HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: 310 VGX Problems : Want TAC and Warner Bros. to merge.
Keywords: Its a hardware problem, guys.  Trust me on this one.
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 05:27:58 GMT

In <1992Aug12.223948.7432@news.iastate.edu> bryan@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Bryan Manske) writes:
| Here's the deal:  We have a 310 VGX which is a charter member of Satan's
| Congregation.  We bought it last September, I believe, basic warranty, etc.
| We had trouble with it for about the first month or two, then it got into
| the Christmas spirit and ran beautifully.  Then came that New Years Day
| Hangover... "Oh, well, we'll upgrade to 4.0.1!"  Didn't help in the long
| run.  Call the TAC.  TAC says, "Bug in 4.0.1, wait for 4.0.5!"  Okay, wait
| for 4.0.5.  Receive 4.0.5.  Install 4.0.5.  Call TAC. ... Stay Tuned.

Call the TAC again, and ask that your call be escalated.  If all is as you
say (and I have no reason to doubt you), something is wrong, and we should
be able to get it fixed.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sgi:12398 comp.sys.mips:876
From: jayl@bit.UUCP (Jay Lessert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi,comp.sys.mips
Subject: Re: I don't read this newsgroup, reply by email
Summary: No technical content
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:59:00 GMT
Reply-To: jayl@bit.UUCP (Jay Lessert)
Distribution: na
Organization: BIT,  Portland, OR

Oh, wow, this is hilarious!  Dwight Joe is everywhere!

In article <1992Aug11.213154.5363@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
	   underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>If you don't like reading what I've submitted, then I'd suggest that
>you set up a kill file.

Which (for the benefit of readers who have not encountered him before)
is excellent advice, and *exactly* what happens in most news groups
frequented by the famous Ms. Joe.  :-)

I'm sure Mark won't take the attack personally, I just wanted to assure
the rest of the comp.sys.{mips,sgi} readership that there is no reason
to take Dwighty's last article seriously.  Certainly, no further
postings on the subject are necessary (and of course, *this* one is
marginal...).

-- 
Jay Lessert  {decwrl,cse.ogi.edu,sun,verdix}!bit!jayl
Bipolar Integrated Technology, Inc.
503-629-5490  (fax)503-690-1498
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: tmcbraye@thor.ece.uc.edu (Tim McBrayer)
Subject: Re: help with shared libraries
Originator: tmcbraye@thor.ece.uc.edu
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:36:40 GMT


In article <32141@adm.brl.mil>, justin@scs.leeds.ac.uk writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> I'm trying to make some of the my libraries into shared libraries since the
|> executables they produce are getting a little too large for comfort.  After
|> fighting through "man 1 mkshlib" I got a small example library to work BUT :
|> 
|> a) I can't the shared library to access routines outside itself (e.g. printf
|> etc).  When I run mkshlib with -v I see the 'ld' that causes this.  Is there 
|> any way round this since lots of the libraries access further libraries and 
|> functions.
Yep, this is all taken care of for you (sort of).  First of all, the best
reference for this is the IRIX Programmer's Guide, Chapter 13 (or 14?).
It details all you need to know about how shlibs are accessed, why to use them, 
how to optimize them, and how to access external signals.  It's a little
awkward to do, but the Programmer's Guide has fairly thorough instructions, as
well as a complete example of how to modify your code to work in a shared lib.
I don't have access to manuals right now, but if you don't have said document
I can post/email the procedure.

|> b) I'm a little concerned about choosing memory addresses out of mid-air for
|> the shared library.  I've read the NOTES section and obeyed but I wondered if
|> anybody had practical advice/horror stories to give on the subject.
|> 
IF you give it a moment's thought, you'll see that the amount of memory
space we're talking about is *HUGE*.  SGI suggests putting the two segments at
0x0b800000 and 0x0bc00000 (right?).  These are 4 Meg segments, located way
up in the program's virtual address space. 0x0b800000 is many hundreds of Megs
up in the address space; no danger of running out of addresses!  mkshlib
handles all the jump tables and address mapping for you;  there really is
no worry about addressing.  Just be sure that no two shared libs are mapped 
into the same space. Running odump -L <a.out> will tell you where a.out is
expecting the shared libs it needs to be mapped to.

|> c) Is what I'm trying to do sensible.  Are IRIX shared libraries designed for
|> this?
This is exactly what the shared libraries are designed to do.
|> 
|> Thanks in advance for any hints/suggestions/abuse
|> 
|> Justin
|> 
|> justin@scs.leeds.ac.uk
Good Luck!
-- 
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Computer Architecture Design Laboratory     (513) 556-0904
University of Cincinnati                    "Visualize Whirled Peas"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: andy@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Andy Poling)
Subject: Re: Possible DGL/Xauthority conflicts
Followup-To: comp.sys.sgi
Summary: supposedly working on it
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:17:45 GMT

In article <86094@netnews.upenn.edu> holder@central.cis.upenn.edu (Gaylord Holder) writes:
>
>	We have just started using xauth/Xauthority here and have
>noticed some problems bringing up DGL processes with Xauthority
>running.  It seems if my REMOTEHOST environment variable is set, I get
>the error: 
>	dgl error (comm): read returned 0
>but if unset, everything works fine.  
>
>	Apologies concerning missing what might have been the relevant
>a few weeks ago, but is there a work around?

Yes, you can do the unacceptable: "xhost +" on the X-server.

I ran into this (and reported it) a long time ago.  I have a Bug Report #
around here someplace.  It sure would be nice if someone would at least
properly document the permission/authorization issues with dgl.

It would also be nice if it were fixed (I was told it might be in 4.0.5 but
it wasn't - at least the release notes didn't mention it).

Sorry if this sounds vaguely flamey, but I'm sick of not being able to run
GL programs on the fast machine with no graphics device (without doing an
xhost + and giving the whole universe access to my screen).  I can't use
edge, I can't use gr_osview, I can't....

-Andy

Andy Poling                              Internet: andy@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
UNIX Systems Programmer                  Bitnet: ANDY@JHUNIX
Homewood Academic Computing              Voice: (410)516-8096    
Johns Hopkins University                 UUCP: uunet!mimsy!aplcen!jhunix!andy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: felix@AHPCRC.umn.edu (Paul Felix)
Subject: Re: compiling X/Motif with C++ v2.1.1
Organization: AHPCRC
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:33:52 GMT

> I'm trying to compile a program written in mixed model
> with SGI's C++ v2.1.1 but for every call to a X command 
> the compiler gives the next error :
> 
> 
> 	error : unexpected 1 argument for Xt...

It appears that the function prototypes are not getting defined.

Wow, it's hard to get that error. I can't get that error on my SGI
with Irix 4.0.1 and SGI's C++. Is your compiler finding the X include
files in /usr/include/X11, or is it finding another set that you got
from somewhere else?

If you're not using the Imake utility, I recommend that you do. Make
sure that you define the macros FUNCPROTO and XTFUNCPROTO. This should
ensure that the prototypes get defined in the X11R4 include files on
your Indigo or on any other machine.

-- 

Paul
________________________________________________________________________
                                                                           
 Paul Felix                                        felix@ahpcrc.umn.edu
 AHPCRC/University of Minnesota                    (612) 626-8084
 1100 Washington Ave. So.
 Minneapolis, MN 55415
________________________________________________________________________
From: stein-c@acsu.buffalo.edu (Craig Steinberger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: BattleZone + DogFight = WARZONE ?
Keywords: bz, flight, wz
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:59:09 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Buffalo CFD Lab

Just out of curiosity, is it possible to have the binaries of the latest
versions of the game-type demos (i.e. flight/dog, bz, and whatever else)
avaliable at a FTP site? I realize it's not a priority to release them
quickly in OS updates, but this would be kind o' neat.

-Craig
-- 
Craig Steinberger                               stein-c@eng.buffalo.edu
              SUNY at Buffalo, Computational Fluid Dynamics Lab
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: cron,at
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:20:59 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <32149@adm.brl.mil> beyer@bflsgu.fl.bs.dlr.de (R. Beyer) writes:
| on an Indigo running IRIX 4.0.1 the following script runs as expected
| if submitted to 'cron'. However, if it is submitted to 'at' an error is 
| returned.

at only runs /bin/sh scripts...

This is alluded to in the man page, although not explictly stated.

However the message issued when you request an at job, and have
/bin/csh as your login shell is pretty clear:
	warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: 4.0.5 on 4.0.4 installation confusion 
From: doelz@comp.bioz.unibas.ch (Reinhard Doelz)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:12:12 GMT
Reply-To: doelz@urz.unibas.ch
Organization: EMBnet Switzerland [BASEL]   

|> 
|> | Well, one for all of your indigo's (r3k and r4k), and one for everything
|> | else.  4.0.5D will only install on supported hardware; it will refuse
|> | to install elsewhere.
|> 
 
I did install 4.0.4 on a vanilla R3K Indigo entry for some reason. Now, as 
I want to upgrade to 4.0.5, it tells me that some prerequisites are not met to 
install the maint images. Looking for 'versions' I got surprised in seeing the 
list of 'Unknown Product', 'Unknown maintenance release' also covered 
compilers, and some 4DLT 4DDN NQS etc. optional software. Ignoring the fact 
that this might not be a 'feature', is there any way to get 4.0.5. on this 
indigo in OTHER way than downgrading to 4.0.1? 
 
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From: holder@central.cis.upenn.edu (Gaylord Holder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Possible DGL/Xauthority conflicts
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:29:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	We have just started using xauth/Xauthority here and have
noticed some problems bringing up DGL processes with Xauthority
running.  It seems if my REMOTEHOST environment variable is set, I get
the error: 
	dgl error (comm): read returned 0
but if unset, everything works fine.  

	Apologies concerning missing what might have been the relevant
a few weeks ago, but is there a work around?

-Gaylord
holder@central.cis.upenn.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: stanj@ferrari.corp.sgi.com (Stan Jensen)
Subject: Re: Making QT movies from single-frame Insight images
Keywords: Quicktime Insight movies snapshot
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:21:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.065725.22381@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au>, apa@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Alan P Arnold) writes:
|> I don't think it is possible to run snapshot from the unix command-line,
|> specifying the coords of the screen you want captured. Can anyone suggest 
|> an alternative utility to do this.  (ipaste allows you to specify where
|> you want to *place* an image, but icut doesn't).

Look at /usr/sbin/scrsave for a utility that does allows coordinates.
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From: davea@quasar.wpd.sgi.com (David B.Anderson)
Subject: Re: Dynamic Loading Question
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:03:35 GMT

In article <1789@celia.UUCP> celia!gray@usc.edu (Steve Gray) writes:
>Recently I saw several postings that related to dynamic loading of object
>files.  At R&H we are currently developing an object oriented system that I
>think could benifit greatly from the type of run-time replacement of 
>objects/classes that is available in LISP or SMALLTALK based systems.
>
>There was one posting recently about a dynamic loader that had been developed
>by a third party that I foolishly deleted... also I am interested in what kind

That was Jack Jensen's work.  I'd mail it to you but have had no
success getting mail to you.  Maybe somebody else can get it to you.

>of system support SGI is willing to guarentee for this type of functionality.
                                     ^^^^^^^^^ ??
No guarantees!

We are working hard on support for SVR4-style dynamic shared objects.  
No predictions as to when they might be released.  

Regards,
[ David B. Anderson             (415)390-1548             davea@sgi.com ]
[ Not speaking for the company.   No guarantees!]
From: gray@celia.UUCP (Steve Gray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Dynamic Loading Question
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:17:57 GMT
Reply-To: celia!gray@usc.edu (Steve Gray)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

Recently I saw several postings that related to dynamic loading of object
files.  At R&H we are currently developing an object oriented system that I
think could benifit greatly from the type of run-time replacement of 
objects/classes that is available in LISP or SMALLTALK based systems.

There was one posting recently about a dynamic loader that had been developed
by a third party that I foolishly deleted... also I am interested in what kind
of system support SGI is willing to guarentee for this type of functionality.
Does ANSI C or C++ have provisions for this type of functionality... is it
going to?  Sorry if these are questions which I could research elsewhere,
but this is a start.

Thank you for any help you can provide!


P.S. one of the primary reasons we are interested in dynamic loading is that
linking large C++ programs is VERY slow.  Any ability to dynamically replace
the methods for a class would vastly improve our development cycle.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: drl@sol.acs.unt.edu (Dianna Laakso)
Subject: Converting Iris 3xxx into an Xterminal: need information
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:34:29 GMT

Our research group was recently given an Iris workstation. It's around
five years old, and seems to be in excellent working order. We would
like to use it as an Xterminal. 

Has anyone out there used an SGI workstation in this way? and if so,
could you please tell me the cost of the software? How easy/difficult
was it to install? Are you happy with the way it runs? If the software
is expensive, do you think it would be wise to invest the money in this
way? I'd really appreciate your comments and advice.

Thanks in advance!
Dianna Laakso
drl@sol.acs.unt.edu
From: oli@inel.gov (Mark Oliver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Help, vertical lines on screen
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:34:52 GMT

Ok, I recall seeing someone else discuss the vertical lines across the
screen problem.  Of course, I didn't follow the discussions carefully at
the time.  If some one could point me at a current archive of this list
or blast me their old versions of the mail I'd greatly appreciate it.

  My problem,  I started seeing vertical "streaks" in gl windows.
Usually at random with the problem clearing up after logging in and out.
Now I see vertical lines across just about everything.  It appears to be
associated to certain framebuffers.  Underlay planes are almost always
hosed.  Is this a hardware problem?  Is it one that is reasonable to
fix?
Thanks in advance for any help,
Mark Oliver, oli@inel.gov,  208-526-9952
From: beyer@bflsgu.fl.bs.dlr.de (R. Beyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: cron,at
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:14:53 GMT


Hi,

on an Indigo running IRIX 4.0.1 the following script runs as expected
if submitted to 'cron'. However, if it is submitted to 'at' an error is 
returned.

The script:

	#! /bin/csh -f

	set N=0

	while ($N < 9)
		@ N = $N + 1
		echo $N
	end

If the script is submitted to 'at' by

	at now + 1 minute < script_name

'at' mails the following message to the invoker:

sh: syntax error at line 32: `end of file' unexpected


*************************************************
Cron: The previous message is the standard output
      and standard error of one of your cron commands.

Does anyone know what is going on here ? Thanks for any hints you might
have.

Regards

Ralf Beyer


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From: bam8576@evtprp0b.UUCP (Beverly A Myers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Fujitsu 2 gig disks
Keywords: disk drives
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:20:45 GMT
Organization: bcs

We just got in 3 Fujitsu 2 gig disks from ANDATACO for one of our 4D-35.
will they work on it (all 3 are in one case)  will all of the 1.75 gig be 
available after formatting.  Has anyone had any experience installing
these disks. If anyone has installed any of these I would appreciate
knowing what if anything has to be done different than installing regular
SGI drives.

Thanks 
 
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From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: 8mm tape drives, which are certified by SGI to work
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:45:06 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Aug14.150706.1602@umbc3.umbc.edu> jack@horton.umbc.edu (jack suess) writes:
| I have just bid out five of the 5GB 8mm tape units. One of the bid 
| requirements was "The Drive must be certified by SGI and can be used
| as standalone boot device". I have received responses from 
| Transitional technologies, Inc.
| Contemporary Cybernetics

Uhh; you are out of luck.  8mm is NOT supported as a bootable device.
In fact, the first system where it even has a chance of working is
the r4k Indigo, where I made some changes that should allow it to 
work.  It will probably never be officially supported though.

| Can anyone from SGI comment where either of these drives have been certified
| to work on SGI Crimson machines. 

I replied earlier to private mail, but for anyone else who might be
interested, all 8mm drives are made by Exabyte.  Some distributors
use completely stock drives, others add hardware (such as compresson),
and/or have custom firmware.  SGI is very unlikely to qualify anything
other than the basic Exabyte drive/firmware (although we are doing things
like the 10i stacker for some special products).
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Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey )
Subject: Re: How to build a System-Disk ??
Organization: Dainippon Screen Engineering of America, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:23:50 GMT

In article <srp.714028041@babar.mmwb.ucsf.edu> srp@babar.mmwb.ucsf.edu (Scott R. Presnell) writes:
>olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes:
>
>>In <vC+vr*Qw0@video1.bs.open.de> achim@video1.bs.open.de (Joachim Gothe) writes:
>>| Is there anywhere a complete discription, how to build a System-disk
>>| for a 4D/xx or Indigo???
>>| 
>>| There are many commands like fs, mkfs and the miniroot in the manuals,
>>| but nowhere a description, how to make a System-Disk with an empty
>>| SCSI-Disk and a CD-Rom or Tape.
>
>>The instructions are quite clear.  It is called 'installing software'
>>(well, > 95% of it is).  The Installation Guide is quite clear on all
>>of that.  That process will make filesystems if required, so you
>>don't need to worry about that much.
>
>>The Installation Guide even contains instructions on how to boot
>>the standalone fx from the various types of installation media,
>>and how to determine which fx to boot (there are several different
>>versions, depending on your hardware type).
>
>>If after reading the Installation Guide, something still isn't clear,
>>please let me know.  I spent a lot of time working with the author
>>if the I.G. to make it very straightforward and simple.
>
>Indeed. I just wanted to comment that I felt the Software Installation
>Guide is now really a usable piece of reference material.  A much better
>guide than was available during the IRIX 3.* days.  I spent some time
>recently repartitioning and rebuilding several of our drives.  I appreciate
>the time that was put into this guide.
>
>	Thanks.
>-- 
>Scott Presnell				        +1 (415) 476-9890
>Pharmaceutical Chemistry, S-926			srp@cgl.ucsf.edu
>University of California
>San Francisco, CA 94143-0446			


The installation guide is indeed a great help! SGI has come a LONG way with
their documnentation. I still have one question ( and I hope it's not a FAQ).
If I have to build a system disk from scratch ( in this case a DAT tape made
using distcp), how do I get sash and ide on the new disk's volume header?

(OH, This drive is not shipped from SGI)

Using the bootable DAT tape, I can format the drive, but without sash on the
volume header, forget about using the choice #2 from the PROM (Install system)
 or #4 (Recover System).

Thanx in Advance!!!

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*					Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )
*					Dainippon Screen Eng. of America
*					3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.
*					Santa Ana, CA. 92714
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					Dan Lacey
					lacey@dsea.com
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