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From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: Liquid Fuel Rockets
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:14:11 GMT

In article <9228513.13060@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> farb@ecr.mu.oz.au (William_Cuming FARROW) writes:
>A friend and I are currently in the process of building a liquid fuel rocket
>using H2O2 and hydrazine.  These are loaded into separate syringes and
>injected into the combustion chamber simultaneously using medicsal type
>needles.

You don't want to play with hydrazine.  Really, you don't, especially
considering the rather crude, leaky apparatus you are describing.
Don't take my word for it; look it up in Sax.

Caveat detonator.

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From: Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Night Jumps/Misc.
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:23:48 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

In article <1992Oct9.013024.3478@mercury.cair.du.edu>
tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu writes:

>I'm interested in hearing anyone's night jump stories. I need to do
>two of them, and I don't mind jumping in the dark, but I'm scared to
>land. A few weeks ago I made a jump after sunset, a dusk jump, and
>while I didn't think it was much darker than my first SL jump, I
>landed two feet lower than I thought I was going to, and it hurt.
>My depth perception was horrible. Maybe I just new glasses..

     Unfortunately, if you jump you have to land.  I've thought
about this during winter and/or unintentional water jumps, and
there just isn't any way to avoid it.  :-)

     Loss of depth perception at dusk is normal.  There's not much
you can do about that either.  We usually arrange cars on the DZ
around the target so their headlights can light it up.  This helps,
but it's not nearly as good as daylight - and if you miss the target
area you're right back where you started.  About all you can do is
turn into what wind might be present, set half brakes, and wait for
the ground.  Be prepared to do a PLF.  Check what the wind is doing
before you go so you'll know what to expect.  I wouldn't want to
jump in more than 10-mph winds at night anyway.

     BTW the depth perception problem also applies in free fall and
under canopy.  Be very careful when doing night RW or CRW!  Keep
your approaches slow; it's a real shock to suddenly realize that
you're 15 feet away from someone and closing at 40 mph!  Start
small and work up.

     But night jumps are great!  Be safe, have fun...

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca  NSCR-225  NCCR-74
"I'm cursed with hair from HELL!"  -- Night Court

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From: bdaniels@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Ben Daniels)
Subject: Re: Spotting and Ground Speed
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:14:47 GMT

In article <1150.2AD198B9@ehsnet.fidonet.org> SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE) writes:
>Reply-to: Ted.Harrison@p0.f623.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Ted Harrison)

> r> Then I have to wait until my exit point is 1000 ft upwind of 
> r> theirs.
>
> r> Skratch
>
> This isn't Skratch Garrison, by any chance, who was at
> the first World Ten-Man Meet in Masterton, New Zealand, 
> all those years ago and used to work on orbital mechanics
> at NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab? 
>
> (Or is it Ben Daniels signing off as Skratch?)   |*)

No! It's me - Skratch. I just needed a more standard name when I decided
to try to enter earth society 10 or 12 years ago. I knew it was going to
be hard enough walking into a job interview saying "Hi, my name is Skratch,
and I've been a wild eyed skydiver for 20 years and ... ". And I never
liked the name my parents gave me, so I paid money, did paper work, and
changed it. Now the people at work and the IRS etc think my name is Ben.

Wow! I'm really glad I ran into you here! I'm going to switch over to email
here and ...

	 (sound of two old friends going off to have a few virtual beers ...

		(Shit! Neddy Harrison! After all these years ...

		   (Far fuckin' out, man ...

			  (Usenet comes through again ...

				 ( ...

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From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Parachutist
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:53:17 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <BvpDp1.H6D@virtech.uucp> mark@vti.com writes:

>The thing which annoys me the most is the "letters to the editor"
>section.  Editorial comments are too common in this section.  This
>is the area in which publications allow their readers to comment
>freely without retort.  Read a copy of Time magazine and compare
>the number of editorial comments in that section to the number of
>editorial comments in Parachutist in the same section.

( editors note, the person who submitted this letter is just a dumb
jumper, not a smart administrator like us. He/she should just send
the money and shut up. -ed).


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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: You're dead -- unless you pull (was Re: Tiny Broadwick
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:26:56 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com!

> r> but who knows?!
> r> Note that I am not interested in equipment failure but human failure.
>
>But equipment failure is the only 'real' malfunction.  

 r> I more or less agree with you but the point is that on most cases one
 r> cannot truly be sure.

True.  But we can only dismiss the ones we are sure about.  I said nothing about grey areas.  This doesn't prove one way or the other.

 r> For instance: you twist your belly band and can't pull your hand-deploy.
 r> Some would call that equipment failure as the equipment failed to tell the
 r> user that it was put wrong.

Most would not.  Including Bill Booth.  Arguably the foremost authority on equipment.


 r> When people are asking how safe is the sport, do you think it is fair to
 r> tell them that the equipement rarely fails? 

Yes.

Not if you do not add that
 r> most malfunctions are human errors. Yet those are the ones who kill the
 r> most and hence cannot be ignored.

I didn't say ignored.  Just call them what they are.  Mistakes.

 r> When someone gets killed, someone gets killed. It is academic to say that
 r> his equipment performed well....

I disagree.  To take this to its ultimate conclusion look at this example.  Someone goes in because he never pulled.  Is that a malfunction?  Of his hand deploy for not jumping out of the pouch?  Or maybe his altimeter?  No, the only malfunction here was of the brain.

Bill


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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Night Jumps
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:06:23 GMT

Reply-to: Brian.Dial@p0.f1.n3607.z1.fidonet.org (Brian Dial)
Fido-To: skydive

While the skydiving video subject is up:

    Does anyone know of a good (or one at all) video or other
instructional material on landing accuracy?

                             Brian Dial
                             C-21600
                             Decatur,AL


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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Re: Smoking at 10,000 feet
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 07:04:10 GMT

Cross posted from rec.humor.funny:
 In article <S480.4be4@looking.on.ca>
  gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com (Gordon Berkley) writes:

>I caught this two weeks ago, while flying between O'Hare and NYC:
>
>	"Good afternoon, this is your captain speaking.  I would like
>	to remind you that according to FAA regulations, this flight
>	has been declared a non smoking flight.  If you absolutely
>	must light up, you are invited to step outside."
>
>(Evolution in action?)

Well, if you had your rig with you as carry on luggage, just what you *you*
do?  Might be fun to call his bluff!

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From: drf40@cd.amdahl.com (Daryl Fortney)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Malfunctions
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:26:39 GMT
Reply-To: drf40@cd.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, CA


                     Round                 Square                AAD
Name            Jumps    Mals.          Jumps   Mals.         Saves   Mals.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
FireMarshall      100    99              1250   1248             3    1350
Bill

	Let me tell ya all the things that can go wrong while skydiving... 
Let's say you are in a hurry to eat a tuna sandwich on rye before your
next jump, and you accidently pack your sandwich in your container
instead of the main...  Then lets say its been years since you changed
the battery in your AAD, and your hair gets jammed in the reserve pin. 
Results in a very hard landing kids, let me show ya.
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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Who paraglides here?
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:13:40 GMT

Reply-to: Alex.Curylo@p0.f928.n153.z1.fidonet.org (Alex Curylo)
Fido-To: all

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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Skydiving Video's
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:47:18 GMT

Jim Beutel (beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com) wrote:
: Does any one out there know of any really good VHS
: videos' for rent or purchase...?

Good place to start is ParaGear:

	ParaGear
	3839 W. Oakton Street
	Skokie, IL  60076
	orders:  800-323-0437
	support: 708-679-5905

They have a short list of VHS's, movies, that sort of thing.  The 'wally'
videos are pretty good/funny.  There are instructional ones there too.

Also, a good thing to purchase is the Skydiving Pages.  It lists many
more dz's then Parachutist (international dz's and non-uspa affiliated
dz's).  In addition it lists many manufacturers of various products
(including videos).

	The Skydiving Pages
	PO Box 1520
	DeLand, FL  32721
	904-736-9779

NOTE: I don't work for or stand to make any personal gain from yours
      or anybody's purchase from either company [although I wouldn't
      mind it if I did!  :-) ]

: Found one the other day at Blockbuster Video that was pretty lame...

Out of curiousity, which one was it?  If you're too considerate to
post its name in a public arena, then e-mail me.
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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Greetings!
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:01:41 GMT

SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org) wrote:
: We specialise in Avation, Technology, and Philosophy.

Interesting combination!
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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Anybody paraglide?
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:17:31 GMT

Reply-to: Alex.Curylo@p0.f928.n153.z1.fidonet.org (Alex Curylo)
Fido-To: all

Oops, sorry about that last post.

Anyway, I wanted to ask how many of you skydivers do, or at least have tried
other aerial sports: hang gliding, paragliding, ultralighting, prop-planing,
sailplaning, Top Gunning, whatever. Just for interest's sake.

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu ()
Subject: Re: Jumping in Montana
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 03:54:38 GMT

In article <92284.181835RES140@psuvm.psu.edu> <RES140@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I moving out to Montana in May and I was wondering if there were any good
>places to go to skydive out there.  Being new to the sport and from
>Pennsylvania I am completely unfamiliar with skydiving in that area of the
>country.  I would appreciate any help you could give me.
>
>                                                        Romey

One of the great things about Montana is that it has a Big Sky. This
will become evident after you get there. Check out Lost Prairie, about
35 miles SE of Kalispel. The daily fare includes C182s, but come late 
July-early August, all hell breaks loose. Don't miss it.
I'll be harassing JJ and Robert tomorrow for the video of this year's
boogie, it should be in the mail any day. If you'd like a copy, it's 
only $25.

Have fun, and don't spot over the mountains.
Tim


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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Fast King Air
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:07:51 GMT

Daniel Briggs (dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu) wrote:
: me.  The next criterion would be things like comfort in the cabin, (noise,
: width and height of the cabin), door size and ease of use, floater bars
: and/or lots of handles, speed at jump run, and tail geometry (!).

An otter I used to jump out of operated by FreeFall Express (out of
Gardner, NY: sometimes in Lebanon, ME, sometimes at the Ranch in
Gardner, sometimes down south, and so on) even has individually
volume controlled headsets connected to a CD player in the cockpit.
I always thought it was a pretty relaxing way to get to altitude
[as long as there was no fist-fights over what was going to be played ;^)]
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From: Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Malfunction Rate Poll (was: RE: number of jumps)
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:26:18 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

In article <BELBOZ.92Oct9090620@hoe.frc.ri.cmu.edu>
belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry Brumitt) writes:

>ps. Thank god for freebags too! Every now and then I like to remember
>that having one saved my life, and the life of a friend (nmot on the
>same jump)-- now *there's* a reason to jump a square reserve!
>Comments?

     My free-bag story comes from flying a Cessna 180 with a tandem.
The passenger was a big guy who stood up on the step and mashed the
tandem master up into the wing.  Somehow this popped the reserve.
It all happened so fast that all I knew was that they were gone
sooner than I expected.  Fortunately the tandem master realized what
was happening and left in time for the reserve to pass under the
tail.  I was left there looking at the reserve pilot chute, which
had snagged itself on the handle of the open door.  The bridle cord
and free bag went back OVER the horizontal stabilizer.

     That's when I had time to realize exactly what had happened,
which was good for a rush.  With the pilot chute hooked on the door
handle, they probably would have torn off the door and/or the tail
were it not for that free bag.  As it was, I just unhooked the pilot
chute from the door, reeled in the free bag, and closed the door,
then started down (after sitting and shaking for a minute).  The
tandem had a longer canopy ride than expected, but otherwise was
fine (and they got their free bag back).

     I think free bags are a _really_ good idea... :-)

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
If your nose runs and your feet smell, you're built upside-down.
From: cwebb@cs1.uct.ac.za (CF WEBB)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Still going on about beer !!!
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:20:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town

In article <1992Oct7.004825.5564@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu 
(Daniel Briggs) writes:

>>I don't see the big deal here. At my home DZ the rule is you owe
>>a CASE for things. A case of whatever (liquid prefered). The guy who
>>pays off in a case of gatoraid during the day in the summer is cheered 
>>and thanked as much, if not more, then the guy who brings the case of beer.
>
>Yeah, we basically do the same thing, though I don't know that it's so
>formally stated.  The chant is "case of beer", but in practice when people
>buy a case, it's usually mixed beer and soft drinks.  "Case of something!"
>just doesn't have the same ring to it.  I hadn't thought of a case of
>gatoraide, but it's a good idea.  But the idea is to share a significant
>event with yer buddies.  The non drinkers are rarely left out.
>
I agree fully. What is the big deal. So you've accomplished something or 
you've cocked something up. You want to celebrate or you have to pay for 
your foul deed.

Surely if you can afford three or more jumps on a week-end then once in a 
while you can afford a couple of drinks for your pals at the end of the 
day. What does a case of beers cost anyhow, about the price of a jump ?  
Pack a couple of student rigs if you can't afford it!

"Case of beers!" is just an expresion. At my home DZ (Stellenbosch RSA) 
there are usualy only about ten to fifteen regulars around at the end of the 
day anyway and a whole case isn't even neccessary. No need to buy for the 
aape! (That's South African for students/apes. Pronounced "aah-pe")

I don't mind buying non-drinkers a fruit juice or soft-drink instead of a 
beer, but I could feel less for anyone who has a gripe with others enjoying 
a couple of beers at the end of the day. Let us beer drinkers enjoy our 
simple pleasures in life.

CHEERS  AND  UP  WITH  TRADITION !!! 

P.S. Its time for new philosophy question. (I thought it was daily??)

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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: RE: YOU'RE DEAD -- UNLESS
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:11:11 GMT

Reply-to: Craig.Edon@p0.f35.n280.z1.fidonet.org (Craig Edon)
Fido-To: romulus!lhdsy1.lahabra.ch

RO>   From  romulus!ra.oc.com!news
RO>   From: romulus!lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com!yzarn (Philip Yzarn de Louraille
RO>   To:   ehsnet!skydive
RO>   Date: 30 Sep 92 00:43:10 GMT


RO>   Just for kicks and concerning malfunction rates of main parachutes, why
RO>   don't we all write the number of jumps we have and the number of main
RO>   malfunctions we got so far.
RO>   I doubt that we will be enough to get a statistically significant number
RO>   but who knows?!
RO>   Note that I am not interested into equipment failure but human failure.

RO>                   rounds                                  squares
RO>           #jumps          #mal                    #jumps          #mal

RO>   Philip  50              1                       1200            8
      Craig E  8              0                        147            1


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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Jump Number Statistics
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:55:11 GMT

SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org) wrote:
: Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
: Fido-To: paul stansberry
: 
:  PS> Great, thanks Mark.  However, my number is now up to 21 
:  PS> with 0 mal's.  My wifes is still 16.
: 
: You lucky dog!  I wish I had a wife who was 16
: 
: ;)

Clearly, your wife doesn't have usenet access!   ;^)
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From: bob@pta.pyramid.com.au (Robert Vernon)
Subject: Re: Skydiving Video's
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:18:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.172202.911@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs) writes:
>
>BTW, has anyone seen _Proof_?  I'm told that this is the original short
>that the skydiving scene in _Fandango_ was based on.  How does it stack up
>against the full length version?  I'm told that the skydiving is actually
>"better".

Is that what it was called.  It really does exist?  I was beginning to
think I must have dreamed it.  I saw this about a year after I started
jumping.  Someone threw it on the video unannounced one evening.
Extremely funny as I remember especially the excellent description of a
first jump course.  Rounds with fore and aft of course.  Arch, arch,
arch!

A few years later, I saw Fandango for the first time on TV.  It was a
big surprise seeing the same scenes in the middle of a movie.  It
wasn't as good as I remembered.  The script seemed to be exactly the
same, but I think the original was longer.  I've since seen the
critical scenes from Fandango on many different quality copies.  But I
haven't seen the original since and I don't know anyone who even
remembers it.  Even the ones who I know were there, just remember it as
Fandango.

If anyone knows where I can get a copy of this I'd really love to
know.


Bob V!