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From: bash@tware.com (Paul Bash)
Subject: Re: Blood Pressure, Pulse, and running
Organization: Techware Design, Boulder, Colorado.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:28:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.231448.14729@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton) writes:
>In article <2245@bigfoot.first.gmd.de> wolf@prosun.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang  
>Koehler) writes:
>> Of course, resting pulses of 70 to 80 are normal but not for runners 
>> with good shape. (My resting pulse is about 40.) 
>> 
>> wolf
>
>This reminded me of a question I meant to post: My resting pulse rate
>is also in the low 40's (clocked as low as 39 but normally around 44).
>However, I regularly get irregularities in the beat, but only when it
>is beating slow. These irregularities are like an extra beat or a
>beat that is way out of time. Happens once or twice in 5 minuites
>a couple of times an hour but only sometimes (usually notice it
>in the evenings). I avoid caffeine which I have noticed makes 
>this effect worse. The more I run, the slower my heart beat gets
>and the more I notice this effect. Anyone have any comments?
>(don't suggest I quit running :)
>
>Dave.


I was told by a doctor once that irregularities like you describe 
happening up to 8 times a minute could be considered normal. If you are
really concerned, you should just ask your doctor. 

-- 
Paul Bash                                                   Techware Design 
bash@tware.com                                              Boulder, CO  U.S.A.
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Impact absorption
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:47:27 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

Someone recently mentioned a "league table" of which shoes are
most absorbing. Could you (or someone else) post it?

Thanks in advance,

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-Jeremy Henderson            |  Une souris verte
 egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk	     |  Qui courrait dans l'herbe
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From: mock@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Kenrick Mock)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Training at altitude : advice wanted
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:33:25 GMT
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical Engineering

In some article reider@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Marc Reider) writes:
>
>  After 10 years of running at sea level, a new job is sending me up
>to Los Alamos and 7500 ft of altitude for my training.  I figure its a

Great!  I too was sent to Los Alamos after years of running in the
flatlands.

>
>  - How long will it take until I can run my regular workouts without
>feeling like dying ?

I was running about 40 miles a week before I moved to Los Alamos
(actually to White Rock, which is a good 1000 feet lower than Los
Alamos) and my first week was really hard.  After about 2 weeks I
started to feel better, and I think I was pretty much back to my
normal exertion level within a month.

>
>  - How long until I can race at altitude ?
>

I did a race about a month and a half after I moved, and I was really
feeling it towards the end :)  However, one must also take into
account that I'd been running fewer miles due to the increased
altitude...in a shorter race a month later I felt pretty good.  BTW,
as you might imagine there is not a plethora of races to choose from
in Los Alamos, as it's quite isolated from the rest of the world.
There's a running club there, and there's a big race in the
summertime.  I remember Frank Shorter came once, gave a talk and ran
the 5K.

>  -  Do I need to do anything special when going back to sea level for a
>race ?

Just run, you should feel good after running all those mountains in LA
:)

>is highly welcome.  I am looking forward to the first day that I get up
>the guts to head to the sand dunes for a workout. 

Not many sand dunes out in Los Alamos, there's some beautiful forest
there.  Some nice trails (hilly!) out near the ski lift starting near the
weight/exercise building.  If you are out in the White Rock area,
the terrain is a bit different, but nonetheless amazingly scenic.  I
don't know of any other place where one can run amid beautiful trees,
a myriad of rock formations, and at the same time see ancient Indian
petroglyphs and bits of 500 yeard old pottery scattered amidst the
trails.

Enjoy...
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Re: Figuring out distances (et al)
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:08:00 GMT

miked@col.hp.com (Mike Dotseth) writes:

>>>     o  One thing that mystifies me is how, in the absence of mileage
>>>        signs, you figure out how far you have run.  Do you start with
>>
>>0. Grab can of bright red spray paint.
>>1. <more schmuckishness deleted (hi, Jim)>

with a name like smuckish, it's gotta be good!

>   Gloss over the last reply, unless you're good friends with all the cops or
>you have one and only one run you'll ever put your feet to.

Sorry, Mike, I didn't think about the cops. Last time I did this here in our
little town of Athens, I went out between two cars in line at a red light to
paint one of my lines. There was a cop stopped there, and I just waved...

...might be different in other towns. But I have several routes marked all
over town. I am totally unable to figure out what pace I'm at (i'm a novice,
and need visual aids!)

just one more mile,
jim p.

-- 
Jim Puckett    NTI    puckett@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov     
Huntsville,AL (205)461-4922  
This life is a test. It is only a test. If it had been a real life, you 
would have been given instructions....
From: noamb@juggle.gg.caltech.edu (Noam Bernstein)
Subject: Re: BORON sparred kites.
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: all
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:56:36 GMT

I know that top of the line badminton raquets are made of some sort of
boron composite.  Somewhat lower quality ones are made of graphite.  It
wouldn't surprise me if kite-flyers are starting to use the same technology.
The prices tend to be about 50-100% higher (for the boron raquets)

						Noam
						noamb@gg.caltech.edu
From: allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards) 
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: RE: SPIDER WING KITES
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:22:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193
Reply-To: allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards) 

Well this is great 2 answers in one day!  Thanks for your reply
about the Spider Wing III,  one other liked the Spider Wing I as
well as the II.  I wonder if anyone out there could let us know
how the IV is and how it is to change sails.

I just figured out tonight that if I make a little adjustment
the kite is much more responsive.  I also just got a new kite, a
Skyburner, so I think I will give the Spider Wing to my son, maybe
I will get another one so we can fly together as well and maybe
some other sails for the variety.

Thanks again and cheers :^)

Allen
From: Frank@mindlink.bc.ca (Frank I. Reiter)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: SPIDER WING KITES
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:20:22 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Brian Dockter writes:
> 
> I was once told by someone (actually it was a salesman from another
> kite store in Lincoln City when I was debating between one of their
> kites or walking the two blocks down the street to CTW and buying
> a Spider Wing #1 :-) that in principle it was a great idea, but in
> practice, changing the sails was not as easy as one would hope.

I can manage it in about 10 minutes (and I've only done it a few times) so I'd
say it's neither particularly inconvenient nor particularly inconvenient.
There was certainly nothing complicated about it.

Frank.
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Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie)
Subject: Re: Power Kiting/Man Lifting
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:08:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.171153.9018@mprgate.mpr.ca> brace@OO (Jeff Brace) writes:
>The "Pilot" was tethered to a 20ft pole with a 50ft rope. For lift they
>were using ten 10ft Flexis.
Hmm...

Would you care to explain how they managed to make this safe?

If teathered, I'd expect a stack of 10 10' flexies to be capable of
breaking a pair of 1500 lb lines.  3000lb lines should be OK, but I wouldn't
like to risk my *life* on the fact that the whole of the rig was capable of 
withstanding that.  If anything breaks under that sort of tension, the guy
in the middle is in *serious* trouble.

(On the other hand, I'd willingly fly 10x10's unteathered in a reasonable
breeze)

Andrew
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: brian@nds.com (Brian Dockter)
Subject: Re: SPIDER WING KITES
Organization: Northwest Digital Systems
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 03:23:08 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards) writes:
: I have several kites by now but am interested in adding sails to my
: Spider Wing Kite from Catch the Wind in Oregon.  I have a #2 sail and
: have nice replies form some of you kind folks that the #1 sail is great
: in light wind and that the #3 sail is also enjoyable.  Does anyone
: have experience with the #4 sail?  Has anyone actually bought
: multiple sails and changed them?  Is this a satisfactory solution
: to getting more value or should one just go ahead and get the
: new frame as well.

I was once told by someone (actually it was a salesman from another
kite store in Lincoln City when I was debating between one of their
kites or walking the two blocks down the street to CTW and buying
a Spider Wing #1 :-) that in principle it was a great idea, but in
practice, changing the sails was not as easy as one would hope.

When I was down there in June '91, they had extra sails available
for 1/2 price.  These were close outs of the previous years models.
Might be useful for the patient (or cheap :-).

Brian

(P.S. Did anyone really follow that first sentence? :-)
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Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: 3-D flying: HUH?
From: guip@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:46:23 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

OK OK OK


What is 3-D flying?  Is it flying your kite out of the spherical lune defined
by your kite line length?   Or is it something that people with REV's do--i.e.
the ability to fly 'backwards?'

BTW, my birthday is comming up, who wants to subscribe me to SKQ or AK?  ;-)

Thanks....
paul
From: dcommins@hayes.com
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Logo
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:56:23 EDT
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

In article <67501@hydra.gatech.EDU>, sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P) writes:
> Dave has a good idea here. Meaning a logo of some type for us 
> rec.kites types. It should incorporate a computer of some type,
> or maybe a floopy disk, and a kite. How about a delta on
> a background of a 5 1/4" floppy? And make it colorful.
> 
> If nobody volunteers to do the design, then maybe some entrepeneurial
> type will take it on themselves to design and produce the pin 
> individually. If so, let us know. (Yeah, I collect a little bit
> and have my custom pins also so I know about the expense and time it
> take, about 2 months min.)

Stephen (et. al),

I would be happy to design (or help design) a logo. I have used my Mac to
design a couple of kites and I also have lots of experience designing icons
(in color) for various projects. As I see it, a Mac icon would be similar to
what a pin would look like. Give me a few days and I'll post something in
GIF format.

------
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Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc.                AppleLink: D1958
P.O. Box 105203                                   CIS: 76067,2327
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404-840-9200



Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: brace@OO (Jeff Brace)
Subject: Re: Power Kiting/Man Lifting
Organization: O
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:08:47 GMT


In article <BtJuAv.1An@ibmpcug.co.uk> gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie) writes:
>
>Would you care to explain how they managed to make this safe?>
>
>If teathered, I'd expect a stack of 10 10' flexies to be capable of
>breaking a pair of 1500 lb lines.  3000lb lines should be OK, but I wouldn't
>like to risk my *life* on the fact that the whole of the rig was capable of 
>withstanding that.  If anything breaks under that sort of tension, the guy
>in the middle is in *serious* trouble.
>
>(On the other hand, I'd willingly fly 10x10's unteathered in a reasonable
>breeze)
>
>Andrew

Just to follow up on my original post: The people from the AKA said that this was
the safest method for man lifting that they had seen. 

The Pilot wore a helmet.

The kite control lines were 2,000 lb test.

There was a secondary tethering line.

A ground crew of ten.

Normally they would only use eight Flexies, but due to light winds (~10mph)
they were using ten flexies.

On the first lift they started with a short tether rope and work up to the
longer rope.

Jeff Brace
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael James Gebis)
Subject: BORON sparred kites.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:53:33 GMT

I've heard that people have upgraded their kites to boron frames.  This
is just rumor, however, as I've never seen this in print or seen anyone
who has done this.
Does such a thing exist?  Does it cost as much as one might expect?  Do
any competetive fliers use these?
(No, I'm not planning on upgrading my frame to boron, but just want to
know if this is true.)_


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Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: e_splett@kaofs.enet.dec.com (Evan Splett)
Subject: Lenkdrachen zum Nachbauen
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:58:33 GMT


I just ran across a reference to a book titled: 

Lenkdrachen zum Nachbauen, by Thomas Erfruth and Harald Schlitzer,
Englisch Verlag 1989. 

Apparently it contains construction plans. Has anyone read it ?

    Evan.

Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: e_splett@trofs.enet.dec.com (Evan Splett)
Subject: Wind Shot Stunter
Organisation: Digital Equipment of Canada - Ottawa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 26 AUG 92 15:38:47 EST


Has anyone made the Wind Shot stunt kite ?
Plans for it were published in Kite Lines, Spring 1991 (Vol. 8, No. 3) .

    Evan.
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: strick@mamura.ee.mu.oz.au (Larry Strickland)
Subject: Re: Power Kiting/Man Lifting
Organization: Electrical and Electronic - University of Melbourne 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:50:28 GMT

In article <66878@hydra.gatech.EDU> sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P) writes:
>In article <10376@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Pat Prosser) writes:
>>On "teathering" a kite. 
>>
From The Macquarie Dictionary:

tether n. 1. a rope, chain, or the like, by which an animal is fastened, as to
a stake, so that its range of movement is limited.

Tether is the noun, but the dictionary says nothing about the above verb.

Cheers Larry.
From: daves@cv.hp.com (Dave Serisky)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: SPIDER WING KITES
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:57:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvusn.1992Sep2.165701.25156
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA

In article <197.1615.uupcb@spacebbs.com>, allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards)  writes:
|> I have several kites by now but am interested in adding sails to my
|> Spider Wing Kite from Catch the Wind in Oregon.  I have a #2 sail and
|> have nice replies form some of you kind folks that the #1 sail is great
|> in light wind and that the #3 sail is also enjoyable.  Does anyone
|> have experience with the #4 sail?  Has anyone actually bought
|> multiple sails and changed them?  Is this a satisfactory solution
|> to getting more value or should one just go ahead and get the
|> new frame as well.
|> 
|> Thanks in advance for the response and thanks to the 3 of you who
|> responded about the #1 and #3 sails.

I got my spider wing when it was on sale a year or two ago and got an
extra sail.  One thing to be aware of is that they recently re-designed
the kite and the old spiderwing sails and parts are not compatible with
the new 'wing (mine is the old kite).  They also got rid of all the
bright colours and switched to dull oranges, reds, and purples.

Changing the sail is pretty easy.  It is just inconvenient enough though
that if you are going to be changing it on the field, you will probably
think again (each time you do it) about buying a second frame.  If you
are looking at it as a $$ issue and want to get what is supposed to be 4
kites for the price of 2.5 (they have a delux pack which includes the
upgrade for $259.99) it might be a good deal.  But if you want to get
multiple kits for different conditions, I would probably look at other
kites in the $99 dollar range before I sunk my money into 4 spiderwings.

-- 
-- Dave Serisky
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Kite Tail Tales (Was: Re: Kite Tails)
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:47:30 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <DAVE.92Sep4191320@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp> dave@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele) writes:
>cups with the bottoms cut out.  Apparently this has more lift than
>streamers, while providing the same directional stability.  Has anybody
>out there tried this?
>
Actually this produces drag and uses the same principal as a drouge.

Used drouges plenty of times, but not the cups. Can't see why it wouldn't
work, but it may over load the kite with drag and weight if the "tail"
is to long.

Hey, anybody remeber the cup kite where you cut styrofoam cups in half
and then put them on a frame, curved side down, and it would fly?



-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Power Kiting/Man Lifting
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:50:03 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <BtJuAv.1An@ibmpcug.co.uk> gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.171153.9018@mprgate.mpr.ca> brace@OO (Jeff Brace) writes:
>>The "Pilot" was tethered to a 20ft pole with a 50ft rope. For lift they
>>were using ten 10ft Flexis.
>Hmm...
>
>Would you care to explain how they managed to make this safe?
>
>If teathered, I'd expect a stack of 10 10' flexies to be capable of
>breaking a pair of 1500 lb lines.  3000lb lines should be OK, but I wouldn't
>like to risk my *life* on the fact that the whole of the rig was capable of 
>withstanding that.  If anything breaks under that sort of tension, the guy
>in the middle is in *serious* trouble.

Well *somebody* seems to think they've got methods to make it safe.  Along
the same lines, isn't George Baskette's NitroFly system a 12-ply 10' stack?
One might argue that based on Dean Jordan's injury that system isn't
safe, but on the other hand that was pure operator error and misjudgement,
not to mention sheer stupidity (for wearing a helmet too large to sit snugly
on his head).

Didn't the American Kite article (which I've read but don't have a copy of
to check) mention that the power kiter in question uses 10,000# Spectra
in huge stacks of Hawaiians?  Apparently he tests his equipment by attaching
it to a 1400 pound weight and then dropping the weight.  Interesting test, but
one wonders if it decreases the ability of the component to hold up under
stress...


Oh, for Simo, 'tethered' is pretty much a synonym for anchored; it refers
to being attached to the ground.

Jeff
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Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Subject: Re: Power Kiting/Man Lifting
Organisation: STACK Finland
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 14:49:21 GMT

In <66878@hydra.gatech.EDU> sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P) writes:

>In article <10376@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Pat Prosser) writes:
>>On "teathering" a kite. 
>>
>Hey guys, it means that you have a rope or something tied/secured to the
>ground and the other end to you. Then the kite go to the harness that 
>you're wearing and that is secured to the tether. Well, you get the
>picture.

>PS: So what if people can't spell. Neither can Dan Quayle (?)
>    (How does he spell his name...As if I care)
>
Honestly, I did not know the meaning of the "tethered" with or
without the miss spelling. 

I havn't got the American Kite Power Kiting Issue yet. 
Expect there are pictures about this "sport".

Smooth Winds
Simo Salanne


 
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: steveg@resntl.bhp.com.au (steve garlick)
Subject: info on kite building
Organization: BHP Research
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 03:23:00 GMT

Hello,

Can anyone recommend a book (or plans) on stunt kite design. I'd like to
try building one and could use some pointers on design.

sg
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron)
Subject: Re: Kite Tails
Followup-To: Kite Tails
Originator: kevin@dubhe
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 03:41:27 GMT



From pault Mon Aug 31 21:59:07 1992
Return-Path: <uunet!ossi!ossi.com!pault>
To: kevin@clsi.COM
Subject: Aluminum Mylar strips
Status: RO

Kevin,
(You may want to post this as my machine cannot do a posting)

	The story gets even more interesting....

The strips do very exciting things to radar systems. People like the 
air traffic controllers and Armed services get very happy when strange
blips appear on radar screens.

I know that in England it is illegal to fly "radar interfering" material.

There was this American called Ben Franklin who probably caused all the
trouble with his experiments in electricity.

Personally I would not want to try anything that is likely to attract
electricty/lightning to my kite. The recent Space shuttle had enough
problems trying to launch an electricty collector, that I just don't want
to be the sucessful candidate....

W.r.t  fires. If you are stupid enough to fly any kite near a power line
you have a death wish. I doubt if having aluminium will make any difference
when you wrap a kite around a power line..... In the 5 years I have been
in california I can't remember any fires started by kites.

wrt substitutes. How about colored plastic beads. There are several kids
necklaces, braclets, etc. that have plastic diamond shapes than reflect 
sunlight.

		

  Paul Taylor
  System Software Development,

  Open Systems Solutions Inc.
	3055 Orchard Drive
	San Jose, CA 95134-2022

	Phone: 408-456-7215 
	Fax  : 408-456-7050
	Email: pault@ossi.com
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