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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: move to canada, eh?
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:11:27 GMT
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In article <11953@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>
>Yeah, as if anyone would want to force homosexuals to stay.

Lots of people would. 

>I'm
>sure it won't take long for the Canadians to lose interest in
>their national health insurance plan, once they get the pick up
>the costs of AIDS in a big way.

I don't think it would make any difference.  The costs of AIDS not very
significant, overall.  A heart bypass, or a premature birth, can cost much
more than treatment for AIDS.  There are *lots* of diseases which are more
expensive than AIDS, and over a longer period of time. 

The position of the French government, I have heard, is that AIDS is not a
significant enough additional cost to bother worrying about.  Perhaps a
reader from France or Canada can tell us what the costs have turned out to
be there.  

>Funny, that's how a lot of straight people here in California feel,
>what with the homosexual community imposing its moral code on the
>straight population.

No, we just don't want *you* to impose your moral code on *us*.  

-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: boobs
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 23:35:51 GMT


In article <1992Sep1.225731.16509@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

Cheese, some typos sour the joke, ya know, so before I get
clabbered, let me fix this one:

>cream.  But leche that I am, I was wondering if all these
>homogeinus dairy airs might find a mutually satisfying way to

 homogenius

Homogeinus would be a murderer of great fame in my state, Ed
Gein, Homogeinus wisconsinensis.  He butchered and trussed
up his victims like dressed-out beef and made lampshades of
their skin (no kidding).  I think it was 5 or 8 women he
killed.  He was sent to the State Hospital, whereas Jeffrey
Dahmer was deemed sane and sentenced to prison (I think he's
on trial in Ohio right now, though).

Speaking of cheese, I wonder what's new with the Curds,
whey over in Iraqabyebaby on a treetop?

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: PLEASE VOTE!!!
Keywords: voter registration, letters
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:52:20 GMT

ceci@ide.com (Lou Ceci) writes:

>Buchanan's harangue at the Repugnican National Convention made me so
>mad I went out the next night and volunteered for the Clinton/Gore
>campaign.  They put me to work immediately, helping with precint
>rosters.  Its was boring.  It was tedious.  But it needed to be done.

>The next weekend, I joined a group of volunteers registering voters in
>the lower Haight district of San Francisco.  We registered 30
>Democrats, one Repugnican, and a "Decline to State."  It was hot.  We
>weren't always greeted kindly.  But it needed to be done.

>Last week, I sent a letter to the Manager of Human Resources where
>I work.  I asked her to please send a copy of our company's non-
>discrimination policy, which includes sexual orientation, to the
>Governor so that at least this time he can't claim he's protecting
>business interests if he vetos the latest gay rights bill.  In my
>letter, I urged my company to stand up against "cultural cleansing."
>She said she would have to talk it over with the President of the
>company and the Vice President for Personnel.

>It was scarey.  I waited a week for results.  Then, today, I got
>a message back from her.  They sent the letter supporting the
>bill and included a copy of our own non-discrimination policy.
>And they sent it on business letterhead stationary.

>The company took a stand, she said.  It was unusual, but it was right.
>And, she said, it needed to be done.

>We can each do these things.  They are not big things, or glamorous, or
>very dramatic.  But they get things done.

>--Lou
Cool!! These are the kinds of things I wish I could read on soc.motss every
day!! I'm psyched that there are THINGS we can do --each of us -- to fight 
back the encroaching darkness.
-- 
RON BUCKMIRE
Fundraising Committee for the Procurement of a mesh tank-top for LL Cool J
11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 29 Aug 1992 09:45:02 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: American Family Association *LOSES*! Bush signs PBS,NPR Bill

i called yesterday.  it had already been signed, but it sounded
liek teh operators were even disgusted with the radical fundies.
i mean, really, deny funding to the people who show sasame
street and mr. rodgers?  are the NUTS???  they shoudl have KNOWN
that wouldn't work, that even their OWN people might shy off from
that one...

                                            -ailsa
From: John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gravely Mixed Up
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:40:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University Medical Center

In article <1992Aug31.175032.14385@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess
Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <4997@news.duke.edu> John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu
>writes:
>
>>>>While I have chided you on religious issues before, I don't
>>>>in any manner wish to discriminate against you because of
>>>>your nonreligious (what I would call religious) beliefs.
>
>>The context here, if you remember, was in a private letter
>>to you, in which I was referring humorously to previous
>>letters in which you said that you had no religious beliefs.
>
>It's too dreary to go looking for the proof, but I am quite
>certain I have never said in letters or in postings that I
>had no religious beliefs.

Well this is certainly a horse of a different color.

Since I don't have the space to save all communications that I receive I must
admit I relied on memory here.  It was my impression that you said that you
were not religious and that you did not consider your beliefs to be religious
but that they were philosophies.  Clearly if that is not the case I was
mistaken and this thread is simply a misunderstanding.

>
>>So, I'm not going to discriminate against your
>>"non-religious" type of religious beliefs, i.e.  I will not
>>hold it against you that you do not see yourself as
>>"religious."
>
>*You* will define my beliefs?  That's beyond belief!!

I'm not sure I understand this though.  I've made no attempt to "define" or
even list your beliefs.  I have categorized them in a way that I have been
taught to do.  In a system in which all beliefs are religious based, then a
person who thinks they are non-religious has "non-religious labeled religious
beliefs."  If you choose to call your belief system whatever, it does not
prohibit others from labeling it differently.  We can discuss the the meanings,
usages, and even claim they are faulty or useless, but to suggest that I am
defining your beliefs because I categorize them for use in discussion is to
assume that there is some essential nature to your beliefs that demands a
particular labeling.  I reject that idea.  

>
>If you think I don't see myself as relgious, you're dreaming;
>I've said I do, more than once, and in this forum, so don't break
>your arm not holding it against me.

Once again, if you didn't say what I thought you did then clearly I am wrong. 
BTW, it was an attempt at friendly humor -- the joke of not holding
non-religious religious views against you in a religious discussion.  

>
>You have a bizarre mind, my friend.

The postmodern mind is often seen as bizarre by those who are not postmodern. 
Essentialists and nominalists often have a hard time understanding how the
other can possibly take such views.  

But finally just let me get one thing clear:

You are indeed saying that you are religious, that is to say, a holder of
religious beliefs and a doer of practices based on those beliefs? If that is
not what you mean by having religious beliefs, then we have a need for further
clarification.

JAG
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Is anyone as angry as I am?
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:25:12 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <wood.715438096@jfred> wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood) writes:


>If gay people had electoral votes, AIDS would have received the proper
>attention it should have many, many years ago.


	I've always said that we should just quietly move into a
couple states, take over, run everyone else out, and then start
flexing some electoral muscle.  Florida would seem to be the ideal
place, since most of the demolishing has already been done (after all,
some of us are geniuses at gentrification and remodeling).

	I'm not trying to be flip, just trying to inject a little
humor. I'm finding I need my sense of humor more and more lately.
-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Question about Microsoft Corp.
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:34:49 GMT

In article <71729@apple.Apple.COM>, mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> Can 'Babe' be taken as a female pronoun,
> thereby perpetuating my misogyny? 

Nobody can perpetuate your misogyny but you, and I must
say that you're doing a splendid job.  

Say, it just occurred to me that you might be more comfy
hanging out with the Really Butch Woman Haters in soc.
men, soc.women, alt.feminism, and soc.feminism.  Or maybe
you could arrange to get fucked by Cretin Clamor.  We
just want to see you happy, dear.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: MONTANA: Activist Organising to Repeal Sodomy Law
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 20:25:43 -0500
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Activists in Montana are mobilising NOW to repeal the state's ``deviate sexual
misconduct'' law during the 1993 legislative session. The law bars sexual 
contact between two persons of the same sex and carries a sentence of 10 years
and/or a fine of $50 000. Currently 25 states and the District of Columbia have
sodomy laws.

Activists in Montana should contact the 

MONTANA WOMEN's LOBBY
101 E. Broadway #601
Missoula, MT 59802
406-549-4466

Activists elsewhere should send organisational statements opposing the law and
donations to support the effort.
---
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
In 1988, the Presidential election turnout was 50.2%. Source: The Village Voice
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Sim is OK!!
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:13:04 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) wrote:
>Good news about Sim & David.  I hope the rabbit's OK too.

I forever fail to understand why people spell Daivd's name wrong.  Sheesh!

:-)>

I want to thank everybody for the concern.  It feels good.

Still skimming waiting for our system to go down.  There must be
some problems....

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: move to canada, eh?
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:25:48 GMT

michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott) writes:
: 
:              We must *all* stand and fight.
: 
: 
: Michelle, who is sinking into seriousness and thus is desparately
:           awaiting a silly post to which she can respond

Some of us choose to *lie down* (with or without partner(s) of choice) and fight.


8^)  Kathy
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Sept. 5, Motss Dinner, NYC
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:37:04 GMT


Saturday, September 5th at 7:00PM, at Sung Hai on 10th and west side
highway the "We're not really the Cabal Cabal" will be meeting to dine,
and discuss strategy for p-d deployment on the east coast.  Please
send word to the me if you can attend.  

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe)
Subject: Re: eating at Furr's
Keywords: i wouldn't dare
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:59:20 GMT

jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:

>Alas, beards are apparently out of fashion in the
>Shaumeyer clan, 75 of whom were at the family
>picnic.  [Can you *believe* 75!]

Ahh....geez....wish I coulda been there being perhaps the only one in 
the motss world who appreciates seeing the bone structure, skin texture 
and shadow of imagination provided by the shorn visage.


>If pressed, I *might* consider sharing my reflections
>on the Photon Correlation Spectroscopy meeting.  [It
>confirmed my feeling that scientific meetings simply
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>are *not* cruisy things.]
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Boy, if *that* isn't the understatement of the year!  Having attended 
bezillions of such tortuous assemblages of the afflicted, the lack of 
cruising defies any reasonable model.  In fact, it has led me to 
suspect that scientists may be either much more homophobic than the 
norm or else are *much* more obsessive about their work than even I 
imagined.  This may, however, be a function of the "hardness" of the 
science.  Perhaps the degree of abstraction and its amenability to 
mathamatical representation takes practitioners too far away from the 
merry messiness of real existence.  We *all* know how dispassionate, 
objective, remote and divorced from the human condition *all* of these 
Dr. Strangeloves are.

Actually, I was just willing to accept that the problem was mine since
I have never liked sea journeys on large vessels with nearly 
hermetically confined humans forced to endure programming by 
hyperkinetic clones.  Thus, my skill at cruising is, put mildly, 
nearly non-existent.  This, compounded by an apparently repulsive lack
of facial keratin, had, until this posting of jns, convinced me the 
problem was not necessarily general.  But now Jeff, possessed of all 
the attributes of desirability, attests to the validity of my 
observations.  Vindication!!  

So Jeff, do you think we can get a pub in Nature on this?

Colburn Eigen                      H|u> = E|u>
From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Homophobe Alert: from s.c.china
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:18:03 GMT
Reply-To: <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I just spotted this crude posting on soc.culture.china.  Gloss: "Banana" is
Chinese slang for "yellow on the outside, but white inside."  Cf. black slang
"oreo."

Several Chinese respondents have suggested that Chunde Shi see a psychiatrist.

Quean Lutibelle
-----------------


>From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.asian.american
>Subject: "Banana"'s sexuality and social status
>Message-ID: <1992Aug28.010202.14956@ulowell.ulowell.edu>
>Date: 28 Aug 92 01:02:02 GMT
>Sender: usenet@ulowell.ulowell.edu (News manager - ulowell)
>Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
>Lines: 29

Male "banana"'s ass is valued high by white gay men. The reason for that are 
two folds. One is that male "banana"s normal receives arrogant, if not hostile
, attitude from Whites. When a White man makes an sexual advance, in a
pledging mode. The male "banana" will be so moved by the sudden "friendliness"
from White man. Even though the male "banana" does not have any interests of
being stuffed in ass, he is more than willing to submit himself, for the
pleasure of being wanted by a whiteman. second is that, even thogh the
hostility toward "banana" on surface, deep in whitemen heart, there is "fear",
mythical feeling, "respect" toward "banana", because the "banana" from a
culture that dwarfs all others, the need to share a piece of that culture
through body contact compell them to move. The above two apply to Female 
"banana" in the relationship with white men too. To back up my claim, I like 
to give two examples:
San Francisco is a "banana" most concetrated place in U.S., by no accident
 the city is gayman capital in U.S. too. People bacome "banana" for the sake of 
 gold, that is why San Francisco is called Old Gold Mountain(Jiu2 Jin1 San1)
 in the "banana"'s known language, but lost their asses, that is why I call
 San Francisco Old Ass Mountain(Jiu2 Gan1 San1). 
Another story is that about Nixion visit "banana"'s fatherland. Just before
 he took on journey, his staff member arranged him with a "banana" young femal.
 The rational behind the act is that Mao's people kicked Nixon's people's asses
 in Korea, Vietname, to get even with so many "bananas" asses lost in U.S.. 
 In order to say to himself that I got one of you too when met Mao, and have
 enough confidence to stand straight without too much leg-shakng, He closely, 
 carefully "examed" the femal "banana", in and out. Made her giggle, cry,
 be exhsausted, be satistified, etc on the White Hours bed the night.

Just a piece of reality for "bananas" or "bananas_about_to_be", joy? sad? 
what ever.

-- 
  ==========================================================================
  Louie Crew, Assoc. Prof., Academic Foundations Dept., Rutgers U./NWK 07102
  lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu                                   201-485-4503
                    Heteroprivilege is against New Jersey law!
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Bush losing ground YAY :) :) :)
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:28:58 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

After reading all the depressing news about 2, 9 and the attempts
to remove PBS its good to know that atleast something good is happening.

Bush is almost back down to his preconvention low ratings :-)

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Question about Microsoft Corp.
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:48:47 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.153250.37168@watson.ibm.com> 
>jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson):
>> > What's the matter, Jake?  Is Sargon just too *butch* for you?
>>
>> well, i'd rather read than play poker *or* watch movies, darling.

>Would you care to test one of Apple's new interactive software
>packages?  It's sort of the fem. gay counterpart to Sargon the
>Butch's masc. gay persona.

You know it, Babe.  (Aghhhh!!  Can 'Babe' be taken as a female pronoun,
thereby perpetuating my misogyny?  I promise to read A Doll's House
several times tonight in atonement).

But I'm sure you'd be quite welcome in Cupertino.  An excellent benefits
program, a new R & D complex under development, lot's of nifty hardware
toys to play with (Windows is *only* software - and it *only* works on
those beastly clone-things - Argghh!  My '86-o-phobia is showing!  I
promise to read 'Hard Drive' several times tonight in atonement).

Of course, the Menlo Park offices of Microsoft do have the advantage
of being further up the Peninsula... (Argghhh!  Geo-phobia!  I promise
to move!  Well, maybe not.)

Matthew Melmon
Apple Computer, Inc.
Mine opinions are mine
(these disclaimers are really tedious, perhaps the lawyers wouldn't mind
to terribly much should they go away, perhaps not)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: Gay names
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: gayla, gaea
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:48:18 GMT

well i don't know any gaylas, but i do know one gaea, pronounced
"gay-a", and she's straight.  vegetarian, wears birkenstocks
and peasant dresses, has long unstyled hair, doesn't like
make-up, hangs out with gay men (like me and jacques and john
d'emilio)...but straight.  also entirely unruffled at being
taken for a dyke - which in the circumstances is a good thing.

i guess i think of her as a conceptual dyke: most of the
sensibility, except for the sex thing.

arnold (who has showed gaea a number of his postings to soc.motss
   and great chunks of his sexy novel, as well as all his poetry)


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