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From: naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Bicycling - USCF College Weekend and Roller questions
Keywords: rollers, USCF, Collegiate Racing
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:45:14 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD
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Originator: naru@valkyrie.eng.umd.edu


Can anyone give me more information about this event.
Is it worth the $60 they ask?  Has anyone participated in this event 
and what is your impression? Lastly, am I too late to sign up (for 
College Park, MD) and my questions are moot?

Thanks for your help,
Naru Takashima

p.s. I just got myself a roller and I was wodering, how long do you
     stay on it per workout, and what do you do while you're on it, i.e.,
     do you do intervals or just concentrate on spinning smoothly?
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From: genev@lakshmi.sybase.com (Gene Vilain)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: LeMond's Goals for the 1993 Racing Season
Date: 20 Jan 93 00:14:16 GMT

Sorry for asking, but what is "(TIOOYK)"?

In article <29685@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh) writes:
|> writes:
|> 
|> Isn't this redundant?  IMHO, it should just be: "the Tour (TIOOYK)."
|> 

-- 
Gene Vilain           genev@sybase.com
Sybase Education      510-596-4539

   I'm not responsible for anything I may say or do. Why should Sybase be?
From: sjm3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SALEM JON MAZZAWY)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: SHIFTING WHILE STANDING?????
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:14:20 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>   You shouldn't be having as much of a problem as you are.  It sounds to
>me like you need to adjust your STI setup.  Turn the barrel adjuster on
>the rear derailleur until the index shifting works flawlessly, and grease
>the cables well.  Once STI is adjusted, it is surprising how well it per-
>forms under load.

For the best performance with any SIS, don't grease the cable- use oil.   This
is what Shimano recomend and it really does work best.
                                        Salem
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From: greg@mobius.viewlogic.com (Gregory Larkin)
Subject: NORBA races in the New England area?
Originator: greg@mobius
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:04:24 GMT


Hi there,

Has a list of the mountain bike races in the Northeast
been published yet?  I have a list of the USCF
road/crit races, but I haven't seen one for the
mountain bike scene.

Thanks!

-- 
              Greg Larkin, Software Engineer, Waveform Analysis
                 Viewlogic Systems, Inc.  Marlboro, MA 01752
                            greg@Viewlogic.COM
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From: sandie@|p|p (Bert Sandie)
Subject: Re: NCCA - Let's Fix It
Organization: |p
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:50:52 GMT

It seems to me that the solution is very simple:

(a) Have a mens team race
(b) Have a womens team race

Then score the results as such overall mens team, overall womens team,
and overall combined team - I think this meets all the goals of promoting
cyccling for both males and females and does not bias teams with a small
number of either sex.

To qualify for Regional or National races - the 5 best teams in the
mens race automatically qualify, - the 5 best teams in the womens
race automatically qualify - a top X athletes in the mens race qualify
excluding those already selected by the team process - a top X athletes
in the womens race qualify exclusing those already selected in the team
process.

Thus, in the end we get the best teams and athletes at the finals!
And we reward both the top mens, womens, and combined teams!

Seems simple to me,

Bert Sandie
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From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: U.S. cycling governance: Alternative bikes & free spirits [part 6 of 10]
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:58:28 GMT

The BMX craze of the late 1970s took a lot of people by surprise,
including the USCF management, which didn't get involved.  It turned
out to be a fad that went into decline after awhile, just as did
conventional cycling in the beginning, but this kids' sport is clearly
going to continue for the foreseeable future, including international
competition.

Mountain bike racing, which got started in Northern California in the
early '80s, can be thought of as BMX for adults.  The original
mountain bikers were mostly disorderly free spirits who hated stodgy
organizations such as USCF, but when they formed their own
organization, the National Off Road Bicycle Association (NORBA), they
naturally botched it, producing a financial disaster.  Glenn Odell
subsequently took over the organization and put his own money into it.

In order to avoid a jurisdictional confrontation, I attempted to
negotiate an affiliation between USCF and NORBA in 1983.  About the
same time, USCF appointed its first Executive Director, Dave Prouty,
which was another important step forward in the development of the
organization.  When Prouty said he wanted to take over the NORBA
negotiation I acceded, but he then sat on it unfortunately.

In late 1984 I revived the issue by threatening to suspend any USCF
riders who competed in NORBA events.  This brought things to a head
and NORBA President Odell and I were able to negotiate Articles of
Alliance between the two organizations that were approved in April
1985.

In August 1986, Odell offered to sell NORBA to USCF for $25,000 but
sent the offer only to Dave Prouty with a copy to me.  I urged Prouty
to accept it, but I had just lost my seat on the board over the helmet
issue and so had no direct say in the matter.  Prouty refused the
offer and kept it a secret from the board.

In 1987, Odell sold NORBA to Clayton John for $35,000.  John later
started ignoring the USCF-NORBA Articles of Alliance and it appeared
that the two organizations were again headed for a turf war, but in
1989 USCF negotiated a buyout of NORBA for $190,000 ($50,00 of that
from U.S. Olympic Committee funds), with the final price being
adjusted downward slightly.  It's really a shame that USCF did not buy
NORBA in 1986 for $25,000, but buying it later was still a winning
move in that it brought in a very dynamic segment of the sport.

[Next part: Affiliations and fornications]
--
Les Earnest (Les@cs.Stanford.edu)               Phone:  415 941-3984
Computer Science Dept.; Stanford, CA 94305	  Fax:  415 941-3934
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From: garrick@owlnet.rice.edu (Garrick F. Mitchell)
Subject: Do we care about racing collegiate?
Organization: Rice University Cycling Team
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:28:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.003358.19725@athena.mit.edu>, jesnow@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan E Snow) writes:
|> 
|> The person who is primarily disadvantaged by the current [points]
|> system is the Cat. II rider who just wants to go to Collegiate Nats 
|> and doesn't care to associate himself with lower life forms.  We
|> can do without this guy.

Within the past couple of seasons the South Central Conference dealt
with the question of whether the winner of the conf. championship RR
should qualify for Nat's along with the individual season-long points
champion (as opposed to the top two total points getters not on
qualifying teams).  If I remember correctly, this proposal was made
by a big school with a lot of Cat II's who, due to sponsorship duties,
had to miss a lot of regular season collegiate races in order to do 
big-money Pro-I-II crits.

These riders wanted to be able to get a ticket to Nat's
by showing up and kicking butt at ONE collegiate race while not having
anything to do with the conference the rest of the year.  Meanwhile,
it seems a progressively smaller and smaller "hard core" of riders
consistently support collegiate racing by going to collegiate races.

The above-mentioned motion didn't pass.  During debate on this issue, 
however, it seemed that some people viewed collegiate racing merely as "something to do" when there isn't a USCF race in town.

It seems to me this could be almost as grave an issue for collegiate racing 
as the ongoing shortage of women racers (both collegiate and otherwise).
Is collegiate racing an end in itself or merely an alternative?  Clearly,
it is what WE make it...

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From: acr@maths.warwick.ac.uk (Andre Rocha)
Subject: The problem with cycling
Organization: Maths Institute, Warwick University, UK.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:47:22 GMT



Well, I think that maybe I'll get some flames after this post but let's go ahead.

I started cycling last year just after the winter here in the UK. I was looking
for some kind of sport that would improve my fitness condition. Since at that 
time I knew nothing about clipless pedals, STI levers, frame materials, 
clip on bars, TT, disc whells and all the stuff now I want so much to improve
my pedalling, I thought that I was fine with my old bike that I still use
to go to the University. I started pedalling 6 miles and after 8 months I was
doing 20 miles in 1 hour. Not bad, I thought. But I also got some cycling
magazines and then I realized that my bike was just totally unsuitable if 
I would take cycling seriously. At this point I realized that to have a good
bike and clothes I would have to spend at least 700 pounds ( +- 1400 US dollars ).
But as I student where on earth I would get this money ? I tried to cut some
stuff that could be unnecessary, but just a good pair of shoes, say SID genius 2,
would cost me 70 pounds and a reasonable pedal, say LOOK PP76, another 60 - 70 
pounds !!!

