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From: emp@xgml.com (Eric Promislow)
Subject: Re: NYC Boomerangers?
Organization: Exoterica Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:34:48 GMT

In article <92209.003355GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>Is there any boomerang group in New York City?
>There was a boomerang festival in Central Park some months ago, but I didn'y
>catch the organization's name.
>If there isn't, would anyone in NYC like to hold a Boomerang gathering?
>
>Question:
>Benjamin Rhue, author of MANY HAPPY RETURNS worked at the Smithsonian and start
>d an annual rang festival on the National Mall, is he still around (no pun) and
>is the festival still going on?
>
>Levi
>ge0qc@cunyvm

    Barnaby Ruhe, Ben's nephew, organized a media-friendly meet in
Central Park last September.  I don't know if one's being held this
year, and I don't know any throwers living _in_ New York City.  As far
as I know, there hasn't been a festival at the Smithsonian in year's,
but I don't know much in that area.  There will be upcoming
tournaments within a day's drive for you, though:

August 1	Holliston, Mass
August 7-9	US Nationals, Amherst, Mass
August 15	Potomac Open, Gaithersburg, MD

   Once again, contact me directly (emp@xgml.com) for phone numbers
and details.  These tournaments are perfect for meeting other throwers
in your area, picking up a few tips, buying _good_ booms, and even
competing, if you're so inclined.

   Ben's still around.  For those of you curious about the Ruhe/Ruhf
b-clan, I recently taped an interview with Larry Ruhf.  As soon as I
find time to transcribe it, I'll post it here in this group.

   Levi, there is another way you can meet some local throwers (they live in
southern Connecticut): Mole Man and Rob Parkins won't be at the
Holliston tournament because they'll be doing a taped demo for MTV on
Long Island Aug. 1.  I don't know when or where they're taping, or
when it'll broadcast, but if you call MTV's studios they might be able
to help you.  If you go, could you write up a report for the rest of
us who don't receive or can't stomach MTV?

-- 
-- Eric Promislow--emp@xgml.com--Exoterica Corporation, Ottawa, Ontario
Newsgroups: alt.boomerang
From: emp@xgml.com (Eric Promislow)
Subject: Re: A boom maker in Berkeley
Organization: Exoterica Corporation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:33:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.202945.2638@odin.corp.sgi.com> jsorg@elvira.esd.sgi.com (Jack Sorg) writes:
>A boom fanatic I'm aquainted with (who continually tries to talk me out of
>my beloved Aerobie) highly recommends that I check out "Gel Boomerangs"
>in Berkeley. I haven't done so, as yet. But, I thought I'd put it out for
>you others, who've been asking.
>
>2124 Kittredge St. Box #61
>Berkeley CA 94704
>
>From what he's told me, there is a guy, Michael Girvin, who carves and
>paints the rangs. And that, they are as nice to look at, as to throw.
>
>Jack

Jack, do it!  I had my Sunshine out yesterday evening and it held up
beautifully.  In wind, tape a small flap onto the lead arm.  In calm,
take the tape off.  You don't need to throw it hard either, just give
it a good spin and it'll come back.  I often use my Sunshine for
warming up because it doesn't need a hard throw, and find I stick with
it longer than I intended.

Gel makes about a dozen other kinds of booms, including jugglers, fast
ones, easy catchers, and, my favorite, booms that won't do you much
good at a tournament but are beautiful to watch in the sky.
Aesthetically pleasing flights count for much in my book.

If you live in the Bay Area, Girvin holds an informal get-together
every Saturday afternoon at Billy Martin Field, just west of Telegraph
Avenue where Berkeley turns into Oakland.  The time I went he had a
big box of booms for sale, and you can try before you buy.  Call
Girvin to confirm (I don't have his no, but 1/510-555-1212 will).



-- 
-- Eric Promislow--emp@xgml.com--Exoterica Corporation, Ottawa, Ontario
Newsgroups: alt.boomerang
From: jsorg@elvira.esd.sgi.com (Jack Sorg)
Subject: A boom maker in Berkeley
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:29:45 GMT

A boom fanatic I'm aquainted with (who continually tries to talk me out of
my beloved Aerobie) highly recommends that I check out "Gel Boomerangs"
in Berkeley. I haven't done so, as yet. But, I thought I'd put it out for
you others, who've been asking.

2124 Kittredge St. Box #61
Berkeley CA 94704

From what he's told me, there is a guy, Michael Girvin, who carves and
paints the rangs. And that, they are as nice to look at, as to throw.

Jack

--
Although I may have had syringes in my arm a
few dozen times, I never pushed the plunger.

Dave Barry for President
Newsgroups: alt.boomerang
From: emp@xgml.com (Eric Promislow)
Subject: Need help planning next year's winter vacation & tossing my MTA
Organization: Exoterica Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:30:55 GMT


    We're thinking of heading south for a spell next winter, and I'm
hoping to get some throwing in then.  Is there a good place in the
South, most likely Florida, but we'd consider other places in the deep
south, that would be reasonably dry in March or early April, have a
good field nearby (ideally a 70-100 meter radius of well-groomed,
underused lawn), and not near the snowbird tourist traps?  If there's
a reasonably priced motel nearby, that's a definite plus.

   One other, unrelated question: how do you throw and tune an MTA?  I
have two, a John Koelher pax and a Gary Friedman Bailey-like mini.  I
did get throwing instructions from them when I picked up the booms,
but my results are still very erratic.  One throw will dive to the
ground.  The next one, with the slightest adjustment, will hover
for 30 secs.  I guess I need to keep experimenting.  If anyone could pass
on some tuning tips, I'd appreciate it.
-- 
-- Eric Promislow--emp@xgml.com--Exoterica Corporation, Ottawa, Ontario
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 00:33:55 EDT
From: <GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.boomerang,
Subject: NYC Boomerangers?

Is there any boomerang group in New York City?
There was a boomerang festival in Central Park some months ago, but I didn'y
catch the organization's name.
If there isn't, would anyone in NYC like to hold a Boomerang gathering?

Question:
Benjamin Rhue, author of MANY HAPPY RETURNS worked at the Smithsonian and start
d an annual rang festival on the National Mall, is he still around (no pun) and
is the festival still going on?

Levi
ge0qc@cunyvm
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From: saurav@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Saurav Chatterjee)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Perot's Spike
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:53:13 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:

>Interesting graph in Time.... Perot's popularity goes up, up, up,
>up... right to the point he hires Rollins and Jordan, and then it goes
>down, down, down, down until he bails.

When he hired Rollins/Jordan, the other two camps started taking
him seriously and they started saying negative things about him.
Also the grass-roots people didn't like giving up their new-found
power. Of course, Perot had no chance of winning without the
professionals.
 
							Saurav Chatterjee

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.activism,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory
From: lee@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Greg Lee)
Subject: Re: Perot supporters -- we can still take the country back
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:15:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul19.205319.20562@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
}
}  I certainly do not disagree with your observation, but it is the
}source of the deadlock. Pragmatism is not going to "fix" something
}which is fundamentally at odds with itself. ...

A tension between individualism and socialism is not "deadlock", but
is intrinsic to the human condition.  Growing up in society is what
makes us what we are, and we make society what it is.  Extremists like
you want us to forget half our natures.  I'm not an extremist, but
I'm happy to be part of a system that can accommodate some crazies
on the right and the left.  The last thing in the world any person
of sense would want is to give either of them control.

--
Greg Lee <lee@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu>
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From: terri@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (St Theresa of the Net)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Great moments from a Perot regime that will never be ...
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:39:12 GMT
Organization: Computing Something Division

In article <1992Jul22.170633.16734@uwm.edu> markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins) writes:
>"Get off my lap you Doofus, Mr. President!  I'm Senator *HERB* Kohl, I run a
>food retail chain in the Milwaukee area.  I don't run Germany!"
>
>"But I like cozying up to kindred souls, Mr. Senator."


<snort.>


Nobody's president but his own!
-- 
A little bit of uh huh and a whole lot of oh yeah.   \  (414)CRUSH-13
T. Flynn's Casa de Interesting: 1755 N Cambridge Ave #306 Milwaukee WI 53202    
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From: veal@utkvm1.utk.edu (David L. Veal)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Gun Rights Advocates -- descriptive name
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:16:48 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education

In article <1679@aviary.Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM> munck@stars.reston.unisys.com (Robert G. Munck) writes:

>In article <YAMAUCHI.92Jul25124233@heron.cs.rochester.edu>, yamauchi@cs.rochester.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:

>> How about "gun rights advocates"? 

>My personal choice of descriptor would be "unindicted accessory."


As opposed to the average citizen who is simply an "unconvicted felon?"




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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Perot's Spike
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:11:59 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
>Ron Dippold (it think) writes:
>>Interesting graph in Time.... Perot's popularity goes up, up, up,
>>up... right to the point he hires Rollins and Jordan, and then it goes
>>down, down, down, down until he bails.

>So Perot is smart enough to make $3 billion and smart enought to be 
>president.  But when he (in his wisdom) decides he needs professional,
>it is the professionals fault when they give him the advice he paid
>for.

My thought was that either they alienated his supporters and killed
his claim that he wasn't going to use spin doctors like the "other
guys."  And possibly that that's when the other guys started to take
him seriously and started really cutting him down.


>This is really good stuff.

Even implying that I'm a Perot supporter is some of the best stuff.
-- 
I have an intense desire to return to the womb.  Anybody's. -- Woody Allen
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.guns
From: kossack@owlnet.rice.edu (Jordan Marc Kossack)
Subject: Re: Gun Rights Advocates -- descriptive name
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Reply-To: kossack@qvi.com
Organization: Home 
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:06:21 GMT

In article <veal.146@utkvm1.utk.edu> veal@utkvm1.utk.edu (David L. Veal) writes:
- In article <1679@aviary.Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM>, Robert G. Munck writes:
- >> How about "gun rights advocates"? 
- > 
- >My personal choice of descriptor would be "unindicted accessory."
- 
- As opposed to the average citizen who is simply an "unconvicted felon?"

	He must have been talking about the gun-banners.  After 
   all, by disarming potential victims, they are, in effect, 
   aiding the criminal in commiting her acts of violence.  Right? 

   This reminds me of some "song" lyrics (you've got to scream 
   the lyrics while electric guitars howl in the background to 
   get the full effect - almost speed-metal-ish)   

	Sarah Brady raped my mother
	Killed my father and my brother 
	Took away their means of defense
	Might as well have done the offense 
	Sarah Brady raped my mother
	Raped my mother, raped my mother 


-- 
 Jordan M Kossack  |  "I love the smell of duct tape in the morning. 
 kossack@rice.edu  |   It smells like ... victory!" 
  +1 713 240 2073  |                           -- Anonymous SCAdian  
  
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.bizarre
From: klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride)
Subject: Re: Great moments from a Perot regime that will never be ...
Organization: GhostBuster Central - Southern NH Usenet Access, Nashua, NH
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:42:59 GMT

epeterso@fenix.encore.com (Eric Peterson) writes:

>    9. In forceful State of the Union address, Perot constantly refers
>       to members of Congress as "you people".

This is my favorite post of the campaign...  so far.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections
From: nrc@cbnews.cb.att.com (N. Richard Caldwell)
Subject: Re: Perot's Economic Plan 
Organization: AT&T Network Systems  -  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:42:10 GMT

From article <saurav.711737112@cory.Berkeley.EDU>, by saurav@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Saurav Chatterjee):
> 
> Last night I heard about Perot's economic plan. The major part is as follows:
> 
> 	o income tax increase for $100,000 or above

According to the article I read this was for Social Security
recipients with an income of more than 100k

> 	o cut in social security

Again, I think this was a cut in COLA's not in overall payments.

> 	o $0.50 tax on gasoline
> 
> I think that the last tax (the gas tax) is regressive because it
> hurts poor people more than the rich. Personally it would have been
> nice for me since I walk to school. 
> 
> The sad thing is that I would have switched from Clinton and voted
> for Perot if he had stuck to this economic plan. Of course, now that
> he quit, I think he is a wimp.

Niether of the other candidates will adress the deficit with a real
plan (Clinton's plan is a joke).  I would have been voting for Perot
anyway, first as a candidate, then as a protest.  Now it looks like 
I may be voting for him as an endorsement of his economic plan.  If 
Perot's people release a final version of this plan he will make Bush 
and Clinton miserable because the people will see just what it will 
really take to end the deficit and the major parties have no intention
of taking such drastic measures.


"Don't drive too slowly."                 Richard Caldwell
                                          AT&T Network Systems
                                          att!cbnews!nrc
                                          nrc@cbnews.att.com
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From: leduc@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Robert Leduc)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Great moments from a Perot regime that will never be ...
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:59:52 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

epeterso@fenix.encore.com (Eric Peterson) writes (amongst other things):

>           I'd click over to Channel 3 and check out The
>Little Mermaid again.  (I love the part where Ursula the Sea Witch
>gets it in the gut.)

Oh Man, don't spoil it for me!

> ... 

>I didn't think the guy could win.  And, in the past month or so, I've
>started to se him as a bit of flake.  But, being a citizen of
>Maryland, home of the wackiest governor in America, I know that flakes
>in government are not an altogether bad thing.

But you're not allowed to talk about that in the State of Maryland, now
are you?

RL
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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Re: Where to now?
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:06:12 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.perot
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <qxjmkzl.gstory@netcom.com>, gstory@netcom.com (Glenn Story) writes:
> >Perot, then, is proof that one needs lots of money to run for president
> >effectively. No common people need apply.

> Sad, but true.

Look how far our country's come from the days when only rich, white, male
landowners could cast votes.  Now only rich, white, male landowners can
benefit by them.
-- 

cdt@pdp.sw.stratus.com      --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.bizarre
From: mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Perot supporters -- we can still take the country back
Date: 21 Jul 1992 16:08:13 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gelato.mips.com

In article <1992Jul17.231452.15480@otto.lvsun.com>, rex@otto.lvsun.com (Rex Jolliff) writes:
|> In article <l6drjeINNjve@spim.mips.com> mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
|> >|> The Libertarian Party is made up of Americans with strong principle and 
|> >|> strong plans, including:
|> >|> 
|> >|> * A balanced budget by cutting the size of government
|> >|> * Property rights, strong business, and free markets
|> >|> * Personal choice
|> >
|> >all of this is well and good, but Perot and his supporters shared few
|> >of the L Party ideas.  The L Party's position that there is *no* function
|> >which should be performed by government and that there should be *no*
|> >taxes is a lot too extreme for most of them.  Perot was espousing smart a
|> >government that was responsive to the public.  You support no government.
|> 
|> Can't you read?  Libartarians want to limit the size and scope of
|> government to what the original framers of the constitution meant for
|> the govt to cover.  We do NOT advocate the elimiation of govt altogether.
|> Quit sticking your foot in you mouth.
|> 
No, Libertarians (learn how to spell your own party's name) want to limit the
size and scope of government to **what they believe** the original framers
of the constitution meant.  I find it hard to imagine that the original framers
comprehended what the US has grown to today.  I find it even harder to 
imagine that the Libertarian Party has found any of the originals framers
still alive who can tell us how to interpret their work in light of todays
national and international conditions.

The Libertarian Party is based upon the arrogance that its leaders alone
have the true interpretation of the constitution.  This is much like each
of the hundreds of religions that uniquely know that they have the only
true interpretation of the bible.

The Democrats and Republicans only disagree on how to interpret in light of
todays environment.  Neither believes that the last word on government was
written 200 years ago.  Actually, I am surprised that Libertarians only go
back that 200 years.  They could go back to Atilla for governmental strategy.
Why look further?  Maybe the constitutional framers were "Liberals."
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
From: kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki)
Subject: Re: Perot supporters -- we can still take the country back
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:12:12 GMT

In article <l6egiuINNr69@spim.mips.com> mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
>Item (1) eliminates wartime conscription and the right of the president
>to declare war.  (Just think, all we need to do is debate it on the floor
>and get a bill passed declaring war -- easily done in a year or three).

Gack, where do these uneducated buffoons come from?  The Constitution
grants the power (yes, power, *not* right) to declare war to Congress,
not to the President.

Cheers,
    -Ken K
-- 
Ken Konecki
e-mail:kenk@sdc.com    -or-    ...!uunet!tellab5!sdc!kenk
"I just found out that the brain is like a computer.  If that's true,
then there really aren't any stupid people.  Just people running DOS."
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Perot's Spike
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:53:59 GMT

Interesting graph in Time.... Perot's popularity goes up, up, up,
up... right to the point he hires Rollins and Jordan, and then it goes
down, down, down, down until he bails.



-- 
The basis of optimism is sheer terror.
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From: glen@tegra.COM (Glen Osterhout)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.activism,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: PEROT OFFERS TO BANKROLL COALITION
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:05:48 GMT
Reply-To: glen@tegra.UUCP (Glen Osterhout)
Organization: Tegra-Varityper, Inc. Billerica, MA

The problem with using Perot supporters to form a new party is that they
seem to lack any specific agenda.-- 
/*++**************************************************************************
*   Glen Osterhout	  Tegra-Varityper, Inc.      Billerica, Massachusetts  
*			  email to:  glen@tegra.com
**--*************************************************************************/
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From: cp2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Conrad Poelman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Where to now?
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:29:18 GMT
	<1992Jul20.213432.7468@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: Doctoral student, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.alt.politics.elections: 20-Jul-92 Re: Where to
now? James M Hoskins@magnus.a (1150)

> ....  A Libertarian presidential
> vote is simply meaningless at this point in the party's history...

Please read my previous post showing that, in all likelihood, any single
vote is meaningless, i.e. d(Outcome)/d(my vote) = 0, where d is the
partial derivative.  At this point, it sure looks like a vote for
Clinton is meaningless (will not effect the outcome one bit), and so is
a vote for Bush!  So please explain what you mean by "meaningless".

> If it's a party that has meaning and value to the American people it will grow
> from the ground up.  All this talk about "if there were a Libertarian
> president...," or "when elected, Marrou would do the following...," makes smart
> Libertarian people seem at times like fanatical Utopian cultists.

This is a political convention which everyone uses, so I don't know why
you pick on the Libertarians.  Everyone says "When I'm President, I
will..." no matter what the actual odds are of their being elected.  If
George Bush said right now "In my second term, I will..." would that
make him a fanatical cultist?

--Conrad
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