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From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: Lithuanian roundball shirts
Keywords: shirts, Lithuania, flame-free
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:00:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.164530.17591@ncar.ucar.edu> burghart@stout.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Burghart) writes:
>The following is a flame-free post:
>
>Since I've seen no affirmative responses to other peoples' requests, I'm
>going to ask for myself....  Anybody know where to get hold of Lithuanian
>basketball team/Dead tie-dye shirts?  I would like to find at least three for 
>myself and friends.  Any confirmation that they were sold in the S.F. area
>before the Olympics?  Maybe there are some enterprising artist types out
>there who could make reasonable facsimiles of the original?  (I could probably
>handle the tie-dying, but I think drawing the slam-dunking skeleton is beyond
>my ability.)  Any info appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chris Burghart
>burghart@ncar.ucar.edu

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From: burnett@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gary Burnett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Fate of the Grateful Dead
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:51:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Aug19.154805.15144@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> trwei@pica.army.mil (FSAC-SID) writes:

> Hey folks,                     

> Take this with a grain of salt if you choose.  I don't usually believe in 3rd
> party rumors but what I heard last night really upset me.  I have a friend
> who is a NeXT machine user and she knows a lot of people who are involved with
> it.  One of the people she knows is John Barlow (sp?) who is a writer for the
> NeXT magazine and for the Grateful Dead.  If you don't recall, some of the songe
> he help write are Throwing Stones, Mexically Blues, Hell in a Bucket.  Anyway,
> he and Bob Weir are good friends and (here comes the "he said, she said" part)
> my friend said that John said that Bob said that this may be the end of the
> band as far as he can tell.  DON'T GET EXCITED.  This is not definite but a
> posibility.  I don't know who else Bob told this to or what mood or frame of
> mind he was in at that time but this is just Bob's prediction and it is also
> just a rumor I heard last night.  Let just hope Bob is wrong and hold the
> flaming down to a minimum.  Take care folks.


Sorry, but as a matter of policy I never believe anybody who doesn't
know how to spell "Mexicali."  Nothing personal, you know, but there
are limits ...

--Gary B.

(I know spelling flames aren't considered too cool around here, but
just think of it as my version of second-hand smoke :-)  Anyway,
I just couldn't resist the temptation.)
-- 
Gary Burnett                             burnett@gandalf.rutgers.edu 
130 Columbia Street                      gburnett@zodiac.rutgers.edu   
Highland Park, NJ  08904                          jera@well.sf.ca.us

"Things then did not delay in turning curious."  --Thomas Pynchon
From: BONG@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Eric Bong)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Brent w/ daughter on bench?
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:10:22 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.gdead
Organization: SLAC

In article <13316.2a88eb96@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>,
cpalmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know at which show Brent's daughter was sitting with 
> hin on the piano bench while he sang I Will Take You Home?


It was his last Fathers Day at Shoreline. I was there. 
Great show. He did a very angry Blow Away that run.

Eric Bong
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: BRIAN.JEFFREY.COOK@um.cc.umich.edu
Subject: CSN-acoustic...aug 30...syracuse NY
Reply-To: BRIAN.JEFFREY.COOK@um.cc.umich.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:19:48 GMT

CSN will be performing at the NYS fair in syracuse, NY on august 30.
this is NOT the same venue as the horde or bob/rob.
still it is nice....
the price of tickets are unknown to me right now, but i do know that the
purchaser does have entry into the fair early, so you can ride the rides
or walk through the buildings.
parking is sometimes a hassle, and will probably cost you about $3-5. 
there are some lots that you can get into for free on state fair blvd, but they
are a bit hard to get to. :-(
for ticket information call ticketmaster at (315)472-0700 or the
fairgrounds directly (315)487-7711.
.
i do not know of any good campgrounds close, but the fairgrounds may have
something, you would have to call them.
.
peace...bjpc
From: glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re:  smokin' at shows
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:05:24 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology

In article <1992Aug20.002108.19239@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> sjeck@isi.com writes:
>
>who ever said quitting smoking is good for you?

Well, Steve, the AMA, numerous insurance companies, and your pack of cigarettes
has a message to that effect.

As a friendly suggestion, your strident, agressive use of name calling does
little to advance your argument.

George Lambert
From: andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: G.D.H. question (?)
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:53:54 GMT
Reply-To: andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
Organization: The Internet


	Caught just a brief segment of last night's Grateful Dead Hour.
What I heard was about 5 minutes of the segway from China Cat to I know You
Rider.  What blew me away was the different chords they were using in "Rider".
There was also a voice in there that I didn't recognize.  The chords they
were playing (Weir and (?) Godcheau (?)) sounded like they could have just as
easily seuged into "Uncle John's".  That is, they had a very "major" kind
of "happy", "bouncy" sound that I don't normaly equate with "Rider".
I was in my car and had to get out before I caught any info. on the given
performance.  Can anyone help me out here???  THANX!
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous)
Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead and the Mixolydian Mode...
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:55:19 GMT


Curt wrote a lot of stuff explaining Mixolydian. I just remember eons ago
putting on Dark Star and just playing those major scales in D. Sounded great!
:-)

--Mark 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: SIMON%HUXTAL.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Wharf Rat
Reply-To: SIMON%HUXTAL.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:12:05 GMT


lippe@helios.bellcore.com (David Lippe) writes:
|I remember reading a post about a month ago which said that one of the author's
|least favorite Dead tunes is Wharf Rat.  I also know that my girlfriend says
|that the song doesn't do much for her.  Personally, I love Wharf Rat-- in fact,
|it is one of my favorite songs by the Grateful Dead.  Am I alone?  It has alway
s
|suprised me to hear people say they don't like it.  What do the rest of you
|think about the song?

I went through a few phases with WR.  At first, I didn't really
like it.  But, then, I can remember the moment when I was turned
around on it.

I was driving to my SO's house, and I was playing a WR from
Filmore East 1971.  Jerry's voice was right on, and the lyrics
were very clear. I listened to them very carefully, following the
store of August West and the narrator.  At some point, the power
of the lyrics hit me BAM! right in the face.  I was really moved
right then, sort of an epiphany.  I can remember the exact spot
in the road where I was driving, the layout of the dashboard in
front of me - a complete picture of that moment in my mind's eye.
I said to myself, "I get it now !" (or rather, I get *it* !  :-)

I was really into WR for about a year after that.  I've since
come down a little bit from that, but I still love the lyrics.


take care,

ejs

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From: 00sssiler@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Jerry, take those 6 months off. :-)
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:49:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Aug19.154921.8923



Seems to be the same old thing...

     "Omigod, Jerry's sick!  The band is never gonna play again!"

As for me, all I can do is wish him the best in his recovery.
If you want to send him a card, here's the address:

Grateful Dead
Box 1073
San Rafael CA 94915

Actually, this would be a novel opportunity for the band to take
that 6 months off that we've been hearing about.  I hope that they
do.  They've only been touring since the mid 60s.  :-)

Get Well Soon, Jerry
:-)  :-)  :-)
From: caleb@cbmtoruucp (Caleb J. Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: recent ugliness and bogosity in this newsgroup
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:51:05 GMT
Organization: Commodore Business Machines (CANADA)



			   AUMN!

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From: garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Personal to Rob Fish
Keywords: Cap 78
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:46:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23503
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ


Hi Rob -

Sorry 'bout the personal, but I haven't gotten any replies
to my last several mail messages, and thought they mught
be getting lost.  Did you ever receive my requests for our
Capitol '78 tape trade?  Please get in touch and let me
know what's goin' on.

thanks a lot,

att!alice!garry

-- 
Garry Hodgson			A slow winter day
AT&T Bell Labs			A night like forever
garry@alice.att.com		Sink like a stone
att!alice!garry			Float like a feather
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: les@chopin.udel.edu (Matthew Re Templeton)
Subject: Another scary Deadicated II suggestion...
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:58:27 GMT

How about Smashing Pumpkins doing "China Cat Sunflower"?  Hey, they let
Jane's do "Ripple" didn't they?...;-)
-- 
!Matthew Reed Templeton!Quote of the month:August,1992...
!  les@brahms.udel.edu !"During the break, we'll be holding a raffle...
!This space for rent...! whoever wins gets to hold the rhythm section hostage!"
!..Cheap! 1-800-WHAKNOW!	-Mr. Cheeze, Robert Weir 6/24/85
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: smokin' at shows
Organization: NY home for wayward dats
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:08:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.160806.12265@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> sjeck@isi.com
writes:

>with respect to the perfect people who don't smoke,
>dont' drive cars or have a fireplace.  can you tell 
>us somethingabout that SOLAR-POWERED COMPUTER you're 
>using?  If you cheat and use batteries, you're still
>polluting.

Would you believe that I have my exercise bike hooked up to a battery
charger?  I was afraid of that.

But as I said, you're welcome to smoke outdoors, and in your home.
Just don't smoke in my face, ok?

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
From: Daniel_Morris@QM.SRI.COM (Daniel Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: DrumSpace
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:11:29 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.gdead
Organization: SRI International

In article <1992Aug14.183527.9163@athena.mit.edu>, opie@athena.mit.edu
(Timothy H Olson) wrote:
> 
> 
> 	Does anybody out there know the origin of the traditional Drums->Space
> motif we're so used to hearing. When did they start doing it regularly 
> (i.e. every show)? Just curious, as I have tapes that either have it (early 
> 80's I think) or don't (the seventies and before). I figure there must have
> been some sort of evolution, the band didn't just decide one show to add this 
> little free-form odyssey. 
> 							
> 						Timothy H. Olson
> 						  "Opie"

Space-of-a-sort was "performed" at the very first dance, although it would
not be called Space for many years to come, and it was rarely recorded
during those early years.  So having tripped with the boys from early on,
IMHO, the origin of Space is quite obvious.

It simply grew out of those interminable, vastly   s t r e t c h e d - o u
t   periods of time and space while the band was trying to tune-up their
instruments.

YOU BET, and they would all sorta stand around on the stage fiddling with
those little turn-things on the ends of their guitars (or bass) and twist
and tune ... ...  and tune some more ... ...   and tune and tune ... ...  
and pretty soon ... ...  the chorus of strum-plink-turn-strum would sorta
start to sound maybe OK and maybe only a little sharp ... ...  and they
would continue to fiddle and twist and tune and ... ...  WOW, throw in a
riff ... ...  and twist and fiddle and tune ... ...  and sorta start to
play ... ...  and soon it started to sound pretty good ... ...  and then
into it a little later on, as the improv progressed it sorta started to
sound like a jam ... ...  and then as we all know, it would often turn kind
of pretty.

And then quite amazingly over time, it evolved into a most recognizable
"song"  ... ...   and then somewhere along the way we began to call it
Space.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Phydeaux <reb@ingres.com>
Subject: re: Deadbase VI
Reply-To: reb@ingres.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 13:54:37 GMT


|Has anyone received a copy of the new deadbase yet?  Just wondering when I can
|expect mine...

DeadBase VI will be going to press in a few days... 

						reb
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Paul Tumolo <ptumolo@seq.csuhayward.edu>
Subject: brent with daughter
Reply-To: ptumolo@seq.csuhayward.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:34:26 GMT

happened at shoreline on father's day, 1990- IF i remember correctly;
perhaps it happened otehr places as well, but i do remember it happening
at shoreline- sharon wrote it in her book.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: bg377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Wainwright)
Subject: Refund Question 
Reply-To: bg377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Wainwright)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:45:38 GMT



For Veneta and Shoreline, if you included a self addressed envelope
you would get your tix back marked with VOID on the back.  Does this go
for the East Coast too?  How much posteage (I know, .52 but Steve didn't say)?
Mixed cities OK or not?

This and other questions need some clarification.  Since Mr. Marcus has his 
new toy on the hotline, maybe he could put a special section on there to 
answer these questions.  My .02 on the new MO hotline system, it is a great
idea, but they didn't get everything perfect, just perfect to quote Steve.
There are big pauses in the messages, specifically on refund instructions
and Jerry's health.  Press an invalid key and you get a reprimand from Steve.

That's it for now.

Rich
-- 
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*   Rich Wainwright               Some folks are electricians   *
*   BG377@cleveland.freenet.edu   others plumber's wives.       *
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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Joseph Galewsky <joe@miles.ucsc.edu>
Subject: Consolation Backpacking Trip
Reply-To: joe@miles.ucsc.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:35:35 GMT

Well, I was hoping that around this time I would be 
getting ready to go to Veneta and then Shoreline, but
it just wasn't in the cards.  My brother had non-refundable
airline tickets from Houston, so we are heading off to
the Eastern Sierras for a backpacking trip instead.  I 
wouldn't be surprised to see other depressed Dead Heads
in the mountains.  See y'all in about a week.
Joe Galewsky
joe@miles.ucsc.edu

Get Well Soon Jerry!!


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re: cancel fall tour?
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:30:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.005231.18731@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> tomw@astro.umd.edu writes:
>so should the fall tour be cancelled? would the dead be the dead 
>without jerry?
>so is jerry the gd? i certainly like his sound, his talent, and i 
>certainly hope he
>recovers. but that's gonna take some time, so i think he should take 
>as much time
>off as necessary.
>
>who are the grateful dead anyway? i always thought the music played 
>the band,
>that they were more than the sum of their parts...they didn't stop 
>being the dead
>when tc left, or when pigpen died, or when donna and keith left, or 
>when brent died...
>
>so i think the dead should go on with the fall tour...they're 
>professionals.  maybe
>they could persuade henry kaiser to fill in for jerr...
>
>so whadda ya think?
 No! NO! No! NO!NO!NO!  The Dead without Jerry? Unthinkable! You don't
 really mean it! Say You Don't Mean IT!!!!!!! Keith, Donna, Brent..
 that ain't the same thing.. AT ALL...and Pig is the hearts and guts
 of the band even (but especially) in death,,,but without Jerry,
 there ain't no Grateful Dead!

 Get Well Jer!

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: Deadicated Comments
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 17:45:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.124833.29902@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood) writes:
>
>Now, here's another question:  If you were the producer of DEADICATED II,
>what artists would you choose for any particular Dead song and why? 
>One matchup to get the ball rolling:  Leon Russell - "High Time"

Joe Cocker - Easy Wind:-)

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From: glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead and the Mixolydian Mode...
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:54:14 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology

In article <1992Aug13.190000.7971@sunspot.noao.edu> brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown) writes:
>Ok, here I go again, steppin' in composte:-)
>
>Question, is this or is this not a recreational
>newsgroup(rec.music.gdead)? So we need this highly technical
>disscusion on how it is the Dead manage to Jam so well.

It beats a number of other topics hands-down.
>
>Question, is not Phil the only schooled musician in the group, and
>thus probably the only one who is able to offically grasp these
>great technical discussions.

Phil was schooled on the trumpet.  I have a number of musical friends with
little or no formal training in music, yet they would find these posts to
be very interesting.  The Dead have been musicians for over thirty years...
being intelligent souls, I am sure they have more than enough intelligence
and time to be very familiar with the concepts and entailing jargon that have
been found in these discussions.
>
>So is it the combined opinion of the group that these discussions
>of brilliant understanding of musical education should continue
>or would it not be best for those concerned to take this discussion
>to email or start their own group tech.music. anaylisis of gdead:-)

It is the combined opinion of my eyeballs and brain cells that these 
discussions continue in a public forum.  I can't speak for the others who
read this group.  As a matter of fact, this is a relatively freeform area
of cyberspace in which anyone can contribute anything they choose; it helps
if it concerns the Dead, but has never seemd mandatory.  Even those (IMHO)
lame Neil Diamond "jokes" seem to have a place here.

This thread is one of the best I've read on this group in many a month, and
I thank the contributors to it immensely.
>
>A thought if Phil is the only "educated" musician in The Dead, how
>is it that they have managed to do so well over the years playing
>all this highly technical educated modal type music? Could it come
>naturally or is it a developement caused by a high rate of experience
>and experimentation.
>
It seems to me to be a natural inclination to play what they do, yet it is 
strongly buttressed by the length of time they have been practicing this
profession and all that ANY responsible person would learn formally about 
their trade in the time they have spent doing so.  Not all effective 
training needs to (or does) come from a formal college or university education.

So, thanks again to those who have taken the time to provide the musical
analysis of the band, and I strongly encourage you to keep it going.  I'm
learning quite a bit from it!

George Lambert
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: deaneri@microsoft.com (Dean Ericksen)
Subject: QuietQuietQuiet > Listen
Date: 11 Aug 92 20:18:59 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

Jerry's sick.
 Veneta cancelled.
  Freshmen discover r.m.g - get jollies.
   People flaming people flaming.
    Fall tour in jeopardy?
     MaxPointsPorscheGuyBrentVincePigKeithDonna

Crack a smile people, it ain't all that bad.  A story:

Ryokan, a Zen master, lived the simplest kind of life in a little hut 
at the foot of a mountain.  One evening a thief visited the hut only to 
discover there was nothing in it to steal.
Ryokan returned and caught him. 'You may have come a long way 
to visit me,' he told the prowler, 'and you should not return
empty-handed. Please take my clothes as a gift.'
The thief was bewildered. He took the clothes and slunk away.
Ryokan sat naked, watching the moon. 'Poor fellow,' he mused,
'I wish I could give him this beautiful moon.'

Things will get better real soon...
-Dean
deaneri@microsoft.com
					"if you get confused..."
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: moffitt@chopin.udel.edu (Curtis Moffitt)
Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead and the Mixolydian Mode...
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:43:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.192440.18280@serval.net.wsu.edu> yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel) writes:
>
>Just a couple of additions and one IMHO important correction:
>
>In article <BsxKrC.60C@news.udel.edu>, moffitt@chopin.udel.edu (Curtis Moffitt) writes:
>|>Birdsong - the jam in this song is predominantly E7 in E mixolydian.
>|>  What this means basically is that the main chord to which the jam is
>|>"centered around" is E7 (with most emphasis in the E triad: E G# B and some
>|>emphasis on the dom7: D).  The mode is mixolydian (E is the fifth position)
>|>so the predominant scale is A major (A B C# D E F# G A  - note E is in the 5th
>|>position).  Thus we get E mixolydian (E F# G A B C# D E).  

>Sorry, but an error mars this optherwise excellent presentation.  The A major
>scale (and E mixolydian) contain G#, not G. This is very important, because the G# is a moajor Third, which maintains the major feel of the E chord.
>
> Joshua Yeidel               | yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu

Thanks Josh!  I knew I would mess up somewhere in that long ass post!

Later, Curt

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****** Mixolydian will bite you in the ass when you're not looking! ******