HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (Brutus Thornapple)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: GP Brasil - Results.
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:48:48 GMT
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <1992Apr06.025322.289241@cs.cmu.edu> tsen+@EDRC.CMU.EDU (Chung Kang Tsen) writes:

>1. Mansell (Williams Renault)
>2. Patrese (     "      "   )
>3. Michael Schumacher (Ford Benneton)

And 4th place went to number 27 Alain Prost of Ferrari..

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

(That's what ESPN reported at the end of the race for you non American
viewers)


eliot
From: dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Perry G Ramsey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: there I was, there I was, .... in CS, TX (ARCA)
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:26:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.45348
Organization: Purdue University, Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences

In article <92104.113828MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET> MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET writes:
>>>[Texas] Speedway 
>>What are the dimensions of this track ?
>
>>Before it was rebuilt, the track was a copy of Michigan:
>>2 miles, moderate trioval banks, less than Daytona corner banking.
>
>   If memory serves the banking at Michigan Int'l Speedway is 31 in the
>   turns, 18 through the tri-oval, and flat down the back stretch. If

Memory serves neither correctly.  Daytona is 31 in the turns, 18 in the
tri-oval, 2.5 miles.

Michigan is 2.0 miles, 18 degrees in the turns.

Texas is 2.2 miles, 21 degrees in the turns.  Built by the same company at
the same time, but everything is bigger in Texas.

-- 
Perry G. Ramsey         Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu  Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN USA
perryr@purccvm          This signature gives you specific legal rights.  You
N9LFF                   might have other rights that vary from state to state.
From: nicos@csa.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 (SPOILER)
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:18:28 GMT
Reply-To: nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA


 I remember whe I first joined this newsgroup, (one or two seasons ago)
I would get results AND descriptions (comments) of races very soon
after each race.


 So, what is going on this season people?

We are talking about fuel, Ron Dennis etc, which is nice and good,
but lets have something ON THE RACES...(please).


 (Of course, please include the appropriate `SPOILER' warning for the
VCR people...)




NOTE: The above apply for F1-related topics only...


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From: stresres@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mark Vanetten)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: SHITTY TOPICS
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:28:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44531
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Apr8.173047.16739@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield) writes:
>
>PS. After I just went off on everybody like that, does anyone plan on    
>replying to my request of a list of the designers, aerodynamicists, and
>engineers for the F1 teams? My undying gratitude would be yours forever!
>
>	  
I hate to break this to you Toby, but after that post, I don't think you   
will get alot of replys.  True, some of the things get old, and it is hard
to say who is right or wrong on somethings, but there is alot of racing
info to be learned here.  And since when has racing been cut and dry, no
stories, and all facts known?!?!?!?  

P.S.  I found ALL the designers and aerodynamicits, but am a few short
on the engineers,  I'll let you know in the summer when someone changes. :]
(Just a joke!! Gotta keep it light, ya know.)

MTV
From: winalski@tle.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Ford HB V8 and Indy Cars
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:28:02 GMT
Reply-To: winalski@tle.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH


Oops.  In my previous posting, I meant to say Eddie Cheever is the third driver
of a Ford XB-powered car, along with the Andrettis, not Scott Pruett.

--PSW
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: Re: GOB championship algorithm
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:21:36 GMT

scdorcy@lims05.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY) writes:

>Thought for the day: I wonder if Robert Yates is second-guessing letting 
>Ford in on his head mods, thus allowing distribution to the other Ford 
>teams (like, err, JJ & Co.).

Probably not, because if he hadn't done it, NASCAR would've banned them.
From: altsourinaki@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Jordan-Yamaha and Ligier...
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:26:49 +1000
Organization: Vassar College

I would agree that Jordan-Yamaha is undergoing a period of teething
problems,but I would hardly draw a parallel between them and Ferrari,as someone
did.Ferrari is literally haunted by its glorious past,and its failure to be a
serious challenger for the championship,after their unsuccessful duel with 
McLaren-Honda in 1990.On the other hand,Eddie Jordan did very well last year
for a rookie in F1,despite finding himself in the eye of the cyclon after the
Belgian GP with drivers switching teams and so on.

