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From: gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Academy Awards
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:57:02 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
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In article <2B4395AA.22951@news.service.uci.edu> jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley) writes:
>
    Dooley's picks deleted ...

My Personal Favourite Films of the Year ...
   (1) The Crying Game
   (2) Unforgiven
   (3) Husbands and Wives
   (4) Flirting
   (5) The Player
   (6) Howards End
   (7) Enchanted April
   (8) Aladdin

This is an approximate order of preference for me, and while I'd love to see
one thru five nominated, I'd be happy with any subset of these five, but
I would guess that numbers 1,2,5,6 and maybe Malcolm X would be the five
nominees.

Take it for what it's worth ...

Brad

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From: karlth@rhi.hi.is (Karl Thoroddsen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Silence of the lambs (spoiler)
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:54:09 GMT
Distribution: rec

In <1993Jan11.093425.9871@cs.ruu.nl> bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaan) writes:

>In <2889@bigfoot.first.gmd.de> aze@first.gmd.de (Andre' Zehl) writes:

>>Why was it so important for Jodie Foster to get the killer, to save the woman?
>You mean it wouldn't be extremely important to you? She just cared. (I would
>of course say: let the spoiled brat die.)

Lecter summed it up pretty nicely: Lamb = Spoiled brat, save her and
you've saved the lamb.

>>There was no logical connection to the lamb she saved in her youth.

See above.

>>Did I understand it right, that the murdere wanted to make a dress like
>>a butterfly out of the skins?

>I thought he just wanted to make a human skin, to become female that way.

IMHO the butterfly was symbolic for the transformation. (men->female).

>Boris Ammerlaan

Karl
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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Movies you were forced to see
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:18:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HMS


I was in NYC over Thanksgiving and my cousin and her teeny-bopper girlfriends
forced me to go see "The Bodyguard". It's a good thing we didn't have to
pay since they knew all the ushers at a UA theatre in Brooklyn or I would
have been mighty pissed for shelling 7 bucks to watch Mr.Woody himself,
Kevin Costner, for what seemed to be the two longest hours of my life.

Regards,

-Mark
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From: trb@cbnews.cb.att.com (tom.balent)
Subject: Re: Bond books and movies
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:32:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.165144.2986@b8.b8.ingr.com> anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman) writes:
>|> 
>|> So, technically, I guess you could 
>|> say Casino Royale was made as a "serious" production.
>
>I don't know how serious you can call it, since James Bond was an American and
>everyone kept refering to him as "Jimmy."
>

Well it was made for American TV, and they did appear to be trying
to act serious 8^)
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Movies In the Public Domain
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:19:19 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

In article <1993Jan8.152826.2641@b8.b8.ingr.com> anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman) writes:
>In article <138330001@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com>, stachnik@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (George Stachnik) writes:
>|> I'm interested in movies that have passed into the public
>|> domain.  Does anybody have a list?  I was told recently that
>|> nobody owns the copyright to "It's a Wonderful Life", which
>|> I found hard to believe.  Can anyone confirm or deny?  Are
>|> there any other films of note that are in the public domain?
>
>I hope this won't be too long winded, but as I grew up I was a TOTAL movie-head,
>especially movies from the 30's and 40's. And I had never even HEARD of this film
>until it suddenly (in early `80s) started appearing on practically every TV
>channel around Christmas time. 

"It's a Wonderful Life" wasn't an obscure film before its copyright expired,
but it wasn't regarded as quite the masterpiece that many consider it today.
It was generally relegated, I believe, to the second string of Capra films -
not the equal of "Mr. Deeds Goes to Town", or "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington",
or "Meet John Doe", or "It Happened One Night".

>I read/saw somewhere (and I honestly think it was
>on Siskel&Ebert) that the company that owned "It's a Wonderful Life"'s copyright
>had let it run out and it was in the public domain, so therefore, every TV
>station could own a copy and show it at-will without paying for the rights.
>
>But this is all from memory and personal experience, so don't blame me if it's
>wrong.

Your memory is essentially correct, with the additional information that
the copyright could have been extended by filling out some paperwork, but,
for whatever reason, the paperwork wasn't filled out.  Most of the famous
old Hollywood films are owned by the studios, who have staffs who took care
of such things, but "It's a Wonderful Life" was owned by Capra's own 
production company, which was probably pretty vestigal in the late 70's, 
when the original copyright expired and would have had to be extended.

This type of case, and this film in particular, are keys to the demands of
copyright holders that the procedure for extending copyrights be made more
automatic, rather than requiring some rather confusing paperwork.

-- 
		Peter Reiher
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From: hypes@boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes)
Subject: Re: FAT GUY GOES NUTZOID
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:25:28 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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What's the point??  A film is, to begin with, an electrophotographic analog 
of human characters that allows the illusion of watching real humans.
Unless you're watching a stage play, it's all light & shadow, folks...

- Gary Hypes -
From: jperkski@kentcomm.UUCP (Jim Perkowski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Roger Erbert in Byte
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:37:06 EST
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <5898@krafla.rhi.hi.is> karlth@rhi.hi.is (Karl Thoroddsen) writes:
>Roger Erbert wrote an article for the Stop Bit column in Byte Magazine.
>He talks about computer generated charactes in movies of the future, a nice
>article but at one point he says (from memory): "It feels like Harrison Ford
>when he found out that Rachel Ward was an fabricant."  Given that he's
>talking about Blade Runner, shouldn't that be Sean Young?

 You are absolutely correct. Sean Young was his love interest in Blade runner.

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From: sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Famous Quotes....
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:03:15 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA


Hi folks:

I'm collecting famous movie quotes.... Any quote you can think of, add to the 
list...

Thanks,
Ahmed the Collector

PS: answers are down below...
---------------------------------------------------------------
(1) "Fasten your seatbelts, its going to be a bumpy night."

(2) "Should I ice her or should I marry her--which one of these?"

(3) "I could have been a contender, but I ended up being a bum"

(4) "Is that a gun you're carrying or are you just happy to see me?"

(5) "You talkin' to me?"























Answers:
(1) Betty Davis in  _All About Eve_
(2) Jack Nicholson in _Prizzi's Honor_
(3) Marlon Brando in _On the Waterfront_
(4) Mae West in _????_ -- the one with Cary Grant.
(5) Robert DeNiro in _Taxi Driver_
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From: bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaan)
Subject: Re: Most Underrated Actor/Actress
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 10:44:47 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <1993Jan1.184116.12024@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rsengupt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rita E Sengupta) writes:


>Is Andie McDowell rated at all?  Does anyone take her seriously?
>Don't think she's been in anything else...Green Card would have been
>better with someone else...
>Can't think of who else right now...
>Goldie Hawn and Gerard Depardieu?

Thet's Andie MacDowell.
	     ^^^

B.A.
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: 1992 Movies that will continue to be popular
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:00:03 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

In article <9301080629.AA22896@acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca> jkung@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jimmy Kung) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.124951.24408@ils.nwu.edu> you write:
>[...]
>>So what films do you think people will still want to see in 10 years that
>>came out this year?
>
>- Hard-Boiled: I think this film will be remembered for quite
>some time by though in the know, it sets new standards for the
>action genre.

I think "The Killer" was a much better film.  Everything good about "Hard
Boiled" was better in "The Killer", in my opinion, and "The Killer" had
some strong points not echoed in "Hard Boiled".  I thought "Hard Boiled"
indicated that John Woo is making a mighty good move in switching from
Hong Kong to Hollywood, as it will give him more of a chance to grow.
"Hard Boiled" looked to me like a rehash of his other films with a slightly
higher body count.  "Hard Boiled" will probably be remembered due to the
really good films I hope Woo will make later in his career, not for its
own merits.

>- Dracula : OVERBLOWN, and lacking much in the way of substance.
>It seems that many reviewers will reccommend a film simply
>because of style, but after this film I decided to never again do
>that.

Sufficiently stylish movies tend to last forever.  Von Sternberg's
films are evidence of that.  One can argue whether this film is
stylish enough or not.  Also, films with particularly strong casts
tend to keep turning up, even when the quality isn't great.  If
Winona Ryder, Gary Oldman, and Keanu Reeves continue to be popular for the 
rest of their careers, this film will be remembered as that film with
all of them, plus Anthony Hopkins.

>- Last of the Mohicans : I enjoyed it, but as with alot of
>Michael Mann stuff, seems dated within a year or two.  (Ever
>tried to watch Miami Vice on USA Network?  Ouch.)

Good action films also tend to last.  I think this film will avoid
the problems of "Miami Vice" due to its setting in the past, and
its avoidance of the trendy.

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: epb3r@Virginia.EDU ("Erik P. Brady")
Subject: Re: Weird Movies
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:43:10 GMT


Hello.

I'm a bit partial, but I think all of Frank Zappa's movies
could be classified as weird (200 MOTELS, UNCLE MEAT, and BABY
SNAKES at least).

SLACKER (not SLACKERS) is available on video now.

Did anybody else see the "horror" film PIECES ?  It haunted me
for a while when I was younger.  It deals with some psycho who
tries to recreat his mother (?) by sawing various parts from
various females.  A SILENCE of the LAMBS predecessor, no
doubt.  I haven't seen it around lately though, although I
haven't tried that much to rediscover it.

I recently watched one of the weirdest things I've ever seen,
under the experimental films in the UVA library: LUCIFER
RISING, directed by somebody like Kenneth Archer (not real sure
about last name).  Very very unusual.  It must have been done a
while ago, but it was quite humorous as Mick Jagger does the
soundtrack for the first 11 minute film (with Anton LaVey).

Another one that may be out at a theatre NEAR YOU is GAS FOOD
LODGING.  I watched this one because of the soundtrack
(featuring J Mascis of Dinosaur Jr.) but it turned out to be a
damned good movie anyway.

How about ANNIE HALL? (or most of Woody Allen's movies,
actually)

About ERASERHEAD, does anybody know about what that baby is?  I
heard that it was a real living thing, although I can't really
believe that, and David Lynch vehemently refuses to answer any
questions regarding it (or the whole movie?)

I'm surprised nobody has put THE WALL down yet.

Personal correspondance is fine.

Erik Brady                  "jazz isn't dead, it just smells
epb3r@virginia.edu            funny"      FRANK ZAPPA
From: jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley)
Subject: Re: Q on A Few Good Men: Poison???
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:34:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.005505.28065@nosc.mil> barrus@cod.nosc.mil writes:
>
>>
>>The final scene is completely inane.  Nicholson's knew that 
>>ordering the "Code Red" was against order's from superiors.
>>He knew enough to alter flight logs to cover his tracks.
>>I really can't believe that anyone would buy him being stupid
>>enough to admit ordering it.  In the heat of an exchange.
>>C'mon.  A successful combat officer (which we are led to believe
>>he is) is successful because he doesn't lose his cool when
>>under stress.  And, then on top of it, asking "what did I do
>>wrong?" after he gets arrested.  If he didn't know he was 
>>culpable, why was he altering flight logs. 
>>
>Cruise knew that Nicholson thought he was correct on this and
>shouldn't have to hide from the truth.  This is why Cruise struggled
>to decide whether it would be worth risking his career to try to
>make him admit it on the stand.  Nicholson only wouldn't admit it

Nicholson DID admit it.

>because he knew that others wouldn't or couldn't be able to see "the truth"
>from his "Marine" point of view.  He always believed he was right.  This
>was the whole point of the climax, not to save the defendants, but 
>to watch Cruise take that risk against a very experienced officer 
>because he thought he could do it.  Nicholson failed to see that
>he was wrong because he was arrogant.  

And I just didn't buy that.  He knew that HE would suffer adverse
consequences if it was known that he ordered the "code red".
That's why he covered it up by altering flight logs. 
I do not understand why he would suddenly forget that. 
Because in his years of service no one (enlisted or commissioned)
had ever disobeyed an order.  Yeah, right.

John D.


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From: carlos@spanky.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion)
Subject: Re: Movies you were forced to see
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution:  usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:21:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.115053.2470@vixvax.mgi.com> eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth) writes:
>I know I'm not alone as someone who was forced/guilted into seeing a movie
>that my spouse wanted to see.  Here's a partial list, with commentary.  Have
>any other guys out there been forced/guilted into seeing these movies?

	Movies I was forced to see??  Hmmm...

	Popeye.  ONLY movie where I have fallen asleep.

	The Bad News Bears.  terrible movie.

carlos.

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From: georged@meaddata.com (George Dibos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Weird List
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:15:12 GMT
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You can add "Union City" -- a Barton Fink-flavored absurdist/surreal
comedy starring Debbie Harry of Blondie fame.  Came out in 1980, 81, or
82.  Definitely strange...
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From: bgaynor@csi.compuserve.com (Beth Gaynor)
Subject: Re: Movies you were forced to see
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:33:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.115053.2470@vixvax.mgi.com> eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth) writes:
>Have any other guys out there been forced/guilted into seeing these movies?

>Crossing Delancey

I wasn't too thrilled with this movie, except for one scene near the
end, where the hero and heroine are talking in a kitchen, and it turns
out the guy ("I will always remember him as "The pickle man" soaks his
hands in vanilla to get rid of the pickle smell on his hands at the
end of the day. For some reason, I caould just _smell_ the vanilla in
this scene - I was impressed.


And let's not liit this to _guys_ being forced to watch movies:

Cool World
 Like someone else, I had to go wwatch this piece of trash, although I
actually went in with dim hopes that it might be decent. Bzzt. Thanks
for playing.

Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure
 If I want to watch idiots for two hours, I can go to the mall for free.


And sometimes it's not the spouse who forces you to see a bad movie. I
was a prjectionist for two years, and I can't _count_ the number of
stinkers I had to watch. (I also saw _Sing_, the movie someone else
mentioned, and it really was that bad.) However, that got me to see a
show I might have otherwise passed on:

Look Who's Talking
 We had a sneak preview of this movie, and I had seen the trailer and
thought it looked horribly stupid and boring. But, I started the movie
and went down into the theater to check on it like a good little
projectionist. I saw it running fine, started to leave, but then saw
something funny, so I stayed, then started t leave, then saw another
funny thing...  We ended up with me, a manager, and a couple of ushers
in the back of the theater for almost the entire show, laughing
ourselves silly. It's nice to get a _pleasant_ surprise once in a
while!

--Beth


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From: eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most Underrated Actor/Actess (Andie M)
Date: 4 Jan 93 11:32:25 CDT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

Speaking of Andie McDowell...

I agree that she's not much of an actress, but she does qualify as a fabulous
babe.  And in honor of the fact that I used to date a woman
who looked amazingly like her, I named my golden retriever "Andie."

Getting back to actors that can't act, over the past few years I have invoked
a few "rules" that dictate whether or not I'll see a movie.  The rules are based
strictly on the appearance of actors/actresses that I can't stand to look at
and that, in my opinion, cannot act worth a shit.  They are:

	Julia Roberts - can't act at all and she's definitely not that good
	looking.  I invoked this rule after suffering through Pretty Woman,
	which is the last movie I've seen in an effort to appease my wife.

	Holly Hunter - after Broadcast News, I invoked a rule in her honor.
	She's incredibly irritating; she reminds me of the former
	gymnast Mary Lou Retton.

	Lou Gossett - he's had the longest running rule of them all since it
	was invoked after Jaws III-3D.  He's one of those actors who will
	take any job, regardless of the plot or script.  I know it's probably
	tough to make it in Hollywood, but Lou must have no sense of pride.

I'm debating whether I should invoke a rule for Kevin Costner.  Although I
liked Bull Durham, Field of Dreams and JFK, he's basically the same guy in
every movie - not much range.  Robin Hood sucked, and this movie with
Whitney Houston looks pathetic.
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Siskel & Eberts Top 10 of 1992
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:36:15 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1993Jan7.181838.25079@cs.ucla.edu>, reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu 
(Peter Reiher) writes:

> "One False Move" I thought it was a very good film, probably deserving of 
> being on a ten-best list.  I am a bit surprised it made it into the first 
> and second positions, though.  It wasn't *that* good.

Are you sure those lists are ranked?  I was under the distinct impression
that almost all movie critics just list their ten favorite movies of the
year in no particular order.  Sometimes the numbers are just to show how many
there are, not to denote ranking...

(And yes, I'd put _One False Move_ in my top ten, but it's not ranked) :P

Greg Bole                            "We ride...to hell.  Or to glory.  
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu         It depends on your point of view."
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From: tonyl@vcd.hp.com (Tony Long)
Subject: Re: The Weird List
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:07:11 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
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K.R.Catchpole3@lut.ac.uk wrote:
: P.S. How can you put "Empire of the Sun" with these. Jeez that was dross. 

	Weel, I put in EOTS because it was definitely a portrayal of a 
wierd, alternate reality--from wartime to prison camp to A-bomb to
survivor.
	Also, *I* thought it was a great movie!

			Tony

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From: anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman)
Subject: Re: Coppola's DRACULA
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:58:42 GMT

In article <C0HrKD.9zK@rahul.net>, kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai) writes:
|> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:
|> >In article <1993Jan7.144844.16689@Princeton.EDU>  
|> >egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edward G. Nilges) writes:
|> >> I KNOW that I don't love the smell of napalm in the morning, and to  
|> >me
|> >> it's not the smell of victory.  Coppola needs to grow up.
|> >> 
|> >Are you confusing the point of view of a character in the movie
|> >with that of the writer/director?  The character was obviously
|> >portrayed as a buffoon for saying things like that.
|> 
|> Obviously he was not acting as a buffoon, but rather a gung-ho
|> military officer showing no fear of the beach bombardment.  That
|> doesn't mean he's a buffoon IMHO!
|>  

Does this qualify the good colonel as a buffoon:

(Bombs landing all around the beach head)

"Hey, those waves look great! Get your swimsuits on boys, lets do some surfing."

"Sir. Don't you think we ought to secure the perimeter first."

"Look son, in my outfit you either surf or fight! Now which is it going to be?"

A very rough paraphrase, but it certainly is accurate to the gist of the scene. I
don't suppose you're suggesting that all military officers should show the
bravery and level-headedness of making their soldiers participate in recreational
games while under heavy enemy fire, are you?

Anthony

BTW, the first poster is DEFINITELY confusing the character's attitudes with
Coppola's.