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From: abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Summary: Get a map :-)
Date: 31 Dec 92 01:41:47 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <MALEK.92Dec30184852@mimosa.pi.titech.ac.jp> malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95) writes:
>
>Tamer>It is nice to know the Muslim Bretheren support the killing of an unarmed
>                                                                    ~~~~~~~~~~~
>Tamer>hostage without convicting him of any particular crime, *and* claim it is
>      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>You are completely lost if you think that when HAMAS capture a SOLDIER 
>and ask for the release of AN ELDERLY HANDICAPPED PRISONER for his exchange
>or would kill him, then if the demands are not met they will kill him
>and leave his weapons with him or what are you suggesting?
>The conviction was made when they declared Jihad on the occupier long
>time ago.
>

Let's take your second claim first (The conviction was made ...):
Declaring Jihad does *not* allow you to kill an unarmed prisoner.  The
death penalty in Islam Is given for specific reasons, and being a P.O.W.
is not one of them.

As for your first argument, I would like to know whether you are using
political or religious reasoning.  In the latter case, I would like to
see the Quran/Hadith that specifically justifies this kind of behavior.
In the former case, your logic would be equal justification for the
killing of civilian hostages if the kidnappers demands are not met.  
Remember that once an enemy soldier is captured and is disarmed, he
must be treated as a P.O.W.

>Tamer> Islamic!
>Tamer> Tamer Abdelgawad
>Tamer> P.S.  Happy holidays everyone :-)
>Do you think that those Palestinians on the Jabel ElZZOUHOR are
>included in your greetings.

And I suppose you don't eat because the Somalis are starving, and sleep
in the street because the homeless have no shelter...

Tamer Abdelgawad
From: naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: amt of time to pray
Date: 23 Dec 92 01:48:16 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I know that Islam calls for prayer 5 times a day, but what I haven't found
any of the books that I've read is approximately how long each session of
prayer lasts. Could someone please supply me the info?

Randy Finder

-- 
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From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Three troubling questions about Islam
Date: 20 Dec 92 14:58:10 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <1992Dec17.152905.8931@dsg.cs.tcd.ie>, ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash) writes:
> In <20142.2b2d0986@ul.ie> abbasa@ul.ie writes:
> 
>>In article <nabeel.723842856@oracle.sce.carleton.ca>, nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul) writes:
>>>    Omar chased them off Khaibar when they attacked A. ibn Omar when he was
>>> visiting some gardens there. Omar did that in _no_ violation with the
>>> Prophets covenant with the Jews when he took over Khaibar.
> 
>>It was Imam Ali who conquered Khaibar and Omar had little contribution
>>towards that.  Please set the historic record clear in your mind.
> 
>>regards,
> 
>>Asad.
> 
> Fanaticism is very bad, it makes one blind!!
>

This principle is only good to people if they practise it rather than
just reciting it.
 

  
> Note that chasing them off Khaibar is different than conquering Khaibar.
> 

My English has improved.  Tell me meaning of "Take over Khaibar" as well, 
will you? 


>> 
> Ahmed
> 
> -- 
> Ahmed I. El-Habbash, 
> Department of Computer Science, Trinity College,
> Dublin 2, Ireland.
> Tel: office: +353-1-7021524

Asad.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: NEW HOMELAND FOR THE PALESTINIANS
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:02:34 GMT

a.Faris@trl.oz.au  writes:
>carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
>| 
>| "Palestine is not only a part of our Arab homeland, but a basic part
>| of southern Syria."
>| 	President Hafez Assad of Syria
>| 	Radio Damascus, March 8, 1974
>
>Syria was divided and weakend to make room for the Zionist state
>that indeed occupies Southern Syria.

GOOD.  SO THE BLOODY PALESTINIANS ARE JUST SYRIAN.  LET'S SEND THEM TO
SYRIA, THEIR HOMELAND.

carasso, "and all this time I thought they were just Jordanians..."
From: jle@lear.bos.locus.com (John Elghani)
Subject: Re: Arabic movies by mail
Organization: LC
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:16:50 GMT

In article <essa.725084173@willow.cs.scarolina.edu> essa@cs.scarolina.edu (Ossama Ahmed Essa) writes:
>I am looking for someone who sells Arabic(Egyptian) on video tapes by mail.
>I remember reading an ad in Al-Ahram about a place in Atlanta that sells Arabic
>movies compatible with the American system (NTSC) by mail. If you know someone
>who does, please post or respond by e-mail. 
>
>Thanks a lot folks,

A place in Los Angeles called Appolo Market, in the city of Hawthorne.
Call information 1-310-555-1212 and ask for that name.

Or
1-714-555-1212  ask for Dar Ramzy in the city of Garden Grove.

>Ossama Essa

jle
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:6015 talk.politics.mideast:24316
From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: All Arabs are guilty
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:00:04 GMT
	<1992Dec27.043847.11391@nysernet.org>
	<1992Dec27.173957.4658@informix.com>
	<BzxrCA.DKF@newsflash.concordia.ca> <1hll0aINNjom@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
	<1992Dec28.153944.4573@nysernet.
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41

In article <1992Dec29.031017.16825@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
>   It's "Arabs want to kick Jews out, while Jews only want to live in
>   peace with their Arab neighbors."  And it is racist, but on the Arabs'
>   part.

I am not surprised.  Racists are usually good at recognizing the
racism of those that they hate, but rarely can they recognize their
own racism.

>   "I want to tell Carter and Begin that when the Arabs set off their
>   volcano, there will only be Arabs in this part of the world." --
>   Yassir Arafat, 1979
>
>   "We yet call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to
>   return to the ways of peace and play their part in the development of
>   the State, with full and equal citizenship and due representation in
>   all its bodies and institutions -- provisional or permanent." --
>   Israel's Declaration of Independence, 1948

It is interesting that neither of these statements has thus far panned
out.  The Arabs have not "set off their volcano".  And the Israelis
have not given "full and equal citizenship" to Israeli Arabs, much
less those in the Occupied Territories.

In any case you are comparing apples and oranges.  If you like, I will
post a peacable Arab statement and an expulsionist Israeli one for
comparison.  The fact of the matter is that, despite your racist
propaganda, not all Arabs are blood-thirsty murderers and not all
Israelis are accomodating pacifists.

--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: WHAT ARE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PALESTINIAN HOMELAND?
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:57:49 GMT


Ok.  Trying to be moderate and understand the full exent of palestian
demands, I'd like to know the following, with regards to how the
majority (or what percentage) of palestinians would answer the
following questions:

1) What are the boundaries of the palestinian homeland?  
2) Would they be willing to accept part of their homeland?
3) If they would accept part of their homeland, what would they
   want from the part they didn't get?  Visitation rights?
4) What percent of palestinians would be willing to be bought out?
   For example, if 70% of plaestinines were willing to accept $10,000
   to throw off all future claims to palestine, and the other 30% would 
   be given land in the west bank and allowed to form municipal (city)
   local governments?
5) Do you feel that jews have any claim or right to the land?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: All Arabs are guilty
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<EGGERTJ.92Dec29100004@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>
	<1992Dec29.154034.8162@cs.brown.edu>
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:12:24

In article <1992Dec29.154034.8162@cs.brown.edu> hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes:
>   In article <EGGERTJ.92Dec29100004@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>, eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>   |> If you like, I will
>   |> post a peacable Arab statement and an expulsionist Israeli one for
>   |> comparison.
>
>   Yes, I would like. Please post such a thing (with references as to who
>   said what).

There are several possible reasons for your request:
1.  You want to see more quotes on the net.
2.  You want to see more peacable Arab and/or expulsionist Israeli
quotes on the net.
3.  You don't believe that such quotes exist.
4.  You don't believe that such quotes can exist.

To demonstrate that words are cheap, I will satisfy your request by
providing a peacable quote from an Arab whom many people regard as a
terrorist, and an expulsionist quote from an Israeli whom many people
admire greatly.

Peacable Arab quote by Yasir Arafat (whom I consider for the most part
a very despicable character), as quoted by Jimmy Carter in his book
'The Blood of Abraham' (Houghton Mifflin, 1985):

  "The PLO has never advocated the annihilation of Israel.  The Zionists
  started the 'drive the Jews to the sea' slogan and attributed it to
  the PLO.  In 1969 we said we want to establish a democratic state
  where Jews, Christians, and Muslims can live all together.  The
  Zionists said they do not choose to live with any people other than
  Jews....  We said to the Zionist Jews, all right, if you do not want a
  secular, democratic state for all of us, then we will take another
  route.  In 1974 I said we are ready to establish our indebendent state
  in any part from which Israel will withdraw."

Expulsionist Israeli quote by David Ben-Gurion (whom I hold in
relatively high regard), as quoted by Marcia Kunstel and Joseph
Albright in their book 'Their promised land : Arab versus Jew in
history's cauldron : one valley in the Jerusalem hills' (Crown, 1990):

  [referring to Arabs civilians during the 1948 war]  "Expel them."

Pretty simple, and quite clear.
--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Hamas and Anti-Semitism
Date: 23 Dec 1992 15:32:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



Ron Evans (revans@math.ucsd.edu) writes:

>        The word "anti-Semite" connotes someone who is against
>        Jews, according to the dictionaries.
>        The fact that "Semite" appears in the word does not
>        affect the meaning.  (Note that "Jew's pitch" has the
>        word "Jew" in it, but it means "asphalt".)
>        Arabs can indeed be anti-Semitic, and a classic
>        example is Hamas.  The blatant anti-Semitism of Hamas
>        is yet further indication of how far Hamas has strayed
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>        from the good principles of Islam.
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I would like you to tell me what these good prinicples of Islam
that Hamas has strayed from are.

Maybe Jews know Islam better than Hamas.
-- 
                  ___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu _____________
                 (______   _  |   _  |_
_____ H A M Z A ________) |-| |_ |-| | |
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 13:12:00 IST
From: Shaul Wallach <F66204@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: SYRIAN LUNATICS
 <1992Dec29.202934.400@trl.oz.au>

In article <1992Dec29.202934.400@trl.oz.au>, faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz
Faris) writes:

>In article <1992Dec28.175146.24675@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,                 G
>carasso@Turing.OR
>(Roger Carasso) writes:
>|>
>|> "Palestine is not only a part of our Arab homeland, but a basic part
>|> of southern Syria."
>|>
>|>      President Hafez Addad of Syria
>|>      Radio Damascus, March 8, 1974
>|>
>|> ...
>|>
>
>Firstly, it is President Hafez Assad.
>Secondly, he is abosolutely correct.
>Thirdly, Syria was divided and weakend to make room for the Zionist state
>that indeed occupies Southern Syria.

     Historically, Aziz is indeed correct. However, Assad has
demonstrated at times a more pragmatic and realistic attitude
towards Israel than the above quote. For example, here is what
he told the American journalist Thomas Kiernan in the same year,
as reported in the latter's book "The Arabs" (1975), on pp. 303-4:

   "I will admit that there is a mood in the Arab world to make some
   sort of settlement with Israel, to allow Israel to exist within
   certain frontiers. There is a great struggle taking place between
   the heart and the mind. In our hearts we say: 'No Israel, not on
   any terms.' In our minds we say: 'We must turn to other things,
   so let us give Israel a chance to withdraw to its original frontiers,
   let us give it a chance to prove it will no longer try to expand.'
   It is a very difficult problem."

In addition, Syria's recent decision to let its Jews leave the
country serves as tangible evidence of a possible change in
policy. Let us hope and pray that the momentum not be lost
over the issue of the Hamas activists.

>A.Faris

Shalom,

Shaul Wallach
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:6127 talk.bizarre:43260
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Date: 31 Dec 1992 22:53:48 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

In article <1hta0qINN43i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
>Shut up you son of pigs and monkeys...
>Can't you find some article to reply to it?

First Cat Stevens, and now BIFF.

				--Blair
				  "I'm sure it's only a matter
				   of time before--praise Allah!"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: afadel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ayman Fadel)
Subject: Blessings bestowed upon Ibrahim alayhi ssalaam (Was Re:  The Question of Culture)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 00:54:55 GMT

salaam

what i understand from As-salaa Al-ibrahiimiyya (allahumma Salli ala 
sayyidina muhammad ...) is that we ask Allah to bless Muhammad Salla
Allahu alayhi wa sallam) and his household (descendants also??) like
He blessed Sayyidana Ibraahiim Alayhi SSalaam by making him a great
nabiy and making his two sons great nabiy and even his grandchild
Ya'quub alayhi ssalaam.   In addition, there were many messengers and
pious people among his descendants.  So that is what we ask for
Muhammad salla allahu alyhi wa sallam and his 'aal.

I don't know about the origin of the As-Salaa Al-ibrahiimiyya, but
there is a hadith in RiyaaD Us-SaaliHiin by An-Nawawi in which
a companion asks An-Nabiy Salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam how he
should ask Allah to bless him, and he told him to say this
du'aa.

I'd be interested to learn more in anybody could share somthing
about this.

wallahu a~lam

BTW, i do not think that this du'aa
has any nationalistic connotations.

salaam
ayman
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: The vanquished always want to imitate the victor (Ibn Khaldun)
Date: 23 Dec 92 10:16:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <AABIYABA.92Dec23094314@cronos.edag.ptdg.sharp.co.jp> aabiyaba@edag.ptdg.sharp.co.jp writes:

> The sequence at the end of the prayer consists of two parts:
> <attahiyyat> (salutations to Allah, greeting of peace to the Prophet, 
> 		invocations of blessings upon ourselves and other believers, 
> 		and an affirmation of the Islamic creed).
> <salam>	     (invocations of Allah's [i] blessings and [ii] bounty
> 		"upon our leader Mohammed and his family just as"
> 		 Allah had done with Abraham and his family).

Thank you very much. The little embellishments I put it were
intended for effect. What some people find difficult to realize
is that some of the simplest things that they take for
granted to be self-evidently true or assumed to be true without
even a second thought wind up having serious repercussions.

It might seem perfectly correct, right and fitting for people
repeat the phrase without even a second thought for some people.
For many others (who don't know Arabic) in means nothing just
empty babble.

The implications if taken seriously without any prejudice whatsoever
(especially of the Jewish-Christian-Islamic kind), as if someone
arrived from Mars and had no idea what was going on, then things
change. 

People are posting about radical solutions, examinations of
problems in depth, putting forward supposedly serious solutions
to serious problems, and some of them haven't thought about
anything for longer than a few minutes a day. That's how it
looks to me.

I'll drop the rest of this.

My apologies to the innocent bystanders.

There is one little piece of info that might be of use to
the would-be-saviours.

There was an article written by Zbigniew Brzezinski entitled
something like "The Arc of Crisis", published in Commentary
magazine, sometime around the 1970's.  To those who are
constantly posting accusing the persons of democratic
persuasion of being willing tools and stooges of the west
should put this article at the top of their reading lists.

I could post a brief abstract but it would spoil all the
fun of the readers. Good luck. After reading the article
they might reflect on the events starting a little 
before Iranian revolution and continuing.....

If the article doesn't open their eyes, the for sure Allah
has chosen to lead them astray and no one can aright them.

Peace..
-- 

	mark	

   hubey@amiga.montclair.edu         hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
   hubey@pilot.njin.net               ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey
From: oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: The vanquished always want to imitate the victor (Ibn Khaldun)
Date: 26 Dec 92 16:24:52 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France

In article <Bzsw2x.M65@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>>
>>
>>And after that, please read Ibn Khaldun above.
>>
>>And explain to  us how North Africa and Egypt became Arabized.
>
>i don't know what ibn khaldun said, but the history that i have read (not
>the biased, eurocentric twisting of facts to fit the image that the european
>is the civilized while the rest of the world has, was and will always be 
>barabaric)
 I suggest (seriously) that you consider your sources and their credibility.
BTW, would you please tell me where did you read ?, was it in an article by
Dr Siddiqui ?.
>said that the people of north africa were staunch monotheistic
>(unitarian) christian who were expecting a prophet from arabia. they were
>also being cruelly persecuted by the overlords of the areas, the romans, who
>by that time were trinitarian christians. amr-ibn-al-aas came with his army
>to rid the tyranny of roman rule, and the people excepted islam because
>the prophecy of the prophet to come had been fulilled (muhammad was by
>that time dead). the invaders definitely treated the natives better than
>the romans did. so the people excepted the culture of the
>arabs as well, also north africa was very sparsely populated so it was
>easy for the muslims to populate the land. 

 FYI, the Egyptian Christians (the COPTS), were also trinitarian. Their
conflict with the Byzantines was due to another problem completely independant
of the trinity. They were accused of following the Otecha heresy which said
that the divine nature of the Christ (Jesus) had destroyed the human nature.
So from the Islamic point of view, they were more "lost" than the Nastorians
who believed in the opposit.
The Copts of Egypt and the Syriacs of Syria along with the Ethiopian and the
Armeinain Church formed a block against the Byzantine church (or the Melkites).


 Sorry to blacken the pages with our "disbelief", but i've got really tiered of
people speculating about our faith, telling nonsens and then claim that it's
not "twisting of facts".
-- 
Sham(u) ya tha (s)seif(u) lam yaghib(i) | Ibaa Oueichek. oueichek@imag.imag.fr
    Ya jamal(al) majd(i) fi(l) kutub(i) | IMAG, INPG.
Kablak(i) (t)tareekh(u) fi thulmaten    | Grenoble. 
    Baadak(i) staula ala (sh)shuhub(i)  |
From: z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Import/Export Research
Date: 28 Dec 92 03:35:36 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Hello all,

	We are doing research on various items that international countries
would be intrested in exporting and importing.  The items can consist of
anything from clothing to large machines.  Of course, they must be a legal
product to enter and exit the diffrent countries.  These are some questions 
that we are trying to find the answers to:
 
1.) How would we gather information concerning the legal regulations on
	shipping to your country? 

2.) Who would an individual contact in your country about shipping
	requirements?  

3.) What kind of licences or paper work does a company need to enter
	a foreign market place?


I really would appreciate any help concerning this matter.  Thank you very
much for your time and hope to hear from you soon.




Sincerly,



Ronald L. Ables


z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
	or
sfa1@jetson.uh.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky)
Subject: Re: All Arabs are guilty
Organization: Somewhere East or Somewhere West
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:40:34 GMT

In article <EGGERTJ.92Dec29100004@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>, eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec29.031017.16825@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
|> >   "I want to tell Carter and Begin that when the Arabs set off their
|> >   volcano, there will only be Arabs in this part of the world." --
|> >   Yassir Arafat, 1979

|> >   "We yet call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to
|> >   return to the ways of peace and play their part in the development of
|> >   the State, with full and equal citizenship and due representation in
|> >   all its bodies and institutions -- provisional or permanent." --
|> >   Israel's Declaration of Independence, 1948

|> If you like, I will
|> post a peacable Arab statement and an expulsionist Israeli one for
|> comparison.

Yes, I would like. Please post such a thing (with references as to who
said what).

|> =Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)

Harry.