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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:43:13 CST
From:         Titivillus <T9AA@SDSUMUS.SDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 12:01 PM
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> >> >    i think that one of these first months, the nation is gonna look at
> >> > clinton and wish that george was back in the white house. it should be
> >> > about 6 months before everybody realizes that bill is not up to the
> >> > job, and then we have another 3 1/2 years before we can put someone
> >> > competent in the white house. ethics. haitians. living with saddam.

> >Assuming a version of Bill that is genetically engineered to run
> >the Oval Office (excuse me while I delve into SF), the real problems
> >of America are difficult to deal with. It took nearly 12 years of
> >our support for Saddam Hussein to become the bad person we all know

>         Whoa!  Iraq was on the A list for enemies right up until they invaded
> Iran, at which point they went on the "lesserr of two evils" list.  There wasn
> a "tilt" towards favoring Iraq until 1987, when it looked like they would lose
> to Iran in the Iran-Iraq war.
>         And Iraq was, right up until the failed coup, a client of the USSR.

We started giving support to Iraq (if I remember correctly - this was
public info but not heavily publicized, so I don't know the facts as
well as I wish to) either after the Tehran Embassy was taken or soon
after Reagan became president (I don't know which), but I know that
Iraq recieved spy satellite information as well as arms from the US
at least in the mid 1980s. Heck, Iraq had (dunno about now - the DS
pilots had a field day) Chieftain tanks, the #2 British design. Iraqi
uniforms were bought from a supply of British desert uniforms they
sold a few years ago. Sounds like a straight USSR client state to me! B)

> >and love, and this situation will not go away in 6 months. It is a
> >foreign policy disaster of large proportions, and no quick fix will
> >make everyone happy. We want a militarist dictator next to Iran to
> >keep Iran in check and it just so happens that the one we have chosen
> >is Saddam.

>         Well, Bush thought he had one in Saddam.  Like he thought he had one i
> Noriega.  Hopefully the pattern of dictators turning (or putting the US in a
> bad situation, a la the Philippines and Haiti) will discourage future coddling

Yeah, there are only, what, 170 nation-states in the world? The
amount of dictators who used to be good friends of Bush must be
almost used up by now!  B)

> >> EXACTLY.  After 12 years of Republican leadership, all of a sudden
> >> Reagan and Bush are seen as the tyrants that made our country bad.
> >> So, we elect Clinton to make things better?  Shyeah!  Right!  As if!

> >All of the sudden? I've been posting dire messages of impending doom
> >for YEARS now and this is supposed to be sudden? Wake up and smell
> >the brocolli!

>         Sour grapes. :)

Why not? B)

> >"foreign policy genius" before that created OPEC, started a long

>         ?  Nixon "created" OPEC?  Did he leap tall buildings also? :)

"Able to violate the constitution in a single bound!" As I understand
it, Nixon and Kissenger wanted Saudi to have some F-16s or something,
but with the nature of oil at that time, King Fahd or whoever ran things
then didn't have the liquid assets. (PNI)

The organization of OPEC allowed Saudi to buy those jets. And OH so
much more.  B) I'd be more than happy to read up on this and see what
documentary evidence there is to it.

> Brett'

Dave
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