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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Pray for MWS
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:37:33 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep28.211601.14640@wheaton.wheaton.edu> rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu (Richard M. Bennema) writes:
 
>I've heard this from a grapevine, but it's a Christian, big-name grapevine 
>consisting of two people who I don't think would lie about this (ie, I trust my
>source completely, but I haven't personally witnessed this).  Lately, Nashville
>has been invaded by secular labels waving big contracts with big bucks and
>possessions attached to them.  These contracts also include a clause that says
>to say or do whatever you want, just don't mention Jesus in your songs.  This
>is not a joke!

No argument that we should pray for MWS, just as we should pray for all
other Christian performers.  But sorry, I have to wonder about your  
sources.  Geffen, Smith's label, is hardly a Christian label, but 
they have several artists on their roster who record blatantly
Christian songs.  Check out Peter Case's "The Man with the Blue,
Post-modern, Fragmented, Neo-Traditional Guitar" or Victoria Williams'
"Swing the Statue" albums to see what I mean.  Both albums mention
Jesus in very positive, uplifting terms.  

Nashville has always been dominated by secular labels.  It's the 
unofficial capital of country music, and country music is *very*
big business and big money these days.  But you know what?  Jesus
is and always has been one of the mainstays of country music, right
up there with mama, trains, pickup trucks, whiskey, jukeboxes, and
honky-tonks.  An edict to not mention Jesus in songs would be
idiotic and suicidal from a business standpoint.  Country music sells 
best in the Bible belt, and you can bet that Bubba and Wanda Jean 
want Jesus with their pedal steel guitars.  I have a hard time believing 
that the A&R people would be so shortsighted as to cut off their profits.  
It just ain't gonna happen.  

>				Please Pray,
>				Richard M. Bennema
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Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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From: Scott.E.Lawrence@dartmouth.edu (Scott E. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Extreme
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:09:59 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I just looked at the titles yesterday and how the album is divided up:
   Mine
   Yours
   and The Truth
The names of the songs were equally as interesting.  I'm curious too,
but not enough to buy the album and check it out.  I'm not very into
their style and am afraid that I wouldn't get that 16 bucks worth. 
What are the lyrics like?  I don't know of anyone who has the album.  A
word of caution, though.  Titles and even lyrics that allude to
Christianity could mean diddly...but yes, it'd sure be cool!
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: iba@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Wayne Iba)
Subject: Donna Godchaux -- Zoe(?)
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:44:45 GMT


Years ago, after Keith and Donna left the Dead, and Keith died, I
recall hearing that Donna became a christian and was singin in a band
called Zoe (?).

I never did hear anything of theirs or anything about them since, but
I liked Keith and Donna's solo album on round records and imagine that
I might like Zoe's music.

Can anyone give me any information?  Opinions on similarities between
later music and Keith & Donna/Dead music.  

--wayne (iba@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov)
From: David.Eaton@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Listening Suggestion
Date: 30 Sep 92 06:36:26 GMT
Organization: University Of Michigan, Ann Arbor

An election year tip.
I think everyone should listen to Steve Taylor's 'It's a Personal Thing'
while listening to candidates talk.
I just listened to the the "On the Fritz" tape tonight for the first time in
a long while, wow.  It'll be on non-stop for a while.
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: so what should i get?
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:43:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: uoft02.1992Oct2.124306.10291

well, i went to the store today & couldn't find -anything- that
was on my list... oh, they could order it, but being the kind
of immediate satisfaction fellow i am, i was pretty disappointed.

the good news is that i found sam phillips' cruel inventions CD
in the used bin. bought it, took it home & love it already. this
stuff is -good-.

jason

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From: dmaxwell@auc.trw.com (Doug Maxwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is a certain type of music bad?
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:58:56 GMT
Reply-To: dmaxwell@dora.UUCP (Doug Maxwell)
Organization: TRW Denver Operations

In article <1992Oct1.202038.2515@cs.rose-hulman.edu> anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson) writes:
>This is a real problem.  I really want to take my children to concerts.  But  
>it seems that at almost every concert, the volme is so loud that it hurts  
>their ears (mine too, but I am more sensitive about theirs).  

Try ear plugs.  The compressable foam type are pretty cheap and do a good
job of blocking out the more painful frequencies while still allowing the
vocals to be heard.  

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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is a certain type of music bad?
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:32:11 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

In article <1OCT199214430876@phobos.ucc.umass.edu>, s9877751@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9877751) writes:

[stuff about music and "narrow mindedness deleted]

|> Oh, please.  Lazy thinking--gimme a break.  Listen, being narrow-minded
|> is extremely bad.  Just look where we would be today if Copernicus had been
|> afraid, or rather held back by the Church for publishing his documents on\
|> the solar system!  Copernicus said that the solar system was Heliocentric,
|> while the Church preached the age old doctrine of the solar system being
|> Geocentric, with the earth at the centre and all the other planets revolving
|> around it!  When Copernicus told about his theory, he was riddiculed by the
|> Church and made to confess his sins!  Yeah, narrow-mindedness is a great thing.
|> Sorry if this has little to do with music, but I just could not help myself.

   For every such example of "bad norrow mindedness" there is another
opposing example of "good narrow mindedness." Most people only attach
the term "narrow minded" to concepts or beliefs which exclude that which
they hold dear. For example if I say that 1 + 1 = 2 but you are convinced
that 1 + 1 = 3, then you would call me narrow minded. It's just an 
ad hominem argument and quite worthless.

-- Tim
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From: merk@unislc.uucp (John Merk)
Subject: Looking for Soundgarden-style Christian Band
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:51:34 GMT

I'm wondering if there are any Christian bands yet with the
"Seattle Sound", ie. grunge?

John

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From: sci40027@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO CHOO LIANG)
Subject: Re: Is a certain type of music bad?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 13:23:58 GMT

	Hi!
	I think basically there's nothing wrong with any kind of music.
Firstly, music is created by God so that we can worship Him with songs
and music.  We can see this being mentioned in many places in the bible
(esp Psalms, etc).  Also, we are going to worship Him through eternity!
	Why then do we still have to be careful with the kind of music 
we listen to? The reasons are as follows:
	1) Some songs contain lyrics that are promoting very ungodly 
values which inevitably will influence our thinking and values.
	2) Some music are written with some specific purpose like
allowing our spirits to "unite" with some other spirits.  These kind of
music, although they do not have harmful lyrics, make us open ourselves
to the work of the evil one.
	Most people object to rock/heavy metal/etc music mainly because
they found a lot of type (1) music in rock/heavy metal/etc music.  I
personally do not disagree to such music, and I approve of such
Christian rock/heavy metal (although I don't listen to them!) because I
think that this is one way we can win people who listen to such music to
Jesus.
	Conclusion: Listen with care! Even secular music is ok, as long
as you know what you are listening to does not disagree with the bible.
As for Christian rock/heavy metal/etc, listen to them if you enjoy them.
And pray that there will be more people like yourself to come into God's
Kingdom because of the music of such rock/heavy metal groups!

	GOD BLESS!

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From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:13:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Performance package
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller) writes:

> 
> By the way, notice that musico-drama works seem to fall under fair use by 
> churches as well. This seems a bit at odds with many company's requirement of
> the purchase of <x> copies "to get the performance right". Are they bluffing?

Just realized that  these scripts were invariably *dramatic* (no music). 
Performance rights to dramatic works is more strictly protected from "fair
use" provisions...

Bob (over and out...again) Miller rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: "Rebellion" lyrics
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:04:26 GMT

In article <graikund.717506893@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au> graikund@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Gitesh Raikundalia) writes:
>Hello fellow Christians,
>	
>	Does anybody out there know the lyrics to Sacred Warrior's 
>"Rebellion" song? 
>
>							Thanks in advance,	
>								Gitesh


OH man you would ask me a mega stumper!

I only remember part of the chorus: "Your mind of rage, REBELLION"..

Phil

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From: psurge@cs.utexas.edu (Troy Carpenter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: "Rebellion" lyrics
Date: 28 Sep 1992 13:09:42 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <graikund.717506893@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au> graikund@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Gitesh Raikundalia) writes:
>Hello fellow Christians,
>	
>	Does anybody out there know the lyrics to Sacred Warrior's 
>"Rebellion" song? 
>
>							Thanks in advance,	
>								Gitesh

Here's my best shot from memory (and not hearing the song in over a year!)

--------------
Rebellion, Sacred Warrior

Well you're goin' downtown to the city lights
you're lookin for a high that you just can't find
well you're fallin from God and its such a shame
But satan is the one that you gotta blame

but there's an answer in your heart
you know the truth, now play your part
yes there's an answer and He's waiting for you
turn back to Jesus you know what to do

Give it up
your mind of rage, rebellion

--------------------

The song then repeats, if I remember correctly.  Makes me want to go and re-
listen to that cassette (one of their best, IMHO).


                                Troy Carpenter
                        Department of Computer Sciences
                        THE University of Texas, Austin
                              psurge@cs.utexas.edu

"You're so open minded that your brain leaked out" - Steve Taylor

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From: paulmc%radian@natinst.com (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Re: Santana...Christian????
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:51:36 GMT
Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, Texas


Not to pass judgement or burst anyone's bubble....but Santana was
scheduled to play at last year's Freedom Fest here in Austin, a free
concert with about 100,000 fans each 4th of July.  He was, however,
unable to make it to the concert because he was in jail in Houston for
possession of a controlled substance (marijuana).  I guess smoking dope
doesn't preclude one from being a Christian; we all have our vices.  And
it may be that he was only carrying it and was going to light up, but
not inhale, ala Bill Clinton :).


Paul Conditt
Just a hacker at the
Radian, Corp.
Austin, TX - the most wonderful place in Texas!
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: anyone know about the Warning?
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:16:14 GMT

about 2 years ago i heard a tape-of-a-tape of a band called the Warning.
i had previously seen a review of one of their albums & was rather
curious. 

it turns out the Warning is a straight punk band who's lyrics don't 
spare anyone or anything. are they still around? is their stuff being
distributed anywhere? it's not exactly mom-n-pop CMC store fare, 
(the cover of "Cut the Crap" has a picture of Christ, naked & bleeding
lying across a jumble of advertisements) so i don't have any idea
where to start looking even.

all i remember from the tape was a song called "A day in the life of
a California Christian". it's the sort of thing that makes you laugh
& feel convicted at the same time...

jason steiner

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From: u925816@postoffice.utas.edu.au (The DOK)
Subject: Re: LSU/Breakfast w/ Amy
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:50:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.192106.3411@memstvx1.memst.edu>, urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
> 
> In article <Iekp_cu00aw5Q_dFEC@andrew.cmu.edu>, Christina Marie Smith <cs63+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> > One more question - I have BWA's Everything... and just got Love Gift,
> > but never got around to investing in Dad and haven't heard anything off
> > of it yet either.  Is it worth buying, and how does it compare to the
> > other two albums?
> 
> Well, now that you mention it, Dad is a FANTASTIC BW/A tape. Since I have
> ne'er heard their prior tape I can't compare to it,
> 

"Everything Was Beautiful And Nothing Hurt" is very different from Dad
(I haven't got Love Gift) it's more sixty-ish and may I say tame. Not bad
at all tho', I f you can at all give it a listen.

     The DOK

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From: AVERNON1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Andrew Vernon)
Subject: Re: Metallica
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:11:01 GMT

 
Of course, after all is said and done, regardless of any agreement/dispute
about Metallica's politics and/or morals, They're still just an excessive
burst of noise. I thought this was about music...
 
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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Michael W on Regis and Kathy Lee
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:10:13 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <107410206@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller) writes:

>Even read through my andy's-being-sarcastic (tm) filter ;-) I think you are
>overstating it a bit. I can think of several less-than-amy-grant-gorgeous CCM 
>artists who are doing rather well by just making (good?) music. Examples:

>Rich Mullins
>Charlie Peacock
>Sandi Patti
>Julie Miller
>Ashley Cleveland
>Scott Wesley Brown   <<< what a hunk!!!
>(the late) Mark Heard
>Margaret Becker      <<< OK, she's not exactly UGLY, but...

>Any other nominations???


Now, this is an interesting thread.  Ugly CCM artists we know and love! 
This group rarely stays dull for long.  

I haven't been to many CCM concerts, so I can only go by album covers ...
but the thing is, anyone can look good with the right make-up, lighting,
and photo touch-ups.  They also look pretty good clothed in the
righteousness of Jesus Christ.  In fact, they look _real_ good. 
Beautiful, even.



-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
From: spinoza@next08wor.wam.umd.edu (J. Skorecki-Weiss)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: is a certain type of music bad?
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:57:49 GMT

In article <69908@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King)  
writes:
  "Man made fire?  Of course not!  Everybody
> knows Prometheus invented it, and merely TAUGHT it to Man..."
> 
> C'mon, let's give credit where credit is due!
> 
> 
Fire existed in the Heavens on Mt. Olympus long before Prometheus gave it  
ot Man. He did not invent fire. He merely stole it and gave away its  
secrets to Man. That's why he wound up tied to a rock, perpetual pate`
for an overgrown vulture-type thingy. After the secrets of fire had been  
revealed to Man, humans went on to many more developments, including Spam,  
Newark (New Jersey) and the GOP. Hmmmmmmmm, it would seem Prometheus got  
exactly what he deserved................................



pip pip, cheerio, and like that

j skorecki-weiss
-Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing for Fun 'n' Profit
From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Legality of copying individual songs
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:48:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Sep30.174822.27665
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep30.143139.5373@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>In article <90927@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>>I like to make tapes off of my CDs, sampler tapes of my favorites or
>>"mood" tapes that I play on certain occasions.  I'm not selling them to
>>anyone, though I do lend them.  On two occasions, I've given them to
>>people.  Would the latter be illegal but the former be legal?  If I just
>>listen to them myself, is that legal?  
>
>Yes, the latter is illegal.  The only way to legally transmit music to another
>person is to give them the original recording, just like software.

This is true.  But in the case of sampler tapes, I wonder if the law
isn't too restrictive for its own good.  I play DJ in my head all the
time.  I actually fritter away a surprising amount of time putting
together thematic sets - songs from different albums and often radically
different musical genres that are connected by some idea.  Sometimes I
manage to fritter away even more time by recording the songs on my own
private sampler tapes.  And so I end up with things like "The Angel
Tape" - a ninety minute cassette of songs about angels, and "The
Baghdad Bop" tape, ninety minutes of songs about the Middle East and
modern warfare, and "The Round About Midnight" tape, ninety minutes 
worth of various jazz and rock musicians performing different takes
on Thelonious Monk's composition "'Round Midnight."  

For some perverse reason I love putting these tapes together, and I
often lend them to people I know for their perverse listening pleasure.
Occasionally I even give them away.  And you know what?  I find that
my friends often run out and buy the music found on the sampler tapes.
I don't know if my experience is typical, but I've found that record
companies and recording artists actually make *more* money because
I've pillaged a song from one of their albums.  

But Noel's right - it's illegal.  The correct thing to do seems fairly 
clear to me when the issues are taping entire albums or selling pirated 
tapes.  Giving away sampler tapes seems less morally clear to me.  I plead 
guilty.  I'm just a little mystified by an illegal practice that seemingly 
harms no one and generally benefits the parties for whom the law is designed 
to protect.  

>Noel Estabrook          |       Let us not merely do that which is our
>noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	RIGHT, rather, let us desire to do that
>Educational Technology  |	which IS right - Me
>Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
>
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>Noel Estabrook          |       Let us not merely do that which is our
>noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	RIGHT, rather, let us desire to do that
>Educational Technology  |	which IS right - Me
>Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2

Is there a reason why you want your .sig to appear twice, Noel?

Andy Whitman
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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Legality of copying individual songs
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:24:59 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep29.190033.6432@wdl.loral.com> trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:
>
>   Technically, even copying a single song for someone else is
>illegal.
>

I like to make tapes off of my CDs, sampler tapes of my favorites or
"mood" tapes that I play on certain occasions.  I'm not selling them to
anyone, though I do lend them.  On two occasions, I've given them to
people.  Would the latter be illegal but the former be legal?  If I just
listen to them myself, is that legal?  



-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

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