     a letter to the owners (he was leased by the barn) just telling
>     them how special a horse he was to me and I guess to offer my
>     condolences (sp?).  For you horse owners, this doesn't sound too
>     tacky does it?  I'd really appreciate your input on this matter.

Go for it. When Cinnamon, a 28-year-old school horse at the stable 
I rode at, died, a bunch of us wrote in. (When Dapper died, we just
stayed out of the way... due to a number of bizarre circumstances,
the stable unjustly blamed a friend of mine for the death, and we
left the stable.)

>                                             Thanks, 
>                                                  Doreen
	-Nora

-- 
Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kudra@hubcap.clemson.edu (sallie j kudra)
Subject: Re: New horse, and new twist on the Name Game
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:54:09 GMT


How about Treasure since that appears to be what you found?


* BITNET:   KUDRA@CLEMSON.CLEMSON.EDU | All opinions are my own:              * 
* INTERNET: KUDRA@ITC.CLEMSON.EDU     |            I'm too old to change now! *
* Sallie Kudra, Information Systems Development, Clemson Univ., Clemson, SC   *
From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Barn Sour Horse
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:39:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcc01.3480003
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

OK, I need help.  Recently, I bought a 10 year old mare who seems to have a
real good training base.  However, her previous owner, who had her for close
to a year, was for some unknown reason a bit afraid of her.  Because of this,  
she was not ridden as often as she probably should have been to keep up the
training, and she has become somewhat barn sour.

I need help on how to deal with a barn sour horse.  We will be putting her
in with a trainer soon, but in the meantime I want to be consistent and do
the right thing to not encourage her 'head for the barn' behavior.

HELP!

Kim K.
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:31:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Endurance Riding
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

The American Endurance Ride Conference can give you
the names of the clubs in your area.  You might also
consider joining AERC.  They send out a monthly magazine
with all the sanctioned rides listed in it.

AERC
701 High Street Suite 203,
Auburn,Ca 95603. Phone 916-823-2269.

Wendy
From: fax0616@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horse keeping costs
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:26:45 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


My mares will waste hay when ovefed.  A flake is about all either one will eat
and they waste some of that.  The geldings will vacuum up every last drop.
I don't have an explanation for this one.

Leigh

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rewald@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: Re: New horse, and new twist on the Name Game
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:45:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.142841.1256@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (R.L.Taylor KB2OOA) writes:
> Okay, we've had lots of creative suggestions for names;  anybody
> good at taking a weird registered name,and coming up with a barn
> name?  In this case, we're talking about a TB mare named Co Kay Sem.
> She's a big bay with only a tiny bit of white on her face.  And I
> haven't a clue what to call her...
..
> little too tall and leggy to be a QH, and had no spots, therefore was
..
> a flea-bitten grey).  But she reminds me of her in a lot of ways:  bugging
> out at the wind;  a whole lot of power just waiting to be asked to run;  a
> big affectionate oaf who's kind of scared by all the stuff that's happened
> to her lately, yet who's looking for a friend.  

Sounds like a neat story!   But you're right, that name is a mouthful!
From her description, she sounds like a Coquette to me, and her given name
is close:  Co-Ket

  (is that reaching too far?  ;-))
                                   Rosalie
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:24:24 GMT
Subject: Re: accu-presure
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian


Accupressure is used on horses alot.  Some endurance riders
swear that it keeps their horses going.  I have a friend who
used it on a TB with back problems - now the problem is the
horse feels sooo good he bucks.

Accupressure works on the premiss that there are points in the
body that act on other parts of the body.  The Chinesse have
been using it for centuries.  There is no medicine involved.
Instead, just a little pressure on some points make the body
react and cure itself.  

For the individual working on their own animals, you can make your 
animal feel better in a general way by yourself.  If you have a 
problem, then you should seek help with a professional.  For the
owner, find a clinic that explains what accupressure is about
and where the points are.  You can find out alot in a single day
clinic.  

If you are doing a race where vet involvement is limited (or you
are out of the race), you can "pet" your animal and be doing
the accupressure yourself.  Stroking the animal using the meridian
lines is a part of accupressure (meridian lines are the electrical
lines that connect the accupressure points).

When not in competition, you can use accupressure when your animal
is injured or sick while you wait for the vet to arrive.  This
will help the animal relax and promote healing before the vet arrives.

Wendy


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Subject: Re: dressage saddles
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:38:11 GMT

I've sat in nearly every dressage saddle made and come to the conclusion
that it's a really *personal* decision!  (Plus, of course, I'm not much
of a dressage rider.  Real dressage riders would probably shudder at the
requirements I have for a saddle!).

I have a De Kunfy -- the one with that weird mottled patterned leather
that looks like buffalo hide (heck, it might BE buffalo hide).  It's a
medium to deep seat with very little padding in the leg area.  It's short
billets which I don't like and intend (one of these days) to change, but
it sits me well on my particular horse.  I had wanted a County, but couldn't
find one used that was still in good condition.  I didn't like Stubben (too
flat) or Passier (too hard) or Crosby's Dover (too weird in the knee) or
any of the Keiffers (too much leather between me and the horse).  I liked
the County, Prix St. George (still too much leather between me and the horse,
but it was *comfortable* leather), the Moritz and I *LOVED* the Alerich (but
couldn't afford the price tag).  The going marketing hype for the Alerich is
"you can't sit wrong in this saddle" and I believe it.  My leg just flowed
into the correct position.  However, my trainer had an Alerich (before it
was stolen )-: and says it was 'too much' for one of her horses -- the
closeness of your seat in this saddle is enough to give very sensitive horses
a sore back, according to her experience).

The pony club in our area seems to favor Counties.  Up the hill in Ramona,
the pony club prefers Keiffers.  Go fish.

I think also--unless you are a really dedicated dressage rider--that looking
for a used saddle is the way to go.  It's already broken in:  you will by
default avoid the saddles that don't hold up well (there won't be any for
sale that still hang together) and it won't take you a year or so of work
to know if it suits you.  Really dedicated riders seem to like to do that
work themselves.

Good luck!
Adrienne Regard
From: fax0616@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: help
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:11:55 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


Call the AQHA and ask them if they will give you the owner of record's
address/telephone number.  Their number is 806-376-4811.  It is worth
a try!

Leigh Casey
From: doconnor@pima.inews.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horse keeping costs
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:07:55 GMT
Organization: /eng/eng25/doconnor/.organization
In-reply-to: fskjp@acad3.alaska.edu's message of 9 Apr 92 19:50:47 GMT


fskjp@acad3.alaska.edu (PRICHARD KIMBERLY J) writes:
]
] A 70-80 lb  bale will last your horses 2 ddays?

Acording to "The Horse", ISBN 0-7167-0491-9 (one of my wife's textbooks):

  Horses should receive a minimum of 1 to 1.5% of their body weight per day
  in roughage feeds (grass or legume hay) per day. Heavily worked horses,
  mares in foal or nursing, and young horses need more nutrtion, and this
  should be provided through grain, beteen 0.25% and 2.5% of body weight a day.

For a 1000 lb horse, this is 10-15 pounds of hay per day. A horse eating
35-40 pounds a day of roughage is getting plenty. The only problems with
horses eating too much hay is:

	1. fat horses, not a problem unless it goes to far

	2. "hay belly", a permanent enlargement of the cecum caused
	   by consumption of large quantities of low-quality roughage.
	   Easthetically unpleasing, but harmless, I think.

Of course, with pastured horses it's tough to know how much (or what :-)
they've been eating a day out in the field, so our strategy is to
feed them, usually, as if they didn't graze at all, except in unusual
situations when we know they've gotten a lot of grass. If you're
going to err, err on the side of moderate over-nutrition, not under.

( Yes, our horses are just a little bit fat, maybe by 40lbs.
  We're not worried about it. )

--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: dressage saddles
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:27:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: pbs.1992Apr15.142744.15832
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <1992Apr13.232741.27947@cabezon.uucp>, lizt@cabezon.uucp (B. Elizabeth Trojan) writes:
> 
> I am thinking of getting a new dressage saddle. I presently
> have a Stubben which is a nice enough saddle but it fits a
> bit too tightly through the withers on my horse. Other saddles
> that I have been looking at are Keiffers, Counties, and Passiers.
> I would also be interested in names, addresses, and phone numbers
> for saddle discount houses and your experiences with them.
> 
> 
> 
> Liz Trojan 
> (503)246-7850
> 
> 

I have a Passier PSL dressage which I bought used last year,
and I really like it.  Very comfortable, it fits my horse,
and I can sit correctly in it.
I have also tried my instructor's Karl Neidersuss (spelling
may be off) and it too was very comfortable and helped keep
my legs in a correct position.  These are supposed to be a 
more comfortable saddle for women due to the wider twist.

