From: santas@inf.ethz.ch (Philip Santas)
Subject: Re: computer terminology in Greek
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:53:38 GMT


In article <1992Nov13.012357.2784@cunews.carleton.ca> zarros@scs.carleton.ca (Theodoros Sp. Zarros) writes:
>Eixa arketo kairo na diabasw scg kai ksafniasthka eyxarista poy epesa panw
>s' ayth thn poly endiaferoysa koybenta ,sxetika me thn orologia twn ypologi-
>stwn.

Kalws hr8es sto syllogo twv "ypologisteutwv" :-)

> santas@inf.ethz.ch (Philip Santas) writes:
>> schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas) writes:

>>>Interpreter = Diermhneyths
>>
>>>>Syggvwmn, alla to Diermnveuths eivai margaritari.
>>>>Poios "egkefalos" to epivonse? To Diermnveas 6ev tou ekave
>>>>sto katw katw tns grafhs?

>To idio problhma eixa ki egw . O "egkefalos" poy epinohse ton diermhneyth
>prepei na eixe ba0eia gnwsh ths Ellhnikhs glwssas. H pros0hkh paragwgikwn
>katalhksewn einai synh0ismenh se metafraseis kai ka0e allo , para asxetosynh,
>mporei na 0ewrh0ei. 0a mporoyse isws na xrhsimopoih0ei kai to  <diermhneas>,
>alla kai to diermhneyths an kai kapws adokimo , den einai ka0oloy la0os.

"Kapws" _a6okimo_? Eilikriva eivai n prwtn fora pou blepw auto tov oro
(to i6io kai arketoi alloi). Otan yparxei h6n evas oros pou apo6i6ei
eva vonma, 6ev xreiazetai va pros8eseis kai alln syllabh kai va to kaveis
_tsirko_ gia va 3avapeis ta i6ia pragmata:

6iermnveuw --> 6iermnveas
koureuw  --> koureas (kai oxi koureuths)

>>>Mporeis na moy peis poioys akribvs nomoys ths ellhnikhs glvssas
>>>parabainei h lejh 'diermnveuths'? Giati san antiueta paradeigmata
>>>pare to ermhneia-ermhneyths, diakonia-diakoneyths, pramateia-pramateyths.

Pas gyreuovtas:

eisaggeleia ---> eisaggeleas (kai pros 8eou: oxi eisaggeleuths)
basileia ---> basilias (kai oxi basileuths)
grammateia ---> grammateas (kai oxi grammateuths)

Gia tsekarise kai pali ta peri "6iakovias". Kati 6ev paei kala...

Osov afora tn pragmateia klp, yparxei to pragmateuomai
opws kai politeia -> politeuomai -> politeuths
to opoio 6ev tairiazei ka8olou me to 6iermnveuw ---> 6iermnveas
basileuw -> basileas klp.

>>To i6io opws otav les tov ergatn ergateuth, tov kourea koureuth,
>>tov xasapn xasapeuth kok. Pisteuw va katalabaiveis tn 6iafora.

>Ta antiparadeigmata soy einai astoxa. Ta oysiastika ergaths , koyreas klp
>proerxontai apo ta antistoixa rhmata me thn pros0hkh ths paragwgikhs kata-
>lhkshs -as -ths klp. To ergaths den mporei na einai ergateyths giati
>proerxetai apo to rhma ergazomai . O diermhneas mporei na einai omws
>diermhney-ths apo to diermhneyw. Fantazomai oti kapote to xrhsimopoioysan,
>alla epekrathse to diermhneas xarin syntomias.

Mporei va to favtasesai, alla gia para6eigma to "basileuths", "eisaggeleuths",
klp pote 6ev yphr3av. Twra eav kapoioi kataskeuazouv gia va kavouv tous
e3ypvous, me geia tous me xara tous. Dev pauouv omws va kavouv blakeies.

>>>Eisai sigoyros oti h akribhs ermeinia ths lejhs 'metafrasths' sta 
>>>ellhnika einai aytos poy doyleyei frash-frash? H entypvsh moy einai 
>>>oti aytoi poy metafrazoyn se pragmatiko xrono legontai diermhneis. 
>>>Env aytoi poy metafrazoyn p.x. ena biblio legontai metafrastes.

Ti 6ouleia exei o pragmatikos xrovos e6w?
Eav peis 
fun f()=f()
evas "compiler" to kavei se "pragmatiko xrovo", evas "interpreter"
8a perimevei ws tn 6eutera parousia.

Milame gia leitourgies e6w, kai oxi gia xrovometrhseis.

Kai pou ei6es oti symfwvw me to Diermnveas?

>>>Eilikrina pantvs, den katalabainv toys syneirmoys soy. H diafora metajy
>>>compiler kai interpreter den einai sto an phgainoyn frash-frash. To front 
>>>end kai stis dyo periptvseis phgainei statement-statement. An diaferoyn 
>>>se kati einai sto an ekteleitai o sygkekrimenos kvdikas h oxi. Sthn deyterh
>>>periptvsh sygketrvnetai se mia ontothta. H metafrash kai stis dyo periptvseis 
>>>ginetai kata logikes ontothtes ki oxi me mias.

Koita kai pali (kala, prwtoeths eisai? :-): o "compiler" paei apo mia glwssa
se allh (sto eviameso mporei va paragei eva swro kw6ikes), mesw evos
meta-sythmatos pou kavei avtistoixies se glwsses, kavei metaglwtisn, 
eivai metaglwtisths.
O "interpreter" _6ev_ paei se alln glwssa, xrnsimopoiei tis eswterikes 6omes
tou systhmatos gia va metaferei tous orismous pou tou 6iveis, kai xrhsimopoiei
to olo systhma kai gia ta epomeva sta6ia: auto to kavei mesw evos meta-sythmatos
pou epe3ergazetai _oxi_ glwsses, alla _ekfraseis_ mias sygkekrimevs glwssas:
kavei metafrasn.

Twra eav mplekesai me ta biblia kai tnv metafrasn apo ta agglika
sta ellnvika, e, 6ev vomizw va eivai sxetiko me auta pou givovtai
sto mnxavnma.

Osov afora to Diermnveas: as to krathsouv gia tous Translators.
(6iafwvei kaveis?)

>>H apo6osn metaglwtisths/metafrasths eivai i6avikh.
>
>Den kserw ti lete 'seis , egw omws sthn Patra edina Metafrastes I ,II
>kai htan Compilers :-)

Ta perases toulaxistov? :-)

Xairetw, Filippos



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