Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Holocaust Myths/CAN'T BELIEVE HE POSTED THE PROPIGANDA AGAIN
From: oberland@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:26:27 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

This guy seems to sound familiar, letmesee....
oh yes.

Eg:
In science, especially Physics, Astrophysics, and Astronomy, solid proof is
often hard to procure.  Anybody have a picture of the center of the Sun?
Did anybody actually SEE the BIG-BANG?
What about gravity? No one seems to have proof of how it "fits" with the other
theories of physics, do they?.
Evolution?  No "proof" here, either.
In fact, there is VERY little real proof for most things in this universe.
(at least proveable to the point of being a scientific LAW, for example.)
Does this mean that because we can't PROVE THEM TO THE "nth" DEGREE, that they
are all false?

The fact is, that, like people who still don't believe in such things such as
the ozone hole and that the world is round, some people do not seem to believe
reality, since anyone can "see" that it is true/I  "can't see" that it is true,
therefore, it must not be so.".  In fact, even DETERMINING that such things are
true tends to be very hard.  Man, for example, was aware that the world was
round, but proof such as THIS person wants was not available until the first
picture was taken from orbit.  Quite a long time to get this kind of proof
passed from the time when our logic, observations, and math told us that it
was so.

I find it hard to believe that he wants photographs(oops, faked by computer),
video(same), or some other "undeniable" proof such as will satisfy him without
realizing that his own closed-mindedness will not allow him to see that ANY
form of proof can be made "Unacceptable" if you search hard enough for some
means by which it could be "forged" or "altered".  This is tantamount to
arguing with a wall.

Of course there were no photographs(that I know of) that showed them actually
DYING, but then again, how many prisoners had cameras?

All those MILLIONS of people, all from different countries, political, ethical,
and ecomonic backbrounds(to name a few) CANNOT be all wrong.  Think of the
global mass of data that would have had to have been changed, the people that 
ALL would have had to be made aware of the "NEW" story, so that it could be
the SAME, without any errors, etc., etc.
AND ALL WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE FINDING OUT.
****YEAH, RIGHT****
(Maybe SPACE ALIENS ORCHESTRATED THE WHOLE THING)
then again, maybe we're all green blobs in a test-tube that have been
programmed to see the world the way we do, and don't know the difference....
;-)

Science, like reason, needs to use logic when drawing conclusions.  Failure to
do so condems us to never going beyond illogical superstitious dogma that
certanly leads to ruin.

Next, this guy will deny that the massacre at Wounded Knee never happened,
since no one had a film of it, or that the NAZI's never even HAD camps of one
sort or another(Despite one or two still standing), or some other illogical
rubbish.

I seriously hope that someone either sues him for the amount, or that he is
forced, LEGALLY or otherwise, to undergo a course in reality 101.

Joe
P.S. I KNOW this is a free country, but there is a point at which abuse such as
his goes beyond the limits of palateability and rational reason, and must be
seen as an abuse of the fundamental ideals of those freedoms, and dealt with
for the good of the group(Those here on this net).
 
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