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From: mark@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: MI linked to Moz "killer" in Natal
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:33:25 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town

MI linked to Moz "killer" in Natal
by Political Staff [Cape Times Nov 18, 1992]

A former Frelimo soldier, who claimed he had been employed to murder
township residents in Natal, had his hotel bills paid by a credit
card linked to Military Intelligence.

This was confirmed by Mr Tory Pretorius of the Goldstone Commission
yesterday.

Democratic Party law and order spokesman Mr Peter Gastrow last night 
said this "needs an urgent investigation and the Goldstone Commission
needs to be empowered to undertake it".

Mr Joao Alberto Cuna, a former Mozambican soldier who reportedly 
deserted, told the Vrye Weekblad newpaper recently that the SA Police
narcotics squad officer Mr "Boy" Schultz had employed him in Johannes-
burg to carry out political murders.

The SAP have since denied that Mr Schultz was ever a member and that Mr
Cuna's claims were untrue (sic - MR).

SAP liaison chief General Leon Mellet was yesterday unable to say 
whether Mr Schultz had been a member of MI, although he thought it
unlikely.

Mr Cuna claimed that in March or April this year he had helped shoot a
house full of residents near Durban.  He and Mr Schultz had stayed in
a Maritzburg hotel en route to the township killing.

Mr Pretorius confirmed to the (Natal) Mercury newspaper yesterday that
the commission had followed this up and discovered that Mr Cuna had
stayed in the Hilton Hotel near Maritzburg.

The commission visited the hotel and recovered the counterfoils of the
credit card used to pay the bill.

These were checked and the commission then traced the name and address 
of the company which held the credit card.

It was a front company for the MI centre raided by the commission last
week - from which the five files detailing double killer and former CCB
member Ferdi Barnard's employment by MI were removed by the commission's
investigators.

Mr Pretorious said he could not comment on whether this linked MI to 
violence in Natal, but "in due course all these things" would be
investigated.

Mr Gastrow said that the information available "results in reasonable
inference that there was a direct MI involvement in the Natal
violence".

"But inferences are not sufficient to establish fact and this needs to
be investigated urgently," he said.

"For as long as these bits of evidence float around all allegations
relating to third force co-responsibility for violence will continue
to have some credibility."

Attempts to get comment from the Defence Ministry yesterday failed.
From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: SADF Admits All - Project Mweene
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:55:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucthpx.1992Nov18.005518.621
Organization: University of Cape Town
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In a shocking development the Goldstone Commission here
has uncovered a covert plan by shadowy figures in Military
Intelligence (the infamous "Section Zero" sometimes known
as "kunsmatig") to infiltrate Afro-American anti-apartheid
lobbying. 

Secret files seized at an undisclosed location reveal that
former CCB "dirty tricks" operative Ferdi "Swart Karwats" 
Barnard was employed briefly by MI Section Zero to 
suggest strategies for undermining, among others, 
anti-apartheid activists abroad, particularly on US campuses,
who have been widely cited as key players in the
collapse of the apartheid system and the intellectual
driving force behind the ANC's economic and social policy.

One of these projects involved the creation of "dummy" 
user accounts at US international network sites, to tarnish
the image of the much feared anti-South African lobby. This
was sinisterly dubbed "Project Mweene" (apparently a reference
to aspects of "Swart Karwats" Barnard's sexual persona),
and involved the creation of advanced mailservers and other
*classified* equipment. The files indicate remarkable progress
comparable to the Nazi secret weapons project, with the system
attaining a vocabulary of some 200 words, although later results
revealed severe structural limitations, 
with only meagre consciousness attained.

Nevertheless, interest from military intelligence divisions in Iraq
and Chile has been rumoured.

The shadowy Barnard is widely credited with the success of the
operation, employing novel techniques learnt while he was employed
by the "Special Projects" division run by the admin at the
notorious University of Cape Town (Barnard is a former
SRC chairman and outgoing treasurer of the coffee club). 

UCT Administration
officials denied any knowledge of Barnard's activities,
and referred all enquiries to the Vice Chancellor, who could not
be reached at the time of writing, reportedly due to golfing
comittments.

In another shocking development, the Duchess of York (popularly
known as "Fergie") has been romantically linked to P. (Project)
Mweene. Buckingham Palce spokesman, Brigadier ffoulkes-Smith (retired)
declined to comment. The brigadier is reportedly a survivor
of the Isandwala massacre. The Duke of York, contacted on his
yachting holiday in Carribean, has been quoted as saying
"that's 197 more words than Fergie could ever master", leading
to extensive speculation about the state of the royal marriage.

SAP/Reuter
From: shemlon@occlusal.rutgers.edu (Shiyghan Shemlon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: AFRICA'S BLEAK FUTURE
Keywords: Africa's future
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:58:15 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <Nov.22.17.13.37.1992.19707@occlusal.rutgers.edu>, shemlon@occlusal.rutgers.edu (Shiyghan Shemlon) writes:

> I POSTED THE ARTICLE ON "AFRICA'S BLEAK FUTURE". THE FOLLOWING REPLY
> WAS SENT TO ME AND I FELT I SHOULD SHARE IT WITH YOU. I SHALL BE
> POSTING MY REFLECTIONS ON IT SHORTLY.
> 


The author has expressed no objection to the posting of this reply.
His permission has be sort and obtained. So, you can consider that
posting to have the author's permission.

Thanks.........
 
Shemlon wo wan wan Viban
From: cscoging@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (Chris Scogings)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: MI linked to Moz "killer" in Natal
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:19:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: unpcs1.cscoging.27.722099962
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, UNP
NNTP-Posting-Host: pc092.cc.unp.ac.za

In the main article on the above:

>Mr Cuna claimed that in March or April this year he had helped shoot a
>house full of residents near Durban.  He and Mr Schultz had stayed in
>a Maritzburg hotel en route to the township killing.

>Mr Pretorius confirmed to the (Natal) Mercury newspaper yesterday that
>the commission had followed this up and discovered that Mr Cuna had
>stayed in the Hilton Hotel near Maritzburg.

This has nothing to do with the subject, but it is interesting to note that
out of about 8 hotels in Maritzburg (yes, there really are 8!!), the Hilton
is definitely one of the most expensive.


Never try to teach a pig to sing
It wastes your time and annoys the pig
                               - Robert Heinlein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: NBC from Africa
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:40:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1egq8gINNro1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bk577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jane Bires Jiumaleh) writes:
>
>If you want to respond to NBC regarding the Today Show from
>Africa, write or call:
>The Today Show
>30 Rockefeller Plaza
>New York, NY  10121
>zip 10112
>Phone:  212 664 4249


I would like to write a letter. I could post it on the net before I mailed
it so that all those who have seen the show can comment and possibly suggest
changes. what do you think?


makala

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: nrswart@phonon.uwaterloo.ca (Nicholas R. Swart)
Subject: Re: TODAY IN AFRICA.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:31:23 GMT

In article <BxyEBn.CI5@casper.cs.uct.ac.za> gds@cs.uct.ac.za writes:
>faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu (Felicitas A. Atabong) writes:
...
>
>As a South African living abroad for quite some time, I was surprised how
>ignorant people were about Africa.  Someone would ask "From where are you?"
....
>Most North Americans think of Africa as one country - just as they

Most North Americans are terribly ignorant about the rest of the world
including Africa. Not only that, what little they do know is incredibly
biased by what they see on the television. I was always amazed when coming
to Canada that I knew more about Canadian history and geography than
Canadian students! I kid you not! And what little they knew of Africa was
pure 'politically correct' rot.

>think of North America as one country (and now and then they might concede
>there are a few snow-bound Canadians to the north :-)
>-- 
>Riel Smit,  Computer Science                              gds@cs.uct.ac.za
>University of Cape Town                      gds%cs.uct.ac.za@rain.psg.com

Nicholas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: ferdi@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Ferdi Scheepers)
Subject: Re: Kalla Botha on Ferdi Barnard (Was Re: Scandal alert: more to follow
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:47:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.221125.13442@frcs.Alt.ZA> linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson) writes:
>After featuring a soft-spoken Ferdi Barnard claiming (probably
>correctly) that he is being used as a scapegoat by authorities with
>all kinds of things to hide, 702 this morning featured a character analysis 
>by Kalla Botha, who claimed that his friend Ferdi is a caring, sensitive
>individual. "Yes," said Kalla, "I could say that that is the real
>Ferdi."
>
>[For those who don't know, both individuals concerned were/are (at the very
>least) members of increasingly notorious SA government-sponsored hit
>squads. Ferdi was quoted in court as bragging about what a good shot
         ^^^^^
>he was/is and how good he was/is at covering up his killings.]
>
>Linda

I'm a poor shot and would be terrible at it if I'd had killings to cover up.

