HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Is MAZDA a Japanese word?
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:01:24 GMT
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: tozaki@math.keio.ac.jp's message of 1 Sep 92 18:39:55 GMT

In article <TOZAKI.92Sep2033953@radish.math.keio.ac.jp> tozaki@math.keio.ac.jp
   (Hidekazu TOZAKI) writes:

 =}In article <14767@mindlink.bc.ca> twt@mindlink.bc.ca (Tom W. Tomlinson) writes:
 =} |Hi.  My friend Stan is the happy owner of a Mazda 626.  Is Mazda a
 =} |Japanese word or name?  The sequence /zd/ does not normally occur
 =} |in Romaji: is the name actually Matsuda?  What is the origin of the
 =} |name of this brand of car, and how is it represented in Kanji (if
 =} |it can be)?
 =}
 =} I hear it comes from Persian 'Ahura Mazda', God of Zoroastriansm, but
 =}I'm not sure. At first, they made lamps.

   I have heard that the word Mazda came from the founders name.
The company wanted to make Matuda easier to pronounce for foreigners.
(Matuda Seiko didn't have any problem).  So they gave it what they
thought was a german pronunciation and it stuck.

   Mazda is often used an example by some neo-nationalists of how us
foreigners physically can't speak Japanese.  I made the mistake of
telling a group of them once that the company's name in the US is
"Mazda" not "Matuda" and that it is their lack of this knowledge
that is demonstrated by their example and not American's physical
inferiority... :(   Needless to say, they won't talk to me anymore...
From: TOGE@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Nobukazu Toge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Is MAZDA a Japanese word?
Date: 2 Sep 92 07:01:29 GMT
 <TOZAKI.92Sep2033953@radish.math.keio.ac.jp>
 <HARKCOM.92Sep2090124@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Mazda, like several people noted, is basically "MATSU-DA", where
MATSU is a pine tree and DA is a rice field.  One of typical Japanese
family names.

If you hear Japanese speaking Japanese, you'll find that Matsuda sounds
like "ma-Ts(u)-DA", where ma is pronounced at a somewhat lower tone, while
Ts(u) and DA at a higher flat tone. Many times people won't say (u) within
Ts(u) too explicitly.

I'm not a neo nationalist, but many English speakers I know tend to pronounce
the word like "ma-TSUH-dah" where TSUH gets the highest stress, and dah much
lower.  That sounds definitely non-Japanese.

I guess people at Mazda decided to (1) make it a bit easier for non-Japanese
to pronounce, and (2) make it a bit Western sounding so it looks cool for
Japanese domestic consumption as well.

A problem, I see, is now Mazda gets pronounced like "MAhz-da", which is
again not too Japanese sounding, but well, what the heck!

Just a rambling on a nice non-political topic.

- Nobu Toge (ex-SLAC, now-KEK.  My opinions only, of course).
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:23:48 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <2502@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

[stuff deleted]
>
>In any case, could you supply us with a reference and a short quote?
>

	This is from a history textbook that I used when I was in high school.

		Inoue, M. et. al. (1981).  Sho^setsu: nihonshi (detailed:
			Japanese history). Tokyo: Yamakawa Shuppan Co.

	Related parts (JIA in the continent after WW I and during WW II) are;

		pp.287-289  JIA's progress into China and the 21 demands to 
			En Sei-gai (sorry, I don't know it in neither in English					nor in Chinese)

		pp.300-301  Giichi Tanaka Cabinet's policies; assisting
			Cho (Chang?) Saku-lin; Kanto-gun's assasination of
			Cho Saku-lin; rise of right-wingers

		pp.306-307  South Manturian Railroad Bobming (trans?) (9.18.'31)			the puppet government in Manchuria (with the Last 
			Emperor); withdrawal from LN

		pp.312-313  Sino-Japan War (7.7.'37 - ) ; puppet government in 
			Nangkin (1940)

		p.315, p.319  Dai-To^a Kyo^ei Ken

	Quotes:
	assasination of Cho Saku-lin
		the truth that Kanto-gun had bomed Cho was not released to 
		the public.

		some members of Kanto-gun did the incident alone without any
		order from authority.
	
	South Manchurian Railroads Bombing
		Kanto-gun claimed that the incident had attributed to Chinese
		Army and took an action

		the public consensus in Japan supported the action of Kanto-gun

	 	etc.


		Just for reference.

						Tetsuya Nishimura
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: justin@mik.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Any Japanese Pussy Available?
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:42:43 GMT

Mike Fester writes
> >Amen.. Small wonder orientals call Westerners 'barbarians.'
> 
> At the risk of asking a rather obvious question, how can you tell by the
> "umsalte2@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mystery)" that this is a "Westerner"?

You didn't get it? Poor fellow.. He certainly sounds like it. It's a western  
attitude, that's for sure. So with 'western' attitudes like that (and he's  
not alone, to be sure), it is, as I said.. Small wonder orientals call  
Westerners 'barbarians!'
From: lindaa@dream.Berkeley.EDU (Linda Absher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Everyday Life in Japan during the '50s & early '60s
Date: 26 Aug 1992 21:56:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dream.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Occupation, Everyday Life


For personal reasons too complex to go into, I'm interested in gathering as much information as I can
regarding life in Japan from approx. 1955-1963, particularly life near U.S. military bases.  I'm also
interested in impressions people have had regarding interracial couples (during that time most inter-
racial couples were American GIs and Japanese women).  Please send e-mail directly to me.   
 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.history
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: US colonializing (Was: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:56:48 GMT

[This morning's mailbox was warm and crisp from all the flames about this thread,
so I will limit myself to the bare essentials in brilliant witticisms.]

fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:

>In article <jwb.715225686@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:

>>It was busy at the time snatching colonies off Spain: (Philipines, Cuba, ...)

>With the navy you just decried in value?

Oh come, come. At that time even the Austrian and Swiss navies could have handled
the Spanish navy comfortably.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.history
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:42:46 GMT

phs172m@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen Harker) writes:

>	Yes and no :-).  They were still well behind in propulsion
>techniques at the time - the power from turbines was a big factor in
>Dreadnought's effectiveness - also there were reasons why the British
>(incorrectly) rejected superfiring in their design for Dreadnought.  The
>big advance came with the introduction of "all or nothing" armouring in
>1914 in my view, although they still had weak deck armour it made these
>ships better protected than others.  The other notable factor was the use
>of magazines below shell rooms also in 1914 from memory.  The British did
>not come to either of those until after Jutland, and a series of
>experiments in magazine locations during WW1.  The Germans may never have
>done the latter  as diagrams I have seen of Bismarck show she had magazines
>above shell rooms!

[cross-posted to rec.naval.architecture.history.trivial.details]

Yes, these points can be debated forever. Did the Germans improve their
deck armour after the pasting they got at the Dogger Bank and Heliogoland Bight
battles. Was this the reason they sunk so many of Beatty's battlecruisers at Jutland.
Who really started the tactic of "plunging fire", etc. etc. etc.

To return to the subject of this news-grope, I read a fascinating book by
one of the Russian sailors in the fleet that was wiped out in 1905 at Tsushima.
Apparently it was a sheer fluke that the ships got as far as Japan, they were so
badly handled. The officers were untrained aristocrats and the crew were
illiterate peasants. The ships, even when they were built by other nations,
had to be modified, reducing the guns and armour to make room for the
wood-panelled above-deck cabins that were an officers right in the Imperial
Russian Navy. The shells were loaded with specially-modified HE which was designed to
survive the long voyage, but was in fact not tested, and usually didn't explode.

Apparently as they sailed through the North Sea, they mistook the British
trawlers fleet for Japanese torpedo boats, and shot them up (well tried to, but
their shooting was bad.) This led the Poms to deny them coaling for the trip.

Small wonder they were all sunk.
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:7448 soc.history:7877 soc.culture.china:24264
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:53:17 GMT
 <jwb.714871597@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au><1992Aug28.181431.5455@island.COM><1992Aug28.192706.16097@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

>Wrong! The U.S. was more civilized in that it want free trade while
>Britain tried to grab all of China's wealth by illegal narcotics
>traficking(government-sponsored). What do you think how we had the
>Opium war and what Hong Kong was originally intended for?

The US wanted free trade with China because the US did not have the fire power
nor the resources to crave out its own piece of China. By trying to force the
"Open Door" policy, the US hoped to circumvent the advantages of Imperialism.

Be civil had little or nothing to do with it.

smittie
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.history
From: marshall@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Jim Marshall - DCS)
Subject: Re: US colonializing (Was: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:49:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.145046.5533@news2.cis.umn.edu>, thornley@nano.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) writes:
> In article <ROTEN.92Aug31133031@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov> roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten) writes:
> >In article <jwb.715225686@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> 
> >jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
> >
> >>miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:
> >
> >>>    [U.S. was far superior to Japan, and Russo-Japanese war was largely
> >>>     fought with British- and American-made ships.]
> >
> >>From my reading, all the Russian ships were made in Germany or Russia, 
> >>and all the Japanese ships were made in the UK or Japan. Do you have any 
> >>information on ships made in the US?
> >
> "All" is too strong a word.  Russia used ships made by France, Sweden, and
> England in addition; Japan had ships made by France, Germany, and Italy.
> The only U.S.-built ships I was able to find were Japanese protected
> cruisers Chitose and Kasagi, a couple of unremarkable ships.  At this
> time, U.S. ships were distinctly inferior to European, although the U.S.
> took a leap forward very early in the 20th Century.
> 
> >>>       By the end
> >>>	of the US Civil War the US had the best Army and largest Navy in the
> >>>	world, and at any time after that could have carved out whatever
> >>>	piece of China she had a desire for.  
> >
> >>[U.S. Army in 1865 was large and battle-hardened, but was run down within
> >> a decade.  At no time did the combined Union and Confederate fleets
> >> match even the French navy, not the British.]
> >>In technology, it lagged behind both Britain and Germany in the 
> >>"Dreadnaught" revolution in naval architecture of the early 1900s.  
> >
> Actually, the first dreadnaught battleships laid down were American.
> They were in some respects ahead of their time, having all guns on the
> centerline in superfiring turrets.  I'd say it was about this time that
> the U.S. started taking the lead in warship design.
> 
> >I'm glad you flamed him about this, Jim, because if you hadn't, I would 
> >have.  There is only one significant naval innovation the U. S. made 
> >before 1900, the ironclad.  And that was _immediately_ copied.  
> >
> I hope you'll consider this as a friendly correction, but didn't the
> British and French pioneer ironclads?  The Monitor was, I believe, the
> first "modern" warship designed with absolutely no provision for sails,
> but was thoroughly impractical for oceanic operations.  In any case,
> within ten years after the Civil War, the U.S. Navy was hopelessly
> antiquated.
> 
> DHT
> 


Just a minor point, the first of the dreadnaught class ships was
the H.M.S Dreadnaught    hence the name.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent L. Irvine)
Subject: Re: Any Japanese Pussy Available?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:32:38 GMT

In article <7170@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep3.144243.9323@ms.uky.edu>, justin@mik.uky.edu 
>(Justin Sullivan) writes:
>> > >Amen.. Small wonder orientals call Westerners 'barbarians.'
>
>> Mike Fester writes
>> > At the risk of asking a rather obvious question, how can you tell by the
>> > "umsalte2@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mystery)" that this is a "Westerner"?
>
>(Justin Sullivan) writes:
>> You didn't get it? Poor fellow.. He certainly sounds like it. It's a
>western  
>> attitude, that's for sure. So with 'western' attitudes like that (and he's  
>> not alone, to be sure), it is, as I said.. Small wonder orientals call  
>> Westerners 'barbarians!'

Oh, yes, and the Oriental 'Sex Tours' and other immature things never
happen.

I agree with whoever said 'its everywhere.'  But i would also like to
add that its personal also.  Each person determines if he or she is
sexist, not the culture (though its role should not be ignored).

For every charge against 'Western Culture' (whatever the hell that is),
there is an equal or equivalent charge against 'Oriental Culture' (whaterver
the hell that is).

Anyway, its probably just those crazy Manitobans! ;)

-- 
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From: sakai@csa.bu.edu (Tsutomu Sakai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What do most of Japanese think of Korean (Re: An open letter..)
Date: 23 Aug 92 20:04:10 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <2455@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi) writes:
>
>>Why are the "*jins" degrading? Do they have any specific negative definition?
>
>Sure, they aren't Japanese! That's enough, isn't it? 
>
>Only (half) kidding :-) But if you look back at what was said by
>somebody said about being "pure" Japanese, I think you can get the idea.

     I think what Mr. Dave said was mesleading.  "JIN" in Japanese means
"human(s)" and "people", etc.  For instance, Japanese call themselves
"nihonJIN."  The idea is like "America - American" and "Foreign -
Foreigner."  Nothing related to "pure" Japanese.  No negative meanings,
either.

>Some students returning from abroad (due to their father being sent
>there for a few years but the company) can also be called '*jin' as
>some people don't think they are fully Japanese anymore.

     Returned students are called "Kikoku Shijo", where "Kikoku" means
"(to) return to (home) country" and "Shijo" means "children."  I can't
think of any '*jin' word that refers to them. 

>Dave
						----- sakai@csa.bu.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.history
From: xiong@fzi.de (Xiong Xun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Question about the chinese name of a japanese car
Keywords: Subaru
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:17:09 GMT
Reply-To: xiong@fzi.de
Organization: Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI), Karlsruhe, Germany

Hi, Anyone there could tell me the corresponding chinese name of the japanese
car "SUBARU" made by the firm Fuji Heavy. I know already for example:


TOYOTA       ===>        &                         
       &&&         &          &  
       &&   &      &&&&&&&&&&&&& 
  &&&&&&&&&&&&     &&   &&   &&  
       &&          &&   &&   &&  
       &&          &&   &&   &&  
       &&  &       &&   &&   &&  
   &&&&&&&&&&      &&&&&&&&&&&&  
       &&          &&   &&   &&  
       &&          &&   &&   &&  
       &&    &     &&   &&   &&  
 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&    &&   &&   &&  
       &&          &&&&&&&&&&&&  
       &&          &&        &&  
       &&          &         &   
       & 


and 


MISUBISCHI    ====>                
                        &&  &&     
            &     &&&&&&&&&&&&&& 
   &&&&&&&&&&&        &&  &&     
                        &&       
                    &&&&&&&&&&   
                        &&       
           &       &&&&&&&&&&&&  
    &&&&&&&&&         &&   &&    
                    && &&   &&&& 
                  &&   &&&&&& &  
                      &&   &&    
                     && & &&     
              &     &&   &&      
 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&   &    &&&&     
                      &&   &&&&& 
                    &&       && 


But SUBARU  (I've bought it just recently!)  ====> ????????????


Thanx in Advance! Please email me!


X.X.
From: yunson@lpf.umd.edu (Yunson Du)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Followup: Chinese communists & Japanese Imperial Army
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:53:11 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <2551@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>The other person is now about 55 and was thus 10 at the time: he
>remembers begging chewing gum from American G.I.'s in the streets of
>Osaka. He said that a few years ago NHK had a special TV documentary
>on the infamous Marco Polo brigde incident in which it was claimed
>that after some shots were fired, the local commander looked around
>and found 2 or 3 of his men missing. While actually they had gone to
>take a piss (always a good idea under stress :-), he reported them
>missing to his commander and the commander ordered him to open fire.
>The Chinese nationalists claimed that no shots had been fired, but
>later, according to a secret document, it was shown that the Chinese
>communists had fired the shots to bring the JIA into their war
>against the nationalists. He says further evidence can be found in
>//Sekimatsu Kara Mita Daitoa Senso// (loosely translated as "The
>Great East Asia War: Views from the End of the Century") and
>contains a collection of articles by various professors at Japanese
>universities. 

Again, this is a version of Japanese. As I remember, this 
incident was prepared by the Japanese secret agent to find
an excuse to invade the rest of China. There are enormous
history books to support this. Actually, that is long-practised
way to justify the invasion. If that version was carried in
the Japanese history books, then this is another 
seriously-distorted piece of history of WW2.

Why? See Japan had prepared the war for quite a long time.
They prepared for what? They knew there would be an incident 
soon. That is why immediately after the incidents, Japanese
bombers came over Beijing, bombing the city for hours and
Japanese infantry army rushed in and took the nationalists's
army by surprise. In a matter of days, nationalists's army
was totally defeated and withdraw. For a war of that scale,
preparation msut begin several months ahead. 

Japanese people, after suffering of the war, were just easy
to believe all of that kind of cover-up. 

Cannot say more.

Yunson Du
University of Maryland
College Park, MD
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:34:51 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:

>In article <2494@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>>shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>>
>>>In article <1992Aug25.040806.3255@ducvax.auburn.edu> kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:
>[......] 
>>
>>Yesterday, I summarized what has been said recently here for the
>>benefit of the 15 members of discussion group I lead in Osaka. They
>>pointed out that ITHO (In Their Humble Opinion) the Emperor is going
>>to China at the request of the current Chinese governent. Further,
>>they said that the original entry of the JIA into China was at the
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>request of the then rebel, now current communistic government in
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>order to defeat the nationalists. 
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Argh!  The "invitation"  the Chinese Communists gave JIA was a
>declaration to offer alliance with all Chinese to resist Japanese
>Aggression into North East China and Shanghai during 1931-32.
>Funny the official tone of JIA in WWII is that they were in China to
>help the Nationalists(nobody asked them of course)  stamp out the 
[* automatic flame detector deletes pejorative words *]

Very interesting. Could you supply a reference? 

BTW, according to my informants, the JIA was there to help the
communists, not the nationalists. 

>Some people might think this is an invitation to invasion,
>I certainly don't.   Next thing they will say the Americans invited
>Japanese pilots to a sky tour of Pearl Harbor, and a luxury cruise to 
>Midway and the tourists partied out of hand and destoryed some boats
>and planes.    

Some sources say hint that Roosevelt tricked the Japanese into
attacking Pearl Harbor. If you doubt that this is so, please check
//Life// Magazine, September 24th, 1945, page 110:

  For a long time the offical explanation  of Pearl Harbor was
  that we were slugged  without warning when we were innocently
  going about our business. Slugged we were, and there is no need
  to pallitate the Japanese behavior. But to say that we were 
  slugged without warning is a radical distortion of the truth;
  Roosevelt, ... knew in advance that the Japanese were going to
  attack us. There is even ground for suspicion that he elected to
  bring the crisis about.

Note: My point is *NOT* that Japan *was* tricked, only that some
people had suspected so and the included //Life//.

[* long quote without any following comment omitted *]

Dave

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