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From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Re: hypnosis to quit smoking
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 20:29:12 GMT

In <1992Dec26.002607.4489@gossip.urich.edu> martinher@urvax.urich.edu writes:

(in part)

>I have aided people to stop smoking.  In my opinion this is
>one of the more difficult changes to assist.  Weight loss is
>even harder.  In the case of weight loss the feedback loops 
>are all stacked against you.  Even if the person changes 
>TOTALLY, it still takes many weeks or months before an 
>appreciable weight loss can be measured.  Don't kid yourself,
>almost every overweight person has lost 10-50 pounds over 
>and over during their life.  They have no way of KNOWING that
>a change has taken place for quite some time. ... 

Lest anyone take Herb's description of weight loss as a post-
hypnotic suggestion that weight loss is potentially doomed
to failure...

What I do is change the behaviors that *lead* to weight loss:
Making exercise a compulsion; creating the requisite behaviors
so that consumption is carefuly metered; expanding and maximizing
the awareness of internal body signals (e.g., most obese people
are extraordinarily INsensitive to early warning signs of
stomach fullness).  By "chunking down" the behaviors to those
for which evidence can be collected in the short term, the
subject sees appropriate feedback of relevant kinds that are
recognized (by the subject) as leading to the goal they originally
set.

The design of an outcome is a recursive process, especially in
"big" issues like smoking and weight loss:  Each outcome gets
broken down into individual well-formed outcomes which, in its
own rite, can be measured in the short term.  Sometimes, I've
been known to provide some medium-term amnesia for the long-range
goal to avoid the implicit sabotage:  They look back from a point
six months after the intervention (in reality...and in trance as
a rehearsal for that future event) and notice how far they've
gotten toward their goal...without having to fret over it in the
meantime.
-- 
--Friday                                    "Knowledge is guesswork
   Carol Anne Ogdin, Principal Designer         disciplined by 
   Deep Woods Technology                        rational criticism." 
     friday@netcom.com                                 --Karl Popper
From: martinher@urvax.urich.edu
Subject: NLP Business Courses
Reply-To: martinher@urvax.urich.edu
Organization: University of Richmond
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:43:45 GMT

Does anyone have references to NLP Business courses?  I need to
investigate courses for our business and computer analysts and
consultants.  I cannot just send them to a psychology oriented
course and say, "Pretend".

Something along the lines of "Business Communications" or maybe
even sales...?

Herb Martin
martinher@urvax.urich.edu
From: keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: Self-Hypnosis Book Recommendation
Keywords: hypnosis self-hypnosis book
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:40:56 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Originator: keg@strathspey.llnl.gov


In article <1992Dec17.053759.23949@netcom.com>, friday@netcom.com 
(Carol Anne Ogdin) writes (as a recommendation for a self-hypnosis book):

|> Brian M. Alman, Ph.D. & Peter T. Lambrou, Ph.D.:
|>    SELF-HYPNOSIS:  The Complete Manual for Health and
|>        Self-Change  Second Edition; Brunner/Mazel, 1992, $22.95
|>
|> [... Description deleted ...]

For those wishing to order this book (or to get a Brunner/Mazel catalog)
their numbers are: 800-825-3089, 212-242-6339 (FAX).

Brunner Mazel also has about 20 different audio-tapes done by Alman & Lambrou
to supplement this book.  Most of them are designed for the lay person
rather than the professional therapist.  The lay tapes are priced at $12.95.
These can at least provide examples of the delivery styles and intonations
used by the authors in working with this material.


-- 
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  I Keith Eric Grant        I same thing, moving at different speeds.  A    I
  I keg@strathspey.llnl.gov I sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. I
  I                         I (or perhaps dancing is just common sense)     I
  +-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
  I For certain it is, that any ideas expressed above are of my own humble  I
  I opinion and bear nary a relation to the policies or positions of LLNL   I
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From: 5546yuj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: UNIVERSITY STUDENTS WANTING TO LEARN HYPNOSIS
Date: 23 Dec 1992 16:48:11 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: 5546yuj@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsf.csd.mu.edu

In article <1h8nj7INNjhj@mirror.digex.com>, curt@access.digex.com (curt williams) writes:
>I'm new to this news group.  In fact I'm new to the internet.

>If anyone (particularly university students 8 hour drive or less
>from Washington, DC) is interested, please respond by e-mail or
>net reply.  Incidentally, I don't practice medicine

Do you tour around?

I am here in Wisconsin.

JY MU
From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: OFF-LINE READER
Date: 3 Jan 1993 16:14:02 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com


I received a garbled header (no message text) with subject line
OFF-LINE READER?? after a previous post where I indicated that I
was installing new software that included an "Off-line reader."

Seems like some explanation is in order.  I access the internet
through two separate providers.  I have a SPARCstation connected
to a network at work where I sometimes read mail and posts.  I have
a fairly sensitive position, so I don't like to do too much stuff
unrelated to work from work.  To fix this I also have an account
with a provider in Greenbelt, MD, which I access from a DOS machine
at home.

The provider's basic charge gives me one prime-time hour per day and 
unlimited nonprime-time access.  Most of my messaging and news reading
is done during prime time-- so..........it can get quite expensive.
Consequently, I'm installing software which will download all the
news groups I subscribe to and all my mail, and then disconnect me
from the provider's computer.  End of charges.  Then at my leisure
I can read and reply to news and mail.  When I get done the software
uploads new posts and replies in a format the service provider can
handle (using uunencode, for something like that).

The software I'm using is Q-Modem Pro (I have no financial interest).
It cost $89 at Software, Etc.  I'm sure it can be found anywhere.

I hope this explains what I meant by "Off-Line Reader."  If anyone is
interested, I'll let you know whether it works as advertized.

Curt
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From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: Can Intuition be taught/enhanced
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:27:36 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Dec21.205603.13725@atlastele.com>, sameer@atlastele.com writes:
:Hi,
:I wanted to get your opinions on how should one go about enhancing 
:intuition or "hunches". How does one charecterize hunches from 
:random thoughts. Where does "gut feel" come from. Can hypnosis be
:used to enhance these feelings.
:Thanks,
:Sameer..

There are many, many approaches to this. I will suggest the simplest
way I can think of to do this.

When you have a decision to make, ask yourself how you would feel
later on for each of the choices. If you are quiet and attentive, you
will get a feeling for it. For me that feeling usually centers around
the area of my navel.

The most important thing is to practice and pay attention. It is the
sort of thing where I can tell you what to do, but I'm not really
telling you anything, because I can't give you the experience. 

At first, you will probably be wrong a lot of the time, so don't base
very important decisions on this alone, until you develop more
confidence, and learn to distinguish between real intuitions and
wishful thinking.

Hypnosis could help by quieting the mind down so that it is easier to
listen to this feeling.

Hope this helps.
			-Lorenzo
-- 
Happiness is just a                     ******************************
remembrance away.                       *  Lorenzo Farris            *
                                        *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
                                        ******************************
From: martinher@urvax.urich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: hypnosis to quit smoking
Date: 1 Jan 93 21:06:28 GMT
Reply-To: martinher@urvax.urich.edu
Organization: University of Richmond

Carol Anne is correct here, she is suggesting a way to deal
with the needs that must be completed in order to assure success
for someone wishing to change their interaction with food and
the way this can improve their health and appearance.  I applaud
her, and offer this as a useful model of one of the best patterns
for helping people who wish to modify their weight permanently
and enjor the change.

I pointed out the problem and Carol Anne is offering a solution
that works.  This is the method that I have also used successfully.
But, she has stated it more completely and explictly than I have
ever done in so few words.

Thanks,
Herb Martin


>What I do is change the behaviors that *lead* to weight loss:
>Making exercise a compulsion; creating the requisite behaviors
>so that consumption is carefuly metered; expanding and maximizing
>the awareness of internal body signals (e.g., most obese people
>are extraordinarily INsensitive to early warning signs of
>stomach fullness).  By "chunking down" the behaviors to those
>for which evidence can be collected in the short term, the
>subject sees appropriate feedback of relevant kinds that are
>recognized (by the subject) as leading to the goal they originally
>set.
>
>The design of an outcome is a recursive process, especially in
>"big" issues like smoking and weight loss:  Each outcome gets
>broken down into individual well-formed outcomes which, in its
>own rite, can be measured in the short term.  Sometimes, I've
>been known to provide some medium-term amnesia for the long-range
>goal to avoid the implicit sabotage:  They look back from a point
>six months after the intervention (in reality...and in trance as
>a rehearsal for that future event) and notice how far they've
>gotten toward their goal...without having to fret over it in the
>meantime.
>-- 
>--Friday                                    "Knowledge is guesswork
>   Carol Anne Ogdin, Principal Designer         disciplined by 
>   Deep Woods Technology                        rational criticism." 
>     friday@netcom.com                                 --Karl Popper
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: NLP Business Courses
Date: 24 Dec 92 19:23:12 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Dec24.134921.19644@gossip.urich.edu> martinher@urvax.urich.edu writes:
>Does anyone have references to NLP Business courses?  I need to
>investigate courses for our business and computer analysts and
>consultants.  I cannot just send them to a psychology oriented
>course and say, "Pretend".
>
>Something along the lines of "Business Communications" or maybe
>even sales...?

May I suggest that you exhaust your public library's resources before
you spend any money.

Where I live, many of the best audio cassette courses on sales, business,
motivation, achieving goals, etc, are in the public library. Brian Tracy
and Zig Ziglar are two of my favorite speakers. Also, Roger Dawson has an
excellent course on negotiating.
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Re: Can Intuition be taught/enhanced 
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:50:33 GMT

In <1992Dec21.205603.13725@atlastele.com> sameer@atlastele.com () writes:

>I wanted to get your opinions on how should one go about enhancing 
>intuition or "hunches". How does one charecterize hunches from 
>random thoughts. Where does "gut feel" come from. Can hypnosis be
>used to enhance these feelings.

That is a quite legitimate use of hypnosis (or NLP, for that matter).
However, it is "custom" to each individual; it depends on your own
particular strategy for *having* intuition or hunches.

I once worked for a Venture Capitalist as a consultant, and he
started describing the unique feeling he got in his stomach when he
evaluated deals that were "good" versus the feeling he got that was
different when the deal was "bad."  We then went back in his history
(actually, we did this sitting in the lobby of a hotel outside
La Guardia airport!) and he recalled the feelings he had before he
invested in deals that produced a profit versus the feels he had
before he invested in deals that did *not* produce a profit.  He
now relies on those two feelings to make investements and has claimed
(to me) that his success rate in long-term investments has improved.

You might also wish to investigate a different, but also fruitful
process used by Russell Targ and associates at SRI to make (practice)
investments in commodities markets using his methods of "remote view-
ing."  (It's not hypnosis, but I found it interesting anyway.)
-- 
--Friday                                    "Knowledge is guesswork
   Carol Anne Ogdin, Principal Designer         disciplined by 
   Deep Woods Technology                        rational criticism." 
     friday@netcom.com                                 --Karl Popper
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
From: sameer@atlastele.com ()
Subject: Can Intuition be taught/enhanced 
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Disclaimer: Views expressed do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:56:03 GMT

Hi,
I wanted to get your opinions on how should one go about enhancing 
intuition or "hunches". How does one charecterize hunches from 
random thoughts. Where does "gut feel" come from. Can hypnosis be
used to enhance these feelings.
Thanks,
Sameer..

