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Date:         Sun, 27 Dec 1992 02:52:45 -0500
From:         Joan Boorstein <jboor@MOTE.CS.UMB.EDU>
Subject: Re: Blackberries
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Carolyn asks:

> What's the status of blackberry vines where you are? Here, they're considered
> a 'noxious weed' and we're not allowed to grow them in our backyards. This
> always struck me as strange since the local nursery still sells young vines.
> We have to find wild vines growing in the bush.... usually on Council
> property - they prosecute anyone who grows them but they're a bit lax in
> cleaning up their own backyard.... which is just as well, otherwise we could
> only get the tinned variety from other states or overseas.

Blackberries can indeed be noxious as they spread everywhere via underground
runners -- mine just appeared in my backyard and I did not know of their
'spreading' and 'thorn' properties (but I soon found out) -- I'm not that
much a gardener.  However, many homeowners around here will cut them down
whenever they appear in their yards, but they are not banned.  The ones I
have I assume are wild -- stalks will grown up to 10 feet tall (if not cut
down to a reasonable size during the growing season and I don't usually get
to cut all of them) and can have diameters up to 2 inches.  I'm only the one
in the family who likes them enough to pick them, prune them, etc.  Many people
get blackberries by picking in patches in more rural areas (mine is suburban).
I find it interesting that in the last several years blackberries have begun
appearing in regular supermarkets here -- farmers have become aware of their
desirability and I guess can keep them under control, unless they are
growing a different variety.

Joan
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
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> of the wolf spider, who weaves a concealing 'hinged' lid to avoid frightening
> away his next meal pre-pounce.

Is this spider any relation to the
        Doodle bug, doodle bug
        Where are you?
        Doodle bug, doodle bug
        Your house is on fire.
        Doodle bug, doodle bug
        Your house is on fire.
of my childhood?
doris
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Date: 25 Dec 1992 05:34:18 GMT
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In a previous article, ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester) says:

>  hey, thanks for all the cards, ruthbaby.....and natalie and don and others
>too....and it doesn't TAKE two eyes to read a monitory....not like depth
>perceiption is important on a flatscreen.....or that the left eye focuses
>well enough to make any difference anyhow....
>
Join the club; with my glasses off, reading is about all I *can* do.:-)
About the cards - you're welcome; it was a great excuse to go digging though
the stacks.[a library-honed instinct that overwhelms me sometimes :-) ]

>   interesting....i kinda like them....but am not crazy about them....but
>today a package came from andy....my programmer son in chicago....and we

I had the same reaction; the Replacements they ain't, and they can't Get
Close to the Pretenders.:-)  You should hear the tape Akio sent me - 
It's all Japanese Christmas songs.  They're not "traditional" ones, so I can't
make out more than a few words.  The first side sounds like something out of
1978, but the other is more modern.  CBS just broadcast a Midnight Mass from
the West Market Street church [Methodist] somewhere in North Carolina.  Now
*that* was more like it!:-)

>that i am wearing....(it wasn't wrapped....it is a truly wonderful straw
>porkpie....)

Hello Pork Pie Hat!<grin>  

>obviously a book...and it was the NEW Rolling Stone Album Guide...which I did
>not have....and 'coincidentally' as i was thumbing thru it i noticed the

OH lust!  You lucky ..... and with one eye out of commission, you get to sit
around and read it!:) [if you can hack it one-eyed, without frisbeeing the
book....]

>if not quite hacks then certainly not very far removed, specializing in the
>type of roots-rock twaddle beloved by those who like having new albums
>to buy but desperately hate new music."
>
>oh, well.....
>
You can't win 'em all, and besides, what do you want for a buck?  That's all
I paid.:-)
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 13:20:19 CST
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From:         Bud <VB7R0046%SMUVM1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Words-l Epiphany Bash

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
On Tue, 29 Dec 1992, Rita Marie Rouvalis wrote:
>         On a purely egocentric note, this will be your last chance
> to see me as a single woman, since Nico and I are getting married on
> the 10th.
>
>         Comments welcome.
---------------------------------------------------
 Can I come to your bachelorette party?????   :)
                                                Bud
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:55:38 -0600
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Anybody out there?
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Yesterday, when there was almost no mail from the list, I thought it was
probably because everybody had taken the space ship down to Natalie's and
you were all partying away without me.  This morning, though, when I saw
there were no Gleanings, it struck me that perhaps its was uga which was
partying.  Now that his responsibilities as Christmas party host are over,
Natalie, can Bernard please run over and get things cranked up again?
It's vacation...I want my Words-L!
ndh (who hasn't finished all her shopping, but does have a tree
up...undecorated as yet, but UP)
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Date:         Sat, 26 Dec 1992 12:24:10 +0100
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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  >If I thought that, which I certainly don't, then why would I have
  >used Hitler as an example of a person with contemptible, but deeply
  >held beliefs?

  Why indeed? Still, you did suggest that fanaticism is incompatible
with depth of belief; hence my remarks. But even if you do wish to
argue of Hitler and other people with deeply held beliefs that they
cannot be fanatics, this is not a point of any consequence. To my
mind, the interesting part of this exchange lies in your explanation of
your outlook on deep beliefs, according to which Hitler's convictions
reached to the most fundamentally human elements in him, and so on.
With this point clarified, we may consider again your initial objection
to the use of "Jesus" as an expletive. I would agree that on some occasions
one should avoid this usage just to avoid offending people. But
I rather suspect that many Christians would find your explanation of the
sanctity of deep beliefs a great deal more offensive than the profanity.
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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:17:21 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ricemail etc
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              31 Dec 1992 08:53:11 EST from
              <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:53:11 EST Evelyn Duncan said:
>Yes, this new mailer is by a different person (Richard A. Schaffer; he
>has his copyright pop up when one is entering or leaving mail.

   no.......he's been the author of RiceMail all along....check into the
MAILBOOK list.....he IS the author....and has been....

>The mail pickup at midnight was a system program that has been discontinued.

   so not the fault of RiceMail....

>I'm going to have to study this mailer to see how I can adapt it.

   sounds good to me....

   and hope none of this taken as flame....just as general suggestion to
check out what the differences and problems are before flaming away.....

    dan
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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 12:49:32 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: What A Quiet Bunch
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> and that stack of work appears to have *grown*, which is also the sound

Hide it.  That's what I've done with all my still-undone work.  It's buried
under my desk and won't come out till tomorrow at the earliest.

"Un" is one of my favorite morphemes.  Think about my undone work in comparison
with something that has come undone.  Work like grading or writing can't come
undone, yet other work can come undone.  The undone sewing can become done
and later come undone, can't it?  I guess I still have Donne on my mind.
You can have an unread book, but you can't unread a book.  If somebody
mentions something that is unraveled, you're not likely to think that it
has not yet been raveled.  But if somebody mentions undone sewing, you're
more likely to think that it has not yet been done than that it has come
undone.  Or are you?  Never mind.  Today isn't a morphological sort of day.

Bernard just ate cornbread and black-eyed peas.  I hope all of you have done
likewise.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:38:15 EST
From:         Rashmi <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Red Line Story
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              Karlson 753-6980" at Dec 18, 92 2:12 pm

Aaron:
> : BTW, the father of one of my NYU friends is the head of safety at
> : SEPTA...will there be insurance  available for this Seat Sit-in? :)
Steve:
> Are you referring to the SEPTA's ongoing financial problems?  I would
> guess if the trains are running, there is insurance.  The seat sit-in

Is SEPTA's safety record any different from other mass transit orgs?  I can
remember only one bad accident (3-4 casualties) in the past six years,
strictly off the top of my head.

-rashmi
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 11:10:35 EST
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject:      Happy Holidays
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I want to wish a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Merry Yule, and a
Happy Hannukah to everyone on this list!

Evelyn
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:53:33 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Questions
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> Ah yes, light-from-rubbing: another explanation-by-naming.
> Natalie should feel reassured.

Oops!  I just remembered that I left a long posting from Tushar abandoned
in mbox when I had to log off to be sociable to a guest several hours ago.
Since I'm fading fast now, I may not make it back to mbox tonight.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:16:52 EST
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs

*** Resending note of 12/23/92 12:24

>Karen's comments on Aaron's analysis:
>> This is such bullshit.
[  ]
>What she (and //anne// and Susan) said.
>-rashmi

..and some know the obstacles they will face.    I probably should keep my
mouth shut on this, but while I see elements of truth in both Aaron's and
Karen's veiwpoint, I don't think such women are "lucky".  Excuse me, if I
use Dawn as an example, but it's timely and let's me see things from a
young lady's viewpoint.  Dawn, almost 16 now, is extremely beautiful...
she has a dynamite smile, gorgeous long hair, and a fantastic figure.  She
can easily pass for 22 or more.  She is also an excellent student, works
very hard and get excellent grades....she has a very good mind in the
pretty head.  But she already experience and know the power she can have
over men (quote "....guys follow me around like little puppy dogs, drooling
with their tongues hanging out....").  She has already been (for several
years now) subject to types of harrasement from males ...that would (or
should) get them fired if it occurred in a workplace.  She does not dress
seductively or suggestively .... yet attracts unwanted attention.  She is
well aware of how she is viewed by some (ex:  we were in mall and some
glamour shot place wanted to take pictures of her ... well, some of the
pictures might have been alright for her age, but many I don't think
would be appropriate for any young teenage girl ...adult ok.  I didn't
say anything, but her comment let me know she thinks pretty straight ..
she says: "I know what kind of picture they want of me ...I'd be on a
calendar, sitting on a motorcyle, wearing nothing but a big smile, with
the slogan - "check out my equipment!").  Well, surprised me a little,
but let me know Dawn at least is not naive.  Maybe some day some doors
will open for Dawn, that will not open for others less attractive, but I
feel certain if such happens, it will be her brains and business
ability that keep her there, not her appearance.  OK, maybe I am naive.
And some men get places because they look like John Wayne, Clint Eastwood,
James Arness, you get the idea.  Yeah, I know, Alan Ladd did OK.  Got to
get back to work.
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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In a previous article, gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) says:

>In article <01GSKZND44DS0019M3@opie.bgsu.edu> CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu writes:
>:I belittle and mock such beliefs as I have the wit and opportunity to do so.
>:I dispute the argument that mocking and belittling beliefs "does no one any
>:good."  In point of fact, satire and mockery are highly effective tools of
>:discourse.  I much prefer them to bombs and punji sticks, myself.
>
>And people who hold beliefs so strong 'they're willing to die for them'
>(which usually reads they're willing to risk death while trying to kill
>someone else...) scare me shitless.  Those are the ones that deserve
>ridicule and dispute most of all.
>
Graham, it's that kind of generalizatin that got you into trouble the *last*
time.  There have been quite a few people over the centuries who held 
beliefs so strongly they were willing to die for them, and were unwilling to
kill because of them. Usually, the latter was a direct result of the former.
The Catholic church calls them martyrs, if they're Catholic.  I don't
know what followers of Hinduism or Islam call them.  What about those who
won't pick up so much as a paper clip to save themselves, but would put
their own bodies in harm's way to save someone else?  People who are willing
to die for what they believe in often are the last people you have to be
scared of, and as for said "people", they probably wouldn't be scared of 
you.  

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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:50:03 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      A footnote on Digicom modems...
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For those of you who were talking about getting the Prodigy offer...

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From: darylm@illian.mnet.com (Daryl V. McDaniel)
Subject: Re: Prodigy's "Eagle" modem
Summary: V.32bis NOT

In article <1992Dec17.185008.17205@trintex.uucp> elr@trintex.uucp (Ed Ravin)
 writes:
>In article <hatton.724477507@cgl.ucsf.edu> hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom
 Hatton) writes:
>> I think the Prodigy version [of the Digicom modem] is [not V.32 bis]
>>... I could be mistaken.
>
>The Digicom Eagle modem being sold over the Prodigy service is a complete
>V.32bis/ V.42bis / fax modem.
 ^^^^^^^

THIS IS NOT TRUE!  My wife received her Eagle modem last night.  It is
V.32, and NOT V.32bis.  Quoting from the manual:

        The Eagle V.32 fax/modem can be upgraded from a V.32 9600 bps
        data modem to a V.32bis 14,400 bps data modem, resulting in a
        50% increase in data transmission speed without effecting fax
        capabilities in any way.

        For more information regarding the Eagle modem upgrade, please
        contact Prodigy Services Company.  In the upcoming months,
        Prodigy will be providing details regarding upgrade
        procedures, policies and pricing.

        NOTE:  All references to Eagle+ apply to an upgraded Eagle
        modem.  If you have not yet upgraded your modem, these
        features are not yet available to you.

The use of the word "effecting" instead of "affecting" is theirs, not
my typo.

I hooked the modem up and checked it out.  It is definately NOT
V.32bis.  Otherwise, it works OK.

There is NO documentation provided on the FAX capability.  No
commands, response codes, or even mention of FAX except they keep
calling it a "fax/modem".

The original ad in the "Prodigy Star" (which I still have) states that
the modem is V.32bis.  Unless the pricing of the upgrade is $0.00
(FREE) then they have been a bit deceptive on this from the start.
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From:         Tony Harminc <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: John's History Question
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Posted on 3 Jan 1993 at 00:09:56 by Anne Burton Harwell

Either Anne is still on Texas time or she's learning to keep
Graham hours.

Tony H.
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Date:         Fri, 25 Dec 1992 17:10:34 -0600
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: [Reindeer-print] Brief Follow-Up
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On Fri, 25 Dec 1992, Ruth M. Hanschka wrote:
> >
> Brandy?  Who needs brandy to transpose eltters, er letters?  I do it all
> the time; my brain goes too fast for my fnigers, uhmmmm, fingers.;-)

Welcome to the club, Ruth.  I seem to remember this reasoning being
presented not too long ago, and from my very own fingers, too.  If I
remember correctly, it was determined that I am not a fantastically speedy
typist, just an incredibly slow thinker.  On second thought, you don't
belong in this club. :-)

>
> Merry Christmas, K00l Yule, Happy Solstice, Stompin' Saturnalia, Happy
> Chanukah, or just plain good wishes to all, and to all a good night.
>
And the same to you.  I've spent the last couple of hours trying to
install a piece of software that our daughter's boyfriend gave me, but to
no avail.  It is The Software Toolworks' _World Atlas_ and I have been
able to get past the "installation disk" and seven of the nine other
disks, but midway through the eight disk I get the message that there is a
file error and the procedure is aborting.  At the moment I am attempting
to install it on my laptop.  Wish me luck.

doris
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Boyfriend from hell!
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:What movie are you referring to? There was a recent release of an Australian
:movie titled "Boyfriend from Hell" starring Cheech Moran in the title role,
:but since that was a comedy and he wasn't the 'pathological murdering' kind,
:you can't be referring to that one.

None in particular.  <X> From Hell is a popular theme at the moment.
(eg Misery: Fan From Hell; Babysitter From Hell; Murdering Bi Bitch from Hell
etc...)

G
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Date:         Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:48:23 +0100
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Holidays
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              24 Dec 92 16:43:41 -0500. <9212242144.AA19280@sics.se>

   >Translation?  Well, whatever makes you happy, I guess ...

  Alas, making me happy has nothing to do with it. It is all a matter of
avoiding and averting the horrible consequences of my earlier sloth.

  >Dirty rice?  I've never heard of it.  Does the term refer to
  >wild (or brown) rice, perhaps?

  It may be a Southern Thing. According to the insufferable Robicheaux,

          The owner served fried chicken and dirty rice that could
          break your heart.
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>Yes, this looks like an especially delectable **E-OOPS**!@#!@#!@#
>
>-abh

No, it only looks like an e-oops because of the parts I deleted.... and that
was intentional. ;-)

Carolyn
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:54:04 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Deep beliefs
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On Wed, 23 Dec 1992 09:23:30 -0600, "Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik"
 <amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
> I don't guess you've ever been hooted at and ogled on the street by
> perfect strangers too often.  Ya know, each time it happens I keep waiting
> for that special inner glow -- that one that tells me that Cindy Crawford

I have occassionally, and I secretly admit I rather enjoyed it, though
only for the novelty value.  If it happened all the time (fat chance)
I guess I'd get pretty pissed off pretty quickly.

G
(PS I also had my bottom pinched by a strange woman in Princes St in
Edinburgh when I was about 17.  If she was a redfem trying to make a
point, it didn't work, because I grinned from ear to ear :) )
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From: kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey)
Subject: Re: Merry X
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:47:23 GMT

CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu writes:

>As for Aaron, I regret I don't have the time to post a note responding
>to his typically stupid post.  I hope, though, Santa puts a hot coal
>in Dickey's jockstrap.

Here's hope for a holiday of hate to you too, Marty.  And my condolences
to the members of your family who will have to suffer through your
meanspirited bullshit during what should be a joyous occasion.

--Aaron