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From: aftab@lise.unit.no (Aftab Ali Khokhar)
Subject: Test
Organization: University of Trondheim
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 19:19:59 GMT

Test......test


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: oaf@serverx.osf.org (Oded Feingold)
Subject: Islam is the best religion
Summary: clipped from alt.religion.kibology
Keywords: Names removed so you only flame ME!
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 14:07:26 GMT

		    ==============================

>>>	If you had a bet to take, either for a god and go to 
>>>	'eternal bliss', or that there is no god and take your chances.
>>>	where would your money be?
		    ==============================

>>    Hmm...  Maybe you are right, wouldn't hurt to take up a religion 
>>    for a little "after life" insurance.  As good a reason as any.
>>    Now, which religion is the best "after life" insurance policy.
>>    So many to pick from. Hindu, Moslem, Christian, Jewish.  Maybe all.
		    ==============================

>  Definitely Moslem (at least for men), there you get to enjoy all
>  the things that Christianity would send you to hell for... or so
>  the rumors say. 

		    ==============================

I truly admire the deeply religious guys on this newsgroup who are
also willing to please the blondes of this world.  May Allah give you
strength, at least in certain departments.

If your beliefs are correct, you will need that strength forever!
Take good care of yourselves.
From: irwin@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Irwin David)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Questionnaire/Survey
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:59:24 GMT
Distribution: qc
Organization: Universite de Montreal



To whom it may concern,


In order to complete a Ph.D. dissertation in the field of political science 
I must verify a certain number of propositions. To do so, I must gather data.
To gather data I must ask people to fill a questionnaire.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 |If yourself or your parents were born in a country other than Canada you| 
 |qualify as a respondent.                                                |   
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If you wish to receive a copy of the questionnaire or further details, please 
send me a message or provide me with a postal address. You should expect the
questionnaire to arrive via Canada Post within the week. 

P.S. Thank you to those who have already accepted to participate in the
study.

Regards.

David H. Irwin

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
David H. Irwin				E-mail: irwin@ere.umontreal.ca
University of Montreal
			<<Have a Nice Day>>
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iranian
From: nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik)
Subject: Re: ISLAM ON ABORTION
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 14:54:11 GMT

onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq) writes:
: Since I am not an erudite Islamic scholar, I was wondering if someone
: had any facts, quotes, or knowledge about Islam'c position towards
: abortion.  I have heard from many people that according to Muhammad(PBUH), 
: abortion was allowed by the third month of pregnancy(latest), since the
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: soul of child was not formed yet.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I am not aware of the complete Islamic position on this issue; but about the
soul forming after the 3rd month -- I think that this is not the case. In the
Quran somewhere it says that Allah breaths into the ovum a second creation
(which is intrpreted as the soul) at the moment of conception. So the soul is
there from the beginning.

The question is the the stage of development of the soul -- is life absolute
from the beginning? or can we talk about development of life and the soul
itself both in terms of its physical and spiritual nature? I do not know the
answers to these questions.

: 
: Thanx in advance!
: E-mail me directly or post it for others' interest as well.
: 
: Omar
: omar.farooq@att.com

Nadeem Malik
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Subject: Re: fatwa for today
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:09:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.104031.15608@doug.cae.wisc.edu> ahasan@cae.wisc.edu (Ali Hasan) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.062422.18946@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
>>
>>	after the tensions in peshawar.
>>	all religious tension between shia's and sunni's must cease.
>>	therefore i ask my followers and brothers and bhabi's
>>
>>		all sunni men should marry shia women
>>		and all shia women should marry sunni men.
>>								17:6:92
>>
>>sahibzada rafay khan[the world for a .........]
>
>	Hey!! You left out shia men :-(
>	Does that mean we don't get married ?
>	Or are we allowed to run after blondes now ?
>
>					--ali ;-)

	What about sunny women... ;-) 

Nadeem

-- 
Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7882
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 18:27:50 CDT
From: REHAN U. HAQUE. <U54479@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Sorry! Just a test!




Just a test! Sorry!
From: khan@twg.com (Sharaaz K. Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: SCPians of California: Press Release
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:10:00 GMT
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA




How come I was not invited to this meeting?????

Well everyone - I have returned from my lovely experience of a 
trip to Pakistan.  On the way I have gotten engaged and now am 
a happy man :)

Sharaaz Khan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: usman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Usman Hameed)
Subject: Re: fatwa for today
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:22:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.104031.15608@doug.cae.wisc.edu> ahasan@cae.wisc.edu (Ali Hasan) writes:

>	Hey!! You left out shia men :-(

But you're already jamming with the radical shia babes. 
Aur kiya chahiyay.


>	Does that mean we don't get married ?

Matrimony mein kiya parrha hai baba.


>	Or are we allowed to run after blondes now ?

Would you substitute them for shia bachchis?


>					--ali ;-)

Usman
From: exuhaak@exu.ericsson.se (Haseeb Akhtar)
Subject: Re: Interest/Financing cars and homes
Reply-To: exuhaak@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:13:34 GMT

In article 11242@eng.umd.edu, naina@eng.umd.edu ('Mohammed Rafay) writes:
>Assalam alekum,
>
>I have a question and a doubt if anyone can calrify it I would really
>aprreciate their help and may Allah reward them for their help.
>
>My question is about interest or financing of cars and homes.
>Is it okay if you buy a car from a dealer with financing? I know that
>I will be paying interest but, one of the brothers said that don't 
>look at it from the interest point of view think that the car costs 
>so much and that you are paying that in installments. 
>
>I have a car which is pretty old and constantly giving me trouble 
>and I end paying the mechanic quite a bit and also the inconvience to
>my work. I was looking towards buying a new car cause if I buy a used
>car again it may also start giving trouble after some time and I can't
>afford to buy a new car cash down. Can anyone please advise me what to
>do or is there any Islamic organization out here that gives interest
>free loans or do auto financing?
>
>My other question is mortage on houses is it advisable to pay the 
>mortage and own the home or just pay the rent and never own it.
>
>I know interest is haram in Islam but what is a guy supposed to do 
>under these conidtions. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
>May Allah reward you for your help.
>
> Wasalam alekum.
>
>Your brother in Islam 
>
>Rafay Mohammed.
>(naina@lotus.eng.umd.edu)

First of all, a Muslim/Muslima ought to rely on Allah for everything and try his/her level best to follow His Guidance unconditionally - no matter what. As for riba (interest), since it's HARAM - we should stay away from it. That's the least a Muslim/Muslima can sacrifice for the sake of Allah. But, that's just the beginning. The hardest part is to set up an economic system which is based on Islamic Shariah - not on riba. This is what "a guy supposed to do under these conditions."

Well, don't mean to dishearten you like that. Fortunately, some brothers have already started an interest-free financial institution to cope with the issues that you pointed out. They are using halal economic models so that Muslims living in USA would have access to cars and houses. They are calling themselves MUSLIM SAVING & INVESTMENT (MSI).

I'm not talking mere theories here. I myself have got my car from MSI and is waiting in the line for getting a house financed. Since they have very limited resources, you'd have to stand in a line for houses. Cars, however, are much easier to get. I'm not going into details as to how exactly the Islamic models work. Anybody interested can call their TOLL FREE number or write to them for furhter information. You can also invest in MSI on a profit/loss basis. There track record has been pretty good so far. W




ell, try them out.

Here is their address:

Muslim Saving & Investment
1801 Avenue of Star, suite 640
Los Angeles, CA 90067
1-800-USA-MSI1
1-800-872-6741

Regards.

ha
From: khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistani Olympic Athletes
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:28:33 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

> Pakistan this time is supposed to be competing in sailing(yachting), and they
> did win a gold and bronze in 1984 and one silver in 1988.  There are also  
> sending (at least they are supposed to): archerers, fencers and one eight-man 
> rowing boat (heavy weight 8 crew -> for those in college).
> 
> Omar


No Pakistan has never won a medal in the olympics in sailing. Though they did
win in the Asian Games. As far as I know the only other sports that Pakistan has
ever won  medals in besides hockey are boxing and once if I remember correctly
in cycling. Both of these medals were bronze I believe.
              ___
  Lahori (LHL 111) Poond
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
Subject: Re: memories
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:12:38 GMT

memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:

>People in my opinion did not
>give a damn because they have enough understanding of the status quo to 
>note that Islam is being used. 

I agree. That is why I think that voter apathy or even antipathy
is understandable if not expected. 

>BTW did you know that there were anti-
>Zia votes :) and atleast on one occasion when the TV reporters thought
>that they were off-the-air, their jokes about announcing the "real results"
>made it to the viewers. Election-time is the best time to watch PTV :)

I think that there are those who were opposed to Zia and viewed 
the referendum in the manner that you mentioned above, and had no qualms
about voting against ZIA (since they didn't see it as voting against
Allah--as Zia tried to portray it). I also believe that there
are MANY among us who are opposed to Islam and opposed to the rule
of Allah in ANY way shape or form. However, I would argue that the
overwhelming majority is not a part of this camp. I'm not sure what
the "real results" were, but I doubt that people came out in 
droves "against Islam."

My point is that if we were able to truthfully ask people
what type of Pakistan they wanted, we would get a multitude of answers,
but Islam and the rule of Allah would figure prominently in the
answers of the overwhelming majority. I don't just mean of the 
oft-quoted "suppressed masses," or "vernacular class." I also mean
of the "vernacular" man that we have suppressed within us--the
westernized elite. [reference is to Iftikhar's article and brainwashing]

Again, please don't take this as a call to any specific -ism.
I am not calling for Jamaatism or Deobandism [though I obviously
have a slight inclination is those two directions :-)] or Ziaism,
or Barelviism, or Shiaism or any other specific implementation.
I am just making the observation that the reality that is Pakistan
does not match the intent of its founders [the PEOPLE not the "leaders"]
or the aspirations of its people.

-hd
P.S. Be sure to leave us [at least me]  your snail mail address 
     before you leave.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mughal@romeo.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: SCPians of California: Magic Mountain
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:41:00 GMT


	AA! Here is some more information regarding the trip to	
	Magic Mountain (Talismee Pahar). 

	Tentative date: August 22nd

	Tickets       : $ 17.50 each from Caltech (Reg $ 24.50)

	Please make up your mind soon :) drop me a line if interested.

	Asim Mughal

	[Standard Disclaimer]
From: khalid@bu-bio.bu.edu (Rasheed A. Khalid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: How formative years' education can ruin an adult male pakistani
Keywords: pakistani, fool, terrorist, oppression, labor laws
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:30:48 GMT
Organization: Biology Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Ms. Ruth (or ruthless), as a tall Pakistani male, I feel somewhat insulted
by your hasty generalisations in making a nation-directed stereotype out
of some boss you had.  This is becoming increasingly typical of Americans --
to feel people of other nations (especially if they are non-white) to be
inferior to Americans (whites) in almost every sense.  I have had white males
under me, some taller than myself -- I did not give a ____ to their height,
brawn or appearance.  When they were wrong, they were dead wrong, and they
were treated no better or worse than women.  You seem to be making a new
group of feminists, based not only on gender but also on race.

Good luck,
Rasheed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: aj3u@ruby.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis)
Subject: Re: Naqshbandiyya Sufi Master
Organization: University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA 22903
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:25:49 GMT

I wonder how much of Sufism is directly lifted from the
pre-Islamic Gnostic traditions of the Mediterranean basin.
Before the advent of Christianity Gnosticism seems to have
enjoyed much popularity in the Roman Empire and presented the
only credible threat to the message of Christianity.  Many of the
early Christian heretics were Gnostics.

Perhaps because of it lacked an institutionalized orthodoxy (like
the Church in Christianity) the religion of Islam was unable to
react to the Gnostics converting to it in large numbers and then
corrupting its pure message with their pre-Islamic Gnostical
ideas.

Asim.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: usman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Usman Hameed)
Subject: Re: NATIONAL LANGUAGE
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 00:02:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.210049.2294@sol.cs.wmich.edu> sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani) writes:

>Everybody who tried UNIFORMITY as nation building
>theory has failed.


THEN JAPAN CLASSIFIES AS A FAILURE!


>All one religion, one race, one color nation-building
>theories are examples of UNIFORMITY.
>
>DIVERSITY is new national building theory. It seems
>to be working pretty good in USA. 


SOME PEOPLE WOULD NOT AGREE WITH THAT.  


>In fact, I see no option in the long term except
>DIVERSITY. 
>-Naveed

YOU MAY BE RIGHT.

USMAN





Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
Subject: Re: reply to Iraz first- Pakistan next...
Keywords: pakistan, iran, arrid land, land for hire
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:09:28 GMT

ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci) writes:

>In response to:

>	Iran first, Pakistan next?

>		One could only hope!


debchat alert.

correction. even less intelligent than debchat alert.

-hd
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nnk@surya.cs.wayne.edu (Nas)
Subject: Re: Learning Urdu
Originator: nnk@surya.cs.wayne.edu
Organization: Wayne State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:35:18 GMT

In article <25JUL199217384086@vxcrna.cern.ch> mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes:
>In article <111129@muvms3.bitnet>, rcbi110@muvms3.bitnet (R. ALAN MONROE) writes...

>>I am very interested in learning to speak and write Urdu.  

>	Why the hell you have to learn urdu?
>        Why dont you learn Punjabi?.


To rcbi110@muvms3.bitnet, please don't pay any heed to such gracious and
*humble* invitations; we too, occasionally get samplings of people like
these who would like to see EVERYONE as BUCK naked as they are!! (meta-
phoricly speaking ;-)


OBPK: You can always access your main library and find a good English to
      Urdu dictionary or a conversation book in their linguistics/foreign
      languages department.

 
--                                            ____
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From: zafar@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Syed Zafar Kazmi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Latest olymics hockey status
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:19:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: splinter.ZAFAR.92Jul30151929
Distribution: soc.culture.pakistan
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University


Pakistan was scheduled to play with unified team, some time last night 
(US time), Does anybody has the scores?

Zafar Kazmi
From: jxt@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jawahar Tembulkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: BAHAAR KAY DIN AAA GAI
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:24:31 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <dogar.711655842@opal4> dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar) writes:

... Some stuff deleted for brevity ...

>Perhaps it is difficult for you to understand the
>oversentimental. Nevertheless: The Dogars left District Hushiarpur of 
>East Punjab in 1947. Due to an illness, my parents left Pakistan in 1962.
>I was born in Chicago on the Fourth of July, 1966 [grand old nephew of
>my Uncle Sam :-)]. It is now 1992. Still, when I think of the 40 Dogar
>villages of Zilla Hushiarpur, Tesil Dasua [villages I have never seen]
>and I look at what has become of the dream of Pakistan, I feel my heart
>compress and my vision go dark from the immense grief. It is not just
>that I will not see the streets where my great-great grandmothers walked
>bringing water from the well, or the sehans where they churned butter. It
>is not just that I will never be able to walk in the fields that my
>great-great grandfathers tilled. 

Why does the poster assume this ?  He could very well get a visa
to visit India, and go and check out the villages that his family
used to call home.

>The thing that bothers me the most is
>that  the mosque that my great-grandfather built with his own hands
>[his Sadqa-jaariya] and that my mother used to sweep herself [because
>of the sense of thawaab that he had inculcated in her] has been defiled
>and has probably either been destroyed or turned into a Mandir or
>Gurdwara.

Does he know this for a fact ?  It is quite possible that if all
the muslims left these villages, the mosque may have deteriorated
due to no upkeep.  However, I doubt seriously that it will have
become a Gurdwara/Mandir.

I hope you do realize the turbulence caused by the present Babri
Masjid/Ram Janambhumi imbroglio.  I am not aware of any mosques
having been converted into Gurudwara/Mandir.  There have been
occasions when houses of worship ( of all religions ) have become
involved in stone throwing and other deplorable sorts of defilement.
Ususally this occurs during communal riots and such like.

>-hd

Regards,


Jawahar



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mmasood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mohammed A Masood)
Subject: The Bear Trap - book by a pakistani general
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:22:01 GMT

Salaam, have anybody heard of the book called "The Bear Trap" 
by General Yusuf of Pakistan.  It deals with the issue of arms
aid to Afghanistan Jihad during the period of `83-`87?

If yes, could you send me some info on how to get hold to a copy
of the book.  I don't seem to find at the Ohio State Univ. Lib.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:12698 soc.culture.indian:25817
From: onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: ANOTHER JOKE, no offense!
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:33:42 GMT
Organization: AT&T


A Sikh newlywed couple is given a house in a village as a present.
The village is mostly Hindu and Muslim,and they are the only Sikhs
in the area.  Since they have just moved in, the house is mostly
empty and bare.  

So one day, the wife says:
"Bazar ja kay ik almari thay laia!"

The Sardar is busy with his own things and says:
"Main apni fursat nal jawan ga, mennu thang na kar!"

Many days go by and guests start arriving at the new couple's home, so
the wife, who is upset by now, says:
"Kapre saray bikar pay, thenu koee sharam nee andee"

So the husband reluctantly strolls into the bazaar in the center of the
village, walks up to a storeowner and says:
"Pahji, ay almari kennay dee aiy"

The storeowner replies:
"Sardar-ji, thoday nal koi karobar naee chalda, thuseen aithon jao"

The husband, perturbed at the reaction of the local people, decides to 
wait a week and come back with a different look.  After one week, he
has removed his beard and Sikh turban and grown a long moustache and
a regular turban with a long kurta and dhothi.  He then walks into
the same store and says:
"Pahji, ay almari kennay dee aiy"

The storeowner replies:
"Thu phir aithay agia, mai thennu dusrian, aithon chathee nal nikalja"

Again, the husband is quite perturbed and goes home very discouraged.
But he decides to give it one more try and waits another week to yet
come back with another different look.  A week goes by and he now looks
like an Arab Sheikh: he has a goatee beard, a headdress, a robe, dark
glasses and a brief case.  
He walks up to the same storeowner and says:
"Marhaba, Assalamualeikum Warahmatullah, ye almari kithnay ka hay?"

The storeowner replies:
"O Sardar-jiii, thusee baz nee anday, may kennee daffa thonnu dassan
ga, thoday nal koi karobar naee chalda.  Aithon ja, verna may bakian
noo bulandan"

The Sardar gets very upset and suddenly tears off his head gear and
shouts:
"Thennu kiddan patha see kai may Sardar ahn"

The storeowner replies:
"Sara wuqth, thu hee es fridge noo almari kayray-a see!"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan