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From: owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: BAC = Boston Crusaders (but why?) 
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 15:32:59 GMT
Reply-To: owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com ()
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In article <1992Sep7.224402.26200@ncsu.edu>,
jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep5.095910.15395@husc3.harvard.edu>
fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
|> >In article <1992Sep5.035637.27779@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:
|> >>BTW, I know I'll shoot myself when I hear it, but who is "BAC"?
|> >>
|> >>>Dave Owens (BAC member 85,87,88; staff 91...)
|> >>>odavid@watson.ibm.com
|> >>
|> >I know BAC is the Boston Crusaders but I don't know what the history of BAC
|> >letters is.  Dave, do you know?  Is it some corps secret or can you tell us
|> >the meaning?
|> >
|> >Inquiring minds want to know.
|> >
|> 
|> Well, I for one know what BAC stands for.  It's "an inside" thing, once I
|> tell you, or any other corps member, you'll (they'll) laugh.  Anyway, it's
|> supossed to show Crusaders toughness, etc.  Anyway,
|> 
|> BAC=Bad Ass Crusaders.
|> 
|> Enough said.  Any BAC's out there would probably kill me (hehe) for spilling
|> this one...........
|> 
|> -- 
|> Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu
|> 
|> DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
|> fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers! 

No, it's not "an inside thing", and I don't think any BAC's will try to
kill you,
though it might be hard to get a straight  answer to the question.  I've
heard a
dozen answers including "Born Again Christian - all members of the corps 
are...",  "Boston Athletic Club - the corps was sponsored by...",  "Boston Area
Crusaders - obviously", "BAC just to match SAC - the two groups used to tour
together and were close",  as well as Jeff's answer.  I have to admit
it's fun to 
see what you can get people to believe while on tour.  :)

You might believe "Boston Athletic Club" if you came to a rehearsal at
Fargo... right past the big "BAC" sign of the Boston Athletic Club...


Dave Owens (BAC member 85,87,88; staff 91...)
odavid@watson.ibm.com
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Peter Mckinney)
Subject: Re: Records and CD quality
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 19:11:11 GMT
Reply-To: pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Peter Mckinney)
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

> I think you are arguing where that *one point* should be, and I'm not.  We
> both agree that mics should be placed at a point that is optimal for full
> ensemble fidelity.  This issue is that it is at *a* point and not *several*
> points.
 
	I have never understood why recordings of drumcorps are made with
separated mikes.  The only case in which separated mikes might work well is 
when your sound source in centered on the line of symmetry between the mikes
and *stays* there.  In this case, the sound will arrive at the mikes at
essentially the same time (no phasing).   This is obviously *not* the case
with a drum corps, which moves all over the field.  If the mikes are separated
and part of the corps is to the far left or right on the field, you have
built-in phasing in the recording that may not be there for a live listener.
	It seems to me that the best mike setup is a pair of crossed mikes on
one stand at the 50 yard line (IMHO).  That way, all sound is arriving at the
mikes at essentially the same time (like it is at your ears when you are
there.... :-)  ).  Stereo imaging is achieved by the aiming of the mikes - 
since they are crossed, one is aiming a bit to the right and the other a bit
to the left.   This is not a new concept and I'm surprised it's not used for
the DCI recordings.  I think some folks have even played around with the idea
of placing mikes on a model of a human head where your ears are supposed to
be....   :-).   
	The discussion as to how far back into the stands the mikes should
be placed is a whole different matter that concerns pit and crowd volume
and has been well covered here.  I'm not an audio engineer, so please explain
any holes in my reasoning to me if there are any......

					- Pete McKinney
					- pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
From: phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Cadets music in 93
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:11:27 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep8.164652.27451@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater) writes:
> Early information:
> 
> Cadets plan to play another David Holsinger (sp?) show next year.  
> Supposedly, David was very impressed at finals with the Cadets 
> interpretation of his music and he is going to work with them next 
> year on another one of his pieces.
> 
> I don't know his work...what else did he write and what could be 
> appropriate for a 93 Cadets drum corps show?
> 
> Tom
> ---

Another Holsinger piece that I am very familiar with is On a Hymnsong for
Philip Bliss.  (Colts played this as the ballad in '90 and '91; a truly
beautiful chart.....We played more of it and better in '91, just in case you
are running up your tape or CD...second song of the show.)

The Wind Symphony at UNI has also played several of his pieces...I wish I could
remember some titles for you....any one of those would work well with Cadets. 
I'm glad David is planning to work with them...I think he will find a good
medium for his music in Drum corps.

Brooke
Colts '89-'93
Mellophone
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: Duct Tape
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 06:02:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.151458.1@d0msu7.fnal.gov> jerger@d0msu7.fnal.gov writes:
> 
>    Ray Pedroza (made famous as the short dude with bad teeth on the end of
>the snare line in an oft-seen '82 photo!). Also you might know Joe White,
>'84 tenor player with worse teeth who was the other half of the Ray n' Joe 
>twins. (We kidded them on the teeth bit but only because they could blow us
>in the weeds chops-wise). Don't think I know anyone from your year, 
>except for Gary Zinter.

Hey, I remember those guys. Didn't they teach Valley Fever for a while?
Did you know them from there, or from VK? Also, was Dave Dulillo (sp?)
teaching the line when you were at VK, and did you know Tricia Bailey?
(now Tricia Bovenschen...marched in VK's snare line somewhere around '88)

>    I wonder whether the tuning tricks get harsher as the line gets weaker,
>from what I can tell, you can separate BD's lines into pre- and post- 1987,
>which seems to me to be the (downward) turning point for their success. 
>BTW, when I referred to BD's '88 snare line as weak, I meant as far as BD's
>lines go. They beat us...

No offense taken. Actually, I thought that our ('85's) line was Float's weakest
line to win drums, and probably not as good as '82 OR '87. I think I would
say the "turning point" (if there is one) would be around '88. Don't get me
wrong, though...we still had a pretty good line, and marching there  was a 
great experience.

[snip]

>    So what's your connection with MSU? I notice you're down the road
>a ways - do you teach the line here at all? I understand that this is
>where a lot of Cavvies spend their winters.

Marched in the line there from '81-86. (Took the 5 1/2 year plan, corps
can really screw up your college schedule). :-(  I'm not teaching, but
I know a lot of guys in the line, and on staff. Did you know that Chris
Thompson (Madison) teaches the drumline there, and that the band director
(John Madden) teaches Phantom's hornline? So how did you end up at MSU?
We should try to hook up at a game this fall...

--Brad



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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Records and CD quality
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 10 Sep 1992 10:58:23 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <Sep07.191111.51142@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Peter Mckinney) says:
>
>Stereo imaging is achieved by the aiming of the mikes -
>since they are crossed, one is aiming a bit to the right and the other a bit
>to the left.   This is not a new concept and I'm surprised it's not used for
>the DCI recordings.  I think some folks have even played around with the idea
>of placing mikes on a model of a human head where your ears are supposed to
>be....   :-).
 
This is known as binaural recording.  Microphones are essentially placed
in a model human head where the eardrums are located.  This recording
technique can make extremely realistic-sounding recordings, but there is
one hitch -- binaural recordings must be listened to via headphones.
I have heard a binaural recording through conventional speakers and the
sound is positively awful.
 
Mike Hughes
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Tape of Broadcast
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:54:16 GMT

steveg@mks.com (Steve Gingerich) writes:

< ... 3 or 4 requests for copies of the DCI broadcast deleted ... >

Well, there seems to be sufficient demand so I'll go ahead and post
this.

I have a hi-fi mono copy of the broadcast.  There are a couple of
momentary fluffs in the broadcast (our local cable company stinks, but
that is a story for another post.)

I will be happy to dub copies of the broadcast if you'll provide me with
a blank tape and a post-paid envelope to return the tape to you in.
(The two pounds for $2.90 deal from the USPS is an easy way to make sure
it gets back to you.)

Mail the stuff to:

Bob Berry
813 College Ave #7
Clemson, SC
29631

I don't believe I am breaking any copyright laws (because I am not
profitting from copying the tape.)  However if I am wrong, let me know
and I'll stop.

I'm kind of busy right now (between the college football season, the
high school football season, and the marching band competitive season my
scedule's pretty full.)  But I'll try to get the tapes back as quickly
as possible.

I also think that a hi-fi stereo copy of the entire broadcast (top 12) is
available from 800 Video Express for around a $100.00.  (Although I
could be wrong about this, but I know they *used* to have such a deal.)

Later,
Bob
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From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: cadet's t-shirt quote
Date: 15 Sep 1992 20:08:34 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Sep15.175637.24103@wam.umd.edu> cadets@next06cville.wam.umd.edu (William Michael Putman) writes:
>However if we had choose to go with an easier show because so many people  
>thought it was impossible, we never would have been able to show them that  
>it could be done, and done well.  Now that it has been done, we can say we  
>have advanced the activity and ourselves, and now we'll attempt to go  
>further with another "daring adventure"
		       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is this a hint as to what next years show will be all about. Do tell!

>
>Bill
>Cadets '91 '92  


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From: huajima@buengf.bu.edu (Jim Huang)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Crossmen lore
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:57:24 GMT
Reply-To: huajima@buengf.bu.edu (Jim Huang)
Followup-To: alt.drumcorps
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

I think it has to do with their "Superman" closer of the late 70's
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Drum corps and the Media
Date: 11 Sep 1992 15:25:28 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Sep10.002437.28858@polari> cdoser@polari.online.com writes:
>Ok, ok, enough of the sex stuff, what are WE going to do about getting
>better coverage for drum corps? Are you who thought it was a good
>idea to go after Ted Turner going to write him? Send him a tape of DCI?
>Let's not let this thread go. I'm going to write to Turner.
>What are you going to do???????????????????????????????????

If Ted Turner was interested into drum corps as a worthy event, wouldn't
Spirit be all over him for financial support.  If I'm not mistaken, Spirits
'90 show was _Gone With the Wind_ (owned by Turner).  I think this is a good
idea to see if TNT or TBS will do some coverage of DCI South or some other
regional compotitions, but if won't contribute to one corps, then I doubt
that he will invest money into a broadcast.  Does anyone know if he (Turner
Enterprises) makes any contributions to Spirit?

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:22:48 -0400 
From: David James Foremsky <df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: My comments on Finals and PBS broadcast
	<1992Sep11.024936.20984@hubcap.clemson.edu>

On 11-Sep-92 in Re: My comments on Finals a..
user Robert W Berry@hubcap.cl writes:
>drill technician, and they'll tell you what kind of nightmare blind
>covers can be.  Imagine most of the corps doing them.  Ouch.  You would

Just a question from a drill novice - what is a "blind cover"?

deej
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: martinr@ima.isc.com (Martin Romano)
Subject: Re: Short Memories
Organization: Interactive Systems, Cambridge, MA 02138-5302
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:34:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.003657.29136@polari> cdoser@polari.online.com writes:
>Bob,
>Were you talking about seeing Vanguard or Crossmen?
>I saw the 1980 Vanguard show and was just blown away then. But then
>I also loved the basis of the music. Can anyone here name the arranger
>of the version of Planets that they used? I'm still mad that they got
>burned that year. They were ahead of their time. They "Zigged" first,
>before Garfield did.
>
Didn't Frank Dorrite do the horn book for SCV in 1980? Now there was
a *character*. Does anyone know his whereabouts these days? Last I
heard of him, he was hornline instructor for the mighty 1983 Bridgemen :-)
Not a good career move, I suspect.
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Great music for drum corps discovery
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 10:57:43 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Yesterday I bought a CD that contains absolutely perfect music for a corps
to explore.  In particular, I'm thinking about the Cadets.
 
The composer is Michael Torke.  He was born in Wisconsin in 1961 and his
works have created a buzz in orchestral and academic music circles.  His
most famous pieces, which are featured on this disc, are referred to as
*Color Music*.  The disc includes 5 pieces: *Green*, *Purple*, *Ecstatic
Orange*, *Ash*, and *Bright Blue Music*.
 
Even though there is variety in the intent of the pieces, the general aspect
of the works includes relentless motion, interesting harmonic writing (both
consonant and dissonant) and impeccable orchestration.  There is use of
motif in the works, but texture and rythym are the chief musical devices.
In this vein, one might make a comparison to Adams' minimalist works,
although Torke's music really defies any preset mold.  The liner notes state
that he has quite successfully merged classical, jazz and even pop elements
into his music.  Just the thing to push the envelope, eh?
 
Torke has been vastly successful in getting his music heard, and the *Color
Music* has even been choreographed and performed by the Ballanchine dance
company in New York....good news for any color guard.
 
I would encourage any readers of the group to get a copy of the disc and
listen for yourself.  I'd also be interested in anyone's opinions who have
already heard the pieces.  I first rented it from the local library, so you
might check there first.  The disc is on the British classical label ARGO
and is performed by David Zinman and the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra.  You
can't miss it in the racks at the record store....the cover is a photo of a
big orange.
 
Mike Hughes
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: afo@apollo.HP.COM (Aaron Oppenheimer)
Subject: '85 & pits (was: Re: A Comment About Zingali...)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:28:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA


In article <1992Sep15.174454.23888@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:
|> Don't forget that Garfield had a great drumline that year, also.
|> They beat us several times before finals, but had a few major mistakes
|> that probably cost them the percussion trophy. Listen to the first
|> attack of Candide (sp?). That would have been a major unit penalty
|> using the tick system.

Ah, yes, '85 finals. Rich, the drum major, actually double-pumped in
the count off to Candide (like, almost aborted the takeoff, decided it
was too late to back out, and confused the whole corps). Actually, we 
pit people never watched him start Candide because we were doing this 
weird intro thing - we'd get into the tune a few bars in. So it sounded 
a little strange to us, but we were surprised when we came off the 
field and found the rest of the corps either ready to kill Rich or 
crying or both. (Hey, could've been worse - I remember one show in '83 
when the DM forgot to call the horns up before Rocky Point, so half the 
corps started the show and half didn't. yikes. Remember that, Tom?) I 
guess it's a credit to the corps (well, minus the pit :) that they got 
it together within a beat or two.

|> I'm certainly don't claim
|> to know much about pit sections, but I generally like Vanguard, Garfield,
|> and Cavies pits the best.
|> How about you? (you too, Aaron.)
Y'know, I've been out of drum corps for 6 years now, and I still can't 
take my eyes off the pit when I watch a corps. It's kind of a pain 
because I miss drill moves and stuff.

I have really nice memories of meeting members of the pits from other 
corps - especially Spirit, Cavies, Madison, and SCV (George, I'm sure 
we must have met - I used to talk to Martha a lot; any idea what she's 
doing now?) We never really talked to the BD folks much.

I've always found something to like, either technique-wise or 
parts-wise in every pit I've seen. That's a cool thing about the pit: 
so much is going on it's easy to find good stuff.

-Aaron

 
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater)
Subject: Cadets music in 93
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 16:46:52 GMT
Summary: Cadets music in 93

Early information:

Cadets plan to play another David Holsinger (sp?) show next year.  
Supposedly, David was very impressed at finals with the Cadets 
interpretation of his music and he is going to work with them next 
year on another one of his pieces.

I don't know his work...what else did he write and what could be 
appropriate for a 93 Cadets drum corps show?

Tom
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From: cdoser@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Starting Line - new drum corps magazine
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:41:29 GMT

I would highly recommend this magazine. As a subscriber to 
Drum Corps World for the last 20 years, it is nice to see another
magazine, and one with a different outlook. Glossy, color, light
in heart in all the right places. Let's subscribe! Keep it going

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From: fjs3367@ultb.isc.rit.edu (F.J. Schwalm)
Subject: Re: SENIOR corps finals this week!
Originator: fjs3367@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:06:24 GMT


Slight correction.  DCA is held in Scranton, PA this year, as it was
last year.

It's going to be interesting this year...  Watch the Statesmen if you
go.  Prepare to stand up and chear.  We've got 5 standing ovations
designed into the show... :)

		Nutrocker --

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