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Subject: Re: McCoys portrayal of the Doctor
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 09:22:46 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:

> In <16866@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here..
> 
> >In article <1992Nov5.175614.9564@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.r
> 
> >Ace, on the other hand, shows just as much reasoning ability in 
> >"Curse of Fenric", when she figures out the logic diagram, and she
> >acted a lot closer to her age.
> 
> Really?  I thought she was pretty damned infantile usually.  How old is she
> supposed to be?  She usually acts about 15 herself.

Ace is supposed to be 16.  When Kane asked her age in Dragonfire, she says,
16 then quickly changes it to 18, trying to be older.  So I assume 16.  Of
course Sophie was in her mid 20's at the time, so that is why she looked
older then 16.

> >Ace, on the other hand, has always had a consistent characterization, and
> >I _know_ sixteen- and seventeen-year-olds (at my sister's high school) who
> >have exactly that kind of "I've never had no mum and dad" attitude and
> >quick temper.  And best of all, she and Sylvester have developed exactly the
> >kind of mentor-student relationship that they tried and failed with Adric.

That is exactly why I do enjoy the Sylvester Doc and Ace.  It was their 
chemestry that really worked for me.  The show hadn't had that kind of
chemestry between actors, and therefore characters, in quite a long time.

> 
> Note: sixteen or seventeen year olds.  Wasn't that her mum who was a baby in
> WWII?  How old does this make Ace?

If Mum had her when she was about 30, that would make Ace about 16 in 1987.
Figuring the date in Fenric being about '41 or '42.  So I guess that is about
right.
> 
> >>  Sure, he did some pretty dumb things
> >>from time to time, and the characterization was a bit unrealistic, but he
> >                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> >contradiction alert!  You just said Adric was a convincing portrayal.
> >Had to say it.  :-)
> 
> No contradiction.  It was convincing...just unrealistic.  Think about it.
> 
> Drewcifer

Ok so Ace was convincing and a bit more realistic.  IMHO.   Well I like Ace
quite a lot.  She is my favorite companion of the series.  She is fresh and
full of energy.  She is also tough, not the winny "oh Doctor, <insert
scream> help me!" of past companions.  It was fun to watch a companion go
at a Dalek with a baseball bat, instead of sitting in the corner and 
screaming.  I did indentify with her, in that for me at 16 my personality was
much the same, spunky and a bit tom boyish.  And as I said, the chemesty
between Sophie and Sylvester was great, for me it worked.


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Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: EPISODES vs. SERIALS
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:34:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: rivers.1992Nov9.123432.287
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <904@dsbc.icl.co.uk>, dro@dsbc.icl.co.uk (David Owen) writes:
> Sorry to be so amazingly picky about this, but
> 
> "The Tomb of the Cybermen" is a serial
> 
> "The Tomb of the Cybermen" episode three is an episode
> 
> "The Tomb of the Cybermen" is four episodes.
> 
> It's just a bit frustrating to see this distinction ignored quite a lot
> in this group recently.
> 
> There. I promise to post something more constructive later !
> 
> Dave.

Agreed.  This is a distinction lost on many American readers because so
many of us have only seen the show in the "movie" format.

I would, however, like to point out the words "story" and "movie" as
acceptable synonyms for "serial," especially "story."  (Movie is a little
inaccurate.)

Steven.K.Manfred
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From: slqn0@cc.usu.edu (Hoyt J. Heaton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: REQUEST: Katy Manning GIFs
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:23:57 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


About six months ago, someone was E-mailing the famous Katy Manning GIFs,
but when I bought my new computer, I left them with the old hard drive.
If anyone has them, contact me at the E-mail address below.

Thanks in advance...
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From: 00rrchorzemp@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Regenerations???
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:10:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Nov12.001000.11787
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <rpcqa3j@lynx.unm.edu>, doctor@lacerta.unm.edu (Doc (the one and only...)) writes:
> Why is it that every time the Doctor has regenerated he gains weight, hair
> agility, etc?I know when a time lord regenerates he/she takes on a new
> physical form, but to what extent?  Also why does the TARDIS "evolve" every
> time the doctor regenerates?  The control pannel gets more and more complicated
> with each new regeneration.  Watch one one of William Hartnell's episodes and
> compare the control pannel to one of the Collin Baker episodes.
> 
> Any ideas guys???
> -Josh

Well, we know there is a type of 'symbiosis' between the TARDIS and the owner 
(the Doctor).  Maybe the TARDIS is accomidating itself to the new regeneration
of the Doctor?

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From: phbob@ritcsh.csh.rit.edu (Phbob)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Dr. Who autographed books for sale
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:20:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT
Originator: phbob@nick.csh.rit.edu


I went digging through one of my old storage boxes at home and uncovered
four Dr. who books that I had autographed at Whovents/conventions 
(whatever the term is now).  Since I have unfortunately not seen the
show in about 2 years (after watching religiously for 12 years -I started
way back when channel 9 out of New York showed 1/2 at a time at 4:30
each day), I figured that these books might be better off in another home.


The Five Doctors by Terrence Dicks
     signed by Terrence Dicks

Dr. Who and the Sunmakers by Terrence Dicks
     signed by Louise Jameson (Leela)

Race Against Time (a make your own adventure book) by Pip & Jane Baker
    signed by Colin Baker

Dr. Who Omnibus (hardbound):
        Dr. Who and the Space War
        Dr. Who and the Web of Fear
        Dr. Who and the Revenge of the Cybermen
  signed by Tom Baker AND Patrick Troughton (sp)


I don't know what a fair price would be so I guess make offers.
I can personally vouch for the authenticity of each autograph since
I personally stood in line for each and every one of the buggers.
In fact they are all personalized to me.  The Troughton autograph I got
in Philly or Trenton (I forget) but anywhay it was about 2 or 3 months
before he died.

thanks.....
Bob

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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Voting on r.a.dw resolution; ballot provided; send ballots to sarah@
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 05:54:46 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada
From: mrmuon@next12pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: five doctors
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:21:59 GMT

In article <83wwcp5@tardis.cojones.com> 51-1@tardis.cojones.com (Liz  
driver) writes:
>   this is where the wax dummy of Baker comes in...He was going to be in 

>   They did make a wax dummy of him for pub. shots....so when you see a  
pic
>  of all five doctors standing around together...Baker is made of Wax.

> ....but alas....they have melted down the wax dummy...I think I read  
that they 
> did this a few years ago...what reason..I do not know..
The Wax dummy was borrowed from Madame Tousade's (sp?) wax museum.
I have visited England twice. The first time was in 1981 (I think) and was  
only a matter of mounths after I first discovered Who. I had the  
unexpected pleasure of finding an entire exibit about Dr Who at Madame  
T's. When I visited again in 1986 the exibit was gone but the dummy of Tom  
Baker was standing at the exit. I don't know what became of it after that.

--
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From: NG.LAY@forsythe.stanford.edu (Laurie Yadon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Small report on Who/7 convention in Telford, UK, Oct 31
Date: 9 Nov 1992 13:52:47 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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In article <1992Nov9.180303.13640@ole.cdac.com>,
cfogg@ole.cdac.com (Chad Fogg) writes:
> I attended the Who's Seven (a joint Dr.Who and Blakes 7
> organization in the UK) convention held at the #60/night Telford
> Moathouse, in Telford, about 40 miles west of Birmingham.

[some material deleted]

> I didn't spend much time there, but here are a few noteworthy
> tidbits:

> Colin Baker and Nicola Byrant (sp?) star in a production called
> "The Stranger" which features an alien traveller (Baker) and sidekick
> (Bryant)  with "an unnamed time machine around the corner."  The
> intention is to start where Colin's Doctor left off, yet at the same
> time not violating the BBC copyright. To date, three episodes have
> been produced. Two are already out on video for #10 each. It was the
> hope of the small production crew to have the third in time for
> Christmas, though Baker feels it is now unlikely to make it in time.

The *character* Colin plays is called The Stranger; Nicola's
character is called Miss Brown.  The two videos which are already
available both in the UK and in the U.S. are called SUMMONED BY
SHADOWS and MORE THAN A MESSIAH.  They (the BBC Film Club) have
begun working on a third one, called IN MEMORY ALONE; however,
Colin says that another day and a half of his time will be required
in order to complete the filming.  Since his schedule is solidly
booked throughout the rest of this year -- through January 9th,
actually -- they probably won't be able to finish the filming until
sometime in January.

> UK Gold, a new direct satellite broadcast pay channel, debuted on
> November 1.  Old programs from the ITV and BBC archives will be
> featured, including Dr.Who.  According to Baker, the actor's guild
> is preparing to sue the BBC due to the low royalties UK Gold is
> paying them.

He should know -- he's been an Equity councillor since 1990.

Laurie Yadon
Coordinator/Editor
The Baker Connection
Colin's official American fan club since 1987
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Limits on TARDIS travel (Was Re: The Doctor is...)
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:12:10 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> Sorry-there is a limit.  It limits when a Time Lord can visit Gallifrey. 
> According to something, somewhere (I apologise for forgetting the source), a
> Time Lord cannot travel into the past of Gallifrey.  In other words, he can
> only visit Gallifrey's "now" in his personal timeline.  How they define this is
> beyond me (as is most Gallifreyan technology, I fear) but it's what I remember.
> 
> 
> 
> Bruce Anderson: A tradition of Chaos and Disorder since 1967
> spock@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (unix)	00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp (VAX)
> Don't look at me in that tone of voice!  BSU disclaims me, and I disclaim them.


The trouble is, whatever source you looked up for this, it isn't canon.
It does seem reasonable to assume there is one big bloody law against doing
such a thing, and perhaps one could stretch the definition of "transduction
barrier" to include a temporal wall on Gallifrey's past to ensure that no
Time Lords or any other race (Daleks for example) can attempt to undermine
Gallifrey's history.
Perhaps this barrier did or will fail someday, and thus the point where 
Rassilon comes to power is called "the Time of Chaos."  Pure speculation
on my part this bit, but perhaps here's an interesting point for a story
someday in the future....

Steven.K.Manfred
From: john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (John Ewin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Missing episode list
Date: 9 Nov 92 11:48:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (John Ewin)
Organization: The Batchelor Pad PCBoard ~ Long Beach, CA ~ +1 310 494 8084

ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

>THE MISSING EPISODES  (by story names only)
>
>FIRST DOCTOR - WILLIAM HARTNELL
>
>Season Three
> Galaxy Four (all 4)

I just read that this was recovered, but it's dubbed in Tibetan!
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From: Dave Horlick <drh2@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: The End of Mawdryn
X-Xxdate: Sat, 7 Nov 92 17: 09:25 GMT
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Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:03:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov1.013504.2500@micom.com> Sarah Menolly,
sarah@micom.com writes:
>All right. If the Daleks conquer Terra in the 23rd century, then how
>is humanity and technology able to develop to singular abilities over
>the next ~30,000 years, such that humans (whom the Daleks would wipe
>all over the pavement as inferior organic beings) could build Nova
>Station, to be manned, and later turned into a sleeper ship attacked
>by the Wyrrn? (the Ark in Space).

Well, if we're talking about the First Doctor episode "Invasion of the
Daleks", the answer is that the Earth-folk managed to get themselves
un-conquered through a spirited rebellion. Those pesky Daleks just never
learn.
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From: nsmith@tms390.micro.ti.com (Neal Smith)
Subject: Re: What this sleepy group needs is a TOP TEN LIST
Keywords: I wonder what Romana and Dave would say?
Organization: Texas Instruments, Houston
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:32:29 GMT

timelord@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey JACOBS) writes:

>	From the home office in the Matrix on Gallifrey, we have
>today's top ten list:

>And the NUMBER ONE reason The Doctor and Ace Didn't Run For President
>of the United States:

>1) Afraid the Republicans would dig up information on Lady Painforte's
>Secret.

I liked the rest of the list, but I thought that #1 was kind of lame.
How about,

1) The Doctor has a bad habit of getting elected president and leaving
	before his term is up!

[Reminds me of what several people I know thought would happen with Perot!]

- Neal
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From: hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Scott Hannon; PHYS (GRAD))
Subject: Re: Sophie Aldred's portrayal of the Doctor
Keywords: Ace as the Doctor.
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:39:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.210119.3179@cs.mcgill.ca> timelord@cs.mcgill.ca
(Jeffrey JACOBS) writes:
[deleted a lot]
>Hey, here's a thought for all you Sophie-haters.  What if Doctor Who
>comes back, and the premere episode features the McCoy regeneration, a
>la Time [to get a new] Rani.  Ace has just died, and the Doctor is so
>filled with grief, especially after the series of dreams he had after
>'Survival,' which were novelised into The New Adventures, in which he
>treats Ace like [insert favourite explitive here.], and hence takes on
>her form and personality when he regenerates.  The Eightht Doctor:
>The Pyromanicial Lady!
>
>Picture it:
>
>Doctor:  Hmmmm?  The Master's TARDIS?  *Blow it up!*

Well I don't like Ace, so I guess I'm allowed to respond.
I kind of like the idea, if it developed something like...
   [as above] Ace is dead, and the Doctor feels guilt. Due to whatever
   excuse for his demise, when he regenerates he has the appearance and
   character of Ace. He is now a she. The new Doctor mets up with The
   Master in her first adventure in her new form. Being as the Doctor is
   now fond of explosives, upon finding The Masters Tardis, she decides
   to blow it up.
   [ok, now by bit] Due to the Doctors carelessness, the bomb explodes
   prematurely, causing the Ace-Doctor to be seriously wounded. As the
   Doctor lies dying, she rues having taken on Ace's traits, and forces
   the regeneration to come back as a no nonsense Doctor...someone who
   wouldn't tolerate Ace's nonsense....someone who won't tolerate
   nonsense from anyone. In fact, she's so upset, she regenerates as
   someone who just plain wouldn't tolerate anyone, nonsense or not!
   In other words, Colin Baker returns as the Doctor  ;^)

In summary, TWO Ace deaths (!) in one story (including a politically correct,
socially relevant story about the dangers of home-made explosives!), two
regenerations (!), and a return of an old favorite. There, that ought to
please all the other Ace-dislikers/Colin-likers out there.

Scott.
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From: B.J.Williams@newcastle.ac.uk (Barry Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dates of stories. (was "Daleks taking over Earth" )
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:36:09 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes) writes:

>   22nd century is 2101 to 2200. See Dalek Invasion of Earth (TV version) for
>more info. 2164 I beleive is the date.
>   (BTW Lets not quibble as to whether it's 2100 to 2199 either)

The first version is correct.

>   And on that subject of dates future and past, have you ever noticed how
>often they are nice round numbers away from the date of transmission. eg 50,100
>or 200 years. Let the examples begin...

Okay, I'll bite... :-)

>                               Story     Trans   Difference
>  Dalek Invasion of Earth       2164     1964      +200

   Warriors of the Deep          2084     1984      +100



Barry.
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From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Subject: Re: Dr who anyone?
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:07:22 GMT

In <1992Nov7.161803.3073@micom.com> sarah@micom.com (Sarah Menolly/K.J. Montgomery) writes:

>In article <gate.gsBuTB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> prisoner@infopls.chi.il.us (Pat Mondi) writes:

>>... Who is the most popular Doctor on television? You are correct!
>                ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>Quincy!

No, no, no...
It's Doctor Kildare! ;-)
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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The "cynicism" of Survival, etc
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:00:41 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <16886@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

>There have been lots of comments / flames about the McCoy stories recently,
>mainly talking about how the stories may have been socially relevant, but
>they still hold a deep cynicism about human nature.  People have been talking
>about the lack of morality of stories such as "Survival" as an example of
>how little the characters are cared about.

>Last night, I saw Star Trek III (aka Kirk's Seven) again, and the final
>battle between Kirk and the Klingon commander on the dying Genesis planet
>sparked a few comparisons.

>In "Survival", the Doctor and the Master fight as the planet dies around
>them.  The Doctor is about to deliver a killing blow, but stops and calls
>out to the Master.  The Master attacks him again, as the Doctor screams,
>"If we fight like animals, we'll die like animals" -- and, perhaps by
>asserting this conscious will, he is freed and returns home to the TARDIS.

>In ST3, Kirk and the Klingon are engaged in a similar fight to the death.
>The Klingon slips off the edge of a cliff, and Kirk offers him his hand.
>Like the Doctor, he drops the fight.  But this time, when the Klingon
>continues his attack, Kirk says "I've had about enough of you" and kicks
>the Klingon off the cliff to his death.

>Which story is more cynical?  Which has a greater respect for life or for
>its characters?  Which hero would you rather believe in?

Certainly not Kirk, who's a boor.  I don't recall reading anything about
Survival's cynicism, and I don't recall posting anything, so I wonder whose
postings you've been reading. *I* objected to the McCoy stories because I
thought they were abominable.

Drewcifer
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Voting for ballot is under way;
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:13:31 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <retief.721000464@mchem3.al.iastate.edu> retief@iastate.edu (Jim Miller) writes:
>This(the above) seems to me to be a most incredible amount of bandwidth waste,
>and I for one won't even consider posting, let alone maintaining this
>list.

>)Also, the sheer volume of this (and non-usefulness to anyone that has already 
>)seen it once), suggests to me that monthly is too often, especially if they 
>)are available via FTP.  Posting 3-4 times a year should be plenty.  Best to 
>)correspond to new semesters and quarters starting around the world.

A good compromise -- how about voting on posting a POINTER message containing
this list of contents?  A *faq, in a sense, one message posted monthly to
take the place of all these faq and pifaq (pretty-infrequently-asked-question,
imho) files.  It would refer those interested to the FTP sites / people]
where these resources were available.  God knows, I'd much rather see one
message which tells me where to get an up-to-date club listing than wade
through one every month.  :-)


From: quiz@nemesis.UUCP
Date: 09 Nov 92 20:24 CST
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Quiz 7 Answers - Dr. Who Quote Quiz
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