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From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: Jello Bombs, How to air burst?
Keywords: Ok, I know this seems like a strange question, but how do I get my Jello
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:52:29 GMT

In article <615@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca> padecoo@flash.LakeheadU.Ca writes:
>
>     I've filled a baloon with jello.  I mixed it up in a 2 liter pop bottle, and squeezed it into the baloon.  Then the baloon goes into the freezer until it is fairly solid.  But not set all the way.  I figure it would splatter better that way.
>
>     The balloon is dropped from the 12th floor of my apartment building.  I've thought about putting a fire cracker with a LONG fuse on the side of the balloon.  But the burn rate will increase dramatically in free fall (the air flow will increase). Is there any other way to have the Jello Bomb detonate over the target?  Or should Iuse trial and error to determine the correct fuse length?
>

I won't flame you about not using a carriage return :-)  , but...

It seems to me that if you drop a balloon filled with Jello from a
high place, with a firecracker attached to the balloon, when the
firecracker explodes you will simply have a falling ball of Jello
without a surrounding balloon.  Why do you even need a balloon at all?
Is it for ease of handling?

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From: buda@star.enet.dec.com (Mark A. Buda)
Subject: Re: Anarchists' Handbook
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:38:05 GMT


In article <gt8303a-181292083509@astgator-202.gatech.edu>, gt8303a@prism.gatech.edu (Andy Entrekin) writes...


>Well, excuse the hell out of me!  Thanks, Bill, for the insight.  I have
>no plans of buying the book.  I've seen a copy and got a good laugh.  And
>you, Mark, can go straight to hell, without passing go or collecting $200.

What happens if I already collected the $200? :-)

>And what if I were to try one of the experiments and send it to you?

I doubt it would make it for two reasons.

 1) Most likely it would explode while you were trying to engineer it and if
    that did not occur,
 2) it would explode in the mail.

>Nice
>Christmas present, eh?  Please give me more credit than you have.  I'm not
>as stupid as you think.  

No one said you were stupid, just suggested you try what was in the book since
you felt Bill was scaring people away from it (and for good reason, I might add).

Enjoy your Holidays,

	- mark

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From: khartman@fnalo.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Hearing
Date: 20 Dec 92 02:47:37 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalo.fnal.gov

In article <1992Dec19.132040.13626@news.columbia.edu>, his7@cunixb.cc.columbia.
edu (Henry Shih) writes:
> Hello fellow pyros,
> 	I've been fooling around with the ammonium tri-iodide compound lat 
>night and one went off unexpectedly about 1 foot in front of my face.  It was 
>only one single crystal.  I immediately got the ringing in the year and I 
>thought it wasn't that serious.  I was hoping that a night of sleep might get 
>rid of it.  Now I can't hear everything in my left ear.  My left year is not 
>completely deaf, I still can hear very little of it.  Did anyone have a 
>similar type of accident or problem?  I'm hoping that this hearing
>problem isn't permanent and will heal in a few days.  Maybe this is wishful 
>thinking.  If anyone out there also had an explosion occur near their ear 
>and their hearing was not impared, how long did it take for the ringing in 
>the ear to wear off?  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Henry Shih
> his7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu




	This has happened to me twice, the first time (the worst), being with
our old friend, Nitrogen Triiodide.  I had made a batch during lunch time
when I was in high school.  There was, maybe, an eigth of a teaspoon of the
crystals that I left to dry on a watch glass.  I placed the damp explosive in
a fume hood to dry, so nobody would bump into it.  After school, I checked
to see if the crystals were dry.  Picking up a pair of crucible tongs (can
you see it coming...), I jeeeest touched the crystals...BANG!!  Pretty stupid!

	Well, the explosion blew the watch glass into about six pieces, and
the fume hood amplified the blast into BOTH ears.  I knew what I was making,
and how sensitive it was.  I did not, however, stop to think how the fume
hood would amplify the noise.  My brain was _really_ out to lunch, stop to
think of it, or I would have used a meterstick to "test" the crystals.

	Anyway, that little event left both ears ringing for about two days,
but I was pretty much deaf for the rest of that afternoon.  Very lucky, I 
guess.

	The second time was when I hit a mixture of Red Phosphorus and 
Potassium Chlorate (a VERY dangerous mixture), with a hammer.  I was trying
to demonstrate this mixture (it is/was used in toy caps), to some friends.  I 
was using a small amount, and it was not confined (except by the hammer and
the steel plate that it was resting on).  This left my ears ringing for several
hours, but they were fine later in the evening.

	This is my experience with explosions and hearing.  Hopefully, you'll
be O.K.  You might want to see a doctor if your ears are still bothering you.
Gives you a healthy respect for Nitrogen Triiodide, a "low power" explosive,
don't it? :-)


							Good luck,
							   Ken
From: hollis@titan.ksc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re : Plant explosions...
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:02:11 EST
Organization: NASA, Kennedy Space Center

Greetings and Salutations:

From: kirby@dws003.unr.edu (Stephen Kirby)

>        If you are looking for a pretty large explosion one occured
>in southern Nevada, in a city called Henderson (Near Las Vegas) in
>1989(?). It was actually an oxidizer(I think) plant for producing
>rocket fuel for NASA.

I was wondering if anybody was going to mention that one.  I had forgotten most
of the facts, however I did remember that it was a plant for mixing the
propellants for solid rocket boosters.  About the only time fuels for solids
are stable (apparently) is when the are mixed and cured.  The plant was one of
the only ones (I think there may have been another small one) that produced
ammonium perchlorates for solid rockets in the U.S. (mostly for the military).

It took out a candy factory that was across the way also. 8-<

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From: bbs.byron@tsoft.net (Byron Reynolds)
Subject: Al Powder containing Stearic Acid
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:47:54 GMT

I've recieved some Al flake, and the safety sheet mentions that it 
may contain up to 4% stearic acid.  As far as I can tell, this poses
no problem, but I thought I would post here to get some expert feedback.
Will stearic acid react with oxidizers?  copper?  resin glues?
 
Thanks a bunch!
 

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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: Jello Bombs, How to air burst?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 10:14:57 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
Distribution: na

buda@star.enet.dec.com (Mark A. Buda) writes:

>Here you go again.  Bill has provided excellent and careful information on
>safety.  If you find it not to your liking, present us with some facts,
>not your usual complaints about Bill.

>Do you have it in for Bill?

Actually my comment about wringing the hands was made tongue-in-cheek.
The followups indicate maybe tongue-in-cheek mode is incorrect.  I can
assure you that if I "had it out" for bill, things would have passed
the incendiary stage by now.

While we're talking about wringing the hands, I do take great exception
to any of the following concepts:

"It's too dangerous to do under any circumstances because I say it is."

"I did it but it's too dangerous for mere mortals to attempt"

"You idiot, your information is all wrong.  Go check your references."
(instead of posting references or correcting said information)

"What you're doing is illegal and St. Finger's gonna shake his peter
at you for doing it."  (no shit, goldylocks.  Most pyro is illegal
these days.)

Like that venerable old shoe, the above should be worn wherever it fits.

John
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From: mellob@cary103.its.rpi.edu (Rock Head)
Subject: Literature Recomendation
 
Reply-To: mellob@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:19:53 GMT

	This News Group is a dream come true. I always tried to make 

	explosives and things that burn (excluding buildings) since I
	
	was like 8. I need some recomendations for books that I should 

	buy to do it right and retain 100% limb existence.

	Don't jam up the group unless you think everybody needs the info.

	Just Email. Also, how do I get the FAQ thing? I cant find them

	for any group i'm subscribed to.


	Thank in Advance


			-Brett
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: EXPLODING LEMONADE! 
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:31:55 GMT

lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lawrence Curcio) writes:
: The exploding lemonade recipe definitely doesn't work. I just tried it,
: and the nitric acid makes it WAY too tart. The problem can be solved if
: you cut back on the carbolic acid, and substitute Seagrams (tm) Gin. Two
: dashes triple sec and you'll be the life of the party ;-)

Yeah. I kind of got a kick out of it, when it was posted. It was kind of
hard to see exactly what the person expected to be the inflammable agent.
It looked like he expected the alcohol produced by fermentation to do it.

I is one of the worst mish-mash recipes I have seen in a long time.

Bill
Organization: Doctoral student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:16:58 -0500 
From: Lawrence Curcio <lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Clean Burning Liquid Needed
Distribution: usa

Try 95% ethyl alcohol, available in many liquor stores. You can dilute
it somewhat to make it burn cooler. Wood alcohol burns cleaner still,
but it's toxic. 
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From: ssm@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Stephen Morley)
Subject: Chemicals Needed
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:50:43 GMT

Hi, all, I've been reading this newsgroup for almost a year, gleaning
safety ideas and formulas, trying to decide where to start in this
hobby that I've been interested for longre that I can remember...

I made the normal variety of smoke and pyrotechnic devices that most
of us all made in grade and high school, but now I would like to 
re-enter the field with a more structured approach..

Now to my question...

I am in need of a few chemicals, and would like your help if finding
the best place to find them.  The list is small, and hopefully simple:

	potassium thiocyanate
	ferric chloride

	carbon disulfide
	carbon tetrachloride

Thanx in advance...


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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Clean Burning Liquid Needed
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:14:27 GMT

eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu (Lee Furnival) writes:
: What is the cleanest burning liquid that is easily accessible to a
: person who has no connections in the chemical world such as myself?
: Basically, something that I can buy at a supermarket or drugstore.  By
: clean, I mean little or no smoke and little or no odor, and NONTOXIC!
: I will be dipping a rod with cotton gauze into it.  I have been using
: rubbing alcohol, 70% isopropyl, and that seems to be ok, but it leaves
: an odd Bar-B-Que-ey taste in my mouth, so I was wandering if there was
: another type of alcohol that would be better...

Use "Everclear" - 190 proof ethenol. Dilute it with water to cool it
down. Try not to get any more than necessary in your mouth. High proof
alcohol tends to dry out the tissues. You might be able to add something
to it to add some color to the flame. I don't know if a little table
salt in the diluted alcohol would work, or not.

Bill
Xref: sparky rec.pyrotechnics:4111 rec.arts.books:22596 soc.history:10211
From: umcormi5@ccu.umanitoba.ca (John Cormier)
Subject: Re: This is TBBOM ver 1.3
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:47:44 GMT

In <1992Dec4.011414.5543@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

>umcormi5@ccu.umanitoba.ca (John Cormier) writes:

>TBBOM posting delided.

>Use extreme caution with this manual. While it is more accurate than
>most of a similar nature, it is still not a good reference. Much of
>the information is either incorrect or incomplete. If you wish to 
>experiment with some of the formulas, go to your local university and
>look up the relevant process in a good book on high energy materials.
>The books will point out the precautions to take, as well as mentioning
>some of the accidental explosions that have occurred - where professionals
>in the field were working in the lab.

>The one section I would trust is the one on flash powders by Dr van Tiel.

>Bill


At least the book gives people somewhere to start instead as someone once
mentioned before, going off and trying some process making something else
that they don't want or is harmful.

The reason I posted is because I was swamped with requests for a copy. 
Ok.  Whoever wants one, I'll send you one by e-mail even though it will
take me a few hours to get through all of you.

John

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From: brech@vision.ethz.ch (Christian Brechbuehler)
Subject: Re: Glycerin, Glycerol, ...
Organization: Institute for Communication Technology, ETH Zuerich
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:39:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.193541.1@fnalo.fnal.gov>, khartman@fnalo.fnal.gov writes:
|> Ethylene Glycol is used in antifreeze.
|> Glycerine will ignite Potassium Permanganate.

Antifreeze too ignites KMnO4 (and more reliably than glycerine in my tests).

	Christian Brechbuehler
	
	Communication Technology Lab, Image Science Group
	Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) Zurich, Switzerland

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From: zlg1409@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Zhenhai Li )
Subject: Re: Jello Bombs, How to air burst?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:48:59 GMT

hleaves@gems.vcu.edu writes:

>A Jello balloon from dropped onto someones head from 12 stories would probably
>cause a serious neck injury and maybe even break their neck. This is coming
from someone who had a sore neck for weeks after having a water balloon dropped
>on his head from just 5 or 6 feet.

Although this is serious subject....
Death by jell-o?
grenade...yes.
land mine...yes.
Exploding jell-o bomb?
heheheheheh.
Sorry, after all the warnings about how one can lose limbs in this group
AND taking two busness law exams....
I can just see the warnings on the box now.

Warning: Loss of life may occur through inapropraite use.

LAter,
Z.
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: willson@seas.gwu.edu (Stephen R. Willson)
Subject: Re: Jello Bombs, How to air burst?
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:20:02 GMT

When you say ywelve pounds of force can break the human spinal cord, how
is that distributed?  Over a square inch?  Over the cross section of the
spinal cord?  A water balloon droped from the top of your building would
not produce twelve pounds of force per square inch.  The force of that
balloon will be distributed over the surface it makes contact with.
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From: khartman@fnalo.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Clean Burning Liquid Needed
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:53:01 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalo.fnal.gov

In article <1992Dec18.231427.16787@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com
(bill nelson) writes:
> eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu (Lee Furnival) writes:
> : What is the cleanest burning liquid that is easily accessible to a
> : person who has no connections in the chemical world such as myself?
> : Basically, something that I can buy at a supermarket or drugstore.  By
> : clean, I mean little or no smoke and little or no odor, and NONTOXIC!
> : I will be dipping a rod with cotton gauze into it.  I have been using
> : rubbing alcohol, 70% isopropyl, and that seems to be ok, but it leaves
> : an odd Bar-B-Que-ey taste in my mouth, so I was wandering if there was
> : another type of alcohol that would be better...
> 
> Use "Everclear" - 190 proof ethenol. Dilute it with water to cool it
> down. Try not to get any more than necessary in your mouth. High proof
> alcohol tends to dry out the tissues. You might be able to add something
> to it to add some color to the flame. I don't know if a little table
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> salt in the diluted alcohol would work, or not.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Bill


	Yeah, you would think it _would_ work.  The book we got our "Money
to burn" demonstration from also suggested this to make the blue alcohol
flame more visible.  Pretty disappointing results, however.  The flame was
just barely yellow, not the intense yellow you would expect from the Sodium
ion.  Maybe the added water cooled the flame too much.


Ken




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From: wdtg1751@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William D. Trimble)
Subject: Re: Jello Bombs, How to air burst?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:51:13 GMT
Keywords: Ok, I know this seems like a strange question, but how do I get my Jello

have you considered putting a parachute on the jello bomb?  
if you did this properly, it could give you a much greater 
margin of error on your fuse time...
BTW, how large are the jello bombs?

bill trimble
university of il
standard disclaimer:  "of COURSE it's for informational purposes only"

Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: EXPLODING LEMONADE! (new recipe)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:00:47 GMT

umalexa9@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Edward W. Alexander) writes:
>Um... Is it me or have you not thought of just buying gasoline?  Sounds
>cheaper.... and I'm sure you could add as many flavours and colors to it
>that you want.
*----
Don't be silly.  Gasoline is carcinogenic.
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Jumpin Dude)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Fido <--> Internet
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:48:04 GMT
Organization: University of Denver

Is there a specific person that maintains a Fido <--> Internet gateway?
If so, please email me.

General question: I attempted to email a fido-netter and careful as I,
or maybe not so careful, my mail got posted, something to the effect
that Skratch was on the net. I canceled that, but it seems it made it
out to the world. Did everyone receive that article?

email to tjreynol@du.edu please.

Thanks
Tim
.
ZZ
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Re: Telephone # for Eloy
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:47:36 GMT

In article <18574@mindlink.bc.ca>
  Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee) writes:
>Can any one post or e-mail the Eloy DZ phone #?

Skydive Arizona, Inc.
4900 North Taylor Road
Eloy, Arizona  85231

(602) 466-3753 (phone)
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From: mark@vti.com (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Pullout/throwout
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:28:03 GMT

Zoltan Egyed (egyed@lns598.tn.cornell.edu) wrote:
: In article <Bz79K8.FI8@vti.com> mark@vti.com writes:
: 
: >Quite similarly, you *can* get a throw-out on a racer, but in practice
: >you'll find them setup with pull-out's, right?
: 
: The racers, R/E-s I've seen around usually had throwout. My R/E has throwout.
: Why would you find them in practice with pullout?

I have seen lots of racers and talked to lots of racer-bigots, but
have never seen nor heard a jumper that had or wanted a throw-out.
You seem to have had a different experience.

Well, there goes all my thories.
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If a train-station is where train stops, what happens at a work-station?
From: moret@disuns2.epfl.ch (Pierre Moret)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: 1ST JUMP QUESTION
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:04:03 GMT
Reply-To: moret@disuns2.epfl.ch (Pierre Moret)
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <Bz3s8D.6uH@vti.com> mark@vti.com writes:
>Brandon France (fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu) wrote:
>: Up here the tandem passenger is allowed to pull the ripcord, if he
>: remembers...
>
>Strong Tandem v.s. Vector Tandem.

wrong!... It is possible to add a passenger/student ripcord to the Vector.
(Basically the same solution as on the Strong.)

--Pierre     moret@di.epfl.ch
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From: aviechec@dante.nmsu.edu (Alex Viechec)
Subject: New Mexico
Organization: Blahh...
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:33:52 GMT

Where can I learn to skydive in New Mexico?  I've heard Belen, and 
that's about it.  We're thinking of doing it in the spring, and
somewhere a little closer to Las Cruces would be more convenient.
Thanks in advance.


Al the Pal 
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