HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: ca.driving

Yes it is possible.  Simply join a local car club that rents the
above mentioned tracks, then you can run YOUR car for about 100-125
dollars per day!  ...and if this sounds far-fetched, come down
to Laguna Seca raceway the weekend of Dec 5-6 and watch Mustangs,
Shelby's Cobras, Ferrari's and lots more run at speed.

....courtesy of the friendly people of the Northern California
    Shelby American Automobile Club.

For more info, send E-Mail

Walt Boeninger   walt@hpwrcxe.mayfield.hp.com
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: markd@locus.com (Mark Dubinsky)
Subject: Speeding in Maine
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:45:54 GMT

If I got a speeding ticket in Mained and just paid it, would California
find out?  Or what would Maine do if I ignored the ticket?

(Umm, no particular reason I'm asking this....)
From: (Christopher J. Amow)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Get your kicks on Route 166
Followup-To: ca.driving
Date: 24 Nov 1992 02:07:42 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdr170.sdd.hp.com

In article <1eke9vINNfls@news.aero.org>, helfman@aero.org (Robert S.
Helfman) wrote:
> 
> In article <1eke14INNfln@news.aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
> >In article <1992Nov17.222620.21921@spock.retix.com> dspencer@spock.retix.com (David Spencer) writes:
> >The stretch of 166 between 33 and I-5 was the site of the most
> >egregious citation of my dissipated youth. In a 1964 Corvair
> >Monza Spider (of all things - it was turbocharged and obscenely
> >fast at the top end), I was stopped by the CHP for doing 110 mph.
> >He told me he didn't think "those things could go that fast", but
> >he only wrote me for 80 (if they write you for more than 80, they
> >have to book you for reckless driving).

Does this policy still hold?
I specifically asked a CHP officer and he told me that a RECKLESS DRIVING
citation will be issued depending on the safety considerations at the
specific time and place - i.e. wet, crowded, low visibility, apparent
control of your car, etc.

What is the penalty for this anyway?  I heard (from a friend) that they
automatically suspend your license for one month.

Later,
Chris
From: wae@aero.org (William A. Emanuelsen)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Racetrack Driving (was Re: Get your kicks on Route 166)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 16:08:23 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <24xl03wWbcoq00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:
>alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn) writes:
>
>Ok, so if I wanted to take my car out onto one of these tracks, what
>would I need to do?  Rent the whole track for a few hours at some
>exhorbitant amount of money?  Enter some "stock" car race and risk
>getting my two-year old car all smashed up?
>
>This is actually a serious question.  If it is possible for ordinary
>people to take their ordinary cars out onto a race track under conditions
>that don't threaten the well-being of the car (other than by the driver's
>own hand, of course) and that don't cost an arm and a leg, I'd like to
>hear about it.

At the Saugus speedway (in Saugus, a bit north of Los Angeles) they
have an amateur event before the stock races begin.  I don't know if
it costs anything.  They lend you a helmet and you get to take two
laps of the track (I think it's 1/3 mile each lap).  They time you and
the fastest car in its class gets a prize.  They loosely divide up
the classes by the number of cylinders in your engine - 4, 6, or 8.

Pretty neat to see a Ford Escort (non-GT version) zooming around the
track.  Even neater to see a Lotus Esprit Turbo hit the wall!
Amazingly, the damage to the car was minimal (maybe a scratch or two,
no dents).  Some of the people driving obviously knew their way around
the track, and some didn't know beans.

It was also interesting to see a 74 year old driver in a midget
formula racer flip over during a real race, his helmet scraping along
the ground under his car - not hurt!!!

You might also try asking in rec.autos.hotrod, if that group really exists.


-- 
William A. Emanuelsen    I degaussed my girlfriend and I'm
wae@aerospace.aero.org      just not attracted to her anymore.
From: dspencer@spock.retix.com (David Spencer)
Subject: Get your kicks on Route 166
Organization: Retix, Santa Monica CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:26:20 GMT

This weekend while driving back to LA from San Luis Obispo
I decided to take one of the "forgotten" roads of CA - Hwy 166.
It goes from Santa Maria to I-5.

The good news is that its quite pretty (well, at least in its
own way with barren rolling hills and some plains w/ small mtns) and 
there was hardly any traffic and it's fairly fun to drive on.

I did however see 2 CHPs - vs. my expectation of zero, as this
was supposed to be a bit of a speed test for the Z.  Also, 
there was hardly ever a stretch where I felt comfortable
punching it (into the triple digit range) - going from Maricopa
to I-5 it is straight and flat but it's kinda bumpy and between
Santa Maria and Maricopa there are no nice long straight stretches.

More good news for me is that once again I keep my clean record.

Hey, this is just a FYI kind of a posting...Oh, but hey, while
I'm at it, those of you who go on speed runs, which deserted
highways do you prefer?

		- Dave


Xref: sparky ca.driving:2370 rec.autos:26952
From: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos
Subject: Re: Are Radar Detectors banned in Oregon?
Keywords: radar detectors, oregon
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:38:10 GMT
Reply-To: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)
Followup-To: ca.driving
Distribution: ca

deven@twg.com (Deven Naniwadekar) writes:

>Could someone please tell me if radar detectors are banned in Oregon?

Not unless you're a homosexual, or some other type of "sexual deviant"
(they have a roadside test).  Oh sorry, that's Colorado.  Oregon will
just have to try again next time.  Sorry, couldn't resist.  This whole
wave of puritan intolerance has me a bit on edge.

To answer your question, they weren't banned before this last
election.  I don't believe they passed anything banning them recently.

On my last trip up to Washington State, I saw fewer cops in Oregon and
Washington combined, than in 50 miles of interstate in any area of
California.  When they do use radar, they tend to use it in long open
stretches of road, usually hiding behind an overpass (or an American
Flag, ooops, there I go again!).  Pretty easy to detect.  My
experience has been that Washington does a lot more radar than Oregon,
so you generally are pretty safe whipping through there.  Oh, and
people tend to stay to the right when you get north of Sacramento, so
you'll have to get used to not having to flash your lights, whip over
to pass some moron from the right, whip back and give them the finger.
It's not even a required maneuvior on the standard Oregon driving
test.  Imagine that.

Oh, and don't tell them your from California.  All the Californians
who left here 20 years ago to populate Oregon get real irritated when
we come up to visit.

--
Ken Wallich
wallich@ncd.com  
ken@wallich.com
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: mackay@stjames.Stanford.EDU (David Mackay)
Subject: looking for traffic survey of Page Mill in Palo Alto
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:13:45 GMT


A few days before leaving the state I received a speeding ticket on
Page Mill Road in Palo Alto.  I stopped in to visit the court clerk the
same day and learned I can request a trial by declaration, that is I must post
bail and submit my arguement through the mail and the officer also may submit 
a written arguement.  If I win my bail is refunded, if I lose they keep my
bail (is there any possibility the judge might try to raise my the fine just
because I decide to fight the ticket?). However, since I am not in town I am 
curious about how to go about obtaining any other documents I will need, 
such as a traffic survey the city has conducted on Page Mill/Oregon 
expressway.  If someone knows who in what Palo Alto City office needs to 
be contacted and what they charge for a copy, please send me email.
Alternatively, if you already have a copy you might be willing to send me 
respond also.

Thank you
mackay@stjames.stanford.edu
From: raman@calypso.its.uci.edu (Balaji V. Ramanathan)
Subject: Winter Gas=>low idle rpm?
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:55:22 GMT
Distribution: ca

	Since the introduction of 'Winter Gas' in CA, I have noticed
that my car ('88 Toyota Corolla FX) vibrates mildly when I stop
at stop lights.  I haven't noticed such a vibration before.  I
don't have a tach in my car, but I suspect that the idling rpm
of my car has come down a bit.  Has anyone else had a similar
problem?  Could someone with a tach in their car confirm my
observation?

	Maybe my car misses a mechanic.....:-(
--
----------------->8      Cut here for Signature!       8<---------------------
Balaji Ramanathan,                   | 
Institute of Transportation Studies, |         I don't believe in luck!
University of California, Irvine.    |              I RELY on it!!
From: ung@felix.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Nighttime ticket avoidance!
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:48:34 GMT
Reply-To: ung@fritz.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Distribution: ca
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1ee71fINNmau@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com> (Christopher J. Amow) writes:
|Is there anybody who feels comfortable enough being able to spot CHP at
|night that they go over the speed limit regularly (or do you merely take
|the gamble) ?

Well, what's your usual "cruising" speed?  65?  70?  80?  95+?

From what I've been told, and what I've experienced, if you're doing 70
on a freeway, chances are, CHP will leave you alone.  Although the speed
limit is officially set at 55, the CHP knows the roads were designed to
handle 70 MPH traffic.  As long as 70 MPH is safe (ie: it's not raining
heavily or foggy or traffic is moving at 40 and you're doing 70), they'll
keep looking for someone who is seriously breaking the law.  CHP seems to
be more concerned with your welfare than making quotas or generating
revenues.  This was told to me in traffic school and has been confirmed
on several occasions by CHP officers on the road.  They all leave me alone
while doing 70.  Sometimes you can get away with a bit above 70, but I
wouldn't push it.

|I feel pretty comfortable during the day - although I did get burned once
|by a patrol car just getting on the highway.

The traffic school guy said the way the CHP works is the ENTER the freeway
doing 70, then the tag the first guy who PASSES them.  The logic is, if
you PASSED them, you were obviously doing 70+ and at that point, are (in
their opinion), breaking the law.  I won't debate that point here.

|Any tips on recognition - I guess they are starting to phase in top bar
|lights...
|(and is radar detection significantly useful ?)

Ummm, paranoia always seems to work okay .. if it resembles a CHP, better
slow down and check first.  Then again, if you're following the 70 MPH
rule-of-thumb, you probably won't have to worry about it quite as much.

|Thanks,
|Chris
|
|(I dislike CHP almost as much as insurance companies!)

I dislike local cops a LOT more than I dislike the CHP.  I've seen them
do really good work (ie: public service) and some of them don't deserve
the bad rap that just goes along with law enforcement in general.

Bill Ung
  ung@filenet.com
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Are Radar Detectors banned in Oregon?
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:13:44 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

>From article <wallich.721957090@pepper>, by wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich):
>> 
>> Oh, and don't tell them your from California.  All the Californians
>> who left here 20 years ago to populate Oregon get real irritated when
>> we come up to visit.

In article <13233@optilink.UUCP> calley@optilink.UUCP (Chris Calley) writes:
>What do you do, change license plates when you cross the state line?
>
   Not a bad idea.  HIGHLY recommended if you intend on driving a
   California car in Montana also.   
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: Get your kicks on Route 166
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:43:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.222620.21921@spock.retix.com>, dspencer@spock.retix.com (David Spencer) writes:
|> 
|> More good news for me is that once again I keep my clean record.
|> 
|> Hey, this is just a FYI kind of a posting...Oh, but hey, while
|> I'm at it, those of you who go on speed runs, which deserted
|> highways do you prefer?
|>

Well, Dave, up here in the SF Bay area there's 2 areas that are ideal for
testing a vehicle's top end.  One area is outside Monterey and the other is
is the North Bay:  Laguna Seca and Sears Point.  In SoCal, you can try
Riverside. 

My point:  to drive as fast as you can as safely as you can, with no worries
about keeping your record clean, you can't beat tracks!  Ovals or road courses
are much better designed for high speed driving than most highways.  Of
course you can argue that highways were originally designed for high speed, but
that speed was on the order of 75 mph, not 175 mph, and without proper
maintenance, most roads degrade over time (especially here in Ca).  Tracks,
on the other hand, have been designed for one thing: to allow race cars to go
as fast as possible and most tracks are well-maintained for just that purpose.



-- 
Alan Hepburn           "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know
National Semiconductor       what you have just found out."
Santa Clara, Ca              
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
From: walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Are Radar Detectors banned in Oregon?
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:03:05 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

From article <184334@pyramid.pyramid.com>, by lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell):
> In article <13233@optilink.UUCP> calley@optilink.UUCP (Chris Calley) writes:

>>What do you do, change license plates when you cross the state line?

>    Not a bad idea.  HIGHLY recommended if you intend on driving a
>    California car in Montana also.   

To the extent that those in Montana have a new word in
their vocabulary:  Californication...
-- 
Mark Walsh (walsh@optilink) -- UUCP: uunet!optilink!walsh
AOL: BigCookie -- Amateur Radio: KM6XU@WX3K -- USCF: L10861
"What, me worry?" - William M. Gaines, 1922-1992
From: aegl@ossi.com (Tony Luck)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Efficient Auto Insurance company - Film at 11!
Date: 17 Nov 1992 17:00:38 -0800
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: nym.ossi.com

After all the flak that auto insurance companies get, here is a tale
of efficiency beyond my wildest expectations.

Yesterday my fiance had a deer run in front of our car.  She didn't even
get time to brake ... whump ... damage was substantial (front bumper, grill,
both headlights, hood, air-conditioner condenser ...)  Just a shade over
$2000 all told.

I phoned the insurance company at 12:45 today (after we'd gotten a couple
of estimates).  They called back at 2:00 to take all the details.  I took
the car to their office for photographs, and to let their claims assessor
look over the damage.  At 3:40 they gave me a cheque for the body shop work
(less the deductible) and gave me the addresses of two rental agencies where
I could pick up a car (for up to five days).

Just under 3 hours from first contact to paying up ... I was impressed.

Oh, the name of this paragon of efficiency ... CSAA.

-Tony Luck <aegl@ossi.com>
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Get your kicks on Route 166
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:02:17 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Meta - Software

In article <24xl03wWbcoq00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:
>alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn) writes:

>Ok, so if I wanted to take my car out onto one of these tracks, what
>would I need to do?  Rent the whole track for a few hours at some
>exhorbitant amount of money?  Enter some "stock" car race and risk
>getting my two-year old car all smashed up?

>This is actually a serious question.  If it is possible for ordinary
>people to take their ordinary cars out onto a race track under conditions
>that don't threaten the well-being of the car (other than by the driver's
>own hand, of course) and that don't cost an arm and a leg, I'd like to
>hear about it.

     Take a class with one of the performance driving schools (Skip Barber
and Bob Bondurant come to mind).

							George


-- 
----
George J Wu,  georgew@hspice.portal.com or georgew@metasw.com
Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
Never be the first to believe.  Never be the last to deceive.  ---  Chess
Xref: sparky ca.driving:2378 misc.legal:20136
From: briang@bari.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Gordon)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,sun.junk,misc.legal
Subject: Accident question (clarification)
Followup-To: poster
Date: 19 Nov 1992 01:10:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: bari

Judging by the helpful replies I have received so far, one thing I forgot to
mention is critical -- #3 son, in his youthful exhuberence -- changed insurance
companies in such a way that the policies did not overlap (he saved one month's
premium that way) and was not covered by insurance for 3 days.  The accident,
of course, happened on day 3 of that period, so he doesn't have an insurance
company to fight the battle for him ...

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From: judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Driving with parking lights only
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:02:49 GMT
Reply-To: judson@watserv.ucr.edu

Why do people insist on driving only with parking lights on when it is dusk?
Why don't they just turn on their headlights?  Beside the fact that it is
illegal in many states, it doesn't make it that much easier to see the car.
Do people think that they are saving their headlights by only turning on
their parking lights when it is dusk?  Furthermore, they are called parking
lights and as such should be used for that purpose, not for driving.  Just
turn those damn headlights on!!!


--
"It takes a big man to cry.
but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
				Jack Handy


judson@watserv.ucr.edu
From:  (Christopher J. Amow)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Nighttime ticket avoidance!
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:54:23 GMT
Followup-To: ca.driving
Distribution: ca
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdr170.sdd.hp.com

Is there anybody who feels comfortable enough being able to spot CHP at
night that they go over the speed limit regularly (or do you merely take
the gamble) ?

I feel pretty comfortable during the day - although I did get burned once
by a patrol car just getting on the highway.

Any tips on recognition - I guess they are starting to phase in top bar
lights...
(and is radar detection significantly useful ?)


Thanks,
Chris

(I dislike CHP almost as much as insurance companies!)
From: lupin@jetsun.weitek.COM (Edward Lupin)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Law Concerning Accident Disclosure
Summary: What must a dealer disclose
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:16:31 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Does anyone know for certain what the law says about what information a
dealership (or for that manner, any seller) must disclose concerning
any accidents a car has been in?  Must this information be disclosed if
the seller specifies that the car is being sold "as is"?

Please post for the masses but my site has limited disk storage for
Usenet so I would appreciate getting e-mail.  Thank you.

Ed
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"All right, Doctor, you built this thing!  How do you propose to turn it
off?"                                                   lupin@weitek.com
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Get your kicks on Route 166
Date: 21 Nov 1992 04:35:11 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1eke14INNfln@news.aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.222620.21921@spock.retix.com> dspencer@spock.retix.com (David Spencer) writes:
>>This weekend while driving back to LA from San Luis Obispo
>>I decided to take one of the "forgotten" roads of CA - Hwy 166.
>>It goes from Santa Maria to I-5.
>>
>
>>there was hardly any traffic and it's fairly fun to drive on.
>>
>>I did however see 2 CHPs - vs. my expectation of zero, as this
>>was supposed to be a bit of a speed test for the Z.  Also, 
>>there was hardly ever a stretch where I felt comfortable
>>punching it (into the triple digit range) - going from Maricopa
>>to I-5 it is straight and flat but it's kinda bumpy and between
>>Santa Maria and Maricopa there are no nice long straight stretches.
>
>The area where 166 and 33 meet is a notorious spot for the Maricopa
>sheriffs. I got nailed there in the '60s as I rounded the bend from
>166 westbound to 33 northbound. They cited me for 'cutting the button'.
>
>The stretch of 166 between 33 and I-5 was the site of the most
>egregious citation of my dissipated youth. In a 1964 Corvair
>Monza Spider (of all things - it was turbocharged and obscenely
>fast at the top end), I was stopped by the CHP for doing 110 mph.
>He told me he didn't think "those things could go that fast", but
>he only wrote me for 80 (if they write you for more than 80, they
>have to book you for reckless driving).
>
>Another wonderfully 'forgotten' road is 25 south of Hollister,
>between Paicines and 198. I used to use that stretch as part of
>a hyper-fast route from Oakland to LA before I-5 was built. In the '60s,
>33 was not patrolled by the CHP after midnite. Driving south on
>101 to 25, through Hollister, onward on 25 to 198, over the
>hills to Coalinga [quick food stop at the now quake-destroyed Lacey's
>restaurant], and down 33 to 166 and then to 99 (now I-5) could
>get you from the East Bay to L.A. in 6 1/2 hours.
>
>Unlike I-5, that route won't put you to sleep. The deer crossing the
>road on the south end of 25 late at night were the primary hazard.
>
>

Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Subject: Re: Efficient Auto Insurance company - Film at 11!
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:53:13 GMT

what happen to the deer?
and whats the name of your issurance  company and did you gett he
licese plate of the deer! (hahah)
From: hall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert J. Hall)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Taxes
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:20:56 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

Being that the Seattle residents are probably more familiar with our new
governor than the rest of us, what can we expect from Mike Lowry in the
future? (Besides taxes on everything that doesn't grow under rotten logs,
of course.)
-- 
 Bob Hall                   |
 Boeing Computer Services   |  Behind every dark cloud,
 root@chicken.ca.boeing.com |  there's a Seattle Skyline.