P.S. Based on what I see in the NLP flame war, I categorically state
that this is a serious, information collection question. Please e-mail.
If there is demand then I will post a summary.
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
From: TKemper@shell.portal.com (tod w kemper)
Subject: Re: Neuro Linguistic Programming
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:15:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan01.224858.2393@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>In article <1993Jan1.212935.14232@gossip.urich.edu> martinher@urvax.urich.edu writes:
>>
>>And then I come to the end of the announcement which more or 
>>less uninvites me from the 'alt.hypnosis' list since it states
>>that alt.hypnosis is "not for NLP".
>
>Nobody invites you or un-invites you. As with any newsgroup, we are all
>squatters here. The group is whatever we make of it.
>
>
>>Should I leave here totally?  How should I configure my postings
>>if I stay?
>
>Make a contribution. Either ask a question, answer someone else's question,
>or tell us why you are interested in hypnosis.
>
>
>>Does ANYONE actually object PERSONALLY to my use
>>of this bandwidth?
>
>Hell, yes. You posted this to six newsgroups, and it's bound to create a 
>flurry of negative responses that get cross posted, as well.
>
>
>
>>On what basis do you object and how can I 
>>modify my behavior to be respectful of YOUR ideas of what is 
>>appropriate?
>
>Stop asking strangers on the net for permission to participate, and please
>stop apologizing for being less than perfect.
>
>>
>
>>I will n,ot of course, PROMISE to comply fully but I thought
>>that I was behaving correctly and offering useful ideas.  I
>>can only consider a change if I have information to base it
>>upon.
>
>>BTW, I take no offense at Jon Nowak's posting of this information.
>
>Good because you better not. Otherwise, Jon might get mad, and since Jon
>is big and mean, he might hurt you. You better wish Jon a Happy New Year,
>too, because Jon might think you're angry at him if you don't.
>
>God, this guy just goes on and on. I deleted five of the six newsgroups
>from my response, and hopefully others will do the same.


Not only does he go on and on, he includes the entire original posting
in his follow up.

Tod (not God)

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From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: Neuro Linguistic Programming
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:48:58 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1993Jan1.212935.14232@gossip.urich.edu> martinher@urvax.urich.edu writes:
>
>And then I come to the end of the announcement which more or 
>less uninvites me from the 'alt.hypnosis' list since it states
>that alt.hypnosis is "not for NLP".

Nobody invites you or un-invites you. As with any newsgroup, we are all
squatters here. The group is whatever we make of it.


>Should I leave here totally?  How should I configure my postings
>if I stay?

Make a contribution. Either ask a question, answer someone else's question,
or tell us why you are interested in hypnosis.


>Does ANYONE actually object PERSONALLY to my use
>of this bandwidth?

Hell, yes. You posted this to six newsgroups, and it's bound to create a 
flurry of negative responses that get cross posted, as well.



>On what basis do you object and how can I 
>modify my behavior to be respectful of YOUR ideas of what is 
>appropriate?

Stop asking strangers on the net for permission to participate, and please
stop apologizing for being less than perfect.

>

>I will n,ot of course, PROMISE to comply fully but I thought
>that I was behaving correctly and offering useful ideas.  I
>can only consider a change if I have information to base it
>upon.

>BTW, I take no offense at Jon Nowak's posting of this information.

Good because you better not. Otherwise, Jon might get mad, and since Jon
is big and mean, he might hurt you. You better wish Jon a Happy New Year,
too, because Jon might think you're angry at him if you don't.

God, this guy just goes on and on. I deleted five of the six newsgroups
from my response, and hopefully others will do the same.
From: system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: type of wilderness around major cities
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 12:08:16 AST
Organization: Radio Free Fredbox

jsdph@acad3.alaska.edu (Dennis P. Harris) writes:

> 
> finally someone from los anchorage admits that anchorage is isolated from the
> rest of alaska, rather than the other way around.  unfortunately, many
> anchorage residents, especially those who arrived since 1970, believe that
> anchorage is typical of alaska.  that's sort of like thinking new york city i
> typical of new york state, or miami is typical of florida.

I've never denied it -- I don't refer to Anch as "The Shitty City" for 
nothing.

But, remember that not EVERYONE in town are misplaced oil workers or 
military -- some of us  actually lived in Alaska at some point. For 
whatever reason, I moved back to finish high school and then see where 
I'd go for College. Somehow, I got somewhat entrenched in a JoB and ended 
up  getting stuck here for awhile. It's not intolerable, and you can get 
away, but I'd rather be elsewhere.

I have a hard time considering Anchorage typical of anything. Maybe just 
an Anchorage sized cookie cutter landing in suburban Houston or 
something..

(Houston, TX, not Houston AK where I spent my 10th grade.)


      Fred Polsky v1.0, who has been known to handle under George.
            "This is Usenet. Facts are irrelevant here."
 The Fredbox +1 907 344 8437  system@freds.cojones.com  Anchorage, Alaska
Sean "Bandwidth" Ryan's favorite BBS, with lots of neat texts and lunatics.

Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)
Subject: Re: Request for local Internet access
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:12:43 GMT

In article <28DEC199207135003@elroy.uh.edu> lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>In article <ertle.725428721@newton>, ertle@kira.uvm.edu The Sneaky Devil writes...
>>In <1992Dec27.025353.25662@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes:
>> 
>> 
>>>I have relatives in Anchorage who would like access to Internet.  They
>>>have a PC and a modem and would like to dial into a computer to send
>>>and receive Email.  They would also be interested in Usenet News.  And
>>>finally, they may be moving back to the bush, this time to Kotzebue, so 
>>>would want to continue having access from there.
>> 
>>>So any idea on how to get access and what it will cost ?
>> 
>>   I've heard that CompuServ has an net-access option.  I'm not sure,
>>as I don't subscribe but it's worth checking out.
>
>I corresponded with someone via e-mail who had access via compuserve.  We
>met in one of the newsgroups, so obviously they have net-access.  I personally
>don't know about it.  I would ask him for you except that we haven't 
>corresponded for sometime and I haven't been able to find his compuserve
>address.
>
>Tammy
>
>

Yes, Compuserve has netaccess services available for an additional
monthly charge. I think it was another 3-5 bucks per month, but don't
quote me. Another way to go would be to contact the Computer Science
Department at one of Alaska's universities and see whether they offer
guest dialin accounts to a system that's on the Internet. In any case,
if you plan moderate to heavy usage of your account, I'd bet the
biggest cost would be the telephone calls (they certainly are in
Mass.), but I'm not sure how Alaska's local Bell companies are
structured or what they charge...


-- 
Bill Downing, President		Email: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us		
DOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC.
8 Doyle Lane, Hopkinton, MA 01748
508-435-4567
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: randy@raven.alaska.edu (Randy Hayman)
Subject: Re: Looking for info on U of Alaska
Reply-To: randy@raven.alaska.edu (Randy Hayman)
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:32:43 GMT

, naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder) writes:
|>
|>I am looking for a campus of U of Alaska....
|>I have a list of chapters in my fraternity and it lists
|>an inactive chapterat University of Alaska. Of course this would be at
|>only one campus. The only problem is the city it is listed in is "College"

College is the "town"  Fairbanks 'annexed' that is the location of UAF.
There still exists a signpost on College Rd. with that designation, tho.

|>Was there a campus of U of Alaska in College? In a recent post they only
|>mentioned Juneau, Achorage and Fairbanks.
|>
|>YiLeadership, Friendship and Service
|>
|>Randy Finder
|>
|>
|>-- 
|>(naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu)	  | Leadership,Friendship, and Service
|>(vri_rjfin@dmis.ha.osd.mil)	  |          Alpha Phi Omega
|>"The service we render to others  | National (Co-ed) Service Fraternity
|> is the rent we pay for our room on earth" - Sir Wilfred Grenfell
|>


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