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From: hbarnes@ST6000.SCT.EDU (Hal Barnes)
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:06:19 GMT

Kauko:

I saw your post regarding English / Japanese correspondance lists and
thought I'd answer publicly because files available below are so helpful.
I apologize in advance for the length of this reply, as well as any
mistakes or omissions.

An excellent Japanese / English dictionary in electronic is available
via anonymous ftp from the following address:

  monu6.cc.monash.edu.au

in the  /pub/nihongo directory.

I've included a truncated list of available files at the bottom of
this message for interested users.  This includes a set of programs for
viewing japanese files as well as browsing the dictionary.  There
are also some interesting files on how japanese text is handeled
electronically.

You'll notice that none of these files include japanese words written
in romajii (ie, roman letters) - they're all in japanese.  I think this
is because japanese words in romajii don't capture the precise japanese
pronounciations.  For myself, I think I'd settle for approximations
in pronounciation to make it a bit easier to get started, but that's
the way it goes.  I think you could romanize the onyomi and kunyomi
readings in your program, but I haven't had a chance to play with that much.

Here's a trunctated index of files available from monu6.cc.monash.edu.au
(a full list is contained in /pub/nihongo/INDEX):

  Files for MOKE1.1 		Mark Edwards' Japanese Text Editor
  Files for KG1.01 		Mark Edwards' Kanji Guess Program
  Files of JDDICT 		Japanese/German Dictionary
  jdic21.zoo			V2.1  of JDIC, the Japanese English
  				Dictionary Display. Includes the excellent
  				JREADER program.
  xjdic.tar.Z			XJDIC (X11 online Japanese dictionary V1.0)
  edict				English/Japanese (31527 entries)
				dictionary for use with MOKE, JDIC & JREADER.
				(Current version V92-030)
  kanjidic & kanjidic.Z		Files of information about kanji
				(replaces jis*detl.lst)
  kanjidic.doc			Explanation of the file
  japan.inf			Ken Lunde's article on kanji
                                encoding and fj.* groups (Mar 1992)
  jcode.c, jconv.c, jchar.c	Ken Lunde's JIS/EUC/etc conversion programs
				replaces jis.c, jvalues.c, etc. as follows)
  kd100.arc			KD (kanji driver) source, jis
				fonts and other goodies
  kanji1.lzh-kanji3.lzh		Kanji Flashcard package for learning
				the first 204 kanji
  gaku10.exe			Shareware "gakusei" program (self
				un-packing archive) of elementary
				grammar, etc.
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Hal Barnes				Email:	hbarnes@sct.edu
Network Manager				Phone:  (404) 528-7346
Southern College of Technology
Marietta, Georgia 30060
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: ROGERS@UHCCVX.UHCC.HAWAII.EDU (Lawrence Rogers)
Subject: Re: language translator association
X-Unparsable-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20: 09:52 TZONE
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:34:02 GMT

If your main interest is literary translation, the national organization is the
 American Literary Translators Association.  The address is The Univ. of Texas
 at Dallas, P.O. Box 830688, Richardson, Texas  75083-0688.  They also publish a
 journal, TRANSLATION REVIEW, but most of the articles are about the Western
European languages.  There's a group in Tokyo called SWET, the Society of
 Writers, Editors and Translators, which, as the name indicates, is more
 broad-based.
Address: Shibuya 2-19-15-808, Shibuya-ku, Tokyo 150.  A few years back some of
the translators left SWET and set up their own organization, but the name
 escapes me.  They are more concerned with technical and scientific translation,
 I
think.
Cheers,
Lawrence Rogers
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: GREENIDGE_JE@CATLIN.BITNET ("Be Like Mike? Naw,              I'd rather follow Jesus.")
Subject: RE: inauguration
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:49:00 GMT

        Well, I don't know very much about Miyazawa Rie, but she has
to go pretty far to compare with ad
(excuse that <CR>)
        to compare with Madonna.
        Why is it a vicious idea to get some publicity?
        A lot of American actors and actresses do the same thang,
        and I see no difference.


        A bit puzzled,
                Jelani Greenidge
                The Catlin Gabel School
                Portland, OR
From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: What word is this??
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:26:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1k52u2INN89m
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga) writes:
>So some hints: The idea of a screen door was much closer; hint 2: a tent.
>
># The person who can figure this out from sheer imagination is
># highly appraised.

I think I've seen this instrument at my obaasan tutor's house
long time ago.  So _that's_ what it's called. :-)  

Hint 3 would be (if I'm correct): table.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: GREENIDGE_JE@CATLIN.BITNET ("Be Like Mike? Naw,              I'd rather follow Jesus.")
Subject: forgetting Tianamen Square
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:43:00 GMT

        You know, I enjoy this nihongo no risuto serubaru, however
there is one thing that is starting to work my nerves a little.
For the past week or so, maybe 2 weeks, there have been about 200,000
ways given on how to say don't forget Tianemen Square, and although
I do recognize the importance of remembering mistakes in order not to
repeat them, I will personally kill somebody over the Internet if they
send another 'Tianemen o wasureru na' message.
        So, for life-preservation purposes,
                FORGET TIANAMEN SQUARE!!!!

        Thank you...


        Jelani Greenidge
        The Catlin Gabel School
        Portland, OR

        P.S. sorry about that...I'm kind of edgy right now :)
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Tad Perry)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Unsubscribing???Why??
Date: 22 Jan 1993 06:17:48 GMT
Organization: unaffiliated
NNTP-Posting-Host: gibdo.engr.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan22.011337.2173@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> knudsen@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (michael.j.knudsen) writes:
>In article <1993Jan15.214353.22443@gibdo.engr.washington.edu>, tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Tad Perry) writes:
>
>> So, what's the case of "boku", eh? You know that's a difficult
>> question. Supposed universal grammar says *every* noun must have case.
>> I'd vote nominative case with "nihongo ga ii" as a predicate. Weird,
>> huh? But that's the way I see it. Or we posit some kind of "topical"
>> case and start reworking the grammar. There are reasons why doing
>> the latter may be preferrable.
>
>I'd have to go along with the latter for Nihongo.
>The example sentence maybe didn't use "wa", but clearly the standard
>set of cases for Western languages requires some sort of "topical" case
>addition to handle nouns/pronouns preceding "wa."
>There are plenty of beginner's sentences with both "wa" and "ga"
>noun phrases; trying to stick both of them in the nominative case
>can't be right.

Well, just to play devil's advocate, it's not true that two
nominatives would necessarily be strange. In X-bar syntax you assume
that nouns and verbs and sentence structures are really all being
formed from the same template. (X is used to refer to any generic
grammatical structure. Kind of like a "*" wildcard to be replaced
later.)  So the simplest rule:

  X -> (nominative) + predicate

Could be used to explain both:

  S -> (nominative) + predicate
       boku wa        nihongo ga ii

And:

   predicate -> (nominative) + predicate
                nihongo ga     ii

I'm being sloppy with the terminology to make the point. Please don't
quibble over whether I should really be calling these "nominative"
and "predicate".

>Trying to force Japanese syntax into Western grammatical molds is unfair
>both to the Japanese culture and to us poor slobs trying to learn it.

Be careful about "orientalizing" Japanese in this way. It's a human
language and should be explainable by the same rules as English or any
other human language. If one of our rules doesn't fit Japanese, it's
probably not entirely valid for our own language either. It's not the
case that we need two completely different systems to explain both
languages. But there's also nothing wrong with an added case. Not
every language has the same number and type of cases.

>BTW, my favorite translation of "wa" is "-wise", as in
>"boku-wa sushi ga ski desu" ==> "Me-wise, sushi is good."
>I guess it was back in the 60s that ad-agency jargon ran "-wise"
>into the ground so much that the English pundits condemned it.

It's not bad. The "-wise" even infers a directionality that "wa"
also kind of has.
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From: yoshida@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Yoshida)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Japan Language School Guide - New Book
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:19:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Center, Tokyo Institute of Polytechnics, Japan


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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: 76662.351@COMPUSERVE.COM (Ron Granich)
Subject: Translators' organiz.
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:25:06 GMT

>
> A few years back some of the translators left SWET and set up
> their own organization, but the name escapes me.
>

The "new" organization is the Japan Association of Translators (JAT). Not sure
what the current membership fees are, but I think it's a Y10,000 initiation fee
to join plus Y10,000 a year in dues. They publish a monthly bulletin and run a
lively and very helpful (to the professional translator) electronic discussion
group hosted on TWICS in Tokyo. I'm not sure who the current Membership
Secretary is, but you can send a query to:

Fred Uleman
Japan Research
2-19-15-808 Shibuya
Shibuya-ku, Tokyo  150
Japan
tel: +81 3 3400 2130
fax: +81 3 3406 7730


