HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: Split soc.culture.british
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:10:07 GMT

In article <92320.145057X68147@BARILVM.BITNET> Danny Rothenberg <X68147@BARILVM.BITNET> writes:

>Has anybody got the rules, if any, for Mornington Crescent.  I have
>never been able to work it out :-((((

This should definitely be in the FAQ.

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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Thatcher urges Israeli students to unlock 'secrets of the universe'
Date: 21 Nov 92 06:48:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <1992Nov20.213010.1613@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis) writes:
>Matthew Huntbach writes:
>| [in reference to ..
>|  > Israel's leading university named a new science center after
>|  > former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher,
>| ]
>| Readers might suggest some other equally suitable names they could
>| attach to "centers".
>| "The Jack the Ripper Women's Rights Center"
>| "The Ayatollah Khomeini center for freedom of speech"
>| "the Jean-Marie Le Pen center for racial understanding"
>
>If I get your drift, Matthew, I would assume you think Maggie T. was
>ignorant of/strongly opposed to science.  She probably knows more
>chemistry than the entire London School of Economics.
>
No. I am well aware that Lady Thatcher has a chemistry degree
from Oxford, and that she played a seminal role in inventing
soft ice-cream. She also switched from Chemistry to Law for
probably the same reason she switched from Methodism to
Anglicanism, and from speaking with a northern accent to her
ludicrously fake upper-class southern accent. But this is not
what I am referring to.

Anyone who is involved in scientific research in the UK will
know of the very serious effect of cuts in government backing
for science funding which took place while she was PM. Students
with First Class degrees cannot get studentships to take a PhD,
they are now so scarce. Alpha-rated research proposals cannot
get grants from the Science and Engineering Researc Council.
The pay of academic researchers has risne by 4% in real terms
since the first election of Thatcher as PM. Average salaries
for everyone have risen by about 45%.

Matthew Huntbach
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Fish and chips
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:13:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov23.191331.545
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Nov23.135355.3583@its.bt.co.uk> tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.032022.24974@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>>Over here at Sun, we have a bottle of malt vinegar on the 
>>condiment rack.  I was pretty impressed by that.  
>
>A good start, but it should really be non-brewed condiment for that
>authentic flavour. 
>

You can't have everything for free.  They have real lemon wedges
instead of packets of reconstituted lemon juice too.  The normal
tacky US restaurant would have the latter.  

Still, all is not lost for the connoisseur.  An UK import shop
lies just up the freeway, and they sell NBC.  At home we're lazy
and just use regular old vinegar.  Malt vinegar is a bit trendy
and costs more.  I grew up just using vinegar anyway.

Vinegar is a relatively unknown condiment for the average American
unless it is involved in a mixture of stuff (a la sweet & sour sauce
and tomato ketchup).  A lot of our friends used to freak out when our 
daughter was a toddler - her favorite snack was salt & vinegar flavor
crisps/chips.  Still is.  She was in snack heaven in the UK.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:16233 soc.culture.canada:8716 sci.research.careers:1514
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:10:13 EST
From: K. Roper <ROPERK@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
 <92324.0401382893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <19NOV199217133507@sscvx1.ssc.gov>
 <92325.1432022893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>

(I've seen less snarling at PMS clinics ...)

Lighten up:  if you think your opponent is sooooo stupid, why do you
       respect his opinion enough to argue?  You've each made your
       points; the rest is just gratuitous broadcasting.

Just what *are* you trying to accomplish with this bickering, anyway?


Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:23:55 GMT

In article <92324.1047372893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, andy
<2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
|>> I'm new to this group but.... is this guy for real!?!?
|>
|>No, he is not, he is actually a cartoon character put out by Warner Bros. to
|>try our patience:) Godfrey is one of those obsessive compulsive types who
|>is so overconfident and so insecure that he cannot deal with it when one
|>of his ideas is seen as unworthy of support by the National Research Council
|>thus he boils and boils and decides that not only is the entire National
|>Research Council stupid for not recognising his unique genius, but the
|>whole country is to blame. Thus he frequently posts irrelevant garbage
|>on canadian newsgroups in a vain attempt to heal his bruised ego by
|>striking back at the nation which shunned him and failed to see his true
|>genius. In short, he is a self-centred, egoistical crackpot who has a lot
|>of growing up to do.  Hope this answered your question:)
|>
|>
 But, surely, a man of his ilk need not be satisfied by whatever pittance
 the NRC might deign to throw his way? Could he not live like a king on
 the, undoubtedly huge, sums of money he must be getting from U.S. sources
 for his priceless insights into the world of science?

 Seriously though, thanks for the reply. I shall now adjust my kill file
 accordingly.

 Chris

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:13:00 GMT

In article <92324.0401382893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>           writes...
>In article <18NOV199218175442@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE
>GODFREY) says:
>>
>>In article <Bxxr67.Lws@DMI.USherb.CA>, turgd00@DMI.USherb.CA (DAVID TURGEON)
>>writes...
>>>In article <18NOV199212445009@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov
>>(LAURENCE
>>GODFREY) writes:
>>>BLABLABLA>(...)
>>>It seems that rather than endure my complaints about
>>>>their awful and intensely boring country, ...
>>>
>>>
>>>EXXXCUSE me... If you're not happy about it, change newsgroups....
>>>
>>>
>>>>So much for free speech in God's own country!  Anway, their attempt has     d
>>faile
>>>                            _:_
>>>                  Sorry Mr. GODfrey, didn't think you where so pretencious
>>
>>It's pretentious chum, and you're using it out of context in addition to
>>spelling it wrongly.
>>>
>>>
>>>>and if I were to stop using the vax in question there are many other places
>>>>from which I can access usenet.
>>>
>>>I'm sure you can SUCKUP to someone somewhere ...
>>>
>>Is this level of maturity characteristic of Canadian net users?
>>>>
>>
>>Laurence
>>
> 
>Laurence is mad because he had some sort of falling out with the
>National Research Council which wouldn't give him a grant for something.
> 
>He has as a result decided to launch a vendetta against a nation of almost
>30 million, specifically those of us on usenet. Perhaps it's time Mr Godfrey
>gets on with his life instead of living out his days shaking his fist at
>Canada, blaming an entire country for his troubles. Grow up Mr Godfrey, grow up

Once again, my dispute with NRC had nothing to do with a grant for anything.
I am grown up - do you imagine that only children get angry over injustices?

Laurence

Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:16124 alt.folklore.urban:29072
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Catholic/Anglican faith was(Can the Prime Minster be Catholic?)
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:29:21 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: cmh004@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Dave)
>Whats wrong with the idea of church unity even though catholicism can be
>described as a sub-religion of Christiananity. Even though Elizabeth I
>declared the CofE to be a protestant church, the CofE still subscribes to the
>catholic principles. I gather that the Holy Father believes that Women
>priests go againist the catholic religion - I have to disagree with him here.
>Yet there is somthing worse againist the catholic identity of the CofE in
>the pipeline - giving Holy Communion to people who are not
>confirmed!!!!#@*&&%%! Yes I disagree with that idea. If you are surgesting
>that the a church of the CofE is into extreme Evangelical activity
>wait until their local ArchDeacon knows about it. Yet I'll admit that
>there are people who do advocate it and in small doses its OK.
>Do you have somthing againist churches with orange posters outside - I quite
>like some of them "Jesus is for live - not just for Christmas".

There's nothing wrong with Church unity, but there is a lot
wrong with pretending to be all the same when you are not. It
appears to me that the CofE wants it both ways. It wants to be
catholic when that suits it, protestant when it's better that
way.

Now you complain about giving communion to those who are not
confirmed. Presumably, this means you don't want to give
communion to those who don't understand what it is all about.
Why then should you be so offended when the Catholic Church
doesn't want to give communion to someone whose understanding
of what communion is is radically different from what the
Catholic Church believes communion is?

The problem with the CofE is that it contains all sorts. Some
believe, like the Catholic Church, that it actually is receiving
Christ's body and blood. Some believe that it's just bread and
wine. If, like the Catholic Church, you have built a set of
rituals around the former belief, it is surely offensive to
give communion to those who don't agree with it. For them to
demand it is just the same as if you or I were to go along to
a Jewish or Hindu or any other ceremony and say "well I think
this is all a lot of rubbish, but I still demand that you let
me play a full part in this ritual with which I don't agree".

My comment about "dayglo posters" is that there are certain
marks on CofE churches which tend to indicate the theological
posiotion which they adopt. "Dayglo posters" and other sorts of
paraphernalia which one usually associates with Non-conformist
churches are a sign that the theology of that church will be
towards that of the non-conformists, or "Low Church".
Anglo-Catholic or "High church" churches on the other hand try
to make themselves look like Roman Catholic churches.

Matthew Huntbach
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:16132 soc.culture.canada:8648 sci.research.careers:1474
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:47:37 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
 <1992Nov19.151050.22174@bmers145.bnr.ca>

In article <1992Nov19.151050.22174@bmers145.bnr.ca>, passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA
(Chris Passier) says:
>
>In article <18NOV199212445009@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov
>(LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>|>Some of my Canadian readers have complained to the lab at which one of
>my accounts
>|>is based, in an attempt to have me prevented from using the vax from which I
>|>usually access usenet.  It seems that rather than endure my complaints about
>|>their awful and intensely boring country, they would rather try to construct
>|>a case for interfering with my legitimate work.
>|>
>|>So much for free speech in God's own country!  Anway, their attempt
>has failed,
>|>and if I were to stop using the vax in question there are many other places
>|>from which I can access usenet.
>|>
>|>Laurence
>|>
> I'm new to this group but.... is this guy for real!?!?

No, he is not, he is actually a cartoon character put out by Warner Bros. to
try our patience:) Godfrey is one of those obsessive compulsive types who
is so overconfident and so insecure that he cannot deal with it when one
of his ideas is seen as unworthy of support by the National Research Council
thus he boils and boils and decides that not only is the entire National
Research Council stupid for not recognising his unique genius, but the
whole country is to blame. Thus he frequently posts irrelevant garbage
on canadian newsgroups in a vain attempt to heal his bruised ego by
striking back at the nation which shunned him and failed to see his true
genius. In short, he is a self-centred, egoistical crackpot who has a lot
of growing up to do.  Hope this answered your question:)



>
>=======================================================================
>Chris J. Passier        |splish...splash...splish...splash...splish....
>passier@x400gate.bnr.ca |squeak....creak....squeak...creak...squeak....
>613.763.8909            |slap slap puff..slap slap puff..slap slap puff
>BNR, Ottawa, Canada     |.... aaahhhhhhhhhhh!              Just Tri It!
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Crime rates in Britain compared
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:11:40 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

rgep@emu.pmms.cam.ac.uk (Richard Pinch) writes:
: 
: I don't think that can be the only reason.  I have been perfectly safe
: walking around downtown Cairo late at night, an obvious tourist, clearly
: likely to be carrying a cash sum equivalent to several years income for
: the average Egyptian.  Can you imagine what would happen to someone who
: was clearly carrying several tens of thousands of dollars cash in the
: middle of the night in downtown New York?  Or central London?

Yes, I was puzzled by including Cairo in the dangerous list. It's a few
years since I last went there, but in the mid-80's you could wander
around all over the place, and an American woman friend of mine said she
felt MUCH safer than N.Y. (though that is hardly a recommendation).
Things may be a bit hairier now with the anti-tourism campaign of
sections of the ISlamic movement, but that's only politics, and what has
politics go to do with US . . .

My women students (some of them) also told me in IStanbul that the only
people they were frightened of on the streets at night were the cops,
who from time to time did rape young women. But this may have been
simply another rumour about one of the most unpopular police forces in
Europe.

Richard Pennell History NUS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: barba@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Barbara Nowak-Teufl)
Subject: Re: Windsor Castle
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:54:07 GMT
Organization: SIEMENS Austria Corp., A-1100 Wien, Gudrunstr. 11
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Gwyn Evans @ IME (evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com) wrote:
> 
>   I havn't got any details to hand but from what I remember on the 
> radio, it started in the Private Chapel, which was undergoing renovation
> work and spread quickly throughout a large part of the castle.  While
> there was major damage to the rooms, most of the paintings, etc were
> saved by chains of people passing them out hand-to-hand.

Well, this is monday and today we know that the Queen's private rooms including
the representation hall etc. have been heavily damaged.  I heard that the 
complete restitution of Windsor Castle will be financed at the public expense.

My question to the british netters: 
Do you all agree in paying for the Queen's private possess from your taxes?

P.S.: I personnally would agree in paying for the restitution of the 
      representation hall because it is used for official reasons in the
      States interest (Banquettes for foreign Statesmen etc.). But I would 
      also say that this depends on wether the annual appanage for the Queen 
      is also for maintaining the complete household. If I had to pay for 
      private rooms that are never show to the public I would be quite angry.
--
Barbara Nowak-Teufl 		barba@patty.gud.siemens.co.at
Tel. 0043 1 222 60171 5768	SIEMENS AUSTRIA  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: Splitting up s.c.b and debate on Uk.* groups going international, vo
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:34:19 GMT

In article <27533@dog.ee.lbl.gov> mike@frey.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:
>Craig Cockburn writes:
>>You assume everyone has kill files or an equivalent.
>>I don't.
>
>This is a disastrous handicap in coping with USENET -- some form of
>article killing has got to be in the basic toolbox.  Otherwise, it's
>like having a radio whose volume is permanently wired to "all the way
>up".  I always tell people in this situation to stop what they are
>doing & go find software that does the job.  Can this really be
>unavailable for the architecture or operating system you are using?

I have just looked at two extremes of shareware/PD newsreaders (Trumpet
for MS-DOS, and the CSDL newsreader for MVS/ISPF), and neither have kill
files.  I think they are a Unix invention.  Certainly they are implemented
at the client end and are nothing to do with the NNTP protocol.  So yes,
in general, kill files are unavailable.
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:00:08 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <CC.92Nov20113809@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:

>He didn't mean, of course, "a brand of modern-day English English".  Nobody
>disputes that Scots, ne Inglis, is an Anglo-Saxon language.  What is in
>dispute is whether it's a branch of modern English or whether it's
>independently descended from old Anglo-Saxon "English", a rather different
>language.  Those in the know seem to prefer the latter theory, I've heard.

Exactly. A lot of this "is Scots a language or a dialect" is tripping
over the cladistic/phenetic categorisation distinction, i.e., whether
linguistic classification should depend only on degree of current
similarity, or on history. In the case of Scots, we have a language
independently evolved from similar roots which is now evolving closer
to English of the British variety. It is moot whether the amount of
difference exceeds that of the more extreme English dialects; the
point however, is that Scots got as like English as it is by
converging, rather than becoming as different as it is by diverging.
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Just a quick question
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:29:36 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <1992Nov13.024614.11980@Princeton.EDU> bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
>Do you have a citation of "fined 10 groats, F.U.C.K." before 1503?  The

I'm afraid not. The story I heard gave the impression that it was a
fairly new discovery, following examination of some old church records.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: The Scarlet Letter
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: soc.culture.british
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:19:14 GMT


	Am I to understand that before 1983, a child born in the U.K.
	of a British father and non-British mother became a British
	citizen/subject/object/verb when born "out of wedlock" if the
	father acknowledged paternity?  Am I to understand that the
	Nationality (or whatever) Act changed this, and if so, how?

	In addition, if a non-British woman has a child by a British
	father, does this give the woman any right of residence in
	the U.K., or indeed, any rights at all?

	Alec.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:15964 alt.folklore.urban:28724 misc.legal:20017
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Britain doesn't have a Constitution (Re: An astonishing Guy)
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 03:08:31 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Nov11.211840.2834@twg.com> nolan@twg.com writes:
>
>In article <82Bd02nJ2a7101@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:
>[legal stuff miraculously disappeared]
>|>In the interest of higher quality answers, I'm adding misc.legal to the 
>|>newsgroups line (but why is a.f.u there?).
>		   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Because Pinkie posted the original article there. He's engaged in flushing out
>lurkers.
>
>ObUL: Trelford Pinkerton is really a closet Brit

Actually he's a closet something much more sinister and Dutch sounding 
than that.

Derek "Isn't Trelford Pinkerton an Acronym for something" Tearne 


-- 
Derek Tearne.   --   derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz   --    Fujitsu New Zealand   -- 
Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
From: eo@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Emma Osman)
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Fixed Term Parliaments
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:54:40 GMT
Reply-To: eo@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Emma Osman)
Distribution: uk
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <ALTI.92Nov23163748@tanera.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Thorsten Altenkirch writes:

[re the current system whereby the government can call an election whenever
it thinks it's most likely to win]

>  Is there really somebody in favour of this sort of political gambling?

Apart from the Tory party, you mean? I've certainly never found anyone to
argue in favour of it - at least, not after initial knee-jerk reactions of
"but we never did it that way before" (the governmen't usual response to
any good idea which might threaten its monopoly of power) have been brushed
aside.

Maybe *this* is an electoral reform that Labour and the Lib Dems can
agree on?

Emma



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