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From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Blitter 40% slower than Atari Blitter (???)
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:06:52 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:

> The STe was an "amiga killer" wasnt it?  The amiga is a games machine [as
> the atari folk say].  Then why is the STe blitter only good for scrolling
> desktop windows, rather than real game work?

Every new machine Atari makes is instantly labeled as "Amiga killer", 
not that any of them ever have lived up to the name...

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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:26:45 GMT

In <etxansk.717869087@garbod20> etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
> I was thinking of software that was available for both machines. Devpac
>Assembler, the GfA-Basic Interpreter/Compiler etc. Has anybody tested
>this and compared the ST vs the Amiga?

Well, the GfA-Basic Interpreter on the Amiga did busy-wait in the editor.
Straight port from the ST I'd said. This "technique" of course slows
down any other operation (f.e. window moving).

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From: lawsons@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Shannon Lawson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 but NO AUDIO
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:19:59 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

In article <335@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com> hjalmar@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com (Peter Hjalmarsson Sweden) writes:
>
>I just wanted everyone to know that no one here at Commodore Sweden knows this
>person.
>
>[The biggest, most stupid .sig I have seen in a while, deleted]

Well, his information may not be accurate, since I have no way of knowing,
but I found Stefan's .sig rather entertaining!

Lighten up, Pete!

>============================================================\\======
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>Amiga Support Engineer >-----------------------------------   \\//
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From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:24:29 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Sep28.122629.10824@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.045210.9504@disk.uucp> sparks@disk.uucp (John Sparks) writes:

>>There are many PC motherboards that are upgradable, meaning you can
>>go from 386SX all the way to 486DX on the same motherboard.

>WOW!!! Incredible!  Do you mean to say you get to use the old 100ns 16-bit
>ram with no cache on your 386SX motherboard with your new 486DX?

That's exactly right.  Well, maybe not, in that none of these motherboards
existed before the 32-bit processors did.  This is no different than the A2000
or A3000/A4000 [co]processor slot idea.  It's just that we thought of it first.
Just like with the A2000, a full 32-bit processor on such a card should have
RAM and/or cache, though not every "modular" PClone maker leaves enough CPU 
card space to support much of this.

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Date: 1 Oct 1992 05:37:36 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
: would be able to build in a $60 chip-price-increase for under $200 list raise
: which could probably translate QUICKLY to about $100, $125 street increase.

I'd say probably a 300 list price raise, maybe a quick 200-250 street
price raise.  But that would knock them a long way off their current
pricing, wouldn't it?  One of the advantages of the 600 is that it's
dirt cheap.

:It doesn't have to be super-CD-quality to get BETTER. A couple of extra channe
: would be nice, for one thing. Four is pretty good, but somewhat limiting.

Yes, 8 8-bit channels with 6-bit volume levels would have been really
nice.  :)

: And WHERE THE HELL IS THE DSP???? I don't see it! Why has it taken them THIS
: LONG to even announce plans for it? I think there's wayyyy too much navel-
: contemplation going on at Commodore lately...

Honestly, now.  You know C= doesn't announce things ahead of time to
anyone but developers.  And sometimes, not even the commercial
developers get the whole scoop.

:there's no EXPANDABILITY built in there! Sure, you can put in a DSP... someday
: You'll have to sacrifice another of your precious slots for a SCSI card (and
:don't forget, it only has 4 or 3+Video), and you __C A N N O T__, no matter ho
: much you whinge and beg, add more CHIP RAM.

Sure you can.  When the next OS revision offering full RTG is
available, you drop in a new video subsystem.  And then you'll be
compatible with the AGA, the AGAGA, the AGAGAGA (also known as the
Jabbering Baby Chipset...  The silicon is shaped like a giant pacifier...)

Greg

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Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 16:24:31 CET
From: <K3027E6@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject:    AmigaWorld Vienna '92 - Report

From 24. - 27. september '92 was the AmigaWorld '92 in Vienna!
It was the 3rd show since 1990 (when the first had opened it's doors).
It was located in 2 large halls.
OK, what was interesting?
C= showed the 4000 the first time in Europe!
Facts: Most things should be known by all people, here are my impressions:
Kick-ROM, Alice and Lisa are on sockets!
Between Alice and Lisa there is a jumper which let you chose from 2MB Chipmem
or 8 (!) MB Chipmem!! But nobody (really nobody?) knows when it will become
usefull. Maybe with the next chipset this jumper will do it's job!
I tested the 4000 with AIBB 4.58 and it was about 3 - 6 times faster than the
3000. In one case it was slower: it was one of the floating point tests, maybe
the emulation of the complex floatingpoint-operations is responsible for that?
The gfx-speed is GREAT! this is an result from Kick3.0 and the A(G)A chipset.
even on an A3000 the gfx was faster just because of the new OS3.0!
the IDE-HD is not sooo slow! it was a seagate st351, and it made about 840 KB
per sec. The full production machines will include a 120MB Quantum or Maxtor
drive, which will make about 1,3MB per sec! Not so bad!!!
C= made the 2091-SCSI-adapter A4000-compatible, so there is the first way to
add SCSI to the 4000. But this should be just a short-term-solution.
32Bit ZorroIII SCSI-II Adaptors are on their ways! But i don't know which
company will release them, i just know they are coming!

Under the 3.5 inch bay, where the HD-floppy sits, there is another 3.5 inch bay
but i don't think, that another Chinon FB357A (the C= HD-floppy) will fit in
this room, because the bay is too flat! I don't know which kind of drive can be
inserted in this bay, maybe a third party floppy-drive which is slimline-built.

Usefull screenresolutions are:
648*482 DblNTSC 60 Hz
648*566 DblPAL 50 Hz
640*480 Productivity 60 Hz
640*400 Productivity 70 Hz
1280*400 SuperHires 36 Hz
896*632 SuperHires 36 Hz (not as bad as it sounds!!!)

At HiresInterlaced/256 colors the WB was slow! But in all other modes it was
VERY FAST!

The Austrian GVP-distributor B&C had interesting things to offer:
the europe-premiere of the EGS 110/24 and some of the GVP-engineers!
The EGS is real GREAT! A 1280*1024 Workbench looks very nice!
the gfx-power was big! It moved around huge pictures in a bit!
But it seemed that it was not very stable! Sometimes the machine crashed for
no findable reason! But maybe C= brings out a gfx-card standard soon, and then
all that kind of problems should be blown away.

OK, thats it for now!
More tomorrow!

rk :)
rk@gup.uni-linz.ac.at
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:58:36 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <OA92-901-306p1_840FCD1C@piraya.bad.se>, Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren) writes:
> gobs of RAM just to do simple stuff at a decent speed? Why is Windoze NT so
> bl**dy big?
> 
	I've been reading about Windows NT.  It sounds like it will have
	everything AND the kitchen sink.  The average desktop user might
	not need or want all those features.

	IMHO, if it turns out as slow as Windows 3.1 they better wait 
	for the P10 to come out before releasing it.

	The amiga OS is lacking some things but at least is very usable
	as a stand alone system.

	BTW, has anybody used Amigas in a network environment, sharing files
	running apps off of servers, hooking up to VMS, unix etc.? 
	How well do they work?  Just currious.
> 
> 
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:42:16 GMT
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chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:
>>
>>Mouthing off like this without knowing the facts doesn't help your
>>credibility any.  Most 16-bit VGA cards work just fine in 8-bit XT slots.
>>That's right, the extension part of the card edge connector just sort of
>>hangs there, but it works.
>
>*SOME* do, at an incredible speed hit.  If you think SVGA is slow in an AT
>environment, it's practically useless in an XT one.
>

I don't think SVGA is slow at all.  Sure, it couldn't handle full-screen
60fps animation at 1Kx768x8, but it's just great for GUI's and applications,
which is what it's designed to do.  As far as the speed hit in an XT slot,
well, what can you expect?

>
>I also might point out that only standard VGA is usable on an XT.
>

This is incorrect, at least for my Diamond SVGA card.

>
>Exactly the point.  Everyone wants AGA to be put into their 500's and have it
>work just as if it were a 32 bit 4000.  That's foolish.  I don't know of an 8
>bit SCSI-II card for the PC's, yet people want the SCSI-II card to be
>compatible with 2000's.  There isn't a 16 bit XT sound card on the market.
>

Ah.  I see what you're saying.
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From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE! -Reply to Jerry Shekkel
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:33:37 GMT

In article <10667547.230.717905763@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.182632.9432@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
>>Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE! -Reply to Jerry Shekkel
>>Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:26:32 GMT
>>10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG) writes:
>
>>I think you're either confused, or your hearing is seriously different from
>>mine.  On my sound card (PAS-16), FM music is *crystal clear*, clearer than
>>any telephone transmission or radio I've ever heard.  Of course, it doesn't
>>sound like it's being played by real musical instruments, but that's
>>understandable given that it's synthesized and not digitized.
>
>I never said that sound on home computers sounded like the real thing.  It 
>doesn't feel anything like being at a concert hall listening to thunder of 
>the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra in full flight!
>
>>Digitized music *does* sound like it's being played by real musical
>>instruments, but its quality (clarity and richness) depends heavily
>>upon several things, such as frequency and sample resolution.  CD's play 
>>16-bit 44.1KHz stereo music.  MODs utilize only 8-bit samples, and the
>>frequency is what, 22.1KHz?  This is *not* CD quality, even if we ignore the
>>fact that MODs are compressed, sampling only one note per instrument.
>
>Gosh, I can't hear anything higher than 19 kHz, so you and the dogs must be 
>real happy with the high pitched 44kHz screeching :-)  Those Amiga mods 
>being played on the IBM don't suddenly have their samples resampled at 
>16bits!  But most samplers for the Amiga go up to 44kHz (in eight bits 
>though), so it's not that big of a problem.


	For sound reproduction you need twice the hearing range to get quality
sound. Think of it as if you are digitising a picture of a chess board
wich is eight by eight and your screen is also eight by eight. You will not
get all the pixels in the right place. (Very crude example but with a litte
imagination you can get it.) Doubling the resolution both ways will give you
a better and more realistic. In the 8x8 screen a small shift the whole screen
will go grey (Think many colors at 8x8)
	44khz is in terms of sample per second. If you sample a CD source
at 45K you will get pops and cliks because you have just moved that chessboard
a little bit.


	George
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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Date: 5 Oct 1992 12:15:41 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <p-qz#-f@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
>Yes, but would it run on the A1000?  9)

O, who cares.  We don' need no steenkin' ameeega one-thousaans.  :)
 
><Rowan Atkinson voice...>
>...which is a LOT.

:D

>Well, you've got to give them credit. It's hard trying to decide what to do
>with your $3.25 advertising budget when the local "Roadkill Cafe" is having 
>that cool $2.99 lunch special...

But the boys said, "We don' need no steenkin' food.  Come on, Steempy,
let's buy our ad.  And this time, look homely.  Maybe you should play
with your nose goblins..."

>Hmm... never tried that one. Better than a rabbit?  
>(Sorry... old scatological in-joke, dating back a looong time....)

:)  No, not better than a rabbit.  Those Volkswagens really chaff when
you wipe with them.  Not to mention those bumpers scratch BIG time...

>PHEW! The LONGEST middle-of-a-sentence interjection on record! Three cheers 
>for GRB.

Good, I can use three bars with lots of fat alcoholics and a TV spot.  :)

>EWWWW. Didn't I see you at the Garth Brooks concert?   9)

Not if I was conscious.  ;)

>Graphics? Who needs graphics? I sold my monitor a long time ago to pay for my
>new digitizer. I just drew a 640x400 grid on the table, and now I can just 
>sorta "feel" where the pixels are. That's actually why I'm so against the A400
>... if I get one with an 800x600 resolution, I'll need a bigger table!

:D  I gave up on that a long time ago.  I've got a stack of colored
velcro dots, and a black felt panel over my entire wall.  I just throw
dots at the wall, and VOILA!  Instant modern art.  Van Gogh, eat your
heart out.  Cubism will never be the same, and Picasso has been
outdone.  :)

>Don'tcha just hate that?
>(I like Zebraskin better, myself... but to each his own.)

Hmm.  Nope.  If I wore zebraskin, I'd blend in with the sheets, and
that would ruin sex.  I'd get lost, and I'd never find my way out of
the bedroom.  The last thing I need now is an accidental lobotomy from
slipping and falling on a high-speed drill that happened to be plugged
in and sitting under my pillow, waiting for a victim...

>Nice for those harmless college practical jokes.  8)
>(Somehow, pennying a door shut pales in comparison...)

Not to mention screwing up the neighbor's reception.

(Martha, there wint the tee-vee uh-gin....)

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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: A4000
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:08:35 GMT

In <1992Sep29.155711.5473@kas.helios.mn.org> rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.000155.23790@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>=Ahem.. would it be different otherwise ? It may be popular believe that
>=motherboard devices give you a feature without any cost but a SCSI controller
>=on the motherboard will compete for cycles the same as the Zorro-III board.
>=
>	Note that I said BUS cycles, not CPU cycles.

Have some private talk between 2 or more Zorro-boards then ?

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000
Date: 28 Sep 1992 07:43:43 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
:    Dynamix is owned by Sierra. As a matter of fact, I'm doing one of their
:upcoming MS-DOS products right now. <Grin> BTW, Dynamix no longer bothers with
: EGA - all we support now is straight VGA.           

However, if I remember correctly, Sierra itself is still "bothering"
with EGA.  ;)

Greg

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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: 4000: Is it so great?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 06:14:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.184419.12964@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:

[ ]
>>
>>Ian, how many copies of OS/2 will have to be sold before Microsoft
>>realizes how much money they're losing by not entering the game?
>
>We will enter the game. On our own terms with an OS written by a small
>closely knit group studmuffin developers. Not some monstrosity
>coded by a commitee of 400 suit wearing
>dorks fighting inter-departmental turf wars at a company nobody
>trusts. IBMs top heavy 1960s heavy handed management beaurocracy was
>one of the reasons the IBM-MS thing fell apart.

I have no idea of the inside business dealings between IBM and Microsoft,
and I find it incredible that a Micrososft employee would come out with 
this kind of statement. OS/2 ver2.0 has received some very impressive
evaluations where I work, which is a lot more than can be said for DOS (which
Microsoft lucked out on) and Windows. I am no great lover of PC's, but it
will be a blessed day when I haven't got anything from Microsoft left on
my hard drive. It's only a matter of time before OS 2.1 will deliver me
from a company that has yet to produce anything interesting and whose
founder managed to mangle the main intent of Basic.
 
The OS/2 version 2.0 beta testing was extremely open. IBM is changing rapidly,
and at least it doesn't come out with "standards" such as MPC.
>
>The OS war is just beginning. When NeXT STEP enters the race it
>will really get intresting.

Yes, NeXTSTep is indeed interesting and I love it on my NeXT. However, it's
far too expensive for a personal computer. The next standard for PC's will
be coming from IBM, with contributions from Apple. If there's any justice in
the world Microsoft will simply fade away.

>P.S. It wasn't Microsoft that lost BILLIONS of dollars last fiscal year.
>Now who's loosing money? It's not Microsoft that has to GIVE AWAY their
>OS in order to get people to use it.

What a joke. Windows comes bundled with every dog and cat in the world.
I myself have 3 copies, which came free with the computer and various
"multimedia" products.
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu

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From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Subject: Re: Open Letter to Dave Haynie!
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:24:03 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <35530@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>I can understand the CD ROM and tape backup, but nobody needs 6 hard drives.

Hah!
What happens when you need 2terabytes of fast-access storage, mmm?
:)

Never say "never', "nobody"....
:)

Heck, wouldn't you like to have a 2Terabyte VistaPro animation of a
complete tour across the US, through space, and around Mars?

I thought so.

Well, at least that's why I'm buying my 2G drive (someday).

David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.