From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Good Quote
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:38:30 GMT




mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:



>And who are these white people working their asses off to help solve the
>problem?  Where are all these people that are supposedly helping me 
>have an easier life in Amerikkka?  And what the fuck are _YOU_ doing
>about the problem, besides putting "blah blah blah", "waaaaaaahh", and
>weird faces on people's postings whose opinions contradict yours?



>Okay, smart motherfucker, here you go:

>1. Whenever I walk in a department store I get followed around because they
>   automatically assume I'm going to steal something.


That is because in 1991, 70 percent of department store shoplifters
were minorities. If the crow has been in the corn field ruining the
crops, then you watch the crows when they come to roost, and not
the Blue Jays. This is not racist propaganda either. No one wants
anybody to be a shoplifter, it is just the statistics. Wait till I
give you the violent crime statistics for 1991!



>2. I get harassed by police because I'm hangin on the street corner with
>   my friends.

On Dawson street here in Wilmington a white person can not even ride
by in a car because the "I'm hangin' on the street corner with my
friends crowd" likes to throw bottles at people's cars who are not
the same colour as they are. (The last lady has had to have plastic
surgery, all because she is white and had to pass through Dawson St.).



>3. I get denied a job not because I don't have the qualifications, but because
>   I am black.


It was probably because of your racist, Bigoted, pro_BLACK_anti_white
attitude. I would not hire you either.


>4. White people will walk across the street to avoid me.


In 1991 75 percent of all VIOLENT crimes (crimes classified as violent
are, for example, assault, rape, muggings, etc) were commited by 
minorities. The problem is, now Black people walk across the street
to avoid each other too. Can't even trust your own brother anymore.
And the white kids are becoming more violent too. I do not want to
get ugly, but my point is that this has ALL GONE TOO FAR. We will
have to trust each other, and I agree with you that it hurts to have
someone walk across the street to avoid you, but put yourself in the
other persons shoes: they are afraid for their life. And the truck 
driver in L.A. who was dragged from his truck and nearly beaten to death
because he was white will neve be the same. Luckily, a Black minister
saved him from the racist bullshit of his brothers. SILLY BIGOT SISTAH
says "yea, they were wise".



>5. When I worked at the student newspaper when I first entered college, I was
>   continually tossed racial innuendo and was passed up for advancement.

So was my sister, xcept it was sexual. She is now in her last year of
law school. Women have been oppressed too. Now six congressional seats
are going to be filed by women in the next election.

Plus, in your example, I need to know WHAT THE RACIAL INNUENDO WAS.
And were you passed up for a promotion that you were the most
qualified person for? Or was all of this a figtree of your imagination.



>6. I walk into a restaurant and I'm asked to remove my cap while an entire
>   baseball team is in the same area, caps on and nobody notices.


Did you ask the hostess/host/whomever why you were asked to remove
your cap while the uniformed team was allowed the priviledge?
I am sure there is a law in that very restaurant that says BLACK
PEOPLE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO WEAR CAPS UNLESS THEY ARE ON A BASEBALL
TEAM. (sniff).




>7. I'm treated rudely by various customer service personnel, while non-colored
>   persons behind me get treated normally, if not like kings.



You are trying desperately to fill up 25 spaces. Please be specific.
These are stereotypical GENERALITIES and not specific events.
They may even be fig trees (of your imagination).





>8. I don't even have to mention the number of times I've been called "Nigger."



Then don't. I won't mention the many times I am called names either.



>9. I don't even have to mention the number of times I've been the brunt of
>   so-called "racial jokes".



If this is all you have to offer as an argument then I will abort
the discussion.



>10.I don't even have to mention the number of times I've just gone upto
>a person to ask them the _fucking_ _time_ and they cringe away from me 
>like I'm gonna rob 'em.



See numbers 2, 3, and 4.




>11.  Oh, how about the time a Korean grocer pointed a gun at my head because
>     I was in the store too long.


The manager of the  FAST FARE  made me leave the store when I was ten
years old because I was in there too long too. It broke my heart. I
had never stolen anything in my life.


>12.  Of course, there's the Rodney King travesty.



Yea, it's a real travesty, by the way, the man that filmed that was
white. If it were not for that one white man, no-one would have
known the truth about the beating. Rodney King, however needs discipline
in my opinion, from his parents or whomever brought him up. I say this
because he thinks he can do whatever he wants to do without consequence.
He was just arrested the other day for driving drunk. That discusts me.
And to think that I took up for him for so long. He needs discipline.
All drunk drivers should get life in prison or a good beating.
Do you know how many children people like Rodney KILL each year?
Thousands! LAPD was still wrong at the time, but Rodney was no angel.
He is a problem. (So are the Simi Valley Bigots, I agree, since those
cops ARE jerks).



>13.  The cable company here in Minneapolis does a practice which is supposed
>     to be illegal:  it "redlines 'problem neighborhoods'" and refuses to
>     provide service to them.  Not too coincidental that these exact neighbor-
>     hoods contain more black people per square mile than any other Minneapolis
>     neighborhood.


 See number 2. Also remember that YOU said that they redline "problem"
 that's PROBLEM neighborhoods. You then pointed out that they were
 black neighborhoods. Tell them to behave, then they will not be
 identified as PROBLEM neighborhoods. They are NOT labeled problem
 neighborhoods because of their race. They are labeled, constitutionally
 based on their CRIME RATE which soars. I don't blame the company. Who
 wants the extra costs and fear that go along with entering dangerous
 crime zones. They can just clean up their act, then expect trust
 from the community.




>14.  373 years of slavery. Oh yes, slavery continues today.


Are you a slave? Only to your Black Bigotry I would say. Start working
with people instead of being so resentful. I do not know ANYONE who
owns a slave. That is Black Bigot Propaganda.
Also, remember that it was the tribunal wars between Black tribes in
Early Africa that supplied POW's of the era that were sold to European
traders who came to the coasts of Africa. Blacks were selling Blacks
every day. Today, in America, Blacks are killing Blacks every day.
And Silly Bigot Sistah thinks they should spread their hatred and
be equal opportunity killers.


>15.  Not just physical slavery, but economical slavery.  Neighborhoods left
>     to crumble, while certain parts of the city are cleaned twice a day.



Left to crumble? LEFT TO CRUMBLE? People could take better care of
their environment. But I also feel that you will like this next
statement. We should stop spending 3.3 Billion on Saddam (plus
Billions more in other foreign aid to him in 1990 and the Billions
that went to Russia and also to defend Europe) and spend it on America
and Education. Clinton's plan calls for these reforms. I want what is
best for EVERYONE. Stop this "us and them" shit. Blacks shouldn't have
that "us and them" shit and neither should whites. I am SICK of it.

We are Americans and we better start getting involved in the reforms
that are neccessary for:
			1.	Education
			2.  Racial Harmony
			3.  Technology
			4.  Environmental Reforms
			5.  Free market Competitiveness
			....etc.



>16.  Continual stereotyping of blacks by the media.



....for example?   I have heard many stereotypes of whites on this
newsgroup!

The media shows Marion Barry as the crack addict that he is.



>17.  White people who say black people, as well as all non-white people, are
>     the cause of all the economical problems in Amerikkka.



Yea, all three of them. Like I said, be specific. Who is white that you
know that believes this? You are trting desperately to fill up 25 spaces
and it is starting to show that you are TIRED!!




>18.  There have been many incidents of gangs of white people lynching
>     black me because they did something with a white woman.



The latest racial violence? The truck driver pulled from his cab
because he was white. Beaten nearly to death. Was he on the jury?
You, by the way, did not give a specific example. "There have been
many incidents"  ... sounds like a stereotype is about to follow....




>19.  Since when is a goddam footprint needed for a background check to
>     become a lawyer?


Is this true? So if you are Black then you MUST give me your footprint
before you can be a lawyer? Yea, right. Sounds like another 
misunderstanding blown way out of proportion to me. But I am a fair
person. I would like details. So far, all I have heard about this is:
"Black man had to give footprint before being lawyer.." no facts, 
nothing. Only hearsay, and VERY general. You are desperately trying
to fill up those 25! See how many 25 REALLY is now, but our mouth got
us into this, now didn't it.
Post the facts about this one....for now it is only filler.


>20.  How about being denied a loan for a car while the next non-black
>     person receives it right away?

Another tired old generality with no proof or specificity whatsoever.
You ARE getting closer to 25, but remember, it is QUALITY, not QUANTITY
that I am looking for.....

All of these are generalities. You have no proof,
or no CONCRETE examples, but keep reading and I will give you a 
CONCRETE example of racism and discrimination...


 How about this?
How about that? 


How about it? Who did it happen to? My mother WORKS for GMAC. Caught
your tired ass on this one. The only people they turn down for
loans for vehicles are people who's credit history AND financial
background check indicates that they would not PAY for the vehicle. 
There is no check box that says Black or White? Only when you are
trying to get a teaching job. In Florida, they called my first
cousin, who had applied everywhere for a teaching job (She has a
masters degree). They asked if she was Black and she said no.
They then said they could not hire her because they were looking for a 
Black person. 


>21.  Welfare.


Clinton will change it to Workfare. ETC. READ his platform.




>22.  I'm in a department store and I go to exchange something.  I better
>     have every receipt possible and I get sent to the customer service
>     booth because the cashier "doesn't have enough money in the register."
>     At 12:00 noon.  On a weekday.



I am sure they will do a MINISERIES about that one. My mom just went 
through the same mess at a local Department store. Change stores.



>23.  I wonder why it is that most every time a black person and a white person
>     start throwin blows, once it's cleared the white person is absolved of
>     the crime while the black person goes to jail?




Bullshit. At Williston Junior High School, Then Principal Arthalia
Williams handled a situation in a racist manner.
A young black student pushed a young white student who was walking
in the hall. He then said "You aint gonna do nothing about it because
I am Black, and Mrs. Williams will take up for me." The young white
man then pushed the other boy off of him and an fight ensued. Mrs.
Williams suspended the white student and let the black student go
back to class.
	(I asked seventy five white students if they thought she was racist 
	and sixty three said yes)

>24.  A Minneapolis police officer was given a medal of honor after shooting
>     a black suspect in the back.


	You did not seem to mention anything about the suspest except his
	colour. Is that all you noticed? Was he violent? Was his face turned
	to another cop that he was trying to kill? Was he raping someone?
	WHAT WERE THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE INCIDENT? I am not trying to
	be ugly, but you are doing a TERRIBLE job of SUPPORTING these
	claims. QUALITY not QUANTITY. Hope you didn't waste two hours on
	that one. Repost with DETAILS so we can discuss, like adults, 
	whether or not the incident involved racism. I'll wager that if
	you were in the policeman's shoes, you would have shot the violent
	criminal too. But I will give you another chance to repost these
	with details. Until then, and from now on... SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENTS.




>25.  The Minneapolis Police Dept. has long been known for having racial 
>     strife between its black and white officers.  Two white cops were 
>     suspended for passing racial death threat notes.

The ONLY one of 25 with details. So the Minneanpolis (sp?) Police
Department suspended two white cops for passing racial death threat 
notes? Good. Hope the two men never work again (until they repent).





>You one dimensional fool, look at the two words.  They have different meanings.
>Time for Reality 1101.  Prejudice means "unreasoning opinion or dislike."
>Racism means "the belief that ones race is superior; the belief that human
>abilities are determined by race."  Subtle difference, but it's there.  Too
>bad you can't tell it though.




There is a consuming overlap between racism and prejudice in the example
that we were studying. Reread Please.




>working to solve the problem, but for every white person working to solve
>the problem, THERE ARE TWO MORE WHITE PEOPLE WORKING TO CREATE/PERPETUATE
>the problem.




Uh oh.... more generalities without basis or proof. Surprised you didn't
use that one as one of your 25 winners!! HHAAAAAAhahahahahaa.
Would have made great filler! AAAAAAHHHHahahahahaha.


>  Yes I am frustrated.  Frustrated



Ought to be...




>that there are millions of people who think just like you, and consider
>themselves "non-racist".  You know, I'd rather be talkin to somebody from
>the fuckin Klan, at least I know his agenda.  People like you, whose
>agendae is totally unclear, just make things worse off.


Maybe you should join. You seem to think like they do.

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