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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Eagles lose: Where were the safeties?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:25:44 GMT
Summary: Defense

In article <1992Oct15.212710.25090@ncsu.edu>, jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY ALLEN WILES) writes:
> Philadelphia normally plays a 3-4 (and a darn good one at that!), but if you
> just look at how many EAGLES are on the line (especially on FIRST DOWN), it 
> is usually 5 or 6 guys there!  Let's face it:  The EAGLES OVERPLAY THE RUN!!

First off, the Eagles play a 4-3, not a 3-4.  Secondly, they overload
the line with their LBs and safeties which gives them an 8-9 man front.
But that is only the look they give you.  Sometimes, they go with it.
Most of the time they drop the safeties back into zone coverage or use
one to double coverage on the left side.  The LBs either come with the
rush, cover the RB out of the backfield or go zone coverage.  It all
depends on the offensive formation.

> The EAGLES believe (and rightly so) that if you stop the run, you stop the 
> offense.  This philosophy works well in the NFC EAST.  Against teams like 
> BUFFALO and MIAMI (and apparently KC), the EAGLES have to adjust with a 
> gameplan more oriented to passing and ESPECIALLY rushing the passer!!
> The EAGLES got 4 sacks against KC and DID adjust to the passing games
> (after getting BURNT for 3 TD's) but the adjustment was woefully late. 
> WHY? BECAUSE THE EAGLES PLAY THE RUN!!  

Once again, the Chiefs offensive formations showed run.  The Eagles
defense played run.  Kansas City passed and the Eagles defense was not
prepared for it.  As you said they did adjust very late.  Why it took
Bud Carson three quaters to see what the Chiefs were doing is a total
mystery to me.  Usually, Bud is one of the best at making defensive
adjustments on the fly.

> It has little to do with another team's game philosophy.

It has everything to do with the opponent's philosophy.  The Chiefs
run the ball down your throat.  The Eagles prepared to stop that.
The Bills or Oilers are going to throw the ball.  Do you actually
believe the Eagles defense would prepare for them as they did the
Chiefs?  You know the other teams' strenghts and that is what you
prepare to defend against.

> The question now is: WILL the EAGLES change their gameplan?  I don't believe 
> they will, at least not until after they play the SKINS.  If you don't believe
> me, just watch SUNDAY and see how many people PHILLY puts on the line every
> down (especially first!). See what kind of success RYPIEN has with his passing
> to the posse.  You too will see that THE EAGLES OVERPLAY THE RUN!

Once again the look the Eagles give the QB is not always what type
of defense they are in.  You don't have to tell me what to look for
when it comes to watching the Eagles.  But I will tell you to watch
and see how many times the Eagles safeties and LBs drop back into
coverage after Rypien audibles from a running play to a passing play.
Compare this to how many times they actually attack with all 8-9 guys.


E-A-G-L-E-S

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
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From: nahst6+@pitt.edu (Nathan A Horstman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Barry Sanders  (was Re: Booing Rodney Peete...)
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:28:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct15.122843.3778@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
> I am wondeering about Barry.  For his entire career, or most
>of it at least, he has been operating in the run and shoot.  When people talk
>about Barry, they say that he is the best open field runner in the game, if not
>the best runner period.  I am wondering if his marvelous performance could be
>drawn more to the fact that the R+S creates alot of natural open space for him
>to pick holes with.

This one could surely draw a lot of debate and bandwidth, but alas...  Let me
tell you how I see it:  IMHO, the run and shoot, while sometimes creating bigger
openings due to pass coverage and pass rushes, is not any better of a running 
offense than the traditional one-tight O.  Why?  A couple reasons:  1)  Less 
beef on the offensive line to block.  You still have 11 bodies on defense, and
while a few of the bodies may be smaller to play the R&S, a wide receiver cannotadequately take on any DB and expect to take him out of the play, unless he is
of Art Monk or Andre Reed stock.  2)  No fullback.  Arguably the most important
blocker on an offensive play.  He's usually worth a couple of yards or so.  
3)  There are more defensive guys running around in the "open field" preventing Barry from breaking through to any extended daylight.  

While I'm not saying necessarily that a tight-O is better than a wide
open one, I can't say either that the R&S is a better running offense.  Who
really knows?  Look at Atlanta.  Was Mike Rozier any better when they adopted
the R&S?  Was Lorenzo White any better in Houston under Jack Pardee's O?
Not to my knowledge.

Barry will always be Barry.  In order to improve his 3 ypc average, I think he
needs to find a team with a big, bruising offensive line.

Nathan

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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: Gloria and Kill files 
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:41:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.202003.23967@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:

>-- 
>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
>  Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
>  of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain

	I'm not that experienced with this news-reader (I'm using
rn).  Is there any way that I can have it search for articles posted
by a particular user and just kill them.?   For instance,
If a random message that was really snobbish and very egotistical was
written by John Doe, or John Smith, or say, John Gloria, how could
I have it Killed immediately so that I could read about football and
not his ego?

		Just a question,



-- 
Eric Sybesma
University of Michigan
sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu
sybesma@maize.engin.umich.edu
From: z_phillipsra@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: wanted tickets
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:29:01 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

wanted 2 tickets to eagles vs cowboys on Nov. 2

please call (409) 560-2723 and ask for Ryan

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From: lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: John Elway's Comebacks.
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:08:32 GMT

In article <21000@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>After seeing yet another comeback by Elway against the Chiefs
>at Mile-High, I have a question.
>
>Has Elway's Comeback victims ever included any strong NFC teams
>or is it that Elway has succeeded only againt the AFC in his
>comebacks. If he is indeed a great QB, then why has he not
>comeback against the NFC teams in the Super-Bowl.
>
>I bet that Elway is just an average QB.
>
>S.H
>

I am not a Elway or Broncos fan but.  None of those games were
close enough to make a come back possible.  Elway's only crime
is he was good enough to take otherwise average teams to Super
Bowls in which they were hopelessly outmanned

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From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Cowboys: Wright, Bates, Everett
Followup-To: reams@bnr.ca
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:42:47 GMT

Last night, owner JJones announced verbal agreement to trade
Ace Wright to the Raiders for a conditional draft pick. Ace and
Todd can mature together.

Bates is most likely gone for season. Torn ligaments in left 
knee require reconstructive surgery. No definite word on
whether this is career ending, however he has been in the
league ten years.

Thomas Everett will break into the starting line-up this week
against KC in place of KGant.



-- 
Cary W Reams | "...truth demands to be declared, even if it is
NT/BNR/MTXVO | ugly and unethical."                - Nietzsche 
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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Lawrence Taylor to Retire
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:00:13 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

I heard on the TV news last night that Lawrence Taylor (of New York Giants)
is going to retire, but I didn't get the details.

Can someone please give the details?

Thanks in advance....

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From: daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummond)
Subject: Re: Please Go Away Esiason...
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:32:52 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct12.01956.9310@ms.uky.edu>, thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell) writes:
|> Esiason *sucks*  (I know, I know you all are deathly tired of hearing
|> me say taht but, I"m tired of putting up with him.   I must say one
|> thing for him he's consistant.. week after week, interception after
|> interception.  I thought the blowout was going to be huge but, he 
|> did make a minor comeback (again toward the end of the first half).
|> this doesnt' mean I wasn't happy to see him injured (nothing personal)
|> So was the rest of the stadium... we actually applauded as he left 
|> the field injured.  (It's a cold cruel world)  But, then came Hollas,

I, for one, was disgusted that people (not the whole stadium) were cheering thatBoomer was in obvious pain.  The guy's a human being, and he's doing his best, 
and he *has* taken the Bengals to a Super Bowl.  It's OK to boo him and cheer 
for Hollas, and it's even OK to hope that he doesn't come back, but don't 
cheer the fact that he's hurt.  I was one of the people who gave him a
standing ovation when he was carted from the sideline to the locker room.

Boomer looked a lot better in this game, but I'm with you in hoping Hollas
gets the start against Pittsburgh.  Please, not a blowout on Monday night.  

|> he scrambled, he scraped he'd be fourth and 12 and still get the first
|> down.  I don't want to see Esiason again and anytime he steps on the 
|> field I'm becoming an instant convert to a fan for the other team.
|> (Except when we play Cleveland..)
|> 
|> The defense sucked today too, I miss Ray Bently

Yeah, and Kevin Walker.  The Bengals rushed 4 men pretty much all day.  I
wonder why they didn't blitz more.  With the defense impersonating a sieve,
it would have been worth a try.  I also wonder what happened to Krumrie...
he didn't play much after the first quarter.

|> Alex
|> 

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Miami Dolphins
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:50:07 GMT

>>Hell, I can't remember the last time the Dolphins *played* the Raiders during
>>the regular season!

This is from the database on ftp.wustl.edu:


Regular season games since 1984 --

1984, Dec 2  : Rdrs @ Mia 45 34
1986, Oct 19 : Rdrs @ Mia 30 28
1988, Oct 9  : Mia @ Rdrs 24 14
1990, Nov 19 (MNF) : Rdrs @ Mia 13 10

Playoff games since 1970 --

1970: Oakland 21, Miami 14
1973: Miami 27, Oakland 10
1974: Oakland 28, Miami 26

(and nothing since!)


--Gidi

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 20:52:52 EDT
From: Nathan Owen <32BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: HAIL THE BROWNS
 <1992Oct14.180815.23889@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>
 <1992Oct14.205729.857@javelin.sim.es.com>

>>In article <dn2001-131092152526@m248-103.bgsu.edu>, dn2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Dan
>Nolan) writes:
>>|> THE BROWNS RULE!!!!!!!!!!
>>|>
>>|> THAT'S ALL AND NOTHING ELSE.
>>|>
>>|> GREENBAY DOESN'T STAND A CHANCE AGAINST US.

One day I had a dream... A dream where Mike Tomzak was cut from the Packers...

    that pleasant dream came true this summer much to my delight.

One day I had a day I had a fantasy... a fantasy of the Pack playing against

    Mike Tomzak... what more could you ask for... and alas... my fantasy

    has come true.  What a wonderful life it is...

A grateful Packer fan.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Update on Dexter Carter
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:42:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.062020.26996@menudo.uh.edu>,
st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui) writes:


>Keith Henderson to the Vikings two weeks ago.  They're suddenly thin at RB
He wasn't dealt, he was released.

>(As I recall, Watters, Lee, and Rathman are the only active backs.  Mark
>Logan is used primilary as a KR).  Anyway, I think it will be good for both
>the Niners and Carter if this trade is made.  With the emergence of Watters,
>and with Amp Lee waiting on the wings, Dexter won't have a very bright
>future with the team.

I like Carter a lot, but he is not a #1 running back. I think they
(the Niners) are asking a bit much for Carter, though you can't
blame them for trying.  He still has a big role for the Niners but
not the starting RB.  He'll return kicks and be a situation back.
I don't think the Niners should deal for a pick - is there going to
be a draft next year?  We already gave away Haley for near nothing.

Mike

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Eagles Report
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: 12 OCT 92 13:37:09    

In article <1992Oct12.141944.13281@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes...

>This game was supposed to be the battle of the irresistible force vs
>the immovable object with Kansas City's punishing rushing attack going
>against Philadelphia's #1 rushing defense.  It was anything but.

Quote: "I might not be very bright - but I'm not stupid.  You can't run 
the ball against the Philadelphia Eagles."  Marty Schottenheimer.

You gotta give Schottenheimer credit for having a great game plan.

JGH
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Kansas City Player:  David Szott
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:34:27 GMT
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Oct12.202824.14438@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, ktreole@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kathleen Treole) writes:
>Do any die-hard (or not so die-hard) Kansas City fans have any information 
>about how David Szott is doing on the team this year?  Went to high school
>with him in NJ and wouldn't mind knowing how his game is going...
>
Szott is doing a fine job.  As the comentary siad this past weekend,
"KC's front five are unknown heroes in KC's offense".
--
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(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041  Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
From: oxley@pdn.paradyne.com (Don Oxley)
Subject: Re: GET READY FOR A LOSS DOLPHANS!
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:47:30 GMT

In article <BvuAxw.Bnq@acsu.buffalo.edu> v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.110229.23691@pdn.paradyne.com>, oxley@pdn.paradyne.com (Don Oxley) writes...
>>In article <BvH483.L0E@acsu.buffalo.edu> v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY) writes:
>
>The Dollies played an OUTSTANDING game in one of the TOUGHEST stadiums
>to play in and plain-flat out-unreservedly- WWWUUUUPPPPEEEDDD OUR BUTTS!
>
>But I will eat my grizzle gracefully and take ant-acid tablets until
>November 16th when I fully expect my team to redeam itself and knock
>theDollies off their undefeated throne. (I can't see anyone capable
>of defeating them before that match-up unless PRIMETIME really does
>attempt to play 2 sports in a day, and ESPN seemed to indicate that
>wouldn't happen)
>
>>This dolphin's fan hopes you are not choking too much on your sizzled
>>buffalo hide this morning.  Total Dolphins dominance is what I
>>saw on the tube yesterday.  'Nuff said!!!!!!!!!!!
>> 
>> 
>>DonO
>
>Enjoy it DonO, it has been a great place to be and I fully expect my team
>to reclaim it at JRS in November!
>Congrats!
>
>T Mac
>Peace!

Only time will tell.  Until then, enjoy the easy schedule as we will
do the same.


DonO


--
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AT&T Paradyne |UUCP:     uunet!pdn!oxley       | shut and appear stupid, than to
Largo, FL     |--------------------------------| open it and leave no doubt."
(813)530-8282 |  Opinions are mine, not AT&T   |               -Mark Twain
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich)
Subject: Re: So much for the best team in the NFL --- KC KiCks Eagles's ASS!
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:38:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.144303.28185@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:

>Wow, I am actually agreeing with you! :-)  Likewise, I was not impressed
>with the Eagles performance last Monday night, and I posted as such.


Oh, did you?  You have implied that Dallas was a good young team, and in
<1992Oct7.001406.17977@PacBell.COM> you wrote about the impressive nature of 
the Eagles win.  As a matter of fact, you wrote, " This was a stomp you,
spit in your face, call your sister a SL*T, and embarrass you nation wide
telecast."  If that's not someone calling a win impressive, please explain
what kind of language you would use for a really impressive win.

And now you aren't at all impressed by their win over Dallas.  Right!

>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
>  Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
>  of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain

Am I the only one who truly appreciates the irony of this quote when it  
appears in John Gloria's .sig file?

Floyd Goodrich
floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: AFC-Daydreams
From: <NU138915@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 7 Oct 1992 11:39:44 CDT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network




After the Bills were up on a 4-0 start, we could hear all the
Bills fans screaming all over the net and asking to bring in
the "Fish". Now after the Dolphins have upset the Bills( It
is only one game), the Dolfans are now out for blood of the
Bills' fans.  After these victories over each other, some of
the fans have already started envisioning Super-Bowl victories
.  It is a personal right to dream, but not to become blind.

Occassionally, these AFC teams run into some mighty NFC teams
as part of their regular season schedule and are rendered a
thorough spanking and these fans
 come out of their stupor: See the 30-0
rout of the Broncos by the Eagles.

But the blind fans do not learn and are back into their cocoon
when their team beats up another weak AFC rival and the day
dreaming starts all over again. It is just like the proverbial
ostrich burying its head in the sand: If I cannot see others,
no one else can see me.

After seeing the Eagles perform, I ask, Is there any AFC-team
which can take on the Eagles when it counts. No offence, I just
cannot see a single AFC team having the credentials.

S.H
Go Vikes!!
From: slucas@grant.ncd.com (Steve Lucas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFL PICKS week #7
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:19:02 GMT
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Mt. View, CA, USA


	Below are picks for week 7.

favored		underdog	vegas odds	my odds


Minnesota	Detroit		by 6		by 10

Cleveland	Green Bay	by 3.5		GB by 3

Dallas		Kansas City	by 5		KC by 4

Washington	Philadelphia	by 1.5		Phili by 5

Indianapolis	San Diego	by 2		by 7

Chicago		Tampa Bay	by 5.5		TB by 2

San Francisco	Atlanta		by 10		by 8

Miami		New England	by 15		by 7

Houston		Denver		by 1.5		by 3

LA Raiders	Seattle		by 8.5		by 5

New Orleans	Phoenix		by 7.5		by 10

NY Giants	LA Rams		by 1		by 3


Pittsburgh	Cincinnati	by 7		by 5
From: ben@AUSPEX (Ben PeBenito)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Steve Young to Jerry Rice (Was Re: Rat
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:16:59 GMT
Reply-To: ben@auspex.com
Organization: Auspex Systems Inc.

In article 17980@netcom.com, xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes:
>In <1992Oct9.090458.1607@comp.lancs.ac.uk> marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Marc Goldman) writes:
>
>>Does anyone else think that Rice isnt as productive because of Steve
>>Young?? Is there something about the way he throws that makes Rice not
>>his key target??
>
>I don't think so.  The Young-to-Rice combo has been successful in the
>past.  I suspect that Rice's drop-off in production so far this season
>is based on two key facts:  Rice missed camp, and is still finding his
>"groove", and Taylor is out, which means that Rice is drawing even
>heavier than usual coverage.
>
>-- 
>Chris Waters    | the insane don't | NOBODY for President!
>xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers | Because Nobody's perfect!!


I agree Taylor is out and Rice is drawing havier coverage but don't forget that
Young is no Montana who is more accurate and has better touch on the ball.
Should we put Monatana back?? No!! atleast not yet until he is 100%
Should we Put Bono in??? No!!! I like it the way it is.
I like Young as a QB for the 49ers and I don't care if Rice is not as productive
because of Steve Young. I just like the niners to win and i don't care if everyone
says we got lucky a win is a win what ever it takes to get to the Superbowl.
If it needs Young to run 100 yards per game well so be it. Besides it's alot of 
fun watching Young run the ball I sure do think that Young is alot more fun
to watch than Randall Cunningham or Miller or any of the running QB 
when they are running is not as pretty as Randall and them but it sure is more fun.