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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Andy departs... (was Re: System 6 Launcher!)
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:05:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.220931.2895@xcluud.sccsi.com> gtolar@xcluud.sccsi.com (Glynne Tolar) writes:
[ ]
>
>SOmething I ment to add in my ealier message.  I do thank Andy for his work
>for the II <although I'm not sure of his true motavations, I don't think
>they were purely to help the II but for for his career>.  Also I thank him for
>his honesty!!!  I bet he knew flames would come from it.  From me so far
>anyway.  I don't liek Apple and some of the people there in.  <some I think
>are sluting themselves for a job rather then saying they are there to help the
>II>.  Can you help the II working on a Mac, I doubt it.

What kind of nonsense is this? Have you never heard of people moving around
to different projects if only to keep their enthusiasm up? System6.0 was a
major project. Nothing wrong with a change. Many people work on different
things all the time. I move from project to project. It doesn't mean that I
care less for the ones I've finished. As for your Mac statement, it should
be obvious that anything that helps the Mac will help the GS as the Mac is
the line that brings in the most revenue. I wish Andy N. well . System 6.0
is very, very...nice. I still feel Apple has an uphill battle in the computer
industry, but I guess that makes it even more interesting.

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Next mail ok...]
From: schwarts@cps3xx.cps.msu.edu (Steven Eric Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6.0 and Printshop GS
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:29:52 GMT
Reply-To: schwarts@cps3xx.cps.msu.edu (Steven Eric Schwartz)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: schwarts@cps3xx.cps.msu.edu

I am running PS GS and Companion from a HD on System 6.0 with 1.75 Megs....
no probs here.



						Steven
From: tcomtaob@BLUFFS.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Geek Benchmarks
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:37:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: bluffs.9204080437.AA20830
Organization: The Internet

The following revelation escaped Andy McFadden's lips:
>
> I've noticed that sometimes the 5.0.4 Finder returned a byte count that was
> WAY off.  One time it said 1.5M bytes, with 4MB on disk (the second one was
> correct).  The new Finder didn't have this problem.

    Someone on the net made the astute observation that the old Finder
didn't correctly report the size in bytes of files over a certain
threshold (something like 250K).  So if you have a whole bunch of little
files in a folder, the size in bytes and the size in K would roughly
match.  But if it contained several large files (like if you stuffed
AppleWorks GS, HyperCard IIGS and Prosel-16 all in one folder), the
byte count would be way off.  In any case, the problem is now fixed in
Finder 6.0.  Thanks Andy!  (no, not you, the other Andy!)  ;-)
-- 
Brian T. Tao    =*8-) | ::::::::> tcomtaob@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca <::::::::
Dept. of Exobiology   | :::::> generic!terranet!taob@zoo.toronto.edu <:::::
University of Toronto | "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,from.socal.com
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!!
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 20:56:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

>In article <1992Apr12.011403.14818@pro-palmtree.socal.com>, hlee@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Hyo Lee) write
>> 
>>>>>>> stuff omitted <<<<<<
>
>There is a very simple reason why it doesn't come out right...
>
>FTP and Kermit MUST be used in TEXT mode!
>
>Did you forget what the point of BinSCI was?  The point is so that binary files
>can be represented by text characters so they can be posted in places like
>c.b.a2 that only except text.  Binary mode on FTP will roast text files, and
>text mode will roast binary files because of the way the files are interpreted
>by the system.  Changing FTP mode (not sure about Kermit) to Text should solve
>the problem.

Say what? Text mode is a 7-bit transfer, and it should roast an 8-bit file, like
a GIF or a binary. But binary mode is an 8-bit, and it will pass the 7-bit text
just fine. Why do you say the a binary transfer will "roast" a text file? I have
ftp'd text files many times after moving binaries (still in binary mode) and 
they have been just fine.

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>|  Ryan A. Moore			|	  Rose-Hulman Institute       |
>|  moorera@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu       |             of Technology           |
>|  Okay, so I'm a geeky computer science|            Terre Haute, IN          |
>|  major...  BIG DEAL!			|                WHERE?               |
>------------------May use a VAX, but I still love my Apple IIgs!!--------------

Rich

payner@netcom.com
From: nelson@pro-miami.cts.com (System Administrator)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: RE: NEWS RELEASE: MDG INTRODUCES PROLINE 2.0
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:17:39 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA


In <k4koiB4w164w@graphics.rent.com>
matthew@graphics.rent.com (Matthew McGehrin) writes:

>[ alot of stuff deleted ]  
>
>> Pricing
>>
>[ a little stuff deleted ]
>>
> 
>I guess you do not want many new users in the proline community. Isnt 
>$260 alot for a bbs program? Alot of new authors will go the gnh- route, 
>since I woudlnt pay $260 for a software package. 
> 

It's worth every penny!
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From: t.captain@bluemoon.rn.com (Tc Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:41:14 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])

tcomtaob@BLUFFS.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao) writes:

> The following revelation escaped Tc Wilson's lips:
> > 
> > Now, I understand that not everyone at Apple doesn't have a RamFast (why, 
> > I don't know - I would guess pride, but I'm pessimitic), but it's just 
> > very ODD that with the HiSpeed SCSI card in, it works fine (goes in and 
> > out of P8 okay), but with the RamFast in, it doesn't. (no, I'm not going 
> > back to the HSSCSI).
> 
>     Dunno, I'm not getting any of the sort of problems you've been
> describing with ProDOS 8 and the RamFAST/RamFAST.Driver.  Didn't you 
> mentioned something about AppleTalk/AppleShare in your system setup?
> -- 
> Brian T. Tao    =*8-) | ::::::::> tcomtaob@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca <::::::::
> Dept. of Exobiology   | :::::> generic!terranet!taob@zoo.toronto.edu <:::::
> University of Toronto | "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."


No, not on the machine that I'm using right now - the AT/AS setup is on my 
friend's machines.


Tc Wilson/The Captain           "Programming is an art form
t.captain@bluemoon.rn.com        that fights back."
From: PKBRANDON@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Pointless
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:10:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: MSUS1.01GILPBM2WN4000EWM
Organization: The Internet

Has anyone else had problems with Pointless getting confused as to where
TrueType fonts are?  When I put a _lot_ of fonts in its list, spread over
two or more 3.5's, Pointless often asks for a disk other than the one the
font is on, even though the path name is displayed correctly by Pointless.
I've tried removing and reloading fonts, even deleting the Pointless font
list file to let Pointless reconstruct in from scratch; no luck.
   ------------------------------------------------------------------
   ---   Paul Brandon    Psychology Dept    Mankato State Univ   ---
   ---    PKBRANDON@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU          Mankato, MN 56001    ---
From: warlock@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: all this bruhaha re ramfast and sys6.0
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:16:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-have.1992Apr6.231608.13079
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300


        I don't know what all the fuss is about the remapping thing in
ProDOS 2.0.1...  All you had to do in the first place was to notice the
conflict, and realize that you could actually reconfigure one of the two
remaps - namely the RamFAST one.  So, you just go into your RamFAST utility
and make sure that only the first two partitions are mapped, and that they
are only mapped to drives one and two of the slot your RamFAST is in. 
Simple as that.  No fuss, no muss, no need for a patch, and no need for a
new RamFAST rom.  If you don't know how to unmap a partition, try mapping
another partition on top of it, or mapping it to slot 0.

        This was the first idea that came to mind when I noticed the remap
conflicts, since I remembered that the new, smarter ProDOS 2.0.1 could now
recognize more partitions, thus making the RamFAST remap unnecessary (and
undesireable, since it could only remap 8 partitions vs the 12 of ProDOS
2.0.1...)   It's worked ever since, and I run a P8 BBS from GS/OS almost 24
hours a day (alright, I use the puter to call campus and WP, but other than
that, it's dedicated to the board  ;-)   ).

warlock@pro-haven.cts.com          Warlock            6 ventilations & 2 tats
twb5024@zeus.tamu.edu            Tye Botting       N.Shaolin/N.Praying Mantis
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From: shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Andy departs... (was Re: System 6 Launcher!)
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:29:58 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr11.171702.6709@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bb252@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James L. Brookes) writes:

>>While I keep close tabs on what Dave's doing to the Finder now, I no longer
>>work for IIGS System Software.  I work for Ron Lichty with the Macintosh
>>Finder Team.  I -do- contribute every now and then (like trying to get the
>>Keyboard Navigation INIT written in one night at Dave's), but I'm no longer
>>directly responsible for the Apple IIGS Finder.
> 
>So, I guess the question should be - do you still plan to work on your
>non-Apple projects for the // and GS? (namely GSHK and p8 Shrinkits).

Yep.  I LIKE working on ShrinkIt and GS-ShrinkIt and as long as I like working
on them, I'll keep improving them (one of these days I'll get around to
converting them to use MPW projector and my life will be easier when trying
to track shrinkit revisions).

>What this means, I suppose, is more work for Dave (how much can one guy, no
>matter how talanted, handle?)

Dave is doing fine so far, and when he has a question about something he thinks
I know the answer to, he asks me.

andy

-- 
Andy Nicholas			GEnie & America-Online: shrinkit
Apple Computer, Inc.		       	      InterNET: shrinkit@apple.com
From: gt8310b@prism.gatech.EDU (David Farber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: High Speed Modems on IIgs
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:20:21 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <32559@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (99E99) writes:
>	By the way, are you _sure_ that the modem goes up to 57.6Kbaud?
>Even though v.32bis is 14400 and there is a theoretical maximum of 4:1 
>compression, SOME of the modems only advertize as going up to 38400 as a 
>theoretical maximum.  I'd guess it's a limitation of the modem chipset or
>serial port hardware in the modem. [To make the modems hella cheap, they
>sometimes have to cut corners]  I'm not saying you should pay (much) more
>to get one that'll do 57.6K over one that'll do 38.4K.  Remember, you 
>almost never get anywhere up that fast..

  Just what do you mean by 'sure'?
  
  v.32bis = 14.4k
  v.42bis = 4:1 compression (max. theoretical)

  14.4k x 4 = 57.6k

  Yes, the new Supras boast a theoretical throughput of 57.6k. Of
course, those who hve high speed modems know that maximum theoretical
compression is something you -rarely- see, but the new Supra is a great
modem and is being sold at an _EXCELLENT_ price.

  Why not go for 57.6k?

>/unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu GS SIMM mem card & trackball WANTED  Apple II Forever!\
>\Mail me:Get INFOCOM GAMES RERELEASED,ULT VI GS done,for UNIX GS&CHEAP CD info/

----Dave

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From: x9999bns@oak.circa.ufl.edu (David Isaacson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Sys6 and AWGS
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:11:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: math.1992Apr6.170737.5445
Reply-To: X9999BNS%oak.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: The CIRCA Underground

Is this a memory problem?
   I can load AWGS from the Finder, but when I select a any module to run it
says "Unable to load _blank_ module". It doesn't say "Out of memory error" or
"not enough memory to load module". Do I not have enough memory? I have ROM1
2.25 Meg with 1.3Meg free before loading AWGS. I have tried shift-boot for no
DAs, and it doesn't help. 
  I also started having problems when I opened a folder, the usual white
background behind icons was all garbled with multi-colors. Deleting the
Finder.* files fixed it, but I thought it might be a symptom to this or my
previous post.


David Isaacson           VAX:  Fraenhawk@maple.circa.ufl.edu
                               X9999BNS@maple.circa.ufl.edu

                         Unix: fhawk@nerix.nerdc.ufl.edu
From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: More Sys 6 probs
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:57:27 GMT
Organization: Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Apr6.170005.5377@math.ufl.edu>, x9999bns@oak.circa.ufl.edu (David Isaacson) writes:
> 
> Has anyone else run into this?
>   When I first installed Sys 6 I used Font/DA Installer to install GScii+ so I
> could unBINscii off of a HFS disk. Everything worked fine.
>   Now when I try the same thing Font/DA bombs when installing NDAs and
> sometimes CDAs. I've tried it with and without alphabetize DAs on. I also tried
> putting GScii in the DeskAccs folder; it shows up under the Apple menu, but 
> crashes into the monitor right after showing the status box (right before
> showing the open file dialog box).
>   Why did it work the first time? I have no idea. I have tried unshrinking the
> archives of both DAs to see if something corrupted them - nothing.
> 
> ROM1,2.25Meg,RAMFast SCSI.
> 
> David Isaacson           VAX:  Fraenhawk@maple.circa.ufl.edu

I can't speak for other programs I haven't seen, but my own IR program lets you
double-click on DAs, Inits, some GS/OS drivers and Finder Extensions and
install them immediately without even leaving the Finder.  Not only works with
System 6.0, it requires it.  And it's on ftp.apple.com.

(Feels good to blow my own horn now and then...)

============================================================================
Matt Deatherage, Developer Technical  | The opinions expressed herein are
Support, Apple Computer, Inc.         | not those of Apple Computer, and
Personal mail only, please.  Thanks.  | shame on you for thinking otherwise.
^^^^^^^^ Technical questions are not personal. Please post them instead.
============================================================================
From: mark@trillian.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Why no Small C?
Date: 7 Apr 1992 17:53:01 GMT
Organization: Simulacron I

Quite true on the cut and run thingy.

On the printf() function, what I was thinking about (as you also know)
was like a split flowchart-like synergism (sp?).  I know I'm repeating
myself, but something along the lines of:

printf()
   |
   +-->PrintString()
   |
   +-->PrintInteger()
   |
   +-->PrintFloat()
   |
   +-->PrintWhatever()  (ie: Etc....)

If the compiler did a bit more work than simply generating code like:


;
;  printf("Hello World!  This is my %d\% cent's worth!",2);
;
   jsr printf
   .hx 02
   .as "Hello World!.  This is my %d\% cent's worth!"
   .hx 00
   .hx 02

And instead had a intelligent compiler; then the code generated might
look like this instead:

;
;  printf("Hello World!  This is my %d\% cent's worth!",2);
;
   jsr PrintString
   .hx 01
   .as "Hello World!  This is my"
   .hx 00
   jsr PrintDecimal
   .hx 02
   .as "%d"
   .hx 00
   .da TempLoc_1
   jsr PrintString
   .hx 01
   .as "% cent's worth!"
   .hx 00
   .
   .
   .
TempLoc_1 .hx 02

True, it is not as easy as my example would make it seem.  But the end
result would be a lot fewer bytes used in the compilation.  The real
problem would come in when you had something like:

   printf(Current_String_Format,First_Number, Second_Number, etc...);

Because then you'd have no recourse except to call a function called
"printf".  But then, that would also be the price you'd pay for having
the flexibility of building your format string during execution.

In any event - the original thing which set this whole discussion off was
about someone who, when they compiled a simple "Hello World" program,
used seven blocks of disk space and I thought that was a bit much.  I
still do.  But only time will tell if and when I get my own C compiler
up and running.  Later.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Subject: Re: System 6 & SCSI partitions
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:58:16 GMT

ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

>	Note that the HFS partition takes up a lot of space (1.6 megs for a 104

This space is "reserved" ahead of time for directories. It is not wasted.

>meg partition). Also, I had problems using it with GScii/GSHK. Somehow, the
>ShrunkIt versions cannot be used. (from HFS). I undecoded the BSC versions (in
>GSHK) from the HFS partition into another folder there. GSHK choked on the
>undecoded files. But when I move the .bsc files to the prodos partitions and
>then undecoded it via gscii, gshk can use it.

I noticed this problem also, and reported it to Derek Taubert (he wrote GSCII).
He has reproduced the problem and it's being investigated. Dave Lyons has been
notified but hasn't responded yet. What's happening is that GSCII is making a
WriteGS call for 12K -- but the HFS FST responds that only 512 bytes were
written. We're not totally sure what is causing it (could be Orca, we haven't
ruled that out yet), so just be careful about using GSCII with HFS volumes for
now. I haven't noticed this problem with any other programs yet, so I suspect
it is something that GSCII is doing -- notice that if you use GSCII and either
the source or destination disks are non-HFS, you do not have any problems.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ tybalt.caltech.edu
From: kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: RamKeeper as firehazard
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:30:52 GMT
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Tue Apr 07 92 at 11:49:43 (EST)

> From: PKBRANDON@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU
>     Paul Brandon    ---   INTERNET:    PKBRANDON@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU  
> Kim Brennan reports that RamKeepers are fire hazards.  There have been
> some postings about this.  Apparently, _some_ of the RamKeeper cards had
> a loose wire on them that could short out against the case of the GS.  No
> such problem on the RamKeeper that I've been using for the past couple of
> years.

One of the design problems in the Ramkeepers is that the POWER TRACE is right
at the top of the board. If you put a Ramkeeper in a converted //e the board
doesn't fit, and the power trace MAY contact the grounded inside of the //e
case. Power + Ground usually equals spark (or worse). 
 
This can be a problem in standard GS cases too as the shielding in the GS case
is bare metal attached to the plastic shell. 
 
This whole thread is really silly though, cause there is NO reason for using a
RamKeeper any more. Even the spurious argument of fragmented random access
files is non-sequitar. On a 1 Meg Ramfast you would be keeping 90% of your
most used files in the RamFAST cache anyway....AND the Ramfast can DMA those
files into the RAM of you GS a LOT faster than you can deal with them on a
RamDisk. 
 
              -=> Message from Kim Brennan <=-
                (kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com)
   {Cathouse BBS (301) 840-8567 3/12/24/9600 V.32 24 hours}
From: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury, SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: NEWS RELEASE: MDG INTRODUCES PROLINE 2.0
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:59:01 GMT
Organization: Raven Enterprises -- Piscataway, NJ USA
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.28 2/25/92 (Beta) by Mike Schwartz

In article <6cqo02F3bfpK00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden) writes:
>In article <k4koiB4w164w@graphics.rent.com> matthew@graphics.rent.com (Matthew McGehrin) writes:
>>> ProLine 2.0, $259.95 ($50 upgrade)
>>
>>I guess you do not want many new users in the proline community. Isnt
>>$260 alot for a bbs program? Alot of new authors will go the gnh- route,
>>since I woudlnt pay $260 for a software package.
>
>Have you ever USED ProLine?  Ever called a ProLine BBS and wandered around
>in the shell?

Obviously he hasn't and he doesn't have any idea of what he's talking
about.	If he did, he would know that his assertion that $260.00 is too
much for Proline is wrong.

>The old version was pretty amazing.  Certainly a step above most other BBS
>software, and it'll run on a //e.
>
>I personally would be very reluctant to shell out $260; I'd look for a
>discount source or wait for one of his reduced-price sales.  $150 would
>be a bargain, IMHO.

I'm sure there will be discounts and other deals.  I would like to point
out that Proline is one of the *best* BBS packages currently available
for *ANY* computer platform out there.	I know because I have tested and
run BBS's on the MAC, Amiga, IBM, Unix and Apple //.  Proline offers
features that no other software offers and it's easy to use.  There are
not many BBS programs that allow powerful C-Shell access with
restrictions.  Most IBM software doesn't allow Usenet and the software
that does has a horrible interface for mail/news reading.

The only downfall to the Proline software is that it runs on the Apple
// which doesn't support the hardware for the UUCP protocol.  Also, it
will not support multiple lines.  These limitations were too much for me
so I don't currently run Proline.  I am forced to run Waffle on an IBM
which allows me free local UUCP connections but still no multiple lines
and it has a horrible interface.  I only wish that Proline was available
for other platforms.

-- Bob

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: mccla_d@poppy.cs.odu.edu (dennis mcclain-furmanski)
Subject: RE: Nostalgia Contest
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Distribution: comp.sys.apple2
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 06:33:17 GMT

rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com says:

[ Reference Manual stuff nuked ]

> Can anyone top this?

How about an original Apple labeled, *working* DOS 3.1.1 System Master?
And a copy of VisiCalc, also on an Apple label (they distributed it for a 
short time).

I lost my cassette with B-1 BOMBER and BLOODY MURDER.
Actually, my spousal simulator taped over it.
Art is not eternal.