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From: davet@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Dave Tutelman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Dumb Beginner Question
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:25:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs - Lincroft, NJ

In article <5470050@hplsla.hp.com> reedj@hplsla.hp.com (Reed Jacobsen) writes:
>I am a simple amateur musician.  I have a computer and a cheap Casio keyboard 
>"with MIDI ports".  I want to get a MIDI board for my computer and some software
>so I can improvise at the keyboard, look at what I played, fiddle with it, and
>play it back (either to the keyboard or just to speakers).  Nothing fancy.  I
>don't care about synthesizing sounds (yet), just composing.
>
>Now, if I buy a SB Pro and something like Cakewalk, will I be able to do this?
>Or am I missing something serious?

1. You will need a MIDI board for the computer and a sequencer.  (You could do
   worse than Cakewalk; it's the one I use.  But I won't start a religious
   war on that subject.  There are lots of good choices.)

2. Don't bother with the SoundBlaster.  Musically, it probably isn't as good
   as your Casio Keyboard.  Note that the cheap Casio keyboards with MIDI
   ports (all that I've seen, anyway) are 4-timbral thru MIDI.  When I got
   my music computer working, I had one of those Casios, and I used it for
   drums, bass, piano accompaniment, vibraphone, etc.

Read the Casio manual.  When you outgrow the Casio (which will probably
be soon), you'll be well beyond wanting a SoundBlaster.  The next thing
you'll need is a keyboard with velocity-sensitive keys.  The thing after
that will be a MIDI sound module or two, to give you sounds that are
missing (or inadequate) on the Casio.  (Say, a used MT32 or TX81z.)

While you're at it, get Band-In-A-Box along with your sequencer.  It's a
blast for practicing, and it's easy to set up so the Casio is your BIAB
accompaniment.

Also, make a cable to go from the headphone output of your Casio to your
stereo;  it'll sound a lot better.

At this point the RMS.BIG.GUNS(TM) are cringing.  That's OK.
I don't use this any more, but that was my setup for my first few months,
and the Casio was my BIAB accompaniment instrument for a year after that.
(Actually, it became my setup when my son departed for college a few years
ago, taking the REAL electronic music with him. :-( )

Enjoy!!!

Dave
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: scha@pollux.usc.edu (Seungho Cha)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Please, HELP!
Date: 16 Oct 1992 01:09:47 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu
Keywords: software, MIDI card, synthesizer....

Hi.  I'm new here, so please excuse me if this was discussed before or
this is not a relavant topic.

My wife wants to do some music composition using IBM PC.
Please, advice me about the following.

	- What is a good software to do this?  The one running on MS Windows
	  3.1 is preferrable.
	- What MIDI card for PC do you want to recommend ?
	- What synthesizer and keyboard do you want to recommend ?
	- What do I have to consider besides above three?
	- How much will it cost ?
	- Any advices are welcome.

Thank you very much for your help.

- Seungho

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From: rej@sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones)
Subject: Re: Distancing Tools (was: Re: "Ethinc" Samples vs. Proteus 3)
Organization: Friends Of Tank Girl
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:01:55 GMT

John Rossi writes:
>If I had a vote on such things, I would be strongly in favor of incorporating
>the term 'distancing tools' into the OFFICIAL LEXICON OF MUSICAL SYNTHESIS.

But you do, good fellow, you do! Make it so.

If there's any Official Lexicon here, it's the one we're busy (implicitly?)
constructing. All we need to make it Really Official is someone to compile
it... not sure if I can be trusted with such a task, but I'll be happy to
submit definitions.

And, oh, can we nix "MUSICAL" from the title? Otherwise we may not be able to
include my works, and certainly not Five's. Unless we amend it to OFFICIAL
LEXICON OF MUSICAL AND HEAVILY PROCESSED PAIN SYNTHESIS... sigh.

-- 
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|                       | casually draped across my lap, listening to Metal 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: lawrence.lougheed@rose.com (lawrence lougheed)
Subject: RE: Alexander
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:28:15 GMT
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Date Entered: 10-16-92 21:24
Does anybody have a non 1-800 number for Alexander Publishing?  I tried
the the number on the back of their Korg O1/W book (1-800-633-1123) but
it doesn't work from Canada.  Or perhaps someone knows of a 1-800 number
that does work from Canada.  Or I would even appreciate a fax number,
since I plan to get a fax card soon.  Thanks.
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Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:16186 rec.music.misc:24837
From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Subject: Re: Clavinet Example (was: Re: Keyboard feel (was: Re: CZ101 for sale)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 05:57:01 GMT


In article <1992Oct8.180212.6809@netcom.com>, metlay@netcom.com (metlay) writes...
>Oho! Hoist by thine own arrogant petard, sirrah! Thy humorous attempt at 
>bastinado reboundeth upon thee with embarrassing effect! Or, for our readers
>in Pittsburgh, "Yaha, yinz'r'BEAT!" I hate to out-trivialize you (actually,
>that'd be a baldfaced lie if I didn't have a goatee), Eirikur, but John is
>not whistling the proverbial "Dixie" here....

I see.  Must have been in the late seventies.  During my brief neglect of
things musical for things academic and neurophysical.  AKA a waste of time.

Eirikur Hallgrimsson   |    "Since when is the best part of a Tangerine Dream
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |     concert the legs on the hired sax player?"
PATHWORKS for Macintosh|    "October the eighth, anno domini 1992, Boston."

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ronaldw@sco.COM (Ronald A. Wong)
Subject: Re: Midi song - "Borderline - Madonna"
Organization: SCO Developer Relations
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 22:47:23 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth

In article <1992Sep30.090310.27637@comp.lancs.ac.uk>,
davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles) wrote:
> 
> In article <BvC29K.Isy@rivm.nl> sb2fhh@rivm.nl ( Frits van den Heuvel ) writes:
> 
> Has anyone manage to unpack these MIDI files and play them ? I have had no
> success *8-( I have tried Prism / Cubase for Windows / Encore demo / Cakewalk
> demo / Windows Jukebox / Windows MIDI player.
> 
> Please reply here as my e-mail is disconnected until next week.
> 
> Davei

I successfully played the file with EZ Vision on the Macintosh, but I had
to change the creator & file type.  

Thanks for the posting!


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From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Best Modules for the Buck???
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:36:00 GMT


In as much as the K2000 (and K2000r) can read s1000 samples, I guess so.  As
a matter of fact, depending on what you are using the percussion samples for
VAST treatment may make them a lot hipper.

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Subject: I've just about had it with Performer. How much is Vision?
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:19:08 +0000

[2nd attempt to post, plus some more stuff]

Well, that's a waste of $100. Performer 4.01 seems buggy as hell. The
custom console stuff is cute when it works which is, loosely speaking, not
often. And I now have a large sequence file which I saved to disk a couple
of hours ago and now can't open without a bus error. Of course it's a
commission which has to be ready by tomorrow, so it's back to the backups
and an attempt to load in altered sequence chunks while I refer to my
offline notes of the day's work.

Performer 2.41 was rock solid. Performer 3.0 onwards was big and mostly
worked. Performer 4.01 is huge and, for the new features at least, mostly
doesn't. I don't care how sexy these new features are if (i) playback is
unreliable, (ii) sequence files get corrupted, and (iii) I have to
constantly fight with a monolithic mindset from programmers who are
compatibility-challenged.

What's the street price for Vision? Is there a trade-in deal? It's a shame
it's not as good as Performer for composition and arrangement, but if Doug
Wyatt's work on OMS is anything to go by, it'll at least work.

N.

PS. Spent an hour trying and failing to get the day's work back. Just
sequenced it again, saved the file, Bus Error when loading it. Back to
Performer 3.61 first thing tomorrow morning, and a fax to Opcode perhaps.

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II)
Subject: Re: Keyboard feel (was: Re: CZ101 for sale)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:45:30 GMT

Hey there - 

	Isn't the keyboard part from Led Zeppelin's "Trampled Under Foot"
also performed on Clavinet?

	Just wondering.

-- 
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"Great composers do not borrow -	     "Talking about music is like
 they steal."  - John Ladasky	      ~ -     dancing about architecture."
(quote stolen from Stravinsky, who    o o     - Elvis Costello?  Laurie
 stole it from a statement made by     >        Anderson?  Frank Zappa?
 Pablo Picasso about painting, who    \_/    -------------------------------
 stole it from...)			     "Property is theft." - Groucho
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: mgunders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Gunderson)
Subject: DSS samples: ftp site? Trade?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:39:13 GMT

    Having just found out that TeleDisk will allow me to transfer DSS
sample disks as a file, I'm now curious...

      * Does anyone know of an ftp site which has DSS samples? I'd
	like to add to it...

      * If not, or maybe in spite of this, I wouldn't mind trading samples
	with fellow DSS samplers (er, "people who sample things on DSS's").
	Any takers? 

    Hey Metlay, get your U2 copy yet? Negativland's just released a CD
and magazine regarding their whole legal debacle surrounding it.
Interesting reading for those wanting to see what happens when a big
company wants to slam an indie for sample use.
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: 8-bit 16-bit
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:08:00 GMT


Doesn't (256,256) actually describe and 'array' space.. :-)

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Subject: Re: Dumb Beginner Question
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 06:29:22 GMT


In article <1992Oct11.002541.8505@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, davet@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Dave Tutelman) writes:
|> >Now, if I buy a SB Pro and something like Cakewalk, will I be able to do this?
|> >Or am I missing something serious?

|> 2. Don't bother with the SoundBlaster.  Musically, it probably isn't as good
|>    as your Casio Keyboard.

The SoundBlaster Pro can act as a MIDI interface, as well as a sound
board.

I don't believe that the SB Pro is an MPU-401-compatible device, so you
have to be careful what software you use.  It comes with a sequencer
and Windows drivers, which can help a lot.

Dave is right that it's not much musically.  It's OK for sampled sound,
and I wouldn't want to use Windows without something like that, but I
wouldn't even consider one for making music I'd want to record.

If you're really serious, you're better off getting a MIDI card like a
Music Quest or one of the other popular ones.  Another nice idea is
the SCC-1 from Roland, which is a Sound Canvas on a card with a MIDI
interface.

--
...David Elliott
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...(408)944-4073
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: larry@bach.udel.edu (Larry Larraga)
Subject: Re: Roland module vs Alesis D4??
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:23:17 GMT

The new Roland TD7 Percussion Module sounds (in print) wonderful.
I was thinking about my lowly D4 also, until I found out that
the TD7 retails for $750.  Roland dealers like to price-fix
too so I wouldn't count on too much discount.  A whole TD7 setup
retails for $1750 - see the RUG mag for what's in it.  By the
way, the bi-monthly new equipment price posting gives the D4
low price as $300 even.  I'd shop some more...

-- 
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Senior Analyst	040 Smith Hall  Newark, Delaware  19716  (302) 831-8895
Internet:  	larry@brahms.udel.edu
From: Michael_L._Harrison.ES_CP8@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Blank Mail Note
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:26:22 GMT
Reply-To: MH.ES_CP8@xerox.com

Hi Patricia!

I have a Kawai K1 II and it has everything you require (MIDI In/Out/Thru too).
I think it does quite well even though it is not leading edge technology.  For
one thing, I like the keyboard--it is not as plastic feeling as a Roland in
that price range.  Guitar Center has a Kawai MIDI package on sale right now:
	o  Kawai K1 II
	o  Kawai PM102 powered monitors
	o  Brother MDI-30 Disk Composer sequencer
	o  H26BP home studio organizer from Ultimate Support

All for only $999.  You can get the keyboard alone for about $500 I think.

++Mike++

Michael Harrison
MH.ES_CP8@xerox.com
From: mjm@sun.com (Michael Marchi - Santa Clara Systems Eng)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: FOR SALE:  BOSS SE-50 Stereo Effects Processor
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:06:17 GMT
Reply-To: mjm@sun.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: knight.west.sun.com

The one you have seen advertised...

Bought for $529.  Selling for $350!!!

Mint condition.

Desctription:

Provides a full range of effects for a number of devices...guitars, 
keyboards, vocals, etc...

For guitar:  compressor, overdrive/distortion/equalizer/noise suppressor/delay
	     chorus/reverb/line driver (amp simulation)/midi control

	Presets:  Tube Stack, Rhythm, Metal, Clean, Lead 1, Fuzz, Jazz, 
		  Pitch Guitar, Metal Flange, Lead 2

For keyboard:  EQ, delay, super chorus, reverb, midi controller
	       phaser.

	(Presets included below..)

For vocals:  vocoder, super chorus, noise suppressor

Below are all the presets......

Mid Hall, Large Hall, Dark Hall, Bright Hall, Cathedral, Live House,
Dead Room, Brass Reverb, Vocal Reverb, Drum Reverb, Ambience 1-2-3,
Normal Gate, Dark Gate, Bright Gate, Reverse Gate, Panning Gate, 
Stereo Reverb 1-2-3-4, Pan Delay Pingpong, Overdub Echo, Analog Delay,
Short Delay, Cross Delay, Long Delay, Space Chorus 1-2-3-4, Octave Down,
Octave Up, Diminish, Octave Echo, St. Phase Shift, Stereo Flanger, Gate
Flanger, Stereo Phaser, Rotary Fast/Slow/Drive, Synch Solor, Super Phaser,
Step Phaser, Rhodes 1/2, Vib, Tube Stack, Rhythm, Metal, Clean, Lead 1,
Modulate Guitar, Fuzz, Jazz, Pitch Guitar, Metal Flange, Lead 2, Ballade VC,
Short Vocal, Slap Bass, Mellow Bass, Acoustic Guitar.
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 Systems Engineer		               Phone:  (408) 562-6335
 Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation
 Santa Clara District Sales Office             Fax:    (408) 562-6316
 5201 Great America Parkway
 Suite 400
 Santa Clara, CA  95054
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
From: d88-jwa@byse.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte)
Subject: Re: Cubase 2.0 for the Mac ???
Originator: d88-jwa@byse.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<D88-JWA.92Oct14185102@byse.nada.kth.se>
	<1992Oct15.034926.27749@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:44:39 GMT

> Scott.E.Lawrence@dartmouth.edu (Scott E. Lawrence) writes:

   I need an update!  I've had 1.8.2 and 1.8.3.  Both of them have there
   share of bugs.  Cubase is such a good program but I've had trouble with

1.8.3 is fairly recent...

   it crashing on my mac IIsi.  It almost unfailingly crashes when playing
   my keyboard or moving one of the wheels and moving the mouse at the
   same time.  In otherwords, I have to be careful about moving the mouse

Well, MIDI in generates interrupts, and so does moving the
mouse. Turn it upside down to prevent it from accidentally
moving.

I WOULD LIKE TO RUN IN 32BIT MODE!!! I hate switching my
36 MB machine back into 8 MB and do a reboot (and turn off all
INITs) just to run CuBase. Makes me make less music than I could
under optimal circumstances.

I have to run CuBase under MIDI manager, since it crashes on
my Quadra elsewise. Now, hacing a MIDI manager that understood
additional serial ports and maybe even could talk to the IOPs
would be heaven, since MIDI now means:

1) Crawl on floor at back of table to switch cables
2) Turn IOPs off
3) Turn 32-bit memory off
4) Turn all INITs off, and MIDI manager on
5) Reboot
6) Do work
7) Turn INITs on
8) Turn 32-bit mode on
9) Turn IOPs on
10) Crawl on floor to put all cables back
11) Reboot

Ideally, I would just have to do 6)...

-- 
 -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Suedoise (not french speaking) --

  "Practice random kindness, and senseless acts of beauty."
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: rej@sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones)
Subject: Divider Systems (was: Re: 8bit vs 16bit?)
Organization: Society for the Preservation of Lock Grooves
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:58:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.181046.19733@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson) writes:

>I once tried to design a system that allowed PWM (pulse width modulation)
>in a divider system.  Dates me, eh?

Not on your life! Divider architectures are the wave of the future! In
those days they knew how to make a synth! Not anymore! Every polysynth 
since the Polymoog has been an abomination! One key, one oscillator-- that's
my motto, and I stick to it! And soon you will too! They've been pulling the
wool over our eyes with their slick marketing hype for too long! The bastards!
These new so-called polyphonic synths like the Prophet 5 and Memorymoog
aren't really polyphonic at all! It's all done with slick digital electronic
tricks! Did you hear me! Digital! Sure, you can play a neat little four-note
chord! But what happens when my Rottweiler pounces on the keyboard is
nothing but a pathetic mewl! When I press down 60 keys I want 60 notes,
damnit! And I want 'em now!

-- 
| Randy Jones           | "Under my blacklight presidential campaign poster of
| rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu  | Hunter Thompson, I bolt upright in repose, my rifle
|                       | casually draped across my lap, listening to Metal 
|                       | Machine Music and dreaming of My Lai as starring 
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (Laird Nelson)
Subject: Re: If you had $1500 to spend
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:04:28 GMT

Jeff House (doogie@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu) wrote:

      If you had $1500 to spend...      
      ... and you were interested in the following:
      
      	o 88 keys, preferably weighted
      	o MIDI capabilities
      	o Great PIANO sounds
      	o Great backup STRING sounds
      	o Ease in portability
      
      What would you spend your $1500 on?

My guess is that you're not going to find one 'board that will meet all these
expectations.  Generally, as soon as you're talking 88 keys, you're talking
about a controller exclusively.

A used Korg SG1-D will give you 88 keys, is heavier than all hell, gives you
pretty decent 12-bit piano samples (which sound pretty good if processed), and
rounds the package off with a very limited number of preset, uneditable epianos
and vibes and the like.  It does have a card slot, though.

On the decidedly con side, it was never meant to be a MIDI master controller.
It has MIDI functionality in the sense that you can plug MIDI cables into it
and switch channels, transpose, etc. but that's about it.

I cannot emphasize just how heavy this beast is.  Over the summer I had 
occasion to play one of these things regularly in a band...we had it running
into a MIDI patch bay which took care of most of our needs...but holy *cow*
the thing was heavy.  On the plus side, though, it has pretty good action--
something that just about every other controller on the market most decidedly
does *NOT*.

LAiRD

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: Trans-X ??
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:09:18 GMT


 hello!

could anybody give me a list of records, CDs whatever done by Trans-X ?
I know they did "Living on Video", "Terass" and some other.. anything else??
(these were done during mid 80:ies)
thanks in advance!




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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:55:32 PDT
From:         "(Peter Uchytil)" <kentrox!ktxs8!peter@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Re: Dropouts in Hi-8mm
Comments: To: uunet!AMERICAN.EDU!SYNTH-L@uunet.UU.NET

>
> In article <9210081445.AA20633@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>
> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
> >
> > People keep mentioning this high dropout rate in Hi-8mm.  Could somebody
> > post an actual reference which supports this.  Please, no Len Feldman
> > speculations.
> >
> > John
>
  As far
> as the dropout rate on Hi-8 video, I have a Sony CCD TR-81 Hi-8 camcorder
> and have used the evaporated metal tapes exclusively.  I still get an
> average of one to two video dropouts on every 60 minute tape I've shot.
> I'm not convinced this would be enough to defeat robust error
> detection/correction algorithms, though.
>
> Jay
>

Ok, help me out.  I'm not real sure what "dropouts" are.  I imagine something
evil as in a silent spot in the middle of a tape.  How big a spot?  With video,
do you get a spot of static?

How about DATs?  Do they suffer from frequent dropouts, too?  What about
analog tape decks?  Just trying to get up to speed on this one.  Thanks!

Pete
--
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From: smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: What's With Wine Country (Prophet Stuff)
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:04:06 GMT
Organization: no risk to you!

I assume, then, that Wine Country doesn't own the copyright on Sequential
service literature?  Good luck, I'm rooting for you.

                       Jim Smith  smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com
                     Oh Hannu, this is most unbusinesslike.