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From: brewster@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Re: Where are the enlisted personal?
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:46:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.162648.42715@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, ckt0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHARLES KEITH TESSLER) writes:
> It seems to me that Starfeet has a lot of Officers and no enlisted personel.
> I can rember only two one is Chief O'brian (Chiefs are to the navy what
> sargent's are to the army) a other was a one show charter named chewmen tarces
> in the epsoed about a possable conspery on the enterprize. If a Lutent  (Warf)
> is incaharg of securty that meas that all other security personal are suposed to
> be Ensions or enlisted persionel. That dosn't leave mutch of a chain of
> command?
>  
> -- 
> 
>                                   Keith Tessler
>                                   Id: CKT0@LEHIGH.EDU
>                                   Tel # (215) 758-1364
Unfortunantly we can not considerer Chief O'Brian as an enlisted member.  A
chief is not like an army sargent at all.  Chief are actually commissioned
officers by decree of the U.S. Congress.  A chief tends to be technical in
nature.  The U.S. Army also has many Chiefs.  The Air Force doesn't though. 
All you wanted to know about Chiefs.

There was an enlisted member in Drumhead.  Remeber he was tried for being one
quarter Romulan, etc.  That is the only one I can remember.
From: galsci!cmckeithan
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi Survey - Results
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:28:54 EST
Reply-To: iccdev!galsci!cmckeithan
Organization: Galaxy Scientific Corp.

cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:

>> liked the communication between Lwaxana and Troi, but no one mentioned that
>>that communication isn't really empathy, but really telepathy.  And if she h
>>telepathy, why isn't used more?
>
> To my understanding, Betaziods are natural telepaths. Troi however, is onlyt
> half Betaziod and therefore only empathic, not telepathic. This means of
> course that Lwaxana is inicating the telepathic link. Now, is necessary that
> the other memeber of the link is at least empathic? If not then Lwaxana shoul
> be able to communicate with anyone.

That depends on what you make of the Very First Episode, Encounter at
Farpoint, where everyone's favorite two characters, Troi and Riker,
communicated telepathically.  As I recall, she said something like, "Imzadi,
do you remember what I taught you ..."  If anyone remembers more about this,
feel free to speak up and correct me (like the invitation is needed :-)

Clifford M. Mckeithan Jr              emory!iccdev!galsci!cmckeithan
Galaxy Scientific Corp.               High Quality Engineering
Opinions expressed do not neccesarily reflect those of my employer.
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From: C14383@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Marie Cannizzaro)
Subject: Trek in other lands
Organization: Motorola
Date: 14 Dec 1992 13:06:39 CST


 In addition to the List of Lists category on trek abroad, I can
add that in Brazil they have both the old and new series. ST:TOS is
called "Jornada nas Estrellas: A Seria" (Star Journy: The Series) and
ST:TNG is "Jornada nas Estrellas: A Nova Geracao" (Star Journey: The
New Generation). Both are dubbed into Portuguese, with the same actors
doing the voices on both shows. So what if Mr. Spock and Cpt. Picard
sound alike!!  Also, there is a surprisingly active Trek club, reviewed
in a very popular magazine (Manchete) kind of like Newsweek, which
discussed their group's activities (they come out in full regalia for
the launching of a new ST book in Portuguese). They also have regular
meetings and a newsletter. MC

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From: firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith)
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 00:33:03 GMT

In article <gp2001-151292181733@m248-106.bgsu.edu> gp2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Greg Pallenik) writes:
>This newsgroup is becomminh cluttered with discussion of Deep Space Nine. 
>I'm not complaining, but IMHO I think a separate group will be needed to
>keep things organized.  Does anyone else agree or disagree?


I agree.  I'm not usually one for group splitting, but doesn't 
rec.arts.startrek.current get more traffic than any other group except alt.sex
or something like that?  When DSN starts, it's going to be chaos!

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From: vener@stsci.edu (Patricia C. Vener-Saavedra)
Subject: Re: Where are they now? (was Re: 7th season ?)
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:24:40 GMT

>>have officers still working as helmsmen, communications officers,
>>etc. after 20 years.  By rank and experience, these people should
>>be commanding their own ships.
>
>Uh, I don't know if they all would have gone on to ship commands.
>
>Sulu would certainly go on.  Chekov was clearly in line for command
>of the Reliant.
>
>Realistically, I wonder where someone like Uhura or Montgomery Scott
>would be working.  Would all the crew be Statfleet "Lifers"?  I think
>even one or two of our favorites might gladly take the equivalent
>of a pension retirement at 40.... or whatever age Starfleet starts
>offering pensions.
>
>Some might be promoted to Starfleet Admiralty positions.  Perhaps
>Scott would be some kind of Hyman Rickover.  
>
>McCoy might run some Starfleet office of alien medicine.
>
>And Spock, despite his science background, clearly grew as a character
>into someone for whom diplomacy (a la daddy Sarek) was second nature.
>Viz. STVI and "Reunification".
>
>Anyone up for a round of speculation?
>
>-- 
Ok, speculation. I agree with regards to Sulu and Chekhov. Uhura, I
think would stay with Starfleet but perhaps in the role of an edu-
cator. Scotty has to stay connected to engineering, this is true
more than anything else. But would it have to be in Starfleet? H'mm
I agree that Spock has shown decidedly 'diplomatic' tendencies and
McCoy's destiny is most definitely in Starfleet. But I can't see
him running an office -- he'd go into research.

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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:50:41 GMT

In article <105248@bu.edu> kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes:
>I get the feeling the original poster was talking about a regular
>series with a female capt., not just a guest appearance. At the risk
>of starting something that may get ugly,  I think the original poster
>is correct, that American audiences aren't ready for strong female
>leads that are equivalents to Picard.  The TV stereotypes are still
>to strong to overcome even for an `enlightened' show like TNG.

	Interesting. Almost all of this has been leveled at series with black 
leads. Yet, we will have a Star Trek series with a black lead actor come
1993.....

	To a certain extent, there's some truth to this assertion. An original
show with a strong female lead will find it tough going, particularly without
strong, tight writing (though I'd say Mariel Hemmingway of CIVIL WARS is
making a go at it....). Women can more easily carry a show if it's a comedy,
where they can be buffoons and not a threat to male power; see for example,
the problems Hilary Clinton is having in real life.

	But if any show could break this barrier, it would be a Star Trek
show. I think the intrinsic appeal of Trek would far outweigh the weaker
anti-strong female prejudices that might be out there in America.
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From: zakons@halcyon.com (Scott Allan Zakon)
Subject: DS9
Summary: limited confirmation
Keywords: confirm, mutter
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:40:40 GMT

After several calls to KCPQ(Fox13) in Seattle/Tacoma that were answered
by an exceptionally bored secretary, I have only a confirmation that DS9
will start during the week of Jan 3-9.  No definite air times yet. I'll
keep pestering them until I get a real answer.
PS to Vidiot, have you any info for DS9 in the Baton Rouge area.  I have
a friend who is curious.  Thanx
Scott Allan Zakon             zakons@halcyon.com

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From: ereddy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Ed Reddy)
Subject: Re: The Borg
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:52:06 GMT

In article <aaronm.20.0@ccmail.orst.edu> aaronm@ccmail.orst.edu (Mithran Aaron) writes:
>Does anyone out there like the Borg?
>
>I personally find them to be a very interesting idea for a society.
>
>I also like them.

Ever since "I,Borg" was aired, I have been waiting to hear of the after
math from that episode...
 
Any insight?

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From: jaimiep@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Jaimie Polson)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:33:10 GMT

In <_lm21c+@rpi.edu> plutnj@aix.rpi.edu (James Matthew Plutnicki) writes:

>>
>>Well.....
>>How about the fact that Troi is a non-military crew member, whereas everone
>>else comes from the academy, and a military. Military people wear uniforms,
>>non -military don't have to.
>>
>However, she is an OFFICER and has been refered to in many instances as such
>(see Disaster for proof).  Therefore, she is as military as the next OFFICER 
>and should have to wear a uniform.  If she is a civilian then she should NOT
>have free access to the bridge.  Other civilians don't.  She should be in 
>uniform while she is on duty.  


I mentioned this to someone else, but what do others think?
I recall in that episode where the enterprise goes into another universe and
is at war with the Klingons and Tasha Yar is back and Worf is gone **and
Troi is gone**.
The enterprise was referred to as a war ship or military ship at war and there
were no civilian people on board. Which is why I think Troi is not military

(However Guinan is on  Board)??

Can anyone look at this on video and check the facts?

Jaimie Polson



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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Promos for: CHAIN OF COMMAND Pt.2 (#237) +DSN Promo DURING
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:43:37 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: na
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Dec14.204522.22109@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) writes:
<> As an additional note, the ST:Ds9 promo airs as a commercial DURING the 
<> episode, so it should be seen in most of the country.  So don't be as quick
<> with the pause button for this one (its about midway through the episode).
<
<Jeez! COC Pt. I hasen't even aired nationally yet and you guys are already
<talking about COC Pt. II.

The power of satellite receiving sites.
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From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILER
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:56:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec16.225608.18593
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <BzDGz9.1oA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>"Stealth Dave" writes
>> 	It's not POLITE to read other people's minds (that was 
>> mentioned in a few previous episodes, not sure which).
>
>It's fine for when she's counseling someone or determining how someone  
>feels; she doesn't ask them if it's okay to use her empathic power  
>first.  For instance, she didn't ask Jellico whether he minded her  
>determining that he wasn't sure of his actions, or when they encounter  
>some new beings, she just says "They feel _____".  She has used her  
>empathic power before in counseling, and I would think that's why she's  
>on the ship.
>
>> Besides, it doesn't help her patients if only _she_ knows the 
>> problem.  Her patients need to know too [...]
>
>Hmm...it sounds like you have a point to make, but I'm not sure what  
>point that is.  Anyhow, she is fully capable of determining how her  
>patients feel and then saying to them something akin to, "But you  
>really feel angry that your boss is putting such a huge workload on  
>you, don't you?".  In other words, she can speak to her patients to   
>determine and inform them how they really feel.
>-- 
>-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
>-- NeXTmail welcome

The point is that her patients must proactively accept their problems,
and not merely be *informed* of them by some empathic counselor.
Also, please remember that not all Starfleet counselors are empathics;
some are humans.  Thus, the civilian clothing may help the typical
Starfleet counselor better analyze his or her patients.  Troi follows
the custom out of habit and so forth.
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From: rbeck@mordordseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Re: Cardassians first appearance on STTNG?
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:25:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.160242.4466@wam.umd.edu>, myleslee@next02pg2.wam.umd.edu (Alan Brady Ward) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec15.183659.45665@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>  
|> baxter@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|> > Now that we are seeing more of the Cardassians, I must admit that I
|> > don't remember the first time they were introduced in STTNG.  
|> > 
|> > Can someone refresh my memory and tell me the episode that this was
|> > in so I can pull out the tape and see how they were introduced and
|> > depicted at that time.
|> > 
|> > Thanks.
|> > 
|> > 
|> > 
|> It was an episode involving a war between the Cardassians and some other  
|> race.  Maybe the big E was sent in to mediate the peace or something like  
|> that.
|> 
|> I can't tell you much more because I would only remember exact details if  
|> I saw the show again.
|> 
|> Al
The first time I remember *seeing* a Cardassian was the episode where
Picard had to stop another Starfleet captain from attacking Cardassian
ships.  O'Brien was the hero of the episode as he beamed himself over
to the other ship and stopped the captain (his old commander) from
destroying any more Cardassians. 

Then Picard gives Gomar Sett (sp?) a "we'll be watching" lecture.

However, I've seen the first episode of Chain of Command...  Can you
spell T R O U B L E?
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From: sichermn@csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman)
Subject: Re: How do you start a flame war?  Glad you asked ...
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:58:04 GMT

In article <Bz7E2G.FE@cs.dal.ca> falkenha@ug.cs.dal.ca (Craig R. Falkenham) writes:
>I only have a few weeks left on the net, so I'll post something that has
>nothing to do with anything ...
>
>
>The top ten things ways to start a flame war on rec.arts.startrek.current:
>
>10.  Say that you're not going to watch Star Trek ever again; give bogus
>     reasons why.
>
> 9.  Talk about ST:TNG's great unsung acting genius ... Marina Sirtis.
>
> 8.  Complain about when they show what's going on aboard the ship when
>     the real story is somewhere else (The Inner Light); also complain
>     when they give full focus to the real story off of the ship and
>     don't show the ship at all (`Captain Worf' in Time's Arrow II).
>
> 7.  Discuss the validity of Shatner's `get-a-life' argument on Saturday
>     Night Live.
>
> 6.  "TNG kicks TOS's proverbial ass!"
>
> 5.  Compare and contrast, in essay form, the Lwaxana Troi episodes.
>
> 4.  "The Ferrengi:  The definitive Star Trek villain."
>
> 3.  Talk about what a great fighter Worf is; try to site examples.
>
> 2.  Reveal that you asked the writers at the end of season 4:  "How about
>     some episodes with kids in them?"
>
> 1.  Gene who?
>

  How could you forget:

  1.1.  Richard Arnold ?



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From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: AIDS and Klingons
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:34:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec11.133458.18397
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <Bz0Ln9.HEG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jj6707@meibm31.cen.uiuc.edu (John E Jablonski) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.083609.16928@Virginia.EDU>, qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>|> 
>|> 	Two things about the Next Generation have been
>|> bothering me
>|>  (2) No episode dealing with AIDS.
>|> Well, why not have a story dealing with both:
>|> 
>|> 	The Enterprise finds a ship of old style Klingons with
>|> some new ones in hot pursuit trying to blow them away.
>|> Basically, the Enterprise has to convince the new Klingons not
>|> do this.  The source of the trouble is that, a few years after
>|> the original series, a deadly virus started to infect members
>|> of the old Klingons.  Although it was equally infectious to ALL
>|> Klingons, the new ones hunted them down until they were almost
>|> extinct.
>
>How about not!!!
>   Keep ST in the entertainment arena, and keep the damn politics out of it!
>Nothing ruins a good movie/show more that bringing politics into it!

Sorry, but I must disagree... I think the political threads keep the show
very intriguing *and* relevant to our lives back here in the "real world."
Remember, TOS had a lot of political commentary in it, much of it about
how we could build a better world...now, just why did TOS acquire so much
popularity of the past two decades, whereas other shows of that period
just withered away.... hmmm, it couldn't be that some of us *like* politics..
:)
This is not to say that there aren't som good non-political shows, such as
Darmok (though even this is political) or Inner Light.
Chris
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge A. Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:57:57 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec14.174847.26665@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:

>	Wanna bet?

Sure.

>	Ever hear of rising above your material?
>	Try WE SHALL ALWAYS HAVE PARIS, etc.
>	Actors frequently outshine their material, and Stewart has done
>this quite a bit. If he wants to leave, all the best to him....

Yeah, so, other than "We'll Always Have Paris", what else?  Give me some
examples.

As for WAHP, I guess I'll have to go back and watch it.  I saw that episode
once, about 1 1/2 years ago, and I found it, uh, uninspired.

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: A must to see  (hear)
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 10:59:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.171902.6926@gw.wmich.edu> x92paszek@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>Now, how is it, that the Enterprise houses over 1000, and not once have we seen
>a toilet?
>
>Picture this:
>Camera pulls away from an unmarked door.  As the camera stops when the full
>door is shown, you hear a futuristic-sounding flush.   Seconds later, Captain
>Peckard (sp?) comes out, fixing his uniform as he so often does. He looks
>around, and begins walking away.
>
>
>Maybe at that point Data passes the captain, says "excuse me', and walks in the
>bathroom himself.  A perplexed captain goes to the bridge.
>
>I think this kind of everyday life and comedy is lacking from TNG.   I want a
>toilet scene, and I want it now.

Ah yes, what a good idea. Take valuable air time, and waste it on... crap.


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From: nick@ludwig.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Nick Walker)
Subject: C-O-C II on KBHK San Francisco
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:37:49 GMT

Is there anybody out there who knows when (a) Chain of Command part II and  
(b) DSN are airing on KBHK? I'm heading off to Europe for two weeks and  
need to set my VCR.

Thanks.
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From: jwells@netcom.com (Court Jester)
Subject: Re: Lwaxana - Who plays her?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:39:11 GMT

smeyer@panix.com (Seth Meyer) writes:

>In article <92353.140742MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu> Colleen McGlone writes:
>>Please settle a bet - who plays Lwaxana Troi?
>>A friend claims this is Gene Roddenbury's wife ...  I claim
>>it is someone different.  Dinner is riding on this one!
>>Thank You!

>Well, Majel Barrett plays Lwaxana Troi.

>Then again, since Gene is dead, it would be Gene Roddenbury's widow.

And of course, we all know she does the Next Generation computer voice.
This is probably a FAQ, but wasn't she a regular in the Original Series
as well?

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