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From: vickroy@skink.cis.ohio-state.edu (james michael vickroy)
Subject: Need map3270 for Sun
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:19:47 GMT

HELP!

I'm using tn3270 on a Sparcstation IPX (OW 3.0) to get to tso
and I'm having problems mapping the pf keys.  oes anyone have a
map3270 (and maybe a termcap entry) for this configuration?

thanks in advance,
jim
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From: pabakke@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Peter Bakke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: realxfishdb: where's the fish?
Date: 22 Nov 92 02:55:58 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <4420@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> l1ngo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Linh Ngo) writes:
>I'm having problems getting realxfishdb to run. I've setup a .fishrc
>via fish_props and the FISHHOME environment variable. When I run
>realxfishdb, all I get is the background (with sea-sickness toggleable).
>Hints or suggestions welcome.
>

It only seems to work if you set it up for just one fish, and
even then it doesn't work very well.
From: brossard@siisun.epfl.ch (Alain Brossard EPFL-SIC/SII)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: AnswerBook with X11r5??
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:46:19 GMT
Reply-To: brossard@sic.epfl.ch
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <15505@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:
|> 
|> >(ever try to wrestle with CD Manager under mwm and the "real" X server?)
|> 
|> If that's the CD Manager that comes with various Sun CD-ROMs, the
|> problem probably has nothing to do with "mwm"; it has to do with the
|> fact that the application checks to see whether it's running under an
|> environment that can support it by checking whether it's running on top
|> of the X11/NeWS server, as I remember (it checks for the "NEWSSERVER"
|> environment variable, or something such as that).  The damn thing should
|> use some other technique for figuring out if the environment can support
|> it, if it doesn't use NeWS.

   I don't know what the problem you are having is, but I've used
the cdmanager with tvtwm and the MIT R5 server and never had any problems.
It certainly doesn't check which server is actually running.

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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: AnswerBook with X11r5??
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:07:19 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>   I don't know what the problem you are having is, but I've used
>the cdmanager with tvtwm and the MIT R5 server and never had any problems.
>It certainly doesn't check which server is actually running.

One version of the CDManager did what I'd mentioned.  They could have
fixed it in a later version; dunno which version the original complainer
was using.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: toby@icl.co.nz (Toby Bradwell)
Subject: SunNet OSI & SunNet MHS - outgoing connections
Keywords: SunNet OSI MHS X.400 RFC822 piggyback packets
Reply-To: toby@nezsupp.icl.co.nz (Toby Bradwell)
Organization: Fujitsu ICL NZ Ltd, Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:17:04 GMT

I need just a smidgen of help with these two products (don't we all :-)

I have configured SunNet OSI to do null-network with an LSAP of 0x14 (rather
than the default of 0xfe)

The problem I have is that mail passing through the RFC-822 -> X.400 gateway
that has come from the unix side of the gateway stalls in the outgoing RTS
queue.  The MHS trace shows that the conversation is terminated at the
transport level with "bad parameters".

Mail from the X.400 side to the Unix side is fine, and unix mail that
originates from the gateway (destined for X.400 recipients) is fine too.  It's
only unix mail that comes from beyond the gateway machine that has this
problem.

I have run an ethernet trace on the Conversation and it appears that the
Sun is either objecting to a valid credit reduction request from the called
machine or is concatenating data onto the back of an ACK (which is against
the OSI rules).

If anyone is able to help I'm sure that we can come to some arrangement
about the transmission of configs/traces, etc.

Toby
-- 
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Networked Systems, Fujitsu NZ Ltd (inc ICL NZ)  toby@icl.co.nz
"I would be perfectly happy with vinyl phonograph records"
    -- William Gibson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: john@zaphod.jsc.nasa.gov (John Fwu/HawkEye)
Subject: Serial I/O with both parity?
Organization: nasa-jsc
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:22:18 GMT

Dear Sun Experts:

We got an 12-bit plus sign A/D converter with asynchronous
serial interace.  The way it send 12 bit is pad the 12 bit
into two bytes.  The lower byte has "even parity" and the upper
byte has "odd parity".  We need to base on the parity to figure
out the byte order then put the 12 bit data together.

Base on my experience, we either set the serial communication
on "odd" or "even" parity.  How can we handle both parity at
the same time.  May be we may set the parity to "even", then 
the upper byte will cause a "parity error".  How can we detect
the "parity error" or it just not available in the SUN's tty
driver?  If we were able to detect the parity error, can we
also get the upper byte intact?

Your help will be appreciated very much.  If possible please
CC to me at "john@trillian.jsc.nasa.gov", since our news server
is not stable recently.

Help!!!!!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: rdf@pinet.aip.org (Robert Feinman)
Subject: Scanners -> Sun
Organization: pinet.aip.org
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 20:25:02 GMT

Can anyone give advice on using graphics scanners on Suns?
I want to control the scanner from the workstation and edit the graphics
file and then merge it into a text file on another (Unix) system for
eventual output on a postscript typesetter.

Any ideas of suitable hardware and graphics editing software would be
appreciated.

-- 
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American Institute of Physics				rdf@aip.bitnet
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From: shellh@orca.wv.tek.com (Shell Haffner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: X performance on new Sun machines
Keywords: performance
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:46:37 GMT
Followup-To: shellh@orca.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.



Any body see or hear the X performance in X stones or X11perf of the
new Sun classic systems?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: joel@dseg.ti.com (Joel Quejada)
Subject: Sun PC/SunNet License Tips/Hints
Reply-To: joel@dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:31:49 GMT

I am having problems with Sun PC's SunNet license software, and am wondering
if anyone can offer any hints/tips/techniques that they have discovered
to make the SunNet software work better.

Here is my situation:

I have a machine (Sparc 2) that is my license server. However, I am not having
very much success checking a particular license from it. It may just be that
that particular license came on a corrupt disk, but this is supposed to be
a brand new one, newly arrived from Sun this morning. Anyone else seen this
problem? Does this sound definitely like a corrupt disk?

Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

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From: l1ngo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Linh Ngo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: realxfishdb: where's the fish?
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:21:37 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

I'm having problems getting realxfishdb to run. I've setup a .fishrc
via fish_props and the FISHHOME environment variable. When I run
realxfishdb, all I get is the background (with sea-sickness toggleable).
Hints or suggestions welcome.

Thanks,
Linh
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.apps:2495 comp.sys.sun.misc:5297 comp.windows.x.apps:1494 comp.text:1395
From: gohel@zeus.csee.usf.edu (Himanshu Gohel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.text
Subject: IslandDraw and TIFF files
Keywords: exporting TIFF files from Island
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:11:46 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: na
Organization: University of South Florida, Department of Computer Science and Engineering

Hardware: Sun SPARCs
Software: Island Write/Draw/Paint 3.0, IDL 2.3.2 (?) , xv 2.21

I was trying to export a drawing from IslandDraw in TIFF format.
I used the "Convert..." option in Island, and it wrote out what
is supposedly a TIFF file.

But that file can't be read in either 'xv' (a PD X program for
viewing images in various formats), or IDL (Interactive Display
Language, by RSI systems).  Both complain of "Incomplete scan
line data on line xxx"

I called Island, but their tech support said that Island writes
"uncompressed, 8-bit color images, version 5, class P" TIFF files.
They claim that the IDL or xv must not be able to read those formats.
But I've checked IDL the IDL source, and it supports classes G,P and R.
And I have a feeling that 'xv' does too.

Has anyone else had a problem with Island TIFF files?   How did you
solve it?  Island says there are no patches whatsoever.

Please reply by e-mail, and I will summarize if necessary.

Himanshu Gohel, gohel@csee.usf.edu
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From: jfw@neuro.duke.edu (John F. Whitehead)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Dvorak keyboard remapping for SS1 & OpenWindows?
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:23:37 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Does anyone have a utility that will allow me to type on my QWERTY
keyboard as if it were a Dvorak one?

I have a SparcStation 1, running 4.1.2 and OpenWindows 3.

I use Dvorak at home, and would like to be able to use it here at
work as well.

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From: spelce@siri.llnl.gov (    Tom Spelce              )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Port GL/Motif application to XGL/Motif on Sun
Keywords: XGL , Motif
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:31:41 GMT
Organization: Methods Development Group

I am looking into porting an SGI application which
uses the GL/Motif mixed model paradigm to the SUN using
MOTIF and XGL.

We're running DEC's MOTIF product on our SUNS. Has anyone 
in netland attempted a similar port ? I've experimented a
bit with the software. With simple problems I've had
much better success with OpenLook than Motif, not 
unexpectedly !  

Tom Spelce
Methods Development Group
LLNL, spelce@llnl.gov
510-423-7910

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: elling@eng.auburn.edu (Richard Elling)
Subject: Re: realxfishdb: where's the fish?
Reply-To: elling@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:29:43 GMT

I saw realxfishdb running on an SS-LX under Solaris 2.1 with 8 fish.
The response seemed actually reasonable.  I don't know if they
multithreaded it or what, but it was certainly more impressive than
running it on a SS-2.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: mqc4r@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Mark Quintin Congdon)
Subject: Availability of X-windows .voc or .snd reader?
Originator: mqc4r@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:56:27 GMT

OK, I've archie'd for sound and for audio, perused X-window 
archives, and have yet to find an X-windows based audio file
player.  I'm looking for something SPARCStation 1+ or IPX
compatible.  Any ideas?
				Gratefully,
				      Quintin

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: ingwa@isy.liu.se (Inge Wallin)
Subject: Re: Rendering/Animation software for Sun 4/260?
Organization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:03:48 GMT

scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure) writes:


>Hi all,

>	I am looking for 3D rendering/animation software that will
>run on a Sun 4/260.  Any info is appreciated.

>Thanks in advance,

>Scott

You should try SIPP, available via anonymous ftp from isy.liu.se
(130.236.1.3) in the directory pub/sipp.  The latest version is 3.0,
but 3.1 is not far away.

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Inge Wallin
ingwa@isy.liu.se
Dept. of EE
Linkoping University
Sweden
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: AnswerBook with X11r5??
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:40:11 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>So let's say one is not running twm but is running the Motif Window
>Manager (mwm).  There is a known problem with mwm under the OW server
>(Button 3 hangs the server).  How can the mwm user get to use AnswerBook
>or any of the other X-incompatible programs Sun decided to heap on us?

Is that one of the server bugs fixed by patch 100444-18, "Openwindwos
V3: xnews server patch 3000-27"?  If so, "by installing that patch" may
be the answer to the question.

>(ever try to wrestle with CD Manager under mwm and the "real" X server?)

If that's the CD Manager that comes with various Sun CD-ROMs, the
problem probably has nothing to do with "mwm"; it has to do with the
fact that the application checks to see whether it's running under an
environment that can support it by checking whether it's running on top
of the X11/NeWS server, as I remember (it checks for the "NEWSSERVER"
environment variable, or something such as that).  The damn thing should
use some other technique for figuring out if the environment can support
it, if it doesn't use NeWS.

>For that matter when is Sun, the company that screems "we're standard"
>stop trying to set the standards and follow them so that in the age of
>"right sizing" (don't ya love newspeak? :-) we can spend a couple of
>grand on an X-terminal and not thousands more on a machine we do not
>really need?

Given that the question is rhetorical and not particularly precise, I
can only attempt to guess what you mean, but if the non-rhetorical
question behind it is "when is Sun going to stop putting out
applications that require NeWS?", I suspect the answer is "in Open
Windows 4.0", if they have, indeed, shot NeWS in the head as their deal
with Adobe hints they've done.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: AnswerBook with X11r5??
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:13:37 GMT

In article <MITCHELL.92Nov9000134@rose.uchicago.edu> mitchell@cs.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>>>> "DS" == Damir Sudar <damir@white.lbl.gov> writes:
>
>  DS> Hi,
>
>  DS> I just installed AnswerBook and found out that it seems to
>  DS> require running under OpenWindows 3. I don't like OpenWindows
>  DS> and would like to use it under X11r5 with twm. Does anybody know
>  DS> a way to make it run that way??
>
>  DS> Thanks,
>  DS> - Damir
>
>
>There have already been several postings explaining one approach.  If
>you don't care for the complication of that approach, consider this:
>is it OpenWindows per se that you don't like, or just olwm (the window
>manager) and the deskset and the OpenLook style?  Because you ccan run
>the openwindows server (including the NeWS capability that's needed
>for Answer Book) but use TWM as the window manager.  We have a few
>users doing that, without too many problems.

So let's say one is not running twm but is running the Motif Window
Manager (mwm).  There is a known problem with mwm under the OW server
(Button 3 hangs the server).  How can the mwm user get to use AnswerBook
or any of the other X-incompatible programs Sun decided to heap on us?
(ever try to wrestle with CD Manager under mwm and the "real" X server?)

(I feel like causing trouble.  After all, it's Friday the 13th!)
For that matter when is Sun, the company that screems "we're standard"
stop trying to set the standards and follow them so that in the age of
"right sizing" (don't ya love newspeak? :-) we can spend a couple of
grand on an X-terminal and not thousands more on a machine we do not
really need?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: acb@Ziggy.csl.ncsu.edu (Andrew C. Burnette)
Subject: Re: Alternatives to FrameMaker
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:06:46 GMT


|> jstander@ml.csiro.au (Jeff Stander) writes:
|> : I heard WordPerfect 5.1 is now available on Sun. 
|> : Anybody have any experience with it?
I've seen the UNIX versions of WP.   I know word processors,  and WP,  you are not one.

Just kidding.  But seriously,  it looks like a d-mn pc,  circa 1982,  without
any window ops or anything.  Get serious,  can I interest any WP programmers in
some low milage punch cards?  How bout some bad LaTeX files.

Framemaker is real cool.  Decwrite is nice also.  Interleaf is cute,  but a resource hog.
island wriet is also nice(cool demo CD).

If it walks like a pc,  and quacks like one,  it must be a pc program....
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Computer Systems Laboratory 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: arthum@nuge106.its.rpi.edu.its1 (Michael Rene Arthur)
Subject: DevGuide FAQ
Reply-To: arthum@nuge106.its.rpi.edu.its1
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:21:50 GMT


Is there an FAQ available on DevGuide?

If not, is there any public-domain information on DevGuide available on the Net
(technical information, that is)?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: earle@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Greg Earle - Gainfully Unemployed)
Subject: CDmanager (was: Re: AnswerBook with X11r5??)
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.apps
Keywords: cdmanager
Organization: Former Sun Employees Of The World United
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:51:17 GMT

In article <15505@auspex-gw.auspex.com> guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:
>>(Ever try to wrestle with CD Manager under mwm and the "real" X server?)
>
>If that's the CD Manager that comes with various Sun CD-ROMs, the
>problem probably has nothing to do with "mwm"; it has to do with the
>fact that the application checks to see whether it's running under an
>environment that can support it by checking whether it's running on top
>of the X11/NeWS server, as I remember (it checks for the "NEWSSERVER"
>environment variable, or something such as that).  The damn thing should
>use some other technique for figuring out if the environment can support
>it, if it doesn't use NeWS.

I dunno if this is evidence for Great Minds Think Alike (-: but cdmanager
*used to* check for NEWSSERVER being set, until I turned the blowtorch on
high in an internal Sun e-mail.  The next version of "cdmanager" after that
(and since then) have looked at DISPLAY instead, like it should have all along.

>>For that matter when is Sun, the company that screems "we're standard"
>>stop trying to set the standards and follow them so that in the age of
>>"right sizing" (don't ya love newspeak? :-) we can spend a couple of
>>grand on an X-terminal and not thousands more on a machine we do not
>>really need?
>
>Given that the question is rhetorical and not particularly precise, I
>can only attempt to guess what you mean, but if the non-rhetorical
>question behind it is "when is Sun going to stop putting out
>applications that require NeWS?", I suspect the answer is "in Open
>Windows 4.0", if they have, indeed, shot NeWS in the head as their deal
>with Adobe hints they've done.

And I suspect that Guy is, as usual, correct.  No, actually, I know he is
correct (-:  NeWS est morte, pardon mon Francais (-:
From: ballen@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Bruce Allen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: SPICE for sparcstations
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:39:12 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

Is the SPICE circuit emulation package public domain?  If so,
could someone point me to an anonymous FTP archive with a
Sun-4 version of the code?  

If there is another circuit simulation package that can emulate
fairly simple circuits made of resistors, capacitors, inductors,
diodes, transistors, and op amps, I would be grateful for hints.
My needs are fairly low frequency.

B. Allen  (ballen@dirac.phys.uwm.edu -- please respond directly).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure)
Subject: Rendering/Animation software for Sun 4/260?
Organization: Ryptyde TimeSharing, San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:25:20 GMT


Hi all,

	I am looking for 3D rendering/animation software that will
run on a Sun 4/260.  Any info is appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Scott

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From: luiland@meaddata.com (Yum Ting Lui)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: realxfishdb: where's the fish?
Date: 22 Nov 1992 20:53:22 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
NNTP-Posting-Host: hercules.meaddata.com

In article <1992Nov22.025558.4279@afterlife.ncsc.mil> pabakke@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Peter Bakke) writes:
>In article <4420@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> l1ngo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Linh Ngo) writes:
>>I'm having problems getting realxfishdb to run. I've setup a .fishrc
>>via fish_props and the FISHHOME environment variable. When I run
>>realxfishdb, all I get is the background (with sea-sickness toggleable).
>>Hints or suggestions welcome.
>>
>
>It only seems to work if you set it up for just one fish, and
>even then it doesn't work very well.

This question comes up every month.  Answer book suggest getting the
fixed version from 2/1991 Catalyst CD.  OL FAQ suggest getting a version
from ftp.eng.auburn.edu [131.204.10.91] as /pub/xrealfishdb.Z. 

On my Sparc 2, it drastically slowed my machine to a crawl even with a
few fishes.  I suggest you get contrib/xfishtank.tar.Z from
export.lcs.mit.edu, you can use the same fishes and background as
realxfishdb and you can still do real work.


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