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From: 275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Please help: cancer and pet Yorkie (long)
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:45:03 GMT
Reply-To: 275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Hi,

I would just like to give some encouragement to netters facing cancer
and possibly chemo in dogs.  I know many of you feel that chemo is a
total waste and that it is hopeless.  Not true always.  We put our 13
year old Bedlington Terrier under surgery to remove a tumor attached
to her spleen that was malignment.  It was called a lymphoma sarcoma.
There was no evidence it spread but due to the size of the tumor this
type of cancer more than likely had.  She was given 2-4 months if not
treated.  Two weeks after surgery we put her through 6 months of the
most aggressive chemo there is.  Our vet was experienced with this and
excellent.  Due to her age at the time of detection he said he could
buy her at least a year and if she was younger maybe more.  My husband
is a Pharmeutical Rep so our vet let him supply all the drugs.  It is
still an expensive proposition because of all the blood tests.  She
was only sick about 6 weeks out of the 6 months.  She lost 4 pounds
and was lethargic during that period.  The rest of the time she still
took short walks and seemed affectionate as always and in pretty good
spirits.  I'm happy to say it is now 17 months later and she seems to
be totally cancer free from all blood tests.  She has some elevated
kidney levels from the chemo, but no problems yet.  Kidney damage will
worsen in time though.  She is now 14 1/2, so some do make it and unfortunately
some don't.  The main thing is to know whether the type of cancer your
dog has has good odds with chemo.  Our type did, but some don't and
hopefully your vet will be honest about this.

Wendy
275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: dnuttall@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: SPRINGFIELD CLUSTER
Reply-To: dnuttall@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:22:08 GMT

HI,

ANYONE OUT THERE GOING TO THE SPRINGFIELD CLUSTER THIS WEEKEND?

ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE BORDER TERRIERS?

LATA 

DORIS
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From: todd.honan@analog.com (Todd Honan)
Subject: Re: Pedigree Dog Stuff
Originator: honan@marlin
Organization: Analog Devices, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:39:48 GMT


>>In article <1992Nov17.011624.3560@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> >>julieann@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com (Julieann Fitchwell) writes:

>>=                           Pedigrees - The Pet Catalog
>>=                           1989 Transit Way
>>=                           Box 905
>>=                           Brockport, NY 14420-0905 
>>=                           (716) 637-1431

>Sounds like RCSteele by another name--note the address.  I suspect
>that Sporting Dog Specialties is also RCSteele by another name.  My
>recollection of the latter is that their prices are somewhat higher
>but they don't have the $50 minimum order.

>For comparison:

>R. C. Steele      1-800-872-3773        order number
>R. C. Steele      1-800-872-4506        customer service number
>R. C. Steele    1989 Transit Way, Box 910, Brockport, NY, 14420-0910
>R. C. Steele            #95-0002        dog-book list

>Does anyone who lives in that area know for sure (or anyone else,
>for that matter :).  Just curious...


>-- 
>Best,

>Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby                                "I'm the NRA!"
>          crs@lanl.gov

You are correct.  Sporting Dog Specialties and Pedigrees are part of RC Steele.
By ordering from these catalogs instead of the RC Steele catalog, you don't
have to have a mininum of $50 dollar order (no mininum is required I believe,
due to much higher margins on the same item!).

I know this because my sister used to work the phone lines for them (while a
starving student at SUNY Brockport) this past year.  She said that they would 
answer the phones with the Pedigrees, Sporting Dog, or RC Steele name depending 
on the phone number that showed up on their display.

If you're in Brockport and stop in (known there as Sporting Dog), you can get
the wholesale price with no mininum. :-)

Hope this helps,
Todd



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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: shelter puppies
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:43:28 GMT

 ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
> The pound is disease central...people with sick animals they
> can't afford to treat, strays, accidents, unvaccinated dogs
> and cats, infected wounds, droppings tracked everywhere.

Typical misconceptions here.

First, if the animal is sick and it's contagious, we're not going to
put it up for adoption, and it's not going to stay with the other
pets.  It will be quarantined until the owner reclaims it, it gets
better, or we euthanize it.  Second, animals from accidents, or with
wounds of any sort, as well as showing any symptoms of disease, will
automatically be quarantined for observation, whether stray or owner
released.

Third, unvaccinated dogs and cats arrive in about the same ratio as is
found in the population at large.  Fourth, the general health of
shelter pets is about that of the population at large.  The difference
is that no one's inspecting the population at large and separating
sick or possibly sick ones from the rest.

Fifth, at my local shelter, every cage and kennel of every pet is
cleaned and disinfected, every litter pan changed, every floor hosed
and squeegeed, every day, 7 days a week.  Stop by anytime and I
challenge you to step in or track a dropping.  But better yet, visit
your local shelter.  If it doesn't meet these standards, do something
about it.  Like volunteer.  And if it doesn't have cages and kennels
for each animal and a separate quarantine area, do something about it.
Like start a new building drive.

> Many people will walk along the cages, sticking their fingers
> from one canine nose and mouth to another.  Then to their own
> noses often as not.

You bet.  That's one reason why we take such precautions to clean,
inspect and quarantine.  The risks to each dog at a well run shelter are
the same as those found at a well run kennel, less than those found by
letting your dog encounter other dogs from the population at large.

-- Jon
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Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
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From: root@vinevalley.mc.xerox.com (Operator)
Subject: Weimariner & Borzoi needed !! Western New York
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: root@vinevalley.mc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corp.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:57:23 GMT

Post all follow ups to the newsgroup, I cannot receive mail in Xerox's internet !

My girlfriend and I have been looking at two breeds with interest. These are the Weimariner and Borzoi. Since each of us prefer the opposite one over the other we made a deal that whichever one we can get under $200 first will be the one we get.
   We do not need a show dog but would like a pure bred. If anyone can direct me to someone in the Western New York area I'd appreciate it.

	John Burkard
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From: megm@sco.COM (Meg McRoberts)
Subject: Re: Dirty Paws!
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 23:04:17 GMT


In article <1992Nov13.082445.2022@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca> steve@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca writes:
==> Are there such things as "Dog Boots"?  I would put them on before she went out
==> and take them off when she came in.  No more dirty floors/carpets!!!
==> 
==> Do these things exist?  Does anyone use them?  Do they stay on?  What do you
==> do?

when we lived in chicago, my lhasa got a fungal
infection between ALL her toes from getting her
feet wet in the snow (it takes forever for those
feet to dry out, so they were wet almost constantly).
the vet said she had to start wearing boots when she
went out in the snow.

we found some little suede boots on socks that were
attached to elastic suspenders that crossed on her
back (so all four boots were attached to each other).
it solved the problem of how to keep the boots up
without tying something tight around their legs
(which can cut off circulation and cause a host of
other problems).  i won't say my dog loved them boots
or anything, but she tolerated them and once she got
into the snow she still had a good time.

of course, by the time we put on the boots and
the sweater (again, to keep that long hair dry),
going outside was quite an ordeal -- made me sympathize
with the parents of small children who must deal with
snow suits!

meg mcroberts
uunet!sco!megm
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pedigree Dog Stuff
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:46:26 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <1992Nov17.011624.3560@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> julieann@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com (Julieann Fitchwell) writes:

=                           Pedigrees - The Pet Catalog
=                           1989 Transit Way
=                           Box 905
=                           Brockport, NY 14420-0905 
=                           (716) 637-1431

Sounds like RCSteele by another name--note the address.  I suspect
that Sporting Dog Specialties is also RCSteele by another name.  My
recollection of the latter is that their prices are somewhat higher
but they don't have the $50 minimum order.

For comparison:

R. C. Steele	  1-800-872-3773	order number
R. C. Steele	  1-800-872-4506	customer service number
R. C. Steele  	1989 Transit Way, Box 910, Brockport, NY, 14420-0910
R. C. Steele	  	#95-0002	dog-book list

Does anyone who lives in that area know for sure (or anyone else,
for that matter :).  Just curious...


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
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Subject: New Book? _Know_Your_Dog_
From: steve@vulture.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Schindler)
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:42:04 EST
Organization: Voice Systems Branch, NASA - Kennedy Space Center

A local book store has just started promoting _Know_Your_Dog_ by
Bruce Fogle, D.V.M. Does anyone have comments on this book?

Thanks,
Steve

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From: T00X000 <T00X@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: Dirty Paws!
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:24:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.082445.2022@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca> steve@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca writes:
>We have a 5.5mo golden that is, and always will be, an indoor dog.
>
>We let her out to take care of business and, depending on the weather, when we
>let her back in, we have to clean her paws.  Most times, a wipe with a towel
>isn't good enough so we carry her to the tub to wash her paws.  This isn't too
>much of a problem at 47lbs but I expect her to get bigger.
>
>I was thinking there must be a better way.
>
On muddy paws, wiping first with a damp towel and then a dry
towel seems to do the job.

