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Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:57:54 -0500 
From: Robert Andrew Ryan <rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: PSDIT
Distribution: usa

Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 10-Nov-92 PSDIT Leslie
Hart@nipmuc.fsl.n (107)

> I don't have psdit on my system.  Is there a (PD) place I can
find psdit?

Unfortunately not, see below for Adobe's address.  If you have C/A/T
troff you can use psroff. Alternately you can get the GNU groff (which
requires C++, AT&T cfront 2.1, and gcc 2.2.2 have been used
successfully).

No endorsement of the following products or organizations is implied. 
We routinely use transcript, and we have successfully used groff
compiled both with gcc 2.2.2 and with AT&T cfront 2.1.

From the ATK FAQ:

transcript (psdit)
	Contact: 
		Adobe
		1585 Charleston Road
		P.O. Box 7900
		Mountain View, CA 94039-7900
	phone: 1-800-833-6687

psroff	(note that psroff doesn't allow printing of embedded postscript,
used for rasters, zips, and in the next release figures.)
	Software augmenting troff and providing printer drivers.
	on cdrom: src/util/psroff  is version 3.0 patch level 07
	contact:  Chris Lewis
	psroff-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca

GNU software: groff, g++, gcc, gdb, gnuemacs, ... 
    Free software, eventually replacing Un*x
    ftp: prep.ai.mit.edu
        see pub/gnu/GNUinfo/FTP
        and pub/gnu/etc/DISTRIB
    email: gnu@prep.ai.mit.edu
    mailing address:
        Free Software Foundation, Inc.
        675 Massachusetts Avenue
        Cambridge, MA  02139
        USA
    phone:  +1 617-876-3296

-Rob Ryan
Andrew Consortium
From: tinglett+@rchland.ibm.com (Todd Inglett)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG Word Processing (Free?)
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:52:01 GMT
Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" <tinglett@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 4-Nov-92 Re: WYSIWYGWord
Processing.. mcs (1922)

i had big problems with the class preprocessor due to certain bugsin flex-2.3.7

I have seen problems in other versions of lex, too.  The problem seems
to stemfrom the fact that a zillion keywords are listed directly in the
scanner.  Imodifed the code to simply scan an identifier and then lookup
the identifierin a hash table.  I didn't notice any peformance
degradation and thepreprocessor was much smaller.  I think I can dig up
the code if you want totry it.

-todd inglett
From: janssen@parc.xerox.com (Bill Janssen)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Printers
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:23:23 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from ext.andrew: 10-Nov-92 Re: Printers Todd
Inglett@rchland.ibm (1297+0)

>> This should actually be a fairly quick hack, if you are willing to
>> depend on ghostscript.  Just create a pixmap or window on the X
> server, and set the enviornment variable GHOSTVIEW

> Actually, this is what I had in mind for implemented an ATK version of a
> postscript previewer.  It would use ghostscript to render the postscript
> in a window, but otherwise would provide an ATK interface consistent
> with ez.  If the X server supports display postscript, that can be used
> instead.

Yes, I've written one of these.  Not too hard.

Bill
From: rr2b+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Robert Andrew Ryan)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Who else has ez printing with groff.
Date: 12 Nov 92 08:40:35 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 12-Nov-92 Who else has ez
printing wi.. Bill Cattey@athena.mit.e (924)


> All the pages are shifted up an inch so no page numbers are visible.


This sounds reminiscent of the US vs A4 paper size problem.  I believe
the groff distribution is delivered with A4 paper configured in the
makefile.

Sigh... I don't have groff running at the moment, so I'm not sure about
the format, preview, and print commands.  I am reasonably sure that I
did have previewing working with ghostview at one point though...

-Rob
From: rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Andrew Ryan)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Printers
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:17:32 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 9-Nov-92 Printers Robert
Andrew Ryan (1030+0)

> %!
> /Helvetica findfont 20 scalefont setfont
> 100 100 moveto version show


Ooops... Jason Haar pointed out to me that I forgot the showpage...

So it should read:

    %!
    /Helvetica findfont 20 scalefont setfont
    100 100 moveto version show showpage

Thanks,
-Rob
From: janssen@parc.xerox.com (Bill Janssen)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Postscript Printing Comments? (was) Re: Printers
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:39:52 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

No, of course not, Rob.  PS is well suited for many tasks, particularly
the description of pictures.  I am quite a fan of the combined approach
of groff+EPS, particularly since Jim Clark is apparently willing to
contribute some effort in making it work.  I'd replace the dvi previewer
with the ghostview supplied with ghostscript 2.5 (which has a pretty
groty UI; better perhaps to supply an ATK version of ghostview using the
ghostview protocols to talk to ghostscript).  But bear in mind that
printing is not everything; there are places where the display on the
screen is more important.

My recommendation would be to focus on other features that have bugs,
and on places where ATK shines.

In the first category, footnotes, templates, and citations come to mind.
 The footnote styles are very fragile.  The citation system is broken
completely.  Color images are needed.  It is difficult to use one
document as a template for another.

In the second category, hypertext and active documents are major
contributions to the technology available via ATK, as is the notion of
mapping a persistent typed object system onto the normal file system
(via the dataobject storage methods).  I'd like to see the `text' class
turned into a `hypertext' class in a totally backward-compatible way,
via the addition of Universal Resource Identifiers currently being
discussed in the IETF, and the notions of anchors with links.  Adding a
synchronized document, to allow multiple streams of timestamped input to
be synchronized, would be an interesting and original contribution.

Bill
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
From: hart@nipmuc.fsl.noaa.gov (Leslie Hart)
Subject: PSDIT
Reply-To: hart@nipmuc.fsl.noaa.gov (Leslie Hart)
Organization: Forecast Systems Lab, NOAA - Boulder CO, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:23:45 GMT

I don't have psdit on my system.  Is there a (PD) place I can
find psdit?

Leslie Hart (hart@fsl.noaa.gov)
From: Bob_Dew@ALW.NIH.GOV
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: compchar question
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:12:55 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


Is there any way to include the registered trademark symbol (capital R
inside of a circle) in an ATK document?  How about a superscripted TM?

Thanks,

-Bob
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
From: weisen@daedalus.dcrt.nih.gov (Neil Weisenfeld)
Subject: Question about AMDS message delivery
Organization: National Insts. of Health, DCRT, CSL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:46:44 GMT


Our AMDS system is set up so that a number of machines may deliver the
same message.  Is there any sort of locking system used to keep them
from stepping on each other's toes?   I'm writing a biff program and it
seems to suffer from two ailments:

1. Sometimes the user gets informed about a message twice since its
modification time changes twice.

2. Sometimes the biff program starts scanning the message for headers
as the message is being written and subsequently winds up hitting EOF
before finding all of the headers.


Now I know that I could solve #1 by keying off of the filename and not
checking the same file twice, but how about #2?  Is there some lock
mechanism for the Mailbox directory or the message files, or is it just 
a free for all?


Thanks,
Neil


--
Neil I. Weisenfeld                    National Institutes of Health
Computer Engineer                     Building 12A, Room 2033
weisen@alw.nih.gov                    Bethesda, MD 20892
uunet!nih-csl!weisen                  phone: (301) 402-2788
From: jlc@firewall.adaclabs.com (Jean-Luc Chatelain)
Subject: Re: compchar question
Organization: Adac Laboratories, Milpitas Ca
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:42:57 GMT

One way is to use the lookz inset to add a new style (add new style menu entry of lookz) into the font menu card. You could call this style 'symbol' and bind it to the symbola font family which contains the (r) and (c) characters as characters values 0x62 and 0x63.
It works, I'am using it :-)
jlc
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ADAC Laboratories				VMAIL: 800 SAY ADAC x1797
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Milpitas, CA 95035

Disclaimer: Any opinion expressed is my own may and not reflect the views of
ADAC Laboratories
From: janssen@parc.xerox.com (Bill Janssen)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Printers
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:07:08 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

I think that the real dependencies fall in the realm of depending on
troff for indices, tables of contents, footnotes, etc., which would all
have to be done internally if direct PostScript generation (a bad idea,
in my mind, for anything other than line drawings in ATK -- I'd prefer
converting to TeX with some macro package) was adopted.

Bill
From: janssen@parc.xerox.com (Bill Janssen)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Postscript Printing Comments? (was) Re: Printers
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:21:32 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from ext.andrew: 10-Nov-92 Re: Postscript Printing Com.. Robert
Andrew Ryan@andre (3037+0)

> Definitely.  I think this is where ATK has an opportunity.  If a
> reasonably complete WYSIWYG editor could be written in ATK I think it
> would be a very fine feather in our cap so to speak.  Seen many free
> WYSIWYG editors?  I'm not talking full function, but enough so that
> anything normally done with ez and troff looks right on screen.

I think this is a real red herring and a good way to sink your
consortium by adding useless work.  With ports of MS Word and FrameMaker
to Macs, PCs, and X, there's no way EZ is going to be able to compete in
terms of WYSIWYG functionality.  The niche that EZ has is based on
simple multi-media support, and being NON-wysiwyg -- that is, displaying
a document based on the right way of displaying it for the context,
rather than trying to force everything in the world into being a piece
of paper.  Concentrate on
What-You-See-Looks-Good-For-Your-Display-Context (WYSLGFYDC?).

Bill
From: dba+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (David Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Running ATK applications in foreground ?
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:17:53 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Use the -d switch to run an ATK application, such as ez, in the foreground 

	ez -d

The choice of the letter 'd' comes from the fact that preventing forking
is most often needed in order to use a debugger.

--david
From: Garrett.Wollman@UVM.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Printers
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:37:49 GMT
Organization: The Internet

<<On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:44:55 -0600 (CST), Todd Inglett <tinglett+@rchland.ibm.com> said:

> I think a class similar to graphic (subclass of graphic) to render
> postscript would result in the biggest short term win. 

This should actually be a fairly quick hack, if you are willing to
depend on ghostscript.  Just create a pixmap or window on the X
server, and set the enviornment variable GHOSTVIEW to be either the
window ID, or the window ID and the pixmap ID.  Then fire up
ghostscript with the PostScript code as standard input, and away we
go.

There's actually a bit more to it than that, but that's the basic
idea.  This is documented in ghostview-1.4/gs.interface, for anyone
interested in actually doing it.

-GAWollman

--
Garrett A. Wollman   | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... 
wollman@emba.uvm.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance.
uvm-gen!wollman      | It is a bond more powerful than absence.  We like people
UVM disagrees.       | who like Shashish.  - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
From: dag@atomica.fi (Dag Nygren)
Subject: Making a hyperlink running another program ?
Organization: Oy Atomica Ab, ESBO, FINLAND
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:46:17 GMT


Hi there netters,

is there a way of using pushbuttons to run other programs from a ez document?

Even if Andrew is quite a good tool I have a lot of tgif documents here that
in a sensible way should be linked to my other documentation.

And I still need a roff-link include feature for my ever changing
tables.

Am I using the wrong tool for doing my documentation here or is 
there someone out there an answer ?




-- 
Dag Nygren					email: dag@atomica.fi
Oy Atomica Ab				or     santra!atomica!dag
Box 22 (Ahventie 4A)
02170 Esbo
From: rr2b+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Robert Andrew Ryan)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Postscript Printing Comments? (was) Re: Printers
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:00:52 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 9-Nov-92 Re: Printers
Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov (391*)

> Aren't these dependencies necessary to support ATK's "preview"?  

Our intent is to replace preview with code which hopefully will work in
the same process as the document being edited.  Ideally I would like to
see the Postscript printing layout technology leveraged into a true
WYSIWYG editor.  (though I speak only for myself on that one as far as I
know...)  Another less lofty goal perhaps would be a dynamic preview.

Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 9-Nov-92 Re: Printers
Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov (391*)

> In the long run, I'd think a device-independent troff generator would be
> more useful and less error prone than a direct ATK-->Postscript program.
>  
I disagree, one of the problems with ATK printing currently is that
groff, and the varieties of troff are slightly different in many
respects.  

Another drawback of hybrid ditroff/postscript printing is that it is not
possible to include an inset which prints in troff in an inset which
prints in postscript and have the printing work.  

Perhaps it may be worthwhile for us to investigate another text
formatter besides troff...

Minimum requirements:
1. Documents can include embedded postscript (following the spec for EPS)
2. Font metrics must be  available to ATK apps.  (so they can compute
their print sizes)
3. It must be possible to format text TO embedded postscript (preferably
computing preferred size), and subsequently include this in a document. 
(text or more raw postscript.)

1 is trivial.   2 could be accomplished with gross hackery giving ATK
knowledge of the mapping of troff fonts to Postscript fonts, (currently
we have the technology to read AFM files).
As far as I know 3 is not feasible with ditroff or groff... 

Neither ditroff nor groff is so powerful that I believe we will have
great difficulty duplicating the functionality in a direct ATK -> PS
conversion.  

Ditroff/groff are unattractive also in that you have to pay, or you have
to get and compile gcc (and g++ if gcc <2), and libg++.    Having
followed the groff route for the HP 9000/700 I can say it was pretty
painful.

If anyone has any comments, suggestions on this topic we would be happy
to hear them :-)  

Thanks,
-Rob Ryan
Andrew Consortium

Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:25:40 -0500 
From: Robert Andrew Ryan <rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Making a hyperlink running another program ?

Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 11-Nov-92 Making a hyperlink
running .. Dag Nygren@atomica.fi (535)

is there a way of using pushbuttons to run other programs from a ez document?

The problem with doing this is that the general case is a rather nasty
security hole.  That is if you can send mail or a bboard post with a
button with any arbitrary command there is a much greater risk of a
(pick your favorite computer program nasty) deleting all your files, or
looking at private data.  Under ATTBL_ENV in atk/hyplink/linkv.c there
is some code for having buttons which execute a command, but it depends
on a class we didn't pick up from the contributors... (AT&T Bell Labs).

It might be cool to subclass linkv so that selected programs could be
run on the destination of a link, but care would be needed to ensure
that security isn't compromised.  (For example having a filename like 
blah`rm -rf $HOME/*`foo go through sh would be unfortunate...)

-Rob Ryan
Andrew Consortium
From: mikes@bioch.ox.ac.uk (Mike Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Building Andrew on a Silicon Graphics
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:17:49 GMT
Organization: Department of Biochemistry, University of Oxford
Originator: mikes@newton.bioch


I would like some help with building the andrew software on my Silicon Graphics
which is running 4.0.5.  Everything is (or should be) in the standard places.

This is as far as I get ...

        cc -G 0 -cckr -c  -O -I.  -I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include -I/usr/include -DSYSV -D_BSD_SIGNALS  doload.c
cpp: error /usr/include/syms.h:113: Can't find include file cmplrs/stsupport.h

I have to admit that I haven't altered the files config/site.h and
config/site.mcr, but I can't work out what (if anything) I need to do here.

Any help anyone?

Many Thanks

Mike Smith
From: Jay Kirsch <kirsch@perca.umd.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Applicability of Khoros to basic flowgrams
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:53:35 GMT

Hi there!

     I've read most of the release diectory documentation files, and
I've successfully installed Khoros on the Sun network here.  I've also
played with cantata a bit.  So here are some questions...

     What I'm trying to do is simpler than what khoros can do.  I have
written many C programs which perform array processing on biological
data.  On a command line, I execute these programs together using the
standard UNIX pipe |, and connect them to files with the standard < >
symbols.  I would like to connect my modules with a flowgram so that
any user can build a program sequence visually, i.e. simulate a pipe.
Can Khoros help me here?  Does Khoros allow the user to write their
routines in any compilable language???  Is there another public domain
package out there which does this task?

     My other question deals with simple array visualiztion.  Is it
possible to import a 2-D numerical array into Khoros and then
color-scale it?  If so, are the color tables user-definable?

     And finally, where are Chapters 2-8 of the documentation, and
does it apply to the general user?

Any advice would be appreciated.  Thanx.

Jay Kirsch                                Phone: (410)-326-4281
Acoustics Research Assistant              Fax  : (410)-326-6342
Chesapeake Biological Laboratory
P.O. Box 38
Solomons, MD  20688
kirsch@perca.umd.edu
From: kootenai!swilson@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Scott Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re:  Image Compression Using Khoros System
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:02:01 GMT

There are FDCT's in the "ionbeam" toolbox in the contrib directory on
pprg.eece.unm.edu (the main Khoros ftp server).

There is a whole lot of other stuff in that toolbox too, so you'll
want to strip the FDCT stuff out by itself.

Scott
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Fonts using SGI
From: yishay@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Kamon Yishay)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:14:41 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computation Center.
Originator: yishay@nufar.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il



--
Hello everybody

I got a problem with the fonts in cantata , using a Silicon Graphics (Indigo) machine.
Entering cantata without a font specification, or using "fixed" font,
the layout of the panes is not correct, and some panes are to big to
fit the screen (for example, raw to VIFF pane).
Using a different font, for example "screen12", the layout of the
panes was correct, but the information in the text fields (file names,
parameter values) was invisible.

Can you help ?

thank you in advance
Yishay Kamon
--

Yishay Kamon
M.sc.
From: gadams@idefix.ph2.uni-koeln.de (Gunnar Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: RAW2VIFF with Comment
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:09:00 GMT


Hello,

Recently there have been some requests for the RAW2VIFF routines to retain
header information in the VIFF comment field.

I have modified the raw2viff routine in order to put a comment from the
raw file header to the VIFF comment field. The comment can be anywhere in the
header. I call this routine rwc2viff (something like "raw with comment 2 VIFF").
Please reply, if you are interested in my uploading it to UNM.

Gunnar
From: porsche@wocky.abq.bdm.com (G.R. Salo)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: ascii color maps
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:58:00 GMT

Hi,

I'm attempting to create an ascii color map to use with editimage and
viewimage.  My ascii file has rgb values in the following form:
  R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6
  G1 G2 G3 G4 G5 G6
  B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
I convert my ascii file to a viff file with asc2viff.  The number of
rows is set to 6, the no. of columns to 1, and the number of data
bands to 3.  I then use vconvert to convert the viff file to byte 
format.  Finally, vgamut is used to compress the rgb colors to
Pseudo colors.

When I do all this, my six rgb colors are correct, however, they are
not in the same order as I originally entered them.  Effectly, they
appear in the following order:
  R1 R6 R3 R5 R2 R4
  G1 G6 G3 G5 G2 G4
  B1 B6 B3 B5 B2 B4

Can someone tell me why this is happening and if there is some way I
can correct the problem?  Thanks.

Glen
From: swampler@leonardo.wr.usgs.gov (Steve Wampler)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: sample images for vstereo?
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:11:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.41642

Are there any images available suitable for demonstrating 'vstereo'?
I'd like to learn more about using it.

-- 
swampler@leonardo.wr.usgs.gov
{Steve Wampler, ISD, USGS, Flagstaff AZ}