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From: percus@lpncls.in2p3.fr (Allon Percus)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Trip "Report" 2 weeks in UK w/baby
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:34:13 GMT

Colin Morris writes:

>In article <976@ether.UUCP> danm@ether.UUCP (Dan McDonald) writes:
>>...
>>We found Wales depressing, grey, dreary, and unfriendly.  We left the
>>day after we arrived.
>...
>I'm glad you say you'll go back. I just don't see how you can make
>such sweeping judgements about a whole country based on such a
>fleeting visit.

Saying that one *finds* Wales to be miserable, grimy, smelly,
incomprehensible, whatever you like, is not a sweeping judgement.
It's purely an observation.

Saying that Wales *is* miserable, grimy, smelly, incomprehensible,...
might be a sweeping judgement.

Allon Percus
LPNHE
Universite de Paris VI, Jussieu
From: ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Scotlant (not a honeymoon)
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:10:49 GMT

There are approximately one million B&B establisments in Edinburgh (if not
more). There are far too many to recommend here (in any case, I live here so I
don't know any), but a good area for B&B is the main road from Waverley
Station up towards Newington. You will find the B&B places starting at
Salisbury Place (about 3/4 mile from Waverley) and the road is lined with them
for the next 1/2 mile or so.

Roger Hare.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re:  Greece
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:10:53 GMT

In article <Bw8C7p.A6p@inews.Intel.COM> rwu@ismdqa.intel.com (Ronnie Wu ) writes:
>
>	[stuff deleted]
>
>>If you go a little further north from Rhodes and Crete you must visit the
>>Island
>>of "Santorini".......
>>
>>The film 'The Big Blue' was shot in part here, and the island is , to say the
>>least,
>>spectacular............
>
>	The movie Summer Lovers, featuring Daryl Hannah, was also shot on 
>	that island.
>

Getting back to Rhodes, where the conversation started, the very enjoyable
film "High Season", starring Jacqueline Bisset and Edward Fox,  was set and 
filmed there.

Wayne

-----------
Wayne Citrin   citrin@soglio.colorado.edu   citrin@cs.colorado.edu
From: chorley@vms.ocom.okstate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: info on travel to UK
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:46:09 GMT
Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine

In article <14OCT199216315397@utarlg.uta.edu>, c059vin@utarlg.uta.edu (DANIEL VINCENT) writes:
> I'm planning on a trip to UK and would appreciate any kind of advice about the
> trip. I'm planning on going north to scotland and would like to know any real 
> good places to see and about some good cheap accomadation.
> I would also appreciate any info about mode of travel thruout the UK.
> Would appreciate your reply to my mail address. 
> Thank You
> Daniel Vinent
> c059vin @ utarlg.uta.edu
> OR
> c059vin @ utarlvm1.uta.edu.

There should probably be a mega-FAQ file about this.

1. If you plan to travel dirt cheap fly Virgin Atlantic out of Newark to 
Gatwick.

2. If you like low budget accommodation, join the International Youth 
Hostel Federation .

3. Buy a Britrail pass.

4.I would spend a bit more money on the flight and fly American Airlines to 
 Manchester: a) this puts you closer to Scotland the English Lake District
and North Wales/Snowdonia
	     b) This was the best flight/service/customs/ airport access I 
have had since my first hop across the pond in 1979.

5.Buy all photographic equipment film and batteries in the U.S. before you 
go and if you buy a new camera try a roll or two in it first.....Develop  
the film when you get back and carry the film and camera for hand 
inspection.

6. Regardless of whether or not you travel in "high summer", pack something 
warm and take a lightweight waterproof coat with hood.

7. Since the railways are not extensive in the Scottish Highlands, you'll 
probably want to rent a car there.

8. Don't rent a car in London.

9. Edinburgh (pronounce it Edinboro) is nice, despite what others may say.
I like Stirling, and there used to be very inexpensive day tours of the 
Trossachs based at Stirling's bus station. (That was a LONG time ago)


I could go on and on, but I have a degree to earn..........

Regards, David N. Chorley
From: pow@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Charley Pow)
Subject: Re: Skiing at Tahoe in December?
Reply-To: pow@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 19:45:17 GMT

In article <5387@rosie.NeXT.COM>, llyons@next.com (Liza Lyons) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I'm thinking of planning a quick ski vacation at Tahoe around Christmas and am  
>wondering if there's a good history of snow at this time of year.  Coming from  
>New England, I'm accustomed to NOT planning ski trips over Christmas due to  
>weather uncertainty.  I've asked a few travel agents, and none of them seem to  
>know.
>
We've skied at Tahoe during the last four Christmas vacations.  The major
resorts have snowmaking, so snow isn't a problem.  

Crowds and traffic are worst.  One year we stayed about 12 miles from
Squaw Valley.  The traffic was so bad that it took 2 hours each way.  
Since then we've been staying at Northstar to avoid the traffic.  Try 
to avoid between Christmas and New Years Day.  Skiing on the holidays
reduces crowds.  

Charley Pow
pow@lmsc.lockheed.com
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From: bwong@beach.csulb.edu (Bradley Wong)
Subject: Re: Renting a US car to drive to Canada
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:59:38 GMT

In article <14042@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA> rstevens@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (Roger Stevens) writes:
>I have rented a car in Dayton, Ohio and driven home to Canada for the
>weekend.
>I was asked if I had done this before by customs and I replied yes...
>FACT: You are not allowed, regardless of what the rental company says
>to bring a U.S. rented car into Canada. I'm not sure whether this only
>pertains to Canadians returning home.
>Source for this comment is the " I Declare...." brochure put out by
>the Government.
>They will allow you to drive to the nearest rental company and exchange
>it for a Canadian car....or they may even not allow you to cross the
>border.
>Don't be fooled.....check first.
......

By all means check first BUT, you are right in that this exclusion
"pertains to Canadians returning home".  Source for this comment
is the rental car company AND the kindly "boarder goddess" at the
US Canadian boarder.  All of the major car rental companies had NO problem
with renting me a car in Seattle, WA and taking it into BC, Canada.

Bradley Wong
bwong@beach.csulb.edu

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: mcoulter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Alias)
Subject: Mexico Internet
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:42:58 GMT

I would like to be able to communicate from a couple major cities in
Mexico while I am down there travelling next week.

Where and how?

Any help would be appreciated.  Phone calls cost way too much.
thanks.

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From: rkimm@ameris.ameritech.com (Robert L. Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Smoke-free travel question
Organization: Ameritech, Hoffman Estates, IL
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:20:54 GMT

jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:

>Another idea is suggested by something I read about the El Al Amsterdam
>crash: that cargo plane was carrying one passenger.  So at least some
>airlines take passengers on cargo planes, and if you could also ensure that
>your crew didn't smoke, that would solve your problem.  At a price,
>presumably.  Anyone out there flown on a cargo plane?

Try to pick one that won't crash, though :-)

BK
Newsgroups: rec.travel,misc.legal
From: davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun)
Subject: Re: guns & travel
Keywords: guns, interstate travel
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:59:52 GMT

>Hello, a friend of mine will be travelling from Florida to New York City
>with his wife and small child. He wants to bring either a pistol or
>a rifle with him but is worried about the legalities of doing so.
>Questions he asked were: should he take a pistol or a rifle? Should it
>be kept in the trunk of the car? He has been in compromising positions
>before with muggers (he's from New York) and he is responsible when
>it comes to weapon safety (separation of ammo and weapon, trigger locks,
>proper storage, etc). 

>Who should he contact to find out the laws in the states between FL and
>NY? Thanks.

New York requires a license for possession of a firearm.  I know for a fact
that New York laws are much tougher against firearms than Florida.

Is there a reason your friend wants to bring a firearm with him?  If it is
for a purpose like a contest or something, fine.  But if it's for
protection I can assure you that we up here in the north are much safer
than you Floridians, considering the high crime rate down there.  It is also
against the law to carry a loaded firearm, so I don't know what a firearm would
do to prevent a crime if you have it all set up with the safety.  Bringing
a firearm along seems like a pretty stupid idea to me, considering that his
wife and child are coming along, especially with all those accidents you hear
about.  

The best protection you can afford yourself when travelling to large cities
is to be a bit streetwise and not do things like wear lots of jewelry or
count your cash in public.
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From: Bill Beblo <wb@rigel.cc.bellcore.com>
Subject: Sydney to Melbourne by Train ???
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A70314372902413C@60.65.96.128.in-addr.arpa>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Oct 92 12:27:35 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Red Bank, NJ 07701
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:10:24 GMT

I'm planning a trip to Australia early next year.  I plan to arrive in
Sydney and leave from Melbourne visiting only these two cities.  I am
currently investigating travel between Sydney and Melbourne.  Has anyone
travelled between these two cities by train?  My information sources
reveal that there are two express trains per day, one running during the
day, the other overnight.  There are no express trains on Sunday.  I've
heard that the trip is very nice, but I don't understand why the
"express" train between these cities takes 12 hours.  The distance
appears to be somewhat under 500 miles.  Any information would be
appreciated.  Is it really a very nice trip?  Is it worth spending 12
hours doing it (as opposed to 1.5 hours by plane)?

Thanks,
Bill Beblo
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: briganti@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Joe Briganti)
Subject: Address of "Access" city travel guides
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:56:46 GMT

Can someone please mail/post the mail order address of the publisher/firm
that prints the Access travel guides eg. ParisAccess/ RomeAccess.

A fax. number would also help but not as important as the address!

Thanks in advance.
--
Joe Briganti ( j.briganti@trl.oz.au ) - Get your kicks, on Route 66! 
X400: g=joe s=briganti ou=trl o=telecom prmd=telecom006 admd=telememo c=au
From: 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: *NEW* TRAVEL INFORMATION -- Norway
Date: 14 Oct 1992 06:33:44 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - Norway
============================================================
Norway - Consular Information Sheet
 October 7, 1992

Embassy Location:  The U.S. Embassy in Oslo is located near the 
Royal Palace at Drammensveien 18; telephone (47) (2) 44-85-50.

Country Description:  Norway is a highly developed stable democracy 
with a modern economy.  Tourist facilities are widely available.

Entry Requirements:  A tourist or business visa is not required for 
stays up to three months (the 90 day period begins when entering the 
Scandinavian area:  Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Iceland).  For 
further information concerning entry requirements for Norway, 
travelers can contact the Royal Norwegian Embassy at 2720 34th 
Street N.W., Washington, DC 20008, tel (202) 333-6000, or the 
nearest Norwegian Consulate General in Houston, Los Angeles, 
Minneapolis, New York, or San Francisco.

Medical Facilities:  Medical care is widely available.  U.S. 
medical insurance is not always valid outside the United States.  
Travelers have found that in some cases, supplemental medical 
insurance with specific overseas coverage has proved to be useful.  
Further information on health matters can be obtained from the 
Centers for Disease Control's international travelers hotline on 
(404) 332-4559. 

Crime Information:  Norway has a low crime rate.  Violent crime is 
rare.  Most crimes involve theft of personal property in public 
areas or burglary.  Weapons are rarely used.  Persons who appear 
affluent can become targets of pickpockets and purse snatchers.   
U.S. citizens can refer to the Department of State's pamphlet, "A 
Safe Trip Abroad" for ways to promote a more trouble-free voyage.  
The pamphlet is available from the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. 
Government Printing Office, Washington DC 20402.

Drug Penalties:  Penalties for possession, use, or trafficking in 
illegal drugs are strict, and convicted offenders can expect jail 
sentences and fines.  Mandatory jail sentences are also routine for 
any alcohol abuse while driving. 

Registration:  Americans who register in the Consular Section of 
the U.S. Embassy can obtain updated information on travel and 
security within the area.

 No. 92-039
From: twriter1@pencom.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: No smoking to Europe response
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:00:54 GMT
Reply-To: twriter1@pencom.com
Organization: Pencom Software

Thank you everyone for your feedback.

It has been requested that I post the responses to
my question about non-smoking flights to Europe.

It seems that Air-Canada does provide 100% non-smoking
trans-Atlantic flights.  Someone also suggested trying 
Singapore Air.

By the way, thanks for all the concern about smoke in 
Europe in general. We find that when prepared mentally, 
my husband can handle it okay, and it's worth it to him to 
suffer it to see Europe. (Although the prospect of no 
non-smoking hotel rooms is a little daunting.  Anyone have 
info about camping in Europe?  Another thread)

Tanya
twriter@pencom.com
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Smoke-free travel question
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:15:45 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

I hate smoke but am not allergic. Someone tipped me off that the 
top section of a 747 is all non-smoking. The air was quite pleasant up
there, relatively speaking. Of course, it's not hermetically sealed.


--
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MACS Dept, UMass/Boston               BITNET:ESCHWARTZ%UMBSKY.DNET@NS.UMB.EDU
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From:  tiv@gov.chel.su (Tambo\Ctsev Ilya)
Subject: Welcom into the Chelyabinsk / Ural / Rassia
Reply-To: tiv@gov.chel.su
Organization: Region Government
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 20:52:58 +0500


   Among East and West, on limit of Europe and Asia you'll see a beautiful
        world, the world of wonder things, people and nature.

                      WELCOM into the Russia !!!
                   WELCOM into the Ural !!!
              WELCOM into the Chelyabinsk!!!

 The Ural is most extensive and industrial part of exSovietUnion.
 Now it is most mobile part of growing Russian economics.

  Here is two offers from touring and hunting firm.
-----------------
 The "Diana - Tour" is a special firm in area of international hunting and
 fishing touring in Chelyabinsk region. We do hunting and fishin tours in
 traditional Russian style and especially for foreign tourist, hunters and
 fishers. The hunting tours are allowed and provided by Department of
 Hunting Industry with quality staff.
-----------------
 The "Victoriya" is a touring agancy  which realize a visits of foreign
 groups of tourists or businessmans to rest and to set a business meeting,
 conference, here in Chelyabinsk and Ural region. You can discover not only
 new people , you can build a areas of new market youself!
-----------------

  *** For more informations about service, transportation, prices
 for an individual tours or a groups of tours ,please call to E-mail address:

              tiv@gov.chel.su    OR   ilya@chel.su

   We also have an interest for business contact with Tour companies!

  If you have another interest in our region, please write to me, you message
  will be saved in Base of offers, and we try to find you want.
  In any case we inform you about it.

  Happy for you!

   Ilya Tambovtsev. ( Information Service)
From: jj1v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jennifer Jelovich)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Weather in New Orleans
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:48:14 GMT
Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



I am interested in finding out if anyone would have an idea as to what
the weather may be like the first week of November in New Orleans.
That's it.....just the weather. 
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: duck@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Lauriston)
Subject: Re: Milano
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:48:17 GMT


For walking around Milan, go to the Duomo and follow the crowds.
If the weather's nice, take the elevator to the top of the Duomo.
From: gbraun@beech.mitre.org (Gary A. Braun)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Hotel Recommendations in Salzburg and Garmisch
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:06:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The MITRE Corporation


I'm planning a trip to Salzburg and Garmisch-Partenkirchen for next July, and  
would like to stay in quaint hotels with private baths.  Can anyone recommend  
any nice, but not too expensive (<$100) hotels?  I'll have a car, so hotels in  
the countryside/mountains are suitable.  Thanks.
--

======================
gbraun@beech.mitre.org
======================
From: saxena@smsun9.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Direct Train from Venice to Naples (Italy)?
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:13:32 GMT
Reply-To: saxena@smsun9.crd.ge.com ()
Organization: General Electric Corp. R&D, Schenectady, NY


  Does anyone know if there is a direct overnight train from
Venice to Naples? Any idea on the timings of such a train?
 
 Thanks
 Mukul Saxena
 email: saxena@crd.ge.com
From: kleffner@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Daniel Kleffner)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Philadelphia-Calgary Ticket For Sale
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:10:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: trident.166
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas


For Sale:

1 ticket (male) Philadelphia to Calgary (connection in Dallas)

Tuesday, November 3, 
leaving 12:22 arriving 6:55.
American Airlines
$100
If interested contact me at
dkleffner@swri.edu or call Daniel at (512)681-2470
From: sue_d@plato.nwu.edu (SUE DAKIMOWICZ)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: ******** ST. CROIX  USVI*******
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:26:25 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: NU

I am going on my honeymoon to St. Croix on December 7 - 14.  Has anybody
out there ever been to Club St. Croix Hotel and Resort?

If so I'd love to hear about it!!!

Hope to hear form someone out there.  Bye!
From: voykhans@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: TRAVEL TO RUSSIA...
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:11:51 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

HI EVERYBODY,

EXPERIENCED RUSSIAN GUIDE IS PUTTING TOGRTHER A SERIOUS OF TOURS TO THE COUNTRIES OF COMMONWEALTH OF INDEPEN. STATES (RUSSIA/BALTIC STATES...).
THERE WILL BE TWO MAJOR PROGRAMMS OFFERED:
1. FOR LESURE AND INTERTAINMENT, BUSINESS
2. FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES. PREFERABLY FOR THE STUDENTS OF SECOND YEAR OF RUSSIAN.

IF INTERESTED PLEASE CONTACT US BY ANY OF FOLLOWING NUMBERS:
(913)749-5792
(913)841-1777 FAX
(913)832-2417 FAX
PO BOX 1314
LAWRENCE, KANSAS 66044-8314

WE WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
PLEASE MAKE A NOTE OF OUR BUSINESS HOURS M-F 6 P.M-9 P.M EST.
THANK YOU IRINA AND GRIGORY VOYKHANSKY
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: fm13@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de ()
Subject: Re: Canary Islands  Info request
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 15:30:16 GMT
Organization: RUM
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

There's quite a lot to do at the Canary Islands, but it depends on where
you are and what you want to do. The Canary Islands are very different from
each other, so that you can probably find what you like.
The most common destination is Gran Canaria. It is also the most touristic
of the islands with all the common touristic nightlife and those sort of 
things. Its main attractions are beaches.
Teneriffa is the biggest of the Canary Island. It also has big tourist re-
sorts and beaches, but it also has the biggest mountain of all spain, the
volcano Pico del Teide (3718m). It is accessible by a lift, but you have
to stand in line for several hours in order to get tickets. The view is
quite spectacular though. Teneriffa has both arid and rainy areas.
West of Teneriffa there are three smaller islands, where the easiest way to
get to is by car ferry. These islands are less touristic and more adventurous
to explore, but they have lots of things to offer.
La Gomera is very rugged and has hardly any part of a road going straight.
There are only very few beaches, but the island has a nice rainforest to
walk or drive through.
La Palma mainly consists of a giant crater. In the crater there are no roads
or towns; nothing but forests. It is a great area for hiking and camping
trips away from "civilization". Except for one area in the south of the
island you will meet far less tourists here than on any other of the Canary
Islands, and most of the locals don't speak any english.
El Hierro consits of the remains of an even bigger crater, what is left over
is mainly a giant wall of more than 1300m that the spanish thought to be the
end of the world before Columbus (it was the most western part explored). 
There is fog at almost any time on top of the wall.
Back to the east:
Fuertevetura's main attractions are again beaches, especially in the south.
Lanzarote has a very volcanic appearance. Although the most recent volcanic 
activity on the islands was not here but in La Palma, big parts of the island
are covered with small volcanos and lava, and not just black but also orange, 
red and yellow.
On all of the islands rental cars are available at reasonable rates, the 
cheapest on Lanzarote (approx. US$15-20/day) for a small car, the most ex-
pensive on Hierro (US$30-40/day). Alcohol and smokes are very cheap on the
islands. You can get rooms in small hotels in all bigger towns when you
travel around on the islands, but the most common way is to visit just one
island by package trip (what I don't recommend as you mainly see your resort
hotel and hardly anything else, but it is cheap particularly from Europe).
Temperatures are 20-25 degrees Centigrade (don't ask me what that is in 
Fahrenheit) all year round. Don't expect to have sunny wheather every day,
on most islands rain and wind is quite frequent, but it never gets cold.
After all quite a nice area that offers a lot as any island is very different.

Andreas
fm13@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de

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