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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:42:57 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
>Which leads to an interesting question.   Why do leftists
>have this strange relationship with coal?   What's so great
>about condemning yet another generation of other people's
>children to a lifetime in a dirty and dangerous environment,
>where they don't even have the satisfaction of working for
>an efficient and profitable industry.

Well, rightists of the old school would know. National
security. With our own coal, we're not at the mercy of whoever
it is we rely on for the stuff. Facing up to Arthur Scargill
was one thing. Facing up to a Polish or South African version
of Mr.Scargill would be another.

You don't expect the army or navy to make a profit, they are
kept in reserve in case they are ever needed. I am saying the
British coal industry is in the same league.

>Oh, wait.   I think I remember the answer.  It's because
>jobs in service industries aren't "real" while jobs in
>mining are.   Wasn't that it?

Oh yes. If the entire British workforce were kept employed
selling imports to each other, or selling each others houses,
we'd get by, wouldn't we? The curent recession has been brought
about because we've just discovered we wouldn't.

Matthew Huntbach
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13192 soc.culture.celtic:6310
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Getting some intelligent discussion going.
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:57:25 GMT
Organization: On the Brew.

In referenced article, cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
>>> Anyone out interested in a soc.culture.scottish newsgroup, or dare I
>>> say discussion forum?
>>What is wrong with discussing these topics in this news group? 
> 
>Assume that we were debating the creation of soc.culture.british.
>There were already two groups, soc.culture.europe, and 
>soc.culture.commonwealth.   British subjects were debating in both.
>Would anyone doubt the creation of a soc.culture.british group?
>
>Is the creation of a scotland group any different?

Doesn't seem that anyone suggested it was (and I'm not sure that
s.c.commonwealth predated s.c.b anyway).  However one of the important
rationales for the creation of a group is high existing traffic in other
less appropriate groups.  I don't think there is that.

Over the years there's certainly been times when it would have been nice if
the Scottish discussions could have been extracted from the, cough,
sectarian issues often "discussed" in s.c.c at great length.  Even then
tentative proposals for a Scottish only group did not meet with success.
Of late, the traffic in s.c.c has been quite balanced (with a few notable
exceptions!)

I'm not against s.c.scottish, but for the Scots to just abandon s.c.c
leaving it to the Irish and other celts is certainly not 100% appropriate,
but neither are all Scottish topics celtic in nature.

I suggest that before this discsussion progresses, the original proposer
should make it an official RFD in news.groups and news.announce.newgroups
or else we're just wasting our breath anyway.
-- 
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13263 rec.arts.books:17227
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:19:13 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Sep29.123615.1648@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

   So, what's the problem? Is the Shagger Pagger a Right Wing Loonie or
   something? Dreadful sexist overtones? Or is it that the Peasantry should
   not have access to the most universal of all writers in English?

The problem is that making the study of Shakespeare's works compulsory is the
most effective way of getting most of the population to loathe them utterly
until the day they die.  It's counter-productive.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13084 soc.culture.europe:8657
From: metceram@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: France, je vous remercie pour l'election d'Anti-Christ
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:43:29 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <25SEP199218141805@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
> In article <25SEP199217541530@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes...
>>In article <qa83hl4@zola.esd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes...
>>>In article <1eyJRB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>>|> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>>>|> 
>>>|>	[The EC, the antiChrist and the price of cheese in
>>>|>	China deleted]
>>>|> 
>>>|>   Certainly NOT from Nostradamus.  BTW  I know the EC is 12, but who said 2
>>>|> states weren't about to drop out??
>>> 
>>>This is all very well, Dave, but seriously, exactly what do you have
>>>against the EC?   Is it really just a religious objection?   If so, 
>>>you're welcome.     But if you really have something concrete to say
>>>about the EC, let's hear it.
>>> 
>>>jon.
>> 
>>You didn't ask the question of me, but I will answer it anyway.  The EC
>>would be fine without the Germans - this has nothing to do with the Tories
>>pathetic attempts to blame the Germans for the mismanagement of the British
>>economy, it just has to do with the fact that the Germans are extremely
>>objectionable people, and I won't support any organisation that requires
>>having contactswith them.
>> 
>>Laurence
>> 
> 
> The above is an apalling generalisation and extremely racist.  What I meant
> to say is that 99% of Germans are extremely objectionable people, while
> the rest are very nice indeed.  Also, I meant to say persons living in
> Germany of German nationality and whose families originate from Germany,
> rather than saying Germans.  There, now it's not a generalisation and
> it's not racist.
> 
"Holier-than-thou" British right-wing snobs are considerably more 
objectionable than modern Germans, who have presided over the creation of
one of the most caring and successful states in the world.
Your appalling assertion (even a smiley would not have mitigated it)
smacks of such arrogant bigotry; its roots clutching for a crumbled and
barbaric empire.
I notice, with relief, that your posting is from the USA. This country
is big enough for all of us. I hope, however, that there will be no space in
the new Europe for such nationalistic claptrap.
Simon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: pault@ossi.com (Paul Taylor)
Subject: Re: Accents (was Re: Abuse a Brit)
Organization: Fujitsu America, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:48:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.133608.3915@pixel.kodak.com> dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>Henk Jonkers (h.jonkers@et.tudelft.nl) wrote:
>: I'm not a Brit, but since about a year I can tell the difference (after
>: a Canadian explained to me how to). But I'd still like to find out how
>: to tell apart an Australian and a New Zealand accent.
>: 
>Smelling the speaker's breath is a good way....
>
>But I digress.  Look out for the treatment of the short 'i'.  The NZ
>accent (or at least those I've encountered) modifies this to something
>more like a short 'u', so look out for 'it' sounding like 'ut', etc.
>
>Of course, NZ is a long thin country with a gap in the middle, which
>would tend to foster strong regional accents, so I may have heard only
>the Otago variant...
>
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>||Dave Jones (dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com) | Eastman Kodak Co. Rochester, NY   |

I was lucky enough to visit NZ and Aus. I noticed that the area around
Christchurch has an dialect that included scottish words. The ones I can
remember were "wee" and "dram". I think "scotch" came in as well -:).
The accent was much smmother than in Aus.

But what I did find was that the people were remarkably friendly. They
could not understand what a "Bloody Pom" was doing with a bunch of
"Goddamed Yanks".

I saw a wonderful tee shirt in Christchurch which read something like
"New Zealand consists of 5 million sheep, 1 million of whom think they
human beings" -:)
-- 
  Paul Taylor pault@ossi.com
"Sometimes you get the bear, and other times the bear gets you.
I think we have just been gotten"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Organization: sgi
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 04:08:15 GMT

In article <92Oct05.030509.28371@acs.ucalgary.ca>, quigley@acs.ucalgary.ca (Martyn Thomas Quigley) writes:
|> 
|> I must be missing something here.  Do playwrights write plays to be
|> acted or to be read?  Do you read opera?  Do you read film scores?  

Yes, you are missing something.   People do read this stuff.   My
local bookstore has an entire section of Opera scores.

|> Laban?  Stockhausen?  To be really insulting, do you read synchronised 
|> swimming scripts, and let your 'imagination' provide the performance? 

I don't know about synchronized swimming, but people write books
about competitive swimming and diving, and other people read them.
 
|> Oh dear.  I had the misfortune to grow up 20 minutes from Stratford and
|> to be routinely dragged off to the RSC once each term.  How I hated it.
|> I thought West Side Story was a great improvement on R&J.  But I hated
|> that too.

Curiously, I've never seen a live performance of R & J, but was 
given the play one Christmas, and loved it.   De gustibus.

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Words: American vs English (UK type)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:05:35 GMT

In article <venable.164@faculty.coe.wvu.wvnet.edu>, venable@faculty.coe.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wallace Venable) writes:
> In article <26432@castle.ed.ac.uk> cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
> 
> >>Truck vs. Lory
> 
> >>Can anyone help me? 
> 
> >Ok. In English a Lory is a large Australasian parrot with a brushlike
> >tongue. What is it called in America? I thought in America a truck was
> >a large goods vehicle?
> >-- 
> 
> 	In America, a large goods vehicle is usually a "semi."

Alright! Now we are getting somewhere, In the UK a semi is a type of house.
I wonder how long it will take to get back to truck.

Simon.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13503 soc.culture.celtic:6439
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:43:45 GMT
Organization: On the Brew.

In an article in soc.culture.british, firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:
>Bard, yes; even National Bard of Scotland, at a stretch.  But Burns a
>poet?  Pull the other one - by that standard, the dude who writes the
>stuff in Hallmark greeting cards is the world's best known poet.

Okay, instead of the Burns fans going on the defensive, why don't _you_
post some examples, let's say "My love is like a red, red, rose" or "A
man's a man for a' that" and give us a critique justifying these opinions.
-- 
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(514) 630 3749    |  ray@philmtl.philips.ca  or  ..uunet!sobeco!philmtl!ray
From: strick@athena.cs.uga.edu (Sandra Strickland)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Canterbury
Keywords: Family History
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:10:54 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens



Hi,

  I'm tracing my family history (Rigden), and they seem have been (perhaps 
still are) centered in Kent, especially Canterbury- I'm working in the period
1640-1740 right now.  Could someone please tell me what an In-sister and a 
Corrody In-sister in a
hospital would have been (a nun/nurse?)- Also do the following places still 
exist?  If so, is there anything notable about them?:

   In Canterbury:  Petham, Sandwich, Hedcorne, Nether Hardres(interpretation?),
   All Saints, Elmston- Knowing very little about England, I'm not sure if 
   these would have been houses or districts-

   In Kent:  Stewting, Wye, Faversham and Fordwich.


   In London, what sort of area is (would have been in  the mid 1700s) the 
   area between (I think) The London Wall, Moorgate, Threadneedle and the 
   Thames?
   
       Any help you can give me will be appreciated very much.  

	      Thank you in advance-

			  Sandra
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: streater@unixjr.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater)
Subject: Re: Some of my best friends are speculators
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:13:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.162207.7765@rz-berlin.mpg.de> gray@rz-berlin.mpg.de
(Struan) writhes and wriggles:
>
>> 
>> Three out of ten, boy, try harder next time.
>
>  Oh I say!  That was a bit below the belt, what?  If my sang were its
>

[ Pedantic Parliamentary Perambulation, Possibly Pabulum, Purged. ]

>  Sir, not only can you not count, but you are a bounder to boot.
>
Curses! Discovered!!

An exceedingly witty contribution, worthy of Mr. Wilson at his finest.

Tin (seducer of damsels, brownnoser extraordinaire of Governments,
     spender of dollars)
From: hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: France, je vous remercie pour l'election d'Anti-Christ
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:41:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: yuma.Sep30.224154.4519
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <1992Sep30.201218.3468@ttinews.tti.com> jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson) writes:
>
>=
>
>I totally disagree. There are far too many mealy-mouthed hypocrites like
>me poncing around ever so politely in this group. While I disagree with
>almost everything young Laurence says, I love the way he says it. What
>a refreshing change. People reading soc.*.BRITISH should certainly not be
>troubled by him.
>
>Dick Jackson


I believe the implication of this is that public bigotry should be
tolerated by we hard-nosed Brits.  Well, we certainly have the nouse
to ignore the old fort (sp?), it seems most people switch him off mentally 
or Kill-file-wise after one or two exchanges.  Afraid I did.

Unfortunatly this is a public medium and a Japanese student was
offended, disillusioned etc only recently.  This strikes me as
unnecessary.  Intellectual discussion does nor need to be
provoked by ignorance.  LG seems to be pleased when he generates
static on the bandwidth.

An ego is a terrible thing to strut.

Hugh
Not a CSU spokesthing.
D
A
offended only recently.
--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Abuse A Brit (was Re: Pardon my ignorance and such)
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:02:41 GMT

In article <21780625@otter.hpl.hp.com> arf@otter.hpl.hp.com (Andrew Farmer) writes:
>
>In soc.culture.british, agc@bmdhh298.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes:
>
>> Is English unusually rich in these terms of abuse?
>
>       I have no idea if it's true but I do remember reading once that
> the British have more slang terms of abuse for other races/nation-
> alities than any other nation.....
>

	For numbers of abusive terms in general, try Russian (noted also for
	compactness).  As xenophobic as they tend to be, I would expect that
	the language is equally rich in racial slurs (e.g. SPID, the Russian
	acronym for AIDS has been adopted as a term of abuse for black
	Africans.).

	Incidentally, is there any record of "Sassenach (sing. or pl.?)
	being used as a term of approbation.

	Alec Chambers.
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: London Penpal
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:32:42 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <qmh65dk@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
=>In article <1992Oct4.131537.9193@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
=>|> In article <1992Oct1.130020.20@newton.hartwick.edu>, wendtr@newton.hartwick.edu writes:
=>|> > 
=>|> >  I just got accepted into the London Semester at London Polytechnic through
=>|>                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
=>|> > Beaver College. I will be in London from early January to late June (possibly
=>|>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
=>|> > later). It would be great to hear from some people in that area, and maybe
=>|> > start a penpal thing going. Please respond or e- mail me at 
=>|> > Wendtr@Hartwick.edu. I will be eternally grateful.
=>|> > 
=>|> 
=>|> What do these things mean? I don't recognise anything here ...
=>
=>At a guess, it's an American College offering a semester of study
=>in the buildings of a British College out of term time.   There 
=>are ads for such things from time to time.    I've often been 
=>tempted to try it myself as a bizarre and twisted kind of holiday.
=>
=>I think that some candidate for President in 1988 (was it Pat
=>Robertson?) boasted of having gone to Oxford and they dug up
=>that he'd actually spent six weeks there one Summer.

Are you sure you aren't thinking of Jeffrey Archer??

-- 
=======Jeremy Henderson========jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk===============
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: Alan.Wigodski@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Alan Wigodski)
Subject: Seeking British Penpal
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:01:31 GMT

Hi, I'm a yank who just spent the summer living in London, and traveling
Britain.  Since returing to the states, I've found that I desperately miss
Britain.  I'm looking for some penpals to keep me from being to
"home-sick", and to possible trade some stuff.


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From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:34:39 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1992Oct1.103333.9759@osf.org> sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
>The one thing missing here is why these are natural monopolies. 

Well, I *think* my point is supply-related.  E.g. if I don't like the
quality of my water, I can't simply go out and tell some other company
that I'd prefer theirs, so would they please come out and move my
connection to their mains.

>The main thing is to stop monopolies
>which are fundamentally problematical and the biggest weakness to all the
>Conservative Party privatizations which solve the national ownership
>problem but have rarely introduced real competition.

Ah, I agree totally with that, with the minor exception that I don't
believe that you can sensibly 'stop' them in all areas -- eg. water,
see above.  Sounds like we differ on what's the best way to get there.
Similarly, I agree roughly with your comment on transport
infrastructure planning (which we could desperately use some of, by the
way) but suspect we differ in details of whether the government could
most sensibly run some of them, and which.


-- 
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From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:51:27 GMT
Organization: Clarkson University

From article <qh2sumk@zola.esd.sgi.com>, by livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey):
> 
> Which leads to an interesting question.   Why do leftists
> have this strange relationship with coal?   What's so great
> about condemning yet another generation of other people's
> children to a lifetime in a dirty and dangerous environment,
> where they don't even have the satisfaction of working for
> an efficient and profitable industry.
> 
> jon. 
>
>

Because mining is an excellent example of how Capital exploits workers
at the expense of their lives, and continues to do so to-day in the US.
I would suggest that Big Money and the Government butt-out. Let the
miners themselves decide where or not they are willing to risk their
lives to make whatever money they can get, but also if a profit is
turned they should also be the ones who decide how that profit should be
distributed.

												GW
From: wendtr@newton.hartwick.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: London Penpal
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:06:08 -0500
Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE

In article <1992Oct4.131537.9193@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.130020.20@newton.hartwick.edu>, wendtr@newton.hartwick.edu writes:
>> 
>>  I just got accepted into the London Semester at London Polytechnic through
>                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Beaver College. I will be in London from early January to late June (possibly
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> later). It would be great to hear from some people in that area, and maybe
>> start a penpal thing going. Please respond or e- mail me at 
>> Wendtr@Hartwick.edu. I will be eternally grateful.
>> 
> 
> What do these things mean? I don't recognise anything here ...
> 
> Jason
> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Rachel

> I'm not sure what you mean. I am currently a student in New York State, 
> and just got accepted into a program that Beaver College (an American 
> college in Pennsylvania). They call it the London Semester program, and I
> will be taking classes at what they call London Polytechnic Institutes. 
> I have been corrected that this is not the proper name anymore. 
> Does this help?? If not I'll try to answer any questions you have, as best
> I can.
>     Rachel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Organization: University of Waterloo Math Faculty Computing Facility, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:28:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.204907.262@ncar.ucar.edu> chucks@uars2.acd.ucar.edu (Chuck Smythe) writes:
>
>My younger brother, while doing Hamlet in high school, was using a Penguin
>text of his own rather than the Gov't Issue one. During readings, he kept   
>noticing that people left out lines.  At length, he borrowed a school edition,
>located something like -was it 200-? omissions, and passed the list on to
>the class.  They immediately all became Shakespeare fans.  Except the blue
>noses, of course...
>
Although it is not apropos...

    "...And we built the fastest sailing ship that ever sailed the sea
     And if that was called Bluenose, that's good enough for me.
    
     My father was a Bluenose, and his dad though-and-through,
     My mother she's a Bluenose, and her mother's mother too.
     We live in Nova Scotia where the sea and sky are blue,
     And when they call us Bluenose, we're gold-danged proud they do."

                              -- Stompin' Tom Connors

Now THAT's literature.
Now THAT's culture.

Adrian.
arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca