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From: spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: For Thine is the kingdom
Date: 28 Jan 1993 00:54 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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Francis Muir writes...

>This thread is not about Helen Johnston's remebrances of What They Said Last
>Sunday but about Grahame Greene, and a title of a novel. In his day there
>was no English Mass, and the Lord's Prayer that he knew and recited was NOT
>the KJV. If you want the text, go look at a Penny catechism from GG's times.
>The thread is a bookish one and we are not concerned with SubG's personal
>beliefs. I once criticized that person for his use of white space, but I'm
>beginning to think that its the brightest part of his postings.
>						RABworm

+-----------------------------------------SubG------------------------------+
I don't know exactly what beliefs I'm alleged to have stated or where, but
it seems that in spite of Mr. Greene's novel you seem to think that the phrase
in question is some sort of personal motto.

If you wish to contradict the Oxford annotated and a 1891 printing of an
annotated Greek N.T. and claim that Matthew couldn't possibly be the source
for the quote, feel free.  But excuse me whilst I rank their credibility
slightly above yours in the matter.

Paternoster is, after all, the source of the word `patter.'








Yours etc.,




SubGenius


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From: emery@goldfinger.mitre.org (David Emery)
Subject: Re: Buried Treasure -or- So, whaddaya use for bookmarks?
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:39:57 GMT

One of my favorite bookmarks is "ribbon stock" given to me by a friend
who collects military medals.  Apparently it's OK to replace worn-out
ribbons.  The pieces are about 2" long, and are quite colorful.  I
particularly remember U.S. Silver Star, U.S. Air Medal, and German
Iron Cross...
				dave
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From: write@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Glen Cox)
Subject: Re: Books about, or set in, Venice and Florence?
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:04:16 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <lmekmcINN4d2@news.bbn.com> rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes:
>Having recently returned from a trip to Italy, I'd like
>now to read some books about where I just went: Venice,
>Florence, and Siena.  I'm interested in both fiction 
>and non-fiction.  Can anyone add to this list?
>
>   Ruskin: Stones of Venice
>   Mary McCarthy: Venice Observed
>   Mary McCarthy: Stones of Florence
>   Thomas Mann: Death in Venice
>   Mark Twain: Innocents Abroad

Clive James: May Week Was in June

This is the third of James' semi-autobiographical series "Unreliable Memoirs"
of which the first volume was UNRELIABLE MEMOIRS and the second, FALLING
TOWARDS ENGLAND.  In MAY WEEK, James tells of Venice before and after the
flood in 1967 (?).

glen
Glen E. Cox               *  No quote today
write@lamar.ColoState.Edu *
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Ted Mooney
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:34:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Danny-Boy) writes:
> Other people may already be familiar with _Easy Travel to Other
> Planets_ by Ted Mooney, but I just discovered in early December.
> I'd like to recomend it. I am not sure if I should say why I 
> recommend it because that would give away part of the enjoyment.

I didn't like it.  It was years ago, so I don't remember why.  Just a
datum for the net.

	Larry "Feed the Net" Hammer
--

                         \   The work is rather too light, and bright,
LNH@physics.arizona.edu   \  and sparkling; it wants ... a long chapter
sometimes a Wombat         \ of solemn specious nonsense. -- Jane Austen
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Maya Angelou inaugural poem
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:04:22 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <C178qM.MJF@olsen.ch> lindy@olsen.ch (Lindy Foster) writes:

>I found Maya Angelou's inaugural poem both moving and beautiful.  Does
>anyone know where I can get a copy of the text?  Thanks,

Today's _San Francisco Chronicle_ (Jan. 21) printed the whole poem.  I'm
sure other papers did as well.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
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From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Ancient History Novels
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 01:02:06 GMT

I wrote:
	>
	I second the recommendation for _RM_ and also her second book _Animal
	Wife_.


Gara Pruesse writes:

	WHOSE second book?
	
	Would posters PLEASE make a point of including author and title in
	follow-up postings?  



Mea cupa.  I didn't put the author's name becuase I forgot her name
and thought I could slip it by.  But, NOOOOOOO.

Her name is Elizabeth mumble, mumble.



William Sburgfort Smith
Intel, SSD
From: tmd@austin.lockheed.com (Tom Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Okay, so Texas law-makers are stupid
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:14:33 GMT
Organization: "Lockheed Austin Division, 6800 Burleson Rd, Austin, TX 78744

In article <1993Jan21.155309.16096@cactus.org> kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:

>What you'll find is that (Texas lawmakers) differ not in depth of stupidity
>but in colorful and imaginative variety of stupidities.

Imaginative?!?! I'll agree that some of them -- like the guy who shot
himself in the wrist right before the election, to get a sympathy vote --
_may_ have some imagination, but most of them are about as imaginative as
your average dog turd.

-- 
   Tom Davis                    Internet address: tmd@austin.lockheed.com
	"Imagine there's no countries; it isn't hard to do;
	 Nothing to kill or die for, and no religion, too."
   [Disclaimer: I speak for nobody but me - and sometimes not even that.]
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Maya Angelou inaugural poem
Date: 25 Jan 93 03:32:39 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Mark Richter writes:

	The poem misses someone really *important*. The English. 
	Hey, they only wrote the Declaration of Independence, the 
	United States Consitution and founded this great country. 
	The poem mentions Germans, Swedes, and about every other
	cult, clan, group and nation under the sun. But, not the 
	English.

	Must not be room for the English in this Politically Correct 
	America of the 90's. What a loss.

The more you include, the more you exclude. This listing was not one
of the brighter parts. In fact, once Maya got away from the Rock and
the Tree and got onto those godzillas and things the thing went to pot.
However, Poems for Special Occasions have a way of ending up disasters,
and Mizangelou is in good company. Hey, look on the bright side. We could
have got Rod McCuen up there...


						RABworm
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: More sf babble
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:40:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan25.204006.7095
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

>I would also like a list of original ideas.

That's quite a request!
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From: daq@fc.hp.com (Doug Quarnstrom)
Subject: Re: Censorship
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:47:07 GMT
Organization: SPUGE
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Doug Quarnstrom (daq@fc.hp.com) wrote:
: Is this assertion true?  Is anything book rigorously avoids 
: anything of a sexual nature safe from censorship in the US?

Duh.  I meant: Is any book that rigorously avoids ....

Sheesh.

doug
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From: sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Danny-Boy)
Subject: Ted Mooney
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:23:31 GMT

Other people may already be familiar with _Easy Travel to Other
Planets_ by Ted Mooney, but I just discovered in early December.
I'd like to recomend it. I am not sure if I should say why I 
recommend it because that would give away part of the enjoyment.
I guess it is surreal? When [she] points at a car and pow, it is
blue? and sections like these are titled? I love labeling things with
titles.
		Not Sheila's Post

I found a recommendation for this book in either _Storming the Reality
Studio_ or _Accross the Wounded Galaxies_ ed. Larry McCaffery, which
has been recommend to me etc etc times. 

		BOOKSTORES

	Which draws in a thread about bookstores - Ollsen's in DC is
wonderful and tags slips of paper all over the place with book recommendations,
they also carry music, and they are the only bookstores I have seen with
an anthology by Lewis Shiner called _The Edges of Things_ which is hardback
signed by Lewis Shiner, his Illustrator, and someone else, and is a hefty
forty bucks, and I have not bought it,  maybe for my birthday huh?, 
	
	Mushrooms

	in advance for my birthday I begged my parents to buy me a book
I saw at an antique show in Austin about mushrooms printed in 1900, with
tissue paper in front of the color paintings and photographs. I want to
go pick mushrooms, I love mushrooms. Mushrooms favor magnificantly in
_Another RoadSide Attraction_ by Tom Robbins which isn't as funny as
_Even Cowgirls Get the Blues_ but then, I havn't read _Skinny legs, etc_
yet, and I liked ECGB because of the playful style things he did etc.

	Female Men

	to Get back to Larry McCaffery's books, I also read _The Female
Man_ Joanna Russ. I recommend it. Don't know if the ideas are old or
cliche feminism, because I am not familiar with the feminism idiom.  But
the book was interesting...ending, not so good for me, I enjoyed the ride
though. aside - I am still tangled in _Dhlagren_ put it down, started
over again to not miss any imagery that I had read to hurridly, notice
that on a bookshelf he has Joanna Russ' book.
	
		Also
	I bought Remains of the Day, which many people have recommended
here for Matt's birthday, and also Stars In My Pocket Like Grains of
Sand, (Matt's not reading this, he's busy doing homework), Immortality,
In the Drift - sf Michael Swanwick, some nonfiction thing by Rudy Rucker
on a lark with the word "infinity" in it, and Grendel. Hope Matt likes
some of these. I wandered around Europa books and nabbed things wheneverly.

			Austin Blah

Grepped the Austin Chronicle for News of Timbuk 3 Concerts. Yes! Two,
Two! concerts, whoopee. Alas, They are on the Weekend we Leave.


			Dimwits Like Me

	In case other people like me havn't discovered some neat books,
I wanted to mention them.
-- 
I am always wrong. Don't believe me ever.
stark raving sane  sheilah@wam.umd.edu
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Paglia (was: Cross-Writing)
Date: 20 Jan 93 21:31:39 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1993Jan16.140729.10683@eff.org>, mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
> In article <1993Jan16.102022.3751@cheshire.oxy.edu> rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney) writes:
> >	No, we're born with, and always live with, the ability to
> >act ethically.  We are not born with innate dispositions in either
> >direction.
> 
> Aren't men, at least, also born with the potential to rape?

Aren't people, at least, also born with the potential to murder?

> Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"When freedom destroys order, order will destroy freedom." -- Eric Hoffer
Not a goal, just a statement of reality.
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From: stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame)
Subject: Re: "Harlan Ellison's Watching" by Harlan Ellison
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:36:02 GMT

In article <93025.114017U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <1k0rebINNjhp@transfer.stratus.com>, lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
>(Laurie Mann) says:
>
>>I think he was talking about that "classic," The Oscar.
>
>Oh,most definitely...his references to it in _The Glass Teat_ make it seem
>like Harlan cringes merely by typing in the _title_,much less talking about
>it at length. To my knowledge,the only other thing he's written which causes
>him as much reluctance is his novel _The Man With Nine Lives_,which also got
>mentioned in an extremely derogatory fashion somewhere else.
>

TMWNL isn't very good, true, but it's an Ace Double with _Touch of Infinity_
which is a pretty decent short story collection.  Are you sure you aren't
confusing it with _The Doomsman_ which was a double book with some John
Brunner novel or something like that.  I heard a story about some fan who
tried to get Harlan to autograph a copy of TD and Harlan proceeded to
tear it to shreds.
	"You don't want to read this trash!  It's a terrible book!  Here,
	 read the John Brunner half!  It's much better!"

	"Y-you're destroying my book!  I paid X$ for it!"

	"So?  I wrote the damn thing!  I'm allowed to . . . "

Makes for a nice story but I'm not entirely convinced it's true.  The only
thing that makes me doubt its falsity is that this *is* Harlan Ellison
we're talking about . . . :-)

		-- Stewart "didn't ask him to sign my copy of _The Man
			With Nine Lives_ . . . just in case" Tame

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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: New York r.a.b.fest?
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:58:38 GMT
Organization: Clark University

I plan to be in New York City February 12-14 for a baseball-related
shindig.  Is there any interest in a r.a.b.fest?

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
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From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: New prize
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:30:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan26.233010.3245
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)


	As Prof. McDuck is back in town and offering new prizes, perhaps it
is time to get together in Berkeley, as several people have suggested, to
celebrate the First McDuck Prize (though like Marlon Brando its recipient
will not be making a trip to the celebration).

	Might I suggest the afternoon of Saturday, Feb. 6?  

	I have suggested the Cactus Taqueria; other venues might include
Zachary's Pizza or Oliveto if we were to stay in that neighborhood.  Other
nominations?

	Mail or post on this topic as you think best.


-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
	"That's a bird bone chair, Bob.  I don't know if I should sit there."
				Tom Waits
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From: stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame)
Subject: Re: "Harlan Ellison's Watching" by Harlan Ellison
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:20:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.005118.16701@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>An interesting counterpoint to Ellison's review collections is the
>essay "Revealed At Last!  Why the Dinosaurs Died Out -- And You Don't
>Look So Good Either."  (Was it included in this book?)
>
>What makes it interesting is that his "Glass Teat" reviews took the
>position that television, had a marvelous potential, though it wasn't
>doing a very good job of living up to it.  "Dinosaurs", written over
>a decade later, had Ellison suggesting that the problem might be
>intrinsic to the medium.
>
>(I'm trying to remember the title of the anthology which that essay
>introduced.  "Strange Wine"?)
>

Right.  Though I think the essay may have been included in _Sleepless
Nights in the Procrustean Bed_ as well.  Either that or _The Essential
Ellison_.  Maybe both.

	-- Stewart "still waiting for _The Last Dangerous Visions_" Tame

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and the Easter Bunny.
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From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Last Exit
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:47:41 GMT


Has anyone out here read _Last_Exit_to_Brooklyn_? I got about
half way thru it and stopped. I found it to be too vile and
depressing. Not that these are bad emotions for an author to
invoke, but I found *no* redeeming qualities in *any* of the
characters which made me want to continue in my reading.
I bought the book ($10 trade pprbk!) because of the interview
Lou Reed had with "Exit"'s author Hubert Selby Jr. contained
in Lou's book _Between_Thought_and_Expression_. L.R. is one of
my favourite musicians/poets, and so I thought his enthusiasm
for Selby might carry over to me. Wrong. While Lou's work often
contains many of the same themes found in "Exit", L.R. has always
offered the possibility (however small) of finding redemption
thru love. I found "Last Exit" totally lacking in redemption.
I would like to hear others thoughts on this book.


                            R ****
                             I
                              C
                          **** K	

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From: d-yang@cs.columbia.edu (David Yang)
Subject: Query on Thoreau quote
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:48:15 GMT

My sister is looking for the source of the following Thoreau quote:
"The youth gets together his materials to build a bridge to the moon, ...
or perchance a palace or temple on earth, and at length the middle-
aged man concludes to build a woodshed with them."

By the way, she read through Walden and is pretty sure it's not there.

Any help would be appreciated,
David Yang
d-yang@cs.columbia.edu
From: wagner@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Vanity Fair, or the long sojourn
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:14:22 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1993Jan26.163356.25550@grebyn.com>, fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
> I read the book so long ago, I remember little except for a _Gestalt_
> impression of the delightful main character (Becky?), but one bit
> has always stood out in my mind: the description of a wealthy man's
> wife as "The Bosom."  As in: a "Bosom" is something such a man needs
> to have at his side in a formal gathering, for the display of jewelry,
> and thus the display of his wealth.  Nice satirical bit.
> 
> 							--Fiona

I don't remember this from Vanity Fair (though it's been a while 
since I read it), but this is how the glittering Mrs Merdle is described 
in _Little Dorrit_, which is a total def jam of a 19th c. novel.

Howzabout the parts where the selfsame Mrs Merdle tells her victims 
how different things would be if we were savages in the jungle, but we
aren't my dear, so we must heed the opinions of Society...

Or Mr Dorrit's -hem- gracious solicitation of testimonials in his 
prison garret?

And the delicious constriction of the lives of the characters, at first
apparently totally isolated strangers drifting along, but in fact 
connected by something which is gradually revealed, but has been there
all along.

In fact, I'd say it's this last thing that makes the later Dickens so
much better than the earlier.  The clumsy moralizing and social commentary
never go away, but the characters and prose stop being vaudeville performers
coming and going with no purpose but to throw pies at each other and to 
make our tender hearts bleed for the sad-eyed moppet victims of something 
or other, but they (the prose and characters) become slick performing 
conmen, amusing in their own right, but also purposeful players with 
a plan.  
						-Luke
					wagner@mps.ohio-state.edu

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From: cei308@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Jet Girl)
Subject: Re: Books we're too righteous to censor-- but would like to
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:37:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.162723.79581@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jahb@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JENNIFER A. HEISE) writes:
>OK, guys: time for a new flame war.
>Let's talk about what books that we would *like* to censor, but we are too
>damn PC or right-to-read or whatever to suggest.
>    My first candidate:
>    Jude the Obscure.  Not for everyone-- just not to be taught in the
>    schools. It's sexist, fatalist, and just plain depressing. Asking
>    teenagers to read it is incitement to suicide.

Oh great!!!  I'd heard it was depressing but....I bought it on Saturday
because for some strange reason I've never read it.  
Therefore,this will probably be my last post to the net...it's hard to
type with your head in a gas oven...

>Anyone care for a mint?

Hmmm, yes please!!!  But it's a long way from PA to Coventry!!!

love and vibes

Joolz
-- 
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*            JOOLZ THE JET GIRL      cei308@uk.ac.coventry.cck               * 
*  "Just when I think I'm winning, when I've opened every door...the ghosts  *
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From: otto@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (M. Otto, "Virtual Prisoner of the VAX")
Subject: Re: OZ books?
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:39:51 GMT

Did Baum ever write about The Land of An?  (Think about it ;)

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                             Denton, USA
From: kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Buried Treasure -or- So, whaddaya use for bookmarks?
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:22:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Jan25.182215.5359
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx


Mostly I use bookstore receipts and stern "to-do" lists I've
written for myself, which I fold up so they can't be read--also
the occasional baseball card (though I sure wish I had a Nolan Ryan
rookie, cool) and sometimes coins, which don't work very well once
you start reading the book.

But I do have a favorite bookmark story. In my high-school copy
of Franny & Zooey I had saved as a bookmark the label from the
First bottle of wine I drank with my First boyfriend. Some years
later I was living somewhere away from my books--Portland Oregon
probably--and felt a sudden desperate need to read F&Z.

So I went to a used bookstore and bought an old copy. When I
opened it someone's old bookmark fell out--a label from a wine
bottle.

OK, I know that's not _much_ of a story, but still an odd and
pleasant moment for me.

Kate



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From: geturner@aer.com. (George Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Forcing the Spring
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:09:25 GMT
Organization: Atmospheric & Environmental Research, Inc.

I was hoping Bill would expound on the New Covenant. What happened to
Bill's Covenant, anyway?
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