My name is not that common, so I get a jolt when I notice it out of context.
So, rephrasing Linda's comment (without permission, of course), and
in the process making it a little less personal, Linda :-)

[For those who don't know, both individuals concerned were/are (at the very
least) members of increasingly notorious SA government-sponsored hit
squads. Barnard was quoted in court as bragging about what a good shot
he was/is and how good he was/is at covering up his killings.]

Cheers
Ferdi Scheepers
CIS Graduate Student
From: philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Philip Machanick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Star Editorial (long - was Re: Scandal alert: more to follow)
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:21:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: shannon.1992Nov17.112137.4580
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Wits University
X-Xxdate: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:53:56 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

As promised in my earlier posting here's more. Front page editorial
comment
from the Star:

The Truth Must Out

The Goldstone Commission revelations yesterday provide irrefutable
evidence
of moral corruptio, not to say depravity, at the highest level of the
South African Defence Force.

These revelations will send the country reeling -- yet, paradoxically,
they
will not come as a surprise to those who have watched, dismayed, as
military paranoia and deceit have grown by bounds in recent years.
o it is chilling enough to learn that Military Intelligence hired
  notorious double murderer Ferdi Barnard to head a covert unit that would
  use prostitutes, homosexuals and drug dealers in a dirty-tricks
operation
  against Umkhonto we Sizwe. Is willingness to murder Barnard's key
  qualification?
o more chilling still is to discover that the operation originated with
the Chief
  of Staff Intelligence, Lieutenant-General Rudolph (Witkop) Badenhorst,
  and ended with the intervention of the Minister of Defence himself.
o But it is most chilling of all to realize that this operation began only
  last year, in the midst of what is supposedly a time of reconciliation,
  and that there are hundreds of MI files that have yet to be examined and
  which may offer proof of other indefensibile activities.

Can it be that we are about to find out more about the sinister Third
Force -- or at least one limb of it?

Blind Eye

Judge Goldstone's investigation has raisde appalling questions. Did the
State President and his Cabinet know nothing of this plot? Does their
fiefdom hold so little sway that they cannot deliver on their promises
of good government and good faith in negotiation? Have they lost control
of their own security forces? Or are they simply still turning a blind
eye?

We do not know the answers yet. Nor are we so naive as to imagine that the
SADF has a monopoly on dirty tricks.

What we do know is that President de Klerk dare not turn down the
Goldstone Commission's recommendation that it be authorized to
investigate,
as a matter of urgency, all formal and informal security forces in South
Africa, including certain private "security firms". The country could not
withstand another cover-up; neither could De Klerk's own reputation.

A boil has been lanced and the ugly truth is beginning to come out. We
can only hope it comes out fast enough to stem the violence and anarchy
that is engulfing the country.
--
Philip Machanick
Computer Science Dept, Univ of the Witwatersrand, 2050 Wits, South Africa
philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za  phone: 27 (11) 716-3759  fax: 339-7965
From: 8934959@sunvax.sun.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Kou-wa-banga Afrikana! (was Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT)
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:23:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: sunvax.1992Nov19.112338.5645
Organization: University of Stellenbosch

In article <1992Nov18.201333.5643@sunvax.sun.ac.za>, 9027882@sunvax.sun.ac.za writes:
> Riel Smit skryf:
>> [...]
>> van maatskaplike dienste, of wat dit ook al mag wees in Afrikaans.  (En
>> askies vir die swak maniere om kommentaar te lewer op jou taalgebruik, maar 
>> dis nie aldag dat 'n mens 'n goeie verskoning het om in Afrikaans op die 
>> net te pos nie :-)
> 
> Ek weet dat Engels die Usenet taal is, maar aangesien hierdie 'n
> soc.* groep is, dink ek dis geregverdig om in 'n "soc.african" taal
> te skryf.  Wat is die gevoel van andere?
> 
> Een skrywer het voorheen opgemerk dat daar skaars Afrikaansprekendes
> is wat hierdie groep lees.  Dis miskien die geval by die betrokke
> skrywer se universiteit, wat UCT was.  Daar is heel party studente
> (en andere) hier by die Univ. van Stellenbosch wat die nuusgroepe
> lees.  Die afwesigheid van artikels van hierdie mense in hierdie
> nuusgroep is heel moontlik te wyte aan die negatiewe draad en
> katterigheid wat waarneembaar is.
> 
> Nou het elke afrikaansprekende 'n verskoning om hier te pos; om
> vir andere te wys dat ons nie 'n swartgallig klomp brompotte is,
> wat heeldag die finger in die lug rond swaai nie.  Ons is vrolike
> mense, met interresante belangstellings.
> 
> Groete,
> Johan Ferreira
> (ferr@cs.sun.ac.za)

Give us a break guys.
The newsgroup is soc.culture.AFRICAN not South African. Afrikaans isn't even
the language spoken by the majority of South Africans.

By posting in Afrikaans, you immediately shut out most of the readers, so your
comment saying that Afrikaans speakers have an excuse to post here so that they
can show others that you are pleasant,interesting people is invalid.
Who are you going to show? Other Afrikaans speakers - no one else.

If your argument is applied the group will be filled with dozens of African
languages that no one but the writers and a select few will understand.

Afikaans speakers should post by all means, but do so in a language that we can
all understand and thus you can get your point accross - otherwise you'll just
be wasting your time.

(Read Phoka's comments on this)


James Micklem
Stellenbosch University
micklem@cs.sun.ac.za
     
      -I am a conscientous man, when I throw rocks at seabirds
          I leave no tern unstoned.
             --Ogden Nash--
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: demoz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (demoz belay)
Subject: Re: Ethiopia /non racist Italians, a joke!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:34:50 GMT

mafewor@erenj.bitnet (MOBAE) writes:

>In article <19037.2b0538af@ecs.umass.edu>, kijak@ecs.umass.edu wrote:
>> 
>> In article <2844.2B014C36@catpe.alt.za>, Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes) writes:
>> > On <09 Nov 1992 20:53> kijak@ecs.umass.edu (5:7104/2) said to All :
>> > 

*******  STUFF DELETED***********
>> > Thanks very much for a very interesting posting. 
>> > 
>> > I recently met Dr Solomon Inquai, who is in South Africa as a consultant to 
>> > the Southern African Institute for Distance Education. He was born in Eritrea, 
>> > and said that he remembered the Italian colonists from his childhood. He said 
>> > that they were not Fascists, and that they did not consider themselves 
>> > the local people. It was only the top government officials who were Fascists. 
***********      STUFF DELETED *********************

>In my earlier posting titled "Ethiopia/Colonialism/civil war" I said that
>colonialists came to Eritrea in all colors. It doesn't make sense to me at
>all to say that the Italians were not Fascists. It is true that Asmara (the
>capital of Eritrea) was segregated into zones. Eritreans were not allowed
>to
>go into the downtown area, at all. Sure, the Italians built roads,
>railraods,
>cinemas....But anybody who thinks they did this to be "nice" to the
>Eritreans
>is at best naive; otherwise they are distorting the truth.

>None of the colonizers: Egyptians, Turkish, Italians, Ethiopians helped the
>Eritrean people. Instead, they all made life harsh and very intolerable
>making
>Eritreans to be very determined people to get their INDEPENDENCE, at all
>cost.
>After more than 300(yes, 300)-years of colonization by different powers it
>seems like soon Eritreans will have a say in their destiny.

>Mobae
>______
>Opinions expressed above are mine, not of any party nor any organization.
>_____

Thanks Mobae! 
I  would like to let you know that your opinions are correct.  Any one
who believes the Italians were not Facists is far from the truth.

Mobae, could you post references for the "300 years" of colonalization
you mentioned.  you could send it to my e-mail

Thanks in advance. Keep up the good work in educating us.

FREE AT LAST       FREE AT LAST!                    


BBD

_
From: ccsmcs@cd4380.ufh.ac.za (Mark Stobbs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Scandal(s) of the day
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:41:16 GMT
Organization: University of Fort Hare, Alice, Ciskei

In <1992Nov16.085557.7143@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet) writes:

>"I am flexible on details but I will not say 'yes' to a winner-takes-all
>constitution.

>"The new constitution must effectively prevent an Adolf Hitler or Idi
>Amin from gaining power in South Africa."

Or a Verwoed, Vorster, Botha, de Klerk

>-- 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Heidi de Wet                                 >>>  FREE  TSAFENDAS  <<<
>heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za                       and give him back his job
-- 
                _________________________________________
               |  Mark Stobbs    ccsmcs@cd4380.ufh.ac.za |
               |          Computer Centre                |
               |  University of Fort Hare, South Africa  |
From: gds@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (Riel Smit)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT
Date: 17 Nov 92 07:35:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: casper.BxunrF.Au5
Reply-To: gds@cs.uct.ac.za
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town

9027882@sunvax.sun.ac.za writes:
>                     vryheid (freedom)
>                   + samesyn (peace)
>                   ---------
>                   voorspoed (welfare)
>                   =========

Ag nee man, hoe kan jy nou s^e samesyn = peace? :-)  Alhoewel ek moet erken,
"togetherness" is darem baie meer 'n warm-gevoel-om-die-hart woord as
samesyn. :-) Enige ander voorstel? :-)  O, en "prosperity" is miskien 'n 
beter vertaling van voorspoed.  "Welfare" het ongelukkig ook die konnotasie 
van maatskaplike dienste, of wat dit ook al mag wees in Afrikaans.  (En
askies vir die swak maniere om kommentaar te lewer op jou taalgebruik, maar 
dis nie aldag dat 'n mens 'n goeie verskoning het om in Afrikaans op die 
net te pos nie :-)
-- 
Riel Smit,  Computer Science                              gds@cs.uct.ac.za
University of Cape Town                      gds%cs.uct.ac.za@rain.psg.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: hardy@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Hardy Hulley)
Subject: Re: Kou-wa-banga Afrikana! (was Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 21:04:50 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

mukasa@panix.com (Michael Mukasa) writes:
: A small note on posting in Afrikkans.
: if I came from a culture that esposed laws that had been condemed by the
: world and had the blood of tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives on
: its hands, I would not be raising my head in pride.  Since most of the
: people who READ and not necessarily POST here  are probably Africans who
: identify and empathise with the oppressed majority in South Africa, I
: would suggest you help the healing process by refraining from angering
: readers on this net.
: 
: Kiggundu.

If Afrikaans articles piss you off, don't read them. There is no reason for any
Afrikaans-speaker to be ashamed of his or her language, and I can see no reason
why Afrikaans-speakers shouldn't use their language on the net. "Empathising
with the oppressed majority" and "helping the healing process" is just
patronizing drivel.

Hardy      



: 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kpoewe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Karla Poewe)
Subject: SOAS
Summary:  FAX number neede
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 04:57:48 GMT
Distribution: britain
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

I need to contact David M. Anderson, book review editor of the
Journal of African History at SOAS.  Has anyone a FAX number for
either the journal or SOAS.  Thanks.

Irving Hexham
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Absence of black posters from SA
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:04:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov14.175321.12944@panix.com> lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
>In <9597@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>I wonder if you consider Simon Tseko Nkoli an "African."  He's a
>larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 

	If you had been here earlier when we explained the occurence of homose
xuals in highly westernised African countries, you would not have made this redundant statement.

makala


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Positive aspects of culture (was Re: GAY AFRICANS AGAIN PAUL)
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:23:15 GMT

In article <10033@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.102445.164@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet) writes:
> >
>>and the industrial revolution.  There are negative aspects of indigenous 
>>African culture - superstition, oppression of women - which have 
>>certainly been part of Western culture but are slowly being eradicated 
>>with better education and other benefits of the industrial revolution.
>
>I don't think superstition is an entirely African thing. For one thing 
>fortune telling is a big buisness here and so too is the belief in an
>unseen god.

Ron Ray-gun based the entire 8 years of his presidency on sorcery...He did't
even pretend that he could trust the powers of his brains. This is well
documented, BTW.






"I will fight for free elections 'ntill I win".....Jonas Savimbi.
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