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From: erik@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Erik VanRiper)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Re^2: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:35:55 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

In article <2ie4PB2w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

>> But it's a sily debate because:
>> 
>> 1. MooSe-DOS uses 2K-4K clusters whereas UNIX uses 512byte blocks. That means
>>    that a 1500 byte large message (which is typical for my FidoNet system,
>>    which has a *.MSG message base) wastes 500-2500 bytes as it always fits in
>>    one cluster. The same message would waste only a few bytes on my Linux
>>    machine.
>
>My whole point, but not quite exactly.  I was under the impression that most
>PC BBS systems do not store messages as in a single-message-per-file format,
>but rather in a database of some more sophisticated means of disk space
>management, and I felt that the post to which I responded was actually
>referring to this distinction.
>
>Any BBS that keeps its messages or conferences database in an indexed flat file
>would have improved disk space characteristics over even the best Unix file
>system.  If one takes that one step further and compresses the actual contents
>of the message (requiring a dedicated reader, of course), then the size of the
>message database will have been significantly reduced.
>
>This is, in point of fact, the exact scenario for several MS-DOS (and other
>OS's) bulletin board systems.

Yes, MOST DOS based BBS systems have some sort of database and flat-file
format.  What the human above was talking about (the *.MSG message bases) 
obviously has NOT done any recent homework, or is using very outdated
software.

Just makeing things clear to those who also may not know.

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: jerryg@ssd.intel.com (Jerry Gaiser)
Subject: BBS's for Linux
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:53:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.181608.5713@u.washington.edu> mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
>
> But I have yet to see decent BBS software that has been ported to Linux.

Actually, Waffle has been ported to Linux. Don't know how you define 'decent'
but it's a pretty good product.
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        Fidonet: 1:105/380
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: cn451156@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Christopher Norman)
Subject: Re: 16550 uart chips question
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 23:27:26 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College
Keywords: chip

In article <baloo.715548805@mik.uky.edu> baloo@mik.uky.edu (kevin s coupal) writes:
>  I have been considering buying a new serial card for my computer.  I have a 14.4 modem and run a multitasker.  I sometimes lose characters when downloading.  Wil this chip really stop that?
>
>Kevin
>:

Yes it is sometimes hard to get good transfers even if you aren't multi-tasking
when doing high speed transfers.  The 16550 has internal buffering that lets 
your processor catch up to the incoming/outgoing data that your modem requires.


Chris

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From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS's for Linux
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:05:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug28.050553.8341
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society

In article <1992Aug27.175328.10948@SSD.intel.com> jerryg@ssd.intel.com (Jerry Gaiser) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.181608.5713@u.washington.edu> mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
>>
>> But I have yet to see decent BBS software that has been ported to Linux.
>
>Actually, Waffle has been ported to Linux. Don't know how you define 'decent'
>but it's a pretty good product.

 That's news to me. It hadn't been as of a few months ago. Part of my BBS
runs on a waffle.

Wassail,
Al Billings

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From: wolfman@pdnfido.fidonet.org (aram mirzadeh)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.allsysop.alt.bbs.internet
Subject: * MAJOR BBS *
Date: 3 Sep 92 06:52:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix


I'm currently a sysop on a Glacticom Major BBS v6.0.  We have been doing
our own modifications to the system... and I was wondering if there is 
specific news group, or mailing list that I could apply to.  Also if 
others are willing I was willing to trade ideas, and code for the system.

I had posted a message about connecting the MBBS program to internet. As now
that the rules and regulations have softened a bit.  Here is a basic
idea:   
 
1)You need to have a standalong system..(preferably unix) and hooking the
    MBBS system to this system as a dial-up.
2)You need about $250 to the internet connection, and monthly phone charges.
3)You'll have to connect the nearest location (usually State colleges, or 
   large universities) to get a live-connection.

Wolfman
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) 24hrs.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:45:32 GMT

In article <BtsqFJ.LEE@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>slewis@whitebase.ukp.com (Scott Lewis) writes:
>
>>larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>
>>> Ok, allow Coherent now, QNX tommorrow, OS2 next month, DOS next year
>>> (of course with the unix tools like ls, grep, etc..) -- maybe a DOS
>>> machine that has SMTP/NNTP should be included today?
>
>>        What's wrong with Coherant in the list.  Sure, DOS, OS/2 and others 
>>shouldn't completed, that's not UNIX or UNIX compatible.  Coherant is a UNIX 
>>compatible OS.
>
>Well, QNX now is posix compatible and will compile posix compatible
>UNIX code, so maybe it should be included as well?
>
>How about UNIX shells for DOS?  These are Unix compatible -- and maybe
>they should be included as well.
>
	Hold on people...step back a little.  This whole thread started
with one snivelling sys admin running a site in Atlanta who couldn't
get published in nixpub because of his policies.  It has degenerated
to a 'my OS is better then yours' fight.  Funny how one person can
have this affect on so many 'respectful' people :((

	Throughout all of the arguements and flames, I have not
or do not remember seeing Phil pop his head out...I would like
to see a 'policy' statement from him.  Maybe a posting to go
with his other two (short and long nixpub) detailing policies
as well as a submission form would be nice?  Then, if John
wants to, let him start up a seperate list with the same, a
detailed policy listing to go with it.  There are probably
enough sites like Dixie.com that operate the same way that
he should get a sizeable list going...and I bet even some of
the sites that are currently on nixpub submit to John's list
as well to increase exposure??

	It is when these threads degenerate to this extent
that I truely wonder who is in charge of this net, adults or
children??  

Marc
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Etobicoke, Ontario    | 416-249-5366   24hrs 7 days/week   network email
voice: 249-4230       | shell/feed accounts available   1800+ newsgroups
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Reply-To: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 18:57:47 GMT

In article <Btqzrt.6y5@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
>
>>Coherent is a multi-user multitasking OS that, by all accounts, bears more
>>than a passing resemblance to Unix V7. Virtually any Unix user, given a
>>Coherent shell on a character-based terminal, wouldn't realise they weren't
>>on Unix. The only thing not-Unix about Coherent is the price - I don't
>
>Virtually any user would be able to tell that they were not running
>real UNIX when their favorite applications like Word Perfect, dBase or
>Lotus would not run.  They would also be able to tell when there were no

I've been using Unix and clones for about 7 years now, and have never
seen a single fellow user use Lotus, dBase or (god forbid) Word Perfect.
Maybe you're confusing Unix with DOS?  The programs you mention are merely
extremely expensive hand-holding extras.  They certainly don't ship with
any standard Unix distribution.

>ports available on the machine, since very few if any of the multiport
>vendors (ie: Digiboard, etc) support unix clones -- after all why should
>they?

Funnily enough, I'm posting this from a 486/50 with 10 modem lines and
a couple of spare terminals.  If you don't know anything about Unix,
please don't post about it.
>
>-- 
>Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
>keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry


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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committ
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:24:53 GMT

Yes, programs like UFGATE can get net messages into TBBS and many other
systems -- but at what cost?

Most of these boards have tremendous limitations in their messaging
systems.   25 character From lines.   40 character (or less) subject lines.
"To:" lines that refer to the BBS concept that one would post a public
board message that was to somebody instead of for the general audience.
And no other header lines, except stored in the body, so no ability
to handle all the things the meaningful header lines say.
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:02:00 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <5wdnkzc@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

>kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:

>>Oh, this is utter nonsense. First, I've never seen Phil state anywhere that
>>his list is "comprehensive". Furthermore, he doesn't have to disclaim
>>squat. His list, his editing criteria, his bias. Clearly understood by
>>everyone (except you, apparently) who picks it up and reads it.

>Yeah?  Then why do I get a fairly steady stream of people asking me why
>dixie.com is not on the list?  

Gee, I don't know.  Why do you?

[And if they already know about you, what's your problem?  Besides the
obvious one, I mean.]

>>Since the list is tailored for people looking for a BBS, I see no reason to
>>include non-BBS's in it. I see Phil placeing Gwinnette.COM in the list
>>as about as helpful as listing Compuserve's phone number in it. Alot of
>>good Gwinnette's phone number does for someone with a modem looking for
>>a place to read news and mail.

>I must have missed where phil's list states that it is only for people
>looking for a BBS.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  At least in this area,
>people who ask for "public access" are looking for a site to get news
>and mail.  BBSing is an optional extra.  

Uh, don't look now, but news IS a 'BBS'.  Unless you've redefined that
word, too, as you did with 'public access' having to be UNIX.

>>MD
>>Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
>>Subject: Re: Setting some of Bush/Quayle's lies straight...
>>References: <1992Aug25.160219.6206@rock.concert.net>

>>black@jazz.concert.net (Rob Black) writes:

>>>The Truth: Clinton's plan would raise taxes ONLY on people making more than
>>>$200,000 per year. Apparently President Bush doesn't know anyone who has a
>>>job that pays less than $200,000.

>Looks like you have as much trouble with the physical act of posting as
>you do formulating a rational argument.

Oh, like wow, John, I'm like, uh, really IMPRESSED by this kind of,
uh, correction, yeah, that's it, correction.

If you're not concerned about 'BBSing' and you don't think news is a
'BBS', why are you posting your drivel to two bbs newsgroups?

[Speaking of people who don't understand news . . . ]


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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: dmittleman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: BBSes in 716 area code (Niagara County)
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:57:00 GMT
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug26.154831.11854@leland.Stanford.EDU>, jfriday@westmark.Stanford.EDU (The Crazy Archivist) writes...
> 
>I'm looking for BBSes in the 716 area code (only Niagara County) with
>a USENET connection.  A friend of mine lost access to a Erie County BBS
>on Internet and now cannot read USENET anymore.
> 
    I am looking for an Erie County BBS with internet access (Nixpub does
    not list any) as I want to get my parents set up to trade e-mail with
    me.  Can anyone put me in touch with a provider?

===========================================================================
daniel david mittleman     -     danny@arizona.edu     -     (602) 621-2932
From: dclunie@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (David Clunie)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.unixbbs
Subject: Terminal servers for Unix BBS (on sun)
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:38:15 GMT
Organization: Her Master's Voice


I am seeking advice on what sort of terminal server or multi-serial
board to buy for a sun sparcstation to be setup as a public
access unix system ... the ability to run things like ppp and slip
and X25 through the server would be nice, as well as the abiltiy to
handle incoming faxes from modems like the Supra Fax modem which
provide unique result codes on aswering an incoming fax which
obviously doesn't have the ability to "rlogin" or anything !

Any experience with devices whether they are SBUS,SCSI or Ethernet
based would be appreciated.

-- 
David Clunie (dclunie@itd.adelaide.edu.au)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.unixbbs
From: opus@pioneer.unm.edu (Colby Kraybill)
Subject: Re: BBS software for Coherent
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 06:00:50 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility

In article <Btwz5o.1HH@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>
>but real unix is supported more than coherent.  Coherent is aimed
>at hobbists -- where as real unix is designed for industry and
>business..
>

WHAT!??!?!?!

The biggest market for Unix based machines is still at educational 
institutions...  Coherent has begun to leave the 'hobbists' behind and 
is fast becoming a fully supported Unix OS.  The last time I had heard, 
Coherent is coming out with TCP/IP communications support.
Calling things "real unix" and not "real unix" is rather like entering the
"Your computer isn't a real computer" debate...






-- 
Colby Kraybill
Space and Planetary Image Facility
University of New Mexico
opus@pioneer.unm.edu
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From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.unixbbs.uniboard,alt.bbs.unixbbs
Subject: bounced email goes returned to wrong address
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:59:37 GMT
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745

I have been having a problem with email sent by bbs users
which bounces.  It appears this bounced email is not returned
to the user on the bbs, but rather to the "dummy" account on
my machine --

for example, my bbs "dummy" as defined in Config.bbs is bbs,
and the machine is rn.com -- any bounced email is returned to
the user bbs on the machine rn.com ---  see the following
which is my /usr/mail/bbs -- email for the bbs user 

