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From: del_col@ab.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: WANTED Gloire des Rosomanes and Russeliana roses
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:34:33 GMT
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

I wish to acquire cuttings or rooted divisions of the rose cultivar
Gloire des Rosomanes, a China-Bourbon hybrid that is also known as
Ragged Robin.  I understand that it is used as a rootstock in California,so
there could be suckers of it growing out there in the Golden State.

I'm also interested in gettings cuttings or rooted divsions of  an old
rambler rose called Russelliana or Old Spanish Rose.  Please E-mail
any responses.  Thanks very much.
From: snyder@henry.ece.cmu.edu (John Snyder)
Subject: Re: Flame: Why Kay Gardens
Organization: Physics Department, Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:27:05 GMT


[...lots of stuff deleted...]

>
>To continue the lazy gardener thread.  I don't can or freeze (except
>pesto) anything.  Living in San Diego there is always something in
>season.  By the time I have enough of something to freeze, I'm bored
>eating it (or it's spoiling already).  Eating what's in season is
>about as close as you can get to feeling the seasons here.  (i.e.
>Citrus, lettuce, and peas it's winter, strawberries it's spring,
>tomatoes and basil it's summer, more tomatoes and basil it's our fall
>that feels more like summer than summer, and so on.)
>
>Jim


I don't freeze, can, or dry much stuff either (and I don't consider
myself a lazy gardener).  One of the reasons that I garden is to
keep in touch with the natural world, and with the cycle of the
seasons.  I do not garden chiefly to reduce my food budget, or
just to provide a source of cheap vegetables.  I could do better
by shopping the farmer's markets.  I work underground, and spend
much of my time at work living within computers.  I can not tell 
whether it is sunny or rainy, light or dark most of the time.  
My garden keeps me in touch with the world outside and the cycles of
life and the seasons.  I garden mainly to watch things grow.  At
our community gardens, I can also watch the songbirds, and learn their
behavior and their calls.  I learn much about insects, their
lifecycles, and behavior.  I see wild animals:  The hawk cruising
the thermals at the edge of the ridge.  The bats that zip around at dusk.
The deer and racoons (yes, they come raiding occaisionally).  I grow
small amounts of many different kinds of vegetables.  If something
does not do well this year, something else surely will.  The garden
also teaches an important lesson for the rest of life:  No matter
how hard you work, you don't have 100% control over the outcome
of things.  You do what you can, and the rest is part of some larger
cycle.  [I may spend much time and effort growing good corn, but
a violent summer thunderstorm might knock it flat.  I can cover
a few things from the first frost, but I can not hold back the 
winter.]  I eat my vegetables when they are ripe, and give away 
the rest to my garden neighbors, friends and relatives.  Which reminds
me of the other reason that I garden:  to be part of the community
of neighbors at the community gardens.

A friend of mine at the gardens who is a writer, once discussed
community gardening as part of an article she wrote.  She said
that the reasons that people start to garden there and the reasons
that they keep coming back each season are two different reasons:
People start in order to get cheap, high-quality vvegetables.
People keep coming back to be part of the community of gardeners,
and the cycle of the seasons.

John
snyder@henry.ece.cmu.edu


Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (Vince Summers)
Subject: Re: Naturalism---Could we have a group?
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:04:45 GMT

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From: fjg@asyst.UUCP (Fred Genett)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Tree Peonies From Seed - Questions.
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:59:03 GMT
Organization: ASYST Software Technologies, Inc.

> In article <1992Sep10.203718.10924@u.washington.edu>, bbeer@milton.u.washington.edu (Bob Beer) writes:
> > I recently acquired some seeds of a tree peony and would like to try and
> > grow them.  Any peony experts out there?  (Kay?? :)
> 

In addition to the great cultural information given by Kay Klier, there is
one other fact that you should know about tree peony seeds, a phenomenon
know as 'epicotyl dormancy'. What this means is that the seedling will
germinate and stop growth at the cotyledon stage until a freezing/thawing
cycle has occured. Ideally, you would want to germinate the seeds in
May. This would give enough time for the seedling to establish reasonable
root growth before the winter dormancy period.

Good Luck.

Fred Genett
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Pollinating morning glories
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:27:43 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>    My morning glories (Ipomoea tricolor/violacea) are currently flowering
> and I'm wondering whether they need the help of insects or if they are self-
> pollinating in some way (e.g. wind). If insects are needed, could I play one
> using a cotton stick, for instance?
>    By the way, is there a FAQ list or more than one on this newsgroup? If
> there are, where could I get them?

You can pretty much assume that plants with colored flowers are pollinated
by animals, and plants with small greenish or brownish flowers with huge
stamens and stigmas are wind pollinated.

White flowers *tend* to be pollinated by night-flying insects and bats.

Hummingbird and Sunbird flowers tend to be orange or red, and tubular,
  with lots of sweet nectar.

Insect pollinated flowers are most other colors, but usually not red.  
  Insect pollinated flowers often have patterns on them invisible to
  humans, but nicely visible (as bullseyes or landing lights) to
  insects.   You can make certain of these UV-active compounds (anthochlor
  pigments) visible in daylight by putting a yellow flower in a closed jar
  with some household ammonia vapor.  The anthochlors turn orange with
  ammonia vapor.  You're most likely to succeed with "daisy-looking"
  flowers (technically these are a number of flowers gathered together
  into a flower-like inflorescence, the "head" or "capitulum").

The FAQ's are just getting off the ground, mainly due to my strained
schedule, and some family emergencies.  We've got a couple of catalog
lists, a fertilizer FAQ, and a beginner's guide to seed starting.  More
to come, and soon, I hope!  let me know if any are of interest.

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Naturalism---could we have a group?
Followup-To: rec.gardens,alt.config
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:28:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.145233.20296@cis.ohio-state.edu>, amz@iguana.cis.ohio-stat
>in article <VSUMMERS.92Sep7092233@polaris.cv.nrao.edu>
>vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (vince summers) writes:
>
> >     This is probably not the place to ask the subject question, but then
> >I don't know proper procedure.

> >     Not one to wildflowers, birds, trees, naturalism (I think).
> >... Couldn't someone, perhaps from rec.gardens(?)
> >who is familiar with the computer system, has the interest if not the
> >knowledge, and who has the time, pursue this for us?

I suggest you crosspost this in alt.config.  You may want to come up with a
good name for the group, many people dislike groups that don't fall under
some hierarchy, and using.dots.to.spell.out.a.phrase is also frowned upon.
Poorly thought out names = few sites carrying the group = small readership.

>surely it would be possible to ask this simple question - is there any
>interest in a nature study / natural history newsgroup? - without
>gratuitous insults (there are a thousand or so newsgroups, each with
>its own reason for being; no one is forcing this fool to read any of
>them, nor is anyone interested in his opinion about whether they are
>worthwhile or not), malicious fabrications (there is no group devoted
>to hamsters and duct tape, nor has any actual human being ever messed
>around with hamsters in the fashion this idiot seems to be alluding
>to), and outright falsehoods (a very tiny number of the newsgroups are
>devoted to sex-related topics, and a very tiny number - three, by my
>count - of *them* are concerned in any way with homosexuality).

Looks like your system manager/news manager has taken the effort to clean out
many of the junk/joke groups.  I have some 2000 groups available, a large
proportion are 'joke' groups, and at least 25 are sex-related.  There are
others that were cleaned out earlier, and yes there was an
alt.sex.bestiality.hamster.duct-tape joke group.  Anyone who knows how can
create a joke group and many sites add them automatically.

-Mike
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: plant root hormones?
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:28:49 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

troberts@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
> ROOTONE is advertised as a plant root hormone that encourages cuttings 
> to grow roots and become real plants.  Has anybody out there ever used 
> ROOTONE or similar substances?  Can someone send my a list of plants 
> that will respond to this stuff, or point me to a FAQ list?

