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From: rmills@controls.ccd.harris.com (Richard C. Mills)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Innocent Blood
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:40:59 GMT
Organization: Harris Controls and Composition


	
>>       Just one question.  Someone said Vapires predate christianity? How
>> so? I don't think so.

>well the most common myths dont, but if vampires exist,
>then they probably existed before christ was born

	Well, there I think you might be right now that I think about it.
(NO, I am not pushing anything).  The bible does mention vampire-like
creatures in the old testament, whether these were actual creatures or
people who messed with blood sacrifice, I don't know. 
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From: chanson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Hanson)
Subject: Re: Proper pronunciation of Cthulu
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 04:33:51 GMT

lsheehan@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

>	Aww, c'mon.. everyone knows the proper way to say the Deep One's name
>is with your tongue glued to the top of your mouth.  Theee you latrrr.

  Also, in ordinary circumstances, you probably do not wish to pronounce it
too emphatically, nor too often. Strange and horrible things have been known
to happen to those who invoke the name of the nameless one. ;)

  In extra-ordinary circumstances, or if you figure nothing WORSE can happen,
try shouting it. [Not responsible for adverse effects.]

>					lisa
>					lsheehan@hamp.hampshire.edu

Chris - Xenon

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From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Lilith and Eve
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 02:45:45 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Please remember that the bible we get nowadays was translated from 
Hebrew, a very complex language where even the individual letters have 
different meanings than just what they spell out. Many, many things were 
left out of the old testament when it was adopted by Christianity and 
translated into latin and then english. And a space of many hundreds or 
thousands of yearsd had gone by and poeples beliefs and outlooks had 
changed considerably. We are talking about a mythology(probably) after 
all..

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From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:51:03 GMT
Keywords: possible

>>It's not possible to be sensitive to the sun?  
>
>	It is possible and there is a name for the condition.  I don't 
>remember it off hand but it does exist.

There are a number of such conditions.  One of them is Porphyria (sp?),
and it has been stated that it is possible that that condition was
mistaken for many symptoms of "Vampyrism."

>
>>It's not possible to hallucinate the transformation to bat or wolf?
>
>	It is possible to hallucinate anything.  There is also a name 
>for the condition where people's facial features will actually change 
>to resemble a wolf.  There are no recorded cases of people that change 
>to resemble bats.

The disease is Lupus, and it is a debilitating disease weakening the
person to the point where they cannot even walk across a room without
utter exhaustion.  And the features changing to look like a wolf - it
only does if you look with an eye of faith.

BTW - It is a fatal disease and incurable (can go into remission).

>
>>It's not possible to have an extremely slowly aging physical body?
>
>	It is possible and is called longevity.  It is believed to be 
>a generic type of trait.

Do you mean genetic or does generic mean common or mundane type trait?

>>All are as probable (or more so) than wormholes, black holes or time
>>travel (which I happen to believe in also).  

One question, if time travel can exist, then where are all the time travellerss
from the future?

(Maybe hanging out with the vampyres and Elvis, eh? :) :) :) )

>
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From: spaceman@mwunix.mitre.org (Fletcher Williams)
Subject: Vampire Movies was:Re: Pale blood
Keywords: movies christianity vampires hollywood
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:18:33 GMT

---------------------

     I found "Pale Blood" to be one of the better, modern vampire films.
I thought that the charactarisations where good, even if the plot was
predictable.
     Along with another whose title escapes me, involving a vampire who hunted 
only humans who were despairing and 'wanted' to die. He picks up this one women 
and the movie deals with her trying to talk him out of using her for dinner and
they end up conveying aspects of themselves to each other. Also, in this film,
vampirism couldn't be transmitted via a bite. Hence, he couldn't make her a 
vampire if either of them had wanted it.
     <chuckle> Was bringing home all of the vampire movies I could for a while
when I had access to a televison and VCR. Quite alot of drek but a few that I
felt were worth the mild doses of radiation. :)
     If anyone is keeping track, I for one, enjoyed "Innocent Blood". Oh, and
for the poster who claims that 'lack of fangs' disqualifies one from being a
vampire...check out the classic vampire movie, "The Hunger".
         Yes, christianity came along after the vampire mythos. It has incorporated
other ideas and concepts other than vampires and modified them to suit its
needs.
      
     
Done rambling,
* Fletcher     

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From: morpheus@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Morpheus Nosferatu)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Forever Knight (9/22 Episode)
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:53:36 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Sep24.214839.28617@reed.edu> cramsay@nextweek.Reed.Edu (Celeste Ramsay) writes:
>P.S.  Natalie, a good character?  I beg to differ.  Her role in the season
>premier was just terrible.  In one episode the screenwriters managed to destroy 
>all of the character development from the last season.  She was supposed to be 
>turning Nick away from his vampire nature, and then she goes and blows it all
>just to make her brother immortal.  I guess we can't be too harsh though, continuity
>is primarilly a big-budget tv show thing.


My question about the season opener is is this episode all that new?
I got the impression that this epidose was one filmed sometime during the
last season, since at the beginning of the episode when the gunman is loose
in the police station there is the shot where Skanky (sp) is standing
behind Nick, pointing his gun over Nick's stoulder as the prisoner.  This
shot is in the opening credits of every episode, if I remember correctly.
This implies to me that the episode was filmed sometime during the last
season, and not shown until just now, possibly being held over to be used as
the season premier.

Which leads to the question, does anyone know what order the episodes
were filmed in?  Or for that matter, a list of all of the episodes?
From: jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe Wells)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: truth
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:25:38 GMT
 <JBW.92Oct3191229@bigbird.bu.edu> <BvKw89.JFK@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department
In-reply-to: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 4 Oct 92 03:55:19 GMT

In article <BvKw89.JFK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:

   In article <JBW.92Oct3191229@bigbird.bu.edu> jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe Wells) writes:
   >In article <6_lzccf@rpi.edu> battlec@cs.rpi.edu writes:
   >
   >   The only reliable source of truth is the real world around us.
   >
   >Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

   Would the other source be from visions gained while taking psychadelics?

You're getting warmer.

   Also, on the same note, would reality be derived from the world or
   out PERCEPTION of the world?

"world"?

   For instance, if we were to percieve that vampires exist, then would
   they?

"exist"?

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From: lsheehan@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Proper pronunciation of Cthulu
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:08:18 GMT

	Aww, c'mon.. everyone knows the proper way to say the Deep One's name
is with your tongue glued to the top of your mouth.  Theee you latrrr.

					lisa
					lsheehan@hamp.hampshire.edu

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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Movies
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:16:21 GMT

After Coppola announced he was doing Dracula, all the studios
have jumped on the bandwagon and I remember reading about quite
a number of vampire movies (5 or 6) coming out. We have already had
Buff TVS, and Innocent Blood. If anyone has any info (I didn't 
save the article I read) on upcoming stuff, please post.
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From: jarnolde@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (John Arnolde)
Subject: Re: Whampyri....
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, University of Wisconsin
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 19:26:09 GMT

In article <aj8qbkcm@csv.warwick.ac.uk> esrag@warwick.ac.uk (Mr W M D Wright) writes:
>Anyone out there read the 'Necroscope' books by Brian Lumley? Good alternative
>vampire theories, and a damn good read. Wel, I liked them....
>
I have read and liked a lot these books. I Have a question though, is 
Deadspawn the last in the series? I hope not, I've come to like Harry Keogh
and don't want to give him up. But, where can they go from the ending of
this book???



>Bill
>
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From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:26:01 GMT

fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:

>>The producer of the TV show "Night Talk" is having a halloween show with
>>witches and vampires (really) and is seeking vampires and vampire victims
>> -- victims in the sense of providing blood for vampires -- it may be a 
>>willing donation.  They are offering a ticket to Boston and accomodations
>>during the filming.  Please reply to my account or contact Rich Grant at
>>(800)795-5970.

>	Oh, come on!  Where do they find these people?  THERE ARE NO SUCH
>THINGS AS VAMPIRES!!!!  Get a clue!  It's okay for a fun fantasy, but let's
>try to keep things in perspective!  This woman is making some fast money
								^^^^^^^
>off those people stupid enough to believe in such rubbish!

Fast money is good money!  Get it where you can!

Personally, I've never met a "vampire" in person...and I'm not convinced
they exist (or don't exist) in any form...BUT...I am certain there are
people who THINK they ARE vampires and there are people who believe in
the bloodsuckers.  Doesn't thinking you are one almost MAKE you one?
(using the loosest definition of vampire).   You'd call someone who ate
dead humans a "ghoul".  You'd call someone who's mind was nearly shut
down and existing more physical than mental a "zombie".  Why wouldn't
you call someone who's skin was sensitive to the sun and fancied the
taste of blood a "vampire"?
 
A few years ago I interviewed a woman who thought she was a vampire for
my fanzine "Dark Chaos".  Her name was "Countess Misty", she lives in
California (I'm sure that doesn't surprise many of you). 
 
I'm convinced she had a strong belief she was a vampire and knew other
vampires...but I'm not convinced it's a physical/genetic and not a
mental syndrome.
 
She was also fairly intelligent...and I don't think you can call people
"stupid" for what they "believe".  I mean, there are some very
intelligent Christians out there.
 
...e 
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From: watanabe@orion.oac.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Innocent Blood
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:00:29 GMT

In article <markus.43.717863735@clement.info.umoncton.ca> markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN) writes:

>
>	C'mon!!  Do you really think a vawpire can go in a church??  The 
>wampires in 'Innocent Blood' doesn't have fangs.  They chew their victims' 
>neck and then suck their blood.  I found the movie stupid.  They're not 
>vapires.

well... assuming they really exist, yes, i do
assuming we are talking about a myth about creatures that
are satan's children then...
yes i still believe they can go into a church
i dont think satan cant get into a church
if you look around, church's today arent really that holy

and you have a problem with the fact that they 'chew' their victims' necks?
how are they supposed to do it? through tiny little pinholes?
doubt it


another person said:

>	Just one question.  Someone said Vapires predate christianity? How
> so? I don't think so.

well the most common myths dont, but if vampires exist,
then they probably existed before christ was born







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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Innocent Blood
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:53:48 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca

In <1992Oct02.204042.565@microsoft.com>
philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:

>In article <markus.54.717954163@clement.info.umoncton.ca> markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN) writes:
>>
>>	The vampire legend began with count Dracula who made a deal with 
>>Satan to have eternal youth and fight God.  What I saw in the movie is way 
>>over the original legend.
>>
>
>     Where did you ever get this idea?  Vampire legends are _far_, _far_
>older than Dracula.
>
>     Next you'll be saying that Tolkien invented elves.  Sheesh.
>
>				-Phil

Absolutely right as far as vampires are concerned. There is mention of them
in the old testament.

  Tolkien didn't invent elves....next you'll tell me there is no tooth fairy!
:-)

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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Warren Publications
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:00:01 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca

Did anyone ever get the rights to the Vampirella character?

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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Innocent Blood
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:48:36 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <453@asylum.UUCP>, quark@asylum.UUCP (I think I know you.) writes:

> Dracula was based on somone who had a penchant for putting people on stakes 
> to prove points (so to speak).  It was penned by a victorian actor, if my 
> memory serves me right...

I don't know if Stoker was an actor, but he was the agent of one of the 
best known British actors of that time.  Irving was his name I believe.

> In a pedantic mood, I am

Pedant all you want, Dave.  :^)

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From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Coppola's Dracula
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 21:08:01 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

I just spoke to the unit publicist for Coppola's Dracula yesterday who 
told me many interesting things:

The movie is sceduled for release November 13th,Friday..

They are still editing it,it is not even finished!

A book is to be released called;Aiko and Coppola on Bram Stoker's Dracula
Collins Publishers in San Francisco.Coppola will be in SF Oct.17th 
signing copies at the Bay Area Book Festival.

The costumes are supposed to be incredible!

They are going to be releasing the Dracula Fashion Line,overseen by the 
product developement consultant,Terry Melville, due in stores in 
November.Specialty and Department stores will carry these drop dead 
elements, including:vests,lingerie,leather jackets,blood red 
lipstick,jeweled fangs,coffin handbags and elaborate ballgowns..

Check out the October issue of 'Mirabella' for a spread on Drac wear..

Thus ends my report...

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Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 00:21:13 -0400 
From: Tariq Andre Mahadeo <tm3j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: slavery

I'm very interested in meeting "people" who profess to being vampires.
Send me e-mail.
--Tariq


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From: tarrall@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dead Queen)
Subject: Re: god(Lowercase Intended)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:22:55 GMT

battlec@cs.rpi.edu writes:

>In article <1992Sep29.214318.159951@zeus.calpoly.edu>, molsen@zeus.calpoly.edu (Mark David Olsen) writes:
>|> In article <92272.032804SWR103@psuvm.psu.edu> Sean Rearick <SWR103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:


>	This is FICTION people! Y`know...make-believe!  Are we that desperate
>	for truth that we resort to fairy tales as the basis for a belief 
>	system.  Might you start reciting the "litany against fear" and 
>	destroying computers after reading DUNE? These stories are meant to
>	entertain not profess truth.  The only reliabe source of truth is the
>	real world around us.  Fiction presents ideas, not answers.


You are wrong.  How can you have questions and no answers?  Very often
the questions are the answers.  You may wonder how people in the world
outside of your own make decisions.  Let me inform you, many ideas are
connected to make one nimbus thought, an actual decision is based usually
on thousands of these random-construct thoughts.  IF it is the case
that I am influenced by a work of fiction, or non-fiction than so
be it, fuck you for thinking that I have made anything less valuable,
for having based it on an imagined or preceved to be imagined concept.
Many people spend hours a day basing their entire life on fictional
constructs, for example The Bible <>arguments about this go in
alt.atheism<> and many others.  You are also wrong when you
say that entertainment and truth are apart form each other.  I
know that in most of the rest of the peoples universe's (other than
mine own I mean) entertainment is where you go and have other people
provide a basic gratification for your attention, i.e. most of
Television provides sex, for me entertainment is found in learning
and learning of other peoples forms of the 'truth'.  This is
a personal statement however it is provided so that you might see
that truth and entertainment are not nessicarily mutually exclusive.

You can think anything you want, just stop trying to force me to
think the same way.

-DQ
God save the Queen, God bless us all.

	
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From: osiris@crash.cts.com (James Lanaghan)
Subject: Re: Killing your neighborhood vampire
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:46:18 GMT

In <is51195@pro-amber.cts.com> rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki) writes:

>>I think it was a Christopher Lee vamp film where he was walking across
>>an ice covered river, and the hero short a few holes in the ice.  Lee
>>dropped into the running river, to his death.

>You're right. It was in a Christopher Lee film where this method was
>employed. Thats about the only place that I have seen or heard of it.

IMO I always thought it pretty stupid that a Vampire wouldn't be able to
cross runing water, it would make it have to go miles out of it's way to get
somwhere at times.  And as for the staking of the heart, I like the Vampire
RPG idea that it doesn't kill the Vampire only immobilizes them.

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From: kat@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Flame's Passion)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: lilith
Keywords: Lilith, Bible, vampire?
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:51:10 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <fluffy.718128939@camelot> fluffy@camelot.bradley.edu (Jeffrey Waltersdorf) writes:

>As far as Lillith being the first wife of Adam--definitely not from
>canonical Scripture.  Eve is the first woman, created from Adam's side,
>and also his first wife.

Finally!  I couldn't quite understand how Lillith was Adam's first wife when
Eve was around before her...  If it doesn't mention Lillith in the Bible, then
where did the legend (folklore, whatever) come about that she was Adam's first
wife? I'm still confused on this point.....  Anyone?

kat
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