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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Nurse Stimpy, is it cut?
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:11:54 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <=#dp7-_@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) writes:
>
>> I noticed the "nose goblin" scene at the end seemed to be cut unusually. 
>
>It's been edited like that for months, but this morning's showing faded
>faster than usual.  

Didn't look any different or any shorter to me.

>And I was in the other room at the time, but I could
>*swear* they cut the bit in "Robin Hoek" where the father of "the poor"
>decides to take off with the cash instead of sharing it with his family. 

It was there, they didn't cut that.

Me thinks people are getting a bit paranoid since this John K. thing
happened.




-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy                              Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Why is Nick showing R&S in the first place?!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:53:57 GMT

barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards) writes:


>In article <Bv5xon.Atn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:

>>I dunno.  Nick has a whole slew of cartoon shows, none of which have any
>>apparent problems with cranking out new episodes on time.  I'm inclined to
>>take Nick's side on the issue of John K. being late with the cartoons.

>Oh *please*!  Comparing Doug or Rugrats to The Ren & Stimpy show is like
>comparing Yugos to Rolls Royces!

Granted.  But however different R&S may be from Rugrats et al., they are
all similar in that they are owned by Nick.  Nick has a responsibility
to its viewers to get new shows out on time--and, because he signed a
contract, so does John K.  That may be a lousy system, and it may mean
that the cartoons that *do* come out are lower quality than what we
R&S fans are used to...but even so, I don't think Nick is being
unreasonable when they come up to John K. and say, "Hey, where are those
cartoons you agreed to make for us?"

Look at it this way: We all know how upset all of us on a.t.r-n-s got
after a month of nothing but reruns, and we're not even getting any
money off the show.  The folks at Nick, who realize that R&S is their
flagship cartoon, must have been livid...and I, for one, don't blame
them.

Ultimately, I think the blame for this mess lies with BOTH Nick and
John K.  They both had different ideas concerning the circumstances
under which the show should be produced, and you just can't do a show
when you have a conflict over something as basic as that.  Overall,
I think John K. will be better off on his own, where he doesn't have
to get his work OKed by higher corporate powers.  But let's not dump
all the abuse on the Nick executives.


                                 --Steve Stelter
                                   sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
From: jyork@iastate.edu (Justin York)
Subject: Re: Organized letter writing campaign
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:02:05 GMT


I believe it was Mattel who is making the Ren & Stimpy figures...
 
Maybe we should let them know how we feel too?
 
					Justin York
					jyork@iastate.edu
					Keeper of the Cheese...
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
From: Buck Godot <bgodot@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Why is Nick showing R&S in the first place?!
Originator: bbs@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 09:06:20 GMT

johnsonchris@bvc.edu writes:

> > 
> > Nick hired Spumco to make a childrens show. Ren and Stimpy is what they hav
> > ended up with and I think a good part of the problem <apart from the
> > fact that they obviously have no clue as to why adults like the show>
> > is that it wasn't meeting <or should I say it was exceeding> what they 
> > consider the standards of their widdle network.
> > I would love MTV to take it on, but although MTV owns Nick, Nick owns
> > RNS, body and soul. Some serious corporate finagling will be necessary
> > to pull the tranfer off, I'd imagine.
> > 
> 
>   I don't think it would be as hard as it seems.  Ren and Stimpy episodes 
> have been on MTV before, and Rugrats is shown on VH-1.  I think what they 
> should do is hire back John K, but maybe have to decide to gear the 
> cartoons to a more adult audience (the Liquid Television/Bill Pympton 
> fans.)  I think Spumco needs some desperate support from the network rather 
> than just being told to do so many episodes with so much money.  More than 
> 35 animators are needed.  More leniancy on time limits (although not to 
> excess).  More understanding that animation is a delicate process that 
> takes time, especially to those of the cel-animation school.
> 
>   Or maybe there could be two Ren and Stimpy's!  The kiddie R&S and the MTV 
> "Adult" R&S.   Nah...
>  
> --CLJ
> 

 
 perhaps, ren-n-stimpy "parts" could be mixed into an expanded Liquid 
Television type show... say 15 minutes of a 1 hour "cutting-edge" 
animation show... I'd watch that! I'd quit my job to watch it! (if I 
didn't have a programmable VCR :)
From: spacey@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Michael Keith)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: WANTED
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:18:36 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: /u/cscs/spacey/.organization

R&S finally hit NZ a couple of months ago on a kids programme (is it just
me, or is R&S just a tad too gross to be shown with the likes of the care bears
? :) ). Now, great wonderful i hear you say.. NOT! The episodes are nearly
*always* cut so we miss the end or the beginning (we havent had any of the
Log adverts etc which I saw when I was over in the US earlier this year).
Altho, they were kind enough to show all (well, i think all) of the episode
with stimpys happy happy joy joy song (best one i've seen thus far).

So..... what i am wondering is... is it at all possible to get R&S episodes
anywhere? 

Cheers,

Mike
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
From: bwatson@nyx.cs.du.edu (bruce watson)
Subject: Re: The Village VOICE (9/22)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 19:19:46 GMT

In article <ed.717492685@cwis> ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) writes:
>I haven't seen it mentioned yet, so I will.  I recently picked up a copy
>of The Village VOICE (new york weekly)...the 9/22 issue...and on the
>upper corners of the cover are none-other than Ren and Stimpy drawn to
>represent Bush and Clinton respectively.
>
>The mini-headline on top says "The Bush and Clinty Show: Sappy Sappy!
>Ploy Ploy! (p.47)".
> 
>The thing it refers to is a half-page cartoon of Bush (Ren) and Clinty
>(Stimpy) spewing quotes taken directly from the New York Times from June

If Bush is Ren and Clinton is Stimpy, who is Ross Perot? Mr. Horse?

--
Bruce Watson  wats@nyx.cs.du.edu  Toy Cows, Toy Cows in Africa, Toy Cows
From: bcampbel@ucdacm.denver.colorado.edu (Bob Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Why is Nick showing R&S in the first place?!
Keywords: spam Dickelodeon
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:36:56 GMT

> 
> so to live up to his responsibility to a money grubbing network,  
John K. 
> should just crank out garbage? And not care about the fans? 
> Please, he signed a contract, and when that situation changed they  
canned him,
> rather than renegotiate. That is solely the responsibility of Nick.  
They
> say that his completed episodes were offensive, but we only have  
their word.
> They have yet to provide any documentation of any thing  
inappropriate.
> John K. tried to do something really special, a style of animation  
that
> had not been done for years. And he ended up being a good example  
of what
> happens when you place quality over quantity in the Television  
market.
> Philistines!
> 
> 					--Judex--

Yes, well! That's just the sort of blinkard, philistine,  
pig-ignorance I've come to expect from those non-creative TV Exec.  
garbage!

Bob "Throat Sack" Campbell


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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Kricfalusi NOT fired
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:32:00 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu


An article in today's (5 Oct) Boston Globe reports that Nick issued a
statement last week saying that John K. "had not been let go, but will
act as the show's creative consultant. Day-today responsibilities will
rest with Bob Camp."

Bronwyn McElroy, Nick program publicity manager is quoted: "We've
reorganized the production responsibilites. This move alleviates
John's production constraints."


To me, these statements are laden with euphemisms. 




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kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy                              Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
From: krusebrianke@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: NEED TO BUY R&S VCR TAPES!!!
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:19:13 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

DOES ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE COPIES OF *ALL* OF THE REN AND STIMPY SHOWS? IF 
SO , I WOULD LIKE TO PURCHASE THEM FROM YOU . PLEASE WRITE OR E-MAIL ME AND 
I WILL PAY FOR SHIP. HANDL. OR WHATEVER!


    BIG R&S FAN
         BRIAN
   
610 WEST 4TH STREET
BOX 2393
STORM LAKE, IOWA (YES, WE DO HAVE TELEVISION HERE)50588
From: jgreene@dorm.rutgers.edu (Jeffrey Greene)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: R&S Comeek boook
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:58:12 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

szemkusmarkw@bvc.edu writes:


>	Where can I get the comeek book at?
>		Thanks, 
>		  The keeper of the cheese

	Well, being the all-around comic guy that I am, I can say that this
comic should be available at all discriminating comic book specialty shops.
Now, I am only saying this because the first issue will be polybagged (wrapped
in sealed plastic), with one of two "Air Foulers," air-fresheners with a 
Ren and Stimpy twist.  Most comics with such gimics are not available at
newstands and the like, but only at the aforementioned shops.  Sometimes the
publishers will put out a special "newstand edition" without any promotional
items, but I don't know if Marvel is doing this for Ren and Stimpy.
	An aside: did you know that the comic book was delayed for a couple of
months because Marvel had practically everyone working for them begging to 
work on this comic?
	Yet another aside: when John K. agreed to this project, the only
guideline he set for Marvel was to "make it more disgusting than the cartoon."
As if that was possible...

-jak
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Bob Camp to Take Over R&S Production
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 06:29:10 GMT
Organization: Mr. Lazlo's Temple Of The Mighty Rude-Boy Skank

cmarsigl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Klif Marsiglio) writes:

> I don't know how many times me and my friends have gathered to watch
> just to see something like WRITTEN BY BOB CAMP and just knew the show
> was going to be trash  

Anybody whose definition of "trash" includes _Stimpy's Invention_ is
working pretty hard for the Pinhead Trophy. 

> Bob Camp is just another fucking network goon with little or no
> creativity and his tongue up someones ass--Everyone fired EXCEPT HIM :) 

Bob Camp has been with Spumco (not Nick) since the studio started, and
while his work for the show hasn't been as good as John's best, it's still
been pretty damned entertaining.   He saw a job opportunity and he took
it.  I'd rather see Kricfalusi stay on the show, but a Bob Camp Ren &
Stimpy is a hell of a lot better prospect than, say, one by Klasky-Csupo. 

If you want to get pissed off at John K.'s firing, get pissed off at Nick,
not at the people who are trying to survive the fireball.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: west@uncavx.unca.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Superheros who fart
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:32:36 GMT
 <1992Sep16.064627.27896@zip.eecs.umich.edu> <1992Sep29.031639.14613@odin.corp.sgi.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Nntp-Posting-User: hotchkiss

In article <1992Sep29.031639.14613@odin.corp.sgi.com>, robinh@harlie.corp.sgi.com (Robin Hayes) writes:
> 
> Gosh you guys are all mistaken, The first Farting superhero I seen (heard)
> was
> from a National Lampoon album named "That's not funny that's SICK!", back
> in the
> seventies sometime, went something like this...
> 
> 	Iiiii'm FARTMAN!
> 	I can fart so hard I can FLY through the AIR!
> 	I can GAS EVILDOERS and KNOCK them unconscious!
> 	OR I can LIGHT my farts and turn them into a DEVESTATING WALL OF FLAME!
> 
>
> 	-Robin Hayes

I think actually Feggman, in Palin's "Dr. Fegg's Book of All World Knowledge,"
was the first superhero to employ farts (they were his mode of propulsion).
Feggman used zit-popping as a weapon, incidentally...

-- Mark West
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Red and Stumpy
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:40:19 GMT

I suppose I was unclear.  Red & Stumpy is a comic book.
     Dave Van Domelen, got a brown fabric marker so he could color Ren in on 
his T-shirt
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Red and Stumpy
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:19:46 GMT

For those with the intestinal fortitude, there is a parody of R&S coming out 
called Red & Stumpy. Red is a hemophiliac chihuahua and Stumpy is a limbless 
blood spurting cat.  The ad copy says brags about outgrossing the originals.  
These people seem to be missing the point, eh?
     Dave Van Domelen, the talking Ren talks when you pull his 'outie' 
bellybutton
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: R&S in FILM THREAT!!
From: ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:09:40 EDT
Organization: Watch Ren And Stimpy or Else!

In article <1992Sep28.012821.18234@jcnpc.cmhnet.org>, gc3@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (George Cifrancis) writes:
> Hey folks! Grad the latest issue of the magazine FILM THREAT!  Ren and
> Stimpy are on the cover and inside is an EXCELLENT 18 page article inside
> with a big John K. Interview, Bob Camp interview, Billy West Interview
> a nice list of all the epsisodes that are (or rather were) to to come out
> for the upcoming season with summaries. They list and give summaries for
> 20 epsiodes that aren't completed yet.  There is also an article about
> Raymond Spum (hee hee).

Is it available on the newstand?  If not, can you at least post the upcoming
episodes list, please?!  I wouldn't mind reading the interviews either.

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From: bates@spica.ucsb.edu (Bates)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Ren & Stimpy to appear on Krusty The Klown Show?
Keywords: not quite right in the head
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:23:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

In article <46yyRB1w165w@dorsai.com> carlos@dorsai.com (Carlos Dominguez) writes:
>cantor@spot.Colorado.EDU (Evan Cantor) writes:
>
>milk it for what its worth... Face it, the only place to see
>R&S will be NICK or MTV,,, and as soon as MR CAMP ah.. edits the
>new episodes to NICKS CORPORATE taste, well, it just STEENKS
>doesnt it... )sniff(


    Hold on one second...wasn't Space Madness to Nick's 'corporate taste'?
And wasn't that one of, if not THE, best RnS episode??!?  So why do you
think that all episodes from now on will suck?  I agree, the loss of John K.
will be felt, but an episode doesn't have to have these extreme bits of
humor to be funny.  Granted, John K. feels that it is necessary, and so there
is a conflict between him and Nick.  But gross does not equal funny.  Now
don't get me wrong, I would rather see the uncensored episodes, and I'm not
squeamish about such gross things.  Heavens no!  But I think that even if it
is 'censored' by Nick, the episodes can still be funny.  Let's not all get
so down about this.

    Okay, enough of the 'kind words'.  Now, for what I've been waiting to 
say for a while: WHAT A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES!!!!    A month ago, everyone on
this group was saying, "Come on!  You fat bloated eediots at Nick!  WHere
are all the new episodes!!?!!??"  And you wonder why John K. got fired for
not delivering them.  Now everyone is saying, "I'd rather have a few good
episodes then a bunch of bad episodes"...you should have thought of that a
month ago!  I believe I posted something at the time saying we should pretty
much be happy with what episodes we have.  Nick isn't a bunch of money-grubbing
jerks; they want product, just like YOU do!  And they don't even want it for
themselves, they want it because YOU want it.  So for all of you whiners out
there, take it easy.  You brought this on yourselves.  


        Andy Bates.

P.S.  But I still love my tape of Powdered Toast Man! :)


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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Kricfalusi NOT fired
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:44:34 GMT

Indeed...they'll 'alleviate his production constraints' right out the door.
     Dave Van Domelen, starrrrving, man!
From: edwardp@cs.umb.edu (Edward P. Piecewicz)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: MTV Networks/Nickelodeon Address
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:49:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS

In article <19t9b8INNm7m@fido.asd.sgi.com> guest@sgi.com (Guest Account) writes:
>Here's the address for MTV Networks:
>
>	MTV Networks
>	Route 10
>	Universal City Plaza, 30th Floor
>	Universal City, CA 91608
>
>	Phone: (818) 505-7800
>
>When I called I was forwarded to a voicemailbox of one Linda Alexander.
>She's probably in public relations or something similar.
>
>Happy, happy, mail, mail.

MTV Networks, Inc. is owned by VIACOM which is headquarted in Newton,
Massachusetts, but the Nickelodeon offices at last check were somewhere
in New York City.

 - Ed


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Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
From: barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards)
Subject: Re: Why is Nick showing R&S in the first place?!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:58:17 GMT


In article <Bv5xon.Atn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:

>I dunno.  Nick has a whole slew of cartoon shows, none of which have any
>apparent problems with cranking out new episodes on time.  I'm inclined to
>take Nick's side on the issue of John K. being late with the cartoons.

Oh *please*!  Comparing Doug or Rugrats to The Ren & Stimpy show is like
comparing Yugos to Rolls Royces!

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From: slamb@milp.jsc.nasa.gov (Sean Lamb)
Subject: The plot thickens (What'll we do 'til next time?)   
Organization: I know I left it around here somewhere... 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:42:58 GMT

Rumor has it that Matt Groening is putting up money to finance
John K.'s legal battle with Nick.
I read this in the 30 September issue of the _Public News_, a weekly
"alternative" rag here in the Space City.
And now my $0.02 worth...

I think we can just give it up, folks.  We're part of the problem, you
know.  If we didn't like the scrawny dog and the blubbery cat, Nick
wouldn't have $ (dollar signs) in their eyes, and wouldn't "need" to
get John K. out of the way.  How do thoes lines from that Minutemen song
go ?  ... "The Product!/The Product!/The Product!/The Product!/argumphtmpt!/
Capitalism!"  We have met the enemy and they is us... blah, blah, blah
Anyway, it's over.  Cherish those moments, like the first time you
saw _Space Madness_. wipe that tear away, and hold on, cause somebody
out there will try and make us happy again. 
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Sean Lamb (slamb@milp.jsc.nasa.gov)