From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: XPost "RE: In Reponse..."
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:39:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

From: Larry.Hyman@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Larry Hyman)
Date: 24 Sep 92  22:36:53
Message-Id: <Fredgate.717709842@fquest>
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: In Response
To: lindae@netcom.com
Status: OR

-=> Quoting Lindae to All <=-
 
 Li> From: lindae@netcom.com
 Li> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760
 Li> guest)
 Li> In article <1992Sep18.065213.26344@PA.dec.com> lattanzi@wsl.dec.com
 Li> (Len  Lattanzi) writes:
 >In article <8r2nrqd.lindae@netcom.com> lindae@netcom.com () writes:
 >:
 >:Bill,
 >:
 >:I have to disagree with you.  I think that if you suspect child abuse,
 >:there is often no way to find out for sure if it is indeed Child Abuse
before
 >:calling CPS or other services.  Sometimes you have to go on your hunch
 >:in order to protect children.  Once again, I am of the belief that it
 >:is better to err on behalf of a child than to ignore a potentially
 >:dangerous situation.  Obviously, you must react within reason.  One
 >:small bruise is usually not something to worry about.  But repeated
 >:bruises, etc. may be something to look into.
 >:
 >:Linda
 >:lindae@netcom.com


 >:
  FROM: Len
 >
 >ignorance is strength, report all bruise-crime to Big Brother.
 >Kids have been taken from their parents because of misread birth
 >marks, subjective evaluation of when a child should be weaned.
 >
 >Do you have a child? Does your child have any bruises? Could you and
 >he/she survive a week or two or longer apart while CPS figures out
 >that your active toddler found a way to self-inflict a black eye?
 >My daughter has only done that once but at 18 months she's pretty good
 >at coming up with new scratches and bruises every few days on her own.
 >
 >How many innocents will you crucify in order to avoid letting one guilty
 >escape?
 >
 >-Len


 Li>
 Li> Sorry Len, but I have to continue to disagree.  I understand your
 Li> point, but I go back to my original comment.  Act within reason,
 Li> but always have a goal of protecting the child.  There are so many
 Li> cases where someone is correct that a child is being abused, yet
 Li> because they are not sure, they don't report it.  Compare this with the
 Li> number of cases that are mistakenly reported, and I think we're
 Li> still under-reporting child abuse cases.  I am not saying that
 Li> mistakes don't happen.  And I do understand how terrible it is
 Li> to be wrongly accused and to have your child wrongly taken away.
 Li> Those are obviously flaws in the system that need to be worked out.
 Li> But, let's face it... every day in this country, children are being
 Li> severly, brutally abused, abducted, and exploited and it MUST STOP!!!!
 Li>
 Li> If you know of any better way to put an end to abuse, abduction,
 Li> and exploitation, I welcome your suggestions.  And, of course, if
 Li> you continue to disagree with my position, I welcome you to respond
 Li> again.  Let's see if we can come to an understanding.
 Li>
 Li> lindae@netcom.com
 
Now just wait a minute !!!! I agree with everything, BUT!!! What about
discipline? Should I have to worry that I'm going to goto jail because I gave
my
daughter a spanking for being bad? What about marks... When I was a kid, I
used to think I was superman! I got so many cuts and bruises (I still have
scares) and this was not child abuse!! (It was just one kid playing with his
friends...)
 
It's true that alot of bad things happen to children, but we have lines to
draw
and not cross! We should do everything in our power to protect our kids!!!! I
came from a broken home and neither of my parents gave a dam about me or my
brothers. We went through hell!! I had to live on the street, I got into IV
drugs, I took the most dirtiest scummy jobs in the world... All this was a
result of the abuse (not physical, but metal) abuse that I got when I was a
kid. I have made a promise to myself that I will do every thing in my power to
never allow my children to be exposed to the life that I had. Maybe I will be
accused of sheltering them, no they will be informed, but as long as I live,
they will have no reason to live on the street and do dangerous things.
 
As for as preventing them from going missing... My wife and I have a very
simple policy, we never let the kids out of our sight... (My daughter is 3 and
my son is 2) Maybe this will be alot harder when they get older, but for now
this is what we are doing....
 
Getting back to marks.... Sexual abuse doesn't always leave physical marks,
how do you be aware of it happening to your kids? Remember it even happens by
priests and teachers.... How do we prevent this?
 
Anyways... This is a few thoughts from a father of two.... Larry Hyman
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