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From: Matt Barney <qmb@inel.gov>
Subject: Keeping a dog warm in a car
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X-Xxdate: Thu, 5 Nov 92 13:27:21 GMT
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 20:26:41 GMT

My wife and I are going to get a yellow lab puppy in a couple of
weeks and need some advice.

We like to go snowmobiling in the winter, and rather than leaving
the puppy at home or in a boarding kennel all day, we would like to
take the dog with us.  Our plan is to take him with us in the car to
the area we unload the snowmobiles and then leave him in the dog
carrier in our Ford Bronco while we are riding (usually about 5 or 6
hours), but we are concerned with how to keep him warm -- the
temperatures are typically around 20 degrees F.  Labs are supposed
to be very tolerant of the cold, but as a puppy, ours won't have the
body mass that an adult dog would to keep him warm.  Any suggestions
for heaters or blankets that would keep him comfortable while we are
gone?
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From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Story for someone who wants to say "OH NO!!!!!"
Date: 11 Nov 1992 13:06 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: world
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Keywords: uh oh is right
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

My wife says that a Rottweiler she had before we got together
once decided that a 4x8 timber from the landscaping would
make a good toy, so out it came...

We have been fortunate in that our Doberman never was really
destructive, except for a phase in which he air-conditioned
a garden hose about every other day.  A little extrapolation
showed that this could get expensive, so out came the jar of
Mongolian Fire Oil from the spice rack.  Fortunately it worked
pretty quickly, as he has since come to like hot peppers.

Our running argument is whether the dog or the cats have caused
more grief and destruction.  The dog certainly has the edge in
the sheer damage of any given incident, but the cumulative effect
of kitty claw-sharpening kinda sneaks up on you, and they have 
advantages in three-dimensional mobility that help keep the house
pleasantly free of expensive, dust-collecting objets d'art.  To say 
nothing of the one who used to inspect the cat food first thing in
the morning and editorially vomit if it was not to her satisfaction.

Pets enrich our lives in SO MANY ways (grr!  :)

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Lyme disease shots
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:58:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Nov9.195855.28476
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1dme8tINN974@eagle.natinst.com> jdietz@natinst.com (Jennifer Dietz) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.002759.2987@serval.net.wsu.edu> jeffp@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke - Vet med staff) writes:
>>
>>In any case, an indoor dog isn't going to be at great risk.
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I wouldn't be so sure.  My *indoor* dogs do go *outdoors* long enough
>...  So I'd have to say that
>  indoor dog <> no risk.

Sorry about the use of double negatives; must be confusing.  Restatement:
An indoor dog is at less risk.

For all infectious diseases, the amount of exposure increases the chance
of getting clinical disease.  The dog put out on cable to relieve itself
is at greater risk than the poodle carefully taken for a brief excursion
in the park, if the former is outside longer (assuming tick numbers to
be equal).  The dog kept out in a run all day long will naturally be at
greater risk.  There is no such thing as no risk - I suppose some homes
have Ixodes ticks living in them (somewhere there is probably such a
dwelling...).

---------------------
Jeff Parke <jeffp@vcs10.vetmed.wsu.edu>
also:   jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet     CIS: 71511,1512    AOL: JeffParke
Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994
Pullman, WA  99164-7012
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Off-Leash Area for Dog Owners
Date: 9 Nov 1992 10:04 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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Summary: Wherein someone who doesn't like taxes argues, guardedly, for them
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

One of the ideas of cities is that you tax everybody to provide services
which not everybody necessarily uses.  People whose houses never catch
fire help pay for the fire department.  People who don't have kids help
pay for the school system.  People who never go on picnics help pay for
the maintenance of the park.  People who never read help pay for the 
library (poetic justice, but I digress).  All these things are done 
because the people or their elected officials decided it was for the
common good.  It stands to reason that they might decide to fund a dog
park using, in part, the taxes of people who don't have dogs. 

If you don't like this idea, you have all the tools of participatory
democracy at your disposal, such as a voting booth, a mailbox, and a
telephone.  All of which are also available to your opponents, and
let the chips fall where they may.

There *are* other ways to at least partially fund a dog park, such as
mandatory user fees (like a surcharge on dog licenses) or voluntary ones
(a donation box at the gate).  If there is strong voter opposition to 
the idea, this might be a way to meet the opponents halfway.

