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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Re: Chargers 2nd pre-season game
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:22:56 GMT

In article <36897@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>SAN DIEGO 20  PATRIOTS 10
>
>Typical pre-season game. Gagliano started. He looked pretty good.
>But then, it was the Patriots defense. And he had the running game
>going. Butts looked very good, as did Harmon and Bienemy. It was
>quite funny watching Butts carry Patriot DBs for a ride whenever 
>they got hold of him.

	Can any San Diego fans tell me if Marion will get the most playing
    this season? Or will he be sharing the load with Bernstien? I have him
    as a fantasy football player, and wonder if he'll play enough, for me to
    play him. Thanks all.

							Mark Gresbach
							GO VIKINGS!
From: patrick@sequent.com (Patrick Roddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: MUSGRAVE SUCCESS W/NINERS
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:54:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

I was told that Bill Musgrave, ex Oregon Duck QB, made quite an
impression during his last appearance going 9-9, 2 TD's. Does it
look like the NINERS will hang onto  him. I am sticking to my guns
in saying that following Joe Montana through his early years and
watching Bill at U of O, I see many, many similarities. If anyone
down in the Bay area has some insight, I would greatly appreciate it.

NINERS GOIN' BACK TO THE SHOW..........HO HUM
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:03:57 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <14AUG199201145037@numep2.phys.nwu.edu>, todd@numep2.phys.nwu.edu (Todd Pedlar) writes...

>In article <65913@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes...
>> 
>>I'm just curious as to what the opinions are out there as to the absolute
>>SINGLE worst rule the NFL currently has.  There are some pretty bad ones out
>>there.  IMHO, the worst has to be the rule allowing a penalty to be called
>>on a home team for "excessive crowd noise."  I always thought that was to
>>be encouraged and was part of the home field advantage.  What do you guys
>>think the worst is?
> 
>I have to agree with you on crowd noise (of course coming from Seattle, I
>suppose I must).  The crowd has to be able to let it all out - this isn't
>golf...  Another rule, though, that I would put up on the block is the
>rule against post score celebrating.  Sure, one should be penalized for 
>spiking the ball at someone, but that can be called unsportsmanlike 
>conduct.  Let 'em dance a little!  Just as long as they don't delay the
>game, it doesn't hurt anybody.  

I don't like this rule either.  In fact, I might go so far as saying 
that the fact that the NFL thinks it's necessary is an indication of 
the deterioration of our society in general.  The NFL instituted this 
rule because some players couldn't handle losing.  No amount of 
celebration is justification for starting a fight.  You are always 
responsible for your own actions.

This doesn't mean I condone unsportsmanlike behavior such as spiking 
the ball at someone after you score off them.  In fact, I thought Tim 
Harris' Six-shooter thing was out of line.  I'm a major Packer fan but 
if I was the coach I would have told him to make sure he's well away 
from the QB before he started it.  If he couldn't do that I would have 
made him knock it off entirely.

At the risk of sounding like an old fogey (again) I'm going to add 
that I'll bet Vince wouldn't have stood for this kind of stuff.  (I'll 
bet Hallas wouldn't have either.)

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

"I've got the best diet coach in the world."
                       - Jerry Kramer on Vince Lombardi
From: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: EAGLES trade?
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:11:48 GMT
Reply-To: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
NNTP-Posting-Host: bagheera.east.sun.com

>> The trade mentioned earlier (Noonan from the Cowpokes) would be a good one,
>> but interdivision never get made.  Teams are afraid of making opponents 
>> stroger.

>Yeah, good for the Cowboys not the Eagles.  There is no way the Eagles
>will get rid of All-Pro cornerback Eric Allen.  And especially not with
>Ben Smith out on the other corner.

Speaking of Ben Smith, how is his knee rehab going? I'm stuck up here in
Patriots land (ugh) and don't get much Eagles news.

-Bennet
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: NEED: Dolphin Tix
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:55:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.122059.1@pomona.claremont.edu> cpeterson@pomona.claremont.edu writes:
>I will be getting married in December and my fiance and I are big Dolphins
>fans.  Is there anyone out there who could get us some tix for the December
>20th game in Miami, as we plan to spend our honeymoon in Florida?
>
>Please e-mail any responses to me at:
>	cpeterson@pomona.claremont.edu
>
>I would REALLY appreciate any help you can provide to make our honeymoon even
>more extra special.
>
>Thank you in advance,
>Camille Peterson.

If Joe Robbie Stadium is anything like the Orange Bowl used to be you can show
up 5 minutes before kick off and buy just about any seat in the house. At least
it used to be that way. Don't know if the move closer to Broward brought any
more people to the games though. If so you might have to buy your tickets around
71 hours before the game. That's when all the "not-so-die-hard" Dolphans buy their
tickets, when they realize it won't be televised. When I lived there I went to
every home game for 10+ years, never could stand the "bandwagon fans". I even
went to games on those rare occasions when there was rideable surf on Miami Beach.
Now that is "DIE-HARD" 8~) . Oops, surfs up, guess I'll miss yet another 9er
game :~) .

John T.
-- 
My opinions only, if you don't like `em don't read `em. 
Hurricanes and Dolphins, my favorite weather phenomena and aquatic mammals, oh
and also my favorite football teams. And remember to always genuflect in Shula's
presence and to kiss his Super Bowl Rings. .........John "Dolphinatic" Turman
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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:09:36 GMT

In article <Aug19.162521.27235@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko) writes:
>
>I would like a list of Heisman trophy winners and the teams they play on.
>Only active players would be nice.  All I can think of is the following:
>
>     Desmond Howard      Washington  (??????)
>     Hershel Walker      Philadelphia
>     Marcus Allen        Raiders
>     Ron Brown           Raiders
>     Ty Detmer           ????????
>
>
>any others you can think of ??????

How about 
	Barry Sanders 	  Detroit.


And just think all you Packer Fans, you passed on Barry for Tony Mandarich.
Well, I guess its better than giving up 6 draft picks... :)
							
							Mark Gresbach
							GO VIKINGS!
From: Mark_Ward@mindlink.bc.ca (Mark Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: BBS Fantasy software
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:53:36 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Does anyone out there know of any fantasy sports software that will run from a
bbs. I am planning on using Galacticom's Major BBS. Any help would be
appreciated.

                          Mark Ward
                          Fantasy Sports junkie
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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Sunday, 16 Aug 1992 23:13:03 EDT
From: <3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: ?Vikes,Lions,Houston,Atlanta

The Lions are weak in the offensive line with the loss of Utley &
Andolsek.  There are still some holdouts: Blades for one. Andre
Ware had a rough night in the Preseason opener.  Best looking guy
is Colon either a Plan B or free agent.  He is a defensive back --
had an interception for a touchdown.  They seem to be high on him.
Check out tomorrow night, I think their game with the Bills will be
televised nationally.  Back to that offensive line Glover (?) I think
is a holdout.  Lomas Brown was the only starter.  The Houstaon game was
played poorly.  (If this follow-up does not turn out right, I'll get
 the etiquette together next time.)
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:42:55 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
	<vamplew.713672417@probitas>

>Now all we have to do is get rid of the anti-celebration rule!

agreed on that one! Only time celebration should be a penalty is if you
spike the ball into somebody's face or body on the opposing team......

--Vernon.
From: skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Irvin/Dolphins-cowboys
Date: 12 Aug 1992 13:51:52 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

In article <0NmDPB2w164w@jwt.UUCP> bbs-jazzyjay@jwt.UUCP writes:
 >Hey.. do any of you know why Michael Irvin didn't dress out for the 
 >Dolphins/Cowboys game?  i was there and he didnt play a single down.. nor 
 >did he enter the field.. just wondering..
 > 
 > 
 > bbs-jazzyjay@jwt.uucp

Maybe it's because he has been a hold-out since camp started :-)

Go Cowboys !!!!

tim


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From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Vikings info??
Keywords:  Vikings, information, tickets
Organization:  Me, myself, and I
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:25:15 GMT

Hi, folks...

As a die-hard Vikings fan who was fallen upon hard times, I haven't had too  
many opportunities to check up on my team.  All I know is that they blew away
Buffalo in the pre-season opener 24-3.  Does anyone have any info on roster
situations, training camp news, schedule, and tix information??

Does anybody else care??

Well, I for one would like to catch the Vikes in action at least once this
year, and I need the schedule and tix info to do so.

Could someone either post this, or email it to me??  Much appreciated!!  :)

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu
From: den@cci632.cci.com (Dennis J. Buttery)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:23:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Aug12.171955.5358@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.141826.11171@colorado.edu>, davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>> Nothing is more frustrating than getting screwed by a bad call that would
>> obviously be overturned by the replay.  I'd rather have the little delay a
>> few times a game than lose on a bad call.
>
>The concept of instant replay is a good one - the referees are human and
>make mistakes so let's review their decisions and correct the wrong ones.
>But the implementation was terrible - allow other humans with no
>refereeing experience to review the decisions.
>
>And it was more than a little delay a few times per game.  It was a long
>delay on numerous occasions.  And the replay official is not guaranteed
>to make the right call.  One replay official will rule inconclusive while
>another would have overturned the same call.
>
>Perhaps the NFL will come up with a better way to implement it, but as it
>was it sucked.
>
>Joe Dakes
>AT&T Microelectronics
>555 Union Boulevard
>Allentown, PA  18103
>alux2!jmd



IMHO, The best way to handle the IR rule would be to give each time a limited
number of replay requests (3 per half, perhaps?) and when they're gone they're gone!!  This is obviously similar to the timeout rule and would work the same way.  At least this way, the coaches will have to decide if they really want to
bother having a call replayed or not.
 
                                            -DJB-
From: mgustafs@bomber.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: FANTASY POLL (draft) REPRIVE
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:42:35 GMT


Just to point out a couple of things regarding my previous posting:

This is a league where points per team are accumulated by touchdowns
as well as yards gained (thrown by a QB or gained by a RB).

It is also utilizing a 17 man roster, yet submitting only about half 
that many for "game day" (so, 1 QB, 3 RB's, 1 K... etc).

Soooooooooo.... just to clarify,

Thanks,
Mark

mgustafs@desoto.prime.com

==============================================================================

Article 23139 in rec.sport.football.pro:
From: mgustafs@bomber.prime.com
Subject: FANTASY POLL (draft)
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:51:34 GMT

I am entering my first season in an 8-team fantasy football league. I would liketo conduct a poll to guage my ideas for my draft strategy/preperation with thoseof you who are regular subscribers and contributors to this news-group. Draftingin general is old hat to me being in a fantasy baseball league for the past ten
years. So I understand basic draft preperation... etc. Please take a moment to
reply directly to me if you wish. I'll post some of your ideas, thoughts and
suggestions at the end of the month.


DRAFT SITUATION
===============

Being in a league of only 8, I am guarenteed a first-round pick certain to be the
back-bone of my team.


POLL QUESTION
=============

Who would you take in that first round? Knowing that there will be a quality QB
available, is this the position you would draft from first? Why?


Send all replies using the e-mail address listed below, please.

Thanks,

Mark

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: No Draft Next Year?!
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:09:36 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Aug18.184157.2531@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes...

>gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:
> 
>>A draft after the expiration of the contract is just as legal as
>>before, since those being drafted never signed the contract. 
> 
>I am afraid that you don't know what you're talking about.  It has
>been stated again ang again, by people more versed in sports labor law
>than you and me, that without a new CBA, next year's draft will be
>very easily challenged in court.

Yeah, that's without a new collective bargaining agreement.  The thing 
is that there almost certainly will be a new CBA next year.  And 
players coming out of college can be forced to follow it.  If you want 
to work on the line at GM you *have* to join the UAW and you *have* to 
follow their rules.

PS. I thought the players union recertified shortly after the 
decertification.  Am I wrong?  They had to have some entity 
representing them to sign the current CBA.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

"If there's something wrong with the computer, it's sophisticated diagnostics 
will notify you of the situation by assuming an appearance that, for the most
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From: imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:51:24 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <92227.111410ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>In article <Bsz96t.K5t@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca
>(IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper) says:
>>
>>It's a tie. The first is sudden death overtime. Both teams should get equal
>>number of possessions in overtime until one wins.
>
>     Why is sudden death so bad?  I think it's a lot more exciting... And
>neither team actually winds up with a distinct advantage (I saw a graphic
>during an overtime a couple of seasons ago that pointed out that the team
>that received the overtime kickoff had scored first 51% of the time)...
>
>Brett

Sudden-death encourages caution. If you receive the opening kickoff in OT, 
you don't want to make any turnovers BECAUSE it is sudden-death and a mistake
can cost you the game. Thus, you get boring, predictable, safe offence -- and
less aggressive defence, because the defensive team doesn't want to get burned
either.

The best solution would be either the same number of possessions for each team,
or (a solution tested in the WLAF) a team must win by six or more points, to 
discourage safe field goal kicking. (Either a touchdown or two field goals 
would win it.)

Peter Brown
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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: The Trade Rumors
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:27:28 GMT

In article <1707@hydra.bucknell.edu> jacobson@arcturus.tmc.edu (douglas jacobson GR) writes:
>In article <oeWGVMS00Uh7M2VUgL@andrew.cmu.edu> tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Harris Fletcher) writes:
>>How about this one....
>>
>>Ken O'Brien to the Chargers?
>>
>>Todd
>
>You can have him. :-)
>
>But seriously, I was thinking about this the other day, but decided it
>won`t happen.  The main reason is that the Jets need Kenny O this
>year; he's the only qb they have with any real experience, and who
>knows if Browning Nagle is ready to step up and be the starter?
>
>Even if the Jets did want to trade him, they'd have to sign him first.
>But like I said, I'd be *very* surprised to see the Jets even
>entertain trading O'Brien, especially with the rate qb's are going
>down lately. 

This morning's paper suggested the Dolphins might trade Secules or
Mitchell for San Diego's nose tackle. I forget the nt's name.

Tony (go new england) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
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From: john@porta.b24a.ingr.com (John Nolin)
Subject: Where is Herman Moore?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:50:12 GMT

I haven't seen or heard anything about Detroit's receiver Herman Moore. 
Anyone have any info on his whereabouts and status?


1.  Worship Mora.
2.  Now.

-John Nolin-
GEAUX SAINTS!
GO FISH!
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:47:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.172227.27074@uwm.edu> melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill) writes:
>>Lewis Billups was responsible for the only Packer score.  He 
>>intercepted a Nagle pass and returned it for a TD.  But it was Billups 
>>that was beat on the Jets long TD pass I mentioned and he also was 
>>called for pass interference.
>>
>  Hmm, not really that important, but I believe it was Holmes, #44
>  who was burned badly on that TD pass. I may be mistaken tho. But
>  I'm pretty sure it was Holmes.
>
   You're right, it was Holmes that got beat. He also got beat for a
   short TD pass in the game. It looks like Billups is in to me.

   --salty

   p.s. Was anyone else pissed that Detmer didn't get a shot to play?
   If they keep that bum Tomcazk over him, I won't be too happy. Too
   short??? Not a strong enough arm??? Anybody with about 55 NCAA records
   and the only QB to have his team beat Miami in the past two years
   must have done something right!!!

>							Mark Gresbach
>							GO VIKINGS 92!
>


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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR CHRISTAIN PLAYERS
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:41:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.203930.26635@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> netnews@porthos.cc.bellcore.com (USENET System Software) writes:
>|>>Some Christian players are/were:  Jeff Hostetler
>|>>                                  Mike Singletary
>|>>                                  Roger Staubach
>|>Former Seahawk Steve Largent; he's also very active in Young Life in Tulsa.
>|>also, Joe Gibbs. (OK, he's a coach, I admit it.)
>|>-- 
>|There are several Redskins who would be considered "Christian"
>|players.  Art Monk comes to mind immediately.  And Darrell Green.  
>From: wgb3@pyuxf.uucp (25337-buoni)
>Path: pyuxf!wgb3
>
>Don't leave out the Minister Of Defense Reggie White!!!!

Barry Sanders is a Christian as well.  When he first signed with the Lions,
he received a $2 million signing bonus.  He promptly tithed 10% to his
hometown church (thats $200,000 for you Art majors ... ;-) )

Additionally, Barry has gone on record as saying he will remain a virgin
until he gets married.  Even if you are not a Christian, it is easy to respect
Barry's the dedication to his faith.

Thad Crews
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Trade Rumors
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:36:04 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Aug11.130518.11942@europa.asd.contel.com> brian@intercon.com (Brian Lichorowic) writes:
>Here's what I hear:
>
>Colts- Looking for a Running Back that can do 20 - 30 carries a week
>
>-Anthony Thompson of the Cardinals has said he'd like to be traded ASAP and , 
>being a Indiana guy, would like to play in Indy.  Colts fans have vocally 
>supported going after the former 1990 Cardinal # 1 pick.

Question.  During MNF's Saints-Bears game, while watching the impressive
running of Vaughn Dunbar, one of the guys (Frank?) commented that Dunbar
was the first "ball-handler" from IU to be drafted in the first round
since some Joe Blow from the 60's.  So then was Anthony Thompson a
1st-rounder?  What he just the Cards' first pick (may not have been 1st
round)?  Supplemental draftee?


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From: wgb3@pyuxf.uucp (25337-buoni)
Subject: EAGLES trade?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:13:23 GMT

Any good trade rumours going round (besides the FAT fridge) to help beef up
the EAGLES defensive line?  They really need someone who can stuff the run.
Golic is a good lineman, but he's no Jerome Brown.  Without a quality 
replacement I fear they are going to be shacky agains the run.  Any comments?

Bill

EAGLES in '92
Kemp   in '96 
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