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From: gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen)
Subject: Re: Torches (care of)
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 03:59:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec25.230114.13572@black.ox.ac.uk> ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Daniel J Mitchell) writes:
>
> Is there any particular recommended way to stop juggling torches?
>I've read the 'torches' file on piggy, but that stops at the 'douse
>in the paraffin' stage -- after that, what? Currently, I'm just
>washing them with swarfega (oil-removing goop, for the soot) and
>water, and storing them in a plastic bag (to avoid making the
>entire area around them smell of paraffin too offensively). Is
>there anything special I should be doing? Do the wicks need
>rinsing, or are they safe to just leave? And so on..
>
> Thanks.
>
>--
>Daniel Mitchell == ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk == bi furry juggler


Do not rinse torch wicking ... under the heat of the torch, the wood of the 
torch expands opening the grain of the wood.  Water will easily enter and 
soften the wood.   This leads to warpage, splitting and just generaly weakens
the wood.  The wick on the other hand is coated with some fuel (under any
circumstances) which is usualy water based.  As oil and water do not mix, some
water is retained within the weave of the wick.  It takes some time for
the water to get out, but during that time the torch wick will hold less
fuel.  I do not know how paraffin behaves with water, but I guess I should
find out.  I'll report when my tests are over.

The best way to clean your wicks is to burn the excess fuel off.  If you can
not light the torch with a match, the odds are good that it is safe.

As for storage of the torches,  I recomend a natural fiber bag (eg. cotten ..
like an old pants leg)  Some fuels can eat through plastic.  I use a plastic
bag in a cotten bag.

GReg Cohen
Another Infinite Illusions Tip.
gcohen@mailer.acns.fsu.edu

PS. is piggy just a mirror of moocow, if not what is on it?
From: 71035.525@CompuServe.COM (David J Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Juggling Clubs
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:21:35 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

In article <29DEC199213064131@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>,
femanrs@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (BRUCE MANNERS) writes:
>So... I propose that all of you folks should list your local club and 
>either a phone or E-mail Contact name. 

	The Coconut Grove Juggling Exchange
	Currently Juggling on Thursday Nights
	From 8:00pm to 10:00pm on the third
	tier of the cocowalk.  We're opposite the 
	Baja Beach Club below the AMC theaters.

	Contact:  David Ward   71035.525@compuserve.com
                               305-735-3838
                         or
                  Roger        305-663-0331

If you saw CNN a couple of days ago you might have seen Kevin juggling
in the King Mango Strut parade.   Watch for us on the 31st in the 
King Orange Bowl parade.  We'll be with a big bunch of clowns. I
don't know if they'll show us because I've heard that in the past
we are where the commercials go.  Oh well.

david ward
71035.525@compuserve.com
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From: gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen)
Subject: Re: Unicycle
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 13:23:43 GMT

In article <MARKT.92Dec29113211@wundt.harlqn.co.uk> markt@harlqn.co.uk (Mark Tillotson) writes:
>gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen) writes:
>> 	Look at your peddles .. they are labled near where they are
>> screwed onto the crank.  If you have the seat facing the wrong way, or
>> if you sit on it backwards you can unscrew the peddles.
>
>Isn't it the other way round, the pedals _should_ naturally unscrew in
>the direction of pedaling, so that if a pedal-bearing jams solid, it
>is going to unscrew rather than break your ankle.  (Well, the
>principle comes from fixed-gear racing bikes with tow-clips or bolt-on
>shoes...)
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>|\  /|          | ,  M. Tillotson       Harlequin Ltd. \
>| \/ |  /\| |/\ |<   markt@uk.co.harlqn  Barrington Hall,\
>|    |  \_| |   | \  +44 223 872522       Barrington,      \
>I came, I saw, I core-dumped...            Cambridge CB2 5RG \
>

I believe if you check, fixed gear racing bikes are the exception, they
also have some kind of locking mechanisim, so the pedals will not come off
unexpectatly.  Every unicycle that I have delt with (schwin, miata, emory,
and the unicycle factory) unscrew when pedaling backwards (I've learned this
from experiance)  I don't ride much anymore, but on my current unicycle I
have used pipe tread tape to keep the pedals on for riding backwards.  

-GReg
gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu
From: enl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Erik N. Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Impressive tricks
Date: 22 Dec 92 01:30:04 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University


As a general comment on all arts, musicians, painters, sculpers, writers, 
etc. have all been aware for centuries that no one appreciates an art until
they have learned about it. Remember your first opera? almost everyone \
hates it. But, after learning about the music, the background of the 
composers, the base story, etc., a fair number of people learn to like it.
I personally cant tell the difference between _Carmen_ and _the_Ring_Cycle_,
but opera lovers can. (This is an easy example to understand) 
   Other well known examples are modern sculpture (Eg: probably about 90%
of US. college campuses have a sculpture nicknamed `rusto', `the junk pile',
or something similar) and many modern era painters.
   As was stated earlier, by (reference forgotten), you must teach your
audience to appreciate your art. But even if you do, not everyone will 
appreciate it. Remember the guy that could do twelve at the circus? (no, not 
the Tongan, but around the same time) Or so someone thought they remembered.
(See the old listserv archives on moocow if you don't know the thread I'm 
refering to... a few month either way of july 91 I think)

Erik Levin enl@silver.lcs.mit.edu   
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From: steve@igor.mwc.com (Steve Ness)
Subject: historical question
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:11:59

My wife just gave me a beautiful old French poster by Faria
(Affiches Faria, Paris) featuring a juggler named Orla.
The poster probably dates from ca. 1900, judging by the artwork.
The elegantly tuxedoed Orla performs four tricks in the poster:
1) juggling chair, stool, and newspaper (on a stick, as in a library),
2) juggling table, lit candle, and candlestick,
3) juggling cup, saucer, coffeepot and platter while seated, and
4) tossing top hat to top of cane balanced on forehead.

If anyone has dates or other information about Orla, please let me know;
I don't have Zeithen's book or any other historical material.
Thanks!

  --- Steve Ness --- Tel.: 415-821-1235 --- Email: steve@mwc.com ---
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From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: Tax evasion!!
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:14:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.092603.14050@sq.sq.com> dave@lsuc.on.ca (David Sherman) writes:
>
>Whether you carry on business is COMPLETELY unrelated to whether you
>register a business name.  Only the former is relevant for purposes
>of determining what expenses you can claim for income tax purposes.
>
This is an overly literal view of the situation. Sometimes Revenue
Canada needs to "decide" whether you are running a business or
not. They don't just ask you. They look at things like: does the
business have a bank account? Letterhead? Business phone line?
More than one client? Do you run a financial risk? (for example
if you have been on contract to one company for five years,
there isn't much chance you'll lose money) Does the company own
assets such as computers? And so on.

Well, if you want a bank account in the company name, you have
to bring along incorporation papers or the little slip from the
Ministry showing you've registered the name. Same when you want
a phone, a business American Express, etc etc. So if there is
any chance you need to prove to Revenue Canada that you really
are a sole proprietorship rather than an employee trying to
deduct things employees don't get to deduct, registering the
name of your company is a very important first step.

There are many more deductions available than just depreciating
your computer, btw. The phone bill and letterhead cost a little
less than they otherwise would, because you can deduct them.
If you drive to juggling engagements you may be able to
deduct car expenses, or other travel expenses (a GO Pass in
our case). And if you have an office in your home, you can
deduct a portion of your rent or mortgage interest. In the
early years of Gregory Consulting, when we were not incorporated,
we deducted about $10,000 a year from the company income
when calculating taxes. That kind of deduction is why Revenue
Canada often wants you to prove you really are running a business.

>Anyone who has a significant amount of business income should
>obtain professional advice to make sure they pay only the minimum
>amount of tax legally required of them.  There are a number of
>ways to arrange one's affairs to help reduce and defer tax.

Absolutely. Even if you do not incorporate you should have
an accountant and a lawyer. They will save you more than their
fees in most cases.

And a rule of thumb about incorporating: once you are consistently
making money from your business and are giving up your day job,
incorporate. As long as you are losing money (for tax purposes;
for example bringing in 8,000 and deducting 10,000 from it) and
supporting yourself with regular employment income, remain a
sole proprietorship.

Kate
get a lawyer! get an accountant! Don't take my word for any of this.
>


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From: toddc@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (todd.a.claxton)
Subject: Re: Juggling Clubs
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:57:33 GMT
Keywords: Up For Grabs - Aurora, IL



		"Up For Grabs" Juggling Club 
			(IJA Affiliate)

	Meetings Wednesday nights from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m.
	at the McCullough Park Gym, Lake St. (Rt. 31)
	and Illinois Ave., Aurora, IL.  We're roughly 
	45 minutes west of Chicago on I-88.
	
	Contacts:	Steve Rahn  (708) 859-1610
		  or
			Todd Claxton  (708) 892-5949
			net address: toddc@ihlpm.att.com

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From: sdfinuca@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Sean Finucane)
Subject: Re: Juggling Clubs
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:23:55 GMT

In article <29DEC199213064131@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>
femanrs@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (BRUCE MANNERS) writes:
> 
>>It has occured to me that there may be many other jugglers on the Net who
>>live in towns (or at least close by) where there are juggling clubs that
>>they don't know anything about.
>>
>>So... I propose that all of you folks should list your local club and
>>either a phone or E-mail Contact name.
> 
University of Waterloo Juggling Club
Blue Activity Area of the PAC
Mondays, 5:45-7:15pm (Note this is different from past terms)
For more info contact ME! at sdfinuca@cayley.uwaterloo.ca
or (519) 884-3473

Sean Finucane


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From: perry@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (perry)
Subject: Steve Salberg Trying to get onto a Network
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 12:02:08 CST
Comments: CHAIRMAN IJA

IJA director Steve Salberg called me to pass on his request for help in 
finding a way to get onto the rec.juggling newsgroup.  Actually, he 
cannot seem to find any way to get connected to any E-Mail system from 
where he is .

Can someone help him out.  He would like to respond directoly to some of 
the comments on this years videos.  He says, he cannot get onto 
compuserve or anything else.

Here is the information I have to pass onto anyone who can help him out.
Steve Salberg
165 Plane St.
Boonton N.J.
1-201-331-1034 Home

If you cannot get in contact directly with him, I can be the intermediry.

Perry Rubenfeld, IJA Chairman
P.S. Thanks from Steve....and me.
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From: duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Duane Starcher)
Subject: Re: Juggling Clubs
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:30:30 GMT

>>So... I propose that all of you folks should list your local club and 
>>either a phone or E-mail Contact name. 

	Upward Mobility
	St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada
	Meets Saturdays 1:00 - 3:00 in the
	Memorial University Gymnasium

	Contact:  duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
                                                      
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From: hugh evan mc donald <humcdona@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: more on the Carlo book
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:31:14 GMT


......i dont remember the genesis of the postings re the Carlo juggling
book anymore, but if the problem was how to get ahold of this hard-to-find
item ive got another lead if anyones intereste the Whole Earth Catalog
lists 2 ways--
				Random House
				Order Dept
				400 Hahn Road
				Westminster MD 21157

		the other way is through Whole Earths own clearinghouse, which
	ive dealt with several times. theyve been very nice to me:

	tell them its The Juggling Book by Carlo, from page 372 of the WEC,
	and you should call them first to get the current price. if youve
	got plastic you can order over the phone  (800) 845-2000 or
        whoops or (415) 845-3000. Their address is
				Whole Earth Access
				2990 Seventh St
				Berkeley CA 94710.
	they list it at $6.95 but that might be wrong. theyll want $3 for SandH
	and 6.5% tax if youre in CA. hope that helps. h
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From: ecarsten@next1.cs.umr.edu (Edward Carstens)
Subject: Re: Both Hand Passing
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:12:59 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University

In article <MAILQUEUE-101.921219163917.288@phys-irc.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Brendan  
Brolly <PHY5JBB@phys-irc.novell.leeds.ac.uk> writes:
> Could someone please put me out of my misery. For ages I've been
> trying to work out a 7 club pattern for:
> 
>             right hand pass
>             left hand pass
>             right hand self
>             left hand pass
>             right hand pass
>             left hand self

The pps (pass,pass,self) pattern is of course easily done with 6 clubs:
A|(1,3) (1,3) (0,3)
B|(-1,3)(-1,3)(0,3)

where the (1,3) and (-1,3)'s are passes and the (0,3)'s are selfs.

To add a club we perform a local translation at any location:
A|(1,6) (1,3) (0,3)
B|(-1,3)(-1,3)(0,3)

The (1,6) is a quadruple pass.  B would start with the extra club.
This is quite difficult as it is.  We can permute the two throws A makes and  
get the legal pattern:
A|(1,4) (1,5) (0,3)
B|(-1,3)(-1,3)(0,3)

This requires A to throw doubles and triples whereas B still does the usual  
singles.  Of course, B has to catch A's doubles and triples!
There is yet another possible pattern:
A|(0,5) (1,3) (1,4)
B|(-1,3)(-1,3)(0,3)

Hope this alleviates your misery... although I suspect you will still have  
trouble doing these patterns.  Their more easily said than done I'm afraid.

-Ed Carstens
Creator of JugglePro
From: mitch@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Mitch Veenstra)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: A Wonderful Wife...
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:32:53 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

well, Christmas is passed.  I have a wonderfull wife in that she knew exactly
what to get me.  For I am now the proud owner of 3 juggling clubs.  and have spent
most of the weekend trying to figure them out.

just a note to anybody who's trying 3 ball tricks and 4 ball at all.  once you
try clubs for a few days, you'll find that your ball tricks are even firmer than
before.  (now if I could only throw and catch 3 clubs without walking foward,
club juggling isn't ment to be a track sport)

(now lets see, where did I put that address for IJA)

Mitch
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Subject: Re: Juggling Clubs
From: C1899007@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (tobin lathrop)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 09:45:22 CST
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS
NNTP-Posting-Host: 134.124.1.2

In article <29DEC199213064131@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>
femanrs@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (BRUCE MANNERS) writes:
 
>It has occured to me that there may be many other jugglers on the Net who
>live in towns (or at least close by) where there are juggling clubs that
>they don't know anything about.
>
>So... I propose that all of you folks should list your local club and
>either a phone or E-mail Contact name.
 
              St. Louis Jugglers
              Gardenville Community Center
              6651 gravois (corner of gravois and kingshighway)
 
              wednesday nights 6:30 till about 9:30
 
              contact tobin at (314)832-0882
                          c1899007@umslvma.umsl.edu
                          c1899007@umslvma.bitnet
                                          -tobin
         ****sig file??? i dont need no steenking sig file...****
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From: dave@lsuc.on.ca (David Sherman)
Subject: Re: Tax evasion!!
Organization: The Law Society of Upper Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:26:03 GMT

sdfinuca@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Sean Finucane) writes:
>I'm wondering about juggling as a business.  I do computer consulting for 
>different companies, until now under my own name.  I have decided
>to register a company name, since it will, it appears, give me lots
>of good tax breaks (e.g. my new computer will be owned by the company,
>not me, so I may get some breaks and so on)
>
>Does this kind of thing hold up for juggling?  Does anybody do it.
>While I haven't made much money yet from my juggling, (or any really)
>I can see it happening soon.  Does this mean that I could, if I declared
>said income, write off my props?  I can just imagine an auditor looking
>at an expense sheet for a $150 unicycle and $250 for 5 balls!!
>
>I'm registering anyways, so I thought I'd ask how far I can take this.

Your notions about the effects of registering a business name are
misconceived.

Whether you carry on business is COMPLETELY unrelated to whether you
register a business name.  Only the former is relevant for purposes
of determining what expenses you can claim for income tax purposes.

I assume you're not talking about incorporating, which is a much
more involved and expensive process than registering a business name.
Incorporating will create a corporation that has a separate legal
existence from you, and you would be its shareholder.  Registering
a business name (for $50) is simply advising the world, through the
office of the Ministry of Consumer and Commercial Relations, that
if anyone comes across "SDFINUCA Consulting", it's really just Sean
Finucane carrying on business under that name.  That's all that
registering accomplishes.

The one side effect that registering may help you with, for tax
purposes, is that your clients may be more willing to treat you
(under your business name) as an independent consultant rather than
as an employee.  The difference is purely psychological, however; if
you're an independent consultant (as determined by the law), you're
an independent consultant whether you use your own name or some
made-up business name.

As to juggling, that's a separate business from computer consulting,
obviously.  If you have a reasonable expectation of profit, then
subject to various restrictions, you can deduct the expenses of the
business.  And, of course, you needn't pick the same year-end that
applies to your consulting business.

Anyone who has a significant amount of business income should
obtain professional advice to make sure they pay only the minimum
amount of tax legally required of them.  There are a number of
ways to arrange one's affairs to help reduce and defer tax.

David Sherman
(carrying on business as: Maintnix Services)
Tax Author & Consultant
Editor, "The Practitioner's Income Tax Act"
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From: ragatzs@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (steven ragatz)
Subject: Re: Torches (care of)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 16:17:43 GMT

     Oh dear.  Was I supposed to CLEAN my torches?

     I wouldn't worry too much about cleaning your torches.  Wipe off
the excess soot with a cloth after each use and you can leave it at that.
After all, your only going to set fire to them the next time you use them.
If you have trouble getting to torches to go out you can use a water
soaked cloth or towel to smother them.  You can also use a "Hell Box" to
put out the torches.  The Hell Box is some container that doesn't burn -
metal is good - where you can let the torches burn themselves out.  You
need a closed box so that the fire consumes the oxygen in the container and
the fire dies out.  You don't want to wait for the fuel on the wicks to
run out because then the wicks themselves begin to burn.

     A great Hell Box can be made using an army surplus ammo box.  They
are metal, have sealed lids and are designed to carry things about the
size of a juggling club.  They are also very cheap.  I use mine to carry
around all fire stuff this helping to contain some of the smell.

-     Steve

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From: thomasl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu ((thomasl))
Subject: please advise
Summary: do i or don't i?
Keywords: vegas, uni, bouncing
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:30:14 GMT

vegas is going to be excellent
but, oh dear!
what to bring?
a friend of mine has reportedly decided to NOT bring his clubs:
"after all, thomasl will have clubs, which i can use..."
so i decided i wouldn't need to bring my combat clubs, since, 
after all, 
i have a friend who is sure to bring LOTS of soft clubs, which i can
use...

here's the question, tho
i want to bring my uni
everyone says
DON'T bring your uni
why not? i say.  i will want to unicycle
is anyone else bringing unicycles
if anyone out there knows the facilities, could you please tell me if
there is going to be unicycling (what's the floor like? are uni's
allowed?)
should i bring my uni?
is the floor good for bouncing?
and what about fire and knives?
can i practice my torches inside there?
are all of the siteswap people going to win at the blackjack tables?
i understand fire is common place in vegas -- is that true?
after i log off i am going to get one of those boxes steve
ragatz mentioned.  hmmmmm, i wonder where steve got his...
do you have to go to hell to get one?
and what is the fastest way to go to hell?
does it involve christmas cookies and prisoner reruns?

now that i think about it, steve ragatz is sort of a scary character
and how DOES he do all of those amazing tricks?
i do not like where this line of thought is going
so i will not think about it anymore
in fact,
i suggest you don't either.
if you know what's good for you.

don't say i didn't warn you.
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