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From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Help!!
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:48:28 GMT

In article <14AUG199214242308@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> scridd@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
>Is somebody making some money here?  Why do they need a class with a $26
>fee to teach nude etiquette?  It seems like something that can be written
>up on a page or two and passed out.

See my follow-up to Benjamin's post for who and what is
going on here. Gary charges money to pay for
the room rental where each seminar is held.

The reason for such a class, free or fee, is to
instill the newcomer with reasonable expectations
to avoid problems before they come up. Explain
how nude recreation is accepted by others,
remind them of the Golden Rule, that kind
of stuff. Sounds alright to me.

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: EXERCISE (short)
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 03:50:54 GMT

In article <3488@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <Aug19.200915.26181@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> jonc@ulysses.atmos.colostate.edu (Jon Cornick) writes:
>>  Exercise not done with full veiw of the range of motion and constriction of 
>>the skin in response to muscles tensing is like avoiding the rewards of a 
>>tough workout.
>	( I hate people who play games with the headers...)
>	Some kinds of exercise require clothes.

So wear clothes!

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
From: mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: rec.nude or alt.sex ????
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:02:12 GMT
Organization: Allied Fibers, Petersburg VA

In article <1992Aug19.152916.8162@hubcap.clemson.edu>, jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:
> Alt.sex is no longer carried by our server and from talks with other
> people round the world this is true at there sites as well.  This is
> good in my view as alt.sex was the most depraved, silly, waste of
> resources I have ever seen.

You must not get 'talk.bizarre' or 'alt.flame'.  They're even worse.
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From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Natural
Date: 14 Aug 1992 23:34:21 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
Distribution: world,local
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu


[someone, name withheld]
>> As to defecation, it is a public health hazard.

[someone else, name withheld]
>But it is 100% natural!  


It seems that some people here (not necessarily those quoted above, which is
why I removed the names) think that the mere fact something is 'natural' makes
it good and right anytime and anyplace.  Perhaps that would be the argument
of the hardcore naturist.  I don't think 'natural' alone is sufficient
to warrant legalization.  Some of the feelings I have towards fellow
drivers on the crowded freeway here are very natural (in that many people
share those feelings) but I doubt if any of you would advocate making the
natural acts which follow those feelings legal.  [i.e. I think it would
be very natural for me to rip the head off of someone who cuts me off on
a freeway on/off ramp.]  Even though defecation is natural the known health
problems justify placing some limitations on where it is allowed.


With regards to nudity I believe one large component of the anti-nudity
cry is "it's unnatural".  Thus, arguing that nudity is natural is a counter
measure to those who would oppose it claiming it is unnatural.

One other way that "nude is natural" helps us is that it puts the weight on
the oppositions shoulders to show (if they can) that it is bad and should
be outlawed.  They must find some valid, supportable argument to limit it.

-- 
Thomas Earl Middleton		| Camping Bares:  "An Anarchist Disorganization
aka Happy Bare			| Dedicated to the Destruction of the Fabric of
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu	| Our Society"
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: Tom.Martens@f583.n107.z1.ieee.org (Tom Martens)
Subject: INFO ON TAMPA BAY/ST PETERSBURG
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/583 - Starship ][, Lyndhurst NJ
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 13:20:38 GMT

Scott, I'm reading old messages this morning.  Yours caught my attention.
Have you yet visited Tampa?  If yes, tell me about your travels or findings in the Naturist World. If no, I can be very helpful in providing information on Naturist Vacations.  I currently operate a Nudist Club called NEATES-Naturist Emtertainment Activities Travel - 201*670-8747
I will get email, but it will be named Tom martens.  Just start the message, Francene
Naturally....
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From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Subject: Re: Interesting (?) opinion :)
Reply-To: glenm@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:25:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.134811.24511@cc.tut.fi>, ta66863@cc.tut.fi (Ahlqvist Tero) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>     I'm not going to start new rec.nude.flame.sex.on.the.... discussion,
|> There has just been some arguments I dont agree.
|> 
|>     1.  Exhibitionists dont come to CO beach
|>     OR  nudists aren't exhibitionists.
|> 
|>     2.  nudists dont act like peeping-Toms
|> 
|>     Sorry if I offend some of you with this article, but I think that
|> some of you out there are super-humans. You go to nude-beach and don't
|> want to expose yourself, then you strip all you clothing...
|> Then you see other people naked and you don't look their cocks, tits or
|> buttocks, you just see the face.
|>     I can't point anyone of you, but this is the feeling I've got reading
|> some sex-opposite articles.
|> 
|> AAAAHHHHH I can see the huge flow of disagrees and flames I'm sinking
|> I can't breath any mor..    ;-P

Well, I hope this doesn't sound like a flame ...

Perhaps you are right about some of the people here. For myself,
and some others, I'd like to express and alternative explanation.

Certainly, we *do* look at "cocks, tits, or buttocks" when we are
at the beach. That's life. That's natural. However, we don't pay
any *special* attention to them, largely because we are *used*
to seeing them.

Though I did see a guy with a number of unusual body pierces
recently ... Certainly I looked at *his* penis longer than I
might otherwaise have done!

Looking, though, doesn't make us Peeping Tom's. A Peeping Tom is
someone who grooves on looking at or watching people covertly,
usually when others aren't aware of his presence. Such as, though
a crack in the curtains. As has been mentioned before on this
list, and exhibitionist derives pleasure from displaying parts
of his body that people don't expect, to (usually) shock or
offend. I'm not sure you *can* be an exhibitionist at a CO
site (except perhaps if you show your exotic body piercings 8-)

Cheers,

glen

PS. Bill, if you're reading this, Hi! Yes, we're homesick. But 
the west coast doesn't sound much like home these days - you're
getting too much sunshine!

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Glen Martin              Bell-Northern Research          Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Phone : (613) 763-7299   Fax: (613) 763-2626             Internet: glenm@bnr.ca
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From: 11mbruce@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: ORGASMS
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:31:30 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

Let's see some merging of the brains here. Tell me the names and the
descriptions of the various types of orgasms. I'm sure many of you nudists must
have extensive knowledge in this part of the area as well. 

Mere

"Stupidity is a common trait among common man"
From: polecat!steve@cacti.mcws.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: rec.nude or alt.sex ????
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22:11:38 PDT
Organization: The Wacko Family, Tujunga CA

jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:
> there inexperienced fantasizing.  If this keeps up, I think I will have
> to stop reading this list. Have any of you other rec.nudists noticed
> this trend of late?
> 
> Jim

 Jim, you're a snob. Feel free to axe-murder your terminal!

_______________________________________________________________________________
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    Steve                                                   Polecat@cacti
          Free your mind- and the rest will follow...- en Vogue 
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From: dharma@verdix.com (Manjeri Dharmarajan)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Sex on the beach
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:12:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: verdix.4591
Reply-To: dharma@VERDIX.COM (Manjeri Dharmarajan)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Verdix Western Operations; Aloha, OR

In article <4693@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:
>The "problem" that nobody can see is that these 100% natural activities that
>they now want to do among the naturists endanger the status of the beach.
>Why aren't these 100% natural activites explored in a setting other than
>that of the "nude" beach?  Why not at a State and or Federal Park?  Why not
>under Macy's Clock at High Noon?  Why must they be done at the "nude" beach?
>
>Terry ":-P for the humor impaired" Wood

The people at the textile beach have already made the decision that civil rights
are meaningless. If some activity offends them, they will ban it. They admit 
they are uptight, and are driven more by religious/social pressure than
rational thinking.

The nudists, on the other hand, claim to be free from such superstitions. They
vaunt their championing of freedom, of civil rights, and the wholesomeness of
naturist activities.

That is why we point out to them that sex is very similar to nudity. And 
somebody who respects the right of somebody to do as they want, as long as
it doesn't cause direct harm, should not object to public sex.

The only valid objection from naturists may be that public sex on nude beaches
may cause the authorities to close the beaches. But that should be prefaced by
a "Public sex is ok, but..." and not a "You sinful, twisted, perverts..."

As to defecation, it is a public health hazard.

	Dharma
From: sec20@ras.amdahl.com (Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: message for Wes
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:18:11 GMT
Followup-To: Florida trip


Sorry to use this news network for personnel messages, but I
posted an inquiry on the Tampa Bay area and I got a response
from Wes W.  I`ve tried to reply back but my messages keep
bouncing back. Wes, I either have your wrong email address,
or your mailer is sick or ???. Please let me know.

Scott
-- 
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Subject: CORRECTION - Trip Report - Lake Ontario
Reply-To: glenm@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 12:47:17 GMT

This is a correction to my previously posted trip report. I erroneously
reported that the outdoor pool at Ponderosa was 50 meters. It is, in
fact, 25 meters. I keep doing this - I just can't get used to the fact
that they don't used 'Olympic Size' pools in the Olympics ...

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Phone : (613) 763-7299   Fax: (613) 763-2626             Internet: glenm@bnr.ca
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: tcumming@netcom.com (Tom Cumming)
Subject: Re: After Hours at Bonny Doon? (Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde of the Coast ?)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:51:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: ba

In article <ZOWIE.92Aug16103908@daedalus.stanford.edu> zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest) writes:
>Now I'm considering a campout at Bonny Doon -- but I've heard that the 
>night scene there is pretty vicious:  lots of loud, alcoholic parties,
>fights, and frequent visits by the Beach Patrol.  Apparently there've
>even been stabbings and so forth.  Is this true?  Does Bonny Doon have
>an uglier nighttime face?

    Yes. During the day it's a wonderfull friendly place... at night 
...watch out!

    In fact it you look up on the hill above the road southwest of the parking
lot there are two signs with white crosses on them... in memory of two kids
run over by fellow drunken partyers. 

    One year after the "great 4th of July party" we picked up 70 large bags
of garbage.

    There was a highschool graduation party (unofficial) there one night. 
I counted 4 *Greyhound busses* plus a full parking lot of cars. They were
dragging wooden pallets (for fires) out of the busses and leaving the ones
they could'nt carry on highway 9 (I know, I almost hit one).

    Even before the sun has really gone down yet, the "riff raff" start
coming down. I mean there are some really *mean* looking characters that
come down there... and they bring some pretty hard liqueur with them. I
think that the big parties are actually safer then these individuals.

    We have complained (A lot!) to the county, and to the sheriff dept.
They started *heavy* patrols during 4th of July partys, and enforcing
night time parking regulations. This stopped the big party on the 4th.

    They also hired "Rent-a-Cops" to patrol the beaches. This really
cut down on the problems during the day. Unfortunatly, the first thing the
Rent-a-Cops did was to try to tell us that "this is not a nude beach".
We have kinda ignored them, but they still watch us like we are the 
criminals. They also drive these jeeps on the beach, and it's really
unnerving to be lying there and suddenly have a jeep pull up.

    I don't know if the beach patrols have impacted the nighttime activities.
Maybe it's safe nowdays, but I suspect that the Rent-a-Cops are there only
during the day, and maybe ticket cars at night.

Tom C. 

P.S.  Sheriff deputies shot someone last weekend about 2 miles north of
Bonny Dune :-(  Maybe things have'nt changed.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: gilyeatc@source.asset.com (Colin Gilyeat)
Subject: Directions to San Onefre
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:57:08 GMT
Organization: Asset Source for Software Engineering Technology

Sorry to waste the bandwidth for this since I seem to recall these directions
given recently, but I'm going to be in San Diego, CA next week and would like
directions to the CO area at San Onefre.

Please E-Mail reponses to me.

Thanks in advance
Colin Gilyeat
gilyeatc@source.asset.com
From: speers@opus.mcds.com (Daniel E. Speers)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: ORGASMS
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:40:20 EDT
Organization: Dan's Domain, Randolph, New Jersey

11mbruce@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

> Let's see some merging of the brains here. Tell me the names and the
> descriptions of the various types of orgasms. I'm sure many of you nudists mu
> have extensive knowledge in this part of the area as well. 
> 
> Mere
> 
> "Stupidity is a common trait among common man"


  Isn't this an alt.sex question?
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: What's up with the Harvard pool?
Summary: What's up with the Harvard pool, anyway?
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:51:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA

roy@engin.umich.edu (Roy William Feague) quotes:
>sirota#m#_alex@msgate.corp.apple.com (Alex Sirota) writes:
>>feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
>>> My girlfriend while I was attending Michigan once went swimming nude
>>> in the women's pool with a friend. Maybe the U should have clothing
>>> optional hours at the pools.
>>
>>Which swimming pool is this Dave? The natatorium you mean? I am up for a
>>nude outing at U of M. 

That's neat about U of M.

Now, what's up with this pool at Harvard. Sounded
nice while it lasted, since they were cool about
what you chose to wear swimming, no matter what
your sex.

Pretty strange how it only developed leaks after a
wild party. The word is, that's the trademark of that
dorm, so no big deal.

Stranger still, I hear that although they don't have
the money to fix the leaks in the dorm pool, they
do have the money to convert it into a theatre.

What's the deal, anyway?

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
From: kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Uptightness about sex & ...
Summary: clarifications about attributions
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:07:47 GMT
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<

In article <krikket.5973@meltdown.chi.il.us> krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:
>In article <palmer.713020971@isye.gatech.edu>, palmer@isye.gatech.edu (Michael
>T. Palmer) writes:
[oops, this is what happens when people are less than conscientious about
attributions.  Michael T. Palmer did not write the following, he only
quoted it.  I (kurt) wrote it: ]
>>>> What kind of anti-sex crap is this?  Fuck the state!  Fuck the
>>>> government!  Fuck other people's uptight beliefs!  Do what
>>>> thou wilt.
[ Here's what Michael wrote: ]
>>Do what thou wilt?  I thought this was rec.nude not alt.satanism.  Get
[...]
>>Bodies are one thing.  What you do with them is entirely different.
[Here I would like to point out that Michael is the second person, not me.
Apologies if this already is obvious to you. -kurt-]
>Two extremes here.  Neither person seems to have a grip on the whole
>picture. [...]
[...]
>The second person doesn't seem to know his facts either.  The "Do what thou
>wilt" has nothing to do with Satanism. [...]
[...]
>Just another commentary on the sad state of affairs of our nation today.
amen.
[...]
-- 
kurt@grogatch.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
e-mail me at kurt@eskimo.celestial.com for a copy of Bob Black's essay,
"The Abolition of Work"
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: More than beaches
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:42:40 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <> craigbr@informix.com (Craig Browning) writes:
>Fair enough. But it's also fair to say the public is trying to accomplish
>ONE goal - beach recreation for everyone - with beaches, and that it shouldn't

I don't speak for TNS or any other organized group.  I can speak for the
Camping Bares but they aren't organized. :-)  Anyway, please, lets not limit
the discussion to beaches.  Most of my outdoors nudity is on public lands
many miles from any beach.  I think it would help in this discussion if we
all understood we are talking about public (as in owned by the public) lands
and beaches are just a subset of that.

-- 
Thomas Earl Middleton		| Camping Bares:  "An Anarchist Disorganization
aka Happy Bare			| Dedicated to the Destruction of the Fabric of
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu	| Our Society"
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Missouri wants to get naked!
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 06:41:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.195249.1@vax1.umkc.edu> ttasset@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>Does anyone out there know where I could get into a nudist group near Kansas
>City, Missouri?
>Any info would be greatly appreciated.  You can't really look it up in the
>Yellowpages now, can you?  ;-)

Of course you can! It depends on how much money each group is
willing to pay to advertise. Rates are not cheap. The
response is staggering, however.

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
From: mcsdc1jcwj@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: EXERCISE (long)
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:49:52 BST
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

Well done jon. Great name too .

Clothes are unnecessary at the best of times . I just wish more people would
recognise this . Surely everyone knows what they look like naked . There isn't
that much variation between people . So why the hangup ?? 
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From: jew@Sunquest.COM (Ward... James Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Sex on the beach
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:16:58 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Sunquest Information Systems
In-reply-to: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca's message of Wed, 12 Aug 1992 07:24:46 GMT

Well, I guess it's time I told about the nude beach I've frequented.
It's in remote NW Arkansas if anyone cares.

I've seen lots of sex there, and been seen having sex there myself.  I
don't guess I see the problem.  Maybe the only reason to get naked in
NW Arkansas is to be an exhibitionist?  I don't think so.  I think sex
is just as natural as nudity and what's natural happens, you know?
--
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shaw Goh)
Subject: x rated gifs
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:48:43 GMT

Where can I find x-rated gifs.  Anonymous ftp site needed.

Please respond via email

skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Exercise
Date: 15 Aug 1992 20:50:26 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu


In article <> megs@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Meg Sisson) writes:
>I am finally able to post properly to this group. 

Welcome.

>I am guessing the CO resorts might offer some exercise programs 
>beyond beach volleyball :-) Does any one know of such or had any other 
>experience in nude exercises, not necessarily yoga? Does jogging 
>really require support (both male/female) or is the clothing industry 
>just trying to sell more apparel?

I once heard a report that some Japanese entrepreneurs put together
a couple of video-tape courses on golf and tennis using nude participants.
I think the nudity was there more to sell the tapes than to promote nudity.
I'm looking for a nudist aerobics video.

People have already mentioned the obvious swimming.  At many clubs tennis
is also popular but people tend to wear shoes.  Much of the early naturist
movement was health oriented and included exercise.  The Camping Bares hike
nude, on one occasion (so far) rode bicycles nude and also canoe nude.

With regards to support, it is pretty much a personal thing.  If you flop
around a lot you might wish to wear some support.  It is not uncommon to
see women playing tennis wearing a support bra and tennis shoes and nothing
else.

-- 
Thomas Earl Middleton		| Camping Bares:  "An Anarchist Disorganization
aka Happy Bare			| Dedicated to the Destruction of the Fabric of
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu	| Our Society"