HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rweisbe@starfleet.nswc.navy.mil (Robert Weisbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Wanted Bills update
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:30:21 GMT
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center


Keywords: 
Does anyone have an update on the Bills?
Is Bruce healthy? Is management playing guessing games on his injury again this year.
Did Bennett sign yet?  Who else is yet to sign.

What are the impressions of the Bills fans concerning the coaching staff changes
this year. This has got to change the chemistry of the team.  What coaching positions
have changed since last year? 

What injuries have the bills encountered this season so far.?
What the local press's take on team spirit?  Near the end of the season last year
all you heard about the bills in the press was individual players concerns, Smith problems, 
Thomas' goals are a few that come to mind.
From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:56:06 GMT
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

>Nothing is more frustrating than getting screwed by a bad call that would
 ^^^^^^^
>obviously be overturned by the replay.  I'd rather have the little delay a
>few times a game than lose on a bad call.

Wrong.  There is one thing more frustrating than that: replays slowing the
game down and having no effect.  I was glad when they came, but now I'm
glad they're going away.  It was a useful experiment that demonstrated
the solution was worse than the cure.

					me
From: robertk@bnr.ca (Robert Kaczynski P765)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings blow out KC
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:28:58 GMT
Reply-To: yournamehere@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP Info Systems

In article <1992Aug17.134632.215@macc.wisc.edu>, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug16.071011.14582@news.stolaf.edu>, alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad) writes...
|> 
|> >That's right, the lowly Vikings defeated the Chief (Super Bowl favorites) at
|> >the Dome tonight by the score of 30-0.  You read correctly. 30-0.
|> 
|> Don't get too excited.  The Packers beat the Chiefs soundly in week 1. 
|> Either the Chiefs are sandbagging it or they have major problems.
|> 
|> >I bleed purple.
|> 
|> You owe me $1.  :-)
|> 
|> John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
|> 
|> "If there's something wrong with the computer, it's sophisticated diagnostics 
|> will notify you of the situation by assuming an appearance that, for the most
|> part, is dark and lifeless." - The Adventures of Lone Wolf Scientific

What do you expect if these people have not signed....

Okoye (What are Word and Harvey Williams doing)
Paige (Where are there other receivers)
Lowery (Lansford is missing field goals)
From: i001804@disc.dla.mil (mary green)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: RE: Steelers Back? (or Eagles Defense)
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:17:54 GMT
Organization: Defense Industrial Supply Center, Philadelphia, Pa


Lots of stuff deleted.
>It was interesting too, Philadelphia's highly regarded defense give up
>490 yds of offense to the Steelers and to blow a 35-6 lead more than half
>way through the 3rd quarter.

Our highly regarded defense took a shower at halftime.  White, Simmons, Pitts,
Golic, Joyner, Hopkins, etc. played only the first half and gave up six points
What the Steelers beat up on were a couple of second stringers and third 
stringers made up of rookies and WLAF free agents.  Guys that will be in the
unemployment line come Sept 6th.  Not trying to flame you or the Steelers but
just wanted to set the facts straight.

B. Snyder
Phila, Pa
--
From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Lion news - 8/18/92
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:13:00 GMT
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <16rso9INN943@agate.berkeley.edu>, ward@max.cchem.berkeley.edu (Ward Thompson) writes...
>In article <Derek_Juntunen.06oz@abcd.Houghton.MI.US> Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Derek Juntunen) writes:
>>looked pretty good most of the game, aside from his fumble.  And I was very
>>impressed with Byron Sanders (is he related to Barry?).  The guy looks like
>>an exact clone of Barry Sanders, with a few less moves.  
> 
>Byron Sanders is Barry's older (I think) brother.  He played in college at
>Northwestern (which is probably why you've never heard of him).  I think he
>turned pro the same year as Barry but hasn't done so well.

Well, having gone to Northwestern as an undergrad, I have heard of him and even 
knew him. He was a JUCO transfer to Northwestern and enrolled there the same 
year I did. Although he had another year of eligibility remaining in 1989, he 
elected to make himself eligible for the NFL draft. He was drafted in something 
like the 8th round by the Bears but was cut. Since he declared himself eligible,
he lost his final year of college ball at Northwestern and at that point hadn't 
graduated either. I did see him in the spring of 1990 on the campus and talked 
to him. He did not graduate with me in June of that year, but as far as I know 
he did eventually graduate from NU. I found him to be a very likable person and 
easy to talk to. All this was possible because NU does not have athletic dorms 
and he and I were in the same dorm for two years so I eventually knew him 
fairly well.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic"
From: johna@psdcae1.gvg.tek.com (John Abt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49er tidbits
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:10:20 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1992Aug11.181453.21745@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
[...]
>Punters
>Dale Hatcher had a miserable game against the Raiders. He blames the
>wind at Candlestick for his problems. He can't begin to figure it out.

I was at the game - the wind didn't seem that bad, although it got
worse towards the end of the game. I'd have trouble believing the 
wind was responsible for at least a couple of those bad punts.

Pretty exciting game for pre-season.

John Abt
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: ORLANDO DOLPHANS
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:28:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.000526.16243@cs.ucf.edu> torim writes:
>Hey, are there any orlando dolphans out there? If so,where do you go to watch
>the games?  I heard players and sports dimensions is good.  I'm going to get a
>bus trip to one of the Dolphins games from Miami. Keep you eye on the subject
>DOLPHIN TRIP.   Are there any other female fans out there that like the
>dolphins as much as I do?  I need to watch the game with someone and my
>boyfriend does'nt like football! Can you believe it!  
>
>
>
>Tori Shriner

I'm definitely a fan of females 8~), I love `em. And I love the Dolphins too, but
unfortunately I don't live in Florida anymore. Hopefully though, someday I'll
return to live on the space coast and get back to surfing and hanging out at
Playa Linda and Spanish House, with my wife and kids though 8~), oh well.

John T.
-- 
My opinions only, if you don't like `em don't read `em. 
Hurricanes and Dolphins, my favorite weather phenomena and aquatic mammals, oh
and also my favorite football teams. And remember to always genuflect in Shula's
presence and to kiss his Super Bowl Rings. .........John "Dolphinatic" Turman
From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: holdouts
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:34:27 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


Obviously all fans hate holdouts when it involves their team.

My question is, why don't the owners just refuse to give in?  As long
as they have the draft (illegal as it is, most likely), a player can't
go anywhere else for a year.  So if the owners just say, ok, you sign
or forget it, the player would sign, more often than not.  Otherwise
the player is sacrificing 1 million or more (1st rounders) for the year,
and will certainly be drafted lower the next year.  So they will lose
even more money because of the contract offer in a lower draft slot.
Given the few years the average player plays, they can't afford to sit
out and forfeit one year.

--dave
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: POOL - Separate Newsgroup?
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:34:23 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

baker2668@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>Here is my thoughts: I know people on this group might not care about
>this pool, but there is many things that I have to sift through until I
>find something interesting.  That's life on the net.  I say keep the
>pool on the net.  I think moving this to a mailing list would be too
>much extra work for Dave.

    That all depends on who you know. It is possible to have either an
internet-list or  LiSTSERV list that woudl require little to no
moderation by Dave. People would signup and he could just mail stuff to
the list. There are LISTSERVS with far more then 450 people on them.

>I do not know how easy (hard) it is to create a new newsgroup.  If it is
>relatively painless, then that should be the way to go.

    Take it from someone who has done the creation thing as well as the
sub-hierarchy reorg, getting a new news group is not a simple thing. IF
we started today with the best possible of all outcomes there would be a
newgroup control message sent out in about 10 weeks, and it would still
take probably another month for the propagation to really pick up. If
this is going to be moved then a mailing list is definately the way to
go. Talk to your sysadmin about getting a LISTSERV set up, or even an
internet mailing list. They aren't difficult to maintain at all as long
as you aren't acting as a full moderator.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info
		   "A clear case of curare poisoning
	       of one of her Majesty's Cold-Cream Guards"
						   -- Durlock Holmes
From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:42:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug17.234720.21170@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>
>   p.s. Was anyone else pissed that Detmer didn't get a shot to play?
>   If they keep that bum Tomcazk over him, I won't be too happy. Too
>   short??? Not a strong enough arm??? Anybody with about 55 NCAA records
>   and the only QB to have his team beat Miami in the past two years
>   must have done something right!!!
>

Detmer should get his chance this week.  It looks like Majkowski will
not play due to a sore back.  This would leave the QB duties to Farve
and Detmer.  Since Tomczak is not in camp yet, I would
think his chances of making the team are minimal, provided Majkowski
is healthy.  I'd like to see Detmer in the first half to see what
he can do against a 1st string defense.  

-Todd
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From: rsojka@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.e.sojka)
Subject: Football Positions
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:25:06 GMT


     Can someone post all of the offensive and defensive positions, related
     pseudo-names, where they line up and their responsibilities. Any info
     would be appreciated. Thanks in  advance.

     Bob
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rice to holdout for the year? (So sez
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:05:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: andy@misha.central.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com

In article 92Aug18094704@kuwait.gdfwc3, steves@gdfwc3 (Steve Strauss) writes:
>In article <l91tspINN3mv@cronkite> andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE) writes:
>
>>   I expect the owners to fold & start signing a lot of these players.  With 
>>   the lack of a contract (there can be no draft next year) and the anti-trust
>                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>   suit,  there will be free agency for players who have ~ 6 years in the league.
>>   The Redskins are telling Desmond Howard they are LOWERING his offer.  Don't
>>   bet on it.  They cannot afford to let the 6th player in the draft go back 
>>   to next year's (if there is one) draft.  
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Please explain.

According to the collective barginning agreement signed in 1982 (that expired
in 87),  the draft could continue for 5 years while a new agreement was being
negotiated.  This last draft was the last one.  The NFL claims they will hold
a draft next year.  That will never hold up in court.  So,  unless the owners
want all of the college players to be free agents,  they have to sign a new
contract (& give in to) the union.  






---
Andy Knipp  SE                |
Sun Microsystems              | The secret of success is sincerity,
Schaumburg, IL                | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Where are they now?
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:03:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.002014.14844@husc3.harvard.edu> vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
>
>For example, what happened to Joe Theismann? (sp?)
       Joe is the color guy on ESPN Pro football telecasts. And, IMO not very
       good at it.

       Steve Walsh? (Where IS he now, ever since
>					    leaving Dallas?)
       Steve will be the backup in New Orleans this year, with Hebert back.

>                              Eric Dickerson?
        Eric is back in LA. I've heard that he and Nick Bell will be the
	main contributors to the Silver and Black ground attack with Marcus
	Allen relegated to third down duty.

      --salty

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:25:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.171955.5358@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>
>Perhaps the NFL will come up with a better way to implement it, but as it
>was it sucked.


I liked the way they did it in the USFL. If I remember correctly, each
coach could throw a red flag once per half. The play would then be
reviewed. If the play stood as called, the coach was penalized a
timeout. If overturned; no penalty.

Tony (go new england) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:37:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.130037.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>   The rule that gets me most annoyed, probably because it's often used, is th
>"ground can't cause a fumble" rule.  SO WHAT if the ground causes the fumble? 
>As long as both his knees have yet to touch the ground, it's the ball carier's
>job to hold onto th' blasted thing!  
>   Are receivers given a catch when the wind blows the ball out of their reach
>Do they pause play if a back slips on mud to let him get back up?  If a field
>goal kicker steps on a patch of ice and ends up kicking the ball into his
>bench, do they let him try again?  Why on Earth should they disallow a fumble
>just because the running back actually HIT THE GROUND when he was knocked
>down...
>
Well, I see it this way:  The NFL is looking for solid play and
consistent calls.  Anything that makes officiating harder and makes
their product look less than professional disturbs them.  The
instances you describe are not in the control of the refs to replay.
A player fumbling the ball after hitting the ground can lead to yet
another level of interpretation call, that is, whether other parts of
his body were down before the ball came out.  Also, it would
significantly raise the number of turnovers in a game/season, another
stat that the NFL wants to keep to a minimum.  They don't mind great
plays by defensive players, but the turnovers caused by the turf
apparently puts them over the top.

Finally, I can imagine that that rule is a result of turf being
installed in stadiums years ago.  I bet that if all the stadiums had
grass fields, we wouldn't see that rule in effect.  However, it is
hardly fair to expect a player to hold on to the ball when falling
face (or hands) first onto the "fuzzy concrete".

Anyone else have a better guess?

*ice*


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jcoryell@nwu.edu (John Coryell.)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - 8/12/92
Originator: cheading@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: MI
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:50:08 GMT

In article <23519@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>Injury News:
>The Redskins offense tackle Eric Williams's right knee injury turned out 
>to be more serious than originally thought; he has a torn knee ligament 
>and will be out ten weeks.  Williams suffered the knee injury during 
>practice last Monday and the initial prognosis was a sprained knee.  No 
>surgery is anticipated, but an arthroscopic procedure might be necessary.
>
>Bobby Wilson, last year's first-round draft choice, will replace Williams
>for Sunday's exhibition game against San Francisco in London.
>

Don't know if the Post got it wrong or what, but both Williams and 
Wilson are _defensive_ tackles, not offensive; Williams is converted
from the end position.

Any more recent news on how he's doing?

John Coryell.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: wakankar@lima.egr.msu.edu (Parag Wakankar)
Subject: Re: Trade ideas
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 15:43:23 GMT

Lot of talk is going on about trade between Giants and Colts with the chargers.
Do you Charger fans think, they will trade Junior Seau?


How about Trudeau or Hos +picksfor Seau?


Parag























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From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Re: Are the Bears 2 players away from the Super Bowl?
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:29:28 GMT

>    I didn't say that the Bears are a bad team, I said they are overrated.
>    Yes, I did say that the Bears will probably make the playoffs but I
>    explained why and here it is again: THEIR DIVISION IS WEAK. They have the
>    luxury of playing the Packers, Bucks, and Vikes twice every year. Added to
>    this they have the other weak conference (AFC Central) on the menu this
>    year. One more thing, If I am right about this matter that doesn't mean I
>    am knowledgable. It is so obvious, you don't need a rocket scientist
>    ti figure it out.
>
>    Malik...

I'm not so sure about the Bears.  They have a decent team, but personally I    
don't think that playing the Vikes is going to be a luxury this season.  They've
looked really impressive so far, even without the high-priced "talent" of Walker
Millard, Browner, and Wilson.  The defense hasn't allowed a TD yet in the 
preseason (I know, it's still preseason, but they did have to play against the 
first units of the Bills and the Chiefs), and Gannon and Salisbury have both
looked really sharp in throwing the ball.  

Yeah, I may be stretching it a little bit to say the Vikes will win the Central,
but I wouldn't be stretching at all to say that they are going to suprise a few
teams this season...

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield,MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu

I bleed purple.
From: ginsburg@cme.nist.gov (Dylan Ginsburg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bears rumors...
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:02:29 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology
In-reply-to: wwr@calmasd.prime.com's message of 20 Aug 92 16:10:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.081041.700@calmasd.prime.com> wwr@calmasd.prime.com writes:
>	Perry to Phillie for Barnett...
>
>*Any* portion of truth to either of these two?

I think this trade is great! I'm crossing my fingers that it happens.
But then again, I am a Skins fan...

The Eagles would have to be insane to do this trade. They would be
trading a potential star in Barnett for a fat gob of goo who plugs
holes only by virtue of his sheer girth.

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From: rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Novacek to 49ers?
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:44:02 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: bongo.berkeley.edu

In article <2232@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>It was reported in today's Austin-American Statesman that there are
>"rumors out of the Metroplex", i.e. Dallas, that the Cowboys are trying
>to shop Novacek to San Francisco.  Has anyone else heard this?
>
>Daniel Welch

  It makes complete sense. Lessee, the Niners have Brent Jones, a
  fine pass-catching tight end and Jamie Williams a solid blocker
  and Wesley Walls who's having an outstanding preseason. I can
  already picture Shanahan drooling over the four TE sets he can
  use to thoroughly outwit and outpace the defense. In fact, I think 
  they should trade Jerry Rice to Dallas to get Novacek. 

  Just my 2 pesos worth,

  Ashu Rege
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Results to be delayed SLIGHTLY
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:12:04 GMT

The results for Week 3 of the football pool will not be available until
either LATE Tuesday or early Wednesday.  This is because the large majority
of the machines here at CU will be down all day becasue of a scheduled
power outage.  Once we get things back up, if I still have any energy, I
will run the grader and post results.  If not, they will be up Wednesday
morning.

This will not affect your ability to send in your picks (unless you have
a really lame mail program) as the machines will be back up Tuesday evening.

Sorry for the delay.

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From: meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Meskes)
Subject: Infos on nationality of readers wanted!
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:44:17 GMT

I would like to know how much interest on professional football there is
outside the United States. Therefore I would like all readers staying
'in the outlands' to mail a short message to

meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

This message should contain answers to the following questions:

1) What is your home country?
2) What is your nationality? (I think there is a difference between e.g.
   germans and americans staying in Germany)
3) What is your favorite team? (to see which team is best known outside the US)
4) Do you read this news group regularly?
5) Do you also like your own local football league, if there is one? (never mind
   if this league is not professional)

After receiving enough answers I'll post a summary.

Thanks in advance

   Michael
-- 
Michael Meskes, Lehrstuhl fuer angewandte Mathematik insb. Informatik,
RWTH-Aachen, Ahornstr. 55, D-W-5100 Aachen
Email: meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de