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From: colins@praxis.co.uk (Colin Shield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: 10 things they don't say on the telly
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:39:31 GMT
Organization: Praxis, Warwick, U.K.

1. Oh dear, Klinsmann seems to be really quite badly injured this
   time.
2. And this is Clive Allen's third successive season with his current
   club.
3. Ron Atkinson has refused to give us an interview.
4. And back, by popular demand, Jimmy Hill.
5. That's a wonderfully creative piece of play by David Batty.
6. What a wonderful job Carlton palmer has done as sweeper for the
   England team tonight.
7. This is Spurs' 5th successive clean sheet.
8. With that final, thought provoking comment from Paul Gascoigne,
   it's goodnight
9. Oh yes, Peter Beardsley certainly is a hit with the women.
10.And despite his wonderfully dominating and courageous work, from
   the 5th row of the East Stand, Bryan Robson hasn't won Man Of The Match.

Colin Shield
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From: "russell tisseman" <russell.tisseman@canrem.com>
Subject: soccer games...     2
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Date: 7 Oct 92 17:34:08 EST

Continued from the previous message...

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From: stigh@edb.tih.no (Stig Husby,o91a)
Subject: Cup final in Norway
Reply-To: stigh@edb.tih.no
Organization: T I H / T I S I P
Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.05.15  1.20 (running under MS-Windows)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:18:24 GMT

There is no doubt that Norway only has one winning team,
yepp you're right :

Rosenborg B.K.

The only team in Norway that really know how to play football.
As usual they will win the double this year. 
It's a shame that no other teams in norway know how to play
football....
At 25 oct. they will put an end to the rest of the teams in Norway
by winning the Norwegian Cup Final.


Stig Husby.
From: scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The owls from Sheffield
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:53:53 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
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In article <1992Oct8.223300.8600@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> ramprasa@amide.ecn.purdue.edu (Ramprasad Ramakrishna) writes:
|WHAT
|	EVER
|		HAPPENED 
|			TO
|
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|S T E V E?  H I R S T

You mean David Hirst of course, who unfortunately has been injured and
must be due for back soon (I hope!!). He's certainly been missed at
Wednesday. And all this due to being kicked off the park by Steve Bould
at Highbury.....(during the George Graham "must try harder" period -
what a lovely manager he is :-).

When he's been fit he looks as good as anyone in the country (if not
better - well, perhaps not with Shearer in his current form). Trouble
is, he's spent half of the last two years injured....very worrying....

gordon
From: mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Leeds vs. Stuttgart decision
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:22:37 GMT
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martin@inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Martin Protzen) writes:
: Some people have been unhappy with the decision, so here is 
: another suggestion what UEFA could have done:
: 
: - eliminate BOTH teams !!
: 
: Leeds, because they lost the original series and
: Stuttgart, because they broke the rules.

	Surely this would be a huge injustice to Leeds. There was a
possibility (slim though it may be) that Leeds would have scored if
Stuttgart had not brought on their towering Yugoslav (?) centre back to
deal with the aerial threat that Chapman and Cantona were presenting.
Thus it could be argued that Leeds _may_ have been beaten as a direct
result of Stuttgarts "cheating". If he had not been brought on, then
perhaps joint elimination would be a fair decision, but it wouldn't
have done much for the sport! The result would have been Stuttgart
getting off with a fine and a slapped wrist, I'll wager. As he _was_
brought on this would have been an abysmal decision.

: Noone could have complained about that decision.

Cough cough. Put me down for 'no one' status please.

: I prefer UEFA's actual decision giving both teams a second chance.

So do I...;-)

		Conor
From: craa27@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ( Steve Holmes, Computer Centre )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: UEFA DISGRACE: RE: Leeds v Stuttgart
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:49:55 GMT
Reply-To: craa27@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
Organization: Strathclyde University Computer Centre.

In article 9284@vax.oxford.ac.uk, stuart@vax.oxford.ac.uk () writes:
>
>Does anyone know the German for "cheat"?
>
>stuart



Klinsmann ???
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From: fsff@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: European qualification results 92.10.14
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:02:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.225301.4745@daimi.aau.dk>, rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
> Results from tonight - draws seems to be fashionable these days.
> 
> Group 1:
> 92.10.14:  Italy-Switzerland           2-2
> 92.10.14:  Scotland-Portugal           0-0
> 
> Group 2:
> 92.10.14:  England-Norway              1-1
> 92.10.14:  Holland-Poland              2-2
> 
> Group 3:
> 92.10.14:  Denmark-Ireland             0-0
> 92.10.14:  North Ireland-Spain         0-0
> 
> Group 4:
> 92.10.14:  Belgium-Romania             1-0
> 92.10.14:  Cyprus-Wales                0-1
> 
> Group 5:
> 92.10.14:  CIS-Iceland                 1-0
> 92.10.14:  Hungary-Yugoslavia          Yugoslavia banned
> 
> Group 6:
> 92.10.14:  France-Austria              2-0
> 
> -- 
> Jesper Lauridsen       | Liverpool FC - 18xChampions, 5xCup Winner,
> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk  |                4xEC1 and 2xEC3 Winner
>           AGF and Liverpool FC for the 1993 EC2 final

Thank you for posting the results so fast, I appreciate that a lot.
Did you see Denmark-Ireland? If so, do you have any comments, that you would
like to share with a Greenlandic guy stuck in Alaska, without any televison
coverage of soccer?


	Flemming Fold, 
	Faibanks, Alaska.
From: neelvl@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Man.Utd. in Europe
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:18:18 GMT
Reply-To: neelvl@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Distribution: ut
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: neelvl@happy.cc.utexas.edu

Are Manchester United still in the U.E.F.A. Cup? What was the score in the
second leg of their match against the Russian team? Any info. would be
much appreciated.
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: French line-up + news
Date: 15 Oct 1992 19:37:25 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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    France are playing Austria at Parc des Princes tonight.
Eurosport will show the match at 20.30 MET. Here is the French line-up,
I don't have the Austrians at writing time.

                                    LINE-UPS

    FRANCE:

                   	Martini(1)

			Sauzee(5) 
              Boli(4)		   Casoni(6)

Sassus(2)	        Deschamps(7)		Durand(3)

	      Fournier(8)            Gravelaine(10)

              Papin(9)		    Cantona(11)

    Francois Omam-Biyik has signed a three-year contract with Lens.
    Dejan Savicevic might sign for OM...

Cheers,
Kent

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Subject: Sunderland (UK)
From: britton_j@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 12 Oct 1992 08:12:10 GMT
Reply-To: britton_j@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
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Some assistance from any one who can answer the following:
1. The address of the Sunderland Supporters Club.
2. Where "strips" (shirts etc) in the colours of Sunderland can be
   purchased - and address (es) would be helpful.

Thanks. - John
From: blob@gallant.apple.com (Brian Bechtel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: WC'94 qualifying match results, Africa
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:48:38 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

Friday Result
        Algeria 3, Burundi 1
                         
Saturday Result
        Nigeria 4, South Africa 0
        Ivory Coast 6, Botswana 0

Sunday Results
        Swaziland at Cameroon, ppd., elections
        Zaire 4, Liberia 2
        Egypt 1, Angola 0
        Zimbabwe 1, Togo 0
        Libya at Congo, ppd., UN sanctions
        Morocco 5, Ethiopia 0
        Tunisia 5, Benin 1
        Gabon 3, Mozambique 1
        Madagascar 3, Namibia 0
        Zambia 2, Tanzania 0
        Mali def. Guinea, forfeit

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From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Re: UEFA DISGRACE: RE: Leeds v Stuttgart
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:28:07 GMT

----------------------------------

Let me repeat this very slowly: i-f t-h-e r-e-f-e-r-e-e h-a-d c-a-l-l-e-d
t-h-e g-a-m-e o-f a-t t-h-e t-i-m-e o-f t-h-e s-u-b-s-t-i-t-u-t-i-o-n
S-t-u-t-t-g-a-r-t w-o-u-l-d h-a-v-e a-d-v-a-n-c-e-d.

How come you all are so sure that Leeds would have scored another one in the
remaining 8 minutes?
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen       | Liverpool FC - 18xChampions, 5xCup Winner,
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk  |                4xEC1 and 2xEC3 Winner
          AGF and Liverpool FC for the 1993 EC2 final
----------------------------------

Why would the referee have called the match? An examination of the rules 
would have clearly shown that the referee has NO (ZIP, ZERO, NADA) 
responsibility to ensure that the players presenting passes (passports) are 
legitimately on the roster, only that they are, indeed, the player that is on 
the presented roster. Don't try to blame this problem on refereeing - this 
seems to be an issue involving the team's management (both teams?)

I have been observing this discussion, and have so far felt that the problem 
belongs to the Cup organizer to solve - they are the ones that approve 
rosters.....

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu
From: bjpc@ENGIN.UMICH.EDU (Brian Jeffrey Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: ann arbor vs. pontiac silverdome
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:14:20 GMT





well here is a bit of a story that you all would be interested in.

first of all, there WILL BE NATURAL GRASS in the the pontiac silverdome.
the idea is to bulid a platofrm and put grass down on top of that.
there was an article in one of the local detroit papers about how michigan
state university is trying to produce a set of conditions that would allow
a pitch of playable grass to be grown inside a dome.  how this will
work, i am nor sure.

the deal with michigan stadium, ann arbor michigan.  persoanlly, i thought
it would have been a better choice....but the deal is that there was 
a locan group headed by micheal malley (spelling??), a local attorney and
soccer enthusiast, who tried to get the U of Michigan to allow games to
be played at michigan stadium.  the was talks and letters and pressure applied
but the university for some reason did not o.k.  i think the official 
reason was that the local group and USSF did not properly present a 
proposal to the University officials.

also, you have to remember, it would disrupt U of M football, and i 
will guarantee that nothing, will disrupt football around here.
in reference to the stadium, no event other than graduation
has been held in michigan stadium in years....
only football.....

i will try to find more information....

peace...bjc
From: colins@praxis.co.uk (Colin Shield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: European Cup
Summary: Why do we have a foreign player rule
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:17:28 GMT
Organization: Praxis, Warwick, U.K.

With all of the current mess regarding the Leeds Stuttgart business in
the Eupropean Cup. It seems an ideal time to question the
whole point of this foreign player ruling. I know why it exists, in
theory, it's to prevent a club importing loads of the best
internationals and winning the cup.
Surely the whole basis of the EC is that it matches the top teams in
Europe against each other. The top teams are judged to be the teams
that have won their repsective championships.
If this is the case why can the teams that won the championship not be
allowed to play? Why does the team playing have to be only a
representation of the club that won the championship? 
It seems a little strange to have a competition whose entry is
restricted only to successful teams, then not allow that team to take
part. Or am I missing something fundamental here?

Colin Shield
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Subject: Re: Blackburn Rovers News wanted - Roy Wegerle
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 >...news of Roy Wegerle

After languishing on the bench for the first part of the season, he got
a start last saturday and scored 2 goals in a 7:1 win. He also scored
a goal in Tuesday's Coca Cola Cup match.

British correspondents may have more detail on this.

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From: ACCGAT@vaxc.hofstra.edu (Garen Tchopourian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spanish Championship Stats
Date: 12 Oct 1992 11:27:11 -0500
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hey Ziad,

   nice stats man! is that a program you wrote where you only input
the game results ? And it takes care of all the the stats?

  Do you have the same thing for the Italian and English League?

                                                   - Garen

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From: timk@bjcong.bj.co.uk (TIM KENNEDY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Leeds v Stuttgart,  good show
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:14:42 GMT
Reply-To: timk@bjcong.UUCP (TIM KENNEDY)
Organization: Boldon James Limited (UK)

Well after all that discussion,  Leeds won 2-1 in Barcelona on Friday
night.  So it's look out Rangers.  Beating the German champions on 3
out of four occasions ain't bad going.

First of all may I,  under absolutely no duress,  say sorry to any Germans
who took offence to my humorously (I hope) couched terms used in relation
to Stuttgart.  Actually my position on the issue was that as long as we 
got another shot at the competition I was happy.  I hear that the German
Press was not quite as generous on this point.

I thought the game was a little slower than the Elland Road tie,  on account 
of the vast pitch but still at a pretty fast pace.  The fans of both sides
who were there managed to create some noise despite their hardly filling
a hundredth of the enormous stadium.

Strach delivered a superb strike from outside the area  in the 32nd minute
which the German goalie could not divert.  The Stuttgart equalised with
(Golke?) a superb cross met expertly with a diving header.

The first half was mostly Leeds,  but the second half the Germans took
control and Leeds had to defend well,  with Newsome outstanding at centre
back.  Yes they defended well,  I couldn't believe it either.

Anyway a less than fit Cantona was substituted by Carl Shutt in the 77nd
minute and immediately scored with his first touch,  taking a good Dorigo
cross and beating the Stuttgart defence before putting the ball past the
keeper,  Immel.  Carl Shutt incidentally ,  was a 50,000 purchase  
by Wilko from his old side Wednesday back in the Second Division days. 
He is best known for his mad stare,  and is a longstanding fave of mine
with his goal vs Chelsea last season for example.

All in all a superb team performance.  Chapman and Speed both went close
but the Germans also had chances which they didn't convert.

			Batts
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Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 10:53:27 -0400 
From: Saverio Cittadini <sc4n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Samp-Milan

Though a definitive decision hasn't been announced yet (as far as I know),
at present the most likely date for the replay of Sampdoria-Milan seems to
be Nov. 11th.

          Saverio

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From: rf40@woodstock.umd.edu (Tottenham Hotspur FC)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rothenberg's new US pro soccer plans
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:46:40 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Oct16.145753.16650@europa.asd.contel.com> andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:
>One thing that the US should not do is have the promotion/relegation system.
>
>I just have this bad feeling that with our luck, New York, LA, and Chicago
>will be the first three teams relegated and in one fell swoop we lose our 
>biggest markets.
>
>I would rather see the league get off the ground and be stable for a decade
>before we started to promote and relegate.
>
>Andy

Why not, the league would be followed by more people in the mainstream
if their local teams from small towns in middle America gained promtion
to the 1st div. Sure the big city teams might get relegated and lose $$$
but look
at the potential of all the other fans the sport could bring if these
small towns had clubs in the lower divs and then gained promotion to
the big leagues. The clubs in the top div would probably still lose
money regardless if they went down. Who says that teams in the lower
echelons don't make money? For example, look at the minor league AAA
baseball teams such as Rochester and Nashville, who draw over 10k fans
regulary despite the fact that they are still farm teams to the baseball
pro teams. 

I really favor the promotion/relegation system because it makes the
league strong and motivates teams to become better because they must
survive to keep from going down.

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From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Blackburn and other trends....
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:58:44 GMT
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  I would suggest another question:  teams winning the cup from outside their
league's top division.  I am told that Wednesday was the first ever in England,
but would like to hear from all countries, and also if any such teams went on
to do well in EC2 or other continental equivalent.

Go HEARTS!

Andy Lipscomb
lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
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From: schraag@fwi.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Subject: Dutch competition (ere-divisie), postponed game.
Summary: played 7/10.
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:07:39 GMT
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RKC - PSV 0-3
   2' Numan
  15' Romario
  85' Romario

Table after the next complete round.
(PSV still first, RKC dropped to 12th place)

joost.

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From: J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Arsenal and Div One (was Re: 1FC Ko"ln v. Celtic (Glasgow variety))
Date: 8 Oct 1992 04:19:58 -0500
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In message <1992Oct07.145539.39575@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk
(Matthew Moore) writes:

> Lots of interesting stuff about umlauts deleted

>Ob.footie question 'At about the beginning of "World War I" in about 1915,
>the Arsenal FC ('London Arsenal', or 'Arsenal London') finished at
>approximately the bottom of Div 1. Several million dead later, in 1919, at the
>start of the next season somehow, they were not relegated.
>(And can claim that they have never been relegated, to this day).
>Anyone know what happened?

It's worse than that. They finished about 7th in Division Two in 1915 and yet
played in Division One in the next season, 1919. The reason? Well the league
was expanded and they needed someone to make up the numbers. Instead of
promoting the next best teams, they had a sort of election. Arsenal waved
lots of money about and lobbied for a Division One place more effectively
than other clubs. I think that Spurs were one of the teams which were passed
by, also that Chelsea were saved from relegation by the decision to expand
the league. Since "buying" their way into Division One, Arsenal have failed
to do the decent thing and get relegated. In Scotland, Aberdeen benefited from
a similar arrangement in 1905, and they too have not been relegated since
(Scotland didn't introduce automatic promotion until 1921, before that all
teams had to be elected to Division One, so often the Division Two champions
wouldn't be promoted, even although the 2nd placed team was).

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