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From: cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Gore's Entropy Crisis Scenario :-)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:59:49 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

This post is based on the following drieux-ism:
>
> Entropy, Its not Just a Good Idea
> IT's The LAW!!!
>
     What do you think would happen if someone were to explain
the concept of entropy to Vice President Al Gore (a tear rolls
down my cheek as I concede victory to Bill and Captain Planet)?  
Since I have read Gore's book, _Earth in the Balance_,
let me give my scenario.

GORE:  "My fellow Americans, we are in a crisis.  We are 
producing entropy at a higher rate than ever before.  
More entropy was produced under Reagan/Bush than all 
of the previous administrations combined!  The
impact of this crisis cannot be fully assessed without
the knowledge that once we produce entropy, we cannot
eliminate it.  You may be asking "what is creating this
entropy" and "how will this affect the planet."  I would
respond by saying that practically *everything* 
on this planet produces entropy -- electrical appliances,
automobiles, air conditioning, fire, and friction, to name
a few.  I would respond to the second question by saying
that not just the planet, but the whole universe, will
be "dead" when we create all of the entropy.  Scientists
have proven that there are "entropy holes" over both
Kennebunkport and Antarctica."
     "You are probably now asking "what can we do to stop
this destruction of the universe."  I have a plan -- a
Universal Marshall Plan -- that will buy us more time.
First of all, we must *ban* all irreversible processes
by the year 2000, and we must find suitable reversible process
equivalents.  For example, all forms of friction will be 
banned, some forms of chemical reactions will be banned,
heat transfer will be banned.  I call this part of the plan
the "Law of Entropy" -- if you produce entropy, you are
in violation of the law.  Secondly, we must have massive
aid to Third World countries, payed for by you, the American
tax payer.  You ask, "why?"  You say, "what does this have
to do with entropy?"  My response is that President Clinton
and I have been in consultation with Carl Sagan, and he
assures us that this is the proper course to follow."
     "May Mother Earth bless you and may Gaia bless the United
States of America."

     Waiting for '96,
      C. Perttunen
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From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Quayle is more charitable than Gore
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:46:08 GMT
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bena@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling) writes:
: cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu wrote:
: :      Here's an interesting little piece I found in the October 5
: : National Review (pg. 12, col. 2):
: : 
: :                          ...  The Quayles gave $5,670, or 3 per cent
: :      of their income, while the Gores gave $1,727 -- less than 
: :      1 per cent. 
: : 
: :      C. Perttunen
: 
: And you believe those figures.   Gee, I guess no Republican would ever 
: lie would they ?

Certainly not!  Just ask Kemp, and look at the Republicans' advertising!

(PS: ;-)

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Marrou/Lord in '92
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,tx.politics
From: ziauddin@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Tasneem Ziauddin)
Subject: Bizarre Clinton Love Child Rumor
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:38:46 GMT

I know this sounds strange but I am not making it.  A co-worker told me that
there is an allegation that Clinton has a black "love child" somewhere in
Arkansas.  While this charge does not change my opinion of him, I'm still
interested in finding out more.  Has anyone else heard this rumor and have
any information on it?

Thanks.
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From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: The Difference Between Conservatives and Libe
Organization: Quake Public Access
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:42:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.224150.20383@technology.com> judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.134020.16348@news.uiowa.edu> bnolte@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Bill Nolte) writes:
>>From article <1992Sep15.180936.6562@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>, by krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger):

>> Conservatives think that liberals are wrong.
>>> Liberals think that conservatives are stupid.

I think you have a point there.  It also points out the fact that the 
conservatives as a whole have very few positive positions...they are 
generally opposed to the liberals, but although there are many constituancies,
they are not coherently FOR anything in particular.  In my opiinion, that's
why they are not gaining ground. 

>>Liberalism stands for collective rights and collective responsibilities.
>>Conservatism stands for individual rights and individual responsibilities.

>	Liberalism stands for individual rights and social responsibility;
>	Conservatism is a euphemism for fear.

Geez!  Liberals are completely opposed to individualism and individual rights.
They can't stand anyone becoming successful by individual effort.  If such
a thing occurs, they demand that the individual "share".  If such a thing
doesn't occur, they insist that the way to make it happen is collectivistic
"cooperation" whereby third parties are robbed to support the industries
in favor by the political elite.  (There are some conservatives of this kind
too.)

The idea that liberals are in favor of individual rights is quite a joke.
It's too bad the liberals don't know it's funny.

--Brian
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: BUSH LOSES VETO FIGHT!! [Bush 35, Congress 1]
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:00:02 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <9210060146.AA58813@sub.its.rpi.edu>, buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
> 
> I just saw on CNN that Bush's 36th veto was just over-ridden. So the Cable
> Regulation Bill becomes law despite Bush. Of course it is unclear whether
> cable rates will go up or down, but Bush losing a veto fight seems like a
> progressive result.

	It's really sad.  Another example of not getting rid of all government
inteference is seen as needing more government interference to fix.

	Cable rates will go up.  The broadcast networks will be able to charge
cable companies for redistribution, basic cable rates will skyrocket.

	Welcome back to the 70s, people.

Brett                                                      
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From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Legislation of morality
Date: 25 Sep 92 22:43:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <qa7evrc@zola.esd.sgi.com> erik@westworld.esd.sgi.com (Erik Fortune) writes:
>Take a ride on the clue bus, bozos.   
>
>AIDS is now the #1 killer of men and the #5 killer of women age 25-44 
>in the city.   New HIV infections are occuring more rapidly among 
>heterosexual men and women than they are among homosexuals and IV drug 
>users (thanks to intensive education in the "high risk" communities.
>
>(Not that I think that means government funding is the right way to do
>medical research).
>
>-- Erik

Another example of twisting of stats.  The RATE of infection among 
heterosexuals is increasing faster, but the numbers for new hetero 
cases are lower than the new gay cases.

Ted

-- 
"Vote Democrat.  It's easier than getting a job."

krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu
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From: bnolte@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Bill Nolte)
Subject: Re: The Difference Between Conservatives and Libe
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:33:36 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <1992Sep25.224150.20383@technology.com>, by judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin):
> In article <1992Sep25.134020.16348@news.uiowa.edu> bnolte@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Bill Nolte) writes:
>>From article <1992Sep15.180936.6562@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>, by krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger):
>>
>> Conservatives think that liberals are wrong.
>>> Liberals think that conservatives are stupid.
>>
>>Liberalism stands for collective rights and collective responsibilities.
>>Conservatism stands for individual rights and individual responsibilities.
>>
>>I think it is pretty good, how about anybody else.
>>
> 
> 	Liberalism stands for individual rights and social responsibility;
> 	Conservatism is a euphemism for fear.
> 
> 
> 		It's only my humble opinion.  Judy.

So much for an attempt at calm, rational discussions with liberals.
Just keep in mind, I did try.

Bill
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From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,tx.politics
Subject: Re: Measuring Generousity (was Re: Clinton's Economic Plan
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:08:08 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: usa
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Sep29.141800.23671@novell.com> bboerner@novell.com (Brendan B. Boerner) writes:
>Actually, I'm not thinking about this as a moral obligation issue.  My
>point is just that if you say, "Joe gave $200 to charity while Bill
>only gave $100, therefor, Joe is more generous then Bill" it is fair to
>look at other factors such as does Joe make double what Bill makes,
>etc...

So long as you preface your statement with "In My Humble Opinion you have
to see if Joe makes twice as much as Bill."  That way we can look and see
what kind of agenda you have.  Most of the social experimentation that is
being waged in this country revolves about taking more money from people
who have worked hard, saved money, and planned for their own futures, and
giving it to people who have done none of the former.

On the other hand, my God tells me that I should help people less
fortunate than I, so I do tend to believe that we have a moral obligation
to share God's blessings with others.  But that means =I= decide how much
and how often.  I happen to prefer showing people how to take control of
their own lives rather than passing out fistfuls of money.  Using your
definition that means I am not "generous" since I might not give the same
percentage of gross income as someone who thinks that money solves all of
the world's problems.  Not that I don't give out fistfuls of money too ...

>My context is individuals who are willingly donating to charity, in the
>present and past, the future doesn't count; someone can't be considered
>generous for something they haven't done yet.

I beg to differ.  Planning for ones family's security is not something
that doesn't benefit that family.  I'd encourage you to ask any widow whose
husband gave fancy presents while alive, but carried no life insurance if
he was "generous".  Many people donate significant portions of their
estate to charities on their death.  When I was having my will drawn up I
asked how I could direct an endowment to my church, but because of the
flux in my estate I wasn't able to come up with something workable.  This
is certainly "a willingness to give or share."  Similarly, people who sign
organ donor cards (Have you signed yours?) are being "generous" even though
that act will not occur until they are dead.

Generousity is an attitude as much as an act.  Christ said "Greater love
has no man than that he lay down his life for a friend."  It is that
willingness to lay down your life, your coat, your bag of groceries, 10
minutes of spare time, etc. that is "generousity."
-- 
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From: ald@clipper.ingr.com (Al Date)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Build that wall, Bill & Al!  Excellent.   NOT!
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:10:24 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

In article <1992Sep30.150640.4437@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>
>	Clinton and Gore have lined up on the anti-NAFTA side of the coin,
>spreading protectionist fear and xenophobic hatred in their wake.
>
>	Smoot-Hawley, anyone?

How Greatly Depressing.

--Al Date
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From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Platform Archives on ftp?
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:11:09 GMT
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
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andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
: buckmr@lib110.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
: >And does ANYONEhave the Republican latform on-line? Or are they trying 
: >to hide the thing??
: 
: Interesting assumption "doesn't seem to be on usenet" = "hiding".
: 
: They're trying to hide it by sending it to anyone who asks for a copy.

I don't completely agree with Mr. Buckmire's "accusation," but
I can't help but wonder why the Republican Platform hasn't made
it's appearance on the net yet (to my knowledge, anyway).

Both the Libertarian and the Democratic platforms are availible in e-text
form on the net.  The Democrats' platform and position papers can be
found on Cleveland Freenet (telnet freenet-in-a.cwru.edu, login as guest
I think), while some Libertarian documents can be ftp'd from think.com.
(At least, I think that's where I found them....  Run archie, looking
 for libernet to get a more definitive answer)

Given the number of Republicans on the net, I am surprised that the 
Republican Platform hasn't shown up here yet.  If I had the necessary
scanning capability, I'd borrow a hardcopy version of the document, and
make it availible to the net.  Unfortunately, a scanner is pretty far
down on my list of things I need right now.

I suppose that it is possible that no one has really had the opportunity
to make the Republican document net.avalible, but you would think that
some eager young Fascist...er, Republican would have scanned it it
by now, since the Democrats' and Libertarians' platforms are already
fairly easily accessible.

It's just SO much fun to think that the Republicans are hiding something
by not "e-text-ing" their platform.  :)

--
Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)	 		"Republicans understand the
Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu			 importance of bondage between
Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD			 parent and child."
Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com			-- Dan Quayle
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Marrou/Lord in '92
From: PLAWS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU (Peter)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: 1-800-BEND-OVER
Date: 30 Sep 1992 17:40:32 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Anyone who wants to understand how *how* far We are being "bent over" needs to
telnet to 128.52.46.11 1992
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer)
Subject: Re: The Big Lie
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing System
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 03:10:32 GMT

In article <Bv36B5.H1E.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
"In article <1992Sep23.190304.7059@tygra.Michigan.COM> jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
">Instead of
">getting Hussein, he kills 250,000 innocent people.
"
"Again, you repeat this lie.  Do you have a shred of proof?  This number
"sounds really good, so I'll grant you made a good choice, but where
"in hell does this number come from?
"
"

IT CAME FROM THE RED CROSS AND AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL, THAT WHERE.

">Clinton/Gore in '92
">Putting People FIRST!
">
">Palmer
"
"I've got a suggestion for you, why don't you go down to Clinton/Gore 
"campaign headquarters and tell them your little story about Bush,
"Saddam and Desert Storm.  I *sure* they'll sign you up, on the spot;->
"
I'm already a Clinton/Gore volunteer.

Palmer.
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From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: HERE'S BUSH'S/SLICK'S TAX LIST(S)
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Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:36:55 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

mikeq@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley) writes:
: alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex) writes:
: ?
: ?	Finally, somebody printed Bush's tax list to go along with Clintons.
: ?It shows that Bush raised taxes 178 times in 3-1/2 years, as opposed to
: ?Clinton's 127 times in 12 years (thats 127 increases to 610 for bush,
: ?if you pro-rate the numbers).
: 
: Make that 189 for Bush. His 1993 budget contains 11 new tax increases 
: despite his I'll-never-raise-your-taxes-again-Ever-EVER! penitence.

Ah, but Chicken George is not raising Your Taxes.  He's raising Someone 
Else's Taxes, one of the most popular techniques of increasing government's
revenues in the U.S.

:)

--
Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)	 		"Republicans understand the
Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu			 importance of bondage between
Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD			 parent and child."
Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com			-- Dan Quayle
UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarOwl                                    

Marrou/Lord in '92



Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: buckmr@lib110.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Platform Archives on ftp?
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:57:46 GMT

lpoza@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Luis Poza) writes:

>Is there an ftp site where one can download text files of the
>candidates' platforms, speeches, etc.?  Thanks!
And does ANYONEhave the Republican latform on-line? Or are they trying to hide
the thing??



-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)
Subject: Re: Why won't you answer, Mr. Gore?
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 14:20:11 EDT
Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan
Reply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu

In article <1992Oct1.151426.21019@wuecl.wustl.edu>, gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct1.005909.4460@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
|> >	Money should be used to help develop other country's economic standing
|> >so that (in part) they can be better trade partners with the US?
|> >
|> >	Why can't you answer that question, Mr. Gore?
|> >
|> >Brett                                                      
|> 
|>    Kind of like the Export Assistance Program which offers tax breaks to US
|> companies to take American jobs overseas?  I DON'T think so.
|> 

I have to agree.  Subsidizing US companies who open factories in other
countries makes no sense.  Instead, we should simply remove the tariffs
and quotas we impose on goods coming from these countries.


James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: (none)
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:33:14 GMT


 
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,tx.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Clinton Policies
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:29:52 GMT

In <21648@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:

>Fred will jump up and down about "externalities", but I suggest
>he start finding ways to turn these "externalities" into something that can
>be presented as a "use tax."

No "jumping up and down" required, John, as you would know if you knew
anything about economics.  The reason they are externalities in the
first place is because the degree of difficulty in making them into
something else ranges between very difficult to impossible.  Of
course, small facts like that don't matter to John.

-- 
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