From: zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns,soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Guns, Motorcycles, and Internet Access in Paris
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:22:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug22.152202.15017
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <1992Aug20.224531.5823@trl.oz.au> 
a.guillaume@trl.oz.au writes:

AG:
>Michael Zeleny dec***e encore en reponse a David SHERMAN:

Alors, mon vieux, si tu as une telle phobie des gros mots, sois gentil, et
ne les utilise pas qu'a demi; autrement dit, vas promener ton philistinisme
parmi les petits bourgeois de ton sort, en laissant libre le champ aux gens
qui ne souffrent pas de ta manque de couilles.

DS:
>>>But Wolfhugel is absolutely right.  If the French want stricter limits
>>>on firearm ownership, then it is you who must adapt, for it is their
>>>decision to make.  The issue here is not gun control, or whether you 
>>>believe you have a good reason for owning one, or even whether people
>>>get shot despite the law.  It is deeper: you must respect the right of 
>>>other people to set their own rules in their own space.  You have 
>>>absolutely NO right to say otherwise, it is NOT your decision.  Fin.

MZ:
>>You must have missed the part where I started by inquiring about the French
>>legislation, rather than about the means of subverting, circumventing, or
>>otherwise avoiding the force of its regulations.  So far, there has been no
>>first-hand factual content in any of the numerous responses I got, -- just
>>conjecture and vituperation.

AG:
>Eh, oh, faut pas pousser meme dans les orties ! Ne serait-ce pas plus simple
>d'appeler l'aimable representation francaise la plus proche de chez toi, et
>d'obtenir l'information de maniere officielle ?

Bah, les orties, ce sont evidemment des mecs comme toi et Luc Maillet, qui
ont une tendance a confondre leur trou de balle avec le centre de notre
monde planetaire, comme ils confondent d'ailleurs les emissions de leur
claque-merde avec la _vox populi, vox Dei_, et la certitude de leur
presomption, avec la loi morale.

AG:
>Non, je pense que c'est mieux d'essayer d'utiliser la largeur de bande
>a ta disposition pour ton plaisir.

Ici nous sommes d'accord.

MZ:
>>Thanks, but my concern is not with mourning for the dead.  Furthermore, I
>>have no inclination to follow your personal wishes or counsel.  My interest
>>is solely with the French law, not with the opinions of French nationals;
>>unless you have something to say on the former subject, kindly abstain from
>>further idle banter.

AG:
>And for the French impaired: Michael, take your request to the nearest
>French consulate/embassy and ask them there. Don't waste bandwidth on
>soc.culture.french with a subject that will raise passions, as you very well
>know. If your interest is solely with the French law, get official advice.
>The chances of finding an expert on French weapons laws on the network are
>close to zilch, so use your brains and get the info from a reliable source.
>It will save you aggravation at having to endure what you call idle banter.
>(I could put your name in my kill file, but I have no weapons :-) :-)

To reply in kind: for the reasoning impaired, the wasted bandwidth is not
my concern, as may be readily surmised from my Internet domain.  If your
situation is different, I offer you my utmost gratitude for subsidizing the
delivery of my messages to their destination.  As for raising passions, not
enjoying the benefits of omniscience of precognizance, I have no means for
discovering a priori the number of your fellow s.c.f. denizens with a wild
hair up their arse concerning firearms ownership.  On the subject of my
chances of finding an expert on French weapons laws on the network, in the
past 2-3 months I have seen detailed discussions of British, German,
Australian, Swiss, and Austrian firearms legislation, conducted with the
participation of numerous firearms enthusiasts of the respective countries.
Accordingly, I conjectured that the same results may be obtained with
respect to the relevant details of the French legislation, by means of a
polite inquiry on s.c.f.  Unfortunately, I haven't counted on the small but
vociferous presence of hypocritical, egocentric, condescending chauvinists
like you and Luc Maillet, the sort that confuse the crack of their ass with
the axis of the universe, just as they habitually confuse the incoherent
emissions of their gob with the _vox populi, vox Dei_, and their sincere,
ill-considered philistinism -- with the lofty Platonic ideal of morality,
the sort that readily grant themselves an unlimited license to prejudge and
insult their interlocutor, as well as to bashfully take umbrage at the
reciprocal deployment of strong language in their own direction.  Still,
you must pardon me for clinging to my naive conviction that the spectrum of
French political opinion is not exhausted by your effete and bombastic
sort; that there yet remain in France a few heirs of Baudelaire, Vall\`es,
Lautr\'eamont, Jarry, Apollinaire, Breton, and Char, who are not liable to
faint when confronted with strong language, nor to run away from the sight
of naked weapons.  As for the rest, you will understand my not finding them
too interesting, and consequently -- not paying too much attention to their
numerous opinions.

>Andre Guillaume
>
>P.S.: followups to talk.politics.guns

No.  I reserve the right to yank your chain in the same venue where you try
to pull mine.

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Un de mes plus grands plaisirs est de jurer Dieu quand je bande."
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