From: sdevries@fys.ruu.nl (Sjoerd de Vries)
Subject: Re: Teen Agent, Can you Hear Me? Teen Agent, Can You See Me? (was: Clay Shaw is Clay Bertrand, Oswald *was* a Teen Agent
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht,  The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:12:18 GMT

In <12AUG199221565540@summa.tamu.edu> mst4298@summa.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd) writes:

>In article <schuck.713597020@sfu.ca>, Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes...
>>Robert "Skeptical of one side only" Sheaffer >  writes:
>> 
>>David Wright >>

>>>Oswald was only 20 when he went to the USSR, supposedly as a "CIA
>>>operative." That means that his alleged training must have taken
>>>place while he was literally a teenager.

>>So. They train teenagers to fly fighter planes.

>	Since when? Last I checked, you have to be a college grad
>	to fly one.

>>They sent hundreds of thousands of teenagers to Vietnam.

>	"They" did so more by necessity than choice. Conscription
>	tends to keep the grunts young, especially when an unpopular
>	war keeps a lot of poeple from enlisting on thier own for
>	longer terms.

>	Anyway, how did these tenneagers do in 'Nam?


>>If you have any evidence that the CIA or other US agencies wait until
>>people are over 21 to send them off to die please post it.

>	Yeah, but the idea is for the spy not to die. They're there
>	to collect information. Generally specialized information.
>	That requires a specialist with a good deal of knowledge in
>	his specialty. 


>>There is evidence that the Office of Naval Intelligence had a program 
>>designed to infiltrate the USSR by having young military personnel act
>>disaffected and defect. The program may have infiltrated as many as 40
>>military personnel , some for only a few weeks , into the USSR.

>>Between 1945 and 1959, only 2 US military personnel defected to the USSR.

>>In the 18 months leading up to 1960, 11 men with military backgrounds
>>or backgrounds with access to sensitive data defected.

>>Just a coincidence -- I think not!

>	And what were these men supposed to find out? A defector would
>	be so controlled and scrutinized by the Soviets that they would
>	be of little or no use. Anyway, how many of these men returned?
>	How can you be a spy when the MVD/KGB, sure that you are a spy,
>	is keeping close tabs on you?

>	Which leads to the big question: what was Oswald supposed to
>	find out? Garrison claimed that Oswald had been sent over to
>	see whether or not U2's left contrails in the Soviet sky.
>	It's a bullshit claim --that feature could be checked over
>	other, safe pieces of territory. Furthermore, in an age of
>	radar, it's a moot point.
>	

It is surprising to see how little you know of the spy business.
(perhaps I'll have to update my assumptions about your link with
the CIA ;-) ). There are several reasons for sending out a fake defector,
obtaining information about the other side is just one of them.
Other reasons are:
1. Spreading disinformation.
2. Cast doubt on real defectors.
3. Hope the other side will use them as a spy of their own;
   after they send him back, you can use the triple-agent to
   feed more disinformation.

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