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From: dleonard@wixer.cactus.org (Dale Leonard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: SX-64
Date: 10 Jan 93 08:39:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: wixer.1993Jan10.083917.21033
Organization: Real/Time Communications

Anyone know where I can pick up a SX-64 fairly cheaply????
Kinda want one to play around with and to do some work on...
If ya know of one cheaply please send me e-mail...
                                            Dale Leonard

Also have a friend that is looking to buy a C-64 or C-64C.

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From: jfarmer@cs.utk.edu (JOHN FARMER)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: New owner of C-64/128 questions
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:08:58 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu
Summary: We got a lot of stuff, what is it!


Before I begin my list of questions, let me say that I am not computer
illiterate.  I've been programming for 19 years and still use CP/M at
home (Kaypro 4'84).  But I've just purchased Commodore stuff for 
my Dad and my Cousin and I have some questions.  Between the 3 of us, 
we now have 2-128's, 3-64's, various peripherals and 300 diskettes of 
*STUFF*.  I can't say that I got everything on the face of the earth 
for the Commodore, but except for the Bible, MIDI, and the Complete 
Works of Infocom, I feel like I just about did.

Questions:
     If a program calls for a mouse can you use a joystick (and vice
          versa).  I seem to remember in one of the Compute magazines
          (Yes, I got a stack of them too 1984-1988) there was something
          about how to use the keyboard if the pgm called for a joystick.

     Where can I get paper for the Okimate-10?

     I use Wordstar 4.0, and I need to teach my mom to use a word processor.
          I know I have Paperclip III, Jane 128, and Creative Writer.  I'm
          sure there are others as well.  What is going to be the easiest
          to teach a completely computer illeterate person?

     Is there a way to back up a cartridge to a floppy?  I'm distrustful
          of software that I can't backup.

     Is there a way to speed up CP/M on the 128?  We tried to play Zork
          for the Kaypro and it was sooooooooooooooo slooooooooooooow, as 
          to be almost unbearable.

     Is there a way to get a *real* vanilla RS-232 port on the 64/128?  I
          know you can get Printer adapters.  I'm going to go order one 
          as soon as I get done here.

     Where does one get GIF viewers for the C-64/128?  Can you print the
          stuff out?  (I pay be a programmer, but I'm completely
          ignorant about the current state of computer graphics.).

     Is there an archives for C-64/128 public domain software?

     What's the best disk cataloguer to use (IYHO)?

     One of the 128's is sick.  (Bad serial port, and bad RGB port.  Can
          I fix this?  Or does it really need to be serviced?

     Given that you have no idea what's included on my 287 disks, what
          should I try to get (in case I don't have it).  What should
          I make sure that I *do* have?

Thanks ever so much.

Susan


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     And now she wants to go back to grad school after 14 years .....  
     We'll let her out when the delusion passes.
From: ec_ind03@Oswego.EDU (William Jhun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: 6510 CROSS ASSEMBLER
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:02:26 GMT
Reply-To: ec_ind03@oswego.Oswego.EDU (William Jhun)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <1993Jan10.212107.18909@netcom.com> fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
>ec_ind03@Oswego.EDU (William Jhun) writes:
>
>>Beware! Beware! Under development is CASM6510! It will support the
>>folowing features:
>
>>* For MS-DOS computers
>
>>* Macros and labels
>
>>* Variables accepted
>
>>* Complete 6510 instruction set
>
>What is it source-compatible with?  I has hundreds of K of source code
>that I've written, all of it compatible with Commodore's original macro
>assembler.  The whole problem I've had with using an MS-DOS based
>assembler is that all of my source code has to be redone.  (I really
>really loved using local labels, which no other assembler seems to
>understand).
>

I will try to make it as general as possible (I'm trying to route for a
buddy-64 compat.) Therefore minor modifications would be needed.


William Jhun(ec_ind03@cloy.oswego.edu)

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|State University of New York  | Commodore and IBM                     |
|at Oswego                     | C, 6510, 8088, BASIC, COMAL, LOGO...  |   
|"For those of you who are illiterate..forget it, you can't read this."|
From: nevs@cs.tu-berlin.de (Sven Goldt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: SCSI Interface
Date: 12 Jan 1993 14:06:01 GMT
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: hektor.cs.tu-berlin.de
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hi dudes,
i just wanna draw your attention to the SCSI project,that
is currently running.Some guys that do read this newsgroup
got together to build an SCSI Interface for the C64.
Principle like this:

                   +---------+
 ---------+       |(patched)| (transfer to C64 and refresh)
 C64      |    +--| MOS 8726|-DRAM SIMMs (256kB-4MB)------Internal address -+
 Expansion|-+--+-+|   REC   |                             and data bus  -   |
 port     | |  | |+---------+                                          |.|--+
 ---------+ |  | |     |  +----- Internal DMA request line ------------|.|
            |  | |     +-------- Internal Bus available line ----------|.|
            |  | +-------------- C64 data bus and partial address bus -|.|
            |  +---------------- Some CS lines ------------------------|.|
            +-- Operating system EPROM ($8000-$9FFF), outswitchable     -
                                                     New expansion bus -^

So if you wanna get a HD for your C64 then wait and get this !


