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From: bashir@acsu.buffalo.edu (Noushin Bashir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: meaning of success  [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:05:05 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <lipl3cINNg1f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> >>>>>> Anonymous writes:
>
>
>SalAmeh amoo bar shomA,
> 
>with you. The author is anonymous to amoo so please "havAleh" your
>
>successful bAshid,
>
>amoo

Salaamat baashee amoo,

The beautiful piece you brought to our attention was posted on this
newsgroup while back by one of the kind souls whose name I don't
recall, and it's by Ralph Waldo Emerson.

				
				Noushin :)
-- 
From the pain come the dream. From the dream come the vision. From the
vision come the people. And from the people come the power. From this
power come the change. 
					- Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mithra@iran.unet.com (Mithra Lahsaie)
Subject: Re: A humble response to Mojahedins
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:22:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.215458.14043@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb) writes:
>
>The Iranian Imperial Military structure was essentially unable to
>organize and act on its own with the absence of the person of the
>Shah. Tying the military infrastructure, the counter-intelligence
>and SAVAK structure in such a manner was to prevent any potential
>coups or plots against the Shah. The finest evidence of this was 
>the collapse of the half-a-million man army while fighting several
>newly trained homafars and almost non-trained civilians in the 
>streets of Tehran during the four day period of 20/21/22/23 Bahman
>of 1357. I vividly remember the news and the stories and the systematic
>fall of military bases and government establishments. A military
>of that magnitude, with such machinery and firepower, trained 
>and sometimes certified as the best, fell prey to a bunch of
>armed civilians, several "homAfar"s and some khordeh-bacheh's.
>		[rest of the article deleted]


One thing that most of us tend to forget at times, is that our beloved
country IS a third world country.  According to some UN reports our status
was supposed to change, but let's be realistic here.  We're a rich country
which provides the shortest access to the open seas for the then Soviet
Union.  No matter, what we do, we'll always be monitored and controlled by
more powerful nations.  It doesn't matter how big or powerful our military
becomes.  It doesn't matter who's head our soldiers swear to.  When the big guys
say jump, we all better jump or we'll be Bosnia part II.  This is very
unfair, but is very true.  The only thing we can do, is somehow take
advantage of this no end situation.  Of course, Shah's army was under US
influence.  But, as mentioned in the above article, when they failed, they
failed in a very systematic way.  We will never know, but maybe, just
maybe, they where ordered to fail.  If they really wanted to open fire and
kill everyone, they definitely had the training and the ammunition to do so.
Shah led his army down the wrong path and when they needed him most, he left the
country.  But, don't be fooled.  It really didn't matter who's government or
military was in power.  When something is supposed to happen in the third world,
it will happen and nobody can stop the process.  All those brave men who are 
rotting in their graves in Iran and other third world countries, are evidence
to that.

Mithra
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mithra@iran.unet.com (Mithra Lahsaie)
Subject: Re: Nobel prize
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:00:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.153547.16667@eua.ericsson.se> euaamt@eua.ericsson.se (Amir Taheri) writes:
>Last night I watched TV showing the ceremony where they give Nobel prizes to winners. Ofcourse
>it was here in Stockholm like any other year. It was a very nice ceremony to watch. But the 
>best part was to see that the wife of winner of prize in economy (from USA) was Persian.
>
>I think this is the closest we have ever got to a Nobel Prize or??


As Churchill used to say: Behind every successful man is a very supportive
wife! (or something along these lines)
From: arsalan@baron.nldn.albany.edu (Arsalan Saljoughy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Iran/SCI/California/Women
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:39:56 GMT
Organization: National Lightning Detection Network
Originator: arsalan@citation.nldn.albany.edu


Hi every one,

I just returned from California.  It was my first time visiting LA, and
I must confess it is a bang of city!  Specially for iranians... Even though,
I am an occaisional contributor to SCI, some of the regualars went to some
trouble to organize a lunch session in San Fransisco for me to meet some of
the SCI "backbones".  Well, due to scheduling difficulties and so on, it 
didn't materialize this time around.  Though, I really appreciate the effort
and would like to extend my gratitudes to all who participated in that effort.

As some one who left iran fairly young and has since been living in kind of
an iranian free society in upstate NY, I was in many ways positively impressed
by the accomplishnments and strength of characters of many iranians whom I had
the pleasure to meet in LA and SF.   It was particularly pleasant to see how
tolerant and open-minded many iranians are with respect to other people's 
opinions and life styles.  

I am interested in hearing some of your thoughts on devolopment of iranian
culture in the U.S. in comparison to europe, specially where women and women
isuues are concerned.  It was great to see some high quality feminist lit in
persian.  I for one would make every effort to translate some and share them
with some of the faculty at the women studies dept.  

Unfortunately, some of the categorical social bahaviours that I so vividly 
remembered from iran still persist; again specially where the division of sexes
are concerned.  I'd also appreciate some discussion on this issue.  I hope we
can discuss matters as such with some care so that our comments would not
interpreted as insult or admonishment.

Thanks, arsalan
--
From: bxm50@pars.amdahl.com (Ben Mahjoor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Mojahedins on a lighter side
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:43:02 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp




	FACT (As presented by Mojahedins):
	---------------------------------
	"The big deal is that (generally speaking) the more the
						   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	 resistance is recognized the less the regime is recognized." 
	 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	[Excerpts from "RE: Resistance's reps. meet Pres-elect Clinton"
	 signed by Asghar, 16 Dec 1992. The "big deal" refers to
	 the signature collection efforts of Mojahedin, as questioned
	 by an SCI reader].


	ASSUMPTION (Presented by me):
	----------------------------
	The above fact, assuming that Mr. Rajavi is as usual correct,
	implies that when Mojahedin Organization can collect, let's say
	273 million signatures, then the IRI's "recognition" by the 
	world governments will be zero and the Mojahedin's "recognition"
	will be almost infinite (Read the FACT once more).
	In other words, when the great powers of the world will notice
	that anywhere Mr. Rajavi goes, he is followed by about 20 truck
	loads of signatures, then they will immediately sever their
	political and econimical ties with IRI regime. Once this is done,
	Mr. Rajavi will sell all those truck loads of papers to a 
	recycling plan (he has even became an environmentalist, you know !)
	and will use the proceeds to build his beloved "Concentration Camps"
	around Tehran [ quotes on this later ].


	BITTER REALITY (Always a neusance, always uninvited, always unwanted
	by Mr. Rajavi):
	--------------------------------------------------------------------
	In this world many organizations fought or are fighting 
 	for many different casues, just or unjust. Let's see if we can recall 
	one of these organizations who actually collected 273 million 
	signatures for its casue and see how much "recognition" they received. 
	I can recall International Peace Organization who staged a worldwide
	campaign to "elimnate the construction and testing of nuclear 
	weapons" in 1950. This organization ACTUALLY collected 273 Million
	signatures and presented them to their final international congress
	held in Stockholm in March 1950. After the congress, all those 
	"valuable" signatures were sent to United Nations, the meeting place
	of Mojahedins these days.  What came of all those 
	signatures ? The bitter reality is that 273 million signatures
	didn't even delay the "construction and testing of nuclear weapons" 
	for half an hour, let alone "eliminating" them !! 
	Now, our dear Mojahedins are following the same steps of above
	organization, hoping to held the second place in the Book of Records.
	I must say:

		tarsam naresi be Kaabe ei aarAbi
			kin rah ke to miravi be TorkestAn ast !!



	CONCLUSION:
        -----------

	Earth to Mojahedin ! Earth to Mojahedins..come in please !


			- Behnam
	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz)
Subject: Re: emtehAneh rAnandegi #1.... [sci-poster]
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 00:38:38 GMT

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From: karim@hp835.mitek.com (Karim Sharif)
Subject: Re: AIDS in Iran
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:05:25 GMT

In article <e0ut02PB2eIh01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> bxm50@pars.amdahl.com (Ben Mahjoor) writes:
>> 
>> Maybe, one of the best ways to control this problem from entering Iran
>> is to test everyone, who enters Iran.  If one found to be positive,
>> she/he should be sent to quarantine, in case he/she is Iranian, otherwise
>> deny entery to him/her.  Other measure could be mandatory Aids testing
>> of all the people on the yearly bases, and infected people should be send
>> to quarantine.  I know it is expensive, but it is effective.
>> 
>> Finally, maybe a High tax (some where around %90 of income) on all the 
>> un-married people over 21 could force our people to lower their expectations 
>> and get married.  This money should be returned to them if they get married
>> within 3 years.  Off course, this might lead to high divorce rate.  Therefor,
>> the marriages that last less than 10 years, should return all the previous
>> years tax reduction and repay signal tax rate (%90) for all those years.
>> Also, other social privileges of a signal person might be subject to
>> suspension, such as drivers license, ..., if this does not reduce the
>> signal rate over 21 by  %90.  I guess, someone should become bad again,
>> to save our society.
>> 
>>                       With highest regards,
>>                             Babak   Sehari.
>
>
>And finally, if all above measures proved ineffective, we shold execute
>all unmarried males under 60 years old, solve the problem once and for all
>and start importing children from Bangladesh. 
>
>I recommend this gentleman for the 1993 Noble prizes in economics and
>social issues.
>
>
>                      - Behnam

 -------------> He gets my vote for sure.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: satan666 <khoda@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: !!!Satan:"Khanem Javad is a HYPOCRITE! And an old SAVAK spy!"!!!
Originator: bbs@halcyon.com
Keywords: khoda, sheytAn
Organization: khAneh khodA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:40:06 GMT
Comments: ?

satan <satan666@halcyon.com> writes:

> 
>  After reading that old exile's, Khanem Javad, words on free sex in Iran, 
> I wished he go to any group of Iranians and repeat what he said. He cries 
> about how the IRI won't let him express his stupid ass views, but if you
> remember why you haven't heard me for quite a while you know that I 
> personally know that he is a pussy mutherfucker who's full of shit! 
> Khanem Javad and an assortted band of non-Iranians, pro-Shah supporters, 
> and a few namards went to the system administrator of the University of 
> Houston and complained that I was the only one on SCI using profanity, 
> bunch of fucking lies! Well, they took away my Unix account, so I could't 
> compile my FORTRAN programs, so I failed the class. This cause me a lot 
> of grief, but this forced me to improve my communication skills to be 
> able to post once again. But I couldn't believe that another Iranian 
> could do that to another Iranian! That's why I respect black people, 
> because even if one of them is wrong they still stick together no matter 
> what, Kurds do the same thing. So Khanem Javad who the fuck are you going 
> to cry to now? Huh, bitch?!
> 
> P.S.
>  What happen to Seyyed and Ali Baba since my unfortunate departure?
> 
> P.S.S.
>  If you agree with me, please send a copy of this to Khanem Javad and 
> post your views.
> 
> "I may not agree with your views, but I will give my life to defend 
> them!"
>                                                             Voltare
> 
> Satan.


Shut up sheytoon. God doesn't wish to see your posts
any more. If you don't listen to me, I will recall
you. Go on with your life and repeat the fortran
course.

And if you think you can use the so-called "backdoors",
God can too.

                With highest regards,
                KhodA ye Bozorg
From: 00h0maleki@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iran/SCI/California/
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:53:01 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1992Dec18.183956.24979@sarah.albany.edu>, arsalan@baron.nldn.albany.edu (Arsalan Saljoughy) writes:
> 
> Hi every one,
> 
> I just returned from California.  It was my first time visiting LA, and
> I must confess it is a bang of city!  Specially for iranians... Even though,
> I am an occaisional contributor to SCI, some of the regualars went to some
> trouble to organize a lunch session in San Fransisco for me to meet some of
> the SCI "backbones".  Well, due to scheduling difficulties and so on, it 
> didn't materialize this time around.  Though, I really appreciate the effort
> and would like to extend my gratitudes to all who participated in that effort.
> 
> As some one who left iran fairly young and has since been living in kind of
> an iranian free society in upstate NY, I was in many ways positively impressed
> by the accomplishnments and strength of characters of many iranians whom I had
> the pleasure to meet in LA and SF.   It was particularly pleasant to see how
> tolerant and open-minded many iranians are with respect to other people's 
> opinions and life styles.  
> 
> I am interested in hearing some of your thoughts on devolopment of iranian
> culture in the U.S. in comparison to europe, specially where women and women
> isuues are concerned.  It was great to see some high quality feminist lit in
> persian.  I for one would make every effort to translate some and share them
> with some of the faculty at the women studies dept.  







> 
> Unfortunately, some of the categorical social bahaviours that I so vividly 
> remembered from iran still persist; again specially where the division of sexes
> are concerned.  I'd also appreciate some discussion on this issue.  I hope we
> can discuss matters as such with some care so that our comments would not
> interpreted as insult or admonishment.
> 
> Thanks, arsalan
> --
From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re; To fans of babak  [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:00:40 GMT
Organization: Notgheh MajjAni, Inc.
Distribution: world
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From: bxm50@pars.amdahl.com (Ben Mahjoor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Women's Position
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:08:05 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp.

> 
> The whole notion of Iranian women not being "active" and not "struggling for
> their rights" is a twisted representation of Iranian history.
> Women began publishing their own journals in the aftermath of the 
> constitutional revolution in 1906-1911. Some of these publications were 
> exclusively concerned  with "women's rights" and others were also concerned 
> with more "nation building" issues and such.  When you say Iranian women have
>  never struggled for their rights, then how do you think female education 
> was started?  or the right to vote? 
> 
> - naghmeh

Dear Naghme:
Twisted representation means that someone "knows" the truth but for 
some personal reasons is twisting it. I stated my own opinion and will
change it the moment someone presents me some facts that it is wrong.
Anyway, I stated that the 20th century history of Iran does not recall
a "mentionable" women's strugle for freedom and justice (i.e. right to
vote, right to be elected, right to be educated, etc.). If, in your
opinion, an obscure publication of magazine is a "mentionable" strugle
then you have to provide us with some histroical facts, like at 1906-11
what percentage of Iranians population could actually read, what 
percentage were women, and what movements (if any) started in Iran as a
direct result of that magazine. etc. etc. etc.
But do you really believe such publications
caused the woman to gain their rights ? started the "women's education" ?
Strugle to gain rights and freedom by a minority in a country in a classic
sense means that the government was either ignoring that particular 
minority's rights or was not ready to oblige to those rights. That
minority (being women or else) organized committees, demonstrations,
publications, classes, etc. to educate the majority and hence in time 
(and not overnight) force the government to recognize their rights. This 
was done in Europe and US and still is going on. Do you really think that 
Iranian women gained their rights during Pahlavi's regime this way ? I can't 
recall of such movement and may be I am missing something. The fact that
such a strugle did not exist does not imply at all that the women were at
fault in this matter and and such a strugle "must" have occured.  This is 
completly another issue.

Again, in my humble opinion  the right to be educated, to vote, to be 
elected, etc. etc.  were given to women by Pahlavi regime and this is a 
historical fact whether one likes that regime or not. And again, IMHO,
the true, historical and absolutly mentionable strugle of women for 
freedom and justice started as soon as the darkest period of our 
history began when Akhoond and Mollas took power. 

               - Behnam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: bAdA bAdA ... (was Re: An answer to Javad)
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 23:51:58 GMT

sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>
>   [...]
>
>First of all, we are thinking to go permanent soon.  Why do you think,
>we have not tested before we started more than 4 years ago?

So you finally got the pink slip (pun intended :-), eh?


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>                        With highest regards,
>                             Babak   Sehari.

    --mack
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