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From: pyuaq@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr G S Sutherland)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Silver and werewolves
Date: 20 Nov 1992 15:46:59 -0000
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Summary: Silver is the lunar metal.

In article <1992Nov19.184318.16526@unislc.uucp> stv@unislc.uucp 
(Steve Spencer) writes:

+As was mentioned in another article on this net, silver was not always
+the traditional way of killing a werewolf. I find that most myhts
+have some "reasoning" behind them. And I tend to doubt that silver
+is the real killer of these beasts. So my question is: What was considered
+the magical remedy before? I'm willing to bet it's either some sort 
+of mystical ritual, or some odd concoction made with an "antidote" to
+wolfsbane. Anybody know?
+
+ Steve Spencer	SLC, Utah 	stv@unislc.slc.unisys.com      

Silver would have been connected to the werewolf, since the metal is often
associated with the moon. As you all know, the werewolf too is tied into 
the lunar cycle, and hence no doubt this shared element accounts for its
effectiveness.

Alternativly, the link could be from some other obscure branch of folklore,
otherworld creatures always have certain vunerabilities, eg the Sidhe of 
Irish folklore were vunerable to iron, although the reason for this is never
fully explained.

		Graeme Sutherland.
From: tombrady@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (Tom Brady)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: more questions
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:55:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <mlharley.722000354@unix1.tcd.ie>, mlharley@unix1.tcd.ie (Kubik) writes...
>What do you call an "ideal Werewolf" ???

Um, housebroken?

-Tom
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From: parmst@eos.ncsu.edu (Paul Armstrong, IV)
Subject: Things in General about Werewolves
Originator: parmst@c00384-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: Were-, lupine
Reply-To: parmst@eos.ncsu.edu (Paul Armstrong, IV)
Organization: NCSU
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:48:04 GMT




   Greetings all,
      Glad to see that this group was finally created.  A few  
   points I'd like to mention are:

   1. Werewolf books and Movies/TV
   2. Were- legends
   3. Ways of becoming a were-thing



   1. There are quite a few good werewolf books out there that you 
      just have to hunt down.  Some in my collection are

           The Wolf's Hour- authored by McCammon?

           The Wereling

           The Werewolf's Tale - R. Jacoomba(sp?) excellent if you like 
           The Werewolf's Revenge- pulp style fiction and H.P. Lovecraft

           Wolf Isle

       I have a file somewhere  with the titles of some other books, e-mail
       me if you are interested. As to books and movies American Werewolf in
       London and the orginal Howling are good.  If you can find any taped 
       copies of "Werewolf" the TV show produced by FOX a few years ago, I
       highly recommend it(decent story and effects).

    2. As for legends about were-creatures, just go to your library and look.
       There are stories from all over the world and just about every culture.
       Some of my favorites are Were-bears(Scandinavian areas), were-tigers(
       India) and the Were-Fox(Japan).  Also, check some stories about witch-
       craft and shamanism.

    3. As someone posted  earlier there are an almost infinite number of ways
       of becoming your favorite were-thing. A few are

           Magic- Witches, warlocks, shamans, blacksmiths(yes them too) and
           deals with the Devil.

           Potions/skins/salves- The potions and salves were usually given
           to someone who for what ever reason was becoming a werewolf.  Most
           contained some potent drugs and the person would drink or rub the
           salve on his or her skin and then put on a belt orskin of the animal.           
           Also, some used fake claws to add to the effect.(i.e. the Leopard men
           of Africa). 

           Being bitten

           Sleeping under the full moon

           Being Ex-communicated - anyone who was ex-communicated was thought 
           to be evil and therefore was probably in league with the devil.

           herbs or flowers 

           Drinking Water from a wolfs pawprint - quite a few wolfs had rabies
           and transmitted the virus by licking their paws.  Water would fill the
           pawprint and ....

           Being Cursed

           Heredity

   Well, I hope this will answer some questions, email me if not.


                                                  Paul Armstrong, IV
                                                  parmst@eos.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Who is more powerful?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: all
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:35:13 GMT

troll@sug.org  writes:
> In article <b8lq+4k@lynx.unm.edu> haro@triton.unm.edu (..KANEDA..) writes:
> >Who is more powerful, both mentally and physically, a wearwolf or a vampire?
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >
> 
> Over all, I would have to say a vampire.  Taken as absolutes, the two
> are very similar:
> 
> Both are nearly invulnrable, save to a select group of weapons.
> 
> Both have preternatural strength.
> 
> Admittedly, a werewolf might have innate animal cunning and sheer
> savagery on its side.  I also might allow that the werewolf is
> stronger - although I'm not convinced of this.
> 
> However, vampires have intelligence and are tool users, two things
> which give humans the advantage over animals, no matter how strong or
> quick that animal is.  Also, vampires have metamorphic powers (into
> rat, mist, wolf), hypnotic powers, and a host of other abilities which
> werewolves do not.
> 
> Alex
Perhaps, but werewolves don't need them...If the were has its full intellect
even when changed, than it could hunt down the vamp (if there was a feud) in
the day (when vamps are *more* vulnerable [please assume that sunlight is not 
the "kill-all" that Hollywood has led us to believe]), and the were could use
both of its forms, helping to keep a reasonable amount of anonymity.

-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
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From: stv@unislc.uucp (Steve Spencer)
Subject: Werewolves, and self conrol
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:31:53 GMT


Question all, 
How much control does a werewolf have over themself? 
I mean we are always seeing werewolves try to "stop" the change,
and many of them are successful in slowing it down. Could a werewolf
(or were creature for that matter) learn to control its changes?
Could the werewolf "will" itself to become the beast in times of need?
And could the person "somewhat" control the beast. For instance, could
the person "will" themself to change into the beast, while conciously
thinking "attack the big man in the red jacket"? Whadda ya think?


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
| It's the sputter of a raindrop. It's the sunlight on my face |
| My mind's eye into other realms. It's my paradise escape.    |
| Steve Spencer	SLC, Utah 	stv@unislc.slc.unisys.com      |
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: tolsen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Tanya Ann Olsen)
Subject: The Werewolf Principle
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 04:30:33 GMT

The Werewolf Principle really doesn't have much to do with werewolves.  It
is based on as it says, the principle of lycanthropy.  I can't say much more
without posting major spoilers for the book.  It is an excellent book by
the way, but don't go reading it expecting anything like the standard
horror, werewolf tale cause it's not even horror or fantasy...just good
sci-fi.

Tanya Olsen
From: branwen@sage.cc.purdue.edu ( )
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Werewolf copulation
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:48:11 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


      Check out The Howling...the very first one.  It has a werewolf orgy.
Very interesting because it starts out in human form and transformation
occurs during the sex.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 13:40:43 CST
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: PLEASE?
 <92325.135359U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> <20NOV199220441195@trentu.ca>

In article <20NOV199220441195@trentu.ca>, tsullivan@trentu.ca (The OTHER One
True God) says:
>
>In article <92325.135359U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
>writes...
>>Terrence Wilcze, Vampire.
>
>  It has been interesting and humourous to follow your rantings on both
>alt.vampyres and here, but I think it's about time for you to cut your
>caffene intake by about 80% or so. Oh, and I think you've read The Vampyre
>Chronicles a few too many times.
I've read the Vampyre Chronicles only once.  In fact, I've only read the
Vampire Lestat, and annoyances such as these petty were-wannabe's constantly
intrude upon my ability to even start the Queen of the Damned, who I'll be
the husband of if I shall sit idly back and allow some fool to become some
uncontrollable demon-thing that keep sprouting up on full moons.
As to the comment about caffine intake, you're speaking to a creature who
metabolizes blood.  I only have as much caffine as the person I drink from.
(Perhaps I shouldn't have taken a nip out of that policewoman.  All that
donut sugar and coffee doesn't settle well in my body.
>  You  state as fact your personal theories (if you can call them that)
That is what they are, personal theories from personal experiences.  Are you
implying that I would lie to these people, or to you?  As to the dragon's
blood theory, that is second hand legend knowledge, even though I have
met dragons with similar abilities when I spent a few years back in the
orient.
>about the Werebeings and the "Kindred"/"Children"/Whatever (names given by
>fiction authors) but it remains that you can spit and shout and type all
>you want, but no one takes you seriously. I'd love to take you seriously,
>drop by for a bite, and then I'll believe you. Til then, perhaps you should
>end this charade and take up writing (you're quite eloquent, in a
>stereotypical, fictionous, Lestat sort of way)...
I write this way in defference to that's how I've been writing for the past
hundred or so years.  However, my language, though flowery in my writings,
is a little more modern, even though I tend to be eloquent with the women.
>
>   Tim Sullivan
>   tsullivan@trentu.ca
>   cstes@blaze.trentu.ca
Hmmm.  Trent university, California.  I won't be travelling there any time
soon, but perhaps one of my acquaintences might speak with you.  I do believe
I shall phone Adam over the weekend.  I'm certain that an encounter with
him will show you that there are more things on heaven and Earth than you
care to know about.
>
>A Disclaimer? Yeah, and people BELIEVE what I write, too...
Douglas has told me that I should put this at the end of my writings...

;-)= (he calls it a vampire smiley).
>---
> "Virtual Reality has NOTHING on Calvin."
>       - Suzy, from Calvin and Hobbes
>
Terrence Wilcze, Vampire.


Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: dido@coli.uni-sb.de (Doris Diedrich)
Subject: Re: Hello
Organization: U of Saarbruecken, Dept. of Computational Linguistics
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:17:06 GMT

gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:

>Hi! My name is Gard, and I'm not quite sure if I'm from Mars or if
>I am a werewolf. Can anyone help?

I am shur you are a Marsian. Cause Werewolfes know what they are.
AAAOOOOUUUUUUUUU
 
Greatings
  Doris
From: parmst@eos.ncsu.edu (PAUL  ARMSTRONG, IV)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: One more time....
Keywords: werebeasties
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:02:19 GMT
Reply-To: parmst@eos.ncsu.edu (PAUL  ARMSTRONG, IV)
Organization: NCSU
Originator: parmst@c00507-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu





     Greetings once again all, I looked up the origins of the
     the word "lycanthropy" and here goes.  In old Greek myth-
     ology an ancient king named Lykan(spellings vary) was to 
     be visited by the gods and prepared for them a huge feast.
     In order to offer his best he killed his son and added him  
     to the meal.  During the meal, the gods discovered his deed
     and cursed him, causing him to take on animal form(usually 
     interpreted to be a wolf). 

     Also, as I posted earlier, silver was NOT a part of the 
     original legend.  It was added by Hollywood for dramactic 
     effect.  And, check out other were- legends form around the 
     world, they are very interesting.

                                               Paul Armstrong, IV
                                               parmst@eos.ncsu.edu 
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: dm841861@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Devin Moss)
Subject: Re: Good werewolves/bad werewolves - a question ?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:17:39 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <Bxyu01.LMu@informatik.uni-muenchen.de>, bachmann@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Theo Bachmann) writes:
|> 
|> Keywords:good werewolf, bad werewolf, blood
|> 
|> 
|> There is no such thing as a bad werewolf. Humans just call us evil or as
|> mentioned in another article `bad`, because they don`t understand our nature.
|> Unlike them, we do not try to control our nature, called `beast` by the fools.
|> So we live in a deeper harmony than humans do and ever will. They just try to
|> master everything - especially themselves.
|> The killing of our prey (ah, humans) is not to feed, but an attempt to stop the
|> humans from destroying our enviroment...
|> 
|> 
|> 
    This thinking is directly from the White Wolf game, Werewolf, the Apocalypse.
	I'm surprised you didn't mention the Wyrm.  I hope you're joking, or else
you're taking a role-playing game WAY too seriously.



-- 
===============================================================================
Devin D. Moss/ dm841861@longs.lance.colostate.edu
Dept. of Chemical Engineering,Colorado State U, Ft. Collins CO
USA, North America, Sol III, Sector 001

"Science Fiction is an escape- into reality" Issac Asimov (1920-1992)

Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Werewolves, and self conrol
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:40:14 GMT

While the were may not have complete control, major threats (the man in the
red jacket) would still be in the were's mind, and attacked accordingly.

-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: troll@sug.org (A. Newman)
Subject: Re: FULL MOON
Organization: Sun User Group
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:40:00 GMT

In article <BxvnEL.205@javelin.sim.es.com> wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>Hi, my name is wade and i'm a werewolve.
>-- 

Four yeers agoo I coldn't evan spel werewolve, and now I are wun.
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Werewolf copulation
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:17:05 GMT

In article <1ea5olINNad4@phakt.usc.edu> tgoodman@phakt.usc.edu (Theodore Goodman) writes:
>
>  I am working on a werewolf story and a question on werewolves has crossed
>my way.  How do werewolves copulate?  Missionary position?  Rear-entry (ie,
>doggy-style)?  And how would a werewolf rape a human?  I figured that
>individuals who are just beginning to turn werewolf would tend toward human
>instincts for such things, while completely-turned werewolves would tend toward
>-- 
>  Theodore Goodman / tgoodman@usc.edu

It would seem to me that if a werewolf were to copulate, it would copulate with
only other wolves and only during its wolf form. In human form it would
copulate with only humans. I doubt that either forms retain any of the
habits or characteristics of the other (except the obvious - if you cut its
hand off, etc.). I think the last thing on the werewolf's mind if it approaches
a human is sex. No matter how attractive the victim might be, they all look
the same after you've ripped them apart with your claws and teeth. Naturally
those who are werewolves permanently I would guess would remain with the wolves
and have nothing to do with humans except for a meal or two (wouldn't they head
for the nearest pack of wolves and stay with them instinctively?).

philip


Philip Wang
E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Though many a tortured night prevails thy Exorcisms shall but fail
While Crucifix doth burn my flesh I shall not yield to you unless I Die."
From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Top Ten Reasons to Have a Werewolf for a Pet
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:36:53 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


From the home office in Wolf Point, Montana:

10. Needs no pet license, walkies, or litter box
 9. Sensitive friends unlikely to be allergic to werewolf
 8. Werewolf can get outside job and pay part of rent
 7. No special bedding required, unlike vampire
 6. A good conversation starter at parties
 5. Weapons carried by typical burglar ineffective
 4. As long as you have neighbors, no need to worry about feeding
 3. Easy to fool landlords who have a "no pets" policy
 2. If landlord not fooled, werewolf can eat landlord
 1. Never lose annual "Biggest Dog in Town" contest again
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618
From: rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M. Romanowski)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Information
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:10:11 GMT
Organization: UB

ean@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Ed Naratil) writes:


>Well, I guess it's time to add my two cents worth of information
>on werewolves.  Yes, it IS true! Werewolves DO exist!  As my
>Hungarian heritage taught me - when the moon is full, the children
>of the night roam.

>+------------------------+---------------------------------------------------+
>!  ean@gvl.Unisys.COM    !  "He who is bitten by a werewolf, and lives,      !
>!                        !   becomes a werewolf himself."                    !
>! ICBM  40.125N 75.518W  !         Maria Ouspenskaya  ("The Wolf Man" 1941)  !
>+------------------------+---------------------------------------------------+

	Ok, what about the physiology of this transformation?
	Was it your understanding that the body dematerialized, rather
like a medium dematerializing to manifest ectoplasm?

	Have you head of the warrior-shamans who astrally projected as
wolves in order to fight --- and that the damage done to them sometimes 
showed on their physical bodies?  The easiest proof of a werwolf is that
"Well, I hit the wolf in the ribs, and there's Stan with a scratch of
just the same shape, and that Northron bastard never DOES wear a crucifix"
--to the minds of some of my forebears, at least.
Luck
Rick
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Ways of becoming a werewolf
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:05:42 GMT

rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu  writes:
> ll24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Larry Lyle) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 	Unquestionably ritual uses of wolf skins existed.  But consider
> the berserkers.  It is possible to alter the skin so that one may be
> burnt without suffering damage.  Why not increase its hairiness?
> 
> 	Calling Dr. Urrassenkreis ...
> Luck
> Rick

How familiar are you with being in a state of single-minded aggression?
The fact that the berserkers were not concerned with trivial matters (like
the torch being shoved in the way of his enemy) is likely to explain their
"immunity" to fire and even minor wounds...adrenaline is wonderful that way.

-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: bwood@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bill the hound of baskervilles)
Subject: Re: 2 questions
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:15:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.190225.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>, jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes...
>Okay -- two things:
> 
>1. Does anybody know of any good werewolf novels/short stories/magazines etc.?
>(I guess it would have been easier to just say literature but oh well.)
> 
>2. Does anyone have any solid reason to beleive that werewolves exist?
> 
>-Jordan



<*>  I am a werewolf, an I just wanted the world to know it.  You 
don't have to 'fear' me!  You will ultimately 'feed' me!  So please,
try to get some sleep, and know that I'll be waiting for you at the
foot of your bed.  Best Wishes, and sweet dreams!
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: lbranden@ravel.udel.edu (Lisa Ca Brandenburg)
Subject: tw show
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:32:30 GMT


Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: haro@triton.unm.edu (..KANEDA..)
Subject: What ever happened to...?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 05:28:44 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: all

What ever happened to that old series WEARWOLF? 
It was a made for TV movie, then a series.
Some kid who had to sever the blood line, and some bounty hunter who carried a 
Winchester with silve bullets was after him.
A Frank Mancuso JR. show.

What ever happened in the last episode?

Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: The ideal werewolf
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:03:40 GMT

In article <Bxx7Bx.JDE@world.std.com>, troll@sug.org (A. Newman) writes:
> 
> Since it's a fantasy, I probably shouldn't analyze it too much, but
> you haven't created an ideal werewolf, you've described an ideal, that
> happens to be a werewolf.  It's a superhero.  It's a demigod.  There
> are some things that make werewolves what they are.  There is some
> variation, but all werewolves have one or two common, underlying
> themes.  One of them is that being a werewolf is not a joy.
> 
> Alex
> troll@sug.org
Exactly. It's a *fantasy*. Maybe I should have said "*my* ideal..." instead of
"*the* ideal...". I'm not saying that this is what they are. I'm saying it's
what I would like them to be. I don't *know* what they are. Do you? What is
your source for the statement, " One of them is that being a werewolf is not a
joy"? 

By the way -- I'm not trying to attack what you're saying -- it might have come
off that way.:)
-Jordan
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: troll@sug.org (A. Newman)
Subject: Re: Songs about werewolves
Organization: Sun User Group
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:55:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.221425.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>We had to go through this on alt.horror.cthulhu....
>
>Heard any good werewolf songs lately?
>
>My vote goes for "The Howl" by Samhain.
>
>Yours under the full moon,
>--Semhaza

What?! Not 'Werewolves of London' by Warren Zevon? ;-)

Alex
troll@sug.org
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