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From: winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: TCP/IP access on packet radio...
Date: 13 Dec 92 01:12:07 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Dec11.051522.5183@mail.cornell.edu> eric@j30264293.reslife.cornell.edu (Eric L. Beyer) writes:
>
>-- 
>   How exactly does direct telnet, ftp, etc. kind of access work on packet
>radio?  Is it like SLIP, where you're assigned an IP address when you log
>into the internet system, or does it work some other way?

You obtain an IP address from your local coordinator. (I understand from
the AMPRnet address coordinator that an up-to-date list will be posted
here soon.) Your local person will then update the hosts.net list that's
distributed to other TCPers in your area so that they know you exist.
You can go ahead and make connections as soon as you have your address.


73,
Patty

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    ::   Patty Winter N6BIS	       Internet: winter@apple.com  ::	     
    ::   Sunnyvale, California	       AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44          ::
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Need info : high speed communication
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:30:51 GMT

In article <aksamit.3.0@uci.agh.edu.pl> aksamit@uci.agh.edu.pl (Grzegorz Aksamit) writes:
>
>Hi to all,
>Me and my friends (5 people) want to build backbone high speed packet net
>on 432MHz. I've some questions :
>1. I've heard about GRAPES 56k modems - what I need for this modem ? (Is 
>special radio required, which TNC , maybe PI card , how much it cost )

The modem is an RF modem. That means it *is* the radio as well as the
data modem. It outputs on the 28 MHz band, so you need a transverter
to move that up to 432 MHz. We use the Microwave Modules units, but
there are other transverters that work. You'll also need a digital
interface. That can be as simple as a soupped up TNC2, we include
plans on how to do that, or a PI or Gracillis card will work directly
plugged into your PC. That's the preferred method since 56 kb is difficult
to stuff through a serial port on a PC.

>2. What about GRAPES modem and other speed of transmision ( I'm afraid that 
>some of us won't be able to buy an expensive equipment )-I'm intrested in 
>9600,19200 and standart 1200bps.

The GRAPES modem works at 4 standard speeds, 56k is the fastest, but it's
modulation method, MSK, is not compatible with other packet modems. So
it won't interoperate with any but other GRAPES modems. It's modulation
was designed for minimum bandwidth occupancy and uses 49 times less bandwidth
per baud than a 1200 baud Bell 202 style modem found in ordinary TNCs.

>3. What about tcp/ip on high speed net ( special programs ,packet drivers?)

There are KA9Q drivers for the PI and Gracillis cards. The soupped up
TNC interfaces like an ordinary KISS TNC, but requires the 16550 chips
in the serial card to keep up with the modem.

Gary KE4ZV

Xref: sparky rec.radio.amateur.packet:3264 rec.radio.amateur.misc:20886
From: cvm@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE: SMC: "Above and beyone the call..."
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:51:06 GMT
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Organization: Northern Arizona University

In a previous article, ifjrs@acad3.alaska.edu wrote:

>connections and 10baseT.  Well, OK, I thought.  My NeXT cube has a twisted-
>pair type connector, so no problem, right?  Obviously, I'm a bit naive about 
>Ethernet!  On doing some reading, I discovered that I would now need a 
>"concentrator" to be able to hook up my 386 to my NeXT.  They turn out to cost 
>~$500.

If you only need to connect two machines with 10baseT you don't need a hub. 
You can just connect them with a simple crossover cable.  Wire the RJ45
connectors like this:

           Pin #s

     TX+  1 ---- 3  RX+
     TX-  2 ---- 6  RX-
     RX+  3 ---- 1  TX+
     RX-  6 ---- 2  TX-


When looking at the male connector (the one on the cable)  from the end with
the little locking piece of plastic pointing down,  the righmost pin is #1 and 
the leftmost is #8.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Michels -- Systems Programmer             cvm@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
Northern Arizona University -- Flagstaff, AZ    cvm@nauvax.bitnet
Phone: (602) 523-6495                           N7YIU
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: 1200 bps modem standards: deviation? 
Distribution: world
Organization: None
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:16:24 +0000


Most professional systems use 60% of peak deviation and a flat
response (i.e. no pre-emphasis in the Tx or de-emphasis in the Rx).
This means both tones at 3kHz for channel spacing of 25kHz (peak dev.
5 kHz). I have my packet system set up this way. 

I would guess a lot of people end up with pre/de-emphasis due to
injecting the tones at the mic. connector and tapping off the speaker
connections.


Dave
--
David Brooke
Over                 dave@fusk.demon.co.uk         g6gzh@g6gzh.ampr.org
Cambridge         dbrooke@cix.compulink.co.uk         G6GZH @ GB7MHD
From: tener@cs.widener.edu (Stuart Tener)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Hi-Speed Packet
Date: 19 Dec 1992 19:17:13 -0500
Organization: Widener University Department of Computer Science, Chester PA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pebbles.cs.widener.edu

HI-SPEED HAM PACKET

I currently own a DVR2-2, a KAM and a little pc hardware.

I have some questions:
1) what is required to run tcp/ip under a USL SVR4 derivative?

2) Has anyone every written any software to make a packet station into a
tcp/ip terminal server?

3) I have for a long time enjoyed the excellence of Kantronics
equipment, is there any reason not buy there new Data Engine?

4) What links can be made between packet, and connecting to a unix box
over the air? (rlogin into my unix box via amateur packet)

I know very little about running tcp/ip under packet. I am quite
interested thow, and wish to design a new station for it.

thank you in advance.

73,
Stuart
tener@lucy.cs.widener.edu
n3gwg@k3pgb.#epa.pa.usa.na
(215)-338-6005 (voice)

please reply via netmail or postings (no packet please the station is
temporarilly down)
From: bdale@gag.com (Bdale Garbee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: KISS and RSPF protocol definitions/descriptions
Date: 13 Dec 1992 16:51:50 -0700
Organization: The Bit Basement
NNTP-Posting-Host: winfree.gag.com

a-kevinp@microsoft.COM (Kevin Purcell, Rho) writes:
> Where can I find the definitions of the KISS and RSPF protocols in 
> either printed or electronic form?

KISS is documented in an appendix of the userman.doc manual for pre-NOS NET,
which can be found among other places on col.hp.com in packet/890421.1.

The RSPF doc is floating around somewhere on col.hp.com, as well.

Bdale, N3EUA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: rerickso@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ronald D. Erickson)
Subject: Re: 1200 bps modem standards: deviation?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:51:09 GMT


You need to check off the air on the tone levels.  Some 
rigs will attenuate the higher frequency and you will not
know it by the levels you are feeding the transmitter.
I experiment and use as little audio level on both receive
and transmit I can get by with.  I think the idea deviation
is supposed to be 5 kHz just like with NFM modulation.  One
unscientific method I have heard of is to listen to your
transmitted signal and cut it back enough so there is never
any over deviation (cut outs) heard on a proper receiver.

On my Digicom/64 interface I have three positions, two for
VHF another position for HF packet.  I found out I had much
greater success on packet paths when I used the position
which boosts the high frequency transmit bandpass.

Ron
AK0N
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: ted@tedb.demon.co.uk (Edward Batts)
From: gaulandm@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Mike Gauland)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Need help with SoftKISS and NET/Mac
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:08:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, OR

I've got the Packet Mac Modem (73, October 1992) hooked up to my LC, and am
running SoftKISS and NET/Mac.  All is working well, but it seems to take a long
time (around 10 seconds) to transmit.  This is my first packet station, but
that seems a bit long to me, especially on a clear channel.  I think I've got
reasonable values for the TNC parameters.  Can anyone offer ideas?

thanks,
Mike

-- 
Michael A. Gauland	gaulandm@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM  
AA7JF			(503) 627-5067
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: dearnshaw@worldbank.org (Darrell Earnshaw)
Subject: Service Messages
Organization: The World Bank
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:59:59 GMT

I'd like to pose what may be a really dumb question. Have the authors of the
BBS code ever considered including support for Service Messages? I'm using the
X.400 interpretation of a Service Message, where they are generated only by the
BBS, and usually serve as a delivery or non-delivery receipt. I don't advocate
the idea of a delivery receipt, but a non-delivery receipt would certainly be
very useful. The reason that I ask is that I send mail to the U.K. on a regular
basis. If I don't get an acknowledging reply from my friend(s), I have no idea
whether (a) the mail was simply "lost", or (b) whether my friend didn't read
his mail. It would be a nice touch if any BBS that rejected mail could generate
a very short reply back to the originator with some code indicating the reasons
(invalid address, mail not read, etc).

	I don't think that these types of messages would place a great load on the BBS
systems and infrastructure as I assume most messages get through, but they
would be extreemly helpful.

-- Darrell 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP access on packet radio...
Organization: Tekelec, Raleigh, NC
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:53:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.051522.5183@mail.cornell.edu> writes:
>   How exactly does direct telnet, ftp, etc. kind of access work on packet
>radio?  Is it like SLIP, where you're assigned an IP address when you log
>into the internet system, or does it work some other way?

You must get an IP address(es) assigned to you.  The IP address is 
essentially a permanent attribute of your station.  Probably someone 
in your area coordinates this and will give you an IP address.  Best bet
is to log into one of the local packet stations which is running
some form of NOS and leave a message to the sysop asking where
he got his address from.

Note that machines which accept IP connections normally also accept
straight AX.25 connections, so if you are just trying to *connect*
to another node which is running IP protocols, then you don't have
to do anything special, and IP addresses never come into the picture.
Since you mention telnet & ftp though I assume that you are actually
running some form of NOS at your end, so you'll need to get an
IP address before you can go any further.

When you start up your TCPIP software (presumably AmigaNOS if you
are going to use that "rusty A500"), some of the commands you need
to issue will set define your communication ports and set the IP 
address used by each port.  This would normally be in the NOS startup 
file, so it isn't really something you have to do interactively, but 
that's beside the point.

Hope this helps, at least a little ...

         73  --Mark Lanzo-- KD4QLZ
	 lanzo@tekelec.com
         Running AmigaNOS on my (t)rusty A3000 ...
From: chris@tubbs.UUCP (Chris Moustakis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: SCO ODT 2.0, TCP/IP and Packet Radio
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:21:49 GMT
Organization: The Ultimate BBS

Hi

I am interested in getting packet tcp/ip going to a friend of mine using SCO
Unix.  I know this can be done succesfully with packages like ka9q under DOS
but I would like to avoid this.

Are there any s/w packages available that will interface to tcp/ip to say give
me a slip link to a destination machine with the same setup?

I would appreciate any information that can be provided

Chris

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From: Erik@tdkt.kksys.com (Erik Jacobson)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: NOS (packet): Can serial port get BBS access?
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:36:24 -0600

I'm very new to packet radio TCP/IP stuff.  I'm using version: KA9Q version
911229 (PA0GRI v2.0h) TCMAN v920420a

I believe some things were tweeked a bit for the Twin City Metro Area Network. I
don't think anything major was done...  With that out of the way...  I'm going
to try to ask the question the best I can.

Because I am sometimes away from my home, but would still like to use a lot of
the services NOS provides, I was trying to think of a way to get into NOS via
Modem.  I run a landline bulletin board system with DesqView.  But, for now,
let's pretend that isn't an issue.

I am wondering if there is a way to get nos to send out some sort of login
prompt directly to a modem so that if the modem were called, a person would be
able to check into the PBBS and do things such as telnet to other packet sights.
 What I'd really like is to also have options where ttylink could be used, but
that's getting ahead of myself.

I was thinking that one possible way to do it would be to run some sort of
program (or use dos CTTY somehow) that would just send all of nos's output out
the modem.  (In other words, send input and receive output from the serial
port).  I have no idea how this would work, but the first step is to ask: is it
possible?

I was trying to speak with some friends of mine about this, and they couldn't
think of an easy way to do it.

If you have a good answer, keep in mind that there are other problems. NOS runs
in a DesqView window.  My BBS runs in another window.  (Maybe that is actually
good.. is there a way to cross windows somehow?)

Oh well.  I just thought I'd ask.  Thanks for reading this

Erik

 * Origin: Dark Knight's Table - N0SVX - Minnetonka, MN (1:282/31)
From: lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Help with Standard C118 and PACKRAT-64.
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:28:57 +1700
Organization: Lamar University - Beaumont

I was asked to seek information:

A local ham wants to use a Standard C118 2 meter rig and packrat-64 TNC
and software for packet.  His question:

Does anyone have any ideas about the wiring for the Standard to the tnc?

Also, where is a good source of crystals (This model is crystal operated)
can be purchased for 145.01?

Written for N5VZT by N5UYH

Please respond email to ---> lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu

Thanks in advance....

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: rnielsen@tapr.ampr.ORG (Bob Nielsen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: TAPR 9600 bps modem
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:00:57 GMT
Organization: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

angelo_glorioso_III@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US writes:

> Have the new Tarp 9600 BPS modem been released yet? Has the new Deviation
> meter been released yet!!!

The TAPR 9600 bps modem was released in March 1992 and a revision was 
released a few weeks ago.  The deviation meter has taken a back seat to 
this and some revision to Metcon-1, however, and is still not ready :-(

We are hoping it will be available by the TAPR Annual Meeting on March 6, 
1993.

Bob Nielsen W6SWE
President, Tucson Amateur Packet Radio
rnielsen@tapr.ampr.org
From: a-kevinp@microsoft.COM (Kevin Purcell, Rho)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: TCP/IP access on packet radio...
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:01:49 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

A couple of points.

SLIP is just what is says it is a byte for byte encapsulation of IP 
over a serial line (therefore what you said is correct -- you need an 
IP address first). Everything else stays the same, you run TCP or UDP 
or whatever over the top of the line and nobody can see the join.

PP is not a replacement for SLIP -- it is different. Have a look at the RFC.

KISS is a sort of SL-AX25 (just thought I'd throw that one in for free :-)

Finally, an "internet" is just a group of interconnected networks. I 
work with AppleTalk internets. Note that this sense of the word is 
independent of IP or any other protocol stack, just so long as you can 
route between networks (layer 3, if my memory still works).

"The Internet" (note the definite article and the capital 'I') is the 
collection of networks that you mention and any other network connected 
to the Internet.

Part of the problem is that people think of these terms as being 
synonymous when in fact they mean particular things.

Books to read:

Tannenbaum's "Computer Networks" is good, as are any books by Comer 
"Internetworking with TCP/IP (vol. 1 and 2)" and his Xinu books 
(especially vol. 2, which outlines an implementation of a TCP/IP stack 
for an LSI-11 running Xinu (Xinu Is Not UNIX)). Both are computer 
science major level (and beyond texts) not ham radio "how to" books.

BTW, is there an amateur radio TCP/IP "how to" book? I've read a few of 
the intro grabed with ftp, but is there a real book? Could be an opening here!

73 de Kevin Purcell N7WIM/G8UDP (Seattle, WA)          a-kevinp@microsoft.com
Do your interests match mine? If so call me. I'd like to hear from you.
QRP, Packet, TCP/IP, Digital voice, Macintosh, Spread Spectrum, Homebrew,
Satellites, Antenna design, Propagation, VHF/UHF weak signal, Microwave, QEX

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP information-  Thanks!  And some more questions.
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:07:51 GMT

In article <75508@apple.apple.COM> winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter) writes:
>
>If there are TCP, AX.25, and NET/ROM stations on the same frequency
>(not very likely! but I'm trying to make a point) you can have multiple
>sessions of different types open simultaneously.

It's not just likely, it's assured in our network. We do level 0 based
on terrain and connectivity, not protocol.

Gary KE4ZV

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: aksamit@uci.agh.edu.pl (Grzegorz Aksamit)
Subject: Need info : high speed communication
Organization: University Of Mining and Metallurgy
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:09:20 GMT


Hi to all,
Me and my friends (5 people) want to build backbone high speed packet net
on 432MHz. I've some questions :
1. I've heard about GRAPES 56k modems - what I need for this modem ? (Is 
special radio required, which TNC , maybe PI card , how much it cost )
2. What about GRAPES modem and other speed of transmision ( I'm afraid that 
some of us won't be able to buy an expensive equipment )-I'm intrested in 
9600,19200 and standart 1200bps.
3. What about tcp/ip on high speed net ( special programs ,packet drivers?)

73
Greg SP9-69012/KR (SWL yet but not long)
                                 
                                        Grzegorz Aksamit
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: wvogel@MtHolyoke.edu (keeper of the tone)
Subject: packet freqencies
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:03:06 GMT


does anyone know the western massachusetts packet frequencies?

tnx and 3's de AJ0AE
From: USERID@bunny.gte.com (Alan R. Bugos)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: IP Address Assignment in Boston Area
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:34:15 GMT
Organization: GTEL

Does anyone know who assigns IP addresses for packet in the Boston area?  
Please reply to: arb2@gte.com  and thank you.



Alan R. Bugos, N1NQI
GTE Laboratories, Inc.
Photonics Techniques Department
40 Sylvan Road
Waltham, MA 02254

INTERNET:  arb2@gte.com
From: rnielsen@tapr.ampr.ORG (Bob Nielsen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: TAPR Address
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:37:44 GMT
Organization: Tucson Amateur Packet Radio
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Several messages recently have asked for information about TAPR.  TAPR 
can be reached at:

Tucson Amateur Packet Radio
P.O. Box 12925
Tucson, AZ 85732

Telephone: 602-749-9479 (10am - 3pm MST, Tu- Fr)
FAX: 602-749-5636

Internet:  tapr@tapr.ampr.org

I can also answer any questions readers may have about TAPR.

73,
Bob Nielsen W6SWE
President, Tucson Amateur Packet Radio

Bob Nielsen W6SWE       
ax.25: w6swe@wb7tpy.az.usa.na    Internet: rnielsen@tapr.ampr.org
amateur IP: 44.124.12.16         CIS: 71540,2364
From: ifjrs@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: 1200 bps modem standards: deviation?
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:20:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Dec12.142052.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <1992Dec11.195109.7356@news.unomaha.edu>, rerickso@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ronald D. Erickson) writes:
> 
> You need to check off the air on the tone levels.  Some 
> rigs will attenuate the higher frequency and you will not
> know it by the levels you are feeding the transmitter.
> I experiment and use as little audio level on both receive
> and transmit I can get by with.  I think the idea deviation
> is supposed to be 5 kHz just like with NFM modulation.  One


Deviation needs to be more like 3.5Khz.

73, John
> unscientific method I have heard of is to listen to your
> transmitted signal and cut it back enough so there is never
> any over deviation (cut outs) heard on a proper receiver.
> 
> On my Digicom/64 interface I have three positions, two for
> VHF another position for HF packet.  I found out I had much
> greater success on packet paths when I used the position
> which boosts the high frequency transmit bandpass.
> 
> Ron
> AK0N
-- 
--

John Stannard
ifjrs@acad3.alaska.edu		BITNET:  IFJRS@ALASKA
KL7JL@KL7JL.AK.USA.NA		kl7jl.ampr.org  [44.22.0.1]

"God is the Answer!"   "Oh?? ... er, ... What was the Question?"

--
From: chandler@beagle.UUCP (Jim Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: TAPR number
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:35:14 PST
Reply-To: jwc@sactoh0.sac.ca.us
Distribution: world
Organization: Total and Complete Disorganization

I am looking for the TAPR number.  I understand that they sell circuit 
boards for TNC and modems for packet use.  Thanks

------------
Jim Chandler, KD6IRV
sactoh0!beagle!chandler
From: MCGEE@lecs.ericsson.se (Don H. McGee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: TCP and Ethernet
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:13:25 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Greetings, 
I have a Class B network, at the office, with an Ethernet backbone. My office
computer is on this Ethernet, running SCO Sys V, 3.2. 

I have another machine (MSDOS) that is running KA9Q NOS. One port is to a
TNC (KISS) amd radio, the other port is available )for a SLIP line. etc.). 

My questions: (1) What would be best: a SLIP line between the two machines, 
or an Ethernet adaptor (3-Com) on the NOS machine?

(2) Should tof the two ends of the SLIP line be a part of the 
Class B office net or should they be in the 44.nn.nn.nn ampr.org net?

(3) Does KA9Q NOS allow different IP addresses for the SLIP port and the
AX25 port on the NOS machine?

Any help or comments would be appreciated, especially from those of you
that have put a ham TCP/IP machine on a local Ethernet. 

Thanks, 
Don McGee   ecudhm@erigate.ericsson.se   KF6CJ@WD4ELJ.VA.USA.NOAM