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From: nkumar@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Naresh Kumar CHE Grad )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: The Patil Files (+ Srikkant,Siddhu)- was Re: In the defense
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:56:08 GMT
Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio

In article <1992Nov17.152632.26629@ecrc.de> sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad) writes:
>
>Yes, it's funny how selective one's memory can be.   No one really disputes
>Patil's talent as a batsman, it's just his overall attitude lacked something.
>In comparing Patil to Srikkanth by looking at just the stats, one cannot 
>get a picture of how many runs the Streak was worth as a fielder, and how 
>many Patil gave away on that count.  Also, Patil had some fitness problems 
>towards the end of his career.  Stats hide these unfortunate realities.  And 
>that was a period when fielding, running and such aspects (that make the 
>difference between being strong on paper and winning) were important in Indian 
>cricket.
>
>[ deleted ]

Patil was a good stroke player but certainly not a good fielder.
However his test career came to an end not because of his batting 
failure but due to the ego hassles of Kapil and Gavaskar. Gavaskar was
bent upon Kapil's omission after the Delhi Test with England because
he made an irresponsible shot at a very critical juncture which in the
end cost the match.  So for the next match Kapil was dropped and along
with him Patil also . Perhaps this was done as a balacing act.  Then
came Ajhar who made centuries in three consecutive test matches. Kapil
came after missing one test but Patil could not be brought in for
Ajhar had made a century.  Of course after his three centuries he too
had a very batting record.  Ajar must have kept in the team at that  
time only for his fielding abilities.

ciao

naresh
From: KSRAO@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: SA v Ind T1 D3 FINAL
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:49:25 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Ind v SA T1 D3  Final

Starting the day at 128 for 6, India lost Prabhakar for 13 at 146. Since then
Amre and More are at the crease with India at 194 for 7 (at 11:25 GMT), Amre is
with 68 and More 20. Schultz is out with a hamstring injury (or a pulled
hamstring).
With just more than an hour before the stumps (at 13:55 GMT), India are 266 for
8, a lead of 12 runs. Amre was a out for 103. A century in his debut test. Let
ud hope that he will not follow the illustrous predecessors like Deppak Shodhan
etc.

India were all out for 277 (source: BBC WS TV). AIR did not mention anything
about SA's second innings. It said India were all out just before stumps. I
take it that the play for the day ended with Indian innings.
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From: pkohli@cc.gatech.edu (Prince Kohli)
Subject: Bouncing addresses
Reply-To: pkohli@cc.gatech.edu (Prince Kohli)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:49:34 GMT

Following is the list of addresses that belong to the mailing list
CRICKET but from whom mail bounces back, at least from my machine.
If you are one of the following, please send me email.

sriram@CS.UTEXAS.EDU,
HOORANI@CGEUGE11,
PHYSSC@MIZZOU1,
SUBRAMAT@ETSU,
NETNEWS@AUVM,
ICNSM@ASUACAD,
RSINHA@WCU,
NEEEVAX1@NDSUVM1,
ACDCFSR@SAUPM00,
OPRMQH@SAUPM00,
CVJD@UMSVM,
VKUMAR@UCONNVM,
DACOSTA@SJUVM,
ravid@HERKY.CS.UIOWA.EDU,
ahmadt@PROJECT4.COMPUTER-SCIENCE.MANCHESTER.AC.UK,
PXS121@PSUVM,
TXA4331@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU,
IEKP898@TJUVM,
MRICHARD@GUVAX,
NBUTALA@UTCVM,
TS41@LAFAYACS

-------------------

Cheers,

-Prince [India will win ..eventually] Kohli
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From: ramprasa@chlorine.ecn.purdue.edu (Ramprasad Ramakrishna)
Subject: Re: Out to the first ball of a Test match
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:00:58 GMT

In article <9211181751.AA16132@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> B536HIND@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU (C. S. Sudarshana bhat) writes:
>Could someone with a Wisden and/or Wisdom please post all the instances
>that this has happened?  I believe that Gavaskar has the world record
>in this category as well (and Border/Miandad/Richards can't apply ;).
>What about Holding's dismissal of Gavaskar off the first ball in the
>1982-83 test at Sabina Park, O Spaceman at PennState?


I think Gavaskar has always got out in the first ball of the innings( 3such times) but never the first ball of the match. The Shivnarine catch in Blore which I witnessed was in Inds 1st innings after WI batted.
The Holding dismissal was I believe in the Indian 2nd innings.

Holding----------------- I could watch his bowling action for hours and hours and still not get tired.  Smmmmmmmmmmmmooooooooooooooooooooooooooooth is an understatement.
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Subject: NZ v SL President's XI
From: sathi@tahi.isor.vuw.ac.nz (Gurusingham Sathiyandra)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:11:01 GMT
Organization: Institute of Statistics and Operations Research, VUW, Wellington, NZ


>NZ v SL Board President's XI

>     SL Board President's XI defeated the touring NZ side by 17 runs in their
>first tour fixture. NZ won the toss and put SL team to bat. They scored 181 for
>7 in their 45 overs and NZ fell short by 18 runs to win it. The sixth wicket
>partnership between ?? (scored 47) and Harris yielded 61 runs.


Braeburn(who joined the team later) was the top scorer for NZ. SL Board 
President's XI was lead by the test player Roshan Mahanama.




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From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: WI v NSW, day 3, stumps
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:23:35 GMT

At stumps, 3rd day, WI 3/225, still 65 behind.

First innings, NSW 5/473 (dec) (M.Wagh 200*)
WI All out 183 (Hooper 81*)

Following on, WI...

Lara		?	B Holdsworth	  3
Simmonds	C Emery B Alley		109
Richardson	C S.Waugh B Matthews	 75
Hooper					 21
Logie					  7
				3/	225


Other games, Qld declared overnight, Vic 4/149 (Nobes 68*, Border 4/44)
play still has 40 minutes to go (more time lost while run-ups dried)

SA v TAS, SA 7/368 (dec), Tas 6/298 (dec, Boon 60), SA 0/13 (still
playing).

kre
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: NZ in SL story -continued
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:42:21 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Nov17.102708.13714@news.clarkson.edu>, pdy@sun.soe.clarkson.edu ( Yapa,,,) writes:
> From article <BxuEI0.Bs7@ns1.nodak.edu>, by ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu:
>> New Zealand Board of Cricket has decided unanimously that the tour of Sri Lanka
>> should proceed as scheduled. Its President McDermott is flying to Colombo to
>> talk to the players. He will also hold talks with the British and Australian
>> High Commissioners and others to assess the security situation. After
>> appraising the players of the situation, a decision will be made within forty
>> eight hours - if the tour proceeds, any player who wants to go home will be
>> released. Most of the players seem to be shook up as they did witness the bomb
>> blast and the death of five persons.
>> 
>> 
>> K. Sankara Rao                          e-mail ksrao@power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu
> I think that NZ did the right thing by continuing the tour. And I hope
> they will not reverse the decision. 
> 
> SL has been a security risk for 10 years now. Overall the security now
> is better than in the late 80's.  When NZ agreed to tour SL they were aware
> of the slight security risk.  If you look objectively the risks have
> not worsened or improved because of the most recent attack.
> Australia toured SL this year. They were aware of the problems.
> 
> Here are some facts:
> The bomb attack in Colombo is the third major one in 3 years.
> 
> Last year: a Bomb exposion killed a top minister and with 30 others.
> Last year: another Bomb occured in the military HQ and  killed more than
>            60 people.
> both of those happened in central Colombo areas and was quite unexpected.
> 
> There will be a top trade show iin Colombo starting in 2 days time.
> 2500 foreign businessman are expected.
> 
> Although I can understand the scare the NZ cricketers got ( the incident 
> apparently happened right in front of Taj Samudra where they were staying-
> and the bomb has rocked the hotel while the criketers were having breakfast.
> ), the risk has not increased because of this explosion.
> the risk was there when they arrived  and I don't think it has increased.
> 
> Yapa


It doesn't sound much worse (if at all!) than the security risk posed by the
IRA in England.   Come to think of it, I recall three major IRA bombs in less
than a year.  If the NZ players feel that they are targets then they should
return.
From: KSRAO@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Ind v SAI D1 stumps
Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:00:19 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

India v SA Invitational XI

      India ended the day at the score of 242 for 8. Amre scored a century and
was seventh out for 101. Manjrekar scored 53 and Yadac 36. For the Invitational
team, Snell took 3 for 53 and McHelm (I hope that I got the name right) 4 for
46.

      India lost the first three wickets by the time the score was 21. But Amre
and Manjrekar put up one hundred in 140 minutes before Manjrekar was stumped at
the score of 134. At the same score Prabhakar was also out. The latest score
is: India 156 for 5 with Amre at 75.
From: murali@charles.polymer.uakron.edu (Murali Cotah)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Dismissal in the first ball of the match
Keywords: Gavaskar out in the very first ball he faced ( he opened!) caught at gully by Shivnarayan( sp?)
 - shiv*** toured India under captaincy of Kallicharan - the non packer era of W.I.--
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:31:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov18.163123.25618
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron

CAn the collective Wisdo(e?)m confirm - with stats.
cotah
From: rgty_mrw@waikato.ac.nz (Mark Willcock)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: NZ in SL
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:22:01 +1300
Organization: Admin Systems - Registry

In article <1992Nov20.010224.26672@mel.dit.csiro.au>, amal@mel.dit.csiro.au 
(Amal De Silva) writes:

[...many sensible comments about the chances of a NZ player being hurt 
deleted..]

> Next  I would like to make another important point which nobody
> has mentioned so far. All the new zealand players will be probably know that this
> tour is going to be very difficult. NZ could not beat SL in NZ last time SL
> toured NZ. If my memory is correct SL always had the upperhand in the first 3
> days of both the tests. If NZ could not beat SL in NZ they must realize that it
> is going to be even more difficult in SL. The Australian side which is better
> than the NZ side also found it difficult. The prospect of being in the sweltering
> heat and high humidity for three days in a row would not be attractive for a
> person who is not used to it. I believe that this also a factor when some of the
> players decided to use the bomb to get out of the tour.
> 
> Amal de Silva
> 

Jeesh Amal get real. If they're scared of getting beat why'd they go in the
first place ??  It's not uncommon for NZ players to pull out of overseas trips
to such spots.

NZ cricket is not so used to winning.  In fact Crowe has said the teams are 
equal and it's a 50/50 series.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Mark Willcock  M.Willcock@waikato.ac.nz|"As the wise old saying has it, you can
University of Waikato                  |take a horse to the water, but you can't
Hamilton, New Zealand.                 |make it play Santa Claus."
"Disclaimer ? What'd I say ?"          |                        - Bertie Wooster
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: cobra@chopin.udel.edu (KING COBRA)
Subject: Re: century on debut
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:38:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.202417.17784@news.uakron.edu> murali@stretch.polymer.uakron.edu (Murali Cotah) writes:
>Keywords: 
>
>did azhar score century on debut -- ? could someone clarify for me please
>cotah


Yup. He sure did. I believe he scored a century in his first three test
matches against England in 84-85. 

Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

COBRA




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From: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Addition
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:28:57 GMT
Reply-To: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Nov23.170959.29489@hubcap.clemson.edu> svangav@eng.clemson.edu writes:
>	A small addition to the posted "artistic" cricket field positions.
>
>	That filed position is for "right-handed" batsman. Right......?
>


Yes indeed.  Judicious application of a mirror will yield the appropriate
positions for LH batsmen.  I leave it up to you how to read it then, though.
:-)
Paul
From: XSNAIK@FULLERTON.EDU (Sanjay Naik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: India's Batting Inconsistencies
Date: 15 Nov 1992 13:50:30 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Amre's century was the fifth consecutive test in which someone's scored a 
hundred for India. The problem is that almost always it comes from a different 
player and more importantly, that century is the only significant score in the 
innings.

Going back to the Oz tour, Shastri & SRT scored a double ton & ton respectively 
at Sydney. This was the last time we piled up a big score and it almost won us 
the game. In the following game, Azhar scored a hundred at Adelaide, followed 
by SRT's ton at Perth (a lone innings). Then Manjrekar got his ton (again a 
lone innings) in Zim and now Amre's face saving ton in SA. 

If two or three players could back up this one hundred with decent scores then 
our totals would carry more meat. But invariably, we're left with one player to 
do the rescuing whilst almost all the other front-line batsmen fail. It seems 
that all the front line batsmen take turns in having a good game once a series.

Bye,

Sanjay Naik.
From: B536HIND@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU (C. S. Sudarshana bhat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Out to the first ball of a Test match
Date: 18 Nov 1992 11:50:44 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Could someone with a Wisden and/or Wisdom please post all the instances
that this has happened?  I believe that Gavaskar has the world record
in this category as well (and Border/Miandad/Richards can't apply ;).
What about Holding's dismissal of Gavaskar off the first ball in the
1982-83 test at Sabina Park, O Spaceman at PennState?
From: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Chinese bowling: THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER
Date: 23 Nov 1992 00:16:56 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

In article <1992Nov22.160405.2371@walter.bellcore.com>, shamim@bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4711,,21273) writes:
>>In article 722278538@pico,  karnik@pico.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes:
>>In <1992Nov20.085627@is.morgan.com> andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad) writes:
>[I took the liberty of deleting both these articles
>Essentially Neeran agrees with my interpretation of the Chinaman and Andrew disagrees]
>
>There is an easy way to describe everything and be factual also (this may be 
>dangerous on RSC) and here it is. First let me set the stage and then I will present the evidence. 

< SAN's grippingly informative article deleted, but saved in my directory >

>Should I don my asbestos suit?  In any case, six
>months from now, someone will surely raise this topic again. Sigh.

Not to worry, SAN. As I said above, I have extracted the article and put it
away for safe-keeping. If anybody asks the question, all I have to do is mail
this copy to that person. 

It was a very well written and documented article. My hunch was right, because
of all the articles wherein this delivery was described, I saved your first
version!! :-) (Neeran, note the plastic surgery to my smiley's nose). :-)

>
>	--SAN
>

-Murali
From: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Cricket on TV
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:18:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bxx3v6.H86
Reply-To: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


        This is the information I got regarding the 'availabilty' of the
forthcoming cricket games on 'TV'

1. India v South Africa:

         It seems Time Warner Cable PPV is going to have all ODIs live. It
seems they have signed the deal. It should be available by PPV for the cable
system who get them. You may have to contact the local cable company and tell
them that this is available and ask them to get the games on cable. If I get
any more info on the names and telephone numbers of the persons at Time Warner,
I will post it.

2. The games in Australia:

         I called Jamaica Broadcasting Corporation last night and they told me
that the games will be shown there, possibly not live. If there are some
nettors with contacts in Trinidad, it will be useful to find that info. Last
time during the World Cup, the WI game feeds that we saw on a satellite channel
were for a pay-TV system in Trindad. It is possible that we can see them again
this year.

3.  India/Eng series:

        It seems the rights for the games are sold to Channel 9 in Australia
and also to BBC. If Channel 9 is going to show the games live, we should be
able to catch them on satellite.



Let us keep our fingers crossed.


K. Sankara Rao                          e-mail ksrao@power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu

Department of Electrical Engineering
North Dakota State University
Fargo, ND 58105  USA

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From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: WI v NSW (day 3) after lunch
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:49:54 GMT

NSW declared yesterday at 5/473 (M.Waugh 200*).

Today, WI all out 183 (Hooper 81*) - and following on, 1/41,
Simmonds 36*, Lara 3, Richardson 0* (extras 2).

kre
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From: rakesh@mame.mu.OZ.AU (Rakesh DESAI)
Subject: Brisbane Test Team Announced
Keywords: Australia, West Indies
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:25:24 GMT

Test team (12) for first test between Australia and West Indies was
announced today morning.  They are: (Not necessarily in the order with
comments my own :-})

Allan Border (captain)	- Good on Him
Mark Taylor (vice captain) - Obviously
David Boon	- Has  to open, I hope he doesn't go Moody's way
Dean Jones	- Whatever Lillee may say, but he is the best
Mark Waugh	- One 200 can make wonders
Steve Waugh	- You can't keep a good man down
Damien Martyn	- Good to see him
Greg Mathews	- Need to take more wickets to survive
Ian Healy	- Another Obviously
Craig McDermott - Let's see how Windies play "Coward"
Merv Hughes	- You can't keep out National Hero for long
Bruce Reid	- If he survives five day, Windies are in trouble

So from the last test team which played in Sri Lanka, there are four
changes.

Out goes
Tom Moody	- Unnecessarily promoted to opener and lost form
Tony Dodemaide	- Has always trouble to make team consistently
Mike Whitney	- Must have lost in toss of coin between Reid and him
Shane Warne	- Will be back in Sydney (I guess)


Test Match starts on this Friday, 27/Nov/92 at Gabba, Brisbane.

rakesh

ps Who will be 12th man?  With Border spinning so well, we don't need
Greg Mathews, I guess.
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From: shamim@bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4711,,21273)
Subject: Re: Durban test match: Finer points at Kingsme
Reply-To: shamim@bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown, NJ
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 02:51:06 GMT

In article 413@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu,  jcsheth@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:

>
>Richard Streeton writes in the London Times that at Kingsmead Durban on day 
>
>" The game was not held on Sunday as after the high Veldt's worst winds        
>  and rainstorms for two years turned the flawless pitch into a muddied 
>  morass overnight.
>
Seems to me that the old wags who maintained that cricket was a rain dance weren't 
all wet. It is not too late to use cricket to induce rain in drought stricken areas. 

---
	--SAN

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From: barnard@ford.ee.up.ac.za (Etienne Barnard)
Subject: Re: SA vs India (2nd Test)
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:23:08 GMT
Organization: University of Pretoria, South Africa

Sanjay.Naik@launchpad.unc.edu (Sanjay Naik) writes:

... lines deleted

>	I really don't think the Indians are going to have sleepless nights
>worrying about McMillan. He took three wickets in the first test which is
>almost as many as he took in an entire season, the last time I saw him play.

They may not have sleepless nights about him for a different reason:
McMillan seems to have hurt his back, and has not been bowling. On the
other hand, I think your implication about McMillan's abilities may be
mistaken -- he has developed substantially, and in full flight he is a
useful bowler these days. His main weapons are substantial lift and
inswing.  In the first test he had most of the batsmen (certainly
Amre) playing and missing on several occasions, and he also had a
couple of good l.b.w. appeals turned down. Certainly no Ambrose or
Waqar, neither (as a more relevant measure) a Kapil nor Prabhakar, but
useful in his own way.

>As for Donald, he's good but he's no Curtly Ambrose or the two W's from
>Pak.The trouble with Donald is that he's too erratic and more
>importantly, inconsistent.

I agree; however, it obviously too early to write him off for this
series. More interestingly, the medium-fast bowler Snell seems to be
recapturing his form; to my mind, he is the one South African bowler
who can occasionally produce a delivery which can dislodge even
top-class batsmen who have settled in.

>BTW, reality hit home a long time ago :-(

>Bye,

>Sanjay.
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