HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gopal@cirrus.com (Gopal Ramachandran)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: VR cockpit
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:40:48 GMT
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

Some thoughts on Virtual Reality techniques for aviation:

- superimpose three-dimensional terrain models, ARSA/TCA/other special
use airspace, airways, navaids, etc onto the pilot's view out of the
cockpit. Whichever direction the pilot turns his head, he would be
able to see the type of information a VFR sectional chart provides
superimposed on the outside view. In IMC, this would make it
especially easy to see and avoid restricted airspace boundaries,
terrain, etc while making it intuitively easy to stay in an airway,
see a dogleg coming up on the airway, etc

- superimpose weather radar/ stormscope generated imagery on the view
outside. If the radar could be programmed to scan in elevation as
well, it would help by providing a limited vertical view of the
echoes. Standard color-coding would help the pilot in avoidance
maneuvering decisions.

- superimpose TCAS -determined targets on the view outside as well as
computer generated prediction tracks (selectable by the pilot for
various times) This would help with avoidance maneuvering. In
combination with superimposed airways (say a Standard Instrument
Departure profile, or a published approach) the pilot could determine
the expected future maneuvering of the target if told that the target
is executing a SID or an approach, for instance and could be observed
to be tracking to the profile in the VR generated image.

- superimpose computer-generated airflow streamlines over the wings
that were derived from AOA, CAS, etc and perhaps the pilot intuitively
sees the effect of maneuvering loads, instantaneous AOA, etc just by
looking for smooth flow, burbling, etc

- superimpose a three-dimensional grid on the view outside with X,Y
coordinates (or town names, navaid names), and altitude. This would
also give the pilot a sense of ground speed, rate of climb as he would
see the grid lines zip by. Color coding could be used to reference
assigned altitudes and headings.


I dont know. It may make it all so easy that if the VR box ever broke,
the pilot wouldnt have a clue even with all the standard stuff working.

-- 

Gopal Ramachandran <gopal@cirrus.com>
UUCP:  uunet!cirrus.com!gopal
Cirrus Logic Inc, Fremont CA  PH: (510)-226-2138 FAX: (510)-226-2160
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: fskevin@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Kevin R. Kirtley (SVER))
Subject: Re: BE-18 crash in Baltimore
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Dec 1992 14:07 EDT  

In article <1992Dec21.224858.26823@umbc3.umbc.edu>, robie@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie; POSI (GRAD)) writes...
>In article <1992Dec21.180318.19604@asns.tredydev.Unisys.COM> jac@asns.tredydev.unisys.com (Judy Cadmus) writes:
>>I recently heard the sad news about a Beech 18 that crashed while flying the
>>ILS 15 (I think) into BWI a few weeks ago.  
> 
>The plane looked pretty well trashed, and the pilot (sole occupant, I think)
>was killed.  No injury on the ground, as it missed (narrowly) hitting any
>buildings.  The plane was out of Ohio.
> 

Wow, bad week for Ohio Beech 18's since one bought it on take off at Hopkins
in Cleveland with one aboard.  

Kevin 'keep em straight and the speed up' Kirtley
Short Wing Piper Lover



Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: klingler@triton.unm.edu (karl da id klingler)
Subject:  Anyone have Quickie or Q2 knowledge?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 07:27:39 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Howdy.  I've got a Quickie that flew until I walked past it holding a hacksaw
blade one morning.  I'm going to Aircraft Spruce next week, and I thought I
might pick up a billet of styrofoam and some epoxy to make another set of 
wings.  I'm interested in the following:

1.  Anyone have a Quickie or Q2?  Anyone replaced the wings on their Quickie 
    or Q2?  What with?

2.  Anyone used an Eagle 1 or Eagle 2 airfoil on an airplane?  I've got 
    coordinates for the Eagle 2, but I'd be open to suggestions if someone
    likes something better or knows something I don't about the Eagle 
    airfoils.

Please send even the smallest tidbits or references to articles!  

Thanks in advance,
Dave Klingler
From: an3955@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Cuba rescue flight posting
Date: 28 Dec 92 04:08:26 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.aviation.misc


In article <1hl24jINNt1r@fido.asd.sgi.com> you wrote:

> Not a flame, more like a mild roasting:
>
> First, given the subject material of this note, there's no reason
that
> it had to be posted anonymously.
>
> Second, CompuServe considers materials posted to its forums
> copyrighted.  The only purpose of posting anonymously that I can see
> would be to circumvent possible action by CompuServe.  Perhaps this
> individual has been admonished in the past by the management of
> CompuServe and is trying to avoid reprisal?
>

I could care less what Compuserve feels.  As far as I know, posting
through a mail to news forwarding host is the only way I can send a
public message to a newsgroup.  In this case Rec.Aviation.Misc.

Here on Compuserve, I can send and recieve email which is how I receive
news in the first place.  There is no way to post news to Usenet from
Compuserve directly so I send it through a forwarding host.  I tried
mailing to rec.aviation.misc@Berkeley.edu, but that did not work.  This
route did.

As far as reposting news, you are off base.  The way I heard about
rec.aviation was through reprinted news articles in our flying club
printed newsletter!  So chill out.  A public posting is a public
posting
is a public posting.


Gary


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From: jeffg@loki.esd.sgi.com (Jeff C. Glover)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Well, it was bound to happen to me eventually...
Date: 4 Jan 1993 03:13:47 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: loki.esd.sgi.com

Just tooling along, Saturday afternoon, VMC, little traffic.

    [me] <Sniff, Sniff> "You smell something?"

    [passenger] "Yep."

    [me] <Quick glance at panel, serious voice> "The engine temp is heading
         toward the red zone."

I start looking seriously for a spot to put it down if I have to,
then sheepishly realize I'm cruzing at zero AGL in my Celica.

Yep, the dreaded "flying reactions while ground-bound syndrome."  First
time it's happened and wasn't just a deja-vu' type feeling -- For
several moments I was convinced I was in deep doo-doo.

Managed to get it down safely, and w/out damage.  :-)

Jeff
jeffg@sgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: fraser@mdd.comm.mot.com (Cameron Fraser)
Subject: avinet bulletin board alive?
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:08:31 GMT

i have a session log from an aviation bulletin board based in portland
oregon called AviNet - directory information doesn't have a listing under
that name - anyone aware if they are still in operation???

thanks


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cameron Fraser          fraser@mdd.comm.mot.com
Mobile Data Division    (604) 241-6092        (604) 241-6030 FAX
Vancouver, B.C. CANADA  (800)-999-8279 CDN    (800) 678-7634 USA
Xref: sparky rec.aviation.misc:1167 rec.aviation.military:1537 rec.aviation.piloting:508
From: jeremy@cs.swarthmore.edu (Jeremy Brest)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
Subject: Night vision?
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:08:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.66BWBNPM
Organization: Swarthmore College

Does anyone know of a source for night vision goggles (or other equip)
available to non-military consumers, either military surplus or otherwise?
Pirce range?  Power requirements?

Please reply by mail.

Thanks,
Jeremy

jeremy@cs.swarthmore.edu / jeremy@vix.com
From: spenny@sw.stratus.com (Steve Pennypacker)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Cuba rescue flight
Date: 31 Dec 1992 13:29:19 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wiley.ts.stratus.com

In article <876.180.uupcb@ssr.com>, dick.zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dick Zeitlin)  writes:
> 
> Today an airliner from Cuba landed at MIA with 57 SOBs who all requested
> political asylum.  Do you think the Captain filed a flight plan to MIA
> with Havana FSS?  <~>

Nope.  For those who haven't yet heard, the captain and passengers got the 
copilot out of the cockpit and restrained him, and another pilot who
"happened" to be on board took over the right seat.  They got the plane 
safely to the US by faking a hijacking.  At least that's what the paper said.
-- 
     Steve Pennypacker		     PP-ASEL

     spenny@wiley.ts.stratus.com     Stephen_Pennypacker@vos.stratus.com
From: ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Article copying.
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:10:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24518
Reply-To: ark@alice.UUCP ()
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

In article <JASON.92Dec30080555@peyote.tfs.com> jason@peyote.tfs.com (Jason P. Venner) writes:

> Unless your article has a legal copyright note on it, it is freely
> copyable by anyone for any purpose.

False.
-- 
				--Andrew Koenig
				  ark@europa.att.com
From: jeffg@loki.esd.sgi.com (Jeff Glover)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Cuba rescue flight posting
Date: 28 Dec 1992 18:25:16 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: loki.esd.sgi.com

In article <1992Dec28.041532.20642@fuug.fi> an3955@anon.penet.fi writes:
>I could care less what Compuserve feels.  As far as I know, posting
>through a mail to news forwarding host is the only way I can send a
>public message to a newsgroup.  In this case Rec.Aviation.Misc.

From the rec.aviation.* FAQ:

    To post to rec.aviation via e-mail, you can send the posting by
    mail to "rec-aviation-misc@cs.utexas.edu".  To post to subgroups
    other than .misc, replace "misc" in this address with the name of
    the subgroup you wish.  Note that this is an _automated_ posting
    service, so be sure that your subject line contains the subject of
    the message, not "please post"!

If this service is not working, let me know and I'll look into it.

As far as the repostings, according to the Berne Convention on
copyrights, the material is copyrighted by the author upon creation,
and it need not be explicitly copyrighted.

Unless expressly indicated as public domain, all written materials are
copyrighted by their respective authors, or in the case of CompuServe,
by subscribing to their service, them.

Posting a note doesn't grant public domain status, except for quotes or
excerpts required for review of material.

As your reposted material was quoted in its entirety, it was in
violation of the authors' rights.

Again, it's simply a matter of courtesy.  While the material may be
appropriate, it's not welcome without asking the authors for
permission.

Jeff
jeffg@sgi.com
From: stadler@Apple.COM (Andy Stadler)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: CHP AIRCRAFT & SPEEDERS
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:27:38 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <MTANNER.92Dec18141702@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> mtanner@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
 (Michael C. Tanner) writes:
>I know California law is different, but they used to do this in Ohio.  When
>the freeway speeds were upped to 65, they stayed 55 within n miles of cities.

Actually, it's the same.  The original 55 law was a federal law.  I think the
new law, 65 on straight stretches away from towns, is also federal.

But back to the part about airplanes.  All this talk about timing, and
pacing, and this law and that law, and freshman calculus.  Something in the
back of my brain tells me it just doesn't matter.

Here's the deal.  Who's writing the ticket?  Hint:  Have you ever seen a 
black-and-white 182 swoop down and land on I-80?  No.  The ticket it written
by an officer in a cruiser.  I always figured it worked this way.  182 is 
putting along watching the cars.  Looks down and sees a red IROC-Z moving
obviously faster than all of the other cars.  Radios car waiting at next
exit - "there's a red Camaro about to scream by you."

The officer in the car can do the measurement.  It doesn't take stopwatches
and paint marks to see that one guy down there is driving like an a------.

Whaddya think?

--Andy   stadler@apple.com
From: spenny@sw.stratus.com (Steve Pennypacker)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Flying flea info wanted
Date: 24 Dec 1992 16:58:26 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wiley.ts.stratus.com

In article <Bzn3tH.9uK@plato.ds.boeing.com>, prang@plato.ds.boeing.com (Ron Wanttaja) writes:
[about the Flying Flea's "feature" of going into unrecoverable high-speed
dives.]

> The problem was, the trailing edge of the upper/forward wing was too close
> to the leading edge of the rear wing.  The plane would get into a descent
> and increase speed.  The pilot would pull back on the stick, lowering the
> trailing edge of the upper wing.  It would come closer to the leading edge
> of the back wing, forming a slot.  The slot would cause the airflow over
> the rear wing to increase, which caused an increase rear wing lift.  And of
> course, the rear wing is located aft of the CG.  Naturally, the plane would 
> pitch down more... the pilot pulls back more on the stick, the slot narrows,
> the air velocity increases, etc....

Soooo... roll the plane inverted and push out of the dive. :-)


-- 
     Steve Pennypacker		     PP-ASEL

     spenny@wiley.ts.stratus.com     Stephen_Pennypacker@vos.stratus.com
From: stephens@access.digex.com (John Stephens)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Article copying.
Date: 31 Dec 1992 04:24:41 GMT
Organization: Severn Companies, Inc., Lanham, MD 20706
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <24518@alice.att.com> ark@alice.UUCP () writes:
>In article <JASON.92Dec30080555@peyote.tfs.com> jason@peyote.tfs.com (Jason P. Venner) writes:
>
>> Unless your article has a legal copyright note on it, it is freely
>> copyable by anyone for any purpose.
>
>False.
>-- 
>				--Andrew Koenig
>				  ark@europa.att.com

Andrew is correct -- Jason is incorrect.  The mere act of
"publishing" establishes the copyright (according to the Berne
convention).  Something is "published" when it is made available
to others. This can be by writing it down on a piece of paper,
posting it to a computer network, printing it in a newspaper, or a
101 other mechanisms.  The (C) or similar notice is merely
convention -- its absense does not void the author's legal rights.
From: amm@NeXT.COM (Alan M. Marcum)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Ride Offerred
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:47:55 GMT
Reply-To: amm@NeXT.COM (Alan M. Marcum)
Distribution: ba

I'm tentatively flying from Palo Alto [PAO] to Orange County [SNA]
or to Fullerton [FUL] on Friday morning, January 8th, with a
return sometime Sunday afternoon, January 10th.  I currently
have three seats available in the plane (P210).  All aboard would
share costs evenly, I'd expect.

If you're interested, contact me by mail or phone (+1-415-780-2744).
--
Alan M. Marcum
NeXT Tech Support
amm@NeXT.COM
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: eandersn@mach1.wlu.ca (Niels Ejvind Andersen)
Subject: Re: Surviving a Commercial Aircraft Accident
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:04:21 GMT

Jordan Brown (jbrown@qdeck.com) wrote:
: Incidentally, I try to make it a habit to go though the whole how-to-fasten-
: and-unfasten-your-seatbelt thing with any new passengers, as I have had
: more than one passenger have problems unfastening the belt even after a
: quicky "you know how to use the seat belt, right?" briefing.  Amazing.
: These people must never have been on a commercial flight, and never been
: in a car made before 1970 or so.  But they're real, and especially in
: my one-door Piper it's very important to me that my passengers (especially
: the right front!) know how to unbuckle the seat belt...
: 
: Somebody told me a rather sad story about the victims of a crash who were
: killed in the post-crash fire because their almost-rescuers couldn't figure
: out how to operate the seat belt buckle.

This is a good point.  As well, if you're a pilot, consider the possibility
of a ditching, with the aircraft flipping over and hanging upside down in
the water.  It doesn't take much water  -- a farm pond can be lethal!
The passengers in both the front and back seast *must* know how to undo their
seatbelts, *and* know how to open the door(s) and window(s).  But don't
limit the briefing to *new* passengers.  Ask each passenger (unless you know
the passenger is a current pilot on that type of A/C) to show you how they
would undo the seatbelt, and how they would open the door and the window.
My passengers get a briefing before engine start, and the only passengers
who are immune from my briefing are themselves pilots (and I tell them
that I will omit their passenger briefing).  My most frequent passenger,
my 5-year old, can undo his seatbelt, but he is not yet strong enough to
open the door or the window on the Cessna 172.  By the time he is old
enough to take flying lessons himself, he is going to have heard my
passenger briefing almost a hundred times!
--
Niels Ejvind Andersen     [eandersn@mach2.wlu.ca / 70511.2302@compuserve.com]
Information Systems, Wilfrid Laurier University, Waterloo, ON  N2L 3C5 Canada
                                                                  ... VFR NC4
From: doug@alliant.com (Doug Bloomberg)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Ski Resorts
Summary: Western USA
Date: 2 Jan 93 23:49:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: alliant.1993Jan2.234921.2806
Distribution: usa
Organization: Alliant Computer Systems Corp.


	In case you get tired of the little bumps in the East for skiing,
	Aspen, Colorado  has a strip at the edge of town. Alt  7850', 7,000'
	long, controlled, with radar.

	Steamboat Springs, has an airport nearby, Hayden (Yampa Valley)
	Alt 6602', 10,000' long. Unicom 122.8.