Melanie
  and Quest
-- 
**************************************************************
          Melanie L. Dresser	  mdresser@pbs.org    
**************************************************************
"In this world, you must be oh so smart, or oh so pleasant.
Well, for years I was smart; I recommend pleasant.  You may
quote me."  Elwood P. Dowd
**************************************************************
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:50:07 GMT
Subject: Re: L-Trytophan?
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian


    1) What is L-Trytophan? Is it a dangerous substance?
       It is in "Calm and Cool" which some people use to calm
       their horses. I have been using my voice and pats on
       the neck instead but they are only good for awhile.

    2) How do you calm down a horse who is spooky to start with
       and is petrified of loudspeakers? (She goes ballistic
       when we have to go by the speakers and the only time she
       is exposed to them is at the show...I can detox her on
       orange cones, banging gates, etc. but don't have anything
       for this). When the class finishes, she just stands there
       and shakes.

    I would like to make this a pleasant experience and take
    all the scary stuff out of it. She has been improving
    with each show (she's been in three so far) but is still
    dangerous in the ring IMHO.

Well, since I went to the clinic, I am now an enthusiast of TTEAM.
That's Tellington Touch Equine Awareness Method.  (It also works
on all animals.)

First horse into the clinic was a 4 year old who had never been handled.
The owners had bought her with a herd of horses and had been working
her for a coupld of weeks.  She comes into the clinic barn, head high,
prancing around, wild eyed (you know the look).  After 20 minutes of
TTEAM, the horse was head down, sleepy eyed, doing everything that
was asked of her.

So what did Linda Tellington-Jones do?  She rubbed the mare's ears.
She rubbed small circles around the mare's face.  She used the wand
(a while dressage whip) to stroke the mare.  She walked the mare
through a maze of poles.  The change in this horse was dramatic.

The second and third horses had bucking, running away, balking problems.
Again working with the horses on the ground, first by stroking the face
and body, then riding them, changed these horses.

I'd suggest that before you try drugs to calm down your horse, you
find a book or video on TTEAM and try it out.  According to Linda,
just a couple of lessons and the horse will remember to relax.  To
get you started, try this....

Hold your horse's ear in your hand.  Gently rotate the ear, move it
back and forth, forward and back.  Do this for several minutes.
Then rub the ear from base to tip.  Just hold the whole ear in your
hand, and rub it slowly for a few minutes.  (If you are looking
to get your horse more excited, rub quickly.)  Watch your horse's
eyes get sleepy.  Watch your horse's head drop into your lap.  
If your horse gets nervous while you are riding, reach over for the
ears and give them a little rub (I know you can't do this in a show,
but you can at home.)  The horse will "remember" to relax. 

Something Linda said at the clinic regarding horses that were scared
of things.  The horse sees something scarey.  He balks.  He gets hit.
He thinks "See I was right, that scarey thing hit me."  Then he is
scared of that thing forever.  Keep your cool when you are working
with a scared horse.  Talk slow and low.  This worked with a horse
that was terrified of plastic.  At the end of a few minutes work,
the horses was walking through the plastic like it wasn't there.

Wendy

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 20676JAE@MSU
Subject: Hoof suppliments
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: 10 Apr 1992 12:44:12 EDT

On the subject of supplimenting diet for stronger hooves, I thought I should
add my 2 cents based on what I have learned.  Apparently, adding suppliments
to your horses diet will HELP them if they are lacking the substances in their
system, but will do NO GOOD whatsoever if your horse has normal feet to start
with.

I remember this from EQUUS (sorry I don't remember when) and have learned this
in Horse Management here at MSU.  If you suppliment a horse that doesn't need
it the suppliment will be urinated out as fast as you put it in them, so don't
waste your money.  If you suppliment a horse that needs it, only the deficient
amount will be utilized and the excess will not, so use the smallest amount
that achieves the optimal results.

If you find something that WORKS on your horse, that's great!  But don't fall
into adding a suppliment out of guilt when there's no problem.  In this case
the only ones that benefit from it are the companies that supply the products.
There are people where I board who own horses that have never had a problem,
but they begin to suppliment them because they see their friend suppliment
their horse for a legitimate reason.

I hope I'm not being too strong, but it's an easy trap to fall into out of
guilt thinking you could be doing more for your horse.  Spend the money on
carrots instead, your horse will enjoy it more and get the same results.
                               Jenn
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,nj.wanted,nj.wanted,nj.wanted
From: axc@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (alex.cornella)
Subject: WWanted: AQHA Stud
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: quarter horse, stallion, north jersey
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: nj
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:58:31 GMT


Wanted: AQHA stud to breed to my registered mare.
Must have excellent temperament.  Prefer "old"type,
stocky working horse over elegant show types.

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian