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From: bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers)
Subject: Re: The Doctor is...
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics
	<1992Nov8.225129.4450@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:35:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.225129.4450@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:

>  However, the TARDIS does have limits on its travel, and *cannot* function
>  before a certain point in time.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it was my understanding that the
TARDIS must not go to point in Timelord history, not that it can't.  As "proof",
in Castravalva The Master sent the Doctor on a course to event one.  That
seems about as far back as you can go without leaving this universe.  (Something
that has always bothered me is how sometimes in Dr. Who they use the words
Galaxy and Universe as if they mean the same thing.  Yet, in other cases they
actually use the terms correctly.) 

                                Bill
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From: jblum@next00clab.wam.umd.edu (The Maven)
Subject: Re: The "cynicism" of Survival, etc
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:09:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.230041.4725@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>  
as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
> In <16886@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog  
here...) writes:
> 
> >There have been lots of comments / flames about the McCoy stories  
recently,
> >mainly talking about how the stories may have been socially relevant,  
but
> >they still hold a deep cynicism about human nature.  People have been  
talking
> >about the lack of morality of stories such as "Survival" as an example  
of
> >how little the characters are cared about.

[Star Trek III discussion deleted]

> >Which story is more cynical?  Which has a greater respect for life or  
for
> >its characters?  Which hero would you rather believe in?
> 
> Certainly not Kirk, who's a boor.  I don't recall reading anything about
> Survival's cynicism, and I don't recall posting anything, so I wonder  
whose
> postings you've been reading.

Sigh.  Other people *do* post to this net, Drew.  The postings I was
talking about WEREN'T YOURS.  This is sort of a follow-up to the debate
which compared Andrew Cartmel to Mac Hulke, et cetera.

> *I* objected to the McCoy stories because I
> thought they were abominable.

As we've heard by now, Drew, as we've heard.
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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
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Subject: Re: I like Ace, dag-nabbit!
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:58:21 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov9.164751.295@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

>> 
>> Guess not.
>> 
>> Well, all I can say is that, judging by these posts, Drewcifer appears
>> to be a very accurate, realistic, and convincing portrayal of a
>> fifteen-year-old who doesn't know when to shut up.
>> 
>> Flame off.
>> 
>> --jon

>No wonder he likes Adric so much!   :)

>Steven.K.Manfred

Ooooo, make me cry.

Drewcifer
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From: Dave Horlick <drh2@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: The Doctor is...
X-Xxdate: Fri, 13 Nov 92 18: 41:05 GMT
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Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:36:23 GMT

It seems inconceivable to me that Gallifrey would not have some device to
prevent a TimeLord from travelling into Gallifreys past at a point not
along that TimeLords personal timeline. Otherwise, evil TimeFolk would
just wreak total havoc. It isn't as though we haven't seen this sort of
mechanism before.

I think it is silly to suggest that the doctor is Omega or Rassilon. How
about this scenario though. Gallifrey is suggested to be in the far
future. What if Rassilon was a Biologist and Physist who fled from Earth
during the solar flares? This would explain why Earth seems to be so
important in Doctor Who. Rassilon could have altered his own and other's
genetic structures, as well as discovered an effective Time Travel
scheme. And of course, it might make a good episode for the doctor to
materialize on board their ship in route to Gallifrey, who no idea that
this person is Rassilon. To protect TimeFolks' existence Rassilon must
have destroyed all the records surrounding Gallifrey's founding.
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
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Subject: Evil and Power of the Daleks novelizations (Was:Re: City of Death)
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:12:03 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

paige@csri.toronto.edu (The Woodsman) writes:

>  Speaking of novelizations, any word on when John Peel's version of Evil
> and Power of the Daleks will be released?

I read recently that the date is not set yet, but they are aiming for spring
(April, I think) 1993.
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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: xx
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 5 Nov 92 02:06:15 EST

I am the Master.  You will obey me.
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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
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Subject: Re: I like Ace, dag-nabbit!
Keywords: Gordon Bennett
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:06:52 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <qD83TB2w164w@kryton.UUCP> ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes:

>jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall) writes:

>> In article <1992Nov8.170523.8504@iscsvax.uni.edu> morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu wri
>> >afterall, it took me awhile to figure out what the hell a Gordon Bennett 
>> >was, and what that phrase meant.  Adric never came off to me as charming, 
>> 
>> I still don't know.  What is it, anyway?
>> 

>Well this came up on both here and soc.culture.british a few months or so ago,
>and the British couldn't seem to agree on where it came from.  It is either
>a euphimism for "God and St. Bennett", or Gorden Bennett was a philanthropist,
>made his money as a newspaper publisher, and they way he through away his money
>"my God!" would be an apt expression to describe it.  So Gorden Bennett then
>refers to that kind of feeling.  Pretty much anywhere where you would use
>"oh my God", or "my God", you can replace with Gorden Bennett.  Appoligies to
>anyone who is offended by the amount of "my God's" in this post.

>Gorden Bennett, I can't believe ANYONE doesn't like Ace!!  :)


>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
>"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
>NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"

Gorden Bennett, I *couldn't* believe anyone does like her!

Drewcifer
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From: mrmuon@next01cville.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: The Doctor is...
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:46:26 GMT

Oh what the Hell,
My theory:
The Doctor is not Rassilon, Omega, or anyone from ancient Gallifrey.
However The Hermit / Cho'Je Rimpoche / K'anpo is in fact "the other". He  
lived out his exeedingly extended life in seclusion in the mountains of  
southern Gallifrey and trained the Doctor into his exceptional skills  
knowing that this would lead him into the life which the Doctor eventually  
leads. The Doctor is thus the chosen successor of the knowledge of ancient  
Gallifrey.
As I say, a theory. (This is badly written 'cause I don't feel like  
fussing)
--
Eli Hawkins : mrmuon@wam.umd.edu
"But just because because people aren't real doesn't mean that you can't  
talk to them."
      - 'the Hermit'  - Timewyrm: Revelation
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From: cfogg@ole.cdac.com (Chad Fogg)
Subject: Small report on Who/7 convention in Telford, UK, Oct 31
Organization: Internet
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:03:03 GMT

I attended the Who's Seven (a joint Dr.Who and Blakes 7 organization in
the UK) convention held at the #60/night Telford Moathouse, in Telford,
about 40 miles west of Birmingham.  Telford has the intention of becoming 
some sort of Silicon Valley, with completely new shoppes, offices, 
houses, etc.---in stark contrast to the rest of the midlands countryside.

Guests:  Gareth Thomas (Blake), Colin Baker (Dr.6), Jacqueline Pearce
(Servalan), Sheelagh Wells (makeup artist for Dr.Who, B7), Peter Tuddenham
(voice of Orac, Slave, Zen), Sheila Tomlinson (Dr.Who, B7 film editor).

I didn't spend much time there, but here are a few noteworthy tidbits:

- Colin Baker and Nicola Byrant (sp?) star in a production called
  "The Stranger" which features an alien traveller (Baker) and sidekick
  (Bryant)  with "an unnamed time machine around the corner."  The
  intention is to start where Colin's Doctor left off, yet at the same
  time not violating the BBC copyright. To date, three episodes have
  been produced. Two are already out on video for #10 each. It was the
  hope of the small production crew to have the third in time for 
  Christmas, though Baker feels it is now unlikely to make it in time.

- UK Gold, a new direct satellite broadcast pay channel, debuted on
  November 1.  Old programs from the ITV and BBC archives will be
  featured, including Dr.Who.  According to Baker, the actor's guild
  is preparing to sue the BBC due to the low royalties UK Gold is paying
  them.

- Pearce strongly dislikes the term "low budget" and has some harsh
  words for the Blakes 7 production effort.  In particular, she
  strongly refered by implication to the out-of-hand ego of Darrow's
  (Avon).  

- It is unlikely that the Dr.Who plays will return.  The production
  failed to return money, and the original financer has gone into
  bankrupcy recently.

all for now.
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: I like Ace, dag-nabbit! Well, some don't.
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:38:20 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov10.211123.5594@cs.mcgill.ca> fnord@cs.mcgill.ca (Andrew KUCHLING) writes:

>In article <1992Nov8.163226.281@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>>You don't care whether or not you can relate to the characters you're
>>watching?  That IS what makes a character interesting!
>>That was the point of having companions in the first place, and for the
>>first time in the series' history they had a kid who was much more realistic
>>in her attitudes and actions than in the past and it worked wonders.

>So to be interested by Silence of the Lambs, I must relate to a serial killer?
>Nonsense!  While being able to relate to a character does make things more
>interesting, it is not a requirement.  Think of the concept of an antihero:
>someone can be interesting while inspiring absolutely no sympathetic
>reaction of "I'm a lot like that."  

>	I don't find Ace the most annoying character in DW, but I'm amazed 
>by this constant lionizing of her, and I actively dislike the focus 
>upon her in the later stories and in the novels.  The major focus must
>always be the Doctor; the development of secondary characters is merely
>trimming.  After all, if I really cared about the state of British teenagers
>I'd be watching documentaries!

>	Andrew Kuchling
>	fnord@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca

Yay!

Drewcifer
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From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller)
Subject: Re: Dates of stories. (was "Daleks taking over Earth" )
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Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:55:00 GMT

In article <BxGDtA.Dpt@newcastle.ac.uk>, G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes) writes...
>   And on that subject of dates future and past, have you ever noticed how
>often they are nice round numbers away from the date of transmission. eg 50,100
>or 200 years. Let the examples begin...
> 
>                               Story     Trans   Difference
>  Dalek Invasion of Earth       2164     1964      +200
> 
> 
> I'll let the masses add some more...


	"Warriors of the Deep" in 1984, took place in 2084.
	"The Tenth Planet" in 1966, took place in 1986 (20 years, probably no
		big deal though)

	There must be others, but that's all I remembered off the top of 
my head.

							Jason Miller
> 
>Gareth
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>\ "You are now entering the Justice Zone. Beyond this point it is impossible   /
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From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Caves of Androzani
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:20:46 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

1-1@tardis.cojones.com (Peter W. Losher) writes:

> Regarding Message : RE: CAVES OF ANDROZANI
> Written By        : doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes)

>> Well, you'd have to figure that even if that were the case, the queen
>> bat wouldn't just have enough milk to fill one small vial. Even if the
>> Doctor was trying to be nice to Peri, he'd fill the vial first. But in
>> all reality, he'd STILL (after filling the vial) see if there was any
>> more milk (which undoubtedly there was), and then drink some himself.

>     . . . But wouldn't he fill the vial, drink it up and then fill it up again
>to give to Peri . . . That would sound more logical, but then in Doctor Who . .
>. "What Is Logical?" . . . 

It's been awhile since I've seen this story, but I do recall the Doctor
making a comment that there was only enough milk for one person, so he
couldn't have drinken some and still had enough left for Peri.

Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
From: 00rrchorzemp@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
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Subject: Re: Dr who anyone?y
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:46:28 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <domalley.721328842@unix1.tcd.ie>, domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley)) writes:
> In <1992Nov7.161803.3073@micom.com> sarah@micom.com (Sarah Menolly/K.J. Montgomery) writes:
> 
>>In article <gate.gsBuTB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> prisoner@infopls.chi.il.us (Pat Mondi) writes:
> 
>>>... Who is the most popular Doctor on television? You are correct!
>>                ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>>Quincy!
> 
> No, no, no...
> It's Doctor Kildare! ;-)

No no no no no!!!!!  Blasphemers!!!!

It is THE DOCTOR!!!
-- 
Time Lady Rebecca
                           
00rrchorzemp@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Doctor is...
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:00:32 GMT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
> The basis of this argument, that the Doctor is Rassilon and/or Omega is
> based on some non-canon but still highly interesting sources, Ben 
> Aaronovitch's novel of "Remembrance of the Daleks" (the best Who novel ever,
> BTW), and Marc Platt's New Adventure "Time's Crucible."
> In each, we see some flashback scenes to the Time of Chaos as Rassilon
> and Omega set about the detonation of the star that gives them the power
> source for the time travel experiments.  
> Also present in these scenes is a mysterious third figure called simply
> "the other," who seems to actually have more authority than Rassilon does
> at one point in "Remembrance" where he forbids something.
> 
<spoilers for Time's Crucible follow>






















Ok not having read Remembrance, I don't know about a mention of the "other",
but in Time's Crucible, it seemed that the Doctor's role in creating his
own history was in convining the Chronauts that the time experiments do work
and that they succeed in becoming Time Lords.  Since on of the Chronauts was
Rassilon's nephew, he convinced Rassilon that he should continue the time 
experiments and not turn to solving the domestic problems that occured after
the death of the Pythia.  Rassilon was about ready to give up the time
experiments at that point until the nephew told him that he knew that it
would work.  Now with the Doctor's little blurbs in Remembrance, such as
"did we have trouble with the prototype", and the mystery of him in
Silver Nemisis, yes it brings in a lot of questions.  Many which would 
probably have been explored further if the show had been allowed to continue.
Who knows now what direction the show may take with a new production company
and a new Doctor.  I guess we will have to just wait and see, and hope that
eventually there will be something to see.


-------------------------------------------------------------------
Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: City of Death
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 06:54:59 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:

- Time to start a totally new thread...
-
- The Douglas Adams season (the one beginning with "Destiny of the Daleks) was
- one of my favorites.  I was hoping that, after the mediocre fifth
- Hitchhiker's book, Adams might be inclined to redeem himself by giving us
- novelizations of "City of Death" and possibly even "Shada".  Does anyone
- know if these have been done, or if plans are being made for them to be
- done?
-
- Drewcifer

  ATTENTION! This is old!! I did introduce this one during the summer.

Old boy Douggie wil NOT at this time does not have ANY intention of novelizing
any of the DW scripts for various and personal reason.  I wonder if old Douggie
reads the net.

  with that out of the way Drewcifer, may we have a private conversation?

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
American (n) - A person resident or born on the Continient of America
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From: retief@iastate.edu (Jim Miller)
Subject: Re: The most annoying war...(The Continuation... ;-)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:30:32 GMT

In <83519@ut-emx.uucp> geurink@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Josh Geurink) writes:

)OK, folks... picture this...

)	It's a future time in two alternate universes; a titanic galactic
)mishap throws each of those universes' most aggressive, hostile races
)against one another.  I think it'd go something like this...

)	Dalek Leader:  SURRENDER AT ONCE.  FAIL TO DO SO AND YOU WILL BE
)			EXTERMINATED!

)	Borg Commander:  Resistance is futile.  You will be assimilated.

)	Legion of Daleks:  EX-TER-MIN-ATE!!!!!

)	Ship o'Borgs:  A-SSIM-IL-ATE!!!!

)	ASSIMILATE!  EXTERMINATE!  ASSIMILATE!  EXTERMINATE!
)	(Zap!  Pow!  Kerfratz!  Ererererererer!  WHEEEeeeeeoooooop!)

)	Q:  I'm getting a headache already! (Waves hand.  Everything
)		disappears.)  Much better.

)	(a blue police box materializes next to the relaxing entity. a
)		funny-looking man and woman wearing animal-skins step out)

)	Doctor:  Hello!  I'm the Doctor!  I say, have you perchance seen
)		a rather nasty race of armored pepper-pots roaming hereabouts?
)		Hmmmm?

)	Q:  Oh, it's another of you bothersome beings from that other 
)		dimension.  (Sighs)  Well, if you must know....

)	(A sparkling light display occurs between the DOCTOR and Q.  When it
)		ends,  three people in funny suits are standing there.)

)	Riker:  Q!  I should have known!  Allright -- where are the Borg?
)		We know they were down here!

)	(WORF spots LEELA and growls menacingly.  He's rather startled when
)		she growls back...)

)	Q:  If you'll let me explain...

)	Doctor:  (to DATA)  Hello!  I'm the Doctor!

        (K-9 rolls outs)

        K-9:  Orders, master, orders!

        DATA:   Fascinating.

        PICARD:  Q! Who are these people and why are they on my
                 bridge?!

        Doctor:  Weeell, we where just in the neighborhood, thought
                 we'd pop in, I'm the Doctor, this is Leela and this
                 is my dog, K-9...

        TROI:  Captian, I feel that these people mean us no harm.

        Doctor:  Or course not!  Now, about these Daleks...

)And so on and so forth.  Whatta mess...

Next! ;-)

)		What a boring night...
)			Josh Geurink, CVE

)email me!  aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu  (ignore the header.  I NEVER use
)this account.)

-- 
Jim Miller <retief@iastate.edu>  IowaStateUniversity.  ComS Jr.
"Wait a minute, you expect me to THINK?!" -Me, during a(ny) test.
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: I like Ace, dag-nabbit!
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:47:51 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> Guess not.
> 
> Well, all I can say is that, judging by these posts, Drewcifer appears
> to be a very accurate, realistic, and convincing portrayal of a
> fifteen-year-old who doesn't know when to shut up.
> 
> Flame off.
> 
> --jon

No wonder he likes Adric so much!   :)

Steven.K.Manfred



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