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From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: New Orleans vs. 49er's (was Re: WIZARD PREDICTIONS!!!!!!!)
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:43:25 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <alb2001-121192134616@m248-106.bgsu.edu> alb2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Alvino Battistoni) writes:

|KEY MATCHUP'S -       New Orleans  at  San Fran           San Fran by 10
|
|San Fran's offense continues to dominate at all levels!  Waters running
|game gives way to big gain from Rice, Turner, and Jones.  If coverage
|by  Saints is good, Young might have fun!

The incredible victory over the Falcons obscured some rather important
points. First, Tolliver walked all over the SF Defense untill either
he threw an interception or got to the end of the field. SF still has
some important problems in the secondary that were matched only by
Atlanta's incompetence. Second, recall the first drive of the niners.
They failed miserably. Young still has problems and the offense has
got it's high numbers primarily by playing --- and nearly loosing-- to
weak teams such as the Rams, the Patriots and Atlanta. Certainly SF
has a very good offensive team. But the Saints have a equally great defense.
But, the Saints' offense is good, average at rushing and fairly good
at passing, and will not be stopped.

As I said elsewhere, I predict a game in the twenties, if the Saints
pass a lot, which they must do if they want to win. I give the Saints
the edge on this one. Consider also that the niners will be so happy
from their win over Atlanta they will not be in top shape.


-- 
"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
                      Kenneth Boulding                             

					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
						david@cats.ucsc.edu.
From: cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Upcoming Draft
Date: 12 Nov 1992 00:29:58 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1992Nov11.224223.12063@ncsu.edu> kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester) writes:
>In article <97179@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
>>
>>I thought I'd start a new thread:  here are some players I see going in the
>>first round of the upsoming draft (provided there is a draft) and the teams
>>that may take them:
>>
>>1- Drew Bledsoe (Wash St.) Tampa Bay needs a QB real bad! Wyche has shown a

>>2- Garrison Hearst (Georgia) The Falcons need him, they should take him so
>>
>	How about Faulk to someone?  Maybe Phoenix?
>


If your team wants the first pick, talk to the 0-9 Patriots.

They will need to trade down to get two good players for next 
year.

We need Offensive linelmen, WR's, and defensive backs (safeties and CB's).
We also need a QB, a good pass rusher, a good run blocker, and a head coach
as of right now. Sheesh. 

Any questions as to why the Pat's are 0-9?
From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: Most important stat in the '9er/Falcon game
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:16:50 GMT

In <1992Nov11.102227.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:


> xtifr writes:
>> (Too bad MNF didn't decide to carry next weeks matchup between the '9ers
>> and Saints.  That's gonna be a game to watch!)
>> 
>> Go Niners,
>> Go Saints any week but next week.  :-)

>    I think the best match up of the week is on MNF this week: 
>                The AFC Championship

>                  -doug THE dolfan-

Oh yeah, like anybody cares who wins in the AFC.  :-) :-) :-)
-- 
Chris Waters    | the insane don't | "Don't you boys know NICE songs?"
xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers |                 -- Joe's mama
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:05:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1dr65bINNk4d@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.225542.3115@lgc.com> mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:
>>
>>>5, LA Rams, Todd Lyght, cb, Notre Dame,
>>
>>I haven't been following too closely, but from what I've heard he's doing
>>really well.
>
>Maybe he's playing "well", but so is Maryland.  My point was somebody
>who is doing "significantly better" than Maryland.  If you can't find
>somebody like that, then by the original poster's standards, everybody
>in the first round of that draft is a "bust".

Oh come one, stop defending Maryland so much.  He's a good player but that's
all!  Definitely not something that a first choice overall would be expected
to contribute.  People like Mike Croel, Rob Moore, Jarrod Bunch and Brett
Favre have been more of impact players. By that standard, the Cowboys really
lost out in spending the first choice overall for Maryland (I don't recall
calling him a bust, just that using that choice to get someone who hasn't
made a major impact was a bust).

satish nair
go giants
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Teams with anemic offence and Super Defence
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <oeyJnaW00VB=AC7G4c@andrew.cmu.edu>, ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu 
	(Christopher Glenn Huegle) writes...

