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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: SILENCERS?????
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:56:50 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1gr9uvINNlj9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> crm4@po.CWRU.Edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>
> 	Honestly, I think it is downright foolish for anyone to
>worry about the FFL's laws on paintball silencers. What are they 
>going to do? Send special agents after you and arrest you???

Yes, I remember reading an old anti-gun article in the Village Voice where
the BATF ended up sending agents to people's homes.  I don't remember much
about the article except it dealt with some machinegun (MAC-10?, auto-sear)
kit that turned a semi-auto into a full-auto weapon.  The original gun dealer
didn't keep a good paper trail to track down where all the kits were sent so
the ATF agents turned to UPS shipping logs to track down each and every kit 
that was sold.  

Paintball silencers are in the gray area of the law.  Much thought on silencers
,paintball or otherwise, has been discussed on *.sports.paintball and on rec.gun
s.  Many commercial fields ban silencers for a good reason.  While federal laws
permit legal ownership of silencers, provided they're registered and you paid
the $200 tax, state to state laws are usually much more restrictive.  Any local
district attorney wishing to make a name for himself can prosecute the local
paintball field for violating gun laws.  Doesn't matter if the local DA can't
prove his case or not because damage is already done.  The public image of
paintball because more negative (we're seen as camo wearing, gun toting, 
illegal silencer using folks.)  The field owner's lawyer probably earned a 
new BMW or boat while the field owner goes bankrupt.  The local DA gets a
pat on the back for "looking out for public safety".  If you don't think
this can happen look at the actions of the city of Boston and the city of Newark
this past summer on super soaker type water guns.

Granted that many commercial paintball silencers don't live up to their names
and the home made version is probably more effective, but this country has
very restrictive silencer laws, from 1934?, that we all must respect.  If you
don't like the law then go lobby your local politician to change it.
-- 
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space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 06:48:08 EST
From: Tad Simmons <SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: RE: Excessive ball breakage
 <1992Dec15.165157.1@cc.helsinki.fi>

In article <1992Dec15.165157.1@cc.helsinki.fi>, haldin@cc.helsinki.fi says:
>
>In article <3090@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill Carter)
>writes:
>> In article <88513@bcsaic.boeing.com> tazumar@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ronald      )
>Tazuma
>writes:
>>>
{stuff deleted }
>If the humidity is this high, you have to pack the balls at home and
>only put as much into the feeder that you will need during the next
>minutes of play.
>
>It would be interesting to know if anybody in warm/high humidity
>surroundings (Florida?) have the same problem.
>
Not that I've ever noticed, and I've played in most of the vagaries of Florida
weather.  I personally have never had much trouble at all with ball breakage
that didn't seem to bo due to bad paint.  On only 2 occasions (out of 3+ years
of semiregular playing) have I had problems with balls constantly breaking in
the barrel.  So, in my experience, I haven't noticed a variation wrt humidity,
but maybe we get special paintballs...   ;)

-Tad


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From: petekunz@iiic.ethz.ch (Peter John Kunz)
Subject: Re: Shorter barrels
Keywords: paintball breakage
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:59:38 GMT

In article <88751@bcsaic.boeing.com> tazumar@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ronald Tazuma) writes:
>
>I'm thinking of trying to use a short 5-6inch barrel on my Illustrator.
>The colder weather has lead to increased ball breakage, so I was
>thinking of getting a brass barrel and shortening it to the 5-6inch
>range.  Has anyone had luck with this yet?  Will honing out the barrel
>also reduce chances of breakage? 

Pro Team Products has just started shipping short Armson barrels. they hjave found that barrel;s can be cut down to about 5" wihtout loss of accuracy

>Has anyone experimented with drill holes along the bottom or top 
>of a barrel exclusively to place a forward or backward spin on the paintballs
>yet?

yes, but the impression i got was that they received the screw spin and circled in on the target

cu
-pete



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From: asimeone@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (antonio simeone)
Subject: Re: Smart Parts Barrel??????
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:00:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.001419.5662@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.183241.515@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
>B
>>Heh, I suppose the dialogue at the department store would go something like
>>this...
>>
>>me: I'm looking for some bath oil beads...
>>salesperson: We have them in many sizes, what size do you need?
>>me: Uhhhh...68 caliber...?
>>
>Hmm, think people would look at me strange if I walked into Victoria's Secret or
>the Body Works and head straight for the bath oil beads section with a 16"
>rifled barrel in my hands?  Unlike the mess created by broken paintballs you're
>gun gets cleaner with every bad shot.  (^-^)
>
>-- 
wouldn't bath oil beads put out a nice smell too?  Seems like they'd put
an end to wipes, kinda hard to wipe off a smell...

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From: Brad_Murray@mindlink.bc.ca (Brad Murray)
Subject: Re: Short Barrels
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:16:23 GMT

> 25815-leary writes:
>
> Someone posted a entry stating that Pro Team Products was now shipping
> 5"-6" barrels and found that no accuracy was lost (I assume this means
> no loss from their standard Armson 12" barrel).  Has anyone has any
> expeience using a barrel this short?  I have the "short" Smart Parts
> barrel for my Automag, but this is still 10" long.  I'd love to be
> able to reduce barrel length to  5 or 6 inches without sacrificing
> accuracy.

I took a 12" Bud Orr barrel, sawed and beveled it in the machine shop here to
5" length and threaded it for use in my PMI - III.  Make for great indoor
play as the forward mounted 3.5 oz. bottle leaves a very small overall
length.  The barrel is as accurate as ever for short ranges, but I wouldn't
recommend it for the long engagement ranges encountered outdoors.
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From: crm4@po.CWRU.Edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Smart Parts Barrel??????
Date: 15 Dec 1992 01:57:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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	Even better than a Smart Parts Barrel is about an hour
of time with a Bridgeport and an indexing head!  You can EASILY
make your own rendition of the Smart Parts Barrel, at no expense.
Just remember to hone the interior, because there are plenty'o
burrs after machining. By the way, I found that it is best to 
drill the holes w/ an endmill of the correct O.D., rather than
a drill bit (much less flex).
You would be downright foolish to actually pay what they are getting
for these barrels, unless, of course, you have no machine shop
access, in which case it sucks to be you.
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From: bjs@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Subject: Re: Short Barrels
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 09:15:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.172447.28405@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> bru@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com writes:
>
>Someone posted a entry stating that Pro Team Products was now shipping
>5"-6" barrels and found that no accuracy was lost (I assume this means
>no loss from their standard Armson 12" barrel).  Has anyone has any
>expeience using a barrel this short?  I have the "short" Smart Parts
>barrel for my Automag, but this is still 10" long.  I'd love to be
>able to reduce barrel length to  5 or 6 inches without sacrificing
>accuracy.

10" ?  I heard about a 12" before, but not a 10".  I am tring to sell
my 14" Smart Parts for the AutoMag, anybody interested.  I will part
with it for $70.00 (Cost $99) new.  I need money to pay for a Whispering
Death.  This barrel is 3 months old without any visable use.

Bjs



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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Smart Parts Barrel??????
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:02:15 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Dec15.043350.29687@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
>right equipment, you may be able to extrude your own Co2 bottles of any
>size.  On more step, with the right tools, you should be able to
>manufacture your own paintballs to go with your full custom gun.
>
Albert, don't be silly.  No need to make your own paintballs when you can
use bath oil beads.

-- 
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space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

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From: zimmerma@acs.ucalgary.ca (Louis Victor Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: New Buyer
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 10:37:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Dec10.160223.851@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923265@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>I would not rush out to buy a Ranger. I think that USI makes them and they do
>not have the best reputation.  I know that my Derringer's bottle broke 
>three times in one year.  If you want safety, you want a Vents system
>mask.  Look at the Traacer or even a Bushmaster as a good pump.
>

The only Ranger I can remember seeing advertised is the
entry-level Bud Orr gun.  It's a decent pump.  The last one I
played against lit me up quite nicely... the owner was so good
with the auto-trigger that I thought I'd run into a flippin'
Automag! 
       Pumps? Hear the Trracer's good, Bushmaster's supposed to
be excellent, liked the Phantom I tried once... all depends on
how much money you want to spend.  (Check out the P68AT as
well...  a bit more expensive, but a real workhorse.  Had some of
my best days playing with a Pirranah... (P68AT's predecessor)).


Disclaimer: I only speaks for me....
From: crm4@po.CWRU.Edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: These dimented game variations!!!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:02:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


	People, let us not forget that the game is CAPTURE THE
FLAG!!!  Some of these games I am reading about are totally
absurd. Like for example the games called Alien and Zombie in
a previous article. In these games , the people who are "IT" are
going to be getting hit a ridiculous number of times. Sounds
VERY UNCOOL to me.


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From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: Smart Parts Barrel??????
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:33:50 GMT

In article <1gje1eINNfe4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> crm4@po.CWRU.Edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>
>You would be downright foolish to actually pay what they are getting
>for these barrels, unless, of course, you have no machine shop
>access, in which case it sucks to be you.

Well, take that idea further.  Being that you have acces to a machine shop,
it should be relatively easy for you to make your own gun too. And with the
right equipment, you may be able to extrude your own Co2 bottles of any
size.  On more step, with the right tools, you should be able to
manufacture your own paintballs to go with your full custom gun.


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From: tazumar@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ronald Tazuma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Excessive ball breakage
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:34:01 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

In article <1992Dec15.165157.1@cc.helsinki.fi> haldin@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>In article <3090@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill Carter) writes:
>> In article <88513@bcsaic.boeing.com> tazumar@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ronald Tazuma) writes:
>>>
>>>I recently played in semi-cold weather ~40F.  I as well as other folks
<my stuff deleted>
>>>work better in cold weather?   In my opinion, the balls would fracture
>>>inside the barrel ~2-3 inches after the bolt. 
>
>The Finnish winter ends in June and starts in August (some say), so we
>play a lot in 'cold' weather -10 to 10C. When playing in below freezing
>point temperatures we had the same problem. And we drew the same
>conclusions (barrel / ball size). 
>However, after a few seasons I'm almost certain that this is not a major
>factor in that much ball breakage. Instead its probably the amount of
>moisture in the air (relative humidity) that wrecks havoc with
>paintball-playing. If the relative humidity is sufficiently high many
<your stuff deleted>
>
>It would be interesting to know if anybody in warm/high humidity
>surroundings (Florida?) have the same problem.
>
>Michael Haldin
>HALDIN@cc.helsinki.fi
My understanding of temperature/weather in our area Pacific Nor'west
USA is that as the the temperature goes down the humidity in the air
also falls, the moisture in the air becomes water on things(dew) or
rainfall.  But below the freezing point 0C alot of complex stuff happens
that I couldn't explain very well, what I do know is that the amount of
H2O in the gaseous phase should be minimized or forming frost on stuff
and or falling as snow.

So, I guess I agree with your points about the paintballs soaking up
more moisture and all.  But can anyone come up with a solution to the
problem?  Looks like a spray coating around the PB's needs to be
developed for high humidity conditions.  OR a hair dryer type device
must be rigged up to blow dry the balls in your feeder.(a hair-brain
idea) ~(8^{})
--ront
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From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: Smart Parts Barrel??????
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:32:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.170215.1417@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.043350.29687@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
>>right equipment, you may be able to extrude your own Co2 bottles of any
>>size.  On more step, with the right tools, you should be able to
>>manufacture your own paintballs to go with your full custom gun.
>>
>Albert, don't be silly.  No need to make your own paintballs when you can
>use bath oil beads.
>

Heh, I suppose the dialogue at the department store would go something like
this...

me: I'm looking for some bath oil beads...
salesperson: We have them in many sizes, what size do you need?
me: Uhhhh...68 caliber...?

^O^
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From: bru@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com (25815-leary)
Subject: Short Barrels
Reply-To: bru@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore, Piscatawy, NJ
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:24:47 GMT


Someone posted a entry stating that Pro Team Products was now shipping
5"-6" barrels and found that no accuracy was lost (I assume this means
no loss from their standard Armson 12" barrel).  Has anyone has any
expeience using a barrel this short?  I have the "short" Smart Parts
barrel for my Automag, but this is still 10" long.  I'd love to be
able to reduce barrel length to  5 or 6 inches without sacrificing
accuracy.

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From: tazumar@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ronald Tazuma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: A New Paint
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:15:01 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

In article <1992Dec17.135554.18534@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> bru@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com writes:
>
>I was speaking to the folks at Air Gun Designs re barrel lengths
>and discovered that they (or someone they are very closely
>associated with) will be coming out with a new (revolutionary if
>it does what they say) type of paintball.  It will be 99% round and
>will NOT be affected by moisture.  They advertise it in the bottom
>of a fish bowl.  

When will this stuff be readily available?  I wouldn't mind paying extra
for PB's that will not soak up moisture (change in size or shape) and
therfore end up breaking in the barrel.  That's the way they should make
them anyways...especially at >$.05 a shot prices.
From: haldin@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: RE: What to buy / pumps
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:25:10 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <robert.723721032@abacus.hgs.se>, robert@abacus.hgs.se (Robert Nilsson) writes:
> In <1992Dec1.145955.19682@sbctri.sbc.com> mas@sbctri.tri.sbc.com (Marc A. Sullivan) writes:
> 
>>I own an Apex and I love it, terrifically accurate and durable.  It does 
>>have a nasty tendency to double feed or feed and a 1/2.  The recent review
>>in PCRI has bullshit accuracy stats, other tests have yielded much better
>>performance.  It is expensive and doesn't have some of the nice new features
>>that are coming out on modern pumps (such as anti-doublefeed, two piece barrel)
>  
> Yes, I would recomend a Sterling too, since I've got the oportunity to own one.
> I've had a Phantom too, but the Sterling is far more accurate than the Phantom  and a much better gun to pump with, since the Phantom tends to bee slow for
> a very long time. Though, the Phantom shoots longer, the Sterling got the acc-
> uracy, and It will hit the same spott each time (with a little adjustment).
> It is also much easier to clean the Sterling on the field than the Phantom, thattenders to get paint stuck inside the gun, making the paint fly like bananas.
> The Sterling has the 'machinery' below the barrel and the ballfeeder wich makes
> cleaning a nice experience. BUY IT!!!
> -- 
>       Robert Nilsson       |  The opinions here are in no way to be associated
> MAIL: robert@abacus.hgs.se |     with the opinions of HGS G{VLE/SANDVIKEN

I have put over 25.000 balls through my Apex Elite and had very few
problems with it. As it is a somewhat older model it lacks some of the
niceties of modern pumps (i.e. it takes longer to strip down and you
have to remove the hopper to clean the barrel), but the barrel and the
workmanship on my gun is excellent and all I have had to change during
these years are a seal and two o-rings. Although I've owned and used a
lot of different paintguns I have yet to find a gun with the combination
of accuracy & reliability that the Apex offers. I have to admit that
this is probably subjectively clouded, but how a gun FEELS in your hands
means a lot when you're out there. I use R.P. Scherer paintballs, a
Mirage Pro Green/Red Dot Sight and alternatively a muzzle break or a
silencer (depending on the game) but otherwise I have not modified the
gun since the day I bought it. There is no problem using standard,
siphon or anti-siphon bottles, although changing the bottle type changes
the velocity. 
Another factor is the price, when I bought mine they went for about
USD450 complete and in the latest I&I Catalogue the list price was USD299
(probably due to the expected release of the Vector). At that price it's
a lot of gun / dollar. Even so, all I can say is that you should try to get
your hands on one and try it out. Checking peoples opinions is a good
start, but the only way to make sure is to use the gun yourself and see
have it feels.

Michael Haldin
HALDIN@cc.helsinki.fi
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From: bjs@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Subject: Re: Field Guide
Keywords: fields
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:06:25 GMT

In article <1glmt2INNp3o@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> rogers@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu writes:
>Ok, work has begun on the paintball field database.

>My first complaint would be the tournaments.  There
>should be something there that tells WHICH tournaments
>are held at what field.  Ill deal with that later.

Well this *sometimes* varies from year to year.

>I would, at least for the first couple postings, like to keep the
>number of states down to only those that people are interested in.
>When everything has been hashed out, I would LOVE to turn this
>all over to someone who has more time and more energy than
>I do (I will likely lose net access in 4 months due to serious delta(life).

I would be more than happy to make it a part of the revised FAQ I am working
on.  I have a long list of Paintball Stores, Mag .etc...


Bjs



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