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From: Alex_Hart@mindlink.bc.ca (Alex Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: An Tir Crown Tourney
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:39:20 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

and ,if I remember correctly there was an An Tir coronet tourney where everyone
was mysteriously awakened at the same time on morning and those from parts
south found they HAD to leave AND QUICKLY ! Can anyone on net recount the time
that 3 Mountains became 2.5 mountains ?
(for those historically or geographically impaired, this refers to the eruption
of Mt. Saint Helens in the early eighties)
Alastair the Eastern Traveller
Lions Gate,An Tir
From: leighann@fugazi.sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Knight Riders (was Re: Prince of Thieves wrongos)
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:51:34 GMT
Organization: Tealach Rois Dubh

Beannachaidh do 'n Rialto o Shiobhan!  And especially greetings to milord
Aryk, who writes:
> Ever sat with a bunch of middle-aged Scadians and watched _Knight Riders_
> while pointing out who's supposed to represent which personality from
> Pennsic X?

I have only ever heard tell of this movie, and I've always wanted to see
it.  Is it out on video?  If so, where can I get it?  If not, does
somebody have a bootleg copy they could duplicate for me?  Thanking you
in advance...

Slainte!
	- Siobhan

----------------
Leigh Ann Hussey 		leighann@sybase.com
Siobhan ni hEodhusa, ORL, OGB, etc.
Argent, a pale vert, surmounted in base by a lion dormant or, on a chief
wavy vert an Irish harp or.
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From: PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: History vs. dreams
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:18:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.231459.16441@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu> cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Charles) writes:
>Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
>Path: utkux1.utk.edu!utkcs2!athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu!cctimar
>From: cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Charles)
[snip]
>
>Angharad ver' Rhuawn writeth of those that play at being elves.
>
[snip]
>I agree with Angharad, however, that this should not be necessary.
>
>Several people have pointed out that we don't re-create persecution,
>and other aspects of the middle ages.  

You are incorrect.  Those who fail to goose-step to the turn of the rigid 
reproduction of life in the Old Middle-Ages are persecuted.

>I realize this is not a hard and
>fast rule, but I think that, from the perspective of authenticity,
>errors of omission are less serious than errors of commission.  

That is extremely tolerant, and a decreasing viewpoint.


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T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
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Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Ducal Prize Tourney
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:41:35 GMT

Ducal Prize Tourney--the annual fund raiser for the West Kingdom Land
Fund--was held last weekend.

There were about 800 people at the event and about $11,500 was raised.
Among the various competitions involving 'things' (children's garb,
for instance), there were winners from each of the West's 4
principalities.

By my count this brings the total amount held by the Land Fund
Trustees to around $155,000.  This is getting on for enough to buy
land, and sites are being investigated.

There was a very short questionaire distributed at the event.  As I
think nearly everyone knows, the World Science Fiction Convention
(WorldCon) is in San Francisco next year.  It falls on the same
weekend that Ducal is normally held.  Various options are being looked
at about moving or cancelling the event and how much of a conflict
this is held to be.

What I'm curious about is . . .  How many folks from other kingdoms
are planning to go to WorldCon and might be interested in coming out a
week early if there were a sizable West Kingdom event held on (say)
the weekend before WorldCon not too far from San Francisco?  For that
matter--what would you consider to be 'too far away'?  (For reference
on this question, this years Ducal was held in Marysville--about 120
miles from SF.)

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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Subject: Info Request on Hurricane Relief
From: <LANDERSO@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 9 Sep 1992 10:41:47 CDT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

Greetings to all gentles....

Last night, the Incipient Shire of Elverod held its monthly business meeting.
The relief effort for victims of Hurricane Andrew was briefly mentioned.
Unfortunately, the gentle with the information had to leave town this past
weekend due to a family crisis.

I volunteered to ask the good gentles located here for any pertint info about
the effort, and report back to the Incipient Shire.

Any and all information available would be aprreciated in E-mail.

Thanks in advance.

                      Andrew the Wanderer
                      Chronicler, Incipient Shire of Elverod
                      [No...I didn't have anything to do with it! :-) ]
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Lee Anderson   LANDERSO @ NDSUVM1
From: Craig.Vaughan@p365.f342.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Craig Vaughan)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Financing Kingdoms - was Re: Pennsic Land Allocation
Keywords: money
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:08:55 GMT

In most groups, the treasurer lets the folks know what's in the bank account.
The SCA Inc. lets people see a balance sheet every year.

But no kingdom is required to publish a balance sheet or budget, and I don't
know of any which does.

If a group raises $10,000, why would they possibly want to send a chunk of
it away to a kingdom which, however underfunded, doesn't account for its
financial position to its members?

I would say keep the cash within accountable reach of the members, at the
local level or the corporate level.

Aryk
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From: salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Black Armor (was Re: safety for marshals (was: Re: Town Battle ) )
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:27:46 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

Mikjal Annarbjorn writes:
> (An aside:  Can anyone tell me why, with most of the US in a temperate
> to subtopical climate, black armor is so popular?  Or does testosterone
> poisoning affect the parts of the brain controlling common sense?)

Around here, most of the fighters who wear black are either members of House
Elandris or wish they were.  I don't think the founder, _Baroness_ Morgan
Elandris has testosterone poisoning. ;-) ;-) ;-)

                                                       - Dagonell

"I qualified and went to war, and there we had such fun.  
 You can't know just how it feels, black armor in the sun.
 We marched 'til sweat ran down our backs, got resurrected twice.
 Oh Pennsic ain't no picnic boys, but winnin' sure feels nice."
                                                   _Spearmaid's Lament_
                                              by Mistress Arianna of Wynthrope   
SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr
Habitat	    : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony
Disclaimer  : A society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.
Internet    : salley@niktow.cs.canisius.edu
USnail-net  : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029
From: jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Quiet Hours Enforcement
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:41:46 GMT
Followup-To: rec.org.sca
Organization: The Rialto

Greetings, all, from Angharad Ver' Rhuawn.  On the enforcement of
quiet hours at Pennsic, Dur writes,

>If you did not avail yourself of the autocrat's staff (who would have probably 
>enforced the rule if you had but asked), then you have no reason to complain 
>about it now.

On the whole, I agree with his point that the way to deal with noise is
to talk to your neighbors in a friendly way.  I also agree that complaints
at lack of enforcement are inappropriate unless you have made those entrusted
with enforcement aware of the problem.  But I'm not sure I like the apparent
presupposition that we should be relying primarily on the efforts of the 
autocrat (and security) to compel compliance.

In particular, from what I could tell, reporting noise problems this Pennsic
worked _provided_ that your problem was your neighbors.  The main difficulties 
I noticed with nighttime noise at this Pennsic came in three flavors, none of 
which had anything to do with our near neighbors.

(1)  Distant but _very_ noisy encampments.  Sometimes you could only tell
that the loud, drunken singing came from "down there somewhere."  You can't
easily work this out with your neighbors or report it to the autocrat's staff 
(though when it got really bad, we did speak quietly to some of the people 
with security, and the following night, things were much better).

(2)  Baying at the moon: it carries for _long_ distances.  The fourth or
fifth time you are wakened by such antics at hours past 2 and 3 am, it's
way past any kind of old; but what do you say, and to whom, and exactly
what are they going to do about it?  Unless the offender bays immediately
in front of a patrol, s/he will be long gone by the time enforcement
arrives.

(3)  Groups on the move: we camped on the corner by the new bathhouse,
at the bottom of Runestone Field.  I was wakened at least two or three
times a night by people on their way from party to party.  Again, what is
one to do about this at 4 AM?

Security cannot be everywhere.  The autocrats cannot be everywhere.  In
any case, I don't see why they should be responsible for our own or other 
people's behavior.  The assumption that no one will behave unless we have 
what amounts to a private police force to make them do so is, I think, a 
self-fulfilling prophecy.

Rather than appeal to enforcement, I would like to see some social pressure
applied toward requiring that people observe minimal consideration.  This
might include having the various royalty point out, in their own perons
and through their representatives and our various communication channels, 
that we _expect_ courteous behavior -- which includes not waking people up 
gratuitously because you feel like howling, and so on -- and that people
who engage in such activities will be considered by all around them to be 
rude, crude, and socially unacceptable.  Party lovers are welcome: party 
_animals_ are not.

Cheers,

-- Angharad
From: mfy@sli.COM (Mike Yoder)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Aragonese fealty
Date: 9 Sep 92 03:41:13 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Thanks to Greg for the information... I was the perpetrator of the quote, but
had started using it infrequently because of nervousness over single-sourcing.

As Samuel said, rats.

    Franz Joder von Joderhuebel (Michael F. Yoder) [mfy%sli@uunet.uu.net]

The soul's Rialto hath its merchandise.
-- Elizabeth Barrett Browning, _Sonnets From the Portuguese_, sonnet XIX.
-- For this one, I have a copy of the book!
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From: leeu@nobeltech.se (Leif Euren)
Subject: SCA in the Los Angeles area
Organization: NobelTech AB
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:56:58 GMT


A friend of mine is going to Hollywood this fall, to study there for
one year, and wonders if there are any SCA group in the vicinity.

Please e-mail information on addresses and telephone numbers to me.

	your humble servant
	Peder Klingrode


  Herr Peder Klingrode                    | Leif Euren    Stockholm, Sweden
  Holmgard, Nordmark, Drachenwald, East   | leeu@nobeltech.se

    NOTE: All opinions are my own, even if my employer claims otherwise!
From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Arrow number Two ...
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 08:30:24

    Tibor wrote:

 MS> I'll be damned.  Tadhg had a damn good idea.

 Happens every now and then....

 MS> That's it!  Good Pagan Gentles, pick a symbol, hopefully one that is
 MS> not already in use in the SCA, and adopt is a symbol for SCAdian's
 MS> who practice Paganism.  Put it on your armory, maybe name a newsletter
 MS> after it, and work together.

 Tell you what: I have a registered badge "On a roundel barry wavy argent
 and azure three bezants", the pun in which will be obvious to any herald.
 I don't use it, and have been thinking of releasing it. It's a
 nice-looking badge, easily drawn and recognizable, I just don't need it.

 Any "pagan" who wants to start a household to do for pagans what the Blue
 Feather people are doing for their constituency, e-mail me and we can
 arrange for a transfer.

 In fact, I have another registered badge, "An abacus sable", that I am
 willing to make available on the same terms. (When asked, you can say that
 it means "Hey, we count too!", or Something Meaningful like that....)

    Tadhg, Obelisk

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From: PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: History vs. dreams (Was: consort gender)
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:05:37 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee

In article <ewright.716150758@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
>Path: utkux1.utk.edu!utkcs2!gatech!darwin.sura.net!convex!convex!ewright
>From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
>Subject: Re: History vs. dreams (Was: consort gender)
>Sender: usenet@news.eng.convex.com (news access account)
>Message-ID: <ewright.716150758@convex.convex.com>
>Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:45:58 GMT
>References: <1992Sep9.134414.23156@access.digex.com> <1992Sep6.195201.8461@odin.diku.dk> <1992Aug25.165840.13021@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> <18jaanINN7a@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <18m0ieINNei9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
>Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.convex.com
>Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
>X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
>              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
>              not necessarily those of CONVEX.
>Lines: 14
>Mikjal Annarbjorn Michael A. Chance writes:
>
>>The reference to Glinda was purely alluding to the movie "The Wizard of
>>Oz".  It was meant to indicate an "dream" that included flying monkeys,
>>Munchkins, talking pest-control devices, lady magicians who melt in
>>washwater, and electrified, red-glitter dance shoes.  
>
>Red-glitter dance shows?  That's what you get for relying
>on a secondary source!  Dorothy's slippers were *silver*,
>not ruby, no matter what That Movie may have led you to
>believe.
>
Cinematic Trivia For The Day:

The Wizard of Oz was the first major motion picture to be shot in 
Technicolor, and the Silver Slippers became Ruby Slippers to take advantage 
of the contrasts that the Technicolor process was able to provide.

-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: Inflammatory rhetoric
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 21:16:45 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!  I wrote:

> It is the "authenticity police" myth, that the people interested in
> authentic re-creation are somehow going to "force out" people interested
> in a freer adaptation of medieval ideas.  It simply isn't true.

T. Archer replied:

> I have seen filk-singers cat-called down at revel and turned away 
> from bardic circles.

It is hard to evaluate this sort of anecdotal evidence: What sort of revel
or circle was it?  Was there a stated or unstated rule that only authentic
pieces would be performed?  If so, turning someone away politely would be
entirely appropriate, would it not?  If I allow you the courtesy of playing
your game, surely you should also allow me the courtesy of playing my game?
Even cat-calls can be appropriate; it depends on what sort of party you're
at.  

This brushes on another interesting point: Are the members of an audience
obliged to listen to a song that they don't enjoy?  What can you do when
someone starts to sing a song that is totally inappropriate to the
occasion, or downright rude, or simply very poorly performed?  Is it wrong
for the host to ask the performer to stop?  Doesn't he owe that to his
other guests?

> Here on the Rialto bridge, alone, I have heard such comments as "filk has
> no place in the Society,"  "'Wars' are not period wars, but period
> tourneys, and since combat archery is not period for tournaments, we
> should have no combat archer in our wars," and my personal favorite, "if
> you're not going to play the game right, don't play it at all."

The first, as I recall, was clearly a statement of opinion.  While it may
not have said so outright, we can all avoid a great deal of strife by
liberally adding the tacit "It is my opinion that..." and "I think the SCA
would be best if..." where it belongs.  It isn't an attack unless you
perceive it as such, and someone else's opinion only threatens you if you
let it.

The second, as it happens, is wrong: There were archers in early
tournaments.  But that is not the point: Again, the crucial part of the
statement clearly contains a tacit "it is my opinion that..."

That last was rude and inappropriate, beyond a doubt.  Alas, rudeness is
found both among authenticists and adaptionists.  I am sure you agree that
doesn't justify more rudeness.

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re:  Pennsic Security
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:02:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.211608.14784@pbhya.PacBell.COM> whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>Just something to take under consideration when thinking about hiring
>security for some or all of Pennsic . . .  Doing so implies that you
>think they'll supply some specified level of security.  Given the
>litigious nature of the US, are you sure you want to imply to *anyone*
>that anything is secure?
>
>	--Hal

Or worse, do we want to imply to the mudane authorities that we need that
much securing? That we are incapable of taking care of our own minor problems?
We should remember that Pennsic Security does not have the same authority
or legal abilities as the mundane authorities, and that includes professional
security agencies that are not the local or state police. Then again, the
problems that we have seen discussed are primarily noise pollution, and
mundane pollution (ie. cars on site, etc.). Angharad has the right of it when 
she states that *we* are responsible for helping Pennsic Security to maintain
a peaceful coexistence of diverse peoples at Pennsic. That responsibility
boils down to simple Courtesy by the individuals guilty of these disruptions
in our dream/fantasy/reenactment. As for the rest of the responsibility, it
lies with those whose first reaction is to get tough and call Security into
a matter that, as others have stated, can be cleared up by simply talking
with your neighbors. It lies with all of us. We are reasoning creatures. Is
it unreasonable to ask that we be reasonable with each other?

In service,

Corun
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: Same-sex consorts, homophobia, fun mavins, etc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:37:24 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!  Nicholas wrote:

> Now, what you are asking for in this case is permission to do
> something within the SCA that was not done in period -- something
> "blatantly mudane," in the language of Kingdom law and Corpora.

I'm not sure what you had in mind, Nicholas, but the word "mundane" appears
nowhere in Corpora (quite deliberately).  Neither does the word "blatant".
Corpora contains no prohibition on "blatantly mundane" things at events, in
those words or in any other.

Gentles, please be careful what you attribute to Corpora and to law: An
awful lot of the things popularlt believed to be in Corpora are not.  Read
it sometime; I still learn something new every time I do.

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Black Armor 
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:26:34

 DS> Mikjal Annarbjorn writes:
> (An aside:  Can anyone tell me why, with most of the US in a temperate
> to subtopical climate, black armor is so popular?  Or does testosterone
> poisoning affect the parts of the brain controlling common sense?)

 ...in Ansteorra, we see lots of black armor, both in broadsword and in rapier  combat.  I think they're crazy. Of course, anyone who'd fight in 100+ degrees  (120 degree Heat Index) HAS to be insane.  That's why my armor is buff- coloured...!!!

 Vashti
.


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Subject: Question about membership
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:58:18

MS> I am of the belief (meaning, I cannot cite the actual rules themselves)
MS> that the Administrative Handbook states that one is a member in the
MS> group where one physically resides, based upon zip-code.  It is not
MS> uncommon, however, for people to receive their newsletters and
MS> membership cards in the mail at a friend's house in the area they
MS> want to join, or to rent a post office box in the appropriate zip-code.

Does anyone know if this rule actually exists?  Or at what level it applies (kingdom, baroney, shire)?  As I recall, the registration form asked me what group I was a member of (Steppes, Ansteorra), and no one argued with me, although I have been told that there is a shire in the county where I live.

                              Caitlin, Steppes, Ansteorra


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