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From: gheim@eng.auburn.edu (Greg Heim)
Subject: Re: Salary History?
Organization: Alabama Department of Tourism (NOT!)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:23:46 GMT

In article <BILLD.92Sep28145403@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM> billd@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Bill D'Camp) writes:
=> In article <BvAu7H.FDH@news.larc.nasa.gov> jka@windshear.larc.nasa.gov (J. Keith Alston) writes:
=> 
=>    In article <92272.102759RICKI@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>, Ricki Dulin <RICKI@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> writes:
=>    |> As a previous Personnel Manager there a good reasons to ask for this
=>    |> information. Don't ever lie - it is almost always grounds for immediate
=>    |> dismissal.
=> 
=>    > Spoken like a true human resources person. I don't want to seem to be
=>    > advocating lying, because I'm not, but how would they ever know that you 
=>    > lied? To my knowledge, employers don't give out current or ex-employees
=>    > salaries to just anyone who calls on the phone.
=> 
=> While they normally won't give them out on the phone, most will
=> respond to a request on company letterhead.  


My dad was asked to supply copies of his W2.  This was of course after he 
lied by a few thousand about his salary :-)  Oddly enough he was still
offered the job.  (No he's not a politician.)


Greg


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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: greg@saltydog.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:14:40 GMT

In <BvFBAK.FB1@world.std.com> ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub) writes:

>I think Bush vetoed the bill because he wants it to be a benefit
>voluntarily given by businesses; he's offering a counter-plan to give
>tax breaks to companies that offer family leave benefits.

>I think companies should provide family leave, but benefits like this
>should be voluntary, not forced either through legislation or
>collective bargaining.  In the long run, far-sighted company
>management would see that such efforts would benefit the company as
>well as the employees (obviously true, but management is not noted for
>its vision).  Forcing companies to comply would simply cause them to
>supply the very minimum possible benefit and still be within the law.

Terry must be a very patient man.  This country has seen a steady*
decrease in the ratio of one's life spent in discretionary time vs. one's
time spent in mandatory labor during the last 150 years.  And, the last four
decades of the period, like the first four, have produced a particularly
distressing acceleration** of that erosion.

Assuming that management gets an enlightenment pill today and
things start going the other way, I still don't have any hope that
it'll happen before I die.  Or before Terry dies.

*There was a temporary reversion during the depression when the average
workweek dropped to 30-35 hours.

* and ** from the _Atlantic_, August 1991, "Working for the Weekend"

greg

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From: sbale@netcom.com (Swamy S. Bale)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: How to answer these contract head hunters
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:39:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct6.163910.11087
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Hi netters,

Here is the scenerio.

I recieve a call from a contract agency person. He introduces himself and
tell me why he called. Later he tells that he has a contract position
available and would I be interested in? What can I say, but yes(off course,
that the kind of job I am looking for). Then immediately he asks me 
how much money I am interested in. I say some range and also tell him that
I can negotiate with that. He reads my resume and asks what Motif stands for
, what SNMP stands for, what is Unix stands for and so on (which tells me 
that he is a high school drop out). Then he tell me that he will send the 
resume to the employer and will call back after as soon as he hear something.

End of scenerio.

My questions are:

1. How they get access to my resume( I never heard of them before).
2. Is this legal for one firm(to whom I have sent my resume) to pass
   my resume to other?
3. Are these contract people are a bunch of scam artists?
4. Does it really helpful to send resume to a contract agency? (I never
   got any call second time from them?)
5. Are these contract agency people technically qualified?
6. Actualy what are they trying to do by calling me, even though they don't
   have any contracts in hand?

Thanks in advance for your answers, suggestions or flame :-)

Swamy
   
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: Eli.Mantel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Eli Mantel)
Subject: Job fairs during 10/92
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:26:50 GMT

Job fairs during 10/92:
 
10/2-10/3	NCC	Charleston, SC
10/5		NCC	Dallas, TX
10/5		NCC	Boston, MA
10/5		CFC	Houston, TX
10/5-10/6	PE	New Jersey
10/13-10/14	PE	Washington, DC
10/19		NCC	Piscataway, NJ
10/19		NCC	Los Angeles, CA
10/19-10/20	WE	Santa Clara, CA
10/26		NCC	Washington, DC
10/26		NCC	Memphis, TN
10/26		PE	RTP/Raleigh, NC
 
The organization sponsoring the job fairs is identified by the following codes:
	CFC	Career Fair Coordinators, 214-462-8807
	NCC	National Career Centers, 914-483-0413 or 800-326-9111
	PE	Professional Exchange, 804-431-0804 or 800-338-4530
	WE	Westech Expocorp, 408-970-8800

The job fairs listed are not necessarily oriented to computer or high-tech jobs.
Please contact the sponsor for details, and before making firm plans.

