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From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Airline charges
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:56:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Apr7.185615.610
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr7.183558.15180@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> rjt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ross.j.thompson) writes:
>In article <9204071651.AA02999@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, EASTON@SJFEVMX.VNET.IBM.COM ("John Easton") writes:
>> I'll be flying across country and want to take my MTB.  American
>> Airlines is my carrier.  They quoted me a transportation price for the
>> MTB of $45.00, each way.  There's got to be a cheaper way of doing this.
>> I'd like to have the bike as soon as I arrive.  Any recommendations
>> (UPS, Greyhound, etc.)?  Prices?
>
>Get yourself a US Amateur membership ($75/yr) and book all your flights
>on either Continental or Delta.  US Amateur membership entitles you to
>no-fee luggage vouchers for sports equipment when traveling on these two
>airlines.  Just call USAmateur (800-number) and tell them you flight
>numbers and they will mail you the luggage passes.  Note that even though
>the membership is not free, it is still cheaper than the round-trip baggage
>charge by American, UA, Northwest, etc. and you can used it as many times
>as you like during the year.
>
>Ross
>AT&T Bell Laboratories

You can also join the USCF or NORBA, and get free (I think) bike
transport on United (again, I think), plus a discount on the air fare.
All you have to do is state that you are attending a USCF- or
NORBA-sponsored race, camp, or meeting.  I'm also not sure whether
the discount is in addition to other discounts, or applies only to
the full fare.

Has anyone taken advantage of this yet?

John_Ampe@att.com
From: bchivers@tailor.mitre.org (Brent Chivers)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NO Bicycle Rip-Off in Cupertino
Keywords: kickstand
Date: 1 Apr 92 19:45:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr1.194527.24364
Organization: The MaiTai Corp, McLean, VA


In article <16190210@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella) writes:
> In rec.bicycles, bchivers@smiley.mitre.org (Brent Chivers) writes:
> 
> > > Do you really leave your bike unlocked in places
> > > where there is nothing to lean it against?
> > 
> > Yes -- my living room.
> 
> I don't know about your living room, but mine has four
> walls (one with black marks all over it from my chain...).

Between doorways, low windows, and furniture, I have no wall
space.  I choose not to lean my (often dirty) bike on the
couch, piano, bookcases, television screen, or venetian blinds.

> In any case, my living room doesn't generally leave the house, so I
> really don't see the need to attach some lead weight to my bike when
> I ride just to keep my walls clean.  I'd just buy a stand to keep at home.

Seeing as my kickstand didn't cost extra money (the bike would not
have been cheaper without it -- it's welded, not bolted, on), it's
sometimes useful other places, and I'm riding for exercise, I'll
stay with the kickstand.  The weight is negligible next to the
books in my pack and the pounds of batteries for my night commutes.

We all have different needs, and different constraints.

> Kind of like if they always put automatic transmission,
> or AC, or a fancy stereo, in all cars...

Or a cigarette lighter....
-- 
______________________________________________________________________

Brent Chivers		McLean, VA		bchivers@mitre.org	
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rlm@sunlight.Physics.UIowa.Edu (Robert Mutel)
Subject: Opinions on Specialized Carbon-Fiber bike requested
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:44:55 GMT

The local bike shop has a Specialized carbon-fiber bike with Shimano 600 components (including clipless pedals) on sale for $900 (retail $1400). It might be last year's model, I don't remember. Has anyone had experience with this bike? I do mostly long distance touring (150-200 miles per week average) and have a perfectly serviceable Trek 400 with 105 comps, but it's getting a bit beat up and the frame seems to be bent (I con't take my hands off the handle bars without leaning way over).


I figure this would be my only bike purchase for the next 10 years, but I wonder if the carbon frames are really OK finally (no joint failures).
 
-- 
Robert Mutel
Department of Physics and Astronomy
University of Iowa
Iowa City IA 52242

Telephone: 319-335-1950      FAX: 319-335-1753
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Slick tires for mountain bikes.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:46:53 GMT

I could use some opinions on slick mountain bike tires.  I'm particularly
interested in comments on Specialized fat boys and the new Avocet "inverted
tread" tires.  Also coments on which width for road riding (I assume the
narrower the better) and tire pressure would be welcome.  I'm so in love with
my new Bridgestone MB-2 that I want to ride it in a metric century at the
end of the month.  I've put Onza L bar ends on it so it should be comfortable
enough and will be adding clipless pedals soon.
-Terry

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,misc.consumer
From: kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist))
Subject: Hit by a Pizza Pizza delivery car
Organization: CSI Dept., University of Ottawa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 02:15:11 GMT

ARRRRGGGGHHH!!!!!!

Got hooked and took a ride on the hood of the car and got thrown.  The driver
did not even stop.

Luckily, I was more or less unhurt and went straight to complain to his
manager.  He fired the driver.

I decided not to lay charges on this guy, but the cop gave him a real shit.

I'm sure you all have heard of this.  Sorry.  I'm just really PO'ed.
-- 
Ken Iisaka  kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca | Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do.
Artificial Intelligence Laboratory | I'm half crazy over the love of you.
      University of Ottawa, Canada | It won't be a stylish marriage, I can't
         (613) 564-8155 / 789-2932 | afford a carriage,
From: junck@okra.fnal.gov (Kevin Junck)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Vetta 20 cyclocomputer
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:15:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: linac.O80H0_N0!
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL

In article <1992Apr13.160033.6952@wam.umd.edu> floyd@wam.umd.edu (Jim Matthews) writes:

>>   Andy Dickinson writes
  >> Just a casual inquiry -- anyone have the new Vetta C-20 cyclocomputer?
  >> I was thinking of getting one 'cause it is the cheapest one I've seen
  >> with both cadence and a clock.
  >> 
  >> Anyone used it?

>   I wish I could tell you.  I ordered one from Nashbar for my MTB, and it's been
>   backordered for a month now.  I called them up and they said they are having
>   problems getting shipments from France.  Anyone else have this problem?
>   --

From a novice biker: I just called Nashbar this morning and they are
still on backorder with anticipated arrival around beginning of May.
Would this type of computer work very well for my "commuting bike"? (I
ride a Giant mostly on bike paths about 12 miles to work.  I believe
the correct term for this type of bike is a hybrid, it's not a full
strength Mountain Bike, but certainly not a lightweight touring bike
either).

--
Kevin L. Junck     a.k.a. Junck@okra.fnal.gov            708-840-8368
Fermi National Accelerator Lab                 Batavia, Illinois, USA
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ileung@ee.ubc.ca (LEUNG ISAAC JING H)
Subject: Paris-Roubaix
Organization: UBC Electical Engineering
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:57:46 GMT

Well, what are the results???!!!?!?!?!!
I'm dyin'....

Could someone please post 'em up?

Isaac Leung
(should be studyin' for my finals....)
From: sean@cs.tamu.edu (Sean Graves)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Dumb Lifecycle (was Dumb Huffy Ad)
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:33:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr15.173244.3528@cbfsb.cb.att.com> weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt) writes:
>Not to brag but I
>set the thing on level 12 for 24 minutes and a "Hill" terain type.
>This is the hardest workoone can set on the machine. 

I agree with everything you had to say about the Lifecycle,
except this:  I guarantee that Level 12 for 24 minutes on the
Hill program is not as hard of a workout as the equivalent
Manual program.  Of course 24 minutes in the manual program 
at any level is even more boring than the hill program.

It seems silly to me that 24 minutes is the maximum program length. 
Usually I do two of these in a row, but still 48 minutes seems pretty
short compared to an average ride of three hours or more.

That's why we ride bike and not ride Lifecycle, eh?

Sean



Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Organization: Wayne State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:55:22 GMT

After a couple days of riding Looks I have discovered that it takes a
little modification of your riding style...and you have to remember to
rotate out!
 
Like many bikers, I try to stay on the bike at stoplights by doing
a trackstand. And like many bikers, I can't really do a decent trackstand,
so I end up putting a foot down when the bike starts to teeter. Well...
there I was at a stoplight yesterday, slowly tilting to the right. I
tried to slide my foot out, and by the time I remembered that I had
to *rotate* out I was at about a 45 degree angle to the ground. "#$%~",
I said to myself and no one in particular.
 
A 0mph crash isn't too injurious, so other than a skinned knee I escaped
unharmed. But now I automatically rotate out without thinking about it.
 
     --mike
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pete@Panda1.UOttawa.CA (Peter Hickey)
Subject: Re: Spring cancelled in Ottawa, Canada
Organization: Computing & Comm. Services, University of Ottawa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 14:25:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.190931.18691@keps.kodak.com> pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock) writes:
>
>BTW, for those of you who aren't aware, weather is not determined by 
>cold fronts and warm fronts or any of that garbage that weather people
>on TV talk about, it is determined by what people WANT. The problem is
>that some people want to keep skiing as long as possible and others 
>want it to be warm, so you get a compromise, cold sleet, where no one
>is happy. OK, so everybody, start thinking WARM happy thoughts so we
>can get on with SPRING!!!!
>

Hey!  I *like* weather.  I have roller skis for the summer, and
a winter bike for the winter.  I just think that I would like to
have some weather today, and it *always* works.

Tonight I'm going to cycle home, run for an hour, then maybe I'll
do a bit os X-C skiing.  All thanks to weather!

-Pete

-- 
Pete Hickey               | Pete@mudhead.uottawa.CA | "If a vegetarian eats
Communication Services    |   or (if desperate)     |  vegatables, then what
University of Ottawa      | petehic@uottawa.bitnet  |  does a humanitarian
Ottawa,Ont. Canada K1N 6N5|  (613) 564-7646         |  eat?"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: armand@locus.com (                                            )
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 20:49:28 GMT

coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman) writes:

>stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>>I heard in mainland China if a driver hits a pedestrian, they sometimes go
>>back and run over the person again until they are dead.  If the victim dies
>>they just have to pay funeral expenses, whereas they live, they have to pay
>>medical bills and compensation which is more costly.
>
>You don't think they do it here?  I've been advised by a lawyer friend of mine
>to do just what you describe (she was making a very dark joke, of course).
>

Well, looks like your "lawyer" friend wants you to generate some 
revenue for her. Hummm! Those totally unselfish, philanthropist
lawyers.

         ___o
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armand@locus.com  || 9800 La Cienega Blvd        || with my ramblings in 
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From: peterd@codex.UUCP (Peter Desnoyers)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:52:37 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Codex Corp., Canton MA

hull@tegra.COM (Andy Hull) writes:
>jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson(sysadm)) writes,
>
>>> Roads were first built *FOR* bicycles.  We tolerate cars and motorcycles
>>> since many people can not or will not learn to use the apropriate vehicle
>>> :)
>
>          This is exactly the attitude of so many bicyclists have that
>        really anger the rest of us.  You know where you can put the
>        smiley because you haven't fooled anyone.  *THE* roads were in
>        place long before there were any of your sacred *bicycles*. 

Please get your facts straight before flaming like this on the net.

Before the automobile existed, the League of American Wheelmen (a
*bicycling* organization) was lobbying to turn the long, narrow
mudpits that were called roads at that time into surfaced roads that
were acceptable for bicycle traffic. If these roads weren't *already*
in place when the automobile was invented, you'd probably be riding
the train home from work this evening.

>	 The
>        fact that *bicycles* are *supposed* to move to the right for
>        faster traffic does not mean that they do.  When I was a small
>        child I was taught to ride my *bicycle* on the side of the so
>        that I wouldn't be killed.

Parents teach their children a lot of things. Some parents teach their
kids to ride bicycles on the wrong side of the road, which is illegal.
Some parents teach their children that the world is flat and science is
false. Your parents and what they taught you are your problem, not
mine; I'll stick with the traffic code and studies of bicycle/car
accidents. 

>  You are no
>        better than the rest of us and *you* have no more right to road
>        than anyone else.  In addition your attitude sucks; get a life

I'm curious - is tegra.com a real commercial address, or is it an edu
site in disguise? Or are you some high school kid with a guest account
where one of your parents work?  I'm not used to quite this attitude
on the net from non-students.

				Peter Desnoyers
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: idelson@idg02.bms.com (Ira Idelson)
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:13:39 GMT

In article <167C56F6A.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>After a couple days of riding Looks I have discovered that it takes a
>little modification of your riding style...and you have to remember to
>rotate out!
> 
When I had toe clips and strapd I had trouble getting out in an emergency.
My natural tendency is to rotate out insteat of pulling up and back. I
used to loosen my srtraps if the hill looked tough. This way I knew I'd
be able to get out of the pedals quickly although I sacrificed mechanical
advantage.

Because my natural tendency is to rotate outward, I took to clipless
pedals the first time with no problems at all.

Ira Idelson
idelson@idg02.bms.com
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cellular biking hazards
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:39:08 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <ktr6rsINNe2p@sal-sun73.usc.edu> dittrich@sal-sun73.usc.edu (MotrinMan) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.204433.24988@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:
> >[From San Jose Mercury News, 3 April 1992.]
> >
> >Monica Seles sprained her wrist this week after taking a tumble on her
> >bike while pedalling in Sarasota, Florida.  The tennis player's
> >cellular phone went off in her handlebar basket and when she reached
> >to answer it, she lost control and  .  .  .  crash.
> >
>
>And people complain about motorists who use cellular phones while driving.
>

Because motorists with cellular phones kill other people rather than
spraining their own wrists!  Monica got what she deserved.  If she'd been
in a car someone else would have gotten it instead.
-- 
****************************************************************************
Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
			   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
From: own@castle.ed.ac.uk (O Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bike prices in US
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:36:04 GMT
Organization: Scottish Agricultural College

Could someone please E-Mail me prices I can expect to pay for the
following bikes in the US (NY)?  
	Canondale SM400
	Canondale SM500
	Kona Hahana (sp?)
	Kona Fire Mountain 	

Has anyone in the UK any experience of bringing back a new cycle from
the States? Is it worth the air fare? Do you have to pay tax at customs?
Is the guarantee (for all practical purposes) void when you buy abroad?

Thanks in advance,

Olly Morgan
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian seeks biking shoes
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:02:01 GMT

freshair@iastate.edu (James W Gregory) writes:

>In <1992Apr9.022854.8661@slc.com> marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie) writes:

>>Andy Dickinson (ad0834@csc.albany.edu) writes:

>>> 	Ok... weird message title, but basically it describes my
>>> question:  Does anyone know of anyone that makes 100% synthetic
>>> cycling shoes?  It seems like almost all the shoes I've seen have at
>>> least leather uppers or trim... anyone have any leads on where to find
>>> non-leather shoes?

>(BTW, all of the Avia shoes in the new Bike Nashbar catalog are
>described as being made of synthetic leather.  They also cost a good
>deal less, on average, than the leather shoes made by Look, Time, etc.
>Hopes this helps, Andy....)

I wonder what gaseous & liquid/solid waste byproducts come from the
synthetic leather making process -- may in the long run be worse for
the animals & us than killing the animals for their skins.

Sort of reminds me of when it was fashionable to announce one's
preference for drinking de-caf coffee so as to avoid caffeine (why
isn't this word in Sun's spelling dictionary???).  Only to find out
that the process then for making de-caf coffee was soaking it in
formaldehyde, a known carcinogen.  Not a very far-sighted fad!!!


-- 
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From: sean@cs.tamu.edu (Sean Graves)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: MS150 Silly Rule
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:09:43 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University

Well, I just received my registration acknowledgement for an MS150.
One of the ride rules listed is:
"DON'T FORGET, HELMETS ARE MANDATORY AND HEADSETS ARE NOT ALLOWED."
                                         ^^^^^^^^
This seems rather shocking to me, since removing the bearings, races,
seals, etc., from my front tube will cause great steering difficulties.
I'm a little worried about riding in any pacelines or racing down
hills without a headset.  

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Sean

p.s. OH, THEY MEAN HEADPHONES!  nevermind...
From: macintyr@bigmips.uucp (Craig MacIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:23:14 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Dept of Mathematics

In article <1992Apr7.171503.21267@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
>
>If you get thrown by something you can't react to [such as a chunk of metal
>suddenly locking your front wheel] will the force release a clipless pedal? 
>
>Does anyone have any anecdotes on this?
>
>-dk
I have a friend who just recently exeperienced something like this.  He
was riding down a street and got a 2800 lb automobile stuck in his front
wheel.  It seems that the driver assumed the yield sign didn't apply to
him and he t-boned my friend.  According to Steve, he released immediately
from his Look pedals (left a huge chunk of flesh attached to the front
bumper though.)  His bike ended up under the car in a shape that resembled
a big red pretzel.
I have crashed several times while riding with my Mavic (old style-Look
copy) pedals and the only time I didn't release was in a 2mph dump. (I got
caught in a sewer grate).  I have dumped a bike at about 18 mph when
I used toe clips and stayed attached.

-- 
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# Craig MacIntyre		Graduate Student, Mathematics Department    #
#  macintyr@bigmips.tamu.edu             Texas A&M University               #
#############################################################################
From: apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:24:17 GMT
Subject: BMA report on cycling and health
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

The BMA (British Medical Association) report on cycling and health, which
concludes that cycling brings more health benefits than leading a sedentary
life, is published as a paperback book "Cycling:  Towards Health and Safety"
by OUP, price 5.99 pounds, ISBN 019 216 1514.

Information courtesy of New Cyclist magazine.

Andrew
From: slo@otter.hpl.hp.com (Steve Loughran)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:26:45 GMT
Subject: Low Profile brakes=low performance braking?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles


I've just replaced some shimano XT brake shoes/blocks on my
"low profile" cantilevers by some Fisher Koolstop ones, which I have used
for years on another bike & never had any complaints about.

The first time I try a major descent I discover that even though the brakes
go on fast, they dont to slow me down.
(stuff about panic and near death left out for brevity)

So, just a brief question to the Groupset Gurus out there:

Have I set up my low profile cantis badly or is it just that
low-profile brakes + 2 finger levers require me to buy overpriced
shimano blocks?

Its not just the cost, its the fact they are bigger than my rims & so 
need regular trimming to stop jamming under them...

	-Steve
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:00:32 GMT

Richard Ottolini writes:
>Being both an avid driver and bicyclist I would say driver compliance with
>laws is much higher than bicyclists, I'd say 90% to 25%, especially for basic
>things like observing stop signs, staying on the correct side of the road,
>having night lights on the vehicle.  [.  .  .]

Really?  For example, 90% of all motorists obey the speed laws on
freeways?  I wonder where Mr. Ottolini gathers these amazing statistics.

--
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Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022