>Yeh the Steelers lost to the Packers,
>but the Browns beat the Packers,
>and the Browns beat the Steelers.
>Does that make the Browns a better team
>than the Steelers?

No.  Two games against the Browns and a decent comparison of won/lost record
for the year will probably suffice...

>I don't think so.....
>Comparing teams by who they lose to is useless...

As you have it stated--yes.

As the original poster had it--no.  He didn't say, "The Vikes beat the Packers,
the Packers beat the Steelers, the Vikings are better than the Steelers!"

The Steelers went up against a raw QB in Week Four.  They were the better team
on paper.  They had a league-high 12 INTs after 3 weeks, and they lost the game.

The point was, as I saw it, if the Steelers can beat Houston twice and lose
to the Packers, they can beat anybody--but they can lose to anybody, too.

And who can't?

					---Chet Zeshonski
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Cleveland 24, Houston 14
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 10 NOV 92 13:21:53    

In article <2836@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes...

>I look at the two Texas teams, and the main difference I see is coaching.
>Talent-wise, they are pretty much equal.  Maybe the Cowboys have a better
>slightly better defense.  But coaching-wise, they are miles apart.  Johnson
>is an extreme motivator -- he's a demanding, harsh perfectionist.  The
>players know he's not going to settle for any slacking off, because he
>wants to win more than anything.  Irvin missed the team flight to Detroit,
>and Johnson fined him $1000 and benched him for the first series.  In the
>paper, all the players were talking about how mad he was at Irvin, not for
>goofing up, but for goofing up in a way that could have affected the team.

This is unfair.  You have no idea of what Pardee would do if a player 
missed the team flight.  In fact, I thought the punishment Johnson 
administered was light.

What you really mean is that Johnson demonstrates his emotions publically 
and Pardee does not.  This does not mean Pardee does not maintain 
discipline.

JGH
From: desilets@sj.ate.slb.com (Mark Desilets)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Week 9 & cumulative passer ratings
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:50:36 GMT
Reply-To: desilets@sj.ate.slb.com (Mark Desilets)
Organization: Schlumberger ATE, San Jose

In article <1992Nov3.154000.19646@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:

>Cumulative through week 9 (minimum  90 attempts):
>Pos Name              Atts  Comp   Cmp%  Yards  AvgGn  TDs TD %  INT  IN% RATE
>--- ----------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  --- ----  --- ---- -----
> 21 Stan Humphries     227   134   59.0   1673   7.37    7  3.1   12  5.3  70.2
> 22 Mark Rypien        231   126   54.5   1603   6.94    6  2.6    9  3.9  68.9


	Ouch!


																					Mark (Redskins' Fan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Predictions for Week 11
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:46:17 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

Here are the computer program's predictions for Week 11.
HIGHLIGHT GAME: Buffalo vs. Miami.  Fish fans taking THE BET II, prepare
                  to squirm.
===



        
                     Week #11 Game Predictions


       Phoenix        ___   26          L.A. Rams      ___   16

     @ Atlanta        ___   23        @ Dallas         ___   28



       Philadelphia   ___   25          Houston        ___   22

     @ Green Bay      ___   10        @ Minnesota      ___   27



       New Orleans    ___   19          Chicago        ___   30

     @ San Francisco  ___   28        @ Tampa Bay      ___   21



       San Diego      ___   21          N.Y. Giants    ___   24

     @ Cleveland      ___   17        @ Denver         ___   21



       New England    ___   17          Washington     ___   22

     @ Indianapolis   ___   15        @ Kansas City    ___   18



       Seattle        ___   11          Buffalo        ___   30

     @ L.A. Raiders   ___   19        @ Miami          ___   24



       Cincinnati     ___   21          Detroit        ___   18

     @ N.Y. Jets      ___   23        @ Pittsburgh     ___   23
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Player of the Week Questions
Date: 5 Nov 1992 19:22:14 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <1992Nov05.165753.23471@bnr.ca>, patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power) writes:
>
>      I noticed that OT Eric Williams got NFC Offensive Player of
>the Week this week. 
>
>
>      NOTE: Dallas has four offensive POTW awards this year.  Emmitt(2),
>Irvin, and Williams.  But no def. POTW awards.  Any other teams piling
>'em up?

