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From: marsup@cs.dal.ca (Mario Ouellet)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: When to start kumite?
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:14:57 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

A question: what is meant by kumite? Free sparring, as opposed to three-point
and one-point sparring?

Kumite is an integral part of the training in shotokan. In fact, to obtain a
black belt you must demonstrate that you are at ease with semi-free
sparring.

At our dojo, semi-free sparring is required for brown belts and up, and I have
yet to see someone getting injured because of a lack of skill/control. Accidents
usually happen during tournaments, when the pressure to "get in" is somewhat
higher. I would assume that this is the trend at other dojos.

MO
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Question - Hapkido
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:15:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <15a17tINNdqi@agate.berkeley.edu> mdr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mike Rogoff) writes:
>Also, my main question is this:  I didn't see Aikido (which
>is how I thought it was spelled) offered where I would train, but they
>did offer Hapkido (which I had never heard of).
[...]
>If these are two distinct arts, what is Hapkido all about?  Thanks a lot!

Ah, yes.  The U.C. Hapkido club.  No, it isn't Aikido, although there are 
many superficial similarities (rolls, throws and wrist techniques galore).
It is a Korean art that is sort of a cross between Jujutsu and Tae Kwon Do.

Hapkido is billed as the "self-defense" art of the six clubs (Hapkido, Judo,
Karate, Tae Kwon Do, T'ai Chi, Wushu).  The curriculum consists of a 
*large* assortment of self-defense related techniques--some basic, some 
improbable.  Kicks, punches, throws, take-downs, finishes, etc.  To the best
of my knowlege, metaphysical mumbo-jumbo is barely addressed.

>I've been interested in learning a martial art for quite some time now
>and finally may have sufficient time and money.  I'm interested in 
>one that has a lot of mental as well as physical training (if there are
>some that don't, of course).  

Ah, you want mental as well as physical training, do you?  Well, we'll teach
you T'ai Chi, and I personally guarantee your brain will hurt every night, or
your money back :-).

If you want to get an idea of the sort of mental training involved in 
T'ai Chi, I recommend the book _There Are no Secrets_ (by Lowenthal) as
an *excellent* introduction. 


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From: dannya@ESD.3Com.COM (Danny Alvendia)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,misc.fitness
Subject: Sinawali Seminar
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:13:44 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Distribution: ba
Organization: 3Com Corporation



			 SINAWALI SEMINAR


	The INAYAN Martial Arts will be conducting a 1 day
	seminar in Sinawali on August 6, thursday, from 
	6-9 PM.

	The seminar will be held at 730 Camden Ave, Campbell.
	The cost of the seminar is $25.00

 Sinawali is a two-stick/weapon art of the Philippines. The term
 sinawali means to weave, and in this style you will learn as
 basics to weave a combination of strikes using 2 weapons. This
 style will teach you coordination, timing, and make both your
 arms/hands work in unison.

 Like most Filipino based weapon art, the moves can be translated
 into empty hands as well.

 Hope to see you there.

/Danny
From: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Who are these guys?
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:23:52 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu
Originator: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU


             United West Coast Jiu Jitsu Presents:
  All Star Martial Artists in Super Spectacular Demonstrations

(at least that's what the flyer says...)

So, can you folks tell me who these people are, and whether it's 
worth $15 to see them in some cheesy demo?

           Moses Powell
           Wally Jay
           Bill Owens
           Luther Secrease
           Jim Larkin
           Anton S.A. Muhammad
           Mestre Beicola
           William Lewis
           Phillip Wong
           Troy Dunnwood
           Victor Tella
           Mike Esmailzadeh
           Reginald Burford
           Mark Miller



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From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: C'hi Kung Training
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:59:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul26.185932.22665
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


why is c'hi kung training, if donr incorrectly, so dangerous? is it the
physical aspect (for example, lifting a heavy weight with little or
no training can give you a hernia/burst a blood vessel in the brain) 
or is it the mental aspect.

is c'hi kung training breathing only, or are physical movements/techniques
associated with it?

(add a "?" at the end of the 1st paragraph)

-mukund
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)
Subject: Re: boardbreaking and quantam physics
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:15:23 GMT

In article <Brsont.Bnu@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>,
butscher@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Adrian Butscher) writes:

> The Quantum Mechanics of board breaking?

The difficulty of which is given by Planck's constant.  ;-)  Just don't
let your focus lead to tunneling vision

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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: plhayes@yashua.cadnetix.com (Paul Hayes)
Subject: Re: Abominable Abdominals
Reply-To: plhayes@yashua.cadnetix.com (Paul Hayes)
Organization: Organization! Look at my desk...
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:56:52 GMT

In article <TXS-gc-@engin.umich.edu>, ftit@engin.umich.edu (Sergej
Roytman) writes:
|>Several months ago there was a thread on this newsgroup concerning a
|>book about situps, leglifts, and other means to strong stomach muscles.
|>The book was called something like _Abominable Abdominals_ and was
|>highly recommended.  If anyone knows what I'm talking about and has a
|>copy handy, could you please give me some information -- ISBN, title --
|>stuff like that?
|>
|>Thanks in advance.
|>
|>--
|>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
|>|  ftit@engin.umich.edu   |   "... a stainless steel rat in the       |
|>|    (Sergej Roytman)     |  ferroconcrete wainscoting of Internet"   |
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|>
|>Say no to four-line .sigs.
            
For great abs, go to a gym and ask someone to show you the "legendary abs"
exercises.    

    Paul Hayes x1512                       DAZIX
    Internet: plhayes@dazixco.ingr.com            6285 Lookout Road
    UUCP: ..!{ingr,uunet,boulder}!dazixco!plhayes Boulder, CO 80301
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:58:55 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: deadliest art
	<59142@mimsy.umd.edu>

tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
> But in a few weeks, you can teach a
> handful of useful striking methods, a few simple joint locks, and some
> vital areas to target. On the other hand, if you want to reach the
> higher levels of ability, those first few weeks are spent in laying
> the foundations that will get you there in a few years.

	I have to disagree - it seems to me that S.D. isn't so much a
matter of basic techniques, but it is learning how to set-up your
opponent, while staying out of trouble yourself (and of course,
psychological preparation).
	One nice thing about the AJJ stuff I learned was that it took
a single technique, and showed you lots of different entries for it. I
think maybe learning 1 or 2 techniques, and then figuring out lots and
lots of entries for it might be a good idea.
	Does that make sense?

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
From: garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The swarm
Summary: fsdf
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:08:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23374
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

In article <7733@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou) writes:

> The leg sweep was mentioned as being a cheat in tae kwon
> do, but used in this exercise.  Sweeps aren't illegal in kung fu (I once saw
> a sparring match in which the swept opponent was turned head-over-heels --
> I swear it looked like he was doing a vertical headstand, but with his head
> a couple of inches off the ground

I believe it.  This happened to me once.  I was a brown belt,
on the small side, sparring one of our stronger black belts.
I saw the sweep coming, but couldn't get out of the
way fast enough.  I distinctly saw my feet brush by the ceiling
as I was completely up-ended, waiting to land on my head.
As I prepared for a very unpleasant landing, I felt him reach
out with one hand, grab my gi, and pull me upright again.

Needless to say, I was *seriously* impressed.
Not to mention thankful for his great catch...


-- 
Garry Hodgson			A slow winter day
AT&T Bell Labs			A night like forever
garry@alice.att.com		Sink like a stone
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt)
Subject: Re: Diff. betweeREAD/NEWn Eastern and Western thought
    <1992Jul30.045511.25510@craycos.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:17:22 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <1992Jul30.045511.25510@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
>
>>
>>The difference between Western and Occidental thought is that Occidentals 
>>recognize mastery and Westerners have to have everything proven.
>
>I think you're a little dis-orient-ed. Perhaps the confusion is Occidental?
>
>Steve

 Dammit!!! Beaten to the punch!  ;-)




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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Taijiquan
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:52:31 GMT
Organization: Twilight Zone

In article <3840010@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> kingj@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John C. King) writes:

>Is Taijiquan what I'm looking for or is there something else?

	Yes.

	-Andy V.
From: kevin@pages (Kevin Sven Berg)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Dog Techniques
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:05:14 GMT
Organization: Banzai Research Institute

Ok, lots of advice on defending dogs omitted...

I've been (seriously) attacked by two dogs, neither of which
went for the throat. The first was a trained guard dog hired
to patrol an area, the second was a dog in a different
neighborhood than my own. I came away from both with stitches.
The canine attack training I've seen also is for limbs,
not the throat (ever seen trainers in padded arms and legs?).

The "arms in front of chest" defense may be more useful
in terms of a general block and 'removal of a target'.

Comments?

Kevin
kevin@pages.com

ps. I've found that attitude toward the animal counts for
a lot. For instance, I stopped the second attack by (unconsciously)
yelling the command "STOP", and pointing; at which point the dog
obeyed. I've used the command attitude successfully since. 
I suppose it wouldn't count too much in the case of true 
attack dogs, though ;-)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: Shaolin Monks Tour:  Postscript?
Keywords: unimportant humor
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:13:26 CDT

In article <1992Jul23.221050.18894@nntp.uoregon.edu> toman@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Joseph Toman) writes:
>In article <24798@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:

>>I have just seen a Chinese language newspaper which had a message
>>from Master Chan Pui.  Apparently, two of the monks from the Shaolin
>>Temple group that toured the U.S. have vanished/defected/left without
>>a trace.
>>
>>The message goes on to ask their return to the temple with no 
>>retribution and exhorts all U.S. and Canadian martial artists to
>>assist in finding them.
>
>I WANT THE MOVIE RIGHTS !! Just think think of it ! " Alone, in a
>foreign land, with only the skill in their fists and the longing
>for freedom in their hearts against a horde of mercenary karate killers!
>No dojang is safe, no sifu a friend,  they were : 'Shaolin Rebel Buddies vs. 
>The Chinese Connection' ! In Sensaround (tm) !!
                              ^^^^^^^^^^

      ... I think you mean "sensei-around" ....

-Lauren


Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: kirtus@athena.mit.edu (Kirk R Hill)
Subject: Re: Hot water
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:28:53 GMT

Ok here is a valid answer for the misnomer that hot water freezes faster than cold
water.  If one puts an ice cube try or some other shallow container with lots of 
surface area in a freezer with hot or boiling water in it and an identical
container with the same amount of cold water in it, the one with hot water may
appear to freeze quicker.  The reason for this is because the hot water has
greater kinetic energy and therefore has a greater tendency to evaporate. 
Therefore, since the more of the hot water evaporates than does the cold water,
you actually are freezing less water and it freezes faster.  Any Questions?
-- 
Kirk R. Hill
"Slightly insane but always HAPPY!"
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: acortez@athena.qualcomm.com (Adrian Cortez)
Subject: Re: Video Program Content
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:48:43 GMT

stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:


>In article <acortez.712552201@athena>, acortez@athena.qualcomm.com (Adrian Cortez) writes...
>> 
>>   Netters:
>>  
>>   If you could put together a 30-60 min video program
>>   about the martial arts what would you like to have
>>   in it?  Keep in mind that the program you're making
>>   will be shown on a monthly basis.    

>Doesn't it depend on the audience and on your rhetorical purpose for
>putting the film together ?  Are  you trying to represent all martial
>arts generically, or their historical development, or highlight their 
>commonalities and differences, or compare and contrast them to similar physical
>activities, or something else ?

>							todd
 
     The purpose of the program is to be entertaining and informative
     in presenting the martial arts.  Content can vary and is not
     restricted.  Try to target as wide a range of an audience as possible.
     Include the total novice to the highly experienced.

     I'm interested in seeing what folks interested in the maritial arts
     would like to see if a program was available for them to watch.
     Don't think of my post as "What kind of program does he want to make."
     but rather "What would I want to see in a program like that."

                                              Adrian
From: sdbst5+@pitt.edu (Stephen D Brener)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aikido and Randori
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:33:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <0eNMn5y00iU49U6Sls@andrew.cmu.edu> sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan) writes:
>
>	I agree that Aikidoka often seem to lack proper offensive
>skills. I guess that Aikido is generally taught as a defensive art,
>but I think there is a danger of Aikidoka not being able to respond
>effectively against, errr, "non-canonical" attacks. I guess (hope?) that
>yudansha play around with different attacks during randori.
>
>Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
>stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]

I have the same concerns, Steve.  Aikido, although lots of fun, is generally
practiced in such a controlled manner that it causes me to wonder how effective
it would be when confronted with an angry and experienced 
street fighter, who is neither willing to throw shoomen-uchi and graciously
take ukemi.

I'm sure that quality yudanshas would perform well but sometimes I feel that
it might be instructive if some more realistic looking routines were introduced
into the workouts.  (This doesn't mean bringing in a street gang brandishing 
assault weapons.)
From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: East Coast MA gathering
Keywords: Need 1 -2 more instructors please
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:51:11 GMT
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

The time is fast approaching.  I will send out the attached message
by e-mail to the folk I have on the mailing list as well.  I'm
very excited!!!

			East Coast Martial Arts Gathering
				August 8 - 9
			      Fredericksburg VA 

Yes!  You are welcome to come!!!!
Proposed DRAFT schedule, comments welcome.

Arrival 3:30 - 6:00 P.M., I wanted to make a big window, since I know
some of you will have to travel a long way.  I have a demonstration
to perform at 2:00 P.M.  If it looks like you may be coming down
early send me e-mail and I'll take care of you, else I should be
back to the dojang at about this time.


Instructors for tutorials needed, I am taking the initative to contact
some of the R.M-Aers I know with suggestions, but I need a couple more.
Stephen Chan may not be available for falling/rolling, is there a mat
happy MA coming down?

AUG 8 Program
5:30 - 6:00	Warmups and stretching
6:00 P.M.   	Opening and Welcome
6:05 - 6:50	T1: Falling/rolling techniques and the MA: Chan??
7:00 - 7:45	T2: Knife attack and defense: Drury
8:00 - 8:45	T3: TBA
9:00 - 9:45     T4: WSD Kata and application: Northcutt

9:45 - 10:30	Break and snacks

10:30 - ???	Demonstrations: I am hoping that everyone who comes
plans to share/demonstrate  something!!!!!


AUG 9 Program
8:30 - 10:00 A.M. Continental breakfast
***** relocate to river *********
10:00 - 12:00	T5:  Water training/Gun techniques?????
1:00 P.M. Lunch
Goodbyes.

$$$ I`ll buy breakfast Sunday morning.  You will need a small amount
of money for Friday night food, the 8x10 photo if you desire the group
photo, and lunch.  Figure $20 -25.00.

***** I will try to accomodate special needs as required ******

 
===================================================================
   ** Let me know whether you prefer hot or cold drinking water :-) **
===================================================================

Stephen Northcutt (snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil)     Networks Program Manager
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: dccarr@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (david.c.carr)
Subject: Re: rank tests
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:28:12 GMT

From article <1992Jul30.205506.12808@orionsci>, by goodwin@orionsci (Ben Goodwin):
> In article <1992Jul30.143038.940@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> dccarr@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (david.c.carr) writes:
	[snip]
>>I'm curious - do you have to pay (as in $$$) for these
>>"refresher/checkup" tests?
> 
> No.  As a matter of fact the black belts pay less monthly at our Dojo
> than us lower belts.  Is that fair? :(

Well, *I* think so :-)

At our schools - non-profit, run thru YMCAs - we have a sliding
tuition scale.  The higher your rank, the less you pay.
Black belts pay *no* fees for training (they may still have to
pay a modest membership fee to the Y).
Also, the fee for tests is a flat $15 - payable only if you pass -
for all levels except for black belt - these are free.
Students do not sign up for or request testing, nor are tests
scheduled - they are by bolt-out-of-the-blue invitation only.
Some class, usually right after warm-ups, Sensei says (for example),
"Mr. Carr, would you please take over the class.  I want Mr. A,
Ms. B, and Mrs. C to please come with me."  No prior warning.
He takes them to the back of the dojo (or sometimes to a different
room at the Y if one's available), and puts them through their paces.
If he's satisfied, they are promoted in front of the next class.
If not or if he wants to look at more than he has time for in a
single class (very common for higher ranks), he usually says,
"I want you to work on ..... and we'll continue this next class/week/...."

In general, he considers a "test" to be more of a fine tuning.
The idea is not to pass or fail - he doesn't invite you unless
he expects you to pass (isn't guarenteed though) - the idea
is more one of polishing, of smoothing rough edges, correcting
small errors or bad habits, and pointing out those things
that will really need to improve before the *next* test.


Dave Carr
isshin shorinji ryu okinawa te
ronin, wa bun bushi no michi
"Don't push the river, but don't pull no punches."
david.c.carr@att.com
From: achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Some general questions...
Keywords: judo, akido, shotokan
Date: 26 Jul 92 00:00:06 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

I just _have_ to ask nicely that you look at the Chinese arts, too.

Please do. :)

Al
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: chris@ponder.csci.unt.edu (chris gleaves)
Subject: Re: Dog Techniques
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:29:07 GMT

>
>Once I was jumped by a BIG (35 feet tall or so it seemed at the time) German 
>Shepherd.  I dropped my school books and crossed my wrists in front of my 
>throat as it launched itself. Its nose collided with my hand and the dog 
>bounced off me.  By the time it go back in launch (lunch?) poise, its owners
>regained control of it.
>
>1 - Did I cue him to go for my throat?
>2 - I was not an MA at the time, I reacted to pure fear.
>3 - Had I shoved my hands in its open mouth (the opportunity did present
>itself) and grabbed upper jaw with one hand and the lower with the other,
>could I have broken its jaw by prying them sideways?  Add pinning the twisting
>body between knees as I fall on him.  My ignorance of dog physionomy tells me
>that they might have strong up and down jaw muscles, but weak lateral ones.
>
>Would this have worked?
>
   I think that you are underestimating the strength of a dog the size of a 
Shepard.  Even if you were fast enough (lucky enough???) to get you hands on
the upper and lower jaws of the dog, dogs are very agile and very good at 
breaking free from a hold like that.  I know I worked at a vet's office, and
I have had to do this exact hold when we were attempting to medicate the dog
orally.  Most of the dogs would violently wrench thier heads back while
twisting it back and forth.  This type of movement is very painful for the
person doing the restraining because the dog's teeth rip along you skin in
an attempt to hold on.  I know that you are thinking of grabbing and then
forcing sideways, but I think you'd encounter the same problems when you
attempted to get a hold on those rows of teeth.
   I think that you would be right about the lateral muscles being weaker, 
but those muscles are designed to rip as well as bite, and that can take 
a lot of strength.
   FLAME DISCLAIMER: I may be wrong, it is only my opinion.



chris