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From: X045KF@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Kimberly Faircloth)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:27:20 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr15.162220.11068@wdl.loral.com>
gjs@wdl30.wdl.loral.com (Gregory Scott) writes:
 
>
>Just to add a couple of cents worth of comments on this subject.
>
>1.  I submit to you that access to contraceptives, at least condoms,
>is a non-issue.  Here, in California, you can go down to the durg
>store in the mall and buy all kinds of over the counter contraceptives.
>Even the local service station mini-mart has a complete line of
>condoms.  (The only question is who pays for the free ones.)
>
The rest of the country isn't in the dark ages as far as the availability
of condoms is concerned.  But, have you ever seen the prices of those
condoms in the convenience stores...over $10 a box!  They are a little
cheaper in the stores such as K-mart and Wal-Mart.  But the other
problem about this is what about that girl/guy who's too embarrassed to
go out and buy them?
 
 
Kimberly Faircloth                |x045kf@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Users Consultant                  |kdf8236@tamvm1.tamu.edu
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"But Soft!  What rock through yonder window breaks? It is a brick!
           and Juliet is out cold..."
From: dani@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Danielle Cohen)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:14:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Seeking natural fiber maternity clothes
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 10:12:39 EDT
From: <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: labor--stripping of membranes

In article <11037@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@shrike.mbir.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula
Burch) says:
>
>A lot of OBs do something called "stripping the membranes," which
>involves sticking their finger into the cervix and doing something
>unpleasant to the amniotic membrane there. (Hmm, I don't sound very
>objective here, do I?) This is distinct from rupturing the membrane,
>and it's supposed to help start labor "naturally."
>
>People who are into natural childbirth are against the idea of this,
>however.
>
>Anybody know why?
>
>Paula Burch
>pburch@bcm.tmc.edu

"Stripping"  of membranes has not been shown to have any effect on labor.  It
often starts a progression of interventions and may cause the membranes to
rupture.  Also, at least for me, it was VERY VERY painful.  I had my membranes
stripped when I was about 2 cm dilated, after starting a labor induction with
prostaglandin.  I was particularly angry that the OB did this WITHOUT telling
me he was, or even that he did when he was done.  This was the only thing we
disagreed about during labor, but I would not have let him do it if he had
asked.

Chris Himes
From: sgauch@corwin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Choosing a Preschool
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:24:32 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University
Originator: gauchj@hatteras

I have a dilemma about what to do for Laura (3 y o, born Feb 89) for
preschool next year.  She has been an active, aggressive toddler who
seems to be mellowing out a bit as she finally is napping a bit less.
Because of her inexperience with groups (she's been taken care of at
home by a nanny, except for 2 mornings a week beginning Dec) I wanted
to choose a preschool with a high teacher/child ratio.  My first choice
were 2 local coops, but they are both full and she's wait listed.
My second choice is a preschool run by Lasell College. Both have 3 adults
and 16 kids (roughly).  The others around here have 16 kids and 2 adults.

Now, the problem.  The class Laura was accepted to at Lasell has
2 girls, 9 boys, and 5 boys on the wait list but no girls :-(.
I can keep her where she is and hope more girls come along, but it
looks like 2 girls and 14 boys right now.  One positive - since
not everyone on the waiting list is likely to accept, this class could
well have less than 16 kids.  One negative - if the other girl leaves
Laura could be the only little girl! On the other hand, other girls
might sign up over the summer.

They've offered to move her to the 4 year old class which is balanced
gender-wise.  But, she'd be in her first year of preschool where the
others would all be in their second year.  She'd be the youngest, but
not by much since they are all born after August.  She'd be one of few
(perhaps the only) new kid.  We could address this by introducing
her to some of the classmates between now and then.  She would still attend
2 years of preschool, her second year being in their "transistion" class
which many of the other 4 year olds are likely to attend as well due to
their late birthdays.

I guess I need to pick the lesser of three evils
   - change to another school with less adult supervision
   - allow her to be one of possibly 1 or 2 girls in a room of boys
   - allow her to be the youngest child joining an existing class

I'm leaning towards having her join the 4 year old class, although
she'll be the youngest.

Any comments?  Experiences?  Advice?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Another baby teeth question
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:13:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /usr/ens/etc/organization

In article <18233@oasys.dt.navy.mil> mueller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Nancy Mueller) writes:
>Personally, I wouldn't worry too much.  It's funny how things like
>this have a way of working themselves out.

So soon!  I *still* have two of my baby teeth, and I'm over 40!  (Two of my
permanent teeth never did come in).

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.
    D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com          Let sleeping dogs^H^H^H^Hbabies lie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: Milk in containers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:29:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.210828.11527@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.k.watson) writes...
> 
>But, on the other hand there are now combination plastic/paper laminated
>containers which DO keep milk fresher than glass containers, with 
>a shelf life of 6 months or so.  My mother buys that kind of milk all
>the time.  They are also experimenting with putting eggs in that same 
>kind of container.  I think I read that it is composed of 7 different 
>layers of different plastic and paper materials which in combination
>have extremely superior permeability properties.  
> 

My problem with these kinds of containers is that they are not 
recyclable, or at least hard to recycle. The plastic bottles are
being recycled in this area, so is glass, but even the wax coated
cartons are not being recycled here.
                           Patti Twigg
From: sweeney@olivej.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Peggy Sweeney)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: At what age is day care appropriate?
Summary: My two cents on this GREAT discussion
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:39:47 GMT



Like many of you, I'm fascinated to read so many eloquent posts about a
subject to which we've all obviously given so much thought.

Here's my theory, for what it's worth. I think that kids need to feel that 
there is at least one person in the world (historically "Mom") for whom
he (the kid) is absolutely top priority. That means that whether Mom
works or not, if the kid NEEDS to have his mother for something -- he's
sick, he's appearing in a school play, he's got an important baseball
game -- his mother will put his needs first and be there. 

Perhaps it's self-justification (I took only 6 weeks off for the birth of
both girls and that was it), but I don't think that my kids suffered one
whit because I worked. Their caregivers, however, always knew that they
could call me at any time and I'd come running. For the 5-year period in
which my job kept me on the road during the day, my husband was the one 
"on call." And, as the kids got older, they knew that they could call me at
work at any time and that I'd drop everything to take care of whatever it
was. 

I'm not talking trivia. Once when we were living in Italy and my 
10-year-old daughter forgot bus money, she walked eight miles home after school
instead of calling me. When I asked her, horrified, why she hadn't called,
she said it was no big deal. I can't help but feel that my working also 
contributed to making them more self-sufficient. And maybe it was because
Kate knew that if push came to shove I'd come rescue her that she had the
gumption to start walking.

So I don't think it's so much the physical issue of "who spends the most
time with the kid?" I think it's the psychological issue of "is there
someone who loves me so much that he or she puts me first -- before
anything else?" 

Peggy Sweeney
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From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:36:58 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

I live in a small city near Ottawa, with a population of about 20K, which
is a curious combination of bedroom community and small town.  Recently,
a 23yo city councillor has recommended that condom machines be installed
in washrooms in high schools and community centres (installed at city 
expense with proceeds to go to Planned Parenthood).  Lively debate has
ensued.  Here is how I see the dilemma:

It is my view that people should abstain from sexual intercourse if they
are not married (to each other :).  This, however, is a view that I am not
prepared to impose on other people, except to say that when children & 
teens are taught about contraception, they should also be taught that 
abstinence is an option, and the only sure method to avoid pregnancy and
STDs (and I teach my own children that it is the preferred option).
I realize that some teens are going to have sex, and if they do, it is 
better that they use contraception.  So here are the questions that need
to be answered to decide if condom vending machines should be installed:

Among the teens who have already decided to have sex, is there a significant
number who are more likely to use condoms if they are available in the 
washroom at school rather than at the drugstore? 

Among the teens who are abstaining from sex, are there any who are doing so
only because it is too embarassing to buy condoms in the drugstore and would
they therefore start having sex if condoms are available in highschool 
washrooms?

I have no idea what proportion of teens are in the first group; my guess
is the second group is fairly small.  If the second group is insignificant,
then by making condoms available, the percentage of teens using condoms
increases without increasing the number of teens having sex.  However, if
the second group does turn out to be significant, then making condoms
more available actually increases the number of teens having sex, even
though a higher proportion of them are using condoms.  Since condoms only
reduce the risk, not eliminate it, this is probably not a desirable result.
-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
                Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.

 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: aristea@sco.COM (Aristea Rizakos)
Subject: Re: Auto Accident -- Child Dies
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 18:25:53 GMT

In article <1621@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> sdavis@nike.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis) writes:
>I read a short article in yesterday's paper.  I meant to clip it so
>I could post it but I forgot.  Anyway here is the basics:
>
>There was an auto accident, two cars collided, one going North and
>one going west.  A 5 year old girl who was riding on a parents 
>lap was ejected from the car and died.  The car she was in was 
>a minivan (from the picture, it was the one with the long nose).
>The intersection where this occurred has a speed limit of 35miles/hr.
>
>This child should not have died.  It was not that bad of an accident!
>
>PLEASE, put your kids in their car seats and do this everytime you get
>in your car.
>
>-- Susan Davis (Mommy to Ryan -- He's almost 1!!)
>
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>


This reminds me of an incident outside my mother's house last summer.
The local police had set up a speed trap, and stopped a car in which
an infant was being held on her grandmother's lap while her mother
drove.  The police explained that they could not have the child in
the car without a proper seat, and went on to tell the two
women WHY.  To make a long story short, a yelling match ensued, in 
which the women claimed that their rights were being infringed upon
and the police were called ignorant, among other things.
My mother had a hard time restraining herself from jumping in and
asking what rights those women thought their child had.  The right
to die of massive head injuries that could be prevented by the use
of a simple device, the price of which can be subsidized?
I am absolutely LIVID when I see children being driven around
without car seats -- it's hard to imagine caring so LITTLE for 
a child's life!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Subject: Re: "Whole Language" teaching concept
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:09:31 GMT

scottb@col.hp.com (Scott Brunton) writes:

>	Has anyone had any experiences or encounters with the teaching
>concept known as "whole language?"  I'm going to be attending a short
>course on the subject and would be interested in the opinions of others.

>	The two textbooks for the course (sorry, no publisher and dates) are:

>	Towards a Reading/Writing Classroom
>		by A.Butler and J.Turnbill

>	Basal Readers
>		by B.Swaby

I'd (and probabluy others) would sure be interested in hearing what you find
out. My ignorant understanding of it is essentially that it replaces 
phonics with the concept that children learn to sight read words. This is
stupid. (big uproar at our school over this but I've been hanging around
the edges picking up 2nd and 3rd hand info). 

IMO nothing is better  than having a kid be able to sound out a word
until s/he figures out what it is...this is also fun to watch.
Also this technique helps them in spelling so when
they get older they wont be harassment targets on the Net...

el
--
From: holly@resumix.amd.com (Holly Monnich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: At what age is day care appropriate?
Summary: to daycare or not to daycare
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:48:22 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices

I agree with the person who says daycare is not an issue.  I am a single person with a three year old son.  He has been in dayhome and daycare situations since he was four weeks old.  Today's society requires one or both parents to hold some kind of job to bring in the money and there is never quite enough of the moneyto make all of the ends meet (for most of us anyway).  If I had the money I would have some wonderful and creative person come to my home and care for my child but I can't do that anymore tha



n I can stay home with the bubba so I find the best daycare I can afford and hope beyond hope that he will grow up to be a fine, well-rounded young man.  Daycare is not a choice for most of us, it is a way of life.
From: poon@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Vivienne Poon)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:47:18 GMT
Subject: Re: holding a kid back in school
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.kids

> And how is your 5 year old going to know they were 'held back'? Why
> tell them? And I mean that seriously. If you decide they aren't ready
> to start school yet, why would you tell them and potentially make a
> big deal of it? Or even tell them when they are older -- the only time
> to tell them is when they have kids of their own and are concerned
> about making that choice!

You are underestimating a 5 year old. You don't have to tell them. They
know before you do where their preschool playmates are going for 
kindergarten. I think these days even children shielded at
home attend part time preschools or play groups. They talk about it
with friends their own age. They have this fantasy about a wonderful 
place called kindergarten that they all want to go. Being left behind 
will be a big blow to their self esteem. They demand an explanation
NOW if they know that you are not letting them go. 



Vivienne Poon
poon@hpcc01.corp.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Respiratory prob. vs. wood stoves
From: dvanest@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 7 Apr 92 08:56:07 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

I vaguely recall postings in the past that related wood stove heating to
increased respiratory problems for children. Can anyone confirm this and
provide me with sources for the information?  Do coal stoves create the
same problems?

		Thanks,
			Diane

DVanest@Willet.Wesleyan.Edu			Wesleyan University
						Middletown, CT
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Subject: Re: Little Rabbit Foo-Foo: words wanted
Organization: Sylvan Associates
Distribution: usa
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:40:16

I learned it with two differences:

One:
Little Rabbit Foo Foo, I don't wanna see you
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
scooping up the field mice and bashing them on the head


And then, after Foo Foo gets turned into a goon, we sang one more
verse:

So the next day...
Little Goony Foo Foo hopping through the forest
Scoopin up the field mice and bashin them on the head

And the moral of this story is....

[The hand signal for the goony foo foo instead of the rabbit was
wiggling all your fingers around while 'hopping' the hand.

-- 
Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 2.6 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory <born 2/28/92>)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
children become humane and strong."

             - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, but why bother?)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Male/Female child care roles (was Re: At what age is day care appropriate?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:37:52 GMT
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, but why bother?)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <22585@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj the grouch) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.203737.907054@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
blah blah blah

This article is a follow-up to Tyrer's original article.

Why bother?  Some many people here are concerned mostly with anti-male
attitudes that I'm wasting my breath.  If you want males to stop
being antagonistic and helpless with kids (I do NOT concede the latter,
only the existance of the stereotype), stop telling them how
evil and un-nurtering they are.
-- 
Vote for    *Copyright alice!jj 1992, all rights reserved, except transmission
President 1992 *by USENET and like free facilities granted. Said permission is
___________________*granted only for complete copies that include this notice.
Just Say !!!NO!!!       *Use on pay-for-read services specifically disallowed.
From: watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.k.watson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: bald babies!
Summary: Miracle grow?  Monoxidil?
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:29:26 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <ku7dnkINNmrk@early-bird.think.com> ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac) writes:
>My second son never lost his hair, either. It's only grown thicker and
>longer since the moment he was born -- almost nine and a half days
>ago! 

Geez.  My daughter has hardly any hair.  There are balding men who 
have more hair than she has.  And she'll be 2 next month!  :-(  Somebody 
tell me how can I stimulate some hair growth.  How about Monoxidil? (not 
serious about that, just joking).  People see pictures of her and STILL 
think she's a little boy even in pink or frilly clothes!  I don't know 
when she's ever going to get some real hair.  It's so sad.  Sigh.  
Somebody told me I should get her ears pierced so she'll look like a 
little girl.  If her hair ever grows, I'll be tempted to let it 
grow down to her waist before getting it cut.  And yes, she was born
with a thin little bit of hair, that more or less all fell out right
away.

Laura Watson
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.women,soc.men,alt.fan.q
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: SIDS as population control?!?!
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 19:25:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.050328.17223@access.digex.com> deja-q@access.digex.com (Lin Yon Q) writes:
>In article <56448@cup.portal.com> Renee@cup.portal.com (Renee Linda Roberts) writes:
>>Well, here in the U.S., we are at almost zero population growth. What we
>>need to do is provide EDUCATION to other countries that are having a hard
>>time with high birth rates to learn how to control those births.
>
>Yeah, RIGHT!  The US has no problem at all.  Ever tried to drive the DC
>beltway?  Naw, there's no overpopulation here!  None at all!  What an
>ultra moroon.  

I like this logic.  You are blaming the population of an enormous country 
based on the density of one beltway!  How about the drive from Fairbanks,
Alaska to Juno?  We could conclude by this drive that there is sparse population
in the US ;-)  We have large undeveloped areas in this country.  People flock
to big cities because there are more jobs there.  But that is their choice
(and yours).  There are plenty of small towns left for those who prefer them.


Now, your complaint isn't about population control, it is about resource
consumprion and that is an entirely different story.  It has nothing to do
with population control in the US and everything to do with lifestyles and
priorities.  Surely the same population could live without consuming such
valuable resources.  But until Brazil is willing to raise the price on rain-
forest lumber, it will remain economically infeasable for massive consumers
of the product like the film industry to recycle the wood.  So, don't blame
us.  You are looking a global situation and blaming the top dog for being
top dog.  Hey, if those countries weren't willing to sell their resources for
spare change, we wouldn't be buying.

So tell me, Q, when you make a purchase do you think of anything other than
getting the best value for your dollar?  If not, then you are guilty as the
rest of us.



-- 
I finally decided what I want on my tombstone...

	"Here lies Judy Leedom Tyrer.  The world will never see another like 
	 her.  We are undecided on whether this is a good thing or a bad thing."	
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