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From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:10:00 GMT

In article <7223@transfer.stratus.com> nazir@jets.sw.stratus.com writes:



>Raja Dahir of Sindh was known about his SEA PIRATE activities in What we 
>called
>today Arabian Sea. 

Mr. Mohammad bin Qasim was the victor in his attack on Raja Dahir of Sindh,
and thus wrote the history. To justify his attack, he had to come up with
some flaky excuse for launching the attck. "Sea Picacy" was one such
lame excuse. And today, you Mr., a possible descendent of Dahir or his community/nation, are so much sold to your conqueror that you beleive and tout 
his version of lame excuses and are willing to insult your own ancestors. 
Shame on you Mr.  Please try to buy back you soul from whosoever it has been
sold to.


>MEER NAZIR


---raj.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Clinton/Gore '92??!!!! Was Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:34:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.145601.27827@sarah.albany.edu> ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:

[stuff deleted]
>
>**************************************************************************
>*                                   *                                    *
>*  Yasmin Sohrawardy                *                                    *
>*                                   *         Clinton/Gore '92           *
>*  Internet:  ys3359@csc.albany.edu *                                    *
>*                                   *                                    *
>**************************************************************************

I find it surprising that you at least tacitly support Clinton/Gore. 
Saturday was the Islamic day of Ohio and guess who asked to be invited and
actually was? A representative of Clinton/Gore. There were alot of questions
thrown to him and he was a fast talker just like his boss, Clinton.

One of the questions was about the Palestinian issue. He did his diddy about
supporting the peace process that is going on right now. And how Israel should
give the peace process a chance and indirect support for Palestinian autonomy.

The usual bullshit. Lied right through his teeth. In a written statement Clinton
said he would not support the upholding of East Jerusalem as a seperate ethnic
are for Palestinians. Clinton couched ethnic cleansing, Israeli style, in a morepolitical manner.

On the question of Kashmir the representative was hesitant he said that the US
is obligate to make a balancing act and should do as much to contain the 
situation, basically meant that Clinton would keep the status quo in Kashmir.
I feel sorry for Kashmiri people.

It is true that Pres. Bush bobmbed the hell out of Iraq, but there was oil, tell
me which President would not have done so? 

I don't want my taxes raised, especially since I'm on the verge of making mucho
dinero. I don't want a consistently pro-Israeli, anti-Pakistan foreign policy 
the way democrats are so expert in implementing. Perot '92. 

zafar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: husaia@aix.rpi.edu (Atiya Husain)
Subject: Ghazal Time...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:02:29 GMT



For all ghazal lovers, here is a beautiful nazm by Momin.
enjoy.

regard,

Atiya

-------------------------------------------------------

Dar to mujhay kiss ka hay kay main kuch nahin kahta
par haal ye afsha hay kay main kuch nahin khata

kub paas phataknay doon raqeebon ko tumharay
par pass tumhara hay kay main kuch nahin kahta

naasah ko jo chahoon to abhi theek bana doon
par khof khuda ka hay kay main kuch nahin khata

har waqt hay dashna har eik baat main ta'ana
phir iss pay bhi khata hay kay main kuch nahin khata

kuch sun kay jo main chup hoon to tum khatay ho bolo
samjho to ye thora hay kay main kuch nahin khata

Momin ba khuda sayher biani ka jabhi tak
har aik ko ye da'wa hay kay main kuch nahin khata

						(Momin Khan Momin)
----------------------------------------------------

karta hay qatl-a-aam wo aghyaar kay liay
dass beess roz martay hain do chaar kay liay
jee main hay moteeon ke lari uss ko bhayj doon
izhar haal chashm guhar baar kay liay
From: silatman@hls.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: SILAT MAN IS BACK!
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:01:55 GMT


     Assalamualaikum to Everybody!!

       This is to inform all my friends that by the Grace of Allah
subhana talla' I am doing just fine, and I have moved to a new
company. 

       My previous email address was "Khan@Davidsys.com".
       Now, the new email address is "Silatman@hls.com".

       All my friends are urged to send me email so that
I can check out if I am connected properly to the email system.

       New article on "Soul is House of Knowledge" is coming up.
Stay tuned.

                   was salam,    Khalid Khan
                                 408-749-8322
                                 415-966-6107 work
[B
From: onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq)
Subject: re: VIDEO on KASHMIR
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:55:16 GMT

Hi,

last year I heard rumours that an underground video was being distributed
in the UK about KASHMIR. Interviews of Kashmiris who had undergone
atrocities from the indian army were included. Does anyone know where I
can get a copy?
Thanks.
Khalid

*===============================================================*
# Khalid Akram (Lahori)		#				#
# ka@uk.ac.rl.inf		#				#
# Uni. of West England		#				#
# Rutherford Appleton Labs	#				#
# 0235-445867			#				#
*===============================================================*
---------------------------------
I heard many rumors as well.  I also remember reading in the Herald 
Tribune (Washington Edition) that this video and other materials were
being acquired(copies) by Amnesty Int'l, the US State Dept., and the
UN.  I think your best bet might be to call Amnesty Int'l in New
York or London and see what they can do.

Omar
omar.farooq@att.com
From: ahmed@cse.uta.edu (Munib Ahmed)
Subject: New Hempshire dudes ??
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 05:47:47 GMT

	Salaam-alaikum,

	I am thinking about relocating to New Hempshire regarding a job
opportunity up there. I am wondering how costly is living i.e. 
Apartments' rents, utilities, or food etc, as compared to any
southern state like Texas (Where I am currently residing).

	I would also like to know how much extra Taxes (Income-tax,
any other state tax etc) one has to pay in New Hempshire state (I 
have an impression that northern states have much more taxes 
as compared to other states.)

	Other things to know include weather conditions and any
other advantages/disadvantages of living in New Hempshire.


	I will certainly appreciate any "Quick" response in this
regard. PLEASE E-MAIL ME DIRECTLY AT THE ADDRESS BELOW
	DO NOT RESPOND TO SCP AS I DO NOT READ IT THESE DAYS.

Sincerely,


Munib Ahmed
E-Mail:	ahmed@cse.uta.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:25:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.084734.5755@gw.wmich.edu> x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>In article <BvzMLt.74u@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct11.204149.5752@gw.wmich.edu> 894waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>>	The pig does not reproduce like other animals. More than one male pig 
>>                                                        ---------------------- 
>>>uses the same female pig.  
>>  ~~~~---------------------  
>> 
>> To say that Male [Chauvinist?] pigs *USE* female pigs is representative of
>> a real Male Chauvinist [Pig?] attitude. How about saying that each female pig
>> *uses* more than one male [Chauvinist?] pig?
>> 
>>>The father of the child is not known.  This is a
>>>dirty act and no other animals does it.  

>> another of those things that make one go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
>> 
>> I thought the institution of marriage that binds one male to one 
>> (or upto 4) female did not extend much beyond only a majority of 
>> the humans. 
>> 
>
>Dear Brother,
>
>	I think you are talking about Islam and Muslims.  Well, Islam allow a
>man to get wed upto four women if he can do justice among them, . . .

No, Sir. I am not objecting to 1,2,3,4 or more wives/husbands in or out
of Islam. My only point was that the ethics of sexual morality exist in
human society in the shape of the instituiton of marriage. Most other
animals just *Live Together*; they neither go by the formalities of marriage,
nor have to address the issue of sexual morality. 

So, your saying that Pigs engage in sexually amoral behaviour and
are therefore bad, is ridiculous. 


>> While eating lamb chops do you generally worry about the parentage
>> of the lamb and the sexual morality of its biological parents? 
>
>No, because it is not dirty by nature, as pig.
>
>

So, the sexually amoral behaviour is OK by you if the animal
does not eat trash? Nice trade-off eh!


>Your Brother,
>
>Akhtar Waqas.

---raj
From: silatman@hls.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Review of SCP meeting/Next meeting
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:07:13 GMT


                Review of SCP get-together & Next meeting:
                .........................................


     There was a get-together of scp-ians from the San Francisco
south bay area at the house of Tanvir Syed Mohd last Saturday,
Oct. 10. 

     This was the first time I had attended. I was very happy
to meet all who were there, although since each person was
probably new to the other there was some shyness in the beginning.
Yet, the love was evident from the vibes.

     Tanvir surprised me with his talent of cooking. He can
make real honest-to-goodness gulab jamans all by himself.
Also, there were two home-made cakes, and mango ice cream.
Rafay Khan is a pleasant character, no party should be
without him. Other persons were all fine, and in further
meetings we will get to know each other more. 

     On a slightly serious note: it seems Pakistanis have
developed a small flaw when someone is speaking at a gathering.
It is not polite to cut off anyone who is trying to speak
about any point, by turning everything into a joke.
This would mean that you want the person to shut up.
If so what is the purpose of keeping him or her there,
why not show your guest to the door? By the same token,
one who is speaking should not monopolize the conversation.
I guess if we pay attention to these flaws, we can
get rid of them. Proper respect given to all will
make our love more stronger. All in all, a decent get-together.

     I would like to invite all to Shaikh Hisham Kebbani's
Naqshbandiya Sufi center in Los Altos Hills, California,
for our next meeting, on a Thursday evening, starting
at Maghrib, upto Isha'. Meeting features talk by Shaikh Hisham,
prayers and Dhikr, nice food and spiritual consultation.
Date not set yet. Send me email if you are interested.

                regards, Khalid Khan
From: amr7969@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:26:48 GMT
 <92281.105838U43587@uicvm.uic.edu> <1992Oct8.005039.19669@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Reply-To: ARKAY@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU (ABDUR KHAN)
Organization: Mankato State University


>>>AMAAN MIRZA MIAN....I THINK YOU ARE IN THE WRONG SECTION DUDE!
>>>THIS IS CULTURE OF PAKISTAN, WHICH IS AN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC NOT A 
   NATION OF BEER DRINKING JERKS LIKE YOU!!SORRY FOR THE OFFENSIVE BEHAVIOUR
>>>BUT YOUR NONSENSE POSTINGS ARE DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!
>>>>			<KoOL>>

In article <1992Oct8.005039.19669@leland.Stanford.EDU>, arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
> In article <92281.105838U43587@uicvm.uic.edu> <U43587@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> 
>>>        You forgot to mention that we make one of the finest beer.
>>>        This is my opinion after living in Germany (a beer drinking country)
>>>        for several years. This beer factory near Muree has survived
>>>        atleast 3 burnings by the fundamentalists. It is pity that
>>>        we are not promoting this sector. It can create lot of local
>>>        jobs and foreign exchange. Some parts of Pakistan are also
>>>        ideal to produce wines.
>>>
>>>Mirza Ilyas
>>
>>Hey Br. Mirza Ilyas at first in Re: Asian model in a white world you ask
>>us about what the Quraan says about modeling.  Now you state that Pak beer
>>is the best tasting.  Am I stupid or what but Muslim's don't drink!
> 
> Maybe the line should read " muslims cant drink! " but we are not supposed
> to a alot of other things as well .......................
> 
> sahibzada rafay khan [ waiting for a tanker full of oj]
> 
>>
>>That just goes to show where the Paks of the world are taking Pak, down
>>the gutters of Sadar & Lalukaith in the Worlds best metropolitan smog city
>>Karachi ( I would assume, right Mr. Ilyas _ i refuse to take you as my Brother
>>since you have reverted to drinking german beer.)
>>
>>
>>DA PAKS FOR A BEERIER PAK
>>MAY THE BEST WINE COME FROM THE BEAUTIFUL VINEYARDS OR WINEYARDS OF PAK.
> 
>
From: x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:43:15 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Oct12.152834.983@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct11.204149.5752@gw.wmich.edu>, 894waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>> 
>>> 	The pig does not reproduce like other animals.  More than one male pig 
>>> uses the same female pig.  The father of the child is not known.  This is a
>>> dirty act and no other animals does it.  
>>
> 
> Dear Akhtarji,
> 
> Let us leave the animals alone from religious moralizing. Religion has 
> always been meant for the humans and we really aren't knowledgeable 
> enough to understand animal morals. As long as they are meant to be
> eaten, it really makes no difference what their sexual nature is. 
> 
> In the case of bees, several drones attempt to fertilize the queen bee which
> is responsible for all the egg production. By your logic, bees are impious
> insects and therefore we must not eat honey either. 
> 
> The fact is that the injunction "swine is prohibited" must have arisen 
> because prophet Mohammed was wise/experienced enough to see that pigs 
> in his environment were wild creatures and carriers of several disease. 
> Whether he passed on this injunction out of his own experience or on the 
> basis of Allah's message can be debatable.  If it was his own experience,
> then we must not apply this injunction blindly even when the conditions 
> have changed dramatically.  
> 
> Anyway, speaking of moralizing animals, I noticed in India some sadhus 
> training monkeys to pray at temples. Man...Religion has gone bananas!
> 
> regards,
> E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.


Dear Brother Gopal, 

	I agree with you, but I did not bring up the issue, I was only
discussing prohibition of swine but my dear brother raised an objection which I
had to answer.

Your Brother,

Akhtar Waqas.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: aq0@engr23.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Subject: Re: Attention Faud Enver @TRMETU.TURKEY.....
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:01:38 GMT

mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL) writes:

>In article <1992Oct7.194151.28648@engr.uark.edu>, aq0@engr.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi) writes...
>>Faud
>> 
>>i tried to contact you by sending you an email reply,
>>but each time it failed,...
>> 
>> 
>>amer qureshi- 
>
>     I think Faud Enver is in Lahore, I met in personally a week ago, he 
>intends to 
>     stay there for a month of so at least, (assuming we are talking about
>the same Faud Enver of Turkey )
>
>A.M
>
>[S.Disclaimer]
>

but he just emiled few days ago....

well lets wait for him to say any thing about it.

amer-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: rajiv@me.uta.edu (Rajiv Chakravarti)
Subject: A GHAZAL BY MOMIN KHAN MOMIN ........
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:47:10 GMT

Hello friends, 	

	Here's a very beautiful ghazal by Momin Khan Momin. I'm posting
this on the request of a fellow netter. Hope you enjoy this.

=====================================================================

	royaa karenge aap bhi pehroN isi tarah
	aTkaa kaheeN jo aap ka dil bhi meri tarah
[[ pehroN = for a long time, from hindi "prahar" ]

	aata naheeN hai woh to kisi dhab se daav meiN
	banti naheeN hai milne ki uske koi tarah
[[ daav meiN aana = to obtain something ]]

	tashbeeH kis se dooN ke tarahdaar ki mere
	sab se niraali vazh hai sab se nayi tarah
[[ tashbeeh = comparison/similarity; tarahdaar = charm, beauty;
   vazh = condition, composition ]]

	mar chuk kaheeN ke tu gham-e-hijraaN se chooT jaaye
	kehte to haiN bhale ki woh, lekin buri tarah
[[ hijraN = separation ]]

	ne taab hijr meiN hai, na aaraam vasl meiN
	kambaKht dil ko chain naheeN hai kisi tarah
[[ taab = peace,  patience; vasl = meeting, reunion ]]
	
	lagti hai gaaliyaaN bhi tere munh se kya bhali
	qurbaan tere phir mujhe keh le isi tarah

	paamaal hum na hote faqat jor-e-charKh se
	aayi hamari jaan pe aafat kayi tarah
[[ paamaal = to get crushed; charKh = wheel; aafat = calamity ]]

	ne jaaye vaaN bani hai na bin jaaye chain hai
	kyaa keejiye hameN to hai mushkil sabhi tarah
[[ vaaN = vahaaN, there ]]

	ma'ashooq aur bhi haiN bataa de jahaan meiN
	karta hai kaun zulm kisi par teri tarah ?
[[ ma'ashooq = beloved ]]

	hooN jaaN-balab butaan-e-sitamgar ke haath se
	kya sab jahaaN meiN jeete hai MOMIN isi tarah ?
[[ jaaN-balab = on the verge of death, butaaN = idol of worship ]]
	
	
=====================================================================

Regards,
Rajiv [ kabhi hum bhi tum bhi the' aashna, tumheN yaad ho ke na yaad ho ]

	
--
=====================================================================
Rajiv Chakravarti
Dept. of Aerospace Engineering
University of Texas at Arlington

rajiv@utacfd.uta.edu                             rajiv@me.uta.edu
=====================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: Modern Education is Misleading
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 00:33:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.121754.688@hls.com> silatman@hls.com writes:
>
>
>    I see a few people on the net who are under the influence
>of "modern" education system which is based on a foundation
>that denies the Test presented by Allah swt, and wants to make
>everything ongoing and Uncertain, thus producing "graduates"
>who deep inside start denying Islam, and even mocking it
>with "scientific" theories.

Why blame the modern education system ? An education system teaches 
you history, medicine, philosphy etc. It opens one mind and makes
human being think and analyse.

Men have always tried to deny the existince of God. And religion
has always tried to suffocate science.Isn't that suprising, religion
initially came as a progressive movement but as time progressed became
obsseesed with preserving there idea of the universe. From the sun being
center of the galaxy to more recent fatwa's about the moon landing.
>
>    What "science" do you people keep talking about. The human
>beings do not yet perceive the complete set of logics which
>govern the universe. They do not have the permission. What
>is presented to them is a test, so that Allah swt can see
>who is obedient and who is not. 

Allah will be last judge, but what has this got to do with
science. Humans have an enquiring mind and that is why they are
here. Make sure you fully belive in God not because other people 
tell you, but because you have faith in God.

>
>    You can attend colleges and universities for
>more knowledge but never become arrogant and challenge
>the validity of the Quran and the Sunnah, and 
>the teachings of the Awliya Ikram. Unfortunately, today's
>education system indoctrinates you in becoming Uncertain,
>and the end-product is a bunch of people who think
>they know the process with which to analyze the universe.
>

True, complete knowledge in any area is impossible, but to
stop educating yourself because it might make you Uncertain is a very uncertain situation to be in.

sahibzada rafay khan []
From: nsiddiqu@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (najeeb siddiqui)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Urdu Markaz in Boston area...
Keywords: Urdu Markaz
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:24:36 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University

I wanted to know if there is anything like Urdu Markaz or Urdu society in the
Boston area....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: raza@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed)
Subject: test
Organization: DA&MRL, Engineering, UWO, London Ont. CA
Distribution: uwo
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:58:52 GMT


test


--

S.R.Raza.
raza@surya.engrg.uwo.ca

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:47:00 GMT

In article <1avctiINNjt4@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali) writes...
>>>>Is this really true?
> 
>The answer is simple. NO. Pakistan is not under Islamic law.
>Anyone who claims otherwise is telling you a bold lie.
> 
	What about the shariat laws?

>>	You forgot to mention that we make one of the finest beer.
> 
>It is a matter of taste, I suppose.  Most people I know who have
>tasted European beers usualy spit out their first sip of Muree Brew,
>and make comments about the taste of saccharin and watered down bodily
>fluids of sick animals :) :)
> 
>>	This is my opinion after living in Germany (a beer drinking country) 
>>	for several years. This beer factory near Muree has survived
>>	atleast 3 burnings by the fundamentalists. It is pity that
>>	we are not promoting this sector. It can create lot of local
>>	jobs and foreign exchange. Some parts of Pakistan are also
>>	ideal to produce wines.
>>
>Mirza Sahib,  I have a better idea for you to make money.  Why not
>take Pakistan the Thai route.  Sell hoards of our bibi's to German
>tourists.  Consider:
> 
>It will be closer for the Germans to fly over.
>The Aids apedemic is really not threatening to decimate the country -- yet.
>A bigger supply of pubersent girls than hops and grapes.
>The fundamentalists :) are not in the habit of burning whore-houses -- only
>	brewries.
>Think of all the money you will make.
>Higher taxes on beer in Pakistan than whoring.
> 
>And reason no ONE:
>
	This I will leave to YOU and some of your muslim brothers from
	bangladesh, India (probabily pakistan as well) and the
	rich MUSLIM seikhs from middle east.
> 
>Babes, babes, babes!
> 
>>Mirza Ilyas
> 
>j n a.
>and oh, :) :) :) :) :) :)

	[Cool down brother! Hamam may sub nungay!]
Mirza Ilyas