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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Request: best bookcases?
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:39:15 GMT
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Distribution: seattle
Organization: The John Fluke Mfg. Co.  /a.k.a. The Gizmonics Institute/

Funny -- this is exactly the thing I went looking for after getting my first
bonus out of college.  It came down to this for me:

If you like Danish-style bookcases (thin wood, thin shelves, etc.), there
are a number of places (Scan Design up on 65th in particular) which carry
this.  

However, I don't like Danish bookcases.  I want something big, heavy,
imposing and pretentious. :-) So I looked around at antique stores and
couldn't find anything within a good price range.  Then I hit about three
unfinished furniture stores.  Voila!  They had a bunch of oak ones which had
the hefty look I wanted, and would stain the bookcases for about $20 more.
I bought mine at Don Willis Unfinished Furniture on Lake City Way; but I've
also bought stuff from Ballard Furniture and a place whose name I don't
remember on Stone Way North, around 36th.

However, if you're looking for really cheap bookcases, there's are a couple
of companies that provide that cheap, ugly plastic mass storage stuff.
Yuck.  (If I have to go that degree, I'll get planks and cinder blocks.  At
least it has some atmosphere.)

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From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: music censorship in WA state now in effect
Keywords: fascist censorship (shudder!)
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:30:45 GMT
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
Distribution: seattle
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma

lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
> il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh) writes:
> >At the risk of being branded a fascist, I'm gonna have to play devil's
> >advocate here.  What this lady wanted was to try to control what her kids
> >listen to.  If you feel your children can listen to a given CD or whatever,
> >you can buy it for them.  This lady merely felt that things that were out
> >of her control were influencing her children

> Awwwww, too bad.  She should wake up and realize that there are so many
> things which are out of her control, that it would simply be better to teach
> her children how to deal with them when they encounter them. 

That's very nice in theory, but how do you propose to teach a 6-year
old how to deal with everything he/she might possibly encounter in
the world?  I think parents nowadays need all the help they can get.

> >, and she did what she thought
> >was the best thing for her children.
> 
> Thats nice.  I would've appreciated it if she would have done it without
> our tax money though, and without inacting counter-productive legislation.

How is this different from the existing rating system for movies?

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Computer Facilities Manager   | high prices for goods which they then
Univ. of Washington, Tacoma   | proceed to leave on the counter when
iho@cac.washington.edu        | they go out of the store." -- Loren Eisley
From: lise@milton.u.washington.edu (Lise Knoxseith)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Apartment to Share
Summary: walk to campus, nice, $350
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:12:43 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


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   2 bedroom, 1.5 bathroom apartment - 1200 square feet - like new
   View of Lake Washington and Cascades
   10 minutes walk to UW, 8 minutes walk to QFC, 10-15 min walk to the Ave
   Peaceful residential street
   Dishwasher, lots of storage, roomy kitchen and deck

   Share with a female graduate student - lise@milton or 524-9565
From: swifty@tc.fluke.COM (Steve Swift)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: why the pilgrims left England
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:22:23 GMT
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

In article <MS-C.703007412.377401575.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:
>     In the name of historical accuracy, let me point out that the reason the
>pilgrims (more accurately, Puritans) left England is not because they were
>escaping religious persecution, but rather because they were religious
>persecutors who were kicked out!  Although the first Puritan settlement in
>America pre-dates it, the Puritans were responsible for overthrowing the
>government of England and establishing a dictatorship based on their
>fundamentalist religious principles (Oliver Cromwell and the Commonwealth).
>After the Restoration, there was a mass anti-Puritan reaction in England and
>forcible deportation of Puritans to the colonies.
>

This example proves more than you intended, perhaps.  All of the
history texts that I had in public school described the "persecution"
angle of the Pilgrims.  It wasn't until much later that I actually read
their own works and their history.  Visting Plymouth cemented the
correct view, outlined above.  Our Pilgrim heritage is a sad part of US
history.

Moral:  the majority is generally wrong, but they write their own
history.  That's why we need a replubican government, not a democracy.
England did not have a Bill of Rights to protect individuals.

-- 


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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse)
Subject: Re: music censorship in WA state now in effect
Summary: Ratings
Keywords: fascist censorship (shudder!)
Organization: <<< ESKIMO NORTH (206)-FOR-EVER >>>
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:58:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.043045.7060@u.washington.edu>, il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh) writes:
> How is this different from the existing rating system for movies?

     I don't think movies should be restricted, I don't have a problem with
rating them so adults can know what the content of the movie is, but beyond
that I believe it should be parents decision whether or not to allow their
children to see a film.

     Why is it ok for kids to see violence towards another human being, but
anything dealing with sex is taboo?  Is it more morally objectionable to have
sex with someone then to murder them?  Maybe this says something about why
our society is so violent?
From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: music censorship in WA state now in effect
Keywords: fascist censorship (shudder!)
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:13:50 GMT
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
Distribution: seattle
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma

zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Zintel) writes:
> il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh) writes:
> >Personally, no, I don't believe that majority will is always right.
> >However, most of the time, it isn't that harmful.

> Unless you are black, or jewish, or poor, or sick ...

I think this can be considered a cheap shot.  I don't think the minority
groups you mentioned were wronged by the majority, MOST OF THE TIME.

-- 
Il Hwan Oh                    | "A university is a place where people pay
Computer Facilities Manager   | high prices for goods which they then
Univ. of Washington, Tacoma   | proceed to leave on the counter when
iho@cac.washington.edu        | they go out of the store." -- Loren Eisley
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: franz@cs.washington.edu (Franz G. Amador)
Subject: Good alignment shops?
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 22:23:36 GMT

Can anyone recommend a trustworthy place that will check the rear
alignment of an '83 Subaru wagon?

A heavily-loaded trip across the country prematurely wore out the rear
tires, with the wear located exclusively on their inside edges.
Upeneik's, when they replaced the tires, claimed to have checked the
rear alignment and found it to be fine, but I'd like a second opinion
from a place I can be sure really did a full check.

Thanks,

Franz Amador
franz@cs.washington.edu
{rutgers,cornell,ucsd,ubc-cs,tektronix}!uw-beaver!june!franz
From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: why the pilgrims left England
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:50:12 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Mime-Version: 1.0


     In the name of historical accuracy, let me point out that the reason the
pilgrims (more accurately, Puritans) left England is not because they were
escaping religious persecution, but rather because they were religious
persecutors who were kicked out!  Although the first Puritan settlement in
America pre-dates it, the Puritans were responsible for overthrowing the
government of England and establishing a dictatorship based on their
fundamentalist religious principles (Oliver Cromwell and the Commonwealth).
After the Restoration, there was a mass anti-Puritan reaction in England and
forcible deportation of Puritans to the colonies.
From: delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: music censorship in WA state now in effect
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:44:01 GMT
Organization: The Core Dump Apperciation Society.


   It is not up the state to dictate morality to people, in the case of
childrens buying habbits, it is exclusivly up to the paranets to monitor
what they purchase and own. The merchants job is to sell things and make
a living. If the children purchase "bad" things then if they have the
money and can get away with it then they more power to them. It is the
parents fault for not teaching "proper moral values, what ever they may
be." It my children were to do this, then it would me my responsibility,
and the childs, not the states or the merchants, and I could only deal with 
the child as such. ( don't have children of my own, it was retorical)
   People are should have responsibility for them selves and not
blame others for their own problems.
   It is the person who proposed this legislation who is totaly
negligant, it is their problem that they are offended by the product,
it is their problem that they cannot monitor what their children are
purchacing, they impose their problems on others because they dont like
something.



The advance of civilization means the continuing restrictions on privacy.
 +-(c)--------------------------+ Information is the root of knowledge. 
 | delisle@eskimo.celestial.com |   Action is the root of experience. 
 +------------------------------+    Illusion is the root of reality.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: music censorship in WA state now in effect
Keywords: Confucian censorship (shudder!)
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:20:24 GMT
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
Distribution: seattle
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma

donn@brat.UUCP (Donn Pedro) writes:
> iho@cac.washington.edu writes:

> >I'm dead serious here.  We can't all go around doing as we please.  See
> >my statement which you've so kindly quoted below.

> Of course we can.  You just ensure the consequences of your actions 
> bring harm to no one else.

What do we with the ones who don't follow that guideline?  Kill them
for not thinking rightly?

-- 
Il Hwan Oh                    | "A university is a place where people pay
Computer Facilities Manager   | high prices for goods which they then
Univ. of Washington, Tacoma   | proceed to leave on the counter when
iho@cac.washington.edu        | they go out of the store." -- Loren Eisley
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Subject: Re: Comics in Seattle Papers (was: Times/PI differences)
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Organization: The John Fluke Mfg. Co.  /a.k.a. The Gizmonics Institute/
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 02:26:13 GMT

In <1992Apr11.012434.14653@Celestial.COM> bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes:

>In <1992Apr10.184007.4323@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) writes:
>:In <MS-C.702852388.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes:
>:>The only difference between the Seattle Times and the PI is `Doonesbury.'  
>
>:No, Mark: the only difference between the Seattle Times and the PI is
>:`Doonesbury' *and* `Calvin and Hobbes'.
>
>Ah!  Now we get to the heart of the matter.  If I could get all the
>comics daily without having to buy any of the newspapers...

[Glinda the Good appears.  **DING**!  "And so you shall!"]

I get a monthly magazine called COMIC RELIEF which reprints the month's
worth of the daily DOONESBURY and CALVIN AND HOBBES strips, and B&W reprints
of the Sunday OUTLANDs.  It also has a month's worth of political cartoons
from various papers, and goodies like Dave Barry and Ian Shoales columns,
LIFE IN HELL by Matt Groening, and WASHINGTOON.  

COMIC RELIEF is also available on the newstands.  It's allowed me to cut
down on the SEATTLE TIMES, except for Sundays.

                           "She is famous for having the worst personality in
                            Germany. And as you can imagine, that's up against
                            some pretty stiff competition."
                                           -- Blackadder III
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Jim Harriot's Legacy (was Re: KING 5 and others)
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Distribution: pnw
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:49:32 GMT

In article <656@nazgul.UUCP> bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright) writes:
>In article <2194@bcstec.boeing.com> robs@bcstec.boeing.com (Robert Sipe) writes:
>>I feel
>>Ken Schram takes the cake when it comes to commentaries.
>
>I don't like him.  He's an embarassment to the journalism profession.
>Someday I'm going to get tickets to Town Meeting and am going to give
>him a piece of my mind :-)
>
Good luck, but don't be surprised if they take questions in writing
before the show, and assign which members of the audience will be allowed
to repeat their question.  Also, Town Meeting is pre-recorded, and KOMO
has been known to stop tape and re-shoot segments they don't like.

The main problem here is that people should realize that "KOMO News" is an
oxymoron.  Ever since Jim Harriot introduced his Happy Sappy Smiley Nooz
format to KOMO in the 80's it's been nothing more than infotainment.
Now Harriot's Monster, Dan Lewis (Nooz Muppet from Hell) is in the
driver's seat and things have gotten even worse.  If you want to do a
comparison, just get 3 TV's and watch the lead-ins to the three local
news shows.  You'll typically see something like this:

KIRO: "Yassir Arafat was found safe today in the Lybian desert after his
       airplane crash-landed in a Sahara sand storm.  Locally, Booth
       Gardner is set to announce this week whether he'll run for
       the Senate seat being vacated by scandal-plagued Brock Adams."

KING: "Booth Gardner is set to announce this week whether he'll run for
       the Senate seat being vacated by scandal-plagued Brock Adams.
       In international news, Yassir Arafat was found safe today in the
       Lybian desert after his airplane crash-landed in a Sahara sand
       storm."

KOMO: "Herschel the Sea Lion is back again, running afoul of the Game
       Department at the Ballard locks.  We'll have a live report from
       Steve Pool telling you the best times to go down and get a glimpse
       of Herschel.  Also, in international news, why pinstripe suits are
       the hot new fashion trend in Russia.  But first, the traffic report."

'Nuff said.

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From: gilbert@mdd.comm.mot.com (John Gilbert)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: music censorship in WA state now in effect
Keywords: fascist censorship (shudder!)
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:48:09 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA

In article <1992Apr8.210536.21677@u.washington.edu> iho@cac.washington.edu writes:

>In my opinion, that's what government is for: to force the values
>of the majority on the rest of the population.

BOINK!


>must take responsibility for children, not just the parents. The other
>choice is to cloister ourselves in our homes and educate our children
>ourselves, never letting them out of the house.

???????????????

Children can be quite resiliant if you give them a chance to grow.
If they do grow up with strong healthy minds, then when they find out that
you hid the truths of the world from them along the way, well, I'd say
they would have good reason to stop trusting you any more.

A child old enough to make it to a record store an buy the stuff will find
it sooner or later.  Is it better that they sneak behind your back?
Is it better that they are taught that to do this you have to deceive
their parents?

If you want to help take responsibility for children, then get out and
help them understand.  Spend time with them.  It is hard work.  It is
what being a parent is.  No parent can watch their children 24 hours,
but it doesn't take that to live reasonably.  For pete's sake, this
woman claimed the child was influenced after listening to the music
*repeatedly* around the *house*.


All that aside, if CONTROL is what she wanted, she would have sought to
have ALL music restricted so she could be there to help them pick the
"nice" records out. I don;'t think it is reasonable either, but that would be
the "control" answer.

Instead, she won't be responsible for that, so she
wants the government to decide what is suitable (that is NOT a majority
value judgment, it is the VALUE of those few in control), and then she
can assume that she does not have to worry about it.  That is not what
I would call control.  That is irresponsible.  And here children may grow
up not appreciating it in the long run...

John
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrm 762-6417)
Subject: Re: music censorship in WA state now in effect
Summary: Let's subvert the dominant paradigm
Keywords: Hello, I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you
Organization: Cores 'R Us
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:26:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.043045.7060@u.washington.edu> iho@cac.washington.edu writes:
>lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>> il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh) writes:
>> >At the risk of being branded a fascist, I'm gonna have to play devil's
>> >advocate here.  

I thot *I* was doing that. :)

                    What this lady wanted was to try to control what her kids
>> >listen to.  If you feel your children can listen to a given CD or whatever,
>> >you can buy it for them.  This lady merely felt that things that were out
>> >of her control were influencing her children
>
>> Awwwww, too bad.  She should wake up and realize that there are so many
>> things which are out of her control,

Like the state...

>>                                      that it would simply be better to teach
>> her children how to deal with them when they encounter them. 
>
>That's very nice in theory, but how do you propose to teach a 6-year
>old how to deal with everything he/she might possibly encounter in
>the world?  

On a case-by-case basis, of course.  Also, by example.  In the case of
dogmatic belief systems and entrenched authority, by questioning and where
practical, ignoring/flouting/changing/dismantling them; where not possible,
the creative use of imagination to develop workarounds.

>            I think parents nowadays need all the help they can get.

1: *Why*?

2: If this is true (for the sake of argument) why do you think the state is
best equipped to give this help?  Are you satisfied with the results so far?
There is a facetious political truism: "it didn't work the last time, so we'll
damn well do it again!".  I would not consider this an acceptable answer.

3: But isn't this tantamount to an admission of incompetence on the part of the
adults?  Doesn't this really amount to a rationale for the state, for its own
convenience and other expeditious reasons, to treat us *all* like children?
Doesn't this then *erase* the distinction between adult and child in a
undesirable way (but very self-serving for the state)?

[...]

>How is this different from the existing rating system for movies?

The existing rating system (silly as it is) for movies is voluntary, not
compulsory.

kurt@grogatch.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
From: caladan!seanews!cavalier@seattleu.edu (croy poliakof)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: dipping silver
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 22:11:29 PDT
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail

my cousin is looking for a place to get their candlesticks dipped . Can 
anyone recommend a silver-dipper in the area of Bellevue-Renton-Seattle?
thanks for any help.

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From: zpeng@milton.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: uw.forsale,uw.general,seattle.general
Subject: Car for sale!
Date: 6 Apr 92 04:33:36 GMT
Reply-To: zpeng@u.washington.edu
Distribution: seattle
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


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From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: music censorship in WA state now in effect
Keywords: fascist censorship (shudder!)
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:54:10 GMT
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
Distribution: seattle
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma

nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse) writes:

>      I'm fed up with the government deciding for me what is good for me or my
> children.  Where does this nameless woman get the idea she has the right to
> control what MY kids listen to?

At the risk of being branded a fascist, I'm gonna have to play devil's
advocate here.  What this lady wanted was to try to control what her kids
listen to.  If you feel your children can listen to a given CD or whatever,
you can buy it for them.  This lady merely felt that things that were out
of her control were influencing her children, and she did what she thought
was the best thing for her children.  We're not talking about a universal
ban here.

-- 
Il Hwan Oh                    | "A university is a place where people pay
Computer Facilities Manager   | high prices for goods which they then
Univ. of Washington, Tacoma   | proceed to leave on the counter when
iho@cac.washington.edu        | they go out of the store." -- Loren Eisley
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