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From: bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Just laughing at England
Date: 13 Nov 1992 12:37:29 GMT
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In article <BxM32v.IC7@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>
>They then follow it up by stuffing it full of English sports like cricket
>Badminton horse trials (ho hum), darts (yawn!), snooker (zzzzzz!) etc.
>I don't recall having ever seen shinty, or curling on them.

Well I hardly think shinty or curling are wildly popular among the bulk
of the Scottish population, let alone the population of the UK as a
whole.  Snooker on the other hand would appear to pretty popular there
judging by the recent crop of snooker stars coming from north of the
border.

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From: cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Bully Scores 2 at last
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:28:03 GMT
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Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK

Well, Even Coventry losing to those bores from london couldn`t ruin my day.
A 5-1 win against Bristol Rovers with Bully and Burke sharing 4. Even
Robbie Dennison got on the score sheet. Soon I will get a match report I
hope because I couldn`t go at the last minute. The 3 games which I
couldn`t go to at the last minute we have won 6-1, 4-0, and now 5-1.
Maybe this should happen more often!!
Any other silly happenings of this sort ?

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the Wanderers team.
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From: yewhin@ecf.toronto.edu (YEW HIN Jimmy)
Subject: Souness
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:26:24 GMT

I am a die hard Liverpool fan , but this time I have to let it out : Souness is doing a
lousy job. Losing 6-2 in the second round of a European Cup when just a few years ago 
we were one of the most feared team on the european scene: something must be wrong.

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Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 13:41:48 CET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Europe : Most Results Nov 4\
Summary: Details Austrian matches
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)

rgty_mrw@waikato.ac.nz (Mark Willcock) writes:
>LONDON, Nov 4, - Collated results of second round, second leg matches in
>European club soccer competitions on Wednesday:
>
>European Cup
>
>Austria Vienna (Austria) 3 Club Brugge (Belgium) 1
Att: 15,000
49' Zsak 1-0 (beautiful free kick, Platini wouldn't have done better)
65' VanderHeyden 1-1 (killed the tie, of course)
73' Fridrikas 2-1 (F. was substitute, should have been brought earlier IMHO)
90' Hasenhuettl 3-1 (too little too late)
Match played in Rapid's Hanappi-Stadium (as opposed to Austria's Horr-Stadium)
in order to get a greater crowd and in the hope that Brugge would remember
their two Euro-exits in the same Stadium (at the hands of Rapid).
>Aggregate score 3-3. Brugge win on away goals rule
>
>PSV Eindhoven (Netherlands) 3 AEK Athens (Greece) 0
>PSV win 3-1 on aggregate
Three goals by Romario da Souza Faria.
>
>AC Milan (Italy) 4 Slovan Bratislava (Czechoslovakia) 0
Boban (another great free kick), Rijkaard, Simone and Papin.
>AC Milan win 5-0 on aggregate

>Cup Winners' Cup
>
>Antwerp (Belgium) 3 Admira Wacker (Austria) 4
>(after extra time, 90 minutes 2-4)
>Antwerp win 7-6 on aggregate

Now *this* was truly amazing. Antwerp had won 4-2 in the Suedstadt, and then
this happened:

Att: 5,000
22' Czerniatynski 1-0
39' Marschall (A/W) red card (seemed a bit harsh)
45' Severeyns 2-0
46' Bacher 2-1
59' Abfalterer 2-2
64' Ljung 2-3
78' Ljung 2-4

With a man less, AW had scored 4 goals in one half. It would have been one
of the most amazing fightbacks in Europacup history (only 4 times a team
made up a 2-goal deficit AWAY), but alas, in extra time:

95' (?) Van Rethy 3-4
Still, the exhausted A/W team had some chances on 3-5 in the dying minutes...

Servus,
Karel
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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: US Team News
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:27:41 GMT

Hi everyone,

Things are pretty quiet around here now but I do have a little news.

The US will be playing Monaco on November 19 for its final match of the year.

The USSF is busy mulling over who it is going to give full time contracts to
next year.  20 will be given out and the players will all live together at
the new Mission Viejo Soccer Facility.

Both Desmond Armstrong and Peter Vermes will miss the Monaco game with injuries
Its a shame because Peter seemed to have a future in front of him after Italia
90 but it has become readily clear that he in no more than our 6th or 7th best
forward.  I think his international days are coming to a close.  Desmond still
has a good chance to grab a spot on the final roster but stiff competition will
be coming from the olympians.

In more positive news, soon to be a US citizen, Preki, has signed on with 
Everton of the English Premeir League.  Anybody who has followed the indoor
soccer in the US knows Preki.  An absolute magician with the ball indoors but
I have never seen him play outdoors.  Obviously he still is a great outdoor
player.  He also will bring an interesting twist to the US national team
when he becomes a citizen.  If the "young phenom" Claudio Reyna does not
mature in time Preki will get a fair shot at a roster slot.  By the way, Preki
will be plaing under his Serbian name Predrag Radosavljevic.  Oh boy, I can't
wait to hear Martin Tyler roll that name off his tounge.

Hugo Perez is considering playing in the new Saudi Arabian league that begins
play next month.

Brent Goulet continues to lead his German Third Division Group in scoring.  He
has 13 goals in 12 games for Tennis Borussia.

I finnaly found out what happen to Steve Snow. He is home rehabilitating his
problem right knee.  He had two surgeries to repare the anterior cruciate
ligament.  He is expected to be out at leat six months.  Lets all hope tiny
FC Boom stays in the first division in Belgium so hopefully Steve can rejoin
them next year.

Frank Klopas has finnaly returned to playing with AEK Athens of Greece.  He
has been out since last Jaunuary with a complication resulting from a knee
surgery.

Hmmmm,  I guess I had more to say than I thought.  Oh well, talk to you next
week.

Andy B
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Football Manager Game?
From: bennett_w@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (William Francis Bennett)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 09:34:59 GMT
Reply-To: bennett_w@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
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Does anyone know of a decent Football Manager style game that'll run on a Mac
SE?

Thanks, now where can I get one?


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Date: Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 10:53:37 CET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Some more EE leagues
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)

As I have a few spare minutes, and because Kent and Pavel will be
very thankful ;-), I'll post some more East European results. To be
precise, the latest scores from Albania, Slovenia, and "The remainder
of Yugoslavia". Only for Slovenia I have the complete table at hand,
however I should be able to dug up all previous rounds somewhere as
well, and I might even be persuaded to post these results sometime
soon. Encouraging email will help ;-)

SLOVENIA
Round 14 (played Nov 8)
Nafta Lendava           2-3 NK Ljubljana
Koper                   1-1 Slovan Mavrica
Branik Maribor          2-0 Rudar Velenje
SAOP Gorica             0-1 Mura Murska Sobota
Potrosnik Beltinci      1-3 Steklar Slatina
Studio D Novo Mesto     2-0 Zeleznicar Maribor
SCT Olimpija Ljubljana  2-1 Elektro Zagorje
Svoboda Ljubljana       3-1 Zivila Naklo
Belvedur Izola          2-0 Publikum Celje

Table:
 1.SCT Olimpija    14  37- 9  21
 2.NK Ljubljana    14  23-14  20
 3.Mura            14  20-11  20
 4.Branik          14  22-11  19
 5.Studio D        14  13- 7  18
 6.Svoboda         14  19-10  16
 7.Zivila          14  20-21  15
 8.Elektro         14  15-15  14
 9.Rudar           14  20-26  14
10.Steklar         14  19-24  13
11.SAOP            14  18-19  12
12.Publikum        14  14-20  12
13.Koper           14  10-18  12
14.Belvedur        14  14-16  11
15.Slovan          14  17-20  10
16.Zeleznicar      14  12-21  10
17.Nafta           14  16-26  10
18.Potrosnik       14  14-35   5

"YUGOSLAVIA"
Round 11 (Nov 1)
Pristina        1-1 Buducnost
Becej           5-1 Kikinda
Crvena zvezda   3-0 Mogren
Sutjeska        1-3 Vojvodina
OFK Beograd     2-1 Zemun
Radnicki NB     1-1 Rad Beograd
Proleter        1-2 Partizan
Radnicki Nis    1-0 Hajduk Kula
Spartak         2-2 Napredak

Top of table:
 1.Partizan       11  29- 4  21
 2.Vojvodina      12  22-13  20
 3.Crvena zvezda  11  22- 6  16

ALBANIA
Round 12 (Nov 8)
Partizani     1-0 Laci
Apolonia      3-3 Kastrioti
Sopoti        1-1 Vllaznia
Flamurtari    2-1 SK Tirana
Dinamo Tirana 1-1 SK Teuta
Tomori        Ppd Patosi
Besa          2-1 Pogradeci
SK Elbasani   0-0 SK Lushnja

Top of table:
 1.Partizani      12  22- 9  19
 2.Besa           12  20- 8  18
 3.Dinamo         12  18-16  16

Topscorer:
Majaci (Apolonia)  14

Cheers,
Karel
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From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Rangers Match Report
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:42:45 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

Played on Wednesday 11th November

Rangers     3  Dundee  1

McCoist 31,49  Den Biemen 42
Hateley 89

Att. 33,497

This game was probably the worst I've seen so far this season and will be
remembered for only one thing - Gary Stevens made his comeback. It was
bitterly cold last night and the rain was stotting off the ground. John Brown
was a surprise starter in a game which did little to support claims for a
super league, after all, crap games against Dundee will still have to be
played. Rangers took the lead quite uneventfully when a Fergie shot which was
going wide was poked into the net by SAlly eight yards out. Rangers then
sqaundered a couple of chances to make it two and hence Dundee equalised when
Den Biemen rose in the box to head in off the post in their first shot at
goal. Wattie must have roasted them at half-time as they came out looking
more determined and took the lead when SAlly Buddy Holly'd home from just
inside the box after neat work from the big man for his 31st of the season.
Hateley himself then hit the underside of the bar in the next minute then
Goram had to look sharpish at the other end a shot nowhere shot took a
deflection, and with Goram going the other way, he turned and touched the
ball onto the post and clear. Sumo Stainrod came on late in the game for a
bit of abuse and Duffy should have been sent off for his second two footed
tackle on Hateley. Hateley had the last laugh however when he rose at the far
post from the resultant free kick to head home. He made a gesture to Duffy as
he ran past him just to wind him up a bit more. Central heating should be
installed under the seats as it's Bertie Auld at this time of year. McCoist
got man of the match but Billy Dodds was everywhere for Dundee but no-one
else really stood out. Stevens came through no bother and will have a few
games before we play Marseille. Stainrod should keep off the puddin' suppers
and keep his mouth shut and lose a few cluggers out of his team. As for
Rangers it's the eighteenth straight win.

Rangers:  Goram, Stevens, Robertson, McPherson, Brown, Ferguson, McCall
(Gordon), Durrant, McCoist, Hateley, Huistra

Premier League  (we were there first)
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                 P  Pts
Rangers          16 28
Hertz            17 23
Aiberdeen        16 22
Celtic           17 21
Partick Thistle  17 19
Dundee Utd.      17 18
Hibs             16 14
St. Johnstone    16 12
Falkirk          16 12
Dundee           17 12
Airdrie          16  9
Motherwell       17  8

Next game is the 21st when we visit Hertz at the Edinburry piggery due to the
Scotland game next week.

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From: louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen)
Subject: Re: English Soccer
Organization: AI Engineering BV, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:09:53 GMT

In article <6315@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> leitm@essex.ac.uk (Leith M F) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.163416.8065@aie.nl> louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen) writes:
>>In article <6226@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> leitm@essex.ac.uk (Leith M F) writes:
>>>Three cheers for the sportsmanship in Dutch international football.
>>>Players like "Gobber" Rijkard and "hacker" Koemann do so much for the
>>>image of the game.
>>
>>And what is your finishing touch? A stupid remark in the style of the ones you
>>replied on. Rijkaard is one of the most clean players I know. I think
>>each country has it hackers.
>>
>And what was YOUR finishing touch ?  A statement in support of a player who
>spat at Voeller twice in the last World Cup, once to get him sent off and
>once afterwards.  Get your facts right.  I made legitimate criticisms of
>two rather dirty players.
>If Rijkaard is one of the cleanest players you know, Dutch football
>must REALLY be dirty!  

 You based your criticism on just one incident. I admit that this had
nothing to do with football. Besides that I have never seen Rijkaard
making any fouls  different from fouls by other players. Each country
has its dirty players. 

> Seriously though, 
>I regret having had a go at Dutch football in general.  I was pretty fed
>up at the rubbish those two guys put in the original post.

I can understand that as well. I already made a reply on this stupid 
posting. The most worse of all is that they don't even have the guts
to reply on the reactions they have caused on the net. The asses.

Louis Kossen

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From: tkovacs@tribble.eecs.wsu.edu (Tamas Kovacs - EECS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Hungarian soccer
Date: 9 Nov 1992 16:41:57 -0600
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Does anyone know anything about what Hungary has been doing in the World Cup 
qualifiers?  I haven't heard or read anything about their performance.  If you
know what's going on,  could you please post it?  
Thanks a zillion!

Tamas at eecs.wsu.edu  (Washington State University, where we only have women's
                        NCAA soccer)
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: dundee merger, uefa and rangers in europe
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:29:20 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology



    God only knows what's happened to the plan...hope it stays dead and buried
and never reappears. Why should past glories of both the dees and united be
lost because some guy wants the accounts sheet to balance?  Supporters of most
clubs couldn't give a toss about the books, they only want to see their team
win games, play well etc...I don't really care what happens in europe now...
although if rangers somwhow managed to get milan in a final, UEFA might wake up
and give scottish sides another UEFA cup place in 93/94 instead of giving it
to a team no-one can pronounce from Estonia or somewhere....if they do it, i'll
have to avoid the Daily Record for several weeks....

               <<< axel the derry boy >>>
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: rangers
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:25:02 +0100
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology



   Oh what a surprise...another arrogant hun who thinks if you don't like
rangers then you must be a tim...grow up pal...
   And while you are taking the **** out of Dundee, you might remember we
stuffed you lot up at Dens a couple of months ago...
   Unfortunately, this didn't affect the major superiority complex you huns
seem to have.....
   I am not siding with the tims as you seem to think.
the only side i'm on is that of Dundee FC

              <<< axel the derry boy >>>
Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: grc@stl.stc.co.uk (Gary Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Re: English Soccer
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:42:07
Organization: STC Technology Ltd., London Road, Harlow, UK.
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In-reply-to: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl's message of Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:26:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.122638.25124@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:

Well, I just had to ....


>   louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen) writes:
>
>   >I can understand that as well. I already made a reply on this stupid 
>   >posting. The most worse of all is that they don't even have the guts
>   >to reply on the reactions they have caused on the net. The asses.
>
>   >Louis Kossen
>
>      Lesson 1:
>
>      English soccer sucks.
>

Based on one or two games ???? MMMmmmmmmm ...


>      Lesson 2: 
>
>      We don't
>
>
What ? In the Dutch 1st div. 3 good teams and the rest that wouldn't
survive in the Beazer Homes 3rd Division Under-15s for the blind !!!
That's a *real* healthy setup ....


      Lesson 3:
>
>      The Dutch national team is the best in the world 
>

Mmmmm .. recent matches are :-

          Nederland 2 Italy 3
          Norway 2 Nederland 1
          Poland 2 Nederland 2

This must mean Norway are the best in the Universe ?


>      Lesson 4:
>
>      Germans are dirty, not Dutchmen. We don't need it...
>

No, South Americans are dirty, Germans are divers and actors ,
Dutchmen are the same as everyone else, mostly fair but they have
their moments ....eg. Rijkard.


>
>   Sidney & Mischa
>
>   PS: Get a life!
>   -- 
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Come on Mischa ... Your letting us PSV fans down ...

Gary Cook.

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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Re: Appalling performance
Organization: Wits University
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 18:38:43 RSA

In article <reds.69.720972797@gribb.hsr.no>
reds@gribb.hsr.no (Svendsen, Trygve       7-95) writes:
 
>As a true Liverpool supporter, I completely agree.
>The foundations of Liverpool's success in Europe have always been
>built on disciplined performances.
>3 sending-offs in four games is appalling(not to mention the reaction
>of Souness!).
>Sadly, Souness doesn't even know what discipline is.
>With so many young players currently in the team, Souness needed to
>set an example. I dare say his ways of doing this is rather pathetic.
>Souness must now resign. In the short period of time he has been  boss at
>Anfield, he has only brought humiliation to Liverpool and
>their faithful supporters.
>
 
Oh no ! Please dont suggest that Souness should go. Liverpool may just
decide and get a decent mangager and that could spell trouble
for all the other clubs once again.
 
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From: marco@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Subject: UEFA Cup: Torino - Dynamo Moscow (2nd Round - 2nd Leg: Nov 5 Game)
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 19:43:11 GMT

Played Thursday, November 5, 1992:

                           UEFA Cup
                    Second Round - Second Leg

Dynamo Moscow (Russia)	0	Torino (Italy)		0

    Dynamo win on aggregate (2-1).


Torino becomes the second of six Italian teams which started this
round to be eliminated failing to reverse their 2-1 loss at home. The
game was played under the rain with the pitch being in very poor
shape. Both teams finished with 10 players; Dynamo had a player sent
off for a retaliatory foul at the 8th minute of the second half and 40
minutes later, Annoni of Torino was sent off.


So, 4 of the 6 Italian teams survive the second round with Napoli and
Torino both eliminated from the UEFA Cup. Not a bad result overall,
but it's still disappointing to see Napoli and Torino out of it.


Marco...
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From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Rules Query
Date: 12 Nov 1992 08:49:00 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Keith -

	A defender MAY indeed touch the ball once released from the 
goalkeeper, even if the ball is still in the penalty area. 

	Used to be, that the keeper could not pick it back up until it had 
been touched by an opponent (anywhere) or a teammate *outside* the penalty 
area. With the new law regarding keeper possession from a teammate's kick 
this is no longer relevant - and (I think?) no longer in the laws of the game.

        josef
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