I wouldn't be too worried about Jordan-Yamaha for the time being.It is true
though,as Bob Hobbs noted during the Brazilian GP,that the Japanese engineers
will have to work very hard on their V-12,because it has presented serious
over-heating problems all along!! I expect a strong showing in the Spanish GP
though,as I also do for the McLaren-Honda team,who believe me,will be burning
the midnight oil during these four weeks before Spain.If they want to have a
chance to defend their title,they have to start finishing races with both Senna
and Berger,with the Brazilian on the podium and Berger 4th or 5th.Otherwise,
the Williams-Renault domination will be total and fatal for the defending
champions.I also expect Ferrari and Ligier to improve substantially,starting
from Spain.

By the way,I read this hilarious story in Road&Track about Ligier and its
pre-season flirt with Alain Prost.It was during winter testing of the new 
Renault V-10-powered Ligier in Paul Ricard in South France.There were rumors
that Alain Prost would attend the testing sessions and even drive the Ligier,
so you can imagine what happened in terms of photographers and journalists.
Alain showed up many days before the actual testing was supposed to start,in
his brand new Mercedes 600S V-12,and now the heat was on for the media people.
When the first day of testing arrived,tens of photographers were outside the
pits that the team was using at Paul Ricard,in order to take pictures of Prost
in the Ligier.The big deal was not that Prost would test drive the new car,but
that due to a court battle between Prost and Ferrari,Prost has been order not
to drive for any other team until a decision is made.If they saw him in the
Ligier car,he would be defying that court order,and that's why everybody was so
curious about it.

Prost finally came out of the pits,blipping the engine to get the people out of
his way,but he emerged in Comas's helmet and race suit,so at first many were
fooled.After a breakdown 3 laps later though,he came back with his helmet off
and the news broke.It's really worth reading the details of the story in R&T.
It's a guaranteed laugh.

Alex Tsourinakis
Vassar College.
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 08:51:06 EST
From: <MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Chad Little released?
 <1992Apr9.220245.21484@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>

=========================================================================
mips!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lambda.msfc.nasa.gov!cornutt
From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Chad Little released?
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:02:45 GMT
Organization: NASA/MSFC

>mclellan@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (David McLellan) writes:

>My Local newspaper carried a brief (two sentence item) stating that Cale
>Yarborough had release Chad Little as his driver.  If anyone can confirm
>or add any additional information to this, I would be interested.  I
>think Bob Kehoe mentioned that Chad's father was also serving in some
>capacity with this team.

 cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) writes:

-I suspect that Chad and his father (who I believe was serving as team
-manager) may have asked for their release.  Crew chief Doug Williams
-is already gone, having asked for and gotten his release a month ago.
-He's now working for BGN driver Steve Grissom.)

-Why is this happening?  Rumor has it that Cale Yarborough's Phillips
-66 sponsorship won't last through July...

 In the why is this happening catagory, I was thinking about this
 yesterday (while I was supposed to be working). It seems there has
 been an unusual amount of early season driver/crew chief changes.
      Rick Wilson released by Stavola Bros. after Daytona
      Phil Parsons released by Harry Melling after Rockingham
      Chad Little released by Cale Yarbourough this week
 The thing these all have in common is they are FORDS, and they are
 not running up front with the rest of the Ford teams. I'm
 beginning to wonder if Ford isn't putting some pressure on the
 teams to perform or risk losing whatever amount of assistance
 they are getting. Other things I've noticed are the sudden
 competitivness of the Stavola Ford, perhaps the Billy Hagan team
 with driver Terry Labonte building a Ford for Talladega. Ford
 may be threatening to replace Cale's team with them if they
 do not improve quickly. All of this is my own personal opinion
 but the facts do seem pretty strong.

                              Mike - Orlando, FL
From: erik@archimedes.nwc.navy.mil (Erik van bronkhorst)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Williams Reactive Suspension (power requirments)
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:08:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Naval Weapons Center, China Lake, CA

In article <3627@wyse.wyse.com> ken@wyse.wyse.com (Ken Drottar x2582 dept303) writes:
>In article <34958@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley) writes:
>>
>>Another question, how big a reservoir would be required to store pressure,
>>not to do work but to retain pressurization of the system at a given level?
>>...There would be no need to do
>>work by pumping hydraulic pressure up except when the loadings and/or spring
>>rates increased significantly (eg, when lateral loadings occur during turn-in).
>>
>	Gee! I like this. We know that the Renault engine uses bottled
>	air to run their valvetrain. Why not use the same technology on
>	a larger scale for the chassis suspension? After all, it doesn't
>	have to function much more than two hours or so and the car helps
>	out by being significantly lighter towards the end of the race. 
>

	How about an intentionally non-insulated tank of filled with
liquid nitrogen.  There's plenty of waste heat to assist in vaporization
and I'm quite sure plenty of pressure would be available.  The tank
would be smaller, so the overall weight probably would not be greater.
The volume of pressurized gas would be tremendously greater.

-- 
Erik van Bronkhorst KC6UUT erik@rftech.nwc.navy.mil
DoD#4342585443 AMA#438054 "3.412 squid" "2.5 geezer"
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: dwv@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Dave Vollman)
Subject: Re: Full Course Yellows in F1 Was Re: Mclaren Throttle/Ron Dennis
Organization: HASA "S" Division
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:27:59 GMT

In article <Edt6St_00WBOE2vmou@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Carl D. Lovejoy" <cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> In article <1992Apr7.182613.26802@sequent.com> (rec.autos.sport), dafuller@sequ
> ent.com writes:
> > Don't forget that one of the reasons the IndyCars go full course quickly
> > is due to the Andretti axis, where Mario plowed into a safety truck and
> > Micheal crashed soon thereafter.  Even though the yellow was displayed and
> > the corner workers motioning INSIDE, INSIDE.  Fittipaldi, Sullivan, et al
> > didn't seem to have any problems negotiating the incident; so now IndyCar
> > goes full course at the drop of a hat.
> 
>     I saw this incident live and simply could not believe my eyes.  No
> wonder Mario always seems to be jinxed. 
>      However I seem to recall another incedent were Mario had an attack
> of Brain lock.  I forget the race but it was a street course and was two
> years ago.  A BRIGHT RED Alfa had parked along the front straight up
> against the wall about in the middle of the straight.  It had been there
> for more then a few laps and the courner workers had waved a caution for
> 6 or so laps.  They stopped waving eventually thinking that the drivers
> could now deduce that this DNF was now part of the course and not have
> to be continuously reminded of its presence.  Mario however could not do
> this like all of the other drivers and while trying to do his best
> Mansell dicing, slipping, and slidding passing manuvuer of some back
> marker on the straight he managed to completely shear off half of his
> car trying to drive up and over the Alfa.  It was really quite
> spectacular, and just another example of how Mario has serious mental
> lapses during a race.  Much like the tag team with Micheal and the
> Truck. 


I think this was at Toronto, and as I remember it, Mario was having a really
good contest with Fittipaldi. They go by Sullivan's dead alfa at least 4 times
before Mario got it big time. Change that yellow to a massive
debris flag :-). OK, all of you out there know my opinion of that
racing sitcom I like to call "The Whining Andrettis," but I'm gonna
defend Mario on this one. The car was at one of the few passing points
on the course in a high speed straight. Mario had ducked under Emmo's
rear wing to draft on him, then he popped out and blamo. I think
from where the car was sitting, they should have had a standing yellow until
they could remove it.

On the other hand, during the Detroit accident, Mario seemed to be giving
himself an up close rectal exam. :-)



-- 
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 property is safe while		| AT&T Bell Laboratories, Naperville, IL
 Congress is in session"	| Email: dwv@ihlpm.att.com
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From: jim@cuuxb.ATT.COM (~XT6561210~Jim Davis~C24~H18~7221~)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Trivia question #2
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:06:32 GMT
Reply-To: jim@cuuxb.UUCP (Jim Davis)
Organization: AT&T/NCR Software Services Division

In article <1992Apr14.123358.12411@news.clarkson.edu> taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436) writes:
>Testing time again.  Put on your thinking caps and tell me who won
>the closest F1 race of the "modern era".  For the purposes of this
>question, "modern era" refers back to the beginning of the 3 litre
>formula in 1966.
>

My guess would be Mansell losing to Senna in Spain by less than a couple feet.
They had moved the start/finish line about 30 yards closer to the last turn
just before the race. If they had left it in the original location Mansell
would have won the race, and that quite likely would have given him the world
championship that year as he would have earned 3 more points, and would not
have had to finish in third in australia where the blown tire put him out
and he lost by a point.

Jim Davis
AT&T/NCR Computer Systems Support
Lisle, Il
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Jim Davis
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cuuxb!jim
312-810-7221 or cornet 344-7221
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 - Brazil - 1st day qualifying
Date: 4 Apr 92 09:15:06 GMT
Reply-To: Leo Smith <shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Organization: Gated to News by demon.co.uk


  1. Nigel Mansell      (Britain)     Williams   1:15.703 (!! is that
  right?)
  2. Riccardo Patrese   (Italy)       Williams   1:17.591
  3. Michael Schumacher (Germany)     Benetton   1:18.541
  4. Pierluigi Martini  (Italy)       Minardi    1:18.953
  5. Gerhard Berger     (Austria)     McLaren    1:19.277
  6. Jean Alesi         (France)      Ferrari    1:19.340
  7. Andrea De Cesaris  (Italy)       Tyrrell    1:19.343
  8. Stefano Modena     (Italy)       Jordan     1:19.344
  9. Ayrton Senna       (Brazil)      McLaren    1:19.358
 10. Martin Brundle     (Britain)     Benetton   1:19.488
 11. Michele Alboreto   (Italy)       Footwork   1:19.533
 12. Erik Comas         (France)      Ligier     1:19.541
 13. Ivan Capelli       (Italy)       Ferrari    1:19.895
 14. Karl Wendlinger    (Austria)     March      1:19.897
 15. Bertrand Gachot    (Belgium)     Larrousse  1:20.413
 16. Gianni Morbidelli  (Italy)       Minardi    1:20.445
 17. J.J.Lehto          (Finland)     Dallara    1:20.502
 18. Gabriele Tarquini  (Italy)       Fondmetal  1:20.533
 19. Mika Hakkinen      (Finland)     Lotus      1:20.557
 20. Mauricio Gugelmin  (Brazil)      Jordan     1:20.817
 21. Thierry Boutsen    (Belgium)     Ligier     1:20.823
 22. Paul Belmondo      (France)      March      1:20.886
 23. Aguri Suzuki       (Japan)       Footwork   1:20.891
 24. Christian Fittipaldi(Brazil)     Minardi    1:21.019
 25. Johnny Herbert     (Britain)     Lotus      1:21.161
 26. Ukyo Katayama      (Japan)       Larrousse  1:21.568
 27. Andrea Chiesa      (Switzerland) Fondmetal  1:21.584
 28. Olivier Grouillard (France)      Tyrrell    1:21.930
 29. Eric Van de Poele  (Belgium)     Brabham    1:22.742
 30. Giovanna Amati     (Italy)       Brabham    1:30.420



.. Looks like a power circuit with the Tyrell, Jordan and Minardi
doing better than Lotus. Sigh.
From: jbp@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 HP
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:19:53 GMT
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <1APR199221005548@utarlg.uta.edu> George M. Smiley writes:

>Last years Yamaha ox99 made 700 bhp at 12,000 rpm.

Hmmm....that looks like about 0.2 hp per cc.  Let's compare with a
stock Yamaha kart motor which has about 20 hp and 100cc displacement
-- also 0.2 hp per cc!  But, the kart motor will rev to 14,000+ rpm
and its cheaper...... so there!     :-)
-- 
John Posthill  jbp@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436)
Subject: F1: Answer to F1 trivia question #2
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:11:47 GMT

To recap for a momemt, the question was:

Who won the closest F1 race in the modern era (since 1966).

Please note the choice of words, its important and I'll get back to that
later.

I was inundated with answers, all of them very good candidates but,
strictly speaking, nobody wins the "cudddly toy" (to borrow a phrase
from A.H. Henry).

I got most answers for:

   Senna beating Mansell at Spain in 1986.

       The official winning margin is given as 0.01 s but Autocourse
       says it was 94 cm (or close to that).  I don't know how fast the cars
       would be going as they crossed the finish line so the actual time
       difference might be less.  Ofiicial times are given to 0.01 s and
       that becomes the winning margin.

Second most popular answer (but not by much) was:

       Peter Gethin in a works BRM beating Ronnie Peterson in a tea tray
       March at Monza in 1971.  Again, the official winning margin was 0.01
       s but 0.61 s covered the FIRST FIVE.  Peterson was preoccupied by
       Cevert in a Tyrell and didn't see Gethin sneak by.  I am not positive
       but I believe this was Gethin's only GP win.

Third most popular answer was:

       De Angelis in a Lotus 91 beating Keke Rosberg in a Williams at
       Austria in 1982.  This was also incredibly close but the official
       time difference is 0.05 s.  I doubt that the casual onlooker
       could distinguish between any of the three above races.

Now, for the correct answer.  I don't think anyone thought of non championship
races (perhaps because there aren't any anymore).  I must admit that this
was a difficult question.  Most of us probably have never heard of this
particular race, I know I hadn't until I came across it flipping through
one of my racing books.  But, (Drum roll please) the winners were (yes,
I used the plural):

       Mike Parkes and Ludovico Scarfiotti, both in Ferrari V12 at the
       Syracuse GP in Sicily, 1967.  Average speed was 113.xxx mph.

Frankly, I have a hard time believing there was a DEAD HEAT in an F1 race
but thats what my book of records says.  I think that any of the above
answers is better simply because all the answers I got were from memory
(more or less).

Well done if you said any of the above.  This was a good question because
I got LOTS of answers but I admit it was hard.  I'll make the next one
a bit easier, however.

Thanks to all who took part.

Ross Taylor

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From: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436)
Subject: Re:  Senna: Love him or hate him?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:38:13 GMT

From article <20307.9204081058@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, by roberto@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Roberto S. M. Barros):
> Congratulations to John Francis for his very well written article! 
> 
> I only want to comment on the last paragraph.
>  
> | Personally I would like to see Ayrton Senna teamed up with Nigel 
> | Mansell or Michael Schumacher.  That would really let him show how 
> | much of his success is driver talent and how much is due to the 
> | equipment. I don't expect it will happen (although I don't think 
> | that a Mansell/Senna pairing is quite as unlikely as it would have 
> | been two or three years ago), but I can dream . .
>  

I don't agree that you can take two drivers in the same team and expect
them to be competing against each other on a level field.  Drivers with
stronger personalities have a history of bending the team to their way
of thinkin even when they are number two.  Take, for example, Niki Lauda who
was so sure of his ability that he made the most of his opportunities at
McL.  Of course, in his first year in the team with Prost, Lauda was #1
and used that to his advantage.  I guess my point is that I think that
Senna would be able to get more out his team (whoever they were) than most
other drivers.  I include Prost in this category.  It would have
more interesting to see how Senna and Lauda would have got on in the same
team!  Anyone care to speculate.

Ross Taylor