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From: ballerup@diku.dk (Per Goetterup)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Black Holes of Cinema
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:24:38 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

spongebo@cithara.login.qc.ca (THE EYE-BALL KID) writes:

>mgrimes@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Grimes) writes:

[...]

>>   Any more nominees......?

>Tim Burton
>Rene Harlan
>Dino De Laurentis
>Paul Verhoden (sp?)
>Linda Hamilton
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 No way!!! - She was great in "Terminator 2" !!!!!


>Spongebo - THE EYE-BALL KID (:::::-)

>spongebo@cithara.login.qc.ca
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Subject: Re: Most Overrated Actor/Actress
From: whan@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:09:22 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Dec21.092311.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

> Here here! someone willing to come out and say that if you've seen one
> Streep movie, you've seen them all. There's more to acting than accents and 
> I think she puts the same emotion in every script. I think great 
> actors are completely different in each movie. You find yourself wondering 
> if it was indeed the same person. I always know I'm watching Streep 
> and I feel like I'm watching someone act.

I wouldn't consider myself a Meryl Streep fan but I though she was perfect in
Defending Your Life.  And while I'm on the subject, Albert Brooks has got to be
one of the funniest peopel in films; he reminds me of some of Woody Allen's
older comedys.  I've seen him in Taxi Driver, Defending you Life, Broadcast
News, and Lost in America.  Even in Taxi Driver he was funny.  Albert Brooks is
definately an underated actor/writer/director.

Winfield Han
WHAN@eagle.wesleyan.edu
From: hammond@css.itd.umich.edu (Steve Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Character names in The List
Followup-To: poster
Date: 22 Dec 1992 05:26:56 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
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I have been working on some support scripts to add Character information
to the actor and actress list scripts.  If you could send me some more 
character information, I will post the list and support scripts january 
or february, and continue to maintain this list.

Please send the information to hammond@css.itd.umich.edu in the form of:
Name|Movie|Character
 e.g.
Ryder, Winnona|Heathers|Veronica Sawyer
Keaton, Michael|Beetlejuice|Beetleguise

Thanx
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Steve Hammond                                               hammond@umich.edu
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   Careful with that.
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: TOP TEN MOVIES, as of 23 December 1993
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:19:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <37150024@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, danielw@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Daniel
Wink) wrote:
> 
> 
> >> DRACULA is off the list.
> 
> Is Dracula being considered a success? How much has
> it made to date? How much is it expected to make?
> How much did it cost to make? How much does it
> need to make to break even? Where do babies come from?

Dracula stands around a 90 million gross and cost 40 million to
make.  Which means the domestic release has broken even.  Studios
are reporting overseas revenues run about 45% of their total 
take, now.  If that holds, another 90 million should be generated
by releases overseas.

Malcom X, on the other hand grossed forty million.  Halve that for
return to the studio.  Subtract another ten for promotional 
expenses.  The movie's twenty million in the hole.  And while
Dracula is a story that will sell overseas, do Europeans and
Japanese really care to sit for 3 and a half hours on the life of
a radical American black activist?  I doubt it.

One might call the film a "White Elephant" if one were a particularly
masochistic pundit.
From: molly@coos.dartmouth.edu (Revolver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Cook...Lover/women's response
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:17:43 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:

>In article <1992Dec27.060611.25351@netcom.com> estrayer@netcom.com (Eric Strayer) writes:
>>*** Specifically I want to know if women find the 
>>film particularly offensive to women, and if they 
>>consider this to be a normal or expected reaction. 
>>From the men, I don't have any specific questions 
>>but comments pertaining to the questions I pose to 
>>the women will still be appreciated.***


This, of all Peter Greenaway's movies, is one of my very favorites.  The
language used recently to describe "Dracula" [opulent, rococo, lush,
extravagant] is, i think, more aptly used to describe this movie.

Its undercurrent of commentary on the extraordinarily stratified and
_accepted_ brutality performed daily in the name of gentility and class
preservation was skilful and subtle, and, IMHO, often overlooked in the
brouhaha about the violent and disturbing elements of the movie.

To be sure, i don't entirely understand your wife's response.  As a
woman, I was actually quite pleased with the Wife's character,
especially with the very end, which i thought was enormously, though
blackly, funny.  I didn't find anything especially male-oriented about
the movie, and if anything, it portrays men none too kindly, with the
Thief's brutality, and his henchmen's all-too-eager willingness to go
along with and enjoy it just to stay in his good graces.  [and, perhaps,
discovering their own long-denied love for such horrors.]

Yes, it is a deeply disturbing movie.  Yes, there are many things that
are repellent, and I will be the first to say that the movie is not for
everyone.  But for the imagery, the cinematography, the depth of the
characters, and the skill of the satire, i number it among my favorites,
and have since first viewing.

As a side note, I saw it the same afternoon that I was dragged to see
"Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" - surely a far more wrenching jolt to the
senses than any Mr. Greenaway could dream up.

 - M
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From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Underrated Actor: Alan Rickman
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:40:06 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <1992Dec31.040557.27861@psych.toronto.edu> anna@psych.toronto.edu (Anna Filippone) writes:

>Has he been in other films?  

His most visible role before the Sheriff was as 'Hans' the greedy
ex-communist bad guy in _Die_Hard_.

He was a bad guy you love to hate then too.

-Geoff
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From: gritter@cs.purdue.edu (Carl Gritter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: (Unsolicited) advice against Blockbuster
Date: 21 Dec 1992 12:40:25 -0500
Organization: Purdue University Department of Computer Sciences
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In article <1992Dec21.005238.20089@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, syd@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dennis P Hilgenberg) writes:
|> 4.  Refusal to carry unrated movies, causing a good deal of,
|>     for example, foreign films not to be represented.  Also,
|>     selective censorship (e.g. no "Last Temptation of Christ").
|>     I don't recall whether or not they stock NC-17 films.

I believe you have this backwards.  There is only one Blockbuster in West
Lafayette and they do NOT carry NC-17 movies but they DO carry unrated
movies.  If I'm not mistaken this is consistent with the policy in most
other Blockbuster stores across the country.

I believe Blockbuster doesn't carry NC-17 films because of "pressure" by
conservatives to get rid of "pornographic" films.  Ironically if these
people had actually done their homework they would have lobbied against
the unrated films rather than the NC-17 films.  What they've done is
succeeded in banning the more artistic explicit films while keeping the
films which exploit sex and violence (this is in general, I'm sure you could
find contradictions to this statement).  Thus "Henry & June" is banned but
"Takin if Off" is still on the shelf.

Also, NC-17 is a rating that few movies get so the effect of banning NC-17
movies was minimal.  Normally movies that would be rated NC-17 trim down to
an R rating for movie release and then release the full or possibly even more
explicit unrated version in video).

Carl
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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most Underrated Actor/Actress
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:37:36 GMT
Organization: HMS

This is a joke,right? Why do you term someone underrated if their acting
skills are equivalent of a 2 by 4?

So she landed in "Green Card" opposite the Big Gerard thanks to the big
hoopla surrounding "Sex,Lies,and Video" where all she did was say a few meaningless
lines in a very unemotional manner. Big Woop! Gerard was silly enough
to be convinced($$$) by some Hollywood marketing lawyer type that in 'Green
Card" he'd be acting with a new 'hot,fresh-face' American 'talent' and
it'd be a good way for him to reach and make some money of the general
American movie-going public who doesn't normally see 'foreign films'.
When Gerard finally got to the set of "Green Card" he saw what he was
up against....In some scenes,it certainly looked like he was so pissed
at McDowell for being such a talentless,unwaterred plant that he wasn't
even acting... Geez,she makes Jennifer Grey and Jennifer Beals look
underrated :-)

-Mark
From: danielw@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Daniel Wink)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 09:50:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Citizen Kane question
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies



>>  I watched Citizen Kane yesterday. I was a bit let down by the ending but
>>I suspect that I didn't catch the significance of it all.
>>  What was the thing that they threw in the fire at the end with Rosebud
>>written on it and what was its significance? I was led to believe that the
>>whole mystery would be revealed in the last few moments, so I think this must
>>have been a key to the mystery. Could someone please explain it all to me?

>>              Thanks, David.

        The thing in the fire is (I think) the sled we saw
Kane playing with in the snow when he was a child. This is
referred to when he drops the glass-ball with the snow scene
in; it's as if that's when he remembers being most happy, and
From: sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Suggestions...
Date: 4 Jan 93 03:02:22 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA


Hi all:


I have a taste for good, eccentric movies that create an exciting,
interesting, funny and sometimes disgusting world of their own.
Examples: *Brazil*, *Baghdad Cafe*, *After Hours*, *The Cook, the 
Thief, ...*, etc.  Any other movies of that sort you can think of?
Thanks,

Ahmed B.
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From: indiv35@imsor.dth.dk (Henrik Sahlholt (bfn - 2/93))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most Extreme Aspect Ratio?
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:29:33 GMT
Organization: UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education

In <1i2iukINNdd2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ac717@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffry L. Johnson) writes:


>In a previous article, cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott) says:

>>up: Which U.S. theatrical release holds the record for the most
>>extreme aspect ratio?
>>
>>       Three popular guesses:
>>
>>       -1) 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY
>>       -2) SPARTACUS
>>       -3) THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY
>>
>>       2001 was the most popular, but nobody could rember the
>>exact aspect ratio. We know that SPARTACUS is up there at 2.6:1,
>>and so is THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY.

>None of these. _2001_ and _Spartacus_ should be 2.2:1. _The Good..._
>is standard anamorphic 2.40:1.

>Films shot in Ultra Panavision have a projected aspect ratio of 2.76:1 (from 
>Carr & Hayes). 
>	The Big Fisherman
>	Mutiny On the Bounty
>	It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
>	The Fall of the Roman Empire
>	Battle of the Bulge
>	The Greatest Story Ever Told
>	The Hallelujah Trail

What about "Ben Hur"? I think this was shot in 2.76:1 too (Camera 65 or some-
thing like that).


Henrik Sahlholt
(d01hs@vm2.uni-c.dk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: anna@psych.toronto.edu (Anna Filippone)
Subject: Re: Sick and tired of cries of sexism (was Re: 9 1/2 Weeks)
Organization: P.S.A. (Psychology Student's Association)
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:56:22 GMT

In article <92364.185826U23700@uicvm.uic.edu> <U23700@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>although research has been done that shows that men have a greater
>physiological response to visual stimuli, i don't think that you
>can rule out conditioning as a possible reason for this. as a child,
>i was inculcated with the 'boys are good at math, girls are good at
>verbal things' bias. yet recent research in child development shows
>that boys and girls go through the same developmental phases, but at
>*different* times -- and so, depending on the curriculum, math may
>be easier understood by one group or another depending on the devel-
>opmental stage the groups are in.
>

Okay, here's one place I can throw in solid research evidence (I'll search
for the the authors' names if anyone realllllly wants me too).

There was no significant difference found in the abilities of girls and boys
in math up until the age of 11.  After that point there was an advantage on
the part of boys.  Hell, when you have things like Barbie dolls saying "Math
class is tough" can you wonder how these differences are created?

As well, keep in mind that in all studies of differences between boys and
girls, women and men, the differences are not overwhelming.  Sure, they're
statistically significant, but that doesn't mean there isn't overlap.  
When you look at math or reading or visual-spatial abilities, 95% of the
boys and girls perform at the same level, only 5% of one sex have an 
advantage.  So can we really say that these small differences allow for the  
perpetuation of such well-defined stereotypes?

Anna

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From: 6881300@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: SF Novels that would make Great Films
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:41:45 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

> If you were riding in a Russian sleigh pursued by hungry wolves
> and had to throw out one passenger to lighten your load and your
> only travelling companions were McCaulay Culkin and Wesley
> Crusher, who would you jettison and why?
>
> -- Stewart "I'd chuck *both* of 'em" Tame
>

You should want the wolves to have indigestion, already?

Cordially,
............................................................................
Roy Sette                                       Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.
                                                1111 Lockheed Way, O/82-10
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From: spongebo@cithara.login.qc.ca (THE EYE-BALL KID)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: annoying nuances in films
Date: 23 Dec 92 07:24:55 GMT
Organization: Organ Grinders Monkeys Union With Penguins As Mascots

olnichols@math.umn.edu (Preston Nichols) writes:

> In article <1992Dec18.005309.5170@fid.morgan.com> maus@fid.morgan.com (Malcol
> Austin) writes:
> > In article <1992Dec17.223935.5210@cs.uow.edu.au> stephen@cs.uow.edu.au  
> (Stephen Lance Rogan) writes:
> > [...]
> > >Dont get me wrong, I understand it must be a huge task, but I still think
> > >they must stop and look at a rough of what they are doing accasionally.
> > >
> > 
> > Well, first of all, I doubt they get a "rough" of what they are doing when
> > they are doing it.  Even assuming they see the daily rushes, that won't
> > help much when they are doing their job the previous afternoon.  And it's
> > not like the director is going to order retakes because someone's potato
> > moved on his plate.  I do think they take a lot of Polaroids, though.
> > 
> > [...]
> 
> I have a friend who does freelance lighting for film and video, and he has  
> mentioned something to the effect that everything that is filmed for a movie 
> videotaped at the same time (Beta format is preferred) so that essentially th
> dailies are available immediately.  
> 
> I've never really interrogated him about this.  Does anyone know how universa
> this practice is, or the details about how it is done?
> 
> PN

 The work you're reffering to is CONTINUITY, and it involves recording the
scene by scene details so EVERYONE knows what happened two days ago (most
movies are shot out of sequence).

Each department has their own continuity system: WARDROBE, MAKE-UP, CAMERA,
SOUND -- all try to keep "within" continuity so the clothes, make-up, lighting,
and audio match as closely as possible. Each department keep this in order with
polaroids (primarily), although I have seen the "script-person" handle a video
camera.

in other words it's not ALL left to one person. The ploblem is that this is
never perfect. Read "PREMIERE" MAGAZINE for a list of continuity errors (on a
monthly basis!) in recent Features.

The video-tape is called "video-assist" and is used primarily to let the
director see the shot "in progress". The assist comes off the camera and can be
recorded to any format. If your friend said "beta" he probably means "BETA-SP"
a proffesional format. The video assist CAN be used for continuity, but is
usually there to review "takes". Then the Director can take it home at night
and cut a "video-rough edit" to see if the scene is working the way it should
be.

Sorry, it's BETACAM-SP, but the format could be VHS, 3/4, or even ONE INCH if
you're stupid enough to rent the equiptment. I've only ever seen VHS, but I
predict the next series of video-assists will be Hi-8, either in Camera or by
wire-less feed.

The video-assist is also used by soud-recordists to help in mic. placement, and
to keep a "perspective" on the sound that will match the shot.



[D 

Spongebo - THE EYE-BALL KID (:::::-)

spongebo@cithara.login.qc.ca
From: jkung@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jimmy Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Siskel & Eberts Top 10 of 1992
Date: 1 Jan 1993 15:33:15 -0600
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
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In article <5887@krafla.rhi.hi.is> you write:
[...]
>They both gave it a C+, so it's no wonder they didn't mention it.

Was this in their newspaper review?  We don't get that here..
(Actually, we got it for a few months a few years back, when one
paper dumped their local reviewer.)

C+?  That's pretty ludicrious IMO..

jkung@acs.ucalgary.ca      |  "It's better than bad,it's good!"
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From: leeper@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Mark R. Leeper)
Subject: Re: anybody else remember this film?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 17:59:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.152910@usho21.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
> In article <1992Dec29.200532.6888@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892) writes:
> |> In article <1992Dec29.173304.12651@bellahs.com> jjamison@bellahs.com (John Jamison RD AC) writes:
> |> There was anothe movie whose title I don't remember with Sophia Loren
> |> and Kirk Douglas about a high ranking American Army oficer, Billy Mitchell,
> |> who emigrated to Israel just before Israeli independence.  John Wayne also
> |> made about two brief appearences.
> 
>   It was  CAST A GIANT SHADOW  
> 
>   Frank Sinatra also had a small part in it as a pilot who puts a seltzer
>   bottle to creative use. 
> 
> 
>  TRAVIS

The film that was originally asked for is most likely JUDITH.  Frank
Maloney has already answered that.  I will point out that the Army
officer that fought for Israel was David "Mickey" Marcus.  He was a
WWII hero in the American army.  He was a division commander and
attended the "Big Five" meetings in 1943.  He volunteered for the
D-Day airborne assault and parachuted into Normandy.  He helped to
oversee the military government in Germany after VE-Day.  He got the
Distnguished Service Cross, the Bronze Star, and various British
decorations.

The film covers the post-war period when Marcus was recruited by the
Hagganah and in January, 1948 he smuggled himself into Palestine
where he helped set up military training for the state trying to come
into existence.  On June 11, 1948, during the War of Independence he
made the fatal mistake of forgetting his own password and was killed
by his own troops.

Billy Mitchell enlisted in the Army in WWI, rose to the rank of
Brigadier General and organied the expeditionary army air force.
After the war he became a very outspoken advocate of military air and
strategic bombing power.  It rose to the point that his superiors
considered to be insubordination and he was court martialled in 1925,
found guilty, and eventually resigned from the army.  In WWII, most
of his ideas were adopted.


				Mark Leeper
				...att!mtgzfs3!leeper
				(908)957-5619
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Help: 'BASIC INSTINCT' confusion
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:55:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Dec28.211359.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>
>Sharon Stone's character killed everyone in the movie, and it seems that her
>framing Beth was so good that many viewers still thought Beth was guilty.

Geez,I thought it was quite obvious even with a twisted and unimaginative
script which this movie has.

Let's face it,"Basic Instict" is slick trash without underwear...

-Mark
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