From: rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Religious Stuff
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:37:47 GMT
Organization: The Armory

In article <Bxnt6x.5EL@acsu.buffalo.edu> v067rcyf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (AARDVARK) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.071741.15546@deeptht.armory.com>, rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes...
>>In article <1992Nov10.065923.21891@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:
>>>
>>>I am sorry my earlier posts angered you - I said that I didn't mean
>>>anybody any harm.
>>>
>>>The reason I am posting to the groups I did is 1) I am new to Usenet
>>>and 2) I started reading some of the posts (stories, mostly) in these four
>>>groups and was taken somewhat aback by their content.  I also saw in
>>>some of the groups some quite intelligent discussion about the problems of
>>>the world.  My response taking those twotypes of posts into consideration
>>>was "why don't these people just read the Bible?"
>>>
>>>Maybe this sounds naive to you, but I come from a very religious family,
>>>and I have learned through custom and experience that only Christ
>>>through His miracles can save us.  Stories about having sex with airplanes
>>>and other things even worse - too horrible to even mention just take the
>>>issue away from Christ.
>>>
>>>Anyway, I am impressed by the sincerity of your posts and the general
>>>quality of Usenet.  I cannot believe in the things you do but in
>>>retrospect I had no right to criticize them.  You believe what you
>>>believe, and I shall continue to believe what I do.  Until then,
>>>it's ok with me if we all stop bickering.
>>>
>>>Wouldn't the world be a much better place if we all could be friends?
>>>
>>>W/Respect,
>>>Steven "Sgreever" Greever
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>>Well, Steven, I think you will find that most people, and I don't mean
>>some simple majority, but like 90% plus people on the alt.* newsgroups
>>are here to tell you that they don't believe that stuff that you were
>>taught, and they even think it's so unbelievably wrong that they might
>>actually rid the world of that type of belief with a wave of their
>>hand, if given the power, and without a second's thought. Many of them like
>>me would be happy to rid the world of that form of belief with a wave
>>of my hand even if it meant the violent horribly painful death to all
>>people who hold such beliefs. That should shock you to your core,
>>perhaps, but I assure you that it is true, and that I have devoted a
>>fair proportion of my political life trying to do away with people
>>like you by any means necessary! I consider you the worst perversion
>>of human hopes and aspirations and will do literally anything to stop
>>your form of stupidity and return the world to its course before the
>>assholes twisted what *might* have been a kindly humanistic teacher's
>>words and then put him on a pedestal to stand for the crap that *they*
>>wanted. What Yeshua ben Miriam said nobody has the slightest clue,
>>really. Even the gospels were a collaboration by people who constantly
>>misunderstood the man if he even actually existed. And if you think
>>that anything sexual has any inherent evil in it, I would like to see
>>you wiped from the face of this earth as fast and as painfully as
>>possible, as your kind has taken western culture down the blind alley
>>of fear and guilt for much too long. I would gladly give my life to
>>get rid of all people who believe as you do. The dark ages are just
>>now ending. Get used to it, and by the way, find a better religion.
>>Yours really sucks a turd and a half.
>>- Steve Walz
>
>I swear i read this in one of Hitler's speeches, or something...
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All those speaches sound alike, the good guys and the bad guys. You
can't know who's who without a clue, get one.

>Just relax Mr. Walz, 
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Not until the world's a hell of a lot nicer to be in. Relaxation is
the drug of the uninformed.

>take a valium....
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I have better drugs than that. Try alprazolam.

>people need something to believe in...
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That's the lamest piece of shit reason to defend someone I ever heard.
I suppose you'd say the same to Mussolini?

>who are we to tell anyone their (they're -RSW) wrong?
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We are those who have to live in this place. We also read and think.
Many don't.

>granted we shouldn't preach...
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Bullshit, I want everybody to say what they think so I know exactly
who MY enemies are.

>but are such hateful threats really necessary?
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If hate will stop these assholes before we have to just shoot 'em, I
think I could live with that. Sometimes you have to climb down from
the high ground of progressivism and liberalism to show people who are
not so concerned with whether you live or die that you're deadly
serious. One of the problems of being an enlightened person is that
you wait to long to shoot all to often. Take slavery. Take Hitler.
Take Warsaw. Take Iraq. Iran's next. Will you be ready? And we've got
our own insane fundies here at home trying to take our rights away.
You have heard and quoted their crap even in your .sig's! Wake up and
tell them how hard it's going to be for them to survive what they are
paying for air time by the millions this minute to convince people to
do to people like us. What happened to "Give me liberty or give me
death!"? Are you simpletons, cowards? Yes, hate is a necessary
strategy, both to dissuade and to prevent the situation I'm prepared
for. It just might be "the only good fundy is a dead fundy" time
quicker than you think. My father killed Nazi's and was proud of it. I
am proud of him. I don't think we need to wait till half the world is
trodden down and millions dead in crematoria this time before we move.
A president who was full of crap about most things still had enough
public support to go half way around the world to protect the future
from another fundy idiot. I think it was unfortunate, but a just and a
good deed, even if we killed 200,000. Even if his stupidity set them
up to do it, it was a necessary task. Internally, we have some
self-defense to do now too. And if we can convince these fascist sons
of bitches that we mean business, even if we all buy a gun and ammunition
and never have to fire a shot, and even if we scream our hate and our
derision with threats and gravest hate included and never have to use
that hate in a civil war, then we will have done a good thing. I'm
using hate and the threat of devastating mob action to cowe these
fascists back into the TV land they live in, where they can have their
way in the abstract by sending their donations and their votes to turn
the clock backward. If we drag them screaming into the light of a real
day of them feeling themselves endangered, they will buckle and they
will shut up. It happened in the sixties when they saw us burning
police cars. It can happen again. They crawled into their little
churches and they SHUT UP! They didn't vote for quite a while and we
had years of liberty prospering. Let's burn some of their own crosses
on their lawns. Let's disrupt some church services where they prate
against our very freedoms. Let's kick some butt! It'll do us good.
There was a time when liberals and progressives and wobblies and union
men kicked butt. That was the biggest change in the history of this
country. If you people are serious about change and your rights, then
start living in the real one-chance kick-ass world. They are still
spilling CFC's into the air till '96. We might not have till '96!
Enjoy the burning of your forests and the death of your soil's
bacteria from ultraviolet. Figure another way to breathe. There are
many things which need to be done. And they need to