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From: rahayden@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (R Andrew Hayden)
Subject: The Kessel Run, the Princes, and funny marks
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:21:20 GMT

I've been reading this group too much and I got the urge tonight to watch
ANH and TESB.  

Well, I noticed lots and lots of things for some reason.

1) 
C3PO:  We're doomed, they'll be no escape for the princess this time...

and then later

LUKE:  (looking at Leia's hologram)  Who is she?  She's beautiful.
C3PO:  I'm afraid I'm not quite sure.  I believe she was a passenger on
       our last voyage, a person of some importance I believe.

So, does 3PO know her or not?


2)
C3PO:  (to R2D2)  No more adventures!

Hmm, this aludes to the fact that these two droids hve had oodles of
"adventures" before.


3).

C3PO:  ... we'll be sent to the spice mines of Kessel and smashed into who
       know what?

and then later

HAN:  Fast ship?  You mean you've never heard of hte Mellanium (sp) Falcon?
BEN:  Should I have?
HAN:  It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs.

what does the term "kessel" refer to?

(also, right after Han says this, watch closely Ben's expression.  It says
"Han, a parsec is a unit of distance, not time.  Stop blowing smoke up our
asses.")


4)

Finally, in many of the scenes in BOTH movies where you had a ship against
the starfield, I notices a slighly lighter haze around the ship.  I assume
this is a problem with the way the project the models on the green-screen,
but once I noticed it, it became rather annoyting *scratches head*.


---------------------------------------

Oh well, time to go watch RotJ now.......

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From: stein_gs@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Glenn S Stein)
Subject: Re: ..last hope. No there is another one.
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:57:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.071636.13496@muddcs.claremont.edu> abaker@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Evil One) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.061342.5771@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> stein_gs@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Glenn S Stein) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec11.075916.13690@anasazi.com> rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr) writes:
>>>>Recall that Yoda said "Always emotion is the future..." 
>>>                               ^^^^^^^
>>>                               in motion
>>Since Yoda is replying to Luke's "I see them in pain (an EMOTION), I'd say
>>you're wrong.  I don't have the script, but emotion fits much better.
>
>Do you realize how little sense it makes for it to be "emotion" rather than 
>"in motion"?  If it was "emotion" than it is saying that the future is 
>emotion.  This doesn't make any sense to me.  However if it is "in motion",
>as I specifically remember it being, than it means that as time is passing
>in the present it is also passing in the future.  This can be interpreted
>to mean that either the future is not always certain or that you can not
>visualize any one particular time in the future (ie look at a still picture
>of the future or 'rewind' what you just saw.)  Face it "emotion" just DOES 
>NOT MAKE SENSE in this context.
>
>The Evil One
Well, I guess it is "in motion."  I'll explain how "emotion" has made sense
to me for 12 years.  Luke feels the pain of his friends.  Luke asks if they
will die.  Yoda says that only emotion, not actions or events in the future
can be felt.  Death can be
painful or painless depending how it's carried out.  According to others
posters, it is this pain, this emotion from the future that brings Luke to
Bespin.  This pain is inflicted by Vader solely for the purpose that Luke
wil sense it.  I definately see how "in motion" could be and is correct.
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: super star destoyers and T. Zahn
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:42:34 GMT

qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:


>	The remnants of the Empire described by Timothy Zahn
>are a pretty sad group of ships.  I think they've named no more
>than about 10 star destroyers, one of which Thrawn is on.
>Fine.  But where did all the super star destroyers go?  As Han
>said ROTG, "There are a lot of command ships".  He said that
>because he thought Luke was assuming that Vader was aboard the
>Executor just because it was a super star destroyer.  Since
>Thrawn doesn't stay aboard any, it's safe to assume the Empire
>doesn't have any left.  Where they all destroyed by the
>Rebellion?  I would have liked to see the rebels
>tracking them all down and blowing them away.  It sure wasn't
>in a good enough position after ROTJ to do that.  Oh, well.

There weren't that many Super Star Destroyers in existence to begin
with.  The Star Wars RPG Sourcebook (which, of course, isn't canon)
claims that only four SSDs ever existed.  Alternately, as others have
postulated, the SSD that was 86ed in ROTJ may well have been the only
one in existence.  Either way, it seems unlikely that the Empire had
a lot of these things floating around.

After the Empire's central command was broken in the Battle of Endor,
it is doubtful that any new Super Star Destroyers were made, and those
SSDs (if any) that were still in existence probably became the next
primary targets of the Rebel fleet; they probably didn't last too
long.


                                  --Steve Stelter
                                    sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: HDW@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (H D WALDEN)
Subject: Re: Darth Vader's voice
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:32:49 GMT
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In <1gro39INN7qi@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> cottoncp@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu writes:

> In article <AKHIL.92Dec16142423@stokes.ae.utexas.edu>  
> akhil@stokes.ae.utexas.edu (Akhil Vidwans) writes:
> > 
> > Has anyone noticed how DV's voice ( courtesy JEJ )
> > changes during the course of the triology? 


	Yes--I thinks it's most powerful in Empire.
-dave
From: dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: "why don't all you star wars fans get a life" thread
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:32:50 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

meierdalepau@bvc.edu writes:

>	Well, since everyone is in the mood for naming movies members of 
>the Star Wars trilogy cast have appeared in, here's my addition.

>Carrie Fisher:  The Burbs
>Sir Alec Guinness:  Bridge Over the River Kwai

Don't forget that the actor who played Admiral Piett appeared in the Terry 
Gilliam movie, "Jabberwocky".  If you've never seen it, and like Monty Python,
or enjoyed fish called Wanda, or Fisher KIng, I suggest it.(or even Brazil, if
you have the time to watch it a few times to understand it.)

Also, to include my fond memories of my youth with Starwars.  I still remember
my brother and I trading cards in our room.  I also found my old Tauntaun, and
DarthVader's Tie Fighter in a closet this summer(the one with the ejecting wings
and battery powered laser)  except that one of the pilons that holds the wings
on is missing.


Well, enough of my mindless blathering.

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From: dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie)
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Subject: x-wing due date
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:55:03 -0800
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	Welp, the x-wing shipping date has come and gone and come and
gone. Talking with a local reseller, he jokingly said that the odds
of it coming in before x-mas(<- alliteration ;) were 100 trillion
to one; based on their track record of missed dates. I'm still hopeful
though! Any word?

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From: emuly@chinet.chi.il.us (brian schmidt)
Subject: Re: John Williams
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:23:46 GMT

>
>Good point on Elfman.  It only takes about two seconds of music to be 
>able to say, "Hey, I bet Elfman scored this movie."

The first time I saw Dick Tracy, I didn't know that it was Danny's score.
My first thought was "gee, who did this bad Danny Elfman ripoff?"
Don't get me wrong, I really like his stuff.

BTW, has anyone out there seen the new STAR WARS pinball machine from
Data East?

-Brian Schmidt
From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
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Subject: Re: Luke Gone Down Hill?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 20:47:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, julie@skatter.usask.ca () says:

>From article <92345.001424GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>, by <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>:
>> Don't forget Black Magic Woman or something.  I caught this one on free
>> Cinemax over the summer and what a bomb of a film this was!  Yuuuck.  The only
>> reason I think that Hamill did it was for the love scene in the shower.
>> Here's hoping he finds a nice girl and stops making abysmal career moves!
>> 
>>                                                      ---Eric
>
>But... Um...  Isn't he still married?  And I thought he just had a new
>kid too...

Yes, I think he's still married.

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:44:48 EST
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Darth Vader's voice
 <1gro39INN7qi@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>

 I find it extremely helpful to be able to read many
 copies of the same exact post.  It really engraves
 it into your memory.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:03:51 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Army of "Boba Fetts" in Clone Wars?

A passage from TESB novelizatio, p.125

"A human bounty hunter, Fett was known for his extremely ruthless methods.
He was dressed in a weapon-covered, armored spacesuit, the kind worn by a group
of evil warriors defeated by the Jedi Knights during the Clone Wars."

This sounds like a piece of history pulled from Lucas' secret notes, like the
history of Han rescuing Chewie from slavery.  If this is the case, then it
leaves open the possibility for these characters to be in the next trilogy.
It would obe too unbelievably cool to have a group dressed in this classic
battle guise battle the Jedis, don't you think?  Okay, so there is only one
"true" Fett, but maybe his origin could be told, as he obtains one of these
rare uniforms.  Perhaps, by the third film, Vader could even wind up being a
frequent customer to Fett's unsavory services as he might need someone to do
the dirty work he hasn't time for in the imperial hierarchy...

It's massive speculation, but I want Fett or pseu-Fetts in the Clone Wars     n
no matter how it's done!

                                            ---Eric
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ALL SW FANS READ THIS PLEASE!
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:40:46 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>TO BE SURE, HE CAN'T BE SERIOUS EITHER . . . NO ONE CAN BE THAT STUPID
>AND BOORISH AND STILL ATTEND UNIVERISTY, OPERATE A COMPUTER AND USE
>E-MAIL.
>
>MY MISTAKE, HE'S FROM LEHIGH.  I GUESS HE CAN BE.

Ignoring the rest of your profanity-laden post, I think you should watch your
mouth.  There are people, other than said poster, who are from Lehigh and
don't like your attitude very much.  Tone it down.

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From: ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sean Alan Squier)
Subject: Re: Star Wars is NOT literature
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:57:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.202457.42700@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
>I have no objection to people enjoying Star Wars.  That's fine.  I grew up
>with the movies, too, but I know where to draw the line.
>
>The problem arises when people overanalyze the movies.  They are NOT
>literature.  IMO, they aren't even well written.  When interpolating what
>Lucas 'might have meant' or 'implied', that's where the pitfall arises.
>
>Hollywood doesn't intend to produce well-written or meaningful entertainment.
>Star Wars was not produced to induce thought or empathy.  Star Wars was simply
>eye candy.  A lot of neat space ships, cool costumes, and a couple good actors.
>Over analyzing something that was intended for good-natured entertainment is
>like getting blood from a stone.
>
>This is not a flame or even a criticism.  The movies were good, but I think
>they have to be put into perspective.
>

I think you're wrong.  There is a lot more to Star Wars than meets the
eye, although it does have great costumes and cool special effects and
space ships to boot.  It is a whole other universe, like Tolkein or
the Dune chronicles, and it is much deeper than 3 movies, 6 (?) books,
and 3 comics book series.  (Believe it or not!)  The great thing about
these movies is that they can be enjoyed on more than one level, by an
incredible variety of people.  Personally, I like all the levels, but
I grew up on it, and it's part of me forever.


Sorry for the double post.  I hit 's' instead of 'e'.

Sean Squier
(Future CEO - The Walt Disney Company)
ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: ST201714@brownvm.brown.edu (L. Eduardo Romo III)
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Subject: Answers to questions (Greedo, Hobby)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:24:56 EST
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Someone wante dto know who Hobby was in TESB.  I always assumed he was the
pilot of Rogue two, which happens to be the same pilot who found Han and Luke
after their night on Hoth.  If I recall, during the Imperial attack on the
rebel base, Luke makes some statement like:

"Hobby, are you still with me?"

-cutto shot with afforementioned pilot

"I'm with ya Rogue leader"

this is completely from memory (It'e been about 3 months since I last saw it)
but I think that's word for word.  Flame me if I'm wrong.


As for Greedo, I doubt he was a true Bounty Hunter.  He was probably off duty
having a good time, when he recognized Solo.  I'd say that what followed would
be a good film to show all pseudo-Bounty Hunters to stay away and let the real
ones do their job.

those are the only two questions I felt I could answer, so I will get back to s
tudying about Columbus.

                           Hasta Luego,
                                        L. Eduardo Romo III
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From: drac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard)
Subject: Re: What is 'letterbox'?
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 04:00:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.065406.14055@cc.umontreal.ca> lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA (David Lebel) writes:
>
>	Sorry to bump in, but this is not in the FAQ, and as a new user
>of this group, I'm wondering on what is exactly the much-talked about
>'letterbox' thingie? (maybe it's due to the fact that I'm french-speaking
>to...). 
>
>	Speaking of french, you should try to take a look at the french
>version of the trilogy. Quite funny, it the first movie, they call Chewie
>'Chiquetabba' (or anything like this, cause its hard to spell this word) and 
>Han (Yan in french) call him Chico. In ESB and ROJ, they call him Chewie, 
>like in English. But, in general, the whole 3 movies are generally well
>translated...
>
>
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Ok, "letterbox" here refers to showing a film in the same left/right - top/bottom proportions as a 
movie theater... the TV screen is much narrower with comparison to the big-screen. Therefore,
a 'letterbox' edition is one where the picture is shown such that the entire picture is shown, but on a TV screen
the top and bottom 1/5 are blank, and the picture can be seen much like the theater (don't mind my being somewhat "dosconnected" tonite... long workday...)

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From: HDW@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (H D WALDEN)
Subject: Han and Leia's Theme(WAS:Re SW Favorite Moments)
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:54:18 GMT
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> 
> If anyone is interested out there (I realize Star Wars music isn't exactly the
> largest topic of discussion) --

	It's one of MY largest topics of discussion!!! 

> Does Han have any specific dedicated music?  I can only remember off the top of
> my head the various scores when he's in the Millenium Falcon (a series of fast
> trumpet stabs and chromatic runs, usually set to the visuals of TIE fighters
> flying over the bow...) I don't remember at this point whether Solo actually has
> a theme played for himself, alone;  whenever Leia is around they always put her
> theme in instead (the kinda soupy romance theme which turns into the finale at
> the end of ROTJ, mixed with Luke's... watch the ending scenes where Luke sees
> his father with Yoda and Kenobi and you'll know what I mean... they use at least
> Luke and Leia's theme before they wrap it up into the full choir finale)

	Han doesn't have his OWN theme, but one of my personal favorite  themes
from the whole trilogy is the "Love Theme," which describes Han and Leia's 
relationship. This theme is somewhat similar to "Princess Leia's Theme," but
it's not the same. You were probably were confusing Leia's theme with this
Love theme--one of Williams's best!!!

-dave
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Subject: Re: Favorite Star Wars Moments
From: parnell_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Pi-Rat)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 01:43:29 GMT
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Well I guess my faverate moment or rather line would have to be 
Han after shooting Gredo in ANH

	Han: Sorry about the mess



Paul
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From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: John Williams
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:42:55 GMT

In article <1BPVVB2w166w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble) writes:
>I've been reading all the posts on John Williams and his imitative 
>qualities and was especially intrigued by the one that said that if he 
>imitated so many other people, that this must be a style all his own.
>
>So, what if he imitates himself?  I saw Home Alone 2 about a week ago 
>and, as the Williams fans may know, he composed the music for it and its 
>predecessor.  All through the movie, I kept hearing musical phrases from 
>the Star Wars movies!  Certain that nobody else noticed, I turned to my 
>girlfriend after the lights had gone up and mentioned my find.  "Only 
>*you* would notice something like that," was her only reply.  Perhaps 
>that is true, but I still found it shoddy composing to lift themes from 
>your own pre-existing themes.
>Influence is one thing... In HA2, he was practically "stealing" his own 
>music.

	No,no. According to Issac Singer, it's ok to copy or 'steal'
ideas as long as the resulting music is or literature or art is in fact
entertaining.  I have never seen HA2 but I suppose that a direct copy
would be out of the question; if people were amused by the music that is
sufficient and any nay-sayers who point out the lack of originality of segments
are simply being sourpusses or trying to further the mysticism of their own
cult,science or outlook which would require such religious adherance to
the ideal.
	To an earlier writer; Wagner's opera is indeed dramatic, and maybe
ride of the Valkyries/Flying Dutchman/The Ring/etc. can be fun, but
Wagner's music is more oriented toward the pathos.  The Stravinsky/Williams/
Grieg/etc. pieces are more light-hearted and frivolous-a shadow of the
guy we know of as Han Solo, the shadow of a bunch of guys driving 90 miles
an hour down a dark road at night without headlights for the thrill of it,
the shadow of exploring some new land and the mystique and excitement it
brings. These 'tunes' awaken our sense of adventure and excitement, and
thus make good background music for any exciting movie of action and
suspense/mystery. Wagner would make good background music for any fatalistic/
religious doom/religious/end-all type movie.  Thus it makes good background
for the fatalistic killjoy.  It is a music to bring awe into the hearts
of the listeners.

				John
From: spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing)
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Subject: Is there an "Imperial Anthem" ? What about the Alliance?
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:41:10 GMT




Does then Alliance have an anthem of their own, or do they just use  
whatever sounds good that day? What about the Empire? Is there an Imperial  
Anthem, or is there just really evil-sounding backgroud music?

Sorry if this is incoherent. I've got Maryland history on the brain.  
Eeeeek.
Anyway, thanks.




ciao

jsk
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