HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rfunk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert M Funk)
Subject: Re: Atari binaries postings.  A comment...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:21:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.175413.20955@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> garold@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (g.d.redenbaugh) writes:
>used to be common for binaries to be posted right to this group.  I am
>not against a binary news group if it will get binaries posted but is
>there a reason why binaries can not be posted here.

I read this group for informational text.  If a binary file appears, it is
just an annoyance to those who are not interested in it.  When
there is a text message that seems uninteresting, at least it is readable.
With a binary newsgroup, one could just read the titles, then go back and
save those messages/files that were desired.



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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 4 Sep 1992 16:40:46 CDT
From: Darius Vaskelis <U39648@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Frequently-Asked Questions

[...]
>What hardware has Atari created in the 8-bit computer line?
>Computers:
[...]
>     1200XL  64K, unique OS

There were at least two different OS versions (A & B) and it's pretty
much an XL OS with minor changes.  It also had 4 function keys.  (F1-F4)
(Also programmable LEDs above the keyboard!)

[...]
>Peripherals:
[...]
>     1030 Modem            (300 baud, with ???software)

Well, not real software.  It "booted" a copy of a dumb ASCII terminal if
there was no other SIO boot device.  *ICK*  It's essentially an 835 with
tone dialing and a prettier case.

[...]
>Atari 8-bit vaporware:
>     815      2 x SS/DD 180K with DOS 2.0D

Maybe not-widely-released-ware.  A local department store where I used to
live had one on display (Hess's in Easton, PA) and I know someone who
had (probably still has) one that he claims he bought from Sears.  He
even gave me a copy of DOS 2.0D way-back-when.

Gosh, makes me want to unpack the old 8-bit and fire it up!

>     1400XL   800XL plus modem, speech synth.
>     1450XLD  1400XL plus 5.25" floppy drive

I might think these would be based more on the 1200XL, since they used
the same keyboard/case, but since it was vapor...

Don't forget the 1090 Expansion Chassis for the Parallel Bus Interface!

- Darius
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From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: GEnie To Internet
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:22:18 GMT

In article <Bu253y.BBC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>
>
>A quick question: when you say "free," do you mean that people can
>receive Internet mail without paying the $10 monthly charge mentioned in
>an earlier post, or merely that GEnie users who have already subscribed
>to the Internet mail option (and paid their $10) will not be assessed
>the $0.40 per-message fee on incoming messages?
>
I'm afraid you do need to subscribe to Internet, but there is no per-message
charge for incoming messages.  You can subscribe to mailing lists, so you
can get the Info-Atari8 Digest for free, instead of downloading it at $6 per
hour.

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com  b.marcum@genie.geis.com
"I hate it when I can't gird my loins with funny animals!"


Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Subject: Re: Old software
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:54:37 GMT

In article <46mcqB7w165w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!phbill@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>Is Cognito still around?  (or Zeppelin Games, if they made it)  BTW: The 
>same fellas (in the credits) made Zybex.  It has no (c), date OR name 
>except of the authors.

Zeppelin also made Zybex. (I have one or both for the C= 64, came on a tape
on a magazine)

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From: pcs$1393@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: a newcomer & Atari Classics
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:24:14 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

I am a first time poster. Pardon my newness, But can someone fill me in on how
to receive an issue or subscription to the Atari Classic publication that you
all are going on about. I have a group of friends that maintain 8 bit atari
bulletin boards and are always interested in acquiring and/or getting rid of
hardware and software. Tony Gallart PCS$1393@SLU  thanks
From: Rick_Michael_Cortese@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Connecting an RS232 modem to an Atari?
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 92 09:26:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I'm digging out some old stuff I did. 'IF' you only need 300 baud, then you
can use a converted joystick with the MPP R: handlers. I've used it with
an Avatex & Supra modems. Your really need access to terminal software to get
the the handlers/Express to begin with though.
If I screw up the Message Base here, please excuse me. It's easier then the
undecode etc even if it doesn't work.
From: poehland%phvax.dnet@SMITHKLINE.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: FREE ADS IN ATARI CLASSICS
Date: 6 Sep 92 05:37:10 GMT

Whoops, Chris, try reading my post again, the answers to your questions are
all in there.  I suggest you D/L & print it out.  Looks to me like you probably
read it on-screen & forgot what was said at the beginning by the time you got
to the end.  Not surprising; it was kinduv a long post.

Anyways, to re-cap:  for the Premier Issue only, no paid ads will be accepted
in the "SWAP 'n' Shop" column of AC.  That means you MUST keep your ad to 50
words or less.

In future issues, longer ads will be accepted, provided that ads longer than
50 words are accompanied by payment (check payable to Atari Classics) mailed to
the address for AC given in The Rules & in the various announcements that have
been posted.

Hmmm... something I didn't consider... in future issues when we accept longer
[paid] ads in "SnS", we'll still accept copy be e-mail.  But payemt will have
to be by snail-mail, and WE'l need some indication of what the payment is for,
ie, a note saying "Enclosed is payment for SnS ad emailed such-&-such a date
which was 200 characters in excess of the 50-word free limit"  or some such.

BUT... FOR THE PREMIER ISSUE ONLY...  we will only accept ads 50 words or less
as defined in The Rules, & any longer ads will be truncated to the 50-word
limit.

My apologies to those of you who have long lists of items to sell, etc., but
we are pushing hard to get the Premier Issue ready in time for WAACE & the
prospect of receiving a whole bunch of checks for small amounts of money will
gum up the works & slow things down tremendously.  In months to come we will
be better organized, & thus in a position to offer better service.

Actually, considering as how we've only been in business for one month now,
we're not doing too bad & the magazine is definitely moving forwar
d.


     - BEN POEHLAND
       Managing Editor
       Atari Classics

******************************************************************************
From: thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester)
Subject: Re: Fan Mail From a Flounder
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 03:27:16 GMT

In article <92259.213437JJMCWILL@MTUS5.BITNET> Jeff McWilliams <JJMCWILL@
TUS5.BITNET> writes:
>Uncle Fester,
>
>Well, the I think the idea would have to be implemented at the site
>where the digest is composed, not by each individual receiver.
>I know there are programming languages on this system, but how to write
>a program to automatically exclude a binary from an incoming mail file
>would be way beyond me.  I don't have the time to research into such a t
ing.
>
>Don't know who Treebeard is?  OBVIOUSLY not a Tolkien fan!  Hmmph!
>
>
>Jeff McWilliams    ---->  jjmcwill@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu
>jjmcwill@mtus5.mtu.edu    jjmcwill@mtus5.mtu.edu.BITNET
>cd827@cleveland.freenet.edu
>cd827%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm


Yes, that is what I meant.  But if it is a Unix system, it should be very
easy for Mr. Dunning to create a script to sift the 'zzzz' files.
I'm not a programmer (I dabble), but if 5 years experience is worth
anything, (the Digest'er himself) it couldn't hurt to try it.
(Tryyyyy it! You'll liiiiiike it!) I know I would.

?W
Well, I kind of figured Treebeard must be something of a Fantasy nature.
Now I know.  Thank you.  And keep him around in case he's needed again.
Nothing like a little wisdom to keep things on track. 

Uncle Fester

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From: poehland%phvax.dnet@SMITHKLINE.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: FREE ADS IN ATARI CLASSICS
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:24:14 GMT

Well, I reckon I overwhelmed everyone with my previous posts about the free
ads in AC (aka "Swap 'n'Shop").  Response wasn't what I'd hoped for, so I'm
gonna try again.  A little more laid-back this time.

OK, here's the deal.  You get to place a free ad in AC whether you subscribe or
not.  Up to 50 words, which must include your name & postal mailing address.
Buy/sell/trade.  Anthing related to Atari 8bit stuff.  Announcements of BBSs,
usergroups, sales of software from club libraries, seeking info for social
contacts w/other 8bitters in your locale, 2600/5200/7800 videogame stuff, what-
ever is your thing.

If you wanna include a phone number or email address, that's cool.  Just keep
it under 50 words.

We consider a "word" as any combination of ASCII characters separated by a
space.  If you're real creative, you can do a lot with that.

Deadline for ads is:  SEPTEMBER 20, 1992  if you want it in AC's Premier Issue.

Hurry!  There ain't much time left!

Send ads to me at:

        Internet: poehland%phvax.dnet@smithkline.com
        GEnie   : B.POEHLAND

        Snailmail:   Atari Classics
                     179 Sproul Road/Rt. 352
                     Frazer, PA  19355  USA

On CIS or Delphi, send your ad to our Telecom Editor, Lawrence Estep, at:

        Delphi: LESTEP
        CIS   : 71450,1050

I know EVERYBODY out there gotta have something they wanna buy, or some piece
of junk they'd like to sell off or trade away for someone else's stuff.

I personally am a firm believer in the philosophy that one man's trash is
is another man's treasure.  Heaven knows I've bought enough of other people's
trash at shows & stuff.  And given my own in return.  Makes everybody happy :).

And it ain't gonna cost yah nuthin'!


       - BEN POEHLAND
         Managing Editor
         Atari Classics

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Terminal Questions!
From: <AKH104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 13:32:46 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <15065@mindlink.bc.ca>, Tom_Klok@mindlink.bc.ca (Tom Klok) says:
>
>
>> 3) Are the screen control commands standard to the VT emulation
>>  or are they ANSI commands...as in ...If I log on the the FREENET
>>   using vt52..or 100...things are underlined...highlighted...spaced..
>>   are these standard terminal commands or some protocol on top of
>>  the standard vt100?
>
>ANSI is much like VT100/102, but with some extra stuff added.  I don't have
>the
>reference document, sorry.  Beware of working from MSDOS ANSI.SYS
>documentation, as the typical PC ANSI is an incomplete implementation.
>
>> 7) Now...who wants to write me a Kermit handler for 1000 byte blocks?
>
>Doesn't that violate the Kermit standards?
>
>> 8) Zmodem...now there would be something nice...any code laying around on
>> other machines in C or Pascal or Fortran?  that stuff is real easy to
>> convert.
>
>C source for Zmodem is all over the place.  I can mail you a copy if you want.
>However, keep in mind that streaming protocols like Zmodem are useless unless
>you can interleave serial I/O and disk I/O.  A ramdisk is ok; otherwise you'll
>need a bus serial port like a MIO, BB or the 6551 hack Rick is talking about.

  Indeed!  However...with ramdisk...is probably going to be the easiest..
there is no way this thing is going to work without extra memory!  maybe if
phillip price did the codeing...but.

  I would like that C source if you would and any others for other protocols(ju
st happened to get a legal copy of Lightspeed C!) In addtion...source for ansii
nformation.Maybe I should conntact the author of Ansi Term..but..
I have never ever gotten those program versions to run on my setup.

 Also
  KERMIT-CMS 4.2.3 can go to packet lengths of 2039 bytes.
  (Test site)
Andrew
From: ericl@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Lundquist)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: ANTICs for sale
Summary: Heavy books/mags?  Use 4th Class Book Rate
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:49:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep16.004908.11357
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <5681@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> 6500dtpt@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (David Tipton) writes:
>I have a giant stack of Antic magazines for sale.  A total
>of 35 magazine ranging from 1984 to 1987.  I'd like to
>sell the whole stack for about $40 (and this is a DEAL
>because the postage is going to be high) including
>postage.  I just don't want to throw them out because they

Remember, if you are going to mail a lot of books or magazines within the
US, use USPS 4th Class Book Rate, it's really cheap.  You can get 50 lbs
across the country for around $15...  Just be sure to package them fairly
securely, because the Postal service treats them a lot rougher than 1st
class mail...

Eric Lundquist
University of Washington, Seattle, WA, USA
ericl@ocean.washington.edu
From: "Marek Tomczyk" <UJ1G@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Frequently-Asked Questions
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:42:52 GMT


Michael Current writes:
> (lots of information about Amy deleted)
> I assume this Amy is the AMIE that was for a 65XEM as well.

Thank you very much for the info. It sounds really phantastic.
Just imagine what kind of games and demos would be possible with this
kind of hardware. I guess there weren't many 65XEMs on the market.
Does anybody have this dream-machine?

-Marek
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:22:44 EDT
From: <AKH104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Adding a 2nd PIA
 <65609@cup.portal.com> <65693@cup.portal.com>

  This is somewhat similiar to Bob Wooley's Parallel 1050
drive upgrade....you can do alot with the second PIA in there...
even perhaps...an internal Hard Drive....
Andrew
From: bruck@BRACHOT.JCT.AC.IL (Itay Chamie1)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Falcon / binary postings to c.s.a.8
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:22:15 GMT


:) You're missing the point.  If you post binaries to the discussion group,
:) regardless of subject, they end up in the digest, and force digest
:) readers to either slog through lots of crud they don't want to see, or
:) cancel their subscriptions.  

Well, my suggestion makes the file appear in the END of the digest, letting
Digest readers to just abort the read, with the knowledge that there is
nothing after it... the Digest is sorted alphabetically, which is why I
suggest "zzzz name".

-Itay
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From: bd891@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Allwood)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Binary Group Vote Results
Date: 15 Sep 1992 14:50:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu



I should be shot for not voting on time; but, if ti does any good

count me as a yes vote.

-- 
I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ for it is the POWER of 
God unto SALVATION! * Paul Allwood bd891@Cleveland.Freenet.edu
From: moon!cyberden!phbill@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: ANSI!?!?!?
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 19:52:22 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Hey!  Finally.. cool.  I'd like to see v. 1 of ANSITerm.  I have version 
0.3.  A few people on a local BBS have been asking what other users think 
of v.0.3.  Now I suppose is the best time to let 'em see 1.(0?)...

PhBill: Bill Kendrick               |||  1200 Cyberden BBS (+1 415 472-5527)
Moon!Cyberden!PhBill@Well.SF.CA.US / | \ 2600 North of San Francisco California
From: moon!cyberden!phbill@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: BTW: I'm back
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:09:10 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

After a long time of this place being down (and me loosing tons of 
mail... ok...11 messages, only 4 of which were new, but still...  grrr), 
it's back up and I'm back here...

but for now, I must depart...  got a wonderful caring person to call ;)

PhBill: Bill Kendrick               |||  1200 Cyberden BBS (+1 415 472-5527)
Moon!Cyberden!PhBill@Well.SF.CA.US / | \ 2600 North of San Francisco California
From: phile@pwcs.stpaul.gov (Philip J Ethier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re:  Terminal Emulation
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:57:36 GMT

I asked for help on this newsgroup with modeming to my Unix account from home 
with my Atari 800.  I am quite computer-illiterate, (my access to the 
account via Macintosh and telnet requires no Unix knowledge.)
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to lots of folks who helped me via Email, including:
Jim Johnson, Itay Chamiel, Bill Marcum, Nicholas J. DiMasi, Bob Hardy, 
Null Cypher, Chris Chiesa, Rob Funk, and Jeff McWilliams 

Jeff Potter was able to supply an old termcap apparently written and posted by 
Howard S. Nichols.  My Sysop was able to change it into a terminfo that gets me 
by for now.

The consensus is that I really need to use a program like Bobterm, VT10SQ, 
Kermit65 or Omnicom.

(The author of Bobterm was reportedly to speak at the SPACE meeting in the 
Twin Cities last Friday, but I was unable to attend.)

It looks like Kermit65 may be the best for me.  There is no way I can ftp it 
to the Atari with my current setup.  Is there any way I can get it on disk?  
I'd be happy to pay for the disk and the postage.  Of course, I will need 
documentation understandable by an idiot...

Please reply via Email, as I seldom get to read newsgroups.

Phil Ethier, THE RIGHT LINE, 672 Orleans Street, Saint Paul, MN   55107-2676
h (612) 224-3105  w (612) 298-5324     phile@pwcs.stpaul.gov
"The workingman's GT-40" - Anthony Colin Bruce Chapman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Adding a 2nd PIA
From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:34:05 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <92256.141056AKH104@psuvm.psu.edu>, <AKH104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>  In regards to all the upgrades available for the 8bit..
> Transkey...stereo...multiple PIA's printer and serial ports..memmory..
> Um...how difficult would it be to draw up the prints for a new 8bit?
> First of al you already have them for the xl/xe/800 line....
> and adding a few chips is not problem...there are even circuit design
> programs out there that will do the tracing for you..now..
> how about a limeted production of these new silked boards?  Say
> small enough to fit in a baby at?  I have everything in there right now
> except my mio..which is undergoing repairs.
> 
>   While we are at it...since SOME PEOPLE do have the 1450 prints...
> um..why not a parallel drive?
>   First of all, all the chips are atari's..still can get 'em.  The only
> problem would be the 1450 drive os and its speach...
>   Is it Illegal to modify a copyrighted schematic and reprint it?
> Who is to say that you just didnt decide to hook those chips up
> the way you did?

     Isn't this what Chuck Steinman of Dataque was going to do, but with
a 65816? This would be a really neat project, if we could get the
circuit boards printed up. I have an extra 800xl with all the chips
socketed, so it would be really easy to transplant the chips. While you
are at it, might as well use a 65802 (65c02 pin-compatible).

     I guess it was economically feasible for Dataque to produce their
own next generation XE. (But I do see some sort of market for a <$150
home computer, with diskdrive.)

     Has anybody thought of what could be done if you added a second
GTIA? (I read that this is what the 7800 uses for graphics.)

     What is the cost to have circuit boards made nowadays?

>     ALSO I PRESS FOR EVERYONE OF YOU TO BUG THE heck OUT OF ATARI TO
> RELEASE THEIR DOCUMENTED SOURCE CODE FOR THE XL ROM's.  ALL 500+ pages of it!

     I don't understand why they haven't released a lot of things now
that they don't support the 8-bits anymore. Interesting note though, in
the latest Atari Explorer Online, they said they sold the remaining
8-bits, 2600, and 7800 overseas and in South America.


Later.......

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