HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!hpcc05!hpbbn!hpbbi4!mik@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (#Michele Isernia)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: Re: HP OSF plans and *preserving* my investment
Date: 2 Apr 92 11:47:58 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Hewlett-Packard GmbH

I would like to add something regarding "flames" I've seen
'cause of an answer I wrote...

1) I've seen flames coming on the internet for two years;
   I've agreed with most of those, also because, being an
   Apollo employee, I've had problems too looking at some
   of our (Apollo) technolgies fading out...
2) We cannot complain forever and not tring sometimes to
   reset out mood and try find the bset available solution
   to our problems...
3) I think it's time to be positive,...I mean accept some
   storical situations (some HP decisions are no more
   reversible...), and take advantage of the fact that now
   HP is on the right tune.

This is the message I'd like to pass, ..pls. stop to use
this group (internet) as a psycological relief of our bad
mood, and start to ask and reply to concrete and feasible
things...
HP is still open for a lot of possibilities, but not to
rethink the "DN10k" or "Domain/Os" decisions...
We can try to help you solve the problem created by those
decisions....

It's possible that our help is not going to solve completly
your problems, but, believe me, we are trying to do our best.


Mik.
(...Mik is my login, because my Italian name is pretty difficult
 and sometimes my name is taken as a "female" name,..and it's not..)
From: email!swdsrv.edvz.univie.ac.at!merlin.par.univie.ac.at!peter@uunet.uu.net (Peter Kutschera)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: Re: Xdomain woes
Date: 2 Apr 92 06:48:05 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Austria
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In article <1992Apr1.163223.13942@lmpsbbs.mot.com>, gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com (Gordon Berkley) writes:
|> 
|>     4)  Finally, WHERE IS THE ALT/META KEY?
|> 
> Aargh!
|> 
|> --
|> [  Gordon D. Berkley    INTERNET: gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com   POST: cgb001   ]
|> [  PHONE: +972 (3) 565-8727      FAX: +972 (3) 565-8754      (UTC-2)         ]


To get an <meta> try the following:
create a file ~/.xmodmaprc :

  ! {25. 3. 1992              Peter Kutschera}
  ! Die Taste darf in keyboard.config NICHT excluded sein:
  ! The key may mot be excluded in keyboard.config !!
  ! (/etc/Xapollo -K /usr/X11/lib/keyboard/keyboard.config -D1 s+r-) &
  !
  keysym KP_Decimal = Meta_L
  add mod2 = Meta_L

and do a 
   xmodmap .xmodmaprc
in your login-file.

NOTE: The <meta> can't be used for any other purposes now, even in the
      Apollo displaymanager (DM)!
NOTE: The 2nd time you log in you will get an error-message: ignore the
      message!

-- 
Peter Kutschera



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From: bonnetf@apo.esiee.fr (Frank Bonnet)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: HP-UX robustness ...
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:50:48 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
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Hi,

We are testing two 710 machines here and we have been very 
surprised by the fact that running a public domain software
named "crashme" in a normal user mode ( not root ) 
The machine crash completely !!! 

This program is very efficient to test the robustness of
an operating system . 

We are running the 8.05 version of HP-UX, is the 8.07 more
robust ?

On the apollo it crash the PROCESS with an error message
but NOT the machine !

The "crashme" program is available on a lot of archives
sites.

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From: bcstec!robs@uunet.uu.net (Robert Sipe)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: crpppppping
Date: 24 Mar 92 23:26:31 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Boeing

I have a dsp that  will not let me crp to it.  I have tried recycling
the spm and mbx_helper.  I have remade /dev/crp?*.  I opened the acls
on /dev (/sys/node_data/dev).  The error message I continue to get is
crp -on //dsp35005 -me
?(crp) Can't create remote process - name noe found
?(crp) Check (1) Remote SPM running, (2) Remote program exists

Any ideas???
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!spool.mu.edu!cserver!edsi!chuck@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Chuck Tomasi)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: HP IIId w/Postscript
Date: 2 Apr 92 20:13:56 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

System Synopsis:
	Apollo Token Ring, v7.0 software (transitioning to v8.0 slowly),
with DN[345]XXX, and 400/425t machines all running SR10.3.5.3.

We're looking at getting IDE case tools to use on our systems, however
we want to know if (and how) we can use IDE with Apollo/Mentor printing
mechanisms (/sys/print.)

Has anyone connected an HP IIId to an Apollo Domain/OS system with
Mentor Graphics printer servers?

How did you get IDE to output PS files so the Mentor servers would pick
them up and print them?
-- 
Chuck Tomasi             |     "Mom, it's Data.  I heard you know
chuck@edsi.plexus.COM    |      how to turn him on." 
spool!cserver!edsi!chuck |                    -Wesley  "Datalore"
------<Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton Wisconsin>------
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.iastate.edu!destroyer!caen!union.engin.umich.edu!conliffe@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Darryl C. Conliffe)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: Any known problems subnetting with SR10.2 (repeat)
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:24:21 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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I have been asked if there are any known problems subnetting a C
class internet address using SR10.2?  I hadn't heard of any, but
also had not had to do it.  Recommendations/observations? (besides
waiting for 10.4? :=)
[This may be a repeat - am not sure of the original posting.]
--
___________________

 Darryl C. Conliffe  conliffe@caen.engin.umich.edu  (313) 721-6069
-------------------
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!news-server.ecf!helios.physics.utoronto.ca!alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca!system@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: Re: unifying UID's for NFS
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:12:30 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
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In article <1992Apr7.155301.6468@email.tuwien.ac.at> root@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at writes:
>1) Is it possible to unify all GID's and UID's.
>   There are reserved UID's and GID's on all 3 types of machines (Apollo,DEC and SUN)
>
>   GID     apollo         sun         dec         HP-UX
>
>   0       wheel          wheel       system      root
>   2       prakti         kmem        uucp        bin
>   3       bin            bin         rsrv3       sys
>   4       local          tty         bin         adm
>   5       tty            operator    tty         daemon
>   6       mail           news        kmem        mail

I have added HP-UX to the above list :-(. I consider the UID problem
as more serious than the GID mess, though GIDs are important for
some subsystems.
This issue was raised at the recent Interworks SysAdmin conference,
and is a royal pain for users; I think HP got that impression, and
they said they will look into it. As a rule, this is only a real
problem when you want to mess with remote files over NFS, which is
something I try to avoid doing when dealing with "system" files that
are not owned by root. Note that the original permissions are retained
on existing files, but new ones will be created incorrectly.
I have never tried to "unify" the UID/GIDs - the major problem with
this is doing it automatically, correctly and completely, then
you will have to re-do it after every OS upgrade.
-- 
What are the chances that any computer system will ever "work" properly?
... and Slim just left town. -*- Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
From: sdd.hp.com!apollo!apollo2!sanders@hplabs.hpl.hp.com (Al Sanders)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: Re: libc.a??? Where is it??
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:31:02 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
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In article <1992Apr6.104930.1524@brandonu.ca> weingartner@brandonu.ca writes:
>
>What gives??  How do I get a libc.a for my DN3500
>Domain/OS 10.3 - BSD4.3??
>

The library /lib/libc shipped with Domain/OS is a global shared library.
External references to routines in this library will automatically be
resolved dynamically at program load time.  The same applies to system
calls in /lib/clib and any other library declared global in the file
/etc/sys.conf at boot time.  There is no need for you to link libc.a
with your applications.  You may remove this file name from your link
command for Domain/OS

Al Sanders
Hewlett-Packard OSSD/CSSL
sanders@apollo.hp.com
(508)436-4921
From: bcstec!robs@uunet.uu.net (Robert Sipe)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: Re: Apollo <--> Sun tapes?
Date: 24 Mar 92 23:17:59 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: boeing

In article <68749@ut-emx.uucp> guccione@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Steve Guccione) writes:
>
>Is there any way to read Apollo 1/4 inch cartridge tapes on a Sun (or
>vice-versa)?  Sorry if this is a FAQ.
>
>-- Steve
>-- 3/20/92

We have done this at our site.  To read an Apollo tape on a Sun you
need to tar the file on the Apollo.  So, 

$ /bin/sh

to invoke an UNIX shell on the Apollo.  Next, type 

> tar cv [file1] [file2] ...

your Sun should be able to read the data.

You may have to specify the /dev/rct8 device on your Apollo.
You should be able to read the data back the same way.  
Good Luck.
From: email!vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at!achim@uunet.uu.net (Achim Karpf)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: Connect Apollo-Monitors to other Sytems?
Date: 25 Mar 92 14:45:24 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Technical University of Vienna


We would like to connect our 19" Apollo color monitors (Model No:
008398-001) of our Apollo`s series 3000 to another UNIX-Workstaions. 
But we have the following problem.

The Apollo color monitor has only 3 lines, (R)ed, (G)reen, (B)lue with
the syncronisation signals on Green. Our other system has 5 lines
(R)ed, (G)reen, (B)lue, horizontal and vertical sync. 

Has anybody ever tried to perform such a connection. Could anybody
give us any hints or tell us where to get the circuit of the monitor.

Ansers please directly, if possible!

		Thanks, Achim!











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From: tron!kerr@uunet.uu.net (Dave Kerr)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: proxy arp on the apollos?
Date: 30 Mar 92 22:14:53 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Westinghouse Electric Corporation, Baltimore MD.

Does anybody know if the apollos can support proxy arp under SR 10.3? If
not is it supported under SR10.4?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Dave

-- 
Dave Kerr (410) 993-8554
tron::kerr                 Internal WEC vax mail
kerr@tron.bwi.wec.com      from an Internet site
...!uunet!tron!kerr        uucp
From: SP02038%SWTEXAS.BITNET@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: Re: Still Lookin For GIF viewer
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:45:00 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
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        We have copies of public domain gif viewers for GPR and X windows.
        We have ported them to Domain/OS SR10.2.  If you would like a copy
        of them, send me e-mail.


        Shaun Pankau
        Unix System Administrator for CS Dept.
        Southwest Texas State University
        SP02038@SWTEXAS.bitnet
        sp02038%swt.decnet@relay.the.net
From: eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!ugle.unit.no!hanche@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Harald Hanche-Olsen)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: Re: Apollo <--> Sun tapes?
Date: 25 Mar 92 12:44:01 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: The Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim, Norway.

In article <2107@bcstec.boeing.com> robs@bcstec.boeing.com (Robert Sipe) writes:

   In article <68749@ut-emx.uucp> guccione@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Steve Guccione) writes:
   >
   >Is there any way to read Apollo 1/4 inch cartridge tapes on a Sun (or
   >vice-versa)?  Sorry if this is a FAQ.
   >

   We have done this at our site.

I bet you have, but there are caveats.  The funny sounds you are
hearing is me looking through old files ... ah, here it is - what I
wrote up about it a couple years ago, presumably still valid:
--------
APOLLO supports the new QIC 24 Tape Format only. Sun supports the
(obsolete?) QIC 11 (default) and QIC 24 formats.  Some older Suns do
not support QIC 24.

If you write tar tapes on a Sun please use the QIC 24 format.
This corresponds to the Sun nrst8-11 devices, for instance 
the /dev/nrst8.  For more information, you may try 'man 4 intro'
and 'man 4s st' on your Sun.

Then the archive can be read with the Apollo /dev/rct12 
device.
--------
Since then, newer suns support still another (higher density) QIC 150
format.  However they still support QIC 24, which is the only format
supported on the Apollos.
--
Harald Hanche-Olsen <hanche@imf.unit.no>               I eat my peas with honey
Division of mathematical sciences                      I've done it all my life
The Norwegian Institute of Technology             It makes the peas taste funny
N-7034 Trondheim NORWAY                          But it keeps them on the knife
From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lambda.msfc.nasa.gov!destroyer!umich!terminator!pisa.citi.umich.edu!rees@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Jim Rees)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: Re: How do you change swap space on a 400t?
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:47:38 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Michigan IFS Project
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In article <1992Apr2.215819.11318@polari.com>, lampi@polari.com writes:

  First, swap space consists of the free disk space on your boot disk...
  I understand that this is changing in 10.4 and swap space can be placed on
  disks other than the boot volume.

Are you sure?  I thought this was changed in sr10.3, maybe before.  If not,
then what does /etc/swapon (and the swapon() system call) really do?
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!spool.mu.edu!cserver!edsi!chuck@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Chuck Tomasi)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: smail3 configuration under sys5.3
Date: 2 Apr 92 19:19:42 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

We're running a sys5.3 environment under Domain/OS 10.3.5 and have had
smail3.1.25 running for months, however until recently we've only needed
UUCP (and local) connections.  We have been using the sys5.3 file from
os/conf and the generic-unix DRIVER_CONFIGURATION.  I'm a little
confused on how to get it to start using TCP/IP without using BSD
networking.  I want it to read from the /etc/hosts file and make SMTP
connections, but if I tell it to use the DRIVER_CONFIGURATION
bsd-networking it goes off looking for header files that don't exist in
the sys5.3 world and bombs out.

My main question:

Has anyone got smail3.1.25 running SMTP on an Apollo Domain/OS system in
where SYSTYPE=sys5.3?

If so, what does your conf/EDITME file look like?

