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From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: "You shot Mike"
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:05:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <las283INN3r6@news.bbn.com> clements@bbn.com (Bob Clements) writes:
SPOILER

>
>As far as I've seen, nobody has yet figured out why Laura says
>"You shot MIKE" after Bobby shoots the deputy.
>
>When I heard that line, I thought she was saying "You shot Mike",
>not "You shot MIKE".  I.e., she thought Bobby had killed their
>high school classmate Mike, the future close friend of Nadine,
>and not the metaphysical enemy of BOB.
>
>At that point in the timeline did Laura know anything about MIKE?
>
>Not that it makes much more sense referring to Mike...
>
>Bob Clements, K1BC, clements@bbn.com


I thought that she thought it was Mike, Snake (wasn't that his nickname),
because she was pretty funked-up (to quote Blackie). But also, Bobby
and Mike were partners in dealing. Just before that Laura convinced
Bobby to get here more cocaine...this stuff was for her, not to deal.
Bobby then goes directly to Jacques, and does not deal with Leo, his
normal supplier. Jacques sets him up with another supplier, the deputy
from Deer Creek.  Bobby makes sure that Mike is not invovled. Anyway,
when the deal comes down, Laura is unware of all this, and assumes
that it is Mike who appears in the woods, since he is partners with
Bobby. This, plus as I said, she was pretty funked-up made her think
that the deputy was Mike. I don't think it had anything to do with
the Lodges and all....I was just another one of thus darkly humorous
scenes...almost like the car accident scene in WaH.


Sally--


-- 
That the play is the tragedy, "Man,"  \\\\\	Sally A. Wilson
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from Egar Allan Poe's _Ligeia_)		 \\\\\	Spud 	Peel
From: ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair)
Subject: Re: FWWM gripes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:33:15 GMT

ww10aac@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead) writes:

>   a.  The useless Leo and Shelley scene.

    I can't imagine Leo scrubbing floors for any reason.

   Also, if Mr Gerard knew Leland was BoB, why the false alarm about
Ben Horne in the TV version?

   I still want to see a meeting of the shoe salesman:

   Phillip Gerard and Al Bundy
From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP:FWWM (Spoilers dead ahead, cap'n!)
Keywords: Who did it?
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 21:34:28 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

-> > why I say the One Armed Man lived there was because of the
-> "Lets Rock" on
-> > the car windshield Cooper saw . The LMFAP says "Lets Rock!"
-> and my guess is
-> > that "Lets Rock!" was what was on the tatoo that the OAM
-> had on the arm that
-> > he removed after seeing the face of God.
->  more  
->       
-> Well, if the tattoo was the same as BOB's (the tattoo we
-> saw in the Euro- video), it said "FIRE walk with me". 
This is a rather interesting question. Humm in the Euro-Movie the tatoo said 
"Fire Walk With Me", but in the TV show then the OAM (when not possesed by 
MIKE) said that there was a tatoo on the arm that he lost and that it said 
"BOB" then he started to cry and he told us that BOB was a veterinarian whi 
was a friend of his. Then Cooper and gang goto BOB's offices and confiscate 
his files. In them he findes Waldo a mina birsd owned by Renoulght. I wonder 
who that Bob was he is obiously in someway related to all this because he 
was very close with the OAM and because Renoulght used him.

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| It's all a game...                                                        |
|                        Gregory C. Salmieri                                |
|                                                       ...It's all the same|
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From: thomasl@mtl.mit.edu (Thomas J Lohman)
Subject: Re: Thoughts UPdate (FAQ?)
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:26:22 GMT

In article <goldberg.716497580@vincent1.iastate.edu> goldberg@iastate.edu (Adam Goldberg) writes:

>Jefferies (Bowie) was definitely in "Time phase" (something to do with the
>time loop).  He witnessed a meeting of the "aliens" but escaped before he
>could be imprisoned in wood.  This seems to relate to the "thread" that is

>Wood is the aliens method of containment/imprisonment.

Why wood?  Just because of the Josie death epsiode?  Both my friend and
I who enjoyed the show thought that that was rather "goofy" to say the least.
Some druid influence among the aliens no doubt.


--tom

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There was a positive review, SIGHT UNSEEN, by the reviewer in The
Denver Post (Howie Movshowitz).  He based his review on the reviews
at Cannes, no less.  He gave it 3 1/2 out of 4 stars.  It's a strange
and wonderful world we live in.

Brian WOOD (need I say more?)

"I've got blue roses for a blue lady"  - Help me...what song is this from?
From: erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Laura is wild at heart?
Date: 11 Sep 1992 21:05:31 GMT
Organization: Linguistics Department, UCSD
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bend.ucsd.edu

So Laura doesn't give in to Bob, ends up dead, her spirit goes to the white
lodge, she becomes an angel and appears to Sailor and tells him not to leave
Lula, and then goes to the wonderful land of Oz?  no?  Oh well...
---Sean

-- 
Your car runs on the blood of 100,000 Iraqi dead, and the tears of their
mourners.

No Blood For Votes!
From: v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Why wasn't Lara Flynn Boyle in FWWM?
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:58:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <15362@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes...
>I heard she was, like James Marshall and Kyle MacLachlan before her, no
>longer thrilled with the role in general.  Her appearances in movies like
>"Mobsters" seem to imply that she has no problem with skimpy costumes /
>semi-nudity.
    When Lara appeared on Arsenio to plug "Mobsters", she said 
that the nude scene was actually done by a double, as she refused to
do it and the director wanted the scene in the film.
                                     George...
"Sometimes things happen just like that!"
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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Comments from 2nd viewing
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:58:57 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep14.033515.6596@cco.caltech.edu> UnoJ writes:
>LeBob closes the door, the OAM looks at Ronette and simply
>(coward!) walks away.

It interests me that people are building whole conspiracy theories about
MIKE being evil on the fact that we didn't see him check to see if
Ronnette was OK.  How do we know that he didn't, offscreen?  After all, 
a large chunk of things we saw in the series never happened on-screen
in the movie either.
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From: scarlett@bnr.ca (Michael Dorotich)
Subject: Who the hell IS Mike?
Reply-To: scarlett@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 14:30:41 GMT

If Leland is the real-world human posessed by the Black Lodge Bob and 
Phillip Gerard (that is the one-armed man's name) is the real-world human
once posessed by LMFAP, then who the hell is Mike and what does he look
like? Is it possible that Mike is LMFAP's name?  (It is, at any rate, the
actor's name. He is sometimes called Little Mike.)
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From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Owls not being as they seem.
Summary: 3 meanings
Keywords: Which one?
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:50:21 GMT

>>  Another example to back this up is that Cooper only starts to see the
>>  giant after he gets shot and near death.
>> 
>> 
>
>I wonder if that what the Log Lady meant when she said "The Owls are not what 
>they seem." (ie maybe she meant that death isn't as bad as Coop or Laura 
>thought). Anyone have thoughts? Anyone? Buller....
>
>Mike
 The 3 things I can think of that the saying "The Owls are not as they seem"
 would mean, in order of preference:

 1. The spirits use the Owls as a temporary host until they find a human host.
    (When Bob leaves Leland we see an Owl flying out of a light in the woods
    which shows a quick shot of Bob's face behind the Owl's face.)
 2. The spirits (and the gifted) SEE through the Owls.. remember Sarah's
   vision of Jacoby digging up the necklace half? There was an Owl watching
   James/Donna when they buried it and possibly when jacoby dug it up.
   The Log Lady, while in her cabin says "The Owls can't see us in here".
3. Owls meaning "Other World Lifeforms" (mentioned in Predator II) are not
   dead as you think but are alive (spiritually) living in the lodges.

   -=*George*=-

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From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks,rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Petroglyph tattoo time
Date: 13 Sep 92 12:35:58 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Allright...here goes.

I want to get another tattoo. For long while, I've been thinking about

getting something Twin Peaks-esque.

Finally it hit me... the perfect tattoo...

I want to get the pertoglyph on Theresa Banks's ring!

Even better... *ahem* my name is Mike, so I'm going to get it on my shoulder!

I now have two problems:

1) I can't remember which shoulder he had it on

2) I don't have a good clear picture of the ring. Since tattoos are permanent,
I need someting with the picture shown as clearly as possible, and since I plan
on getting to background in there too, I need the picture in COLOUR.

Does anyone out there have a picture of the petroglyph they could send me, 
or does anyone know where I can find the picture? Also, for those of you in 
rec.arts.bodyart, is it possible to get a deep emerald green tattoo dye?


Thanks!

Mike
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From: james@brock.b17b.ingr.com (James Brock)
Subject: FWWM
Keywords: Questions/observations
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:01:22 GMT

Here are my questions and comments. I was never a PEAKS FREAK, though
I did watch each and every episode, and gave the BOB/red room/etc
angle mmuch thought. I'm hoping to spark some thought...

1. Who was Mike?
2. Explain the electrical wires/current..
3. Where goes Chet Desmond?
4. How long has Cooper been experiencing the Red Room?
5. Do all people who descend (?) to the room acquire Doppelgaenger?
6. What mean Chalfont?
7. Phillip Jeffries was damong the "people." In like manner
of Cooper?
8. Why does the evil not invade everyone?
9. Can someone post their theory of the meaning of the RED ROOM
PEOPLE?
10. Are we to really believe in BOB? Is Lynch just making evil tangible
so as to enable one to feel?
11. What happened to the other world stuff (Briggs, et. al.)

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From: UnoJ
Subject: Re: I FOUND OUT WHAT GARMONBOZIA IS!!!(Spoiler, of course)
Organization: CIT
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:45:42 GMT

In article <BuFyz2.Dsq@acsu.buffalo.edu> v113np2v@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (George
D Emmons) writes:
>My roommate and I were playing on the new sounds program he got 
>for his Mac, recording things, playing them backwards, and then
>recording us saying the backwards stuff and playing that backwards.
>You all know what I'm talking about.
>Anyhow, we found out what garmonbozia is. Press "n" now if you don't
>want to find out...
>okay...When we played "Garmonbozia" backward, we got the following:
>
>             "I is Windom Earle."
>
>Try it yourselves. We repeated the process, with both Garmonbozia
>and "I is Windom Earle". They're the reverses (Dopplegangers?)
>of each other. Okay boys & girls... debate this away....:-)
>                                        George...
>"I'd better put temptation out of your reach!"
>                                       -Leia Organa
>
When I saw the title of the posting I was rather skeptical
whether it contained any useful info. The spolier warning was
intriguing, so down I plunged. Now I can see how you could get
some of the reverse lettering, but how does the "g" become the 
"..rle" when reversed is hard to understand.
In any case I thought that the "pain and suffering" explanation
from the subtitles fit well enough. And in most theories so far
it is an integral part in explaining the mission if you will
from the Black Lodge dwellers. 
It would surprise me if Windom Earle had such influence on Black
Lodgers that they would be referring to him (even if reversed) in
their quest for the pain and suffering from possessed souls. WE
seemed more like a nasty gremlin bent on destrucion to me. But his
quest was the arrival at the Black Lodge, so he did not seem to
have a tight grip on it like Mike or Bob for example.
If this is not a hoax posting I'll be delighted to read any 
coherent theories.


    UnoJ
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Where Songs are in the Movie (was TP:FWWM Soundtrack) spoilers
Keywords: Dialogue
Date: 16 Sep 92 03:29:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep15.211721.22802@cs.mun.ca> georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel) writes:

>>Don't Do Anything I Wouldn't Do plays when Stanley and Desmond are at Hap's.

>This could be another example of Dear Meadow being an evil twin of Twin
>Peaks because Bobby plays a song at the R&R as he leaves with shelly (I am
>sot sure if it is the same song) and says to Norma, "Don't do anything I
>wouldn't do"

Pointless point: the cut in that case was "I'm Hurt Bad" from Industrial
Symphony #1.

 - the first time we hear "Freshly Squeezed" in Twin Peaks (
>(from the original soundtrack) it was right after Ben says "Freshly squeezed"
>about the orange juice he was drinking.

ObPedantry: No, that was Coop, commenting about the grapefruits at the Great
Northern (and Audrey's in particular *leer*).

> Any other examples of songs names
>taken from the dialogue?

Well, the cut referred to as "Dancing With A Flashlight" was used in #2008,
when Jerry reminisced about Louise Dombrowski doing just that, but I don't
know if that's the official title...
From: STDN%MARIST.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Dan Newcombe)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: TP,FWWM: Questions  (HELP :)
Date: 10 Sep 1992 22:47:50 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Okay,  I just read most of the old messages in the newsgroup and
now have a few of my own.  Given, I watched the 2nd season avidlly, but
missed the first season.  I saw the pilot (with the European ending) and
am in the process of buying the first season:

1) Just where does the special European ending start on the movie
   and what is different?

2) Who is Judy?
3) How is it that Dale is able to talk to Laura (i.e. Don't take the
   Ring) and stuff like that, and how does he get to the curtain place
   so easy, like at the end.
4) I am assuming that the chick at the end in the black dress standing
   by Coop is the same chick from the end of the pilot where the LMfAP
   says "She looks a lot like Laura..."  Then why is she so happy at
   the angel.
5) Everyone seems to say that the ring symbolizes "You're next"  Then
   howcome when the OAM drives up screaming, he holds up his hand with
   the ring on it?
6) What is the Twin Peaks FTP site? I remember it is audrey and in AU.

Thanks all... tomorrow I will post mine and my friends views on the
movie.

          Cheers,
          -Dan
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From: Dave_PadreFan_Rohrl@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Beginning, middle . . . end?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 22:28:24 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

First posting here too.  Forgive (and advise) should I botch.

One of the things I always enjoyed the most about TP was the drifting, non-
endpoint oriented nature.  With the rapid emergence and evolution of subplots
I never expected a proper "wrap" on the series.  I'm not sure whether it's a
comment on my life or just the nature of the cosmos, but I never seem to reach
any  points where everything was "capped off."  The organic, drifting nature
of the series and its storylines was, to me, at least 47% of its total charm
content.
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From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: Tremond
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 18:50:39 GMT

In article <18tj4fINNlsk@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mking@lizardo.WPI.EDU (Matthew
Alexander King) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hello?  Someone should brush up on their French.  Hello?
> 
> Try...    Tres= very
>           Mond= world
> 
> Hello?  nice try but what is the significance.

Well, very also means 'true' or 'genuine' as in 'the very cross', but what
I really had in mind was
      tre=three
     mond=world(s)

Or maybe the third world in a different sense than commonly used today.

Closer to latin, I guess, though it works pretty well in Italian  or
Spanish I think. Not as well in French (trois), though maybe if you look
far enough back.

What would the three worlds be?  How about heaven, earth, and hell.
The poem speaks of two worlds, and in the shooting script there is the
following (which didn't make it to the US version, at least we can't make
it out if it is).

#	First woodsman:  We have descended from pure air.
#	MFAP:  Going up and down.  Intercourse between the two worlds.
                                                        
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
#	BOB:  Light of new discoveries.
#	Mrs. Tremond:  Why not be composed of materials and combinations
#	  of atoms?
#	Grandson:  This is no accident.
#	MFAP:  This is a formica table.  Green is its color.  {touches table}
#	FW:  Our world.
#	MFAP:  With chrome.  And everything will proceed cyclically.
#	Second Woodsman:  Boneless.
#	Mike:  Yes, find the middle place.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The last is very buddhist/daoist.

I've got an idea about Chalfont as well, but I'm going to do a little more
research first this time  :-)

 -Rich Haller
From: st1p5@rosie.uh.edu (Garcia, James A.)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: *** HELP ***
Keywords: FWWM, archive
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:22:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


  I have not yet seen FWWM, and I don't want to miss all the discussion
but at the same time I don't want to read all the spoilers.  I haven't
seen the movie because I haven't seen the 2nd Season.  Is there anyone
who is going to sort out and maybe archive this stuff?  Also, if there
is anyone kind enough to offer the second season on tape, I can trade
the 3 1/2 hour version of Aliens, the Extended version of Dune (almost
4 hrs), or the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (approx. 5 hrs).  I'm
willing to copy them myself. 

  Thank you so very much,
James    
 st1p5@rosie.uh.edu
From: collier@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Mark Collier)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:17:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Primate face near end?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks

In alt.tv.twin-peaks, dagnall@violet.ccit.arizona.edu
(Robert A. Dagnall) writes:

> Near the end of FWWM, just before we see someone sucking the 
> creamed corn off the spoon, there's a shadowy shot of what looks
> like a monkey's face.  I didn't pay enough attention in my
> physical anthropology classes to identify the species, unfortunately.

As others have pointed out, scenes of a barking dog are also intercut in
various places.

> I've seen no discussion of this!  I found it chilling, and I'm not
> sure why - something to do with an impression that the spirits were
> tied in with humans from *way* back, maybe.  What do you make of it? 

A long time ago, someone speculated that BOB and MIKE might have been
two animals who had "cut a deal with the Devil". By going on a killing
spree, they earned the right to human forms or spirit forms. (Remember,
there was some kind of connection between the convenience store and
veterinarian Bob Lydecker's office. I think his office was supposed
to be above the convenience store, just like the "meeting place".)

Anyway, I've kind of held on to this theory ever since it was first
discussed here on alt.tv.twin-peaks, and I really found the intercut
scenes of monkeys and dogs to be proof positive the theory was correct.
Deep in my subconscious, I'm sure I've somehow connected the mysterious
actions and motivations of BOB and MIKE with the mysterious actions of
my cats.
From: berthiau@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Andre Berthiaume)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP: FWWM spoilers
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:15:36 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

You said that the film was probably hacked up by the Ontario censors.
The film here in Quebec ran the full allotted length (about 140 minutes).
Was that how long it ran there?


- Eva










--
	Andre Berthiaume 	 |  "Sometimes you're the windshield,
				 |   Sometimes you're the bug"
    berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca    |			
				 |	       Dire Straits, The Bug
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From: koralesb@carleton.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: script and videos
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:47:33 GMT
Reply-To: koralesb@carleton.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

Hi there,

	I was just wondering two things...  One, does anyone have the script to  
post/repost?  I would really like a copy of that.  Two, does anyone know where  
to get copies of the TV series on video?  Is there an address that I could  
order them from?  I have most of the first season on tape and I would like to  
finish that and get the second too.  That reminds me, is the second season on  
tape?  Well that was more than two questions, sorry.
	
	
barron koralesky

koralesb@carleton.edu
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