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From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why are we different?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:16:21 GMT
Organization: ~/lib/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu

In article <1993Jan9.205244.17501@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>China won all three Math/Physics/Chemistry Olympiads this year,
The Chinese also got the Computing Science Gold.
>The typical Chinese-cu have little regard for education.  The people
>from China, who win those awards, come from the top 5%[1] of their society.
>and Japan but is still lower.
>
>Being able to educate the elite does not mean a thing for the nation.
The recent US ETS test results of the AVERAGE 13 year old from
around the world(I assume ETS(Educational Testing Service) is scientific)
rank China FIRST with 80 points, USA 15th with 55 points and Japan below
no. 20 in MATH aptitude. South Korean and Taiwan ranked 2nd and the
rest mostly European countries in the top 20.
>
>>I don't think Beijing Univ is easier to get into than Tokyo Univ or Harvard
>>(Beijing Univ is probably THE hardest school in the WORLD to get into:
For your information, Beijing U. DID NOT got targeted freshmen quota
2 years running and HAD to lower admission standards than other big
schools the last 2 years!!!
Dweight, don't assume poorer China can not be better than "Rich" Japan.
Get your facts together before you open your big mouth!!!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: paulko@wolf.cs.washington.edu (Paul Ko)
Subject: Re: WANTED Open-Minded Asian Woman (from open minded black guy)
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:42:03 GMT

an960@anon.penet.fi wrote:

: Second, why does it mean that I am not open-minded just because I restrict
: my request to Asian-American women?  

Because that's not open minded. You seem to be looking for a race, not a person.


: You forget I am Black in the first place;

And this makes it different for you somehow?

: I must be somewhat open-minded to have interests in Asian women and to be
: an avid reader of s.c.a.a in the first place.  

Maybe different, maybe willing to go out on your own, but maybe you are trading
one kind of closed-mindedness for another.


: BTW, how many homeboys down
: in the hood have you seen hitting on all the sweet little Korean and Chinese
: girls who work in the little corner stores in their neighborhoods?  Not many,
: I presume.  

You'd be surprised, but that's not the issue. But they're not 'sweet' and 'little'.


: While working on my degree, it just so happened that I had several
: meaningful relationships with As-Am women; relationships which were much more
: rewarding than any I have ever experienced with Black or White women.  

Great. Do what makes you happy. But ask yourself if you are dating a person, or if you
are dating a race.


: If you feel I am closed minded, so be it.  However, you couldn't be farther from the truth!


Name what your looking for in women, and I bet I could name a dozen non-Asian women with
those characteristics.

No kidding.


Paul Ko.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: WANTED Open-Minded Asian Woman (from open minded black guy)
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:10:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.144829.2666@almserv.uucp> g9utxu@fnma.COM writes:
>In article 2204@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com, lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
>>First of all it should be pointed out that the bozo (an4767) in Ohio is
>>not thr same AfAm person (an960) who posted the orig. article (see
>>enclosed articles from TU and Clare).
>>
>>------------------------------------ 
>>
>>From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
>>
>>In article <1993Jan6.161315.1496@fuug.fi> an960@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>                                          ^^^^^
>>>I am the individual who posted originally, and to answer some of my
>>>expected critics, NO I am not the guy who likes techno and is 24 living in
>>>Cincinatti.  I am 22, and on farther East.
>>
>>  Well then don't post from that anonymous site because if you read
>>  this group you'd see that someone who thinks Chinese girls are bimbos
>>  is also posting from that address, as well as the guy living in
>>  Cincinatti.  It looks like the address is in Finland!
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Thanks for the clarification. But the following is the original post:
>
>>>> >In article <1993Jan6.142309.11254@fuug.fi>, an3879@anon.penet.fi writes:
>                                                 ^^^^^^
>
>Now I'm confused !!!
>
> 
>>>> >> I know several Chinese girls.  It seems that all the Chinese girls 
>>>> >> that I know who grew up or were born here in America are bimbos.
>>>> >> They wear tons of makeup, use disgusting perfume, smile too much
>>>> >> (I'm talking about fake and insincere smiles), wear clothes that
>>>> >> are too tight and skirts that are too high, and just all around
>>>> >> too gung ho American.
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> I hate them, every time I see one of them I just want to throw up.
>>>> >
>
>

Ok TU, no need to be confused.  I went into s.c.china and was surprised
that the bozo's article is still there.  He is at an4767, not an3879.  I am
enclosing the article here and you should double check with s.c china
yourself.  (Sorry folks for taking up so much bandwidth)

Dan 

------- cut here ------

From lmpsbbs!mothost!ftpbox!uunet!mcsun!fuug!anon Fri Jan  8 11:45:26 CST 1993
Article: 48959 of soc.culture.china
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: an4767@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Single Male (OH) seeks East Asian Female
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.china
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 00:04:29 GMT


Hi,

I am a single male in Cincinnati, ISO a single east asian woman in the
Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana area. I am 5'8", 170 lbs, black hair, brown eyes
and 25 years old. My interests include dancing, going to plays and shows,
discovering new restaurants etc etc ... I like classic rock, progressive
and some techno music like KWS. 

If you are in the general area of Cincinnati and are interested in 
exchanging email, talking, or getting together, let me know. 

Oh ... all I desire in a person is an open mind and a sense of adventure :-).



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From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: anonymous accounts
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:57:17 GMT
	<AfHKAxe00Uh_80wfYI@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


   ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:

   [re: the problem of anonymous accounts and inability to do 
        anything about it]

  No! there is something one can do. And I did it. I have send this
  individuals post to the office of the FBI here in Pittsburgh, PA. With
  a strong letter based of the FCC communications act of 1992
  Article125; section 14. Profanity and other opinionws are
  protected(under most circumstances)by Freedom of speech) but it is
  against the law to impersonate a person(s) or group under the aegis of
  anonymaity. I am very mad at this indidvidaul. Call it sqeal,stooly or
  whatever!  This person will answer to this crime. Silly Question your
  burned buddy. If you have any questions come to Pittsburgh, PA. That's
  303 Renova St, in Hazelwood, pittsburgh PA 15207. And you can deal on
  a personal level.  Before you go to jail that is..

As long as we're making up non-existent crimes to charge people with,
how about if I send a "strong letter" to the FBI pointing out your
attempt to practice law without a license?  You might get a long
sentence, since lawyers don't like people dispensing legal advice who
can't even distinguish between anonymity (usually legal) and fraud
(usually illegal).  However, they may well decline to prosecute since
your letters are probably a continuing source of amusement for them.

It's interesting (and somewhat depressing) that many people want some
kind of Mr. Authority Figure to come in and save them from the "bad"
people on the net who say things that are "offensive".

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: Media Stereotypes: The Solution
Keywords: mainstream
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:52:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.194834.1627@hspice.portal.com> georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:
>>But then the question is will movies that have an Asian as the
>>leading male be able to make money in this racist country?
>
>[...]
>I think it'll be a cold day in Hell before you see an AA star in the lead
>role of a mainstream American movie.

Hmm, I don't share your pessimism.  I think it'll happen.  In fact, doesn't
Brandon Lee already qualify?  I believe _Rapid Fire_ was released through a
"mainstream" American movie studio, wasn't it?  I saw some "mainstream"
American TV ads promoting the movie, and it was playing at the "mainstream"
American theater close to where I live, not at the artsy-fartsy-we-show-
Bergman-and-other-foreign-films-here place that I occasionally go to.  Later
on, it moved to the "mainstream" dollar theater also close to where I live,
and I assume it will someday show up at the "mainstream" video rental place
also close to where I live, or on the "mainstream" pay-TV services I'm going
to unsubscribe to very soon.

In fact, wouldn't you say John Lone in _Last Emperor_ also qualifies?  It
won a mainstream Oscar for Best Picture.

However, I don't know how much money either movie made.

Really, it depends on how you define "mainstream American movie."

Jim
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: Re: bimbos
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:35:27 GMT

In article p00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com, christil@uts.amdahl.com (Christine Lee) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan7.140752.23612@almserv.uucp>, g9utxu@fnma.COM
>(Tanin Uthayanaka) writes: 
>> In article d7h103DBc7kV00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com,
>christil@uts.amdahl.com (Christine Lee) writes: 
>> >In article <1993Jan6.142309.11254@fuug.fi>, an3879@anon.penet.fi
>> >writes: 
>> >> I know several Chinese girls.  It seems that all the Chinese girls 
>> >> that I know who grew up or were born here in America are bimbos.
>> >> They wear tons of makeup, use disgusting perfume, smile too much
>> >> (I'm talking about fake and insincere smiles), wear clothes that
>> >> are too tight and skirts that are too high, and just all around
>> >> too gung ho American.
>> >> 
>> >> I hate them, every time I see one of them I just want to throw up.
>> >
>> >ha ha ha ha!  You are too funny!
>> 
>> I hope you're being sarcastic 'cause I don't think he meant it as a joke.
>> 
>> Are you Chinese ? If you are then aren't you offended ?
>> 
>> TU
>
>Yes, I am Chinese.  And, no, I wasn't offended.  It's not worth it to
>get all worked up over something like what he said!  I don't think his
>posting was worth more than what I responded with simply because he is
>applying a generalization to a large group of people.  If you know
>that you don't fit into his generalization (stereotype), then you
>shouldn't care at all about what he said!  You don't need to prove
>that you don't fit into what he described if you know that you don't
>fit that description!  
>
You are too kind (I'm being sincere). May be you're right not to give this man much 
attention and may be I'm just reading to much into what he's saying. I wonder how 
you would feel if you were in a party and someone said the same thing no matter 
if he was speaking directly to you or not. Would you react the same ??



Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Asian american males with African american females
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:17:08 GMT

In article <1iss80INN2eb@uwm.edu> nina@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Shenina Louise Jones) writes:

>         I'm a new poster on this net and I was wondering:  Do any 
>Asian-american men find African-american women attractive?  I've never 
>really read or seen this combination anywhere in the U.S.  I read the 
>many postings, but haven't read anything about this... Any thoughts?

     Yes, but I think it's uncommon.  One traditional mark of beauty in several
Asian cultures is light skin color.  Since Asian Americans consist of a large
number of recent immigrants, it's likely a significant fraction hold these
traditional ideas of beauty.

     In addition, many non-American societies have racial prejudices against
blacks, which includes African Americans as far as they are concerned.  Again,
considering the proportion of Asian Americans raised abroad, some AsAms will
hold these prejudices.

     However, I do not intend to say that AsAm men are never attracted to AfAm
women.  I can think of several such women who are quite attractive.

							George


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: AA & sports Re: Media Stereotypes: The Solution
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:42:58 GMT

In article <C0KFFD.FpC@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.135116.20389@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
>>I noticed that a lot of AA parents dont encourage their kids to
>>excellll in sprot as much as they do encourage them to do well in music.
>
>That is true. Because most AA parents want their children to enter the
>upper classes, and thus should be given a more "classical" education

Hmm interesting ... looks like i am having some very bad influences on
my niece ... but  if she makes it to some college volleyball team then
hopefully my sister would not blame me ....

>
>Well, I play tennis, touch football, ping-pong (of course)..

used to play ping-pong but gave up since I always got defeted by my
brother.

>I used to play squashball, swim. I like playing pool, skate.
                                                       ^^^^^ ah that
would be rollerblade for me.  Talking about skating, I finally saw the
Kristi commercial on TV over the weekend.  One disappointment:  They
should have some of her incredible jumping/spiining in the ad.
                        
>>ps:  thanks for reading.  finally get to talk about my favorite subject
>
>Ooops, sorry I deleted it
>
>Ning Wang
^^^^^^^^^^

What?  You are Ning Wang?

Dan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: an960@anon.penet.fi
Subject: WANTED: Independent, Fun-loving, Open-minded Asian Woman
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:58:44 GMT

The subject says it all.  I am looking for a young Asian Woman who is
very intelligent, who likes to have fun, and knows what she wants out of
her life.  I figured this would be as good a place as any to find such a
person!

Why the request that you be open minded?  Well, I am a young, college-educated
African-American Male and I know it would take a very open-minded As-Am
woman to be interested in pursuing anything romantic with me.  However, if
you are such a person please don't hesitate to respond.  You'll be happy
you did.  Have a great day!

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From: an960@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: WANTED Open-Minded Asian Woman (from open minded black guy)
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:54:28 GMT

I am the individual who posted originally, and to answer some of my
expected critics, NO I am not the guy who likes techno and is 24 living in
Cincinatti.  I am 22, and on farther East.

Second, why does it mean that I am not open-minded just because I restrict
my request to Asian-American women?  You forget I am Black in the first place;
I must be somewhat open-minded to have interests in Asian women and to be
an avid reader of s.c.a.a in the first place.  BTW, how many homeboys down
in the hood have you seen hitting on all the sweet little Korean and Chinese
girls who work in the little corner stores in their neighborhoods?  Not many,
I presume.  While working on my degree, it just so happened that I had several
meaningful relationships with As-Am women; relationships which were much more
rewarding than any I have ever experienced with Black or White women.  Hence,
my request or preference if you will.  If you feel I am closed minded, so be
it.  However, you couldn't be farther from the truth!
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From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: anonymous accounts
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:07:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: jukebox.MDAY.93Jan6150755
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


   babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon) writes:

   Ah, the bad side of having anonymous accounts.

   People will post anything they please will say anything
   no matter how racists or insulting. 

   And will do it with complete immunity. They can harass anyone they wish
   accuse anyone of anything.

   And as word gets around more and more people will abuse this.

   And the noise/signal ration will approach infinity.

Anonymous mail to individuals may be a problem in terms of harassment.
Anonymously publishing unpleasant or unpopular opinions in a public
forum is not harassment, though.

I don't think anonymous posting is a problem if you have a reasonable
news reader with some kind of kill file mechanism (which you need for
other reasons in this newsgroup, anyway).  You just filter out the
anonymous bozos along with the named bozos, and the signal/noise ratio
improves dramatically.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Chinese-cu Cannabalism (Re: Why are we different?)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 17:35:02 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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X-Xxdate: Thu, 7 Jan 93 23:38:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.015710.19630@leland.Stanford.EDU> Dwight Joe,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
>I post the following without comment (This is 1 of those rare moments
>when I break my own rule of not posting references.).  Note that many
>Chinese-cu volunteered to participate in cannabalism and were not forced
>by their gov't to do so.
>
>Chinese records add cannibalism to 1960s horrors
>By Nicholas D. Kristof, New York Times

I read this article in the paper today, and you know what the first thing
I said to myself was?  No, it wasn't: "Michael, this is horrible."  It actually
was "Shit, this is really going to set Dwight off an a 'Chinese-cu is evil'
rampage.  Maybe I'll avoid s.c.asian.a for a while."

But, almost out of habit, I launched my news reader (Nuntius for the Macintosh,
I'd really recomend it for anybody using a Mac), and sure enough, Dwight
had already posted an article with respect to this.

======================================================================
|Michael F. Kamprath                   | The University of Michigan  |
|  kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu |      Aerospace Engineering  |
|  kamprath@engin.umich.edu            |      Graduate Student       |
======================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: FBI Report on 1991 Hate Crimes
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:42:29 GMT

In article <73057@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>On the FBI Hate crimes report, here's the % breakdown by race and group
>
>Race 62.3
>  Black 35.5
>  White 18.7
>  Other 8.5
>Religion 19.3
>  Jewish 17.4
>Ethnic 9.5
>Gay 8.9
>
>Arthur_t_hu@portal.com

Some ethnic groups, especially new comers to this country, are less
likely to report crimes.  Some of these people come from places where
there exists fear/mistrust of authority.  In the late 70's when a lot of
southeast Asians were settling in the Chicago uptown area, the police
department used to work with community leaders etc. to get these new
comers to cooperate instead of being silent or taking matters into their
own hands ...

Dan
From: mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:12:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1993Jan4.025427.19706@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>Let's not beat around the bush.  By "non-Japanese-ge AA", Ms. Ayala
>is referring to Chinese-ge.

Oh, come ON... Aren't you forgetting the Korean-Americans, the
Vietnamese-Americans, the Thai-Americans, the Tibetan-Americans, ad
infinitum??

(Sorry... I'm in a rather peevish mood today)

	Maiko Covington

P.S. I do think single eyelids look nice though, on both sexes. For
the record, I am white, but I always thought I was horribly ugly
because everyone else around me was not. I guess it's kinda like
what some minorities here felt like, but in reverse. Also, I think
the 'type' we end up finding attractive may have to do with the
'type' of looks we were surrounded with when we first began to
notice these things.

P.P.S. I did know someone in junior high school who had to have 'the
operation' because her eyelashes were somehow turned in the wrong
way and kept poking her in the eye and getting infected.
From: berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca (Eva Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Hong Kong Students (Was: Re: Asian cliques. Why?)
Keywords: Asian-Americans
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:47:43 GMT
Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan)
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Regarding the BMW's, ok, they may be used but since when can anyone afford to 
pay at most $200 per month on a Beemer?  Even a used BMW will still cost at
least $20K, and the ones I've seen were quite new and fully equipped. Some
even had cellular phones.  Go figure that one out.





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