From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:47:42 GMT

car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>In article <25127@sophia.inria.fr>, weigl@sibelius.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl) writes:

>> Hm...Let me see if I got this right:
>> Since you, for what reason whatever, are lacking the sensors to grasp the 
>> difference between a Harley Davidson and another motorcycle, you want
>> to _FORCE_ Harley riders _AS A GROUP_ to stay on rec.moto?

>Say, Konrad, have you studied American History in your education?  
>Specifically, are you familiar with the attempt of the Confederacy
>to secede from the United States and the pro/con arguments of the
>time?  No doubt the Southerners believed the US risked nothing by
>allowing or endorsing the secession. The Union obviously felt otherwise,
>and with considerable justification, as history has shown.

To arms! To arms!

Ok, let ME see if I got this right: Sub-groups of rec.motorcycles =
civil war? Nope, I can't buy that, things have been mostly uncivil so
far. :-)

Both r.m.dirt and r.m.racing have successfully seceded, and yet the
Union of rec.motorcycles still stands. The same arguments about "family"
were used against both groups, but has their existance damaged rec.moto?
If the answer is no, then the only remaining objection to r.m.harley is
that it is "brand specific", and I don't consider that a valid
objection, unless we're all going to paint over the identifying marks on
our cycles and change our .sigs to read "I own three bikes, brand and
model unimportant." (Though it does seem like I've heard that before
somewhere. :-)

>perhaps the similarities between that earlier Civil War
>and this one might enlighten?

I think you've got the wrong analogy. Civil war implies that members of
the Union are leaving, and taking something valuable with them. Judging
by the amount of genuine Harley traffic (as opposed to mere flames) in
rec.motorcycles, vs. the number of members of the Harley mailing list,
I'd say that either they've already left, or were never part of the
Union.

No, this isn't an attempt start a civil war, it's a petition for
admission to the Union as a state. Currently alt.harley and the mailing
list are isolated, unreachable by many, and seperated from the Union
by artificial trade barriers. By granting Statehood, in the form of
rec.motorcycles.harley, the trade barriers can be dissolved, the long
lost branch of the "family" can be welcomed into the Union, connectivity
will be upgraded from cow paths to Interstate (hmm, wrong image. How
about a nice, twisty, perfectly paved two-laner instead of the boring
superslab?), and who knows, even tourism, and interstate trade may
flourish & thrive.

Vote YES on statehood for rec.motorcycles.harley.

(Geeze, it sounds like this is an election year or something!)
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