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From: sdo@linus.mitre.org (Sean D. O'Neil)
Subject: Re: Free magazine offer from a NY company.
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:52:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.022523.1704@nic.csu.net> sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.015249.8799@tellab5.tellabs.com> rgarg@tellab3.tellabs.com writes:
>>
>>I came across a company called "COLLEGETOWN MAGAZINE
>>SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE" in New York.
>>
>>Right now, they are taking new business from present customers
>>only. So, it would help to mention my name, Roger, as
>>present customer.
>
>No flames, but Roger forgot to mention that he will receive a free 1 year 
>magazine subscription for each person refer his name.

Roger also forgot to mention his last name anywhere in his article, making
it impossible to take him up on his offer, were anyone so inclined.

Not only greedy, but stupid to boot.

Sean
From: grossman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Mike Grossman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Brian Jordan and Jack Buck
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:03:15 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

> 
> + OF Brian Jordan is being brought in response to Galaraga's injury.

Jordan had a great first game...three RBIs (I think).

As he was up to bat for the first time in the majors, Jack Buck was
describing how relaxed Jordan was, and how he was taking the new experience
is stride. Buck said, "He's as cool as the other side of the pillow..."
Wow. 

It's hard to appreciate Buck if you don't listen to him day in, day out.
I've been listening to him for the last fifteen years or so. He defines
summer. He's the best...

>   Pedro goes back to 1st, I assume.

Yes, Pedro went back to first and had a dinger last night, as did Zeile, his
second on the year. The new fences at Busch are gonna help Zeile out...

Mike Grossman
grossman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
grossman@ukanvax.bitnet
From: davis1005@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cardinal Fans Caravan
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:59:09 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Apr13.125822.1@creole>, coop@creole writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.145128.2547@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, msteeves@cs.ulowell.edu (darkelf) writes:
>> In article <1992Apr10.211603.13525@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> scg52386@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Anal Retentive Man ) writes:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>* It is said their are very few St. Louis Cardinal fans.  
>>>>>>>>>*
>>>>>>>>>*How many are their out there;  Sign Up  Here!
>>>>>>>>>*
>>>>>>>>>*1> Dan Carpenter
>>>>>>>>>*2> Steve Parvin
>>>>>>>>>*3> Mark Laventhal
>>>>>>>   4> Jeff Wayman -- I'm in Colorado!!
>>>>>>    5> John Petterchak
>>>>> add  6> Aaron Packman
>>>>      7> Tom Durian
>>>       8> Sam Grant
>> 	9> Mike Steeves
>        10> Pat Lopez
> 
>        11> Dave Davis
From: cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl D. Lovejoy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Rockies Uniforms:  WHen will They be unfailed?
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:28:19 GMT
	<1992Apr15.135857.14054@cs.cornell.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: Astm Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


	Have the Rockies Uniforms been unfailed yet?  If not when do they plan
on doing it?

Carl
From: kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Eckersley NOT better than Fingers
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:45:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.183239.11547@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:

> Simply put, Eckersley is not better than Rollie Fingers.

Wrong.  I would take Eck today over Fingers.  He is a much better pitcher
today than Fingers is today.  He's a lot YOUNGER, of course! :)

Ken
From: maj1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mark "Beren" Jamison)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Phillys injuries
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:03:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mississippi State University

>In article <1992Apr10.154521.3857@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:
>>Offense wins games, defense wins championships.

>Funny; I always thought winning games won championships.  Didn't know that
>they awarded the championship to the team that gave up the fewest runs.  

>> Pitching is part of defense.
>>I'll take a team with great defense over a team with great offense any day.
>>So no, offense isn't 1/2 the game. More like 1/3.

Wait now by that assumption you take Sid Bream over Frank Thomas at 1b
in fact based on what you just said, you are telling me that a team
composed of

Sid Bream
Ozzie Guillen
Jose Lind
Terry Pendleton
Benito Santiago
Sammy Sosa
Lance Johnson
Alex Cole

Who all are listed as as good if not great defensive players would
beat 2/3 of the time the following team
Frank Thomas
Steve Sax
You can name a SS, Heck I'll take Alfredo Griffin 
Wade Boggs
Hector Villanueva
Jose Canseco
Keith Mitchell
George Bell

Who all have been calssified as have merely adequate defense some even poor..
And guess who'd probabbly win more than 60% of the games..
Defense is important but highly overated..
The whole point of baseball is to Score more runs than your openent in any given
game, not to keep you opponent from scoring.. Mind you if you do the latter
you'll either win or be stuck forever playing the same game, but the former
is much more likely..


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From: ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu (King-Han Yao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: For Jays fans only!
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:27:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.gdubhfG00UhWE=2L1G
	<1992Apr14.050653.24924@cs.cornell.edu>
Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 14-Apr-92 in Re: Re: For Jays fans only!  
user Edward [Ted] Fischer@cs. writes:
>In article <34860004@teecs.UUCP> ko@teecs.UUCP (Sam Ko) writes:
>>A 'WIN' is a win..................
>>How about '6' wins in a roll !!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
>Yeah, those Yankees are looking pretty good, aren't they?
> 
>Face it, the Blue Jays suck!  They got a little lucky there for a
>while, but tonight their true colors showed.  They got their little
>blue asses whipped by Greg "I'm all the Yankees have to show for
>Rickey" Cadaret!
> 
>What a shock!  I can only imagine the shame of 50,000 fans as they
>watched Todd "Beanball" Stottlemyre blow yet another early-game lead.
>And their disgust as the "potent" Jays lineup produced a mere two runs
>in the game against one of the worst starters in baseball.
> 
>I can only imagine this shame because the Blue Jays fans, in proper
>Canadian tradition, had all fled the stadium by the end of the
>seventh.  Only the losers and the misfits were privileged to watch
>Todd blow the game.
> 
>The McJays have seen their last of first place for this season.  From
>now on they travel to the cellar in the company of the Tigers.
> 
>-Valentine
>-- 
>"Red Sox all the way in '92!"	tedward@cs.cornell.edu

Yep.  And so can the Sox!!!!
Yankees - the Twins/Braves (take your pick, either is fine by me) of 1992.

(oh god, please don't make me eat my words later)
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King Yao                       
Economics 
Class of '92                   
Carnegie Mellon
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: SD Atl trade rumor
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:56:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, San Diego


The LA_Times has been reporting that SD & Atl have talked about
a Santiago trade. Atl offered Olsen & Merker, but SD wants a 
prospect in addition. On face value, Santiago may be worth the
3 players, but SD's negotiating position is weak. They HAVE to
trade Santiago. And everybody knows that. 

The Padres GM McIlvaine says that the talks are stalled since Atl
is balking at a 3-for-1 deal. I would make that deal if SD could
get Olsen and two good prospects. 



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From: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao)
Subject: Re: DUMB inexcusable play
Reply-To: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:26:03 GMT

dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>In article <19920408104543SASCHO@mvs.sas.com> SASCHO@mvs.sas.com (SASCHO) writes:
>> 
>>In baseball, you never make the third out at third. NEVER. You can score
>>from second on everything that would allow you to score from third.
>>The only exception is a PB/WP. 

>Well, or an infield hit, or a ground ball error, or a balk.

Two points..

First, you have to throw in the possibility of his scoring on the
steal itself -- on an errant throw by the catcher, the ball deflecting
of Vince's body -- that should raise the probability of scoring by a
little bit...

>Actually, we can compute just how dumb this was, to some extent.

>On average, a team with a man on second and two out can expect to score 
>about .35 more runs in the inning.  A team with a man on third and two
>out can expect to score about .38 or .39 more runs.  So, the marginal value
>of the stolen base is about .03 or .04 expected runs.  If we let 'p' denote
>the probability of successfully stealing the base, then the expected value
>of the attempt is given by

>	p * .04 + (1-p) * (-.35) =  .39 p - .35

>implying that this is only a winning bet if p > 35/39, which is between 89%
>and 90% success.

Maybe this number would be a little bit lower based on the above reasoning.

>Now, Coleman's career success rate for stealing 3rd is probably right around
>90%.  What this means is that, in the long run, he's probably not costing the
>team any runs by doing that.  If it's important to his intimidation of the
>opposing pitchers to *always* be a threat, then it might actually be a boost
>for the team overall, as long as he doesn't do it in situations where the
>club needs one run immediately (like the 9th inning of a tie game).  It's a
>strategy that makes the risk-averse duck and cover, but it's not really good
>or bad for the team in the end.

secondly, are you sure its a bad thing to do when exactly ONE run is
needed.  While 0.39(0.35) is the expected number of runs, I would
think the two more crucial numbers to compare would be the probability
of scoring at least one run with a man on 2nd(3rd) and two outs.
These two probabilities are more important when you need exactly one
more run....

Also, as you said, if Vince is a threat to steal 3rd in that
situation, then the pitchers attention may be divided and he may just
groove one or go exclusively to the fastball to try and have a better
chance of throwing the runner out at third.

>On the whole, I'd say that it was not a wise decision, but was probably less
>stupid than a sacrifice bunt in the fourth inning...

Bharat
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: dbiggs@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (Darren C. Biggs)
Subject: Royals newsletter
Organization: Radford University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 01:19:13 GMT

   Does anyone know if the Royals have a fan newsletter.
   If so, could you E-mail me information about how to subscribe to it.

                                      -Darren

   E-mail : dbiggs@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu
From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Catching up on birthdays
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:10:31 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I've been out of town for a few days.
Here are the birthdays I missed:

April 4
Tris "Gray Eagle" Speaker, 1888
Gil Hodges, 1924
Jim Fregosi, 1942
Tommy Herr, 1956
Mike Epstein, 1943
Joe Vosmik, 1910
Mick Owen, 1916
Gary Geiger, 1937
Ray Fosse, 1947
John Hummel, 1883
Brad Komminsk, 1961
Bart Giamatti, 1938 RIP

April 5
Ron Hansen, 1938
Rennie Stennett, 1951
Big Bill Dinneen, 1876
Merritt "Sugar" Cain, 1907
Chris Carpenter, 1965

April 6
Mickey Cochrane, 1903
Ernie Lombardi, 1908
Bert Blyleven, 1951
Phil "Vulture" Regan, 1937
Marty Pattin, 1943
Ken WIlliams, 1964
Seattle Kingdome, 1977
Minneapolis Metrodome, 1982
Regular Season, 1992
Scott Barman, 19??

April 7
John McGraw, 1873
Bobby DOerr, 1918
Clyde Hildebrand, 1907
Bobby del Greco, 1933
Tom Phoebus, 1942
Bobby Mitchell, 1955
Toronto Exhibition Stadium, 1977

April 8
Catfish Hunter, 1946
Gary Carter, 1954
John Hiller, 1943
Kirby Higbe, 1915
Turk Farrell, 1934
San Diego Stadium, 1969


Steve

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From: twap8@isuvax.iastate.edu (Mike McNarney)
Subject: Ced Landrum of the Cubs
Reply-To: twap8@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:28:33 GMT

According to ths morning's (4/9) Des Moines _Register_, Iowa Cubs outfielder
Ced Landrum "blew out" his groin while rounding third base in an inside-the-
park attempt during a recent exhibition game. Details were sketchy (what is
new for the _Register_?), but it appears that he will be out until May, at
least. Ouch.

---------------------------
Mike McNarney
twap8@isuvax.bitnet
Iowa State University, USENET censors
Ames, IA 50013-0007
515/296-8797

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From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson v Nolan Ryan -- Stat-head call to arms!
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:09:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr15.103009.951@gacvx2.gac.edu> klund@guajillo.gac.edu (Kevin T Lund) writes:
>In article <204924@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Dr. Dave writes:

>> I'd rather have dinner with Nolan Ryan; I'd rather *watch* Nolan Ryan.   
>> I'd rather have owned the rights to Rickey.

>Are you sure?  

Yes :-).

>Ryan causes a lot less problems than Rickey for his teams.   

He also causes noticably fewer wins.

>No contract problems, etc.  

I consider this a non-issue.  If I'm a GM, my job is to keep the best (i.e.
most likely to win) possible roster available for my manager, over a long
period of time.  (Rebuilding will sometimes be necessary, of course.)  That
includes keeping moody-but-awesome players happy.  I don't get to pick who
has which personality; my job is to cope with the way things are.

>Also, whenever Ryan pitches the stadium has a  
>major increase in attendence.  

This is certainly true, but I suspect that the total Ryan-factor in increased
gate receipts is more than compensated for by the total Rickey-factor in 
increased revenues due to perennial competitiveness of the team.

>Personally, I'd rather have Ryan  
>on my team than Rickey, even if Rickey _was_ better than Ryan.

If you think hiring nice guys is more important than winning, I'm certainly
not going to say that you're wrong.  However, the original question was about
who causes more winning, not who's more fun to be around.

>Oh, and the reason is NOT because Ryan is white.

No, it's because Rickey is a jerk, which I still don't think is relevant.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Blue Jays vs. Red Sox
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:17:25 GMT

 
> Why should we call it a wash?  Joe Carter had the year of his life
> last year, and still wasn't that great.  Plantier will do just as Val
> says - he'll MASSACRE Carter in terms of production.
> 

	I don't think Joe Carter will really care about being MASSACRED by
  Plantier in production.  Carter will be going to the ALCS in October and
  Plantier will be going home, where he can marvel at his awesome stats.

						G.Greene


> *    Gary Huckabay    * "They sent Brosius down."  "So Lansford has the job?" *
> *   "A considerably   * "Yep.  And it looks like Bordick has won the 2B job." *
> *  shorter fuse than  * "I guess I better make postseason plans now." "Good   *
> *    Sherri Nichols." *  idea.  Call Puget Sound Airways." - GH & EG.         *
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From: cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter)
Subject: Re: Felix Jose, Where are you???
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:12:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.194714.24933@meaddata.com> daves@meaddata.com (Dave Spencer) writes:
>
>Where was Felix Jose in the Cardinals lineup yesterday?
>
>Is he hurt?  He had a poor spring, is he sitting or what??
>
>
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>                                

Jose is injured.  Hamstring I believe.  The local paper stated that
Torre said Jose could PH.  I think it said Jose would be back in the
lineup  at  Chicago.

Dan
From: dpassage@eden.Berkeley.EDU (David Paschich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: MATT YOUNG TOSSES NO-HITTER, LOSES 2-1
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:16:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: eden.DPASSAGE.92Apr13181626
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In-reply-to: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu's message of 13 Apr 92 15:09:59 GMT

In article <204829@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
   In article <1992Apr12.213136.19361@midway.uchicago.edu> clmn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

   >In article <1992Apr12.210321.28874@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:

   >>     Now, Matt Young just tossed a no-hitter and lost, 2-1.  

   >Unfortunately, this was NOT a no-hitter under the new "improved" rules.  

   So?  You and I know better.  "Just say 'yes'".

But wait a sec, Dave.  I thought you didn't believe in errors.  Change
Luis Rivera's bad throw from an error to an infield hit, and no
hitter no longer.

David Paschich
From: kablooey@Spies.COM (Blue Dragon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Birthdays 3/31
Keywords: Tracy Jones
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:30:17 GMT
Organization: Spies in the wire, (408) 867-7400

Steven Smith writes:
>Today's Birthdays (March 31)
>Carson Bigbee, 1895
>Happy Jack Stivetts, 1868
>Marv Grissom, 1918
>Dave Koslo, 1920
>Tracy Jones, 1961
>
Speaking of Tracy Jones...where is he? He doesn't seem to have made any
team's roster.
>
>Yawn. You people still enjoying these?
>
Well, it did give me a lead-in to ask the above question.

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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Reversals and Palindromes
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: na,local
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 19:00:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.222653.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67709317@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>In article <31280@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:
>> In article <167BDD541.CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>>>In article <jvjj1=d@lynx.unm.edu>, kbos@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>>>>In article <167BCF169.CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>>>>>Come on, you have to throw in Saduharu O. :-)
>> 
>>>>ctually, all of the (admittedly Western) books I've read list his last name  as
>> 
>> His last name is not a Japanese name, it is Chinese.

His last name is considered Japanese; it is not a standard family name,
however.

>> Don't know what the character is,
>> but it's likely to have multiple transliterations and really
>> be unable to be represented accurately in romanization due to
>> Chinese tones.  Most characters do not read the same backwards
>> in Chinese :-)
>
>Not quite.  Sadaharu Oh is the Japanese pronunciation of the Chinese
>characters, and his name has only one correct pronunciation: "Oh,"
>which differs not at all between Japanese and English.
>
>However, romanizing his name could yield O, Oo, Oh, or Ou, since
>there is no commonly accepted romanization method for Japanese.
>Japanese baseball has standardized on the "oh" romanization when
>putting names on the back of players' jerseys.  So that's why we
>call him Sadaharu Oh.

There is, in fact, a standard romanization for Japanese; the Japanese use it
themselves all the time, teach it in schools, etc. This same standard is
taught in all Japanese programs I know of. 

Now, Sadaharu Oh was born in Tokyo, to a Chinese father and Japanese mother.
By (then) Japanese law, he was not a Japanese citizen, and had to get the
reentry visa required of all "foreigners" every time he left the country. As
far as I can tell, the character for his last name is pronounced "Oh", which
in the standard romanization, SHOULD be written "Ou". However, most non-
Japanese would not pronounce this properly, so an exception in spelling was 
made in his case. Other than that, I know of no exceptions to the standard
romanization of Japanese words, though the "target nation" may change the
Japanese romanization in such things as newspaper or magazine articles, where
the readership is not necessarily conversant with the Japanese language.

Mike
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Red Sox vs. Jays
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:02:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.215141.28343@e2big.mko.dec.com> gobrien@trooa.enet.dec.com (Glenn OBrien) writes:
>Also, Lou Gorman was pursuing Jack Morris as 
>muc as the Jays, and that Pat Gillick had 
>Viola as his backup if Morris went to 
>the Red Sox.  It would appear that Red 
>Sox management favours Morris over Viola 
>as well.

Me, I think that the Red Sox faked the Blue Jays into taking Morris
so that Toronto wouldn't be able to afford Viola.  :)

Seriously, look at how the two of them have done in the last eight years:

1984: Viola slightly better.
1985: Morris much better.
1986: Morris much better.
1987: Viola better.
1988: Viola much better.
1989: Viola much better.
1990: Viola much much better.
1991: Morris better.

Total, 1984-1991: Morris, 128-98, 3.72; Viola, 139-100, 3.44.
Last three seasons averaged: Morris, 13-15, 4.20; Viola, 15-15, 3.43.
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