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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: IBM and MAC users, please respond.
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:43:03 GMT


Ok, this is a legitimate question and I mean no offense by it (yet :),
where other people take the thread, however, is not my fault.

How did you MAC and IBM users find this group and why did you decide to
jump in and offer your opinions?  Were you invited?  Did some Amiga user
wind up in a MAC|IBM group and say something deragatory and you felt you
had to retaliate?  Did you seek it out?  :)

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tuesday, 29 Dec 1992 13:23:25 PST
From: <TLCAAC@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Monitors for the A4000???

Good thing you didn't pick up a 4fG. It will not scan @ 15 khz. (horizotal)
                                   JPC
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The 'Screens' debate:
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 26 Dec 92 12:14:03 PST
 <1992Dec24.013559.22135@usl.edu> <1992Dec24.015546.22863@usl.edu> <57999@dime.cs.umass.edu>
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <57999@dime.cs.umass.edu> by barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett):

> prevent the Workbench from getting too crowded.  If you used iconizing
> instead, the *icons* themselves can get blocked by windows, making it

    This kind of problem is magnified when you can't click windows to
    the back, so you have to move, minimize or close the windows that
    are obscuring the icons.

>                                                         Dan
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Dan got the Amiga 1000!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 03:30:08 GMT

In article <Paula_Lieberman.07oo@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>WHY???!!! [sitting with 1200 on my lap and typing on 500.... multitasking
>with a vengeance.]

Yeah, it is not particularly useful, magnified by down being able to
download for it.

With school starting up in a couple of weeks, I might pack it up and
go back to Ultima Underworld and Falcon 3.0.  You heard of those, right?

8)

-- 
Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
 appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
 everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn, comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Organization: University of Helsinki
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Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
> In article <1992Dec29.221215.9229@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
> >In <C01GsK.L4C@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
> >>   I doubt it would uplift me.  Even in Europe there is no CD-ROM or good
> >>productivity software available for the Amiga.
> >
> >A CD-ROM is 'available' where you can buy generic SCSI CD-ROMs.
> 
>    You are the second person to claim that a CD-ROM drive is a piece of
> software.  Doesn't anybody know the difference between hardware and software?

Did you have a tough childhood Marc? Too few toys and a tight cap?
[authors note: cap is not really the correct word, but I don't know
what 'pipo' is in english/finglish :) ].

Both he and I thougt that you said: "There is not CD-ROM-drives for
Amiga". And then we both stated that one can hook CD-ROM's with SCSI
to Amiga. And now you say that we who replied to your absurd message
think that CD-ROM-drives are software.... Are you drunk Marc? Or on drugs?

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From: mike@rahul.net (Mike Smithwick)
Subject: Re: Bill "I Scream for Ice Cream" Gates
Organization: a2i network
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:47:40 GMT

In article <72152@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>>There's a new biography on Gates coming out. The title, as you'd expect,
>>is "Gates." This looks a little more in-depth and fair rather than "Ha
>>ha, look at the geeks" like "Hard Drive" was. There was one picture of
>>Gates that had me on the floor, though. Mucho geeky. One of his old
>>girlfriends wasn't bad, though.
>
>I have the biography of Gates called "Hard Drive", is this a separate
>book?
>
>Anyway, it doesn't take Gates to make Gates look bad.  All you need to
>do is read interviews with him. Make no mistake, the guy is a genius,
>but he's not particularly likable, nor a honorable guy.
>
>TomK@cup.portal.com
>Tom Krotchko

I'm not sure if I want to admit this, but Bill Gates spoke my words?

"Huh?" you are probably all saying as a you pause from playing BLAZEMONGER
in the middle of level 6.02x10-23 as the giant mutant Hillary Clintons
are ready to attack with their Anti-matter chocolate-chip cookies.
(BTW, put on your mink glove, stroke her neck and she will faint
at your feet for 29 nano-seconds while you make your escape, but
watch out for the Botswanan chain-saw brigade. But that's another
story).

Anyway, I submitted some questions to the last Computer Bowl which
was broadcast on the Computer Chronicles. And Mr. Bill read my question
in two parts to the contestants.

The question had to do with the OS for the Apple III.

mike

 


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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 03:26:07 GMT

In article <jbickers.0m2h@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>Quoted from <Bzqt81.36H@starnine.com> by mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas):
>
>> That's just because you still need your comic books.  When you start 
>> growing up, you'll feel more need for the Amiga.
>
>    Hey, now you're saying bad things about comics, the great American
>    cultural thing? Boo, hiss!

My favorite character is Wolverine, from the X-Men.

>*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
-- 
Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
 appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
 everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn, comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: The future of the Amiga.
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:30:02 GMT
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Kenny Sequeira (kennys@terapin.com) wrote:
:
: Excellence! also has a built in grammar checker which AmiPro 
: or Word do not have.
:

I don't know about AmiPro, but both Word and WordPerfect for Windows
certainly do have grammar checking.

:
: kennys@terapin.com
:
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From: ovep@kih.no (Ove Tro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:10:17 GMT
Organization: Kongsberg Ingeniorhogskole

In article <BzKMB3.19v@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
|> If I wanted a Nintendo, I would buy a Nintendo.  In today's lingo a
|> "computer" is something with a monitor, hard drive and 2MB of RAM.
|> 
|> An A500/A600 is a toy.

That depends on what you use it for.
I have friends with 486's that are SO proud of the great games
they have, and they miss no opportunity to tell how fast they are.
(Game machines... Toys...)
I also know people who use their PC's to program C or Pascal or whatever.
(Developers tools... Serious machines...)
Still, with their MegaBlazing AssKicking HyperFast PowerMachines,
do they have much RAM free for DOS-progs ??  Hardly 630kB !!
And that's after using loadhi or something like it to put those
awful TSR-programs up in the ex.mem, if possible.
And being careful not to use any drivers that uses the same interrupt-
addresses...  

Take an A600HD (with 2MB ram, if you want to...)
Load the WorkBench, and look at the memory free that is displayed.
(Or, if you want it REAL serious, don't load the workbench, then you 
don't have to look at the toy-icons and toy-windows  :-)
I guess the mem available should be around 1.8MB continuous RAM.
That's almost 3 times the mem avail. under MS-DOS (without cheating)...
TOY MY ASS!!!


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From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:24:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.151721.12729@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>	"Name one worthwhile PC OS with a consistent user interface."
>	"Windows."

Windows is not an OS; it's an OS lookalike. That is of course IMO. On the
other hand it seems to me that people who are into CS agree with this. Go
figure. (I actually find OS theory very interesting.)

Oh btw, this does not mean that I think AmigaOS is the perfect solution.

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: 16 cls Hires Icons
Keywords: Where ?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:30:35 GMT

In article <zxmoa01.725063726@studserv> zxmoa01@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Andreas Otte) writes:
>Where can i get thode GREAT MC Vey Icons !! Got some
>on amiga physik but it seems a lot of them are missing ! So where can
>i get the rest of them ??? Andy
>
If you can edit them out of a .GIF, I've made 4 screenshots full
of great OS/2 icons.  They are at usl.edu in /pub.  Called
danoicon#.GIF, where # is 1,2,3 and 4.  Have fun.  I put them there
for another Amiga who hated his big cartoony, squished icons and
was able to cut n' paste from my OS/2 WorkPlace Shell screenshots also
uploaded there.

=Dan
.



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"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
 appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
 everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn, comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: a MB style flame against IBMs
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:16:35 GMT
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Jeff Shearer (jshearer@beta.tricity.wsu.edu) wrote:
:
: >WARNING: you might want to bail out now and skip all this.  Its just a
: >meaningless tirade against IBMS after what I went through recently.  So
: >if you keep reading afte this warning, don't complain to me, man.
:
: Not complaining, just clarifying a few things.
:

Jeff, you didn't take that post seriously, did you?  It was just some
ignorant moron pissed off at MB, trying to seem intelligent by being
sarcastic.

:
: - Jeff
:
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: CD-ROM applications
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:27:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.194157.20342@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>In article <BzpBMx.G1w@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
>writes:
>>>Perhaps
>>>if they developed a *good* tax preparation program, they wouldn't place
>>>the onus on everybody else.
>
>>   They have, for IBM CD-ROM.  Unfortunately, CD-ROM technology has not caught
>>on at all in the Amiga market.  CDTV excluded, of course, since it is not a
>>modern Amiga with an up-to-date OS and graphics capabilities.
>
>Are American tax forms really that difficult to fill out? I realize that a
>CD-ROM containing standardized forms for all states and categories would be
>beneficial for business and industry, but isn't this a bit of overkill for
>the average home user? For the investment in the software and CD-ROM drive,
>you could buy a lot of pencils.

   You can say that about any method of preparing taxes that uses anything 
beyond a pencil.  Obviously, it would not be cost effective to purchase a
CD-ROM drive JUST to prepare taxes, just as it would not be cost effective to
purchase a computer just to prepare taxes.  But the CD-ROM drive enhances the
whole system, not just one application of it.  After using the CD-ROM to 
prepare your taxes from pre-scanned tax forms, you could use the CD-ROM to
hunt down a font typeface from a CD-ROM library of font typefaces, or play a
HUGE CD-ROM game, or to run an interactive training presentation that uses 
the CD-ROM along with a high-resolution non-interlaced display.

   The CD-ROM has a miriad of applications.  Just be creative.  Wasn't the 
Amiga once called "the computer for the creative mind"? 

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From: Alex_Topic@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Alex Topic)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depress
Distribution: world
Date: 29 Dec 92 02:40:53 PST
Organization: Tunnel-Vision BBS!

    Well Marc it does sometimes, however I find lots of info in here. I
just
like to point out I feel the same way as you, and in fact an amiga fanatic.
I'm so use to my Amiga, and I just think it has a great and interesting
archetecture. So many people don't give it a chance, and I feel CBM is
not agressive, as they were back in the good old days. When we saw that
crazy 'I ADORE MY C64!' add on TV. How many C64's are there now 10
million?? And are still selling..heh..
 
    I had mega debates with IBM/MAC people in the pass, and it often is a
waste of time. They are too IGNORANT to understand, and are very simple.
And know very little about computers. Anyhow I use my computer for total
rec... like to draw, and program on it. I'm trying to start some small
game developer group, though demos are what we are concentrating on now.
 
    CBM should advertise more aggresively, and try to find some good
developers.. try to establish some ground in productive places. Amiga
in my opinion is the best put together home computer in the world. I would
never get an IBM clone or MAC. I hate their lame setup, and they are
awful to code. Though I may not have much experience with them, but I
investigated them, and yawned....
 
    I could careless if some American software company drops the Amiga.
Europe is where alot of the power is for the Amiga. And in europe they
should try establishing something here. Look at Psygnosis...hmm..
 
     If I ever complete a game. I will make it only for the Amiga... I will
never give the rights for having it on other machines. Hey if Nintendo
is like that, why can't some of us Amiganoids.. that way we get high
quality warez.. later

-Alex

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:39:03 GMT
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Gregory R Block (bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu) wrote:
:
: >Obviously, some people find this feature useful, and that's why there are
: >several Windows utilities which allow you to do this.  However, we were
:
: Which are not nearly as integrated into the system as the Amiga's
: screens are, and therefore, quite a bit less useful.
:

You're quite wrong about that.  The Windows solutions are extremely well
integrated, and have excellent keyboard, menu, and panel access to the
screens which they manage.

:
: >talking about the Amiga's hardware implementation of screens.  The only
: >advantage it has over the Windows method (for the particular function of
: >increasing real estate and grouping applications) is that Amiga screens
: >redraw faster.  So, just like I said, they are a speed optimization; my
: >first point holds.
:
: I disagree.  It's more than just a "speed optimization".  It's a
: direct result of having a copperlist, one.  Second, it's more than
: "the only advantage" over the window method, due to the OS itself.  As
: I mentioned before, how do those windows open on those screens?  Can
: you tell your application "open on _THIS_ public screen", "use the
: default public screen", can you shanghai windows to a public screen,
: and do applications support them intrinsically?  As a best guess,
: you'll only have support for shanghai.
:

The window opens in the current screen, and then you can move it to a
different one.  Unfortunately, your usage of the verb "shanghai" eludes me,
so I can't answer the rest of your questions.

:
: I'm not describing a speed optimization.  I'm describing a solution to
: the lack of resolution on ALL systems, IBM, Mac, and Amiga.  Because,
: in the end, not even the Mac or IBM systems has enough resolution for
: doing everything on one screen.  Otherwise, you wouldn't be
: iconifying/hiding windows under OS/2 / Sys7.1 / Windows.
:

If you're talking about extending real estate, it's still a half-baked,
if fast, solution, as screens are limited by Chip RAM.  Put a high-color paint
program on a screen, and there goes half your Chip RAM.  I know, I know,
"Why would you need more than that?"

:
: Greg
:
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From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc,rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: UChess205.lha Uploaded to anon ftp sites
Date: 28 Dec 92 06:59:48 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

Pieces are much more defined in 2.0x than in 1.x of UChess,
but they are scaled down versions of the 256 color graphics.
The game is designed for an AGA 640X480 display, but can
operate in ECS modes if that is all that is available.
ECS graphics are not real pretty, but unfortunately it is
primarily an AGA game.  It plays just as strong chess
either way.

-Roger
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From: mike@struad.uucp (Michael Cianflone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Dans uploaded OS/2 Screens SUCK!
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:50:17 GMT
Organization: Structured Applications & Designs, Inc. R&D Institute.

In article <1992Dec15.135043.26904@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Okay, does anyone else have any enlightened opinions?  All this shouting
>about desktops, I uploaded some to usl.edu in /pub, and I have yet to
>hear of any WB2 *****.gifs***** being uploaded anywhere. Well?  Well?
>
>Mr. Greene, perhaps you could make some WPS captures and enlighten these
>ignorant masses? :-)
>--
>Dan Stephenson                                                das9674@usl.edu  
>"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while
>we lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
>                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  

  I just sent my workbench pics, including digitized pics for the dock,
greyscale drawers showing the traditional light/dark sequence (which took me
a long time to design. Anyone can rip em off and  use them if you like. Just
post here if you like them!) and selective colors and fonts. They're in the
same place (usl.edu in /pub) and called mikeswb.gif, mikeswb2.gif, and
mikeswb3.gif.  Let me know what you think. Amiga poeple, go ahead and look
too and let me know what you think of the styling and the drawer, oh yeah and
the drive icons too. It took a while to set everything up!
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From: cobra@coyote.datalog.com (Ken Thompson)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Datalog Consulting, Tucson, AZ
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 03:56:46 GMT

> [ bandwidth-reducing deletia... ]
> 
> #1.Most Amiga games CANNOT multitask, with, say a download (which is
> what we were discussing.

 
As all Amiga owners will attest, this is a bunch of defecation...I've got 
three right here that do it with no problem:
 
carmen SanDiego, Tetris & World Trophy Soccer...
 
ANybody else want to list  software they use that'll multitask correctly?


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