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From: hnaty@ilx024 (Hoffman Naty)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: _Necronomicon_ not inspired by _King in Yellow_
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:29:24 GMT
Organization: Intel
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Well... you're actually asking how many more Lovecraft fans read the
"Call of Cthulhu" rulebooks than the serious criticism published.

I'de have to admit that I'd read neither of the books you mentioned, and I
have read Call of Cthulhu.

But... I'd love to get my hands on them! They just aren't very easy to find.

Re Lovecraft - does anyone know if/where it is possible to find the "notes by
Lovecraft" on which Derleth claims he based his horrible pastiches?

Naty Hoffman
hnaty@iil.intel.com
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: horror anthologies
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:22:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul24.085009.1779@bvc.edu> frantz@bvc.edu writes:
>development and subtle horror.  If anyone out there knows of a good 
>anthology of this sort, OR if you know of another along these lines that 
>McCauley has edited, could you let me know?  Thanks.

Try Ramsey Campbell's "Dark Companions". Do you like werewolf or vampire
stories or both? Try "The Ultimate Werewolf" and "The Ultimate Dracula". There
is also "The Ultimate Frankenstein", which you may be interested in. I forget
who the editor of these is right now, but I can get back to you. There are
many other such collections (though you won't always find one that completely
avoids gore) that I don't recall the names of right now. Try some of the
above: I think you might like them. I collect anthologies as well so I can get
back to you on that too if you want! Enjoy!
				Laurel 
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From: waiw@CS.Stanford.EDU (Wai Kit Wong)
Subject: Re: Koontz (was:  Anyone but Stephen King)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:24:36 GMT


In article <1992Jul24.175142.26385@lclark.edu>, you write:
|> In article <1992Jul24.082502.1777@bvc.edu> frantz@bvc.edu writes:
|> >
|> >I haven't picked up a Koontz novel in awhile just because I got a little 
|> >tired of the formula I felt like he relied on too much.  Inevitably there's 
|> >a lonely man and a young, lovely woman whose paths cross because of bizarre 
|> >circumstances.  They battle the "bizarre circumstances" and, incredibly, 
|> >come out of it alive, unscathed, and live happily ever after.  I think the 
|> >last one I read was the one about the subliminal messaging/mind control 
|> >thing.  If there's anyone out there who can recommend one of Koontz's books 
|> >that doesn't have this pattern, I'd sure welcome it.  I think his premises 
|> >are generally quite interesting, but I wish he'd get away from the 
|> >cardboard cutout characters.
|> >
|> >Andrea @ BVC
|> 
|> I hate the formulas, but for some strange reason, I still really enjoy the
|> stories.  Anyway, if you want to find some Koontz books that don't follow
|> his formula, you'll have to go way back.  In his EARLY books, he didn't
|> even come close to having any kind of formula.  Of course these are mainly
|> science fiction books, although I have run across a horror book or two. 
|> And some of them are actually really good.  Of course it's hard to find
|> books that are about 15 or 20 years old like this, but so far my
|> collection is up to about 40 stories (one book is a collection of about 8
|> stories.  So somewhere around 30 books)
|> 
|> -- 
|> =============================================================================
|> Mark Harrison           |  "We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
|> harrison@sun.lclark.edu |   Our great computers fill the hallowed halls."
|>               -- Me     |                                    -- Rush


	I agree. Koontz's plot is a bit predictable, but the way he writes it
makes the story interesting and the pace is real fast. I think his books are
page-turners. The last book I read was _House of Thunder_. This book has
a little less love element in it (though there still is), and I think
Koontz emphasized on the plot of this book. I could not figure out what
was happening to the main character until the last 70 or so pages. Quite 
unlike Koontz ususal style, but nonetheless a good book.

	Mark, what are the names of the early books of Koontz you have? 
I would like to know in particular the name of the story collection....

	Anyone has anyone comment on V.C. Andrews?? I didn't see any discussion
of him in the newsgroup so far, and I want to know more about him and his books.

	
						Ken..



Keywords:
From: glitto@iastate.edu (Scott M Klabacha)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: SK's Dark Tower series
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:08:06 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan) writes:
> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>>       Regarding the Overlook in the Stand, it was just speculation, but I
>>think that impression first came to me because of a statement that Stu Redman
>>felt uneasy in the otherwise harmless hotel.  Also the geographical location
>>seemed to fit (atop a mountain).  I remember Stu being eager to leave the
>>place a.s.a.p.  It's been a while since I've read the Stand and this is all
>>speculation, so no flames please.  If I am incorrect, I would appreciate it
>>if someone gave us the info I'm referring to (if it exists and isn't just my
>>imagination).
>
>The Overlook... this is the hotel where Jason (I forgot his earthly name)
>and his mother were staying when he left, right? Or is it the place where
>Jason went to find the Talisman? Either way, it was on a beach, one on
>the Atlantic and the other was on the Pacific. The hotel where Stu stayed
>was somewhere in the Rockies, wasn't it? Because he didn't have to go
>all the way to the coast to find Flagg.
>>

   The Overlook was the Colorado hotel which is (for the most part) the setting of
_The Shining_.
   The hotel where Jason/(was Jack his earthly name?) was in at the beginning of
_The Talisman_ was on the Atlantic and was called the Alhambra. I don't remember
the name of the California hotel (actually, I don't remember it having a name),
but it wuzn't the Overlook.
   IMHO, I thought the hotel which Stu and Tom Cullen stayed in was the Overlook,
as well.

***GlittoFern*** glito@iastate.edu
"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture." --Elvis Costello
From: davidc@quark.ansto.gov.au (David Carroll)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Gerard's Game
Keywords: King, females
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:46:24 GMT
Organization: Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation

In article <22490@oasys.dt.navy.mil> obusek@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brenda Obusek) wr
ites:
>In alt.horror, kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin Roberts) writes:
>>        Hmmmm... I actually never thought of this book possibly being more
>>successful with woman... Dunderheaded of me, true. I just honestly never got
>>to like the woman and never much cared about anything that happened to her.
>>
>On the subject of Gerald's Game's appeal to women ...
>
>My personal opinion is that every woman in any King novel has been severely
>underdeveloped and stereotypical. I can't recall any woman from any
>of his books having any kind of career or interest of her own, only
>things that centered around "her man." I'm no flaming feminist or anything,
>but if you really think about this point, I think you'll find it's true.
>Jessie in Gerald's Game is no exception. Her entire life had been centered
>around her husband.
>

One of the things that is bugging me about 'DT III: Waste Lands' (I'm a little
over half way through) is that Suzannah seems to be getting a rather raw deal.
She apparently only exists to be Eddie's love interest and (perhaps) to
get pregnant for the group. The worst example of this is when she had to
fuck the demon and there was no follow-up about what she felt about it, or
even what Eddie thought of 'his lady' being put through what had to be an
extremely traumatic experience. And in what is already a fairly slow and,
in some cases, repetive book (how many times are will going to be told that
Eddie reminds Roland of Cort) you can't say he doesn't have the opportunity
to explore the problem. At least the bit since they reached the bridge has
been more than worth reading (and, IMHO, DT II was one of King's best works).

     With the exception of Carrie (and perhaps Firestarter) King has
always been a male-orientated writer, probably because writing seems to be
a very personal thing for him (ditto why he has so many writers in his books).
I don't mind this bias, but if he does have female characters, I wish he'd
at least expend some effort.

Can't comment about Gerard's Game, it hasn't appeared in our bookshops yet,
that I've seen anyway.

                           ^o^


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From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Slugs etc.
Keywords: Stephen King
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:58:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Stephen King is not a keyword in this posting, but I think I want to leave it
there being that I am his number one fan and all! Has anyone else read Shaun
Hutson's books. The first book of his that I read was called "Breeding Ground"
(a sequel to a book called "Slugs" which it took me forever to find!).
"Breeding Ground" and "Slugs" are both disgustingly descriptive which I find
highly entertaining! When I finally found "Slugs" and read it, (I borrowed it
through the library where I work) I just had to buy it. So I found the
publisher and ordered everything written by Shaun Hutson. I have read another
of his works since (it's called "Spawn"), but was not as impressed with it as
I was with "Slugs" and "Breeding Ground". I still have more to read, though so
maybe they are better! If anyone is interested, I can give you the publisher's
address. Later!
			Laurel
____________________________________________________________________________
Laurel A. Povazan			       	"I am Count Dracula;
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu			 I bid you welcome."
						    -Count Dracula in
						     "Dracula"	  
					
						"There is nothing there
						 in the dark that isn't
						 there in the light---
						 except fear."
						     -Advertising line 
						      for "Cape Fear"
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From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: speaking of King's "Skeleton Crew..."
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:52:14 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Jul21.142640.21532@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes:
>
>...there's an antique shop that just opened up down the street
>from my apartment, and in the window is a toy monkey that looks
>EXACTLY like the one on the cover of "S.C.!" 
>
>I have to walk past the thing every morning on my way to work...
>it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up!
>
>One of these days I betcha it starts clanging its cymbols
>as I walk past it...  <shudder>
>
>-- 
>          aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu (Dan Doooooooovall)

	Hmm..  Is the store called "Needful Things" perhaps, Leland Gaunt
proprietor?  :)

						Raythrax
From: z_mccullocca@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: VC Andrews
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:11:57 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

VC Andrews books

I really enjoy her books even thought you get use to the plot 

I enjoy the Flowers in the Attic series

VC Andrews book I am able to read very fast but only once a year a new book
comes out.

I have read all her books and enjoyed ever word.


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From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell)
Subject: Re: Koontz (was:  Anyone but Stephen King)
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 16:17:16 EDT

In article <1992Jul24.192436.13382@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> waiw@CS.Stanford.EDU (Wai Kit Wong) writes:

>
>	Anyone has anyone comment on V.C. Andrews?? I didn't see any discussion
>of him in the newsgroup so far, and I want to know more about him and his books.

       For one, V.C. Andrews is a woman.
       For two, she's also quite dead.

       The last two books put out under her name were actually written
       by "hired gun" writers brought in by Andrews family to keep
       the stories (and the profits) going. 

       I never liked the books much, myself. Too soap opera-y.

       Darin Powell
       Syracuse University

       "Smiles. Bruises
	Smiles. Bruises"

	-- Faith No More
From: pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: speaking of King's "Skeleton Crew..."
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:24:56 GMT
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

In article <1992Jul21.142640.21532@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes:

   ...there's an antique shop that just opened up down the street
   from my apartment, and in the window is a toy monkey that looks
   EXACTLY like the one on the cover of "S.C.!" 

   I have to walk past the thing every morning on my way to work...
   it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up!

   One of these days I betcha it starts clanging its cymbols
   as I walk past it...  <shudder>

How can you resist buying it, motorizing it, and putting a motion
sensor on it?

-Joe.
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From: sherman@wizard.etsu.edu (Bob Sherman)
Subject: Re: Favorite and Worst Horror Flicks
Reply-To: frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier) 
Organization: East Texas State University, Commerce, TX
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:21:00 GMT

How could you not like Something Wicked This Way Comes???!!!! This IMHO is
one of my favorite Horror movies. I try to never miss it when it is on 
tv. 


Jeff Frazier

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From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell)
Subject: Re: horror anthologies
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 16:28:57 EDT


    Frantz writes:

>>I am interested in locating any compilations of short works by various 
>>horror writers along the same vein as Dark Forces, which was edited by 
>>Kirby McCauley.  In Dark Forces, McCauley brought in everyone from Stephen 
>>King (The Mist) to Dennis Etchison (The Late Shift) to Ted Sturgeon (
>>Vengence Is--I think) and Joyce Carol Oates (the Bingo Master).  I'm 
>>interested in finding another anthology along these lines.  Nothing with 
>>excessive gore, rather, something that plays on tension, character 
>>development and subtle horror...
>

    Mark Henderson replies:

>The following are very high quality anthologies of this type of horror:
>
>Shadows (10 volumes) - Grant (ed)
>Whispers (6 volumes)  - Schiff (ed)
>
>All of these are available in paperback and aren't too hard to find in
>used bookstores.


	Grant's stuff is really, really good if your more interested
	in subtle horror (what Grant calls "quiet horror" or 
	"shadowpunk") as opposed to gore-splattered stuff. All of
	the Shadows anthologies are good, and you might want to
	check out Grant's stuff as well, like _Hour of the Oxrun Dead_
	and _The Pet_. That's Charles Grant, by the way.

	Another good anthology in this vein is _Post Mortem_, edited by
	David Silva (former editor of "The Horror Show" magazine) and
	Paul F. Olson.  All the stories are about ghosts.  One of my
	favorites is "Each Night, Each Year" by Kathryn Ptacek, who,
	incidentally, is Charles Grant's wife. Also good stories by
	Thomas F. Monteleone, Chalres De Lint, William F. Nolan, etc.

	Monteleone's anthology _Borderlands_ has some subtle stories
	in it, albeit mixed in with more gruesome fare. But T.E.D.
	Klein's story "Ladder", in the first _Borderlands_, is worth
	the price of the book, in my opinion. I was speechless after
	I read it. I kept saying, "Damn! how did he do that?" 
	He did it because he's T.E.D. Klein, and he can.

	By the way, _Bordelands 3_ is due out in August.

	Darin Powell
	Syracuse University

	"I was like a...Crack Hitler!"

	-- Faith No More
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From: stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame)
Subject: Re: Rock 'n' Horror
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:25:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.153812.23242@newstand.syr.edu> dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell) writes:
>Hey Kids! Here are some song lyrics that should be of interest
>to the good folks in alt.horror
>
>"Among The Living"
>Anthrax
>from the Album _Among The Living_ (1987)

	[lyrics deleted]

>
>     Inspired, obviously, by Stephen King's _The Stand_

Ever heard "The Stand" by The Alarm?

		--Stewart Tame

		Email:  stame@emunix.emich.edu
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From: gmaughan@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Glenn Maughan)
Subject: Re: Faerie Tale
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:00:42 GMT

hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:

>   The book in question is by Raymond Feist, who also wrote the _Magician_
>   series.  These were good books (IMO), much better than _Faerie Tale_,
>   which I actively detested (again, IMO).  Along with Jamie Wurtz (I
>   think that's right, forgive me if I'm off) he's written two books
>   taking place in the same universe as the Magician series, 
>   called _Servant of the Empire_ and _Daughter of the Empire_.
>   I think these are excellent although quite different from the 
>   Magician trilogy; the differences can probably be attributed to
>   Wurtz's influence, which I think raises the degree of sophistocation
>   of the writing. 
>   
>   These books are more fantasy/science fiction, than horror.

It is Janny Wurts, and he is a she, but you were close.  The books you
mention by her are still about the Rift War Saga but set on the Tsunami side
of the World.  They are still very good books.  Janny has written a number
of books on her own but I can't remember what they are called...sorry.

Regards Glenn.
-- 
--------------------------------------------------------
Glenn Maughan
Software Development Honours
email: gmaughan@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au
From: mcarlsso@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Mars)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Scariest Horror Movie
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:06:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


I think one of the scariest movies ever made has to be Roman
Polanski's "Repulsion".  It's such a disturbing movie and the black
and white format just enhances the madness that is going on in the
film.  A true classic, even better than Psycho....


mc



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Subject: Re: Scariest Horror Movie (+ Spoiler)
From: paulstg@otago.ac.nz
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:44:43 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

> Do you remember what the first two stories were about?  I can remember the
> last one (who can't), but the first two escape me.

<< SEMISPOILER FOLLOWS >>

Well, the first one (or maybe it was the second) is about a guy who goes for
his seemingly square, prim and proper teacher and tries to photograph her, 
then seduce her.  Well she kind of seduces him, and turns out to be 
a real wacko herself and ends up giving him more than he bargained for.
Can't remember the next one...
From: peterme@ocf.berkeley.edu (Peter D. Merholz)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Date: 30 Jul 1992 00:03:08 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul29.211034.8174@rchland.ibm.com> jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
>
>Has anyone seen this silly thing yet?
>
>I'm not sure when it comes out...
>
This silly thing will come out tomorrow, July 30.
I have a feeling it's not gonna be much of a horror movie, but more
of a spoof...
It's been my most-awaited film of the summer, and NOT because of <GASP!>
Luke Perry...

--Peter M.

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From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Subject: Stevie-boy, where are you?
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network, FUNET
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:28:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.031656.9726@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Jennifer.M.Collins@dartmouth.edu (Jennifer M. Collins) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.053626.6276@news.iastate.edu>
>tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu (Griffy) writes:
>
>>    I don't think he was in CARRIE.
>
>In fact, he was in CARRIE ... very small cameo ... he was a driver of a
>truck/tractor/something, as I recall ... 

Well, I just watched Carrie again with my friend and we're about 99%
sure that Stephen King wasn't behind the wheel of any vehicle. He
_might_ be the guitarist with red jacket in the Prom band. Does anyone
know for sure? What about The Shining? Does he make an appearance in that
movie? 

--
  Tapio Keihanen  \ rare DIO records wanted /    Holy Father - Holy Ghost
tapio@nic.funet.fi  \                     /  Who's the one who hurts you most?
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