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From: goldis@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Al Goldis)
Subject: Re: Anyone do their own C41 developing?
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:24:47 GMT

In <PHR.92Dec27015244@napa.telebit.com> phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:
>How difficult is it compared with black and white developing?  Is it
>very sensitive to temperature variation during processing, precise
>chemical concentration and development timing, impurities, etc.?  Are

About the same as B&W, I'd say--except the temperatures are higher.

>the chemicals especially toxic compared to black-and-white chemicals?

Somewhat more toxic than run-of-the-mill B&W.  In particular, one of
the elements of the developer is nasty.  Good ventilation when mixing
is advised, but after the nasty part is mixed/dilluted it's not so
bad.

However, it's probably not as toxic as some of the non run-of-the-mill
B&W processes (Pyro).

>I do my own fast-and-sloppy B&W film development with
>usually-acceptable results, but find it an unpleasant chore compared
>with printing.  I'm wondering whether I could also do my own C41
>without really hating it.

There's one way to find out :-)  You'll probably hate it about as much
as you hate B&W.  The processing time for C-41 (with the Unicolor K2
kit) is actually a little less than for B&W Tmax film.

>Also, how much $$$ do I have to spend to get started?  I don't
>care much about the cost per roll for chemicals but wonder what
>I need besides my s/s tank and reels and and cheap thermometer.

All you need beyond what you already have is some sort of temperature
control.  That could be anything from filling your sink with 100
degree water to purchasing a Junko--oops, I mean Jobo--processor. ;-)

The only question is whether you want to spend the time.  If you
process a lot of film I would estimate chemistry to cost about $1 per
roll.  If you don't do a lot of film and have to throw out more
chemistry, well...

Considering Wal-Mart will do develop-only for $1.76/roll plus tax and
at least *my* local store does a very good job, economics doesn't seem
like a good reason for doing it yourself--particularly if you hate
doing it.
--
Al Goldis           alan-goldis@uiowa.edu
"Pictures are moments truth, touched by light, that show character."
                          --Annie Griffiths-Belt
From: tonya@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Tony Arnerich)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:14:54 GMT
Subject: Re: How do they know?
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.photo

fjcppr@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

> In the most recent Del's ad in Shutterbug, Tony "who knows Leica" says
> that you can stand on a Leica without damaging it. Should I believe
> that Tony or someone he knows has actually done that?

More importantly, will Del's offer your money back on any Leica that
fails this test?  :-)  Their ad copy is the implied warranty - Lawsuit, Ho!

>                                                       Has anyone
> out there in Rec.photo every stood on any camera? If so, please 
> include your weight in your reply. Also, did you stand on the camera
> with its bottom or its back to the ground? 

An *ex*-girlfriend of mine once sat on my Nikon F3 - she needed a place
to relax at the airport & my duffle must have looked inviting to her. No
damage functionally, but the top cover on the F3HP viewfinder is just thin
sheet metal, and it conformed more closely to the prism. She's about
"average" weight, and both the camera's bottom and hers were aimed at
the ground.

(Not that anyone asked, but I ended up marrying a woman who is infinitely
more respectful of my photo toys).  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: duli@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Li Du)
Subject: Nikon lenses for sale
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 02:51:39 GMT

Nikkor 28/2.8 AI-s  	$150    	(10)
Nikkor 35/2.5E AI-s	$ 65		(9.5)
Nikkor 35/2   AF	$150		(10)
Nikkor 55/2.5 AI-s	$150 		(10)
Nikkor 50/1.4 AI-s	$125 **		(10)
Nikkor 85/2   AI	$150 		(9.5)
Nikkor 135/2  AI-s	$400		(10)
Nikkor 200/4  AI-s	$150		(10)

All the lenses are in mint or near mint conditions, with boxes and cards,
except 50/1.4 and 35/2.5E. Buyer pays shipping. Please response through 
E-mail or call me at 303-786-1847(home) for details.

---------------------------------
 Du Li | duli@prony.colorado.edu
---------------------------------
From: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Subject: Re: HELP: history of Nikkormat FS (not FTn, FT, EL, etc)
Originator: daveb@lotus
In-reply-to: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
Reply-To: daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:11:30 GMT

In <1992Dec23.013430.15896@panix.com>, mls@panix (Michael Siemon) writes:

> I *loved* my little FT!

"Little" belongs to bodies like the OM system, early Pentax ME/K, Fuji
701/801, Leica M, etc.

There's no way I'd ever call a Nikkormat "little".  "Brick-like"
maybe.  The only things noticably heavier in their time were Nikon Fs,
Canon F1s, and Topcons, which deserve "Cinderblock-like".  Only now in
the AF days of many motors and AA cells in everything does a Nikkormat
seem even medium sized.

Whenever I decide which AF wind to follow (Brand C or Brand N), I'm
going to keep my OM system-- There will be times when I'm not feeling
strong enough to carry the technical advances of the industrial world!

cheers,
-dB


-- 
Windows/NT - the VMS of the 90s
From: mlindholm@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: HELP: history of Nikkormat FS (not FTn, FT, EL, etc)
Date: 21 Dec 92 12:13:07 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Dec19.214151.13853@colorado.edu>, duli@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Li Du) writes:
> In article <1992Dec18.04534726> ychen@hubcap.clemson.edu (Eric Chen) writes:
>>Recently, I got a chance to collect two near mint condition Nikkormat FS
>>(both made in 1974).  I have check over some literature but can not
>>found anything about this model. [ ...... ]
>>Is the model rare or prominent?  How much should I price?
>>
> 	Nikkormat FS is the simplified version of Nikkormat FT. It's FT
> minus exposure meter and mirror lock-up. So an FS should worth less than
> an FT, I'd say 20% less. Nikkormat FS was introduced in 1965, and was only
> produced for about six years. It was not a popular camera, any other cameras
> in the Nikkormat line were superior. It may be rare, but it is definitely 
> not a collector's item.
> 
> ---------------------------------
>  Li Du | duli@prony.colorado.edu
> ---------------------------------

Which was the best camera in the Nikkormat series?

mikko lindholm
mlindholm@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Subject: Re: Tony Stone Worldwide US Address
Summary: here it is
Keywords: Tony Stone Worldwide
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:00:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.110102.3668@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, shiu@cae.wisc.edu (Shiu Wong) writes:
> Hi there,
> 
> If anyone knows the address/1-800 number of Tony Stone Worldwide 
> US office please do tell me.  Thanks in advance.
> 
> email: shiu@cae.wisc.edu


You asked for it; you got it:

Tony Stone Worldwide/Click Chicago Ltd.
233 East Ontario, Suite 1100
Chicago, IL  60611

312-787-7880; fax 312-787-8798

Contact person:  Barbara Smetzer, Picture Agent

(Information from 1992/93 ASPP directory)
(No 800 number given)

-- 
"My other computers are Nikon N8008s and an SB25." -- Ernest H. Robl
Ernest H. Robl (ehr@ecsvax)  Durham, NC, USA   +1  919   286-3845
                                         FAX:  +1  919   286-1696
This .signature meets plate C specifications (for rec.railroad fans)
From: thomas@Informatik.Mathematik.Uni-Mainz.DE (Thomas Schueler)
Subject: Re: Which old Pentax S/M models ?
Organization: Computer Science, Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 12:43:12 GMT


The last bodies with S/M mount produced by Pentax were the Spotmatics (some
slightly different models).They are very reliable and robust, being one of the 
"professional" cameras in their time.
At least the later models are equipped with TTL light meter and
hot shoe, but I cant remember a AE mode. 
Since the Spotmatics seem to become collector items, you wont loose much money if you buy
one now and sell it a year later. Prices here in Germany vary from 120 to 200US$ for a
used body in good condition.
Another altertnative would be a newer Pentax body with K,KA or KF bajonet (in other
words: every Pentax model from ME, MX to LX and Z-1) and a S/M->K adaptor. 
The adaptor is available from Pentax and not very expensive (15 or 20 US$). 
SInce it is a small mechanical adaptor without optical elements, it doesnt change 
the focal length of the lensesand you dont loose f-stops or get additional distortion.
If you want to upgrade your lenses in the future its maybe a good idea to get a newer
model wich fits your needs exactly.

Greetings
thomas
From: daved@hplsla.hp.com (Dave Dintenfass)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:54:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Medium format questions
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.photo

Let me second the suggestion of a monopod.  For really sharp results 
with the TLR, a monopod is essential and surprisingly easy to handle.
A good monopod, without the head, is the natural companion to my
Mamiya C3.  Just crank up the monopod to waist level and keep it
on the camera -- you'll find yourself hoisting the camera between
shots with the monopod as a handle.  It's great.

IMHO, get a good monopod.  I like the heavier Gitzo.  And take off
the strap; it only gets in the way.  If the monopod is too light,
you won't feel very secure hoisting a heavy TLR like the Mamiya.

Welcome to the Mamiya TLR family.  It's a great camera and very
flexible.  The 55mm wide-angle is considered one of the better
lenses for this rig.  I've had good luck with mine.  And the other
posters aren't kidding about optimum peformance with most of the
other lenses at only a few apertures; in particular, the 80mm
is pretty soft wider than f/11 or so.  I shot some informal wedding photos
last year and it was even softer than necessary for this application.

Oh yes, someone asked about the Paramender.  It's a little gadget 
that goes between the camera and the tripod.  You compose the picture
and then raise the camera with this thing to avoid parallax.

Dave D.
From: Harald.Brandt@eua.ericsson.se (Harald Brandt)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: More on Lithium
Date: 30 Dec 92 12:42:24 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Utvecklings AB, Sweden

There are many types of Lithium batteries, the most common one is MnO2 
(Mangan dioxide). This has a very linear discharge characterisitic all the 
way from 3V down down to about 1V per cell. Other types such as Li-SO2 or 
(CV)x have a flat characteristic and a sharp drop at the end. As far as I 
know, all 2CR5 packages are 1300 mAh Li-MnO2. so if a camera claims 
battery is out at about 5V, it means that most of the capacity is still 
left. So I now want to ask you: Do you have any experience of using the 
battery all the way to the bitter end? (i.e until the camera no longer 
works).

The reason I ask is that my newly bought EOS 5 claims battery is empty 
after only one roll!!  although I admit that I played a lot before even 
loading any film, and I played a lot during the roll, but not much flash. 
After having replaced with a new one, I measured the old: resting unloaded 
voltage is 5.6V, loading with 650 mA dropped voltage to about 4 volts for 
about 5-10 seconds, "short-circuit" with an Amp-meter gave about 3A after 
which it fairly quickly recovered to about 5.2 V unloaded. So the battery 
was far from being empty. Moreover, the new battery showed half full 
battery just after a few pictures were taken, but soon recovered to show 
full battery!

I called Canon, and they said that the EOS 5 is set higher than other EOS 
concering battery alarm, and he did not understand why it was set so high. 
He said factory setting is: half battery symbol warning at 5.4V, empty 
symbol at 5.0 V, blinking symbol at 4.6 volts, and he said that the camera 
stops working at about 4 volts, but as long as it works, exposures should 
be correct. He claimed that they can make adjustment for free in the 
camera if I have warranty left. Suggested adjustment is about a half volt 
down.

/Harald


PS: Several companies are working on new improved Li cells and accumulators,
but I have no info on what kind of discharge characteristic they are 
expected to have.
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: diamond@jit533.jit.dec.com (Norman Diamond)
Subject: Re: Canon 10s Vs Nikon N90, Which one?
Reply-To: diamond@jit.dec.com (Norman Diamond)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Japan , Tokyo
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 06:57:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.205338.11007@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih) writes:
>1. SB-25 FLASH:  1.1) FP sync?
>In the F-90 brochure, it shows the LCD display as "[M][FP]".  The
>accompanying paragraph finishes with "You choose from two levels of
>flash output.".  I cannot help but think that FP sync is only available
>in MANUAL MODE!
>SO!  Someone please, please, please tell me that it works with TTL!

How can it possibly do so?  Sure you could integrate over all the light
received TTL, as the slit in the shutter exposes part of the film.  Do you
then want to quench the flash and expose the rest of the film without flash?

>1.2) Red Eye reduction?  You shouldn't need it for a bounce unit.  I'd like
>to hear how useful it really is.

You don't need it in bounce mode.  However, the head does fold down far enough
to allow non-bounce usage too.  (Oh, yeah! :-)

>2. SHARP ELECTRONIC ORGANIZER:  Looks like a neat gizmo for unattended
>shooting.  But would *you* leave an N90 lying around?

That depends.  It wouldn't be wise to leave it lying around my apartment
(from which a burglar stole 100,000 yen) but it might be safe in a lab
recording experiments or something.

>2.3) An electronic instruction manual?  Is the F-90 *that* complicated?

Is the "rn" command *that* complicated?  I occasionally refer to an electronic
instruction manual for it.

>2.5) Flash Bracketing?
>How hard is to to fiddle with the exposure compensation controls?

Not hard, if the ambient light is bright enough that you didn't need the
flash in the first place, or if your subjects will sit still long enough
for you to fiddle manually.  OK, tell your retailer that you offer C$1 less
because you don't want auto bracketing and you promise never to use it.

>If your camera can't AF, what's the *@$^%! use of an electronic rangefinder?

You mean, as opposed to a split screen and microprisms?  I agree with your
next comment, but the electronic rangefinder is still nice too if it's hard
to keep half of a split screen from going black, or if your eyes are tearing
due to -30 degree weather, etc.

>What you want is a *real* focusing screen with a split prism or microprism

Yup.  I wonder where the third-party screens are for F-801s too.

>"Practical Photography" finds the SB-25 performance "disappointing"
>because of "noticable darkening of the image at the edges" [...]

Are they sure that's because of the flash rather than the lens?
(Cynical but at least sometimes true comment here.)
--
Norman Diamond      diamond@jit.dec-j.co.jp      diamond@jit.dec.com
If this were the company's opinion, I wouldn't be allowed to post it.
Pardon me?  Or do I have to commit a crime first?
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Flash Coverage for Minolta 3200xi
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:36:03 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

I just bought a Minolta 3200xi flash for my 7000i.  Now I want to
get a wide angle lens.  The flash covers up to 28 mm but I would 
like to get a 24mm lens. Is there any way to make up the difference
with the flash unit?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Gerry Palo(73237.2006@compuserve.com)
From: dtalmage@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Query: Books on Photo composition
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:03:09 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <92365.205316LENBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, Spartacus/CUNY LC NY <LENBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> In article <1992Dec24.015454.6263@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake
> Livni) says:
>>
>>In article <1h7nf1INNhh1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ai918@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff
>>Shafer) writes:
>>>
>>>In a previous article, arif@ccrl.nj.nec.com (Arif Merchant) says:
>>>
>>>>I would appreciate suggestions for *basic* books on photographic composition.
>>>>More advanced books are also of interest, but I'm just starting out.
>>
>>>I am interested in the same subject. I found _Image_ by Michael Freeman
>>>at the library.
>>
>>Highly recommended, though it's not quite a "beginners" book.  On the
>>other hand, beginners books are so often silly that _Image_ might be a
>>good start, after all.
>>
>>Also see, _Light_ by the same author.  Very instructive.
>>
>>--
>>Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush
> another recommendation.  If you need a book on lighting, checkout
> "Light Science & Magic - An Introduction to Photographic Lighting"
> by Fil Hunter & Paul Fuqua.   ISBN 0-240-51796-2.
> TR590.H84 1990.  Its an excellent book, probably one of the
> best I seen on lighting.   It covers the principles of lighting from
> easy subjects to transparent glass and metal subjects.  How to


Would Kodak's _How to take good pictures_ do?  The book is for 
beginners and about a third of it is about composition.  I ordered 
mine directly from Kodak.
From: phan@quine (Phan Huy Lan)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: need help with mail order
Date: 31 Dec 92 04:46:09 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Hi, I need some help with mail order from Canada,
Montreal more precisely, so thoses Canadians who
have had experience with mail order from NY, can
U help me, thanx in advance, here are my questions:

Do I have to pay the 7% sales tax of the NY state ?

Do I have to pay tax and GST once I got the parket ?

If yes, how do they fix the amount to charge the % 
of tax ?

I'm planning to buy some lens from B&H, is any1 have
good or bad experience with this store ?
are they honest about the products they send ?
I'd like to share knowledges about buying from NY,
thanx.
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:21:29 EST
From: Antonis Papadourakis <NABXAP@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject:    Nikon Camera/Lenses/Acces. for sale

The following items are for sale:

CAMERA BODY:      Nikon FE-2 Black Body (Manual included)
                  Accessories:  Split focusing screen Nikon K2 (in camera)
                                Matte/Fresnel foc. screen Nikon B2
                                (in box with tweezers and instructions)
                                Nikon AR-3 Cable Release
                                Pro Cushion Curve strap (black)

MOTOR DRIVE:      Nikon MD-12 (Manual included)

FLASH:            Nikon SB-16B (Manual included)
                  Accessories:  Wide-flash adapter (24 mm) SW-7
                                Battery Holder MS-5
                                Flash Unit Coupler AS-9
                                Soft Case SS-16

LENS:             Nikkor 50 mm/ 1.8 AI
                  Accessories:  Filter HOYA Skylight (1B) with case
                                Filter HOYA Polarizer (PL) with case
                                Nikon lens hood (HR-1 rubber)
                                Nikon Close-up lens No. 2 with case
                                Nikon front lens cover
                                Nikon back lens cover

LENS:             Nikkor 28 mm/ 2.8 AI
                  Accessories:  Filter HOYA Skylight (1B) with case
                                Nikon lens hood (HN-2 metal)
                                Nikon front lens cover
                                Nikon back lens cover

LENS:             Nikkor 50-135mm/ 3.5 AIS
                  Accessories:  Filter HOYA Skylight (1B) with case
                                Filter HOYA Polarizer (PL) with case
                                Cokin filter adaptor with the following filters
                                      Polarizer (A 160)
                                      Sepia     (A 005)
                                      Diffuser 2 (A 084)
                                      Center spot 1 (A 060)
                                      Dreams 2  (A 092)
                                      Protective cap (A 252)
                                      Cokin system book

                              Bower Squintar 90 deg angle mirror attachment
                                      (62 mm Ser VII with case)


TRIPOD:             SLIK 212 AF (Manual included)
                    Accessories: Black carrying case

CAMERA BAG:         TENBA P655 (Black)

Note that both the 50mm and the 28 mm lenses have the same size (52 mm) and
they can use each other's filters.

All the above are in mint condition.  I am asking $1500.00 for everything or BO

Antonis Papadourakis
837 Jason Drive
Bensalem, PA 19020

Phone: (215) 639-8203 home
       (215) 785-7384 work
From: supplies@sklib.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: RE: Tamron 28-200/3.8-5.6
Date: 22 DEC 92 19:02:15 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: sklib.usask.ca


closest focusing at 28 is between 6 and 7 feet
not so good if you're using 28 to get wide view in cramped quarters
yes the size and sharpness are impressive but closest focusing and overall
speed are not the greatest.
I still like it but it won't work for everything

D.B.
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: News on Lithium Rechargeables
Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 18:58:16 GMT

Reprint without permission:
-=-=-=-=-=

                          A LONGER-LASTING BATTERY
                         USA Today:Washington-DC
                                 12/17/92
                                   P B1

Bellcore has developed a longer-lasting battery that can be used to power 
anything from a notebook computer to an electric car. The new AA-size 
lithium battery is rechargeable and can last three times longer than 
common batteries. According to Bellcore, local telephone companies can use 
the batteries for emergency backup during power outages. 
-=-=-=-=-=

Obviously, it can be used for cameras too.

Jason Chen



Newsgroups: rec.photo,ba.general,sgi.general
From: tnt@netcom.com (Terry Turner)
Subject: Re: Where to process my color negative film
Organization: Watch the Skies
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:14:06 GMT

i would like to recommend against fotron on castro. i had a bad experience
with them recently.
-- 
terry
	tnt@netcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo,ne.forsale
From: raf@cbnews.cb.att.com (robert.a.friedenson)
Subject: Nikon FE-2 plus Nikon Lenses Forsale
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:39:22 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: Nikon Camera Forsale

Upgrading to N90 plus AF lenses. Selling the following:

EQUIPMENT		SHUTTERBUG Avg Price

FE2 Body Crome			$350
Nikkor-S 50mm/1.4 AIed		$110
Nikkor-Q 135mm/2.8 AIed		$135
Zoom Nikkor 100-300mm/5.6	$330
SB-16B Flash			$150
				----
			       $1075

Total Package for $900

Bob Friedenson
109 Bellevue Road
Andover, MA 01810
(508) 475-9528
From: bu890@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Segal)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Photographing people; need permission?
Date: 3 Jan 1993 17:48:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Andrew has it right..in fact there are some things that are strictly
illegal to copy like currency and stamps - photographing them is a
criminal ofense!

There are also property rights - you can't use buildings like the
Toronto Skydome for any reason except you photo album...
then there are laws dealing with child pornography...

think before you shoot....

b
Newsgroups: rec.photo