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From: cac@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Christopher A. Cox)
Subject: WANTED:  Info on reviving old SoftPC copy...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:12:05 GMT

	I recently bought a very old copy of SoftPC, v1.1 for the Sun 3.
It was cheap, but I called Insignia Solutions for the validation
password (it's given based on hostid of the machine you plan to run the
software on) and find it's no lonegr supported that far back.  The
fellow I spoke with was quite helpful and would allow me to upgrade to
the latest SPARC version but I don't have the cash for that just now and
I'd like to make this one work.  Could someone out there, perhaps an
Insignia employee with a long memory, tell me how I might get this thing
going?  As I say, upgrading is what I would do but I haven't the money
now, so if someone out there can still generate the appropriate password
I'd be very thankful.

						Thanks...
						Chris

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted
From: mike@hernix.org (Mike Herman)
Subject: shoebox wanted
Organization: Michael A. Herman Software
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:39:16 GMT

I'm in need of a "shoebox" for my Sun 3/50 diskless wonder.
This is my first Sun, so it needs to "plug and play" for me.
I have 4.1.1 on QIC-24 tapes.  I'm also a part-time hacker, not a
big spender commercial enterprise.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted
From: len@netsys.com (Len Rose)
Subject: 4/300 cpu boards and ALM II's
Summary: Need this stuff
Keywords: Sun
Organization: Netsys Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 07:45:59 GMT


Looking for used 4/300 cpu boards working and non-working.. Late revision levels only
please. Also looking for ALM II boards..

Looking to buy any large Sun server equipment/peripherals.

Len

(use the number below, mail is somewhat flakey until we integrate 3-4 T1's in the next
 week..)


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From: hannani@ee.fit.edu (Shoaib Hannani)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted
Subject: Sun microphone applications
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:09:06 GMT
Organization: Florida Tech, CP/EE Dept.

Is there anyone out there who would like to share source file(s)( C code )
which would access the SUN audio port using the standard SUN microphone.
I am interested in applications such as Speech Processing/Recognition. Would
appreciate any related information. Please e-mail me at hannani@ee.fit.edu.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted,misc.forsale.computers
From: cornhead@netcom.com
Subject: SPARCstation 2 clone MB, $1300 + SS1+ MB
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:05:47 GMT


I thought $1400 would do it but so far only have an "I'll think about 
it" from a guy with an SS1..... I am looking for a 1+ and a quick sale!

I bought this SS2 compatible motherboard a few weeks ago to upgrade 
my SS1. It's nice and all but it hasn't won me any new friends or 
improved my luck with the opposite sex. I think I can live with an 
SS1+ motherboard and could use the cash. 

This board turns in 40000 dhrystones as opposed to 20000 for my SS1 
or 250000 for my roomate's IPC. I ran some version of the 
linpack test on this SS2 board and came up with 3.57 Mflops as I recall. 
Speed of compilation, fractal, and rendering performance are the most 
dramatic improvements I've noticed. 

I have had no software compatability problems. I just swapped motherboards 
and the system came up just fine. Openwindows 2.0 and Sunvision 1.1 under 
it run just fine, no warnings or mysterious happenings. I am running 4.1.2 
with a GX and fax/modem s-bus card. I hear it is a trace-for-trace clone 
of Sun's SS2, liscensed from Sun. 

I am asking for $1300 cash and an SS1+ motherboard in trade. Who knows? In a 
week I might even be open to offers!

E-mail me if you're interested. Thanks. 

-cornhead

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted,misc.forsale.computers
From: cornhead@netcom.com (Jeff Miller)
Subject: SPARCstation 2 compatible MB, $1400 + SS1+ MB
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:28:03 GMT


I bought this SS2 compatible motherboard a few weeks ago to upgrade 
my SS1. It's nice and all but it hasn't won me any new friends or 
improved my luck with the opposite sex. I think I can live with an 
SS1+ motherboard and could use the cash. 

This board turns in 40000 dhrystones as opposed to 20000 for my SS1 
or 250000 for my roomate's IPC. I ran some version of the 
linpack test on this SS2 board and came up with 3.57 Mflops as I recall. 
Speed of compilation, fractal, and rendering performance are the most 
dramatic improvements I've noticed. 

I have had no software compatability problems. I just swapped motherboards 
and the system came up just fine. Openwindows 2.0 and Sunvision 1.1 under 
it run just fine, no warnings or mysterious happenings. I am running 4.1.2 
with a GX and fax/modem s-bus card.

I am asking for $1400 cash and an SS1+ motherboard in trade. This with no 
SIMMS involved in the swap. Involving SIMMS to 28 megs is possible. 

E-mail me if you're interested. Thanks. 

-cornhead
From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Broken SPARCPrinter
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:18:19 GMT
Organization: cic

bengt@mathematik.uni-Bremen.de (Bengt Martensson) writes:

>Sooo, can anyone help us with suggestions on the following:

>1. Any experience on similar hardware problems?

>2. Any firm in Germany who can repair or can get spare parts?

SunExpress (in the Netherlands) sells spare parts for the
SPARCprinter. Get their catalog. (But I'm at a loss to say
which spare part applies to your problem.)

>3. Does anyone have a broken Sparcprinter with the outfeed rolls
>intact, and would be willing to sell them to us?

>4. Anything else (including what to do with that particular user...)
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From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SUN Processors Speeds Question???
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:34:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>The mapping between model number and speed is complex and variable.  For
>example, I think all systems using the original 68020 CPU board (I think
>the 3/75, 3/140, 3/160, and 3/180) had a 16.67MHz CPU, but the FPU speed
>started out at 12(?)MHz until full-speed FPUs were available.  Analogous
>upgrades in mid-production-run may well have occurred in more recent
>models too.

So where does that put the 3/50 and 3/60

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From: matkins@cisco.com (Mathew Atkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: console servers and the break key.
Date: 30 Sep 1992 21:57:21 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Menlo Park, California, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: regal.cisco.com

If this is a FAQ, my apologies.

I am going to implement a console server, and would like to insure that
any change in state of the server will not cause my systems to halt.
I have a copy of a paper by Hal Stern that describes a circuit to do this.
I have two questions:

1) is this circuit commercialy available, where?
2) this does not inhibit the break key functionality, does it?


Thanks in advance-
Mat Atkins
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Asynchronous SCSI on 4.1.3
Keywords: SCSI, 4.1.3
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:32:34 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Sep26.170045.1924@ukw.uucp> lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph) writes:
| The message you are probably referring to is
| 	esp0:   Target 3 now Synchronous at 4.0 mb/s max transmit rate
| 			     ^^^^^^^^^^^
| or something similar.
| 
| This refers to the SCSI transfer method (synchronous, ie clocking is
| used rather than handshake), and the speed used. (I'm putting this
| *very* simplistically.)
| 
| Yes, this message has been removed due to problems with several
| devices that made the message appear over and over, e.g. the
| Exabyte EXB-8500. There is a patch to SunOS 4.1.2 that also
| suppresses this message.

All that does is stop worrying people when there is a real problem
though...  Sync only has to renogiated after a SCSI bus reset, or
similar 'unusual' condition.  So something is sick on the SCSI bus if
you need to renegotiate sync frequently.  Much better to let people
know than to hide it.
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From: lindsey@zach.fit.edu ( Steve Lindsey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: support for Wangtek 1/4" tape drive
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:07:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: winnie.4262
Distribution: na
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne USA

Does anyone know if and how a Wangtek 5525ES 1/4" tape drive works with a
SUN SPARC running SunOS 4.1.x?  This is a ~525MB scsi tape drive sold with
Banyan systems.

Please reply via email if possible.

Many thanks!

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From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: 3/260 power consumption
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:04:18 GMT
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine

Here is a point of reference:

I have a sun 3/160 with the following configuration.

o  24-bit color frame buffer
o  graphics accelerator
o  vme scsi card
o  three 4-meg ram cards
o  16 MHz cpu card w/ 4 meg ram, mono video buffer
o  wangtek 60 meg tape & emulex scsi converter card
o  two 5-1/4" HDUs and & emulex esdi -> scsi converter card
o  sun-4 keyboard & mouse

The system above draws around 660-670 watts when it is sitting
idle.  When the drives are actively seeking, consumption appears to
be 50-100 watts greater.  I measured the consumption with a two
coil wattmeter that indicates VIcos(phase angle) or watts
delivering real power.  I don't have an ammeter that is hefty
enough for the job to measure the absolute value of I, but I
suspect that the phase angle is farily large owing to the capacitor
input nature of the power supply (1.5 KVA) running at about 50%
output.  Thus, the current drawn from the line may have a large
reactive component and could be as much as 8 to 10 amps absolute.
The reactive power circulates in the power system, but does not
deliver energy to the load.  The reactive power must none the less
be generated and transmitted.  One is not directly billed for
reactive power, as standard power meters do not totalize reactive
power.  The power company does, however, factor in a power-factor
in billing that presumes an average phase angle for average
residential load.  In this case you win out, as residential load
does not normally have a large phase angle.  Corporate users are
often tested for phase angle and watched carefully by the electric
utility due to the large magnitudes of their loads.

