From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
Subject: Re: An Abortion Argument that has nothing to do with OT and NT
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 03:57:46 GMT

Peter Nyikos (nyikos@math.scarolina.edu) wrote:
: In <1992Dec23.053148.28798@jcnpc.cmhnet.org> mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. Mc
Angus) writes:
: 
: >Michael P Noonan (noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com) wrote:
: >: In article <1992Dec20.223810.17255@netcom.com>, gordons@netcom.com (Gordon
 St
: >orga) writes:
: >: |> <1992Dec18.213300.4979@mksol.dseg.ti.com> noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Mic
hae
: >l P Noonan) writes:
: 
: >[all references to the cliff analogy deleted, as well as Suzanne Forgach's
: >non-sequitor about "killing unborn children"]
: 
: >: |> >First of all, I'd like to point out that most pro-abortionists or
: >: |> >pro-choicers are Christian.  Secondly, there do exist atheists who
: >: |> >are pro-life/anti-abortion.  So, just what exactly are you implying he
re?
: >: |>
: >: |> Sorry Mike, but the three admitted pro-abortioners on this net are hard
ly
: >: |> Christian.  I'd like to know where you get your stats.
: >:
: >: I admit that I don't have any statistics to
: >: flash around,
: 
: >This rather diminishes your credibility.
:
: >:               but I know many pro-abortionists that are Christian.  Do you
: >: really think that the whole pro-choice movement is run by atheists?
:
: >Of course not, consider RCAR (Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights?) and
: >Catholics for Choice.
:
: How about posting stats on membership in these two organizations?

RCAR - RELIGIOUS COALITION FOR ABORTION RIGHTS
100 Maryland Ave. NE, Ste. 307
Washington, DC 20002
Founded: 1973.  Members: 35.  Staff: 9
State Groups: 25 Religious organizations.

CFFC - CATHOLICS FOR FREE CHOICE
1436 U St. NW, No. 301
Washington, DC 20009
Founded 1973.  No Membership or Staff sizes provided.

Information obtained from the _Encyclopedia of Associations_, 27th Edition,
1993.

:
: And how about posting documentation that these people are not atheists?

From the Summer 1991 _Journal of Church and State_ (Vol. 33, No. 3), RCAR was 
formed "... under the auspices of the United Methodist General Board of Church 
and Society ...".  This is an informative article about RCAR's efforts in the 
area of abortion legislation.

From the 1993 _Encyclopedia of Associations_, CCFS is made up of "Catholics 
within the Roman Catholic church who support the right to legal reproductiove 
health care, especially to family planning and abortion."

:
: Anyone can call themselves "Religious" and "Catholic" [note absence of
: words like "Roman" and "Greek Orthodox"] in these free-for-all times.

I didn't choose their name.

:
: Peter Nyikos
:
: Cc: cash@zeppelin.convex.com, with a request to e-mail me follow-ups.
: I'm interested in the stats on membership especially, and wonder
: whether this poster to whom I am following up is not just another
: Regardian who impugns other people's credibility while being somewhat
: slack about doing the things 'e expects these people to do.
:

I wonder if Mr. Nyikos will apologize for this unwarranted aspersion on my
character.  In the short time that I have been posting to the net, I have twice 
been called on to support my claims.  The first time, I was wrong in what I 
stated and I posted a retraction.  This time, I have provided the information
requested.  Mr. Nyikos should not be so quick to attribute his own failings
to those with whom he disagrees.
-- 
Mike McAngus 			 | As if I needed Another time consuming hobby.
(mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org)		 | 
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