HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel)
Subject: Re: Bowling, was Re: Bridesmaid Dress- help
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:34:48 GMT

In article <106016@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>
>>Art forms I'd like not to see, #419:  Abstract bowling.
>                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Inquiring minds definitely want to know more about this.  Is this like
>synchronized swimming, only with a ball and ten pins?  The imagination 
>boggles ...

I was envisioning a bowling alley, only instead of lanes that are nice
straight lines, they go off at random alleys.  Instead of pins, there
are small Jackson Pollack paintings.  

If one is going to pursue the playable and interesting, I personally
recommend Black Tie Miniature Golf as an excellent excuse to be silly in
nice clothing. 

Miriam Nadel
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: bjork@telebit.com (Steven Bjork)
Subject: Bowling, was Re: Bridesmaid Dress- help
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:33:54 GMT

In article <106016@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:

>>Art forms I'd like not to see, #419:  Abstract bowling.
>                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Inquiring minds definitely want to know more about this.  Is this like
>synchronized swimming, only with a ball and ten pins?  The imagination 
>boggles ...

Done by those that, when they make a strike, spike the bowling ball.

../Steven sometimes a bit surreal
From: tonyd@lclark.edu (Anthony Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Video Games And The Devil
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:44:13 GMT
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1993Jan27.173849.3157@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc2mlh@dct.ac.uk (Matt Haswell) writes:
>Come on, where's the other messages?
>
>.
>.
>.
>
>I recently heard that some Christian Fanatics were trying to get video games
>banned bacause they "lead you to the Devil's path". Have they tried playing
>them? Somehow I doubt that Krusty's Fun House is going to destroy me, and
>make me into an empty shell!
>
>They say the games promote violence? They usually release it! On the few cases
>they drag up about violent crimes inspired by games, it is usually the other
>way round where they were violent BEFORE they started playing...or have
>problems at home because of their parents.
>
>What do you lot think?
>
>-- 
>********************************************************************************
>Matt Haswell.....Student at DIT                 Janet : mcsdc2mlh@dct.ac.uk
>********************************************************************************

well... video games can be problematic... all of that visual stimulation with
no real content has a hypnotic/somnolent effect on people... the children
that have grown up with nintendo are a different species of humanity...

but violence? usually the heavy vid users are so busy playing the games that
they have no time for violent behavior...

people who kill people and blame video games are just as pathetic as those
who blame d&d, twinkies, or anything else...

or god...

other times,

tonyd
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: kk@nic.funet.fi (Kimmo Koistinen)
Subject: Re: Some views about satanism
Organization: Finnish University and ResearcH Network, FUNET
	<1jia9fINN6o9@titan.ucs.umass.edu>
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:01:38

> that "common sense" does not apply to "microscopic" systems. Bell's Theorem
> is pretty much bulletproof in this respect. Second off, what
> does your statement #1 have to do with his statement? 
 
  Well, what I mean was that what you just expressed there - microscopic systems don't work like human logic. I am studying physics, although not in extremely
advanced level (yet)but I agree that some basic things work like human logic, 
like general mechanics and statics. 

  I
  I  - Dominus
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From: alex@bilver.uucp (Alex Matulich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: What do you think of Xtianity?
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:43:27 GMT
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL

910773f@axe.acadiau.ca (HEATHER LEE FYFFE) writes:
>scoons@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (SM Coons) writes:
>
>>I posted several questions here a couple of days ago and didn't get the kind
>>of response I had hoped.

I'm not surprised.  Read on....

>>I am asking various groups including christians, 
>>non-christians, atheists, satanists, etc, on their perceptions of
>>christians and christianity.  So what I am asking of you is to e-mail me

>I would also appreciate receiving letters on this subject... you can say 
>whatever you want, I wanna know!

All right, here it is in a nutshell:

===>>>  Why do you care what other people think?  <<<===

I think part of the reason for the lack of response you observe is that
non-christians, atheists, satanists, etc. DO NOT CARE at all what
Christians think of them, and therefore do not feel any desire nor reason to
satisfy Christians' need to validate themselves.

Ergo, not many non-Christians, atheists, satanists, etc. will be interested
in responding to your request.

-- 
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 /(+__>  Unicorn Research Corp, 4621 N Landmark Dr, Orlando, FL 32817
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From: esuqs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr W J Lynn)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Video Games And The Devil
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:50:54 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mace.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <1k8s19INN20k@catnip.cis.ohio-state.edu> amueller@cis.ohio-state.edu (andrew j mueller) writes:

>>I recently heard that some Christian Fanatics were trying to get video games
>>banned bacause they "lead you to the Devil's path". Have they tried playing
>>them? Somehow I doubt that Krusty's Fun House is going to destroy me, and
>>make me into an empty shell!
>>
>>They say the games promote violence? They usually release it! On the few cases
>>they drag up about violent crimes inspired by games, it is usually the other
>>way round where they were violent BEFORE they started playing...or have
>>problems at home because of their parents.
>>
>>What do you lot think?

>	I think it's more bible freak bullshit. I just finished reading
>	"painted black", where the author tries to connect rock with
>	SATAN. get a life.

Please don't tar all of us christians with the same brush.
So you found some guy who's determined to get at anybody fullstop...
but i remember not so long ago that some Satanist was posting in here
saying about blood drinking and stupid sacrifices.
If i was to tar you all with this brush you would get very upset.

Warren.
--

|warren@dcs.warwick.ac.uk/esuqs@csv.warwick.ac.uk/cstadcl@csv.warwick.ac.uk|
| If you cannot stand      |      /  _  _  _     This is how we know what  |
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| and neither are you.     |/ |//  || \| \|_|  | us.    1 John 3:16        |
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Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: radinsky@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Radinsky)
Subject: Re: Some views about satanism
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:46:33 GMT

kk@nic.funet.fi (Kimmo Koistinen) writes:
>>> Metaphor no doubt.  Took the standard propaganda at face value is what I
>>> got out of his statement.
> 
> 
>> I would tend to agree (but I'd like to hear what Kimmo himself says).
> 
> Well,  what I mean by the "god said" it was christian belief that Bible is
> the word of God.  So,  my logic was then - what the Bible said -> what the
> God said.

Ah,  so you didn't rely on  the propaganda,  other people's interpretations.
You realize, the Bible =can't= be taken literally. Some parts of it can, but
not the whole Bible. It has to be interpreted.

>> I'm going to try it.  I'll decide afterwards if it's silly.  Why should I
>> care if you think it's silly?   (What  do  =you=  care  what other people
>> think?) Do you just reverse the words, or do you reverse all the letters?
> 
> Reverse the words. Something like this:
> 
> "Our Father which art in Hell, hallowed be Thy name.  Thy kingdom is come,
> Thy will is done, on earth as it is in Hell!"

You  reverse  the  sense  of  the  words...  I was under the impression  you
reversed the =order= of the words.   (Like how Satanists are supposed to put
backwards lyrics on records).

Hell in is it as earth on,  done is will Thy, come is kingdom Thy.  Name Thy
be hallowed, Hell in art which Father Our.

Lleh ni si ti sa htrae no, enod si lliw Yht, emoc si modgnik Yth.  Eman Yht
eb dowolloh, Lleh ni tra hcihw Rehtaf ruo.

Peace on Earth, and Good Will toward Satanists,

\/\/aynesville

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: an8222@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Tstola
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.satanism
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:12:53 GMT


This is a testaroo to check me privacy

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From: mimir@hardy.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: liberation
Date: 23 Jan 1993 07:00:31 GMT
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article <727432993.AA04839@urchin.fidonet.org> NaChaSh@f74.n396.z1.fidonet.org (NaChaSh) writes:
>
>We have a large Chaos magick file area here at the Black Eidolon of 
>Yog-Sothoth.

 93 NaChaSh! It's ME! Grendel! Fancy meeting you here.

 The stuff on the FTP site that someone was mentioning is the SAME stuff
you have on your BBS. It is basically most of the stuff from my own BBS,
which I orignally got from your BBS and a few others...

 93!

 Grendel Grettisson


Organization: Masters student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:56:43 -0500 
From: Matthew A Kagle <mk52+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Religious unification?

For awhile, as a Jew, it has always bothered me that my religion has
been called part of the Judeo-Christian religion.  I guess the theory is
that these two religions sprung from the same mythology.  Does that mean
that Jews and Christians are part of the Judeo-Christian-Satanic
beliefs?  Same mythology...
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka)
Subject: Re: What is a Christian?
Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:12:02 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24


      I had nothing better to do, so I decided to pester the planet with
my moronities again...

In <1jl2eeINNq0b@rave.larc.nasa.gov> carl_aude.nesbmail@qmgate.larc.nasa.gov 
writes:
<a lotta things, but my eyes only fell on this one phrase>

> The Son Reings!

      Are we to assume the son got pissed at his father for knockin' 'im
off mafia-style, using them romans for unpaid hitmen, and stole said
father's kingdom to get even? >:->

      Seriously, I should get myself a hobby...

-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-
 If you think I'm gonna be responsible for this crap, you're madder than I am.
    "No logic here today / Do as you got to, Go your own way..." -- G 'n' R
     ===>The Truth is still the Truth, even if you choose to ignore it.<===
From: mcsdc2mlh@dct.ac.uk (Matt Haswell)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Video Games And The Devil
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:38:49 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

Come on, where's the other messages?

.
.
.

I recently heard that some Christian Fanatics were trying to get video games
banned bacause they "lead you to the Devil's path". Have they tried playing
them? Somehow I doubt that Krusty's Fun House is going to destroy me, and
make me into an empty shell!

They say the games promote violence? They usually release it! On the few cases
they drag up about violent crimes inspired by games, it is usually the other
way round where they were violent BEFORE they started playing...or have
problems at home because of their parents.

What do you lot think?

-- 
********************************************************************************
Matt Haswell.....Student at DIT                 Janet : mcsdc2mlh@dct.ac.uk
********************************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: scoons@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (SM Coons)
Subject: What do you think of Xtianity?
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:55:57 GMT

I posted several questions here a couple of days ago and didn't get the kind
of response I had hoped.  So I will explain what I am doing more completely
and if you choose not to respond this time I will go away.

I lead a college fellowship group and we are doing a study on what it means
to be a christian.  I am asking various groups including christians, 
non-christians, atheists, satanists, etc, on their perceptions of
christians and christianity.  So what I am asking of you is to e-mail me
with what you think of christians and christianity.  I got one letter that
said christians are self-righteous, narrow-minded, ignorant assholed who
never think for themself.  If thats what you think please let me know.  

I would also be interested to hear what you think is wrong with christianity,
why you are a satanist as opposed to christianity, or if there might be 
something you actually like about christianity.  Basically what I want is any
reactions, perceptions, observations, etc, that you have about christians
and christianity, no matter how rude, offensive, honest, or whatever.

Thank you for your time.
-Shawn Coons
scoons@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucs.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN)
Subject: European Satanists
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:46:11 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucs.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

The American Satanist groups "Temple of Set" and "Church of Satan" are well
known, and I think I have a decent grip on the structure & ideas of the 
American satanist subculture.
 
I am curious about any European Satanist groups or organizations. ANything
about european satanist groups, experiences, sociology, history, books etc 
would be greatly appreciated (Also needed for the FAQ file).
reply via post or mail
thanx in adv.

-Scott


Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: iskurtz@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Stefan Kurtz)
Subject: Re: Some views about satanism
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:11:55 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

In article <C0wLst.E21@informatik.uni-muenchen.de>, schreibe@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Matthias Schreiber) writes:
|> JESUS IS ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!
|> and he loves YOU! and he died for you, so that Satan has no
|> right on you!
|> I'll pray for you...
|>                                 ...Matthias

Oh - these bavarians prophets out there...

cu,
Stefan.
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:25:43 IST
From: <X67107@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Solomon-Seals

Yo ppl does anyone have a copy of the seals.... greater or lesser????
 If you could Email it.....that would be nice
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From: kk@nic.funet.fi (Kimmo Koistinen)
Subject: Re: Some views about satanism
Organization: Finnish University and ResearcH Network, FUNET
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:17:36

>> Metaphor no doubt.  Took the  standard  propaganda at face value is what I
>> got out of his statement.
 
> I would tend to agree (but I'd like to hear what Kimmo himself says).
 
  Well, what I mean by the "god said" it was christian belief that Bible is
the word of God. So, my logic was then - what the Bible said -> what the
God said.
 
> I'm going to try it. I'll decide afterwards if it's silly. Why should I care
> if you think it's silly?   (What do =you= care what other people think?)  Do
> you just reverse the words, or do you reverse all the letters?
 
  Reverse the words. Something like this:
 
  "Our Father which art in Hell, hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom is come,
   Thy will is done, on earth as it is in Hell!"
 
                                 (quote from Satanic Rituals by A. LaVey)
 
  My idea was then to make prayers to be opposite of christian prayers.
Actually when looking at the ritual "Black mass" I see some connections.
 
  However, I don't recommend it. Although you will be in quite strange mood
for a while... at least I was ;-).
 
> Second,   I  was pointing out  that  he  couldn't  argue  physics  (or  "the
> universe")  doesn't  work  according  to  human logic on the grounds that we
> don't know it all. That's all.
 
  Damn, how come it come to this... me arguing about physics. Well, I'll give
a try ;-).
 
  There is some logic in certain levels, but the most recent discoveries about
physics in microscopic (and smaller) level show that there is no formula to
calculate some things that happen, or at least: WHY they happen. Perhaps this
is more essential question. Why.
 
> Sorry Kimmo -- I had not suspected mistranslations.
 
  Thank you. I'll skip some of the physics questions for a later review. I have
been busy lately, because I'm setting up my BBS to receive Usenet newsgroups.
I have already set them up, so from now on: my mail address is:
 
root@taverna.nullnet.fi
 
  I
  I  - Dominus
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From: royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: satan-ouiga_board
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:33:25 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1993Jan21.203430.5674@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> sosc1081@wc11.writer.yorku.ca (Neeraj Nand) writes:

>I have  used a Ouija board with a group of six friends many times.  (six  
>because 666 stands for satan).

No? Really?

We used the board on Halloween night in  
>the middle of a cemetary. Honestly, you might think that this is just a  
>story but we were all actually there.  We waited till exactly 12 midnight  
>to try it.  We all sat down on the ground between two graves with our legs  
>crossed and our knees touching.

Gee, I'm scared, just to think about it...

>Personally I am a follower of Satan. 

And want makes you think he wants you to follow him?

[Other stupid nonsense deleted]

Gee, guys, looks like the Teenage Mutant Ninja Satanists are invading the Net
once again; (sigh).

It is depressing to read posts like this one; reminds you that whatever you think,
whatever you maintain is true, some some pre-pubescent kid will come and show
you that the reality is much more moronic than you thought.

It is at times like these I want to become a buddhist...

Hey, kid, BTW; I've got bad news for you:
                        I spoke to Satan this morning and he doesn't like you.

(I admit it, it is VERY freely adapted from O.O.)

As for not, revealing your name, though luck; you maybe forgot that the Net writes
it for you!

I hope you liked the flame, kid; there is a lot down there, so better get used to it.

-- 
Daniel Roy, of the "Voyageurs sans Permis"			CARPE DIEM!!

"A man's science is another man's magic; 
 for all I know, Merlin was a physicist."
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: carl_aude.nesbmail@qmgate.larc.nasa.gov (Carl Aude)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: What is a Christian?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 02:40:14 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: c.w.aude@larc.nasa.gov (Carl Aude)
NNTP-Posting-Host: aude.larc.nasa.gov

scoons@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (SM Coons) writes:
>Howdy all!  I am doing a bit of research for a college group I am in and 
>would like anyone and everyone to answer a few questions for me.
>
>1.  What is the defintion of a Christian?
As a Christian I will give you a defintion. 
A Christian is a person that chooses to accept Jesus' gift of forgiveness, bought on the cross, and in so 
doing walks with Jesus. 
But it is not, accepting His gift of forgiveness just in case Jesus is God, but rather in realizing He Is 
God!

>2.  What are some things that people do that makes one not a Christian?
I is not what you do that gives you this gift of forgiveness, (you don't earn gifts). If fact Paul writes, 
"that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in 
Christ Jesus our Lord !"
But I enjoy nothing more than pleasing Jesus, who has the name above all names!

>Thank you for your time.
No problem, you feel free to ask again for your project.
---------------------------------------------------
 c.w.aude@larc.nasa.gov (Carl Aude)
The Son Reings!
From: 910773f@axe.acadiau.ca (HEATHER LEE FYFFE)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: What do you think of Xtianity?
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:53:35 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

In article <1993Jan22.035557.1705@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> scoons@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (SM Coons) writes:
>From: scoons@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (SM Coons)
>Subject: What do you think of Xtianity?
>Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:55:57 GMT

>I posted several questions here a couple of days ago and didn't get the kind
>of response I had hoped.  So I will explain what I am doing more completely
>and if you choose not to respond this time I will go away.

>I lead a college fellowship group and we are doing a study on what it means
>to be a christian.  I am asking various groups including christians, 
>non-christians, atheists, satanists, etc, on their perceptions of
>christians and christianity.  So what I am asking of you is to e-mail me
>with what you think of christians and christianity.  I got one letter that
>said christians are self-righteous, narrow-minded, ignorant assholed who
>never think for themself.  If thats what you think please let me know.  

>I would also be interested to hear what you think is wrong with christianity,
>why you are a satanist as opposed to christianity, or if there might be 
>something you actually like about christianity.  Basically what I want is any
>reactions, perceptions, observations, etc, that you have about christians
>and christianity, no matter how rude, offensive, honest, or whatever.

>Thank you for your time.
>-Shawn Coons
>scoons@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu

I too am a leader (though not _the_ leader) of a college fellowship group, 
and I would also appreciate receiving letters on this subject... you can say 
whatever you want, I wanna know!

-Heather Fyffe
910773f@axe.acadiau.ca
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: henderso@netcom.com (Mark Henderson)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Xtianity?
Organization: Netcom
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:59:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.035557.1705@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> scoons@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (SM Coons) writes:
>
>I would also be interested to hear what you think is wrong with christianity,
>why you are a satanist as opposed to christianity, or if there might be 
>something you actually like about christianity.  Basically what I want is any
>reactions, perceptions, observations, etc, that you have about christians
>and christianity, no matter how rude, offensive, honest, or whatever.
First, I hope that you've read the FAQ.

The thing that makes this so hard to answer is your assumption that
most Satanists made a choice between Satanism and Christianity.

Somehow I doubt this. I personally came to be a satanist after years 
of being an atheist. So my choice was between satanism and atheism.

Why am I not a christian? Most simply, I don't believe in the god that 
the christians worship. I understand that is a prerequisite. 

Mark
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henderso@netcom.com
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