HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Kashmir Solution is Self-determination
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:17:51 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <719256872@flounder.cs.duke.edu> azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:


>	   You classified Kashmir into two parts - Indian part and
>Pakistani part. That in itself is presumptious, and required
>clarification, that there is no *Indian part* - a brutally occipied
>Indian part, yes, but NO Indian part. 


That is really presumptious on your part. There are those Kashmiris
who want to remain a part of India. They are being either evicted
out of Kashmir or being killed by the terrorists whose training and
weaponry is coming from Pakistan in the name of Pan-Islamism.


It is also no coincidence that all those who want to stay with
India are non-Muslims and all those who are fighting to be separate
from India are Muslims. It is, therefore, not difficult to conclude
that the struggle in Kashmir is an extension of the same religion-based
separatism of India which had caused the 1947 partition. The tragedy
of partition and religion based secession from India will be defeated
no matter what the cost to India is. That, you should know, is the
strong Indian sentiment against which your pan-Islamism, hidden under 
the veneer of Kashmiriat, is pitted.


To justify to the world that it is Kashmiriat and not pan-Islamism
under its garb, you will have to take Kashmiri Hindus and Buddhists 
with you in your struggle. And before that don't try to pull a fast one
on the world in the name of Kashmiri's rights while
pursuing the pan-Islamism under its garb.


---raj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ohs3013@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (osama satti)
Subject: Request .. Vital Signs date
Reply-To: ohs3013@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:12:32 GMT

Hi all,

Can somebody post or e-mail me the dates when Vital Sign are performing in New
Jersey,New York or Buffalo area.....


				thanks in advance...
				osama
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ysm@engin.umich.edu (Yawar Shahzad Murad)
Subject: E-mail to Turkish Universities
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 18:59:32 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: soc.culture.pakistan

Does anybody out there know whether it is possible to send e-mail to 
students in Turkish universities? If you do, I would be very grateful if you 
would send me mail at my above address and let me know. Thanks.

Yawar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: silatman@hls.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Modern Education is Misleading
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:17:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: hls.1992Oct12.121754.688



    I see a few people on the net who are under the influence
of "modern" education system which is based on a foundation
that denies the Test presented by Allah swt, and wants to make
everything ongoing and Uncertain, thus producing "graduates"
who deep inside start denying Islam, and even mocking it
with "scientific" theories.

    What "science" do you people keep talking about. The human
beings do not yet perceive the complete set of logics which
govern the universe. They do not have the permission. What
is presented to them is a test, so that Allah swt can see
who is obedient and who is not. 

    The Awliya' have had the permission to recite an ayat
or surah of the Holy Quran, and perform miracles which
completely blow away all the logics and deductions of
the so-called "modern" science. So now, what are the logics
and what is the science that accompanies a recitation 
of the Holy Quran? 

    You can attend colleges and universities for
more knowledge but never become arrogant and challenge
the validity of the Quran and the Sunnah, and 
the teachings of the Awliya Ikram. Unfortunately, today's
education system indoctrinates you in becoming Uncertain,
and the end-product is a bunch of people who think
they know the process with which to analyze the universe.

                   was salam, Khalid Habib Khan
From: 894waqas@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:41:49 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Oct11.195937.22312@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
> In article <1992Oct11.133157.5749@gw.wmich.edu> x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Oct10.234954.23589@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
> 
> AW:
>>>>	THE PROHIBITION OF SWINE IN ISLAM, JUDAISM, AND  CHRISTIANITY
>>>>
>>>>	Thus, it may be concluded without doubt that the swine or pig is
>>>>definitely an impious and unsanitary animal.  
>                  ^^^^^^^
> ----------
> GA:
>>> 1) Times have changed and almost all pork eaten in western countries 
>>> are raised on farms that are fed nothing but the best stuff (far more 
>>> hygenic than the chemical contaminated grasses that Asian cows/goats eat).
>>> If I read your definition of trash right, then the modern swines have never 
>>> tasted trash. 
>>
> ---------
> AW:
>>	You are right when you talk about the pigs fed and grown at different
>>forms (not wild pigs) for business purposes in the Western Countries.  But 
>>Western countries  does not make the whole world. What I stated was in general 
>>and not for Western countries (pigs grown in forms) only.           ^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Akhtar Waqas.
>>
> ---------
> GA:
> Yes, western countries do not make the whole world.   But would you agree 
> that eating pigs in western countries is not an impious thing to do since
> they are not contaminated ? Since you say that your statement was `in general',
> does this `general' cover all the countries ?     
> 

Dear Brother Gopal,

	Pigs by nature has the property, I stated earlier, and considering its
structure I would answer with a "No" to you first question. By "in general" I
mean the world or planet Earth.  In addition to the previously stated property
that pig body posesses, it has another property i.e:  

	The pig does not reproduce like other animals.  More than one male pig 
uses the same female pig.  The father of the child is not known.  This is a
dirty act and no other animals does it.  

Your Brother,

Akhtar Waqas.


> As for the 3rd world countries, I think labelling a pig as `impious' is 
> appropriate since the common man cannot understand the word `unsanitary'
> but he understands `impious' (I hope this reverses some day). 
> 
> regards,
> --   
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: A.K. Fazlul Haq, Gallery of Freedom Fighters
Date: 10 Oct 1992 16:50:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu

		
			Gallery of Freedom Fighters
			---------------------------

			Maulvi A.K. Fazlul Haq
			----------------------

	MAulvi Abul Kasim Fazlul Haq was born in a village in the 
Barisal district of the present Bangladesh. He was the first Muslim
graduate of Bengal. He joined the Congress in 1912 and was elected its secretary general but resigned because of the differences on the minorities issues and
joined the Muslim League  and was elected the General Secretary of the
Bengal Muslim League . In 1913 he became a member of the Bengal Assembly.
	In 1935 he became the Mayor of Calcutta. From 1935 to 1937 he was
a member of the Indian assembly. In 1937 he left the Muslim LEague to
form his own Krishak Praja PArty. HE became the Chief Minister of 
BEngal in April 1937 which he remained till 1943.
	When the Quaid-e-Azam reorganized the Muslim League, Fazlul HAq
rejoined the fold and presented the Pakistan Resolution in the
historic Lahore session of the Muslim League in 1940. After independence
he was the advocate general of the former East Pakistan. In 1954, after
the electoral victory of the United Front, he became the provincial
chief minister. In the beginning of  1956 he became the Governor
of the former East Pakistan but was removed some months later.
HE died in Dacca after a long illness.

P.S. Form  50 years, Golden Jubilee, Pakistan Resolution 1940-90
	   by Pakistan International Airlines (PIA).

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland, Ohio
October 1992
From: mughal@juliet.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
Date: 16 Oct 1992 10:34 PST
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: juliet.caltech.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1blc02INNr05@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, rajesh@quince (Rajesh Raman) writes...
>imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar) writes:
>: 
>: Bullshit!  If Islam was being spread, especially in India, at the 
>: point of a sword how come the Hindus remained a MAJORITY or for that

>  That Hindus were persecuted in India under many Muslim kings is a fact.

     hmm... really ? My understanding is different from this. Can you please
     specify which kings you are refering to ?
>  
>  Rajesh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:58:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.102805.28001@panix.com> imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar) writes:
>
>Bullshit!  If Islam was being spread, especially in India, at the 
>point of a sword how come the Hindus remained a MAJORITY or for that
>matter they even stayed ALIVE or survived as a race.  Must have
>9 lives or something.
>

On reading history one sees that throughout their stay in India
the Invaders were constantly engaged in war with the Indians, trying
to consolidate their political rule. Even Shahjahan, considered
one of the less involved in expansion of the kingdom, was CONSTANTLY
engaged in battles either at this or that front of his kingdom. So,
there was resistance to the invaders in sufficient amount till the
fading of the supremacy of the Turco/Persian/etc. invaders in 18th/19th
century. 

There NEVER was a peaceful era during the rules of any of these invaders.

SO, you can see that the invaders were never able to subdue the resistance
despite almost 1000 years in India. that is the reason Islam remained
confined to small pockets and the overwhelming resistance by the Hindus
kept the Hinduism alive.

Only those who were weak, bowed to the pressures of the invaders and
converted, and the rest continued to resist the forced conversions. 

>Imran Anwar

---raj


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:36:00 GMT

In article <92281.105838U43587@uicvm.uic.edu>, U43587@uicvm.uic.edu writes...
>In article <7OCT199215114341@vxcrna.cern.ch>, mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
>says:
>>
>>In article <1992Oct7.124353.18459@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
>>(omar.farooq) writes...
>>>In artcile 28865, HARSHAVARDHAN  DESHMANE writes:
>>>
>>>[...deleted...]
>>
>>        You forgot to mention that we make one of the finest beer.
>>        This is my opinion after living in Germany (a beer drinking country)
>>        for several years. This beer factory near Muree has survived
>>        atleast 3 burnings by the fundamentalists. It is pity that
>>        we are not promoting this sector. It can create lot of local
>>        jobs and foreign exchange. Some parts of Pakistan are also
>>        ideal to produce wines.
>>
>>Mirza Ilyas
> 
>Hey Br. Mirza Ilyas at first in Re: Asian model in a white world you ask
>us about what the Quraan says about modeling.  Now you state that Pak beer
>is the best tasting.  Am I stupid or what but Muslim's don't drink!
>
	How can I tell who you are?
	I thought alcohol is only "MACROOH" not "HARAM"?
	Modeling I do not know.
> 
>That just goes to show where the Paks of the world are taking Pak, down
>the gutters of Sadar & Lalukaith in the Worlds best metropolitan smog city
>Karachi ( I would assume, right Mr. Ilyas _ i refuse to take you as my Brother
>since you have reverted to drinking german beer.)
> 
	No I prefer "Murree brewery"
	[ In case you do not know, "Muree Brewery" exists since
	  British times. It is few km from Muree towards
	  Islamabad. In good old times you could just go to the
	  famous alcohol shop in melody market Islamabad and
	  get it. These days its tricky, costly but not
	  impossible. They also produce other stuff but their
	  beer is better. It is claimed that they export their
	  products? (I do not know).]

> 
>DA PAKS FOR A BEERIER PAK
>MAY THE BEST WINE COME FROM THE BEAUTIFUL VINEYARDS OR WINEYARDS OF PAK.


	We all know about "HASHEESH", "CHURSE", "AFUNE", "PHUNGE"
	"THURAA",.... We are producing these in ample quantity
	isnt it? 
	Why not to produce a better and more respectable form,
	vine or wine?

       [I was just wondering why it is so that Western countries
	can f... any muslim country whenever they please to do so?
	It occurs to me that beside others, one factor is alcohol.
	It might be a stimulant for the the human creativity?
	I heard that Babai QouM, Quaid-e-Azam, Mohammad Ali
	Jinnah also used to drink?
	What do you say?...............Brother.]

Mirza Ilyas 
	
	[N.B. this is also for j n a ]

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.lebanon
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: HELP MUSLIMS; PAY NOTHING.
Keywords: Hydrocarbons.
Organization: LC
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 03:22:36 GMT

SOMEONE ASKED ME TO POST THIS FOR HIM.  


Your Signature = $6,000,000 per month for islamic education. You pay $0.


Alsalamo Alaikom,

A muslim group named "Muslim Education Foundation" or MEF has
a contract with the phone company MCI.  The contract says:

For every muslim that joins MCI via MEF, MCI will contribute 5% of
the total bill to the Muslim Education Foundation which funds
muslim schools around the USA.  If you refer someone, they'll give
you 20% discount.

I thought you'd be interested in carrying this out in your area.

I think, if someone is already an MCI, he can convert to AT&T,
then back to MCI via MEF.  

This way you can help our muslim children without having to pay
a penny out of your pocket.  Say your AT&T is $100/mo,
you send $100 check to AT&T.  But if it was to MCI (which is cheaper)
you'll send in $100 to MCI, and MCI gives 5% to muslim schools.

MEF calculated that if the average muslim in the US converts to MCI,
then the muslim schools will be receiving $6,000,000 per month.
Yes, six million a month ==> 72 milllion a year.   I think the 
our children deserve the 72 million/year instead of AT&T.


Here is a list of benifits:

-MCI quality long distance service.
-An additional 20% Discount on Frends & Family.
-$9 Certificate for long distance usage.
-No change in how you use your phone.
-MCI will pay to switch you back to your old carrier if wished after 30 days.
-The best of all, Allah's Blessing for every time you use your phone,
 inshallah.


For more info, please call:

	Tel (407) 333-9779
	    (407) 333-9954

You can call them, they'll send you the info.


Wassalamo Alaikom.
From: ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: visa to India
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:21:36 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Oct16.130238.11005@cbfsb.cb.att.com> onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq) writes:
>[... deleted...]
>
>>2. To see if there are still any Hindus in Pakistan.   I have never met 
>>a Hindu from Pakistan, not even on the net.
>
>>Manoj
>
>
>That's because most of the Hindus in Pakistan live in rural Sind between the 
>border with Punjab and north of Karachi.  Majority of their villages are
>strung along sections of the Indus and many are close to the border with
>Rajasthan.
>
>
>Omar
>
>omar.farooq@att.com

How does that prevent them from coming to the US?  Do they have a lot of
land there?  What prevents them from going to cities or getting an
education?  

Manoj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: rajiv@me.uta.edu (Rajiv Chakravarti)
Subject: Re: Ghazal by Momin...
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:45:06 GMT


	   royaa karenge aap bhi pehroN isi tarah
	   aTkaa kaheeN jo aap ka dil bhi meri tarah
   [[ pehroN = for a long time, from hindi "prahar" ]
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   If I'm not wrong, a peher is a fixed time span of 4 or
   6 hours duration... there are certain number of pehers in a day. That's the
   meaning in which the word is used in Sindhi. Even the 'though-peher' in Urdu
   seems to be consistent with this definition. I wonder what the Hindi 'prahar'
   precisely means...

   (...... stuff deleted)

   =====================================================================

   Regards,
   Rajiv [ kabhi hum bhi tum bhi the' aashna, tumheN yaad ho ke na yaad ho ]


   --
   Nadeem

   -- 
   Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca

   School of Computer Science			  
   Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7882  


================

Hello Nadeem, 
	
	You are absolutely right, of course. "peher" is a fixed period of
time... There are 8 peher's in a day, 3 hours each.. (very equally spaced, 
the first starting from 12:00 midnight - 3:00 am)

	The Hindustani Classical music ragas are classified in terms of
these various "prahars" (in Hindi) . 

	Howevr, in this case, pehroN would mean "for long periods of time.

Hope that helps.

Regards,
Rajiv [ maiN wohi hooN Momin-e-mubtalaa .... ]
--
=====================================================================
Rajiv Chakravarti
Dept. of Aerospace Engineering
University of Texas at Arlington

rajiv@utacfd.uta.edu                             rajiv@me.uta.edu
=====================================================================
From: zabdi@bucknell.edu (Zakir Abdi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Omer Sharif Show...a pathetic program
Keywords: Hydrocarbons.
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:54:16 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: vega.cs.bucknell.edu


	Hello Friends,

	Some of you might know that there was a Omer Sharif show on 11th of this
	month in New Jersy (East Brunswick).  I was stupid enough to drove around
        400 miles and buy a ticket worth of $25.  I was accompanied with my three
	Indians friends (fans of Omer).  The program started almost 2 hrs late.
	At 8:30 pm organizers informed us that they are waiting for one artist
        who they believed missing on N.J Turnpike.  Finally around 9:10pm program
	started and what a pathetic show.  Omer did not bring any single thing
        new for the show, he tells all his old jokes.  Benjumin sister and Hasan
	Jahangir were on the stage for 1/2 hrs.  Rest of the artists were no good
	et al.  
	My request to every one on the net.  "Never ever go to a show which is
					      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^	 
	organized by a Pakistani."   
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Khuda Hafiz

	Zakir Abdi
	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:34:52 GMT

In article <1blc02INNr05@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, rajesh@quince (Rajesh Raman) writes:
|> imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar) writes:
|> : 
|> : Bullshit!  If Islam was being spread, especially in India, at the 
|> : point of a sword how come the Hindus remained a MAJORITY or for that
|> : matter they even stayed ALIVE or survived as a race.  Must have
|> : 9 lives or something.
|> : 
|> : Imran Anwar
|> 
|>   Imran Bhai, can you really believe that a minority can wipe out a majority.
|>   We're talking people in such numbers. One person could kill ten others. But
|>   ten million people can't go out and kill hundred million people. Is there 
|>   any use trying to attack others' religions? When you attack someone's rel-
|>   igion give some coherent points. Don't just make fun of it. That would only
|>   lead to a battle of tongues.
|> 
|>   That Hindus were persecuted in India under many Muslim kings is a fact.
|>   
|>   Rajesh

Rajesh,

you ask for coherent points and then lay on us " hindues were persecuted in
india under .........................."

some facts please.

your brotherly neighbour

sahibzada rafay [seeker of the truth and half truths ] khan
From: fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (Ms F. Khurshid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Jesus: MightyProphet NotSonOfGod
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:11:15 GMT
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre

In article <1992Oct7.134544.5671@gw.wmich.edu>, 894waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.154024.23208@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
> > In article <1992Oct7.100009.5666@gw.wmich.edu> x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:

> >>		I would like to inform you about a latest research going on in
> >>the field of biology called CLONNING.  What is Clonning?  Well, it a process by
> >>which a baby is born without any male intervention.  How?  What they do is:

PLEASE you're giving molecular biology a 'baad' name! :-)
'CLONING' means to produce populations of cells/ organisms from a single cell or 
or common ancestor bythe normal process of cell division.

> >>	1.	Take OVA out of FEMALE body.
> >>	2.	Take CELL out of FEMALE body.
> >>	3.	Take the NUCLEIUS out of the CELL.
> >>	4.	TURN ON all the GENES and place it on the OVA.
> >>	5.	It starts dividing into cells.
> >>	6.	Ultimately develops into a FETUS.

Apart from the inaccuracy of the above process(!) i think your are referring
to cloning in the sense that it's a method of bypassing  the sexual process .
You have to be able to clone  from a starting point ....which you have omitted
from your process.....i.e the nucleus must be from a male cell (embryo)and then
injected into the unfertilised egg.                  ^^^^

> >>	This research is done by Americans (Christians) and not Muslims.  Now
> >>the Christian beleive that respected Jesus (peace be on him) is son of God 
> >>because he (pboh) did not had any human father and God must be his father.  The

Are you saying that they believe he was 'cloned'  ????

> > I can already see future Newspapers screaming 
> > "Evidence of clonning found in Jesuit era. Hallaloueyaaa...". 

Not unless they have a science editor :-)

> 
> 	It is not clear what you want to say.  If you have any doubt about this
> science (CLONNING), please, check it at you campus library, and if I
SOUND ADVICE 
> Akhtar Waqas.
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Farha Khurshid                               email: fkhurshi@uk.ac.mrc-crc
Imperial Cancer Research Fund                     : f_khurshid@icrf.icnet.uk
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: azeem@juliet.caltech.edu (Azeem, Mohammad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Asian models? : Flattery
Date: 12 Oct 1992 12:10 PST
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world,na
NNTP-Posting-Host: juliet.caltech.edu
Keywords: modelling agencies and advertising
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (Ms F. Khurshid) writes...


>Flattery will get you ..................nowhere!

Sorry, but I can't disagree more emphatically!
Are you trying to tell me that kiss ***es don't
get what they seek? ;-)

Mohammad (underachiever owing to honesty) Azeem