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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Paramount Press Release - DS9 - #405: Babel (*spoilers*)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:15:33 GMT
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Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <93Jan21.204812.14986@acs.ucalgary.ca> jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
>Spoilers Ho! (Only because it hasn't aired in most of NA yet)

>In article <1j9s82INNfo9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley) writes:
>>Between the title "Babel" and the reference in the cast list to
>>an "aphasia victim", it sounds like the disease on board DS9
>>involves people losing the ability to communicate by language
>>-- that's what "aphasia" means, more or less, and of course
>>"Babel"refers to the Bible story in which God causes everyone
>>to speak different languages making them unable to understand
>>each other.  Could be an interesting story concept.
>
>In Starlog's new DS9 magazine, Volume 1, it gives interviews with
>cast and crew on set while filmin Babel. O'Brien is the first
>(major) character on the station hit with a virus that causes him
>to babble incoherently, at least in the later stages. 
>
>My impressions:
>
>On first glance, an idiotic idea.
>
>On second glance, a much more plausable disease than many seen on
>Trek. The disease progresses slowly. O'Brien doesn't notice at
>first, and he plays it straight... it should be a fun show to
>watch. I'm looking forward to it. :)
>
I'm looking forward to as good of a treatment of communications difficulty
as Darmok was.  Now, that may be hotly debated at times on whether Darmok
was a good episode or not, it was in my top ten (a 10.0, IMHO) and I hope
Babel will be as good.

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From: coleman@acavax.lynchburg.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: COULD KIRA BE ANY HOTTER?
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:28:28 -0500
Organization: Lynchburg College

Well, I don't normally read this group, but since she's totally, hot,
add me to the I WANT KIRA'S BODY list too.  Yeah!

John Coleman !
COLEMAN@ACAVAX.LYNCHBURG.EDU
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...
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From: ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jeff "Koganuts" Koga)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:59:49 GMT

In <shari.727968142@rlxdev> shari@modcomp.uucp (Shari Bernhard) writes:

[Text deleted]

>Later, when Riker was trying to explain the computer to the Ferengi ("You
>*do* know what a (ram-phroto-stratus-or-whatever) is, don't you?"  "Of
>course I do, *human*!  I'm not stupid!" "No, of course not."), and then
>launching into the must hilarious description of the computer system I
>ever heard, I thought I was going to bust a gut laughing!  The writers
>must have had great fun with that scene.

To me, it seemed more like an in-joke to all of the viewers.  Considering the
rising amount of god-awful, non-scientific technobabble that's been in some of
the recent episodes (like "Schisms"), I felt exactly like the aforementioned
Ferengi.  It gets to be sickening after a while.  Sometimes it seems to be a
plug for the _"ST:TNG" Technical Manual_ so that you can decipher what was
actually said. >=P  I want to be entertained by the show, not educated on
supposedly "scientific" principles.

Another example is "The Nth Degree", where Barclay explains to Riker exactly how
he managed to boost the shields while shooting at the threatening probe at close
range.  Although Riker's "Uh-huh, I see that" was great, again, it expressed how
frustrating the show can be to watch.

On a side note, I wonder how many times Jonathan Frakes had to memorize that
whole section of dialogue in "Rascals"?  He probably just read it from off-
screen from some cue cards or something...


							--Jeff "Koganuts" Koga
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I'm one of two members of the Terry Farrell (Jadzia Dax from "ST:DS9") Fan Club!
From: jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: How to spell "Bajorn" was (Re: More ramblings about DS9)
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:01:20 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


The novelization of "Emissary" includes the terms "Bajor", "Bajora"<
and "Bajorans".  However, it's not clear which of the two last terms
is used for what.  I'm inclined to believe that "Bajora" is feminine
of "Bajoran".


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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Holodeck matter (spoiler)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:42:17 GMT

huggins@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Huggins) writes:

>In article <C1I0qv.7JG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>|Something just popped into my head whilst watching "Ship in a Bottle"
>

>|Okay, here it is:

>|The book shouldn't have disappeared.

>|The holodeck uses rudimentary transporter technology to create simply
>|things such as trees, water (member, Wesley drips after falling into
>|the stream in the pilot), paper (Moriarty's drawing in "Elementary,
>|Dear Data"), etc.

>|The only matter that *can't* leave the holodeck are the people.  So
>|the book, a replicated book, should have landed with a thud in the
>|corridoor, not disappeared in a sparkle of light.

>I think you can explain this one away ... remember that the book
>disappeared from *Moriarty's* holodeck simulation, which
>was programmed with his own understanding of what a holodeck
>can and can't do.  Since he had never seen holodeck matter
>removed from the holodeck, he didn't know what would happen
>when holodeck matter was removed.


Yes, but why did Picard throw the book at all if that 
wasn't exactly what he expected as well, and wasn't in
any way surprised by the outcome?


LJC, making trouble again
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: The Final Star Trek Movie?
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:17:08 GMT

In article <drew.727541274@deathstar> drew@deathstar.dell.com (Drew Stephens) writes:
>ergo@netcom.com (Isaac Rabinovitch) writes:
>
>>In <1993Jan9.220907.13022@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jmitten@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James A Mitten) writes:
>
>>> The final one, huh?  That can call it
>>> *** Star Trek VII: The Final Chapter -- Part III ***
>>> since part V and VI were also said to be the final movies.
>
>>>My vote goes to........ STAR TREK VII: THE SENIOR TOUR
>
>
>>>or how about: Star Trek VII:  Warping With the Oldies?
>
>
>>Star Trek VII:  The Apology!
>
>Star Trek VII: Eh?

Star Trek VII: Ya know back in my day, we didn't have no "Hall-ow-deck"!
               We just had a cold, dusty Rec Deck, and we *liked* it, by
               gum, we LOVED it!


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From: farmer@cs.utk.edu (SUSAN FARMER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the novels! I now know what!
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:28:34 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennessee, Knoxville
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In article <73901@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
 
 >And here I always thought that the TV show's biggest problem was that they
 >just haven't managed to make any episodes that feel like real books.
 >
 >PAD

Score 1 for Peter.

Susan
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From: hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg)
Subject: What's that nonsense about splitting? 
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:30:52 GMT


Hey guys and girls out there !! Haven't you realized yet that DS9 ist
part of STAR TREK ? It belongs in here, too. Just because some don't
like it (as some old Trekkies didn't like TNG -- think about that)
doesn't mean that it's not part of Star Trek.
Hey give DS9 a chance !!

BTW, why don't you read the book to DS9 The Emissary. It gives some
hints about Odo and such... If you're really into it, that is.

-Nicolas
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Random Wondering
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:27:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.200429.10782@athena.mit.edu> jimhsu@athena.mit.edu (Jimmy M.D. Hsu) writes:
>I was wondering if O'Brien is at two places at once.
>If DS9 occurred after the Borg, does O'Brien ever make
>an appearance on TNG after the Borg incident? If so,
>wouldn't he be in two places at once?  As I understand
>it, DS9 and TNG overlap after BOBW.  Or does DS9 start
>at the current time period of TNG?

DSN starts right around the stardate of the TNG episodes "Chain of Command"
I and II. 


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Subject: Re: What about the men?
From: san@netlink.cts.com (Sandra Roberts)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 20:43:45 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Since I'm new to this group, I don't know if this has been asked; I get 
the impression that the women Trekkers don't get into the same 
discussions about physical characteristics (i.e., Troi's posterior) that 
male Trekkers do.  However, allow me...

I cast my vote for Patrick Stewart as the best male Trek actor.  I have 
no grudge against Frakes, Spiner or Dorn, mostly because I feel that they 
don't have the same opportunities (or lines) that Stewart does.  
Stewart's appeal to me lies in the fact that he is male without being 
macho; he projects a reasonable, quiet authority that earns respect, 
rather than demands it.  I respect both Picard the character and Stewart 
the actor. 

Now, for the physical part...Stewart has the most amazing eyes, very much 
a window to his emotions.  As Picard (take, for instances, the scene at 
the end of what I call the first Borg episode (The season-end 
cliffhanger, a couple of years back)) where he goes to take a sip of tea, 
pauses, and we see a myriad of emotions pass over his face, to be 
replaced by a calm face with perturbed eyes, looking out over Earth - 
that's damn fine emoting, to me.  Why this man has never won an Emmy for 
this part is beyond me.

Regards,

San

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Ensign Ro
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:07:52 GMT

In article <500001@hplred.HPL.HP.COM> fristrup@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jenny Fristrup) writes:
>        Forgive me if this question has been asked before, I don't
>        see it in the last 75-100 or so postings...what happened to
>        Ensign Ro?  Wasn't she supposed to show up on DS9?

She was, but Michelle Forbes, who plays Ensign Ro (or did, as the case may be)
decided that she did not want the role, so she could go on to other things. 
I have two words for Michelle Forbes: Denise Crosby. I think ya hear me 
knocking, and I think I'm... wait... sorry. Wrong schtick. Anyway, the role
set up for Forbes was the Major Kira charater, which was recast when Forbes
turned it down.

 
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Subject: Re: MOST OVERRATED EPISODE
From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:14:25 EST
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I'd say "Cause and Effect."  It wasn't especially bad, but in no way
deserves the praise it's been getting (such as, "Better than YE!").
All they did was go through the same 10-minute plot four or five times,
and it got boring after a while.
From: william.johnson@um.cc.umich.edu (William Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 Kira Fan List
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: 24 Jan 1993 14:56:19 GMT
Organization: The University of Michigan
Distribution: world
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 Not just the "add me to the list" messages. The list as well. Guess what?
> I don't give a damn about who likes Kira! And I certainly don't care to
> see their names posted all over r.a.s.c!
> 
> This will surely go down in net.history as the most inane thread ever
> created...
> 
> 
> -- 
Thank you Mr. Litchman, it seems that there is someone else out there whose
hormones stopped controling their brains.  There is hope for this net after
all.
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From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: The way she walks #Bable#
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:43:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.162046@usho72.hou281.chevron.com>  
hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
> In article <1993Jan25.201646.22358@news.acns.nwu.edu>,  
meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky) writes:
> 
> |> 	In "Babel" there is a short, but great scene where Dax and Kira are  
> |> walking down the promenade together. You can immediately see the  
differences  
> |> in there characters. Kira struts in a very up-tight militaristic way  
(sort  
> |> of like she has a pole stuck up her ass) while Dax glides along with a  
more  
> |> peaceful manner. Strangely enough, Dax, who was once a man, seems much  
more  
> |> feminine. One wonders if she always walked like that, or whether body  
> |> language is supplied by the Trill host.
>  
>  Yeah, I bet TERRY FARRELL has walked that way most of her adult life!
>
Hell I know that. But they went out of there way to show the differances.  
And I'm sure Farrell could walk like a bitch if she wanted to.

>  That's almost like my 5 year old asking me how Arnold could make any
>  more movies after "peeling his own skin off his arm" in Terminator 2.
> 
Simple, Arnold is a Cyborg. Didn't you watch the movie! :)

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From: tchua@soda.berkeley.edu (Terence Chua)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: BABEL (Minor Spoiler?)
Date: 21 Jan 93 06:07:41
Organization: QMW Department of Laws
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In-reply-to: chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca's message of 20 Jan 93 16:54:00 GMT


I have a feeling, after reading the scene that they were shooting as reported
in the STARLOG DS9 premier issue, that Babel is a reference to the
Biblical story of the Tower of Babel, and the creation of different
languages as in the legend, rather than any reference to "Journey To
Babel" - the planetoid's name, in any acase, refers back to the Bible
as well.

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From: josh@bvsd.Co.EDU (Josh "^f^h^h^s^j" Prismon)
Subject: Brain(s) SPOILERS BE HERE....
Organization: Boulder Valley School District
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:18:30 GMT

Hey,
Warning There are Little tidbits of info ahead

If you havent seen "Babel" yet hit "N" now

Last Warning























O.K thats better.....
	First I have a qustion. I assume Dax has two brains one for memory(This
would be in the "Slug part" of Dax" and I assume the "Host" part controls 
everyrthing else (right or wrong ???) Second can A trill function without a "
Slug" ???
	Second I am thinking about creating a group for Space Rangers to get 
all of the talk off of r.a.s.*.Are There suggestions for names. Send Them
to me and I will post them back in a week my favorite right now is
alt.space.ranger.joke.joke.joke :)
	
	-J.P
P.S Send your .sigs to me I am going to collect them...
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Avery Brooks's acting Re: Sisko's line delivery
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:30:24 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <C1F7Es.4us@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:

>     flat, believability breaks down.  I'd say Brooks should look to
>     Nana Visitor for a bit of nuance -- "There's your wormhole!" "...
>     since I was old enough to pick up a phaser."  Etc.  

Nana Visitor is capable of nuances?

Screaming every line is surely just as bad as reading them in
a dead monotone.  After a while, the audience filters out the
screaming (because "Kira always screams") and hears it as a
monotone.  There's nothing wrong with a character being angry,
but to be realistic, a character has to be capable of *some*
emotions besides anger.
 

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From: dkgardin@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Dan Gardiner)
Subject: Re: Funniest TNG (was Re: WORST EPISODE)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:58:09 GMT

In article <1k1e2gINNsfr@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
>In article <C1EzJ5.E4J@cmptrc.lonestar.org> brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes of the comedic virtues of "Q'pid" <deleted to save bandwidth>.
>
>I just about fell over laughing when the scene cut from Deanna's shocked
>look during archery practice to Data calmly extracting an arrow from his
>chest.  Truly this was the funniest TNG episode, and I thought it rivaled
>the TOS classic "The Trouble With Tribbles" - not quite as downright silly,
>but with tongue firmly embedded in cheek.
>
>

   Sorry I can't remember the name of the episode, but it's the one where Q is 
  turned human.  What I consider the funniest moment in TNG doesn't even contain a
  line of dialogue.  It's right at the end of this episode when Q decides to give 
  Data a little present as a thank-you for saving Q's life.  Then Data starts to
  crack up laughing.  It had me rolling on the floor.  And it was such an ingenious
  gift too!



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From: dsohl@spock.uucp (Daniel Sohl)
Subject: Re: Odo is NOT hollow! (Was: Re: Odo: conservation of mass)
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:22:18 GMT

Admittedly, Odo does violate the law of conservation of mass. But that never
stopped Q!
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From: sbparker@infocom.UUCP (Stephen B Parker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Klingon Language
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:57:28 GMT
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

With the recent discussion on Picard/Stewart's inability to speak good
French, I was wondering if there is any kind of Klingon-to-English
dictionary? (Or has the language not been developed that rigorously?)
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From: william.johnson.um.cc.umich.edu (William Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Hormones
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:17:15 GMT
Organization: The University of Michigan
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.211.208.208


Gentleman, gentleman.  Can we get a life.  If we (and I use we to denote
those people who are actually taking pare in the writing) need to salivate
over Dax and Kira as if they are only sex-kittens, might I suggest that
one takes their writings to alt.sex.  No offense to alt.sex, but that
news group would better suit your sophomoric musings.


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