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From: Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: The need for an assem
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:45:56 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

In article <1bju8lINN1jp@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com
(Jim Frost) writes:

>lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>>>(BTW, my automatic transmission allows me to manually select gears, and
>>>my HLL allows me to embed inline asm code.)
>
>>That's totally bogus.  No automatic selects gears, merely you may be able
>>to limit the *top* gear it shifts into.
>
>Clearly you've never driven the new Porshe 911 with the Tiptronic
>transmission.

     So THAT's why I don't like HLLs - I can't afford a good compiler...
:-)

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
"I'm cursed with hair from HELL!"  -- Night Court

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,sci.med
Subject: Re: Screen colors (Was Re: Zork/Dungeon)
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:53:17 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <7559@charon.cwi.nl>, dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:
> In article <1992Oct13.204524.21453@news2.cis.umn.edu> thornley@mega.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) writes:
> 
> A good article, but I have a bit more information:
> 
>  >                                                    RBG is a good choice;
>  > although it obviously cannot match any possible spectrum, it can simulate
>  > the effects very well for the human visual system, since the eye can only
>  > sample three frequencies (two in cats, four in bees, it varies among
>  > species).
> This is one point.  It appears that some human eyes can view four frequencies.
> There appear to be two variants of the green detecting cones (with only a
> slight variation in the frequeny).  Some people have only one variant, but
> some (mostly women) have both.

	Interesting. Any references, info on what this effectively does, 
basis of it (genetic, etc.)?
> 
> Another thing is that color-blindness does not only disable one to
> distinguish two colors, but might also enable one to distinguish two
> other colors!  A well known (amongst some people) example is in a fairly
> standard color-blindness test.  The victim is shown figures consisting of
> different colored circles.  The victin should tell what digit he is seeing,
> if any.  For one of the examples a non-color-blind person will not see
> anything, but a red-green color-blind person will see a digit.

	This effectively comes about because the red-green color-blind 
person will distinguish on the basis of shading what would otherwise be 
obscured by the colors.
	-Allen
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: You know you have ... (again)
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 03:02:11 GMT

In <1992Oct12.000448.15517@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz>
   russells@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Street) writes:

>We are packing up to move house, and realizing the cardboard box
>I was carefully packing things into was now to heavy to lift,
>this came to mind:
>	
>	split -xxxkg box

>Or even worse:
>	
>	tar -fc house.tar house
>	compress house.tar
>	uuencode house.tar house.tar | split 1000
>	foreach i (x??)
>		mail -s $i newhouse@newplace < $i
>	end

>or something like that :)
>If only it were that easy.

It isn't. At newplace you still have to open the letter box and
	cat x??|uudecode
	zcat house.tar|tar -xf -

And that only works if the rooms are arrange the same way

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From: ALAN@VM1.McGill.CA (Alan Greenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: What was the intended advantage of using 36bits CPU?
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:24:36 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1992Oct12.023608.12903@schaefer.math.wisc.edu>
 
>I am pretty sure EBCDIC at first WAS 12 bits and later was revised. In
>the second matter, though, there were two ways IBM's machines read raw
>codes. In the 704, for example, a card came in as an array of (36 bit)
>words. The first word was the first 36 hole positions in the top row,
>a 1 for a hole and a 0 for no punch. The other words were the other 36
>bit positions, to the right or below: that's why the last 8 columns of
>a card weren't readable and why Fortran ignored anything after column
>72. Other machines read "columnwise" so a character was entirely in
>one word rather than being 1 bit from each of 12 words.
 
 Depending on the system and the type of card reader, the data did
 at times come in in "raw" format, but I do not believe that the
 name EBCDIC was associated with it.  EBCDIC stands for Extended
 Binary-coded-decimal Interchange Code and was introduced as
 an extension of the six bit BCD.
 
 Alan
 
 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: cline@cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline)
Subject: Re: Bumper Sticker
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date:  7 Oct 92 23:09:44 GMT

I guess this falls into the category of things to do for quiet roads :-)

haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) writes:
>One of my prized possessions (well, I think it's still here somewhere) is
>a bumper sticker that says
>
>     HONK IF YOU LOVE JCL
>
-- 
Ernest Cline	cline@cs.scarolina.edu
From: dan@BofA.com (Dan Brockman)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: The third variable.
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:14:43 GMT
Organization: Bank of America, Capital Products, RMTG #5906

In article <1992Oct15.043340.18218@news.Hawaii.Edu> michaely@zero.ics.Hawaii.Edu (Michael Yokoyama) writes:
>In article <1992Sep21.185056.18771@cubic.com> hees@cubic.com (Phil Hees) writes:
>>mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael James Gebis) writes:
>>
>>foo
>> bar
>>  baz
>>   waldo
>
>I thought the third one was 'blech'.  At least that's how it was in the C
>
>By the way I think 'foo' might mean regurgitation or something like that.

foo and bar and `foobar` rolled forth from DEC, I believe.  I know they were used in 
examples included in PDP-10 manuals I used in 1976.  But before that...
an old military acronym FUBAR (fucked !er-=-scuse me... fouled up beyond
all recognition) was I speculate coined by USArmy in Europe during WW2.
A comic strip 'Smokey Stover', 40's and 50's era I think, made frequent use
of the term 'Foo'.  

Around this shop, `bozo` gets a lot of use, also 
`bogus` and the suffix `-wad`, as in `bozowad` and `boguswad`.


-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: kunitz@informatik.hu-berlin.de (U.Kunitz)
Subject: Re: Zilog System 8000
Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:07:59 GMT

In <1992Oct12.233534.6131@sco.COM> erics@sco.COM (eric smith) writes:


>souva@aibn58.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Ignatios Souvatzis) writes:

>>The OS was called Zeus, which stands for Zilogs extended unix system?

>I think that was "enhanced".

>>The software corp. I once worked for had one, with a 100+/-5% full 10M
>>hard disk. The OS was some kind of early BSD.

>No, it was Version 7, and later System III, I believe.

A company here in east germany produced a Z 8000 compatible chip U 8000
before 1989. We had here systems with this processor. The OS for this 
machine was called WEGA, a UNIX clone. I believe, it was a license of ZEUS.
The system was indeed a Version 7.

Ciao, Uli
-- 
>>>>    I know that in my heart       <<<< Ulrich Kunitz, Berlin          <<<<
 >>>>   I feel like going home again <<<< kunitz@informatik.hu-berlin.de <<<<
  >>>>  But I know that in my heart <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
   >>>> I'm scared of what I'll find - Johnny McElhone / Sharleen Spiteri
From: pratta@rpi.edu (Anthony Edward Prattico)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Difference between 80386 and i386DX?
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:50:36 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

In article <1992Oct16.084238.4016@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> "leo richardson" <UKI6@DKAUNI2.BITNET> writes:

>   Hi,
>
>   is there any difference between the intel 80386 and the i386DX, or
>   is it just the name?
>
>   leo/2

There isn't any diffrence. Intel found it couldn't copyright a number, such as
80386 to make that a company trademark, so they stuck an i in front of the
number, to make the i386. This distinguishes Intel chips from other manufactur-
ers.

-Anthony
From: Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Real men (was Re: Thoughts)
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:45:13 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

In article <1992Oct12.024706.9173@spatula.rent.com> ahm@spatula.rent.com
(Andreas Meyer) writes:

>pjordan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Patrick Jordan) writes:
>> No, REAL men reject keyboards and just use a soldering iron and wire
cutters.
>
>A real man would have known to call it a "hardware editor".

     Real Men don't use silly euphemisms like that.  A Real Man
calls a spade a f*cking shovel (not a "manually-operated topsoil
excavating implement" or some such drivel).

    Real Programmers whistle 300 baud into a telephone.

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
I'm looking for the stationery department but they keep moving it.
From: robm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Rob McCool)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Fun Display Hacks for Sun
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:39:23 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana



A while back I posted about two programs, decay (basic melter... yawn) and
  another one called ferkel, where a little man comes along and pushes your
  screen aside. I found them, and they're on ftp.uu.net under 
  /systems/sun/sextape/decay. They're also elsewhere, like wuarchive and
  others, and I put a copy on ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu under /outgoing/robm.


BUT, speaking of that, anyone else seen any really good display hacks?

-- 
Rob McCool, NCSA STG System Administrator
robm@ncsa.uiuc.edu r-mccool@uiuc.edu robm@imsa.edu
It was working ten minutes ago, I swear...
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,rec.games.int-fiction
From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Re: Screen colors (Was Re: Zork/Dungeon)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:42:26 GMT

In article <o48msB1w164w@lorc.UUCP> lowen@lorc.UUCP (Lamar Owen) writes:
>jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano) writes:
>> The only reason some people are satisfied with 8-bit color mapped color
>> displays, such as VGA, is that they haven't worked with true color systems,
>> such as TARGA, VISTA, or 32-bit Quickdraw, or they're doing things such as
>> business graphics, which can use a small pallette of colors. For natural
>> color scenes, 24 bits per pixel is baseline performance.
>
>Or even the 40-bit Apollo system.  It seems to be forgotten these days.

Wasn't there an 80-bit version of that system also?

                                         -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
From: sarr@sinshan.citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: What is RPG ???
Date: 14 Oct 1992 13:11:32 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan, CITI
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: sinshan.citi.umich.edu

To dredge up the the ancient DEC world yet one more time, RPG was
also a cammand language extension mechanism for the 10's and maybe
some others; DEC insisted that this stood for Rapid Program Generation
but everybody knew it stood for Richard P Gruen, the original author
once upon a time DEC software specialist in Palo Alto.



(Sarr Blumson)
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: What does SPARC stand for?
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:28:58 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <9210081944.AA01167@aitgw.ge.com> HEDDEN@ESDSDF.dnet.ge.com (Jerry D. Hedden) writes:
>As the subject says, what does "SPARC" stand for?

    It means the marketing folks didn't like the 
    FIRST version of the acronym, so they just
    reversed all the letters in it.


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: cline@cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline)
Subject: Re: Oldest ARPAnet messages?
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:07:13 GMT

dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield) writes:

>I believe the first user of the ARPAnet was Charlie Kline
                                                     ^^^^^
>at UCLA.  He lives in Sherman Oaks, CA (area code 818).

No wonder so many misspellings occur over the nets!
-- 
Ernest Cline	"That's a joke, son!" -- Foghorn Leghorn
       ^^^^^
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From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: WANTED: Unix administration horror stories !
Date: 15 Oct 1992 13:50:19 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202

bmk@box.ssd.loral.com (Bruce Krawetz) writes:
>Back when I was installing X-windows on a Sun-3, I accidently deleted
>the console's font.  Not only would that machine not boot, it wouldn't
>tell me _why_ it wouldn't boot.  It seems that without that font, /vmunix
>dies most ungracefully very quickly.

Isn't the console font stored in ROM?  It sounds to me like you set it
up to automatically bring up the X server (maybe using xdm?) rather
than spawning a getty on the console.  Normally the ROM console code
would handle things (as it does when you're in the monitor), and I
find it unlikely that you could delete the fonts stored in ROM while
installing software.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
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From: lowen@lorc.UUCP (Lamar Owen)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,rec.games.int-fiction
Subject: Re: Screen colors (Was Re: Zork/Dungeon)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 07:51:44 EDT
Organization: LORC Enterprises

xeno@iastate.edu (Gary L Snethen) writes:
> In <1992Oct1.215954.1465@ukw.uucp> lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph) writes:
> >nickel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Juergen Nickelsen) writes:
> >>In article <1992Sep30.125808.15973@husc3.harvard.edu>
> >>goodridg@husc8.harvard.edu (Andrew Goodridge) writes:
> >>[...]
> >>> My problem is my youth. I'm only 22; I was 7 or 8 when Zork was
> >>> worked on.  I'm not very regretful; I got to see 16 million colors
> >>> before I was 19.  But it means I'm starting at a disadvantage.
> >>(Sorry, pet peeve:)
> 
> >>Where did you see 16 million colors? Not on *one* screen at a time, I
> >>suppose, or I'd like to see that screen.
> 
> >Maybe he just went outside? :-P
> 
> Hmmm... First I was going to question why you suspected this was
> unbelievable... since 24 bit graphics (16 million colors) has been around
> for a long time...  But now it hits me...
> 
> That would be 4096 x 4096 resolution...  Pretty snazzy monitor!

This is very true.  But, even with a 4096x4096 screen, you still couldn't see
16 million colors.  Why?  The eye can only distinguish about 4 milllion colors.
So, those other 12 million are just useless baggage.  Although using 24 bits
for color info is easy on the hardware and the programmer, these days, due to 
IBM's success at pushing 8-bit bytes.

> ---Xeno

--

Lamar Owen, Systems Consultant, GE Lighting Systems, Hendersonville, NC
***********************************************************************
 Opinions expressed herein are the author's and do not reflect policy
   or opinions of the General Electric Company or its subsidiaries.
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: Josef Moellers <mollers.pad@sni.de>
Subject: Re: dirty tricks
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:55:40 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Info.Sys. AG, Paderborn, Germany

In <1992Oct6.135525.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> sbakerjr@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:

>When someone leaves their VAX terminal without logging off (fatal mistake)
>I find it hilarious to add the line to the front of thier login.com file...

>$ LOGOFF

Under UNIX try putting the following at the start of someone's .profile:

echo "No home"
sleep 5
exit

I tried it! It took the person about half a day to find out.
He called the sysadmin several times to tell him that his home directory
was gone, whereupon the syadmin explained that it was still there with
the right privileges.

It did teach him the lesson, though! And no _real_ harm done!
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From: dp@world.std.com (Jeff DelPapa)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Unix administration horror stories !
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:17:17 GMT

In article <Bw1G0s.49D@gumby.ocs.com> obi@gumby.ocs.com writes:
>This isn't nearly as bad as some of the stories in this thread, but...
>
>I once mistakenly partitioned my Sun's boot disk so that the swap
>partition overlapped the usr partition. The machine ran fine for a long
>time (many months), presumably because the swap space was always nearly
>empty. 

I remember a similar thing once - on a symbolics machine, a customer
declared a file in the FEP filesystem as a paging file, and as part of
the file system (it was one way to solve their disk space crunch) It
was caught before damage was done - we weren't sure if it was because
they hadn't done anything real yet, or simply the machine knew not to
mess with the IRS (the customer).

<dp>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: souva@aibn58.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Ignatios Souvatzis)
Subject: Connection Machine Poster Gifs (was: Re: Connection Machine posters )
Reply-To: isouvatzis@babsy.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
Organization: Radioastronomisches Institut der Universitaet Bonn, Bonn, FRG
	<1992Oct6.222103.8981@newshost.unh.edu>
	<1992Oct7.072055.7503@nas.nasa.gov>
	<1992Oct7.115201.16758@geovision.gvc.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:36:24 GMT

Me, too!
--
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            Universitaet Bonn, Auf dem Huegel 71, D-5300 Bonn 1, FRG
Internet:   souva@babsy.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de ignatios@cs.uni-bonn.de


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Unix administration horror stories !
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:59:34 GMT

Comp.unix.admin taken out of the distribution on this one, since it's
not really about Unix.

In article <1992Oct12.144633.21871@pmafire.inel.gov> rickf@pmafire.inel.gov (Rick Furniss) writes:

>   Backups on unix can be one of the most dangerous commands used,
>and they are used to prevent rather than cause a problem.  If any Unix
>utility were a candidate for a warning message, or error checking, this
>would be it.

This is true on any system, though.  Unix is not an exception.

>   Just in case you didnt catch the HORROR above,  the parameters are backworks
>causing a TOTAL wipe out of the root file systems.

I nearly did this once whilst performing a standalone backup of a VAX
8550 running VMS 5.1.  I was fortunate, though: VMS's BACKUP command
requires you to specify a filename for the saveset to save on the
tape.  I had mispelled the filename to restore from the tape, so VMS
ignored the whole command.

Whew.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
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From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: WANTED: Unix administration horror stories !
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:24:46 GMT
Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Hello folks,
   Well, after reading some of the stories in this thread I guess I can
tell mine.  I got an RS/6000 mod. 220 for my office about 6 months ago.
The OS was preloaded so I had little chance to learn that process.  Being
used to a full-screen editor I was not happy with vi so I read in the manual
that INED (IBM's editor for AIX) was full-screen and I logged in as root and
installed it.  I immediately started to play with the new editor and somehow
found a series of keys that told the editor to delete the current directory.
To this day I don't know what that sequence of keys was, but I was 
unfortunately in the /etc directory when I found it, and I got a prompt that
said "do you want to remove this?" and I thought i was just removing the
file I had been playing with but instead I removed /etc!
   I got the chance to learn how to install AIX from scratch.  I did reinstall
INED even though I was a little gun-shy but I made sure that whenever I used
it from then on I was *not* root.  I have since decided that EMACS may be a
better choice.

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From: techjn1@sdc.boeing.com (Henry Noble)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Connection Machine Poster Gifs (was: Re: Connection Machine posters )
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:53:43 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services (ESP), Seattle, WA

I want one, too.
-henry
From: HEDDEN@ESDSDF.dnet.ge.com (Jerry D. Hedden)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: What does SPARC stand for?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 14:44:08 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

As the subject says, what does "SPARC" stand for?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: mlc@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Myra L. Coggan)
Subject: Re: Where did smileys come from?
Keywords: smiley
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:11:14 GMT

spinuzzi@gab.unt.edu (Clay Spinuzzi) writes:


>My local VAX admin says he started seeing them in the mid-80's.  Does anyone 
>remember seeing them earlier?


   An article in the Wall Street Journal (A Story of the Type That Turns Heads in Computer Circles, September 15, 1992) says "Smileys started popping up on computer screens more than a decade ago.  The MIT Press's "New Hacker's Dictionary" attributes the very first smiley to a 1980 message by a Carnegie Mellon computer scientist named Scott Fahlman. "...I had no idea that I was starting something that would soon pollute all the world's communication channels.'"
  The article also includes some variations collected by a programmer in Wisconsin.  Some of my favorites...  7:^]  I look like Ronald Reagan  B-) I'm cool.

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