HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mcastle@cs.umr.edu (Michael R Castle)
Subject: Newbie type questions
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 09:06:12 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO


I've built the 'eif' client, and am currently reading through the
Users.Guide I just printed out.  A couple of questions don't seen
answered though.

1)  Is there any international database of Country names that have
    been used?  This was a problem on OKBRIDGE for a while too.  I 
    don't want to accidently choose a country name that someone else
    has used (and then have them come after me in the game :-).
2)  Was is considered an appropriate limit on the number of chars in
    a countries name?  I'd like to use 'Nexus' as I've been using 
    that on the net for several years now.  But I've noticed at least
    one country called 'NeXa' and I don't want to cause confusion.  
    As a result, I may choose NexusOfAllRealities, but that *is* a 
    bit long :->  (mebbe NOAR for short, or perhaps Cynosure in 
    homage to First Comics).
3)  Any 'baby servers' out there just for newbies to practice commands
    on?  It's all fine and dandy to read about all the commands, 
    but I'd like a chance to practice 'explore' and such before I 
    possibly encounter a hostile foe.  (Or do I just loose on that 
    point because no one else ever got that chance? :-)

prolly think of some others later....

regards,
mrc
-- 
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S087891@UMRVMA.UMR.EDU   and be right at least twice a day.  -- mrc
    We are all of us living in the shadow of Manhattan.  -- Watchmen
From: ccastks@prism.gatech.EDU (Kevin Stallard)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Test game on hold
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:02:04 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Due to unforseen circumstances (no, it's not the machine this time),
the test game is on hold indefinitely.  I'll know one way or the other
by next week.

Thanks

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
Kevin Stallard          " Not one homeless person was given a home by caring. 
OIT Ga. Tech              but the homeless problem is YOUR fault because you
ccastks@prism.gatech.edu  don't care as much as Liberals do. " R. Limbaugh
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: emcglynn@moose.uvm.edu (Ted McGlynn, In the back row!)
Subject: Re: More Fodder Reporting for Duty!!t
Originator: emcglynn@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:09:27 GMT

     Hey hey hey! I just might join you there Croatia.......



ps....I like the Revelpebble ;-)


Ix!
(just wanna have fun)
(wheres my first kill??  Gen_Pro??!!)
8-)
I miss him so....and his peaches!
 
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: duelge@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jason Duelge)
Subject: Re: More Fodder Reporting for Duty!! (First KILL)
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 23:03:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.182855.22943@athena.mit.edu> madpit@athena.mit.edu (Douglas R. Pitters) writes:
>
>How can anyone forget their first kill? 34th and 35th maybe, but not
>first....
>

True enough.  (maybe for me it is only 13th and 14th)

>
>My first: A small cheese producing nation named Switzerland.
>Killed him twice that game.  Why? He owned the machine.
>
>He went on to play Ghostlands, a capable country, but still my
>own personal  FODDER.
>
I have been watching this thread ... and couldn't really remember my first
kill ... until this wonderful post by Subby.
My first game had so many headaches (cheating, 4 updates/day, time limit
for playing, etc), but one of the better moments was when i overran the
vaunted country of Suboceana (15 sectors, never left his start island) in
an update.  I can't remember if i did it while playing Temekula, or after
i had 'quit' playing (because of a poorly handled cheating episode) and
was 'watching' Karadj for a few weeks.
In any case, that victory (now that i remember it) was nice.  I was also,
as Karadj, the first country to kill Temekula.  What a game.
(OU-in-exile ... Spring 1991 i believe)

>
>			The Saint
>
>
>			Suboceana.
>
>(Now known as Subby!)
>
>P.P.S  Have the big nukes been totally removed from the game, to
>make the wimpy little FODDERS happy with continuing the mediocrity
>of their sorry, piddly little countries, or are there still a few
>nukes being tossed.
>
The fodder is so bad now, you don't even *NEED* nukes.  Just a few
battleships (of all things), and a coastal raiding party.  :)

>All you newbies, save this post, it may be the first post
>you've ever seen from the original country eater with
>the devastating gift of gab.  The original- Suboceana.

Don't save my post.  If you really want to save a post, keep an eye
out for the Elves of Mirkwood.  All this 'nostalgia' out to bring a
gem from one of them.  I've got my fingers crossed.
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From: mpearson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Matthew Pearson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: More Fodder Reporting for Duty!! (First KILL)
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:54:56 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA

>			The Saint
>
>
>			Suboceana.
>
>(Now known as Subby!)
>
>P.S.  I don't read this group much anymore, so are the following
>FODDERS still playing: Dorsai, Revelstone, Redline, Mirkwood, Afrika
>Korps?
>

Hey Subby... Macross here... your favorite fodder... hehehehe.. I am now
trying to dig my way out of your Hall of Shame! hehehehe.. hopefully I
will have better luck!

Macross
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: fxmar@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: I'm Back, and this time I'm REALLY FODDERous
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:48:28 GMT


How about that...Ancient decrepit players are crawling from their graves.

And the War Cry:    Rock ON!!   <<< InStereo >>>

->      Haven't heard from you folks in ages.  Whats up in this world?

-mark
runion@dec1.uafcs.alaska.edu
fxmar@acad3.alaska.edu
From: ah157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rob Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: GS Empire NEEDED as soon as possible,please help
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:30:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rob Henry)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu



I need a copy of gs em[pire for the pc.
If you have it,please uuencode all files and send them to me since
I cannot use FTP.
Thanks
Rob
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: loney@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Patrick Loney)
Subject: EE IV, where is JM
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: :The state of being organized
Date: 21 Jan 1993 09:28 EST  

     I have been unable to reach Jeff Mendelson to tell him that he is regis-
tered.  Jeff, you neglected to put an alias in your mail to me.  I have
e-mailed you twice to tell you, but apparently my email to you must go into
some cosmic bit bucket.  Anyway, try and get ahold of me some time during the
day.  And don't use that studying excuse either.

     Anyway, I still have several spots open, but not too many.  Some people
have contacted me if there was still room.  Naturally, I told them there was
and to send me all the necessary information.  So a handfull of people
are not formally registered.  But since there are just a few slots open (about
15 or so), I can open the game to newbies now.  There is a good base of
competent players so far, so this should be another good game.  Here is the
list of aliases so far (ie, formally registered):

Akira		namhsiri	whomever	Black Adder	Bricks
Buhwheat	crackdaddy	NOGS_Inc.	bonehead	Doormat
Razor		buffalo		CSI		Crusades	Saddam
Odin		ZOG		Jimmy Olsen	beereg		Firdaus
Zippo		hartsville	Kinswat		uky		Voittamaton 
Sleep Sam	Pookie		Blot-Seven	The Grinch	Davey
Pagodia		efilnikufesin	LSF		Crazy Ivan	figard
NeXa		Undead		Scruffy		JJS		Dweebsville
Worsley		Bitmugger	Paradise	boboh

If you would like to play, send me the following information:
Prefered email address
Country you would like to play (list to follow)
Region you would like to play in if you don't get the above country
Alias (for anonymous cross posting to rge for assigned country)
country rep
Country you normally play with (for my own curiosity)
skill level (1-10, 1 worst, again for my own curiosity)


And here is the list:
North Africa
Algeria Carthage Cyrenicia Libya Mauritana Mali Morocco Niger Tunisia

Middle East/Asia Minor
Anatolia Arabia Armenia Egypt Phoenicia Turkey

Iberia
Castile France Gaul Normandy Portugal Seville Spain

Western Europe
Denmark England Germany Holland Prussia Scottland Switzerland

Eastern Europe
Bulgaria Czechoslovakia Hungary Poland Romania Transalvania

Scandinavia
Finland Narvik Norway Sweden Trondheim Uppsala Vaaso

Baltic
Estonia Latvia Lithuania

Adriatic
Austria Greece Italy Macedonia Serbia Sicily

Central Russia
Belorussia Georgia Russia Sevestopol Ukraine Urals Volgagrad

Northern Russia
Archangle Murmansk Novogorad Petrozovadsk Siberia St_Petersburg Vologda

The host and port are 128.156.1.75 and 6104.  Email me if you have any
questions or problems.
From: ah157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rob Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Anyone ever play GS empire?i have a problem with the program i think
Date: 27 Jan 1993 18:30:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rob Henry)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu



When i hit s to start,it sys preparing the game for you,.
Then the screen goes blank and nothing happens,the drive stops and all.
It says it own't work with hercules and nmono graphics cards,.
I put my old mono text in and it still won't work.
The author says there are no graphics in it though.
From: st1dg@rosie.uh.edu (Wilkinson, Damon E.)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Need a replacement
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:21 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


I am currently involved in the game running in Europe - update
at 18:00 GMT time - 1 pm EST.
I need  a replacement please, as things are heating up, and I will
not be able to put in the time that my country deserves.
I will say it is in the top 20 - no more so as to try to keep
people from drooling over me :-)

At any rate, I feel that I am unable to continue in a  proper fashion,
and so am appealing to someone who has a clue about empire - Chainsaw 2.2 -
to take over - 
please no newbies, you'll get munched quickly -

my personal choice of replacements would be Dorsai, Temekula, Redline,
etc - a good player who could do my position justice -
I think  I could win if the time could be put in that is needed. :-)

Anyway, please notify asap if you are intrested - I want to get this
taken care of.

Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: cashman@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Geoff Cashman)
Subject: Re: More Fodder Reporting for Duty!! (First KILL)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:37:38 GMT

In article <1jp8tjINN1od@uwm.edu> caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter) writes:
>	Hmm, reading this made me think, and I couldnt remember the first
>	nation I defeated. Does anyone else out there remember their first
>	kill?
>

Yeah, I do.  It was in 1988, and the country was Dankar.  It was someone from
GaTech, who apparently never played again after that or changed their name and
never told anyone else.  

My next victory was over Evil Empire.  We became steadfast allies after that.

			- Geoff Cashman
			  Mithrilien

Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: beck@cs.UAlberta.CA (Bob Beck)
Subject: Violence Erupts! Game Starting!! 
Organization: University of Alberta
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:59:41 GMT

	Well, Redline, Dorsai, all those looking for a plain old
vanilla game, you got it..  Code is regular Merc 2.0 (see version
below) 20 - 30 sector start islands on a 64x64 world, room for 28
countries with little free land (Violence! ]8->). 

	Updates: 1 per day, 1900 Mountain (1800 Pacific, 2100 Eastern)
		 48 ETUS.
	
	Availiablilty: Game is up 7 days a week, 24hrs a day

	Start Date: Sunday Jan 31, at 1915 Mountain, 
		    First update Monday Feb 1 at 1900 Mountain.
	
	To Apply: email with country and rep to the deity,
		  beck@cs.ualberta.ca.

	Winning conditions: No more than two countries will be recognized 
			    as the winners. 

	Replacement conditions: Players are encouraged to find their own 
				replacements if they choose to leave the game. 
				The deity will not replace players, it is up
				to the players to do this. 

	Warning: CAnet is *not* in the states, and still runs DS0 lines.
		 everyone's in the same boat, but don't play if you can't 
		 handle a little lag now and then  :-)
	
version output below: 
----------------------------
BSD Empire 1.1 patch level 5 (KSU distribution 1.04)

The following parameters have been set for this game:
World size is 64 by 64.
There can be up to 50 countries.
By default, countries use their own coordinate system.

An Empire time unit is 1800 seconds long.
The next update is at Sat Jan 23 19:00:00.
The current time is Sat Jan 23 17:28:50.
An update consists of 48 empire time units.
Each country is allowed to be logged in 1000 minutes a day.
It takes 25.00 civilians to produce a BTU in one time unit.

A non-aggi, 100 fertility sector can grow 0.12 food per etu.
1000 civilians will harvest 1.3 food per etu.
1000 civilians will give birth to 5.0 babies per etu.
1000 uncompensated workers will give birth to 2.5 babies.
In one time unit, 1000 people eat 1.0 units of food.
1000 babies eat 12.0 units of food becoming adults.

Banks pay $250.00 in interest per 1000 gold bars per etu.
1000 civilians generate $8.33, uncompensated workers $3.78 each time unit.
1000 active military cost $83.33, reserves cost $8.33.

Happiness p.e. requires 1 happy stroller per 5000 civ.
Education p.e. requires 1 class of graduates per 4000 civ.
Happiness is averaged over 144 time units.
Education is averaged over 432 time units.
The technology/research boost you get from your allies is 1.56%.
Nation levels (tech etc.) decline 1% every 96 time units.
Tech Buildup is limited to logrithmic growth (base 2.00).

Options enabled in this game:
        ALLYHARBOR, SHOWPLANE, DROPANY, REJECTS, BMAP, AUTONAV, SCUTTLE, 
        CONVASAT, ABM, GRIND, NUKEFAILDETONATE, MISSINGMISSILES, SHIPNAMES, 
        NONUKESUB, BETTERABM, RANGEEDIT, MISSDEF, SHIPSAM, BIND, 
        UPDATESCHEDULING, MERC

The person to annoy if something goes wrong is Bob Beck
		(beck@cs.ualberta.ca).
You can get your own copy of the source by ftp'ing to ftp.cis.ksu.edu
--
 Bob Beck, beck@cs.ualberta.ca  University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alta. Canada.
From: st1dg@elroy.uh.edu (Wilkinson, Damon E.)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: replacement found
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:45 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    



wELL, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, i FOUND er.. sorry about the shouting -
i found a replacement -
no, I dont know who he usuallly plays, and dont really care
anymore -
got other things to do.
Anyway, thanks for those (to those?) who  responded.
From: perla@rhi.hi.is (Perla Hafsteinsdottir)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Luleo empire :can't connect!! :(
Keywords: Luleo
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:49:54 GMT

Help !! I haven't been able to connect to the Luleo Empire for about
26-7 hours now ...
Is it down or ??

If not then maybe it doesn't matter ...
I was on the edge of being overrun by Dolgopa ... *sigh*
And with the food system fucked up ...
Well there won't be much for him to take ... *grin*

Well this might be goodbye then Luleo ...
Greeetings, fortune and Gold , for Kesh_Con,Eclipse,Spitz and Outoland ...

Gnash the ex-Rebel leader ..
From: caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: More Fodder Reporting for Duty!! (First KILL)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:55:15 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1993Jan22.160927.2074@uvm.edu> emcglynn@moose.uvm.edu (Ted McGlynn, In the back row!) writes:
>(wheres my first kill??  Gen_Pro??!!)
>I miss him so....and his peaches!

	Hmm, reading this made me think, and I couldnt remember the first
	nation I defeated. Does anyone else out there remember their first
	kill?

	TOG
	Caeser M.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: umzach18@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Robert Zacharias)
Subject: TYRO II - Registration still on - Game starting soon!
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:33:49 GMT

Whew!  That went faster than expected.  I've received 27 countries to
date and am still looking to add 3 more.  There will also be a waiting
list for those who don't get in the first time around...there may be
"no-shows" or drop outs so people on the list could still get in.

Since things filled so quickly I guess there is no reason not to start
the game very shortly.  I've decided to START the game on:


	Tuesday - January 26, 1993
	at:  20:10 CST  (Just after the update time)


The reason I don't start it earlier is because I'm busy this weekend and
school things (yes...school stuff, tests, homework, etc. *sigh*) keep
me tide up till Tuesday.  The game is up now with a Visitor country set
up if you wish to test out your connections or browse through the info
files.  

As stated earlier the game will begin just after the update time.  At around
16:30 or so the next day I'll check to see who hasn't broken yet and assign
those countries to any who may be on the waiting list.  Okay, enough said
here's the list of the countries that our registered.

TYRO II  -  Country list

XOX		Angband		Azog		Kiniwe		Inferno
Manifold	Kubecja		Tharkadia	Janisland	Oglethorpe
Discordia	Blackthorn	Akagiyama	TOR		Brigadoon
Brutopia	Weirdo		xyzhao		Esperia		Sioux
Neverland	Dharma		Whirlwind	DOG		CTE
Solla_Sollew	General_Products


That's all of em.  Hope to see all of you on Tuesday.  


Rob
 


Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: tfoley@camaro.uucp (Tim Foley)
Subject: Re: Newbie type questions
Organization: camaro
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:50:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.090612.7341@umr.edu> mcastle@cs.umr.edu (Michael R Castle) writes:
>3)  Any 'baby servers' out there just for newbies to practice commands
>    on?  It's all fine and dandy to read about all the commands, 
>    but I'd like a chance to practice 'explore' and such before I 
>    possibly encounter a hostile foe.  (Or do I just loose on that 
>    point because no one else ever got that chance? :-)

  Well, this might not be of alot of help to yourself, but I'm presently 
running a newbie game on my system, but as of yet, its dial-up only.  
Internet connections are astronomical.  There are a few other Linux Users 
that have Chainsaw 2.2 running and most likely would be looking for players, 
try posting a request for a local dial system here or run Linux yourself and 
setup Chainsaw 2.2 on your own system and practice away!  Its free!
 
PS.  Thats what I did, was getting quite good until some UofT guy logged on 
with a fair amount of experience and in less than 10 updates cut me in 
half...needless to say...I learned a lesson..or two.. :)



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From: remy@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Remy Wetzels)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: VMS-Fortran and Old-C-empire on ftp.cis.ksu.edu
Keywords: VAX/VMS, Fortran, Old, 1981, 1977, Chuck Simmons, Walter Bright.
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:46:09 GMT
Organization: Stack Empire Games Administration, TU Eindhoven, the Netherlands.

Oh, one thing I forgot to mention... I put the Fortran sources uncompressed
or whatever, cause I think some people don't have tar or compress on their
VMS. another IMPORTANT NOTE! use ASCII transfer for these Fortran sources!!
VMS has quite a number of different types of file :-}

- Remy Wetzels.


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Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: madpit@athena.mit.edu (Douglas R. Pitters)
Subject: Re: More Fodder Reporting for Duty!! (First KILL)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:28:55 GMT

In article <1jp8tjINN1od@uwm.edu> caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.160927.2074@uvm.edu> emcglynn@moose.uvm.edu (Ted McGlynn, In the back row!) writes:
>>(wheres my first kill??  Gen_Pro??!!)
>>I miss him so....and his peaches!
>
>	Hmm, reading this made me think, and I couldnt remember the first
>	nation I defeated. Does anyone else out there remember their first
>	kill?
>
>	TOG
>	Caeser M.

How can anyone forget their first kill? 34th and 35th maybe, but not
first....


My first: A small cheese producing nation named Switzerland.
Killed him twice that game.  Why? He owned the machine.

He went on to play Ghostlands, a capable country, but still my
own personal  FODDER.


Sitting on a 15 bronco wait queue...ah the violence of netrek........



			The Saint


			Suboceana.

(Now known as Subby!)

P.S.  I don't read this group much anymore, so are the following
FODDERS still playing: Dorsai, Revelstone, Redline, Mirkwood, Afrika
Korps?


P.P.S  Have the big nukes been totally removed from the game, to
make the wimpy little FODDERS happy with continuing the mediocrity
of their sorry, piddly little countries, or are there still a few
nukes being tossed.

P.P.P.S  I hear that Guzzer is no longer FODDER, but is TOG still
FODDER?  And how about that mega-FODDER Lersing? Where is he?
Still hiding I'm sure.



All you newbies, save this post, it may be the first post
you've ever seen from the original country eater with
the devastating gift of gab.  The original- Suboceana.


Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: fsjjp@acad3.alaska.edu (A Pair-annoyed)
Subject: Re: EE IV Country Postings
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Organization: P.A.R.A.N.O.I.A
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:23:00 GMT

In article <C1CBov.LLw@athena.cs.uga.edu>, peiper@athena.cs.uga.edu (Garfield) writes...
>In article <1jt310INNaat@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> ragnar@macavity.engin.umich.edu (shawn  mahaney) writes:
>>
>>| I can not connect to the EE IV game.  I keep getting a "connect:conection 
>>| refused".  Is the game up so that I can check my login.
>>
>>
>>Same here.  Getting my client running was the first Unix C compiling
>>I've ever done, thought I'd messed something up.  
> 
> 
>	I am not sure about this But I think the machine it runs on is down
>at certain times. Possibly Sats, and maybe Fri or Sun?? Anyone knmow for
>sure??
>			
>			Richard
> 

        No, can't say for sure, but I know my girlfriend connected
        on friday.


Stuart_Hall
aka Co-Ruler of CTE 
aka Corwin
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