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From: cdoser@bcsaic.boeing.com (Cathy Doser)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: My comments on Finals and PBS broadcast
Date: 9 Sep 92 05:11:36 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

cputnam writes:

Curt is full of insight, isn't he?  This sloppy move is why the tick
system is
gone.  Those of you that want it back, just look at that innovative and
creative move and think what DCI would be without that kind of stuff.
Good
idea, but poorly executed.


While it may seem like a good idea to you, I want to ask you a question:

What if you had those moves AND precision? Wouldn't that be more
impressive?
I am appalled at the level of precision in the upper eschelon of corps.
While I may not agree with all of the stylistic changes that have
happened, some have been very good. I would be more impressed if more of
the corps tried to keep up the level of execution.
You don't hear professional symphonies playing music above their
capabilities to impress people, they play what they can execute well.
The same for ballet companies. If you can't perform the item, you should
think it over, as you probably shouldn't do it.
     
I just don't buy the arguement that we must withstand imperfection to
get innovation. I totally believe we can have both. It just takes more
work. But with the attitude of the 80s still with us that we want things
easy, it's no wonder.

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From: cdoser@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Drum corps and the Media
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:24:37 GMT

Ok, ok, enough of the sex stuff, what are WE going to do about getting
better coverage for drum corps? Are you who thought it was a good
idea to go after Ted Turner going to write him? Send him a tape of DCI?
Let's not let this thread go. I'm going to write to Turner.
What are you going to do???????????????????????????????????

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From: C_S01798@APPSTATE.EDU (C_S1410102)
Subject: the alt.drumcorps writers poll
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:56:23 GMT
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***************************************
**                                   **
**  the Alt.Drumcorps writers polls  **
**                                   **
***************************************
Fall Editons ** Poll #1 



   Now that the 1992 season is history, so are the weekly polls that 
accompanied it.  I hope that all of you were pleased with the results 
of the final writer's polls.  Because of the high percentage of ballot
returns (hence the delay in the finals results) I am hoping to continue 
the polls on a regular basis.  The polls will occur approximately every 
two weeks and will contain different sorts of material.  There will be
the standard polls as well as trivia contests and later a drill writing 
contest for those who are interested in participating.  Those details 
will come later, however.  Let's get started with a hopefully exciting 
off-season with our first ballots.
                                           ptSLOAN
                                           editor


Poll no. 1  Caption Awards from DCI finals


Please Fill in the appropriate number of candidates IN ORDER in each caption 
for this seasons Championship:

High Brass  

1. 
2.
3.


High Percussion

1. 
2.
3.

High Guard

1.
2.
3.

OVERALL GE

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

best drill DESIGN

1.
2.
3.



Try to have 'em back by the night of September 24
include your e-mail address, full real name, and some 
ideas for potential future polls or interesting trivia 
questions.
From: IO11089@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Soundman - M&AGNR)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Cadets music in 93
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:38:53 GMT
 <1992Sep7.224402.26200@ncsu.edu>
 <1992Sep8.164652.27451@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
Organization: University of Maine System


 Could someone tell me what the staff lineup for the Cadets is this year?  Espe
cially, who is planning to write/teach the marching Drill?  Thanx in advance.
From: steveg@mks.com (Steve Gingerich)
Subject: Re: Tape of Broadcast
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:32:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.170756.27942@mips2.ma30.bull.com> j.bertone@ma30.bull.com (Jim Bertone) writes:
>Last Saturday was the broadcast of the  finals in Boston (PBS),
>unfortunately for me I only caught the Cavies  and  some of the 
>Cadets. I would love to get a hold of a video of the full 6 corps
>performances and end credits (the picture of George Z ).
>So if any you netters could help me out, get in touch and we will
>work out the logistics.
>

	I'm interested also...didn't even get broadcast in my area
	because of the Democratic convention business. I WANT TO
	SEE FINALS PLEASE ! .....thanks....
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From: SFINE00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Fineman, Stephen Elliot)
Subject: Re: Crossmen News
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:25:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.225158.15424@husc3.harvard.edu>
fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
 
>-music from their 1992 show is from the following sources:
>
>Begin Sweet World - by Richard Stoltzman from the album "Begin Sweet World"
>        in New Age section
>
>Appalachian Morning and Under the Sun - from Paul Winter - Earth, Voices of a
>        Planet - in New Age Section
>
>Rain Forest - by Full Circle - part of the song "Puma" from their album
>        called Full Circle  - in the jazz section
>
Thanks for the coverage.  Carl Ruocco is a good man.  But you forgot one thing.
The Crossmen's closer, "(Journey) Under the Sun" is also by Paul Winter and is
on "Earth: Songs of a Living Planet".
 
Steve Fineman
Crossmen '92 ('93, '94)
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From: cadets@next10wor.wam.umd.edu (William Michael Putman)
Subject: Re: Fees for Top Corps
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:16:33 GMT

Fees for the Cadets do not quite reach what was said by the member of the  
colts.  I marched in '91,'92 with the Cadets an dour fees are $700 as most  
corps, we do have camps throughout the winter and spring which are $30 a  
weekend usually once a month.  For those who reside far away from NJ, the  
staff will work with you if you cannot make camps as long as you work at  
home and send tapes in every month.  We do not have to move to NJ in Jan.   
we do have a spring camp for 3-4 weeks before tour in May and June.  For  
this we stay in dorms or this past year we stayed in cabins at a camp in  
Pa. this usually runs an additional$100-$150.

If anyone would like more info email me at Cadets@wam.umd.edu

Bill
Cadets of Bergen County
'91, '92
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From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Crossmen News
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:08:30 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1685D9288.SFINE00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> SFINE00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Fineman, Stephen Elliot) writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.225158.15424@husc3.harvard.edu>
>fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
> 
>>-music from their 1992 show is from the following sources:
>>
>>Begin Sweet World - by Richard Stoltzman from the album "Begin Sweet World"
>>        in New Age section
>>
>>Appalachian Morning and Under the Sun - from Paul Winter - Earth, Voices of a
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>        Planet - in New Age Section
>>
>>Rain Forest - by Full Circle - part of the song "Puma" from their album
>>        called Full Circle  - in the jazz section
>>
>Thanks for the coverage.  Carl Ruocco is a good man.  But you forgot one thing.
>The Crossmen's closer, "(Journey) Under the Sun" is also by Paul Winter and is
>on "Earth: Songs of a Living Planet".
> 
>Steve Fineman
>Crossmen '92 ('93, '94)

Actually, I did include the closer, just not as obvious is necessary.  I did
make one mistake though -- the song "Puma" is on Full Circle's album "Secret
Stories".  I just got Begin Sweet World and Secret Stories about one hour
ago!  I've listened to them and they are both great!! Almost as good as 
Crossmen's performance  :-)

Steve,  I sent in a short article to DCW about Bones but now that I've read
your comments I'd like to elaborate on it based on what you've just written.
May I?  Let me know ASAP so I can send a revised article to DCW by tomorrow.

Michael 

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From: ck10322@china.medtronic.com (Cameron Kaszas)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Starting A Drum Corps
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:34:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Medtronic, Inc., Minneapolis, MN

Thought you'd be interested in some Twin Cities
Jr. Drum Corps History (as much as I know...)

   Blue Knights, St. Paul:  1975-'79
      My start in drum corps! We went to DCI in 
      Denver in '77 (placing 11th in Class A), and '78 (37th
      in Open Class).  The corps numbered around 90 members,
      but we got up to 115 or so the summer of 1978.

   St. Paul Scouts: '60s-1978
      Made VFW Nationals Finals in early '70s. 

   Mounties, Stillwater: 1973-'79
      Chief competition for the Blue Knights, slightly
      smaller, but usually scored slightly higher
      (except '78!!)

Note that '78-'79 was a time of turmoil...
and from this came...

   Rivermen, Stillwater: 1979-mid eighties?
      Probably the most successful TC corps, I
      think they made top-25 one year, but not sure.

I point these out, not to discourage you from starting a
corps, but to let you know that there is more of a 
precedent than you think, and that there are A LOT of
experienced people in the area.  10 or so of us from
the Blue Knights marched with Madison, and the TC-Madison
connection has remained alive and well to this day.  3 of
Madison's instructors live here in the off season! (or used to...)

BTW, I work at Medtronic too!  How about a name for the
corps... 
          the Pacemakers! 

 (Medtronics makes implantable heart pacemakers, 
  and thanks Tom Mathews for that joke )


Cam
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: BAC = Boston Crusaders (but why?) 
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 5 Sep 92 09:59:09 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Sep5.035637.27779@vela.acs.oakland.edu> bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:
>BTW, I know I'll shoot myself when I hear it, but who is "BAC"?
>
>>Dave Owens (BAC member 85,87,88; staff 91...)
>>odavid@watson.ibm.com
>
I know BAC is the Boston Crusaders but I don't know what the history of BAC
letters is.  Dave, do you know?  Is it some corps secret or can you tell us
the meaning?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Speaking of the Boston Crusaders, I personally liked their 1991 Rocky show
much better than this year's Pictures show.  The Rocky show was able to
generate better excitement.  Why do you think the judges liked this year's show
better?


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From: cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: My comments on Finals and PBS broadcast
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:59:30 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <82306@bcsaic.boeing.com>, cdoser@bcsaic.boeing.com (Cathy Doser) writes:
> cputnam writes:
> 
>> Curt is full of insight, isn't he?  This sloppy move is why the tick system
>> is gone.  Those of you that want it back, just look at that innovative and
>> creative move and think what DCI would be without that kind of stuff.
>> Good idea, but poorly executed.
> 
> 
> While it may seem like a good idea to you, I want to ask you a question:
> 
> What if you had those moves AND precision? Wouldn't that be more
> impressive?
> I am appalled at the level of precision in the upper eschelon of corps.
> While I may not agree with all of the stylistic changes that have
> happened, some have been very good. I would be more impressed if more of
> the corps tried to keep up the level of execution.
> You don't hear professional symphonies playing music above their
> capabilities to impress people, they play what they can execute well.
> The same for ballet companies. If you can't perform the item, you should
> think it over, as you probably shouldn't do it.
>      
> I just don't buy the arguement that we must withstand imperfection to
> get innovation. I totally believe we can have both. It just takes more
> work. But with the attitude of the 80s still with us that we want things
> easy, it's no wonder.

Well, I must disagree.  If I was a corps director and emphasis was placed (as
it was in the 70's) almost entirely on the precision of the drill, I'd go with
the easy moves.  You know, the moves where you stand on the 50 and blow.  Or
the one where you're in a block and marching straight across the field.  Drum
corps is much better off by allowing the creativity to flow without thinking,
"If I put this move in, they may not have it perfected by Finals."  This leads
to drill designers creating easily marched drills that can be perfected by
Finals.  Kind of like the Devils' drill.  It is usually much easier than Star's
or Cadet's, but it is usually closer to perfection than theirs.  I would rather
watch Star's drill than the Deivls' (and listen to the Devils' horns) anytime.

Innovation can't happen if the designers are scared to make something hard. 
There is only so much time in a season to perfect the drill and if they have to
worry about it, they'll take the easy way out.

LONG LIVE THE BUILD UP SYSTEM!!

IRC nick-BlueDevil
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From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: What, when, how....!!!!!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:18:00 GMT

I spent numerous year in school and college bands.  During that
time I occasionally got glimpses of drumcorp competitions.  
I have always been interested in them, but could never follow
anything for lack of information.  Only the occasional PBS
showing, if I caught the advertisment.

Could someone give me information on how I can follow the
drumcorps?  I really *LOVE* this stuff.

Tammy
From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Crossmen lore
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:46:01 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Sep4.171748.8853@lester.appstate.edu>, C_S01798@APPSTATE.EDU (C_S1410102) writes:
> 
> 	The "Crossmen Phantom" I BELIEVE was brought back in 1990 and made 
> an entrance magically appearing in a *poof* of smoke on the back 50 with cloak
> spread.  I was told this fellow may have marched long ago and follows the tour
> around when he can.  He is dressed in an early Crossmen uniform and tends to
> pop up at the larger shows!  Can anyone support this?
> 
> - dolittle

	I remember seeing the "Phantom" as far back as 1987.  I think it was
the U.S. Open where I spotted him.

					Charles Holt
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Subject: alt.drumcorps off-season goals
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:02:42 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I have three off-season goals for alt.drumcorps - they are administrative,
but they will require input from the group.

1.  Update and complete the FAQ.  I'd like to get corps information on as many
more corps as possible especially Senior corps and Div  II/III.  My source
for the first FAQ was an old DCW and the DCI 1991 program.  I also suggest
that we split the FAQ up into several messages: general info about corps and
then addresses for corps, etc.


Two things to increase our online audience for drumcorps:
2.  I want to "upgrade" alt.drumcorps to rec. status.  When alt.drumcorps
was originally formed back in March, we discussed upgrading it, but too much
was going on to deal with it for the summer.  The consensus reached in early
discussion was that we would try and form a group called:

rec.arts.marching.drumcorps

If there was interest, we may also try and form sister groups like

rec.arts.marching.bands.college
rec.arts.marching.bands.hs
rec.arts.marching.colorguard

Since many sites don't get alt Newsgroups, this move may help increase our
readership several fold.  

The trick:  The ReadNews buracracy for getting rec status is substantial.
Has anyone who reads alt.drumcorps ever gone about starting a rec. group
before?  If so, please offer your comments. They will be much appreciated.

3.  I want to find a way to include people who used to get Off-the-Line in
these conversations.  In order to do that, there must a way to establish a
link between a ReadNews groups and a user mailing list.  Is this possible?
I'm calling on all the computer email gurus out there to see if it is
possible to exchange messages between a mailing list and ReadNews.  Since
I have no idea how to start on something like this, I'll just have to wait
for awhile until I get some feedback.


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From: sandy@lizzardo.sw.stratus.com (Sandy Flor)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Tape of Broadcast
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:37:23 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

I'd also love to have a copy.  Is there anyone out there with one?

Thanks!
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Subject: cadet's t-shirt quote
From: fath1@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:15:03 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

There was some talk a while back about the Cadet's t-shirt  quotes.  I didn't 
see a post with this year's so I thought I'd do it.  This is copied without 
permission from the Cadet's or the author :-).

	Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.
	Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men 
	  experience it.
	Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.
			--Helen Keller

Does anyone have any info or ideas as to why the Cadet's chose this quote
for this year?

Posted with permission on Michael's account.  --kim fath


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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: A Comment About Zingali & "Two-Seven" in 1980
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:56:03 GMT

< ... Story about Zingali in the audience deleted ... >

Well I was fortunate to have met Mr. Zingali at several shows.  The two
most interesting stories would have to be at one of the 1986 DCI regionals
I was sitting on the 50, and he came up the aisle and asked if he could
sit with us for Star's performance.  He went nuts.  I couldn't watch the
show because he was screaming and jumping and giggling (I actually
enjoyed watching him more than the performance anyway.)

Anyhow, before he left I kind of grabbed his arm and told him how much I
enjoyed watching (and studying) his drills.  I told him that he was a
large part of the reason I got into drill writing, and I asked him where
he got some of his ideas.

After bribing him with a coke, he spent about five minutes telling me
about how there were ideas everywhere (some of the ones I remember were
lava lamps, washing machines and modern art galleries.)  I asked where
he got the idea for the 1983 off the line set for Garfield, and he told
me the (now somewhat famous I guess) story about the ketchup spill in a
New York diner.

I also saw him at a lot of WGI shows, he always nodded and waved, so I
though that maybe he recognized from me other audiences.  But in 1990 he
was at the Southern regional in Pensacola (he was working with Emerald
Marquis that year.)  He stood on the side of the court for prelims and
laughed and screamed and jumped so high he hit his head on the
overhang.  I saw him at finals, and he came and sat near us, as he
passed by he asked how the drill writing was going.  He couldn't
remember where he had seen me, but he knew it was in 1986.  And he
remembered my first name.  I was impressed.

George Zingali was something else, I think we'll all miss him.

Bob

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From: jvbutera@grad09.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Video
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:39:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.203227.24967@dg-rtp.dg.com> cape@damien.rtp.dg.com (Chuck Cape) writes:
>I'm new to this so excuse me if this is a dumb question, but
>will there be video tapes available of the entire top-12 final 
>performances? If so, can somebody please tell how to go about
>obtaining a copy? Thanks in advance!
>
>Chuck Cape
>Data General, RTP, NC
>

You can obtain music/video recordings of each season thru DCI
in Lombard IL.  Unfortunately, here at my terminal, I don`t have the
address or 800 number handy.  However, I'm sure many folks here know
it and will post it.

PS> Don't expect to get them anytime soon - they usually don't start
delivering until Novemberish on the recordings.  (At least that was
my experience in which they came more like in December....)



-- 
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