Please e-mail any information to the address below.
-- 
Chuck Tomasi             |     "Mom, it's Data.  I heard you know
chuck@edsi.plexus.COM    |      how to turn him on." 
spool!cserver!edsi!chuck |                    -Wesley  "Datalore"
------<Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton Wisconsin>------
From: j.g.owen@birmingham.ac.uk (Dr John Owen)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: Displaying Image Files
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:28:12 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
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Via: sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15: 23:57 +0100

One of my users is looking for software that will display (a) Sun Raster,
(b) Postscript and (c) TIFF files directly on DN3000/3500 and 400s? Anyone
know of cheap/free packages? (Expensive ones considered if absolutely no
alternative!)

Thanks in advance

John Owen
From: bonnie.concordia.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!access.usask.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!sriniv@uunet.uu.net  (Suresh Alex Srinivasan)
Subject: Logout problems
Organization: Dept. of E.E., U of Alberta, Edmonton,Canada
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 19:44:04 GMT
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 We have two DN2500 workstations connected to five Wyse 30 terminals and a
Centronics printer.

 Recently, people who work on the terminals have been logout automatically.
It happens on both machine and to all terminals.  Below is the ttys file
for one workstation.
#
# ttys - terminal initialization data
# 
#device	getty/program		term	on/off	other flags	comment

console	"/etc/dm_or_spm"	apollo	on	secure		# use mkcon to redirect console output
display	none			apollo	off	secure		# DM pad devices
tty01  "/etc/getty std.4800"    wy50    on      secure
tty02   "/etc/getty std.4800"   wy50    on      secure
tty03   "/etc/getty std.4800"   wy50    on      secure

The machine seems to logout users most frequently when there is a full load.

Any assistance on this matter is appreciated.
From: van-bc!wolfe.wimsey.bc.ca!rsoft!agate!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lambda.msfc.nasa.gov!destroyer!umich!terminator!pisa.citi.umich.edu!rees@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Jim Rees)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: Re: Another depressing libXt bug
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:36:18 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Michigan IFS Project
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In article <1992Apr8.170538.5806@ttsi.lonestar.org>, mse@ttsi.lonestar.org (Mark Evans) writes:

  For those interested, here is another libXt bug exposed by xfig
  V2.1.3:

This works fine with my x11r4lib, available by ftp from archive.umich.edu.

I still suspect these bugs are due to some bad interaction between the r3
and r4 libraries.  The r4 libraries have to be compiled with -nosys (or
equivalent) to keep them from trying to use data structures in the r3 global
libs.  If you don't do this, everything almost works, but you sometimes find
a client that won't work.  I ran in this mode for weeks, and my xterm and
other clients never complained until I tried to run twm.
From: email!mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at!root@uunet.uu.net (System PRIVILEGED Account)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: unifying UID's for NFS
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:53:01 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Technische Universitaet Wien
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 I'm planning to install NFS 2.3 on our Apollo-token-ring and to
mount the disk of a Decstation 5000/125 (ULTRIX 4.3) and a SUN SPARC SLC
into the net-root-directory of the token-ring. The Apollos run Domain_OS 10.3.5
(2 DN3010 diskless, 1 DN3500 diskless, 2 DN3500 with disk, 1 DN400 with disk
1 425/t with disk).

 My questions are:

1) Is it possible to unify all GID's and UID's.
   There are reserved UID's and GID's on all 3 types of machines (Apollo,DEC and SUN)

   GID     apollo         sun         dec

   0       wheel          wheel       system
   2       prakti         kmem        uucp
   3       bin            bin         rsrv3
   4       local          tty         bin
   5       tty            operator    tty
   6       mail           news        kmem   
       
                 ect.

    Do I get problems if I change the GID on 2 machines to match the 3rd ?
   I imagine ther may be system-calls which assume a certain GID to be related
   to a specific group without querying the /etc/group-file.

2) Do Domain-ACL have problems with rwx-permissions of files on a NFS-mounted
   foreign disk.

Thanks for comments and advices

   
-- 


                          Thomas Hollunder  thomas@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
          Institute for Computer Languages  Phone: +43 222 58801 4476
           University of Technology Vienna         +43 663 81 87 709
Argentinierstr. 8/13, 1040 Vienna, Austria  Fax:   +43 222 505 38 78
From: micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!ns-mx!iworks!librarian@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (InterWorks librarian)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
Subject: Re: Displaying Image Files
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:04:34 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Apollo Domain Users' Group (ADUS)
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The newest version of xv(2.11) from export.lcs.mit.edu should do what you
want. It will compile on 10.3 using the 6.8 version of the compiler. I am
in the process of bringing a compiled version into the  library in
the next few weeks or so...

Dave Shaw