Good luck,
--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: 275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: CUTE PUPPY STORY
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:15:32 GMT
Reply-To: 275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


Hi,

Just thought I would tell you Netters our funny experiences this weekend.
 We have a condo at the beach in Atlantic City, NJ and we took our two
Bedlington Terriers this weekend.  This is the second time our 15 week
old puppy has been to the beach.  She just loves it and we took a long
walk.  She came upon a Blue Merle Collie and started to play with her
a little.  There were some wide holes all over the beach filled with
water I guess from a high tide that had washed up and they looked from
all appearances to be very shallow.  Well, the lady that owned the Collie
threw his frisbee and he went running into the water hole and my 10
1/2 pound puppy Chelsea ran right on after him.  When he jumped in the
water was up to the top of his legs.  I went to scream to Chelsea, but
she just kept on running after him and jumped right in.  The water was
well over her head and I ran to the edge to see if I was going to have
to go in after her since I had no idea if she could swim.  Luckily she
swims great and came out soaking wet but didn't seem like it bothered
her.  It was only 50 degrees out and we were still 1/4 mile from our
apartment.  As we were walking back we saw 3 large dogs playing.  We
let our two dogs stop for a few minutes and one of the dogs belonging
to the girl with them, these 3 dogs were males, goes over to my husband
and pees on his pants leg.  I laughed and said this is not our day I
guess.  We got back to the condo and Chelsea had to get a bath and a
blow dry and my husband had to change his pants, but we had a fun day
anyway.

Wendy
From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: mini rescue story
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:55:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov12.215537.19793
Organization: University of Notre Dame

In article <1689DD8F2.REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.042749.13338@midway.uchicago.edu>
>betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead) writes:
> 
>>
>>A good friend of mine seems to have her own unofficial shelter.  She's always
>>wanted one dog.  Just one.  But she's always got three--the legal limit.  Her
>>all time favorite dog passed away recently and she explained to me how he
>>came into her life and started this whole shelter off.
>>
>Three is a legal limit?  I didn't realize that some places HAD legal limits
>on the number of dogs a person could own.  I don't think I like that idea.
>If a person can prove that he/she has the ability to care for a dog, he/she
>should be allowed to choose how many dogs to own.
> 
>Comments, anyone?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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I am using vi (ouch) so bear with me.  South Bend limits pets to 3 per
household (total animals so not 3 cats and 3 dogs).  I think this is
a good idea because of two reasons: 1) Many people within the city limits
don't have the room for more than three animals anyway.  2) If you must
have more than 3 you can if you buy/obtain a kennel license which means
that hopefully you are responsible enough to care for more than 3 dogs
at a time.  I don't know what it entails to get this license, I sort of
doubt very much.  Anyway, I have neighbors that obviously can't handle
two dogs so it is not that unreasonable IMHO.

-- 
| Michael Buening	    We are not inheriting the earth from our |
| mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu  parents, we are borrowing it from our    |
|		 	    children" -- Saw it on a shirt, author   |
|					 unknown		     |
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: How do you strip shedded fur?
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: joe@bulldog.sybase.com


JW>I've tried rubber curry combs and the bent-wire
JW>brushes, but I would like a more efficient way
JW>of getting all the shedible fur off, so it doesn't
JW>get a chance to collect in drifts in all the corners
JW>of my house.

Dogs are going to shed, there is nothing you can do to stop it. You can
lessen the amount on the floor and furniture by brushing the dog
everyday. I find a good slicker brush works well for this.

Kathleen Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
---
 . OLX 2.1 . Never argue with a skunk,mule,rattlesnake or...a woman!!!
            
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From: ALI00JEV@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU (Judith Van Noate)
Subject: Re: CHD Question
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:08:17 GMT

In article <17134@mindlink.bc.ca>
Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop) writes:
 
>
>If a dog has CHD, what is usually done about it? From what I've heard, minor
>cases are treated with pain-killers when necessary and severe cases are
>treated with hip replacement or euthanasia. Is this basically it, or are
 
Treating CHD:
 
I have four dogs with varying degrees of CHD.  Most recently my eight
year old Shorthair, Sophie, has been treated with an injection of a
drug called adequan and is taking Flexigan (a supplement) orally.
She is also on antibiotics and Vetalog (a type of prednisone) but the
latter are for a skin disorder and she is on them temporarily.  Another
dog had a series of six adequan shots.  Both adequan and Flexogan are
cartiledge builders.  The adequan is expensive, but cheap compared to
surgery. Sophie is going for her second injection tomorrow--she has
elbow dysplasia too and had become almost totally inactive and was
having trouble with the steps to the yard.  I had been giving her
butazolidin for pain for over a year, but the vet said this was hard on
old dogs  (same sort of side effects as aspirin).  So far she seems a
little more mobile, but the drugs will take several weeks to have a
full effect.  My other dog is almost completely normal as far as his
hips are concerned.  The muscle, which had severely atrophied is now
nearly the same as the good hip (I should say muscle groups).
The other two dogs are not being treated at this time, but I am going
to take the female to the vet tomorrow and may have her started on the
adequan.
Judith
>there oher treatments or other things that are done in minor CHD cases to
>keep the hips from getting worse?
>
>Thanks for any info, this is for a friend of mine who's dog may be showing
>signs of CHD :(
>
>
>--
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>Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca    I cried because I had no shoes
>or:      a4080@mindlink.bc.ca         Until I met a man who had no feet.
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From: langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Coyetes in Mississippi
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:37:45 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Tennessee
Distribution: world
Reply-To: langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston)
NNTP-Posting-Host: langston.cs.utk.edu

suzanne ??? <shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> hasn't yet given up 
on the coyotes-attacking-man-on-tractor type stories and continues:

> it was a fact, not a legend.  My dad knows the man personally...
> I don't know what happened for sure...I was not there. 

i think your candor is commendable suzanne, but your response
is self-contradictory 

> ...*smile*  Have a great day!

ditto -- btw, if you *really* believe those three anecdotes
you reported here, may i suggest that you post them over at
alt.folklore.urban, where legends are debunked or verified
on a regular basis

-- 
mike langston <langston@cs.utk.edu>
department of computer science, university of tennessee
From: stockie@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Jim Stockie - Computing Services)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Heart Murmurs in Dobes
Date: 8 Nov 92 20:34:31 GMT

Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 19:22:32 GMT

I believe that Dobes can have a thing called subaortic stenosis...Newfs and Chessies are also susceptible to this .... might want to have a Cardiologist at a vet college check it out
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com (G. Scott Downey)
Subject: How do you fight a race track?
Reply-To: scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Huntsville, Alabama
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:03:08 GMT

     I think we're about to have a dog track built in my
town (...yes....MY town! :> ) and I want to know how to 
fight it.  I think that's the most inhumane, asinine thing
that civilized people can do.  Well...ok...among the top 10.
 
     Have any of you ever fought a dog track before?  Do you
have any suggestions?  I'm not going at this from the angle
of "Gambling is a sin" (I dare you to find a verse in the 
Bible that indicates that), but I do think it's morally 
wrong to abuse the dogs the way that they commonly are in
racing situations.  I'm sure you agree and I will appreciate
your responses and suggestions.

			Concerned,
			G. Scott Downey
			Moses' Daddy (RottMonster)

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Help with Shepherds
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:22:46 GMT

In article <24150@alice.att.com> rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>A book called ``Games People Play,'' by Eric Berne I think, came out
>a long time ago, that is what happens in dog training if you think
>``Well, I'll find out what the trouble is, how the dog feels about
>this, and we'll work around it together.''  

That is not what I am advocating.  One more time.  I am advocating being
FLEXIBLE in training and apply training METHODS that fit the character
of the dog in question.  I really fail to see why this is so difficult
to understand.  Training methods, such as Kohler, are tools.  In your
case, Kohler is a philosophy (maybe even a religion).  Fine.  However,
Kohler is a method for training dogs.  There are lots of others.  All
have good and bad merits.  A lot of them work on a lot of dogs much of the
time.  A lot of them don't.  NONE of them work on ALL dogs ALL of the
time, not even Kohler.  To say that Kohler, or any other method, is
guaranteed to work on all dogs all of the time does a disservice to
the intelligence and integrity of dogs in general, because it accepts
the definition of dogs as units that can be programmed in exactly the
same way as an axiom.  I think that one is much better served to learn
several different METHODS that CAN be used to train dogs to do something,
then, when dealing with an individual dog, select a method that best fits
the character of the dog in question.  Some dogs respond better to one type
of training than another.  This implies the ability to understand and 
communicate with the dog, it implies respect for the dog's character as
an individual, and it represents the ability on the part of the traininer to
make an informed, rational decision.

I think there is one thing that we can agree on, is that a failure to be
CONSISTENT in training can lead to very bad results, as well as some very
confused dogs.  However, I believe that one can be consistent when applying
different methods to different dogs.

Since this now appears to be a dialoge between the two of us, what say we use
e-mail from now on and spare the rest of the net who have probably grown tired
of this thread?

-- 
============================================================
Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
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Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 08:41:01 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Just Stuff
Comment-To: Michael_George_Buening@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  Your dog feels bad alright.  As dogs are unlikely to suffer for
reasons unknown, I'm guessing that your dog is sick.  Sounds like
cancer.
  As for adolecent boys getting out of control, yes, that case is
eextreme yet not totally unheard of in teens.
  My brother was a sweet caring kid until he hit his adolecence.  He
turned into an absolute beast.  He considered it "funny" to go out
shooting other people's cats.  He shot one in the spine, paralyzing
it.  It crawled away from him with it's front legs.  He came home to
Brag about what he had done.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog Club informational ads
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:59:46 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <1992Nov6.011823.16318@mdd.comm.mot.com> prager@mdd.comm.mot.com
(David Prager) writes:
>Most dog clubs claim as part of their charter to provide education to the
>public on the subject of dogs. Breed clubs too are usually active in
providing
>education, though mostly on their specific breed............................
.......info about puppy newspaper ad & local all-breed club reaction deleted..
...... The consensus is to run a simple ad with our
>clubs name and secretaries phone number. It is hoped that potential puppy
>buyers will see the ad and get in touch with the club for good information.
>

Both all-breed & specialty breed clubs that can afford it run ads in local
newspapers, "trading post / pennysaver" shopping papers, regional newspapers,
etc. Typical wording is: 
"Be an informed (pure-bred puppy or "breed" puppy) owner. Before you buy or
adopt a puppy, contact the _____________ club for free information 
at xxx-xxxx."

These ads are relatively cheap, you can provide either breed-specific
information (usually provided to regional clubs free or at cost by the
breed parent club) and/or
educational material supplied free by the AKC, and the dog food companies
(Purina, Gaines, KalKan, etc) on selecting & raising a pure-bred puppy. Also,
your club can produce an inexpensive 1 or 2-page flyer on your breed or
pure-breds in general (how to evaluate the breeder & kennel, what to expect in
terms of guarantees, health certificates, etc). You can include a copy of your
club's code of ethics as a reference. 

Don't worry about "sour grapes" from these backyard breeders & small-scale
puppy mills. THEY don't care about anything but making money, especially off
of an uninformed/uneducated general public. It is up to all (and each) of us
to educate as much as possible poential puppy buyers. Go for it!

Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfoundlands
-- 

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From: lenny@bnr.ca (Len DePalma)
Subject: Re: Story for someone who wants to say "OH NO!!!!!"
Keywords: uh oh
Reply-To: lenny@x400gate.bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Ottawa, Fiber Systems Development
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 22:27:02 GMT

In article <1drillINNkcl@ub.d.umn.edu>, cpatters@ub.d.umn.edu (Granma) writes:
|> Bear (black lab) ate my daughter's hair brush - actually, he ate the
|> boar-with-plastic-knobbies-on-the-top bristles and just chewed on the
|> handle.  A day or two later, you guessed it, he was "expelling" (nice
|> word) poop complete with bristles!  What a hoot!  Didn't seem to

While we're on the topic... I have a cousin who is the proud owner of
a Dalmation (hi Lisa, if you're listening).  Two years ago, and still  
a puppy, it somehow managed to gulp down a flesh coloured pair of
pantyhose unnoticed.

Soon the inevitable happend, and my cousin + family thought it was the
dog's INTESTINES coming out as the nylons appeared at the other end!
But wait, it gets better: the poor dog apparently had some difficulty
expelling the mess so off to the vet they went (still under the
impression that fido was turning inside out)... the emergency staff
almost died when they realized what the problem was!
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From: joe@bulldog.sybase.com (Joseph Weinstein)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: How do you strip shedded fur?
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:37:07 GMT
Reply-To: joe@bulldog.sybase.com (Joseph Weinstein)
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

Hi.

I have a 120 lb. Bullmastiff. He has a short double
coat which he's in the process of shedding (profusely).

I've tried rubber curry combs and the bent-wire
brushes, but I would like a more efficient way
of getting all the shedible fur off, so it doesn't
get a chance to collect in drifts in all the corners
of my house.

I find myself imagining coating him with hot wax and
when it cools, I pull off great sheets off with pounds
of loose fur coming with it!
--
Joseph Weinstein  Sybase - 1650 65th Street, Emeryville Ca 94608
		  joe@sybase.com   sun!sybase!joe   510-596-3620
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