HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hnkst2@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Hanhwe han Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Kwangju Uprising Info Request
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:47:44 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

(Leon Zing-Ding Lee) writes:
>In addition, can anyone explain to me the political differences or personal
>animosities which compelled the Director of Korean-CIA Kim Chae-Gyu to
>assassinate President Park Chung-Hee on Oct. 26th, 1979 ?

See if you can find a translation of the transcription of the
Kim Chae-gyu trial. I haven't seen it myself, and I'm not sure
if its available, but his testimony is supposed to be quite
surprising.

Based upon various heresay and rumors I had heard, Kim and Park had been
friends since childhood. Among Park's close circle, there was rivalry
between Kim and Cha Ji-Cheol, the head of Presidential guards (the
Korean version of the Secret Service). Cha was notorious for being
ill-mannered and unruly, but he was a close favorite of Park. Kim
felt that Cha was a very bad influence for Park, and their rivalry
surfaced when very large demonstrations broke out in Pusan and
Masan earlier that year. Cha was supposed to have urged Park for
a severe crackdown which Kim had opposed. Park tended to favor Cha
and started to leave Kim out of important decisions. The animosity
grew and lead to the assasination, where Kim killed both Park and
Cha.

-han kim
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: "Superiority"
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:51:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr13.015123.5059
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University

In article <1992Apr12.165104.21124@seas.gwu.edu>, se020151@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok Lee) writes:
<horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
<: In article <22649@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang) writes:
<
<: <Oh-baek-won-jjari pihaengi-lul taeuji massayo !
<: 
<: I never take anyone on five-won airplane rides.  Mine are always at least
<: six or seven won--eight or nine if I'm in a good mood.  :-)
<
<You really should brush up on your korean.

YOU are telling ME?!

<Baek means hundred, so it
<says five-hundred won.

And the correct saying is _Owo<ncchari..._.

<Actually the verb form of "to ride" is wrong,
<but you did not catch it.  If the statement above is translated
<exactly, it would say: "Don't let a five-hundred Won airplane ride."
<The verb form "taeuja" means to give a ride or let someone ride.

Yes, and it's also _pihaenggi_, not _pihaengi_.  I didn't want to be too
hard on poor Joe; his ignorance speaks for itself.

<-Unfortunately on this board, many readers try to enlighten each other
<about the Korean language without knowing it themselves.

Indeed.  Perhaps I should give some Korean lessons to people like Joe and you.

					--Scott

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ckim@galluj
Subject: Re: Cha Mak - closed caption decoder
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:20:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.195800.3643@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.131813.25304@hellgate.utah.edu> kim%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kwansik Kim) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr12.220148.1@galluj> ckim@galluj writes:
>>> [Korean/English Closed Caption Decoder being only marketed as English
>     learning tool and ignoring the handicapped people]
> 
>>Well, I think it is another scam that business-oriented people created 
>>using the fact that Koreans are too anxious to learn English.

Most of people think "deaf" as bad luck. When two deaf friends entered a
restaurant in Seoul, Korea, its manager or owner was unpleasant because he might
think bad luck to his business.

> 
> I am not exactly sure how it works, but I heard from people that only
> selected programs are televised with the embedded codes which are necessary
> for the decoder.  They weren't too happy because most of the programs they
> liked to see cannot be decoded.   Does anyone know how it works?

ABC, NBC, CBS, etc. are improving many programs with closed caption.
Three years ago, ABC world news had closed caption while NBC and CBS did not.
Many programs with closed caption are growing up. HBO has c.c., too, etc.
To know programs with cc, check TV guide if they have "CC".
   
> All in all, this is just another example showing that the handicapped are
> largely ignored in Korean society...

That's true. Even though Korea is old enough (2000 years old), its government
is still indifferent in need of deaf people as well as the disabled.

>>
>>Kwansik Kim
> 
> Andy KIm

a deaf person, Cheol Kim
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: "Superiority"
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:34:51 GMT
Reply-To: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com ()
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division

> <and that the People's Republic 
> <is Taiwan's "legitimate government".  
> 
> It is.
> 

I can also claim I am the legitimate owner of the residence of Scott Horne.
Even I don't reside there in any single second.



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From: f8zy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Mr. Horne
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:52:21 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

Just my 2 cents...

About Mr. Scott Horne...

This is a theory of a friend of mine (yeah right...)

