HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jeffl@sequent.com (Jeff Lindorff )
Subject: Re: 93 Sportster pricing?
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:06:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.180455.12978@eecs.nwu.edu> mack23@avalon.eecs.nwu.edu (Chris Walsh) writes:
>
>Does anyone know what list prices for the new sportsters are?
>
>I don't care about the hugger, just the basic 883 and 1200.
>



The basic Sportster is $5500, the 1200 is $7900 in standard trim.


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Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
15450 SW Koll Parkway - COL1-110        PHONE: (503) 578-4176
Beaverton, OR. U.S.A.  97006            FAX:   (503) 578-3242

Opinions expressed here are not those of Sequent Computer Systems.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: crsg9887@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chad R. Sandstrom)
Subject: Hot Softail Nostalgia
Summary: Pipes a passenger problem?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:29:08 GMT
Keywords: Exhaust

As I am working on the purchase of the new HD my wife mentions
that she digs the Nostalgia. She thinks it's hot, actually so
do I but in another aspect. The rear cylinder exhaust pipe
runs OVER/beside the right side passenger peg (like the Fat Boy).
This appears to be a problem, any Fat Boy owners notice this?
Otherwise I might sic my trained credit union on some unsuspecting 
shop owner and drive one away (if I can find an unsold FLSTN).

ObNoise: J HACK emailed me an admonishment, "grow up" he said. That's two
words, two syllables, and a whopping six letters.  I was so impressed
that I placed his name as the first in my killfile I'd reccommend it 
to anyone wishing to keep this group uncluttered .

__
Chad S.
From: wfrank@well.sf.ca.us (Wade Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: internal prejudice
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:33:03 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


>> BTW, What's an RUB?

Rich Urban Biker.

Actually, kind of a misnomer, 'cause it's always used as a derogatory term,
and anyone who really deserves it isn't really a biker (tm).
-- 
=------------------------------------------------------------------=
= Wade Franklin          DoD #705       '92 FXDC DynaGlide Custom  =
= wfrank@well.sf.ca.us   HOG, AMA       '86 Yamaha Radian          =
=                 Warning: Luxo death for some.                    =
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: cvr@dweezil..westford.ccur.com (Chris von Recklinghausen)
Subject: Re: 1000ccm Panhead, adjust valves
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford MA.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:00:28 GMT

In article <LOTTO.92Sep9150120@laura.harvard.edu> lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
>>>>>> On 9 Sep 92 16:59:49 GMT, cvr@dweezil.westford.ccur.com (Chris von Recklinghausen) said:
>Chris> To adjust the valves...
>(gain access and)
>Chris> Loosen or tighten the tappet screw until the pushrod spins freely, but
>Chris> not enough so that there's any up and down travel.
>
>You don't mention anything about engine temperature.  You are going to
>get very different results doing this on a warm vs. a cold motor.
>--
>Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>      "Have you hugged the curves today?"
>Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.              MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18

Sorry, that should be on a cold motor.

						Chris
--
Chris von Recklinghausen		cvr@westford.ccur.com
Concurrent Computer Corporation		Westford, Ma.
From: krl@niksula.hut.fi (Keijo L{nsikunnas)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: What fits what
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:30:34 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


Could somebody e-mail me an address and a fax-number of Mike Arman
Publishing (or a bookstore that has his books available) so I could
order my copies of "What fits what" and "Custom Harley Cookbook". I
would also appreciate a lot if you knew the prices also.

No, the local HD dealer doesn't have em.

Yes, I could go to my local bookstore and ask them to order them, but
it will cost me big $$$ and I dont even know the ISBN number of the
Cookbook.

Thanks and ride on...
--
** Keijo
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Collector's Harleys $ and frauds
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:28:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.123757.13867@PA.dec.com>, dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn) writes:
> The posers will pay top dollar for anything that looks rad. You could dress
> up a Heritage Softail to look like a '65 Pan and they'd pay vintage Pan 
> prices for it.

OK, how much is a complete 1955 Pan in good to very good condition with
original red paint worth?  It has virtually no rust, the chrome is decent,
there was only a small puddle (only a few drips :-) ) and the motor
supposedly runs.

- Roid
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: cvr@dweezil..westford.ccur.com (Chris von Recklinghausen)
Subject: Re: 1000ccm Panhead, adjust valves
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford MA.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:59:49 GMT

In article <petterb.1.716051376@dhhalden.no> petterb@dhhalden.no (PETTER BRUSERUD) writes:
>How do you adjust the valves on a '83 (or is it '82) 1000ccm Panhead?
>Would be happy if somebody could tell.

For starters, panheads were made from about 1948 to 1965 (I may be a year or 2
off on either end). These were the ancestors of the big twins (shovelheads and
later, the large (80 CI) evolution motors), not sportsters. Sportster motors
made between 1955 and 1985 were nicknamed Ironheads.

To adjust the valves, pull off the pushrod cover clips, bend a wire coathanger
to hold up the pushrod cover (have the top of the hanger hang off of the rocker
box, and have the bottom hold up the pushrod cover without interfering with the
travel of the pushrod).

With each pushrod, turn the engine over so that the tappet of interest is at
the lowest point in its travel (before you turn the engine over, you may want
to take out the spark plugs so you aren't fighting the compression of the
engine, it makes turning over the engine precisely a little easier)

Undo the lock nut on the tappet (in my '75 sporty it's a 7/16" nut).

Loosen or tighten the tappet screw until the pushrod spins freely, but not
enough so that there's any up and down travel. (in my bike it's a 1/2" nut)

Tighten up the locknut (make sure it's tight, I've had them loosen up and cause
a horrible rattling noise, not to mention a loss of power)

Repeat for the other pushrods.

Put the pushrod cover clips back on.

By the way, if you're going near your bike with a wrench, I STRONGLY suggest
you get a factory service manual (here in the US, they're about $25). It's
worth every penny.

>
>What's the "noise" limit (exhaust) for vehicles (read:bikes) in USA?
>In Norway it's 88dB. Don't ask how we managed to get our Sportster through, 
>but we did it (with a lot of shit in the exhaust pipes!).
>

I'm not sure, but something around 90dB comes to mind, but then again, some
towns will pull you over for being louder than 70dB. I've passed by a lot of
cops on the way to work with my drag pipes (cops who would pull you over for
going >5mph over the speed limit), and haven't been pulled over once. Then
again, I tend to stay away from towns that have reputations for not liking loud
bikes.

>                  "Fresh Harley fan" 

Just make sure the bike's running well before you go blowing a lot of money on
Harley Davidson T-shirts ;-)

						Chris

P.S. the 'reply to' field in the news header is probably wrong. Reply to
	cvr@westford.ccur.com if you're going to send mail.
--
Chris von Recklinghausen		cvr@westford.ccur.com
Concurrent Computer Corporation		Westford, Ma.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley,tx.motorcycles
From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: DFW Harley Dealers
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:33:11 GMT

I know this discussion has been hashed out on one of these groups recently, but
silly me was not really thinking to seriously about a bike at that time.
Anyway I would like to get opinions on Harley dealers in the DFW area.  Who's
good? bad? downright obnoxious? Please email me.

Thanks,
Mike Serafin          serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com
1964 C310I N48WM       
PP-ASMEL-I
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: 3-cylinder Shovelhead?
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:14:55 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System


	A friend who hangs around bookstores told me today that there
	is a picturebook on Harleys which shows a 3-cylinder
	shovelhead.  Apparently someone grafted another cylinder
	to the front of the case ala Ducati style.  

	Does anyone know the title of this book and if the extra
	cylinder was really functional?  (I rather doubt it, but
	what a concept!)

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From: ajcarr@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley,alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Alternatives to Guinness
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:28:40 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <Bu89FC.2xL@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich) writes:
> 
>    Want more taste?  Drink Guinness Extra Stout.  :)
>  
>    Seriously, though...has anyone here tried Sapporo Black?  I'm looking
> for a beer similar to Guinness with not *quite* as much a 'burnt' after-
> taste.  Negra Modelo is good, but just a tad weak.  Any suggestions?
> 
I understand that Beamish & Crawford stout has gone on sale in the USA. Perhaps
you should look out for that as an alternative to Guinness. (Note that Jim Beam
tried to get the sale of Beamish & Crawford banned, on the basis of the
'Beamish' name possibly being confused with their Bourbon (or is it a just a
sour mash whiskey?).) I don't know if Murphy's is on sale in the USA, but if it
is, you'll find it altogether more mellow than Guinness. Personally, I'll stick
with Guinness, partly because I think it's the best Irish stout of the three,
and partly because it would offend my sensibilities (and those of people around
me) to drink a brew from Cork.

Alun

Dr Alun J. Carr
Mechanical Engineering Department
University College Dublin
Belfield
Dublin 4
Ireland

Internet: ajcarr@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: fdeignan@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Freeze & Break
Organization: Clark University
Date: 4 SEP 92 21:47:14 GMT

Concerning the breaking of locks and cables ... would someone please
enlighten me on the subject of "Freeze and Break"?  I don't plan on
doing it, but I've never heard of it.  Also, if anyone knows what a
"blue-point hammer" is, please enlighten me on that subject also.
Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  8 SEP 92 12:08:55    


In article <1992Sep8.134627.1085@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh) writes...
>In article <18bdo8INNk04@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:

<a ton of crapola deleted>

Beautiful, guys, just beautiful. You were all suckered by this goofball, and
this group went from pretty good to 75% crap in one weekend. I'll be
unsubscribing if this keeps up. I don't have time to read the good stuff,
without wading through 30 posts of "oh yah, and so's your mother".

-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: 4 valve HD
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:40:46 GMT

In article <viking.716005502@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell) writes:
>
>>>Eric Murray :
>
>>>Ob. Harley:  I've heard rumors of a 4-valve harley.  Does
>>>anyone know anything?  I mean a factory bike, not aftermarket heas.
>
>>    That was a 1917 to around '21 or '22 competition model.
>>    (BTW) Velocette (English) had a shaft driven OHC in 1937.
>>    And these kids on their rice rockets think they have
>>    "modern" technology.
>
>	In the March, 1992 issue of American Iron magazine they review the
>Australian-made Fueling/Rivera 4-valve head kit.  On a Springer Softail, the
>figures are 100 ft/lbs of torque and 95 horsepower.  Stage 2 kits give 120hp
>and enough torque to eat holes in the pavement.  The heads look very close
>to stock, but the twin carbs are a give-away.

Yes, I know about both the ancient 4-valve harleys and the fueling heads.
What I meant was that I've heard somewhere, don't remember where, that
Harley itself is now (or not long ago) working on 4-valve heads/motor.
I don't think this is the porche 4-four, I think it's a water-cooled
twin.

Now, something the physical size of a sportster motor, or smaller, with
water cooling, 4 valve heads, and more power than a sportster
would make a great Ducati-killer.  Vroom vroom.

Of course producing a sport bike is 180 degrees away from Harley's
current clientele.  Do you think they could do it without losing
the loyal following they have now?  Or have all the Harley die-hards
already lost interest in new Harleys, now that they're trendy
among monied yuppies who are trying to reclaim their lost youth?


--
Eric Murray   ericm@microunity.com   Ride fast, die young, wear black leather.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts)
Subject: Harley Music
Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:17:11 GMT

Well, I happen to _like_ the sound of a large, unbaffled Harley twin.
So, I ordered a pair of Mac staggard dual taper pipes and replaced the
stock exhaust on my '89 Virago 1100. The pipes bolted right on, they
look nice and sound great...

--Doug
--

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Douglas Roberts                |
Los Alamos National Laboratory | All good work is done in defiance
dzzr@lanl.gov                  |  of management. -- Bob Woodward
(505)667-4569                  |
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley,alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
From: gorski@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (Tom Gorski)
Subject: Re: Jap Crap!!! (DEFINED)
Followup-To: alt.beer,rec.motorcycles.harley
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, University of Wisconsin
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 17:05:25 GMT

Hey gang, how about if we move this thread out of rec.crafts.brewing.  OK?

--TG
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Belt drives (primary and secondary)
Date: 5 Sep 92 04:40:10 GMT
Organization: Minnesota State University System

behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com
        ^^^^^^^
Behanna, your machine is unknown to the Internet.  Even your primary
server (143.101.112.2) doesn't table your address.  So, NO EMAIL.


> ... I want to know pros/cons of using wide/narrow primary belt setups.

Wide belt cons: alignment is difficult
                if not aligned properly, bearings wear out fast
                unnecessary with engine < 150HP
                won't fit under primary cover
Wide belt pro:  looks tough

> ...What belt drive system do you use (if any)?  

Karata.  One on a 1978 Superglide
         One on a 1956 custom
Never had a belt break and both ran without primary cover and the '56
is a gravel scratcher and has passed lots of rocks between belt and
pulleys.

> How tough was the installation?  

Absolutely elementary.  You will need a clutch-hub puller (HD part)
and an impact wrench (air or electric.) You must move the primary vent to
the atmosphere: I use a K&N filter at the end of hose routed under
frame and tied down in front of the transmission.

> What is involved in the upkeep?

Check adjustment every 10,000 miles.  Don't waste money on brand
with self adjuster; they cause extra wear and merely add parts which
try to make up for unfortunate original engineering.  Go with Karata.

> What are the caveats?

You gain a distinctive clutch rattle when clutch is pulled.  You have
heard this sound at the road races.  People will ask if something is
wrong with your transmission.

> What are the advantages?  

You will loose several pounds of rotating weight and gain power and
response.  Quieter.  Cleaner.  Less maintenance.  

> And, very importantly, is it possible to use electric start with your setup?

Karata.  Yes.  Just ask for the starter ring.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: 4 valve HD
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:30:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.164046.20452@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
>Yes, I know about both the ancient 4-valve harleys and the fueling heads.
>What I meant was that I've heard somewhere, don't remember where, that
>Harley itself is now (or not long ago) working on 4-valve heads/motor.
>I don't think this is the porche 4-four, I think it's a water-cooled
>twin.
>[...]
>current clientele.  Do you think they could do it without losing
>the loyal following they have now?  Or have all the Harley die-hards
>already lost interest in new Harleys, now that they're trendy
>among monied yuppies who are trying to reclaim their lost youth?

	I personally am not interested in an Evo.  I don't like the looks, and
I don't want to be associated with RUBs (apologies to Seth Zirin et al:  I
know not all Evo owners are RUBs).  I just saw the fake panhead rocker covers
in the display case today--made me chuckle outwardly, wince inwardly,
especially since a mint example of the real thing was parked outside:  a 1964
Duo-Glide.

	I would, however, snap up a Harley sportbike if the price/performance/
reliability was right (read:  I probably wouldn't buy it the first year it was
out).

	I thought the new bike was supposed to be OHC as well.  Wouldn't that
be grand!

Here's hoping,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF    1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	            (I need another bike for this space!)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
From: scol@scottsdale.az.stratus.com (Scott Colbath)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:59:22 GMT


Well.....I feel like this whole mess is my fault. I got sucked in by a college  
weenie and he pissed me off. Sorry for starting a flame, but now how about  
getting on with some real posts. For example. does anyone out there know of an  
evo motor and tranny looking for a new home? How about an evo basket case, if  
such a thing exists???


