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From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re:  the video
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:50:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.184746.24157@athena.mit.edu> grisha@athena.mit.edu (Grigory Golberg) writes:

>O God! WHY DO YOU CARE about the races and nationalities of people on
>the show. There are no blacks- okay, there may be no "diversity", but
>I don't see anything wrong with the show.
>

I personally think that the more diversity that a show shows, the
(potentially) better the show is.  It just opens the script writers
door a bit more for other viewpoints and storylines.  Not that a
"diverse" show has to mean that every plot line is racially/culturally
tilted, but only that there is a broader spectrum that can be
considered.  I really like this show, but I think it would be better
with a little more cultural diversity.

Please don't argue that this "is not realistic" for some reason or
other; it may or may not be realistic as far as Beverly Hills is
concerned, but who ever said the show was "realistic" in the first
place?

>And what is this politically correct speech - Af-Am?
>It's just stupid.
>

What's stupid about it?  You're just saying that you don't prefer the
term.  Others don't prefer other terms.  The term "African-American"
is a pretty well accepted, mainstream term.  Just because for some
reason you personally don't like it is no reason for you to label it
PC and call it a "stupid" term.

--scoT

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From: lbride@be.seas.upenn.edu (Lesley Bride)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: AFRICAN AMERICAN TERM!
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:57:36 GMT
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Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I hate it when people on this newsgroup get into long debates about things
not directly related to the show and characters.  But here I had to agree
with Scoot Gibson about the term "African American".

I go to a very traditional conservative school on the east coast and the
term "African American"  is definitely used a lot.  It stands for not only
the color but the hertiage behind the race.


Lesley
From: cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Cliff Chen)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210,alt.tv.90210
Subject: Re: Brenda as Elvira (was Re: Brenda on Billboard Music Awards)
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:16:48 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <11DEC199215554434@quark2.aero.org> flaskerud@arecibo.aero.org writes:
>   Did everyone notice how the audience "boooo-ed" Shannen??  She took 
>it pretty well, but the look on her face was not too happy.

	I heard that as soon as she was offstage, she was so upset that she
was crying for quite a while afterwards.

					Cliff Chen
					cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
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From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Grizabella)
Subject: Re: Andrea gets into Yale!
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-3899]: thor
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:45:15 GMT

In article <1gro9eINNrri@agate.berkeley.edu> wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:

>>> "happen" to wind up at the University of California (a thinly-disguised
>>> Berkeley, I think)

>
>By implication, University of California without a suffix to it like
>"Santa Barbara" or "Davis" or saying UCLA, means UC-Berkeley.  The sports
>teams at Berkeley usually have the word "California" on their jerseys and the
>football team has the script "Cal" on their helmets.
>

This would make sense, if it wasn't for the fact that it is California
University, and *NOT* Univ. of Cal. that they're all talking about going
to... isn't it?

Meow...
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From: funga@ecf.toronto.edu (FUNG Alexander Yok-Wai)
Subject: Re: Soundtrack, in reality
Keywords: List of songs used on the show, please!
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:40:54 GMT

In article <105010@bu.edu> rreeves@acs.bu.edu (Robert Reeves) writes:
>
>	Since the 9021zero soundtrack (IMHO) doesn't really reflect what is actually played on the shows, could somebody (or everybody) help me think of stuff that HAS been played on TV.  So far, all I remember is:
>		Soho:		HippyChick  (Brenda moves out/Brandon's first..)
>
>		REM		LosingMyReligion ("Dylan, we should break up..)
>
>
Hmmm...they played Chris Isaak's "Wicked Game" during some Brenda/Dylan
smootch scene in a car by the beach, Jody Watley's "I Need You" when David
propositioned Donna in his house, and "Deep Down" from Debbie Gibson on the
WBH speakers before David 'accidentally' phoned Debbie Gibson in three
different episodes. These were all current singles at the time of the episode
airing. Of course, there are a lot more.

I recall people wondering why 90210 stopped playing current pop music during
their breaks and went to variations of their theme music. It may be due to the
fact that it became a hit television show, and had to decrease time context of
the episodes for syndication. For example, shows are airing in different
countries far behind what is being played in North America (as we all know,
from the inquiries of our European and Australian friends asking how far behind
they are). The pop music of the time the show aired here would sound dated.
That was also the reason given for the wardrobe of the characters - they
attempt to dress the characters not TOO trendy, to not look dated.

>


-- 
Alex (funga@ecf.toronto.edu)

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From: dlee@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (David Lee)
Subject: Not UC! (Should be: Class of '96) (Was: Andrea gets into Yale!)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 12:27:20 GMT

>True, but I believe on 90210 the school that was mentioned was
>California University, NOT University of California.  They aren't
>necessarily the same thing.  It makes more sense that they'd all
>go to UCLA rather than Berkeley anyway, so why assume CU means
>Berkeley?
>
>- Bob

Well, as I mentioned in my previous post, the exteriors _ARE_ UCLA.  And, as
I said before, the university was not "California University" but something
else (Chesterfield?).

Anyway, if they continue to shoot here, I just hope that the school is located
somewhere in the sun belt - I can't imagine them trying to set up some winter
scenes and the mess that would be created if they made snow.

David

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From: ncohen1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Neal Cohen)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: are they serious?
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:39:10 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College

Was that episode for real? It was the absolute cheesiest thing that I've
ever seen. But at least, Andrea is going to YALE so us intellectuals at
Swarthmore won't have to deal with the whole 90210's group whining sessions
via e-mail. Just the thought of it makes me nauseous.

I, too, USED to be a fan. Maybe I'll switch over to "The Class of '96"

What has my life come to?

ncohen1@cc.swarthmore.edu 
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From: night@acm.rpi.edu (Trip Martin)
Subject: Re: Help me out
Reply-To: night@acm.rpi.edu
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:07:31 GMT

In <1992Dec18.034156.4567@leland.Stanford.EDU> Vida Tigrani <veeduh@leland.stanford.edu> writes:



>Question:

>What's going to happen to the show when all these guys graduate?  Will
>they continue to chronicle the lives of the seniors while they are in
>college?  Are they going to continue at West Beverley High with new
>characters?  

I suspect they'll go back and forth between West Beverly and CU.  I believe
CU is supposed to be within commuting distance for everyone.

>And another thing:

>I thought Andrea was really compromising herself by allowing herself to
>be merely a co-editor with a guy who has so little experience.  I was
>surprised she accepted that deal.  I think she should have waited and let
>Brandon fall on his face.  That would have been great!  What a conceited
>dork.  

Little or no experience?  Brandon has been on the school paper since 
he got to West Beverly.  Whether he has any prior editorial experience
is an open question, but you have to start sometime.  If he's done a good
job as a reporter, then there's no reason why he shouldn't do a good job
as editor.

>And Shannon:

>Does anyone else think she looks like she's part Asian?

A little perhaps.  If you look at pictures of here when she was younger
though, she looks thoroughly Caucasian.
--
Trip Martin
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From: goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL)
Subject: Re: Andrea gets into Yale!
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:22:08 GMT

>1.  "Which is it, thick or thin?"  What's up with that?
>     Every high-school student worth his/her salt knows that
>     early action admits are thin, too -- they send you the main
>     material in April with everyone else.

Hmmm...all universities I know send thick envelopes.

In fact, my brother got his early acceptance notification from Duke two
days ago.

They sent him a nice looking, high quality, Duke folder with lotsa papers
inside it. (ie-it was "thick")
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 14:02:42 MST
From: <ICRTB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Get real!

I agree.  If last night's show was the first episode, it would have
been the last.
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From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Favorite lines from Heathers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:44:21 GMT


Heathers is one of my top 10 favorites.  Brilliant movie.

Favorite line:

"Dear Diary- My teen angst bullshit has a body count."

--scoT

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From: grisha@athena.mit.edu (Grigory Golberg)
Subject: Re:  Are you serious
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:38:49 GMT

In article  <Bz3z3p.Iox@cs.vu.nl> Kuz I writes:


>I've read a whole bunch of postings from people who sound like
>they really think that this is a GOOD show!  Is this  REALLY 
>true?  I don't mean to put anyone down but I find it hard
>to beleive that college students could take the show seriously.
>
>The only reason why I watch it is because it's the funniest show 
>on tv now ( especially when they're trying to be serious ).  Well here
>in Holland we're still pretty far behind but maybe in the newer 
>episodes ( I hope not ) the acting will get better and I'll have
>to find another comedy show to make me laugh.  

Actually, this is the only reason I read your postings and don't
put them in a kill file.

-GG
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From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: UC or not UC - NOT! (Should be: Class of '96) (Was: Andrea gets into Yale!)
Organization: Stanford University, 1992 Winners of Big Game.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:31:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.121938.2995@cs.ucla.edu> dlee@oahu.cs.ucla.edu
(David Lee) writes:

>Couldn't the Cal Bears beat Stanford just once at the "Big Game"?  Ah well.

 :)

--scoT

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From: glhewitt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gary Livingston Hewitt)
Subject: Re: Steve in detention
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:55:51 GMT

In article <102614@netnews.upenn.edu> lbride@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Lesley Bride) writes:
>
>	I hate to beat a subject to death, but Steve was not supposed to
>be at any school activity, including visiting the kids.  He snuck out
>of detention, unknown to Mrs. Teasley, and figured she would change her mind
>about letting him go if he was already there (which she did).  
>	My point is that, normally, Steve in detention is doing nothing. We
>weren't even allowed to do homework.  Because he committed a crime, Steve 
>should have also been sentenced to community service, besides his dentention,
>maybe on the weekends.

Yeah, like maybe, I don't know, dressing up and playing Santa Claus for
some "underprivileged kids"?  Hmmmm.

Gary
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From: wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Andrea gets into Yale!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 05:41:02 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1gr1ulINN7d3@athena.sdsu.edu> larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:
>ROBERT MACKENNA (rjm1@acpub.duke.edu) wrote:
>
>>               but I was sure she'd be rejected so she could just
>> "happen" to wind up at the University of California (a thinly-disguised
>> Berkeley, I think)
>
>Fortunately it's not.
>
>Larry

Larry:  :P

By implication, University of California without a suffix to it like
"Santa Barbara" or "Davis" or saying UCLA, means UC-Berkeley.  The sports
teams at Berkeley usually have the word "California" on their jerseys and the
football team has the script "Cal" on their helmets.  

--WFT
GO BEARS!
From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Get real!
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:52:57 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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Robert Lynn Ridenour (ridenour@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:

> Well, after tonight's episode, I guess nobody can argue
> that 90210 is realistic anymore, huh?

Boy, that's for sure.  Did you see the trash truck go through
the school bus?  Things like that don't happen in real life.

I mean, who are they trying to kid?


Larry
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From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (C.J.K.)
Subject: Re: Andrea
Reply-To: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com
Organization: Not very organized
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:24:30 GMT

larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:

>Ann (st1y4@jane.uh.edu) wrote:
>> When did Andrea's legs heal?  In the two weeks we've been forced to do
>> without BH90210?  uhmmm....

>It's been about two months since the accident, hasn't it?  She was on
>crutches a couple weeks ago.


>> The deal with that drunk driver and the school bus crashing really had
>> me anticipating some great episodes, but they BLEW IT!

>Oh, it was so UNREALISTIC the way that trash truck went right through
>the bus!  I mean who are they trying to fool!  Those things don't happen
>in real life!

Now, I thought that that part was very realistic!  Perhaps the drinking
driver and Steve could do community service while the driver's mother
and Mrs.Teasley have it out in Tease's office.

I was thinking that it would be kind of interesting if Andrea would
have both legs broken in a bus accident.  


>> Any GOOD guesses as to who Dylan will choose to spend New Years Eve with?

>His dad?  Oh, did you say GOOD guesses?  How about Princess Di?  This show
>
I think that he'll spend it with his dad since they seemed to leave on
good terms at Thanksgiving.
From: st1y4@jane.uh.edu (Ann)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Shannon
Keywords: Booing at the awards!
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:40:00 GMT
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I hate to say it, but what the heck...

I'm glad she was upset (if it was true) after the awards show.  She is
or at least seems to be, one of those actors that start off nice but
after a few hit seasons it all goes to their heads and they turn into
total and complete assholes!!!!

Maybe its not too late for her and she'll get a clue and change her act...

yeah right!  nice thought though uh?






My thoughts...

:-)(-8   Ann
From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Andrea gets into Yale!
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:02:17 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1gorghINNcfe@SUNED.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> warren-matthew@cs.yale.edu (Matthew S. 'Opie' Warren) writes:
>Hey, three cheers for 90210's best-looking brunette!  A few observations.
>
>1.  "Which is it, thick or thin?"  What's up with that?
>     Every high-school student worth his/her salt knows that
>     early action admits are thin, too -- they send you the main
>     material in April with everyone else.

Well, compadre mio, here at Duke the early-admit packets are indeed
these big, thick things.  I have an amusing anecdote which concerns mine
and me climbing through a window to get it out of the mailroom of my
high school (residential) after the guy in charge of it refused to
unlock the room for me.

I must admit I was flabbergasted that she got in.  Not that she's not
smart enough, but I was sure she'd be rejected so she could just
"happen" to wind up at the University of California (a thinly-disguised
Berkeley, I think) with the rest of the gang.  Hmm.  Look for a
storyline in the spring concerning her inability to qualify for enough
financial aid to afford to go to Yale.  I'm still betting on this
California place.

BTW, was that or was that not possibly the STUPIDEST episode of 90210
ever?  Yes, I picked up on the "It's a wonderful life" thing, but the
whole bit where the garbage truck drives "through" the school bus
totally crossed the line between sheer fantasy and the veneer of realism
that 90210 had (barely) managed to maintain.  And those stupid angels
talking through the whole thing were so damn annoying!  Argh!

And to misquote some random little kid, "Say it ain't so, Nikki!"
Sigh...

- Rob Mac K

BTW, not to reignite an old flame war, but I was amused at the (brief)
scene where we saw Steve in detention...sitting on his ass, doing his
homework.  So much for community service.  :-)  :-)  :-)



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From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Andrea
Date: 17 Dec 1992 06:02:02 GMT
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Ann (st1y4@jane.uh.edu) wrote:
> When did Andrea's legs heal?  In the two weeks we've been forced to do
> without BH90210?  uhmmm....

It's been about two months since the accident, hasn't it?  She was on
crutches a couple weeks ago.


> The deal with that drunk driver and the school bus crashing really had
> me anticipating some great episodes, but they BLEW IT!

Oh, it was so UNREALISTIC the way that trash truck went right through
the bus!  I mean who are they trying to fool!  Those things don't happen
in real life!


> Any GOOD guesses as to who Dylan will choose to spend New Years Eve with?

His dad?  Oh, did you say GOOD guesses?  How about Princess Di?  This show
is so unrealistic, it just might happen, I mean with that trash truck
going through the school bus.  That wasn't realistic at all!


> I don't know about you lady's out there, but I certainly would not wait
> around long enough to let HIM decide who HE wants to go out with.

What about all the fun you'd be having by making him choose?


>                                               He just likes feeling all
> macho and manly having two attractive (esp. Kelley) girls want him. 

I would too, although I'd say they're two sort of attractive girls.


Larry
From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Andrea gets into Yale!
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:25:37 GMT
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Larry Riedel (larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu) wrote:
> ROBERT MACKENNA (rjm1@acpub.duke.edu) wrote:
> > BTW, not to reignite an old flame war, but I was amused at the (brief)
> > scene where we saw Steve in detention...sitting on his ass, doing his
> > homework.  So much for community service.  :-)  :-)  :-)

> That must have been before the scene where Steve was forced to dress up as
> Santa, hear wishes and hand out presents.  So much for sitting on his *SS.


Not to follow-up my own post or anything, but come to think of it, he
was sitting on his *SS.  He was doing community service AND sitting on
his *SS.  How ironic.


Larry
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