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From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: e-mail to (former) Soviet Union
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:54:09 GMT

In <1607@rand.mel.cocam.oz.au> sjm@cocamrd.mel.cocam.oz.au (John Machin) writes:

| 	user@host.locality.su

| Unfortunately using this form caused the message to
| end up at Sydney University, and be flung back with an "unknown host/domain"
| message.

That must indicate that your mailer is simply dumping mail into ACSnet
with the destination address unchanged, which is rarely a sane thing to
do with other than mail destined for ACSnet (regardless of what MHSnet
may in theory be able to do).

| The Postmaster at my site has tried the form

| 	user%host.locality.su.@munnari
|                              ^
|                              Note extra dot

The extra dot is unnecessary there, but its also harmless, munnari
sends mail that ends in ".su" to the Soviet Union (or whatever hosts
in whatever countries still use the .su domain).  Such stuff is never
sent to Sydney University (it needs a ".oz.au" appended for that to happen).

| This attempt didn't get any "undeliverable" message back; unfortunately it
| got nothing back.

Maybe the user just didn't reply... or maybe the mail got stuck somewhere?

| What is the most reliable way of addressing such mail (without having to
| muck around with MX records and other arcane things)? I.e. what should I 
| put in the To: header?

| My guess is: user%host.locality.su@X

If your mailer won't do that kind of thing for you, then yes, that's
probably what you have to do - better is to get your mailer fixed to
know that outgoing mail to non-local destinations should be forwarded
to a relay site.  That way, if the value of X changes, only the mailer
needs to be updated, the users just keep using the addresses they're
used to.

|              where X is a site outside Australia which is more likely to 
|              think that su means Soviet Union than Sydney University.

You don't need to look for something outside Australia.   Any
AARnet site with a civilised mailer should do the right thing with
".su" mail (and any other international mail).

|              What is a good choice for X?

In your case, I'd probably suggest sol.deakin.oz.au, as they're your
MX site (ir: mail for you gets sent to them) so they should be close
to you (network-wise anyway), avoiding unnecessary traffic in some
cases (why someone with an address in Carlton is connected to Geelong
is something I don't really want to ask about).

kre
From: sjm@cocamrd.mel.cocam.oz.au (John Machin)
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: e-mail to (former) Soviet Union
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:09:09 GMT
Organization: Co-Cam Computer Group, Oz


I am trying to send e-mail to a student group in the (former) Soviet Union.
The address I have is of the form

	user@host.locality.su

Unfortunately using this form caused the message to
end up at Sydney University, and be flung back with an "unknown host/domain"
message.

The Postmaster at my site has tried the form

	user%host.locality.su.@munnari
                             ^
                             Note extra dot



This attempt didn't get any "undeliverable" message back; unfortunately it
got nothing back.

A couple of questions:

What is the most reliable way of addressing such mail (without having to
muck around with MX records and other arcane things)? I.e. what should I 
put in the To: header?

My guess is: user%host.locality.su@X

             where X is a site outside Australia which is more likely to 
             think that su means Soviet Union than Sydney University.

             What is a good choice for X?

Thanks in advance,


-- 
John Machin
c/o Jacques Martin Industry
100 Drummond St, Carlton, Victoria 3053, Australia
Phone: +61-3-667-9714 Fax: +61-3-667-9433 ACSNet: sjm@cocam.oz.au

" ... there is no finite line of demarcation which limits the powers
of the Analytical Engine" -- Ada Augusta, Countess of Lovelace
Newsgroups: aus.mail
From: Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
Subject: Re: From lines in mail header
Organization: Victoria University, PO Box 600, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
Keywords: sendmail.cf From
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:32:01 GMT
Distribution: aus


In article <1g699sINN4at@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, doug@psy.uwa.oz.au (Doug Robb) writes:
|> Can anybody explain to me what has happened to the
|> From line in the following message?
|> 
|> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
|> From dev-europe-request@durham.ac.uk Wed Dec  9 22:56:59 1992
|> Return-Path: <dev-europe-request@durham.ac.uk>
|> Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by psy.uwa.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1)
|> 	id AA05085; Wed, 9 Dec 92 22:56:49 WST
|> Message-Id: <9212091456.AA05085@psy.uwa.edu.au>
|> Via: uk.ac.durham; Wed, 9 Dec 1992 14:57:29 +0000
|> Received: from uk.ac.york.vaxa by durham.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Dec 92 14:53:28 GMT
|> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 14:33 GMT
|> From: charles hulme <CH1@VAXA.YORK.AC.UK>
|>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> etc
|> Instead of 
|> From: ch1@vaxa.york.ac.uk  (Charles Hume)
|>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> This transposition of "real name" and return address is
|> stuffing up the 'r' (reply) facility of mail as the reply
|> is then addressed to local user charles etc.
|> I would blame my sendmail.cf but many if not most of the
|> messages we receive have the correct from lines and this problem
|> has only surfaced over the last month, as far as I can tell, and 
|> our mail server has been stable for about 2 years.
|> (sun OS 4.1.2, sun sendmail.cf for main machine, uses mx records)

Well, I would blame your mail software if it can't deal with the above From:
address. It may have been stable for 2 years but it's also been broken. RFC
822 says that a mailbox can take one of two forms:

1) an 'addr-spec' which is defined as a 'local-part "@" domain' e.g.

	ch1@vaxa.york.ac.uk

This of course can be modified by adding a 'comment' e.g. (Charles Hume) to
give:

	From: ch1@vaxa.york.ac.uk  (Charles Hume)

2) or 'phrase route-addr' where a 'phrase 'is e.g. charles hulme and a 'route
addr' is e.g. <CH1@VAXA.YORK.AC.UK> making:

	From: charles hulme <CH1@VAXA.YORK.AC.UK>

perfectly legal.

RFC 1123 further modified this to make the 'phrase' in 2) optional so:

	From: <CH1@VAXA.YORK.AC.UK>

is now also acceptable.


RFC 822 is dated 1982 and RFC 1123 is dated 1123 - seems like plenty of time
to have got this correct. Your software needs fixed!
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: Re: university of darwin address??? (urgent)
From: byrnes@cbr.hhcs.gov.au
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:45:03 +1000
Distribution: aus
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services
Keywords: darwin university internet address

In article <9234302.2676@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, schuller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Wayne Schuller) writes:
> I am posting this for an overseas friend who says she needs to know urgently.
> She is looking for the internet address of Darwin Uni. I am not aware of
> a uni in Darwin, but if it exists, can someone please email its internet
> address, and possibiltiy some email names of people in charge there.
> ie: system admin, or someone who does course enquiries etc...
> Thank you for your time.
> 
> schuller
> 
> ps: also a HUGE thanks to all those who posted me the BUC's address a little
> while back! It's great that the net is full of nice ppls who help each other
> out! Keep it up guys and gals!
> 

There certainly is a university in Darwin. I can't supply a complete email
address for you, but the voice switchboard for the University is 089-466666.
The contact person for AARNET/internet enquiries is a Mr Peter Milne, in the
Computing Services area, on 466108.

Hope this helps.


Newsgroups: aus.films
From: hoahosth@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (ANDREA HOSTH)
Subject: Home Alone II
Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:01:35 GMT

This was a good deal better than I expected. I went believing that it would 
just be a rehash of the first one - same jokes, same plot, same everything. 
And it was - the city being the major change, plus some self-referential 
jokes leading on from the last film. HOWEVER. It was still _very_ *very* VERY
funny. I was surprised. 
Don't go expecting subtlety and try not to wince too obviously when the 
severe Hollyamericawood schmaltz about love comes out with Kevin's 
conversations with the Pigeon woman. But go. It's worth the $7 simply for 
sheer unalleviated laughter. 
And a comment on the Wet Bandits - these guys should get jobs as stuntmen. I'
ve never seen anybody harder to kill (barring Schwarzenager).

Ankh
Newsgroups: aus.films
From: cameron@aussie.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Sneakers - Showing where?
Reply-To: cameron@aussie.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:44:28 GMT


I'm not familiar with theatres as I rarely go to the movuies...
Can anyone tell me if Sneakers is showing anywhere in Sydney at the moment?
--
James Cameron
Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Limited A.C.N. 000 446 800
(cameron@aussie.enet.dec.com)
Newsgroups: aus.tv,aus.films
From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Subject: Manufacturing Consent
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Distribution: aus
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:26:57 GMT

Manufacturing Consent ("Noam Chomsky and the Media") will screen on SBS
over three consecutive Tuesdays, beginning tonight at 8:30. This was one 
of the ten best movies this year.

Unfortunately, SBS is showing the directors cut, which is an hour longer
than the version shown last month at the Valhalla and not nearly so 
focused. It's an elegant, very funny documentary on media manipulation
that makes fools and liars of TV, newspapers and George Bush.

Pretty much unmissable. Anyone feel like videoing the whole thing?

--- G M Heinrich  ( leroy@socs.uts.edu.au )
Newsgroups: aus.films
From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Subject: Muppet Christmas Carol
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Distribution: aus
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:43:55 GMT

Pretty much as expected: it's great. Beaker is wonderful. So is Sam the 
American Eagle. However, it is a musical and some of the songs are woeful,
as is Michael Caine's singing.

A Muppet Christmas Carol is surprisingly faithful to the original novel,
with the addition of The Great Gonzo playing Dickens as a Narrator, with
Rizzo the Rat as a sidekick. It's also surprisingly sad and somewhat
frightening by turns -- not just a light comedy.

Worth watching: it won't change the world, but it will change your opinion
of vegetarians.

-- G M Heinrich    ( leroy@socs.uts.edu.au )
From: Albert.Landman@f370.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Albert Landman)
Newsgroups: aus.games
Subject: rex
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1992 01:05:01

Thanx for your help there, the problem is I got kinda frustrated and needed
 the hard drive space, so to try out your suggestions will require delting and
 re-installing.

Oh well...probably get around to it someday.

(by the way, your encouragement was duly noted and appreciated)

Later,

AL.


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From: Alan.Sawyer@f253.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Alan Sawyer)
Newsgroups: aus.games
Subject: Kings Quest Vi Anyone?
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1992 12:00:02

To: s915899@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Kosala Alwis Jayasinghe) 
 On 11-27-92 KOSALA ALWIS JAYASINGHE wrote to ALL... 
 
 KA> From: s915899@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Kosala Alwis Jayasinghe) 
 KA> Organization: RMIT Computer Centre 
 KA>  
 KA> Hi there to anyone who has played Kings Quest VI.  I have finished the 
 KA> game 
 KA> by entering the palace dressed as a servant...that was easy and I only 
 KA> 
 KA> finished 69 percent of the game content.  I am desparate to find the 
 KA> Brimstone (Sulphur) needed to cast the 'Tame a Beast of the Night' 
 KA> spell.  
 KA> Does anyone know where/how to find this item???  Please please post 
 KA> your 
 KA> answer immediately! 
 KA>  
 KA> Thanks in advance... 
 KA>  
 KA> Diamonds 
 KA>  
 KA>  
 KA>  
 KA> --- 
 KA>  * Origin: FidoNet/USENET Gateway [csource.oz.au] Melbourne, Aust 
 KA> (3:632/400.0) 
 
Hi there,If you need the sulphur it is in the rotten egg.You click the 
egg on the "Skull full of hot oak embers". If you don't have the egg, 
you give the coal from the isle of the mists to the queen on the 
Isle of Wonder. Hope this helps you.CYA! 
 
 
... OFFLINE 1.40 * Disk Error. (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic. 
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From: Alan.Sawyer@f253.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Alan Sawyer)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: Tw2000
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1992 12:04:03

Anybody out there played tw2000? 
What do you think of it? 
Any body out there got any hints or cheats? 
CYA! 
 
 
... OFFLINE 1.40 * Help ME!! 
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From: Jason.Kisielis@f513.n635.z3.fidonet.org (Jason Kisielis)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: Space Marine
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:06:48

   With this game there is 6 different forces you can colect and yes Paint.
There are orks, chaos, eldar, Space Marines, Imperial Guard, and squats. I am
not quite sure if you know the history but it is set in the year 40000 and
mankind faces many dangers. By this stage mankind has travelled far into the
galaxy discoering new planets but also meeting new threats. This of course
occurs with battles and so you can have a massive battles they brought out this
Scale. Each army has seperate men and vehicles. You can besides the original
box buy supplements from england and rather expensively in australia. there is
also lead vehicles and plastic ones . In fact hundreds to choose from. If you
are interested in buying this its good to find someone with the game and see
which force appeals to you. If you have excess I know people including myself
who are prepared to buy it of you. These people are also prepared to game you.
If you have any other queries just give me a buzz

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From: jph613@huxley.anu.edu.au (John P Hughes)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: Re: internet get together
Date: 13 Dec 92 00:56:07 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.2.12

>|> 	If you are intending to go to Cancon in January, how about arranging 
>|> for a get together at a pub for achat and a chance to meet the people behind 
>|> the views??

>   What, and ruin all our carefully constructed online personas?

>   OK, how about after Rites of Passage has run?

Rites is running all weekend. Best to pick one night that's not the CanCon
dinner night.

I'm interested, If Hugh promised not to stake me out on an anthill :-).

John Hughes
From: lsc124j@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: DSA (explanation?)
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:13:57 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Ummmm okay, Das Schwarze Auge.

This is the main German-language  RPG and is supposed to be very playable. I
haven't played it myself, it has very pretty pre-printed character sheets :-)

It is a "High Fantasy" RPG (dare I say AD&D-style genre) with a very complex
character generation system.

I can have a closer look if anyone is really interested but as it is not to my
knowledge available in English yet (hey Liam maybe I can do what you did with
Trauma :-) ) or even available in Australia there is probably little point
discussing it on an Australian news group :-)

I was told that "It's really good and heaps better than D&D" but that seems to
be a standard comment about any new  RPG from certain groups o fpeople (oooh
provocative comment I'm really truly sorry)

Melissa.

Melissa J. Rogerson
temporarily in Austria
Rogerson@bkfug.KFUniGraz.ac.at
LSC124J@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
mooner@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
etc.
From: jph613@huxley.anu.edu.au (John P Hughes)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: Re: Apperarances (was Post-cyberpunk Worlds)
Date: 13 Dec 92 02:36:53 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.2.12

langsl@hhcs.gov.au writes:

>...and for some, once they have done everything virtually, the last challenge
>is to do it for real.  And considering how antisocial some of these things may
>be, perhaps they are this age's ultimate criminal.

Yeah. I guess one of the strongest and hardest lessons for a virtual parent
to convey would be the difference between Virtual, where you can do ANYTHING
and Bio (can't call it "reality" anymore) where you have to BEHAVE. Which
could be more diffict than we imagine...

>   Perhaps living for real is regulated, and only allowed to a select few?  And
>maybe some of the people you grew up with really were just imaginary friends,
>or an AI and not a real person.

The future I've posited for Rites has been radically depopulated by
bio-warfare. Population pressures aren't a problem. But non-human friends...
Parents? Teachers? Police?   Hmmmmm...

Cultural Regeneration Zones
>> 
>  Sounds a whole lot nicer.  What limits are there imposed on the technology
>used in these zones?  Who by?  Who enforces it?  What contact is there between
>these zones and the corporate zones?  Do they know the corporates and higher
>tech exist?  What do they think of them: do some isolated areas treat
>corporates as Gods with Magic, or what?  Do the corporates thing of these
>cultural regeneration zones and their people as resources that they own,
>perhaps?

I think the only limits on technology would be: is it sustainable, does it
harm our environment and, is it use in accordance with our lifestyle.

Contact would be common: I'd imagine most children born in the zones would
want to see the cities at least once. Many would stay. Virtual can be pretty
addictive.


John Hughes                          "I DOWNLOAD THEREFORE I AM"
From: hugh@rschp1.anu.edu.au (Hugh Fisher)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: Re: Cultural regeneration zones
Date: 11 Dec 1992 03:22:23 GMT
Organization: Research School of Chemistry, ANU
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.35.20
Keywords: Culture utopia distopia, ritual chopping off bits

John P Hughes writes:
...
|> Over the rest of the inhabitable globe, Cultural nation states have established
|> CRZs, and dedicate themselves to (safely and comfortably) live as humankind
|> has for 99% of its history. To whit:
|> 
|> settlements numbering no more than 100 people, with limited contact to wider
|> groups.
|> 
|> Emphasis on permaculture, hunting & gathering, and restoration/regeneration of
|> the (still severely depleted) environment.
|> 
|> Order maintained by extended family groups, with little or no formal
|> hierarchies.

    Hmmm. What happens to feminists in these happy little tribes, I wonder?
    It's my impression that 99% of history has women relegated to cooking and
    child care - for the good of their souls and the collective all, of course.

|> Emphasis on personal growth and development through community sharing of
|> myth and ritual, initiation and shamanic/alternative states of consciousness.

    Which, in my admittedly sketchy knowledge, frequently involve ants, knives,
    and low tech dentistry for the one being enlightened :-)
...
|> I don't see a fear of technology here. In fact I'd imagine most settlements
|> would have a monitoring AI with high tech health care on call. In fact, most
|> people would have (non communicative) Shadow implants.

    Won't high tech health care send the population through the roof? Or
    do these extended family groups operate with Western style two children
    families?

    I also can't think of any great religious leaders who believed in a stable
    world population (or for that matter, feminism). Wouldn't there be some
    trouble reconciling the commandments of your Virtual prophet ("Go forth
    and multiply!") with the lifestyle? Or has there been a bit of editing?

...
|> Any takers for high tech hippiedom?  Philosopher Queens & Kings, a gentle life
|> dedicated to religious and spiritual cultivation through close contact with a
|> limited number of people...

    Plus frequent ingestion of selected plants and mushrooms to maintain the
    alternative states of consciousness :-) Maybe I could stand the initiation
    ritual after all.

	Hugh Fisher
	(unromantic hi-tekker)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
From: wes@echo.canberra.edu.au (Wes Nicholson)
Subject: Re: internet get together
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:36:20 GMT

In <1gj3edINNs5p@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> rrdjro@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Jonathan O'Donnell) writes:

>axg708@cscgpo.anu.edu.au (Ashraf Ghebranious) writes:


>>What I may suggest is 
>>meeting people that know other people during the con and arranging something 
>>then. Do some people know each other by face? 

>	Having a get together is a great idea, but this is a bad way to do
>	it.  Some of us know one another, but some people won't know
>	anyone.  They will miss out.             
        Vaery true. Maybe I can fix this.

>	I am especially interested to meet Scot with one T.  Are you coming, 
>	Scot?


>>PS This is almost as hard as organising the con itself!!!

>	Is this true, Wes?  Are you out there, Wes?  Wes? Wes...

	Yes, it is true. Except for those !@#$% wargamers. the con isn't
that hard to organise, but the social stuff! Yuk. There's always more
things going on than we have nights to cope with. Even four days (three
nights) isn't enough for some people. There's at ;least 3 (including
this one) semi-official get togehters planned around cancon, plus the
two in the book. That doesn't begin to count all the parties for those
who nly see each other once or twice a year. BTW, for anyone interested,
I'm probably having a screening of anime stuff on Saturday night at my
house, BYO food (or we'll get pizza delivered) and drinks. It'll be
stuff that won't be on public display.

	Wes
From: Dainis.Bertuzzi@f251.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Dainis Bertuzzi)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: Space Marine
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:56:01

Hello Jason,

        I have actually changed my mind about Space Marine. I think I'll
 actually go with Warhammer 40K. Do you know anything about this?? I would
 welcome any information at all about this and about how to start off eg. what
 books do I need, what boxes are the best for miniatures for starters..etc..
Thanks for your reply. I am pretty renowned about changing my mind. Anyway, if
 you would like, my father (I'm 17) runs the Forbidden Planet BBS. If you have
 anything you would like to talk about in the matters above then by all means
 come, have a look 'round and have a chat with me.. The number in case you're
 interested is 464-1479..

                                    Thanks for the info.

                                        Dainis.....


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Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
From: cearr@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jesse C. Neese)
Subject: Re: Miniature Games
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:35:14 GMT

           Citadel uses 22mm, not the usual 25.
           Epic (Space Marine) is in 6mm.

                                  CEARR
From: u2119737@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: Re: Paranoia
Date: 11 Dec 92 00:32:41 +1000
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of New South Wales


In article <pad.722758990@probitas>, pad@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Paul A Daniels) writes:
> 	I played one game of paranoia.... 
> Very Silly game :)
> 
> Paul.

I wanna play! I haven't had a good game on Paranoia in ages. Are there any
Con's on soon which cater for we Loyal Friends of the Computer?

Malcolm

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