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From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Stopping greyhound track
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:34:09 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

> I think some dog racing states generate 8-10 million dollars annually from
> the taxes associated with this disgusting sport.  
> 
> Dogs, people and big sums of money are just an awful combination.
> 
> Wish I had a suggestion.
> 
> Again good luck,
> Debbie Meads
> and Tyre & Sidon (the polka-dot greyhounds)
> 
> p.s.  my two boys didn't even make it to the "track" they were deemed 
> undesirable at a year old.  (Most dogs get trained around 1-1.5 years then
> start at a track (read $$) around 2yrs)
> 


Maybe y'all can help me...I'm on a horse racing mailing list, and some of 
the people on it REFUSE to believe that greyhound racing is especially
cruel.  Well, I posted on that list an explanation of what I perceived to
be the many problems with dog racing, and that seems to have make everyone
drop the topic for now.  But should this arise again on that list, I would
love to have a coherent set of arguments to make based on people's first-
hand knowledge of what goes on with racing greyhounds (and those of course
deemed unworthy for racing, like Debbie's).  Since I've never been to a
dog track (and never will go) and as of yet haven't been involved in 
rescuing these wonderful animals, I don't see myself as a knowledgable
source.  Can anyone help me out?


(This info may help Scott out too --- just educating people about what dog
racing is really all about might persuade people in his area that dog
racing isn't really a prestigious industry to bring to your neighborhood)


Thanks!
Holly Kruse
University of Louisville

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hilp@hfglobe.intel.com (Robin Rosenbaum)
Subject: Dog Shows in December?
Organization: Intel Corporation
Distribution: pnw
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:46:48 GMT

Where can I find out about any dog shows or trials to be held in the NW
Oregon and W Washington area between 12/2 and 12/9 this year?  Events in
the Portland area are preferable but travelling as far as, say, Seattle
would be okay.

My mother will be visiting from Houston and I'd like to put a dog show
on the agenda.  She really enjoyed the one we went to on her last visit.
Her main interest is Companion dog training.

Please email since I read this group rarely.  Thanks in advance!

Robin Hilp
rosenrob@ccm.hf.intel.com or just reply to this message
All opinions, attitudes, and beliefs expressed herein are mine, personally.
From: dbwebe@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: skunk smell
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:47:37 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1992Nov04.004837.688462@locus.com>, krissie@locus.com (Krissie Griffiths) writes:
> In article <1992Oct28.064303.14337@sco.COM> megm@sco.COM (Meg McRoberts) writes:

> [story deleted about dog getting 'skunked']

> that is skunky, and he likes to sleep with his face next to mine when i am
> visiting there.  also i like to kiss him on the face, but skunk is not one of
> my favorite smells.
> 
> so, how long till he fades?
> 
> kg
> 

	My dog was sprayed by a skunk about 2 weeks ago, and the
	smell was strongest on his face, as well. It has just about faded
	totally now. We washed him in tomato paste (diluted), but when we
	found him, his face was still wet from the spray, so I don't think
	the tomato paste was strong enough to get rid of the smell there.
        It kind of started to smell like coffee grounds before it faded
	totally. 
	I hope he's through chasing those black and white cats now.

	Deb



Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Dave_Allen@mindlink.bc.ca (Dave Allen)
Subject: Bullmastiffs
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:02:38 GMT

We have recently published a book on Bullmastiffs (by Bill Walkey) and have
tried to contact all the Clubs in N.A. but may have missed a few. DO
Bullmastiff Fanciers frequent this are of Usennet?


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From: ALI00JEV@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU (Judith Van Noate)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Rescue Groups
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:30:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: UNCCVM.16896E819.ALI00JEV
Organization: UNC Charlotte

In article <1992Nov4.200354.12253@u.washington.edu>
diannes@stein.u.washington.edu (Dianne Schoenberg) writes:
 
>
>
>I do think it would be useful to have a list of rescue groups on the net
>somewhere--didn't somebody volunteer to do this a few days ago?
 
I would be interested in a rescue list--I've been involved on a small
scale in rescue for 13 years--mostly me adopting and keeping dogs,
occasionally placing one--result, too many dogs.  Now I'm officially
a member of German Shorthaired Pointer Rescue.  I don't have the
technical expertise to maintain a list, plus my job is pretty time
consuming.  Someone to talk to on this topic (without boring people
interested in other aspects of dogs) would be wonderful.  Right now I
have six rescue dogs plus nine other dogs.
Judith Van Noate  ali00jev@unccvm.uncc.edu
>
>On a closely-related topic, I've been kicking around an idea for a week or
>so & thought I'd throw it out to the net: would anyone (besides me) be
>interested in an email list for those of us that are involved in rescue
>work?  (Mind you, I'm not volunteering myself to do this; I'm having
>enough trouble figuring out how to post this...)  There seem to be quite a
>number of people involved in rescue on the net.  The email list could
>be a forum for discussing issues like starting a rescue, evaluating dogs &
>potential adopters, dealing with foster home issues, training rescue dogs,
>etc.
>
>The main reason I suggest this is that I am fairly new at rescue work
>(about one year) but do have the advantage of working with a large &
>well-established all-breed group.  I know that there have been times I
>would have been completely LOST without having had more experienced people
>to ask questions of.  Also, rescue work is so inherently stressful it
>would be nice to have a place to blow off some steam--for instance, last
>weekend I had my first experience of evaluating a dog & having to tell his
>owners that he was unplaceable for temperament reasons; I am very sad about
>this & would welcome a chance to commiserate with others.
>
>Any comments?  Any volunteers to coordinate this?
>
>****************************************************************************
>Dianne & her kids:                                  diannes@u.washington.edu
>            K.C.: U-CD Nightwind's Elan, HC HCT CGC (Briard)
>             Chloe: Found a Four-Leaf Clover, HT CGC (OES)
>****************************************************************************
>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Lyme disease shots a good idea?
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:05:46 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20In-Reply-To: maryd@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:55:04 GMTLines: 31

In <BxAuru.K1D@news.cso.uiuc.edu> maryd@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu writes:

> When Cassi was getting her yearly shots a few weeks ago, the vet
> asked if I wanted him to give her the shot for lyme disease.  I
> decided not to for now; we'll reconsider in the Spring.
[...]
> Opinions?

I live very near LYME, Connecticut, where Lyme Disease has been endemic for
years now.  Fort Dodge has sold a canine Lyme vaccine for 2+ years now, & the
vets around here have been involved in some of the testing of it.  My dog & I
walk in tick-infested woods regularly.  (I wish there were a Lyme vaccine for
humans!)  Even so, my vet recommended waiting until next year to give Buffy a
Lyme vaccine.  Her reasoning was that Lyme disease is so easy to recognize & to
treat in dogs, that she'd rather risk seeing Buffy get Lyme & have to take a
course of amoxycilin to get rid of it, than risk giving such a new vaccine to a
young puppy.  Offhand, I'd say Buffy is at much higher risk than it sounds as
though Cassi is, & Buffy hasn't gotten Lyme (OR the vaccine) yet.

I *believe* (though am not 100% certain) that the (slight!!) worry about Lyme
vaccines (--and I KNOW this is the reason that there isn't a human Lyme vaccine
yet--) is that it is conceivably POSSIBLE that the vaccine itself might provoke
some of the longer term symptoms associated with chronic Lyme disease.  SO FAR
THERE ARE NO RECORDED CASES OF THIS HAPPENING YET, & Fort Dodge has sold, as I
understand it, millions of doses of the vaccine for dogs already, so it seems
pretty unlikely that it WILL occur.  But I think that remote possibility (as
well as the expense) is the basis for any hesitation.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Subject: Crate & Tag Dogs when Traveling !!!
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:59:09 GMT

I got one of those phone calls last night that a dog lover hates to
get......

It started out with a friend saying "Judy was in a terrible accident on the

way home from the Oklahoma circuit".  My heart sank.  Judy was sideswiped,
she was hurt badly and taken from the scene in an air ambulance.  The
people
in the car that hit her were both killed instantly.  Judy's dogs were all
in the
back of the van secure in their Vari-Kennels...or at least we assume that a

Vari-Kennel is secure in an accident.  Apparently the impact was enough to 
pop open one of the Vari-Kennel doors and Angel (WB from our recent
National) got out.  The rescue workers were amazed to see her and 
fortunately got ahold of her.  Further inspection of the rear of the van 
showed that all of the other dogs were still in their crates and safe and
sound.  

All of this got me to thinking....I travel with my dogs a lot.  Many
of these trips I am alone and quite far from home.  I have in the past been
sure that every dog had some sort of collar on and a lead attached to the
front of their crate.  I guess I was being the ever eternal optimist
assuming
that in the case of an accident I would be able to get out of the car, put
my
dogs on lead and walk away !!  From now on, all my dogs will have collars
with ID tags on them for travel *AND* I will be sure to have a note some-
where in the car with names and phone numbers of people to call that could 
care for my dogs should I not be able to. I know it's sort of a grim thing
to
think about.........but reality sort of sets in when you hear of something
like
this happening to a friend.   Judy is apparently doing well, she is alive
*ONLY* because she had her seat-belt on !!

