HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rog@Ingres.COM (Roger Taranto)
Subject: Looking for people at Cal State Sacramento
Organization: Ingres, An ASK Company, Alameda, CA 94501
Distribution: ca
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:15:17 GMT

I need two things from people at Cal State Sacramento:
1) The phone number/address of the advertising department
   of the college newspaper, and,

2) As many people as possible at Sac State who would be interested
   in wishing a certain professor a Happy Birthday.  Send me mail,
   and I'll put you on a list and let you know when it is.

-Roger
rog@ingres.com
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: dhosek@cbrown.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: our school problems
Organization: Quixote Digital Typography
Distribution: ca
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:06:54 PDT

In article <1992Oct7.045249.11119@sactoh0.sac.ca.us>, kberry@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Kim A. Berry) writes:
> I am concerned about the high dropout rate of hispanics, how that
> will impact all of us. I believe it is related to culture as much
> as economics or failings of the school. 

> I believe that drive-by shootings and other gang violence largely
> emerged from Latino culture. 

I let this pass at first, but I couldn't help coming back to it.
Kim is entitled to have her opinion, but it's an opinion which is
clearly not based in any reality. The statements above reflect a
complete absence of experience with Latino culture and values and
a lack of desire to understand.

I have spent time in Latino communities both here and in Central
America and my experience has been that most latinos are willing
to work hard to bring themselves up in the world and value
education highly. Yes, there are exceptions, but one finds them
in any group. Incidentally, illegal aliens tend to be the hardest
working and most educationally motivated of those I've
encountered.

Earlier this year I had the pleasure of meeting Greg Boyle, a
Jesuit priest who was working in East L.A. with gang members. He
has said, with regard to the young people (almost exclusively
latino) that he works with that there isn't a single gang member
he's met who wouldn't give it all up for a good job. My
experience confirms this.

I realize that there's little hope of convincing Kim to try and
base her opinions in reality, but I couldn't let her statements
stand without some counterstatement.

-dh
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN)
Subject: Re: 1986 Ford Mustang SVO for Sale!!!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:42:40 GMT

In article <20353@fritz.filenet.com>,
scotth@felix.filenet.com (Scott Hopson) writes:
>
>'86 Ford Mustang SVO 2.3L Turbo,Intercooled,200+ Horse Power
>
>Execellent Condition
>
>P/S, P/B, P/Win, P/Locks, Tilt Wheel, A/C, Alloy Wheels, Ford Premium AM/FM
>Cassette Sound System.
>
>Burgandy with Grey Interior
>
>$4000 OBO
>
>Call Mike or Jane (310) 490-9941  9AM-9PM
>
>
>PS: I've been in it, it's fast.....
>
>--
>Scott Hopson   (scotth@filenet.com)

Better watch it of the net police will be after you like they were
after me for posting to a group that doesn't sell things.

Alma
Newsgroups: ca.general,alt.california
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:16:08 GMT
Distribution: ca

On this subject: I went to Ferndale, and I saw the "Victorian" style
which was noted on billboards approaching the area.  Not quite the same
thing as Solvang or Bodie or Bodega Bay.  What's probably tragic is that
the homes worst hit by the earthquake are still around now that attention
went down south.  The area isn't doing well economically.

I spent a little time looking for my friend Wes Albert, but I suspect his
family moved out of the area years ago.  And so it goes.

In article <26732@dog.ee.lbl.gov> julian@frey.lbl.gov (julian cortella) writes:
>In article <ld9l41INN1gk@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> landauer@morocco.Eng.Sun.COM
(Doug Landauer) writes:
>>You're forgetting two of the most popular theme towns in California --
>>Las Vegas, and Santa Fe.   At least they *seem* to be full of
>>Californians all the time ...  and isn't LANL owned/operated by U.C. ?
>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Well, it's managed by my alma mater. It's "owned" by the Department of Energy.
>The DOE also funds everything.  Some of us would love to see the UC ties
>broken.
>
>But, that's another topic.

I liked Doug's post.  The post from the "competing" DOE lab is also
interesting.  I'm not so hot on breaking the ties.  I'd rather see the Labs
de-militarized (and I certainly see some of them trying to do that).
The employees get pay checks from California.  There must be some way
to utilize their knowledge and talent (especially following the cold war)
for civilian purposes.  We demilitarized Japan after WWII and look where they
are in the world, just think what we could possibly do with LANL and LLNL.

If the UC (a public institution) simply dropped their ties, the Labs would
just get picked up by Sandia (the telephone company [see The President's
Analyst if you like conspiracy comedies]), or Dow/duPont/Rockwell like ORNL,
Hanford, etc., some private business not to be held publicly accountable.

And if they can't be converted?  Then cut the ties.

But then, I have a bias.

Besides, what better tool than the DOE to unmask Republican hawk candidates
who have no idea what Dept. of the US Government makes their nuclear weapons.
This is a litmus test of their understanding of government (yes I
know what they would do if they gut the DOE).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			Imhof, Cartographic Relief Presentation
			Books on or by Benjamin Whorf
From: mysti@sybase.com (Mysti)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: our school problems
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:02:56 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <rlk.718648375@amstel> rlk@VisiCom.COM (Bob Kitzberger) writes:
>dhosek@cbrown.claremont.edu writes:
>
>>Earlier this year I had the pleasure of meeting Greg Boyle, a
>>Jesuit priest who was working in East L.A. with gang members. He
>>has said, with regard to the young people (almost exclusively
>>latino) that he works with that there isn't a single gang member
>>he's met who wouldn't give it all up for a good job. My
>>experience confirms this.
>
>
>Yeah, right... I think the original poster, Kim, _is_ living in reality.
>People that thinks it's all "our" fault for not providing jobs (read:
>opportunity, etc.) for these hoodlums must be on some kind of guilt trip.
>

Well, actually, what people are trying to tell is that there is no
way for people in East L.A. to get jobs that do exist, not that there
is some nobless oblige (sp) requirement for jobs to be provided them.
Think about it, you grow up in a world where none of your friends or
relatives will be hired into jobs, so you do what you can to survive.
The fact that these riots only break out once every few decades testifies
to the patience and tolerance of people who are incredibly oppressed.
Even up here in touchy-feely politically correct northern california,
black americans are about 10 percent of the general population and 50 percent
of the jail population.

>Of course, I don't live in East L.A., so my view is certainly biased.

So, of course, you don't actually know anything about what you are
talking about, do you?  You ever work in those communities?  Meet any
of the people who live there?  Actually bother to collect evidence that
might shake your view of the world?  

Mysti
--
Friends don't let friends vote Republican
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Auto Insurance - how to get it in CA and what to look for ?
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:30:20 GMT

-
     When I moved out here 3.5 years ago, everyone told me to use the
California State Automobile Association (CSAA), which is the local branch
of AAA.  CSAA is non-profit, and you get other benefits like free maps,
roadside service, and the other usual motor club services.

     CSAA was certainly the cheapest insurance I found.  I checked a
good half dozen of the commercial companies.  However, be sure to shop
around by calling up several different agents (not just companies).
Insurance premiums are notorious for random variations.

     One fair warning: I've heard a couple of stories of poeple
complaining CSAA undervalues/over-depreciates the value of a car
damaged in an accident.  This would mean you might not get as much
as you think your car is worth if it were totalled, and CSAA might
consider it totalled when another company might not.  I've not seen
widespread complaints of this sort, so I'm not sure it's a valid
complaint either.

     Welcome to California.  You're lucky you're not a young single
male driving a sports car.  Your premiums should merely be outrageous.

							George


----
George J Wu, Software Engineer         | gwu@tcs.com or uunet!tcs!gwu
Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc. | (510) 649-3700
2121 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA, 94704  | Never be the first to believe . . .
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: dhosek@cbrown.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: Auto Insurance - how to get it in CA and what to look for ?
Organization: Quixote Digital Typography
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:59:21 PDT

In article <1992Oct7.173020.20196@tcsi.com>, gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:

>      When I moved out here 3.5 years ago, everyone told me to use the
> California State Automobile Association (CSAA), which is the local branch
> of AAA.  CSAA is non-profit, and you get other benefits like free maps,
> roadside service, and the other usual motor club services.
 
>      CSAA was certainly the cheapest insurance I found.  I checked a
> good half dozen of the commercial companies.  However, be sure to shop
> around by calling up several different agents (not just companies).
> Insurance premiums are notorious for random variations.

As a AAA-insured individual myself, I should add that they are
rather picky about who they insure. I almost lost my ability to
re-up after an accident I had in January.
 
By the way, down here it's the ACSC.

>      One fair warning: I've heard a couple of stories of poeple
> complaining CSAA undervalues/over-depreciates the value of a car
> damaged in an accident.  This would mean you might not get as much
> as you think your car is worth if it were totalled, and CSAA might
> consider it totalled when another company might not.  I've not seen
> widespread complaints of this sort, so I'm not sure it's a valid
> complaint either.

They totalled mine. But I got decent payback on it (almost the
balance left on the loan--within the deductible of it, in fact).
 
>      Welcome to California.  You're lucky you're not a young single
> male driving a sports car.  Your premiums should merely be outrageous.

Actually,  the biggest win for CSAA/ACSC/AAA insurance is that
they're prop 101 (or whatever the number is) compliant. So being
young single or male doesn't hurt. Driving a sports car does. 

Insurance rates are to based strictly on value of car, safety
features of car, years driver is licensed and driving record.

-dh
Newsgroups: ca.test
From: paulh@odetics.com (Paul Hodgetts)
Subject: Another test...
Followup-To: ca.test 
Keywords: dazed and confused 
Organization: Odetics, Inc., Anaheim, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:37:19 GMT

This is a prepared include file for news.
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Newsgroups: ca.test
From: jimc@megatek.com (Jim Campbell)
Subject: Re: testing. oh boy
Reply-To: jimc@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:55:22 GMT


hmmm....

Jim Campbell			|	"Remember to tweet!"
jimc@megatek.com		|	After a while, it will be even
WB6ZPB				|	later than it is right now.
-- 
Jim Campbell			|	"Remember to tweet!"
jimc@megatek.com		|	After a while, it will be even
WB6ZPB				|	later than it is right now.
Newsgroups: ca.test
From: paulh@odetics.com (Paul Hodgetts)
Subject: This is only a test...
Organization: Odetics, Inc., Anaheim, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:05:14 GMT

This is only a test.
-- 

Paul

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| Odetics Inc., Broadcast Division |         uunet!odetics.com!paulh |
Newsgroups: ca.test
From: root@baron.mrms.navy.mil (Jim Deitch)
Subject: Test
Organization: COMNAVSURFPAC  San Diego, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:17:54 GMT

Testing new cnews install

Newsgroups: ca.test
From: root@baron.mrms.navy.mil (Jim Deitch)
Subject: Test
Organization: COMNAVSURFPAC  San Diego, CA
Distribution: surfpac
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:15:24 GMT

Test
Newsgroups: ca.test
From: pete@puffin.uucp (Pete Carah)
Subject: Test
Organization: Pete's Unix
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:05:15 GMT
Distribution: ca

This is a silly test; why didn't my leaf site's test get a reply...

-- Pete
From: walt@adaclabs.com (walt klingenberg)
Newsgroups: ca.test
Subject: just a test post
Keywords: testing
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:01:38 GMT
Reply-To: walt@adaclabs.com
Followup-To: ca.test
Distribution: ca
Organization: Adac Laboratories

you know .....




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From: warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Kennedy)
Newsgroups: ca.test
Subject: foo
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:19:04 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: amber.ecst.csuchico.edu

THE LESSER-KNOWN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES #17 -- SARTRE

Named after the late existential philosopher, SARTRE is an extremely
unstructured language.  Statements in SARTRE have no purpose; they just
are.  Thus SARTRE programs are left to define their own functions.
SARTRE programmers tend to be boring and depressed, and are no fun at
parties.

-- 
p'ch'zarni'chiwkov:  the nasty little sound of a sword being unsheathed right
behind one at just the point when one thought one had disposed of one's enemies.
From: dorothy@n6ume.uucp (Dorothy Darby)
Newsgroups: ca.test
Subject: Test
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:50:33 EDT
News-Software: FSUUCP 1.3r1
Reply-To: dorothy@n6ume.uucp (Dorothy Darby)
Distribution: ca
Organization: N6UME's place

see if this works.
-- Dorothy
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: HERSCHENSOHN: Differences with Boxer on Education
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:03:23 GMT
Followup-To: ca.politics
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <39144@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, jlodman@cs.ucsd.edu (Michael Lodman)
wrote:

> Crap. Crap,crap,crap,crap,crap. Herr Brucie, like the rest of the rabble-
> rousing bible-thumping religious right, er, Republican Party, has not been
> beating on this issue because people are being banned from silent prayer
> in school. They want vocalized, led, religious periods, and the Ten
> Commandments hanging from the walls. You trying to act like this isn't
> the case when everyone knows it to be so is laughable.

Prove that this is what Bruce Herschensohn wants.  I dare you.

--
Rick Eames                               My Opinions Are My Own (not
Apple's)
athos@apple.com

HERSCHENSOHN for US Senate.  Just say "No" to Barbara Boxer.
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: HERSCHENSOHN: Differences with Boxer on Education
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:55:21 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Oct15.065454.12627@netcom.com>, jeffgus@netcom.com (Jeffrey Gustafson) writes:
> jlodman@cs.ucsd.edu (Michael Lodman) writes:
> 
> >School is for learning, church is for bible-thumping. I will do whatever I can
> >to make sure they stay seperated.
> 
> 	Do you remember in you history book when Congress order that
> Bibles should be printed?  In other words, there is not seperation.
> Its just that the *federal government* cannot establish a national
> religion!  

The First Amendment has since been incorporated through the
14th Amendment so that it applies to the states and all their
subsidiary governments.

The notion of "separation of church and state," however, is not
a position accepted by the courts of late, and was certainly not
intended when the Bill of Rights was adopted.  There is a world
of difference between the sort of high, impenetrable wall that
is usually meant by "separation of church and state," and the 
considerably more narrow, "Congress shall make no law respecting
an establishment of religion," meaning that the Congress could
not pass any law, negative or positive, with respect to a
religious establishment.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
Newsgroups: ca.politics
From: jeffgus@netcom.com (Jeffrey Gustafson)
Subject: Re: HERSCHENSOHN: Differences with Boxer on Education
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:54:54 GMT

jlodman@cs.ucsd.edu (Michael Lodman) writes:

>School is for learning, church is for bible-thumping. I will do whatever I can
>to make sure they stay seperated.

	Do you remember in you history book when Congress order that
Bibles should be printed?  In other words, there is not seperation.
Its just that the *federal government* cannot establish a national
religion!  

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Xref: sparky ca.politics:8670 ba.politics:6087
From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: NOT (Re: School vouchers)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:32:30 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Phil Ronzone (phil@netcom.com) wrote:
>> runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan) writes:
>>Given that there are several members of {G} (g_x where 2<x<Y,
>>where Y is a large number), and given that A and B may leave
>>group {G} at any time, if all of {G} except B agrees that B
>>should take some action and will force B to take the action
>>as long as B remains a member of group {G}, are all the
>>members of group {G} acting immorally?
>
>If I parsed this right, the answer is yes.

The key phrase that may have been missed was "A and B may leave
group {G} at any time".  I meant that {G} will force B to take
an action, but if B leaves {G}, then {G} may not affect B.

>A member of a lynch mob does not have to tie the actual hanfmans rope
>around the neck to be guilty of lynching.

This indicates that I didn't make my statement clear enough.  There
is not much chance that a lynch mob would hang a member of the mob...

On the other hand, do I take this statement to indicate that a member
of a group must be responsible for the action of the group as a whole,
hence we may speak of groups as an entity?

Mark Runyan
From: pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: The Mother of All Flame Wars, Part 2 of 4
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:04:28 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Image Processing Lab

In article <1992Oct8.155948.27041@netcom.com>, phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
> 
> But, more to the point, consider the above. Upon reading it, an
> immediate bullshit alert should go up. Clayton mentioned a "bear",
> and "Gene Smith" immediately says, nope, that's not it, you're stupid.
> 
> Curiously, "Gene Smith" doesn't say what a bear is.

I asked a gay friend of mine and he told me that he believes that a "bear"
is a man who is big and hairy.  They can be overweight, just as anybody else
can, but it's not part of the definition.

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From: chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase)
Newsgroups: ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: The Mother of All Flame Wars, Part 2 of 4
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:20:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rbbb

In article <1992Oct11.181606.23574@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>But judging from the cries of discrimination from many homosexual
>posters on the net, surely you assert that most people don't like
>homosexuality?

Absolutely not.  First, the net is not a good sample.  Your friends
are not a good sample.  Neither are mine.  Second, you say "most".
"Most", last I heard, is 50% or more.  I think 5-10% would be large
enough to generate many reports of discrimination (assuming a good
sample, of course).

I don't put a great deal of stock in your quote of a Newsweek poll,
either.  It is very important exactly how the question was asked.
Newsweek is not exactly high on my list of statistically literate
publications.

David Chase
Sun
From: pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Ballot Propositions
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:03:54 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Image Processing Lab

I haven't been following the various propositions on the ballot as carefully
as I should have been.  In previous years, it's been noted that the smartest
thing to do on ballot initiatives is to vote a blanket "no".  You might throw
out a worthy candidate, but you'll definitely throw out a hell of a lot of
crap, as well.

Is there any reason to change that practice this year?  Are any of these
ballot initiatives worth supporting?

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