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From: gdr11@cl.cam.ac.uk (G.D. Rees)
Subject: Re: Ross Perot and SF: From the NYT.
Reply-To: gdr11@cl.cam.ac.uk (G.D. Rees)
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:34:40 GMT

In article <16876C3D7.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>,
YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
|> [ stuff about Ross Perot's ideas being similar to those in a book by
Borden ]

This sounds like 'Atlas Shrugged' revisited to me; the idea that the
country should be governed only by those intellectuals wise enough to do
so is one of the classic libertarian themes, and it doesn't surprise me
at all that Perot is running on a (subtle) libertarian platform.

|>    "'Modern fiction is generally more Joyce than Dickens -- it concerns
|> various forms of excessive individualism, and accepts society as a given,'
|> said Jim Chapin, a writer, political consultant, and science-fiction
fan.  'it
|> is left to science-fiction writers, who are a little out of tune with their
|> own society and habitually deal with alternate realities, future
histories and
|> fantasy worlds to ask, 'How should we be organized?' and 'What would happen
|> if...?'"
|>  
|>     Personal observations:  As far as Chapin's idea of literature
goes, I more
|> or less agree with it.  Issac Asimov, and Orson Scott Card (I think, it may
|> have been Algis Budrys) also state essentially the same thing in some
of their
|> editorials and book reviews, and Card further states that it is perhaps the
|> main reason why the mainstream critics hate science fiction.

This is another classic but false idea.  Science fiction, as a political
genre, is in the main highly reactionary and conservative - it is the sf
genre that has expounded libertarian ideas to a much greater extent that
anything in mainstream.  Asimov and Card are noted for using the 'ends
justify the means' position as a major driving force in their plots, and
I don't think that either has made much of an effort to look deeply at
questions like 'How should we be organised?'.  To be fair though, this
doesn't invalidate their comments on the subject.

Gareth Rees <gdr11@phx.cam.ac.uk>
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Hand
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:20:38 GMT
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Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

nmlrc@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca writes:
>Has anyone out there read Elizabeth Hand? 

I read and liked WINTERLONG, although it had a few problems, such as
language not yet under control.  I haven't gotten AESTIVAL TIDE yet.

Of course, part of the fun for me was watching the characters wander
around a post-apochalyptic hometown.  The most horrific thing Hand did
in the book was not what she put her characters through, but what she
did to the Catherdral.  Whaaaa!

	Larry "Expatriot Washingtonian" Hammer
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From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:46:51 GMT

How about some of Robert Anson Heinlein's books, presuming his
widow would allow it.

Time Enough for Love
Stranger in a Strange Land (may have been done....)
Starship Troopers
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
To Sail Beyond the Sunset
Glory Road

There are several others, but I'll leave it at that.
-- 
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Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
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From: blum@news.ils.nwu.edu (Daniel Blum)
Subject: Re: Yet More on Languages in SF&F
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:37:16 GMT

The aliens who have the three possessives are Larry Niven's
chirpsithra, who appear in the Draco's Tavern stories  The three
different "mine"s are those of ownership ("my car"), relationship ("my
mother"), and contiguity ("my hand").

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 declare this bridge officially open."
_____________________________________________________________________
From: mike@micros.COM ("Michael J. Lonski")
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Subject: Yet More on Languages in SF&F
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:17:15 GMT

Here are yet some more comments on languages in SF & F.

This is stretching my memory a bit and my books are at home but...

I remember a short story in a collection, (Alan Dean Foster's "With Friends
Like These..."???), where a human gets into a conversation with a group of
aliens at a bar.  These aliens are technoligically superior but mention
being wary of humans because we use the same possesive, (ex. my father, my
car, my hand), for everything whereas they differentiate between all of
these cases.  To them, this makes the human's reactions very unpredictable
and therefore unsafe to meddle with.

C.J. Cheryh does some interesting things with languages in her various books
too, such as the word matrix "interpretations" of the messages of one the
methane breathing race in her Chanur series, (the kynn??, t'ca?? I forget 
exactly which one :-(.

Going back to the classics, has anyone mentioned JRR Tolkien?  He was a linguist
who spoke 10 or 12 languages fluently with working knowledge of about 6 more
and created Quenya and Sindarin, the two elvish languages, as an excercise
long before he started on his books.  I've got a book on his languages at home
which goes into considerable depth.  Just imagine the kind of conversations he
could have carried on!

Hope you enjoyed these random thoughts,

Salut,
M.

