From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: OS/2 vs. AmigaOS [was Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon]
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:09:34 GMT
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dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas) writes:
>
>What has saddened me is to watch what has been an otherwise lucid poster here
>in the murky slime pits of the Internet descend to join the ranks of the
>anal-retentive.
>

How eloquent.  And insulting!  Very nicely done, David!  I bet you're proud
of yourself.

>
>Jerry, this is the second time where you have been anal like this.  I ignored
>it the first time, figuring you had other things on your mind.  I've said
>some pretty stupid things here on occasion as well, but twice in as many
>weeks?
>

I'm not sure what you mean here.  Do you think I should just sit back as I
get toasted by people whose sole basis for accusing me is an inadvertent
and overly emotional reaction to one of my comments?  Since when has speaking
in one's defense become "anal"?

>
>You are correct in that, in general and out of context, this is not precisely
>"bashing the Amiga".  You and I know, however, that this discussion has been
>hashed out here before, and there ARE people who have tried it.
>

Oh, I see.  So you too are accusing me of being an Amiga basher.  You could
have just said so, and spared us all your wonderful prose.

>
>When mindless banter about the Amiga's capabilities like the above occurs from
>someone who knows better, I would definitely call that Amiga bashing.
>

Ummm, what "mindless banter" is that?

>>
>>Am I missing something?  Did I say somewhere that you couldn't do this on
>>an Amiga?  The guy (Mike Haas) asked if I tried this under OS/2, and I said,
>>"No.  Have you?"  What's the big deal?
>
>The snide follow-on, which was completely unnecessary at best, and at worst,
>misleading to people who haven't been around here as long as the two of us.
>

Again you accuse me.  And again I say, "Nope, I meant precisely what I said,
nothing more."  When you have some proof of what you say, please post it.

>
>Draggable screens.  [I find these easier to track than MDI-type interfaces]
>

Agreed, although I personally don't see much difference between the two, and
it's more of an Amiga feature than an OS feature.

>
>Built-in voice synthesis.  [Base system :)]
>

Well, actually, this is something that exists in Windows 3.1 and a future
(Ultimedia) version of OS/2, although the hardware may not support it out of
the box.  On the other hand, we are not talking about hardware.

>
>More than four levels of fixed priorities [OS/2 1.3 comment.  Os/2 2.0?]
>

This may be.  I honestly don't know.

>
>Built-in support for Genlocks, including border blanking and Genlock
>bitplane control. [A-OS 2.0]
>

Yes.

>
>Better real-time response.
>

Proof, please?

>
>>IMHO, it's not like comparing an apple to an orange; we are, after all,
>>comparing two end-user operating systems.
>
>Indeed -- but in distinct response categories, which is an important
>difference to many people.  Indeed, OSes are often classified by their
>respective response time characteristics.
>

Response categories?!  Oh my.  Still making performance claims without proof,
David?

>
>Yes, people, be consistent.  Either we allow 3rd party PRODUCTS or not.
>BTW, in truth, the Bridgeboard is not a 3rd party product....
>

Then again, it's not part of the OS, is it?

>
>Jerry, as you have almost certainly not used VM on the Amiga, I think that
>referring to it as "VM kludges", especially when 2.0 is supposed to have
>VM hooks in it, also falls under the banner of "Amiga bashing".
>

So you agree that when the Amigoids call everything in the PC world a
kludge, it's just mindless bashing and whining, right?  I admit, my calling
3d-party VM addons "kludges" was just a reflex.

>
>That line of argument is just as valid as saying that Windows and DOS programs
>benefit from being run under OS/2 2.0.
>

I didn't say this eith...  Oops, am I being "anal" again, David?

>
>David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
>
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