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From: kamal@telebit.com (Kamal Hyder)
Subject: Wanted: A Good Sitar
Originator: kamal@napa
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:36:52 GMT



I'm looking for a good Sitar, at least 10 years old, for serious
music performances.  If you know of one that has been made by one
of India's famous Sitarmakers from Calcutta (Hiren Roy, Naskar,
Hemen) please let me know.  Thank you.

Kamal Hyder
From: sadhal@alhena.usc.edu (Sati Sadhal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Regarding RAW-Mossad Nexus to Fight Terrorism
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:29:25 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alhena.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul27.155113.15926@cis.ohio-state.edu> jayasim@platypus.cis.ohio-state.edu (D Jayasimha) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.212423.16686@u.washington.edu> ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan) writes:
>[stuff deleted]
>
>>	Israel. The failure of the GOI's actions in Punjab is due to:
     
        [stuff deleted]

>>	...... will necessarily lead to a peaceful Punjab (*,$).
>	

	[stuff deleted]
>
>All the attempted solutions have a monomaniacal belief in the use of force.

  [stuff deleted]

>>for example, can provide.  As the recent events even in Israel show, long 
>term solutions lie in the path of roses, not guns.
>
	[stuff deleted]

>is likely to brew in the country in the future.
>
>jayasimha

While it may be true that we run a risk when we invite a `snake' to
help us out. The truth is that we too have become a `snake' out of
desperation, especially since all other avenues of maintaining our
sovriegnity have run out. 

It is also true that in the long term solutions lie in the path of
roses and not guns. However, if there is a doubt of our existence 
as a nation in the long term, desperate measures are necessary. 
The alliance with MOSSAD is one such measure. 

The point is that the long-term solution is only good as long 
as the long term will actually exist. 

                               ------- Satwindar Singh Sadhal
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 26 Jul 1992 21:01:59 CDT
From: <U53433@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Help needed Univ. of British Columbia, Canada

Hi,
I am attending the OOPSLA-92 conference this october at Vancouver.
I need assistance from students at the Univ. of British Columbia
in arranging for my stay at Vancouver during the conference. I would be
grateful to anybody who will provide information about accomodation. I
 would like to know if it is possible to share boarding with anyone in the
Univ. of British Columbia during the conference.

Thanks in advance.

Sanjeev
u53433@uicvm.uic.edu
ssshah@bert.eecs.uic.edu
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 00:02:09 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Women, I am about to launch a free electronic matching service on 
Usenet.  Unfortunately, more guys than gals have expressed an 
interest so far.  If you would like to see the fourth draft of my 
questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's needs as well as 
men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I posted in 
alt.personals.
 
This service is serious and I already have 161 men and 111 women 
signed up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected 
and programming has begun.
 
I should point out that this questionnaire really, really, really, 
needs some more input on CULTURES.  I need some questions to make sure
that matches are compatible culturally.
 
                                                            Eric Klien
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: New HIV Strain?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:02:56 GMT


In article <l71427INN8al@phad.hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>
>The ABC news on Wednesday (7/22) carried an interview with a researcher at 
>the Univ.of California in Irvine who claimed to have identified a new strain of
>HIV viruses. Dr.Sudhir Gupta (and hence the relevance to SCI , I am told)
>claims that this virus cannot be detected by the usual ELISA test and it has
>been shown to cause the immunodeficiency associated with the progress of the
>disease. The Center for Disease Control (CDC) has identified three such
>cases in the US and the blood samples at UCI were from that organisation.
>
>Is this virus going to be HIV-III or is it a mutant strain?
>
>
>Samit


The data are apparently based on 2 subjects, a woman who had blood transfusions
in the 40's or 50's, and her thirtysomething year old daughter.  This
is a wealth of information to make claims of a new virus, not!  From what
I saw on the news he was shown with an EM micrograph.  There was no idea
of whether or not it is a retrovirus, and all of the proper identification
tests don't seem to have been done.  So is this guy jumping thet gun, or what?
Scientists at the Amsterdam conference (at least those interviewed on TV)
seem to think that he may be pulling a "fast-one."

We'll have to wait for the original report to come out, but if you make
grandiose claims without doing all of the controls, not just ELISAs and
Westerns, but Southerns and sequencing, you're just asking for another
"Cold-Fusion" confusion.

Ed

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: What will I do in India(Re: Rape in Bengal)
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:26:01 GMT

>>1. Join as a professor in IIT Kharagpur. Do something to help India flex
>>its muscle in science. Revive the moribund NSS(National Service Scheme)
>>to do some useful work. As a hall-warden to show new students that there
>>is work for them in India if he doesn't find the greener pastures of USA
>>so stimulating once he reaches there and keep them off from drug,alcohol,
>>and pornography and wasting their energies in "hall tempo". 
>>I have 4 years of first hand experience and I was not one of the "commies".
>    Dont brand all these as unacceptable,If an adolescent experiments let
>    him didnt Clinton try not to inhale but experiment? 
>
I did not brand them unacceptable. I tried them myself. But I am pointing out
that there is no one out there showing an alternative way.


>   My misinformed friend prostitution has always had religious scantion in
>   in India.The very concept of the devadasi system stems from it.Karnataka
>   has a whole village were girls at a very young age are set aside as 
>   prostitutes for the village  Goddess.This practice is not all acceptable
>   by any reigious standards but the fact is that it is still prevalent
>   and tradition is resisting any  effort to rehabilitate them.
>
Well, if you cared to read some of the scriptures instead of listening to
what priests told you; you would have known who is misinformed. Religious
sanction does not mean the sanction of a priest. It means that prostitution
is an acceptable lifestyle if you are trying for your spirtual development.
However, that does not mean that people who decide to chose prostitution due
to either economic conditions or promiscuous nature should be despised. Devdasi
system was meant to give these ladies respect so that people do not subjugate
them to slavery. That's why they were "slaves of God" and not "slaves of a
pimp." Read "The toy cart" on which Shashi Kapoor's "Utsava" is based if you
want to find out the status of prostitutes in ancient India.
Arindam
>
>
>
>> 3 is day dreamingas I don't have any first hand experience;
>> but then neither do any of the readers I think.
>>
>    HAPPY DREAMING
>
>  gopa 
>
Thanx

>
>
>  ALFRED E NEUMANN FOR PRESIDENT
>  ANGELA E NEUMANN FOR RUNNNING MATE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sriram@cs.uh.edu (Sriram Raghunathan)
Subject: The SCI Carnival (was Meeting net.people)
Organization: Computer Science dept.,  Univ. of Houston (Main Campus)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:17:37 GMT

Turned down. No way, they said. We dont want to see your
foul face, you nerd. We simply don't want geeks around here,
to spoil the wonderful atmosphere of the gathering,  
they declared unanimously. Such outright refusal
by people with whom I had been identifying with for
all of my stay in this alien country. It leaves a bitter
sensation in the mouth. I feel like one of those rejected
silicon pieces, the almost 486s and the almost 88Ks,
that didn't make it past QC.

I am referring to the Great Carnival of the S.C.I.,
to be held shortly (Aug 15 - 17) at Boulder, Colorado.
It is agonizing to realize that almost everyone I know
has been invited to it. Arindam was telling me he couldnt
make it because of some conference coming up, and
someone else told me that he was shifting that weekend
and couldnt possibly go, but apart from these people,
I dont know anyone who is not attending. 
I must be the only one who actually requested that I be 
allowed to attend, only to be harshly denied.

And what had I wanted of them? Merely to be allowed to 
stand in some obscure corner and applaud. 
To see VSthan, whoever he is, wherever he is.
To see Icarus, dazzling in his literary coat-of-arms,
proudly strutting the stage, insouciant with his vocabulary.
To nervously await the revelation of the mystery 
behind The Phoenix.
To seek the blessing of Uma Maheswari and pray for the
good of my friends and family.

But why have I been subjected to such disgrace?
I did read every single article of theirs on the s.c.i.,
from header through .signature and echo all of their
incantations. I have always considered it blasphemous
for one to try and include even a mis-spelled version
of their names in a kill file. I have always thought
all the articles by Icarus wonderful, even when he once posted
an article with only one line and that was  1]Stay cool.
I revered Uma as the original inspiration behind
Germaine Greer displaced in time. I have shuddered religiously
as Juggernaut Rao applied his scythe to this head and the next.
I promptly wondered for very long what was wrong with Gundekota,
and always expurgated his articles before saving them.

It is unfair, I tell y'all. Blatantly iniquitous.

---
sriram
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:25:12 GMT

In article <l7b79jINN4kb@phad.hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.231053.979@news2.cis.umn.edu> crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
>>In article <l78kk4INNs6v@phad.hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>>>
>>>Samit
>>>
>>>
>So you actually thought that "Indiana Jones" was a movie about India. Way to
>go!!!  
>
>I guess by the same token you thought that SCI was a newsgroup for American
>Indians and not the Asian kind that you encountered here. Come to think of
>it, your comments about racism, slavery and mental aberrations inherent
>in Indians actually makes sense when you realise that those were directed
>against the people on the reservations. 
>
>Samit
>
>

Samit, this is you second (delayed?) response on the Indian Jones comment.
Did you forget your earlier reply?  You too may be suffering from a
neurodegenerative disease.  Do you think (or does Dr. Mrs. Samit think) that
this condition is caused by a latent retrovirus like Visna, or a prion agent
like Scrapie?

Ed
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: MEN of EASTERN origin
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:17:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: emoryu1.821
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

ICKUL@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
: Please do not make any rash generalizations!  I am female, but I would
                                                     *******
                                              Difficult to
											  believe!!???
--------------------------------Sreehari



: have to disagree with your generalizations.  We are all individuals,
: and should be judged individually.Quite a number of Eastern men
: are scums, but on the other hand, I know many others who are the
: reverse.  It is a good policy to be cautious with new acquaintances,
: but if you only look for negative qualities in people, you will
: generally confirm your ideas.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: US National Debt
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:07:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.160951.12988@news2.cis.umn.edu> crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
>Speaking of false positives, is it possible that Dr. Gupta used the Eastern
>blot to "discover" his "new virus,"  the one that causes AIDS (based on 2
>cases).  He should know that the false positives to which you refer can
>be avoided by using the secondary taste detector (please avoid the artefactual
>brown blots).

While the secondary taste detector you refer to is of value in
providing corroborative evidence I would question it in terms of
consistent behaviour. For example, sensitivity, qualitative definition
and taste saturation curves would differ considerably between OEM
sources of this device.

George

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: srini@ecf.toronto.edu (KANDALA SRINIVAS)
Subject: Re: (mis) COMMUNICATION on SCI
Keywords: (mis) communication on sci
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:29:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.012808.27670@massey.ac.nz> J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal) writes:
>Terms used to impress others on the net.
>Terms used in order to show our intellectual superiority. 
>Terms used to win a debate based on rhetoric if there is no
>substance.
>Terms used to (mis)communicate on SCI.
>Terms that have always been part of our vocabulary;)
>
Ok, i'll do my bit.


>Empathise= Couldn't find the meaning in my Australian Dict.- Has
>to do with getting into the subject to understand it?

from webster:
em.pa.thy \'em-p*-the-\ n 1: the imaginative projection of a subjective 
   state into an object so that the object appears to be infused with it 2: 
   the capacity for participating in another's feelings or ideas

>Nomomaniacal= Couldn't find the meaning in my Australian Dict.

i think it is monomaniac - well, you never know with these guys.

>(need help here- single minded maniac probably?)
>
>So how are we doing in our first subtle communications lesson?
>
great! my vocabulary is already improving.

>"The greatest burden in life is having potential and being a
>philanthropist"
>
>John Ainikkal

srini
-- 
Blue Jays: 1992 World Champions (I say this every year. I hope they
make it this time)
From: sarkar@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Nilanjan Sarkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Changing role of women - a woman's perspective
Keywords: Women, Liberation, India, Family, Pre-marital, Extra-marital.
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:34:34 GMT
Organization: GRASP Lab, University of Pennsylvania


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rpendse@velveeta.mfg.hou.compaq.com (Raju Pendse)
Subject: Calcutta Power Situation
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:51:12 GMT

 read a post on situation of power in Calcutta. I lived in Calcutta upto 1971
and I do not remember any load shedding at all till then. The next time I visited Calcutta was in 1977 and there was upto 15 hours per day of load shedding in 
most residential areas. I could never understand how such a situation was 
reached in a period of few years. I do remember that before my family left    
Calcutta in 1971 there used to be instances of people breaking power lines to
sell them as scrap metal, and some people also were electrocuted in the process.

Any explanations as to why the power situation degraded so rapidly in Calcutta
and is it still so bad ?

Regards,
Raju Pendse
From: rhb@carp.cis.ufl.edu (Rajesh Badani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: TAX ON NRI ACCOUNT
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:24:44 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Hi netters,
I am posting this for a friend of mine who does not have a access to the net.
He has a regular income in india and in US,thus he is a tax payer in both the
country.Now he has opened an NRI account in india,and wants to know to which 
country (if any!) he is supposed to pay the tax ?.And more importantly can he
get around with it any way ?

All the gurus in this area,please add more relevant info on which i forgot
to ask.
Please reply to me directly by e-mail.
my e-mail is rhb@reef.cis.ufl.edu

Thanx a million in advance.
----Rajesh Badani
.
From: mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Family values and the West.
Keywords: Marriage, Family, Industrial, West.
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:26:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California

In article <76796@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>
>Technology is, however, rapidly making obsolete the ideas of the
>"nuclear family" and the "love marriage."  

Anybody heard the new Bud Dry radio ad?  "Why has love become so impersonal?"
Joe and Jane Budweiser on the radio, talking about their engagement. 
Joe overnights her a ring.  She leaves him voice-mail saying it's
beautiful.  One wants to meet the other's parents, so they decide to
set up a conference call.

Not to quote Bud Dry as a font of knowledge (although does tend to be
a fountain of other things). . .  Especially because their "Why ask
why?" motto might piss off a lot of the alt.philosophers in this group
(sorry, tyadav/tyadev: why ask why?)

Seriously, though, how exactly is technology making the love marriage
obsolete?  I don't think the scenario in the ad is realistic.

Manish


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rsingi@penuts.enet.dec.com (Rajesh Singi)
Subject: Any news on archery events at Olympiad ???
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:07:44 GMT


Hi folks,

Any news about Indian archer Limbaram who won a medal ( silver ? ) at
World championship in China ? He was a star performer for India there.

Hope he repeats his peformance in Olympic.

-Rajesh 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: udumudi@maxine.wpi.edu (u v babu srinivas)
Subject: Carnivorous Habits of Humans And The Sacred Cow
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 02:47:38 GMT

Excerpt from the book "On Human Nature" by Edward O. Wilson. This book
was the winner of the Pulitzer Prize for general non-fiction. The book
was published in 1978. Edward O. Wilson is Frank B. Baird Jr. Professor
of Science and Curator in Entomology at the Museum of Comparative Zoology,
Harvard University.

\{start quote} Pages 93-95

"In `Cannibals and Kings', Marvin Harris has suggested a series of 
bizzare examples of the way that chronic meat shortages affect the
shaping of religious beliefs... Early human beings, as I have said,
filled a special ecological niche: they were the carnivorous primates
of African plains. They retained this position throughout the Ice Age
as they spread into Europe, Asia, and finally into Australia and the
New World. When Agriculture permitted the increase of population 
density, game was no longer abundant enough to provide a sufficient
supply of fresh meat, and the rising of civilizations either switched
to domestic animals or went on reduced rations. But in either case
carnivorism remained a basic impulse, with cultural after effects
that varied according to the special conditions of the environment
in which the society evolved."

".. [about effect on Mexico].. "

"India began from a stronger nutrient base than Mexico and followed a 
different but equally profound cultural transformation as meat grew
scarce. The earlier Aryan invaders of the Gangetic Plain presided
over feasts of cattle, horses, goats, buffalo, and sheep. By later
Vedic and early Hindu times, during the first millenium B.C., the 
feasts came to be managed by the priestly caste of Brahmans [sic],
who erected rituals of sacrifice around the killing of animals and
distributed the meat in the name of Aryan chiefs and war lords. After
600 B.C., when populations grew denser and domestic animals became
proportionately scarcer, the eating of meat was progressively
restricted until it became the monopoly of Brahmans [sic] and their
sponsors. Ordinary people struggled to conserve enough livestock to
meet their own desperate requirements for milk, dung used as fuel, 
and transport. During this period of crisis, reformist religions 
arose, most prominently Buddhism and Jainism, that attempted to
abolish castes and hereditary priesthoods and to outlaw the killing
of animals. The masses embraced the new sects, and in the end their
powerful support reclassified the cow into a scared animal.

So it appears that some of the most baffling of religious practices
in history might have an ancestry passing in a straight line back to
the ancient carnivorous habits of humankind. Cultural Anthropologists
like to stress that the evolution of religion proceeds down multiple,
branching pathways..... "

\{end quote}

Prof Wilson was the author of the books `The Insect Societies' (1971)
and `Sociobiology: The New Synthesis' (1975). 

Hmmmmm... :)

-- srinivas

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: manish@cfmu.eurocontrol.be (Manish Chhatralia)
Subject: sarh-vhan maino
Summary: fasting
Originator: manish@rook
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 13:46:19 GMT
Organization: Eurocontrol - Central Flow Management Unit

Dear friends,
	This is my first time sending a message so I do hope it works.

	Just to say that I hope your sarh-vhan maino goes well, for those
    who are participating.

    best wished to all
    Manish.
From: crick@htlv.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: US National Debt
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:44:44 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Jul24.002035.23120@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
>
>Despite not having the credentials to post on s.c.i (e.g. drycleaned
>dhoti, scalp lavishly anointed with perfumed hair oil) I think that Mr.
>Crick has a valid point. Please, dear countrymen, restrict yourself to
>RELEVANT postings. 
>
>George
>

I must disagree with you concerning my credentials.  I am adroit at using
the Indian biological technique, the Eastern blot.  This technique was
pioneered in India's institute of higher learning, as existed before
DNA hybridizations.  For those of you wondering what an Eastern blot is, it
is when you spill curry on your fresh, white kurta.

Ed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: badri@warren.mentorg.com (Badri Lokanathan)
Subject: Attention: IIT Delhi Alumni
Organization: Mentor Graphics IC group / Warren NJ 07059
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:04:53 GMT

I am posting this message on behalf of Mr. Subash Razdan ('74).

The National Federation of Indian Americans is organizing a conference in
Atlanta, GA (Oct. 2 - Oct. 5, 1992) on Economic Opportunities in India.

The convener, Mr. Subash Razdan and Dr. S.S. Mathur of the Indian Embassy
in Washington would also like to use this opportunity to form an IIT-Delhi
Alumni Association Chapter in the US. The goals of the chapter would be
along the lines of a similar chapter established by IIT-Kharagpur alumni.

Mr. Razdan is looking for IITD alumni interested in organizing the meeting.

Those interested may contact him at his residence- 404-333-9781.
-- 
Badri_Lokanathan@Warren.MentorG.COM               Go ahead, flame away.
(or) ...!uunet.uu.net!sdl!badri                   Make my day.