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Date:         Fri, 25 Sep 1992 20:34:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: HR 1674

OK.  I'm against any laws on scanners, except maybe when used in crimes
and violations of privacy.  I don't even think that unscramblers should be
illegal (up until now most scrambling has always been elementary and there
have been unscramblers on the market for less than $100.  Now there is
digital scrambling which is much harder to crack.

I've been a shortwaver since 1959, and used scanners since around 1965.  A
lot of my listening has been on the Federal bands (FBI, Secret Service, etc.,
and their security has always been quite lax (again until quite recently).

I have said several times that anyone who listens to cellular phone
conversations will soon want to barf.  There are so many married couples
who really hate each other.  Just try, you'll see what I mean.  The police,
fire, and ambulance calls are interesting to listen to if you want to know
what's goiing on around the neighborhood.  But people who listen to the
police are more often a help to police than a hindrance if they use a
little common sense.

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:05:29 CDT
From:         Sue Clark <SACLARK@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Rush

Hello again,

Everytime I get started on a reply, multitudes of students invaded our
nice, quiet domain.  Time to whip out my 'Buzz Off' sign.

As to Grahm-Rudman...

The concept of GR, i.e. the purpose of it was a good idea.  The problem is
the constant overriding ability of the Congress that appears to me to find
'loopholes' in its desire to spend.  The main problem was the President who
'knuckled under' apparant pressure to a budget that increased $146.3 billion.
His refusal to fight such a budget, and one that Congress easily passed, leads
me to believe that the creation of more taxes is more Democratically inspired.

Ex.

According to the National Taxpayers Union, the title of the 'Biggest Spender'
was beknighted on Senator Al Gore for 2 consecutive years 1990-1991.  And
in 1991, he had an American Conservative Union rating of 14 percent, and a
lifetime ACU voting record of 11 percent (only four point better in voting
ranking and ahead of of the second worst spender, the awful Howard Metzenbaum.)

Ex.

No major tax increases were approved, however, under the urging of Paul Tsongas
both houses did agree to continue for another four years one-half of the
allegedly 'temporary' five-cents-per-gallon gasoline tax that was approved in
1990 and was scheduled to expire in 1995.  So, from 1996-1999 the federal
gasoline tax will be 11.5 cents (rather than 9 cents) per gallon, unless
Congress again goes back on its word.

In 1990, Vermont elected avowed socialist Bernie Sanders ran as an
independent, (that's for all you Perot people out there)  as its sole
representative in the House.  Sanders' presence in the House provides a
unique litmus test for gauging the overall socialist bent of our current
crop of federal legislators.  During his first year, Sanders scored 30
percent on the 'Conservative Index', a voting guide published by the NTA.
Incredibly, 243 of his colleagues scored less than 30 percent.  In the Senate,
42 of the 100 senators scored 30 or less.  The list of the current Congress
was also confirmed by the legislations it approved during the year.

In January 1989, President Bush inherited an economy that was growing at
around 3.8 percent annually.  Through June 1991, the average annual growth
rate since 1990 was less than .03 percent.

And now we need Clinton and a Democratic House???

In case you are interested, in the New York Times OP-ED Wednesday, Sept.
23, 1992 edition, page A19, there is a very interesting article entitled,
'Yes, 128 Clinton Fees and Taxes. Count Them.'  In the NYT, no less.

It is very detailed and very scarey especially from one who with no-holds
bar quotes new taxes to $156 billion so glibbly.

I am angry at Bush for caving in, but scared to death of Clinton 'getting' in.

Sue Clark

If the Bill Clinton and the Democrats in Congress are anything like James
Florio and his wild tax-and-spend polices, God help us all.  The people in
New Jersey didn't like his ideas either.
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From:         "If I Were A President,
              There Would Be 2 States: Sanity and California!"
              <STUSTITH@EKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: "On American Intervention into ...," (#776)

sounds like the old mercantilism in a new form to me... but ... there
anything actually wron with it! The nation will do what it can to susrvive
now... the argument is there are other things we can do to survive...
perhaps a more peaceful method.. but are there really! All the truly
great empires of the world have been dominant in various
areas including military and economic! There is only so much consumption
available in the United States. Also.. many of the advances of technology
came from the military.. or from something that is designed for them!
Do you honestly think these lovely little things we read on weren't
being used by the military in some form 40 years ago! It hadn't advanced
far.. but it existed! This new form of Imperialism or Mercantilism is merely
showing the United States protecting it's investments... an animal
protecting a source of sustenance!

         Stustith@eku
           John Stith
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Subject: Re: Education and money
Date: 28 Sep 92 06:59:00 GMT
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In article <tfilt337143@drew.edu>, macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU> writes:

>
> I thought it was "those who can, do, those who can't, teach, and those
> who can't teach, administrate"
>
I thought it was "those who can, do, those who can't teach, and those
who can't teach, teach teachers."

   -Joe
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:30:00 EDT
From:         Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New Tax Structure

Sue,
I don't think anyone has any very good explanation of why Japanese save
more than we do, except for saying it's a "cultural thing." (As I said,
no very good explanation.) Japanese save more even when interest is
lower.
Yes, you are right that reducing consumption would slow the economy in
the short run. I agree that we probably can't afford to do that now.
Jamie
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From:         Titivillus <T9AA@SDSUMUS.SDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Dave's dilemma

Uh, excuse me, but I can't remember what I posted to make up this
Thomas Jefferson argument and the only thing I remember saying in
that post all this is coming from is "I'll end up bald and with
ulcers." Could someone send my a copy of that post? Thank you.

Dave
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From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Re:Rush

        Sue:  You forgot the part about how Clinton is going to take
"In God We Trust" off of everything it's printed on, and FBI agents will
come around and personally take away everyone's firearms.

                                        Chris Morrison
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:04:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: perot, perot, perot your boat; or,
              i'm voting for chauncey gar

        I would suggest that anyone who has had this experience get in
touch with 1) CNN, and 2) the Democratic campaign.

                                        Chris Morrison
PS I am referring to the 800 non-voting line of Perot's non campaign.

PPS -- I am beginning to lose confidence in Perot's ability to be a non-
governmental political leader, too.  Gawd, you think Willie is slick?
This guy's trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge and people are lining up to
buy.
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 12:36:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Rush

        Somebody on the Clinton list just asked about what Rush was doing
in the Vietnam War and somebody else posted a message saying that he had
a physical disability (some sort of boil).

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:30:16 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: cable bill revisited

>>> And that makes them deserve what is coming to them.
>>
>> Revenge is such a good basis for policy.
>
>Neither is it a good basis for responding to a post.
>
>But who said anything about revenge (except you, of course)?

I wonder what "makes them deserve what is coming to them"
means to KAT?

>It is as simple as that.  If you ask for monopoly, we are
>gonna impose price control.  Since the cable companies are
>not willing to give up the monopoly we will give them the
>price control.

Hint: the cable companies don't have to be willing to give up the
monopoly.  It is an artificial monopoly that will fail without our
continued actions to maintain it.

If the "fix those evil cable company" people are really concerned
about evils of monopolies, why are they creating/maintaining the evil
monopolies in question?  Are they stupid or are they really concerned
about something else, something that they're unwilling to admit to?

>>> Is Andy against price control for water and electrical companies too?
>
>> Yes.  Price controls are cost-shifts, and the people being shifted to
>> move.
>
>OK.  But are you also against monopolies?

I'm against artificial monopolies.  However, if we insist on creating
them, I think they should be given free reign to teach us why we
shouldn't do that.

Creating a monopoly is like giving someone a club and letting them
take swings at you.  KAT thinks that the appropriate response is to
ask them to swing gently and maybe put a pad on the club; I think that
we shouldn't create the situation in the first place.

-andy
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:55:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: media & ross perot (#

Maybe.  Ross Perot is the third man in a three-man race that Bill Clinton
has been winning.  Now with four weeks to go someone is giving us arguments
that would tend to get people on the Left to think about voting for Perot.
Chances are it's a Perot supporter who is trying to get people to vote
for Perot, but it would also be clever for a Bush supporter to try to get
people who would ordinarily vote for Clinton with reservations to instead
vote for Perot and waste their vote.

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:04:53 -0500
From:         MARTIN FOX <FOXML@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Clinton and education (was re: Rush)

>...dropout rates -- Arkansas' rates are declining (they're number 18, I think)

Not to sound to much like Missy here, but is that 18th in lowest dropout rates
or what?

> I *thought* I'd heard that Arkansas does have teacher competency testing..

I think that Clinton got teacher competency training to Arkansas, with resist-
ance from the teacher's unions.  You can decide whether that's good for your-
selves.  I think that it may be.
  Now to answer Missy:  Yes, Arkansas is still lower than a lot of states in
many things.  The point is that it has *improved* significantly under Clinton,
sometimes bucking the National negative trends caused by the Republicans.
Clinton worked with what he had, and made it better -- it's important to look
at relative terms rather than absolute ones.

Be Seeing You,
  Martin
From: z_totahmc@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
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Subject: Help with Congress(I am Desperate)!
Summary: Congress research gone wrong.
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:16:31 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I am currently trying to rewrite my research paper(Secondary Research part)
because I could not apply my tilte The Image of Congress by High School
Govt. Students to my subjects.  I need help in trying to come up with
the right subject heading and then go on to the primary research..
I started off with Defn and terms about the Congress which was the only
good part but know I need two or more subject ideas about Congress
to help me correlate it with my primary research to come.
If anybody has any ideas please send them to:
Z_totahmc@ccsvax.sfasu.edu


					Thank You
				
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:53:00 EST
From:         ZIMMERJ@WABASH.BITNET
Subject:      Re: New Tax Scheme

From: K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

>> What we really need is a flat tax on all income from every source. What we do
>> NOT need is another scheme to control human behavior via the tax code, which
>> this consumption tax seems to be.

>So I suppose you will also tax capital gains at the same flat rate,
>right?

Provided that we're taxing only actualized capital gains as opposed to "paper"
gains, sure.  Under my ideal tax code all income from all sources would be
taxed at an identical rate.

>If you want to be really "fair," you should tax wealth too.

I'm not sure what you mean by "wealth."  If you mean "accumulated savings,"
then no, a tax on wealth is double taxation and is therefore illegitimate (in
my opinion at least).  I get the impression that what you really mean is
"income from wealth," which should certainly be taxed equally to other kinds of
income.

Jason
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:45:56 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bush Vetos Family Leave (II)

>>(infant mortality rate) or are you picking & choosing your stats
>>kinda like being able to show a correlation between the stock market
>> & sunspots?
>
>i think these figures are put out by the UN comparing industrialized
>countries.
>there just a ranking, guess we have to draw our own conclusions.

The only comparison we can draw from those stats is that someone
either can't make an honest argument or doesn't want to.

Rankings can't say how different the ranked numbers are, let alone
whether or not they are significant.  They also can't tell whether or
not the relevant information has been presented.

We've had the infant mortality argument before.  Are all of the
countries using the same defn yet?  (They weren't five years ago.)
Have other relevant factors been accounted for?  (Those of you who
think that pre-natal care consumed is THE factor get to look at
differences between hispanic and black infant mortality stats in the
US.  Those of you who think access is THE factor get to look at the
experience with free care.)

-andy



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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:14:02 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Virtual election comment ...

>but have the N's spoken out on the bEEr issuE?
>where do they stand with respect to vowEls?

  My running mate and I have commented extensively
on the beer issue.  And, we support the vowel movement,
though we really don't want to get caught up in it.

>in the mean time, the E-tickEt offers the amErican pEoplE a hearty toast
>with the traditional friday night bEEr. and this being october, the month
>devoted to octobErfEst, no ticket does it better than E.

  Except, maybe, the candidates that brew their own.

                                        -Tim
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Subject: campaign commercials
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:42:11 GMT
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Since I live in a state of no importance under the electoral college
system, there aren't many commercials airing here for either candidate.
Does anybody have a favorite/least favorite commercial that they have
seen so far. The only bush commercial I have seen was really lame,
hear him talking as someone is typing on a computer screen.

My favorite local commercial is for a spaghetti restarurant with bush
talking about challenging the economy through their low prices and dan
quayle trying to spell words in the background. Also, a bill clinton
voice says "I did try spaghetti works spaghetti but I did not inhale".

fred
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:45:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Perot address.

        Don't say anything I wouldn't say.

                                        Chris.
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From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: FREE-ENERGY Technologies

>Does anybody else get the impresion that the author of this is
>completely hatstand ?

hey dunstan? what does "hatstand" mean?
-linda

>Dunstan
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:23:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Playing Poker

 >        Is anybody on this list old enough to remember Vietnam?  Johnson and

chris,
i'm old enought-dammit

its friday and i can't have my usual friday beer tonight-another dammit.
-linda
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:09:05 CDT
From:         Sue Clark <SACLARK@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Thomas Jefferson & the Civil War

Hello Tim,

Why not run some with it?  Altered history books are not uncommon like,
'If the South Had Won the War', and 'If the Third Reich had Won' are fun
to read.

What would Thomas Jefferson think of the session of the South?

How would the thoughts of any man be that worked to unite a country together,
to watch it try to tear itself apart?  Given what Jefferson had already
experienced to create a country I believe he would certainly would agree
with the warning that Sam Houston gave to Texas about destroying the same.

"You may win southern independence, but I doubt it.  This (Washington) govern-
ment is determined to maintain a united states.  They may not be as fiery as
you because they live in colder climates, but once they start moving, they move
as a mighty juggernaut."

I think Houston saw what Jefferson had already seen.  I have heared that Jeff-
erson suffered from severe headaches during the Revolutionary War because he
questioned many times if what he was doing was right.  I can imagine the
migraines he would have over the secession.

He would agree that slavery needed to be dealt with here and now, once and
for all, since they could not resolve it then.

Everybody have a great weekend,

Sue Clark

'And the elements were so mixed in him that all the world would stand up and
say that this was a man.'
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From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      1-800-Perot
Comments: To: politics <politics@ohstvma.acs.ohio-state.edu>

I was listening to WMAQ/670 (Chicago) on my way in from a furnace
repairman visit and the issue of being able to provide a "no"
vote for Perot came up.  Perot's reply was "Tell them to send me
a letter.  I am a businessman.  That's how people communicate /c me."


P.S.

gore Clinton in '92!

:)

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"The lesser of two evils is still evil." - Winston Churchill

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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:48:00 EDT
From:         DFIELD1@ITHACA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: behind the numbers game

A note about these polls:

I took a mass media research class last semester and one of the tiny bits
of wisdom that my professor passed on to the class was that if a poll has
a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points or higher, it is
not a trustworthy poll.

I don't know about you, but I've yet to see a poll with a margin or error
(whoops! margin OF error) less than 3 percent. I don't put much faith in
these polls, even though they do show my man Clinton leading. After all,
look what happened in Britian this year with their election.......

Just a thought....

Derrick Field
dfield@ithaca
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From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject: RE: read my lips: three million new jobs (just not in this
              country)

        Liese, I like your literary references.  Is Foghorn Leghorn a
candidate in our virtual elections?

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
You areen't the only person hedging your bets on the Pres. elections.
Aleister Cooke has been bending over backwards not to say what he thinks
will happen in Letter from America, although it seems like he is very much
in favor of Bush.
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