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From: michthom@bnr.ca (Michael Thomson)
Subject: Tools to open a Classic II???
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 14:33:53 GMT

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 * Help Wanted!      Macintosh Classic II Access Tools?      Help Wanted! *
 **************************************************************************

 Does anyone know what tools are required to open up a Mac Classic II?

 Apple appear to have moved away from the hexagonal Torq (?) screwdriver
 they used to use, in favour of a hexagonal Allen key type thing. But since
 this needs to be about 8" long, I don't know what to use!!

 Any help would be very welcome, as my machine is desperate to try out its
 new maths coprocessor and I don't want to pay an Applecentre for a 10
 minute job that I could do with the right tools.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: mike@rice.edu (Michael L. Quillin)
Subject: Spectre and FaxSTF for sale
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:07:54 GMT

I have extra copies of the following for sale:

	Spectre		$20
	FaxSTF		$30

If you are interested, mail your best offer 
to mike@rice.edu.


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From: ovrskeek@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (I am the OVER-skeek!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Date: 9 Nov 1992 01:48:54 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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smytonj@pell4l24 (James Smyton) writes:

>040 machine.  Besides on the NeXT Station Turbos over in Quigley Hall(The  
>Econ. department on our campus) the info panel shows that the machine runs  
>at 30mhz.  Apple has 030s that run faster than that! Convincing me to buy  
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Your L.O.E. is showing! :-)

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ovrskeek@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
From: ttn@cs.tut.fi (Tero Nieminen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: the NeXT option (Was Re: 7.1 vs. OS/2 and Windows NT)
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:12:56 GMT
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In-reply-to: ewright@convex.com's message of 4 Nov 92 20:09:15 GMT

In article <ewright.720907755@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:

   I still doubt that 20-30 seconds is enough time to allow you
   to switch back and forth between two applications and get any
   useful work done.

Nothing is as frustrating as tense watching of the computer completing a
delay, especially if you cannot do anything productive during that time.

   >|> And
   >|> I've yet to see an application that does one of your five-minute
   >|> pastes.

Not at all uncommon with complicated drawings in drawing or drafting
applications. Some programs are even that slow with their screen
updates..

   If the user is doing something costly enough, exclusive attention
   *is* required or the foreground application will appear to lag.
   Furthermore, the system should allow this to happen *invisibly* --
   the user should *not* have to fiddle with priorities for five
   minutes (or even five seconds) to get it to work right.

So why isn't it done in the most simple way: call forbid when something
intense starts happening and get the foreground application preemted to
running immediately there is an event to process? And when user is done,
call permit to allow bg apps to run. The WNE mechanism cannot even be
that fast.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: jbailey@world.std.com (james d bailey)
Subject: Re: The future of Apple
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:16:07 GMT

wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 260-8100) writes:

>In article <9211110352.AA24734@fsa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> parkhill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Robert Parkhill) writes:
>>Well, I was talking about the Newton with some freinds the other day, and
>>it got me to thinking about Apples future. If the Newton can deliver what
>>has been promised, and I see no real reason why it wouldn't (perhaps a
>>year or so late though), then Apples marketing plans would drastically
>>change. With Scully leading things, Apple is going to market towards getting
>>a PDA in everyones pocket, not a Computer on 10% of the desktops.  I can 
>>see Apple going as far as the introduction of the PowerPC, and then turning
>>that over to IBM, phasing out the low-end Macs, and eventually trashing
>>the entire Mac line(what's the use when PowerPC will be so much better?)
>>Scully wants to grab the market of all those Pepsi drinking, Dorrito snacking
>>people out there and sell them a High-tech notebook(well, obviosly more than
>>just a notebook...) In other words... if Scully leads Apple into the future, 
>>I don't see the Macintosh lasting more then another 5 years.
>>What are other peoples opinions on this?
>>
>>        Rob
>>
>What's the value of a Mac going to be when a PowerPC that's twice as
>fast as a Quadra, half the price, and runs Mac software comes out?

I don't know, when I bought my Quadra I sold a ][x CPU for $1500.  Not
bad for a machine 2 generations old and discontinued for close to 2
years.

>Who wants a Powerbook when Newton is the flagship of Apple?

These are different markets, some overlap maybe, but fundamentally
different markets.

>It looks like Apple has two future product lines, but the Mac
>isn't one of them.

Who cares what the CPU is.  All I care about is having great
applications running on the best user interface.  Just because Apple
comes out with a new machine doesn't make your old machine stop
working.  A huge market for software running on 68k Macs will exist
for years.  Desktop machines will remain a huge part of Apples market.
As people buy into Apple's very cool portable technology they will
also begin to buy more desktop technology.  The current market is
worth $6 Billion a year.  Apple is unlikely to walk away from that.

>Terry Wilcox
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: jbailey@world.std.com (james d bailey)
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:25:14 GMT

dtiberio@csws19.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:

>In article <1992Nov12.130235.13076@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle) writes:
>>
>>Jess Holle
>>
>>P.S.  Say no to Amiga owners who beg to tear apart your machine to try to
>>      copy your Macintosh ROM.  This DOES happen.

>            HOW TO TEAR APART A MAC IN SEARCH OF A COPY OF THE ROMS
>				By David Tiberio


>	First, be very careful and find a Mac owner who you know you can push
>around, or who is just really gullible.

>	Get a socket set, hammer, two magnetic screw drivers (phillips), a
>static guard, workgloves, and some clean rags.

>	First, make the Mac owner think that you aren't really going to open
>his case, and ask him if he can get something out of your car while you are
>working. When he goes outside, take one of the screwdrivers and a hammer.

>	Next, insert a blank floppy disk in the drive. Double click on the
>rom dump program. Remove the floppy disk. 

>	You now have a copy of the roms from a friend's Macintosh.



>DISCLAIMER: It is illegal to take a copy of ROMS from a machine that you
>do not own, and you cannot legally run two Macintosh operating systems off
>of the same ROM at the same time, and you cannot expect to say anything
>negative about Apple and expect to have money in the bank the next day.

Why would you want Mac ROM's.  They don't implement real-time proportional
scroll-bars.  Obviously inferior.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.advocacy:2453 comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:28846
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:17:14 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:

>dtiberio@csws20.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:

>>	NONE OF THE ABOVE.
>>	EMPLANT = DEATH OF HIGH PRICED MACINTOSH.
>>	FULL MACINTOSH QUADRA SYSTEMS FOR UNDER $4,000.

>  Hmmm.  Look at my price list

>M5921LL/A Macintosh Quadra 700 4MB RAM             $3227.00

>Been there, done that.

Monitor, keyboard, harddisk?? where's the *FULL* system?? ;)

Yours sincerely,
Kelvin 
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Subject: Re: Macintosh advocacy (really!)
Reply-To: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:03:44 GMT

In article <6284.2af68ce9@hayes.com> Bill Coleman responds:

    In article <1992Oct30.215408.11601@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, (Kelvin Leung) writes:
    > well... so are you saying that the Mac can get out of the pit, but the 
    > Amiga cant?  right now the Amiga lacks brand-name software house to 
    > produce software for it.  

BC> Exactly. That's why we Mac folk can't really consider it too seriously. That's
BC> why we can barely get the PC folk to acknowledge the Mac, much less the Amiga.

    > As soon as the Amiga gets rid of its image problem and manages to increase 
    > its market share, perhaps software houses will reconsider.

BC> Neither of those are small feats. If it was a simple task to improve your 
BC> image or increase market share, wouldn't the PC houses or Apple have already
BC> done them?

Commodore almost never advertises the Amiga computer line.  The last time I saw
a public advertisement for Amiga was on MTV!  They were obviously going for the
video generatoin by demonstrating the Amiga's prowess at Multi-media type
capabilities.  I'm sure this boosted sales of the A500, but I have to wonder
if this type of thing really helps them in the long run.

[MGM]
From: deek@pecan.cns.udel.edu (michael deerkoski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:22:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: udel.1992Nov12.182223.2871
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

>>>Well.. how about adding in $3000 for a PostScript Level 2 laser
>>>printer to the Mac.. but $1400 for the NeXT.. but I won't...
>>Apple's Personal Writer NTR with PostScript level 2 and a AMD Am29005 RISC
>>processor costs $1989 RETAIL.  You can purchase it via edu
>>prices for considerably less.
>	I understand your Mac is on the net, correct?  So, why can't you
>post news directly from your machine?  
>
>And, oh, add another what, $160 or so for an ethernet card for the Quadra...

Is this a reply, or a laundry list?  One at a time:

Yes, I am directly connected to the internet via 10BaseT.  I did use my
Macintosh as a News server for about a month, but switched back because
why should I have my Mac spend processor time doing what my Sun account does
for me?  (the same Sun that is your news server as well, FYI)

Secondly, a twisted pair transceiver retails for $145.  The reason Apple
used this format is when a new ethernet media is released, you only have
to purchase a new transceiver instead of a all new NeXT.

Seeya,

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tomster@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Thomas Richard Dibble)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Mac vs. PC
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:58:54
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: williw1@mail.auburn.edu's message of 2 Nov 92 14:38:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.143857.4881@news.duc.auburn.edu> williw1@mail.auburn.edu (Wade Williams) writes:

   Hmm...right behind me is a 25MHZ/386 with Windows 3.1.  I rarely touch it 
   as I can go to lunch and come back while waiting for an application to 
   load.  Naturally, that's an exageration, but it takes between 30 seconds 
   and a full minute for most full-featured applications to load.  And yes, 
   the swapfile is configured correctly.

Hmm...right in front of me is a 16MHZ/386sx with Windows 3.1.  It takes me
approximately five seconds (5.26 to be exact ... I just timed it) to load
MS Excel.  I wonder if *my* swapfile is configured correctly?

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From: ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:00:17 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Nov9.025701.12333@pellns.alleg.edu> smytonj@pell4l24 (James Smyton) writes:

[NeXT bashing deleted]

>With regard to the posts regarding prices, how many people need a Quadra  
>950?!?  Why not a IIvx?  NeXT has a very limited hardware line, where  
>Apple's overlaps its own products.  A good Macintosh for the average user  
>should only be around $3000.  Don't flame me saying that everyone needs a  
>040 machine.  Besides on the NeXT Station Turbos over in Quigley Hall(The  
>Econ. department on our campus) the info panel shows that the machine runs  
>at 30mhz.  Apple has 030s that run faster than that! Convincing me to buy  
>a NeXT would be very hard work! 
>--
>J S  (smytonj@alleg.edu)

The NeXT is a Workstation, it is generally meant to compete with Suns,
VAXes, and other high performance computers.  People who use NeXTs are
in generally doing research or commercial apps, not generally using
it for a word processor, though it prints GREAT text out on its
400dpi printer :-).

Another item:  MegaHertz cannot be used in this case.  A 66 Mhz '030
is about as fast as the '33 Mhz '040.  If we went by Mhz, a 33Mhz
68000, which DOES exist, would blow the doors off a 25 Mhz '040, which
is in the Quadra 950.

People who purchase NeXTs in general want REAL performance.
For the price, a NeXT wins over a comparable Mac, but not everybody
needs UNIX on their desktop, even through the NeXT can do almost
everything a Mac can.

PS:  I am knocking niether Mac nor NeXT.  I like both platforms equally.
Mac and NeXT programming are a pleasure compared to some GUIs which
will remain nameless.  (maybe check my .sig for a hint :-)

-- 
********** ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd) **********
Windows NT:                  * Disclaimer:  I speak for myself *
                             ***********************************
You WANT your hard drive trashed now.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: rajiv@athena.mit.edu (Rajiv A Manglani)
Subject: Re: System 7 utilities needed
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:51:53 GMT

In article <92310.161514HLA@psuvm.psu.edu>, <HLA@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> I am looking for a system 7 init that allows the finder to copy
|> in the background without clobbering performance as is the case
|> with out of the box system 7. Also, I would like to add
|> a command key sequence to the Hide <current application> menu
|> choice under the multifinder menu.

To speed up the performance, the only thing I can suggest is to make
the copy take less time. Use SpeedyFinder (shareware) or CopyDoubler from
Fifth Generation Systems. To add a command key to the Hide menu item:
Use ResEdit if you know how, or NowMenus (from Now Software) has the ability
to do this.

Rajiv
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: johnsd2@vccnw07.its.rpi.edu (Daniel Norman Johnson)
Subject: Re: Macintosh advocacy (really!)
Reply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:17:22 GMT

[various deletia]
|> >As far as I understand the way Mac handles application switching, and
|> >correct me if I'm worong, the Mac goes through the entire list of
|> >applications every time (exept fot the ones that are still asleep). Ie.
|> >a program that expires its sleep value, will get the controll next time
|> >it is in turn going through the application list.
|> 
|> The way things happen on the Mac is: An application gets total control
|> (except for interrupts) until there are no events in the queue for that
|> app.  At that point, the Process Manager will give a bg app (that can
|> background; i.e. has the "CanBackground" bit set in the SIZE resource)
|> time until it releases control.  Guidelines call for this time to be
|> negligible, to keep the fg app from seeming unresponsive.
|> 
|> Background apps then take turns until the fg app's sleep time has
|> expired.  The suggested sleep time is 60 ticks, which is one second.
|> When that time expires, or when the fg app gets an event, the fg app
|> becomes the next one in line to get processing.

Minor nitpick: backgroudn apps have sleep values too. They dont get
time until their sleep-time expires, as with the foreground.

As for the suggested time, it should actually be whatevers appropriate
to your app- which may be MaxInt, if you never want nullEvents. Or maybe
its 0. Who knows? There is a bug in System 6 that makes WNE malfunction
w/ desk accessories if you pass a value >50 however. :(

-- 
			- Dan Johnson
And God said "Jeeze, this is dull"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez | 802-36-4453)
Subject: Re: Macintosh advocacy (really!)
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 23:24:52 GMT

In article <BxBK69.Br6@javelin.sim.es.com>, mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson) writes:
|> In article <6284.2af68ce9@hayes.com> Bill Coleman responds:
|> 
|>     In article <1992Oct30.215408.11601@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, (Kelvin Leung) writes:
|>     > well... so are you saying that the Mac can get out of the pit, but the 
|>     > Amiga cant?  right now the Amiga lacks brand-name software house to 
|>     > produce software for it.  
|> 
|> BC> Exactly. That's why we Mac folk can't really consider it too seriously. That's
|> BC> why we can barely get the PC folk to acknowledge the Mac, much less the Amiga.
|> 
|>     > As soon as the Amiga gets rid of its image problem and manages to increase 
|>     > its market share, perhaps software houses will reconsider.
|> 
|> BC> Neither of those are small feats. If it was a simple task to improve your 
|> BC> image or increase market share, wouldn't the PC houses or Apple have already
|> BC> done them?

   As I said A WHILE ago, the Amiga happens to have excellent software 
in other areas.

|> 
|> Commodore almost never advertises the Amiga computer line.  The last time I saw
|> a public advertisement for Amiga was on MTV!  They were obviously going for the
|> video generatoin by demonstrating the Amiga's prowess at Multi-media type
|> capabilities.  I'm sure this boosted sales of the A500, but I have to wonder
|> if this type of thing really helps them in the long run.

   ALAS!  Too bad that 3 responses that I made seem to have been lost.
Anyway, C= is advertising the Amiga more right now.  Look at Byte,
PC World, InfoWorld and others.  Maybe it shows that you read only
Mac related mags. :-)


|> [MGM]
--------------------------------------------------------------
- Raist

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Nov11.165748.23160@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>
	<1992Nov11.181732.7625@sbcs.sunysb.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:16:08 GMT

David> == David Tiberio <dtiberio@csws20.ic.sunysb.edu> 

 David>    EMPLANT EMPLANT EMPLANT EMPLANT EMPLANT EMPLANT EMPLANT
 David> EMPLANT EMPLANT BIG DREW IS WATCHING YOU BIG DREW IS WATCHING
 David> YOU BIG DREW IS WATCHING YOU I HAVE MY EMPLANT. YOU MUST HAVE
 David> YOUR EMPLANT. ALL MUST HAVE THEIR EMPLANTS.

It is obvious from this thread that there is a bug in the Emplant (or is
that EMPLANT) that causes the CAPS LOCK key to engage permanently.

 David> PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT
 David> PEROT PEROT PEROT "I don't have any experience in running up a 4
 David> trillion dollar debt."

But he does have experience in protecting his house from armed, masked
invaders hired by the Viet Cong.  Or something.
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System Administrator, EFF |   Whoever takes action and can be heard wins.''
+1 617 864 0665  [CKD1]   |   --Peter da Silva <peter@ferranti.com>
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:12:44 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

smytonj@murr13.alleg.edu (James Smyton) writes:

>Let me qualify my point...I misstated my point by saying the quote about  
>the 030's.  I realize the difference in real speed of the two machines.  I  
>do however feel that NeXT does not take full advantage of it's 040 chip's  
>speed capability.

I don't think so.  I think the reason why a NeXTstation appears to be
slower than a Quadra because:
1) NeXT has Postscript display.  Unless you have one of those i860 gfx
   accelerator cards, NeXT's display would be slower than a Quadra.
2) NeXT's OS requires more memory.  Therefore, a 8MB Quadra doesn't need
   to do too much demand paging as opposed to a 8MB NeXTstation.

>--
>J S  (smytonj@alleg.edu)

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
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