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From: bam@Bang.UUCP (Bret A. Marquis)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: USENET Thought Police [was Re: CD ROM INC.  CATALOG REQUESTS!]
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:50:47 GMT
Reply-To: bam%bang@trout.nosc.mil
Organization: Marquis Property Development Co., San Diego
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

merlin (merlin@neuro.usc.edu) wrote:
: 
: Personally, I find it extremely rude, inconsiderate, and a gross abuse
: of network etiquette to invite huge numbers of people to flood anyone's
: email mailbox with hate mail.  This kind of personal attack may be far
: worse than simply allowing someone who may be unfamiliar with what the
: originator of this flamefest considers common knowledge.
: 

You may find it rude, but I do not pay a whopping big phone bill each
month to carry commerical ads for other companies.  There are more
appropriate news groups just for such ads.  This net would really become
a nightmare if every manufacturer, distributer, dealer et all posted
their own ad whenever they felt the urge.

In this case, some tiny Colorado vendor posts a planetwide advertisement
for their products.  Thats worse than junk mail since I (and many many
others) are paying to propagate his advertising.  It is inappropriate
for him to have posted it here.  I "choose" to carry and forward the
'wanted' and 'for.sale' groups.  I even peruse them from time to time,
but I'd stop carrying most groups if it turned into an advertising free
for all.

Bret Marquis (on the net since '81)
crash!bang!bam
From: mcafee@acadia.Kodak.COM (Paul McAfee)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Photo CD
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:08:25 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co.



Expires: December 31, 1992 

Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

Keywords: Kodak Photo CD 

I work for Kodak and will try to get some answers for Photo CD-related	
questions.  However there are some questions that I just may not be able	
to answer, so please bear with me.  Also, understand that I am NOT a technical
person, or a programmer. I work in communications.

One ground rule.  I will treat questioners with respect, and will expect that
messages addressed to me, or to the general public with expectation of a   
response from me, will be written in a civil manner.  I will not engage in
a shouting match or mud slinging contest. Neither of these brings any benefit



to me, to Kodak, or those of you who are willing to communicate in a rational 
fashion. 

One request made recently is for patent numbers.  This is a tough one.  As a
policy, Kodak doesn't publish these, yet they are available for those who wish
to conduct a search.  The patents DO exist for Photo CD, and a simple search
will reveal this to be a fact.

Realizing that this audience is UNIX-based, I still will share the following.
Apple recently released version 1.5 of QuickTime.  This extension to System 7.n
brings transparent access to Photo CD images at the system level.  Double-click
on a Photo CD icon, and it opens in the default program-of-choice, in the default
resolution.  This works when using the QucikTime Slide Show app that is 	incloded.  An alternative is to select the Photos folder with the desired
resolution (one of the five resolutions available for each Photo CD image),
and then double click on the Photo CD picture icon.  Again, the image is 
opened in the user-selected default image editing program.  This way, Photo CD
images can be used with any Mac program that can handle standard image file
formats, including (of course) PICT.  If a program isn't selected, the image
opens as PICT, which is pretty standard for Macs.

Paul McAfee
mcafee@kodak.com


 .
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: PAOLIVER@INDYVAX.BITNET
Subject: Flames re: CDROM Inc. / Stuart Andrews
Reply-To: PAOLIVER@INDYVAX.bitnet
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:07:28 GMT

   There's something annoying about seeing an especially sanctimonious
anti-commercial flame. Who the hell do you think is taxed to support
these networks, pal?
   Furthermore, I see very little negative discussion regarding the
numerous references and apparent outright advertising from Walnut Creek.
So why pick on CD-ROM?
   This is not to say that ads are necessarily appropriate. But the
individual sending it probably knew nothing about any restriction.
   Many electronic magazines take submissions from employees of various
electronic companies. In effect, their articles may be a long, albeit
hidden, ad for their company's products. So what? Who's better qualified
to talk about them? Although clearly, others should be encouraged to
point out the warts.
  This field is new and exciting enough that I for one have no objection
to say Toshiba or Philips or Kodak or Walnut Creek or CD-ROM or ? to
posting informative and accurate data on their wares, within some reasonable
non-redundant limit (i.e., not posting 50K of stuff every day.)
This would serve the important role of giving actual data rather than
hearsay (hopefully -- not always.)
-- Phil Oliver
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: bwilliam@iat.holonet.net (Bill Williams)
Subject: Re: Multisession CD-ROM drives
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:21:41 GMT

The Apple300 CD ROM drive, and the Apple 3001 contain Sony CDU-8003
mechanisms.  One might claim that these are similar to the CDU561, but
could not claim that it is just a relabled CDU561.

For example the Sony CDU-8002 is very very different from the Sony 541,
and though I don't think that a CDU561 will be as different from a Sony
CDU-8002 as those devices were I bet there will be some differences.

Bill Williams

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,general,nyx.misc
From: ephillip@nyx.cs.du.edu (Edy Phillips)
Subject: CD ROM INC.  CATALOG REQUESTS!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
Disclaimer1: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of
Disclaimer2: Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
Disclaimer3: control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 04:05:00 GMT

To all who are interested in CD ROM technology.  Now there is a compnay
named CD ROM INC.  in Golden CO.  We sell CD ROM DRIVES AND DISCS!
We also sell an array of accesories.  We have our own CD ROM DRIVE called
the CRI 1000.  The internal is priced at $400 and the external model is
$500.  We have a fall '92 catalog out right now!  Soon we will be
publishing a winter '92 '93 catalog.  So if you are looking for CD ROM
products or just interested, We have it all!  
The phone number is (303) 231-9373.  Or you can email
ephillip@nyx.cs.du.edu and leave your adress and we will mail you a
catalog and you put you on our mailing list for future catalogs.  We have
divisions for all types of buyers we have a Vender,Consulting,Government,
General Public, Educational and International departments.
The adress is

CD ROM INC.
1667 Cole Blvd., Ste. 400
Golden, CO 80401
USA

Thanx  -*Edmund Phillips*-  employee at CD ROM INC!


Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: 71610.442@COMPUSERVE.COM (Howard McQueen)
Subject: CD-ROM LAN / WAN WORKSHOPS
Reply-To: Howard McQueen <71610.442@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:50:30 GMT

   To: Subscribers of CDROM-L and CDROMLAN

   RE: CD-ROM LAN / WAN Networking Seminars

 When: December 2 and December 3, 1992

Where: Washington, DC - 1575 Eye Street


MORNING SESSION

These are full-day workshops which cover the basics of Local-Area-
Networking of CD-ROMs and system designs in the morning.  A detailed
overview of MSCDEX and ISO 9660 is reviewed, along with CD-ROM device
driver technology.  The instructor, Howard McQueen, will demonstrate
a 386-based LAN and discuss server caching, SCSI technology, menuing,
usage-tracking, application metering and application inactivity
management.  SCSI Express, OPTI-NET, CD NET, CD Connection, CD
Networker and other CD-ROM networking solutions will be discussed.
LANtastic, Netware (2.x and 3.x), Banyan Vines, OS/2, 3COM and other NOSs wi
[D

Network operting system solutions will be discussed.


AFTERNOON SESSION

The afternoon session covers analog dial-access technologies, including
remote control and remote client solutions.  Howard has assisted a number
oof Government, public, university and corporate institutions create
WAN access.  The second part of the afternoon centers around enterprise-
wide access to CD-ROM information.  This section focuses on networking
designs that enfranchise MS-DOS/Windows, Macintosh and Unix users with
access to the enormous wealth of MS-DOS CD-ROM databases.

Howard will present system designs that provide TCP/IP compliance over
carefully regulated backbones.  Issues relating to migrating data from
CD-ROM to magnetic will be discussed, along with several successful case
studies.

Finally, networked optical jukeboxes will be discussed as a means to
deliver images to users.  Howard will also position multi-media and the
issues associated with providing interactive motion video and sound over
todays networks.

Please send us your fax number so we can transmit the registation form

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..
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Baltimore, MD  21210
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: tom@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Thomas Erskine)
Subject: What is the expected lifetime of CDROMs?
Organization: Communications Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 14:18:58 GMT

We've been looking at getting CDROM making hardware.  We had a demo
recently of the Young Minds software/hardware and it seemed simple to
set up and process.  Someone asked the guys giving the demo how long the
CDROMs would last and was told at least 10 years.  However one of our
guys had heard that some of these make CDROMs which only last 6months to
a year.  

e there different kinds?  How can I tell the difference? It says Ricoh
recordable compact disc type 74.

Thanks.
-- 
Thomas Erskine        <tom@clark.dgim.doc.ca>           (613) 998-2836
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Will CD300[i] work with a NeXT?
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:17:26 GMT
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway

In article <1992Nov5.130541.9921@alf.uib.no> edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) writes:
>
>I have the 'standard' NeXT CD-Rom player (Sony mechanism).
>I was wondering if I could instead use Apples newest CD300/
>CD300i, which includes all the formats the NeXT reads (ISO9660,
>Rockridge, Mac HFS, NeXT proprietary, Music) plus Photo CD (and 
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ooops.  My mistake.  Of course the Apple drive cannot be expected 
to read NeXT proprietary formatted CDs.  But will it work anyway? :-)

>maybe one more I forgot).  If I could use it as a regular NeXT CD
>that would be great, as drivers for the 'other' formats could
>be used as they are developed, I assume.
>
>So, is Apples SCSI been revamped to 'real' SCSI (i.e. works on
>all generic SCSI buses - Sun, Dec, NeXT, IBM) so I can plug
>this drive in and go?
>
>Anyone have any experience with this drive on  a NeXT, or other
>CD-Roms that read the Kodak Photo-CD disks???
>
>Regards,
>Thor
>edmtl@alf.uib.no
>
>
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: PAOLIVER@INDYVAX.BITNET
Subject: RE: Flames re: CDROM Inc. / Stuart Andrews
Reply-To: PAOLIVER@INDYVAX.bitnet
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:29:52 GMT

>Which networks are you talking about?
>        sean

   The backbone for Internet is funded by NSF, which is tax supported.
Other educational networks ditto. At least this is my understanding.
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: s400@brems.ii.uib.no (Kurt Hatlevik)
Subject: Creative Labs CDROM and KODAK-CD
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 11:28:59 GMT


-- 
A few days ago, I got my first Kodak Photo-CD.  
I ran home to try it on my Creative Labs Multi-Media CDROM.
And guess what.  I could not access it.  It does not work.
Can anybody tell me why ???

s400@brems.ii.uib.no
 
__________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: MYERS@TCUCVMS.BITNET
Subject: Subscription
Reply-To: MYERS@TCUCVMS.bitnet
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 07:59:50 GMT

Subscribe Russell Myers
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: wade@nb.rockwell.com (Wade Guthrie)
Subject: Texel DM-3021 and ASPI (PC-SCSI): what settings?
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:43:17 GMT



I just picked-up a Texel CD-ROM drive and installed it in my PC, but I don't
know how to get audio out of it and I'm not entirely sure the data part works
yet.  The Adaptec CD-ROM driver has different drivers for different types of
CD-ROM; what should I use (Texel is not listed)?  Once I do that, how do I
get audio out (is there software that I need to do audio -- I assumed that 
some would come with the drive, but I was mistaken).

Now, as to the data.  I took home a Sun CD-ROM disc to try my drive (the
discs I ordered are coming in a couple of days).  I could read the files in
the root directory, but I couldn't 'cd' into any of the directories.  The Sun
CD-ROM uses the High Sierra format, but the ASPI drivers said that they support
High Sierra.

Thanks for any help I can get.


Signed,
Confused
wade@nb.rockwell.com
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV)
Subject: Re: Bottom Line on Photo CD
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:54:59 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Department of Electrical Engineering

In article <1992Nov11.134552.26780@kodak.kodak.com> axman@acadia.Kodak.COM (Mike Axman) writes:

...response to stuff about unfairness of patents...

>
>Or maybe just the opposite.  If the small programmer relies on trade 
>secrets to protect his investment, he's going to find that the BIG software
>companies with resources to do so, will reverse engineer his "trade secrets" 
>a few weeks after product introduction. 
>

Actually Mike, what happens is the small programmer uses trade secrets to
hide the fact that he has infringed on dozens of patents in each of his 
programs.  Small programmers, such as myself, can't afford to spend weeks
of time, for each line of code written, to determine if we have infringed on
someone elses patented algorithm.  So we have to write our programs, and
cross our fingers that nobody decompiles our code and finds one of their
patented "thingies" living in it.


Chuck Harris - WA3UQV
C.F. Harris - Consulting
From: mberhan@cup.portal.com (Mike D Berhan)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Looking for a program to lock cd drives
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 92 16:19:55 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

rosselli@ucs.indiana.edu writes:

>While I'm aware of the cdlock program available at a number of ftp sites,
>it does not support all of the drives I make available to the public at
>my library.  Is anyone aware of any other programs that fulfill this
>function?  Or better yet, does anyone know of an *inexpensive* hardware
>addition?
>Thanks
>Nicholas Rosselli
>rosselli@iubacs.bitnet
>rosselli@ucs.indiana.edu

I have written a Windows program that will software lock CD-ROM drives.
Requires an ASPI based SCSI host adapter.  Keep in mind that turning the
CD-ROM drive off and then on will then make the media ejectable.  I don't
know of any ftp site that carries the program (SHOWSCSI.EXE) but it's up
on CompuServe (LIB 1 of IBMHW, WNSCSI.ZIP) as well as the Adaptec BBS
(WINSCSI.ZIP).

Mike Berhan
mberhan@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp ("Y.Tsuji")
Subject: Re: Any info on reading Sony EB format?
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: aqua11.cfi.waseda.ac.jp
Organization: Shagaku, WASEDA University, Tokyo
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:46:32 GMT


As I posted earlier, there's no need to buy expensive software to handle
Sony's DiscMan software. Someone mentioned his company was going to sell
a product, but everyone should know there are at least four public domain
software available and they are very good. (check my earlier postings)
And I also pointed out that people know how to use a smallish CD on a
standard CD drive (buy an adaptor at a music shop for a dollar!)

I just wanted to intervene in misleading info.

Tsuji

P.S.
Sony has apparently waived their copyright against disclosure of their
format since the PD software have been around for at least 20 months.
-- 
				
				ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: vsonerud@Siri.Unit.NO (Vidar Sonerud)
Subject: Re: Photo-CD and Corel Draw
Keywords: Photo-CD
Reply-To: vsonerud@Siri.Unit.NO (Vidar Sonerud)
Organization: University of Trondheim
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 16:00:32 GMT

In a previous article,  aa699@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Thomas) says:

>Corel can access Photo-CD data through its Mosaic file manager
>utility.  This utility allows you to convert it to a standard
>bitmap file (such as TIFF or PCX).

I have Corel Draw 3.0 for PC, but have not been able to read Photo-CD files, 
that is the 'raw format' files (*.pcd).

The situation is that I don't have a CD-ROM player for my PC, but I have 
access to a CD-ROM player connected to a SUN workstation, which can read 
single-session Photo-CDs, and from which I therefore can obtain the 'raw 
format' (*.pcd ) files.

I don't have any software/tools (other than Hadmut's 'hpcdtoppm' program ) 
for the SUN workstation, so I would very much like to be able to read the
*.pcd files on my PC.

Anyone who knows if this is possible using Corel Draw 3.0 ?

I have tried using both the 'Photo Paint' program and the 'Mosaic' file 
manager program (in addition to the 'CorelDraw' program itself ), but with
no success.

(BTW: I have also tried this using Corel Draw 2.5 for OS2/2.0 )

So, any help on this would be highly appreciated !


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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: axman@acadia.Kodak.COM (Mike Axman)
Subject: Re: writable cd prices dr
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:51:28 GMT

In article <19929.4084.385@dosgate>, "david shadoff" <david.shadoff@canrem.com> writes:
>In message <1992Nov6.150338.24180@kodak.kodak.com>,
>axman@acadia.Kodak.COM (Mike Axman) writes:
>
>>Although I don't work in the media area, my understanding is that our goals
>>are to make this media cheaply availble for generic applications.
>>I don't know what supply lines are developing beyond photofinishers, but
>>I think you'll see this stuff generally available for around a penny/byte
>>in the near future.   Current CD-writeable media is WAY overpriced, in my
>>opinion.
>
>I *HOPE* you meant 'a penny/Mbyte'.
>

