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From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:51:59 GMT

kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard) writes:

>her a "Silly Bigot Sistah".  I think with your opinion you are a silly
>sell out.   Sort of like mc Mallet a.k.a. Hammer buying police cars and
>copters for Oaktown rollers.  Since when would that help the
>neighborhoods?   He should have helped the schools, but that's another
>issue anyway.

I'm no fan of Hammer's, but this could make sense if they had good
community-based policing (which I think was one of Huey P's goals
many years ago). But in any case, this sort of thing isn't surprising
since Hammer is the prototypical American capitalist just like J.B.,
who supported Ronald Reagan at the same time his life was unravelling
from the long-term effects of P-Funk.
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
From: johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Good Quote
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:49:53 GMT
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison

In article <clg1.711752691@Ra.MsState.Edu> clg1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chris  
"deephouse" Gray) writes:
> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
> 
> >they [asian Americans] have achieved great
> >success economically in America. 
> 
> You know why? Because collectively they have refused to assimilate 
> with this society. Many of them are proud of their heritage and are able
> to see White AmeriKKKa for what it really is.  As far as the Japanese  
are
> concerned, many of them have not forgetten when Sam dropped a bomb on  
their
> people..a predominately Christian community at that.  
>
     In the past, perhaps, but personal observation and the few studies  
I've read strongly suggest to me that asian Americans are rapidly dropping  
their ancestral heritage/group identity in favor of total integration  
(even assimilation) into American society, e.g. I read a study that  
reported that 90% of japanese Americans have intermarried with white  
Americans by the third generation. That's pretty high. I don't know what  
the precise numbers are for other asian American groups, but judging from  
all the asian/white couples on this campus, I wouldn't be surprised if  
they are quite high as well.
>   
> --
> BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS
> Mr. Christopher L. Gray   * Blak Kings and Queens 
> clg1@ra.MsState.edu       *     Come Forth! 
> BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS*BLAKNESS

Arthur Johnson
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Department of Chemistry
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu
   
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From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.soviet,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Death of the Political Left (Marxist-Leninist warfare)
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:23:10 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

In article <1992Jul25.121530.9486@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott
Horne) writes: 
>In article <143nehINN6d3@agate.berkeley.edu>, tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU
(Tom Tedrick) writes:

><Let me try to condense Marxist-Leninist revolutionary doctrine. 

>The only things that are "condensing" here are the water droplets on your
>cold skull.

This is a very good example of Leninist rhethoric. When you have nothing to
say, hurl insults at your opponent. Lenin's works provide some
good examples (Materialism and Empiriocriticism comes to mind immediately).

><Basically political minorities are to be used by the left as fuel 
><for igniting revolutionary civil wars, then supressed once the left 
><has gained political power.

>Please tell me where "Marxist-Leninist revolutionary doctrine" says anything
>about suppression (note spelling) of "political minorities".  One or two
>citations from Marx and Lenin will suffice.

This is a STRATEGY, not a DOCTRINE and you know this very well. 
A good example: you claim that Marx and Lenin do not propose the suppression
of "political minorities" (Lenin does, of course). Suppose they did not make
these claims, so what? You are extremely critical of the US society and claim
that most of what we hear are lies. Why, then, should we believe the written
words of those two? Where's logic?

One good quote that I remember from Lenin: when he was exiled by the
government to Siberia (no, it wasn't that bad in the old days) he wrote
a letter home, bitterly complaining about the lack of well-trained servants
where he was staying.

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Ryan: What is it to you, demon?       //// Sergei Shimkevich             //
// Lune: It is Sir, Demon to you, worm!  //// shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu        //
// -Phantasy Star III                    ////                               //
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:12:53 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Jul27.155327.17632@seq.uncwil.edu>, frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
> 
> Sure, all of these weren't perfect measures, but all you do is whine
> and criticize efforts that have made AMERICA THE BEST PLACE IN THE
> WORLD FOR BLACK PEOPLE TO LIVE. I defy you to name a better place
> in this world for Black people to live. Also I defy you to say how
> YOU would have shown "concern about us.." and no whiny bullshit, I
> want specifics. Since you seem to be able to criticize, then lets
> hear what you would have done about this.

Ah .. let's see, the Caribbean possibly?  Life is much more than a collection
of material possessions, it's about having dignity and worth also.

McBean
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:58:06 GMT


Since "Aretha" didn't get it, maybe he is more familiar with an old saying
re: his statement about America being the best place for Blacks to live-
that a drowning man will reach for the point of a sword.

	-Kenny

p.s. - I'm sure anyone as competent as he trumpets himself to be could have
figured out what I was getting at- it's too bad he's resorted to flame-baiting.

-- 
Kenneth R. Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:51:43 GMT

	Is this the Democratic Party of the Civil Rights movement?

	I'm surprised that Clinton was able to get away with
	publicly humiliating the Reverend Jessee Jackson.

	I can understand Clinton's need to re-establish his credibility,
	but to do so at the Reverend Jackson's expense seems callous
	and makes a very negative statement about our society.

		Is it really necessary to bash-away at
		a respected African American politician
		in order to gain political credibility?

	Or is this a new version of the Party,
	one far less concerned with minority issues
	and willing to sacrifice loyal supporters to regain power?


						Gerard Vignes


-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: New Generations of Conservatism-WLefare Myths
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:13:38 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <92210.043814FKR@psuvm.psu.edu> FKR@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>And now for editorials comments.

>This bill is screwed up in the very least. I will try to keep my eye this one.
>There are 2 state representatives which are in my area. I'm sure going to
>voice my disapproval of this bill to them. Here are some of my reasons:

>One, it appears to be in violation of basic constitutional rights, as if that
>would mean anything anyway. The bill's advocates are assuming that Blacks and
>Puerto Ricans are the only one (in urban areas) using drugs and on welfare.

Where do the assumptions about race come in?  This si the first I've
heard of them.

>Two, the bill assumes, again that the Metropolitan areas (Philadelphia, Pitts-
>burgh, etc) are where all the drug problems are. This, too, is wrong because
>drugs are flowing freely across the state and the routes are thru many of the
>small towns in Pa. 

Where do the assumptions about urban vs. rural come in?  Again, this
si the first I've heard of them.
-- 
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I am not an official Oracle spokesman.  I speak for myself and no one else.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Subject: A MORNING MEDITAION 17
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 21 Jul 1992 08:00 EDT  

I listen closely to that inner voice of wisdom and I do not make mistakes.

Peace,

Eric Overton
Bound for higher ground.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: ronnie@Cadence.COM (Ronnie Demer)
Subject: Re: Celebrationng the End of Slavery
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:00:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.223043.22613@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>In article <917@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM>,
>sphelps@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Sharise Phelps) writes:
>(stuff deleted)
>>It dawned on me for the first time this year that very few blacks attend this
>>celebration, although many gather outside the stadium to watch the fireworks.
>>I assume this is because the 4th of July is not a very meaningful holiday for
>>Black Americans.
>.
>Read Frederick Douglass and James Baldwin for their thoughts on what
>the Glorious Fourth means to black folks...
>.
>>This led me to wonder if there is any kind of celebration for the abolition
>>of slavery.  I have never heard of any such celebration and I am wondering
>>why not.  A friend of mine who is black told me that it really wasn't anything
>>to celebrate.  I guess she meant that celebrating the end of slavery is just
>>one more reminder of slavery.
>.
>.
>A celebration gaining currency yearly is the Juneteenth Festival.
>It celebrates the day when black slaves in Texas were liberated
>through the Emancipation Proclamation.  Juneteenth is usually June
>21 (sort of a solstice celebration in a way)...
>.
>Y'all let me know if I've gotten the date wrong...

In the San Francisco Bay Area, we observe Juneteenth during the week-end closest
to the teen days of June. I was told that it is refered to as Juneteenth and is
not celebrated on a specific date because back in the days when we were freed,
the electronic mass media did not exist and it took "several" days in the teens
of June for the word to spread across the sothern states from east to west. Can
you imagine trying to communicate something of that magnitude without telephones,
TV, wire services, Radio, etc.?

In the Bay Area, we have week-end festivals in several cities every year. There
are festivals atleast in San Jose, Oakland, and Richmond. I think S.F. has one
also.

You're all welcome to come out here next June to help us celebrate!

Sharise, I think that since you had the insight to ask about this, that you
would very much enjoy and appreciate the Juneteenth Festival.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 15:58:59 CDT
From: Veronica Harmon <U23682@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Carol Mosley Braun

Carol Mosley Braun is in a good position to win the Illinois Senatorial race.
She is running against Williamson (a North Shore conservative, with little name
 recognition).  What is the likelihood that Carol will poll significant vote
totals in rural, southern Illinois?  Will Clinton help her downstate?  Will
Carol help Clinton in Chicago and environs?
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: How whites can experience racism
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:37:04 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA

In article <1992Jul19.221446.237@mtechca.maintech.com> foster@mtechca.maintech.com writes:

>If your University doesn't require you to, enroll in a Chicano or
>Black Studies course (not History of Jazz though). You will alone
>in the room, surrounded by Blacks or Chicanos. The other students 
>who do not pointedly ignore you will look at you with surprise, 
>suspicion, loathing or any one of a number of unpleasant attitudes.
>Don't expect acceptance or even indifference.

No, don't.  Why on earth SHOULD you expect other people to "accept"
you?  To believe that you will be blindly welcomed in any forum you
enter is the epitome of arrogance.

>Stick it out the whole
>semester;

Yes, do.  To do otherwise would be to defeat the exercise.

>remember, non-white students in classrooms full of whites 
>do not have the luxury of dropping out of every class in which they 
>feel the pain of racism - they would never finish their educations.
>Don't worry if the professor ignores you, or grades you more harshly
>than everyone else, or dismisses your contributions to the discussion
>as irrelevant: "What do you know about it? You aren't a member of 
>the culture we are discussing."

And?  Perhaps you should listen to them here, and wonder if you aren't
shooting your mouth off at something you know nothing about.

If this comment comes verbatim from one of your professors, it is
highly unprofessional conduct and is reasonable grounds for a formal
complaint.  If you're getting it from other students, however, I'm not
even sure it's unwarranted.

I have an older friend in New York who doesn't see eye to eye with me
on a lot of things, and with whom I have had a lot of serious
arguments.  However, he's very intelligent and worth paying attention
to.  Before I went off to college, he confronted my smartassedness by
telling me flatly, "Keep your mouth shut and you might learn
something."  It was good advice.  Keep it in mind.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You mean there are TWO of you, Pierce?
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  God help us all."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Major Charles Emerson Winchester III
From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Subject: A MORNING MEDITATION (24th and final)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 31 Jul 1992 08:09 EDT  


This day is Life's magnificent.gift to me.





Author unknown to me at this time.

Peace,

Eric Overton
Bond for higher ground.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony)
Subject: Re: Jacksons' New Biographical Movie
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:03:41 GMT

In article <156v43INNqk9@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.180837.15840@athena.mit.edu> femibyte@athena.mit.edu
>(Olufemi G Anthony) writes:
>>You shouldn't be surprised by that. Any person who decides to bleach his
>>skin in order to look "white" no longer deserves to be a member of the
>>Black Race. That individual is gone for good. We have more pressing
>>problems to deal with than to worry about chaff and garbage like MJ.
>
>In determining racial membership, you need to keep in mind that it is
>entirely culturally based and has no foundation whatsoever in physical
>anthropology or human biology.  As a simple exercise to demonstrate this
>to yourself, make a list of physical characteristics that you think define
>a black person, e.g. dark skin, kinky hair, full lips, wide nose, etc.  Now
>look at someone who you think might be black and see if they meet this
>criteria.  If they don't, because say their nose is too narrow or their hair
>too straight, then either adjust your definition accordingly or conclude
>they are not black.  After repeating these steps enough times you'll see
>that you've both eliminated a great number of people who are commonly
>thought of as black and at the same time come up with a definition so vague
>and inclusive as to be scientifically meaningless.


Actually, I think it has to be a mixture of both. I am going by the
American definition of blackness which is : one drop of black blood
makes someone a black person.  That can be the anthropological and
biological foundation of blackness. The other side is the cultural
aspect, as you pointed out. MJ is "black" in the anthropological sense
of the word but if someone makes a conscious decision to alter his
physical characteristics so as to look like a member of another race,
one might as well oblige him. In other words, if you would go that far, 
especially in the case of the USA, with it's long history of racism
against black people, you are so *fucked* up as not to deserve to be 
called black any longer. You are basically denying yourself and the race
to which you belong. 

Femi.
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Good Quote
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:53:15 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Jul24.234106.13529@panix.com>, lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
> In <1992Jul21.121402.7703@vax.oxford.ac.uk> mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> 
>>Jews are allowed to hate Nazis, Kuwaitis Hate
>>Iraqis, but never must a black man express his hatred and anger against racism
>>by whites.
> 
> No one on this list has criticized anger and hatred of racism.  The
> criticism has been when the anger is directed at all whites, blindly
> and stupidly.
> 

Nice debating trick Larry.  Pull an isolated sentence out of an entire post and
make an issue of it.  When you respond to the context and meaning of the post
(and I believe it a fair assumption that you do have the intelligence to do
so), I'll respond.  Leave that sort of behaviour to William Franklin.
> 
> -- 
> larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
> _(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
> The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner

McBean
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Subject: A MORNING MEDITATION 19
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Jul 1992 08:37 EDT  

My inner mind subconscious mind--the one infinite mind--leads me safely
through this day. As I go forward into this day, I have no resistance--no
resentment--toward any person, any situation.  My mentality is clear.  I have
no hatred, no unforgiveness in my heart.  I am relaxed and fearless.  I feel
no strain.  I feel only perfect confidence.

Peace,

Eric Overton
Bound for higher ground.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Cop Killer
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:44:41 GMT

In article <stovall.712427489@ficus.cs.ucla.edu>,
stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
>So Ice-T pulled "Cop Killer" off the market. PR wins over artistic integrity.
>I mean, Ornette Coleman he aint. This was creating too much of a stink...
>might jeopardize those future $100 Million pictures.
>
>But then, Ollie North gets up and says, "This is like Charles Manson
>promising to never go back to the La Bianca home again to commit a
>killing." Have you been smoking crack again, Ollie?
.
.
I was vastly disappointed with the brother.  I mean, I don't agree
with him, but he had every right to say whatever he wanted.
.
Jon Carroll of the S.F. Chronicle (white guy) had an excellent
observation about this whole, so-called "Cop Killer" controversy.
Will put it on-line as soon as I can get the copies from home...
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Sir Charles
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:49:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.200246.16095@rock.concert.net>, bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing) writes:
|> 
|> 		To quote Charles, "take your ass whipping and go home"..
|> 
|> 		Carter

My favorite Sir Charles quote occured a few years ago when someone axed
why the Sixers wasnt making the playoffs that year:

	"Bad team, man...we got a bad f***** team."
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:38:19 GMT

In article <cbc1.711965337@Ra.MsState.Edu> cbc1@Ra.MsState.Edu (christopher b carey) writes:
>I'm kinda curious.  My cable has been cut off, and I don't listen to the
>radio for news, so could you please explain what you are talking about?

	Bill Clinton's criticism
	of Jessee Jackson's defense
	of Sister Souljah's controversial lyrics.

>Is this new or old???

	The event is a few weeks old.
	My interpretation of it is new.

						Gerard Vignes

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