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From: James.Braunsdorf@bbs.rn.com (James Braunsdorf)
To: cmanry@yoda.wsu.edu
Subject: Re: Books for sale!  Cheap!
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 17:17:47 EST
Message-Id: <1992Sep02.171747.26156@rn.com>
X-Mailer: UnixBBS 1.03b S/N 145921

Hi, any idea what that would come to for all of the books? I think I
would be interested in the lot, if the price was right.
      James Braunsdorf
--
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E-Mail: James.Braunsdorf@bbs.rn.com


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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.unixbbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: BBS software for Coherent
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:45:23 GMT

greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter) writes:

>Look into TBBS by eSoft. It runs under DOS and can support up to 64
>simultaneous callers on a single machine. eSoft has an option module,
>called TDBS, which allows you to write dBase/Clipper style applications
>for your users to use online. It supports dBase files and has file
>sharing, record locking and all that rot.

But TBBS only supports their own eSoft database manager.  If you 
are happy with the limitations of dBase and the limitations of TBBS,
then fine (TBBS and the database will cost you more than UNIX).  

If you want to spawn your own database (and database manager) from
within the BBS -- forget TBBS.

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
From: harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.unixbbs
Subject: Re: BBS software for Coherent
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:47:59 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

>>Coherent is a amateur OS for those who are interested in the operation
>>of real UNIX.  Universities are using it cause it's cheap.  
>>Universities are using it to teach with -- how many are using Coherent
>>in the front office for billing, network servers, etc. -- real world
>>applications?  None.
> 
> Again, "real" unix?  WTF are you talking about?  You have MISSED the point 
> COMPLETELY.  The original poster wanted to find out if he could run a BBS
> under Coherent.  He didn't say he wanted to use Wordperfect.  He didn't say
> he wanted it to learn about "real" unix, he wanted to run a BBS!  
> Did the person say that he wanted to use it in his front office?  
> BBS's are not real world applications?  Pay attention.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Colby Kraybill
> Space and Planetary Image Facility
> University of New Mexico
> opus@pioneer.unm.edu

I seemed to have spawned an argument over Coherent.

Here's my situation.  I was thinking about doing a BBS that would allow users
to access a database.  After researching different BBS software for DOS I
discovered that this would require multiple machines and a network.  It's
possible to have multiple users under DOS dial in with Desqview, but running a
separate program requires a door to a networked machine.  Or so it appears from
my research.

My friend just bought Coherent which promises to be multiuser and multitasking. 
I really know very little about UNIX, but I thought it might be the solution to
my problem.  I would like to run one machine that allow 1-2 users on line at
once, and those users should be able to run a separate database program.  I
would also like to be able to scale up the use if my project works out.

I really don't have enough experience to consider UNIX.  I know that there is a
whole world out there of UNIX users, and software that is low cost or free, but
all I see are the high priced UNIX OSes and software.  I've read that an Intel
box can support 8-16 terminals under UNIX and run multiuser software.  I
figured this might be a good alternative to DOS based BBS.

Someone has e-mailed a suggestion I might try Limux (sp?).  Is there a
newsgroup, FAQ or ftp site I might find further information about all of this
stuff?
 
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James W. Harris, Memphis State University, Education - 200, Memphis, TN  38152
901-678-4632                                       harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu
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From: hutton@nic.cerf.net (Tom Hutton)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.unixbbs,alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Has Anyone been successfull in ftping XBBS 7.2
Keywords: XBBS
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:02:20 GMT
Followup-To: <1992Aug17.164332.21266@godzilla.quotron.com>
Organization: CERFnet


>sandy@godzilla.quotron.com (Sanford Zelkovitz) writes....
XBBS, version 7.200, is now online for downloading.
This new version no longer requires external
programs to list "arc" and "zip" files. Also,
additional enhancements were made for SVR4 support
.....
If you wish to archive the new code for others
on the internet, please let me know the
system name and IP address. You can send the
information to:
         sandy@smftst.Quotron.com
>            (130.224.26.12)

Has anyone been successfull in ftping this?  I have had no luck
with their server.  Anyone know anysites with version 7.2.  Archie
has no listings for this version.

Tom
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.unixbbs