Yes, I botched a few bit-shifts there.  My vision for the future is 
"6X CD-ROM reader-writers" on the desktop and lots of cheap media 
to burn.  The real challenge is for Kodak to be the preferred vendor 
of these items.

mike

> - Dave
> 
> /===================================================================\
>|    David Shadoff       |  Usenet:  david.shadoff@canrem.com         |
> \===================================================================/
>---
>  DeLuxe 1.21 #7291  Now the angels wanna wear my red shoes.
>--
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>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

-- 
Mike Axman  
CD-Imaging Advanced Development
Eastman Kodak Company
axman@kodak.com


DISCLAIMER:
Kodak gives me this Net access for free, but they aren't 
responsible for my postings.
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: danisch@ira.uka.de (Hadmut Danisch )
Subject: Re: Are there any PhotoCD files out there I can get to via anon FTP?
Keywords: PhotoCD FTP
Reply-To: danisch@ira.uka.de
Organization: Univ. Karlsruhe
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:08:22 GMT


Since there are some news and mail requests where to
get Photo-CD images, i do a repost of a message which
i have posted some weeks ago:




For testing decoder software i have put three of my own
Photo-CD images on a FTP-Server. They are just for 
trying out how to read and how to view. I keep the
copyright of these pictures and the decoder. 


The connection to the Server is not one of the
fastest and they *need* it for other things.

***  So please use it at night (german time!) or at
***  weekend. 

Would be nice if more Servers would keep
Photo-CD images. Any free Servers there? Any people
who give their images? My compressed images need
2-3 MByte/image.

The images are at
switek.uni-muenster.de = 128.176.120.210

in directory /pub/pictures/PCD.

There you will find:

17.gif                  a decoded and ppmquanted image
Readme                  something about Copyright
hpcdtoppm.0.1.tar.Z     the source of my decoder
img0010.pcd             don't copy. This was corrupted while
                        transmission. I hope it will be killed soon.

img0010.pcd.Z           Images from my Photo-CD without 
img0016.pcd.Z           any modification, just compressed.
img0017.pcd.Z           


Hadmut
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Subject: Re: Bottom Line on Photo CD
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:17:29 GMT
Reply-To: rjn@FC.HP.COM
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Chris Arps (chris@ncmicro.lonestar.org) wrote:

> 1) If you can patent a lousy file format, then SONY could have
> patented the CD and its format and got a piece of every CD made.

They did. If you want to open a pressing plant for CD's, you need to have
the Philips/Sony "RedBook" spec, which is only provided to licensees of the
format.

> Why aren't you paying SONY, Kodak?

They probably are.

> 4) If this type of logic applies to standard products, then an automobile
> parts manufacturer that is making Ford replacement/enchancement parts
> could be sued for patent infringement.

This, in fact, often happens when the part's design is copyrighted.  It took
a court case to allow cloners of parts for antique cars to be able to make
these parts, and even then they need permission unless the auto maker is no
longer supplying the part in question.

None of my comments should be construed to imply that I either support or
oppose Kodak's actions and position.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
From: joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  )
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Caddyless CD-ROM Drives for the Mac?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 13:37:19 EST
Organization: Upchurch Computer Consulting, Orlando FL

Sproul@sproul.sproul.com (Mark Sproul) writes:
> having to use the caddies does make it cost a bit more, but I much
> prefer the caddies and would not buy one without caddies.  When you
> are using lots of CDs like I do and are always changing them in and
> out of the drive, you just buy a bunch of caddies.  The disks I use
> frequently always stay in a caddy.  I do NOT recommend drives that
> do not use caddies.

Ditto. I thought caddies were stupid until I found a cheap place
to buy caddies, so I can put just about all my CD-ROMs in caddies.
With the caddy you can treat the disks like 3.5 inch floppies; just
take one out and stick another in. A caddyless design takes two or
three times as long to switch disks and really needs both hands.
Walnut Creek has the cheapest caddy prices I know of, at about $5
a piece.

(If your mail bounces use the address below.)
Joel Upchurch/Upchurch Computer Consulting/718 Galsworthy/Orlando, FL 32809
joel@peora.ccur.com {uiucuxc,hoptoad,petsd,ucf-cs}!peora!joel (407) 859-0982