HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PC Bigotrynex
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:37:59 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan21.161552.24920@newshost.lanl.gov>

Well said, John...
 
And just for the record (and hoping that all the David PZs, and Marinos
Yannikos' and Warwick Allisons out there are reading the words here, and
not the blank spaces between them), while I might not go so far as to
say that I think my 520 ST (original TOS 1.0 version) is the "best computer
in the world", it IS the one I prefer to use, over all the other ones at
my disposal...
 
In addition to what you said about the impressions given by those who
almost mindlessly either support or "bash" Atari computers, I think the
same kind of impressions can be drawn from those who out of their seeming
insecurity about their own computer find it necessary to "bash" everything
and anything that's NOT the same as their chosen computer.  I'm constantly
amazed by the feeling that attacking or lying about a different kind of
computer will somehow make "my" computer better...

Unfortunately, as I mentioned in another posting, I think a lot of this
is due to the effects of the market.  People who own a computer in a
thriving, vital market have better things to do with their computers than
to engage in flamewars.. 

The lack of new products to talk about, the lack of places to buy new
things for our computers and the lack of a feeling of support gives us
very little to talk about, and that vacuum becomes filled with the kinds
of things that flamewars are born of...
 
Saying "Well, there's nothing much new for my computer, but PCs suck"
fills the void.. but doesn't say much for the person saying it...
 
BobR
From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: PC VS ST
	<OKES.93Jan15162519@SunLab40.essex.ac.uk>
	<1993Jan19.005142.13777@bsu-ucs> <73872@cup.portal.com>
	<11790@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:03:54 EST

In <11790@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, Warwick Allison writes:
> >[The DSP] can't do general purpose processing, it's not a "math
> >coprocessor", and it can't do anything to aid most programs.
> 
> 
> Who here uses "zoo"?  "lzh"?  "arc"?
> 
> All of these applications could benefit immensely from a DSP-based
> implementation.

Ah, but who's going to do a DSP-specific version of zoo, lharc, or arc? 
Questor might do a lharc for it, but then again, he might not.  Info-Zip
isn't going to waste their time working on a DSP-specific unzip...

> Another great "real-time streams of data" is the analog phone-line
> audio.  By emulating a modem, the DSP can implement any of the
> current modem standards - all in software, with just a simple
> device to actually make the external coinnection to the phone line.

This would be cool...  let's hope someone does it!

> Many people use GCC.  There is a Motorola-supplied Free port of GCC
> to the DSP56000.

That might help things a bit...  You'll still need to work on
DSP-specific code though.
-- 
-------------------========================================-------------------
Chris Herborth
cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: All these wars...
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 00:52:10 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Andrew Oakley writes:

>   HEAR HEAR.

>   I think I shall stop reading this "nonews"group unless I see an improveme
>over the next week.


Well, Andrew...  the same invitation is open to you, too..
 
What kind of Atari News do you have to share..?

What new products or software applications have shown up on your local
Atari dealer's shelves this past week..?

What hardware enhancements have been added recently..?
What can you tell us about the most recent major upgrade to your favorite
Atari application..?
 
BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Marinos Yannikos)
Subject: Re: All these wars...
Organization: TU Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:47:17 GMT

Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
: Marinos Yannikos writes:
: 
: >I agree! A comp.sys.atari.st.advocacy group should be
: >created as soon as possible!
: 
: No..  Atari Corp needs to do something, as soon as possible.
:  
: With new products, new software, new applications, new information,
: there wouldn't be any need for an "advocacy" group..

[...] 

Oh come on Bob, do you really think that this would increase the 
percentage of INFORMATIVE postings in this newsgroup? This discussion
has been going on for SO LONG, it's leading nowhere! If you don't like
Atari Corp., and if you think we have to pay for that, please do some
people a favour and buy a PC and then start whining in comp.sys.ibmpc
about your "Atari trauma"...

-MY
From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: world
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY: I *LIKE* Malibu
	<H.ea.SHDogsnf7xs@yonder.equinox.gen.nz>
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:19:30 EST

In <H.ea.SHDogsnf7xs@yonder.equinox.gen.nz>, Craig Shore writes:
> In <1jcvtbINNoms@life.ai.mit.edu>, David Baggett writes:
> 
> >We're doing the best we can to make it easy for you to skip the
> >messages you don't like.  We can't create an advocacy newsgroup over
> >night, and this is the next best thing.  Read your newsreader's manual
> >for information on how to construct a "kill file" that will
> >automagically mark as read any messages with "ADVOCACY" in the subject
> >line.
> 
> How do you do that on the ST??? I'm using Hermes, and from what I can
>  tell, you have to do it manually?!

I guess you'll have to port rn or nn or trn or...

Could you port elm too while you're at it?  Please?

:)

-- 
-------------------========================================-------------------
Chris Herborth
cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
From: michael.smith@f842.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (michael smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: A letter to Dave Baggett
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 23 Jan 93 10:40:32 GMT

Original to: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
In a message of <14 Jan 1993 22:46:5>, wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
(3:713/602) writes:


 ws> I mean, the full 80 lines across, 24-lines down being displayed at once
 ws> on the screen. These windowed programs don't do this, due to scroll
bars,
 ws> title bars, and menu bars etc.  Bob Brodie might like it, but he's
 ws> probably using a TT where he *can* get the full 80*24 on the screen due
 ws> to the extra resolution!  It does background downloading!? So, it's
 ws> not a major extra.  You still have to wait for it, and it's slower than
 ws> single-tasking downloading. 

*laugh* Umm, I can't see how 945cps on a V.32 link is 'slower'.  Then again,
I guess I'm one of those fascists with a TT.  Really, you can't expect the
state of the art to continue to work on a system now 7 years old...

 ws> Just for the record, how many people out there *do* have 9600bps and
 ws> higher modems!?

I have a couple of Motorala Codex 2260's that I picked up in a pile of junk
for effectively nothing.  Sure, they don't have lots of the 'nice' features,
and if you leave them on too long they make the room warm, but they do v.32
just fine.  

 ws> TARI  | | \_/    Steve Wells - Wellington, New Zealand.           |

\`miff`                                                       /|\

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: bjgrier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier)
Subject: Re: Help ! SPECTRE vs. Mac
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:50:32 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research


danny@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Danny Graham) writes:
> Hello there,
> 
> I'm considering upgrading to an Apple Mac but I understand that there is a
> plug in cartridge that will turn my ST into an Apple Mac.
> My question is : How good is it ? How transparent to the user is it ?
> Should I buy it or upgrade ?
> 
> Thankyou for your time (in advance),
> 
> Danny

What you should consider is what you intend to use the MAC for. If it
will be a stand-alone system then Spectre could be very usable to
you. If you will need to join a local-talk network then Spectre will
be of very little use with-out Dave Smalls Mega-talk board, which only
fits into MegaSTs. I use Spectre 128, not GCR and it fits my needs.

With Spectre you can setup your system to become a MAC on boot-up so
their is very little difference in that regard. The only really
noticeable difference I've found is the way Disk inserts/ejects take
place. 

Spectre works fine with AdSpeed-ST, though if your system has 2.5meg
of memory you have to do some extra key-strokes, which I think is needed
for ALL STs.
From: John_Collis@equinox.gen.nz (Johnc)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ctrl-alt-del reset adding utility
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:22:34 GMT
Organization: Equinox Networks
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Vincent_Partington@p15.f202.n281.z2.fidonet wrote:
: In a message of <Sun 17 Jan 93 02:21>, SML108 (2:281/202.0) writes:

:  S> Hi, has anyone ever written a utility to add ctrl-alt-del warmstarts
:  S> to TOS 1.2 and earlier?
:  S> I'd like to be able to reset without the modem hanging up...

I didn't catch the original posting but the following might help:

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 !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mwtilden@math.uwaterloo.ca (Mark W. Tilden)
Subject: Remember TEMPEST?  Does it exist for the atari?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:43:13 GMT


I've always wanted to get the old arcade game TEMPEST for my ST.  It 
was an old vector-monitor game popular in the 80s where you went 
through a variety of shapes blowing away baddies that came up at you.  
Very stylish.  You can still see them around some of the arcades.  Don't 
know if the atari can handle the speed or not but it's be great to 
see.  Could be handled entirely by the mouse.  Something I'd definitely 
pay shareware costs for, maybe others would too.

Is all.

-- 
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-_-___       |              \  /\/            U of Waterloo. Ont. Can, N2L-3G1
     |__-_-_-|               \/               (519)885-1211 ext. 2454 
"MY OPINIONS, YOU HEAR!? MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!"
From: John_Collis@equinox.gen.nz (Johnc)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ctrl-alt-del reset adding utility
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:08:19 GMT
Organization: Equinox Networks
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Vincent_Partington@p15.f202.n281.z2.fidonet wrote:
: In a message of <Sun 17 Jan 93 02:21>, SML108 (2:281/202.0) writes:

:  S> Hi, has anyone ever written a utility to add ctrl-alt-del warmstarts
:  S> to TOS 1.2 and earlier?
:  S> I'd like to be able to reset without the modem hanging up...

: You could also configure your modem so that it won't hang up whern the
: DTR-line is toggled. On most modems AT&D1 will accomplish this. The only
: problem is that you then have to use +++ATH to hang up.
: Stalker can be so configures that it wikll use +++ATH when you want to hang
: up.

: Ta!
:     Vincent

: FidoNet : 2:281/202.15
: NeST    : 90:500/202.15
: Usenet  : vincent@nextjk.wlink.nl

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From: dxo@cs.bham.ac.uk (David Oakley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: comp.sys.atari.advocacy
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:19:55 GMT
Organization: ASTRAsoft, Stoke-On-Trent England.

Hi!

A week ago I posted message with a draft proposal for an advocacy section, which
I suggested should be called comp.sys.atari.st.advocacy.

Well I've had  10 positive replies, and most suggest the group should be just
atari.advocacy.

John Chu sent me a copy of an article posted by David Paschall-Zimbel which had a
whole list of new groups. Sorry but I haven't got the time to do something like
that myself.

I replied to David but he hasn't mailed me back yet.

I'm getting mail on this all the time, so I'll leave it until Friday and then if
nothing else has happened by then I'll properly post my RFD to news.newgroups etc.

At the foot is my proposal again... Anything you think needs adding, write to me
NOW!

OK?

David.
                                                                   .___ .
David Oakley, ASTRAsoft shareware producers for the ST            //_ //|
6 Watlands Rd   | "I was in love, once. A ZX81. People said,      || || |
Bignall End     | 'No, Holly, she's not for you.' She was cheap,  || || /\_
Stoke On Trent  | stupid and wouldn't load - at least not for   _/|| ||\_/ |
ST7 8QQ England.| me, anyway."			     Red Dwarf |_/ |_| \_|/


REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
======================

This is a request for discussion on the creation of a newsgroup for
debates about the Atari range of personal computers.

Group Name
==========
comp.sys.atari.advocacy

Status
======
Unmoderated

Rationale
=========
This group will separate a section of discussion from the current
newsgroup comp.sys.atari.st and atari.8bit.

The discussion of advocacy currently takes up over 50% of the items
in the atari.st newsgroup and so it is felt that the original
purpose of the newsgroup is being left behind.

New users and people who need information about the Atari ST can
continue to use the original group and would hopefully get more
attention if there is less advocacy mail present.

What a FAQ for this group could contain is also a matter for
discussion.

Discussion
==========
Comments on this proposed new newsgroup should be posted to the USENET
newsgroup news.groups.  If the reader is not able to do so, comments may
be e-mailed to any of the proposers, at the addresses below, and we will 
post them.

Voting
======
If no problems arise, voting will start one month from the posting date
of this RFD.

Proposers
=========
David Oakley		dxo@cs.bham.ac.uk
Ian M Rae		imr@cs.bham.ac.uk
Annius V. Groenink	avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl
Jan Kim			kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: OCR/scanner on TT ???
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:18:25 GMT

In article 9257@news.unige.ch, mike@medsun.unige.ch (michel morris) writes:
>Sorry folks; this is about using Ataris - no flames!
>
>We are looking at the possibility of setting up our TT for serious OCR. The
>Migraph software sounds excellent - has anybody tried it? 
>Our scanner is a Hawk CP14, which unfortunately is only 200 dpi. Is this 
>going to give us problems? Even more unfortunately, we don't have a 
>driver which works on the TT!

Contact the good folks at WizWorks (USA 216-539-5623) and they should be able
to fill you in on all the options available to you.
---

___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________


Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:20913 comp.sys.atari.st.tech:6812
From: yonder@netcom.com (Christopher Russell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: 14.4 modem - What handshaking to use?
Date: 23 Jan 93 12:47:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan23.124720.4450
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Hello, I just got my new high speed modem.  It works great, but
occasionally will loose text on long screen dumps, etc.  I have tried
XON/XOFF and hardware handshake, but neither seems to help.  I have
this same problem in both Spectre and Mac (Spectre GCR) modes.

How do you folks with Fast modems have your comm. programs setup?

I am using Uniterm with a 1040stf (old) and Digicom Scout Plus modem.

(I have same problem in all programs that I use in both Spectre and
Mac mode.)

thanks......

-- 
Christopher L. Russell (yonderboy)  Phone: (408)378-9078 Campbell,CA
yonder@netcom.COM or clr40@sim.mfg.amdahl.com or chrisr@leland.stanford.edu
From: robert@informix.com (Robert Coleman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PC Bigotrynex
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:52:33 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:

Bob,

	Do you have any idea how silly this looks?

>Unfortunately, as I mentioned in another posting, I think a lot of this
>is due to the effects of the market.  People who own a computer in a
>thriving, vital market have better things to do with their computers than
>to engage in flamewars.. 

	Do you have a compatible?  Are you involved in a flamewar?

	Next we'll get someone saying:

	"As an English Major, English Majors always uses well Englich."

Robert C.
-- 
----------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: My company has not yet seen fit to
	    elect me as spokesperson. Hmmpf.
From: bq035@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Jepson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Carter Graphics: opinions?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 02:45:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bq035@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Jepson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward) says:

>wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell) writes:
>
>
>>Has anyone else dealt with Carter Graphics? How do they compare with
>>say, San Jose, or Toad? The physical drive I got from them (SyQuest88,
>>with CPU switch) was good, but the response time, and lag from order
>>to delivery was out of hand (months!). Anyone else want to share 
>>their experience with Carter Graphics?
>
>Yes, I bought my Mega STe there a year ago.  It was not a bad experience
>by any means; I got a great price, and they were very flexible.  I found a
>place in Computer Shopper that had cheaper hard drives and SIMMS, so I got
>just the CPU from Carter, and the Atari HD installation kit, with no problems.
>
>Dan Aylward
>dud@u.washington.edu
>

I have to report dissatisfaction with their speed. While constantly assuring
me of ever-increasing ship dates, they strung me  along for a long time while 
I was waiting for my 20 meg hard drive. After more than a month had passed 
since my order, they informed me that they weren't carrying 20 meg hard drives
any more. But they cut me a pretty good deal on a 52meg hard drive, and when
that sucker arrived, I was too happy to anymore curse. In the end, I guess I
was happy.
-- 
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*                         `- /
From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY: Re: PC VS ST
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:31:12 EST

In <C16Es8.G22@ecf.toronto.edu>, AL RASHID SHAHIR writes:
> Hey are you a jerk, or what? I didn't know whether he meant 8086, 8088, 80286
> or that he really thought there was a 80086.

Ok, I'll admit it.  Writing '000 and '086 in a message was a trap to
show how little you know about PC clones.

It worked.

> How many applications have you currently used? How would I know how many
> will use it? What use is a 486 running at 50 Mhz when you're word processing?

Weeelll, lessee.  I'd be using my word processor (AmiPro for OS/2 in all
likelyhood), ray tracing a nice 800x600x24-bit image, downloading files
with zmodem or using UUCP to get my news/mail, unpacking files or my
news/mail packets, backing up changed files to tape (since OS/2 can
multitask device I/O nicely, unlike Windows), and probably a few other
neat things (like running AfterDark and some neat graphics toys like
Neko).

You still haven't said what use that DSP is going to be in any normal
applications.

-- 
-------------------========================================-------------------
Chris Herborth
cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: haasnr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Nicholas Robert Haas)
Subject: Re: M.U.L.E. vs Colony
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:00:00 GMT

The only reason that I didnt reply to this message in E-Mail is because
I think that everyone should know...   Colony Blows!!  If you have an 
8-Bit play M.U.L.E.  If you don't have an 8-Bit, go buy one and play
M.U.L.E... Colony contains NONE of the cool stuff that makes M.U.L.E.
great!!  It looks like crap and sounds even worse...

Course this only an opinion of someone who has devoted his life to the
ongoing quest for perfection of the M.U.L.E. scenario..  Ahhhhh.


-- 
---===>>> Nick <<<===---
haasnr@ucunix.san.uc.edu
------------------------

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dcable@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dan Cable)
Subject: Re: floptical advice please!
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 03:08:39 GMT

u0h36@keele.ac.uk (Adam Turnbull) writes:

>stuff deleted

>The fact that they are slower than floppies is all that is putting me
>off - I don't have an existing hard drive, and I don't think a floptical
>rest deleted<

They are decidedly not slower than floppies. ICD's Ratehd reports 120ms
seek time and 99kbs data transfer. No way are the hard drive manufacturers
quaking in their boots about this performance, but its not all that bad.
If it will give you a better feeling for the speed, I could copy some
files, run a database sort, etc. and compare the times to a Syquest.

Dan

--
dcable@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: daroloso@math.uwaterloo.ca (The Almighty One)
Subject: Other tools for the Workbench
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:51:35 GMT


With the eventual release of the Game Workbench, I was wondering
what additional tools are recommended by the authors or beta-testers.
    Which compiler? 
          make?
          lint?
          additional libraries?
          editor?
          etc.

Dani Roloson
KWEST
Kitchener-Waterloo Eight Sixteen Thirty-two Atari User Group