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From: basiji@milton.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Audiolab amps
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:30:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.basiji.713817045
Organization: University of Washington

wood@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Peter Wood) writes:

>>>>>> On 14 Aug 92 09:00:12 GMT, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) said:

>-> In article <1992Aug13.223156.29246@leland.Stanford.EDU> ianchan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ian Hin Yun Chan) writes:
>>I'm wondering what people think of the Audiolab 8000 pre/power amps as compared
>>to similarly priced Adcom gear. That is, of course, assuming that people have
>>_heard_ of Audiolab before.... What are their prices, and where are they
>>available? Audiolab is British, BTW, and I'm interested primarily in their line
>>level inputs (read: I don't play LP). A few key specs would also be
>>appreciated.

>A few months ago I was wondering whether to buy a second hand pre/power
>combo.  A dealer had an 8000P power amp and a Musical Fidelity Pre3A pre-amp
>which we took home for the weekend, to sit between our LP12 and Epos ES11
>speakers. 

>Sounded horrid.  Well, not objectionable, just flat, boring and lacking in
>detail.  And this is compared to a Creek 4140 integrated.  Lots more heft
>than we were used to, but it was like a veil in front of the speakers.  (Sort
>of like Hawkwind's last tour, if anyone else here saw them in the UK...).

>Cheers
>Pete

I've found the Epos speakers to be extremely difficult to drive well.
I had an experience at my (great) local dealer while shopping for a 
subwoofer where the Epos sucked a 200 wpc Parasound amp completely dry.
After hooking up an active crossover and a subwoofer (xover at ~90 Hz),
the Epos sounded like silk using only a 60wpc amp (not a parasound, so
maybe not such a hot comparison, but scary one way or the other).

Dave

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mrbill@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Bowen)
Subject: Re: ISO Headphones
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 19:17:43 GMT

In article <16n4ilINNrjn@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> Guy_Seebohm@brown.edu writes:
>
>If you have any recommendations for a pair of mid to low end headphones please
>either post or send me mail.

Check out the Sony MDR-V6, available for around $70. They are unequivocally the
best headphones available at that price, and are among the best I've ever
listened to at any price. Those I've listened to include models from Stax,
Beyer, Sennheiser and AKG. For under $200, I can't recommend any of them over
the MDR-V6.



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From: weaver@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Tyler Weaver)
Subject: Polk speaker opinions?
Followup-To: rec.audio  
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:17:19 GMT

What does rec.audio have to say about Polk Audio RTA15-TL speakers?
These are the tower speakers with 4 6.5" mid-bass drivers, 2 passive
radiators, and a dome tweeter.
I will be listening to rock, metal, and blues.  They would be driven
by a Yamaha 75 wpc receiver and CD player.  I like strong bass, and 
somewhat bright on the high end.  
These speakers list for ~$1200  and are on sale for ~$900 in Dallas.
The salesman told me a new Polk model line will be out soon.

Also, I'm interested in the Infinity SM-152's.  Any thoughts on those
or others I should check out?
Plug away...
thanks,

--Tyler
        weaver@spdc.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Can Someone Recommend Speakers.....
From: <N79BC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 18 Aug 1992 15:06:10 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

  Hello all!
           Can someone recommend the best bookshelf speakers (the small
           shelf kind) for a cd player?  More exactly, Digital type shelf
           speakers?   Thanx.
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From: bower@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Tyson Bower)
Subject: Re: Who dat say dey gonna buy dat DAT?
Organization: The Land of UD 
Distribution: na 
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:42:36 GMT


>When I multiply 48,000 (sampling rate) by 2 (stereo) by 16
>(bits/sample) by 60 (seconds/minute) by 120 (minutes/tape) and then
>divide by 8 I get 1.38 Gbytes.  This is still one of the highest
>storage densities of any medium.

What about error correction?  Indexing?  Control data?

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: ojala@funet.fi (Petri Ojala)
Subject: Re: THX migration - many questions
Organization: Finnish University and Research Network (FUNET)
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:49:22


> Home THX is the consumer version of the theater certification.  The
> difference being that the equipment mnaufacturer can tag their gear as
> meeting the approved equipment list as such.

Is a list of THX approved home audio equipment available somewhere ?

Regards,
Petri
From: sss@castle.ed.ac.uk (S S Sturrock)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Sony Mini-Disc Questions/Debate
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:15:19 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <MARC.92Aug21091602@mamba.es.ele.tue.nl> marc@es.ele.tue.nl (Marc Heijligers) writes:
>
>In article <24809@castle.ed.ac.uk> sss@castle.ed.ac.uk (S S Sturrock) writes:
>   then I think he has too much faith in the perfection of digital and no idea
>   about precisely what PASC is doing to achieve the compression.
>
>I don't think you can argue just because you 'think' he has to much faith in
>his product. He has based his opinions on wide-scale tests. 

