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From: joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields)
Subject: Sjowall & Wahloo and other series
Originator: joan@ocean
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:12:08 GMT


	I recently started rereading the Martin Beck books by
Maj Sjowall and Per Whaloo.  They are ten books, a series of police
procedurals set in Sweden.  Not only are they good mysteries (in the
police procedural sub-genre of mysteries) they also chart the life of
Martin beck as he goes through some major life changes.  There are two
threads I'd like to propose: the first is does anyone know of other books
that do this (ie: Janwillem Van der Wetering's police procedurals set in
Amsterdam and perhaps Nicholas Freeling's books as well) and do it
particularly well (I realize that Sayer's did it but I would like to avoid
the obvious ones and look for series that aren't as well known) and how
this adds or subtracts from the books as a whole.

The second thread would be a discussion of the Sjowall/Whaloo books
themselves.

Anyone interested?

Wet fishes and stolen kisses, 

Joan

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From: twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin)
Subject: Re: *Any* kind of r.a.b split, or at least a *serious* discussion
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:24:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.180850.26863@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com 
(lewis.h.mammel..jr) writes:

>In article <1992Dec20.091759.27869@netcom.com>, tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
>> 	A *joking* attitude, it's called, and is easily recognized as such
>> by anyone with either a clue or a sense of humor.

>The boys throw stones at the frogs in jest, but the frogs die in earnest.


Someone, somewhere, recently remarked that the biggest growth industry 
in this country is Taking Offense where None is Intended.  


(I thought it was Owning a Sense of Entitlement without Reciprocal 
Responsibilities, myself.) 


--Barbara
From: ah@dunaad.co.uk (Alan Hunter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Reading as an addiction (Was: 92 in rabreview)
Date: 3 Jan 93 13:25:32 GMT
Organization: Dunathad

In article <13766@optilink.COM> brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes:
>> 
>> Not to mention: do you have to think about what *not* to take with so
>> you'll have enough room for all the books you'll be coming back with?
>> Or, do you spend more time planning what bookstores you'll visit than
>> on any other aspect of travel planning?  Or extend business trips by
>> two or three days so you'll have time to visit all the local
>> bookstores?
>> usw..

I made around 80% on this one vs 50% on the original. I guess that the
travelling bookie is a distinct sub-species. 

There's a hotel I stay at  4/5 times a year in Portugal who keep the books
I leave behind and put them on my bedside table next time I come.  

Alan

-- 
Alan Hunter
Johnson Hunter Ltd
Isle of Islay, Scotland
A.Hunter@dunaad.co.uk          fax: +44-496-2336         voice: +44-496-2286
From: lmollett@lunatix.uucp (Laura Mollett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Anne Rice Fan
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:06:37 GMT
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121

In article <1992Dec28.200820.8262@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.182615.2160@lunatix.uucp> lmollett@lunatix.uucp (Laura Mollett) writes about Anne Rice's BELINDA:
>
>>My husband also enjoyed this book a great deal, and felt that one of
>>the most fascinating parts was her wonderful portrayal of a male protaganist.
>>He said she managed to express a male point of view really well for a female
>>author.  Anyway, I recommend it, for what that's worth :).
>
>Rice's recent TALE OF THE BODY THIEF is the story of the Vampire Lestat's
>switching bodies with a mortal man. Since much of the story concerns
>Lestat's reaction to suddenly being a functioning male human being
>again, it involves a similar imaginative leap on Rice's part.
>
Did you like that aspect of it?  I mean, do you feel like she did a good job
of portraying a male?  I haven't read this one yet.  Most of the reviews I've
seen on the net portray it as predictable, which doesn't encourage me to buy
it in hardback, and I haven't seen a paperback version yet.  What did ya
think of it.
			Laura
>
>--Mike
>
>
>
>-- 
>Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
>mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
>(617) 864-0665  |                           
>EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost 
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From: kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Re: Sjowall & Wahloo and other series
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 01:58:50 GMT



	Mike Godwin writes:

	This C.K. Chesterton fan wonders whether "K.C. Constantine" is a nom de
	plume. Is it?

	Jon Corelis writes:
	Yes, as I believe another poster has already pointed out, this is a
	pseudonym. 
	
Yet, Chesterton is G.K. is he not? i.e. Gilbert Keith.


        JC:
	David Godine, incidentally, is an exemplary publisher, whose books
	are always beautifully produced and resonably priced.  I believe he was
	the first to publish Constantine.
				  ....	
	I haven't noticed any offerings from Godine in books stores in recent
	years.  Does anyone know if he's still around? 


