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From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:31:18 GMT
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Oct7.013502.1130@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
|> 
|> Are you saying that the chinese and indians are as discrimiated as the Blacks
|> in South Africa? I've never met any situation where complete discrimation is
|> absent, even in USA? In fact it is worse for the chinese in USA than in
|> Malaysia, not only they have to pay higher taxes, they also have to tolerate
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> blatant discrimination in jobs in both government and private sectors.
|>      Sometimes even unemployed are discriminated because of his color,
|> by both blacks and whites alike.
|> 
Chinese having to pay higher taxes in US ?? Come on....where did you
get that little piece of (mis-)information ??  Taxes do not discriminate
against skin colour.  They only discriminate against one's income.

Your argument that S.Africa is an exterme case is right but you example
is totally out of line.

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From: fellow@cs.utexas.edu (Heng Wei Osbert Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE (sic)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 20:39:41 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: yoakum.cs.utexas.edu

In article <7OCT199216264053@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

Godfry, you seem to have some kind of fixation in human reproductive organs
(as you have clearly demonstrated in your "private" email), normally I'll
not bother to reply, but here it is, just to clarify for other more civil 
netters.

>
>Alright, you want to think of your government as your parent.  I didn't

1. When I drew analogy of a parent, I meant country not government. 
2. Confused ? goto 1.

The rest of your points are moot, really.



btw, did you also get a PhD in vulgarity as well ? or was it just a minor 
from your claimed PhD ?





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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:23:39 GMT
	<1992Oct7.005654.24387@nuscc.nus.sg>
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....

In article <1992Oct7.005654.24387@nuscc.nus.sg> eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE) writes:

   unlike in some countries, mediocre people here do not hold public
   office.

"Mediocre" is relative.  Some people who have excellent academic credentials
are mediocre as human beings and cannot function even at that level in
management positions.  My point is that academic credentials are not directly
proportional to management skill.

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From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:08:00 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <CLIPPER.92Oct8173742@grace.csd.uwo.ca>, clipper@grace.csd.uwo.ca (Khun Yee Fung)  writes...
>Well, there was one guy behind a glass window inside the men's
>washroom of London England's Westminster undergound station when I
>entered it. No big deal but that was the first time I saw an office
>inside a washroom.
> 

Everyone knows that Westminster is the seat of the British parliament.
The man you refer to is John Major, our Prime Minister whose economic
miracle in the UK (through which 3,000,000 people are unemployed and
most of the rest of us are living in poverty) whose office is now located
in the public toilet at Westminster station following recent government
cutbacks.  Cabinet meetings are sometimes held there too - you can 
usually tell when one is going on as the contents of the lavatory bowls
are redirected to the press outside in the form of a government statement.

Laurence
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: psgoh@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au (Goh)
Subject: Re: Take it as a joke
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 10:48:08 GMT

Dear People..

Look everyone..

If a person wishes to have a his fun with words, why deny him of the
simple joy? When one's life is boring and monotonous and lack the lustre
for fullfilment, writing into soc.culture.asean serves as a release for
one's mundane existence. If one has problem in REAL living to view ones
opinion for fear of being ridiculed in person, then one is always ready to
hide behind words for security. Afterall, wasn't there an article in one
of the Computer magazine that says - 'people loses their shyness and fear
once they log in'. Well, in {you know who!}, we may have a classic case of
such. *WHY* deny another poor soul of stimulation(which is so impossible in 
reality) IN words, and the coming alive THROUGH words WITH words....??

So, between one human to another, let us be understanding to
this {you know who!) we should be sympathetic and not get annoyed. We do not
want to have a suicide case on our hands just because we are selfish? - do
we ?? and deny such pityfying case of his pleasure..??

Let another live in their fantasy and dream with words, be it silly, sacrcastic or sheer nonsensical.

Goh. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Article by Sumiko Tan of The Straits Times
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: soc.culture.asean
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 20:07:57 GMT

In article <15OCT199213500067@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>In article <Bw64pw.AM4@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, ysoh@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (CaRa SoH)    writes...
>> 
>>Oh wow! So 48% rated Singapore as THE "Model Country for the World", and
>>30% claimed that NOTHING can be learnt from other countries.........
>>Talk about BIG ego.
>>Cara Soh
>>Indiana University 
>
>
>I think these figures are quite consistent with most of the postings from
>Singaporeans in response to criticisms in this newsgroup.  Perhaps this

I don't think so. If you are refering to criticism of your postings
you are completely off base.  You incited those reaction with your
insinuating remarks and sarcasm.

>can be put in perspective by asking the question "just how many countries
>in the world have attempted to copy Singapore's example so far?".  I
>can't think of one just at the moment.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I don't mean to call you parochial, but you are not following
the economic development  of the world too much. It is a model to
the Chinese of Mainland China, Vietnam and even some of the new
Countries of the disbanded USSR and quite a few more in Asia and
Africa.  However that does not mean that it has nothing to learn
from others but then those numbers qouted are just statistics
from a survey. How accurate are they?


-Mann
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ytay@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (AUS:Yian, Tay)
Subject: Re: Take it as a joke
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:32:00 GMT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Oklahoma - University Computing Services

In article <3335@peking.gdwb.oz.au>, mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes...
>A number of netters feel offended now and then by En. Othman
>Ahmad's racist comments & eccentric views. Well if you know the person has
>SERIOUS mental problems, perhaps you won't feel so perturbed.
>After all what do you expect to come out from the mouth of a
>person who is mentally unsound ?  Besides, En. Othman  does 
>contribute some useful stuff like checking up PC prices, info
>on KK etc. (Don't take that too seriously too though ).
> 
>By the way, the latest rumour is that NTU hires him as a clown
>to entertain the stressful students and staff there. I believe
>this got to be true ; what else would NTU need him for ??
>We should count ourselves lucky to have him in this net to 
>entertain us for FREE! (except of course you got to pay for
>the pop corn !! :)  )
> 


Oh dear, why didn't you post this earlier?? I guessed I had been too
mean to this guy.  I would never do this if I knew he had mental
problems, but I should had realized it in the first place..

yian..

> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: hykok@nyx.cs.du.edu (HY KOK)
Subject: Re: Malaysia's Atom PC=M$1600
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 16:12:47 GMT

songbac@coos.dartmouth.edu (Durian) writes:

><Stuff deleted>

>>	For price comparisons, I once say a S$300 transportable Pc 386 with
>>512K ram, CGA Lcd display, 2 360K floppy disk, in Singapore. Maybe it
>>
>>From clarinet.streetprices, I saw 286 lap top with Hd for Us $600.
>>
>>I do not know the specs for Atom becasue of poor journalistic practices.

>	I don't have too much to say about the support for Atom PCs. However, 
>I think the Atom PCs run on a NEC V20 processors or something like that.  
>I'll say M$1600 for that computer is definitely not cheap.  It will 
>definitely be a joke for those students who already own acomputer at home 
>to use these Atoms. (They are like from the time when atoms are still 
>indivisible)  :-> 

>Most people go for at least a 386sx in Malaysia now.  With the price of 
>386s going down, I don't think the Atoms will be a choice in less than 
>a year.  Our people in the education department really need to catch up 
>with the computer world. 

>from the Remote Pseudo Artic Town,
>Hanover, New Hampshire.

True, why pay more for less.  Not only the price of 386 are falling, the
price of 486 are dropping like mad too.  I hear Intel is planning to release 
it's new P5 chip, probably early next year, while Cyrix will have it's
equivalent version called M1.  If you have the money or resources, I probably 
won't look at any machine below 486.  With a 486 it will probably won't
be obsolete for at least 5 years since there aren't many application 
software written to support P5 yet.  However, if you are a crazy hacker like
me, then you probably would like to look into workstations rather than a PC.

 
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From: renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Take it as a joke
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:49:04 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5



	btw does ntu still have a "director for special duties" or
	something of that sort at the department of student affairs?

	then, either he does not have an internet connection, or as
	was suggested en. othman is in the pay of someone...:-)


	kpurang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ac@cs.brown.edu (Arthur!! Chai)
Subject: Fire damages control tower in Subang
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:18:03 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Fire at Subang Intl Airport Control Tower
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: TECHNET, Singapore
Keywords: 

This morning, a blaze which started at around 5am has pretty much destroyed
the control tower at Subang INternational Airport. Currently, aircraft
direction is being handled by the RMAF base in Subang. Air traffic into Subang
was disrupted for about 6 hours, and was restored at about 3pm this afternoon.
Damage totaled about M$20 million. Complete restoration of services is not
expected for several days. The cause of the blaze is not known at this time.
(Samy Vellu has probably overreacted by calling it sabotage. Dr. Mahathir
has said that it was probably due to inadequate maintenance of old wiring).

More news as it comes along. Looks like they better rush that new airport
in Sepang ;^).

Arthur!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: CFV: soc.culture.asean.* newsgroups
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:25:07 GMT

ytay@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (AUS:TAY,YIAN) writes:
> In article <1992Oct10.055917.24767@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes...
>>Mr Khoo Siau Cheng (iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg) wrote:

>>The current campaing is to encourage women to marry as early as possible,
>>as early as a 4 year old!
>                ^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>     Is this another one of your deliberate mistake for readers to
>     filter out or a fact??

Othman Bin-Head gets everything wrong in his much maligned English, Mr Tay.

I now propose that a call for votes be held to create a newsgroup called...

  soc.culture.asean.othman.binhead.mistruth.depository

where such mistruths can be crossposted to the world...

Or even alt.fan.othman.binhead.crap.crap.crap

Rod
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From: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (Old Wolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:52:46 GMT
Reply-To: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK


In article 8OCT199217081438@sscvx1.ssc.gov, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>In article <CLIPPER.92Oct8173742@grace.csd.uwo.ca>, clipper@grace.csd.uwo.ca (Khun Yee Fung)  writes...
>>Well, there was one guy behind a glass window inside the men's
>>washroom of London England's Westminster undergound station when I
>>entered it. No big deal but that was the first time I saw an office
>>inside a washroom.
>> 
>
>Everyone knows that Westminster is the seat of the British parliament.
>The man you refer to is John Major, our Prime Minister whose economic
>miracle in the UK (through which 3,000,000 people are unemployed and
>most of the rest of us are living in poverty) whose office is now located
>in the public toilet at Westminster station following recent government
>cutbacks.  Cabinet meetings are sometimes held there too - you can 
>usually tell when one is going on as the contents of the lavatory bowls
>are redirected to the press outside in the form of a government statement.
>
>Laurence
>


Very neat reply. Excellent summary. Covers the facts well.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Take it as a joke
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:36:56 GMT

sofjan mustopoh (smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: 
:   Ifind recent attack on En Othman personality are
:   too much. I sometimes find  Othman rather amusing.
:    but it is his opinion/idea not his personality.
:    ** If you need to attack then attack his opinion not his 
:   personality.***
:      This world has so many perspective that we need to 
:   open up and give each a thought. Else you are no more and no
:   less than frog under coconut shell. 
:      I find Othman is childish in 
not admiting his mistake in argument. But  Attack his opinion not the person "
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

: 
:    Muskie
:    "Point my deliberately mistake En Othman "  :) :)

You are learning fast but I hope you stick to the point. Someone who admits
that he may have mistakes "even deliberately left behind", is one who
"can admit his mistake in argument". However you have not enligthen me as to
where I did make my mistake. For example, there is no  "quote" here, as to the
words that I used.
	Exact words are very important in discussing mistakes and points of
views. Another important point is, understand from the point of view of the
author, do not interpret literally. Words can be defined given sufficient 
redundancy and "worldly" knowledge.
: 
: 

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 16:52:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.231749.2791@m.cs.uiuc.edu> chai@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ian 
hai) writes:
>godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>Do you honestly thimnk that cleanliness, low crime, efficiency etc. are
>>the result of the ban on chewing gum?
>
>Of course. Everyone knows that delinquents chew gum (just watch American
>TV) and gum chewing causes littering, killing and cavities.
>
>8-)



    I thought Chew chewing gum  can prevent cavities.
  Not you untill it is not sweet any more but
  keep on chew it i\the chewing gum will act like 
  flexible tooth brush.

 Muskie
 "Never try it thought"
 oops " Never try it "

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman)
Subject: Re: Ranking of UK Universities
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:13:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.074944.17331@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>:      2)  Oxford
>:      3)  Imperial College (I think)
>
>Why not the entire University of London?


	The Imperial College of Science and Technology has been
	acknowledged by the University of London as its own separate
	entity. For one, IC is reknowned by itself and is often 
	referred to without any mention of its University of London
	affiliation. IC also offers its own diploma known as DIC
	(Diploma Imperial College) instead of University of London.

	Also, in view of the scientific breakthroughs made by IC,
	it is only fair that they should claim all the credit instead
	of sharing it with the larger University of London.






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From: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: (none)
Date: 8 Oct 1992 09:26:35 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Subject: Re: RE : SINGAPORE LAWSE (sic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Andrew Tan (af620@yfn.ysu.edu) wrote:
: 
: [deleted stuff]
: 
: Couldn't agree with you more. You are, fortunately, one of the few who 
: has a backbone to decide what is PAP propaganda and what is not. Seems to
: me like most people in the net defend Singapore with the hopes
: that PM Goh subsribes to this newsgroup too. :(
: 
: YA'LL have a nice day...
: 
: 
: ATAN
: 
: 

Hey, can't you accept the fact that in a democracy, there are people
who are pro-government just as their are people who vote for the
opposition? If there were no PAP supporters in Singapore, how then did
the party get the needed votes to form the present government? Just as
you may have a sense of loyalty to your country, we here in Singapore
also have our type of loyalty to the country. What's more, for some of
us here, this sense of loyalty may be stronger. Having to sacrifice 2.5
years of one's prime time in life to learn how to defend one's country
tend to give people a different perspective of things.

Have a nice day too! :)


*eligible voter, but they changed my constituency into a GRC* :(

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan)
Subject: Re: Environment
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:00:53 GMT

maulana@duteca8.et.tudelft.nl (I. Maulana) writes:

>In article <q0arbagg@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, espcs@warwick.ac.uk (Khen Hong) writes:
>> Kurang ajar  

>Who is 'Kurang ajar'? The one who cuts the trees in the junggle for living, or 
>the one who produces CFK for fun?
		      ^^^
What's a CFK ??? A bomb ???

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: sbog6936@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bin Ong)
Subject: Re: Article by Sumiko Tan of The Straits Times
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: soc.culture.asean
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:39:33 GMT

A frog living in a well couldn't beat the Singaporeans' view 
of the world... and their opinion of their own society.


Bin Ong
From: fellow@cs.utexas.edu (Heng Wei Osbert Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: : SINGAPORE LAWSE (sic)
Date: 9 Oct 1992 10:08:53 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: notrees.cs.utexas.edu

In article <kepF4hm00YV9E9LZ0y@andrew.cmu.edu>, hw0r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Heng Wong) writes:
> 
> Were you born this literal, or did you have to have surgery? OK, mavbe

"resorting to insults is pitiful.", I took the liberty to quote you.


> well-fed and peaceful, nothing else matters. I don't think so. Human
> rights are an integral part of every society, the right to vote, the
> right to speak, the right to believe in your own religion, the right to
> wear whatever clothes you want. 

May be I've been away from Singapore for too long, please let me know which
of the above are not currently avaliable in Singapore ?

> I don't see any level-headed discussion at this time.

I am cool, hope you are too.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: chai@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ian Chai)
Subject: Re: Email address of MINDEF Recruitment center
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:44:28 GMT

jawahar@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jawahar (HP India)) writes:
>Does MINDEF (Ministry of Defence)'s Recruitment center, Singapore have an email
>address ? Can anybody mail it to me ? 
>Thanks in advance,

I don't know about MINDEF's Recruitment center, but last time I was in
Singapore (this summer) my friend who's a programmer for MINDEF said
due to security considerations, MINDEF has not external email
capabilities at this point. (I'd asked him for his email address...)
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