From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Dangerous Statements ....:
Date: 12 Dec 92 05:35:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec11.125807.14742@eng.cam.ac.uk> afv@paula.noname writes:
>
>- So you will solve the problem with continued violence and hatred ?

This is the consequence, not the cause. He who starts a fire should expect
to get burned
We don't need to love those who hate us. 

>- Taking you back to your school days : "But he did it first Miss"

and he is still doing it!

>- And how far back should we go to find the culprit ?

To the best of my knowledge, Botha is still alive, so is Eugene Terreblamche.
More importantly, the current white population of South Africa endorsed the
policies of boer apartheid repeatedly by voting for the NP. As you make a bed
you lie on it.  Infact the culprits are there in South Africa. White South 
Africans know who among them slaughtered 1000 school children.
 
>- Name the first person that implemented segregation (apartheid) and
>together we can blame him.

Why put the onus me. White South Africans created and maintained apartheid and
should pay for it. 
>
>- Tell me Paul, what "concessions" would  be enough to facilitate and
>end to a campain of violence.

Such as laying down their arms unilaterally (ANC), while Boers and their army
can retain theirs. And such as going out of the way to tell whites not worry,
even though there are those among them who are criminals.

>  It seems to me that you are implying
>that the ANC is wrong in joining talks for a  "non-violent" solution in
>SA ?

The ANC can talk to boers all they want. The fact of the matter is that they
are negotiating from a weak position. If Boers refuse to give in, what levera
ge can the ANC use, other than clamouring the white western country to reinsti
tute sanctions. Experience has shown that you cannot base your hopes on the
altruism of your enemy. The APLA is a necessary force to remind boers that they
will be subjected to bereavement if they do not yield the country to Africans.

>  You clearly favour the tactics of murderers (indiscriminate
>killers) like the armed wing of the PAC.  Do you think the violence wil
>stop when you are encouraging it?

how do you feel about the boer govt which has killed 1000 school children
in a day? You should observe that the APLA did not murder the white people
All PEOPLE who have died in the political violence have been murdered by 
some one who used a weapon called apartheid. It just happens that this wea
pon cuts both ways. And the last time I looked, no African, not even the 
PAC, had any control on apartheid
.
>
>From what we have seen on ITV & BBC a substantial number of non-white
>South Africans legally own firearms - i.e. as allowed by the current SA
>government.

Remember that balcks are not recognised as citizens by boer law. 
Becareful when you defend South Africa and countries which like wise 
were British colonies. Race classification is not a simple black and
white matter. There are other classifications in between. Boers do
not allow blacks to own arms.

>  But that is not the point we are discussing. You state
>clearly that  people should be given assault rifles "to make everyone
>fair under the law".  Don't you think is a bit more responsable to
>DISARM people with weapons instead of arming the people who are without
>weapons ?

This would be the logical situation. Boer law allows whites to have
18 guns , including grenade launchers and assault rifles, blacks are
not allowed to come any where near a gun.
Given the foregoing, it is clear that balcks will take up arms for 
preemptive and retaliatory self defense. We will be damned if we all
ow ourselves to fight them with spears while they come with automatic
weapons again. The policy and the army are arms of the boers, these 
murder and not protect balck people. They can not be entrusted with
our safety.
>
>Decide: Are you for or against a continued armed struggles in Africa.

Do you support or oppose the second world war?

>Yesterday you applauded the American forces in Somalia when they
>disarms people, today something different. Does living in the States
>all of a sudden force you to change your mind about your host country ?

What is happening to you? Who are the Somalis struggling against? Can
you tell me what they are struugling for?
>
>WHY ? Because YOU chose it ?  Here we have a guy telling people to arm
>themselves to the teeth (clearly against the wishes of the majority of
>black South Africans). 


One thing at a time. Why should we speak remote and disparate colonial
languages? If we are going to speak a colonial language, we might as 
well all speak the one that would benefit us all. Portugal is a little
European pauper state which is masquerading as first world country. 
Portuguese limits all those Africans who speak it. My friend went to
study Chenmical Eng. in cuba. The professors hand translated American
text book and gave their students xerox copies. This is pathetic, we
don't need to pay the penalty for the limited accessibilty of Portuguese
Mozam. already applied to join the british coomonwealth. I think they
should just adopt english and forget the rest of the nonsense.
This way it will make it easier when we unite.
As for the majority of Blacks in SA baing against arms, please speak
for the whites whom you know. Blacks don't need you to speak for us.
Your views represent your own fears. 

I will answer the rest as time permits...


makala
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