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From: kathrynw%radian@natinst.com (Kathryn Whitworth)
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Hand
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:44:45 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization


I bought a copy of *Winterlong* new, rather than used, and could not get
into it or through it.  Don't think I made it past the second chapter.
Her use of language was such that I couldn't really tell what was going on,
or what it meant.  I have a vague memory that it seemed to be the same
genre as *Mythago Wood*, which I did find readable.  Nor could I find any-
thing to care about it the characters. 

Kathryn Roth Whitworth  
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From: dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: Re: Female writers Re: Science Fiction Age
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 21:08:03 GMT

(Brad Templeton) writes:
 
>That context is the presence of awards which are closed to writers without
>a vagina.   If a majority -- ANY majority, slight or overwhelming -- of
>the winners or nominees of a general award have a vagina, then all other
>things being equal, a claim that there is a need for a reverse discrimination
>award is dubious, at least in the year in question.

   When 13 vaginas meet 12 penises, there will be a minority of 1 vagina.

p.s.  INFIDEL, help!  I'm being taken too seriously!

p.s.s.  Seriously, Brad, Chuq, Paul, + whoever--this is a non-issue!
        Let's talk SF!

 - David!!!

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From: notes@hpcvnb.CV.HP.COM (NotesSystem)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 15:09:54 PDT
Subject: Re: Andromeda Strain
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, Oregon
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I may still have a copy of Andromeda Strain.  If I find it I'll be glad to
ship it to you just for the cost of postage.  I'll email you when I find the
book.

Rich Lovin
unix email: lovin@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Card's Continuing Series (was re: Card's Alvin Maker)
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:09:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1992Oct12.184141.1@quaker.admin.upenn.edu>, gerstel@quaker.admin.upenn.edu writes...
>Has anyone heard ANY rumors about Orson Scott Card continuing/completing the
>Alvin Maker series??  I keep worrying that since it's been 3 years since he's
>done anything to it, he may have given up on it, the way Zelazny did with the
>_Changeling_/_Madwand_ series.

     I don't know if Card is working seriously on the next
     Alvin Maker novel, but he did recently say he intended
     to continue the series (whether the next book will wrap
     it up or not, I don't know).

     Supposedly, the next Ender book WILL conclude the story
     of those characters - and should be interesting, considering
     all the chaos at the end of XENOCIDE (Peter and the girl
     from Path going to have a talk with Starways Congress,
     the Buggers and Piggies about to get off Luisitania, the
     Fleet, Jayne, etc).

     Has anyone been following MEMORIES OF EARTH?  I started
     the first book but never got into it.  The second book
     in the series will be out this summer (I think, perhaps
     sooner tho)...

                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.            
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From: urf@icl.se (Urban F)
Subject: Re: Characters I Hate to Love
Organization: None. On USENET I speak only for myself.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:04:40 GMT

Junsok Yang (YANJUNA) writes:
> 
>    I personally believe it's the threat of punishment or social
>ostrization that keeps most people in line.

What a strange upbringing you must've had! I'm personally
convinced, that if the police force were to be abolished today,
only the very small criminal element would change their
behaviour (or rather, do what they're trying to now). (And no,
not many of us in Sweden believe in any god, so we're not much
threatened by punishment that way either.)
--
 Urban Fredriksson   urf@icl.se  (n.g.u.fredriksson.swe2001@oasis.icl.co.uk)
 Knowledge is power: Read books!
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From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
Subject: Re: Weirdstone location? (Was Re:Alan Garner)
Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:18:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.234533.9188@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, warda@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>      I used to spend hours with Weirdstone, Gomrath, and the
>> appropriate Ordnance Survey map, tracing out the travels of the
>> characters (Red Shift is also set in the same general area).
>> 
> Where was Weirdstone set?  Is "Alderley" a real place I can look up in the OS 
> atlas?
 
Very real. My parents grew up there. Look up North-West England, find
Manchester. Due south is Wilmslow. Alderley Edge is just south of there.
I think its on the A34. The edge itself (a geological fault that has 
slipped) is as odd as Garner describes, although I've never spied any
magical beings up there. Quite honestly the place doesn't need them.

Speaking of Garner, Did anyone notice the way the coded message eventually
got dropped from the back to Red Shift? It is a monstrous thing to do, 
because people with the insight/patience to crack it get the *other* ending.

   Alan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Maidenhead itself is too snobby to be pleasant. It is the haunt of the
   river swell and his overdressed female companion. It is the town of showy
   hotels, patronized chiefly by dudes and ballet girls. 

   Three Men In A Boat, Jerome K. Jerome, 1889
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From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola)
Subject: Re: Forward the Foundation
Reply-To: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:56:10 GMT

YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes
>    Asimov, in one of the last editorials before his death, wrote a
> scathing attack on economics as a discipline,

Do you have a reference for that?

--
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From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
Subject: Re: Yet More on Languages in SF&F
Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:40:19 GMT

In article <9210140917.aa10164@msi8500.micros.com>, mike@micros.COM ("Michael J. Lonski") writes:
|> Here are yet some more comments on languages in SF & F.
|> 
|> This is stretching my memory a bit and my books are at home but...
|> 
|> I remember a short story in a collection, (Alan Dean Foster's "With Friends
|> Like These..."???), where a human gets into a conversation with a group of
|> aliens at a bar.  These aliens are technoligically superior but mention
|> being wary of humans because we use the same possesive, (ex. my father, my
|> car, my hand), for everything whereas they differentiate between all of
|> these cases.  To them, this makes the human's reactions very unpredictable
|> and therefore unsafe to meddle with.

A friend who grew up on the Gilbert Islands in the middle of the Pacific 
says that the language of the Gilbertese is very ancient. He calls it 
'Stone Age' but whether that is linguistically precise I don't know. 

In Gilbertese these are 3 words for mine. 

It is of special personal significance to me - rarely used.
I am using it or will use it shortly - commonly used.
I know no-one is using it so you can take it - commonly used

   Alan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Maidenhead itself is too snobby to be pleasant. It is the haunt of the
   river swell and his overdressed female companion. It is the town of showy
   hotels, patronized chiefly by dudes and ballet girls. 

   Three Men In A Boat, Jerome K. Jerome, 1889
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: eliz@ai.mit.edu (Elizabeth Willey)
Subject: Re: _Lord of Light_
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:45:33 GMT

Mike O'Brien writes:

   [...]
   I, too, have been disappointed in Zelazny's more recent output.  He does
   still occasionally pull off flashes, such as "27 Views of Mt. Fuji...",
   but the days of _Lord of Light_ seem to be just about over.  Too bad.

Interesting.  "...Mount Fuji" left me completely cold, even on second
reading; the third I just put it aside and shook my head.  I found the
female lead character (a departure from habit for Zelazny; I couldn't
think of another woman protagonist in any stories of his) to be
uninteresting and the central conflict of the story banal.  The few
flashes of dazzle and sparks in the writing couldn't overcome the
dullness of the plot.

This served to me to prove that if you set out to write down for any
length of time, as Zelazny intentionally did to make a living from his
work from the early Seventies onward, you *will* suffer brain damage.
The story was hailed as his best ever, and so on, and it just wasn't.
It was his best since the early Seventies.

A friend who has the same book of Hokusai prints that the author used
went through the prints as he read the story, and he assures me that
this adds considerably to the quality of the experience and spoke
admiringly of the way Zelazny had referred to and played off Hokusai's
images.  But the prints aren't distributed with the story; the story
has to stand alone, not base its excellence on outward-looking
in-jokes.


Elizabeth Willey
From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Kasprzak/Mann replies; was: IN DEFENSE OF VONNEGUT
Keywords: Sharkko, Korshak, Zelazny, Kickaha, Trout, Vonnegut
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:23:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University

I was not going to get involved, this is just too silly. I would like to point
out one small inconsistency:

gharlane@nextnet.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore) writes about Vonnegut:
>   (He called it that, once, in a lecture I attended.)

And later he said:
>   Sorry to disabuse you, but the only direct contact I've had with 
>   either of the gentlemen is their printed work.

Michael

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From: sej5g@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Susie Juroff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:36:21 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

Of all the McCaffrey books to dramatise, I think Crystal Singer
would be the best, not to mention the easiest to produce. I'd
only want to see it done if someone promised never to do the
sequels. Can you imagine the masses who would want to audition?!

--
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From: denebeim@brtph254.bnr.ca (Jay Denebeim P025)
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Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:02:19 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <1992Oct15.144651.27650@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
>How about some of Robert Anson Heinlein's books, presuming his
>widow would allow it.

>The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

Oh yeah.  Actually, that one would work really well.  It would make a
great trilogy.  Recall there are three parts to the book.  First they
overthrow the current government, then there is a lot of political
stuff ending in earth invading them, then there is the rest of the
war.  Great idea actually, it would make an excellent story, and its
not dated much at all.
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From: mich@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Michael Schuster 8726004 (Dipl Joe))
Subject: Re: author'n'title...
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA
Distribution: USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:06:22 GMT

baum-cjb013@email.comm.mot.com (Joe Baum) writes:

>In article <1992Sep28.213242.21458@newshost.unh.edu>, clc@kepler.unh.edu (Llamist Lliason) writes:
>> 
>> In article <1992Sep28.183203.14991@kth.se> TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE writes:
>> >
>> > hello! I remember reading a book a long time ago about some dude going to
>> >another planet keeping contact with earth. during his going over the surface
>> >he heard a voice saying something like "my brains for yours!", and this slime
>> >mold thing did something to him. back on earth he was able to transform to
>> >some kind of wolf-like creature, and he was hunted. this is all I remember.
>> > does any of this ring a bell? does anybody know what book this is??
>> >any replies appreciated!
>> 
>> Yeah.  It was called _Foundation._  I think Piers Anthony wrote it.
>>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^    ^^^^^ `````````````

I read Foundation twice (which is by Asimov, see below), but can
remember nothing about wolf-like creatures or slime mold or "my brain
for yours".
The mentioned book is not by Asimov as far as I can recall (I may be
wrong here), and certainly not Foundation.

>-<Junk Deleted>-
>What?!?!?!?!? _Foundation_ is an ASIMOV (notice...not ANTHONY). 
[....]
>Zzzzoootttt! Thanks for playing, Don Pardo, tell him what he's won.....

Michael Schuster
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From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Chanur Series
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:50:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

Michael Lynch writes:
>
>My question is, do you suppose that "Chanur's Venture" and "The
>Kif Strike Back" were originally one book, and that someone (Cherryh?
>An editor? DAW Books?) decided it was too long, and had to be split?

CHANUR'S VENTURE, THE KIF STRIKE BACK, and, whatwuzzit, CHANUR'S RETURN
were explicitly written as one novel, then split by DAW.  Much as THE
FADED SUN was, only that was more deftly handled by the editors.

	Larry "hello" Hammer
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From: lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (LYNN ALFORD)
Subject: Be warned possible spoilers Re: Tailchaser's Song
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Organization: Florida State University
Date: 15 OCT 92 10:20:49    

In article <1bi07uINN4ah@agate.berkeley.edu>, altam@ocf.berkeley.edu (Allen Tam) writes...
>I, too, thought this was a good read, and like one of the blurbs inside, a 
>must for any cat lover.  But it did seem to me a little too much like
>_Watership Down_.  For example, the colony of evil cats parallels the nasty
>rabbits in Watership.  Also, the tales of Lord Firefoot (?) and history of 
>the cats resembled the hero in the rabbits' legends.

Possible spoiler alert!


Yes but none of the legendary rabbit heros suddenly came back from a legend 
to rid the world of evil.  Lord Firefoot certainly did.  And the colony of 
evil cats had other, and even nastier things, in it.  The colony of evil 
rabbits only had rabbits.

>Another thing that kind of bothered me was the scene where Tailchaser
>was brought to that Jabba the Hut evil cat-god.  The image of all those 

Great description of the evil cat-god.

>animals pierced through and just writhing on various spikes was just a 
>little over the top, IMO.

True enough.  The evil done by the cat-god didn't need quite such graphics 
images.  Though that was enough to convince you that this really was evil.
:-)

Lynn
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Subject: Re: "A Fire Upon The Deep" by Vernor Vinge
From: sandy@mdcbbs.com (Wayne Sanders-Unrein)
Date: 14 Oct 92 09:57:05 GMT
Organization: VERY OLD PREAMBLE
Nntp-Posting-User: griffin

In article <3883@randvax.rand.org>, jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly) writes:
> In article <1992Oct13.181911.19455@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdr11@cl.cam.ac.uk (G.D. Rees) writes:
>>The evidence is pretty convincing:  Vinge reads Usenet.  But does he
>>contribute?  Perhaps more knowledgable posters than myself can answer
>>this question.
> 
	stuff deleted

> Yes, he has contributed in the past to comp.unix.wizards and comp.lang.c++,
> enough to demonstrate that he knew what he was talking about.  I haven't
> seen him on the net in the last 3 years, though, but then I haven't been
> watching those groups carefully.
> 

 He has contributed in the past month to comp.risks.

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