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From: cbc1@Ra.MsState.Edu (christopher b carey)
Subject: Re: Islam/Christianity
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:42:29 GMT

carl.camurca@wugate.wustl.edu!travel (Carl Camurca) writes:

[stuff deleted to get to the question.]

>Replace Islam with Christianity in the above and adjust the settings,
>voila, you have exactly a sermon by a christian preacherman!
>But, what has mankind done with the two religions? What happened? Why
>is there no paradise on earth (don't know the islamic equivalent)? WHAT
>are these two religions (not to mention all other) doing to fix this
>problem? Why must both of them claim to be The Only Holy Truth(tm)?

Well first of all, this should probably be moved to one of the other 
groups to let them talk it to death.

I think the big problem with the religions is that they involve imperfect
men and women.  I'm not sure about Islam, but the Christian standpoint is
that we are all sinners.  No exceptions made.  This allows us to screw up.
To cause racial tension among each other, and not work to fix the tension.
The big problem as I see it is that people don't follow their faith
the way they should.  I certainly haven't.  If people who say they are
Christians actually lived their lives they way that Christ did, I think
there would be a lot fewer problems between Christians and non.

Both religions say they are the one and only because that is what they
truly believe.  I would tell the person who posted the Islam answer that
he is following an incorrect belief, and if he wants to get to heaven he
should follow the religion taught in the Bible.  I would even argue
with him about it, but I would NOT physically harm him to get him to 
convert.  I gathered from his previous posts, that he would also not harm
me.  If more people followed this type of discussion, I think it would 
help.  

Then there are the people who claim to be Christian and Islamic who 
would do physical harm to people.  These people are the ones who have 
caused a good deal of the trouble.

> * OLX 2.1 TD * Thank god, I'm atheist
>            
Glad to see you have a sense of humor, but I of course think that you are
wrong in your beliefs.

Chris
--
Got those wishing I was out of school so I could see my girl on
a regular basis blues.
From: tato@quads.uchicago.edu (Hector Ruben Cordero-Guzman)
Subject: Re: Racist Car Dealers (was Re: Good Quote)
Reply-To: tato@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:14:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.000815.5045@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.033945.6745@news2.cis.umn.edu>  
>mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:
>> In article <1992Jul21.193830.12494@seq.uncwil.edu>  
>frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>> 
>> $How about it? Who did it happen to? My mother WORKS for GMAC. Caught
>> $your tired ass on this one.
>> 
>> No you didn't you silly bastard.  So mothafuckin what if your mammy  
>works
>> for GMAC!  That pithy statement means nothing.  Obviously your overtly  
>liberal
>> ass hasn't been watching TV lately.  Remember that Prime Time special  
>where
>> they compared the ethics of a car dealer with a black customer and with  
>a white
>> customer?  The white customer was quoted a substantially lower price on  
>a 
>> car than was the black customer.
>> 
>     Malcolm's right. I saw this special too. It started a real debate  
>between my housemates and me on how to solve this particular problem. We  
>all finally agreed that the car manufacturers should insist that their  
>dealers sell cars at fixed prices (no bargaining allowed) set by the  
>manufacturers. Fortunately, there is one such company that does this:  
>Saturn Inc. They make great cars that are reasonably priced, and all their  
>cars are sold at fixed prices. So, with a Saturn, at least you don't have  
>to worry about the next person getting a better deal than you simply  
>because of his/her "race". 
>>    

Ian Ayers, from the Stanford Law School and Peter Siegelman, from the
American Bar Foundation, have conducted some audits and found the
differences in price to persists (by race and gender) after
controling for numerous attributes like income, bargaining
strategy, and the like. The finding is quite robust. I don't
know if they have published the papers yet but I can find out...


>> -- 
>> Malcolm Diallo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.      
>mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
>> 				             
>Moore_Malcolm+@ssdc.honeywell.com	
>> "Jeeeeah this is the rap about the bat batman he is the one in black  
>like a bat
>> out of hell he will reveal SCREAMIN DOWN THE ROAD IN A BATMOBILE!!!!!!!"
>
>Arthur Johnson
>University of Wisconsin-Madison
>Department of Chemistry
>johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu


Hector
tato@quads.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson)
Subject: Re: Barkeley is an Asshole.
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:59:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.181729.57585@cc.usu.edu> slzm9@cc.usu.edu writes:
>   What is Charles Barkeley's problem? Is he a huge asshole, or
>just the most pathetic buffoon of all time.


    Nike seems to think this dork is HOT-Shit.
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Death of Mary Wells
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:55:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>I personally am tired of hearing about the deaths of ex-Motowners
>like David Ruffin and now Mary Wells who have died relatively young.
>Excuse me, but f--k Berry Gordy, the ripoff artist. Despite the
>pittance he and Ms. Ross pitched in, it was only blood money for the
>death of Flo Ballard. Her family still needs bread to pay for her
>bills and probably now for her funeral.

You cant blame David Ruffins (probably induced) overdose in a West Philadelphia
crack house on Berry Gordy. But you have to believe that Mary Wells might have
had a better shot at survival if she had gotten what she deserved out of
"My Guy" and "You Beat Me to the Punch". Still, BG is no sleazier than every-
one else in the business. A friend of mine, who was a staff writer at
Motown, sold everything and left his position based on a verbal agreement
with a well-known LA producer. Naturally by the time he got out here,
the position had evaporated and my friend was out on the street.

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Daughters of the Dust
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:46:54 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1471600025@igc.org> myesha@igc.org writes:
>
>Just saw Daughters of the Dust again on PBS.  I'm completely
>stirred up, just as I was when I first saw it.
>
>That it is a must for all Black people is clear.  But the
>messages are so many...know ourselves, love ourselves,
>honor ourselves.
>
>Are there others out there who've been moved?  Maybe
>I'll be better able to express myself later, but for now
>what does it do to you?
>
>Beautiful.  A tone.  Emotional.
>

I'll have to wait a while to get stirred up. Its not showing here
until August 6th. But I can't wait to see it.


-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Cop Killer
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:52:40 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu's message of 29 Jul 92 16:31:29 GMT

stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
|So Ice-T pulled "Cop Killer" off the market. PR wins over artistic integrity.
|I mean, Ornette Coleman he aint. This was creating too much of a stink...
|might jeopardize those future $100 Million pictures.

I find myself quite disappointed with Ice-T.  On the other hand, he
claims he's doing this just to prove he isn't in it for the money and
will *instead* give it away free at his concerts.

Which I *do* like.

|But then, Ollie North gets up and says, "This is like Charles Manson
|promising to never go back to the La Bianca home again to commit a
|killing." Have you been smoking crack again, Ollie?

Ollie should go read today's New York Times and here about the
testimony against him given yesterday in the Iran-Contra trials.

Hee, hee.
--
Peace.
                    "There is nothing more dangerous 
                     than a man who has nothing to lose."
                                    -Malcolm X
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cbc1@Ra.MsState.Edu (christopher b carey)
Subject: Re: New Generations of Conservatism-WLefare Myths
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:02:15 GMT

FKR@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>One, it appears to be in violation of basic constitutional rights, as if that
>would mean anything anyway. The bill's advocates are assuming that Blacks and
>Puerto Ricans are the only one (in urban areas) using drugs and on welfare.

Where in the article that you posted, does the word Black show up??
I'm tired of you people taking anything that relates to welfare, and 
automatically assuming that it means only blacks and other minorities.
I for one saw no mention of any minorities in your original post of the 
article.  Where is it????

Despite that, I'll ask what rights this violates??
 

>Two, the bill assumes, again that the Metropolitan areas (Philadelphia, Pitts-
>burgh, etc) are where all the drug problems are. This, too, is wrong because
>drugs are flowing freely across the state and the routes are thru many of the
>small towns in Pa. There was a news article of a small town in Georgia ( I
>forgot the name) which is experiencing a rise in crime rate as a result of
>incresed drug traffic flowing thru the town. The same thing holds in this
>state.

Where did the post say this???
Either you left it out, or you are making a lot of shit up!

>Three, the cost. The author admitted there was no study done on the cost of
>rehab and conducting the drug tests. Right now, Pa is in somewhat of a fiscal
>crisis. Philadelphia almost went bankrupt and the city is having problems
>meeting its yearly budget. Since the state has tightened its purse strings, I
>have no idea where the money is going to come from to cover the cost of these
>drug test. I'm not sure if the author thought the bill would save money over
>all. It doesn't look like it will.

Well, they could take the money they aren't paying the druggie, and use it
to test more people.

>I could go on and on, but I'm won't bore anyone else anymore. I called this
>New Generation of Conservatism because in their desire to make welfare reform
>across the country, politicians may tend to pass more stupid legislation as
>in Pa pending bill. And they are using stereotypical reasons for doing this.
>I wonder how much money most states can save if the voters would reform their
>politicians- if it will happen at all.

I saw no stereotypical reasons used.  I don't care if the druggie is mauve
in color, I don't want that fucker getting a handout from the government so
that he/she can go get some more drugs.
                                 
Chris Carey
--
Got those wishing I was out of school so I could see my girl on
a regular basis blues.
From: slzm9@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Franklin desist! was Re: KNUCKLEHEAD tally
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:24:56 GMT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Jul27.153230.16841@seq.uncwil.edu>, frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
> 
> 
>>And also don't forget to count number of half size brains who cannot
>>finish a post without choice f and motherf words and those who go
>>along.
> 
> Yeah, I mean every time I make a good point in one of my excellent
> postings, there is always some bonehead who follows me up, but 
> instead of making valid points he just whines and calls me vulgar names.
> Doesn't that show that you have hit a nerve?

   CEASE AND DESIST, already!!!!

Mr. Franklin I have asked you nicely and I will try one last time. Please
refrain from posts that are baiting other people to flame you. And 
stop the incessant whining.

Thanks.

Peace, but not without justice,
Zip

P.S. Other scaa readers please do not FOLLOWUP Mr. Franklin's followup.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:42:31 GMT

kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:

In article <1992Jul27.155327.17632@seq.uncwil.edu>
frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
Sure, all of these weren't perfect measures, but all you do is whine
and criticize efforts that have made AMERICA THE BEST PLACE IN THE
WORLD FOR BLACK PEOPLE TO LIVE. I defy you to name a better place
in this world for Black people to live.




>You are butt naked in the middle of a blizzard. In front of you are two holes
>for you to jump into.

>One contains cold horse shit.

>One contains warm horse shit.

>Choose.

>	-Kenny


Thanks for the two holes of horse shit, Kenny, but, from now on....
IF I WANTED TO HEAR FROM AN ASSHOLE I WOULD HAVE FARTED.

Please, Kenny, offer a logical, sound counterpoint to my article or
PACK UP YOUR TWO HOLES AND HIT THE HORSE TRAIL!


(To all readers)
Remember that you need to respond to my excellent postings with
logical and sound arguments, lets keep the name calling down too,
so we will have more time to actually discuss issues and show
that we have intelligent arguments (facts and figurs HELP) to
offer! Have a nice day.  :)
From: vh0l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vesta E. Hodges)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: A Lesson in Racism-Oprah Winfrey Show
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:48:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0ePhH5q00iUxI2I3lW
	<7462@public.BTR.COM>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Yes, Jane Elliott was a school teacher.  I'm not sure if she still is
though.  I just recently saw the video of this exercise when it was
first done on the school children and found it to be interesting and
entertaining. 

Vesta
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: ejohnson@graph.. (Liz Johnson)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:15:38 EST

In article <1992Jul24.171642.16515@usl.edu> pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes  
Gerard M) writes:
> 	I said, in effect, that the Democratic Party
> 	has developed a new approach to minority issues,
> 	and that approach is:
> 
> 	(1)	preach the civil-rights rhetoric
> 	(2)	blame minority problems on the Republicans
> 	(3)	then quietly ignore the issue altogether
> 	(4)	and hope nobody notices the deception
> 

I'm curious as to what you would like Clinton to do as regards to minority  
issues. This is a serious question -- not a flame at all.  When I saw the  
Clinton interview with Bill Moyers, he named racial inequality as the most  
serious problem in America.  I haven't read the Democratic platform or  
Clinton's economic plan so perhaps his statements in the interview are the  
rhetoric you are talking about and his plans don't follow through. In any  
case, I would like to know your opinions on what the Dems should do.

Thanks!
Liz Johnson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:34:14 GMT



Sure, all of these weren't perfect measures, but all you do is whine
and criticize efforts that have made AMERICA THE BEST PLACE IN THE
WORLD FOR BLACK PEOPLE TO LIVE. I defy you to name a better place
in this world for Black people to live.



lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:

>Man, are you a know-nothing, or what?

>Denmark, Senegal.

>There's two.


This is the kind of follow up I have been waiting for. This guy
at least is giving his posts some thought, and only called me
very minimal and polite names...
WOW. I bet Senegal has a better employment rate for Black people.
And I bet Denmark has a comparable AMOUNT of Blacks living therein?
Hehehe. AMEEEEERica America God Shed His Grace On Thee......

(And crown thy hood with Boyz N the Hood)
(From Rodney King to IIICCE T)
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: New
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:55:28 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Wow, lotsa new faces here on s.c.a..
From: slzm9@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Islam/Christianity
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:15:42 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

In article <2344.117.uupcb@wugate.wustl.edu!travel>, carl.camurca@wugate.wustl.edu!travel (Carl Camurca)  writes:
> Hi!
> 
> BS>Of course, Islam is a tool of liberation.  And, of course, Muslims
> BS>have a duty to worry not only about the hereafter, but also about
> BS>this world.  In fact, what we attain in the hereafter, we are
> BS>told by the Holy Qur'an, depends on how we organize our lives in this
> BS>world.
> 
> BS>From day one, the social message of the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) went hand
> BS>in hand with his theological message.  In Mecca, at the same time that
> BS>he announced the Unity of God and denounced pagan idolatry, he also
> BS>reprimanded the greed of the pagans, their mistreatment of the poor and
> BS>the orphans, and their burrying alive of female infants, and their
> BS>dishonesty when dealing with others.   This is perhaps more evident if
> BS>we consider the Medinan Muslim society.   Social justice is an integral part
> BS>of Islam and it cannot be separated from its theological aspects.
> 
> BS>Complete adherence to Islam will create social justice and liberation.
> BS>Conversely, *perfect* liberation and social justice cannot be achieved
> BS>without Islam.
> 
> I've heard that before... not sure, where... It was not in an muslimic
> country... Where the heck was it... ummm, was a big building, yes...
> Lotsa people... somebody delivering a speech, no, a sermon in the front,
> Yeah, a Christian Church!!!
> 
> Replace Islam with Christianity in the above and adjust the settings,
> voila, you have exactly a sermon by a christian preacherman!
> But, what has mankind done with the two religions? What happened? Why
> is there no paradise on earth (don't know the islamic equivalent)? WHAT
> are these two religions (not to mention all other) doing to fix this
> problem? Why must both of them claim to be The Only Holy Truth(tm)?
>

   The funny thing about individuals that practice religion is they
spend so much time talking about peace, liberation, social justice
and what not and ultimately they are the ones you find supporting
David Duke, the Ayatollah, and other leaders. Why do you suppose
that is?

   My dad once told me, when I refused to go to church,
   "Go to church with your mother at least you won't have to think
    about it."


 
> Greetinx, Carl.
> 
> 
>  * OLX 2.1 TD * Thank god, I'm atheist
>             

   Thanks heavens, I'm a Taoist,

Peace, but not without justice,
zip
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:06:55 GMT


More about the Kenya example...


>>   .. But is it worth the price? Take the liberation movements
>>in Southern Africa for example. Let's look at Zimbabwe. Ian Smith's white
>>regime was extremely intransigent, and there was no way the blacks would
>>have won their freedom in 1980 if they had not fought a war of
>>liberation. Look at Kenya, as well. The reason why they won their
>>independence and got rid of the color bar at the time they did was
>>because Kenyatta and the Mau-Mau, through their violent acts, forced the
>>hand of the British to cede to their demands for independence. I think
>>that sometimes the shedding of blood is necessary for change, doing it 
>>otherwise takes too long. Otherwise half of Africa would still be under 
>>colonialism. The reason why the blacks in America were able to win their
>>freedom by non-violent means was that there were sufficent white
>>liberals  around,it was the right time (the 1960's were a pretty liberal
>>era) and also America's position as leader of the "free" world at that
>>time could not be reconciled with it having a domestic "apartheid"
>>system. Otherwise, I don't think that it could have been done without
>>violence.
>>   

I forgot to mention that America won its independance from Britain in
much the same way that Kenya did. It doesn't seem to be a Black thing
necessarily, but just an oppressive Britain. The Revolutionary war
was inevitable though, in American history, so that does alot to prove
your thesis that violence ensues when NOTHING ELSE works, to be sure.

However, I vehemenatly disagree that America oppresses Blacks as
the colonies were oppressed by Britain. Isolated cases still exist
of individuals who oppress based on race, but these are from both
sides of the color spectrum.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: ?Islam
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:28:16 GMT

In article <2092.117.uupcb@travel.uucp> carl.camurca@travel.uucp (Carl Camurca) writes:

>I'd like to. Where is the Jihad founded in the Qu'ran? The Jihad is a
>reality, and as far as I've understood, it means Holy WAR.

Dear Carl,

Jihad is indeed a reality of Islam.  Holy War is an incorrect translation
of it.  It literally means "struggle" and by that is meant struggle in
the path of God.   The greatest Jihad, or "Jihadi Akbar" is the spiritual
struggle against one's evil temptations.

Jihad may also take violent forms.  But we are not talking about
aribtrary violence here.  The Qur'an regulates the type of violence.

With all due respect to pacifist philosophers, be they Ghandi or Dr. King, 
a world-view which does not permit the use of force even in self-defense
is not practical on a national level.  For example, if Nazi Germany
invades you, you want to defend youself.   The Qur'an specifically
permits the use of violence as a method of defense and a means to put
an end to oppression.

Malcolm X, as a Muslim, said that he accepted the use of violence for defense
against violence.  He said, in fact, that if the violence is in self-defense,
he wouldn't even call it "violence," he would call it "intelligence."  He 
said --and I am praphrasing-- "We are only non-violent to those who are 
non-violent to us."

>Curious,
>Carl.

Behnam Sadeghi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Cop Killer
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:13:06 GMT

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>I was vastly disappointed with the brother.  I mean, I don't agree
>with him, but he had every right to say whatever he wanted.

Yeah, I mean he asserted (I think correctly) that no one seemed to
care when Arnie Schwarzenegger blows away cops by the dozens. Just
dont let a gangbangin niggah do it.

I'm not too disappointed. Like I said, Ice-T is a showman (shaman)
not an "artist."

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307