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From: vicki@mathcs.emory.edu (Vicki Powers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: children on airplanes (was Booster seats in aircraft)
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:49:09 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS


(I was going to post a "Hello, I'm back" message soon, but haven't found 
the time.  But I can't resist adding to this thread.)


My daughter, at the ripe old age of 24 months, has been on about 12
airplane flights and we have bought her a seat only once.  And only
twice have we had to actually hold her on our laps, every other time
we have been able to put her in a free seat.  Every airline we
have flown on has been happy to give her an extra seat if there was 
one available.  I don't know about Continental - we used them coming
back from Europe a few weeks ago and bought Ann her own seat since
she was over 2 at that point.  The airlines all seem to save at least
one row of bulkhead seats to give away at the last minute and several
times we have been given a row of 3 bulkhead seats just before boarding,
even though we hadn't bought a seat for our daughter.

About seatbelts for lap children, they do exist! All of the airlines we
have flown on have extra "kiddy" seatbelts which attach to an adult
seatbeat and hold the child on your lap.  The two times we didn't have
a seat for Ann the airline insisted that she wear this seatbelt during
take-off and landing and any other times the seatbelt light was on.

Almost always we've had helpful, friendly flight attendents, even
when the plane has been full or almost full.  And most airlines have
"kiddy packs" of toys and games for kids, usually for older kids but
there is always something to amuse Ann.  On British Airways we 
got a nice "diaper kit" with diapers, wipes, etc. in a reusable terrycloth
bag (which I now use for my shampoo, etc. when I travel!)

By the way, here's a tip to increase your chances of getting a free
seat for your child, if you are buying two adult seats:  reserve an 
aisle seat and a window seat in the same row of three seats, leaving
the middle seat free.  A single middle seat will be the last type to
be given away, so as long as the plane is not full the middle seat 
will be yours.  And if they give the middle seat away, you just switch
places with whoever is seated there.  (I learned this trick from a 
ticketing agent on Lufthansa!)


  Vicki

-- 
Vicki  Powers       |  When a student reads in a math book that there are no
Emory University    |  absolutes, suddenly every value he's been taught is
Dept of Math and CS |  destroyed.  And the next thing you know, the student
Atlanta, GA 30322   |  turns to crime and drugs. - Mel Gabler
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Stitches
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 07:24:27 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

Well, we just spent a bad night at the emergency room last night. (are
there any *good* ones?) My 2YO son got hit in the head with his sister's
teeth (all purely accidental!) over his left eye. I called the
doctor-on-call since it was a Sunday evening 5:30pm and was told that I
should take him to the ER at the hospital or he could end up with a scar.
So my son, my daughter and I went over to the hospital and go in. Being a
relatively minor thing compared to what they usually see, we had to wait
for a room to come open. To make a long story short, the waiting room was
awful, and we finally got him took care of at 11pm that night. The waiting
room was bad because the children waiting for whomever had nothing to do.
They tried to play around the one piece of kid equipment there was (a Lego
tableboard with no Legos), but that paled soon after. My kids were
relatively good, but some of the others weren't especially a couple whose
parents had to be elsewhere in the hospital. Also it didn't help that our
dinner was at home.
We made it home at about 12 midnight, ate some food and went to bed. The
kid got 4 stitches, which will probably give him nightmares for a while
afterward. It's bad watching them wrapping up your baby and doing the
procedure, and you can't explain anything to your baby because he's too
young to understand. At least it's over.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: day_kevran@tandem.tandem.com (Kevran Day )
Subject: Re: Climbing 13 month old
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:35:45 GMT

In article <cathe.716502228@xanadu>, cathe@xanadu.ucsb.edu (Cathe Gordon)
wrote:
> 
> Now that my post about "differences between boys and girls"
> e-mail has slowed to a trickle ;-), let me try another one.
> My 13-month old boy over the weekend showed my husband and
> myself that he can now climb onto a kitchen chair and then 
> onto the kitchen table.  This is a child who can't be 
> bothered with walking ... not exciting enough apparently.
> 
> He also is very coordinated in every other physical way,
> never falls, very cautious, very resourceful.  Can stack
> blocks (big ones on bottom) 2 feet high, moves toys and
> furniture to use to climb higher.
> 
> My question is this...is this normal???????  Yeah, I know,
> what's normal?  This is a first child and our second is
> due in 2 months.  I am quite frankly worried about having
> a little one in the house with our little "kneivel" around.
> He's not hyperactive or anything, and in every other way
> is almost too good to be true.  Is it possible that at this
> young age, we could be not offering enough stimulation for
> him?  We do have a lawn mower that could use some fixing...
> should we give him the set of tools and let him go at it? ;-)
> 
> Cathe "this can't be happening yet!" Gordon
> cathe@ece.ucsb.edu

Sounds like our Jason - but he was 9 - 10 MO at the time.
He was climbing well, long before he was walking well.  And like 
your son, he was very creative and thankfully he was just as
careful.  We just let him do it!  We have friends who are always
panicking and jumping up to *catch* him, while we sit there
barely noticing now.  He's fallen a few times, but nothing 
serious and he tends to remember those mistakes.  Of course,
our 2nd isn't due until Oct. and Jason will be nearly 2.5YO by
then, so we'll be able to reason with him about being careful 
around the baby (reason? with a 2YO?? - haha!).

The only suggestion I have is just to make sure that you're
in close proximity whenever the two are in the same room 
together.  Make sure that the baby is well out of the older 
one's falling radius ;-)!  And then relax ;-).

Kevran (mom to Jason - 2YO and ??? due in Oct.)
From: eaa@doc.ic.ac.uk (Liz Attree)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:40:00 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: doc, ic
NNTP-Posting-Host: smac-eaa.doc.ic.ac.uk

In article <6SEP199211200760@trentu.ca>, bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE)
wrote:
> 
> Judy Drake writes:
> 
> >> I still don't understand why so many people choose pain over
> >> no pain when the health of the baby is not affected.  I've
> >> had two birth experiences--one unmedicated (except for pitocin,
> >> that is), and one epidural, and the painless one was way more
> >> enjoyable and exhilarating than the painful one, for everyone
> >> involved (just ask my husband).
> 
> I find it pretty scary to read posts like this. Everyone is fully
> entitled to make their own informed choices about birth, but doing
> so requires access to proper information.
> 

Ben then goes on to give us the "solid, indisputable, medical evidence that

that drugs for pain relief during birth have a negative effect on the
baby.   He says later "Please, understand the seriousness of the
choice when you accept pain relief in labour."


I don't dispute the medical evidence at all.  It is widely written up in
many
pregnancy and birthing books.  But this is *EXACTLY* the sort of attitude
towards women that leaves them with so much guilt after accepting drugs
to help them through their labours.

And, of course, it was given to us by someone who will never experience
labour.

Sorry, it made me mad.



Liz.
From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:14:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


While on the subject of names -  I came across these and many more
unusual names while working as a stock transfer agent a few years
back (unfortunately I can't remember all of them). These are actual
names since aliases can't own stock without a lot of problems.

	Benja Arm
	Hugh Fluck (think of last name first 8-)

Also, I once babysat for two girls who were named Brooke and Skye.
I always wondered if a third child would be named Meadow.

I always liked the name Perry for a boy, but then having Perry Perry is 
a bit redundant. 

-Ali Perry, mum to Emily Edith, one month old.
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names - nicknames
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 08:23:18 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
> I can relate to that!  I was named Margaret Mary-Theresa Brown,
> but my parents decided to call me Peggy even before I was born.
> I've always thought this was silly.  Since they wanted to call me
> Peggy, I wish they would have just named me Peggy, even though
> there is no St. Peggy (Catholics often name kids after saints).
> I never use my "real" name except for on forms and legal
> documents.
>
> This is a pain, especially because Peggy sounds nothing like
> Margaret and many people *not* of Irish descent, do not know that
> Peggy is a nickname for Margaret.
>
> - Peggy -

My mom named my oldest sister Margaret, but my dad couldn't spell it, so
he called her Mimi. Then when my sister Jeanne came along, he nicknamed
her Jami. My name is Kathryn and my nickname is Kati.
I am the only one who continued having this nickname into adulthood. Both
my sisters reverted to their real names, and only our dad calls them by
the shortened versions, but he does so consistently.



* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names - nicknames
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:27:56 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <56082@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> sweeney@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Peggy Sweeney) writes:
>In article <BuFKEH.794@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>> I can relate to that!  I was named Margaret Mary-Theresa Brown, 
>> but my parents decided to call me Peggy even before I was born.
>> I've always thought this was silly.
>
>YES! In fact, the Margaret/Peggy confusion is the reason that we named
>our kids Kim and Kate -- not Kimberly or Kathleen or Katherine -- just
>Kim and Kate -- with no middle names! 


My parents also named me Margaret with the intent to call me Peggy.
They wanted a name that started with the letter "m" because they
wanted to name me after my grandfather, Michael, and grandmother , Mary.

They could have saved me a lot of explanations if they'd just
named me Peggy, but that would have run counter to their whole mindset.

Peggy
(Yes, another one!)
Xref: sparky misc.kids:23144 rec.arts.startrek.current:12943
From: salvaggi@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Nanette Salvaggio)
Subject: Re: Late Crawler/Walker:  My beef
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 19:17:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.121239.8813@ohrd.uucp>, ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw) writes:
|> Hi again, I just had a little beef that kind of bugged me.
|> My son is 11 months old.  He is not crawling, he does not stand up,
|> he hardly will put weight on his legs.  He rarely rolls.  He is just
|> kind of making the motions of crawling now.  He can get up on all
|> fours, he can roll himself onto his stomach from a sitting position,
|> and he can work himself around on his stomach, so I figure it shouldn't
|> be too long.  He is a perfectly healthy normal happy good-natured little
|> boy.  Surely he is not the only child to take a while to do these things.
|> Why are some people insensitive, and ask if I have had the child checked
|> by a doctor in case there is something wrong?  At least I feel they are
|> insensitive, am I right?  I would be able to tell if there was a problem,
|> wouldn't I?  Once again, I'm appealing to the net to hear their
|> experiences with their children.  Thanks again.
|> 
|> Catharine


I too hae a late crawler.  My son did not roll over till he was 8 months old.
And it was another 2 weeks before he could roll back.  He is now 10 months
and has just started to crawl.  Although it is more of a 2 hands, one knee,
and a foot crawl.  He does get where he wants when he wants. Several people
including strangers in the doctors office have commented negatively to
me as they are chasing their little one that is crawling away from them,
that my son should be crawling.  My standard comment "Why my son loves
me and is in no hurry to go running from my side".  My doctor never
seemed concerned, my son sat up early and was very content to stay put
for a very long time.

Nanette (Philip's mom)
salvaggi@alnitak.kodak.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: periconception chemical exposure
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:58:58 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA


I think that all the rules of thumb Paula proposes are prudent, for
the mother who can manage them.  Paula's article was completely
reasonable;  I'm just using it as a springboard for problems that
worry me.

Many women don't expect to become pregnant easily, don't plan a
pregnancy, or are faked out into believing that they aren't pregnant. 
Furthermore, very few women have such rigorous control over their
lives that they'll remember to take prenatal vitamins during half
of every single menstrual cycle, or to postpone all home renovations
until after their childbearing years.

When these women become pregnant, they are often faced with enormous
guilt and fear.  If something goes wrong with the child, it will be
MY FAULT, because I ate Kahlua ice-cream (yes, people have panicked
about this), painted the kitchen, changed the litterbox... you get the
idea.  This bothers me greatly.  It isn't a crime to lead a normal
Western life-style; and terrible birth results aren't a punishment.
Yes, you can improve your odds by avoiding certain situations;
but the odds of a happy result are good even if you did have a glass
of wine, catch a strep throat, and fall down the stairs. 

During my first pregnancy, I painted bookshelves with enamel during
the first month, took migraine drugs (under medical supervision)
during the second trimester, and sweated bullets at night, sure that
my child would be terribly hurt and it would be MY FAULT.  She's two
years old, and practically perfect in every way.  Early in my second
pregnancy, I had two bouts of strep throat, complete with high fevers.
Before my first OB visit, I read the newspaper articles about hot
tubs and their prenatal damage.  The article contained the casual
aside "deformities similar to those experienced when the mother
suffered a high fever."  I was terrified.  The nurse-practitioner said
firmly that two episodes of fever caused by a known cause and treated with
known-to-be-low-risk antibiotics were nothing to worry about, and that
their practice did not consider my pregnancy high-risk in any way.

If you can plan your pregnancy ahead, and exercise discipline
beforehand, more power to you, and I'm sure it does both you and your
baby good.  But if you didn't lead a pristine lifestyle before
conceiving, try to relax.  If you talk to your OB about your sins of
omission, I'll bet you'll find that there's nothing to worry about.
                                                   
And if a friend of yours has an unhappy outcome, for God's sake,
don't imply that she could have avoided it, if she'd only...  Believe
me, she's already thought that a thousand times.  She doesn't need to
hear it again.
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: croup - help!
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:31:23 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <1992Sep10.115956.17890@cci632.cci.com> lcw@cci632.cci.com (Lori Wershing) writes:

>Questions:  Do the symptoms usually occur several nights in a row?
>            Does croup last the duration of the cold?
>            Is it a culmination point?
>            Anything we should do or try which we didn't?
>            Will he grow out of this?
>            Is croup a separate virus from the cold virus or a complication arising
>                from the cold?

I tried to email Lori, but it bounced, so here it is:

Lori--my heart goes out to you--I remember my five-month-old getting croup,
and it was awful.  However, to me what your son has doesn't sound like
croup.  The major symptom of my son's croup was an incredible barking cough
and a lot of noisy wheezing breathing in between.  It lasted about three 
nights, then started getting better.  Taking him outside in the cold 
definitely helped the wheezing.  The doctor told me that there were two 
kinds of croup--allergic and viral, and if they get the viral kind they 
only get it once, but the allergic kind can recur.

What your son has sounds to me like bronchiolitis, which my son also got
with every cold during his first 1-2 years.  Bronchiolitis also involves
wheezing and a barking cough, but with my son it was always the product
of a cold.  Croup cannot be treated with any medication except for in
the hospital if it gets bad enough, but bronchiolitis can be treated with
asthma medicine.  My son used to get a prescription called Ventolin, which
helped the wheezing and the cough a lot.  It tended to make him a bit hyper
for the first day or so, but he settled down after that.  We had a standing
prescription for Ventolin, because every cold turned into bronchiolitis.
I'd take your kid to the doctor and have him checked out.  They can listen
to his lungs through the stethescope and tell in a second whether he's
wheezing a certain way, even if it's not detectable to you.  They can
tell the difference between croup and bronchiolitis.  It's very helpful
to know which it is, because you can give the asthma medicine for
bronchiolitis and make them a little more comfortable.

If a kid gets bronchiolitis a lot, then the doctor judges him to have
asthma.

My son outgrew this at about age 2, and in the past year and a half he's
gotten a few colds without the bronchiolitis, thank goodness.

Good luck!

Judy Drake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ashley@osc.edu (Ashley Burns)
Subject: Re: Morning Sickness
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 13:12:33 GMT

I had morning sickness very badly for the first 15 weeks of 
my pregnancy. I posted a note not much different from the 
original poster's and got a lot of good suggestions. 

From about week 6 to week 10 I had to wake up in the middle of the 
night to eat or I would wake up at about 6 and throw up. During the 
middle of the night I ate cereal. Before bed I would eat nonfat 
cottage cheese, which is low in fat/calories and high in protein. 
This really helped, presumably because it takes a long time to 
digest. I also ate a lot of nonfat yogurt. 

All in all, the best remedy was eating many tiny meals day. My 
husband got used to making food for about one and a quarter persons 
instead of two, and generally was very supportive. 

Prenatal vitamins are really hard on your stomach. Take them after 
you eat, not before!

I hope this helps. 

--Ashley Burns, ashley@osc.edu
From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Car Seats and Trucks
Date: 9 Sep 1992 10:14:55 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

   yes, that is what I mean.  The kid goes in the center.  It is a 76
   Chevy C10 (not S10), a full-size.  No extended cab.

Well that explains it.  Full-size trucks from that era were "real,
manly" trucks.  Today's S10's, rangers, and (especially) imports are
significantly smaller.

tim
---
    ...  Then they came for me,
	   and by that time there was no one
	     left to speak up for me. (Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945)

Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:24:41 -0400 
From: Laura McGinnis <lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Young siblings (was Re: Climbing 13 month old)
	<day_kevran-140992163540@130.252.108.211>

On 14-Sep-92 in Re: Climbing 13 month old    
user Kevran Day @tandem.tande writes:
>...our 2nd isn't due until Oct. and Jason will be nearly 2.5YO by
>then, so we'll be able to reason with him about being careful 
>around the baby (reason? with a 2YO?? - haha!).
> 
>The only suggestion I have is just to make sure that you're
>in close proximity whenever the two are in the same room 
>together.  Make sure that the baby is well out of the older 
>one's falling radius ;-)!  And then relax ;-).

Mickey will be 3 years old in November & Margaret is 3 months.  When she
is playing on the floor & he is around, we make him take his shoes off. 
That way, if he accidently gets too close to her fingers (or other body
parts), he doesn't do too much damage.  He can also tell faster when
he's on soft flesh rather than hard floor & reacts more quickly to move.
 Of course, we never leave the two of them in a room together if she's
on the floor.

He is VERY good with her, helping her to roll over & holding her bottle
for her, etc.  He seems to be living up to our expectations of him -
that he will love & care for her, not be jealous and want her to be
gone.  Maybe he hasn't realized that negative feelings are an option. 
We've been very careful about not putting her first all the time, but
also making him wait when she really does need us.  He's used to hearing
her cry when we're busy with him & it doesn't seem to bother him when he
has to wait while she has our attention.  We are also careful to make
sure we have individual time with each of them every evening (Mickey
helps Tom take the nanny home while I nurse Margaret after work; Tom
plays with Margaret while Mickey & I get a bath & he goes to bed).

Your mileage may vary, but we've been very pleasantly surprised about
how well our family has come together.

Laura
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: NutraSweet (Was: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy)
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:00:35 GMT

>|> In article <51tp02EA21co01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> lmn00@thundercd.amdahl.com (Linda Newell) writes:
>|> >Also, my doctor said that nutra-
>|> >sweet would not be a problem.
>|> 
I'll probably get a lot of "but it's not a representable sample", but
here goes--

My husband told me last night that an 8-week old baby born to a woman in
his building is undergoing stomach surgery.   This woman drank a lot of
diet sodas during her pregnancy.  I sat across from her at a luncheon
once in which she ordered iced tea and proceeded to put Nutrasweet in
it.  She and the woman next to me (all three of us pregnant at the time)
laughed at my husband and I when we indicated how strictly we were
watching my diet.  The woman next to me delivered her baby 5 weeks early
and had to have the baby transported to a special hospital in a
neighboring state.  My husband and can't help wondering if their babies
would have been healthy if they had paid closer attention to nutrition.

Michele

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