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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:21:51 GMT

In article <BD.92Nov5105238@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>
>>srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller) writes:
>>: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>>: 
>>: >: Lemrick Nelson was acquited in the Crown Heights murder.
>>: >:
>>: >Welcome to the world of reverse racism.                  
>>: 
>>: Did you watch the case Jack?  Do you know the facts?  How do you know that
>>: a mixed jury was racist in its verdict?
>>: 
>>: Welcome to the world of reasonable doubt.
>>
>>Pray tell, how many Chassidic Jews were on this "mixed jury"?
>
>Trial is supposed to be by a jury of the defendant's peers, not
>a jury of the victim's peers.

If this is the case, does this mean that an accused rapist should only
be tried by other accused rapists?  Should women be excluded from such
juries?  You are setting up for a system that victimizes the victims
after the crime, as well.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:08:51 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Movies on Video?
Distribution: na
 <1992Nov6.200715.11503@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>

In article <1992Nov6.200715.11503@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, segs@cbnewsm.cb.att.com
(susan.e.slusky) says:
>
>Probably hard to get but worthwhile _I Love You Rosa_. Set in Palestine,
>19th Century I think. About a young widow and her even younger brother
>in law. Sub titled
>
>Also no one's mentioned _Exodus_, dated but still good,
>
>_Crossing Delancy_, dated in it's own way,
>
>_Sophie's Choice_, interesting holocaust treatment
>
>something I can't remember the name of, based on a novel of B. Malamud,       g
>starrin
>Rod Steiger.

You mean "The Fixer" ? It's one of the best films I've seen.
From: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Prayer shawls
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:21:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov13.002147.21612
Reply-To: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH


In a previous article, seth@inst-sun1.tmc.edu (Seth Chazanoff) says:

>Re: ... absolute REQUIRED charistics of Prayer shawls ....
>	Must have 4 corners.
>	Must have fringes (Tzitzi) on each corner.
>	Other things like stripes, neckband(Atara), etc are nice, and 
>       add to the appearence, but are not necessary.


I read somewhere (sorry, I can't recall the source) that there also must
be a neckband because the tallis should never be worn upside-down.




-- 
       No nation can survive without pride in its traditions.
       Marlene J. Miller   aa324@yfn.ysu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stephen Phillips)
Subject: Re: Himalayan Yogi online
Cc: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:51:00 +0000


> +From         : classics@crash.cts.com (Baruch Schwartz)
> +Subject      : Himalayan Yogi online
> 
>                            About the Sanskrit Classics
>                            ___________________________
> 
What's this all got to do with Judaism?

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From: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: One Jewish Book
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:00:38 GMT
Reply-To: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

AS I read the thread started by Mark Harrington, it occurs to me
that someone should be taking notes.  WE haven't had many Martians
lately but there are lots of Jews from the ex Soviet Union who are
asking the same question.  What is being done in the communities 
represented on SCJ to let them understand what is Judaism, and
what do Jews do, believe, practice, etc.  

This is not a hypothetical question....

Any suggestions, beyond those which have come up so far, would be
appreciated and passed on to at least one Soviet Acculturation
committee.

WE (in Rochester, NY) used Telushkin/Prager's Nine Question based on
brevity and availability of an expensive Russian translation.  
Heschel, Donin, and even Torah (via JPS or others) is pretty tough
for the non English speaking emigree.

Suggestions via Email would be appreciated.  (I will not be spending
much time on SCJ until finals are graded.

Thanks for the help... This is a real S*C*J, not just OCR, issue.

Julian Yudelson
JEYBBU@RITVAX   bitnet, edunet, etc, etc, etc...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
Subject: Re: Pyramids
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:49:34 GMT

(Herman Rubin) writes:

(david.s.klur) writes:

>>I just saw a PBS special about Pyramids -I thought the show
>>as excellent, except at the end when some pyramid specialist
>>marvelled at the dedication of the ancient Egyptians at being
>>able to work so hard for so long to complete the pyramids.

>>Now, I had thought that slaves (mostly Jews, but maybe others also?)
>>built the pyramids under the pharaohs' rule.  After all, Jews
>>celebrate Passover, the freedom of the Jews from slavery in Egypt.

>>So, who actually built the pyramids?  

>The pyramids were built before the time of Abraham.  It was not necessary
>to use slave labor; during the flooding of the Nile, the farmers, most of
>the population, were necessarily idle, and the conditions for moving 
>limestone blocks was optimal.  

>Shortly after this time, the idea of using pyramids as tombs was given
>up.  This was still before Abraham.

I did not see the show but I know that recent excavations have brought
to light that slave labour was NOT used to build the pyramids.  Apparantly
there was a highly organized, skilled and paid labour force, perhaps part
time, although some were undoubtedly full time, since the plentiful Nile
did not require as much farm labour as other more arid regions.

--
Eli Chiprout                 
Dept. of Electronics, 
Carleton University, Canada
emc@doe.carleton.ca                                     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Subject: Re: Living in Israel - Voting in USA
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Live & Direct from Downtown Petah Tikva ISRAEL
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 14:32:22 GMT

In article <lfio2vINN223@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM writes:

>I moved to Israel on what I thought was permanent aliyah in 1984 and lived 
>there through 1986.  I was told by many other American olim that I should 
>definitely vote in the '84 elections because (1) it enabled you to vote 
>for an American president who might be better for Israel, and (2) it was 
>a sure way of demonstrating your interest in maintaining your American 
>citizenship.  While the latter point may seem hypocritical to you, on a 
>mundane level it meant that olim could visit the U.S. with less hassle. 
>Also, although most of these people were firmly committed to Israel, 
>they wanted their future children to have dual citizenship and they 
>wanted to maintain their own.  As the old saying goes, "It couldn't 
>hurt."  There is no harm in maintaining American citizenship, and 
>there are scenarios where it could be very helpful indeed.
>

Reason one I find very harmful.  Citizens of a foreign state, all Jews,
voting in US elections so as to advance the interests of their new home.
This does incalcuable harm to American Jews and opens them to charges of
divided loyalty, and with some justification.

One of my acquaintances has children and told me that she is very
concerned that their English be good enough for college in the US.
The kids are in elementary school and this has already been decided.
I observed that the kids might not want to come back, and was told,
"That wouldn't bother me."

In general, the Americans I know here are not well assimilated.  I am
attending an ulpan and am the only English speaker in a class of Russian
olim.  The ulpan staff preaches Zionism daily to the classes; they fear
the olim will not stay.  It's important to the state that they do.  Is
it less important that American olim should assimilate?



-- 
Bill Coleman
clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Bobby Fischer's anti-semitism
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:57:40 GMT

simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov) writes:
#dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

##After brilliantly winning the world championship in 1972 from
##Boris Spassky, Fishcer forfeited the 1975 title match because
##of his insistence on a technicality - he wanted the match to
##be over only when one player wins 10 games, and not as it used
##to be (limited to 24 games). To me, that was the first sign
##of the man going crazy - to drop the title without playing
##because of such a thing!? 

#Not so simple:
#His successor Mr.Karpov became so famous by close cooperation with
#KGB and using trick, which seemed gross even by Soviet chess 
#standards (-:, that any of the Fisher's suspisions could be justified -
#maybe it was the reason to become crazy (-:

Whatever Karpov did doesn't really explain why Fishcer dropped the
title without playing. Also, he didn't play at any tournament
after his victory over Spassky.

#My bet - Kasparov - 3, Fisher - 4, 30 draws, game stopped
#for some unusual reason.

Hmmm, we'll have to wait and see. If Fischer was playing now
like he did in 1970-72, I would agree, but that doesn't seem
to be the case. Untill he plays against a really strong
player and not a has-been like Spassky, it is hard to tell
what he is really worth. 

-Danny Keren.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Jewish Fundamentalism
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:08:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.131958.3886@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.143410.605@umbc3.umbc.edu> shimoff@umbc5.umbc.edu
>(Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>
>>My guess would be that your definition of fundamentalist is much
>>like my definition of "meshuga-frum" -- any more than two steps
>>to the right of my practice. :-)
>
>And, of course, anyone more than two steps to the left is
>assimilationist?


One step to the right is non-observant.
Two steps is assimilationist
Three steps is Unitarian

Beyond that, they probably program in BASIC, and are thus beyond the pale.
 
>Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
>	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton


-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm))
Subject: Re: Modest dress in Judaism (was Re: sexism in Judaism)
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm))>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:59:15 GMT


From: afrydman@granpa.enet.dec.com (Avi Frydman):
 
In article <1d9qr4INNjum@morrow.stanford.edu>, aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandr
a Schmidt) writes...
>Think how liberating the law is!  You can look as beautiful as you want, just
>obey a few small dress codes and then if the guys start ogling you as you
>sashay around the dance floor (with your husband, of course) you can feel
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>secure in the knowledge that it's not your fault, it's theirs.
 
It is extremely rare in the circles in which I travel/party to see women who
are concerned about tznius "sashaying around the dance floor" with their
husbands.
 
Though mixed seating is provided for at many frum social functions, mixed
dancing would not be considered modest behavior.
 
