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From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Subject: Re: NIS vs DNS
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 08:50:29 GMT

rsnyder@atl.ge.com (Bob Snyder) writes:

>In article <BuCxxt.D97@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> jonathan@gabriel.keele.ac.uk (Jonathan Knight) writes:

>>We run NIS and DNS using the Sun approved method.  Each NIS master has
>>a resolv.conf which it uses when a host lookup isn't in the NIS maps.
>>
>>Here's why:
>[Good reasons while deleted]

>Here's why not:

>The support for multi-homed hosts is abysmal.  You can't give multiple IP
>addresses to an /etc/hosts file (from what I have been able to see), and if
>you are willing to use only DNS for that, the NIS master will do a DNS query,
>returning the addresses, with the best address first, *from the server's point
>of view*.  Let's say I have a NIS server (Machine A) on subnets 1 and 2.  I
>also have another multi-homed host (Machine B) that sitts on subnets 1 and 2.
>If a machine on subnet 2 looks up Machine B's address via NIS, it will get
>the address on subnet 1, and will route to that host, even though it could
>reach the machine directly, without routing.

>If something I showed here is wrong, please tell me, but this is what 
>I am seeing on my networks.

If you put all the NIS servers on non-gateway machine,
you won't have a problem like that. But I agree, the NIS
server can take the address of the client and rearrange
the returned addresses accordingly.

Casper
-- 
						|	Casper H.S. Dik
						|	casper@fwi.uva.nl
From: ufe@dlva.dl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Tivoli Systems
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:18:41 GMT
Reply-To: ufe@dlva.dl.ac.uk ()
Organization: SERC Daresbury, UK

Can anyone tell me if Tivoli Systems have a UK/Europe distributor ?
Cheers,
	Mark
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.windows.x
From: mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer)
Subject: Re: Xterminal-Server ratio wanted
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:17:57 GMT

swhite@tybse1.uucp (William C. "Spike" White) writes:

>In my opinion, X-terminals place a significant load on the server's resources
>and should be figured in.

One should not overlook the sort of X terminal involved either. I have
a Sun 3/140 with a cg3 that I've configured as an Xkernel X terminal. Its
client server (and diskless boot server) is an ELC. The combination works
exceptionally well because the Sun 3 is such a whimpy machine it simply
can't help but let the ELC spend a lot of its time doing other things.

Now having such an under powered CPU in an Xterm may have negative
human-factor conotations, but I can't help but believe that 16 of these
can't possibly be as draining as, say, 16 NCD 19Rs.

-- 
Nick Sayer <mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us> | "Turn around. Stick it out.
N6QQQ @ N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA       | Even white boys got ta shout:
37 19 49 N / 121 57 36 W             | Baby got back!"
+1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'   |   -- Sir Mixalot
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: restricted shell on SUN? (like sh5/rsh5 on ultrix)
Date: 11 Sep 1992 18:30:22 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <1992Sep11.095413.18103@alcatel.ch> thomas.vannes@alcatel.ch writes:
>sh5 and rsh5 on ultrix are a confortable means to restrict
>users on a sysytem. Is there a PD sh for SUN that has
>these features?

The standard /usr/lib/rsh is the restricted Bourne shell (not to be
confused with /usr/ucb/rsh, the remote shell).  The Ultrix documentation of
the restrictions is applicable to this.
-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
From: don@bodovipa.cis.brown.edu (Donald Wright)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Recommended seminars, conferences?
Followup-To: comp.unix.admin
Date: 9 Sep 1992 16:08:47 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx24.cis.brown.edu

Can anyone recommend any intermediate to advanced UNIX systems admin
sessions 
or courses that include TCP/IP networking, routing, SNMP?  We have mostly
BSD flavored machines along with some ULTRIX stations.  I have received a
number 
a flyers from various training companies, however none stands out more than
any of the others.  

																						Don Wright
																						Network Support
																						Brown University
																						Voice: 401-863-7405
																						Fax:   401-863-7329
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: trost@romulus.reed.edu (Bill Trost)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: What is the best way to communicate remotely?
Date: 9 Sep 92 04:22:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: romulus.TROST.92Sep8212231
Distribution: usa
Organization: Reed College

In article <1992Sep04.172530.22261@wap.oau.org> bdixon@wap.oau.org (Bill Dixon) writes:
   My current hardware configuration is:
      IBM RS/6000 model 320
      Datability Vista Terminal Server (ethernet-attach)
      Wyse 60 terminals
      Assorted printers

   I just found out that my company plans to open up warehouses out of state
   in the next 2 or 3 months, and of course they want terminals and printers
   there.

Hmm...I'm surprised no one has suggested you get another terminal
server for the warehouse, and then simply run SLIP or PPP between the
warehouse and the main office.  Several terminal servers are also
capable of doubling as routers.  Then you can hang terminals,
printers, and even ethernet off the terminal server to your heart's
content.

With any luck, your RS/6000 might even be able to serve as a router on
the main-office end, although you might be limited by the number of
serial ports on the workstation.  Since a majority of your packets are
headed there anyway, you'd save a *whole ethernet hop* over using a
terminal server in the main office!   :-)
--
Bill Trost <trost@reed.edu>   Space is nature's way of keeping everything from
			      happening all in one spot.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: bob@astph (Bob Ford)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: 5G Exabyte drives w/ non-Exabyte tapes
Organization: Philadelphia Phillies
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:24:37 GMT

We have been using the Video8 tapes in our Exabyte 8500 with no 
apparent problem until recently.  After about 12 backups on a
particular tape, we start getting a lot of write errors, and the
backup fails.  The problem is remedied by using a new tape.  Is
this a normal life expectancy for the video tapes?  Can I
expect a longer lifespan for the data grade tapes?

A related concern is how often to clean the drive.  Currently, I
use the "official" Exabyte cleaning cartridges, and clean the drive  
once a month.  We are backing up about 20 GB each month.  Do we need
to clean the drive more often, since we are using the video tapes?

Thanks for your help.  Please respond by email to the address below.
-- 
Bob Ford                           (814) 234-8592x36
INTERNET: astph!bob@attmail.com     UUCP: attmail.com!astph!bob
Philadelphia Phillies
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: singh@r-node.gts.org (Rajendra Singh)
Subject: "Never Logged In" problem solved ... THANKS
Organization: Public Access UNIX Information System
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 18:40:11 GMT

I would like to thank all of those who replied to my earlier post regarding
"finger" always showing a user's last login time as being "Never logged in".

It turns out that most of you were right.  The file /usr/adm/lastlog was
missing.  I finally convinced the admins. to create it.  Once they did so
everything was fine.
-- 
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is greater than 100 lines (or 15K), then please send your response to:
                    tcomsing@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca
From: mjo@snclib.snc.edu (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: man
Date: 6 Sep 92 13:19:27 GMT
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@snclib.snc.edu>
Organization: :noitazinagrO

In article <me.0780@amiganet.chi.il.us> me@amiganet.chi.il.us (Corey
Sweeney) writes:

:anyone know of a PD man package?  my new unix came without a man command. 
:(came without vi too)

Are you sure that you even HAVE man pages?  A Unix system without vi?
Isn't that sacrilege or something?  Granted, I don't think that vi is the 
greatest editor on God's green earth or anything, but it's hard for me
to picture someone telling me to sit down at a Unix, want to edit my 
login inits, type "vi .some-dot-file", and get:

vi: Command not found.

To answer your question, while you're grabbing fundamental software for your
Unix box, get perl!  There's a real nice perl program that will replace the
man command, and that's the least of perl's functionality.  Both perl and
the man program for perl are available for anonymous FTP from convex.com.
 
If you're desperate for vi, elvis 1.6 is available for anonymous FTP from
prep.ai.mit.edu, and if you don't have a good enough C compiler for your
drain-bamaged Unix, you'll find gcc there too.

						...Mike

-- 
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"The NNTP Administrator"
<mjo@snclib.snc.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: del@fnx.uucp (Dag Erik Lindberg)
Subject: Re: Where have all the messages of fsck gone ?????
Organization: I/Ovations
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:27:01 GMT


>Hi!

