From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Your own words, of course != bigot
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:37:53 GMT
Distribution: usa, world
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <C01x89.MC1@NeoSoft.com> jpsb@NeoSoft.com (Jim Shirreffs) writes:
>
>Do you get the feeling that I disapprove of homosexual sex?  
>Does that make me a bigot?  I don't think so. It is my

    I do.

>contention that anal intercouse is WRONG, men butt fucking other men is
>not a cute idiosyncrasy. It is a serious pervertion of the human body, 
>and the human soul, both in form and function. I cann't believe that 

    You say.  Who cares?  It doesn't affect you, so mind your own business.

>society is even debating this issue. If homosexual sex is simply abnormal
>when how come we don't see our dogs (male) and cats (male) giving one 
>another head? 

    I have seen dogs and other animals, especially monkeys, do just that.

>If I am correct that homosexual sex is wrong am I still am bigot?

    Since it's a value judgement, the question has no basis.

>If homosexual sex is not wrong then it should have the same moral
>standing as heterosexual sex, then what? Group sex, sex with animals
>sex with dead people, sex with children, etc. If you are going to break

    Grouping gay sex with these things is a very old tactic.  Don't do it.
It makes you look dumb.

>a 2000 year old precident, you better have a very good reason. And you

    "Precident [sic]"?  I hope you're not referring to a specific religion,
or its tired old handbook, since the world is comprised of many different
religions and beliefs, and I'm sure you're too open-minded to assume that
yours is "the only way".

>had better be prepared to demostrate the correctness of your view.
>Simply calling me a bigot does nothing for your argument. Ive been called
>alot worse. Prove to me that butt fucking is a legitimate expression of 
 ^^^^^^^^^^
    Not surprising.

>love between two men. Prove to me that society will not be harmed by the
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    OK.  It occurs untold times each day between male couples who love each
other.
 
>further erosion of our J/C moral The issue here is not tolerance, 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    "Our" J/C moral??!!  How dare you speak for anyone other than yourself.
Get a grip and mind your own business.  You J/C types are often really
pushy and self-righteous, you know that?

>homosexual have acheived a great deal of tolerance towards thier life
>style. Not satisfied with the tolerance society has towards gays, they
>now want thier deviant acts legitismized. Well your are simply asking 

    Yeah, society has lots of tolerance. :-(  I won't waste my time
pointing out the obvious to the closed-minded.

>to much of this old straight conservative. I will listen, but don't 
>expect me to roll over.

    I don't know what you mean by "roll over".  However, some
open-mindedness and/or "let-and-let-live" thoughts would be nice, esp. from
(I assume) a Xian.


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     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
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