From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Misandrist bullshit is no better than... (was: Mysogynist bullshit)
X-To: JEAN M. PETROSINO
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:05:00 GMT

jean@cs.cornell.edu (Jean M. Petrosino) writes...

JMP> What is this crap about 'all women are good for is doing the dishes' and
JMP> 'women have small feet so they can get closer to the kitchen sink'?  I can
JMP> a joke, but this is over-stepping the lines of taste.


This was said by ONE man, I recall (actually, two).  Does this justify your
angry tirade about how "superior" women are?  I always considered it sexist to
try to argue that "men are superior," but I consider it *just* as sexist to say
"women are superior".


JMP> How about this one:
JMP>         Why do men name their penises?
JMP>                                 -Because they don't want a stranger making
JMP>                                  99% of their decisions for them.


And on and on...Taking revenge may make you feel good, but doesn't go anywhere
towards solving the real problems between men and women.


JMP> gee, maybe women's feet are smaller because our shoes are more restrictive.
JMP> by the way, can any of you men tell me why high heels are considered so
JMP> attractive?  Could it be the fact that they keep women at a disadvantage? (
JMP> man can argue this with me until they wear a pair of high heels to work, et
JMP> for a week - then we can talk)  It's so easy to balance on a 3 cm heel...an
JMP> so comfortable too!!  And what about those lovely slippery soles! Those ser
JMP> a wonderful purpose for walking now don't they?

JMP> And Robert Shaeffer - don't give me that sociobiological crap about men bei
JMP> innately superior to women because of testosterone.  We don't know the true
JMP> capacities of the female body because medical science finds it much more
JMP> interesting to study male anatomy and simply generalize their findings to
JMP> female anatomy.
JMP> I say women are biologically superior because we can walk around bleeding f
JMP> a week and not die - let's see a man try that one.  And how about all the
JMP> evidence that women's physical strength is in their ability to maintain
JMP> physical activity as well as enduring physical pain longer then men? You ne
JMP> seem to want to mention that.  Men may be stronger in the short term, but
JMP> women can out last them.

JMP>         "I don't mean to be strident and overbearing, but you know,
JMP>         NICE just doesn't cut it anymore.  Like a lot of women out
JMP>         there tonight, I MAD.  I'm mad because we're 51% of the
JMP>         population and only 2% of the Senate.  I'm made because
JMP>         406 men in the Senate get a pool, a sauna, and a gym, and
JMP>         WE get 6 hairdryers and a ping-pong table.  I'm mad because
JMP>         in a Seminole Oklahoma police station there's a picture of
JMP>         a naked woman on the wall that says, "Women make bad cops."
JMP>         I'm mad because despite the fact that we scrub the floors,
JMP>         wash all the dishes, have all the babies, and commit VERY
                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^
JMP>         LITTLE of the crime, still we only make 58 cents on the dollar.
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

             Not entirely true, Jean...  See my post in soc.feminism.


JMP>         And I don't know about the rest of you women out there, but
JMP>         I don't care if people call me a feminist or a FRUITCAKE!
JMP>         What I'm gonna do is get into my car and drive to the center-
JMP>         most point of the United States and climb the tallest tower and
JMP>         shout, "Hey, don't get me wrong, we love ya, but WHO THE HELL
JMP>         DO YOU MEN THINK YOU ARE!!"
JMP>                                 -Annie Potts as Bette Davis
JMP>                                  Designing Women


I understand that you're angry with the original poster, and with Robert
Scheaffer, but why are you taking out your anger on *all* men?  The hatred
and anger seem to pour out of your every word.

Men's sexism against women is now beginning to be seriously opposed.  Please do
not now allow yourself to become an example of the growing problem of the
reverse situation.

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