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From: fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Most Astounding Recovery
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:35:06 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Organization: Biochemistry&Biophysics, UC Davis

Hi,
	Have any of you noticed that many of the Marvel characters are really
resilient.  Not to speak poorly of PAD but I noticed in the last issue of 
the X-Factor/Hulk crossover in the Incredible Hulk that Havok got blasted 
miles through the air and slammed into the ground hard enough to make a
hole approximately 25 to 30 feet across.  In the next scene we see Havok
struggling in bonds, appearing just a bit shaken with a lot of torn clothes
but not really hurt.  Now this is the question:  How come Havok isn't near
death?  I haven't done the calculations for how much force is required to
displace this much soil but I'm sure it is enough force to puree' an average
person.  I never read anywhere that he had mutant healing abilities or was
invulnerable.  I see this sort of thing where a mutant will be slammed into a
building and pop up with torn clothes a bit of blood trickling from the lips
and a scowl on the face.  But I also see quite a bit of the slam into the 
building, lie unconscious, blood trickling from the lips, and team mate
coddling the victims head crying/screaming/scowling.  Now I am wondering
what is going on here?  Either one of the following is occuring:
		-  Many mutant's mutant powers carry with them a yet
		   unmentioned invulnerability or healing factor.
		-  The mutants that slam into stuff and pop up just know
		   how to take a hit.  Kind of like a boxer but instead of
		   gloves its buildings.
		-  I'm misinformed and those guys that can slam into 
		   buildings actually do have invulnerability or healing
		   abilities.
		-  Marvel's editorial staff lets this stuff slip by because
		   it makes for more exciting/dramatic reading.  I mean if
		   nobody got slammed into anything it would be rather boring
		   Kind of like WWF wrestling without the suplexes.   And if
		   guys didn't get up after being slammed into stuff it would
		   make for really short series runs :-).
	
	Please don't get me wrong.  I just used PAD's work as an example
because its the most recent case of this that I have read.  I would rank 
PAD's work amongst the top 3 at Marvel.


					Thanks,
					Mike Oda
					fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu

PS.  Thanks for the positive and mature responses to the abortion in comics
     question I posted a while back.

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From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: X-Factor Annual - a look into the future?
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:47:42 GMT
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Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I've probably missed the discussion of this already, so at 
the risk of getting flamed, I'll start a discussion on the Guido 
short story that is in this year's X-Factor annual. Spoilers follow.

It seems really obvious to me that the little blond kid is supposed
to be Calvin (of Calvin and Hobbes) when he's 12 or 13. Susie makes
an appearance in the first few panels, and isn't "Mo" the bully that
shakes Cal down? 

Anyway, I don't think Calvin would turn out to be so mercenary - 
would he really use Guido to shake down his former tormentors? 
All in all this was a pretty good story, though. 
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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: Rogue and Cyclops Questions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:23:20 GMT

donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:

>Ok, but why... I just proposed the theory, but no one who has shot it down has
>tol me why a telepath of some power (Like Charles) could not hold Rogue off.

>David.

	Here goes...

	The way that I've seen Rogue's power to work is: when she comes into
physical contact with someone else (it'll work as long as it's physical; only
body armor that isn't part of the person is immune; if it is skin, the power
works) her body takes a reading of that person's RNA.  It then tells Rogue's
body how to duplicate those powers.  Her power is also a "physical telepathy"
that takes the other person's consciousness and places it inside Rogue's head.
The third part of her power is that it if that transfer works, the person
touched is rendered unconscious.

	Now, the victim can resist in two ways.  One way is simply not to
get touched.  Touching someone through clothes won't work (or Rogue will 
get all of the powers an mentality of Spandex, you make the call).  Another way
is to have a will much stronger than Rogue's.  Now Rogue apparently doesn't
have that strong a will, but if your mind is floating around in hers, you're
at a definite disadvantage.

	This explains why someone that has a strong will cannot just brush
aside the transfer.  If touched, they will get absorbed, but they will be in
control of Rogue's body.  This is also why I think that Rogue will
(unwillingly) be the X-Traitor thingie.  Gambit's will is stronger, Gambit 
touches Rogue (like he's been trying to ALL ALONG), Gambit/Rogue destroys
X-Men by surprise...Voila!!!

Take care...


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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: dr.doom
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:13:39 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr6.205314.24441@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>	Sorry for that previous post.  Editor trouble. :(
>
>In article <1992Apr6.204710.22602@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>>In article <5APR199220030943@rigel.tamu.edu> djh4535@rigel.tamu.edu (HARRIS, DUANE J) writes:
>>>i was wondering is thier any info on why doc doom is always shown in his
>>>old armor lately when he has that really bad silver futuristic type one.
>>>(as seen at the end of the war between kristoff and the rogue doombot)
>>>they never really done much with that story line either.
>>>if i've missed a issue where these are explained then please tell me which.
>>>thanx
>>>		d.j.loki seth I
>>
>>
>
>	Well, Doom has a history of using robot doubles.  It is quite possible
>that we haven't seen the real Doom for some time now.  Besides, if you were the
>mad monarch of Latveria, would you dirty your shiny nice armor when robots
>could take care of pesky super-types?    :)
>		IMHO, but it don't make it no less true,
>				Raythrax

Actually, "Raythrax," (if that is your real name), when Dr. Doom appeared 
in that new futuristic type armor, he suggested that ALL the appearances of
Dr. Doom after Fantastic Four #5 were just robots, and that the real Doom
hadn't appeared for almost 30 years.  And the amazing part is, this was
BEFORE Tom "Alicia was really a Skrull when she married Johnny" DeFalco
came by.  In fact, that was when Walt Simonson was on the book, if I 
remember correctly.  Strange.
From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: GROO
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:23:13 GMT
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma

On the subject of Groo, Wasn't Rufferto a lot smarter when he first
appeared?  He's acting much more like a stupid dog now.

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From: stougheric@bvc.edu (The Wease)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVEL: Re: X-notes, X-traitor
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:36:35 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

> Actually, "Raythrax," (if that is your real name, which I doubt), I have
> seen "The Master" (actually, I saw the "Master Ninja II" episode of
> "Mystery Science Theater 3000," but that's beside the point).  The point
> I was making was that Psylocke was white, British, and in no way resembled
> a ninja.  Then she goes through the Seige Perilous, winds up with the
> Hand, and suddenly she's an Oriental ninja!  How'd that happen?
> 
> And, please, I'm a big "Bloom County" fan.  Never call a Lee Van Cleef 
> movie an opus.  Please.
-- 

	Well, a series of events came about before she became 'an
Oriental ninja'...when she 'wound' up on Earth with her memory all
screwy (the apparant after effects of going thru the Siege Perilious)
she was found by the Hand...they deduced who she was and began 
training, and brainwashing, her to serve them...they made her their 
master assassin...and trained her in new techniques for her telepathy.
But after an encounter with Wolvie, her true memory was restored, 
but she is still physically oriental...Forge was remarking on a way to
return her to normal, but said it sould be VERY difficult, stating
that the Hand used magic as well as science to make her this way...

	Hope it helps...

	Wease


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From: 910252m@ace.acadiau.ca (DWAYNE ALLAN MAC KINNON)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Claremont
Summary: Why?
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:05:07 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

Yo guys,

     Since most of you seem to be more in touch with the comics world then I 
am, (I am a university student on a VERY tight budget), could anyone tell me 
why Chris Claremont has stopped doing ANYTHING for Marvel? I recently had a 
chance to talk to him (in March, at Wolfcon V) and when I asked him what he 
had planned for the future, everything he talked about was DC. I checked 
out a few things afterwards, and found out he left the X-Men. What's going 
on? (In case you're wondering, the only reason I'm asking this now is that I'
m new to the net. I only found it two days ago.)

Stick

"A fan of all Canucks in Marvel comics {especially the runt with the bad 
attitude.}"
From: gunthar@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: GROO
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:04:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax1.1992Apr6.100445.1667
Organization: Mankato State University

I stoped gettting GROO since the price jump.  Stupid hummor is okay at 
a buck  a pop, but not at 2.50.  Unless, that is, they are doing stuff the
quality of the puppet-show issue.  Parody of the de-evolution of television
is more high brow hummor than I'd expected from GROO.

Have they done anything better than just stories of Groo running around
clueless?

G.
------
"Happy no-Groo day!"
From: v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris Nasipak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Gambit Beaten
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:35:00 GMT
Organization: United Nations Intelligence Taskforce
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Well, Shaw is dead, as I recall.  Juggernaut should certainly be able to take
the little Cajun, tho.  

Also, in the "Muir Island" bit, Maddrox (Multiple Man (?)) totally trashed
Gambit and his "little deck of cards".

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From: mcollins@isis.cs.du.edu (The One and Only Killans)
Subject: MUTANT: A new tack on the X-Judas        
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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 15:52:26 GMT


(Re: The Arthurian theory of the future of the X-Men).

It's an interesting idea, although I'd say the Arthurian concept has been
done well enough in both Excalibur and Pendragon, and I doubt it would be
done to the same standard in X-Men as in those titles. A

I think you've missed one obvious possibilty...you said that Mordred was
the son of Arthur, now if Cyclops in Arthur, then remember Cyclops and
Jeannie have a son in their own timeline....and given the things that have
been said before on this newsgroup, need I say more?

Mike
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Youngblood I
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:34:54 GMT

Youngblood is late -- big surprise.

I guess it's safe to conclude that rob 501 won't be doing both this
and X-Force... too slow.

Which is probably good, but why didn't he stay with Marvel? 

Scott
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: LSH: :SPOILERS : Disposable characters
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:14:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: jyusenky.1992Apr9.221458.19588
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.

In article <1992Apr9.152056.1289@wkuvx1.bitnet> charyma@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>And also, JIM SHOOTER went on record that a charater he *WROTE* is GAY?!!
>I don't whether to laugh at the irony or be apalled at the temerity.

He also wrote a gay character in one of the comics put out by Valiant.
(All I know is that it's not Solar, which is the only one I read).

There are suspicions that the anti-gay policy at Marvel was _not_ instigated
by shooter....
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From: davis@gauss.enet.dec.com (Peter Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: WANTED: Out-of-print books on cartoons, cartooning, comics
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:56:58 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I have a small (but growing, I hope) collection of books on cartooning and
comics.  If you have any older, possibly out-of-print books on these subjects,
and you're interested in selling any, please let me know.  I'm looking for
books on the history of comic strips, on individual comic strip artists, on
writing and creating comic strips, and also on cartooning in general and on
individual cartoonists.

Thanks.

                   /
                  /
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From: maguire@chopin.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Subject: Re: Broken Claws (was Re: adamantium)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:18:05 GMT


I'm going to offer Mutant Speculation just to try and end this thread.

You don't have to break any adamantium to remove one of Wolverine's claws
from his body.  They are not continuous extensions of his forearms, but 
separate units that slide in and out of housing from his forearms.  Somewhere
at their base, they must only be attached to the muscles or mechanisms that 
extend and retract them.

Similarly, you could remove his entire forearm by grabbing on either side of 
elbow and pulling real hard.  No adamantium would have to be broken, only 
catrilage, muscle, tendons and skin.


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From: charyma@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: The Shadow Strikes!
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:16:14 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Apr13.145536.4110@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) writes:
 
> That's what I love about Batman; each artist has a different interpretation, 
> almost like they are giving visual narrative about something they personally
> witnessed, but due to their own personal view, have biased in the telling.
> Bisley's Batman vs. Dredd comes to mind; people complained about the
> hyper-muscular Batman, but ask any dozen people who may have seen the Batman
> in action and they'll give you a dozen different descriptions.  Just like each 

Yeah, the last time I saw Bats in action he looked really thin like he was
made of ink drawn on paper or something;)
> artist.  Same goes for the Batmobile; almost everytime I pick up a new Batman 
> issue, it seems there's a stylistically new Batmobile.  Do *you* know anyone 
> who has the time to hold down a head the one of the world's largest corporations, 
> keep up a steady series of philanthropic and social appearances, spend every 
> nightime hour in the guise of the worlds' greatest detective in pursuit of the 
> vilest criminals *and* turn out new Batmobiles at a rate that would impress 
> Iaccoca?  I didn't think so.  It's the same Batmobile.   :-)
> 
> d-
>  ___       
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> ||  |\__\___     Neuroscience Graduate Program and Center for Visual Science  
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From: blackout@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jason Robert Perry)
Subject: Re: Long Awaited X-Men Cards
Summary: New character is...
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:49:47 GMT

Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Keywords: 

	I've put together the whole set and the only "new" character
appears to be Mojo II.  You see his form in shadow only in the Uncanny
annual this year.
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: LSH: :SPOILERS : Disposable characters
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:37:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.#frj39b.dani
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

js06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Lee Smith):
>> I think the issue after the issue where Shvaugh becomes a man. 
>What in God's name is there justification for this?

She's doing it to make Jan happy...

Let's just say that this isn't being done in response to a flood
of fan mail demanding the change.
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: REVIEWS: Footnotes to SANCTUARY, DARE, LEGENDS o/t DARK KNIGHT, HULK
Summary: Very, very brief reviews/no spoilers
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:41:12 GMT
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control

A few choice words on...

LEGENDS OF THE DARK KNIGHT/"Faces":  This is, without a doubt, the worst
thing of Matt Wagner's that I've ever read.  "Poor Nelson... A hapless
victim of vanity, envy and a world that operated beyond his grasp."  Wow --
A Quinn-Martin production!  Now if only we could get Karl Malden in a
bat-suit...  

[OK, I did like the punchline, but $5.25 is over-charging for the
privilege.]

SANCTUARY #1:  Say, it's just like a Hong Kong gangster pic... except in
still frame.  I just love how they have sound effects for things like
staring and scowling.  It'd be perfect for MST3K: "Crotch shot: I'm huge!" 

[All good clean fun if you like gangster films.  However, Ikegami's style is
 getting a touch pedantic, methinks.]

DARE #1:  Fully engrossing; 5 years ago, it would have been the talk of the
town.  But you've seen this type of revision before (the funeral is pure
deja vu), though it's worth the attention and $$ of any Dan Dare fan.  (Can
anyone familiar with my clean-cut, public school face doubt my feelings
about Dan?)

INCREDIBLE HULK #253:  Brilliant.  Absolutely brilliant.

"Apple and Cinnaman", I mean.  Minimalist storytelling, at it's best.

[Actually, I had a grand old time with the first part of the annual.  Grin
 city.]

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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: BOOKS:Good Omens-Gaiman&Pratchett
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 05:14:02 GMT

I know this isn't comics, but if you liked Good Omens
You'll probably adore the book _Practical Demonkeeping_, by Christopher
Moore.

From the dust jacket (and for once it's accurate):

"Okay, Stephen King, Douglas Adams, and H.P. Lovecraft go to a Frank
Capra Movie (It's a Wonderful Life).  Thus inspired, they write a book
entitled Practical Demonkeeping.  That's my theory."
	--Tim Cahill, author of Road Fever: A High-Speed Travelogue.

Seriously, it's easily as good as any of the Adams books or Good Omens,
but it's plotted flawlessly.
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