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From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.bicycles,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: yakima vs thule opinions wanted
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:57:33 GMT
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University


	If anyone has a copy of this thread from a few months ago please post
	it so we don't have to go through all this again. That said, my $.02:

	I like Thule better than Yakima, mostly because the kayak stackers are
	much better. On the Yakima the 'yak stackers are just posts sticking
	up, with no hole to thread straps through. The Thule stackers are loops
	so you can run a strap through them more securely.

	I also think they look a little better, but that's just personal... :-)

	The only problem I've had with my Thules is that when I crank them down
	on my rain gutter, the clamps have been known to dent the side of my
	truck. This could be that my truck ('85 Toyota 4Runner) just has weird
	roof lines, or this could be because I originally bought the rack for
	a Volkswagen and it *seemed* to fit on my truck :-(. Now I just put the
	clamps in the same place every time...

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From: david@mullara.met.unimelb.edu.au (David Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: ozsnow
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:55:15 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne Dept of Meteorology

>I'm going for my first ski of the year this weekend.  It's been nearly
>10 months since the last.  We've had a fairly dry June/July in Oz, it's
>been reasonable for beginners/lower intermediates, but not much else.
>The slopes have been very quiet.  ??? We had a few snow >>showers<< in the
                      ^^^^^^^^^^

    
    We skied N.S.W. last week and from what I heard the crowds were 
    among the biggest ever... And the skiing wasn't half bad...


>mountains over the last few days, but still no decent advanced skiing
>yet.  Actually, this time last year there was virtually no snow, then
>it dumped all August.  Here's hoping.

Well to make you Northerners fell just that little bit worse, the 
skiing here in O.Z. is in the Good to Excellent stage.. After a week
of cold nights and sunny days, the fronts started rolling in over last
weekend and dropped between 30 and 60 cm. of snow over the O.Z. alps.

As for the showers mentioned above, I was up their on Sunday and saw
30 cm of snow fall in less than 3 hours... By far the heaviest rate of
snow fall I've ever seen, with accumulations quoted to 80 cm. in 
sheltered areas.....

>I'll ski a few runs for y'all.  Unfortunately, we don't have any 2000'
>(vertical) bump runs here.

You could of skied 4000' at Hotham on Sunday, but it would have been 
one hell of a climb....

--
David Jones.
School of Earth Sciences, University of Melbourne.
From: hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: When do the tumbleweeds come out in western Kansas?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:06:50 GMT
Organization: EDS Research


>> Last winter in November, I did take a road trip to Denver, and saw millions
>> of tumbleweeds flying across I-70.  I had to dodge them--there were so many.
>> But two months later, when my roommates were with me, no tumbleweeds.
>> 
>> Do tumbleweeds have a 'season' when they are around.  Is this 'season' 
>> early winter?   
>> Anybody got any ideas?

Well, that's easy.  you were in the wrong state!  New Mexico, and
specifically Albuquerque, NM, is the tumbleweed capital of the world!  It's
always tumbleweed season here.  In fact, I see a couple dozen of the little
critters rolling past my office window even as I type.  They clog up the
storm drains and chase little children down the streets.  They also get
stuck under my truck while it's in the parking lot.  They've been known to
eat small dogs.

On a more serious note, the local botanist tells me that the tumbleweed
plant, before it gets the wanderlust, is called Russian Thistle, and that
it's not native to this area, maybe to the US in general.  Kind of like the
tamarisk, that lines every drainage that has even a remote connection to
The Colorado River (and I mean the *real* Colorado, in Grande Canyon.  Not
that pitiful-excure-of-a-stream that flows through Austin, TX), except that
the non-native tamarisk stays put once it's planted, even if it dries up
and dies!

Now, what does this have to do with skiing?

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.bicycles,rec.backcountry
From: jason@dsd.es.com (Jason S. Ehrhart)
Subject: Re: yakima vs thule opinions wanted
Keywords: roof racks yakima thule
Reply-To: jason@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans and Sutherland, Salt Lake City, Utah
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:49:40 GMT

I have been using Yakima racks for about 5 years now. The first one
was a gutter roof rack which is use on my Saab 900 and my 240-Z. I
carry, skis, bikes, and windsurfers on that rack and have been
*very* pleased with it. It goes on fast, holds great, doesn't
destroy the car's finish.

I was so impressed, that when I bought my Taurus SHO, I went out and
bought another Yakima. This time, I needed a rack for aircraft style
doors. 

After using it one season for skiing, I am very disappointed with 
this type of rack from Yakima. It doesn't mount correctly and as a
result, springs the doors open, letting the wind and rain (or snow) 
into the car. There are clips which attach to the rack towers, these
clips must fit onto the internal rain gutter to hold the rack onto
the roof and must be an *exact* fit, or the doors are unable to
close completely. Well, when I put these clips into position, the
bottom of the rack tower is suspended over the roof! It doesn't even
touch the roof. Calls to Yakima's 800 help line only proved that
they didn't think this product out very well, I told them what I had
bought. They said I had the correct clips and that I needed to fool
around with it. Well, after fooling around with it for most of this
year, I give up. 

So, my findings for Yakima roof racks are: 

If you have a rain gutter on your car, they're great. 

If you have aircraft style doors on your car, try something else. 

(IMHO) I'd rather take my bikes apart and put them into the trunk, or 
put the skis inside the car than use that aircraft style rack. 

-- 
jason ehrhart jason@dsd.es.com  
evans and sutherland
580 arapeen drive           Perspective, use it or lose it.
salt lake city, ut, 84158   (801) 582-5847 x4812 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: patch@sequent.com (Pat Chewning)
Subject: Re: When do the tumbleweeds come out in western Kansas?
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 14:23:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.144122.41760@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>I live in Lawrence, Kansas (right by Kansas City).  Last winter, I promised
>my roomates that they would see thousands of tumbleweeds on I-70 when we
>drove out to Steamboat Springs.  We did not see one!  This was in early
>January.
>
>Do tumbleweeds have a 'season' when they are around.  Is this 'season' 
>early winter?  I really would like to show my roommates these hoards of
>tumbleweeds on I-70 this winter (in January), but I have a feeling that 
>they won't be there.
>

I was once driving east of Denver on I-70 and the entire interstate was
blocked by a HUGE batch of tumbleweeds.  It took about 1/2 hour for the
snowplows to clear them off.  (There was no snow in sight.)  This was in
June, so that's one data point for your tumbleweed season.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: fineman@markov.arc.nasa.gov (Charles Fineman)
Subject: Re: How do I wax my skis?
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:14:36 GMT


Glen is: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) 
Thompson is: thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:


Thompson> I couldn't find any blacks leading to the base lift at Steamboat.  

Glen> :-) That's 'cause there *aren't* any blacks anywhere at Steamboat! Nice
Glen> intermediate area though...

I was steamboat this past season and I was told that they were going
to open a new mountain in the vacinity that had mostly black and blue
runs (suposedly, more black than blue.) Is this just a town pipedream
or are they really working on this?

	Chuck


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From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:29:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Discount lift tickets in Colorado
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> Huh?  There are lots of GoldC coupons for both (at least in the 91-92 book).
> I never paid full price at Vail last year.

That won't do any good to out of state skiers if they don't buy a
GoldC book ahead of time...

> Vail also ran semi-weekly $10-12 off coupons in the denver post 
> during most of the seas

What is a semi-weekly coupon ?

> Vail sucks.  Ski the Summit.

Naw. The summit never has any snow. Ski Vail :-)

bruno.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: zmueller@utkvx1.utk.edu (Wilhelm Mueller)
Subject: Re: To Snowboard Near Charlotte
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:28:00 GMT

In article <28394@goofy.Apple.COM>, blukie@msgate.corp.apple.com (Alan Samuel) writes...
>I'll be relocating to Charlotte and I'm wondering about winter sports in the
>south.   Where is the closest place for skiing and board'n???  

Unfortunately, you are not going to be too pleased.  The only thing in North
Carolina, and I think the South for that matter, the rates as high as very poor
to fairly poor are a small batch of ski areas near Boone NC (about 3-4 hours 
from Charlotte).  The two biggest in that area are Ski Beech Mtn and Ski Sugar 
Mtn.  I am not sure if they allow Snowboarding or not (when I was there a couple
years ago, they did not).  All the snow is man-made, and they are nearly always
packed ski to ski (typically 20 minute lift lines, and 5 minutes down the slope
if you stop to have a picnic first (that is if it isn't raining)).

The next best area would be Snowshoe WVa (about 8 hours from Charlotte).  It is
quite a bit bigger than NC ski areas (though still only a far cry from Western
standards), and I know they allow Snowboarders.  You can get information on
them by calling 1-800-CALL-WVA.

Sorry to be a downer, but I didn't want you to get your hopes up.  I've been in
this skiing hell-hole for much too long and I want out!

	---Wilhelm Mueller (ZMUELLER@utkvx.utk.edu)
	   University of Tennessee, Knoxville
From: thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: When do the packages come out
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:19:04 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Jul26.175644.28965@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, shieh@austin.ibm.com writes:
> 
> When is the beginning of the "official"
> ski season?  What I mean is that I've been
> waiting for the brochures from all the resorts
> covering their packages.  August?  September?
> -- 
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Sunchase tours said they would have their packages out in mid
August.  

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From: thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: How do I wax my skis?
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:13:45 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1340280@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:
> In rec.skiing, thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> 
>> I couldn't find any blacks leading to the base lift at Steamboat.  
> 
>  :-) That's 'cause there *aren't* any blacks anywhere at Steamboat! Nice
>  intermediate area though...

What about Rolex?

> 
>> is this rec.skiing.nazis or what?
> 
>  No, actually it's rec.skiing.summer.northern.hemisphere.we're.all.looney.

Agreed.  How about rec.skiing.salivating.for.snow.

> 
>  ..glen
> 
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From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.bicycles,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: yakima vs thule opinions wanted
Keywords: roof racks yakima thule
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:36:35 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Jul28.214940.14891@dsd.es.com> jason@dsd.es.com writes:
>
>I was so impressed, that when I bought my Taurus SHO, I went out and
>bought another Yakima. This time, I needed a rack for aircraft style
>doors. 

Right, just like on our Subaru Legacy ...

>   ....           Well, when I put these clips into position, the
>bottom of the rack tower is suspended over the roof! It doesn't even
>touch the roof.    .... 

This sounds real familiar.  I had exactly this same problem at first, 
and it took a visit to the shop (yes, a ski shop -- but they do a lot 
more business on hiking and bikes!) to sort it out.  The way it has to 
be done is obvious in retrospect but not at all what one might guess 
from the directions.  Now you are going to ask me what the secret is 
and ... I'll be damned if I can remember what I did wrong and fixed.

I think it is that part of the clip actually goes inside the door 
opening, compressing the gasket, so the glass of the door closes 
against it.  This is a source of some noise, but never any leaks.  

(E-mail me, and I will go out in the garage and refresh my memory.)

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: Re: How do I wax my skis?
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:01:29 GMT

In article <hynm-0h@lynx.unm.edu> pams@triton.unm.edu (Roost) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.202725.41961@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>
>>Christ, is this rec.skiing.nazis or what?
>>
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>>|  Charles A. Thompson               |  thompson@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu         |
>>|  CS Student, University of Kansas  |  thompson@ukanvax.cc.ukans.edu        |
>>|  and _avid_ SkiBum.                |  OS/2 2.0 is for YOU!!!               |
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  I think that the people of this group would tend to be much kinder to you
>if you removed this from you sig!   No flames intended here BUT...  your
>questions do not tend to reflect the knowledge of an _avid_ SkiBum.

Hey, he can call himself anything he wants.  It's the OS/2 comment
that makes me want to abuse him!

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)



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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dsphw@bcrka427.bnr.ca (Rick Radko)
Subject: Re: How do I wax my skis?
Organization: Sometimes
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:47:12 GMT

In article <Bs5tyH.HyC@solbourne.com>, gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew
Gerber) writes:
> In article <hynm-0h@lynx.unm.edu> pams@triton.unm.edu (Roost) writes:
> >In article <1992Jul28.202725.41961@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> >>
> >>Christ, is this rec.skiing.nazis or what?
> >>
>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>|  Charles A. Thompson               |  thompson@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu
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> >>|  CS Student, University of Kansas  | 
thompson@ukanvax.cc.ukans.edu        |
> >>|  and _avid_ SkiBum.                |  OS/2 2.0 is for YOU!!!      
        |
> >        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >  I think that the people of this group would tend to be much kinder to you
> >if you removed this from you sig!   No flames intended here BUT...  your
> >questions do not tend to reflect the knowledge of an _avid_ SkiBum.
> 
> Hey, he can call himself anything he wants.  It's the OS/2 comment
> that makes me want to abuse him!                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
> 
> 

I agree completely, but that's a subject for another news group!!!

Rick
From: hudgens@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: How do I wax my skis?
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:16:11 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, corich_a@med.wcc.govt.nz wrote:
>In article <1992Jul20.143703.41759@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>I have some old K2 skis (195 cm).  I am tired of everybody and their mother
>>coasting past me on semi-flat slopes.  It seems that my skis aren't as 
>>slick as newer ones.  This may be because no maintenance has been performed
>>on my skis since 1981.  

>>Could anyone give me some advice on how to wax my skis, or if that's what
>>I need to do?  Also, is there anything else I should do before I go skiing 
>>on skis that have not had anything done to them since 1981?
>>

>Bite the bullet and take your skis to a service shop. Apart from anything else
>they will definitely need the edges sharpened and the bases probably need some
>serious attention... ie a Crystal glide... the money will be well spent it will

Good advice. But many or maybe all shops will refuse to work on skis as old as
these because the bindings are no longer indemnified by the manufacturer. 
At the minimum expect to sign waivers acknowledging that the bindings are
probably shot (whether they are or not).

Actually, if you haven't at least serviced the bindings in 12 years, I'd
worry more about my knees than sliding a little faster down the mountain.
You might be able to pick up a decent modern pair of skis and bindings for
somewhat more than the cost of Crystal Glide finish + base repairs. Look
for a ski swap.  Of course, these may be rare in Kansas...

Jeff Hudgens
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: I'M BACK AND I'M SMILING
Reply-To: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:39:32 GMT

I used to post frequently (almost daily) on this board, and I have been
absent for two months now...I bet you all have missed me alot (NOT)! Well
I am back now! I stopped posting in mid May when school got out, and I went
home (to VT) for the summer. When I got back home (near Killington) I found
that not only were they opened still, but Superstar had up to 20 feet of
snow on it with  

			AVERAGE SNOW DEPTH OF 12 to 15 FEET on May 15th

I skied several times during the second half of May and I must say that 
I have never seen anything quite as amazing in my life!

			June first was free(as always) and I hesitantly
brought up my good skis only to find that they still had top to bottom
skiing with 

			ABSOLUTELY NO WALKING!!!!!!!!
I never took my skis off all day, and I also never hit a bare spot, or
a single rock all day!
Skiing was still descent on June 7th although there was walking at the 
very bottom, and in the lift lines.


			I SKIED ON JUNE 16th (My birthday)
They closed on June 14th but a friend and I got in our last turns after 
we hiked up two days later. There was alot of walking, but in places
there was still some good skiing to be found for die-hard skiiers!!!!!

			ALTHOUGH I WAS NOT THERE I HEARD FROM MORE
			THAN ONE RELIABLE SOURCE THAT THEY MADE 
			SNOW AND RE-OPENED THE LIFTS FOR THE DAY
			ON  J-U-L-Y 1st !!!!!  
I even heard local radio interviews with people who had been skiing that
day! unfortunately I did not know about this until July 2nd, so I did not
get to ski Vermont in July! I Can at least say now that the only month
that people cannot ski at Killington is August. 2 years ago a friend of
mine skied Killington on Sept.16th!

Well I gotta go now but I think I have gotten my point across. I was skiing 
while you were mowing your lawns! Cya

								Todd S.
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From: ajawanda@provx35.intel.com (Amarbir Jawanda ~)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.bicycles,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: yakima vs thule opinions wanted
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:52:39 GMT
Reply-To: ajawanda@provx35.UUCP (Amarbir Jawanda ~)
Organization: Microprocessor Component Group, Intel Corp., Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Jul22.191921.19082@infonode.ingr.com> dlb@dazixco.ingr.com writes:
>I'd appreciate opinions of pros & cons on Yakima vs Thule racks
>for skis & bikes.  
>
>I recall a short thread about this a few months ago... did anyone
>save it?
>
>thanks in advance.
>
>
>Dave Buehmann               Voice:    (303) 581-2318
>Dazix - Intergraph          Fax:      (303) 581-9972
>5101 Spine Road             Internet: dlb@dazixco.ingr.com
>Boulder, CO  80301          UUCP:     ...uunet!ingr!dazixco!dlb


I once asked the same question of the net, and got many responses, and
some useful information.

Everyone agrees that they are both excellent products(including
salepeople who sell one and not the other!), but there are differences:

1.  The Yakima bars are stronger, i.e. it takes more weight before they
    will bend.

2.  The Yakima have a somewhat higher *retail* price, actual price may
    vary.

3.  The Thule racks have more "customized" mounting brackets.  I bought
    a Thule because they have a bracket exclusively for late model
    Volkswagens, and none of the Yakima fit quite right.  This only
    matters if your car is difficult to fit.  I made the guy let me take
    both out to the car and try them on, not a bad idea if there's any
    doubt.

One has a better locking mechanism than the other, but I can't remember
what the difference was, or which is better, you might want to check it
out.

That's about all I have.
Good luck!
AJ

ajawanda@prochp.intel.com
DOD# 590

From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:01:33 GMT
Subject: Re: How do I wax my skis?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA