HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: New York Times article
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:16:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscsvax.1992Sep3.121639.6477
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hi again.

Some of you may be interested in the prominant article in today's
New York Times Op/Ed page (A13, 9/2/92), entitled " Don't Sell Out
Lebanon", by Amin Geymeyal. 

Here are some exerpts:

   "Lebanon, the first nation in the Arab Middle East to institute
    modern democratic precepts, has a history of vigorous electoral
    contests reflecting a more than century-old liberal tradition. 
    Indeed, this long attachment to democratic values indicates the 
    farce- rather, the tragedy- of what are passing for elections in 
    Lebanon on Sunday. 
    
    Sadly lacking in this electoral hoax is any audible voice from the
    U.S. The Bush Administration is fully aware that the vast majority
    of Lebanese are firmly opposed to holding these elections. More and
    more, the Lebanese are concluding that their country has once again
    become a prize to be offered quietly to Syria as part of the enticement
    to Damascus to reach an agreement with Israel in the Arab-Israeli
    talks.  "


-Mary Howard
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: Syrian VW Joke
Organization: LC
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:24:27 GMT

A man was arrested at the Syrian check point in Lebanon because he was caught
smuggling an engine in the rear trunk of his VW Bug.

(Iftah al sandooq,  sho ma`ak?  The man opens the rear trunk)
(Wlaaaa -  Mharrib matoor, (damascus accent) , w - dayir kaman).


It is said that the soldier hit him the engine was running during 
the smuggling operation (hazardous).

Another man was arrested there because he was 
smuggling a car battery under the seat of an Audi 5000S. :)

P.S. I apoligize to all of our brotherly Syrian people, and to all of
the Syrian soldiers serving Lebanon. This was meant as a humorous joke
and not as an insult.  :) :) :) 

jle
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: Re: Elections in Lebanon
Keywords: Honest ?
Organization: LC
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 18:17:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.025519.9156@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout) writes:
>Hi Fellow netters
>
>Today I phoned my father in Lebanon (no not that anxious about the elections
>but wanted to know how my father was). So after exhausting all the subjects, I
>asked him about THE ELECTIONS. The first question I had was about elections in
>the North and who passed ? 
>He couldn't remember all the names but he said that the list of Omar Karami passed
>but got beaten in two seats by the "Islamists" (Fundamentalists a la trend
>nowadays) Fathi Yakan and another guy (I cannot remember the name) who are
>considered "Fundamentalists" won seats in the new parliament.

Yes Rached, the second Fundamentalist was Ahmad Harmoosh.  Both Fathi
Yakan and Ahmad Harmoosh had their own list.  BTW, Fathi Yakan won the
greatest amount of votes in the North, beating the unbeatable historically,
the Karameh's family.


>Then my father (without provocation from me) expresed his thoughts about the
>elections. He said that those were the most honest elections he has ever
>witnessed he even said " You go in, You cast your vote and nobody disturbs you"
>and he added "Anybody saying there is forgery doesn't know what he is talking
>about". 
>Then came the turn for Yesterday's phase of elections, he said that Hizbollah's
>candidates won one seat for the shiaa and one for the sunni Muslims. Also Mr.
>Traboulsi (or Nsouli is it ? see UPI report) is from the group of Sheikh Abdallah
>Alhabashi (more known as AlAhbash in Beirut) "another Fundamentalist".
>
>Now with all those conflicting reports about the election (To tell you the truth
>I beleive my father), one is supposed to be able to sort the truth out. If the
>elections were rigged by Syria would any "Muslim Fundamentalist" ever win ? I
>don't think so since those same "Muslim Fundamentalists" especially in the North
>have opposed Syria in many things and do not act according to its wishes. 
>
>After hearing what my father said and seeing the results I can safely say that
>there are some old faces that got reelected but others have been elected by the
>people, I know for sure that the supporters of Hizballah's candidates are a lot

In fact, many of the candidates in the North happened to be very much
pro-Syria, but lost.  That tells you that Sister Syria did force
a faithfull elections in Lebanon.    I wonder how did Al Hrawi's son
lose in the elections?  Apparently, the elections were very fair.
Lets wish that what happened in Algeria does not happen in OUR lebanon.

Did Taha Naji of Al Ahbash make it?

jle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong)
Subject: GIF Picture Posting - Revision!! alau03.gif => alau04.gif
Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:11:22 GMT

Sorry everyone. I was reading an old index file.

There is already a alau03.gif. So this new Andy Lau picture should
be renamed to alau04.gif. Sorry about that!

Thomas.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Subject: Re: Cheap tickets...
Organization: Western Software Lab
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 06:02:30 GMT


In article <9434@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> you write:
>I saw an ad. in a Chinese News Paper (Atlanta Chinese News) this week 
>about some really cheap tickets to Taiwan:
>
>Dallas - Taipei		$688 roundtrip
>Chicaga - Taipei	$695	"
>Atlanta - Taipei	$695	"
>
>The catch is you must buy the ticket before Sept 8 because that's
>the deadline of the discount offer by the airline (did not say which).
>The company is Wholesale Ticket Center. Maybe they have good deals to 
>HK also, check that out yourselves. Their number is:
>
>	Atlanta: (404) 416-6255 or 1-800-886-8590
>	Miami:   (305) 662-5060 or 1-800-886-8180
>
>Disclaimer: I have no experience dealing with these people. No idea how
>	    good or bad their service is....
>-- 
>Shun Yan Cheung     |  cheung@mathcs.emory.edu      | Office: (404) 727-3823
>Emory University    |  cheung@emory.bitnet          | Fax:    (404) 727-5611
>Dept of Math and CS |  "Life deals you different suits. It's up to you how
>Atlanta, GA 30322   |   to play them".


I think this is part of the fare war that got started by Northwest.
First the domestic war, then onto Europe, and finally to cover part
of the Pacific Rim.  United matches these fares against Northwest.

You might have noticed that the sales do not cover US-Hong Kong.
The Hong Kong market does not need sales to sell the seats.  It's
almost all booked up between mid-Dec through the frst couple of
weeks of January next year.

--
======================================================================
Michael E. Yip
Digital Equipment Corporation	Internet: yip@wsl.dec.com
Western Software Laboratory	UUCP: ...decwrl!wsl.enet.dec.com!yip
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: Hong Kong
Keywords: names
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, UCLA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:48:10 GMT

In article <9224410.11950@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> mldw@mamura.ee.mu.oz.au (David Wo) writes:
>In article <5293@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> rkwst+@pitt.edu (Raymond K Wong) writes:
>>
>>Personally "Hongkies" gives me chills.

	** The Malaysian guys are to blame, indictable you know!

 
>>
>>The British called Hong Kong people "Hongkongites" which is silly too...

	** Quite rare, never heard of that one.


>>
>>I perfer "Hongkongans" "Hongkongians" "Hong Kong yans" etc....
>>
>>ray
>>
>
>What is the official name given to a person (man or woman) who comes from
>Hong Kong anyway?

	** When it comes to recognising ourselves very serious or formally,
	   use "Hongkong people" : you're quite safe. 
	   In that, all gov't publications use that. Look around and you'll
	   see.  

>
>David Wo
>
>	To be a complete honest person. Believe it or not ?

	** I already am, don't have to believe it - JUST BELIEVE ME!


---Cheers,
	Bill	
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  David Wo			|
From: onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Drew)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Storms in Hong Kong
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:57:06 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <Btuq9s.1Mn@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca> lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin) writes:
>...
>What is the difference between hurricane (aka Andrew) and typhoon experienced
>in HK and South East Asia?

They are both tropical depressions.  Indeed they are the same thing.  Even the 
symbols used on weather chart are the same.  We just have different names of it 
in different areas.  However, hurricane does have the connotation of very 
strong wind. 

From what I learnt in A-level Geography, in America, people call it "hurricane."
In Asia, "typhoon."  In Australia, "willy willies."   There should be some 
other names too.  Can folks in Australia verify if its true?  

BTW, hurricane is not aka Andrew.  It is just a name given to a particular
hurricane (which also happens to be my name). 

Andrew 
-- 
+-----------   @}-'--   -----------+  "To Serve, To Strive and Not to Yield"
|      Lee, On-Lit Andrew          |               - Motto of Outward Bound 
|                                  | 
|  email: onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |  "Your disability is your opportunity"
|  University of Texas at Austin   |               - Kurt Hahn,  
+----------------------------------+                 Founder of Outward Bound 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: No defeatism please...
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI 
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:37:41 GMT

G'day mate,

	There's been seen some degree of defeatism being demostrated
(advocated?) quite well(with a vengeance) in schk for quite some time.
I wouldn't think there's much to comment on it. Nothing's worthy of
remark, but a point to make before I go home.

	Folks, no more defeatism please.

	Some cynics' pure flames are really good discouragement. These 
are really pungent, really absolutely harshly discouraging people. But
carrying no remedy, unforturnately... A pure waste of time.

	Hope sincerely that you'd understand, and think the same. 
  

---Good on you,
	Bill
	(5:30pm...ouch! Call it a day!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong)
Subject: HK Scenic Picture Posting - hk1991b.gif
Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:45:05 GMT

Hi everyone. I've just posted another HK scenic picture, hk1991b.gif.
This is a picture of Hong Kong in 1991.
The resolution is 1012 x 881 x 256 color.

The picture was posted to alt.binaries.pictures and
alt.binaries.pictures.misc.
It is also available in the ftp site, nok.lcs.mit.edu
under the directory pub/hongkong/gif/scenic.

Special thanks to John Ho <john@jho.com> for contributing his files.

If anyone know what the content of hk1991a.gif and/or hk1991b.gif
is so that I can have a bit more detail in the index file description
than "picture of Hong Kong", please let me know.

Enjoy!

Thomas.
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: American society
Keywords: names
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:42:30 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

rchoy@clarify.com (Raymond Choy) writes:

>Sometimes I really feel that American seems to go too 
>far (or too sensitive) on racist and sexist.

This is one VERY touchy topic. You have to realize that not all
ethnics groups are racist and sexist; there are a lot of special
interest groups in the US that make loud noises and they end up
capturing the attention of the media.  Have you heard some
radical feminists said, "All sex are rape."  That includes the
legit act between a man and his wife!  Ridiculous!  You also have
all theese minority groups who wants to make $40,000/yr watching 
football and be a couch "potatoe"s (a potato with a 'e' - US education...)

I enourage everyone of you who is already or who is thinking of making US as 
their permanent home to actively take part in fighting for our own
right, to make our voice heard, and to make ourselves visible in 
mainstream USA, or else we will always be the order takers, a second
class citizens.

P.S.  I just found out the popular cartoon show "Simpsons" was originally
	thought out to portray an Asian family called "Samsung" but the
	idea was shot down after numerous protests by the Asian Americans
	community.
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: fook@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Tsang)
Subject: what languages should we use
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:18:47 GMT


-- 
NAME: ANDREW KF TSANG
E MAIL ADDRESS: FOOK@YOYO.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU
MONASH UNIVERSITY, MELBOURNE, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Lou  Wang)
Subject: Re: Storms in Hong Kong
Organization: Australian Maritime College
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 05:30:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.061425.2248@PA.dec.com>, yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip) writes:
>
>
In article <5328@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> you write:
>>In article <1992Aug30.102830.28346@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> raju@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daryanani) writes:
>>>In <78648@ut-emx.uucp> onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (K2-2nd on Earth) writes:
>>>
>>>Except that in HK it would only have caused a few million HK dollars damage, 
>>>rather than the USD30 billion estimate that is being tossed around for the 
>>>damage in Florida!
>>
>>
>>They build apartment complexes and highrisers in Hong Kong, while they build
>>wood-framed plaster-walled houses here.  I heard stories that some person's
>>new house (wood) was blown away while his old house (brick) still stands.
>>I guess that's why I look for a brick/stone house instead of wood, even we
>>don't have hurricane or earthquakes here in the 'Burgh (although we do have
>>torlados...)
>>
>>Ray
>>
>>-- 
>>Raymond K. Wong                                 
>>E-mail: rkwst@unix.cis.pitt.edu, rkwst+@pitt.edu, rkw@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
>>E-mail: sm/pgh/ray%sm@mcimail.com                                       
>>other:  70724.1416@Compuserve.com                            /2./<.vV.          
>
>Haven't you heard of the three little pigs trying to build houses,
>one with haystacks, one with wood, and the other one with bricks?
>
>Seriously this is exactly what happens.  For over 19 years I have 
>lived in the US I cannot understand (and am still amazed) why people
>along the US Atlantic coasts and at least, part of the Gulf, don't 
>want to build stronger houses -- they know that EVERY YEAR they have 
>a high probability of getting the hurricane.  The technology is 
>certainly available.
>
>Telling me that it is too costly to build stronger houses is nonsense.
>Look at the damage that it has done now.  Would it be more expensive 
>to have houses and buildings constructed right in the first place to
>withstand this kind of weather, or is it more expensive now to re-build 
>everything from scratch, not to mention the fact the many people's lives 
>are destroyed!
>
>Had California not adopted stronger earthquake preventive measures
>in its building, highway, and general construction codes, Oct 18 1989 
>would have been a even bigger than the already HUGE disaster in the 
>San Francisco area.
>
>--
>======================================================================
>Michael E. Yip
>Digital Equipment Corporation	Internet: yip@wsl.dec.com
>Western Software Laboratory	UUCP: ...decwrl!wsl.enet.dec.com!yip
test lw
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng)
Subject: [education] Chinese-language education in Hong Kong
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:42:35 GMT

{> From: Daniel Chung
>
>
> [1] [education] Chinese-language education in Hong Kong
> Date: Mon Aug 24 09:12:35 HST 1992
>
>
>      The more I speak Mandarin, the more I discover differences in
> vocabulary between Cantonese and "written Chinese" (namely Mandarin).
> And then I get disapointed why we do not have enough exposure to
> "proper written Chinese".  To give an example, who would know that
> 
> - yung6 gug9 lou4 gug9 gei1 yig9
>
> instead of being
>
> - u"ong4 ju"2 lu2 ju"2 ji1 i4  (ggua kuanh/tianh bbou -- sorry can't
spell)
> 
> should be
> 
> - u"ong4 kao3 xiang1 kao3 ji1 chi'4
> 
> ?
>
>                                                 *Zhong* Qi-Iao, U.S.A.
 
Seems to be very interesting, but, ...
 
My, what are you talking about ?
 
The Cantonese romanization scheme seems to be the Mainland China
one, which is generally quite unfamiliar.
 
The Mandarin romanization does not seem to be the Mainland pinyin,
but appears to be phonetic symbols.
 
And "ggua kuanh/tianh bbou", don't even have a clue.
 
Maybe it helps to translate the phrase into English to make it easier
to guess.
 
Wing
From: onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (K2-2nd on Earth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Storms in Hong Kong
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:46:34 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <BtnHqK.312@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pkk36438@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Polygon) writes:
>A couple days ago just before I came back from Hong Kong, three typoons were
>"circling around" Hong Kong.  This rare atmospheric phenomenon catched the
>attention of many scientists because the strength of wind is low-- while it 
>is under the pressure of 3 storms "together"!
>
>I wonder if those those 3 storms finish playing  hide-and-seek in Hong Kong.
>
>                                                        Peter, UIUC

You have reminded me of Hurricane Andrew.  It could have made the No. 10
typhoon signal in HK.  It's wind speed was 160 mph (or ~256 km/h).  According 
to the Royal Obersevatory, "this signal will be hoisted as soon as there 
are definite indications that the sustained wind speed anywhere near sea 
level in Hong Kong is likely to exceed 117 km/h."   It was way over this 
limit.

Andrew 
-- 
+-----------   @}-'--   -----------+  "To Serve, To Strive and Not to Yield"
|      Lee, On-Lit Andrew          |               - Motto of Outward Bound 
|                                  | 
|  email: onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |  "Your disability is your opportunity"
|  University of Texas at Austin   |               - Kurt Hahn,  
+----------------------------------+                 Founder of Outward Bound 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:10393 soc.culture.china:24585 soc.culture.taiwan:12762
From: zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: News in People's Daily
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:51:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Sep2.175132.17253
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <92246.103139PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>      An airline company in Shanghai decided to let olympic gold
>      medalists Zhuang Yong and Yang Wenyi take their any domestic
>      flights for free for lifetime.
>
>Just imagine: they can fly from anywhere to anywhere for free in the rest
>of their lives. What a great awards if the plane will never crash!
>

Not necessary crash. After several times of waiting for seat
confirmation or delays, like some netters pointed out, I 
bet they will give up these free flights for lifetime.


Z. Liu
From: v999r377@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (J. Salleh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: pkzip and unzip
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:29:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi, could anyone tell me where I can ftp pkzip.exe and pkunzip.exe ?
Please reply through my e-mail.  Thanks.

J.S.
From: dial109@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Siu-Ki Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: health insurance in the us
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:55:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

Does anyone know if a foreign national in the us can obtain health insurance
coverage? If so, where and which are the better ones?

Thanks.

-skc
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: 91066702@cphkvx.cphk.hk
Subject: The latest pop charts from HK
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 07:40:40 GMT

Hi everybody,
This is Aulina Chan Sau Chun from Hong Kong, who'd posted a mail, asking
if anyone here is interested in HK's pop music. I'd received many mails
from you and let me take a chance to say thank you first.

Since I'd got to answer a very large number of mails, so I decided to send
the latest information on SCHK instead of replying all of the same things
indiviually. (However, I'll continue to answer and reply all of your private
individual mails concerning specifc subjects.)

Ok, here comes the latest charts from Commercial Radio 2:

Pop Albulmn Chart Top three (Sorry, I don't have time to listen to all of it)

 1: Alan, Tam Wing-lun      "Love Story"(I'll find out the Chinese name later)
 2: Aaron, Kwok Fu-shing    "Neverending singing, dancing and loving"
            (Chang4 Bu4 Wan2, Tiao4 Bu4 Wan2, Ai4 Bu4 Wan2 de Guo1 Fu4 Cheng2)
 3: Grasshoppers            "La La means I love you"

Chik Chak pop chart top ten:
 1: Leon, Lai Ming          "My dear" (Wo3 de qin1 ai4)
 2: Yolinda, Yan Cho-sin    "Can you really forget me?"
                            (Ni3 zhen1 de ke3 yi3 wang4 ji4 wo3 ma)
 3: Alan, Tam Wing-lun      "Only you" (Zhi3 you3 ni3)
 4: Ricky, Cheung Wai-kin   "I Love You" (No Chinese name)
 5: Sandy, Lam Yik-lin      "Never giving up" (Bu4 she3 bu4 qi4)
 6: Grashoppers             "Every bit is love" (Mei3 yi4 xie1 ye shi4 qing2)
 7: Kenny Bee,Chung Chen-to "When you're near me" (Dang1 ni3 kao4 jin4 wo3)
 8: Sally, Yip Sin-man      "Red Dust" (Hong2 chen2)
 9: Andy, Lau Tak-wa        "You shake my hear" (Ni3 zhen4 han4 wo3 de xin1
                                                 ling2)
10: Anthony, Lun Wing-leung "Those good days" (Na4 xie1 hao3 re4 zi)

The above singers names are in Cantonese Pinyin and the titles in brackets are
in Mandarin Pinyin.

Hope all of you would enjoy these HOTTEST (just an hour or so ago) news.

See you soon.

Regards. Aulina Chan 91066702@cphkvx.bitnet












Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
From: ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP)
Subject: Re: For those of you that HATE japaneses
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:50:00 GMT

In article <9223921.27229@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes...
> 
>I don't understand why it's considered offensive to call Japanese "Japs".
>When I talk to my fellow Australian friends, they are happy to use *that
>term*.  It wasn't until reading the net that I found out people get offended
>by it.
> 
>Now why is it offensive?
> 
>People call Australians Aussies, HongKongers HongKies, Americans Yanks,
>British Poms, etc, etc.... why is it that Japanese get offended when
>they are called *that term* ?

You can't be that clueless can you?  Japanese do not like to be called
"Japs" for the same reason that Chinese do not like to be called "chinks"
and Vietnamese do not like to be called "gooks".  They are old racist
terminology created by racists of many English-speaking countries.
If your friends happily used that term, then it seems that their education
and culture is not much above of yahoo level.

-- Makoto