>I run a little Unix (SYSVR3) maschine for mail & Newsbatching 24 Hours a day.
>My Problem is: If the power is lost and i'm not sitting in front of the
>machine all the messages of fsck are lost.

>Is there any way to get the messages of fsck back ???

The correct answer to this question is vendor dependent, and you did not
specify which manufacturer Unix you are running.  For example, SCO
provides /usr/adm/conlog (or something like that, I can't remember)
which has a record of all the machine boot messages whenever the machine
is allowed to boot automatically.  Interactive provides nothing like
that, but has a kernel build option to install "Operating System
Messages" support.  Once you have selected that option, there will be a
device '/dev/osm' which will FIFO all the messages normally sent to the
console (they will also still appear at the console).  Then you can put
the following command in your rc2.d:

cat < /dev/osm > /usr/adm/console.log

Then you will have a record of everything that happens not only during
auto-boot, but any time.

If you don't have either SCO or Interactive, you'll just have to ask
again, providing your Unix manufacturer this time.

-- 
del AKA Erik Lindberg                             uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del
                          Who is John Galt?
Xref: sparky comp.unix.admin:4890 comp.sys.sun.apps:1837
From: Jeff@digtype.airage.com (Jeff Wasilko)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: How bad is WordPerfect 5.1
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 22:04:33 EST
Organization: Univ of Fnord; Roslyn's Cafe Div.
Reply-To: jeff@digtype.airage.com
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


A while ago, there was a very negative discussion of WordPerfect (maybe
5.0?). Now, WordPerfect has released 5.1, which supposedly supports
Xwindows in addition to character terminals.

As I recall, much of the problems centered around WordPerfect's abuse
of the unix spooler system. Has this changed? Should I consider WP
5.1 now?

Thanks,

Jeff

--
Jeff's Oasis at Home.                   Jeff can also be reached at work at:
                                                        jwasilko@airage.com
"A system admin's life is a sorry one.  The only advantage he has over
Emergency Room doctors is that malpractice suits are rare.  On the other
hand, ER doctors never have to deal with patients installing new versions
of their own innards!"  -Michael O'Brien
From: jzwiebel@pgl-devsvr.den.mmc.com (John Zwiebel (303)977-1480)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: NIS vs DNS
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:27:22 GMT
Organization: PAGE @ Martin-Marietta

This is a poll.  For those of you who made a concious choice to use DNS
instead of NIS (or the other way around) Why?  

For those who use NIS and DNS in combination.  Why?

Please send me e-mail and I'll be happy to post a summary.

John Zwiebel
From: trant@shire.corp.sgi.com (Ken Trant)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Where have all the messages of fsck gone ?????
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:27:28 GMT
Reply-To: trant@sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. Data Center Operations

In article <1992Sep8.152213.7160@sci34hub.sci.com>, gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary
Heston) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep05.081011.395@rubikon.han.de> toad@rubikon.han.de (Peter
|> Cleve) writes:
|> 
|> >I run a little Unix (SYSVR3) maschine for mail & Newsbatching 24 Hours a
|> day.
|> >My Problem is: If the power is lost and i'm not sitting in front of the
|> >machine all the messages of fsck are lost.
|> 
|> >Is there any way to get the messages of fsck back ???
|> 
|> Not unless you are running with a terminal for the console (i.e., not
|> a PC) and hook a printer to it.
|> 
|> You'd be better off to get a decent UPS that your system can detect,
|> and trigger an automatic shutdown when power fails. 
|> Gary Heston    SCI Systems, Inc.  gary@sci34hub.sci.com   site admin

 I won't argue about the UPS but your first statement is incorrect for some
systems. On SGI's you can look in /etc/fscklogs for a report on fsck errors
that occured.

-- 
 -----
 Ken Trant <trant@sgi.com>     / Second Star to the right
 Senior Systems Administrator / And straight on till
 Information Services,       / Morning
 Silicon Graphics, Inc      / Peter Pan
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: accounting filter needed.
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 18:46:15 GMT

	Does anyone know of a /usr/lib/lpf-style accounting filter that will
work on a PCL-style laser printer? (In my case an HP IID).  We normally
run Adobe transcript on all our postscript printers, but this is not
postscript.  Buying a postscript cartridge is not (yet) an option.

Thanks.

--Dave
-- 
System Administrator, Population Research Institute    barr@pop.psu.edu
  But you don't cure bad art by locking it all up in one museum,
  you cure it by throwing tomatoes at bad artists.  - Barry Shein
From: me@amiganet.chi.il.us (Corey Sweeney)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: man
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:08:53 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

anyone know of a PD man package?  my new unix came without a man command. 
(came without vi too)
From: marcello@deis21.cineca.it (Marcello Dalpasso)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: how to connect a modem to a Sun SPARCstation?
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:36:09 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Computer Science & Systems, Univ. of Bologna, Italy


Hi netters,

I'm wondering about connecting a modem to my Sun SPARCstation 1+ (SunOS 4.1.1)
via its serial port.

In particular, I would get the following situation:

1) At home, call the Sun from my PC via kermit and my modem.
2) The modem connected to the Sun replies (it has the auto-answer facility)
3) The Sun offers the login prompt
4) I login into my Sun account
5) I start a program (or a shell-script) such that:
 a) I can hang up at home
 b) In a few seconds, the Sun dials my home phone number
 c) My PC replies to the incoming call and gets a login prompt by the Sun.

Is this procedure possible?
I think so, but I cannot figure out which setup to perform on my Sun and which
software (Public Domain...) I must use.

Any solution is welcome, even partial.
Please reply by e-mail, and I will post a summary.

Thanks in advance.

-- 
	Marcello Dalpasso (e-mail: marcello@deis16.cineca.it)
	D.E.I.S. - Department of Electronics, Computer Science and Systems
	Viale Risorgimento 2, I-40136 Bologna, Italy			
	Phone: +39-51-644-3015 (fax: +39-51-644-3073)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.sun.apps
From: gryphon@openage.openage.com (The Golden Gryphon)
Subject: Re: How bad is WordPerfect 5.1
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:07:35 GMT

brian@nds.com (Brian Dockter) writes:

>Jeff@digtype.airage.com (Jeff Wasilko) writes:
>: 
>: A while ago, there was a very negative discussion of WordPerfect (maybe
>: 5.0?). Now, WordPerfect has released 5.1, which supposedly supports
>: Xwindows in addition to character terminals.
>: 
>: As I recall, much of the problems centered around WordPerfect's abuse
>: of the unix spooler system. Has this changed? Should I consider WP
>: 5.1 now?

>I can best summarize our opinion of WP5.1 with one word:

>	SSSSSSSLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!

>An example which might illustrate its potential slowness is a simple
>cursor movement (text, not graphic cursor).  When you are near the
>bottom of the page, each movement of the cursor with the arrow keys
>causes the entire page to be redrawn on the screen.

>There are also bugs with the X implementation.  Portions of the screen are
>never redrawn or redrawn in the wrong size.

>In order to make WP useable for us, we use the XTerm interface.

>I hope they fix these problems soon, I really do like WP.

I know WP5.0 with WPTERM=gui_color is slower than molassas in winter, but
I've seen WP51, and it is much better.  WP51 for UNIX isn't out yet, as 
far as I know, but I only follow SCO versions.  I saw it at SCO Forum last
month, and it looked fast and fine.
-- 
The Golden Gryphon 				gryphon@openage.COM
Solve a man's problem and he has 1 less.        No incumbents in 92.
Teach a man to think, and all his problems are less.
Openage - The Premier SCO UNIX integrator in the Washington D.C. area
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: lappala@unlinfo.unl.edu (Kris Lappala)
Subject: ex editor options 
Keywords: ex editor silence options
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: g
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:25:32 GMT

I am working on a shell file using the ex editor and need to suppress all
interactive feedback.  The man page tells me that - | -s should do the 
trick but I am getting hung up on the syntax.  Here is a copy of my code:

/****************************/

string="`grep $1 ${CSHRC}`"

if [ -z "$string" ]
then
echo "setenv $1 $2" >> ${CSHRC}

else
ex - | -s  ${CSHRC} <<-end_of_edit
/setenv *$1
d
i
setenv $1 $2
.
w
q
end_of_edit

fi


/****************************/

If anyone can help please respond to: lappala@cse.unl.edu
thanks
Xref: sparky comp.unix.admin:4966 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:5097
From: vulture@carrion.cc.ic.ac.uk (Thomas Sippel - Dau)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Vendors Considered Evil (Re: Perl use over NFS)
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:20:55 GMT
Reply-To: cmaae47@cc.ic.ac.uk
Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine

In article <1992Sep2.174526.24490@fsg.com>, chuck@fsg.com (Chuck Yerkes) writes:
 -- Following up the Perl conversation:
 -- 
 -- We have many architectures, so often we have many binary versions
 -- of the same package.  I was always taught that programs added at
 -- the site should be in /usr/local (NEVER /{bin,etc,lib,man} or
 -- /usr/{bin, etc,lib,man}).
.....
 --   For OS upgrades, we can simply unmount /usr/local. For security reasons
 -- we can make it exported read only, etc, etc.  /usr/local IS a standard.

It has actually become too much of a standard. I, for example, can on my machine
screw up /usr/bin or /bin as much as I like,  but /usr/local is on a filesystem
that is mounted read only, so I cannot put anything there.

There is also the question of user preference defaults files, and where they
go. (Such as all the stuff in /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults) Or where site 
modified versions of these files go.

Finally, consider the following to questions:

System manager: Where do I find all files for foo? answer: /usr/local/foo/...
User: How do I find all initialization commands or preference defaults? 
     answer: print the following files:
	/etc/profile
	/etc/cshrc
	/usr/local/lib/.emacs310rc
	$HOME/.exrc
	/usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/*
	/usr/lib/uucp/fix-*
	/usr/local/X11R5/lib/app-defaults/*
	....   it goes on and on and on, there is no consistency behind it

Then, while printing may still give you something, finding out its size (before
printing) is another matter entirely, as the command that gives you the length
of a file no longer does so, as the file is now a link and you get the length 
of the linked to name, which does not help you decide wheter you should print 
the stuff out.

It seems to me that too much has been decided for the convenience of the system
manager and too little for the user's convenience.

                                        Thomas
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: Where have all the messages of fsck gone ?????
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:22:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep05.081011.395@rubikon.han.de> toad@rubikon.han.de (Peter Cleve) writes:

>I run a little Unix (SYSVR3) maschine for mail & Newsbatching 24 Hours a day.
>My Problem is: If the power is lost and i'm not sitting in front of the
>machine all the messages of fsck are lost.

>Is there any way to get the messages of fsck back ???

Not unless you are running with a terminal for the console (i.e., not
a PC) and hook a printer to it.

You'd be better off to get a decent UPS that your system can detect,
and trigger an automatic shutdown when power fails.


-- 
Gary Heston    SCI Systems, Inc.  gary@sci34hub.sci.com   site admin
The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
    The most dangerous person in the world is Jessica Fletcher.
        Everywhere she goes, people die.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.misc
From: bdixon@wap.oau.org (Bill Dixon)
Subject: What is the best way to communicate remotely?
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 17:25:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: White Aluminum Products, Leesburg, FL

My current hardware configuration is:
   IBM RS/6000 model 320
   Datability Vista Terminal Server (ethernet-attach)
   Wyse 60 terminals
   Assorted printers

I just found out that my company plans to open up warehouses out of state
in the next 2 or 3 months, and of course they want terminals and printers
there.

If it was just terminals they wanted, I would just give them PC's with a
modem running ProComm.  But I don't know how to handle the printers.  I
have toyed with the idea of faxing their reports to them with a fax modem
(which I don't have right now, but this would give me justification to get
one :).

I don't know enough about what is involved and what is possible to even be
able to ask intelligent questions right now.

I would gratefully accept any and all suggestions, comments, ideas, flames,
information, etc.  If I have to make a recommendation without knowing all
the different options, I could find myself in hot water later.

Thanks for anything you can send my way.
-- 
Bill Dixon
bdixon@wap.oau.org
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.wizards