Can't get any wider than having the thing on general release which it
hasn't been yet.  How many other companies have claimed that problems
didn't exist only to find that they did?  Meybe I am just being
pessimistic, maybe I am being realistic.
>
>I don't know who did the review, but when I heard DCC myself yesterday, I can
>only state that the recorded sound sounded exactly the same as the original
>sound did. I think the reviewer is of a type equal to the one who claims that
>CD doesn't sounds right, because the sound is cut into pieces. 

Read what I said again, the *ANALOGUE* sound is about on average for a 100
quid deck, nothing about the digital sound, this comment was aimed at those
who want to buy one and play their old MCs on it as well as DCCs.

The reviewer is not of the type you say, the particular mag is very pro
digital.  What Hifi as a matter of fact which is about as pro digital as
they come.
>
>It is not ordinary chrome tape. The information on the tape is 'digital' (in

It is an ordinary chrome tape, the information is digital yes but the tape
is the same as a good old analogue chrome cassette but in a different case.

>fact it is analogue ofcourse), which means that a degradation of the tape can
>hardly be noticed (a degraded '1' has to degrade very hard to become a '0').
>CD's also degrade. The best would be 'solid-state audio', but this is future
>work. 

Yes yes, very old hat, go teach your grandmother to suck a few eggs will
you please?
>
>To give you a more complete view on DCC, here's a letter of my friend (working
>at Philips) which he wrote because of a discussion on nlnet (= local net for
>the Netherlands, on which the DCC is a hot item too).

Yes, again, very old news, nothing much there which hasn't already been
bandied around the net.


-- 
Shane Sturrock, Biocomputing Research Unit, Darwin Building, Mayfield Road,
University of Edinburgh, Scotland, Commonwealth of Independant Kingdoms.  :-)

Civilisation is a Haggis Supper with salt and sauce and a bottle of Irn Bru.
From: jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Energy Speakers
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:51:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Department of Genetics, University of Utah


	   I've been shopping for speakers, and come upon a pair
   of Energy speakers. They are of the 22 line. Since these are Canadian 
   speakers, I don't know if they are available south of the border. Just
   in case, has anybody heard of them? Any commentws or suggestions for other
   speakers?

   Serge

Energy speakers are available in the US.
I heard the low end of the Energy line while
looking for speakers in the $200 price range.
They have a $200 model-- .1 E -- that is
fairly impressive for its ~11x6x6 size.
However, it is ported, and the bass results 
are somewhat uncontrolled. Highs are acceptable, 
midrange a little weak.

The next model up -- 2.1 E -- is $300, and
I believe, fairly competitive in that range.
I compared them side-by-side with Boston
Acoustics and Kefs of the same price.

However, in this 'entry level' speaker range I 
prefer the PSB Alphas (another Canadian Co.),
and have also heard that the Mirage M190 are
quite nice for $200.

Shop around; that's half the fun of buying
speakers.


jeff

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: wood@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Peter Wood)
Subject: Re: Wheres the FAQ? (Newbie ??'s)
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications, Transmission Product Development,
	Cambridge, UK
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:49:14 GMT

>>>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 92 11:21:46 GMT, edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) said:


Thor> Hi.

Hi Thor,
Welcome aboard!

Thor> Just found this group - it looks good.  I wondered if there's a FAQ...?

Everyone asks this.  No-one does anything about it.  So there isn't one!

Thor> Maybe a charter? (i.e. is this group only for car/home hi/fi audio or
Thor> are there some studioheads out there that discuss the latest studio/
Thor> engineering topics...?)

There are separate rec.audio.car and rec.audio.pro groups for the two
specialist groups you mention.  This group is unmoderated and rambles along
in its own peculiar way in search of truth and harmony through domestic
hifi...

There's also a moderated group called rec.audio.high-end where discussion is
more serious and flame-fests are banned by the moderator.  I suggest you read
that one for a while before attempting to contribute...

Thor> Regards,
Thor> Thor
Thor> edmtl@fiol.uib.no

Cheers
Pete


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From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Subject: Wheres the FAQ? (Newbie ??'s)
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 11:21:46 GMT


Hi.
Just found this group - it looks good.  I wondered if there's a FAQ...?
Maybe a charter? (i.e. is this group only for car/home hi/fi audio or
are there some studioheads out there that discuss the latest studio/
engineering topics...?)

Regards,
Thor
edmtl@fiol.uib.no
From: jdt@voodoo.boeing.com (Jim Tomlinson)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Looking for Surround Sound Emulation
Keywords: Stereo, Surround Sound
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:51:26 GMT
Reply-To: jdt@voodoo.boeing.com
Organization: BoGART To You, Buddy

In article <1992Aug14.123215.10578@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, chris@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM writes:
|> This may be a FAQ -- I just tapped into the newsgroups -- but here goes:
|> 
|> I currently own a 100 W Sony stereo system with A & B outputs -- no
|> 'surround sound' capability.  I am interested in emulating 'surround 
|> sound' using one or a combination of the two outputs...

I have, third hand, a text file detailing how to do 'cheap surround'
with no processor.  In essence:

    Pos (red) terminal of left front speaker to pos of left rear.
    Neg of left rear to pos of right rear.
    Neg of right rear to one side of 50 ohm wire wound rheostat.
    Other side of rheostat to pos of right front speaker.

Will this actually work?
-- 
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From: sklower@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Keith Sklower)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Sony's SBM CD Mastering
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:04:23 GMT
Organization: /etc/organizaton

In article <1992Aug14.224227.17426@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
>>: dplatt@ntg.com (Dave Platt) writes:
>
>>: : Well, it was _recorded_ with 20-bit technology, _mastered_ and
>>: : _reproduced_ with 16-bit technology, and the 20->16 conversion wasn't
>>: : a simple roundoff or truncation.

I called up and talked with the director of Marketing for a company
called Sonic Solutions, of San Rafael, CA.  They make a digital
audio editing workstation (among other related frobs).  I asked the
lady what she could tell me about Sony's 20 bit SBM system...
(saying that I had the impression that Sony classical was a sonic
customer).

She told me that indeed, Sony Classical exclusively used Sonic systems
for their editing, which could accept input of 20 bit (actually up to
24 bit) digital audio data, doing eq and cross fades internally using
multiple DSP56000 which have much wider fixed point registers, and then
producing a 20 bit output stream as the master tape signal which they (sony)
capture and reduce to 16 bits externally, with their own proprietary
noise reduction processes.  (I said that is seemed to me that
the sonic system could perform the necessary calculations had
Sony disclosed their algorithms, etc. and she chose to say nothing
in response to my speculation).

So.... Dave platt's statement ought to say that the mastering was
actually done with 20 bit technology.  The reproduction via compact
disk is clearly 16 bit, but if a whole lot of us were to go out and
by D2 digital VTR's for our homes, sony could even be reproducing
with 20 bits.  Unfortunately I think most of us would find other uses
for $50-$60K ......

>
>It seems obvious to me that intelligent processing must be better than
>random dither ....  
>Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com

The whole field of digital audio seems to be chock full of unituitive
results.... my background is in a different part of math and I can't
really comment except to say that I proclaim my own ignorance!
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: 6th Ave. Electronics--OPINIONS?
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:05:56 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <16e699INN4qn@agate.berkeley.edu> henken@ocf.berkeley.edu
(Matthew J. Henken) writes:

>With all of the discussion of J & R Electronics, I find myself in need of
>an opinion of another mail-order store:  6th Avenue Electronics City.

Over the past few years, there have been a large number of posts
complaining about 6th Avenue's service.  They are masters of the
bait-and-switch technique.  I've gone in there many times, even after
calling ahead to make sure the specific merchandise was in stock, only
to get there and have a salesman tell me that they are out and "XXX is
really much better, wouldn't I care to hear it?

I live about a mile from their Paramus store and shop there fairly on
occasion.  I can say that if you have the cash in your hands, can
inspect the merchandise before you buy it, and get their word (for
what it's worth) that they will exchange it for another (and that they
have an exchange unit with which to to replace it -- they don't give
refunds), I'd say that their prices can't be beat and that you should
buy there.

Make sure the goods come with a US distributor's warranty, unless they
clearly identify the goods as "gray market" and you are getting a
reasonable cost savings.  Expect to handle "gray market" repairs, if
they are needed, by yourself because 6th Avenue can't do them.  Factor
this into your cost.

Personally, I wouldn't trust them for mail order though I do buy there
in person.


-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
From: halco@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (ext. 3540)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Does-it-all walkman: opinions?
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:52:26 EST

I'm in the market for a one-unit-does-it-all type of walkman radio/cassette
recorder.  So far the best fit seems to be the Panasonic RQA 170, with
internal/external mike and speaker, rechargeable batteries and charger,
can record from the internal radio, ...

It doesn't have a tape counter or digital tuner, features which I'd like
if I could get them (I know, I'm not asking much).

Does anyone own one of these, or a different Panasonic, who would comment?  
Are there other better units I haven't found yet?

Thanks for any and all opinions and information.
Xref: sparky rec.audio:11463 rec.audio.pro:1488 rec.audio.car:3280
From: collin@angelo.amd.com (Collin K. Ong)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.car
Subject: HELP!  Need specs/info on woofers.
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:28:02 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA

I've located some woofers that I'm interested in, but they have no specs,
so I was hoping somebody could look them up and give me some specs, or some
off the cuff general knowledge about them.

Here's what I know:

10" Subwoofer, dual voice coil
Poly cone/foam suspension
64oz magnet
200 Watts (peak?)

They are manufactured by Carbonneau Loudspeakers in West Michigan and 
the box is labeled: "Perfect Interface, 6-10in STS-108DVC"

The retailer claims that they were used in Rockford Fosgate boxes, but they
appear new.  An Ohmmeter measured 6.9 ohms and 7 ohms across each of the
coils.  Does this automatically mean that they are 8 ohm rated?  I found this
odd because I expected Rockford stuff to be 4 ohm for car.

I'm looking for Thiel-Small parameters, general reputation of Carbonneau, or
anything else on these woofers.  What is a normal price for these?

Thanks alot...

Collin Ong
collin@brahms.amd.com
From: fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Sony Mini-Disc Questions/Debate
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:14:01 GMT
Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences

In article <7490214@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop) writes:

   How does the rest of the net feel about the DCC vs Mini-disc issue?
   Does anyone think that DCC is inherently superior to mini-disc?  If so,
   why?

I've only got one question:  Will they have "Serial Copy Management
Syndrome"?  If so, I'm not interested.
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
From: mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Matthew Braun)
Subject: Re: Counterpoint? Quality?
Followup-To: rec.audio.high-end
Originator: tjk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com
Organization: Somewhere in Motorola
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:39:18 GMT


|> >In article <Bsu519.9vo@solbourne.com> kucharsk@Solbourne.COM (William
|> >>Kucharski) writes: Can anyone recommend a nice solid state preamp
|> >>that sounds about the same as the Counterpoint?  I like what I've
|> >>heard from the Counterpoint, but have a big problem with tubed
|> >>equipment[...]
 Counterpoint themselves make a solid state preamp named the Solid-8 (I
think) that goes for about $895.

I've got an SA-100 (hybrid) preamp, and a Solid 1 amp.  I've been very
pleased by the sound quality, (though the High-End Police would take me away
if they knew the speakers I was using... :-( Consequently, I do a fair amount
of headphone listening.) I would have bought a Solid-8, except for the fact
that I needed the phono stage of the SA-100.

But then:
|> This is Henk de Vries replying somebody else's account. I have tried
|> counterpoint equipment and was amazed by sound, and appalled by
|> microphonics of the tubes, and rattle and hum of the overall
|> design; what horror!! ... but the sound was so nice... mediocre
|> quality of construction spoiling the FUN of enjoying music; a
|> truly criminal act!!
 I believe Counterpoint warns about this in their manuals, saying it's a
per-tube thing, and to replace the tubes if it becomes noticable/distracting.
(At $60-70 a pop, wow!)

					m@

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Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
From: andrew@alice.att.com (Andrew Hume)
Subject: paranoid recording rates
Originator: tjk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Article-I.d.: alice.23524
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 13:54:00 GMT


	Last week I had lunch with Bart Locanthi (audio industry
notable) and amongst other things, asked if there was any trend
or even worry that recording companies might move to compressed
digital formats (a la DCC) for master tapes. And if not, what
rates would they like to record at (all other things being equal)?

	he replied that there was no movement to compressed masters.
there was no movement to anything less than CD rate and mentioned
that the (rich?) audiophile fringe in Japan was settling on 20 bit
samples at 96kHz; this seeming to be quite enough for any conceivable
future.

	has anyone heard of hardware that can do 96kHz samples?
20 bits is not unusual nowadays (in professional gear) but i thought
that was at either 48kHz or 44.1kHz.

		andrew hume

Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
From: KLUDGE@AGCB1.LARC.NASA.GOV
Subject: Planar speakers for Video
Originator: tjk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:05:10 GMT


   You might consider going with a projection TV system with a long enough
lens that the projection assembly is far back into the room where it wouldn't
cause as much of a problem.  The screen itself is fairly reflective, but
matte white screens seem much better than lenticular screens for this, and
they can be backed with a foam material which makes them a bit more
absorptive.

   Much of the imaging effects from planar speakers comes from close
reflections from the wall behind the speakers, which is why speaker position
is such a problem.  You can't just dampen the front wall and keep the rear
of the room bright and get away with it (which works quite well in most
installations with monkey box speakers).

   The overall effect can be pretty impressive, though.  I have two
Maggies seperated by about fourteen feet, about five feet from the rear
wall which is covered with bookcases.  There is a matte white screen
about five feet wide (no Cinescope yet, sorry to say) mounted about a
foot in front of the bookcases.  The difference in sound with the screen
up and down is audible, but not too significant, and since it's a roll-up
screen I can roll it up into the ceiling when there's no film showing.

   I am told that planar speakers are excellent for surround speakers as
well, but I haven't tried this one out for myself.  I only got the stereo
soundheads installed last month....
--scott

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