From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Dave's chart, but where's Dave? Oh, over there, a-bashing.
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:06:29 GMT

stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin) writes:
>ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>> to be being much more attentive to my next - I'm not finished with Dave's,
>> if he engages with me in conversation about it.
>
>Feels kind of incomplete to have no immediate feedback from Dave. However, I don't
>think he'll ever respond to me - my merc is conj pluto conj my mc in Leo -squared
>to his moon. (Sometimes reverse psychology works. :-) )

Hmm. You have to believe he can sense that though. ?? You suggested I loved
him because he has Venus on my 7th cusp - I just do because I do, being
ironic as hell myself I have compassion for the twisted & conflicted - I don't
have a note from his Venus in my psychic mailbox. :)
(mmm - maybe I do . . . go look.)

Yes - I've scanned things to date, no mention by Dave that we've done anything
at all. He last responded to me when I wrote to him privately. Probably some
cue that *he* is cared about. It might hurt his feelings for us to dicsuss
him third person - but that's primarily because he's not putting himself here
in person to say "boo", "foo" or *anything*, regarding his readings. I see a
man drowning . . . the nature of his writing has changed.

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Dave, we did your charts as a demo *for you*. The least socially polite thing
to do is acknowledge the effort with "thanks". It's an awkward position -
if we were wrong, as Xavier had pegged you wrong, then I'd guess you'd have
said so by now. But your reply is conspicuous by its absence - as you keep
on posting offense & defense around us.

I'm a lot more permeable to the occult than you are, but I'll tell you a
story. During my Saturn return, Summer 1985, my mother took me to see a
psychic she knew. I sat down with the man - he closed his eyes and was quiet
for about half a minute. Then he opened his eyes and began a normal
conversation - a monologue, actually, describing things. Within 40 seconds,
I knew this man could not possibly know what he was saying from *anywhere*,
and I made the split second decision that psychics were for real and that
this was really happening to me. When I went home I was very disturbed -
because A WHOLE NEW UNIVERSE had opened up that made me feel very, very small.
That incident launched me into where I am today: how does it work? Can I do
this? And I just started paying attention to a lot of things I would have
had no interest in otherwise. A lot of stuff in the field can give you the
bad creeps - but YOU actually control what your involvement in it is, so you
need have no fear of "intrusion" or getting lost or damaged.

Forget about "witches, ghosts, poltergeists, ectoplasm, psychic attack" -
you don't need to bother with any of that *if it isn't in your interest*.
This I think is a curious gift of the grounding of Earth signs; we have to
open *out*, not stop things from coming *in*. I am a Capricorn.

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>> Stacey - not that you care, maybe, but there are several charts pending to
>> read in ROM;
>> .............................. - then let me know.
>Yeah, I'd like to. I did see on ROM that you had run some charts on other people,
>but I haven't read them. I have no way of running a chart myself, so you'd have
>to give me the info. Speaking of which, I saw that you had posted your own chart
>info but without house cusps. Why can't we have them? :-)

Ahh - give me a FAX number, I guess, or a mailing address. In fact, I can
run off laser charts with Blue Star & send them to you - give me an excuse
to use up old stamps. Send how you want them done . . .
Maybe I'll post some output from some of my ascii-oriented programs.

I think what I'd like to do is have you follow after, and reread a chart I've
just done. I know you'll be their favorite, but that's okay - I can go
practice flaming. 'll be in touch about it, as your and my time permits.

Hmmpf. Oh, all right. *You're* the big deal on house cusps - I don't pay much
attention to that. I'll look them up. The rest, I did from memory . . .

>> If your reading of Dave's chart was not crossposted to rec.org.mensa, do you
>> mind if I post a copy?
>I don't mind at all. 

Cool.

>> I'd also be curious as to your assessment of what I wrote about Dave, as I
>> have not much feel for the character of my style.

>I liked your assessment of Dave. I have some different ideas about what some of
>placements and aspects are about. But that's what it's all about. :-) I particularly liked
>your explanation of Sat in the 4th, and I think it's another support for this
>5th-11th business in his chart. Don't you find that a theme which is important to
>a chart is repeated over and over in various ways? 

Quit typing so close to the right hand margin!! Set your X-term back at 80
columns . . . ? Yes, I know I'm on a hot trail when the same thing is echoed
and echoed. MY chart - so where's a theme in MY chart. Near as I can tell the
only recurrent theme is I'm insane. Dissociated - I guess so I can easily
diagnose cross-currents in other people.

I don't study much, I use various 'cookbooks' and go off and try to form
whole images - chunk down this or that image to use later in a 'cold'
reading. My intuition says I can internalize this in simple symbols making
easy speech, with a little effort. You look at a lot of things at once -
I guess I shouldn't challenge you at chess. :)

>Whatever it was that you said about the Aries Jup ...
>I don't agree with.

Probably an off-the-cuff. (no excuse)

I'll print this [analysis] out to read your further analysis w/ Dave in hand...

From the above, I seem to be able to shut out most transit effects upon me -
which is good, there's too much information spilling into my life now anyway.
I'll be getting a Uranus transit of my Sun my birthday '95 before it opposes
itself, then a Neptune transit on my birthday '96 (dates are close enough to
say so) - then a Pluto transit near (birthday again, I think?) age 60. Yeeoow!

>I have a chart that I want to post here, if I can get the information together.
>It's a KILLER. I can't wait to see what you guys come up with.

Can't wait.

Gee - demonstrative little whelp that I am, Stacey, *smooch*.
:) ecsd (: