HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: birdman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Christopher Kush)
Subject: Behold, I am a Moria freak!
Keywords: pimply masturbating fools
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:28:20 GMT

Behold, for I have been playing "Dungeons and Dragons" too much!  I will say
moronic things, and spells my threats badly.  I will write unintelligibly!  I
have no life outside the .net!  I have delusions of deep understanding and
vast intellect!  I will work at a dead-end job until I turn forty-five!  Fat,
stupid, and mean, I will convince myself that I am really the Angel of Death,
and go on a killing spree in a mall in suburban Minneapolis, committing
suicide afterwards!  

I can't spell Christianity, but I can hate it!  Therefore, I don't need to
really understand it!  Yessir, I'm a Satan-worshipper, because those
Christians just want to control my mind!  Yessir, I can think for myself!
Can't I?  I can be angry at the Establishment.  Isn't that the same thing as
Free Thought and True Enlightenment?

_________
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_\@_|_._| computer systems / programming, industrial research laboratory
___/____| 1801 maple avenue, evanston, illinois 60201 - 3135
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From: auer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David S. Auer)
Newsgroups: alt.evil
Subject: Re: Pet peeves (was Re: The end?)
Keywords: pet peeves, punctuation
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:05:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Swarthmore College, PA

In article <Bx8484.EBr@rice.edu> dens@owlnet.rice.edu (Dennis Schmitz) writes:
>On 31 Oct 1992 11:51:47 GMT, Eleftherios Gkioulekas said:
Elef> I think it is a wonderful idea.Perhaps you can combine it with a torture 
Elef> where you take your victim's eyeballs off and let it live.Or how about
Elef> killing drug dealers.More over,a rape day wouldn't be bad.

DS>You know, I really fucking hate people who don't use spaces after their
DS>commas and periods.

DS>Are you a lawyer, or what?

I find people who make pointless posts about people's punctuation pretty
annoying myself.

What are all your pet peeves out there?

-dave
Newsgroups: alt.evil
From: hoffberg@medusa.aps.anl.gov (Mike G. Hoffberg)
Subject: Where has this group gone?
Summary: read the whole post
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago Illinois
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:32:16 GMT


What has happened to this group.  A year ago, people had intelligent
things to say, and gave us new and insightful ways to abuse cats.
Now, it seems, all posters want to do is bash religon, is that evil or
just ignorant.

IMHO, this group is becoming a waste of bandwith, becoming just like
rec.games.video, filled with useless posts written by idiots.

MIKE



-- 
Michael Hoffberg               /.\ <Build APS>   ~\   /~  "Jeez, am I the
hoffberg@phebos.aps.anl.gov   // \\ Argonne        \ /     only one who paid
hoffberg@anlaps.aps.anl.gov  //_O_\\ National       |      full price?" F.F.
                            /__| |__\ Lab   Obbyn! _|_ Obbyn!
Newsgroups: alt.evil
From: delisle@eskimo.celestial.com
Subject: Re: shatterstar 3
Organization: Core Dump Pizza Delivery
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:01:24 GMT

	Big deal...
	I am Bentor the pizza delivery man. I may be one of many, 
but you would be surprised
what could be done or added to your home delivery; either in the
kitchen or in our cars on the way to your safe little homes.
	We remember those that call to reorder and did not tip
the last time we came to them.
From: jute@sday.pulp.nullnet.fi (Jussi Kantola)
Newsgroups: alt.evil
Subject: Re: shatterstar 3
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 11:11:28 EET
Distribution: world
Organization: Splattersday

tdodson@hotcity.COM (Tim Dodson) writes:

> >Pointed a video camera at a TV screen and send the image the video
> >camera sees to the TV.  In other words, it's like producing  a picture
> I saw a show on that, some scientists sa that they are ghosts... looks pretty
> fake...but then again...

GHOSTS?!  Give me a break :-).

It's called feedback.  It's got nothing to do with ghosts, poltergeists,
angels, prophecies, clairvoyance, astrology, UFOs, nothing like that.

You can actually represent the chaos-theory with a system alike:
let the camera take a picture of a blank screen.  Then light a match
in the middle of the screen, and see the hurricane of your life.


---wop------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Jussi Kantola    | Internet: jute@sday.pulp.nullnet.fi (jute@gadox.cirion.fi)
 Paltamo, Finland | "See first, think later, then test" -Wonko the Sane
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Newsgroups: alt.evil
From: cyeh@lagrange.uwaterloo.ca (Woody)
Subject: Re: christian assholes
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:40:15 GMT

In article <Yf09pWO00iUxM_jTMk@andrew.cmu.edu> Stephen Alan Sisson <ssac+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I am sick of them
>they can waste their lives away with prayer
	
	and they are snobs!
From: auer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David S. Auer)
Newsgroups: alt.evil
Subject: Re: WOULD GOD HAVE CREATED DEVIL ?
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:20:08 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College, PA

In article <tdodson.1umx@hotcity.COM> tdodson@hotcity.COM (Tim Dodson) writes:
>In article <djstephe.720688097@syzygy>, djstephe@socs.uts.edu.au (88383944 d j
>stephenson) writes:
>>       NO.
>>
>>               God Didn't create evil, or the Devil
>>
>>       You see, God didn't create everything. Some things created 
>>  themselves. That is because God is not all powerful. 
>>
>>       Wake up! 
>>
>>       OF course God created them, if he created everything. 
>>
>>       Yeah yeah hit me with your logical but buts, and try to prove God
>>  is good and pure and does only good things by blaming the Devil for all
>>  the bad stuff he did... and "free will"... and man and original sin.
>>
>>       Wake  up and smell the truth.. that we can, and always have been
>>  able to see things as good and bad, irrespective of whether they are
>>  or not.
>>
>>       If there is any absolute truth, we are not omniscient and cannot see
>>  how everything combines to create (wholly) good in the universe, by Gods
>>  designs. What we can do is make anything seem good or bad, and invent
>>  devils to explain it, and blame them, and try to appease the patheticly
>>  weak concept we have of God.
>>
>>       Your "God" does not exist. You can only imagine a limited model in
>>  your minds. Your Devils do not exist, nor your Heaven or Hell. It is just
>>  what you think it is. What actually is, is beyond you.
>>
>>       Totally beyond you.
>>
>>       Who are you to judge it? judge God, judge the Devil?
>>
>>       Judge for yourself only.
>>
>>
>>
>Well said. Well Done. Greatly Put. God is a biunch of bullshit, have you ever
>noticed that in the middle ages, The pope was power incarnate? waht he said
>WENT!  No questioning. teh religin was made to give preists all teh power, a
>preist could make up any bullshit or somethign about how you were breaking the
>laws of god, untill he gotwaht he wanted out of you.

Actually, I think the Divine only made the evil stuff for the delight of
alt.evilers.  Some other being made the good stuff: the Wimp, or something like
that.

My 2 cents.

-dave
Newsgroups: alt.evil,alt.satanism
From: BF87000 <BF87@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: RE: Pawn takes Rook
Organization: McGill University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:18:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep16.034407.29366@cs.rose-hulman.edu> waldbyjf@nextwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Richard Marx) writes:
writes
>
>God looked up from the board. "Good move, Luce"
>
>For Satan had installed Danzig III.
>
>(Wait for number VII) said the serpent
>
>it's coming soon to a lost world near you.
>--
>I'm gonna stand on top of the world
>and challenge the heavens
>.
>.

Newsgroups: alt.evil
From: cyeh@lagrange.uwaterloo.ca (Woody)
Subject: I HATE GOD!
Originator: cyeh@lagrange.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:01:48 GMT

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 Just want to shut it loud... That fucking god really screw me up.
 
 Anything could go wrong if you spelled dog backwards!!!!!!!
Xref: sparky alt.evil:3017 alt.pagan:12713 alt.magick:5805 alt.satanism:2640 alt.sex:35731 alt.sex.wizards:3521
From: mjl5666@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.evil,alt.pagan,alt.magick,alt.satanism,alt.sex,alt.sex.wanted,alt.sex.wizards
Subject: participant wanted
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:55:40 GMT
Reply-To: mjl5666@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

WANTED- A female in the Rochester area willing to participate in a regeneration
	ritual. The ritual is outside the areas of normally studied or
	practiced magik (older and stronger). It is safe and beneficial for 
	all involved. No knowledge of the magik is needed, I have everything 
	that is required. 

	If interested write ml5666@ritvax.rit.edu before Friday 13 Nov 92.

						Blackfire
From: Robert Abrams <rabrams@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:03 PST
Subject: Re: Virtual Communities/Intentional Com
Nf-ID: #R:1djavkINN342@terminator.rs.itd.u:1685539883:cdp:1337700023:000:197
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!rabrams    Nov 11 14:03:00 1992


I just wanted to comment on the assertion in message 5.3 that
university e-mail is "free".  E-mail is decidedly not free, even
at universities; university e-mail is heavily subsidized.

Bob Abrams
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
Subject: Re: intentional communities
Date: 8 Nov 1992 11:51:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


   I have been checking this newsgroup for several months and
 thought that it was in a state of hibernation....

 I hope more will be reading this, about communities.

 I believe the community idea is very interesting and at
 this point with our economy the way it is in the U.S. and
 elsewhere, it is perhaps a way of survival.

 I have the directory of Intentional Communities and 
 occasionally look through articles on related subjects.
 There is also some discussion currently about communities,
 kibbutzim, etc. on alt.sustainable.agriculture.

 I have been involved in a number of political and environ-
 mental groups over the years and have come to a 
 realization that much of the fundamental ideas of
 the eco-left (or whatever the appropriate term is) can
 only be realized in such a community.
 My personal preference is a work centered community with
 organic farming, other businesses, a true cooperative
 spirit, and some technology (I would like to have
 access to Usenet!!) but appropriate technology where
 possible and affordable, solar, hydro, greenhouses, etc.

 I expect or hope to see a new movement in the near 
 future when people realize they can take their savings,
 move out of the decaying cities, and set up a ==very==
 economical community where it may even be possible to
 reach a point where all basic needs: food, shelter,
 health, informational are met without ==jobs== being
 necessary.  Perhaps the real challenge then will be
 to live fully and happily with neither an employer--
 relationship nor a passive entertainment syndrome
 so common in the cities.  I am saving my resources
 and making such a plan though I admit I am still in
 a city with several large libraries so I can pursue
 my research writing projects.


-- 
Capt. Kirk: let's head for that planet, third from the sun, it
            looks promising.... |-)
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
From: BARANSKI@veamf1.nusc.navy.mil (Jim Baranski)
Subject: Are There Mailing Lists on Communities/Co-Housing?
Organization: Naval Underwater Sound Center, New London CT
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:17:24 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

Are There any Mailing Lists or other Net Resources dealing with Co-Housing or
Communities?

James Baranski            | It's Not Easy Keeping Vaxen Working ...  Underwater!
Vax Systems Analyst       | BARANSKI@VEAMF1.NUSC.NAVY.MIL 203-440-6510, 889-4968
Lanman Hill, Norwich CT   | Be: Thoughtfull, Honest, Yourself, Happy
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
From: berardo@ug.cs.dal.ca (Troy Berardo)
Subject: COOP students...
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:47:38 GMT


	If there are any coop students out there, or if you happen to
	know of any, that are looking for a place to live here in
	Halifax, I know of a great place that is available almost
	immediately.  This place is in a great location, like a five
	minute walk to Dalhousie campus, same to Saint Mary's, and a
	two minute walk to the downtown area where many of the coop
	jobs are.  It's a two-bedroom apartment (the other tenant is
	a 22 year old female in her 3rd year of nursing), and the rent
	is ONLY $285/month plus utilities which run around $40 in the
	winter.  The nursing student is staying in the apartment but
	my friend is the one moving, and its great for coop students
	because the lease is up in april, and can be extended if
	needed.  Please let anyone that might be interested know about
	this place and any replies can be made through me at the above
	e-mail address, and I will forward them.  If anyone knows of a
	better news group to post this on, could they please forward it.
					Thanks,
						Troy

Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
From: finneyk@seanews.akita.com (Ken Finney)
Subject: Re: intentional communities
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:21:23 GMT

> 
> It's a curiously American phenomenon that people take advantage of
> the many benefits of the city while simultaneously saying that
> they are past their time.  Cities have for millenium proven to
> be the most energy efficient, humanizing, environmentally sound
> forms of human habitation.  Why don't you spend half of your 
> energy trying to improve your city before you propose to develop
> more space?  You'll benefit far more people with far less energy
> and environmental degradation that way.
> 
> KC

I don't think it is just an American phonomenon, but Abbie Hoffman
said it best "Don't destroy the system, just steal from it everything
we can use!"

--
[] SEANEWS [] Seattle Public Access Usenet News + Mail [] +1 206 747 NEWS []
finneyk@seanews.akita.com
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
From: blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark )
Subject: Re: intentional communities
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 19:58:39 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Mike E. Romano writes:
>
> I expect or hope to see a new movement in the near 
> future when people realize they can take their savings,
> move out of the decaying cities, 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sorry, I start to strongly disagree with you here.  Everyone
seems to think they are doing this already, but they call 
their utopia a suburb.  If the city is decaying, why not rebuild
on the ruins?  This has more environmental merit than what 
you are proposing.

> I am saving my resources
> and making such a plan though I admit I am still in
> a city with several large libraries so I can pursue
> my research writing projects.

It's a curiously American phenomenon that people take advantage of
the many benefits of the city while simultaneously saying that
they are past their time.  Cities have for millenium proven to
be the most energy efficient, humanizing, environmentally sound
forms of human habitation.  Why don't you spend half of your 
energy trying to improve your city before you propose to develop
more space?  You'll benefit far more people with far less energy
and environmental degradation that way.

KC
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 8 Nov 1992 12:19:39 CST
From: <U60262@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
Subject: Re: Virtual Communities/Intentional Communities
Distribution: world

I think your linking of this medium we are using to communities is insightful:
November 1st during the evening, Wisconsin Public Radio aired a piece on
intentional communities, including a segment in which a folklorist who is
studying the phenomenon of electronic bulletin boards as community was inter-
viewed.  The interviewee relayed interesting anecdotes and observations.  I
did not tape this show, but I did make a point to remember that it is available
for a price ($12) by calling 1-800-747-7444, and I believe it is tape #1101-b.
I'm sorry I don't remember the name of the person being interviewed or know
the station broadcasting (I was just passing through Wisconsin that day).
From: Robert Abrams <rabrams@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
Date: 08 Nov 92 06:08 PST
Subject: GreenStar Grand Opening a success
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1337700022:000:314
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!rabrams    Nov  8 06:08:00 1992


I just wanted to let the folks who read this conference know that
the GreenStar Cooperative Market had its official grand opening
event in our new store.  It was packed from just after we opened
at 10 in the morning to when I left at around 5:30.  Things are
definitely looking up.

Bob
ZKIX@VAX5.CIT.CORNELL.EDU
From: U60262@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
Subject: Communities & Land Use
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:32:52 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I appreciate M. Clark's valuing of natural habitat as well as the personal
steps taken to consume resources more slowly.  I think, too, that intentional
communities, whether urban or rural, can contribute to the natural Earth's
well-being by protecting surrounding lands and even returning previously
exploited lands to a more natural state.  I have an example in mind, that
of a cooperative that purchased about one half a square mile of land in rural
West Virginia from a timber compainy that had clear cut the forest there.
Today, most of that land is not imposed upon by people, but is returning
with help to forest.

Here where I live in central Illinois, most of what we call "country" is farm
land, land being used for the agricultural industry.  Apart from the river
valleys and forested southern parts of the state, Illinois was covered with
tall grass prairie and marshes, before the steel plow and the laying of drain
tiles.  The soil here is very rich, not least because of pre-agricultural
habitat.  If I were going to live in an intentional community on the Illinois
plains I would hope to replant and encourage prairie species and give land
back rather than take more away from Nature.  I am not convinced (as Mr.
Clark may be?) that rural dwellers ncecessarily damage more natural habitat
than do urban dwellers; granted they may be in a better position to do so,
but by the same token, rural inhabitants are in a better position to restore
natural habitat.

In any case, the choice to move from city to country and the choice to
live co-operatively certainly can be independent choices.  We know that
co-ops happen in urban, suburban, and unurban places.  Also, as has been
mentioned elsewhere in this conversation, city to country movement is pro-
pelled by phenomena besides co-operativity.     To sum this note up:  I
would weigh the physical site of an intentional community not so much as an
obstacle to living lightly as the setting for a group of people with needs
and contributions who want to live together.
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
From: sanders@iitmax.iit.edu (Greg Sanders)
Subject: Re: intentional communities
Summary: Cities are MORE efficient
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:54:47 GMT

In article <CmB=d!B@engin.umich.edu> blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark ) writes:
>Mike E. Romano writes:
>>Specific point:  Mr. Clark states that moving out of the
>>city to start a community is .... essentially the suburbs.
>>That's hardly relevant.  There is no consciousness among
>>suburbanites per se, concerning environment or community,
>>merely more material comforts within commuting distance, etc.
>
>My point is that you don't seem to have much environmental
>concern either, or you'd be against more people moving out to
>more countryside to produce more communities.  Mr. Clark is
>simply against attempts to convert more natural habitat for
>human use, whether from yourself or from suburbanites.

I think a thread running through this discussion is city bashing.
I offer this thought to chew on: the pollution in cities is not
primarily a matter of city residents but rather of industry and
especially in the case of air pollution it is a matter of all the
suburbanite commuters who work in the city but drive rather than
live there.

>>Finally, it is important to be specific.  Mr. Clark states
>>that the cities have always been great models of environmental
>>efficiency, liveability, etc....yet environmentally it is
>>well nigh impossible to live and work in a city and 
>>significantly curb one's pollution.
>
>I ride my bike to work everyday, the gas for my heat comes
>from an efficient pipeline grid, my electicity comes from an
>efficient power grid that in the near future could get 
>electricity from solar, geothermal, or wind energy.  Due to
>the proximity of shopping, entertainment, education, and 
>employment, I have no need for a car.  My recycling is efficiently
>collected and we do our own composting.  In the near future
>I will be able to telecommute to work, saving even more
>resources.  If you can't find ways to curb your personal pollution
>you aren't trying very hard.

This is the heart of it all.  It is much like people sharing a
house naturally reduces the per-capita energy consumption and
naturally makes it easier to organize proper recycling etc.
It is the NON-CITY dwellers who pollute more on average and who
use more energy.  The nascent ability to telecommute is also
more of an urban phenomenon, due to enough demand to economically
justify the expense of more capable data-transmission infrastructure. 
One should not confuse the "green grass" feel of non-urban areas
with questions of ease of living "green" and with actual per-capita
pollution and energy use.  How may suburbanites do NOT own
a car, for example???

                      -- Greg Sanders


Xref: sparky alt.co-ops:251 alt.sustainable.agriculture:182
From: kingdon@east-wind.org (Jim Kingdon)
Subject: Re: Are There Mailing Lists on Communities/Co-Housing?
Organization: East Wind Community, Tecumseh, Missouri, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:28:57 GMT

BARANSKI@veamf1.nusc.navy.mil (Jim Baranski) writes:

   Are There any Mailing Lists or other Net Resources dealing with
   Co-Housing or Communities?

As far as I know, none exclusively devoted to those subjects.  They
come up with some frequency on this group (alt.co-ops,
co-ops-request@east-wind.org as a mailing list), and as far as I know
no one has gotten flamed for being off-topic, so unless there seems to
be a need for separate groups, I would think that for now this would
be an appropriate place for such things.
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops,alt.sustainable.agriculture