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From: mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Date: 31 Mar 92 03:21:04 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

Get an eyewear system that offers different lenses for different conditions.
For example, with Oakleys you can get regular dark lenses for bright
sunny days, yellow lenses for cloudy days, and clear lenses for those
completely overcast days. Even though the eyewear lens will get spotted,
I think it is better than squinting the entire time.


>For the first time I plan to do some windsurfing on the ocean (Cape Hatteras)
>and I wouldn't think salt water and contacts mix very well.

Actually, as other have pointed out, contacts and salt water works better
than contacts and fresh water since fresh water, for some reason, tends
to dislodge or blur vision through the lens temporarily.

One possibility other than disposables, if you are worried about
contaminating your lenses, is to get a second pair which you only wear
while windsurfing.

-- 
Michael Wang
mmwang@adobe.com


Article 2209 of rec.windsurfing:
From: mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Date: 31 Mar 92 03:33:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Mar31.000447.1633@lmpsbbs.mot.com> krueger@ssd.comm.mot.com (Kevin Krueger) writes:
>I'm curious, do other people loose their sunglasses out on the
>water ?  It seems cool to wear shades on the water, but are
>they easily lost ??

I lost one pair while windsurfing when my boom smashed into my face with
enough force to pop off one the ear pieces (I was very fortunate, cause
if I wasn't wearing the glasses, I probably would have injured one of my
eyes) and all the pieces sunk down before I could get them (glug, glug).
Since then, I always attach my glasses to some Croakies with a Croakies
Floater which allows it float on water. Of course, if both ear pieces snap
off, I may lose another pair. Or you could get something like the Spex,
which by design will float on water.

-- 
Michael Wang
mmwang@adobe.com


Article 2211 of rec.windsurfing:
From: drew@sunrise.com (Drew Jenkins)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Date: 31 Mar 92 14:10:51 GMT
Organization: Sunrise Software International

Ah yes..., the infamous contact problem.

When its really blowing, it *can* be a problem. I've had times when
the lens blows out of my eye and up on my eyelash. Then I try to put
the lens on my tongue and sail in to place it back in my eye. Most
times I end up losing the lens.

I got around this by buying disposable lens'. Disposable lens are
worn for a week so if I lose one, I take one from next weeks supply.

>For the first time I plan to do some windsurfing on the ocean (Cape Hatteras)
>and I wouldn't think salt water and contacts mix very well.

I think salt water is actually less harmful than fresh water.
Obviously the salinity of the ocean is closer to that of the tears in
your eye. Also, I feel the concentration of polutants in most ocean
sailing sites is less than that of fresh water sailing sites. I feel
this is true because the ocean is so much larger than the majority of
fresh water sites. Because of this, any polutants in the ocean are
more diluted than they would be in smaller lakes. Just one man's opinion.


-- 
Drew Jenkins            "Attitude is Everything"
drew@sunrise.com                 -- Bingen Bart


Article 2214 of rec.windsurfing:
From: sastzt@athena.unx.sas.com (Toshi Tsuboi)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Date: 31 Mar 92 16:45:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: unx.1992Mar31.164508.16197
    <1992Mar30.202055.3081@cs.tulane.edu>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sastzt@athena.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 1434

Disposable contacts seems to be a great solution for people who wear soft
contacts.  But is there anyone out there who has a solution for people who
HAVE to wear hard or gas permiable, other than wearing glasses?  Has anyone
tried wearing their hard contact while sailing?  I haven't tried it yet, but
I would think they would be easier to lose than soft contacts...


-- 
Toshi Tsuboi       | Calvin:"Mainstream commercial nihilism can't be trusted?"
sastzt@unx.sas.com | Mom:   "Fraid not, kiddo."
SAS Institute Inc. | Calvin:"Childhood is so disillusioning."
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Cary, NC 27513 USA | 


Article 2215 of rec.windsurfing:
From: luigi@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Date: 31 Mar 92 18:43:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rabt0INNrl5
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: paris.cs.berkeley.edu

You can look at it this way: the probability of losing a lens, multiplied
by its replacement cost, is probably much smaller than the probability
of breaking some other piece of equipment, multiplied by its replacement
cost.  You can also get contact lens insurance: you still have to pay for
50% of the replacement cost, but that should be a small amount (50% of
one lens).

I have always worn contact lenses in water activities (except when I want
to do some serious swimming), and never lost one.  Originally I wore rigid
gas-permeable lenses, then I switched to soft.  I have developed a reflex
(fairly natural, it seems) to close my eyes as I hit the water, and keep
them closed underwater.  It's not too hard to remember.  I also close them
when I get large amounts of water on my face --- so sometimes after a quick
waterstart in waves (from totally submerged to upright in 1/2 second) I have
to sail blind for 1 second.

Luigi



Article 2216 of rec.windsurfing:
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1992 19:08:16 GMT

I use Acuvue (sp?) disposables. I`ve lost one or two in the past but they are
so cheap it doesn`t matter. My previous lenses were not disposables. Since I
have astigmatism my lenses were very expensive prior to the disposables.

I also have had my lens shift to the side of my eye on occasion. It usually
happens when I wipe my eyes to hard to remove the water splashes. I try to
wear "razors" when I sail in sunny days to help reduce the splash.

The problem with disposables is they are not meant to be cleaned. You wear
them for about a week or less (depending on the abuse) then throw them out.
I have found that by using a cleaning unit (Clensatron) I can keep my lenses
for months at a time. This unit cleans the lenses with agitation. You don't
need to rub them between your fingers. The unit sells for about $40 at catalog
showrooms such as Service Merchandise.

I get my disposables via mailorder. The costs is about $22 for three pairs.
The shop gives you a $15 credit when you get a new member to join. So, if 
anyone wants to save me $15 let know so I can give you more details.


-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzz.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzz!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {    (908)957-5081   }       and a company sickday!"


Article 2219 of rec.windsurfing:
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Robin Goldstone)
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Reply-To: rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1992 17:59:36 GMT

I gave up on my contacts a couple of years ago for various reasons.
Instead, I wear prescription sunglasses.  Your eye doctor can order you 
some 'cool' frames (Ray Ban, Sun Cloud, Vaurnet...) so you don't look nerdy.
On the water, I use a Croakie neoprene strap combined with something called
a Croakie Floater.  The floater is a piece of foam that makes your glasses
float.  It works great!  I have only had one wipeout that knocked my
glasses off and when I emerged from under water, there were my sunglasses,
bobbing a few feet away from me!  Well worth the $5 investment.

***********************************************************************
Robin Goldstone, Systems Software Specialist
California State University, Chico  Computing Services
rgoldstone@oavax.csuchico.edu


Article 2220 of rec.windsurfing:
From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Date: 31 Mar 92 16:15:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Mar31.161511.16302
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brandeis University

In the waves one day my Bolle' floated off into the foam never to be
seen again.  They had croakies on them.  Now I use cheap UV-safe
glasses when I need to.

/andy


Article 2224 of rec.windsurfing:
From: kramer@olympus.ics.uci.edu (David Kramer)
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Reply-To: kramer@ics.uci.edu (David Kramer)
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 1 Apr 92 00:42:25 GMT


>  Actually, as other have pointed out, contacts and salt water works better
>  than contacts and fresh water since fresh water, for some reason, tends
>  to dislodge or blur vision through the lens temporarily.

I believe that this is because the water runs into your eyes, changing
their salinity. The lenses then suck this water up because they are
designed for your the salinity of your eyes. So the lens becomes rigid
and no longer adheres to the surface of your eyes. They are much more
likely to move around in the eye, or not refract correctly. Salt water has
similar salinity to your tears and so doesn't affect the lens as much.

As for the cleanliness of ocean water, I have sailed in some pretty scuzzy
water off the coast of S. California, particularly after a storm. I still
have oil slicks on my wetsuit, due to the offshore rigs or underwater
pipelines. Another fun thing to do is to snag a supermarket bag on your
fin while planing along. Finally (perhaps this should go to alt.tasteless)
I heard a story from some guys sailing off Long Beach (in the LA harbour)
who were using the corpse of an alsatian as a jibe marker.


David Kramer                        |
Dept of ICS                         |
Univ of California                  |      Why do we chop trees down
Irvine, CA 92717                    |      and then chop them up?
				    |
Internet: kramer@paris.uci.edu      |



Article 2229 of rec.windsurfing:
From: sbixby@cup.portal.com (Steven W Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Date: 30 Mar 92 23:40:04 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>When I wear contact lenses and it's really blowin' (not too much in
>Ontario :-}) I have a problem with water spray from the board and waves
>blowing in my eyes.  I find I spend more time wiping my eyes clear on a
>really windy day, than anything else.

That's what sunglasses are for - I like the Spex - keeps spray and dust
out of your eyes, good protection and won't shatter.

>For the first time I plan to do some windsurfing on the ocean (Cape Hatteras)
>and I wouldn't think salt water and contacts mix very well.

Errr...... what do you think saline solution is?  The salt water is
suprisingly gentle on your eyes and contacts... I haven't had a lick of
trouble with it.  Of course if it's muddy or sandy water.. that's a different
story.  But I have never had any trouble with it at all.

-swb-   (Steve Bixby - sbixby@cup.portal.com)


Article 2231 of rec.windsurfing:
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: creutz@bnlux1.bnl.gov (michael creutz)
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1992 02:47:50 GMT


A few years ago I decided that being able to see was worth
a few possible lost contacts.  I wear them windsurfing, 
bodysurfing, and scuba diving.  I lost one two years 
ago on a fantastic right cut on a wave in Seaside, Ca.
I am currently using the Boston gas permeable, which
seems good about not popping out.
When the wind is blowing there may be problems with
sand on the beach, but once out on the water the
air is always clean.
Mike


Article 2232 of rec.windsurfing:
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: nimmo@scb3.larc.nasa.gov (Nancy A. Nimmo)
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1992 13:03:57 GMT

More contact lense experiences:
   I wear my contacts while windsurfing and if it's sunny or even just bright,
   unless it's really overcast, I also wear sunglasses secured with croakies.
   The sunglasses shield alittle of the wind from my eyes, but they get spotty.
   My lenses are 'toric' soft lenses (custom fit for astigmatic eyes) and cost
   $50.00 each, I have never lost one though.  My glasses cost $350 (I am blind)
   so I would rather risk losing a contact (chances of losing both are pretty
   slim) and still be able to see out of one eye than losing or breaking my
   glasses and being totally lost (as well as $350 poorer).
   I used to wear hard lenses and lost on average, one a month (they were $10
   to replace).  Several times I've had one just blow out of my eye on a windy
   day, and also one lost when riding a roller coaster.  So I would conclude
   hard lenses are much easier to lose.  I think today's hard lenses are
   actually semi-soft though and have some water content so they probably won't
   just 'blow off' like mine did.
	As the other posters have mentioned, my contacts bother me more in
   fresh water than in salty water.  After sailing all day regardless of where
   however, I usually take my contacts out and leave them out for the evening,
   or at least clean them and leave them out for a couple of hours.

   Another blind sailor,   
	  Nancy


Article 2236 of rec.windsurfing:
From: michele@sail.tymnet.com (Michele Fabrega)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Sunglasses, helmets
Date: 1 Apr 92 16:38:26 GMT
Organization: British Telecom North America

I want some that will block out all UVA/UVB, won't scratch or
break easily, that I can wear windsurfing.  Are there such beasts
out there?  I wouldn't even mind wearing goggles of some sort.
Some people have mentioned "Spex".  Will these do it?  I do not
need a prescription in them.

Thanks in advance.


Article 5214 of rec.windsurfing:
From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Date: 2 Apr 92 07:44:55 GMT
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA

I've been wearing my prescription+dark+polarized glasses for most of a
year sailing and had no problem.  They've only come off my ears a few
times through many slams and tosses; I use a cord to hold them on. 
There's even enough friction on the cord running under my helmet that I
don't think I'd lose them even if one of the bows broke off entirely. 

It's kind of neat to be able to see clearly farther than my booms...

Ken Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com



Article 5217 of rec.windsurfing:
From: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Sunglasses, helmets
Date: 2 Apr 92 16:07:01 GMT
Reply-To: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Organization: NCAR / Scientific Computing Division, Boulder CO.

Sunglasses that don't scratch?!? Sorry, but I never seen or heard of any.
Even my Gargoyles ($60) scratch and can supposedly blast 'em with a
shotgun and they won't break (I know, big deal... you've got eyes but no
face left - sick humor :-)).

> Some people have mentioned "Spex".  Will these do it?  I do not

I had a friend who tried them and hated them.  The water spots don't go
away as quickly as normal or wrap-around sunglasses.  I think he also
didn't care for the "feel" of goggles.

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Article 5222 of rec.windsurfing:
From: kramer@olympus.ics.uci.edu (David Kramer)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Date: 2 Apr 92 18:33:37 GMT
Reply-To: kramer@ics.uci.edu (David Kramer)
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS

I once went out on Lake Isabella and forgot to take off my sunglasses. They
are regular Ray-Bans and weren't tied on or anything. The first time I hit
the water they flew off and sank beneath the waves. Luckily I caught them
with my frantically flailing foot.

By the way if anyone finds a black plastic Casio watch on the bottom of
Isabella its mine. Set me back at least $10 too.


David Kramer                        |
Dept of ICS                         |
Univ of California                  |      Why do we chop trees down
Irvine, CA 92717                    |      and then chop them up?
				    |
Internet: kramer@paris.uci.edu      |


Article 5227 of rec.windsurfing:
From: ludwig@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Ludwig Omachen)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Keywords: n
Date: 3 Apr 92 05:44:18 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computing & Mathematics, Deakin University, Australia

>I'm curious, do other people loose their sunglasses out on the
>water?  

Not if you tie them on, ie, with a loop around your neck. Works for
me, though I guess a loop around the neck could be a bit dangerous if
something were to catch it during a wipeout.

Cheer's 
Lud.


Article 5239 of rec.windsurfing:
From: colburn@tessa (alex colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Sunglasses, helmets
Date: 3 Apr 92 22:58:07 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Image Analysis Facility

In article <1469@tymix.Tymnet.COM> michele@sail.tymnet.com (Michele Fabrega) writes:
>I want some that will block out all UVA/UVB, won't scratch or
>break easily, that I can wear windsurfing.  

I'm curious too, I've  been a bit wary about UV after learning
that it is the primary cause of cataracts (none of my grand-parents
have their original eye lenses !).  I went out and
invested in serengeti drivers, but am afraid to lose them in the
water, so now I got some oakly razers.  They were fairly cheap
with the grey smoked lenses and block wind very well.  Now I
just look like a techno -fashion dork.  I'd love to find
some lenses that are as good as the drivers and work for
sailing without spending too much.

Alex.


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   |      _____ \   __|        University of Iowa          
______| _/      _\ _|          colburn@tessa.iaf.uiowa.edu  



From kristian@siri.unit.no Wed Apr  1 02:59:15 1992
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 92 09:57:40 +0200
From: Kristian Martinsen <kristian@siri.unit.no>
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Organization: University of Trondheim

I see you've had a lot of replys: All of them saying salt water is less
troubling than fresh water. That's my experience too. On salt water I
have sailed in pretty rough conditins (~70 m.p.h wind speed, 10'
wawes) but never had any problem. But in fresh water have I always
trouble with the lenses. The lenses feels sort of sticky, and after a
major dip, I use 10-20 seconds to be able to see normally again. The
cause is probably thath the salty water fits better to your salty
tears. 

I have NEVER lost my lenses while windsurfing. Nor on salty or fresh
water. A spray right to your eye may dislocate the lences for a while,
but after a few blinkes, they are back. I pair of shades may help this
problem, but the shades must be as glued (with epoxy!) to your head. 

Kristian



From butler@aaii.oz.au Thu Apr  2 21:26:13 1992
From: Jim Butler <butler@aaii.oz.au>
Message-Id: <9204030115.AA17675@yarra-glen.aaii.oz.AU>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 92 11:15:15 EST
To: aoldham@descartes (Alex Oldham)
Subject: Contact Lenses
Status: RO

I've been wearing contacts windsurfing for a long time. The ones I have now 
(disposable Johnston & Johnston (sp?)) have been the best. Previously, I had 
problems similar to the ones you mentioned along with the lens floating 
around when some water hit it.

Jim Butler
Australian Artificial Intelligence Institute


Article 5244 of rec.windsurfing:
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: hue@island.COM (Pond Scum)
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 04:39:32 GMT

>> I'm curious, do other people loose their sunglasses out on the
>> water ?  

I've lost two pairs while sailing.  Once about five years ago at 
Shoreline Park in Mountain View, and once a year later at the 'Stick.
Both times I had my sunglasses on Chums cinched down tight, but they still
came off and sank.

Since then I've been using a homemade "Croakie Floater" (a piece of foam
with two holes in it) so my glasses float if they come off.  I haven't
had them come off since (and I've been crashing a *lot* harder).

BTW, it is possible to get some of the popular sunglasses in prescription,
but it takes a long time and costs big $$.  Optical World in Marin County,
CA can order prescription Revos for $300 (that's a sale price) and it takes
eight weeks to get them back.  I had them put a blue Revo-like mirror on
some grey tinted lenses and put them in a cheap nylon Bolle frame for half
that price and 1/8th the wait.

-Jonathan               hue@island.COM


Article 5247 of rec.windsurfing:
From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Sunglasses, helmets
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:34:58 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

My local drugstore has a sunglasses rack.  I look through them for
something with plastic lenses (light) that has a "UV" sticker on it.
I buy it.  Usually about $5.  They are also usually UGLY.  So am I.
If the surf takes them, I go get another pair.

For everything else I use good glasses (I like Bolle).

Now, the problem for me is whether I can trust the sticker.  Does
anybody know?

/andy


Article 5248 of rec.windsurfing:
From: michele@sail.tymnet.com (Michele Fabrega)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Sunglasses, helmets
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:32:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: tymix.1506
Organization: British Telecom North America

There are two types of UV rays, UV A, and UV B.  I would suggest looking for
glasses that say HOW MUCH of each type of UV rays are blocked.  Sunglasses that
don't block much end up being worse for your eyes, since they enable your
pupils to dilate and accept more harmful rays than if you weren't wearing
glasses at all.


Article 2289 of rec.windsurfing:
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Contact Lenses
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:23:18 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

I've worn soft lenses for years while sailing. I prefer to wear sunglasses as
well but don't always. I have lost one lens during a faceplant and have
dislodged lenses on occasion. Once while about a mile out at Coyote, a lens 
slipped out of my eye and I was able to grab it off my eyelash. I undid the Velcro
strap on my mastfoot protector, put the lens inside and covered it over with 
the Velcro strap. Back on the beach, I retreived the lens and put it back in my
eye.

I also like to clean my lenses after I've been out at Coyote. I think they pick
up a lot of crud from the polluted water. No problems at other sites.

Jim Munro


Article 2303 of rec.windsurfing:
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:03:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Sunglasses, helmets
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

I use prescription Polaroid (R)  eyeglasses and am VERY pleased with
them.  I think they are about $60-$100 at For-eyes (something like $49
for the glasses and frames with $20-$40 add-on for Polaroid).  They are
glass and don't scratch.  Don't worry about breaking either, as I've dropped 
lenses off a second story deck onto rocks (fell out of the cracked frame)
and they didn't break (they did chip).  I hold them on with Croakies under
my helmet.

-Kirk out

BTW, Polaroid lenses make it MUCH easier to see gusts coming.

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