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From: cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Is it actually 10%??
Date: 19 Dec 1992 20:24:49 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
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StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl) writes:

>japg0962@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Allen Phebus) writes:

>>I think this post was very thoughtful.  Much appreciaated.  If only more
>>moderates like this were in the christian community!  My experience, however
>>has been that this poster does not represent the views of most regular
>>churchgoers.

>I beg to differ...to a certain degree, at least.

>It is true that the lesbigay-positive folks within the Church, in
>all of its various incarnations and denominations, are certainly
>in the minority.  However, I'm willing to bet a hundred zlotys
>that the majority of Christians, in the U.S. at least are to a decent 
>degree, tolerant of non-het folks.

>Possibly my largest complaint against the Fundies' tactics is that
>too many people in the U.S., if not the world, develop the impression
>that all Christians are of the rabid, Bible-bashing, "convert or
>burn in HELL!!" school.

>Most of us are fairly quiet folks, who try and spread the Word
>through more subtle means -- Good Actions rather than Good
>Words -- and won't even attempt to convert someone who does
>not want to be converted.  Shoot, there are even several of us
>who realize that people can get the Word in a different-but-just-as-
>good form through other religions or non/quasi-religious life
>philosophies.

>Sorry to blow off steam that's largely inappropriate for this group,
>but the topic is a sore spot for me.  Right Wing Christians (Fundies)
>give Christianity a bad name and all too frequently miss the Point.

Sorry.....as I've said before I believe it is *your* kind of Christian
who is just as much of a problem as the fanatical fundies.  Were those
Christians of your persuasion to vocally and visibly counter the 
teachings of the fundies for the hate and non-christian cant that you 
believe it to be, it would have much effect.  With vigorous and 
vehement opposition from the mainstream christians, I believe the 
fundies would be hard-pressed to continue their venomous tactics.  But
it is the complicity of the "fairly quiet" Christians whose great 
subtility is allowing the fundies to project themselves as *the* 
interpreters of protestant christianity.

Unless mainline Christians stand up and fight for what *they* believe 
to be the message of their faith, Christianity will continue to earn a
bad name.

Colburn Eigen                                   H|u> = E|u>

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From: fvaughn@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Frederick Vaughn)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ne.motss,soc.culture.african-american
Subject: Re: Ken Reeves, first black, openly gay mayor in the US
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:52:41 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA

>About Ken Reeves---is he single? :-)

From what my network of strategically-placed ex-boyfriends (LITERALLY)
tells me, he has a man. An EXCEEDINGLY stuck-up white Harvard type,
I've heard (and only _heard_, since I have never seen the two of them 
together).

FRED, not intending to offend Harvard types of any persuasion...Really!!

-- 
FREDERICK !  fvaughn@ds5000.dac.northeastern.edu (PRIMARY)
ELOY      !  UA_FEV@northeastern.edu (SECONDARY)
VAUGHN    !  "White men can't jump...but they can still beat up on a black
	  !   man and get acquitted!" (SEEN ON A T-SHIRT)
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bert and Ernie
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 08:41:54 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec16.084618.21213@thinkage.on.ca>

Ken Dykes writes:
>>It's all very simple once you understand string theory.
>i'm a frayed knot...

Oh, so *THAT'S* where all that fuzz comes from!!!

[Grinning, Ducking & Running]

 
() It feels so right          |
() When you squeeze it tight  | -- _Velcro Fly_
() When you reach the end     |    by ZZ Top
() Do it over again           |
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: futor@llnl.gov ( wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world )
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: butch trucks
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:06:22 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore Nat'l Lab.
Originator: futor@diego.llnl.gov


 jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) writes:
>
>In New Mexico trucks are the default means of transport . . .
>  . . . the paint is peeling,
>   . . . two or three jerrycans of gas
>    . . . and a winch and cable on the front.  
>
Bullet holes -- don't forget the bullet holes.

Mine had one right by the gas tank.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: source of the word 'faggot' (was: Hey Edgar!)
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:10:03 GMT

In article <1grbhsINNa86@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>
>Say, do you think cigarettes became known as "fags" because
>they're set on fire, just like gay men were set on fire?

No. Cigarettes are called "fags" because people suck them. Same
reason ice-cream-cones are called "dykes".
-- 
Andrew Solovay    
                "I know that, in America and under capitalism,
                 I am the freest woman in history."
                                --- Camille Paglia
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Aladdin
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:14:58 GMT

Actually, from looking at the Alladin figurine from Burger King, I'd
guess he's modeled more after the Fonz, or Dustin Hoffmann, or possibly
Balki from Perfect Strangers. Oh, and all wearing MC Hammer pants.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You're like one of those... 'Cabbage Patch' creatures...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: An Apology
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:10:29 GMT

In article <GANDALF.92Dec11171637@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu> gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell) writes:

>Oh, please. I think we all need to lighten up a bit. 
>How are we supposed to express anger?
>"That extremely unpleasant person, Lou Sheldon, makes me very very 
>perturbed." Right. It really sounds angry.

If you're incapable of expressing anger without employing the word
"bitch," I could probably recommend some courses in remedial reading
for you.  It sounds like you're in dire need of them.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:14:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec13.231430.26349
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Dec11.202842.25715@athena.mit.edu> charlie@isis.mit.edu (Charlie Fulton) writes:
>Yeah, yeah, yeah.  CD's have a wider dynamic range, but the sound
>reproduction within vinyl's narrower range is superior.

Well, that might or might not be true but I don't care because I'm
simply wasting bandwidth to tell the world I just bought my first CD
player, a used basic-old one disk player from someone off of the net.

I'd held off buying a CD player, or god forbid CDs, because it just
costs so much money. But now that I'm sitting here listening to my own
copy of Kunst der Fuge, on my very own CD player, I am happy.

Tis the season to be a consumer,
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/   Indifference, the plague that moves throughout this land
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh, Pa
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:28:20 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <Bz84Mx.HnH@NCoast.ORG>, brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown) wrote:
> 
> In article <71465@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

> Luckily, we can key our kill files on the From: lines of articles.

You're killing the wrong ones.

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kelly Martin)
Subject: Re: NOTICE - Details of the March on Washington
Reply-To: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Gender Anarchists United
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:02:51 GMT

yorton@turtle11.rtsg.mot.com (James J. Yorton) writes:

>The MOW goes further than demanding rights for gays, lesbians, and
>bisexuals.  It includes transgender people.  This is where I have a
>problem with it.  First of all, let me say that I don't condone
>discrimination against *anyone*, including transgender people.
>Having said that, I have a problem with having a "transgender" clause
>included with sexual orientation.  The question isn't whether
>transgender people shouldn't be discriminated against.  It's what
>does transgender have to do with a person's sexual orientation?
>Nothing.  You can be gay or straight and be a transvestite or
>transsexual.

Does this in any way diminish the need for an anti-discrimination
clause against transgenders?

Seems to me that your argument against supporting transgender rights
is that while, yeah, they're a nice idea and all that, we don't want
them getting in the way of OUR rights which are more important, after
all.  So, if it's necessary to continue to let transgenders get
screwed over so we can get our rights now, oh well, that's the way it
has to be.

Not a very consistent attitude.  If you think something is right,
fight for it.  If you don't, don't.  But to fight for one thing you
think is right and not fight for something else you think is right is
inconsistent.

Kelly
--
Mars is essentially in the same orbit... somewhat the same distance from the
Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we
believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen,
that means we can breathe.		-- Vice President Dan Quayle
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: beezer@cc.utah.edu (BEEZER)
Subject: [FORWARD]:  HOMOSEXUALITY VIA KIN SELECTION ?
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Subj: HOMOSEXUALITY VIA KIN SELECTION ?
Name: Your Conscience #190 @8118
Date: Sat Dec 05 00:20:29 1992



I'm writing a biologogical paper on a rather recent theory stating
that homosexuality could plausible be have evolved via kin selection.
To consider the theory more in-depth II need to gather some
information on homosexuality "in the wild". I have some data already
on homosexuality studies on mono and dizygotic  twins and some on
homosexuality in macaques, a primate in (I believe) Asia. I even have
a listing for a paper discussing something similar in cockroaches
(?!?). I'm wondering if there is any sort of source material you  can
point my way. It's an interesting theory that basically states that
in some ways homosexuality might actualy tie in with "kin selection",
the evolutionary notion of genetic relatedness as a primary selection
pressure. If the paper works out reasonably well maybe I'll send you
a copy if you'd be interested.

I'm kinda psyched about it. I came up with the topic due to it's
controversial nature and how it directly contradicts the narrow (read
fundamentalist, Jesus-freakish) view that runs rampant through our
culture and social policy. So any help you can give would be
appreciated.

    Thanks.

_____________________________________________________________________

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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: Legos
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:18:19 GMT

In <1992Dec10.234008.19851@cabezon.uucp> kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards) writes:

>So I'm sitting here looking at all the new Lego kits I bought for myself
>and am wondering: A 28 year old Lego Maniac - is this a gay thing or just an 
>engineering geek thing?


>Ken


I ponder this question as I look over at the intricately detailed Lego
space ship I built some eight years ago and never had the heart to
dismantle.  Not that I need to; Over the years I've collected enough
of the stuff to build a small plastic tower of Babel.  In fact, I
got some from my parents for Xmas last year.  

My brother, who is about as breeder as they get, was similarly
disposed towards Lego, but not nearly as adept as I at its use.
He abandoned Lego some years ago (bequeathing his entire collection
to me!)



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 The truth belongs to everyone.  |  if you're ashamed of what you are.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt)
Subject: Re: Court challenges regarding polygamous marraige (Was Re: State laws regarding same-sex marriage)
Keywords: marriage legal polygamous
Organization: The Flood Group, Inc.  Torrance, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:05:25 GMT

rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandy --not Sandra) writes:
| Anyone know of countries that allow polyandros marraiges?  Both polygynous
| and polyandrous?  (That's multiple men per woman, or more than one of each
| for the temporarily Latin impaired ;-)

It's all Greek to me. :-)

-- 
Tom Chatt                        \   Don't take offense, take action.
Internet: tom@flood.com           \    Speak up. When we remain silent,
UUCP: ...!uunet!flood!tom        / \     we oppress ourselves.
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Maybe a dumb question...
Keywords: marriage legal gay
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:15:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec15.191552.24338
Distribution: usa
Organization: insert anything here

barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
>In <1992Dec15.013614.23815@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>>My suspicon is that if/when we get a state to let
>>us marry there will be some exception place that doesn't let it
>>carry to other states... but that is probably some years off still.

>I disagree here as there is a legal precedance...in Lovejoy v. the state of
>Virginia..... this is the case which forced all states to recognize interracial
>marriage..I believe this was a case in which an interracial couple was 
>married in another state and when they went back home were NOT considered
>married and they sued the state...and won which led to the overturning
>of all laws prohibiting interracial marriage.   Surprisingly this was NOT
>that long ago..1967.

	Yes, I kagree that a precedent exists, my point was that
we have never been able to get things that easily.  I suspect
that when the first state falls, there will be a flurry in other
stars to make sure that there is some excpetion that says queer
marriages don't apply...  Now whether or not Lovejoy v. Virginia
eventually wins out as a precedent, who knows, but I'll bet it
won't go that smoothly.

BBC
From: tdober@llnl.gov (TDO)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:11:02 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: llnl

In article <1992Dec16.112548.23617@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) wrote:

[...]

> No one has yet liked "coping," apparently, but no one has
> said why, either.

Speaking solely for myself (of course), "coping" sounds far too
angst-ridden for me to take it seriously. It calls to mind a scene from a
soap opera:

"So, Pat, how are you doing this week?"
"Oh, I'm <presses back of wrist to forehead, sighing deeply> coping."

> Jess Anderson


TDO
--
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Pain, like time, is going to come on regardless. Question is, what glorious
moments can you win from life in addition to the pain? -- Lois McMaster
Bujold, _Barrayar_
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Ren and Stimpy (was Re: Bert and Ernie)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:40:14 GMT

gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell) writes:

>THAANG Writes:
     ^ insert another A, please...

>   The guys that make Ren & Stimpy are all hot, begoatee'd grungy people,
>   which cements in *my* mind that they must be queer. (*drool*)

>I recently met (briefly) the voice of stimpy... definitely high on the
>gaydar scale. (We have a mutual friend, I'll ask.)

How exceedingly nice. If he's one of those cute lanky goatee'd people,
ask him to marry me, too. Just as long as he doesn't sound like that
in real life...

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You're like one of those... 'Cabbage Patch' creatures...
From: kpm@druhi.ATT.COM (Kevin Malloy (DoD #106))
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Costner plans Colorado Filming
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:17:11 GMT
Distribution: soc

From The Denver Post, 12/12/92, copied w/o permission:

Costner Plans Colorado Filming

  Kevin Costner, who starred in and directed "Dancing with Wolves,"
is planning a documentary that explores Indian culture across
North America.  The documentary, to be called "500 Nations," will
be styled after the popular miniseries "Roots," Jan Goedert,
director of Southeast Colorado Enterprise Development, said
in La Junta [Colorado].
  Costner will film part of the movie in Kiowa County, Goedert said.

---- 

FYI, Kiowa County has the distinction of being the county that most
heavily voted "yes" on Colorado's Amendment #2, voting 81-19% (811-193)
in favor of the amendment that bans civil rights laws protecting against
discrimination based on "sexual orientation."

I don't know how to contact Mr. Costner or his production company.  I
feel like Kiowa County is an unsafe place for the lesbian and gay
members of his production crew and would like to see this film's
production moved out of that county.  If anyone knows how to contact
Mr. Costner's production company, please post it to the net.

Also, Southeast Colorado Enterprise Development is located in La Junta,
Colorado.  Their telephone number is (719) 336-3850.

  					    Kevin

Kevin Malloy  					      kpm@druhi.att.com 
633 E. 11th Ave.					 1991 BMW K75RT	  
Denver, CO  80203	_NOT_ a 2nd Class Coloradoan!	       DoD #106
(303) 830-2937	 With liberty and justice for all, NO EXCEPTIONS!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Shyster (was Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads: women posting and "cures" and its spinoffs))
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:48:00 GMT

[]
I was taught that "shyster" did, in fact, originate in
Shylock.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Is it actually 10%??
Date: 20 Dec 1992 01:54:13 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> >What you need to understand about that is, most 'mainstream' Christians 
> >are not into "vigorous and vehement opposition", in either direction.
> 
> That's why they're part of the problem, rather than part of the
> solution.

Of course, calling them "part of the problem" as a way of encouraging 
them to get involved isn't terribly effective.  Logical, yes; effective,
no.  And *that* is part of the problem.  
> 
> Of course they do.  They remain silent while their faith is wielded as
> a weapon by a group of anti-gay zealots.  

When people view *both* sides of a debate as "zealots", they tend to 
just step back and not want to be involved. 

> If they really felt that it
> was wrong to persecute people on the basis of their sexual
> orientation, they would do something about the people who were
> maligning their good name.

*if* they did, they would; but they don't; so you must think 
that they don't really feel that persecution is wrong?  At 
least that's the logical implication.   What are your feelings 
on that line?

Walter

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: New DPN
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:13:47 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <smith_bob_e-161292104411@loc100-mtalk3.atalk.tandem.com>,
smith_bob_e@tandem.com (Mod Bob) wrote:

> *X* (pronounced Splat-Ex-Splat, according to An Esteemed Authority) wrote:

Easily Steamed Authority, more like it...
  
> Not at all.  There's no mention of sex in my comment.  

Hah!  That will be the day, you perverted purveyor of bubble-
butted blond bimbos brandishing boards.


> >  I, myself, while certainly not opposed to such practices,
> > prefer brunettes, with thin butts and little tufts of hair between
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > the navel and groin.
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> Speaking of...  JASON PRIESTLEY
> [he is] in the grip of Hunter Thompson in the latest Rolling Stone?

Ohhhh, I'd almost forgotten that was mentioned yesterday, while
you all were trying to *poison* me with *absurdly* hot and spicy
Chinese food...  Well, you have *failed* - yous perverted purveyors of
bubble-butted blond bimbos brandishing boards, yous.

*X*
(splat ex splat)
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From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: The phrase "gay rights"
Date: 19 Dec 1992 17:09:15 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

In article <27286@sybase.sybase.com> black@lester.sybase.com (Chris Black) writes:
>I'm not real worried.  The platform is pretty complex, but I trust the
>media to simplify things for the public eye.  [1/2 8^)]  It will be seen
>by most people as a march for gay and lesbian rights.

I've done some political work, and I've found that the phrase "gay
rights laws" scares many people.  However, when your substitute the
phrase, "anti-discrimination laws for gays" (which is really what the
National Gay Rights Bill is about) people think it's a pretty good
idea.

Marketing is so important.  Society is so strange.

Tom
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
Heros falling to the ground / like hell's magnet / pulls me down / on my knees
/ I try to please his eyes / his idol eyes. / Jerking motions won't revive him
/ mouth to mount resusitation / I just lay down beside him / and idolize.