Rootone and Hormonex are a couple of brands of synthetic rooting hormones--
and I use them all the time in the greenhouse when I'm striking cuttings.
These come in a variety of strengths (they are auxin analogs), and you
just dip the last few nodes into the powder, tap the excess off, and stick
the cutting into the rooting media.

Here's where the fun starts: IAA and its analogs _inhibit_ root growth 
at high concentrations, and the listings on the sides of the cans or
packets generally talk about only a few common species.  Some species
will root in single-strength Hormonex, but won't root in higher 
concentrations.  Another species wouldn't root at lower concentrations,
will root at double strength, and won't root at highest strength....

My seat-of-the-pants guide for which strength to choose is lowest
strength for herbaceous plants, middle strength for most vines/trees/shrubs,
and highest strength for hard-to-root plants like conifers. 

If I've got plenty of plant material to play with, and I really don't
know how this species will respond, I put some untreated cuttings in 
the mist bed, and some treated with each of the concentrations on hand.
Then I get out that underutilized best tool, the notebook, and start 
taking notes.

If I don't have much, I try untreated and treated with lowest concentration.
Then if I see no roots in 6 weeks, I'll bump it up to medium conc...
For the absolutely most stubborn, hard to root plants, I use very dilute
2,4-D, which is also an auxin analog (it essentially kills at
herbicidal concentrations by "growing the plant to death").

Why do I use Rootone, etc.?  Well, if you get the right concentration,
the cuttings _do_ root much faster and come out of the mist bed much 
sooner than if I had untreated cuttings.  Our mist bed isn't very big,
and we all have to share the space, so "KLIER, GET YOUR D**N CUTTINGS 
OUT OF HERE!!!!"  There is also a little fungicide in most preparations
and that seems to help improve the survival.

I don't have a list of what plants need what strength.  The commonly
available Rootone is the lowest of the 3 concentrations available--
it's an OK choice for most things.  I suspect that a professional plant
propagation manuals have tables of all this, but I don't own one. 
Just need to hit a few more booksales and used book stores!  ;-)

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: denise@isl.world (Denise M. Cuevas)
Subject: The sex of a seed
Organization: Information Systems Lab, Stanford University
Distribution: rec.gardens
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:28:20


Cursed with growing up in suburbia, I know little of the basics of
nature. I'd like to grow several fruit-producing trees (cherry, peach,
apple, etc.) from seed. After I finish eating a fruit
that I especially like, I intend to plant the seed and produce a tree.

It's my understanding that I will need a male and female of each tree 
in my garden in order for at least one tree to produce fruit. 
Is there a way to tell if a seed will produce a boy or a girl? Is
there a way to tell if a seedling is a boy or a girl? I'd hate to end
up 3 to 4 years from now with a row full of unproductive male trees.

I would really like to grow these from seed.

All the library books I've been able to get my hands on don't touch on
this very basic question.

Thanks for any wisdom you can impart,
Denise
From: bryant@neural.Kodak.COM (Steve Bryant)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Natural snail controls
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:47:48 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY


>What are other natural snail and slug controls?  I've heard
>of ducks or geese, and copper, but the snake's new for me.
>

My box turtle loves slugs.
From: kls@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kenneth L Shellberg)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Public Gardens in Raleigh NC
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:12:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University

I will be in the Raleigh NC area the week of 21 September.  While there I
would like to check out public gardens, great nurseries, and any other worthy
places to visit.  (I should say that my main interest is ornamental gardening
as I no longer have enough sun for vegies.)  Therefore I am asking the net for
suggestions:  What should be on my "must see" list?

Ken

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Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Sunflowers
Reply-To: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:14:59 GMT

	Hello, I saw this group listed and thought I'd jump on to ask some
experts about sunflowers.  I've recently fallen in love with these flowers and
wonder how hard they are to grow.  I don't know much about gardening.  Are they
planted as seeds or bulbs (I think I'm showing my ignorance)?  When are they
usually planted?  How long until they bloom?  If anyone could email me because
I won't be able to read this very often I would be greatful.
							Bill C.


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From: vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (Vince Summers)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Wildflowers to Naturalism
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:21:56 GMT
Distribution: rec.gardens
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory


     When I first subscribed to rec.gardens, I was expecting too much from
it.  I was hoping that many or some out there would have extensive know-
ledge of wildflowers.  Some have provided information that I am  grateful
for.  Also, on occasion I have benefited others.  I enjoyed the feeling.
     I was, nevertheless hoping to see some intertwining of all wild nature
in one group I labelled naturalism, not knowing what else to call it.
I pointed out that there are many categories which would probably not be
viewed as the most valuable or educational.  Some, rather than considering
what I was truly concerned about took offense.  For this I don't 
apologize.  I could have picked something else as an example, perhaps,
but I don't apologize.  Why not?  I am firmly convinced that homosexuality
is a filthy perversion.  A man putting his penis up another man's rectum
or in his mouth?  What else can I think.  Nevertheless, I did not have
discussing this in mind when I wrote the original posting.  I heard from
many homosexuals on the subject, and seldom with a civil tongue, but only
from one individual who knew I intended no malice.  Where are the others
who didn't have the courage to support what they believe?  Afraid of a 
little negative electronic mail?  You know, in Hitler's Germany many
knew Hitler was wrong, but wouldn't speak out.  Look what happened to so
many innocent persons.  If you know something, don't apologize or back
down for taking a stand.
     Now I would like to please many out there.  Rec.gardens is truly about
home backyard gardens, and has little to recommend itself to the wild flower
enthusiast.  I tried and failed with my naturalism, too.  So I will 
unsubscribe from rec.gardens after finishing with this post.  Again,
thanks for what knowledge I have gained to my helpers.

Sincerely,
Vincent Summers

vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: rogerv@sco.COM (Roger Vortman)
Subject: Deer vs. lilacs?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:13:37 GMT


What has been the experience of folks with deer eating or not
eating lilac bushes?  I have just planted a lilac bush, and am
wondering if I need to sit up nights to shoo the deer away from 
it...

It has survived a week in the ground, but you know how deer are.
They just kind of wander around until they find something they like.

Thanks.

-Roger
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Grape Hyacinths
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:05:49 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

joannek@ems.cdc.com (Joanne Kube-Harderwijk) writes:
> 
> This is the only spring bulb I have ever had that acted like this.  Is this 
> typical for grape hyacinth?  Are 'my' grape hyacinths confused? or am I?

My grape hyacinths don't act like that.  But then, I'm often confused, and
some of it may rub off on MY plants ;-).  Now there ARE some species
of Muscari that *do* produce foliage in the fall-- the nomenclature
is badly confoos-ed in this group -- you might want to compare yours
with the photos in Rix & Phillips' _Bulbs_ (Pan published it in
Great Britain, Random House in the US).

Kay Klier 
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: mfb@metropolis.super.org (Michael F. Bridgland)
Subject: Re: Raising PH
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center, Bowie MD, USA
	<1992Sep2.230309.1975@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:57:26 GMT


In article <1992Sep2.230309.1975@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
rfrench@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert S. French) writes:

   Our local tap water in Palo Alto has a PH of around 5.5.  This wreaks
   havoc with my hydroponic gardening, since the PH decreases rapidly as
   the nutrient solution is used up.  I've tried adding lime to the
   solution, but it tends to settle out and clog up the pump.  I've also
   tried General Hydroponics' "PH Up", but even a full quart in my 35
   gal. tank doesn't have a noticeable effect.  Does anyone have any
   better suggestions?  Perhaps some chemical I could buy from a chemical
   supply house that would be cheaper than $10/qt for PH Up (and a lot
   stronger).

The chemical of choice for this purpose is caustic soda (sodium
hydroxide). It's easy to produce, and cheap. It's also potentially
lethal. The wells in our neighborhood all produce water with a pH of
just over 4.0. This isn't just bad for plants: it eats copper pipes.
Untreated water running through copper pipes turns lavatories,
toilets, and clothes blue in short order. We treat the water with
caustic soda which is sold by pool-supply and water-treatment stores
in gallon bottles (dissolved in water, I'm not sure at what
concentration) for about $4.00 a gallon; in a mixing tank, it gets
diluted with water at the rate of 2 to 4 gallons of bottled solution
per 40 gallons of tap water. Then a chemical feeder pump that adds
caustic soda (sodium hydroxide) in tiny measured doses; the treated
water then flows into another 40-gallon mixing tank (this one in the
supply line under pressure) whenever the well pump is running. 

I have not attempted to work out the pH of the solution in the bottle,
but a few drops of the diluted solution from the first mixing tank
will raise a quart of ph 4.0 water to pH 10.0. Needless to say, the
bottled solution, which looks like water, is lethal if swallowed. Even
the diluted solution in the holding tank causes skin burns. A
well-maintained,  accurate chemical feeder pump is essential.



--
Michael F. Bridgland
Supercomputing Research Center
17100 Science Drive
Bowie, Maryland 20715-4300

Telephone: (301) 805-7382
Internet: mfb@super.org
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: Naturalism---could we have a group?
Followup-To: rec.gardens
Summary: how not to ask a simple question
Organization: out in linguistics, etc.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:52:33 GMT

in article <VSUMMERS.92Sep7092233@polaris.cv.nrao.edu>
vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (vince summers) writes:

 >     This is probably not the place to ask the subject question, but then
 >I don't know proper procedure.
 >     Have you notice[d] that a large portion of GNUS is devoted to stupid
 >subjects like bestiality, homosexuals, hamsters and duct tape, sex pictures,
 >etc.?     
 >     Not one to wildflowers, birds, trees, naturalism (I think).
 >... Couldn't someone, perhaps from rec.gardens(?)
 >who is familiar with the computer system, has the interest if not the
 >knowledge, and who has the time, pursue this for us?  

surely it would be possible to ask this simple question - is there any
interest in a nature study / natural history newsgroup? - without
gratuitous insults (there are a thousand or so newsgroups, each with
its own reason for being; no one is forcing this fool to read any of
them, nor is anyone interested in his opinion about whether they are
worthwhile or not), malicious fabrications (there is no group devoted
to hamsters and duct tape, nor has any actual human being ever messed
around with hamsters in the fashion this idiot seems to be alluding
to), and outright falsehoods (a very tiny number of the newsgroups are
devoted to sex-related topics, and a very tiny number - three, by my
count - of *them* are concerned in any way with homosexuality).

in fact, it seems to me that this way of presenting the question
virtually guarantees that no one will pursue the question.  who
would want to associate themselves with such a mean-spirited buffoon?

as a very amateur but enthusiastic wildflower person, i think this
would be a shame.

perhaps the proposal could be allowed to die away for the moment, and
later be reintroduced by someone with some intelligence and some
humanity.

arnold
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Australian plants/Ameriflora  
From: Dawn_Scotting@kcbbs.gen.nz (Dawn Scotting)
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:35:45 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

arkdr@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Dave Rindos) writes:   
>I **really** doubt it will be hardy in zone 5 (which as I recall gets  
>temperatures around 0F).  THe SUnset Encyclopedia (USA) lists it as  
Well it seems that zone 5 is a lot colder than I thought, maybe the  
'Pohutukawa' (NZ Xmas Tree) may not be very happy there. However it is  
not a native of Australia but New Zealand which is not as hot. It looks  
like we have 3 different climates and as far as I know it will thrive in  
all of them, they are:- Temperate moist, Cool dry and Cool moist.  
   
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