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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Chinese Students from the Upper Class (Was: Re: Political Power (Re: New Topics))
Keywords: underdog
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:45:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <1992Dec17.170153.22557@hspice.portal.com> georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:
>>[ . . . ] many of them or their parents used the grad. school route to
>>enter the USA; they are part of the Chinese-ge immigration that comes
>>exclusively from the Chinese-cu upper class.
>
>     Bzzt.  Thank you for playing, now if you'll just follow Mary backstage
>she'll show you your consolation prize.
>
>     My father comes from a poor family and used the graduate system to make
>a better living.
>
>								George

Well both my parents came from "Black five families"
And my parents did use the grad. school route to enter the USA

NW
----
NOT Danielle Wei
From: ST701852@brownvm.brown.edu (Carole E Mah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: AAM are "geeks" ??
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:09:42 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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Defenso says:
>In the gay community, many guys place a premium on masculinity when
>looking for a date or becoming dating material. The result: there are alot of
>gay men who take more pride in their physical appearance (too much so at times
>than many straight guys.

   Funny, but I have to disagree with you on this one.
I have a similar view -- most of the gay men I know also spend a load
more time in the gym than most of the straight guys I know. However,
at least at the gym where I work out, there are way more straight
Asian-American guys working out than there are gay asian guys.
  I used to think all my gay & lesbian Asian-Am. friends (myself included)
all spent more time in the gym than straight Asian-Am. people we know.
But then most of them graduated and the new generation of Asian-Am.
lesbians and gay men seem to be a bit more sedentary.
(But it might also be diff. for gay men than for lesbians:
I don't think you guys have a role model like we have! --Kitty Tsui!!
Talk about the ultimate pretty yet built Asian-Am. dyke. oh, my!)
  Likewise I used to know ZERO straight asian guys who had nice
bodies ... they were all very geeky and etc. etc. But then THEY
graduated and the crowd is now pretty MIXED between ppl who fit one
or another (or neither or both) "geek" and "jock" stereotypes.
  Or maybe, Defenso, maybe you have had a broader experience of
the world than I: that is: the World outside of academia.
******MAYBE COLLEGE STUDENTS aren't a very valid statistical sampling of***
******the population as a whole, whether you are talking about race, gender,***
******sexual orientation, nerd, class, or ANY stereotype.***
You could be right.
 ( Anyway, the stereotypes "geek" and "jock" are pretty silly,
as I am sure you would agree.)
Carole
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st701852@brownvm.brown.edu
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From: cogsdell@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (tony c)
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re: OFWM....)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:40:57 GMT

In article <berthiau.724015487@iros1> you write:
>As for my parents, they don't mind us girls dating Caucasian 

>men as long as we don't date African-American men (don't ask me
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>why) and that my brother find himself a nice Chinese girl.  Of

Could this have somthing to do with (RACEism) in America?

...Because black men were slaves to white men?

...Because black men have less opportunites to obtain wealth in Amerikkka? 


Suggestions?          


Thanks!                                  Tony L. Cogdell
From: amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Looking for articles on the 1992 L.A. Riots
Date: 20 Dec 1992 16:01:59 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Is there an FTP site where I can get at the Spring/Summer
archives for soc.culture.asian.american?

I'd especially like to find material exploring the roots
of the African-American/Korean dispute, and what steps
could be taken to reduce future tensions.

Thanks,

Alex Miller
amiller@almaden.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: Inter-racial dating
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:49:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.142812.6428@almserv.uucp> g9utxu@fnma.COM writes:
>In article 1gbblpINN11a@cat.cis.Brown.EDU, ST701852@brownvm.brown.edu (Carole E. Mah) writes:
>>  [stuffs about Carole's datiing both men/women deleted}

>Please do not take this post offensively but I'm just curious about your gender.
>You seem to be dating both gender ??? For instant, "I've only dated one asian man. 
>I've also dated a Hispanic woman. Similarly, one Caucasian guy I dated...Similarly, 
>one Caucasian woman I dated..." It may be my ignorance for the abbreviations of 
>"ppl" that is causing this curiosity.
>

Hmm I wonder why I missed this article.  The news feeder must be acting
strange lately for  I would get the follw-ups before the originals.  Any
way I have been wondering about this myself -- No not about Carole but 
about my own sexuality --- bisexuality if you want the label.  There has
always existed some elements of *genderless* eroticism in my sexual
experiences/fantasies.  As to this regard, the *physical* sex of my
partner is not really that revalent.  I guess we are living in such a
orthodox society that a lot of people do concern a great deal about the
"manhood" and "womanhood" of their partners.  Society creates rigid
gender roles that we tend to follow.  People therefore arrange their
sexual activities accordingly.  That is man fucks woman and that is it.
Any ambiguity (ex: bisexuality) in sexual behaviors will not be well
accepted.  I am not asking you to accept bisexuality, hey you don't have
to.  I am writing this mainly to share my own experiences.  I would not
be honest about my own sexuality if I just tell you that I am straight.
For I do believe and feel that I have the *potential* to experience
homoeroticism.  Unlike Carole, I don't have much same-sexual
experiences.  Nevertherless I certainly *feel* bisexual.  I guess
bisexuality is not really who you fuck or have fucked, it is also how
you feel, sexually speaking (any comments Carole?).  Perhap I will
decide to *explore* more about the homosexual side of myself.  Whatever
happens in the future, I'll certainly not call myself straight.

Dan

PS:  This has taken a lot of courage from me to write.  Some of you
probably will have a different attitude about me but one thing I wanna
say is I am still the same old Dan.  It's Xmas and it is the season to
be honest about anything including my sexuality.  I don't know why I am
such a optimist cos I can sense a lot of conservative Chinese_cu out
there sending flames this way.  Oh what the heck, hate mails are welcome
just make sure you send them before Xmas so I can be entertained.
Oh E-hugs are also welcome from anyone, male or female.

--
|       Daniel Lam  danl@comm.mot.com  Chicago, Il, USA        |  
|         ....  Merry Xmas, Don't drink and spike  ....        |
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From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Kristi Yamaguchi
Date: 20 Dec 92 14:34:54 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu (Michael F. Kamprath) writes:

>In article <14980@cis.rand.org> Cary Ho, caryho@cis.rand.org writes:
>>  Hi people, I've been a reader of this group for sometime but never
>>  posted before.  I remember awhile back there was some talk about
>>  Kristi Yamaguchi not being asian enough so I just have to share this
>>  with you when I saw this ad in the L.A. Times today 12/19/92.  This
>>  ad depicts a picture of K.Y. in a pair of color contacts that is not so,
>>  shall I say, asian-ge.  The caption says, and I quote:
>>
>>   "When I want a little change I go green, violet or gray.  DuraSoft Colors
>>    can change your eye color in a wink of an eye even if you don't need
>>    visual correction.  With 18 shades ranging from subtle to dramatic,
>>    you'll find DuraSoft Colors that are right for you."
>>
>>  I don't know whether to laugh or feel sad or happy that K.Y. is making
>>  money from this ad.   Just something for you all to ponder.
>>

>It makes me sad because I  have always wondered what I'd look like with brown eyes,
>but no one has ever offered to pay me to find out.  But I guess it wouldn't
>be proper for a "blue eyed"-ge  to walk around looking like a "green eyed"-ge.
>I mean, imagine the what people might say 8^O 

It is not important what people might think but it is important
on what you think of yourself as a "green-eyed"-ge.
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ST701852@brownvm.brown.edu (Carole E. Mah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Inter-racial dating
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:27:17 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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This is another test posting. The first one did not go through.

I am another lurking AAF. Since ppl asked for input from
AAF, the question being, whom do you date, and why -- here goes.

Several ppl have made the point that saying "i don't care if he
is green" is a cop-out, and that they would rather have ppl
be honest and admit their racism, self-hatred, etc. I agree!
However, I think there are OTHER factors. For instance.
  I've only dated one asian man. I DID find him attractive,
and partly it WAS because of his race. But I have also dated
causcasian men, mostly Jewish, god knows why.  I've also dated
a Hispanic woman. I've also dated several caucasian women.
Race HAS played a part in why I dated these people....
BUT as to why I dated THEM and DIDNT date others.
  There is one factor people havent acknowledged very much, and that
factor is CLASS. yes, there is such a thing in this country!
  One Asian guy asked me out once but I couldn't imagine going
out with him because he was everything I am not, in terms of
class.  He is from a recently immigrated from Taiwan family,
part of the upper-upper middle class on the west coast,
and also very into the "I want to join Corporate America"
attitude that infects so many ivy league schools.
  Similarly, one Caucasian guy I dated for a while also
could not understand why I never had time to go places
EVERY weekend with him -- he didnt understand how
impt. it was to WORK. He isn't going to have to pay
loans back for the next decade.
  Similarly, one Caucasian woman I dated. She got
handouts from her father and never did a snitch of work
in her life and always insisted we eat out at
restaurants and that we split the cost. yeah, right.
  Now I am seeing a very wonderful caucasian woman
who works a zillion hours to pay her way through grad
school, and who, like me, grew up in a lower-lower-middle
class family in the midwest.
   I am not saying that class is more impt. than other
factors. Only that ppl should also take it into account.
Carole
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carole elaine mah
st701852@brownvm.bitnet
st701852@brownvm.brown.edu
Carole_Mah@brown.edu
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From: puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU (Angel Puerta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Political Power (Re: New Topics)
Date: 12 Dec 1992 10:46:48 GMT
Organization: Stanford University School of Medicine
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: camis.stanford.edu

In article <1992Dec12.081551.23739@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>Please note that the Japanese-Americans should _ask_, not _demand_, that
>President-elect Clinton _consider_ selecting a Japanese-American [for
> National Science Advisor] 
> The extreme over-representation of Oriental-Americans in the sciences and
>engineering justifies the appropriateness of this request. 

There is no "over-representation" of Oriental-Americans in the sciences.
If anything, it is amazing that out of the great (relatively) numbers
of Oriental-Americans in US Colleges at the undergraduate level so few
(relatively) reach scientific posts after College.

>
>I am sure that there are a number of qualified Japanese-Americans who
>could serve well as National Science Advisor.  President-elect Clinton
>is now in the process of constructing his new cabinet and is probably
>collecting names for the  "short" list of potential nominees.

You may know a lot about -cu and -ge 20th century philosophy but you
need a course in politics. A face from a competing economic power
in a National Science Advisory position? It'll be a cold day in
hell before that happens or Clinton has no perspective on symbolism,
which I very much doubt.

-- 
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: masahiro@tgevax.life.uiuc.edu (Masahiro Kono)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:53:13 GMT

gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:

>In article <1gl8udINNos6@male.EBay.Sun.COM> (defensio libertatis) writes:

>>Can anyone remember a "good guy" asian male in the movies or TV?
>>I can think of "Sam the Coroner's Asst." in "Quincy" and 

>	...which, as many folks know is the wrong way around; QUINCY was
>borrowed freely from Thomas Noguchi, Coroner to the stars...

>>of course "Mr. Sulu" in the old Star Trek.

>	Jack Soo on BARNEY MILLER. Dennis Dun and his character on NIGHT CALLE.
>Denise Kumagi's role on NIGHT COURT. Then, of course, Maggie Han has the
>franchise on smartass Asian Babes.

How 'bout Pat Morita (Arnold on Happy Days and Academy Award nominee for
his role in the Karate Kid, and short-lived series named something like
Mr. T and Tina and Ohara)?  Then there's the Japanese cop who befriends
Michael Douglas then gets killed in Black Rain; he was also the legendary
baseball player-turned manager in Mr. Baseball.  For a pretty crude
depiction, yet "good guy Asian male" there's the POW in McHale's Navy.

-Masahiro Kono (m-kono@uiuc.edu) 
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From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
Subject: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 11:46:41 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

As another example of how incredibly ignorant even the best experts
in the field can be, William Haseltine, cheif of the the division of
human retrovirology at Harvard U's Dana-Farber Cancer Institute expects
that HIV could infect over 1 billion people over the next century, he
told a Senate hearing. Now wait just one minute. That's one in 5, or a
20% rate out of a world of 5 billion people. Now you look at your SanFrancisc
HIV seroprevalence survey, and the only groups of people with HIV rates
that high are gays in STD clinics, IV drug users, or both. Even Uganda,
with the highest HIV rate of any nation in the world is nowhere near
20%, and neither is San Francisco. When you factor in that well over
half of the world lives in Asia, East Europe, or the Middle East where HIV
is largely nonexistent outside of a few pockets, and this figure should
obviously impossible to anyone with half an open mind. He also says 85
percent of world infections are heterosexual, a number which has absolutely
no relavence to the epidemic as we know it in the US where non-IV het
AIDS is almost non-existent.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: davec@ECE.Concordia.CA (Dave Chu)
Subject: Update on fatal beating of Luyen Phan Nguyen 
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:59:17 GMT

The following is just a summary of an article about the fatal beating
of Luyen Phan Nguyen that happened this summer in Fort Lauderdale.  I
though some people might be interested in the outcome of the trial.

"Broward County circuit judge has ordered 19-year-old Bradley Mills to
serve 50 YEARS in prison for sparking the fatal beating of Luyen Phan
Nguyen.  Mills was convicted of second degree murder in October and 
was stunned at the sentence.  He lurched forward in his chair and said
"you might as well send me to the electric chair" after hearing the
sentence."

Dave
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Keywords: Asian-Americans
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:41:05 GMT

In article <BzEMs9.Kxv@cs.uiuc.edu> wong@cs.uiuc.edu (Angeline) writes:
>	Ha ha!  It is kind of strange, isn't it?  I think it contributes to 
>the fact that asians[-ge] (specifically parents), place a strong emphasis
>	on technical subjects, like math, physics, etc.  And speaking of
>	Hong Kong people specifically, I find a lot of them are business
>	(accounting) majors.

I wish that Ms. Wong would not lump Japanese-Americans and Korean-Americans
into the same group as Chinese-Americans.

In this year's election 5 Japanese-Americans and 1 Korean-American were
elected to Congress.  Apparently these groups care about activities outside
of that mentioned by Ms. Wong.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:10848 ca.politics:10359 soc.motss:52514
From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
Subject: More heads in the sand (was: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Date: 16 Dec 1992 00:35:58 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

In article <71735@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>As another example of how incredibly ignorant even the best experts
>in the field can be, William Haseltine, cheif of the the division of
>human retrovirology at Harvard U's Dana-Farber Cancer Institute expects
>that HIV could infect over 1 billion people over the next century, he
>told a Senate hearing. Now wait just one minute.

So where is your information that discounts or disproves this conjecture.
Also, keep in mind that there will be more than 5 billion people in one
hundred years.

We seem to always follow courses that are 'wait until it happens' rather
than taking and sustaining preventative measures.  Sex education, as
safe as possible sexual activity, are the types of behavior changes that
will keep people safe from infection for this particular viral strain.

>obviously impossible to anyone with half an open mind. He also says 85
>percent of world infections are heterosexual, a number which has absolutely
>no relavence to the epidemic as we know it in the US where non-IV het
>AIDS is almost non-existent.

Well the biggest problem and possible disastrous situation is that we
cannot know how many people actually carry the virus- since a small
portion of people in the world are tested, and with the extremely long
period of manifestation of the infection, it could very be that there
are 10 times as many people infected than we think or half of what we
think.  

The main point is- get your head out of the sand.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: chu@mtl.mit.edu
Subject: Re: police harrassment
Reply-To: chu@mtl.mit.edu
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:45:18 GMT

In article <1gldq5INNfm3@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST701852@brownvm.brown.edu (Carole  
E Mah) writes:

            [...]

> I've hung around MIT a bit in the past few years and would
> agree it feels really safe.  But look at Cambridge, it's
> a fairly gentrified area.  Whereas,look at BU. It is in the city
> proper.  The police, with their stereotypes about
> poor urban ethnic minorities, are going to be jerks when
> they think they are in a high-crime area, whether or not it
> actually is one.  Providence is not Cambridge.
> Brown is not Harvard.

            [...]

I'm not sure when you were last in Cambridge, but I would hardly
consider it a "gentrified area."  Perhaps the area around Harvard
could be considered that, but the area around MIT is mostly 
warehouses, computer start-ups, and working-class homes.  Recently,
an MIT student was stabbed to death outside the library by a 
group of local youths.  There have also been a number of robbings
and muggings in the last few months.  In general, I don't feel all
that safe walking around campus at night, and I wish the campus
police would do more harassing rather than less.  I'd rather be
harassed by police than have them be lax, allowing random people
off the street to roam the campus on their wilding sprees.

                                     -- Bill

--
Bill Chu                         chu@mtl.mit.edu
MIT Submicron Structures Lab     (NeXT mail welcome)
From: babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: chopsticks vs forks
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:20:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


sorry for posting useless talk on here 
during final exams ( I'm finished  btw )

Why did Asia devlope the chopsticks while Europe devloped the fork ?

- jon
From: cmc@cs.utexas.edu (Chi Ming Cheung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:10:01 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: grit.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: Asian-Americans

In article <berthiau.724358901@iros1> berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca (Eva Chan) Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan) writes:
	[stuff deleted]
>on campus).  My mother says that they are usually the sons of rich
>HK families who come to the US to study and to find an "American"
>girl to make his wife and to stay in the US.  Now I am not saying that 
>I entirely believe this, but can someone shed some light on this?
	[stuff deleted]
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Many of the HK people I know who have been here for some time, long to return
to HK.  Yes, they rather take their chances with the communist in 1997
(or sooner).  Perhaps your mother was refering to the HK people who
just got off the plane.

--M.
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