HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sieh@panix.com (Kraft Cheese Singles)
Subject: Places to visit (was Re: Illiteracy Rate in PRC)
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:51:34 GMT

In article <93Jan5.151112est.141@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> 
liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>In article <1icn8sINN8vs@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu 
>(Xuejun Yang) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan5.173647.25246@rd.hydro.on.ca> rkng@rd.hydro.on.ca
>>(Ron Ng) writes:
>>>[question on China's literacy rate deleted]
>>The last census result shows that the general population
>>of China is something like > 75% LITERATE in 1990.
>>Among the 25% illiterate, majority of them are over
>>60 years old (i,e, they passed their primary educational
>>opportunity before the commiunist takeover in 1949.
>>
>>I think its very common for Westners to have a misinformed
>>image of China. I was watching C-SPAN one night, the
>>US Commerce Secretary Barbara Fraklin said something
>>like the following: 
>>Pres. Bush asked me to go to China. I thought China
>>was a bunch of peasents in some rice paddes. I was
>>shocked when I arrived in China. We in the West
>>have an impression of China that can not be farther
>>away from the truth. When I got to ShenZhen from
>>HongKong, I can not tell the difference between the
>>two places....
>>
>interesting, but I guess it's not too hard to
>find a bunch of peasants in rice fields in china,
>and hopefully these places will eventually
>catch up with ShenZhen.  

This poses an interesting question.  I certainly think that
ShenZhen is atypical of China.  The question though is if
someone who was interested in visiting China asked, where 
are the places to visit that would give one the best flavor
of what China is and how the people live, where would you
tell them to see?  Which provinces or cities would you 
recommend to a traveller interested in seeing China?

-- 
//Lui Sieh		|How seldom we weigh our neighbor in the same
Mail-to: sieh@panix.com |balance with ourselves. -- Thomas A. Kempis
Disclaimer: These are my opinions...but others may share them as well

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From: an3845@anon.penet.fi (Tory)
Subject: Re: Rumor: U.S. Selling Nuke Sub to Taiwan?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.china
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:52:58 GMT

carl_@nwu.edu writes:

>What do you gain by attacking Taiwan?

Three more:

What does US gain by selling Nuke Sub to Taiwan?
What does China lose by buying aircraft carrier from Russia?
What do you gain by not attacking Taiwan?

It is sad that a regional war will be inevitable, in which
one of Asian's fastest growing economies (Taiwan) will be ruined,
China will be condamned by UN but no one would like to intervene,
in the end the West will have to do bussines with the largest 
market in the world - China.

It will be interesting to see this happen.

Tory
 
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From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: ~~~~~~~ REAGAN VOTED FOR CLINTON ? ~~~~~~~
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:59:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.194048.9611@fcom.cc.utah.edu> jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li) writes:
>
>	Yes, used-to-be President Reagan voted for Bill Clinton in the recent
>election.  Reasons are simple: (1). Reagan does not like Bush anymore; (2)
>Clinton visited Reagan in Southern California before the election.

3)  "Are you asking me who's George Bush?  argh, to the best of my
knowledge, I don't recall such a person, and I don't remember having
a meeting with him, and I deny any knowledge knowing anything this
George Bush may or may not did, really honest, I just don't ...
remember ...  what?  did Nancy tell me to say this?  ... Nancy who?  

;->  
>
>	Supprise?  This is what the Salt Lake Tribune reported.
>
>
>JLi


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ezez@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (009)
Subject: test
Keywords: test
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:50:55 GMT

Lines:10

It is a test!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34391 soc.culture.taiwan:16934
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: PARTRIOTS FOR TAIWAN
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:10:45 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson
Originator: raymond@jupiter

Some more weapons for Taiwan: according to Aviation Week &ST, Jan 4,
Raytheon is in direct negotiation with Taiwan for the sale of about
$1.2-billion worth of Patriot fire units and missiles.

That much money probably comes to about a dozen fire units and
700 or 800 missiles. The missiles will be Pac-2, improved in
range and altitude over the Desert Storm ones.


-- 
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"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
From: bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Toycott Update 1/4/93
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:36:25 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <C0Cv3M.9IM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> lzheng@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (lian zheng) writes:
>
>I was trying to say that the people in Toycot are really doing harm 
>to China, knowingly or not.  
>
>Lian Zheng, at IU.

Certainly they know, they will be most happy if most Chinese couldn't 
get enough food and starved to death.
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Help Wanted on Chinese Computing
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:21:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1ii18tINNp5n@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> liud@hobo.ECE.ORST.EDU (Don Liu) writes:
>am right, the GB code is the one I really needed. Now my question is,
>how do I get a table for the GB code? i.e., given a Chinese Char,
>whats the GB.

My program C source gb2text.c was put somewhere in ifcss.org by Wang
xiaofei.  If you can locate the program, you can fingure out the coding
easily.

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From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:  Re: Guangxi massscre (Re: Cannib
Date: 9 Jan 1993 01:29:42 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1993Jan8.153350.4234@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:
>	In article "re: Guangx1 massacre" posted by Steven, he listed the
>numbers compiled from different newspapers of people killed by the CCP.  

Read carefully! I did not post it! It was posted on the net on June 4, 1989.
That article has pretty followed the rule of publication: references, quotations,
date, names, sources,......, plus the author name, school, and article number.

Check the quoted source carefully. As I heard from someone's speech at Stanford
that seemed to match or close to the number. It is not mathematically accurate.
While in the speech, one Chinese (old) argued that it seemed to be less than
.1 billion, around 80 million is more close. 

The most important point is: why Chinese people allowed all the killing
happened, and why so many people still support this killer party after 6/4,
a live show on world TV.

If CCP supporters still have doubt, why all of the events happened in short
40 years after the CCP took China?
From: ck883@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Zheng Cung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Yan Xing and Qi Gong, Is It Science?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:11:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


AS I knew for the experiment which was carried out in QinHua, it didn't 
get any evidence to prove QinGong and Yan xing.

About 5 years ago, Dept. of Biotech(I don't know its English name) cooperated wid
with Yan Xing to conduct an experiment. Yan give his QinGong in GuangZhe to 
change the molecular structure of a solution which was in a beaker in 
QinHua university, the result is a mixture of positive and negitive(or random)
result. But Yan published positive results without permission of Department,
(as science experiment, mixture result prove nothing)also news conference, 
People's Dairy and someother famous paper put news on first page.The scienist
who cooperated with Yan was so angry and broken the cooperation. But the news
was never corrected.This story was told by that scienist to me when I met him
in American.

I can't say what Yan Xing said are all wrong, but what he can change molecular
structure is just a big lie.

Yan also has many follower in USA, who are born in USA, believe there is 
mystery force in ancient china. Some just has uncure disease, they just
want find every methods and to use it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: guohsu@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Allen G.C. Hsu)
Subject: Re: Link bet'n math skill and linguistic characteristics
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 23:45:07 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

In article <1993Jan4.165219.13862@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
>
>This is from CND:
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>4. Newsfeature: Study Says Math Easier in Chinese ....................... 78
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>COLUMBIA, Mo. U.S.A. -- Little Johnny can't add as quickly as students in
>China because his language has more tongue-tying arithmetic words, a new
>study suggests.
> 
>And even the slight difference between the pronunciation of the Chinese word
>"yi" and its English translation "one" contributes to a math gap that the
>study says puts China's elementary school students ahead of those in the
>United States.
> 
>The study, believed to be the first linking language and math skills, was
>part of a three-year collaboration by researchers at the University of Mis-
>souri in Columbia and China's national Institute for Educational Science in
>Beijing. They've been observing groups of kindergartners and first graders
>in each country.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Well, as chinese, I guess we'd feel flattered by such researches. However,
>I have some problems with their approach. I don't doubt that there are
>certain facts such as average number of repeated digits or numbers of solved
>problems etc., but the interpretation of these statistics seems to be pretty
>simpler lingustic characteristic of a language gives one an edge in math

(deleted)
>
>Steven
  
  I wonder why don't they conduct their research for the Chinese who were
  born in the US and use English as their first language? I know that many
  of them have high performance in school, where there is no language
  "advantage" for them. There may be some other reasons.


Guo-Ching Hsu    -- guohsu@cs.uregina.ca 
            ----------------------------------
                     DUM VIVIMUS VIVAMUS
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From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Help Wanted on Chinese Computing
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:31:25 GMT
Organization: UB

/* liud@hobo.ECE.ORST.EDU (Don Liu) wrote */:
* Hi Chinese Computerists,
* 
* In compiling an application, I found I am in need of a standard way
* (and without ambiguity) to index to the Chinese characters. If I
* am right, the GB code is the one I really needed. Now my question is,
* how do I get a table for the GB code? i.e., given a Chinese Char,
* whats the GB.
* 

GB table is available from ifcss.org:/software/data
the filename is guobiao-table.gb 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu)
Subject: Re: Toycott Update 1/4/93
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:33:29 GMT

Fuck democraZy! You toys!
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Toycott Update 1/4/93
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:49:45 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>I was trying to say that the people in Toycot are really doing harm 
>to China, knowingly or not.  

They really don't care since they are organized by American work union
group (AIC? or something I don't remmeber from their last year's
posting).

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: More Toycott
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:50:27 EST


Relative to the toycott notion is this:

About 4 years ago, I met a man who was a tympanist in the HK philharmonic.  He
had fallen victim to an unfortunate incident where he was practicing his
tympany in an otherwise empty building where fumigators were dispersing a
highly concentrated (25 times recommended), highly toxic chemical throughout
the building.  He didn't realize this was going on, nor did they realize he
was in the building.  Only after he began bleeding from the ears, eyes, nose
and mouth did he become aware that he was being poisoned to death.  He ran out
of the building, but it was too late to save him from permanent brain damage
which is expected to affect his playing.  

Anyway, after telling me of his story and of the lack of cooperation from HK
officials in dealing with his expenses (he felt the incident indicated
negligence on the part of the fumigators), he went on to tell me that I should
never buy toys produced in Hong Kong.

He told me that he had seen children making Christmas decorations, strapped
into chairs and forced to work in miserable conditions.

         ****I DO NOT KNOW WHETHER HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH****

I put this disclaimer in headlines because when I raised his claim on a
different news service, I was accused of racism just for having recited what I
had heard.  

I bring this up (again) in this forum because I would sincerely appreciate any
confirmation or denial that the possibility of child labor abuse in HK occurs.

Does anyone out there know anything about this?  Will anyone say if they know?

My feeling is that his claim is plausible, especially considering HK's
abundance of foreign children from countries like Vietnam.  And of course some
people might claim that the housing in which refugees live currently is no
better than cages anyway (these I have seen in news reports).

All information will be appreciated.  
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From: jchang@goofy.asc.slb.com (Jeff Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Guangxi massacre (Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi... )
Date: 11 Jan 1993 22:07:33 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger Austin Systems Center
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: goofy.asc.slb.com
Keywords: The CCP blood debts increased

In article <C0KDpG.4x6@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:

|> 
|> Bullshit, what makes you think you can teach others, my statement is
|> that 'China-bashing will do harm to the reform', I still stand by it.
|> 
|> Ze Yang

First of all, please be prudent when choosing words to use in public. 

Second, I did not intend to teach others in my post but to express my 
personal opinions. I beg your pardon if it is so read and felt by you
or others. 

Third, it's natural and perfectly okay for you to stand by your statement 
and I did not intend to change your mind. I'll be surprised if you did. 
It's a public forum, people throw in opinions from different perspectives.

Fourth, the original post simply stated numbers of people got killed in 
various events happened in China since 1949. Those numbers may not be 
reliable or actual, but the events did happened and many people did get 
killed as can not be denied. This is not China-bashing but tragedies to 
China and Chinese people. If one doesn't get criticized for mistakes 
made in the past, how can one to improve and become better in the future?

The last but not the least, 6.4. TAM event hurted the reform more than all 
the China-bashing you can find in the western media combined. Rather than 
stopping others from bashing China, why not accept the criticisms and 
prevent another TAM event from happening? Isn't it a more positive and constructive attitude? 

Jeff Chang


 





 



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From: wang@harvey.lrs.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Wang)
Subject: This is a test from T.Q.
Organization: LRS
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:53:07 GMT


Mei Name ist Tu Qiang. Ich moechte aut dieses News-Grouppe etwas schreiben.
From: chen@naspac.tc.faa.gov (John Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Stamps
Date: 12 Jan 1993 22:09:51 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.faa.gov
Summary: America stamps for chinese zodiac "Cook".
Keywords: stamps

At the beginning of 93 New Year. American Post Office issued a New stamp
which is a Cook with 2 chinese words. Lots of chinese bought hundreds and
hundreds because alleged could be selling in backhome in high price. Is 
ture? What is the price in china right now????? for this very common stamp.
From: wub@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bin Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Information On Chinese Radio Station
Date: 8 Jan 1993 03:35:17 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: wub@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bin Wu)
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-06.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if somebody could post some information about Chinese SW  
Radio stations (Frequencies and air time) that can be received in north  
American.

Thanks in advance.

wub@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Da Bulls, Go White Sox, Cubs win, Cubs win.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hefa@ERE.UMontreal.CA (He Fangliang)
Subject: Looking for Jiang Hui
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:43:45 GMT