	I got a catalog in the mail about two months ago. I didn't buy
anything but there was the usual mix of interesting stuff. I'm reading
Georges Perec's *Life, a user's manual*, published by Godine, at the
moment.

Keith



--

Keith Morgan kamorgan@athena.mit.edu
In the end nothing could be said of his work except that it was
preposterous and true and totally unacceptable. Edward Whittemore
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From: kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Re: 92 in rabreview
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:12:31 GMT

		Jan Yarnot writes:

		I've had an eventful r.a.b. year.  I read some 220
		books     	[....]

Whoa, hold on just a minute. 220? That's incredible, I am in awe. Now
I know why I have these areas of ignorance, I just *thought* I read a
lot. I guess compared to nothing, maybe I do. 220? Wow. Incredible.

Keith - who's signing off to read something NOW
--

Keith Morgan kamorgan@athena.mit.edu
In the end nothing could be said of his work except that it was
preposterous and true and totally unacceptable. Edward Whittemore
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From: lmollett@lunatix.uucp (Laura Mollett)
Subject: Re: Stark Naked
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 04:38:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.155942.7362@speedy.aero.org> nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writes:
>
[snip snip]
>If the book in question is by Norton Juster, that gives me more incentive
>to go out and get it.  I wasn't aware that he had written anything but
>_The Phantom Tollbooth_ which should not be given to children too young
>to understand the humor.
>
>Miriam Nadel

That was a wonderful book!  I'll never forget Miles and his car and Tick Tock,
the watchdog, tho I haven't read it since I was in high school (too many years
ago to mention).  I've lived since then in great fear of leaping to the Isle
of Conclusion and having to swim the sea to get back :).  Thanks for reminding
me.  Did you know it was made into a movie too?  That and the Little Prince
are two of the best "childrens" movies I can think of (the one with Gene Wilder,
not the cartoon, tho.)
				Laura Mollett
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From: joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields)
Subject: Re: *Any* kind of r.a.b split, or at least a *serious* discussion
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:25:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.031612.20812@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>In article <23DEC92.01535476@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>>But if you want to whine about the behavior of "guests" as though
>>rec.arts.books is a private party for you and your friends, you can ram your
>>inconsequential remarks up your ass.

>Don't repress, Heather. Try to tell us how you *really* feel about it.


But Mike, heather doesn't do repression- didn't you notice that? :)

The thought occured to me that perhaps Heather was related to INFIDEL but
then again, INFIDEL is at least imaginative. :)

Yours with wet fishes and kinishes,

Joan
J'embrasse mon rival; mais c'est pour l'etouffer. :)



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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Morally good hypertext
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<JMC.92Dec23001836@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> <BzpnsG.Fy@dunaad.co.uk>
Date: 23 Dec 92 09:24:35

I included:
>What can one recommend in the meantime?
>...
>3. Prefer immediate benefits to hypothetical long range benefits.
>The theory promising the long range benefits may not be that good.

Alan Hunter replied:

     It is that reasoning which causes all political leaders to
     push each economic upturn as far as it will go, inevitably
     giving rise to the next downturn.

Precisely.  The theory that the upturn leads to the downturn or,
more specifically, what aspect of the upturn leads to a downturn,
is dubious.  Not clearly wrong - but dubious.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

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From: ah@dunaad.co.uk (Alan Hunter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,news.groups
Subject: Re: *Any* kind of r.a.b split, or at least a *serious* discussion
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:03:38 GMT
Organization: Johnson Hunter Limited

>In article <1992Dec20.185632.21898@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) writes:
>
>>I agree that a split is worse than useless, if the ones I wish to address are
>>unwilling to take it seriously.  However, those who refuse to acknowledge the 
>>degree of cliqueishness are fooling themselves.  I do not accuse anyone of 
>>specifically shunning newcomers.  I do accuse a small group of people of 
>>ignoring the fact that most of the *readers* of this group do not wish to play
>>their games.

One of us has seriously misunderstood the nature of this group. I thought
that this was a group for posting; that you didn't actually read other
people's messages at all. Of course you need to scan them to steal other
people ideas (as in this case), but you don't read messages here.  

Think about. It makes sense. It's the only reading that does make sense.
If you want to read something try comp.unix.wizards or some other such
place where you know damn well that you don't post. 

Or you could try a book. I took a bribe at the end of last week and
allowed the folio society to provide me, free of charge, with a "Chambers
Biographical Dictionary" and a slip case containing "The Moonstone",
"Armadale", "The Woman in White" and "No Name" in return for rejoining
their fold. Despite a personal preference for "The Woman in White", I'm
starting with "The Moonstone" where our butler recommends "Robinson Crusoe"
as the book for all seasons.  As I recall Dickens recommends Hamlet at the
beginning of "A Christmas Carol".  It's endless, you could read for ever
and ever and live happily ever after. 

I also find that I can pick up well printed and bound editions from the
Folio Society of "The Source of the Nile" (Burton), "Revolt in the Desert"
(TE Lawrence), "The Travels of Marco Polo" and "Symposium" over the course
of the next year for 101.80 Sterling.  Not Bad. 

Rgds
Alan


-- 
Alan Hunter
Johnson Hunter Ltd
Isle of Islay, Scotland
A.Hunter@dunaad.co.uk          fax: +44-496-2336         voice: +44-496-2286
From: hoosiers@carson.u.washington.edu (Mary Loveless)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Loveless and an Xmas Literary Conundrum
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:55:40 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1gt1r9INNmcm@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu
(Francis Muir) writes: 
>
>Loveless is just another form of Lovelace of course. 

We Lovelesses take strong exception to this view, and have, for lo these
many centuries, been searching for the word from which our august
nomenclature derived, in either Norman, Celtic or Anglo-Saxon archives,
meaning "Superior Being." Our contention is that the "Lovelace" corruption
came about in the Regency era when some bedizened fop, since drummed out
of the family, changed his name to better reflect his appearance. 

>And here is my Christmas Puzzler.
>
>	Who wrote the following about the poet, Richard Lovelace?
>
>		I could not love lace half so much
>		Loved I not Lovelace more.
>
>								Fido

I bow in seeming humility (being a Loveless, I only pretend) to your
superior wisdom and beg for enlightenment, since no one else among the
R.A.B.ble seems inclined to answer.  I studied literature and poetry of
this era, but it was nearly 30 years ago and my memory isn't what it used
to be.  Why do I suddenly have this urge to take a course in the
metaphysical poets? 

FURTHER SEEKING ENLIGHTENMENT

re 'codswallop.' You posted of several quotes which used it in context,
but none of the entries spoke to the meaning that seemed so obvious, to
this humble (smirk) neophyte:  a marine metaphor for matter resulting from
a certain activity popular with solitary male humans (a similar metaphor,
for females, would be 'slapping the clams.').  Thus I *assume* you said my
posting about Louisa May Alcott was *seminal*, which I hear is a great
compliment among literati.  And then to call it *feminist* codswallop!  I
feel flattered beyond words.  But *do* let me know if I have presumed too
much. 

Mary Loveless  hoosiers@carson.u.washington.edu
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From: ssivakum@ptdcs2.intel.com (Sam Sivakumar)
Subject: For donw@mentorg.com - Mail bounced
Organization: Intel Corporation -- Aloha, Oregon
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:29:48 GMT

	Sorry for posting this, but e-mail bounced consistently.  

	Don, I got your message _after_ I left for India, so I could not
get the book for you.  Tell you what, I have a copy of Monte Cristo that
I can give to you if you wish, provided my Dad can get me another copy 
from India.  Let me know if this would be okay.

-- 
Sam Sivakumar		    |  Killer shrew, killer shrew,
ssivakum@ptdcs5.intel.com   |  K-I-L-L-ER Shrew !   
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From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: Sjowall & Wahloo and other series
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:34:23 GMT

joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields) writes:


>	I recently started rereading the Martin Beck books by
>Maj Sjowall and Per Whaloo.  They are ten books, a series of police
>procedurals set in Sweden.  Not only are they good mysteries (in the
>police procedural sub-genre of mysteries) they also chart the life of
>Martin beck as he goes through some major life changes.  There are two
>threads I'd like to propose: the first is does anyone know of other books
>that do this (ie: Janwillem Van der Wetering's police procedurals set in
>Amsterdam and perhaps Nicholas Freeling's books as well) and do it
>particularly well (I realize that Sayer's did it but I would like to avoid
>the obvious ones and look for series that aren't as well known) and how
>this adds or subtracts from the books as a whole.

>The second thread would be a discussion of the Sjowall/Whaloo books
>themselves.

It's been a long time since I've read Sjowal and Whaloo (is that spelled
right?) but I remember them very well and very fondly.  Wahloo (that
doesn't look right either) also wrote an intriguing speculative novel,
titled something like The Seventh Floor.

One suggestion: if you enjoy these, you should also read James McClure's
South African novels (The Steam Pig, Snake, etc.) about two policemen,
one white, one black, and their evolving relationship.  McClure, too,
wrote excellent books outside the series, including two fine non-fiction
books on a British and an American police force.

The most obvious suggestion, of course, is Ed McBain's 87th Precinct
novels -- which Sjowal and Whaloo (that still doesn't look right) pay
tribute to.  McBain has the procedural part now bang right, but the
characters require a lot of "willing suspension of disbelief", which is
not true of McClure, Van der Wetering, or S&W. 

--Jeff Frane

-- 
gummitch@techbook.COM  Public Access UNIX at (503) 220-0636 (1200/2400) 


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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: 92 in rabreview
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:47:10 GMT

> yarnot@babbage.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot) writes:
>I've had an eventful r.a.b. year.  I read some 220 books, mostly
>mysteries, but some of the best were by David Lodge (who is indeed
>funny, and Catholic, and I don't think ex-, JoAnn, more muddlin'
>through like I do, and who is married with two children, which
>doesn't leave "gay" out, but the way he writes, I have my doubts)
>(I don't want to get flamed.... I just mean his hetero-sex scenes
>seem to indicate an authorial interest)

Yes...I think someone was confusing Lodge with David Plante,
an American writer who is funny and ex-Catholic and gay...
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From: kk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Ken Kittlitz)
Subject: Re: Good Westerns
Organization: University of Calgary
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:39:18 GMT


  I recommend Lewis B. Patten, who wrote many books from the fifties to the
late seventies.  I think he died sometime in the early eighties, and since
then his books have become hard to find in new book stores, though they're
widely available in used ones.  He had a terse, gritty writing style, and
definitely presented an unromantic view of the West.  Three favorites of
mine are "Death of a Gunfighter," "Bones of the Buffalo" and "Red Sabbath,"
about the Battle of the Little Big Horn.  All of these are pretty damn
depressing (i.e., good  ;->).
						Ken
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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Anne Rice Fan
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:08:27 GMT

In article <105531@bu.edu> mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin) writes:
>Are there any Anne Rice fans out there anymore?
>--Mac
>mcelroy@acs.bu.edu

I confess to being one, although THE MUMMY and THE WITCHING HOUR put me
off my feed for a while. TALE OF THE BODY THIEF was a guilty pleasure
during my vacation.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost 
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From: msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Education and the Environment by Gregory A. Smith
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:05:42 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo


                                 Wednesday, the 30th of December, 1992

Responding to a review of _Education and the Environment: Learning
to Live with Limits_, by Gregory A. Smith, John L. Scott wrote:
  Ah, good.  Yet another reason to homeschool my children.

Michael McDonald writes:
  Do you mean to tell me that with generations of kids having been profoundly
  socialized to blithely accept all sorts of thinks of dubious value (like
  most of America's wars), you can genuinely get up in arms at the prospect
  of kids being socialized to "understand the social costs of environmental
  degradation"?  (Wow! sounds so insidious it must be a Satanic plot or
  something!)
  
  Maybe that jerk Pat Buchanan was right after all, maybe this *is* a war for
  America's soul, if such socialization can really strike you as "radical."
  
I don't know. I thought approximately the same thing as John: There is
no way I'm going let them carry out their experiments in indoctrination
on *my* children. It is this rot---together with the fact that there is
so very much like it already in the schools that most of what my wife and I
consider real education gets ignored of a necessity---that has us committed
to homeschooling our children.

                      Mike Morris
               (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)
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From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Reading as an addiction (Was: 92 in rabreview)
Summary: why?
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:23:28 GMT
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC

In article <1992Dec31.232744.16339@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.211322.6634@csusac.csus.edu> 
> yarnot@babbage.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot) writes:
>>19, here.  Would have been more if I watched TV sports.
>
>What she said.

But why watch TV (especially, for sports) when there are so many
unread books in piles immediately to hand?

-- 
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mls@panix.com		 Whose honour is the image of our sorrow ...
			 They built by rivers and at night the water
			 Running past the windows comforted their sorrow."
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From: lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (lewis.h.mammel..jr)
Subject: Re: Project B.F.D. (was: An apology)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:09:09 GMT
Summary: Drive him fast to his tome

In article <1992Dec21.181937.25595@panix.com>, pnh@panix.com (Patrick Nielsen-Hayden) writes:
> I have to say, the more I read this discussion and others like it in
> r.a.b., the more I like the evil elitists and their in-crowd scum friends,
> and the less I care for the white knights crusading on behalf of the
> downtrodden lurkers and newbies.

It's really more a question of a jacquerie, isn't it ? The knights
are all in the castle.

Lew Mammel, Jr.
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