From: hilmi-er@vall (Hilmi Eren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: How Turks view Democracy
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:15:13 GMT
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Yannis Schoinas (schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu) wrote:
: hilmi-er@vall (Hilmi Eren) writes:
: 
: >    + 1) The Muslim minority in Greece are not allowed to *REPAIR*
: >         their property. Not only the Turks but all muslims.


:            Well, I would like an explanation on this. What do you mean
:            they are not allowed to repair their property?


            + Here is the explanation: If you're a muslim,Turk
            + and you have  a own house that's falling apart- to
            + repair your own house you'll have to have a permit
            + from the athourities nearby. If you don't have a permit
            + you must go to the court! If you don't believe this ask
            + these muslims living in Greece.
            




                      

        
: >    + 2) The Turks are not being recognized as Turks. The Greek Government
: >         calls  the muslims for Greek-muslims. Evidence?: In northern
            Greece there is a people
: >         called "pomacs". These people are said to be Greeks taken the 
: >         religion of Islam. When you ask themselves they all say "we are
: >         Turks"! This is one view of Greek Democracy- buy the way there is
: >         just one taxi in this village-owned by a Greek. To get a driving-
: >         license for a tractor for a Turk is much more diffucult than
: >         studying in Oxford Universty- why - just to make these people
: >         move out of Greece  leaving their lands.
: 
: 	  The muslims of western Thrace were defined as such in the Lausagne
: 	  treaty signed by Greece and Turkey. They consinst of Pomaks, Turks
: 	  and Gypsies. If all of them want now to be Turks, I don't have any 
: 	  problem with that. But you must realize that the greek government
: 	  is perfectly entitled(i.e., legally entitled) to refer to them as
: 	  muslims as long as it refers to the whole muslim population of 
: 	  western Thrace.
: 	  
         + Is this your "democracy"? Now i understand the "Macedonian-problem"
         + in Greece- the Greek Government have the "legaly entitled" right
         + to call Macedonians for "Greek-Macedonians" just as they call
         + Turks for muslims in todays Greece!
   
: >    + 3) The Macedonians further North are aware of the Greek "Democracy".
: >         Because the Greek Government and some Greeks calls these people
: >         Greeks just they call the "pomacs" in Northern Greece for Greeks.
: 
: 	  I could get into the discussion on the definition of what the
: 	  word Greek means but I will refrain from doing so. BTW, what 
: 	  language do the Oflis speak?
         
         + Why don't you? Explain to millions of Macedonians why they are
         + Greeks and not Macedonians. Language of Oflis? Maybe Chinese
         + who knows?
: 
: >         Everybody except some Greeks know that these tactics are used
: >         , by the Greek Governmnet, to make the Greeks awarness of the
: >          economic situation in Greece equal to zero.
: 
: 	  Not true. I think that the government was trapped in this issue
: 	  due to the public sendiment. This issue has probably cost more 
: 	  to the government than if any probable gain of shifting the
: 	  attention from economy.
:        
         + Cost more? What? A journey (gas) to USA to convince the Americans
         + of the Macedonian issue? 
: 							 Bye,
: 							Yannis.


+Hilmi Eren