Hello, I am looking for a friend, Mr. Jiang Hui. He has been
studying at Universite de Montreal for nueroscience. I would like
to coonect with him. If anyone who knows him please forward this
message to him.
Thanks.
Nicholas
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:  Re: Guangxi massscre
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:06:23 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <5d820aff.1b2f0@digital.sps.mot.com> chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen) writes:
>>The most important point is: why Chinese people allowed all the killing
>>happened, and why so many people still support this killer party after 6/4,
>>a live show on world TV.
>
>case of CCP, Mao is the bad emperor and Deng is the good one.  In the last
>
This is hard to explain the fact why a bad emperor is still rewarded as a
god at TAM, and thousands of people line up daily just to see the dead man.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: China refused to sign ultimatum (Re: UN resolution)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na  
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:31:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.183130.11156@newsgate.sps.mot.com> dwong@chopsuey.pico writes:
>In article 21912@Princeton.EDU, afriend@dew.Princeton.EDU (A. Friend) writes:
>>
>>No. There is no UN resolution on No Fly Zone. But U.S. believes it is in
>>the spirit of other UN resolutions.
>>
>>Friday on CNBC Donahue show, the other anchor (looks like the one from
>>CSPAN) talked at the beginning of the program that there is no media
>>mentioning why only 4 permanent members signed the ultimatum. According
>>to him, China refused to sign the ultimatum on the Surface to Air 
>>missiles in the NFZ, and replied where to put those missiles in
>>Iraq's land is Iraq's own business, as long as they don't use them against
>>the U.N. forces. 
>>
>
>How can you make sure that if you don't limit where they can put their missiles!?
should the US launch an pre-empitive assault on Russia, Ukraine, China, ...
not since they all still have thoudsands of missiles with multiple
thermalnuclear warheards on their *own* soil targeting US cities, and
military bases?   

Iraq puts its missiles on their *own* soil, granted the cease-fire
agreement said something about flying fixed-wing aircrafts, but it
didn't say anything about where Mr Hussien can or cannot put his 
missiles, i see no basis of the "move your missile or else ultimatum".
if they move for an UN resolution, i really doubt India & others
non-veto powers would vote for it, if one country vote against it
a whole bunch might follow, even china abstain to get the bill passed
it will be a very very weak resolution.   

Our dear Saddam is not exactly a loved person in & out of Iraq, and
he knows the consequences of firing a SAM against an American aircraft,
i say let'im do it, i doubt he would really *fire* a missile.  

[......] 

>>
>
>Time has changed!  I wouldn't disagree with US being the leader and money provider
>of UN.  Someone has to take charge but not everyone has to agree with the leader,
>right?  Have you seen any US forces in former Yugoslavia yet?  IS UN=US?
>
>

US is not interested in xYugoslavia, that's why UN is totally ineffective
over there, and constantly being stepped all over by various militias.

the US was pissed off by Iraq on the Kuwait thing, and UN was totally
effective on that matter, before you know it Iraq got its butt kicked
real hard.  

so without the US motivation, UN is just an empty shell.  

>dw.
>
>
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhou@ifi.unizh.ch (Hongbo Zhou)
Subject: the fuzzy controller guy
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 14:33:33 GMT


I read once in CND-news that there is a guy in California who
succeeded in running a firm that builds fuzzy contorllers. This
guy seems come from Beijing Normal University originally.

A friend of mine in Beijing wants to contact him. If anyone of 
you in the net knows his address. I would very much appreciate
to hear from you.

Thanks a lot in advance. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wshi@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Weiping Shi)
Subject: Re: Another fun problem (SOLUTION)
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 06:26:59 GMT

In <1993Jan4.023037.7729@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au> yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (Daniel Yuen) writes:

>  Can you pick a bad ball among 13 balls *and* identify if it is heavier 
>  or lighter in 3 weighings ?  If not, can you *prove* that it can't be 
>  done?

>My solution says that it can't be done.  However, I received an e-mail
>indicating that this problem has been solved and that it has been shown
>(or *proved*) that it could be done.  If so, I'd love to see someone post
>a 'counter-solution' or send me an e-mail.

The solution can be found in "Combinatorial Algorithms",
by E. Reingold, Nievergelt and Deo.

>Here goes my solution :

>7.  However, for the first weighing, we could not have P(LH)=P(LL)=P(BE)=1/3.
>    The best we could do is to have 4 balls on each side of the balance, in
>    which case P(LH)=P(LL)=4/13 and P(BE)=5/13.  Thus, maximum probability
>    is P(BE) and information deduced from this weighing is only
>    log2(13/5) = 1.379 bits

The proof here is wrong.  The information you can get here is
$$
	\sum_{i=1}^3 - p_i \log_2 p_i
$$
This is the definition of entropy, and since you can reduce
this much entropy, by definition, you gain this much information.
Put the numbers in, you'll have

	- ( 4/13 log2(4/13) + 4/13 log2(4/13) + 5/13 log2(5/13))

Sorry, I don't have a calculator here.  But I believe this number
should be large enough to make your proof not working.

By the way, if you have n equally likely cases,
then the entropy is log2(n), which is a special case of
the above general formula.