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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:28:23 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 278

In this issue:
                   Sam Kinisin's Death and Dice Clay
                    UCLA: Letter from the Chancellor
                     urvashi vaid's double standard
                      Need good ideas for proposal
                    GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 277
                            NYQ is no more!
              Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund: 1-900-678-3863
                      NELGBSA Attendees READ THIS
                    GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 275
                            Value of Outing
                         Couples - Info Request
                         NAT> GUARD / RESERVES
                           Gay Radio History
                   study on closeted _homosexuals_??
                               Gay Movies
                             Transformation

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From: Jason Patrick Anderson <anderj2@rpi.edu>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 11:45:13 EDT
Subject: Sam Kinisin's Death and Dice Clay

Hi,

	All I have to say on this matter of Sam's death is why couldn't
Andrew Dice Clay have been driving the pickup.  That way we could kill to
birds (or homophobes) with one stone. :-)

				Jason
				anderj2@rpi.edu


P. S. And, Greg Pratt:  yes, I don't wish death on anyone usually.  But,
I think people like Dice and Sam do encourage (or at least egg on) some people
to commit violence against women, lesbigays, etc...

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From: MAC@hup.ucla.edu
Date:     13 Apr 92 09:02:07 PST
Subject:  UCLA: Letter from the Chancellor
X-Pmrqc:  1

For the perosn who was interested in various wordings of university
policies on discrimination:

"All UCLA Faculty and Staff:

    "Re:     UCLA'S GAY AND LESBIAN COMMUNITY

    "As you are aware, over the past decade, the UCLA campus has made
a strong commitment to advancing and promoting diversity.  One aspect
of the diversity within our campus community is sexual orientation,
which Regents' policy has included as an area protected from
discrimination.  I am sending this letter in order to affirm our
commitment to doing all we can to provide a safe, open an positive
environment at UCLA for all students, faculty and staff, regardless
of sexual orientation.  Both Regents' policy and our own efforts here
at UCLA support the right of gay and lesbian members of this
community to study, teach, and work in an open and hospitable
environment.

    "During the past two years, UCLA has experienced a considerable
increase in activity to organize and support gay and lesbian faculty,
students, staff, and alumni.  Among several organizations recently
founded are the Lambda Alumni Associantion, the UCLA Lesbian and Gay
Faculty/Staff Network, and the Chancellor's Advisory Committee on
the Gay and Lesbian Community at UCLA.  Student groups and
activities, such as the Gay and Lesbian Association (GALA) and Ten
Percent (gay and lesbian news magazine) have been present for many
years.  These entities, along with many other oganizations within the
broader campus gay and lesbian population, are all working to improve
the campus environment for gay men and lesbians.  Social support,
education and intellectual dialogue, and pursuit of issues of
political and social concern are among their many purposes and
activities.

    " In meeting with members of these organizations from time to
time, we have heard their desire to ensure that UCLA provide an open,
positive environment for all members of the community, irrespective
of sexual orientation.  Specifically, the campus should be a place
where gay and lesbian members of our community have no fear in
"coming out" or being active in organizations, or to pursue issues of
interest to them, no negativne consequences to their status as staff,
faculty, or student should result.  Unfortunately, we have also
learned that these ideal conditions do not always exist at UCLA.

    "I am thus inviting you to join me in extending fully UCLA's
commitment to diversity to the gay and lesbian members of our
community.  In doing so, you will contribute not only to the
improvement of their lives on campus but to the goals and values UCLA
represents for all members of our community."

                                                Charles E. Young
                                                Chancellor


Well I was impressed.  As I said Friday, he was a candidate for the
presidency of the UC system.  It's a shame he didn't get it.  The
bright side, I suppose is that UCLA gets to keep him.

Well rested and tanned from a better than average weekend,

Mac Phillips
UCLA                      warm and sunny all day.

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Date:    Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:34:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: NICKELSRJ@RASCAL.GUILFORD.EDU
Subject: urvashi vaid's double standard

When it came down to getting hands in the air, I was included.  For sheer
numbers, to impress the crowd, I was asked to join in.  The rest of the
speech (well-argued though it was) spoke to and about everybodyexceptme.
(to paraphrase Susan Carlton).  When will organizations like NGLTF wake up
and realize that Bisexuals are people, we are oppressed, we are angry and
energetic and eager to champion common causes of the sexual minority?  Until
I am more than a hand in the air, I can do nothing for NGLTF but encourage
*them* in *their* fight for *gay and lesbian* rights.  They refuse to fight
for mine, although I long to fight for *us*, along side of them.
What a loss to our strength to be so divided.
--rj

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 09:36:53 -0700
From: jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (The Chrome Jester)
Subject: Need good ideas for proposal

Our University Union (the student life center thingy) recently
announced to all clubs on campus that a small office will shortly be
made available (due to another group closing down).  They asked for
each group that is interested to send in a proposal on how the space
will be used.  As vice-president of our gay, lesbian, and bisexuals
student organization I was trying to come up with some ideas.  I
suggested turning the office into a sort of GLB resource center, with
books, videotapes (documentaries, TV movies, etc), and other
literature.  We would also mainttain a phone-information line, and in
general make it a queer-friendly safe space.

The hard part now is convincing the student government to go with the
proposal.  Does anyone have ideas on how to sell this?  This campus is
somewhat conservative, being farily agriculture-based, but the student
government did pass a resolution IN FAVOR of a city-wide GLB
non-discrimination bill (which failed :-(), so they do seem pretty
open-minded.  We're going to need something pretty outstanding,
though.

Thanks for any help!

JOhn, president of vice :-)
Gays Lesbians and Bisexuals United, Cal Poly

/-John A Kusters, jr.----------------------------------------------------______
| jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu & phule@bbs.fubarsys.com              \    /
Silence keeps us all in darkness, we can't change things overnight!       \  /
But we can shed a little light, Be Political not Polite! -Romanovksy & Phillips

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Date:    Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:44:04 CDT
From: 0206457@NORTHWEST.MISSOURI.EDU (I WISH I AM A MIRROR IN YOUR ROOM TO SEE
 YOU EVERY MORNING.)
Subject: RE: GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 277

please remove me from your mailing list.

Mohammad.

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From: Rondel K. Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>
Subject: NYQ is no more!
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 13:18:05 -0500

NYQ is changing it's name to QW because there already is a magazine called NYQ
[New York Quarterly]. This change is effect as of the first issue in May.

- -
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Hawaii has always been a very pivotal role in the Pacific.  It is IN
the Pacific.  It is a part of the United States that is an island that
is right here." --Vice-President J. Danforth Quayle, Hawaii, September 1989.

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From: Rondel K. Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>
Subject: Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund: 1-900-678-3863
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 13:24:32 -0500

The Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund is a political action committee that gives
 money to gay/lesbian/bisexual candidates in elections throughout the country.
They were instrumental in the election of Shirley Harris, a African American
Lesbian, being elected to the City Council in Seattle last year. They only
support openly gay/lesbian/bisexual candidates. The candidates this year they
are supporting include: Gail Shibley [in Oregon, I believe] and Tom Nolan of
California. There are three others but alas I forget their names. Anyway, the
GLVF usually operates by asking you to donate $100 and agree to make two other
$100 donations. But with this 1-900-678-3863 one can make a donation of $19.92
per call to the GLVF.

Just thought you'd like to know...

- -
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Dick--my bottom hurts just thinking about it!" - MADONNA, _Dick Tracy_ sndtrck

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From: Rondel K. Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>
Subject: NELGBSA Attendees READ THIS
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 13:32:10 -0500

Hello!

It seems that the sign-up sheet at the Board of Representatives meetings were
incomplete. If you were at the BOR meetings [where the voting occurred etc]
please send me an email message with an email address contact, phone number and
address for your organisation/school/university/college. Thank you!

Ron Buckmire, Secretary, Executive Board, NELGBSA.

- -
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Dick--my bottom hurts just thinking about it!" - MADONNA, _Dick Tracy_ sndtrck

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 14:50:45 EDT
From: flg <flg@lan.asc.upenn.edu>
Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 275

          re Shilts, still again:
          not to prolong the debate re Randy Shilts' version of AIDS
          endlessly (altho if it does finally make it to TV the issues
          may be timely again), I would refer interested parties to
          Cindy Patton's recent INVENTING AIDS (Routledge, 1990) --
          worth reading in general -- specifically to footnote 20 on
          page 137-8.
          By the way, she also discusses the question of involvement
          by women in AIDS service organizations.
          Larry Gross

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:59 EST
From: VERBEEK%HOPE.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Subject: Value of Outing

Ron: > Oh, gosh, do we have to start another discussion on why some people
     > think outing is necessary [like me] and some people think it is vile?

Only if you really don't understand yet why some people think it's a worthless
tactic. <grin>

Do we *want* outed celebrities held up as `role models', or as examples of
how great gay men and lesbians are?  Are we really that desperate?
A self-hating closet-case or self-centered arse who has to be dragged out
of the closet is exactly the kind of person I'd just as soon *leave* in the
closet.  Why not celebrate people we can be *proud* of, instead?

Cheers, Todd VerBeek

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 14:07 CST
From: LARSON_A@wisplan.uwex.Wisc.EDU
Subject: Couples - Info Request

If anyone has info on how to contact the National Couples Network
and/or similar social/support groups for lesbigay couples, please
zap me: LARSON_A@WISPLAN.UWEX.WISC.EDU

Thanx!

Aron

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 12:40:27 -0700
From: Sarah Broadwell <daphne@mills.edu>
Subject: Re: NAT> GUARD / RESERVES

at mills college our dean of students has a policy of not inviting people
to recruit if they don't fit a set of non-discriminatory guidelines set
up by our dean's office. but somehow, the armed forces made it here to recruit
so a couple of our more radical dykes had a kiss-in in front of them.
it worked-they were digusted. also we had our entire les-bi union go up to the
tables independently and ask about how a gay person would be accepted, then
refuse to take any literature and vowing to write letters of protest.

- sarah

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Date:    Mon, 13 Apr 92 14:57 CDT
From: C60RBR1%NIU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Subject: Gay Radio History

To All Gaynet Folk,
      I'm currently trying to put together an article on the history
of gay and lesbian radio programming,without much luck. The only
ones I've so far come up with are Cleveland's Radio Free Lambda
( 1975/76 ) and Cincinnati's Gaydreams ( hosted by John Zeh from
1981-1982 ). Any information on current or defunct shows, people
connected with them or similar stuff will be gratefully accepted.
                                    Rob Ridinger
                                    C60rbr1@niu.bitnet

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 16:04:52 EDT
From: Tim Pierce <twpierce@cs.amherst.edu>
Subject: study on closeted _homosexuals_??

SA_SHAH@ACAD.FANDM.EDU said:

> I am trying to gather some information about closeted men and women and
> the coming out process. This survey is designed for gay and lesbians
> who are currently attending colleges and universities and who either
> consider themselves homosexual (not bisexual)

Why not, pray tell?

-
____ Tim Pierce                /
\  / twpierce@cs.amherst.edu   /            See it and understand.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:15:52 -0400
From: "Andrew G. Dehel" <drewid@chopin.udel.edu>
Subject: Gay Movies

	To the guy from NC who was looking for more film titles:


	I tried your mailing address, but I must have copied it
down wrong or something, 'cause it sent it back.  Here's
what I was gonna send you.  Hope it helps!



  	Here are a couple more titles:


  	My Beautiful Laundrette

  	Maurice	(pronounced Morris)

  	Parting Glances

  	Victor, Victoria



  	That's all that leaps to mind at the moment.  Victor, Victoria
  has a lot of gay characters and is funny, but it is not as specifically
  gay as the other three.  And it is a musical, too.  We all like it here
  at the LGBSU at U of D, but you might want to rent it on video tape and
  see for yourself.

  	My Beautiful Laundrette takes a little while to get to the
  "Gay" stuff, but I think it's a pretty good film.  It deals with
  the love between a young Pakistani (sp) man and a street punk friend
  of his.  ?It is kind of strange, but I liked it.

  	Maurice is set back in time a bit, and it deals with a couple
  of men who go to college together in England and have a relationship
  and the two men's diverging paths:  One marries and pretends it never
  happened, and the other struggles with it for a long time and eventually
  ends up happily.  It has a really cute young love interest and is a
  pretty good movie too.  Some of my friends think it is fabulous.

  	Parting Glances is, I think, the best of the lot.  It deals with
  a young writer in a long term relationship with another man and a friend
  of his who has AIDS and is slowly deteriorating.  It is a wonderful movie
  with lots of ups and downs and much positive to say about people.


  	I don't think I've done any of the films justice in my
  description of them.  I like them all, and regardless of whether you
  show them in a festival, you should probably see them all.

  	I just thought of another one:  Another Country.  I haven't seen
  this one, but a lot of people have told me its good.  And for fun,
  you could show Rocky Horror Picture Show.


  	Good luck.

  	Hope this helped.

  						Drew

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From: awerling@NMSU.Edu
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 15:28:00 MDT
Subject: Transformation

Here's something I just posted to alt.politics.homosexuality, and
wanted to also post on GayNet.

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From: awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING)
Subject: Transformation Ex-Gay Ministry
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:33:28 GMT

Background: I wrote a protest letter to Transformation Ex-Gay Ministry
in Washington D.C., after having read a bigoted supporting column in
the EL PASO TIMES very recently.  Today, in the mail I received their
response: some photocopied articles and a newsletter.  In the future,
I shall post the initial column that sparked my fuse as well as my
response to the paper.

But for now, I thought you all might be interested in reading a bit of
their literature, typed directly as it appeared in the envelope sent
to me....

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OUR TEN STEP PROGRAM

STEP ONE, We admit honestly that our homosexuality is wrong and that
it hurts God and his son Jesus Christ to know that we are practicing
homosexuals.  Lev 18:22, 20:13, Rom 1:24-32, I Cor 6:9, I Tim 1:8-11,
Galat 5:18-24.

STEP TWO, We make a decision of our own free will to accept Jesus
Christ as our personal Savior (if we haven't already) and allow the
Holy Spirit to come into our lives.  John 3:3, 3:16-18, John 16:7-15,
Acts 19:1-7.

STEP THREE, We take an inventory of ourselves and make a confession to
God admitting our sins.  I John 1: 5-10, James 5:16, Psalms 32:5.

STEP FOUR, We make a strong effort to read the Bible daily and attend
weekly worship service at our prospective Christian churches.  Exodus
20:8, Deuteronomy 5:12.

STEP FIVE, We truly accept that God can heal us from our homosexuality
and that we must have patience and faith to wait for that healing.
Rom 12:1-2, Luke 1:37, I Corin 6:9, Jeremiah 32:27, Matthew: 19:26.

STEP SIX, We make a strong effort to rid ourselves of all homosexual
oriented temptations or practices including masturbation, fantasies,
pornographic material, non-supportive friends and frequenting gay
cruising areas.  Rom 13:11-14, I Cor 5:9-13, Ephes 4:17-24, Ephes
5:18-24, Hebrew 12:1-4.

STEP SEVEN, We seek through prayer and our meetings to improve our
relationship with the Holy Trinity and to pray for knowldege of God's
will and the power to overcome Satan's temptations.  Jam 1:2-12, John
8:12, II Cor 4:7-12.

STEP EIGHT, We will have the strength to overcome the temptations
Satan will use to try to get us back by invoking the power of the Holy
Spirit and/or calling a fellow member for help.  Luke 10:17-20,
11:24-26, Luke 11:5-10, I Cor 10:12-13, Eccles 4:9.

STEP NINE, If we do have an occasional fall that we will immediately
ask for God's forgiveness and try not to repeat the sin.  John
14:14-18, John 8:7-11.

STEP TEN, Once through God's grace that we have broken the hold that
Satan had on us through our homosexuality, we will carry the message
of hope to others.  I Peter 3:13-17, Colos 1:21-29.

- ----
Also was enclosed the following article, completely unattributed, so I
don't know from where it comes.  I am retyping it in its entirety as
it came in the envelope.

36. IS HOMOSEXUALITY A SIN?

Nowhere in the Bible is homosexuality permitted.  It is, however,
condemned in many places.  Understand that the sin of homosexuality is
not a new perversion, but has been committed for thousands of years.
Always, when mentioned in the Bible, homosexuality is followed by the
judgment and condemnation of God.

The most familiar story in the Bible dealing with homosexuality is
that of Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen. 18 and 19).  We are told God could no
longer stand the wickedness of these cities and planned to destroy
them.  Abraham begged God to save Sodom for the sake of a few
righteous people, including his relatives.  God promised to send
angels to investigate, and they were met by homosexual demands.  Then
god completely destroyed the cities in judgment.

God clearly warns in Leviticus 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male
as with a woman.  It is an abomination."  to "lie" with someone, in
the Old Testament meaning, indicates the sexual act.  When reading
Romans 1:24-28, the following terms are used in connection with
homosexuality: verse 24--uncleanness, lusts, dishoner; verse 26--vile
passions, against nature; verse 27--shameful, error;verse 28--debased
mind, not fitting.  these verses are in themselves enough evidence to
show us clearly God's attitude toward homosexuality.

There are people who will distory these verses and tell you they
interpret the words differently.  Do not believe them.  The Word of
God speaks clearly and does not need interpretation of these terms.
Let the Word of God interpret itself by comparing it with other verses
on the subject.  There is no contradiction of teaching in the Bible.

If you are struggling with homosexuality, please understand that
although God condemns the sin, He still loves you and wants to help
you overcome this life-style.  The Bible speaks of those who commit
sexual sin as being unable to inherit heaven (1 Cor. 6:9-11), yet
tells in the next verse, "Such were some of you.  But you were washed,
sanctified, justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit
of our God."  Healing and forgiveness are available in Christ.  Seek
godly counsel for help in this matter.

- ------

These people had the gall to send a card asking for contributions.
Anyway, here's their address and phone number if you would like to
express yourself to them in some way....

Transformation Christian Ministry
1420 - 16th St., NW
Washington, D.C.  20036

(202) 483-3800

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Andrew Werling  awerling@nmsu.edu  Watch out!  Millions of
poodles are descending, bearing fangs, thirsting for blood,
yipping at the expense of your throbbing eardrums....


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