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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: President at Superman's Funeral
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:07:32 GMT

I thought comics had to be done two or three months ahead of their
distribution date in order to get into the pipeline in time, but
Clinton was at Superman's funeral six weeks after the election.
Is it that they allow shorter lead times, that they gambled on
the polls, or that they simply drew that panel in two versions?
(We'll ignore the fact that this was before the Christmas issue,
meaning that the funeral took place before inauguration.)

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Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

"The death of God left the angels in a strange position."
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From: lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: How does PAD write scripts for Marvel?
Date: 1 Jan 1993 02:32:54 -0600
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Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Fight scenes aren't really story advancement.  The dialogue
>you see in them is to stories as what Liefeld's hatchmarks are to his
>backgrounds; a distraction.  In this case, a picture of the punch
>is worth 1/1000 of a word.

Yeah, but you gotta admit that Spidey's snappy-patter (that he uses,
incidentally, to distract his foes) IS very amusing most of the time!
'Course, one of my recent favourite fight scenes occured in Alpha
Flight #108 between Omerta and Weapon Omega... no dialogue!  (After
the battle: "Omerta is sworn to silence, while I... I had NOTHING to
say.")

PAD... what was your response to the original subject?  If you
answered soon after it was posted, I missed it due to lack of net
access for a week (and lack of computer, and lack of modem...).
Thanks!

>"YOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!"  --  Ren
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Bart -Laz- Smith
The 'Cat!
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Best Rookie Award (was: Sunk the Lowest Award)
Date: 28 Dec 1992 09:25:12 GMT
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 >         Since there's a "Sunk the Lowest" award, how about a "Best
 > Rookie" award? My vote would be split between Archer & Armstrong
 > and Shadowman, both of which take old, overused ideas (a "buddy"
 > comic and a vigilante comic) and make them really enjoyable to
 > read.

I'd have to mention a couple of Image titles here.  Yes, Image books.  I
really think THE SAVAGE DRAGON turned out well.  It has the feel of a
Marvel comic, with goofy unrealistic fights and evil villains, yet the
idea of the hero being a police officer rather than some spandex-wearing
vigilante is original.  And, Erik Larsen seems to be having some fun
with the book, without overdoing it and making the book a parody.

Furthermore, I felt CYBERFORCE was a worthy effort from Marc Silvestri.
It was kind of like "What if you took the X-Men from a couple of years
back, stripped away all the years of built-up tangled plotlines and
crap, added some snazzy art and told a mutant story?"  I thought it was
the most fun I'd had reading an X-Book in many years... too bad the
X-Books can't compete.
From: cat1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHAD ANDREW TANNER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Sucking up......
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:13:07 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    Something that I fail to understand is how in complimenting an artist, you
    are sucking up to them.  I can understand blatent fanboy spewing getting
    flamed, but not intelligent, well meaning posts.

    I am of the belief that if an artist does a good job, and I have the
    capability to carry my remarks to said artist, I should.

    And I have a question for PAD, do you relate the opinions expressed on
    other books to the other artists?
-- 
Always..Always remember:
Less is Less. More is More.
More is Better, and Twice as much is Good too.
Not enough is Bad, and too much is never Enough
Exept when it's Just About Right.
                        Tick #9
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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Subject: Re: SUPERMAN'S comeback
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:42:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.183642.9276@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Arthur.E.LaMarche@dartmouth.edu (Arthur E. LaMarche) writes...
>Superman's comeback
> 
>I heard a rumor that "Superman" would return as four clones.  I believe
>that this would be even more lame then killing him in the first place. 
>Has anyone else heard this rumor?  Has anyone heard anything more
>substantial?  

	I heard the rumor on Entertainment Tonight, who gave the DoS quite
a bit of coverage. They did say the rumor was unconfirmed.

	Joe Delisle

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From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: Sucking up......
Date: 23 Dec 1992 16:13:04 -0600
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Peter David (Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com) writes:

Subject: Re: Sucking up......

>If some is positive to a very large degree, I will.  For example, I told Jame
>Fry how a lot of people on various computer nets seemed to enjoy "Slapstick,"
>a book very near to his heart which got *no* promotion at all from Marvel.

Although it did get a big story in Comics Buyer's Guide, about how Slapstick
was to premiere on one of the sets of trading cards.

>On the other hand, I don't run around and say, "Hey, Usenet is tearing you
>to shreds."  On occasion I have been asked.  Scott Lobdell, for example, was
>*very* anxious to know what people were saying about his writing.  I said
>to him, basically, "Ohhhh, Scott...you don't *really* want to know that."

And you're right.  Scott's recent work on Excalibur convinced me to never
again pick up that book without checking the writing credits first, and to
return any other writing of his I mistakenly buy in the future for a refund.
Scott may have decent writing skills, but on Excalibur, he has proved that he
has no sense of the characters' "voices."  *None* of them "sounded" correct,
like they do/did under either Claremont or Davis.

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                             |     "What are the odds?!" said Tam, waving a
Jim Drew                     | piece of paper tape.  "*Three* fortunes in a
jrd@frame.com                | row, and *all* the same!"
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     I took the tape and read it aloud.
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     "Hershey... Hershey..."
B(2)h t c k s g+(p) rv p e   |     "He has *Ch*inese *c*ookies confused with
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | *ch*ocolate *k*isses," I told Ron.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     "His alliterative attempts are *always*
                             | annoying," Ron replied.
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Gaol House Rock"
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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Re: Jack "King" Kirby: ripped off by Marvel
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:25:28 GMT

In article <1h9a12INNos6@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder) writes:

> You do have enthusiasm for your causes, I'll give you that, but I don't
> think Kirby's own soapboxes are stacked as high as yours at this point
> -- and he knows a hell of a lot more of the facts than do you after
> reading a paragraph in a comics collectors' magazine.

As with you. All Jack ever wanted was the return of his art, and he didn't 
even get that. What a shame. Maybe I should start a new cause - based on
comments Howard Chaykin made in numerous interviews - like Comics 75.
"Comics are shit for teenagers to jerk off over and have no relevance 
whatsoever". He has stated that he wants to write garbage and that he
really hates the medium. It seems a lot of weenies in this group seem
to take this approach (like Libelman) - and I thought - hell, if comics
are not art then comics are trash. Maybe Chaykin is right.

( coming out next year from Marvel - a two Chaykin miniseries. He is drawing
again. makes you miss Black Kiss already. )

Don't get me started - I'm having a bad day.

Jack Kirby is nothing but a construction worker. He is a hack. Comics are not 
art. Comics are shit. Comics will never have any relevence. Comics are for
pea brained children. Acclaimed works like the Watchman and the Dark Knight
are the last gasp of comics to gain the notoriety that it will never deserve.
Adults will never fully accept this medium as a medium for adults - and 
looking at the products out today - can you question them. Comics are an
assemply line - with pitiful art and stories every month from all of the
companies. Comics = toothpaste = construction work = blow jobs = beer =
shit.

Marvel, DC, Image, Aardvark-Vanaheim, Coors Beer - what't the fucking 
difference. 

I suppose that this is what some of the weenies here want to believe. And
after being hounded by these weenies every time I have written on the
subject - I will now espouse the above to the fullest degree possible.
And every time anyone defends comic book professionals I will shove the
latest Marvel Age down their weenie throats and say "Comics = toothpaste
= garbage". This is what my detractors tell me. And this is what I am
going to tell them - bigtime. comics = shit. think about it.
 
-- 

John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


"Urk..urk..."
"Apology accepted, Captain Needa", Darth Vader
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From: vcf1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Victoria C Fike)
Subject: Re: Spawn Question
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:57:25 GMT
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In article <1h4np7INNq9v@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small) writes:

>His host was actually Homer, not Satan. 
                       ^^^^^
(Lurking Girl struggles in vain; the English Major leaps to the forefront of
their joint psyche)

Urk...his guide was *Virgil*, not Homer.  :-)

Tori

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From: Thor@lcc.edu ( Thor Odinsblood )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Punisher 2099 #1
Date: 1 Jan 93 03:22:54 GMT
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In article <1993Jan1.000213.14201@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>Of all the 2099 titles, this appears to have the least to offer that's new.
>The milieu is the generic-cyberpunk of 2099, but everything else about
>the title is a new Frank Castle caressing a new generation of weapons.
>But without the restraint of the current Punisher titles.  
>
>-----
>Dani Zweig
>dani@netcom.com
>

Arg! I actually let my self do it!
I broke down and bought a "Punisher" title.

I figured that Punisher2099 would be the best of the 2099 line and
it turns out to be the worst.

The Thor worship sludge had me reaching for my zippo lighter.
The best part of the book was the skull that cloaks Jake's face on the 
spy cammeras.

The art was (dare I say it) even worse than that featured in Spidey2099!
Rick Leonardi (spell what!) is one of the few artist that makes me cridge.
Although I likedhe story on Spidey'99 I dropped it after the 3rd issue
'cuase the art sucked so bad.  Saw some of Rick's artwork in uX-men(#130's)
from 1988 (i think) and it sucked then and it still does.  I just pray
that Mr.Starlin doesn't let him draw anymore issues of Warlock (& IWatch).
His two issues were the lowpoint of the book so far. (e'nuff Rick bashing)

So whats next for the 2099 line?

my picks:

1) IronMan2099:	Tony's Starks grandson dons the latest in Stark/Fuji
                tecknoledgy - a suit of living armour that becomes 
		one with the wearer.

2) X-Men2099:	They been talking about "FuturePast"/Mutant-dispair long
		enough - Let's see it!  100+ years from now Mutants are
		all but non-existant.  Most of those that remain are
		kept in concentration camps.  A few rebels roam "free"
		in a hopless attempt to destroy the Sentinels and find
		a place for themselves and their outlawed race in the
		world of 2099.  Group consists of all new mutants except:

3) Wolverine2099:  Just like that damn Energizer-Bunny he's still going.
   	(Hey he was going to be alive in Valentino's GotG (31st century) 
		Wolvie prowls the streets slashing up corporate filth
		between getting sloshed on sythahol and leading a mutant
		revolution.

4) Cable2099:	not!  Although it would be plauseble since he has time
		travel tech. (Although he is scheduled to lose it soon)

5) Hulk2099:	Check out Perez & PAD's FutureImperfect for a look at one
		futureized version of the Hulkster.  My future version 
		would put the green dude as the CEO of his own Corp. from
		which he could strike out at the corperate armies of
		Alchamax & Tyger Wilde (Shade's of X-O's Orb Industries).
		Just picture the hulk in a double-breasted bussiness suit!


6) your 2099 choice here?

* Seems like the whole 2099 line has programmed obselecence build in.
* I mean Marvel time is slooooooooow, but the whole 2099 line can't
* run for more that one marvel year or they will have to change all of
* the titles to 2100!

Thor
thor@lcc.edu
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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: I'm bored - gimme something to read
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:36:21 GMT

jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:

>>- Doom Patrol
>>  If you're in the mood for clever nonsense (in contrast to vacuous 
>>nonsense).  I little goes a long way, but it is very, very clever.

>I tried it and didn't like it much. I suppose one issue
>was not enough (it was issue 50, supposedly a good place
>for new readers to start).

	Issue 50 was NOT a good place for new readers to start.  In fact, even
thought Doom Patrol is my favorite comic all around, I was retty non-plussed
with the 47-50 run of DP.  Issue fifty drew on the issues before it too heavily
to really be a good jumping in point, leaving the reader dumbfoundedly confused
instead of pleasantly confused.  The best places to jump in are issue #19
(first Grant issue), issue #37 (has a breif one-page summary of DP history),
and issue #63 (I hope, it's when Rachel Pollock, the new writer, takes over).
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Happy Squid Appreciation Day -- the SQUIDDIES are here!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:29:22 GMT

squiddies@queernet.org (rec.arts.comics awards):
>3.  Favorite creative team (writer/artist/...)

It's pretty hard to disentangle favorite writer from favorite creative team
from favorite series, etc.  It would have been interesting to have a best-
single-issue category, but I suppose that would be equally hard to untangle.

>4.  Favorite limited series, 12 or fewer issues
>6.  Favorite new continuing series
>7.  Favorite within series (include name of story and comic)
>11. Favorite graphic novel
>12. Favorite reprint volume

Can anyone be persuaded to do a year-in-review?  Every year, when the
results are posted, I bruise my forehead by repeatedly going "I forgot
that *that* came out just last year!"

>10. Favorite team of characters

Do the Endless qualify?  They have a collective name, powers, funny costumes,
and angst.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   Aphorism is better than none.
From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Spawn Question
Date: 21 Dec 1992 18:52:08 GMT
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Victoria C Fike (vcf1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In article <1h4np7INNq9v@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small) writes:

: >His host was actually Homer, not Satan. 
:                        ^^^^^
: (Lurking Girl struggles in vain; the English Major leaps to the forefront of
: their joint psyche)

: Urk...his guide was *Virgil*, not Homer.  :-)

Ooh.  The English Major in me suddenly becomes Shrinking Lad.  Now I
truly feel like my name.  (ObDefense:  "It's been *years* since I read
it!")

--
Ken Small           kens@umich.edu
"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan
From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: SANDMAN: Christmas with Delirium
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:07:29 GMT
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Quick observations after the first pass:

- No Sphinges? That's last time I trust a DC promotional blurbo.

- More eye references. I'm assuming that Del's eyes really, truly are 
  both supposed to be green in the final page.

- The title at the bottom of Lucien's stack is probably an E. Nesbit
  book concerning the Phoenix. The Phoenix previously appeared in _The
  Phoenix and the Carpet_. Perhaps the _Sand Fairy and the Phoenix_ 

- Faramond? It was Pharamond in #43. Time for another visit to Wilson
  Library's reference stacks. 

- Is Todd Klein getting time and a half for these issues? Dream, Bast,
  Barnabas, and Delirium all have their own lettering in this issue.
  I'm sure it will only get worse. No rest for the letterers.
  
- Nice cover. Nice inside cover. I found the artwork a little uneven.
  Delirium comes off well, especially when she returns to her realm. 
  Dream came across pretty good.  Death is shrinking. Bast's head seemed
  based upon the wrong sort of cat altogether. 
  
- I'd say this was a "sort things out before the home stretch" issue.
  Not the best of the arc, but it did have Lucien, Barnabas, and Nuala 
  dancing.

I wasn't expecting this until next week, so it's something to take my
mind off the usual Holiday Stress [tm]. Throw in Hellblazer, Post Brothers,
Pirate Corp$, and Signal to Noise (finally!) and I might actually get 
through to 1993 in one piece (unlike a certain leguminous character.)

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    Formerly disgusted.     |  get my wings. Well, what are you waiting for?
     Now just amused.       |  Go ahead and jump!"       _It's a Wonderful Nut_
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Alternative Squiddies
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:47:13 GMT

Similar to last year, I'll be doing the Alternative Squiddies, devoted
both to categories which are either more emphermal, relative to r.a.c.*
itself, or silly than the regular Squiddy categories and to those categories
you make up on your own.

Before posting an official call for votes, I'd like to open it up for
suggestions as to categories for this year's version. Hey, I need something
to replace the "Comics Personality You'd Most Like To Star In A 501 Jeans
Commercial" one from last year. Other categories from last year which will
be returning are things like "Best Nom Du Net", "Best .sigs" (although I'm
somewhat tempted to split this into original and quote categories), "Worst
Marketing Gimmick", as well as others I'll recall when I actually go look
at last year's categories instead of typing from memory here.

So if you've got a category you'd like to see in the Alternative Squiddies,
send me email with it and perhaps some suggested nominations for it.
If you think there's only one real possibility for your category, save it
for the "roll your own" Alternative Squiddy categories and winners which
should be included with your actual AS vote. (Example from last year:
Comic Most Likely To Send r.a.c.ers To A Major Research Library: Sandman). 

"Any idea what he plans to do when he gets the ship running?"
"He says he's either gonna rob a bank, kill Superman, or take over the world.
We get to vote on it later.
"Oh, for joy...!"  --Cluemaster and Clock King
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: eja@bio3.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: What is the future status of Booster Gold?
Date: 25 Dec 92 19:21:42 GMT

My speculation, based on the Funeral for a Friend JLA issue, is that 
with Beetle in a coma and Booster's suit ruined, Booster will take over
the identity of Blue Beetle in tribute to his friend.

eja@acpub.duke.edu
Eric Akawie; Freelance Messiah
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