HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: misra@maico.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Minoritity in Govt. positions
Date: 14 Aug 1992 21:24:58 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:


>1) I don't recall having pointing fingers at any country

	Yes.. you.. never.. how could i say such a thing..

>3) It was you and some other BJP fans who were engaging in another
>   Islam-bashing fest introduced by this mysterious "Dave" character

	To you anything that doesnt agree with you is called 
        islam-bashing

>4) You did not present a single fact about discrimination in
>   Bangladesh

	The stats that sandip gave is more than enough. If you dont 
        want to see it that is your probelm./

>5) A lack of higher positions being filled by a particular group, by
>   selecting particular positions that satisfy those criteria (as was
>   shown by Sandip Kundu) does not necessarily translate into
>   discrimination

	Sure it does, because it means that Bd govt doesnt want 
       minorities in strong positions where they can make decisions
       which will have an impact. 

>You've still shown nothing, so you have no case to rest.

	Yeah.. sure.. rest well.
>-- Shakil
From: partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: INDIAN FOOD FAIR AT BEAVERTON
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:13:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.41252
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering



			INDIA FOOD BAZAAR

	Date: August 15th, Saturday

	Venue: Oregon Graduate Inst.

	Time: 3PM to 8PM

	Free Admission

	Come and taste a variety of Indian food items!

	Direction: Take US 26 West
		   Take the Exit at 185th Ave. Turn Left
		   Take Right at SW Walker Road	
		   Take Left at Compton Dr (Walker Rd. Ends there)
		   OGI is on the left hand side. 
		   Reach the Quadrangle where the Food fair is held. 	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: gauri@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Gauri Pavate)
Subject: Re: Contradictions in the Qu'ran
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:19:07 GMT

raja@magic (Raja Seth) writes:


>ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:
>: 
>: Nadeem Malik is correct in the statistics that (at least in 1971 or so)
>: there were more Hindu men with two or more wives than Muslim men with
>: two or more wives in India.

>....It matters even though there are 5 times as many Hindus as Muslims 
>in India ??!!!! On any statistics there will be more number of
>Hindus doing any 'X' than muslims in India !!

	Its not a question of absolute numbers.  The proportion
of Hindus who had polygynous marriages was roughly comparable
(slightly higher infact) to the proportion of polygynous
marriages among Muslims in India.  These figures are based
on the 1961 Census.

					Gauri.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: Contradictions in Quaran
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:52:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.203305.17468@uceng.UC.EDU> mghayalo@uceng.UC.EDU (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
>>
>Please anwser the question. Do you think under expectional circumstances,
>like the men can women have more than one husband. If not do you think this
>is discrimination against women? I will consider it discrimination as
>you are not allowing women to participate in this humanitarion issue.

That I believe is the 4th time you asked Mr. Shakil the same question.
Yet he avoids it (I can see his face grimace every time he reads that 
question). I think it would do well for Mr. Shakil to at least give 
a 'er..ahh...er...No Comments' ;-)


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: nns3321@tamuts.tamu.edu (Nripendra Nath Sarker)
Subject: Ficticiousgods
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:48:37 GMT



				- -
				0|0
				 -

			Fig. A ficticious god




Let's say there are n number of gods with n different religions existing
in this world. Therefore, there are n paradises and n hells. If you are a 
believer of a religion, you have chance (not sure) go to the paradise of
of your god to live with a bunch of beautiful women. But for sure 
the other (n-1) gods will drag you to their hells and a single god of 
yours can not protect you from (n-1) gods. So, every body us is going 
to hell after our death.

In fact, we are already living in hells fighting for the ficticious
gods we have created.


nripen

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: psycho@makalu.Stanford.EDU (Mr. Knotty Sycho)
Subject: Assassination rumor triggers Bangladesh violence
Keywords: international, violent demonstrations, demonstrations,
        non-usa government, government 
Organization: Peace and Freedom Institute, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 22:06:23 GMT



	DHAKA, Bangladesh (UPI) -- Violence erupted Tuesday after an
unconfirmed rumor spread through the capital that a prominent left-wing
member of Parliament had died of gunshot wounds suffered the previous
night.
	Angry crowds hurled stones at the police and smashed windows of
dozens of passing cars on one of the city's busiest thoroughfares.
	There were no immediate reports of deaths or serious injuries in the
melee.
	Witnesses said a van drove through the streets Tuesday morning
announcing through a megaphone that Rashed Khan Menon, secretary-general
of the opposition Bangladesh Worker's Party, had died of his wounds.
	Hospital officials denied the reports, saying Menon's condition
Tuesday was ``steadier than before.''
	Menon was shot in the side by three young gunmen Monday night. A team
of 15 surgeons later operated on him.
	Prime Minister Khaleda Zia visited the hospital Tuesday morning and
spoke with doctors treating the 49-year leftist leader, the state-run
Bangladesh News Agency reported.
	A heightened sense of unease prevailed on the streets of Dhaka, as
people gathered anxiously at street corners, unsure of the accuracy of
the rumor.
	Police set up roadblocks at several points in the city to prevent
motorists from encountering angry demonstrators.
	Witnesses said police also used tear gas and baton charges to drive
demonstrators off of main roads.
	Bangladesh Worker's Party members immediately blamed Islamic
fundamentalists for the attack on Menon, who has been demanding a war-
crimes trial for an Islamic fundamentalist leader.
	Menon's role in pushing for a war crimes trial for Golam Azam, leader
of the Jamaat-i-Islami, has led to veiled threats of assassination in
recent months by a shadowy right-wing group known as the Jubo Command,
which said June 30 that it would start to ``eliminate'' all those
campaigning against Golam Azam.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: Contradictions in Quaran
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:08:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.232600.21989@cs.yale.edu>, ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
|> 
|> In article <86227@netnews.upenn.edu>, sarkar@grip.cis.upenn.edu
|> (Nilanjan Sarkar) insults:

|> > Now the case in hand is very clear. Remove your mental block and read
|> > this question - " a man can have more than one wife in some cases (those
|> > cases may be very rare), but, no matter what, a woman *can not* have
|> >                               --------------
|> > more than one husband - is this sexist attitude ?" . 


|> Alright, so now that we have that out of the way, let's apply the
|> stupidity test.  A man A is happily married to a woman B.  He is
|> wealthy, but kind-hearted, so when he finds a bunch of orphans who are
|> in need, he decides to take them under his shelter.  But his wife B
|> already is overworked with their own kids, so A decides to propose to
|> C, because he needs her to take care of the orphans.  Of course, he
|> first asks B for permission since it is required by Islam.  B grants
|> him that permission.  So he proposes to C, but C doesn't think it
|> is what she wants, so she says no.
|> 
|> Good, so let's begin by applying the stupidity test to B.  Has B been
|> economically exploited?  Nope.  Has she been socially dominated?  She
|> could have said yes or no, so obviously she has not.  So the stupidity
|> test fails on B.
|> 
|> Let's continue on to C.  Has C been economically exploited?  Nope.
|> Hmmmm, the stupidity test isn't looking too good, huh?  So our last
|> test, was C socially dominated?  Given that she basically told A to
|> get lost, I think not.  But now, what does that mean?  Could it be
|> that the stupidity test has failed altogether????  Clearly, Webster's
|> and the English language doesn't think it is sexist!
|> 

|> -- Shakil

In the above case, there is no exploitation of anyone. But you still 
failed to answer Mr. Nilanjan's question. What if the conditions were 
such which required a woman to have more than one husband. Would 
that be acceptable ?  

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From: pkohli@cc.gatech.edu (Prince Kohli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Multiple postings
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:43:03 GMT
Reply-To: pkohli@cc.gatech.edu (Prince Kohli)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1684@grivel.une.edu.au>, dwright@metz.une.edu.au (Denis Wright) writes:
|> 
|> Can I make a plea to all persons contributing to the debates
|> that have been multiple-posted to soc.cult.india,
|> soc.cult.pakistan and soc.cult.bangladesh?  I have a feeling it
|> will fall on deaf ears (blind eyes, more precisely) but someone
|> has got to speak up for sanity.

 (stuff deleted...)

|> What I find annoying is the fact that very heated and
|> substantial debates are being cross-posted unnecessarily, and
|> we now have the situation where the bandwidth for any of these
|> has trebled because the same postings and bulky follow-ups are
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Actually, that is not true. When an article is cross-posted, only
one copy is saved/transmitted and not one for each newsgroup it
was cross-posted to. Hence the badwidth does not treble.

I agree with you though that some debates spill over to where
they should not....

|> appearing in three different places.  It seems to me that
|> although we may disagree about the topic under discussion, we
|> could be rational enough to agree on where (i.e., *one* group)
|> discussion on that topic is to take place.
|> 

  (stuff deleted)

|> Denis Wright.

Cheers,

-Prince

-- 
pkohli@cc.gatech.edu      | "What's so unpleasant about getting drunk?" 
Distributed Systems Group,| "Ask a glass of water."   Hitchhikers'....
College of Computing, Georgia Tech.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: Sexism in religion?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:58:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.153135.24940@cs.yale.edu> ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug18.070456.602@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>
>The whole point is that I have shown where definite differences
>between men and women are accepted without being labelled as sexist,
>and shown why Islam's laws on polygyny are not sexist.

You don't seem to be getting the point that Manoj has been trying 
to get across. Lets try this once more. No one has a problem with 
Islam permitting polygyny (under rare cases). But the problem arises
when Islam says that other forms of polygamy (ie., polyandry) is 
wrong. It is the prohibition of polyandry that is sexist and not 
the permission of polygyny itself. Its the double standard that's 
in question here. In one of my posts about Tibetian culture, I 
think it was pretty clear of how circumstances can arise that 
mandate polyandry (under rare cases and with the permission of 
the husbands involved). 

>There are indeed cases of insufficient witnesses, especially in the
>case of political persecution.  And you are right in stating that that
>has to do with the totalitarian nature of the government.  But I was
>not speaking of political prisoners.  I was speaking of *crime* and
>Islam lays down very specific guidelines for witnesses and evidence
>in such cases.  The punishments for crime have worked very well as a
>deterrent.
>
>-- Shakil

Its not just political persecution. What politicial designs could a 
foreigner have when he reads a non-Islamic scripture in the privacy
of his own home? Yet, even this is considered a crime in Saudi Arabia. 
I agree that stict measures are one of the reasons for low crime rate.
But I have yet to make up my mind if it is really worth it to trade off
low crime rate for individual rights. :-\

regards,
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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Contradictions in Quaran
Date: 12 Aug 1992 10:48:03 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug11.143915.11160@linus.mitre.org> m21757@mitre.org (G) writes:
>
>I guess it is not clear to me whether it is the spirit of the law that is 
>timeless,
>or whether it is the spirit and the letter of the law that is timeless.

Yes, it is not clear to you. It is not only the spirit of the
law but also the letter of the law that are time-less. Both are
eternal because both constitute the speach of Allah.

:
:It says in the Quran that (NO QUOTE) something like in financial 
:transactions you need the witness of two men, or if you cannot find two 
:men then one man and two women.  The reason being that if one woman forget 
:the other can remind her.   Now take the situation where you have two men 
:completely unknowledgable about finance, economics and banking and one 
:woman who President and CEO of a company with a BS in finance and an MBA.  
:Now according to Islam the witnesses should be the two men who are 
:ignorant of the financial world instead of (say out of hardship) 2 
:witnessess, one who happens to understand the financial transaction really 
:well (the woman) and one who does not ( a man).  The former is not very 
:practical.  In fact in this situation  the witnessess should be the woman 
:and the two men so that if one of the men forgets the other man can remind 
:him!
:
:
:Was the above mentioned verse revealed for a particular time and for 
:particular circumstances when women did not take part in financial 
:transactions?  Does it still apply today, when many more women are fully 
:aware of financial considerations?

Yes, it still applies today. The specific example you gave above does
not in any way makes the verse obsolete. I think you have never gone
into any book on  Islamic jurisprudence. Such issues as above are
not the first time that have cropped up. There are thousands of such
examples and you can find exposition of such cases in any standard
text on Islamic jurisprudence. In fact, the science
of "jurisprudence" is there for such cases. For instance, there is
Quranic verse that explicitly prohibits pork. Now go to any standard
text and see what "Islamic jurisprudence" says when one is dying of
starvation and only thing available is pork. Read the principle.
Your question will be answered.

P.S.
====
Just ponder a moment that the abortion issue which the so called
enlightened world is grappling today, was dealt with hundreds of
years ago during the time when West was still in its dark ages.
The question as above is one of the elementary ones in any
legal doctrine.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Fatwa of the day/week/year
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 05:33:08 GMT

After consulting with my local sage, I in the powers granted in me declare 
that all people may they be muslims or non muslims will have there 

 right to write articles removed
 there right toe-nail wrenched out
 one eyelash removed
 and made to read everyone of Mahfooz Jafry's articles
 and zakir abdi's predictions.

if anypne continues to write the following articles.

	contradictions of the koran
	contradictions of secularism
	arindham .........

sahibzada rafay khan [ who says dictators are bad .. DID i hear anyone]
From: exuhaak@exu.ericsson.se (Haseeb Akhtar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: KulturSchock
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:15:29 GMT
Reply-To: exuhaak@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article 15699@udel.edu, kazi@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) writes:
>
>Many "contradictions in .... " postings ago, Famin asked for
>nettor's input about culture shocks experienced by TA's and
>the like. [Sorry Famin, that I couldn't get to this earlier]
>This set me thinking and I came up with some caveats that
>we must be aware of when dealing with the natives. Having
>been brought up on a diet of Americo-centric books and TV, shows 
>nothing really surprised me, but I could imagine some things
>which might cause a slight upturn of the eyebrows.
>
>Classroom convolutions:
>
>1. Bagel's and soda in class.
>2. Students putting their feet up.
>3. Calling the profs by their first name.
>
>Verbal vituperations:
>
>1. What's the response to 
>   a] What's goin' down?
>   b] Yo man, hiya doin'?
>   c] For here or to go?  [In fast food joints]
>      I am sure this will stump newbees.

    d] What's up man? [which had nothing to do with the roof or the sky]

>
>2. The usage of allpurpose nouns
>   a] cool
>   b] awesome
>   c] totally
>   d] like
>      eg. That's cool, like totally awesome. 
>
>Never no-nos:
>
>1. [For smokers] Never ask for a fag.
>2. Don't refer to the eraser as a rubber
>
>The two English's
>
>1. A biscuit isn't a biscuit, it's a cookie
>2. You definitely don't wrap a muffler around your neck
>
 3. A "Z" is not ZED anymore, it's a ZEE! 
 5. The she-deule [schedule] suddenly becomes SCHEDULE.

>..... And many, many more. Care to add anyone?
>
>= Zunaid Kazi
>  kazi@cis.udel.edu
>
>
From: dipen@lheavx.gsfc.nasa.gov (D. Bhattacharya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: NO-CONFIDENCE vote in Bangladesh Parliament
Keywords: Any info?
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:39:00 GMT
Organization: NASA/GSFC Laboratory For High Energy Astrophysics
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug19.205445.17206@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, was@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (wasif.sattar) writes...
>I understand that there was a `no confidence' vote in the parliament about
>a week to ten days ago requested for by the opposition members of parliament
>citing Khaleda Zia's government's inability to cope with the various 
>problems. Does anybody have details of this process? My neighbor told me
>that the news was carried by the Indian TV news casts from the NY area 
>last weekend.

	The motion was defeated by 122-168. Jamaat-e-Islami abstained
	from the vote. Tofael Ahmed (Awami League) said the no-confidence
	was to send a message to the Govt. so that it takes step to 
	curb the growing crime.

	In Barisal, pirates managed to rob an entire ferry-boat containing
	500 people. There were 20/25 robbers, they threw out the police
	guards overboard.

	Bandits kidnapped 10 teenagers. Some of them were freed after their
	parents paid ransom.

	And a prominent businessman killed in broad daylight in front of
	his house (his name escapes me) in Dhaka.

	This piece of news also might interest you--

	Reuter: Two Bangladeshi High Court Judges failed to agree last
	week about an application by Golam Azam for restoration of his
	Bangladeshi nationality. Justice Ismailuddin Sarkar rejected the
	writ by GA....but Justice Badrul Islam Chowdhury ("not Badrul
	Haider C.") said Golam's claim to Bangladeshi nationality was 
	genuine and should be accepted...the case would now Chief Justice
	Shahabuddin Ahmed for a dicision.
> 
>Shubhechhante,
>Wasif Sattar

	shubhechha, Dipen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: soc.culture.bangladesh
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:50:29 GMT

>    to use SCB when you require them, esp. given the fact that
>    there is hardly a single Bahai in Bangladesh? Bangladesh
>    has been a country which is comprised of Muslims, Hindus,
>    Bhuddists, Christians and some animists. In my entire life
>    in Bangladesh, I have never met a single Bahai. You want
>   to present your religion, fine, go ahead and use SRB, not
>   SCB.
          - Siddiqui.

Well ; I am sorry I did not know that. My advisor who is from Bangladesh
told that there are many there. I apologize for my mistake.

Doesn't that show it belongs here. I know something about Bangladesh
that you don't know


My aim for asking questions was to open a frank dialogue between Hindus
and Muslims which vitiated the atmosphere in the subcontinent for a
long time. I don't see what's the harm there. At least both party are
getting an authentic view.

As Kamran said in SCI conversion means, Knowing and acting. I am giving
only the knowledge. I have no power and intention to make you act. So
what's the problem. Did I ever tell Quran or Islam is bad. 
Arindam

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh