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From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Rottweiler puppy
Date: 13 Apr 1992 15:57:07 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu
Summary: The search is over (I hope!)
Keywords: puppy Rottweilerr

Well, it is now unofficial!  I talked to Patricia Hickman-Clark of
Northwind fame yesterday, and she agreed to sell me a puppy.  She
currently has a litter of 3 dogs and 2 bitches on the ground, and she
agreed to sell me one of the dogs.  Two of the males are larger than
the third one, and she thinks the smaller one may actually end up
being the most correct of the lot.  At this point, she says they ave
very close in temperament.  She is keeping a male out of the litter
and one of the females is going to Canada.  She already has more
requests for puppies than she has puppies, so she is not sure who is
going to get the remaining ones.

Interestingly enough, she selected me because I was not a serious
conformation person.  She wants homes for her dogs where they will be
loved and cared for first and foremost.  If I never show the puppy
that is fine with her, and if the dog ends up being a V-1 rated,
SchIII, UD champion, that is fine with her too, as long as the dog is
well cared for and happy.

Several things were very interesting as I was talking to Pat.  First,
it was very hard for her to stop talking about her dogs.  We talked
almost 45 minutes in our first conversation!  Second, she would not
ship me a puppy.  She insisted that she meet me before she I could
have one of her puppies.  She would accept a deposit from me, but she
would not guarantee me a sale until she met me.  Next, I asked if she
would refund my deposit if for some reason I did not like the
puppies, and she agreed to do that too.  She seemed very concerned
that her puppy got a good home, and she also seemed very concerned
that we were satisfied with her puppy.  

The pups were whelped 3/12/92, and the current plans are for me to go
down to get the puppy the first weekend in May.  
--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
From: rbeltz@zodanga.mitre.org (Randy Beltz)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Field Spaniel
Keywords: Field Spaniel
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:15:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 10730


 I would like to find out if anyone out there in Usenet land owns a
Field Spaniel.  It is a rare breed (about 30 litters/year) and is just
making a come back in this country.

I have one (name: Wicksford Colby-No!, age:14 months) and have been very
impressed with his performance in the field (I hunt!!).

I would like to hear from any other Field Spaniels, or from those who wishmore information on this breed. 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig)
Subject: Re: Dogs Have Souls, Don't They?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:46:08 GMT

(We're having systems problems here, so I can't use the reply feature
of my newsreader.  Therefore I'll just have to preface Jon's comments.)

Jon says, in reply to my note:

Sue, you have missed the point of our criticisms.  If Chris had said "I don't
believe that dogs have souls because..." nobody would have gotten upset, even
if he had gone on to say "...I am a fundamentalist Christian and believe
that..."


To which I reply:

No, Jon, I didn't miss the point of your criticism.  And I'm not
saying you shouldn't be offended, or that you have no right to flame
the guy.  I mainly wanted to point out that because Chris didn't
continue in the debate, it didn't turn out to be a major uproar, so to
me that's something to be said in his favor.  

But this still isn't about dogs.  My apologies to the readers of
rec.pets.dogs for causing even more postings on this thread.  I
should've just stayed out of it and let it die a natural death.  Next
time a similar situation comes up, I will try to exercise better
judgement.


As an aside, later Jon says:

To tell the truth, I'd be very interested in hearing what a Lakota thinks
about whether dogs have souls.  I would be surprised if the answer was
anything other than "yes"...  If there are any Native Americans reading,
please speak up.


To which I reply:

Well, check out the Dog World series.  They're talking with a Lokata
"holy man" (for lack of a better phrase - can't call them preachers, I guess).



Sue Utter Honig
honig@cs.cornell.edu
From: sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov (Susan B. Sinnott)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: why pekingese
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:30:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr14.213017.27108
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <kumi62INN6gd@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> Fuzzy@colonel.Corp.Sun.COM (Michael Shames/Contractor) writes:
>In article <rqhpsINN1ka@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull) writes:
>>X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>>"That would be the last lunch your dog ever ate!" and stormed away. 
>>I learned my lesson.  No more 'lunch' jokes unless the person knows me
>>and my dog.  BTW: Bear has lived through a Sheltie puppy, a Basset
>>puppy and a Border Collie/Great Pyreneese puppy, and not a one of them
>>has ever been injured by him in any way.  He had not even raised a lip
>>at this obnoxious little dog and the MinPin was the one that approached
>>us, but still the owner was furious.  
>
>
>	and the moral of that story :
>
>	it is a known fact/adage that dogs and their owners tend to resemble
>	each other.
>	it is a known fact that small dogs just aren't as smart as big dogs
>	(not as much room for brains).
>	therefore it is reasonable to assume that small dog owners just
>	aren't as smart as large dog owners.
>		my staffie terrier is 70 lbs and smart enough to open
>	and close a refrigerator on his own.
>	the last time a small dog bothered him, he held it down with a paw
>	until i rescued him.
>		mike shames

So, the Newfie, St. Bernard, and Irish Wolfhound et. al. owners (dogs that 
weigh more like 170 lb than 70 lb) are MUCH, MUCH smarter than you, eh, Mike?
Yes, I take offence at the argument that small dogs are dumb, especially 
since my 6 lb. mix did better at obedience than one golden, one huskey and 
a brittny (just in case you are wondering, the dogs that did better than
mine were one golden and one rotti).


Susan Sinnott
sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov
From: JJB6@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Strange eating habits
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:02:48 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Do all dogs eat strange things or is it just mine???  I have a 3 yr old dog
who is a husky mix.  I've had him since he was a puppy and over the last 2 yrs
he has started eating strange things.  Ever since he was little, he would go
around to the trash cans and get tissues out and tear them up and eat them.
We've tried to tell him no and have even punished him for doing it, but now
he is very sneaky and waits until we leave the room.

As he's gotten older, his eating habits have gotten stranger.  He now eats
telephone books (well not the whole book, but he tears them up and chews
pages out of them).  A few months ago, he took a book (actually, it was the
book Scarlett) of the couch, took the cover off (he barely touched it at all)
and ate the binding completely off the book.

He sticks his nose in everything.  He has even gotten into my father's hunting
equipment, took a bag out of the duffle bag and eaten the B-B's.  Most of the
things he eats are not out in the open where he can get to them.  He usually
has to climb up on the furniture or dig through bags.  We even have to put
loaves of bread out of sight or he will get up to the counter and get them
and eat them.

It isn't as though he doesn't have his own food.  We keep his bowl filled all
the time, but he won't eat it unless someone else is in the kitchen.  If he
does get hungary for his food, he will stand and bark at one of us until we
follow him into the kitchen and watch him eat.

Has anyone else EVER had a problem like this???

Jennifer
From: prevelig@eastman1.mit.edu (Peter Prevelige)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs Don't Have Souls, Do They??
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:47:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: eastman1.PREVELIG.92Apr12114738
Organization: Mass. Inst. of Tech., Dept. of Chemistry

On Dog Souls, from the Boston Globe, Linda Weltner w/o permission.

The End of a beautiful friendship.

Our dog Buckwheat was less than a year old when I took him for a walk.
I ran into a friend and temporarily distracted watched in horror as he
snapped his leash out of my and and dashed across the street toward
another dog. Just before he reached the safety of the other side a car
clipped him, tossing him squealing to the pavement.

I ran after him and gathered him into my arms. I held him until he
stopped shaking, then determined that he was more scared than anything
els. I took his face into my hands and gave him a good talking-to.

"Buckwheat" I said "Don't you ever do that again. I don't want
anything to happen to you I couldn't bear to lose you.

The dog took it all in - my anger, my fear, the strength of my
attachment- but gazing into his unwavering brown eyes, I was surprised
to receive a resonse. Something wise behind those eyes, something calm
and all-knowing that I have come to think of as Dog-soul, reached out
to comfort me with this message: You will always find me here.

Let me explain. I don't usually indulge in two-way conversations with
animals. I've alway been more than satisfied to have my dog be a dog,
but on this ocassion, our communication was so powerful and so
unexpected that I burst into tears. At that moment I understood that
the being I encountered in this particular dog inhabited all dogs, and
that he wanted to reassure me that he would be available to me, even
when Buckwheat died. I would find him in the next dog I took into my
heart.

Twelve years have passed since then... (She then goes on to describe
the dog becoming infirm, and how she is relieved that when the time
comes she when he can no longer enjoy life, she can mercifully end
it.) and concludes with:

It feels strange to say this but I am ecstatic with gratitude that
Buckwheat and I have this time together. If birth and death are merely
the doors that open and close upon life as it moves through time,
which is what I believe, what could be more satisfying than to
accompany my faithful companion to his point of departure?

Besides I'm not afraid of losing him.

I know where to find him again.
--
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Peter Prevelige       Though I Could Not Caution All, I Still Might Warn a Few
Dept. of Biology      Don't Lend a Hand to Raise No Flag Atop No Ship of Fools
16-534 MIT 
Cambridge, MA. 02139
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From: wagner@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Michael Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: building a kennel
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:59:12 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill


Or how about any pointers, even for less ambitious kennels.

Mike
From: walls@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: A Dog's Plea
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:26:15 CST
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

I debated sending thses, but after all the kind messages I received, I
decided to send them. First off, some of the articles pertain to religon
if you feel it offends you, well then kill it. these 2 articles pertain
to the death of an animal, but then it is a part of life. After reading
these it may make you feel better(if you contemplated putting a dog down),
and then again it may bring up past wounds. No matter waht, I love all 3
of my dogs dearly. We had a chihuahua that was very sick, little Peanut
died at home. For the longest time I couldn't even bring myself to even
go into a pet shop or our local humane society without bawling for Peanut.
Then a friend of mine said, "You know, you should really reconsider getting
another dog". "Why is that, I said. "Because getting another dog is by no
means wrong. It's letting yourself know that life would not be the same
unless you had another little pal, and life would not be complete until
you got another one. After that, we purchase our Snuggles and Bucky.
I'm so glad I listened to my friend. So, Peanut, this one;s dedicated
to you. Thanks for all the love and joy you brought us.


                  A Dog's Plea

Treat me kindly, my beloved friend, for no heart in all the world is more
grateful for kindness than the loving heart of me.

Do not break my spirit with a stick, for though I might lick your hand
between blows, your patience and understanding will more quickly teach me
the things you would have me learn.

Speak to me often, for your voice is the world's sweetest music, as you
must know by the fierce wagging of my tail when your footstep falls upon
my waiting ear.

Please take me inside when it is cold and wet, for I am a domesticated
animal, no longer accustomed to bitter elements. I ask no greater glory 
than the privilege of sitting at your feet beside the hearth.

Keep my pan filled with freash water, for I cannot tell you when I suffer
thirst.

Feed me clean food that I may stay well, to romp and play and do your
bidding, to walk by your side and stand ready , willing, and able to
protect you with my life should your life be in danger.

And, my friend, when I am very old, and I no longer enjoy good health,
hearing and sight, do not make heroic efforts to keep me going. I am not
having any fun.  Please see that my trusting life is taken gently. I shall
leave this earth knowing with the last breath I draw that my fate was always
safest in your hands.


This was written by someone who sent this articel to Ann Landers. I did
not choose the title, nor did I alter it in any way.
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: building a kennel
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:35:05 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

<1992Apr2.230436.2774@news.iastate.edu> <1408@heurikon.heurikon.com>
<1992Apr9.133734.24717@b11.ingr.com>
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <1992Apr9.133734.24717@b11.ingr.com> bbrown@b11.ingr.com (Bailey
Brown) writes:
>I need plans for building a 30'x10' concrete floored fully enclosed kennel.
>
>What I need is pointers to books or articles that detail how to build such a
>structure.  I want to have a pro lay the pad, and do the rest myself.
>
>BTW, the dog will be in the kennel only when I am not at home.

Bailey, you may want to order The Mason Company's brochure on Modular Kennel
Systems. No chrge, just call 1-800-543-5567. Mason pre-built chain-link
kennels are the best in the industry. Their brochure will give you lots of
ideas for laying out your run, ideas for shelter, etc.
From experience, I suggest your concrete pad slope for drainage, but be
covered with 4-6 inches of washed river gravel or pea gravel to assure good
footing and development of your pup's feet and legs. Clean up of stools is
much easier with the pea gravel, the dog stays clean and, because of the slope
and drainage, he'll stay dry. An 80% sun-screen tarp over the top ( and if
necessary attached to one side) will ensure adequate shade, if the run isn't
well-shaded by trees, the house, etc.
Plastic (fiberglass) translucent panels can replace the overhead tarp in the
winter to keep off cold rain and snow.
There are a few books on kennel design, but they describe large, standalone
structures housing 10-100 dogs. Probably not what you had in mind.
..................................................................
Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfs, Tipp City, OH
-- 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mawells@galluj (Mary Ann)
Subject: Re: Heartworms
Organization: Gallaudet U.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:33:48 GMT

My Irish Setter had heartworms when he was about 7 or 8 years old.  Vet 
ran tests on liver (I think liver) to be sure no problems.  We then ok'd
the arsenic treatment.  Arsenic is given the dog 2 times a day for two 
days.  When "Sham" was brought home, vet said to be sure he got lots of
water.  It would appear that he was "dying of thirst" as though they had
not given him any but that was an effect of the arsenic.

Now that I think of it, it may have been a test for the kidneys.  Drinking
a lot of water causes the kidneys to work more (of course), thereby ridding
the dog of arsenic.

We took Sham home and he has been fine every since.  No ill effects of treatment
Your vet should be very sure your pet is in good health other than heart-
worms because I have heard the treatment is almost as bad as the worms.
Our vet also recommended to keep Sham on a continuous treatment of heart-
worm medicine as a preventative.  He is now a lively 12 year old "puppy" with
a new girlfriend.  (How a pretty lady can put the spring back in an old
man's step.)

Anyway, hope this helps and good luck.

Mary Ann
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 17:30:51 EDT
From: Elizabeth Adams <EADAMS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject:    Basenjis

I am the proud owner (for the second time in my life) of a basenji pup.
I've been reading the postings in this group and wonder if there are
other basenji fans out there.

My version of a disclaimer-- This, of course, has nothing to do with the
American University which is not responsible for me or my dog.
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Friendly dogs as Protection??
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:48:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Apr13.224817.12870
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <1992Apr13.192739.28003@acsu.buffalo.edu> berlind@acsu.buffalo.edu (heike berlind) writes:
>
>I own a Norwegian Elkhound who counts as a sled dog.  He barks at all
>strange noises.  So I guess he is a good watchdog.  However, as soon as
>someone enters our house he is the friendliest dog there is -- so he is not
>a protective dog, not yet anyways. But since people don't know that, and we
>don't publish the fact, that he is happy about anybody entering the house, I
>think we are ok for now.  :)  he sound pretty ferocious too!!
>Heike

This is interesting.  Our neigbor has a female Norwegian Elkhound that is
extremely territorial.  Really does a nice job protecting its "pack", although
I think it is a tad too agressive.  I have no experience with this particular
breed, so I am not sure if this is a "global" trait or not (being protective
that is).  Actually, once when my Malamute was a puppy, I put a paper sack 
over my head and approached the fence, just to see what he would do.  He 
growled, and even "barked" (or as close as he gets to it anyway) while RUNNING 
AWAY.  Its a good thing he is so big.  Nobody but my wife and I know what a 
cream puff he really is......:-) Anyone who has ever approached the house that 
he did not know, he greeted them like a long lost friend....Now if a prowler 
approaches with a paper bag on his head, watch out!

srlee@beta.lanl.gov
From: lorange@spot.Colorado.EDU (LORANGE HANS P)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Aggression towards my dog
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:29:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsu.1992Apr15.192902.9153
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder


I'm hopeful someone might have some ideas to share regarding my dog (Queensland
Blue Heeler) and other dogs reactions to her.  She is about two years old, was
a pound puppy and had obviously been neglected if not abused.  She is VERY
friendly towards people, watchs over our kids like a mother hen and loves to
play with the dogs belonging to our friends.

The problem - something in her triggers a tremendous sense of aggression from
other, strange dogs.  When walking down the street, other dogs will come at her
with teeth bared and go straight into a fight.  Dogs will try and get through
our fence, barking and scratching.  She will come back with as good as she gets
but she doesn't seem to be initiating these incidents (as far as we can see).

She is not submissive towards other dogs and we wondered if she somehow gave
off some kind of "signal" which triggered these responses.  She will approach
these other dogs with head up and tail wagging, almost overly friendly and then
once a fight starts, the "friendship" is quickly over.


Hans
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: davids@c3.lanl.gov (David Simmons)
Subject: Re: New Vicious Dog Story (LONG)
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:10:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.162154.12796@acsu.buffalo.edu>, riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr16.152917.7441@newshost.lanl.gov>, davids@c3.lanl.gov (David Simmons) writes...
|>   >This is reprinted without permission from the Santa Fe New Mexican.
|>   >All typos are mine.
|>   > 
|>   >CHILD LOSES EYE IN ATTACK BY DOG  TIED IN HER YARD
|>                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> This is consistent with at least one observation made previously
|> here on the net -- that most dogs that bite had been tied up or
|> chained in the yard.
|> 
|> Also, I deleted the relevant section, but did any of you notice
|> the line in the story about they fellow allowing his female
|> chow in heat to run free (though I got the impression the dog
|> was muzzled -- the bit about blood on the muzzle)?
|> 

Just to clarify:  The female was not muzzled, she had blood on her
muzzle, i.e. snout, nose, etc.  

|> Seems to me that this is just another incident that justifies
|> HUMAN-SPECIFIC legislation.  Maybe something like:
|> 
|> 	Idiots who have no dog-sense whatsoever are prohibited from
|> 	having (and thusly ruining) any dogs.
|> 
|> What say you all?
|> 

I say it sounds like a great idea.  Why should we legislate against
the dogs?  They can't vote or defend themselves against lawyers
(but who can ;-}).  Now humans--that's a different story.  Make
those that are responsible for the dog actually REPSONSIBLE.

|> Carol
|> riacmt@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu

-- 


David G. Simmons
davids@lanl.gov

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From: gms@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Suggestions on Child's pet
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:42:53 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Apr9.200546.8752@b15.b15.ingr.com>, lynn@b15.b15.ingr.com (Lynn Lee) writes:
> I have a friend who's wanted to get her son a dog.  Her son is five
> years old.
> 
> She wants a pet that can stay outside.  She wants a medium sized dog (not
> as big as a lab).  She wants to make sure that it doesn't bark alot and
> is good with children.
> 
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> 
> Lynn
> 
>  
This is not a flame, but unless the mother is going to feed, train and
supervise all the child dog interactions they do not really want a dog.
If the family wants a dog then there a plenty of hardy beasts that are
good with children but children should not be given a dog until the can
care for it correctly.

Michele
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs