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From: mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Subject: Re: LIFE magazine and Puppy Mills
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:17:34 GMT

In article <BsyGpK.FAr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hoff@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Wildfire) writes:
>Kimberly Laird <U30993@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>>don't buy from pet stores, please.....
>
>This reminds me of a question....Here in Champaign, there is a petstore
>that claims it does not buy puppys from mills, and they have posted petitions
>for people to sign to stop puppy mills.  To what extent is this sort of
>thing a marketing ploy, and how much is legit?

Some of these stores do not realize they are buying from puppy mills.  I
went into one and asked them where they get there dogs.  They said "from
a breeder in Iowa."   When I looked at the name and address of the breeder,
I recognized it as a place that had been identified by several breed clubs
and humane societies as a mill.

>I sometimes wonder where they get their dogs, although they do have papers
>and pedigrees for them.  (An overly eager salesman showed them to me once
>when he thought I would buy the female akita puppy that stole my heart....
>and I almost did :)  Now, I realize that one should be careful about
>pet stores and genetic problems and such, but what about petstores like
>this one?  If more pet stores spoke up against puppy mills, maybe the mills
>would find themselves out of business.....

I'm sorry, but no breeder who loves his/her animals and respects the
right to life of animals would "sell his stock" to a brokerage agency of
any kind.   As a representative available for information for my local
breed club (Great Pyrenees Club of Northern New England), I tell people
that what you are getting by buying from a GOOD breeder (notice that
emphasis) is a friend and advisor for life because the breeder is going
to be concerned about the quality of life of the animal as much as if
not more than the quality of the animal you are buying.

>No flames, please, I'm just really curious about this and the legitimacy.
>(and how many other stores do this?)

No flames here.   I'm glad you asked because several people are confused.
It's better to admit uncertainty and become informed than to go through
life with questions.

Margaret F. Riley                       +   "Where is human nature so
Circulation Librarian                   +     weak as in the bookstore!"
Worcester Polytechnic Institute         +
100 Institute Road                      +
Worcester, MA   01609                   +    Henry Ward Beecher
mfriley@wpi.wpi.edu                     +        1813-1887
From: dennice@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Dennice)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: *****Re-Post***ROTTWEILER  $700
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:27:58 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: Slac

Rottweiler!!!!!

11 month old Male.

Pure Breed!!!!!

$700.00

Call Brian at (510) 237-7272
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Subject: Re: LIFE magazine and Puppy Mills
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:14:58 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
> The best "petstore" I've seen with respect to this is one that has all
> those petitions, etc, and NO animals.  Instead, she had a whole
> bulletin board full of local breeder listings & descriptions.  She
> also had some good material on how to select a breeder.  Now, *thats*
> the kind of petstore I like to support.
> 

"Petsmart" is a national chain with the policy of not selling puppies
and kittens. They periodically sponsor "adopt-a-pet days" where, I
believe, Humane Society employees bring some dogs & cats to the 
Petsmart and you can adopt them there.  I think this is a nice idea and
a good policy.

Disclaimer: I'm not associated with Petsmart in any way, except that my dog
is having her nails clipped there today.

-- 
Laura Johnson
lpj@hpctdls.col.hp.com
Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Request for show info/experiences
Reply-To: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:00:33 GMT

In article <16ud6tINNqh3@agate.berkeley.edu>, jwd@briones.ced.berkeley.edu 
(John Wilbrand Dahlgren) writes:
>I read the FAQ about showing dogs, but I still have a few
>questions. 
>
>1)   What is a "major"? Apparently you get more points for it.
>     Is it a major win? or a major show?

The number of points awarded is based on the number of dogs entered that
day (the AKC continually updates a point schedule so # points is based on 
the current number of dogs of that breed being shown; ie need more dogs in
the more popular breeds to get more points). The # points ranges from
0-5; a major is 3 or more points. A dog must have a total of 15 points,
including 2 majors, to be a champion.

>2)   In obedience trials are dogs competing against other breeds?
>     Is consideration given for dogs which tend to be harder
>     to train?

Around here, a basset with a mediocre performance will generate a lot
more applause that a golden with a good performance in obedience. :+)
Otherwise, all breeds compete against the judges ideal of perfection
and are (should be) rated the same.


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* jane jackson and murphy b. lab, Am/Can CD, CGC, TDI  *
* jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu                            *
*                                                      *
* standard disclaimer applies...                       *
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From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: looking for new dog suggestions
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:11:28 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu

willett@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (david.c.willett) writes:
[stuff deleted]


>Now, a word to the "show people".  Recently, I read a judges commentary on
>Labradors.  It stated that the show judge should consider whether the dog 
>before them *could* work in the field. {Emphasis mine}  The commentary
>went on to say that the judge should look for strong muscles, smooth 
>movement, etc. etc. {Sorry, can't remember the details}  I wondered,
>"Why have to guess?"  Why don't we require that all Labs being shown
>demonstrate the abilities we seek in order to get their championship?
>After all, is it better to *BE* a cowboy, or just to look the part?

Well the same goes for other breeds.  You tell a typical show-oriented
Rottweiler breeder that their dogs have to have a Sch I before they
can get their conformation championship and they will get really
steamed at you.  Hey, these people can't even agree that a Rottweiler
(supposedly a *working* dog) should be trained to CD level before they
get their CH.  Too few people are concerned about a "total dog."  Some
want temperament only, some want looks only and yet others only care
about working ability.  I personally am not sure that a conformation
champion should have to show working ability, but I do think there
should be more emphasis on having both conformation and working titles
on dogs.  I would support a proposal for the AKC to combine a
conformation championship, some level of obedience or other working
title, and a temperament test to yield an all-around championship.  It
seems that while each of these areas are separate and can be judged that
way, but in the end these qualities must be combined in the best of
our dogs.
--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
From: intrigue@milton.u.washington.edu (Angelwing)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Kerry Blue or Wheaten Terrier
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:05:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug17.190541.13604
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

After much reading and discussion, my partner and I have decided that we
would like to have a Kerry Blue Terrier *or* a Soft coated Wheaten
Terrier.  Leave it to us to pick a breed which is difficult to find. 
Anyway, if anybody out there knows of a breeder of these lovely animals in
the Pacific Northwest area, please let me know.

Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: exumfox@exu.ericsson.se (Mike Fox)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: dog digs holes
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:53:12 GMT
Reply-To: exumfox@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems

Does the dog have a cool spot to rest and does the dog
lay in the holes? If the answers are No and Yet - the
dog is just trying to find a cool comfortable spot to sleep.

Until I put a roof over my patio which keeps the sun off
the cement - my dog was a digging machine. Now he sleeps
on the cement all day (unless he has a rawhide bone, then
he is digging and burying all day)

Good Luck.
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: help with retriever problem
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:26:06 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <16847B893.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu> X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>In article <3533@eastman.UUCP>
>   garrison@kodak.com (Laurie Garrison) writes:
> 
>>i posted this question before, but i got no replies so i am
>>trying again.  i have a three year old golden named Indy.
>>this is the problem:  Indy does not destroy anything when
>>i am not home.  when i *am* home, Indy seems to spend all of sher
>>time looking for things to pick up and eat, like socks, underwear,
>>used kleenix, shirts, remote controls, my glasses, etc.  if i don't catch sher, she EATS them.  as in *gone*. she has eaten two pairs of my glasses,
> 
>  ...things Laurie has tried deleted to save space.....
> 
>>two questions:
>>1. how do i stop this behavior???  i now live with a
>>new roomate who does not appreciate Indy's behavior...i am
>>waiting for the day Indy eats one of sher favorite shirts...
> 
> 
>I have a friend that was having similar problems with his mutt.
>This is what she did that worked wonderfully.
> 
>1.  Obtain a video camera (one with a wide angle lens) and set it up
>    in a corner of the room where most of the item munching has occured.
> 
>2.  Connect the camera to the TV set, so that what goes on is displayed
>    on the TV (ie. don't record).
> 
>3.  Turn the TV so that is visible from a neighbor's window.
> 
>4.  Put a shock collar on the dog.  (put the dummy collar on the dog
>    1 week prior to this and keep it on her).
> 
>5.  On Saturday, go through the motions of going to work and leave the
>    house (including taking the car out of the driveway).  Goto the
>    neighbor's house.  Take the control unit of the shock collar with
>    you.
> 
>6.  When the dog picks up something she's not supposed to have, give
>    her a shock.  Make it real, this isn't supposed to be pleasent
>    for her!
> 
>7.  Repeat EVERY DAY until the dog stops picking things up.  If the
>    dog is even halfway smart, she'll pick it up pretty quick.

Is'nt this just a wee bit on the elaborate side?  I think all she has to do
is (1) keep illegal items out of reach; (2) provide lots of chew toys; 
(3) if the pooch is found chewing an illegal object, use the "GIVE!"
command and force the dog to drop it, then praise and replace with a
legal toy.  I don't dispute that your suggestion would work, it just
seems expensive, elaborate, and un-necessary, unless the dog is 
particularly stubborn.

[stuff deleted]

>      ----------------------------------------------
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From: jwd@briones.ced.berkeley.edu (John Wilbrand Dahlgren)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Request for show info/experiences
Date: 19 Aug 1992 21:07:41 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: briones.ced.berkeley.edu
Keywords: showing, AKC, Shiba

I read the FAQ about showing dogs, but I still have a few
questions. 

1)   What is a "major"? Apparently you get more points for it.
     Is it a major win? or a major show?

2)   In obedience trials are dogs competing against other breeds?
     Is consideration given for dogs which tend to be harder
     to train?

3)   Does anyone have information regarding the recent recognition
     of Shiba's by the AKC? Does this mean that they have their
     own category in dog shows? If my dog is registered in
     Japan can it also be registered by the AKC?

My four month old Shiba and I are new to all of this, so any
information or experiences regarding the showing of dogs (or
shiba's in general) will be greatly appreciated. Feel free to
e-mail and I'll try and summarize and maybe add to the FAQ.

Jack Dahlgren
jwd@ced.berkeley.edu
From: krissie@locus.com (Krissie Griffiths)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs Sleep how long...on the average per day?
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:51:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

i just wanted to jump in here, i am from rec.pets.cats, being a cat person,
but my someone special (hi karl) has a 4-year-old golden retriever.  the
thing alex retrieves best is sleep.  this 86.5 pound boy would probably 
sleep 22 hours a day if it were up to him, the waking hours would be spent
on his potty walks and drinking lots of water.  considering he has gained
l0 pounds in the last year his lack of interest in food is surprising.

i wonder if it has anything to do with the bananas, dates, cookies, and all
sorts of other goodies that he begs out of me in the morning.

he is a sweetie for sure.
From: clipford@digi.lonestar.org (Celeste Lipford)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Moving with dog
Keywords: Moving with Border Colllie, need advice.
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:34:14 GMT
Organization: none

I am in the process of moving from Texas to the Washington D.C. area.  I
have a border collie that has never been caged.  Is it best to have
the dog tranquillized before putting her in the cage ? 

Also, where is the best place to buy an airline cage ?  Is it possible
to rent one ?

Thanks in advance !
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: lauraw@meaddata.com (Laura Wanke)
Subject: Re: Escape Artist
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:08:36 GMT

In article <92225.211430ASOLOMO@auvm.american.edu>, ari solomon <ASOLOMO@auvm.american.edu> writes:

<stuff deleted here>

|>    A question for the List: Shouldn't manufacturers be required
|>    (or at least expected) to include warnings with crates that they know
|>    dogs can solve the latches on?? The potential for disasters is huge.
|>    I had presumed that if it was specially desgined to keep dogs in, well,
|>    that's what I could expect it to do.
|>    It would be interesting to hear from more  owners whose dogs have
|>    solved their crates.
|> Estrella sends congratulations to McDuff.
|> Ari

One weekend while boarding my 8 month old Akita (Suki, now 1 1/2 yrs old)
at the vets, she managed to escape from the cages.   The receptionist 
said that every time she let Suki out for exercise she noticed how 
intently she watched her open and close the cage, but since they had never
had a dog escape from it's cage she really didn't give it much thought.
During the last night that Suki was there she figured out how to open
the cage!  It seems she had a blast playing with all of the toys
and helping herself to all the food while the other dogs were still locked 
in their cages.  Since my husband and I knew that she had to pass through 
several locked doors we knew she wasn't in immediate danger and the thought
of our puppy romping around helping herself to all the toys and food 
was funny.  What was even funnier than that was when we got her out in to the 
truck to take her home the next morning she looked up at us and belched louder than I have ever heard any dog or any beer drinking human!  We had tears in our eyes from laughing so hard!
From: bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: convincing people to go to responsible breeders
Date: 16 Aug 1992 18:08:39 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In the time I've been reading this, I've come to agree with everything
that is said about where to get a dog from.  I can see a problem with all
of this, though, because of something that I read several years ago and
that I know still goes on.

In her book "Every Night, Josephine", Jaqueline Susann talks about trying
to get a poodle puppy after she had finally been converted to the idea
of owning a dog.  She got lists of people to buy from, from friends who
bought from them.  She called every last one, wanting to see a silver
miniature male puppy.  Every last place, when hearing she wanted a pet
instead of a show dog, hung up on her.  She ended up with Josephine, a
black miniature that had been weaned early and was seriously ill from the
day she arrived, buying her from a pet store.

I think that maybe her story is indicative of why people buy a dog or cat
from a pet store:  they want a pet of a certain type and breed and don't
want anything else.  If they're determined, and are tired of getting the
kind of treatment that Ms. Susann received, they'll march down to the pet
store and buy that puppy that fits the bill perfectly.

Beth

-- 
The brighest day in America will be when education has enough funding and
the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy a new bomber....My history
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:15:22 -0400 
From: Barbara Carlson <bc1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Tag's Cool Trick (long-ish)

re: dogs learning how to open gates, etc.

My dog learned how to open our bifold doors from watching the cats! Now
she just pokes her head into the center to fold it a little, then either
uses her paw or her nose to slide it open the rest of the way! I don't
mind, but I've had a few guests comment ... :)
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Spaying My dog
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:13:05 GMT
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine

In <1992Aug21.155315.18175@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> scott@fido.cs.jhu.edu (Scott Smith) writes:

>kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin J. Thommes) writes:

>>It is best to spay your dog when she turns 6 months old at the earliest,
>>or right after her fist heat.

>What I had heard was it is best to spay *before* the first heat, and
>even having the dogs go through heat only once greatly increases (by
>50% I think) the risk of breast cancer.  I also have heard its not
>good to spay too early, because then sometimes they can't pee properly
>(recessed somethingorother).  So, I think 6 months at the earliest is
>good, although this age varies with the breed.

Having just gone through this with my vet, this is what he had to say:
pretty much the earlier the better.  However, the risk of mammary
cancer goes up dramatically after the *second* heat.  So spaying after
the first heat is OK.  I've not heard of problems with peeing from
too-early neutering, though.

In our case, we're going to spay after Hershe's first heat because she
has chronic vaginitis.  Allowing her to go through one heat lets the
membranes toughen and decreases/eliminates the vaginitis.

--Cindy

--
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The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all eight parts -- is available via ftp to
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From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Hip Dysplaysia  WAS: Scaredy cat dog
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:19:48 GMT

In article <2A9128C3.24375@ics.uci.edu>, tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
|> In <19382@drutx.ATT.COM> mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior) writes:
|> 
|> >Both CHD and hip displaysia are hereditary and
|> >cannot be influenced by environmental factors.
|> 
|> This seems a bit strong to me.  Yes, they are hereditary diseases,
|> nothing changes that.  But the clinical symptoms can be aggravated or
|> minimized with environmental factors.  This includes keeping their
|> weight down and restraining them from doing things like jumping.  In
|> this manner, you have a dog with HD, but that is much more comfortable
|> (minimum pain) than it would be if you let it get overweight and jump
|> around and put more stress on those dysplastic joints.  So preventing
|> a dysplastic dog from going up and down the stairs may, in fact, help
|> reduce its pain.  It would, however, not remove the fact that it has
|> HD since that is hereditary.
|> 

Perhaps I should have clarified myself a bit.  Yes, you *can* do things to
help a dog with hip dysplaysia, but the very best vitamins, food, and care may 
not help much with severe dysplaysia.  The following brings out
my point:  

I read in Dog Fancy about a woman who bought her dog (I believe a GSD) from a 
reputable breeder.  In spite of both parents being OFA certified and no known 
dysplaysia in the lineage, the puppy had a severe case of hip dysplaysia.  The 
breeder immediately offered another dog at no cost to the woman (without 
sacrificing the other pup) which she declined because the breeder had not
intentionally sold her a bad puppy.  Both she and the breeder looked for ways to
minimize the dysplaysia, but it kept getting worse.  As a last resort, the dog
had it's hips replaced (when it was full grown).

HD is like *any* genetic disease.  The cards are stacked against you winning the
battle.  While you may delay the full onset and pain HD causes by keeping your
dog trim, not letting him jump about, giving him a good diet, I still think it
will come on with a vengence.  

I had a Collie who suffered from this disease (another victim of
backyard breeders) and in spite of all that we did, she couldn't use her back 
legs at all towards the end before we had her put to sleep.  My answer to hip
dysplaysia is to stamp it out by good breeding practices.

Sky Warrior
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