From: anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje)
Subject: Re: What the pro-lifers do not tell you
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:34:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.203910.4727@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.214030.10716@cco.caltech.edu> anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
>
>>So you're making the analogy that by comparing abortionist to Nazis
>>that somehow degrades the term NAZI? Your OBVIOUSLY not looking at it 
>>from the hard core pro-life perspective. To some pro-lifers, abortionist
>>are people who methodically (sp?) KILL children. Because they see
>>the life of the unborn child as being as important as your life or my
>>life. TO you or ME this may not be the case...but the comparison is 
>>QUITE valid to many. 
>
>But it isn't valid, and it's known not to be valid, to the people the
>pro-lifers are trying to convince. If they just use the analogy when

WHY?????????????? Why is it NOT valid. I have presented a case for it 
being valid in the eyes of some pro-lifer, now please show me
how it is NOT valid. I could be wrong ya know!

>talking among themselves, it doesn't do any harm. But when they, and
>the prp-choicers who are claiming that pro-lifers are nazis, and the
>anti-fur people, and everyone else with a cause to further, start try-
>ing to make their points to the unconvinced by using the analogy, the
>inevitable reaction is that the people who *don't* see the cause in
>question as that bad will start tuning out anyone who refers to the
>Holocaust, as in, "Oh, no; not *this* again!!" And this will get very

Ohhhh Mannnn. This is *YOUR* preception. Do you have any evidence that
affiliating the term "Nazi" with a cause "tunes" people out to the 
horrors of Nazi Germany? The pro-lifers equating these terms are NOT
taking it lightly. THAT is why they are using the term in the first place,
to illustrate the horror that they perceive abortion is.

>dangerous, in exactly the same way that it was very dangerous that the
>reaction of Americans, British, and the population of most of Europe,
>when the Jews started to call for help, was, "That's ridiculous. Everyone
>knows they're always yapping about something." The underground radio
>station from the Warsaw Ghetto broadcast for thirty days, detailed re-
>ports from inside Treblinka and Majdanek. Nobody listened. When I have
>to prepare those reports and broadcast them from the Chicago concentration
>camp, I want people to be so unused to hearing such things that they are
>shocked into action.

DO you *really* believe that Jews are going to be thrown into a camp in
Chicago some day soon? 
Look, I can understand if you are *particurlarly* sensitive
to the human tragedy of the Nazi Germany for some reason. A large part of
my family tree (Western Russia) was wiped into oblivion by Nazi forces. But
I can't quite imagine that by equating something like the pro-lifers
view of abortionists with the term Nazi is going to somehow lead to 
a concentration camp in Chicago! That seems a bit too out there for my
beliefs at this moment...

Should we ask Suzanne to stop claiming that unmarried women are "lower
than prostitutes" because it is devaluing the "magnitude of immoral behavior"
of prostitutes and therefore making them more accepted in society. NOT!

I also take GREAT offense at your saying that Warsaw Ghetto broadcasts
we're ignored by EVERYONE. THere is a GREAT difference between hearing
broadcasts and being ABLE to do something and hearing them and NOT being
able to do something. There we're people who believed these reports but
were powerless to do anything. 


>
>	-Nora
>
>-- 
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