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From: pinostro@dcc.uchile.cl (Patricio Inostroza)
Subject: Re: Copmro Acuario!
Originator: pinostro@huemul
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 18:51:23 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion


In article <1992Nov5.154948.2923@tolten.puc.cl>, fsantos@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (Fernando Santos) writes:
>     
>Compro Acuario completo :
>   Que tenga filtro, arena o piedras, luz y aireador.
>
>
>                           Fernando Santos De La Fuente
>                                 Ingenieria Civil  PUC.

    Completo ?...Y los pescados ?...te interesan jureles ... ja ja ja.
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From: rfarias@lascar.puc.cl (Ruben Farias IIC)
Subject: WANTED: Fax-Modem para PC
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:05:56 GMT

Hola:

     En el articulo anterior se em olvido poner que tambien ando en
busca de una tarjeta Fax-Modem para PC.
     Si alguien sabe donde la puedo encontrar al precio mas conveniente
por favor digamelo.
     
     Gracias.

Ruben Farias
rfarias@lascar.puc.cl

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From: mca@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (Miguel Castillo Astaburuaga)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Mouse para PC
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:28:46 GMT

Creo que si consultas en el depto de computacion donde compraron los mouses
de la sala L.C., puedes encontrarlos baratos (son de tres botones y parece
que fueron comprados en Otto Kraus).

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     Miguel Angel Castillo Astaburuaga.  mca@ing.puc.cl
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From: mca@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (Miguel Castillo Astaburuaga)
Subject: Re: Pctools 8.0
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:14:41 GMT

mbassino (mbassino@malloco.Ing.puc.cl) wrote:
: 	Me acaba de llegar el pctools 8.0 , pero al instalarlo realiza...

Realmente lo compro?

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Miguel Angel Castillo Astaburuaga.  mca@ing.puc.cl

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From: mbassino@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (mbassino)
Subject: Re: Pctools 8.0
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
	
	Es original!!!!!!!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:34:00 GMT

 
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From: cal@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (Christian Alvarez L)
Subject: Re: Pctools 8.0
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:05:07 GMT

Mauricio Barria (mbarria@malloco.Ing.puc.cl) wrote:
: Miguel Castillo Astaburuaga (mca@malloco.Ing.puc.cl) wrote:
: : mbassino (mbassino@malloco.Ing.puc.cl) wrote:
: : : 	Me acaba de llegar el pctools 8.0 , pero al instalarlo realiza...
: : 
: : Realmente lo compro?
: : 
: 	Si no lo compro,.....entonces......LO PIRATEO!!!!!!!!!! :O 
: 
:  Lo mejor seria que el clarificara la situacion.
: 		Mauricio Barria Bahamondes.
: 		mbarria@malloco.ing.puc.cl

Existe la posibilidad de que se lo hayan regalado (??)

--

Miguel Angel Castillo Astaburuaga.  mca@ing.puc.cl

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From: mbassino@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (mbassino)
Subject: Pctools 8.0
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:04:30 GMT

	Me acaba de llegar el pctools 8.0 , pero al instalarlo realiza
modificaciones el el DOS y WINDOWS, que segun el manual, no hay seguridad
de que resulten bien, ademas que ocupa casi 6 megas en el disco duro.
	Mi pregunta es " Que ventajas concretas tiene esta version con
respecto a las anteriores? ", ya que estoy dudando en instalarlo en mi      
computador.

					mbassino@malloco.ing.puc.cl

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From: mbarria@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (Mauricio Barria)
Subject: Re: Pctools 8.0
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:34:41 GMT

Miguel Castillo Astaburuaga (mca@malloco.Ing.puc.cl) wrote:
: mbassino (mbassino@malloco.Ing.puc.cl) wrote:
: : 	Me acaba de llegar el pctools 8.0 , pero al instalarlo realiza...
: 
: Realmente lo compro?
: 
	Si no lo compro,.....entonces......LO PIRATEO!!!!!!!!!! :O 

 Lo mejor seria que el clarificara la situacion.
		Mauricio Barria Bahamondes.
		mbarria@malloco.ing.puc.cl
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From: rfarias@lascar.puc.cl (Ruben Farias IIC)
Subject: WANTED: Mouse para PC
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:55:21 GMT

Hola a todos:

     Estoy buscando el mouse mas barato del mercado, con disponibilidad
inmediata y de tres botones.
     Si alguien sabe algo o tiene alguno que quiera ver (nuevo),
agradecere el mandarme un E-mail.
     
     Gracias.

Ruben Farias
rfarias@lascar.puc.cl


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From: mbarria@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (Mauricio Barria)
Subject: Re: Pctools 8.0
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:40:01 GMT

Yo creo que debiste haber hecho la pregunta antes de comprarte el software!!!

:0 

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From: cal@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (Christian Alvarez L)
Subject: Re: gif-portada !
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: chile
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:11:28 GMT

Hola:

para poner un gif en tu estacion con xloadimage debes hacer:

xloadimage -fullscreen -onroot portada.gif

(en el caso de que se llame portada.gif). Tambien puedes a~adirle mas opciones,
por ejemplo si la imagen es muy oscura puedes arreglarlo con -gamma n
siendo n > 1 para aclarar (ej. -gamma 1.5). Si deseas iniciarlo cada vez que
entras a la maquina, despues de reconocer que es un xterm, colocas lo anterior
en background.

ej:

if [$TERM -eq xterm] then
   xloadimage -fullscreen -onroot portada.gif &
fi

--

Miguel Angel Castillo Astaburuaga.  mca@ing.puc.cl

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From: allanos@cecux1.cec.uchile.cl (Alonso Eugenio Llanos Araya)
Subject: gif-portada !
Originator: allanos@cecux1
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 22:51:21 GMT
Distribution: chile
Organization: Centro de Computacion, Universidad de Chile

 
 Hola : 
       Siempre he querido tener de portada en mi estacion un gif que me gusta
mucho (no es porno !)...alguien sabe como puedo dejarlo de fondo cada vez que
ingrese a Xwindows ?

 segun se' hay que hacer un xloadimage en el .xinitrc del gif que deseo..pero...
 moya!...(y un rsh obviamente)
 (ademas estoy aburrido de los screen ops "people","roscas","woman", ....
  el xphoon tambien me aburrio')

A quien me pueda ayudar ThanX !

-- 
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From: tbenavid@huemul.dcc.uchile.cl (Thomas Benavides A)
Subject: Re: gif-portada !
Originator: tbenavid@huemul
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:09:53 GMT
Distribution: chile
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion

allanos@cecux1.cec.uchile.cl (Alonso Eugenio Llanos Araya) writes:
> segun se' hay que hacer un xloadimage en el .xinitrc del gif que deseo..pero.

en tu .twmrc.x11 debes poner en un "menu" adecuado la linea:

"tawny"	! "xloadimage -onroot -fullscreen -brighten 110 /local/sparc/epavez/Gifs/tawny.gif &"

[ Notar que todo lo anterior es UNA SOLA LINEA ]
[ EL & es muy importante !!!!!!!!!! ]

saludos, Thom.
-- 
           Thomas Benavides                |La experiencia es lo que hace que
  Estudiante de Ing Civil en Computacion   |una persona cometa nuevos errores
Departamento de Ciencias de la Computacion |en vez de los viejos.
        tbenavid@dcc.uchile.cl             |                         -- Dawn.
From: john.schmerold@travel.com (John Schmerold) 
Newsgroups: stl.jobs
Subject: Construction Software
Date: 30 Oct 92 09:30:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: john.schmerold@travel.com (John Schmerold) 

Katy Computer Systems, a local, rapidly growing microcomputer VAR is 
actively looking for a full-time, enthusiastic construction software
sales & support representative.  We believe that a backround which includes
demonstrated ability to market, sell and support bussiness solutions
meets our criteria for employment.  The individual employed will have
unlimited ability to do well.  We have an excellent technical support 
organization.  The product we propose to provide to the St. Louis
marketplace is a well established, easy to use product which is priced
very reasonably.
Again to succeed the representative must:
        1.  Be positive
        2.  Be good with people
        3.  Care about people (we're in it for the long haul)
        4.  Know a little bit about computers (your'e not selling TC/IP
            gateway services to Washington University)
        5.  Desire to succeed
Connections in the Construction industry are a plus.
We don't have rigid quotas, however to earn a very good living this 
product requires one system sale per week.  Two sales per week, and
you'll earn substantially more than the president of the company.
  
Please forward responses to:
Katy Computer Systems, Inc.
538 Oaktree Crossing Ct
Ballwin, MO 63021
Thanks 
---
 . SLMR 2.0 . 
                                                                                                                               
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From: brandon@gauss.math.brown.edu (Joshua Brandon)
Subject: Re: Byzantine Flags, and Another Question
Organization: Brown University Mathematics Department
	<1992Nov12.143903.10269@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:40:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.092903.1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu> staub_jon@ccsua.ctstateu.edu writes:

   The flag mentioned is *not* the flag of the modern country of Albania
   unless it
   has a voided gold star above the eagles' heads.

   The flag with the cross between the for B-like things sound similar to a
   Serbian flag I've see. Stay in touch, I'll check it out and get back.
   Same for
   the flag of Byzantium. The best place to check out *any* flag information is
   the Flag Research Center in Winchester, Mass. Dr. Whitney Smith, the world's
   leading vexillologist, runs it.

   Joe

I'm *sure* that gold star must have been added after the Communists came to
power (hasn't it been taken out yet? :).  I believe the flag was the same
beforehand, otherwise.

			---Joshua Brandon
From: fletcher@saxon.UUCP (Edward F Eaglehouse)
Subject: Re: Computers in Heraldry
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: 8 Nov 92 11:13:58 EST
Organization: Auldhaefen Associates

I have seen several genealogical programs advertised in Byte or PC Magazine.
You can pick up these magazines at just about any newsstand or book store.
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: Fields of green (and blue, or gold and silver)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:27:59 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Jennifer Geard writes:

> It's been my understanding that when the field is divided into equal
> parts the parts are considered to be side-by-side rather than charged on
> top of each other, so they can be colour-and-metal, colour-and-colour, or
> metal-and- metal.  Fox-Davies says "... a field can be and often is barry
> of two colours or two metals..." and goes on to assert that there must,
> in modern heraldry, be equal numbers of pieces (p 120 of the 1978 reprint
> of the 1909 edn).
> 
> Does this form a general guideline?  Does it apply to lozengy and chequey 
> fields?  And if not, why not?

Let me break this down into three parts.

Medieval armory: Divided fields of two colors or two metals are not common
at any time, but they are not especially uncommon in medieval armory.  In
general, they are less common in England and France than elsewhere, but I
haven't seen any rigorous examination of the data so I can't say more than
what I've learned from my own casual observation.  Multiply divided fields
of two colors or metals are unusual, but some examples can be found in just
about any part of Europe.  The ones I can recall are barry, paly, etc.  I
do not recall examples of checky, lozengy, vairy, etc. of two colors or two
metals. 

The requirement that a barry (for example) use an even number of stripes is
modern: Medieval rolls show things like "barry of 9" quite frequently.  My
impression is that the exact number of stripes was not considered to be an
important identifying feature, and that it varied from one rendition of the
arms to another.

Modern armory: Depends on the country, of course.  My impression is that
British heraldry has gotten more strict about requiring good contrast
between the tinctures of a multiple division, and that they require
absolutely that striped fields use an even number of pieces.

SCA armory: If you are interested in the details of SCA heraldic practice
in these areas, please post a question to the heraldic mailing list,
scahrlds@pucc.princeton.edu. 

===========================================================================
Josh Mittleman (mittle@watson.ibm.com)
J2-C28 T.J. Watson Research Center, PO Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
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From: curt@meaddata.com (Curt Kohler)
Subject: Looking for.....
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:00:49 GMT
Distribution: usa

I hope someone in this group might be able to help me.

I am considering trying to give a Christmas present to a relative of a
"nice rendition suitable for display" of the family coat of arms. Does 
anyone have the address/phone number of any company/individual who 
does this type of work. (Preferably in Southwest Ohio but anywhere is
really ok)  I've seen "cheap" versions of this type of article in those 
little kiosks in the malls, but I'm looking for something nicer/bigger.

Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated.  Feel free to email
any replies unless you think that this is information that would be of
interest to this group as a whole.


-- 
Curt Kohler                                             (513) 865-1106   
Mead Data Central                              Packaging Systems - DAS
P.O. Box 933                                         curt@meaddata.com
Dayton, Ohio  45401                            ...!uunet!meaddata!curt
From: rancke@diku.dk (Hans Rancke-Madsen)
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Re: Fields of green (and blue, or gold and silver)
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:15:57 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:

>Modern heraldry is a game: You learn the rules and then you play by them.
>Medieval heraldry developed as a descriptive science, trying to describe
>what already existed.  Over the centuries, heralds gained enough of a lock
>on their field to enable them to force the facts to match their rules,
>instead of having to refine their rules to better describe the facts.

Exactly. Thus any discussion of the rules of heraldry will be skewed
towards the modern period. There may have been rules in medieval heraldry,
but they were just guidelines. There are examples in Danish medieval
heraldry of violations of nearly any rule you'd care to mention.



      Hans Rancke
University of Copenhagen
     rancke@diku.dk
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From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Re: Computers in Heraldry
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 13:51:59

 K> Are there any programs that trace family history (sort of like the ones
 K> you see in the mall) or is there a cd-rom of names available for the pc?

 There are plenty of software packages that will *keep track* of a family
 history and manipulate it in various ways, if you're researching one - in
 fact, there's an entire computer subculture working on genealogy, with
 e-mail conferences and special file formats for trading information.

 But I get the impression that you just want to be able to look up a family
 and find out what's known about it? Although there are numerous books
 devoted to just that, I don't know that any of them have been converted
 into electronic format (CD-ROM or otherwise). There may be people in the
 SCA attempting to put some of the standard name references (like Hanks &
 Hodges' *Dictionary of Surnames* or Reaney's *Dictionary of British
 Surnames* into electronic format, but I haven't heard of any.

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
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From: velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Velde Francois)
Subject: Byzantine heraldry (was Re: Byzantine Flags, and Another Question
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:53:37 GMT

>I've never seen a
>three-headed eagle in medieval heraldry, but that doesn't mean it doesn't
>exist. 

Two examples are depicted in Neubecker's heraldry. I was mistaken, however,
in thinking that those were "arms" of Charlemagne. In both cases, they 
originate in hopes formed in the 15th century of another Crusade led by
the German emperor, who would thus have become King of Jerusalem. Eager
heralds composed the arms of that glorious victor as a three-headed eagle
(Sable on Or).  Also, this 3-headed beast was used as the "arms" of the
Roman Empire (the original). In both cases, this is mythical heraldry. 
I doubt anyone would have dared take such arms for themselves.

On Byzantine heraldry:
I know nothing about it, and I would be pleased to see any information posted
here.  Here is what I found: the arms of a few Byzantine families, as
described in various sources (Woodward's a Treatise on Heraldry, Rietstap,
Jougla de Morenas, and pere Anselme).

Koressios: Sable, beneath an imperial crown proper, a two-headed eagle 
displayed Or, holding in each claw a sword paleways Argent.

Vatatzes: Vert, a two-headed eagle displayed Or, above each head an estoile
Argent.

Lascaris: Or, a two-headed eagle Sable armed Gules, beneath an Eastern
crown of 3 points of the last.

Comnene: Or, beneath an imperial crown proper, a two-headed eagle displayed 
Sable on a sword per pale Argent (the hilt Or).

Paleologue: Gules, a two-headed eagle displayed Or.

All arms use the double-headed eagle (it seems, by the way, that the Germans
adopted that charge as a conscious imitation of Byzantium in the 15th 
century: hitherto the arms had a single-headed eagle).  Also, note that
the last four families held the imperial throne at some point. There is
a variant for Lascaris, which is identical to Paleologue, and appears
quartered with Gules a chief Or in the arms of Lascaris de Vintimille
(a family in the South of France, a member of which married a Lascaris
in the 14th century).  A branch of the Paleologue family ruled over
Montferrat in Northern Italy, when the title passed to the Gonzaga family
(who quartered their arms with Paleologue); the latter died out in the 
early 18th century. As for the Comnene, they were still living in 
Corsica at the time of the French Revolution.

when did these families adopt arms (before or after leaving the East)
is an open question for me.  I did not see any trace of indigenous 
Byzantine heraldry (although I would readily believe that the Francs
brought it with them in the 1204-1261 period when they ruled Byzantium).

-- 

	Francois Velde

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From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez)
Subject: Re: Byzantine Flags, and Another Question
Organization: National Association for the Disorganized
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:43:27 GMT

In article <BRANDON.92Nov12143335@gauss.math.brown.edu> brandon@gauss.math.brown.edu (Joshua Brandon) writes:

>The eagle sable, possibly double-headed, I've often seen attributed in
>origin to the Holy Roman Empire, which used Or, an eagle sable.  A number
>of central and eastern European countries use the motif (Prussia, Russia,
>Austria, among others.)

  I believe that the two-headed eagle is a symbol associated with the original
Roman Empire, and that it was adopted by many nations that claimed to have
"imperial" status.  Prussia and Austria were both originally part of the Holy
Roman Empire, and Russia's tsars (Caesars) took the name because the last
survivor of the Byzantine imperial family married the first of the tsar.
  The Byzantine Empire considered itself (correctly) to be the true inheritor
of Roman imperial power right up until 1453.

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