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From: ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington)
Subject: Re: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:14:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.002139.10142@u.washington.edu> tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>Because of violations committed by ONLY its track and field program, all Tulsa
>University team sports have been placed on 3 years probation and banned from 
>post-season play this year.  That's right, ALL Tulsa team sports.  Additionally,
>all Tulsa team sports will be forced to forfeit victories for the past 3? years,
>costing the women's golf team a national title.

This was because that Tulsa falsified participation records which would
have prevented Tulsa from meeting the minimum of 7 men's and women's
sports needed to compete in Div I-A.  Also some track atheletes competed
under assumed names.  According to the NCAA, Tulsa would not have been
able to meet the minimum which would have resulted in the same postseason
ineligibility. (source: USA Today, 11-18-92)


>
>This is not a joke, at least by me.  It's just another example of the double 
>standard with which the NCAA enforces its penalties.  If you are SMU or Tulsa, 
>or some other small school, expect to be hit hard.  But, if you're Texas A&M, 
>Texas, or any other big-money state university with a powerful athletic program,
>you'll get treated with kid gloves.  Even though they fit the qualifications for
>the NCAA Death Penalty, if I were Auburn, I wouldn't be too worried.
>
>
>GT
>
>
From: hackett@ocf.berkeley.edu (William Hackett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Super Conference to end East Coast Bias...
Date: 21 Nov 1992 19:07:52 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu




What about UCLA,USC,Stanford,Cal, Texas,Texas A&M,Rice , and Houston
forming a Super Texas California Conference to Dominate The East Coast
in everything.  Acacdemically would be one of the stongest conferences
bar none including Ivy Leauge..  All Schools have a descent Academic
record..  Atheletically With Texas TexasA&M UCLA USC perenally football
powers.  Stanford and Texas womens basketball, baseball,Track, Swimming
and Diving top 5...  UCLA Stanford Texas and Houston Basketball powers

Hey this conference has it all. Then Pac Ten can expand adding a couple
of teams maybe a San Jose St.... SWC can add UTEP and UTSA or maybe 
we just merge whats left of those conferences... 

Texas and Calfornia Team up to End EAST COAST BIAS and create the best
conference in everything :-) Bar NONE!!!







Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Possible #1 vs. #2 matchup in major bowl games.
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 17:28:18 GMT

In article <brewers.722072933@camelot> brewers@camelot.bradley.edu (James Kimble) writes:
>
>As far as I'm concerned, the best matchup would be Miami/FSU, but that
>will never happen because of the fact that there is no alliance with
>an independent and the ACC.  Although, ND/FSU would be a pretty darn
>good game and quite easy to market.

My own personal favorite would be Miami/ND in the Fiesta Bowl, but the
probabilities of that are low.  (Though not as low as they were three
weeks ago . . .)  Barring that, Miami/Alabama sounds like a fine game.
Miami/Texas A&M, on the other hand, does not sound nearly so fine.

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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From: J.M.Crant.1@nd.edu (Mike Crant)
Subject: Florida vs. Vanderbilt
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:11:43 GMT

     What might seem to be a mismatch becomes interesting when you 
consider three factors.  First, the Gators have played very poorly on 
the road this year.  Both losses were away from "the swamp."  Second, the  
Gators haven't won at Vanderbilt in 26 years.  Finally, note that in 
each of the past two years, the Gators had to beat a weak Kentucky team to 
win the SEC and barely escaped with a win each time (although in 90 we 
weren't officially recognized as champs despite having the best record 
because of the sins of the Galen Hall era).  The Gators of the 
past (pre-Spurrier) would probably fold, get upset by Vandy and lose the 
SEC east title.  However, despite all the minuses mentioned above, I think 
Steve Spurrier will have the squad motivated and ready to win the East 
division championship.  Look for the Gator offense to be in high gear, 
although Vandy still will score more points than they should.  I only hope 
the Gators don't allow Vandy to have a chance to win in the 4th 
quarter.  My heart can't take another one like that.  I think the final 
score will be something like Florida 28, Vanderbilt 17. 

