From: eng10511@nusunix1.nus.sg (RAM VIKASH TIWARY)
Subject: Re: Israeli Expulsion of 418 Palestinians
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:33:48 GMT

David Makowsky (makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan11.111129.20038@nuscc.nus.sg> eng10511@nusunix1.nus.sg (RAM VIKASH TIWARY) writes:
: # : 	And before anyone jumps on me, I am not claiming that it was
: # : necessary for Israel's self defense just because Israel said it was.
: # : However, based on the "facts on the ground", I believe even more
: # : deportations orders of magnitude greater are needed for Israel's self
: # : defense.
:  
: # 	What facts are you referring to.
: 
: 	Terrorism, demograhics, security, resources, etc.  What did you
: think I was referring to?

	Do you really believe that such concerns will be alleviated by
deportation. 
: 
: # I strongly disagree with the
: # assessment that Israel needs to expel Arabs in the interest of its
: # national security.
: 
: 	Correect.  It does not need to if it decides its national security
: interests lie in suicide, terrorism, South African apartheid, etc.
:
	As far as suicide is concerned, the present posture of hostility
and intransigence taken by Israeli leaders is the surest recipe to that
end.  Terrorism, well what else would you term what is going on in the
West Bank and Gaza.  The apartheid analogy baffles me.
 
: # What constitutes this need may I know.  How can 418
: # members of an extremist group (and they never got a chance to a fair
: # trial) pose a threat to a garrison state like Isreal which is more than
: # a metch for all the armies of its Arab neighbours.
: 
: 	Well, israel is not really a garrison state.  Expulsions will help
: it prevent becoming one.  Now, in the larger scheme of things, I
: agree 418 will not do much.  That is why expusions orders of
: magnitude higher are needed.

	I suppose the entire Arab population of Greater Israel would be
of a magnitude sufficient to satisfy you.  When you have thrown the
dirty Arabs out, you might suggest building a wall to keep them out for
good. But beware all walls eventually crumble and usually to the
detriment of its builders (Great Wall, China and Berlin Wall).  Lets
just suppose this happened, then would terrorism and security concerns
disappear.  Increasing tension and stalling the peace process (two of
the most tangible achievements of deportations) do you suppose
increases Isreal's long term security.
: 
: # It is action of this
: # nature, without regard to rights and aspirations of others that sets the
: # civilised world apart from savages.
: 
: 	Wrong.  It is this action which will help prevent the civilized
: world from being overrun by savages.

Refer above for Great Wall of China analogy.
: 
: # Israel and is American patrons who
: # keep harping on human rights and democracy (what democracy did the
: # native americans get) should stop the farce.  It makes my stomach turn.
: # Justice is a not objective, it is the will of the powerful imposed on
: # the weak.  Have the guts to face the facts for what they are.   
: 
: 	Have the guts to get your information out of something other than
: a Cracker Jack box.

	I suppose you derive your facts from sources close to the
Isreali cabinet.  They sound to me rhetoric uttered more often by
fanatic followers of Rabbi Kahana.
: --
: 	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
: at math and those that are not.

	Could you please sum for me 1 + 1
: 
: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu