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From: mckinzie@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Mark McKinzie)
Subject: Re: Hmmm Texas to Big 10!!!
Keywords: n
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 19:18:23 GMT

zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:

>Looks like my calling all conferences post needs to be taken more 
>seriously.  We have reports on the radio that the University of 
>Texas has agreed to join the Big 10, and the have been "confirmed
>by the UT athletic dept."  
> 
>Can anyone in Big 10 country confirm this?  Where do you guys think
>A&M will go?  SEC, Big 8, Big 10, Pac 10, WAC (*laugh, had to throw
>that one in*)   :-)

Well, if UT and TAMU come to the Big 10, then we don't have
to change the name of the conference (big ten plus
UW, UM, Northwestern).

-- 
Mark McKinzie          	|    We just won't eat on Sunday
mckinzie@math.wisc.edu 	|    Got to buy him a limousine
UW Dept. of Mathematics	|    Somewhere to live, somewhere to pray. 
Madison, WI 53706      	|               -RJD, "TV Crimes"-
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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Re: Score Trivia...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:46:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.144906.13494@cs.brown.edu> cs169061@cs.brown.edu (Michael
 Kalman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.022458.29522@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, dew6c@uvacs.cs.V
irginia.EDU (Dallas E. Wrege) writes:
>|> I remember someone telling me once that the most
>|> lopsided score of all times was back around 1910
>|> or so, when Georgia Tech beat Cumberland 222-0, and
>|> the game was apparently called halfway through the
>|> third quarter.
>|>
>|> Does this have a prayer of being true?
>|>
>|> - Dallas
>
>
>         Yes, I've read about it in a book titled 'Wierd
>Moments in Sports.'  I can't confirm whether or not the
>game was called before its completion, but I can add
>another interesting tidbit:  For all those pts, Georgia
>Tech did not score even once on a forward pass that day.
>I guess they were more civilized about running up scores
>back then :-)

I also heard that there were no first downs for either team in that game, which
must mean that Georgia Tech scored every time they touched the ball.

Also: I read that Cumberland really did not want to play that game, and knew 
they were going to be absolutely destroyed, but there was a clause in the 
agreement that if Cumberland forfeited the game rather than play it, they would
have to pay GT a certain amount of money.

PDunn
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND vs FSU vs Michigan
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:41:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

marsden@sync.cs.fsu.edu (Jonathan Marsden) wrote:
}
}   Ok, I'd agree that Michigan is still a powerful team, but they (along with
}   the rest of the Big-10) have lost something over that past five years
}   (recent times?).  There is a new group of powerhouses in college football
}   (e.g., FSU, Miami, Washington, Florida).  Because of Michigan's
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
}   playing style, they can't surprise any of these top teams in the BIG games.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
}   Smashmouth football is passe.

Apparently we have a Florida State fan here who didn't watch last
year's Florida State Michigan game.  Michigan wasn't as good as
FSU last year, but it was hardly the result of an antique "smash-mouth"
offense.  You may recall that the Wolverines produced the first Heisman
Trophy winning *receiver* in nearly 20 years last season.  (Tim Brown
doesn't count.) 

billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) wrote:
}
}Anybody know the average standing in the recent past, but longer than last
}2-3 years?  How about last 5?  Mark M?  I'd bet you'd be surprised Jonathan
}by the by where the finished.

For the last six seasons, Michigan has finished in the top 10 all but
one (1987) and Florida State has finished in the top ten all but one
(1986).  It doesn't appear to me that Michigan has exactly been left
in anyone's dust as a top football power, and certainly *much* more 
impressive "other the last five years" than Florida or Washington.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
 "There was such speed in her little body, and such lightness in her
    footfall, it is no wonder her brown study astonishes us all."
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Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (9-5-92)
From: copus@pa621a.inland.com
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:57:32 CDT
Organization: Inland Steel Company, East Chicago, IN
Nntp-Posting-User: copus

In article <Bu9uIy.Aqw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
> 
> Results of September 5:
> 
> OHIO STATE (1-0) 20, Louisville (0-1) 19 (Pred:  OSU 31-10):  The Buckeyes
> 	dodged a big bullet as the Cardinals went for and missed a two-point
> 	conversion in the final minute.  OSU certainly didn't dominate
> 	a Louisville team that already looks better than last year's
> 	disappointing crew.  Dan Wilkerson was the burly lineman who
> 	hurried Cardinal QB Jeff Brohm on the conversion play.  Brohm
> 	had to hurry his throw, which floated incomplete despite two
> 	receivers looking pretty open.  Louisville recovered the on-side
> 	kick, but they grabbed the ball one yard to early.  Ray Buchanan
> 	had rambled with the recovery down to around the OSU 10-yard line.
            ^^^^^^^

        According to the announcers covering the game, in college football
        a player from the kicking team can not advance an on-side kick.
        The Bucks still dodged one in this one.  

 
	89,653 at Ohio Stadium...
        ^^^^^^

        Didn't they add 3,000 seats to the 'shoe a couple of years ago?
        It seems to me that the capacity is around 92,000 now.  Maybe 
        the 'shoe wasn't sold out.

> 
> 
> ILLINOIS (1-0) 30, Northern Illinois (0-1) 14 (Pred:  Illinois 38-12):  The
> 	Illini led by just 17-14 early in the fourth quarter before
> 	putting the game away following a Husky fumble.  NIU actually
> 	had the ball when down just three after an Illinois miscue,
> 	but coughed it right back up.  Jason Verduzco was 19 of 30 for 157
> 	yards and 3 TDs, with 1 INT.  Steve Feagin rushed for 65 yards.
> 	50,015 at Memorial Stadium...
> 

Interesting.  The preseason line in the "College Preview" books that I read
indicated that Tepper would have the Illini grounding it out this year.
Looks like Verduzco is up to his old tricks to me. 


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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Collingsworth
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:15:50 GMT

In article <16862BD09.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
   Nntp-Posting-Host: cmsa.gmr.com

   Where did Chris Collingsworth go to college?  Or did he?

FSU.  I believe he was an All-American, but not certain.  Bill



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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Colorado redshirts (was: Re: Big8 Review(9-8-92))
Keywords: Colorado
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:35:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.231732.9144@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
>Freshman: DBs Dalton Simmons and Steve Rosga and WRs Rae Carruth and
>Donnell Leomiti played and won't get redshirts this year.  Koy Detmer
>did not play, although junior Duke Tobin did.

Today's Denver Post reports that sophomore DT Darius Holland and
freshman TB Nathan Campbell will be redshirted this year.
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
From: jaykay@orion.oac.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan)
Subject: Texas-Syracuse.   Good game, but..  :-(
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:53:30 GMT
Distribution: usa


  Sigh..racuse 31  -  Texas 21.  Oh well..  What can I say ?

  UT loses another game that they could have won. So, what's new ?...

  Did any of you think that Syracuse pushing the ball in from 2 yards
  with 7 seconds to go with a lead already, and with Texas having no
  time-outs left, was a little (not much, though..) unclassy ?..
  I guess nobody except David McWilliams (as he did against the aggies
  two years back) does such things these days.

  Just that I would have really liked a 24-21 score in this, which is
  how close the game really was. Also, wasn't the two-point catch really
  on the ground ?  I saw the game at a sports bar that refused to have
  the audio on for anything other than the Jesus..oops..ND game, and so
  didn't hear what the announcer's said about it.

  Frankly I was surprised to see the improvement that the Horns offense
  showed from the previous week. But, I have to say this. I don't think
  it helps to continue with Gardere. He was not pressured all that much
  and a better quarterback would have won this game. Had the Syracuse
  guys not dropped two or three easy interceptions, the score would
  have been much different. Even though Peter's stats may look marginally
  acceptable, it could easily have been a disastrous game. Anyone in Austin
  has heard anything about when we will start seeing Shea Morenz ?.
  UT has some excellent receivers, and a good QB could work wonders
  with this team. 

  The defensive line and pass rush still look suspect, but I know that
  Leon Fuller will get his defense to improve very fast. If they don't,
  they are in for a long day at Dallas soon.  

  Heard that Miss State had 8 turnovers in this week's loss !   Why didnt
  they do that against Texas ? Come to think of it, nobody seems to have
  had more than 3 turnovers against Texas in the last 7 years (except OU
  once perhaps !). Wonder why Texas never seems to get many breaks, except
  may be against Rice...

  Things will turn around some day, I guess... I just want to be alive
  then, that's all  :-(

  GO HORNS !!

  Jay  (the other one !)

  R. Jayakrishnan,  UC Irvine.

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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Weekly top 25 (FSU down, UF up)
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:46:51 GMT

In article <10646@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> marsden@nu.cs.fsu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.163713.3811@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep7.035956.11117@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> azzarito@cse.fau.edu (Doug Azzarito) writes:
>>>      -----=====< The A.P. Top 25 >=====-----
>>>THIS LAST
>>>WEEK WEEK  SCHOOL      W L T  Results of Last Game        Next Game
>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   .    .     .          . . .   .  .   .    .  .          .    .        .
>>> 4    6  Florida       0 0 0                             at Kentucky, 9/12
>>> 5    4  Florida St    1 0 0  WON v. Duke, 48-21         at Clemson, 9/12
>>> 6    5  Michigan      0 0 0                             at Notre Dame, 9/12
>> 
>>I know it's useless to ask this question but I'm going to anyhow. Can
>>someone explain to me, why FSU can post a respectable win over Duke
>>and fall one notch in the poll, while the gators rise two after beating
>>no one?
>
>I didn't think the FSU win over Duke was _all_ that impressive.  Charlie
>Jonathan Marsden
>(marsden@cs.fsu.edu)

However, it was much more impressive than not playing at all. 

Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Faulk, 299 yds rushing vs. BYU
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92258.193734MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu>, MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu (Spiro the Spiny Goldfish) writes...
#And of course, you bring up strawman number two - Pepsi State's performance
#in a wide-open Holiday Bowl (where both teams scored over 45 points) after
#I clearly said that Paterno pulled backs in a rout.

The Holiday Bowl score in 1989 was 50-39.  Not really a far cry from last 
week's 45-38 win for SDSU.  Perhaps you care to elaborate on what difference
existed between the two ball games and why the numbers will not be comparable.
Your comment makes no sense:  Faulk could not have been pulled in Thursday's
games because BYU was within a touchdown (and despite Faulk's attempts, still
had a chance to tie the game if they hadn't fumbled the punt).  Similarly,
I doubt Thomas was ``pulled'' particularly early in that 11-point Holiday
Bowl.  Neither of these games were ``routs'' so why should the numbers be
incomparable?

#And of course the less recent was a game against a strong BYU squad, in a
#year that Pepsi State could have fit right into the WAC (except for Blair
#Thomas) with their medicore defense and passing offense.

The BYU defense in 1989 gave up an average of 26.6 points and 404.6 yards per 
game.  Certainly in line with last week's 45 points and 446 yards.  It was the 
BYU *offense* in 1989 that was so good, not the defense.  Again, why couldn't
Blair Thomas gain as many yards against an equivalent defense?  Even 90% of
the yards?  Was he below average, perhaps?  That's the only ``logical'' 
conclusion.  BTW, your ``mediocre defense'' only gave up an average of 11.8 
points in '89, mediocre enough for fourth in the nation.  And your ``passing 
offense'' would hardly have been taken seriously in the WAC since it wouldn't 
have even been good enough to outgain Air Force in the air.  The running game 
picked up twice as many yards per game as the passing game did.

#It's obvious that logic is the first thing to go after hair when you get
#old...

If that's so, then I'm far more likely to make those logical errors than
Mark seeing as I have far less hair than he does.  Thus, either my comments 
above should be completely illogical or Spiny's comments must all be utter 
guff.

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
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From: zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR))
Subject: Re: touching of a turtle???
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 00:26:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.173741.14096@ncsu.edu> jvbutera@grad04.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.132849.19587@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> joconnor@evax12.eng.fsu.edu writes:
>+>What with the new tradition at Maryland of touching a giant turtle
>+>at the beginning of a game?
>+>
>+>They wouldn't be copying another tradition from a fellow acc school 
>+>would they?
>
>Seeing how someone else brought it up (NOT me!) I'll woof a little:
>
>Clemson's been "rubbing" Howard's Rock on the way into Death Valley for 
>quite sometime now (I'd assume since at LEAST the 70's, if not sooner). 
>
>This season, the Maryland Terps, along with $6M rennovation to their stadium,
>unvieled a huge turtle the players rub on the way into the game for luck.
>
>At Florida, they unveiled (what else?) a fairly life-sized (10') Gator which the
>players run their hands over on the way into the stadium.  
>
>And lastly, at Georgia, the fans got a double surprise.  The Dawgs, after 
>going a hundred years (or so) sans any UGA (pronounced ug-aah) 	replicas in 
>the stadium, uncovered not one, but TWO 7,000lb granite Bulldogs, (I believe 
>one on each end of the stadium).  I'm also not sure if the players rub it or 
>not, but just the thought of a 7,000lb Bulldog would scare any baby I know....
>
>Just thought you might want to know...
>
>
>+>Are they going to nick-name their stadium to "GALAPAGOS" (sp?) 
>+>(favorite Darwin hang-out)
>+>
>+>--->->->->->------------G-O----N-O-L-E-S------------------------------------->
>+>James O'Connor                            FSU-VS-NC STATE
>+>JOCONNOR@EVAX.eng.fsu.edu                 SEPT 19, 1992 12:00 P.M.
>+>FSU/FAMU College-O-Engineering            (DONT KNOW) Stadium,Raleigh?
>
>
>-- 
>Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu
>
>DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
>fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers! 

Rubbing a Gator, OK, 7,000 lb bulldogs-allright,A rock-maybe, but a turtle??
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From: trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight)
Subject: Re: ACC Games this week.
Organization: Jes Grew Carriers -- Metaphysical Bunko Squad 
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:51:45 GMT

cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) writes:

>Duke could score 21 points against FSU's defense. Clemson had a tougher
>game than expected, but pulled everything together to win. On a hunch...
>Clemson 17 Florida State 16

You're very gracious.  Not sure I'd put my money on that one, though.

>FURMAN AT NORTH CAROLINA:  The first of 2 easy games for the Tar Heels,
>with Army visiting next week. UNC was impressive in their opener against
>Wake Forest and they appear to be much improved this year, as everyone
>expected.
>North Carolina 24 Furman 14

EASY?  Keep in mind that Furman is supposed to be better than the Citadel.
I don't know if that's true yet, but don't expect UNC to have an easy
time defeating the Paladins, if indeed they do.  Remember the Furman-
Georgia Tech game last year?  That wasn't exactly an easy win for Tech...
UNC may be improved, but they're not THAT improved.  (Bold prediction,
the second Southern Conference victory over Division I-A opponents in
as many weeks...Furman 17, UNC 13.)
 
Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
 
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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Dunkel's
Keywords: n
Date: 11 Sep 1992 23:28:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Sep11.151315.14579@hou.amoco.com>, zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
|> >
> >
|> >They are needed when you need to know the line for the 
|> >Angelo State vs. Prairie View game this weekend, for example.
|> >
|> will that be before or after the gunfight?
|> 
|> cmuck

Good One :)   Now some elements of the Houston press are reporting that it
was firecrackers, not guns.  Sounds like a bit of defusing action to me ...

For those not in the know, the Texas Southern vs. Prairie View A&M game 
(at Rice stadium) ended early last Saturday.  Apparantly there were 
sights/sounds/hallucinations of gunshots and the crowd in one stand stormed
the field.  5 people were injured, and the game was called.

Incidentally, TSU was ahead 35-0 and was declared the winner (which isn't
too hard to guess ...)





Geaux Yelleaux Jacquets!  Beat Western Carolina!  By a lot!

-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

"Comme ci, comme ca" - George Bush to a 9 year old Hispanic kid in Harlem
                                                        
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From: applcore@utkvx2.utk.edu (Core, Andrew)
Subject: Tennessee 34 GA 31
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:11:00 GMT

According to the K-ville News-Sentinel, Tennessee is the first team *ever*
to beat Georgia in a game in which Georgia scored more than 28 points.  Well, 
219-1 is still pretty good.  A great game - six (?) lead changes, with
sophomore QB Heath Shuler scored the winning TD with 58 seconds left in the
game.  Georgia had a chance, but Andre Hastings was stripped of the ball at 
the UT 35 with less then 30 seconds left.

Florida's next!       

Andrew Core
applcore@utkvx.utk.edu
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: This Week in the SEC (Sept. 12)
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:25:27 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

Games from the weekend:

ALABAMA (2-0) edged Southern Miss (1-1), 17-10

Though the Tide defense held the Golden Eagles to only 3 first downs
and 54 yards total offense, the visitors led 10-7 in the 3rd quarter.
A 62 yard TD drive capped by Chris Anderson's 1 yard dive sealed the
win for 'Bama in the 4th.

ARKANSAS (1-1) stomped SOUTH CAROLINA (0-2), 45-7

The Razorbacks rebounded dramatically from their home loss to The Citadel
with a resounding win in Columbia.  Cornerback Orlando Watters led the
team with an 87 yard TD on a punt return and a 45 yard TD on an interception
runback.  USC has now lost its first 2 SEC games at home by a combined
score of 13-73.

AUBURN (1-1) blasted Samford (1-1), 55-0

The Tigers had little trouble with the Bulldogs in their 25th meeting,
but first since 1945.  Auburn now leads the series 24-0-1.

FLORIDA (1-0) beat KENTUCKY (1-1), 35-19

The Gators rolled up 541 yards of total offense, including Errict Rhett's
career-best 193 rushing, but the Wildcats kept it respectable with some
big plays.

TENNESSEE (2-0) nipped GEORGIA (1-1), 34-31

A classic game between the hedges saw nine lead changes and 951 yards of
total offense before the Vols' QB Heath Shuler capped the scoring on a
3 yard TD dive with 50 seconds remaining in the game.  Though the Dawgs
outgained the Orange by nearly 200 yards they coughed up 6 turnovers to
the visitors' one.  Shuler established himself as the Vols' starter for
this season by racking up 81 yard rushing and 152 passing.

LSU (1-1) beat MISSISSIPPI STATE (1-1), 24-3

A tight 3-3 game was broken open in the 4th quarter by 3 Bulldog turnovers
which led to Tiger TD's.  The decisive blows were dealt with backup QB
Jesse Daigle in command.  Daigle and starter Chad Loup battled for the
QB job all last season, and trend appears to be continuing for 1992.

OLE MISS (2-0) swamped Tulane (1-1), 35-9

Ole Miss QB Russ Shows threw for 2 TD's and rushed for 2 more as
the Rebels eased past the Green Wave at home.

VANDERBILT (1-1) beat Duke (0-2), 42-37

The 'Dores took a wild one at home from the Blue Devils of the ACC.


S E C   S t a n d i n g s
=================================================================
E a s t          Conf   Overall  | W e s t         Conf   Overall
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Tennessee        1-0    2-0      | Alabama         1-0    2-0
Florida          1-0    1-0      | Ole Miss        1-0    2-0
Georgia          1-1    1-1      | Arkansas        1-0    1-1
Kentucky         0-1    1-1      | LSU             1-0    1-1
Vanderbilt       0-1    1-1      | Mississippi St. 0-1    1-1
South Carolina   0-2    0-2      | Auburn          0-1    1-1

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
 "There was such speed in her little body, and such lightness in her
    footfall, it is no wonder her brown study astonishes us all."
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