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From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: SECA II  Advice?
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:22:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Jul30.205737.22470@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.185246.963@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
>|In article <21672@sybase.sybase.com> alexb@sybase.com (Alex Burmester) writes:
>|>Does anyone have a good reason not to get one of these?
>|>Would someone review some con's for me and any pro's that
>|>aren't obvious?

>Well, I test rode a Seca II when the Yamaha truck was around here.  I
>was less than impressed.  Here's my impressions.  (Sorry, Cliff, I don't
>mean to disparage your ride, this is just my riding impressions.)

no sweat

>|+great gas mileage and 4.5 gal fuel on-board (200 mi before reserve)
>What is the gas mileage?

i got high 50's (yamalube) on the pgh trip and 59-61 on the rcr ride (mobil1)

>|+comfortable (two trips of 1000 and 700 miles, *no* sore spots)
>For you maybe.  I thought the seat a bit hard.  (But then, I ride
>a Concours.)

perhaps i have the ujb (universal japanese butt)?    :-)

>|-can't hang with the katana crowd (you know who you are, dave and sean)
>Rider skill means more than what moto you ride.  Get stickier tires.

where can i order some skill/experience/nerve? :-)

>|-centerstand optional, but available
>I would put it "no centerstand, but available aftermarket".  I take it
>you bought one right off?

got it thrown in by the dealer for free, along with engine guards

>it, but I didn't.  I suggested he look at a Honda Hawk GT (a favorite
>of mine, along the same lines as the Seca II), and he found a brand new
>90 model for just over $3000, quite a bit less money, and quite a bit
>more motorcycle.  He bought it, and loves it.  I have ridden his, and
>was quite impressed.  Similar riding position, still no fairing (but
>aftermarket available), better power, better brakes, better suspension,
>and it just seems like it's a bit more refined, from an engineering
>standpoint.

i, too, looked at the hawk.  if the honda dealer here wasn't such a jerk (no
relation to lance holst (is a jerk!)), i'd have bought it.  they wanted
$3900 and didn't seem too willing to deal :-(

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|       Cliff Weston                     '92 Seca II (Tem)                 |
|       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   |
|                                                                          |
|       Don't look to me for proof that women get off easier than men.     |
|                               -- Evelyn                                  |
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From: mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: Nicest Interstate
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:26:44 GMT

In article <4wjml1k.edg@netcom.com> edg@netcom.com (Ed Greenberg) writes:
>Any comment on I64 between St. Louis and Norfolk VA?
>
>I've been told that the Kentucky part is quite scenic.  

Illinois and Indiana are a flat, straight and not very interesting.
Kentucky, West Virginia and parts of Virginia are nice.

My vote would be for I-5 in Northern California and Southern Oregon.



--
      Michael L. Johnson
      mlj8e@virginia.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: keller@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Tim Keller)
Subject: Re: Please wear a helmet
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:07:53 GMT

>
>The most convincing argument that I've heard is the NHTSA statistics.
>It shows that the the 5 states with the highest fatalities/accidents
>were helmet law states and the 5 states with the lowest were not.

One question: Was that total number of accidents, or accident rates? i.e.
did the states with the mandatory helmet laws have a higher accident/number of
riders rate than the non-helmet law states?
	The statistics that I have heard are that you have a 1 in 100 chance
of getting into an accident, 1 in 1000 chance of being injured, and 1 in 5000
chance of being killed in a car accident. The mc accident rate differs little
from the car rate except the chances of being injured in a mc accident are
much higher than 1 in 1000. 
	Do you have any numbers handy? e.g. Helmet law states had an accident 
rate of 1.5% while states without helmet laws have an accident rate of 1%.
Just curious.....

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: GATO Camera From Hell (tm)
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:21:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.123005.5172@worldbank.org>,
aki@nimbus@UUNET.UU.NET writes:
|> In article <14717.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us>
|> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave
|> Williams)  writes:
|> >
|> >-> Warning to UK bikers: Where the M4 (Highway to Hell (tm)) joins
|> >-> London (Hell (tm)), the filth have put one of their f**king
|> >-> little boxes.  It is on the incoming side, on the left, just
|> >-> where the limit goes from 70 to 50!
|> >
|> > Back in the 1960s the state of Texas 
|> >
|> That reminds me of an article in the Washington Post a few months
|> back.
|> Seems the local "federales" wanted to test the photo radar on the
|> beltway.
|> Where, I might add, EVERYONE either does 70 + or less than 30 mph,
|> depending on
|> the hour of the day.  They set up the photo equipment on a popular
|> stretch of
|> the beltway well known for the high speeds most people
|> drive just before/after rush hour.  Needless to say, because everyone
|> was
|> going well over the posted speed limit of 55 , the CAMERA RAN OUT OF
|> FILM
|> IN LESS THAN TEN MINUTES.  In fact the police stated that the camera
|> had to
|> take some many pictures that even after they reloaded the film, the
|> shutter
|> jammed and completely locked up.  The "experiment" was a complete
|> failure.
|> The police recommended an either looking at alternate methods of
|> traffic
|> enforcement (radar traps etc) or more reliable, high film volume
|> cameras.
|> In the end, they finally just decided to can the entire idea.  Can
|> you
|> imagine what the DoD could do if we all rode the min DoD speed spaced
|> about
|> a 100 yds apart past one of those cameras?  Heh heh...;)
|> 
I also seem to remember the proportion of tickets issued
to elected officials and public jobs (including cops) went
up dramatically as the police dept does not issue the tickets
but the company that maintains the radar system, the machine
does not differentiate between limos or PD cars going 90.
Remember that even with lights and sirens police are not
exempt from traffic laws (HOT PURSUIT is still open to debate)
 

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From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cages suck (women cagers)
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:49:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <14h9l6INNlpi@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 7907@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU, cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
>>but tailgating is never innocent, neither is pulling
>>out in front of another vehicle *when you saw it*, etc.  it is this type
>>of act which others have said are perpetrated by YFs moreso than males.

>Wife's?  Are you saying single women don't do these things?

by YF i meant 'young female'which may or may not be a wife.  my aplogies
for the misuse, if any.

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<       Cliff Weston                     '92 Seca II (Tem)                 >
<       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   >
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<       Don't look to me for proof that women get off easier than men.     >
<                               -- Evelyn                                  >
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jackr@thorodin.dazixco.ingr.com (Jack Reed)
Subject: Re: !!! SUMMER RIDING SUIT RAFFLE !!!
Reply-To: jackr@thorodin.dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:11:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.173532.12062@eos.arc.nasa.gov>, phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone) writes:
> In article <1992Jul24.233841.24782@infonode.ingr.com> jackr@thorodin.dazixco.ingr.com writes:
> >Hey. I know you hate this. I wouldn't do it if I wasn't forced to. Believe me,
> Remember folks, he *wants* to hear from you.
> 
> All it takes is one stroke of the 'R' key (in 'rn,' at least) to 
> politely tell Mr. Reed that, "thanks anyway, but take your stupid
> fucking summer riding suit ripoff raffle blackmail and cram it,
> high-colonically..."
> 
> Including a termcap file or binary image of Unix in your reply is
> not recommended (but protected by our treasured First Amendment).
> 
> A mere twenty thousand replies per Reed-spew ought to take care of
> this annoyance.

Tsk, tsk, poor Phil, another case of "no-sensa-humus" or possibly the dreaded
"but-I-don't-know-how-to-build-a-kill-file-whine".

In either case he should buy a raffle ticket.

He'll feel a lot better after being awarded KotS titleage.

Don't you agree?

Obtw Phil, thanks for reminding me, I almost forgot to post the raffle ad
today. Appreciate the reminder.
From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: New DoD listing. Current membership at 818
Date: 23 Jul 1992 23:34:06 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: LEARN TO READ

In article <1992Jul23.231804.19912@colorado.edu> laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
>There is a new DoD listing. To get a copy use one of these commands:

So, I went ahead and fingered motohead and what did I see but:

2001:Jeffrey W. Fox:CO:jwfox@Colorado.EDU

I don't know who Mr. Jeffrey W. Fox is, but I *stole* this number
fair and square over a year ago.  Get another one before I flame
you mercilessly and wave a snot covered trout in your general direction.

-
-John H. Osborn
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu
-DOD# 2001  '92 BMW Paris-Dakar

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ed@grackle.UWaterloo.ca (Ed Walker)
Subject: Re: Your Favorite Gear
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:10:50 GMT

In article <daved.711838092@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)  
writes:
> The question is, What is your Favorite Gear:
> 
> I've always liked First since my first RD350 did a surprise
> wheelie on my first day of ownership.
> 
> First is the Rush gear, a place for early acceleration.
> 
> Seconds always a let down, A drop down into third can be exciting
> 
> Fourth and fifth are strickly business for going and getting to places.
> 
> 
> Clearly FIRST Gear is the best gear. Are there any other opinions?
> 
> Dave

So far I like all my Gears :)... I find the ZX1000 pulls like hell no matter  
what gear or how fast.  I guess if I had to choose I would choose second (I  
have only had the bike 2 days) because on the first day I was accelerating hard  
and shifted into second.   When I let out the clutch and hit the gas it almost  
forced me off the back of the bike the kick was so hard (@ approx 120km/h).   I  
don't know if it is any stronger than any other gear (I still have less than  
200km on the bike) but what a rush that was.

Ed DoD#1234567890 KotDigits KotDecoy KotWannabees
Ninja ZX1000
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:42:55 -0400 
From: "Peter A. Simon" <ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
	<1992Jul22.220501.225@halfdome.sf.ca.us>

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us DoD #0023 writes:

>[muxh delightful stuff deleted]
>
>...This was the time of the Fourth and Fifth Helmet Wars.  There was
>anarchy in all the land, and sometimes three hundred articles a day.
>And yet some remembered fondly the Old Ways. 
> 
>-- laurie

Laurie, you've injected some much needed light-heartedness here. 
Encore!  Encore!
  


-peter

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From: dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: My views of the RCR
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:08:21 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

In article <1992Jul29.143810.11507@athena.cs.uga.edu> weaver@castor.cs.uga.edu (Mike Weaver) writes:
>the people in my t-p were hung over (including myself). I felt sorry for the

Just because I was climbing a tree for an aerobie and got tanken down by
a small black dog while catching the aerobie, does NOT mean I was drunk.

(and for those of you who are confused, I was not climbing the tree at the
same time I was running to catch the aerobie.)


Thanks to the person(s) who brought the aerboie, I think it was Steve
the duck owner and his wife



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I love the 3b2
The 3b2 is my friend.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Subject: Re: Harley riders waved !!!
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:17:00 GMT
Reply-To: Pooder@vnet.ibm.com, but I can't receive e-mail, so forget it. 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Jul24.125014.24110@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson) writes:
|> Pooder:
|> I tried to reply but your address bounces (twice..)

See my Reply-To: line above.  Soon to be fixed, I hope.

|> It has been a while since I picked up a bike rag and I
|> have been leaning towards a HD but am I to understand
|> correctly that he is a Norton dealer..are they back in
|> production/business or is he just handling used/service.
|> 

Nope, no new Nortons in the US, but they are making new ones with rotary
engines for Europe.  The shop here handles parts and service, mostly for 
Commandos.


-- 

    Pooder    -    Rochester,  MN   -   DoD# 0591  (I think)   -  LotN 
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From: rowell@socrates.umd.edu (William Rowell)
Subject: Please buy my cage, so I can buy a bike!
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:59:11 GMT

1991 TOYOTA MR2 Turbo, Aquamarine Pearl. Loaded. $15,500 Or best offer.

I owe $15,622 on this car and it is placing too much of a financial burden
 on me. Please make me an offer or take over payments of $391/month.

Figures:
	2.0-liter 4-cyl. turbocharged, intercooled engine makes 200HP.
	40K pleasureable miles. 22-30 MPG. 0-60 MPH in 6.0 sec. Top speed 145.
	Tires-195/60R14 85V front; 205/60R14 88V rear. 
Features:
	5-Speed manual, Air Conditioning, Cruise Control, Anti-Lock brakes,
	Driver's side Airbag, Power locks/windows/antenna/mirrors, Fog Lights,
	7-speaker stereo with CD player, T-Tops, 7-way bucket driver's seat w/
	Lumbar, Leather wrapped	steering wheel, shifter, and hand brake.
Care:
	Oil changed ever 3K miles. Slick50 added at 1,000 miles. Original
	tires on front. Rear tires have 28K miles. Washed and waxed often. 
	Never redlined, crashed, raced or otherwise tortured.

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Organization: Career Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:43:16 -0400 
From: Steve Slominski <ss2q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Bike/riding/transporting hints?


Now that my bike and I are fully recovered (see previous post), I have
to turn my thoughts ahead to planning my vacation ride next month.  The
plan is to ride from Pittsburgh to Birmingham with nights in
Philadelphia, Virginia Beach and Durham.  Since a bunch of Denizens were
probably just traveling some of these roads this weekend, I'm hoping you
might be able to tell me which ones are beautiful, boring, exciting or
under construction.

At this point, the shortest route is my planned route for reasons of
efficiency and lack of any better ideas.  This means the PA Turnpike,
I-76 (or probably U.S. Route 30 instead) to Philadelphia, then U.S.
Route 13 through Delaware and across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel to
Virginia Beach.  From there 13 would take me about halfway to Durham, or
I could take U.S. 58 over to I-95 or I-85.  I'll probably take I-85 to
Atlanta and I-20 to Birmingham the next day just to make the longest leg
go as quickly as possible, but any suggestions for more relaxing or
scenic routes would really be appreciated.  If anyone has had experience
with riding/ferrying the Outer Banks route in NC, I'd love to know about
that also... 

My bike is a 1983 Suzuki GR650 Tempter, which has been running
wonderfully for me in the ten or so months that I've owned it.  A new
chain, rear tire (front has <1000 mi.) and oil/filter change before
leaving should take care of the obvious, but does anyone have knowledge
of any other things to watch out for with this bike?  I've been told by
two owners of this model that the stator is destined to fail at some
point (the bike has about 11,600 miles on it), but I don't know if it
would be avoiding future hassle to replace it now or not.

And now for the fun part: after a couple days rest for my weary behind
on a Florida beach, I and some friends will be loading a Ryder truck
with their furniture, my bike _and_ a car on a tow-dolly and driving it
back to Pennsylvania.  I'm still looking for a good source of the
ratcheting tie-down straps I've seen used to secure a bike for transport
-- can these be found mail-order, or perhaps a surplus store?

Any and all suggestions will be gratefully received -- oh, as well as
any pointers to a manual for this bike, which is apparently a
one-model-year wonder.

Many thanks, and I hope the RCR was a great success.

~STEVE~


------------

Steve Slominski
Recruiting Coordinator, Career Center
Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh
ss2q@andrew.cmu.edu  (412)268-2064


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: steve@bucolix.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Subject: Re: Harley riders waved !!!
Reply-To: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:06:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.210726.29563@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>In article <14hchcINNlpi@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>,
>egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>>Somebody else sed:
>>>A Harley, is a Harley, is a Harley!  
>>Unless it's a Buell.
>I don't know.  Brian's HD in Langhorne PA has a Buell on the floor and I
>read in Hot Bike that they are being sold through HD dealers...

I stopped at a motorcycle-dealer in some midwestern town in the mid-80's,
and they were selling brand-new Harleys and brand-new Yamahas.  They held
franchises for both marques.  I wish I could remember the town...the dealer
seemed like a really nice guy.

Steve Garnier - DoD #00000005 - '79 XS1100SF w/ 157K+ miles and *climbing*
KotF (Flame),  KotAM (Anecdotal Motorcycle),  The Daemon's Byte
steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu       "Ineluctably Prolix" - John Norman Sims, Jr.
Come an' get it!  Served up nice an' *hot*!!  Get yer FREEEEE *logorhea*!!!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Zippidy doo dah, zippidy day, me oh my I'm in love with a gay(?)!
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:16:20 GMT

Or some such nonsense!

When I got my clutch fixed at a non-BMW shop, the guy who did the work was an 
ex-BMW mechanic, he said that my shock was shot (shit! A shot shock!) and that
he had a couple of new ones purloined from legit upgrades when he used to work
for BM.  He offered one to me for half a ton (L50) but as they were charging me
L450 for the work on my bike, I could not afford it that particular month.  
Well, yesterday I drew out L50 from this month's almost depleted cash-stock and
treated my Flying-Brick to a new shocker.  The handling had been terrible for 
months and I had put it down to the wrong choice of back tyre, but when I went
for a spin after fitting the new shock, I was delighted!  The bike handles 
better than an FZR, better than a Duke, better than a ...  oh, OK, I admit that
a K might not be the best handling bike in the world, but I was impressed!  

I am going to the MAGna Carta Freedom Rally in Upminster tonight as soon as I 
can race home and get my tent and gear packed.  I have had a tee-shirt made 
from the DoD badge that Evelyn (DoD 3333) faxed me and it looks OK.  I shall
also take my BIKE tee-shirt (from the mag: BIKE) for when the DoD one gets
too smelly.  The thing I am not looking forward to is the journey to the site,
it is at 2 o' clock on the M25 whereas I am at 9 o' clock.  I hate that
godforsaken Highway-To-Hell (should be Highway-Around-Hell!).

Well, wish me luck and fun, I'll maybe tell you a bit about it when I get back
from all the fun, beer, Hardlys, wacko competitions, and other irrelevant 
irreverant frivolities.  Shame I can't take more than 30 notes with me though!


Nick              DoD 1069              (How DO you get a .sig with tin?)

42 ?

"Riding down the Queen's highway looking like a streak of lightning, 
motorbiking, motorbike riding....." -Can't Remember, good though.

"Just another brick (flying) in the wall" -Pink Fluoride
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: GATO Camera From Hell (tm)
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:19:43 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 7746@porthos.cc.bellcore.com, fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson) writes:
>
>Remember that even with lights and sirens police are not
>exempt from traffic laws (HOT PURSUIT is still open to debate)

Remember that in the real world, police are exempt from all traffic
laws (who's gonna write the ticket).  In the absence of lights and
sirens, and uniforms, police are de-facto exempt from all minor traffic
laws.

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Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...