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From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: BODY POSITION and SLEEP PARALYSIS
Date: 30 Dec 92 11:46:30 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Original-Sender: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>
:
:I've heard that this paralysis is merely the astral body in close proximity
:to the physical body.  The closer one's astral body is to the physical
:body, the harder it is to move.  Something to do with getting in and out
:of the body that the astral body is confined to "hold the shape" of the
:physical body.  As you drift or move away from your physical body, you
:become more free to move.
:
:	Kind of hard to explain, but I think you should understand.
:
:	Does anyone have any more ideas on this, or any more help in my
:	explanation?
:
:Steve

I think this paralysis has a simpler, physiological explanation. When
you dream, your motor responses are blocked, so that, 'though you move
in the dreams, quite vigorously, your body is quiet. 

It would appear that oobe and dreaming are closely related, based on
the posts I have seen here and in alt.dreams. IMO, when you access
that particular state of awareness, it will be accompanied by the same
physiology that normally accompanies dreaming. 

But far be it from me to limit myself to the pure physiological
explanation. ;-) 

Supposedly, certain adepts are able to control both their physical and
astral bodies at the same time, i.e., while s/he sits here playing
chatting with you hir astral double is out on an errand. For examples
of this, one could look to Carlos Castaneda's books, or stories of
Tibetan yogis. I'm sure there are other examples as well.

If such is true, maybe the paralysis is just a function not being able
to walk and chew gum at the same time, yet.

			-Lorenzo
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From: garyk@garyk.mentorg.com (Gary Kaminski)
Subject: Re: Answer to "What are OBEs"
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:38:15 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <BzFCIK.7AB@icon.rose.hp.com>, seanm@mothra.rose.hp.com (Sean Miller) writes:
|> : |> STUFF DELETED ................
|> : |>
|> : |> P.S.  There are also local ECKANKAR centers.  The addresses for these can be
|> : |>       found in the white pages under ECKANKAR or yellow pages under religion.
|> : |>Sean Miller
|> : 
|> : If you find ECKANKAR a little too commercial or cult-like, you might find the 
|> : other more to your liking.  From reading Sean's post, there seems to be alot of
|> : common ground between the teachings.  
|> : 
|> :  STUFF DELETED ................
|> : religions, but not enough to ignore teachings that make sense to me.  I especially
|> : shy away from religions and organizations that want money, and lots of it.
|> : garyk (Gary Kaminski)
|>     
|> The purpose of my article was for information purposes only.  The topic of discussion 
|> concerned OBEs and the information on ECKANKAR I provided was simply to 
|> answer the question of how ECKANKAR views OBEs.   I am not trying to persuade
|> anyone to join ECKANKAR.   If someone wants to read a few books on ECKANKAR and
|> leave it that that is OK.  The ECKANKAR books are available at local libraries
|> if one has just a casual interest.
|> 
|>   STUFF DELETED ................
|> Sean Miller

I reread my post and I can see where some might find it a little critical against
ECKANKAR.  I did not view your post as being a "hard sell".  I found your post
informative and I think I took it in the spirit you intended.  I just wanted to
add another point of data for those that might want to do research along the lines
you suggested.  I am not qualified to judge one group or belief against another,
but I did mention some of the things I look for when passing judgement on a
particular group. If someone found one organization more to their liking for
whatever reason, now they have more information to go on. 

I look forward to any more information you have on the OOBE subject that comes
from your experiences and reading.  I also appreciate that fact that you were
just supplying the net with a source of information and not using the net to
"convert" or recruit...
garyk (Gary Kaminski)
From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Joerg Loehn)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: What do I wrong?
Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neuss, Germany
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:54:00 +0100

CHAD%CHEMISTRY.UTAH.EDU@USENET schrieb am 29.12.92 um 16:43:

CU> It sounds like you are well on your way to OOBE, but don't become impatient
CU> or try to force it.  Concentrate on moving more than just your leg, or try
CU> moving different limbs, one at a time.  This may take a while to do, perhaps
CU> weeks, but your body needs to adapt to this new sensation at its own speed.
CU> Don't worry, you are closer than many people ever get to OOBE.
CU> 
CU> Chad

Hi Chad.

Yes, I think the speed of moving during an oobe must be very high. That event
with my leg happened quicker than I would be able to move it physically.
My leg moved very quickly through my blanket and I didn't feel anything
blocking my movement. How can I move on the ground while having an oobe
if there is no barrier? That means I would be able to move through anything.

All the best...
                    Joerg

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From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Joerg Loehn)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: What do I wrong?
Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neuss, Germany
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 22:33:00 +0100

Hi everybody!

