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From: bturner@hpcvusc (Bill Turner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: XtAppAddActions Problems With X11R4
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:32:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvusn.1992Sep28.163233.21457
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

> We have a large-ish Motif-based application which makes liberal use of the 
> XtAppAddActions call to add app-specific actions to several of the widgets 
> we use. We also define translations for those widgets which refer to those 
> actions. When we pop up the first window that has such translations, we get 
> messages like:
> 
>     Warning: Action MyAction1 not found
>     Warning: Action MyAction2 not found
>     Warning: Action MyAction3 not found
>     etc.
> 
> or words to that effect. And, of course, the translations do nothing. 
> Regular widget translations work just fine. Only those specified in calls 
> to XtAppAddActions fail.
> 
> We are running HP-UX 8.07, and are linking with the /usr/lib/X11R4 and 
> /usr/lib/Motif1.1 libraries.

There was an optimization that was done, when calling XtAppAddActions
the action table is compiled in situ, overrighting the definitions
passed in.  The standard MIT code makes a copy of the action table and
compiles that.  If the same action table is used for multiple calls to
XtAppAddActions, then you see the problem described above.

For R5, the action table is copied before compiling, so the problem
doesn't occur.

WORKAROUND: rather than having a single action table passed to multiple
XtAppAddActions, have multiple copies (ugh.).

--Bill Turner (bturner@cv.hp.com)
HP User Interface Technology Division, Corvallis
From: murthy@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Murthy Nyayapati)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Printing quotas for DECs and HPs.
Date: 30 Sep 1992 02:29:02 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.9.13

Hi!!

Did anyone try to implement page quotas on  DEC 5000/350, HP 9000/835 or
HP 750 series for printing?  If the answer is yes, can you please let me 
know how you have implemented it.

I am in a University and there is a lot of misuse of paper and 
laserprinters, as our lab can be accessed 24 hours a day.

Implementing page quotas would solve the problem to a great extent, if
not completely.


Thanks in anticipation.


************************************************************************
Murthy Nyayapati
Systems Manager
College of Engineering & Applied Science
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
email : murthy@ee.uwm.edu
phone : (414) 229-5428
fax   : (414) 229-6958
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: alloca with HP7xx cc ????
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: comp.sys.hp
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:37:18 GMT

In article <MARTIN.92Sep27160342@vss.ics.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp> martin@ics.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Martin Buss) writes:
>
>I really have trouble setting up a useful environment on our HP710.
>
>I really do not understand, why HP does not support a more programmer
>friendly HPUX distribution with all the libraries and header files
>usually needed. I also miss very much a running yacc (well GNUs bison
>does the job) or lex (flex sometimes does not work properly)!

Did you buy the "ANSI C Developer's Kit", which includes a real C compiler,
header files, libraries, man pages for the system calls, etc. Our
systems have it, and we have yacc and lex, which must work most of the
time (at least) since I know I have installed packages that have used them.
-- 
What are the chances that any HP computer system will ever "work" properly?
... and Slim just left town. -*- Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: esc@netcom.com (Steve Etchelecu)
Subject: Looking for PCL to PostScript filter
Followup-To: comp.sys.hp
Keywords: PCL PostScript
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:24:24 GMT

I am looking for a PCL to PostScript filter.  Any information regarding 
this topic would be appreciated.  

I have an HP9000 with a PostScript printer and would like to be able to
print from HP's LaserROM product which seems to support only PCL printers.

Steve Etchelecu
esc@netcom.com
From: zabarnic@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu (Steve Zabarnick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HP9000/730 and TI microlaser printer
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:55:03 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Dayton Research Institute

I've just hooked up a TI microlaser turbo printer to an HP9000/730. The printer
does auto emulation switching between HP LaserJet emulation and Postscript.
I've used it successfully with PC and Macintoshes, but when printing Postscript
from the 730 the printer doesn't stay in Postscript mode.

As I understand it, the auto emulation switching works by detecting the
characters "%!", which puts the printer into Postscript mode. This is
apparently happening, as I can see the mode change after submitting a print
job. But the printer apparently gets confused and reverts back to LaserJet
emulation.

Anyone have some advice?

Steve Zabarnick
zabarnic@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu  OR
steve@snake.appl.wpafb.af.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Subject: Re: Rebuilding shared libraries (Was /etc/hosts and name servers...)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:08:06 GMT
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.2 PL6]

: cantin@nrccsb3.di.nrc.ca (Claude Cantin) writes:
: > How does one set up /etc/resolv.conf to check "/etc/hosts" BEFORE
: > checking the name server? [...] On the SUN's, we had to rebuild some
: > shared library.  How is it done on the HP's???
: 
: I've been able to rebuild the shared libc on a Sun to solve this problem.
: How can I rebuild a library on HPUX? Which parts of TFM should I R?

I'm not sure I know what you mean by "rebuild" the library.  The only way to
build a shared library is to link together the object files that comprise it
with "ld".  You cannot extract the object files from libc.sl (nor can you do so
on Sun).  Perhaps on the Sun you extracted the object files from the archive
libc?  Then I would be surprised if they were PIC, so the resultant library
would not in fact be shared (check by adding "-assert pure-text" when building
the library).  On HP-UX, they definitely are not pic, and the Series 700/800
does not support non-PIC dynamically loadable libraries.  They are supported on
the Series 300/400, but not recommended for libraries such as libc.  Besides,
they still require a special supplementary symbol table to be present in the
object files, and that table is not present in that archive libc.

In short, you cannot "rebuild" a shared library for which you do not have
either PIC object files, or sources, on either SunOS or HP-UX.  On Sun,
presumably either your library was not truly shared, or they included PIC
object files in the archive libc.

--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
From: neal@ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: AMD 5.3 and configuration files
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:05:50 GMT
Organization: COMSAT Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: neal.ctd.comsat.com
In-reply-to: philipp@morgane.enst.fr's message of 5 Oct 92 17:54:11 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: f7bb0461e23204010690d7fafc9cacf5

As an old Apollo user, I set my amd stuff up to imitate Apollo's
network file system (more or less).  First, you can get to anything on
any host using this map for /hosts:

---------------------------------------
/defaults	opts:=rw,grpid,suid,intr,soft,timeo:=20,retrans:=8

*	host!=${key};type:=host;fs:=${autodir}/${rhost};rhost:=${key} host==${key};type:=link;fs:=/
----------------------------------------

Next, we want /usr/local and /usr/man to be redundantly mounted for
high availability.  We make /usr/local -> /inport/local and /usr/man
-> /inport/man.  Then this map for /inport:

---------------------------------------
/defaults	opts:=rw,grpid,suid,intr,soft,timeo:=20,retrans:=8

man	-type:=host;fs:=${autodir}/${rhost};sublink:=usr/man \
		rhost:=flyhalf \
		rhost:=data

local	-type:=host;fs:=${autodir}/${rhost};sublink:=usr/local \
		rhost:=flyhalf \
		rhost:=data
----------------------------------------

There now.  That's easy!  Easy to maintain too.  You can see any host
in the internet that lets you mount as /hosts/xxxx.  And the redundant
mounts do work.  If one becomes unavailable amd will mount the other.
Even Apollo never had this feature!
From: scho@hpyanrgw.yan.yokogawa.co.jp (Shunichiro Cho)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: BSD Compatible Library
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:13:07 GMT
	<7371362@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>
Organization: Yokogawa Analytical Systems Inc., Tokyo Japan
In-reply-to: stroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM's message of 1 Oct 92 21:35:46 GMT

In article <7371362@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> stroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike Stroyan) writes:

   >The killpg function is in /usr/lib/libBSD.a, which is part of the
   >PROG-AUX fileset.  You should load that fileset.  The programming tools
   >are an optional product, so they may not have been ordered with that
   >workstation.

Masataka Isoya(iso@tky.hp.com) has sent me a same advice.
I understand I should buy a C-Development Environment.
Thank you very much.

Deshaw!christos@cmc12.nyu.edu and bt@irfu.se also advised
#define killpg(pgrp,sig)  kill(-(pgrp),(sig))
could solve the current problem.

Thank you again.

--
--
$@D9(J  $@=S0lO/(J        scho@yan.yokogawa.co.jp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: dbrooks@penge.osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: X11R5 xterm on HP-UX 8.xx
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:37:51

I sent this bugreport to MIT too...

note: I just got an HP700, and overcame a few problems to make X11R5
client-side (with shared libraries, yet) on it, then I realized this
newsgroup was likely to be helpful.  So, if any of this is old hat, please
be gentle with me.

xterm doesn't correctly tell its children about its initial size or any
resize; it gets stuck at 65 lines unless you type 'eval resize' which is a
pain.  There are actually two bugs, and is are probably more than one way
to skin this particular cat.

The following patch includes essentially the fix Kevin O'Connor made.


VERSION:
    R5, public-patch-17

[irrelevancies deleted]

DESCRIPTION:
    The shell running under xterm is unaware of any window sizes.  It
    doesn't set the size either on startup or on resize.  It should
    cooperate with the shell to put LINES and COLUMNS in the shell's
    environment, and pass the window changes to the shell's children.

RCS file: RCS/main.c,v
retrieving revision 1.200
rdiff  -r1.200 main.c
2c2
< static char *rid="$XConsortium: main.c,v 1.200 92/03/11 17:36:12 gildea Exp $";
---
> static char *rid="$Header: main.c,v 1.202.1.1 92/09/24 12:32:13 dbrooks Exp $";
175c175
< #ifdef apollo
---
> #if defined(apollo) && OSMAJORVERSION == 10 && OSMINORVERSION < 4
1058a1059,1062
> #ifdef hpux
> 		stderr->__fileH = (i >> 8);
> 		stderr->__fileL = i;
> #else
1059a1064
> #endif
2375d2379
< #ifndef TIOCSWINSZ		/* window size not stored in driver? */
2380d2383
< #endif /* TIOCSWINSZ */

RCS file: RCS/screen.c,v
retrieving revision 1.30
rdiff  -r1.30 screen.c
2c2
<  *	$XConsortium: screen.c,v 1.30 91/08/22 16:27:13 gildea Exp $
---
>  *	$Header: screen.c,v 1.30.1.1 92/09/24 12:38:18 dbrooks Exp $
36c36
< #ifdef SVR4
---
> #if defined(SVR4) || defined(hpux)
--
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
Four more months!  Four more months!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: vlad@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Vladimir Gershkovich)
Subject: cyrillic (russian) kit for HP710
Summary: need Rusian/Cyrillic kit for HP710
Keywords: cyrillic, russian, hp710, fonts
Organization: none
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:34:32 GMT

	Hi there!

		I'm trying to subscribe to the Russian news groups
		some of which are in Russian (surprise, surprise...).
		I've been told I need to get a 'Cyrillic kit' to read
		these articles in **RUSSIAN** on my hp710 running VUE/Motif/X.
		Is there such a 'beast' under X???

		Question: a. What is a Cyrillic kit?
				  b. Where I can get it?


		
	Thanks.
	Vlad.

----------------------------+
vlad@codex.com              |
vlad@codex.prds.cdx.mot.com |
----------------------------+

-- 
----------------------------+
vlad@codex.com              |
vlad@codex.prds.cdx.mot.com |
----------------------------+
From: schell@nomad.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Stephan Schell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: New HP 900/7xx ?
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:08:54 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of California at Davis

Does anyone have any info about new workstations that are
supposed to extend the 700 line beyond 705,710,720,730, and 750?
Performance, pricing, and availability would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Steve
--
------------------------------------------------------------------
Dr. Stephan V. Schell                   schell@eecs.ucdavis.edu
121 Electrical Engineering East
Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering
The Pennsylvania State University
University Park, PA 16802               (814) 863-8102
From: hans@es.ele.tue.nl (Hans Fleurkens)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Problem with loading fortran library libcl.sl
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:30:06 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: none


I've a problem, if I want to load dynamically a library fft.sl into a
C program. I use the following command to link the shared library:

ld -b -o fft.sl fft.o fft.for.a -lcl -lnlsstubs

fft.o is a compiled C file and fft.for.a are a few fortran object files.

Loading the library results in the following error/warning messages:

/lib/dld.sl: Unresolved symbol: RAND (code)  from /usr/lib/libcl.sl
/lib/dld.sl: Unresolved symbol: IRAND (code)  from /usr/lib/libcl.sl

I can not find these symbols in any other library. How can I prevent that
these messages are being printed, in other words, how can I locate these
symbols?

We're running HPUX 8.07 on a HP9000/750.

Any help will be appreciated. Thanx.

Hans Fleurkens
Eindhoven University of Technology
The Netherlands
e-mail: hans@es.ele.tue.nl

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: stevej@hpc.mentorg.com (Steve Jumonville)
Subject: Re: NetLS and HP/UX
Originator: stevej@hpc.mentorg.com
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 21:56:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


The NetLS licensing system, and NCS, both run on HP-UX 8.0 and later. Checkout
the files /etc/netlsrc and /etc/netncsrc.

BTW, there were some bugs in these scripts as initially distributed at 8.0, so if you have any trouble getting them started, you probably need to get the latest copy of these scripts from the HP Response Center or your local HP SE.
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                ON-SITE AT MENTOR GRAPHICS CORPORATION
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Steve Jumonville              INTERNET:       steve_jumonville@mentorg.com
 Hewlett-Packard Technical Consultant
 Mentor Graphics Corp.
 8005 SW Boeckman  Road        VOICE:          (503) 685-7746
 MS  E-1302                    VOICE-MAIL:     (503) 685-1316 (ext. 7746)
 Wilsonville, Oregon 97070     FAX:            (503) 685-7986
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: neal@ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: f2c-hp9000/7xx bin available
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:11:39 GMT
Organization: COMSAT Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: neal.ctd.comsat.com
X-Md4-Signature: 34d097ddf7cacef4b53c1719bbddf245

I have compiled the latest in f2c.  I modified the makefiles to
generate shared libs.

You can get this from flyhalf.ctd.comsat.com in /pub/f2c.hpux.tar.Z
From: jsweet@irvine.com (Jerry Sweet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: 730 + HPUX 8.x losing on /dev/ptr_parallel
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:30:33 GMT
Organization: Irvine Compiler Corp., Irvine, California, USA


With work-around.  But have a paper sack ready.  :-)

We have an HP 730 running HPUX 8.something.  We hooked up our HP
LaserJet IIIsi via the parallel port, 'cause the printer's serial port
seems to've gone south.  Well, lpsched doesn't know how to deal with
this, so it disables any printer using the parallel port if multiple
print jobs are queued.

Yeah, there SEEMS to be a work-around: tell lpadmin that your parallel
printer is using /dev/ptr_rs232_a or some other unused serial port,
even though you're using the parallel port.  Modify the beginnings of
the interface files to wait until they can open and close
/dev/ptr_parallel, then "exec 1>/dev/ptr_parallel".  Horrible,
horrible.  But it SEEMS to work.  Limited print runs seem to have no
problems, anyway.

But I long to hear of a cleaner solution.  No, not Windex.  :-)

Surely HPUX knows how to talk to an HP printer via the Centronics
parallel port in some REASONABLE way.
From: twotone@rio.engr.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: nettl error, followup
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:59:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct6.195943.18732
Followup-To: email, comp.sys.hp
Organization: Quinton Instruments, Seattle


I just observed an additional error that accompanied the one mentioned in the
previous article. Here it is:

Oct 06 11:47:37.67009: Network LAN Error 2005, pid [ICS]
   *** Unknown log event

Oct 06 11:47:37.67303: Network NFS Warning 3007, pid 341
   Send failed with error 6 (pcksnt=0, am=0x0).



Anthony King
twotone@ee.washington.edu
From: murthy@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Murthy Nyayapati)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Disk Partitioning on HP-750
Date: 2 Oct 1992 23:03:13 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.9.13

Hi!!

Can someone let us know how to partition disks on HP-750?  We couldn't
find any documentation.

Thanks in anticipation.


************************************************************************
Murthy Nyayapati
Systems Manager
College of Engineering & Applied Science
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
email : murthy@ee.uwm.edu
phone : (414) 229-5428
fax   : (414) 229-6958
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: law40003@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN YEW KEONG)
Subject: HP's new printers
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:19:18 GMT

I understand the HPLJ4 is nearing the end of the development cycle.
What does it do?

Is a new DeskJet coming out soon? What features would it have?

Are there any plans for HP to release a TrueImage or TrueVision
printer anytime soon?

Will there be postscript support in a DeskJet?

Thanks!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: jto@rieska.oulu.fi (Jarkko Oikarinen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HP9000/720 and audio/sound
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:58:00 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia

This may be a stupid question, but...

I have temporarily a HP9000/720 on my desk. Behind it is a socket
which says "Stereo". I assumed that it's there for sound, right?
Or is it there just to fool the fools?

How do I get something sensible out of it? I went to /usr/audio/bin
and tried Aserver, audio_demo and also the stuff in /usr/audio/examples.

They just said:
*** Exiting: exception caught by PFM system cleanup handler
*** communications failure (network computing system/RPC runtime)

If I try to cat something directly into /dev/audio or other
/dev/audio* -files, it says:
/dev/audio: No such device

Is there one or isn't there one, that's a question...

Operating system version is HP-UX 8.07

Thanx in advance...

--Jarkko
From: alech@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Alec Henderson)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:20:46 GMT
Subject: Re: FAQ and Interprocess communication mechanism in HP-UX
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

>I am doing a study on Operating system features, and don't know which HP-UX
>literature to refer to. I have found the following IPC mechanisms common
>to other UNIX  OS but NO SURE whether there are available on HP-UX:-
>
>Semaphores              Yes(implemented through the file system)
>pipes                   Yes
>signals                 Yes
>shared memory           Yes ???
>sockets                 Yes
>named pipes             Yes ???
>streams                 ???
>Remote procedure calls  Yes(used across networks)

A System-V-Release-4-compatible version of STREAMS will be available as
a separate (priced) product with HP-UX 9.0.  It will include a TLI
interface to user supplied STREAMS-based code which understands TPI, and
a DLPI interface to HP's 802.3/Ethernet and Token Ring network interface
cards.  It will NOT include a STREAMS-based implementation of TCP/IP.

More detailed information should be available in a month or so.

Regards,
Alec Henderson

Telephone: T/408-447-3965		Hewlett-Packard
FAX:       408-447-3660			Information Networks Division
E-mail:    alech@cup.hp.com	       	19420 Homestead Road MS 43L9
HPDesk:    Alec Henderson/HP6600/1B	Cupertino, CA  95014  (USA)
Xref: sparky comp.sys.hp:11056 comp.emacs:3223
From: seymour@milton.u.washington.edu (Richard Seymour)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.emacs
Subject: Re: Followup: <backspace> key and Emacs on HP's
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:24:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep29.192413.23933
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

i've sort of a backwards question: i often want to use vax/vms editors
 through a window created on a VUE system.
the Xterm window simulates a vt100, but how do i transmit a DEL character?

(which DEC uses as HP uses the Backspace... and the Backspace on a VMS system
 usually means go-to-beginning-of-line)

HP-UX v8.07 on a 9000/710

thanks...
--dicK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: tt@tarzan.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen)
Subject: Re: HP calculator (TThe X version)
Originator: tt@tarzan.math.jyu.fi
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:00:35 GMT

In article <BvGo0B.Guo@fc.hp.com> rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland) writes:

>Stan Brown (stan@dixie.com) wrote:

>> Is the HP calcualtor Xclient that comes with the (000's available in
>> source form anywhere?  I like it very much and miss it when not running on
>> the HP's.  I would like to compile it for our other machines.

>The source is apparently not even available to tweakers and porters inside
>HP.  The story, as I understand it, is:

> 1. The HP-UX executable is a GUI and a binary interpreter, executing actual
>    HP Series 10 (11C, 12C, 16C) raw handheld bits, and emulating calc
>    hardware.  The calculator division is not keen on publishing this
>    interpreter.  The actual calculation algorithms are just arbitrary data
>    structures.

If that is indeed the case, could someone please pass the word to
whoever maintains it that I for one would love to see HP15C emulation
added -- it should be practically free, the hardware is the same as in
11C/12C/16C, so all you'd need to do is dump the 15C firmware.

(Even more I'd love to see an HP41C emulator, but that would obviously
be much harder, for even though the CPU is basically the same, there
are differences and the GUI would need to be changed.  Oh, did I hear
someone mutter something about a 48SX emulator?  I must be daydreaming ...)

It's too bad they won't release the code, though.  I'd love to see it.
(And considering that the calculators in question have been obsoleted
years ago except 12C and new ones use quite different hardware, I see
no real reason to hoard it anymore ... oh well.)

And while at it, I find replacing the 11C/12C/16C logo with generic
SCI/FIN/PRO somewhat disrespectful (I was about to say blasphemous :-)
--
Tapani Tarvainen  (tt@math.jyu.fi, tarvaine@jyu.fi, tarvainen@finjyu.bitnet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp