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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Draft -  FBL Rules
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:43:05 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Here is a draft copy of the rules, please read and respond.  I am posting
this on the network so those who are still unsure of what the FBL will
be like can get an idea.  

These are only a first pass at the rules... NOTHING is in ink!

Dave

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The Fantasy Bowling League shall consist of X bowlers per team.

Each bowler will submit a score from a league or open  bowling  match.

Each bowler will notify the League  Secretary  of which  league  night
they will be using for scores if the bowler is in multiple leagues.

This will be a handicapped league using 80% of 200.

There will be no entering averages.

All scores must be submitted  to the league  secretary  by Sunday 9:00
MST.

All bowlers  must notify the League  Secretary,  by email, 24 hours in
advance of using a different  league's  scores and it must be prior to
the new leagues  start.  You may not use scores from a league that has
already been bowled.  If these  criteria  are not met the weeks scores
will be considered a forfeit.

The  prize  fund  will  consist  of a new ball for each  member of the
winning  team.  Each team will have a $XX entry fee to cover the prize
fund.

Subs will not be used in this league.

The League  Secretary will get the Fee of $0 for all the hard labor he
puts forth.  :-)

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: FBL is now 60
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:09:58 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

wperz@srg1.psych.pitt.edu (Walter Perz) writes:
> In article <1992Nov12.204039.4169@col.hp.com> fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
> >everyone.  Tommorrow the Vice President Elect will pull numbers out of
> >a hat in and  assign  them to teams.  In other  words  the first  five
> >numbers are the first team  etc...  The VP Elect will not know who the
> >numbers belong to until after all the drawings have been completed.
> >
> 
> Did I miss something?  Who is the VP Elect?

At that  point I did  not  know so I just  put  that in  there...  but
Pamela Fitts has the most votes and helped me with the team selection.

Dave
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: removing paint from your balls
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:42:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.222929.19650@col.hp.com> Dave Fleck,
fleck@col.hp.com writes:


>Yo Aki!  how the hell do you rug something?


GAK!  Spelling 101...

what I MEANT to say was...

"Shave around the affected area. Keeping the area moist as possible,
rub very slowly and carefully  with 220 grit sandpaper so as not 
to hurt yourself..."


hey it's thursday...I can have alittle fun..it's been a long week...!
-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Nominations
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:36:49 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

We need to get the offices filled today, so they can help me with the 
team assignments.

I think we should have the officers split  geographically  also.  So I
will nominate Pamela Fitts as Vice President.

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Population Explosion!
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:12:54 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Some good  news...  we  received  quite a few new bowlers to our list!
We are up to 20 now.  Of course we still need more members.  There are
still a lot of regulars on here that haven't  joined.  And this is not
limited  to the  USA, we  would  love to  make  this an  international
contest.  In fact  that  would be pretty  exciting.  I know  there are
readers down-under...  how bout it?!!!?!

We can also  work out  something  for  people  who are not in  leagues
currently  but would still like to join.  Something  like having  them
bowl a 3 game set on a saturday or sunday.

Join the fray if you haven't!!!  You possibly could win a new ball!!

Dave
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From: wperz@srg1.psych.pitt.edu (Walter Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: FBL Signup Deadline
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:33:13 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group

In article <1992Nov9.161118.22262@col.hp.com> fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
>The deadline for signing up will be Thursday the 12th of November.  (I
>just can't see setting the deadline as Friday the 13th....)

Meaning that the teams will be picked after that?

Is there any consensus on how teams will be formed?

Enquiring Minds Want To Know!


>
>Dave

Walter
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Walter G. Perz           |  .        I hate       |- Spaceman Spiff
Smoking Research Group   |     .   10-pins!       |  is going down !!!
University of Pittsburgh |  .                    *|                (Watterson)
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Draft -  FBL Rules
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:03:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.164305.28222@col.hp.com> Dave Fleck,
fleck@col.hp.com writes:


>The League  Secretary will get the Fee of $0 for all the hard labor he
>puts forth.  :-)


This doesn't sit well with me...I think even a fantasy secretary should
get something for their effort.  Does anyone have any objection to
having part of the purse go toward the secretary?  If the kitty is
big enough, maybe even a ball could be considered.

