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From: wbralick@afit.af.mil (Will Bralick)
Subject: Re: Social (in)Security (was: Re: Chelsea's school ...)
Organization: Self-similar
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:49:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.180054.14308@leland.Stanford.EDU> kellyj@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kelly Johnson) writes:
| In article <1993Jan8.185408.5547@afit.af.mil> wbralick@afit.af.mil (Will Bralick) writes:
| >
| >I would phase in a replacement for social security that would be a true
| >annuity and would represent real property for the future social security 
| >recipient.  I guess that I would maintain mandatory participation in the
| >program, otherwise those who pull out today might well be back in 40
| >years with their palms up and a demand for their ``fair share.''
| >
| 
| I guess saying "Sorry, you made your decision years ago...Accept
| responsibility for your actions is just tooooo politically incorrect"????

Well, I think that it would not work in practice.  Didn't Ben Franklin say
something to the effect once that if the people learned they could vote
themselves bread and circuses it would be the beginning of the end for
our democracy?

Regards,

-- 

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From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: Lifestyle Choices (was  Re: Sexuality)
Date: 06 Jan 93 22:26:31 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1993Jan5.171937.18040@umr.edu> asparrow@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Angelia Sparrow) writes:
>
>Incest taboos come about because we are an individualized
>society.  Human children establish bonds of trust with the
>adult caretakers.  Incest violates this trust.

    I thought that incest taboos developed because closely
related people who reproduce tend to have babies with
genetic abnormalities.


>The age of consent is a human invention because in other
>species no female is mounted until she has reached sexual
>maturity and gone into estrus.  Only humans rape their sexually
>immature children.  (However, by this logic the age of
>consent should be 12-13, menerarche.)

     How do we determine age of consent for males using this
system?

				-Phil
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From: mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: School Choice (was Chelsea's school)
Followup-To: alt.rush-limbaugh
Date: 8 Jan 1993 22:11:39 GMT
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In article <h9!379=@rpi.edu>, root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon) wrote:
[ravings deleted]

> I think "tenure" is the biggest joke in education.
> You have commit a felony to get terminated. Name another profession
> that practices this.


Politics?


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From: rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston)
Subject: Re: Why the "argument from Nature" matters
Reply-To: rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:18:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.182825.4274@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
>In article <1ihlbiINNcq1@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>> gsmith@polyhymnia.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes:
>> > The most fundamental and pervasive *intellectual* reason why Western
>> > civilization regarded homosexuality as evil in the first place stemmed
>> > from the idea that it was unnatural, and the reason it was thought to
>> > be unnatural was that animals were thought to seldom or never engage
>> > in homosexual behavior.  This line of thinking goes back to the Greek
>> > philosophers, and when combined with the idea that God created nature
>> > in a certain way, and that God had explicitly prohibited homosexuality
>> > because of its unnaturalness (as Paul apparently thought), we find the
>> > intellectual basis for the wide-spread aversion to homosexuality.
>> 
>> I didn't think of it as "unnatural" because "animals don't do it".  
>> Animals do lots of things that would be 'inappropriate' for people; 
>> if a male co-worker started humping my leg, for example...;-).
>> It's more a matter of how the cycle of life works in nature; sex 
>> is the veichle that keeps the cycle of life going.  It is an instinctive, 
>> "natural" part of nature.  
>
>As opposed to the "unnatural" parts of nature?
>
>One cannot have a reasonable discussion without agreeing on the
>meanings of the terms used.  If I understand you correctly, "natural"
>means "that which keeps the cycle of life going."  In that case, oral
>sex, kissing, dieting, reading, dancing, and posting to Usenet are all
>unnatural, while rape and procreation starting at menarche are
>natural.  While this definition may be of some academic interest, I
>don't think it does anything for this discussion.
>
>Read what Gene said.  People are *still* posting here that "you never see
>homosexuality in animals," so that *is* what they mean.
>
>Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com

Evelyn, you miss the point. Walter is either illiterate, or he simply
refuses to read.

Robert Johnston


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From: karl@anasazi.com (Karl Dussik)
Subject: Re: Protection for homosexuals *is* valid (Was "Colorado Amendment2 Query")
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:02:02 GMT

In article <10JAN199301241456@zeus.tamu.edu> rlc1028@zeus.tamu.edu writes:
>	Sexual orientation defines what gender you're attracted to,
>and nothing more.  It does not define one's practises, or one's other
>sexual preferences.

I guess I'm just naive - why is the word "orientation" restricted to gender
in this context?  Is that a legal definition, a PC definition, or what?
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From: young@ssdd475a.erim.org (Peter Young)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment2 Query
In-reply-to: greg_bradt@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com's message of 04 Jan 93 20:25:05 GMT
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
	<1993Jan4.152505.22773@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com.mrg.uswest.com>
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:48:48

In article <1993Jan4.152505.22773@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com.mrg.uswest.com> greg_bradt@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com (Greg Bradt aka The Lensman) writes:

>   As you can see, the amendment was cleverly phrased to imply that it prevents
>   gays from acquiring special rights, but if you exclude the filler, you get:

>   Colorado...shall not adopt any statute...whereby homosexual...practices or
>   relationships...shall entitle any person... to claim of discrimination.

Thank you, Greg.  So in Colorado, as I read it, an employer can say to
anyone, gay or not, "I will not hire you because you are homosexual,"
and there is absolutely no recourse in the law for that person.
Hmmm.... I wonder if we will see a mysterious increase in the number
of black, Jewish or female gays in Colorado.  It oughtta work.

So just how does this 'level the playing field' as has been claimed?

Anyone?
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From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: Chelsea's school ...
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:35:21 GMT

mike@execu.execu.com (Mike McCants) writes:
>Nathan Engle writes:
>>That's her solution. Just do it. One kid at a time.

>And what percentage of the $4000/kid does she get?

    She gets a flat rate which is not based on the number of students 
she teaches.

>Wouldn't smaller classes help?

    Her class sizes have ranged from 20 to 30 for the last couple years. 
30 is probably too many, but 20 is fine.

>Wouldn't higher pay attract an even larger number of dedicated teachers?

    Maybe. I'm not holding my breath for either higher pay or for the 
crowds of dedicated teachers they would presumably attract.

>>Please 
>>don't sabotage her hard work in your hurry to shut down the "rat pits and 
>>cesspools".

>No one's in a hurry and I never used those words.  (But anything
>that fit that description ought to be shut down.)

    The "rat pits and cesspools" is a paraphrase of the terms that Will 
Bralick has been using to describe public schools.

>What about the "average" teacher teaching "average" students?

    Trot your "average" teacher out for me, and I'll have more to say. Of 
the teachers I know (and I've met hundreds in my time) I would have to say 
that the vast majority were just as dedicated as my Mom.

>It's not fair to claim the "system" is ok because there are some
>good teachers successfully teaching some students.

    Nor is it fair to claim that the system is irreparably flawed because 
there are some bad students who can't be taught anything by anybody. Is 
that not what you and Will Bralick are doing?

>The sixth-graders didn't seem to be doing so well before she started
>helping.  Is this really the "system" you want to perpetuate?

    No, the system I want to perpetuate is the one in the real world in 
which problems like that one get spotted and solved.

>One in which certain individuals do more than their share and don't get
>much credit for it?

    The 6th grade teachers in this case happened to be excellent science 
and math teachers. During the times my mom took their classes they took 
hers.

>Why should the other teachers improve? Their students test scores are 
>going up now.

    For now that's true, but there's little doubt over what caused the 
change.

>Their jobs are not on the line. The principal knows all this (I assume), 
>but he has no power to do anything.

    The principal does know all that and it was on his authority that the 
change was made. He *has* the power. He did what was necessary to fix the 
problem. What more do you want?

>I hereby promise to go away and not post any more for a long time.

    Farewell, then. I look forward to your return.

--
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Psychology Department               Indiana University
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From: mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz)
Subject: Re: Bob Hooker's possibly
Organization: Portal Communications Company
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 14:55:00 GMT

Laurel Schippers (laurel.schippers@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us) wrote:
: MMS>|The most extrememe militant feminists do share a lot with nazi-ism.
: MMS>|Promoting abortion for abortion's sake is very common with Genocide.
: MMS>|And there's clear and frequently quoted feminist writings that indicate
: MMS>|these feminists believe in a superior race - women.
: 
: Really? Can you name them? I'm curious as to how these psycho-women
: who love the idea of having their uterii vacuumed have managed to
: delude millions of women.
: 

Really.  But I refuse to drag in the names of talk.abortion posters.  You
judge for yourself who I am talking about.  If you have an anti-abortion
position, those people come out of the woodwork and get in your face.
I have had my experience trying to have any kind of intelligent conversation
with them.  Rush Limbaugh has plenty of names and examples of the idiots
he deals with from time to time.  Listen.


: Interesting. You offer vague statements about unnamed feminist "Nazis"
: who supposedly love gratuitous abortion, but you demand written proof
: that Buchanan is anti-Semitic.
: 
: Abortion is a surgical procedure. Why any ultra-feminist would recommend
: a very uncomfortable surgery to women is beyond me.

Who said anything about recommending abortions?  By keeping adequate information
from being distributed, a lot of abortions happen that shouldn't.  Don't
bother posting back, as we don't have much to discuss.


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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: The Washington HillBillies :) Re: Chelsea's school ...
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:11:05 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In a very good article,
rww@mugwump.cl.msu.edu (Richard W. Wiggins) writes:
@The point is that the
@Clintons are a family who want the best for their daughter
@and at the same time he is a President-elect who understands
@that a voucher system is an excuse for destroying public 
@education in this country.  

@Try another analogy: do you think someone who supports soup 
@kitchens for the poor is hypocritical if he ever eats at a
@nice restaurant?

Well, Bill already did that over Thanksgiving. Remember "George Bush was
on vacation in his nice Kennebunkport home while President-elect Bill
Clinton was volunteering his time in a soup kitchen"? More about this in
a second.

@Face it -- you refuse to look at the Clintons as a real human 
@family who face personal choices as well as political goals.
@You're out to attack Bill Clinton whenever you see an opening.

Of course we are. Wasn't that the case with Reagan and Bush for the past
12 years (and Quayle and Kennedy and Carter and so on)?

The only problem I have is that the Clintons' decisions on their personal
goals have in some way been framed in a political context, either
initially in their decision-making or after the fact. It doesn't make
sense when "political viability" is a cited cause for requesting a
deferment from draft status (please correct me since I don't think I'm
completely accurate here). Almost everything Bill did was to communicate
an image that he was "a product of America's middle class. And when I am
your president, you will be forgotten no more." (acceptance speech) Many
of his photo ops were to be seen with young people (MTV, Arsenio Hall),
the working class (bus trip through the Midwest), the poor (bus trips
and Thanksgiving), the wealthy and powerful (economic summit). He has
created an image successfully in a political campaign as the "New
Age Democrat." And that is part of the criticism that many have against
this "decision."
	The HillBillies now in the White House have made so many choices
to attain their political goals that have been so interwoven with what
was perceived as "personal" that it is difficult to tell which is which.

-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck	eyc@acpub.duke.edu	BSE in BME in 1993
"I'll be back!  You can't keep the Democrats out of the White House
forever.  And when they get in... I'll be back on the streets!  With all
my criminal buddies! BA-HAHAHAHAHA!" -SideShow Bob, The Simpsons.
From: bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu (Bob Rahe)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Chelsea's school ...
Date: 8 Jan 1993 03:57:13 GMT
Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College
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In article <nate.1037@psygate.psych.indiana.edu> nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
>
>    If they're not interested in taking advantage of the opportunity in 
>public schools, why is it going to be any different when they transfer 
>over to private schools? The public schools have their problems, but I 
>don't think that lack of motivation or placing a low value on education 
>is one of them. The values school children carry into the classroom have 
>a definite tendency to reflect the values that the parents display at 
>home, and I'm not convinced that unmotivated kids are going to be any 
>better students in private classrooms than they are now in public ones.

  But the unmotivated won't be transferring, in general, if they reflect
the values of the parents as you infer.  Why would the parents move them?
So the motivated ones are teh ones that move and now have a chance, away
from the disruptive atmosphere of the unmotivated who are there only because
they have to be.

>    I'm sure it would go a long way. I would imagine that the gap between 
>public and private schools would become even more pronounced, and with the 
>departure from public schools of the last students who really care I would 
>imagine that the peer group values in public schools would become even 
>worse than they are now. I certainly can't argue with the fact that it 
>would result in change, but I'm not sure that I would call it progress.

  At which point you shut down the public school and make school optional.
Ever notice what happens when you make something mandatory?  The public
schools have a captive source of income and a captive audience.  What is the
incentive to perform?  

  The argument that everyone would desert the public schools if given the
choice is hardly one I would expect to hear from someone who seems to be
>defending< them!  Damning with >no< praise rather than faint praise!

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From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clarence Thomas
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:07:42 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz) writes:
: Laurel Schippers (laurel.schippers@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us) wrote:
: : 
: : Um, "one or two" years as a judge does not a Justice make. There were
: : plenty of qualified jurists (such as Edith Jones) who were passed
: : over, mysteriously, for Thomas. A position as a political appointee
: : at a regulatory agency, which deals with ONE AREA of the law,
: : doesn't provide much background.  A qualified Justice ought to
: : have a good deal of real legal experience.
: : 
: : Oh, and the ABA barely found Thomas qualified. He didn't get a very
: : high rating at all.
: 
: BULLSHIT.
: 
: : ---
: : ---
Well, you're entitled to say Bullshit all you want- it's in the
constitution- but the fact is, Thomas received a much lower 
ABA rating than any sitting justice; almost all nominees receive
the ABA's "Well Qualified" endorsement, as well they should, since
we're talking about the highest judicial position in the land;
Thomas was reported as "Qualified"; no sitting justice has failed
to earn a "Well Qualified" rating since at least 1970.  Further,
Thomas received two "Not Qualified" votes from the ABA's fifteen
member board, a very rare occurence indeed.
My source is _Congressional Quarterly Weekly Report_, v.49, July-
Sept. 1991, pg. 2360.  What's yours?

Bill   
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From: wbralick@afit.af.mil (Will Bralick)
Subject: Chelsea's school ...
Keywords: school choice, hypocrisy
Organization: Self-similar
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:03:31 GMT


Well, Miss Chelsea Clinton will avoid going to public school this 
year by virtue of her parents' money and connections.  As Mr. Limbaugh 
pointed out today, Gov. Clinton opposes school choice for middle and 
lower class people, but not members of his own economic class.


Regards,

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Subject: Re: Why the "argument from Nature" matters
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 03:12:24 PST
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twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

> In article <1ihlbiINNcq1@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) 
> 
> >It's more a matter of how the cycle of life works in nature; sex 
> >is the veichle that keeps the cycle of life going.  It is an instinctive, 
> >"natural" part of nature.  
> 
> So is murder.

Good Point, but murder is murder no matter how you do it,
the same isn't true for sex, since there is a right way
to do it and then there are the homosexuals, bestialitists,
rapists, perverts and it gets worse....  :)


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From: bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu (Bob Rahe)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Sexuality
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:46:52 GMT
Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College
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In article <1993Jan8.111923.1101@calmasd.prime.com> jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop) writes:

>The reason that the number of AIDS cases continues to increase is lack
>of education about how the virus is spread.  The federal government

  Gee, and I thought you only got AIDS from certain specific practices, hmmm.
Better let the Surgeon General know, now you can get it from lack of 
education.

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