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Subject: Pig liver transplant
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:41:18 EDT
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If the human body can function with the liver of any of a number of species
(babboon, pig), then why is it so hard to get a match with a human organ donor?


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Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: kpc@pluto.arc.nasa.gov (k p c)
Subject: sci.med
Reply-To: kpc@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center AI Research Branch; Sterling.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:55:58 GMT

one of the reasons that people seem upset with sci.med is not that the
nature of the threads has changed, but that the volume is higher,
making it subjectively different.  this can be solved with good
newsreaders.  mine lets me pick the subjects i want and kills off all
the others permanently.  unfortunately it is a bureaucratic nightmare
to post or email the code, so please don't ask.  all it is is just
modifications to gnus.

the other reason is that there are orthodoxy wars.  i don't see
anything to flame about; each to his own level of rigor.  the
defenders of orthodoxy are good to point out lack of rigor when they
see it.  but maybe they tire.

that is why i recommend sci.med.alternative to relocate the flames.

if what remains on sci.med are statements like "md's believe y will
help your problem.  homeopaths believe that x will help your problem,
but if you want a discussion of that, try sci.med.alternative", i will
be happy.

otherwise i think sci.med works fine.
Newsgroups: sci.med,bionet.followup
From: jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: treatment for Lyme recurrence?
Organization: Equator Technologies, Inc., Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:32:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.030545.28867@genie.slhs.udel.edu> nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz) writes:
>A friend of mine got Lyme disease this summer, took antibiotics for
>seven weeks, is sick again, and would like to know what the standard
>treatments are for a recurrence of Lyme disease.
>
>(The above are all the details I have, but I can get more if anybody
>wants them.)
>
>                                   Thanks in advance,
>                                   Nancy Lebovitz 

This is a *very* controversial subject.  

My recommendation is to call the Lyme Borreliosis Foundation at
203-871-2900.  They can provide protocols that are based on current
clinical experience, and information on physicians in your area
knowledgeable about Lyme.


-- 
- - -
John Setel O'Donnell                      jod@equator.com
Equator Technologies, Inc.                206-328-6544 voice/fax
Seattle, WA                               Read everything by Alice Miller.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: Pat.Churchill@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Ketoprofen
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:06:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.052456.22227@rigel.econ.uga.edu> hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:

> 
>     Does anyone know anything about ketoprofen?  It works a *hell*
>     of a lot better than ibuprofen at relieving pain, and yet
>     is a prescription drug.  Why is this?
>    
>     Wayne

I just  bought a tube of Oruvail Gel from my local pharmacy.  It's
Ketoprofen *for topical use* for the relief of musculoskeletal pain,
swelling and inflammation.
I bought it because one of my fingers swells up from time to time qand
I can hardly bend it.  The joint is sore and I suspect it's the
beginnings of arthritis which seems t run in the family.

Anyway, this gel form of ketoprofen is available in New Zealand as a
*pharmacy only* medicine.  I see it is manufactured by Rhone-Poulenc
-- 
| The floggings will continue until morale improves
| Pat.Churchill@bbs.actrix.gen.nz (Pat Churchill, Wellington, New Zealand)
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)
Subject: Yawning and the pain in the nose?
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 15:24:17 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Have you ever yawned and then felt a strange sensation in your
nose?  It happens to me.  Is this normal?  And what causes it?

-- 
Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  
From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein)
Subject: Re: Put up or shut up  (was: alternative medicine newsgroup)
Organization: Strawman Incorporated
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:41:41 GMT

In article <1b76akINN5i8@cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes:
>-*----
>In article <1992Oct9.094313.12019@vms.eurokom.ie> mdebuitlear@vms.eurokom.ie writes:

>> Chinese medical theory provides a better explanation than 
>> current western medicine for, amoung many others, ...
>
>> Hayfever, ...
>
>Does it have anything to do with pollen, the immune system, 
>and histamine response?  If not, how is it a better 
>explanation?
 
< Oher examples deleted >

>We now know quite a bit about the phenomena in Michael's list.
>I challenge him to show that traditional Chinese medicine has
>a better explanation for any *one* of the three listed above.
>I would be especially interested in seeing him address strokes.
>It will be interesting to see him try to "debunk" modern notions 
>about blood circulation, blood chemistry, cardiovascular 
>anatomy, brain function, etc.

I think you're both on the wrong track. Both of you are selling religion,
trying to argue that you have the better explanation. Can you not
recognize that each of you have explanations for observed phenomena
and leave it at that? I wish Russell, that you would at least take
some time to learn some of the basic theory and philosophy of Chinese
medicine before you so quickly rush to judgement. 
-- 
******************************************************************************
Robert Greenstein           What the fool cannot learn he laughs at, thinking
green@island.com            that by his laughter he shows superiority instead
                            of latent idiocy - M. Corelli
From: dgren@wpi.WPI.EDU (David Gerard Grenache)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Giving Blood! "Gimme that thing, I'll do it myself"
Date: 8 Oct 1992 15:33:13 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
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In article <BvrJL2.3H2@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>
>In my experience it's always been the other way round: the "expert" fumbles
>and the nurse gets it right.  With this sort of motor skill, you don't need
>a postgraduate degree, you need practice.  Most nurses get more of that than
>doctors do.

I believe the term "expert" was in reference to a phlebotomist. A person
who routinely draws blood from patients.

-David
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Sumatriptan
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:46:09 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <16871@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.195659.1533@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD) writes:
> 
>>
>>Do you have any impression about sumatriptan's efficacy and side
>>effect profile in comparison to dihydroergotamine, which is in
>>wide use here and quite a bit less expensive?  Is the inhalable
>>form of DHE available there?
> 
> Supposed to be better.  The inhalable form of DHE is available
> from a pharmacy in Florida (I'll find you the toll-free number
> if you want).  Up to 8 puffs are allowed (nasal spray) per
> attack.  They also make DHE/compazine suppositories to order.
> These are great in patients that respond to DHE injections
> but don't want to come to the ER for them every time.

The inhalable DHE is finally available!  I have several patients
who have been waiting for this.  This is great news.  I wasn't
aware that it worked in suppository form.  How does that compare
to Cafergot PB?  I'm not anticipating that I'll be ordering all
that much sumatriptan.  In the studies I've seen it wasn't any more
effective than DHE but had less nausea as a side effect.  We have
had negligable trouble with that if we premedicate first with 10mg
IV Compazine, which often works by itself without the DHE.  $50 or
so per shot (for sumatriptan) is kind of obscene.

Please send me the number of that pharmacy if you can find it.
From: markr@sound.cts.com (Mark B. Reinhold)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Starting an alternative medicine newsgroup
Keywords: alternative medicine
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:57:56 GMT
Organization: SDCT 1-619-461-3415

dionysia@netlink.cts.com (Dionysia Marqueza) writes:
>         I agree: if the interest in such a group exists, it should be the 
> people who -have- the interest that form it. I, for one, think it would 
> be an *excellent* idea... I just have no idea what to do in order to form 
> such a thing.

It is being done. I saw first RFD? in the news area and have responded
to it.

>         An accurate observation, and one that raises a question in my 
> mind: what exactly -is- it that sets you off? Is it the leaps of logic 
> based on -no- empiric method that some of the alternative community make? 
> Is it having the assumptions (granted, well founded assumptions,) of the 
> current model challenged? Personal disagreement with the premise? I would 
> like to know, just to know... my own biomedical education is at this time 
> incomplete, and is primarily in micro and molecular biology, and 
> ethnobotany with an emphasis in experimental pharmaceuticals... having 
> originally come from a veterinary background... consequently, I am both 
> very curious, and willing to examine some fairly outrageous premises. 
> Even given this, I see the occassional post that just makes me want to 
> -scream- with vexation, it is so poorly examined and thought out. 
> Comments?

I to wonder want is making people react so quickly. One person said
visualization is quackery. Does this mean then that Yale medical school
is a Quack school? They have classes in taught by Dr. Bernie Seigel. I
realize some people think that he is a quack, but his 16 aids pt.s who
were tested HIV postive and are now HIV negative have a different view.
So do all his ECAP pt.s who are experiencing remissions of their cancer.

So do I. I have had a remission of Systemic Lupis now for 21 years.

There is a lot of stuff in the alternative med areas that I would
question greatly. There is a lot of "scientific" medicine that I also
question greatly.
From: brandon@caldonia.nlm.nih.gov (Brandon Brylawski)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: rape and std's
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:10:06 GMT
Organization: National Library of Medicine
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llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:
: a friend of mine was date-raped by a virtual stranger last weekend.
: she's (understandably) pretty freaked out, but she's getting a lot of
: help and support with the emotional side of things; she's got a lot of
: friends and we're all trying to let her talk it out as much as she
: needs to.
: 
: i'm really concerned, though, about the physical side of things. the
: guy used no protection, and i'm wondering how she should go about
: getting tested for various diseases. i know that an aids test won't
: mean anything until several months have gone by, but what else should
: she have herself tested for? is it sufficient to go to planned
: parenthood or some place similar and say "i was raped and i'm worried
: about disease"? is there any length of time she should wait before
: having these tests? is testing even necessary?
: 
: any input will be appreciated. thanks.
: 
: --
: sine nomine
: debbie martinson


I would advocate EITHER getting tested for the commonest venereal diseases,
syphilis, gonorrhea, and chlamydia, or simply obtaining treatment for them 
empirically (an injection of ceftriaxone and doxycycline for 7 days). These tests
should be positive within a week of exposure. Because the test for chlamydia 
occasionally misses some real infections, empiric treatment is a reasonable 
option, in my opinion. It is perfectly reasonable to go to a doctor, planned
parenthood, or the like and ask what to be tested/treated for. If cost is a large
factor, most states/counties have free sexually transmitted disease clinics.
There are other diseases that are spread by sexual contact, notably herpes simplex,
hepatitis, HIV, and others, but none as common and treatable as those above.

Brandon Brylawski
From: ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Cervical Caps (birth-control)
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:01:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23870
Reply-To: ark@alice.UUCP ()
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

In article <67593@cup.portal.com> amigan@cup.portal.com (R Michael Medwid) writes:

> From a male partner perspective they're great.  They don't interfere w/ the
> love making process like the clumsy diaphragm.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that it is extremely important for
the cap to fit properly -- to the extent that gaining or losing 5 pounds
is cause to have it checked.  Perhaps someone who knows for sure can confirm.
-- 
				--Andrew Koenig
				  ark@europa.att.com
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From: rdg@world.std.com (Robin Goldstein)
Subject: Re: balance disorders
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:15:45 GMT

ac10+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alison Rebecca Colman) writes:

>Hello,

>I have a few simple questions. One, do balance disorders exist? If so,
>what are they technically called, and what (in general) causes them? I
>am nether a med student, nor particularly scientificically inclined;
>just some basic information will suffice. Thank you very much in advance
>for any replies -- my address is: ac10@andrew.cmu.edu.

>Cheers,
>Alison Colman

Balance disorders EXIST!  I should know... I have been dealing with my
own for over 17 years.  For information, I STRONGLY recommend you contact
the Vestibular Disorders Association, P.O. Box 4467, Portland, Oregon
97208-4467 Telephone (503) 229-7705 

They put me intouch with a specialist who FINALLY did a full series of
vestibular tests (almost 3 hours) and sent me to a neuroligist who
diagnosed that many of my vestibular problems seem to be related to the
migrane headaches I get (and which were misdiagnosed as sinus headaches
my whole life).

Hope this helps...   Rich G.
-- 
Richard D. Goldstein
Schiller & Kusmer
Patent Attorneys At Law
(617) 227-5454 Telephone
From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Hearing Aids
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:34:05 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

Well, I finally got around to having my hearing tested and as it turns out
I have moderate hearing loss in both ears.  The resulting data shows that
my left ear sits at about 20 HTL dB (ANSI-1969) from 250 Hz up to 1000 Hz
and then drops dramatically to 30 dB at 2kHz and 65 dB at 3kHz.  My right
ear is slightly better:  it sits at 10 dB from 250 Hz to 1kHz, drops to
15 dB at 2kHz, then to 50 dB at 3kHz.

As a result, I have been researching the possibility of hearing aids.  I
have had one dispenser tell me that I will be hard to fit according to the
test results and that a canal-type aid would not work.  A behind-the-ear aid
was recommended, at a cost of $700 (US) per ear.  Another dispenser said that 
a canal-type aid was indicated, at a cost of $1000 per ear, and that a 
behind-the-ear type would not be practical.  Both dispensers are pushing a 
particular brand and model for their own purposes.

My question to the assembled intelligence out there is:  which dispenser is
telling the truth.  Since none of you will be trying to sell me a hearing
aid (I hope!), I trust you to give me the straight dope, as it were.  

Our news feed is extremely erratic right now so I would appreciate it if any
answers would be sent via email to me.  You may also post, if you think that
there might be interest, but if you only post, chances are I won't see it.
Thanks for all the help!


-- 
Alan Hepburn           "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know
National Semiconductor       what you have just found out."
Santa Clara, Ca              
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
From: amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Risks of HTN in late pregnancy; induction
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:15:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1992Oct13.171544.27617
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.

I'm a chronic hypertensive who has experienced a moderate rise in BP
at the 34th week of pregnancy.  Urine tests show some protein but 
a 24 hour collection was OK.  I'm now on bedrest.

What are the risks to the baby from elevated BP?  The dr's and I are
reluctant to raise my BP medicine since it's a calcium channel blocker
(verapamil).  There apparently is some problem with this.

The baby, at 32 weeks was 5 1/4 lbs by ultrasound; so far it has grown
OK.

The other question is that I am likely to be induced a little early.  
The PDR on oxytocin has me terrified.  Is pure HTN without preeclampsia
usually an indication for induction?

I don't care what happens to me as long as the baby is OK!
-- 
Amy Moseley Rupp			Needed:  one witty, appropriate,
amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com		businesslike .sig that will perfectly
(512) 329-7117				reflect my philosophy of life and will
7 weeks and counting			fit in four lines or less.
From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Flu Shot While Pregnant?
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:04:01 GMT
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Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
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In article <1992Oct13.205630.15359@ms.uky.edu>, 
jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson) writes:

|> ....In mild asthmatics I do not
|> recommend the vaccine, in severe asthmatics, I do. 

Do you think that the shot is as dangerous as the disease?

I'm sure the flu shot would be a bad idea for a woman who doesn't 
usually get sick and is therefore unlikely to catch the flu at all. 

However, based on my past experience, I would certainly have caught 
the flu while pregnant if I hadn't had the shot first. Is it your 
opinion that it is wiser to choose to catch the flu than to have the 
flu shot?

To move to a slightly different point: pregnant women typically have 
a higher risk of dying from diseases such as flu than the non-pregnant 
who catch the same diseases. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) Is this 
because of the metabolic strain of pregnancy or the weird effects 
pregnancy may have on the immune system, or is it because of doctors' 
reluctance to treat a pregnant woman, due to their reasonable fear 
of doing more harm than good? 

When a pregnant woman goes to the emergency room, no one will treat her, 
nor will the emergency room personnel even call an obstetrician from 
elsewhere in the hospital to treat her. This is so even when neither 
the problem that brought her in, nor the treatment it may require, has 
anything to do with pregnancy. Several different women of my acquaintance 
have found this out the hard (and frustrating) way.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.ed
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Risks of HTN in late pregnancy; induction
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:50:00 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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Disclaimer: I'm no doc; I'm a college professor.  Take my advice w. a grain of
salt-substitute.

In <1992Oct13.171544.27617@oakhill.sps.mot.com> amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com writes:

> I'm a chronic hypertensive who has experienced a moderate rise in BP
> at the 34th week of pregnancy.  Urine tests show some protein but 
> a 24 hour collection was OK.  I'm now on bedrest.
> 
> What are the risks to the baby from elevated BP?

I believe that, assuming the elevated BP is *not* connected w. preeclampsia, the
risk of elevated BP is to you, more than to the fetus.  Problem is, its VERY
difficult to tell whether its "connected w. preeclampsia" or not.  So
conservative ob/gyn's tend to assume it *is* in such a situation.

> The other question is that I am likely to be induced a little early.  
> The PDR on oxytocin has me terrified.

Hmmmm.  Well, there are lots of good reasons to avoid oxytocin during *routine*
labors & deliveries <it used to be nearly as routine as the enema & pubic
shave> ... but I don't think its worth being "terrified" over.  Oxytocin tends
to make for faster labors, stronger contractions, & somewhat more discomfort on
the part of the birthing mother -- but - hey, its a hormone that's gonna be in
your system anyway when you're in labor (& when you're nursing, too).  Its not
like being given intravenous poison or anything.  You also might get a shot of
it after the delivery, if your uterus isn't firm & contracting.  You may not
want a totally au-naturale, unmedicated (i.e., no analgesia) birth if you are
artificially induced with an oxytocin drip.

> I don't care what happens to me as long as the baby is OK!

Bad attitude!  Kids, from the time they are fetuses, can easily make it seem as
though one's own well-being is far less important than theirs.  Not true.  Both
are important.  Believe me, a kid's best allies are healthy, safe, secure
parents.

Relax; use it as a good excuse to *get ahead* on yr recreational reading (which
you will be behind on from now until your youngest offspring graduates from
college).  Have as many more good weeks of pregnancy as you can.  If your
baby's 5.5 lbs already, it could probably be born now & do OK, but you'd want
it to go closer to term if possible just because its easier & cheaper to grow
it to full-term inside rather than outside the womb.


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Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Treatment for snoring
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:44:07 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Are there any other participants here who treat sleep disorders?
I've been trying to find a tongue retaining device to help my
patients who snore, yet don't have obstructive sleep apnea that
requires CPAP.  There are, I understand, two types.  One requires
fitting by a dentist.  The other doesn't, and may work by advancing
the jaw rather than the tongue, I can't remember.  Has anyone used
these?  How helpful is each kind?  Where can we order the latter
device?
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