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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 10:06:31 EDT
From: Denise Wagner <DCW1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Sebring, Florida

I'm planning a trip tp Sebring, Florida at the beginning of May.  I would appre
ciate any information on sites to see, especially those regarding scenic sites,
 animals and nature.   Thanks.
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Insight Guides (was Re: edinburgh in may)
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:21:00 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

ian@spider.co.uk (Ian Heavens) wrote:

> I'm very impressed with the Insight Guides.  They combine excellent
> photography with an introduction to the culture lacking in the usually
> superficial approach of travel guides.  [...]
> Has anyone read others or has comments or criticisms of them?

I've used the Lisbon and Istanbul ones and skimmed the Edinburgh one (any
tourist guide that describes Niddrie gets my vote).  My copy of the
Istanbul one appeared to have been censored in the binding; the cover blurb
promises a chapter on (something like) "Sex in the City of the Sultans"
which isn't there.  And the page numbers don't quite add up at the point
where you'd expect it (at the end of the main section, just before the
reference material).  If anyone's seen the missing section, I'd like a copy
of it.  A minor nitpick: now that there's a fully detailed A-Z available
for Istanbul and the Asian shore, places could have been located better by
referring to it (the Kariye can be a bugger to find if your topographic
information has a resolution of half a mile).

The Lisbon one has a detailed map of the Alfama (or am I mixing it up with
the Rough Guide?) which is an extremely useful thing to carry around (or a
xerox if the whole book is too much weight).  There is such a map in
Lisbon, but it's ten feet wide and made of tiles and there's only one of
it.  No printed map available in Lisbon is much help in the Alfama - Lisbon
street maps are crap, given to placing perspective drawings of hotels right
over the bits you really need to look at and with all the small lanes
missing.  The Tourist Information office used to produce an excellent map a
few years ago, but in the new one information has given way to advertising.
Privatization at work, I suppose.  There's not much about sex in the city
of the Discoverers in the Lisbon Insight Guide, either.

These are minor flaws.  I'd agree with Ian that they're among the best
sources of travel information going if you want to understand how the
culture you're visiting ticks.

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From: libove@libove.det.dec.com (Jay Vassos-Libove)
Subject: Living in Atlanta?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Detroit Ultrix Resource Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:13:20 GMT

Sorry to post a more stationary kind of question to rec.travel :-)

I am considering the possibility of living in Atlanta, and would
like to hear from folks who do live there or have recently lived
there about housing possibilities.

My wife and I are in our mid 20s, have two cats, no kids, and
a middle income (in the 40s let's just call it), and would be
looking to rent, at least at first. If we move there, my job
would be in Alpharetta, which I think is a little north of the
city of Atlanta.

Any suggestions and information will be very welcome! Please email
directly to me, as I doubt that long-term housing information about
a particular city would be of much interest to rec.travel'ers :|
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From: kalantar@tele.nokia.fi (Mahmood Kalantar)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Easter in Berlin
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:27:34 GMT
Distribution: rec.travel
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications


I and my girlfriend will visit Berlin During Easter holiday (16-21.4.92).
We haven't been in Berlin before. I'd like to ask all you neetiers who
know Berlin about your experiences there.
Is it going to be closed during Easter?
What are places to see, good sights, restaurants, any interesting thing
to be done in Berlin.

Please e-mail me to the address below. I will make a summary and post it
to this newsgroup. Is there any newsgroup on Deutch net about travel?

We have not been able to get an accomodiation yet. People in Berlin Tourist
Office are saying that every where is fully booked (sounds like the right
place to be for Easter). They told us that we could go there when we arrive
then they would arrange "penssion" places for us.
Does anybody know of any cheap places to stay in a fully booked city ?

I appriciate any advices on "how to enjoy your time in Berlin".

Thanx in advance
Mahmood Kalantar
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From: splee@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Seng-Poh Lee, Speedy)
Subject: Players Club: Good deal?
Organization: Free Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:43:12 GMT

I'm planning a trip to Vegas in May, and am considering joining
Players Club just to get the two free nights and discounted
rooms. Is this for real and are there any hidden gotchas? I'm
not a regular visitor, so I'm wondering if the $125 will pay for
itself in just one trip.

I'd like to hear pros and cons from people who have experience with it.

Thanks.

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From: bilgic@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Murat Bilgic)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Request : Info about Atlantic Canada
Date: 17 Apr 92 07:19:17 GMT
Reply-To: bilgic@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Murat Bilgic)
Distribution: can
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Hi there,

My wife and I are planning a trip originating from Moncton around June 20th.
We are planning to visit nearby places in N.B., e.g. Alma, Fundy National
Park, then pass to P.E.I., and pass to N.S. to visit Cape Breton. We should
return to Moncton in 4-5 days.

I'm looking for information about the places to see, restaurants to eat,
hotels to stay, etc. We have all the books from respective provincial tourist
bureaus; but I'd like to hear about personal experiences.

If you send me email, and if there is enough to post I'll compile and post
them on the net. Thanks in advance.

Murat Bilgic
From: hahn@gigantor.nas.nasa.gov (Jonathan Hahn)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: AMEX and cashing checks overseas
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:49:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: nas.1992Apr16.014938.20024
Reply-To: hahn@gigantor.nas.nasa.gov (Jonathan Hahn)
Organization: NASA-Ames Research Center

I just returned from Australia and was surprised to find that banks (at
least the two I checked) charged $10 (australian) to cash an AMEX
traveller's check.  They said they'd cash Visa checks for free, and
that the other major bank would cash some other type of check for
free but that I'd have to go to AMEX to get my AMEX checks cashed for
free.

I found that store-front change booths would not charge a fee on
AMEX per se, but those transactions were high-overhead nonetheless.

Has anyone else encountered this?

-jonathan hahn
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From: Thomas Levitan <tlevitan@igc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Date: 05 Apr 92 09:53 PDT
Subject: Re: New Orleans
Nf-ID: #R:3APR199215151259@lims02.lerc.nas:961821873:cdp:1460300067:000:2857
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!tlevitan    Apr  5 09:53:00 1992


Vince-

It has been twenty years since I lived in New Orleans; I get back
for a visit every few years.  But, here are some New Orleans
restaurants that I like.

MOSCA'S  A "road house" on the way to Lafayette, U.S. 90 west in
Waggaman.  Rent a car and go to what is probably the best restau-
rant in New Orleans, even though it doesn't look the part.  Order
several things and share.  My suggestions: Oysters Mosca (about 2
doz. oysters baked with seasoned bread crumbs, butter and olive
oil), Shrimp Mosca (whole, large shrimp sauteed in seasoning,
olive oil and butter), and Spaghetti Bordelaise (pasta in gar-
lic).  Sop up the extra oil with wonderful Italian bread.  Crab
salads are good for starts.  Ask directions, it is about a 45
minute drive from downtown, but interesting.

THE BON TON  A traditional New Orleans businessperson's lunch
place, but also open for dinner.  Good fried catfish, good gumbo
and crayfish things, good bread pudding.  Downtown on Camp St.

RALPH AND KACOO'S  Several, one in the French Quarter, others in
the suburbs.  A family restaurant, moderately priced, big serv-
ings.  Not haute cuisine, but good New Orleans seafood, well
prepared.  You may feel rushed.  The original Ralph and Kacoo's
was about an hour's drive from Baton Rouge and we would drive out
about once a month for dinner or Sunday lunch.

CAMELLIA GRILL  Good for breakfast or lunch, in uptown New
Orleans, Carollton Avenue on the St. Charles streetcar line. 
Pecan waffles, wonderful service.  A diner, but New Orleans
style.

KABY'S  If you feel like pigging out at a Sunday seafood brunch,
this is in the Hilton at the foot of Canal Street.  I eat my fill
of oysters and clams on the half shell, boiled shrimp, and boiled
crabs, but there is hot food too.

If you are walking around the French Quarter and want a light
lunch, stop at either Central or Progress grocery stores on
Decatur Street (across from the French Market) and order a
Mufuletta.  Large italian loaf filled with many kinds of cheeses,
meats, and italian salad.  Pick up a Barq's root beer or cream
soda and eat in Jackson Square.

Beignets are New Orleans french doughnuts at Cafe du Monde.  Have
them with cafe au lait.

POPEYE'S  is not the Colonel's fried chicken.  It is seasoned.  A
good cheap meal.

I've heard that Commander's Palace in the Garden District is
good, but it wasn't when I lived in New Orleans 20 years ago.

The main thing to remember is that people in New Orleans do live
to eat, and it is not unusual to plan meals way ahead of time. 

Also, good music at a bar called Snug Harbor, which is located
down river from the French Quarter.  The last time I was there,
the house band featured Charmaine Neville.  Great!  Also, the
Maple Leaf, Tylers, and Tipitinas.

Have fun.

Tom Levitan

Peacenet: tlevitan@cdp.igc.org
Internet: LEVITANT@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU

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From: rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin)
Subject: Re: must sees/dos/eats in Brussels
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:09:47 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <1992Apr15.143547.12386@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> laural@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.l.la gassa) writes:
> So, if you had 3 days and 2 nights in Brussels during the second week of
> May, what would you do?  Where would you eat?  And most importantly, where
> would you buy chocolate?

You should be able to find a Brussels tour book, they do exist.  At worst,
go to the library and take out the generic Europe book and find the chapter
on Brussels.

There are lots of good restaurants to eat at in Brussels.  Unfortunately,
many of them are very expensive.  When I was there 2 years ago on business,
I did not get to eat at any of them because my business associates were too
cheap.  Note that bad meals can cost $50+ in Brussels.  The best place in
town is supposed to be the restaurant on the outskirts of the forest.  I
forget the name at the moment.  One of the other really great places is a
restaurant on the 2nd floor of a building overlooking the Grand Place.  I
believe they are the same ownership.  I ate at neither :-(.  Make
reservations early.

For chocolate, I HIGHLY recommend Wittamer.  I caught my connecting flight
in Zurich on my way home so I could pick up some chocolate there.  I would
have been better off spending the money at Wittamer's, it was THAT GOOD.

-- Bill rubin@watson.ibm.com
From: tseng@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Carol Tseng)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: HELP: Nice and Italy
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:31:52 GMT
Reply-To: tseng@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Carol Tseng)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I am planning a trip to Italy (Rome, Florence and Venice)
and will end up in Nice for a conference.  I will have only
ten days in Italy.  Can anyone suggest a tour company for my
travel in Italy?  Or should I be adventurous and go it on my
own?  I will be traveling in early to mid June so I'm worried
about arranging accomodations.  This will be my first trip to
Europe so I'm a bit nervous about it.  Please email replies.
Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: tlawton@infocenter.encore.com (Tom Lawton)
Subject: Re: Florida: east coast
Keywords: Florida tips
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:15:39 GMT

jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich) writes:

>In article <susan.702912568@falcon5>, susan@falcon5.ericsson.se (Susan
>Cohen) writes:
>> 
>> Specific questions:
>> 
>> What are the biggest and best shopping areas
>> (a mall, even) to go to?  

>  The largest mall down here is the Sawgrass Mills mall in Sunrise.  
>  (That's west of Fort Lauderdale.)

>  Believe it or not, they bring tour buses full of people to it.

Now Jan - you didn't mention the Thunderbird Swap Shop on east Sunrise
Blvd.  It's now one of the major attractions in Florida - like Disney
World. Buses??  Heck - they bring 'em by 'train' load :-).  This is one
place not to miss!!  Even has a circus and top name acts - mostly
country - and on the weekends.  Willie's played the Swap Shop.  I've
heard the Nashville circuit has this place as one of the stops on it's
tour - for established and up coming country stars!`


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Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 08:40:36 CET
From: <TNEDDERH@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Europe-USA-Europe
 <1992Apr9.220815.26488@nntp.hut.fi>

So if I understood you right you have to know someone who will buy for you
the ticket Europe-US-Europe from a travel agent or the airline itself in
the US. Or is it still possible to order the ticket (from Europe) from a
travel agent in the US. In this case do you have names or addresses where
this is possible?
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From: libove@libove.det.dec.com (Jay Vassos-Libove)
Subject: Re: HELP ON CHICAGO-ORLANDO
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Detroit Ultrix Resource Center
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:29:13 GMT

For ANY road trip where you plan to spend time along the
way seeing the sights, one of the best sources of information
is to join up with the American Automobile Association (AAA)
for anywhere from $30 to $60 per year (based on type of
membership, and possibly the state in which you reside) and
to raid their selections of "Tour Books" for the areas through
which you will be passing. Once you join up with the AAA, books
and maps are free in unlimited quantity. AAA maps tend to be
very good, by the way.

My wife and I planned 95% of our honeymoon (driving through
New York and Ontario) with AAA and CAA (Canadian Auto Assoc)
"Tour Book"s and maps. The information is usually correct 
(you should always call ahead if you are making an unusually
long side trip where it will be a problem if they are closed
or something like that) and sometimes (often) you get a discount
on entrance fees just by showing your AAA/CAA membership card!
--

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Digital Equipment Corporation      decwrl!det.dec.com!libove
Open Systems Resource Center       Opinions? They're mine, mine, all mine!
Farmington Hills, Michigan         and D.E.C. Can't have 'em!
From: interran@berlioz.cs.unc.edu (Victoria Interrante)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Spain/Morocco info requested by 2 adults w/ 3mo old baby
Date: 6 Apr 92 01:14:30 GMT


	My husband just found out that Mexico is sending his interactive
computer project to their pavillion at the Expo in Spain, and we've bought
tickets to go over there so that he can make sure it's set up correctly and
be available to fix anything that might go wrong after the first few days
of heavy use.

	We have never been to Europe before, and would like to take
advantage of this opportunity to travel around Spain, Morocco, and
possibly France and Germany for a month after he is done in Seville.
However, we have not had any time to make any advance arrangements,
and matters are further complicated by the fact that we will be travelling
with our infant son.

	Given the circumstances, we are hoping to be able to rent a car
in Madrid and stay somewhere out of town for the days in Seville.  (I read
about something called 'Sevilla Abierta' in a travel book- it was supposed
to be some kind of clearinghouse for people wanting to stay in rooms in
private homes- but we have had no luck reaching anyone at the number given.)
We's also like to take the car with us in our travels around the rest of Spain
and possibly the other countries in Europe since the prospect of carrying
numerous heavy suitacses and assorted baby paraphenalia on public transportation
is not very appealing.

	I'd be very grateful for any advice people can offer about the
feasability of this plan, and also for suggestions for travelling in Morocco
with the baby.  I have been following the latest string of articles giving
various warnings about the place, and want to keep Gabriel out of any 
possibly dangerous situations.  My husband is Mexican, so we have Spanish
and English but no other languages.  We have travelled extensively in 
third world countries where Spanish is spoken, but this will be our first
time going somewhere where we can't speak the language.  (I took five
semesters of Arabic, but never got very good at it, and my six years of
French study ended after high school.)

	Please send email, as we are leaving next week and I might not be
able to get through all of the articles in this newsgroup.  I will gladly
summarize and post to the net along with our experiences if there is any 
interest when we get back.

			Thanks very much,
				Vicki Interrante
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: London hotels
From: vectr01v@VAX.CSUN.EDU (Ron Heeb)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:27:56 GMT
Reply-To: vectr01v@VAX.CSUN.EDU
Organization: Cal State Northridge

My friend is planning to travel to London in late June.  She will be traveling 
with her family (2 adults, 2 children).  They'll be staying for 5 to 6 days.  
Could anyone recommend a good, medium-priced, centrally located hotel or 
private residence with rooms to rent?

I would prefer it if you could just mail your response to me but posting it 
here would be ok.

Thanks in advance,

Ron
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From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: 6 hours in Toronto with 3 kids
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:26:47 GMT
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Distribution: na
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501

Another boring x hours in y question I'm afraid... It looks like I'm
going to have a 6 hour stopover in Toronto this summer. What can I
usefully do that will (i) keep kids aged 6,6 and 4 occupied, and (ii)
tire them out so they'll sleep on the ensuing overnight flight?

My (somewhat old) guidebook tells me there's no subway or other train
between the international airport and the city center. Is that still
the case? Are there any other relatively cheap ways for the five of us
to get to the vicinity of the CN Tower (which seems like an obvious
starting point)? Any other things we can do in that vicinity? Isn't
the new baseball stadium near there and can one visit it?

--
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From: swagata@spsd.irvine.dg.com (swagata majumdar)
Subject: tour of London/ EURAIL
Organization: Data General, Irvine, CA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 19:02:48 GMT


Hello everyone!
	Here's to looking forward to a few suugestions/hints.

1. My husband and I are taking a tour package from London to Rome 
in June. We plan to arrive in London 2 days before the tour starts.
I want to plan in advance how to spend those two days in London.
Any suggestions. Since the tour package covers a sightseeing day in London,
(probably, the usual stuff- Westminister Abbey, Buckingham palace , etc),
I would like to see/do something else. Maybe seeing the countryside
would be a good idea. Is there a cheap way to go from London to a countryside,
e.g.. Stattford, Oxford, Wales? Can we take public transport to there, spend the day?
How long would it take? What if we want to spend the night there?

2. After the tour ends in Rome, we are planning to take EURAIL from
Rome to London. Is that a good idea? Should we buy the EURAIL pass in the
U.S. itself? Not being able to speak any of the native languages -
how big a difficulty would that cause?

I am a bit apprehensive since this will be my first visit to Europe. 

Any opinion/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Swagata@irvine.dg.com


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From: bigos_p@apollo.HP.COM (Patrick Bigos)
Subject: Tell me about Montreal...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Exeter, NH
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:01:11 GMT


I'm thinking about going to Montreal the weekend of May 1-3.
I will be driving there.  About how long will it take from
Portsmouth, NH?  What are some things I MUST do and see?  
Ever hear of any INEXPENSIVE thing to do or places to stay?

Thank you so very much,

Patrick

E-Mail:  bigos_p@apollo.hp.com