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From: mikebo@i88.isc.com (Michael Borowiec)
Subject: Re: Gandalf & Steve Hackett
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:20:53 GMT

In article <c4UG02ww1eFI01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com writes:
>Can't say I've heard it yet, but if it's half as good as "Source to Sea"
>or "Invisible Power", it'll still be great.
>
Haven't heard these but may check them out. Are they at all similar to
Steve Hackett's solo material?

>I was talking to Archie (Eurock) Patterson about this album a week or so
>ago. Apparently he's at work trying to get the rights to do it domestic-
>ally, and if all works out he should be releasing it in a couple months.
>btw, This also features Tracy Hitchings (QUASAR, STRANGERS ON A TRAIN) on
>vocals on one track.
>
>also btw: Hackett's live album is out domestically - I saw it in the store
>this morning.
>
> peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"

Has anyone heard of any plans for a US Hackett tour of "Time Lapse",
the new solo record. I haven't seen Steve Hackett live since the tour
_Cured_ and would definately not want to miss it...
- Mike

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From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: ELP IN CONCERT
Summary: Palmer in the 90s
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:19:45 GMT

Did anyone else notice that Carl Palmer was playing to a click track
for *every* new ELP song they perform on their current tour?

Does this make anyone else wonder as well? 

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
From: rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Echolyn
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:43:44 GMT
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa

In article <eeIi02Ph1daV01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.141929.22119@gvl.unisys.com> rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
>>Today's (8/13) _Philadelphia Inquirer_ has an article on a band
>>called Echolyn.  The depiction of their music as "tapestries of
>>changing meters, cascading rhythms and shifting, often uneven,
>>tempos" seems to indicate that they fall into the "progressive"
>>category.  Has anyone heard their music?  
>
>Absolutely. I've got their CD and it's a smoker. And for sure it is
>progressive in every sense of the word. Lots of tight interplay between
>keyboards and guitar, excellent vocals, and thoughtful lyrics for a
>change. There's lots of dynamic changes, assymetric melodies and other
>goodies keep the mood of the music in a perpetual state of flux. They
>don't sound derivative like most of the modern prog bands, in fact I hear
>a lot of expansion and experimentation in their music, a refreshing
>change. The de-facto main movers in the band are vocalist Ray Weston and
>Brett Kull on guitar and vocals, who are responsible for most of the
>writing.Chris Buzby plays keyboards, and the rhythm section is driven
>by drummer Paul Ramsey and either Thomas Hyatt or Jesse Reyes on Bass
>(Track Depending). Guest musicians add occasional sax, violin and cello.
>Standout tracks are the album opener "Fountainhead/The Great Men",
>"On Any Given Nite", the 14 minute multi-part opus "Shades", "Velveteen
>Rabbit" and the stunning "Meaning and the Moment".
>
>With ECHOLYN, ANIMATOR, MASTERMIND and DJAM KARET, I'm convinced that
>Progressive music in the USA is alive and well and stronger than ever,
>listen for yourself, support these bands, go to their gigs and buy their
>discs. Your support will go far to help these new bands produce more
>great music.
>
>
>peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"

Thanks for the Echolyn info; now I'm on the prowl for their first CD.
BTW, the Philly Inquirer also stated that their next CD (whose name
escapes me) will be released in the fall. 

I recently purchased Djam Karet's _Reflections From the Firepool_ based
on the opinions of this newsgroup.  I love it.

I've never heard anything by Animator or Mastermind.  Could you
recommend some specific CDs?


Thanks again,

Ralph
.
From: dgrimm@awm.cs.gmr.com (Don Grimm CS50)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Emerson's Best Revenge:MurderRock
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:42:47 GMT
Reply-To: dgrimm@awm.UUCP (Don Grimm CS50)
Organization: GM Research Labs, Warren, MI


  (Shiv Naimpally) shiv@bnr.ca writes:

  > I saw this CD recently and was debating whether to get it. Can anyone
  > tell me what its like ?

  Emerson soundtracks have never really grabbed me.  There's a couple of
  good tracks on these but there's a lot of filler, too.

  From Best Revenge, 'Orchestral Suite from Best Revenge' is a 15 1/2 minute
  piece which mixes keyboards and orchestra and is pretty good.  'Playing
  for Keeps' is a rock song with Brad Delp from Boston on vocals.  Nothing 
  special.
  
  From Murderock, 'Prelude to Candice' is a good piano piece (although short), 
  and 'Candice' is a good melodic piece.  Most of the rest is forgettable.

  The main problem, I guess, is that a lot of his soundtrack stuff doesn't 
  stand very well on it's own.  'Inferno' I don't like at all.

  The CD 'The Emerson Collection' has all the stuff you'd want to hear from 
  the soundtracks, if you can find it.
  
  -later

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dgrimm@awm.cs.gmr.com
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: mikebo@i88.isc.com (Michael Borowiec)
Subject: Lamb Lies Live Question (was: re: random questions)
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:25:52 GMT

In article <85989@netnews.upenn.edu> jarnot@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Kevin J. Jarnot) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.020358.5339@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> David.A.Wolk@dartmouth.edu (David A. Wolk) writes:
>>In article <13931@auspex-gw.auspex.com>
>>johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>>
>>> |
>>> |> Question Three:  Are recordings of the "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" tour 
>>> |>                available (I'd love to hear this live in it's entirety (sp) but
>>> |>                all I can ever find are recordings from "Selling England..."!)?
>>> |There are many recordings of the entire show.  They are incredible!
>>> But you can only get them if you live in the bay area.  <snicker, snicker>
>>...or Philadelphia.
>
>WHERE IN PHILADELPHIA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
>
>HELP!!!!!!!
>
>

Help Indeed! Many moons ago I purchased a double-live vinyl set of the
Lamb show called "Swelled and Spent". The packaging was slick and, at
first glance, looked to be an official live album. But alas, it was
only a poor quality audience boot. )-8

I recently heard some live Lamb material, I think it was on King Biscuit.
Truly tremendous sound quality courtesy of the BBC archives. It is an
absolute sin that the BBC doesn't broadcast the entire show! (Wembley
Arena - June 23, 1974). Songs were "In the Cage", "Back in NYC", "Chamber
of 32 Doors", "Carpet Crawlers", "Evil Jam" (aka "The Waiting Room"?) and
"The Light Dies Down on Broadway". Did the BBC ever broadcast this show
in its entirety? I would love to have a copy!

Failing a miracle (where I get into the BBC archives with a HiFi stereo
VHS recorder) can anyone recommend a *GOOD* quality Lamb boot on CD?
I'm also interested if anyone knows about any US or Canadian radio shows
of the Lamb tour (radio station call sign, city and date helpful). 
Thanks!
- Mike

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Subject: Re: 4AD record label
From: verbit@widder.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:14:04 EDT
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.

In article <1992Aug17.195635.14831@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@widder.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>In article <1992Aug16.180156.2886@uwm.edu> aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Strider) writes:
>>I've seen some ads on music and cyberpunk mag's for the record label 4AD.
>>What are the bands like that record for this label?  Is there anything
>>specific to their sound or stlyes?  I also remember seing something about a
>>newsgroup for just this label.  Is this true?
>
>>Steve J. White
>>aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
>>skeptic@large@9600bps
>
>
>There is no newsgroup for 4AD label, only mailing list (alas!).
>
>4AD bands include some progressive ones, notably
>Cocteau Twins (not sure if everybody will agree
>with me, but everybody who listened to, say "Victorialand"
>will agree :) and Dead Can Dance. Sometimes various members
>of DCD, CT and other 4AD groups recordi as This Mortal Coil,
>this is quite progressive too. 
>
>There are much more bands on 4AD which is undisputably
>alternative (i. e., not progressive): Pixies, Throwing Muses, 
>Clan of Xymox, Xmal Deutchland, Wolfgang Press. Most of their records
>(except Pixies and Thr. Muses) are not available in US 
>yet, but will be released next year. 
>
>Misha.


I forgot to say how their music sounds like etc.
There is nothing specific about it, axcept that their music
in best cases is a way more experimental that one of most
contemporary alternative or progressive bands. I guess
that's why they are still not released domestically.

Dead Can Dance is a band comprising of two vocalists,
male and female. They play slow repetitive music
wich is heavily influenced by middle-age musicianship
(circa 14 century :) and Georgian chants. Some early
albums were supposedly more guitar oriented, in early
Genesis style. I don't have them: since they are costing 
~25 bucks, I am waiting for a general release of 4AD stuff.

Cocteau Twins are far more adventureous. Lyrics is
absolutely unintelligible, while music sounds like
a cross between Clannad of Dulaman period and Klaus 
Schultze. They use treated acoustic guitar instead of
synthesizer. Singing is very melodic, and very 
folk-oriented, except for absence of lyrics.

Don't buy the Queer by Wolfgang Press. 
Bland annoying pop album (their last and
only released domestically; I've bought 
it as cut-out).

Misha.
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Echolyn
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:38:02 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug13.141929.22119@gvl.unisys.com> rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
>Today's (8/13) _Philadelphia Inquirer_ has an article on a band
>called Echolyn.  The depiction of their music as "tapestries of
>changing meters, cascading rhythms and shifting, often uneven,
>tempos" seems to indicate that they fall into the "progressive"
>category.  Has anyone heard their music?  

Absolutely. I've got their CD and it's a smoker. And for sure it is
progressive in every sense of the word. Lots of tight interplay between
keyboards and guitar, excellent vocals, and thoughtful lyrics for a
change. There's lots of dynamic changes, assymetric melodies and other
goodies keep the mood of the music in a perpetual state of flux. They
don't sound derivative like most of the modern prog bands, in fact I hear
a lot of expansion and experimentation in their music, a refreshing
change. The de-facto main movers in the band are vocalist Ray Weston and
Brett Kull on guitar and vocals, who are responsible for most of the
writing.Chris Buzby plays keyboards, and the rhythm section is driven
by drummer Paul Ramsey and either Thomas Hyatt or Jesse Reyes on Bass
(Track Depending). Guest musicians add occasional sax, violin and cello.
Standout tracks are the album opener "Fountainhead/The Great Men",
"On Any Given Nite", the 14 minute multi-part opus "Shades", "Velveteen
Rabbit" and the stunning "Meaning and the Moment".

With ECHOLYN, ANIMATOR, MASTERMIND and DJAM KARET, I'm convinced that
Progressive music in the USA is alive and well and stronger than ever,
listen for yourself, support these bands, go to their gigs and buy their
discs. Your support will go far to help these new bands produce more
great music.


peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
From: verbit@birkhoff.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: 4AD record label
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:22:31 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.

In article <1992Aug18.165301.1980@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.195635.14831@husc3.harvard.edu>  writes:
>> There are much more bands on 4AD which is undisputably
>> alternative (i. e., not progressive): Pixies, Throwing Muses, 
>> Clan of Xymox, Xmal Deutchland, Wolfgang Press. Most of their records
>> (except Pixies and Thr. Muses) are not available in US 
>> yet, but will be released next year. 
 

>I don't know how "undisputably alternative" Clan of Xymox is, at least in  
>the context that you claim This Mortal Coil could be considered  
>progressive. An often overlooked but *incredible* Xymox album is Medusa.  
>Very lush (not Lush - ha ha) and borderline progressive. Don't think I'd  
>ever confuse 'em with ELP though...

>Gordon

Just to point out: a) Xymox =! Clan of Xymox (similar lineup, different
styles) and b) Xymox is not on 4AD, while Clan of Xymox was on 4AD.
Xymox is a major label band (WEA?).

Not that it makes any difference :)

Misha.
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: Toni Figl
Subject: Re: Emerson's Best Revenge: MurderRock
Organization: Caltech
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:46:49 GMT

In article <WHITE.92Aug21165203@hydro.mps.ohio-state.edu>
white@mps.ohio-state.edu (The Master) writes (abridged):
>
>	"Best Revenge" and "Murderock" are two seperate soundtracks.
>Chord Records stuck them both together on a single CD release.  BTW,
>the rights to the recordings are in dispute so Emerson probably isn't
>getting any roylaties from these sales.
>
>	Anyway, "Best Revenge" has some wonderful material on it.
>
>	"Murderock" is much weaker
>	Emerson's best soundtrack though by far is "Inferno".  Find
>this one if you can; it picks up where "Piano Concerto #1" left off.
>
>	"The Emerson Collection" selects cuts from all the soundtracks,
>but almost ignores "Inferno".

Bullseye Dave! I am an Italian citizen, and INFERNO (as you might imagine means
"hell" in my language) was filmed by one of the most appreciated (although
lesser known in the US) Italian horror directors, Dario Argento. I remember
seeing it as a teen-ager and was fascinated by the use of color in the movie;
if you have the album/CD the skull/lips picture in red and blue is very much
like the cold/warm color contrast found in the movie. But I remember the music
fitting perfectly to the mood of the movie. I have the soundtrack on vinyl and
a huge movie poster which I found years ago in Perugia.
When I saw The Emerson Collection in a used CD bin I immediately jumped to it,
but had to cringe when I heard the tell-tale snap-crackle and pop of a vinyl
master!  In any case, the tracks selected from Inferno which appear in the
collection are certainly very good ones. The soundtrack contains many songs
which use the Inferno theme with variations, a wonderful organ piece and a
weird rocker (Taxi Ride -Rome). Imagining this song in a horror movie will set
your teeth on edge when you hear it.
On my recent vacation in Italy I found the CD, which for Italian prices (18000
lire) is as low as it can get for a CD. But it would still translate to about
US$15. 
I am really curious to find out whether this movie has ever been released on
video in the US, since I did see a PAL copy in Italy many years back..

On an unrelated topic, I finally got a hold of Aqua, the new Asia album. Sorry
if this has been discussed before, but could anyone fill me in on the new voice
of the group, John Payne?


    Later,

            Toni             figlt.ccomail@starbase1.caltech.edu
From: SATELLITE@eldi.epfl.ch (Uncle Alias)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Dream Theatre Question
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:43:16 GMT
Organization: Satellite -- Enjoy!.. -- EPFL Students pub
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

In <1992Aug16.220939.20200@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca writes:

> 
> I just picked up the new Dream Theatre CD and was wondering if the
> first track is really supposed to end abruptly, on my copy it
> just comes to a halt as if the tape ran out or something! Yet,
> the timings on the CD booklet match the timing on my player.
> 
> Anil Prasad
> wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca

	It's supposed to. Strange thing, uh?..

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From: ajr@aber.ac.uk (Ade Rixon)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: waiting for waters
Summary: Amused To Death, KAOS and Waters interview
Date: 23 Aug 92 12:12:14 GMT
Organization: University Of Wales, Aberystwyth - Party town!

In article <22AUG199217220962@sigma.tamu.edu> krm3611@sigma.tamu.edu (Ken McWatters) writes:
>In article Byron Taylor writes...
>>Has anyone out there heard anything about the new roger waters album due out
>>very soon (sept first ?) ?  Rumor is that he is not happy anymore.  The tide
>>has turned and it is red.
There is an interview with Waters in "Rock CD" mag (UK mag, dunno if it
exists elsewhere). In it he says that if the album does not end on an
optimistic note then he has failed. However, the album does sound extremely
acidic. It gets 4 stars in the review. I guess interviews will be appearing
in several mags soon. The single, btw, is out tomorrow in the UK....<drool>

>I heard the first single (I assume) about a week ago, called "What God Wants."
>It sounds kinda cool, a continuation of the Radio KAOS sound.
Funnily enuff, Waters also says [this may be a slight misquote]: "Ian
Ritchie and I really fucked up Radio KAOS by trying to go for a modern
sound". He goes on to note a couple of parts he now finds "embarrassing".

Presumably we'll find out what the album is like soon enough, but it has
been getting some rave advance reviews. Took him bloody long enough to
complete it (given that he started recording on the KAOS tour). Btw, Rog
says it will have to sell at least 4 million worldwide for him to tour.

Ade_
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From: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: French TV  (3rd Album) ?
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:58:06 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Does anyone remember this band ? They're from Kentucky I think, and
released two albums in the latter half of the 80's (the first self-titled,
the second was "After a Lengthy Silence"), their sound was sort of in the
french fusion vein but a little more quirky, their 2nd reminded me of
mid-period Magma just a little.

Anyway, they were supposed to come out with a third album over 3 years
ago, Wayside listed it twice in their"Coming Soon or Eventually" box
but then I never heard anything about it again. Then more recently
they've mentioned a different FTV title "Virtue in Futility" in their
"Coming Soon" box, but to date nothing has materialized.
What's the deal on this band ?  Are they recording or gigging or what ?
Does anyone know what's going on with them ?

peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
Xref: sparky alt.music.progressive:2004 rec.music.misc:21727
From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.misc
Subject: Interested in electric violin?
Date: 15 Aug 92 12:53:01 GMT
Organization: soon: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
CC: chrisley


If you're interested in electric violin, you might want to know about
Ed Alleyne-Johnson.  He's the violinist for New Model Army, but he's
just released a solo CD called "Purple electric violin concerto".  Not
really a traditional "concerto", the album is a showcase of A-J's
talents.

A-J recorded the album solo, completely direct to tape; no
multi-tracking or overdubs.  The textures, complexity and polyphony
are provided by real-time effects and delay-loops.  The effect is
contrapuntal, yet organic.  Some elements of his music are
understandably Minimalist (ala Glass), while others are distinctly
neo-classical.

If you are interested in more information, or would like to order the
CD (I'm not sure how much he would charge for mail order from outside
of Britain), you can write to:

Equation Records
PO Box 547
Oxford, Oxon
United Kingdom

Make sure you enclude a self-addressed envelope with
stamps/international reply coupon.

In the UK the cassette is #7, and the CD (with 2 bonus tracks) is #11,
including postage.

I have no connection to A-J, other than being a satisfied listener.

--
Ronald L. Chrisley                                  New College
chrisley@csli.stanford.edu                          Oxford  OX1 3BN
Tel:  +44 865 279555 (messages)                     United Kingdom
                                     Yes, that's my complete address!
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Search for new Prog Bands
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:25:55 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug14.203730.29107@muddcs.claremont.edu> jstimson@jarthur.claremont.edu (John Stimson) writes:
>
>I just found a single of "Pernod for the Bamboo Man" byt The Guitar
>Orchestra.  Cool!  What albums have these guys put out?

That's the only one so far, altho there is an EP-CD with two additional
versions of the title track that are not on the CD.

>Also, got a copy of Djam Karet's "Reflections from the Firepool".  Also very
>cool - I've seen two other CDs by them, any comments on differences/
>similariies between their albums?

"Burning The Hard City" is all of the hard-rocking stuff, and "Suspension
and Displacement" is the more spacy, electronic stuff; Both released late
last year, both smoke. There's an earlier cassette titled "The Ritual
Continues" that is hot also, I'm waiting patiently for a CD release of it.


peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)   "The Lighthouse Keeper"
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive