From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.birthright,alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: Re: Shameless attack on pro-choicers in general!
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:40:56 GMT
Organization: California State University: Sacramento

In article <tgreen.712463543@pv1788.vincent.iastate.edu> tgreen@iastate.edu (Todd Greenfield) writes:
>In <j7nm6p+.ray@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>
>>tgreen@iastate.edu (Todd Greenfield) writes ...
>>>since I'm speaking up, I'd do it just once, and say what I've
>>>got to say:  I believe the choice is whether to conceive a
>>>child or not, *not* what to do with the child ("fetus") after
>>>it is conceived.  You've made your choice before you're 
>>>pregnant.  If you can't live with that, don't have sex. period.
>>>end of discussion :-)
>
>that was a little strong.  point is that the responsibility
>starts before a pregnancy.  Its just my opinion.
>I refuse to be politically correct and compromise my
>morals, thank you very much.

SCREEEEEEEECH. 

Waitaminute... watch it with that word "morality." They've got a big
trap set up for that word, and it's called "Don't force your morality
on me!" 

That statement can leave you open to a whole host of bile from the
pro-aborts. 

>>You're a sexist because you would punish women for having
>>sex while avoiding any consequence for yourself.
>
>I didn't say just the women, did I?  making a lot of 
>assumptions.

Tell them about child support... 

>>You're a hypocrite because you expect other people to live to 
>>standards you are unwilling to adopt for yourself.
>
>How do you know my standards?  (where in the hell did you 
>get this out of what I said?)
>I just expect people to take responsibility for their
>actions.  and I try to do the same.

Hey, we can live easily with the idea that it's justifiably illegal to
kill for sex. Abortion is one such act.

>>And you're a coward because you're unwilling to support and 
>>defend your comments.
>
>I am defending myself, since I'm getting called names :-(
>Which is why I stated the above the way I did.  People
>sure like to read a lot more into what I said than what
>I intended.

Welcome to the war, kiddo. That's an ancient and favored technique. 

>By the way, I don't read talk.abortion for this very reason.
>too many people yelling, none listening.  Why is this 
>stuff cross-posted to alt.birthright?

Well, it all began when a guy named Wayne Smith (who no longer seems
to be posting probably because I blasted him to smithereens) posted
an article to alt.birthright a few weeks back, which said he was
looking through alt.birthright to "flame a few anti-abortionists." I
came through, saw the article, and completely called his bluff. Then
Doug Wilhite jumped into the battle against me, and before long both
of them were whipping like flagpoles in a hurricane, when I got
finished with them. After that, it's been a fierce battle on
alt.birthright. 

I cross-posted to three different newsgroups because I felt that the
outgunned pro-aborts in alt.birthright, needed reinforcements from
talk.abortion. Not that it's achieved anything for the pro-choice
side, except to prove more and more that folks like Patrick Humphrey
and Ray Fischer are large and growing liabilities to the pro-abortion
movement.

Wait'll Mark Kaufman arrives here - he is Liability #1. 

So you might say Wayne Smith posted the challenge that led to what
you're seeing on this newsgroup now. 

>-- 
>Todd Greenfield
>tgreen@iastate.edu 


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1) Why is it that the pro-aborts are the least educated human beings in
the world when it comes to scientific facts? 
2) Why is it that pro-aborts were never raised to read an embryology
book before they debate? 
3) Why is it that pro-aborts never want embryologists around? 

Why ask why? --- 
- Last sentence deleted due to possible legal ramifications... 
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