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From: rjc2870@zeus.tamu.edu (CLAYCOMB, RICHARD JAMES)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:37:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr8.064752.13080@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes...
>In article <1992Apr7.185716.17967@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>>How about this overused line: "I'm the best there is at what I do, and what I
>>do best isn't very nice.  I have an adamantium-laced skeleton and claws and a
>>mutant healing factor..."  This one's used more often than the psychic knife
>>bit.
> 
Agreed.  That's starting to get a little tiresome. *yawn*
> 
>Describing one's own powers, however, is necessary simply to get the new
>readers to know what's going on....

I won't argue with you on that.  It is a necessity that everyone is able to 
board onto a comic without TOO much searching for character explanations.  How
else is a comic going to increase its reader base and make $. (That is what
they're all after in the end.)  But it's starting to be taken to an extreme.
It seems like the writers are so eager to put popular characters into their
pre-conceived roles that they're just rehashing old lines for the characters to 
say again and again...

I'm sure I'm not the only person who's a little tired of hearing Wolverine end
every sentence with "bub" and Rogue addressing every other person as "shugah."
It gets the point across as to their character I suppose, but why not leave the
old lines alone for a while.  Something new would only add to their
personalities.  And as for Psylocke (sp?) always explaining that psychic knife,
hey, why not leave something for the next issue?  For me, half the fun of 
reading the X-Men was trying to figure out what everyone was capable of doing.  
Being told that so and so does this because ... as soon as they make a move is
dull.  I don't know, maybe it's just the price we pay for new fans...

New Wolverine line (?) - "Wooo! I'll feed you your own head." 

haha! makes you smile :)
----------------------------------------------------     Richard JC, etc.
|"I can see through mountains, watch me disappear. |
|    I can even touch the sky.                     |
| Swallowing colors of the sounds I hear,          |
|    Am I just a crazy guy?                        |
| You bet!  Flying high again..."                  |
|                   -Ozzy Osbourne                 |
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From: jl6e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jonathan D. Lyness)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Abortion in Comics
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:23:11 GMT
	<1992Apr11.014401.25021@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In article <12055@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>Hello,
>	Considering all the hoopla in the Supreme Court over the most
>recent attempt by pro-lifers to recall the rights of a woman to choose
>if she is to have a baby.  I was wondering if at any time in comic history
>did the topic of abortion ever come up.  I have very strong doubts that
>Marvel would have the guts to ever bring up this sensitive topic but
>maybe a more gutsy/desperate publisher may have.

Well, I don't hear the word "gutsy" connected with DC all that often,
but . . .  :)

 . . . in the one-shot Batman: Holy Terror (which I _still_ consider to
be one of the best mainstream books to be written in several years, damn
it! :)), we are shown a different timeline in which Bruce Wayne's
parents were in the medical profession and were killed by the state; it
is revealed that they were killed for maintaining an underground medical
clinic not affliated with the state. Abortion is specifically mentioned
as one of the services that the Waynes provided, since it had been
banned by the state. Even without the specific mentions of abortion, I
don't think it's hard to "read" the clinic itself as being an
abortion-clinic-type-place (that is, the sort of underground clinic that
would be forced to exist if abortion really was outlawed in America).


-jon
From: mkelly@frumpy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MISC:DC: Letter Writers (was: Whatever happened to....?
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:42:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr15.134244.28843
Reply-To: mkelly@frumpy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


 vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:

|> I was just reading some old comics and I was reminded of a question I've
|> been wanting to ask ever since I first found r.a.c.--whatever happened
|> to T.M. Maple? Anyone who read DC Comics in the 80's I'm sure knows who
|> it is I speak of--except that I'm not sure if anyone ever really knew
|> who it was. He/she had letters published in just about every lettercol
|> DC had during the 80's. Does anyone know who this person is/was and/or
|> where he/she is now (I haven't seen any letters from him/her for
|> years...)??

	As others have said, he has "retired" from letter writing, but I think
he just had a letter published in either Elementals or Ironwood. I wouldn't be
suprised if such a letter was pretty old.

	As far as other great letter writers of the past, does anyone know if
Colleen Doran (now one of the foremost female pencillers) is the same CD who
used to write to the pre-Baxter LSH?

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       If you crumple your money into little    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu           balls, it will never stick together.   +
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From: klein@kira.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 22:13:29 GMT

In article <vanyel.702926876@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>In <1992Apr9.190000.8661@spool.cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>
>>In <1992Apr8.194621.14843@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Capt. Frank A. Lauro) writes:
>>>Even if you're right about the failure of the humor of JL[x], don't blame
>>>Peter.  He had no part in *anything* related to the League, pre- or post-
>>>Crisis.
>>Really?  I thought for sure that he'd written that origin story.  Oh, well.
>>(I must move my collection closer to me some day. :-)
>
>No, you're right: It was written by Peter David and illustrated by Eric
>Shanower.  (And personally, I thought the humor worked well in the story.)
>
Actually, it was plotted by Keith Giffen (who just rewrote the original
to fit post-Crisis continuity) and scripted by PAD.  Of course, some of the
dialogue was invalidated by the Aquaman and Green Lantern origins :) 
-- 
Jeff Klein                  | "One of you is a Charlie Brown mutant,
                            |  and the other has a hand growing out  
klein@kira.egr.msu.edu      |  of his(?) head!" - Blue Bunny
From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:29:50 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <12019@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>	What is your favorite PAD story?  Why?

"The Death Of Jeanne DeWolff"  As far as his humor goes, I think he was in
his best form here.  And the story had wonderful plotting, was very skillfully
divided into its component parts, had great artwork, and a set of interesting
issues lying behind it.

(I think I'd pick PAD's own favorite, "The Atlantis Chronicles", as my
second favorite.  it's so damned depressing, though!)

>	What is your least favorite PAD story?  Why?

Uh... good question.  I think I'd have to say his origin of the Justice
League (at least, I think it was him).  But it may not have been entirely
his fault; the post-Crisis revisionism and forced humor (constant humor has
NEVER worked in the JLA, and I'm convinced that it never will) sunk it
almost from the start.

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"I am a cat, and I keep my own counsel."
					- "A Dream Of A Thousand Cats"
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From: babeard@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Billy Aaron Beard)
Subject: Re: Youngblood
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:29:42 GMT

poole@convex.com (Ricky Poole) writes:
>Sometimes he draws a good poster panel. Sometimes his action and poses
>display a high energy look. I think with some real constuctive
>feedback and some real art training he could be a good comic book artist.
>Other observations out there?

 While i've certainly done my share of flybuttoned bashing I honestly
like Rob's art. When I say art I mean his figures as individuals 
(a little anatomical inaccuracy never bothered me) His characters really
grab yer eye I mean show me a poster by Liefeld and one by someone
like Romita Jr. or a Kubert and i think it's obvious which would be better.
Mr. Liefeld's biggest problem (aside from writing *ugghh*) is that he
 has no artistic STORYTELLING ability WHATSOEVER! I mean the boy could
draw a comic written by the best writer in comics and I would not be
able to tell whats going on from panel to panel. I would much rather read
something draw by someone like JRJ or a Kubert because you can enjoy the
story while their actual people aren't as dynamic their overall art is 
extremely superior to Rob's. 
 The moral of the story is.....*8-).....TAKE AN ART CLASS ROB!!!!!

btw..I hope JRj doesn't use the same style he's using on punisher when
     he returns to Uncanny...(*sob* farewell magnificent Portacio)
                                -BIL
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From: charyma@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: A Coupla Thoughts...
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:07:39 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <lsqjwpr.dani@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb):
>>Cable is an amnesiac time traveler.
> 
> Yup.  He's come back in time to prevent the X-Men's destruction.  When
> he remembers this, he will use his special power to scan the possible
> future of each X-Man in order to identify the traitor.  Each possible
> future will be the subject of a different annual.
> 
Given Marvel's propensity for borrowing ideas from DC, please don't even
joke about this to loud;)
> -----
> Dani Zweig
> dani@netcom.com
> 
> Roses red and violets blew
>   and all the sweetest flowres that in the forrest grew -- Edmund Spenser
> 
> 
> 
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From: stoodt@cis.umassd.edu (Michael Stoodt)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN QUESTIONS - HELP, PLEASE.
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:44:50 GMT

In <1992Apr4.140438.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> pdorsey@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>3. What else has Alan Moore done besides Swamp Thing, V for Vendetta, and
>Watchmen? Anything of interest to a poor fan? ...

Alan Moore also wrote two of the finest Superman stories ever: an
issue of DC Presents with Swamp Thing (in which Superman catches a
fatal Kryptonian disease, and truly believes he is going to die), and
a two issue story which appeared in the last pre-Byrne issues of
Superman and Action, which out-did every "now + 20 years" imaginary
story ever done.  I think one or both were put into a "Greatest
Superman Stories" collection...

          Michael Stoodt
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From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway)
Subject: SQUID: North America television debut set
Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 02:05:10 GMT

According to the (not very well done) profile of the Parker Lewis Can't
Lose Internet mailing list, the Flamingo Digest, an episode in which two
extras wear Suicide Squid shirts will be aired in the U.S. on May 3rd.
That's at 7:30 on a Sunday on the Fox network. The show is shown in Canada,
but I'm not sure of the date, time, and network. The title of the episode
is "Home Alone With Annie". 

According to list members who got to watch the filming (and appear as extras)
in the episode, the black shirt is worn by one of Badge's (biker type)
friends in a scene shot in the diner and should be pretty visible. The
green one is worn by a woman, but I don't know what scenes she'll be 
appearing in. 

I should note that while the shirts were filmed, there's always a 
chance that the scenes they appear in might be edited out of the final
version. This did happen to a scene in a previous show where a list member
was an extra. Hopefully they won't, but it is possible. Besides, it's a
great show and worth watching anyway.

Finally, while this is the only episode that I know the shirts were filmed
in, it's possible that they may appear in another episode or two before
the season ends on May 17th. I probably won't be able to give advance
warning for any other appearances though.

"Not a problem." --Parker Lewis
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 09:14:31 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Casting Coup

Forget that!  Here's my casting for the Xmen movie:

Harry Morgan- Professor X.
Alan Alda- Cyclops
Gary Burghoff- Wolverine.
Jamie Farr- Iceman.
Larry Niven- Gambit.
Loretta Swit- Marvel Girl.
and
McLean Stevenson as Magneto.

Now, if you don't mind, I'll be slipping into my Stane International
Iron Monger (tm) Armor to avoid the deadly attacks that this will prompt.

Doug.
From: n8744926@henson.cc.wwu.edu (m e bracher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: STARWARS
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:13:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr11.041359.10399
Organization: Western Washington University

DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>  - In one of the earlier posts on this topic, it was stated that
>  "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" contradicted some of the later Star
>  Wars films. In what way did it do so? I'm frankly just curious, as
>  I don't remember much about "Splinter".  Also, I never heard of
>  "The End of the Empire"; what was this work about, and is it
>  regarded as official canon by anybody?

okay ... *assuming* that I recall correctly:

(and assuming that you don't mind a few spoilers along the way)

Alan Dean Foster novelised Star Wars, ghosting it for George Lucas.

probably a year later, he came out with Splinter of the Mind's Eye,
which seems to have been based directly on the original drafts of Star
Wars (Kaiburr crystal, most of all).

and it's not a bad novel -- 

save that it was published to pick up on the Star Wars following, and
Foster didn't know what was going to happen in Empire, and especially
Jedi.

it's a simple tale of Luke, Leia, Artoo, and Threepio, along with a
few chance allies, wandering the jungle surface of Mimban looking for
the Kaiburr crystal.  there's also a chap named Vader involved ...
(no, those aren't spoilers, you can find out more from the book jacket.)

however, these might be.

in my opinion, the entire confrontation between Vader and Luke rang
completely hollow after Empire, when they faced off and Vader told
Luke that he was his father.  Foster didn't know that, and couldn't
use that, so instead we have a Vader who hasn't a clue in his thoughts
toward Luke, and who is absurdly astonished at some of the
Force-tricks that Luke manages to pull off.

and then Luke wins the fight, slicing off Vader's arm and causing
Vader to fall down a well.

there are details that don't sync with the later movies, but nothing
major.  I suppose that my earlier statement was simply regarding the
hollowness of the confrontation.  Luke's snarled line, "Ben Kenobi is
in me!" jarred me particularly.

so, it's not bad.  worth reading, if you've a Saturday free or
something.

- matt
-- 
  matthew eric bracher           | `smell the blood on the wind,
  n8744926@henson.cc.wwu.edu     | hear your blood in your ears,
  (or bracher@nessie.cc.wwu.edu) | die at last with your enemies' blood
                                 | in your mouth' (Doctor Who - Survival)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 10:36:39 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Stop blaming Marvel!

In article <BXsqiB2w164w@jwt.UUCP>, bbs-vampire@jwt.UUCP (Aaron Leitch) says:
>
>I don't get it.  All of you guys are comic collecters right?  So, why do
>you keep saying how bad Marvel is getting?  If it's so bad, STOP
>COLLECTING!

With the exception of the Epic translations of AKIRA,I stopped collecting
Marvel in favor of the independents/undergrounds years ago. Have a nice
day. >:)

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
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From: dfmaki@descartes.waterloo.edu (Dean Maki)
Subject: Re: xfactor vs xforce
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 04:05:26 GMT


X-Factor vs X-Force?  

    X-Factor is the obvious choice if all is done right.  If Havok can startle
 Cannonball while he's blasting (and presumably invulnerable), than there's not
 much he can't take down.  Heck, he even took the Hulk down for a few seconds.
 I would really like to see Guido go Warpath.  That oughta be a match, though
 Guido could probably kick his wazzo from here to Halifax.  Let's not forget,
 X-Factor is the "Pure of heart, and the Pure of Heart always win" (or some such thing.)

    Anyway, I can't see X-Factor missing X-Force in any fight they have, what 
 with how massive X-Forces appendiges are.  Besides, how many brain cells can
 they have in their itty bitty heads??

/\/\ /-\ ]<
:"Mind if I scratch my nose?"
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 09:17:26 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Wildcards (and Lew Shiner rant)
 <1992Apr7.200122.27216@spool.cs.wisc.edu>
 <1992Apr8.090807.15488@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> <11134@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>

In article <11134@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick
Jones) says:
>The next book will finish off the Jumper Trilogy, and the one after
>that is a Captain Trips solo novel.

To any long-time fan of the Wildcards series, I for one can tell you that
a Captain Trips Solo Novel is a complete contradiction in terms- much like
Madrox having a solo story in X-Factor.  I can just imagine it now,

(Wayne's World fade (tm) here)

Madrox standing on the cover of the latest X-Factor-  the title blurb reading

"In this issue... Jamie Madrox fights alone!!!!... or does he?"

(Wayne's World Fade  (tm) here)

Doug.
From: 910252m@ace.acadiau.ca (DWAYNE ALLAN MAC KINNON)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Alpha Flight
Summary: Yo, any fans out there?
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:45:53 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

Hi

     Just wondering if there are any die-hard Alphans out there on the net. 
I certainly am, because I've read almost every appearance they've ever had 
in any comic. So, is there anyone else out there who's an Alpha Flight 
fanatic? I'd really like to hear people's opinions on the Final Option 
storyline (even though I know that was some time ago.) Actually, I'd just 
like to hear opinions, period.

Stick




"Fan of all Canucks in Marvel comics {especially the runt with the bad 
attitude.}"
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Masque...dead? (was Re: X-Force and the New Mutants)
Date: 6 Apr 1992 17:40:55 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <92097.114615JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>   Masque's gender is irrevelant.
>   Masque can change its apparent gender at any time (think about its
>  "mutant power" (tm) ).

	Actually, the reason Masque wasn't the richest plastic surgeon
on the planet was that his/hir mutant power wouldn't work on her/himself.
(said so in Masque's first appearance)  
	I always thought Masque should find a front being and make 
himself rich doing facials, and such.  It's a lot more profitable than
scavanging in sewer tunnels.  M's power was a lot like Doug's or Forge's.
It's a lot more suited to the real world, and could really make some
bucks doing so, but instead they fritter it away doing the mutant
schtick.


-- 
Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
albert@bcm.tmc.edu			Baylor College of Medicine
Voice: 713-798-7352			standard disclaimers apply
All syllogisms have three parts, therefore this is not a syllogism.
From: ukevc@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Nonesuch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: watchmen FTP wanted
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:49:48 GMT


hi
Can someone tell me where the watchmen FTP is?
thanks
kevin

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From: dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu (Cerebus in '92!)
Subject: Re: KM RAPES A GIRL
Organization: Amherst College
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:54:09 GMT

RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
: Has anybody else out there read the Miracleman limited series where there's
: a story about Kid Miracleman when he was 11 and he decides to lose his
: virginity so he rapes a woman around 17ish after ripping some old woman's
: head off her body?  Talk about a sick little kid.  That's a graphic book.

That is called, I believe, Miracleman Apocrypha. I think it's going to
be a pretty good series (haven't read #2 yet. Oh well) and it give us a
chance to see some MM inbetween the mythical deliveries of the regular
series. I also think it helps to build a better feeling of who the
characters are, and what the world is like, even though the stories in
the book are supposed to by "apocryphal."

And yes, Bates was a sick pup. I kinda like him, even though he was an
asshole. It gives another look at what the world would be like with real
supermen in it, particularlly "hidden" ones.

later days!
--dt

--
Dennis E. Thomas, Vagrant	   |    Amherst _still_ hasn't figured out 
dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu 	   |     what do do with me, how could I 
roach@aux1.amherst.edu		   |    possibly presume to speak for them?
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From: jcastle@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: RAC SPLIT: YES (was Re: RAC SPLIT:NO!!!)
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:24:19 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Apr7.070924.22185@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
> The point is that I find it sad that some want to
> divide one of the best "on-line conventions" in the
> world for the sake of convenience.

	I just want a split to help
save my marks (you can spend quite
a lot of time on just r.a.c., never
mind any other newsgroup)

Yours Sincerely,
	Julian Castle