BTW, Oreo looks like she swallowed a watermelon (poor girl) and she 
started some serious nesting last night (I got no sleep at all !!). I'm
sure 
she is as ready as I am to introduce these puppies to "the real world". 
She's not due until next Wednesday, but everyone who has seen her
has said that they think she'll go early. Anybody want to guess how 
many there will be ?  Holly Kruse has already predicted 20 *nervous 
giggle* :-).   Marla, if I'm not at the match or the show this weekend,
you'll know where I am !!

Cattle Dog Kisses to all !!   Put ID tags on those 4-legged beasties and
put them in crates when you travel...and for gosh sakes, put on your
seatbelt !!!

Kathy
--------------------------
Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs
Kathy_Buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu
"Australian Cattle Dogs are not just a breed....they're a way of life !!!"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Subject: Re: beserk puppy
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 17:06:59 GMT

Jon Pastor writes:
>Katie acts like a lunatic sometimes without any provocation, 
>racing around with her butt skootched under,

D.G. Meads writes:
>When I read this I had to laugh!  This is how I describe one of my greyhounds
>when he goes nuts running around the dinning room table!  I guess since there
>isn't enough room to stretch out and sprint this "skootched under" action
>is the best way to achieve speed in a small area!
>
>I'll have to go home and tell ol Psilocybin that he's not alone in his
>madness!

Indeed, he is not.  My GSD, Kelsey, does this too - especially when she's
really wired because we haven't been to the park in several days.  She
will also grab the short end of her Flexi-lead and buck like a rodeo
bronco, followed by that tucked butt run back and forth to the extent of
the lead.

Robbin
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Cracked Tooth, what to do?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:43:52 GMT

trsharp@digi.lonestar.org (Tracy Sharp) writes:
>I found a hole in my dog's upper canine molar.  After seeing a specialist, the
>options open to me are extraction or a root canal.  The root canal being
>almost 3x as much in cost.  My dog is 10 1/2 and is expected to live another
>4-8 years based on his parents health.  If he were much younger, I would
>definitely go for the root canal, but at 10, I am confused, how much does he
>really need this tooth?  Am I being cruel thinking that we can take care of it
>by just pulling the tooth?  
*----
I'd do the minimum in this case.  Anesthesia for a 10+ year old dog
can be very dangerous.
--
	Mike Berger
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 10:39:01 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: How do you fight a race track?
Comment-To: Kathleen_Brewer@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  You have a point there about the Greyhounds not being generally
abused.  You can't get a dog to perform the way you want by abusing
it.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Mon,  9 Nov 92 10:33:00 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: EUTHANASIA: Winston
Comment-To: hckrus01@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  Look at it this way- you were 14 years old, and inexperienced. If
you raised this dog from a pup, and did your best with it, what were
you Expected to be able to do?
  The quality of Irish Setters took a nosedive in the sixties, after
the Disney film, Big Red.  Like so many other very popular breeds, the
quality went down when the demand for the dogs went up.  Also, the
dogs were do longer worked as bird dogs, and lost all their sense. 
The saying about Irish Setter now is that they will get lost on the
end of a leash.
  Now, I didn't catch the whole story of your Irish Setter, but I am
guessing that you were about an average kid who provided at least
average care.  Something about the dog made it impossible to live
with, even when provided with normal care.  What choice did you have
but to put the dog down if it could not adjust to a normal household?
  You did the right thing, even if you felt guilty at the time, and
felt there was something Else you could have done for it.    What?
Palm your problem off onto some kind but unsuspecting person?
  If you cared for the dog, and did everything in your power for it,
what makes you think anyone else could do more for it?
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re:Newfy Snores (was We want a family dog).
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:17:32 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <16330088@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
writes:
>.....descriptions of Newfy snoring deleted............
>So when does this snoring start?  Deli has been quiet the entire
>few weeks she's been home.  She sleeps by my bed.  No one told
>me they snore :-)  My last Newfy didn't snore.

Actually, I don't recall ever having a snoring puppy. And of course, not
all of my adults snore, either. Seems to be an adult trait...like full-scale,
flood-level, celing-decorating slobber production.

Marget
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From: mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Free Iams Food coupon gone
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:22:55 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacman.wpi.edu


The above says it all.   If I get any more mailings, I'll let 
everyone know!

Margaret
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 14:53:35 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Dog eating cat food.
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: 

In article <BxMoIr.J1y@icon.rose.hp.com> chapp@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Bill Chapp) writes:
>[Miniature Schnauzer eats kitten's food]
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions for other things she could try?

The simplest thing I've found that works consistently is to keep the food
out of the dog's reach.  This generally means you don't let the cat eat
whenever it wants to, you put it on a feeding schedule.  It's a bit tougher
with young kittens because they need food more often, but our adult cats
eat twice a day.  While they eat, they are physically seperated from the
dogs.  The cats have learned that if they don't eat NOW, the dogs will see
to it that there is no food left after the barrier (a door) is removed.

The other alternative is once the kitten gets older, try putting its food
up on, say, a washing machine, out of the dog's reach but within jumping
distance of the cat.  Train the cat to eat up there while young so that it
knows where to get its' dinner.

Cat food is just TOO GOOD smelling and tasting to dogs for them to be able
to pass it up, in my experience.  I suppose that a good, persistent dog 
trainer could eventually train it not to do this, but is it worth it if a
simple solution is available?
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                   ---Quick Draw McGraw
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From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Common mistake
Date: 5 Nov 1992 23:21:54 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu
Keywords: Spelling

In article <1992Nov4.033553.28545@news.arc.nasa.gov> shafer@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer OFA) writes:
>My favorites are the dogs that heal.  Laying on of paws, I suppose.
>
	And, of course, bitches that are spade.  What does a bitch have to
do with a shovel anyway?

==lizalee



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From: bbeason@rcsuna.gmr.com (Breon Beason )
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Children and CHOWS
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:48:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GM Research Labs, Warren, MI

I am looking for some advice. I have two adult CHOWS as part of my family.
One of the dogs has a very nice temperment. The other dog, the alpha male,
is mean, controllable, but MEAN. My wife is expecting our baby to be born
within the next few months. She is mighty afraid that the dogs will become
jealous of the new baby and tear him/her into pieces! Does anyone out there
in NET land have any experience in this situation? Any stories? Any advice
would be appreciated. I know one solution would be to get rid of the dogs
but my family is very attached to them. Please help. Thanks in advance. 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Subject: Re: I'm back
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:46:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.185114.3466@linus.mitre.org> bds@mbunix.mitre.org (Smith) writes:
>In article <Bx7E75.MEy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's)) writes:
>>
>>
>>A little update on
>>Miami for you guys.  Miami is still in shambles.  Holmstead really
>>got hit bad.   Some people are still in hotels until their houses get
>>built.  (that over 9 weeks and still counting).  I guess that the
>>shelters in the area are really overfilled with lost dogs and cats.
>>I saw three roaming dogs in the Miami Beach area alone.  No collars,
>>No tags, no way to identify the owners.
>
>>Marla Belzowski
>
>When the Yankee Weimaraner Club met last weekend for its annual
>Halloweim party, we decided to give $100 to each of 5 south Florida
>dog clubs.  It's not enough, but it's something.  Are other clubs
>doing this, too?
>
>Barry
>
>
Yep, my club up north (the Trail Creek Dog Training Club) donated
I think $500 to the Miami shelters for supplies and food for the
homeless pets.  I have also seen a lot of collection jars out
at many dog shows for the same purpose (and I've donated about $15 this
way).  I think there are quite a few clubs sending donations.

------
Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee  5.5 mo.  sable and white collie
From: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Rescue Groups
Date: 11 Nov 92 08:41:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096
Reply-To: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) 

In a comment from Michelle Dick:

MD> I am very gratified to hear that there is no such limitation.  Thank
MD> you.  Previous postings on this subject emphasized compilation of
MD> BREED rescue groups.  I figured the modifier was there for a reason.

The source of the misunderstanding is that most of rescue organizations
(non-humane society, that is) are supported by various local breed clubs.
Although there are mixed-breed rescues, they appear to be in the minority.

I think the reason for this is that breeders are beginning to take
seriously their responsibility (responsible breeders, that is <g>), and
want to see that each one of their line's offspring is in a good home.

Related, but different: We have worked with Basset Rescue and the DDPF.
We have rescued mixed breed (and even non-basset pure breed dogs), although
I am partial to basset and mixed basset dogs.  Personally, I find small or
toy dogs to be "yippy".  I am very nearsighted and have difficulty locating
small dogs without my glasses.  Bassets, OTOH, are big enough to see and,
for the most part, slow enough to catch <g>...  I am partial to the size,
disposition and characteristics of bassets and so I am much more likely to
rescue a basset than, say, a newf or a chinese crested.  This is not to
disparage these breeds, it's just that (for me) newfs are too big and the
crested is too small.  Newfs also won't fit through our dog door.  Bassets
are just right...

While we have either rescued or "foster cared" a bouquet of pure-bred
bassets, two of the most lovable are basset mixes: a corgi/basset named
Reina and a basset/german shorthaired pointer named Droopy.   The latter
one is the easiest to wash (ultra short coat), while the former is the most
difficult (extremely thick coat).

Regards, Mikey (michael.hagerty@nitelog.com)

 * JABBER v1.3B1 #B042 * Zounds!  Five Basset Hounds on the bed at once!