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From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: KILL MUGABE?
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:48:03 +0200
Keywords: anti-semitism
Organization: University of Cape Town

             KILL MUGABE?


Recently the communist dictator of Zimbabwe Robert Mugabe, may he rot in hell,
said that white farmers in Zimbabwe were "hard-hearted as Jews". He said this
despite the fact that Jewish organizations in Zimbabwe have been collecting
large sums of money to help thankless little savage brats from starving.

When criticized for his comments the bastard barbarian repeated his comments at
a meeting with his filthy PLO pals, justifying his comment by saying that Jews
in the West Bank were hard hearted since they do not want to give any land to
the Arabs. The communist run criminal newspaper in Zimbabwe repeated these
remarks and said that there was nothing wrong with it, it was just as OK as
calling Scottish people misers!

(In case anyone out there doesn't know the truth, it is the Arabs in the West
Bank who are hard hearted and refuse to let Jews settle there.)

What should we do about this. Personally I would like to kill Mugabe the
bastard and in fact I feel that Jews should form an organization to hunt down
ant-semites and punish them physically.

We cannot rely on Gentile laws to protect us (remember the way the pig who
murdered Kahane got off because even in America the goyim believe that it is OK 
to kill Jews.

Wipe out all anti-semites!!!





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From: loon@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (LOON M J)
Subject: Non Sequitur (was Re: Israeli Taxis)
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Undergrads).
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:45:28 GMT

Max,

I think your signature would better like this:


> |\/|   /_\   \ /
> |  | /     \ / \                      Max.Stern@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com

--
Marc Loon <loon@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za>
Student No: 8807871/X (just thought you'd want to know)
University of the Witwatersrand
Johannesburg

Conversation: a voice competition between two people
in which the one taking a breath is called the listener.
From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Israel line
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:19:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


   Did anyone receive Israel Line yesterday?  I did not.  I was
wondering if there was a problem
-- 
   "We're going to have the best educated American people in the
world."                              Dan Quayle - Sept. 21, 1988
From: weiner@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Merril Weiner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: On Qadish
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:53:45 GMT
Reply-To: weiner@MEDG.UUCP (Merril Weiner)
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT

In article <2509@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>... if there
>is no avel, there is no Kaddish.  It may well be that the Shulchan
>Aruch says to do otherwise, this does not change the minhag.  

This seems to be the minhag in most shuls.  It might arise from the minhag of
not saying Kaddish when both of your parents are living (sounds more like
superstition than minhag).

Some effort should be made to follow the law as it overrides custom.  
--
----
   Merril Weiner                weiner@medg.lcs.mit.edu
   11 Ashford Terrace           weiner@medg.uucp
   Allston, MA  02134           Boston University School of Law
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From: lms@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Max Stern 310-524-6152)
Subject: Re: Israeli Taxis
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 20:28:47 GMT

In article <4134@bimacs.BITNET> rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.125743.11235@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>>
>>Upfront disclaimer: I am only asking a simple question, please don't
>>let this start a flame war.  I just want to verify something I heard.
>>I am not preaching for or against anything in this post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>Recently I attended a series of lectures on "end times" as taught/
>>believed by christian literalists.  The speaker said that the
>>taxicabs in Israel have signs that say something to the effect of:
>>The Messiah is coming.
>>
>>If there is someone reading this list from Israel, would you be kind
>>enough to comment on this in a quantitative manner:
>>  I have never seen a taxi with a sign like that;
>>  In 10 years I have seen one taxi with such a message;
>>  1/2 the taxis have such a message;
>>  All the taxis have such a sign, it is a requirement of the gov't.
>
>The Chabad (Lubavitch) Chassidim ran a campaign  (which included
>bumper stickers, posters, awnings, illuminuted car-signs (a la taxi
>cab light) etc) urging people to 'Prepare for Coming of the Messiah' as his
>coming was imminent.  The posters consisted of a yellow background, a
>red rising sun and the words, in an arc over the sun, 'Prepare for
>Coming of the Messiah'.  Perhaps this is what the speaker had in mind.
>

So, I think the important thing that Stephen wanted to know was,

    _WHAT PROPORTION of taxis and/or vehicles in general displayed
    these signs?
-- 

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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 18:29:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


I'm dazzled by D. C. Sessions' ability to speak for "most American Jews",
despite his pious disclaimer in his signature block.

:-)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: VCR's Israeli Import Duty
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:46:20 GMT

In article <01GO8402HS5C000BBB@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> <"Mitchell Faust - Adroit Systems -Dayton, Ohio."> writes:
>
>  My wife wants to take a dual compatable VCR to her parents when
>  she visits Israel this winter.  I know all about the different
>  video standards between the US and Israel.  What I'm looking for
>  are recomendations on a brand of dual compatable VCRs.

My folks bought a multi-format VCR before they made Aliyah.  They bought it
at ABC electronics in New York, which is apparently an electronics supermarket
for olim.  Ask for Aryeh.

The VCR they have devotes much of its capacity to working in various formats
(including others than PAL and NTSC), which means that it is not very user-
friendly.  My mother uses it to play back her thousands of hours of taped
American and Canadian television, rented movies, and borrowed tapes--but she
hasn't figured out how to programme it to record.  One of my jobs when I go
to visit is to programme the VCR for the week or so following my departure.

Aryk Nusbacher
From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Jewish publishers in USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 01:33:05 GMT
Organization: "The Private site of Manfredo Tichauer"



  Does somebody have a list of Jewish publishers in USA or knows how to
  get it? A friend of mine would like that his book be published in USA
  (in english) because  the book  might be of general interest for Jews
  and gentiles in the USA.

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  Manfredo Tichauer M.                       EMAIL : tichauer@valpso.hanse.de
  Opitzstrasse 14                            VOICE :     (++ 49 40)  27.42.27
  2000 Hamburg 60 - GERMANY                  FAX   :     (++ 49 40) 270.53.09
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From: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stephen Phillips)
Subject: Re: Conversion of a Child
Cc: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:34:50 +0000


> >>The following are some things he will probably encounter if he has
> >>chosen a Conservative rabbi.  [...]
> >
> >>Once completed, your son will be regarded as Jewish just as any other
> >>born Jew.
> >
> >Surely the son should be told the above is false regarding C and R
> >conversions.
> >--
> >-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
> 
> 
> Surely all of the above should be emailed AND NOT POSTED as this is a
> PRIVATE matter.  The lady posted for some information and although
> most of the most of the posts have been decent, some, INCLUDING this
> one have been downright insulting. (btw I myself am orthodox)
> 
> Would it not be better to email directly and allow the lady concerned
> to make her own decisions.

There's nothing whatsoever insulting in the above posting, merely
stating a fact of life that the child will not be treated as Jewish
by the Orthodox and would not be permitted to marry in an Orthodox
Shul. I don't know about the Conservatives in the States, but here in
England a person converting through the Reform (our sort of
Conservative equivalent) is advised by the Reform authorities that
the conversion is not recognised by the Orthodox.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Stephen Phillips                Tel: 44-895-442141
Burch Phillips & Co.            Fax: 44-895-421231
63a Station Road
West Drayton
Middlesex
UB7 7LR
United Kingdom                  stephenp@compulink.co.uk

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:13:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.134937@uspi2.Prime.COM> dkantor@uspi2.Prime.COM (Dave Kantor) writes:
>In article <8wcnlka.strnlght@netcom.com>, strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>> 
>
	...
>> ...making up his own authority for picking and choosing among the
>> Mitzvahs.
>
>As if it is unnatural to exercise some personal judgement over how one
>leads their life???  We all have 'our own authority'.

>
>> Now ... has the right to believe anything he wants on a 
>> personal basis. But please don't call it Judaism...
>
>Why not ?  Just because it fails YOUR litmus test  ?
>
>> ...and let's not
>> pretend it's a legitimate element of a discussion of the religion,
>> any more than the physics journals would legitimize articles
>> from the flat earthers.
>> 
>
>I don't think any of us have the authority to determine 'legitimacy'
>in terms of religious beliefs.  On what authority do you label other's
>beliefs as illegitimate ?
>


The way I understand it, the original comment is not that the other's
beliefs are illegitimate, but rather the other's beliefs are not a
legitimate viewpoint of Judaism. If someone makes up facts/opinions as
he goes along, and does not have a following: does one have a right to
call this Judaism? I would think not.

I'm really curious if Stan would agree to me about this one. Stan has
always argued that since "many Jews" subscribe to X, then it is
legitimate. If however, I make up X as I go along, with no followers,
it would seem to me that even Stan would agree this is not legitimate.

Hayim Hendeles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jeff@godzilla.quotron.com (Jeff Marder)
Subject: Blowing The Shofar At Home During Elul
Organization: Quotron Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:34:26 GMT

if one doesn't attend a daily minyan, is it permissible to blow
the shofar at home every morning (except Shabbat) during Elul?
What is the proper procedure??

-- 
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Quotron Systems   310-302-4316
From: murray.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: South Florida
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:49:46 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

I'm a bit ashamed as to how much emphasis has been placed on the sordid 
Woody Allen affair, as compared to NOTHING about the thousands of Jews 
suffering in the aftermath of Hurricane Andrew.
The government has done little to nothing, and using the excuse that the 
proper channels weren't followed in requesting assistance. 
I am fortunate to live in West Palm Beach and we were spared B'rach 
HaShem, the brunt of the storm, but yet we see every7 day the ones 
fortunate enough to drive up here to but ice and water.
People are starving in Homestead and Southern Miami, and many are Jews -- 
what are we doing about the government paralysis in assisting them.
While here so many are so self serving in considering their fellow 
brother in Bosnia without racism, what about your fellow Jew in Florida?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Subject: Re: Vatican, Israel and Hidden Children
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:10:19 GMT



Avi Feldblum says:

>I can refer you to a book that deals at least somewhat on that topic
>(although I do admit to some bias in relation to the book in question
>:-) ). It is called: The response of the American Catholic Church to

Geee... I wonder why   8-)


--
         No nation can long survive without pride in its traditions.
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Se`udat haMafseket
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:35:35 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)

In article <9208211829.AA18375@ptms_dev.sbi.com>, gertler@ptms_dev (User - Don Gertler) writes:
>Why an hour or so before the fast?  Your fast always begins immediately
>after your last morsel of food.  Why not eat right up to the permitted
>limit?

For YK it's required to accept the fast earlier anyway.  For TB, the last
meal is tiny and really just symbolic.  It doesn't make too much of a
difference when you stop eating, and you want your stomach (really your
brain) to get used to the smaller size anyway.

>>Another good idea is to just learn to tame your appetite.  Non-Lubavitchers
>>who daven at a Lubavitch shul on Shabbos, for example, frequently don't
>>get to eat until 1-ish.  (As is well known, the Lubavitcher minhag is to
>>stoke up on cakes and brownies early Shabbos morning, and daven 10-ish.
>>This only keeps them going until musaf.)  Do that year round, and YK goes
>>over fairly easily, hungerwise.

>Aren't we supposed to refrain from eating before shacharit?  Many have
>different limits as to what one may partake of.  For example, some allow
>coffee but without sugar or milk.  Others may permit the additives.  Some
>have juice.  But I thought all agreed on cake.

As is apparently not so well known, the Lubavitcher minhag is to stoke up on
cakes and brownies early Shabbos morning.

All agree on not eating bread.

>When I miss the hashkama minyan and have to go to one that may end too
>late for me to get home and start eating before chatzot (halakhic noon),
>I make sure to drink something in the morning so as not to be fasting
>on Shabbat.  If the need to eat cake arises from this same priciple, then
>wouldn't a better solution be simply to start davening earlier?

You argue with the Lubavitchers if you want to about better.  That is what
they do.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A few questions
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:25:18 GMT
Reply-To: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)

In article <92241.210100EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu>, <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|>                             There are those who believe that if one does not
|>follow their styles of worship (religiously, of course), then one shouldn't be
|>considered a Jew.

Please elaborate on which group of Jews believes this.  Note that Orthodox
Judaism emphatically does NOT agree with this - it believes that every Jew, 
regardless of his/her actions or beliefs, is still a Jew.
-- 
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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Gut Yuntif Gut Yohr
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:39:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


Matthew Wiener posts some traditional Yiddish song beginnings. I always
knew Ben Jonson was Jewish and his girl friend's name was Shayndeleh.

He probably also wrote the plays attributed to another. Who can forget
his famous Mac Beth Israel, his stirring Treflet, the devout Merchant
of Tallis, or his rollicking Seize Her, Julius? We must respect his
devotion to worship periods by writing Herman V, Part Shachrit, Herman
V, Part Mincha, and Herman V, Part Ma'ariv. Researchers are still
working to uncover the full details of the family trees of the
Monashes and the Caplins so suggestively described in Rambam and
Jerusalem, the story of star-crossed youthful lovers of Kabalah.
We remember well his sharp condemnation of evil in Richard the Turd.

It's too bad that the oral tradition caused some of those great
plays to be garbled in their recording by later scribes, thus permitting
Reform producers to re-interpret their content.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:23:13 GMT

warren@nysernet.ORG (Warren Burstein) writes:
 	Don't you people realize, I can post articles all day long insisting
	that each and every one of you must vote for Kibo for president, and
	you still get to decide for your self what to do?

I wish you had told me that before the primaries.

-Don Gertler
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Mac David
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:20:57 GMT

In article <92247.153933EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <Bu0DMH.7s9@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>, aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S.
>Nusbacher) says:
>>In much of Pennsylvania it's called a Gyro, even when served in a Lebanese
>>restaurant.
>To somebody's question as to "is shawarma the same as gyros," there's your
>answer.
  In England, it's known as donner, or donner kebab. In Essen, I saw a
  place that had both gyros and schwarma in the sign, over a logo of a
  greek hand shaking a turkish hand (as identified by flags.)

  What I want to know is, why all the Israelis who felt left out during
  the egg cream thread aren't posting about their favourite bus station
  schwarma.
From: jeffs@lsil.com (Jeff Spiegel 4291)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Crowley's Significance? (Hitler)
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:16:34 GMT
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I heard at a lecture from Rav Lapin of the Pacific Jewish Center that the
SS symbol was actually two Lamids.  Apparently Hebrew words ending with two
Lamids like l'hitpalel (which means to pray) were considered to be powerful
words aimed at gathering the attention of G-d.  Another example is the 
Hallel which is a collection of moving hymns recited on holidays that are for
uplifting one's soul in joyous prayer.

Warren writes:
> I'm not interested in having *that* discussed here, either.

I believe this subject matter is valid on this board.  In fact, any subject
matter that has an effect on Jewish culture especially when raised by Jews
should be valid material on this board.  If there are differences of opinion,
let them be discussed; but alienation of Jews is definitely not the answer.

As we enter the month of Elul, we should remember to be considerate of the
unique backgrounds of each other.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 21:21:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.163236.25948@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.135739.11218@sarah.albany.edu>
>pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu writes:
>
>>  My limited knowledge of English tells me that "Polish camp" means

>
>Your knowledge of English is, as you state, severely limited.  Although
>the newspaper's term may be ambiguous to you, it is not incorrect. For

>so on.  The reason I don't have a problem with retaining mention of Poland
>in the references is that I consider it revisionistic to minimize Polish
>complicity and complacency.
>
Sam: Surely you must know that not all Poles are revisionists nor wish
to minimize Polish complicity and complacency!  If we keep our eyes
pointed exclusively at the past, then we might not see where we are
going.

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From: lazer@intacc.uucp (Lazer Danzinger)
Subject: Re: Facts and Opinions: Insights on American Jewish Thinking(?)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 06:18:38 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

Herman Rubin writes:
>
>The recodifying has not been done by anybody.  The last recodification
>of a code of ritual and taboo was done in the Shulkhan Arukh, which does
>not, except peripherally, discuss the bases of the rules.  
>
	I beg to differ. Some notable recodifications include the
	Aruch HaShulchan and the the Shulchan Aruch HaRav.
	As works of codification, there objective is not to document
	the Halachic process of at arriving at the law, but to simply
	explain what the law is.

>I cannot imagine a curriculum in which a student would be expected to
>even look at these original works, rather than getting them placed in
>context in presentations in the vernacular.  Even at the research level,
>knowledge of other languages is primarily so that the investigator can
>read the current literature before it is digested or translated.  While
>I can read the mathematicians of the 17th and 18th century in Latin, I
>only do so to find out if they used a trick which has been removed from
>the current textbooks, not for the theorems.
>
	A secular lawyer must be able to study legislation in the original.
	Can you imagine a lawyer presenting an argument in court based on
	a deduction made from a translation? If one is going to argue
	that a particular law is or isn't constitutional, for example, one's
	argument will understandably be more firmly based if grounded
	on one's examination of the constitution in the original.

	Moreover, precedent is very important in law. So, too, precedents
	in Jewish law are accessible only in the original Hebrew.
----
Rabbi Lazer Danzinger
Mashiach -- Be a Part of It!