HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: C96@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Alexander EICHENER)
Subject: Re: Proposal for new alt group: alt.fan.anne-rice
Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:30:28 CET

In article <forb0004.209.727328869@student.tc.umn.edu>
forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis ) writes:
 
>I propose the formation of an alt group dedicated to the discussion of the
>writings of Anne Rice, alt.fan.anne-rice.
>Most discussion of Anne Rice's writings now occurs on alt.vampyres, and
>occasional posts occur on alt.erotica and rec.arts.books.<...>
><...>   Alt.erotica is an
>appropriate group to post for less than half of A.R.'s books, and rec.arts.
>books is so extremely active that it can be difficult to locate and respond
>to posts/threads before they scroll off many sites.
 
As far as rec.arts.books be concerned, Eric Forbis is certainly right.
However, there obviously is no such group as alt.erotica and it probably
will never exist. I think that I nevertheless know what Eric means ;-),
but still: shouldn't you check your assertions first before you make such
a proposal, Eric?
 
>The large majority of people I've heard from thusfar prefer an alt group to
>a mail- list. Aside from their relative ease of use and high visibility,
>such an alt group is preferable to a growing number of usenet users, those
>whose access is through a BBS. These users often do not have access to e-
>mail, and so cannot participate in mail-lists.
 
1) I am not totally sure that a newsreader is easier to use than a mailbox.
2) Visibility: do you earnestly think that a bunch of new readers will inun-
   date the Anne Rice fandom - readers that *did not* previously read
   alt.vampyres?
3) Access: I might be mistaken, and I am willing to learn. However, it was
   my impression that there might be more people who had access to email
   than to the Usenet(News) - just think of the whole BITNET world.
 
>If you are interested in reading or participating in an alt group dedicated
>to Anne Rice's writings and film(s), please respond favorably here.
 
Oops - I feel I might not quite fit your criteria. Sorry :-).
 
But, now, earnestly, even though I might just be repeating what Tim Pierce
and myself have written earlier: the better way would be to start a
mailing list which, if traffic warrants it, could then easily be converted
into a newsgroup. Just remember, please, that an existing Anne Rice
mailing list (manager was a US lady named Nicole or Nicolette) was closed
down sometime in the mid of last year for * lack of traffic *.
   I just feel that the alt.hierarchy is clogged up enough already.
 
Greetings, Alexander Eichener <c96@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Subject: alt.answers.d (was Re: alt.answers alternatives)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:04:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.041536.12133@netcom.com>, jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer) writes:
|> alt.answers.d would be for meta-discussions about FAQ posting.
|> It would be a simple replacement for the faq-maintainers mailing list.

As someone else who subscribes to the faq-maintainers list has already pointed
out here, many people on the faq-maintainers list don't *want* it to be
replaced by a newsgroup, and will continue to use the mailing list rather than
the newsgroup, even if a newsgroup is created.

If all mailing lists could be replaced by newsgroups, then there would be no
mailing lists.  There are reasons for the use of a mailing list rather than a
newsgroup, and the people on faq-maintainers appear to think that it qualifies.

As I have pointed out repeatedly when the subject of news.answers.d has come
up, I see no reason why FAQs can't be discussed in news.misc, and indeed, they
have been discussed there in the past.  Public discussions of FAQs are few and
far between, and therefore I don't think a separate newsgroup for them is
necessary.

It takes an impressive amount of hubris to propose to replace a mailing list
with a newsgroup when the members of that mailing list do not wish it to be
replaced and have stated so repeatedly.  But if you really think it would be
successful, Jef, sure, what the hell, go ahead and create alt.answers.d.  I'm
certainly not stopping you (as if I could!).

-- 
Jonathan Kamens                                         jik@MIT.Edu
Aktis, Inc.                                    Moderator, *.answers
From: vixie@pa.dec.com (Paul A Vixie)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt reorg
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:44:04
Organization: DEC Network Software Lab
	<VIXIE.93Jan26114628@cognition.pa.dec.com> <C1Huvo.zp@unix.amherst.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cognition.pa.dec.com
In-reply-to: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu's message of Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:55:00 GMT

> Who polices the cabal?

For now, probably me.

> On what basis do cabal members make the decisions?

Benign application of conservative aesthetics.  When someone creates a new
group with a stupid name just to make a joke, the alt.cabal will ignore it.
The existing stupid joke-named groups will stop existing on the cabal.  This
could be done by anyone who was willing to police their own active file, but
with alt it's a hell of a lot of work.
--
Paul Vixie, DEC Network Systems Lab	
Palo Alto, California, USA         	"Don't be a rebel, or a conformist;
<vixie@pa.dec.com> decwrl!vixie		they're the same thing, anyway.  Find
<paul@vix.com>     vixie!paul		your own path, and stay on it."  -me
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Re: Idea: alt.forensics
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:23:18 GMT

cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:

>Since so many college (and high school) debaters seem to have access
>to the net, and since a lot of former debaters might like to see 
>what's changed in the activity, and since grad students and so forth
>in Europe (and Canada I think) still participate in debate, why not
>establish an alt group about debate as a formal activity.  We could
>also analyze things like presidential debates and so on.  Possible
>names: alt.debate, alt.forensics?

I don't have a problem with the idea, though it'd be nice to see
some evidence that the group would actually get used.  I'd suggest
avoiding the word "forensics" unless you want to be plagued by
questions about whether "Quincy" was realistic or not :-)

-- 
Kenneth Herron                                            kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                                       +1 606 257 2975
Dept. of Mathematics "Your ball goes over them, it sails off the edge into a
huge cauldren of fire-breathing dragons."  "And they call this a par three?"
From: jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.answers alternatives
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:15:36 GMT
Reply-To: Jef Poskanzer <jef@netcom.com>
Organization: Paratheo-Anametamystikhood Of Eris Esoteric
X-Face: uPIE),q]+zmF49L%(pdE;nX/8$/J22&&&C@_)8BouYx42Y--?*,\]*MIeTY#mCM(x>FyD@+0D-Jm]S_8lxop(Q-$L#~b8!ha;eF[b+GOLyu<]4$">NeVymJ@F#M?1O`ue4,h4`2S^KGjmP%no(d,:<Ur:+f6W8$J:'t9BxH

phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson):
}alt.answers.d makes no sense either.  Almost all the FAQ lists already
}indicate proper venues for discussion.  A structurally flawed solution
}would be to leave the alt FAQ's in news.answers, or for Jon to 
}make the also flawed choice of moving them to misc.answers.

You misunderstand.  alt.answers.d would not be for discussion of the
contents of the FAQs.  As you say, the original groups suffice for
that.  alt.answers.d would be for meta-discussions about FAQ posting.
It would be a simple replacement for the faq-maintainers mailing list.
---
Jef

           Jef Poskanzer  jef@netcom.com  jef@well.sf.ca.us
 "Many people consider the things which government does for them to be
   social progress, but they consider the things government does for
                others to be socialism." -- Earl Warren
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: New Member
Date: 18 Jan 93 11:08:31 GMT

DH>I just wanted to state that:

DH>Dreamweavers' BBS
  >In the Nations Oldest City(St. Auggie for those who don't know)
  >is carrying this echo and the sister file echo.

DH>SysOp: Dale Hammond


DH> <- Dale ->

DH>--- msgedsq 2.1
  > * Origin: =-Dream Weavers BBS-= St.Augustine,Fl. (904)823-0947 (1:3620/11)

  Glad to have you here Dale.  How many of the files do you have?
    Marv Cotton and Russell Coombs, Moderators

 * QMPro 1.0 40-6074 * Children Deserve to Be Free And to Feel Safe
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Rules PT 1
Date: 24 Jan 93 06:48:39 GMT

MISSING_CHILD:     The Rules
=========================

     The purpose of the MISSING CHILDREN conference
     (area tag: MISSING_CHILD) is to provide topics
     which affect our lives most directly, Missing
     and or Abducted Children.

Handle and/or Aliases:
======================
Due to the sensitive subject matter of this echo Handles and/or Aliases
 are NOT allowed.
  SysOps who allow Handles/Aliases on their systems will ensure that
their users proper names are used in this echo.

Internet/USENET users will ensure that their name is in the message.
This includes those posting from systems which compresses their names
into 6 or 8 characters.  These people will enter their names in the
message.

Sticking to the topic:
======================
In general, a message will not be considered "off-topic" unless
it contains one or more of the following:

  1) Advertisements for services, items for sale or trade, BBS
     systems or organizations.

  2) Personal or organizational advertisements, if the message
     has no other content.

  3) Excessive use of terminology generally considered
     inappropriate for general audiences.

  4) Personal attacks in the form of SPECIFIC threats.

A single off-topic message is not necessarily cause for Moderator
action; however, the Moderator reserves the right to take
whatever steps he deems necessary to insure the integrity and
continuity of the conference.  In practice, this conference runs
itself very well; the Moderator does not expect that he will be
called upon to take action very often, and takes such action only
under the most compelling of circumstances.


(Cntd next msg)
From: Linda.Davis@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Linda Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: New Member
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:03:00 GMT

LS>Hello Y'all!

Hello Larry!

I ma here in Nova Scotia, Canada and I have just reciently joined this
echo..

LS>700 megs GIF on line

I have placed over 500 gifs of the missing people in my system and have
more to get...

LS>If anyone has had any Newspaper or other media coverage on the
LS>MISSING_CHILDREN BBS concept, please let me know what was covered. My Local
LS>newspaper is interested in doing a story on the GREAT service this echo and
LS>File area are to the community.

I was interview by ATV, a sister station for CTV here in Canada about two
weeks ago about the files and pictures that I have in connection with
the Heide Search Center from the USA. I am very pleased to say that I
have gotten a very good response from the viewers in this part of the
maritimes. I am also registered with the ChildFind here in Nova Scotia
as well and have made some contact with the RCMP in Halifax.

I am trying to get a copy of the tape that I have of the TV news
broadcast to send to Marv Cotton so that he can share it with every one
at Heidi. My biggest problem is getting the video to them with out any
damage to it in the mail.

Hope this helps .... Chat soon.


    inda
 ~ OLX 2.2 ~ South Shore Nova Scotia, the Carribean of Canada!
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Poll Message
Date: 13 Jan 93 11:13:00 GMT

DR>PF>> > Quoting Marv Cotton to All dated 12-04-92 ***
  >PF>> > This is our annual poll message.  Since traffic on this echo seems
  >PF>>to
  >PF>> > have subsided I would like to know how many participants we have.

DR>Marv..I missed the poll msg, as I started around 12/14 carrying this
  >conference.  Haven't really figured out yet how useful it is, as I
  >thought that it would carry descriptions, etc. of missing children.
  >Anyway, I am:

DR>                Doug Roberts
  >                The Moveable Image
  >                Gray, Maine
  >                (207) 657-4423


  Thanks Doug.  Glad to have you on the echo.
    Marv

 * QMPro 1.0 40-6074 * Children Deserve to Be Free And to Feel Safe
From: Jon.Labarr@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Jon Labarr)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: New Member
Date: 14 Jan 93 11:22:48 GMT

A very big WELCOME from Albany NY.......

                                       JON
                                    SYSOP OF
                                   JON'S PLACE

---
From: Linda.Davis@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Linda Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Hello
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:08:00 GMT

KM>Green Wave BBS
KM>A student operated BBS at Delbarton School in Morristown, NJ.

KM>....is pleased to announce that it is carrying this echo.

KM>Sysops

KM>--- WM v2.03/92-0076
KM> * Origin: =<GREEN WAVE BBS>= NJ. 201-538-8829 V32 (1:2606/550)

SUPER! Glad to hear this here in Nova Scotia Canada.... Good luck and
God Bless.

    inda
---
 ~ OLX 2.2 ~ From Halifax, Nova Scotia - Canada's Ocean Playground
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: New Member
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:46:00 GMT

LS>Hello Y'all!

LS>I Just wanted to say that

LS>                        "Ancient City Wireless"
  >                       "The Nations Oldest City"

LS>Is now Carring this echo and the companion File area.

LS>100 megs Ham Radio Files online
  >700 megs GIF on line

LS>If anyone has had any Newspaper or other media coverage on the
  >MISSING_CHILDREN BBS concept, please let me know what was covered. My Local
  >newspaper is interested in doing a story on the GREAT service this echo and
  >File area are to the community.