       Go Gators.
From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: FSU 1993 Schedule
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:17:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: lgc.1992Nov17.161720.3859
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas

In article <1992Nov17.161628.1511@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
>
>>I believe your correct; however, I do not have the official schedule.  From 
>>what I understand, the Notre Dame games will be at South Bend and at a neutral
>>site, most likely Jacksonville.  Notre Dame refused to play us in Tallahassee.
>>They claim D.C. stadium is too small.  Granted it will only seat 62000+ fans,
>>but I think it would be nice to see Notre Dame come off their high chair and
>>play us in our backyard.  Side note:  it was great to see Notre Dame go for 
>>the win instead of the tie last week unlike Michigan.  Does anybody
>>know if we get to beat up on Michigan in Tallahassee?
>
>
>Thanks for the info Rick.  I can't really buy into Notre Dame's argument that
>Doak Campbell is too small, considering that it will hold 72,000+ with the new
>seats being currently installed.  I think the capacity is at this point up to
>about 67,000 and as a result a new record crowd is expected for the UF game.
>Now I know good and well that Notre Dame had a home and home series with Air
>Force and I doubt their stadium holds as many as FSU's.  I am sure that Notre
>Dame has played on other occasions in stadiums holding less than 72,000.  If
>they came to Tallahassee, Doak Campbell would be packed and national TV would
>be there so money couldn't be cited as a factor.  IMO it is a lack of respect
>for FSU on ND's part.  Same problem with Michigan.  We played at least 2 times
>up there, played them close (but lost) in 1986 and spanked them last year, but
>they refuse to come down to Tallahassee.  At least Michigan State had the guts
>to come down after we pasted them up there, although they said they'd never
>come again.  Something about the heat and humidity being too hard on the northern
>boys.  Okay, I'm rambling.  I can see a slight justification in Michigan, in
>that they can sell 30,000 more tickets for their stadium than FSU can, at what,
>$25 a pop, for an extra $750,000?  But Notre Dame I don't know.  Anybody know
>how many seats they have in South Bend?
>
>D. Head
>FSU '91

Notre Dame stadium holds 59,075.  I think ND must not have wanted to play
in FSU's backyard.  ND usually gets a very ugly reception down south, which
has soured many ND alums from ever wanting to play there again.  (Though,
of course, they've never played at FSU).  I hope this turns into a good
series, meaning that there won't be bad blood like ND has with another
Florida school.  Most ND fans like and respect FSU (though I'm sure they
wish FSU would find Miami's number someday), and I hope ND does
go to FSU's home stadium to play someday.

-- 
Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 292-2357
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tech@maitland.cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Notre Dame vs. Florida State in 1993
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:41:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.153544.23819@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>
>
>I'm kind of surprised that teh Citrus Bowl doesn't try to get at least one game
>played there per year during the regular season.  It would be a pretty good bet
>that they would seel the place out any time they could land one of the Florida 
>teams (Miami, Florida or Florida State - 3.5 if you count Division I-AA UCF!)  
>didn't they get Florida/Mississippi State a year or two ago?  Why was there so 
>little noise made then about Florida refusing to play on the road?
>


They do try to get as many games played there as possible
Both college and pro. Last year I saw FSU and Virginia Tech.
This year I watched a Skins vs Fins preseason game. 

And we do pack them in for Florida teams. Which is why I
wonder what the appeal is for a Big-10 runner up. I mean
who the hell cares what happens to ohio state? Clemson?
Cal? VERY few locals do. I have never been to a Citrus
bowl game for that reason. I don't even watch them on
the tube. 

Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
From: elpwestg@nuscc.nus.sg (West)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Some thoughts
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:10:21 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I'm new to Internet and was really looking forward to reading about
the football season this year. I live in Singapore, about 10,000 miles
away from the nearest game and information is very hard to get. However,
reading this newsgroup has been for the most part a big disappointment.
I'm really saddened by all the animosity generated by college football.
I was hoping to get some commentary of the games, and although there
has been some, mostly what I get is insight into what the British call
football hooliganism. Another painful part about reading r.s.f.c. is
that my alma mater, the University of Michigan, seems to generate a lot
of posts from Bitter and Twisted people whose egos are involved in
college football to a pathological extent. While reading some of these
exchanges I feel myself starting to get caught up in all the negative
feelings and ask myself "If this is what it is like getting involved in
r.s.f.c., who needs it?" I suppose some of the bad feelings can be
attributed to misunderstandings due to the nature of Internet itself,
but I suspect that the majority are the result of General Assholiness.
It's gotten to the point that I skip any postings with the word
"Michigan" in the title. This is not really what I had in mind when I
started tuning in to this news group. I don't mean to flame the entire
newsgroup - there are some postings I enjoy reading (especially the Big
Ten Preview by Peppler) - but for the most part I've had it! I don't
need to read any more articles about how lousy the Big Ten is or how
certain (and glad) that everyone is that Michigan will lose yet another
Rose Bowl. 

So, I'm down off the soapbox now. One final note - every year around
this time I really start to miss living in the States and going to
college football games. Fall in Ann Arbor is (or should I say
"occasionally is") a beautiful time of year and walking to and from the
stadium is one of my fondest memories of the time I spent there. Good
times, good friends, etc. Reading this newsgroup hasn't done much to
rekindle those memories. 

Gerald West
elpwestg@nuscc.nus.sg
"Kindle in all hearts the flame of virtue."  - Tolstoy, War and Peace
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: elfering@socrates.umd.edu (David J. Elfering)
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:05:31 GMT

In article <BxsoAu.GMs@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) writes:
>News-Software: NN 6.4.16
>
>AP
>
>1. Miami
>2. Alabama
>3. FSU
>4. Texas A&M
>
>FSU jumps over Texas A&M, with a blow out with Tulane.
>
>Well the polls MO POINTS rule raises it's ugly head again.  With FSU and
>Bama both playing Florida, it will be a shootout for MO POINTS. The most
>POINTS could get the #2 spot. Both Bama and FSU will be taken out the big 
>stick for Florida.  Florida will not go down without a fight, and Spur's
>throwing his visor many times.
>
>Florida could still win the SEC by beating Bama.  But, right now it looks
>like gator hunting season.
>
>Texas A&M is not happy about the AP polls, but are still in the race.   
>Unless, FSU makes it to #2 and meets Miami in the Fiesta.
>
>One thing for sure the bowl alliance is working.  But, we still need a
>playoff system, this MO POINTS rule sucks.
 Couldn't agree with you more, A&M did nothing to merit a drop like that
in the polls. A W is a W and nobody remember how you did it later on. By
the way, how about the rest of the top 25?....

Dave Elfering
elfering@socrates.umd.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Small college in Penn
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:10:21 GMT


>A while back somebody posted an artcile about a college named Slippery
>Rock.  Does anyone know if there is a team in the same conference that
>starts with the letters "Shippen...." Can't remember the exact name. 
>It's a small college in Pennsylvania.  Also, does anyone have the 
>standings for that conference that they could post or email to me?
>
>Thnks a bunch.
>
>Steve
>
Shippensburg man, Shippensburg.  Great town, I used to live there...
It is like halfway between Gettysburg and Hershey, if my memory serves
me right...  :-)

cmuck  

(*mind wanders*)
we had a spring at our house, and it poured water into a little stoney
brook, and we had a waterwheel..  Those were the days...  :-)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Stanford Bowl-bound
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:11:05 GMT

dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:

>Stanford has had a good first year under Bill Walsh and will
>obviously go to a bowl.  If the beat Cal this weekend (very
                                                        ^^^^      
>likely), they would end up 8 - 3, with loses to Washington, 
 ^^^^^^
>Arizona, and Texas A&M (all very good teams), and probably 
>be ranked in the top 12 (is that stretching it?).  I read a 
>post that suggested that they might get an invite from the 
>Orange Bowl ... is that really possible?  What is the most
>likely bowl match-up for them?

I would _never_ use the words "very likely" in referring to the
outcome of Big Game, particularly in Berkeley.  Keep in mind that
Stanford was 4-5 and Cal was 7-2 (or was it 8-2?) in 1990 when we last
visited Memorial Stadium, and we beat 'em in the most exciting game
ever. :-) (Well, the most exciting game _I've_ ever been to. :-) :-)
Keep in mind that in '86, the last time Cal won Big Game, we were
Gator Bowl-bound, and they were 2-8 or something like that.

So be careful.

Trying not to offend the woofing gods,
Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu

P.S. Not that I don't think we're going to win on Saturday. :-) :-)
BEAT CAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: Re: Olanda Truitt (was: Re: Bama 30, Miss. State 21)
Keywords: Pitt
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:54:11 GMT

kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:

>In article <92321.091038JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>>Olando Truitt--who will
>>continue to make opposing D's miserable for years to come--made
>>a sensational grab in the end zone for MSU's first TD.

>How much eligibility does Olanda (sp.?) Truitt have remaining?  I
>thought he played 2 years at Pitt before transferring to MSU.
>-- 

Unfortunately, Olanda will only have one more year at State.  :-(
The Other great receiver, Willie Harris is gone after this year :-((

David

-- 
               David K. Magee | "Mandrake! Get over here and feed me that  
         MIS Graduate Student |  belt boy.  The Redcoats are coming! "
 Mississippi State University |
          dkm2@ra.msstate.edu |   -  General Jack Ripper, Dr. Strangelove
From: kkc@nursing.arizona.edu (Kee Koon Chua)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: All AP & CNN/USA pollsters, read this
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:15:17 GMT
Reply-To: kkc@nursing.arizona.edu
Organization: University of Arizona - College of Nursing


To all the AP and CNN/USA pollsters:
    Please use some common sense! What have TAMU done to deserve this high 
ranking? They have the SHITTIEST schedule among the top 10 teams. They fact 
that they are still undefeated doesn't mean they are good. Look at their
shit schedules. Who have they played so far?? How many games have you guys
seen TAMU played so far to say that they are good (From Thurs game, they don't
look like a top 25 team to me).
    Again, please use some brain when making a vote. 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: TEXAS aTm - got screwed
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:25:00 GMT

K. S. Manu (manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
: You talked about FSU squeaking by.. How about A&M. They seueaked
: by a Texas Tech by 1 point, the same team which was beaten by
: 35 pts by a not-so-hot OU. They squeaked past a not-so-hot
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^
: stanford by 3 points. They defeated Baylor by 3-points at
  ^^^^^^^^
Boy, you'd better not let any of them trees hear you say this!

: home, the same baylor which lost by 20 pts to Colorado.
: Then recently, they defeated a Houston team by 4 pts which
: was beaten 63-3 by Michigan! Yes, A&M is sure playing like
: a champion.
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: Re: Iron Bowl
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:55:47 GMT

hammekr@eng.auburn.edu (Kenneth R. Hammett) writes:

>I've gotta get a voice of reason in here.  I don`t think there`s any way Bama's offense, whose anaemic performances are surpassed only by Auburn's, could score more than three times on Auburn`s defense.  Except for the offensive powerhouses at LSU and Ole Miss (okay, let's write those off as sub-par games) Auburn`s 'D' has stood up pretty well.  A _good_ quarterback could probably beat Auburn badly on those 20 yard passes the secondary only gives up on third and long, but I don`t think that Barker is



>ar material.
>Having spouted all that, I`ll have to disagree with the student paper here (Auburn 16-14) and say 

>Auburn 15  Bama 14  (both touchdowns scored on interception returns)

Rich, I am so sorry that you have not been warned about disturbing the woof
gods.  I am sure the follow-ups I have yet to read are flames 30 feet high.

Many of us feel pity for the doomed Auburn Tigers.  Rumor has it that the team
voted to forefit the game to avaoid a Thanksgiving day massacre.  "David Palmer
will speed down the field like a tornado for a touchdown, blowing all of the 
AU fans and players from the stadium" (Swanger, 1992).

Maybe the woof gods will have pity on you and forgive you for this sin.

David

-- 
               David K. Magee | "Mandrake! Get over here and feed me that  
         MIS Graduate Student |  belt boy.  The Redcoats are coming! "
 Mississippi State University |
          dkm2@ra.msstate.edu |   -  General Jack Ripper, Dr. Strangelove 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:47:04 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov18.215213.23734@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.173903.16219@u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>>rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>>>Can anyone give me any justification why Michigan is
>>>still ranked ahead of ND in the AP poll?  About the only
>>>significant thing Michigan did this season was to tie ND.
>>
>>Two words:		Bill Walsh
>>Alternative two words:	Stanford Cardinal
>>
>>****************************************************************************
>>Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
>>Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
>>University of Washington      *   water again!
>>Seattle, WA 98195             *
>>****************************************************************************
>
>Here's some more words about UM:
>
>           TIE agaisnt ND
>           Played like crap against Purdue
>           Should have lost against Illinois
>                 ( played for the tie)

One thing to note about the above... Michigan has 2 ties, 1 on the road and
one at home.  Notre Dame has 1 loss and 1 tie, both at home.  Some could 
argue that Notre Dame SHOULD have lost against Penn State, except for the 
great catch...  Besides that, they played like crap against PSU...  And again,
this was at home.  
>           Easy schedule

	Yes, but they haven't lost a game yet...


-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: woofer-flamer flamed fairly frequently
Organization: American Math. Society
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:25:32 GMT


To all Illinois fans that didn't post "nyah-nyah", or "HAHAHAH" or
"fichigan sucks", congratulations on tying Michigan on their home
turf, and beating Ohio State this year.  

To the posters of the above-mentioned articles...well, nevermind.

To the readers of this group who were offended by my flames of the
above-mentioned woofs, sorry.  I'll use e-mail to flame next time.

Future flagrant fervent flames finis.



-Alan Harder
 
These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Why Michigan sucks..
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:19:52 GMT

In article <1eklq7INNh4i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Colucci) writes:

   >Dan, you're the man.
   >I have no respect for anyone who feels the need to tell anonymous
   >SPORTS fans that he is in the mathematical society. What the hell?
   >Is this football or brain-bowl?  That's what I thought.  Michigan
   >blows chunks (and National Championship hopes).  OSU is still the
   >most recent nat. champ from the Big Ten...  I for one am looking
   >forward to a good game tomorrow, despite the fact that Michigan has
   >lost it's competetive drive.


I repeat.  I am not *in*, but work *for* the A.M.S.  It is quite
common to put one's organization in one's .sig file.  Also, a quick
check of the "Organization:" line in the posting header confirms this.
Is this the general reading level of Buckeye fans?  Nah, just the
lower third percentile.  I'm sure the other 97% of *intelligent*
Buckeye fans didn't think I am *in* or *a member of* the A.M.S.

As for a good game, yes, it was a VERY good game, I thought.  The two
defenses were fun to watch.  The condition of the field was kinda
poor, but that's part o' the game.  All in all, M and TOSU look pretty
even this year.  Congrats to the *real* Buckeye fans out there who
know how to read and post intelligently.



-Alan Harder  
 American Mathematical Society 
 Michigan Fan
 Drinker of Anchor Steam 

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