The ball suggestion I made was based on probably a 3 person team,
at a net cost of approx $50 per ball.  To keep costs down, what I
_could_ do is, when I see a good deal on some new balls from a
PBA offer, I could gather up the money from everyone, and order
as many as I can to supply a winning team (it may be more than
one brand of ball since I can usually order a max of two per 
brand).  Since we want to keep costs to a minimum I could look
for balls in the $40-$50 price range.  OR if anyone knows any pro shop
in their area who has an excess of an older model ball that they are
trying to unload (and the ball isn't known to be a piece of junk), we 
might try that path.  If we get say...21 bowlers, seven 3 person teams
@ $10 per bowler we would have $210 (tah dah! done THAT with no
calculator!), $210 divided by 4 (incl secretary fee) = $50 per ball
with $10 excess.  Of course the higher the ante, the more money and
hence the better the ball.  If the ante is high enough (remember,
you have all season to save it up) and we raised the ante to say...
$20 per member, we would have $420 or $100 per winner and secretarys
ball, which would put ANY ball in the ballpark.  Then each winner
could pick their own particuliar ball.  Excess prize money after the
balls are purchased could be even divided up to the second place team
if desired.

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: ProHook, I'm Impressed
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:21:34 GMT

In article <36837@cbmvax.commodore.com> Bob Baker,
bbaker@cbmvax.commodore.com writes:
>The Pro shop also had a ProHook Extreme on the shelf that just came in
with
>my ProHook.  While looking at the ball I noticed that it seems like you
can
>actually "ripple' the shell by pressing hard with your fingers while
>rubbing the surface. Really strange.
>

Glad you like it...I think you got the better choice with the regular
Prohook.    I wasn't kidding when I said that ball hits like a tank.  I
cracked a pin the other night....

btw...both balls retail for 124.95 in this area...I'm curious how much
everyone else is getting gouged for....




-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: New Draft - FBL Rules
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:48:30 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

MAX@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark K. Miller) writes:
> In article <1992Nov9.160846.22151@col.hp.com>, fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
> says:
> >
> >There will be no entering averages.
> 
> Maybe the timing was off on my previous post.  Maybe nobody likes the
> idea I suggested.  Its all copacetic with me, either way.

No  your  timing  was  good...  my  brain  was  bad...  been  a  rough
morning...  Had to deal with Car  dealers  all morning and my brain is
tired from all the haggling...(yes I did win in the long run)

I think having an entering  average will be a good idea...  Let's vote
on it.

> 
> >If the bowler cannot bowl any scheduled  leagues  during a week he may
> >use a blind score, which will be average minus 10 pins plus  handicap.
> 
> You know I actually bowled in a league that used a blind score of average
> minus 15 WITHOUT handicap.  They really wanted someone to show up!
> 
> >The League Secretary will get what is decided by the Net.
> 
> I think the Net might like hearing how the League Secretary feels about
> a ball and any more reasonable suggestions about compensation (no,
> suggesting $0 for your effort is NOT reasonable!)

Truthfully  I'd love a new  ball...  I think  the cost  will be  right
around what a league  secretaries fee would be also.  But as I said...
that is up to the net...  (Maybe we should give a founders ball also!!
The  person  who came up with this hair  brained  idea  could  get one
also!!  ok ok so I came up with the idea  also...maybe  I am getting a
bit greedy :-) :-) :-) )

Dave "It has been a long day and it is only 3:47pm and I still have to bowl"
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Entering averages for the FBL
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:47:35 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

As far as  entering  averages  go; I will get the  average  from  each
person  for the  league  that they will be using.  Or if they are Open
bowling, last years Book  average.  If they do not have a book average
then we will use the average of the first 3 games.

The total pin count will be  requested.  But to keep accurate  records
for this league and to not make my life totally  miserable I will only
be using the pin counts for the FBL.  In other words...  If my average
is 179 and I have 4307 pins with 24 games  then it works  out.  But it
will be too hard for me to keep  records of how many  games  every has
bowled  before the FBL and keep the  averages  in the FBL.  So the FBL
average will be recorded by # of FBL bowled  games.  That way everyone
is even on # of  games.  This will  most  likely  mean  that  ones ABC
average and FBL average  will be  different,  but I will keep track of
everyones total pin counts if there is a descrepency and need to check
with the ABC.

If any has any questions let me know... hopefully this makes sense.

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: League Transitioning ...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:39:45 GMT

In article L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM,  L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>To the guy who is rude to the early squad that is not finished when your
>league time comes up:
>
>Don't blame us, we were ready each turn, but the wait for ball returns, (while
>our balls were being chewed up by the equipment), the porters to get the dead
>wood (that the pin setter spit into the middle of the lane), the mechanics to
>go from lane 1 to our pair at 51 & 52 to reset an out of range, or getting
>a mechanic to come off of break to reset the spare leave that the automatic
>resetter, reset!
>Yell, harass, intimidate, mandate, retalilate at the Centers' management for
>having such crappy equipment, low paid personnel, & greedy, stupid, time
>management ideas, like having leagues only 2 hours apart!
>
>Pamela (Whew!  That felt good to get that load off my chest!) ;-)

[ ... and what a lovely chest that must be ... ] *WHOOPS* ... bad taste for this
group ... ;-)

Sorry, Pam, just couldn't resist the comeback on that one ... onto the issue
of transitioning between league shifts ... I bowl back to back tonight and as
Secretary of the first shift, I find myself beating up on my team captains for
falling behind on speed.  It has become a regular feature with me, so those that
have genuine problems, such as ball return, respots, etc., are quick to get on
my case ... *sigh* ... the only problem that I see is the turnaround time
between the actual problem and when the center management is notified ... *sigh*

I am almost certain Aki will have something to say about this, since he is always
early for our late league, which is on the same group as the early shift (GTE
league)


Bob - still trying to find creative ways to get my people out in 2 hrs 30 min  :-}

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Software Engineer, (703)-818-4656  | Winter Bowling Leagues 1992-1993
   GTE Federal Systems Division    |    GTE FSD Mixed Secretary: Thu 17:45
   15000 Conference Center Drive   |    Thursday Mixups:         Thu 20:30
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: FBL details
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:37:13 GMT

In article <92316.092701MAX@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark K. Miller,
MAX@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>And now for the real important stuff: (seriously, am I the first one to
>think about this?)  What point system will we use?  My Monday league uses
>8 points.  My Thursday league uses thirty-something (I think its 34, but
>I forget what the grand total is worth.)  If we do 8 points, then order
of
>rosters is not important.  If we do "head-to-head" points, then we need
to
>determine parameters for submitting rosters.  I see pros and cons with
both
>ways I've mentioned, so I'm not going to state a preference.  I'll leave
>this question on the table.

I say let's keep it as simple as possible...an 8 point system, no head to
head.
2 per game and 2 for total...that way the secretary doesn't have to carry
a 1/2 point around if two teams split a game...

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re:  FBL
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:52:19 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

cookinga@vnet.ibm.com (Andy Cookingham) writes:
>  Just a small problem on the turning in of the scores for the week. I
> only bowl league on Friday nights.	
> If the scores are to be turned in by Sun. I would have to make a special
> trip back to work to do it. Could 
> we set it up from say Thursday to Thursday?

We have had multiple requests for this so consider it done...  

Anyone have a problem with Thursday to Thursday?

Dave
From: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: 2nd game blues is contagious!
Summary: Transmission via USENET comfirmed
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 01:52:54 EST
Organization: Lost In Space

Well, now I've got SGBS (Second Game Blues Syndrome). To wit: 

201 (clean), 156, 212

Not Hall of Fame material yet but a personal first none the less (first
2 200-game night).

I hope science finds a cure for this plague soon. :-)

--
Tony DeBari          FQDN: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us     CI$: 73117,452
                     UUCP: ...!uunet!ssc60!tonyd      *P*: GHRW14B

"First things first ... but not necessarily in that order" - The Doctor

Tony DeBari          FQDN: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us     CI$: 73117,452
                     UUCP: ...!uunet!ssc60!tonyd      *P*: GHRW14B

"First things first ... but not necessarily in that order" - The Doctor
From: wperz@srg1.psych.pitt.edu (Walter Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Draft -  FBL Rules
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:03:43 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group

In article <1992Nov6.164305.28222@col.hp.com> fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
>
>These are only a first pass at the rules... NOTHING is in ink!
>
Just in re-cyclable phosphor!
(sorry, couldnt resist!)

...


>All scores must be submitted  to the league  secretary  by Sunday 9:00
>MST.
i.e. e-mail postmark, or received by above stated time?

>The  prize  fund  will  consist  of a new ball for each  member of the
>winning  team.  Each team will have a $XX entry fee to cover the prize
>fund.
>
How should the teams be formed?  Does anyone have suggestions or comments on 
this?

Sounds like a lot of fun

Later,

Walter
-------------------------|------------------------|---------------------------
Walter G. Perz           |  .        I hate       |- Spaceman Spiff
Smoking Research Group   |     .   10-pins!       |  is going down !!!
University of Pittsburgh |  .                    *|                (Watterson)
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: FBL
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:12:21 GMT

In article <BxGpC5.MnD@news.iastate.edu> Peggy M Baker,
pmbaker@iastate.edu writes:
>I have been reading these for several months and some are very
interesting
>however you all seem to be from around the same area - am I correct in
>assuming this? I'm just an avg. bowler out here in good 'ole Iowa. I bowl
>every day, but only 3 times are leagues. I haven't seen too many comments
>about the U2s (that's what I use - and love it) and was wondering if you
had
>any.
>
>Thanks - gotta run to class.
>
>I'll be looking forward to seeing if this made it and to hearing what you
>have to say. I can also me reached through e-mail (pmbaker@iastate.edu).
>
>Peg

Welcome to the newsgroup Peggy.  No we are not from the same
area...as a matter of fact we're probably as spread out as we can
possible get (unless we get a post from the arctic!).

As for the U2, it's an excellent ball.  I own one (or was it two? damn..).



-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: cookinga@yukon.fishkill.ibm.com (Andy Cookingham)
Subject: Current FBL Member list	 
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 22:19:26 GMT
Reply-To: cookinga@yukon.fishkill.ibm.com (Andy Cookingham)
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

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DESCRIPTION:
  The first sheet after the prototype multi-block sheets is marked external
  and therefore does not show up in the internal sheet list. (Ron Christopher)
NOTES:
  There is a known bug in the BDL/S transfer code and import code being used
  prior to JM260.  Thep has the fixes for this problem and has used them for
  Ron Christoper's testcases 2,3, & 4.  The problem has been recorded here so
  that it can be officially verified when we all get to JM260.

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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Current FBL Member list
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:13:11 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

>I know this is repititous  but I want to post the current list in case
>I have  missed  someone  like I missed  Mark Hunt in the last one.  If
>your name is not here and you have posted me or this newsgroup give me
>a hollar!

>Dave...

>Andy Cookingham			cookinga@yukon.fishkill.ibm.com
               correction                cookinga@vnet.ibm.com     or
                                         cookinga@fshvmfk1.vnet.ibm.com 
                



Andy