	Beware there are a couple airports listed on the sectionals near
	Steamboat Springs and Vail shown as STOLports. You had better
	believe it, because then will not let you fly your plane out of 
	them if you should land at a stolport. (You have to remove the 
	wings and truck it out)

	Enjoy the skiing

	Doug Bloomberg

	Sat noon:
	Aspen:   42" base  p/pp 4" new snowstorm due Sunday/Monday
	Steamboat Springs: 40" p/pp 8" new Same snowstorm
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: foonberg@aero.org (Alan M. Foonberg)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: updated faa (us) nav data available
Date: 27 Dec 1992 08:27:15 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.aero.org

In article <1992Dec14.185711.6188@nntpserver.chevron.com> hdnea@usho92.hou281.chevron.com (David Neal) writes:
>
>If you use nav or fplan, the updated input files
>are on seas.smu.edu under the flight directory. 

Can anybody point me to either an on-line or written document where I can
find lat/lons of non-US airports?

Thanks,

Alan
-- 
Alan Foonberg
foonberg@aero.org
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: umpistun@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brent Pistun)
Subject: Aviatika-890
   Summary: 
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:48:35 GMT

   I was just reading through Trade-A-Plane and noticed that Pompano Air
Centre is selling an aircraft called the Aviatika 890, it's supposed
to be a single or 2 place light aerobatic biplane for under $22,000 and
manufactured by MIG...  Anyone here have any specs on this aircraft??


-- 
Brent E. Pistun                                       Computer Engineering
umpistun@CCU.UManitoba.CA                           University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: bdboyle@maverick1.erenj.com (Bryan D. Boyle)
Subject: Clearance Sale
Keywords: loran, headsets
Reply-To: bdboyle@maverick1.erenj.com (Bryan D. Boyle)
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 12:59:33 GMT


Well, it is time to get out of aviation, and, accordingly, I have some
excess equipment that is sitting around, and will probably not be used
in the near future.  I realize that after the holidays is probably not
the best time to offer this, and so forth, but, if interested, please
email me if you are interested; obviously, preference will be given
to NJ/Eastern PA/NY metro area pilots for delivery...

1 Apollo 618TCA loran w/tray, no antenna (was removed from my cherokee
when I sold it, but left the antenna behind...), manuals.  Yellow tagged,
complete database (25,000+ waypoints: apt, vor, intersections, OM, NDBs, etc.)
Multiple flight plans, slide in replacement for flybuddy.  $1000.00 obo

1 David Clark 10-80 headset, stereo wired, liquid seals, sheepskin
headband, works great.  $125.00

1 Sigtronics 10-30 clone, works.  $75.00

Cessna Pilot Center CFI course, never used, all manuals, etc.  $50.00

Flames, etc. to /dev/null, please.


--
Bryan D. Boyle     |Exxon doesn't pay me to voice their opinions...
Senior Engineer    |Semper ubi sub ubi.
bdboyle@erenj.com  |On a clear day, you can see forever on the Net...
From: amm@NeXT.COM (Alan M. Marcum)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Surviving a Commercial Aircraft Accident
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:38:56 GMT
Reply-To: amm@NeXT.COM (Alan M. Marcum)

Niels Ejvind Andersen writes
> I attended the Toronto Transport Canada Aviation Safety Seminar
> last night. One of the topics was "Surviving a Commercial Aviation
> Accident", and it was interesting enough that I'll post it here. 

Capt. Haynes, of UA232 fame, hits heavily on some of these
areas in his discussions.

>  Pay attention to the safety briefing given by the cabin attendants
>  at the beginning of the flight.  Read the pamphlet that describes
>  the aircraft exits and safety systems such as oxygen masks

Besides knowing how to don your mask, get an idea of where the
mask will be if it's deployed.  If there IS a rapid decompression
of the cabin, there'll be at least lots of dust flying around,
and likely a great deal of condensation, too.  You might well be
unable to see much.


>  5.  Know where the nearest exits are.  Get an aisle seat within
>      three rows of an emergency exit, and note the position of the
>      next nearest exit as well (your alternate exit).  Count the
>      number of seats between you and your exit, as well as the number
>      of seats between you and your alternate exit.

This is, really, very important.  Understand that if there IS
a crash, the airplane (or your section of it) might well be
upside-down.  Count the number of rows to the nearest exit
IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.

Finally, a bit of advice from a United flight attendant, who
also is a flight attendant instructor: take note of the oxygen
bottle locations.
--
Alan M. Marcum
NeXT Tech Support
amm@NeXT.COM
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc