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From: zazula@pri.com (Ralph Zazula)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: VirtSpace (mini -review)
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:28:41 GMT
Reply-To: zazula@pri.com
Distribution: world,local

Hi -

In article <1992Oct3.203400.5015@stb.info.com>  writes:
> asd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Doug McClure) writes:
> > [ talking about VirtSpace, and improvments in the newest version ]
> >- Active Apps When Clicked:  You can activate an application by
> >clicking on it's window representation in the VirtSpace window.
> >
> >- Bring to Front:  similar to above, you can bring windows to the
> >front via the VirtSpace window.
> >
> >- Auto Scrolling:  VS sets up windows on the borders of th screen.
> >When you put the mouse all the way to a border, the window detects it,
> 
> This might mean big trouble.
> 
> Can I just move windows without rearranging them? (Which I currently use
> VirtSpace for a lot). What if I need to move to the right or left edge to
> click on something, such as a scrollbar? (ditto for bottom). Or if I'm moving
> a window along the edge of the screen?
> 
> These are nice ideas, but I'd be worried about the details.
> -- 

You can still do all of the things you have been doing with the previous  
version of VirtSpace.  Each of these new features has a preference option to  
enable/disable it.  So, if you don't want windows brought to front when you  
click them in the VS view, just disable the preference.  Also, the  
auto-scrolling is activated when the mouse cursor enters the very last pixel in  
any dimension - so, you won't have any trouble accessing things on the screen  
while when they are actiavted.

Hope this helps,
Ralph
---
Ralph Zazula
Pinnacle Research, Inc.
zazula@pri.com (NeXT Mail)
(602)529-1135
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0
Keywords: performance, 3.0
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 19:59:36 GMT


In article <5181@rosie.NeXT.COM> Brian_Pinkerton@next.com
(Brian Pinkerton) writes:

>Finally, let me say that constructive, well informed
>suggestions are listened to here at NeXT.  There's a lot we
>can do to improve performance in 3.0, and we'd love to hear
>your ideas.

As it happens, this fellow is from Madison and I know him.
I can't imagine his saying anything other than what he
means, so I think the thing to do here is take him at his
word, remembering that he's just one person of many
involved.

My only comment would be that "constructive" and "well informed"
should probably be interpreted broadly within NeXT.  Not seldom
with large and complex software systems, being well informed is
next to impossible unless one is expert in kernel operations,
device drivers, signals, sockets, and a host of other common
problems.  I realize that one of the main ideas of NeXTstep is
to address concerns of that type, but that very fact can make it
difficult to characterize a perceived problem correctly.  The
situation reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:

<> The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that
<> heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!)
<> but "That's funny ..." -- Isaac Asimov

-- 
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Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
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Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
From: aoml@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: GIS for NeXT summary
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:26:41 GMT
Organization: NIST

As far as I can tell, there are only 2 packages for the NeXT and one of them is still in development.
1.  From Dr. Mario Hilgemeier"<megatel.de!hi@megatel.de>"
a package called FLIG.  The FLIGdemo is on sonata.cc.purdue.edu
in directory pub/next/submissions   (not secure so beware)
Start FLIGdemo once to get the application info needed.

2.  From IN%"steve@deltos.com"
a package in development called GeoKit.  It should be available in Beta in the next couple of months.  Sounds like it will be a geat app.

There are some other GIS packages that are UNIX, one called GRASS, someone
else recalled compiling a PD package from UIUC (I have no idea what this stands for) on the NeXT.

For more info on GIS try the bulletin board called comp.infosystems.gis
Dr. Mark Powell  NOAA Hurricane Research Div. Miami Fl. no nextmail yet.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna)
Subject: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:10:44 GMT

In article <5800@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu writes:
>In article <2128@deadmin.ucsd.edu> bense@heart3.ucsd.edu (Booker C. Bense)  
>writes:
>] One thing I would suggest is that you build everything from scratch,
>] i.e. follow the directions for building a disk from scratch from the
>] CD. Update.app is well done, but the machine was noticably faster
>] after I rebuilt the entire filesystem.
>
>Please, where are the "directions for building a disk from scratch" from the  
>CD?  I do not see them in either of the enclosed pieces of literature that come  
>with the upgrade.

See the enclosed "RELEASE NOTES", chapter "Reinstalling NeXTSTEP
Release 3 Essentials" (p.11-14).
It is a pity, that there are no remarks included, which "M" shared with
us a few days ago (writing about better performance of newly installed
systems).

>
>--
>Douglas Scott                              (805)893-8352
>Center for Computer Music Research and Composition
>University of California, Santa Barbara
>Internet: (NeXTMail ok)   <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>


		-Z.
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: File Viewer gets confused
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:14:38 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Sep28.024009.14846@redbaron.uucp> deepthought!redbaron!aaronh@ms.uky.edu writes:
> A lot of times I will hide the file viewer, work in an app for a while and  
> when I quit the app, the file viewer is there, but I can't access it  [...]
> I am running 2.2 on a Turbo Mono slab.

This happened to me fairly regularly on the same type of system.
Since upgrading to 3.0, the problem has not reocurred in about
a week of use. It looks like it may be fixed in 3.0
-- 
---------------------------------------------------
Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu   NeXT mail accepted
From: adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Adrian Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Truth: what is it? (was: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0)
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:08:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: kakwa.1992Oct3.180849.9395
Reply-To: adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

In article <2151@dutiws.tudelft.nl> dimitri@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Dimitri  
Tischenko) writes:
 
> Well, !Truth==lie is certainly not true (pun intended!). Because the
> question "what is truth" is sometimes impossible to answer. For
> example: "There exists another life besides the one on earth" is
> this a truth? is this a lie? Maybe it can be both or none?
> 

I agree. Ever do any prolog programming? If a consequence cannot be  
obtained from an information base through the use of inference rules, that  
does not make the consequence false. It may mean that your database didn't  
contain the necessary information to obtain the consequence.

What, if anything, does this have to do with 3.0?

---
Adrian Smith
University of Alberta NeXT Campus Consultant
adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca
Audix: 5482
 
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From: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Subject: Next software retailer?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:11:18 GMT


HeLLO:

Are there any software retailers which carry
next software which are not mail order arrangements?

i.e.  someplace where you can actually walk in and
see NeXT versions of software on display??

Anyplace in NewJersey??

(This is unlikely, but I it never hurts to ask.)

Thanks,
Keith

P.S. If  the answer to the above questions is NO,
are there any plans for this type of arrangement
to be made?????
From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Mouse pointer for NeXT
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:17:59 GMT
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct6.130417.12460@n1.nsf.gov> thermans@n1.nsf.gov (Tim Hermans) writes:
>I'm looking for something to improve the visibility of my mouse pointer. The  
>darn thing is so small I have to wave it around on the screen for 15 minutes  
>before I pick it up. And no cracks about my eyesight either :-)
>
>--
>* Tim Hermans			      |	Address: thermans@nsf.gov
>* Electronic Mail Administrator	      |	Phone:   (202)357-7768
>* National Science Foundation	      |	
>* 1800 G. St. N.W. Washington DC 20550|	

Yes, I have complained about the tiny cursor 15 month ago, and NeXT accepted
it as an "item to improve".

In the mean time I enable the right mouse button in Preferences, and then
pressing on the right button causes the Menu to pop out.
It is BIG ENOUGH.

But it is really a shame on NeXT.	:(

		-Z.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: lazar@enel.ucalgary.ca (Michael Lazar)
Subject: Re: How's Framemaker 3.0 under NeXTstep 3.0?
Summary: Possible Bug? 
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 21:41:20 GMT
Organization: ECE Department, U. of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta, Canada

In article <1992Oct2.161257.29008@leland.Stanford.EDU> mcarling@NetForce.com (M Carling) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.125802.5564@stc.nato.int> koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton  
>Koelman) writes:
>> 
>> Subject line says it. Any problems?
>
>So long as you have an ample sufficiency of memory, Frame works as well as  
>it does under 2.1.
>
	We have found that some documents do not print properly in NeXTStep 3.0.
We have two machines sharing the same printer, one is an old upgraded
cube running 2.1 (the print server), another is a Turbo Colour upgraded to 3.0. 
	Using the same version of FrameMaker (3.0.1), documents formatted for
Legal sized paper (in landscape mode) print properly under NS2.1, but  
under NS3.0, are shifted over so that in about a third of the page is missing.
Both are sent using the manual feed option.
	We're not sure if it's a problem because of the two different versions, 
or if something is just broken in NS3.0. Could someone please confirm.

michael lazar
lazar@enel.ucalgary.ca
From: paul@nextus.tucson.az.us (Paul Tognato-Haddad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Apple IIe emulator for the NeXT
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:06:51 GMT
Distribution: world,local

I'm taking a class in beginning assembly language using Apple IIe's.  I'd  
like to be able to write assembly programs on my NeXT, so does anyone know  
of any type of emulator that would allow me to do this?

--
Paul  (NeXT Mail preferred)

Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no  
account be allowed to do the job.
-- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"
From: dimitri@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Dimitri Tischenko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Truth: what is it? (was: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0)
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:20:03 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology

In article <1992Oct5.215506.656@mwhhlaw.uucp> bob@mwhhlaw.com writes:
>(Dimitri Tischenko) writes:
>> For example: "There exists another life besides
>> the one on earth" is this a truth? is this a lie?
>> Maybe it can be both or none?
>
>Whoa.  Dimitri is confusing knowledge with fact.  That 2+2=4 is a true  
>fact.  The fact that my 3 year old doesn't know that fact doesn't make  
>it a lie for him.

Maybe the "another life" example is not very good. But the point is,
how can one determine that I'm lying? Maybe I believe that what I say is
the truth? (yes, I know, the word "lie" is defined in various
vays...).
Truth *can* be defined in terms of (observable) "facts", but then you can 
tell the truth value of very few statements (i.e. 2+2=4 is not true, 
because it is not an observable fact, because the symbol '=' is an 
abstraction and not an observable entity in our world).
Truth *can* also be defined in terms of knowledge, but then, everyone has
his or her own truth depending on formal system and belief.

>
>Another life besides the one here on earth either exists or it does not  
>exist.  The state of our knowledge about the subject doesn't alter it  
>as either a true or false fact.

Yes, perhaps, but *is* it a lie or not? That's the point.
In my opinion, your point of view merely means that you are a scientific 
realist, not that you posess the objectively right way of viewing the world.
What about "There is God" or "There are *really* electrons"?
Don't you think that the truth or falsehood of these statements are
subject to interpretation? Do you *know* for *fact* (i.e. can you see)
that there are electrons?

By the way, even if there exists truth which is independent of the human 
mind, !truth==lie remains to be an untrue statement. Then, its simply
!true==false.

[stuff deleted]
>-- 
>Bob Hartley
>MARTIN, WADE, HARTLEY & HOLLINGSWORTH
>P. O. Box 88676
>3590 N. Meridian St.

Dimitri

P.S. I don't want to go on with this subject on the net. If someone
wishes to continue this debate, he or she is encouraged to do so by
E-(NeXT?)-mail.
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From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: How's Framemaker 3.0 under NeXTstep 3.0?
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:07:22 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.

In article <1992Oct2.161257.29008@leland.Stanford.EDU> m@crito.stanford.edu (M  
Carling) writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.125802.5564@stc.nato.int> koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton  
> Koelman) writes:
> > 
> > Subject line says it. Any problems?
> 
> So long as you have an ample sufficiency of memory, Frame works as well as  
> it does under 2.1.
> 
> M Carling
> Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
> General Manager, NetForce Inc.
> --
> "High tech is potent, precise, and in the end, unbeatable. The truth is,  
> it reminds a lot of people of the way I pitch horseshoes. Would you  
> believe some of the people? Would you believe our dog? Look, I want to  
> give the high-five signal to high tech."
>                           George Bush, 4/25/89

Except that is runs noticeably slower.

Jim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: brianc@dc_scom (Brian Caslis @ SST)
Subject: 3.0 Questions and Info
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 19:44:11 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: nextstep stuart info
Followup-To: 

I've just intalled NeXTSTEP 3.0 on a NeXTstation Color and have noticed
two interesting things. After a while I started having the floppy disk
eject problems that many are reporting. After some detective work it 
turned out that Stuart 2.4 was causing the problem, but only if I
autolaunched it. The second thing I've noticed is that KPerfMon
autolaunches fine, but after a few minutes it just stops. If I
relaunch it, everything is just fine.

BTW just to let inquiring minds know, both the Sun CD-ROM drive
(Sony Mechanism) and the HP CD-ROM drive (Toshiba Mechanism)
worked just fine with both the NeXTSTEP 3.0 CD and with audio
CDs.

-- 
Brian Caslis		* Email: brianc@pdx.mentorg.com
Mentor Graphics Corp.	* 
8005 S.W. Boeckman Road	* Phone: (503)685-1404
Wilsonville, OR  97070	* Fax:   (503)685-1268
From: arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: NeXTstep 3.0 - communicae problems?
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:07:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.184229.20099@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
(Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> communicae doesn't seem to work under 3.0 - it just dies right after  
>launching.


You need to order an upgrade from Active Ingredients, 617/576-2000.

--
Mr. Noam Arzt                            215/898-3029 (voice)
Director, Special Projects               215/898-9348 (FAX)
University of Pennsylvania               arzt@dccs.upenn.edu
Data Communications & Computing Services (NeXTmail is OK)
Suite 221A, 3401 Walnut Street, Philadelphia, PA 19104
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: tlm@iastate.edu (Dr. T.L. Marchioro II)
Subject: Re: Section headers in Mathematica.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:20:48 GMT

In <1992Oct1.132335.24047@wri.com> markm@wri.com writes:

>In article <1992Oct1.034821.6501@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
>spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes:
>> Anthony Berno writes
>> > Is there an easier way, preferably with a keystroke,
>> > to automatically place a section cell into a notebook,
>> > or to convert an input cell to a section cell?
>> > 
>> From the format menu, choose show ruler.  One of the things on the  
>> ruler is a pop-up dispenser of styles.  Just place your cursor where  
>> you want the start the new cell, pick the style you want from the  
>> pop-up list, and keep going.
>> 

>You can also use Command-1 through Command-9 to change the cell style.  These  
>Command-keys will yield:

>	Cmd-1	Title
>	Cmd-2	Subtitle
>	Cmd-3	Subsubtitle
>	Cmd-4	Section
>	Cmd-5	Subsection
>	Cmd-6	Subsubsection
>	Cmd-7	Text
>	Cmd-8	Small Text
>	Cmd-9	Input

>Hope this helps.

>--Mark Moline
>Wolfram Research, Inc.
>markm@wri.com
Incidentally, all of this is very clearly described in the "NeXT specific"
documentation for Mathematica which you can get from WRI for $25. You
get a guide to the kernel, a guide to the front end, a list of the 
packages, and a list of what all the error messages mean, plus a 
few other tidbits.  It's well worth the price if you're planning to
use Mma much, and REALLY worth it if you want to do anything fancy in
the notebooks, which, now that there are TeXview services and I have
some PS math fonts, I really want to do.  I would not suggest buying
Wolfram's book directly from WRI as you can usually get it a little 
cheaper from a bookstore, but the NeXT documentation package is a must.

Hope this Helps as well!

Tom

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: blackewj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (William J Blackert)
Subject: Hepl with Lotus IMPROV
Keywords: IMPROV
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:22:21 GMT


Here is one for all of you IMPROV guru's out there.  I'm working on a  
problem in which I need to do iterations on a grid of numbers.  The  
iteration works like this (assuming a x-y coordinate system)
	val(x,y) = .25*(val(x-1,y) + val(x+1,y) + val(x,y-1) + val(x,y+1))
With any other spreadsheet I would have just entered this formula in one  
cell and then replicated them around the sheet (except for the border
values which are set initially).  The glitch is the only spreadsheet I 
have personal access to is IMPROV.  I attempted to use NEXT, PREV and THIS  
to referece the cells around the current one but apparenty IMPROV won't  
allow for using a NEXT and PREV in the same formula.  
	So here comes the question... does anyone have any ideas how to do  
what I want to do (short of writting an individual formula for each cell  
that needs to be computed (which I'm willing to do, it's a small enough  
grid but would rather not))?  Thanks for any input, please send me e-mail  
and I'll post a summary of anything that works.

	Bill Blackert
	blackewj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
	Rose-Hulman Institute of Tech.
	NeXTMail Welcome and encouraged!
From: aozer@next.com (Ali Ozer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Floppy icon/Window promotion
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:12:28 GMT
Organization: Next Computer, Inc.

In article <BvK63p.FxL@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Todd A Green writes:
> ... the file /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/floppy.tiff contains 
>a 24bit image whereas all other (workspace related) tiffs (that I've looked
>at) only use 12bit tiffs (well plus the 2bit image)?  Wouldn't this
>(unnecessarily) promote the window's depth to 24bits?  (Or is the max
>depth coded to 12bits for FileViewers?)

By default, a 24-bit image will promote windows to 24 bits only on a 24 bit
system (such as the ND). Of course, apps can override this behavior; in fact, 
as you point out, Workspace limits the depth of its file viewer windows 
to 12 bits. 

I can't think of any good reason why the floppy image is 24 bits. Probably
an oversight.

Note that although Workspace does limit the depth limit of its windows, 
this does not mean applications should do the same. Most applications do not
need to change the depth limits of their windows. The built-in promotion
scheme does the right thing.

Ali, Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com




Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: uunet!mwhhlaw!bob (Robert L. Hartley Jr.)
Subject: Re: Truth: what is it? (was: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0)
Reply-To: bob@mwhhlaw.com
Organization: Martin Wade Hartley & Hollingsworth
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:55:06 GMT

(Dimitri Tischenko) writes:
> For example: "There exists another life besides
> the one on earth" is this a truth? is this a lie?
> Maybe it can be both or none?

Whoa.  Dimitri is confusing knowledge with fact.  That 2+2=4 is a true  
fact.  The fact that my 3 year old doesn't know that fact doesn't make  
it a lie for him.

Another life besides the one here on earth either exists or it does not  
exist.  The state of our knowledge about the subject doesn't alter it  
as either a true or false fact.

"Truth" is often conversationally applied to facts (as I have done  
above "2+2=4 is a true fact"), but we also use it to refer to beliefs.
We must be very careful when someone says something is the truth, to  
understand whether they are talking about fact or belief.  And, of  
course, there are those who never made it through sophmore philosophy  
and think that fact and belief cannot be distinguished.

   
-- 
Bob Hartley
MARTIN, WADE, HARTLEY & HOLLINGSWORTH
P. O. Box 88676
3590 N. Meridian St.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: markm@wri.com
Subject: Re: Section headers in Mathematica.
Reply-To: markm@wri.com
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:23:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.034821.6501@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes:
> Anthony Berno writes
> > Is there an easier way, preferably with a keystroke,
> > to automatically place a section cell into a notebook,
> > or to convert an input cell to a section cell?
> > 
> From the format menu, choose show ruler.  One of the things on the  
> ruler is a pop-up dispenser of styles.  Just place your cursor where  
> you want the start the new cell, pick the style you want from the  
> pop-up list, and keep going.
> 

You can also use Command-1 through Command-9 to change the cell style.  These  
Command-keys will yield:

	Cmd-1	Title
	Cmd-2	Subtitle
	Cmd-3	Subsubtitle
	Cmd-4	Section
	Cmd-5	Subsection
	Cmd-6	Subsubsection
	Cmd-7	Text
	Cmd-8	Small Text
	Cmd-9	Input

Hope this helps.

--Mark Moline
Wolfram Research, Inc.
markm@wri.com
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