Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:37:04 EDT
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Discourse on Race in Modern China
 <1992Oct15.172154.21559@cs.UAlberta.CA> <92289.153826SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1992Oct15.231759.4170@cs.UAlberta.CA>

In article <1992Oct15.231759.4170@cs.UAlberta.CA>, mark@cs.UAlberta.CA (Mark
Green) says:
>
>Any foreigner. Here's a couple of examples for you:

 Doesn't seem make any sense to me.

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>1) Black students studying at chinese universities.  There is a considerable
>   amount of racial tension between chinese students and black students.
>   This has even resulted in riots at several universities.  I have seen
>   these problems several times when I have been teaching in China.
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     1) How long you had been teach in China?
     2) Which university did you teach there?

  If I remember correctly, there are only twice that black student had
  conflict with local students. Once happened in Easten China Textile
  College in Shanghai, a ten year ago history (Honestly I don't know
  if it is a conflict between student, because some black student was
  beten by police while they protest on the street, and it's the earlyest
  cause of fighting). The other one happened in Nanjing Electric and
  Hydralic Power College. I am the wittness of the whole thing and happen
  to know the President of the College. The cause of this inscident is
  not simply some black student dataed local women. As a matter of factor
  the black student lives in a dorm which had much better condition
  compare to local student. Howeve there are several studet from Africa
  wasn't come study there, and their behavir was certainly not accepted
  as a student in a college, this somehow cause the tension between
  local student and aferica student. For example, I had heard of someone
  (black student) disterb Chinese girl in the liberary which is certainly
  disgush. Some black student play music loudly to be heard by other
  dorms on campus in weekdays...   The real spark was cause the between
  one aferica student and the guard of campus. According to the rule of
  the college, no guest was allowed to stay at dorm after 10 pm. But the
  aferican student insist on bring someone into his dorm after 11 pm.
  Instead of going through the gate of university (If you were in China
  before you should know most University or college has wall to seperate
  them from the outsider and people has to show ID to come in), they
  tried to climb the wall and was caught. The fighting stared after
  the arguement between guard and student and one of the guard was
  almost killed (there were 2 guard and 4-5 african student) by a beer
  bottle used by the student. Several bystander Chinese student went
  over try to stop the fighting and was beten too. After the incident,
  some local students surround the dorm where Aferican student lived and
  tried to find the person who were responsible for the incident. The
  police arrived after the dorm was surrounded and no one was hurt since
  then. However the anger of Chinese student keep them their for a while
  and finally lead them go to street for a protest. All the Af. students
  in the college was transported to other town until the local student
  started go to school again. THIS WHOLE THING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
  RACIAL. PERIOD.

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>2) Foreigners that work in China.  Talk to any foreigner teacher at a
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>   Chinese university.  Teaching in China is a wonderful experience, well
>   worth doing, but you will run into many forms of racial discrimination.
    Give me a break, I had worked in international trade company long
   enough to tell you this is not the truth. Many foreigner I met
   may complain that they were treated so well that they feel they would
   like to live as an ordinary people.

    I have several close friends who use to teach in China, none of them
   ever complains about been discriminated. I have three friend here in
   Penn-State University who teached in China over at least 2 years, and
   two of them teached in other countries (Japan and Tailand), no one
   find anything can be called discrimination in their experience.
   Another English teacher who came from Iowa Univ. complained once
   that he got  so many special treatment that embarrassed him a lot.
   He was teaching English in the college I mentioned above and also
  "joined"students'protest that time (1987).
>But, as minority Chinese you weren't in a position to experience it.  Just
>as I'm not in a position to experience racism against chinese in Canada.
>You should spend some time with a foreigner in China and see what their
>experiences are.

  I spent at least 3 yrs dealing foreigners from all over the world while
  I was in China, + been a  minority myself, I never feel nor my client
  feel what you said.
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