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From: yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Chinese Xiang4 Sheng1 (Hsiang4 Sheng1)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 14:15:10 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tssmed.hsc.usc.edu


In this new group, we have too many arguments and too few entertainment.
I think it's time to talk about something funny and entertaining.
Here are some excerpts from one Xiang4 Sheng1 'Ill-critique of Three
Warring States' - Wai1 Pi1 San1 Guo2.

A: Do you know the family names of Zhu1 Ge3 Liang4's & Zhou1 Yui2's mother?
B: No. I don't know. Do you?
A: Yes, of course. zhu1 ge3 liang4 mother's family is he2 and zhou1 yui2
   mother's family name is ji4.
B: How do you know?
A: Because when zhou1 yui2 was dying, he said 'Ji4 sheng1 yui2, he2 sheng1
   liang4.
B: Really?
A: Do you know what zhao4 yun2's family occupation?
B: No. I don't.
A: They sold nian2 gao1.
B: How come?
A: Because one of Cao2 pi1's generals said: 'zhao4 zi3 long2 ta1 lao3
   mai4 nian2 gao1.

Here's another piece:
  Before last Sunday's presidential debate, some journalists were
  discussing the possible outcome of it. One of them said:
  "It's going to be a bananza for the potato chips industry!" 
  
  Some commercials about medicines on TV often says: Maximum strength
  this or that. If you take a dose of the maximum strength medicine,
  can you still live or die of overdose?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Random Thoughts on Life
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:34:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92289.173409JXL124
Organization: Penn State University

Someone, evidently, is being very emotional.  Luo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: math1pf@elroy.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Subject: Re: look for one more Tsinghua person
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:36:00 GMT

In article <2ADB77BB.12213@news.service.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes...
>Qiu, Yanping
>originally from Tsinghua Li-9 (Mechanics 79).  She propably has got a couple
>of degrees in the US.  If memory serves me well, she was admited by New Jersey
>Institute of technology when she came to the US in 1986.  I wish I knew where
>she and her husband are now.
> 
>shannon
>-------
What is this shannon ? Tryin to show some humanity ? Just what made you 
suddenly become so soft and sweet ? My eyes are wet now !
Thinking about your old friends ? Why not hate them ?! Cause they may also
become blood-carders .
Come on shannon , don't give us this, it only makes people sick !
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27958 talk.politics.china:1944
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: American Employer's Reply to Shanoon Yeh.
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:08:22 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In response to Shannon Yeh, alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
>
>>  3. I am the first one who yelled out in 1989 that those students' activities
>>     in the US are NOT for democracy but for their green cards.  My predict
>>     became fact!  
>
>trivialize them.  Pathetic.  Consider this, Mr. Shannon Yeh:  perhaps
>they were protesting to get green cards because they did not want to
>return to a communist paradise.

Well said. Even what Shannon yeh's claim was right(which is not!),
it only shows the students were doing the right thing.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lieqiu@alfred.carleton.ca (Liebin Qiu)
Subject: looking for Mr. Ding Juren (coming from Tsinghua Univ.)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:26:06 GMT


If you know Mr. Ding Juren, a Chinese student now studying in U.S.A.,
please tell me his address by email, or tell him my information:

Qiu liebin
36E - 1411 Morisset Ave.
Ottawa, Ont., Canada K1Z 8H3
email: lieqiu@ccs.carleton.ca

Thank you.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:44:46 EDT
From: <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Someone is very sick out there!

Someone is very sick in this net. It is not strange. What is strange is
that so many people are wasting time arguing with him.

Peter
From: yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: i am a spy? if so, it would be interesting
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:59:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <2ADB58B0.9521@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
 >If i act as a spy, i will hide myself in a corner and watch you blood carders
 >and make report to someone in somewhere.  but the fact is: Shannon Yeh 
 >publically stood up and fighted with those blood carders.
 >
 >Shannon Yeh has his own plan, and he is not a stupid man--he knows how to
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Really? Prove it to us, please.

 >Jiao(foot)Ta(step)Shi(real)Di(earth) to reach his goal.  
 >
 >shannon
 >-------

I don't care you are CCP spy or not. Some spies might be sent here just
to introduce trouble.

Y.Duan
From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:27:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Oct12.192731.884
Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University

In article <92286.014434WXG101@psuvm.psu.edu>, WXG101@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> >   Please be reminded
|> >   that ALL those Chinese students were sponsored by the Chinese government
|> >   when they were at colleges in China.
|> >
|>    GUESS WHERE THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT GOT THE MONEY TO SPONSOR THESE STUDENTS
|> FOR COLLEGE EDUCATION???

Printed by People's Bank of China.

H.J.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy)
Subject: Improving One's English...
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:40:14 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Improving One's English...
Summary: 
Expires: +7days 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Keywords: 

For folks who learned English as a second (or nth, where n<>1) language:

Since we're on the subject, I would like to ask those of you who feel comfort-
able with your English a few questions.  First, what strategy worked the best
for you?  Formal classes?  A close friend who wrote you letters with perfect
grammar and spelling?  Starting out by reading "easier" stories and gradually
improving your vocabulary by increasing the level of difficulty?

Second, what price did you pay?  Did you find yourself losing command of
your native language or dialect?  Did you have to change jobs, roommates, or
even friends in order to force yourself to speak English?

My "better half" (slang for girlfriend/fiance/wife) accuses me of not doing
enough to help her improve her English.  She comes from Taipei and has been in
this country for five years.  She says I don't use enough big words, and I use
too much slang.  I don't know, it's just not in my nature to talk like a 
pompous ass (the way I'm doing in this post :-]).  I would appreciate any 
suggestions you may have, except telling her to find a new boyfriend :-].

Dan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: fran@cs.washington.edu (Francis Pang)
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:12:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.160424.11720@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>>>Two possibities, if Taiwan was ruled by Japanese after WWII, Taiwan will be
                             *********************************
                             *********************************
>>>close to what Japan is now, or if Taiwan was governed by U.S., Taiwan will
>>>close to what U.S. is now. Both possibilities are much better off than
>>>what Taiwan is now.  
>>
>>That is interesting.  My dog thinks (I think) something similar to
>>that that he is much better off being an American dog than being those
>>dying Somalian.  Fortunately, Taiwanese (Chinese in general) have
>>something that my dog doesn't, dignity.
>>
>>Chuan Lee
>
>May be in your point of view, Japanese don't have any dignity since they
>have received so much aids form U.S. even their constitutions. But where is
           *********************************
           *********************************
>Chinese dignity now when the Japan's emperor is going to visit China and
>the government tried to surpress Chinese people to request compensates from
>Japan for their crimes committed during WWII.
>Can you see any of your dignity in China when billions of foreign dollars
>flooded in to buy ..., etc., etc. ?
>Of cause you can keep your dignity for yourself, but when you compare with
>other people, oh boy, you will find out how '....', you are.
>So, my point is it doesn't matther how you look at yourself, the most
>important is how would other people look upon you.
         ******************************************
>
>Yi-Chieh

       Can you see the difference of "ruled by" and "aids from" ??
       If you perfer to be ruled by Japanese, not only me but also
       those who fought or died in the II WW look down on you. 
       Why did they have to give up their life for protecting China? 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xcchen@iastate.edu (Xiaoshan Chen)
Subject: Re: ******* FREE CREDIT CARDS *******
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:24:27 GMT

In article <92287.004252LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>For GM MarsterCard: 1-800-8GM-CARD;
>For GE Reward CARD: 1-800-GE-Reward.
>I got an AT&T Universal Visa in 1990, and is lifetime membership free.
>Lynn
	The GM Card Customer Center number is 1-800-947-1000. The bank that
actually issues the Card is the Household Bank, Salinas, CA 93912-0083.
Just FYI.
-- 
********************************************************************
xcchen@iastate.edu; 294-3887 (O); 296-7917 (H)
A volleyball lover
********************************************************************
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Re: Action-9201.appendix
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:39:52 GMT

<LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> wrote:

+In article <2AD2455A.27169@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
+writes:
+wrote:
+>
+>-------    ------       |--|     |     |    |===|   / /___  / \__  _\ _\_
+> / | \    |=|==|=|   |=||--|     |  \/ |  -------  /|  | / /||  |   |  \/
+>/  |  \    --/-/--      |--|     |  /\ |    /|--    | /|\   ||  |   |  /\
+>   |         \/        _|__|__   |_____|,  /\|___   | \|    || \|  /\_____
+>             /\
+>
+>=|= |}    \ |==|    |  _|/__   -----     /          __|/__    ----    ------
+>-|- |}    \ |__|  |-|-| |\    |=|=|=|   /|-----|      |\     ___|___   /|\
+>|-|--|     |- |_  | | | | \   ---/-/-    | | | |      | \    | | | |  / | \
+>| | \|   |/|_ |_\   |   |/ \     \/   ___|_|_|_|__    |    , | | |\|   \|
+>                                /\
+>
+>  |==|    ---\   _|_     ___ |     -----     /            |/
+>-------  -|-|-  __|/__   | |_|__  |=|=|=|   /|-----|   ---|---
+>  /|--   /| \/    /|__   |_| |    ---/-/-    | | | |      |\
+> /\|____ \| /\|  / |__\      |       \/    __|_|_|_|__    | \.
+>                                    /\
+>
+>------  -----   __\___      /     \/  ----|   /     |     __\__ --   / __|__
+> /|\   |=|=|=|  |----      /\     /\/ |===|  /| |   /\    |===| |/  /| |_|_|
+>/ | \  --/-/-  \||-|-|    /  \     /| |\      | |\ /  \   | \   |\   |   |
+> \|      \/    /|| /\|   /    \   / | | \/    | |//    \  | /\  |}   |   |
+>         /\    / |  \|  /      \   \| |/ \    |  /      \ |/    |    |   | ,
+>
+>  |==|    / /___  / \__  _\ _\_   =|= |}    \  |==|   |  _|/_   ----    |=|  |
+>-------  /|  | / /||  |   | \/   --|- |}    \  |__| |-|-| |\   |=|=|=| __|_ ||
+>  /|--    | /|\   ||  |   | /\    |--|--|    /|_ |_ | | | | \   --/-/-   /| ||
+> /\|___   | \|    || \|  /\____   |  | \|  \/ |_ |_\  |   |/      \/    / |  |
+>                                                                 /\     \| \|
+>                                                                      __
+>   /      /  |=|   _|_ _\_     / /___   __|__   /\/\  -- \   -----  \  ||_
+>  /\     /| __|__   |/ |_|    /|   |/     /\     /\  -|-|-   |-||   \ ---/
+> /  \     |  /|\   /|  |       |  /|\    /  \   /--\ /| |/   |_||      \/
+>/    \    |   |    \| /    ,   |  \|    /    \   ||  \| /\|    \|  \/  /\
+>                                                 |}
+>
+> -----    |=|  |    /     /  |=|   __|_ _\_
+>|=|=|=|  --|- ||   /\    /| __|__    |/ |_|
+> --/-/-   / | ||  /  \    |  /|\    /|  |
+>   \/    /  | || /    \   | / | \    |  |
+>   /\      \| \|          |   |     \| /    .
+
+Of course YOU (Mr. Yeh) do not want any protection. You are protected
+by AK-47s, tanks, and APCs. Why do you need anymore? you even do not
+need your hides, you are shamless!
+Lynn

	No!! I am simply protected by JUSTICE, and by my beloved people
	in China.  I am facing the Chinese PEOPLE.

shannon
-------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hnakashi@alfred.carleton.ca (Hiroshi Nakashima)
Subject: Special Air Tickets
Keywords: Special Air Tickets to Mainland China 
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:48:52 GMT

Special air fare for Chinese to mainland China on Christmas and Spring Festival!!!
Departure from Ottawa, Montreal, and Toronto.
Departure Date: Dec. 21st, 1992.
                Jan. 18th, 1993.
Very attractive prices. For details please contact:
  Ottawa area,                  233-6947.
  Outside of Ottawa area, 1-800-267-3373.
From: li@bode.aa.washington.edu (Rufeng Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Ms. Xiao and Tu Ya
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:29:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct15.222954.22088
Reply-To: li@aa.washington.edu
Organization: U of Wash Dept of Aeronautics and Astronautics

In article <9210152050.AA22754@phloem.uoregon.edu>,
Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:

>          Lix writes:
>
>             [ I am wining the go-game;  But, Sheng4 gu4 xin1 ran2
>              bai4 yi4 xi3. ]
>
>          In my hometown, the saying is "hao3 han4 bu4 ying2 tou2 yi4
>          pan2 (A good person always loses the first game)."  So I
>          have been intentionally trying to lose :-).  You know what I
>          mean -- I could have totally destroyed your territory at the
>          bottom, but I let you make an eye :-).  BTW, my mailer
>          failed for 3 days.  Why don't you send your last move to me
>          and let's see in whose hand the deer dies.

These is a Go server, IGS.  Its address is 128.32.201.46 6969. I guess
both Tuya and Lix are
'Chou Qi', but IGS still welcomes you. :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
    <BvrHGC.L81@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1992Oct7.182231.2149@ms.uky.edu> 
    <Bvv1DA.FE5@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:14:09 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:

>Running a government is of no difference from running a business.
>You hurt one person, if this person is timid or simply powerless,
>he will have no choice but to knee. Then you hurt a generation,
>they will scorn at you. There will be new borns. It takes time for
>the new born to grow up. But if the government is not changing,
>most probably you will hurt new generation again.

>Heart is the most tender part of the body. You can hurt it without
>even touch it, not to mention hit by bullet or "hot staff (re4
>jia1 huo)" of our Vice President Wang Zheng.

>You attitude is very much like China's state run business. Who cares
>about you customers. As long as I am here, the business is running.
>But the business is going to doom if there is a competition. When 
>people find a good place to live, they don't want to come back and
>suffer. It is just so natural.

Your arguement confused people. Because, China is a set of place, people,
culture, history,...and many more. The simplest use of China is that
China is a places where people live. They live there with or without
choice. They run(or work in) the business for themself, because they
have to run it for their living. As your know, not every one can be the boss
in the business.
Their aim can not be the same, but they all try to make that place good
for themself to live. There are big differences between them, but sometimes
they share the same feeling unfortunatly, for example they like to live
in a China which is better than before, for them of cause.
As long as not everyone of them can find a good place to live, someone
has to live there.
You mentioned Zhang Minmin(sp?) Do you remember the song? If you do, you would
know those thing in his Chinese heart are still the same. If he really loves
those, why he needs to change.
"He Shan Zhi Zai Wo Meng Yin, Zhu Guo Yi Buo Nia Wei Qin Jin,
Dan Shi Zhen Yang Yue Gai Bian Bu Liao Wo Di Zhong Guo Xin...
Chang Jiang, Chang Cheng, Huang Shan, Huang He Zhai Wo Xin Zhong
Zhong Qian Jin, Wu lun He Shi, Wu Lun He Chu ....."
While, a song may be not real.
But if you don't need a Chinese heart, you don't have to claim you need one.
If people say you are not like a Chinese, you should be happy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: SURVEY -- who do you hope wins the U.S. election?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:09:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.214336.2209@m.cs.uiuc.edu> yang@dante.cs.uiuc.edu  
(Der-Shung Yang) writes:
> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
> 
> >Clinton is idiot on China issue. He had tough stand on surface. He is going
> >to screw up every thing.
> 
> When you quote other's message, could you delete some of the original post 
> that is not related to your comment? Or please put your comment _before_ the 
> quoted message.  It's kinda annoying to read through the whole thing again  
and 
> finally find only the last two lines are your comments (esp. when a 
> 1200 baud-rate modem is used :-(
> 
> Also, do you have any evidences supporting such comments? What made you think
> that Clinton will "screw up every thing"? (I'm not supporting Clinton. I just
> want to make sure I got your point.)
> 
>--
> DerShung Yang    
> yang@cs.uiuc.edu 
> Beckman Institute
> Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign


Clinton only did one thing that made Mr. Shi Chunde mad. That is: he supported  
the "blood carders" (truly or not), which is a sin to Mr. Shi. Then, to Mr.  
Shi, Clinton became an enemy that "screw up every thing". This is the mentality  
of ultra-leftist/rightist people like Shi Chunde, Shannon Yeh, Yue Fei, Qu  
Yuan, Mao, Hitler, Saddam Hussein and Joseph Stalin. 

Carl
From: gangzhou@sal-sun124.usc.edu (Gang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: *-*-*-*  Yeh  Shannon  is a spy of CCP government !!! *-*-*
Date: 9 Oct 1992 11:00:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun124.usc.edu

He is too stupid to be a spy. He is just mad.

G. Zhou

L.A.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27454 soc.culture.taiwan:14224 soc.culture.hongkong:12244 soc.culture.asean:6887
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Fresh 1991/1992 Economic Strength of East Asia
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:43:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

Country | GNP(per capital) | GDP Growth | Exports | Surplus | Debt | Inflation
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Japan      27.305(3)          2.2%        320.6B   90.080B    --      2.4%
Brunei     17.000             3.5%          1.9B    1.900B    --      3.0%
HongKong   14.102(3)          4.7%        104.2B    1.300B    --      8.8%
Singapore  13.600             4.7%         58.8B    3.823B    --      2.5%
Macau       9.050             5.0%          1.8B      none     1.5B   9.5%
Taiwan      8.685(1)          7.3%         79.3B   12.014B    --      5.2%
Korea RO    6.489             6.7%         72.9B   -7.240B    40.2B   6.6%
Malaysia    2.475             8.6%         34.7B   -4.300B    14.8B   5.0%
Thailand    1.605             7.9%         28.1B   -7.450B    27.3B   4.7%
Philippines   725            -0.4%          8.9B   -1.676B    29.6B   8.9%
Indonesia     605(4)          6.4%         29.4B   -4.837B    70.1B   8.7%
Sri Lanka     510             5.0%          2.1B    -.363B     6.1B  12.0%
Pakistan      430             6.4%          6.5B   -2.172B    22.3B  12.7%
Bhutan        425             3.5%           .08B   -.058B     0.09B 11.5%
China         325            12.0%         71.9B   13.300B    60.5B   5.0%
India         310             2.5%         19.3B   -4.848B    73.5B  11.8%
Burma         250(2)          3.7%           .44B   -.659B     4.8B  28.7%
Bangladesh    208             3.3%          1.7B    -.306B    11.9B   7.4%
Vietnam       200             3.8%          1.9B    -.440B    15.3B  78.9%
Laos          180             4.0%           .08B   -.065B      .7B  10.4%
Nepal         160             4.0%           .24B   -.279B     1.7B  15.4%
Cambodia      150             5.0%           .04B     none     1.4B 150%
Mongolia      100(2)        -18.0%           .44B   -.100B     7.1B 130%

(1) expect to grow beyong 14.000 by 1996 as the government announced its
300 Billion Dollars plan.

(2) estimates.

(3) taking living costs into account, Purchasing Power of average Hong Kong
national is actually HIGHER than an average Japanese.

(4) this figure (like others) is quite misleading, as 1.5 million Indonesians
earn more than $55.000 a year.

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Qin Ku
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:38:51 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    In article <1992Oct8.234040.7489@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> (8 Oct 1992)
Donghai Huangfu writes,

> I was told that the grandson of Qin2 Kuai4 was a big hero in defending
> China against Yuan2 (Jin1 ?).  So feel less ashamed if anyone's surname
> is Qin2.

    I have the same impression.  He fought to his last blood somewhere along
Yangtze.  And I think it is understandable.

    Qin Kuai killed a number of people who disagreed with his policy, just
like CCP.  But he was hardly a "traitor."  Qin Kuai followed his captured
emperors to Jin, and served them for many years.  He was probably as loyal
to Song's _emperor_ as Yue Fei.  The accusation that he was a Jin's agent,
in folklore and in Yue Zhuan, cannot be substantiated by historical facts.

    By the way, I took a look at Peiwen Poem Rhyme, and found Kuai is in
the 9th Quu Sheng Rhyme (Tai4) only.  The vowel is Ai.  The Pingshui Rhyme
was compiled in the time of South Song, so Kuai4 is likely close to the
pronunciation spoken by Qin's contemporaries, at least in the north part
of China.