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From: thamer@ndl.com (Mustafa Thamer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Sequencing for $1000 ?
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:24:39 GMT
Organization: Numerical Design Limited

Hi Everybody,

  Assuming you already have a synth, just wondering what the best 
alternative would be if you wanted to add some some decent multi-track 
sequencing and couldn't spend much money.

  Is there a good dedicated music computer that's not too expensive?

  or maybe a used computer like:
  - an Atari 1040ST with Dr. T's software?

  - or a PC 286 with some midi board and some software package?

  - or a Mac Plus with some midi board and some software package?

  Would this provide you with better capabilities than were built-in
on some synths, like the M1 for example?

  Thanks for any info,

-Mustafa

-- 
Two days ago I saw a vehicle that'd haul that tanker.
You wanna get out of here - you talk to me.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: smill@polari.com
Subject: Re: Problems!!!!!
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:37:19 GMT

In article <11597.9204051137@orsun.dcs.leeds.ac.uk> The Brown Bottle <ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK> writes:
>>From: Dan Harkless
>>Subject: Re: Problems!!!!!
>>
>>In article <1992Apr1.193934.4285@jsp.umontreal.ca> u1471@jsp.umontreal.ca
>>(Leclerc Marco) writes:
>>>
>>>J'ai une question:
>>>	Lorsque j'essaie d'utiliser IRC sur un Apollo, je recois le
>>>message suivant:
>>>	"No termcap found for Apollo"
>>>ou quelque chose du genre.
>>>
>>>Qu'est-ce que ca veut dire?????
>>
>>	Je ne sais pas; mais, peut-etre si vous posez le question en anglais,
>>il y sera plus de personnes qui peuvent repondre.
>>
>
>Nan da, kore wa? Furansuga mitai da ne. De mo, sukoshi wa wakaru. Ichiban
>saigo no bun wa, "Moshi, eigo de shitsumon sureba, dare ka ga kotaeru
>kamoshirenai" da to iu imi da to omou.
>
>Ross-c
>
>Nishin: Nihongo ga wakaru hito wa, hitori de mo kono guruup wo yonde iru hito
>iru kai?

	Ya, memang! Kalau pertanyaanya dimasukan ke bahasa ingeris, dong,
jauh lebih gampang dapat jawaban.  Jelas sekali kan?

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:40:57 BST
From:         The Brown Bottle <ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Usenet tape depression sets in
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU

After reading a number of letters on the subject of "should I have sent
something in to the Usenet tape if it's not polished and professional"...

Here's a good quote:

"The amateur is perhaps the only free agent in our musical culture"

				- Sergius Kagen.

Ross-c
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Subject: Re: Gear Lust
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 18:13:19 GMT


In article <1992Apr13.130941.23742@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller) writes:
|> There are alternatives. Sysex editors. Unfortuanatly, these are pretty
|> lame themselvs. There is one exception: Opcodes Galaxy line of
|> editor. Talk about powerfull! To bad they are only available on the
|> Mac. 

The only problem I have with Galaxy Plus Editors is that it doesn't
support most of the synths I have.  I paid $129 for the upgrade, and
all I got for it was a TX81Z editor.  For G+E to be a good value, one
must buy popular synths.

This isn't a swipe at Opcode.  I know there aren't enough K5, K3, and
XD5 owners out there to justify them creating these editors.

|> IMHO, The Manufacture should be responsible for giving us these
|> editors as an extension to the hardware. I'd even be willing
|> to pay extra! But please, develope for all major platforms...

I wholeheartedly agree.  Manufacturers should be working tightly with
the generic librarian and editor folks so that we at least get a set of
librarian modules with the devices.  As I understand it, the programmers
have to beg to get equipment and specs (Aaron, do you want me to fax
you the K5 and XD5 specs?).

--
...David Elliott
...dce@smsc.sony.com | ...!{uunet,mips}!sonyusa!dce
...(408)944-4073
..."Nobody believes a laughing person." -- Farkle
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: How Engineers make music (was Usenet Tape depression sets in)
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:52:15 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Albuquerque NM

In article <35042@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> tmfm writes:
>I had so many problems with my band because I kept (and still keep)
>"planning" music carefully, approaching it like a mathematical problem
>(okay, this goes here, but... if I put this here, then that goes there,
>which means this part must be like this). The rest of my band created
>light, "free" songs, totally different from my approach.
>
>However, I believe planned music has an advantage (or is it a
>disadvantage?) in that it usually is more complex than simple music
>(No, I don't want to get flamed! Please!!! 8-} )

No flames coming from me.  After my last band broke up I decided I was
through with bands.  It was too hard to get a group of people to
provide the necessary attention to details.  I eventually met another
musician who is as fussy about "production" as I am.  Now I am happily
playing live again and reaching the complexity I enjoy.

This isn't to say that we rigidly plan out every note.  We allow a lot
of freedom within the harness for mood changes and inspirations.  However,
it is a very elaborate harness and nobody sits in automatic-pilot mode
all night.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       | 
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |    "A man without a newsgroup"
                                     | 
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: wesley@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Wesley Konrad)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: LP Stereo
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:04:51 GMT
Organization: The Inquiring Mind  1 204 488-1607

eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson) writes:

> The groove is V-shaped.  Walls are at 45 degree angles to each other.
> (Maybe 90, I forget)  The decoding is done with magnetic pickups that respond
> to motion along the correct vector.  You can't use this fact to reject common
> mode noise (scratches, dust) because the mono part of the signal is
> common-mode.

So, the needle picks up sepperate signals?  Wouldn't that require 
seperate needles, or at least a needle with seperated halves?

> When were you born?

1971.  Hey, I may be young but at least I know how to work a reel to reel 
tape player.  

wesley

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,comp.music
From: cliffw@sequent.com (Cliff White)
Subject: Yamaha TX81Z problem - HELP
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Keywords: hums, noises, help
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 05:56:56 GMT


i am having a problem.

while doing a little studio tidy-up i discovered
my Yamaha TX81Z is emitting a *mechanical* hum..

i turn off all the gear, (speakers, amps mixer) 
turn the TX on, and it *hums*.. right around 60 Hz.
at first i though the motor on my tape deck was getting
a bit noisy...it's a very small hum..but noticeable when
i'm not playing. (i sit with the TX about an arms length
away)

i can put my hand on the top, and feel the hum -
it seems strongest in the right rear, near where the
power cord attaches, and where i assume the transformer is.

the top is kinda loose, and amplifing the vibration.

What does this mean?

Is my TX going to die, like real soon? (so far it works fine.)

Do TX81Z's blow power supplies often?

does this indicate possible other problems, or bad line 
voltages??

please email me if you can help....this kinda stuff drives 
me nutso...

address is cliffw@sequent.com
-- 
cliffw

'When the going gets wierd, the wierd turn pro'- HST
From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Roland SH-3A
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:42:53 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <ricko.703241039@ee.uts.EDU.AU>, ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe) writes...
>Does anyone else have a Roland SH-3A? I think it was the first thing
>Roland made (at least for international consumption), an analog mono
> 
>The other interesting thing is that even when it appeared (75?), it 
>did not sound like the brash US synths. Perhaps Jap synth-makers

I had the SH-1000, which didn't have the mix sliders, it had only organ tabs.
It had a resistor-matrix memory for presets.  It was internally a one VCO, one
ADSR, one VCF, two LFO synth.  It is the same or previous generation to the
SH-3A, but more preset oriented.  It had a bizarre UI problem where it was not
obvious that there was only one envelope.  It had tab stops for certain preset
envelopes, but if you hit them they nuked the front panel adsr.

It's major bug was that the VCF cutoff freq. would not go very high, and you
could not bypass the filter.  Terminally dull sound resulted.  IMHO.  I
actually liked what it could do in the bass department, where the filter could
go high enough (it appeared to be a max limitation, not a scaling bug).
I did entire pieces with this machine.  The half-dozen organ-stop tabs for
various footages of square wave and even sawtoothes, (poorly shaped via r/c
networks) were very nice.  

Compare it to a consumer keyboard today!  It weighed about 40 pounds, was solid
as a rock (steel and plywood) and had a nice wood case.




Eirikur Hallgrimsson   | "Hey, what *is* that thing?  It looks like a telephone
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |  switchboard trying to mate with a Hammond organ!"
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From: mo18g15@cix.cict.fr (Olivier)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Sounds for KORG WS-EX
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:02:05 GMT
Reply-To: mo18g15@cix.cict.fr (Olivier)
Organization: CICT Universite de Toulouse - France -


 I just bought a Wavestation-EX and I think that it's a great machine
but I need more sounds. So, if anynome has got some, it will be  
generous to mail them to mo18g15@cix.cict.fr (Don't forget their bank-loader 
for Atari ST).

 In return, I will send my own sounds....

Many thanks to those who will send .

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                             - Olivier -
                                       University of Toulouse - France -

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From: scream@ravel.udel.edu (Darren Amato)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: New KORG M1 patches
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:52:28 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

Can anyone that has any PD patches for the M1 please post them to:


		louie.udel.edu  pub/midi/patches/KORG/M1

				or

		ucsd.edu           midi/patches/M1


I have been sequencing with the same patch set forever and would like to
try out a few new ones.   


							Thanks

							-scream
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher)
Subject: Re: Problems!!!!!
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 08:25:26 GMT

smill@polari.com writes:

>In article <11597.9204051137@orsun.dcs.leeds.ac.uk> The Brown Bottle <ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK> writes:
>>>From: Dan Harkless
>>>Subject: Re: Problems!!!!!
>>>
>>>In article <1992Apr1.193934.4285@jsp.umontreal.ca> u1471@jsp.umontreal.ca
>>>(Leclerc Marco) writes:
>>>>
>>>>J'ai une question:
>>>>	Lorsque j'essaie d'utiliser IRC sur un Apollo, je recois le
>>>>message suivant:
>>>>	"No termcap found for Apollo"
>>>>ou quelque chose du genre.
>>>>
>>>>Qu'est-ce que ca veut dire?????
>>>
>>>	Je ne sais pas; mais, peut-etre si vous posez le question en anglais,
>>>il y sera plus de personnes qui peuvent repondre.
>>>
>>
>>Nan da, kore wa? Furansuga mitai da ne. De mo, sukoshi wa wakaru. Ichiban
>>saigo no bun wa, "Moshi, eigo de shitsumon sureba, dare ka ga kotaeru
>>kamoshirenai" da to iu imi da to omou.
>>
>>Ross-c
>>
>>Nishin: Nihongo ga wakaru hito wa, hitori de mo kono guruup wo yonde iru hito
>>iru kai?

>	Ya, memang! Kalau pertanyaanya dimasukan ke bahasa ingeris, dong,
>jauh lebih gampang dapat jawaban.  Jelas sekali kan?

Ya recon mate?  I'm naaa raw prawn but you guys are spinn'n a yarn right?
If ya ask me for my two bob, I recon ya all got a few roos loose in the top
paddock.  I thought we all spoke the Queen's English here. Strewth! how's
a bloke supposed to cotton on ta wot ya are yabbn about! Fair dinkum,
speak proper or go jump in the lake.  It's enough ta send ya walkabout.

Get real!! :-)

Scott Fisher.
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From: rwk@crl.dec.com (Bob Kerns)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Problems!!!!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:53:57 GMT
	<RWK.92Apr7062649@taunton.crl.dec.com>
Organization: Cambridge Research Lab, Digital Equipment Corp.

In article <RWK.92Apr7062649@taunton.crl.dec.com> rwk@crl.dec.com (Bob Kerns) writes:

   From: rwk@crl.dec.com (Bob Kerns)
   Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:26:52 GMT
      From: ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK (The Brown Bottle)
      Date: 5 Apr 92 11:37:42 GMT
      Nishin: Nihongo ga wakaru hito wa, hitori de mo kono guruup wo yonde iru hito
      iru kai?

   fj.rec.music$@$rFI$s$G$$$^$;$s$+!#(J

Excuse me, the group I really intended to ask about was
fj.comp.music.  Far more interesting to a synthesist.

(Well, SOMEBODY had to say something in english in this thread!)
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:48:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Seeking weird analog synth
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

That wasn't my posting.  I attended an ARP clinic, where they
said Pete Townsend used the 2500 for the songs in Who's Next.  They
said he was good for one a year.  Wonder if he tried to smash
one on stage?  ;-)

Pete Brooks
From: nsj@Apple.COM (Neal Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: ProCussion or D4?
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:05:03 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr14.225614.29734@uunet.uu.net> kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:
>Randomizer@cup.portal.com (Aron Fingers Nelson) writes:
> > > And it is around $1000. For
> > 1/3 the price (got mine for $299) the D4 has something like 500 sounds
> > that can be grouped into 16 drum kits,
> > 
> > Mine has 21 drum kits 0..20.
>
>What exactly are these `kits'?  For example on the R-8 you can
>map all the internal sounds to MIDI note numbers, which I guess
>can be considered to be just one big kit.  I can pick the sounds
>I want by assigning note numbers to the pads on my Octapad.
>
>How do the D4 kits relate to note numbers?  How many sounds can
>you fit into a kit?  Can the D4 be driven by MIDI note numbers
>instead of the triggers?

Yup, 20 drum kits - only one playable at a time. Each kit has 64 "notes"
mappable to a drum sound. These are MIDI note numbers 32 - n (I can't
do simple arithmetic.) So each kit has 64 possible drums, efx, 
percussion sounds, etc. Mix'm and match'm...

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mail: nsj@apple.COM        "Love is the law, love under will." 
phone: (408) 974-6246
disclaimer: Everything stated here is disclaimed by all.
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From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:59:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Elvis in keyboard issue April 1992
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

>Does anyone know what kind of trick they were trying to pull
>in keyboard magazine, april 1992?? All the writers and editors
>pictures were replaced with pictures of Elvis. Keyboard,
>Elvis is dead. ;-)

Hmmm, Elvis who?  I can't think of any keyboard-playing Elvis.

This sort of thing is what caused me to let me (gift) subscription go
unrenewed.  They sent me a card asking me to explain why I didn't renew - and
this was basically the reason.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music,comp.windows.ms
From: rhysling@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (RHYSLING MICHAEL S)
Subject: Master Tracks Pro and Windows 3.1 - HELP!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 00:32:38 GMT

I just upgraded to Windows 3.1.  Overall, I'm pretty pleased but I can't
get Master Tracks Pro to work anymore.  I get the feeling I need to do
something with the Midi Mapper utility in Windows but I'm not sure.

The Midi setup menu in Master Tracks Pro changed after I installed 
Windows 3.1!  Instead of listing my MQX-32m interface, it showed the
Soundblaster and the Midi Mapper as choices but I couldn't get anything
to work.

Has anyone managed to make these two work together or do I need to call
Passport :( ?

Please reply via e-mail.

Thanks,
Kieran
rhysling@ucsu.colorado.edu
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: sample formats
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:46:30 GMT
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands

mjb@mulka.ph.unimelb.edu.au (Michael Beeching) writes:


>	Ok, lets try a different track. Recently I asked if anybody had the
>format for the Akai S1000 samples, and received no reply!! (not one) So

Ever heard of the MIDI Sample Dump Standard? If not, email me. (supposing the
S1000 knows about MIDI SDS - or is it an oldy?)

--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra - Department of Philosophy
University of Utrecht - The Netherlands
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From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:17:42 GMT
Subject: Re: request for FAQ
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

I just got e-mail from Berkley telling me that there is a FAQ.  If
you are still looking and can't find it, it can be ftp'ed.  It
looks like the thing (it's now 2000+ lines) gets posted the first
of the month.

Sorry I forgot about it; the first bunch of it is pretty specific
to NetJam software, but it's gotten a bit broader (and *much* longer).

Pete Brooks

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: gunter@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Gunter Ahrendt)
Subject: ARP Owners?
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:31:18 GMT

Any fellow ARP Owners out there? I have an Omni & Odyssey...wow :)
From: woodson@cse.ucsc.edu (Morgan Woodson )
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Gear Lust
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:50:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.32805
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)

In article <1992Apr13.130941.23742@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller) writes:
>lame themselvs. There is one exception: Opcodes Galaxy line of
>editor. Talk about powerfull! To bad they are only available on the
>Mac. 

>to pay extra! But please, develope for all major platforms...

OpCode had a want ad in the San Jose Mecury News for Windows Programmers
last week.  Seems they are porting their stuff for Windows.  Of course,
this just promotes pre-pre-announcement gear drooling and lust.  I
also wonder what they will port first- Vision and Galaxy would be
obvious choices, but what about Studio Vision supporting Turtle
Beach's card and MAX?  How about MAX w/ tilde classes (like on
the IRCAM Music Workstation) for DSP and synthesis running on
Hauppage's 4860 board- a 486 and 860 on one motherboard.  Not likeley,
but one can dream...

-Morgan    -->  woodson@cse.ucsc.edu
From: Don.Finch@Sun.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: ForSale: EML-100, make offer
Summary: Electrocomp 100, analog synth for sale
Keywords: EML-100, Electrocomp, analog, synth, sale
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:21:14 GMT
Reply-To: Don.Finch@Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: traffic5.ebay.sun.com

Description:
This is a classic analog synth with VCO's and ADSR's, etc.  Patch bay for
alternate settings.  It doesn't compare to what modern FM or Sampled synths
can do but it is great for learning about sound shaping.

Condition:
It's old, pots need cleaning, lots of dust. It puts out some rich sounds.

Price:
Around $300/obo OR trade for more recent FM style synth.

Send Inquiries to:
	Don.Finch@Sun.COM
(located in the SF Bay area)
From: ecc_foley@ecc.tased.edu.au (Rodney Foley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Looking for Roland samples (S-750)
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:45:45 +1000

Hi everyone,

I bought a Roland S-750 sampler, here in Australia, a couple of months ago.
I noticed at the same time in England, Roland were giving away a set of
50 sample disks with each S-750. When I talked to the Roland people in 
Australia about some free disks they were uninterested. Even getting one
grand piano sample meet with a NO. Roland's user service here is about the same
as their service in America i.e. virtually non-existant.

My question is, has anybody purchased an S-750 in England and received their 
50 disk, if so is there any way I can get a copy of these, I know this may 
be hard to do, we are probably talking about 50 - 70 Meg of samples. 
Are these disks on an ftp site somewhere ?
Any information would be greately appreciated.

Thanks Rodney 

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