From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (R.L.Taylor KB2OOA)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Manhood, talking tough, posting in t.p.g., life, universe and
Summary: Wymmin, women...who cares??
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:37:50 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <susan.702687861@coombs> susan@coombs.anu.edu.au (Susan McDonald) writes:
>george@cs.purdue.EDU (Michael J. George) writes:

>>If a woman (why do you misspell it?  I'm afraid I've never seen this done
>>before (sheltered me...) ) 

>	I think this newsgroup has been through all this before.

Perhaps Michael is new?

>Its obvious
>that its the correct spelling of the word, after all we are wymmin not
>woMEN, now aren't we?

Obvious to you, perhaps.  But bear in mind that many, probably most,
persons-of-the-non-male-gender aren't hung up on completely dissociating
themselves from men.  Michael, Susan prefers the alternate spelling, so
I propose we grant her the courtesy of using it to refer to her.  But
don't feel you need to use it for all of us.  Those of us with lives :-)
have more important things to worry about.

>>> wymmin 
>>  ^^^^^^-what's wrong with "women"

>	Could it be the suffix?

Maybe it's the generation gap, but I don't see why you girls have such
a hard time with the word "men".  Why do you hate men, Susan?  Why is
it so important not to be like them in any way?  I hate to tell you,
but both men and w-m-n are part of the human (sorry, there's that word
again) race.  We have qualities in common, and we have qualities that
differ (both between the sexes, and between individuals).  Try a little
cooperation sometime - it's been known to work!  And no, cooperation
does not necessarily mean compromise.

>	Wanting equality does not mean that we want to become the _same_ as
>men.  We don't want the male (violent) solution to our problems because all
>it causes in the long run is just more grief and suffering.  Wymmin seek an
>alternative _peaceful_ solution.

According to my dictionary, one definition of sexism is "behavior, conditions
or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex".  Susan,
you're being sexist with this male-violent, wymmin=peaceful attitude.  How
about looking at people as individuals?  Laurie Dann was a very violent
woman;  Ghandi was a very non-violent man.  And there are many, many other
examples who are less well-known.  If you want to argue the merits of
wymmin and the evils of men, perhaps you should look for a newsgroup like
alt.feminism.

>Don't you think its time you lived up
>to your reputation as a "rational thinking human being"?  Or is it the case
>that was simply another male lie propagated by a man?

If you want to talk about lies propagated by men, how about the one that
says that we need to depend on men to protect us, that we're not capable
of taking responsiblity for our own lives?  You know, the things the male
gun-control proponents are trying to get us to believe.

---<--@ ---<--@ ---<--@ ---<--@ ---<--@ ---<--@ ---<--@            *
                                                    _ _ /|      *  *  *
                                Ack Pffft Thwerrp!  \'o.O'       * * *
                                                    =(___)=  * * * O * * *
Roberta Taylor  KB2OOA        | rlt@gummo.att.com      U         * * *
AT&T Bell Labs, Whippany, NJ  |                                 *  *  *
                              | Member, Unorganized Militia of     *
 NRA/CCRKBA/SAF - Life Member |    The People's Republic of        |
   GOA - Annual Member        |          New Jersey              \ |
                                                                  \| /
Would the last American to leave New Jersey please bring the flag? |/
                                                                   |/ 
@----->}  @----->}  @----->}  @----->}  @----->}  @----->}   ______|______