From: dpage@ra.csc.ti.com (Doug Page)
Subject: Re: A few quotes from a few years ago
Organization: Texas Instruments
Distribution: usa, na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:56:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.221943.8137@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
|> [A whole bunch pro-christian quotes deleted]
|> 
|> All of these quotes seem to come from mid 1600's to mid 1700's.
|> During that time they believed in bleeding, the four humours,
|> tomatoes were thought to be poisonous, flies spontaneously
|> generated from dead meat, transmutation of metals, and 
|> that black people were inferior to white people.
|> 
|> They also beleived in ghosts, ghouls, goblins, God, and Jesus.
|> 
|> Well,  we haven't gotten rid of all of the old fashioned
|> baggage yet,   but we are working on it. Maybe by 2200 Jesus 
|> and Jehovah will finally be properly relegated to the same 
|> scrap heaps as Set, Quezicoatl, and Odin.
|> 
|> It's time to bring mankind out of the superstitious
|> reliance on witch doctors and priests.
|> 
|> Booga booga - amen.

I actually included quotes from the 1600s through the early part of this
century in order to show that there has been a significant thread of Christian
throughout US history which had been denied by posts regarding  several
different posts.

Thank you for reinforcing my point with your post.  You very make a very
good point as to why we should not look to science to show us right from
wrong.  Often times those thought of as "learned" men and women of science are
actually quite ignorant of the way the world actually works.  The beliefs in
bleeding (which some "learned" experts are reintroducing today), the four
humours, poisonous tomatoes, transmutation of metals (strange, nuclear
scientists seem to think that give enough energy you can "transmute"
elements), and the genetic "inferiority" of black people all come from
"science" driven by the "scientists'" world view.  None of these concepts
comes from the Bible but, rather, "science.  It is true that there were those
who claimed that the Bible taught the "superiority" of the "white" people,
but it actually does not.  Indeed, one of the first Christians who is
discussed in the book of Acts was an Ethiopian who is described as a model of
faith.  Only a generation ago Webster's Dictionary defined science simply as
"the search for truth".  Today Webster has a more acurate definition of
science: "The observation, identification, description, experimental
investigation, and theoretical explanation of natural phenomena."  You will
note that this definition of science doesn't require the result to be the
truth.  Indeed, many of the charges and counter charges of this year's
political campaign could easily fall within this definition.

If those that I quoted are correct (and I believe that history will bare them
out), then the US will self-destruct prior to the year 2200 unless it returns
to the fundamental principles on which it is founded.  Whether it simply fades
away or goes in a bang doesn't matter, it will be gone.  The Constitution was
written specifically to prevent the instability of relativism by stating
clearly the rights of the federal government, states, and individuals.  The
Supreme Court introduced the Constitutional right to privacy in its
decision in Roe V. Wade though it is only implied in the Constitution.  It is
interesting that "abortion rights" are partially built on the individuals'
Constitutional right to privacy, but at the same time we have the government
and many companies requiring employees to take mandatory drug tests.  Tests
which may also be used to screen employees for possible layoffs by analyzing
their urine for possible health risks which might drive up the companies'
insurance costs.  What is considered a "right" by the courts in one case is
not considered a "right" in something which fits the judges' world view.  As it
has been said "if you're going to shoot in the dark, why aim".

The human species by its very nature seeks after "witch doctors" and "priests"
(IMHO).  Just look at the number of college students who seek after the
"teachings" of the great video-priests Leno, Hall, and Letterman.  Just look
at the number of people seeking after the assistance of "celebrity witch
doctors" via the 900 numbers advertized daily on cable TV.  Just look at the
so-called atheist or agnostic scientists (such as Sagan) who worship the great
Hawkin even as Hawkin himself sees the flaws in his old views of the universe,
destroying them with newer theories.

You are certainly free to believe and say what you want.  It is what I believe
is your fundamental right.

The nice thing about the Truth is that it survives while the lies do not.

FWIW,
dp
		"Where there is no vision, the people perish."

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