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From: cei@po.CWRU.Edu (Charles E. Ivy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Stick Address & Prices (Was Re: Chapman sticks)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 05:19:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cei@po.CWRU.Edu (Charles E. Ivy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, bthompso@reed.edu (Benjamin Thompson) says:

>Does anyone have the address for the makers of the Chapman Stick?  OR
>does someone have a description, and an idea of how much one should
>pay for the different sticks new and used?  Are there any used sticks
>out there in netland?
>
>Thanks
>
>-- 
>Benjamin Thompson                     My views are my own, as far as I know...
>bthompso@reed.edu                     I go to Reed College --- You can trust me
>

Oz Barron on The Bottom Line mailing list is selling his stick. I don't
have his e-mail address or his price handy, but someone else may be so kind
to post...

			Stick Enterprises, Inc.
			Emmett H. Chapman
			6011 Woodlake Avenue
			Woodland Hills, CA 91367-3238

			(818) 884-2001

List price on a new Stick is usually $1200-$1300. I got mine new for $850.
Used, I'd say they average $575.

Any more questions? How about rec.music.makers.!bass.!guitar.stick?
-- 
 . _____________________________
/:|____________________/__/__:_=| Chapman Stick		Chuck Ivy
\:|___________________/__/___:_=| White Oak #240	cei@po.cwru.edu
                       ++
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From: richardr@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (SnowDog)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:rec.m.m.bass.tab
Keywords: tab, bass, new news group
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:33:09 GMT

Hey!  Whoever had the idea to make rec.music.makers.bass.tab should be 
given a Modulus Graphite 6-string fretless!

Make it so!

Roman Richardson
-Ibanez RB800 Deluxe
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: Peavey MidiBass
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 19 NOV 92 09:09:55    


In article <1992Nov19.000803.29995@ichips.intel.com>, pturner@sedona.intel.com (Pete Turner) writes...
> 
> 
>It seems that Peavey has found a new approach to solving the note decoding 
>problem. If any of you have played the original Roland bass synthesizer 
>you know this problem already. It's called "tracking". As I understand it,
>the traditional method of analog wave (the note played) to it's electronic
>equivalent required two cycles of the wave to pass through the decode 
>circuitry. Putting this into perspective, to decode a low E tone from your
>favorite bass (at a frequency of 41.2 Hz), it would take 50ms!


Actually, you only need a half-cycle (one zero crossing), but even a 12 ms
delay is noticeable.

>So, bottom line: if this bass plays half-way decent (I won't condemn it before
>I actually play one), this sounds like a promising difference!
> 

The bass is a modifed Peavey Dyna-Bass.  The bridge design is different since
it also has sensors in the bridge, otherwise the thing is just a stock DynaBass
with the MIDI pickup stuff added.  So if you like the DynaBass, you'll like
this, and if you don't...

Street price will be about $1600 including the rack-mount head and interconnect
cable.  Color will be white only.

					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Peavey MidiBass
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:43:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.151542.4545@ryn.mro4.dec.com> rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost) writes:
>Plug into a digital delay set to 12 ms delay, no repeats and set the output
>for delay ONLY, start playing and tell me if you can notice that.  I suspect
>you will. 

If you don't have access to a fancy delay box, but you do have access to
a wireless or long cords, try plugging in and seeing how far away from
your speaker you can get before the delay caused by the speed of sound
becomes annoying. Speed moves at 1.1 feet per ms (more or less) and I find
that the critical distance is about 30 or 40 feet, which corresponds to
about 30 or 35 ms. YMMV.
  I don't think that 12 ms is a huge problem but I also don't think that
MIDI sampling gets very close to the theoretical limit on sampling rate
either. Not many boxes will discriminate between low E and low F very well
given the minimal sampling time, and the difference is rather crucial to
sounding good.
-- 
Steve Schmidt			<><		   whale@leland.stanford.edu
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist
indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist
conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass,alt.guitar.bass,news.groups,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers.guitar.tab
From: whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:rec.m.m.bass.tab
Keywords: tab, bass, new news group
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:03:08 GMT

In article <BxtF9A.384@cs.dal.ca> earhard@ug.cs.dal.ca (Mark Earhard) writes:
>
>But for those of us who do...  Anyone feel like posting a site list?
>
There is a site list in the FAQ, which was last posted to agb on November
1st (possibly 2nd, depending on time zones).
I was going to hold of posting the FAQ here until December 1, but since it
hasn't been posted here maybe I should do it on November 15th instead. It
will be posted monthly thereafter in any event.
-- 
Steve Schmidt			<><		   whale@leland.stanford.edu
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist
indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist
conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass,alt.guitar.bass,news.groups,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers.guitar.tab
From: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:rec.m.m.bass.tab
Reply-To: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:20:23 GMT

In article <Bxs0B5.8AH@news.udel.edu> webb@chopin.udel.edu (W Webb Pickersgill) writes:
>	I would like to propose a new group called rec.music.makers.bass.tab

ABSOLUTELY!  (Sorry for the caps, but I'm trying to be emphatic ;>)
This is a great idea, as not everyone has access to the ten tab files
available by FTP.  I'm all for it, and I'd even post some stuff if it got
started.  Any takers?



  OOOOO  OO  OOOO   OOOO     sinn santos, computer music, columbia university.
 /OO/// /OO /OO//O /OO//O     "They can take the record, and they can SHOVE
 //  OO /OO /OO /O /OO /O     IT RIGHT DOWN THEIR THROATS!"   "Money talks,
  OOOOO /OO /OO /O /OO /O      and bullshit walks..."  "Every song's a hit!"
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From: english@netlink.cts.com (Steven Foley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass,alt.guitar.bass,news.groups,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.maker
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:rec.m.m.bass.tab
Keywords: tab, bass, new news group
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:16:59 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA


Make it a loud  "YES!"  Finally...I have been waiting for this group to 
go through so we can create a bass tab group.  I am all for it!
-Steve

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Re: Building a bass
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:28:55 GMT

I built a Fretless 5 string bass with a 38" scale length!! The effect is 
that where the nut is on a standard 34" scale bass is approx. where my
second fret position is allowing it to play an extra whol step on each
string. I also tune the lowest dtring down a whole step because I'm used
to it that way.  With a 3 octave fingerboard, It has the range of a 7 string
insrtument tuned in 4ths (approx.)  tuning:low->high   C,G,C,F,Bb.
Only DR string are long enough (and good enough) to use with it.

Another principle: The longer the string is, the better the sound.  This
could be because there is more to vibrate but you can notice this on any
instrument.  Play a low b on the A string then play the same b on the E
string.  The b on the A should sound better.  This is why Kubicki used
the extended fingerboard for the low D.  However, he sacrifices the tone
by giving the rest of the bass a 32" scale length.  This was probably
done because DR's weren't around (they are about 50" long unwrapped!) and
standard wrapped strings only alow 35" of playable string.  Longer necks
are harder to play but do sound much better.  I believe Modulus basses are
35" scale for exactly this reason.
From: dbox@net4.ics.uci.edu (Don Box)
Subject: Chapman Stick Players
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Reply-To: dbox@ics.uci.edu (Don Box)
Organization: UC Irvine
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:56:33 GMT
Distribution: usa

I'm really interested in contacting other stick players who either

  a) Have a Grand Stick (I want to get your opinion on it).

or

  b) Wanna join a stick quintet in the LA/OC area.

DB
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: pn002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (peter christopher norton)
Subject: Please post that FAQ!
Keywords: tab, bass, new news group
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 10:34:40 GMT

In <1992Nov16.180308.20619@leland.Stanford.EDU> whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt) writes:

>>
>There is a site list in the FAQ, which was last posted to agb on November
>1st (possibly 2nd, depending on time zones).
>I was going to hold of posting the FAQ here until December 1, but since it
>hasn't been posted here maybe I should do it on November 15th instead. It
>will be posted monthly thereafter in any event.

Where's that FAQ?
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass,alt.guitar.bass,news.groups,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers.guitar.tab
From: earhard@ug.cs.dal.ca (Mark Earhard)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:rec.m.m.bass.tab
Keywords: tab, bass, new news group
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:34:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.134359.13433@maths.tcd.ie> rofitz@maths.tcd.ie (Ronan Fitzpatrick) writes:
>richardr@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (SnowDog) writes:
>>Hey!  Whoever had the idea to make rec.music.makers.bass.tab should be 
>>given a Modulus Graphite 6-string fretless!
>
>Yup! I agree totally.We dont all have ftp access...

But for those of us who do...  Anyone feel like posting a site list?

