From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: RE: Cheap Animation
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 01:16:59 EST

In article <n1083t@ofa123.fidonet.org>
Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
 
>
> U> What exactly DO you want, Maximus?  You basic point
> U> (which you love to say
> U> many, many times over) is that you can't stand girls
> U> with big eyes in battles.
> U> That's fine. You also seem to have an aversion to
> U> violence.  That's fine, too.
> U> But, can't you just chalk that up to your personal preference
> U> and go watch Disney?  I haven't even seen most of
> U> these things that y'all
> U> are talking about, but they don't sound any worse
> U> than your typical American
> U> action movie...does animation somehow have to be treated differently?
> Animation for one is a fine artform and I don't want to see it ruined with
>slut girls that look like sex objects and needless blood and gore.   Did any
>of you see what happened Labor Day of 1991 when Central Park Media embarassed
>everyone with that pronographic animated feature they showed up at a con in
>San Jose ("I Give My All") it was on all the TV news out here and on "A
>Current Affair".  That isn't what animation is all about, it is sad to see
>when companies must bring over trash like that and glorify it as good
>animation.
> People like Miyazaki and companies like Disney know what is quality animation
>is.   It is sad that there must be bad apples that must produce prono
>animation or dump as many saucered-eye girls into an animated feature and try
>to pass it off as quality.  It does seem this isn't the rule but the
>exception.  But we do need to prevent trash and slut like "I Give My All" from
>being called quality.  (Or trash like Bubble Gum Crisis and Project A-Ko).
>Hopefully more quality stuff like Miyazaki will be released here and the
>numerous # of titles you have mentioned as being good pieces of Japanimation
>(the non saucered-eye, girls with guns trash) being released instead of people
>who make nothing but saucered-eye girls and blood and gore.  Animation doesn't
>need crap like prono and horror when it is just starting to become very
>popular with everyone (as evidenced by the Disney films).
>
>--- Maximus 2.00
 
   Since I don't check this newsgroup very often, I'm not going to read all the
articles in this thread (there's just too many piled up), but if we are going
to discuss pornography vs. fine art in animation, then a good example would be
Bakshi's _Fritz the Cat_, the first (and as far as I know the only) widely
released piece of animation given an X rating.
   I saw it a few years ago, and for the most part, the plot was an (IMO)
overdone satire about a college student bleeding heart who didn't know any
better (causing more harm than good for causes in which he had no real
understanding) vs. the tyranical government cops and soldiers.
   My quibbles about its plot and satire being overdone aside, the film was
filled with sex, violence, and frontal nudity (of humanized cats and pigs)
but in the context of the film, it made sense.
   Also it contains (IMO) a brilliant sequence where a crow (a demonstrator)
is dying when he is shot by the cops (pigs.)
   Do you think this is a good use of animation?
          Junsok Yang
 
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