I think Johnny Holland of the Packers won the 
award once. If my memory serves me right it was after
the week in which they beat the Steelers.
Bye,

P.S. I have got to change my sig. 
It's like campaigning for Clinton/Gore now.


************************************************************
N.Ramasubramanian          	    

Dept. of Mech. Engg.	        Listach for ROY
Marquette University       
************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Sports Illustrated midseason All-Pro team
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: net
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:57:12 GMT


I mentioned this in another article and was asked to post the full
list.  Here it is, and all comments from now on are SI's:

------------------------------------------------------------------
New stars are emerging, as evidenced by a poll of 21 NFL personnel
directors and scouts (11 from the NFC, 10 from the AFC) for SI's
midseason All-Pro team.  Cowboy wideout Michael Irvin was the leading
vote getter, with 15 votes, and the Dolphins had more selections than
any other team, with five players among the 25 selected.  Even the
coach favored by the panel, Dennis Green of the Vikings, is a
newcomer.

Pos.	Player			Team	    Comment
--OFFENSE
WR	Michael Irvin		Cowboys	    At his best in big games
T	Mike Kenn		Falcons	    Oldest player (36) on this team
G	Randall McDaniel	Vikings	    Most votes (11) among linemen
C	Bruce Matthews		Oilers	    Pro Bowl player at C and G
G	Steve Wisniewski	Raiders	    A Gene Upshaw clone
T	Richmond Webb		Dolphins    Already dominant at 25
TE	Keith Jackson		Dolphins    Best of a weak crop at his position
WR	Jerry Rice		49ers	    Edges Eagles' Fred Barnett
QB	Steve Young		49ers	    105.0 QB rating since '91
RB	Emmitt Smith		Cowboys	    Tougher version of Tony Dorsett
RB	Ricky Watters		49ers	    New run-catch weapon in S.F.
--DEFENSE
DE	Chris Doleman		Vikings	    From doghouse to sack leader
DT	Cortez Kennedy		Seahawks    The new Jerome Brown
DE	Neil Smith		Chiefs	    Nips Eagles' Clyde Simmons
OLB	Wilber Marshall		Redskins    What a salary drive he's having
ILB	Jeff Herrod		Colts	    243rd pick of 1988 draft
ILB	Junior Seau		Chargers    Also a force at OLB
OLB	Bryan Cox		Dolphins    Eight games, 10 sacks
CB	Rod Woodson		Steelers    A decathlete at corner
CB	Nate Odomes		Bills	    Has played 93 straight games
FS	Louis Oliver		Dolphins    3 int. vs. Kelly clinches spot
SS	Todd Scott		Vikings	    Who misses Joey Browner?
--SPECIALISTS
K	Pete Stoyanovich	Dolphins    An .810 career kicker
P	Rohn Stark		Colts	    Dome-field advantage: 47.2 yd avg
RET	Mel Gray		Lions	    Best return man of this era
--COACH
	Dennis Green		Vikings	    Edges Bill Cowher, Don Shula
From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: ***** SB - MVP *****
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:38:57 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Nov5.152159.14530@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, srs@bnr.ca (Shailesh Sutarwala) writes:
> 
> 
> Can someone recall who was the MVP for the last Super Bowl ?


        Mark Rypien(sp?)
                            -doug THE dolfan-
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Subject: Ho hum, NFC East sweeps week
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:50:26 GMT

Heh, I guess the league's toughest division got a vacation
this week playing no inter-division games...
:)
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Coslet sucks
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:28:59 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <BwvK6r.F92@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Face In The Sky) writes:
> In article <1992Oct28.164752@IASTATE.EDU>, rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner) writes...
>>In article <BwuqEM.yo@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Face In
>>The Sky) writes:
>>> Well, so much for "four-wide receiver sets" bringing down the Bills, because
>>> Bruce Coslet is a cheap mortherfucker with no coaching qualifications.
>>> 
>>> And I quote:
>>> 
>>> "If he wants to stop rushing the passer, I'll stop blocking his legs."
>>> 					---Jeff "Toast" Criswell, on #78,
>>> 					Bruce Smith
>>> 
>>> More on the game (intelligent, not woofing:) later...
>>> 
>>> 					---Relieved
>> 
>>Related to this, did anyone see Roy Firestone's
>>interview of Bruce Smith on Up Close last week.
>>On it, Smith specifically named the Jets and the
>>49er's as being teams that deliberately used
>>illegal chop-blocks (I think he even said they
>>taught the technique to their offensive
>>linemen).  Is it a coincidence that Coslet used to
>>coach for Wyche who used to coach for Walsh in SF?
>>Or are there just bad apples on the coaching
>>staffs or is Smith just making it up?
> 
> This is entirely true.  It's one of the things any defensive lineman from any
> team would tell you.  The Jets are chop-blockers and the 49ers are leg-whippers.
> 
> If I was Bruce, I'd tell Criswell, "Hope your QB has a better time getting back
> up than I do."
> 
> What most DLs will do to combat this is set the O-Linemen up themselves (ie.,
> stand them up, and have someone else block them low.)

	Actually, most of them just jump up in the air when someone tries to
legwhip, or cut block them, as to chop blocks though, I'll take your word for
it.
 
> I can't say I blame them.  The refs should do more to correct the problem...
	
	I agree.  There is nothing sadder than a player being knocked out of a
career because someone plays dirty.

>>R Turner
> 
> 					---Chet Zeshonski

	Smith also mentioned last year, that when he came back to play the
bears from his injury, some of the OLmen (and I think he said all teams, not
just the bears did this) told each otehr which knee it was that was hurt, so
they could attack it.  If that's not dirty, tell me what is.  :)
	-Skins fan that thinks Ryp sux
From: caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Betting on Football in Vegas
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:13:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1drbf2INNl74
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4


	I will be going to Las Vegas this weekend, and was wondering if 
	anyone could give me some ideas on how to go about betting on a game
	or two in Las Vegas. Please give me your ideas of some good games to bet
	on this week, my favorite team is Minnesota, do you think they will
	cover the spread? Should I bet for winners,spreads,points? I really
	have no clue, but I am interested. Please email me asap. Thanks

	Mark
	GO VIKINGS!
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Lin Elliot
Date: 12 Nov 1992 14:52:14 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute
Distribution: usa
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In article <douthit.721578294@scofflaw> douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit) writes:
>syang@rossini.eng.uci.edu (Guess) writes:
>
 >>Is Dallas Cowboys really unhappy with L. Elliot, enough to sign Willis?
 >
 >I don't think the Cowboys are unhappy at this point, he has made 
 >(someone WILL correct me if I'm wrong) 4 or 5 in a row.  The question is,
 >has he finally found the formula, or is he on a fluke streak.  The same
 >question could be asked about the Cowboys.  I hope neither is a fluke.
 
Ken Willis broke his word to Jimmy Johnson, if I know anything 
about JJ, Ken Willis need not apply.....



-- 
Timothy B. Reynolds
CLINTON/GORE volunteer
Election Campaign '92
Houston, Tx
From: a750288@pan.mc.ti.com (John E. Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Patriots News 11/5
Keywords: Bills summary, injuries, Mac down & out
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:47:28 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Materials and Controls Group


Patriots News 11/5

Just when you think it can't possibly get worse....

OT Bruce Armstrong tore ligaments in  his knee during last Sunday's
Bills game.  He will be out for the season.

Coach Dick MacPherson is ill with a gastrointestinal problem. He will be out
at least 2 weeks and possibly the rest of the season.  Special teams coach
Dante Scarnecchia will be the temporary head coach.  He  didn't look too 
happy about the responsibility on the news last night.

Millen's still hurt; Hodson will start the Saints game Sunday at Foxboro.

Bills Summary:

The Pats, especially the defense, hung tough against the Bills, but still 
came out 16-7 losers.  The  0-8  start is the worst in Patriots history.

Appropriately enough, the only Patriots scoring came from the defense.  LB
Vincent Brown recovered a fumble and took it 25 yds for the TD with a minute
or so left in the half.  Baumann added the kick.

The Bills scored the first time they got the ball in the second half.  Then,
near the end of the 3rd quarter, Punter Shawn McCarthy couldn't handle a low
snap and had to fall on the ball in the end zone for a safety.

But the Pats didn't give up.  About halfway through the 4th quarter the Pats
had the ball on the Bills 12 yard line, third down.  All the Pats have to 
do is run a play with no interceptions or fumbles and then  hell even Baumann
can hit a FG from that range.  Hodson dropped back to pass and the Bills
stripped the ball and recovered the fumble.  The Bills then drove down and
scored the game sealing TD.

In addition to Millen being out, 4 defensive starters didn't play:  Tippett,
Singleton, Rembert and Agnew.

Scoring:

NE  Brown 25 yd fumble recovery (Baumann kick)                       7-0
Buf Metzelaars 3 yd pass from  Kelly (Christie kick)                 7-7
Buf Safety, McCarthy tackled in end zone                             7-9
Buf Lofton 13 yd pass from Kelly (Christie kick)                     7-16

Pats Stats

Passing Hodson  17-26-1-171
Receiving  Cook 6-57, McMurtry 4-36, Fryar 2-37, Timpson 2-18, Stephens 2-
16, Russell 1-7
Rushing  Russell 15-40, Vaughn 5-15, Stephens 2-9, Hodson 2-6, McCarthy 1-0
Turner 1-(-1)

Hodson  sacked 5 times
NE defense intercepted Kelly twice, sacked him twice,  and recovered 1 
fumble (for a TD!)

Sunday, The Saints march into Foxboro as the Patriots start the second half
of the season still looking for win number 1.


Take Care,
 
John 



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John Brennan 

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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Subject: Re: Bills v. Dolphins - Billboard
Organization: Houses of the Holy
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:57:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.174335.23312@pixel.kodak.com>, wieser@bissun.Kodak.Com (Jim Wieser) writes:
> 
> The listeners of a Rochester, NY radio station have purchased a billboard located on the Palmetto Freeway just outside of Joe Robbie Stadium. The billboard says "Squish the Fish. Dolphins are going down!" The people in Miami seem to be going nuts about th> is.

I dont see what constructive purpose this will serve.  I am sure this
will just pump the city and the players up even more; something that
Bills dont want to do.  If anything, they want the Dolphins players
to be complacent and overconfident, but after this billboard forget it.


-- 
Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)
Subject: Re: Best/Worst in Franchise History - Dallas
Keywords: Cowboysn
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:43:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.184753.244@bnr.ca> reams@bnr.ca writes:
>
>Drafts/Trades:
>
>Best:
>Fifth-round(?) spent on a Navy qb named Staubach.
>Fifth-round(?) spent on a USFL rb named Walker. (more valuable as a commodity)
>Trade for positioning to pickup Pitt rb named Dorsett.
>Walker to Minnesota for a Fistfull of Picks and Vikes.

Let me get crazy here.  The best trade is the trade of Butch Johnson to
Houston.  How can this be?  That trade was for Renfro and 
a draft pick.  Renfro had a couple good years for the Cowboys and the
draft pick was used for Walker.  You know the rest of the story.

>Worst:
>Being among the 27 teams that let Montana slip by. (at least we're not alone)
>Almost any first-round pick from 1981-1988.
>
>-- 
>Cary W Reams | sneakers.ksh <"cary w. reams"
>NT/BNR/MTXVO | TOO MANY SECRETS:> wry as a merc.   
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>My opinions are not necessarily shared by Northern Telecom/BNR. 
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>