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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:17:54 EST
From:         "Alicia Conklin, CCNY" <ALCCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject: Help! Need NYT article on Computer as a Cultural Tool

Hello!  Can anybody send me an online copy of the NYT article (12/1/92)
that went out on MBU last December.  I had clipped the article, and I
thought I had logged the online version.  I'm writing a paper and need
some of the statistics on # of people using Internet, commercial bbs,
etc.  What happens?  I go to my notebooks, not there.  I go to my files,
the article's is there, but my scissors missed the first column on p.14.
Sigh.  The more data one has the more one loses.  --Alicia Conklin
                                                    alccc@cunyvm.

PS The section I need is Jack Rickard's estimates of 3.3 million people
using commercial services, 4 million using Internet, and....?????  What
comes after is what I don't have!
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:18:06 CST
From:         "Patty Ericsson" <PATTY@SDNET.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: SURVEY QUESTION
              22 Jan 1993 12:00:09 -0500 from <STINE@LU.LINCOLN.EDU>

In response to you survey question, there are several thing I would miss
if I had to give up CAI.  I have come to depend on synchronous
conferencing as an integral part of class discussion, and I don't know how
it could be replaced.  Traditional class discussion has been enormously
enhanced by the use of synchronous online discussion.

The part of CAI that I would be least willing to give up, however, is the
connection to colleagues all over the world.  Even though this is indirectly
linked to actual CAI, I would dread giving the access to all the minds I
am linked to.  All of the information, research, enthusiasm, strategies, and
personal experiences avavilable through BITNET and INTERNET links would
impossible to replicate expecially for those of us who are at small
universities in geographically distant locations.

Patty Ericsson
Dakota State University
Madison, SD  57042
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:28:03 CST
From:         "Patty Ericsson" <PATTY@SDNET.BITNET>
Subject:      fun with stand-alones

Another exercise that I still use, even though we are networked, is
musical computers.  Each student writes something - takes a position, writes
an introduction, etc. - then each student moves to another machine and
comments, plays devils advocate, or whatever you want them to do to work on
the previous student's writing.  The variations on this "game"  are numerous.

Patty Ericsson
Dakota State University
Madison, SD  57042
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:31:35 -0800
From:         James Crosswhite <JCROSS@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Crackdown on MBU

What utopian employment we all have when Fred Kemp is our boss!
Jim Crosswhite  jcross@oregon.uoregon.edu
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:25:00 EST
From:         Joel Nydahl <NYDAHL@BABSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Job opening: Position description

Since we're into this kind of thing, let me tell you about one of my favorite
pet peeves--asking individuals who are applying even at the level of associate
professor to supply undergraduate transcripts as part of the initial search
process.  (Usually, "human resource" types working in personnel offices are
guilty of this.)  Didn't the old Saturday Evening Post have a feature called
"There Oughta Be a Law"?
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:02:00 CDT
From:         Amanda Corcoran <YKFAC@TTACS.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: SURVEY QUESTION

RE: what i would miss most in a nonCAI classroom.

Off the top off my head--

* a truly student-centered classroom--I think the computers
really are essential to moving student attention to each other
and their work instead of focussing upon the instructor
* ease of recording student activities for research and data
collection

* dynamics of the computer classroom. They (I heard) suggest that
instructors change plans about three or four times during the
course of a class in a traditional classroom. During CAI, I for
one, change plans a great deal. Students often take off on an
activity I wasn't sure would work and drag on an activity I
thought would. Of course, this happens in a noncai room too; the
constant action of the CAI is what is thrilling. No silence, no
stillness--constant movement, constant writing, constant
interaction.
I'm going to send this. God knows what my editor is doing. Still,
maybe my message will heal itself in the net.
Amanda Inskip Corcoran--Texas Tech
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:54:06 CST
From:         "David H. Roberts" <DHROBERT@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Job opening: Position description

On Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:30:57 EST David Tillyer, CCNY said:
>
>      Has it been discussed on MBU what a waste it is to ask for
>      3-5 letters of recommendation before the final cut?  I don't
>      know what it's called in St. Cloud, but in New York, it's
>      called chuzpah!   David Tillyer CCNY

Hear! Hear!  An enormous waste!  I was just on a search committee for
a dean and we didn't ask for letters until the final cut.  As I look
around for greener pastures, I put in my cover letter that I will
supply letters only if I make the cut; if the search committee can't
want to work there.  dhr

   __________________________________________
   David H. Roberts
   Director of University Writing Programs
   Samford University
   Birmingham, AL 35229-2207 USA
   Voice: (205) 870-2964; Fax: (205) 870-2384
   Bitnet:  DHROBERT@SAMFORD
   CIS:     72630,3633
   __________________________________________
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:33:12 CST
From:         Eric Crump <C509379@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      it's still a girl

Thanks to everyone who (publicly or privately) sent congratulations
on the birth of Quincy Rose. I printed the first round and took them
to Amy in the hospital. In the surreal quiet and near isolation
following the ordeal of birth, your kind wishes were welcome and
reassuring. It's not a little magical that so many people we've never
seen before took the time to give their regards.

It occurs to me that one reason some of us post such announcements,
(in addition to the wish to share a little joy in this stress-drenched
world, and in addition to wanting to bask in a moment of fame), is
to create a prearranged excuse should our voices wobble, our attention
wander, or our thoughts begin to leak coherence for the next few weeks.
Experienced parents will nod sagely and say to themselves: Yep,
Crump is somnambulate.

Sleep deprivation aside, we're enjoying Quincy immensely.

--Eric Crump
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:43:00 PST
From:         DON WEASENFORTH <WEASENF@USCMVSA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Daedalus Info (4)

Daedalus is distributed by St. Martin's Press.  Sorry, I don't
have the 800 number handy right now.  Nor am I familiar with
software for the IBM.
.
I hope that this helps a bit anyway.
.
Don Weasenforth
University of Southern California
WEASENF@MVSA.USC.EDU
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:04:03 CST
From:         "David H. Roberts" <DHROBERT@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Focus Group experience anyone??

Karen: a recent book on TQM includes some info on focus groups

Harris and Baggett (Eds), _Quality Quest in the Academic Process_.
Methuen, MA:  GOAL/QPC, 1992.   ISBN 1-879364-25-5

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   David H. Roberts
   Director of University Writing Programs
   Samford University
   Birmingham, AL 35229-2207 USA
   Voice: (205) 870-2964; Fax: (205) 870-2384
   Bitnet:  DHROBERT@SAMFORD
   CIS:     72630,3633
   __________________________________________
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:05:00 CST
From:         SLATIN@UTXVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: willingness to revise on com

There's no more reason why students' (or anyone else's) should improve simply
because they use computers than there was for writing to improve when people
started composing on the typewriter.  They have to learn to use the technology
-- whether pen, pencil w/eraser, typewriter, or computer-- and they have to
learn what revision is.  And they have to believe that the work is meaningful
in terms of what they value, not in terms of what we value.  Students who've
never learned to think of revision as having to do with the structure of an
essay, but have rather been led to attend to sentence-level problems, will
use the computer to make sentence-level changes and will ignore the features
that would allow them to reshape the entire piece.


John Slatin
UT Austin
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:16:32 -0500
From:         KARCH@NORWICH.BITNET
Subject:      duplicate messages

What procedure is recommended to end duplicate messages?  Since late
last week, all messages from the bitnet system are duplicated.  Only
local messages come in singles.  Any advice for me?   Linda Karch.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:44:00 EST
From:         Joel Nydahl <NYDAHL@BABSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: SURVEY QUESTION

I try to teach my classes in a Novell-nworked lab which enables me to call
up students files (or my own) on everyone's screen and then have the writer
discuss the text and perhaps begin to revise it so everyone can watch.
This kind of modeling isn't possible in any other way.

I'm still thinking about other things that wouldn't be availbable without
computers.

Joel Nydahl
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:27:00 EST
From:         Joel Nydahl <NYDAHL@BABSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Focus Group experience anyone??

Karen -- The only experience I've had with focus groups comes from those
set up by publishers to gather information to help them better in the
market place.  Harper Collins asked me to participate in one at MLA; the
topic was "the future of the printed handbook."  Members in this case could
not volunteer since Harper initiated it and had their own critera (I think
you had to be terribly smart and good looking).  But I don't think there are
"rules" about this.  I'm sorry but I don't remember the name of the woman
who set up the Harper Collins session.  You might try calling them.
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:36:00 EST
From:         MLB14@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: email privacy

Patty,

I'd really like a copy of your e-mail privacy paper.

Marcy Bauman
Penn State-Erie
Station Rd
Erie, PA 16506
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:24:44 EST
From:         smh@AAL.ITD.UMICH.EDU
Subject:      FOR GREG COLOMB ONLY

Sorry to be using the list for what ought to be a private message but:

Greg,
We're in the process of sending out the letters about Computers and Writing
'93 proposals, and somehow we've misplaced your full mailing address
(and Joyce Simutis' as well).  Can you let me know where to contact you?
Sorry for this bit of disorganization--
Susanmarie Harrington
English Composition Board
University of Michigan
1025 Angell Hall
Ann Arbor MI 48109-1003
smh@aal.itd.umich.edu
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 09:43:21 CST
From:         Eric Hobson <EHH909F@SMSVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Irony of the CAI survey

Dear MBUers:
   On the same day I received the survey request here wanting to know if/how I
could live without CAI instruction, I received a similar survey in my mailbox
in the Eng. dept. here at Southwest Missouri State U. The ironic part of the
situation, however, is that while on-line I discuss the implications of educati
onal life WITHOUT CAI, off-line, I am entering a discussion of the implications
of educational life WITH CAI (and only within the context of first-year composi
tion classes). So, while I contemplate my response to the MBU query (I've come
from a school where I taught exclusively in CAI settings, to a school with a
non-networked lab available one a week), trying to articulate the frustrations
of re-visioning my writing courses as effective non-CAI environments, I also
try to formulate my response to the in-house query that wonders if CAI is at
all compatible to writing courses. In a bifurcated state of mind, I'll try to
answer the following questions as calmly as I can:
   Is computer-assisted instruction compatible with your teaching style and
     philosophy of composition?
   What benefits do you see in CAI composition classes?
   What problems do you see that are peculiar to CAI in composotion classes?
   At what level of freshman composition is CAI most effective? Why?
   Would you be in favor of an extra hour per week of required Computer Lab
     work in CAI sections?
   What other comments would you like to make about CAI in composition classes?

I've posted the original MBU query on my wall (above my computer) so I can see
it when I need a lift. It shows me 1) what fun our assumptions are about the
rest of academe--that CAI is widespread, and 2) that the continued growth of
CAI is certain and may even make to MO by the end of the century.

Eric Hobson
Southwest Missour State U
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:01:21 CST
From:         "David H. Roberts" <DHROBERT@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Focus Group experience anyone??

The TQM bug has bit Samford, and I have been in and organized several
focus groups in the past two years. Go private so we won't clog the
list, and I will give you my perspective.

   __________________________________________
   David H. Roberts
   Director of University Writing Programs
   Samford University
   Birmingham, AL 35229-2207 USA
   Voice: (205) 870-2964; Fax: (205) 870-2384
   Bitnet:  DHROBERT@SAMFORD
   CIS:     72630,3633
   __________________________________________
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:42:15 CST
From:         "Michael S. Hart" <HART@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      !!!New Clinton Posting

Project Gutenberg has made eight corrections to yesterday's posting of
Clinton's Inaugural Address.

ftp mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
login anonymous
password yourname@your.machine
cd etext/etext93
get clinton2.txt
quit


=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
hart @uiucvmd.bitnet or hart@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:34:00 CDT
From:         Fred Kemp 5365 <YKF00@TTACS.BITNET>

Megabuds,
this is simply a message to see if the channels are still
clear for megabyte.  Sometimes these lulls are human nature:
even a good thing needs a rest now and then.  But sometimes
there is a hangup up at ttuvm1, and I don't know it until I
try something like this.  Hope the semester is going good
for everyone.  I know I have a great class of 17 brilliant
graduate students taking Computers and Writing (English
5365) mostly on the VAX (so far) and peek-a-booing at MBU.  If
anyone has students of a similar techno frame of mind who
would like to converse with same, write me at ykfok@ttacs.
Right now we are reading Ted Jennings' piece, "Paperless
Writing:  Boundary Conditions and Their Implications."  If
anybody has a class who would like to communicate, let me
know.  Fred Kemp, ykfok@ttacs
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:11:37 EST
From:         "David Tillyer, CCNY" <DATCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Crackdown on MBU

On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:52:00 CDT Fred Kemp said:
>
>BUT, I'll sacrifice what's left of my teeth before I make
>anybody on this list worry about saying what he or she feels
>like saying. Maybe it's just my personal weakness.  I enjoy
>hearing about births and heavy snowfalls and the two or
>three hundred people who can't seem to get through to Steve
>North (I think he's at some obscure university in the northeast).
>     stuff deleted
>                      I would say at this point that if
>somebody wants to say something to MBU, then they should
>just do it.  In so doing, of course, they just might destroy
>their career and . . . .oh, what the heck.  MBU is (or
>should be) non-judgemental (did I mispell that word?) (did I
>misspell mispell?)  Fred Kemp, the presumed listowner of MBU

I couldn't agree more.  I really enjoy the cameraderie of MBU.
I think that we would all feel better if even chatty messages
would have an accurate subject line and have some reference in
the text to what the chattee is chatting about!  I'm having
fun.  Peace, David Tillyer  CCNY    DATCC@CUNYVM
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:19:00 EST
From:         MLB14@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      cai assignments

Hey, folks,

Assume that you teach in a computer lab with stand-alone PCs.  What's your
favorite in-class activity in such a circumstance?  I'm looking for
something that could be a lead-in for a paper, or an exercise that can stand
on its own merits.  Can you think of anything that you can do in such a
circumstance that you just can't do with pen and paper, or that's made much
better by using computers instead of pen and paper?

Thanks,

Marcy Bauman Penn State-Erie
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   University teaching assistants have a variety of responsibilities.
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      What kinds of teaching techniques do you use?
      How can you motivate students and stimulate discussion?
      How can you promote a supportive classroom climate?
      How can you set expectations for students that are high enough to
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      How can you review for tests, write examinations and assignments and
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:41:30 -0500
From:         KARCH@NORWICH.BITNET
Subject:      Re: email privacy

Why am I getting duplicate messages?  How can I correct this problem
here at Norwich?  THis duplication just began, after joining new hotlines
yesterday.  Any advice?  Linda Karch
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:03:25 -0700
From:         "Michael J. Day" <mday@SILVER.SDSMT.EDU>
Subject:      no final exams in writing classes--formal justification?

Our department head has asked me to find out if there are
any formal documents (articles, NCTE position statements?)
that justify NOT having final exams in writing classes.

We need to make a case to the rest of the faculty that we
should be exempted from the university-wide requirement.

Please reply directly to me.

Thanks!

Michael Day
mday@silver.sdsmt.edu
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