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From: ake@dayton.saic.com (Earle Ake)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Looking for advice on tracking down a system crash
Date: 15 Dec 1992 12:11:27 -0500
Organization: Science Applications Intl Corp - Dayton, Ohio
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	I have a system running VMS 5.4.  We have batch jobs that run one
process per job that control communications cards.  The software was recently
upgraded from VMS 4.7 to 5.4.  We have seen a few ramdom non-reproducible
system crashes recently.  Every system crash is due to the same executable.
Each bugcheck is a Machine check while in kernal mode.  I am looking for
advice on how to track this down.  I have saved the system dump files but
not knowing how to read them puts me at a disadvantage.  I have suggested
adding a set process/dump before the executable is run so that is in place
now but we have not had a crash yet.

	Using debug is out of the question since the device the executable
controls is realtime.  Would compiling with debug but not linking with debug
also help?  I am looking for any help I can get since I am experienced at
debugging but not real-time devices or those that cause system crashes!


-Earle
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Earle Ake  Internet: <ake@dayton.saic.com>  NSI-DECnet (SPAN): 28276::ake
From: Plain@FandM.edu (Jack Plain)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Help Writing a Mail Sorter
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:19:40 GMT
Organization: The Internet

>I am trying to write a .com file to sort my mail messages when I run it.  What
>I would like is to do a sel/from="vax" and have it move the selected messages
>into a folder in mail called vax.  Here is piece of the .com file I am working
>with:
> 
>! Mail sorting Utility !
>$mail
>$dir newmail
>$select/from="games"
>$dir
>$move/all games
>$yes (for the response to folder does not exist do you wish to make a new one?)
>Mike Hatz
>hatzm%venus.dnet@gte.com
Mike,
I am not sure this will work but It will get you past the DCL errors; Try this:
$mail
dir newmail
select/from="games"
dir
move/all games
yes (for the response to folder does not exist do you wish to make a new one?)

The difference is the lack of dollar signs.
Jack Plain
Plain@FandM.edu
From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: 9 Levels of VMS?
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:38:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Dec18.153714.7452@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com>, scottb@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (TheLrdLovsAHngn) writes...
#In Message-ID: <1992Dec11.165502.1@bronco.fnal.gov>
# 
# 
#Rick Columbo writes:
# 
#	2) Hide said directories nine levels down.  You'll need a
#	   logical to see them yourself, but the casual user won't
#	   know to look.  I'm not sure if Analyze will spot this though.
# 
# 
#What I am wondering is, how can you put something 9 levels down?
#As far as I know, VMS will only let you create up to 7 levels of
#subdirectories?  Is there a way to get 9 levels?  And if so, how?

Did you see in the original post that you quoted where the guy
said "You'll need a logical..."  That was the answer as to how
you can do it.

$define stupid$root disk$idiots:[cantread.simple.stuff.atall.5.6.7.]
$set default stupid$root:[morestupid.level10.level11]

#-- 
#Disclaimer:  I didn't do it!  Nobody saw me do it!  You can't prove anything! 
#             My opinions are my own.   They do not reflect anyone/thing else!
#\/       preferred        \/
#scottb%nw8550@utrcgw.utc.com            |           sdb@rcinet.utc.com

	Ehud

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Ehud Gavron        (EG76)     
gavron@vesta.sunquest.com
Yow!  Are we wet yet?
From: linnoise@bigboy (LN)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: LZCOMP vs ZIP vs ZOO vs ARC vs etc.
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:01:32 GMT
Organization: Temple University

Unfortunately I don't have permission to run comparison tests on the various
compression programs available for VMS.  I'd like to know which compression
program offers the highest reliability, tightest output, ease of use, etc.
Please email me with any information on this.  I will post a summary here.

---linnoise@129.32.32.98  My opinions are strictly those of my own.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: scottb@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (Scottb)
Subject: Re: How to prevent login.com from running.
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:45:00 GMT

Lori,

how about modifying the lgicmd in authorize?  That way login.com won't auto-
matically run when the users log in.  If they want their login.com to run,
then they would have to manually run it - ie. @login.com.  Don't know if this
is exactly what you are looking for, but it's a start.
-- 
Disclaimer:  I didn't do it!  Nobody saw me do it!  You can't prove anything! 
             My opinions are my own.   They do not reflect anyone/thing else!
\/       preferred        \/
scottb%nw8550@utrcgw.utc.com            |           sdb@rcinet.utc.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: olin@dante.cheme.cornell.edu (Steve Thompson)
Subject: Re: Mail overflow problems
Reply-To: olin@dante.cheme.cornell.edu
Organization: Chemical Engineering, Cornell University, NY
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:18:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.030727.1@us.oracle.com>, comet@us.oracle.com writes:
>In article <921210082758.c2c@ziavms.enmu.edu>, GOLDEN::CRAIGMR@ZIAVMS.ENMU.EDU (BOB CRAIGMILE) writes:
>> Recently someone posted about problems with their mail spilling over into
>> their account directory, e.g. directory listings that looked like this:
>>
>> mail$484350009600045.mai;1.
>>
>> This is exactly the problem;  I don't want these files laying there in my
>> account directory.  I want them in mail where they belong.  How can I fix
>> this?  I have system privileges (Microvax II, VMS 5.4).  Thanks!
>>
>Well, if that's all, then having your MAIL.MAI file not be an indexed file
>will take care of this.  Of course, you'll lose some functionality, but I
>think that all mail messages that you receive will be placed in the MAIL.MAI
>file, just like it used to before you upgraded VMS.  Details left to follow-ups.

Try:

	MAIL> HELP SET MAIL

-Steve

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From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: MOVE for Vms anywhere ?
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:23:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Dec14.110305.2934@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl>, NL0242T@NLZCL (Oscar van Eijk) writes...
#Hi There,
# 
#I am looking for a Vms MOVE command (I'ld prefer a fully Vms command which
#allows /LOG, /CONFIRM, /EXCLUDE etc. qualifiers).
# 
#I haven't seen anything like it yet, so I wrote my own (in DCL :-{), but
#I can't get it working the way I want it to.
# 
#If anybody knows where to find such a program, please let me know at
#nl0242t@nlzcl.decnet.philips.nl

	$ HELP RENAME

# 
#Thanx in advance,
#Oscar.

	Ehud

--
Ehud Gavron        (EG76)     
gavron@vesta.sunquest.com
Spreading peanut butter reminds me of opera!!  I wonder why?
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From: fontanel@taloa.unice.fr (Fontanel Laurent)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,vmsnet.misc,vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Using MS-Windows env. with Pathworks
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:20:27 +0100
Organization: University of Nice Sophia-Antipolis
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: taloa.unice.fr


It seems that MS WinWord 2.0 Installer refuses to propose the 'Network' installation option when you want to install it on a disk service (is the disk service considered as a local disk ?) but it proposes the option if you try to install it on a file service... Am I missing a file or a special configuration on the Vax side ?

Other thing I'd like to know : is it possible to specify to WinWord that you want to redirect sensitive files (like Win.ini & ...) on the local disk to allow users having a special configuration for their machine ?

Last thing I'd like to know : Is there any mean to force an application to quit after a given idle time ? Thinking about It, I see different solutions, but each has something that make me think It won't work :
 - writing a Windows App. that scans inactivity on the machine (~ INIT for Macintosh users) : I think this will never work because of potential presence of Screen-Savers, auto-save facilities of some applications (like WinWord) and so on...
 - writing a macro that runs in background at startup for each app. : I think this is not possible...
 - writing an interface with Visual Basic to launch each app. and see if the user is doing something with a given application : this risks to slow down the machine and I am not sure that the interface between Visual Basic and other applications is so good...
 - ??? may be this kind of feature is already implemented in some applications....

If you are experienced in those domains, please e-mail me or drop something in the newsgroup ! Any suggestions, comments, insults or else are welcome !!!

			Lau.


fontanel@taloa.unice.fr
From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: FIXed: OpenVMS VAX V6.0 Postscript press release!
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:53:59 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

In article <1992Dec14.114851.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, brent@uwovax.uwo.ca (Brent
Sterner) writes:
>    Some time in early December, "Paul" posted a PostScript file outlining
>    OpenVMS VAX V6.0.  I rediscovered it today; it did not print on our ps
>    printer.  (I had to prefix the file with %! to prevent our printer
>    simply printing the file as text.)
> 
	...

	Thanks to Jerzy Michal Pawlak who helped me resolve this.  Two things
	to do to the posted file:

	a) Prefix it with a %! record (so the ps text doesn't print as ascii),
		and
	b) remove a redundant ")" in the following line:

/Notice (Copyright )1988, 1989, 1990, 1991 Lawrence N. Huppert) readonly
                   ^
                   |_____    (remove this paren)

It's worth understanding what exactly has happened here, since it may have
happened elsewhere in the file.  That's NOT a "redundant" ")", or at least
it wasn't in the original file.  ")" is ASCII character 41.  Add 128 to that
(i.e., set the top bit) and you get DEC MCS/ISO Latin 1 character 169, which
is ")".  Some of you will see that as what it should be (and was in the
original file):  C-in-circle, the international copyright symbol.  Others of
you will probably see another ")", as some broken mailer on the net strips of
those "irrelevant" top bits.  That's undoubtedly what happened to the Post-
script file, too.  The question I can't answer is whether there were any other
characters in the file which were mangled in this way.

	The resulting file prints (but Ghostscript here still chokes)-: .
	Thanks again Michal.  b.

							-- Jerry

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: partensky@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Elvis
Reply-To: partensky@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:06:30 GMT

I have been using Elvis (VMS version of vi editor) lately and encountered one
annoying problem: upon exitting out of insert mode (type Esc), characters 
immediately before and after the cursor became uppercased, so I have to
replace them with lower case letters. 

Can someone out there help me? Thanks.
From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Not translating lexicals in symbols
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:17:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Dec16.123301.20677@yang.earlham.edu>, alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu writes...
#I would like to have a symbol that has a lexical in it, but I don't want the
#lexical to be translated until the symbol is used.  For instance. make a symbol
#out of:
# 
#     dir/since="''f$cvtime(,"absolute",)-10"
# 
#The problem I am having is that the lexical either gets translated when I
#define the symbol:
#          dd:==dir/since=""'f$cvtime(,"absolute",)-10"""
#     Yeilds:
#          DD == "DIR/SINCE="16-DEC-1992 12:20:49.58-10""
#Or not at all:
#          dd:==dir/since=""""''f$cvtime(,"absolute",)-10"""
#     Yeilds:
#          DD == "DIR/SINCE="F$CVTIME(,absolute,)-10""
#The closest I can get is:
#          DD == "DIR/SINCE="'f$cvtime(,ABSOLUTE,)-10""
#     Using:
#          dd:==dir/since="""'f$cvtime(,"absolute",)-10"""
#But what I want is
#          DD == "DIR/SINCE="''F$CVTIME(,absolute,)-10""
#I understand what causes the output in all these cases... I was wondering if
#there is a way to get what I want.

	Not without putting the command in a command procedure and
	then having a symbol call up the command procedure.

# 
#Thanks,
#Alan Moore                              alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu
#System/Network Manager, Postmaster      (317)983-1437
#Earlham College
#Richmond, IN
#Thanks,

	Ehud

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gavron@vesta.sunquest.com
Here we are in America...  when do we collect unemployment?
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From: kcb@post.its.mcw.edu (Kent C. Brodie)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.org.decus
Subject: DECREASING system performance
Date: 17 Dec 1992 09:20:23 -0600
Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin  (Milwaukee, WI)
NNTP-Posting-Host: post.its.mcw.edu
Summary: a little MAGIC
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The following "list" is a cute thing I devised some time ago, specifically
for presentation at the recent "VAX MAGIC" session at the recent DECUS.
I have had several requests for it, so here it is.    
(p.s., my presentation took 2nd place.   Joel Snyder's hilarious
musical presentation took first)

(Introduction:   "Most of us deal with system performance issues every day.
This includes using several tools to tweak that LAST little extra bit
out of our existing systems.   What does that gain US, the technical
support staff?   NOTHING!   we're STILL stuck using that SAME old
system.    Therefore, I present the following 'top 10' ways of
DECREASING system performance, in order to help convince upper management
that you really DO need a new system after all.....")

---------

 Top 10 ways to bog down you system load to convince upper 
 management that you need a faster system:
 ==========================================================


 10) [system response time]
     Run  SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSTEST]UETCLIG00.COM during PEAK system time.
     Give it a value of, oh, 988 interactive users

 9)  [tape, operator time]   Use your console media for all backups 

 8)  [DECNET]   If you do DECNET area routing, hook up youe area 
     router(s) using asynchronous DECNET.

 7)  [Network, system response time]  Use BACKUP to copy the contents
     of your INFOSERVER CDROM disks to the NULL device.

 6)  [disk i/o, system response time]  Move your slowest disk
     (like that old RA60)  to the highest requestor port on your HSC.   

 5)  [system response time, network]  Move SYSUAF.DAT, JBCSYSQUE.DAT,
     and all your installed images to an NFS-served disk.     

 4)  [system response time] If you have VMS 5.4-3 or higher, set the
     value of FREEGOAL to 90% of your memory's size.

 3)  [network, system response time]  Run FLIGHT SIMULATOR [see pic]
     [7 VUPS needed just for a 10 frame per second update for a single 
     aircraft in a world of moderate complexity]

 2)  [Response time, memory]    Use DECRAM to keep your 
     PAGE and SWAP files

 1)  [EVERYTHING] Use *any* product in the "ALL-in-1" product set!








-- 
--------------
Kent C. Brodie - Sr. Systems/Network Manager		brodie@post.its.mcw.edu
Information Technology Systems
Medical College of Wisconsin				(414) 257-8769
From: Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How to use pseudo-terminal driver ?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:07:06 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I second the request for an example of using the PTD$ routines for 
pseudo-terminals: due to an annoying but entirely-too-typical (around
my workplace (which isn't Portal)) screwup, we have documentation AND
update service, but have been receiving the post-VMS-V5.4 updates whereas
we have the VMS V5.2 baseline set.  Our manuals are a horror and management
won't pay for a new set because technically we 'already have' docs and
update service.  Things that are missing include, but are not limited to,
the MAIL$ utility routines and the pseudo-terminal support; anybody know
what else only appeared after V5.2?  Sigh.

Chris Chiesa
  Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com
From: ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: InfoServer access to Ultrix OLD
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:36:56 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

I've got a problem accessing Ultrix online docs from a VMS InfoServer client. 
Is this possible?  What's the catch?  My goal is to make the OLD available from
both Ultrix and VMS InfoServer clients.  So far, we haven't even been able to
figure out how to get VMS to mount the CD such that it's readable at all. I
haven't found anything in any manual giving pointers to how this is done so I'd
appreciate any info you can spare.

E-mail replies preferred and I'll summarize if necessary.

Thanks, 
	.../Ed
-- 

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EWilts@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA     Office:  (604) 389-3430    Fax: (604) 389-3412
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: nowacki@porsche.net.com ( Michael Nowacki I.T. Database Contractor)
Subject: Re: Not translating lexicals in symbols
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:21:16 GMT

In article <17DEC199211172521@spades.aces.com> gavron@ACES.COM writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.123301.20677@yang.earlham.edu>, alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu writes...
>#I would like to have a symbol that has a lexical in it, but I don't want the
>#lexical to be translated until the symbol is used.  For instance. make a symbol
>#out of:
># 
>#     dir/since="''f$cvtime(,"absolute",)-10"
># 
>#The problem I am having is that the lexical either gets translated when I
>#define the symbol:
>#          dd:==dir/since=""'f$cvtime(,"absolute",)-10"""
>#     Yeilds:
>#          dd:==dir/since="""'f$cvtime(,"absolute",)-10"""
>#But what I want is
>#          DD == "DIR/SINCE="''F$CVTIME(,absolute,)-10""
>#I understand what causes the output in all these cases... I was wondering if
>#there is a way to get what I want.
>
>	Not without putting the command in a command procedure and
>	then having a symbol call up the command procedure.
>

Why can't you put it in a symbol, though? For example:

(sql is a symbol for the Ingres Sql query interface; it invokes the program)
Ingres requires a database name as a parameter. Hiding the name with a logical,
this works interactively...

$ sql 'f$trnlnm("DBNAME")

If it is assigned to a symbol,

$ zz :== 'sql "'f$trnlnm("""DBNAME""")"

the symbol LOOKS correct ...

$sh sym zz
  ZZ == "$II_SYSTEM:[INGRES.BIN]TM.EXE -QSQL 'f$trnlnm("DBNAME")"

but the equivalence of DBNAME is not passed as a parameter like it is when
entered interactively.

Why not?

p.s. sorry about my previous post about file versions.
From: gezelter@rlgsc.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: BINDING System disk to another disk
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:51:52 GMT
Organization: Robert Gezelter Software Consultant, Flushing, NY

In article <1992Dec17.125112.1@vulcan.mentec.ie>, peter@vulcan.mentec.ie writes:
> I've a Vaxstation 3100 with 3 x 100 Mb disks; 1 for a system disk, 1 user disk
> & 1 disk which I intend to use for products. 
> 
> Now, the problem arises because Decwrite & similar products need to be installed
> on the system disk. However, by the time VMS and DecWindows are on the system
> disk then there's not much room left for anything else.
> 
> In order to overcome this problem I decided to use MOUNT/BIND to join the
> system disk and the product disk together, so that VMS sees them as one volume.
> 
> Great, I thought; but wait a minute, how do I dismount the system disk so that
> I can MOUNT it using BIND ?? And that's the problem, I need some mechanism to
> be able to mount the system disk so that I can bind it.
> 
> Alternatively, can anyone suggest any other methods of achieving what I want?
> 
> Reply by Email if possible, as I don't read this group too often.
> 
> Thanks, Peter
> 
> 
> -- 
> Peter Thornton,            |    peter@mentec.ie
> -----------------------    | ---------------------
> Mentec Computer Systems,   | 
> Dun Laoghaire,             |   "Everything you
> Co. Dublin,                |    know is wrong"
> Ireland                    |
-- 
Peter,
 
While it does sound convenient, you cannot use a bound volume set 
as your system residence device. However, there is another solution 
which works quite well.
 
Much of the bulk of files which end up on your system device are 
not needed during the bootstrap process, indeed, many of them are 
only used as include files during program development, or help 
files for the online help facility.
 
These files will not be referenced during the startup process. In 
situations such as your own, I have freqently moved all of these 
files to another disk, then defined the logical names (e.g. 
SYS$LIBRARY) do point to a search list which includes both the 
original directory (on the system disk) and the overflow 
directory (on a different disk). 
 
The above solution allows you to free up a large quantity of 
space with almost no impact on system performance. If you find 
that your system disk is again filling up, find some more files 
to move to the other disk.
 
I hope that the above information is helpful. If I have been 
unclear, or if you have other questions, please contact me via 
Email or phone.
 
- Bob
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From: kraftjoel@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Grammar Checking Software
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:34:08 CST
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA


We are trying to find grammar checking software to run on our cluster.  We are
an academic environment and are current using Data Processing Design's Word-11
product for our word processor.  We would like to hear what anyone has to say
about the following:

	o Any word processing package for the VAX that has _integrated_
	  grammar checking
	o Grammar checkers for the VAX that can be run in conjunction
	  with an existing word processing package
	o Any experiences with the grammar checker that DEC offers

We have looked at the DEC software, but it only works with plain ASCII files,
which means a document has to be exported, grammar checked, and then
reimported (then losing any formatting).

Any information is greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Joel Kraft
System Manager
Buena Vista College