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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 16:05:28 EDT
From: <ST02183@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MUTANT: Rogue and Sexual Harassment
 <1992Apr15.172927.9104@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>


Just wanted to add my 2 to the issue...
I believe that Marvel has absolutely no idea what Gambit is doing. He is
behaving in a fairly traditional manner. A badass hero like him always gets
what he wants eventually, and he is going to get Rogue. In this case Rogue
must be interested in him, or they wouldn't be off by themselves having a cute
little picnic lunch. Eventually, Gambit is going to touch her, probably some
really dramatic scene where he puts out his bare hand, asking Rogue to touch
him, either she'll realize she has the ability to control her power if she
really wants toor he will pass out, she will have Gambit in her head, realize
he actually loves her and they will both have "grown".
   This is all just supposition, I could be completely wrong. I would prefer to
see Rogue just get fed up with him constantly hitting on her, have her belt
him, which of course would kill him, since I've never noticed any hint of
invulnerability about Gambit. Incidentally, how the hell did he go toe-to-toe
with Gladiator, who once lifted the Baxter Building and can move at near light
speeds. I don't think hitting him in the stomach with a deck of cards (I don't
care what kind of energy they're turned into) would do a damn thing. Gladiator
has taken shots from Colossus and hardly noticed.
                 -Jason, American University
From: dream@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Morpheus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVEL: How I'd Reform It
Summary: Well, that would be true if...
Date: 17 Apr 92 04:16:48 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

> 
> >	Yes, but Shooter is largely responsible for the original "death" of
> >Jean Gray.  The character should never have been killed in the first place.
> 
> What?!! _The Dark Phoenix Saga_ was one of the best stories I ever
> read precisely BECAUSE of the ending. Jean Grey, hanging on to a
> shred of humanity, realizes that she cannot control the Phoenix
> force without being corrupted into Dark Phoenix and kills herself.
> What ruined this story was bringing her back.
> All IMO, of course.

What you said WOULD be true IF it had been Jean Grey.  It was just the 
Phoenix Force EMULATING Jean.  I think that if it had been the true Jean, 
she could have controlled all of the PF and there would not have been 
a Dark Phoenix.

Just my 2 cents.

Mike Simon.  (occasionally assisted by The world's Biggest Midget)

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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: TOM DERFALCO=HITLER???
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:59:02 GMT
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The real problem is that its not just defalco.  Its the whole bloated
editorial staff that "rules" marvel these days.  People like Bob Harras
are just as bad or worse than Defalco.  Defalco is just the public 
face.  There are a whole bunch of little Defalco's running around that
company.  
	Jim Shooter built a highly organized "structure" to run marvel.  
One of the fundemental beliefs behind that "struture" is that editors
are the real creators behind the books and that the writers and artists
are just tools.  Therefore, Chris Claremont has little "value" to Marvel
while Bob Harras is irreplacable.
	Defalco is responsible for the damage done to thor and FF.  And
for supporting this retro-60's stuff.
	I think that the editorial staff at marvel has the same sort of
brain-damage that led to DC's free-fall in the 70's.  
	




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From: breitzsp@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Scotty B at UWEC)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: SILLY: Casting Coup (blatant political bias enclosed)
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:11:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: cnsvax.1992Apr8.141145.270
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <1992Apr8.171245.2588@tc.fluke.COM>, moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
> In <56475@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>>So what do you think--Paul Tsongas as Bruce Banner in a Hulk movie?  I
>>mean, the guy has a bit more time on his hands now, and frankly, I think

I belive that the picture wouldn't be complete without Jesse Helms playing
the multiple roles of the people that have hunted the Hulk down in the past.
Can you see it?
Jesse Helms:"The Hulk has shown to pervert all things good and American and I
wonder what would happen if the public knew that all of Banner's experiments
were funded by the National Endowment for the Arts!"

This would be a great movie!
Scotty B
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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 23:11:00 GMT

In article <57081@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>Re:  Jim Cowling's post.
>
>Just to keep the record straight--I take responsibility for anything I wrote
>(although I'd disagree with some assessments, but that's a matter of opinion)
>but not for what I didn't write.  If you didn't like the dialogue for 
>that one issue of Starman, then mea culpa.  But I didn't do the plot--that
>was Keith Giffen.  The only plot element I introduced was the notion that 
>there was an off-camera narrator called "The Swatcher," which I added to
>try and give the story more cohesion.  If *that's* the cliched element
>you didn't like, then I cop to it.  

No, actually, I thought "The Swatcher" was humourous.  So I can't blame you
for the cliched plot elements.  The dialogue was humourous.  Like I said, I
thought the story was over-par PAD with some minor grumbles.

If I may ask you something:  was the Wolverine serial (with Cyber) one of your
first serials?  (Or could anyone else answer this, if they know?)

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From: feng@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Wuchun Feng)
Subject: Re: Killing Joke (help needed)
Reply-To: Wuchun Feng <feng@cs.uiuc.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:24:55 GMT

cerebus@engin.umich.edu (Joe Gorde) writes:

>In article <1992Apr14.133657.6340@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00pebenson@bsu-ucs.uucp (Etrigan) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr08.231442.69690@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, clk0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHARLES LAYFIELD KEMMERER) writes:
>>> My friend recently gave me some of his comics and among them was a copy of
>>> Batman:The Killing Joke.  The problem is that I don't know how to tell if its
>>> a first printing or not.  It has red printing on the cover if that helps.
>>> Please e-mail me with any responses.
>>
>>I'm pretty sure that the first print had blue printing, not red.
>>
>>
>>sorry
>>

>Actually, mine has green printing, and it's a first print.

Ditto.  (green print = first printing)

-Wu
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From: wagenfuh@huey.udel.edu (Karl Wagenfuehr)
Subject: Re: GROO
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 01:55:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.202313.27229@u.washington.edu> iho@cac.washington.edu writes:
>On the subject of Groo, Wasn't Rufferto a lot smarter when he first
>appeared?  He's acting much more like a stupid dog now.
>
I don't know about that, but he is acting a whole lot sappier than I remember
from before.  He is just too simplistic in his thoughts -- "Groo is smart"
"Groo is wonderful".  Nothing wrong with these kinds of motives, only he
is not thinking them and doing them in any well executed way.  He seems
very, well, ...cartoonish.  His lines don't seem funny like they once did
(and it's not because are getting old and tired -- his lines were already
old and tired back when I liked them; somehow they were better executed).
-- 
                    ' ",      *
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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Can Spidey fight? (was Re: Over used lines)
Date: 10 Apr 1992 16:00:41 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <1992Apr10.075955.28465@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-dy@amazon.Berkeley.EDU (Mikey likes it) writes:
>  This reminds me about a trend I was noticing with the Friendly neighborhood
>web-slinger.  It seems that everytime he loses his trusty/handy-dandy spider
>sense, he gets mopped up by the opposition.  This always tends to make me
>lose faith, in whatever skills I had believed spidey to possess. I think
>that maybe there should be a series where he loses his spider sense for a 
>whole bunch of issues and has to learn some real defensive skills.  What do
>you all think about this?

	Well, consider that Peter Parker has never had any formal combat
training, other than what he's picked up along the way.  His spider
sense is a crucial part of his fighting style, since his reflexes are
fast enough so he can react to a strike as soon as his s-s picks it 
up.  When he loses his spider-sense, it's like he's fighting blind.
(Which, unless you're Daredevil, is a problem.)  
	I'd rather not have Pete pick up any formal training, if for
no other reasons than:
	1> he'd learn them from Wolverine
	and
	2> he's then be the Amazing Ninja Spider-Man

	Some things should be left alone.  
-- 
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From: mraley@spot.wrc.xerox.com (Michael Raley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Youngblood Premiere
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:20:19 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Organization: Xerox

Here in Los Angeles, there was a book signing "party" <i.e. stand in line and
wait>, for the Premiere of Youngblood.  For you Collector types, Liefield signed
the cover across the Title <silver colored ink>, and a certificate of 
authenticity was included with the the comic <embossed, and signed by 
Liefield.  These Certificates are numbered 1-1000 <er. maybe 0-999, all I know
is that there is only supposed to be 1000 of them>, and entitled with first
day of release <or something to that affect> April 16th.  

Just to throw a little fat into the fire, I would like to state that Liefield
is being critisized <sp?> quite a bit for his personality <Mr. 501, and spending
to much time at Media events>, however IMHO the guy seemed really guite nice
and eager to listen to his audience.  They even had some people come by
and video tape interviews with people in line for Liefield to watch
later.

I say keep the critique to a "Professional/Artistic" level, unless you have
first hand personality problems with him <yeah, share some dirt!  ;-)   > 

BTW: Some local TV Stations came by to see what the fuss was about, ABC may
even have been there.  Good, Bad, or Indifferent, People like Liefield are 
bringing comics more into the mainstream.  

-- 
Disclaimer: These views are not necessarily duplicated by my employer.

MRaley.Osbu_South@xerox.com
From: stougheric@bvc.edu (The Wease)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: adamantium
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:58:07 CDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Apr13.183731.6138@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, rymarz@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Daniel Rymarz) writes:
> What is the tensile strength of adamantium?
> Brinnel hardness?
> Izod impact?
> Modulus of elasticity?
> Melting point? 
	Hahahaha...Let's see...can you simulate the heat of, say....
the SUN?! haha...
> 
> How do you sharpen adamantium claws?
	My guess, and I recall reading this somewhere, is that the
adamantium is sharpened, molded, shaped, whatever, by using a molecular
manipulating device...I think it was in Iron Man where it was said...
> 
> How unbreakable is unbreakable? Could you drop a tank of Wolverine and 
> have him come out smelling like a rose?
> 
	Well...his bones would be fine...he'd get pulled out and go
hideout for a while THEN he's smell like a rose...
> 

I think it was in What If #6...What if the X-men lost Inferno, where
his adamantium skeletan was destroyed ( after Wolverine's flesh was
burned off) by the Pheonix Force...ripped the sucker apart...
> 	
-- 
	Eric

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From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Here we go now...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVEL: Re: Marvel's OK By Me
Date: 5 Apr 92 17:31:59 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>>All of you Marvel-Bashers are probably wondering, "How can anyone actually
>>like Marvel?"  Well, I'll tell you.  As I was growing up, I naturally fell
>>in love with superheroes.  The concept is fascinating.  Also, the superheroes
>>I grew up with were Marvel and DC's traditional heroes.  I never read comics
>>before getting to college, I have to say.  I saw heroes on TV, etc.  I'd
>>never heard of anyone called Shade, Cerebus, Sandman, or the Tick.  Therefore,
>>I they don't really interest me.  Sorry.
>
>     Same here!  The first comic book I ever bought was The Incredible
>Hulk #225 and then got hooked on the Gerry Conway/Ross Andru issues of
>The Amazing Spider-Man.  These book all have their ups and downs but I
>stick with them because they are like childhood friends.

Doesn't it bother you when the characters are treated like shit?  What about
DeFalco's crucifixion of the Fantastic Four?  It's like he has a vendetta
against the book, and wants to destroy it on purpose.  It just keeps getting
worse.  Marvel cuts down someone like Walt Simonson, and favors someone like
Gruenwald or DeFalco.  What about Thor, Captain America, or Iron Man?  It's
awful how they are being treated.  I love these characters, HOWEVER, I'm not
going to buy the books when they are treated like they are now.  I boycott
them so I don't send the message to Marvel by buying the book, that I like
what's going on with my fav. characters.

It really makes me sad.

It's even sadder that people like you are so blind as to buy these stupid
books and tell Marvel that everything's AOK.  Fools.


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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Slaine
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 05:24:31 GMT

In article <13APR199223414483@summa.tamu.edu> mlh2416@summa.tamu.edu writes:
>
>does anyone know if they ever collected the Slaine stories into 
>one or more GN's and if so who did these and are they still available?

Fleetway has published three volumes of Slaine, and all are currently in print.

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(opinions disassociated, but what can they do about them?)
"...an eternity with Beelzebub and all his hellish instruments of death shall
 be a picnic compared to five minutes with me...and this pencil."
					-E. Blackadder
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From: umyuen22@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Yuen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: SHELL-HEAD art?
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:38:16 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada


     What the hell is happening to the creative team of IRON MAN.  Ever since  Mark Bright left the title, the quality of the artwork has dramatically      
decreased.  Now they've got a nobody drawing one of Marvel's flagship title,   what gives?  Bring back Mark Bright, or John Romita Jr., or John Byrne, don't
let one of Marvel's longest running title turn into the Marvel Try-Out Book,
for aspiring artists.
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From: alh@einoed.in-berlin.de (Adrian Le Hanne)
Subject: Cerebus status?
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:14:56 GMT


Hi,

i try to collect Cerebus here in germany, but it's not that funny most of
the time: i get 6-8 out of 10 releases. My newest is around #110 (yawn).
Fortunately i got hold of the phone books [that is, except Church & State 
I + II :-( ]. Could someone please tell me what the actual release # is, 
and also if there is a phone book after "Jaka's story"? What is the name 
of the actual story? 

Please reply via e-mail.

Thanks,
Adrian
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From: grs02500@runt.appstate.edu
Subject: Re: Masque...dead? (was Re: X-Force and the New Mutants)
Organization: Appalachian State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:56:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.212059.21928@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
> Since I started the whole Masque's sex thing, I'll back up the claim.
> (unfortunatley I do not have my collection here, but...) I know when Masque
> appeared in Claremont stories (prob. the first morlock-group story,the Kitty
> marries Caliban story and prob durring the Massacre(?)) Masque is refered to as she.(at least by Callisto)
> 
> also
>>	Masque's gender is irrevelant.
>>  	 Masque can change its apparent gender at any time (think about its
>> 	 "mutant power" (tm) ).
>>                        -Jonathan
> Masque can't use her/his power on her/hisself (I feel like I'm writting about
> Dr. Tachyon).That's why she looks so disformed and has such a hatred of beauty
> (see the Kitty/Caliban s
 
While Mask was refered to by Callisto as "she", when killed by Shatterstar, the
X-Force group, Cable (i believe) referred to him as he.  Now they have a dead
body to X-amine so I would bet their going to know.  

        SCREAMING BANSHEE
From: 0juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Operation: Galactic Storm (What about Cap?)
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:45:26 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US


What's up fellow netters:

I just saw this and couldn't agree with this more:  
______________________________________________________________________________
In article <35903@ogicse.ogi.edu>, shobaki@chico.cse.ogi.edu (Khaldoun Shobaki)
 writes:
> I think that I enjoyed the latter part of this series since it had alot of
> focus on the moral conflicts between different members of the Avengers.  It 
> was refreshing to read a team book where there was tension between team 
> members, It makes them much more "real".
> 
> -kal
> 
> PS. Cap fans, please dont flame me if you feel that I have slighted Cap.  
>    I am a cap fan as well, just sometimes Its nice to see that everyone 
>    doesnt submit to his will.
_____________________________________________________________________________

The thing that worries me though is -can MARVEL follow up on this storyline
or screw it up?  Suprisingly, Marvel did an excellent job on this cross-over,
normally, a publisher in a cross-over royally screws up each of their 
character's character in order for it to fit in mold with a cross-over 
storyline.

Now, will Cap quit quit in The Avengers, like he promised in one of the 
crossover issues.  And will he concentrate on actually being The Living
Fighting Symbol of the American Dream, or still be a cornball costumed 
clown fighting second-raters.  I'm a Cap fan but lately his book has been 
dragging.

                                  Thanks,
                                  Ned
                                  St. Peter's College
Organization: Senior, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: New Muitants Volume 2
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:46:17 GMT

asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto) writes:

>I'd have to agree that everything sounds great, but you seem to have forgotten
>a few things... Emma Frost is not in the best of shape right now. As a matter
>of fact, her body is in the care of the X-Men after what happened when the
>Upstarts attacked the Hellfire Club.

>Speaking of the attack on the Hellfire Club, most, if not all, of the Hellions
>were disposed of by Fitzroy. I know that he took care of at least Tarot and
>Beef (many of the the Hellions were shown, but I'm not sure which ones were
>killed). This happened in the Uncanny X-Men. I'm not sure of the issue, but I
>think it was the one where Bishop first showed up.

	I really liked the idea, and especially liked the characters...I think
it would make a good addition to Marvel.  As to the point about some of the 
Hellions being dead, I just wouldn't worry about it.  I beleive that Beef,
Jetstream, and Tarot (my FAVORITE underused chacter) were all killed by
Fitzroy's attack.  Just ignore that whole mess:  it was garbage.  The Hellions
were killed in a cheap way, and if Marvel gives you the go ahead, I'm sure
most people wouldn't care if you brought them back, no questions asked.

	The only things that really stuck out in my mind as being troublesome
were a) Guido as Lila's housekeeper (he would be good though), and b) Lila
and Stevie seemed to be kind of flip about starting up a new school.  They
didn't seem really interested in the kids, but more interested in "living like
in the old days".  If this was intentional, the kids first combat (and first
injuries...) could have an effect on their outlook....

	I LOVE the Sam, Keith, and Tarot characterizations...Cool Stuff!!!



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Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 16:53:29 CDT
From: <UD137927@NDSUVM1.BITNET> (David R. Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Batman's Dog

Well, the trivia night at the bar in our town decided to honor me with
another comics question again; and, once again, I was stumped.

What was the name of Batman's dog?

(the Joan Jett question decathalon I passed with no trouble, of course :-)

>>>>>  CTHULHU IN '92! -- Why vote for the LESSER evil?  <<<<<
In related news:  George Bush is the Anti-Kate. Details at 11.
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What was your question? --K //Thanks... for the memories. -- Rogue
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