From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Don't push your morals on me.
Summary: Does Nyikos know *ANYTHING* about women??? 
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In article <nyikos.718163172@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>In <1992Sep24.233104.19883@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep24.143921.52374@gmuvax.gmu.edu> sparker@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
>>>
>>>Since when did any suddenly get the right to tell anyone else
>>>what to do with their bodies?? 
>
>>If it were merely a medical operation intended to help the mother
>>directly, sure.  I see no problem in that.
>
>>But you do know, of course, it isn't "merely just a medical operation."  
>>Something very special may just be involved.
>
>>> If my fiancee got pregnant at this point
>>>in time she would definately get an abortion.  
>>>Why? You ask?  Because of the fact that she is an important source 
>>>of income in our relationship..  Should she get pregnant, she would have
>>>to quit her job or take an extended leave of absence.
>
>WHILE PREGNANT?? Does she
>work with hazardous chemicals? Is she in the military?  

Nyikos, for a mathematician, you sure don't know how to add things up.  Maybe
his fiancee does work with hazardous chemicals.  Maybe she is in the military.
Maybe she suffers from "perpetual morning sickness" during the first four 
months of her pregnancy.  Maybe she's a diabetic, and would have to go visit
her doctor twice a day for blood work.  Maybe she's on dialysis, which
doesn't interfere with her work now, but the addition of the fetual waste
to dispose of certainly would?

A clue:  You don't know, so don't judge.

>
>>>  Thus causing a 
>>>substantial impact on our financial situation.
>
>If the two of you got married, would that change her employer's attitude?

Employers rarely like to have a person on "extended leave" for months on end
regardless of their marital status.

In fact, such a change in attitude could easily be discrmination...

>
>>>  Plus, she would have
>>>to pay for prenatal care (which we cannot afford..)
>
>Really? with both of you working? neither of you has insurance?

Peter, not everybody works behind the "Ivy Walls".  Some of us work in
the real world, where waiters and waitresses make $3.00/hr+tips, with
*NO* benefits (not health, not dental, not life, not vacation...)

>
>>>So don't tell me that she must have a baby, thereby ruining two lives
>>>in the process of creating one....
>
>What's wrong with putting it up for adoption?

Reading comphrension problems, Peter?

>
>OK, so maybe you really are sincere about all this and you really
>are so financially pressed.  What bothers me, though, is that you
>do not even consider the alternative of abstinence.  Are you really
>willing to ruin one life after creating it?

Peter, while it may be easy for a 50+ year old man to "consider abstinence",
it may not be so easy for a ~20 year old male and female.

You don't know.  Don't judge.

>
>Note, I do not want to force my morals on you.  I'm just trying
>to understand yours. And I'd like for you to see mine, and Martin's.
>His posts on "I had an abortion two days ago" might be a good place
>to start.

Peter, you *DO* want to force your morals on people.
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