HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wac@world.std.com (william a colbert)
Subject: Re: 5/24/92 tape tree 
Keywords: I am confused..
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:32:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.001154.951@news.miami.edu> mariano@sgrmag.rsmas.miami.edu (Arthur Mariano) writes:
>
>Here is the 5/24/92 Shoreline tapetree. I dubbed all the analog tapes
>and Seth Breidbart dubbed all the DAT tapes for the main branch using 
>a DAT from Steve. Sincere thanks to these guys and those on the main 
>branch for making this tree possible. 
>To the main branch; if you don't have tapes or blanks+postage in the mail 
>to me, get in touch ASAP; I will be up north for a few weeks. I noticed 


< Arthur..Please excuse my ignorance but I am confused as to what my next move
is. Since this is my first ever tape tree I hope you will be patient and
understanding.  If you could Email me as to what the proper steps are in this
process I would be most grateful.  Peace Rob C

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From: Randy Schechter <randys@sun1.wwb.noaa.gov>
Subject: Jerry Garcia Band rumors
Reply-To: randys@sun1.wwb.noaa.gov
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:22:41 GMT

A friend told me he spoke to someone who works in the Crap Center(Maryland)
who said that The Jerry Garcia Band has booked two or three dates at the
Crap Center in November--will they (the Dead) give us no rest!!!???!!!
  
 On a separate topic I have to tell everyone who has been corresponding with me
with regard to tape trading (thanx) that I will be away for a few days
backpacking in New Hampshire. I'll be leaving tomorrow nite and returning 
Sunday or Monday so if you don't hear from me for a while, thats why!!
Take care everyone
                            Randy
P.S. To Eagle--you should take a stress pill or something!!
From: km0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kenneth Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Eugene Questions
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:27:32 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi Again,
Two questions on Eugene.
1.  How fast did it sell out?  (i.e. How fast for Sat and how fast for Sun?)
2.  In light of the great amount of interest in this show,
how quickly will the available camping at the show sight be taken?
I hear that the camping opens at 5:00 pm on Friday night.
Thanks 
Ken 



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"One Man Gathers What Another Man Spills"
  -Robert Hunter
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From: parilis@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gary Parilis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Kids at Dead Shows -- Costs
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:32:46 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <RBX3NB1w164w@c-cat.UUCP> polaris@c-cat.UUCP (Paul Harris) writes:

>  Dead policy is:  Children of walking age or 2yrs and up must have
>  a ticket.  A friend took his 18mos old, who was walking, and they
>  asked for a ticket, but when told he was under 2 they let him in.
>  
>  Next, they'll want a ticket for you dog.....

I once saw a guy walking around the parking lot with an eggplant that
had a face painted on it...  He was looking for a ticket for himself.
He said the eggplant already had one...  

;-)

- Gary P
From: cw@socketintel.com (Cathy Watkins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Need to trade Veneta tickets
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:36:02 GMT
Reply-To: cw@socketintel.com (Cathy Watkins)
Organization: O/S Technology Engineering, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR

HELP!

By some strange mistake that I don't understand, I received 3 Saturday
tickets and 3 Sunday tickets from the mail order folks.  I asked for 6
Saturday tickets, but it's too late for them to fix the problem.  I'd
like to trade my 3 Sunday tickets for 3 Saturday ones OR vice-versa so
all my friends can go on the same day.  We'd prefer Saturday, but at this
point, either will be fine.

If you live in the Portland area, it will be easiest for me to get these
to you.  If you live in the Bay area, one of the friends coming up is
in Berkeley & can deliver the tickets to you.  If you live elsewhere, we'll
figure it out.  I'd like to trade all 3 at once, but I'm willing to
entertain trading 1 and then trading the other 2 afterwards.

Thanks!

Cathy Watkins
(503) 696-2245 (work)
(503) 292-9660 (home)
cw@socket.intel.com
From: sowa@netcom.com (Erik Sowa)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: In defense of the Gores
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:22:48 GMT
	<14htriINNadl@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU>
Organization: Wahoo 5

>>>>> "Jordan" == Jordan Schwartz <ST702459@brownvm.brown.edu> writes:

Jordan> Eric Sewa: Do you honestly believe you have the *right* to yell
Jordan> obscenities at passerbys? I doubt it. Thus, "free speech" is not
Jordan> an absolute right (the presence of exceptions being proven).

Yeah, as a matter of fact I do, although I think in most cases it would
be irresponsible to do so. If I made a habit of doing that, nobody would
listen to me when I had something to say that I felt was important. But
here's the rub: I'm not going to try to stifle somebody because what
they want to say is, IMHO, stupid or offensive. I say, get stupid and/or
offensive ideas out in the open where they can be debunked! Ban 'em, and
they fester in the dark. Free speech *is* an absolute right.

-- 
Erik Sowa (sowa@netcom.com)
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From: sek@cbnews.cb.att.com (stephanie.e.kearns)
Subject: Strange Request
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:51:18 GMT
Keywords: Ear Bangles, San Francisco


I'm a lurker on this group - I read it mostly for information
about Ken Kesey/Merry Pranksters/general 60s trivia, etc. - I am very
interested in that period of time.  (And am almost old enough to have been
a part of it all!)
I apologize in advance for the lack of Dead content, but please
bear with me...

I just returned from a vacation/family reunion
in California, which included a visit
to San Francisco and the obligatory visit to Fisherman's Wharf.  
On the wharf there was a street vendor almost at the far end of
the street (is it Embarcadero?) on the opposite side from the bay
(Hope that's descriptive enough.)
She was selling things called ear bangles.  They are a type of
earring - very long -with  all kinds of neat things hanging from them -
stars, moons, stones, etc., that hang OVER the ear so the weight of them doesn't hurt your ear. I did not buy one - one of those cases of not doing
something and kicking myself afterwards.  They were $25.00 - and I saw them
nowhere else.  I seem to remember that the lady selling them had a New York
accent, was fairly short and had blondish hair, and was probably in her late
40s.  The bangle was sold as one, with some sort of earring for the other
ear - I'm not sure exactly what; probably just a plain stud or wire.

My question - is there anyone reading this group who is close to
the wharf or who wouldn't mind checking this out for me and possibly
picking one up for me?  Or, does anyone know of any other place where I
can get one?  I'm here on the conservative East Coast, where they look
at me like I'm crazy when I ask about them.

OR - are there any craftspeople out there who make thise type of jewelry and
know what I'm talking about?  Perhaps some of the vendors at Dead shows
have them?

Another question for any SF heads-
Does anyone know what became of the one man juke box who used to always be
at the far end of the wharf?  I know anyone who visited/lived there in the
late 70s (perhaps earlier, too) must know who I'm talking about - he was
inside a big cardboard or wooden box and you'd put in a quarter and he'd
do all kinds of things such as play the trumpet.  Quite a character; I was
disappointed not to see him this time.

Again, please forgive the lack of dead content, but I didn't know where else
to post this.  (other than alt.california - have gotten no responses)

Thanks in advance.

Stephanie Kearns
AT&T Network Systems
No. Andover, Massachusetts

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From: Emil Petruncio <7039P@navpgs.bitnet>
Subject: Re: Donna
Reply-To: 7039P@navpgs.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:12:18 GMT

For what it's worth:

Back when Keith and Donna left the band, I recall hearing a piece
on Philly's WMMR which quoted Jerry as saying the band was "in a rut",
and that Keith and Donna had been fired due to "differences in opinion
over musical direction".

Emil
From: sax.uoregon (Norma Sax)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: oregon traveling and stuff
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:16:38 GMT
Organization: university of oregon

somebody asked me if the busses going from autzen stadium (eugene) 
to the veneta concert site were going to travel the same route as cars. 
well, i don't know. if i find out i will post an answer. in the meantime,
here's the info in the ad which ran in our local rag last friday, 
the day before tickets went on sale here.

"The concert site is 12 miles west of Eugene on Hwy 126 near 
the communities of Veneta and Elmira. Since this is a rural setting, 
the road access is limited and we urge that all alternative means 
of transport be used ing eting to and from the shows. There will 
be free shuttle busses running from Autzen Stadium's parking lot 
in Eugene beginning at approximately 9 a.m. both Saturday and 
Sunday. You may also use the Autzen parking lot to park and 
carpool to the show. The bus service will also be provided for 
rides back to Eugene after the concert. If you are not on the 
bus, you should carpool to the site with as many people as 
you can. There wil be traffic control people on the roads 
as you near the site; please follow their directions as well as 
those of the event staff in the parking and camping areas.

Oregon, like most of the west, has just experienced the 
worst drought year on record. For this reason there are
NO FILES ALLOWED of any kind. Coleman-type campstoves are 
OK but you must also have a fire extinguisher and shovel on 
hand while cooking. NO BARBEQUES, NO CAMPFIRE, NO OPEN
 FIRES OF ANY KIND! Smoking is allowed only in designated 
areas, not in brush or wooded areas.

TRAFFIC DIRECTIONS:
Coming south on I-5 taking Exit 195 ( Beltline West) and follow Clear 
Lake Road around Fern Ridge Reservoir. Ther ewill be directional signs 
and personnel at major intersections.
Coming from the coast you will see signs at the town of Noti directing 
you to Suttle Road. From there the traffic folks will show you where to park.

AND A NOTE FROM ME:
Please be courteous to our neighbors. We went through hell to have 
this concert here because the local residents objected (can you blame 
them - who wants 80,000 people in their neighborhood?). I know 
networkers wouldn't dream of trespassing - please pass that 
along to your friends who would think about it. AND TAKE 
CARE OF OUR LAND - IT'S VERY PRECIOUS TO US!!!!

Thanks. Norma Sax, secretary of the Oregon Country Fair, site of the 
Third Decadenal Field Trip
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From: mboucher@cortex.prospect.com (Mike Boucher)
Subject: RE: Dead Sighting - Boston Globe
Organization: Cortex Corporation, Waltham, MA, USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:15:39 GMT
X-Posted-From: cortex.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hey there,

On the same day, in the editorial pages, there was a collumn on Bruce
Springsteen, lamenting that he was too old, and rock and roll was about youth,
angst, rebellion, etc.  In the middle of the article, the collumnist says
(not an exact quote)
  One exception is the Greatful Dead, but their music has always been angst
  free anyways...
So, two dead sightings in the same Globe

c'ya

Mike
-- 
Mike Boucher			mboucher@cortex.prospect.com
Cortex Corp			"Don't take life too seriously, you'll never
Waltham, MA, USA		 get out of it alive!"
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: BRIAN.JEFFREY.COOK@um.cc.umich.edu
Subject: help on fall tour...thanks
Reply-To: BRIAN.JEFFREY.COOK@um.cc.umich.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:58:36 GMT

i was wondering if there are any other dates other than
the philly, DC, NYC and BOston dates?
thanks!!!!!
.
bjpc
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Kent Stewart <kstewart@td2cad.intel.com>
Subject: harleydrumz
Reply-To: kstewart@td2cad.intel.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:58:16 GMT

| A friend of mine has a Dead tape on which a motorcycle (presumably
| in the audience) is reved up in a rhythmic pattern resembling
| the claps to Not Fade Away.  The audience picks up this rhythm and
| eventually the Dead play the song.  What show is this and what is the 
| situation behind it? Any thoughts?


Harleys may have appeared more than once during drumz, but one show
I remember for sure was 6/4/78 in Santa Barbara. It was being mic'ed.
It took them a while to get the revs in synch with the rhythm, but 
once they did it sounded pretty cool. They did play NFA out of drumz.

If out of NFA they go into one of those screaming wild GDTRFB's where
you'd swear Jerry's about to lose another finger, your tape is probably
6/4/78.

--bongo

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: in it for the money
Organization: NY home for wayward dats
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:32:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.184827.7952@sunspot.noao.edu>
brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown) writes:
>In article <182749@pyramid.pyramid.com> glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert) writes:

>Hey didn't touch 'em, see! Plus wasn't f*ckin' with just fillin' in
>blanks, what does it do screw your machine?

Yes, some software gets very upset when headers are screwed up.
Messages get dropped on the floor and suchlike.

>But if the DEAD can rank close to the top in the list of top grossers,
>than on the stray occassion the seem to have the money to afford an
>show or two a year in regions other than those that insure mega bucks
>at little cost to them but cost fans being deprived of show yearly
>incomes to make 2000+ mile trips to catch a show, its something like
>showing some appreciation to the folks who keep them going back there
>when they weren't as mega-popular as they are now.

I doubt there's any place in the continental US (outside Alaska) where
the nearest show is 2000+ miles.

>>Those of us west of the Mississippi live in an area that is very SPARSELY
>>populated, and the metropolitan areas are many hundreds of miles apart,
>>separated by considerable geographic bits of diversity (mountains, deserts,
>>canyons) which make egress between the cities far less easy than on the 
>>east coast.  To attempt the frequency of tours they do elsewhere would beat 
>>the roadies to death and, given the fact that many of the 'metro' areas don't 
>>have a big suburban base to draw on means that many of those shows would 
>>simply not be economically viable.
>
>Other bands making far less money mange it?

Other bands don't have 30-50K people following them around.  Lots of
small towns can host other bands in places that seat 5,000 people.
Very few places can (or want to) put up with 40,000 Deadheads.

>Per-xactly they learned where there money is and figure if anyone else
>cares to see them, they will find a way of getting there, thus they
>are contributing to the tour hordes just by neglecting other parts of
>the country.

Someone who's going to travel 2,000+ miles to see the Dead will also
travel much lesser distances.  The person who lives in New Mexico and
flies to NY or SF for 3 shows a year isn't the problem; the people who
drive all over creation are.

>Also I think at that time they were touring "The Wall Of Sound" mega
>stack of speakers, right! So now they don't thus they should have
>a little less freight to haul around, of course they always could
>just do an accoustial show, then all they need is their guitars, and
>a few drums:-)

And be very careful to give no advance notice, and not let any rumors
leak out.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
From: andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Whats going on in S.F. 8/3-13 and Eel?
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:44:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

mitchh@hops.gvg.tek.com (Mitch Hendrickson) writes:
> > I will be in the northern California area on Aug. 3-13 with a couple of
> 
> Umm, how about 3 Jerry shows? :-)  August 6,7,8 @ the Warfield.  See
> 
> -Mitch

Is this a rumor? Huh? (visualize angry net-police)

I seen several different dates for release of Squaw Valley tickets
from several folk (I know who you are) that have been different.
Can the signal/noise ratio on this group be improved?

Do we need to talk about tipper, social security, east vs. west, to
the point past where these discussions could be moved to e-mail.
(learn e-mail, it's the ticket).

I seen also that JGB will be in Tuscon, AZ August 4, Rumor?

You have a license to use this facility, it may be revoked.
You have a license to breath, it may be revoked.

eat spiked fruit and suck boot

-- 

Andrew Rose
andyrose@netcom.com
FAX 4155537756
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Kent Stewart <kstewart@td2cad.intel.com>
Subject: horseshit squared?
Reply-To: kstewart@td2cad.intel.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:57:36 GMT

 
| In article <3293@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
| >In article <1992Jul21.172344.24008@nic.umass.edu> s3583045@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John Greene) writes:
| >>>2)  Why did Donna Godshaux leave the band??
| >>They kicked her out because she couldn't sing (basically)
| >
| >       Oh, horseshit.
| 
| SERIOUSLY!  They asked her to leave...... Sorry wharfie....

| >>  Donna was asked to leave the band so Keith had to go too.
| >
| >       I thought _Keith_ was asked to leave so _Donna_ had to go, too.
| Nope.
| 


Weird. I never used to agree with Wharfie, now I always seem to.
Where's your info coming from, John?  I was at the last concert
with Keith & Donna and I remember when the public announcement was
made shortly afterwards. The wording was that Keith and Donna had 
been asked to leave, and that it was a "strictly musical decision".

I've always thought that the problem was more with Keith than with
Donna. He was really slipping away in that last year and a half and
just didn't seem to care about anything anymore, including playing.
He used to be so inspired, but he ended up just occasionally plunking
a chord or two on a cheesy electric piano while smoking a cigarette.

The acoustic grand he used to play added so much to the band's sound
and co-existed with the guitars beautifully (especially with some of
the fine lines he used to play). The plunked chords on the electric 
was just more noise in the same sonic region as the guitars, cluttering
things up instead of sketching in the ethereal high end. It wasn't the
same.

I do remember reading some Garcia quotes where he was talking about how
the piano had become just another rhythm instrument, stuff they could
do better on the guitars. They were looking for something on keys that
would provide more color and texture. (Like Brent's B3, for example).
Listen to the sounds Brent used throughout 1979 and compare them to
Keith in 1978. Big difference.

It also can't be too much fun to play with someone who has just plain
lost interest.

Donna Jean had a couple of major problems with the dead. One was that
most of the parts were out of her most comfortable range.  I've heard
that another was that she had a lot of problems with hearing herself
in the monitors.

But I don't believe this stuff about Keith having to leave because of
Donna. I believe it was a strictly musical decision that involved both,
but was weighted towards a new direction on keyboards.


--bongo, who still seems to take 200 words to say what
				wharfie says with "oh, horeshit."

  "but maybe a little rain will ease the pain, drown all sorrow"
From: U42753@uicvm.uic.edu (Jack Gallagher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Assembly Required
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:08:43 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I saw an August gig for them on the schedule in either the Club Soda in
Kalamazoo or the Blind Pig in Ann Arbor this past weekend.
Someone who said he knew told me only one guy is still in the band from
the old group that split up last winter.  (Brian Jarvinen, please help
me get my story straight :-) :-)  :-)  )

Jack
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: mark@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Mark Webster)
Subject: Dead Sighting
Followup-To: rec.music.gdead
Originator: mark@morningstar
Keywords: virtual reality
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:30:17 GMT


Grazing through the local bookstore and see a display stand set up for
a book on virtual reality.  I think the book was called Virtual Reality.
Clever.  Anyhow, at the top of the stand was a quote that read (from
memory):
"They outlawed LSD, what are they going to do with this stuff?"
						-Jerry Garcia

Are we going to see Deadheads at concerts with these wild headsets?  They'd
have to start a Virtualhead section at the shows with these plug-in jacks
for your head.

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: andrew@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Andrew Shields)
Subject: Re: Tipper Update
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Distribution: tub
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:12:26 GMT

In <1992Jul24.075420.29061@seas.smu.edu> quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia) writes:

> A right must be earned? It can be revoked? Thats not how the United
> States constitution reads....at all. You must be confusing democracy
> with facism. Convenient, transparent- facism.

What does all this have to do with faces?

Oh, right, fascism...

:-)

Andrew
From: gpotts@hebb.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Nighttime @ Veneta
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:51:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Jul24.175118.10391
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services

In article <1992Jul23.202333.10144@nntp.uoregon.edu>
milewski@oregon.uoregon.edu (Steve Milewski) writes:

>Do the buses get priority getting out of the lot after the show? Also,
>how often will they be running? A bunch of us were discussing the various
>possibilities (biking in, buses, etc.) and figured that if we drove in
>one day, we'd rather sit in our own car listening to tapes than standing
>in line for hours waiting for the public transports (theoretically we're
>all already on the bus, eh?).
>
>Getting out of the '82 Veneta show was a nightmare. A slow crawl out, if
>that! To save gas and pollution we just pushed the car through the lot.
> We were only moving about 6 inches at a a time so it was no big deal!
>
>Thanks for any info you might have. 
>
>Steve
>

I don't have any official info on the bus schedules. They did do a great job
for the country fair -- continuous service. There was about a 30 minute wait
to load on Sat. morning but the buses did have a priority route into the
grounds. And it was a fun trip -- a busload of strangers filled to standing-
room only. I'll bet it'll be a party. Maybe we can make a movie ... 

--geoff
From: mjwagner@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Mike Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: The Horde Tour Request
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:52:23 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

Would someone tell me if the Horde is coming anywhere in Indiana or
a surrounding state?

Thanks in advance.
Mike - mjwagner@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
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