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From: stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl)
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:21:31 GMT

green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:

>>The members who haven't done a crime, yes.
>The crime is membership in a criminal organization.
Oh yes. But the time he joined it wasn't a criminal 
organization. 
Maybe he should know that it will be declared
as criminal 10 years later ?
Maybe you can tell me how he should know
all these things. 
You haven't explained to me, yet, why he
should know all the goals of the SS.

>>I said some soldiers of the SS were cruel and other were just
>>soldiers like the ones of the Wehrmacht.
>Rather like the Marines in Vietnam, eh?
If we talk about soldiers raping women, there is no difference
for me if the soldier is german, russish or american.
Maybe you can explain the difference to me ?


>>I can understand that the SS as organization was declared as criminal,
>>because their goals were cruel and full of bestiality. This does
>>not mean that every member had this goals too, as long as he doesn't
>>know of the cruel goals. 
>Well they didn't think it was the Boy Scouts they were joining.
No. They thought they joined a military force.
And they were sent to war.

>*You* suggested you might be a bit stupid. I just followed up on it :-)
*Smile* I would be thankfull, if ya explain to me, why
the things I said were stupid.

>Now if you can find the quote where I called you a Nazi, I will 
>publicly apologize.
No quote.. The things you said just sounded this way.
If I'm wrong, I appologize.

>Well maybe this is where we really differ. I *can't* understand how
>such things could have happened. And it disturbs me when I hear people 
>trying to explain it away in terms of the economy, Hitler's charisma, 
>everybody does it, etc, etc.

I don't want to explain it away.
In my opinion it is just dangerous to think that all these
things once happened in Germany and that it has something
to do with the Germans. 
Nazism can grow everywhere anytime. And people who don't
want to realize this are quite dumb.

>Its like, yes it was awful, but.... 
>No Buts.
I never said something like this.
I just say that all these things are not an inventive of the germans.
This is not an excuse for the things which had happened, but
we must realize that it wasn't a german disease or something
and that it can happen in other countries than Germany too.

Bye,
  Christian

-- 
"There're so many different worlds, so many different suns,
 but we have just one world, though we live in different ones"
- Dire Straits "Brothers in arms"
Christian Lampl - stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de - aka Ray at the IRC
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl)
Subject: Re: Detest Germans?
Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:12:24 GMT

Pankaj Saxena <U09416@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <1993Jan17.192129.27257@compu.com>, fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from
>home) says:

>>
>>The British weren't particularly pleased with the new kid on the block who was
>>beating them up commercially the world over and who was moving to also attempt
>>to colonize the third world barbarians to get raw supplies from them cheaply.
>>
>>
>>Fred
>>
>Your tone here isn't much different from the Nazis, so no wonder you sympathize
>with them. "Third world barbarians," indeed! If you find it so easy to condemn
>entire nations and races, you'd have been a prime candidate for manning the
>concentration camps.
It was not his tone. The imperialists of the late 19th century have
seen nothing else in the 3rd world people than barbarians they have
to missionate.

Bye,
  Christian

-- 
"There're so many different worlds, so many different suns,
 but we have just one world, though we live in different ones"
- Dire Straits "Brothers in arms"
Christian Lampl - stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de - aka Ray at the IRC
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: barry@dingus.osf.org (Barry Perlman)
Subject: Reconstructionist Judaism
Keywords: reconstruction
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:24:59 GMT


Hi,
	I have some questions about a particular flavor of Judaism
called Reconstructionist, and would like to hear from knowledgeable
people.
	Is this a fourth branch like Reform/Conservative/Orthodox,
or is this an accent on one of the main three branches, like 
Egalitarian?
	Is there such a thing as a Reconstructionist rabbi?
	What are the principal tenets of Reconstructionism?
	How is Reconstructionism generally perceived by the mainstreams
of the three major branches?

	Thanks for all serious answers.

	Barry the Curious


=====================================================================
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From: trb@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Andrew Tannenbaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Sephardic music
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:22:02 GMT
Organization: Beth trb - Baruchline, MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu

In article <1k17gtINN4sm@life.ai.mit.edu> trb@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Andrew Tannenbaum) writes:
In article <21540@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> jackson@JADE.UCDAVIS.EDU writes:
> I really liked the recent 3-4 recordings released by Voice of the Turtle.
> Since then I've been on the lookout for other interpreters of Sephardic
> music.  I would very much like suggestions for any artists that I may have
> missed (interpreters of Sephardic music, I mean).  So far I have music by
> the following:

Note that there are many types of Sephardic music, of which the Voice
of the Turtle is but one.  I would characterize them as Sephardic
chamber music, pretty gentle as they go.  If you like them, you might
want to seek out the British Sephardic group "Burning Bush," which I
heard on the BBC during the Sefarad 92 celebraction.  Like Voice of
the Turtle, but less "New England" sounding.

Among other types of Sephardic music, you might want to check out some
Israelis, like Ofra Haza, with her Yemenite songs, or Habrera Hativit (aka
Natural Gathering) with their Israel/Moroccan music, both of whom are
more gutsy than Voice of the Turtle.

One good place to find Sephardic music is at Israeli folk dancing - they
play a variety of Sephardic tunes.

You can subscribe to the Jewish Music listserv mailing list
by mailing a one-line message to listserv@nysernet.org:

sub jewish-music your-first-name your-last-name

	Andrew Tannenbaum   Brookline, MA  USA
From: a0cb@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Chris Bertholf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The term "anti-Semitism" (was: Re: Martin Luther King Quotes)
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:21:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6768
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1993Jan22.230337.24958@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
>
>	No one is arguing that point.  I should also like to point out that
>dote means to be feebleminded esp. from old age 2: to show excessive or
>foolish affection or fondness.  That has little to do with the meaning of
>antidote.

Which has nothing to do with the etymology of the word anti-semite.

However, since you bring it up, 'antidote' is very much derived the
same way anti-Semit(e)(ism) is:

	The original ME word 'antidot'
	from antidotum (L) from antidotos (Gk) from anti + didonai (Gk)

	anti- := against | combat or defend against
	dot  is derived from dotos (Greek) derived from didonai (Greek)
	didonai := to give
	anti+didonai := to give against
	antidot := to give combat or defense against
	antidote := to give combat or defense against | defense against

Now, go figure out how anti- + Semite was put together.

>
>	It was in 1879.  And you could just tell people that Wilhelm Marr
>coined the phrase, he did not alter it.  There is no known use of the term
>before 1879. 

YES.  The first GERMAN reference was in 1879.  I was posting about the
first ENGLISH usage.  I don't deny that the term, in its GERMAN form,
was used first.  That is not what I was posting about.  I was just
answering a question about the usage HERE.

These threads get taken so out of context... That's where the problem
comes in.  Your post is accurate in many ways, but it has nothing
to do with what I was answering.

>
>You may apologize to the net for using run on sentences while
>flaming. :) 

I don't think so, why would I want to do that, I like run on sentences,
It has nothing to do with the content of the article I posted - other
than making the last sentence :-) hard to read... :-)

Oops! Another run-on... What will I do?

-Chris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.african.american
From: mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)
Subject: child help
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:01:43 GMT


Richard from London asks about employment in the US. There is an organization
with a London office called CIEE (Council for Internation Educational Experience)
or some such. Last I checked with them--five years ago-- for a $75 fee
they would provide working papers and connections towards finding a job on
either side of the Atlantic. They have a visa echange program. There is also
an organization called BUNAC. I don't recall what the letters stand for, but
'B' was for British. They placed some Univeristy of Manchester (UK) students
who I met at the JSOC (Jewish Society on campus) as camp counselors in the US.

YIVO also runs a summer volunteer program where you could help salvage old books.
I can't imagine that any program would provide airfare contingent on future
employment, and would be wary of such promises. Indentured servitude is forbidden
by the US Constitution except in prisons and the Armed Forces. Correct me if I'm
wrong, but I think that's the Fourteenth Amendment.

Good luck,
Michelle
mgross@nosc.mil
From: CARIAN@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosherizing Recipes
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:31:10 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

In article <1k4tblINNcao@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, sutin@helios.ucsc.edu (Brian Sutin)
says:
>
>I have been perusing old cookbooks lately for simple recipes, and I have
>found many interesting possibilities, which contain some non-kosher
>ingredient, either as the main ingredient or a flavoring.  Does anybody
>have any experience with direct substitutions for some of these that
>would leave a recipe intact (rather than, say, taste the same)?  I am
>looking for substitutes for:
>
>pork chops              (main ingredient)
Try lamb chops or veal chops if you eat veal.
>welsh rabbit (!)        (common in older cookbooks; maybe chicken?)
I believe Welsh rabbit is a sort of cheese toast thing, melted cheese
poured over toast. Why it is called this, I have no idea.

If it means rabbit *mamash*, try chicken.
>ham                     (I think smoked turkey may work for this)
Smoked turkey would probably do. Kosher Chinese restaurants use veal as
a pork substitute.
>shrimp                  (main ingredient)
There is a kosher fish substitute; I have had it at catered affairs and
seen it on restaurant menus but haven't seen it for sale in stores.

As an aside, the vegetarian Chinese restaurant in the area is now listing
Mock Prawns on its menu. Haven't tried them yet.
>clams                   (flavoring)
>bacon                   (flavoring)
Use kosher "bacon bits" (parve) or kosher beef bacon.