Or at least mailng *ME* one?  :)

Marcus.
-- 
__
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: ematias@dgp.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias)
Subject: Re: Chapman sticks
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: usa
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:10:00 GMT


Thanks to everyone who posted descriptions of what the Chapman Stick is
and how it's played.  Hopefully, I'll be able to afford one someday... :-)

Edgar
-- 
Edgar Matias
Input Research Group
University of Toronto
--
I speak for no one...
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: pmk@moliere.uucp (Peter Michael Klausler)
Subject: Re: Chapman sticks
Organization: Lilydale DFL Refreshments Committee & Rhythm Section
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:56:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.174812.10637@hubcap.clemson.edu> jflee@hubcap.clemson.edu (finley lee) writes:
>ematias@dgp.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias) writes:
>
>
>>Pardon my ignorance but I've never heard of a Chapman Stick.  Could you 
>>explain what it is and how one plays it?  Sounds interesting...
>
>I would like to get one, but they are way expensive.  I did have the
>opportunity to play one in a music store, and loved it - it was very
>smooth.  The technique is all hammer ons and pull offs.  I have been
>practicing the technique on my bass in case I ever get a chance to pick
>one up.  There are eight or ten strings (I can't remember which)  The
>bottom half are bass strings and the top ones are treble.  You just tap
>on the fretboard to play it.

I play the Stick, pretty much to the exclusion of other instruments nowadays.
I have two of them, with somewhat different tunings. They look like this:

			25 frets
			   |
			   v

		//|||||||||||||||||||||||||>

		^			   ^
		|			   |
      pickups --+			   +-- tuning heads

The standard Chapman Stick is a ten-stringed instrument, usually tuned
in two groups of five strings. The five bass strings are tapped with the
fingertips of the left hand and are tuned in fifths; the five melody
strings are tapped with the right hand and are tuned in fourths, rather
like a guitar. The bass strings "ascend" in fifths across the fretboard in
a direction opposite to the ascension of the melody strings, and since
a fifth is an inverted fourth, the letter-names of the notes on each
side correspond.

I can post more information on the Stick if there's interest; I've compiled
a short informational posting.

Oh, yes, to the gentleman uncomfortable with the price of a new instrument:
remember the words of former GM Chairman, Roger Smith, who, when asked
what the best $10,000 GM car was, responded "A two year old Buick." I.e.,
look for a used instrument in good shape.

- Peter Klausler (pmk%moliere@uunet.uu.net)
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From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass,alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Rick fretless..BUY THIS BASS
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:58:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdacs.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Nov18.210645.10520@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans) writes:
>I'm selling a '73 Rick 4001 that had its frets removed.  I'm not the
>person that did it, but whoever did did a decent job.  It's a natural
>wood finish and is missing the big ugly pickup cover.  It's got the
>Rick-o-sound feature and comes with a sturdy hardshell case.
>
>I'm asking $300 plus shipping.
>
>If you're interested, please e-mail me at thrash@virginia.edu.
>

[some stuff deleted]
I own a '73 Rick that was fretless from the shop.  It is the best bass
for studio work that I have ever used (and I've tried a lot).  Somebody
should take a look at this bass and if the neck is done well, snatch it
up...$300 is a great deal (with case, even!)

BTW, the 'big ugly pickup cover' was made of metal in the old days (now
it's plastic, yecch) and does have an effect on the bridge pickup tone.
Not just for looks (like it is now!)

Michael Breen
singing and philosophizing
(and wishing, for the 1st time in 15 years, I was back in Virginia)
From: aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: Building a bass
Date: 20 Nov 1992 05:05:59 GMT
Organization: Jobs With Peace at UWM
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:
: I built a Fretless 5 string bass with a 38" scale length!! The effect is 
: that where the nut is on a standard 34" scale bass is approx. where my
: second fret position is allowing it to play an extra whol step on each
: string. I also tune the lowest dtring down a whole step because I'm used
: to it that way.  With a 3 octave fingerboard, It has the range of a 7 string
: insrtument tuned in 4ths (approx.)  tuning:low->high   C,G,C,F,Bb.
: Only DR string are long enough (and good enough) to use with it.
[text deleted]

Could you go into some detail why you chose the C-G-C-F-Bb tuning?  I know
you said you wanted the lower note on the lowest string, but why the odd
tuning?

______________________________________________________
Steve J. White
my virtual spheres of consciousness can be reached at:
aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu
aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: friedman@col.hp.com (John Friedman)
Subject: Re: Victor Wooten Was: Re: finger/pick/flipper maneuver...
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:09:33 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

webb@chopin.udel.edu (W Webb Pickersgill) writes:
> In article <_0y1qdd@rpi.edu> battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:
> >Victor wooten is the GOD of this technique.  He does it when he slaps.
> >his thumb slaps the string on the downstroke and pops it on the upstroke.
> >He can keep up with fingerpicking banjo players as well as tapping
> >circles around Stu Hamm.  See Bela Fleck and the Flecktones LIVE.  He'll
> >make you get down on your knees and worship :^)
> 
> 	Does anyone out there have a Bella Fleck CD?  Is it any good?
> Is there anything available on video with Victor on bass?

I have the first two Flecktones CDs.  They are both excellent.  Get them.
You won't regret it.

John
friedman@col.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: dooley@aurora.physics.utoronto.ca (Lois-Anna Dooley)
Subject: Re: finger/pick/flipper maneuver...
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:49:52 GMT

In article <_0y1qdd@rpi.edu> battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:
>Victor wooten is the GOD of this technique.  He does it when he slaps.
>his thumb slaps the string on the downstroke and pops it on the upstroke.
>He can keep up with fingerpicking banjo players as well as tapping
>circles around Stu Hamm.  See Bela Fleck and the Flecktones LIVE.  He'll
>make you get down on your knees and worship :^)

If you're not lucky enough to catch a live show, get their new album
"UFO TOFU" and listen to the second track, Sex in a Pan.  You will get
down on your knees and worship from afar, then you will be inspired to
go practice for six hours.


Lois-Anna

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: 2 Questions
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:51:12 GMT

1: has the bass player buyers guide for this year come out yet?
   how about the guitar world buyer's guide? I'm kind of isolated.

2: What do you stick players use for amplification? 2 amps? How about
   rack setups.  Does someone make a true stereo preamp or parametric EQ?
From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: Chapman sticks
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:02:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <vcs1b4-@rpi.edu>, battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes...
>Flame on...
>wonder twin powers activate...
>	form of: Emmett Chapman
>	shape of: a Chapman Stick price tag.
>Sitcks are very well designed instruments (with the exception of the pickups)
>and I bear Emmett no malice but, as a builder, I have to clue everyone in.
>Sticks are VERY overpriced.
>I am about to build one for myself and, as I always do before building, I figured
>out how much it will cost in parts.  I can build a stick for 250-300$ (with good
>pickups)!!!
>I estimate his parts cost to be about 100-150$ each. Add
>labor, machinery, marketing, profit, etc. and you get the retail price of
>$1300.00 for an instrument which, until a few years ago, doesnt even have a 
>truss rod.  

Right, but then how many can he sell?  If he is doing low numbers, then the
price has to be high because his overhead costs are spread over fewer
instruments.  Overpricing relative to parts cost, but since you mentioned some
of his overhead (those ads in the magazines aint cheap), and he's got to recoup
that.  I know local luthiers that can build me a custom guitar for less than an
American Standard Fender, but then they don't have to pay for all those glossy
Fender ads, and a huge factory, and hundreds of employees, etc.

					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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	*						   *
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass
From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: Small amps
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:55:25 GMT

kevins@eng.auburn.edu (Kevin Sullivan) writes:
>The last amp I played was an old Fender Bassman 100 
>with a *very* funky cab, four 12"s arranged like this
>	_____
>	| O |
>	|O O|
>	| O |
>	=====
>but each driver was on its own trapezoidal baffle board, top one angled 
>down, bottom angled up, sides angled inward.  This thing sounded great.

The old 4x12 Bassman is a great cabinet (an ex-owner speaking here)
and they look great with the covers off! Even with today's hi-tech
basses and amps there's still something beautiful about a good
Precision though a Bassman 135 (or 100) and one (or two) of these.
-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bass,alt.guitar.bass
From: gse9k@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans)
Subject: FOR SALE: Rick fretless
Reply-To: thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans)
Organization: or lack thereof
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:06:45 GMT


Yep, that's right, a Rick without frets.

I'm selling a '73 Rick 4001 that had its frets removed.  I'm not the
person that did it, but whoever did did a decent job.  It's a natural
wood finish and is missing the big ugly pickup cover.  It's got the
Rick-o-sound feature and comes with a sturdy hardshell case.

I've actually only owned it for a short time; I sort of bought it
on impulse and shortly after realized that (a) I can't afford to
buy things on impulse and (b) I'm not really a Rick kind of guy.

I'm asking $300 plus shipping.

If you're interested, please e-mail me at thrash@virginia.edu.



scott
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From: gse9k@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:rec.m.m.bass.tab
Keywords: tab, bass, new news group
Reply-To: thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans)
Organization: or lack thereof
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:46:35 GMT

I personally think that bass tab could probably go right on r.m.m.bass.  It's
not an extremely high-traffic group, so it'd be good to see some more activity.
It'd be cool to see people talk about individual riffs and such right here on
the group as well.
 
If the tab volume starts to get large, then we could consider moving it to its
own newsgroup, but til then I think we can keep it on r.m.m.bass.



scott
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