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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator)
Subject: Re: New Warriors Discussion
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:29:53 GMT

In article <Bu60x1.HGq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly) writes:
>marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:
>
>>>I am now back to not being all that impressed.  I don't like the changes that
>>>have been made since issue #25.  For one thing, I don't think Fabian should
>>>have gotten rid of Marvel Boy.  I was looking forward to seeing the
>>>relationship between him and Firestar slowly deepen over time.  (BTW, does
>>>anyone know if there are any plans to bring him back soon?)  
>
>>From what I have seen of Fabian's work, he rarely does anything to the
>>Warriors without a reason.  He also has a habit of setting up plots
>>waaaaaay in advance.  I have little doubt that we will see a New and
>>Improved Marvel Boy (Man?) eventually and further romance with FireStar.
>>Incidentally what ever happened to the plans to change Firestars
>>costume?  It desparately needs updating.
>
>Maybe he could have Bush pardon Marvel Boy in a desperate attempt to 
>get the Superhero vote?
>
>Axly
>
Yeah, and I could see Vance _turning_him_down_cold!_  

In truth, much could be made of a storyline dealing with him in the vault.
To my knowledge, all we see of the vault is a bunch of faces being kept behind
high tech security, sitting, doing nothing.  It would be very awesome if 
we could see what life is like, from Marvel Boy's point of view, if only
for brief glimpses.
	I could also see them trusting Vance enough to leave his powers 
enabled, thus being a hell of a wild card in case of a break-out.

	"At last, I, the Wizard, after saving two years worth of gum wrappers,
twinkie cream, and bellybutton lint, and watching a mind numbing amount of
MacGyvers, have built my ultimate weapon!"
	The force screen keeping him in fades, and he runs out.  Vault troops
find their weapons inactive.  The Wizard passes by many supervillans in 
confinement, refusing to release them.  "You laughed at me...you ALL laughed 
at me."
	He uses the strange item to blow a hole in the wall.  "Now, onto 
WORLD CONQUEST!"  He jumps through the hole...or almost does.  His forehead
connects with a telekinetic punch, and he finds himself reeling back.
	"Whaaat?"
	The item flies from his hands, into the grip of the Vault guards.
"Back into the cell, peon!" a voice cries out.  The Wizard is picked up,
and floated back into his cell, screaming all the while. 
	The voice continues, "Now, Mad Thinker, who do you think the third
Aardvark is again?"  "Well, Vance, it's quite simple..."

-- 
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From: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: cable/stryfe/mr.sinister
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:06:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Sure it's possible...  But theoretically, a clone of Cable would not have the
_exact_ same scar in the _exact_ same place with the _exact_ same cybernetics!
In theory, at least, if Stryfe were a clone of Cable, he would be a physically
perfect (unmarked by scars, cybernetics, etc.) copy.  Therefore, Stryfe is
_not_ a clone of Cable, or vice versa.  But I like the Cable/Stryfe/Mr. 
Sinister deal... But it'll never happen.

__NOVA__
______________________________________________________________________________

"We ask the stars `Why?'
 We question our lot...
 The heavens open wide 
 And reply, `Why not?'"
	--Henry "Beast" McCoy 
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From: MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (mason hart)
Subject: Re: Excal. #55 questions
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:42:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.100826.5165@gw.wmich.edu>
x89celio@gw.wmich.edu writes:
 
>Questions about the fanastic issue #55:
>
>1. Didn't Jamie already know Kitty's "strings" were "slippery" from their
>encounter during the Cross-time Caper?  Of course, if he forgot and was
>surprised, that's probably why she was able to escape this time.
 
It's unclear how much awareness the Jamie of Earth 616 had of the
alternate timestream where Excalibur fought his double.  That he
could interact with it in some fashion is plain -- after Kitty
escaped through the Widjet-gate, she witnessed the battle from this
side:  Jamie playing with his toys, and suffering second-degree burns
when his alternate self was struck by Meggan/Havok.  Personally, I
don't believe he was consciously aware of the actual battle, and thus
would not remember Kitty's "slippery" nature.
 
>2. When was Dai's wife established as a clairvoyant?  I would think
>Alistair would be the first one to sense trouble with his twin sister,
>as was inferred during the 'Lightning Squad'/Nazi Excalibur issues (Nazi
>Callisto and Moira surprise Alysande, and over in the other room Alistair
>breaks off in the middle of a sentence and tells Dai his sister's in danger).
 
That isn't Dai's wife.  That's Emilia Witherspoon, a clairvoyant
known to Dai through her reputation at Scotland Yard.  She worked
with commander Thomas and Excalibur in the Necrom story.  She first
appeared in issue 44.  Dai's wife died a long time ago (see "Pictures,
Puzzles, and Pawns" in the Captain Britain trade paperback).
 
 
"if it don't kill you, it can only make you stronger."
-- mason hart, rice u.
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:00:14 -0400 
From: Gregory James Legowski <gl11+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Spider-Man is joining the X-Men!!

Ok, this thread brings up a question about the Marvel "Universe" that's been
bugging me in the back of my mind for a while:

One of the major plots in the X-books is the "mutant hatred"/prejudice stuff,
right?  Well, how does the average "everyday" person in the Marvel Universe
know who's a mutant and who's not?  How is Joe Schmoe on the corner supposed
to know that Spider-Man, for example, got his powers from being bitten and
isn't a mutant himself?  Marvel writers seem to ignore the possibilities
here -- a non-mutant hero who gets the same treatment as the mutants because
people can't tell the difference...  For that matter I think the entire mutant
hatred thing isn't done very well anyway, but that's another subject entirely
:-)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:41:14 EDT
From: <ECN101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Bishop:Too good For Xmen?

Is it my imagination or does it seem like everyone is getting on Bishop's case?
Can anyone tell me why the rest of the Gold Team are treating Bishop like a rav
ing Pyschopath?

It seems to me that his methods, albiet a tad too rough, work well enough.  May
be it's time for bishop to join X-Force.
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men Cartoon
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:08:50 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280

>>>>> On 7 Sep 1992 04:29:54 GMT, bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau) said:


bc751> I've been looking for the X-Men cartoon all weekend(Labor Day).
bc751> When is it supposed to air?

Last I heard September 12th.
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From: mmunoz@vxcrna.cern.ch (MUNOZ,MARC./DG)
Subject: Cable is Nathan Summers?
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:09:00 GMT

Only a terrible idea I've this morning:
Maybe Cable is Doug/Warlock-Doulock?

               MArc
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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: New Warriors Discussion
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 10:45:29 EDT

I'll start off by saying that I was a very reluctant convert to the New
Warriors.  I only found out about this book at issue #10, and after reading
it, I wasn't all that impressed.  However, I gave it a few more chances, and
quickly became hooked.  I would read each issue almost before I left the
store with it.
 
I am now back to not being all that impressed.  I don't like the changes that
have been made since issue #25.  For one thing, I don't think Fabian should
have gotten rid of Marvel Boy.  I was looking forward to seeing the
relationship between him and Firestar slowly deepen over time.  (BTW, does
anyone know if there are any plans to bring him back soon?)  Also, I'm
not thrilled with Darick Robertson's art.  I really miss Bagley's
pencilling.
 
What does everyone else think?
 
 
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From: cbuteau@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher W Buteau)
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Subject: Claremont
Date: 10 Sep 1992 14:28:12 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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	Howdy folks don't have any information but have some questions.
First of all let me state for the record I'm a diehard Claremont fan.
I think it was because when a new storyline would start you could go 
waaaaaay back into your back issues and find the origin of the story.
Plus I loved when he fucked around with the characters.  Seriously folks 
there are tooo many mutants.  Kill some of them off (yes even my favorite ones)
because lets face it in any war there are casualties.  (No Grenada does not 
count as a war).    Anyways enough rambling here's my two questions.

1. Where is that post someone promised about Claremont's future plans for the 
X-Men???? (mail it to me if you don't want to post it) 
I'm at cbuteau@wpi.wpi.edu

2. Does anyone know about the rumor that Claremont is going to do a book for
Image?  Is there truth to this? Who's drawing? What's the title? When is
it due out?

Well if you can help thanks but if you can't then 
to hell with ya!
Later

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From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: non-Mutant X-Men!!
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:49:21 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Sep10.191735.8421@cis.ohio-state.edu> simpkins@skink.cis.ohio-state.edu (todd simpkins) writes:

>>>The only non-mutant to be an X-Man was Mimic.
>>
>>I always thought Mimic was a mutant.  And what about Longshot?  He's an alien,
>>not a mutant.

>What about Binary?  She was a member for an issue or so I think...

No. Binary was never an Xman. (Xwoman?)
She just 'hung out' for a couple of issues.

					James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: The Claremont Files are Coming (was Re: (More) proof Cable is Natha)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:38:22 GMT

>balls to make it so. Even if Claremont would have left his plot line for the
>new X-makers to use, would they have used it? nope.
>
Don't be too sure! heh heh heh

----SCAVENGER


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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Excalibur #56
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:46:21 GMT

>> I don't believe that Davis is doing the art in the upcoming and overdue
>> "What is the %$#@ing connection between Nightcrawler and Mystique?"
>This is a real comic book, that is *really* going to be on shelves???
>YES! I've been waiting for that one to be resolved for....um...hmmm....
>a lot of years....:)
>

Are you sure this is actually gonna reveal anything?  As I recall, it's
just gonna have mystique in it. (The first time that her and Nightcrawler 
have met since....)  I also belive that Lobdell is writting it.  He'll 
prob. butcher it like he did the potentialy good Wolvie/Nightcrawler story
(which IMHO compleatly ruined the whole basis of Nightcrawler's origins but
I'll bitch about that later.)

Besides I'd heard that at some point Davis and CLAREMONT were gonna do an
Excalibur special that delt with this. 
 
Did you know that Terry Kavanaugh is concidered by many pros (like Claremont
and Byrne) to be one of the nicest and best editors at Marvel?

----SCAVENGER saying let's kill Harris and give Kavanaugh the job!


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From: lazarus@interceptor.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Spider-Man is joining the X-Men!!
Date: 11 Sep 1992 01:24:08 -0500
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In article <1992Sep10.202806.25388@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>>>And what about Longshot?  He's an alien, not a mutant.
>>Yes, Longshot is a mutant of his own race... one of the few with true free will!
>Since Longshot is a geneticly engineered being, he can't be a mutant 'cause he
>doesn't have parents to differ from.

It was explained that way, and also that his "maker" made sure that his genetic
structure was different from the rest of his "family"...

>>The same went for Warlock of the New Mutants, whose mutation allowed him to feel
>>compassion where the rest of his race lacked that trait.
>This was a stupid theory that Jo Duffy created for Fallen Angels.  
>Someone decided that to be in an X-group you had to be a mutant so they 
>explained Warlock that way.

If anything, the "theory" was only invented for the Fallen Angels storyline.  And,
it DID seem to work... SOMETHING had to make Warlock different from the rest of
his cache and Magus...

>-----SCAVENGER
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From: lazarus@venture.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The new X-Force and U.X-Men
Date: 9 Sep 1992 02:10:16 -0500
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In article <1992Sep5.071742.15574@news.columbia.edu>, jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox) writes:
>  Well, Magma and Empath will be showing up in New Warriors in a few
>months, so hopefully Fabian will have the brains to bring them back to
>X-Force.

If anything, I was thinking that Magma would return as an X-Man...

>  Now if only they'd follow up the last panel of the X-tinction
>Agenda...I want Doug and Warlock back!

Although I THOROUGHLY hated the way that Warlock, as a character, was merely
squandered as a casualty in the X-STINKtion Agenda, I believe that he should STAY
dead... the same holds for Doug Ramsey.  As someone else pointed out, the 
revolving door theory of death in the Marvel Universe truly SUCKS, a plot device
that if (WHEN!) I start writing for comic books, will NOT be used.  (Okay, maybe
for just ONE character, but then again, his POWER is to come back from the 
dead...  >;)   )  

>(That would leave just Dani and Illyana to de-Weezie-ize,

My theory on Illyana?  Give her a few years, and her mutant talent (the teleport
disks!) will emerge for real.  And this time, with Belasco out of the picture, I
believe that she won't have to traverse ""Limbo"" to get anywhere... she'll be
able to 'port any damn where she pleases!  :)  (Speaking of Limbo, Shadowcat
deserves the Soulsword!!!!!!!)

>and Shan to resolve danglers (I heard she's appeared in recent Wolverines?  Can
>anyone give a brief plot summary?) 

Well, Karma's appeared off and on in Wolvie's title.  She's in the service of her
uncle in Madripoor, and he's supposedly looking for her little brother and sister.
It's an old, tired plot twist, that I wish to hell they'd hurry up and resolve!

>before the whole real New Mutants are back, all ready for Chris Claremont to
>start writing them after Marvel fires Bob Harras.  [Right.])
>
>Jonathan Lennox
>jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu

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From: clark@netcom.com (Sue Clark)
Subject: Re: Excalibur #56
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 06:40:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (mason hart) writes:

>In article <c8vn2hr.dani@netcom.com>
>dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> 
>>I'll admit that I *could* have survived a few more pages without
>>being told that Psylocke's psychic knife was the focused totality
>>of her telepathic abilities...  (On the other hand, Davis gets
>>points for working Crocodile Dundee, Monty Python, *and* that chestnut
>>into a single frame.)
> 
>Very true.
> 
>I can forgive the "focused totality" schtick in light of the
>following line ("it cuts a lot deeper than your banana").
> 
>My only concern at the moment is: how long can Davis keep up
>with a bi-weekly schedule?  I can't bear another return to
>gimp art, and I still have nightmares about Lobdell's writing.
>

I've heard that the next issue won't be by Davis.  (ie., he can't keep
up.)  Can anyone confirm?

Sue 
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From: debg@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ginsberg deborah)
Subject: Cable
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:16:10 GMT
Keywords: Cable


Did I imagine this, or did Cable's computer refer to him as "Nathan" in an
early issue of X-Force?  If so, this would be a pretty good indication
of his true identity.

Also, I thought I read something on this list about new X-creative teams.
Anything to this?

Debbie

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Claremont
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 17:28:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

"Michael J. Keating" <mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu>:
>Funny, all these years I though that Chris Claremont was a woman!  Are
>you sure that he(she's) not?

Is there any reason this writer can't be a woman? :)
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Spider-Man is joining the X-Men!!
Date: 10 Sep 1992 21:01:30 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <AefrwSi00WB_Qn9pQw@andrew.cmu.edu> gl11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gregory James Legowski) writes:
>isn't a mutant himself?  Marvel writers seem to ignore the possibilities
>here -- a non-mutant hero who gets the same treatment as the mutants because
>people can't tell the difference...  For that matter I think the entire mutant
>hatred thing isn't done very well anyway, but that's another subject entirely

	Well, there were a couple of throwaway lines in the first few issues
of X-factor (when they were still "mutant busters") where people wanted to 
call in X-factor as opposed to the Avengers or FF for similar reasons. 
But no, there hasn't been anything like that done.  (except once, I think,
someone mistook the Grey Hulk for a mutant, and called X-factor.)
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Subject: Fwd: Rachel
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
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Subject: Re: Rachel
Date: 5 Sep 92 03:55:34 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <UedZRQ600iUx05MkwJ@andrew.cmu.edu> mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Michael J. Keating) writes:
>While we're on the subject of Rachel...  Remember the storylines in
>Uncanny that involved a battle between Rachel and Wolverine over Selene?
> This storyline was never resolved!  For once, I wish the writers would
How do you figure it wasn't resolved?  Wolverine popped his claws thru 
Rachel's heart.  She used her TK to keep it beating while the X-Men battled
Nimrod.  She then got captured by Spiral, mind f**k by Mojo and joined 
Excalibur.  Since she was missing her memory for a while, she prob. didn't
remember Selene and Selene prob. didn't care enough to hunt Rachel down. 

---SCAVENGER


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What I mean is that the storyline was never resolved with respect to
Wolverine and Rachel, or between Rachel and the rest of the team.  She
just popped up in the annual a few years later and nothing was brought
up about the events which led up to her leaving the team.
From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Fwd: Rachel
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:42:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bu6123.HJJ
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana



Well, I kind of think dangling plotlines involving a character tend to
die with the character. Since she is effectively dead (until Marvel
decides to bring her back as a ratings ploy) I'd say that means all
the dangling plotlines are now kind of gone.

Axly