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From: rbhank@wsl.dec.com (Ron Bhanukitsiri)
Subject: Re: *** Beginner needs advice fast
Reply-To: rbhank@wsl.dec.com (Ron Bhanukitsiri)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 14:17:35 GMT


In article <Pine.3.03.9210021039.A17545-b100000@chopin.udel.edu>, kurisuto@CHOPIN.UDEL.EDU ("Sean J. Crist") writes:

|> Dear all,
|> 
|>      Sometime in the next week, I *need* to buy a camera.  This is a
|> problem, because I don't know enough about cameras to make an informed
|> decision.  I will mainly be taking slides, mostly of outdoor events such as
|> political marches, as well as a fair amount of copy stand work.  I want to
|> be able to override any of the settings such as f-stop and shutter speed
|> for some point in the future when I learn to use these things correctly,
|> but it would be helpful (although not essential) if the camera could make
|> some of these decisions for me for now.
|> 
|>      A photography major friend of mine recommended a Pentax K-1000, which
|> seems to run around $150 without any lenses.  The drawback is that this
|> camera is totally manual.  A salesman in a camera shop told me that I
|> would kick myself later if I went with the K-1000, and recommended that I
|> buy a Pentax P-Z-10 for $300 without lenses.  Was this good advice, or was
|> he just trying to make a sale?
|> 
|>      A camera that can give professional-looking results is essential,
|> since I will be using these slides in paid presentations.  A lot of
|> special camera features are not necessary; I'm not planning to do any kind
|> of unusual or artistic photography.
|> 
|>      Any advice on what kind of camera I should get would be appreciated. 
|> I would like to spend less than $400 on the whole initial
|> setup, if there's any way this is possible.
|> 
|>      Thank you all very much!
|> 
|> --Sean
|> kurisuto@chopin.udel.edu
|> 

If you know to use slide film and know about f/stop and shutter speed, it
doesn't sound like you're a beginner.  In this case, forget about the K-1000.

My two-bit advise is to step into the 90s and go autofocus.  The Pentax PZ-10
is nice, but I think $300 is too much (it's $199 mailorder).  Since this will
be your first SLR (I assume), look at the Minolta 3xi and 5xi - neat cameras,
or Nikon N6006.  Canon EOS ELAN sounds good too.  The bottom line is how you
*feel* about the camera.

Camera doesn't give "professional-looking" results, you do.

Your Pen(tax) Pal,
Ron B[ee]
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: watters@darwin.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters)
Subject: FOR SALE: Nikon FE-2 (Black body)
Organization: University of Washington   
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 06:53:22 GMT

For Sale:

	Nikon FE-2 (Black body with VERY minor brassing)
		Features:
			Manual shutter speeds from 8 sec - 1/4000
			1/250 flash sync
			B & 1/250 operate without battery
			match needle metering OR apeture priority auto-exp
			TTL FLash metering
			self timer
			DOF preview
			pseudo mirror lockup
			multiple exposure switch

		Body....... $300

	Nikkor 28mm f2.8 (similar condition as above)
		Includes front and back caps and protective haze filter.

		Lens....... $200

	Buyer pays any shipping costs.  Feel free to make a (reasonable) offer.

mike

--
Mike
watters@genetics.washington.edu
Dept of Genetics, Univ of Washington  Seattle
(d) 206-543-1934   (e) 206-361-1156
From: robert@sys.sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: DEVELOPING ONLY
Keywords: DEVELOPING ONLY
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:27:39 GMT
Organization: Data General AB, Akalla, Sweden

In article <1992Sep27.225152.16611@oz.plymouth.edu>, brucer@oz.plymouth.edu (Bruce Ritchie) writes:
> >Can anyone post the address of any processing lab which offers developing of
> >films. 
> >I usually photograph the same subject with multiple settings of exposures and
> >do not want to get prints of every negative.
> >Thanks.
> >Qawi
> 	Every photo shop I've ever worked at offered this service, IF
> you ask for it! It's quite standard, and I'd think even your local
> 1-hour could handle it. However, be aware that whe you go to get
> prints after-the-fact they'll cost more than if you get them at the
> time of processing. 

But one usually don't want, or need, prints from each frame. And one often
want larger prints than what one usually get by default at most places,
like 13x18cm (5x7") or 18x24cm (~8x10").

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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson)
Subject: Re: night exposures for traffic
Organization: nil
	<1992Oct6.023748.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 06:32:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.023748.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes:

 > Sorry to spoil the theory, but what the hell is a 'DM' filter?

   It's just a way to express color temperature. DM stands for
"decamired":

	decamired = 100000/temp

   For instance, 5600K is 18 DM, 3800K is 27 DM. If the color
temperature is 3800K but your film is intended for 5600K, you need 9
DM of cooling. Warming and cooling filters usually come in units of
1.5, 3, 6, and 12 DM. So you stack a cooling DM -6 filter with a -3
filter. A DM 1.5 is refered to as a Skylight. An overcast day is
usually about 6200K (16 DM), while noon sunlight is about 5600K (18
DM). So if your film is intended for sunlight and you're shooting on
an overcast day, use a Skylight. The shade on a clear day is about
12000K (8 DM) without reflected sunlight, so for that extreme
condition you would theoretically use (with the 5600K/18 DM film) a DM
6 plus a DM 3 filter for a total of DM 9 (although DM 10 would be more
ideal).  However, in reality there is a lot reflected sunlight, so a
DM 6, or even a DM 3, might be more appropriate.

   Sometimes the warming filters are refered to as `red' and the
cooling as `blue'. Actually, I just realized a do have a table for
converting DM to Wratten codes:


		+1.5		81A
		+3		81B
		+6		???
		+12		85
	
		-1.5		82A
		-3		82C
		-6		???
		-12		80B

		-13.5		80A
		+13.5		85B


   There are several filter brands that label their temperature
correcting filters by their DM values (both B+W and Heliopan do), so
in practice you rarely have to deal with the Wratten system.

So, there you are. Hope this helps.

--
						-- Jan Brittenson
						   bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu
From: IO92112@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Magzine: Darkroom & Creative Camera Techniques
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:56:30 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System
Supersedes: <92276.102826IO92112@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>

Paul> It's one of the few I get, even though its nearly 10 bucks over
Paul> here. Camera and Darkroom is better for portfolio type stuff,
Paul> but DCCTM is the best I have seen, short of 'real journals' for
Paul> tech stuff. Millers arts come to mind in this respect.


>could someone post an address/phone/fax number for these people? I'd
>love to get a subscription... seeing as none of the stores in
>Switzerland seems to carry it!

>pretty please?

All the responses I have received are positive. It is a pro and advanced
amature oriented magzine, and provides a detail and technical information
on darkroom and photo techniques. I am going to subscribe it.

Here is address:

Darkroom & Creative Camera Techniques
P. O. Box585
Mt. Morris, IL 61054

G a r r y
Internet io92112@maine.maine.edu
Bitnet   io92112@maine.bitnet
Voice    1-207-866-2614
FAX      1-207-866-2614
                                        THE BLUE, THE GREEN!
From: ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Calibrating the 6006 light meter needed?
Date: 28 Sep 1992 01:00:32 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: almaak.usc.edu

I've done a few dozen rolls with my 6006 and nothing untoward has
surfaced.  Every photo book I see emphasises calibrating the meter, by
finding a sunny 16 situation and then modifying the ASA till it shows
1/125 -- that is what ASA 100 should be set to.

It is suggested that such calibration is lens- and ASA-specific.
Thus, e.g. if you have to lie to your camera and tell it to do ASA 150
when you want 100, it does not follow that ASA 300 will achieve 200.


This surprises me, because it seems that a vendor like Nikon has every
need to do good quality control on it's metering.  Are good tolerances
intrinsically impossible?  Similarly because the metering is TTL it
should be lens-independent.

In short should I bother?  (The next time I'm in a sunny 16 situation,
I'll look anyways, but how much trouble should I take).

        -ans.
-- 
Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@usc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Subject: Re: How do you pronounce Leica? [Actually, Nikon]
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 13:43:06 GMT

In article <13377@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>
>>  This reminds me of my pet peeve: how does one pronounce 'Nikon'?  My
>>formative camera years were spent in Tokyo, and there I learned to say
>>Nee-kon, which is consistent with everything I know about the Japanese
>>language, not to mention that Nikon is a contraction of Nippon Kogaku.
>>Many westerners seem to think it is Nie-kon, however, which the
>>Japanese would tend to romanize as Naikon, I believe.
>
>	But then we'd have to pronounce "Minolta" as "Meen-a-root-a!"
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	Now, how would we pronounce "Olympus?" ;-)
>		Dave
>

Actually, in romanized Japanese ('romaji') that would be: mee-no-ru-ta
Olympus?  => oo-reen-pa-su

Just the facts,
Thor


Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: jacobson@cello.hpl.hp.com (David Jacobson)
Subject: Re: Pentax Auto 110 info wanted
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:03:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories

In article <PHILG.92Oct1173342@zug.ai.mit.edu> philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu writes:
>
>I have no personal experience with 110, but keep in mind that required
>film flatness is a function of aperture and ultimate degree of
>enlargement.  Thus, about 1/10th of an inch tolerance is available
>with 4x5 and drops off to practically nothing with 110.  The formula
>is in Stroebel's book on View Cameras (Focal Press).
>
>Philip Greenspun
>MIT Department of EECS

A deviation from the ideal film plane of amount d will produce a
circle of confusion of diameter c = d/f, where f is the f-stop.  In
35mm work it is customary to use .03mm as the diameter of the
acceptible circle of confusion.  It does seem that this ought to
change with the degree of enlargement, but this is getting into
psycho-optics, which is beyond my knowledge.

  -- David Jacobson
From: gauthier@fresnel.telecom.hydro.qc.ca (Jean-Benoit Gauthier)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: What is Barcodes ???
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:18:57 GMT
Reply-To: gauthier@fresnel.telecom.hydro.qc.ca
Organization: Hydro-Quebec

The title speak by himself !!!

I read an article recently in a magazine (popular photography ?) and they mentionned the word "BarCodes"...what's the use of that? Is it an accessory? A feature ? ......
 
A beginner who wants to know more ....
From: martinh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Martin Harris)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:03:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Canon EOS User Group/Magazine ?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.photo

>I was wandering : is there a user group or a magazine for us EOS users ?
>
>I waguely remember a reference in a British photo magazine that told about different useful stuff this group or magazine sold.
>
>Does anyone know its name and adress ?
>
>PLease answer me by e-mail to nilsa@idt.unit.no
>
>Nils Andreas Thommesen, owner of an EOS 1000
>

Canon (UK) provide the "Canon Professional Services (CPS)" which includes a bi-
monthly Newsletter. But they mainly provide a fast response/repair service for
professional photographers. There are certain rules of membership, one of which
is having 2 or more high end Canon bodies, and registering all your Canon 
equipment with them. So I suspect this is not what you're after, but you can
always make enquiries, to :-

                       Canon (UK) Ltd, Photo Division
                       Brent Trading Centre
                       North Circular Road
                       Neasden
                       London
                       NW10 0JF
                       Phone 081 459 1266
                       Fax   081 459 1836

  The August/September Newsletter in its review of the EOS-5 (A2E for those of
our readers in the colonies :-) had an interesting quote from Dougie Morrison
(Daily Express & EOS-1 Euro Pro Panel);
  
  ".... If this is the EOS 5, what on earth will the 'EOS 2' have on it
   when it finally appears?"

  But I wouldn't hold your breath for it !!!


Regards

Martin Harris


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From: kbb0@harvey.gte.com (Kevin Burke)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Want impressions from Saunders/LPL 4500-II Super Dichroic users
Keywords: What da ya think about now that you've got it?
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:10:57 GMT
Distribution: w

It's looking like I'm going to go ahead and pick one of these guys up
soon and I'm wondering if anyone who *owns/uses* the 4500-II has any
comments pro or con.

Thanks in advance.

E-mail preferred: Kevin (kbb0@gte.com)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: alix@indetech.com (Alexandria North)
Subject: Re: How do you focus in the dark?
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:03:43 GMT

In article <1a0q62INNevj@agate.berkeley.edu> ralph@mendel.berkeley.edu ( Ralph Peteranderl ) writes:
>Sorry,  we have a new newsreader here,  and I haven't quite figured out
>how to use it.  So I can't include the previous articles.  But the 
>question was how to focus on a spider at night without disturbing it.
>You should try red light (You can get red filters for some flash lights,
>they should be sufficient).  Many nocturnal animals can't see red light,
>so it makes a great (well,  not all that great - humans have a hard time 
>seeing, too) focusing aid.  I hope this helps with spiders,  too.  I know

When I first used my SB-24 (on my Nikon 8008s) in a low light situation, 
I was in autofocus mode because I couldn't see very well (you know, low 
light and all). Well, I never paid attention to reading about the SB-24's
autofocus assist, and nearly jumped a mile when I saw a red light appear 
on my cat's face across the room! I expected to turn around and see the 
Terminator laser-targeting my cat! Obviously, I figured out what waS 
happening pretty quickly, though my cat appeared not to notice the light 
at all.

Nice feature!



-- 
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"Babies, babies, babies. Why did God make so many babies?
 But no, God didn't make them. Stupid people made them."
      -- Margaret Mitchell, Gone With The Wind
From: huw@castle.ed.ac.uk (H G J Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: George Eastman's musical descendant
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:40:54 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


In article <1992Oct5.194609.22413@news.media.mit.edu>
wave@waits.media.mit.edu (
Michael B. Johnson) writes:
>H G J Evans writes
>> In article <1992Oct4.025230.17209@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
andpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
  
>writes:
>> >Does anyone know the name of a direct descendant of George Eastman
who is a
>> >MAJOR rock and roll star?
>>
>>....Linda Macartney stuff deleted....
>> 
>> Huw.
>
>This belongs in alt.urban-legends, guys...
>
>Linda McCartney is not George Eastman's direct descendant.  And if you 
>really think she is, I have a Neiman Marcus cookie recipe for you...
>


OK, somebody has already pointed out (correctly, for all I know) that
George Eastman had *no* descendants, but everything I have ever heard or
read on this subject suggests that Linda is, at least, 'closely'
related. I am not saying that I would consider the discovery that she is
a seventeenth cousin, twelve times removed, to be a complete
vindication, but I have always been given to understand that she was
(amongst how many others I don't know) in line of inheritance to the
Eastman estate. If anybody can prove me wrong, I am happy to be
corrected, but lets keep it on email, because it doesn't really seem to
belong on rec.photo.


Now, Michael B. Johnson, please email me. What exactly *is* a 'Neiman
Marcus cookie recipe'?   'Cookie recipe' I can work out: I think it
means 'biscuit recipe' in English, but who or what is 'Neiman Marcus'?


Huw.
From: ray@tsw.UUCP (Ray Izumi)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Slide Projectors
Keywords: projector
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:41:34 GMT
Organization: The System Works, Redmond, WA


I'm thinking about getting a slide projector, and have pretty much settled
on a Kodak Ektagraphic. These models are supposed to be "industrial quality"
as opposed to the Carousels, though prices are actually comparable. I've
also considered the Leica P150, which is a simple machine but of course has
the Leica name on it. One disadvantage of the Leica is that it uses the
straight magazine system which holds only 50 slides, while the Kodaks hold
80 slides.

I'd appreciate any comments or recommendations from those with experience
in this area.

Also, there are two types of lenses for projectors, flat field and curved
field. What is the difference between these?

-- 
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"No amount of not finding something proves it doesn't exist."
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: Pete Pulliam (pete@cqs.washington.edu)
Subject: tabletop automatic print processors.
Followup-To: pete@cqs.washington.edu
Summary: Durst and Fujimoto
Originator: pete@stein.u.washington.edu
Reply-To: pete@cqs.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:31:01 GMT

If anyone has experience using/researching the lower priced tabletop
automatic print processors I'd like to hear about it.

I'm looking at a fujimoto image processor CP-31.  I've heard that
Durst also has a good model.

	Pete
	pete@cqs.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: Legal aspects and copyright
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:28:42 GMT

In article <NICHOLS.92Sep27152406@offa.cs.odu.edu>, nichols@offa.cs.odu.edu (teresa nichols) writes:
...
> afternoon, I and only myself got a bit roughed up by the stage manager of

Its called ASSAULT over here.

> this band. He at first wanted my film, I said no, he tried to take it and
> realized I wouldn't give it to him, then forcibly took me out of the

Atempted THEFT or EXTORTION.

> I had complained that there were others taking pictures, and asked why I
> had been singled out, but the management refused to do anything about it.
> 

Get their names and put them on a warrant. the judge probably will be a little
more insistant on am answer.

> I also had a friend who told me today that some famous model came and appeared
> in a mall, and he went to take pictures of her. She pointed out that the
> press was ok, but my friend was not, and the guy was harrassed and then
> threatened by people who apparently owned the store and his bouncer. Now my
> friend did not cross any "police lines", nor did he try to contact the
> model, and was simply taking shots for his own self. If the person is not
> trying to make a nuisance of himself, but just taking pictures, in a public
> area, is there any legal grounds for this sort of harrassment?
> 

NO WAY.

> By the way, are there any photographers/lawyers or agencies which one can
> write to about these problems, so that those with the "big guns" can settle
> things for photographers rights? I don't know if the PPA does this.
> 
Its what the police are meant to be payed for... I have found that a quiet word
to a senior officer can work wonders. *BUT* you have to be prepared to follow
through if need be. If the 'law' jumps on some heavy giving you a hard time, and
you have too many things to do come trial time, you will be droped like a hot
potato[e]. If it made clear that you won't just go away, the word will get
around.

Pity you haven't had a written offer to buy copies, the suit for loss of
earnings would get the a*** holes attention.

Don't let the bastards get you down!

good luck

~Paul
From: nair@r2d2.ce.msu.edu (Sashi Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Tamron 180/2.5 LD Lens
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:48:13 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University

If anyone is interested in selling a used Tamron 180/2.5 LD lens
for around $400 please email me.

Thanks
From: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Rolleiflex repair?
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:17:10 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems


I've owned a few Rolleis over the years, and I've found that the
shutters, especially the slower speeds, tend to stick or slow down
if not used often.  It's best to go through all the speeds several
times once a month or so.

That being said, the Compur and like shutters are well understood
technologies, and any local competent repair shop that you trust
should be able to handle this routine work easy enough.

A CLA should run just south of a hundred bucks.  If more labor is
needed- ie, disassembly of lens/shutter, maybe up to $150 or so.

	Dave
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: blueml@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Guenter Blueml)
Subject: Re: How do you pronounce Leica?
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:44:53 GMT

lenehanj@ul.ie writes:

>In article <1992Sep30.134224.3731@news.columbia.edu>, fag2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Farul A Ghazali) writes:
>> Like the subject line says, how do you pronounce Leica? Is is 'lay
>> car' or 'lee car' or what? I'm having a bet with my friend and we need
>> some expert advice to settle this thing.


>Try "lie-ca". AS far as I know there isn't any "r" at the end !

>Des O'Donoghue c/o lenehanj@ul.ie ( University of Limerick, Ireland)

leica comes from "leitz-camera" and the pronounciation is "lei"
as in li(ght) and "ca" as in camera.

gue

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