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From:         "(Mutahar Hickey)" <mhick@BSU-CS.BSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ISBN for Laurini & Thompson's Fundamentals of GIS?

M:The problem with the technical material is that students, at least
M:those I deal with, come in two groups.
M:Speaking for Taylor & Francis, we would really like to see somebody
M:come forward with a good introductory text in GIS. Coordinated but
M:non-software specific exercises would also be nice. Anyone interested?
	The disparity of the groupings answers this question.  As a graduate
student in Computer Science I see further breakdowns:  good background in
math, bad in cs, good in english, bad in understanding english, etc.
	I believe that the answer is :  No new introductory text, but a
revolutionary movement:  start computer based texts!  If one brave soul
could format a basic text using the tools with which he is teaching and
which covers the topic in a basic way, then others could tailor the 'book'
to their university and their tools.  Some schools can afford to teach
using ArcInfo for each student, others prefer to use GRASS, etc.
	Perhaps some of the Knowledge base specialists that are springing up
all around could be corralled into helping on this type of a project. I do
not think that it would take any more time than writing a new introductory
text.
	For what it is worth,
				Mutahar

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From:         Peter Halls <PJH1@VAXA.YORK.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: gps and street mapping

Eric Fielding questions Paul Miller's need for absolute vertical values in
his GPS survey.

I think that, provided Paul is able to plan his survey pattern properly, then
he ought to be able to 'FIX' his vertical accuracy from, say, measuring also
at 3 (at least) known locations.  The necessary corrections for levelling
purposes can then be calculated and applied.  Whilst York is not super-endowed
with such locations, I think that there are sufficient for him to obtain a
satisfactory equation for his needs ... OK, that does not meet his 'ideal' of
reaching total independence from the OS - but I do not believe that usage of
that information would be likely to compromise his requirements.

Peter Halls
University of York

PJH1@UK.AC.YORK   ... or t'other way about
From: fred@KIRK.UARK.EDU (W. Fredrick Limp)
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Subject: Re: Software Needed for Historical Site Mapping
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:20:51 GMT
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              "GIS-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Oct 26, 92 2:48 am

As part of a National Park Service/ Civil War Battlefield Protection
Commission effort we are developing general digital maps of more than 150
Civil War battlefields.  The software is GRASS.

Some 10 or so battles will have high resolution analyses done as
well.  Please drop me a note if you would like more information.

You might als contact Dr. John Knoerl, Interagency Assistance Division,
National Park Service in DC for info too...
>
> A friend of mine who is a student of the Civil war and a new computer
> user is looking for software that will enable him to create maps of
> historic battle fields.  Does anyone have a recommendation?
>
> Satellite precision plotting isn't necessary and would only be excessive.
> He needs something that shows or will allow him to create topography, along
> with symbols for vegegation, railways, bridges and some town/farm
> structures.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
>
> -stu
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From:         Peter Halls <PJH1@VAXA.YORK.AC.UK>
Subject:      RE: Laurini's and Thompson's book

Perhaps this is the time to comment that Peter Burrough has revised his book,
that the revision is 'in press' and due 'real soon now'!!!!
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From: 862009f@dragon.acadiau.ca (Mikey Farara)
Subject: PC Arcad
Summary: Labels in PC Arcad
Keywords: GIS
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:31:08 GMT

I am using PC Arcad and working with cadastral information.
I ended up with mutiple labels in a few polygons and I am wondering
how can I delete the extra label(s). There are also two labels that 
belong to parcels that no longer exist and were on the outer edge of the 
map. So these labels are no longer enclosed by a polygon and I 
would like to delete them. If anyone have any idea on how to
solve these problems, I would greatly appreciate your reply.
Thanks in advance.

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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:45:52 CST
From:         MFLTL@ECNUXA.BITNET
Subject:      Explaining GIS to non-techies (fwd)

>
>   During December, some students who are working on their certification
> in Earth Science Education (grad level) will be visting our office.
> Does anyone know of any non-technical, applications oriented pub(s)
> that might be appropriate to use as hand outs? I feel that the
> NGCIA pubs would be way over their heads in explaining GIS to them.
>   Please reply to my e-mail address.
>   Regards,
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`~~~
> Ted Samsel.......TBSAMSEL@QVARSA.ER.USGS.GOV..(use this!)
>

Here are several articles that describe GIS and GIS applications in simple
terms.

Jessup, Shelby P and Cary, Ernestine. "Geographic Information Systems: What
they ARe, and How They Work."  FOCUS. Summer 1989,  pp.10-12

Rhind, David. "Why GIS?" ARC NEWS. Summer, 1989 ( This is a publication put
out by Environmental Systems Research Institute.  Any place that has
Arc/Info will have a copy.  If they keep them.)

Thompson, Derek. "Geographic Information Systems: An Introduction."  1991-92
INTERNATIONAL GIS SOURCEBOOK. GIS World, 1991, pp. 338-341.

For examples of applications see: Goodchild, Michael. "A Taxonomy of GIS
Systems." INTERNATIONAL GIS SOURCEBOOK. 1991, PP. 380-383.

There was also a simple GIS article in the Journal of Geography, probably
2-3 years ago.  I cannot recall the title, however.

Regards

Larry Lewis                          BITNET:   mfltl@ecnuxa.bitnet
Geography Department                 INTERNET: mfltl@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Western Illinois University
Macomb, IL 61455
Tel (309) 298-1764
    (309) 298-1648
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From:         "V. NOGUEIRA" <NOGUEIRA@UTKVX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PC dBase mapping software

Can anyone give me an idea of the ongoing price for Map Info?

V. Nogueira
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:52:00 EST
From:         ds135 <David_Paul_STEVENS@UMAIL.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      SIG, Brasil e Planejamento Regional / GIS,
              Brazil and Regional Planning

SIG, Brasil e Planejamento Regional (message in English follows below)


Terei a oportunidade de passar um curto periodo de tempo no Brasil neste
final de ano, e embora o motivo da viagem seja pessoal, gostaria de
aproveitar a minha estadia para entrar em contato com orgaos governamentais,
consultoras e empresas que estejam utilizando Sistemas de Informacao
Geografica para atividades de Planejamento Regional. Embora o meu interesse
seja ainda mais especifico, gostaria de aproveitar a ocasiao para conhecer
como esta tecnologia esta sendo utilizada de uma maneira geral no Brasil na
area de Planejamento Regional. Agradeceria se pesquisadores e usuarios
brasileiros pudessem entrar em contato direto comigo para combinar um possivel
encontro durante a minha estadia no Brasil.
Obrigado.

GIS, Brazil and Regional Planning


I'll be going down to Brazil for a couple of weeks towards the end of the
year, and I would like to take the opportunity to get in touch with,
governmental departments, consulting companies and other organizations that
are using GIS for Regional Planning in Brazil. Even though my area of
research is even more specific than Regional Planning I would like to take
this first opportunity to be able to just get in touch with people and see
how GIS is being used in Brazil. I would be grateful if anyone that knows of
any contact, could send me the name and address. Thanks.

David Stevens
Graduate Fellow
University of Maryland
Department of Geography
e-mail: ds135@umail.umd.edu
tel.: (301) 422-0626
fax.: (301) 314-9299
From: RSIU42A@SAUPM00.BITNET (Trevor D. Rotzien)
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Subject: Laurini's and Thompson's book
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:49:43 GMT
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Thanks to Petra and Duane for the feedback on Laurini's and Thompson's
book.  It definitely does not sound like an alternative to Burroughs,
1986. What about Aronson's GIS: A Management Perspective? I'm presently
in the middle of it, and it is excellent so far. I am exactly one of those
people that Duane refered to as having a non-spatial analysis background,
but a profound interest in GIS. I think Aronson makes an excellent intro.

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From:         jan mersey <GEOJAN@VM.UOGUELPH.CA>
Subject:      Re: Laurini's and Thompson's book
              16 Nov 1992 21:14:50 GMT from <dmarble@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

      If the book you are referring to is Stan Aronoff's "Geographic
Information Systems: A Management Perspective", the publisher offers
a very substantial discount for classroom orders.  Also note that the
prices quoted by the publisher are in Canadian dollars.   Contact
WDL Publications, P.O. Box 585 Station B, Ottawa, Ontario, I1P 5P7.
Sorry I don't have a phone number.
      I have used this book for a GIS course and found it adequate,
a good alternative to Burrough.
Jan Mersey  (geojan@vm.uoguelph.ca)
From: young@solar.csie.ntu.edu.tw (Jia-Jang Young)
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Subject: Vector-based GIS tools
Date: 21 Nov 92 02:55:13 GMT
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As I know GRASS is a raster-based GIS tool.

Is there any vector-based GIS tools available? 

Any information will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Jia-Jang Young
Institute of Building and Planning
National Taiwan University
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From:         "Keith C. Clarke" <kclarke@RESDGW6.ER.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Map based emergency response system
              response system" (Nov 18,  7:41am)

I have personally tried to use a GPS recevier on the streets of mid-town
Manhattan, but have NEVER gotten a single fix. Even on top of my college,
17 floors up, there are too manysurrounding buildings for a good fix part
of the day. In a tree canopy, however, an antenna on a pole held high can
give good results. I'll try this in Central Park as soon as I can afford
an antenna.     kclarke@everest.hunter.cuny.edu
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From:         "(Yanni Xiao)" <xiao@ROSE.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Re: SPADS or SPANS?

>   received a request from a friend in Italy who is searching for a GIS
>   software product called SPADS (Spatial Analysis Data System).
>   Has anyone heard on this product, and if so, might know where I could
>   get more information about it?

Maybe your friend is looking for SPANS (Spatial Analysis System) by Tydac?
There are quite some SPANS users in Italy.
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From: <NORML@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject: Information on GIS cost Benefit analysis
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:55:01 GMT

Help!! I am trying to gather information on cost benefits of using a GIS for
engineering geology and civil engineering aplications.  I have checked with
general journals and with some sales brochures and have not found any hard
numbers.  The best information is all antidotal and I could really use some
quantitative estimates.  Please send any information or sources of
information which you might feel is useful - -

I will post the results on the net when the information arrives.

 Thank you for you help in advance.


Norman S. Levine - Dept. Earth & Atmospheric Science - Purdue University
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From:         "(Pip Forer)" <pip@GEOG.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ>
Subject:      Re: GIS for Acorn Archimedes hardware

> >> You can do quite a lot with multimedia mapping on the Acorn platform too.
 If y
   ou
> >>  like I'll pass on some specs of some work done here.

<< Yes, I would indeed be interested - and I gather that other GIS-L readers
 would
<< be as well.

 << Darius B



Sorry for the delay in replying... public holidays interveneed.

Our interest in multimedia mapping is prompted by a second year course that
 requires each student to focus on a project within a study area. We have tried
 to create a 'browsing' environment which allows students to explore the
 characteristics of the area and a list of resources about the area. Data ranges
 from small area units stats data to SPOT images to landscape views over the
 last 150 years.  The target audience is non-GIS oriented. They may want to
 explore material available or extract some of it for use within their project.

Basically our strategy has been to utilise Genesis, a Hypercard equivalent, as a
 front end : it is easy to clip together a variety of material and Genesis is
 quite flexible in its scripting language and graphics ( less so on its
 hypertext abilities). Part of the time it is using software units scripted
 within itself or using compiled modules called from within Genesis. At other
 times it uses graphics created within ArcPlot but catalogued under Genesis. At
 other times again it launches Acorn applications with appropriate data files (
 for instance Smart , a utility for extracting chosen map layers of a study area
 for cartographic work by students).

The intention is also to link in to Unix software by launching X sessions from
 Genesis. Most obviously we want to experiment with ArcView for providing an
 additional set of tools for viewing the data.

The use philosophy is to try to network the system and to tune it so that users
 are led to  experiment with browsing and imperceptibly(?) into some
 experimentation with simple tools. It is, of itself, not intended to be
 analysis oriented.

The multimedia aspect lies in combining a variety of data types. As a
 prototyping environment for this work we've been encouraged by the facility and
 speed of authoring tools like Genesis when combined with access to related
 software. The ability to author support tutorials for different user choices is
 also a big plus. The hounds are meant to see the hare next March, when the year
 begins. At that point access will be restricted and use an NFS link plus a
 local 600 Mb SCSI drive.

One thing we would like to do is develop some support within Unix for some of
 the multimedia aspects. Can anyone recommend a Supercard/Genesis/Hypercard
 package which offers X support and is inexpensive?


Any further queries I'd be happy to answer off of the net,

  Pip Forer, Geography, Canterbury University, Christchurch, New Zealand
From: ebodin@pearl.tufts.edu (Ethan Bodin)
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Subject: Resource Classification w/GIS
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:24:32 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA


I am an environmental policy graduate student writing a long-ish paper on
Geographic Information Systems use in water resource protection.  I'm
particularly interested in how GIS analysis is used to inform policy decisions
about resource area definitions.  Do people use numerical analysis, or look at
maps?  How are different land or water uses weighted in considerations of use
restrictions and zoning?

If anybody does this kind of stuff, or knows of some literature, please let me
know.

Thanks in advance,


Ethan Bodin
(617)437-0854
EBODIN@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:40:17 CST
From:         Pete Wolter <pwolter@SPARKIE.NRRI.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Remote Sensing List Server

There is no doubt that the GIS-L server is a valuable reference for GIS folks.

What I would like to know is does a similar service exhists for REMOTE
SENSING topics??  If anyone knows please list.

Thanks

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From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: gps and street mapping
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:15:01 GMT

The current (November 1992) issue of the INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF
REMOTE SENSING contains the following technical note:

Ardo, J. and P. Pilesjo, "On the accuracy of the global positioning
   system -- A test using a hand-held receiver," IJRS, Vol. 13, No.
   16, pp. 3229-3234.

     They report that the "mean errors and the root means square errors
in the Euclidian distances between the reference point and the measured
fix points were 17.9 meters and 20.0 meters respectively for the 2D
measurements. The mean error in elevation was 0.2 m and the
corresponding RMSE was 39.1 m.

     The unit used was a Magellan GPS NAV 1000.
-- 
Duane F. Marble			       E-mail: dmarble@magnus.acs.osu.edu
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
From: fielding@GEOLOGY.CORNELL.EDU
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Subject: Re: gps and street mapping
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:04:10 GMT
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Paul Miller writes:
>I would need a pretty accurate (about 0.2m MAXIMUM error in
>z values) DTM initially.

 There is no way you can get anywhere near this accuracy from SPOT
stereogrammetry! I think the best one can do is about 20 m vertical accuracy.

 I am not so familiar with GPS accuracy, but I would be very surprised
if you can get to less than a meter absolute vertical accuracy without
using expensive receivers and a known fiducial station running in
differential GPS mode.

 Are you sure you need this accuracy? If you are only interested in
changes in elevation, perhaps you don't need to know the absolute elevations...

                        ++Eric Fielding
eric@geology.cornell.edu
From: ztjm05@hou.amoco.com (Thomas Misek)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Drawing & CAD packages for SUN ?
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:23:58 GMT
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Organization: Amoco


---
I can suggest a couple of drawing or CAD packages for a Sun platform, it depends
upon what you want to do and how much effort you want to put toward learning
the software.

The top end CAD packages,  MicroStation and AutoCAD, are the most complete 
and have the steepest learning curve.  However, they can import DXF and CGM files
from other graphics software like Canvas.   You might see if you can get a discount
as an education institution. 

Lower range graphics software like Island Paint, Astrix and Corel Draw would be
useful for less intense drawing.

Good luck.


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