From: larry@cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: ok i repent - NOT!
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:30:25 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <Btw1zJ.8AM@ecf.toronto.edu> payne@ecf.toronto.edu (PAYNE DENISE JOYCE) writes:
>
>Re Nm List. You could be right. Posting about seriously pop-ish things which
>are covered in other newsgroups and shitloads of music magazines is boring
>cause its already so covered, but its a waste of bandwidth for stuff thats
>not covered.                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^^^^
Like Skinny Puppy, right?  And nm-type music (?!) is covered in mags like
File 13, some in Option, Wire, etc.  There are other semi-obscure musics
that are covered only in similarly non-big magazines, which are _not_
discussed on nm-list.  For example, you usually won't read about African
music on nm unless it has a strong percussion element.  All I'm trying to
say is that each newsgroup/maillist has its prejudices and favorites, and
to present nm-list as some sort of unbiased survey of all new (but not
"seriously pop-ish") music is misleading.  

>I wouldnt call Beel's taste in improv a music-for-angry-young-men-thing
>either since not all improv has to be like Zorn's furious noise.

Good point.  I said there were exceptions.  %)

>As for the joke bits, I wrote them for you.

I'm touched.  And I see you added some new ones, too.  

>The grunge-drum machine thing is continuing well with HoD, God, Godflesh and
>Terminal Cheesecake and I find it quite interesting.

Hm, I thought God used a real drummer.  I may be mistaken (discs at home).
Do you really like the latest HoD release better than the older ones?!?  But
at any rate, I disagree, I think the drum-machine-grunge thing is pretty much
played out.  Bands like GF, Pitch Shifter and Scorn are a dime a dozen now.
It's so formulaic -- turn on leaden, crushing drum beats, add thick slabs of
guitar, gargle with Drano and sing.  It's as generic in its own way as F242,
FLA, etc.  BTW, I've seen plenty of interviews in mags with Godflesh, God,
HoD, etc.  So much for the "we don't discuss them on nm-list 'cause they're 
covered elsewhere" argument...

>As well, a distinction of good has to be made. I've been abusing the term.
>Good stuff can be old, cause TG and SPK sure is good, and their older
>incarnations are far better than their new, just to make a stronger point.

So you're taking back your statement about "good == new," then, or at least
watering it down heavily? %)

>All the FLA and TKK and the like is pretty derivative to my ears of what
>was around 3 or 4 years ago. Techno leaning music sounds alot more original
>tho I dont particularly like it. And YES, ALL FLA *DOES* sound the same. What's
>worse, Digital Poodle sounds like FLA, exactly. 

I agree with you there. 

>Mebbe you can come up with a serious reply this time.

I just wanted to point out the problems in your sweeping statement about 
"good means 'new'," and that you weren't making any points stronger than 
"this is what kc likes and dislikes personally."  You did that yourself in
your followup, thanks.   Why don't we just admit that we're talking about
our personal tastes, as opposed to some sort of sweeping bullshit about 
"what's REALLY experimental" or "good == new" or "true industrial?"

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Larry Spence
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