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From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Need info on tape drives
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 23:54:17 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

In article <1992Dec19.002019.12176@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
dcantrel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel T Cantrell) writes:

|  [...]
|  I am looking specifically at the Archive 2150S Viper QIC 150MB external
|  that supposedly has a peak read rate of 1.2 MB/sec.  
|  [...]

Nope, the 2150S is spec'd at 5Mbyte/minute (for 150MB in approx. 30 minutes).

DAT 4mm drives are "generally" spec'd at 10Mbyte/minute, and Exabyte EXB-8200
8mm drives are spec'd at 15Mbyte/minute.

The data transfer rate from the drive's buffers may, in fact, be even as high
as 5Mbyte/second, but the buffer is exhausted nearly instantaneously!  :-)

Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com ]
From: sdk@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Steven "Scrib" Kuck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: AGA capabilities - INFO PLEASE
Date: 19 Dec 92 06:04:57 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Blah!  I'm not sure math.ufl.edu is posting to world - so if you see a post
from sdk@math [as opposed to sdk@reef] let me know in mail, please?

Anyway, on to the question:
	Which modes can the AGA display without interlacing?  Does the monitor
make a difference [of course it does, but can you define the differences, the
necessary scanning rates, etc.]?
	Especially - can it display 800x600 non-interlaced?  If it can, I'll
be happy - even if I need a multisync.  I have read articles that mention how
many pixels it can put on the screen, with no mention of interlacing.  Thanks!
From: rross@axelon.UUCP (Raymond Ross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1200
Date: 8 Dec 92 17:43:02 PST
Organization: Superboard Two BBS

  The argument over which machine has better graphics-- the A1200 VS. a spruced
up Clone (don't even say IBM, I don't now anyone who even has a real IBM) is
incomparible.  I use both platforms and have to say that the Amiga outperforms
the CLONE in graphics capabilities several times over.  Windows is a
memory-hungry slob compared to Inuition and all the products I've seen for it
are limited to public-screens which makes everything terribly slow.

  The point is, the person harping about all that neat over-the-counter Clone
junkie add-on-attempts is wasting his/her money because unless it's going on a
local bus there's no way in Hell that it can compete with the local-bus speed
of an Amiga's graphics system no matter how many pixels you can write to the
screen.  Clones are for people who want to run business applications and buy
add-on cards.  Amiga's are for people who have warm hearts and a desire to
create with a personal computer.

  I was at Comdex and I saw all the Clone stuff-- there was a great deal of it,
but you know it's like a big goulash or something.  There's too many companies
out there trying to do the same thing and the end-user suffers for it.  The
only companies that offer the kind of support everybody should have are
Commodore Business Machines, IBM, and Apple Computer.  If you have a Clone,
then your cut out-- all you get is a wacky attempt by a foreign company to
produce a operators manual and for most people that isn't enough.
From: kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: PCMCIA Ethernet, does it exist?
Date: 19 Dec 1992 23:04:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


Well, does it? And if so, where can I get TCP/IP to run the thing?

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Organization: Ege University - Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 16:13:31 TUR
From: <OPRJ50@TREARN.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Serious questions about A1200



Hi, here are my questions about the new Amiga 1200.
The "NO" answers will be equal to "not buy an A1200" !

  1. Could I use my SCSI controller/disk/memory for it ?
     (GVP HD8+,120 Maxtor)

  2. Could I use my emulator hw/sw on it ?
     (ATonce +)

  3. Could I use my old graphics/midi/digitizer hw/sw on it ?
     (Digiview,Digipaint,Deluxepaint etc.)

Cem Turgay  OPRJ50@TREARN

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: verheyde@fraser.sfu.ca (Neall Jason Verheyde)
Subject: Re: AGA artifacts, shimmer
Keywords: AGA
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:59:41 GMT

gsarff@wicat.com (Gary Sarff) writes:

>I also see vertical lines regularly spaced across the screen, and I also
>have a 1960 monitor.  Has anyone from commodore responded to any messages 

I've seen vertical lines before, it was on an early demo A600 that I
borrowed from a dealer.  The vertical lines only appeared when running
4 colour productivity mode.  The A600 was hooked up to an early C1950
monitor.  The computer also had a noticable "shimmer" in the NTSC
modes.  For some reason, the shimmer completely vanished when a PAL
screen was opened.  Last week I had a chance to play around with a
dealer's A4000 hooked up to a new model C1960 monitor.  Some of the
modes had the vertical lines in them, but of the 7 or 8 modes I tried,
none of them shimmered like the A600.  Lines or no, the display was
great!  It looks like the dark lines can appear on ECS machines as
well as AGA machines. 

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Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada
Internet:  verheyde@sfu.ca
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From: soft-logik@cup.portal.com (Kevin W Davidson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Color Toner refills for HP IIIP wanted
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:59:12 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I'm looking for a company that refills toner cartridges for the HP
LaserJet IIIP with color toner.

Please e-mail. Kevin_W_Davidson@cup.portal.com

Thanks, Kevin.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: sking@tyranosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (scott a king)
Subject: Hard disks queries for HD gurus!
Keywords: Harddisks, SCSI, IDE.
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:47:58 GMT

Hey netters.  Most specifically hard disk gurus.

I'm tired of my 40M and I'm getting a bigger disk for Xmas.  I want some input
from the vast knowlege thats out there in netland.  I have a 2000 with a 
GVP board that has the IDE interface and I have a NEXUS that is a SCSI
controller so I can go either way.  IDE makes sense so when I hit the ohio 
lottery I can get a 1.2 gig drive for my amiga and put the IDE in my AT (yes
I have one.  Great for checking - quicken).  Anyway I'm looking to get a 200M
drive and am debating on the following choices.

Maxtor 7213A (IDE)
Conner Cpp30204F  (IDE)
Western Digital  WDAC2200 (IDE)
Western Digital  CAV2200  (IDE)

The SCSI are generally running $100 dollars more than the IDEs and these are
generally the cheaper faster drives.  The western digital are generally the
cheapest.

1.  Anyone have any experience with any of these drives or any other comparable
    drives.

2.  Any experience with these brands.

I expect that there are many others out there that would also like this 
information so I will post a summary of all replies.  If you have info that
you're dying to share do so, if not save bandwidth and email me and I'll post.

You're help is appreciated greatly.

Scott King
sking@cis.ohio-state.edu



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: djmccoy@netcom.com (Daniel J. McCoy)
Subject: Re: 3-Button Mouse Questions
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:41:19 GMT

In additon to the Boing mouse and Golden Image optical mouse, I saw a 
third from AlfaData that has three buttons as well at a local Amiga
dealer.  It also comes with an optical mouse mat and claims to be 300dpi.  
The price tag was about $30 - $40 more than opto-mechanical types.  It looked
ergonomcally designed.  I didn't try it though to compare it to my Boing
mouse.

-- 
Daniel J. McCoy
Internet : djmccoy@netcom.COM or Daniel_J_McCoy@cup.portal.com
Is it me or does one always have to pump money into one's hobbies?
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 1084 adapter?
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:42:21 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1ggsjbINNh5b@life.ai.mit.edu> dynastar@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jason Miller) writes:
>
>I need an adapter for an IBM standard VGA port to the Commodore 1084S monitor.

DO NOT DO THIS! A VGA card uses scan frequencies that a 1084 cannot handle.
You risk to fra your monitor! - So, where do I know, you perhaps ask: Well,
we tried it. Result was a picture that was only one fourth of the whole
area and got smaller all the time. When it began to generate funny noises
like sparkling, we stopped this experiment...

>If there is a way to get VGA->1084S or VGA->RCA without any major PC
>board setup, mail me info if you have it. Thanx

No way.

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From: tblanchot@vnet.ibm.com (Thierry BLANCHOT)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 11:40:31 FWT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1200 external drive
Reply-To: tblanchot@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views only|
News-Software: Usenet 3.0

I use an external ROCTEC drive on the 1200, without any problem.
The price was higher than the PC880E (B), but overall quality seemed
better.
James, the mail I tried to send to you at cs_e365@ceres bounced back,
can you send me a note off-line?

**********************************************************************
*    Thierry BLANCHOT  tblanchot@vnet.ibm.com   A1200                *
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: IBM RS-232--->Amiga Mouse
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:36:03 GMT

In article <15DEC199221233555@venus.tamu.edu> tww2568@venus.tamu.edu (WEEKS, THOMAS WILLIAM) writes:
>Does anyone have a schematic for an RS-232 Mouse-->Amiga bus Mouse conversion
>board?   Post here or even better.. send e-mail...

  I'm sure this isnt what you wanted to hear, but look for a file called
mousehack.txt on the amiga ftp sites.  It explains how to cut up a 
Microsoft serial mouse for use on an Amiga.

>Thomas Weeks

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From: ahansfor@bigwpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1200 - 68020EC ??
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:42:23
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: walterb@sequoia.cray.com's message of 11 Dec 92 09:30:03 CST

>>>>> On 11 Dec 92 09:30:03 CST, walterb@sequoia.cray.com (Walter Boese Jr.) said:


walterb> What does the 'EC' in 68020 mean foe the Amiga A1200. 

Like other have said "Embedded Controller"

walterb> How can you economize (sp) a chip that is pretty basic to begin
walterb> with?  What great features can you remove?

The 020 is basic in that it does not have other functional units on
chip (ie. PMMU, FPU).  Therefore the cost reduction is done a lot in
the packaging.  First reduce pin count. The following pins are on the
020 but not the EC020:

A24-A31 - Address lines
/OCS - indicates the first external bus cycle for an instruction fetch
    or data operand transfer.
/ECS - indicates the beginning of any type of bus cycle
/DBEN - enable signal for external data buffers
/IPEN - indicates an interrupt has been recognized that exceeds the
internal mask priority
/BGACK - Bus grant Acknowledge

So that's 12 signal pins not on the EC020.  The PGA package of the 020
has 114 line and the QFP has 132 lines.  The EC020 has 103 lines on
the PGA package and 100 on the QFP package.  Also the EC020 comes only
in plastic packages.

walterb>  And if they did
walterb> remove something, WHY?  The 68020 is getting outdated
walterb> already, why degrade more than its age already has?

To provide the same computing power at a cheaper price. The main
sacrifice is address space. The EC020 can only address 16 megatbytes of
memory.  In the Amiga 1200 that is 2MB for chip RAM, 8 MB for fast RAM
(OR 4MB for PCMCIA device and 4 MB Fast RAM), and the rest is mapped
to the ROM, hardware.

BTW the ec020 and 020 are NOT pin compatible.

-- Andrew Hansford
From: hhoff@blefusco.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Helmut Hoffmann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Help needed with SyQuest SQ555 removable media HD
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:39:11 GMT
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik - RWTH Aachen
NNTP-Posting-Host: blefusco.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

wille@egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Wille) writes:

>I'm trying to help a friend get a removable media HD running on his
>A3000 (WB 2.04).  The name of the drive on the faceplate is Rhaman
>(or something close to that) but he says its a SyQuest inside.

>I plugged it into the external SCSI port and powered it up with a
>cartridge inside, booted the 3000 and ran HDtoolbox.  With HD
>toolbox I changed the drivetype to the values that it read from
>the drive (it reported that it was a SyQuest 42 MB drive, which
>is what I expected).  Then I did a low-level format, and partitioned
>it as single partition.

>Upon leaving HDtoolbox, the icon for the drive appeared as SHD0:RRRR,
Well, did you Reset the Computer after leaving HDToolBox (it normally should
be reset after saving the changes to the drive). If so, did you High-level-format
the drive (for every partition) (format drive SHD0: name xxx ffs)?
>and it refused to open.  So, I got SCSI mounter from FF537 (or somewhere
>near there) and mounted it, at which point the icon became SHD0:BUSY.

>So, now I'm stuck.  Can someone give me some insight into how to get
>this thing going?  I'd appreciate it. 

>	-Jeff
hhoff.
From: sjk@ut-emx.uucp (Phil Alvin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: SetCPU
Keywords: 3000T-040
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:59:39 GMT
Organization: Fred's Lounge


I just tried running setcpu v1.6 on my 3000T-040 only to have it
crash on me.  Is there a version that will work on this machine (I
am currently runing 2.0.5 and will be getting 2.1 soon)?  If so,
where can I find it?
Thanks,
scot
sjk@emx.cc.utexas.edu
sjk@astro.as.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.introduction
From: romartin@dante.nmsu.edu (MARTINEZ)
Subject: Need CATS address please!
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:00:08 GMT

Hello folks. I would like to have the address to the Commordore Technical
Support group (CATS). Could some one please email it, or post it here.
                                  Thanks   romartin@NMSU.Edu
From: spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: PhotoCD
Date: 19 Dec 92 04:55:15 GMT
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <15152@hq.hq.af.mil> snolan@marge.hq.af.mil writes:
>In article <Bz49nn.3pw@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>|> >>Does anyone know what it requires to be Kodak Photo CD compadiable?  Is it in
>|> >>the CD-ROM hardware or is it just a matter of a software driver to access
>|> >>the new file format?
>|> >
>|> >A CD-ROM that handles ISO-9660, the right software, and a license from Kodak!
>|> 
>|>    A CD-ROM drive that can handle multisession discs would also be nice.  If
>|> you later turn your discs in to have additional pictures put on them, it would
>|> be nice to be able to see the pictures.
>|> 
>Gee, Marc, could you tell us just what this "multi-session" disc
>format is?  Do you even know?

Marc's right. A multi-session CD-ROM is nice for PhotoCD, though it is not a
necessity. Multi-session lets you take a half-full CD back to the processors,
and have more images appended on to those already on the disk. But unless your
CD-ROM is capable of reading the appended data, then you will never be able to
access it.

>Scott Nolan
>snolan@marge.hq.af.mil
>==============================================================
>
>Even if you are on the right path,
>If you just sit there you will get run over.
>
>			- will rodgers


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From: Zapper@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Zapper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 35ns, and screen modes ?
Distribution: world
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:50:54 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

In a message dated Thu 16 Dec 92  9:05, 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (martin Bl
wrote:

 B> I have heard that the new aga chips do have a 35ns pixel clock.
 B> And as it has been explained to me you use this formula
 B> (1/pixel clock ns)*(1/pixels on screen)=fps or hz

 B> you have:
 B>     1          1        1   
 B> -------   *  -----  *  ---  =  59.5 fps
 B>  35 ns        800      600

 B> So isn't it concievable to have atleast a 50hz noninterlace 800x600 
 B> screen?

 B> What part of this equation am I missing?

  Your equation would be true if the AGA chips were generating pixels on a
100% duty cycle...

  But there is a lot of "down time" while the beam is reset, during the
HBLANK and especially VBLANK...

  So even though during one 1/59.5 of a second AGA can process enough
pixels for an 800x600 screen, it's limited to being "productive" during
discrete portions of the screen refresh...

  And it's during these times that the 35ns pixel clock is the stopper...


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From: jh@cadre.com (Joe Hartley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Length of SCSI-connection
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:00:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: fripp.1992Dec14.200049.24723
Reply-To: jh@cadre.com
Organization: Cadre Technologies, Inc.

In article 23314@sbsvax.cs.uni-sb.de, kroener@cs.uni-sb.de (Thomas Kroener) writes:
>Hi freaks,
>Does the length of the cable from a scsi host to a harddisk has any
>influence on the performance of the disk ?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>                  ---Thomas


The total length of the SCSI chain should not exceed 6 meters.  In reality,
I've found a number of SCSI interfaces that preform erratically due to
cable length less than half of that.  The moral: keep those SCSI cables as
short as possible!

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From: Zapper@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Zapper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A2000 keyboard and A500
Distribution: world
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:58:38 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

In a message dated Thu 16 Dec 92  9:05, Wally@ukcc.uky.edu wrote:

>> > Is the A2000 keyboard compatible with the A500 ? I'm thinking of
>> > putting my A500 in a PC case and using a 2000 keyboard (if possible).

>Well, you might mention that the "3-finger" reset will no longer
>work if you do this - you'll either have to rig up a separate
>reset button or a little circuit to emulate the A2000 reset
>circuit which detects a long "low" period on the keyboard clock
>line.

 W> How would this be done?  A simple momentary switch to the lines that
 W> are currently used for reset, or something a bit more complicated?

  The only electrical difference between the a2000 keyboard and the a500
keyboard is the timing circuit that holds the reset low. You'll notice in
the 500 keyboard and the 2000 keyboard, right above the numeric keypad
there is a transistor pad... (a triangle of solder pads)...

  Only one of the models has the xsistor installed (not sure which, I'm 80%
sure the 500 keyboard is the one that HAS it, I should know, I used mine
without a keycase for months....).

  I've never actually performed the mod, but I am told you can convert one
keyboard electrically to the other by replacing or removing the transistor.

  It would make sense to me if C= manufactured only one keyboard and used
it for all models.

  The 500 keyboard connector has the luxury of one extra line, so the reset
could be made into a discrete line. I would assume that the transistor in
the keyboard drives that line as needed to signal a reset. On the 2000, the
signal had to be multiplexed onto another line to fit a DIN keyboard cable.
So they simply hold off the keyclock for a time, and this is detected on
the 2000 motherboard which triggers the reset...

  (And the grand colossal finish to this message)...

   I think..... ;>

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From: ccocstt@prism.gatech.EDU (Dr.Love)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: What is the NEWEST GVP Faaast ROM revision??
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:51:54 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Anyone know what the NEWEST GVP Faaast ROM revision is for its 
Series-II cards????

And about how much is it to upgrade to them (from ~3.3)??

Which revisions are compatible with 2.0? 2.1? 3.0??

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