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From: leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Leslie Bishko)
Subject: Re: WW
Organization: Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:03:30 GMT

I'm 4 pounds from goal!
Don't get excited, I've been here all summer.

When I lost one of my part time jobs last spring, I decided that WW
meetings was on the list of unaffordable luxuries, however, I wasn't ready
to quit.  So, I became a RECEPTIONIST!  Pay is quite minimal, but it covers
the cost of meetings.  Plus, I get a double dose of each meeting, as I'm
required to weigh in and attend separately from the meeting I work.  

At the location I'm working, we also do the weighing in.  It has been quite a
comfort to see the progress of others and know that we all struggle.  I've
weighed in folks who are going up and down for 6 months without losing, and
they're still coming.  Plus, I have to face all the disappointment and be
encouraging!

Now about these 4 pounds and MY OWN attitude...I've realized I can't focus my
life around losing these 4 pounds, (plus the additional 5 I'd like to lose
afterwards) - there's too much other stuff.  I get pretty bored with the
program planner.  I drink my water, and excercise 5 out of 7 days but not
always aerobically.  I have big trouble keeping track of the optional
calories.  I know my strengths and weaknesses with the program, and I've
decided to persist until I get to goal.  I REALLY DO want the reward for
all the mental energy I've put into eating a new way!

Two hints - when I really need to buckle down, I get religious with the
program planner and ride the excercise bike 3 times a week for 20 minuts.
These two things combined seem to work.

Good luck to all!
 - Leslie

-- 
Leslie Bishko
leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: ospahic@ddsw1.mcs.com (Olga Spahic)
Subject: Re: Motivation
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:49:20 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

>
>I FEEL GOOD ABOUT MYSELF!!
>
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Sorry to delete the WW success story...


I just wanted to stress that the key to motivation and 'diets'
is 'feeling good about yourself'!  I'm sure all of you are well
aware of this... but sometimes it slips the mind... and then so
does the diet.

So... try to think of yourselves in a positive light, feel good,
and... things will work out.

Good luck to all!



Olga


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: holidays
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 09:08:38 EDT

In article <1992Oct13.014357.23152@m.cs.uiuc.edu> watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:
>npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
>
>>> I think this is a good way to look at things.  I mean, I think
>>> the only reason people lose weight from low fat diets is that
>>> they're cut calories in general.  If they wind up with as many
>>> calories by substituting other foods, they still won't lose.    
>>> That's why I don't feel like cutting fats will work for me,
>>> I seem to make up for it!  And that's why WW does work becuase
>>> its mostly about portion control...
>
>>I always feel like I'm starving myself when I eat a "normal-fat/low-
>>calorie" diet.  I just don't get as much to eat and I don't feel full.
>>I don't believe I could've maintained as well as I have (which is
>>only so-so) if I had been eating a normal-fat diet.
>
>I have to second Nancy's opinion.
>
>In "The California Diet" (a sensible book, but don't believe
>the late night television advertising for packaged food based
>on the book) Brooks cites evidence that there is a correlation
>between eating LESS and being overweight. The reason is that
>most active people are not overweight, but require more calories
>because of their active lifestyle.
>
>So, Brooks recommends low-fat, HIGHER calorie diet, combined
>with exercise, in order to lose weight.
>
>-Larry Watanabe

I think what I said was taken out of context...  But then I'm not
sure what a "normal-fat/low-calorie" diet means to others.  What
I was saying is that if I told myself that I could eat all I wanted
of foods with less than x% of the calories from fat, where x
is < 30,  I would still
gain weight.  I have to control the total calories to lose.

Now I'm not sure about what Larry cites...  I realize now that
my calorie intake was probably pretty high before going to WW
but I never would have thought it was before I cut back!  So I
think that people often underestimate their colorie intake.

Margot


--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust can last? "
                                         - David Crosby
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: holidays
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:21:28 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct7.134236.12436@chpc.utexas.edu> jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) writes:
>how likely is it that excess calories in simple sugars will be stored
>as fat?  Or can I eat as much as I want of something (I realize fudge
>is a poor example here, but you get my point) as long as it's not fat?

In the T-Factor Diet book, Martin Katahn discusses a study where participants
needed to be overfed by a thousand calories or so (of carbos) before the
excess carbos where converted to fat.

However, these were normal weight subjects.  It is likely (and in fact, this
is the basis of Covert Bailey's book) that fat, non-fit people convert pretty
much every excess calorie to fat.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: janet@cs.UAlberta.CA (Janet Service)
Subject: cookies
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:53:39 GMT

After reading the post from the "Cookie monster" I looked in a
cook book I had at home and found the following:

Chocolate Chip Cookies
(Grated flecks of chocolate replace the traditional
chocolate chips)

1 cup sifted all-purpose flour
1/4 cup unsifted whole wheat flour
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
1/4 cup unsalted margarine
1/4 cup granulated sugar
1/4 cup firmly packed light brown sugar
1 large egg
1 large egg white
3 teaspoons vanilla extract
1 square (1 oz)semisweet chocolate, (grated fine)

1. Preheat oven to 375 F. In a small bowl, combine all the
all-purpose flour, whole wheat flour, and baking soda, set aside.

2. In the large bowl of an electric mixer, beat the margarine,
granulated sugar, and brown sugar at moderately low speed for 
2 minutes (smooth and creamy), beat in the egg, egg white and 
vanilla extract.

3. Using a wooden spoon, mix in the dry ingredients and the
grated chocolate.

4. Drop the dough by rounded teaspoonfuls onto ungreased baking
sheets, spacing the cookies about 2 inches apart.  Bake for 
8 - 10 minutes or until lightly browned around the edges.  Remove
immediately to wire racks to cool.  Makes about 36 cookes.

Prep time: 10 mins
Baking: 8 - 10 mins

One cookie equals:

Calories    45
Total Fat   2 g
Saturated Fat   0
Cholesterol   0
Protien   0
Carbohydrates  4 g
Sodium   3 mg
Added sugar  10 cal
Fiber   0

Enjoy!
From: SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Please Help
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:14:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
>Message-ID: <41340002@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com>
>
>
>              Please answer these 9 questions and return.
>
>1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good
>idea?
>
>2.) Are you pro choice?
>
>3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
>
>4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their
>parental rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
>
>5.)  What sex are you?
>
>6.) How old are you?
>
>7.) What religion are you?
>
>8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
>
>9.) How many years of education have you completed?
>
 
Please tell us why you're asking.  What will you do with this
information?
Thanks,
TAMARA
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: dfw@thumper..bellcore.com (Doris Woods)
Subject: Re: WW with Steve
Summary:  Another me too!!
Reply-To: dfw@thumper.UUCP (Doris Woods)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:35:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.134508.13481@news2.cis.umn.edu> jill@gopher.ccbr.umn.edu (Jill Hollifield) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.071727.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> dwhitney@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>>--Sorry to add this to the net but my email bounced!  Steve, I'm really
>>interested in your proposal for email WW.  Can you give more info about
>>what/how you plan to do it?
>>
>>You can send to my email address noted below.
>> 
>>Deb
>>dwhitney@hamp.hampshire.edu
>>
>
>Please add me to the e-mail info list as well . . .
>
>Jill
>
>

 Another me too msge.

 Doris
 dfw@thumper.bellcore.com
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: holidays
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:53:57 GMT
Organization: Titan Linkabit
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

There IS fat in cocoa.  The last can of Hersey's 100% cocoa I bought 
said it has 3 grams per serving.  I think that was 1/4 cup.  It's not all
that much, but it isn't fat free.

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
From: rberteig@cco.caltech.edu (Ross Berteig)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: holidays
Date: 8 Oct 1992 00:54:45 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

Hi everyone!

In reference to using prunes as a fat substitute in baking, my local
grocery store is now carrying a product labelled as a fat substitute
for use in baking.  I thought it looked rather gross, but I read the
label and it contains mostly prunes!  I wonder how big of a seller
this will be?  I think using applesauce seems more appetizing choice
at least for me. (that stuff in the jar looked pretty wierd!)

I'm the one that posted awhile ago with questions about going on a
fast-type diet.  Anyway, I decided to do it, and I've lost 20 lbs.
the first month!  However, now my motiviation is starting to waver.
Any words of advice?

Thanks.

--Michelle Berteig
 rberteig@alumni.caltech.edu (I use my husband's account)
From: busuioc@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anca I. Busuioc)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Motivation...
Summary: just for laughs
Keywords: dave barry fav diet books
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:18:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

i pinched this from alt.fan.dave_barry:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
From ub!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!nic.umass.edu!hamp.hampshire.edu!
dwhitney Wed Oct  7 10:14:27 EDT 1992

My Dave Daily Calendar makes getting up in the morning less painful.
Since I am trying to diet this one was particularly funny - for
me at least:

"The only way to lose weight is to get yourself on, and then stick to, a
regular, planned, conscientious program of purchasing newly published
diet books.  Here are some I especially recommend: The Handsome Sincere
Random Doctor Medical Diet, The Elvis Presley Memorial Diet, Shed Unwanted
Ounces the Orson Welles Way, The Dead Preppy Cat Microcomputer Diet Book,
The Amazing Mother Teresa Weight Loss Plan."


dwhitney@hamp.hampshire.edu
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: holidays
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:01:41 GMT

In article <Bw6F7p.FqB@dale.cts.com> npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
> (mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu) wrote:

>I misunderstood what you said.  Yes, I agree with you.  I still
>have to watch my total calories.  If I eat a VLFD and still eat
>a lot of sugary things (like fat-free Enteman's) I'll gain weight.
>
It sounds like several of us have shared the Entenman's problem!

I found that I just cannot purchase the stuff because I will consume
the whole thing in a matter of hours! I was having lunch with a friend
and found out that this is pretty typical of their sweets, many people
find them completely addictive!

The stuff is great but it is basically sugar on sugar with sugar,
which spells trouble for me!

rf
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@puma.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: holidays
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 10:34:13 EDT

In article <1992Oct7.111220.1@vax.sonoma.edu> abel@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.134236.12436@chpc.utexas.edu>, jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct6.133514.27633@newstand.syr.edu>, mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu () writes:
>> |> 
>
>> skim milk worked just as well), and the nuts are optional.  Which brings
>> me to that same old question that I never really have gotten a good answer
>> to:  how likely is it that excess calories in simple sugars will be stored
>> as fat?  Or can I eat as much as I want of something (I realize fudge
>> is a poor example here, but you get my point) as long as it's not fat?
>
>100% of the excess calories will be stored as fat 100% of the time.  
>When I was younger, the dieting emphasis was on sweets.  Granted, 
>some sweets have a lot of calories, but sometimes it is due to the 
>fat content.  Nowadays, the emphasis is on cutting back your fat 
>consumption.  This makes sense, since fat has many more calories than 
>sugar.  However, calories are calories, and the excess will be stored 

I think this is a good way to look at things.  I mean, I think
the only reason people lose weight from low fat diets is that
they're cut calories in general.  If they wind up with as many
calories by substituting other foods, they still won't lose.    
That's why I don't feel like cutting fats will work for me,
I seem to make up for it!  And that's why WW does work becuase
its mostly about portion control...

>as fat, whether they come from fat, protein, starch or sugar.  Eating 
>even one teaspoon of sugar per day will add up to several pounds of 
>fat over a year (sugar is 17 calories per teaspoon).

But back to the original "holiday" theme of this posting,
I don't want to make low-fat/calorie versions of my 
Christmas cookies.  I want the traditional cookies!  I
think if I'm gonna make 'em I just have to limit my
indulgence.  And probably the best way for me to do that
is by allowing myself one day where I can eat pretty much
what I want becuase I really feel like I can't just have
one.  (And even one can make a pretty big dent in allowences
for a day...  is it worth it?)  I think one day of overindulgence
will do less damage than several days of slight overindulgence.
This is just a feeling and I have *no* evidence that
its true.  Any ideas on this?  I mean, would weight gain
be different if one ate 2000 extra calories in one day
or 200 extra calories a day for 10 days?  (Actually, I
think my personal fear is that its either 2000 extra 
calories one day or 1000 extra calories for each day
of overindulgence since I feel like I'll go nuts
around these cookies.  Of course that's totally
different that the above scenerio...)

Margot

--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust can last? "
                                         - David Crosby
From: dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Aerobics
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:45:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

Can anyone tell me how many calories are burned for an hour
of some what strenuous, low-impact aerobics?  Also, how many 
calories are burned for horseback riding, biking and hiking?

Thanks,
Marian
From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: holidays
Date: 7 Oct 1992 18:43:21 -0700
Organization: Knapp & Viola, Attys., San Mateo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gw.home.vix.com

In a recent missive rberteig@cco.caltech.edu (Ross Berteig) tells us:
*
*In reference to using prunes as a fat substitute in baking, my local
*grocery store is now carrying a product labelled as a fat substitute
*for use in baking.  I thought it looked rather gross, but I read the
*label and it contains mostly prunes!  I wonder how big of a seller
*this will be?  I think using applesauce seems more appetizing choice
*at least for me. (that stuff in the jar looked pretty wierd!)

Michelle..what was that product called?  Do you know who made it?  Can
you find out for us? :-)

-- 
   LOOKING FOR:  David Widdicombe, Hobson Woodward, Lorna Taylor & JJ Lancey
I am: Anne Mitchell, mom, & founder of the Fathers' Rights & Equality Exchange
Ask me about FREE!  FREE files available via anonymous ftp 128.45.1.1; dir /pub
	        	   CAPUT TUUM IN ANO EST
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:46:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: holidays
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:43:57 GMT

npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:

>> I think this is a good way to look at things.  I mean, I think
>> the only reason people lose weight from low fat diets is that
>> they're cut calories in general.  If they wind up with as many
>> calories by substituting other foods, they still won't lose.    
>> That's why I don't feel like cutting fats will work for me,
>> I seem to make up for it!  And that's why WW does work becuase
>> its mostly about portion control...

>I always feel like I'm starving myself when I eat a "normal-fat/low-
>calorie" diet.  I just don't get as much to eat and I don't feel full.
>I don't believe I could've maintained as well as I have (which is
>only so-so) if I had been eating a normal-fat diet.

I have to second Nancy's opinion.

In "The California Diet" (a sensible book, but don't believe
the late night television advertising for packaged food based
on the book) Brooks cites evidence that there is a correlation
between eating LESS and being overweight. The reason is that
most active people are not overweight, but require more calories
because of their active lifestyle.

So, Brooks recommends low-fat, HIGHER calorie diet, combined
with exercise, in order to lose weight.

-Larry Watanabe
From: dianeg@bcm.tmc.edu (Diane Ellen Griffiths)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: WW
Date: 8 Oct 1992 16:41:30 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu
Summary: Stick with it!

Margot I know what you are going through and the decision whether or not
to go to the WW meetings is entirely yours. I went through a period of
time where I didn't want to spend the (at that time I was an $8.00 member)
money every week and thought I could finish the last 15 pounds on my own.
I stayed around the same weight for a year and gained about 15 of the 30
pounds back. One of the other reasons I stopped going is the leader I
liked left WW for a while and I did not like the new leader. I rejoined
about a year ago and have lost 20 pounds again and now I am 10 pounds away
from goal. The last 10 pounds seemed to take FOREVER to lose. The closer
you get the harder it seems. The last 10 pounds took me 9 months to lose.
When I rejoined I found the old leader I had again and it really motivated
me to stick with it. I also have a new look on it now. I REALLY want to
get to goal weight and become a lifetime member because I know if I can do
that it will motivate me to keep the weight off forever. In my mind right
now it is worth it to me to pay $10.00 a week to know I will not gain any
of this weight back. (It felt sooo good to get into a size 10 for the
first time I can remember last weekend!). Luckily my husband agrees with
this and tells me I am already skinny!

I hope you can stick with it on your own and that you get to your personal
goal weight soon!

Diane
From: geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: WW
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:25:08 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Oct5.144321.6846@newstand.syr.edu>, mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
> I'm
> still going to Weigh Watchers and have lost 68.5 lbs since
> January.  I'm 11.5 pounds from my goal.
 
Margot, this is absolutely great! I hope you're patting yourself on the back
constantly!

> The problem with
> the slow loss is that its costing me $10 a week to get weighed
> in (I haven't attended a meeting in months).  I'd really
> like to become a life time member but I'm afraid it will
> take me another 3 months to reach goal and then I need to
> be there (I plan on going lower) for 6 more weeks to get
> my lifetime membership.  This could cost me another $200.  I'm
> wondering two things:  If I stop going, will it be harder
> for me to stay on it?  

About 3 weeks ago, my WW partner and I stopped going to WW. We live in a rural
area, and don't have many meeting choices, and couldn't take the inefficiency
of ours anymore. We decided to try it ourselves for a month, and go back if
we had to. So far...the first week we both gained a pound, and have taken off
weight last week and this week also. I think *your* motivation is the biggest
factor in whether you continue to lose or not. Certainly, we wouldn't be at
the point where we could do this without the training we had at WW. My
suggestion if you decide to save some money (although I agree with the poster
that said you're worth it!): take 2 weeks off from WW and see how you do. If
weighing in yourself has the same effect, go for it. It would be nice, we
thought, to be able to see the .25# on your own scale, but we've been happy
with seeing 1# loss, even if it really was 1.25#. After 2 weeks, either return
or don't, with the possibility of returning later when you're almost finished
losing the weight.

>And, is it worth getting your lifetime
> membership?  

I can't say anything about experience here except that reaching goals is very
empowering. When I returned to college for a second degree, I was innumerate.
I just graduated in Computer Science, with a minor in Math, and I can't tell
you how much that minor means to me. It makes me feel good about myself every
time I think about it. Would lifetime membership do the same for you?

Let us know what you do!

Patricia

-- 
P.K.
Geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: holidays
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:57:34 GMT
Organization: Titan Linkabit
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

> I think this is a good way to look at things.  I mean, I think
> the only reason people lose weight from low fat diets is that
> they're cut calories in general.  If they wind up with as many
> calories by substituting other foods, they still won't lose.    
> That's why I don't feel like cutting fats will work for me,
> I seem to make up for it!  And that's why WW does work becuase
> its mostly about portion control...

I always feel like I'm starving myself when I eat a "normal-fat/low-
calorie" diet.  I just don't get as much to eat and I don't feel full.
I don't believe I could've maintained as well as I have (which is
only so-so) if I had been eating a normal-fat diet.

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
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