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From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: Re: Tibet (Re: A few questions for President Bush)
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 14:33:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.120633.11490@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>goldfarb@cernvax.cern.ch (steven goldfarb) writes: 
>> Tibet isn't a "country?"  Hmmmm.  What exactly is it, then?  I mean, what
>> is this tract of land that the Tibetan people have been living and dying on
>> (perhaps more of the latter in recent years) for thousands of years?  And
>> what exactly do you consider to be a country?
>
>A country is the territory of a nation with an independent government.
>The word "country" here obviously is not to be confused with the "country"
>in "country music".  The word has many usages, but as long as you don't
>confuse Tibet with "a nation with an independent government" or "a nation that
>should have an independent government", I guess no one would be arguing
>with you, right?  :-)

The proper term fora sovereign entity such a China would be 'state'.
A state may comprise many 'nations', of which Tibet is clearly one.
>
>dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
>


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From: rxwu@oberon.com (Richard X. Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Prof. Fang Li-Zhi about oversea Chinese students returning to China
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:40:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: iago.RXWU.92Apr8154042
Organization: Oberon Software Inc; 1 Memorial Dr; Cambridge, MA 01242

In article <9394@riscsm.scripps.edu> jzzhang@scripps.edu (Jimmy Z. Zhang) writes:
Path: spdcc!das-news.harvard.edu!ogicse!network.ucsd.edu!scripps!scripps.edu
   From: jzzhang@scripps.edu (Jimmy Z. Zhang)
   Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
   Date: 8 Apr 92 04:40:21 GMT
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   Last night, Prof. Fang Li-Zhi gave a public lecture at UCSD about science
   and politics in China.  During the question session, I asked him about:
   Recently Deng welcomed oversea Chinese students to return to China.  What
   Prof Fang will think about it and what he would expect the safety of the
   oversea students if they do return.  I think he raised a good point when
   answering my question (not in exact words): if the Chinese government is
   really sincerely welcoming oversea students to go back to China, they
   should have released those jailed students and dissidents.  Otherwise, how
   can the oversea students be sure about the government's sincerity, when
   those who have the same opinions and political views as oversea students
   are still in prison.

   -- Jimmy

   P.S.  No flame please.
   P.P.S.  Though I think Prof. Fang raised a good point on above question, I
   don't totally agree with all of his points, such as some political views,
   his interpretation of some social and political phenomena, and his (or as he
   claimed, his friend's) prediction that after the central government becomes
   weakened or collapsed, the Chinese people will go to make money and war(s)
   between armies (like former USSR) will be unlikely.

Since I read some article posted in World Daily discussion section, I
really lost the respect of Prof. Fang. I had a feeling that whatever
he said is beautiful and right on the point (sometime -:)), but
unfortunately what he did is ....

I agree that it is not safe at all to go back to China now, even the
goverment says the country needs us badly. I just have a friend who
went to China and didn't allow to come out. But I am confused with
what Prof. Fang said, in one hand, he worried about the sincerity of
current Chinese government, on another hand, he worried about if the
government loose their control, the chinese would fight each. So what
is his point? What will he do if he is in power now? Politics game is
not easy. It is true both in China and America, does everybody satisfy
with current situation in US now? 

--rxwu
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From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Death of A Monk
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:27:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.061027.25776@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.035233.948@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
><
>The US government has always treated Tibet as part of China.  British
>and Russian imperialist attempts in the first half of the century to
>detach Tibet from China were time and again frustrated by American
>opposition.  Attempts to have the UN intervene in the dispute between
>the Beijing government and the followers of the Dalai Lama were rejected
>in~1950 and thereafter.  The American position on this issue is seen as
>fair and wise by most Chinese, whether they live in the mainland, Taiwan,
>or elsewhere, and whether they are anti-Communist or pro-Communist.
I have to admit U.S., comparing with other Western powers, was more fair in world politics. I remember 
I read from history book that after WWI, U.S. objected, though failed, giving ShanDong province to Japan
in after-war peace talk in france.
I guess U.S.'s colony experience made her closer to those being deprived, thought U.S. never gave up, or
stopped persuing herown interests, not even for the principles U.s. believed. 
>-- 
>Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
>horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
>203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
>ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!


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From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Re: Flood Donation
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:12:52 -0500

In article <1992Apr16.204611.11778@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> 
dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>>> ..
>>>That still hasn't answered the question. If you don't know, say don't know.

