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From: apn207s@fermat.maths.monash.edu.au (Mr A Dempster)
Subject: Re: Death #1 comments
Organization: Monash University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:22:27 GMT

In article <C16LzJ.Ew2@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
|> Petri.Wessman@hut.fi (Petri Wessman) writes:
|> 
|> >On Wed, 20 Jan 1993 07:31:32 GMT, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) said:
|> 
|> >Dani> (If you were the greatest of the Fallen, and you could go anywhere
|> >Dani> in the multiverse, barring the Silver City, and Earth weren't the
|> >Dani> center of creation, would you retire to Australia?)
|> 
|> >I might. They have fantastic beer :-)
|> 
|> Yeah, but they also have marmite.

mar-what? (says he, casually picking nits while eating a *Vegemite* sandwich)
Okay, they do actually sell Marmite here but I don't know why Lucifer would 
be scoffing down that English (?) filth when he has access to a superior local
product.  Please explain.... :-).

(Irrelevant Aus. Trivia:- Vegemite was originally marketed as 'Parwill' (to
compete with 'Marmite') and it just didn't sell...)
 
|> Can you honestly see Lucifer Morningstar spreading brewer's yeast
|> on toast?

  Well, he *is* an Australian now.  I think Immigration won't let you in if you
don't... 

   Walter 


-- 

"Living without hallucinations is like breathing 
 with only one nostril"
                       -Weisshaupt
From: LUTHER@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (JONATHAN A LUTHER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Green Lantern : Mosaic
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:32:06 GMT
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     Did anyone else notice that GL: Mosaic was listed in this months
subscription page for DC???  Has anyone heard if this is an oversight,
or if DC changed their minds and uncancelled Mosaic?  I'm curious
as to what is going on.
                                      Jon

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From: modrall@world.std.com (Mark W Modrall)
Subject: Squadron Supreme
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:59:17 GMT

actually a lawsuit from DC was very credible when you looked at
all of the similarities... i don't remember all of the character's
names, but they had characters that closely emulated everyone in
the JLA at the time...

Superman = Hyperion
Wonder Woman = ?? (complete with old hubbie = Steve Trevor)
Green Arrow = Golden Archer
Black Canary = ?? some bird name, complete with sonic scream
Batman = Nighthawk
Green Lantern = Dr Spectrum
Hawkman = Captain Hawk or some such
Flash = Whizzer
Firestorm = Nuke

it was a pretty flagrant parody...

-mark
From: shepa@sersun1 (Shepherd A J)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman: No chocolate for dogs
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:46:24 GMT
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jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com wrote:
: Dogs should not be given chocolate.  It's (I've been told) toxic to them.
: 
Try telling OUR dog that!
	"Woof Woof Woof, give me a bit of chocolate or I'll bite your
	bloody leg off..."

--
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From: daq@fc.hp.com (Doug Quarnstrom)
Subject: Re: Getting non-comic readers started
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:36:16 GMT
Organization: SPUGE
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: >
: This brings up a topic I've been thinking about recently - what are good
: examples of comics to lend to non-comics readers when trying to show
: what 'good' comics are?

Why do you feel the urge to proselytize?

: I would tend to agree with the above comment about Watchmen not being 
: a good idea - it is best enjoyed when one is familiar with the conventions 
: of comics, particularly superhero comics. Having said that, one friend of
: mine spontaneously bought it and loved it, despite being a non-comics
: person up to that point. He now borrows regularly from me too...

I do not necessarily agree.  Watchmen works fairly well regardless
of your appreciation of the traditions of the genre.  It works 
better with them, I suppose.  

: 
: I would disagree with the above comments about DKR. Apart from being a
: cracking good read IMHO, Batman is a very familiar character even to non-
: comics readers, and the style of writing is less 'comicy' and more 'filmy'
: IMHO, and so may be more accessible to people.

Give them Moonshadow.

: 
: 
: Any thoughts? Suggestions?

Give your friends a copy of the novel _100 Years of Solitude_.  
If you are goiing to proselytize them into reading something, it
may as well be something brilliant.       

Comics?  Well, it is so difficult to find ones that are satisfying
to someone with a respect for reading that I would not try
to get friends into reading them.  There is plenty of reading to
do without wading through the dreck of the comic world looking
for jewels.  The jewels exist, and they are worth finding, but
it takes a fair amount of dedication, and your average friend
probably has other things to do with their time.

doug
From: pechever@phakt.usc.edu (The Heckler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: green lanterns
Date: 23 Jan 1993 20:19:10 -0800
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In article <1993Jan22.163314.23015@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu] dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
]It's not a matter of power usage, since even if the ring isn't used at all it 
]will run out in 24 hours.  Likewise, even the heaviest usage won't burn it out 
]before the 24 limit.  This is another artificial limitation like the yellow 
]weakness, to keep the GLs on their toes and keep them from becoming too 
]powerful (cuz power corrupts, eh?).  Now, given that not all systems of time 
]measurement match well, the limit is likely different for each GL, but is close
]to 24 hours in all cases.  For example, is 24 hours is exactly 13.85735 breems,
]the GL with that time system will have to recharge every 14 breems.  The idea 
]is to be short enough to limit the GL, but long enough that the GL isn't made 
]useless, and in all cases a simple to remember period.
]     Dave Van Domelen, PLEASE don't start the "Why Yellow?" thread again....

Well, I had a pet theory on why usage doesn't affect the time period the ring
works, and it goes like this:
The process of 'recharging' a ring actually creates a link between the ring
and the Central Battery, which has essentially unlimited energy.  It's the
link that decays within (approximately) 24 hours, so usage of the energies
afforded by the link is an irrelevant factor in its longevity.

That make sense?

			Paul (the heckler...no, not THAT heckler) Echeverri

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From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Subject: Re: Hellblazer's Still Not That Great
Organization: New York University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:06:15 GMT

<DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>   Anybody think Constantine partied a
>  little TOO hearty in #63?  I mean, all
>  of a sudden everybody's toking.  What an
>  influence this could have on impressionable
>  young minds.

Suggested for Mature Readers means you don't have to care about that
sort of thing.    :)

		-Darkmage
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From: modrall@world.std.com (Mark W Modrall)
Subject: Martian Manhunter
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:23:23 GMT

as has been said J'onn was always supposed to be a little weaker
than superman, but not much... and this JLA story harkens back
to the days when superman kicked the shit out of god, so it
wouldn't seem surprising that MM could beat up sinestro...

in DC Presents #26(?) the one with the first new titans giveaway,
superman and GL team up when some space goon steals GL's ring...
Superman pushes the battle far away from earth, you see a huge flash
of light, and superman comes back with the unconscious space goon...
GL is astonished... "you... you... beat the ring?" and superman says
"sure, i'm superman"... one punch...

-mark

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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Megaton Man vs. The Tick (was Re: who's Funnier)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:26:51 GMT


I really like The Tick comic, and I also enjoyed Megaton Man.
I think The Tick is the funnier of the two, but they're both
great parodies, and I'd love to see a meeting of the two.
I don't know how the people at NEC feel about crossovers,
but Megs will be meeting the Savage Dragon in an Image book
soon.

There was a scene in one of the MM books in which the hero
is becoming concerned that people expect too much of him.
He's surrounded by a crowd of people yelling for help..
Among the cries were something about someone having
gall-bladder trouble (or something similar) and the
infamous "Think for us, Megaton Man!  Think for us!"

I look forward to the Megaton Man/Savage Dragon meeting.

Tom
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
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Subject: Re: JLA #72
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:43:57 GMT
	<1993Jan27.033848.17166@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
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In-reply-to: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu's message of Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:38:48 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:38:48 GMT, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) said:

dvandom> I think Flash's costume changes may be subtle hints that it
dvandom> is the dream of a madman who has trouble keeping things
dvandom> straight....

Seemed to me, ALL the costumes were darker than normal. The red's are
maroon, and the shades of green on J'onn and GL are darker....
--
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From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Subject: Re: Suicide Squid shirt update and order info
Organization: New York University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:50:53 GMT

Can some1 send me/repost the original article?  I just got back from
vacation the other day, and I missed it...  :)

		-Darkmage
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (THE SCAVENGER STRIKES BACK)
Subject: Re: Did Ya' Notice in Future Imperfect
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:33:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.140112.10404@ac.dal.ca> ibanez@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>    Why would the Surfer's board be there? First off,he could survive
>any nuclear explosion on Earth - the man can go through suns!
>
>Also, though his board may have been shattered in the past, he could
>easily reconstruct a new one or repair it, as done during his battle
>with the Stranger. I can accept all the other earth heroes being wiped
>out, but not him.

Uh, the surfer could've been cacked any number of ways. Being hit by a powerful
disintigration beam, really pissing off Molecule Man, slipping in the shower and
breaking his neck, getting infected by one of those virus Marz keeps doing in
the series, etc.    
or maybe Maestro killed him. 

>
>>>As for Thor's hammer, we've seen the hammer moved by mechanical means in
>>>the past.  I assume that's how it was brought there this time.
>>>
>
>  Maybee if Thor is dead, which seems to be indicated, the enchantment Odin
>placed on it has no further purpose - maybee it can be lifted now. I imagine
>the much overused "person ______ can lift it due to his noble heart" idea
>is the real reason Rick has it.
>
>
Maybe Rick is virtuous enough to have picked it up.  He's generally a good guy.


----SCAVENGER finds the thought of Rick having the Beasts skin hanging on the
wall a little gross.

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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Hell On Earth (was: Death #1 comments)
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:23:19 GMT

In <1993Jan20.073132.25688@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>(If you were the greatest of the Fallen, and you could go anywhere
>in the multiverse, barring the Silver City, and Earth weren't the
>center of creation, would you retire to Australia?)

As opposed to where?  I guess the diving's better in Cayman Brac or Bonaire,
but hey, the big L has gotta have some love for desert as is.

Personally, I would have picked Belgium... but I just dabble in evil, I
don't pass it out wholesale!

                           "A robot watches a bad film.  It renders
                            him...unconscious.  Next...on Rescue... 911."

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From: mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: The Corinthian's appearance (maybe spoiler?)
Reply-To: mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:55:45 GMT


 jlmiller@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

|> Am I the only person who thought the Corinthian scene was a flashback and has
|> something (heh heh heh) to do with why Morpheus doesn't have normal eyes? (I
|> think Del called them empty and sparkley or something like that.) I mean, why
|> else would Neil bring it up? Anyway, I saw it and thought "flashback."

Possible Spoilers



OK...here's my thoughts. Dream is dressed in white...every appearance so 
far has him wearing black (am I right?) so either this happens before any
of his appearances (so far) or it will happen in the future. The Corinthian
doesn't help matters, since we've seen him in flashback, but Dream has
also though about recreating him.

Blood on the throne. The Corinthian's past actions lead us to believe that
he is probably responsible. Assuming Mr. C is responsible, let's examine
his preferred victim type, little boys. Now, which little boys are likely
to be on the throne in the Dreaming (assuming that's where the throne is)?



That's right, Daniel Hall. Now this is pure speculation of the silliest
sort, but I'm no Matlock.

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
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From: afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell)
Subject: Re: The Slightly Annotated Death #1, plus random thoughts...
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:23:34 GMT

In <ZONKER.93Jan25170545@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu> zonker@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (     Regis     ) writes:

>probably spoilers if you haven't read it yet... (but if you haven't,
>then why are you reading the annotated thing?)
>

>Did anyone else notice just *how far* death managed to push that
>fridge?

Personally, I'm wondering about how far the fridge fell. If you look at
the second picture on the bottom row of page 13, it seems quite a bit above 
Sexton as it fell. Seeing as how he didn't break a leg when it fell on him,
I wouldn't be surprised if he's dead.

>and she also has the curly-thing under her eye when the kid is walking
>down the stairway talking about how "death is a guy with a bone face"
>(a "seventh seal" reference, i assume...)  perhaps the curly thing
>shows up when people are dealing with her as Death?  (since Hettie
>knows who she is)  she seems older when Hettie is talking to her...

I didn't think so. It's probably just the Cardigan.

>I kinda hope that Death/DiDi gets more human as the day goes on...  I
>also think it would be neat if the kid did end up killing himself at
>the end, which would serve as a good transition for her going from
>mortal to immortal, as well as giving her the grief that mortals feel
>for the passing of a friend...  

Death shows up, doesn't act like Death, and freaks out one of the first 
people she meets really badly. I just don't think this series is a good 
place for new readers to start.

>--regis

Andrew.
From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Who is Spawn?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 02:36:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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fritz@titanic.East.Sun.COM (SE Sun Vienna Va.) says:

>After reading that Moore, Gaiman, Wagner, and Miller
>were going to guest write issues 8 - 11 of Spawn,

Reminder to all fans of the above writers -- issue 8
 comes out in about 3 weeks, so be prepared.

>reading 6 and 7, I had to wonder how they attracted
>these high caliber writers to this book.

3 words:  total creative control.  

Dave Sim is the self-appointed guardian of writer's
 freedom.  Besides, he likes Spawn + Image Comics.

Alan Moore has had trouble with DC on virtually all of
 his projects.  e.g. Watchmen vs Charlton characters.

Neil Gaiman is probably fed up with DC mis-coloring
 Sandman + Eclipse not paying him.

Frank Miller has wanted freedom since creating Ronin. 
 That's why he went to Dark Horse for his later stuff.
From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: artists who draw themselves
Date: 24 Jan 1993 00:20:58 GMT
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In article <1993Jan22.211456.25749@math.ucla.edu> sherman@leconte.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) writes:
>Also, I've always thought that Matt Wagner looks like Kevin Matchstick,
>especially as drawn in the first few issues of "Mage," but then again I
>could be wrong.

Matt Wagner himself said in his intro in the first Starblaze _Mage_ graphic
novel, that the inspiration for Kevin Matchstick was a drawing he did of 
himself one day. "Not my first self-portrait, this sketch caught my eye because
of the way I looked in the sketch. Tired, skeptical, and mundane. This is the
side of myself that I had never been able to draw before. Like most 
illustrators with a fantasy background, my output up until now had been a touch
cursory - that is, not internalized enough but mainly concerned with the flash
around the rims. This, then, was my first sight of Kevin Matchstick."
He goes on to describe the development of the character, including the shirt,
and finishes with "Here was the hero I looking for. Inside myself."

So Kevin Matchstick is Matt Wagner in more ways than just appearances.....
-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Squad/Shi'ar
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:55:34 GMT

In article <C1BzCt.M4w@world.std.com> modrall@world.std.com (Mark W Modrall) writes:
>the movie umpteen times... anyway, he said that Gladiator was
>supposed to be Superman, but the way Byrne thought his powers
>should work... subtle telekenisis actually forming a great deal
>of the basis for Superman's "strength"... he also thought that 

This actually goes further back. In the late, lamented, The Comic Reader zine,
Byrne got into an extended debate on the nature of Superman's powers. He
basically assigned all of them to mental powers; clairvoyance for super-senses,
pyrokinesis for heat vision, telekinesis for strength and flight, etc. This
was in the late 70s, before Byrne dealt with Gladiator or Superman in any
meaningful way.

"Is that how a warped brain like your's gets its kicks? By planning the deaths
of innocent people?"
"No... by *causing* the deaths of innocent people."
  --Superman and Lex Luthor discussing what to do on a Saturday night
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Wayne A. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Superhero Comics (Re: costumed vigilantes)
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:38:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
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In article <1993Jan19.161327.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, mwhatt01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes...
> ....(there are no costumed heroes in reality because they would be
>     laughed at) ...... 
>So I guess thats why I'm more inclined to read comics that don't have
>all of the superhero cliches.

Why?  You seem to be saying that you don't like comics with superheroics 
because superheroes are not realistic.  Which books do you read then?  
Sandman?  Cerebus?  [fill-in the blank, more-cerebral titles]?  I wouldn't 
call any of these "superhero books," but the title characters are 
certainly not "realistic" either.  My point is, and I've said it before,
a story with a superhero character is not neccessarily bad, it's the 
treatment of the character that determines the merit of the book.  A story 
can be good regardless of whether or not the premise is based in OUR 
reality.

Sure, there's a lot of worthless superhero books being pumped out, but 
I'll contend that in the proper hands, any character, superhero or 
otherwise, could be made believable and more importantly, enjoyable.
This includes aardvarks, enigmatic universal entities, cute nondescript 
bones, sword-wielding rabbits, and yes, even gun-toting muscle faced guys 
and claw waving, adamantium laced runts.  From what I've heard, even a slab 
of concrete can have personality. 

Maybe I've read too much into what you're saying, but it's hard enough 
trying to explain the high level of maturity in some of today's comics to
non-comic readers without having to convince other comic readers of the 
merits of the medium, especially when it comes to the superhero genre.

 - Wayne.
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