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From: c60c-2mk@web-3g.berkeley.edu ()
Subject: Re: sunspot's resistance
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:33:53 GMT

In article <QfLqR0q00WB7F30AB1@andrew.cmu.edu> Maverick+@CMU.EDU (Chris Holly) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.xbooks: 17-Jan-93 Re: sunspot's
>resistance by @web-1e.berkeley.edu 
>(stuff deleted) 
>    Franklin Richards is termed a mutant because his genetic includes
>aspects not present in Reed or Sue(telepathic abilities, precognition,
>and the ability to mysteriously change ages with writers).  His
>Mutantosity has nothing to do with the fact that his parents have super
>powers, rather it is because they were hit with Cosmic Rays... 
>(more stuff deleted)
>    Second Generation "Marvel Mutants" are curiously often misdefined...
>Scarlet Witch and Quick Silver are both mutants(assuming that thier
>mother wasn't a superfast probability manipulator) because Magneto does
>not have any genes in common with their powers... Syrin however is not a
>mutant(by true scientific Standards) because she inherited her powers
>from her father the Banshee.
	Aha, but we can never be quite sure about that can we?  After all,
when two mutated genes mix, one can never be quite sure of the outcome.
After all, maybe it was some genes which are recessive compared to unmutated
(I'm sure there's some genes left unmutated in mutates like FF and Spidy, or
they won't even look human anymore), but when combined together, the recessive
traits show through.  Therefore, according to all the posts about the difference
between mutates and mutants, the children of mutates -- Franklin, Scarlet Witch,
Quick Silver, Nathan Summers, Rachel Summers, etc. -- should not be be included
as mutants unless further biological tests can be performed.
	And that would be quite stupid for comic books, as I'm sure this post
is to some.

>
>Yes, I am Back let the Rogue Wars Begin
>-The Maverick (Chris Holly)
>
>
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:45:36 EST
From: mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: POSSIBLE PSYLOCKE RESOLUTION

 Um, a good thought but I don't think it will work.  In the recent Excaliburs
  Where Psylocke goes to England to meet with her brother, they do all sorts of
 brother-sister telepathic mind links and stuff like that.  I doubt she could
 have faked her way through that.  Of course maybe she could.
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From: rramirez@husc10.harvard.edu (Robert Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men Intrigue
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:03:09 GMT
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In article <1k5fh6INNkdl@shelley.u.washington.edu> foregone@stein.u.washington.edu (Carl Chavez) writes:
>
>OK....here's my theory of the X-Traitor...
>
>Scott dumps Jean and hooks up with Betsy. This Betsy, a Hand or Mojo fake,
>brainwashes Scott into hating the X-Men. The real Betsy comes back from Japan
>and kills the fake, but this drives Scott insane and he kills off everyone
>with his force beams and his depression/angst (much like when Marvin the
>Paranoid Android kills the Gal-Cop computer by talking to it). The last person
>he kills is Jean Grey, because he wants her to suffer for her repeated
>resurrections. He believes she has been teasing him all his life and he won't
>take it anymore. Gambit survives because he went off to the Savage Land with
>Rogue for some skinny-dipping but Rogue ran off after kissing him because
>she thought she'd absorb his powers. Gambit was immune, though, and chased
>Rogue back to New York State by using his long-forgotten charm power to
>get the pilots of Savage Land Airlines to fly faster. He arrives just in
>time to see Jean killed off (and Bishop babbling insanely from the angst
>attack: Cyclops knew he couldn't shoot Bishop with the eye beams). Gambit
>quickly kills off Cyclops and never tells future-Bishop about Cyclops'
>insanity because of Bishop's hero-worship of Cyclops.
>
>Hmmm...:)
>

All right!  Awesome theory!

All in all, I'm siding with the "Psylocke is the X-traitor" types, especially
the "is that really her" question.  Remember in X-Tinction Agenda, Part 7
(I think it was UX-Men 272), when someone said about Psylocke, "If that's
really her" (although Wolvie vouched for her)?  Interesting... (he says in
his best Wayne Campbell voice)


Peace,

R ^ 3

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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: X-Men Intrigue
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:49:33 GMT

>>it.  Then Psylocke could give Jean the once-over in a TP cat fight, with
>>Jean's last words being "Stay away from my man!" as Betsy's psychic knife
>>drills her cerebrum.  Psylocke may not have TK abilities like Jean, but all
>>she has to do is block Jean's access to them telepathically while she kicks
>>her ass!

Ready to be highly depressed? From "What's New" (a preview mag) for
MArch 16.
X-Men #20 - Tension erupts into a blinding battle between Jean Grey and
Psylocke...and a strange vistor at the X-Man's door will change
Psylocke's life forever.  

All of this means two things. 1. It is probably going to be used a
wretched deice to resolve the Scott-Jean-Betsy thing.
2. Probably more fuel to the fire for the "Betsy is a traitor theory" or
is that really Betsy theory. Whatever. Hopefully it will all be resolved
soon.

_craig

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From: gmf2@quads.uchicago.edu (gary michael feldman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: *THE* lamest thing about the X-books
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:28:39 GMT
Reply-To: gmf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <93021.024045SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET> Tad Simmons <SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>  Another thing that needs explanation is just how much of what _we_ see is
>visible to the comic characters?  The best example of this is Sue Richards.
>For example, I have trouble with Jean's TK producing a visible aura, and I'm
>not sure if they have ever stated whether it really does, or they just paint
>it in to show _the reader_ what is going on.  Anyone with a better memory out
>there?  I would hope there isn't an aura, 'cause this would _really_ limit

I brought this up a about a year ago.  Personally, I think it would
suck if Jean's aura could be seen.......it would kinda nix any
kind of surprise attack.
However, Scott used to always refer to Jean's TK "bubble" as if
he could see it.  I'm waiting to see how they do i on Xmen TAS.

Gary

>the applications of TK...
>
>Of course, someone can always go through and compile the definitive list of
>power signatures!  Complete with the annotated list of coloring mistakes!  ;)
>
>Oh well, enough rambling...
>-Tad
>
From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Nightcrawler, NCCS, and Excalibur #63
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:42:30 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1993Jan25.011838.6233@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> nieboer@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Stinky Wizzleteats) writes:
>Tad Simmons <SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>
>I thought we already settled that Stryfe's eyeblast in X-Song 12 was just
>a manifestation of his TK...as is Cable's glowing eye, which is always
>glowing because it enables him to use his bionic arm (this is why he 
>couldn't move it when Wipeout removed his powers during the X-Tinction Agenda)
>

  The use of his Cyborg Arm is probably related to his TK powers, it was 
  mentioned somewhere that his Mutant Powers involved his Cyborg Parts somehow.
  Therefore the Glowing Eye may involve his TK powers in some manner.

						Jorge
From: cat1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHAD ANDREW TANNER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Nightcrawler, NCCS, and Excalibur #63
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:41:25 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1993Jan24.185735.4025@netcom.com>, jherico@netcom.com (B. Austin Dav
is) writes:
>>      No, Kurt's invisibility meant that he had been infected with the
>>disease. That's why they ended the session so abruptly.
>>
>
>I doubt this very much.  I think Kurt's 'disease' was nothing more than the
>Blond guy in the black outfit pressing a button on his belt to make the alarm
>go off.  Check out the panel where it happens in the book.
>
>--
>    Jherico  ---  jherico@netcom.com  ---  Go stick your head in a pig
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>
I think that it is entirely possible that Kurt has the disease, and I am
wondering if this "disease" is the same one released by Mr. Sinister from the
genetic storage chameber at the end of X-cutioner's song.
-- 
Always..Always remember:
Less is Less. More is More.
More is Better, and Twice as much is Good too.
Not enough is Bad, and too much is never Enough
Exept when it's Just About Right.
                        Tick #9
From: Maverick+@CMU.EDU (Chris Holly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Jami Johnson=Asshole: Letter in UX#298
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:06:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cfLr=JS00WB71307kR
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.xbooks: 20-Jan-93 Re: Jami
Johnson=Asshole: L.. by David R. Henry@plains.No 
> >Truth, Justice and the American Way is for everyone.
>  
> "Why is it that they have to distinguish between Truth, Justice, and THEN the
>  American Way?" --Richard Darwin

Okay Dave.... I actually like this one.

:)

-Mav


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From: djh4535@summa.tamu.edu (HARRIS, DUANE J)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: comic code
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:54 CST
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

simply what is it? 
what is the comic code?

		seth I
From: robear@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jay Michael)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cyclops wearing contact lenses
Date: 22 Jan 1993 00:52:30 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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In article <1993Jan21.052139.25919@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60c-2mk@web-1e.berkeley.edu () writes:
>In article <93019.165438GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>No, Cyclops is immune to his blasts (and so is his bro Havok).  He would not
>>"knock himself for a loop" since all his blasts do is provide force anyway.
--trim--
>>
>>                                                   --Eric

>If I remember correctly, I rarely do nowadays, wayback in the X-Tinction
>Agenda plotlines, Scott and Alex had an all out fight when Havok was
>brainwashed(?) into being a Genosha magistrate.  I seem to remember Alex
>thinking (after he blasted his brother) something along the lines (it's
>so hard when you don't have the book next to you) of "that blast destroyed
>all his cloth, and should have destroyed him utterly, etc. etc..."
>
>I don't remember if Cyke was ever knocked off his feet, but that line
>seem to suggest that there's more to the Summers brothers' power than just
>knocking others around.

