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From: mwjones@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Re: Future of e-mail
Summary: fax e-mail use both
Keywords: use ancient technologies forever!! :)
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:15:51 GMT
Organization: Miami University, Hamilton campus


	Of course we are fortunate to have a choice (FAX -vs- E-Mail).
but why both to eliminate one for the other.
	Even with fax boards and *cheap* scanners I envision some applications
that still need a FAX.  Faxes are direct and fairly convient (AutoCAD draw-
ings are hard to scan and send by modem or FAX).  
	Can both technologies exist at the same time?
		Why?
			Why not?
I don't see it as so clear cut.  In fact to say FAX machines will all be
gathering dust over the next decade is a myth.  With           
all the great word processors around today, why do some people still 
use typewriters.  The world may nver know.

Michael Jones
Cincinnati Kid
Miami University, Hamilton
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: dan@sics.se (Dan Sahlin)
Subject: advice needed when buying paper fax, preferably V.17
Organization: SICS, Swedish Inst. of Computer Science
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:58:34 GMT

We need to buy a new fax and all we know for certain is that it is going
to be a fax using ordinary paper.

Now there seems to be at least three competing technologies for the printer
mechanism:
	- laser printer (e.g. RICOH FAX3000L)
	- ink jet (e.g. Panafax UF-300)
	- thermo transfer (e.g. Xerox 7033)

We have had ordinary laser printers for many years now, but the two other
technologies are unknown to us.  I have been told that the ink jet gives
inferior quality compared to a laser writer.  I have also been told that
the thermo transfer mechanism needs much less service than a laser
printer. Is this true?

Quite a different issue is the speed of the fax.  I have found a single
fax that uses V.33 (14400 bps), but I believe the standard way of handling
14000 bps is using V.17.  So far, I have not found any paper fax having V.17.
When can these machines be expected to arrive?

Another issue is related to the various "super fine" modes that are
offered. Some machines have 300*300 dots per inch, others have 200*400.
Is there any kind of defacto standard for super fine mode which machines
from different makes follow, or can "super fine" only be expected to
work between identical machines?

We have also been looking at group 4 faxes using the 64000bps ISDN
network.  These machines are 3-4 times more expensive than the high end
group 3 machines and very uncommon in Sweden.  Some people think that ISDN
is too little too late and that we will go directly into more high-speed
networks.  On the other hand I can get ISDN today, and it is not much more
expensive that an ordinary telephone line.  I have so far only found one
ISDN G4 fax, namely RICOH 7000 (and FAX 7000 from Swedish Telecom which I
suspect is the same machine).
Are there any other models out there?

It would be interesting to hear whether you think G4-faxes using ISDN will
become more common, or perhaps already are more common in your country.

	/Dan Sahlin, SICS, Sweden

email: dan@sics.se
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: jesse@cs.UAlberta.CA (Jesse Lee)
Subject: Re: Problem with fax detector
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:56:47 GMT

jesse@cs.UAlberta.CA (Jesse Lee) writes:

>Recently I bought a fax detector from a company called Lynx Automation, Inc
>because I would like to share my fax modem and phone on a single phone line.
>After trying with my friends' fax modems and fax machines, it does not
>work. But the other features of the fax detector works perfectly e.g. route
>to fax modem manually by counting number of rings or by pressing some
>buttons on the touch tone phone. Before I called the company for help,
>I would like to know the answers to the following questions:
>(1) The manual says the detector detects fax by checking the "Calling Tone"
>which is required by EIA standard RS-466 and CCITT T.30. I am wondering
>if it is the problem of telephone line rather than the detector itself.
>I suspect the signal is filtered out by the telephone line because all
>other features of the detector works perfectly. (I know there may still
>be a chance that the detector is defective.)
>In general, if I buy a fax machine, do I need to tell the telephone company
>to make any adjustment.
>(2) Is anyone using the same product from the same company? Is yours working
>perfectly?

>Jesse Lee
>jesse@cs.ualberta.ca


I called the company. I know why the fax detector does not work. It basically
works. The fax detector would not detect the signal until I pick up the
phone or the answering machine picks up the phone.

Jesse Lee
jesse@cs.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: gordon@sneaky.lonestar.org (Gordon Burditt)
Subject: Re: Problem with fax detector
Organization: Gordon Burditt
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:48:10 GMT

>(1) The manual says the detector detects fax by checking the "Calling Tone"
>which is required by EIA standard RS-466 and CCITT T.30. I am wondering
>if it is the problem of telephone line rather than the detector itself.
>I suspect the signal is filtered out by the telephone line because all
>other features of the detector works perfectly. (I know there may still
>be a chance that the detector is defective.)

Take the detector off the phone line.  Replace it with a phone.  Have a fax
machine call the phone.  Answer the phone.  Do you hear a tone?  If not,
the fax machine isn't sending one.  (If the phone company is filtering
out the tone but voice works, you've got a VERY strange phone line.)
Some fax machines only send the tone if you auto-dial; the manual-dial
operation pick up handset, dial, wait for tone (which won't happen till 
you get the called fax machine), press START won't give the tone.  Lots
of fax machines in the US don't generate it at all.

>In general, if I buy a fax machine, do I need to tell the telephone company
>to make any adjustment.

Yes.  Make sure you DO NOT order "Call Waiting", although that doesn't
have anything to do with this problem.

>(2) Is anyone using the same product from the same company? Is yours working
>perfectly?

There are switches that detect different ringing cadences.  There are
switches that detect touch tones and fax CNG tones.  You describe yours
as a mixture of the two; I'm not sure that this combination is practical,
or what the product is really supposed to do.  (To count rings, it
must not answer the phone until it passes the call on.  To sense touch
tones or CNG tones, it must answer the phone and listen.)

					Gordon L. Burditt
					sneaky.lonestar.org!gordon
From: setera@cs.umn.edu (Craig Setera)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Programming for fax-modems
Summary: faxmodems, programming
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:03:46 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

Please direct me elsewhere if this is the incorrect group.

Can anyone tell me where I can find information on programming fax/modem
cards for PC's?  I am interested in how these work and would like to
look into some of the specs.

Thanks,
Craig Setera
PS - please email (setera@cs.umn.edu)
-- 
Craig Setera
(setera@cs.umn.edu)
From: tss@tssnext (Total System Software)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Supra v32Fax driver software
Keywords: Supra, Fax, Facsimile, driver
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:49:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: nugget.1992Apr13.034925.1016
Reply-To: tss@tssnexst.rmNUG.ORG
Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group

Please note the announcement in 
comp.sys.next.announce for Fax driver software for the Supra v32Fax  
modem for the NeXT, this date.
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: jesse@cs.UAlberta.CA (Jesse Lee)
Subject: Problem with fax detector
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:49:40 GMT

Recently I bought a fax detector from a company called Lynx Automation, Inc
because I would like to share my fax modem and phone on a single phone line.
After trying with my friends' fax modems and fax machines, it does not
work. But the other features of the fax detector works perfectly e.g. route
to fax modem manually by counting number of rings or by pressing some
buttons on the touch tone phone. Before I called the company for help,
I would like to know the answers to the following questions:
(1) The manual says the detector detects fax by checking the "Calling Tone"
which is required by EIA standard RS-466 and CCITT T.30. I am wondering
if it is the problem of telephone line rather than the detector itself.
I suspect the signal is filtered out by the telephone line because all
other features of the detector works perfectly. (I know there may still
be a chance that the detector is defective.)
In general, if I buy a fax machine, do I need to tell the telephone company
to make any adjustment.
(2) Is anyone using the same product from the same company? Is yours working
perfectly?

Jesse Lee
jesse@cs.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Re: Send/Receive Fax and print to HP Laserjet
From: lchiu@animal.gcs.co.nz (Lawrence Chiu)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:02:29 GMT
Organization: GCS Limited, Wellington, New Zealand

In article <=7yjmv-.edg@netcom.com> edg@netcom.com (Ed Greenberg) writes:
>Is there a device out there these days that will send and receive fax,
>using the HP LaserJet (Series II) as a print engine?  Rather than get a
>traditional fax machine, I thought that this solution, using the
>printer, could do double duty and provide plain paper fax for a
>reasonable cost.

You might try the following:

1.  Buy a scanner - if you have one then that's great. Only if you need to
fax documents which already exist in paper form and not in electronic form.

2.  Buy a fax modem card. They are currently running at about US$100.       

3.  Get some fax software (I would recommend Winfax Pro but then you need
Windows also).

The fax modem could receive faxes in the background and can be set via
WFP to print the incoming fax to the laser printer.

If you need to send a document then you would have to scan it first and
then import into a word processing package or graphics package and fax
from that.  If you were producing the fax from scratch, then any Windows
WP would do - fax directly from that.

That's just one option. There are other I'm sure. For example there are
products which allow you to receive faxes on a laser printer (like Fax-O-Matic)
without a PC attached but you can't send.


=========================================================================== 
 Laurence Chiu                      |
 Principal Consultant               |
 GCS Ltd, Wellington, New Zealand   |
 Tel: +64 4 801 0176                | Internet    : lchiu@animal.gcs.co.nz
 Fax: +64 4 801 0095                | Compuserve  : 71750,1527
===========================================================================
From: goldenj@nic.csu.net
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Prometheus Fax Modem Questions
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:07:54 PDT
Organization: Information Resources and Technology

I am trying to get a Prometheus Ultima V32/bis Fax modem to send to other
fax machines using the software that came with the modem (MaxFax). The
only successfull fax call I have made was to Prometheus.  Are there any other
Fax programs for the mac (or PC) that will work with the modem?  Are the
fax commands Standard (or documented)?
Thanks for any help the net can provide
---
Jim Golden                         Goldenj@nic.csu.net
Cal. State University

Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,alt.fax
From: spe@cbqss1.att.com (Scott Elliott)
Subject: Better ASCII to Group 3?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:01:23 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: ASCII, Group 3

Is there a better (i.e. faster) way to convert ASCII text to Group 3 fax
format than first converting the ASCII to Postscript, then to G3?  All I
need is to convert ASCII text, no bitmaps, no troff.
From: shaw@pegasus.com (Sandy Shaw)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Fax usage statistics?
Summary: Looking for fax usage stats
Keywords: fax, statistics
Date: 15 Apr 92 07:06:48 GMT
Followup-To: shaw@pegasus.com
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu

Does anyone out there have or know where I might find fax usage statistics?
sent by an average company and what percentage is international and
domestic? There must be some market research out there somewhere, right?

Thanks in advance.

Sandy Shaw
shaw@pegasus.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,comp.mail.misc,misc.entrrepreneurs,comp.society.futures
From: rikitake@jrd.dec.com (Kenji Rikitake)
Subject: Re: Future of fax?
Followup-To: poster
Reply-To: kenji@komaba.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Organization: I speak for myself.
	<680yiB3w164w@uuisis.isis.org>
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:52:19 GMT

Just some clarifications...

>   [...] FAX can, in many legitimate ways, be said to
>   be a Japanese technology. 

I agree that FAXes are for those who prefer to write by hand. FAX
itself, however, is a very old technology invented in the beginning of
this century, for transmitting pictures. It's not a Japanese
technology - although Japanese made it a handy device.

>   The lack of a phonetic alphabet made 'typing'
>   or the use of e-mail more difficult.

Japanese language *does* have phonographic characters (hiragana and
katakana). Many people use them to type in Japanese, although I
usually type in Japanese using romanized form, also common among
people. The problem is that converting "alphabetic" Japanese into
Kanji (Chinese ideograms) cannot be uniquely done so you need to have
a dictionary mechanism to manually pick up the correct Kanji letters.

>   I don't know your mother, but lots of people older than 66 are doing
>   e-mail with ease.

I guess typewriters had already been available 70 or 80 years ago for
those living in USA and Europe. But not in Japan. It took quite a lot
of years to make a machine that is capable to handle
phonogram-to-ideogram conversion.

Many old (wo)men are happily using word-processors here, like my
father, but there are still quite a lot people who consider those
machines are too hard to use. I wanted to say that the number of who
stay away from computers are far more in Japan than in USA and Europe.

-- Kenji
--
Kenji Rikitake // kenji@macrofield.or.jp
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: jucevic@ecst.csuchico.edu (Edward Paul Jucevic)
Subject: Fax Programming
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 18:22:28 GMT

	I have a Zoltrix Zofax 96/24 send and recive fax modem.  It uses a +F
 command set in the same manner as the Hayes AT command set.  The chip set is
 a Sierra Semiconductor Version 4.10. Is there any body out there that has
 not only the +F command set, but a source code sample of how to send and
 recive faxes.  I am very familuare with the AT command set and how to apply
 it.  I have programed in 'C', Pascal, BASIC and 8086 Assembly.  I dont care
 how short, uncommented, or incriptic.         

FAX-BIOS:  There is an article in the April 1992 Windows/Dos Developer's
 Journal. It is Vol. 3, No. 4. pg 21.  This article explaines how to program
 a Fax-Modem based on the Fax-Bios Standard.

Which standard is winning?  Out of curiosity is there a standared that is to
be implimented, or is it just going to be left alone like AM Sterio.

				Edward Jucevic
				Computer Engenering Student at 
				California State University Chico (CSUC)
				jucevic@cscihp.ecst.cscuchico.edu
From: don@q-aais.navo.navy.mil (Don Newcomb)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Is there a list of FAQs for FAX?
Keywords: FAQ FAX
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:26:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr6.132617.17963
Reply-To: newcomb@navo.navy.mil (Don Newcomb)
Organization: U.S. Naval Oceanographic Office
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-17925]: q-aais.navo.navy.mil

"Subject:" line says it all. Has anyone put together a FAQ list for
this group. Should probably cover:
 1. FAX standards.
 2. FAX modems
 3. Software for DOS & UNIX
 4. Phone connections. Call directing etc.

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* U.S. Naval Oceanographic Office  * those of the author. Mention *
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From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.sys.cisco
Subject: traceroute to a cisco
Date: 15 Apr 1992 23:05:26 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

When I trace the route to a cisco router, it apparently ignores every other
probe packet.  In the example below, Rome and Avignon are two ciscos that
are on the same subnet (131.239.20).  This isn't critical, but I'm curious
whether there's an obvious explanation or it's just a bug.

Rome#trace
Protocol [ip]: 
Target IP address: avignon
Translating "AVIGNON"...domain server (131.239.2.1) [OK]

Source address: 
Numeric display [n]: 
Timeout in seconds [3]: 
Probe count [3]: 10
Minimum Time to Live [1]: 
Maximum Time to Live [30]: 
Port Number [33434]: 
Loose, Strict, Record, Timestamp, Verbose[none]: 
Type escape sequence to abort.
Tracing the route to AVIGNON.THINK.COM (131.239.20.249)

  1 AVIGNON.THINK.COM (131.239.20.249) 4 msec *  4 msec *  0 msec *  0 msec *  4 msec * 
Rome#
-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
From: kitagawa@will.ntt.jp (Masahiro Kitagawa)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.sys.cisco
Subject: STS-10x v.s. ASM/3 ?
Date: 16 Apr 92 08:24:10 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: NTT Basic Research Labs., Tokyo, Japan

Dear Cisco experts,

I have to decide which terminal servers to buy for 30 users, three of
STS-10x's or an ASM/3. Any advice is welcome. Please reply by mail.

MaSa						*--- **** ***-- *--* *-* *-*
						Masahiro Kitagawa
						NTT Research Labs. Tokyo Japan
						kitagawa@will.NTT.JP
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.sys.cisco
From: dennis@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Doug Dennis)
Subject: missing Novell servers (slist vs rconsole)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:59:58 GMT

We are having problems with missing novell servers.  When we do a Novell
'slist' we have X number of file servers.  If we do use 'rconsole' to
connect to a remote server, we see about 5 fewer servers.  Our network is
made up of a campus backbone with IGS routers separating the campus backbone
from the building backbone.  Usually there is one 'building' file server
on each building backbone.  These IGS routers are all running 8.2(3) to
8.2(7) and more specifically, the 'missing' file servers are behind routers
running 8.2(3), 8.2(4) and 8.2(5).  If I go over to another building and
do a 'rconsole' to another server, there may be 8 missing file servers.
Does anybody know the reason(s) for this?  I would appreciate any help at all.
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.sys.cisco
Subject: Re: IBM 3270/telnet to non-IBM machine
Date: 11 Apr 1992 14:51:25 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston


Using a 3270 as a TELNET client device to an application expecting a serial,
character mode terminal (i.e., VT100) is possible; Teubner and Associates
sells a package to do just that under the name ANET. That's the good news.

The bad news is that a 3270 makes a terrible character mode terminal - because
it isn't. It's inherently block mode. Most applications have implicit design
assumptions about being able to see each character as it's typed. A 3270 is
incapable of doing that unless you're dealing with an Asynchronous Emulation
Adapter or other controller-based feature. Applications that work well with
3270s are invariably those designed to work with other block-mode terminals.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by a .sig virus.
         "Grow up children. Purchase lives." -- Geoff Collyer
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.sys.cisco
From: Shawn.P.Sexton.1@nd.edu (Shawn P. Sexton)
Subject: FDDI Problem
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:49:53 GMT

I am currently trying to setup a very simple FDDI ring using two cisco routers.
I have the routers setup in test scenerio where both routers and their
fiber cross-connects are in the same room and easily accessable. I have
no problem setting up the initial ring, the configuration is "thru A".
In testing when I disconnect either the A or B Phy completely from either
router the ring reconfigures to "wrap A" or "wrap B" properly and with
a very minimal delay. However if I disconnect a single fiber from any
of the phy's the router goes into the appropriate wrap state, but also
shows a Halt Line State (HLS) for the affected phy and cpu utilization
goes to 100%. The router then appears to remain in this state indefinitely.
I have been trying to determine what exactly is happening when the router
is in this state (i.e. is it stuck beaconing?, etc...) and I am curious
as to why the router remains in this braindamaged state. 
I would greatly appreciate any explanation for my current problem.
From: robelr@ucs.indiana.edu (Allen Robel)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.sys.cisco
Subject: Re: Routing Appletalk phase 2
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:37:25 GMT
Reply-To: robelr@mythos.ucs.indiana.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Apr6.224144.1690@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>  
barr@tramp.Colorado.EDU (BARR DOUG) writes:
> We have a Gator connected to a Cisco. The Appletalk (phase 2) traffic is
> not getting routed. I hooked up the sniffer and could see both units
> but it seems the Cisco won't respond to the Gator. The Cisco is supposed
> to send a ZIP packet and doesn't. Anyone know why?

We had a problem with the GatorBox a while back (can't remember
if it was exactly your problem) that we solved by upgrading
the GatorBox.   You can get upgrades via anon FTP from

ftp.cayman.com

in /pub/GatorBox

Worth a try?

--
Allen Robel                         robelr@mythos.ucs.indiana.edu 
University Computing Services       ROBELR@IUJADE.BITNET 
Network Research & Planning         voice: (812)855-7171
Indiana University                  FAX:   (812)855-8299

schedule: 
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.sys.cisco
From: gc@bnl.gov (Graham Campbell)
Subject: Statistics and their meaning
Reply-To: gc@bnl.gov
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:08:33 GMT

I have been trying to make some sense out of a weeks worth of measurements we made every three minutes on the local network.  The first problem that I have is that the input Q discards do not seem to be correlated with the load on the router.  By load, I mean either input packets, input bytes, or total load (sum over interfaces of input + output).  Can someone tell me the precise definition of input q discards and what conditions lead to them?

A second problem is that the sum of input and output bytes on an interface do not agree with traffic counts generated by an EtherMeter.  Is this because the input bytes counted refer only to traffic accepted for forwarding by the router and do not include purely local traffic on the attached sub-net?

---
Graham
gc@bnl.gov
From: perand@stacken.kth.se (Per Andersson)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.sys.cisco
Subject: Lat/telnet gateway slow ?
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:22:35 GMT
Organization: Stacken Computer Club, Stockholm, Sweden


Hi.

Id like to hear other peoples opinions of the IGS as a Lat/Telnet gateway.
I do a conversion through an autocommand containing 'rlogin foo.bar.se' so
that it will ask the nameserver each time it connects. We got this IGS to
replace a couple of Descstation 3100:s running what DEC call lattelnet or
msglattelnet or something, which basically is a getty process that does
telnet instead of logging in. To our surprise the Decstation has better
throughput with 30-40 users than the IGS when I'm running alone through it.
Anybody have bright ideas or comments ?

/Per