>Are there such things as "Dog Boots"?  I would put them on before she went out
>and take them off when she came in.  No more dirty floors/carpets!!!
>
>Do these things exist?  Does anyone use them?  Do they stay on?  What do you
>do?
>
R.C. Steele sells 2 types of dog boots. I believe one is nylon and
the other is leather. I have never tried them but from the looks
of them they may require some wrestling to get them on and off.
There is also the possibility that your dog will absolutely refuse
to wear such things.

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From: cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets,ba.market.misc
Subject: PET FAIR -  Saturday 11/21 in Los Gatos
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:07:35 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: ba
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California


=== PET FAIR ===	=== PET FAIR ===	=== PET FAIR ===

		Saturday, November 21, 11 am to 2 pm
		Front lawn of Los Gatos High School

Address:
	20 High School Court
	Los Gatos, CA  94032

... Prizes ... Free Samples .... Awards ... Services ... Family Fun ...

Bring your pet!  You may participate in any of the following contests: 

	- Pet Fashion Show
	- Ugliest Pet Contest
	- Pet/Owner Look-alike Contest (How would you like to win both
		this and the previous one?)
	- Pet Talent Contest

There is an entry donation of $2 per contest.  The donations go to
the Recreation Department Scholarship fund.


	FOR MORE INFORMATION CALL CARL RETTINGER (408)354-8700


=== PET FAIR ===	=== PET FAIR ===	=== PET FAIR ===
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: teething
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:04:57 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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My pup is teething (losing baby teeth, getting adult teeth).  Obviously her
gums are really bothering her (won't eat non-soggy food; won't play favorite
'fetch' games when she has to use her teeth to pick up the ball; mouths
everything & whines a bit, even while chewing; etc.)

Is there any reason not to use Baby Ambesol (or some similar baby-teething
product) on a pup?  My aunt suggested rubbing pup's gums with whiskey -- said
she did the same thing w. her kids(!) & it worked great.

I'd like to give her some relief, but don't want to give her a "cure" thats
worse than the original problem...

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
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From: djcasola@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Dawn Frier)
Subject: Update - Lab skin problem
Keywords: lab,dandruff-like
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:05:55 GMT

I'm happy to say Patches' skin problem is fixed.
Thanks to all those who responded.

Here's the scoop:
The pills and creme which he was on didn't do anything.
Patches returned to the vet for a checkup and the doctor
recommended a food additive - essential fatty acids thing.
It needs to be added to every meal but I'm happy to say
it did the trick and the dandruff(?) went away and his
coat looks better than before.  I'm also happy to say that
this seems to have also remedied his overly excessive shedding.

My happy healthy (well as healthy as a 13 yr old can be) baby is
back!

:-)
Dawn
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From: cyphers@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Julie Cyphers)
Subject: Corn Chip odor (?)
Reply-To: cyphers@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Julie Cyphers)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:38:46 GMT

Hi - I saw a while back discussions on "corn-chip" odors.
I can't remember the reasons for this?  Was it skin allergies?
I am now battling a problem with my dog's skin (Border Terrier).
She has *very* greasy fur.  The vet has ran numerous tests and
cannot come up with anything yet.  Next we go to the dermatologist.
This morning I noticed that my dog did smell like corn chips and
I remembered seeing this here, but couldn't remember the reasons.
*Any* help would be appreciated!!!

Julie Cyphers
cyphers@spinner.hq.ileaf.com

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From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Rottweilers for search & rescue (was: on sailboats)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:43:49 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-14342]: diana

Michael Sierchio writes:

>I can't imagine a Rottweiler making a good search and rescue dog -- they
>don't have the long distance endurance/speed combination for wilderness
>search and rescue, and they are too big/bulky for disaster search and
>rescue.
>
>Not that they can't be trained to do the exercises, but if you're serious
>about S&R, you'll do better with a GSD, Lab, Dobie, Malinois, etc.

Actually, Rottweilers were originally bred as drover (cattle) dogs, and
have been used recently as draught animals.  Carting is no longer
done in (parts of?) Europe, though, for humane considersations.

So in the distant past they kept up with the herds, and in the recent
past they have pulled loads long distances in the German Alps.

Their stocky build is needed to move cows around and to pull heavy loads.

If this is a consideration for a potential owner, make sure the dog's
ancestors were certified as having endurance -- I forget the details
of the test, but is is fairly standard among German breeders and I have
seen it used here in the U.S. (By Milzappa Rottweilers).

Damon
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From: nrudins@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Nancy Rudins Cray Operations)
Subject: Re: Falk, K-9 cop, shot & lives
Originator: nrudins@mars.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:53:32 GMT

In article <1ej23vINNf21@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU writes:
>Speaking of this, has anyone seen the drug dog trading cards that are in
>Milk Bone boxes?  I got a box of milk bones the other day and there were
>two of these cards inside.  They have pictures of dogs who have been highly
>successful in sniffing out drugs.  They include a picture of the dog, some
>"stats" (breed, sex, age, weight) plus their total seizure amount.  Pretty
>neat!  Romeo was impressed.  I read him the cards and showed him the pictures.
>He liked them so much he tried to eat them!  8-)
>
>-Robin
Yes, I've seen them.  I have four of these cards so far.  I showed them to
my two dogs (peke/pug mix--littermates).  They didn't show as much
enthusiasm as your Romeo did.  I asked them when they're going to do
something worthy of having their pictures on cards.  They think they
already are deserving of this.  

Nancy

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"WhenIGetToTheBottomIGoBackToTheTopOfTheSlideAndIStopAndITurnAndIGoForARide
ThenIGetToTheBottomAndISeeYouAgaaaaaaaaaain!!!"    
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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Pedigree Software Program
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:37:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.152137.6611@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
   posie@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (donald.e.church) writes:
 
>Does anyone out there know where I might find a good
>software program for doing pedigrees?  Preferably would
>like a PD or SW version but a good commercial one would
>be OK.
>
>Please post as others might be interested also.
 
 
Actually, any half decent database package could handle this.
Certainly dBase, Paradox, etc.  would qualify.
 
PS.  I'm still *slowly* working on a entire package for clubs
(in my case retriever clubs) which assists them in holding
field trials, hunting tests, etc. as well as conducting club
business (inventory, etc.).  Part of the events portion will
have rudimentary pedigree information, but I would assume that
the table structure would be the same.  The only thing that
would change would be the report form, which would do multiple
lookups on the table recursively.
 
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From: mcfadden@nimue.a5-nimue (Russell McFadden)
Subject: Re: Sighthounds and Flea/Tick collars
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:33:19 GMT
Reply-To: mcfadden@nimue.a5-nimue
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In article 92Nov20125309@wind.sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov, dean@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Jack Dean) writes:
>Even though your hounds haven't had any reaction to the insecticides
>in flea and tick collars, I would suggest that you remove them.
>Afghans do have a sensitivity to the insecticides, just like
>greyhounds.

This is true of ALL sighthounds. 
  
>
>You should also be aware that there is some evidence that all
>sighthounds tend to have the same sensitivity to anesthetics that
>greyhounds have.  If you ever have to have your hounds put under for
>surgery, make sure that your vet is familiar with the the sighthound's
>sensitivity to anesthetics, and barbituates in particular.
>

This is also true for ALL sighthounds. If at all possible find a vet
that uses gas as an anesthetic. Barbituates, in particular, if 
administered incorrectly can kill. 

I lost a whippet to anesthetic a number of years ago. My vet (at the
time) used gas when on the table but used a MILD barbituate to relax
the dogs enough to get them hooked up to the gas machine. China went
into shock and her heart stopped within two minutes of being given
the barbituate. The vet knew about the problems sighthounds have
with barbituates, but felt it was a light enough dose (she used it
on other sighthounds the same way with no problem) it would be okay.
Obviously, it wasn't!

Russell McFadden
mcfadden@nimue.lanl.gov
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: behavior modification or dog training
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:15:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24224
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Jon Krueger writes:
>  We don't know what the dog "knows", we only
>know what he does.  And what you do.  And when.  And whether
>it increases, decreases, or doesn't affect the dog's behavior when
>made contingent on it.

>Classic behavior analysis.  Like most analysis, it needs facts to work
>with.  (Kant had some ideas on this.)  Speculations about what the dog
>understood are no substitute for reliable and relevant data.

Yes!  And facts are so hard to come by, owing to philosophical skepticism,
which seems to have been one result of Immanual Kant.

You can follow responses to Kant, however, starting in Emerson and
Nietzsche, carrying on in Wittgenstein and Cavell and Vicki Hearne,
which is why, she being a trainer of dogs, this dispute ends up in rpd.

It is as if it were a _failure_ that we can't know what the dog
understands, or what anybody understands!  But doubt about that
is not our fate in the world; it is a way of inhabiting the world.

My interest is in the way dog trainers have come to inhabit the
world, when they have been educated in introductory psych couses,
and when they have been educated in the canons of social victimage.

There's another rhetoric, and a successful one, in a line from Emerson,
Nietzsche, Jack London, Wittgenstein, Koehler, Cavell, to Hearne, that
ought to be heard.
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