 
 
        Oy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: bl615@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Teri Lautman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Women's Tefillah
Date: 11 Nov 1992 15:09:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


I'm looking for a comprehensive list of articles and teshuvot
written by Orthodox or right wing JTS authorities on this subject
--
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:03:51 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Interfaith marriages
 <1688E6F8D.VSANNIC1@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il>
 <1992Oct30.000621.663007@locus.com> <5832@tivoli.UUCP>

In article <5832@tivoli.UUCP>, regina@tivoli.UUCP (Regina Foiles) says:
>
>Could someone please tell me the address of the intermarriage
>mailing list? I was told that there is a mailing list dedicated to
>Jewish/other intermarriages and that this newsgroup could help.
>
>Please email me since I don't read this newsgroup.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Regina Foiles

I would ask that anyone out there who gets ideas about sending this woman
e-mail on the evil and wickedness of her ways, her betrayal of Judaism,
or alleging any emotional or psychological problems because of her decision,
to please refrain. I know there are some foolish, insensitive people out there
who think a modem gives them the licence to hurt people in comfort.
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Whay OCR (was: Re: ORTHODOX)
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:07:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: netnews.97363
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)

In article <1992Nov12.202511.3868@umbc3.umbc.edu>, shimoff@umbc4 (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>The zman for Purim is halakhically specified.  But the mitzva of
>Purim Torah can be fulfilled by men and women, in Eretz Yisrael and 
>Chutz la'Aretz, even when the Bet ha Mikdash is not standing, and
>at any time.  Telling Purim Torah to a single friend is a mitzvah;
>posting it on scj is hidur mitzva!

Posting to scj in general is hiddur meshuga.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: ptyaxel@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Seymour Axelrod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Marc Blitzstein
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:09:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


This inquiry has nothing to do with OCR issues, Zionism, racism, sexism, or 
anything else I've seen here recently.  But it *does* seem to do with "soc.
culture.jewish".  

	Marc Blitzstein was a composer-lyricist back in the l930s-'50s.  He 
wrote a couple of operas with a left-wing slant, e..g., "The Cradle Will 
Rock", and also an opera ("Regina") based on Lillian Hellman's "The Little 
Foxes."  He may be best known for his English book & lyrics to the Weill-Brecht
"Threepenny Opera", wildly popular in the '50s (Louis Armstrong's version of 
"Mack the Knife" used Blitzstein's version.)  I have been told that Blitzstein 
died violently.  Can anyone on s.c.j. provide information on this?  (If this is 
the wrong newsgroup, where else might I inquire?)  Thanks.

--Seymour Axelrod   PTYAXEL@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU

Seymour Axelrod, Psychiatry, State University of New York at Buffalo
PTYAXEL@UBVMS.BITNET                    PTYAXEL@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ben@vmsa.technion.ac.il
Subject: Re: Living in Israel - Voting in USA
Organization: Computer Center, Technion IIT 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:40:21 GMT

In article <DAVIS.92Nov10105447@passy.ilog.fr> davis@passy.ilog.fr (Harley
Davis) writes:
>No harm, aside from the fact that it's illegal according to American
>law to become the citizen of another country without giving up your
>American citizenship.  In practice, of course, it's perfectly
>feasible.
>
>
This is not true for countries that the US maintains a dual citizenship treaty
with. Israel is one of those as is Canada, Mexico, England, and MANY others. 
The only problem with maintaining a dual citizenship with another country other
than the US is that it is against US law to go and VOLUNTEER to serve in the
armed services of another country. On the other hand if you are drafted, then
that is another matter. In the case of Israel, if the Israeli army drafts a
dual-citizen, then the Israeli army also issues a letter for the citizen to
take to the American Authorities. The letter allows the US to maintain that
citizen as such.
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: If I could read only one book on Judaism, what would it be?
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:30:49
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: soldan.aero.org
In-reply-to: solovay@netcom.com's message of Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:45:46 GMT

On Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:45:46 GMT, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) said:

> For a general introduction to Jewish custom & practice, I'd
> recommend "To Be a Jew" by R. Donin.

The Jewish Catalog, Volume I might also be quite good.

(a shout to Rob Levene: Can we get the Reading List reposted?)

Daniel
--
[W]:The Aerospace Corp. M1/055 * POB 92957 * LA, CA 90009-2957 * 310/336-8228
[Email]:faigin@aerospace.aero.org              [Vmail]:310/336-5454 Box#13149
		    "And as they say, the rest is compost"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Autopsy AGAIN!
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 18:57:44 GMT

friedenb@gypsum.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:

> Now that we have gotten WAY off of the subject of my original post,
> please allow me to rephrase my question:
> 
> According to *halacha*, what prevented the families of Yankel Rosenbaum
> and R. Meir Kahane from permitting an autopsy (which presumably would
> have aided in the conviction of the murderer)?

My understanding of the issue is that an autopsy, which desecrates
the dead, is permissible only in a case of pikuach nefesh -- and
then may require some level of immediacy.  Thus, a claim that
murderers sometimes strike twice may not in itself satisfy the
Halakhic requirements.

The secular government may require autopsies in far more "liberal"
cases, and one has little choice but to comply.  Compliance under
these circumstances, however, may allow for a shomer to assure that
kavod hamet is maximized.

Desecration of the dead may not be permitted, halakhically, for the
purpose of proving guilt.  G-d knows who the guilty party is, and
appropriate punishment will be forthcoming.  It may be frustrating
to see someone walk away scot-free in this world, but rest assured,
he'll get his.

-Don Gertler
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: Seth Ness <ness@aecom.yu.edu>
Subject: Re: NEED SOME KNOWLEDGE ABOUT JUDAISM
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <Seth Ness <ness@aecom.yu.edu>>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:06:14 GMT

On Mon, 9 Nov 1992, KAZI ASIMUDDIN wrote:

> I need some knowledge about judaism, could somebody send some basic knowledge
> about judaism.!!!!!!!!
> 
> Thank you
> 

do not unto others as you would not have them do unto you. the rest is
commentary. go and study it.



Seth L. Ness                         Ness Gadol Hayah Sham
ness@aecom.yu.edu                      




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From: friedan@raunvis.hi.is (Daniel Friedan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.nordic
Subject: how to contact Wiesenthal(?) Nazi-tracking org?
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:01:45 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: soc

Could someone tell me how to contact the Nazi-tracking organization founded
by the Wiesenthals?  (Please forgive my ailing memory if I've got the name
wrong. In any case, I have in mind the pre-eminent Nazi-tracking group.)
I think that they were based originally in Austria and now in Israel.

An email address, a telephone number or a postal mail address would be 
most welcome.

I am interested in learning about a case that was presented by this 
organization to the Prime Minister of Iceland during his recent visit to 
Israel.

My incomplete understanding is that the case is against a man named Edvald
Hinriksson who was a police official in Tallinn, Estonia during World War II.
After the war, he stopped in Iceland on the way to South America and
stayed on, becoming a respected citizen. He is accused of having
collaborated with the Nazis in their various murderous activities during
the Nazi occupation of Estonia.

There is an article today in one of the Reykjavik daily newspapers,
Morgunbladid, quoting a Danish historian, Bent Bludnikow, who wrote about
the case in last Sunday's edition of the Danish newspaper Politiken.
Bludnikow is quoted as contrasting the welcome and protection given Edvalds
Henriksson after the war, and Iceland's present lack of interest in
pursuing the case, with the refusal of Iceland and the other Nordic
countries to accept Jewish refugees before the war.

What is the current reputation of the Wiesenthal(?) organization for
reliability? My memory is that, at least when the founders were alive, the
organization was considered to be absolutely reliable.

    thanks for any information,

    Daniel Friedan       <friedan@raunvis.hi.is>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:20:12 GMT

In article <FAIGIN.92Nov10104736@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:24:37 GMT, shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) said:

I wrote:
>> I assume that some Reform Jews will soon enter the fray.  In
>> case they don't, let me suggest that they are convinced that
>> _they_ are the legitimate inheritors of rabbinic Judaism!

Welcome back Daniel.  I look forward to your contributions to
this discussion!

>What is a legitimate inheritor to begin with? Can't all major movements
>determine a common basis, and all be valid as forms of Judaism? Why must there
>be only one way to worship and interpret halacha?

Some differences are easy to overlook.  Do you pray with or without a
gartel ("prayer belt" worn by some hassidim, and sifrei Torah that are
p'sulim)?  Do you include v'yatzmach pirkuneh in kaddish?  No problem.

Other differences are more serious.  If you don't keep chalav yisrael
("kosher milk"), I can still eat in your house.  But if you don't
keep kosher at all, I can't eat at your house (unless you make
special preparations for me).  Do your prayer rituals include
practices that violate my interpretation of halakha?; if so,
I cannot worship with you.

And the most serious difference of all are difficulties in
defining personal status.  If we differ on who is a Jew, or on
who is married, our groups necessarily diverge.

Must there be only one way?  Perhaps not.  But if two ways 
include mutually exclusive practices, was are in deep trouble.
They do, and we are.  :-(




-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.