HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Chinese-cu = chinese culture paradox - a happy solution?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:15:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.224949.14425@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>Ms. Hong, I disagree that "this sort of thinking is not prevalent anymore".
>An example would be the following e-mail that I received today; it apparently
>advocates some sort of physical violence to quelch criticism of China and
>Chinese society.
>
>      From xiong@fzi.de Mon Aug 31 07:15:45 1992
>      Return-Path: <xiong@fzi.de>
>      Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:10:38 GMT
>      From: Xiong Xun <xiong@fzi.de>
>      To: underdog@leland.stanford.edu
>
>      If I'd see you in front of me I'll surely cut
>      off your dirty pig head and throw
>      ...

I am not sure how one can believe on hypothetical 'hate' email D.Joe says
he received since D.Joe himself is proven liar (D.Joe accused me of using
racial slur jap against him and I am still waiting for evidence).

Besides, say a netter wrote above email to D.Joe.  Then according to D.Joe
that is enough evidence of savagery of Chinese culture.  Then following
same logic, since D.Joe is proven liar shall I conclude that Western culture
(which D.Joe so fiercely defende against Chinese culture) is inherently
based on set of false premises?   ... I know, I am wasting bandwidth with it.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin-jungshik@CS.YALE.EDU (Jungshik Shin)
Subject: Re: An alt.korean.text anyone ?
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:46:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.144851.15098@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>
>	With hanterm, I was using regular '/usr/ucb/vi'
>	w/o any problem editing hangul file (all you need
>	is stty pass8).

        Really? It's strange because regual vi ignore MSB as far as I know.

>	I've seen elm (with Korean patch) in some of ftp site
>	in Korea; does anyone have experience with it?
>	Does it only recognize certain format (such as hangul message
>	encoded by same elm)?
    
        Encoding method widely used in HANGUL mailing is very simple.
Add S/I before HANGUL and S/O after HANGUL and strip MSB(set to 1 in HANGUL)
out of KS code. ELM is not necessary for HANGUl mailing.
You only have to set PAGER and EDITOR properly. 

   Jungshik 



Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:47:31 GMT

melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Calling Dr. Nordstrom ...) writes:
: 
: 	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
: 	> I do not make attacks, generally, directed at a particular person.
: 	> This, again, is in stark contrast to standard Chinese-cu practice.
: 	> If a Chinese-cu doesn't like what you say, then he calls you "j*p",
: 	> "f*cker", "bored chinese who has got nothing betterto do", etc.
: 
: But Dwight that is *EXACTLY* what you do. When you don't like what
: a Chinese person says, you call them twits, baboons, savages and
: barbarians.
These are conclusions on parallel behaviours. He actually presented that if
someone can kill an entire group of people without any remorse, they are called
savages, which is what a savage, barbarian, baboons literally mean.

j*p is just a racist remark,
f*cker is a meaningless remark, used by uneducated fools.

: 
: Of course you try to hide it by saying you're directing your comments
: at the entire Chinese population instead of specific individuals. It
: doesn't fool anybody.
he uses the term chinese-cu and I'm sure there are a lot of genetically pure
chinese who do not behave like the chinese-cu, and you must agree with that.

You should understand the literal meaning of his statements. Do not try to
imagine other scenarious, if you want to continue a more intellectual 
discussion.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: edso@watson.ibm.com (Edward So)
Subject: Re: Be calm and think please!!!!
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 16:15:57 GMT
Reply-To: edso@watson.ibm.com		
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Sep1.185901.26646@news.duc.auburn.edu>, slee@eng.auburn.edu (Sanguk Lee) writes:
|> It's just political business between regimes not beween peoples.

I agree.  ROK "betrayed" ROC just like all others who preceded her.
And it makes no difference at all.  ROK had little influence
on the ROC-PRC relationship.  The timing of the event and the manner in
which it was conducted demonstrated to the world the lack of political
savvy and diplomatic sophistication on the part of the ROK government.
This poor attempt at election year politics might backfire and hurt
the incumbent party.  (All followups to this point to alt.politics.flame.)
I think this event could be a turning point for the better.  Now that
ROK and ROC are free of the old political shackles, they can get on with
the modern agenda of mutual interest - like making money.
I think ROK should provide a facility to ROC in Seoul.
Business as usual.

-- 
Edward So,  Computing Systems, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
IBM VNET: EDSO at WATSON       Internet: edso@watson.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Employment Opportunity
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:54:49 GMT

>               jyko@saitgw.sait.samsung.co.kr
>  
>       Attn:   Ko, Jin Young
>               Information Systems Integration Team
>               Samsung Data System (SDS)
>       Tel:    82-2-751-6514
>       Fax:    82-2-751-6771
>
>An equal opportunity employer. 

An innocent question with no hidden agenda: What "equal opportunity
employer" means with a Korean company based in Korea (notice that
email adress and #phone)?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Chinese-cu = chinese culture paradox - a happy solution?
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:17:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.224949.14425@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
      .....
|
|Ms. Hong, I disagree that "this sort of thinking is not prevalent anymore".
|An example would be the following e-mail that I received today; it apparently
|advocates some sort of physical violence to quelch criticism of China and
|Chinese society.
|
|      From xiong@fzi.de Mon Aug 31 07:15:45 1992
|      Return-Path: <xiong@fzi.de>
|      Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:10:38 GMT
|      From: Xiong Xun <xiong@fzi.de>
|      To: underdog@leland.stanford.edu
|
|      If I'd see you in front of me I'll surely cut
|      off your dirty pig head and throw
|      it into a manure pit at any price. Be aware of that,
|      when you venomously slander
|      Chinese in general you'll get someday what
|      you deserved! You`re the most dislike 
|      and disgusting person I've ever known. Until now
|      I've always tried to persuade the
|      other not to user personal attack words for anyone
|      who expresses different 
|      opinions. But this time I can't control me to
|      warn you, a insane, uneducated beast.
|
|As I've said before, Chinese-cu cultural is a perversion.  Americans
|(including Asian-Americans) should support the RimPac92 military 
|exercises, in which Japan will also participate for the first time;
|those military exercises can serve as the basis of a future security
|organization like NATO to protect Taiwan and other nations in ASEAN
|from the militarily threatening mentality of China and her people.

A very excellent example. I can also use you as an example of Western
or Japanese culture's (choose one, Dwight) perversion. Didn't you say
that recruitment of comfort women, Rape of Nanking and genocide in
West Borneo were 'actions by individual people'? The Japanese and 
Western culture you glorify so much must have condoned these savage
acts that could only be commited by savages. After all, you have been
preaching about those cultures as if you are the high priest of a cult.
The fact that you condone those "actions by individual people' seems
to justify calling you a savage. So, we now have Dwight 'Savage' Joe
and Dwight 'Actions by Individuals' Joe.

Can we also assume that your attitude towards Chinese is fairly
representative of the attitudes of most Japanese and Westerners?
If so, most Japanese and Westerners must have thought that Nazis
ain't so bad .



PS Can someone confirm that my postings arrive in the States safely?
   I haven't seen a reply from Dwight 'Actions by Individuals' Joe  
   for quite a while. 



--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________|
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:40 PDT
Subject: ROC/ROK, only bad timing?
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473700040:000:570
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Aug 30 03:40:00 1992



In Korea seemingly KBS reported the switch of diplomatic ties before the
Korean government could do so officially.

There seems to be a common understanding, that Korea had to switch ties
(from ROK to PRC), but that the timing was "surprising".

Could it be, that we all pay too much respect to politicians (wether in ROK, in
ROC, in PRC and in all countries) and expect bad intentions in situations,
where polititians had no intentions and simply messed up?

Why worry anyway? Did you already buy your tickets? Departure to heaven:
October 28th  :-)

Goetz
1992/08/30

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 04:25:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.190113.29895@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug23.051439.24237@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au>
> eln314m@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Ms ML Hong) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug23.014604.729@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
> >underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

(stuff deleted)

> >  How much truth is there in everything the Western World have said?
> 
> There's more truth than what the Chinese-cu are capable of.
> 20,000 is closer to the truth than 200,000.
> 
> Speaking of truth, did you know that the Chinese gov'ts on both
> China and the Republic of Taiwan send student spies, masquerading
> as real students, to the USA.  These spies post on newsgroups and
> monitor the activities and opinions pertaining to China and the
> Republic of Taiwan.
> 
> > If you study
> >history carefully and with an open mind, you'll find that many Western
> >countries foreign policies only value the lives of their own people and
> >the people in the countries they are meddling in are of no importance.
> >And the lies they put up to justify their actions .....
> 
> Ms. Hong, you needn't remind me of this.  I did very well in my
> history courses.

Those courses must have been taught from distorted Japanese history books.

> Given the behavior of Chinese-cu twits, one might be surprised that
> the Chinese-ge and the Koreans-ge actually belong to the same race.
> But it's true.

Legend also has it that the Japanese belong to the same race as the Chinese.
Fact has it that a great deal of Japanese culture was 'borrowed' heavily from the
Chinese(as anyone who did well in History would know), and that at  one time,
long long ago, Japanese high culture modelled itself upon Tang China.
Ironic isn't it, Japanese-cu is derived from Chinese-cu twits.

> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Shitte itara oshiete kuremasen ka.          | -+-      | especially, don't buy
>                                            /| / \      | from Capitol Toyota in
> Copyright 1992.                                        | San Jose, California.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:12:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.022731.20269@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
    .......

|
|Don't put words into my mouth.
|
|Silence on the part of an individual indicates nothing; however, silence
|on the part of a statistically representative sample of people would
|indicate something.

You have been pretty silent w.r.t the genocide in West Borneo, 
recruitment of comfort women and Rape of Nanking. That indicates
nothing? BTW, the Japanese have been pretty silent about it,too.
(considering they have taken trouble to 'edit' their history
books). Perhaps that indicates something. You profess to be good
at History. Shall we conclude that you have been reading the
Japanese History texts, Dwight 'Actions by Individuals' Joe? 

   .....

|
|I (1) would _not_ attack you personally, (2) would not harrass you personally,

Of course. The Nazis did not attack nor harrass the Jews personally. They
just said that everyone of Jewish extraction should wear yellow stars and
go to 'reeducation' camp. Didn't you say that the world would be better off 
if all Chinese in the world die ? That's exactly what Hitler wanted to
achieve w.r.t the Jews in WWII and what the Japanese wanted w.r.t the
Chinese in China and Southeast Asia. For someone who has been calling
Chinese people savages, it is surprising that he advocates killing
a quarter of the world's population and still refuse to acknowledge
that this is an act of savagery. Shame on you, Dwight 'Savage' Joe.
But, of course, you are really proud of your belief that you intend
to 'convert' others to become savages (just like what the Nazis did)
by using these newsgroups as your propaganda machine. 

|(3) would _not_ flood your e-mail box, (4) would _not_ maraude you from
|newsgroup to newsgroup, etc.

Just like the Neo-Nazis in Rostock, you deserve something worse.
Here in Australia, you can be jailed for the things you said
(for advocating racial violence, ie. all Chinese should die; 
and for racial vilification). 




--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________|
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Calling Dr. Nordstrom ...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Keywords: underdog (for those with killfiles)
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:06:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
	> I do not make attacks, generally, directed at a particular person.
	> This, again, is in stark contrast to standard Chinese-cu practice.
	> If a Chinese-cu doesn't like what you say, then he calls you "j*p",
	> "f*cker", "bored chinese who has got nothing betterto do", etc.

But Dwight that is *EXACTLY* what you do. When you don't like what
a Chinese person says, you call them twits, baboons, savages and
barbarians.

Of course you try to hide it by saying you're directing your comments
at the entire Chinese population instead of specific individuals. It
doesn't fool anybody.

	Melinda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<1992Aug24.160705.14258@natinst.com> <ges.25.0@boris.net.com>
	<1992Aug26.061001.27948@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:44:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.061001.27948@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:

>I am Singaporean and I've been sworn at in Chinese(Cantonese & Hokkien), 
>Malay, English, Hindi, and Tamil and I have done so to others myself. I
>spent 10 years in an 'all-boys' school and we don't use Queen's English
>unless we're in class. Based on my extensive experience in the matter of
>Singaporean profanity, let me reassure Mr Song that most Singaporeans and
>quite a substantial number of Malaysians of non-Chinese ethnic backgrounds
>understand Hokkien and Cantonese profanity. In fact, I would go so far as
>to say that Hokkien profanity is the preferred medium for swearing and insults
>regardless of race/ethnicity in Singapore - To verify what I've just said,
>just spend some time in any male dominated social environment and listen
>(we're still sexist in that Singaporean females tend not to use profanity).
>As for smiling while 'insulting', I've never seen it happen and I've
>lived most of my life in Singapore. However, a great deal of 'uneducated'
>Chinese hawkers, taxi-drivers, etc tend to use profanity as terms of
>endearment as well as 'insult' - that might account for the smiles. I do
>not wish to presume that Mr Song had led a sheltered life but there are
>people who say #@%* on greeting a friend before saying "How have you been?" -
>or rather "Where have you been? or "Where did you come from?" since they
>are Singaporeans.

In my experience, the above is very true.  Profanity is sometimes used by
people who know each other very well as a greeting.  It is along the lines of
"Hi, you dickhead!  How're they hanging?" which can be quite common in Manhattan
construction sites. 

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From: umin@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Un-Sig Min)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Episode of korea-china relationship
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:46:56 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


 One visiting scholar from china told me last year that china was waiting
 for 80th birthday of 'Kim, Il Sung' (leader of N korea). They(?) want 
'Kim' can enjoy his happy birthday.   Probably it was around april 92 (?).
Now china moves to diplomatic relationships with S korea.

 A son of 'Deng' (leader of china, 80+ years old) played main role of C-K
diplomatic relationship in chinese party.  This son studied physics at U.
of Rochester.   Physics and Politics have common in starting charater 'P'.

Un-Sig.
.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Subject: Re: Wanted : Hercules Mono Hangul Emulator for KSCODE code
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:03:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.144636.3280@ducvax.auburn.edu> kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:

>Also I received two packages of FAR EAST LANGAUGE DEVELOPMENT KIT
>FROM MICROSOFT WHICH I ASKED 6 WEEKS AGO.
>The package contains one CDROM and 3 korean related manual (one of them
>is written in korean), other books for chinese and Japanese.
>This package requires HANGUL WINDOW VERSION 3.1 (SOME NETTER TOLD
>THAT THIS SOFTWARE COSTS 300,000 WON, RIGHT? IF WRONG, LET ME KNOW)

My copy, which I think is no different from yours, contains MS Windows 3.0
Korean version itself.  I don't think you need MS Win 3.1 to use it.
There seems no relase of HanGul Windows 3.1 yet.

>If I can copy the CDROM to floppy version, I will upload
>to nic.funet.fi under /pub/culture/korean.
>(I uploaded dansi and vada there, because ftping rate is relatively
>fast then the job from korea)

No, you must *not* upload Win 3.0 Far East(FE) verion.
Please read the copyright document contained in the package.
You can be prosecuted by uploading this thing to a public FTP site.
MS thinks you like a software developer for the FE market.
Considering the English version developer have to pay some hunders bucks
for Windows SDK, and consideirng the small number of potential developers
for the FE version of Windows, free distribution of FE SDK seems wise move 
on MS's part which I thought I can exploit to get a free copy  :-)

The other thing is that the above site(nic.funet.fi) is in Finland !
Though the NSF backbone from US to Finland is quite fast, I don't think
we have to use a site in Finlad for HanGul related softwares.
If you think FTPing from a Korean site is too slow, and want to do some
service to users in the US, please upload it to *crl.nmsu.edu* !
The site manager seems more than happy to keep foreign language related
things in this site.

Well, wasn't it nice to 'talk' in Korean, Kim Sun-Bae ?  :-)

-- 
----
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Northwestern University    / B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     / hire physicists.
From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: One question to netters from ROC ..
Date: 30 Aug 92 06:13:18 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <1992Aug30.024149.29888@beaver.cs.washington.edu> chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou) writes:

>What the South Korea government should have done was dual
>recognition of both Taiwan and China on equal grounds,

If it were possible, I'm sure even the stupidest ROK government would have 
done it.  PRC just wanted to sever the relation and ROK had not many choices.
Is there any country maintaining the dual recognition ?  Enlighten me, please.

-- 
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Physics and Astronomy Dept. / park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov  / AT&T ?  Because they 
Northwestern University    / B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     / hire physicists.
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:40:55 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <Btp7tz.Hnv.2@cs.cmu.edu>, jc70@westend.VI.CMU.EDU (Joo C. Chung) writes:
> In article <1992Aug24.230918.24991@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>  
> tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee) writes:
> > 
> > In article <1992Aug24.061613.3246@ducvax.auburn.edu>,  
> kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:
>
> > Interesting enougn, you can find most Korean males are also heavy smokers.
> > And one more thing, most of the male Koreans wear sneakers in a different
> > way than usual. The rear part of sneakers are always treaded flat
> 		      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> How is this relevant? What significance does this have?
> 

It shows how sloppy the South Koreans are.

> > 
> > -- 
> > /* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.          
> *\
> >  * Take care and have a nice day.                                             
> *
> > \* Ter-Yuan Lee                                                               
> */
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