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Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
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From: thomat@vccsouth17.its.rpi.edu (Todd Michael Thomas)
Subject: VR tech/ use in firm or school
Keywords: VR
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:24:23 GMT

This is in response (partially) to the two VR posts presently on alt.arch...

Here at good ole RPI (Rensselaer Poly. Inst.) we have had the pleasure and
good fortune to use some VR technology.  Our proffesor of our CAD department
(yes we have CAD and we do use it for DESIGN, as well as PRESENTATION) is
very intersted in VR and its applications in/to Architecture, as well as 
being farily conversant in the technology invloved.  We have fairly powerful
machines (from 386, and 486 to RS6000 and Mac FX) and he managed to get a
company specializing in low cost, user friendly, available to small firm and
school type VR equipment to come and demo.  In the extended demo we got some
classes actually got to design in VR (in combonation with Auto Cad) and 
present this to the school, as well as the whole school of architecture  got
to tour some VR models to see how it works (VR) and how the experience is.
We are also trying to aquire such equipment on a permanent basis.

The basic set-up consisted of stereo goggles and a hand position sensor
which would control pitch, roll, altitude, and speed, and compass direction.
The equipment can run on 386 (very slow though) but can run relatively well on
a 486, which is very affordable for a small firm and or school.  On a 486 the
model can be moderately detailed and sized and run at a reasonable frame
rate to simulate real time movement.  This is enough to design with and give
a student or your client a very good idea of the space(s) being created at a 
scale relative to your experience ( it is very hard to imagine yourself in most
1/8th "  scratch models!). The larger the machine, the faster the frame rate
and the more detailed the image and the larger the model can be.  The
equipment is not hand fabricated, it consists of off the shelf technology and
parts.  Advances in the VR field will surely improve the tech and equipment
but there does exist VR equipment usable at the small level today.

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   run in circles,                   =       i'm doing this when i should
   scream and shout"  -RAH           =       be doing something else!
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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Yucky portable signs (was Re: Why is green so popular?)
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:37:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct06.165317.20545@bnr.ca> Todd Sandrock <@bnr.ca> writes:

: 3) On the subject about pet peeves, how about those tacky signs with the
: plastic lettering and flashy lights or neon arrows. You know, the ones
: which have wheels so you can tow them from one strip mall parking lot to
: the other. Just for a kick, try counting them on a bus trip from downtown
: to the university, or any strip, anywhere suburban. I think I stopped at
: 80 on Pembina highway.

Ouch, you hit a raw nerve there.  

I've noticed that many Canadian cities have fewer billboards than their  
American counterparts, but portable signs seem to be _everywhere_ in the Great  
White North (TM).  Most communities in the United States are either banning  
portable signs or severly limiting their use, but those that don't generally  
have an "anything goes" Chamber of Commerce mentality or they just don't care.

Las Cruces adopted a new sign ordinance a few years ago, which I was asked to  
administer.  On the first day of the new ordinance, I sent out roughly 70  
violation letters to portable sign owners, telling them to either get rid of  
their illegal signs or face hefty fines.  Portable signs are allowed here, but  
only on a temporary basis (40 days/year) or in lieu of a permanent freestanding  
sign (1 freestanding sign/property) if they are made somewhat permanent (no  
wheels, fastened securely to the ground, arrow removed, etc.).  Like other  
signs, they cannot blink, flash or change colors.  We still have problems,  
though, because nearby communities like El Paso and Alamogordo are trying to  
emulate Las Vegas' urban design.  People just assume that because portable  
signs are everywhere in El Paso (including median strips and residential  
neighborhoods!), they are allowed here.

--
   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
   "I think that I shall never see a billboard lovely as a tree
    Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
                                                                Ogden Nash
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From: hnb5164@tamuts.tamu.edu (Heather Noel Bobbie)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:35:47 GMT

weird.  what was that survey doing there?
surreal.  i have been staying up far too much...

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From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:59:12 GMT
Subject: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.architecture

              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

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From: mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Gordon McGonigal)
Subject: Re: Immersive Environments (VR) and Design
Organization: Dept. of Elect. & Comp. Engineering, U of Manitoba
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:13:15 GMT

I note there is an upcoming  VR conference in Seattle.  The title is
Virtual Reality Annual International Symposium, or VRAIS!   I imagine
people who know at least a bit of french should be chuckling over that
name.  (I did anyways).  :-)
--
                                   * * *
Gord McGonigal                                  mcgonig@eeserv.ee.UManitoba.ca
Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, CANADA (R3T 2N2)       phone: (204) 474-6295
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 12:14:52 MST
From: Frank Whetten <AGFLW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject:    Wanted: Information on design or visualization software

As a non-architect who is thinking about building a passive/active
solar house in the near future, I have some questions for you
experts in net-land.

Reading a few of the recent posts, I see that VR is making inroads
(slowly), and that autocad is used here and there.  I am more
interested in the dynamics of house performance with respect to
heating, cooling, and solar gain.


Is anyone aware of public domain software (for unix workstations
preferrably) that can compute things like heat-transfer problems for
applications in determining effectiveness of solar designs?   I'm
thinking of something that involves construction of a (comprehensive,
thus complicated) geometry file that the program would then read to
base its computations on.

I'm not sure that I'm ready to tackle VR, I would also be interested
in PD programs that allow visualization of the finished design (out-
side views, inside views, whatever).  My experience with autocad is
limited to wireframe models.  Is there something better?

Please send replies directly to me.  If sufficient interest exists,
I will summarize for the net.  Much thanks.

--Frank

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From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Subject: Re: Immersive Environments (VR) and Design
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:24:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.181922.6201@ncsu.edu> rwzobel@unity.ncsu.edu (Rick Zobel) writes:
>I am doing my thesis in part on the use of Computer Generated
>Immersive Environments (CGIE) (formally Virtual Reality, which,
>as a term will hopefully soon die and go away, leaving the
>underlying concepts free to do what ever they may :) as a
>means for representing the experience of approach, entry and 
>arrival to an architectural space. 
>
>In talking to many people over the course of the past three
>years, I have found very few people who are interested in
>CGIE's as a potential medium for architectural design. I
>know of several places using architecture as a medium through
>which the virtual worlds technology hardware can be tested,
>but not enough to be counted on one hand who are doing
>work with architecture and using the hardware as the medium.
>
I don't think that architects are not intrested in this topic, on the contrary.
However, the high cost of the systems involved makes it difficult for the
designers to use this technology especially when it is being developed and
refined as it is happening now.
You have to remember that most of the architectural firms are small 
establishments with limited financial capabilities. 
The inability of these firms to spend a lot on expensive technology was one of
the reasons that prevented architects of being involved with CAD earlier.
Only when the prices have fallen, these firms were able to afford modest
systems.

In architecture schools, the case is even worse. There are not many
schools where even drafting systems are availbale never mind the powerful
systems required for virtual reality applications.

>Is there anyone out there who is doing this type of research,
>or has a contact with someone who is doing this?
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Rick Zobel
>NCSU School of Design
>Architecture Department
>


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Followup-To: knucklehead
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:35:30 GMT


post some trendy architectural 'posty tosty' photos for critique
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From: paranand@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (muralidhar paranandi)
Subject: CAAD ain't no CAD (Was Talk to me)
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:46:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.034843.22709@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> acampane@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Angelo Campanella) writes:
>MY HUMBLE EXPERIENCE IN THE AREA OF DESIGN RELATES MAINLY TO NOVEL 
>EXPERIEMENTAL APPARATUS AND MECHANICAL SYSTEMS.
>

One must understand, there is a vast difference between Mechanical Design and 
architectural deisgn and Mechanical CAD systems and Architectural CAD systems.

>IT IS MY EXPERIENCE THAT WHILE YOU ARE IN THE BASIC CREATIVE PROCESS; WHILE THE
>SHAPE AND FORM OR FUNCTION IS CHANGING OR PLASTIC, IT IS BEST TO STAY IN THE
>SKETCHPAD MODE; LIKELY FREEHAND...
>

I know lot of people agree with you, but still.. if you are an architect 
exploring new forms, new possiblities, and most of all new theories (like
Peter Eisenman) there are certain forms, shapes, organizations, patterns that
can not be derived with out using Computers.  One such example would be 
"Fractals" (see Published paper by Dr. Chirs Yessios on Peter Eisenman's
Factal Studio done at Ohio State Graduate School of Architecture, 1987 I think)
This may not necesarily imply that CAAD is good for Deconstructivist 
Architecture.... I can also see how some of Aalto's buildings incorporating 
3 dimensioal perspective Grid can be done using CAAD systems. (Example: Riola
Church, Aalto Museum, Schildt' House.. to  desing these buildings.. either
you need the genius of Aalto or you can use a CAAD system to help you do it.)