He was probably dumped by a Korean girl... hehehe
He then got himself a Chinese girl... hehehe
Now he is pissed off at the Koreans and loves the Chinese...

Well, all that is for naught if Mr. Horne is Chinese himself I guess...

Flame ON!

JYSH
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: article 2330
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 19:55:38 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

I was off on my vacation to Florida.
After missing few weeks, I found someone's followup
by the article #.
There was brief explanation by someone; but
more precisely and most of the school site
article # is decided by which NNTP server you are
accessed unless you maintain your own news-feed out
from the net.
'rrn/rn' uses environment var. - NNTPSERVER to find
the server machine you are connected to get the
news-article if you don't have it locally available
(including AFS/NFS mounted).

The conlusion: I have no clue what the article was.
I guess it would be O.K for me to request the repost
if it is good and worthy.

FYI, you can play with this NNTPSERVER var. to get the
(possibly) different set of newsfeed (sometimes, in case
of multiple nntp server, bigger (disk) machine always
keeps more articles longer (again, article # in .newsrc
won't be necessarily consistant between diff. nntp server).
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	dskim@eng.umd.edu
From: park@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tae-Dong Park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Looking for Jong-gi Park....
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:47:04 GMT
Reply-To: park@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tae-Dong Park)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: park@dumbo.cc.utexas.edu


	Hello everybody !


Sorry for posting my personal stuff here.  But I'm looking for a guy.
His name is Jong-gi Park. I've heard that he is studying in Oklahoma, U.S.
His major must be Chemical engineering if he didn't change his original
specialty. He has worked for Korea Telecom(old name=KTA) for 3 years.

If there is anyone who knows his e-mail address, phone number, etc,
please send mail to  park@archimedes.ae.utexas.edu.

Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: woongki@syacus.acus.oz.au (Woong-Ki Chong)
Subject: Re: Korean writing system (psycho-linguistics of)
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:35:48 GMT

horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:

>In article <1992Apr5.014641.457@yvax.byu.edu>, evensens@yvax.byu.edu writes:

><You can't be serious here Scott. It is VERY difficult to read Han'gu<l that
><has been written out in a series and not in the proper syllable form.

>(But I'll say it now.
>The only reason it's difficult for you to read _han'gu<l_ written in series
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>is that you're not used to it.)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not true at all.

According to psycho-linguistic theory, there are two ways of processing
a written language by the human brain.

First is by pattern matching.
For example, a person seeing "CAT" would scan through the "vocabulary"
in his brain which has a similar visual letter pattern such as

	BAT
	HAT
	MAT
	CATERPILLAR
	CAR
	CAN
	.
	.
	.
	etc,

until he finds "CAT" and the associated attributes to it, such as the picture
of a cat.

Another is by working out the sound associated with the word first, and
searching by the phonetics.

Reading a Chinese text would consist probably almost entirely of visual
pattern matching, whereas reading texts in Roman alphabet, such as English,
relies heavily on the phonetics although some pattern matching is used
as well.

Reading han'gul text, IMHO, involves a well balanced mixture of both
phonetics and pattern matching.

Thus, having read the han'gul text in the form of a series of separate
letters, means abandonning an important brain capability (ie. visual pattern
matching) necessary in reading.



& Perhaps han'gul is superior after all.


>					--Scott

Woong-Ki
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: "Superiority"
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:10:22 GMT
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University

Mr. Huang, your Korean is pretty good!  I can't tell you how right you are
in writing systems, but I'll say you have a right approach in learning the
foreign culture.  With respect.

Now, could you do me a little favor next time?  Can you make sure you don't
go over 80 char/line?  If the line keeps wrapping around, us mortals with
text terminals have a problem scrolling.   Thanks.   :)

In article <22645@dog.ee.lbl.gov> yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang) writes:

>Concerning Taiwan, he has irritated readers by saying 
>Taiwan has neither culture nor any achievements in the last 40 years, that
>it has 
>only "sleazy" South Korea and South Africa as friends, and that the
>People's Republic  
>is Taiwan's "legitimate 		

Actually, I also came across with this in s.c.c and posted a follow-up
there.  In the article, I said I won't post it here unless Scott Horne
wants to, because I really hate to start YASFW (Yet Another Stupid Flame
War) here.  (Not that I want it to happen in s.c.c.  :) )  I still can't
post it here, but since you people found it out, read s.c.c. if you are
interested. 

Warning: About half of s.c.c. is dedicated to a flame war between Scott
Horne and CFA (Chinese Flamers Association).  If you want to miss all that,
look for "Six-Year National" from the header.  The thread I branched out is
under "Sleazy Countries".

I am not promoting flames.  I am discouraging it.  Whatever the cause is,
and whoever the guy is, name-calling on the net does not help anything.
If you really dislike the guy, please keep it to e-mail.  So far we have
had it here more than enough.

OK, I said something in s.c.c., but I couldn't resist...  :)

Andy Kim
jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jaeho@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jae Ho Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: "Superiority"
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:44:02 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr12.102529.28416@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>
><>Scott Horne (_Han'gungmal'o Scott Horne hamnida_).
>
>Typo; I was paying too much attention to your strangely punctuated line.
>Give me a break.  Or, as you said:
>
><Oh-baek-won-jjari pihaengi-lul taeuji massayo !
>
>I never take anyone on five-won airplane rides.  Mine are always at least
			^^^^^^^^
			scott !!! he said, five hundred won...
			watch out your step...you've started to reveal yourself.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Language
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 20:54:46 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

Rescently, there has been huge waste(?) of bandwidth due to the
discussion on the history of Korean (Hangul).

I've junked most of the articles due to the huge quote w/o
comments; but I've read them if they look reasonably short.

To me, the history of Hangul does not apeal for any; whatever
is true, it may be important to trace the relation between
diff. tribes; but again, the pronuciation seems to be of more
importance than the writing system (hangul).

The only thing I appreciate is that I don't have to spend my life
learning old Chinese; so I don't have to give up my SNES, Genisis
, TG16, PC-games, Xtank, acm....

However, there's one question I want to ask.
While I was browsing Mr. Horne's article, there was something about
Chinese scholar's inventing Hangul.

Is this historically true? Not just consulting but he mentioned
that it was Chinese who invented Hangul under King Sejong if
I remember correctly.

P.S.: I want to request the following:
	"Please, consider the reader and keep the quoted as
	short as possible!"
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From: jtyrkko@vipunen.hut.fi (Juha-Petri Tyrkk|)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korean writing system (Why question ?)
Keywords: Finnish
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:03:15 GMT
Reply-To: jtyrkko@vipunen.hut.fi (Juha-Petri Tyrkk|)
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology

In article <1992Apr4.221723.6717@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu>
  John Rogers writes:

> P.S.  The Teach Yourself Finnish mentioned that certain sounds have changed
>       over from the past...I'd like a cooment or two from Juha-Petri Tyrkko.

  As my answer to this took a lot of room, I answered it by e-mail.
Please feel free to mail me if anyone of you have topics or points
that need more discussion.

                                          Juha-Petri Tyrkko
From: anlyyao@igc.org (An-Ly Yao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: the real superior language
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:15:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473700011:000:301
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Apr  6 07:15:00 1992


If the topic is "superiority", than forget Hangul and look at chemical communi-
cation. Milliards (or somthing more or less) ants are using it - ant, oops, and
will keep using it still many many many years after humans stopped communicatingby means of whatsoever anyway  8-)
							Goetz Kluge, Seoul
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: thies@bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de (Heinz-Georg Thies)
Subject: lean managment?
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 11:59:08 GMT



What is "lean managment" and "lean production"?

"Lean xxx" seems to be the new buzzword pretending to explain the 
Japanese and Korean superiority over the European Industry. As far as 
I understand it, the main points are fewer managers per worker and 
better flow of information from the workers to the managment even 
ignoring hierachical barriers.

A friend of mine has to write a paper on this topic. To base his 
claims on some facts he needs information on the managment structure 
of Japanese and Korean Industry.

He would much appreciate information or pointers to literature on:

-How many subordinates per manager?

-How many layers of managment from workshop to general manager?

-Who reports to whom?

especially concerning Japanese and Korean Industry, but information on 
other countries may be useful too.

Thank You very much for Your support.



Heinz-Georg Thies                       Sektion Physik der Universitaet Muenchen
Phone: (+49 89)3209 4071                Am Coulombwall 1
                                        D-8046 Garching, Germany
Internet: thies@charly.bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.japan
From: markc@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Need email address for Scott Evenson
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:02:39 GMT

Like the subject says...
From: ywlee@sunc7.cs.uiuc.edu (Youngwhan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Super-set system
Keywords: Korea, writing system
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:16:57 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

I wrote,

>OK. Just one more contribution to this thread....

>In <1992Apr10.020413.15113@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:

>>Everything Mr. Hungshik Shin and Mr. Youngwhan Lee say is true.  And I
>>agree on their technical merit.  The question comes down to, as Mr. Andy T.
>>Kim pointed out, "do you care"?  I do not care....

>Did you go thru all those discussions to simply to conclude "you don't 
>care"? How convenient!

I take this back. This was an unnecessary flame (although it wasn't my
intention).

youngwhan.
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From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: "Superiority"
Date: 11 Apr 1992 07:55:29 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

Well, Scott, you just showed all our Korean friends exactly how much 
Korean you do know. 

>Scott Horne (_Han'gungmal'o Scott Horne hamnida_).

For your information, what you wrote was "In Korean, I do Scott 
Horne (?)".  See if you have better luck figuring out this phrase:

Oh-baek-won-jjari pihaengi-lul taeuji massayo !

Joe Huang (hangungmalo Hwang Uk-irago hamnida)
                               ^^^^^
             "by the name of", i.e., "In Korean, my name is Hwang Uk"
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: "Superiority" (Re: Representation of Korea in East Asian Studies)
Keywords: Korea, East Asian Civilization
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:40:34 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1992Apr5.063257.11418@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.032330.8059@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, js92@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jungshik  Shin) writes:
><In article <1992Apr5.005926.8290@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
><
>[In response to a claim that the _han'gu<l_ alphabet is perhaps "the best":]
><>Not best.  It seems pretty good for Korean; it might not be so great for
><>Tamil or Zulu.

Actually, my guess is that Han'gu<l would be excellent for both Tamil
and Zulu.  It would be very good for Finnish too.  It would be more
difficult to make it work for Russian or English.

><    Do you mean Zulu in Africa(please excuse me for my possible
><    ignorance)?
>
>I know of no other Zulu.
>
><    If you mean so, no reason that Hangul is good for it
><    considering a great distance bet. two languages.
>
>_Han'gu<l_ might turn out to be very good for it.  The Roman and Cyrillic
>alphabets are fine for some languages thousands of miles from Europe.

Well, let's see what it would take to design a han'gu<lisation for a
non-Korean language?  Han'gu<l has a rather limited set of letters for
consonants, but more can easily be added if needed.  It has a fair
number of letters of vowels.  But the manner of writing in syllables,
which is an inalienable property of han'gu<l, has been invented with
the Korean syllable structure (max. CVCC) in mind.  It would not
accommodate too well a language with heavier consonant clusters.

>My point was that the fact that _han'gu<l_ is good for Korean does not imply
>that other languages' writing systems are just as good for them.

Is that "... are not just as good for them"?

><><Hangul is not based on Chinese letter
><><forms, the characters in hangul based on the organs' shape in mouth, which 
><><generate the sounds.

Let's put it like this: The mapping of han'gu<l letters to sounds is
based on the resemblance between the letters and the shape of the
speech organs.  The shapes of the letters themselves, the order of
writing the strokes of which they consist, and the way in which they
are put together into syllables, reveal the Chinese training of their
designers.  I don't see anything wrong with accepting this.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Gosh
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:50:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.124710.11605@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, f8zy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
<In article <1992Apr9.053317.5468@cs.yale.edu>,
<horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes: 
<> In article <1992Apr7.235719.11566@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, f8zy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
<
<> <I'm very interested in finding out if there are any HYUN's out there...
<> <It seems to be a very rare name and so far I've only encountered 2 other 
<> <Hyun's besides my family... (here in the states not Korea...)
<> 
<> From your manners--or rather lack thereof--one might suppose that you're
<> the son of Attila the HYUN.

Thanks to all those who congratulated me on this clever one-liner.

< Actually I've been called that in High school by my english teacher

I'm not surprised.  Your brazenness goes way back.

<It seems very easy for you to reply to any response given to your postings
<whether intelligent or not... (I'm sure you'll think of a GREAT response to
<this one.)

Too bad; you've already found it.

<What is your nationality?

Didn't I just tell you?  It's none of your goddam business.

<I'd like to make it my business to know...

You'd do well to mind your own business--and grow up a bit.

<BTW notice that while many people responded to your posting, I've yet to
<read one which reflects positively on your opinion... (except your own of
<course...)

You haven't been paying much attention, then.  I guess that's another habit
your teachers tried (unsuccessfully) to correct.

<P.S. I did not realize that Horne was a Korean surname...

Now you do.

					--Scott

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