Rabbi Charles Arian
CARIAN@american.edu
From: 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Andy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Cleaning up SCJ
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:05:33 GMT
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston

In article <106341@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P
Wiener) says:
>
>In article <1jt1hmINNf8s@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, friedenb@boswell (Gedaliah
>Friedenberg) writes:
>>Please help the situation by not posting anything that is
>>inappropriate to SCJ.
>
>Unfortunately, there are some seriously clueless newbies that are
>hellbent on trashing SCJ, refusing to respect the appropriate topics,
>and absolutely unwilling to discuss things in e-mail with people who
>point out their mistakes and idiocies.

I reserve the right to respond publically to public attacks. I think that
that right is fundemental. That furthermore I choose to discard unread e-mail
from the likes of Wiener and Skoll (though the latter has taken to sending
me e-mail from other accounts as he feels his mental effusions just have to
be shared with me) is my right. That Wiener and Skoll can't accept the fact
that I don't want to receive e-mail from them is their problem, not mine.


>--
>-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: rjs@ulysses.att.com (Richard Steinberg)
Subject: The Mysterious "Jay" Phenomenon
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:34:44 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill
Keywords: Middle Names


Can anyone explain the Mysterious "Jay" Phenomenon?  I.e., why is the middle
name Jay so popular as a middle name among American Jews.  Examples:

			Stephen Jay Gould
			Bruce Jay Freedman
			Michael Jay Pollard
			Alan Jay Lerner

Thanks.
						Richard Jay Steinberg
						AT&T Bell Laboratories
	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: lerner@cs.columbia.edu (Michah Lerner)
Subject: Re: The Mysterious "Jay" Phenomenon
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:25:29 GMT

>> In article <1993Jan27.153444.3922@ulysses.att.com> rjs@ulysses.att.com (Richard Steinberg) writes:
>> Can anyone explain the Mysterious "Jay" Phenomenon?  I.e., why is the middle
>> name Jay so popular as a middle name among American Jews.  Examples:
>>
>>	   Stephen Jay Gould
>>	   Bruce Jay Freedman
>>	   Michael Jay Pollard
>>	   Alan Jay Lerner
>>
>> Thanks.
>>				   Richard Jay Steinberg
>>				   AT&T Bell Laboratories
>> 
  It is a simple gematria.  "J" is the 10th letter of the alphabet,
  and is spelled out to remind us of the 10 Commandments.   
--
Michah Lerner
home:    1-718 253 7182
compsci: 1-212 939 7068 (unless in the lab)
pager:   1-917 372 0102 (has voicemail)
From: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: How do Jews reconcile science and philosophy with their faith?
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:10:43 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: silver.egr.msu.edu



At yeshiva over winter break I head the chairman of the Physics Dept.
of Bar Ilan University give a lecture on Torah and Science which even
convenced some (but not all) of the skeptics in the crowd.  His name
is Dr. Averill (I think) and he has a book out.  If you can find it,
I recommend it.

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University


                   
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:25847 soc.culture.german:10157
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:44:10 CST
From: Pankaj Saxena <U09416@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Detest Germans?
 <1993Jan17.192129.27257@compu.com>

In article <1993Jan17.192129.27257@compu.com>, fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from
home) says:
>
>
>The British weren't particularly pleased with the new kid on the block who was
>beating them up commercially the world over and who was moving to also attempt
>to colonize the third world barbarians to get raw supplies from them cheaply.
>
>
>Fred
>

Your tone here isn't much different from the Nazis, so no wonder you sympathize
with them. "Third world barbarians," indeed! If you find it so easy to condemn
entire nations and races, you'd have been a prime candidate for manning the
concentration camps.

The point that several people have tried to make in this thread is that much of
what the Nazis were able to get away with was because the general public didn't
really think there was anything wrong about the idea of condemning a race as
inferior. You typify that philosophy.

The British didn't just use the third world countries as a source of raw
materials. They were a huge captive market for the goods that their factories
were churning out. For instance, they sold more textiles to India than to any
European country.

The Germans were hardly a commercial threat to the British at the time of the
second world war. The market for cuckoo clocks wasn't that big.

U09416@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin)
Subject: Re: Has Chabad gone crazy?
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:29:35 GMT

gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler) writes:

>This doesn't explain his silence over the years about this topic.
>We have seen much discussion about the hypocrisy of not actively
>(whatever that means in this situation) pursuing the Mashiach.

I do note that we do not find the Talmud quoting Bar Kochba to the
effect that he said he was not the Moshiach.

The truth is, that almost nobody can tell you that they are not.

Should they discourage you?

Well, if there isn't a halachic reason, there would have to be
a practical one. The only practical reason would have to be one in
which he felt it could damage his Chassidim if it turned out that
he was not. He *has* told his Chassidim to stop singing certain songs
about him in the past---eg. the song
`Rebbi Shlita, Rebbi Shlita, Ain Kamocha Ba-olam'.
The Chassidim did not listen to him!
He has asked his Chassidim many many things, and they do not listen.
For example, he asked single Chassidim to limit themselves to 
on small shot of alcohol. They do not listed.
I surmise this was what prompted the Lubavitcher Rebbe (and one should
refer to him as such as opposed to Rav Schneerson) to tell his Chassidim
about two years ago that he had had enough and had done all he could
and that the rest was up to them.

Personally, I think he is an outstanding leader, but I think most 
problems come from his Chassidim who really have a heck of a lot to
answer for.

I'll give you another example. I was recently at a Chassidic
Farbrengen on account of the birthday of a friend of mine.
They were Moshiaching here and Moshiaching there.
The father of my friend stood up and told them they were all
hypocrites. He said they were all talk. Why? Because when the Lubavitcher
Rebbe became ill, they suspended Shiurim on Shabbos morning to say Tehillim.
Now, the shiurim had not resumed, and Tehillim was only said by the
old men. He argued that they at least ought to love their Rebbe enough
to say Tehillim for him. That was a first step. Believe me, the people
involved were Rabbonim, farbrente Chassidim.

In short, don't blame the Lubavitcher Rebbe---I feel he has more 
influence over others than he has over his own ironically.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:25979 soc.culture.canada:10285 can.politics:11629
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:39:44 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-Nazi Rally
 <1993Jan23.211753.26315@julian.uwo.ca>

In article <1993Jan23.211753.26315@julian.uwo.ca>, larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN
LAROCQUE) says:
>
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
>
>In article <93022.2105342893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Andy
><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>   The Heritage Front, a neo-nazi group in Toronto will be in court Monday
>the
>>25th of January.
>
>So, what they do? Park in a no parking zone?....

The Human Rights Commission is in court trying to get the HF's hateline shut
down on the grounds that it promotes hatred.

>
>>There will be an anti-Nazi rally starting at Queen's Park
>>around 8AM and proceeding down to the court at the Confederation Life
>building
>>on University Avenue. This is a counter-demonstration to a pro-Heritage Front
>>rally scheduled for the same time at Confederation Life.
>
>Oh, then this will just be like good old Germany in the 30's with Commies
>and Brownshirts battling it out in streets. Sorry, I've got better things
>to do then give these losers the attention you want to give them.
>
>Leave them alone, they will dissappear.
>Or you can give them the attention they obviously crave....

The KKK tried to open an office in the Beaches about ten years ago, they
fled when the local neighbourhood organised a massive anti-Klan campaign
and held protests. History shows us that the only way to deal with fascists
is to fight them, ignore them and they tend to grow. Even recent history
in Europe shows us that where ignoring the neo-nazis did not cause them to
go away.


>
>--
>***FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING*
>*
>**  John LaRocque         **   "If you're the new messiah.. I'm going to be
>**
>**  marshall.law@uwo.ca   **   the one to drive in the nails"  MARSHALL LAW
>**
>***FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING*
>*
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: eitan@syacus.acus.oz.au (Eitan Froumine (Melb))
Subject: Bezek Introduces Fax Service for Western Wall Notes
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:54:43 GMT


For those who do not receive the Israel Line news, here is the latest 
state of the art in communication technology:

> Attention Israel Line Recipients
>  
> Thursday, January 21, 1993
> ... 
> Bezek Introduces Fax Service for Western Wall Notes
> Today's HADASHOT reports on an experimental service introduced
> yesterday by the Bezek communications company in Israel. Bezek
> initiated a fax service to the Wailing Wall. Anyone wishing to put
> a note in between the stones of the Wall, may fax their request by
> dialing 972-2-612-222 at any hour of the day. A Bezek messenger
> will then take the fax and place it in a gap between stones in the
> Wall. Bezek spokesperson said that requests will be printed on
> regular fax paper and that  the service is still experimental. The
> spokesperson added that both AT&T and MCI have expressed interest
> and have announced their intention to start listing the new
> service within the next few days.
>  
> 
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: Send a fax to the Almighty!!!
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:41:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.063950.18274@dogface.austin.tx.us>, joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) writes:
> This is a longshot... but are there any systems in Jerusalem that could gateway
> email to a given pseudo-user out to a fax to the Kotel?

I wonder, could it also be arranged for God's replies to be forwarded back by
email, or could He get direct access to internet?

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish