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From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Solution to the Candidates of the Republic of Great Britiain
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:34:26 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <N59BwB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
> 
> Mr Wilcox, would you please step up as a candidate for the British Presidency
> 
Well if you insist. But I don't *want* to be president so *please* don't shoot
me. If no one else comes forward I suppose I'll do it.

-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   For Sale: Posts in British Government. Suit
wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk    |   outgoing American. Highest bids accepted.
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Solution to the Candidates of the Republic of Great Britiain
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 06:04:57 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Sorry, that should be Britain.

Put anyone who wants to be GB President in front of a firing squad and if the
person survives without medical attention, let them stand.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Solution to the Candidates of the Republic of Great Britiain
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 06:21:57 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:

- Does this mean that you're cutting N. Ireland loose?  Might as well
- dream big if you're going to dream, I suppose.

  Right, Civil War to bring down the Irish, really smart *;-(
NOT a good idea.

-
- Dave sweetie, if you keep on cackling like that we'll start lining
- up for the eggs.

  Then again, I am sitting on a massive nuclear stockpile waiting to see
action.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Green cards
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:15:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.203528.1399@pixel.kodak.com> dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>zoran siveski fac ee (zoran@hertz.njit.edu) wrote:
>> In article <1992Dec17.215840.21427@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ckp2n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Christina Powell) writes:
>> >
>> >P.S.  Don't plan on getting your wallet stolen.  INS will treated
>> >YOU like the criminal.  I had to take my mom to deal with them in
>> >just such a situation, and up to the time she decided to become
>> >an American citizen (1989, about 9 years after the theft), she got
>> >hassles about it.
>>
>> Rather don't plan on carrying your "green card" with you (unless you
>> travel abroad, of course.) You are not required by the law to do it.

	Funny that, when I was processing through immigration, I was told
	that when my green card arrived that I was required to carry it
	at all times.  The amiable Texan chappie told me this in capital
	letters.

	Alec

>>
>Please elaborate.  My understanding was that it was a requirement, or at
>the very least advisable in case of encounters with authorities.  I once
>had to produce it for a police officer when he asked for ID.  He verified
>my ID from a driver's license and then asked to see the card once he heard
>my accent.
>
>--
>||------------------------------------------------------------------------
>||Dave Jones (dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com)|Eastman Kodak Co. Rochester, NY  |


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: British Flags and Chritmas Wishes
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:49:59 GMT

From article <BzrzLK.8xG@srgenprp.sr.hp.com>, by patk@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney):
> 
> It wasn't the Spanish fascists who had a red & black flag, but the
> Spanish Anarchists of the FAI/CNT. The flag was red and black diagonally.
> The original Anarchist flag was black, but assumed a red bit after
> after anarchism began to find influence among European industrial
> workers. I believe the black flag was adopted again by the anarchists
> of Nestor Makhno's peasant army in the Ukraine after the Russian
> Revolution.
> 
An anarchist (FAI) flag has always been black, the red/black flag is that of
the anarcho-syndacalist movement (CNT).

														GW
From: .
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: huh?
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:05:41 GMT
Organization: .
Originator: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com

....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: vince@bme.ri.ccf.org (Geoff Vince)
Subject: Leicester Polytechnic
Organization: Biomedical Engineering, Cleveland Clinic Foundation
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:41:42 GMT

I've just heard that Polytechnics have now become Universities!  Does anyone 
know the "new" name for Leicester Polytechnic?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Green cards etc
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:07:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.131927.23018@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec25.182958.18396@informix.com>, proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes...
>
>>If and when the US slips into a fascist dictatorship, they will
>>certainly have plenty of trained personnel ready to administer
>>martial law ...
>
>The new style "Green Card" has your fingerprint on it. Why does the
>US treat immigrants like the UK treats criminals?
>
>Craig
>      (no social security number and intending to keep it that way)

My birth certificate has my fingerprints and footprints on it.
So?

If it bothers you, by all means, try very hard not to come over here.
(We seem to be fully stocked in the whining white people department
anyway)

Hope that helps.
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Studying Meteorology in the UK
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:20:25 GMT
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

In article <9T3kwB2w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) writes:

>I thought the weather report was always the same in Canada-- cold and 
>snowy!

No, that's only in the winter.  In the summer, it's warm and snowy.
From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Robertson's Golly Badges.
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:58:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <BzpnpK.99M@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk> ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis) writes:
>In the referenced article, casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes:
>>I didn't know you had whining and wanking about "political correctness" in
>>the U.K. too.  Pity.
>
>No, I'm not sure that we have these precious commodities.  But we do
>have derogatory sarcasm, which often appears in this Newsgroup.  It
>always saddens me slightly when things are suddenly declared anathema.
>Especially when the supposed reasons were totally invisible to me when
>I was a child.  I get the feeling that something has been lost, but I
>can't quite decide exactly what that something is.
>-- 
>Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
>D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk

The Empire, perhaps? Some of us, as children, did find the
Robertson's golly offensive -- for reasons that were very visible
(not to mention audible).
-- 
____________________________________________________________________
Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Import/Export Research
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 12:21:02 GMT


In article <1992Dec28.000503.2249@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes...
>Hello all,
> 
>	We are doing research on various items that international countries
>would be interested in exporting and importing.  The items can consist of
>anything from clothing to large machines.  Of course, they must be a legal
>product to enter and exit the different countries.  These are some questions 
>that we are trying to find the answers to:
> 

I'm considering setting up an Import/Export business in Edinburgh to
sell imports at sensible prices rather than the ridiculous rip off prices
the UK consumer typically gets charged.

i.e. UK price   US equivalent   Actual US
CDs   #12        $18+           $10-$14
Levis #40+       $60+           $20-30
Petrol#2.50      $4             $1.40 (allowing for different gallon sizes)
etc etc etc, the list could go on very long indeed.
It's about 10% cheaper to buy malt whisky in the alchohol-consious US
that it is at the distillery in Scotland where it's made!

Hopefully once people start realising how much they're getting ripped off
in the UK then prices generally will come down and we might have a much
more consumer conscious society here.

Please drop me a line at:
Craig Cockburn
34 Baker Street
Reading
Berks
England
RG1 7XY

I'll arrange for mail forwarding from next week when I move to Edinburgh.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: yankee behind the wheel
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:06:30 GMT

In article <199221.4296.21536@dosgate> "barry ross" <barry.ross@canrem.com> writes:
>
>With  the solid link with the continent(Euro Tunnel),  I  thought
>you British would have to become civilized and drive on the RIGHT
>side  of  the road.  Or does the tunnel only support  trains?   I
>have  seen  some  information  on the tunnel,  but  I  am  really
>clue less.
>---

Clueless?  Then you need ClueTool!  I'll send it to you whenever we
get finished writing it.  

But seriously, I don't see any reason why the UK needs to alter its road 
habits just because of the Chunnel.  It's not like there aren't easy
workarounds to the problem.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Subject: Re: A DIARY OF DISGRACE
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 12:21:50 EST

In article <1992Dec21.002956.56246@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> hra2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Hibatur Rahman Ahmad) writes:

>February 1992 -- Serbian forces opened a campaign of aggression against
>the former region of Yugoslavia called Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Proving, yet again, that you cannot freeze history.

>Throughout June -- Relentless Serb shelling continued to reduce beautiful old
>Sarajevo to rubble. What did the world do?

Nothing, unfortunately.  At the very least, the leaders of the West should
have sent Serbia a telegram:

	ON TO CONSTANTINOPLE, AND MAY GOD BE WITH YOU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.europe,alt.internet.services,uk.telecom,alt.bbs.internet,alt.bbs.lists,uk.net
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Solution to the Candidates of the Republic of Great Britiain
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:16:47 GMT

In article <N59BwB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>
>- In article <Xuk9VB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
>- > Sorry, that should be Britain.
>- >
>- > Put anyone who wants to be GB President in front of a firing squad and if t
>- > person survives without medical attention, let them stand.
>- >
>-
>- Oh goody goody goody. Can we do the same with the Royal Family? Pleeeeeze?
>
>Mr Wilcox, would you please step up as a candidate for the British Presidency
>

Whoa, kids.  Democracy is not for amateurs - and the above exchange
shows why it shouldn't be attempted at home without proper parental
supervision.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 10:30:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.191314.6805@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>>(or, three leopards passant gardant gules) are for England, and
>>as you say appear in two quarters; the others hold the scots
>>lion (or, a lion rampant gules in trefoil contrefoil gules) and
>
>Double tressure floried gules, actually. Meaning a double
>border which doesn't actually touch the edge, with fleur-de-lis
>sticking out of it, all in red. And the arms of England are
>gules, three lions passant gardant or - as you've described it,
>it would be red lions on a gold background (I am not sure about
>the leopards - I think you may be right that it can be correct
>to describe a lion passant gardant as a leopard in heraldry,
>but I couldn't say for certain).
>
>Matthew Huntbach



Actually, the tressure on the Scottish lion flag is a "double tressure flory,
counterflory" which means that some of the blossoms face out, and some inward.
The blossoms are fleur de lis, and the whole thing was an "honor" from the
French supposedly, once upon a time...

The lions are indeed sometimes called leopards when in that position.

Suze
trifid@agora.rain.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Gerry prayer corner and Berlin brick walls
Date: 26 Dec 92 01:22:19 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <1992Dec23.091338.1014@sei.cmu.edu> firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.025007.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>
>>> Why thanking you kindly, Sir. But aren't you forgetting? Peace on earth and
>>> goodwill to *all* people? 
>>> -- 
>>A misquote I suspect, or the exclusion of Germans was assumed to be implicit
>
>A mistranslation, not a misquote:
>
>	Gloria in excelsis deo,
>	et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis
>
>In the original, the exclusion was explicit.
>

There is no exclusion in the Latin noun homo, as
"hominibus bone voluntatis". Homo denotes a member of the
human race without reference to sex. If the Vulgate had had
"viribus bonae voluntatis", women would have been excluded.
If the quotation had run "Anglis bonae voluntatis", all
other nations would have been excluded. But as it is,
"hominibus" is it and "hominibus" excludes "nihil humani".

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
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From: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic,uk.politics
Subject: A moral dilemma (was Re: UK unemployment figures)
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:10:22 GMT
Organization: Laboratory for the Study of Trauma Related Sleep Disorders
Originator: geraint@clts1.comlab

(reading Morna J Findlay):
(  When I was living down there, I too could not have afforded to buy a flat
 ) without the direst of debt burdens. I was earning a respectable, if
(  moderate salary. If I couldn't buy a wee flat on such a salary, then it
 ) was blooming glaringly obvious that the market was close to collapse.
(  But the talk everywhere was only of the vast profits people were making after
 ) a few months of property ownership, and it is my opinion that this
(  went to people's heads. You can't cheat an honest man, after all.....

Having spent most of the past ten years convinced that I couldn't possibly
afford to buy anywhere to live within commuting distance of work, at least
not on the exciting salary of an occasionally unemployed academic minion, /
should I now feel sorry for those people who in similar circumstances    /
came to a different conclusion?                                         / g
___
I must be an old softee, that's what it is.
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: English Tea Kettle
Date: 30 Dec 92 05:04:11 GMT
Organization: Not Philips.

In refd article, bob@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Bob Collinge 525-B126) writes:
>I am interested in locating a store (preferably U.S. West Coast) which sells
>English style electric tea kettles (115 volts), i.e the kind currently in
>vogue in England - tall cylindrical, not the older, shiny metal exterior
>type, which resemble ones you heat up on a stove.  If anyone is familiar
>with a store or a distributor in the U.S. or Canada that deals with such
>kettles, I would appreciate hearing from you.

Almost all Department Stores in Canada stock these automatic electric
kettles (_not_ generally known as _tea_ kettles), including Hudson's Bay
Company, Eaton's and Sears.  I don't know if US Sears branches sell them.

The definitive British brand is Russell Hobbs, and I've seen those in
Sears.

As I type this I've just leaned across and pulled out a "Consumers
Distributing" catalogue and there's a page of the beasties - jug kettles
they call them, 1.3 to 1.8 litres, by Russell Hobbs, Philips, Proctor Silex
and Black & Decker, $24.77 to $49.48.  You should be able to get at least
the Proctor Silex or B & D in the States.
-- 
Ray Dunn at home        |  Beaconsfield, Quebec  |  Phone: (514) 630 3749
ray@philmtl.philips.ca  |  ray@cam.org           |  uunet!sobeco!philmtl!ray
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: a-kevinp@microsoft.com (Kevin Purcell)
Subject: Re: British Flags (was Re: The Welsh Flag)
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:49:22 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1992Dec23.234600.11563@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg wrote:
> 
> Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones) writes:
> : In an uncharacteristic fit of seasonal good cheer holohan@mark.enet.dec.com 
> : (Mark Holohan) burst forth:
> : (  
> :  )   The Union Flag should more appropriately be called, the Jolly-Roger.
> 
> 
> 	Didn't see that bit but note for trivia-watchers (and triumphalist
> anti-imperialists) Did you know that the last time the J R was flown in
> battle was by the British navy during the Falklands War?
> 
> There now, wasn't that interesting?
> 
> Richard Pennell History NUS

It probably got wet if it was! The JR was flown by Conquerer when she sailed 
into her base (at Faslane?) indicating she had engaged and sunk the Belgrano.

It is apparently a tradition in the submarine service (but what is a tradition
when you haven't sunk anything with a sub in 38 years).

I doubt the Conquerer was flying the JR at periscope depth when she trailed
the Belgrano.

More to the point were did the Belgranos destroyer escort disaaper to after
the sinking? A lot more lives would have been stayed if they'ed stayed on
station.

Kevin Purcell
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hugh@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Hugh Graham)
Subject: Re: British Imperial Weights and Measures
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:31:08 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

R.A.McPheat (cabr53@ccsun.strath.ac.uk) wrote:
>Off the top of my head, the only one I can think of is fathoms which I believe
>is still used. 

The fathom is no longer used in Admiralty charts or in the North Sea 
oil industry, where metres are normally used for water depths.  An exception
arises with american drilling companies who like to work in feet.

As you may or may not be aware, the Imperial system of units is generally called
the "English system" in the USofA, despite the differing definitions of
the pint, gallon and ton in the two countries.  There is even a slight 
difference in the size of a fluid ounce.  

The US pint is 16 US fluid ounces (cf UK pint = 20 UK fluid ounces) and this 
useful fact is sometimes taught to our Merkun cousins by the simple-to-remember
phrase:-

"A Pint's A Pound the Whole World Round"

Hugh
hugh@lamar.colostate.edu
Free at last! Free at last!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: chinnici@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (Roberto R. Chinnici)
Subject: What's Brunel college address?
Keywords: Brunel
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:04:24 GMT
Summary: I need the numerical address of Brunel college

Hi, I'm trying to contact a friend at Brunel College. Unfortunately, an
address like "@brunel.ac.uk" is refused by the mailer; it could be I need
to add a machine name, like "@vax.brunel.ac.uk", but I have no idea of it.
Perhaps it'd be enough to know the numerical address of Brunel, something 
like 149.132.1.2 (that's mine!).

Please e-mail me any information you may have.

Thanks to everybody, and Merry Christmas!

--
Roberto R. Chinnici			 |Disclaimer:
<chinnici@hp2.sm.dsi.unimi.it>		 | Half of what I say is meaningless
Dipartimento di Scienze dell'Informazione| But I say it just to reach you, Julia
Universita' degli studi di Milano	 |		(Lennon/McCartney)
From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Recent Scandals or THE GOV.'S GOOD AT SOMETHING
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:12:29 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

In the subject "Lamont's wine and PRIVATE EYE"
hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
>Please, what is "the affair ofGummer's pond"?

These are the press scandals in recent months concerning the governemt
which I can remember, I'm sure there are more.

mellorgate - toe sucking :-)
ERM-gate   - government forced out of ERM after repeatedly saying no.
iraqgate - gov. seemed willing to let innocent go to jail to avoid
                ministers being embarassed.
lamontgate I- the sex therapist - fees for the eviction of from the state.
lamontgate II- the Wine Strikes Back - Did he or didn't he .
lamontgate III- the sex therapist - fees for the eviction of from private
                                   donation.
gummergate - the pond
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british