--
**********************************************************
Scott Colbath
Stratus Computer
Phoenix, Az.  (602)852-3106
Internet:scott_colbath@az.stratus.com
**********************************************************
From: jcombs@nrchh023.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jim Combs)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: American made(?)
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:50:15 GMT
Organization: NTI,  Richardson, TX

Ok,  I dug thru a couple stacks of magazines and found a couple articles 
containing some interesting numbers.  Thought I'd share `em with ya.
  
  From CAR AND DRIVER June 1992. (page 30, article titled FYI)	 
       --------------                                     ---
  
  "...survey of the Big Three found that no car built in the U.S. is 
   made completely from American parts,  but some come close.  According 
   to EPA calculations,  Chrysler's Ram 350 truck is 98-percent domestic. 
   Ford's full-sized Bronco checks in at 97 percent.  GM's most American 
   car,  at 95-percent domestic,  is the Saturn sedan.  Now aren't you  
   glad you asked?"  
  
  
  From AMERICAN IRON MAGAZINE August 1992 (page 15, article THE 3.5% SOLUTION)
       ----------------------                               -----------------
  
  "...the company (Harley-Davidson) uses a wide range of suppliers, a few
   of which are outside the United States.
     "Those foreign suppliers account for approximately 3.5 percent of the
   parts used in building a Harley-Davidson,"  says Steve Piehl, a Motor 
   Company spokesman."  
  
  
IMO,  H-D is currently putting out a damn fine product.  It _is_ an American 
company.  The bikes _are_ American products.  It's great that they have survived 
all these years,  and I am very happy to see H-D thriving even if it's because 
yuppy scum are practicing 'one-upmanship' with the bikes.  
 
It doesn't matter why.  What matters is that a great American legend lives.
  
================================================================================
Fuck the bullshit discaimer nonsense.         Jim Combs `91 XLH1200            =
================================================================================
 
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles.harley:282 alt.beer:5264 rec.crafts.brewing:5320
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley,alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re: Jap Crap!!! (DEFINED)
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:08:35 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <Bu89FC.2xL@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich) writes:

|    Seriously, though...has anyone here tried Sapporo Black?  I'm looking
| for a beer similar to Guinness with not *quite* as much a 'burnt' after-
| taste.  Negra Modelo is good, but just a tad weak.  Any suggestions?

  I've been drinking a lot of Geary's (made in Maine, but available
elsewhere), and "Pete's Wicked Ale," a molasses colored ale with a
little less aftertaste and an odd 22 oz bottle. I have no idea how
widely this is available, or why this isn't in alt.beer, for that
matter. 
-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: gretchen@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Gretchen A Hitselberger)
Subject: Back Tire Kicks Right
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: y
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:34:11 GMT

Maybe it's just the fact that it's a new bike...
Maybe it's just that it's got Dunlop tires...
Maybe it's just that the handlebars aren't what I'am used to...
Maybe ....

But has anyone else who's driven a Sporty noticed a tendancy
for the back tire to kick out to the right when cornering???

Just wondering.

/gretchen
DoD#0172
From: wfrank@well.sf.ca.us (Wade Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: 1000ccm Panhead, adjust valves
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:21:54 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link

In article <petterb.1.716051376@dhhalden.no> petterb@dhhalden.no (PETTER BRUSERUD) writes:
>How do you adjust the valves on a '83 (or is it '82) 1000ccm Panhead?
>Would be happy if somebody could tell.
>
>What's the "noise" limit (exhaust) for vehicles (read:bikes) in USA?
>In Norway it's 88dB. Don't ask how we managed to get our Sportster through, 
>but we did it (with a lot of shit in the exhaust pipes!).
>
>                  "Fresh Harley fan" 


Let's see, the '82 1000cc Panheads were shim-under-bucket adjustment,
weren't they?

no...Seriously ... WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????

  Wade Franklin
  '84 750cc Knucklehead
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley