From: chrisb@seachg.uucp (Chris Blask)
Subject: Child Abuse (got tired of the old subject)
Reply-To: chrisb@seachg.UUCP (Chris Blask)
Organization: Me, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 21:58:00 GMT

># #I've already posted, repeatedly, a number of sources that show
># #that men molesting boys are somewhere between 20% and 26% of
># #child molestation.  That's about 5x the number of homosexuals
># #in the population.
># 
># Many male pedophiles are straight men who abuse young boys simply because it is
>
>That's right, straight men are the ones that have sex with the same
>sex!  More game playing by the people that redefine homosexual when
>convenient.
>
># much easier to get access to boys than to girls for a man who is not 
># related to the child(ren) in question.  Most parents won't trust their 
># young daughters to
># non-relative males, but feel that having adult friends will be good for their
># son(s).  Most of these men are abusing boys mainly because they are the only
># children available to them and childhood is more important than gender to the
># abuser.  (I can produce documentation on this if asked.)
>
>Great.  I haved recent scholarly works that say that male pedophiles
>are frequently homosexuals, usually closeted.
>Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
 
I don't think there will ever be resolution between the two sides in this
debate.  The facts are not being argued, just the interpretation.  I
believe the majority of the people yelling at Clay will agree that the
majority of child abuse is performed by men who live heterosexually,
supress the shit out of their homosexual desires, and crack because of the
pressure.  The debate is about whether this is the result of being
homosexual, or being hungup about it.  A brief look at other societies and
human psychology in general will tend to indicate the latter more than the
former (suppression leading to breakdown) as in any similar
desire/supressed desire situation.

I will go out on a limb, here, and pseudo-side with Clay on one point;
professed homosexuals in our society are quite possibly more unstable than
"true" straight people.  The difference between Clay and I is that I think
the instability comes from society as opposed to the acts, or desire for
them.  Wads and wads of blame should go straight to the Christian Church.
I'm not sure of Clay's reason for his interest, even though he has sent me
his original "scholarly works", and claims to have fought for gay rights in
one way or the other [Clay also notes, to his credit, that the author of one
of those works does not agree with his conclusion].  Actually, for 
those who missed it, much of the text points to child molestation leading 
to homosexuality - which is just another societal guilt reaction - and then, 
I suppose, those disturbed kids grow up to be gay and rape other kids.  This 
is meant to lead to the fact that gay people are all screwed up.

I would imagine that most people in our society could be defined "all
screwed up" from at least one angle (<- anti-flame header), and I'm sure a
valid arguement could be staged to classify non-heterosexuals as "screwed
up" too.  Most of the gay people I have known (not that I'm an expert, or
anything) have been at least a bit uncomfortable, twitchy or downright
arrogant on the subject; though a few are totally at peace and content.  
I would only blame "the long, pointing finger of society" for the bulk of
these personal problems.  The rest of you heteros, could you _imagine_
saying "I'm gay" out loud within earshot of another human.  Makes the old
testosterone dry up and brings to mind scenes like, "plains, Trains and
Automobiles -" How 'Bout Those Bears?!  GRR!  Think I'll just go press some
weights!".  No wonder if that has left a twitch in someone's eye.  But
there _have_been_ (are) other human societies where these coorelations do not
exist, adding credence to my point.

-chris blask

PS  I think Clay is a CHRISTIAN, (the _real_ kind), in which case we're all
wasting our breath.  Nothing a mortal can say will distract a True Believer
from finding the questions to fit their answers.