From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:02:18 GMT

In article <WC4623.92Oct5134617@innis.yorku.ca> wc4623@innis.yorku.ca (Ming He) writes:
>
>And these kind of things should be switch to Talk.Politics.China
>gradually.

I won't. We are not polititians of any kind. My original idea was just to 
remind some CSS who didn't remenber our country. (I did learn such kind
of CSS exist.) No one (include dirty words users) can force others to change
the political points of view. From posting, we recalled some facts about 
our country. That's good enough. All people who love China are friends.
(Ai4 Guo2 Yi2 Jia1) Again a "copy from CCP textbook".
BTW: I didn't imply that the netters in talk.politics.china are all 
polititians.

>
>From jyw@phys.psu.edu:
>
>[What China won 43 years ago was a real INDEPENDENCE which China had
>not been having for about 100 years. Nothing can be more valuable than
>independence to a country.]
>
>First, after KMT, also known as Nationalist Party, tool the nominal
>control of the whole China and actual control of the most important
>areas in 1928, China was an independent country as my history
>acknowledgement.  Hence then, China never signed an inequivilent
>accord with foreign countries, except several in northern China before
                                ^^^^^^
>7.7 event under some circumstances (which is bullshit of KMT).

Good exceptions. A REAL independence has no such exceptions.

>
>Secondly, the richness of the country and people comparing with the
>independence of the country, is independence nothing more valuable?
>Since independent countries in the world do not seem better than the
>dependent countries which is especially true in the 3rd world
>countries.  The developed countries' invading of developing countries
>does hurt the people there.  But if there was invading from the west,
>we may still have pig-tails everybody or whatever other format.  And
>the nasty Japan during the WWII also built an advanced industry in
>north-east china and taiwan.
>
>The west's invading to other countries is out of their greedy.  That
>brought two affects: hurting and angry of the invaded countries, and
>promoting the development of those countries.  Hence there were many
>Chinese went abroad to search the way to made China stronger, i.e. not
>being exploited by others.  I have such a thinking when I was a high
>school student.
>

I don't like the idea of "300 years of colony". This idea had been,
in some sense, tested before 1949, no sign says it works.

>
>From jyw@phys.psu.edu:
>
>[Mao Ze-Dong had many mistakes, but he and his comrades left us a
>strong country, an independent country.
>
>
>Every Chinese benefits from his/her homeland by being respected
>because China has stood up.]
>
>China is strong only true in two area: 1)large area and population,
>2)seemly strong military force esp. with nuke weapons.
>
>And Chinese are not being respected, aren't they?  I am wondering
>where did you get such an impression Chinese were respected?  I'd
>loved to have a trip to such a place. :-) BTW, I am planning to go
>back to China within 3 years.

Good point, Ai4 Guo2 Yi4 Jia1. I respect you. You are certainly being
respected by many people around.

>
>From jyw@phys.psu.edu:
>
>[Just a remind, today is our National Day. Nothing can be more
>valuable than independence. US could be a friend, but China is our
>country.]
>
>You are right.  We should celebrate for our country.
>
>
>
>rom Carl, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu:
>
>[Sound so familar. The above article reminds me of the "CCP History"
>class I had many years ago. Kind of funny.]
>
>And from SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu:
>
>[ This is a copy from stand CCP's text book.]
>
>Same feeling.
>

Two more copies can be found above if someone likes to define some truth as
"copy of CCP's text book."

>From haiqiu@ducvax.auburn.edu:
[see original]

Long, but told many fatcs and truth. Don't rate his points of view as
"copy of ...".

>Following is network garbage generated from SCC.  Once I saw in
>another group an article called for rmgroup of SCC due to these junks.
>IMHO, these kind of things can be generally kept in private mail.
>
>From SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu:
>
>[ Watch out your ass. You are pissing at the public.
> If your father didn't teach you how to behavoir yourself,
> then I am sure your mother had trouble to identify who is
> your genetic father. I even doubt if you ever had an adopt
> father.]
>

"Copy" of anything? 

>Should Chinese, educated Chinese, behave like this?
>

>Cheers for our country,

We do.

>
>ming
>--
>Ming  He
>"My .sig is in bad mood...

Good review. How did you include so many posts? 
Thank you for a lot of works done.