The American Translators Association (ATA) also has a Japanese language
division which publishes an occasional newsletter. For more info, contact:

John Bukacek
10000 S. Claremont
Chicago, IL  60643
tel: +1 312 779 3009
fax  +1 312 779 9843


In Australia, a group of translators and interpreters at Univ. of Queensland
publish a free (for the moment) newsletter aimed at tech. translators and
professional interpreters. The 4th annual International Japanese-English
Translators Conference (IJET-4) will he hosted (and generously subsidized, I
might add) this coming July by the Univ. of Queensland in Brisbane. To get on
their mailing list, send pertinent info (i.e., name, address, phone, fax, area
of specialization, background, hardware, etc.) to:

FORUM
c/o Key Centre for Asian Languages and Studies
University of Queensland
QLD  4072
Australia
tel: +61 7 365 6762
fax: +61 7 371 0721


Finally, ATArashii, the journal of Japanese technical translation, appears to
be rising from the ashes (at last) under a new name, Kappa. For more info,
contact:

Paul Swingle
2124 Kittredge, #754
Berkeley, CA  94704
tel: +1 510 655 7438
email: 76520.3543@@compuserve.com


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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: nomura@zen.uta.edu (Seiichi Nomura)
Subject: Wanted: perm.pos with bio/chem bkgrd
Organization: Univ. Texas at Arlington, Arlington, Texas
Distribution: sci
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:07:49 GMT

(Proxy post)

A pharmaceutical company is looking for a person
with biology or chemistry background (BS/MS/Ph.D)
who is proficient in both Japanese and English.

This is a permanent position. If you are interested
in, contact me for details (no, I am not the person
who hires but a friend of mine is).
--

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  Mechanical Engineering Department  nomura@zen.uta.edu
  University of Texas at Arlington
  Arlington, Texas 76019 0023        +1 817 273 2012 (voice/fax/msg)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: fredb@CALVIN.EDU ("Fred H. Bremmer")
Subject: Re: Japanese wordprocessor for DOS
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:46:45 GMT

Hisaharu Tanabe Writes...
> I tried both and thought NJSTAR was much better.  There's also one for
> Windows called "JWP".   I've been trying to find out on which FTP those
> can be found.

On jpl.nasa.gov you can find the following in /pub/misc

jwpedict.zip
jwpfonts.zip
jwpk48x48.zip
jwpkinfo.zip
jwpprog.zip
jwpsrc.zip
jwpwnn.zip

You'll need the latest version of pkunzip or you'll get CRC errors.
My wife and I used jwp for our wedding program last month, and it
worked great.  I've seen MOKE and NJstar, but I recommend jwp.

Fred
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 10:48:15 MST
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: FAQ: word lists available ?
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
From: luke@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Luke)

In article <9301261501.AA02488@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
>Excuse a novice on this list, but I have what I feel is bound to
>be a "Frequently Asked Question":

> I am trying to locate a file containing japanese/english word pairs
> for vocabulary practice. Even a small seed would help,
> I plan to put it behind a home-spun exercise program and enlarge it
> myself with time.

For what level are you looking?  I have a fairly extensive list of 3rd
year words that I could send you ("fairly extensive" = 18 pages).  What
formats can you accept?  It's WordPerfect 2.2J, but I can dump a text
file and mail it to you, if you can handle that.
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: yoshizaw@ADOBE.RTSG.MOT.COM (Takahito Yoshizawa)
Subject: Re: language translator association
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:39:49 GMT

In article <9301201605.AA28525@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> you write:
>   Just for an inquiry...   Is there any national (the U.S.) or regional
> (the northeast U.S.) association for language translators and inter-
>  preters?  There are a handful of people in my area, including myself,
>  who are interested in joining one.  Please let me know if any of you
>  have information about it.
>
>  Yoroshiku onegaishimasu.
>  Akiko

akiko-san,

konnichiwa.

yes, there is an association for professional translators.  i used to
work for a translation company for a while in atlanta, georgia, and i
saw a big directory of registered translators.  unfortunately, i don't
remember of the name of the association or any other related info.
but if you like, i can contact the people in the company in atlanta,
and ask them.

later,

takahito yoshizawa
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From: huttar@hp750.itg.ti.com (Lars Huttar)
Subject: Re: is this group about Japanese language or what?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:50:20 GMT
Organization: IEF Development, Texas Instruments Inc., Plano Texas
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              The opinions expressed within are those of the user and not
              necessarily those of Texas Instruments.
                                                     

asano@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Yoshiteru ASANO) writes:
>I noticed that there are so many articles on computer-related matters in this
>newsgroup.  Is this the original purpose of the group?  I thought this group
>is to talk about "Japanese language", about its grammar and other 'linguistic'
>aspects of Japanese.  Am I wrong?  Is there any other newsgroup appropriate
>for talking about Japanese-related computer affairs?
>     y.a.

cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:
> Asano san $B@uLn$5$s(B
> We do talk about "Japanese language" , grammar , characters etc, but I would
> think that this is the most appropriate group for questions about editting
> and displaying the Japanese kanji and kana. If you think about it you will
> realize that the ability to express and discuss Nihongo  is immeasurably
> affected by the presence or absence of the ability to display and to input 
> in Japanese.
> [...] Today someone was asking for help in installing MOKE. He
> is not taking up much bandwidth and I can not think of a better group for
> him to post to. Perhaps you have a suggestion?

I do... how about a group devoted to multilingual computing.
Well, maybe Japanese language computing, because if its name didn't
have "japan" in it, newcomers without a clue would invariably ask
their computer questions in sci.lang.japan.
Is it possible for one group to have two names?
Anyway, something like comp.multilingual, comp.multilingual.japan,
or sci.lang.computing.

It is true that people interested in talking about Japanese via computer
and in processing Japanese with computers are likely to be about the
same set of people.
It could even be argued that the computer questions keep this group alive.
:-)

Still, I think creating a multilingual computing or non-English
computing group would be a Good Idea.  It would probably draw some
people who never read sci.lang.japan, such as developers who are
trying to internationalize their applications...
It seems there would be a lot of potential for sharing useful information
in such a group.

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From: RWESTMOR@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Robert Westmoreland)
Subject: RE:
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:57:10 GMT

"Oboenakucha
" or "oboenakya" are colloquial equivalents of "oboenakute(wa)",
so "oboenakucha ikemasen" means "don't forget." "Oboechatta" =
 "oboete-shimatta"= "I forgot after all." I think.

Robert Westmoreland
From: fugitt@tempus.Corp.Sun.COM (Lem Fugitt-Nihon Sun US Office)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Toshiba Bazooka Wide?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 01:14:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fugitt@tempus.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: tempus.corp.sun.com

In article 2@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca, pjyamamo@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Peter Yamamoto) writes:
<=>Hello!
<=>
<=>Has anybody seen or heard of the Toshiba Bazooka Wide Television?
<=>I have seen ads for it in Japanese magazines.
<=>show a normal tv screen size in the middle.
<=>
<=>discs [sorry, I forget the proper term for when they release a video
<=>without cropping: ?-box]?


Letter box...

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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: What word is this??
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:57:26 GMT

In article <|1#@byu.edu> luke@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Luke) writes:
>Um, I hate to point this out, but the "iru" of "hairu" and the "iru" of
>"neko ga iranai" are two different words, written with different kanji...

In a strict, proper sense, you are correct.
The latter "iru" should be written with "you" as in "hitsuyou" (necessary).

But if we look into common usage, many (including writers) don't seem to
agree with you.
Even my Iwanami dictionary lists both meanings under the same heading
(with the kanji for "hairu"), commenting for the latter meaning that
the kanji "you" is more commonly (this may also mean properly) used
("'iru' [using 'you'] to kakunoga futsuu").
As for "neko-irazu", I have seen it written in kana or the "hairu" kanji,
though I don't recall seeing it with "you".

So we still have a superficial (though not semantic) asymmetry in the
two words "hae-irazu" and "neko-irazu".
OK?


As for the comment by Truett Smith:
>Am I the only one who's been near enough to the tropics to know what a 
>"mosquito net" is?  I interpret the phrase "haehairazu wo aketari sita ue ni"
>to mean "rearranging the mosquito netting".

The mosquito net you mention must be "kaya".
Kaya is a larger net that covers a good part of a whole room,
but as far as I know, it is usually used in bedrooms (in lack of a
better term) only at night.

This doesn't seem to fit the given context:
>	itu mo nara, nabe no huta wo tottari, 
>	hae-irazu wo aketari sita ue ni,
>	soba he kite Kayoko no yakikata ga doo no koo to kousyaku 
>	tokoro de aru.

which is a sketch of a person (male, according to Yamanari-san)
fiddling in the chanoma (living/dining room) and the kitchen,
being a nuisance for Kayoko.

-Yuzuru Hiraga
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