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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 17:07:13 EST
From:         Dennis Downes <DENNISD@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Dominic's Top 5

>Posted on 20 Jan 1993 at 13:55:15 by DOMINIC PLANT
>
>Re: Dominic's Top 5
>
>Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 18:52:42 GMT
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>From:         DOMINIC PLANT <DPLANT@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
>
>On Wed, 20 Jan 1993 13:11:15 EST Dennis Downes said:
>>
>>The Commitments reminds me of Sister Act and Back to the future II.
>>First of all, BTTF II had to be the lamest movie ever made! It was
>>exactly like the first and 3rd ones. Back to the future I was the only
>>movie to break any new ground.
>
>
>  That II was a remake of I and III and remake of both, is very
>  much part of the humour involved. If you missed that you would
>  miss out on the full enjoyment of each film. Obviously not a
>  true "Backker" ehhhh ?
>
>                  Dominic.


I loved "Back I" however, what I did not miss, was the humor involved
in Back II or III; there was none. Another thing I did not miss, was the
fact that Hollywood made the same movie over 3 times and the American
population ate it up. It would make P.T Barnum proud!.

                                                dennis
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:17:20 EST
From:         Bill Felty <BILL.FELTY@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      DeNiro-Taxi Driver

Sorry...I meant to post this a coupla days ago but forgot!! Someone asked
who Robert DeNiro lost the Best Actor Oscar to when he was nominated
for _Taxi Driver_.  That year, Peter Finch won for _Network_.  I hope you
still needed the info.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:22:48 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: STAR WARS missing footage?

I checked my copy of the Fox letterboxed disc of Star Wars last night--it's also
   missing a second toss of the grappling hook.  However, if the scene ever play
   ed
another way, it must have had some other editing changes too.  Luke's toss
occurs while the storm troopers are shooting at them from the front, and another
   group are about to force open the airlock from behind.  A couple tries of the
hook, with the second being guided by the force, would seem forced under the
circumstances.  Also, it would sort of make Luke's final approach to demolishing
   the Death Star a bit redundant--what with having to be reminded by Obi Wan's
voice to trust the force.  (Hasn't that kid gotten the point by now?)

Jeff Clark
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:06:19 -0500
From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: Boneheads

>
> I have just been informed by my office colleagues that Arnold S.' MBA is
> honorary.  However, I do believe I read somewhere that he did finish
> college in Austria.
>
> Adrian
> Clemson
===========================================================
Hmmm...the article I read said it was for real.  Anyone out there who can
clear this one up?
                                                          Alex
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:16:18 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Vanishing remake?

Maarten,

I believe your are right--"The Vanishing" I was thinking of, too, was Dutch,
by director George Sluizer(?).  I just caught the promo to the American
remake myself, last night... and guess what? --Sluizer is the director on
this one too, a rather rare occurrence.

Which gives me, for one, mixed feelings.  Maybe, good director or no (I know
nothing else about his track record: is he new to filmmaking?), he's seen an
opportunity to get into Hollywood filmmaking where greater resources will be
available to him in the future (regardless of whether he takes his remake
as a "serious" effort of translation or improvement of his original film).
That would be like repeating the history of Paul Verhoeven.

Jeff Clark
From: brockieb@STUDENT.MSU.EDU (Brodie H Brockie)
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Subject: Re: Old movie recasting
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:53:59 GMT
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              "JOE@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU" at Jan 25, 93 5:40 pm

>
> Even though the original was great, I did like the remake of Little Shop of
> Horrors.
>
Good example. This is the type of remake that I think is OK. The remke of
Little Shop of Horrors was Radically different from the original. It's really
almost more of a parody of the original. Plus the music from Ashmen and Menken
(you know, the Little Mermaid/Beauty and the Beast/Alladin team) was great!
                                                         -Brodie

P.S.: speaking of Ashman and Menken does anybody know anything else they wrote
music for (besides the aforementioned and Newsies)
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:11:26 PDT
From:         DU013@OASIS.CALPOLY.EDU
Subject:      Re: DGA/Oscar nominations
              28 Jan 1993 09:06:36 EST from "E. Susan Stonehill"
              <ZKTKB@CUNYVM.BITNET>

From:  Mary Shaffer
       Assistant to the Vice President
       Information Systems

I read that the "Aladdin" creators envisioned Williams as the Genie from the
start. They made a short animated segment of the Genie using some of Williams'
stand-up routines. They showed it to Williams to entice him to play the role
and to Jeffrey Katzengerg at Disney to convince him Williams was right for
the part. It was a departure for Disney -- to appeal to a wider audience --
but a risk that is now paying off in box office returns.

Thanks,
Mary
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:01:27 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Unforgiven

>Unforgiven is an astonishing film because it succeeds in delivering
>all the  elements of a classic western while questioning the foundations
>upon which the notion of the classic western is based.

The same could be said of Peckinpah's WILD BUNCH, which is now a
quarter century old (!). It takes a while for Hollywood to catch
up with its suffering visionaries.

kjf-
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:13:56 EST
From:         Bill Felty <BILL.FELTY@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Oscar Nominations

OK, let me play devil's advocate.....Emma Thompson (who I LOVED in _Howards
End_, BTW) has won EVERY critics' award plus the Golden Globe for Best
Actress.  Do you think the Academy, who seems to really like Susan Sarandon
and who also seems to feel she's been passed over before, might actually
break the "Emma avalanche" by honoring Sarandon for _Lorenzo's Oil_ and
leaving Thompson to win another day?  It seems to me the Academy is always
having to play catch up.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 07:25:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Laserdisc tip of the month.

Jeff,
  It's that exclamation point in the title that costs extra.
Jim
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:07:25 -0600
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: let's lynch Lynch

Subj:   let's lynch Lynch


>A sly guy, that Lynch. He knows how to keep us academ-anemics happy --
>give us crap that we can find some obscure rationale for praising.
>
>This is, after all, the very essence of PoMo/Camp (not to mention
>tenure and promotion). Lynch et. al. are crucial components in a
>critical academic function -- blowing smoke in everyone's face and
>convincing them it's The Wind of Change.
>
>Happy New Year,
>kjf-

Welcome back, kjf.  Glad to see you haven't abandoned Cinema-L.
Your piquant wit is an antidote to the doldrums of my job-induced
malaise.

j-man
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From: mwjoosen@cs.ruu.nl (Maarten Joosen)
Subject: Re: Old movie recasting
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:27:03 GMT
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Why are there so many people who want to make remakes of everything. In 999999
of 1 million those remakes are far worse than the original. It's much better
if those old movies would get a change to be seen again. In that way all those
rotten films that are made today would be replaced by good movies. The money
thus saved could be spend on good films

Sorry just want to get this out of my system

Maarten Joosen
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Subject:      more suggestions

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     25-Jan-1993 11:13am EST
                                        From:     Anita F. Colyer
                                                  AFCOLYER
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TO:  Remote Network Mail User             ( _IN%CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET )


Subject: more suggestions

And if we give Tom Skerritt a large enough role in the remake of Thelma &
Louise, we might even go so far as to rename the film Thelma & Louise Return
from the River.

Still musing about the possibilities,
Anita
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:06:39 -0500
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: STAR WARS missing footage?

I remember the day STAR WARS opened in NYC - I convinced my roommates
that we had to see this film NOW so we made the trek downtown where
they were giving out buttons that read "May the force be with you" to
everybody in the audience - I also remember argueing abour where to sit -
I finaly sat by myself in the third row of this large screen theater (it
could have been the Ziegfeld) - The film was quite stunning right from the
openning credits - I do also remember a scene where Luke tries at least
twice to get the hook to catch - I guess we need a director's cut - Could
it be it was shortened slightly for TV or for more viewing per day at
a theater?
From: rhogan@phakt.usc.edu (Ron Hogan)
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Subject: Re: THX1138? Film, Trailer or what?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 03:12:53 -0800
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Johannes Heyer <C0031018@DBSTU1.RZ.TU-BS.DE> writes:

>has anyone heard of something called 'THX1138' ? Is it just a THX-Trailer
>or Demo or is it a real film ? A friend of mine asked me that. He is
>interested in it cause he wants to test his new Surround-Sound-Super-Hyper-
>Maximum-Fancy-Expensive-System ... :-)

It is, of course, two real films, both of which were directed by
George Lucas, whose company years later invented THX sound systems.

They are late 60s early 70s films though, so I wouldn't use them to
test a sound system.  Try APOCALYPSE NOW or BLADE RUNNER...or NASHVILLE.

Ron Hogan
Cinema-Television, USC
rhogan@usc.edu

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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:25:10 -0500
From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: Old movie recasting

>
> Why are there so many people who want to make remakes of everything. In
999999
> of 1 million those remakes are far worse than the original. It's much better
> if those old movies would get a change to be seen again. In that way all
those
> rotten films that are made today would be replaced by good movies. The money
> thus saved could be spend on good films
>
> Sorry just want to get this out of my system
>
> Maarten Joosen
> mwjoosen@cs.ruu.nl
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Hey, lighten up, Maarten.  It was just a conversation starter.

                                                                Alex
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:53:04 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      MOHICANS & a little help from a "Comment" friend...

Here's a positive thought--just a tidbit--to add to anyone's view of Last of
the Mohicans.  It's from the latest issue of Film Comment, one of the "Moments
out of Time" observations made on the past year's films... and one I happen
to agree with:

" 'Stay alive, no matter what occurs--I >will< find you!': Daniel Day-Lewis
to Madeleine Stowe. Overexposure in TV clips can't reduce the bravery and
exquisite judgment in the writing of that line; it's the startling 'occurs'
that measures Hawkeye poised between races, cultures, and fundamental
allegiances, in The Last of the Mohicans..."   JC
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:42:24 CST
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Is there anybody out there?

Where have all the discussions gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the critics gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the movie freaks gone?.....

So I'm at a terminal desparately seeking
to procrastinate some work I need to get
on, and I go to my reading list.  And
no cinema-l;  s'up wit dat noize?

Thanks alot gang :-(, see if I count
on any of you to keep me from my work
again.

Joe Daus  U of MO-Columbia
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:17:03 -0400
From:         EROBINETTE@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
Subject:      Re: DGA/Oscar nominations

I would say at this point that I more or less agree with Rolando's Oscar
predictions, though I'm still not completely sure whether Nicholson or
Hackman will get it. I'm imclined to say Hackman, since he's got the Globe.
I'm also still wondering: Will Robin Williams be nominated as Best Sup. Actor
or will he be given a special award?

While we're at it, how about predictions on winners/nominations for the
smaller categories?

Mine are (so far):

Best Score: Aladdin (Alan Menken)
Best Song: A Whole New World (Aladdin)
Best Cinematography: The Last of the Mohicans
Best Special Effects: Death Becomes Her
Best Sound Effcts Editing: Batman Returns (the big summer sequel always seems
                                           to get this)

Eric R.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:38:15 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      Remake better than original(s)...

How about the John Huston & Humphrey Bogart remake (3rd version,
second remake) of The Maltese Falcon?  I think everyone agrees it
was better than the first two versions.

Another example is The Postman Always Rings Twice.  I don't mean the
Nicholson-Lange one, I mean the Lana Turner one from the forties.
Is it better or worse than Ossessione, the Visconti version?  There
you have the interesting example of an Italian version of an
American novel, which was made after a French version (Le Dernier
Tournant) came out.  So then an American remake is made of a foreign
film, though arguably a "re-appropriation" of a US source...

oop, gotta eat dinner.  Cornish hens!  NOT better as a remake!

Rick
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:05:47 CST
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: DAMAGE: Beyond Repair

>     Being stupid, selfish, horny and rich is deadly. That's
>what Jeremy Irons' character learns in Damage, a pathetic film
>about sensationally stupid people. Irons plays a British politician
>who falls in lust with his son's fiancee(Unbearable Lightness' Juliette
>Binoche). Miranda Richardson is his wounded wife and Rupert Graves plays
>the somewhat ineffectual son. Leslie Caron even shows up as Binoche's
>mother. Louise Malle directs the Pinteresque script(I kept being
>reminded what a much better film the Harold Pinter-scripted Betrayal,
>also starring Irons, was.) by David Hare. How then can a film with such
>impressive credentials fail so miserably? Much of the blame has to go to
>the Hare-brained script which is based on trash novelist Josephine
>Hart's bestseller, which I gratefully never read. The movie alternates
>between Irons and Binoche staring longingly at each other, Irons and
>Binoche coupling acrobatically which must have necessitated several
>trips to the chiropractor, and Irons and Binoche in awkward family
>gatherings where rich people sit around in elegant surroundings looking
>unhappy. Irons, who is looking more and more like Boris Karloff,
>performs mostly lying down while Binoche tries to squeeze every last
>drop of meaning from the silences and stares the script puts her
>through. Better for us that she's quiet than when she delivers such
>bullshit lines as, "Damaged people are dangerous. They know they can
>survive". The only bright spot comes from Miranda Richardson who
>supplies the only moments of honesty in the film. Louise Malle has
>directed great films(Atlantic City, Au Revoir Les Enfants) and bad films
>(Crackers, Very Private Affair). Damage belongs to the latter. Damage
>tries to be Last Tango in Paris. It looks more like a Calvin Klein ad.
>                                                            Rolando
>

So I assume you didn't like it??

;-)  Joe
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:01:02 EST
From:         Mark POINDEXTER <37PSVFB@CMUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Great Actors/esses
              21 Jan 1993 18:12:24 GMT from <DPLANT@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>

I agree with Dominic about THE HARD WAY.  This is no classic, but I thought
it was a lot of fun too. I was beginning to think I was the only person on
earth other than those with vested interests in the film who felt that way.
No I know there are at least two of us. (Unless, of course, Dominic invested in
 the film.)
From: SCP23007@NOVELL1.RTC-CARLOW.IE (Wayne Horan)
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Janet,
     I like watching films, but I do have other interests including
computer games, After all, if I watched films non-stop, I would turn
into a zombie. Tim Currys more recent roles have included Pennywise
the clown in Steven Kings "IT" mini-series and the snooty hotel
manager in "Home Alone 2".
    If Tim Curry had have been cast as the Joker in "Batman", the
role of Batman would have to have been given to someone else, as Tim
Curry resembles Michael Keaton (a bit).
   I think David Rasche would have made a good Batman, especially
since "Sledge Hammer" had just been cancelled around the time the
film was being made.
And they should have included a Robin, whether mainstream (Michael J
Fox), female (Winona Ryder), or black (Marlon Wayans).
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:48:57 -0400
From:         EROBINETTE@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
Subject:      DGA/Oscar Nominations

Considering the newly revealed DGA nominations and the Golden Globes, I wondered
what everyone thought about Oscar nominations. Here are my ideas:

Picture:
The 3 locks are A Few Good Men, Howards End, and the Player. The other 2 slots
are still up for grabs. Possible contenders:

The Player has a stronger chance of being tapped now that it has the Golden
Globe, and the actors will surely nominate it because a lot of them appeared in
it. However, one has to wonder if Hollywood will want to reward the hand that
bites it.

Although Scent of A Woman got the Globe for Best Drama, I don't look for it to
get nominated here. Common consensus seems to be that the film is too slowly
paced and not "heavy" enough to warrant recognition.
A River Runs Through It has, I think a stronger chance of being
nominated because it has an Oscar-winning director at the helm and the film
is both dramatically solid and visually enthralling--this can't be said for
Scent, IMHO.

Malcolm X-- Though I personally consider this last year's best film, I don't see
a picture nomination because box office is not strong enough and I would imagine
the Academy (read: establishment) is wary of the movie.

Aladdin--This could slip in, since it is tremendously popular and innovative.
However, I think Disney wants a nomination for Williams more than the film.

The Crying Game--Could sneak in as a sleeper--Remember Chariots of Fire?

For now I cast my lot with The Player and A River Runs Through It.


Actor
I think Pacino can just about call it his. Clint and Denzel will give him tough
competiton, but Clint will more likely be named Best Director, and Denzel has
won before. Pacino is enormously respected *and hasn't won yet*.

Actress
Emma Thompson--Any questions?

Supporting Actor
Hackman has the strongest chance here, but my real question is Will Robin
Williams be nominated or given a special award a la Golden Globes?

Actress/Supporting Actress
Will Pfeiffer be nominated for Love Field or Batman Returns?

Feel free to debate; I'm open to suggestions.

Eric Robinette--new member and aspiring critic.
erobinette@desire.wright.edu
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:54:32 EST
From:         Steven Feldman <AR402004@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Cynthia Rothrock Filmography?

>Subject:      RE: Cynthia Rothrock Filmography?
>Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 17:55:00 EDT
>From:         Sean Farquharson <FARQUHAR@SNYSYRV1.BITNET>
>
>I think there was one in a past issue of SKAM magazine, I'll check and
>post it if I find one.

     What is "SKAM magazine," and where would one find an issue?  What
sort of magazine is this, etc.

                          -- Steven Feldman <ar402004@brownvm.brown.edu>
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