From: oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Son of God(was Shaheed)
Date: 21 Nov 92 13:28:03 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France
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[dear readers of s.c.l, forgive me for posting religious stuff to this group,
i personally always try to avoid discussing these things. But i felt the whole
thread needed some clarification]

Shaqeeqa (aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu) wrote:
: Elie writes:
: 
: >This theologian once sat by the shore trying to understand the misteries of
: >the
: >world and GOd. untill one little child came to the shore and dug a little
: >whole
: >                                                                     hole
: >^^^^^^
: >>in the sand and ran back and fro with a small apil putting water in this
: >whole.
: >                                                                      hole^^^^^
: 
: Elie, does the Teachings of Saint Thomas completely support the 'Son of
: God' theory?
: 
  Which St Thomas ?. The one who refused to believe in the resurrection until
he saw Jesus and touched the traces of wonds in his body, then he cried :
"My teacher, My G-D" ?. Notice that he was one of the 12, and he was skipped
by the Epochrypha of Barnabas to be replaced by Barnabas himself. Or are you
referring to another one ?.

: Should we really take belief without question?
 Even in mathematiques and physics (the most rational sciences) there are things
we don't question (the postulates). The situation is even worse, the doubt
principal (a physical law about quantom mecanics ) tells us that there are 
limits for our knowledge. Beyond these limits every result is given with a
probability. Now, G-D is immortal (thus he has an infinite energy), he has 
created all this world, he's a "spirit" thus can't be detected by our senses,
there are devils, angels,  prophets with "superior" powers and plenty of 
mysteries in G-D's person. Is an additional one too much ?.

: 
: Dear Elie, God wants everyone to believe in His Oneness.  Do you recall
: a passage from the New Testament that stated 'if a house is divided, it
: surely will not be stand'?

  Who said the three were devided ?. Actually, the "trinity" in it's actual
form has been defined as an answer to Arius heresy, who pretended that Jesus
was an inferior G-D, who had almost no power and wasn't eternal (but still
the son of the father). I'll not enter in too complicated details, but i recall
that the authors of the belief canon (in Arabic: Dastoor el Eeman) (mainly St
Athanasios) declared that they were sorry they were obliged to limit G-D to 
be described in few words. 

: Perhaps an easy explanation is that the
: Christian scholars and theologians could grasp the concept of belief in
: God through making Him more humanized and tangible.  But does that
: necessarily make it the Truth?

  The Christ, as in Isaia prophecy (written 1000 years before) is described as
follows : (sorry for bad translation, a correct quote is welcome)
"He (the Christ) will be called :...., G-D, strong, ruler, king of peace".
  I'll give a final comment on this subject : I prefer a G-D who "loves me"
on a G-D who "have created me to worship him". Even if i'm wrong i don't think
that i'll be sorry after my death. It should be really a cool place there with
all my family with me. Maybe i'll have the oppurtunity to see my Grand'Pa, my
father told me i resembled to him.
: 
: Anisa