From: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Voicing opinion==Fanatical? Re: Amiga can still be rescued
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:21:57 GMT
Reply-To: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Jul30.170823.42015@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>In article <33838@cbmvax.commodore.com>, bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul29.135052.41982@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>> 
>> [ much idealistic, upper case, yelling into the wind about unchangeable
>>   facts of life deleted ]
>
>tee, hee.  Now he'll bash GNU.-);

Heh. On target, there.  I used to be an idealist but then I spent some
time in real life outside of college/university life.  Tempers one, let me
tell ya.

>>>If the Amiga is in such a weak state that an Amiga fanatic like myself
>>>who leads a user's group, is a developer, and takes every opportunity
>>>to convey the good points (as well as the short comings) of the Amiga
>>>as an effective computer tool then I must say it is certainly way
>>>past any rescue attempt... 
>> 
>> Read that sentence again. Does it make sense? What factor(s) do you
>> describe that you say make the Amiga "past any rescue attempt" ?

>Brian please do read it again. 
 
I did. As written in makes/made no sense. I knew what you meant. I just
wanted to point out that Amiga "fanatics" would do well to rethink and edit
what they write/say before they write/say it.

 "If the Amiga is in such a weak state that an Amiga fanatic like
  myself..."
  
  If what?  Complete the thought with which you began.

>I said IF Marc Barrett or James Miller 
>relative nobodies are going to kill the Amiga by pointing out that You 
>are underfunded and understaffed for development, have indequate and 
>ineffective advertising (maybe it's getting better but there's much 
>improvement to still be made, IMO), and looks very juvenile by making 
>impassionate pleas to its users to tell everyone in the medai world that 
>none of these problems exist then YES this our opinions expressed or 
>not were immaterial to the already significant decay in public 
>opinion.  Gosh give me an ego rush there, making me think I was 
>significant and all...-);

-MB- and his like are self-appointed "loud frogs in little ponds".
They get ego boosts from having people respond to their postings. It's a
cry for recognition. If everyone would quit responding to them, they
would go away in search of more fertile fields.

>I that clearer?  Besides I'm not in a position to change management
>decisions, and the only other people reading this group already are
>familiar with the Amiga. 
 
That's what so many folks on the net don't seem to realize - you are
preaching to the converted. WE know how great the Amiga is and WE agree
that more (any?) advertising would be nice.  We are with you in spirit,
I assure you.  

>> There is a point at which Amiga "fanatics" (as you describe yourself) hurt
>> the Amiga more than help it.  Yelling across the net about how things
>> -ought- to be ("If I were king") accomplishes little to nothing.  

>How can a few college students' opinions  be more detrimental than a
>company policy of apathy towards a whole continental market?l

I didn't say or mean that. I was simply pointing out that such discussions
preach to the converted and if it's voiced to "folks in general" they
quickly turn you off. It's like having Jehovah's Witnesses show up at the
door day after day. That does not do the Amiga any good. Altogether too
many folks have altogether too much of their egos tied up in this thing.
They have become "religious" fanatics.  These are the folks who flame
Pournelle when he doesn't write about the Amiga and then flame him again
when he does and (gasp) finds things that he doesn't like.  People respond
positively to -positive- reinforcement. You need to say a few -good- things
now and then or you are quickly tuned out. And that does -not- help spread
the word.  It's a BOX, folks. Sheesh.

>I never characterized myself as a fanatic. 
 
   "If the Amiga is in such a weak state that an Amiga fanatic like
   myself..."                                          ^^^^^^^
 
Your words. not mine. :)
 
>The Amiga is valuabe tool for me as well as many I know.  

And not for me????

>If recognition of the fact makes you a fanatic then every Amiga owner is 
>one.  

Every? Idealism raises it's head again :)

Hey, I moved from wonderful, sunny Southern California to live here and
work on the Amiga.  Everyone in software engineering (and most of hardware
eng, too) is here because they love the machine. Period. 

>If speaking your mind to an
>audience who is capable of dicussing issues objectively makes one a
>fanatic then at least every American's right to be a fanatic is
>protected by the constitution.

"Objectively" ??? On the NET ??!!  Hahahaha. Damn, you ARE idealistic :)

>
>Thanks for posting Brian.  I wish it had been someone from advertising
>or mangement saying the next Amiga was "revolution" would be in one of
>these areas.  BTW when is SANAII due for release?  Will there be
>drivers for scsi, parrell, & serial available soon?

The final SANA-II spec was released about 2 months ago now. There will be
slip/cslip and possibly parallel drivers.

>jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
>James Miller

Brian

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