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From: rwt@stiatl.salestech.com (Roger Terrell)
Subject: puppy greets friends by piddling on them :-(
Organization: Sales Technologies, Inc.
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 15:01:56 GMT


My 4-month-old American Eskimo (spitz) puppy is wonderful in just about
every way, but he does one thing I don't know how to make him stop
doing:  Occasionally  he'll run to greet someone who has come into
my apartment, and he'll piddle on them in his excitment (he LOVES
meeting new people).

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to stop the liquid part
of this behavior?

Roger
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: cldavies@nyx.cs.du.edu (cindy davies)
Subject: Re: compromise btw crate & free roam?
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 21:50:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.190830.12368@hou.amoco.com> ztac18@hou.amoco.com writes:
>I'd like to hear some suggestions for cheap, humane ways to limit my
>dogs' access when left alone for extended periods, say, in the garage
>for a few hours.
>
>One of my dogs has a thing about closed doors (i.e., he can't stand
>them, so he eats them).  There are two in the garage.
>I guess what I'm looking for is some sort of
>a big crate/pen that will be sturdy enough for two 80-90 lb. doggies, yet
>cheap enough that I can afford to build it, and not so huge that the
>garage becomes a doghouse instead of my garage.  (No, they can't be left
>in the yard; they'll dig their way out.)  Thanks for any ideas.
>
>--Tom--
>

We used dexion. (you know that heavy metal stuff they make warehouse shelving
out of)  We cut it into pieces the size we needed, then bolted it together.
We covered the whole contraption with chicken wire.  We got the dexion from an
old warehouse that was about to be remodled, and we had the chicken wire and
bolts so all it cost us was the hack saw blades and blisters.  I don't have a
clue how much the dexion would cost to buy new, but if you have access to
gov't surplus... you might have some luck.

We built a "dog walk" that allows the dogs to go to and from the back yard via
the garage without having them loose in the garage with all of the hazards 
associated with anti-freeze, large doors that open and present dogs with
unbearable temptations, cars etc etc.

Today is the first day we have left the window to the house open with the
schnauzer home.  He usually goes to "Doggie day care" but Grandma is out of
town so he is being left alone with the run of the house ALL DAY. fret fret.
I wonder if I sould go home early...

Cindy
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From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: Constant criticism of Elaine (was Re: training problem <sigh>)
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:11:21 GMT

In article <ELF.93Jan4190741@ELF.cs.cmu.edu> Terri_Watson@cs.cmu.edu (Elfling) writes:
= 
= I see Elaine getting a great deal of criticism in this group, even
= when her postings do not warrant it.  I guess at some point she made a
= few enemies here & now any excuse for provocation suffices.  I would
= appreciate it if you guys could wait until she posts something WORTH
= flaming her for before trying to make her look bad.  Or at least
= change the subject heading (as I did) so that I can know to skip over
= it.
= 
= I do NOT want to become a pariah, and this is not a flame, I just want
= you to take a look at EACH message posted before trashing it on
= general principles.
= 
= Thanks,
= .Terri
= Companion to Amethyst Nausicaa O'Chancery (Tika) : Belgian Sheepdog

Well said, Terri!


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 6 Jan 1993 11:58:14 EST
From: <JFEERO@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Carpet Eating

About a month ago my dog had to go to the vets for constant vomiting.
It turned out, after two operations, a ten day visit, and a very
large bill, that he had eaten a great deal of what appeared to the
vet to be carpet. We did find signs where he had pulled up strings
of carpet. Since the rug was brown/black, it was difficult to see it.
The "wonder dog," as the vet calls him, is now back to normal. Even
though we've removed, trimmed, and taped our carpet, I'm still
nervous that the dog will do it again. He ate the rug in the first
place, I think, because he was sick to his stomach and was stuck
inside either during the day or sometime at night when we could not
let him out. We have tried different foods to see if that was
making him sick, and even though he hasn't been sick since then, I'm
afraid that there will come a time when he will be. Is there even a
solution? Someone once suggested I keep a pot of grass in the house
for cats who were eating my spider plant. Would this work to keep
my dog from eating the carpet? It's the first time I've ever heard
of a dog doing such a thing. If anyone has any similar experiences
or suggestions, please feel free to post! Thanks.

Jo.
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Need Thoughts on getting second dog
Date: 8 Jan 1993 23:09:10 GMT
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Kim Murphy (kmurphy@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu) wrote:
: We had two dogs when we had our son five years ago.  Never really had
: a problem.  In fact, most of the problems came from relatives who
: thought the dogs would turn on the baby and thought we should get rid
: of them.  As it turned out there was very little extra work (with the
: dogs that is).  We did have very mellow breeds though--Lab/Aust. Shep.
: mix and a husky.  The older dog (the mix) simply ignored the baby, and
: the husky was all excited about the new pack member.  He always wanted
: to see the baby, which we allowed under supervision, and he eventually
: settled down.  Now they act more like siblings.

: Kim Murphy

Now if we could only figure out how to get rid of relatives with these
attitudes. ;)

Karen
From: feffer@girtab.usc.edu (Justin Feffer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Wanted:  Quality Doberman Puppy
Date: 5 Jan 1993 16:34:25 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Hello,

I am looking for a quality male Doberman Pinscher puppy.  Preferably European
blood lines.  Both parents should be OFA rated with at least one rated
good to excellent.  In addition, one or both of the parents should hold 
Schutzhund or IPO titles. 

Justin Feffer
feffer@usc.edu
From: winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Breeding info
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:08:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1993Jan7.100655.590@news.wesleyan.edu>,
RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) wrote:

> In <2B4B62C2.25092@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu writes:
> 
><interesting stuff about linebreeding>
> 
>> The point of these types of breeding is to conserve the genes you
>> have.  It's like shuffling a deck of cards -- you get new
>> combinations, but are always using the same (Well, linebreeding
>> introduces new cards, slowly, and crossbreeding/outbreeding introduces
>> new cards all the time.)
> 
> This is interesting.  I had noticed that Buffer has a common ancestor on
> both her sire's & her dame's side (3rd & 4th generation), and I had sort
> of wondered whether this was a breeding error or what.  Especially since 
> Buffer is a Cocker Spaniel, which is not exactly a rare breed (!).  Now
> I see that it might have been a conscious breeding decision. Interesting.
> 
> Is this relatively common, for a dog to have at least one common ancestor
> on both sides within the last 3 or 4 or 5 generations?

In the show side of the Doberman world, it is unusual to see a pedigree
that does not have three or four common ancestors.  I am sure this is true
with most breeds show stock since line breeding and inbreeding are so
necessary to good breeding program.

Scott Winders
winders@aux.support.apple.com

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From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: Re: puppy mills
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:26:00 GMT

Is it the clerk's fault for working in the puppy mill pet store?  Well,
I treat the clerk like it's not their fault, but I must say, I think it's
a little their fault.  Yes, these are hard economic times.  No, everyone
does not have the same opportunities.  And no, I don't know what considerations
they had to include in their job choice.  But if a clerk is allowed economic
considerations as an excuse for being a part of the puppy mill industry,
why can't the pet store owner?  Perhaps he/she won't earn a decent living
without the income from the puppies that survive.  What about the person
who works for the puppy mills themselves, doing undescribably deeds every
day.  Is this person accountable for working in the puppy mill?  Furthermore,
ignorance, as an excuse, only goes so far.  I can forgive a random person for
not knowing about puppy mills, but a pet store clerk who has been on the job
more than a few months and is ignorant is decidedly turning a blind eye.
I'm polite to the clerk because I want them to pass the word along to the
decision makers.  And what I want them to pass on is that nice, normal,
ready to spend money customers are being lost.  But I must acknowledge,
social change comes as a result of all sorts of different approaches.  In
this case, I support almost any action--including quietly buying one's
pet supplies from another place.

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From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Alarm Dogs
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:41:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.152950.19649@dgbt.doc.ca>, michele@dgbt.doc.ca
(Michele Guillet) writes:
|>
|>>something is going on and I could investigate.  Therefore, I would
|>recommend
|>>a Cocker Spaniel to alert you to strangers (and other animals and
|>trucks and
|>>cars and butterflies and that damn wind, etc....) and/or keep people
|>away
|>>from the house when you are away.  
|>I wouldn't necessarly recommend a cocker spaniel as a watch dog, I
|>think other breeds are far more reliable. I do love cocker spaniels
|>but I don't think they make great watch dogs.

I'm afraid I must second this. Our Cocker, Baeki, hardly even barks unless 
someone knocks on the door or she is begging.  She's not a good watch
dog AT ALL, which is one of the many many reasons we got our GSD,
Siegfried. Baeki's also extremely friendly, loves everyone, runs
circles are any and every person she comes in contact with, smothers
anyone who gets down on the floor with her or at her height with
kisses.  She's just a very quiet dog!

Kay & Crew
From: mseppola@cgate.sait.ab.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dealing with Chewing
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:37:57 -0600
Organization: Alberta Colleges and Technical Institutes Co-Operative

I to had a big problem with a puppy that was approximately eight months old and
chewing.  My puppy "Hazzard" started chewing as soon as I brought her home.  At
first I only showed her what she did wrong and left the problem at that. 
However, her problem became more serious.  She destroyed a sofa, chair, and
carpet throughout an entire room.  I finally could not handle any more of her
disructive nature.  I enrolled her in obedience classes and thought that that
would be enough. Although she did gain a great deal from classes she did not
get over her chewing problem.  I tried more exercise and play time with her and
that seemed to help but, it did not stop completely.  Finally I did what I was
fearing i would have to do.  I bought a dog kennel, and now every time I go to
work or out for the evening she goes into her kennel.  At first she did not
enjoy being trapped, however she now thinks of it as a den.  I wish you good
luck in solving your problem, and i hope my suggestions helped.  You might want
to look into your house insurance, it might cover the damage that your god has
already done.  I know of cases where all of the damage was covered by
insurance.  Good Luck again.

Miles

SEPPOLA@ACD.MHC.AB.CA 
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From: Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca (Desiree Bradley)
Subject: Re: An Anti-Dog Trend Coming?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:03:35 GMT

> Diane Mathews writes:
> Msg-ID: <C0C6vv.4Ks@boi.hp.com>
>
> There are dog owners who don't handle their dogs well enough, and their
> dogs become neighborhood pests.  .......apartments, a lot of times it's the
> same w/ whatever pet a person chooses.  ........W/ housing at a premium
> .......the landlords get to be picky.  Mostly, though, i think that it's
> kind of a reactionary intolerance, .......  (I've seen developments that
> didn't want any children in them.)
>
> The most we can do is be a little tolerant ourselves, and be responsible
> owners.
>


I doubt that tolerance gets you anywhere in this world.  But what about some
political action?  Somebody must be pressing for "NO DOGS" signs in parks.
Still, I suppose dog owners have to be tolerant.  But, even though I don't
have a dog (but that's not my choice) I think that dog owners should find a
way to stick up for their best friends.  Our local SPCA goes on about
homeless animals but, as far as I know, the local SPCA has never made the
slightest hint to the effect that if landlords allowed pets there wouldn't be
so many homeless animals.
Unfortunately, you have a point about some dogs being neighbourhood pests.
And some dog owners not being good at handling dogs.  I don't think those
news reports of yet another pit bull attack are any help to making dogs
accepted.  Still, there are lots of dogs that haven't attacked anybody.

As for apartment landlords being picky and forbidding all sorts of pets, the
situation is about the same in a lot of condo (self-owned) apartments in my
area (Vancouver, B.C.).

Desiree Bradley
From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:41:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Too much praise?!?
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

Also, please note the difference between *praise* and *attention*.  While it
is true that attention is considered a positive reinforcement in itself, the
words you use for *praise* should, I believe, be reserved to mean "you just
obeyed me well.  You understood.  Great job".  

So maybe you could ask your wife to weed the words "good dog" out of her
vocabulary unless the dog has earned it.  She can still give lots of 
"you're wonderful and I love you" type of attention, but if you allow your
*praise* words to be used indiscriminately in all situations, your dog no
longer understands exactly what they mean.

If that's hard to do, consider picking some praise words that are different
than "good dog" or good boy..... perhaps "Perfect!" or "That's it!" or 
"atta boy!"  You can tie these to food rewards at first to establish them as
rewards.



Remember, if words are used consistently, dogs have the ability to distinguish
quite a large vocabulary!


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From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: brown noses  Re: (was Re:  Dogs & Chromium (was Re: Large Breeds Showing Age))
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:07:00 GMT


Let me take a guess about these brown noses in wintertime.  With no scientific
knowledge, I'm going to guess that it's a biological response to decreased
uv.  I do know that dogs' noses are susceptible to sunburn.  A very similar
process to melanin production is what is responsible for sunburn, so it's
quite possible.  The idea that northern breeds suffer more from it, sounds
likely, as well.  Here's a question to test the theory.  Do any dogs in
Florida, Arizona, etc. get this condition? 

On a different tack, I would only expect it in dogs that get a fair amount of
outdoor activity in the summer--their systems build up a dependence on this
minimal level of uv.


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From: sgoodman@shearson.com (Stacey Goodman)
Subject: Re: Brewer's Yeast?
Reply-To: sgoodman@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:34:31 GMT

Hi -

I have two labs and my breeder recommended brewers yeast.  She said it helps keep flees away and is good for the dogs.
From: kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Puppies Born!
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:18:32 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <19472@mindlink.bc.ca> Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop) writes:
>I just got a call from the breeder, my future Schnauzer baby was born on
>Friday! Four boys and three girls, all 11.5oz! I get to see them in four
>weeks...this is gonna be the longest 9 weeks in history :)

Congratulations Valaria!!!!  It's a girl!!!!!!  (And another girl, and another
girl, and a few boys too!)  :)

Keep us posted...got a name yet??

best wishes...Kelly and Opal too!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Speaking of breeding...
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:26:56 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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Speaking of breeding, I don't mean to sound extraordinarily ignorant, and I
think I know something about elementary genetics, but...

I have an acquaintance who breeds chocolate labs.  That is, she has three
bitches, who are all chocolate labs, and she breeds them only to other
chocolate labs.  But the puppies she gets are not all chocolates.  In fact, she
fairly often gets a couple of yellows in a litter.  Could someone explain this
in terms that make sense?  If 'yellowness' is a recessive gene (? is it?)
couldn't it be bred out of a line of chocolates?  I'm confused.  (BTW, her
chocolate labs are the *neatest* dogs...  one of her bitches is a 'therapy
dog' who works with adults temporarily hospitalized for depression and other
emotional crises. Apparently the staff claims that Dulce, the lab, is the best
therapist they have.)

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
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From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs & Chromium (was Re: Large Breeds Showing Age)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:36:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
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In a previous article, mayor@virga.larc.nasa.gov (Shalini Mayor) says:

>In article <1ib0v8INNp6r@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com>, akh@empress.gvg.tek.com (Anna K. Haynes) writes:
>|> Large or small, they age too fast.  I have a Lab who's about 6 years old &
>|> slowing down some, & what with the news on anti-aging effects of 
>|> chromium,  I put him on 100 mg/day 2-3 months ago.  And over that time
>|> he has gone from a black-noser to a brown-noser--no other ill effects that
>|> I can tell, but it's disconcerting.   Anyone with any info on chromium
>|> tolerance & optimum dosage levels for dogs?  If if works for mice & in theory 
>|> should work for humans, is there any reason it shouldn't also work for dogs? 
>|>  
>|> ---
>|> Anna K. Haynes  The Grass Valley Group, Inc. Grass Valley, CA  (916) 478-3691
>|>    <akh@empress.GVG.TEK.COM>  -or-  <...!tektronix!gvgpsa!empress!akh>
>
>
>Our golden, Minnie, just turned 2 (yrs) and we have had her for a year now. (I
>adopted her from GRREAT, i.e., Golden Retriever Rescue Education and Training)
>I noticed this fall that her nose color changed from black to a pinkish-brown.
>I am not giving chromium (atleast I am not aware of giving it) or any medication.
>I did change her food from Science Diet (SD) maintenence to SD light. Does anyone 
>have any idea why this happened?
>
>Shalini
>

I don't know anything about the chromium but a lot of dogs lose pigment in
their noses if they are fed from plastic bowls.  It also may be showing up
on the dogs lips.  I *think* that this is from an allergic reaction to some
of the chemicals used to form the plastic??  I can't say for certain
because my dogs have always eaten from stainless steel or crockery bowls.

Gail Brookhart
From: wagner@cs.unc.edu (Michael Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Adding to Pet Peeves
Date: 4 Jan 1993 14:03:06 -0500
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
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In article <1i4ec9INNh3j@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart) writes:
>
>
>On a side note, I recently had to shop for new homeowners insurance and my
>pet peeve is that I was questioned to find out if I owned an aggressive
>breed of dog.  The breeds specifically mentioned were German Shepherd Dog,
>Doberman Pinscher, Rottweiler, Chow Chow, and I believe they mentioned
>Akita and Boxer.  This really steamed me because it is an uninformed and
>reactive element of our society that is so eager to condemn before they
>understand.

I have seeb a number of posts along these
lines in my past couple of years of reading
this newsgroup.  Can anyone get to the
stats the insurance companies are using to
make these decisions?  Getting steamed may
be natural, getting information may be
educational.

For example, is it possible that while Goldens
and others breeds may bite a lot, the breeds you
mention may be proportionately over-represented
among breeds that do enough damage to cause a
claim against the owner that ends up in the
homeowner's insurance having to pay out.

While the insurance companies may be operating
out of ignorance or on anecdotal evidence, they
may be operationg based on some set of stats.
If they have stats, countering with one or two
anecdotes is unlikely to be convincing.  But 
accusing them of ignorance is equally likely to 
be unconvincing.

Just a few thoughts,

Mike

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