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From: stumpf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Markus Stumpf)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: IRC Rules: All Newbies listen up !
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:41:13 GMT
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Originator: stumpf@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de


In article <1992Jul22.064451.19894@alf.uib.no>, buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen) writes:
|> Charles Hannum writes:
|> 
|> How can YOU know how we in Europe feel ? You can't. YOU are not present
|> here at the moment. Everything Maex wrote is true.
|> 
|> How is it that most (I'm not saying ALL, just most) American that speak
|> in public is _SO_ proud, and blind, about their country. BUT the same
|> people like to bash on other countries ?
|> 
|> Does Fish (Pink coloured), Appels (with disease), whales and the Atomic Bomb
|> rings any bells ?
|> Nay, I don't think so, YOU are always right, aren't you. Of course you are.
|> You are the inhabitants of The Country Choosen by God, and Protected by God.

*Ssssscccccchhhhhhh*
please calm down!

You both lead my posting to something I haven't said!
I never said anything about Americans in general, but about american IRC
Ops/Admin with what I think is a ego problem!
The flame was about IRC related things!

I too was dissapointed about Bush at the Rio conference! But don't forget,
that newspapers always like to tell about things that are bad in OTHER
countries, with other presidents and not the things that are "not so good"
in their own countries!
I e.g. didn't read anything about "not so good" things the german Chancellor
said in Rio, but I'm sure there are! ;-)

And besides I think this are topics which fit to some other newsgroups better
than this one!

Ciao
	\Maex
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 Markus Stumpf                        Markus.Stumpf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE
From: geurin@flounder.nosc.mil (Chance C. Geurin)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Client for MSDOS?
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:35:41 GMT
Organization: NCCOSC RDT&E (NRaD)

In article <geurin.78.711767294@flounder.nosc.mil> geurin@flounder.nosc.mil (Chance C. Geurin) writes:
>Is there a client program that works through the Clarkson packet drivers (
>over Ethernet) for MSDOS?

I found one!  In case anybody else is interested, it's on:

freebie.engin.umich.edu in /pub/irc/clients/msdos/ircall.zip
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Help with ircII 2.1.5h on a Sun SPARCstation 1+, SunOS 4.1.2 sought
Followup-To: alt.irc
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:01:54 GMT

Anyone know why ircII does not seem to let my typing show up when I do
a join to a group?  I have to mess around with some other commands and
eventually folks start seeing my typing...
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Newsgroups: alt.irc,alt.stupidity,alt.flame
From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (MR. Boy)
Subject: Re: WANTED: USER'S GUIDE TO IRC LOVE
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:07:00 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:16:19 GMT, dogden@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (To be born again first you have to die.) said:

dogden> *I* have a working irc relationship that is great in real
dogden> life..or hopefully will be as soon as we meet in just a couple
dogden> weeks..and don't say we are fooling eachother because we have
dogden> already gotten over all the lying to eachother crap that you
dogden> have to go through..and you know we are determined to make it
dogden> work.. *smirk*


	interviewer:  why do you read alt.irc?
	         me:  comic relief.



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From: masdough@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Dough the Demented)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <avalon.712175185@coombs>, avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) writes...
>oren@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Oren Kastner) writes:
> 
>>        Lesse, here...  Whenever I've been on IRC and did a `/whois avalon' it
>>        seems that he is always around -- but most of the time `/away.'  Thus,
>>        it seems that avalon is on IRC *AS MUCH* as any other Bot, if not
> 
>If you can accurately tell when I am there and arent there, you're
>doing better than most of the IRC populous >:-).
> 
>And, yes, most bots are a waste because they server little or no purpose
>towards the general populous on IRC (as a whole).  If you want something
>to sit in a channel all day, everyday, do it yourself like a true
>irc.addict and stop pretending you're not.

I don't see you serving a general purpose to the IRC community :) And, if you
are going to sit on a channel all day and do nothing.. Why bother taking up an
interactive process when you can just use a bot :)

/whois addicted

For those who give a damn.. I've "started" a bot and it isn't in IRCII.

Relatively "Confused".


P.S.  Insert ":)" wherever you feel like it.
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: A bunch of prejudiced people.
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:37:24 GMT
Organization: Aston University

asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...) writes:
: 
: How sad...how really sad.  I've been reading both sides of
: this 'My country is better than yours' argument and it has all the 
: kick of the 'My computer is better than yours'$ 'My car is better than yours',
: or 'My dad can beat up your dad'.  

: So where do we go from here?  Is any specific part of the US more moronic
: than the others?  What about Europe?  Where do the really insane people
Well there is the .edu domain....
But that might be expected to contain lots on immature users.
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From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: IRC STATS ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:25:06 GMT
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia

In article <1992Jul24.180953.4073@ctr.columbia.edu> dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren) writes:

>It seems to me that the best way to measure a server's usage would be to just
>report it's average number of connections, to both servers and clients.  If
>we want to be fair to hubs, we could say that a server connection is worth
>twice (an arbitrary number ...) as much as a client connection.

But we want to be fairest to hubs that serve leaves that have lots of
users -- remember, the point here is to serve users. I'd suggest
counting the number of users on a server as the first measure, and as
a second, counting all the users on links to the server other than the
biggest number. Report both numbers separately. This will give hubs
that are "serving" parts of the tree with essentially no users a low
number, and hubs that serve parts of the tree with lots of users a very
large number.

The hubs with few secondary users and large amounts of outgoing bytes
are a burden, not a benefit.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: stumpf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Markus Stumpf)
Subject: Re: IRC Rules: All Newbies listen up !
Originator: stumpf@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:34:47 GMT


In article <1992Jul13.072338.7310@nmsu.edu>, spidy@rever (Spidy) writes:

|> the bottom line is..IRC is for FUN...Don't take it TOO seriously or
|> ya might end up with ONE big ULCER...not like I would know...heh..
|> really.. =-)

*THIS IS A FLAME*

YEAH! Really nice! I like it!
There are ppl who discovered IRC a week ago CRY IN CAPS and tell damn
bullshit as if they know what they are talking about!

And they all cry "IRC is an anarchy", "IRC is only for FUN", "IRC has no
rules".
You really don't know anything!

There are a lot of Admins (mostly in Europe), who DON'T /kill for fun,
who have set up rules, who do not abuse their "powers" and who have
IRC users that do not (and have not to) complain about their Ops and Admins!

And there is a small amount of users that don't use IRC for FUN and
chatting, but for information exchange, consulting and coordination!
But this may be beyond the imaginary powers of some of you!

Maybe this is all, cause the biggest contingent of IRC Servers are in the US.
And most of them are only set up for EGO reasons and we could shut down
80% of them and remove 95% of the Ops there!
And maybe it's because most of them think US is the best and US rules the
world and they do not recognize that there are other, which find their
behaviour boring (in the best case) or annoying (in the standard case)!
But maybe it's only because most of them are a little insane and have
psychic problems!

Think of it and consult your psychiater!

Sorry if I made mistakes with my English, but I tried my best!
This is an international newgroup, spread all over the world, not one
distributed only in US and at least I have sometimes problems understanding
all the slang bubbling! I really hope that doesn't mean the authors can't
speak/write better english.

*FLAME OFF*

	\Maex
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:34:42 GMT

frechett@spot.Colorado.EDU (-=Runaway Daemon=-) writes:

[...]
>BTW.. if you were to ask me if we needed NickServ, or NoteServ, I'd say they
>could go away and it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

>	ian

Maybe, but Nickserv does more than 'reserve' nicks.
The best feature I find is doing "whois <nick>" on NickServ and getting
an email address that works more often than user@host from irc.
Why not ask someone for their email address ?  Not everyone is on IRC
24 hours a day and you never know when you might want to email someone.
NoteServ provides its own set of useful features with a certain amount
of security.

avalon
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: RTF[M,S] - Re: Top 50 Killers (12/7/92-19/7/92)
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
	<1992Jul22.063803.19673@alf.uib.no> <CKD.92Jul22110054@loiosh.eff.org>
	<1992Jul23.181920.17926@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>
	<avalon.711947810@sorokin> <14ojdsINNpjk@iraul1.ira.uka.de>
	<avalon.711974199@coombs>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:49:33 GMT

Av> == Darren Reed <avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au> 

 Av> S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes:

>I have heard that some folks are developing version 3 of irc, being
>incompatible with 2.7. Please, at least *consider* writing an RFC
>about it!

 Av> Hahahaha...there hasnt been much said/done about this lately
 Av> although people have been thinking about it (ie a mention was made
 Av> about using multicast IP and just clients).

There's discussion about version 3 of irc going on (well, not *right*
now :) on ircd-three ... mail ircd-three-request@eff.org to be added.

--Helen
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From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Problems with certain people ...
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:10:39 GMT
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia

In article <Bs6KqL.GF9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> StarWatcher@uiuc.edu writes:

>And this person is an op?!

IRC admins and operators are often self-appointed. If they behave in a
fashion that you don't agree with, the only way you're going to change
their behavior is to complain, loudly, with logfiles, to the people
who gave them op, to the people who give them links, and to the people
who control their machines.

In this case it's a matter of "flooding" the network; this is a
concept that any system administrator, whether or not they know
anything about IRC, should see as an abuse and should be willing to
address. The equivalent actions on Usenet or in email would quickly
bring an official response; you should be able to push that point and
get some action.

Whoever got the logs made the important first step -- gathering some
evidence. Now it's time to go do the rest. Any volunteers?
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 20:35:10 GMT
Organization: Nothing worth mentioning...
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

StarWatcher@uiuc.edu was telling me...
>asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...) writes:
>: Channel opping robots do channel ops a lot more than avalon is bound to do
>: /whois's on you.  File spewing robots dump lots more text
>: than avalon is bound to generate.
>
>In that case, I'd say that those bots have a better reason than avalon to
>be on the net.  They are actually doing something.  :-)
>

Personally I think channel opping bots are useless.  What is the point?
Having a robot sit on a channel and only op certain people?  Now
that is what I call elitst.  I've had so many problems$with channel opping
bots in the past.  This is one of the reasons I don't like them.  Let's
give a current exmaple.  #wicca, has a channel opping bot, now$the original
creators of this channel (regular members) Are not even opped by this bot
anymore.  And some new person has taken over the channel and imposed
all these 'rules'  (once again, very elitist) .  I told them the
best solution is to create a new channel.  They will probably do that
but still.  What gives them the right to put a robot on a channel
and have it only op certain people?
Especially when they do vanity ops such as
/mode #channel +ooo sameperson sameperson sameperson

-Alex


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From: wright@rain.cs.odu.edu (GENTLEMAN)
Subject: Re: WANTED: USER'S GUIDE TO IRC LOVE
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:12:43 GMT

In article <BrtMAw.EA8@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve "edified" Franklin) writes:

		   NEVER ask the question "if you're so great, being so smart,
		      incredibly good looking, a sports jock, and piano
		      virtuoso (THOR!), then how come you're on irc 18 hours
		      a day?)

Nice one superBOY.  I owe you one.  :--)


STEVE FOR PRIME MINISTER!!!!!   STEVE FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!

He can make a difference!


THOR
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: IRC Rules: All Newbies listen up !
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:03:35 GMT
Organization: Aston University

mycroft@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Charles Hannum) writes:
: 
: In article <1992Jul21.113447.5421@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>
: stumpf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Markus Stumpf) writes:
: >
: > And maybe it's because most of them think US is the best and US rules
: > the world and [...]
: 
: Fuck off.  Take your national bigotry elsewhere.
: 
: 
: (I agree with most of the other sentiments expressed in the referenced
: article.)

I think you will find that was what you were being asked to do in the first
place.

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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren)
Subject: Re: Useless Bots, Vanity Ops ?
Organization: Doug's House of Disco
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:26:38 GMT
X-Posted-From: dopey.cc.utexas.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <Bs0HoA.27y@acsu.buffalo.edu> masdough@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Dough the Demented) writes:

>For those who give a damn.. I've "started" a bot and it isn't in IRCII.

Hmmm ... I get it ... Perl bots are ok.  IRCII bots must die on sight. (nothing
personal, Mr. Demented Dough ... I'm not saying that you believe this, but
other people have certainly implied it, and you felt the need to defend your
bot against it, so ... )

One can do a lot with IRCII scripts... I'm not referring to lines such as this:

 /on -public "* *DumbBot*dumb*" /say I am NOT dumb, $0 !!!!! ;/kick $C $0
(Way to go Baloo!  It's amazing how many bots do stuff like this ... :)

but to bigger and better things.  IRCII scripts are excellent for doing IRC
related things ... The IRC client may not be the most effecient way of doing
something, CPU cycles-wise, but who really cares?  Even most IRCII script bots
use a tiny fraction of their machine's CPU cycles (memory usage is a bit worse,
though ... here a IRCII client seems to take about 700k of real memory, no
matter what it is doing ...)

An IRCII script's main strength is this:  It's quick to write.  I don't know
Perl, but I imagine that nobody can write a bot in it as fast as somebody can
write a bot in IRCII.  And IRCII can do lots of things ... more than just auto
ops and auto-greets.  Look at ZBot -- I haven't seen him around in a while, but
if I recall correctly, he's written in IRCII scripts ... and he did lots of
nifty things.  My bot, Tubster isn't quite as versitile, but he's getting
better.

But are the bots useful?  I like to think so.  Tubster is a channel server, for
the channel #hottub.  A vanity channel, as called by somebody, I forget who.
My Pet Channel?  Somehow I don't think so.  I have an O-line, but I don't run
a server.  Therefore I am probably called a Vanity Op.  So be it.  I certainly
don't need the O-line to use IRC ... but there are times that it comes in
handy.  When people get in Kill wars and squit off parts of the net ... being
able to reconnect them comes in quite handy.  When people come in to a channel
to harass other people, or when they have their bots doing commands like 
/exec -msg Innocent_Person cat core  to people, /kill comes in handy.  True,
/ignore works, but when these people start changing nicks and user-ids to avoid
the ignores, it gets out of hand.  And /kill doesn't really stop anybody ... it
just slows them down a bit.  But it does show them that you mean business.  I
like to think I'm a responsible vanity op.

True, I could hang out on #twilight_zone, and be an elite.  I probably know
enough about how IRC works to fit in.  It's just that I prefer channels where
people actually talk :)

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From: u2122541@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: What is irc
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:13:55 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

I am a very new user of the network and I am very interesting on it.
I have once heard about irc and people tell me that is a server for 'talk'.
However, after reading the newsgroup alt.irc, I have an opion that irc should
be much more than just 'talk'.  Can anyone tell me what actually irc is and
how can I access to irc?
I am very new to the network and I even don't know much about ftp.
So, please give me detail as possible.

Thanks your help!!!

Laurie
u2122541@csdvax.unsw.edu.au
From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Macintosh IRC Client available
Date: 24 Jul 1992 09:34:48 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Distribution: world
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X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <HROSE.92Jul23133358@rocza.eff.org> hrose@eff.org writes:

>  Utopium> == Utopium Enterprizes <mitchell@seas.smu.edu> 
[problem with text appearing in window not being drawn]
>   Utopium> Technical info: I used a Mac IIsi running System 7. I tested
...
>  I've got a Mac IIfx running 7.0.1 tuned with a Spectrum 8*24/PDQ video
>  card. It also does not work on a Mac IIci running 7.0.1 tuned with the
>  same video card. I thought it might have been my video card. Guess not.
>  :-)
now both are Mac II series... maybe therefore... (if it really occurs
in the *active* window)
Should not be related to the video card as it is a software problem
(as fas as I can tell)

MfG,
        Olaf
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Subject: Re: IRC STATS ?
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:32:29 GMT

dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren) writes:

[...]
>This wouldn't even be terribly difficult to measure, as a bot could be written
>that just does a /lusers <servername> for every server every, say 10 minutes,
>and writes this information to a file, which we then analyze ... Maybe if I
>get bored I'll write such a bot ... (kudos to the ircII writers, for making
>such a versatile little client/language ...)

>Or, I could be wrong ...

That stats bot that thecure used to get all that info was written in perl :)
Its pretty dumb BUT it does get the job done (sort of :).  Its also probably
a lot more efficient than similar in IrcII. *grin*.

av
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