HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mre@ukc.ac.uk (Mike)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: What Viedo System in Australia??
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:12:21 GMT
Reply-To: mre@ukc.ac.uk (Mike)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Oct13.173838.24757@cs.su.oz.au> rex@cluster.cs.su.oz (Rex Monty di Bona) writes:
>In article <Bw25or.nG@cosy.sbg.ac.at> wzwei@frosch (Wolfgang Zweimueller) writes:
>| I'd like to send a VHS video tape recorded in Austria to a friend of
>| mine to Australia, but I do not know what kind of television system they
>| use there.  The Problem is that i can not ask the guy directly because it
>| should be birthday present!
>| 
>| Therefore the question is: Can he watch the video which I will record on
>| a VHS system on his TV set?  Ah, our system is PAL.  
>
>The system in use in Australia is PAL too. You should be able to use
>a European video here. I know we can watch a UK video with no problems on
>a standard TV here, so is UK PAL and Austrian PAL the same?

Unfortunately not - Australia uses PAL-B/G while the UK uses PAL-I.  The
principal differences between the two systems are the video bandwidth
(I:5.5MHz, B/G:5.0MHz) and (I think) the sound carrier offset (I:6MHz,
B/G:5.5MHz).  There are also some differences between the vestigial sideband
sizes (1.25 and 0.75MHz for I and B/G respectively).  

These three factors unfortunately mean that RF-coded signals in Australia
will not be correctly handled by UK TVs and VCRs.  However, it will be
possible to use the AV connections to bypass the RF-tuner and thus allow the
equipment to operate.  If you can, get hold of a copy of the service
manual(s) since there may well be a simple modification (change the tuner
can and move a link usually) which will allow off-air signals to be received
correctly.

If anyone is interested in world TV standards, I am in the process of
updating a list giving the standard used in about 300 countries world-wide.
The updating should be completed in the next week or two so if you'd like a
copy, email me.  If the FAQ site would like a copy, let me know who is the
current "guardian of the FAQ" and I'll send a copy along as soon as
possible.  I would rather not post it to the net since it is quite large
(about 50K).


-- 
Michael Ellis,  Darwin College,  The University of Kent,  Canterbury, England.

    ********* Views expressed are my own and in no way represent *********
    *********     the views of any past or present employers.    *********
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Colour shift when dubbing from 8mm to VHS
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:28:45 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <Bvo3At.7t6@comp.vuw.ac.nz> brian@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Brian Boutel) writes:
<
<In article <1992Oct5.045655.15679@bilver.uucp>, bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes:
<|> In article <4198@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
<|> >In article <1992Sep30.235526.17947@javelin.sim.es.com> RSIMISTE@130.187.170.178 (ROGER SIMISTER) writes:
<|> ><In <BvEvt6.H9L@comp.vuw.ac.nz> brian@comp.vuw.ac.nz writes:
<|> ><
<|> 
<|> ><>I make recordings with a Sony 8mm camcorder. Playback from the camcorder to a
<|> ><>monitor is fine. But if I copy from the camcorder onto a VHS tape, and play that
<|> ><>back, the colours have shifted, so that all the blue areas are displaced a few
<|> ><>lines downwards and a similar distance to the left.
<|> 
<|> ><Welcome to the wonderful world of VHS. This is a format that uses
<|> ><a cheap trick called "Color Under".
<|> 
<|> >Oh right, as if 8mm doesn't do color under!  Sorry, but 8mm does the exact
<|> >same thing and uses 743 kHz for the color.  The correct value for VHS is
<|> >629.371 kHz (40Fh).  The 688 number you quoted is for Umatic systems.
<|> 
<|> Hey Mike - that's just a popular press definition of color under.
<|> 
<|> The color is under the place it is supposed to be.
<|> 
<
<Thanks for the help, guys.
<
<I'd still like to know what's happening.
<
<Where is the problem originating? 
<The 8mm camcorder can record and play back to a monitor with no problem.
<Off-air recordings to the VHS deck can be played back with no problem.
<Dubbing from one VHS deck to another works fine.
<The only time anything goes wrong is in dubbing from 8mm to VHS.

I've never seen this effect, so I'm sorry to say that I don't know why
you have a shift problem.  I'd have to be there looking at what you have and
scoping it out.
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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: kdb@raz.csc.ncsu.edu (Kevin D. Bond)
Subject: Service mode for Sony HSR
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:30:58 GMT

Does anyone have information for using the service mode of the Sony HSR?

Is it the same as the XBR, and if so can someone send me the XBR service
mode information?

-kevin
kdb@unx.sas.com
Newsgroups: rec.video.cable-tv
From: kaminl@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
Subject: Cable TV "sting"
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:34:53 GMT


The following is an AP news story, posted without  permission. I figured it 
might be of general interest.

p0661-----
d a AM-BRF--CableSting     10-16 0140
^AM-BRF--Cable Sting,0132<
^To Catch a Thief, Offer a Freebie<
    RACINE, Wis. (AP) _ TV viewers who called a toll-free number
last week to get a free T-shirt instead found themselves in trouble
with the cable company.
    Racine TeleCable had scrambled the Sci Fi Channel signal so the
only viewers who got it were those with illegal decoding equipment,
said system general manager Kevin Anthony.
    TeleCable periodically ran a phone number across the screen for
viewers to call for a free T-shirt. But the number rang in the
company's offices, Anthony said.
    The test nabbed at least six cable pirates, he said. TeleCable
crews disconnected the cheaters or placed ``traps'' to prevent them
from receiving cable channels without paying.
    The cable company will check the homes again and take legal
action if necessary, he said.
    AP-DS-10-16-92 1554EDT<
    AP-DS
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From: cutter@gloster.via.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.video.cable-tv,sci.electronics,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Will this work?
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:08:47 GMT
Organization: Gordian Knot, Gloster,GA

bp@cs.brown.edu (Boris Putanec) writes:

> In article <Bw0Ko7.H5u@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mm@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Ma
> 
>    I've tried the box sold by MCM electronics that is supposed to do just tha
>    Unfortunately the output of my CATV tuner box bleeds over onto cahnnel
>    2 and 4.  I've been looking for cheap banpass filter for channel 3.
> 
> What is the quality of channel 3, the CATV tuner box? I don't really
> care if I lose 2 and 4 on the raw cable feed provided 3 is clean (no
> point in getting HBO, Showtime, etc if the quality of the signal is
> bad).
> 
> Have you noticed any additional noise/interference on the raw cable
> feed?  Do the other channels come in as clear as they do with the CATV
> tuner box?
> 
> And, what is the address/phone number for MCM electronics.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> boris

I think you may be expecting too much from something in that price range.
As the technician for 60+ school video systems, I have discovered that the 
most expensive single piece of equipment I ever buy is a single channel
elimination (notch) filter or bandpass filter. Amplifiers are cheap in 
comparison. A Blonder-Tongue CEF is about a thousand dollars as I recall. 
And a BPFa should be in the same range. And to do this right you would need 
one of each. That's 57db rejection on the notch and 70 db on the bandpass 
meaning 57db for the two. Not what you had in mind.
Adjacent channel interference is a bear, particularly 3 and 4. If you can use 
channel four you will be better off because of the 4MHZ separation between it 
and channel 5. If the device will let you set levels, keep the audio carrier 
down to the minimum necessary - it bleeds over the most; and use only enough rf
to give you decent video. Anything over 6db at the TV input (0dbmv is what 
it's  designed for) is wasted and too much rf input is every bit as bad as too 
little to a TV set. I have seen techs set rf by eye rather than meter and
add rf to an already overloaded system.
If the bleed is coming the other way, i.e. the cable signals overwhelming
your converter; you might try using a vhf hi-lo splitter and just drop
everything below channel six when using the converter. They are as cheap as 
a filter can get, but you are still looking at $25-$60 depending on quality.
BTW, ground well -- that seems to be a very fragile component in thunderstorms.
That would be Blonder-tongue MLHF. the split is dc-108 (ch6 upper end) and
174 to 300 (fmband to upper cable). The separarion is 28db.

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Newsgroups: rec.video.cable-tv,alt.cable-tv.re-regulate
From: bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers)
Subject: Re: New converters...
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics
	<1992Oct6.220518.7360@u.washington.edu> <trussell.718412121@cwis>
	<1992Oct7.004324.13628@smsc.sony.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:41:54 GMT


So, it is my understanding the new cable law will require all
cable systems to switch to the same format.  Does this mean
it will finially be practicle just to build the descrablers 
into the TV and VCR's?  Up until now, no-one in thier right
mind would want this because, there TV and VCR would not be
usable if they move else-where.  I know I hate the current
converter systems, that either requires you by-pass your
VCR channel selecting capabilities, or you don't subscribe
to scrambled channels.

                           Bill
From: cchapman@matd.gatech.edu (Charles H. Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.video.cable-tv
Subject: Re: New converters...
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:48:15 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <BCR.92Oct7104154@hpl3sn02.cern.ch> bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers) writes:
>
>So, it is my understanding the new cable law will require all
>cable systems to switch to the same format.  Does this mean
>it will finially be practicle just to build the descrablers 
>into the TV and VCR's?  Up until now, no-one in thier right
>mind would want this because, there TV and VCR would not be
>usable if they move else-where.  I know I hate the current
>converter systems, that either requires you by-pass your
>VCR channel selecting capabilities, or you don't subscribe
>to scrambled channels.
>

I have just been barely following the cable law discussion so
I don't know all the details but I would be shocked to learn
that the cable bill required all the cable companies to convert
to the same format.  That would be prohibitively expensive for
some cable companies to have to change out all of their boxes
and other equipment.

I'm sure the cable bill says something about levels of service
and signal quality but I doubt if it has anything about scrabmling
formats.

Chuck

Charles H. Chapman  (GTRI/MATD)             (404) 528-7588
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:     ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,ut-ngp}!gatech!matd!cchapman
Internet: cchapman@matd.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.video.cable-tv,alt.cable-tv.re-regulate
From: rxv9839@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: New converters...
Reply-To: rxv9839@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:33:13 GMT

The cable does NOT in any way require cable companies to use the same
or even a compatible scrambling format.  Put another way they are not
required to use the same type of convertor or scrambling.
There is language relative to the better integration of remote capabilities
but it is pretty vague and is not likely to be a top FCC priority, not 
because they don't care, but because they won't have the staff to handle
low priority issues.
Newsgroups: rec.video.cable-tv,sci.electronics,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: saf@netcom.com (Steve A. Feinstein)
Subject: Commercials that have commercials!!!!
Organization: SilverWare Consulting Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:32:09 GMT

I thought that it was bad enough that all the great movies that used
to be on late night TV are now replaced by "Program Length
Commercials".  But I learned to get over it, and watch AMC.  I even
learned to LIKE info-mercials, they are actually sometimes
entertaining.  (No I've never bought anything from them--never will).
So now when I'm flipping through the channels in the middle of the
night and I see a new one that I haven't seen I'll put it on on the
background while reading News.

But what I just saw is abominable.  The info-mercial just broke for a
commercial message.  I simply can't believe it.Is this suypposed to
bring them some kind of credibility?  Do they think that sonce only
"REAL" shows have commercials that people will think that they are
real too?

What's next!!?!!?


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Newsgroups: rec.video.cable-tv
From: elmquist@pez.ssesco.com (Chris Elmquist)
Subject: Re: Will This Work? (a different approach)
Organization: SSESCO
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:42:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.085500.27593@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) writes:
>In article <4271@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct14.185737.7051@wdl.loral.com> rst@spl1.spl.loral.com (Ray Tom) writes:
>><
>><                   ------------------------
>><                  |                        |
>><CATV from  -------*                        *----- to TV or VCR
>><Street            |      ------------      |
>><                   -----| CATV tuner |----- 
>><                        | box        | Ch 3
>><                         ------------
>><
>><* = Two port splitter/combiner
>><
>><How about this configuration???  If I am willing to accept the fact
>><that the channel 3 output from the CATV tuner box will bleed over to
>><channels 2 & 4.  Can't I just use the CATV tuner box for channels 2 & 4,
>><and the premium channels???  Will this work or am I just blowing smoke???
>>
>>Blowing smoke.  You are forgetting that  the CATV channel 3 will be placed
>>right on top of cable channel 3.  Definately will not work.
>
>How about putting a Ch. 3 notch filter on the "thru" side, thus forcing you
>to use the cable box for channels 2-4, but otherwise leaving things clear?
>(Just a notion...)
Hey! That was my notion !  :-)  Looks like we've gone full circle here...

Chris


Chris Elmquist, N0JCF
elmquist@SSESCO.com
73267.2711@Compuserve.com
(612)342-0003@work (8am-5pm CST6CDT)
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From: prmiskel@apgea.army.mil (Patricia R. Miskelly <prmiskel>)
Newsgroups: rec.video.cable-tv,alt.cable-tv.re-regulate
Subject: Re: 74 to 25 in overtime
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:36:38 GMT
Organization: APG-Edgewood

In article <1992Oct06.033957.4367@pdnfido.fidonet.org> bill@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Bill Lanides) writes:
>
>Clinton/Gore scares me to death with their ideas that the government can
>control the economy.  I'm afraid this country is about to go to hell.
>Maybe I'm being a little too dramatic but it truely is scary.
>
>Anyway, I don't want this to be a political argument.  I want to know if
>
>     -Bill Lanides

But you have just made a political statement.  Why should you be allowed to
spew forth anti-Clinton/Gore venom and not be answered?

FYI, the economy has been and is being controlled by the government.
The "Fed" has much power in this regard.

I hope that, when you read the cable bill, you will discover that it
*encourages* competition.  Happy reading!

Pat Miskelly

-- 
Pat Miskelly
pmiskel@dan.apgea.army.mil
From: daveje@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Dave Jerzycki)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:52:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Max number of channels on cable?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.video.cable-tv



 How does this discussion on capacity apply to the wireless cable services?
 We subscribe to a company called TVCN out of Denver.
 They have a receiver mounted on a mountain near Boulder. If you are
 within line of site to their dish, you can get a pretty good signal.
 We have a small microwave antennae mounted on our roof. All in all the service
 and picture quality is pretty good.

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From: mm@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike MacKenzie)
Newsgroups: rec.video.cable-tv,sci.electronics,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Will this work?
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:07:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <BvvIpE.9t5@ssesco.com> elmquist@pez.ssesco.com (Chris Elmquist) writes:
>I'd like to build this filter/combiner circuit to eliminate A/B switching
>ahead of a cable ready TV...
>
>                         ------------
>                   -----| ch 3 notch |------
>                  |     | filter     |      |
>CATV from  -------*      ------------       *----- to TV or VCR
>street            |                         |
>                  |      ------------       |
>                   -----| CATV tuner |------ 
>                        | box        |
>                         ------------
>
> *= two port splitter/combiner
>

I've tried the box sold by MCM electronics that is supposed to do just that.
Unfortunately the output of my CATV tuner box bleeds over onto cahnnel
2 and 4.  I've been looking for cheap banpass filter for channel 3.


Michael MacKenzie	(Purdue University Unix Group)
mm@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: rec.video.cable-tv,alt.cable-tv.re-regulate
From: bp@cs.brown.edu (Boris Putanec)
Subject: Re: Will this work?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Brown University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:13:53 GMT

In article <Bw0Ko7.H5u@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mm@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike MacKenzie) writes:

   I've tried the box sold by MCM electronics that is supposed to do just that.
   Unfortunately the output of my CATV tuner box bleeds over onto cahnnel
   2 and 4.  I've been looking for cheap banpass filter for channel 3.

What is the quality of channel 3, the CATV tuner box? I don't really
care if I lose 2 and 4 on the raw cable feed provided 3 is clean (no
point in getting HBO, Showtime, etc if the quality of the signal is
bad).

Have you noticed any additional noise/interference on the raw cable
feed?  Do the other channels come in as clear as they do with the CATV
tuner box?

And, what is the address/phone number for MCM electronics.

Thanks

boris
From: elmquist@pez.ssesco.com (Chris Elmquist)
Newsgroups: rec.video.cable-tv
Subject: Re: Will this work?
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:05:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SSESCO

In article <1992Oct12.081727.17581@proponent.com> Monty Solomon <roscom!monty@think.com> writes:
>In article <21111@plains.NoDak.edu> csmith@plains.NoDak.edu (Carl Smith)  
>writes:
>
>I have used these in the past.  They work quite well only if channel 3 is  
>unused on the cable input.
So, the band-reject of channel 3 isn't good enough...

How much attenuation do you think we need to kill channel 3 completely ?

>
>A Channel Plus modulator will probably do what you want.  Their hyperband model  
>modulates on any cable channel between 37 and 64.
I have seen these advertised...  but no details are ever given about whether
they modulate in MTS stereo (or not)... or if the input is baseband A/V or
RF on channel 2 or 3.  Since they call it a "modulator", I have assumed it's
baseband A/V and for cost reasons, that it doesn't do MTS stereo.

Is there a different story ?


Chris Elmquist, N0JCF
elmquist@SSESCO.com
73267.2711@Compuserve.com
(612)342-0003@work (8am-5pm CST6CDT)
Newsgroups: rec.video.cable-tv
From: rst@spl1.spl.loral.com (Raymond Tom)
Subject: Re: Will this work?
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:49:08 GMT

In article <Bvw03y.KsK.2@cs.cmu.edu>, rwb@alexander.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Berger) writes:
|> In article <BvvIpE.9t5@ssesco.com> elmquist@pez.ssesco.com (Chris  
|> Elmquist) writes:
|> > 
|> > I am wondering if the output of the tuner box is much wider (in  
|> frequency)
|> > than just channel 3... 
|> 
|> Probably. If they remodulate to get channel 3 they probably use a
|> cheap DSB modulator that also puts energy in channel 2.
|> 
|> There is an off the shelf solution called "Signal Combiner SC 1". It
|> takes a channel 3 or 4 source and mixes it with another vhf signal
|> containing the other channels.
|> 
|> It has a bandpass filter in the channel 3/4 input, and a band reject
|> filter in the other input.
|> 
|> It is availabe from Skyvision for $19.95. You need to specify channel 3
|> or 4 when ordering.
|> 
|> Their number is 800-543-3025.

Has anyone tried the "Signal Combiner SC 1" from Skyvision???  Does the 
channel 3 signal spill over to channels 2 and 4???

Ray
rst@spl1.spl.loral.com
Newsgroups: rec.video.cable-tv,misc.consumers,alt.cable-tv.re-regulate
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Cable TV Consumer Protection Act of 1992
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:01:32 GMT

jack@myamiga.mixcom.com (Jack Decker) writes:
: 
: There are at least a few hypocritical liberals who read this newsgroup,
: apparently (I'm not referring to you).   As for the Bible, I only expect those
: who consider themselves Christians to accept it as the truth.  The problem is
: that liberals often do everything in their power to keep people from even being
: exposed to Christianity or Christian principles (even to the point of trying to
: have nativity scenes removed from public parks... again, more censorship by
: liberals) and many people now have never even heard a true gospel message (not
: to be confused with what comes over the airwaves from some "TV evangelists"!).
: It's only to be expected that as the percentage of believers decreases, the
: reliance on the Bible as a standard for morality will also decrease.

Jack, I think this shows up your problem. One, you appear to equate "liberal"
with "non-Christian".  Maybe you should change this to "non-Christian-as-
determined-by-Jack-Decker".  For your information, there are many Christians
who do not believe the Bible to be literal truth. They feel it is a mixture
of history, myth and parable. They do not believe it is the devine inspired
word of God. So, please do not tell me what I am to believe about the Bible.
I find your attitude as abhorant as that of those that tell me God cannot
exist.

I personally do not like nativity scenes on public areas. I have no objection
to them being placed on private property. I have helped set up such displays
myself. However, I happen to be a firm believer in separation of church and
state. That means keeping all religions separate - both your version of
Christianity and mine. That is not censorship - that is prohibiting you or
me forcing our religion on others through the offices of the government. I
hope you can understand the difference. If not, then you might as well quit
posting here, as you will never understand the position I hold - much less
that of those who are anti-Christian.

Bill