From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian Ross)
Subject: Re: Rae's "corruption"? (was Re: NDP "communism?")
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:27:01 GMT

labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes:
: In article <1993Jan20.142442.12986@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>
: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes: 
: > If I have time, I'll search for that Star article which chronicles
: > all the scandals.  I don't know many of them off the top of
: > my head, because I just moved to Ontario, and most of them occurred
: > before I arrived.  It will satisfy those who are silly enough to
: > believe that the NDP and political corruption are incompatible.
: 
: (sigh.)  Once more, it is not that we believe that the NDP is incapable
: of corruption.  It is that we do not believe you have 1) demonstrated
: that corruption (use of public office for private gain) has occurred. 2)
: demonstrated that this corruption is on par with that practised by the
: older parties.

(sigh). Ah yes, the party faithful respond to the call to arms.
Read Gerald's summary posted a few days ago. When I get time, I'll
search for the Star article. 

: Sure, the NDP govt. in Ontario has been incompetent.  But not because of
: the slick, self-serving politicians it is so trendy to blame.  Many of

Are you saying that slick, self-serving politicians shouldn't be blamed?
Or that the NDP are not slick-serving politicians?

: those incompetents were filling a place for the NDP in the election, not
: expecting to win.  A friend of mine was on staff with the campaign, and
: informed me that they had candidates trying to quit in mid-campaign as
: they realized that they were going to win.  These people were not
: prepared for a term in office and were taken completely off-guard.

This is really lame!  You're basically saying that NDP = Rhino Party.
If the NDP, or any party, is actually running candidates that aren't 
intended to win, then perhaps the party on the whole should disband and 
leave politics to other parties that are serious. Unless, of course,
they're fielding joke candidates as you are implying.

: This does not excuse incompetence in government.  Only serious
: candidates, even in apparently hopeless seats, ought to be selected.
: But this did not happen, and resulted in the mess Rae has now.  It is
: not the slick politicians but the ordinary Canadians you are complaining
: about.  One wonders if the armchair politicians of the net could do
: better.

Yeah, right. A Tory or Grit makes a mistake, and they're slick evil politicians.
An NDPer makes a mistake, and it's simply the result of the human
frailty of an innocent,  ordinary human being.

Whether it's NDP, PC, Grit, or what have you:

	"Same trough. Different Pigs."

: New Democrat "corruption"               Tory "corruption"
: Peter Kormos poses suggestively         Cabinet minister Colin Thatcher
: for a tabloid                           shoots, stabs, and bludgeons his
:                                         ex-wife to death

Yes, you're right. The NDP really are a morally righteous and blessed party.
Whereas Colin Thatcher is plainly a typical Tory (ex-Liberal).

-- 
Brian Ross                          
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca            

-- 
Brian Ross                          
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca