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From: rst@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (R. Sritharan)
Subject: Re: KANCH ACHARYA - SATI ETC.
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:53:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.183447.13442@wuecl.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>In article <BtAM60.48s@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu) writes:
>>In article <19794@plains.NoDak.edu> ganapath@plains.NoDak.edu (Prabhukumar Ganapathy) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>	Now My Request to Mr.Meenan :
>>>
>>>		Eventhough I have read Deivathin Kural I don't
>>>		remember each and every page of it. Can you
>>>
                       ----- parts deleted -----

>>>		Expecting a reply just with page number etc.
>>>		Don't say he said that here, there etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>PK
>>
>>
>>I read the book 'theyvaththin kural' sometimes last year, borrowing it
>>from the Toronto Temple Library.  I think there are 4 volumes, of which 
>>I read only one.  This book was recommended by a friend  who took me to
>>this library.
>>
>>From what I remember, I think I took out the Vol. 1.  The language was
>>a mixture of Tamil generously sprinkled with English and Sanskrit 
>>words.  I stopped reading further, when I read the fact that 
>                                                    ^^^^
>>widows burned on the husband's pyre go to the abode of husband/heaven/etc
>>and the fact that the animal sacrificed also reach heavn.  I am sorry
>         ^^^^
>>I am unable to give you exact page numbers off-hand.  However, I will
>>try and furnish you with further information soon.
>>
>>Please bear with me.
>>
>>Meenan Vishnu
>
>  One would get an impression that you are supporting Sati
> and animal sacrifice if you say that you read the FACTS
> `Widows burned with their husbands go to heaven' and
> `Animals sacrificed in the yagas go to heaven'. You should
> have used the word `saying' instead which means that you
> read the sayings of Kaanchi Sankaracharya supporting sati
> and animal sacrifice in yagas. As it stands, your posting
> is a contradiction to your earlier posting criticizing these
> two sayings of Kaanchi Aacharya as `crap'.
>                                                  S.Pandian.
>                                          sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>

No, I don't think so. Facts are facts. You may or may not
support them. When I say that "I read the fact that BC gets
x% of reservation in professional colleges" it does not
imply anything about whether I support that or not.

-- rst
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: srini@engin.umich.edu (Srinivasan Pichumani)
Subject: PANinI & Tolkkappiyam (was Re: Why are TAMILS )
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 12:40:57 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <16mjg5INN8ij@function.mps.ohio-state.edu> vidynath@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyarath K Rao) writes:
>
>There is one thing about Tolkappiyam that I would like to know: What is
>the exact analog there to Panini's Siva Sutras? (Siva Sutras are the sutras
>that list the phonemes of Sanskrit) Is there any reason given in Tolkappiam
>as to why the alphabet of Tamil is different from that of Sanskrit, and has
>a single letter "ka" that some times gets pronounced as "g"? This could be
>one thing  that Tamilians can boast of: discovery of the modern definition
>of phonemes of a language.
>
>-- 
>Vidhyanth Rao			It is the man, not the method, that solves
>nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
>(614)-366-9341			[as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]

I don't know if there is an exact analog to the Siva (or MAheshvara) SUtras
in the TOlkkAppiyam. But the very first verse of the TOlkkAppiyam is supposed
to indicate the alphabetical list from "a" to "n"
It goes something like this:
	ezhuttenapadupadenba akara mudhal nakara viRuvAi muppadenba
roughly means "what is ezhuttu is the 30 from "a" to "n" " (the two turn "n").

There is a thesis by a scholar named Ms. S.Rajam from Univ of Pennsylvania
(or U of Mich) circa 81, which is a comparative study of the TolkkAppiyam,
the Ashtadhyayi, and the MahAbhAshya by Patanjali; you may want to glance
through it if it is available in your library. 

--Srini.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:26:04 EDT
From: <NSS2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: SVSekhar drama

I am trying ot get a copy of the SVSekar drama
          'AAYIRAM VUTHAI VAANGIYA APOORVA SIKAMANI'.
  IF ANY OF YOU HAVE IT, PLEASE CORRESPOND.THANKS
                                                 SRIRAM
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: nagOre E.M.Hanifa padalgal
Date: 13 Aug 1992 12:24:24 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

            Re: nAgore E.M.Hanifa padalgal.
         --------------------------------

Venkatachalam Aruna writes :

>Some of his popular religious songs are:
  
 > (1) iraivanidam kaiyEnthungal, avan illai yendru
      solluvathillai.
 > (2) kElungal kodukkapadum, thattungal thirakkapadum
 > (3) thendral kattre konjam nillu

>Cheers,
>Venkat
 
       Actually, his political songs are more popular in
 Tamilnadu, than his religious songs. His religious songs
 are usually played in the morning, whereas his political
 songs are played all the time by the kazhagath thondarkaL.
       I think that Naagoore Hanifa is a D.M.K.supporter,
 as he has performed many political songs which are D.M.K.
 propaganda. His hits include,
   (1) udanpiRappE ! kazhaga udanpiRappE..!
       aNNaavin vazhiyil ayaraadhu uzhaikkum 
          ponnaana kazhainchar kaNNaaga 
            madhikkum udanpiRappE !

   (2) kaLLakkudi konda Karunaanidhi vaazhgavE !
       
                                             - Tamilnesan.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: vaidhyan@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramesh Vaidhyanathan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Please be accurate to avoid flame wars.
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:44:20 GMT
Reply-To: vaidhyan@cn.ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <Bt6x0K.Cpw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, 
crathina@ritchie.uwaterloo.ca (C Rathinavelu) writes:

|> 
|>              Do you think that getting high marks ( as bramins and other 
|> fc people usually do ) in the subjects/studies means you are 100% fit for
|> getting admitted to professional colleges? If it is then that is why our
                                              ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^
|> (your) people are not able to shine well in western countries. 
   ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> Guindian,
|> C.RATHINAVELU

BTW Mr.Rathinavelu, the title of your article was 
"Please be accurate to avoid flame wars"  :-)      

-Ramesh Vaidhyanathan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: raj@utkvx2.utk.edu (S. KANAKA RAJ)
Subject: Re: I HATE TAMILS (2) (Respect other's)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:55:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.145924.17303@cis.ohio-state.edu>,
chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes...

>Regarding Hindi and Tamils, I think it was stupid to try to force it
>on them, but it is equally stupid to refuse to learn what is obviously
>a useful language for commerce and communication.  And this talk of
>linguistic purity is just going to be a nice grave in which Tamils can
>lie with a beatific smile coming from the satisfaction that they dug
>it themselves.  

I agree fully with your comments regarding evoulution  of languages and I wish
to point out that I can speak Indhi and read and write it as well. But I cannot
accept if somebody gets up and says "Hey Madhrasi, learn Hindhi to preserve
the unity of the country". What unites the people of Bhaarath is culture and by
culture what I mean is the way of life whether Vedhanthins, Musilims, or Sikhs,
not language, food, or cloths. Regarding the grave you mentioned, we are ready
to bury ourselves, if that is the choice, rather than let others bury us.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

		Sword can never bring a lasting solution.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: fca00@chennai.ccc.amdahl.com (A. Francis Chandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Please be accurate to avoid flame wars.
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:16:00 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug18.193607.4673@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> raghu@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Raghu B) writes:
>In <Bt6x0K.Cpw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> crathina@ritchie.uwaterloo.ca (C Rathinavelu) writes:
>
>
     [stuff deleted]

>What can
>we do when brahmins study, it goes to their head because they have a 
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>pure soul and heart and i am not responsible for others , if it goes
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>above their heads possibly, because they lack concentration. 


     [some more junk deleted]


>are brahmins. you can find brahmin anywhere in this world. Any society
>will accept brahmin because he is of no harm to anyone and he does
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>things far better than others .
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



    Hey buddy have you forgotten the smilies or are you 
    really a bigotted a****** ????????



>>Guindian,
>>C.RATHINAVELU
>
> me too buddy,
>
>	i am also a pround guindian.
>
>				raghu,balasubramanian
>p.s: this article was written in a hurry-burry basis. so bear with wrong
>english of any form.


    It is not your english that's wrong but your ignorant, prejudiced
    statements (especially the ones underlined above).


>
>



                                          -francis
                     
                                      [a guindian too]
From: nraju@usc.edu (Narayanan Raju)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Dear Mr. Meenan
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:43:00 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nunki.usc.edu


Dear Mr. Meenan,
	you write that,
>Manu NEVER said that Bramins be given twice the punishment of
>the Kshatriyas !!

	What you say is untrue. The Manu Shastra clearly says that
	Brahmins are to be punished twice as much as the Kshathriyas. However,
	it exempts the Brahmins from capital punishment.

	fro a crime if a Shudra gets 2 years imprisonment,
		a Vysya gets 4 years imprisonments
		a Kshathriya gets 8 years imprisonment
		a Brahmin gets 16 years imprisonment.


	later in your reply you imply that Brahmins like Rajagopalachari,
	did not lead the Shudras into Temples. I'll give a reference to the 
	contrary.
		"Gandhi", By, Louis Fisher

	And you tell me to read TN history(once again why are you getting
						personal)
>You must be kidding.  Read any elementary book on the history of TN.

Raju
raju@spock.usc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable)
Subject: For Sundaramoorthy(others hit 'n' )
Keywords: E-mails not reaching
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:15:35 GMT


There is somenthing wrong. Mail is bouncing back to me.
I'm posting the verbatim of the returned mail which I sent to you.
--
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:07:55 -0700
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Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 15
To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu

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To: M. Sundaramoorthy <sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)>
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)

Hi!
 Yes,he is my friend. Now, he is angry at me.I've to find
someway to appease him.
I hope this mail reaches you.
Earlier I asked info. about Tamilnadu Transport Corporations
in SCT and found your response quite informative. I sent a
mail thanking you but it bounced back to me.

Cheers,
Venkat



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From: vnesiah@aludra.usc.edu (Deep Third Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Tamil (Sri Lankan) Pop/Bailah, AE Manoharan....
Date: 14 Aug 1992 08:49:52 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

There are a few more pop/baila songs that I can think of:

		"London illey maarpilai am.."
		"Adi ennadi rakkamma..."
		"I I yo vekkakerdu..."
		"Solam soru pongatumaa?..."
	and...
		"Arahara Sivaseeva samboo..."
				(`R' rated version) ;->


Vasee 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu)
Subject: Re: KANCHI ACHARYA  SATI  ETC
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:01:13 GMT

In article <19821@plains.NoDak.edu> ganapath@plains.NoDak.edu (Prabhukumar Ganapathy) writes:
>
>
>NOTE :
>I tried to post this as a FOLLOW-UP atricle to the thread where
>me, Mr.Meenan Vishnu, Mr.Sundara Pandian and again Mr.Meenan Vishnu
>had already written something. As I had some trobule in posting
>this article as a follow-up (for some reason it is getting rejected)
>I am posting this all on its own. Sorry for the inconvenience.
>This is regarding the word "FACT" used by Mr.Vishnu criticized by
>Mr.Pandian and retyped as "BRAMANICAL CLAIM" by Mr.Vishnu
>
>
>Dear Mr. Meenan Vishnu
>
>Again Wrong Use of the word. Kanchi Acharya is not a brahmin.
>So his teachings or sayings can not be called brahmanical claim.
>Here I mean ACHARYA has no caste. If you don't know,  the first
>that they do when they take up "SANYASA" is to cut the sacred
>thread (A act that some DK/DMK people like to perform once in
>a while - Another BARABARIC act according to me - ie not respecting
>someone's personal feelings) . So no Sadhu for that matter has a
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>caste attached to him.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I was precisely under this impression for a long time.  In fact, the
sadhus also perform the death ritual for themselves (involving
pinda (riceball) and water).  However, I was shocked to learn 
from a PBS TV series 'Sadhus: India's Holy Men', a few months
ago, that even after doing all that the Bramin Sadhus eat separately
from the non-Bramin Sadhus.  (I do not want to start another thread
on this, this thread 'Bramin Sadhus vs non-Bramin Sadhus' ran over 
50 (approx.) postings in SCT just over a month ago.  I have saved a
few of them I can send them to you via e-mail, if you want)  To me
this (eating separately) looks irrational, but opinions may differ. 
>
>Of course you would like to blame everything on one caste
>which has contributed a lot to the tamil language and cultre.
>(If not more than everyone else atleast comparable to other
>castes - I would like to add here)
>I know that you will not accept my correction. But still ...

I am not denying that there are/were valuable contribution to the Tamil
language by Bramin folks.  However, there are/were SOME Bramins 
who in their selfish interest tried very hard to destroy Tamil works.
(My favorite example again is the 'locking up of thEvaarams' by the Bramin
high priests for 3 centuries, see my earlier postings for details)
>
>
>PK


Meenan Vishnu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: hazel@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (sriram)
Subject: Kooththu-p-pattarai
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:07:49 GMT

I saw a review of kooththu-p-Pattarai's latest adaptation of the play
"Andorra" which was staged at Max Mueller Bhavan, in The Hindu last week.
(For those who donot know kooththu-p-pattarai is a stage production in 
kooththu format).  I had also seen an article on their work earlier in 
India Today. I believe they have also staged plays based on works by 
Tendulkar and other Indian dramatists in kooththu format. It was nice to 
see that the much maligned "kooththu" is finally getting some recognition 
after all.

However I donot have much info on the group or their productions till now
I would appreciate if any netter has info on their earlier productions.

sriram
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:1092 alt.culture.tamil:1198
From: sankar@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Mahalingam Sankararaman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: EVR part 9
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:45:09 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.tamil, alt.culture.tamil
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <Bt4ww4.HwI@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu) writes:
> 
> 
> More on EVR from the PhD thesis of Charles Ryerson, "Regionalism and
> Religion, The Tamil Renaissance and Popular Hinduism".
> 

I am interested in this thesis, especially its references.
Would you please give some additional information such as
the year, University and, if possible, some brief info. about
the author.

Thanks

Sankar
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:1371 soc.culture.indian:28950
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: Potti Sriramulu, Tamil and Telugu
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:26:39 GMT

In article <BtAF8H.G6G@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:
>Irrespective of the real situation in Madras Presidency, which has many
>versions. In my opinion, Telugu's spreading in Tamil areas was also
>curtailed by the separation of Andhra. My grandmother in Tanjore
>district was able to speak both Tamil and Telugu. (No other language

Your knwoledge of south indian history is unrepairably poor.  The tanjavur
and madurai  areas were hosts to the fleeing telugu HINDUS, who fleed
the Hyd nizam areas due to `MUSLIM' invasion. (Flames on a separate thread
please!).  How the hell do you think  thyagaraja and syama sastry etc..
ended in the heart of tamil land, even though they were `chaste' telugus ?

True.  Your land may have provided telugu people with safe haven, but
that does not make you the rulers and guardians of our telugu future.
(OR DID GEOGRAPHICAL DISTANCES MAKE TAMIL LAND TOO FAR AND SAFE FROM
MUGHAL ATTACKS ?-- I THINK HISTORIANS CONCUR ONTHIS).


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


>though). Most of Tamil regions were getting close to Bilingual.

????????  rewriting history a la stalin ?????

>You can still see the remains of it. Tamil did not really spread
>that strongly in Telugu areas. In that sense, Potti Sriramulu, did do
>a great service towards the preservation and revival of Tamil.

You are another of those `TAMIZH' bigots.  I have no doubts.

>
>KS.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: raja@wam.umd.edu (C. K. Subramaniam)
Subject: Re: Varna & Brahmins
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:07:20 GMT

In article <kat.714408115@sybok>, kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
> 
>     anparkalE:
> 
>        Why do some guys get hyper just by the mention
> of periyaar's name. They cannot simply tolerate periyaar
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I am assuming you are talking about the Forward caste?!
in that case the reason....... 
Because EVR advoCated violence openly aginst the brahminS

> because he did good to the poor, uneducated people
> who did not get privileges for centuries. These
> guys talk of patriotism. These are the people
> used religion and did no work for centuries and
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I beg to differ on this. But then you are entitled
to have yr own opinion.

> lived on others. Now let them shout at the top
> of their voice. Their so called, BG Krishna will
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^
If BG Krishna were to come today he will be
BC Krishna (get it?) and would probably enjoy
the reservation himself... so it is not a practical
solution.

XE from wherever and give reservation for them.
> 
> Until then, write rama jayam for 1000000 times.
> 
> kathiravan
> 

C. K. Subramaniam.
>
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: A Practical Joke
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:04:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.214130.4641@news.acns.nwu.edu> rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman) writes:
>In article <2A93F865.16505@orion.oac.uci.edu> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
>>	I don't know who said,
>>
>>	'maN thOnRi kal thORak kaalaththu vaaLodu
>                                          ^^^^^^^^       
>>	mun thOnRiya mooththak kudi'
>>
>>	(Why did they need a sword, if there was no other race then?
>>	 to fight among themselves?).
>>
>>	Any way, to counter this unfounded claim famous Tamil writer
>>	Pudhumaip piththan made a joke,
>>
>>	'ulagaththil thOnRiya mudhal kurangu thamizhk kurangu'
>
>Propably he would have interpreted 'vaal' as tail instead of sword. Then
>his retort would be perfect.
>Contemporary writers had commented on Pudumaipittan as " ivaridam pudumai
>konjam. Pittam adigam".

	The difference in la-La settles the issue!!!
	
	Ka Naa.Su. wrote preface to his short story collection (complete
	edition) with the heading 'pudhumaiyum piththmum' and claims he 
	had both.
>
>Flames -feel free!!
>
>>M. Sundaramoorthy
>>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu  
>>
>>P.S: Please send any flame to me, not Pudhumaip piththan, as he is no more.
>>     Any way he paid heavy price for his 'anti-Tamil' stand with a death
>>     at young age. He died out of poverty because he wanted to live for
>>     Tamil without taking any job, though he had a BA degree as early as 
>>     1920s and his father was a revenue official in the Colonial government.
>>	(I will try to post an article on him, when possible).
>
>I hope U would include his 'cinema' attempt and its consequence .
>
>raghavan

	I had his biography written by Vallikkannan and published by 
	Sahitya Academy in 'indhiya ilakkiya ciRpikaL varicai'. Also,
	Tho. Mu. Ci. Raghunathan has also written a biography. His cinema
	attempts speeded up his death. He had to stay in Poona with
	MKT Bhagavathar team and the climate in Poona was not suitable
	for him. Anyway it will take a while to post the article till I get
	the books from India.

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu