HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Dogs & Chromium (was Re: Large Breeds Showing Age)
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:28:02 GMT

In article <1ic6nbINNi5g@rave.larc.nasa.gov> mayor@virga.larc.nasa.gov (Shalini Mayor) writes:
>Our golden, Minnie, just turned 2 (yrs) and we have had her for a year now. (I
>adopted her from GRREAT, i.e., Golden Retriever Rescue Education and Training)
>I noticed this fall that her nose color changed from black to a pinkish-brown.
>I am not giving chromium (atleast I am not aware of giving it) or any medication.
>I did change her food from Science Diet (SD) maintenence to SD light. Does anyone 
>have any idea why this happened?
>
>Shalini
k


I don't know about goldens, but this is quite common in Siberian Huskies.
It is called a "snow nose."  The nose will often turn pinkish in the fall/winter
and return to all black in the spring/summer.  It is simply a pigmentation
change, not a problem or anything.  In Sibs, it is not a fault in the ring
either.  Again, I don't know about Goldens.

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OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Too much praise?!?
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: usa
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:27:22 GMT

Charlie Morss writes:
> [to avoid too much praise, should you reserve phases like
> "Good Boy" only for lessons or be less affectionate
> with your dog in general?]

No.  But you should withhold praise for behavior below criterion.  But
you should set criterion so the dog succeeds most of the time.  Thus
you create frequent opportunities for praise.  You just provide the
praise for qualifying behaviors only.  And you maintain a consistent
criterion.  Then as success approaches 100%, you gradually raise
the criterion.

> It seems it would make a dog like lesson time more if you are
> only affectionate during a lesson, but that seems a little tough

Right, and it's not necessary.  Affection outside of training doesn't
reduce the utility of praise in training.  As the EAB literature puts,
one of the advantages of social reinforcers is they don't satiate.  Or
as Mark Twain put it, "I can stand considerable petting!"

> [Bauman] says when praising, change what you say depending 
> on how hard an effort was required, i.e. "good dog" for average
> effort, "excellent dog" for an outstanding effort.

That's most people's intuition, too.  The data do not support it.
There is probably a small effect.  It's nowhere near as important as
setting your criteria well, applying them consistently, raising them
smoothly and gradually.

-- Jon
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mryan@stsci.edu
Subject: Great Dane rescue group?
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:15:25 GMT

Does anyone know of a Great Dane rescue organization, particularly in Maryland
or nearby?

I was visiting the SPCA animal shelter today and saw a purebred Great Dane
in one of the cages.  He was beautiful but so skinny, I could see all of
his ribs.  

Will somebody please slap me so I stop thinking about adopting him...

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Mary Ryan			mryan@stsci.edu
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: An Anti-Dog Trend Coming?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:29:18 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

On a more positive note, I usually see a few dogs when I go downtown here
in Ann Arbor.  None of the apartment complexes allow dogs, but it seems
that the private rental housing does.  We even have a 2 floor bookstore
which allows dogs.  They even keep dog treats at the counter. :)  

Karen

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu 
Subject: Re: Puppies Born!
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:19:00 GMT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University Computing Services, Norman, OK

In article <19472@mindlink.bc.ca>, Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop) writes...
>I just got a call from the breeder, my future Schnauzer baby was born on
>Friday! Four boys and three girls, all 11.5oz! I get to see them in four
>weeks...this is gonna be the longest 9 weeks in history :)
> 
>--
Hi!
	I'm just wondering why the breeder won't let the puppies go until
they are 9 weeks old.  Many obedience books recommend 7 weeks as the optimal
age for puppies to go to their new homes.  I was just wondering because we
are planning on breeding one of our Belgians (don't worry she is a champion,
OFA, Cerf, etc...).  Does any other breeders out there have opinions on this?
	Our Springer breeder told us we couldn't get him until he was 8 weeks
old.  But then she called us when the puppies were 7 weeks old and said "Please 
come get him!". She had changed her mind when the puppies learned how to
escape from the puppy pen and run all over the house!:-)

............................................................................
Kathy Greenwood                | Mom to 
Math Major (believe it or not!)|   Loucha and Landry (Belgian Sheepdogs)
University of Oklahoma         |   Ruger (English Springer Spaniel)
                               |   Elsa (German Wirehair Pointer)
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: megm@sco.COM (Meg McRoberts)
Subject: Re: dog myths (was Tea-totalling dog!)
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 08:28:27 GMT


In article <1992Dec28.001045.6997@midway.uchicago.edu> betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead) writes:
==> > It is a myth that dogs have less germs than humans.  (I learned that while
==> > working for a vet). 
==> 
==> I'm not so sure this is a myth.  The vet I worked for believed that dogs'
==> mouths were fairly sanitary.
[stuff deleted]

also, it could be that most of the germs in a dog's mouth
are host-specific germs that won't take up residence in
a human.  apparently the vast majority of germs are quite
host-specific.

just speculation -- i have no credentials on this subject ;-)

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: plocke@irvine.com (Perry Locke)
Subject: Please help name our dog
Organization: Irvine Compiler Corp., Irvine, California, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:55:32 GMT

I recently decided it was time to let the kids have a dog, for which
they had been asking for about the last six months. We decided on a
pound puppy that has a high percentage of black lab, plus a little who
knows what else.  He is totally black, except for a small white streak
on his chest as well as a few white hairs on each paw and his chin.
He was about 10 weeks old when we got him (exactly 1 week ago) and we
have been unable to agree on a name! Any suggestions that anyone can 
come up with would help us greatly towards naming the dog. Please
forward suggestions to
 
                        'cplocke@irvine.com'

If we choose the name that you submit (earliest post date for multiple
submittals) we will make you his godparent, send you a photo of him,
and grant weekend visitation rights!  Thanks in advance for your
responses.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: dag@seldon.control.lth.se (Dag Bruck)
Subject: Re: German Shepherds for Adoption
Organization: Department of Automatic Control, Lund, Sweden
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:54:25 GMT

In <rec.pets.dogs> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>Dan Sugalski writes:
>
>> The shelters need to take more of a role in doing temperament testing.
>
>Of course.  And in doing temperment training.  The former indicates
>where the latter is most needed and demonstrates when it has been
>accomplished.  The latter solves the problem.  This is an area where
>volunteers are critical for success, by the way.

Excuse my ignorance, but shelters are non-existing where I live.

As far as I can tell from r.p.d postings, many shelters only sell dogs
on a spay/neuter contract (or perform operation themselves).

Is it also common that shelters only sell dogs to buyers that promise
to take the dog to obedience or puppy class?  Can such a promise be
part of the contract?

>> Unfortunately, it's not a perfect world, and some people will continue
>> to dump dogs at the shelters.
>
>Sure.  But dogs also arrive at shelters for valid reasons, unavoidable
>tragedies.  Owner died.  Owner lost job.  Owner lost job nine months
>ago, has been unemployed since then, now must move to cheaper housing.
>Owner in jail.  Owner had heart attack.  Owner had to go to England to
>care for sick child.  And so on.

What percentage of the dogs at your shelter do you think arrived for
valid reasons, such as, the ones you listed?


				-- Dag
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From: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Subject: Re: A good book!
Reply-To: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:28:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.162826.23226@newshost.lanl.gov>, crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
|> Take a look also at _The Old Man and the Dog_.  Sorry, I can't
|> recall the author either.  It's actually a bit more
|> anthropormorphic than I normally like (the dog is the narrator) but
|> it's a good book about field trials (pointing dog variety) and the
|> author, in addition to providing an "autobiography" of Miss One
|> Dog, manages to give a pretty good description of the life of a
|> good (great?) field-trial dog.  This one almost sounds like fiction
|> but the jacket suggests its the real story.  Give it a look.
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> Best,
|> 
|> Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
|> 	  crs@lanl.gov

A long this same line, I read a book when I was about 8yo that I believe
was called "CH Dog, Prince Tom".  It was about a Man named Tom who trains
his Cocker (I think) who is named Prince Tom in obedience and field work.
P. Tom goes on to win all sorts of OB and Field titles. Seems like it was
loosely based on fact.  Has anyone ever read this book?

Kayti
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From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: puppy mills
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:20:12 GMT


As sad as it is, not everyone is educated about puppy mills.  It's such a
shocking and disgusting story, when the truth is revealed, that I think
the general public is attracted and repelled at the same time.  I think
people quickly put the thought out of their mind as too horrifying to believe.

I feel it is my responsibility to do a little something on this issue.  I've
never felt comfortable picketing, or organizing big efforts.  I just mention
it to anyone mentioning the concept of getting a new dog.  OK, so I risk
insulting 9 out of 10 people, dog lovers will understand.  I also make a
point of not buying anything from a pet store which sells dogs or cats.  Lately,
I've made a point of telling the store clerk why I am leaving their store
without buying anything.  It's not the clerk's fault, so I try to be polite,
but I want the message to trickle through to whoever it is that makes the
decisions.

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: philg@bozo.net.com (Phil Geller)
Subject: Re: Electronic collar info needed
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:05:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.131954.1182@mala.bc.ca> bigrasl@mala.bc.ca writes:
>I would very much like information on electronic collars.  
> ...
>	Lydia & Indy (Sir Trouble)

I've been very happy with the collar I have from Tri-tronics in Tucson, AZ.
They have a catalog you can call for.  There is an 800 number, if you
call 800 directory assistance.

I have the 3 button model (200A?), which is probably more than I needed.
It has variable strength shocks, and a good-dog tone which doesn't
do much.  It was around $600.  There is a $300 model which is seems
like a much better value.  It wasn't available when I bought mine.

They are very well designed and very effective.  My dog wouldn't
recall reliably before.  Now she does.  In our case (and also
in the case of another friend), we found that we use it almost
daily, since she will regress without occasional reminders.  It's
sort of like an insurance policy - if she ignores us, we can always
get her attention. I tend to believe the amount of reinforcement needed
has a lot to do with how good of a trainer you are.  But even if you 
aren't very good, the collars do work.

If you need a cheaper model (non-tritronics) let me know, and
I can get the name of a $200 model.

Good luck.

-- 
Phil Geller				Email: philg@net.com
Network Equipment Technologies 		Phone: (415) 780-4363
800 Saginaw Drive 			Fax:   (415) 780-5001
Redwood City, CA 94063
From: kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: training problem <sigh>
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:28:48 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <9301032124.AA2194@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org> ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>
>  It looks like Buffy's free time off leash is coming to an end. It's
>a bad idea to let your dog off leash is she can't be depended to
>return to you when you call her.  What if there were an emergency, and
>you had to have her back right aawa?  She could easily be hurt or
>killed if she picked that minute not to obey you.

Exactly my answer...give up and just not let her off lead anymore.  Don't
worry about a pro trainer if you aren't having any luck, or just training
indoors or in a fenced place til she does learn.  Just keep her tethered all
the time!

(For the humor impaired, I was being sarcastic!)

Kelly
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: German Shepherds for Adoption
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:46:06 GMT

Shepherds that are already on the planet are not hard to find.  Visit
your local animal shelter, SPCA, Humane Society, breed rescue
organization.  The supply of good homes is considerably less than the
demand and has been for some time.  The excess equates to abandoned or
euthanized Shepherds.

-- Jon
--
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kudzu@netcom.com (Michael Sierchio)
Subject: Re: Goldens as protection?
Organization: True Love, and Home-Grown Tomatoes
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:40:32 GMT

In article <2474@gandalf.intel.com> 
	davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas) writes:

>Actually a biting dog IS NOT GOOD protection either. My uncle who trained 
>police dogs, showed me how to disable a dog of any size and aggressiveness
>in about 2 seconds. 

Hah! That's assuming *you* aren't disabled first.  I'll wager you've never
been bitten hard by a trained dog.  A Rottweiler can crush *bone*, so be
careful about the boasts you make.
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From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re:  Poison Alert!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:18:56 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

<1993Jan11.171818.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
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Keywords: 

In article <1993Jan11.171818.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>
hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <64640041@hpcss01.cup.hp.com>, bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane
Bassett) writes:
>>......(danger from lunatic fringe animal activists at dog shows)...... 
>
>Awhile ago, when these sorts of incidents were discussed on r.p.d., was
>any absolutely credible evidence ever given to support claims that
>this was happening?  All I remember is the major flame war that
>erupted!
>
>Holly

Holly: Since you live in Kentucky, did you attend the Louisville cluster last
March? A frind of mine was showing her Newf there. She said that the PETA
people released some dogs from their crates at the show, causing great
pandemonium and chaos. The judging was suspended for a short
while. I don't know which day it was (Sat - Tues), but if you were there,
perhaps you can confirm or refute for us.

Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfs

p.s. Congrats on the conception (we hope) of your new puppy!
-- 
marget.johnson@daytonOH.NCR.COM
From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Coyotes and dogs
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:35:47 GMT
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support


In article <Stafford-110193154556@stafford.winona.msus.edu>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
>I live way out in the boonies and am taking care of a six 
>year old mutt (said affectionately) who is clearly frightened
>of coyotes.  Their howl sends her running to me for saftey.
>
>My question is Are coyotes dangerous to dogs?  Will they
>attack a domestic dog?  (I know that they are extremely
>wary of humans and I've never found their tracks near my
>house.)

Yes and yes.  I have even seen three coyotes take on a GSD at dusk.  Not for
long, as I ended it with three rounds.  All three later tested positive and my
friend had to quarrantine her dog for three weeks.  She now walks her dogs at
night with a rifle.  Looks real "Western"  :-)

Some friends in the Glendale Canyon area of LA lost three cats to coyotes one
summer.
>
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From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: thoughts on off-leash play
Date: 4 Jan 1993 14:11:16 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: merlin.think.com

In article <laird.725899671@stable.ecn.purdue.edu>, laird@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes:
|> (I'm still breathing hard from a bit of off-leash play, so I thought I'd
|> bring some things I've learned up for discussion.)
|> 
|> When she's "off-leash" I leave the leash connected to her; I figure it
|> slows her down a bit in a sprint. 

Since you brought this up for discussion, I thought I might mention
that the above practice can be dangerous.  My feeling is that once the
leash is attached, the dog should know that it's "romping time" is over
and behave accordingly.  During a romp, I do not want any leashes or
paraphenalia attached to my dog in a manner where it can trip them up,
get caught, or otherwise interfere in a non-controlled manner.

|> --kyler

-- 
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OS Software Engineer	| confronted by idiots, secure in the knowledge that
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Distribution: world
Date: Sat,  2 Jan 93 00:15:02 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject:    Bad Beagle Problems
Comment-To: IDMLH@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

 * Replying to a message originally to All
 > the least
 > an obnoxious child!  Since going into her first heat about 6
 > months ago
 > she's actually gotten better, but we're still having
 > tremendous problems
 > disciplining her.
 > 
 > She prefers not to listen to our commands.  She will go out
 > into the back
 > yard at 10pm and bark for 10 minutes straight and will ignore
 > our commands
 > unless we insert the "t" word (treat).  There are many, many
 > other instances
 > and examples I could write...but I don't want to write too
 > much!  So,
 > if anyone has any suggestions as to what to do...please tell
 > me!!!!
 > --- rfmail 1.1.J
  Your dog sounds like a brat!  It would be helpful though if you went
into some more detail about her behavior problem.
  Exactly why do you have this dog?  Is she your pet?  Are you hoping
to hunt with her, or show her?  Are you going to breed Beagles?
  I think part of what is going on with her is that you haven't make
it clear to the dog either what is expected of her.  She has learned
that she can manipulate you, and spend time thinking up thing that She
wants to do.  
  Your dog needs leadership!  You need to get straight in your own
mind why your dog is here, and what you want from her.  An obedience
class is a good place to start.
  Do you have a dog crate?  When she starts that barking late at
night, go get her and put her in the crate.  She will settle down.
Don't resort to bribing your own dog.  Pick up the reins and be the
boss.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
From: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Coyotes and dogs
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:08:16 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp

In article <Stafford-110193154556@stafford.winona.msus.edu>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
|> I live way out in the boonies and am taking care of a six 
|> year old mutt (said affectionately) who is clearly frightened
|> of coyotes.  Their howl sends her running to me for saftey.
|> 
|> My question is Are coyotes dangerous to dogs?  Will they
|> attack a domestic dog?  (I know that they are extremely
|> wary of humans and I've never found their tracks near my
|> house.)

The only problem I had with the coyotes in my neighborhood is that one
of the barn cats may disappear once in a while if it ain't smart. I have
seen domestic dogs run with a pack, but coyotes usually scavange or pick
on small animals.


-- 
Dave Karikas
Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon
davek@scooter.intel.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kudzu@netcom.com (Michael Sierchio)
Subject: Re: muzzles
Organization: True Love, and Home-Grown Tomatoes
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:47:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.174735.22349@informix.com> 
	 szeff@informix.com (Sharon Zeff) writes:

>I was wondering what the general concensus was on the use of muzzles to
>help curb aggression.  

They don't curb aggression -- they just curb biting.  And they are often
used in promoting aggression.  Don't expect a muzzle to change behavior --
that's a training exercise.
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