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From: GLADSTONE@CSMCMVAX.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Alpine Valley, halfway twixt heavn and hell
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:51:09 GMT
Reply-To: GLADSTONE@CSMCMVAX.BITNET
Organization: The Internet


        Sitting in a traffic jam for hours on a 1 horse road in the heat,
counting cornstalks for kix.  I heard 1 year, they blocked off the road
and were turning everyone away, TICKET or NOT!   I wasn't there that year,
so this may not be true.  Once you get there, the lush countryside
was heaven.  Trucks loaded with ice, etc kept the cool.  Inside was
a very nice, with plenty of sound and space.
        On the way out, welcome back to hell.  We were headed to Akkhron,
and every cop who could drive was in a feeding frenzy, snagging as many
of them wierdos they could.  They ran out of cops just after pulling over
some friends in a caravan ahead of us, so we lucked out, sort of.
We pulled over about 1/2 mile behind them and I walked into a little
farmer type bar to make friends and influence people.  BIG mistake.
After asking about the drought, the corn, etc, a 300+ pound farmer with a
red face, squat nose like a pig's, walked outside to return with his
12 guage shotgun.  They were a little less afraid of me and after about
a minute of smalltalk, I decided to depart and take my buisness elsewhere.
My OL watched in horror from the van outside as the porker with the
shotgun came in, sure that I had done something really stupid.
        Another nightmare venue was at the Great Western Forum in Inglewood.
We had to drive through some of LA's worst turf to get there.  That was the
night that the unfortunate student from UCSB was murdered by the LAPD.
The report from the investigation said basically that this person was so
high that he was a danger to himself, so the police were 'forced to
strangle and beat him to death.  We are very peaceful people, don't
eat meat, etc.  But I had a very bad feeling about this one, so we decided
just this once to bring an AK47 clone along for the ride.  Never before,
and never since then have we done such a thing.  And never again will
we return to sing the 'Minglewood blues.
Joe Lone Wolf Gladstone>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: ID SHOW PLEASE!!
From: <MAH76X@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:54:37 EDT
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <1992Oct9.133503.9607@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>, "John A. Trucillo"
<trucillo@icarus.montclair.edu> says:
>
>I have a filler on a tape that goes...
>Dark Star
>She's An Artist

Is "She's An Artist" actually the song "She Belongs to me"?  It contains that  k
line.  It seems weird that those two songs would follow one another.  Thinking
back of times when both songs were played, the show which comes to mind is
RFK '73.  But I'm not 100% sure if both tunes were played, much less in order. t

Joe Doheny
From: sjeck@isi.com (Steve -- The Other One)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Digital Compact Cassette
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:25:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Oct15.212521.26947
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet


the real question is going to be, how are the DCC people
going to get any software?  what self-respecting DAT-Head
would step down to DCC or Mini-Disk?

Steve-TOO
From: jonnyk@pacifix.cs.uoregon.edu (Jonathan Dennis Kirshbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Dead Citing by Ross Perot
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:24:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Oct12.202456.25604
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Oct12.140635.10119@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> SCOTH@wmvm1.cc.wm.edu writes:
>During last night's Presidential Debate, in response to a question about
>racial tension in the country, Ross Perot answered (in part) "There's
>no time to hate" (cf. Uncle John's Band).  Think he's one of us?  I guess
>we really are everywhere!
>
>:)

Ahhhh, such wishful thinking...  My impression from last night
was that all three candidates categorically rejected any 
consideration of drug legalization, and all intend to up the
$$ spent on enforcement.  Clinton's views were disheartening
(I was planning to vote for him, but boot camps!!?), Perot
is a fascist and Bush, well is Bush.  Ouch!

Jon

ODC: We may be everywhere, but it sure seems that our 
everywheres are never the ones that could do this
country some good...
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: Enuff flames (Re: DiamondBack mtg)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:38:32 GMT

I like the Dead because of their music as well as the Deadhead scene
where there is a positive  attitude and folks don't have to feel 
self-consious about who they are and what they like -- all that's needed is a
a love of the Dead, their music, and who and what they stand for.  
rec.music.gdead should be reserved for discussions of these sorts of 
topics and not to mock  or review Neil and his fans or other negative attiudes 
that are especially non-Dead related.  To be sure, people should accept they 
might get flamed for what they write; however, I think the attitude 
towards Neil fans have been outright un-Dead-like.  Basically, I'm not so 
much standing up for Neil (as I'm not exactly his biggest fan) BUT  because
I'm tired of seeing some get flamed by others in a group that has a 
reputation for being cool and and accepting. I basically view this newsgroup
as a virtual Dead scene I hope that the vast majority of others do as well. 

I love the Dead and happen to like some of Neil as well.  And I would like
to think that an attitude of the Deadheads is acceptance. In other words
the Neil Jokes kinda remind me of those tasteless Scotch-Irish (or other ethnic)
jokes and I especially think the Deadheads are above such.  I can handle
a few in jest but really this is a bit much and kinda low for our newsgroup. 
What's more these Diamondback "jokes" -- which are getting kind of old and 
cheap like "your mother" jokes" -- have gotten to the point where they're no
longer in the spirit of the Dead.
From: bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Greek Bashing
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:32:09 GMT
Organization: Stanford University


What's all this about Greek bashing? Why would someone
hate the Greek? My God, doesn't anyone remember 7-13-84?
Or what about 6-14-85 when they opened the second set with
Morning Dew? The Greeks were always my favorite runs of the
year! What are you, sour grapes or something?

Rosanna-dannaisms aside, I've seena lot of fraternities
in action at Stanford and other places, and my experience
is that a lot of crap goes down there and that having a bunch of
young boys/men live together at an age when they should be learning
to think of both men and women as people first is probably
not healthy. At this point I often hear members talk about how they
have blood drives and stuff that serve the community. I still think
they're weird places. But that doesn't mean people should be judged
simply because of living arrangements. I'm sure plenty of
people have positive experiences there and most members probably don't
deface posters in black dorms with racist graffiti or have
mock KKK meetings or assault women at parties. Still, all of these
things have happened at Stanford. A lot of fraternities have a lot
of problems, I'd say more than other living groups. But again, if I
meet someone who's in a fraternity, I'd be an  idiot to do anything but
take him at face value rather than as a generic fratboy. I dislike the
idea of all-male fraternities but a person is a person first, not
a man, woman, fraternity member or deadhead.

And my God! They even broke out Watchtower at the Greeks in
'87! What's the matter with you people? :-)

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: John Schulien   <U21187@uicvm.bitnet>
Subject: Re: The Dead's aliases
Reply-To: U21187@uicvm.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:39:57 GMT

andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com writes:
|
|         These are some of the names I've heard that the Dead use when signing
| into hotels:   Bob: Chuck E. Cheese
|                Lesh:  Les Philling
|                Vince: I.B. Smokin
|                Biily: Dick Johnson
|                Hart:  M.R. Spock
|                Garcia: August West

I'm amazed & amused that these were posted. If this info is accurate,
of course, then the boyz are going to have to change their "passwords"!

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Frank Caherty <caherty@wizard.nrl.navy.mil>
Subject: Re:  Splitting D-F and r.m.gd
Reply-To: caherty@wizard.nrl.navy.mil
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:31:22 GMT

Geoff> The votes were:          NO         YES
Geoff>                          5          11

Geoff> Make that:  NO=5   YES=12

Lara> actually, i would make that NO=6

 I think I'm one of the 5 (oops 6) NO votes, but if not,
 make me the 7th.  I am a D-F subscriber (thanks again Marc)
 and have been for about 6 years.  I don't dig all the Neil
 Diamond "jokes", and I disagree with a _lot_ of the politics
 but I'm willing to wade (sorry, mr. williams) through a fair
 ammount of that to get to the goodies that lie hidden behind
 the banner Dead-Flames-Digest.  Actually I just page down 
 through the stuff, or use the editor to scan for the next
 occurrance of "------------------------------", the article 
 delimiter.  Or whatever you comp jox call it.  

 That being said, I do think that all the Diamond jokes fall under
 the category inverse geometric progressions: the first one posted
 showed the poster to be a wit, the next one a 1/2 wit, etc etc...
 The funniest being "You are the fork, I am the spoon, eat me."

Regards,
Frank.

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Jeff Lester <lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com>
Subject: FYI - Old NYE Info
Reply-To: lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:17:54 GMT

These are the hotline and mail-order dates for the last couple of 
New Years' runs.

   Show Dates                        On Hotline       First Mail In
   December 28, 29, 31, 1988         October 31st     November 3rd
   December 27, 28, 30, 31, 1989     October 27th     November 1st
   December 27, 28, 30, 31, 1990     October 17th     October 22nd
   December 27, 28, 30, 31, 1991     October 25th     October 29th

-Jeff Lester
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: ashton@stolaf.edu
Subject: Neil
Reply-To: ashton@stolaf.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:15:28 GMT

        So I guess you could say that Dead-Flames is getting Neilist. 
Frankly, Neilism isn't my philosophical cup of tea.  
|:-) ;-) :-< :-> >:-) :-o >:-o :-( >:-( :-[ :-{ :-/ :-\ :-) }:-( :-{) :-) 
 William Ashton, Ph.D.,	Department of Psychology, St Olaf College
 	 ASHTON@STOLAF.EDU; (507) 646-3169; Fax (507) 646-3523
  	Box 1531, St Olaf College, Northfield, Mn 55057  
 	      	"College is short; study hard." 
|:-) ;-) :-< :-> >:-) :-o >:-o :-( >:-( :-[ :-{ :-/ :-\ :-) }:-( :-{) :-)
From: burnett@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gary Burnett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: First Grandmother on Sex
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:50:27 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Oct8.162644.24451@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> sjeck@isi.com (Steve -- The Other One) writes:

> On TV's "Larry King Live" when asked whether her
> previously stated view that abortion shouldn't 
> be a matter of public debate conflicts with her
> husband's anti-abortion position, Barbara Bush said:

> "I think the issue is that we ought to tell children
> that  SEX IS -- IS DEATH.  Promiscuous sex is death.
> They shouldn't be doing that."
> ------------------

> How many people are old enought to remember your 
> parents  telling you this in the late 1960's and
> early 1970's?

I'm old enough to remember this, if only my parents had ever said 
anything at all about sex.  Or drugs, for that matter.  They didn't
much like rock & roll, though, & they nearly died when I bought
the Woodstock compilation LP & they heard David Crosby say "we're
scared shitless ...."  They didn't take it away from me, but they
did tell me never to play it again.

I had to learn that about the wages of sex all by my self.  Well,
not quite.  I did have a little help :-)

--Gary B.

ormgdc:  I can see the flames now -- "This isn't alt.sex!  Why are
we talking about this?  The next thing you know we'll have to read
post about how Neil Diamond writes songs about sex!"
-- 
Gary Burnett                             burnett@gandalf.rutgers.edu 
130 Columbia Street                      gburnett@zodiac.rutgers.edu   
Highland Park, NJ  08904                          jera@well.sf.ca.us

"Things then did not delay in turning curious."  --Thomas Pynchon
From: ADJS@nmumus.bitnet (ADJS000)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: first encounters
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:41:11 GMT
Reply-To: ADJS@nmumus.bitnet
Organization: The Internet

AAAAA-CHOOOO MY HEAD HURTS wanted to start a thread on `first
encounters' or something like that....
My older brother returned home from SUNY/Oneonta. We didn't recognize
him... he'd had a great freshman year (1970).
Under one arm he carried an un-cased 1937 (?...but pretty sure) Martin,
and under the other Workingman's Dead. Hell, when he'd left home in
August, he didn't even know what a guitar was!
Anyway, one listen convinced me. My Mom took a look at his hair and said
if he cut it, she'd stop smoking cigs. Good deal... so my bro went
upstairs and butchered his head --came downstairs looking like A burn
victim. My mom started smoking a pipe.
Jim S.
Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead,cmu.cs.music
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:12:53 -0400 
From: Lisa Laverne Vaughan <lv0e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Dylan/Marley Lyrics Wanted

Can anyone send me lyrics (chords too if you have them)
for the following 3 tunes:  I checked the
ftp lyrics server and they weren't there.

1) Knockin' on Heaven's Door
2) Bob Marley: I don't Want to wait in vain for your love 
3) Bob Marley: (not sure of this title) "Feel the Spririts" or maybe it's 
                                        "Pass It On"

thankx in  advance... lisa

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: loose@quake.sylmar.ca.us (loose_connection)
Subject: Catalog is on its way to you!!!
Organization: Quake Public Access, Sylmar CA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:15:29 GMT

It's finally done and in the mail.  If anyone who asked for one, or
who should receive a sticker too, and doesn't, let me know...it's hell
keeping all of this together.

The catalog is more of a flyer, than a catalog ( since most of what I've
got can be crammed onto one page, and thus mailed more cheaply)...but
anyway let me know what you think when you get it.

Thanks again.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: DDK8938@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: the net
Reply-To: DDK8938@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:47:42 GMT

Hi...

	I heard you have a really hip conference going.  Please add me to your mailing list.  Thanks alot dude.

Dave k.
From: gt0021c@prism.gatech.EDU (Chris Edward Perkins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Dead Citing
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:44:44 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Atlanta Constitution
October 14, 1992

Spin to Win

The Gore campaign, faced with high expectations in the debate,
lampooned the art of "spinning," the time-honored exercise of
candidate handlers trying to persuade reporters that their candidate
did better or worse than he or she really did.  The Gore "Ultimate
Spin-o-Meter" let reporters spin an arrow on a dial-shaped piece of
cardboard that offered various reasons why Mr. Gore might not do as
well as expected.  "No E's in Indiana.  Tennessee has four," was one
reason.  Or, "Can't concentrate with Grateful Dead music from Tipper's
seat," referring to his wife's campaign against suggestive rock
lyrics.

==================================================================
OK.  So they got the reason wrong, confusing Tipper's earlier
professions of a fondness for the Dead and Europe '72 with her tirade
against rock and roll several years ago.  And they obviously haven't a
clue as to what the Dead are about if they think they have "suggestive
lyrics."  But the point here is that Al Gore has a grate (sic) sense
of humor, not to mention a lot more composure, manners, and maturity
than that petulant, obnoxious, childish SOB on the other side of the
stage last night.


-- 
Chris Perkins, Georgia Institute of Technology, MSM 1993 (?)
uucp: who cares?         Internet: gt0021c@prism.gatech.edu
'I was blind all the time I was learning to see'
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Alan Sodoma <ajs@jloda.cci.com>
Subject: a couple things 
Reply-To: ajs@jloda.cci.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:42:29 GMT

In article <Oct.8.15.46.24.1992.25354@clam.rutgers.edu> you write:
|
|Hmmmmm. I got to thinking, since the boys had all this time off,
|I think there is a pretty good chance that they will be bringing
|back some jems. Boy, what I would give to be at a rehresal
|in November.

* In that Day in Rock segment on MTv, Bob said that they'd be working
on a bunch of new stuff during November.


* I believe that the reason the Dead can't play Silver Stadium in Roch.
anymore is that the neighbors didn't appreciate all the people 
camping out for a couple days and pissing on their lawns.

* Does anyone have the date that the Allman Brothers were on the 
Dennis Miller Show.  It was sometime in Sept. I think.

* I got a couple J. Garcia ties yesterday.  For you Rochester area
folks who might be interested, they're at B. Forman's.  There's 
a few left in Marketplace.  I got the fish tie and the frog tie. :-)
The lady said there will be a new shipment coming in on Oct. 25.  She
didn't know if they were a new set or just more of the 1st set.

* According to today's newspaper, Tom Waits will be on Arsenio tonight.
(That's Fri., the 9th).

* Anyone interested in watching the Dylan show on PPV next Friday?  I
was thinking about getting it.  I have to find out how tho'.  I think
I need to rent a cable box to do it.  

That's it for now!

Al Sodoma

* Oh yea, I also got my Boston I refund back yesterday.  It was just
about 35 days after I sent it in.  Just as someone had mentioned it
would be!

Later!
From: jagged@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Dead Facts!!!!
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:15:39 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Hey now, any dead heads out there who can help me? I am looking for
some really arcane facts about the dead. I am an active member of
SIGMA PHI EPSILON FRATERNITY and I am looking for some creative ways
to haze the pledges. They have to get some personal info on me for their records
and I told them that I would not give any until they answered some
questions for me.
	 I know most of the usual stuff like the definition
of Grateful Dead and their old names. I want stuff that only hard core
Dead heads would know. If anyone can help me out I would really be
Grateful!!
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WHO SAYS GREEKS CAN'T BE DEAD HEADS!!!!!!!! 
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From: dsle@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.s.lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: BG Presents Book
Keywords: nostalgic
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:49:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1992Oct8.234910.840
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


All,


There is a new book out called "Bill Graham Presents" by Bill Graham and
Robert Greenfield. In hardcover and costs $24.00. I really dig it.

It is basically a long set of interviews with Bill, his family, his friends
and famous musicians like Jerry, Bob, Jagger, etc. It starts out with his
tough beginnings in Europe during the nazi era and continues into how he was
a foster child in the Bronx. And of course his Mime Troupe and promoter years.

It is the NYC era that I liked best since Bill grew up in my old Bronx
neighborhood (20 years before I did), went to my junior high school (JHS 82),
hung out at my neighborhood movie theater (Park Plaza) and basically played the
ballgames that I played 20 years later (like Captain with a spalding ball).
He even mentioned my old street (Popham Ave) and some of the stores that I
visited when I grew up. Plus Undercliff Ave where he parked his first car and
where my dad parked his first car. I felt like an 8 year old again.

Of course as I read his words, I seem to here his voice almost like he was
reading it to me. He was a real mensch. And he made professional rock music 
what it is today. 

It's worth the price and then some.


Dave
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: tindall@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Tindall)
Subject: Re: JGB Haloween Taper Tix?
Keywords: Taper JGB
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:12:34 GMT

In article <1b4oivINNi72@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> burchell@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Jeff Burchell) writes:
>Ok, I know that there was no mailorder for the Haloween show, and I have
> a Gen Admission ticket for the show, but I would LOVE to have a taper
>  ticket.  Anyone have any info on this??? PLEASE?

  Fat chance in a pigs f*ckin' eye Bucko!!!

                                 e

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: Optional 7-13-84 poll
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 21:17:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.203321.12660@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> dudasj@rpi.edu writes:
>
>(excluding the
>person who might be disturbed the most, Mr. Bush).

How could it hurt him, he's already totally disturbed anyway:-)
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>/ | \<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: dblackbu@alleg.edu (Dave Blackburn)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: A real Dead post this time.
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:09:02 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

A .net.head poll:
What song(s) would you like to see revived after their break?
I'd like to hear a modern version of "Alligator". I bet it would get a quite  
different treatment now! 

--

* Dave Blackburn  dblackbu@alleg.edu  flames to self@home.dev.null *          
* Chemistry, Macs, Hypercard, cats,  <>< religion, & the Dead      *
* (Anyone else who held these opinions would be as crazy as I am.) *
*   "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own"   *
From: eds@po.CWRU.Edu (Ethan D. Siegel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Debate and De Dead
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:46:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Just finished watching the debate, I guess I'd cut grass and
fix shoes, but I don't know if I'd make sausage.  All three
candidates looked better than last debate, but the best thing
I got out of the debate was while I was watching, I found one of
my favorite and long lost tapes, a Cal Expo 90 and Filmore 70 
set from the GD hour 2 years ago.  I fell in love with it and 
lost it all in the same 1 month period.  Hallelujah!
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: Re: First Grandmother on Sex
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:20:18 GMT

Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com> writes:
> (blah-blah)
>husband's anti-abortion position, Barbara Bush said:

>"I think the issue is that we ought to tell children
>that  SEX IS -- IS DEATH. 

Wow-- Who'd imagine that sex with George makes her view sex as death.
Then again I should have known better but the thought repulsed me... ;-)I
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead