From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Bryan Blumberg and the irrellevant charter of soc.motss.
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:29:36 GMT
Organization: US West NewVector, Bellevue, WA

In article <1992Mar25.204324.1148@draco.macsch.com> bjb@macsch.com (Bryan J. Blumberg) writes:
:[Disclaimer:  Jess and Bryan have been "going at it" regarding Bryan's posts
:of anti-gay transcripts.  The end of this message contains a vote tally of
:whether or not Bryan J. Blumberg should continue to post this stuff.

I do not remember call for votes.  Oh, you made it up.

:But,
:first, here is an open letter to Jess Anderson from Bryan which you may
:feel free to read or skip as you see fit.]
:
:Dear Jess,
:
:     In spite of the fact that I will most likely never meet you,
:I have not forgotten that you are a human being with feelings.  I
:am sorry about all of the upset that this Buchanan/Sheldon/Anderson/
:Blumberg thing is causing you.  Please don't take it so seriously.
:This is only soc.motss.  It is not your whole life.

'get a life'

Not a necessary statement.   Have you read the charter of soc.motss?
Do you understand it?

:     In fact, Sim David Aberson apparently understands my sense
:of humor when he says:  "Jess, I took this part of his disclaimer
:tongue-in-cheek, and thought it quite funny.  All that was missing
:were the smilies."

A disclaimer is not a liscense.  

:     While I will admit that I have been having a little bit of
:fun with you, I am not trying to hurt you.  I wrote you that
:nice letter on Monday in all sincerity and I confided some pretty
:personal stuff to you to show you I meant what I said.

Why is it so important to tell us this?  Trying to win more 'votes'?

Yes Clay, wherever you are, those were sneer quotes.   :-)

[ why Jess is unfriendly because he won't give out his home phone deleted ]

:     I feel as if it is my freedom of speech that is being
:censored.  Or rather, a fair number of people do not have the same
:access to this stuff as you claim that you have.  They are interested
:in seeing precisely what the other side is saying so that they can
:better understand what we are up against.

There is one problem.  Such articles are directly against the 
charter of the group.  While I am not a big one for rules and all,
I think you are missing Jess's point.

:     As far as people who don't like this stuff, I really fail to see
:what is compelling people to read it all.  There are
:articles that get posted all the time to soc.motss that I don't
:care about.  I have never told anybody to take their conversations
:elsewhere or to stop entirely.  I just type 'k' on my newsreader,
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

			How nice for you - you have rn.
			Many don't.

:and all the articles on that subject get junked.  For example,
:there had been literally hundreds of messages about "Artimus",
:"human sexuality", "wimmin's tee-shirts" and "ST:TNG" that did
:not interest me.  I justed pressed the 'k' key on my terminal;
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
			How nice for you - you have rn.
			Many don't.

:my screen filled up with "junked" messages; and I went on to read
:something else.  The process has never taken more than about 3
:seconds.

			How nice for you - you have rn.
			Many don't.

:to be very unpolitical and a will not put this stuff on news.misc
:because I only want confine the distribution of this stuff to lesbians
:and gays.

In what is supposed to be a safe space?

:>Have you read the introductory articles about posting to
:>Usenet that appear periodically in news.announce.newusers?
:
:     I've read a few of them, I'm apologize for not mentioning it
:in my disclaimer.  It was an unforgivable omission on my part.
:But it makes me wonder if you're next going to restrict posting
:to soc.motss to people who pass three college level courses,

Ultimate bullshit.  This group has a charter and you, through
quite a demonstration of arrogance, insist on posting stuff
that is in direct violation to that charter.  I don't care what 
'votes' you have gathered, you are no better than Clayton.

:We're all friends
:here.  This public laundering of dirty clothes, is destructive.

Friends respect each others space.

:>We have had a considerable invasion of idiocy from other
:>groups here in recent weeks, all of it against the spirit
:>and intent of our unofficial charter.  

Oh look - a clue.

:     What I have posted has not been an invasion from other groups.
:Furthermore, I'm not trying to share with you what Buchanan,
:Sheldon or Bush think.  I know you know what they think.  What
:I'm trying to share with you is what they are saying and what
:their battle plans are.

Then start a mailing list.

:     Actually, Jess, you remind of my roommate.  He was
:never very much into politics and he often wondered out loud
:why I subscribe to all of this stuff.  Then he got a job at
:AIDS Project / Los Angeles.  Suddenly, the issues of homelessness,
:Public Policy, over crowding at County General Hosipital
:and ACT/UP became important relavant issues to him.  He no
:longer questions what I do.

I am right!  I am right!

:     All I can tell you, Jess, is that you should press 'k' if
:a subject appears that doesn't interest you.

And if Jess does not have rn?  Should he have to wade through
material that is contrary to the stated purpose of the group?
Should people post bondage stories to soc.christian?
It may be fun, but it is harldly considerate.

:>I continue to hope you will rethink what you're doing, and
:>then stop doing it.
:
:     Rather than rethink it I have kept track of all of the messages
:for the past couple of days:
:
:     People Who Support    People Who Support      People Who Oppose
:     these posts           these posts, but want   these posts
:                           a disclaimer
:
:     Mark Walsh            Jan Bielawski           Jess Anderson
:     Nelson Minar          Tim W. Smith            Duane T. Williams
:     John Dorrance                                 Mike Siemon
:     Richard Popper                                Melinda Shore
:     Richard Johnson
:     George Madison
:     Mark Barnes
:     Michael Urban
:     Terance P. Ma
:     Thanalakshmi Subramaniam
:     Thomas M. Farrell
:     Sim David Aberson
:     Rondel K. Buckmire
:     Jessea N. R. Greenman
:
:     Apparently the vote is 16 to 4 in favor of continuing the posts.
:So I will do so.

Oh joy.  Add my name to the list with Melinda, Mike, Duane, Jess,
and anyone else you forgot.

:     All the best to everyone.  But, for now, I've got to get back to
:work.

Look Bryan.  I don't know why you feel your politics should be so 
important to us.   Why soc.motss should modify it's charter so
you have a forum.  This is *supposed* to be safe space.  A haven
(as much as there can be one) from the phobes in the world.

But you don't care about that - do you?




     Donn Pedro ...................{uunet, sequent, pn400}!uswnvg!dfpedro.