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From: SYSMAINT%BRUFBA.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Luiz Alberto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: All the Champions of Brazil
Date: 22 Dec 1992 03:45:46 -0600
Organization: Universidade Federal da Bahia - Brasil
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X-Unparseable-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 16:42:36 BRA

States               Champion of 92
------               --------------
Acre               - Rio Branco
Amazonas           - Sul America
Alagoas            - Clube de Regatas Brasil (CRB)
Amapa              - Ipiranga
Bahia              - Vitoria
Brasilia           - Taguatinga
Ceara              - Fortaleza
Espirito Santo     - Desportiva
Goias              - Goiatuba
Maranhao           - Sampaio Correa
Mato Grosso        - Sorriso
Mato Grosso do Sul - Nova Andradina
Minas Gerais       - Cruzeiro
Para               - Paysandu
Paraiba            - Auto Esporte
Parana             - Londrina
Pernambuco         - Sport
Piaui              - 4 de Julho
Rio de Janeiro     - Vasco Da Gama
Rio Grande do Norte- America
Rio Grande do Sul  - Internacional or Gremio(*)
Rondonia           - Ji-Parana
Roraima            - Sao Raimundo
Santa Catarina     - Brusque
Sergipe            - Sergipe
--------------------------------------------------
(*) Fisrt leg  Dec.20th  Gremio 1-3 Internacional
   Second leg  Dec.23th  Internacional - Gremio
--------------------------------------------------
Merry X-mas and a Happy New Year to all of You
From: lo@pyramid.unr.edu (Bok Nan Lo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Shareware soccer?
Date: 24 Dec 92 03:48:09 GMT
Reply-To: lo@pyramid.unr.edu (Bok Nan Lo)
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science

Does anyone know or recommend a good shareware soccer program? It's really
difficult to find a commercial soccer game here in America.

Please include the filename and the site address where I can download.

Merry X'mas and Happy New Year!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Villl-------A
From: mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk
Date: 23 Dec 92 11:24:31 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

Come on ye Villians!!!!!
From: nmuller@ems.cdc.com (Nelson Muller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: WORLD or TRANSATLANTIC ?????
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:19:54 GMT
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <1992Dec22.020628.19561@selway.umt.edu>, lokes@selway.umt.edu (Lokeswara Rao) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec20.124316.13319@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
|> >In <7893@kielo.uta.fi> csfraw@vehka.cs.uta.fi writes:
|> >
|> >> >> SAO PAULO F.C became the world champion by defeating Barcelona F.C.
|> >>  >>here in Tokyo 2 x 1. Rai (who is former Brazilian player Socrates'
|> >
|> >most South Americans. Hm, let's see: why not expand the Toyota Cup to include
|> >eight teams?! We could invite the winners of the following cups to participate:-
|> >
|> >-    European Champions Cup
|> >-    European Cupwinners Cup  "
|> >-    UEFA Cup
|> >-    Copa Libertadores
|> >-    CONCACAF club champions
|> >-    African Cup
|> >-    Asian Cup
|> >-    Oceanian Championship
|> >
|> >The three European teams and the South American champions are seeded, thus
|> >ensuring the best(?) teams do not meet each other until the semifinals. 

Maybe there should be 10 teams, with 4 Europeans and 2 South Americans.
The 2 South Americans can be selected as the finalists of Copa Libertadores
and the 4 Europenas through a tournament among the 6 finalists of the 3 European
Cups.  Whichever way, it is a good suggestion and we finally would be
able to call a club world champion.

Happy Holidays!

|> > 
|> >MARCU$
|> 
|> Good suggestion... it becomes a mini-world cup   between clubs
|> 
|> Why not send it to the Toyota Cup organisers.........
|> 
|> Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year to all socceroos !!
|> 
|> Lokes

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From: dz@cotton.ivanovo.su (Dmitriy Zykov)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Brazil is Number One? (was: Brazil 3 X 1 Germany)
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:00:06 GMT
Reply-To: dz@cotton.ivanovo.su
Organization: The Samoylov Cotton Works of Ivanovo

>From dz Wed Dec 23 04:51:54 MSK 1992
Hi Jorge!

:Brazil still as the best soccer team of the world. The question is
:that its best players are playing in Europe and they don't have
:much time to practice together. Recently the Sao Paulo team beat
:Barcelona (2-1) in Tokyo and is the new world champion team.  This
:week, the Brazilian team won the Germany team (3-1), the brazilian
:team was formes by the players which are playing in Europe.

 (First exuse me for my poor english)
 I think what your opinion about brasilian advantage in World Wide
is incorrect. Yes we have two matches when Teams from Brasil was
Winners. But _ONLY_ great Word-Wide competition like a World Cup
will give us objective result. And I good remember what before any
WC too many people say what Brazil Is Number One! ...Is Champion! ...etc
But I Don't remember any victory of this Team... You can see it:

1974 1. Germany    2. Holland   3.  ...
1978 1. Argentina  2. Holland   3. Brazil (boring play from defense)
1982 1. Italy      2. Germany   3. Poland (Good Brazil' Show and nothing)
1986 1. Argentina  2. Germany   3. France ( - - - - - also - - - - - - -)
1990 1. Germany    2. Argentina 3. Italy  (Nothing! Very very Poor!)

Today is 1992... More then 15(!) Years and... Brazil is Champion???!!!
No. Have not good results in table above, sorry.

          Good Luck    Dmitriy
                                Ivanovo, Russia
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From: moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan)
Subject: Re: Narrich v Ipswich
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:19:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Dec21.234700.1@sissa.it> haines@sissa.it writes:
>
>Norwich 0  IPSWICH 2 
>
>Monday night game 

Oh!  I have an incorrect schedule then.  According to the one I
have, the game was to have been played on the 19th.  Had I known
that the game wasn't until last night (Monday,) I would never have
sent out my original request.  Apologies to all.

Merry Christmas to all, and a Happy New Year as well.  May you all
have a happy and prosperous 1993.

===================================================================
Bob Moynihan                         Go Ipswich Town!
moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com             Never let the rocks cry out.
===================================================================
  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not for Hewlett-Packard Co.
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From: ceby313@chpc.utexas.edu (Andre Nogueira)
Subject: Garrincha was better than Maradona.
Keywords: Read the books, see the tapes.
Organization: The University of Texas System CHPC
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 04:10:50 GMT


Garrincha was much better than Maradona.

Garrincha, although two-time world champion, could not compare
to Pele. No one could. (Only some amateur soccer fans dare.)

From the book:          PELE
                        Francois Thebaud
			Harper & Row, Publishers
			Translated from the French by Leo Weistein

                        The book was originally published 
			in France under the title PELE
		       
  
----------------------------------------------------------------------
(...)
Chapter 12 - Unanimously Acclaimed

Aside from the  great competitions and international matches he
has played with the Brazilian team in  America, Europe, and Africa,
Pele since 1958 has taken part in innumerable Santos tours in
regions as far removed from the European-South American axis
as Thailand, Indonesia, Japan, Australia, Canada, Africa,
Saudi Arabia and Dubai.

In the "Miroir du Football" Solange Bibas, who followed Santos on
one of these tours, gives us an idea of what it involved:

"120 hours of flying time, 14 games in one month, changing from
a 103 temperature to 13 in less than 24 hours with stops in
New York, Los Angeles, Honolulu. the Figi Islands, Sydney,
Ryad, Qatar, Bahrain, Khartoum, Dubai, Nuremberg, Liege,
Coventry, London, Rio, Sao Paulo ..."
Of these 14 games (played at 48-hour intervals at places sometimes
thousands of miles apart) Santos lost only one.

Pele, without whom Santos would not have gotten half their game
contracts, was the only survivo{ of the team that began these trips
over fifteen years ago. Considering that he filled the stadium
everywhere, it is hard to know what to admire most: his resistance,
his longevity as a player, or his continued power to attract large crowds.
(...)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Go see the tapes. Or read the books: about Pele, they are 
not all in Portuguese.

Andre Campos Nogueira
The University of Texas at Austin
ceby313@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu
From: rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell )
Subject: Soccer Calendar - US SOCCER
Organization: UW Computing
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:20:59 GMT

I've just this minute returend from Crown Books outlet near where I work
with a hot little item in my hand - a US National Soccer Team 1993
Calendar put out by US Soccer (well, okay, so it's printed in Korea)
featuring:

January - general field shot taken after the goal that sent the US to WC90

February - reasonable pic of Desmond Armstrong attempting to look fierce

March - a pretty good photo of Tab Ramos' hand up against a Soviet "defender"s
	shoulder; the caption reads "Midfielder Tab Ramos skillfully
	maneuvers around a Soviet defender"; looks more to me like Tab's
	about to stretch out for a slide tackle to get the ball away from
	the opponent, not going around him

April - so so shot of Meola's sweat stained yellow #20 and the edge of an
	apparent bald spot

May - a great look at John Harkes with a somewhat surprized look on his face;
	this one's a good action shot and my favourite of the calendar

June - a medium good picture of Paul Caligiuri in action

July - Meola, Armstrong, and Doyle vs Italy; not bad but not a standout

August - "The US defense looks impenetrable as they clear the ball safely
	up the field."  NOT!  They all look like they're standing flat footed
	except for Balboa, Harkes (suspended mid-air in the center of the
	picture in process of giving the ball a hearty whack upfield) and
	Vermes;  I think the opponent is Czhechoslovakia but can't see the 
	front of the jersey

September - wonderfull look at Bruce Murray's unders as he's about to land
	on his tuckus in front of an El Salvador defender (arms spread
	wide - sure to attract the referee's attention)

October - Dominic Kinnear ensuring that a Bayern player stays down while he
	gets to the ball

November - pretty good shot of Wynalda moving at full tilt; the background
	and most of him and the defender on him are out of focus due to
	movement; I like this one

December - (also on the cover) Chris Henderson in aireal battle - with his 
	eyes closed for the effort; I like this one too and can bet two
	brothers, a father, and an ex coach are a) proud of him and b) 
	cringing because his eyes are shut

Most of the captions seem pure nonsense to me but it's a nice calendar and
I'll keep it hanging in my office.  It was stacked right in with the NFL
style football, the baseball, the basketball, and other "major" sports
calendars.

Just thought you'd all like to know about it.

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From: bootsma@fys.ruu.nl (Timo Bootsma)
Subject: Re: Question
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:24:27 GMT

In article <706@muller.loria.fr>, ayari@turinaz.loria.fr (Ayari Iskander) writes:
|> Keywords: 
|> 
|> 
|> Does anyone know the result of Tunisia-Morocco for wc 94
|> 
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Tunisia - Morocco 1:1
More results:
Group A: Ghana    - Algeria 2:0
      C: Zimbabwe - Egypt   2:1
      D: Congo    - Nigeria 0:1
      F: Ethiopia - Benin   3:1
         Tunisia  - Morocco 1:1
      G: Gabon    - Senegal 3:2
      H: Tanzania - Namibia 2:0

timo.
From: wchang@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Soccer on Cable in US ?
Date: 24 Dec 92 13:09:52 PST

Sports Channel is going out of business at the end of 1992.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield)
Subject: Re: OZ round 13
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:45:47 GMT


In article <1992Dec29.093423.1173@ucc.su.OZ.AU> thomase@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Thomas Esamie) writes:

>	I hope all my fellow r.s.s'ers had a great Christmas, and that
>your 1993 will be all you hoped for. The niceties aside we are down to
>the nitty gritty of round 13 of the Australian Soccer League.
>
>	Round 13						Crowd
>	--------						-----

	[scorer details for each match deleted]

>	Newcastle	5 - Brisbane		0		1500
>	Sydney Olympic	4 - Preston		1		3878
>	Marconi		4 - Adelaide City	3		4060
>	West Adelaide	1 - Sydney CSC		1		~4000
>	South Melbourne	2 - Wollongong City	1		4134
>	Morwell		2 - Melbourne CSC	0		4000
>	Heidelberg	3 - Parramatta		2		2500


WOW, DUDE !! That's 29 goals in 7 matches, almost approaching the standards
of Serie A !!!


-- 
Tim Hatfield (B Sc)      _--_|\  | "Indeed in nothing is the power of the Dark 
EX-University of Sydney /      \ |  Lord more clearly seen than in the  
timh@extro.ucc.su.oz.au \_.--._* |  estrangement that divides all those who 
ak530@po.cwru.edu             v  |  still oppose him." Haldir, Lord Of The Rings
From: SYSMAINT%BRUFBA.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Luiz Alberto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: All teams qualifies for Cup of Brazil 93
Date: 28 Dec 1992 20:03:37 -0600
Organization: Universidade Federal da Bahia - Brasil
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X-Unparseable-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 15:04:58 BRA

States               Champion of 92                 Second Place
------               --------------                 ------------
Acre               - Rio Branco
Amazonas           - Sul America
Alagoas            - Clube de Regatas Brasil (CRB)
Amapa              - Ipiranga
Bahia              - Vitoria                       - Bahia
Brasilia           - Taguatinga
Ceara              - Fortaleza
Espirito Santo     - Desportiva
Goias              - Goiatuba
Maranhao           - Sampaio Correa
Mato Grosso        - Sorriso
Mato Grosso do Sul - Nova Andradina
Minas Gerais       - Cruzeiro                      - America
Para               - Paysandu
Paraiba            - Auto Esporte
Parana             - Londrina                      - Uniao Bandeirantes
Pernambuco         - Sport                         - Nautico
Piaui              - 4 de Julho
Rio de Janeiro     - Vasco Da Gama                 - Flamengo
Rio Grande do Norte- America
Rio Grande do Sul  - Internacional                 - Gremio(*)
Rondonia           - Ji-Parana
Santa Catarina     - Brusque
Sao Paulo          - Sao Paulo                     - Palmeiras
Sergipe            - Sergipe
--------------------------------------------------
(*) Fisrt leg  Dec.20th  Gremio 1-3 Internacional
   Second leg  Dec.23th  Internacional 0-0 Gremio
--------------------------------------------------
Happy New Year to all of You
From: ljw00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Goal of the Season.
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:49:25 GMT
Reply-To: ljw00@amail.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

One for the great soccer minds of our time:

Anyone remember a goal Justin Fashanu scored years ago that won the Match
Of The Day Goal of the Season? He got the ball outside the box with his
back to the goals, chipped it up over his shoulder, turned round the
defender and whacked it on the volley into the far corner. Great goal.

Now to settle a bet, can anyone tell me who Fashanu was playing for at
the time, and who they were playing against?

This could be worth some money.
Thanx, Liam.
From: ajgam@sabrina.inesc (Antonio Jorge Gomes de Almeida Marques)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: re.re.Top 10 clubs sides
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:13:29 GMT
Organization: INESC (Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores) -LISBOA -PORTUGAL

In article <Bzo45t.4ou@bailgate.gpsemi.com> rich_b@sn4402.oldham.gpsemi.com (Richard Bogusz) writes:

   In article <92357.115350SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET>, SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET writes:
   |> rich_b@sn4402 (Richard Bogusz) wrote.
   |> |>    mine are as follows....
   Stuff deleted
   |> I know there is no harm in being optimistic, but Man United have already
   |> shown us how good they are in Europe this year, and as for Liverpool,
   |> I'm afraid their days of European dominance are long gone.
   |> Don't you remember their disgraceful performance against Spartak not
   |> so long ago.
   |> Do you also not remember Liverpool tremendous performance against another
   |> European giant not so long ago, the mighty Coventry City.
   |> 
   |> Regards, Sean

>   I forgot to add that the mighty Coventry City will probably win ALL of the
>   competitions it enters next year in Europe...The Nintendo Cup,   
>   the Subbutteo Inter-City Luncheon cup etc..

   Only these cups , because they dont stand a chance against (neither
all other teams :-)) portuguese teams like SL Benfica , FC Porto ,
Sporting CP the three teams that next year are going to win
respectivly the Champions Cup , Cup Winners , and UEFA Cup ...


 
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From: P85014@BARILVM.BITNET (Anthony Waller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Liverpool's Rosenthal - Malaysia refuse entry.
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:48:45 GMT
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel


  In an article published in the "Jerusalem Post" on Dec 20:

   Malaysia Denies Entry Permit To Liverpool's Rosenthal.

LONDON- English soccer club Liverpool has called off a game in Malaysia
because the Islamic state's authorities refused to let Israeli striker
Ronnie Rosenthal into the country, a press report said Friday.
  The mass-circulation "Sun" said Liverpool would have been paid
$150,000 to play the game against the Malaysian national team next
month but refused to leave Rosenthal behind.
  According to a spokesman for the Malaysian Commission in London,
people with Israeli passports are not allowed into the country.
  "If he had a British passport he would have been allowed in," said
the spokesman, who declined to be named.
  "But no one with an Israeli passport is allowed into Malaysia."
  Born at Haifa, Rosenthal has been a Liverpool player for several
seasons but plays for the Israeli national team.
  Ironically, he was in trouble with Israeli authorities earlier this
year for playing a game for Liverpool on Yom Kippur.
  If Liverpool withdraw from the friendly, Arsenal are the team which
will most likely be invited to replace them.   (AP, Reuters)

<  Now you know why Israel plays in Europe and not in Asia....    >

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Anthony Waller                     Bitnet:    P85014@BARILVM
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Israel.
From: bartjan@cs.kun.nl (Bart-Jan Bouwers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: San Marco: Petroni not Van Basten
Date: 25 Dec 92 11:59:20 GMT
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands

In <1992Dec24.144640.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> ocroci@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

>The only San Marco (apart the one from Venice) is Marco Petroni whose rely 
>services are indeed "saintly". When you talk about the Dutch player call 
>him Van Basten  otherwise I am misled into reading postings I do not really 
>want to read. -- 

For the Dutch he's certainly saintly, isn't he :-) ?? So that's why
he's San Marco. By the way, why should the Venice San Marco or Marco
Petroni show up in rec.sport.soccer?

>************************************************************************
>* Dr. OSVALDO CROCI			*	Forza SAMB	       *	
>* Department of Political Science	*	Go Feildians           *
>* Memorial University of Newfoundland	*	Go Town (Huddersfield) *
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>Former Milan supporter who has switched after Berlusconi took over and 
>turned a team into a machine.

They are still very good...

Bartje.
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From: richm@informix.com (Richard Mortimer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Americans at Forest ?
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:05:55 GMT
Organization: Informix Software Europe, Ashford, Middlesex, UK
Originator: richm@asterix

Heard a rumour that Nottingham Forest were giving
trials to two Americans this week, one of them a
goalkeeper.  Can Ian (Copping) confirm/deny.

Thanks.

 \      /  Rich Mortimer
 \ ---- /  WATFORD FC - THE HORNETS 
 <| vv |>  
   \../	   A club encompassing the true definition of mid-table mediocrity
    ""	  
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From: debfin@maths.tcd.ie (Debbie Finucane)
Subject: Help please..
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:04:04 GMT


Hi,
  I was wondering if anyone here could tell me the answer
to any of the following 3 questions. I need them for a quiz
and I can't find the answers anywhere.

(1) Who was the first player to be sent off in the PREMIER LEAGUE ?

(2) What former England goal-keeper made his debut for Ipswich Town
at the age of 40 in 1991 ?

(3) Who is the manager of Portadown ?

That's it. Sorry to bother you but all the Public Libraries round               here are closed for the christmas season.  Thanks,
                                                  Debbie.

-- 
   Do not use harmful words,but only helpful words, || Debbie Finucane
 the kind that build up and provide what is needed, ||(debfin@maths.tcd.ie)
 so that what you say will do good to those who     ||Trinity Collage Dublin,
 hear you.   <Ephesians 5.29>                       ||  Ireland.             
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