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From: emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: RE: My opinion about Khun Chuan.
Date: 13 NOV 92 15:10:35 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

        Some years ago when Chuan was the minister of Agriculture and
Cooperative, many seniors oficers in the ministry complained about
his administration that he daree not to make any decision.  No progress
during his time, because he always meeting meeting and meeting,not make
a decision. This was what Chuan style, dare not make decision.
        Now come the time he becomes the head of Thailand. It is pitty
that he should use this opportunity during the May is still every one's
mind to do something important, such as eradicate the root of military
influencing in democracy, but he didn't. So far, I can't see any improvment
Look at the amnestry issued by Sujinda, he dudn't do any thing with it to
show justice for those who lost their lives.  So as I said before, don't
expect too much.
        Bunlur
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: tockgae_@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Suwanvanichkij)
Subject: Re: Post Nov 10: Tribunal rules Amnesty decree still has effect
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:44:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.050246.24558@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> anuchit@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul) writes:
>
>I have no degree in law but I believe that any law has no
>meaning if interpreted lierally without taking into consideration
>the spirit of the law.  The spirit of the Constitution is 
>to benefit the people not to protect the goverment which abuses 
>its power.  The exectutive decree is certainly not intended to be used 
>as a means for the goverment to free itself from any wrongdoing.
>Any interpretation of a law which is against the spirit of
>the law, no matter how literally accurate it is, is unacceptable.
>
	I don't have a degree in law either but the Thai constitution has
never been to benefit the people.  It has always been to benefit the group
in charge.  The present constitution was written pretty much by the 1991
coup group and there are many clauses that benefit them directly.  I am sure
that the executive is not meant to free the government from wrongdoing but I
am sure it was deliberately written into the constitution vaguely as to be
open to various interpretations.  The bottom line is that the Thai
constitution is not and has not been a document worty of respect since there
is really no spirit of the people embodied within; it too often is just used
to consolidate power.  

Vit

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: The Quality Pinnacle Hotel
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: hotel, layover, Thai Air
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:41:00 GMT

In article <ac05.720994600@sol>, SB                                        writes...
>Hi!  I'm taking Thai Air to India this December and I'm staying overnight
>in Bangkok.  My travel agent has given me reservations at the Quality Pinnacle
>Hotel, instead of the Airport Hotel.  Has anyone there heard of the Quality
>Pinnacle?  Is it a decent hotel?  Is it in the city or in the suburbs somewhere?
> 
>I would greatly appreciate any information you could provide me.  I don't
>read this newsgroup very often, so please E-mail your responses.
> 
>Thank you in advance.
> 
>SB
>ac05@sol.acs.unt.edu
> 

I expect your travel agent gets a bigger cut from the QP than the Airport Hotel
The latter is grossly overpriced and while i don't know the QP I'm quite sure
it is also.  If you told us where it is, then there are many people who could
tell you whether or not it is near or in the city.  I would be VERY dubious
about any hotel calling itself the quality anything, but it is probably
okay and probably a ripoff.  Tell us how much you're being charged.

Laurence


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From: noi@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Nittida Nuansri)
Subject: Re: New arrests in Thai flesh trade scandal 
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:21:37 GMT

jdcarmack@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:

>Anyone else interested?

I am.

nittida
From: kxc@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Khuanchai Chooboonraj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Nov 4: Tribunal postpones decision on decree
Date: 7 Nov 1992 01:25:27 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

>In article <9211031639.AA27720@ipied.tu.ac.th>, kamol@ipied.tu.ac.th (Kamol Hengkietisak) writes...
>> 
>>THE Constitution Tribunal yesterday failed to decide at its first 
>>meeting whether those involved in the May unrest could be 
>>prosecuted after Parliament rejected the Amnesty Executive Decree.
>> 
>>He said that if the tribunal ruled the amnesty was binding, then 
>>all those charged and others involved in the May incident would be 
>>immune from legal action.
>> 
>>He said the tribunal ruling was final and must be respected 
>>without objections from any side.
>> 

>What nonsense - is this democractic?
>> 
>>The rebel MP claimed the Government already knew how the tribunal 
>>would interpret the decree -- that all involved could not be 
>>prosecuted.
>> 

>Without doubt he is right.

>>"It is all right to express one's opinion but he (Mr Piyanat) must 
>>be careful of his words," Gen Chavalit said.
>> 
>Chavalit threatening as usual.

>>He said the Government did not intend to avoid taking legal action 
>>against any suspects but the Amnesty Decree had made them immune 
>>from prosecution.
>> 
>I gather then Chavalit too knows what the tribunal are going to decide.

>After reading this and other recent postings re. the Amnesty issue, I 
>have lost all respect for the new Thai government.  It is the same old
>crooks up to the same old tricks, and getting away with it in the same
>old way.  One step forward and three back, as usual

As I posted 3 weeks ago before I went on my Kathin trip that no one will be
prosecuted by this government. There were too many things behind the scene
that always ensure that no one will be in any real troubles. Thai politics
are always smart and won't do anything to limit their options. Actually,
a lot of ppl (in Thailand) I talked to, they didn't concerned much about
this matter because they don't want to waste their time as they know that
Thai politic is always very hard to follow. Some of them said that those
ppl who died shouldn't even be out there protesting the government.
Major-Gen Chamlong should tried to resolve the matter in the parliament not
on the street. That is why Major-Gen. Chamlong lost about 10 seats in BKK.

rgds,
kc

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From: saha@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Pronab Saha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: The e-mail adress at AIT is the following.
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:44:59 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



Hi,

For those looking for an address in AIT, try the following one.

postmaster@cs.ait.ac.th

The postmaster will generally answer any specific questions you have.


Pronab.

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From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Post Nov 9: PDP to submit Governor election bill
Date: 9 Nov 1992 13:54:38 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


PDP to submit bill for governor elections
DESPITE opposition from other coalition parties, Palang Dharma is 
to forward to the Government's parliamentary coordinating 
committee a bill seeking the election of provincial governors.
 
PDP spokesman Sutham Saengprathum said yesterday that the party 
executive committee had endorsed the gubernatorial bill, which 
would first go to the party's screening committee before being 
submitted to the parliamentary coordinating committee.
 
Mr Sutham said the bill carries a provision specifying that a 
Royal decree would have to be promulgated for the holding of an 
election in any province which is ready for the election.
 
He said the party felt that governor elections could be held 
within two years in Chiang Mai, Nakhon Ratchasima, Khon Kaen, 
Nonthaburi, Samut Prakan and Nakhon Si Thammarat.
 
For the rest of the country, Sutham said elections would be held 
in provinces which are ready for it on a case-by-case basis.
 
He insisted that the party supported the bill in order to promote 
the democratic system and to allow people to decide the future of 
their own localities.
 
The PDP's legislative screening committee chairman Thawil Praisont 
said the bill was not for elections to be held simultaneously in 
73 provinces across the country, but just a blueprint to ensure 
that there would be elections in provinces which are ready for 
them.
 
  A party source said that even without the endorsement of the 
coalition partners, the PDP would push ahead alone by submitting 
the bill to the House.
From: crutiras@bu.edu (Chokdee Robert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Looking for a Thai Buddhist Temple
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:12:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.101600
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


Good day,

My name is Chokdee Robert Rutirasiri, and I have just recently moved to 
Boston, Massachusetts to attend Boston University.  I am origunally from
Chicago, Illinois, where my mother frequently encouraged me to attend
the Thai temple for various social functions and just tohave a refuge 
from the world. I did not attend the temple as regularly as my mother 
would have liked me to, but the times I did attend, I found it quite
relaxing.  I need this type of refuge in Boston, but I cannot locate
a single Thai Buddhist Temple.  If anyone out there has any suggestions
please E-mail me at crutiras@acs.bu.edu   Thank you
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ang@theory.lcs.mit.edu (William S. Ang)
Subject: Re: Princess Sirindhorn to visit the US: Itinerary
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:20:45 GMT


Does anyone know that if Princess Sirindhorn is going to have a
gathering with Boston area Thai?  As the gathering at Harvard
Medical School is by invitation only.  We really just want to
see her and pay respect (even from far away, I guess).

  William


     

      
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From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Re: Japanese-Land-Dead ( Was:-Re: My opinion about Khun Chuan.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:23:47 GMT

fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon) writes:

>......... most stuffs deleted

>The Japanese have the same 'big' burial tradition like the Chinese.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Is that one of the reason they come to Thailand, hoping that when they
>die, they can be burried in a big plot of land at the foot of a majectic
>mountain so that their children can come to pay homage to their corpses
>once every year?

>It's kind of inhumane to impose people on their funeral practices but
>if something is not done now there sure will be frictions in the future
>when agricultural land is more and more yieding to golf courses and 
>cemetaries.

>-Tawit

Are you sure about this? I used to write a work for a class in self and
society in Japan and the paper happens to be on Japanese Concept of
Death. I don't recall any literature confirming your observation. It was
not my focus, anyway. You may be right. But what I have found is that 
the Japanese symbolize their ancestors in a small piece of wood labelling
the name of the dead and they keep this wood on the altar of their ancestors.
THose who believe in Buddhism also put some symbols of Buddhism on this
altar too. 

Samart@:-
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Seeking recipe for  LARB GAI
Date: 6 Nov 1992 19:57:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I'd like to find a recipe for a Thai chicken salad type
dish called Larb Gai.
  Thanks in advance
-- 
Ted....
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From: lopez@athena.cs.uga.edu (Felix Sherwin Lopez)
Subject: THAILAND E-mail addresses found
Followup-To: THAILAND E-mail addresses desperately needed 
Keywords: And they lived happily ever after; sanuk 
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:26:59 GMT


To all users of the net out there,

Thanks for providing all the helpful e-mail information about
Thailand.  Khob khun khrup. 
     

Sherwin "Chakrit" Lopez
lopez@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Being compromise ..& Ajarn Suluk?
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:17:19 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

In article <1992Nov6.164619.9870@news2.cis.umn.edu> bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.003611.5987@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz> thanon@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thanachart Numnonda) writes:
>
>Yes, It's very absurd.  I'm confused myself why Acharn Sulak who never
>kills anybody has to be sentenced while people who did never were and
>probably never will be.  Here in the U.S too.  Can anybody tell me why
>Lenard Peltier is still in prison with unfair trial where as a person who
>ordered the killing of over 200000 innoscent Iraqy people was never
>charged of any wrong doing?  Where is justice?

I think you take this problem too seriously.  Justice is the same as it has
always been anywhere.  The cleverest person wins because he pays the best
lawyers to argue for him or he pays the strongest soldiers to fight for him.
He has so much money because he is very clever.

It is sad that things happened the way they did, but it is the past now.  The
importance of the actions last May can only be shown by the actions that occur
now because of them.  Do Thai laws become stronger?  Are more Thais interested
in politics?  Is future Thai political activity less corrupt?   Can we really
answer these questions yet when as usual everyone if focused on justifying
the existence of the new government by properly purging the old?

I don't like the game either.  But enough talk.  Let's cut the cards and deal!

tim
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From: amara@wam.umd.edu (Amara Tremongkol Naksathit)
Subject: Bangkok' New Skyways
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:40:23 GMT

BANGKOK'S NEW SKYWAYS: THE ANSWER TO THE CITY'S TRAFFIC OR AN
URBAN PIPE DREAM

	The Bangkokians in the nineteenth century would have
had found it was hard to believe that an once "Venice of the
East" has now turned into a motorist's worst noghtmare.

	since an American adviser suggested of expanding the
city by building more roads and filling in the canals in 1957,
Bangkok relied heavily on the ground mode of transportation.
A number of cars accele rated from 200,000 in 1972 to two
millions in 1990. The city's traffic surface is 8% of the total
area instead of the suggested minimum 20 percentage for a city.
The average speed of 4-5 kilometers an hour, during rush hours
in this city, is world renowned.

	Beside misery for motorists and bus riders, Bangkok's
traffic has brought in an alternative mode of transportation.
Motor bike taxi is an excellent example. It was estimated that
in 1991 more than 570,000 bike trips a day were made by those
impatient and desperate Bangkokians.

	But dangerous motor bikes definitely are not the answer
to the Bangkok traffic which is now a major national crisis. The
city loses about $ million a day on burning gasoline alone.

	Bangkok is now spending billions bath on its new freeway 
system. A lot of motorists have a lot of high hopes for these new
freeways. But Dr. Krisada Aroonwongse Na Ayutthaya, the Bangkok's
major, said that if what freeways do is bring cars into the inner
city only faster, then free-ways will only become a part of the
problem.

	While the increasing use of privated cars is being criticized,
the ultra modern mass transit systems such as the Inner Transit System
and the Bangkok Transit System are being widely encouraged, some are
also concerned about the environmental effect, both visually and
socially, this gigantic construction project may have on the city.

	Some also interestingly pointed out that this expading city has
neither master city plan nor the systematic planning. Land development
have been exploiding the city's use of land for two decades. Hopefully
the freshly active city plan law will be play a major part of the answers.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: My opinion about Khun Chuan.
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:06:06 GMT

In article <BxHExs.GH3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong) writes:
>bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu () writes:
>
>
>>......... most of stuffs deleted
>
>>Do you think the idea of ownership employee can be an alternative?
>
>>Thian
>
>Forgive my ignorance but what is the "ownership employee" ?
>
>Samart
>


If I understand correctly, it's a management under the ownership of all
employees.  It's adopted from socialistic idea but  but allows employees
to run the management instead ofstate run.
I heard that it's growing in this country.
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Post Nov 10: Tribunal rules Amnesty decree still has effect
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:17:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: sscvx1.10NOV199209173835
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Nov10.050246.24558@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, anuchit@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anu writes...
>In article <9211091711.AA24619@ipied.tu.ac.th.tu.ac.th> kamol@ipied.tu.ac.th (Kamol Hengkietisak) writes:
>>
>>THE Constitution Tribunal yesterday handed down a decision 
>>supporting the blanket amnesty for everyone involved in the May 
>>17-20 demonstrations and subsequent crackdown.
>> ... [some stuffs deleted] ...
>>He [Mr. Suthee] also said there were loopholes in the Constitution 
>>which gave governments a free hand in deciding whether a situation 
>>constituted an emergency under which an executive decree could be 
>>issued.
>> ... [some stuffs deleted] ...
>>The SFT had anticipated the outcome of the tribunal's 
>>consideration which meant the victims of the May crackdown died in 
>>vain and those responsible would go free.
> 
Well blow me down - what a surprise!!!

Laurence
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Provincial governor election
From: thanon@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thanachart Numnonda)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:38:38 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:

>        Khun Samart had shared his horrible story about buying a piece of land
>in Chiengmai.  However, he also mentioned that if we buy a land from a Land
>Development Company which belong to a big man in Chiengmai, every thing would
>be easy, even the tax. You see, although Chiengmai still not has an elected
>governor, the situation is like this.  The big man of the province or mafia can
>have influence on such degree.  If the decentralisation is applied, the
>situation would be even worse because the mafia will be elected and every thing
>will be in his hand.
>        I think it's not a good time to have elected governor because people
>in rural are still under the influence of money and mafia.  I don't want to
>see mafia to legally take control of government matters, the people will be
>in trouble.

>                Bunlur

 I don't quite agree with you in this issue again. You probably share the
 same opinion with those district officers in the Interior ministry.
 It is the same opinion as the government in 2475. Yeah! our people need
 more education. Sixty years from then, we still use the same accuse
 regarding to anything toward democracy. This means that we trying to say
 that our standard of education doesn't improve. Our people are stupid
 because they will elect the mafia to control themselve.

 Why don't you trust them? THEY ARE POOR, BUT NOT STUPID.
 I have experienced lot of governors, and I found that many local mafias
 are supported by some appointed governors. Did you remember the May
 massacare? Which governor stood on the same side with people?
 ..Probably, only the Bangkok governor under PalangTham banner.
 Others try to support Gen. Suchinda, Why?

 I never vote for PalangTham becuase I don't like Khun Chamlong.
 However, I will vote for them in the next election if he promises
 to propose this issue again.

 Regards

 Thanachart NumnondA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Re: How is the Clinton administration going to affect Thailand and Asia?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 08:39:16 GMT

Here is my two PaiBia" opinion:
	
	I believe in general the US foreign policy will not drastically change.
Remember Vietnam War? Either JFK, Nixon, or LJB, was all alike in their 
attitude toward communism. Now that communism become defunct. The Republican
US looked at it as an opportunity to expand market and source of cheap labor
for the US manufacturers. The Democrats, IMO, is less enthusiastic about it.
This is where Republicans and Democrats differ. 
	I believe Democrats are more sincere about human rights policy as
compared to the Republicans (see the case of China to where Bush sent his
national security adviser to visit few weeks after the Tienanmuen massacre).
Clinton should follow what Carter had done in his presidency. Now that
Bush has paved the way to what he calls "new world order". Clinton could 
switch such world order around a bit to suit the Democrat tradition. I predict
that Clinton would still want to maintain the US as the world police.
	As far as the trade relations with the US, I believe Clinton Adminis-
tration will be more understanding the unique problems of developing countries.
Unlike Bush administration, Clinton would relax the demand for copyright 
and patent law enforcement in Thailand. 
	The pressure from the need to cut deficit within the political period 
(4 years) should not allow Clinton administration to be much generous in giving 
away foreign aid. Besides, the economic boom in the past decade in term of
GNP growth, should move Thailand from the US list of recipient countries.
Nonetheless, the programs on drug suppression, hill peoples, AIDS,
and environment should be favorably considered by the USAID under Clinton. 
	Unlike Republican administration, Clinton government would be more
fond of protectionism. You begin to see what Bush, after some years of
patiance, is now doing as a revenge action against the EC. Thai exporters
need to take serious in diverting their market. In a way, since Thailand
has seemed to shift from exporting produces to manufactured goods,
protectionism should have less impact. 
	As a whole, the Democrat people oriented policy should provide positive
atmosphere to the world human rights and social developments in the Third World
countries including Thailand not to mention Gore's input in the US policy on
environments. Such attitude might help balance the trend in Thailand which 
has, in the past decade, been geared toward material wealth. 
	This is just my vision of what is going to happen to Thailand as the
result of the shift in the US administration. Any comments are welcomed.