From: dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel DuBois)
Subject: Re: Culture comes to USENET (was Re: Jordan & Pippen: No Olympics)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 06:10:21 GMT

bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis) writes:

>In article <C044Kr.HLp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel DuBois) writes:
>>EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>>>In article <OLIVER.92Dec30225918@ballard1.mit.edu>
>>>oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III) writes:
>>>>In article <C03K75.CrB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel DuBois) wrote:
>>>>> An ignorant statement like that makes me just want to
>>>>> pimp-slap you.
>>>BTW can someone explain why the Olympics hasn't had such an adverse affect
>>>on Barkely and his Suns? And what does rough play on the part of NY or
>>>Detroit in years past have to do with the Bulls now?
>>> 
>>
>>The 'thesis' of my post was about how hard Jordan and Pippen work, and
>>grueling season they have to go through.  Very much of that 'gruel'
>>has to do with teams coming at them so hard because they're the
>>champs (especially physical teams like Detroit and NY).

>You don't have a point here.  Sure, teams try to elevate their level
>of effort when playing a good team, but this goes for any good team,
>and having one the most recent championship doesn't set a team apart
>in that respect.  Furthermore, if this had a significant effect on

I disagree wholeheartedly.  It has now become cliche to say "teams
get geared up for the champs."  Detroit constantly said it when they
were champs, the Bulls say it now.  Everybody wants to beat the champs
more than any other team.

>>                                                         And as for
>>comparing to Barkley, he was resting during the playoffs last season
>>whilst Pippen and Jordan were getting knocked around by the likes of
>>Anthony Mason.

>Pippen and Jordan are not the only players to go to the playoffs.

Yes, but heyve been going alot more that the other players in the
league, and Barkley hasn't gone at all. The person I was replying to
said "why hasnt the Olympics hurt Barkley and the Suns?"  The above
is a reasonable reply. He was in the Olympics yes, but he doesn't
have all the other things working against him.

>And considering that the end of the playoffs and the beginning of the
>next season are several months apart, claiming that players who go to
>the playoff are at a disadvantage the next season sounds to me like
>nothing more than grasping at straws.

>>                AND there were two Bulls sent to the Olympics, two
>>VERY important Bulls, two Bulls that pretty much carry the team.

>Like Malone and Stockton carry the Jazz?

Like Malone and Stockton don't have all the other factors weighed
in as well.  My arguement depends on the sum of the parts, not any 
one individual disadvantage that maybe some other NBA players had.

>>Cmon you had to see all these points coming!  A ten year old could
>>make this case.

>And I would hope that only a 10 year old *would* make this case.  It
>seems to me like you're trying to manipulate the facts to support your
>claim.

Seems to me you're ignoring the facts to comfortably ignore my claims.
Rationalization will get you nowhere.

-Dan
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