Yesterday I tried once again to have an OOBE. Each time when the vibrations
occur I come back to consciousness. Yesterday I could feel my left leg
moving whithout moving my physical leg. That happened while I was still
conscious. Up to now I was not able to leave my body completely but I know
that's possible. So what did I wrong?

All the best...
                      Joerg

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From: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>
Subject: Re: BODY POSITION and SLEEP PARALYSIS
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:18:56 GMT

Original-Sender: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>

On Sun, 27 Dec 1992 OOBE-Relay@gnosys.svle.ma.us wrote:

> Original-Sender: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
>
> In <BzunCu.2o1@newsserver.technet.sg> dbsbanka@solomon.technet.sg
> 	(Teo Pit Koon) writes:
>
> > ...
> > 	For the sake of discussion/arguments, let us consider that there
> > are two types of "paralysis" condition (goodness knows how many more types
> > there may be :-)).
>
> > 	The first type, known as type A paralysis, is a condition encountered
> > when approaching a deeper layer of consciousness from a light trance state,
> > in the performance of magick, OOBE, LD etc.
>
> > 	The second, type B paralysis, is the reverse of type A, in that it
> > happens during the return home to physical reality, assuming, of course,
> > the experient has a physical body to return to in the first place :-)...
>
> Just a note to suggest that discussion of OBE experiences be at least cross-
> posted to the "alt.out-of-body" newsgroup.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Gary

I've heard that this paralysis is merely the astral body in close proximity
to the physical body.  The closer one's astral body is to the physical
body, the harder it is to move.  Something to do with getting in and out
of the body that the astral body is confined to "hold the shape" of the
physical body.  As you drift or move away from your physical body, you
become more free to move.

	Kind of hard to explain, but I think you should understand.

	Does anyone have any more ideas on this, or any more help in my
	explanation?

Steve

Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Sri Chinmoy on OOBE
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:40:48 GMT

Just came upon the following, and thought others might find it interesting:

From: jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern
Subject: Re: Interview With Sri Chinmoy  (part 2/2)
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:17:37 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

INTERVIEW ON "THE OTHER HOUR" WRVR-FM RADIO

[On 3 July 1977 Sri Chinmoy was the guest on "The Other Hour", a radio
program broadcast live in New York on radio station WRVR. Following is
a transcript of the interview.]

...

Donna Halper:

Now we're going to accept calls from our listening audience. Here's
our first call. Good evening. You are on the air. 

Caller:

I am particularly interested in astral projection. I had an experience
three years ago where I left my body. I had just read about this some
time before that, but I didn't do it consciously. It just happened to
me. Since then I have been trying to do it consciously. I would like
to ask Sri Chinmoy if this is safe. Is it a safe thing to go into by
myself?

Donna Halper:

Interesting question. Astral projection, leaving the body. Can people
actually do this?

Sri Chinmoy:

People can do this, but it is advisable to have a teacher who is well
qualified in this adventure. Otherwise, it can be a very dangerous
thing. It is like learning to drive a car. One needs a teacher in the
beginning. If someone tries to learn driving by himself, he is very
likely to have an accident.

Donna Halper:

What can a teacher teach one about leaving the body?

Sri Chinmoy:

Everything can be taught by a qualified teacher. If one can learn a
language from a teacher, if one can learn music, if one can learn to
dance, one can learn this also.

Caller:

I would like to ask the Guru what kind of mental attitude one should 
have in learning to play music...
--
    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: FAQ-First Draft
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:02:53 GMT

I'd like to offer a few adjustments to what Kumar posted recently.

In <93001.143000SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu> Senthil Ramas Kumar
	<SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

> I think, I would like to *strongly* emphasize the point that this is *NOT*
> the FAQ.  Rather, it is only a first draft which shud evole into the FAQ.
> My main purpose was primarily, to get our efforts started, creating the FAQ.

Kumar is one of a number of people working on puting together a FAQ.  As
he stated, what he posted was his own compilation based on articles he
collected from this newsgroup.  However, the form of his draft has not
been reviewed by the people working on the FAQ.  He submitted it to that
group at roughly the same time as he posted it here.  Therefore, we should
see it as his offering to the readers as a suggestion of how we might
begin on an actual FAQ.  If you have comments on that draft, please send
them to the address for the mailing list being used by the FAQ folks:

		obe-faq@gnosys.svle.ma.us

If you would like to be on that mailing list, please send a note to me
(gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us) requesting your name to be included.  Please
specify the "obe-faq" list when you write, since I maintain a number of
other lists.

> I know there are quite a few pple, reading this group, who are quite
> experienced with oobe.  I request all off them, to go thru my previous
> posting, and make changes on their own, or atleast post suggestions to the
> net.

Again, it would probably be best to send suggestions to the obe-faq address,
unless you want to bring up an idea in the public forum.

> Recently Gary has installed a database program called informix, with which
> he hopes that future additions etc, can be done in an automatic way.  I am
> not sure of the exact procedure, but I think, he is still in the process of
> checking out a few things.

What I said is that I would like to think about using Informix to keep track
of bibliographic material.  Perhaps at some point, the database would be
available to anyone by means of an emailed request, and it could be updated
in the same fashion.  I think this development may be down the road a ways,
though.

Gary
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    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:55:22 EST
From: Senthil Ramas Kumar <SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Some wierd experience :)

Well folkx: I just decided to share this happening with u all, in case it
might be of help to anyone.

Nowadays, I can very easily enter this state of semi-paralysis.  say in
about 5 min, of lying on my bed.  Some interesting things have been
happening for the last 6-7 days.

It *seems* to me as if some damn fool, is deliberately poking me in my ribs
:) I know it really sounds wild, but I really react rather violently to it.
Now, in the wakeful state, I dont react so strongly to pokes in the ribs, so
as to speak.  but when ever it happens in that semi-paralysis state, I seem
to almost jump out of my bed.  Something like an involantary action, I
think.

Anyway, this started to happen 6-7 days back, and it has continued to happen
evrynight since then.  The first few days, I was actually a little surprized
and also amused as to what the hell was going on.  One day, I got this lousy
idea in my head that, it must be some entiy doing that :) well, I didnt want
anything to do with it, and was a bit scared, I think.  I then asked my
friend about it, and he said "Oh, it happens to me all the time".  I was
then comforted, atleast, I am not alone in this thing, I thought.  Now, I
dont have any fear, as such, but I still wish, it did not bring in me such a
violent reaction.

the interesting thing, is that, I can, now, even predict when it's gonna
happen, or, even direct it to some place, that I would be more comfortable
in receving the poke.  Its highly possible that I am somehow subconsiously
triggering it myself, but I am not too sure.

My friend, even tell me, that sometime, he will get feeling as if his lungs
were colapsing or as if his head was gonna burst etc.

I just wanted to let u folkx know about this particular phenomena.  One more
thing, I have noticed, for *me*, the vibrations, *alway* start from the tip
of my legs, this happens, if I am dreaming of going on oobe, or if it
happens, so as to speak, in a consious way.

I would appreciate if, if u folkx, could comment a bit on the above, and
also add some of u're experiences, the wierder the better :)

Kumar
From: gbr@access.digex.com (Gary Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Books on OOBE
Date: 23 Dec 1992 22:59:25 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com


Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: pxf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Pranath Fernando)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: OOBE: Some Notes
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:23:47 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham

I've had an OOBE in a nightclub - while concious ! (by the way, I can't spell
well)

Although i HAD had a 'space cookie' before hand (that sort of thing is meant
to make you more relaxed anyway- and therefore eaasier to move out of the
physical body), I don't think It makes this laughable (But you can laugh if you
like, I did...later) !

Anyway, I was a bit worried because my thoughts were being punctuated to the
strobe light (thats the only way to describe it).... then I turned to my friend to
say my head was'nt working well, so i leaned over too her.... and thought 'that's
odd, that's a bit far'. In fact as i leant over i lean't right INTO her, well my 
arm did anyway. As it went through it felt sort of tingly. When i realised this
was REALLY strange, i just sort of turned to look where i was....  and i saw
myself just sitting there.... I was looking at myself...it was so weird... you
never see yourself from that angle normally....i really did start to panic..then
all of a sudden i was back in my body !

This was no dream, it really happened while i was awake.

Well there you go,

My newbie message !

Pierre
--x---
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>
Subject: Re: OOBE: How? Why?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:04:31 GMT

Original-Sender: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>

On Sat, 26 Dec 1992 OOBE-Relay@gnosys.svle.ma.us wrote:

> Original-Sender: acsrdl@UMASSD.EDU
>
> Stephen,
>      Some good questions there.  I won't get into the theological side of
> things, but from an evolutionary standpoint it seems that we have the
> ability because it's useful, because it's an advantage in some way....
>      Of course, that's wide open to attack, the best being "Well, if i4's
> useful then why can't we _all_ do it?  If being able to scout out new
> territory without physical risk is an ability that showed up somewhere
> long ago, then why didn't that particular family/tribe prosper?  (Likewise,
> if one individual or clan could "fetch" fruit or small animals without
> touching them, why didn't they become the dominant gene pool?)
>      I don't know.  The hardest part is to make the explanation satisfy
> the fact that very, very few people can do it well and reliably.... <shrug>
>
> Dave

Not that I'm an expert on OOBEs or anything, but my thoughts lead me to
believe that all of these concepts (what's referred to as "supernatural")
were common to very many people, if not everyone, long ago.  As
"technology" developed--even such things as the wheel--people stopped
using their abilities and started to depend upon the material items,
thereby forgetting after many generations how to use those abilities.
I think it's time to remember...and I think we are.


Steve
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: tvos@ais.org (David A Warner)
Subject: Dec 26th Experience
Summary: Dec 26th Experience
Organization: UMCC
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:58:43 GMT


12/26/1992

	Around 2:00am in the morning, my friend Luis Alonso and I 
tried joint astral-projection at his aunt & uncle's house in Lenardes, 
Nuevo Leon Mexico. Sleeping in separate beds, Luis and I decided to 
experiment by holding hands while falling asleep. 

	By these means, if one was to experience the vibes during 
projection hopefully the other could relate the information 
from a physical point of view back to the other person. Well 
anyways nothing happened to say the least for conscious joint astral 
projection. 

	But later in the morning hours I experienced about 3 
projections which dealt with flying above the clouds and soaring 
into the heavens like a bird. The third projection dealt with space, 
some sort of tunnel with darkness, symbols, letters that produced 
vivid alternating colors of light flashing by me quickly. 

	I'd asked Luis if he experienced anything during our 
experiment that night, Luis said that he had a few flying dreams 
above the clouds which was it for his side of the story. I don't know 
if there was any verification but similarities yes, between flying 
dreams above the clouds does shed a little light but not enough to 
my verification needs.. Oh well, one day I'll break the ice..!!



Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: chad@CHEMISTRY.UTAH.EDU (Chad Smith)
Subject: Re: What do I wrong?
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:43:45 GMT

In article <545.60449@tron.gun.de> locatech@tron.gun.de (Joerg Loehn) writes:

>Hi everybody!

>Yesterday I tried once again to have an OOBE. Each time when the vibrations
>occur I come back to consciousness. Yesterday I could feel my left leg
>moving whithout moving my physical leg. That happened while I was still
>conscious. Up to now I was not able to leave my body completely but I know
>that's possible. So what did I wrong?

>All the best...
>                      Joerg

>-- 
>* Origin : PGP 2.0 public key available upon request.

>// THE_DOT V2.05b DEMO //

It sounds like you are well on your way to OOBE, but don't become impatient
or try to force it.  Concentrate on moving more than just your leg, or try
moving different limbs, one at a time.  This may take a while to do, perhaps
weeks, but your body needs to adapt to this new sensation at its own speed.
Don't worry, you are closer than many people ever get to OOBE.

Chad
From: gbr@access.digex.com (Gary Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Books on out-of-body
Date: 25 Dec 1992 01:45:34 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

Can someone be so kind in recommending a few good books on the subject
of OOBE. Reading this conference, I got very interested in OOBE and
would like to learn more. Thanks 
gary
gbr@access.digex.com
From: gbr@access.digex.com (Gary Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Books on OOBE
Date: 23 Dec 1992 22:48:34 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com


Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: acsrdl@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: OOBE: How? Why?
Reply-To: acsrdl@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 05:25:02 GMT

Stephen,
     Some good questions there.  I won't get into the theological side of
things, but from an evolutionary standpoint it seems that we have the
ability because it's useful, because it's an advantage in some way....
     Of course, that's wide open to attack, the best being "Well, if i4's
useful then why can't we _all_ do it?  If being able to scout out new
territory without physical risk is an ability that showed up somewhere
long ago, then why didn't that particular family/tribe prosper?  (Likewise,
if one individual or clan could "fetch" fruit or small animals without
touching them, why didn't they become the dominant gene pool?)
     I don't know.  The hardest part is to make the explanation satisfy
the fact that very, very few people can do it well and reliably.... <shrug>

Dave
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:30:00 EST
From: Senthil Ramas Kumar <SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: FAQ-First Draft

I think, I would like to *strongly* emphasize the point that this is *NOT*
the FAQ.  Rather, it is only a first draft which shud evole into the FAQ.
My main purpose was primarily, to get our efforts started, creating the FAQ.

I know there are quite a few pple, reading this group, who are quite
experienced with oobe.  I request all off them, to go thru my previous
posting, and make changes on their own, or atleast post suggestions to the
net.

Recently Gary has installed a database program called informix, with which
he hopes that future additions etc, can be done in an automatic way.  I am
not sure of the exact procedure, but I think, he is still in the process of
checking out a few things.

Once again, for those pple, interested in working on the FAQ, Gary has
created a mailing list.  Pl.  contact him, if u need any furhter help, in
joining the mailing list.

Kumar
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body