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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:21:12 EST
Reply-To:     John <john@IUS.INDIANA.EDU>
From:         John <john@IUS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fonts for PM at cica
X-To:         PUR01001@UFRJ.BITNET, PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.BITNET

Chan and Tania.

       Yes, there are some interesting fonts at the ftp.cica.indiana
server, but be aware of some limitations:


       1- Most them don't have the extended character set what
          prevents you of using some important symbols and
          accents used in european languages. Considering that
          even english writing people must use foreing languages
          words every now and then, this is kind of frustrating

       2- Most of them are rather display fonts or what is said
          to be "ornamental" or "phantasy" fonts, which are very
          interesting but not very usefull for intensive text
          documents.

       3- Recently there have been suspects that copyrighted fonts
          were uploaded. The system guys there have temporaly locked
          the access to the atm directory. Anyway its "father"
          directory  named "fonts" is still active and you will be
          able to find a couple of good fonts there.


 If you find another internet server providing ftp access to atm
 fonts, please. Let me know.


          ======================

            AMAURY  BENTES

            RIO DE JANEIRO

          ======================


try mac.archive.umich.edu or sumex-aim.stanford.edu (or something like
          that)
          wuarchive.wust1.edu
          oak.oakland.edu
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:16:01 CDT
Reply-To:     Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      How can I speed up printing?

Ellen writes...

> I'm frustrated with how long it's taking me to print a document with
> downloaded fonts. I redesigned a 28-page tabloid size newspaper that
> was done in all Times and Helvetica to the Caslon and Futura families,
> and now what had previously taken me less than 1/2 hour to print takes
> over 3-1/2 hours! I'm using tiling, and printing to a NEC Silentwriter II
> Model 90, with the standard 2 megs of RAM.

Adding RAM will definitely help, this will allow your laser to set aside more
space for font cache and page descriptions.  With only 2 Mb your laser is
having to do a fairly complicated bit of memory management when you download
fonts and send more than one page.

A spooling utility is not really going to decrease your printing times, it
will merely free up your application earlier, but most likely it will take
longer to print your document because your Macintosh isn't making the print
job as big a priority.  Of course, spooling will let you have back control of
your Macintosh.

The reason your seeing your print times increase so dramatically is due to
the fact that PageMaker is downloading your typefaces twice for each page
(your tiling generates two physical pages for each one and since your
printer doesn't have the fonts resident the page description including the
fonts are flushed each time and rebuilt).  As Henry suggested, download your
fonts first with the Apple Font Downloader.

A postscript printer has the ability to establish a font cache or a place to
store the fonts that is not used for page description.  Unless you use this
space, the fonts simply appear as a part of each page and are not stored but
get flushed at the end of each page.  Downloading a font into the cache area
makes it available to the printer just like its build-in internal fonts.
This allows the printer to inform PageMaker that those typefaces are
available and PageMaker won't download them with each page.  Your Mac may
only show you the "Downloading font: Futura-Book" only one time, but this is
merely a feedback for the user, what your Mac means is that it's preparing
your font for inclusion whenever, wherever, and as often as needed.



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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:10:12 EDT
From:         Laura Milera <DOCWOMAN@PACEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: WHERE CAN ONE OBTAIN ADDITIONAL FONTS TO THOSE IN PAGEMAKER &
              WP51?
              12 Aug 1992 01:35:25 GMT from <T.D.Sadlier@MASSEY. AC.NZ>

On Wed, 12 Aug 1992 01:35:25 GMT T.D. Sadlier said:
>Thought I'd already sent this message but haven't seen it so
>obviously not!  Has anyone any ideas as to where I'd find some
>additional fonts to use in WordPerfect and Pagemaker in addition to
>the usual in both programmes.  IE.  Where can I get Olde English
>fonts for example?  And any other fonts apart from Times Roman,
>Helvetica, Palatino, New Century Schoolbook etc etc.  Any help
>would be appreciated!
>
>Tanya Sadlier

BBL Typographic has an extensive Postscript Library of medieval and
renaissance "letterforms and typographic embellishments".  Formats are:
EPS (exported from CorelDraw) and CDR (native CorelDraw) for the PC, and
EPS (exported from Adobe Illustrator 3.0) for the Mac.  They will send
printed samples and a demo disk if you write:

BBL Typographic
137 Narrow Neck Rd, Katoomba
NSW 2780, AUSTRALIA

Fax # is: 011-61-2-826144

Laura
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Reply-To:     "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject: Re: WHERE CAN ONE OBTAIN ADDITIONAL FONTS TO THOSE IN P
X-To:         vchan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.BITNET

Victor,
Try the Bob Hope approach in your advert for European correspondents.

"This is Victor, We're looking for a few good European correspondents, Chan,
saying, "buy a Chrysler." Does that work for you? It certainly works for me.

Monte
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:18:00 EST
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From:         "SO MUCH E-MAIL, SO LITTLE TIME" <STONEC@IUBACS.BITNET>
Subject:      pm -> quark and quark -> pm

There is filter for users of QuarkXpress who want to covert a PageMakr file
into a quark file.  I have not used it , but colleagues of mine who have say
that at best it's maybe 75% effective in carrying over the stuff.  You still
have to do significant cleanup.

Several said they would rather just reimport the text and graphics again.

At this writing there is NOT a filter for a user of PM to bring a quark file
into PM -- of course most quarkXpress users would ask why would someone want to
do that?

Keep in mind this PM to Xpress hasn't been out that long, I'm hping that the
next generation of filters will be more accurate.

cindy stone

stonec@iubacs
stonec@ucs.indiana.edu

P.S.  Don't forget the listserv for Quark lives at IUBVM (Quarkexp@iubvm)
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Subject: special wp5.1 charact
Date: 15 Aug 92 08:03:58 EST
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Krweiss, in a message to All on 08-13-92 at 11:08pm, said:

KS>|I've got someone here that tried to place a WordPerfect 5.1 document in
   |PageMaker. The source document included a number of special characters 
   |WP5.1, like the degree symbol, and some greek letters (alpha, beta, etc
   |When the file is place in PageMaker, all the special characters are gon
   |_______________________________________________________________________

          I've had this experience, too, and it's a flaw in the WP
          filter that PM uses.   WP permits the use of 12 character
          sets, but the PM filter boils them down to one.  You have to
          read the document and correct each one manually.  PM is
          *very* cumbersome in creating, e.g., dinbats compared to WP
          and it's a real pain in the fanny to do it with PM.


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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:04:12 -1000
Reply-To:     "Gary A. Hartling" <hartling@HUMU.NOSC.MIL>
From:         "Gary A. Hartling" <hartling@HUMU.NOSC.MIL>
Subject: Re: Newsletter list
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>I've discovered a new list for Newsletter writers and editors (most of
>you may be members already).  It is CCNEWS@BITNIC.
>
>The description reads as follows:
>
>"The CCNEWS newsletter is published bi-weekly by EDUCOM, and focuses
>on issues related to writing, editing, design, and production of
>computing newsletters and other publications.  To subscribe, send an
>interactive message or mail to LISTSERV@BITNIC containing: SUB CCNEWS
>FirstName LastName - Institution.
>
>Contributions to the Articles Archive and CCNEWS Newsletter should be
>sent to CCNEWS@BITNIC."

This seems to work for Bitnet only. Is there an Internet address to
get this newsletter?

Gary Hartling
NRaD Hawaii Lab
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:40:53 MST
Reply-To:     TRUTH -- Geof Peters -- <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
From:         TRUTH -- Geof Peters -- <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: What's your favorite DTP magazine and why?
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

> Hi, Geof.
>         Actually, most of the replies I've received favor Publish and
> Before & After (I just ordered it).  Also, I'd like to mention a Canadian
> publication that's pretty good.  EC&I (electronic composition & imaging)
> focuses on various aspects of DTP.  Not necessarily techniques but rather
> articles that complement DTP.  For example, file compression, backup
> strategies, fonts, pre-press process, etc.  Mainly deals with Mac/PC
> (leans towards Mac a bit more) and some Unix - they published an article
> for Illustrator for NeXT.
>
> Comes out 6x a year.  $28.95/yr; $45.95/2 yrs in US funds.  Phone
> 1-800-363-3261, Fax (416) 492-7595
> Upon subscription, disk w/20 PD/SW fonts is given out to subscriber.
>
>         EC&I
>         publ. by Youngblood Communications Corp.
>         505 Consumers Rd., Ste.102
>         Willowdale, Ontario
>         M2J 4V8  CANADA
>
> Hopes this adds to the list.
> BTW, do you use FH 3 for Windows?

Thanks Victor! I will put an extra star in the FAQ beside Publish and
Before & After.  I will also add EC&I and quote you from above on it,
if you do not mind. You might forward the information above to the
rest of the list -- I probably will not be able to include all of the
info in the FAQ. Thanks again for the info!

As for "FH 3 for Windows" do you mean Freehand? If so, I am purely a
Corel Man. For some odd reason, I feel strangely loyal to them --
maybe because Corel Draw is just about all the do.

Geof.

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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:33:16 CDT
Reply-To:     Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Jeff Bone, techie with a wallet

Jonathan writes...

> Everybody give Mr. Bone a big electronic hand! What a resource to have on this
> list! Thanks jeff.

How 'bout something a little less virtual.  All those who think I'm the
greatest (more lavish adjectives deleted for time concerns) just email me
your VISA-Mastercard-American Express card number or if you're into
traditional things --- CASH!  :)

Seriously, your welcome.  You guys may think I'm some big guru sitting here
answering questions, but believe me I learn a lot from you guys too, my
grandmother used to say listening is a virture (although I don't think she was
the first).



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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:07:12 -0400
Reply-To:     "Jeffrey L. Needleman" <JNeedleman@MCIMAIL.COM>
From:         "Jeffrey L. Needleman" <JNeedleman@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      How can I speed up printing?
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

SuperLaserSpool is undoubtedly one of the most useful tools to speed up
PageMaker printing on the Mac. It is the only real spooler I know about for
System 7 which works with the Aldus driver.

Print Monitor doesn't know how to use the Aldus driver. It simply passes
the commands directly to the printer without spooling them. So although it
SEEMS to be working while printing with the Aldus driver (there's no crash
or freeze, and you do get your output eventually) it is not doing any real
spooling at all.

When SuperLaserSpool is installed and a print command is issued, it quickly
writes a postscript file to disk and handles all communications with the
printer in the background. It's amazingly fast, error-free, and soon
returns control of your Mac to you so that you continue with your tasks.
It's also better and faster than Print Monitor if you use the Apple driver
in any program. (It has a few other features too. You can specify different
printers for the print queue, assign priorities for printing, change the
queue order, and preview a document before printing right from the queue.)

Of the options Ellen Lorang asks about to speed up printing (Hi,
Ellen--Ellen and I are neighbors both at MCIMail and here in beautiful Ann
Arbor, MI), I'd go with SLS first. That should solve the problem. And it's
a purchase that any PageMaker user will never regret!

I have no connection with Fifth Generation Systems, but I've been using SLS
in its various incarnations ever since it was shipped free with my first
SuperMac DataFrame XP20 hard drive six years ago...

Jeff Needleman  <JNeedleman@MCIMail.com>
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:27:33 EDT
From:         "Austin Twigg Catonsville CC OTC Printing AAKL0"
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Subject:      Announcing to PM Users -- that the QuarkExp list is now active...
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Was there much discussion about whether or not to use XPress when used
as the Quark program name?
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From:         "SO MUCH E-MAIL, SO LITTLE TIME" <STONEC@IUBACS.BITNET>
Subject:      printing PC PM 4.0 to an HPII

I have a consulting job on PC PM, and my client has an Hewletter Packard SEries
II printer.  They're using Windows 3.1 and PC PM 4.0.  The printer has 2.5 meg
of printer memory.  (The CPU has 4 meg of RAM.)

Why don't doucments print with all their graphics in place.  You'd think 2.5
meg of printer ram was enough?  Their graphics are dropped out and you have to
form feed the rest of the graphics out on separate pages.

Their problems fiels were using true type fonts in short 2page flyers in
landscape mode.  We use a postscript pritner at my univ. office and it only has
2 megs of printer ram, and we never have this problem.

So -- can an HP have more than 2.5 meg of printer ram added?  What's the max?

Does truetype in windows gobble tons of memory as it prints?  I feel foolish
that I can't offer my client better info, but I left the world of HP's about
three years ago....

Any advice is appreciated....

cindy stone

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From:         TRUTH -- Geof Peters -- <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      Pagemaker FTP sites
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

I am not sure if this was clear or not. The Pagemaker FAQ and all of
its support lists (Tips, etc) are now available via anonymous FTP.
The site is SCRIBE.UWYO.EDU. (Contact me if you need the numerical
octets)

I am looking into CICA or SUMEX as additional sites.

Geof.
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Subject:      Jeff Bone, techie extraordinaire

Everybody give Mr. Bone a big electronic hand! What a resource to have on this
list! Thanks jeff.

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From: ehle@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ehle)
Subject: Text block blocks graphic in Quark
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:44:42 GMT

I started sending this message and had some trouble over the phone
line; part of it may have been posted accidentally, for which I
apologize.

I know there's now a listserver for Quark, but I'm only an occasional
user so haven't subscribed.

Problem:
I have text over a graphic object, and the text block appears to block
the object. In other words, not only the letters, but the block in
which they sit blocks the graphic behind them. This is a simple thing
to fix, I'm sure. Can some Quarky help me?



-- 
		
				Rob Ehle
				Stanford University Press
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:22:07 CDT
Reply-To:     Marc Becker <MABECKER@UKANVM.BITNET>
From:         Marc Becker <MABECKER@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      headers and clipboard

I'm working with Pagemaker on a IBM and I'm running into 2 problems:

1) I want to set up a left-justified number and a right-justified name
on the header of a document.  I do this on the master pages, but when I go
to the normal pages (and on the printed copies) the left-justified item has
moved a bit toward the center.  Has anybody else experienced this, or
know a way around it?

2) When I try to import text from the clipboard to PM, I get an error
message that the clipboard import filter has not been properly installed.
I can't find, however, a clipboard filter.  What do I need to do about this?

Thanks for the help.

MARC BECKER
UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS
           MABECKER@UKANVM (BITNET)
           MARC@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU (INTERNET)
From: Dave.Beaujean@davespc.mi.org (Dave Beaujean)
Sender: FredGate@davespc.mi.org
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Subject: Fontographer for windows
Distribution: world
Date: 16 Aug 92 13:52:00 EST

Hi All!

In a msg of <15 Aug 92>, Victor Chan writes to All:

 VC> Dave,
 VC>         check out Windows magazine from time to time.  I heard about
 VC> Fontographer 'bout 1 month ago in the new product section.  It was
 VC> retailing for $495 US (?!).  That $295, I'm assuming, is the
 VC> educational cost?

 VC> BTW, I heard that Pagemaker 5.0 is due for a release this spring/next
 VC> summer.  Anybody confirm this?

No, nothing was mentioned about the price being an educational
price. It was refered to as "special introductory offer".
I also heard PM5.0 is supposed to do color separations.
Can't wait to see it!!!

Dave

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From: mr@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (Michael Regoli)
Subject: Re: Fonts at CICA
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:23:49 GMT

In <BRECHER.92Aug13174547@husc8.harvard.edu> brecher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jonathan Brecher) writes:

>In article <0095F0A5.D2BD9E40.22479@uwwvax.uww.edu>
96942392@UWWVAX.UWW.EDU writes: 

>>For those of you who haven't checked at CICA lately, they have locked all of
>>the ATM and True Type fonts from being downloaded.

>About time!  They've had some pretty blatant violations there for a long time,
>and it's so easy for people to assume that if it's at an ftp site, it must
>be ok to distribute.

Well with over 40Mb of fonts, plus those that come in daily it's a bit
difficult tracking the sources of each.  (It also doesn't help that
some font conversion programs claim ownership of a font converted with
its product.  So I question the wholesale "stamping" of copyright
notices in these font files just because you use their product.)

We are currently working on sorting through these fonts.  When we
reopen these directories, we will have documented everything and will
have removed the so called "blatant violations."

Of course, by our taking the time and purging these files it will by
no stretch of the imagination remove them from the software
distribution channel as we know it.  These files will still exist;
people will try to continue uploading them to ftp sites (ours
included) and  BBS's which will force, at least us, from accepting
fonts of any kind. 

It's a shame.

--
michael regoli
mr@cica.indiana.edu
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