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From: wargopl@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Peter L. Wargo)
Subject: Re: Old Sun question - HELP!!!!!
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:32:17 GMT

earle@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Greg Earle - Gainfully Unemployed) writes:

>In article <rcaldwel.726296968@ponder> rcaldwel@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Roger Caldwell) writes:
>>I have a old Sun Microsystems machine, model number Sun-2/120
>>
>>Could some kind soul PLEASE tell me what I have, is it good for anything.

>You have a 2nd-generation Sun Workstation, dating from late 1983.  Welcome to
>9+ year old hardware technology.

[...]

>The memory boards have to be adjacent to the CPU board in slot 1, and they
>can go in slots 2, 3, 4 and 5, yielding a maximum of 4 Mb.

Actually, you can bring one up to 7 Mb of RAM, using one 4M board, and three
1M boards.  This is the pure maximum, since there's only 7M of Multibus
address space set aside for RAM.


[...]

>SunOS 3.5(.2) will run noticably faster on the Sun-2/120.

Yeah, brother!  even w/7M of RAM, 4.0.3 ran like a slug over glue.

[...]
>is as a Floor Heater for people in cold climates with inadequate heating
>systems (-:

A 2/120 w/an external 160M SMD disk kept my den at 70 deg. F all winter.
 My den is unheated.  We hist almost 78 when we plugged in a Fujitsu
Eagle. (Then the wall plate melted, and we had to ditch that idea...)

>Basically, any modern PC will run rings around your old, tired warhorse.
>Seriously, ditch it and get a 486DX2/66 or 486DX/50-based PC clone system and
>run 386BSD (4.3BSD++ based) on it instead.  Send your Sun-2/120 to a museum ...

It will.  But, keep the 2/120.  They make an adaquate NFS file server,
as well as a nice training tool.  Besides, parts are really cheap now...

-Pete

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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Is it Sunset yet?!?!
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:05:40 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>Having the January 1993 BYTE almost in front of me... there is an
>ad from Sun showing their SPARCstation LX at 59 mips. I know! I
>know! I know! Mips are meaningless... but still... can be really
>impressive!

Maybe, maybe not.  Those are, I think, Dhrystone MIPS; the SPEC92
numbers for the LX and Classic are closer to those for the SS2.  I'm
curious whether Dhrystone is multiply-intensive or divide-intensive, in
which case the microSPARC may be faster because it has multiply and
divide instructions that run faster than the software version, or
whether it's due to compiler differences, or library differences, or
what.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Sun 3/80 ttyb pinouts?
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:24:28 GMT

>Could someone please tell me the pinouts for the ttyb
>serial port on a Sun 3/80?  It's a DB-9 connector.  While
>I'm at it, could you tell me about the parallel port too?

Both are intended to be "IBM AT" compatible.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: eirik@elf.TN.Cornell.EDU (Eirik Fuller)
Subject: Helios memory board configuration
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:43:56 GMT


I have a 24 megabyte Helios memory board for the Sun3/100 series, and
unfortunately I didn't get a manual with it.  It is currently set up
so that it provides a 28 meg system with a 4 meg CPU board.  I would
like to use it in a 32 meg system if possible.

It seems as though a 24 meg board should be able to provide either a
28 meg or 32 meg system, depending on how much other memory there is.
I have a 32 meg 3/110 with a 28 meg Clearpoint board, so I know 32
megs with a 3/100 series CPU is possible; I just don't know whether
this Helios board can be configured for a start address of eight megs.
I did find a setting which resulted in a 26 meg system (presumably
intended for 2 meg CPU boards), but I didn't find one for 32 megs.

The part number of the Helios board is ASM 9005-24 (REV A).  The 24 is
written in, not etched into the board, which suggests that the board
was shipped with varying amounts of memory soldered in, and the DIP
switches tell, in part, how much of it is present.  Based on my
experiments, at least one of them seems to specify a starting address.

What I would like is either a way of telling the Helios board to use
the last 24 of 32 megs of memory, or a way of telling my 4 meg SCSI
board to use the last 4 of 32 megs (but the latter seems unlikely).
The part number of the Sun memory board is 501-1122.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: tony@zaphod.bellcore.com (Anthony Jayakumar)
Subject: Sun 4.1.2 does not boot with external VME slave
Organization: Morristown Research and Engineering
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:26:43 GMT

Hello Everyone:

We have a vme extender card cage that is connected to a Sun4/330, 33 MHz,
and has some custom VME slave cards plugged into it. The VME slave
cards are nothing fancy, they just return a DTACK when addressed.
This setup worked fine under SunOS Release 4.0.  When we recently
upgraded the software to SunOS Release 4.1.2, the machine refuses
to boot up and panics with a "memory address alignment" when checking
file systems with the VME slave cards powered on. If I remove the 
slave cards, the machine boots fine. What is it in Release 4.1.2
that checks the VME bus during power up that was not in previous
releases?

Thanks for any help.

Tony Jayakumar
tony@bellcore.com
445 South St.
Morristown, NJ 07961
From: mike@CIS.Prime.COM (Mike Causer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Old SUN question HELP!!!!!
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:46:41 GMT
Reply-To: mike@CIS.Prime.COM
Organization: Computervision R&D Ltd


As long as you don't want to run any X window managers, or expect the
performance of a SparcStation you have got a reasonable standlone or
networked computing environment.  I have one at home used for program
development (gawk mostly) and learning/experimenting with languages
(Prolog, Pascal) text editing (letters, magazine articles), spreadsheet
applications (using `sc') etc.  It doesn't go as fast as the Sparc IPC
that Computervision pays me to use, but CV doesn't provide a fridge
full of beer to sip during the performance pauses.

Technically it uses a Motorola 68010 running some low number of MHz,
can support up to 4Mb of memory, SCSI connections to a variety of discs
(roughly 40 to 140 Mb each), SCSI tape (QIC-11 and QIC-24), RS232 ports
and anything else that fits into a Multibus backplane for which you
write a driver.  Operating systems are based on BSD4.2 with lots of Sun
additions, libraries etc.  Lots of FSF stuff can be built & used on it
- occasionally after a bit of a struggle with makefiles.

Good for lots of things in my view.

Mike Causer     (mike@cis.prime.com)  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: svarten@solace.hsh.se (Christer Jansson)
Subject: formating a Micropolis 1375 with a Sun 3/80
Organization: Solace Computer Club, Sundsvall, Sweden
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:15:55 MET

Hi,

I have some problems when trying to format a Micropolis 1375
with a sun 3/80 workstation. It didn't recognize the drive itself
so I had to define it as other in the type menu, parameters enterd
as this:

<Micropolis 1375 cyl 1022 alt 2 hd 8 sec 35>

When I format it I get the following:

Block 286686  (1023/7/1), Fatal non-media error (illegal request)
Warning: error writing backup label.
Block 286688  (1023/7/3), Fatal non-media error (illegal request)
Warning: error writing backup label.
Block 286690  (1023/7/5), Fatal non-media error (illegal request)
Warning: error writing backup label.
Block 286692  (1023/7/7), Fatal non-media error (illegal request)
Warning: error writing backup label.
Block 286694  (1023/7/9), Fatal non-media error (illegal request)
Warning: error writing backup label.

After this I changed it to:

<Micropolis 1375 cyl 1020 alt 2 hd 8 sec 35>

And got the same error but instead of on cylinder 1023 it was on 1021.
It says it is not a media-error.. so I hope my disk is fine, even if it
is alittle old it has never been used before, and it did work when once
tried on a PC. The disk has no deffects on the surface according to
manufacturer.

If anyone knows what might be wrong or can help in anyway I would
appreciate it.

-- 
Christer H. Jansson, Solace, Hogskolan Sundsvall/Harnosand, Sweden
E-mail: svarten@solace.hsh.se, lysator.liu.se or abacus.hgs.se
"Elks are the most beautiful animals on this earth"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: WANTED: dongle for unpluggable (type-4) keyboard
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:57:08 GMT


>Scenario: we have an IPC built in to the lecturers' bench in one of our
>theatres driving a large-screen projection system.  Because the theatre is a
>relatively open shared resource we would like to be able to unplug the
>keyboard and mouse and store them separately (we already do this with the
>monitor).

You'll fry the keyboard sooner or later by unplugging/plugging it hot.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: euapbn@eua.ericsson.se (Per.Borjeson)
Subject: Re: format.dat for QUANTUM ProDrive 210S
Reply-To: euapbn@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:13:25 GMT

In article 726482842@batman, hartz@batman.imat.uni-kassel.de (Joerg-Otto Hartz) writes:
>  I need to find the specs for a QUANTUM 210S Prodrive. A format.dat would be great.
> 
> Thanks...
> 
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> | Joerg-Otto Hartz      or hartz@batman.imat.maschinenbau.uni-kassel.de |
> | Man-Machine-Systems Group                                             |
> | Dept. of Mechanical Engineering                                       |
> | University of Kassel                                                  |
> | Kassel, Germany                                                       |
> | Phone : (-49) 561 804 2755                                            |
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I hope this is the right one:

disk_type = "Quantum 210S" \
      : ctlr = IOASIC : fmt_time = 3 \
      : ncyl = 1154 : acyl = 2 : pcyl = 1156 : nhead = 7 : nsect = 50 \
      : rpm = 3600 : bpt = 226112 \
      : cache = 0x11 : nzone = 8 : trks_zone = 7 : asect = 2 : atrks = 0
partition = "Quantum 210S" \
      : disk = "Quantum 210S" : ctlr = IOASIC \
      : a = 0, 17157 : b = 57, 66220 : c = 0, 391300 : d = 277, 18963 \
      : g = 340, 288960


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: paul@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul Antoine)
Subject: Re: monitors....
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date:  6 Jan 93 22:15:01 GMT

In <1993Jan6.170750@cs.bham.ac.uk> aqw@cs.bham.ac.uk (Andy Williams) writes:

>In article <C0CtL7.nF@calvin.demon.co.uk> barrie@calvin.demon.co.uk
> (Barrie Spence) writes:
>>I find that with our new 16" and 19" mono screens that either the
>>centre or the edge of the screen is in focus, but not both. They are
>>really pretty naff. I haven't seen your 'popping' tho'.

>We also received some new 16" colour screens from Sun which all
>feature a focus problem (as above), have a convergence problem, and
>also exhibit quite strong pin-cushioning effects.
>According to Sun we should expect this on these type of monitors, (the
>expensive Sony Trinitron types). This is utter rot as I have seen
>crystal clear displays on clones with similar montiors. I have a
>feeling that they are trying to fob us off with a bad batch of
>monitors.

Nahhh, they're just poorly set up.  Any decent TV/VIDEO technician can
tweak them until they're beautiful.  Trinitron monitors are a little
finicky, but well worth the effort.  Sun is trying to avoid a service
call methinx...

Paul

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: hartz@batman.imat.uni-kassel.de (Joerg-Otto Hartz)
Subject: format.dat for QUANTUM ProDrive 210S
Keywords: format.dat
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:47:22 GMT

 I need to find the specs for a QUANTUM 210S Prodrive. A format.dat would be great.

Thanks...

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| Joerg-Otto Hartz      or hartz@batman.imat.maschinenbau.uni-kassel.de |
| Man-Machine-Systems Group                                             |
| Dept. of Mechanical Engineering                                       |
| University of Kassel                                                  |
| Kassel, Germany                                                       |
| Phone : (-49) 561 804 2755                                            |
| FAX   : (-49) 561 804 3542                                            |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: roger@zeus.alta-oh.com (Roger Grywalski)
Subject: CG3 question
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:51:46 GMT
Organization: ALTA Analytics

I have a CG3 board for my Sun3/260 and want to use it with a HP monitor.  The
CG3 board has Red,Green,Blue, and Sync connectors, the monitor has only Red,
Green, and Blue connectors, (the Syn and Green are on the same line).  How
can I combine the Sync and the Green signals comming out of the board?  Is
it as simple as connecting the lines with a T-connector?  Also does anyone
have the specs on a CG3 board handy?  Refresh rates, ect.   Thanks...
-- 
Roger Grywalski          roger@alta-oh.com
ALTA Analytics           PH# (614) 792-2222
555 Metro Place North
Dublin, Oh 43017

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Help!!! (Looking for a speaker jack)
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:08:14 GMT


>Did someone lose the cable that came with your SPARCstation?

Only recent machines come with one standard.  A 4/65 that I received,
for example, came with an easily-missed card to send in to get one.
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From: pen@lysator.liu.se (Peter Eriksson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Old Sun question - HELP!!!!!
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:10:24 GMT
Organization: Lysator ACC at Linkoping University

earle@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Greg Earle - Gainfully Unemployed) writes:

>In article <rcaldwel.726296968@ponder> rcaldwel@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Roger Caldwell) writes:
>>I have a old Sun Microsystems machine, model number Sun-2/120
>>
>>Could some kind soul PLEASE tell me what I have, is it good for anything.

>You have a 2nd-generation Sun Workstation, dating from late 1983.  Welcome to
>9+ year old hardware technology.
...
>The memory boards have to be adjacent to the CPU board in slot 1, and they
>can go in slots 2, 3, 4 and 5, yielding a maximum of 4 Mb.

Not quite. There are also 4MB memory boards available. So it is possible
to create a machine with a maximum of 7MB of RAM (one 4MB board and three
1MB boards). We have one such machine running here. (And other with 6MB).

...
>This makes it slower than a snail.  The latest operating system available

Well, one of our 2/120s are acting as an X11R5 terminal, which it does
quite well. It's not the fastest around, but it is atleast usable. And
it runs SunOS 4.0.3.

...
>Basically, any modern PC will run rings around your old, tired warhorse.
>Seriously, ditch it and get a 486DX2/66 or 486DX/50-based PC clone system and
>run 386BSD (4.3BSD++ based) on it instead.  Send your Sun-2/120 to a museum ..

Nah. Send it to us instead. But seriously. I would use it as an X terminal
connected to a 486 running Linux if I had the choice. Not many PCs around
with a 1150x900 resolution screen... 

/Peter
--
Peter Eriksson                                              pen@lysator.liu.se
Lysator Academic Computer Society                 ...!uunet!lysator.liu.se!pen
University of Linkoping, Sweden                I'm still bored. Flame me again.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: Sun's ZS chips (was Re: Old Sun question - HELP!!!!!)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:53:39 GMT

In article <C0ovHw.28H@lysator.liu.se> pen@lysator.liu.se (Peter Eriksson) writes:
"But I agree, Sun could have choosen to use the newer Z85230 (I think that
"was the name of the new version of the old Z8530) chip. It has receive
"and transmit FIFOs making it possible to reduce the number of interrupts
"needed (with a little clever programming) while still being backwards
"compatible.

are they pin-compatible?  enquiring minds want to know...

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a_d_hay@att.com	|	zone in the darkened room at the night gallery	       |
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From: snozer@cats.ucsc.edu (Daniel Craig Jalkut)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Slow text transfer on Sun 3/50 (was Re: Sun's ZS chips)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:09:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu



All this talk about the misfeatures of the zs serial chips makes me 
curious about a problem I'm always had with my Sun 3/50 at a speeds
higher than 9600 baud.  When I connect at 14.4 for instance, I lost a 
lose a lot of text when large screenfulls are transmitted at once.  I'm 
connecting throug tip and it will usually just display say the first 
part of a transmitted page of text, then stop, and only display the last 
couple lines upon starting again. This makes it impossible to read text 
reliably, and in extreme cases, this has even frozen tip and may machine 
to a point that I need to reboot with L1-A.  I would like to be able to use
a 14.4 connection from my sun because file transfers work fine at 14.4 
and I don't want to sacrifice that benefit, but I can't handle losing text
if I'm going to be making a call that will involve file transferring and 
text reading. 

Any ideas?

-Daniel.
From: aqw@cs.bham.ac.uk (Andy Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: monitors....
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:07:50 GMT
Organization: The Istari Council

In article <C0CtL7.nF@calvin.demon.co.uk> barrie@calvin.demon.co.uk
 (Barrie Spence) writes:
>I find that with our new 16" and 19" mono screens that either the
>centre or the edge of the screen is in focus, but not both. They are
>really pretty naff. I haven't seen your 'popping' tho'.

>Barrie

We also received some new 16" colour screens from Sun which all
feature a focus problem (as above), have a convergence problem, and
also exhibit quite strong pin-cushioning effects.
According to Sun we should expect this on these type of monitors, (the
expensive Sony Trinitron types). This is utter rot as I have seen
crystal clear displays on clones with similar montiors. I have a
feeling that they are trying to fob us off with a bad batch of
monitors.

Andy.
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: ms4@cec1.wustl.edu (M. Shreedhar)
Subject: Process Migration
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:27:25 GMT


	

	Process Migration between Homogenous SunS does not seem 
	complicated; atleast on paper. So why hasn't Sun got down
	to implementing it? Or is a future version of SunOS going 
	to have it? 
	
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: mdoob@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Doob)
Subject: Standing the pizza box on end
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:51:01 GMT

Are there any problems running a sparc2 with pizza box in vertical
position? Presumably the fan exhausting out the top would satisfy the
cooling requirements. What about the hard disk? Anyone tried it?

Michael


Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: emike@sdc.com (E. Mike Durbin)
Subject: Re: Question about SparcClassic
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:55:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.213126.7090@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.150038.13512@sdc.com> emike@sdc.com (E. Mike Durbin) writes:
>>In article <16278@auspex-gw.auspex.com> guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:
>>>
>>>fm3.0X is statically linked with "libc", fm3.1a is, apparently,
>>>dynamically linked with "libc".
>>
>>Even fm3.1 is static.  I haven't seen 3.1a, but am now looking for it very
>>seriously.  From my system:
>>
>>    179emike@sdc> ldd /tools/frame3.1/bin/bin.sun4/maker3X.exe 
>>    /tools/frame3.1/bin/bin.sun4/maker3X.exe: statically linked
>
>schooner<903>% ldd /usr/local/share/frame/bin/bin.sun4/maker3X.exe
>        -lc.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.1.7
>        -ldl.1 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0
>
>This is fm3.1X, for Xwindows instead of OpenLook. Purchased last summer.
>-- 
>Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
>Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu


OK.

3.1X is statically linked (Version 3.1).

The 3.1A CD (Version 3.1A) contains both X and OL versions.  maker3X.exe is
dynamically linked but fmbatch, rpc.frameusersd and fmprintdriver are
statically linked.

The OL version contains all dyamically linked executables except fmMfont2bfont.

Unfortunately, you can't used OL fm* commands for the X version.

Don't know yet what happens if you move the X maker3X.exe to the OL directory.

But it is probable that the OL version will work with Solaris 2.1.  I'll find
out more later this week as a test in my spare time.

emike
-- 
			E. Mike Durbin
Systems Development Corp.		Open Business Systems, Inc.
emike@sdc.com				emike@obs.com