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From: atchison@violin.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: Re: Glen Mason to Ohio State?
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:58:14 GMT

>Michael Doel writes:
>>Steve Casburn wrote:
>>      I'm not making any predictions here -- just pointing out some other
>> possibilities. And if Cooper beats Michigan and wins a bowl game, who knows
>> what will happen with him. It's all up in the air right now.

>I'd say if Cooper is able to do either (provided we beat Indiana this
>weekend), he'll definately be back despite all the hootin' and hollerin' of
>the fans.  That would put us at least at 9-3 which would be our best record
>under Cooper.  You don't fire a guy after his best year.  Granted, he may
>decide to leave on his own, but I'd say that's a pretty slim possibility
>right now.  He doesn't strike me as a quitter (USC game a few years ago
>excepted :-)).

>This leads me to wonder.  How is the mood in Columbus right now regarding
>Cooper?  Are people still all over his case or are they just waiting with
>bated breath for the next loss so they can scream bloody murder once more?
>I'd like to think that if the Buckeyes were able to go 9-3 that people would
>lay off his case for awhile.

They are definitely laying in wait, ready to hang him again.  There ain't no
satisfying some folks.  9-3, with a fluke loss to Illinois, and either a New
Year's Day bowl win or an upset of Michigan, should certainly be enough to
calm the dogs for a while... but it won't be.  Of course, if they trip at
Indiana, it'll be hello Razorbacks on Monday :-} ...

On a related note, I thought it was nice to see Cooper finally get pissed about
something.  The endless unfounded resignation rumors for the past couple of
years have been completely ridiculous, and when Cooper cut off his post-game
press conference, yelled at the media to cut out the bullshit, and left, I had
to smile.  That "southern drawl hospitality" that was a hiring point has worn
thinon me, and I was glad to see he's got a mean side.  Maybe the mediots will
shut up for a week and just let them play, but I doubt it.

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
 Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>; Graduate Student in the
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From: lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (11-7-92)
Keywords: Big Ten
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:22:54 GMT

In article <BxIoBB.2pF@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>Results of November 7:
>
>Though the Citrus Bowl bid looks to be in good shape with Ohio State, the
>Holiday Bowl apparently has an escape clause if the Big Ten's third place
>team doesn't win at least 8 times.  Since that can't happen now, who knows
>what the San Diego bowl will do...
>
>
>STANDINGS
>               CONF CONF CONF   CONF   ALL  ALL  ALL     ALL   PF   PA
>               WINS LOSS TIES    PCT   WINS LOSS TIES    PCT
>               ---- ---- ----  -----   ---- ---- ----   ----  ---  ---
>MICHIGAN          6    0    0  1.000      8    0    1   .944  358  105
>OHIO STATE        4    2    0   .667      7    2    0   .778  217  114
>MICHIGAN STATE    4    2    0   .667      4    5    0   .444  193  234

[Rest of little 10 deleted]

Someone please clarify this for me...  It seems to me that if OSU loses
to Michigan, and MSU beats Purdue and ???? then Michigan State is really
#2.  Does this mean that OSU would go to the Holiday Bowl and the Citrus
Bowl would go elsewhere, or what will happen???  I can't see a 6-5 MSU
team playing the 2nd place SEC team...  OSU, yes, but MSU, I doubt it..
I guess that loss to Illinois is going to haunt my Buckeyes... (OSU-Mich
game would be for Rose Bowl)

Pat Lawson
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From: edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Edmondson)
Subject: Re: Auburn--NCAA comes a callin'
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:05:09 GMT

<JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>This could be serious trouble for Dye and Auburn, especially
>coming on the heels of the sanctions handed down to the Auburn
>tennis and basketball squads for infractions that occured while
>Dye was still AD.

This might be bad for Dye, as they may ask him to resign, but as far
as AU is concerned, I believe that the report when the whole ER thing
came out was that the timing of the two incidents would not merit the
death penalty.  I believe for that to happen the infraction has to
actually occur while one of the other programs was on probation - not
the case at Auburn.

>Jim Thomas
>Penn State

Rich Edmondson, Huntsville, AL
edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov
From: grantham@wish-bone.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bowl Game for Michigan State?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:20:44 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: wish-bone.berkeley.edu

If they end up 6-2 in Big Ten play, they can probably expect the Buckeyes
to finish at 5-3, since they have to play the Michigan juggernaut as season's
end.  That'd put Moo U in sole possession of 2nd place & automatically get
them into whatever bowl was suckered into taking the 2nd place team.  Then,
OSU, probably at 8-3, would go to the 3rd place bowl, which only has an escape
clause if the 3rd place team finishes with fewer than 8 wins.  This seems to me
to be the most likely scenario, but I always hear people talking about how OSU
is going to end up in the 2nd place bowl & the 3rd bowl will be able to opt out
of the Big 10.  Maybe I'm missing something.

(Please forgive my forgetting the names of the bowls that end up with the 2nd &
3rd place teams -- the only bowl that really matters to me is the Rose Bowl.)

Jon (Michigan '92)
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From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: Re: God! Grass DOES grow in the SWC!!
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:24:09 GMT

zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR)) writes:

>Finally!! A SWC team with grass in their home field! TCU's new field looks
>great. I tuned in to the the TCU-Texas game and could not believe what I saw.
>Grass!! Now if only the Big 8 could see this.

Boy, that's great!  If Texas only had grass, we'd have not had 8 players 
injured, 3  gone for the season.   We should start a no turf coalition.

David

-- 
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 Mississippi State University |
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From: sherry@eliot.uucp (Sherry Lake)
Subject: Re:  Virginia vs NCSU game (was My Top 25)
Organization: Systems Center, Inc., Reston, VA, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:19:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.213528.8602@chpc.utexas.edu>, boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.201623.23865@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (odagleD niveK) writes:
> >Is it me, or does it just seem that this kind of behavior is typical of the
> >majority (no, not all) of the fans of UVa? They are just a bunch of spoiled
> >little brats who can't stand it when they don't get their way. 
> 
> While I realized that you prefaced your comments with "majority," and were
> careful to say "no, not all," I think you should temper your judgment... a
> bit. Yes, some UVa fans might fit the description above, but it isn't some
> overwhelming majority. UVa is a good school, with (predominantly) reasonably-
> intelligent students. Football is _not_ the most important thing to many of
> them, and they aren't going to cry about not winning any national
> championships (we're used to not winning championships ;-) ).
> 

   As a Alumnus of the University of Virginia, I have to agree with Jay.  (HI JAY!)
Not all fans are "spoiled little rich kids".  I think the "fans" that you are talking
about are the current students at UVa.  Most of them are use to UVa winning and I guess
accept nothing else.  I, however, remember a time (pre-George Welch) when UVa couldn't
"buy" a game.  The only thing us fans had to cheer about was when the team got a First
Down!!!!  Yes, the fans of today, are spoiled because they are use to UVa winning.  The
"real fans" take the 'Hoos the way they are.  I do think if anyone should be booed are 
the coaches.  See the other replies to this article on the coaching staff of UVa!!!!!!

   Our famous cry from years ago, "Football is over, Wait 'til Basketball season"!!!!!!!!
(That's was in the Ralph Sampson days.)

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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: Michigan, the leaders and the best
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 13:45:31 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <BxIwwC.43C@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>
>Yeah Bryon I have a prejudice against Michigan because they post a lot
>of things like the thread 'Michigan is better than Miami' but won't come
>to Florida to play them. The only 2 meetings between Miami & Michigan were
>in Ann Arbor. So when I see the Michigan people saying how great they are
>I like to remind them that even in their own back yard they can lose
>against a good team.
>

Well I'll make no apologies for Michigan's scheduling or weakness
against top teams (save that most were good when scheduled and
quite a few would rather play here for the revenue).  I would rather
see them play a #1 team in November too.  But since I can't do
anything about that, I'll just have to settle for defending their
honor.
 
No offense taken.  Just wondered why you were so vitriolic.

--
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From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Va Tech and UVa predictions
Keywords: the vanishing cavs...
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:37:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
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Originator: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov

In article <1dc725INNg9s@rave.larc.nasa.gov> mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson) writes:
>close, and UVa has to win this one and the Va Tech game to 
>get a bowl bid.  This could be tight.  But I'm hoping...
>


Not really Michael. Virginia has to win these two games to get a
*good* bowl bid. They could lose one to finish 7-4 and get a bid
to some lesser bowl. 

-- 
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NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.
From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (11-7-92)
Keywords: Big Ten
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:24:34 GMT
Organization: Toshiba America MRI Inc, S. San Francisco, CA.

In article <BxM3Bq.6qD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> landers@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Hazard Class Mage) writes:
>In article <BxIoBB.2pF@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>>
>>November 14:
>>
>>Illinois at Michigan (ABC, 11:00 am, Central, National)
>		       ^^^ Did you mean ESPN here, or is ABC 
>			really picking up 2 Big 10 games, if so
>			is ESPN running a Big 10 game this week?

	Yes this is correct.  ABC will televise 2 games back to back this 
	Saturday.  The first is Illionis @ Michigan, the second is the regional
	game of the week.  Yes in the midwest, the second game is Ohio State
	@ Indiana.  Here on the west coast, our second game is Arizona @ USC.

>>Penn State at Notre Dame (NBC, 12:30 pm Central, National)
>>Ohio State at Indiana (ABC, 2:30 pm, Regional)
>>Purdue at Michigan State
>>Northwestern at Iowa
>>Minnesota at Wisconsin

	Here are college football games on TV this Saturday (these are for the
	west coast, San Francisco bay area, and times are PST).

	ABC:		 9:00am		Illionis @ Michigan
			12:30pm		Arizona @ University of S. California
	NBC:		10:30am		Penn State @ Notre Dame
	ESPN:		 4:30pm		Alabama @ Mississippi State
	Sports Channel:	11:00am		Bringham Young University @ Air Force
			 3:30pm		Washington State @ Stanford

You are welcome to add to this list.

-- 
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Toshiba America MRI, Inc.		Internet: salil@igor.tamri.com	
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opionions expressed are mine and only mine <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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From: news.rice.edu (mls)
Subject: grant teaff
Organization: rice U.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:41:31 GMT

It seems to me that Grant Teaff is complaining a little too much about the
officiating at the Baylor/Texas A&M game.  Bad officiating can be part of
any football game, and for Grant Teaff to cause such a commotion is only
embarrassing to Baylor.  Let it rest already!!!

mls
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: How Billy Joe Hobert Spends Money
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:25:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov6.012518.25771
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Some specifics from the Seattle Times:

	The loan was made by Charles Rice, a nuclear engineer from Idaho
Falls.  It was arranged by Rice's son-in-law, Rudy Finne, a Seattle longshore-
man and golfing partner of Hobert.  Rice had met Hobert only two or three days
before he gave him the first of three loan installments.  When asked why he
made such a large loan to a college student with no security, Rice replied, 
"I thought he was a nice kid."

Hobert said he originally borrowed $25K in April and spent it within a month.
He said he bought a 1991 Camaro for about $9K, and used $5K to pay off his 
wife's Blazer, and $2900 to do the same on a Hyundaihe already owned.  He put
$1200 toward car insurance, spent about $1K on a semi-automatic pistol and 
hunting rifle, and returned $2500 to a woman he had lived with briefly during
his separation with his wife.  

Hobert said he then went back to Rice for another $10K in May and $15K in 
June.  He said he traded in the '91 Camaro for a '92 Camaro, added a $4K
stereo system, and spent much of the remaining money entertaining friends.

Hobert says he has been trying to sell the car for the past several weeks, 
partly because his wife is expecting a baby in February.  He said he will
have to file for bankruptcy if Rice calls for full payment of the loan, 
which according to Hobert carries a 10% interest rate,

"Chuck's been very lenient because he knows I have no money and blew all the
money I had," Hobert said.  "If he wanted to, he could take my butt to the
cleaners.  I'm glad he's a friend.  Hopefully, he'll wait till I get done
with school and get a job before I can start making the full payments."

GT
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From: azzarito@cse.fau.edu (Doug Azzarito)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 2 Nov 92 06:49:53 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

In article <72623@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>
>Oh, PLEASE Gators come through and whip those Dawgs big time.  Cmon, Shane,
>you want that SEC player of the year, don't you, here's your chance.
>PLEASE beat those Dawgs!  Woof Woof!

It was our pleasure.  Now, do we have any Clemson fans who want the gators to 
whip the Gamecocks? :-)

Go GATORS!
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From: boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay))
Subject: Re: SWC Preview for 11/7
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 06:14:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.050155.7655@bnr.ca> Rich Anthony writes:
>
>>HOUSTON at SMU
>>--------------
>>
>>Houston lost 9 turnovers last week but had enough of an offense to
>>still win the game.  If they reduce the number of turnovers, they will
>>have no problems with the ponies.  If they don't reduce the number of
>>turnovers, they will still win against the ponies. Klingler will go
>>all the way at QB again since Douglas, the other starter, is still
>>suffereing from fallen arches. Note: this is SMU's first senior class
>>since they came back from the death penalty. The seniors were on the
>>team that was pasted 95-21 in 1989 by the Cougars in the Astrodome.
>>The won't get revenge or anything, we just thought we'd mention it. ;-)
>>
>>Predictions: Goober  Houston 42, SMU 17
>>
>>
>Didn't we so confidently call this one right? ;)

Yes, we goofed on this one. Badly. BUT, i bet we're not as embarassed
as John Jenkins and the UH football program! ;-)

>SMU is 1 field goal away from .500 (13-12 loss to Tulane)

Yeah, but they are _under_ .500, and against a _very_ weak schedule
so far (Texas A&M is the only ranked team on their schedule).

Jay

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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:36:16 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Nov11.181604.15686@b11.b11.ingr.com> mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:

| In article <BxHKA7.IrE@encore.com>, jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) writes:
| |> News-Software: NN 6.4.16
| |> 
| |> Why don't you ask the teams in the SEC why none of them will play 
| |> Miami on the normal scheule.
| 
| See my posting titled "Alabama and Miami, setting it straight" for Alabama's
| answer to that one.  Bama got tired of beating them.  Ask Miami why they won't
| ask Alabama to schedule them again.


They did ask every team in the SEC to play this year.  The only team that
even want to play was Auburn, which want both games at Auburn.  
No one in the SEC would play at the Orange Bowl, even if they got one
home game to.

But, as soon as Miami gets rated #1 before the bowls,  every one wants
Miami on NYD just to get a shot at the NC.


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From: willmsch@buzz.rtp.dg.com (Royce Willmschen)
Subject: Re: How Billy Joe Hobert Spends Money
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 19:40:47 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <j7==TVA@engin.umich.edu>, chyang@ruapehu.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:

> 	Look, Eric Ramsey received money from people affilated with Auburn.
> Hober got his loan from a guy in Idaho who is in no way affiliated with 
> the University of Washington.  Do you seriously think that the Coaching 
> Staff and the Team, who had no idea that this had taken place, penalized
> for one persons doing.   
> 
> 	Did Hobert came out and accused the University of Washington like
> Ramsey did to Auburn?  No!  What ever happens to Hobert is his own fault.  
> In no way should the University be penalized.
> 
> 	BTW, Don James runs a clear program with harsh discipline.  He is 
> the last person in the face of the earth who would allow any violation of
> NCAA rules to occur.
> 
> - Chung Yang

Nobody noticed Billy Joe driving up to practice in his '92 Camaro with the
semiautomatic hunting rifle in the gun rack?  None of his friends asked about
his new $4,000 stereo?  Sounds like the Sgt. Schultz school of harsh 
discipline to me!

-- 
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From: ongsakul@cs.tamu.edu (Weerakorn Ongsakul)
Subject: Re: what if....
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:15:54 GMT

lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:

>What if Miami loses leaving Alabama and Texas A&M the only undefeated
>teams in the cartel.  Would they be allowed to play each other
>someplace?
>
>John L

If this scenario happens, it is not possible for them to play each other
for a national champion.  SWC and SEC champion is locked to the Cotton
and Sugar bowl respectively. 

Ong
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Re: Northern Iowa no longer unbeaten
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:04:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.125649@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) write
s:
>
>In article <BxGnBJ.E57@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, poutsmaj@mace.cc.purdue.edu (unk
nown) writes:
>>>I think it was actually the other way.  The lack of PDunn's prediction of
>>>their win hurt their chances significantly.

>Probably the crappy weather.  But I'd rather blame Dunn, easier target.

OK Scott--I'll admit it--it was all my fault.:-)

PDunn
From: quendor@hardy.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Hobert, UW on the ropes.
Date: 7 Nov 92 09:37:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington


>I also read that if he is found guilty, they (UW) will most likely have
>to forfeit all the games he has played in.  Wouldn't that make them 0 -
>however many games he has played in?  Wow! So much for the #1 ranking or
>can they still win being technically 0 - whatever, but still won all
>their games?

   I would like to know where you read this. According to what I've read,
since none of the money or conections went through the school or any school
member, coach, etc., the team would most likely not have any sanctions
against it.

   I think he was a dipshit for doing it, myself. As a UW student I feel like
calling up the guy he got the loan from and finding out for myself if Billy Joe
was treated differently from a non-scholarship, non-athlete student.


                                             Don Sowell
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