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From: Russell.Alphey@p1.f570.n635.z3.fidonet.org (Russell Alphey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Super-C
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:51:00

I'm playing with Super-C V2.0 (C-64 mode) and finding that a large
program I'm writing comes up with "exception error ?" during the link
phase.  The manual says that "This error does not occur under normal
circumstances".

Helpful, huh?

So, is there a later version of Super-C for the '64, or does anybody
have a copy of Super-C for the 128 (v3.0 or later) they want to part
with?  Or, can anybody help me with deciphering the bug?

(I'm trying to write a file merger for DCMR)

Thanks,

Ralphey.

 * Origin: A pointed message from Ralphey! (3:635/570.1)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
From: fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: About my cruncher again...
Organization: Foxes 'R' Us - Seven locations to serve you
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:12:44 GMT

schuetz@fm11ap01.tu-graz.ac.at (Alexander Schuetz) writes:

>>The number of people who own REU's is very small compared to the number
>>of people who own C64's.  You *have* limited your audience.

>Well, I guess I have limited it to everyone who is interested in a sophistica-
>ted Lempel/Ziv style cruncher with enourmous speed compared to all known 
>existing ones. Must be VERY few indeed. :-)

Actually, you have limited it to people who want a fast LZ cruncher and
also have or had an extra $200 to spend on an REU.  C64 owners don't
usually have a lot of money.  That's why they bought C64's.  :)

>>Won't that be a little slow?  No, make that *very* slow.

>That's right, and actually I dont like the idea either.... just get a ram
>expansion, everyone! Look how much time its gonna save you all.

Which is faster, using your algorithm with a swap disk drive, or using
the original DarkSqueezer?  Hard to say.  :)  Fast load/save technology
would probably help, though.  Sounds like an interesting project, but a
lot of work for a rather small audience.  I still contend that the
number of people who have any use at all for a cruncher program is very
small.  How many people have replied to you about this cruncher?

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#define  FALSE  1   |
#endif              | "911 Emergency Rescue Service - Can you hold, please?"
From: mcmillan_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: Compatibility between GEOS and GeoWorks Ensemble?
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:21:21 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1677@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, sppst4+@pitt.edu (Sean P Peck) writes:

> In article <HERMIT.93Jan3030459@am.ucsc.edu> hermit@cats.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward) writes:
>>I've heard of a product for the MS-DOS world called "GeoWorks
>>Ensemble"... Is this in any way compatible with Commodore 128/64 GEOS?

>      The data files are compatible for the most part, but you must NULMODEM 
> them over to your IBM. 

I've used both programs.... you need a utility called geoPCX to get
GEOPAINT files to geoDRAW. CBM geos text files have to be converted to ASCII
text then imported to Geoworks. It would have been much nicer if there had
been more compatibilty.

Geoworks printed output is magnificent, though!

Cheers - Kirk
From: goldt@wronski.math.tu-berlin.de (Sven Goldt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: About my cruncher again...
Date: 8 Jan 1993 11:12:24 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: wronski.math.tu-berlin.de
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Well,
there are good crunchers out like cruel cruncher,abuze cruncher
or Power Cruncher.Some tools are only for elite like
the JCH composer etc. and if you don't know about these
tools then you don't need them.Simply as that.


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From: ec_ind03@Oswego.EDU (William Jhun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: IRC MEETING
Date: 10 Jan 93 23:45:08 GMT
Reply-To: ec_ind03@oswego.Oswego.EDU (William Jhun)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE UN-AWARE OF IRC (get ready for a BIG surprise!):

telnet to BRADENVILLE.ANDREW.CMU.EDU

THEN it will show you some info about it... Then where it says "Nick",
type in your Nickname, or alias. Then it will ask for your terminal type.
Fill that in. When it clears the screen and it scrolls all the info, your in.
Usually there are about 600-1200 people on at a time. To list all the
people, (I suggest you don't do this, unless your insane) type /who *
To get a list of channels, type /list
Format of channel "/list":
ex:
\/Name   \/#of users\/ current topic (set by /topic #channelname text...)
#channel  users  topic
----------------------
#fubar    13     PARTY PARTY PARTY PARTY!!!!
#plblbl    5     
#wobler    9     BZZZZT!
Pvt (this you can't join)
#wobars    1     Join one, Join two, Join all!

To join a channel, type "/join #channelname" whereas the # is just a #
sign... it is always before channelnames. 

Once in a channel, incoming messages will show up as:

<<nickname>>  Text...
You can talk to the channel by just typing out the text, all by itself,
and then hit ENTER. Ex:

<bocee> Hey Ron, hows that ML prog goin?
<Ron> It sux, i quit it.
 >> Hey everyone! (<- This is what shows up after you type "Hey everyone!"
                      it looks like "<ernie> Hey everyone!" to everyone else.
                      (assuming your nickname is "ernie"))
<bocee> Hey, ernie.


You can quit by typing "/quit". Or to just exit the channel, type "/part
#channelname".
To send private messages... type "/msg <nicknameofpersontosendto> <text>"
ex:
/msg Ron Hey dude, whats up?
Which shows up to them as:
*ernie* Hey dude, whats up?

All incoming private messages have the nickname surrounded by a star on
each side of it and the text following. ex "*Ron* get lost, ernie"

Well thats just about all you need to know. If you need help, type "/help"

*The quick IRC tutorial, by William Jhun* :)

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|SUNY OSWEGO                   | Programming Since 1986     13115-0346 | 
|State University of New York  | Commodore and IBM                     |
|at Oswego                     | C, 6510, 8088, BASIC, COMAL, LOGO...  |   
|"For those of you who are illiterate..forget it, you can't read this."|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
From: fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: 6510 CROSS ASSEMBLER
Organization: Foxes 'R' Us - Seven locations to serve you
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:21:07 GMT

ec_ind03@Oswego.EDU (William Jhun) writes:

>Beware! Beware! Under development is CASM6510! It will support the
>folowing features:

>* For MS-DOS computers

>* Macros and labels

>* Variables accepted

>* Complete 6510 instruction set

What is it source-compatible with?  I has hundreds of K of source code
that I've written, all of it compatible with Commodore's original macro
assembler.  The whole problem I've had with using an MS-DOS based
assembler is that all of my source code has to be redone.  (I really
really loved using local labels, which no other assembler seems to
understand).

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#ifdef TRUE         | Fuzzy Fox                  fuzzy@netcom.com
#define  TRUE   0   | a.k.a. David DeSimone      an207@cleveland.freenet.edu
#define  FALSE  1   |
#endif              | "911 Emergency Rescue Service - Can you hold, please?"
From: msmakela@cc.helsinki.fi (Marko Mkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Getting VT 100 specifications (Was: Re: 128 terms)
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:19:48 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1681@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, sppst4+@pitt.edu (Sean P Peck) writes:

> Might anyone have a complete documentation for the vt100 emulation?

Have you tried to get manuals of Digital VT series terminals? They should list
everything.

BTW, why not use vt220 or even vt320 emulation? They include many efficient
commands, inserting and deleting lines and vertical scrolling, for instance.

Marko
From: jfarmer@cs.utk.edu (JOHN FARMER)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: c128 and disk formats
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:06:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennessee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu

Is it possible to use a 128 with a 1571 and a 1541 disk drive to
copy c64 disks to cp/m format?

Thanks
Susan



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I can't even find time to clean house and you want me to come up with a .sig?
     And now she wants to go back to grad school after 14 years .....  
     We'll let her out when the delusion passes.
From: fred@cbmvax.commodore.com (Fred Bowen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: SX-64 chip replacement
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:30:40 GMT
Reply-To: fred@cbmvax.commodore.com (Fred Bowen)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

Brian.Heyboer@f20.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Heyboer) writes:
>hswoolve@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Helen S. Woolverton) writes:
>
>HSW> I got a RamLink recently, and have run into a _lee-tle_ problem with
>HSW> the proverbial SX-64-is-not-quite-a-C-64 incompatability.  Way back when
>HSW> the machine was half its current age, a friend told me of reading about
>HSW> a one-chip replacement that would turn my SX-64 into a "real C-64".  I
>HSW> paid little attention at the time, since what I used worked without
>HSW> trouble.
>
>HSW> Unfortunately, the "not-quite" has reared its head (again) and this time
>HSW> I'd like to fix it.  I've spoken to one of the C-64 users locally, who
>HSW> thinks the chip that needs replacement is one of the Basic ROM's.
>
>The chip that you would replace is the Kernal.  If you are going to
>replace it, get the JiffyDOS instead (I'd recommend just the SX
>version, but you could go for the C-64 version) as it will help with
>your RAMLink in other ways and is really nice to have. Be aware, though,
>that replacing the kernal with a C-64 one will cause software to think
>you have a C-64 and any software that needs a cassette-port dongle is
>not going to let you get away without one.
>
>But I doubt that's the real problem.  The SX-64 has a ribbon cable
>between the expansion port and the board.  This often causes timing
>problems with devices such as REUs.  You could try cutting down the
>length of the cable, but that's rather a lot of work for a maybe
>solution.
>
>One other thing that can be done to help the compatibility of the SX is
>a 3.3K-ohm pull-up added to the /SRQ line of the serial port.  The
>pull-up is there on the 64 for the datasette, but some fast-loading and
>copy-protection schemes use the line with serial operations in odd ways
>that don't work well without the pull-up.  I wouldn't expect this was
>related to your problem, though.

You might also check the revision of the VIC chip... the early version
used in the SX64 had some timing differences that can cause problems for
expansion/cartridge port devices like RAMlink and REU's.
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From: ggreene@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Geoff Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: where'd it go
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:15:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

I just brought my C128 to school a few days ago.  its a blast! While I was
messing around on some ftp site somewhere, I thought I saw someone's hacked
version of unix on a C64.  When I looked again later after I got xmodem to
work and could download it, I could not find it.  anybody know what site
it was/is on and if it is still there?


Thanks

ggreene@sage.cc.purdue.edu
From: edwardp@ra.cs.umb.edu (Edward P. Piecewicz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: status of Desterm
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:48:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS


Can someone tell me what the status of DESTERM is?  The support BBS seems
to have been discontinued, and e-mail sent to the UUCP address results in
a user unknown bounce.

Thanks.



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From: misar@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Walter Misar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: More BTIII help needed
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 15:30:10 GMT
Organization: TH Darmstadt
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rbhp61.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de

In article <1itncoINNhl1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cb317@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephanie J. Kessler) writes:
> Well, now I need some help on the next one.  I have traveled to the
> 8 times and answered the ghost-faces with the names told to me.
> I am on the last one, who then asks me for his true name.  These
> are the other names I know (from the game):  Ares, Yan-lo-Wang,
> Mars, Susa-no-o, Svarazic, St. George, Sdiabm, and Tyr.  Now, I
> know that 3 of these are gods of War, so I have tried every variant
> of war and death I can think of.. therefore, its probably a pretty
> obvious answer that I am missing.  If someone can tell me what
> the answer is, I'd appreciate it.
> 
> Why MUST these be so complicated when you are stumped, and yet so easy
> when you are told the answer?

Hm, ok let's give a hint: whom are you sent to met and whos shield is
to get in this dimension ?

-- 
Walter Misar                                | It is impossible to enjoy
misar@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de        | idling thoroughly unless
                                            | one has plenty of work to do.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.cbm:5415 comp.sys.amiga.misc:19737
From: cs90rol@brunel.ac.uk (Richard O Lavey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Wanted : C64 Shanghai
Keywords: wanted, shanghai, C64
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:21:12 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

Hi !

I'm looking for the C64 version of Shanghai by Activision.

Does anyone know a company selling the _TAPE_ version, or do you have a copy that you're willing to sell ??

Please reply by E-mail

Follow-ups are to comp.sys.amiga.misc (Hence E-mail preferred !)

Thanks...

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| defensive shields and two, we don't have any defensive shields. I know that,|
| technically, that's only one flaw, but it was such a big one I thought I'd  |
| mention it twice'  - Kryten (in response to Cat's suggestion that they drop |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
From: bvrielin@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Bruce Vrieling)
Subject: Re: TPUG (Toronto User Group)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:44:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan08.042311.3600@src4src.linet.org> ckunz@src4src.linet.org (Charles Kunz) writes:
>Someone mentioned a user group in Toronto called TPUG, is there an
>address I can write (or send a SASE) for more info?  Thanks in
>advance.

Doug is probably going to kill me (:D), but you can send mail to a tpug
representative by mailing him at tpug.sysop@canrem.com. The user behind this
account name is DOUG RODGER. Note that due to the wait Usenet mail is
handled by Canada Remote Systems (the system that receieves the mail), Doug
may or may not know how to respond in Usenet mail. It would likely be a good
idea to include your address and/or phone number.

Actually, if all you want is info, simply leave your address with Doug, and
ask him to send it your way. Then get on him about 2-3 weeks later if you
haven't gotten it yet. :)

...Bruce
From: lenn@du9ds4.fb9dv.uni-duisburg.de (Heiner Lennackers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: AMIGA
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:43:23 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Duisburg GH
NNTP-Posting-Host: du9ds4.fb9dv.uni-duisburg.de

How can i get access to cbm-amiga boards like
comp.sys.amiga.hardware and so on

Bye 
  Heiner
  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
From: uph001@ux2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de (Oliver B. Warzecha)
Subject: Re: c64 blank screen
Reply-To: uet019@zx1.hrz.uni-dortmund.de
Organization: Frobozz Magic Core Dump Company
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:48:28 GMT

Try the PLA 906114-01
(Chip next to CPU 6510 except there's the 6581 SID - then the PLA is under
the SID)
Oh, btw this is valid for the old board.

--
OBW
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"No flag or uniform ever stopped the bullet of a gun"
Moore/Lynott - Out in the fields
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm