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From: kapson@dip.eecs.umich.edu (John Kapson)
Subject: Re: Recommended Hunting Videos
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:02:42 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Jul20.124822.19203@doug.cae.wisc.edu> robinson@ac.dal.ca writes:
>The one 
>book I have which goes into field dressing and butchering rather 
>graphically is one I've read a couple of times.  

So... what is the title?  How would you rate the book?

>John Robinson
>
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| John Kapson   NRA IEEE ACM  |                                              |
|                             |   My gun is safer than Ted Kennedy's car.    |
| kapson@dip.eecs.umich.edu   |                                              |
|                             |                                              |
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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: meb@wts.com (Mike Buell)
Subject: Re: Hunter education
Organization: Wegmans Transaction Services
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:01:45 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: Hunter Safety courses

In article <1992Jul20.124659.19027@doug.cae.wisc.edu> klett@ghill.enet.dec.com (Michael Klett) writes:
>
>....   NY has a mandatory class for archers).

NY was the first state to require hunter safety courses around 1930's
or 40's.  The archery class requires the regular class or a big game
license, at least it did in 1989.

I took mine in 1977 but will be taking it again with my wife, because
she is not keen on being a widow this deer season.

Can any couple out there say they spent their first anniversery in the
woods following a blood trail, but thats a different story :-).

-- 
Mike Buell                                                   NRA SCOPE NYSRPA

WTS (Wegman's Transaction Services) - a tiny division of Wegmans Food Markets
Rochester, N.Y.



Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: saravan@amber.me.fau.edu (N. Saravanan)
Subject: 270 WIN which manufacturer?
Organization: Chinese Circus Clowns Congregation
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:25:17 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: browning, ruger , remington.

Hello,

This is a rather boring message for some. So please bear with me.
Last year I went hunting for the first time and had a wonderful
experience (thanks to the excellent suggestions and encouragement I
received from the people in this group). 
As I was not sure if I would really like hunting, I borrowed 
a rifle (30-30 lever action, as suggested by quite 
a few people in this group).

Now that I know that I would like to go  hunting this season,
I have decided to purchase a hunting rifle. Based on what I have 
read in this group, I am inclined towards the .270 caliber
(eventhough my hunting partners  insist that 30-06 is a better 
all around rifle).  As I have decided  to get a rifle 
in this caliber (0.270 WIN, unless someone out there convinces 
me otherwise), I am faced with the choice of choosing from at least 
4 different manufacturers (in my price range). 
I would therefore appreciate any comments 
>from the owners of rifles from these manufacturers (both pros and 
cons). The models I am considering are:

(1) Browning A-bolt 
    (a) Hunter series
    (b) Stalker Series: Is the extra cost justified. The only 
        hunting I have done is in Missouri.
(2) Ruger 77 Mark II Bolt Action.
(3) Remington Model 700
    (a) ADL, BDL.
    (b) Mountain Rifle: Is this better because it is lighter. I am 
        not heavily built.
    (c) AS : Is the composite stock better than classic wood.
(4) Winchester Model 70 bolt Action Rifle.

I would also appreciate suggestions on how to choose 
the right size (stock length) and weight (the rifle) to suit ones 
build. 

Sorry if my posting in not clear. I would appreciate 
if you could e-mail your responses to me (the news server here is 
pretty flaky). 

Thanks for your time and thanks in advance.

Regards,

Saravan.

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* saravan@shark.cs.fau.edu	* Live SIMPLY,so that others may simply LIVE ---------*
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From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Hunter education
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:01:59 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Jul20.124639.18992@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
        crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
 
>  Anyone over the age of 18 can buy
>a hunting license without it, a situation about which I'll comment
>later.
 
 
A hunter education class is required in Texas for anyone under 18 years,
but strangely, it is not required to buy the hunting license (a fact tha
the instructor couldn't explain).
 
 
>Coverage is very much as Chris described the Texas class that he's
>taking.
 
 
One of the most interesting videos we watched was one of hunting situ-
ations, where the film was stopped at the critical moment, and we
voted wheather to shoot, or not shoot.  It was really surprizing how
often we choose wrong (in both directions)!
 
 
>The state sets a cap on the amount that may be charged for these
>classes and regulates the required duration.  I believe it may have
>been 12 hours at the time and that the price cap was $5 but that
>the club charged only $3 per person.  Text (a booklet) was provided
>by Game & Fish as were (I believe) the movies.  Instructors brought
>in their own visual aids (e.g. several types of shotguns).
 
 
In Texas, the state charges $5 per person.  My Retriever Club sponsored
the event (and paid for the room where the class was held).  Sponsoring
clubs are not allowed to charge a fee for sponsoring the class (but we
did get 3 new prospective members for our club, including the intructor)
 
 
>Some opinions:
>
>     I'd like to see it required for *all* hunters.  (Unlike
>     firearms *ownership*, hunting is a privilege, not a right
>     so I see no problem with this other than that our lives are
>     over-regulated as it is.  Even so, that would simply be a
>     modification of an existing regulation so at least it isn't
>     *more* laws.
>
>     I think that periodic refreshers should be required (say
>     every 3-5 years.
 
 
I second this motion (both of them).
 
 
>     I have mixed feelings about a practical (range) section for
>     several reasons.  ....good stuff deleted....
 
 
As you went on to say, time contraints make this very difficult.  As it
was, the class in Texas took 10 hours (3 nights during 1 week).  Add
to that the fact that the intructors are VOLUNTEER (they don't get paid
for their time).  Also, having a place to do the practical section would
be very difficult to arrange.  With both of these considerations factor
in, IMHO, makes this unworkable.
 
Good post Charlie.
 
      ----------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  "If guns are outlawed, only the
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           government will have guns"
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |  (stolen quote)


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: pacdata!dave@uunet.uu.net (Dave Ambrose)
Subject: Re: Where is there hunting near San Diego?
Organization: Steppenwolf's Magic Theater
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:25:27 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Jul23.095433.13902@doug.cae.wisc.edu> you write:
>
>I thought that I'd look into hunting, but I don't know if there is
>much of it in this area (San Diego).  Does anyone what the closest
>area for bird hunting is?  How about game?  I'm embarrassed to ask
>at the gun shop.  Thanks in advance...
>
	There's a lot of National Forrest to the east of us.  However,
I don't really know what's there.  I'd appreciate hearing about anything
nearby.

	Thanks,
	Dave Ambrose

-- 
David Ambrose - Pacific Data Products           UUCP: uunet!pacdata!dave
619/597-3426 				    Internet: dave@pacdata.com

Play it cool,  play it cool,  fifty-fifty fire and ice -- Joni Mitchell
From: robinson@ac.dal.ca
Subject: Re: Recommended Hunting Videos
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:23:46 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Jul21.110242.16129@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, kapson@dip.eecs.umich.edu (John Kapson) writes:
> In article <1992Jul20.124822.19203@doug.cae.wisc.edu> robinson@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>The one 
>>book I have which goes into field dressing and butchering rather 
>>graphically is one I've read a couple of times.  
> 
> So... what is the title?  How would you rate the book?

My appologies for the hiatus.  Work descended like a porticulis :-)
Seriously, I got too busy for me to even read, let alone post.  I
don't have the book here with me, so I can't give you a complete title
but I think it is something like Game Care and Cookery by Sam Fadala.
I think he goes into field dressing in his deer hunting books as well.
I don't think I've read any books by him that I didn't enjoy for that
matter.

I'm still in the middle of a move so when I get a free moment I'll chase 
down the exact title, publisher and ISBN, unless someone else beats me to 
it.

> 
>>John Robinson
>>
> +-----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+
> | John Kapson   NRA IEEE ACM  |                                              |
> |                             |   My gun is safer than Ted Kennedy's car.    |
> | kapson@dip.eecs.umich.edu   |                                              |
> |                             |                                              |
> +-----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+
> 
> 
-- 
John Robinson                  Only criminals, tyrants, and cowards have
robinson@ac.dal.ca                 reason to fear the armed, honest citizen.
DOD #0069


Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: A3TC@PSUORVM.BITNET (Tim Chase)
Subject: Rattan posts
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:50:58 GMT

Sorry, but most of you who are looking for rattan are not on my email
system and my mail to you bounces back. Here is the deal!

             The boundles come in 30 to 40 poles each. 10 feet long.
              The price is $2.00 a foot plus $50.00 to $100.00 shipping
               depending on your location and choice of carrier.

             How payment will be done is by bank transfer. You send it to
             a international bank here in Portland. I will find one as
             soon as it looks like there is enough people who want to
             order. Then I will telex the source and about 3 weeks
             later the poles will come to PDX and I will reship them
             to "you".

Now, I hope that is clear, the more people we can get together the
better. The price should come down as we build our relationship with
the source.

Tim Chase Computer operator Specialist  a3tc@psuorvm.bitnet

hope this helps....
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:28:07 -0400 
From: "Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz" <ag1v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Music in plays/the name Casilda

Greetings good gentles.

In the vague recesses of my memory, I recall somebody asking me about
a name, the same as, or very close to Casilda, through this forum.

I've found documentation for the name Casilda as a 16th cent name in the
play by Lope de Vega, _Periba'n~ez_.

If that person is still reading, contact me for more detail.

***

On a different note, in this same play there is more than one song text.
But in this translation, there is no music. (not that I expected any.)

Has anyone been able to find music for a particular period play? It 
seems that when anyone does a Shakespeare play, that the music is always
different. 

Su segura servidora,
            Esmeralda la Sabia
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: kkr42091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (QUEEN ZENOBIA!)
Subject: Re: Dancing at Pennsic
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:02:52 GMT

Can anyone tell me how much pennsic costs? 
I am not a memeber but i would like to be before pennsic is it too late?
please supply rates for the diff amts of days and for non memeber and member
thanks
-kimberli roan

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From: bryan@stiatl.salestech.com (Bryan Donaldson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Looking for a book
Summary: request for info on a book about period scabbard and sheath constructio
Keywords: SCA LEATHER reference
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:41:42 GMT
Organization: Sales Technologies, Inc.


Can someone suggest a book which discusses period construction of scabbards,
sheaths, and the methods used to attach them to belts and baldrics ?


Thanks,
-- 
Bryan Donaldson                    gatech!stiatl!bryan
Sales Technologies, Inc            or maybe bryan@STIATL.SALESTECH.COM
3399 Peachtree Rd, NE               If one is born into an era of decadence,
Atlanta, GA  (404) 841-4000         one may as well enjoy it while it lasts.
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Why not "senor"?
Date: 27 Jul 92 05:07:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.712341446.F00003

ML>  From: mfactor@taronga.com (Marco Landin)
ML>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
ML>
ML>  WHOLE LEG into my mouth this time!!  Estimada Senora, please accept
ML>  my
ML>  humblest apologies for having confused you with a senor!  I can only
ML>  make
ML>  the excuse that if I had been espeeking to you in person, I would
ML>  certainly have NOT made that insolent mistake.  I'm sure you have a
ML>  frame
ML>  and manner of carrying yourself that escreeeeams woman!

Well, at my age, it more *grumbles* it...  ;->

ML>     I happen to have a brass Pentacle adorning my front door.  It ward s
ML>   of
ML>  demons, and it has the added value of scaring away the Jehova's
ML>  witmesses.
ML>   (sic).  :)

Coincidentally I have a small demon head as a doorknocker. It is a miniature 
of the one on the Sanctuary of Durham Cathedral in England. VERY medieval!
Yet one of my not-particularly-devout friends saw it and quoth "Abandon hope 
all ye who enter here!" in a not-quite-joking tone. And this was a SCAdian!
(Is good for scaring away proseletizers, as you said! :-)

ML>     A su servicio,
ML>     Marcos maria Montenegro Del Diablo
ML>     Swarthy Spanish type who's MOSTLY innofensive, he just
ML>     doesn't really have a grasp on Gaelic name genders
ML>     (was that Gaelic?  I don't know)

Well, you got the Gaelic part right! Not all such names can be readily 
figured out (depends on period of name) but here is a clue for both Scot and 
Irish names. If it has "nic" or "ni" in front instead of the more common 
"mac" or "mc" or sometimes "o'" or "Ui", it is a woman's name.

(Or the name of a poor researcher! :-)

Moreach NicMaolain
trifid@agora.rain.com 
 
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:27:51 -0400 
From: David Schroeder <ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Apology to Stephen

Greetings to Stephen of the Grove (and the good members of the Rialto),

  I would like to apologize for any hurt or harm my original and any
subsequent posts on the topic of "Basic Courtesy" have done to you,
Stephen, in particular, and other readers in general.

  I am truly sorry and ask for your forgiveness.

  Sincerely -- Bertram

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Bertram of Bearington                                      Dave Schroeder
Debatable Lands/AEthelmearc/East               Carnegie Mellon University
INTERNET: ds4p@andrew.cmu.edu                         412/731-3230 (Home)
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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: nexus@ylum.cgd.ucar.edu (Jeff Berry)
Subject: Re: Rapier Combat
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:36:47 GMT

In article <920721133517_71431.167_EHJ48-1@CompuServe.COM> 71431.167@compuserve.COM (REED E HARRIG) writes:
>Greetings all,
>   What I have not seen is a good argument for why Rapier Combat needs
>to be part of the SCA.  I have done some fencing and find it
>enjoyable.  But I have also done some fighting by Tuchux rules and,
>while it was "fun", I do not want it to become part of the SCA.  
>So I ask again: Why Rapier Combat in the SCA? 
>Is the SCA just a harbor for any activity that can be remotely
>documented as being done between 600 - 1600?  I await your comments.
>-Palymar

Well, the easy answers are why not? and yes.:-)
(And Rapier can be documented far better than "remotely")

A bit longer answer goes like this - there are a great many of us who delight
in late period personas and diversions.  The practice of rapier combat is 
something that we could and would have done, therefore we would like to do it.

Or, to bring this back to a unrelated thread, several people have mentioned that
when they engage in SCA activity their exemplars are Roland, or Arthur and so
on.  For some of us, they are d'Artagnan, Cyrano de Bergerac and the like.

Now, it seems from your post (and if I am misinterpreting, please accept my
apology), that you are opposed to Rapier combat in the Society, why do you
hold this attitude?


badger                                      Don Alexandre Lerot d'Avigne
Jeff Berry                                  Seneschal of Caer Galen, Outlands
               nexus@ncar.ucar.edu
NCAR doesn't tell me what to think, and I return the favor.
"You're a notch and I'm a legend"-------Alice Cooper
"You're still doing the things that I gave up years ago.."-----Lou Reed

From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Why not pentacles:
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1992 11:31:41

 TA> In article <711356420.F00004@blkcat.UUCP> 
 TA> Joe.Bethancourt@f166.n114.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Bethancourt) writes:

 TA> >As a piece of information as to "Why don't we allow the pentagram /
 TA> >pentacle to be used in SCA heraldry, here is an excerpt from a file
 TA> >available at 1:114/166 as CSDM.ZIP:

 TA> [very good informational file deleted to save bandwidth]

 TA> Well, I suppose that's as good a reason as any, but how  many and how
 TA> much of our activites are we going to censor because of the prejudices
 TA> of mundanes?

 How many sites are we going to have to lose access to, and now many drunk
 rednecks at events (and pinhead preachers on the evening news) are we
 going to have to cope with, before this perennial question will be
 accepted as having been sufficiently answered? I, for one, am tired of
 it....

    Tadhg, Hanaper

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: mikel@srv8700.micros.COM (Edan Aylwin)
Subject: Introductions and Invitations
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:46:59 GMT

Greetings to one and all, good gentles,

I would like to take a moment of your valuable time to introduce myself
as I am a newcomer to the Rialto.  I am known to some as Edan Aylwin (and
others as "that rogue" or worse) and after spending a long year trekking
the vast desert wasteland overseas and flitting from abode to abode since
last fall, I find myself taking root finally in the northern outskirts of
our mundane nation's capital.  I would be most grateful for contact
(ethereally or otherwise) from others in the Wash. DC or Baltimore area
on where-abouts and who-abouts of goings on locally.  If you wish to "reach
out and touch" me (delightful shivers... :-) I can be reached at
(301) 890-9075.  A brownie has graciously agreed to take messages in my
absence for a mere pittance in sweets and liquours so do not be afraid of
a lack of response.  Also, (whilst I am begging), any news of/from my long-gone
but ne'r forgotten home, the Barony of the Forgotten Sea, Kingdom of Calontir
would be most gratefully accepted.

My most profuse thanks to all for your time and attention,
"May the sun shine always at your back..."

E.

-- 
Michael Lonski (address mail to: mikel@micros.com)
Micros Systems, Inc., R&D, 12000 Baltimore Avenue, Beltsville, MD 20705  

"And how do you KNOW she's a witch?" - 1st known instance of cross-examination
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Regarding Cameras at SCA events
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:14:00 GMT

In article <711687877.F00002@ocitor.fidonet> Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton) writes:

> attention regardless of where you were looking.  I firmly believe that 
> flash units of any kind should be banned.  Ansteorra's more enlightened 
> crowns *have* banned them from court.  Let those who would have photos 
> learn about film speeds!  Candle-lit pictures from a medium-good 
> photographer look very nice!  (period, no, but still nice)
>     Gwenllian CfM

Yes.  I am no photographer, but I have managed some GREAT shots a feast by 
using a nikkon 35 mm and the fastest color film I could lay my hands on.
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
From: kinsey@worf.nas.nasa.gov (Cassandra L. Baldassano)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Why not pentacles:
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:59:21 GMT
Reply-To: kinsey@worf.nas.nasa.gov (Cassandra L. Baldassano)
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA

In article <711716686.F00003@therose.pdx.com>, Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond) writes:
|> 00>  From: 00030929@ysub.ysu.edu
|> 00>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
|> 00>
|> 00>  Greetings to all, especially Aryk, from Vajk!
|> 00>
|> 00>  things because we were both members of a medieval group (I had not
|> 00>  yet
|> 00>  mentioned the SCA).  He asked me which group.  I told him, adding
|> 00>  that he had
|> 00>  probably heard of us.
|> 00>
|> 00>  He looked at me and said, "Oh, yes, I know them very well!"
|> 
|> Of course if it were our local police, it would perhaps be because some of 
|> them are members...
|> 
|> Always be nice to police, and invite them in and talk to them about the 
|> middle ages when at events. They have a tendency to be concerned when they 
|> think people aren't being open with them, and imagine things...
|> 
|> Moreach NicMaolain
|> Veteran Trooper, MacFlandry Guards
|> Armed Celt, Herald, Warning!  :-)
|> trifid@agora.rain.com 
|>  

At our local fighter practice, quite often the local campus police show
up and hang around for awhile talking to some of the fighters. Last night,
I believe the officer was there for at least two hours. And they are
quite friendly.

I heard that one time. (Begin rumor) that one of the officers took his
radar gun out to check how fast the fighters swing their swords. He was
to have clocked Duke Radnor's Sword Tip to be going over 200mph. (End rumor).
Does anybody know the truth to this, or is it just another one of those
legends that frequent the campfires.

In Service,
Euriol of Lothian
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: sharons@juliet.ll.mit.EDU (Sharon Stanfill)
Subject: wire-strung harp
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:17:10 GMT



Hello!
	Is there anyone out there interested in 
a small wire-string Caswell harp? It is for sale
locally (Boston area) for $350, which is a good
price. If you are interested, and coming to Pennsic,
I'd be willing to buy it for you and bring it.

Email me for details...

Nesta ferch Meriadoc Hartley
sharons@juliet.ll.mit.edu