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From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 11:28:54 GMT

Stef Jones (stef@Apple.COM) wrote:
: michaelc@oz.plymouth.edu (Mike Clark) writes:
: 
: >I recently wrote a piece of erotica as a favor to someone and it was
: >to deal with vampire Fetishism....Well, I had never heard of such a
: >thing, however with some research I was able to create something that
: >I heard was pretty good..>Does anyone have any insite into this
: >Vampire Fetishism thing they could share with a newbie??
: 
: There was recently a thread on this sort of thing in alt.sex.bondage.

Yes but now we have our own board to discuss how to get our next snack

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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Killing your neighborhood vampire
From: Philip.Banks@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Philip Richard Banks)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:12:24 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <1992Sep11.060130.9077@leland.Stanford.EDU> shibe@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ye Olde Kinge Tafur) writes:

>Stake through the heart.
>Exposure to direct sunlight.
>Complete immersion in running water.

   Try also cutting the head off and filling it with holy wafers and burning
the body. I have a sneaking suspicion this may require the more standard steak
through the pump option first so may only be a way of ensuring permanent death.

>I've heard/read these before, though never tried them out.  

   I should hope not... well not without confirming said person was a dangerous
vampire of course...

>Has anyone out there ever heard of a method that involves
>a wild rose?  I think you're supposed to put the wild rose in the coffin
>with the vampire and then burn the coffin, though I don't remember where
>I read this.

   It must be remembered that wild rose in this context is most likely garlic
plants as they were called this at one time...

>Any other methods?  (If you can, please include where you read/heard about it.)

   One method gleaned from the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons manual (quite good
for a run down in generic myths...) is to render holy the vampires cofin(s)
preventing them from obtaining their daily rest killing them... (Seems they
need contact with soil from their graves on a regular basis.)

Philip
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Re: Sunday Times article on vampires
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 16:56:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep08.174731.26599@microsoft.com> philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
>     This interpretation used to hold true, almost across the board.
>With the recent "gothic punk" style vampires, though, you have to
>throw this out the window.  Or, you could interpret the new style
>as the proletariat striking back...

It seems to me that these people are attempting to achieve a sort of
aristocracy.  They feel only a few people are appropriate for their
activities and have little respect for "normals."  It is quite common for
people to emulate systems they may not even approve of.  Also, most
alleged vampyres were at least eccentric if not deranged.

Regards.
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: r32554j@kaira.hut.fi (Kirsi Lindh)
Subject: Re: Vampire books...
Organization: Ze Blob Corp.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:17:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.063416.2233@wkuvx1.bitnet> goathunter@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>In article <manz.715907702@ee.ualberta.ca>, manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz) writes:
>> In <1992Sep6.193727.18690@coe.montana.edu> drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:
>>
>>>Although they haven't written a series yet, Mercedes Lackey and Barbara
>>>Hambly have each written at least one rather good vampire-based novel.
>>>Also, Fred Saberhagen has written about six books in a series involving 
>>>his version of Dracula and friends.
>> 
>> Titles!!  Please, give us titles!!
>
>
>The Saberhagen Dracula series (great stuff!):
>
>  The Dracula Tape
>  The Holmes-Dracula File
>  An Old Friend of the Family
>  Thorn
>  Dominion
>  Empire of the East
>  After The Fact
>  A Matter of Taste
>
>Other great standalone novels:
>
>	_They Thirst_			Robert R. McCammon
>	_The Light At The End_		Skipp and Spector
>	_The Keep_			F. Paul Wilson
>	_Dracula_			Bram Stoker
>	_Nightblood_			T. Chris Martindale
>	_Sunglasses After Dark_		Nancy Collins
>	_Blood of the Impaler_		Jeffrey Sackett
>	_'Salem's Lot_			Stephen King (one of his few good ones)
>
>Hunter
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I'm new to this newsgroup, so I don't know if this has been mentioned...
If you want something that's different and gives a different view on
vampires, try Anne Rice's vampire trilogy. 
If I remember correctly the books are named
1. Interview with a vampire
2. The vampire Lestat
3. Queen of the damned

I recommend them. I read the first one in a day. The two next ones took
me even a shorter time than that.

-Kirsi

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From: carlb@ender.tamu.edu (Yber / Carl Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Vampyre Mythoi / Origins
Keywords: cross church vampyre Dracula Tepes Bathory Stoker
Date: 12 Sep 1992 21:34:35 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

Several years ago, I ran across a book called Lust_for_Blood in a used
book store.  The author is Olga Hoyt, published in 1984 by Stien and 
Day.  It reminds me very much of a dissertation in regards to how thorough
it is.  It has chapters on Bathory, Tepes, and Stoker, as well as other
"real life" vampyres, legends broken down by region, books and movies that
influenced how we look at vampyres, extensive research notes and a three
page bibliography. I highly recommend it, if you can find it.

One of the most interesting things in it, as I remember, was about the
ceremony for ex-communication for the Greek Orthodox Church.  In the
ceremony, the last spoken words were (translated) "and after death to
remain indissoluble", thus forcing the unfortunate to become a
"vrykolakas", a vampyre.  This also explains why the cross was considered
to be the first line of defense against the vampyre, as if the church made
it, then the church should be able to make it go away (or at least keep it
at bay).

One of the major influences on Stoker's plot for _Dracula_ was, according
to Hoyt, an Hungarian professor named Vambery, who Hoyt implies, but does
not actually state, was well-versed in the Greek Orthodox religion.

-Yber
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas)
Subject: Songs of the not-quite dead
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:37:26 GMT


  Here's a song about a guy in love with a vampire. It's by a band from Quebec called Banlieue Rouge (Red Suburb) and it's called Kassandra. It's in french but I tried to translate it:

Lorsque chaque soir la nuit tombe          When every evening falls the night
Et que felinement tu sors de ta tombe      And as a feline you come out of your
                                           grave
Je ne crains plus ton baiser vampire       I'm not scared of your vampire kiss
Je suis soumis a tous tes desirs           And am submitted to your every wish
Mes reves sont hantes par ton image        My dreams are haunted by your image
Alors que le jour ton absence m'enrage     Whilst every day your absence enrages
                                           me
Toute resistance m'est inutile             Any resistance is useless
Mon energie fuit de facon futile           My energy vanishes in futile ways

                      ahaaaaaaaaaah Kassandra

Comme j'aimerais avoir la force de te tuer How I'd like to be capable of killing
                                           you
Et de ta douce emprise pouvoir m'echapper  And escape from your grip
Mais sous tes cheveux noirs je fixe ton    But under your black hair I stare
visage bleme                               at your palish face
Et je sais que malgre tout je t'aime       And I know that I love you
Toi Dracula au feminin                     You Dracula in feminine
Pierre angulaire de mon destin             Cornerstone of my destiny
Nosferatu qui se nourrit d'amour           Nosferatu nourished with love
Ta morsure m'affectera toujours            Your bite will always affect me

                        ahaaaaaaaaaah Kassandra

Mais pourquoi ce sourire si cruel          Why such a cruel smile
Et dans tes yeux de chats cette etincelle  And in your cat's eyes, this spark
Lorsque subjugue par ton appel             When subjugated by your call
Je viens jusqu'a toi ma belle              I come to you my love
C'est lorsque tu n'est pas la que je me    It is when you're away that I die
meurs
Et que j'erre dans la ville sans aucune    That I roam the town without a fear
peur
Oh! c'est surement sur la pierre tombale   It'll be on your tombstone
Que se terminera cet amour fatal           That this fatal love will end

                        ahaaaaaaaaaaah Kassandra.

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From: bohlman@plains.NoDak.edu (Daemon)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: _Rockula_, Yarbro, porphyria, and questions
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:29:37 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Sep8.023322.7774@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dand@Turing.ORG (Dan 'Bart' Duncan (KD4IGW)) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.181441.1@opie.bgsu.edu> jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>>This may be getting a little long, but I have just one more request: Does 
>>anyone know any methods of becoming a vampire *without* being bitten by one?
>>I'm writing a story that turns on this point. I seem to remember reading 
>>somewhere that suicide under certain conditions can do it, but I need more
>>details.
>
According to Bram Stoker's _Dracula_, a person can will themselves to become
a vampire through sheer force of will at the point of death, usually 
motivated by either denial of mortality or an intense and extremely powerful
fear of death.  The presence of some vampire blood in your system is an aid.
Mina (the female lead/victim/vampire) became an undead in this manner.
She was mortally injured by Dracula, but _not_ killed by him.  She willed
herself to join him in his undead state.

Always helps to review the classics...


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From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: "Dracula's Guest"
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:19:22 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

You can find it in The Penguin Book of Vampire Stories.

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From: fabbott@athena.mit.edu (Freeland K Abbott III)
Subject: Benevolent Vampyres
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:08:33 GMT


Just out of curiosity: how many stories of basically good, decent,
friendly vampires are out there?  The "Flesh and Blood" tale disussed
under the "Vampire short stories" subject sounds like it might be one,
but I'm wondering if there are others, and if so, how good they are...
I remember one story I read in an issure of _Analog_ (sorry, I can't
get you a better reference than that), set in a bar (a la Cheers, sort
of: everybody knows your name, all-for-one-and-one-for-all-kindof):
the vampire was the friendly guy who took the really soused folks home
at night, cared for them over the night, and left early the next day
(I guess the sunlight stuff was suspended).  Folks woke up without a
hangover, even---he'd become alcoholic while working for the Red Cross
to slake his thirst, so he just nipped enough to keep himself going
for a while, but took out a bunch of the alcohol, too.  Course, his
vampirism was a secret---folks never noticed the loss---until the end,
when the hero figures it out and blacks the lights so Mr. Fangs can
tend to someone suffering from alcohol poisoning...

It was a neat story idea, though a bit of a stretch for suspesion of
disbelief.  I expect other such stories are similar: neat ideas, but
weaker in execution than the usual horror-vampire....

Any reaction?
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: wildcard@nevada.edu ( WildCard !!)
Subject: Re: Vampyre anime
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:34:47 GMT

In article <ed.716090706@cwis> ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) writes:
>In the vein (snicker) of those vamp movis you's been a-listin'....here's
>an animated film out of Japan...
> 
>VAMPIRE HUNTER D  

Another great bit of vampire anime is _Miyu:Vampire Princess_. It blends 
Western vampire tradition with Eastern (as well as throwing in the Shinma).

Very dark, very depressing...very cool.


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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: kklai@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Curtis D)
Subject: Re: Fiction vampire list, version 1.0
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:52:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.070452.12599@sbcs.sunysb.edu> ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing) writes:
>ya know, the vampyres mailing list maintains a list of vampyre books and movies
>that is considerably more extensive than that and you're simply duplicating 
>work that's already been done...


Where, pray tell, is this mailing list? I want to be on it.

(get ready for them "me too" posts  ;-)

>ieya

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From: zippy@cs.mcgill.ca (Fotis XIPOLITAKIS)
Subject: Vampire books...
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 05:05:45 GMT

	I recently finished reading the "Vampire chronicles" by Anne
	Rice and was severly impressed! Does anyone have the name of
	anyother good vampire series?
From: JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Innocent Blood (the upcoming movie)
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:22:51 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


   Anyone know anything about this?
-Jonathan "minimal bandwidth" Leistiko
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Being made...
From: Philip.Banks@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Philip Richard Banks)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:33:49 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <1992Sep13.231409.2401@news.iastate.edu> pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:
>In article <8052@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes:
>>>So my question then becomes, what does an atheist or an agnostic do?
>>>In my case, nothing, since it's sort of a fantasy of mine, but for those
>>>who have no interest in vampirism, what would they do?
>>>
>>Oh thats easy!!!!! Being an Atheist, I'd grab a gun! I have faith in
>>Smith and Wesson! =)
>
>But lead has no effect on a vampire.  Wood does.  Is it possible to shoot 
>a pencil or wooden dowel from a handgun?  Any reloading data would be 
>appreciated.

   It can be done but one shot per load and the reload time is atrocious.
My best bet, as an atheist confronted with a vampire, would be with an
automatic crossbow with ~20 quarrel clip and a cranking system for fastish
reload. The chinese used to use them in wars BTW. (without the cranking I
think.) Naturally the quarrels would be totally wooden bar the feathers...

  Philip

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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: lutz@shredder.raleigh.ibm.com (Dave Lutz)
Subject: Re: Anne Rice
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:04:14 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.11b by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: dave_lutz@vnet.ibm.com (Dave Lutz)
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In  <1992Sep4.191916.9911@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>  dwalterm@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dave Waltermire) writes:
>    I was just wondering if there were any fans out there, that enjoyed th
> vampire cronicals (thus far) as much as I did.  I would like to start a
> thread, or maybe even a group!  If anyone is interested please let me
> know.l

Yeah, I absolutely *loved* them!  I also read the Mummy and thoroughly 
enjoyed it.  Still waiting for the sequels to the Mummy.

I was lucky enough to read the 2nd two books in the vampire chronicles 
while traveling around Europe.  That trip and the chronicles are forever 
linked in my mind.  I even left little messages to "the Keeper" (Can't 
remember his name right now) all over Europe.

I've been meaning to reread the chronicles, and now that she's written 
another book in the series, I have added incentive.

Luv this forum so far!!!!

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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie)
Subject: Re: _Rockula_, Yarbro, porphyria, and questions
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 04:53:25 GMT

>>In article <1992Sep7.181441.1@opie.bgsu.edu> jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>>>This may be getting a little long, but I have just one more request: Does
>>>anyone know any methods of becoming a vampire *without* being bitten by one?
>>>I'm writing a story that turns on this point. I seem to remember reading
>>>somewhere that suicide under certain conditions can do it, but I need more
>>>details.
>>

Having just done some research for a paper on vampires in literature,
I remember another interesting way:  if a man's wife died an untimely
death, she returned as a vampire to claim her spouse (close to the
incubus/succubus thing).  Don't know if this worked the other way
around (husband coming back for wife).

Michael
From: shayden@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Sean Lee Hayden)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Actual accounts...
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:09:19 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

>Glad to be of help.  (But there are really only 808 of us after that terrible
>affair in Cerritos last year...)
>
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Cerritos???  What happened there?

Sean
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman)
Subject: Re: Perfect cast for _Interview_
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:55:10 GMT

This thread has been done to death (yech, a pun) already in alt.horror and
rec.arts.movies, but...

bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:

>In article <xb9yx-+@rpi.edu>, battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:

>> 	LESTAT:  JULIAN SANDS OR THAT BLONDE GUY FROM TREMORS
>That blonde guy from _Tremors_???  You mean Kevin Bacon as Lestat?
>I'm not sure I follow...  But Sands would be perfect.

Far and away the best choice for Lestat.  Let's hope he isn't too old by
the time one of these movies gets made.  However, if Sting were about a
decade younger, and could act (big if, admittedly), I'd go with him; he
has Lestat's arrogance.  Two decades ago, I'd say Malcolm McDowell.

>> 	LEWIS:   CHRISTIAN SLATER, JOHNNY DEPP
>Wasn't it Louis?  And Slater I would have to say no way to.  Too young,
>and not the right type at all.  Depp has a better look for the part, but
>so far the only role where I have seen any ability was _Edward Scissorhands_,
>and that was a character role to say the least.

We concluded that Daniel Day-Lewis would make a good dark and brooding
Louis.

>> 	CLAUDIA: THE GIRL WHO PLAYED WEDNESDAY IN THE ADDAMS FAMILY MOVIE
>Christa Ricci.  She did do a great job as Wendsday.  Damn good choice.

We always figured that either they'd write Claudia out of the story, or
make her far older (and give the part to Winona Ryder :-)  Ricci is a fine
young actress, but again may be too old by the time the film gets made (if
it ever does get made).

>And speaking of Vampire movies, has anyone else heard of the upcoming film 
>starring Robert Loggia as a mobster-vampire?  I'll try to dig up some more
>info on it.  Any theories on why we are getting such a flood of vampire 
>movies recently?  What started it?  _The Lost Boys_?

_The Lost Boys_ came out around the same time as _Near Dark_ and _Fright
Hight_, and together probably gave some screenwriters ideas, but I think
Coppola's stamp of approval on the subject has awakened the studios to the
potential.  I'm looking forward to John Landis's vampire film with Anne
Parillaud (sp? - La Femme Nikita) and Anthony LaPaglia.  Looks like it has
that trademark Landis dark humour.
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