HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aduell@isis.cs.du.edu (Tony Duell)
Subject: Re: Computer-related auto license tags
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 18:56:09 GMT


My favourite PDP11 instruction (for completely mangling the machine state
) is 
004657 or JSR SP,@-(PC)
That does the following (I think)
1)  pushes the SP onto the stack
2) loads the SP from PC
3) Decrements PC (which has been incremented once already)
4) Trys to use the word pointed to by PC as the addre for a call.
unfortunately that word is 004657 so it fails with an odd address error
5) Does an odd address trap, pushing PC and PSW onto the stack. In the
process it overwt overwrites the original instruction.
So, it trashes the SP, PC, itself and does an address trap in one
instruction !!!
-tony 'PDP11 HAcker' DUell
ard@siva.bris.ac.uk
From: marques@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Nightmare in the library
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:39:32 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Library Automation Team

In article <1992Apr9.063827.18610@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, gudjm@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (D John McKenna) writes:
> A true story:
> I wandered into the library of the university I'm going to today, had a
> look around, found a couple of interesting books, took them to the
> counter with my card. The librarian took the card, swiped the barcode.
> Terminal goes 'bleep'. 'You haven't used your card before, have you?'
> 'Err... no. I haven't'. Tap tap tap. Swipes card again. 'bleep'. Swipes
> barcode in book #1. 'bleep'. Pause. Looks at screen. Turns to other
> librarian. 'Its accepted the borrower number as a book number' 'It
> shouldn't do that' 'But it has' 'You'll have to cancel that entry then'.
> Tap tap tap. 'Ah. Now you've deleted his record' EEP!! Am I still
> enrolled? Yes - they cancelled it before it got that far (although I
> doubt the library machine could do that. Just didn't get that impression
> from what they were saying)
> 
> John West
> -- 
> gudjm@uniwa.uwa.edu.au  For the humour impaired: insert a :-) every 3 words

The library system wasn't DOBIS/LIBIS by any chance?

-- 
Jose Marques, Systems Programmer
 %INCLUDE STDDIS; /* Standard Disclaimer */
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From: neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Ulrich Neeracher)
Subject: Re: Patron saint of programmers?
Organization: Integrated Systems Laboratory, ETH, Zurich
	<1992Apr3.155702.9873@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 10:04:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.155702.9873@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance) writes:
>Several years ago, I ran across a reference to a "patron saint" for
>computer programmers.  However, my memory isn't what it used to be (was
>it ever?), and I've forgotten the exact name.
>
>Does anyone recall who the patron saint of programmers is (other than
>St. Jude 8-)?

Santa Claus is highly revered in some circles. On the other hand, MS-DOS
programmers probably pray to St. Rochus, who has a reputation to help against
pests.

Matthias

-----
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        "I came to the conclusion that sex is a sublimation
         of the work instinct" -- David Lodge, _Small World_
From: grog@adagio.UUCP (Greg Lehey)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Mel: Fact or Fiction?
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:43:57 GMT
Organization: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, W-6324 Feldatal, Germany

In article <1992Apr6.131911.15962@sctc.com> smith@sctc.com (Rick Smith) writes:
>And lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>
>>1964 doesn't seem real to date the drum-memory machines.  Perhaps the story
>>starts in 1964 and flashs back for most of its time-line.  Any company making
>>non-core memory machines by then was already dead or dying.
>
>The machine was almost certainly not brand-new in '64. On the other
>hand, few companies could afford to scrap a 5 year old machine that
>they spent $200,000 on if they could get sort of use out of it.
>Game programs like blackjack seem a reasonable chore to be assigned
>to an otherwise obsolete machine.

In 1973, while working for Univac, we replaced a drum memory Zuse Z-3
(I think; don't nail me on the model number) with an 1106. The Z-3 was
still going strong in a paper-tape based health care accounting
system. I believe that it was less than 10 years old.
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From: jwl3885@summa.tamu.edu (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Easter Egg FAQ list
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:01:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr13.084341.3452@pollux.lu.se>, magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson) writes...
>In article <1992Apr8.034515.19368@news.iastate.edu> radish@iastate.edu (R. Hoon) writes:
>>  User? joshua!!
>>  Greetings Professor Falken!
>>  Would you like to play a game (Yes/No)?

>So, to dig a little deeper into the folklorish aspects of this:
>Has anybody got any idea why the "magic" username is "joshua!!"? 
>And who is professor Falken?


Joshua was professor Falkens sons name in the movie War Games.  In the movie,
Falken wrote some of the software at NORAD.  He put a backdoor in it
so he could get into it...  Supposidly the program had some advanced AI or
something...

Cheers,
John
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From: g8801935@cs.uow.edu.au (The Jester)
Subject: Re: You kyou've been in hack mode too long ...
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:25:50 GMT

You know etc etc

when you fall asleep waiting for ls to complete!

you don't know if you should keep trying to find that last bug or stop
now and take notes on what you've done so you can understand it next time.
(I didn't want to say comment-> I write on the listings rather than 
comment the code :-)
-- 
\ /  /    / /  /\   | I trapped all alone in the gas station of love,
 \\/ \/\ /\ \/ \/_  | and I have to use the self-service pumps.
 / \/  /   \ \/ \   | 	--"Weird Al" Yankovic.
g8801935@cs.uow.edu.au
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From: frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger)
Subject: Re: Slashed o's (o's, not zeros)?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:39:00 GMT

>>In article <AIKE8F8@taronga.com>, peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes...
>Quick quiz: do you know offhand what Courier does? Hershey? Lucida Sans
>Typewriter?

	Wierdiest I had to deal with was using an older GE terminet,
	(band printer turned into a terminal, with 300baud paper tape
	reader punch....) 

	zeros were not slashed, but capital 'O's had a cut in the top and
	bottom so they looked kind of like this... ()

+---_      Frank R. Borger - Physicist     Internet:  Frank@rover.uchicago.edu
|__|_)  Michael Reese  - Univ. of Chicago  Phone : 312-791-8075 fax : 567-7455
|  | \ _  Center for Radiation Therapy
|     |_)   2929 South Ellis Avenue        Bachelor; A man who never made the
      |_)   Chicago, Illinois 60616        same mistake once! 
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From: imp@solbourne.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: Disk and Drive incompatible....
Keywords: Disk 3.5 5.25 Formatting
Organization: Solbourne, User Interface Group
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:34:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.193939.11700@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>In the 3.5" case, there is no actual difference, because all of the heads are
>the same thin-film design, just that 1.44 Meg type can go at 500 KHz, not
>250 KHz.  The actual manufacture of most of the media is identical.

Well, almost.  The media is almost the same, but the permeability of
the HD disks is slightly higher.  There is a potential for problems if
you use LD disks at HD densities, since the media is not capable of
reliablely recording data at those rates.  However, HD disks should
work OK at LD densities.

I find it curious that the box for 3M disks reports that the HD disks
weren't designed to work reliablely in 800K drives on the Mac.

Warner
-- 
Warner Losh		imp@Solbourne.COM
If it can't be done with Emacs, you are being too ambitious.
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From: wkt@rodos1.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey)
Subject: Re: Net.celebrities with more than 60 names
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:23:48 GMT

From article <1992Apr13.101224.11261@dxcern.cern.ch>, by xexeo@dxlaa.cern.ch (Geraldo Xexeo):
> 
> %N Andrew S. Tanembaum
> %M Andy Tanembaum
> %S creator of the minix and amoeba operating systems

That's Tanenbaum!

Love,


  Warren Toomey VK1XWT, on the path to insanity
  No longer in the bowels of ADFA Comp Science.
   `Version 7 Job Control: just use ptrace(2).'
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From: dagbrown@descartes.waterloo.edu (Dave Brown)
Subject: Re: Sinclair Lore Query
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:10:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.094328.1@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com writes:
>
>  Found a working Sinclair with memory expansion and some tape programs 
>for $5 at a yard sale over the weekend. Anyone have interesting stories about
>this little machine?
>
I remember using one of those!  Is it the ZX80, ZX81, or the Spectrum?

I remember when the Spectrum first came out it was billed as featuring
"color and sound"  .  Not "more colors" or "Better sound..."   just
"color and sound."  The ZX80 had about 1K of RAM, and the ZX81 had a tiny
amount more and a calculator keyboard (not just a flat
piece of plastic...).  At any rate, I encountered a Spectrum
that had a real keyboard added to it (not one of the Trademark Squishy
Rubber Deals that Sinclair are famous for) and I found, to my
dismay, that I could actually type _faster_ than the machine...and
my typing wasn't any good then anyways (like it's any good now!)

Also, every code in its ASCII table was something...like a BASIC
command, so you could put machine code programs in REM statements
at the beginning of a BASIC program and actually have it printable
so you could, say, put a program listing in a magazine with
machine code in it.  Didn't they run off Z80s?  Terrible
machines, though....

				Dave Brown
				dagbrown@descartes.waterloo.edu
				I'd rather be using TECO.
From: strunk1@husc10.harvard.edu (Linda Strunk)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: 1992 Computer Bowl
Summary: A must-attend event for all computer wizards
Keywords: Computer Bowl, High Tech Tailgate Party, and Playoff
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:02:10 GMT
Followup-To: none
Organization: Harvard University Science Center



************** A VERY IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!!!!! ***************

The Computer Museum's 1992 Computer Bowl is on Friday, 
May 1, at The Park Plaza Castle on Arlington Street in Boston 
at 9:00 P.M.   Be a part of the computer industry's own celebrity
classic event where leaders such as Charlie Bachman, Andy
Rappaport, and John Warnock try to answer questions posed
by Bill Gates with speed and accuracy ranging from the trivial 
to the tough.  Watch the pre-game Playoff featuring Most Valuable
Players from past years and, when the game is over celebrate
the victory with a glass of champagne.  Tickets are $50.00.  Tickets
are also available for the pre-game High Tech Tailgate Party which 
includes cocktails and dinner starting at 6:00 at the Park Plaza Hotel.
Proceeds benefit The Computer Museum.  For more information and
to order tickets, call 617/426-4200 x.399.

********************************************************************
From: btk8@aber.ac.uk (Benjamin Thomas Ketteridge)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Why Grey? Are computer unhappy objects?
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:36:20 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

> Article: 20347 of alt.folklore.computers
> From: aduell@isis.cs.du.edu (Tony Duell)
> Date: 6 Apr 92 19:58:38 GMT

> Other machines that weren't grey include
> ...
> ICL terminals were sometimes bright orange!~
> ...

ICL machinery has gone through a range of colour changes, from a sort of
yucky brown and tan, to orange and tan, to the modern light grey (surprise,
surprise!)
When brown was the dominant ICL colour, it was expected by the company,
that all its site engineers would always wear a brown suit!  So that
you could always see who was responsible for looking after the machinery!
"Was this wise?", you might ask. Since site engineers only attend on setting
up a machine, and then only when it breaks down, so do you really want your
engineers visible all those times they have to go to a site for maintenance
work? >8->

Ben Ketteridge (an ex-ICL employee)

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From: jn11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joseph M. Newcomer)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Flyback Transformers
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:43:02 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I had the same problem with my Apollo display; they wanted $1900.  It turns
out that you can buy a Toshiba Multisync, brand new, real name brand, not
relabeled, for about $1300.  Furthermore, these display heads are designed
for reliability, not cheapness, and if it breaks, you can even buy the
repair parts and fix it yourself.  Sun, Apollo, and HP customer support
sucks slimy bilgewater.  They have no recognition of the real market
forces out here in the real world.  IBM recently told me that their
RS6000 box was $3000 cheaper now "because of a significant reduction in
the cost of the hard disk".  I tried to explain to the salesman that
"A 400Mb hard drive cannot cost $3000, let alone be reduced $3000".  He
said "You're not in the PC world any longer.  This is the real world"
I said to him "No, you are living in a dream world.  In the real world,
a 400Mb drive costs under $800.  I know it is the real world, because
every day there are more PCs sold than IBM has sold in its entire RS6000
line to date"  Somehow paying $k000 for a stock SCSI or IDE drive revolts
me.  If I could buy a 6000 box like I do a PC box, add my own display 
adapter, my own hard drive and controller, my own tape backup, and a few
other things I could probably reproduce their $50K configuration for about
$12K, which would be a reasonable price.
                                        joe
From: magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Slashed o's (o's, not zeros)?
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:52:23 GMT
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Lund University, Sweden

In article <1992Apr15.165825.25884@walter.bellcore.com> nielsen@bellcore.com (Jakob Nielsen) writes:
>A further difference between the slashed zero and the Scandinavian letter
>o-with-a-slash is that the slashed zero is supposed to use a backslash
>(\) and not a slash (/). Thus, even a Scandinavian reader will be able to
>distinguish the zeros from letters.
>Thus, \o is a zero, and /o is a {oe}.

Really?

It would really be nice if it were so, but I've never seen any output
device (printer or CRT) that slashes its zeroes backwards. I've seen
many that slash it forwards, like a Danish /O, and many that use some
other distinction (like having an almost square letter "O" and a more
oval digit "0"), but never any that does it backwards. 

Of course, if you're writing on coding forms you can do your zeroes
any way you like. But who writes programs with pen and pencil
nowadays? 

Magnus Olsson                   | \e+      /_
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University of Lund, Sweden      |   >----<           
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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:26:22 -0400 
From: "Joseph M. Newcomer" <jn11+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: too involved...

>>Don't you hate when you get too involved in your hacking (in this case
cajoling
>>gopher to run) that you forget that you started cooking spaghetti 3 hours
ago?
 
I've sometimes noticed on my way to bed that the glass of milk I mixed up
several hours ago is still on the counter.  Or the dinner has congealed in
the microwave.  Actually, not sometimes.  About once a week.
                            joe
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Why is a byte called a byte?
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:12:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz


In article <1992Apr11.230746.25580@cs.umn.edu> lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) writes:
>In article <1303900001@igc.org> pic@igc.org writes:
>>
>>Can anyone out there tell me why a byte is called a byte?  Who
>>came up with the term?  When was it first used?
>
>Popular opinion is the byte was first used by the deigners of the IBM
>7030 (Project Stretch). This would put the date about 1956. According to 
>Werner Buchholtz, the term came from bite but was respelled to avoid 
>bite being mutated back to bit.

The fuller reference is the book "Planning a Computer System - Project
Stretch" edited by Buchholz, McGraw-Hill, 1962.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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Subject: Re: Etymology of cron
From: johana!tsw@apple.com (Tom Watson)
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:10:47 GMT
 <1992Mar18.125915.638@aspentec.com> <JTZD3C2@taronga.com> <1992Mar31.221158.1759@kopachuk.uucp>
Organization: FBN/GRQ Ink.

dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman) writes:
Hey, I've got two old teletypes in a storage shed at home.  I tried to
dial in to our system here with one a few years back but it kept
connecting at 300 baud.  Apparently 300 baud and 110 baud use the same
tones.  Does anyone know if you can spawn a getty at 110 baud through a
modem that thinks its connected at 300 baud?  This might be a fun
experinment.  "Sorry, I can't log in now, I'm burnishing the points on
my terminal."


Yes, you can get getty to understand 110 baud (you can shoot yourself in 
the foot as well).  Usually if one hits the 'break' key on the 33ASR (not 
too long, though) the getty will advance down in baud rates.  The main 
problem is that most gettys don't have the correct stepping sequence to go 
down that far!!  If you are so inclined, look up the fine manual (it is 
different for most every system S5Rx, V7, S3, BSD4.x, etc..) and find out 
the stepping sequences.  It gets very interesting to see an old TTY grind 
up at 110 baud.  For even more fun you can try to switch down to 75 baud, 
I dont' know of any mechinical terminals that do it, but some CRT's do 
(ADM3's).  It is usually easier in that case to log in at 300 baud, then 
stty down to 75.  At that speed you get a good sense of something called 
patience!!  Prompts can be very intimidating, and extra spaces usually 
'expunged'.

Have fun!!

-----
Signature In beta test.  Release soon.  
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From: aduell@isis.cs.du.edu (Tony Duell)
Subject: Re: Why Grey? Are computer unhappy objects?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 19:58:38 GMT


The official PDP11 colours are 'Marroon and Burgundy' at leat according to
my DEC options catalogue. Othe DEC machine colours are :
PDP8 - Yellow/brown
PDP12 - two-tone green (I have just been given a preliminary PDP12 use
manual that someone was going to throw out :-))
PDP15 - two-tone  blue.

Other machines that weren't grey include
Intel MCS8/MDS8 which were blue/green ( sort of tektronix-scope like
colour)
ICL terminals were sometimes bright orange!~
Oric Atmos (A home computer here in England) was orange with a black
keyboard. The disk drives came in oranges cases also, and were 3"
Anyone else remember the HH computers TIGER keyboard, which had
multicolour functions keys - red,blue,green,magenta,cyan,yellow,white,black
-tony 'PDP11 HAcker' duell
ard@siva.bris.ac.uk
From: eddy@phakt.usc.edu (George Edmond Eddy)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: me vs. vi survey *please read*
Date: 7 Apr 1992 21:10:55 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

hshubs@eff.org (Howard Shubs) writes:

>Heck, I'm using EMACS now, and I only know how to do four things in
>it: get in, get out, move around, search for something.  I kinda
>wonder if there's an EDT emulation in here somewhere.

yep. ;)

>Ah, but you have to map them!  In other words, they're not simply
>available?!  

creating a startup file is too difficult heh?

- rusty
From: rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: You know you've been in hack mode too long when...
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:07:53 GMT
Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group
Originator: rvloon@triton.cv.ruu.nl

In <1992Apr15.163154.16399@osf.org> dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:

| "Last night (well, this morning), I was trying to make myself go to sleep.
| "All I could think was that I had to run imake first, somehow.
| "
| "I've been hacking X too long.

A sure sign that you have been hacking X too long: the colors of your tv don't
look right and you think maybe I should use a different Visual.
-- 
Ronald van Loon (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) 3DCV Group, Utrecht, The Netherlands.

Insanity is not bad in itself as long as there is a system to it. (H.Liberg)
Healthy absurdism once in a while has never hurt anybody (me)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: horne@birch35.cray.com (Billy Jean Horne)
Subject: Re: slashed characters
Originator: horne@birch35
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:50:30 CDT


I have been reading this thread and wondering when
someone would ask about the slashed Z's.  Glad to
see someone out there remembers as far back as I do.
B.J.Horne

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:40:06 -0400 
From: "Joseph M. Newcomer" <jn11+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: slashed characters

Besides funny codes for U and V, don't forget the dash thru the Z to 
distinguish it from the 2.  
                            joe

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: CS Hackers?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:53:04 GMT

In article <1992Mar17.051631.23128@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
> In article <1992Mar17.023254.27146@gorgon.uucp> dag@gorgon.uucp (Daniel A. Glasser) writes:
>>This man has obviously never worked with a BLISS compiler....
> 
> Bliss-10, 11, 36 or 32?
For shame... forgot the -64 did we!! :-)

> 
> As the old saying goes:
> 
> Bliss is ignorance :-).
	QED
~Paul

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