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From: abelbeck@tigger.jvnc.net (Lonnie R. Abelbeck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: VersaTerm
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:31:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: tigger.abelbeck.1075263957B
Organization: Abelbeck Software

In Article <1h0so7INNn1j@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
cq267@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeremy Fox) wrote:
>I'm interested in anyone's opinions, experiences, or factual knowledge
>about VersaTerm and VersaTerm Pro from Synergy Software.  Some specific
>questions follow. 
>
>1.  What is the difference between the Pro and the regular version?  Is
>it worth the extra $87 MacWarehouse charges?
VersaTerm-PRO offers Tektronix 4105 color graphics terminal emulation
and enhanced Tektronix 4014 graphics terminal emulation.  If DEC
VT100-VT220 text terminal emulation is good enough for your
application, then standard VersaTerm will do the job for you.

Both VersaTerm and VersaTerm-PRO come bundled with the "VersaTilities"
package which offers Telnet and FTP (CommToolbox tools), FTP Server
cdev/INIT, SLIP for MacTCP and MacTCP itself... among other goodies.

>2.  How does it compare in speed, ease-of-use, and features with other
>communications packages, specifically ZTerm, which I am currently using.
VersaTerm offers more terminal emulations, TCP/IP tools, SLIP support,
etc.  VersaTerm uses many tricks to make throughput as fast as
possible.

>3.  I believe either the comp.sys.mac.comm faq sheet or the
>mac-tcp-primer on Sumex states that VersaTerm can handle SLIP and TCP
>connections.  Is this true?
Yes.

>...Does it require MacSLIP and/or MacTCP?
VersaTerm has it's own SLIP (VersaTerm SLIP), in fact VersaTerm SLIP
was shipping before MacSLIP was.  Like MacSLIP, VersaTerm SLIP is a
extension to MacTCP, so in theory any application using MacTCP should
work with it.

>If SLIP is possible, can you run other TCP programs like Fetch or Gopher,
>or can you only run what comes with VersaTerm?
In theory, any application using MacTCP should work with VersaTerm
SLIP, and this have been (surprisingly) true in practice.  I am not
aware if any exceptions at this point in time.

>Finally, is the SLIP and
>TCP stuff, if there, in the basic package as well as the Pro version?
Yes, and if you just need the SLIP, or Telnet CTB tool, or FTP server
INIT, etc. the VersaTilities package can be purchased by itself for
about $60 mail order.

>Thanks for any help,
All good questions, glad to help.

Lonnie
Disclaimer: Author of VersaTerm, VersaTerm-PRO and VersaTilities.
==============================
+  Lonnie R. Abelbeck        +
+  Abelbeck Software         +
+  abelbeck@tigger.jvnc.net  +
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From: Eric.Choi@zeus.ieee.org (Eric Choi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: You get what you pay for? (Was Re: Eudora Support)
Date: 9 Dec 92 21:54:33 GMT
Organization: IEEE Service Center, Piscataway, NJ

There is no good dim sum in Michigan! 

  
  rm> Why do people find it so hard to understand why business people are
  rm> unsure about FREE software.  I mean if something goes wrong with free
  rm> software, more often than not, there is no one to call for help.
  rm> 
  rm> Sure...a lot of authors provide a nice internet address to send
  rm> problems to, but your average Joe or Jane the Accountant has no idea
  rm> what Internet is, let alone how to use it.  But fortunatley, these
  rm> poor chaps and chapettes (???) DO know how to call a simple 1-800-
  rm> tech support number. Now that doesn't mean that there isn't any
  rm> support for free software. But support for commercial software is an
  rm> right, not a privelage. Most people at my company would sooner buy
  rm> system 7.x and get a manual and a phone number then download it from
  rm> ftp.apple.com and figure out what a disk image is and what to do with
  rm> it.
  rm> 
  rm> My two cents worth (or 1.4 Canadian...)
  rm> 
  rm> Rick. United Technologies Research Center
  rm> 
  rm> --- Squish v1.01
  rm>  * Origin: zeus.ieee.org * [140.98.1.1]  (1:107/10)

I have to disagree. I use freeware and shareware if they serve my needs.

But time is money and people like us Joe Business is not stupid. We are
willing to pay more for commercial products because it's easy to call a
toll-free number or tech. support number or FAX them and get an answer asap.
Sometimes there are deadlines to be met (meaning potential income or loss) and
waiting for a person to respond via internet may take too long.

Another reason I can think of why a fool like I ordered the System 7 kit is
because it's worth the money. You do get more clout if you call up and state
that you own (i.e., paid for) the product, here is my serial number, and then
ask for help.

Finally, another advantage of commercial products, like it or not, is better
manual usually. A lot of the shareware stuff don't exactly have great manuals
and expect the user to rough it out or figure it out. 

--  
=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=
 Eric Choi - Internet: Eric.Choi@zeus.ieee.org
From: jahnke@biosci.arizona.edu (Jerome Jahnke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: **ATTN: Ripped off by Frank Price? (Hermes Author) ***
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:05:19 GMT
Organization: Biology Learning Center

In article <01050133.kkjf53@distant.uucp>, edw@distant.uucp (Ed Watkeys) writes:
> 
> 
> In article <1992Dec8.090857.1@tesla.njit.edu> (comp.sys.mac.comm), erh0362@tesla.njit.edu (Elliotte Rusty Harold) writes:
> > In article <1CE00001.kdm400@tbomb.ice.com>, time@ice.com (Tim Endres) writes:
> > > 
> > > In article <1992Dec5.142933.1@tesla.njit.edu> (comp.sys.mac.comm), erh0362@tesla.njit.edu (Elliotte Rusty Harold) writes:
> > >>     Seems to me this poster did inform everyone.  And I don't see that he did 
> > >> anything illegal.  Did Congress make unauthorized dissemination or 
> > >> possession of character strings illegal while I wasn't looking?
> > > 
> > > So we don't need to worry about posting your credit history string?
> > 
> > 
> >     Yes, you do.  There are specific laws protecting credit information.  
> > There are no such to my knowledge to protect serial numbers.
> > My point still stands.
> 
> So it's wrong to distribute credit card numbers because there's a law against
> it, but it's okay to distribute serial numbers to 'unlock' programs because
> there isn't? I thought we agreed a while ago that this is an issue of ethics,
> not legality. Would you distribute credit card numbers freely if there wasn't
> a law against it?

If it were just a question of ethics then this would not rage on as long as it
has. Both sides (myself included) have pointed out the relative legality of the
issue. What the poster did was certainly not ethical in any sense of the word 
(provided they are valid numbers). But the people who are doing the illegal
act are the ones using the numbers.

I think we all agree on the ethics portion of this, it is the legality that
is avoiding the light. The question might be, should it be illegal to post
registration numbers for a piece of software to an international network?

> > Elliotte Rusty Harold		Department of Mathematics
> 
> Ed
> 
> --
> Edwin H. Watkeys III                                   edw@distant.uucp
> Distant Software                               dsinc!jabber!distant!edw
> +1 215 387 7971                                     edw%distant@bts.com
> 

Jer,
----
Jerome Jahnke
Biology Learning Center
University of Arizona
'jahnke@biosci.arizona.edu' or +1 (602) 621-3820
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu (Bruce Carter)
Subject: Re: Looking for Supra ARA script, where?!
Organization: Boise State University - CBI Product Development
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:18:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.164340.1@vax1.umkc.edu> bfoulk@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>Does anybody happen to know where I can aquire the ARA script for a Supra
>v.42bis modem without having to call the Supra BBS long distance?  Thanks.

The Info-Mac archives at sumex-aim.stanford.edu has it, along with many others.
                                     <->
Bruce Carter, CBI Product Development                bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu
Simplot/Micron Instructional Technology Center       amccarte@idbsu (Bitnet)
Boise State University, Boise, ID  83725             (208)385-1851@phone
From: milleraw@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Andrew W. Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: How to modify ARA scripts?
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:26:16 GMT
Organization: Drexel University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2

In article <16DEC199213584120@pavo.concordia.ca> RUPNIK,
ce_rupn@pavo.concordia.ca writes:
>	What i would like to do now is to modify an existing script. The problem
>is that i guess you need some special software to do this, as RESEDIT
does not.
Andrew W. Miller ---------------------------------
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: Re: Network version of Mac application program ?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: SMIS, Massey University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:47:40 GMT

chchang@ncb.gov.sg (Chang Chen Hsien) wrote:

> Is anyone out there knows whether there is any application program
> like word processor, spreadsheet, graphics drawing program etc that 
> runs on multiuser environment (network version) ?
> 
> I have check with some of the local Mac software dealers and their
> reply is no. So, I do not know whether anyone in the internet have 
> come across these software. 
> 
> I would like to know the product name and where can I get it from.
> Thanks in advance.

Despite not having been written to do so, many applications will run with
multiple users off an AppleShare (or equivalent) file server.  The "Shared"
bit for the application just needs to be set using the "Get Info..." dialog
within ResEdit.  I know for sure the following applications work in that
environment: Word, MacWrite, WriteNow, Excel, MacDraw, SuperPaint,
MacProject and there are plenty of others.

--
Phil Etheridge               P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Macintosh Consultant         Phone: +64+6-356-9099 x8689
SMIS, Massey University      Fax:   +64+6-350-5611
Palmerston North, NZ         40*23'S 175*37'E,    GMT+13
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: peter@ncrpda.curtin.edu.au (Peter N Lewis)
Subject: Re: RFC: MacBinary extension to support folders
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Organization: NCRPDA, Curtin University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 12:25:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.193851.8070@netcom.com>, leonardr@netcom.com (Leonard
Rosenthol) wrote:

> 	True, they are broken - but what do you tell the end user when he
> just downloaded a huge file (at 1200/2400 baud) and it's toast becuase he
> used a "broken" program (say, White Knight), that never expected to see
> comments since no one actually used them until recently (to my knowledge
> NONE of the standard Mac telecom software sends or receives comments).

The point here is that they don't have to support the feature, just decode
the file as specified in the MacBinary II spec.  All that means is reading
two ints from the header (the comment length and extended header length),
rounding them both up to 128 byte multiples and reading and ignoring that
many bytes after the header.  Not exactly stressful coding (ok, ok, so
early versions of FTPd didn't handle extended headers, it does now though
:-).

Of course, I'm more than happy to have the commercial programs not support
MacBinary comments... it makes Fetch & FTPd look better :-)

Have fun all,
   Peter.
PS: I got almost zero comments (except for some useful comments by Leonard)
back on extending MacBinary to handle folders, so I guess I'll just figure
out what will do what I want and go with that.  I'm still tossing up going
all the way and extending the spec to include crc's on both forks as well
as folders...

_______________________________________________________________________
Peter N Lewis <peter@ncrpda.curtin.edu.au>           Ph: +61 9 368 2055
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: mark@cheers.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning)
Subject: Re: Dialogs and Scrolling
Organization: NASA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:38:34 GMT

Yes!  That's exactly what I am trying to do.  I have a dialog (with
a form saved as a PICT image) and the entry fields are all editable.
I'm trying to be able to move the form around so I can see all of it
when I want to.  I'll try the code you sent.  Thanks again!  :)
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: Background your Sound!
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:55:44 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Dec11.215300.2937@hobbes.kzoo.edu>, k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie R. McCarthy) writes:
> ingemar@isy.liu.se (Ingemar Ragnemalm) writes:
>>
>>Speaking of asynchronous sound, what are the "rules" about several channels
>>open at once? I have tried to make two channels for sampled sounds on an
>>LC...  I get "not enough hardware".
>
> I've heard this from other people, but I'll personally affirm that one
> can get two channels open on an LC.  Maybe if you showed us your code?
>
> On my IIci, one "good-quality" channel takes about 18% of the CPU
> time.  I think it's a trifle over 30% on the LC.

It also depends on what you ask the channel to do. Playing a single channel
of MACE compressed sound takes 48% of the CPU on my LC (or so the Sound
Manager says). I can indeed play two such channels at once, and *everything*
else on the machine (particularly screen drawing!) slows to a c-r-a-w-l.

With uncompressed sound, I have had 3 channels open at once with no problem,
sometimes even 4. I think getting the 4th channel had something to do with
not requesting sample-rate conversion, but it's been a while since I
experimented with it. I remember getting that 30% figure when opening the
first channel, but as I recall subsequent channels only increased the
utilization by something like 18% each.

I managed to fool the Sound Manager once (I must figure out how to do it
again) and open enough channels to take the CPU utilization over 100%.
Things sort of ran, but it wasn't a great deal of fun. :-)

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: +64-7-856-2889
Computer Services Dept                     fax: +64-7-838-4066
University of Waikato            electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: j.cook@primerd.prime.com (C. James Cook)
Subject: PICTs print slow?
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:28:24 GMT

I print a picture from Adobe Photoshop.  It takes a minute or two on my
ancient Apple LaserWriter Plus.

I convert it to a PICT (8 bit, 16 bit, 32 bit - doesn't matter) and insert
it into a document in MacWrite II.  The page with the PICT can take 30 - 60
minutes to print, easily.  (No, MacWrite II does not recognize EPSF or TIFF
format files, sigh.)

I even printed the Macwrite page to postscript file, then spooled it to a
30 page per minute QMS/Imagen printer with a fast RISC processor.  Only 
marginally faster!

What gives?  This is wierd.

Jim
From: d88-jwa@cyklop.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: text to speech
Date: 13 Dec 92 21:44:46 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In <1gfsv8INNh91@crcnis1.unl.edu> clemen@unlinfo.unl.edu (cliff lemen) writes:

>Any one know the status of Apples new text to speech program to 
>replace MacinTalk?  Is it out, how good is it?

Not out, reasonably good. There are several engines,
actually, with different memory requirements (and cost :-)

Cheers,

						/ h+

-- 
 -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --

   Speed is arbitrary. Don't believe me? Try a PowerBook 180 running
   System 7 against a 486 laptop running Windows 3.1.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: absurd@apple.apple.com (Tim Dierks, software saboteur)
Subject: Re: Uniquely identifying a Mac? How?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:02:49 GMT
Organization: MacDTS Marauders
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer

In article <1gm3ioINN9uh@calvin.NYU.EDU>, roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy
Smith) wrote:
> 
> d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) writes:
> >If you run MacTCP, each mac will have/get its own IP address;
> >likewise, EtherNet cards have a 6-byte EtherNet address that's
> >unique in the world.

[ Stuff about MacTCP configurations ]

> 	Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, unless your Mac has an ethernet
> (or, presumably, token ring) port, there is no built-in unique way to
> identify the machine.  I personally think it was a major mistake for Apple
> to not have put some sort of machine-readable serial number in each machine.

Well, the Lisa had a unique serial number in each machine; as I
understand, it was burned into a special PROM on the motherboard.
This was a major headache at the time, which is why it wasn't
continued in the Mac.  The biggest single problem was serviceing
these machines; if the PROM blew, you had to special-order a
PROM that matched the one that had been destroyed (or all your
copy-protected software wouldn't work anymore) or have to go and
tell a number of software companies that your PROM blew so you need
a new unlocked copy of their program.  If something else on the
machine broke, or you wanted to upgrade, and you wanted to swap
motherboards, you had to deal with swapping the serial PROMs too.

In the end it was much more trouble than it was worth, and its
only real purpose was copy-protection, and copy-protection is
generally easily worked around, so it was taken out of the Mac.

Tim Dierks
MacDTS, but today my shoes match!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: zkessin@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Zach, the Lego Maniac)
Subject: Looking for cross-assembler
Keywords: asm cross eprom
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:52:07 GMT

I am looking for a 68000 asm that will let me take the binary and use
it to burn an eprom. IE i Dont want ANY mac dependent code at all. Can
I do think with mpw asm or is there some other product that will do it
it? 

thanks for any help

--Zach
  Zachary Kessin  zkessin@cs.brandeis.edu
 real.world: I don't think the news server gets that group!    

Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.programmer:19881 comp.sys.mac.misc:20697
From: fang@phy.duke.edu (Fang Zhong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Fast Screen Plotting Routine
Keywords: Where to get it?
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:19:48 GMT
Followup-To: poster


	I would like to turn my Mac II screen as an oscilloscope or a chart
while the mac is taking data.
	Are there any PD or cheap commercial packages available which allow
to link to my C source codes?
	So far I just used QD commands, it is quite slow when 2000 points
were plotted on one fly.
	Thanks in advance for any replies.
-- 
	Fang Zhong				1-919-660-2524
	Duke University Dept. of Physics	fang@phy.duke.edu
	Durham, N.C.      27706			
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie R. McCarthy)
Subject: I will kill or die for this tool
Organization: Kalamazoo College
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:35:40 GMT

(Not that it would help me much if I were dead, I guess...)

Might some enterprising developer want to write a Macsbug dcmd that will
keep track of the state of a handle/resource?  It would trap _HLock,
_HUnlock, _HPurge, _HNoPurge, _AddResource, _DetachResource,
_ReleaseResource, and _DisposHandle, oh yeah and _HSetState too.  You
tell it to keep track of a certain handle, and to drop into Macsbug when
its state changes a certain way.

See, I have this resource, and the code goes through some incredible
gyrations to keep it locked when necessary and unlocked when not, and
it's screwing up somewhere between function X and function Y.  If I
could just break into Macsbug at X, find the resource, tell this dcmd to
keep its eye out for any calls that unlock it, and continue, I'd be home
free.  I've been trying to track it down, and after several hours and
thousands of lines of code (one at a time), I'm not any closer.

Does anything like this exist already?  Can it be done with a macro
(break on these a-traps, check the state byte, continue iff the locked
bit is set)?  Does anyone with lots of free time want to write it?
Or should I tack this onto my Things I'd Really Like To Write list?
-- 
 Jamie McCarthy      Internet: k044477@kzoo.edu      AppleLink: j.mccarthy
 "As you should know by now, we're strong believers in the Apple II
  and always will be.  But we can't ignore reality forever."
    - Tom Weishaar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: billw@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (William P. White)
Subject: Powerbook 160 & MIDI
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:45:22 GMT

Someone recently requested some information on how to get
the powerbooks to work with MIDI (getting around the serial
port problem).

A friend and I installed Vision 1.1 on his powerbook 160.  I
am using an Opcode Studio Plus 2 MIDI interface and a Roland
U20 keyboard.  I have a 4way switch box which is between the
MIDI interface and the serial port of the PB.  BTW - you must
have a special cable to go between a switch box and your serial 
port.  I found that out the hard way.  The switch box has nothing
to do with the fix; I am just describing my setup.

We played heavy sequences and I did not notice any timing errors
of any type.  We also recorded several tracks of stuff on many
different MIDI channels without any problems.  However, we did
not use any continuous controllers to tax the system.  It is 
possible with alot of tracks of dense data playing while recording
a new track, one may encounter timing problems.

I have just ordered Vision 1.4 and was told over the phone by
Opcode that a fix would be availible in about a month.  This 
suggest to me that these serial port problems have more of an
effect when OMS is used with later versions of Vision.

So, to summerize, Vision 1.1 works fine on a PB160 with my rig.
Vision 1.32a and after I am told will have problems.
Opcode will release something in about a month to fix this problem.

I hope this answers some questions.

Bill White
From: sgccncr@citec.oz.au (Nick Russell)
Subject: Bourne Shell for Mac
Organization: CITEC
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:53:33 GMT

Does anybody know if a shell command interpreter (ie. a Bourne shell) exists
for System 7 ?  That is for raw System 7 not A/UX.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: sage.cc.purdue.edu (Broc Seib)
Subject: Re: Getting 'Sharing Setup' info from system? (Q)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:57:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.234452.13698@netcom.com>, milligan@netcom.com
(Michael Milligan) wrote:
> 
> I'm interested in getting the name the user has entered in the Sharing Setup
> control panel for registration purposes in an application I'm writing.  Can
> anybody tell me how this is done?
> 
> -M

Do this:
	Open the system file with ResEdit. Look in the 'STR ' resource. Open ID's
	-16096 and -16413 respectively. These are the Pascal Strings that have
been
	entered as the Owner and the Machine Name respectively. You must use
	the Resource Manger Routines (naturally) to access these strings.

-broc
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