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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:56:41 -0400 
From: "Bartley R. Troyan" <bt26+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Weird Stuff that happen to me (posted under
	<1992Oct14.151256.164774@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>

Regarding the feeling of insignificance compared to a large, shadowy floating
body mentioned in previous messages, I have to say I have had the same feeling
occasionally both in a dream and once or twice when I was really tired but
not yet asleep.

It is a bizarre feeling, but apparently there are lots of people who have
experienced it.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: g92h7147@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR GR HUTCHISON)
Subject: A DREAM EXPERIMENT
Summary: none
Keywords: none
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 12:28:29 GMT

There is an interesting dream experiment that I heard about a while ago. The 
experiment goes like this:

	You lie on your back with one of your arms bent at a 90 degree
	angle so that your forearm is sticking up vertically above your
	body :
                      |
	        ( )-__|---------^ 
	   <hope you can figure out this pic.>

	Anyway, then you go to sleep like this... And when you fall asleep
	your arm will fall on you, causing you to wake up, remembering the
	`dream' that you were having as you fell asleep...

Has anyone ever tried this experiment?? What were your results??

I have tried it once, and it DEFINITELY DID WORK ;-) 

Cheers,
GREG
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Rhodes University           ||   also being given the power to make
Grahamstown                 ||   it true.
South Africa                ||     You may have to work for it,
<g92h7147@giraffe.ru.ac.za> ||     however." - Richard Bach
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Subject: Paralyzed while dreaming (was Re: Lucidity and me.)
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:04:09 GMT
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In <8eoddbe00WB0M4HFZH@andrew.cmu.edu> Jack writes:

>...  
>  not happen").  The creepy part comes after I wake.  I find that I can't
>  move any part of my body on awakening but my eyes.  No matter how hard I
>  try, I can't even get my fingers to wiggle.  I eventually break out of
>  this in about ten seconds, but when it happens, even though I know that
>  I'll break out, it freaks me out.  Maybe if someone would tell me that
>  this is natural or explain the "physics" of it to me, I can rest more
>  assuredly that my eyes aren't looking out from a lifeless body.  

It's actually easier than thought and absolutely no need to worry.

When in dream state, the whole body becomes paralyzed. Some scientists
have found a portion in the brain that acts like a 'clock generator'
for the body muscles and is always working EXCEPT in dream state. This
breaks the connection between imagined actions and actual body motions
(otherwise, you would be walking in your sleep). This explains why the
eyes (which are not affected by the paralyzation) are rapidly moving
while dreaming (hence REM sleep= rapid eye movements): they follow the
eye movements that occur in your dream. Usually the paralyzation stops
on waking up, but sometimes it can be prolonged for a few seconds.
This is nothing to concern about. (Walking in your sleep, or talking
in your sleep as well, can be explained by this paralyzation mechanism
not working completely. This usually occurs with little children only
and gets away later.)

MfG,
        Olaf
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Subject: Re: external influences while you sleep
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:46:44 GMT
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In <gj156879.719203435@cunews> gj156879@prince.carleton.ca writes:

>  Once I fell asleep with the radio on.  In my dream, I was standing
>  next to a police car, listening to their radio (which was playing
>  exactly what the radio was playing in my room as I slept).  One of

This is common, you hear in your dreams exactly what you hear in 'real
life', as your ears don't switch off when you're sleeping. I find it
extremely annoying when I dream of a radio running, and I try to
switch it off when they do commercials (as I'm used to do) but the
switch doesn't work...
That happens regularly to me.

>  I've also had a prof in psychology talk about having a dream where he
>  was listening to an orchestra, and there was one bad note reoccuring
>  every few seconds.  It turned out that there was a cricket in his
>  room.

must have been a nightmare for a music-lover ;-)

>  Then of course, there's the matter of hearing things while asleep and
>  registering them somewhere, remembering it, but not knowing where it
>  came from.  My only example of this is sleeping with the radio on, and

I frequently remember that I heard the morning news in a dream, but do
not remember what exactly they said :-( 

These programs for 'learning while sleeping' somehow take advantage of
the fact that you are able to remember things you hear while sleeping.
But I wonder how they manage to inhibit that forgetting on waking up...

MfG,
        Olaf
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Woe to the land that's governed by a child! - Shakespeare
From: sprague@unssun.nevada.edu (Joan A. Sprague)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: How do I dream?
Summary: How do I dream?
Keywords: Dream, how
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:27:35 GMT
Reply-To: sprague@unssun.UUCP (Joan A. Sprague)
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno



    Well this may seem like a stupid question, but how do I dream?  I mean
 I sometimes have dreams, and they are all very extensive and vivid, but
 how do I "Force" myself to dream everynight?
            Thanks
              J.S
From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: To Lucid Dream or To Not ...
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:40:58 GMT
Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK


In article <1992Oct12.001731.12612@morrow.stanford.edu> you write:
|> 
|> 
|> >I was told by well-meaning adults that one cannot control ones dreams.
|> >becoming nightmares, but not enough to be lucid.  Has anyone else had this
|> >control and lost it?


	After reading this Group for a while, I decided that I wanted to have
	lucid dreams.

	I couldn't really remember my dreams to start with, and all I did
	was to make a point of making reality checks several times a day.

	I never logged dreams or anything, but after about 2 weeks of doing
	2-3 reality checks a day I started to have lucid dreams.

	I have since stopped the reality checking, and the lucid dreams, or
	at least the  memory of the lucid dreams, have stopped.

	There you have it.

	Cheers,


		RIK


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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: mmaggio@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Leisure Suit Larry Laffer)
Subject: Astral projection or Lucid dreaming?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:31:37 GMT

Ever since I can remember, I was having out of body experiences.  I saw my own
self sleeping in my bed.
I had just passed it off as dreaming...until I read a book on Astral Projection.
Since then I have been able to control the projections and go out of my
body into my body at a future date. (either in or above my body).
These tend to be very accurate but the only bad thing is that I cannot
look at the lottery etc but it is not for persoal gain by my standards. I
have seen myself in strange and even familiar places.  I have 'witnessed' the
death of my current roommate at college and his wife's name, where he lived at
his death, etc.

Am I wrong in deeming this information true?  Is it just hope? or is it just
coincidence?  Is this even projection? or just a weird phenomenon(spelling?)
I would like some explainations please. 

Thank you.

Michael J. Maggio @UIUC

mmaggio@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu

BTW I have tried and cannot witness my own death..if that info helps.
From: bmeyer@wilkins.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Barry Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: tornado dreams
Date: 12 Oct 1992 21:29:05 GMT
Organization: BCM
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wilkins.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu

I had a lucid dream about 3 years ago where my goal was to change the
weather in my dream. I didn't have a set approach like "make it rain" or
"create a thunder storm". Anyway, the initial weather in my dream was
a very sunny day when I became "aware" of the weather. So, I tried for
the oposite (rain maybe). I am standing on a corner and the sky turned gray
and this tornado came right out of it coming straight for me. I turned and
ran to this house and dove over a small, white picket fence and threw my
arms around the trunk of a small tree. I was completely horizontal, holding
on to this tree for dear life. Then it vanished and I fell to the ground
and then awakened. This dream was very scary and very realistic. Maybe
even more so because I was somewhat "aware" at the time.

I am orignally from Wichita Falls, Texas and I saw the tornado that occurred on
April 10, 1979. Fortunately, me and my family were about 4 blocks from
the path of destrcution. But, I think that the image of the tornado that
is permanently "etched" in my mind provided a "blueprint" for the
tornado in my dream.

Also, this is the only "tornado" dream I have had. Maybe I have supressed it?

-- 

Barry
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: Fear of God
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:14:57 GMT

In article <Bvv82y.6Hn@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dviglion@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Dan Viglione) writes:
>
> I'd like to get some ideas about this dream I had 2 nights ago.
> Some of its fuzzy, so bear with me:
>
>	At this point it seemed that all of us were starting to feel something.
>We were all looking at the door.  I was starting to feel afraid.  My
>girlfriend, who was standing closest to the door, whispered, "It's God".  
>The fear in me grew to terror and I remember feeling that maybe it wasn't God.
>But if it was God, I was still terrified, but at the same time a little awed or
>something.  Now I was somehow lying on my back, paralyzed.  I tried calling out
>my girlfriends name but couldn't.  When I say I was scared I mean that this was
>the most terrifying feeling I have EVER had in my life.  At some point I must
>have started to wake because I became aware that I was lying in bed (on my back)

i shouldn't post on friday evenings, after working late in order to enjoy 
this three-day weekend upon us. the first thing i want to say is that
i am indebted to alt.dreams. one of the strangest dreams i've ever
had (that was not directly explainable to a late night movie/meal)
was a dream in which all of my teeth fell out. i had many bad feelings
about this dream, i must be about to die, how horrible, etc. etc.
from reading alt.dreams it turns out this is a very common dream.
what a relief! now THIS. i had a very similar dream. i was in a house
with my sister, when this strange presence was felt in one of the
bedrooms. my sister screamed "It's God". all sorts of panic followed.
i admit i had recently begun studying India and Buddhism and
was going through much doubt/searching. The God dream happened
about a year ago and since then has been a catalyst to put aside
much of my philosophy and immerse whole-heartedly in a different
world view. now it seems this could be another "common" dream.
life is strange. have a good weekend.

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: 0695cs14@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Silicon Vulture)
Subject: Re: How do I dream?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
X-Lunar-Date: 5 days, 20 hours, 54 minutes since the first quarter of the moon
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:41:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.042226.10847@morrow.stanford.edu>,
BL.DKS@forsythe.stanford.edu (WhiteFeather) writes...

>In article <4607@equinox.unr.edu>,
>sprague@unssun.nevada.edu (Joan A. Sprague) writes:

>>    Well this may seem like a stupid question, but how do I dream?  I mean
>> I sometimes have dreams, and they are all very extensive and vivid, but
>> how do I "Force" myself to dream everynight?

>You do dream every night, although you may not remember these dreams
>every morning. There have been some good suggestions from this group
>about learning to remember your dreams. I think it's good to start
>out by having a notebook and pen beside your bed, and before you go
>to sleep, imagine yourself remembering your dreams in the morning.
>Picture yourself writing it down in your notebook.
>When you wake in the morning, just lie there quietly -- and see if
>comes to you. Even if it's in bits & pieces, soon you'll begin to
>remember more.

Excellent advice.  Also carry the same notebook around with you and
write down anything that comes to you later in the morning.  Write
down any fragment (no matter how small) that you remember.  Your
dream recall will slowly improve if you take these steps.  Don't
expect an instant change.  It usually takes me a couple of weeks to
get back in the swing of things (and I have practice).

Good luck.

  |  Silicon Vulture         |  "Uhh . . . that was just a dream  |
  |  0695cs14@dt3.dt.uh.edu  |   wasn't it?"                      |

Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 00:48:38 -0400 
From: "Robert W. Jordan" <rj25+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: tornado dreams

Whenever I have dreams about tornadoes, they scare the hell out of me,
usually because they are headed my way.  Being from Omaha, NE, you'd
think I'd be used to tornado storms, but I am always uneasy when we're
under a warning (But here at CMU in Pittsburgh, there are no
tornadoes!).  Anyway, although I am never hurt in these dreams, I have
had several of them during my life.  It's funny, because the only time
I've seen a real(?) tornado was when I've dreamt about it.

Rob Jordan

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: flying through matter
Keywords: Matter matters.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:12:58 GMT

Several people have described it and now I remember it: that neat soap
bubble feeling as you fly (or walk, or whatever) through solid matter
in a dream.  I find it sort of interesting that although when in a
dream everything should be ghostly, there is a physicalness to
substance.

Although I think I have gone through matter without the sensation as
well.  It may be, that like flying, it depends on how lucid or in
control you are.
 
Hmmmm...
 
                                        Nik
                                      I dream of genie with the 
                                      light brown glare.
From: belkhaya@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mohamed Belkhayat)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: The dream that won't die. . .
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:47:35 GMT
Reply-To: belkhaya@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mohamed Belkhayat)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.dreams, ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis) writes:
>-sz  (Apparently not cool enough to bludgeon someone to death.)
Itsseemsothatwyour trying to face something in your life. May be if
you try not to resist so much the guy will go away. You're resisting
the death of some idea or behavior and the change appears in your dream
as bad guy. Try to look right in this guy's eyes and don't move in your
draem. Better if you can don't be afraid. Just stand there and say I'm
not afraid. Don't beat him don't kill him because you already tried
that.! may the force be with you.!Op
From: preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser)
Subject: Re: Fear of God
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 21:55:03 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center
Reply-To: preiser@cancer.unm.edu

In article <Bvv82y.6Hn@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, dviglion@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Dan Viglione) writes:
>
> I'd like to get some ideas about this dream I had 2 nights ago.
> Some of its fuzzy, so bear with me:
>

<Most of dream deleted>

  Now I was somehow lying on my back, paralyzed.  I tried calling out
>my girlfriends name but couldn't.  When I say I was scared I mean that this was
>the most terrifying feeling I have EVER had in my life.  At some point I must
>have started to wake because I became aware that I was lying in bed (on my back)
>beside my girlfriend.  I still could not move or speak though.  After a short
>time I was finally able to move one of my fingers on my right hand (I had both 
>hands lying on my chest). After this I was able to call out to my girlfriend
>and move my whole body again.

Simple case of REM paralysis here.  When you dream, you can't move (except your
eyeballs).  With some people this takes a few minutes to wear off.  Not to
worry.

>	The fear was still there for a bit, thought not so intense as before; it went away in about 10 seconds after totally awaking.  I told my girlfriend
>about it and then warily tried to go back to sleep.   Sleep came easy and the 
>dream didn't reoccur.
>
>	Sorry it took so long,   but what do you all think??

Good dreams,
Doug.
   Internet: preiser@cancer.unm.edu
   Bitnet:   preiser@unmb                     I do M
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Fear of God
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:58:49 GMT
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs

In article <Bvv82y.6Hn@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dviglion@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Dan Viglione) writes:
>	At this point it seemed that all of us were starting to feel something.
>We were all looking at the door.  I was starting to feel afraid.  My
>girlfriend, who was standing closest to the door, whispered, "It's God".  

i had a similar dream along time ago. it was then i realized that
Theism and the human brain dont mix well and i gave it all up.

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: obes vs. lucid dreams
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:14:54 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

someone said that they think that astral projection is basically the same thing
as lucid dreaming.  i disagree...in a lucid dream, one can construct a scenario
of self-created images, whereas in a real out of body experience, what you see
is what IS, no subconscious interference involved.
while lucid dreaming can be used as a gateway to an out-of-body experience, or
can be the distorted memories of an out-of-body experience, my experiences and 
beliefs suggest that out-of-body experiences are even "more real" (whatever
that means) than lucid dreams...they are different experiences although they
are probably closely related.
i probably ought to have cross-posted this to alt.out-of-body to start a raging
debate there.  oh well.

my $.02

Jude 
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Re: Sex Dreams
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:08:41 GMT

Kathryn writes:

>Can anyone help me understand why I always wake up when I have
>a dream which involves having sex?  Every dream is the same.  I'm
>kissing and getting closer to the man and when we are about to 
>have sex, I wake up! (bummer).

It might be that you're just getting too excited and you wake up!
How this can be avoided (do you want to avoid getting excited in a sex
dream???) I'm not sure...
From: dviglion@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Dan Viglione)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Fear of God
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:47:22 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA


 I'd like to get some ideas about this dream I had 2 nights ago.
 Some of its fuzzy, so bear with me:

	My girlfriend, Me, Alex my dog, and someone else were in my girlfriends
apartment.  The fourth person (someone else) was someone who I believe I was 
supposed to know, but I cannot remember what he (I know it was a he) looked 
like or what his name is ----  I'll call him Bob for simplicity.  My dog
Alex is not really my dog anymore, for my parents made me give him away about
a year ago.  I do get to pick him up every so often on weekends, so its not
like I haven't seen him.  It felt like Bob was some sort of trainer (or 
something like that) for Alex, but I'm not really sure.
	Ok, we were all in the living room/kitchen.  I think we were
playing Ping-Pong because Bob and I had paddles, but there was no table (I also 
think Alex was playing somehow.... don't ask me how, just a feeling).  Anyway,
Bob was sitting on the floor with his arms around Alex.  I served the Ping-Pong
ball to Bob but it curved and flew at Alex instead.  At that point Alex seemed 
to freak out.  He flinched away from the ball, and ran towards me whining and
spinning all around.  He was hunkering down on the rug whining and looking at 
the door (that leads outside).  When I went to comfort him he startled and
almost bit me.  It was like he sensed something around him he was afraid of
and it made VERY jumpy.
	At this point it seemed that all of us were starting to feel something.
We were all looking at the door.  I was starting to feel afraid.  My
girlfriend, who was standing closest to the door, whispered, "It's God".  
The fear in me grew to terror and I remember feeling that maybe it wasn't God.
But if it was God, I was still terrified, but at the same time a little awed or
something.  Now I was somehow lying on my back, paralyzed.  I tried calling out
my girlfriends name but couldn't.  When I say I was scared I mean that this was
the most terrifying feeling I have EVER had in my life.  At some point I must
have started to wake because I became aware that I was lying in bed (on my back)
beside my girlfriend.  I still could not move or speak though.  After a short
time I was finally able to move one of my fingers on my right hand (I had both 
hands lying on my chest). After this I was able to call out to my girlfriend
and move my whole body again.
	The fear was still there for a bit, thought not so intense as before; it went away in about 10 seconds after totally awaking.  I told my girlfriend
about it and then warily tried to go back to sleep.   Sleep came easy and the 
dream didn't reoccur.

	Sorry it took so long,   but what do you all think??
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: c8841288@cc.newcastle.edu.au (CHRISTINA THE BIMBO)
Subject: Re: Dream in a dream...
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:55:44 GMT


When I was young child I had a some 'recursive' dreams, where I would be
dreaming (usually scary) and I wished to wake up. So then I did; but only to
find I was still in another (bad) dream. Often when I 'woke up' I would be
relieved to be out of the nightmare, but when I talked to someone their face
would go all distroted and spastic. Sometimes this would go on for 3 or 4
'levels' of dreams inside one another; some scary, some just uncomfortablly
weird. Eventually all the levels of recursion would unwind (sorry: a  bit a
computer science jargon) and I would find myself really awake, and relieved.

Very strange indeed.

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University of Newcastle, Australia.