From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: TERMINATOR II
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:33:52 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <64238@hydra.gatech.EDU>, by ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz):
> In article <5607@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>>From article <64176@hydra.gatech.EDU>, by ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz):
> You have *got* to be kidding!  The reason no one believed her is because
> the story is unbelievable.  But now she has proof!  All she has to do is
> tell Johnny to tell the 800-series to come with her to Dyson's house, and
> cut his arm open.  The proof is there and it's incontravertible!

They had the arm, the chip and the "case record" of the first
terminator, and didn't believe a damn thing.  Also, YOU know how nice
and sensible a kind of guy Dyson is, but she doesn't.  <Sarcasm on> To
be sure, the way she behaves, it's almost as if being locked in an
asylum had convinced her people wouldn't listen to her. <Sarcasm off>

>>How would she know what it's programmed to do?  Because it tells her
>>it's her friend?  Even a completely sane person would be very careful
>>before choosing to believe the Terminator.

> Gee I don't know.  If it hasn't killed her and John by now, there's a good
> chance that he's on their side....  All he needs to do is kill Johnny, and
> it's all over.  If he didn't do it, there's probably a reason.

"Gee I don't know."  I love this.  If you admit that much, why not the
rest.  "A good chance."  I bet you routinely cross highways on foot,
or play Russian Roulette if friends ask you to, because there's "a
good chance" you'll survive.  Hey, that gun is just a tool!  Only a 1
in 6 chance!  Jesus.

> I guess, then, that a circular saw isn't a tool, because it's on a completely
> different scale of complexity than the wheel, which is one of the first
> simple tools.

If you don't know anything about technology expect oxen-pulled carts,
and you find a circular saw in the desert and you inadvertently switch
it on, you'll never go near another such thing in your life, unless
forced to.  "Just a tool" is an attempt to belittle the complexity of
tools to support your invalid argument, and it ignores the differences
between the things that are "just tools".  Obviously you think that
the wheel being invented before the microwave oven was a coincidence.
 
> It's still a tool.  It was designed by someone (something) for a specific
> purpose.  

YES!  Right.  Killing people.  See?  Now, that purpose may have been
changed, but she has no insight into its purpose, she was not present
when this was done, she cannot analyze it, so she has to rely on
guesses.

> That makes it a tool.  Just like the TV set, and the microwave
> oven.

(Shudder) Yeah, just like all paintings are "blobs of color".  I think I see
what you mean, and I see the problem you have with the film, but I
can't help you there.

> And again, this is business.  When you're this close to making the breakthru

How do they know how close they were?  You dobn't know you've got a
breakthrough until it works.  

> that's going to make your company very rich, you send 6 dozen roses to the
> funeral and get a replacement.

Who knows whether the replacement will have the same inspirations?
It's no longer guaranteed if they will make it, or when.
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Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
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