HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous)
Subject: Re: OFTV 3
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:45:35 GMT

DAMATO@unc.oit.unc.edu (Victor A D'Amato) writes:

>Anyone know what show or shows will be featured in the next vault
>release?  Last I heard, something from 1973 or 1974 was getting the
>nod.  Anything from Oct., Nov., or December 1973 would be ideal in
>my opinion!

>Vic

6-10-73 gets my vote.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: wtr@mitre.org (Bill Ralston)
Subject: Re: Nice work Curtiss Moffitt!!!
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:28:52 GMT

I second that!  I very rarely find messages that need to be printed and 
studied, but Curtiss' message is one of those.  I've been getting really 
discusted sorting through all the flaming about what should and shouldn't 
be posted on here, and had almost lost hope.  Thanks for taking the time 
to type all that in Curtiss.

Although I spend a lot of time just listening and enjoying, I also 
sometimes like to try and analyze what it is about the Dead music that 
makes it so special.  I think you need to look at it on a lot of levels. 
The tonal structure is just one of many ways to cut it, and even in that 
way there may be other interpretations than just a modal one.

---------------
wtr@mitre.org
** Opinions are mine only, and not my employer's **
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: mad4@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Maddex)
Subject: Jerry get well card?
Reply-To: mad4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Pranksters for Peace
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:20:09 GMT

The header says most of it.  Catfish did a great job w/the Brent condolence
card, so maybe somebody would like to do a get well soon card for Jer.

On a related note, I think we need to try to get the guy to take better care
of himself.  I remember when he got busted and it seemed like no big deal, 
then when he went into a coma I, along w/a lot of others panicked and  wondered
whether we should have worried earlier.   Fall and summer tours this year he 
looked worse than ever, even just pre coma.  I know it's none of our business,
but the current crisis seems to indicate that he don't feel so great, so any
support we give him in that regard might be welcomed.  (Maybe get him a referal
to the McDougal Program.)  After all, if we got 'em to stop doing Dayjob, we
oughta be able to convince him to feel better:-)

Worriedly,

MADNESS
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: tindall@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Tindall)
Subject: Dead Sound (Duh- Which way did they go George?)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:27:24 GMT

  Damn Vic!  I always thought it was the orange juice.  Kind
of turned an ordinary concert into getting painlessly run over
by a freight train and given the task of reassembling yourself
better than before so you could leave the parking lot.  It was
simpler in the good ol' days when all you had to do was find
your tent sometime in the next three days.  Bob talks about
striking an archetypical chord with the music.  I always saw
that chord as WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
and once it's been hit, the body remembers it for the rest of
this incarnation.  
  You mean Donna's out of the Band?  Well at least they still 
got the Wall of Sound.  Hey!  What's in this orange juice?
Is that the same song Bobby was singing an hour ago?  Jezus! 

                         eagle
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Re:  smokin' at shows
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:41:27 GMT

| is illegal <do get that part? it's not only NOT your right to
|smoke in public areas,

Sorry, but it is not illegal to smoke in public areas EVERYWHERE!
i don't know which police state you live in, but even here in
health conscious California, they don't shoot you for smoking
a cigarette on the street (yet).

Reminds me of the Grateful Dead Tour of Europe in 1990.
I was getting off the Metro in Paris and heading out to
the street.  Now in Paris, smoking is very accepted.  In
fact, people smoke right down to the subway car and light
up as soon as they get off the train.  So about 100 people
are walking down the hall toward the exit.  And this young
French guy lights a cigarette.  This woman turns to him
and in English (actually in American) says, "Put that thing
out.  I don't want you smoking near me."

I felt like turning in my passport!  Obnoxious bitch.
I don't know if the guy understood her or not. He didn't 
slow down and went on about his business.  I felt like
telling her to go take a shower cuz her perfume (if you
could call it that) was so fucking noxious that i was
about to pass out.

steve-too

 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "Daniel P. Rease x" <dpr@eagle.jhuapl.edu>
Subject: Where ya been?
Reply-To: dpr@eagle.jhuapl.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:49:00 GMT

Hey guys are you still out there please let me know
I'd like to continue thanx Dano
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: You've got the right one, baby...uh huh
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:06:18 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Aug13.132925.4077@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> TOUTKOUS@vx.cis.umn.edu writes:
>Perhaps Uncle Bobo will be putting smilin' Ray out of a job soon?

	I wish... :-(  But I reckon it's too late for that.
From: pc@slipknot.eng.pyramid.com (pc)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Brent w/ daughter on bench?
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:29:24 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology

In article <13316.2a88eb96@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> cpalmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>Does anyone know at which show Brent's daughter was sitting with 
>hin on the piano bench while he sang I Will Take You Home?
>(There's a picture of it inside the Without A Net Album).
>Thabks for any responses...

He did this at the last Shoreline run before he died.  I forget which 
night.

pc

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From: pfein@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Peter Fein)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: allman hotline #
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:33:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: gandalf.Aug.19.01.33.10.1992.27694
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Can anyone please mail me or post the allman brothers hotline # or
tell me the location where they are playing in stowe vermont.  
Thanks

pfein@gandalf.rutgers.edu
Pete
From: pstevens@Metaphor.COM (Paul Stevens)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Questions for musicologists
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:53:04 GMT
Reply-To: pstevens@Metaphor.COM (Paul Stevens)
Organization: m4

In article <1992Aug12.140459.4135@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Victoria.M.Haliburton@dartmouth.edu (Victoria M. Haliburton) writes:
|> Rob: I do appreciate your effort, thanks, but I'm afraid you haven't
|> gone anywhere but around a circle. You've said the sound is distinct
|> because it's distinct and the beat takes its time because it takes its
|> time. Can anyone give a more enlightening explanation?
|> Thanks
|> Vic

Ok, I'll give a shot!

I'm not sure if I understand whether the question about the Dead's sound
refers to their compositions or their playing.  While some of the
Dead's own songs are interesting compositions I don't think that their
composing style is what enables us to instantly recognize their playing.
I think it is just that we all are so familiar with their each of
the band member's musical voices, especially the guitars.  What makes
the voices distinct?  I think it's the combination of favorite effects,
and the use of certain licks and scales when improvising.

As for St. Stephen, the tempo IS slow.  I think it's around 60 beats
per minute (A rousing march is 120).  Also, it's not your typical 
rock and roll beat.  The sacred back-beat where the snare drum emphasizes
the seconds and fourth beat of each measure is not followed.  There
is more emphasis on the downbeats (1 and 3).  I think this leads to
the feel that is refered to.
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+

   Paul Stevens                        {apple|decwrl}!metaphor!pstevens
   Metaphor Computer Systems           pstevens@metaphor.com
   Mountain View, CA
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From: tnf@well.sf.ca.us (David Gans)
Subject: GDH in Rochester
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:53:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.014336.239@ultb.isc.rit.edu> rar6811@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

		[description of GDH203 deleted]

>How come this wasn't the show played in Rochester on Aug 10.  I thought
 that the announcer said it was GDH #203 but it was different from the one
 posted above.  It included a Terrapin in the second half.  Will the above show
 be played in Rochester?

You probably heard GD Hour #202, and you'll probably hear #203 next week.

-- 

	David Gans	tnf@well.sf.ca.us
			{apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!tnf

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From: begonias@wam.umd.edu (Jeremy Ritzer)
Subject: PERSONAL TO FRANK CAHERTY
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:06:27 GMT


Haven't heard anything from you since I e-mailed my list.  Were the Santana's
	on the way to me?  Did you find two sets from my lists that would make
	a trade worthwhile for you?
I am mving at the end of the month (29th)....  Will we have something going by
	then, or should we wait until I can send you my new address?  My e-mail
	address wil stayn the same.......
Thanks again, and I hope we can work something out......
jeremy


-- 
Popular culture is the art of making do with what the system provides!
                 Jeremy Ritzer          begonias@wam.umd.edu
From: rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: A BREAK FROM REGULAR PROGRAMMING !!!!!!
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:47:03 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

Well kids, it happened ! ;)  :)  :)  :)  :)  ;) ! 


Since I've been working here at LATER hours
lately, I've been catching all this FLAMING and other assorted folly 
during the time which used to signal the end of my day. Not exactly what I like
to psyche myself up with before I go head long into SPSS runs or whatever
programming I'm doing here. But I cant go a day without reading/writing in 
this newsgroup, so just shutting it off has been impossible. I treat it as my
connection out of places I'd rather not be.... 

Anyway, I just had to thank y'all for taking things so easy today! Maybe its
respect for JERRY, or each other, I dont know. But today I saw some nice 
reflective posts, pseudo-strangers helping each other out, and even a joke 
(or truth) from wharfie! Thanks, kids, we all do share something here that is 
very special, and every now and then we show it. It doesnt have to be like this
all the time, and a little constructive criticism/argument with each other/band
members/scene is not always a bad thing. BUT... Let's try to do this again
sometime soon. 

AND JERRY, PLEASE TAKE CARE, AND DONT RETURN BEFORE YOU ARE READY. FALL, OR NO
FALL, LIFE JUST WOULDN'T BE THE SAME WITHOUT YA!


Peace, y'all.

!eric!

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Newpaper Article on Jerry 8/14/92
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:26:57 GMT



From the San Francisco Chronicle, Friday August 14, 1992


GARCIA ILLNESS MORE THAN 'EXHAUSTION'
 Future of Grateful Dead hangs on guitarist's recovery

by Joel Selvin, Chronicle Pop Music Writer

Despite official denials by the bands's office,
the illness of Jerry Garcia apparently leaves the
future of the Grateful Dead very much in doubt.
His condition appears to be far more serious
than official reports of "exhaustion."

Although the group still plans to mount an 18 city
East Coast tour staring September 9 in Washington,
D.C., Garcia, the group's lead guitarist, will
continue his recovery at home.  Symptoms of Garcia's
recent collapse apparently included an enlarged
heart and fluid in his lungs, symptoms doctors
call strongly indicative of heart failure.

Garcia, who turned 50 last week, canceled
appearances by his solo band last weekend at the
Warfield Theater.  Concerts scheduled to take
place at the end of this month in Oregon and at
the Shoreline Amphitheater were cancelled earlier
this week.  Sales of tickets for the East Coast
shows were suspended pending Garcia's continued
recovery.

Dead drummer Mickey Hart reported that Garcia
is now exercising and has stopped smoking.  His
previous concession to health was a switch from
unfiltered to low-nicotine cigarets.

"I'm not hysterical and I don't know anybody
who is hysterical," Hart said.  "He's been
better, but he's been worse."

Garcia, who entered the hospital in 1986 in a
diabetic coma and was placed on a dialysis
machine, is known for poor health habits.
In addition to cigaret smoking, he is overweight
and routinely indulges his fondness for chili
dogs and milkshakes, a potentially fatal combination
for a diabetic, according to doctors.

Following his 1986 collapse, the Dead did not
perform for more than five months.  The Grateful
Dead, who emerged from the Haight-Ashbury rock
scene 27 years ago, are currently the leading
concert attraction in the country, having earned
more than $30 million last year at the box office
and selling out all the appearances they've
made this year.  Garcia plays such a key role
in the band that the group won't consider performing
without him.

According to the Dead office, an announcement
on the East Coast dates will be made sometime
next week.

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "Doug Budzak" <DBUDZAK@IVY>
Subject: wharf rat
Reply-To: DBUDZAK@IVY
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 12:28:05 GMT

Yet another gentle addition to the Wharf Rat like/don't like
discussion:

Gail Edwards put it beautifully, i.e. 2-18-71 DS->Wharf Rat->Dark Star.
That was my first introduction to Wharf Rat, and is still one of my
favorite Dead songs. These 2 songs flow so very nicely in and out of
each other.

Get well, Jerry!
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: glick@biostat.washington.edu (Michael Glick)
Subject: rads tix 4 sale
Organization: Biostatistics, School of Public Health, Univ. of Wash.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:49:38 GMT

Tix for THE RADIATORS in Eugene,OR on Friday, Aug.21 and Saturday, Aug.22
for sale. Best Offer........Call or email

(206)547-0487       glick@spock.biostat.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re: St. Stephen music structure (was Re: Questions for musicologists)
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:55:23 GMT

>
>Hmmmmmm.  II - V - I ?  I don't quite see it... I may be wrong but it looks
>like   V - IV - I  to me - even more common than II - V - I...  It's a basic
>blues turnaround that hangs on the V...  I attributed the dragging to the
>fact that, if a song hangs on the dom7 (the V) it will coax the listener 
>very heavily into wanting to hear the tonic, thus the "want" causes the 
>"dragging".  Although I do agree about the tempo changes.  St. Stephen
>is all over the place tempo-wise...
>    Also, we might want to note that, believe it or not St. Stephen is played
>as a BALLAD!????   Yeah, quarternote drops is the rhythm and these can tend 
>to be off beat.   Also, this injects a lot of "space" into the tune.
>Actually, St. Stephen is mostly space (more silence than music) and a lot 
>of space can definately make a song seem to drag compared to other dead songs
>which are very much full (hardly any space). 
>
>
 I may have just fucked up a little here. E D A E is II I V II in the key of
 D major <assuming E major is a secondary dominant substitution for the normallyminor ii chord>...but if it's in A your progression is V IV I your right, but
 your also wrong because thats not a common progression, in fact when the dominant chord is followed by a preparation chord <ie. ii or IV> its a retrogression
 and your thing about the expectation of the Dominant chord goes out the window
 with it. I have to admit that I've never played the chords for St. Stephen
 so I'll have to take your word for E D A E until I dig up a listen to it 
 for the harmony. Did you get those chords from that song-book or did you 
 take them off a tape?
 -bq
From: eris@tc.fluke.COM (Chris Beckmeyer)
Subject: Re: Big Big <sigh>
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:25:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.022441.20706@pony.Ingres.COM> reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.004007.11886@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Victoria.M.Haliburton@dartmouth.edu (Victoria M. Haliburton) writes:
>>Aw, c'mon reb, I think I grew up some time, maybe around my fortieth
>>birthday. 
>>Just let the little boys scream kindergarten insults at each other and
>>look around for the real people. They're out there.
>
>
>There are  too many kindergarteners  slinging mud and  screaming ... I
>GUESS THE REST OF US WILL HAVE TO TALK LOUDER.
>
>
>HOW 'BOUT THOSE METS?
>
>		;-) ;-) ;-)
>					reb

i'm too old to shout ;-)  energy's better spent sending good karma jerry's
way.  i'm planning on spending my field trip time in western montana now instead
of oregon.  never been there before.  any experiences to share?

and two more cents' worth...the youngsters will learn soon that shouting and
name-calling gets 'em nowhere but ignored.  even though they're occasionally
ill-behaved, i enjoy the second generation heads. i hope all you old-timers havehad/will have as grand a time sharing the dead and a very special culture with
your children as i've had with mine.  with a just a little care, all good things
mellow in time. i can't help but smile at the thought of how soon the third gen-eration will be heard here as well. yes, with more year-long rounds of shouting and name-calling no doubt.

thanks-

chris
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Rob Gilde <gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com>
Subject: Correction to "Life After The Dead" announcement!!!
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:13:24 GMT

In my haste to get this info out, I screwed up!

The correct dates are Saturday August 22 and Sunday August 23.  
                             
Sorry.

Rob
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Victor A D'Amato <DAMATO@unc.oit.unc.edu>
Subject: Wharf Rat
Reply-To: DAMATO@unc.oit.unc.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:01:45 GMT

Wharf Rat was my favorite Dead song for a while when I first was
getting into them.  In particular, the version from Skull & Roses
(live from 1971) really did it for me.  That one doesn't even have the
wild jam at the end of the song.  I still really like the song, mainly
for the great lyrics and vocal harmonies and, of course, the great
jamming that is characteristic of the song these days.  In fact, the
jams, even before the return of Dark Star in '89, always have had a
sort of Dark Star quality (the common A/Em modal tonality and the free
feel of the song).  I'll take a Dew or Comes a Time or China Doll
in that post-space Jerry ballad slot though.

Vic
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the musicality of the Dead
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:56:51 GMT

>
>Actually, Jerry starts by learning the vocal melody on his guitar.  Then
>he modifies it a bit and starts playing around more and more ...   But by
>starting with the vocal melody, he makes sure that he can follow the
>changes.
>
>Richard Stern
>rstern@col.hp.com
>

D
Well, playing the vocal melody and modifying it is no gurantee that you're
playing the changes- to a jazzer at least. You have to articulate the
progression so that if everybody but the soloist were mixed out completely,
it would still be perfectly clear what the changes you were playing over 
were- you CAN do that with Bird or any of the Bop greats. But Jerry's 
not that kind of player- he's playing in a different style and none
of the Dead's tunes run a gamut of changes like that...modal playing
isn't about changes.

Well learning the tune is not gurantee that you'll play the changes

Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:53:48 -0400 
From: Kenneth Murphy <km0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Does Garcia have an obligation?

Hey now,
Jerry is an artist.
We are those lucky enough to have witnessed it.
He has no obligation to us.
Obligation, NOT
Ken
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: richard farrar <farrar@mailhost.adaclabs.com>
Subject: Re: Deadicated II
Reply-To: farrar@mailhost.adaclabs.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:32:11 GMT

How about
	King Crimson - "Unusual Occurances in the Desert/Feedback"
	Ornette Coleman - "Tennessee Jed"
	Steve Morse Band/Dregs - "Terrapin Station"
	John Cale/Lou Reed - "New Speedway Boogie"
	Brian Eno - "Truckin'"
	Bob Dylan - "Desolation Row" (well, at least Bob can REMEMBER the words)
	Richard Thompson - "Death Don't Have no Mercy"
	Manuel Noriega - "US Blues"
From: castro@alm.admin.usfca.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: RE: Dead-Flames Digest #155
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:38:32 GMT
Reply-To: castro@alm.admin.usfca.edu
Organization: The Internet

I think this discussion of the technical side of the Dead's music
is one of the first worthwhile educational things I've read on
this Net. Good Going, Keep it up.
From: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com (Rob Gilde)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Announcing "Life After The Dead" Eugene, August 29 and 30
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:28:36 GMT
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet

"Life After The Dead"

weekend of August 29 and 30
Conde Lumberyard, Harrisburg, OR
between Eugene and Coburg - Take I5 exit 209

$5/day
$15/weekend - includes camping!  
No re-entry.

Gates open Saturday at 9pm.  Festival ends Sunday evening.

Bands:

Dead Ringers (Tom Constanten + others)
Little Women
Clan Dyken
Renegade Saints
International Anthem
Hairy Mamas
+ some surprises
+ many more 

Other entertainment includes Ken Kesey and his "Magic Bus" and other
surprises.

There will be food booths and other vendors.

There is water on site.

This is a smaller festival (5000-6000 people) to take the place of the
cancelled Third Decadenal Field Trip.  It has absolutely nothing to do
with Oregon Country Fair or Field Trip Productions.  This is a
community/family event.  The purpose is to recoup some of the economic
losses to the community and turn an unfortunate situation into a good
time.

For additional information, call Bill Conde at 503-995-6164.  I suggest
you think twice before calling him.  He has less than 100 hours to get
this whole thing together.

I will post more details as soon as I get them from the promoter.  This
is all the info I have.  Please do not send me email regarding this.

There is absolutely no connection between myself or my employer and the
producers of this event.