Then the winter came again. I stop cycling since all the clothes would cost me 
around 100 pounds. Now I'm running. I went to a shop here that sells running shoes
and discovered that one of the top shoes available costs 50 pounds !! It's a 
1993 model and it's a feather !! If you compare this with the 100 pounds of 
the new GIRO Ventoux helmet or the 120 pounds of the new Dura-Ace SPD pedal,
maybe you can figure out why cycling is such expensive business. I think that 
also justifies why there are so few people cycling this days !

Opinions ? Corrections ? Am I doing something wrong ?

Thanks,


                 andre


-- 
Andre Cavalcanti Rocha

Internet : acr@maths.warwick.ac.uk

Voice    : + 44 203 711988
From: polly@grover.Stanford.EDU (Polly Siegel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: NCCA - Let's Fix It
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:44:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: leland.1993Jan26.174445.12732
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University

97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes:
> In article <1993Jan25.221908.12969@leland.Stanford.EDU>
> polly@grover.Stanford.EDU (Polly Siegel) writes:
>  
> >In what other sport do the roads have to be closed to put on an event?  I
> >think one of the factors that may influence this scoring combination is the
> >logistics of putting on an event for cycling. ...
>  
> I have to address this issue as two people have mentioned it. That being the
> idea of there being a logistical problem inherit in the issue. WHERE????
> What is is this mythical logistics problem?? Men and Women do not ride
> on the road at the same time. They do not compete in the same field.
> Please clearify this logistics problem.

The logistics problem in cycling has to do with putting on a race and the
money, time and effort involved in such an undertaking.  It would not be
feasible to put on separate events for subcategories of the current team
(i.e. a separate men's event and a separate women's event).  Obviously,
races could be promoted just as they are now and the men and women scored
and treated as separate teams, but cooperation may suffer if the two
groups were not competing towards a common goal.  My only point was that
other sports don't suffer this problem -- it's no problem for a men's
volleyball team, say, to use an arena for a couple of hours.
  
> Also, in the NWCCC we do not allow
> the A and B fields to ride together. We were going to do that at the WSU
> race last year and UW brought 15 B riders, basically to flood the field.
> Everyone realized how unfair that was and voted to have the fields
> seperated. (In the NWCCC we only have A and B)

As someone else pointed out, in the WCCC we have Mens A,B,C,D and Womens
A&B...  We also have rules as to who can be in what category (based on
their USCF classification) and rules preventing people from downgrading to
lower categories (sandbagging) during the middle of the season.

I didn't realize prior to this discussion how different the rules were
amongst the conferences.

> ...
>  
> I disagree, the reason why points are awarded on a graduated scale is that
> not every school is big enough to field an A B and C team. They basically
> devalue the lower Cats. I can understand this within the one sex, but then
> we further devalue women?? Come on! Let women have there own race and
> acknowledge that they can do something without a man to help them!

The point scale is structured such that you're going to put your best
riders in the category that scores the most points.  Women do have their
own races in our conference and their point totals go towards the overall
team score.  I don't think any women on our team were unhappy about that,
given that we contribute a lot to our team's success.

- polly
-- 
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Polly Siegel
Center for Integrated Systems
(polly@grover.stanford.edu)
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From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: Re: Let's dump UCI
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:27:51 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Followup-To:  Re: Let's dump UCI


-- 
In article <1993Jan17.103501.22574@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, les@SAIL.Stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:
|> Regarding my radical proposal to abbreviate "International Cycling
|> Union" as "ICU," Jobst Brandt writes:
|>    This is something that is typically American in a nation that likes
|>    to believe we speak only one language (we don't) and that it is the
|>    best language.  It reminds me of an American lady with daughter who
|>    .  .  .  [irrelevant story omitted.]
|> 
|> Jobst, like Roger, misses the point.  If you are speaking French,
|> speak French; if you are speaking Swahili, speak Swahili; if you are
|> speaking English, speak English.  Just because you can pronounce a
|> given string of letters in any language doesn't mean that you should
|> fail to translate them into the language you are using when the
|> organization is an international one.  French should not be considered
|> the dominant language of cycling or any other sport.  Neither should
|> English.
|> 
|> I should think that Jobst would feel uncomfortable using the same
|> silly argument that Roger presented.  Instead of inventing illogical
|> rationalizations, I suggest that Jobst simply state that he prefers to
|> identify the International Cycling Union as "UCI," in which case he
|> will get no further argument from me about this and I will be able to
|> place him in the appropriate category.
|> 


in one of the solzhenitsyn's books (i believe, the english title is "the
last circle") one of the protagonists laboriously translates every "bird"
word, i.e., of non-slavonic origin into a "language of utmost clarity".
the outcome is not only hilarious, but totally incomprehensible for even
the native russian speakers. robin williams in conversation with robert
frost, said that americans can express every emotion in a single word "wow".
les will be left with not much more once he purges all "frog" words from
english (american?)

aaron
From: dtaylor@carson.u.washington.edu (Dan Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Whats the "safest" helmet...
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:23:43 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

<U3C@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>I'm looking for a helmet with alot of protection.  It will be used for track
>racing (mass start) so I'm not worried about weight, looks, areodynamics, or
>coolness...just protection, especialy for the back of my head.  I've seen
>a (I think) pro-tec that seems to fit the bill and the helmets from circa
>1986 would do but I havent seen either type around.  Does anyone have any
>suggestions....or a heavy armor type helmet they dont use...

>Thanks in advance...steve litvin...u3c@psuvm.psu.edu

You might consider the headway helmets.
I tried one on in the local shop and it surrounded my head very
well and felt good.  It didn't look as stylish as the giros.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:18:54 EST
From: <U3C@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Whats the "safest" helmet...

I'm looking for a helmet with alot of protection.  It will be used for track
racing (mass start) so I'm not worried about weight, looks, areodynamics, or
coolness...just protection, especialy for the back of my head.  I've seen
a (I think) pro-tec that seems to fit the bill and the helmets from circa
1986 would do but I havent seen either type around.  Does anyone have any
suggestions....or a heavy armor type helmet they dont use...

Thanks in advance...steve litvin...u3c@psuvm.psu.edu
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From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: The problem with cycling
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:48:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.164722.24247@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>, acr@maths.warwick.ac.uk (Andre Rocha) writes:


|> At this point I realized that to have a good bike and clothes I would have
|> to spend at least 700 pounds ( +- 1400 US dollars ).

Well you have a problem in the UK where bikes cost a lot compared to the
US.  You can, of course, import stuff directly from the US to save money
but as you are a student whether a Cooks Bros crankset costs 130 pounds or
130 dollars is immateriel.  So here's a big tip, cyclists are dedicated
followers of fashion but, and it's a big but, you D O  N O T  N E E D this
years equipment to compete or enjoy cycling.   Pop down to your local
newstore, like WHSmiths and flick through "Cycling Weekly".  The classified
ads in the back will reveal that you can pick up good second hand gear at
a fraction of the new price, some of this stuff has hardly been used.

You make a comparison with a top of the range running shoe for 50 pounds but
you will have to buy a new running shoe every year, or six months.  Choose
well and a bike could last a lifetime, go on any club run in the UK and you'll
see the old boys on 1950s Hetchins and such like.  Your local bike club is
also a good source of second hand equipment.  Remember too with running you'll
be forking out a few grand for knee rebuilds 10 years down the road too.  That
is if you don't want to sit on a hospital waiting list.

David.
From: ks@stat.tamu.edu (Kurt F. Sauer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: NCCA board meeting summary
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:07:17 GMT
Organization: A&M Cycling Team, Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: stat.tamu.edu

Mike Prime writes about Collegiate Nationals:
>	94 roads: Still up for bid, with a couple of things in the works.
>	One bid received has the promise of being the best organized
>	collegiate road nationals ever, but I'm afraid I can't say where it
>	is just yet.

My understanding is that Midwestern State University, at Wichita Falls,
Texas, will host the 1994 road nationals.  MSU and Wichita Falls is
well-supported by the Hotter'n Hell Hundred race committee.  If this is
the group Mike is referring to, yes, the '94 road nationals should be
the best organized a collegiate race might ever be.

IMHO, the HHH people are really good to cycling.
--
Kurt F. Sauer
College Station, Texas

PGP public key available on request.
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From: stek@amazon.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: Training Series in Newton, MA
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:58:21 GMT


	The Boston Road Club Presents:
	
	The Wells Avenue Training Series
    		Newton MA (That's a suburb of Boston)

	Sundays March 7 to October 3

Time	Race	Distance   BRC Members  Non-members
8:30	E	4 miles		$2	$2
9:15	D	12 miles	$4	$7
10:00	C	20 miles	$4	$7
10:00:30 W	20 miles	$4	$7
11:00	A	32 miles	$4	$7
12:30	B	24 miles	$4	$7

All races are held on a 0.8 mile loop in an industrial park.  There 
is only one turn of significance and maybe 20 feet of elevation change
on the loop. 

This is a great place to learn how to race!

All the standard USCF rules on equipment and attire apply, though if
you show up wearing a Banesto jersy we won't give you a hard time.  
A rainbow one is another story however.

E Race consists of five slow laps of instruction followed by a 5 lap race
  (the $2 entry can be applied to the D race if you do it the same day.)

D Race is for first year racers.  This race gives valuable pack riding 
  experience.

C Race is for experienced citizen racers and USCF Cat 5 men. It is faster 
  and longer than the D race.  Primes are offered as well. 

W Race is for citizen and Cat 4 WOMEN.  This will be run at the same time
  as the C race.  If attendance is not enough to justify a separate race, 
  they will race with the C's.  There will be women's primes in that case.

B Race is for USCF cat 3 and 4 racers only.  LICENCES WILL BE CHECKED!
  This may be run as a points race on occasion.

A Race is for USCF Cat Pro,1,2,3 riders only.  This may be run as a 
  points race also.  

Race Series memberships are $20 and give the $3 discount along with other
goodies.  More info is available at registration.  

To get to the races, take Exit 19B from Rt 128.  Take Highland Ave heading 
West.  Make a Left onto Huntington Road followed by another Left onto
Kendrick St.  This turns into Nahanton Street as you enter Newton.  Make
a right on Wells Ave. You should see a sign for the races here.

For more info contact the BRC hotline: (617) 332-1117

Paul Stek
President
Boston Road Club
Stek@pfc.mit.edu

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From: 97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Subject: Re: NCCA - Let's Fix It
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 00:23:44 PST

In article <1993Jan25.201518.13911@colorado.edu>
brunnerj@copland.Colorado.EDU (John Brunner) writes:
 
>Patrick David Walters writes:
>
>>Hmm let's see here. You say that it is quite logical for the men's and women's
>>teams to compete together for a combined title. Well, please tell me in what
>>other sport this occurs.  In what sport do the men and women fight for a
>>combined trohpy but never actually compete at the same time in the same
>>arean!
>
>Collegiate skiing is one sport where men and women's results are combined
>to determine an overall winner.  Additionally, team scores are based on
>results in both alpine and nordic events, with few skiers (I won't say
>none) competing in both types.
>
>John
 
I don't know where you go, but Alpine and nordic are seperate as far as I
know at WSU. As for men's and women's being combined, Skiing is more of an
individualistic sport. Its you and the mountain. I have taught skiing and
skied for a good many years and I am not aware of any team tactics but
please feel free to try anmd explain some to me. If there are any team
tactics it would basicaly be, "so and so skied poorly I need to put in
a really good time." Look at swimming at the club level they have "team"
winners, but in the olympics they give out individual medals. ????
--
Patrick David Walters                     President WSU Cycling Club
97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu                Race Dircetor WSU Stage Race
Undergrad Soc Minor in Fren and Bus         Send Mail for more info on
Washington State University   Pullman, WA   either !
 
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