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From: sjd@frieda.mitre.org (Stephen J. Darragh)
Subject: Re: Installing Multiple Language Scripts
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:52:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.140908.14652@tdb.uu.se> matsb@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell) writes:
>jenkinsj@blowfish.taligent.com (John H. Jenkins) writes:
>: 
>: The easy way:
>: 
>: Use the Installer.  Install the Hebrew and Arabic systems over your
>: English system one by one.  This will leave your whole system localized
>: as either Hebrew or Arabic (depending on which you did last), but if you
>: don't mind that, it's fast.
>: 
>: The hard way:
>: 
>: Install the Hebrew system (say) somewhere not over your English system. 
>: Boot from your English system.  Copy the following from your Hebrew
>: system folder and drop them on your English system folder; the Finder
>: will put them in the right places.
>: 
>: #1.  The Hebrew extension (Extensions folder)
>: #2.  The Hebrew control panels.
>: #3.  The Hebrew fonts, keyboards, and script (the System file--the
>: script has a little "world" icon).
>: 

If you have enough disk space to hold more than one copy of the system folder, you 
can get System Switcher or System Picker.  These will allow you to have both systems
and switch between the two.

Put Switcher on your machine.

Open the system folder and move the finder to some other location (up one level) and 
this will unbless the system folder (the icon won't show up).

You can now instal Arabic or Hebrew on this machine, reboot and it will boot
into that system.

Move the finder back to the english system folder.
You can now use switcher to move between the two (or more) languages.
This is a very simple way and works with no problems that I have run into and I have
been using this for the past year.

John,

  Doing the hard way, is there any problem with the direction of text?
  The only word processors that I know of for Arabic are AllScript and WinText.
  The only DTP package that I have heard of is AllPage.

A company called Davka has a ton of packages for Hebrew, and the above mentioned
Arabic programs.  Also Linguistic Systems offers software as well.

Steve Darragh
From: medin@cod.nosc.mil (Ted Medin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: HELP looking for appletalk zones
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:47:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego


 Have a mac running system 7 to an ethernet but am unable to see
the appletalk zones ... . Other macs on the net see the zones but not mine.
Am on a subnet, anyone got any ideas?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: f54713@sakura.kudpc.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Ellis Yan-Chee Lau)
Subject: Re: KanjiTalk on LC
Organization: Data Processing Center, Kyoto University, Kyoto, JAPAN
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:24:45 GMT

In article <14nh27INN1t6@agate.berkeley.edu> sasaki@physics20 (Yutaka Sasaki) writes:

 >In article <1992Jul22.203744.11045@polari> sparky@polari.online.com writes:
 >>I have been informed that the LC will not run any system below 6.0.7--
 >>thus, KanjiTalk 6.0.5 doesn't work.  (Amazing!)  Evidently, System 7.1,
 >>when it arrives, will have some great capabilities for multilingual
 >>users.6
 >>
 >Just get latest version of KanjiTalk (6.0.7 or 6.0.7.1).  It will let 
 >your LCs read and write Japanese!

In addition, get GomTalk and it will let you use KanjiTalk under system 7.

--
                <========================================>
                 From:  Ellis Yan-chee Lau   $@N-(J $@28;|(J
                        f54713@sakura.kudpc.kyoto-u.ac.jp
                        KYOTO UNIVERSITY, JAPAN
From: miyazaki@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Takeshi Miyazaki)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: KanjiTalk on LC
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:10:26 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <NAKAMURA.92Jul24183414@samosn2b.samos.semicon.sony.co.jp> nakamura@samos.semicon.sony.co.jp (Tadashi Nakamura) writes:
>Although, we get the system on floppy disks when we buy the machines,
>I have not seen them in any computer stores nor on any ads on the
>magazines.

Actually so called authorized dealers sell "KanjiTalk Upgrade Kit"
here in the states. I heard that the price is $250. And another $150
for Kanji TrueType.

As always, it is cheaper than in Japan.

-- 
Takeshi Miyazaki (miyazaki@ee.princeton.edu)
From: jenkinsj@blowfish.taligent.com (John H. Jenkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Installing Multiple Language Scripts
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:14:05 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Taligent, Inc.


The easy way:

Use the Installer.  Install the Hebrew and Arabic systems over your
English system one by one.  This will leave your whole system localized
as either Hebrew or Arabic (depending on which you did last), but if you
don't mind that, it's fast.

The hard way:

Install the Hebrew system (say) somewhere not over your English system. 
Boot from your English system.  Copy the following from your Hebrew
system folder and drop them on your English system folder; the Finder
will put them in the right places.

#1.  The Hebrew extension (Extensions folder)
#2.  The Hebrew control panels.
#3.  The Hebrew fonts, keyboards, and script (the System file--the
script has a little "world" icon).

This will do it.

----

John H. Jenkins
John_Jenkins@taligent.com
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:10526 comp.sys.mac.misc:14088
From: yahnke@macc.wisc.edu (Ross Yahnke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Massive "Rename"
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:58:56 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Jul28.230925.2736@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:
> Does any body know of any way or utilitiy to rename more than one files
> at a time. If there are large number of files to be renamed (e.g * to *.bak),
> changing name of every file by point+click+type+click method becomes a pain!

BatFiler, a shareware app, will do this.

- Ross
From: gustilo@pop-server.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Close View and Screen Inversion
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:34:47 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

greetings,

You can invert your screen (white characters on black background) using
this Apple CDEV (cp). The only drawback is that it insists on drawing a
white square around the mouse arrow.

Is there any way to turn this feature of CloseView off? I'd really like an
inverted screen on my mac. It really helps on those long sessions in front
of the monitor.


Standrd Disclaimer:
  I am not responsible for comments that I make after 3:00 AM or after five
cups of coffee, whichever comes first.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Michael Hecht <Michael_Hecht@mac.sas.com>
Subject: Mac IIfx, VM, 32-bit addressing, & EtherTalk freeze-up
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d1
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:21:12 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

Any insight on the following incompatibility?

Hardware:
   Macintosh IIfx, 8 MB RAM
   Internal 80 MB Apple HD
   External "160SC" 160 MB Apple HD
   Apple CD SC CD-ROM Drive

Software:
   System 7.0.1 + Tune-Up 1.1.1

I wanted to increase available RAM, so I turned on virtual memory and
32-bit addressing. I created a 20 MB swap file on the external drive. I
restarted, and the Mac froze right after the "Debugger installed" message.

After much playing around, I determined that it *wasn't*

   - MacsBug 6.2.2 or any of my 'dcmd's
   - any of my other extensions (never got that far!)

I finally determined that the culprit was my EtherTalk driver!!
Restarting with either VM, 32-bit addr., or EtherTalk turned off would
work perfectly! For the last case, I could open the Network control panel
and switch to EtherTalk. This would cause one of three things to happen:

   - Immediate mouse freeze
   - Mouse still moves, but the Mac is dead
   - The Finder exits. Trying to switch to EtherTalk a second time 
     results in immediate mouse freeze.

This was all using the EtherTalk phase 2 driver installed by System
7.0.1. I also tried installing the driver from the Network Software
Installer 1.2.1 disk (EtherTalk 2.3.1), with the same effect.

I looked on AppleLink but couldn't find any reference to this problem.
Does Apple know about this?

I'm currently running with VM, EtherTalk, and *no* 32-bit addr., which
limits me to 11 MB of virtual memory. Does anyone have a better work
around?

Has anyone seen this before? Am I the only one?

--Michael

=======================================================================
Michael P. Hecht                 | Internet:  Michael_Hecht@mac.sas.com
SAS Institute Inc.; Cary, NC USA | AppleLink: SAS.HECHT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama)
Subject: Re: ftp'd files won't binhex or anything!
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:50:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.113305.6945@cerritos.edu> jacobs@cerritos.edu writes:
>In article <bondir.40.0@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu>, bondir@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu writes:
>> What am I doing wrong?  The only files I download via ftp from sites that I 
>> can "revive" are ones that end in .hqx.  These I download on an IBM to a
>> DOS floppy, read it on a Mac with a SuperDrive and AccessPC, deBinHex with
>> CompactPro, and then either unstuffit or uncompact, no problem.  Files endin
>> in anything else, even in familiar old .SIT, I can neither unstuff nor
>> deBinHex.  I always get in ftp after typing "binary" first.  What am I doing>> wrong?
>> 
>	I have the same problem with my system. Apparently any file other than
>those in .hqx format are actually a Mac file, even while being downloaded. Thi
>even applies to files in MacBinary that all the people with ethernet cards in
>their Macs love. As far as I know, those of us who have to download through a
>pc have know other option but to look for files in .hqx, anything else doesn't
>survive the transfer through an ibm.
>
>If any of you wizards out ther have a solution, please let us know,
>
>Karl

Well, the files  you  can find from  garbo.uwasa.fi  (or nic.funet.fi)
ending  like .sea, .sit, .cpt etc  are really MacBinary files.  If you
can't download  them using MacBinary protocol  then  you must download
them  using normal  'binary'.   If  using  MacBinary  they  come right
through. If not then you must use a program called  MacBinary than you
can find as BinHexed from our mac/comm dir. That program puts the data
and resource forks where Mac wants them to be.

-harri-
-- 
///// Harri Valkama (hv@uwasa.fi, NeXTmail: hv@bacall.uwasa.fi)
///// University of Vaasa, P.O.Box 700, 65101 VAASA, Finland 
///// Telephone:+358 61 3248364  fax:+358 61 3248465
///// Anonymous ftp site moderator at garbo.uwasa.fi (128.214.87.1)
From: Leo_w@qm.circa.ufl.edu (Leo  Wierzbowski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Installing Multiple Language Scripts
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:52:22 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida

I too have tried to install Arabic, Hebrew, etc., scripts into U.S. system
7.0.1 without success, following the tips in Inside Macintosh VI (the chapter
on worldwide software).

Does anybody know of any documentation that describes the proper installation
method?  I would like to offer multiple scripts to our students in our
labs, since our students and faculty come from all over the globe.  
The ability to handle multiple scripts appears to be built-in system 7.  
It would make many students and faculty happy -- and impressed with the
Macintosh computers.

Sincerely,
Leo Wierzbowski
Mac Systems Programmer
Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities
University of Florida
Leo_w@qm.circa.ufl.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: srb@aretha.jax.org (Susan Dewey)
Subject: Sharing under system 7
Organization: The Jackson Laboratory
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 13:41:06 GMT

I am looking for some 'how to' literature on file/folder sharing under 
system 7.  I have read something somewhere about using aliases to be able
to share the same files with different people. Each person could then be 
granted a different set of privileges for viewing or editing the same file.

I also need to be able to access my entire hard disk from a remote site without
giving people sharing folders on my disk the same privilege.

So how do I do these things?

Susan Dewey
srb@aretha.jax.org

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Subject: Re: "Get Info" reports different size when file is moved
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:22:06 GMT

In article <1592g8INNptm@early-bird.think.com> ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac) writes:
>This is unrelated to System 7/6 differences. The volume organization
>is unchanged since the introduction of HFS around System 4.1(?). Of
>course, nobody had a 1.2GB disk on their Mac then. 

System 3.2 was the first stable system supporting HFS. (June 1986)

-- 
John Cavallino                  |  EMail: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
University of Chicago Hospitals |         John_Cavallino@uchfm.bsd.uchicago.edu
Office of Facilities Management | USMail: 5841 S. Maryland Ave, MC 0953
B0 f++ c+ g++ k s++ e+ h- pv    |         Chicago, IL  60637
From: nakamura@samos.semicon.sony.co.jp (Tadashi Nakamura)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: ** Can I use KanjiTalk 6.0.2 on IIci ? **
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:20:35 GMT
Organization: Sony corp. System LSI group, Kanagawa, Japan.
In-reply-to: noriaki@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au's message of 27 Jul 92 03:52:45 GMT


In article <9220913.9561@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
noriaki@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Noriaki onodera) writes:
 :I tried to install KJ6.0.2 on IIci but always failed, could not boot the
 :disk.
 :
 :Do I need KanjiTalk 6.0.7 on IIci ?  Any idea ?
I am not sure what the minimum requirement for IIci is, but all the
IIci machines in my office are running KanjiTalk 6.0.7 quite happily.

--
========================================================
| Tadashi NAKAMURA (nakamura@samos.semicon.sony.co.jp) |
| System LSI Gp., SONY Corp., Atsugi Technology Centre |
+------------------------------------------------------+
|                                   >> NOT <<          |
|    What I say is my own opinion. "It's a Sony"       |
----------------------------------------^---------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: Best Mac Programming Books & Languages ?
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:08:22 GMT

.flinders.edu.au> rfrost@degas.jrc.flinders.edu.au (Richard Frost) writes:


   1) What are the BEST Technical References for Mac programming ..
      especially ones that covers the System 7 API.

Inside Mac, volumes I, II, IV, V and VI. Note that I and II often are
wrong these days, but still provide the necessary base. The new
stuff in System 7 is in VI (which has stuff for system 6 as well)

   2) What is the BEST C compiler to program the Mac in.. we currently
      have Think C Version 4.0 (I just unwrapped it last week) and
      was annoyed to find it was non-ANSI (it was dated 1989 so I was
      not surprised). is the latest version (6.0??) ANSI?

Think C 5.0 is pretty decent (comes with good class library) and
is ANSI. 6.0 is on it's way and supposed to be C++ as well, but
not out yet.

MPW C is better because it shows many error messages at the same
time, but it's so SLOOOOW !

   3) What are the BEST books covering Mac Networking both at the user level
      and programming level.

Well, AppleTalk Programmers Manual, and Inside Mac.

   4) Are there any books that describe Apple's QuickTime extension for programmers.

Yes, the QuickTime documentation (about the size of IM VI, i.e.
10 pounds or so :-)

   5) What are the advantages of registering as a Apple Developer??.. how much
      more information can you get?

You get a CD every month with the very latest info online, and
you may get better support from Apple. If you don't have the
dough ($350 or $600 ?) you can subscribe to _develop_ at $30/year
and get every third CD in it...

   6) What magazines are oriented towards programming the Macintosh and assume more
      than a 'dumb user'. 

_develop_ and MacTutor come to mind.

-- 
      Jon W{tte, Svartmangatan 18, S-111 29 Stockholm, Sweden
                  h+@nada.kth.se    +46-10-141652

              My cat usually runs around on the roof.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: mackd@vccsouth13.its.rpi.edu (Mack)
Subject: Re: Mac IIfx, VM, 32-bit addressing, & EtherTalk freeze-up
Reply-To: mackd@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:14:26 GMT

I also have trouble with 32-bit addressing.  I'm using a SE/30 5/40
and when I turn on MODE32 and 32-bit addressing I crash UNLESS
I take SuperClock(latest version) and throw it in the disabled folder.
I also run sys7.0 with 8meg virtual.

Why all this trouble with 32-bit adressing?

	-Mack
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Mike Wiese <mlwiese@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Sys 7 Startup disk fiasco
Organization: MIT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
     <solo.711832397@deathstar>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:03:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.133842.17627@news.duc.auburn.edu> Wade Williams,
wadew@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>We use a program called RevRdist to manage the hard drives in our labs. 
>Occassionally, we have to start up off of a floppy to run RevRdist to
rebuild
>our hard drive.  We're getting some Quadras in, so all of our labs will
be
>going to System 7.
>
>Because the Quadras will not run anything but System 7, that means will
have to
>startup with a System 7 disk to run RevRdist.  RevRdist requires the
following
>items:
>1)  The Finder
>2)  The Chooser
>3)  AppleShare
>
>RevRdist is a 73K application.  Guess what folks?  You can't fit a 73K
>application on a minimal System 7 startup disk if you put the Chooser and
>Appleshare on there too.

We use RevRdist too. I made a HD boot disk with System 7.0.1, AppleShare,
the latest ethernet software (since all of our Macs are on ethernet), and
RevRdist. I did this by removing the Finder, putting the freeware
"NoFinder" in its place. NoFinder must be renamed to Finder (there is
some way to avoid this, since Norton Utilites does it, but I don't know
how).

It is not possible to use Apple Menu Items unless the Finder is running,
hence it is not possible to use the Chooser with my setup. Instead, use
another Mac to make an alias to an application on a file server, when you
launch the alias with NoFinder, the system will mount the file server
automatically (asking for a password if necessary).

Even if you boot with my setup, you can launch the Finder on the Mac's
hard disk with NoFinder and then the Apple Menu comes back, and you can
double-click the Chooser in the Apple Menu Items folder on the hard disk.

You could probably put RevRdist in the Startup Items folder and have it
work, since it knows how to mount file servers.

Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Subject: Re: new Inside Mac : Pascal or C ?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:30:43 GMT

ifstadelmann@cnedcu51.bitnet (Patrick Stadelmann) writes:
|
| Does anyone know if the new Inside Mac will be written in C or in Pascal ?
|

Hopefully it'll be written in English.  With C interfaces, but I bet they
will continue with the Pascal interface.

-Brent
-- 
+-------------------------+  Pale Terror trembling guards the fountain's head,
|Brent P. Burton, N5VMG   |  And rouses Fancy on her wakeful bed;
|bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu  |  From realms of viewless spirits tears the veil,
+-------------------------+  And there reveals the unutterable tale. - M. Lewis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: gregory@atto.cs.umn.edu (Greg Olson)
Subject: Re: Can MacX be run on Mac IIci? 
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:35:16 GMT

In <honson-300792162241@dido.ccs.yorku.ca> honson@orion.yorku.ca (Honson Kan) writes:

>hello,

>Can MacX be run on a MacII ci?  What configuration is needed?
>I have a MacII ci with 8M of memory.

>Thanks,

>Honson Kan


Im running MacX on a IIci right now... 8M.  I did set the memory for MacX at 
2M instead of the suggested 1.5M because I was running low on memory with
several windows open.

Greg
--
"Most differences are merely differences of degree, when nicely analyzed."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: rrumpf@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert Rumpf)
Subject: System 7:  Flat icons?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:57:36 GMT

I just installed System 7 on a Mac II.  On my IIci at home, the desktop folder 
icons are nice, 3-dimensional colored icons.  On the II at work, the icons are 
flat, 2-dimensional and colorless.  The II has an Apple 8-bit video card 
installed; the IIci is using on-board video.  How can I get those nice icons on
the Mac II?

Bob
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: brandy@tramp.Colorado.EDU (BRANDAUER CARL M)
Subject: Re: Dvorak vs QWERTY (-: (was DVORAK Keyboard driver)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:42:41 GMT

While the Dvorak keyboard may have led to improved typing speed with
the mechanical devices available at the time Dvorak did his original
work, the human factors literature abounds with papers that show that
there is no difference in performance for highly trained people using
more modern equipment.

Of course none of this matters to those who hold their version of the
truth to be self-evident and sacred.
From: par@nwu.edu (Pete A. Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: How to uninstall System 7?
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:21:08 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Northwestern University

In article <4069@news.duke.edu>, jwang@phy.duke.edu (James Wang) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Jul24.090158.2866@memstvx1.memst.edu> harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
> >How can I deinstall System 7?
> >
> >     Just trying to install 6.07 doesn't work.
> >
> >
> >What machines have to run System 7?
> > 
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >James W. Harris, Memphis State University, Education - 200, Memphis, TN  38152
> >901-678-4632                                       harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu
> 
> Follow these steps to de-install System 7:
> 
> 1 >>>	startup the computer in question with a floppy disk (use the 6.0.x
> 	installer disk for this would make things easier, except you may need
> 	to quit from the Installer application that is ran on bootup.)
> 2 >>>	after the hard drive mounts, do a quick backup of the extensions you
> 	will be saving by moving them out of the system folder.
> 3 >>>	drag the system folder (all of it) into the trash and empty it.
> 4 >>>	now ran the installer for 6.0.x
> 

A friend of mine installed System 7 on a IIsi with only 2 meg RAM.  He was
using virtual memory to get by, but the machine was extremely slow.  I
recommended that I install 6.0.7 until he buys more memory.  I started up
with a system 6.0.7 startup, used Compact Pro to archive the System 7
folder, and then ran the System 6.0.7 installer.  This worked fine.  Also,
if he ever buys more memory he can just delete 6.0.7 and uncompress System
7.
Undergraduate Admissions

______________________________
Pete Rodriguez
Northwestern University
Undergraduate Admissions
E-mail:par@nwu.edu
       pete@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
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