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From: rommel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Kai-Uwe Rommel)
Subject: Re: 8514/a and VGA (was: Re: Using Two monitors with OS/2)
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:07:02 GMT

In article <1969@acf5.NYU.EDU> checker@acf5.NYU.EDU (checker) writes:
>sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:
>
>>8514/A (1024x768 256 colors) and VGA.
>
>Is anyone out there actually using this combination?  I am planning on
>installing it and am wondering what it actually buys me.  Can both
>monitors run the WPS (like a Mac)?  If I switch to a full screen 80x25
>text screen, will it be on the 8514 or the VGA monitor?  How useful is
>this setup?  I run a VGA/MDA dual monitor configuration right now for
>debugging graphics applications and it is great.

I use a 8514/A and VGA setup and it works the same like VGA/MDA except
that you have all VGA text modes available on the debug screen. I.e. if
you run a text mode debugger on the VGA to debug a PM program, you can
set it to 50 lines.

Kai Uwe Rommel

/* Kai Uwe Rommel --- rommel@informatik.tu-muenchen.de */

DOS ... is still a real mode only non-reentrant interrupt
handler, and always will be.                -Russell Williams
From: gt1610c@prism.gatech.EDU (McGaugh)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Attention potential Beta Testers
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:36:35 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <2AC9ACD5.4323@tct.com> jim@tct.com (Jim Kunzman) writes:
>Here's a tip.  Before you start installation, verify the disks.  Yes,
>it's a pain, but not completely a waste of time since OS/2 can
>multi-task and at lease you can be doing something productive (like
>reading news!).  You can use diskcopy to read the entire disk and then
>just ctrl-c to inhibit the write phase.  Even better, create a backup
>set of disks.  Also be warned that the disks are not write protected.
>You might want to write protect your master disks before you start.

I received by beta one week ago, and I now have everything 
working after the third install.  My floppy drive also could
not read anything past track 76 on several of my disks, and
had trouble on many others.  My floppy drive could not even
diskcopy them.  If this is the case, do what I did.  Find
another machine and do it.  Fortunately for me there is a spare
PS/2 which reads the disks perfectly.  I just diskcopied each disk
to an image file, then formatted the disk, and diskcopied the
image back onto the disk.

BTW, If you do try installing and you get the 'Data Error (cyclic
redundancy check)', DO NOT hit the 'Ignore' button; the system
will hang.  Also, if you hit 'Return Error to Program', the
install program will give you an option to skip that.  NOTE,
it will skip more files that just the one that was originally
trying to be copied.

Ken.


-- 
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From: hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: GOT THE GRE AND BETA - I HAVE QUESTIONS!!!
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:33:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

sundaram@cps.msu.edu (Divya Sundaram) writes:
>Hi all,
>I got the GRE and BETA OS/2 package today. Having got this, does this mean that I cannot get the CSD? .....

What strange ideas people get :-)

Of course you can get the CSD. But it is meant to install on top of the
GA release code; install it over the beta, and you're on your own in a
potential twilight zone. If you have the OS/2 system in its own partition,
then you can re-install GA and then install the Service Pack on top of 
that.

Tom
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: cdonnell@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Chris E Donnell)
Subject: Need OS/2 beta with bug fixes and graphics engine.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: cmh
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:44:54 GMT

I am having so many problems lately with OS/2 2.0.  I suspect it has a lot to 
do with my typing svga on.  My windows doesn't work, I frequently hang the 
system by starting a dos app, etc.  If anyone in the Columbus area has the new 
version of OS/2 and if many of the bugs are fixed, please let me know if you 
can help.  My first installation disk is also messed up so I can't just reload 
OS/2.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: msmith@netcom.com (Martin P. Smith)
Subject: Re: more then 2 drives supported?
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 02:58:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: all

In article <Bv6tCw.32D@obiwan.uucp> wayne@obiwan.uucp (Wayne Willcox) writes:
>does os/2 support more then 2 drives or is that still a limit.
>  

Yes it does. I currently have three physical drives as follows. 

Seagate 65meg RLL thru adaptec controller
Plus hardcard 105 XL
Iomega Bernoulli box 90 Pro. 

Not only do they all work but they sure make the stories of OS/2 NOT liking 
weird hardware setups look pretty lame.

MArtin P. Smith
msmith@netcom.com

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: GILBERT@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Howard Gilbert)
Subject: Beta Traps 000e on ISA >16M
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 09:32:41 EDT

I have a DEC 420SX ISA machine.  With 20M the Beta fails regularly with
Trap 000e when starting new processes.  The circumvention was to remove
the extra 4M, and then the traps go away.  (To use up 16M, I suggest
running TCP/IP, the Redirector, and WIN apps).  Apparently the
"ISA greater than 16M" code is still buggy.
From: danielb@hub.parallan.com (Daniel Benefiel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Quicken for Windows & the Calculator
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:00:40 PDT
Organization: Parallan Computer, Mountain View CA

Is there any way to get the Windows calculator where Quicken can find it?

I believe the Readme just said "Quicken won't be able to find the calculator"
From: "richard hajinlian" <richard.hajinlian@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: cd rom suggestions
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:30:04 EST
Reply-To: "richard hajinlian" <richard.hajinlian@channel1.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

Anyone have any suggestion as far as wich cd rom to buy for machine?  I
have an Adaptec scsi 1542b.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

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From: ejohnson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Eric R. Johnson)
Subject: Re: Beta: winos2 3.1 install warinings
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:29:35 GMT

In article <3721@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> gregory@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Greg Wright) writes:
>
>1) I liked the winos2 3.1 so much that I deleted the original winos2
>   stuff. This is a *MISTAKE*. If you delete the original you won't be

I deleted winos2(3.0) and then installed the free TT fonts I got from
B.G. at my user's group meeting last week.  No problems here.


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From: gregory@halcyon.com (Gregory Wright)
Subject: Re: Screensavers with the beta...
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 07:25:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.235746.229382@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> etl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ERIC TODD LANDRIEU) writes:
>I have noticed under the beta that, while everything else seems faster in
>terms of graphics, screen-savers aren't.  Running Deskpic, I find some of the
>savers VERY much slower(specifically: Fireworks and the Spacewarp(or
>whatever), but Eyes and Kaleidascope are also noticeable).  And the Win31
>screensavers which come with the beta are very slow as well(much slower than
>they should be).  Any ideas?
>                               Eric Landrieu
>
>                               
>-- 
>
>               ===============================================
>               =   Eric Landrieu  =  ETL0@ns1.CC.lehigh.EDU  =
>               ===============================================
>"I'd be apathetic, but I don't really care about it.

  I don't have any problems with Deskpic. In fact, all my screen savers
now work where I used to have problems with a few of them. I have not tried
the win31 screensavers  yet but I won't be suprised if this is the case.

-- 
 ________Greg Wright____________   "Sure my YMP is fast, but if it doesn't
|  gregory@bcstec.boeing.com    |   run OS2 I don't need it....."
|     gregory@halcyon.com       |                             
|____uunet!bcstec!gregory_______|               NOT A BOEING SPOKESPERSON.
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From: grichard@dragon.cis.ohio-state.edu (Golden Richard III)
Subject: Re: The "Red Books"
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:27:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.220141.3881@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> reisert@sttng.mlo.dec.com (Jim Reisert) writes:
>
>Don't buy them - FTP them!  They're on ftp-os2.nmsu.edu somewhere,
>probably /pub/os2/2.0/info or somesuch thing like that.
>
>- Jim
>
>--
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>Digital Equipment Corp.         UUCP:      ...decwrl!sttng.enet!reisert
>146 Main Street	- MLO5-2/18B	Voice:     508-493-5747
>Maynard, MA  01754		FAX:       508-493-1890
>


If you decide you want a hardcopy, though, you might want to strip the
"map" cover page.  It's a nice picture, but contributes about 1/16 of the
total volume of postscript [16meg total for volume 1].   Ouch.


--Golden
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grichard@cis.ohio-state.edu                                   (614) 292-0056
From: benezra_a@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Redbooks on watson.
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:41:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1992Oct6.200155.16205@access.usask.ca>, Lowey@Sask.USask.CA writes:
> From article <1app1sINNb5c@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, by stacyl@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Stacy Brad Lacy):
>> 
>> I noticed today that the redbooks are available on watson and hobbes.  

Where exactly? thanks,
ab
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: IBM & Beta bug reports....
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:39:35 GMT

In article <5263@sumax.seattleu.edu> kwoelfel@sumax.seattleu.edu (Kimball Woelfel) writes:
> When I install my the new os/2 beta (winos2, 32 bit...) after I do the first five disks (not counting the install disk) and it reboots the system to continue, I get a cannot find errors on the following files:
> OS2DASD.DMD
> OS2SCSI.DMD
> \OS2\SYSTEM\COUNTRY.SYS 
> But those files are in the approriate directorys, the first 3 in the os2 directory, which is in the path, and the other one is that directory.  I do have 2 hard drives and tried rem(ing) out the top 3 and putting a c: in front of the bottom one, but it still couldn't find it.
> can someone tell me why it's not finding these files but finding others?  

Did you reformat before installing the beta?

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From: ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca (ochealth)
Subject: Re: Some OS/2 News I read ...
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:24:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.104201.11270@waikato.ac.nz> hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>
>Haven't seen anything on NOVDEV about this. And I guess the NSD (netware
>Service Diskette) for OS/2 2.0 was a figment of my imagination too. Lets face
>it. Novell will sleep with anyone for money, and I can't see them dumping OS/2
>now.
>

I uploaded the NSD onto ftp-os2.nmsu.edu. It should be in /pub/uploads until
it gets moved.


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                            Happily using OS/2 2.0 because MS Windows isNT ___
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From: "richard hajinlian" <richard.hajinlian@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: tape back up low $$$
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:30:58 EST
Reply-To: "richard hajinlian" <richard.hajinlian@channel1.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

looking for a tape backup system for my system.  I was looking for the
following criteria.

1.)  250m or better
2.)  Work with OS/2 2.0
3.)  Work with Linux (just in case I run it)
4.)  Under $400.00 (including software)

I was looking at the Irwin 250 system.  It comes with "free" Windows
software but the OS/2 PM version you must order for around $200.00???

Well welcome to the OS/2 bandwagon.

Thanks for your replies.
Rich
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Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA
From: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Beta OS/2
Date: 3 Oct 92 07:18:25 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

I finally got OS/2 beta with the 32-bit GRE and Win3.1 support installed.  I
am simply amazed!  It works so well I cannot believe it.  Win3.1 support is
just about perfect.  The system seems pretty stable, as long you you don't
do a few things.  The thing that I am most surprised about is the fact that
the PC Speaker sound driver works undir WinOS231.  I did not expect this since
the only thing this PC has been able to do since installing OS/2 is beep and
boop.

The only problems I've found are:  Trying to do anything while accessing the
floppy drives seems to cause a Trap 0002 error.  This happened three times
so far.  Never otherwise.  Also, it is difficult to make Windows programs
use WinOS231 instead of the old one and have it stick.  Sometimes I have
to go to the WinOS2 Settings 2 or three times and select 3.1.  These are
the only things I've found so far, in my minimal testing of the beta.

As far as speed goes, WinoS231 is plainly faster than WinOS2...so I deleted
winos2 from my boot drive never to be reinstalled ( :) <-- BIG smiley!).  I
can't tell any real difference between the graphics speed though...could be
faster I guess, but I don't know.  I have an Orchid PDIIs/EISA.  One thing
I don't like about the new display drivers is that they took out the DOS Window
font/OS/2 Windows font that I used to use.  I used to use 10x6 (I think), and
there is stall A 10x6, but THE 10x6 is gone and I liked the old one ALOT 
better.  This one is sort of squshed and hard to read.  I guess it doesn't
matter though since this is only 640x480.  Once those clowns get their act
together and SHIP SOME GODDAM TSENG4000 SVGA DRIVERS it shouldn't be a
problem.

Questions:  Do I need to install any of the patches (rexx20, vsvga, commga,
hpfs, os2krnl, etc) or are the latest patches already installed?

Well, that's my report.  Questions/comments welcome.

Incidentally, during installation, on OS disk 1, the install program rep-
orted an error and told me I couldn't continue.  FDISK could not be run.
Turns out they shipped a bad IBMS506.ADD driver with the beta and I copied
it over to OS disk 1 and restarted the procedure and it worked.  Only thing
is that while it's copying files to the HD from disk 2, somehow it puts
the buggy version on the HD (it must be hidden away in disk 2 somewhere)
and you have to boot from the install disks, copy the old (from 2.0GA disks)
one into /os2 and then re-reboot to jump into the second installation phase.
Hopefully, this little hint qill help someone avoid the headache I went 
through to figure this out.  Thanks to those that helped me by replying to
my post about the problem.

Sheesh, this post got a bit long, eh?
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From: byu@white.toronto.edu (Benjamin Yu)
Subject: Re: How's it like to run OS/2 in 4M?
Organization: University of Toronto
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:57:37 GMT

First of all, thanks for all who responded to my query.

Well, I did it .. I bought the laptop.  It is a Samsung Notemaster 386sxl/25
with 4M Ram and 80M HD.  I installed the minimum of OS/2, took about 15M.
To boot OS/2 from C-A-D to WPS with a system clock, one DOS window, one OS/2
window takes about 2 minutes.  I was a bit impressed and this is just the
GA code!  Once my DOS or OS/2 windows are opened, editing while installing
applications in parallel are acceptable, with no loss of cursor, etc.  
However starting Windows is very slow and almost unusable.  

All in all, I am quite satisfied that I can even run my OS/2 applications,
but as someone mentioned before, I have to watch the number of parallel
tasks I am running!

Benjamin Yu
From: gregb@gout.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: 256 colour pictures on OS/2-desktop ???
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:06:38 GMT
Reply-To: gregb@pro-lep.cts.com
Organization: IBM, Austin
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers

In  <1992Oct2.212606.10708@muddcs.claremont.edu>  tlilley@jarthur.claremont.edu (Thomas (Ted) Lilley) writes:
>In article <sal8.45.0@po.cwru.edu> sal8@po.cwru.edu (Steve Luzynski) writes:
>> OS/2 doesn't let _anything_ change the pallette colors - including the 
>>desktop itself. Supposedly the CSD has a pallette manager that will allow 
>>the foreground program to maintain the colors it wants. Anyone else know for 
>>sure?
>
>There is a program that can change the palette colors.  It's a picture viewer
>I found on hobbes, but I don't remember the name.  It has a checkbox called
>"Direct Palette Manipulation" which lets it change the desktop palette to
>that of the picture being shown.  If you do this and close the picture viewer,
>the desktop palette matches properly to any colors that weren't proper before.
>I'm *not* advocating this as a solution, just an item of interest to let you
>know that it can be done.  So, IBM, where is it?

Unfortunately, the program (viewgif, maybe?) works great on
my tseng with the beta 256 color drivers, manipulates the
palette, etc., but doesn't work on an 8514.  No palette
manipulation.  Oh well.
__________________________________________________________
Greg Bryant                                 (512) 795-0323
Delta Music Systems                             Austin, TX
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Just consulting.   Not an employee.   Not representing IBM
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: harris@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Harris)
Subject: Re: 32 Graphics Engine Beta is here!!!
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:31:27 GMT

ifam655@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jeff Lessem) writes:

>And what is with these strange "l"'s, they look like integral signs...

The new fonts are ISO conforming.  The l's are different so that you can
now tell them apart from an uppercase i (I)
______________________________________________________________________________
     Michael Harris - harris@catt.ncsu.edu or harris@carvm3.vnet.ibm.com
 System Administrator, Computer & Technologies Theme Program, NC State Univ.
(My opinions are my own and do not represent those of NCSU or IBM Corporation)
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From: danzig@umbio.med.miami.edu (Jared Danziger)
Subject: Re: Help getting "seamless" windows (ATI VGA Wonder+)
Organization: University of Miami Medical School
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:29:00 GMT
From: june@f308.n133.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Ed June)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: DCF/2 ship date posponed to ??
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:22:40 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:133/308 - Information Overloa, Riverdale GA

On <Oct 05 01:33>, Jim -- DTN 223-5747 -- MLO5-2/13A of 1:133/411 wrote to All:


 J-D2-M> Proportional Software tells me the ship date has now slipped to 
 J-D2-M> 9/30.



So, is it out yet?
I'd like to hear of someone actually using this.




   Ed June

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From: dwkranit@eos.ncsu.edu (DONALD WILLIAM KRANITZ)
Subject: Trouble with OS/2 beta
Organization: NCSU Project Eos
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:54:06 GMT

   Well, I received my OS/2 2.0 GRE32/WINOS2 3.1 beta a couple of days ago and
have had no luck in installing it.  First, I'll list my system components:

386/33
8 Megs
120 MB IDE Maxtor hard drive
Trident 8900c video card (1 MB)

   On the first install, I tried to use the INSTLB program so that I could
install the beta with the 3 1/2 disks.  After I got through the text part of 
the installation, I removed the diskette as instructed and waited for it to 
boot into the graphical installation.  As soon as it displayed the OS/2 logo 
it displayed the following message:

A disk read error occurred
The system is stopped
Correct the preceding error and restart the system

   Well, I thought that it was the INSTLB installation that had caused the 
error.  The next day I ran out and purchased a cable so that I could swap my 
5 1/4 and 3 1/2 inch drives making the 3 1/2 drive A.  Needless to say, after 
10 varying installations, the damn thing still won't install.  I've tried 
installing in logical partitions and even backed up all my software and tried 
formatting the whole disk.  Nothing has worked.  My original hard disk layout 
was as follows:

1 MB Boot Manager partition
50 MB Fat partition (DOS 5.0 and DOS software)
32 MB HPFS (OS/2 2.0 GA)
41 MB HPFS (where I attempted to install the beta)

   The odd thing is that when I ran FDISK from the beta installation it did 
not identify the partitions correctly.  It stated that the 50 MB Dos 5.0 
partition was unformatted and the last two partitions were displayed as 73 MB 
of free space.  
   A couple of times I did manage to get completely throught the installation 
and rebooted my computer as instructed to start the desktop configuration.  
Instead of booting OS2 automatically as the GA release did (to begin 
constructing the desktop) it brought up Boot Manager.  When I selected to boot
the beta, it displayed the OS/2 logo and gave me the same error described 
above.
   In addition to wasting two days, I am completely demoralized.  I had really
hoped to get the beta up and running and test out some things.  But unless one
of you can help me, I guess that isn't going to happen.  Any and every piece
of advice will be greatly appreciated.

                                                                              
                                            Thanks in Advance
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Subject: Re: New files on software.watson.ibm.com & ibm suggestions
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:08:03 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <19vqs2INNbhp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell) writes:
> 
> While it is nice that IBM has made the ftp site available and is
> using it, the OS/2 section is beginning to become a mess.
> It would be nice if IBM started to make subdirectories off of
> /pub/os2 so that the files would be a bit more organized.
> A 'new files' directory would be very nice.

USE "ls -altr" to list the files in date order. All the new files are at the
end of the list.
 
Steve
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