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From: slambert@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Fonts and x3270 for Sun SPARC 2 w/OpenWindows 2.0
Date: 1 Oct 1992 02:58:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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I am trying to run x3270 on my Sun SPARCstation 2 which is using OpenWindows 2.0 and SunOS 4.1.2.  Every time I do so I get the following warning message and then the x3270 window pops up and is filled with gibberish (various unidentifiable characters):

>> /lambert> x3270 cmsa
>> ld.so: warning: /usr/openwin/lib/libXt.so.4.0 has older revision than
>> expected 10
>> ld.so: warning: /usr/openwin/lib/libX11.so.4.3 has older revision than
>> expected 10
>> Warning: Widget class VendorShell version mismatch (recompilation needed):
>>   widget 11004 vs. intrinsics 11003.
>> Warning: Cannot convert string "3270" to type FontStruct
>> Warning: Using default keymap only
>> /lambert>

What do I need to do to get this working properly?  I think it must have something to do with fonts.  There is a font called "X3270.pcf" available off the server where I am getting x3270, but I don't know how to convert it to something that Openwindows can use.  

Warnings similar to the third line of the above message appear when I try to run other X11 R5 programs (such as xterm), but still run (somewhat) successfully (e.g., anything having to do with fonts is messed up, such as the ctrl-right mouse button option for changing the xterm font size).

I guess a broader question I have is how do fonts work and how can other fonts be installed when using OpenWindows 2.0?  This question is also important for me, because I also use a DECstation 5000 which uses DECwindows.  Sometimes I would like to display some of the DECwindow applications while I am at my Sun SPARC 2 console.  For example if I want to display a DECterm I get the following warning message:

>> X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string
>> "-*-MENU-MEDIUM-R-Normal--*-120-*-*-P-*-ISO8859-1" to type FontList, using
>> fixed font

The window still works properly, just the fonts are different than those I see when I'm on the DEC console.

I'm not very experienced with OpenWindows or Xwindows, so I would appreciate it if comments/solutions could be detailed and understandable by a simpleton like myself.

I don't read this newsgroup that often, so please e-mail replies to me directly and I will post a summary of responses.  If my questions would be better answered by posting this message to another newsgroup, please let me know this as well.

Thanks,
Steve

Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.admin:6842 comp.windows.x:17330
From: lra00@spa.amdahl.com (Larry R. Ader)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.openlook
Subject: Re: Using NumLock on Sun type 4 keyboards
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:16:17 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation  Sunnyvale, CA

In article <41Rr02rh24cr01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, lra00@pecan.spa.amdahl.com (Larry R. Ader) writes:
|> 
|> Hopefully this is a FAQ that someone already has the answer to...
|> 
|> I have a Sun ELC that I often use with NON-Openwindows window managers
|> (e.g. mwm, twm, etc.).  The keyboard I have is a type 4 Sun keyboard.
|> When I use OpenWindows, the NumLock key works properly -- that is, the
|> numlock LED lights up and the "keypad" keys now work as numbers when I
|> press them (while using a "cmdtool" application).
|> 
|> My question is:  How can I get the same "NumLock" behavior using mwm
|> (for example) and xterm applications??
|> 
|> 
|> Thanks for your help,
|> 
|> Larry Ader
|> 
|> 
|> P.S.: (slightly) related topic:  is there some way that I can access the
|>       LEDs on the keyboard in the way I do with Xterminals
|>       (i.e. "xset led 3") ?
|> 

(A followup to my own posting):

I have received several responses to the above posting.  Most of them
suggest getting sunkbd.tar.Z from export.lcs.mit.edu.  I have done this
and have found that it is a patch for the X server for X11R5.

I have two different problems with this: 1) I am currently using X11R4 clients
and server, and 2) I don't have source for X11R4.

Even if I was using X11R5, I don't have the disk space on my home machine
to download X11R5, apply the patch and rebuild it.

My questions are: does an equivalent patch exist for X11R4?  If so, where is
it located?   Also, if an X11R4 patch does exist, does anyone out there
have an already patched X11R4 X server (compatible with my Sun ELC) that
I can ftp?  If an X11R4 patch does NOT exist, does anyone out there have
an already patched X11R5 X server (compatible with my Sun ELC) that I can ftp?
In that case (if I use an X11R5 server), will my X11R4 clients still work?

Thanks for any help that you can provide,


Larry Ader


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From: limes@ouroborous.eng.sun.com (Greg Limes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Should nice be used on MP's
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:01:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: ouroborous
In-reply-to: mnejat@telesoft.com's message of Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:52:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.175243.12716@telesoft.com> mnejat@telesoft.com (Mehregan Nejat @lone) writes:
|   Does nicing a process on a MP machine (4/690 running 4.1.2 SunOS)
|   cause more problem.  I am refering to lowering the priority of a
|   process not increasing it.

The scheduler on 4.1.2mp does the usual things with "nice'd" processes
that is done on other versions; if a positive "nice" value is given to
the process, it will be given a smaller percentage of the compute
resources if those resources could be given instead to someone else.

I have heard rumors that niceness tends to have larger effects on the
observed behavior on our MP boxes than otherwise, but have not
attempted to measure this.

For reference, I use root privileges to run my "xnews" processes with
a nice value of "-15", which basicly ends up with my display server
running whenever it feels the need; I've been doing this for years on
a 4/330, and it is still effective on the 4/670. [for best results, make
sure your window system is not paging, either].

Another example, I tend to run long compute-bound simulations in the
background with nice values of "+15", so they do not slow down my
interactive processing too much.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: cc_s441@ceres (John Salmon)
Subject: in.named .. too many lines
Organization: Kingston University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:21:37 GMT

in.named fails when i attempt to add more than 330 lines to the zone file
for our domain, with the error "invalid database format" in /var/adm/messages

Anyone else had similar problems ?

--
John Salmon
Kingston University Computing Services
(cc_s441@kingston.ac.uk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: dirkst@messua.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Dirk Steinberg)
Subject: Booting diskless SLC from PC server
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date:  5 Oct 92 19:05:01 GMT

I would like to boot a diskless SPARCstation SLC over ethernet
from a PC running Linux, acting as server.

What do I need? I figure nfsd, tftpd, rarpd, ... and some others.
What is the difference between bootp and bootparamd?

Thank for any help,

	Dirk
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher)
Subject: Re: ftp log-ins rejected--Solved!
Organization: National Computer Systems, San Jose, CA  95131
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:42:09 GMT

In article <-i81H3rx_9@atlantis.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
>Check to make sure that the shell you are using is in /etc/shells.
>(Create it if it doesn't exist, and put /bin/sh, /bin/csh in there too)

The problem was that only "/bin/ksh" appeared in "/etc/shells".  Both
"/bin/sh" and "/bin/csh" were missing.  root's default shell is ksh so
that's why ftp would work with root, but not with other userids.

Many thanks to David Barr!

Chuck
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From: havia@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jyrki Havia)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Size of swap file
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:43:01 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker) writes:

>Um, hate to say this but the reccommended size of the swap file is 2.5
>times the size of RAM so your swap file should have been 40 meg with 16M
>ram and should now be 160M.  Before doing this I think I would see if
>you have any problems with running out of memory.  If not I would leave
>it alone.

	For me swap file/partition is virtual memory, and physical
	memory is virtual memory cache. How much you NEED virtual
	memory, and how much paging and swapping you are ready to
	bear?
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From: axs@cs.bham.ac.uk (Aaron Sloman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: compatibility between 4.1.2 and 4.1.3 on SPARCserver 672mp
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:55:42 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK

I previously sent a message asking whether SunOS 4.1.3 was identical
on MP and single processor machines, because after upgrading to 4.1.3
we had problems on our dual processor 672 that did not occur on any
of our single processor machines.

Thanms for Simon Leinen I have now been given the answer, which he
obtained from Christian Beilken.

> but we think the error lies in the fact, that the STACKSIZE has changed
> from F8000000 in SunOS 4.1.2 to F0000000 in SunOS 4.1.3 for Sparc10.

> The release notes for SunOS 4.1.3 indicate that the values of the
> constants USRSTACK and KERNELBASE were changed for sun4m machines.
> The base address of the kernel, the start of the user process stack,
> and the area where shared libraries are mapped are different now.


This will stop several programs working under 4.1.3 on MP machines.

Aaron
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From: jgp@moscom.com (Jim Prescott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Hardware Flow Control ... WHERE ARE YOU SUN !!!!!!
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:41:18 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford NY

In article <19pt34INNlio@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au> dclunie@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (David Clunie) writes:
>My question now is this ... surely some one from Sun reads this group,
>and surely there must be thousands of frustrated sun users who cannot
>believe that Sun's cannot perform incoming hardware flow control.
>Why the hell don't you guys fix the bloody driver !@#$

Probably because it isn't broken.  Sun ports implement RTS/CTS handshaking
exactly as specified by the rs232c standard.  The desired behavior (which
is actually in the most recent version of the rs232 standard, now called
ANSI/EIA/TIA-232-E) could potentially upset some stupid device that depends
upon RTS acting like another DTR.

The missing modem control on the second SLC port seems to be another
example of Sun following an existing standard to the letter instead of
doing what 99.999% of their customers would have preferred.  They only had
room on the machine for a single db25 connector but they wanted to provide
2 serial ports.  Someone decided the best approach was to put all the pins
for both ports into a single db-25.  Fortunately the rs232 spec includes
a secondary data channel with its own TD, RD, RTS, CTS, RTS; unfortunately
it leaves out DSR, which Suns ignore, and DTR, which is at least strongly
desirable on a modem line.  Sun could have just put the second DTR on some
vacant pin (perhaps pin 11 which rs232 leaves unassigned) but didn't.

>the Zilog SCC is capable of de-asserting the >appropriate line.

The situation isn't really symmetric.  It can be told to drop RTS.  It can
also be told to automatically stop sending data whenever CTS drops.  The
kernel has more to do in RTS case.

A smarter chip might have a mode where it automatically drops RTS whenever
its silo is about to fill up.

In any event, I believe they wanted it to work the way it does; it wasn't
an oversight.

>so where >is the patch guys !

Possibly in the Sun Consulting HSPEED special (or possibly not, all it says
is that it allows 38.4k input).

>At the very least where is something clearly stated in the documentation

The operation of the crtscts flag is described in termio(4).  The zs,
mpc and spc man pages indicate that they support the crtscts flag
(although only on the first 4 mcp ports).  The mti driver ignores crtscts
and requires CTS to be high.

Solaris 2.0's termio can request bi-directional RTS/CTS flow control so
perhaps Sun will implement it in their drivers.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.mail.sendmail,comp.mail.elm,comp.mail.misc,comp.unix.admin
From: erodrigu@dcc.uchile.cl (Eduardo Rodriguez)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: NFS mounting /var/spool/mail && file locking
Originator: erodrigu@tortel
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 14:45:21 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion


In article <JBRYANS.92Sep30153047@wren.csulb.edu>, jbryans@beach.csulb.edu (Jack Bryans) writes:
> How do those using a shared mail spool mount it?  We've had few problems
> w/hard mount for the past two years, but a recent network glitch equivalent
> to yanking the ethernet cable from the back of our mail server was a
> disaster for the entire net, what w/comsat leaving most users thinking the
> machine was hung up.  A ton of abandoned processes left idle machines w/load
> levels of 8 and more.
> 
> So, how do you mount your mail spool -- soft, intr, or what?
> 
 
intr. In soft it's easy to lost data (when NFS problems).

edo...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.admin
From: tdphette@mke.ab.com (Thad Phetteplace x4461)
Subject: Re: Reverse DNS resolution?
Organization: Allen-Bradley Co.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:52:14 GMT

aflundi@sandia.gov (Alan F Lundin) writes:
: Can anyone tell what I'm missing in trying to set up our naming
: servers for reverse naming resolution? I expected to be able to
: add RRs like:
: 
:    20.30.192.in-addr.arpa.	IN	NS	nserver.thatdomain
:    nserver.thatdomain		IN	A	10.20.30.192
: 
: in my 'cache' (named.ca) file and that all would be well.  But 
: it doesn't seem to work.  Any suggestions?
: -- 
: Alan Lundin <aflundi@sandia.gov>

You first of all need to put an entry in your named.boot file that looks
like this:

primary      20.30.192.in-addr.arpa        filename.rev

Then in the zone file filename.rev, after all the normal zone file headers,
put entries for each of your nodes.  Something like this:

1		IN	PTR	sol.my.domain.
2		IN	PTR	venus.my.domain.
3		IN	PTR	saturn.my.domain.

The matching forward lines for the above example would be in different file
and would look the following:

sol		IN	A	 192.30.20.1
venus		IN	A	 192.30.20.2
saturn		IN	A	 192.30.20.3

The entry in the named.boot is critical.  The DNS always checks the boot file
to find out what domains it knows about and what source files the data is in.
My guess is you are missing that entry.  If this isn't the case, feel free
to mail me your config files and I will take a look at them.

Hope this helps,

--
Thad Phetteplace
Network Support Specialist, Allen-Bradley Co.
Phone: (414)382-4461
Email: tdphette@mke.ab.com

The opinions expressed here are entirely my own and not that of my employer...
I am not a slob, I am simply doing an experiment in domestic entropy!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: rgeis@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Ral Geis )
Subject: printcap for Fujitsu MR3041R
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:40:10 GMT
Keywords: printcap Fujitsu

Can someone send me their printcap entry on a Sun-4 for a Fujitsu MR3041R
lineprinter.

thanx,

Ral Geis

rgeis@ncsa.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: brucek@uni.ins.com (Bruce Klein)
Subject: Re: Help with strange dump behavior, SIGSEGV() ABORT!
Organization: International Network Services
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:13:03 GMT

In <1992Sep29.171404.14913@walt.disney.com> smacheso@ford.is.wdi.disney.com (Steve Acheson) writes:

>Ok,
> I've had my share of fun with this and I'm ready to reveal my ignorance of
>Sun's...
>Here is what I get:

>machine-26: dump 0 /
>  DUMP: SIGSEGV()  ABORTING!
>Abort

I have seen this message before when I attempted to dump a filesystem
that was incorrectly represented in the /etc/fstab file. In the case
I saw, the user had mounted /dev/sd1g to /home, which was actually
a link to /usr/etc/home. The /etc/fstab entry mapped sd1g to /home.

When I gave a "dump /usr/etc/home" command, dump apparently mapped
the filename to the device name, relooked it up in the /etc/fstab,
and became very confused.

Hope that helps.

Bruce
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: ctan@solomon.technet.sg (Tan Chee Weei)
Subject: Q: 4.1.1 & mounting Disk > 1 Gig
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:44:26 GMT


I know that 4.1.1 can't format disks > 1 Gig. Can 4.1.1 mount and use
partitions from a > 1 Gig local drive formatted using Solaris 2
which can handle > 1 Gig ? Is the problems just related to the 
formatting/partitioning/newfs of such high capacity disks or do they
extend to the usage of such disks as well? Thanks.

CW

P.S. By the way, where can I get the patch for 4.1.1 for this problem?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: gopi@nynexst.com (Gopinath Tatachar)
Subject: Sparcprinter Problem
Keywords: STACKORDER, .param, Newsprint, filters
Reply-To: gopi@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 21:14:56 GMT


I  have a Sparcprinter connected to my SS2.  I am running Newprint1.0.
My printer prints FACE UP.  So, I want the printer to print the last page
first and in that order.  

Now,  I have the following lines in the .param file under the spool.

BANNERPS=$DEFBANNER; export BANNERPS
TRAILERPS=; export TRAILERPS
STACKORDER=-f; export STACKORDER

However, I still get the first page first and it is really a pain when I am printing
big documents ( > 200 pages !).

I  have also tried using the 'pl' under Prelimm with the "postreverse" filter ,
didn't help. 

If any of you know what I am doing wrong let me know ASAP.

Thanks much in advance.

-Gop
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From: ajr@pug.hri.com (MFHorn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Changing Login Name
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:38:29 GMT
Reply-To: ajr@hri.com
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.
In-reply-to: stewart@tweety.cis.udel.edu's message of 1 Oct 92 02:52:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.025259.9470@udel.edu> stewart@tweety.cis.udel.edu (John Stewart) writes:
> In article <1admpoINN9hi@gap.caltech.edu> gretchen@cco.caltech.edu (Gretchen Millendore) writes:
> >Hi!  I have a user who just got married and would like to change her
> >login name (we standardly log in with last names).
> 
> Two immediate issues I can think of that
> *would* be affected are group memberships and hard-coded paths (i.e.,
> if the name of her home directory is changing as well).

And possibly mail.  The easiest way around this is just to add an alias in
your mail servers /etc/aliases..

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: eoakes@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Ed Oakes)
Subject: Password File for NFS slave's Clients
Organization: Radford University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:35:35 GMT

We currently have a 690MP as an NIS master and a Sparc 2 as an NIS slave.  
All of our faculty accounts are created on the 690MP while students accounts
are created on the Sparc 2.  Thus all faculty can access both machines, but
only students can access the Sparc 2.  

We are in the process of purchasing several IPC's which will boot from the
Sparc 2.  These machines must be accessible to both Faculty and Students.  
From my prior experiments, the clients NIS information will be the same as the
NIS master, and none of the password information from the NIS slave will 
carry over.  Thus, the faculty will be able to use them, but not the students.

Is there any way to get around this problem.  If you have any suggestions
or hints they would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: jw@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Joerg Wedeck)
Subject: panic on cpu 1: ufs_putpage hole
Keywords: 4/670 , ufs, SunOs 4.1.3
Organization: "Lehrstuhl fuer Technische Informatik, Uni Tuebingen"
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 11:40:26 GMT

Hello,

we have recently upgraded our 4/470 to a 4/670 and upgraded from 4.1.2 to 4.1.3.
Since that time our server crashes from time to time:

Oct  2 12:06:58 peanuts vmunix: panic on cpu 1: ufs_putpage hole

I have already located a patch for this problem, but for SunOs 4.1.1. Does
anybody know where a more recent version of patch 100622 is available,
which can be applied to SunOs 4.1.3 ?

Thank you,

	Joerg

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From: vhalkka@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Vesa Halkka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: PC-Xview crashes our PC very often.......
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:25:29 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Sep28.130507.3422@evb.com> mahesh@evb.com (B.G. Mahesh) writes:


>We have installed PC-Xview on our 486 recently (under
>Windows environment). We have observed that the PC
>crashes very often and we are sure it is because
>of PC-xview but don't know why. We have to switch off
>the machine and switch it on to boot, CNTRL-ALT-Delete
>doesn't reboot the machine.

>If you have similar experience and have solved the problem
>please email me your response.

The software is just buggy.. NCD bought GSS PC-Xview and
hurried it to the market. They are going to port NCDWare,
which is their own quite excellent X-terminal software,
to Intel environment, and use GSS code only to talk with
TCP/IP stack etc..

So the current release is not going to get very much attention,
it is just for keeping market position and collecting development money.
This stinks.

Because they admit it, they are giving all new versions 
to registered users for one year.. the NCDWare version should be ready
and shipping next spring. 

But it does not help if you would like to use Windows PC-Xview now.

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