From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Ye Great Sinners
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:26:48 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep29.150346.24226@pdn.paradyne.com>, nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson) writes:
>>I suggest you learn to read followups more accurately; twisted and not marshall
>>gave the "misquote." Marshall is the one offering "corrected" quotes.
> 
> 
> I stand corrected and apologize for any misunderstandings that may have been 
> caused by my reply.  But at least you acknowledge who gave the misquotes and 
> who gave the corrected quotes.  :-)

No problem; it wasn't all that long ago that I was totally lost here. But I did
put the "corrections" in quotes :-)

>>> That is not to be found in Gen 6:14, where was it found originally?
>>
>>I suspect it may be found in the Newer New Revised Bobo the Clown Translation;
>>this exciting new text is believed to be the one most closely approximating the
>>meaning intended by the Word of God (TM).
> 
> 
> Do you have a copy of this, it would prove to be most interesting reading since 
> it is where you seem to be getting most of your information from.

Nope, the only known extant copy is in the possession of Rev. John Baptist, (I
hope that's his name) who posted in the first place.
 
>>>>God couldn't turn a turnip into a  tomato.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Too long of a debate to discuss here.
>>
>>Why? Are you not truly up to it? Because I am.
> 
> 
> I see no reason for God to want to turn a turnip into a tomato, there are 
> already enough tomatos out there in the world.  But if you must argue your
> point, go for it!

Simple. God can't do it because it's beyond his power.
 
> I have looked in several translations (NIV, KJV, NKJV, Ryrie) and they all 
> concur on this verse.  I would be most interested in the name of your 
> source so that at least we could converse on the same level of reference.

Sure. It's the _New American Bible With Revised New Testament_. We focused on
that version because we found it interesting that they diverged in such a
manner, when Marshall was commenting that the original poster's version was too
far off to be for real.
 
> I cannot argue with you that it is very confusing to read different versions of
> the Bible, esp. older versions with "thees and thous".  These versions may have
> different meanings to previous societies than those in which we have now.  Cultures
> of yesterday had different mannerisms of speach.  Words have different meanings 
> now than even 5-10 years ago, so when you read a translation that was written 
> several years ago, yes, you can get confused.  But you can also get confused 

I found this part interesting--I wasn't aware that language was diverging so
quickly. I am reminded of the first time I read _The Golden Bough_ and was
bemused by the word "corn" (women wearing wreaths of corn?! The image was
fairly ridiculous) until I found out that in England "corn" meant "wheat,"
which was a whole 'nother ball game.

>>> I agree, but thank God that we are not to rely on the "words" in themself, 
>>> but by the Holy Spirit who leads us.
>>
>>How do you know that it is truly the Holy Spirit as you claim, and not Satan
>>misleading you?
>>
> 
> 
> Because if it IS Satan who is leading me, then my posts would be harsh and
> discriminitive such as yours.  I hold no ill will towards anyone on this newsgroup
> -- after all it is named "alt.satanism", not "alt.trying.to.convert.satanists.to.
> christians".  I simply put my thoughts out for discussion, and am not trying to 
> convince you of anything.

I've seen some harsh stuff coming from Xians, particularly when one uf "us"
(the Satanists) invades their realms. I can put out some really concerned,
sympathetic stuff when I think it is apropos. In this particular case I don't
think it is. Could be worse; I could have fed you a copy of Scott's anti-Xian
post (rolls eyes).
 
>>How do you know that it isn't all in your imagination?
>>
> 
> 
> My imagination is not that good.  Besides, I would have to share the same 
> imagination with quite a few other people - and aren't imaginations supposed 
> to be personal?

Hehheh. A good answer. But no, imaginations aren't always personal, in the
sense of being unique, most notably when the subject matter is something common
to much of the society (most Americans have some exposure to Xian ideas, for
example).
 
>>Because it is written in _The Bible_? But that's exactly what's in question
>>right now.
> 
> 
> All this talk about the Bible, I'm interested, what do you derive your
> source(s) of information from.  I don't know what you believe, only that we
> disagree (no problem there).  Do you have a book that you turn to, or
> writings, or something from which you gain your knowledge?  I don't want to
> condem it, I'm just curious.

I do have books that I turn to, much as Evan Marshall described. He turns to
works such as the apocrypha, but considers them more carefully, because he is
aware that some but not all of the contents are "inspired." Similarly I refer
to some books, but I don't regard any of them with the same significance that
Xians regard _The Bible_. Mostly they are books about the occult, the history
of religions and Satan, with a scholarly outlook. Some of them are included in
the FAQ (which I will try to get up in the next day or two).

> We have all arrived at the point we are currently at in our lives by previous
> experiences and how we have reacted to those experiences.  I may not agree
> with your beliefs (we could all find a point of arguement in any
> conversation), but I respect your right to express them.  I am simply
> curious as to how you have arrived at them?

That's a long story and one I don't quite have the guts or time to go into
right now. Suffice to say that I am the Satanic equivalent of Mike Warnke ;-)
 
>>> And it is written that: 
>>> 
>>>         "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
>>>          correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God
>>>          may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
>>>                                                             2 Tim. 3:16, 17
>>
>>But is it the correct translation?
> 
> 
> What does your New Revised Bobo the Clown Translation say?

I don't know; I don't have one :)   However the most brilliant music group
Witchfinder General said:

"Some say God, some say faith,
 I say sex, drugs, rock and beer,"

which sums it up for me (even though I don't even like beer).
 
> Sure has, its been real fun talking to you guys.  :-)

Cool, a Christian with a sense of humor :)
 
"Live long and prosper." --Spock

--Semhaza
"You, you say, you have lost the way
 Got no aim, just livin' for today
 Look up to the sky above
 And see the morning sun again
 You got so much power inside
 So cry it out my friend"
	--Helloween, "I'm Alive"
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