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From: diana@wetware.com (CatWoman )
Subject: Re: The unbearable shitsubo of being
Keywords: Losers
Organization: Castle WetWare MouseCatcher
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:23:30 GMT

geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:

] In article <17518@autodesk.COM> booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:
] 
] >My take is that any parent who gives a kid a stupid name like Satchel
] >should be fed to the wolves in the schoolyard.
] 
] !Peeve:  Ridiculous names from our grandparents' era are becoming extinct.
] Thankfully, nobody seems to be naming the kids Clarence, Walter, Cora,
] Harold, Martha, Viola, Fred or Andrew anymore.

Not all of them - and it seems there are NEW ones being used.

For example - my brother and his wife, in some tobacco-induced
lapse of logic, named my nephew Stefan - prounounced Steh-fahn,
accent on the last syllable.

Future Peeve I KNOW my nephew will have:
He's SURE to be called Stephanie by the time he gets into
kindergarten...and I don't think my brother had "A Boy named
Sue" in mind when he chose the name...

Diana
From: eset08@castle.ed.ac.uk (J Strobridge)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Caffeine and mornings(was alt.alien.visitors)
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:50:14 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:

>Peeve: Stomachs. I really don't have time to cook or eat. I am not a
>bigtime chowhound and the only reason I am not a stick is that I am
>a Social Creature who often meets friends at restaurants.



!peeve:   Frozen packet meals you can throw into a pan and ignore for
the next 20 minutes while you get on with something much more
interesting. 

MajorPeeve:   Frozen packet meals that are too large for one person and
not enough for two  8-(     

LesserPeeve:  The terrible Italian carryouts I have in my area.   Is
there a good Italian carryout place anywhere in Edinburgh?


>Peeve: Needing sleep. Argh.


Peeve: going to sleep at 1.00 a.m. and then waking up HUNGRY just 3
hours later.    This is ridiculous!    By the time you've woken up
enough to stagger into the kitchen - find something consumable and eat
it there's not a hope in hell of ever getting back to sleep again. 


>!Peeve: If I am going to have a stomach, at least they've invented
>coffee and chocolate to put in it.

    Mmmmmm  and mint icecream and chocolate-chip ginger biscuits.....



jill
From: mzraly@ra.cs.umb.edu (Michael S. Zraly)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Drivers From Hell
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:01:38 GMT
Organization: UMass/Boston Dept. of Math & CS

geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>
>	[...]
>
>SomewhatAnalogousPeeve:  People who are unclear on directions.  [...]

Then there're the people who say things like, "he changed his mind a
complete 360 degrees on that issue..."

Grrrrrrr...

Also on the subject of language, I get peeved by people who call
something unmentionable or unspeakable, then proceed to speak of
them at great length.  Tabloid TV shows are often guilty of this:
they'll have these commercials talking about how the local chirch-
going-mom-loving-veteran-and-scout-leader performed unspeakable
sexxual acts with his 9-year old cub scouts at camp fuck-me-harder,
and you just KNOW that they'll devote a good fifteen minutes of
air time speaking of it, in between commercials for velveeta and
tampons.

-- 
Mike Zraly		Never attribute to malice that which
mzraly@cs.umb.edu	is adequately explained by stupidity.
From: bls@sector7g.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Scearce)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Fergiegate
Date: 31 Aug 1992 23:00:38 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bls@sector7g.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sector7g

In article 11567@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU, curtis@berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
> How about Divine [for Queen of the USA]?

I don't know if you were *deliberately* Geoffing, but Divine is even
deader than Freddy Mercury.

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        The above does not necessarily represent Sun policy.
          It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.
From: rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: The unbearable shitsubo of being
Keywords: Losers
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:00:37 GMT
Followup-To: alt.peeves
Organization: Netcom - SF Bay, Cal Northifornia

In article <1992Aug26.040929.21530@cs.umb.edu> Michael S. Zraly writes:

> [ ... ]
>ObBob(Dylan): "God said to Abraham 'kill me a son'.  Abe said 'what!
>	You must be putting me on!'..."

