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From: sam@terapin.com (Sam Lewit)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: california (without drivers license)
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:38:51 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <25930@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:

>happens after that but something goes on to SD.   The Coast Starlight
>is a great trip, goes thru some non-hiway-accessible country on the stretch
>N of Santa Barbara, & is very comfortable.  A little on the slow
>side, the hiway may be faster.  I can't help with packages or rates,
>it's been a couple years since I did this trip & it would be best
>to consult AMTRAK.  Incidentally, a consideration, AMTRAK seems to
>choose the absolute worst neiborhoods to site its stations.  In
>the Bay Area the Richmond station connects directly to BART.

The Coast Starlight goes from Seattle to Los Angeles DAILY. It is one of
Amtrak's most scenic routes (following the coastline in southern cal and going
through some fairly rugged mountains through Oregon & Washington). If you are
in a hurry, Amtrak is the worst option being slower than car, bus, and plane.
But if I had the time, I would take it over any other mode in a second. You
meet great people, and take in some wonderful scenery.

A footnote to the comment about Amtrak's bad neighborhood stations. I think
he's referring specifically to Oakland's station in which case nobody would
argue. But Amtrak is planning to move their station to the Jack London Sqaure
area which is considerably more convenient and safer than the current location
which is truly in the middle of nowhere. I know there are plenty of other
stations in the US which are in bad spots, but on the Coast Starlight route,
excluding Oakland, I can't think of one which is located in a bad area
(including Los Angeles).
Newsgroups: alt.california,bit.listserv.travel-l,rec.travel,alt.beer,rec.roller-coaster
From: mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil)
Subject: thanx for cali-info / more questions
Organization: GMD-Fokus (Berlin)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:28:43 GMT

hi,
    thanx for all the infos about california. 

some new questions (please reply direct):

should i try MAGIC MOUNTAINS, DISNEYLAND, both,
or nothing (my GF don't like thinkgs like that)!
i don't want to see stupid donalds and goofys,
but i'm interested in every kind of funny things.

which parks should we visit (i want to see the
BIG trees, not the midsize).

is the amtrak-net big enough (lots of stops even
in smaller cities near the cost)? are there a lot 
of trains going each day (or just once a week)?
in this case i would buy this 45 days card for
$159 (i hate to fly and greyhound is - as i heard -
not save and fast enough).

that's it!

thanx - tB!

ps - we have no drivers licenses!
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Subject: Re: Public transit in LA(again!)
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:06:13 GMT

ah ! my farviorte subject and hobby! which is giving out bus information
first off, when will you been here in LA? (before Sept 30?)
bus services are pretty good around the Santa Monica Bay area, where you
will be staying. from Ocean Park, its only 1 bus (and about 2 miles to
Venice) so you could walk along the Ocean Front Walk
to get to Manhatten Beachs about 2 buses. 
(I am assumeinbg you are staying near Ocean Park & Main) which is a major
intersection in the Santa Monica (Ocean Park area).
now if you are coming before Sept 30, RTD (thats the bus co that services
In <1992Aug29.153536.26840@cis.ohio-state.edu>
romeo@glockenspiel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:

>
>I will be visiting LA next week and since I am only 20,(I do have credit cards
>though) I have found it nearly impossible to find a rental car with unlimited
>miles at a decent rate. The lowest rate I received was from "Showcase Rental" 
>for $40/day -> $20/day plus $20 surcharge because I am under 21 -what a bunch
>of BS! Since me and my 22 year old friend(who doesn't have credit and therefore
>cannot rent either) cannot afford rates this high, unfortunately we will have
>to take a bus, or something, to get around LA in. We are staying in Santa
>Monica near Ocean Park Dr. and were wondering how difficult taking the bus
>to places like Venice Beach, Manhatten Beach, NBC Studios in Burbank and the 
>general Hollywood area would be and how we would go about getting information
>on schedules,etc. I heard that there was something else called "The Blue Line
>of Los Angeles" - a light rail system that runs from LA 22 miles south to `
>Long Beach -anybody know about this? OR, out of the blue know where, by some
>miracle, I or my friend can rent a car for around $20 or less a day depending
>on the circumstances listed above?
>
>						Very much appreciated,
>
>								John

Newsgroups: alt.california
From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS)
Subject: Re: OOPS!!!
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:37:23 PDT

> Nope!  SORRY!!  I was born in Elizabeth, New Jersey, and boy, am I glad.
> I'm PROUD AS PUNCH to have NOT been born in a LOSER state like
> ..Bulls**t deleted...
> and you get shot by the Blacks, and your buildings all fall down!!!
>
>
> GARY STOLLMAN
> (waiting, hoping, and praying for the BIG ONE)

Yeah, get a life (must be waiting for the BIG ONE to get him from
behind...) ...must be news group envy or something.
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: romeo@glockenspiel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Public transit in LA(again!)
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:35:36 GMT


I will be visiting LA next week and since I am only 20,(I do have credit cards
though) I have found it nearly impossible to find a rental car with unlimited
miles at a decent rate. The lowest rate I received was from "Showcase Rental" 
for $40/day -> $20/day plus $20 surcharge because I am under 21 -what a bunch
of BS! Since me and my 22 year old friend(who doesn't have credit and therefore
cannot rent either) cannot afford rates this high, unfortunately we will have
to take a bus, or something, to get around LA in. We are staying in Santa
Monica near Ocean Park Dr. and were wondering how difficult taking the bus
to places like Venice Beach, Manhatten Beach, NBC Studios in Burbank and the 
general Hollywood area would be and how we would go about getting information
on schedules,etc. I heard that there was something else called "The Blue Line
of Los Angeles" - a light rail system that runs from LA 22 miles south to `
Long Beach -anybody know about this? OR, out of the blue know where, by some
miracle, I or my friend can rent a car for around $20 or less a day depending
on the circumstances listed above?

						Very much appreciated,

								John

Newsgroups: alt.california
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Subject: Re: Paradise lost and Medi-Cal...
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:57:14 GMT

speaking of Fire depts a lot of cities have what is called a Mutal aid 
like Santa Monica fire dept sent one engine as far as Santa Barbara to help
fight the Santa barbara wildfires etc
and when the riots occured here in LA, Tustin, Riverside Co and Orange Co
sheiffs came out and help out as well
From: dsewell@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (SEWELL, DAVID R.)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Don't Move to Tucson
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:41:00 GMT
Distribution: na,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Everyone knows that after a couple years of riots, earthquakes, fires,
and budget crises a lot of Californians are thinking about moving out of
state.  But take it from a native Southern Californian: don't move to
Tucson.  You'll hate it here.

For starters, there's no beach.  Not even a decent water park (like in
Phoenix--now, Phoenix is a place you might want to consider...).  You
have to drive three hours to the Gulf of California and even then
there's no surf to speak of.  Not even any rivers to jet-ski on, they're
all dry washes in Tucson.

There's absolutely nothing to do here.  No amusement parks--God's truth.
The closest thing to it is a miniature golf place with video games and
go-karts.  No major league baseball or football teams.  Even the
Cleveland Indians moved their spring training camp out of here a couple
years ago (to Homestead, FL, but that's another story).  Hardly any
sidewalk cafes.  (Now Phoenix has some cool sidewalk cafes where you can
sit out under the micromist and watch the beautiful people stroll
by--you might want to check that out.)  Terrible music scene, unless you
like Philip Glass premieres and tours by Celtic folk-rockers who like
the desert because there's nothing like it in Scotland.  The typical
Tucsonian's idea of a good time is to get up at 5:30 for an 18-mile hike
into the Catalina Mountains.  Really!

Only two freeways here, and they don't go anywhere you want to go
(except I-10, which goes to Phoenix).  Boringest architecture in the
world.  The developers mostly try to make houses blend in with the
scenery so they all get painted drab earth colors, and then instead of
planting palms or jacarandas or something bright they landscape with
what they call "low water" plants, mostly the same old things that grow
around here anyway, like barrel cactuses and mesquite trees.  And
Tucsonians' biggest hobby is knowing the name of everything that grows
around here, and gathering prickly pear fruit to make jelly, and writing
newspaper articles about it!

Culture here has no class whatsoever.  You'd think Hollywood was in
another world or something, and forget po-mo.  The big name writers in
town are guys who still talk about Ed Abbey and do totally bogus things
like recreate 150-mile ritual runs of the Mojave Indians from Yuma to
the middle of nowhere.  Give me a break!

Just thought I'd warn you.  I'd get out, but...well, you know how it is.
Someone's gotta live here, I guess.  If I were you I'd be thinking
Oregon, Seattle... if it has to be Arizona I'd check out Phoenix.  Or
Bullhead City--kinda warm, yeah, but you can run your speedboat on the
River & do the casinos in Laughlin whenever you want.  But Tucson--
forget it.

David Sewell
(former resident of Sacramento, Monterey Park, Alpine, San Diego, La
Jolla, and Rainbow, California)
Xref: sparky alt.california:1709 bit.listserv.travel-l:2313 rec.travel:12950
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: alt.california,bit.listserv.travel-l,rec.travel
Subject: Re: california (without drivers license)
Date: 4 Sep 1992 19:29:34 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

Henry Mensch writes:
mike>...  Incidentally, a consideration, AMTRAK seems to
mike>choose the absolute worst neiborhoods to site its stations.  In

>umm, the rail stations were there longer than those "worst"
>neighborhoods were ...

But AMTRAK hasn't, it's only about 20 yrs old, & those areas have been
"beat" for far longer.  They had a choice -- & in some cases, it sure
seems to me like they made the worst possible choices.  A trailer &
a canopy by an old siding somewhere safe would have been a lot better
choice than that hole in Oakland.  Probably cheaper too.

Now, the Richmond AMTRAK station _is_ brand-spanking-BART-new, BART politics
terminated BART where it did in beautiful downtown Richmond.  It's not
a good location per se but it is directly connected to Bay Area
mass transit, an astonishing (for here) virtue that overcomes the
disadvantage of its dodgy location.

>->spectacular north coast beaches (as well as Oregon beaches) tho
>->access to them w/o a car is difficult.

>and for good reason: they don't want boatloads of tourists up there
>looking for quiet beaches.

Outside of Bolinas (which may still be reachable by bus) I don't 
believe that's true at all.  They're just too far away from
metro areas to support bus access.  They crave tourist trade
up there -- they may say differently at times, but the emphasis
on building speaks louder.

I'm sure "boatloads" of tourists would be quite welcome at the
Bodega Bay marina (which has had a lot of hard times, acc to some
locals I've heard from).
From: mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Paradise lost and Medi-Cal...
Date: 2 Sep 1992 21:55:23 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Reply-To: mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.82

carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
#>Yes, some institutions large enough to qualify as communities themselves have
#>private police forces.  You're still setting up police forces at the community,

#>an unsubscribed property or vice versa.  Can you cite an example of a city
#>anywhere in the world that has a similar policy?

So what?  You claimed that these services couldn't be provided selectively,
& I provided some common examples where they are provided that way.
As far as I can tell these objections are just an attempt to dodge.
Xref: sparky alt.smouldering.dog.zone:61 misc.test:10107 alt.newbie:98 rec.pets.dogs:10154
From: brian@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Fennimore)
Newsgroups: alt.smouldering.dog.zone,misc.test,alt.newbie,rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Wondering
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:08:12 GMT
Reply-To: brian@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Fennimore)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Aug23.032148.13236@butt.cheese.org> notbiff@captain.warlord.butt.cheese.org (NOTBIFF) writes:
>bibby@heroes.UUCP (Big Bob) writes:
>
>>      What is the best flea and tick shampoo for a black lab?
>
>WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO SPAY MY
>DOG?  I WANT TO DO IT MYSELF AND SAVE MONEY ON THE RIDICULOUS VET
>BILLS.
>
>ALSO CAN YOU TELL ME HOW TO TELL WHETHER MY DOG IS A BOY OR A GIRL?  I
>THINK THAT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT BEFORE I BEGIN.
>
>THANKS.

Hey pal, don't you have anything more intelligent to contribute?

Brian
Newsgroups: alt.job.gooley,talk.bizarre,alt.fan.gooley,alt.politics.gooley,misc.jobs.offered
From: rdc@netcom.com (Rachel Dafni Christy)
Subject: GOOLEY: "EMPLOYED, EMPLOYED, THANK GOD ALMIGHTY, EMPLOYED AT LAST"
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 02:15:07 GMT
Organization: 'Ex-Biology Grad Student, Student of Life.
Followup-To: alt.job.gooley,talk.bizarre,alt.fan.gooley,alt.politics.gooley,misc.test,misc.jobs.offered


Employer to Gooley: "You're hired!"

Boulder, CO (AP) -- In a surprise
that shook career advisors throughout
the Illinois area, Markian Gooley,
became employed.  The 29 year old was
dubbed by People Magazine "Perpetual
Ph.D.  Student of the Year" and was
seen on the cover of Time Magazine's
"Unemployeed" issue.
  The employer seems to be US West,
maker of radioactive phones and toxic
chemicals.  Mr. Gooley is reportedly
fitting in well, and has been dubbed
by his co-workers "Homer," in
reference to his knowledge of ancient
Greece and his similarity to Homer
Simpson.
  Mr. Gooley is reportedly having a
wonderfully frightening time.  "There
are icky girls all around.  Girls
with tight dresses.  Sure I want to
lick them, but my drool is really
embarrassing."
  Mr. Gooley reportedly works in the
mail room.
.

-- 
--
hugs, Rachel
Newsgroups: alt.job.gooley,talk.bizarre
From: rjones@dsd.es.com (Ray Jones - Perp)
Subject: Re: GOOLEY
Keywords: heh heh heh
Reply-To: rjones@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 20:23:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.155617.18072@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, PJF4081@cc.utah.edu (mr. wonderful) writes:
>
>
>	happy to hear that you ot a job and that it's not in californication.
>	if you ever make the 8 hour trip to hell (salt lake, utah) write me 
>	and i will be forced to feed you quantities of controlled substances.
>	have a lovely time and all that fun fun stuff.

It's not worth it.

rjones
(Who has been there for 20 years now.)
Newsgroups: alt.job.gooley,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Typo
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:51:49 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <BtnMsr.M7t@nntp-sc.Intel.COM> bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
>As reads:  Gooley got a job.
>Should read:  Gooley got a gob.
>
>				--Blair
>				  "Hey, sailor, wanna
>				   have a good time?"


Mark has been around long enough to fully comprehend the consequences of
saying "Hello, sailor".

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.job.gooley,talk.bizarre
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Subject: Typo
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:17:14 GMT

As reads:  Gooley got a job.
Should read:  Gooley got a gob.

				--Blair
				  "Hey, sailor, wanna
				   have a good time?"
From: ech@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:51:06 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Aug28.102641.1272@guvax.georgetown.edu>, jsikking@guvax.georgetown.edu writes:
> 
> 		The strength of US beer is 3.2%, all beer imported and 
> brewed in the US must be 3.2%.  If it is not 3.2% it is considered 
> something else (e.i. Malt liquor 5.2%, etc.).  The reason for this is 
> that at the end of Prohibition the Constitutional Admendment that 
> repealed it stated that beer of 3.2% could be brewed in the boarders 
> of the US.  We can all thank FDR for this and many other bills he 
> passed.  Before I get conterdicted you can have beer that is less then 
> 3.2%, but the most powerful beer can only be 3.2%.  If you have a beer 
> that is stronger then 3.2%, such as Uerbock (sp) 23, it may only be 
> served by a placed licened to serve hard alcohol.
> 
> -John


	Just a point of information, but I believe the stated amount
of 3.2% is by weight, and thus equivalent to about 4.3% by volume.
This is one of the little things that screws up canadians who visit
the States and come back saying "the beer is only 3%".
	Ed
From: dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Homemade Black and Tans
Date: 26 Aug 1992 22:13:45 GMT
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: delay.cs.brown.edu

I asked this a while ago, and had no response...

How can I go about making Black and Tans at home... with bottled brews of course.
I've tried a couple of times to no avail, and REALLY would like to do this.

-David V.
 dwv@cs.brown.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: mece1xg@Rosie.UH.EDU (purna)
Subject: Re: Blue Velvet: Heineken, ...
Reply-To: mece1xg@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:21:47 GMT

In article <rickman.715525452@marie>, rickman@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Rickmer Kose) writes:
>did anyone watch the movie blue velvet?
>
>frank asks: whats your favourite beer?
>answer    : Heineken.
>frank     : fuck Heineken! Pebbs Blue Ribbon!
>
>Sounds nice. But absolutely noone here knows this kind of beer.
>Who is able to help me and tells me where to order that beer?
>
>Rick

hi!

it's been while since i saw that movie but i believe he said
Pabst Blue Ribbon, not Pebbs.  as far as the beer is concerned,
i've only had it once and didn't care for it  myself.  then again,
i prefer "real" beer (i.e. my homebrew :)).

peace,
-purna
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: david@master.uchicago.edu
Subject: 33 -- what does it mean ?!? (Beufort)
Organization: University of Chicago, Department of Anatomy
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:52:32 GMT

Has anyone heard the Rolling Rock commercials asking what the 33 on the
back of the bottle means ?  They are playing here in chicago at least.  Could
it be a generic brewing reference and not related directly to RR ? The reason
I ask is because when I was in Africa (Cameroon to be exact) a couple of 
years ago, I had a beer called "33" brewed by Beufort.  I also saw Beufort in 
Paris and I think I saw "33" there too.  Any ideas what this number could mean?


Also, since I've mentioned it, has anyone seen Beufort in the states ?  It
came in green half-liter bottles in Africa in a green label, and good warm
(refrigeration's a luxery in Cameroon.)  


Thanks !!!!

P.S. in reference to earlier conversations about mass market beers, Guiness is
very big in Africa -- they even market a low/non-alcoholic version that they
say is "Good for the whole family"


					-David
Xref: sparky alt.beer:5140 soc.culture.canada:6192 can.politics:6290
Newsgroups: alt.beer,soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Labatts/Molsons up beer prices 2.5% because of wet Ontario s
From: Derek Rose <derose@vassar.edu>
Date: 30 Aug 92 00:56:32 +1000
Distribution: world
Organization: Vassar College
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9X-XXDate: Sun, 30 Aug 92 05:55:15 GMTLines: 30

In article <1992Aug24.102942.7109@ac.dal.ca> , ech@ac.dal.ca writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.184117.1454@rosedale.uucp>, dcb@rosedale.uucp
(Dave 
>Breneman) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug16.141642.1165@meadow.uucp> marc@meadow.UUCP (Marc
Riehm) writes:
>> 
>> Another interesting thing in this story is that these companies are
>> behaving like *monopolists*.  Nobody else reacts to a sagging
>> market by *raising* prices!  It's certain death in a competitive
>> environment.  Are these companies guaranteed a certain percentage
>> of all beer sales?  Otherwise, all that raising prices would do is
>> reduce their market share more.  (I am operating, of course, on the
>> assumption that mass-produced national beers are fungible and therefore
>> an area of perfect competition - the products are indistinguishable for
>> all practical purposes from their competition.
>
>
Well, part of the problem is that competition has been restricted. In
response to pressure from domestic beer distributors, the U.S. slapped a
stiff tarriff on Canadian beer a few weeks ago. I forget what the pretext
was, but it was pretty clearly an election-year move.  Canada retaliated
by raising tarriffs on Strohs and another company, I forget which, the
initiators of the complaint.  That might teach the American beer
companies a lesson, but it will also hurt Canadian consumers, as we've
seen.
Sorry I can't be more specific -- somewhere I have a press release from
Molson on their reaction to the U.S. tarriff, which also gives background
info. I can did it up if anyone is really interested.
Derek
From: crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Girafs in Denmark
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:34:24 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Aug31.175253.3696@leland.Stanford.EDU> jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
>>Belgium either.  Isn't that where Elephant Lager comes from?
>>
>	Nope.  It's from Denmark, too.  I can't remember off hand whether its
>Carlsberg or Tuborg that brews it though.  Doesn't really matter, I suppose,

   Elephant is made by the Carlsberg breweries.  However, if I remember
correctly, Elephant is categorized as a Malt Liquor rather than a Lager,
but I'm just being picky, as usual...

-- 
Ernest Crvich                          A vomit-like substance
crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu               Is formed from its innards, 
general@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu                A festering slime         
ernest.crvich@bbs.oit.unc.edu          That revels inside.       
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