If you know of other organizations running job fairs, please let me know
so I can include their info in future lists.  Thanks.
					Eli
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From: dlittle@sscvx1.ssc.gov (DENNIS LITTLE)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Contract with F/T option question
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:35:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: sscvx1.28SEP199210353559
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Sep28.093416@ties.bell-atl.com>, df2tg2n@shoes.bell-atl.com             writes...
>Anybody have any opinions or experience related to being offered a contract
>position that can turn into a F/T position?  Specifically, I am referring
>to being told this right up from from a recruiter.  What would be the
>primary motivation for doing this by a company?  I don't know if I should
>be suspicious of this or not.  I have no objection to F/T if the position
>is a good one for a good organization.  E-mail responses please.
> 
>-- 
>    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>             Steve Rosen / Consultant @ Bell Atlantic, Phila, PA
>               {Voice}: (215) 466-2061, {FAX}: (215) 563-0517
>                     E-Mail: steve.rosen@bell-atl.com
> 
>    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I think you'll find that many companies do this... The reason is
that most personnel agencies of any type require that you work for
the given company for 3 months (or more in some cases) before the
hiring company can hire you with no fee to the personnel agency.
It also gives them a chance to see what type of worker you are with
no great loss if you don't work out as you work for the agency
rather than them (ie, no unemployment insurance or anything else
is paid on you by the hiring company until you work for them).

me
From: mtw8527@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Mike Wallach)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Hiring Freeze
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:13:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

Has anyone had an experience where a prospective employer was prepared
to offer he/she a job and a hiring freeze was put into effect?
If so, when the freeze was lifted was the position still offered?


Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Summary: family leave
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:35:07 GMT

In article <BvEsDn.E7q@apollo.hp.com> betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy
Perry) writes:

[lots of stuff deleted]

>George Bush's rationale for vetoing family leave is that workers
>should collectively bargain for it as part of their contracts.  
>This leaves most non-unionized workers (the bulk of the workforce) 
>out in the cold.   My experience in the workforce is that most
>individual workers have *no* power to bargain with employers: any
>request for change is met with "Take it or leave it,"  or, at best,
>with "I'm sorry, we can't make an exception to company policy."  Many
>of us have tried unsuccessfully to change individual employers' minds.
>It seems to me highly unlikely that worker bargaining can be relied
>upon to produce basic worker needs like safety and fair treatment;
>there's just too much power on the hiring side of the table.

[more stuff deleted]

I think Bush vetoed the bill because he wants it to be a benefit
voluntarily given by businesses; he's offering a counter-plan to give
tax breaks to companies that offer family leave benefits.

I think companies should provide family leave, but benefits like this
should be voluntary, not forced either through legislation or
collective bargaining.  In the long run, far-sighted company
management would see that such efforts would benefit the company as
well as the employees (obviously true, but management is not noted for
its vision).  Forcing companies to comply would simply cause them to
supply the very minimum possible benefit and still be within the law.

And, young married women might find it a bit harder to find a job.

T.T.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst")
Subject: Geographic split: proto-formation of RFD 
Distribution: world
Organization: IE Technical Services Holland
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:26:28 +0000


In article <1992Oct1.181531.14633@news.clarkson.edu> russell@sun.soe.clarkson.edu writes:

>
>From article <1992Oct1.155655.7004@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, by> elton@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (elton.huang):
>>
>> I don't see a split is necessary as most of the posters have
>> been following the guideline to put location on the title,
>> users should be very easy to filter those we want to see.
>
>I Agree. But, I would like to see the location be the first bit of
>info. on the subject line.
>Something like,
>   Subject: CA, ...(job description)...         Calif.
>   Subject: NE/USA, ...(job description)...     Northeastern USA.
>   etc..
>would make scanning for appropriate locales much easier.
>IMO, it would be better to set up a list of standard locations.
>I understand there will be conflicts, but these can be resolved.
>This list could the added to (or put in) an FAQ.
>
There is one advantage that could come from the spilt.  A lot of
work outside of the USA is not getting posted to misc.jobs because
employers regard it as being a USA only group.  For instance jobs
in Holland get posted to nl.jobs and in Germany to de.jobs, but
not crossposted.  If a geographic split was made and a European
area set up, this might in time encourage the crossposting from
the limited distribution postings.

One thing though, consideration should be given into splitting
the Europe area into EEC and non-EEC countries.  This can have a
major impact on things like Work Permit requirements.


Nigel
>
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From: prich@monk (Paul Richardson)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: headhunters who specialize in European technical positions
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:40:45 GMT

An associate w/o net access is interested in engineering work over in
Europe, are there any headhunters out there who specialize in placing
EE's in Europe, if so drop me a line, I'll forward the info on

--

/pgr

She's got Jungle Fevah... - Stevie
email: Paul_Richardson@next.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: arjay@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (R.J. Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Organization: Philips Centre For Technology, Eindhoven
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:53:39 GMT

orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich) writes:

>In article <1992Oct2.102544.24569@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> arjay@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (R.J. Kimmel) writes:
>>cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver) writes:
>>
>>>In article <BvFBAK.FB1@world.std.com> ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub) writes:
>>>>[lots of stuff deleted]
>>>>
>>>>I think companies should provide family leave, but benefits like this
>>>>should be voluntary, not forced either through legislation or
>>>>collective bargaining.  In the long run, far-sighted company
>>>>management would see that such efforts would benefit the company as
>>>>well as the employees (obviously true, but management is not noted for
>>>>its vision).  Forcing companies to comply would simply cause them to
>>>>supply the very minimum possible benefit and still be within the law.
>>>>
>>>>And, young married women might find it a bit harder to find a job.
>>>>
>>>>T.T.
>>
>>>And single women too.  Well said, well said.  
>>
>>Women in general do, and will continue to have a hard time in the
>>Business marketplace as long as attitudes continue along these lines.

>Exactly what atitude is that? The attitude that women should be treated as
>interchangeable with men in the workplace, but should be given benefits that 
>men don't need? Somehow this seems to me to be hypocritical and contradictory.

The attitude that women are not as generically desireable in the workplace
as men because they may need more benefits (i.e. time off dur to family)
than men.

Women shouldbe treated as interchangeable with men in the workplace, and
by the same token men should be treated as interchangeable with women.  A
Family/Maternity Leave that is of obvious use to a women should also be
given to a man who may also, though not quite so obviously, need it as well.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander in this case.


R.J. Kimmel

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: russell@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (David Russell)
Subject: Re: Geographic split: proto-formation of RFD
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:15:31 GMT

From article <1992Oct1.155655.7004@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, by elton@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (elton.huang):
> 
> I don't see a split is necessary as most of the posters have
> been following the guideline to put location on the title,
> users should be very easy to filter those we want to see.

I Agree. But, I would like to see the location be the first bit of
info. on the subject line.
Something like,
   Subject: CA, ...(job description)...         Calif.
   Subject: NE/USA, ...(job description)...     Northeastern USA.
   etc..
would make scanning for appropriate locales much easier.
IMO, it would be better to set up a list of standard locations.
I understand there will be conflicts, but these can be resolved.
This list could the added to (or put in) an FAQ.

--
David M. Russell, Mechanical Eng. Dept.
Clarkson University, Potsdam, NY 13676
(315) 268-9806 
russell@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: wlee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee)
Subject: Re: The current economic situation -- what to call it?
Reply-To: wlee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:23:29 GMT


I'd call it a severe labor surplus, structural type.


Walter Lee    wlee@argo.acs.oakland.edu, lee@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us

Keep the Aspidistra Flying!
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: sophie@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Sophie Laplante)
Subject: Looking for TANDEM owners in Chicago area
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:06:29 GMT

A friend of mine, with experience on TANDEM computers,
is looking for a list of Tandem owners in the Chicago
area where he could apply for a job.

Is such a list available anywhere?  


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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 21:34:16 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: what's a nice place? Places in the US
Distribution: usa
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: job, place, high-tech, roller coaster!!

cote@cs.ucsd.edu (Brad Cote) writes:
| mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers) writes:
| 
| >For me, areas like the SF Bay area, Washington DC, and Los Angeles (with 
| >the possible exception of nearby San Diego) are simply out of the question.
| >The combination of *extremely* high cost of living, poor environment, 
| >high crime rate, and similar factors do not (for me) make up for the 
| >loss of job opportunities that I risk.  
| 
| No, No, No! San Diego is *JUST* as bad as L.A! Crime is high, cost is high,
| traffic is high, environment is bad, etc. Don't move here, there are no
| jobs and no future. On top of that, the Chargers and Padres are 
| perrenial doormats.
| 
| 				Brad Cote'
| 				Chairman of KPOSD*
| 
| *Keep People Out of San Diego.

Yeah, but you've got that nifty Giant Dipper roller coaster down there
in Belmont Park....

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From: PNCSPPC@ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Creativity in the sciences
Date: 27 Sep 1992 14:37:25 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

What types of jobs in the scientific and technical fields require the
extensive use of creativity?  I just finished my master's (food science
major/microbiology minor) and I am pondering whether or not to continue for
a Ph.D. (in a different area). Unfortunately, it seems as though much of
the research being done in the life sciences involves a lot of routine work
but only a little creativity.
 
I would like to hear from people who are innovators or inventive
problem-solvers and who have found satisfying careers.  What type of work
do you do?  If you're still in school but pretty certain you've found your
niche I'd like to hear from you too.  Since my Usenet newsgroup access is
variable I'd appreciate replies by e-mail.  Thanks.
 
Phil Calvert
 
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron)
Subject: Re: Cash Prizes for Ideas on Saving U.S. Jobs
Originator: kevin@dubhe
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 13:45:12 GMT


In article <1afjm1INNkmd@overload.lbl.gov>, prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem) writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.151501.9522@informix.com> cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver) writes:
> >
> >I agree, if we can get the rest of the world to go along with our standards
>                     ########################################################
> 
> 	__WHY__ should the rest of the world be made to go along with ...

Ideally, we should go along with the highest standards possible ( and the USA is
not necessarily the best ). 

Refusing to buy goods from countries where the workers are exploited may
encourage their governments to do something about it.

Refusing to buy goods from countries where companies can pollute freely can
only be good for everyone.


Free trade in a global economy makes sense, but the playing field should be
level.


Kev.
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From: bkottmann@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil (Brett Kottmann)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: What to ask the interviewer...
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:31:49 EST
Organization: Logicon Technical Services, Inc.

In article <gheim.920930124704@lab14.eng.auburn.edu>, gheim@eng.auburn.edu (Greg Heim) writes:
> 
> I have a couple of new-at-interviewing questions.  I haven't seen answers
> in the books I have read.
> 
> Q1: When it is my turn to ask questions, what are good things to ask the 
>     interviewer?

	Ask them about benefits.  Ask them about firing/layoff policies (i.e.
do they come in on Thursday and say "tomorrow is your last day, thanx").  Ask
them where the company is headed.  Ask them about major projects.  Etc.  Show
them that you are interested in their company.  Some of this you should already
know (direction, major projects), but if it hasn't come up yet, ask them.

> Q2: What is a good answer for "What benefits are you expecting?"

	Health care.  Stock investment opportunities.  Retirement/pension. 
Good sick leave policies/vacation time.  Family leave time
(babies/illness/death).  Flexible work hours.  Comp time.  Overtime.

Brett--------------------------------------------------------------------------
	"Why the courts don't tell a husband who has been living off his wife
to go out and get a job is beyond my comprehension."--Joan Lunden
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From: mehr@fluke.tc.fluke.com (Manooch Mehr)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: IBM layoff
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:47:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1992Oct6.164717.3006
Distribution: usa
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA






  Hi :                                  10-6-92


    I heard that IBM is planning to reduce its work force by 20000. I would like to know 
    if this rumor is true or not. I would also like to know what percentage of this wrok force are
    software engineers.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.contract,ba.jobs.offered,ba.jobs.misc
From: vaf@Valinor.Stanford.EDU (Vince Fuller)
Subject: Consulting opportunity - statistical analsys/programming
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:51:59 GMT

A family friend, who is also an attorney, is looking for someone with both
programming and statistics experience to help with statistical analsys. He is
working on a racial bias case and has a floppy disk which contains a record of
work assignments for a bunch of employees. Each employee is identified by,
among other things, race, and his office is trying to determine if there is a
correlation between the work assignments (location, type of assignment, etc.)
and the race of the employees. The job would likely involve some programming
and data analysis, since it isn't clear if the data file format is known to
the attorney's office. It will definitely involve statistical analysis to
either demonstrate or refute any correlations.

Interested persons should contact me via email to "vaf@stanford.edu". Note that I will be out of town all next week, so don't be surprised if you don't hear back for a while...

	--Vince