	God said to Abraham,
	"Kill me a son."
	Abe said,
	"Man, you must be puttin' me on!"
	God said,
	"No."
	Abe said,
	"What?"
	God said,
	"You can do what you want, Abe, but
	the next time you see me comin' 
	you better run."

Large Peeve: We'll never see anything as good as "Highway 61" from
Dylan again.

>Mike Zraly		The first duty of a revolutionary is to get away

-- 
Rick Gordon       |  "Loud is good." 
rickg@netcom.com  |    -- Frank Loesser
From: Nathan.H.Saunders@dartmouth.edu (Nathan H. Saunders)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: The unbearable shitsubo of being
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:45:02 GMT
 <l982omINN6us@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> 
 <1992Aug24.154520.13273@access.usask.ca> 
 <1992Aug26.142644.13539@dg-rtp.dg.com> 
 <l9pv52INNkfr@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>  <1992Aug28.204214.9375@dg-rtp.dgc
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Aug28.204214.9375@dg-rtp.dg.com>
cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy) writes:

> In article <l9pv52INNkfr@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>
> |> When I was in junior high, I knew this family whose four daughters had
> |> neames all ending in -een: Doreen, Colleen, Noreen, and one more that I
> |> forget.  Fittingly, they were all a pain in the ass.  
> 
> I had a friend in school named Dexter.  His siblings were named Duriece,
> Darren and Devane.  I think it was the drugs.
> 

In high school I was good friends with a girl who was the oldest child
of four.  Her parents were born-again christians and the strictest
parents I have ever know.  I ate dinner at their house once, and none
of the kids said a word unless their parents adressed them.  A four
year old kid, silent at the dinner table?  I never thought I'd see it.

Before I draw even more flames about "That's the way kids should be"
here are their names.

Parents:   Daniel and Donna
Children:  Donna, Danielle, Deanne, Daniel

> |> I don't understand why parents would go for a common theme with their
> |> kids' names -- or follow any particular pattern or tradition, for that
> |> matter.  Kids are individuals, and their names should reflect that.  
> 

Call me cynical but I think in my example it was a conscious attempt to
deny their kids individuality.

 - nathan
   "Hello, is Donna there?"
   "Which one?"
From: donald@cs.hw.ac.uk (Donald Pattie)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Drivers From Hell
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:43:42 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Aug26.155420.320@hhcs.gov.au> makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin) writes:
>In article <1b87e640.ARN239f@prolix.pub.uu.oz.au>, dac@prolix.pub.uu.oz.au (Andrew Clayton) writes:
>

Lots deleted, probably messing up the accreditation on the way ...

>> My learners permit ran out on the 5th of August. I have to renew
>> it and then get a fucking license. 
>

Mega-peeve : I knew it, I just knew it. 'They' had to tax that eventually.




-- 
Donald Pattie, Dept of Computer Science	|     JANET : donald@uk.ac.hw.cs
Heriot-Watt University			|     ARPA  : donald@cs.hw.ac.uk
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From: makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Mechanics and their ilk
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:41:59 +1000
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services

In article <1992Aug31.013329.23593@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:

>>I'm afraid the US and US citizens get a rather bad write up in the
>>Australian press. :-|
 
> Carl, you seem like a sensible sort, so I'll waste a moment
> and explain the facts of life to you.

I'm 26 Mom, I've known about them for over 16 years.
(TM Bloom County)
 
> The essential component of power is not having to care what
> other people think.  

A major result of power is the unthinking arrogance displayed by
said country's leaders which is ingrained into it's citizens by a
greedy and parochial media.

The US public is brainwashed from birth with a very narrow and
self centered view of the world.  It's always amusing to watch a
US tourist trying to cope with even the minor cultural
differences between the US east coast and a place like Sydney.
(Even more amusing is watching tourists from the US midwest :-)

MajorPeeve:  The local media here have now picked up this
mentality as well.  During the coverage of the Olympic
professional advertising games they only showed events where
there was an "Australian" competing.  (Although a surprising
number of those "Australians" spoke with a slavic accent. :-( )

>                      This is a statement so brief and pithy
> I should repeat it a few more times, until it's thoroughly
> piledriven through your granitic skull, but I'll trust to

Oh, that's ok.  Have another shrimp.

> ability to ignore the opinions of bite-size continents in
> the South Seas.

Ah, I see you majored in geography in university.  Bite sized
indeed, perhaps you'd better take that course basic map reading
again, however you'd better use a foreign map. The US ones only
say "here be dragons".
 
> and FULLY EXPECT, that we'll see no more insolence from Down
> Under.  

<smirk>  I think you're going to be sadly disappointed.

>         After all, this is America.  Manners are everything.

No, this is Australia.  America is that smelly place south of
Canada.

Carl.
-- 
Carl Makin, MVS/ESA Systems Programmer, VAX/VMS Dabbler. 
Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services, Canberra, Australia.
sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au!hhcs!makinc   -   UUCP
makinc@hhcs.gov.au		   -   Internet
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"I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you."
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Moving Peeve
Keywords: Losers
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:25:30 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
Originator: curtis@asp.cs.Berkeley.EDU

In article <1992Aug31.201021.21856@CS.ORST.EDU> tim@physics.orst.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.020939.23888@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>|> 
>|> We landed uneventfully in Oakland.  Well, actually, it seemed
>
>Welcome to the left coast, Curtis.  Now stop talking so damned fast.
>
>As a welcoming gesture to you personally, the long deadlocked CA
>assembly have passed big cuts in higher education.

Hah.  The indicated response to good Gov. Wilson and his seamy
toadies: "Suck me."  CS Berkeley gets all its juice from shaking
down industry and applying power suction to Unca Sam's pendulous
& scarred, but still-bountiful, tits.

c
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Mechanics and their ilk
Reply-To: z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Organization: McOlsen's Lutefisk Burgers -- one served.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:25:42 GMT

 makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin) writes:
>> 	No.  First, there is no such thing as an American race, with the

>Is it occupation time or mutation away from the norm that
>determins a race?  What's the norm and what's the mutation?

	Who gives a shit?  American has only one native population, but
thanks to superior technology and a lack of computational facilities on
Indian reservations they don't count in this discussion, or on the net,
and for that matter they really don't count unless the press gets wind of
something and some liberals read about it, get their shorts in a wad, and
start howling for action.  At that point, the Bureau of Indian Affairs
plays only nine holes of golf and issues a press release saying everything
will be settled.  We then break another treaty just to show them who's boss.
You were asking a serious question?  If you were, I mentioned the American
Indian, and the prime method of determining the native race is to see what's
there when you arrive, but before you take over.

>> 	Second, Peevetown is in America, and hence we don't allow those.
>
>eh?  Don't allow what?

	Cluelessness within our own borders.  Immigration officer!  How'd
this one sneak through? 

>Why should Peevetown be in America?

	Because Geoff is the Mayor, and he's in America.  When you become
Mayor I'll proudly proclaim Peevetown to be in Australia and might even
have a sip of Fosters Lager just to commemmorate the occassion, though you
won't mind if I switch to a real beer shortly thereafter, will you?


--
<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >
From: mhart@blackjack.dt.navy.mil (Michael Hart)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: peevefest east 92 (v1.1/B, subsection F, mod 2)
Keywords: bats, speaking in tongues, walt disney, the ag building by the library, disk drives the size of washing machines,...
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:59:40 GMT

A. Jing Hippy writes:

Laura Potler writes:

>|> attended peevefest east last night along with michael, jenni, david, marc, 
>|> and alex. what a nice group! go figure. :) :)
>|> i think i can safely say that a good time was had by all.

>Well, a good time was had by *me*.

I suspect that a _very_ good time was had by the peevers; some of the
people trying to eat nearby may have been less than ecstatic that 
there was a bunch of young, loud, laughing people close by.

>Everybody seemed to have fun. Lotsa laughter and booze.

>Peeve:  Nobody looks like you think they do.  Jenni is a blonde (which she
>may have actually mentioned in this group) when she should be a redhead,
>Laura has long black hair when it's supposed to be short and brown, Alex
>is entirely too young and clean-cut, and Marc hasn't really posted enough
>for me to make a mental image of him.  Michael has posted a GIF, so that was
>no mystery.

Ain't it the truth!  Dave is much more of a hippy than I had pictured;
Laura, while not the blonde that was in my mental picture, was 
every bit as funny/sharp as I'd imagined from her posts; Jenni
looked more like what I thought Joy looked like (which really doesn't
mean anything, as no one has yet seen Jenni & Joy together :-) );
Marc wowed us with a rendition of something, oh, religious sounding,
in booming Latin (very impressive actually), Alex does _not_ look 
like a lemming, but was dapper looking in the only tie present.

ObWowAin'tItASmallWorld: Laura works for my neighbor, and used to 
rent a townhouse on the street where I live.  Coincidence?

Peeve: Not getting around to posting this till the Thursday after
PeeveFestEast92.  Nevertheless, I certainly had a great time; I 
believe everyone did.  It was certainly a pleasure meeting, talking,
grazing and drinking.  Not to mention drinking.

!Peeve:  In 15 minutes, I leave work for eleven days of vacation!

ObPeeve: No news access while I'm gone.  

See ya all on Sept. 7th.

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From: bls@sector7g.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Scearce)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: *Canadian* Football
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:15:52 GMT
Reply-To: bls@sector7g.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: sector7g

In article 19933@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU, allane@earth.gas.unsw.OZ.AU.gas.unsw.OZ.AU (Allan Evans) writes:
> The Calgary Stampeders [...] last won the Grey Cup in 1972 year (71?)

That's "Gray" Cup.

Another interesting fact for our non-Canadian readers: out of about a
dozen teams, two of them are named "Rough[-]Riders".  That's what I
call good planning.


Brian "No, not after the condom" Scearce
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Brian Scearce                               bls@sector7g.eng.sun.com
        The above does not necessarily represent Sun policy.
          It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.
From: mzraly@ra.cs.umb.edu (Michael S. Zraly)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: The unbearable shitsubo of being
Keywords: Losers
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:09:29 GMT
Organization: UMass/Boston Dept. of Math & CS

geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>
>	[...]
>
>Hear, hear!  What kind of parent would name a kid after a type of briefcase,
>anyway?  The only other Satchel I've ever heard of is former AutoWeek
>writer Satch Carlson, ...

What about the baseball player of yore, Satchel Paige?  I am not sure, but
did he not play with either the New York Dodgers or Giants?  (Yes folks,
they used to be in NY, before I was born.)

>Peeve:  Ignorant elementary school teachers who'd call me "Godfrey" during
>roll call on the first day of class.  [...]

Bah.  Try teaching teachers every year how to pronounce "Zraly".  No, there
is no initial vowel sound.  It's not pronounced like "Israeli", unless you
drop the initial "i".  No there's no vowel in between the "z" and the "r".
Just sound it out...

Now try getting people to spell it correctly.  It's not "ZralEy", "ZARly",
"ZEraly" or any of a number of variations that even my friends used.  it"s
simple, really, isn't it?

Apparently not.

!Peeve: I like having an unusual last name.

Peeve: There are too many people my age named Michael.

>And "Moses?"  ("Let me get this straight: You want us to cut the ends of
>our *dicks* off???")  Ghod, what a set-up for playground harassment!
>Even "Dylan" is pushing it.  That's a *last* name, for crying out loud!

ObBob(Dylan): "God said to Abraham 'kill me a son'.  Abe said 'what!
	You must be putting me on!'..."

>!Peeve:  Ridiculous names from our grandparents' era are becoming extinct.
>Thankfully, nobody seems to be naming the kids Clarence, Walter, Cora,
>Harold, Martha, Viola, Fred or Andrew anymore.

Yes but the "normal" names are truly being mangled.  My godson's name is
"Kristofer" for chrissake, and that's no misprint!

Peeve: My wife and I are the only agnostic/atheist godparents we know.

!Peeve: the look on the faces of people who know our non-beliefs when we
tell them that we are godparents.
-- 
Mike Zraly		The first duty of a revolutionary is to get away
mzraly@cs.umb.edu	with it.	-- Abbie Hoffman
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Hospital waiting room part 1 - Children called Scott.
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:42:16 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <25300@castle.ed.ac.uk> tjc@castle.ed.ac.uk (A J Cunningham) writes:
=>egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
=>>In article <25294@castle.ed.ac.uk> scott@festival.ed.ac.uk (Scott Larnach) writes:
=>
=>>=>Does this explain why we can't predict earthquakes yet?
=>
=>>No problem. Predicting them *accurately*, that costs extra.
=>
=>So you can predict them *inaccurately*, then? Not really a lot of use is
=>it? 

Not really, come to think of it ;-(

=>No doubt if the guvmint shelled out a lot more money for
=>Geophysicists you would be able to predict them a little less
=>inaccurately 

Exactly!! Give that man a carrot!! Now if you'll just write to your MP and
explain how you'd like to pay more taxes to support this research and pay
geophysicists a decent salary.....
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-Jeremy Henderson            |  Une souris verte
 egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk	     |  Qui courrait dans l'herbe
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Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Mechanics and their ilk
Reply-To: z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Organization: McOlsen's Lutefisk Burgers -- one served.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:57:34 GMT

curtis@berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>> makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin) writes:

>>(Even more amusing is watching tourists from the US midwest :-)
>
>Now there's another uncivilized backwater for you.
>We, however, have the balls to admit it.  Hell - we've got
>the balls to brag about it.

	"GO BIG RED!"  Oh, sorry...  No, really, I'm feeling much better
now.  Tomorrow I think I'll make some wallets.


--
<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: mgfrank@avernus.com (Marc G. Frank)
Subject: Re: peevefest east 92 (v./B, subsection F, mod 2)
Keywords: speaking in tongues, the aggie building *behind* the library, disk drives the size of washing machines, Dan Foglesomething
Organization: Maryland Appreciation Society
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:55:14 GMT


In article <992Aug29.05746.279@dg-rtp.dg.com> cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy) writes:

>I think that Marc was just repeating some Monty Python lines, and Alex

It most certainly was not; it was Orff.  Monty Python doesn't translate
well into Latin.  Believe me, I know; I've tried.

Marc "SED NON AMO SPAM!!!!!" Frank

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From: potler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Laura Potler (GSFC))
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Mechanics and their ilk
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:45:12 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus

In article <1992Aug27.131048.322@hhcs.gov.au> makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.134623.6516@umbc3.umbc.edu>, potler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Laura Potler (GSFC)) writes:
>>>> we don't allow those in peevetown. this is *america*,
>>>I see.  Racial discrimination.  Well I never.
>> racial?  
>
>peevetown is for the american race only huh?

i believe the phrase you're looking for is "discrimination on the basis
of national origin". even so, i beg to differ. although, we are an interna-
tional community, surely peevetown has to be someplace. why not new jersey?

obpeeve: when shower curtain liners try to get friendly.
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From: mhart@blackjack.dt.navy.mil (Michael Hart)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Mechanics and their ilk
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:30:12 GMT

In <1992Aug27.134512.3558@umbc3.umbc.edu> potler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Laura Potler (GSFC)) writes:

>>peevetown is for the american race only huh?

Hmmm.  Murrikans are a race now?

>surely peevetown has to be someplace. why not new jersey?

Sure, it needs to be _some_ place.  But, Joizey?  Why?

>obpeeve: when shower curtain liners try to get friendly.

Did I ever mention that I do part time work as a shower curtain?

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