HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gord Locke)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: RN problem -- default editor
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:20:12 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland


	A re-post of my incorrectly-posted previous article:

	Basically, I just wanted to know how to set up rn so that
instead of prompting me for which editor I want to use, it jumps me
directly into vi.  My manual isn't terribly clear on this.
	Thanks in advance. 
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: tin flame
Organization: Cleveland State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:15:39 GMT

Tim Pierce (twpierce@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
: Earlier this evening I compiled and installed tin 1.1 PL8, having gone
: through the CHANGES document and determined to my satisfaction that
: the greatest difference between it and PL7 was the elm-style
: "mini-menu."  No sooner had I installed it, however, than I started
: receiving complaints from my users about key settings changing,
: specifically "t" and "T".

Are you sure you are not griping because you did a LOUSY job as a
sysadmin?  This is not Iain's fault--you just need to think these things
out FIRST before making yourself look so bad publicly for all to see and
remark on.

I mean, you CAN eliminate the mini-menu, an excellent feature for those
users you do not adequately prepare, then seek to blame the programmer
for!  How typical.  Read and examine the program, its documentation, etc.,
like you should.  

Cowboy

Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: steveb@steveb.pcmaguk.london.ziff.com (Steve Browne)
Subject: Looking for a MS-Win newsreader
Reply-To: steveb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.20 $
Organization: PC Magazine UK
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:26:27 +0000

Is there a Windows (3.1) newsreader available for fp from anywhere?
If it could do nntp then even better. I'm currently getting news
via nntp using ka9q, and using cppnews (an snews replacement) to
read it. A real windows reader would be a lot handier though.

Any ideas ??

Steve

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: sbpress@csws20 (The Stony Brook Press)
Subject: Re: Threaded News Readers
Reply-To: sbpress@ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: The State University of New York at Stony Brook
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:11:33 GMT

ted@isgtec.com (Ted Richards) writes:
: Alan Thew (qq11@liverpool.ac.uk) wrote:
: : Christopher Davis (ckd@eff.org) wrote:
: : : JC> == John Chandler [Contractor] <johnch@pongo.sun.com>
: 
: : :  JC> Why does it take so long to thread a few hundred articles?  No one
: : :  JC> needs to drink that much coffee!  Why can trn do it so much faster?
: : :  JC> Does anyone understand the two algorithms well enough to comment on
: : :  JC> why one is so much faster than the other and what it would take to
: : :  JC> improve gnus' performance?
: 
: : : The main reason trn is faster is because it does it when you're not
: : : looking (via mthreads).
: 
: : tin gets good performance in threading if you use tind (as I'm doing now).
: : otherwise performance on a loaded machine using NNTP can be slooowwww...
: 
: tin also gets good performance without tind if you use the -U option.
: It starts up a second copy of tin that does the indexing in the
: background while you're reading the articles it has already indexed.
: 
: --
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: ISG Technologies Inc.   6509 Airport Rd., Mississauga  Ont.  Canada   L4V 1S7


I have a better way. I have the command: nice tin -u >& /dev/null & ,
in my .login file(csh).


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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: tin flame
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:03:11 GMT

In article <1gkvc8INN8l5@ope001.iao.ford.com> "Mike O'Connor" <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> writes:

>If you want to gripe about the
>key bindings, send Iain a patch which allows people to bind their own
>keys on a user and systemic level.

I'm led to understand that this is already being worked on.  In any
case, I think that the defaults should be something a little more
consistent.

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton)
Subject: Re: tin flame
Organization: t.b, t.p.d, & a.d
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:08:31 GMT

Tim Pierce (twpierce@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
: Earlier this evening I compiled and installed tin 1.1 PL8, having gone
: ...
: No sooner had I installed it, however, than I started
: receiving complaints from my users about key settings changing,
: specifically "t" and "T".
: 
: There it is, listed in CHANGES, but buried in between the rest of the
: fixes in declarations and platform idiosyncrasies.  Furthermore, it's
: listed as a "bug," when it seems nothing more than a change from
: behavior that Iain didn't like.  First "f" and "F" get swapped, and
: now this.  Does anyone actually want changes like these made?  Or are
: they subject simply to every whim that strikes Iain's fancy?

  Hmmmm.  It would seem to me that it shouldn't be that hard to make the
key-to-function mappings come out of some global init file, in which case
sysops could decide for themselves whether they wanted to change the key
mappings or leave them like the previous version.  I know I've done that in
some programs; it adds very little code.  One could even provide for an
individual user init file to override the standard key mappings, ala mush.

  Would you be interested in jointly suggesting this for version 1.2?

  I sympathise a bit with Iain, having gone through some incredible gyrations
myself on some PC s/w design, trying to get the "perfect" function key 
assignment -- but then, my s/w didn't have the user base that tin does.
  -- Clifton
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From: sig@softlab.is.tsukuba.ac.jp (SASAKI Shigeo)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Am looking for Japanese NewsReader
Date: 19 Dec 92 12:39:36 GMT
Organization: Software Lab., Inst. of Info. Sci. & Elec., Univ. of TSUKUBA

In article <1992Dec17.035311.20929@netsys.com> norman@netsys.com (Norman Gillaspie) writes:

> I am able to get the what appears to be the complete set
> of Japanese news groups.I am looking for a news reader
> for a Sun computer system. Where can I FTP a reader?

You can get a japanese version of rn at sh.wide.ad.jp
(133.4.11.11) via ano. FTP.  If you would like to use GNUS,
you can get Nemacs (japanese version of GNU Emacs) and Mule
(Multilingual Enhancement of GNU Emacs) at sh.wide.ad.jp,
too.  These are put on /JAPAN/{rn,nemacs3.3,mule} respectively.

Enjoy japanese news groups!  We'll welcome you.
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: sergio@Ingres.COM (Sergio L Aponte)
Subject: Re: tin flame
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Distribution: net
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:27:49 GMT

	More on this.

	I did notice that he was changing "t" and "T". What is a little
	disturbing is that this has been changed at the thread level
	only.

	If you get a list of articles in a thread, you use "T" to tag.
	Also, when you "save->tagged...", again, it is still "T". So the
	only place I see "T" and "t" changed is at the thread list level.

	Was this by design? What my users like is consistency, and if 
	Tag is "t", they like it to be "t" everywhere...

	BTW, I only mention this here as a comment related to this thread,
	not a flame to Iain.  He has always been very responsive to all
	comments,bugs and sugestions...
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: day@elmer.orl.mmc.com (Jim Day)
Subject: New reader recommendations
Organization: Martin Marietta (Orlando, FL)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:44:27 GMT

I know this question will probably start debates but hopefully we can keep this
real simple.  I currently use xrn to read News on my HP 720 here at work.  I want
to be able to get to this system via dumb terminals (either directly connected
or via telnet using vt100 type emulation).  I was thinking about getting the
current release of RN and putting that on the system so I can read news on non-X
terminals.

1.  Is RN best choice? (I used NNTP server to get to our news feed).

2.  Where is the "usual" (best) place to get this software?


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From: ianm@laghey.UUCP (Ian Moran)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: tin flame
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:06:03 GMT
Organization: Private Amiga Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

: I've decided that here I will not install future patches to tin unless
: they take the package to a new version number, such as 2.0 (and
: perhaps not even then) or fix major problems that people are
: experiencing.  The changes are simply too erratic and unpredictable to
: loose on my users every few weeks without warning.
: 
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:  \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 


I am absolutely amazed at your attitude. Iain has put a lot of time and
effort into what has become one of the most popular news readers. Your
comments would be valid if TIN was commercial which it is not. What
exactly do you expect?. TIN is Iain's product, he is free to alter it as
he sees fit, if you don't like that then get another reader!

 Ian

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From: cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: tin flame
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:32:24 GMT
Organization: t.b, t.p.d, & a.d
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Pope Clifton (cliftonr@netcom.com) wrote:
: Tim Pierce (twpierce@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
: : Earlier this evening I compiled and installed tin 1.1 PL8, having gone
: : ...
: : No sooner had I installed it, however, than I started
: : receiving complaints from my users about key settings changing,
: : specifically "t" and "T".
: 
:   Hmmmm.  It would seem to me that it shouldn't be that hard to make the
: key-to-function mappings come out of some global init file, in which case
: sysops could decide for themselves whether they wanted to change the key
: mappings or leave them like the previous version.  I know I've done that in
: some programs; it adds very little code.  One could even provide for an
: individual user init file to override the standard key mappings, ala mush.

  I just filed this as an enhancement request via the 'B'ug report command.
If you're right about Iain preferring to work on enhancements and tweaks 
to fixing bugs, maybe this will get his attention. <grin>
  If it's caused you a lot of grief, maybe you should file the same 
enhancement request, on the 'squeaky wheel' principle.
  -- Clifton

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From: ci229@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrew Miller)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Looking to test news readers
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:48:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ci229@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrew Miller)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone have several of the ascii based news readers online so that I can
telnet over and take a look at them.

                                            -Andrew
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Xref: sparky news.software.readers:2482 news.software.nn:1652 news.software.b:3534
From: kenh@leps5.phys.psu.edu (Ken Hornstein)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,news.software.nn,news.software.b
Subject: Re: trn/nn compile w/ inn?
Keywords: inn nntp trn nn
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:54:41 GMT
Organization: Penn State, Laboratory for Elementary Particle Science

In article <1gm38uINNsb0@leela.CS.ORST.EDU> langfod@leela.CS.ORST.EDU (David Langford) writes:
>Has anyone compiled TRN to use the NNTP library from the INN package?
>The configure script for TRN wants to know where the standard NNTP sources
>are (which, of course, are not the same as with INN).

INN comes with a library that can emulate the NNTP library.  But, if you want
to run mthreads on your news server (like I do), you will find out that you
can't apply the patches in trn/nntp to add the routines necessary for the
XTHREAD extension on the client side.  But to be honest, I didn't try that
hard :-)  What I ended up doing was compiling trn with the nntp library
(with the xthread patches) and using INN's inews.  Works for me.  There is
no doubt a better solution, tho.

--Ken
Xref: sparky news.software.readers:2473 gnu.emacs.gnus:1406
From: qq11@liverpool.ac.uk (Alan Thew)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: Re: Threaded News Readers
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:08:45 GMT
Followup-To: news.software.readers,gnu.emacs.gnus
Organization: The University of Liverpool
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Christopher Davis (ckd@eff.org) wrote:
: JC> == John Chandler [Contractor] <johnch@pongo.sun.com>

:  JC> Why does it take so long to thread a few hundred articles?  No one
:  JC> needs to drink that much coffee!  Why can trn do it so much faster?
:  JC> Does anyone understand the two algorithms well enough to comment on
:  JC> why one is so much faster than the other and what it would take to
:  JC> improve gnus' performance?

: The main reason trn is faster is because it does it when you're not
: looking (via mthreads).

tin gets good performance in threading if you use tind (as I'm doing now).
otherwise performance on a loaded machine using NNTP can be slooowwww...
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From: davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: News OVerview concerns
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:47:25 GMT
Organization: Borland International

I've been looking into the NOV database format and how it relates to
trn, and I have the following concerns:

   o	NOV doesn't keep track of the originating thread an article
	belongs to, so killing threads via KILL file will no longer
	work properly.
   o	NOV doesn't keep a flag for the Xref header, so killing
	articles is going to be very slow again when checking for
	xref lines.  Putting the Xref line in the database or at
	least adding a flag like .thread files have would be nice.
   o	.overview files are 2 to 3 times bigger than .thread files.
	This is quite significant when fetching the database via NNTP
	(once it's supported).  I wonder if trimming the references to
	a maximum of 3 (the last 3) would help at all?
   o	There's no way to create overview files for a subset of
	newsgroups -- its all or nothing.  (Hmmm -- I suppose you
	could create symbolic links from each .overview file you
	don't want to /dev/null. :-)  Perhaps an active file
	enhancement similar to the 'x' field is in order?  Mthreads
	uses capitalized versions of 'm', 'y', and 'n' for this.

Ideas?

..wayne..
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,bit.listserv.ibmtcp-l,bit.listserv.vm-util
From: NNRPROD@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Paul Campbell)
Subject: NNR/VM version 1.3.1 (Announcement)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:55:38 GMT

NNR (S_1.3.0) and (R_1.3.0) update announcement.
 
Network News Reader/VM (NNR) is a client implementation of Network
News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) a.k.a RFC 977.  NNR can give VM users
interactive access to a wide variety of bulletin boards, digests and
interest groups.
 
SPECIAL THANKS:
    Arty Ecock @ City University New York
    Ken Hornstein @ Pennsylvania State University
 
*****************************************************************
many thanks to the University of Stuttgart and the
Instituto Tecnologico de Monterrey for the anonymous ftp
-----------
Anonymous FTP to VMTECQRO.QRO.ITESM.MX or 132.254.90.1
CD NNR
 
8:00-23:00 CST Mon. to Fri.
9:00-16:00 CST Sat. & Sun.
-----------
FTP rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de or 129.69.1.12
cd /soft/kommunikation/news/beginner/software/nnr
-----------
 
   source.vers130 - nnr sequenced source and support files
   updates.vers131  - individual updates
   nnrrxtcp.vers131 - nnr with rextcpip
   nnrrxsoc.vers131 - nnr with rxsocket (requires fal version 2)
   nnrrxtcp.noas131 - nnr (without rextcpip)
   nnrrxsoc.noas131 - nnr (without rxsocket) (requires fal version 2)
   nnrdocs.vers131 - nnr users guide (script and postscript)
 
 
the above mentioned files are in a punch format and the following
procedure will unpack them.
 
       SPOOL PUN *
       PUNCH Filename Filetype <fm> ( NOH
       ORDER RDR <spid>
       READCARD * * <fm>
 
use the command "gnnrx" to generate the rxsocket version and
"gnnrt" for the rextcpip version from source.vers130 and
updates.vers130.
 
In NNR exec:
   set variable ipaddr : ip address
                mailer : mail machine
          organization : your organization
              thisnode : yournode.yourdomain
 
   make appropriate update for link to production tcpmaint 592
   make appropriate update for printing
 
See "NNR SAMPLEFX" - update, make changes to this file for your site
and file it as "NNR SITEFIX".
 
/pc
 
-------------
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers,gnu.emacs.gnus
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Subject: Re: Threaded News Readers
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
	<JOHNCH.92Dec10142857@pongo.sun.com>
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:43:43


>>>>> "John" == John Chandler [Contractor] (johnch@pongo.sun.com)

John> Why does it take so long to thread a few hundred articles? 

I don't see it taking that much time. Sure, GNUS is not blindingly
fast, but in my experience switching threading on/off does not change
things much. What takes time is to

  1) get the articles from the NNTP server
  2) run the kill file.

Two is especially tough with high-volume groups and large, complex
kill-files. When I'm waiting for GNUS i find it's nearly always in the
killing phase.

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From: pg@sanitas.stortek.com (Paul Gilmartin)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Writing reader from scratch
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:43:28 GMT
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Charles Packer (packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov) wrote:
: Suppose I wanted to write a news reader from scratch, one
: that would read articles from a server. Is there any basic
: document that specifies the Usenet database and how to
: extract data from it via server?  Right now it looks like the
: only way for me to learn that stuff is to study a simple
: news reader such as rn.

RFC 977, available by ftp or by mail from service@nic.ddn.mil.
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: langfod@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (David Langford)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,news.software.nn,news.software.b
Subject: Re: trn/nn compile w/ inn?
Keywords: inn nntp trn nn
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:29:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1gol6iINNlh2
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.cs.orst.edu

In article <1gmgb1INNrt6@wintermute.phys.psu.edu> kenh@leps5.phys.psu.edu (Ken Hornstein) writes:
>In article <1gm38uINNsb0@leela.CS.ORST.EDU> langfod@leela.CS.ORST.EDU (David Langford) writes:
>>Has anyone compiled TRN to use the NNTP library from the INN package?
>>The configure script for TRN wants to know where the standard NNTP sources
>>are (which, of course, are not the same as with INN).
>
>INN comes with a library that can emulate the NNTP library.  But, if you want
>to run mthreads on your news server (like I do), you will find out that you
>can't apply the patches in trn/nntp to add the routines necessary for the
>XTHREAD extension on the client side.  But to be honest, I didn't try that
>hard :-)  What I ended up doing was compiling trn with the nntp library
>(with the xthread patches) and using INN's inews.  Works for me.  There is
>no doubt a better solution, tho.
>
>--Ken

Look at $inn/nnrpd/nnrpd.h 

In are are the #DEFINES that turn on the included (but unsupported)
XTHREADS extensions.
This is great the INN side supports it, but I just cant figure out an easy way
to get the client TRN to compile with the INN libs. 
I guess I am just going to have to  write the config.h.SH files by hand.

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: peter@dragon.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele)
Subject: Tin Question
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:54:29 GMT

Does tin require its own database like nn, or does it get by with
some other kind of coding magic? I'd like to find a news reader
that can get by with only /usr/spool/news, like old rn used to.
I'd rather not have to have to mount yet another news related
directory on all our diskless clients....
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