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From: jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking)
Subject: Re: Minivan Maniacs
Organization: National Commitee to Keep Slower Traffic Right
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:14:00 GMT

In article <3669@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> macman+@pitt.edu (Dennis H Lippert) writes:
>In article <1992Jul19.231211.15909@wuecl.wustl.edu> c31002wb@jezebel.wustl.edu (William Burris) writes:
>
>>I also found that the cruise control won't lock-in above 85 mph - actually,
>>it will lock-in at 90mph but will drop back to 85 mph for some reason.
>>FYI, the speedometer goes up to 130 mph on the Caravan - why that is I
>>have no idea.
>
>That's for those of us who have the non-grand version with the 4-cylinder
>Turbo.  On the auto trans it'll hit 90 in second (3-speed) so 130 might
>not be *too* far-fetched.
>
>For the record, our 1984 2.2 5-speed Voyager could do over 100... the
>turbo's got 50% more horses (albiet, speed gobbles those horses *real*
>fast...)
>
>And yes, the turbos are noticeably quicker than even the 3.3 V6 vans.

flame set:  lukewarm

I hope you folks never have to do emergency braking or maneuvering
whilst moving at such speeds in your vans... 

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From: blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Who gets to buy a sports car?
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:55:16 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw) writes:

> From article <1992Jul18.192331.6294@rdr.com>, by randy@rdr.com (Randy Tidd):
> > 
> > Is there something I'm missing?  Why do these people pay the big bucks for 
> > these cars and drive them like a Hyundai?  Is it a status symbol?  Are  
> > they a lot more mature than I am, and don't want to have fun while behind  
> > the wheel?  Maybe someone can enlighten me.
> > 
> I had always thought that it was because they had a lot of fun when
> they first got the cars and now were driving under probation.  In NJ
> it's: 12 points and if you don't take the class, or if you do take
> the class and then get another ticket in the next year, your license
> is suspended.  It's amazingly easy to get those 12 points, too.  Not,
> it goes without saying, that any of this has ever happened to me.


(they also make you take the class, if you get more than 2 (yes folks, ONE 
ticket) in your first year of driving).  So, I had to take this damn thing, 
me and my two point speeding ticket (63 ina 50).  There were people who had..

13 points
17 points
25 points
34 points  yes 34 points... what the HELL was I doing here?

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I need a girl real bad...                                   Are you real bad?
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From: spencer@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Greg Spencer)
Subject: Re: Laser Detectors - How do they work?
Organization: Elec Eng, Univ of Western Australia
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:42:34 GMT

joso@vega.math.ualberta.ca (Joseph_So) writes:

>>Laser speed detectors work on the same principles as a regular radar
>>detector.. after all light is just a radio signal at a much higher
>>frequency. The biggest difference is that a laser speed detector can
>>be aimed at one single car among a group. This cannot be done with a
>>radar detector because the radio signal isn't in a narrow beam.



Wrong !!! the laser works completly differntly to a normal radar Unit, It DOSN`T use doppler shift , instead it uses distance checks - this is the only way that they can get an accurate speed using a frequency that high!  

Also most lasers also use two speed checks (four dist) so that an error will be displayed if they try and "paint" your car!





>The City of Edmonton bought 2 laser guns at $6,000 a piece.
>I am sure the units have already paid for themselves. (Both
>my GF and I got a ticket for around $100 clocked by a laser
>gun)

Compared to over $100,000 for a muti-nover thats cheep!.
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From: njs@scifi.uucp (Nicholas J. Simicich)
Subject: Re: Who gets to buy a sports car?
Organization: Nick Simicich, Peekskill, NY
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:55:17 GMT

In article <Bry6oB.8Dq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> khan@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Coleman) writes:

>Some people have all the luck. I can't even count the number of times some
>jerk has pulled a stupid stunt, and how I WISHED a cop would see it and ticket
>the bastard, but I've never seen it happpen. :-(

So a couple days ago, I pulled up to a red light at a tee
intersection.  The leg of the tee was to my right, and there was
someone (who had the green) making a left from the leg onto the top of
the tee.  A woman coming the other direction across the top of the tee
ran the red light and nearly nailed the guy making the left, jammed
her brakes hard and barely managed to stop.

The cop who had been trolling (K-band, half a block behind me) for
speeders was awake enough to notice this and nailed her.

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From: tomevans@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Officers breaking the law (was Re: Another lying police incedent)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 16:11:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

> >The "problem" is that the police officer was also speeding, and did not
> >get a speeding citation.  I have changed the subject heading for this
> >post, since it wasn't a "lying police incident" in actuality.  Yes, I
> >was speeding, and I got a ticket.  That's not the problem.
> >
> >The reason why I was making "an issue of his being in front of" me was
> >because he was *speeing himself*.  ...
>
SO WHAT? Cops (when on duty) are allowed to speed in the performance of their
duty, whether in marked or unmarked cars. They are also allow to carry loaded
guns, which for most of us is illegal. Undercover cops carry concealed weapons,
speed, and probably many other things that are illegal for the rest of us.
Even when I cop is off-duty, he can (suppose to?) carry a gun, I don't think
it would take much for him to get out of any ticket, he can say "I saw a
suspicious vehicle speeding, I was following it to check it out".
Tom
From: zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Who gets to buy a sports car?
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:13:45 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Amoco

>(Randy Tidd) writes:
>>However, I have made the same observations as the  
>>original poster.  I see people driving really nice cars -- 'Vettes, BMW's,  
>>Mercedes', Porches, etc. and they drive like grandmothers.
>>Why do these people pay the big bucks for these cars and drive them like a
>>Hyundai?

>(Donna Martz) writes:  ...  (you've read it before, right?)

kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
>See, everybody here (at least all the "slow down"/"discretion" people) seem
>to think that driving a sports-oriented car means squealing tires from
>stoplight to stoplight. WRONG. What pisses me off about these fuckers is that
>they drive them like they are at the wheel of a 1940's era fully loaded 12-
>ton truck. 

You obvious have never witnessed my driving style Mr. Crudup - and you 
have convienient deleted portions of my post to make me appear (even more) 
foolish.   (I do quite well without your help, thank you.)

>To wit:

>  - the infamous first-car-at-the-red-light-that-just-turned-green pull up,
>    BRAKE (Why, dammit?! You're doing what, *10* MPH in a 300ZX!?!) and
>    make your 90 degree right turn,

Possibly influenced by a navigator who goes "um,um,um TURN HERE!", ever
been on a trip with one of THEM?  I ignore people who do this.
(This obviously wasn't my Z, perhaps it wasn't even a Z at all.)

[ More humorous anecdotes deleted - 
  all of which sound suspiciously like a NEW YORKER, not a sports car.] 

>No comprehension of handling, performance, or intelligent avoidance.
>Hell, I just read in MT that the #1 reason Acura Vigor owners picked the
>car was because of "styling", so what do you expect. The review trashed the
>car, and I heard that here as well, so it could be moot anyways.

>	Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh (sound of speen pressure release),
>		-Kenny

An Acura?   Would this be included in the group specified by the original 
   poster.     Jeeeeeeeeeeeess. 

I believe the poster who said these rantings are a release for some who 
really, really, really want a sports car, but can't have one.  After all
idiot drivers come in all styles and sizes.
From: joso@vega.math.ualberta.ca (Joseph_So)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Laser Detectors - How do they work?
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:33:40 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

spencer@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Greg Spencer) writes:

>joso@vega.math.ualberta.ca (Joseph_So) writes:

>>>Laser speed detectors work on the same principles as a regular radar
>>>detector.. after all light is just a radio signal at a much higher
>>>frequency. The biggest difference is that a laser speed detector can
>>>be aimed at one single car among a group. This cannot be done with a
>>>radar detector because the radio signal isn't in a narrow beam.



>Wrong !!! the laser works completly differntly to a normal radar Unit, It DOSN`T use doppler shift , instead it uses distance checks - this is the only way that they can get an accurate speed using a frequency that high!  

>Also most lasers also use two speed checks (four dist) so that an error will be displayed if they try and "paint" your car!





>>The City of Edmonton bought 2 laser guns at $6,000 a piece.
>>I am sure the units have already paid for themselves. (Both
>>my GF and I got a ticket for around $100 clocked by a laser
>>gun)

>Compared to over $100,000 for a muti-nover thats cheep!.


BTW, I didn't write any of the stuff on the principle of
laser and radar. All I said was the City of Edmonton bit.
Apparently, the news reader program is to dumb to figure out
who said what correctly.


--------------------------------
Joseph So
Mathematics, U of Alberta, Edmonton
joseph@hyper.math.ualberta.ca
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From: ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw)
Subject: Re: Who gets to buy a sports car?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:57:47 GMT

From article <1992Jul21.004845.13968@fivegl.co.nz>, by derek@fivegl.co.nz (Derek Tearne):
>
> Rust is like Aids - it transfers itself to your car if the other car 
> penetrates the paint... and once you've got rust it will _never_ go away.
> 
How do you get this?  You claim that if I put a rusty piece of
iron next to an unrusty one for a couple of hours, that the clean
one will somehow be infected?  The oxygen that is already bound
to the iron in the rust will somehow jump off and move over to
the other piece?  Why?

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From: njs@scifi.uucp (Nicholas J. Simicich)
Subject: Re: Deer Claims Another; Thoughts
Organization: Nick Simicich, Peekskill, NY
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:54:16 GMT

In article <24757@dog.ee.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov writes:
>In article <9900936@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) 
>writes... 
>{Deleted story of lessons learned from an accident scene.}
>
>Flares are a very good idea.  I keep some of the long ones for me
>and a handful of the $0.99 15-minute jobbies for Samaritanizing
>people who have busted down on the freeway.  (My usage: drop
>'em 100' and 50' behind the hapless motorist, stick an unlit one in
>his hand, and, barring injuries, go along my way after enjoining
>him/her to buy some of the damn things and carry them in the trunk.
>The Highway Patrol drops enough of them to direct a B-17 raid, but
>then again, it's their line of work, not mine.)  The prospect of
>even sitting in my stalled car on our freeways without one or more
>flares, much less trying to do anything to it, is downright terrifying.

When I lived in Virginia, the state police had a policy there:  If you
stopped to give someone flares and then hung around to help them and a
state trooper showed up, they would 'replace your flares', usually with
10 or so of the 30 minute flares.  I stopped and gave out 30 or 40
flares in the time I lived there and only bought six.

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From: waco@cbnewse.cb.att.com (john.l.broughton)
Subject: Re: assisting roadise emergencies - legal question
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:01:04 GMT


Subject: Re: assisting roadside emergencies - legal question
In message <1992Jul21.170909.4296@bb1t.monsanto.com> tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.
com writes
>
>In article <1992Jul21.192117.16907@Csli.Stanford.EDU>, 
>kawai@Csli.Stanford.EDU (goh kawai - n6uok) writes:
>> Dear all
>> 
>> Not knowing where to post, I ask the "rec.autos.driving" group for legal
>> guidance.
>> 
>> Is assisting a roadside emergency a legally requirement?  If I pass by an
>> accident site, am I legally required to render assistance?  What if the
>> person has a gun?  Can I stay away if I feel scared, or I feel I won't be of
>> any help?  Is it true that, in California, you don't have to stop, but if
>> you do stop you cannot leave until real help arrives?
>> 
>> I'm especially interested in California law requirements, because I live in
>> California.
>> 
>> Thanks for any info.
>
>I think that you should ask this question of yourself:  Wouldn't you want
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>someone to help *YOU* if *YOU* were lying by the side of the road bleeding
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>to death?  Don't worry though, if there were such a law it would be 
 ^^ ^^^^^
  The humanitarian answer is, of course, yes.  The actual answer depends
  on the laws of the state you happen to be in.  In the past in Illinois,
  persons who rendered assistance have been sued by the persons they tried to
  help and the plaintifs won huge judgements for permanent injuries.  If you
  are in a very serious wreck and someone pulls you out of a burning car to
  save your life and you become a paraplegic, was it the accident that did
  it or the person moving you?  I guess they would have been better off to
  let the victims burn to death.

  This lead Illinois to pass a "Good Samaritan" law that allows you to try
  to save someone's life without being held legally responsible for injuries.
  I am sure there are some limits, but I am not familiar with them.

  I am not sure if a passing motorist in IL is "required" to render assistance
  to an injured person, but if you are involved in the accident you are
  liable for arrest if you just leave the scene.

  In the litigious society we have today, trying to help can sometimes
  end up ruining your entire life.

>difficult to enforce, so just drive away and ignore the pain and suffering
>or even the potential loss of life that you could stop.  I'm sure by the
>tone of your questions that you could easily find an excuse to make you
>feel better about it. 
>
>  TED FEUERBACH   Scientific Systems Consultant  Trilogy Consulting, Inc. 
>  Lake St. Louis, MO        (314) 537-6603       tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
>  Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed herein are MY OWN and obviously not
>  the opinions of Trilogy, Monsanto or either of my two ex-wives.           


John L. Broughton
AT&T Naperville, IL
john.l.broughton@att.com
att!john.l.broughton
From: U53966@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: shane nos vettes?!!!!
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:08:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92204.170807U53966
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Ah dont claim tobe no vette expert but ole Shane know or he thinks he knows tha
t the vette was always made of that there fiberglass.  Weeeellll i done hear th
at some o them early vettes were made of good ole iron.  Then they run off and
discovered that there glass stuff, and from then on the vette was glass.
So yawll git to the bare metal of glass on thison sooon ya hear.
Dont preserve no car use it, just like the ole noodle.  Does no good sittin
in a jar or a garage.  Ah see a saturn in your future? or was that a fiero?
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From: amb@cs.columbia.edu (andrew m. boardman)
Subject: The Connecticut Moving Violation Meat Processor...
Organization: Slug Hordes of the Planet Gamma
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:21:21 GMT


[A poster relates a story of a speeding ticket gotten en Connecticut, and
asks how the CT judicial process works.  I've been through the process
about a dozen times in the last few years (*not* all my tickets) so...]

The first date they will mail you is not really a trial, it's a meeting
with the prosecuter.  He (or she, many are female) will ask you why you
are pleading "not guilty".  Based on what you say and what local policies
are, they'll either offer you the choice to plead guilty for a lesser
offense, make up an arbitrary amount for you to pay, or (very, *very*
rare) ditch the ticket completely.  This will almost always be a timeslot
in the morning; everyone else has the same time too; the best thing to do
is be an hour (or more) early so that you're not on line for another
half-dozen...  I suppose it's possible, but I've never seen one offer you
no discount at all and tell you you'll have to see the judge.  (They're
not stupid; the time the cop spends in court won't make up for all the
tickets he'll miss writing.)  I've never actually been to a trial, but
reading indicates that radar is given the legal equivalent of a
presumption of guilt, and VASCAR a presumtion of innocence.  If anyone
*has* ever taken a CT ticket to court, I'd love to hear about the
experience.  Since NY doesn't hear about out-of-state tickets, I've never
bothered going all the way...

Always apply the general wisdom that if you got a ticket from an officer
who just happened upon you and was involved in something else, they very
often won't bother showing up in court, as yours might be the only thing
they'd be there for, whereas if it was part of a regular revenue
gathering operation, they most likely will be there...

Since the person who posted was radared passing a truck, I'd say take it
all the way unless the prosecuter offers a good deal.  Just that one was
supposedly radared passing such a big target is enough to get the ticket
thrown out in some places...

andrew
From: shubu@cs.utexas.edu (Shubhendu Sekhar Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Driving from Austin to Madison
Date: 21 Jul 1992 13:47:25 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: oporto.cs.utexas.edu


(Madison in Wisconsin). 

I am still undecided as to whether I should drive down from Austin to Madison. 
I have a Ford Escort ('86) with 70K miles on it.  It has a new fuel pump and a
new distributor.  The battery had been replaced a year back, the Engine Oil 
and coolant last week,  the transmission fluid around last December.  The 
Brakes are in extremely good condition.  

The route I would like to take is Austin-Memphis-Nashville-Madison.  That I
guess would be around 2000 miles.  My questions are:

1. Is this vehicle dependable for such a long drive (I got it second hand
and had never driven it outside Austin myself)?  What do Ford Escort Owners 
say?

2.  What do I have to do on the way while driving (ok, ok, I got to check
the Engine oil every time I fill in gas, check the Tire pressure 
everyday) - but anything else - Transmission fluid check etc.?

3. What precautions do I need to take before starting off (ok, check 
brakes, all the fluids etc.) - anything else?

4. What do I need to do after reaching Madison - any standard check up? 

Any help would be MOST appreciated.

Thanks.
-Shubu



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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Buying a BELtronics RD in NYC
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 12:41:17 GMT

Can someone recommend a reputable shop in NYC for purchasing a top of the line
model from BEL? Just email direct to myhui@bnr.ca. Many thanks in advance.
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From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Who gets to buy a sports car? (Wong)
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:25:03 GMT

jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>My question to you is: do you think your Camaro is a sports car?  If
>so, consider that according to Road & Track the '91 Camaro goes from
>60-0 in about 160 feet.

Whoops, I think the issue of R&T I used had a typo.  Several other
magazines I checked quote figures in the 130's (which is still
inferior to the Storm, but is at least in the ballpark).  It didn't
feel that good to me when driving it though.

Sorry for the bad number.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving

> A friend of mine has full coverage of a Honda Accord with All State.

Must be open season on Accords...  My wife just got rear ended yesterday
while waiting at a light.
In any case, she called her insurance (farmers) and they told her, if you
want us to follow through we will take out the deductible. If you call
the other car's insurance you should get the full amount.

She called the other insurance and they said they will send an adjuster,
and he'd write her a check.

Knowing that it is much easier to give money to an insurance than to
get money from them I have a question related to this accident:

I told my wife to go tho the Honda dealer before the adjuster shows up
 and get an estimate of what it would cost to repair. 
What happen if the adjuster offers a lower price ? 
Who can you turn to if they refuse to meet the Honda shop estimate ?

Thanks,

bruno.

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From: ebupaf@ebu.ericsson.se (Pat Fargo 6266)
Subject: Re: Who gets to buy a sports car?
Reply-To: ebupaf@ebu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Business Communications, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:14:49 GMT

Having driven Corvettes since 1974, I guess I can say
something about cars and the people that drive them. First,
nobody that drives a Corvette worries about the cops, and 
therefore drives slowly. We are just drivers, and I tend to
be on the high side myself. The biggest jerks out here in
California are the morning construction workers and their
beat-up trucks. These guys zip in and out of traffic like
they own the lanes. We just try and keep out of their way.
Most people that appreciate their car, also respect other
people's property, and drive in a fairly consciencious (sp?)
way. The older and more beat up the car, the more erratic
the driver.
---
Patrick A. Fargo		Ericsson Business Communication
				Anaheim, California

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