From: "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Incorrect Orgasms? (was: Please explain this quote)
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 12:55:36 -0500

In article <1992Nov4.213830.17530@news.Hawaii.Edu> mwasson@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Michael Wasson) writes:
>From the "dykes make us nervous" department:

I once knew a man who asked me what women did when they had sex.  He
couldn't fathom what two women could do.  I didn't understand at
first, exactly what he was asking and kind of stood there and said,
"What do you mean, how do two women have sex????!!!!"  He said, "Well,
neither of them have a penis!  And I don't see that many women buying
rubber toys in adult bookstores!"  I almost blew up laughing.  I said,
"You really think all there is to sex is a penis?  ahahahahahahahaha"

>>Notice that the acceptance of "vaginal intercourse as undesirable"
>>implies that a man should attempt to pleasure a woman in the same
>>way that a lesbian does. Notice that it also implies that, in

No, it means that a man should stop acting as if his dick is god's
gift to everything all by itself and use more effective methods.
Not all men do this, not even  most.  But some do.  

>>lovemaking, the penis has very little value, and is in fact something 
>>of a nusiance. Now, coming as it does from the feminist movement,

To many women, it does have little value in lovemaking.  It's a
personal preference.  When it comes to intimate relations, in many
cases I'd rather have a backrub and some oral sex than intercourse.  

>>whose leadership leans heavily toward lesbianism, it is difficult 
>>NOT to see in this teaching a 'hidden agenda'. Clearly, this belief
>>constitutes a powerful weapon in the feminist war against the phallus.

I don't believe it's a war against the phallus, but rather a war to
being the phallas and it's female counterpart to equality.  I have no
desire to do away with peni.  I have found a few that I like just
fine.  But they aren't the all mighty weapons right for every
occasion.

>1. The theory of the Incorrect Orgasm was Freud's, not the feminist
>movement's.  Non-vaginal orgasms were labeled "immature" for
>reasons that are obscure to me.  The need to focus on the clitoris was 
>so that many women (and men) could realize something they might have been
>missing out on.  

Obviously he was trying to  make women who could not orgasm from
vaginal intercource feel inferior or "wrong" because they would not do
what the vast majority of females cannot do, however men viewed as
being preferred.  Again, he was trying to boast the importance of the
penis.

>2. Lesbians can have vaginal intercourse. (Use your imagination)

Fingers work wonders. 

>3. Straight couples can have both vaginal and non-vaginal intercourse
>*at the same time*.  (Use your imagination)
>
>4. "The clitoris is often under-stimilated during vaginal intercourse"
>  != "the penis is pointless"

That's a sad fact of mechanics.  Unless you're saying the feminists
were around when 1)someone's god created us or 2)evolution started and
threw a wrench into things, you're barking up the wrong tree (I'm
speaking to the first poster, not the person making these poinst.

>5. Some straight men *like* giving head. (Use your imagination)

And give us their names and numbers.  =)

amy
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