Having just read the trade edition, I'm fairly clear on this . . . apparently
Havok decided to scrag the leader as his best strategic option, wherin Cyclops
got completely nailed by surprise.  Cyclops thinks to himself, gee, my clothes
are toast, but I'm fine! (paraphrased;)  At which point he goes about blasting
Havok.  (Cyclops lost his clothing quite a few times this way, if I remember.)
He _did_ get knocked over, but this may have been due to the ground 
disintigrating under his feet.  As to degree, I'm not sure if they're 
completely immune, or if they can feel but not get hurt by eachother's powers.
Relative's immunity always seemed kinda hokey to me, but it makes for 
interesting reading.  Havok's plasma bursts do lots more than just knocking
people around . . . good think cyclop's visor didn't get disintigrated . . .

Robear ("Hey, mister, just because you saved the universe doesn't mean you
can carelessly endanger all our lives with your reckless stunts!"
					-- Cyclops Imitation) 
 
Side note:  Still wondering what exactly Retcon stands for (retroactively
contrived?)  I know it means something like a past detail ignored or
changed without concern for continuity (irk!!!).
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:47:55 EST
From: Tad Simmons <SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Nightcrawler, NCCS, and Excalibur #63

Ok, I had a thought (and: No, the world didn't end).
When Nicholas (and, on page 24, _why_ is his name accentuated, are we supposed
to know him?) is talking about Kurt as a second-generation mutant, he says
"(big red) IF his parents were mutants as well as he...  ...he inherited their
warped gene as well as developing one of his own."  OK, now, Kurt is the only
teleporter I can think of off hand, so what does that leave?  Sticking to walls
and limited invisibility (speaking of which, has this ever been mentioned
before?  I don't recall it...  Is it mentioned in the Marvel Universe?).  Now,
this leads me to believe that we now know the REAL reason Spidey never joined
the FF.  That's right, you heard it here first, Susan Richards and Peter
Parker had an affair!  Don't believe me?  Say Petey is too young?  It doesn't
matter!  It's a Marvel Retcon (tm)!  They can do anything they want!
  Also, I was thinking about how this theory of inherited traits affects the
NCCS discussion.  We've seen Cable doing TK, and Stryfe doing something that
looked like an eye blast (assuming that they are the same person, or clones
or something that would result in identical genes), so, WHAT IS HIS UNIQUE
ABILITY?  Don't say attitude, that's just naturally developed.  Have we ever
seen anything else out of either of them?  As far as I recall, all baby NCCS
ever did was the TK bubble...  Any ideas?  I was thinking some kind of
charisma based thing, but that could just be limited telepathy from Jean's
genes (ouch, I just re-read that...  Honest, it wasn't intentional).  A natural
resistance to the techno-virus, possibly?  It could go a long way to explaining
why Stryfe was so ticked at Scott and Jean.

Well, this should get some discussion going...
(Unless, it has been hashed during the past week that our news-server died...
-Tad
From: foregone@stein.u.washington.edu (Carl Chavez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men Intrigue
Date: 27 Jan 1993 08:01:42 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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OK....here's my theory of the X-Traitor...

Scott dumps Jean and hooks up with Betsy. This Betsy, a Hand or Mojo fake,
brainwashes Scott into hating the X-Men. The real Betsy comes back from Japan
and kills the fake, but this drives Scott insane and he kills off everyone
with his force beams and his depression/angst (much like when Marvin the
Paranoid Android kills the Gal-Cop computer by talking to it). The last person
he kills is Jean Grey, because he wants her to suffer for her repeated
resurrections. He believes she has been teasing him all his life and he won't
take it anymore. Gambit survives because he went off to the Savage Land with
Rogue for some skinny-dipping but Rogue ran off after kissing him because
she thought she'd absorb his powers. Gambit was immune, though, and chased
Rogue back to New York State by using his long-forgotten charm power to
get the pilots of Savage Land Airlines to fly faster. He arrives just in
time to see Jean killed off (and Bishop babbling insanely from the angst
attack: Cyclops knew he couldn't shoot Bishop with the eye beams). Gambit
quickly kills off Cyclops and never tells future-Bishop about Cyclops'
insanity because of Bishop's hero-worship of Cyclops.

Hmmm...:)
From: rramirez@husc10.harvard.edu (Robert Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men Intrigue
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:21:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan27.212114.19885
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Martin Phipps writes:
>
>>
>>Besides, someone like Psylocke is definitely too good to pass
>> up.  
>
>I don't know.  Would this statement still be true if Scott were married
>to Jean?

But see, that's the whole problem!  They're NOT married!  You think that
after all they went through together, they should at least be married by
now!  I mean, why did Scott marry Madeline Pryor in the first place?  Because
she reminded him exactly of Jean!  And Scott even proposed to Jean herself,
but she turned him down!  In light of all this, I wouldn't blame Scott one bit
if he gave Jean up for Psylocke -- he doesn't need any more of this anguish and
frustration!  For one thing, that's _probably_ why he's been such a bonehead!
Don't you agree?  So, GIVE the man a break!  Let him get some BOO-TAY!

By the way, a Psylocke fan club list a-la-Kira sounds like a great idea!
(But, I agree, it is better to submit names by E-mail to Martin Phipps than
to take up unnecessary bandwidth.  I strongly advocate this policy.)


Lethal Weapon

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From: mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael J. Keating)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: POSSIBLE PSYLOCKE RESOLUTION
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:47:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kfNLZ0C00iV283jn5n
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>	Keep in mind, folks that Psylocke is the only logical traitor.  
>Gambit is too obvious. This is the only viable hypothesis.

I think you're making a lot of sense.  Nice theory.  I guess we'll soon
see just how close you are to the truth.

--mike
From: Maverick+@CMU.EDU (Chris Holly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Psylocke
Date: 25 Jan 93 03:51:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QfMz1tC00WAtAiMkhx
	<1jptgdINNs0j@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Responding to my earlier post:

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.xbooks: 22-Jan-93 Re: Psylocke Jay
Michael@ccwf.cc.utex (2632)

> This line of reasonings seems to me to be what I would call . . . stretching
> it a bit.  I'll bet you a bunch that Marvel writers are not going to 
> remember little itty bitty things like this when it comes down to mutant
> detectors finding syrin . . . even if they did do that trick once I'm sure
> it would be retconned later.  I would rather hazard to guess that Marvel
> is thinking more along the lines of 'Mutant Strain', that once your genes
> diverge from homo sapiens, you will always show up as a mutant, regardless
> wether or not the descendants genes change again.  In that sense, they're not
> mutants from their parents, but mutants from humanity.  Therefore, I would
> postulate that children of mutates are then mutants, since they are born 
> with different genes than the rest of humanity.  The real question: if a child
> of a mutant or mutate mutates in such a way that it now has the same genes
> as homo sapiens, what is it?  (Up a creek, prolly).

> Robear

> P.S.  _Still_ wondering what the full form of 'retcon' is.

> P.P.S.  Who the snarf is Richard Darwin???  He seems like he might be a good
> laugh, but the quotes I see are so ridiculously out of context that I can
> barely imagine the situation he's in.  He certainly isn't a one liner comic.


	But if you are correct.... then Spider-man, FF, and the rest of the
super-world would also show up on Mutant detectors, and we know this not
to be true.  Also the Eternals and Inhumans(although the Inhumans give
themselves powers with Terrigen mist post-conception and usually post
natally) would show up as they are by nature Breed Mutants, but they
don't.  
	Speaking of the Inhumans... Luna is the daughter of Crystal(Inhuman)
and Quicksilver(Muntant) and she "mutated" as human, however, as you
say, she could be "retconned" into a mutant easily by saying that her
powers just weren't evident before.  
	I don't know where "retconned" stems from either...
	Richard Darwin?!?!? Noone knows who he is except DHenry and he doesn't
seem ready to tell yet.  Go figure!

-Mav

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From: rramirez@husc10.harvard.edu (Robert Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Uncanny X-Men #298
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:39:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan25.223950.19795
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In an article dated 1993 Jan 26 Grant Jeffrey Barrus writes:
> 
>Sorry, but that wasn't Forge in Uncanny 298--it was Sergeant Corsi, a  
>supporting cast member who's appeared off and on since he was introduced  
>way back in (I think) New Mutants #19--part of the "Demon Bear Saga." Pick  
>up the trade paperback if you don't believe me.
>
>He also appeared in the issue when the Reavers attacked Muir island--long  
>before that Shadow King stuff.

Thanx for the clear-up.  I was misled by the false advertising in the letters
page of #297, stating that Forge was to appear as a guest star.

Peace,

R ^ 3

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