From: petrel@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Bulgakov
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:03:29 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada



Sergei Borodin writes:

>From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
>Date: 29 Sep 92 19:38:44 GMT

>Warning: The following article does not contain special signs for
>         humor impared.

Thaanks for warning.

>
>petrel@ac.dal.ca writes:


>>Guessing from the guest list of the Woland's party, Bulgakov was also:
 
 >You conviniently deleted my unbeatable example of Bulgakov's antisemitism
 >and followed mr. Fedyunkin's way of sucking conclusions from a finger. But
 >let's see. 


Let's see first the conveniently deleted examples:
(I will not comment on Shvonder from `Sobachje Serdtse' because, haven't 
reading it, I do not know the context):

>>>    Or take "Master & ..", what about criticist Latunsky? Very vile person.
>>>    Or succesfully killed Berlioz?
>>>    How bad fin. director Rymsky looks.  And all that are just from the
>>>   "top of my head".

The ending `-sky' may indicate rather Polish or other Slavic origins.
Even `Berlioz' is not  necessarily a Jewish name.
So much for the unbeatables...

Let's see then how S.B. demolishes my arguments:

>>Guessing from the guest list of the Woland's party, Bulgakov was also:

>>          --- anti-Italian (Italians were represented by Tofana, a woman
>>who helped to poison 500 husbands of bored wives from Palermo and Napoli
>>(a radical feminist?)

> Yes. Sure Bulgakov also was an anti-feminist in a good meaning of this
>word e.g. he admired women as women but not as a production force.
> As far as his anti-Italianism is concerned, I rather doubt it. In fact,
> people invited on Woland's party are not necessarily (you check spelling)
>bad. For instance, Tofana *helped* those wives. She did it not only for
> money, sure she had to overcome some traditions. 

>>    ------ anti-French (Monsieur Jacques, a killer of the king's lover)

> Besides all that I've said, remember - "Koroleva v voshischenii!!". 
 

>>    ------ anti-German (the name of the baby-kiler, Frieda, at least sounds
>>           German), 

>  This is the worst example you could imagine. Bulgakov loves Germans, and
>  admits that people could make mistakes (like kill their own baby) but 
>  the remorse will bring them forgivness. Either you just heard about
>  "M&M" or have troubles in comprehending.
   
Please, help the clueless person -- this last paragraph is humor, isn't it?
If not, then you have a problem with consistency within a thread  -- you start
answering the question by turning it into a (HILARIOUS) joke, and then you
shift to serious argumentation. 

Either you couldn't make fun of the `anti-German sentiment',
or you lack serious arguments for the `anti-Italian sentiment'. 

Or, perhaps, you have a short attention span. I advice less TV.



>>Why to limit the power of Mr. Borodin's reasoning to  nations? 
>>Bulgakov must have been vehemently anti-street-car-driver-ish ! Remember
>>who (``succesfully'') killed Berlioz? 

>  This one is just to demonstrate that I misprint the word. Yes, I admit
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  I have done that.  Nevertheless, I still won't use a spell checker just
>  because otherwise you would not have anything to write about. It's like
>  to play a game with handicap at your advantage. 

This is all but just to demonstrate this. I do not care about your spelling.
In fact I realized your mistake AFTER your response. I used parentheses just
to avoid a cheap-shot from the net declaring me an anti-semite (due to 
referring to the death of a person of allegedly Jewish origin as a success).

By following this irrelevant aspect you `conveniently' ignored
my `unbeatable example' of the pitfalls in your reasoning.
`Is it because otherwise you would not have anything to write about?'



> S.B.

I remain

		Your clueless

				Piotr Trela
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