Add to the above a 19 inch Hitachi color monitor, and one has the
makings of environmentally irrepsonsible computing!  Not to mention
expensive:  With the monitor off, the system will consume $47.88
worth of electricity per month (presuming ~$.10 per KWH)!

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Rootstown, OH  44272-9995  USA    phone: 216-325-2511
wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu   (140.220.1.1)
From: wilfred@rtmrd1.crd.neddata.nedlloyd.nl (Wilfred Mollenvanger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: HELP! Micropolis CST24M-SCT problem
Summary: need format.dat parameters for Micropolis CST24M-SCT disk
Keywords: disk micropolis format format.dat newfs
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:24:55 GMT
Organization: R&D dep. of Neddata / Nedlloyd

We've got a problem formatting our hard disk, it's a Micropolis
CST24M-SCT disk (MD21 SCSI).

The problem that we don't have the correct format.dat parameters for
the disk. After formatting and labeling the newfs program gives a
write error... 

According to the messages we get at boot time the disks geometry is bad:
"label says 4094076 but drive says 3791570" or something like that. 

Could anyone please email the format.dat parameters for this disk?

Thanx, Wilfred.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2.0 to support Sun 386i???
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:16:40 GMT

In article <343@ftms.UUCP> brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
:In article <1992Sep27.162846.15292@samba.oit.unc.edu> Bob.Smith@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bob Smith) writes:

:<First, does Sun intend to specifically (or perhaps generically) support
:<the 386i?
:
:As I understand it, Solaris 2.0 will not operate on the 386i.  It will only
:operate on RISC (SPARC) computers.
:

I am confused.  Sunsoft has been advertising in magazines for a year that
Solaris is or is going to be running on an Intel platform.  Now I am
told above that it will only operate on SPARC platform.  I know that someone
here on the net has dropped the ball on getting Sun's press releases posted
to the net, but surely someone can share the press release where Sun has
dropped their plans on supporting Intel!
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Date: Fri,  2 Oct 92 13:53:53 MDT
From: kelly@baloo.ee.byu.edu (J. Kelly Flanagan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Parallel I/O


	I need an SBUS card that takes a single slot and has the
	following characteristics:

	1.	An 8 bit input port
	2.	An 8 bit output port
	3.	And has interrupt capability

	Please let me know where I can acquire such a card.

Kelly

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: kjb@cs.vu.nl (Kees J. Bot)
Subject: panic: Data fault & system hangs.  Why?
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:22:38 GMT

We have a Sun 4/280 with 8 + 32Mb memory and four SMD drives that keeps
crashing about once or twice a day with a "panic: Data fault".  After
this the system hangs and has to be power cycled to get it back up.
(The break key from the ASCII console no longer works.)

The CPU, 8Mb memory, and SMD boards have been swapped by Sun already,
only the power supply is still original.  After the last swap the system
worked nicely for a few weeks, but not without the back door open.
(Cooling?  We have two other identical 4/280's with no problems).

The 32Mb board was added a some time ago, in the middle of the last "no
problems" period.

Does this sound familiar to you?  (Swapping boards with the other
4/280's is our next idea, don't suggest that. :-))
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	              Systems Programmer, Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: dataram@tigger.jvnc.net (Dataram Corp. PO Box 7528)
Subject: Sun 690
Originator: dataram@tigger.jvnc.net
Organization: JvNCnet, Princeton University, NJ
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:12:46 GMT

What is the maximum amount of memory that anybody has installed
successfully on a 690?

Hans-

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                   609-799-0071 x229
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From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: stupid question = can't see images in grayscale on grayscale monitor
Date: 27 Sep 92 09:13:58 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.sun.hardware, comp.sys.sun.misc, alt.graphics.pixutils
Organization: cic

lakin@Csli.stanford.edu (Fred Lakin) writes:

>On a Sun Sparc 1+, I have a "grayscale" monitor:

>        monitor = 17" gray-scale; Model 17SMM1, Part No 365-1055-01,
>           serial 948BU0030

>And a stupid question: when I view either color gif or jpg files or
>grayscale jpg files, they come out B&W.

You did not specify the framebuffer, but it's in the xdpyinfo:

...

>  screen #0:
>    dimensions:    1152x900 pixels (352x275 millimeters)
>    resolution:    83x83 dots per inch
>    depths (1):    1
		    ^

You are using a mono framebuffer! Surprise, it cannot do more
than two shades of gray, black and white!
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From: gnu@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: High resolution timer for Sparc-1s
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:23:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: hoptoad.35828
Organization: Cygnus Support, Palo Alto

gt1740a@prism.gatech.EDU () wrote:
> 	I have heard that SparcStation-1 comes with a built-in
> high resolution timer. However, I have been unable to access it.
> Has anyone been able to take high resolution timings on the Sparc-1s?
> We are interested in taking timing measurements at the kernel level.

The timers are provided by the MMU gate array in the SS-1, SS-2, and
similar machines.  They are 32-bit counters that tick once per
microsecond in bit 10.  They can be configured to interrupt when they
hit a limit, and they are zeroed at that time.  One interrupts at level
10 and the other at level 14.  Last I saw, SunOS was only using one of
them unless you turn on kernel profiling (gprof).

Look in /usr/include/sun4c/clock.h for details of accessing these
counters.  Inside the kernel, you should be able to just code
printf ("%u", COUNTER->counter10), etc.

The gettimeofday() system call returns time that is accurate to the
microsecond.  I believe it is the only system call in SunOS that uses
the full precision of these timers; the rest use the 100Hz clock
ticks.  I talked with someone at Sun about providing high speed access
to the high resolution CPU time for user code profiling a few years
ago, but I don't believe that his changes ever made it into a
production release.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: todd@draco.macsch.com (Todd C. Williams)
Subject: 32Mb BOARD w/ NO SIMMS in a SS2 ?
Organization: MacNeal-Schwendler Corp.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 22:46:29 GMT

Can I run an SS2 with NO SIMMs and one 32Mb Sbus memory expansion board?

Seeing as how I'll be upgrading a lot of SS2's to SS10's soon, and seeing
as how SS2 memory cannot be used in a SS10, and seeing how the upgrade
paths want 32Mb (or is it 16Mb) back when my SS2's have 48 or 64Mb, I'm
going to have a lot of useless memory sitting around.  If I have all
SIMMs and no board, I'm maxed at 64Mb per machine.  At least if I have
one board in each machine, I can pack the SIMMs and boards in it for
96Mb.  Anybody else thought about this?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: hbo@netcom.com (Howard Owen)
Subject: PC Emulators?
Summary: What's available
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:25:27 GMT

   Could someone point me toward PC Emulation hardware for the Sbus? I 
know about Sun's product, but are there third party products out there?

Thanks,

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: cac@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Christopher A. Cox)
Subject: So what gives?  Can't get monitor prompt on VT220...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:45:18 GMT

	I have been trying to get a Sun 2/50 CPU to boot to a terminal
(primarily because I need to see that it's working and I really don't want
to dismantle the other one which is working and currently in use by me
on a regular basis).  The machine is just a simple 1Mb 2/50 CPU.  I have
hitched it to a VT220 terminal which is working fine - I can plug it
into the other 2/50 and log in just fine - with a standard null modem
cable.  No keyboard, mouse, or monitor is attached to the Sun itself,
and the terminal is on port A.  Upon power up of the CPU I get shifting
LED pattern which settles to one light blinking in the middle at an
interval of something less than a second.  The period on the working
2/50 is quite a bit longer.
	Have I set the terminal up wrong?  I've tried messing with the
line settings and have no luck - nothing comes up on the terminal at
all.
	Any suggestions appreciated.  Thanks...

							Chris
 
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From: john@n7kbt.rain.com (John Opalko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: IPC with 424 meg disk?
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:58:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: n7kbt.4552
Organization: Two strange people in Forest Grove, OR

Can I safely pull the 207 meg drive out of my SPARCstation IPC and replace it
with a 424?  I have gotten answers ranging from, "Sure.  No problem," to,
"No way.  The fan can't pull enough air to cool the larger disk."

Does anyone have the Real(tm) answer?

-- 
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