Often times, I have heard from Archtecture students that they choose simpler
forms in their designs becuase it easier to draw and build models.. (with a 
specific example of a Dome).  Don't you agree CAAD tools make these things 
trivial to imagine and Construct.  Please don't think of AutoCAD when I refer
to CAAD.  I would agree with you things like AutoCAD have their roots in 
Mechanical or whaterver design and are written by people who do not undersatnd
Architectural Design Process or its implications have place in
the later stages.. like documentation and etc. routine things.  When we talk
about CAAD, here we are talking about systems which are developed by Architects
for Architects.  Shape Grammar Applications would be another example for a 
CAAD system.  

There is lot of research being done at places like The Ohio State University,
Cornegie Melon, Harvard, UCLA etc. in this regard.  We are begining to see
such products like Form*Z even in the commercial market which should convince
people like you that "CAAD" systems do have a place at an early stage of design
and that they do contribute to new ideas, theories, and new forms.

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From: acampane@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Angelo Campanella)
Subject: Re: The need for better signage and building numbering.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 04:01:40 GMT

MY pet peeve is the lack of signs where you critically need them.

Why is it that when you are looking for the rest room in a strange building 
that you have to ask someone that works there where to find it???

I think that practicing architects derive a sadistic glee with this sure-fire 
"GOTCHA!".  Time and time again, when I fianll discovery the proper door; there
I find in neat and clear (and not very large) letteres "MEN"... As if to say 
"Congratualations, you FOUND it!"

I think that more directive signs are needed.   Same goes for parking ramps, 
and OH, yes, STREET NUMBERS on buidings on boulevards.  The numbers on
buildings, in the US anyway, are small and usually inconspicuous, again as if 
to say that anyone that needs to see them already know where the building is, 
which is the opposite of reality.  The truth is that as streets widen and more
that setback distance increases,(and the more dense or swift the traffic 
becomes), the greater the size and visibility of the street number signs must 
be for the same probability of detection by a searching motorist.  I say that 
not every building must be so adorned; just ONE in TEN shall be CLEARLY marked
with its appropriate street number.
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From: mazzucch@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (massimo mazzucchi)
Subject: urbanistic
Keywords: urbanistic
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:57:59 GMT


HY

I am Max froma ITALY Milan

I want know if someone know if exist a programm like
PC-GLOBE or PC-USA about a part of town or a quarter
with information about population and othr info.

- if someone know that programm graphic it was used to
  realize PC-GLOBE or PC-USA


  Thanks for your help

  BYE


  My address is mazzucch@ghost.dsi.unimi.it 

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From: changl@ecf.toronto.edu (CHANG LI)
Subject: Digitizer in autoCad
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:09:59 GMT

Hi,

I am going to be a new user of autoCAD.
I intend on using the TABLET MENU with a digitizer and a puck.
I have a few questions maybe you could help me.


1) Does the TABLET MENU come with the autoCAD softwear?
   So if I have a digitizer then I can use the TABLET MENU?  True/False?

2) There is such a thing as a template, is it simply a piece of paper
   that I can color photocopy?

3) I have asked around in the computer stores around Spadina and College.
   The prices are $475 for a large digitizer with puck, no template
		  $450 Summasketch II plus 12x12 digitizer, no template
		       with puck
		  $239 9x6 inch digitizer with template.

   How do these prices sound?


All comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated.
I intend on using autoCad to do mechanical drawings.

Is there a 1-800 number I could call about autoCad?  Customer service?

Thank you.



      Li Chang   Comp Eng 9T4                     ____
  First Class of Computer Engineering            /_|__\--,
     @ the University of Toronto           []Oo. `0-----0'

     changl@ecf.toronto.edu
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      Li Chang   Comp Eng 9T4                     ____
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From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Subject: Re: Talk to me
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:39:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.210435.29135@athena.mit.edu> equitus@athena.mit.edu (Joseph M Knight) writes:
>
>I've just completed my thesis research/project for a second professional
>degree in architecture, dealing in large part with CAD for design purposes.
>I guess I'll share a little of what I discovered, though going into much
>detail will be difficult.
>
>CAD has made great progress in the Production of architectural documents: ie
>working drawings, specs, and presentations.  Computers are a great tool
>for communitcation (witness the 'net).  However, CAD as a tool to enhance
>"design activity" is woefully inadequate.  Progress is being made, though
>slowly, and after some false starts.  The biggest problem it seems is the
>inability to properly articulated exactly what it is we are doing when we
>are designing - therefore how can we expect a stupid machine to be able
>to anticipate and abet this activity?  (very pithy.  sorrry)  
>
True, computers have a lot to offer in drafting, specifications, visualization
...etc but they are less effective during the design itself.
I think however that the new systems which allow you to scan through large 
amount of images quickly, edit them, carry out some sort composition between
rough sketches and existing photos, transformations ..can be very inspiring for
the designer. This is needed to get the brain plunged into a creative process.

What you have said about articulating what we are doing while we are designing
is true too and this problem has been an issue for a long time in design.
It is about the black box VS the transparent box, isn't it. 
One of the active topic of research in CAAD is the area concerning the 
architectural thinking and how it can be formulized if it's at all possible!
If this effort succeeds, I think the computer can be truly helpful for design.

>For more informtion, read stuff by Bill Mitchell, John Habraken, Donald
>Schon (at MIT) and look into a periodical called "Design REsearch" (or 
>could wait until my thesis hits the shelves here in another 9 months:-)
>
Well we have many things in common here, I'm an architect too, completed my
second degree in CAAD and I'm now working on the third. Hopefully, my thesis
will be ready in about the same time as yours (on different topic though),
be on the lookout for it, once you've finished yours :-).

>
>....all IMHO, thank you.
>
>Joseph Knight  SMArchS '92

I. Ballouz

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From: mazzucch@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (massimo mazzucchi)
Subject: URBANIZATION
Keywords: urbanization
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:14:16 GMT

 HI 

 i am MAx from Italy

 - I want know if exist a graphic-programm like PC-USA or PC-GLOBE
 that it deal of a part of town or a quarter of town with
 information about population, and any other information

- if someone know by that programm it was done PC-GLOBE or PC-USA

 thanks for your help

 My address is mazzucch.@ghost.dsi.unimi.it


 BYe
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 7 Oct 1992 09:25:10 CDT
From: ---  BORYS  --- <U52539@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Virgins vs Women
 <2AD1AEF1.4E66@deneva.sdd.trw.com>

In article <2AD1AEF1.4E66@deneva.sdd.trw.com>, shrdlu@willow.sdd.trw.com (Lynda
L. True) says:
>
>In article <92279.172540U18588@uicvm.uic.edu> ---  BORYS  ---
><U18588@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>      An interesting tidbit...
>>
>>       To the primitive Man,  a female was considered a virgin until
>>she actually gave birth.  It did not matter how often or how early on she
>>had sexual intercourse.   This way of thinking that a woman becames
>>a "woman" is the effect of Judeo-Christian values and morals trying to
>>curb sexual 'promiscuity'
>
>Excuse me? And which primitive man was that? Were you there? Show us
                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

             "primitive man" as thought of by mythologists  and what
diffence should there be if I or you were not there?  Shall we end all
discussions about things we did not personally experience?  These
conclusions are deductions arrived at through reconstructing and analyzing
remnants of folklore.

>references, bud. Jeeze, don't make remarks like this without something
>to back them up. We can suspect that primitive man may not have made
>the connection between intercourse and childbirth, but we don't know.
>What primitive man thought is not written down, not anywhere, not by
>anyone. That's why we call them primitive. They had no past or future
>beyond tales around the campfire (if that).
>
>You vasn't dere, charlie (as my mother would say).
>--
>George Bush, the environmentalist: 1000 points of blight.
>
>shrdlu@rowan.sdd.trw.com (Lynda L. True)
>Work Phone - (310) 812-1660 or (310) 812-1570
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