LS>73
  >de KC4TDS

LS>--- timEd/B6
  > * Origin: Ancient City Wireless, St.Augustine,Fl.[V32b] 904-823-351
  >(1:3620/9)

  Glad to have you on the echo Larry.  There have been several articles
around the country touching on what the echo is doing and the
distribution of Missing Child GIFs.
  Marv Cotton and Russell Coombs, Moderators

 * QMPro 1.0 40-6074 * Children Deserve to Be Free And to Feel Safe
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: New Member
Date: 13 Jan 93 11:13:01 GMT

LS>Hello Y'all!

LS>I Just wanted to say that

LS>                        "Ancient City Wireless"
  >                       "The Nations Oldest City"

LS>Is now Carring this echo and the companion File area.

LS>100 megs Ham Radio Files online
  >700 megs GIF on line

LS>If anyone has had any Newspaper or other media coverage on the
  >MISSING_CHILDREN BBS concept, please let me know what was covered. My Local
  >newspaper is interested in doing a story on the GREAT service this echo and
  >File area are to the community.


LS>73
  >de KC4TDS

LS>--- timEd/B6
  > * Origin: Ancient City Wireless, St.Augustine,Fl.[V32b] 904-823-351
  >(1:3620/9)

  Glad to have you on the echo Larry.  There have been several articles
around the country touching on what the echo is doing and the
distribution of Missing Child GIFs.
  Marv Cotton and Russell Coombs, Moderators

 * QMPro 1.0 40-6074 * Children Deserve to Be Free And to Feel Safe
From: Bob.Houseman@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Bob Houseman)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Found
Date: 9 Jan 93 04:16:00 GMT

A message from Shawn Oatley on 12-29-92 to Linda Davis included this:

SO> I have nothing against
SO> you!
SO> Sorry!  :)

Shawn, what do you mean by this?  Do you mean you're sorry that you don't
having anything against Linda?

RSVP v. 1.4 <an email HyperCard stack!>
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: New Member
Date: 17 Jan 93 03:46:00 GMT


  > MC>   Glad to have you on the echo Larry.  There have been several
  > MC> articles around the country touching on what the echo is
  > MC> doing and the distribution of Missing Child GIFs.
  > MC>   Marv Cotton and Russell Coombs, Moderators

LS>Does any one have copies that I can request via SNAIL Mail I would really
  >like to get some back ground on what this is all about..The  concept is
  >really great.


LS> <-= Larry =->


  Larry, FReq Request.Zip, HEIDI.ZIP, HEIDIMSG.ZIP, CHILDMIS.ZIP and
CHILDFND.ZIP from me at 387/622.  These will give you an idea of what we
are doing.  Return the Request.Zip from me and send me some disks at the
Heidi Search Center, address in the files.  And I will mail you the
GIFs.  There are over 7.5 Mb.
  Later, Marv

 * QMPro 1.0 40-6074 * Children Deserve to Be Free And to Feel Safe
From: Linda.Davis@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Linda Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Found
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:57:00 GMT

SO>LD> Foul play is not ruled out.
SO>One thing (if I may enter this conversation).  These people are assholes
tha
SO>do this!  It is as if they are so stupid that they have nothing better to
do
SO>than this!  I can't stand it!
SO>Thanks, just had to say my thing...

I understand exactly what you mean...
You are welcome Shawn and we will chat soon again.

    inda

BoneHead's Paradise
(902)883-1034
1:255/117@fidonet
 ~ OLX 2.2 ~ Children Deserve to be Free and Fell Safe
From: Linda.Davis@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Linda Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: New Member
Date: 20 Jan 93 22:09:00 GMT

Hello Grag...

GN>Hello there Linda!

GN> LD>   X  Xinda
GN>       ^  ^

I ma sorry and I thank you for bringing this to my attention...

GN> LD>  X OLX 2.2 X Children Deserve to be Free and Fell Safe
GN>      ^         ^

GN>Linda, this conference is gated to many nets, some of them cannot handle
the
GN>high ascii that your reader makes, could you possibly configure the reader
t
GN>not make these characters?

Here again I am sorry, I was using the wrong tagline style in
here..Forgot about the Fido style..

GN>Thank you for your consideration on this matter.

My pleasure Greg, I will make sure that it doesn't happen again. Thanks
for your note..

Linda...


 * OLX 2.2 * They that strive will succeed!!
From: Andrew.Wilson@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Andrew Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Found
Date: 16 Jan 93 05:48:19 GMT

LD>SO>LD> Foul play is not ruled out.
LD>SO>One thing (if I may enter this conversation).  These people are assholes
LD>tha
LD>SO>do this!  It is as if they are so stupid that they have nothing better t
LD>do
LD>SO>than this!  I can't stand it!
LD>SO>Thanks, just had to say my thing...

LD>I understand exactly what you mean...
LD>You are welcome Shawn and we will chat soon again.
     Just what are you so upset about?

 ~ SLMR 2.1a ~ This tagline stolen by Silly Little Mail Reader!
From: Michael.Downing@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Michael Downing)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Found
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:16:00 GMT

> AREA:MISSING_CHILD
>  PID: RA 1.11
>  MSGID: 1:11/70 50ec9ab8
> A message from Shawn Oatley on 12-29-92 to Linda Davis included this:
 
> SO> I have nothing against
> SO> you!
> SO> Sorry!  :)
 
> Shawn, what do you mean by this?  Do you mean you're sorry that you don't
> having anything against Linda?
 
> RSVP v. 1.4 <an email HyperCard stack!>
> --- FMail 0.92
> * Origin: NIU Connection (815)753-1800  (1:11/70)
 
  Excuse me please....but what does this conversation have to do with us
  trying to locate MISSING CHILDREN.....Perhaps the moderator need to re-post
  the rules and give us another briefing.
 
  Regards,
 
  Michael
From: Jon.Labarr@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Jon Labarr)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: missing_child gifs
Date: 18 Jan 93 06:15:23 GMT

Hi Marv
 
I am the sysop of Jon's Place bbs, and I would like to know if you or anyone
can help me find copys of the gifs files, of Missing Children and Missing
Persons, I would to set them up so all my users can see them, and just maybe
we can find another missing child or missing person, thank you for any help
you or anyone out there can give me.......
 
Jon
From: erchul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David A. V. Erchul)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Hey
Date: 23 Jan 1993 12:03:39 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: erchul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu



	I just noticed this group and just HAVE to ask    

	Are FidoNet people the only ones that post to this group?     



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From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Hello
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:28:00 GMT

KM>Green Wave BBS
  >A student operated BBS at Delbarton School in Morristown, NJ.


KM>....is pleased to announce that it is carrying this echo.


KM>Sysops


KM>--- WM v2.03/92-0076
  > * Origin: =<GREEN WAVE BBS>= NJ. 201-538-8829 V32 (1:2606/550)

  Glad to have them participating Kent.
    Marv Cotton and Russell Coombs, Moderators

 * QMPro 1.0 40-6074 * Children Deserve to Be Free And to Feel Safe
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Rules PT 2
Date: 24 Jan 93 06:49:33 GMT

The nature of things:
=====================
Perhaps the most important rules in MISSING_CHILD echo are simply
these:

  1) Do not be easily offended.

  2) Do not easily offend.

Since the very nature of MISSING_CHILD echo deals with a highly
emotional subject, Missing/Abducted children, you must realize
that people may react strongly to messages you may post.  Please
remember the purpose of this echo is to find missing and abducted
children.

When you post something in MISSING_CHILD, do so with the
expectation that someone might take exception to it.  Some
subjects provoke almost violent reactions among some conference
users, and you should not be surprised to receive fierce and
intemperant replies from time to time. This is inevitable in
MISSING_CHILD, and it is considered bad form to run to the
Moderator when it happens, unless specific violations of the
topic rules above have taken place.

Feelings run high in the MISSING_CHILD echo.
The Moderators reserves the right to make these fine
judgment calls as they see fit.

In general:
===========
The Moderator feels that origin lines, at least, ought to be
verifiable and legitimate.

Complaints to the Moderator should be sent in private Netmail,
if offered by your sysop, to 1:387/622, or 1:109/607.  Post
complaints on the conference itself only if there is no other
way.

The Moderator reserves the right to take part in any or all
discussions on the conference, without regard to his status as
Moderator.  When he is acting specifically as Moderator, he will
sign his message as:


Marv Cotton, 1:387/622
Russell Coombs, 1:2612/107

MISSING_CHILD Conference Moderators