HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Subject: Arabic characters on the Net
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Keywords: Qalam, Alpha, ASCII, ASMO
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
X-Lunar-Date: 4 days, 10 hours, 55 minutes since the new moon
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:56:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.225504.6097@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna) writes...
>Having skimmed through your proposal, and while I am always interested in 
>new ideas on how to transliterate Arabic in Latin, I frankly see little or
>no merit in this so-called "AlphaLeb".  Existing Arabic-Latin-Arabic 
>transliteration schemes, such as Qalam, can accomodate any dialect of 
>Arabic with little or no additions/modification.  
[......]

  I kwould be personnally very interested to know more about Qalam, or any other
practical transliteration scheme. 
  Until I do find a better solution be it transliterated or in native Arabic 
script, I will agree with Ayman Qaysi and use AlephLeb: thanks to Bassem, Elie
and Naji.

:Quoting a previous posting from Naji Maouad, Waleed Muhanna proceeds:
>>The mother tongue of most Lebanese is the Lebanese dialect of Arabic. While
>>there is an alphabet and a standard to write Classical Arabic, there is no
>>alphabet nor standard by which we can write Lebanese Arabic (hereafter
>>"Lebanese").
> 
>Arabic script when augmented with "tashkeel" would probably be more than 
>adequate for your representational purposes and those of Iraqis,
>Syrians, Palestinians, Saudi, Jordanians, Egyptians, and all others who
>speak Arabic,
[...]
> 
>-Waleed

  I have been studying for a while the possibility of using the Arabic character 
set in my correspondence with Arab-speaking Netters.

  The terminals in our labs are for the most part DEC VT2xx/3xx's that support 
down-loadable character sets -that is you can define an additional set of 
characters apart from Latin, say Arabic and use it-. This technical peculiarity
would make it possible to mail, read/write news and generally use the Arabic
character set in its native form with the (our) current hardware, provided the 
right software is driving it.

  At least one other CS major on the Net -marHaba iba@- was interested and 
actually has a similar project in the make. 

  I am now asking the readers of the group that are interested for help in 
studying the possibility of implementing this manipulation of Arabic characters 
in their native form.

  This would include:

   - a study of the different solutions that are already available for other
   character sets, e.g.: Russian, Japanese, Chinese, and -yes, behold- Hebrew.

   - a study of the technical specifications of the terminal or terminal 
   emulator that would allow the display of Arabic characters.

   - modification/writing of an editor to manipulate Arabic characters.

  All of you scl-ers that have been exposed to this problem and its 
technicalities and are interested, I would like to discuss it with you.

  Please, e-mail: I will post back as needed.

  alla ya@tikum al-@aafye

Alex Khalil alex@dt.uh.edu
U. of Houston-Downtown
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 26 Sep 1992 16:46:16 CDT
From: Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Ambassadors' names

Who still remembers the names of the ambassadors to Lebanon from Japan, France,
 England, Italy, Germany etc .....

I am talking about the joke where the name of the ambassador "SOUNDS" right, bu
t it actually means something in lebanese.

Here's an example:  The Russian ambassador is: Niko Balakhoff
                    The German ambassador is : Shlakhto Btakhto
                    The Chinese ambassador is: Shim Tizi Shim
 and it goes on and on ....

Who still remembers the whole list ?


Nasri

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From: medawar@prism.poly.edu (Bassem Medawar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: AlpaLeb V 1.0
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:23:40 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

In article <1992Oct5.142948.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
[...]
>since you are so hot about this new lebanese-latin language, I suggest that 
                                                    ^^^^^^^^
Let's try again:

ALEPHLEB IS NOT A LANGUAGE.  IT IS AN ALPHABET FOR TRANSLITERATING CLASSICAL 
ARABIC AND LEBANESE DIALECTS INTO AN ASCII READABLE FORM.

How many times do we have to repeat that?

>you start your own net; and however would like to read in the latin-lebanese 
>way he can do so.  

I just might, watch me.  na na nana na.

>
>> 
>> Let the market place decide for God's sake.  
>
>what do you mean by the market place ???? 

souk l-khodrah , what did you think?  Seriously, define 
<market place> = <scl readers as a whole>

>
>A. fardoun

bassem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout)
Subject: Re: AlpaLeb V 1.0
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:16:26 GMT

Naji,
I agree, definition of Language vs. Dialect has a major part in politics. Still
we can differentiate between Arabic and English since they are written totally
differently.
I think it is still not deterministic and this is due to the interaction between
people and mixing of their languages (like Ashikman for Echapment, which has
became a Lebaneese word).


rached
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: sbellan@mips2.ma30.bull.com (B. Simon Bellan)
Subject: test 
Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA
Distribution: soc.culture.lebanon
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:42:41



This is a test

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad)
Subject: Why Qalam is not a good proposal.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:20:42 GMT



To those of you who had (kindly :) ) mentioned Qalam, I would like to
point out that I am aware of Qalam. It has a highly non-orthoganal
contruct and a few odd irregularies which makes it not suitable for
our purposes.

Once again I reiterate what I have said in an earlier post: if you are
irked at our proposal that is quiet alright. However this will
certainly not enough to stop us from pressing ahead. Only sensible
argument that goes beyond resentments will be considered.

As far as "who are you to do what you are doing" I will only have to
say that in the good spirit of scientific work it is not who you claim
to be that matters but what you do.

I invite all my fellow Lebanese to put their titles aside and gain
expertise on the ground.

naji.
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From: summer@cs.mcgill.ca (Dania KODEIH)
Subject: Marcel Khalife in Montreal.
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:02:54 GMT


Hello everyone,

  for those who are intrested, Marcel Khalife will be in Salle Wilfred Pelletier
  (Place des Arts, Montreal), on Friday October the 23rd.
  Tickets are available from CEAD at the following number: (514)982-6616, you
  can also get tickets from the mcgill LSS (office 433, William Shartner
  building).
  The prices are $20, $25, $35, $50, $100..
  I thought I might keep you informed, just in case someone in Australia
  felt like coming to Canada just to see him :-)

  P.S: sorry to interrupt the Alphaleb discussion..:-)

Dania.
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Ambassadors' names
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:22:47 GMT
Organization: LC

In article <j1z-cL_@engin.umich.edu> hani@pepper.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep28.050433.2459669@locus.com>, jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>> In article <92270.164616U38065@uicvm.uic.edu> Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>> >Here's an example:  The Russian ambassador is: Niko Balakhoff
>> >                    The German ambassador is : Shlakhto Btakhto
>> >                    The Chinese ambassador is: Shim Tizi Shim
>> 
>> 		     The Soviet Gorby:  Gerrbo w shoof
>> 		     The Qatari :  Kilmabisto Al Tany
>> 		     Naif Hawatmi (PFLP D) : Hatif Hawajbo.
>> 		     Saddam : Bumper
>> 
>> jle
>
>This humor (if it is!) is not only distastefull, redundant and
>boring, but also out of context.  
>If bored try This STANDUP rehersal infront of a mirror for our
>sake:-)
>-Hani

F**K off Hani, and try to be SPORE (as we say in MY COUNTRY Lebanon) next time.

jle
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Christians leave Lebanon under Syrian occupation.
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:10:36 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Subject: PEACE IS DRAINING LEBANON OF ITS POPULATION FASTER THAN WAR

BEIRUT(SEPT. 24) DPA - The end of Lebanon's long civil war has not stopped this
country's population drain, and in fact, the population is dropping faster and
steadier than ever. 
   The once stable population figure of 3.5 million has plummeted to 2.7
million, according to the Arab Development Agency. The past two years witnessed
a systematic and massive emigration of Lebanese Christians to Europe, Canada 
and the United States. 
   The government's Council of Development and Reconstruction reports that the
700,000 people who left Lebanon after the civil war was declared over in 1989
were mostly members of the Christian community, once the most powerful of
Lebanon's 16 religious groups. 
  The council said the massive Christian exodus started after October 13, 1990,
when Syrian ground and air forces conquered the Christian forces under rebel
General Michel Aoun and crushed what for 15 years was termed as the invincible
Christian enclave in the country. 
   The liberal and carefree lifestyle which used to characterize life in the
Christian areas has been greatly restricted due to the presence of
less-permitting Syrian troops there. 
   "Since then, the Christians have been suffering from a bitter feeling of
defeat. Their outlook for the future has grown dim. Their faith in the country
has been dashed under the boots of Syrian soldiers manning checkpoints at every
street junction here," said Kamal abu-Haidar, a resident of Christian East
Beirut. 
   Furthermore, the government stance, as if pro-Syrian Moslems won the civil
war against the Christians, has increased the Christians' bitterness and
disillusionment. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi)
Subject: Israeli air strikes on Hezbollah wound seven people
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 09:25:43 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

[ Article crossposted without permission ]
[ Author was UPI ]
[ Posted on Thu, 1 Oct 92 4:09:35 PDT ]

	TYRE, Lebanon (UPI) -- Israeli helicopters raided positions of the
pro-Iranian Hezbollah in southern Lebanon during the night, wounding a
fundamentalist leader, three guerrillas and three civilians, security
sources said Thursday.
	An Israeli Cobra helicopter fired two rockets at the house of
Hezbollah leader Sheikh Ahmed Hariri in the village of Deir Kanoun Al
Nahr, 10 miles east of the southern port city of Tyre, the sources said.
	Hariri and two civilians were severely wounded and taken to a nearby
hospital, they said, adding that the two-story house was partially
destroyed.
	Lebanese Army troops patrolling the village fired on the raiding
helicopters using anti-aircraft machineguns, the sources said.
	Later, three Israeli helicopters blasted three Hezbollah bases in the
village of Ain Bouswar in the region of Jabal Safi, east of the southern
port city of Sidon.
	Three Hezbollah guerrillas were wounded in the second raid, the
sources said. They added that Israeli artillery simultaneously pounded a
number of Hezbollah bases in Jabal Safi, wounding one person.
	Israel radio quoted a well-informed source as saying that the twin
raids were in retaliation for ``Hezbollah's attempts escalate its
attacks on the (Lebanese-Israeli) border.''
	But Hezbollah Politburo member Hassan Houballah pledged to continue
the armed struggle until Israel pulls out its troops from southern
Lebanon.
	``The war against the Zionist enemy will continue until it withdraws
from the occupied south,'' Houballah told United Press International.
	The latest attack was the 35th Israeli air strike into Lebanon this
year. On August 30, Israeli jets raided Hezbollah bases in the hills of
Jabal Safi and Mlita in Iqlim Al Toffah. No casualties were reported.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on Arabic aphabet news reader
Organization: University of Waterloo
	<1992Oct5.142613.14915@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:19:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.142613.14915@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout) writes:

   Bassem
   It seems that the easiest is to write a program that will read an "Alephleb"
   (sp?) file and draw (?) it on the terminal. You might consider a program that will
   take an "Alephleb" file and output a postscript file of arabic.
   There is still one problem not solved that of being able to write in arabic and
   transforming it to a "Alphaleb" file.


   rached


Hum... it you keep "tashkil" out of the picture for now that should
not be a big problem. But without "tashkil" we can get into some
ambiguities like how do we map "k,t,b". Should it be mapped as
"kataba" or as "kutiba" ?

Hum... context-sensitive stuff is not easy to deal with. I wonder how
other languages (such as Hebrew for instance) deal with this problem ?

naji.
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From: medawar@prism.poly.edu (Bassem Medawar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on Arabic aphabet news reader
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:32:54 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

A quick reply awaiting the public post:

In article <5OCT199221181262@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu> 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil) writes:

>My PC at home is not. I suspect that Elie's and Khaled's personal Macs
>are not either.

The SLIP protocol allows you to connect to a network using a modem.  It is
in common use.  You can connect your PC to network by dialing into a
network that provide such services.  In my school we offer such service.
Commercially, PSI also charge you about $15/month (as of last year) to make
your PC a node, receive news, telnet, ftp, the works all from home using your
phone, or from a public phone with a portable computer/modem.  They may have 
hicked their prices since, I don't know.

>One last thing, you have an immediate solution if you load the IBM Arabic code 
>page using some DOS command and use MS-Kermit setting the orientation to right 
>to left. This supposes that the transmission will let the 8 bit characters go 
>through. Mmm... You still need a keyboard driver to access the upper table and 
>place the right character form.

MS-Kermit let's you write right to left?  Interesting.

>alex

bassem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: Ambassadors' names
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:06:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.112209.28607@ulrik.uio.no> e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
>In article <92270.164616U38065@uicvm.uic.edu> Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu>
>writes:
>>Who still remembers the names of the ambassadors to Lebanon from Japan,
>France,
>> England, Italy, Germany etc .....
>>
>>I am talking about the joke where the name of the ambassador "SOUNDS" right,
>bu
>>t it actually means something in lebanese.
>>
>>Here's an example:  The Russian ambassador is: Niko Balakhoff
>>                    The German ambassador is : Shlakhto Btakhto
>>                    The Chinese ambassador is: Shim Tizi Shim
> 	               The French ambassador: Jean Masakliye
>                   The Spanish ambassador: Dandalero Sandofiik
>
>(sorry for the bad language! ;)  )
>
>> and it goes on and on ....
>>
>>Who still remembers the whole list ?
>>
>>
>>Nasri
>>
>>

I remember one more. The Japanese ambassador: Yama Nikto Yama
(sorry for the bad language).



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From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: American-Lebanese Committee for Bill Clinton
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:25:45 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


An ad was placed today in the Washington Times by the American-Lebanese
Committee for Bill Clinton. The ad is on page A-11 and contains the
letter Governor Clinton sent to the American Lebanese community through
the Council of Lebanese American Organizations (CLAO).

The message was paid by:
American-Lebanese Committee for Bill Clinton
8000 Towers Crescent
Vienna, VA 22182
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Followup
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:00:05 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


For those who need a copy of the previous study, you may call 202-686-4844
leave your name, address or your fax number if it is in the washington 
dc area, and CLAO will send them to you.

Regards, Elie.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: l-ird b-@ayn immo ghazeel!
Organization: UiO
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:08:37 GMT

 

b-Hibbak ya Libneen, ya waTane b-Hibbak, bi-jbeelak, wib-sahlak, bi-shmeelak
wbi-jnuubak b-Hibbak kiif ma kint b-Hibbak.


ana bi-Ktub bil-Libneene, ghayre b-yiktbo bil-franje, w-teenyiin b-yista@mlo
Hruuf @arabiyye.

niHna kilna Libneeniyye, wib-yijma@na Hibna la 'irdna, ille b-@aynna ghazeel!


elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cs123057@cs.brown.edu (Chainsaw)
Subject:  Stupidest HK babes (Re: Hottest HK babes)
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:58:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.205322.1350@wam.umd.edu>, reagan@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Christian deJesus) writes:
|> 
|> I know it's a little late, but here are my choices:
|> 
|> prettiest actressse in hk:
|> 1. Michele Reis (Lee Gah Yun)

How did she get this stupid last name?  I didn't know she's a mix.  She is also far from pretty.

|> 2. Pauline Chan 

Who the hell is Pauline Chan?

|> 3. Yuen Ghit Ying

Can't argue with you about her, she really is beautiful.

|> well, at least they are my fav's at this moment.
|> 
|> WONG JING RULES!!!

I didn't know Wong Jing is a female...

As for my choices for stupidest HK babes.... THERE ARE SIMPLY TOO MANY!!
Okay, the next poll is the bitchiest HK babes.

							Chainsaw
From: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: WEIRD SCIENCE:Re: Acts of love was Re: MADLY IN LOVE WIT
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:39:43 GMT
Reply-To: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University

In private correspondence, I've been assured that the male
posters to this group are just joking in many of their references
to women, and their "otherness".

Then I find this:

In article 23222@pegasus.com, wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng) writes:

> Maybe she likes you but not love you.  It still is no excuse for
> her to treat you cruel.  Maybe it is is Chinese cultural trait, or
> maybe it is a genetic female problem ... .  If she decides to act
> conceited, mean and insensitive, maybe it is her character flaw.

	For those who don't recall, he is discussing a girl who started
ignoring a near-stranger after he blurted out that he loved her.
I had thought that perhaps this woman was put off by having this
person she barely knew, who took a class just to get close to her,
announce that he loved her. That perhaps she was scared of this
obsessive behavior (With all the male stalker loons out there, such
as that "color wolf ?", women have a right to be concerned when near
strangers declare undying love. Morgues and hospitals are filled
with women who resisted that sort of love.).

	But now we know that it is either some intrinsic flaw in
Chinese culture or women as a whole have some great genetic malfunction,
some mangling of the DNA (maybe that part that causes that monthly mess),
that causes them to reject crys of true love just because .... they
don't know the guy or they aren't interested or they don't find him
attractive or interesting or they're scared of him.

	Now that the problems have been identified, we can get the
greatest geneticists and social anthropologists (male, obviously)
to work rectifiying this intolerable situation. I mean if women
are allowed to freely assert who they do or don't like and to
reject people for whatever reason they want, well... they might
start believing they were equally human or  something.

	AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! 

	You might not know it, but this was a great effort not to
turn this into a complete flame. Despite the overflow of
sarcasm above, I will keep trying to break through this
insane preoccupation of males on this group that women are
something other.

	I knew a guy who never dates high-haired girls (hates the
look). I know a women who won't date guys who wear loafers (thinks
they're jerks). People reject people for whatever the hell reason
they want. Nobody in this world has a right to impose on somebody
elses life. Friendship is a gift. You offer it. It is accepted or
rejected. If it is rejected, you don't start jamming it in their
face screaming "Hey I Bought This For You!". You get on with your
life.

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From: eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr H Hui)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: popstar name confirmation request
Date: 26 Sep 92 06:40:33 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

ftran@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Formulated TRANsparency) writes:

>In article <1992Sep24.135617.3834@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Gary.Moh@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Gary Moh) writes:
>> 
>> yes, I'm very positive that lau siu wai's english name is winnie,
>> I heard it myself from a radio station while I was back in hk
>> 
>> [ Gary Moh			]
>> [ gmoh@csnext.colgate.edu	]
>> [ gmoh@colgate.edu		]
>> [ Go 'Gate hockey team!!!	]
>> 
>> --
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>>         Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>>            internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80

>If you still don't believe it, check his First Album and her name is right on the cover.

You can find HER name on the cover of HIS album. Thus, is (s)he a he or
she?

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