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From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Areas with good snow in April ?
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:35:03 GMT
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden

>stefan@sinus.stgt.sub.org (Stefan Bechtold) writes:

>Hi !

>I'm interested in some skiing areas which have good snow in
>the first half of april (I'm planning to do a trip from 3th to 18th 1993).

>The problem is that the most skiing areas don't have good snow
>in this time and you have to water-ski there ;-)

>So if you know any skiing area *EITHER IN USA/CANADA OR EUROPE* 
>which has good, let's say, the best snow in that time (:-) could
>you please mail or post it for me ?

In the Alps there's always the various glaciers. Val Thorens (sp?) in France
has a nice glacier. There's summer skiing there thats pretty nice. I did that 
two years ago.

If you want to go up north, in Lappland in Sweden there's a place called 
Riksgra"nsen. It's a couple of hundred kilometers north of the polar circle. In
the middle of april it's getting to be pretty good up there. Not so dark and 
not so bloody cold. It's even better in may when you get midnight sun and 
skiing around the clock. It's a small resort and hard to get  rooms, though.

cheers


--

     Erik Svensson
    Research Officer            National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
 Guided Weapons Division        Stockholm, Sweden      eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"The problem with the future is that it keeps turning into the present"
 -- Hobbes
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: johnc@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (John Cooley)
Subject: Cheap ride to Winter Park
Summary: Cheap ride to Winter Park
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:23:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

First, I must apologize for the wide distribution.  I have been unable to
determine that our narrower distributions actually work correctly.

I will be going to Winter Park, Colorado, from the Fort Collins area every
weekend from now through the weekend of March 13.  I leave very early
Saturday morning and return Sunday evening.  I drive an old 4WD Suburban,
and I usually have room for two or three riders.  The vehicle is quite
roomy.  Skis ride inside, flat on the floor behind the back seat.

I can pick up people at several spots in north Fort Collins, along I-25,
and at the Morrison exit on I-70.  I will attempt to make the ride sharing
as convenient as possible for all concerned.  You must arrange your own
lodging.  I can take you to it on Saturday evening and pick you up Sunday
morning, or you can use the free bus system in Winter Park.  I have to be
at the ski area early Sunday morning to check in with the NSCD, where I
volunteer.

For all of this, I ask $10 to help cover gasoline for the Suburban.  To make
arrangements, contact:
               John Cooley
               (303) 491-6017
               (303) 224-2252
               johnc@yuma.acns.colostate.edu

It's cheaper and more convenient than a bus.

Ski report from January 9-10:
  Winter Park/Mary Jane had nearly two feet of snow during the previous
week, including 7-8" Friday night.  Coverage before the new snow was pretty
thin, though.  Sunday morning's report at the area claimed 51" at mid-mountain
and 59" at the top.
  I got out the old noodle boards and skiied powder and trees most of the
day on Saturday.  Depth in the trees ranged from mid-calf to nearly waist
deep.  By 3:30, my legs were showing signs of catastrophic failure, so I
quit for the day.  Sunday, I worked, so did not explore the cut runs
extensively.
  Coverage is generally very good, although the new snow has been scraped off
any number of rocks on the steeper runs.  Bumps are round and soft.  Groomed
runs are in excellent condition.  Parsenn is reasonably well covered, although
the powder was skied out by early Saturday, except in narrow slots in the
trees.
        John Cooley

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: Bindings
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:49:57 GMT
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Charles Viles (clv2m@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU) wrote>
> I just read the FAQ about alpine equipment and nary a word was spent 
> discussing ski bindings 

 Hmm...guess I'd better do something about that.

> So I have two questions
>   - Is this a good idea (i.e. replacing just the bindings)?
>   - What kind of bindings should I look at.

 In general just replacing the bindings is an OK thing to do. However, the
 good old Hexel honeycomb aluminum skis are notorious for having the
 bindings rip out of 'em. Hmm...Spademans are also notorious for ripping
 out of skis (since *all* of the load is concentrated in one place)...I'm
 surprised that this combination hasn't failed you yet! Anyway, as long
 as you make sure that the new binding holes are fairly distant from the
 old mounting points you should be just fine.

 Binding advice:

    Binding       Good Stuff                          Bad Stuff
 
    Look          Easy to get on in powder.    Not quite as "solid" of a feel
                                               as many other bindings. Toe
                                               tends to wobble a bit while
                                               skiing.

    Tyrolia       Performs very well once      Very difficult to get into in
                  you manage to get into       deep snow. We also seem to see
                  it.                          lots of broken Tyrolia bindings.

    Salomon       High performance. Solid      Well, I ski Salomons so I'm
                  feel clicking in.            not going to say anything bad
                                               about 'em!

    Marker        Similar to Salomon in        One model of the Marker binding
                  performance/feel. The        (can't remember the model #)
                  choice of *many* racers.     requires that the heel be 
                                               manually attached to the boot.
                                               Not a big deal, and maybe an
                                               advantage in powder.
               
> Please, no flames about the Spademans ....

 Awww....you're gonna take all the fun out of this! OK...anybody still
 using Burt bindings? :-)

 ..gle
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: prange@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange)
Subject: Re: Train to Winter Park
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:23:02 GMT

I took the train to WP once and, amazingly enough, I am going to do it again.
We had a wreck before we got out of the suburbs. Power went down in the whole
train so the crappers didn't work but we drank the bar car dry anyway. As
we got underway again announcement came over the PA system "Attention Crew,
prepare for manual dump"! The image was stunning.

Otherwise, the train was comfortable and the ride pleasant. Food was ok and
the seats much, much better for sleeping that airplanes. The ride is 
scheduled at less than 24 hrs if no mishaps occur (it seems they always do).
The ride from Denver to WP is spectacular for scenery; fortunately much of
the ride thru the plains happens in the dark.

I am not sure what it costs since I go with a group.. call Amtrak? The ride
back omitted the wreck but we did have a train robbery that stopped us for
few hours again. Overall, I like trains and it was pleasant to have the time
to sit and read and have time to nap. 

I can put you in touch with the people who run our trip. We are leaving on
13 Feb. The cost is something like $700 and includes condo, food, lifts and
the train adventure. I think there may be a few slots left. (the cost is for
Rt from Bloomington, IN., probably cheaper if you get on in Chicago)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: isolot@ciba-geigy.ch (Dr. Philippe Solot)
Subject: Re: Conditions in Villars, Switz
Reply-To: isolot@ciba-geigy.ch (Dr. Philippe Solot)
Organization: Ciba-Geigy AG, Basel, Switzerland
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:24:07 GMT

I do not know how the snow conditions are in Villars, but you can get the 
corresponding information by phoning to the tourist office (+41-25-35 32 32) or to 
the snow information number of Villars (+41-25-35 33 33).

Beware of the rocks !


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rvn@icd.teradyne.com (Rafael Vidaillet)
Subject: Re: Ever get COLD FEET?
Reply-To: rvn@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:16:09 GMT


	Sure I get cold feet, but rarely... The only thing I know to do is 
to make sure that my body is real warm and that I ski pretty hard to generate
heat. I also unbuckle my boots as I sit in the chair lift, so that I get
a good amount of warm blood into my feet.  It has worked pretty well 
for me (down to -40 in New England).  I think the key thing is to remain
VERY active and stay away from the slow lifts on really cold days.

	I have seen a few people with boot warmers (battery powered).  I think
this is a neat idea and it is probably almost a most for certain people
(poor circulation, non-agressive skiers, etc.) for really cold days.   I also 
have a friend that gets these chemical heat packs that are placed inside the boot,
she only uses them on really cold days (below 0).


_RV

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: djm@kbs.citri.edu.au (David Mills)
Subject: Re: Wanted info about working at resorts
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date:  5 Jan 93 05:30:51 GMT

terence robert slywka <tslywka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

>I am interested in getting info about working at ski resorts.  If anyone out
>there has done this could you please contact me.  How did you land the job?
>Do resorts hire throughout the season or just at the start?  What is the
>experience like?

>Any help in answering these questions would be greatly appreciated...

>Thanks in advance,

>Terence Slywka

>Interent:  TSLYWKA@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
>Bitnet:  TSLYWKA@IUBACS


Hi,

I worked in ski resorts for many years, and many of my friends still work in
ski resorts.  I usually had the job lined up before I went to the resort, but
I knew many who didn't.  Most resorts, irrespective of country etc., seem to
hire most of their staff, when the snow is finally falling.  There are many
jobs that this is not the case for (Ski Instructors, cooks, managers), but
most of the jobs are held off until things are likely to get busy.  The people
who get the jobs, seem to be those who have been at the resort a little
earlier, and have made themselves know to those who will be hiring.

Trying to get a job through the season is very hard.  Because the season is
short, both employers and employees tend to put up with eachother more than
they would normally.  People don't tend to leave jobs till the end of the
season, and no-one seems to sack anyone either.  But it does happen.

In some areas, the situation may be very different, and for some types of jobs
too.

Good luck.

Do it.  Its great fun working at a ski resort.  But be very careful - going
back to a "normal" life afterwards is very difficult.

David Mills
CITRI
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg)
Subject: Re: Cross country in South Lake Tahoe region
Reply-To: mark@delfin.com
Organization: Delfin Systems, Sunnyvale CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:15:40 GMT

In article <lkuemnINNnnk@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, snively@scsi.Eng.Sun.COM (Bob Snively) writes:
|> 
|> A mixed group of alpine and XC skiers is going to visit
|> South Lake Tahoe next weekend, but with a car shortage.
|> The alpine folks are going to Heavenly.
|> 
|> What cross country (either reasonably sane back country 
|> or organized tracked systems) exist in about a 20-30 mile
|> radius from South Lake Tahoe.  Kirkwood is just a bit
|> farther than they want to go.
|> 
|> Please reply to bob.snively@sun.com.
|> 
|> Many thanks,
|> 
|> Bob Snively
Go to Kirkwood or ski in the backcountry off Carson Pass which is near
Kirkwood. Worth the extra drive (only 30 minutes anyway).
- 
Mark Rosenberg
internet:mark@delfin.com
phone: (408) 562-1126	fax: (408) 748-1140
snail: Delfin Systems, 3000 Patrick Henry Drive, Santa Clara, CA 95054-1814
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: N Tahoe region 1/2
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 18:44:16 GMT

Date: 1/2/93 10 AM
Location: Alpine Meadows, CA
Snow level: 3K ft
Elevation: 6800 ft
Snow depth: 94 in (estimated 8 inches of settling)
New snow: 0
Temps: Hi 29F, Lo teens
Lift lines: 5-10 minutes.  Tourists and one dayers came up.
Weather: sunny, clear, scattered clouds
Winds: W 0-10 MPH
Snow density: 0.3
Avalanche hazard: very High
X-C wax: Blue stick
Traffic: heavy but not as bad as years past, occasional stalled vehicles
Chains: or snow tires required off major highways (r1)
Ancillary: Arrrgh!  The hideous sun demon comes out.  I'm melting.......
Evil Sun.
Still occasional shortages of food and fuel in this area.
Two fatalities at Homewood.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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From: tmm@sdd.hp.com (Tim McDonough)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Skiing In Southern Utah
Date: 12 Jan 1993 13:00:09 -0800
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdl210.sdd.hp.com
Summary: Need Ski Conditions/Resort Descriptions Of Southern Utah
Keywords: Southern Utah Ski Conditions Resort Descriptions

Does anybody out there have some information of the ski resorts located in
southern Utah.

                                 -Tim
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16399 W. Bernardo Drive        (619) 989-0120          1350 N. Esc. Blvd. #40
San Diego, CA 92127            tmm@sdd.hp.com          Escondido, CA 92026-2520
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From: chrism@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris J. McKee)
Subject: Mt. Baker, Washington
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:33:40 GMT

Anyone know the current prices for lift tickets at Mt. Baker?

			Thanks,
				McKee =:-)
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: johnc@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (John Cooley)
Subject: Cheap ride to Winter Park
Summary: Go to WP for the weekend!
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 16:22:45 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523
Followup-To:  rec.skiing

I will be going to Winter Park from Fort Collins each of the next 11 weekends.
I leave Fort Collins at approximately 6:00 a.m., and return Sunday evening.

I drive an old 4WD Suburban with room for passengers.  The skis ride inside.
I can pick people up along Mountain View drive by the Budweiser plant and
along I-25 at Highway 14 (Mulberry), Prospect, and Harmony.  Pickups may also
be arranged elsewhere along I-25.  I can also stop at the Morrison exit on
I-70, Floyd Hill, etc.

I can transport you to lodging or into the town of Winter Park on Saturday
night.  Bus transportation is also available and free.  You are responsible
for your own lodging.

I can bring you back to the area Sunday morning, but I must be there early to
work for NSCD.  If you want to sleep in, you can catch the bus and we'll meet
in West Portal at 4:00.

You can respond to:  johnc@yuma.acns.colostate.edu
                     (303) 491-6017 during the day
                     (303) 224-2252 evenings

I hope I can make this arrangement convenient and easy for anyone interested.
You have to make it to the Saturday morning pickup on time, but you can go
back to sleep after that!  You don't have to drive Berthoud Pass (I've done it
about 300 times in the last ten years).

In the event of intense Sunday night snowstorms, return may be delayed until
Monday evening.  The Suburban can be driven through most anything except lots
of stalled cars, and we wouldn't want to miss a powder day on Monday!

       John Cooley
       Manager, Advanced Technical Computing
       Akademic Confusing and Nerdworking Services (!?!)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu (jim crouse)
Subject: Re: Need a condo in Summit!
Reply-To: jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu
Organization: AISS/Telecom University of Illinois -- Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:15:22 GMT

 I am also looking for lodging in the summit area.	

 Is there any numbers to get a listing of the hotels & condos
 in this area. 

 Also ..... can you still get the discount lift tickets in Denver ?



 Thanks much.

 jim


 jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu
From: astinus+@pitt.edu (Mark E Porterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: All I wanted was info on skiing!!
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:29:56 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1993Jan6.124759.1@evax.gdc.com> sroka@evax.gdc.com writes:
[stuff deleted]
>   I couldn't help but wonder, ... WHAT THE HECK DOES THIS COLORADO REPORT ON
>GAYS, LESBIANS AND BISEXUALS HAVE TO DO WITH SKIING???
>
>   If I'm out of line, give me a break, I'm new to this group. I somehow
>thought that rec.skiing would have something to do with clamping these long
[stuff deleted]
>   And all I wanted to do was to get some info on picking up some good used
>equipment.
>

Finally, an intelligent post on this thing...*Rave Applause**Standing Ovation*

Just one smack back though......

And I quote the amendment:

"Neither the State of Colorado, through any of its branches or 
departments, nor any of its agencies, political subdivisions,
municipalities or school districts, shall enact, adopt or enforce any
statute, regulation, ordinance or policy whereby homosexual, lesbian, or
bisexual orientation, conduct, practices or relationships shall
constitute or otherwise be the basis of, or entitle any person or class
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
of persons to have or claim any minority status, quota preferences,
^^^^^^^^^^^
protected status or claim of discrimination.  This Section of the
Constitution shall be in all respects self-executing."

The ^^^^'ed areas explicitly say that neither homosexuals nor heterosexuals
have the grounds to claim discrimination or get minority status based on
sexual orientation.  You can't force a person to hire a gay if it violates the
employers (or other employees) religious views.  And likewise you can't force
a more liberal employer to hire an anti-gay person.  

Mark E. Porterfield
x-disclaimer - My OWN opinions only.

PLEASE FLAME VIA E-MAIL AND GET THIS DAMN THREAD OFF THE NEWSGROUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.photo
From: marc@octel.com (Marc Lewert)
Subject: Re: Help photographing in snow
Keywords: photography, lighting, skiing
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:36:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.182440.27021@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>Do the usual things:
>1) Meter off of a hand (skin tones).
>2) Bracket.  Don't even expect to get perfect shots.
>3) Experiment.
>

I am not sure about 1, I would have thought a nuetral (sp?) grey would be
	better.

2 and 3 are right on.  I was in a photo class that was shooting in the snow,
and some of my best shots were experiments that we one f stop high or low.

	marc


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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: stefan@sinus.stgt.sub.org (Stefan Bechtold)
Subject: Areas with good snow in April ?
Organization: Sinus Stuttgart, Germany
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:22:05 GMT

Hi !

I'm interested in some skiing areas which have good snow in
the first half of april (I'm planning to do a trip from 3th to 18th 1993).

The problem is that the most skiing areas don't have good snow
in this time and you have to water-ski there ;-)

So if you know any skiing area *EITHER IN USA/CANADA OR EUROPE* 
which has good, let's say, the best snow in that time (:-) could
you please mail or post it for me ?

Thank you for any hints...

Happy skiing,
Stefan
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: snarfett@athena.mit.edu (Nicole A Harris)
Subject: Re: Happiness
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:58:07 GMT

>>For me happiness is carving a perfect turn!
>>I'm sure I've gotten to the point where this is possible with the help good
>>instructors.  I've only been skiing for two years
>>and I'm sure I wouldn't
>>even know what carving was if I hadn't taken a few lessons.

>And this is MY bigest beef about instructors, they tout the Center Line
>..There is One Right Way to Ski. BS! There are a thousand ways to
>turn, and each is useful in it's place. I've been in situations where the
>only safe way down was side slip to weidel to side slip (it was rather
>icy). You would NOT be happy carving a turn there, you would be DEAD.

I have also been in situations where I to side slip down a steep icy slope.
I am not stupid.  I wouldn't try to carve a turn at the risk of getting
hurt.  I don't think an instructor would tell you to do this either.  At
least not the ones I have had.  But side slipping down an icy slope 
does not make me happy.  That is not my idea of fun.  Carving in soft 
snow is much more fun.  

Not all instructors say there is only one way to ski. My last instructor said " I
am going to show you some things that MIGHT help your skiing, you can try them. 
If they work for you, great, but if they don't use them."  He stressed the fact
that there are many skiing styles, different ones work better under different
circumstances.  The most important thing is to be versitle and able to do many
different things.
From: jaym@hplsla.hp.com (Jay Miazga)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:50:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Bindings
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA