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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 00:02:00 +0200
From: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de (Rudi Ferrari)
Subject: patch for os/2 fails
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
X-Comment-To: ejohnson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Eric R. Johnson)
Organization: Magic Point of C.O.N. Project Cologne  *FRG* 


 > and through the old messages here, with no luck.  I'm ready to drop geos
 > any-
 > way, because I've never seen a company more bent on crippling a good
 > product
 > with poor support (except for ibm ;-).

Well I do NOT aggree with that!!!!!
1. The patch (I suppose you talk about the patch-information of Marcus
Groeber) does not come from Geoworks themself, but is found by trail
and error (and some good piece of background information, almost found
out by Marcus himself). Therefore it is possible, that there will some
trouble on other versions (yep, because we use in fact a german version,
but as far as I know, it has been succesfully tested on US versions too)

2. I can`t help you at this moment, because I didn`t install OS/2 yet.
(Has somebody some time for me ;-))

3. I really cann`t aggree with the "poor" support, you talk about. Until
now, folks at Geoworks always my questions I asked them. Ofcource relating
to their products, and not about some patches somebody outside has found
out.

no offence meant

bye
      ____
Lambo/Rudi                     >>> internet: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de <<<
~~~~~

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: patch for os/2 fails
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:46:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.220618.18208@ennews.eas.asu.edu> ejohnson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Eric R. Johnson) writes:
>Just got off the phone with pcgeos tech support, and they want nothing to do
>with helping with this, so here goes:

GeoWorks did *NOT* write that patch kit.  So why (and more importantly how)
should they be held responsible for making it work?

>I'm ready to drop geos anyway, because I've never seen a company more bent
>on crippling a good product with poor support (except for ibm ;-).

Please explain your reasoning.  The only thing that I would consider as
being bad support is making people wait excessively for a support person
(e.g. Doug's report of awhile back) (for which I've personally had a good
number of conversations with technical support on how they're going to fix
that and improve other things :-).  All of the other comments that *I've*
heard about support have been very positive.


Regarding the patch kit...  I've not looked at it so I can't say for sure,
but my impression is that it searches for certain bytes in the kernel and
is patching in replacement code that OS/2 likes better.  Since those
particular byte sequences aren't necessarily the same across builds of the
kernel, the patches thus don't seem to be too generally applicable.

Thanks,
	John D. Mitchell
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	I speak for myself.  GeoWorks speaks for itself and I would
	certainly never speak for the University (even if they paid me
	too :-).
From: jeff@eng.umd.edu (Jeffrey Frey)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Is Launchmaker useful for anything?
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:41:22 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

Well I finally translated the "instructions" for launchmaker into
English and now I have a GEOS aphere-inside-diamond icon that says
"WordStr" underneath, in GeoManager, and also a WordStar line in the
GeoManager Pulldown.

So what does this save me over going into the DOS programs box in
Welcome, and hitting the WordStar icon that I had defined there?  In
both cases GEOS shuts down and boots up WordStar through DOS; when I
exit WordStar I still get the "Press Return to Enter GEOS" prompt.

In short, other than saving me going to the DOS programs screen rather
than GeoManager, does LaunchMaker do anything useful?

Jeff
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Good source of 2-color backgrounds.
Summary: Lotsa neat stuff.
Keywords: FTP
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:51:41 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

For people who want some good 2-color [black/color] bitmaps for backgrounds,
check out the FTP site at nic.funet.fi, in the subdirectory
/pub/pics/gif/pics/2col-backdrops.  The files there are in GIF format, but
you don't have to worry about dithering them or color-palettes.  Just convert
'em to PCX or TIFF and import 'em.  

NB: Some of them are large [1152x900 or bigger] bitmaps geared toward use on
Sun workstations.  If you have a good image-munging program that lets you
crop images, this shouldn't be a problem.  Sometimes you can even get two good
640x480 backgrounds out of one larger image, without a lot of overlap.

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
From: rstahl@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Richard Stahl)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:20:15 GMT
Subject: GEOS Future
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos

I was wondering if anyone new the future plans for GEOS.  Will it ever 
evolve into a full multitasking OS; thus, taking advantage of the newer, faster
processors (386,486, etc.).

Thanks,

Richard Stahl
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 20:42:00 +0200
From: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de (Rudi Ferrari)
Subject: Additional files I just uploaded (not tested)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
X-Comment-To: (Anthony Yen)
Organization: Magic Point of C.O.N. Project Cologne  *FRG* 

 > Since all this information does not appear to be covered under
 > non-disclosure, I was wondering if anyone has already started a
 > mailing list for future GW developers; I'd like to participate in a
 > forum that discusses and hashes out technical details before the SDK
 > is released.  This is a great opportunity: it's as if you were given
 > betas of Inside Macintosh and docs for a MacApp-like development
 > environment before the 128K was released.  I expect the ramp-up time
 > before any real development can commence will be similar.

Well, I do have those manuals too :-), and would be interessted to
participate too that list (even not knowing, how this will function,
remember, I "come from another net (fidonet)" and I am connected to
this area via a gateway :-)

What I would like to see are some more examples of programs for Geos.
(f.e. Tetris, Screendump or so). That would be easier to understand
the completeness. :-) But probably we have to wait for that...

bye
      ____
Lambo/Rudi
~~~~~

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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Launchmaker problems... solved.
Keywords: Works, now. :)
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:03:27 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

tgc54@cas.org writes:

>Glad you've solved your problem.  I also agree with you that it would be nice
>to return to GeoWorks automatically without being asked.  Launchers are great;
>I hated having to go to the DOS screen, back to the opening screen, then to
>the World screen, then back to the DOS screen, etc., etc., etc.

Well, actually, if you want to just drop to a program and then be shunted
right back into GEOS, you have - and have always had - the option of just
double-clicking on the executable file in GeoManager.  It's just that this
method doesn't let you give it a nice, case-sensitive Geos filename. 
[Ooh ah!] ;)  I think you can even set it [in geos.ini, under the section
for dosParameters or some such] to ask for command-line parameters when it
drops out.

Of course, if you do it that way, you have to actually keep GeoManager 
active.  With the Zmodem launcher, I can express-menu it, with only GeoComm
active.  This is very nice.

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: edy@andersen.com (Edy Liongosari)
Subject: Geoworks over a Network
Organization: Andersen Consulting
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:26:10 GMT


Please send me the answer too.
Thanks.



> I have currently purchaced a copy of Geoworks Pro for my office and I was
> wondering if Geoworks can be used over a network using only one copy??
>
> I am currently using Lantastic NOS v4.0.  It works ok with one terminal,
> but I wish to use one copy for all terminals is this possible??
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> 		Brendan Lambourne.
>
> e-mail:  blambour@alsvid.une.edu.au


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Center for Strategic Technology Research            Phone: (312) 507-8482
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: mamason@portroyal.usa (Mason)
Subject: Re: File transfer from UNIX systems using sb, sz, or sx
Organization: /home/users/mamason/.organization
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:50:12 GMT




   One of the major reasons I got geos was to
   do file downloading in the background.  I
   was used to using the mskerm package, and
   I'd type "kermit -p e -i -s filename", and
   presto (though very slowly), the file would
   appear on my hard disk (after I issued a
   receive command at home). The above says
   parity even, binary transfer, send as the
   parameters to the kermit command.

   Has anyone used the s{b,x,z} command under
   UNIX on DecStations or Sparcs to transfer
   files from those stations to machine at
   home?  I read the man page, and spent
   several hours tyring paramaters, and I
   never got the two sides to talk to each
   other.  I'd issue some form of the sb, sx,
   or sz command, tell geos to expect a file, 
   and then the geos (Geoworks Pro, if that make
   any difference) would time out, never having
   been contacted.


   Does anyone have any experience with this
   command?

   Mike

   wagner@cs.unc.edu



You want to use sx -bk (unambigous file name) for 1K blocks, binary
file transfers. Set Geocomm to receive binary files, using CRC. Note
that you can only send one file at a time. Use the -a switch for text
transfers, and forgo the k switch (for 1024 byte blocks) in noisy line
situations to get 128 byte blocks, and a nice slow kermit-like tranfer
rate.


--
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|Technical Assistant	| Burlington Road          |
|UNIX Systems		| Bedford, Massachusetts   |
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From: slsunder@csemail.cropsci.ncsu.edu (Shay Sunderland)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: A personal request
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:30:23 GMT
Organization: Crop Science Dept., NCSU, Raleigh, NC 27695-7620

Greetings,

  This is a little bit of an odd request, and maybe not the proper place
for it but this is the news group I frequent so I'll put it here.  I
have a 8 year old niece that is in the third grade.  Her class is trying
to learn geography by receiving postcards from various places around the
country and world.  If you have a postcard and could drop it in the mail
to:

Alicia Ostrander
Rt. 1 Box 715A
Collinsville, OK  74021

you will have a very happy little girl on the receiving end.  It will also
help some third graders learn a little more about locations in the USA and
the world.

   Well, that is my odd personal request.  I don't have a proble putting
it on the net because it does deal with the education of our youth.  Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Shay Sunderland


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

:::::::::::::: Shay Sunderland: slsunder@csemail.cropsci.ncsu.edu ::::::::::::::
                     I speak for myself and nobody else!!

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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Launchmaker problems... solved.
Summary: Pesky return-to-geos prompt.
Keywords: Works, now. :)
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:52:50 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest


	Well, I blipped off and snagged a batch-to-executable program
[wuarchive.wustl.edu, /mirrors/msdos/batutl/bat2ex15.zip] and ran my
zdload.bat through it, getting zdload.com out.  Remade the launcher, and
it works flawlessly.  [yippee!]

	The only thing I'd like to see that it doesn't do is an option
when you're making the launcher, something along the lines of:

Prompt before returning to GEOS? (y/n) _

	In the case of a Zmodem transfer, I can't really think of a situation
where I'd want to drop out to DOS instead of popping back into GeoComm  [Of
course, I've got VPIC and Unzip on the dosAssociations list, and Notepad and
GeoWrite can handle text].

	In other cases, I could see the prompt at the end being pretty useful.
Just not really in this case.  [Yeah, I want to go ride my bike or something
while it downloads, and come back to my GEOS screen. ;)]

	-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 23:37:00 +0200
From: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de (Rudi Ferrari)
Subject: Yay!  I got the "goodies" disk from Rudi!
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
X-Comment-To: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Organization: Magic Point of C.O.N. Project Cologne  *FRG* 


 > Everything Rudi's sent is in ARJ format, and he's asked me not to
 > re-package at least two of the files.  I guess that means I can
 > re-archive the others into the ZIP format that Simtel20 seems to
 > prefer.  (Is that OK, Rudi?)

We like to use ARJ instead of PKZIP.
(The reason for me for ARJ was, because PKZIP seems to be unclear
at this moment with there new version, which has already been
"trojan horsed"...

From the 1 July on, I will always use a security envelope for my
archives, but it will be the ARJ - Archiver. So, everybody can be
sure to have originals. I hope this don`t mind at all.

Ok, I could make them selfextracted, but that means about 15Kb more
to the archive, for not loosing the security. Do you think, FTP users
don`t mind for more downloading bytes?

I can only ask, not to rearchive the programs of mine, for the others
(as far as I remember, they do not have any security envelope) I can`t
speak, but I think, it will be OK.

 > I think we owe Rudi a round of thanks for mailing this package at his
 > own expense.  (How much does it cost to send a 3-1/2" disk from
 > Cologne (Koln) to Columbus, anyway? :-)

aproximataly 8$ :-)
But, that`s alright, so more people can get our programs :-)

And... don`t forget to support CardWare ;-))))

See `ya, and again, thanx Doug for your time to put them on "FTP"


      ____
Lambo/Rudi                     >>> internet: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de <<<
~~~~~

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From: gnd@idaho.amdahl.com (Greg Darnell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Launchmaker explanation requested
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:39:54 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp., Rexburg, ID

In article <1992Sep3.175647.5360@mlb.semi.harris.com>, chuck@melmac.Harris-ATD.com (Chuck Musciano) writes:
> 
>      Now that I have Launch Maker working, how do I     
>      *	Get rid of the annoying "press return to return to Geos" message?     
>      *	Expand the path to the executable to more than just 24 characters?
> 
Let me try to explain Launcher Maker given my limited understanding of
what I have seen and read (of course, I may be totally wrong).
I believe that the original launchers were supplied by GeoWorks in 
specific OEM versions; specific launchers for specific programs.
Someone figured out enough of one of the launcher file formats to make
it work for other DOS executables and other icons; in fact, before
the launcher maker program, the way to make your own launcher was to 
use a hex editor on an existing launcher.  As I recall, you just 
replaced the icon name and number and the DOS executable path with the
ones you wanted to use.  

My guess as to the reason behind the 24-character path is that whatever
executable the original launcher pointed to had a 24-char name.
My guess on the "press return" message is that there is some sort of
GEOS system call at the end of the launcher that does that, or that the
GEOS call that runs the DOS program does that at the end; if you look
at the launcher files, that string is not found there.  This means that
until someone gets the SDK to figure out what the internals of the 
launchers are, you're stuck with it.

And in answer to another recent question, the sole purpose of a launcher
is to enable running a DOS program from GEOManager with its own cute
icon and no need to relocate the executable.  If you'd rather shut down
the advanced workspace and go to the DOS programs area, launchers and
Launcher Maker aren't for you.

Greg
-- 
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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GeoComm VT100?
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:37:07 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

U51773@uicvm.uic.edu (tom mckibben 2) writes:

>... type unknown messages you are probably getting. But note, I've not
>been able to use the EVE editor using GeoComm even with this fix. If anyone
>out there has a list of all of the esc sequences understood by a vt100 terminal
>then please post them.

This is, unfortunately, a problem that's been known about for a while, and
there's not a good solution for it on Vaxen [though on Unix boxes, it can, in
theory, be solved by taking out a VT100 function from the termcap file.]

In a GeoComm termcap, each line ends with a semicolon (;).
There's a VT100 command, "resize scroll window" or some such, which has a 
semicolon (;) in the _middle_, and therefore can't be properly represented in
a GeoComm termcap file.  [Oops! ;)]

This command tends to be a popular one with EVE, naturally.

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: Launchmaker/Zmodem problem
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:08:40 GMT

In article <Aug.27.23.52.37.1992.25626@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>path: \zdload\zdload.bat
                      ^^^ 

This might be your problem, Shag.  I think I read somewhere that the
launcher maker can't handle batch files.  You might try a batch file
compiler like BAT2COM (err, I think that's the name :-).  LM hung the
system for me when I tried to run a batch file completely unrelated to
Zmodem.
-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: PC/GEOS FAQ List part 3/3 -- Updates to the FAQ
Followup-To: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Summary: PC/GEOS is a GUI (Graphical User Interface) developed by
         GeoWorks.  It runs on top of MS (or DR) DOS and provides
         a multitasking, multithreaded environment for any DOS
         machine with at least 512k of RAM and a hard disk.
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:09:52 GMT

Archive-name: pcgeos-faq/part3
Last-modified: modified September 1, 1992

As you may have noticed, I divided the FAQ list into three parts --
general questions, developers' Q & A, and this article, an updates
list.  The general questions are the same ones I've been posting all
along.  The developers' Q & A contains the GeoWorks developers letter
that's been in the FAQ for a while plus the questions and answers
posted by John Mitchell a few weeks ago.

I have also begun cross-posting the FAQ to news.answers.  Among other
things, this will ensure that it will be archived at a wide variety of
sites, including the main news.answers archive site,
pit-manager.mit.edu in the /pub/usenet/news.answers directory (look
for the archive name pcgeos-faq).  For this reason, I will cease
uploading each new version of the FAQ to mir.eco.utexas.edu.
-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: besler@geop.ubc.ca (Steve Besler)
Subject: WARNING about AOL
Reply-To: besler@geop.ubc.ca
Organization: Geophysics & Astronomy, U.B.C. Vancouver, Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:56:21 GMT

	For all you Canadians out there that want to call AOL, be advised
that they will charge you an unbelievable 20 cents (American) per minute.
This fact is not exactly spelled out, in fact I ended up paying an incredible
C$68 for my "free" trial time (and i didn't even use up all three hours!!)
Apparently it is actually cheaper to phone an access number in the states and
just pay normal long distance fees.  I wish I had known this before I connected
for my "free" trial time...

Steven Besler
besler@geop.ubc.ca
(from Vancouver, BC)

PS.  Anybody have any ideas on how to get my money back?  I doubt it....
     Suggestions or sympathy email messages happily accepted.
     Did this happen to anybody else? or am I the only moron who did this?

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: List of files I've uploaded so far
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:36:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.123302.8188@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> doug-taylor+@osu.edu writes:
>I also looked at the file GEOANAL2.ARJ, from Marcus Groeber.  It
>seems to contain some info on GEOS file layouts, including some C
>source, but it's in German.  My German is pretty rusty; anybody
willing to undertake a translation?

(I guess I cut off the last line of my post.  Oops! :-)


-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
From: amado.aguilar@cutting.hou.tx.us (Amado Aguilar) 
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: GEO USERS AT UH
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:54:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: amado.aguilar@cutting.hou.tx.us (Amado Aguilar) 

Does anyone at UH have the lancher program I can copy if so leave e-mail
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Printing in Pro
From: m89jbfo@mtek.chalmers.se (Jonas B Forssell)
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:39:39 GMT

About the lines, showing up in high quality mode..

> So, the question.  Has anybody else seen this, have a fix/work around?  I
> would appreciate any pointers, as I really like that high quality mode!
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> john.

Well John, I'm glad you brought it up.

I am experiencing the same problem myself, using my 9-pin Panasonic.

Unfortunately, I cannot give you a fix. I have settled in with medium mode.

Hope someone have a good tip. I'm intrested too.

/Jonas B Forssell, Chalmers University, Sweden