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From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: The Insane Rep. Dornan...
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:19:01 GMT
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA

Keywords: 

In article <1992Oct7.144116.21484@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao) writes:
]   I beg to differ.   FIrst of all, character is something everyone has a
]different standard for.  You may think having an affair is immoral, but 
]many people have done it. You may think evading the draft is a cowardic 
]thing to do, but many people think it's understandable in that particular
]time.   I may think Bush and Reagan committed crime and then lied about 
]it in the Iran-Contra scandal, but John Wagner said no big deal, they just 
]bypassed the law.  I may think George has been a low life character attacker
]and whinny accuser these days when he has nothing better to say about himself
]but his lover Mary Matlin says he's doing the right thing. Many people 
]may say Pat Buccanon is the biggest phony but his speech got loud applause
]in the Republican convention. Many people may say a lot bad things about 
]Jimmy Swaggart, but he's still on the stage, sobs, tears, and all, and people
]send money to him.  
]  And by my standards, George Bush has the worst character. 

That's fine, but you have not refuted by statement that character is THE
most important characteristic of a candidate. In the case of Bill Clinton
this is especially true, since he has lied to us so many times... why should
we ever believe any of his "issue" positions when we can't believe that
he has any sincerity.

Bush is more of a known quantity. Some people distrust him, others don't. I
feel I know enough about the person, at this point, to be able to predict
how he will behave. With Clinton, the only things I can predict are that
he will not be truthful with us, and that he will take whatever policy
seems to promise him the most immediate personal advantage. I have yet to
see him take ANY policy stand that takes the slightest bit of courage...
he simply panders to whatever he things will win the election.

]  But what I am most concerned in electing a President, is if he's ABLE !
]You know, the ability thing, not just the vision thing that George and Pat
]share (at least in the Republican convention). 
] 
]  Clinton by my judgement, is much more able than Bush, period. 

Fine, but Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin also were ABLE. Ability counts, 
but so do intentions and personal integrity.

-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
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From: ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: The Insane Rep. Dornan...
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:22:13 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1992Oct5.130527.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.135952.26362@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:
>> In article <BvMFyy.IF8@well.sf.ca.us>, casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton) writes:
>>> 
>>> I understand that such educational exchanges were routine for Oxford
>>> students.
>> 
>> They were. This is another lame attempt to make Clinton look bad using
>> twisted reasoning.
>> 
>     It's difficult to attribute the title of "student" to Clinton
>in his second year, since he really didn't show up for class on
>a regular basis (if at all), he did not take the exams, and did not
>graduate.

It's impossible to tell whether Perttunen is making a joke or not (s/he con-
siders him/herself a comedian); but in the remote chance that s/he is serious,
s/he may be unaware that the teaching methods at British -- in fact, at most
if not all European -- universities are very different from those used at
U.S. universities.  It is quite possible that Bill Clinton had no classes in
his second year as classes are defined in the U.S., had no exams to take, and
was not taking a course of study that culminates in graduation.  This kind of
information is not, of course, anything that it'd be possible to get out of
a Republiclone.

It's not an issue, either, which is why the Republiclones are trying so hard
to beat it to death.


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Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: DAN QUAYLE DRUG SCANDAL COVER-UP?
From: nenglish@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:24:52 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Hi!
I need to know:   Am I crazy??
;^)

Fri. night, 10/09/92, 7pm, on CNN news, 20 min. Lead Story:

DAN QUAYLE DRUG SCANDAL COVER-UP

Complete story w/ tapes, transcripts, and witness;
Tapes and evidence pointed straight up to the Justice Dept. and James Baker;
Tapes were gotten by CNN thru the Freedom of Information Act.

Am *I* the only person who saw this story??
I have not heard a PEEP about it since it aired!

Has anyone seen this or heard anything about besides ME??

Nicole....

Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.clinton
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: The Insane Rep. Dornan...
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:36:58 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <1992Oct6.013406.24510@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao) writes:
]    
]     Come on,    there are more important things to examine, what about the
]health of the economy, the health of the citizens of this country...
]A student went to Moscow, so what ?  Are the Republicans so desperate 
]they are actually hoping to find Clinton was actually recruited by the KGB ?

The character of a president is probably THE most important issue, and
this does reflect on his character. Furthermore, if we go on the issues,
we find Clinton on both sides of many of them (NAFTA, for example).
On the economy, he plans to tax us to death to resolve the deficit...
one of the demonstrably dumber ideas around.
-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
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From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: The Insane Rep. Dornan...
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:41:16 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1992Oct7.023658.19351@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
>Keywords: 
>
>In article <1992Oct6.013406.24510@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao) writes:
>]    
>]     Come on,    there are more important things to examine, what about the
>]health of the economy, the health of the citizens of this country...
>]A student went to Moscow, so what ?  Are the Republicans so desperate 
>]they are actually hoping to find Clinton was actually recruited by the KGB ?
>
>The character of a president is probably THE most important issue, and

   I beg to differ.   FIrst of all, character is something everyone has a
different standard for.  You may think having an affair is immoral, but 
many people have done it. You may think evading the draft is a cowardic 
thing to do, but many people think it's understandable in that particular
time.   I may think Bush and Reagan committed crime and then lied about 
it in the Iran-Contra scandal, but John Wagner said no big deal, they just 
bypassed the law.  I may think George has been a low life character attacker
and whinny accuser these days when he has nothing better to say about himself
but his lover Mary Matlin says he's doing the right thing. Many people 
may say Pat Buccanon is the biggest phony but his speech got loud applause
in the Republican convention. Many people may say a lot bad things about 
Jimmy Swaggart, but he's still on the stage, sobs, tears, and all, and people
send money to him.  
  And by my standards, George Bush has the worst character. 
 
  But what I am most concerned in electing a President, is if he's ABLE !
You know, the ability thing, not just the vision thing that George and Pat
share (at least in the Republican convention). 
 
  Clinton by my judgement, is much more able than Bush, period.
From: idealord@dorsai.com (Jeff Harrington)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: IdEAL ORDER Psychic TV and the Presidential Debates
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:33:16 GMT
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy, New York's Computer Consulate. +1.718.729.5018

This is to notify the readers of this news group that I will be
illuminating the television cameras for the next two debates as I
have in the last two.  My purpose is to prevent the re-election
of George Bush.  
 
IdEAL ORDER Psychic TV has been successfully disrupting the news
media and presidential debates since 1983.  
 
Don't believe me?  Every Thursday I zap Dan Rather on the CBS
Evening News.  Compare the Wednesday or Friday broadcasts to the
Thursday broadcast.  You will notice him blinking more and an
extra bit of shininess to his eyes. 
 
IdEAL ORDER Psychic TV is a capability I developed for producing
a bright spot of light inside the lens of a broadcasting TV camera.
I meditate on the broadcast image and the spot of light appears 
at the studio (or remote).  
 
For more info:
idealord@dorsai.com
 
Jeff Harrington
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: The Insane Rep. Dornan...
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:24:01 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <w7tdkrp@Unify.Com>, ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.130527.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Oct5.135952.26362@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:
>>> In article <BvMFyy.IF8@well.sf.ca.us>, casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton) writes:
>>>> 
>>>> I understand that such educational exchanges were routine for Oxford
>>>> students.
>>> 
>>> They were. This is another lame attempt to make Clinton look bad using
>>> twisted reasoning.
>>> 
>>     It's difficult to attribute the title of "student" to Clinton
>>in his second year, since he really didn't show up for class on
>>a regular basis (if at all), he did not take the exams, and did not
>>graduate.
> 
> It's impossible to tell whether Perttunen is making a joke or not (s/he con-
> siders him/herself a comedian); but in the remote chance that s/he is serious,
> s/he may be unaware that the teaching methods at British -- in fact, at most
> if not all European -- universities are very different from those used at
> U.S. universities.  It is quite possible that Bill Clinton had no classes in
> his second year as classes are defined in the U.S., had no exams to take, and
> was not taking a course of study that culminates in graduation.  This kind of
> information is not, of course, anything that it'd be possible to get out of
> a Republiclone.
> 
     I'm quite aware of the European education systems, I'm quite aware of
the European economic systems, I'm quite aware of the European health
care systems, I'm quite aware of European interest rates, I'm quite
aware of European unemployment rates -- all of these reinforce my 
feelings of great fortune for being a citizen of the U.S.
     Regarding the definition of "student," recall that the captors
of the American hostages in Iran back in the Carter days were also
referred to as "students."

     Back from a sojourn and being remotely serious, I think,
     C. Perttunen  

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From: bladex@wixer.cactus.org (David Smith)
Subject: Re: Why do people read opinion journals?
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 04:41:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.082805.43573@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
writes:
>I have never seen this question addressed:  Why do people subscribe to
>and read opinion journals, the viewpoint of which they are in
>agreement with?  What are the reader motivations?  Mutatis mutandis
>(I've always wanted to say that) for other media X if any really fit the
>category of "opinion X."
>
>
>Is it some kind of comfort that people get out of sort of wallowing in
>their own cherished notions?  To me it seems a lot more gratifying to
>have people agree with you when you *didn't* expect them to...
>--
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>


It has more to do with the depths and levels of conversation between magazine
and reader.  For example, if both the reader&magazine share certain
fundamental intellectual blocks, then it frees both to explore other ideas,
to creep out further along the limb, so to say.  If one has to reinvent the
wheel in every debate, then one will not get very far.

I would also add that it is necessary, in the 90s, to receive information
from a wide variety of sources, and that the smart person will mix these
sources to provide diverse viewpoints.

Finally, I would like to raise the suggestion, Ken, that perhaps people
subscribe to magazines for other goals than "agreement" or what you imply,
"being right"

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From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:36:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.news-media

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 13:21:51 CET
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Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: Sound Blaster VOV Files Mixer/Editor ?????


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Newsgroups: alt.fandom.misc
From: alaustar@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Arsenyk Ustaris)
Subject: Guy Gavriel Kay
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:11:09 GMT

Okay, so I'm looking for a general discussion of fiction, and this
seemed to have been the first one on the list.  There were a few
newsgroups dedicated to single authors, but none of them wrote the book
that I finished last night.

Guy Gavriel Kay is a writer from Toronto, probably most known for his
Fionavar Tapestry series.  Since there were no messages here when I
subscribed, I can only wonder if anyone is even going to read this.
Regardless, I think what I am about to say should be said.

_A Song for Arbonne_ is classic Kay.  It's got all the elements of
Romance, War, History, and Love embedded in it to the hilt.  Has anyone
else read it?  I got a copy as soon as I could from the local library.
After I had read Kay's _Tigana_, I didn't expect to be disappointed by
his latest offering.

And I wasn't.  I don't know if anyone even knows about him or not.
There was some discussion about him on FidoNet, and he seemed pretty
well known.  Better than I expected, in fact.  But I still don't see him
getting the notoriety he deserves.  He's a fantasy writer of works very
uniquely his own.  But then, who am I to say how much he deserves?  I
just know that I haven't been disappointed yet by anything of his that
I've read.


Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
From: lrfox@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (linda ream fox)
Subject: Confabultion 5
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:47:08 GMT

                            Confabulation 5

                       February 5, 6, and 7, 1993

                           Bedford, Indiana


Come party at Stonehenge with Mike Resnick, GoH; Bill Roper, Filk GoH;
and Grant Conan McCormick, Fan GoH.  Also in our lineup will be Buck
and Juanita Coulson, Rene Alper, and Murray Porath, among others.

MEMBERSHIP RATES

 $18.00 until Dec. 15, 1992
 $22.00 thereafter and at the door.

Childrens rates 1/2 price.  
Day rates $12.00.

OUR NEW HOTEL!

We are now at the Stonehenge Lodge in Bedford, IN, located on the North
side of Bedford, IN right on US Highway 37 and SOuth of Bloomington
about 23 miles.

OUR HUCKSTER ROOM

is getting bigger and better every year.  Still only $30.00 for the
first table (including one membership), and $20.00 for additional
tables (without memberships)  AND Hucksters get a special deal on
Program Book Ads.  For more information email to addresses below.

OUR PROGRAM BOOK

has plenty of space for ads at only $20.00 for a full page and $10.00
for half page ads.  Hucksters get a 50% discount for all ads submitted
by the closing deadline of December 11, 1992.  Classified ads are
available and are only $2.50 for the first 25 words and $.30 per word
thereafter. Room parties get a FREE classified ad.  Contact us for
publication requirements.

OUR MASQUERADE

dips once again into the Grab Bag (where we supply the materials and
you supply the imagination).  Pre-made costumes will once again have
their own contest.

OUR FILK

goes once more into the night.  This year should be better than ever
with many of our former guest filkers returning for almost all night
Filking.  Trade new songs for old all weekend.

OUR PROGRAMMING
has ranged from the incredibly erudite to the outrageously bizarre, and
we are willing to put just about anyone on a panel.  Let us know what
you know and we'll try to put you on or in or under one.

OUR VIDEO ROOM

still runs 24 hours a day from late Friday afternoon through Sunday
noon.  Content varies from this year's blockbuster through last
decade's strange SF to films so obscure almost no one's ever heard of
them.

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is much the same as last year.  Contact for further details.

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includes our famous neverending consuite, yet another round of fannish
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From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
Subject: Glasgow WorlCon Info Needed!
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:16:26 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

If I understand correctly, Glasgow (And I hope to all hell I'm spelling it
correctly, as I don't know for certian!) has won the WorlCon bid...

Does anyone know info for attending memberships, as in rates, addresses, and
the like?

(I've already decided to go, and have gotten free air-fare, so...)

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From: victoro@crash.cts.com (Victor O'Rear)
Subject: San Diego's ConDor I
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:51:56 GMT
Summary: Announcing new small SF con in San Diego, CA
Keywords: ConDor Octavia Butler BabalonV


Press Release for Con-Dor - March 5,6 & 7 1993
 
Attention Science Fiction Fans:
Reserve the first weekend of March on your calendars!  
 
Just when you thought SF conventions were extinct in San Diego... along comes
Con-Dor! Science fiction, fantasy, filking, gaming, Regency dancing,
Japanimation, Costuming, Art show, Dealers room and much, much more.
 
Our guests of honor are Hugo & Nebula winner Octavia Butler and J. Michael
Straczynski - the creator of Babylon 5.
 
Condor will be March 5, 6, and 7th, 1993 at the Town and Country Hotel, (near
Fashion Valley). Hotel rates ar $69. Convention memberships are $20 until
November 1, 1992; $25 from November 2nd until February 15, 1993; and then $30
at the door. Buy your tickets NOW!
 
For more information write PO Box 15771, San Diego, CA 92175.

Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
From: jwright@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ceridwyn)
Subject: Musicon '93
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:32:23 GMT

What hotel is Musicon in?  I can't find my registration.  Help!!!
Ceridwyn. jwright@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu

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jwright@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu                    the throat of life."
filker/pagan/lesbian/Misty fan                -Mork from Ork-
From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Visions
Summary: info on media con
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:14:29 GMT
Keywords: Visions 92

Last time I checked, Visions 92 had confirmed guests from RoS, Blake's 7
Red Dwarf and Doctor Who.  These include Colin Baker, Craig Charles,
Nickolas Grace and Jeremy Bentham.  I can't remember the address for info
but is being held at Ramada O'Hare thanksgiving Weekend.  Sponsored by Her
Magesty's Entertainment.  Anyoen with more info, please post.
I've been to the first two Visions cons, and Loved them.