Did anyone, including your honest, say "don't know" ???   Is this a SCC
pre-condition in order to qualify to say something/anything ??? :-)

>This has nothing to do with SCC.  You still hasn't said that you don't know
>the answer.  If you know from somewhere else, but don't want to reveal it
>on SCC, say "yes but no", if you simply don't know and don't want to know,
>say "no and no", if you don't know and want to find out, say "no but yes".
>Not saying yes you know does not mean that you don't know.  :-)

Isn't it everyone's right to choose something other than "yes" or "no" 
or any combinations of "yes" and/or "no" ?? :-)  No matter what's on 
that person's mind :-)  :-)

>You sounded like IFCSS paid off your BJLZAM with the flood donations to

Who paid you to say this??  :-)  :-)

What's next you are going to say?    IFCSS used the flood donation money
to pay me though it's on the edge of bankcruptcy ???   :-)  :-)

>shut him up.  (Does Eddie get paid also?)

Care to elaborate SCC *WHO* paid Eddie?  It can't be IFCSS since the
info Eddie posted on SCC is very negative to IFCSS, so, according to
you reasoning, it must be CCP who paid Eddie???  :-)  :-)

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From: doc@ecepck.ece.arizona.edu.local (doc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Re : Train from Naking ...
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:34:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecepck.9204170334.AA12021


In article <zzuo.703470231@pv7424.vincent.iastate.edu>, zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> One of my friends in Guangdong survived more than 10 times . Maybe he is luckier .
|>   I didn't feel stange , Every Time I saw him alive .
|> Another friend risked three or four times in little planes from Hubei to Nanking (?),
|>   he is happily with his family .
|> Still other two students here were alive ( at least two hours ago ) , after they
|> had the experiences of taking the plane in China more than 20 times , and 6 times
|> respectively .

    My unlucky friend died in the crash in ChongQing. 

    Most notorious airplanes in China are "An 24" and "An 1X". Do try
to avoid those airplanes. They constitute 50% of crash in China.
They are old Russian made airplanes.
From: byang@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Bin Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Xue4 ran2 de lyu4 ka3 (Re: 6.4 red card is blood abuse)
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:15:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.174514.15380@cs.yale.edu>, horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
> In article <1992Apr15.143046.27598@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, kniaz@cat6.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz) writes:
> 
> <       If the Protesters really had
> <	"beaten up (and even killed) policemen" _before_ the crackdown,
> <	it would entirely change my perspective.     If you can provide 
> <	a reasonable source for this information, I will have no choice
> <	but to agree with you completely (god forbid  ;>).
> 
> Well, then, I'll give this matter high priority!  I don't have a source
> to hand but will try to dig one up in the next couple of days, time
> permitting.
> 

I guess Scott has learned a thing a two from his own experience. Although 
this matter has been set to high priority, he can easily escape criticism 
from other people if he does not come back with the promised item: "I did 
not have any time!"

Now I call that SMART.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 12:00:40 EDT
From: <CHENJC@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: It Is Time To Defend Li Peng, China's Hardworking Premire.
 <7APR199220452447@zeus.tamu.edu>

In article <7APR199220452447@zeus.tamu.edu>, student@chinese.edu.usa says:
>
>Li, Peng has been known for a long history of stupidity and
>supress of inteligent.  June 4th is only a turning point for
>the whole world to realize him.
>
>Another thing, I never read any post from you condamn Li,
>Peng.  It has always been the opposite.

   But, there is no need for you to hide your true identification,
   including your school (is it TAMU) anyway, if you thought you
   were telling truth:-)
   Well, never mind, have fun!

   JC
From: ly@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Liqun Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Vancouver
Date: 11 Apr 92 10:19:01 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

Hi, folks. We several people might go to Vancouver for a view-seeing this summer. 
I am wondering is there a place like "LianYiHuai", so we can stay for, say, two or
three days. Thanks.
From: lic@physics.usc.edu (Li Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Info on small private business in China
Date: 13 Apr 1992 16:53:11 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr13.170956@IASTATE.EDU> kai@IASTATE.EDU (Kai Sun) writes:

>It is a topic well worth discussion.
>	Issues:
>	  Is this just fissible?
>	  government rules on renting a house or site;
>	  government rules on tax;
>	  government attitude toward me (J-1 to F1, no political backdoor
>	    relations)
>	  U.S. government rules on F-1 students investing in my homeland;
>	  U.S. government rules on teh investment tax;
>	  where do I go to get permission, what is the processure;
>	  Issues you think important but not mentioned above.
> 
	These are questions that I am interested in too. Right now let me
try to answer to best that I understand.
	This is fissible. The problem is how to register your company. You can
regiester you company entirely in China, or both in US and in China. If
you registere in China, your busness is an individul business. And as
you probably know, that is not favoured by Chinese policy. You will have
no problem rent a house or hire people. But you have to paid stiff tax.
Most individual business escape from tax. But that also limit the size of
your bussness. You may resgister a company in US. Then register again in
China as foreign investment. Then you are favoured and there are all kind
of benefit (the best in the world) to let you grow if you don't want to
mail your profit out. If you want to mail your profit our, the only way is
be able to export some of your product, the so-called foreign exchange
balance theory. If you have a registered company here, the atitude of Chinese
govenment toward you (either J-1 or F-1) wouldn't even show up as an issue.
Because you use the name of your company, not yourself.
	If you registed a company here and you mail your profit our, you will
have to pay tax in US. So you will have to leave your profit entirely in
China if you don't want to pay uncle Sam. Further, since you are an F-1 or
J-1, although it is perfect OK for you to own a company here, you are not
allowed to 'work' in your company. In other word, you can not let company
pay you for your time. So if you want to have profit from US operation,
you will have to employ at least 1 US legal employee.
	Finally, how to register a company. That is simple. You go to your
county clerk to file an application. Then put up an public anoucement on a
newpaper. you may have to pay $50-$100 for all these. You also get a tax
number for your business. You open a business account in a bank. And that is.
A company is legal person (not real person). You can imaging that he has 
account and has to pay tax. But there is no actual person there. Transfer
money between your business account and your personal account may be
subject to tax. Anyway, enough confusion isn't it. Just using the legal
person concept to think logically and you may understand better.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wlin@byron.u.washington.edu (Wei Lin)
Subject: Re: Qing1 Ming2 Festival
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:02:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.185413.26589@unixg.ubc.ca> wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang) writes:
>>
>> DON'T FORGET THOSE DIED ON JUNE 4TH OF 1989!
>> 
>
>When is Qing Ming.  What calender do we follow, Sun or Moon?
>What date was meant in that Tang poem?

Contrary to popular thought, the Chinese calendar is not a lunar one,
even though it is often called as Lunar Calendar.

It's a system depending as importantly on the sun as on the moon's
motion. The month is determined by the moon, while the year and 24
jieqi are determined by the sun. Chun Fen, Qiu fen, Xia Zhi, Dong Zhi
are special days on western calendar too.

Qing Ming is the jieqi after Chun Fen, which is always (could be off
by one day) on April 5, western calendar day. Chun fen is the point
where the sun and earth are in such a position that the day and night
lengths are equal.

Lin Wei, wlin@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Immigrate to Mexico!  (6.4, green card, freedom, money, et al.)
From: kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:42:30 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973

1.132338.11636@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>  I know someone personally who went to
>Mexico from China and didn't want to go back.  Of course he'd like to come
>to the US, but Mexico ain't bad either.  Obviously if you are in the US,
>you don't want to immigrate to Mexico. 

  Why not?  First, you have less chance of begin drafted and killed
  in war in Mexico.  Secondly, if you are a business owner, you can
  hire workers much, much more cheaply.  Third, taxes are less than
  1/2 of USA rate.  Fourth, houses are cheaper and you can live in
  the very best neighborhoods.  Fifth, there are few highly educated
  people to compete with for jobs.  Sixth, Mexico has many more 
  easy, beautiful women.  Seventh, spanish is a more beautiful
  language than english.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu)
Subject: Re: SCC Unsolved Mystery.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:02:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.180536.11036@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, xiao-lin li <xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
|> 
|> First I am not a D-F. We are people!

Now seems D-F is bad word. Good.


|>  I can forgive him as a son-in-law
|> of Li Peng. You and I might not be able to do that in his
|> position.

Son-in-law of Li Peng is not a crime.  Why you forgive him?
From: yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh)
Subject: 6.4 red card is blood abuse (Re: 6.4, green card, freedom, money,)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:24:34 GMT

In article <54332@hydra.gatech.EDU>,  ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR SIGING WEI)
wrote:

You have your freedom to get your green card, but not thru 6.4 blood.  Period.

6.4 green crad is blood abuse!

shannon
-------

+Before you people jump onto this subject, please calm down and 
+see if my statements make sense.
+
+First, my observation is: (some) people are too narrow
+minded, please allow the other people FGNC, if else
+find a way to work for their own benifit, let them.
+We are only human, NOT GOD, we do work for ourself
+(so do you), that's how we survive.
+
+Second, my understanding: if someone claim something is
+all good/bad with no exception, I tend to believe that
+this someone is either 1. lying for some reason, or
+2. really stupid.
+
+So... 
+if you want to say the Chinese Government is good,
+you might have a point on the good things they do; but
+if you claim that there is nothing wrong.... let me
+quote what the Communist Party's own statement,
+"the greatness of our party lies with its ability to correct
+its own mistake", at least they are not as hot about 
+themself as some netters are.
+
+So be fair to the rest, please.
+
+Wei
+
+
From: xiaoyu@grumpy.SSC.GOV (Xiaoyu Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: "Revolutionary Modern Beijing Opera" Songs Available for FTP
Keywords: Li Tie-Mei and Yang Zi-Rong
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:41:56 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory

In article <1992Apr8.194604.29932@rigel.econ.uga.edu>, jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Jialin) writes:
> In article <1992Apr6.182737.904@sunova.ssc.gov> xiaoyu@grumpy.SSC.GOV (Xiaoyu Li) writes:
> >
> >Hi, guys! Here is something that fits the "Culture"
> >category of this newsgroup. :-)  If, and only if :-)
> 
> I just played the Yang Zirong, and it scared the hell out
> the students in the hallway. 

The effect is expected. :-) With such a great spirit
of "proletariate revolutionary heroism", Yang Zi-Rong's
laugh will certainly scare all the devils back to the hell. :-)

For your information, the song is sung by Guan1 Huai2 of
Shanghai. The laugh is the most thrilling part, full of
whole spirit. I happened to listen to a tape of some 3rd-class
singers from Guangdong's SEZ with a disco rythem, which
really "turned my stomach up-side-down", like you hear
the piano blasphemy of Richard Clyderman to Beethoven's
symphonies.

-- 
Xiaoyu Li
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From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: China's Education Expenditure
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:34:56 GMT
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
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In article <1992Apr12.175345.4014@ulowell.ulowell.edu> 
cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

   In article <31596@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jzhang@sdcc3.ucsd.edu writes:
   >(Note: followup-to soc.culture.china) 
   >
   >
   >Table 4 gives a vivid picture of the shrinking role of China's central
   >government in the economic activities of the nation, as a result of
   >the decade of economic reforms. Despite being known as the world's
   >largest socialist/communist country, the percentage of total government
           **********************
   >expenditure/GNP in China is even lower than that in the U.S., 
    ***********************************************************
   To most people, "socialist/communist", especially "communist" is 
   irratating words. They have been discredited. There is no way China 
   can be slassified as "communist" country. But the Westers still keep 
   calling China a "communist", simply because China used to be a 
   communist country, and China did not yeild  Westen bully like USSR 
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   did, China now have thier own agenda to reform her system, not to copy 
   ^^^

For Pete's sake.  Give me a break!  I suppose 25 years of military 
spending to the tune of 20% of the Soviet GNP constitutes 'yielding to 
the bullying of the West'.  Because that, and a system based inherently 
on the KGB, is what brought the USSR to the crisis that Gorby inherited.  

Please do not get your 'facts' exclusively from the People's Daily, OK?  

   from West. Maybe , China should accuse U.S.A having too much of state 
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   control over its economy, calll U.S. a "socialist" country.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now _that_ is a charge with a certain degree of merit!  

   What a odd world!
   >not to say the former USSR. From this table, we can see that
   >Zhenqin Li
   >jzhang@sdcc3.ucsd.edu

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From: John Nides, Louisa Coen <asia2@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:34 PDT
Subject: Re: Not A Funny Joke: Defend Li Peng...
Nf-ID: #R:1992Apr9.091346.21172@bronze.ucs:1264957530:cdp:1472500007:000:467
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!asia2    Apr 10 22:34:00 1992


In Response 6 of this topic, Zhu Yuchen attempts a joke when he
says: "I personally don't like [Li Peng]... partly because he
looks like a fag to me :-)."  
  
Even in jest, please do not use the word "fag" as a term of derision,
or to imply that you wouldn't like someone because he was gay, or 
that you wouldn't like someone just because he *looked* gay to you.
How do you know what a gay person looks like, anyway?  Please
be more sensitive.  An American reader.

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