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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: The Crying Game
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:38:57 GMT

In article <AKNOWLES.92Dec30160137@expert.expert.com> aknowles@expert.expert.com (Anne Knowles) writes:
>Has anyone else seen this movie?!? What a great movie and no one is
>posting about it. Highly recommended. It was wonderful.
>

It is kind of hard to post about it, because anything one would say
would inevitably ruin the experience for anyone who hasn't seen it.

About all one can say is that it is a rather good movie, and worth
seeing! 

Gerald

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From: maria@aisws5.cern.ch ()
Subject: Re: Most Overrated Actor/Actress
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Reasearch
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:02:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.092311.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
|> > }>Sure.  I know that this will be considered total sacrilege by most, but
|> > }>Meryl Streep gets my award as the actress with the most acclaim and the
|> > }>least acting ability.
|> > 
|> > }Whoaaaaaaaaa....time out there guy...If you are judging her on comedic work,
|> > }then I'd agree but rent one of her dramas and she is nothing short of 
|> > }brilliant. She is probably a master at any accent a script calls for. She puts
|> > } great emotion into each of her characters. Lets put it this way....go see
|> > } for yourself.
|> > 
|> > Didn't I *say* it would be considered sacrilege?  I *have* seen her work
|> > for myself, both drama and comedy.  Her accents sound like something from
|> > "Hogan's Heroes" and I've seen more emotion from Miss Piggy.
|> > 
|> > So time out yourself, "guy", I'm as much entitled to my opinion as anyone,
|> > however much it may fly in the face of all the experts (and do try to
|> > remember the purpose of this thread, ok?  I didn't just bring this up
|> > out of the blue).  If you disagree with me, that's fine, but your
|> > assumption that the only possible explanation for my opinion is that
|> > I've never seen a Meryl Streep movie is offensive.
|> > 
|> > --James Preston
|> >  
|> ================
|> Here here! someone willing to come out and say that if you've seen one
|> Streep movie, you've seen them all. There's more to acting than accents and 
|> I think she puts the same emotion in every script. I think great 
|> actors are completely different in each movie. You find yourself wondering 
|> if it was indeed the same person. I always know I'm watching Streep 
|> and I feel like I'm watching someone act.

I have the same impression ......
From: darrenl@natinst.com (Darren Lilie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: New Zucker Brothers movie(rental)  "Brain Donors"..anyone see it?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 08:11:20 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: usa
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While renting another video this weekend I saw a preview for "Brain Donors"
which is now available on video.  It is a Zucker Bros. film(the Airplane! guys)
and was wondering if it was any good.  The preview looked like it would be 
a dumb movie but I have liked about every other movie they've produced. 

Darren
From: dpeter@ecst.csuchico.edu (David Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Beauty & the Beast
Date: 24 Dec 92 02:58:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University, Chico
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I am searching for the version of "Beauty and the Beast" that starred
George C. Scott (I'm not sure when it was released).  If anyone has any
information on how to obtain a copy, please e-mail me at...
	dpeter@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu
	Thank you,
	David Petersen
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From: "james kewageshig" <james.kewageshig@canrem.com>
Subject: toys
Reply-To: "james kewageshig" <james.kewageshig@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 23 Dec 92 08:12:13 EST

jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:

JM>(SPOILERS FOLLOW)











JM>For example, the writers had to find a way to make Patrick turn
JM>on his dad.  The whole business of discovering that his lover
JM>had also been his dad's lover is silly.  I could just picture the
JM>writers sitting around saying "Well, we got to make Patrick find
JM>out something about his dad that will make him help the good guys.
JM>How can we get someone to tell him something that will turn him.
JM>Ah, I got it. If we have him be a lover with someone who is
JM>also his dad's lover, he can find out something secret from her."

That was part of the reason, but I thought it was the fact that
his Dad was indirectly responsible for his Mother's death... ?
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Watchmen
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:42:08 GMT

In article <BzH5uD.4FI@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>In article <490yVB8w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca>, panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes...
>>jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car) writes:
>> 
>>> Gilliam was at least slated to work on it at some point.  I saw an interview
>>> with Gilliam after he released Baron Munchausen and he was wearing a
>>> bloody-smiley-face pin on his shirt.
>
>     I actually met Gilliam at a Creation show I was working as a dealer
>     at in New York City a couple of years ago, just after the release
>     of MUNCHAUSEN (brilliant film, that).  He was wearing the Comedian's

Rather disappointed with that film.  Lots of fine aspects and performances,
but left me feeling as though it was a bit too self-indulgent and curiously
unsatisfying.  Nothing compared to Brazil, which I do consider great.
Not just well-done, but entertaining as well.

[...]
>     It has since been put into turnaround.  In my opinion, it's
Now what does this mean?  "Turnaround" from the idea of its being
possible?

>     Gilliam came to the same conclusion: WATCHMEN cannot be done.
>     Warners came to the same conclusion: WATCHMEN cannot be done.
>     So, for once, thank god, they're NOT going to do it.

I lost a bit of the timeline on this post.  This conclusion is
as of when?  I was of the impression that it was a dead project as
well, but I didn't know when the decision was made.  I'd assumed as
of around '88/'89.

And, BTW, contrary to popular opinion, while I do think the book was
much better, I was very satsified with the script as a vehicle to make
an entertaining and solid movie.  I've come to expect much of the detail
of books to be lost on film, and when not, what's included often is
not well-suited to film, and bungled.

GMS
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 29 Dec 1992 18:58:26 CST
From: <U23700@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Sick and tired of cries of sexism (was Re: 9 1/2 Weeks)
Distribution: usa
 <1992Dec29.004340.25594@cbnewse.cb.att.com> <C00ys3.ID3@fiu.edu>
 <1992Dec29.230808.25460@cbnewse.cb.att.com>

although research has been done that shows that men have a greater
physiological response to visual stimuli, i don't think that you
can rule out conditioning as a possible reason for this. as a child,
i was inculcated with the 'boys are good at math, girls are good at
verbal things' bias. yet recent research in child development shows
that boys and girls go through the same developmental phases, but at
*different* times -- and so, depending on the curriculum, math may
be easier understood by one group or another depending on the devel-
opmental stage the groups are in.

i am not saying, however, that all differences between men and women
are conditioning and culture.

one further note: as pornography moved out of porn theaters and into
the home video market, a greater percentage of the audience has become
women. (i can't remember where i read this off the top of my head, but
i will try to find out if someone demands a reference). so it would
appear that a greater number of women are attracted to visual sexual
stimuli than was previously thought. this doesn't surprise me; i'm
female and a total visual stimuli addict, my chief vice being movies
on the little and big screens, in almost every genre i can think of
including experimental. (the experimental film coalition in chicago
provides a challenging alternative to narrative hollywood movies).

m.
From: mol@jyu.fi (Mika O. Latokartano)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most Underrated Actor
Date: 21 Dec 92 07:59:48 GMT
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland

In article <1992Dec18.004430.12200@intacc.uucp> jmacd@intacc.UUCP (Jason MacDermott) writes:
>
>  Who is the most underrated actor of our time?  I would vote for Rutger
>Hauer.  It's not that he isn't working enough, but I think he deserves some
>credit that he's not getting (at least not in America/Canada - I have read
>that he is "bigger" in Europe...).
> 
>  He has become my favorite actor after appearing in HBO's "Deadlock" and this
>year's "Split Second" (his character made the movie for me, I admit there were
>problems in the plot :-/).  Since then I've been impressed by his performances
>in "Soldier of Orange" and "Blade Runner" (Director's cut).  Recently I saw
>him in two slightly more obscure flicks, "A Breed Apart" and "Blind Fury". 
>Both were very good.
> 
>  Of course, like all actors, his presence couldn't save "Wanted: Dead or
>Alive" or "Beyond Justice", but let's not dwell on those turkeys.

  Rutger Hauer is very good actor.  I'm surprised that he has been in
  such flicks as those couple of turkeys you mentioned.

  I liked him in "Ladyhawke" as well.  I'd like to see him get a good
  script and a good director to work with!

	- Mika
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From: d40937@aiken (Jean Yves Desbiens)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: anybody else remember this film?
Date: 29 Dec 92 03:07:47 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
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Daniel Burstein (dannyb@panix.com) wrote:
: I've been scratching my brain over this one, can't find a listing in the
: usual sources, and no one else seems to remember it.
:   
: Back in about 1965 I saw a movie whose premise was the Israeli war of
: indepnednce against the British and Arabs.  The key point was it followed
: some illegal immigrants arriving hidden in shipping cartons.

Looks like "Exodus" (1960) a film by Otto Preminger based on the 
Leon Uris novel by the same name. This film stared Paul Newman,
Eva Marie Saint (not Sophia Loren), Lee J. Cobb and Sal Mineo. It is
quite long at 213 minutes but still quite interesting. It is also of
historical interest ( to those who want to know how the current
Israeli-Arab conflict has started). Eva Marie Saint also played the 
women double-agent in North by Northwest (1959).

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From: estrayer@netcom.com (Eric Strayer)
Subject: Re: "Moonraker" -- fact or fiction?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:33:23 GMT

komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Mark 'Henry' Komarinski) writes:

>spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes:

>>In article <1992Dec28.103655.11722@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
>>>Sorry... it's all moot, since Ian Fleming did not write "Moonraker".
>>>They had already run out of his stories by that time... ...

Sorry, but Moonraker was the third novel written in 1955. The story
is actually kind of close to what the movie made of it, with the
evil Drax and a rocket bent on earthly destruction. I don't believe
there was a Doctor Goodhead in the book however.

>>Actually, Fleming did (or at least his clone).  It was one of the
>>original thirteen or so James Bond books.  Kingsley Amis (??) took
>>over the series sometime in the 1970s with, I think, _License
>>Renewed_.  I'm a little hazy on the exact dates and titles of the
>>ersatz Bond books since I was well beyond puberty at the time. :->

>That's John Gardner who re-started writing Bond novels in the early 80's.
>Very good books also. :)

Correct. I think that so far all of the movies have been based
on Flemming novels. Even Octopussy, but that was reaching 
insofar as it was a short story (probably a prospectus for
a novel) and the flick only used one paragraph from the story
and made up the rest.
>-Mark

>--
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>[MIME mail welcome]
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From: organic@mgr.hjf.org (Miriam Organic)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Academy Awards
Date: 31 Dec 92 13:59:30 GMT
Organization: HJF AIDS Research Project, Washington DC

In article <1hqbheINN15b@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>So it's about time to think about the nominees.
>
>My list:
>Howard's End
>A Few Good Men
>Malcolm X
>The Player
>
>	Does this sound close?  What do others think?  How does this year's
>list compare to other years?
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The Player gets my vote all the way.
M. Organic
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From: jor1@herahera.cc.bellcore.com (rich,joseph l)
Subject: Re: Citizen Kane question
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 20:07:05 GMT
Summary: Rosebud

In article <1992Dec23.041911.20067@vlsi.polymtl.ca>, d40937@aiken (Jean Yves Desbiens) writes:
> David Ian Raymond (davidr@cs.uow.edu.au) wrote:
> : Hi,
> :   I watched Citizen Kane yesterday. I was a bit let down by the ending but
> : I suspect that I didn't catch the significance of it all.
> :   What was the thing that they threw in the fire at the end with Rosebud
> : written on it and what was its significance? I was led to believe that the
> : whole mystery would be revealed in the last few moments, so I think this must
> : have been a key to the mystery. Could someone please explain it all to me?
> 
> I think ( it has been years since I watched it ) that it was one of the 
> ends of a childs crib. I don't remember though if he lost a child
> during his life. Hmm probably. I must see it again to be sure.
> You have seen it so you'll know.
> 
> --
> SEIZE THE DAY, MAKE YOUR LIFE EXTRAORDINARY .  "Dead Poets Society"
> 
> Jean-Yves Desbiens                  | d40937@info.polymtl.ca
> Etudiant en genie informatique      | 
> Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal Can | To indeed be a god ...,
> --------------------------------------------------------------------

"Rosebud" was the name of his sled that he had as a boy. It was
his link to a childhood he lost and could never regain. It was
significant in the scene where he was a boy playing outside
in the snow when his mother signs the paper allowing the banker
to adopt him. The sled is left outside to be buried in the falling
snow.
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Sick and tired of cries of sexism (was Re: 9 1/2 Weeks)
Date: 3 Jan 93 10:21:59 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <ksXHwB8w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
/The point being made is that the advertisers expect their viewers to be 
/men, and they speak to men as consumers, and ignore women as audience.

Advertising's purpose is to sell product. They target their ads to whoever
their market research shows is the most likely buyer. There are ads
targeted specifically to men, women, old, young, retired veterans, in fact
just about any identifiable group.

You don't see beer ads in PC Magazine just like you don't see compilers
advertised on TV, *wrong audience*.

If beer ads don't target women, I expect the reason is that their market
research shows that men are the big beer market. Ads are horrendously
expensive to run on TV, and the ad just ain't going to be targeted at
people less interested in buying.

There is a lot of ads targeted directly at women, for instance, lingerie
and cosmetics. And don't forget the ones targeted at the busy executive
woman.

Actually, who cares anyway :-) Buy beer if you want it :-)
From: dvp@oasis.icl.co.uk (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: 9 1/2 Weeks
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:55:56 GMT
Organization: The Mountains of Madness
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mdriscol@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mollie M Driscol) writes:
> 
> First, let me say that it is when MEN enjoy sex that it
> is called pleasure.  Women's pleasure is usually not considered
> important in heterosexual intercourse.

No, of course it isn't, why should it be? Women are engaged by men to
clean their house, feed them, do the washing, ironing and the shopping
and, when he feels in the mood, pander to his more intimate desires.

What more is there?

I must say, for a female, you're quite perceptive.
> 
> Second, if a woman is raped, she is raped, whether she happened
> to have pleasure [including orgasm] or not.  If she is forced
> or coerced to engage in sexual activity, it is rape.  and it's
> not her fault.
No of course not. Women are absolutely blameless in any situation,
always have been and always will.
> 
> mollie
> mdriscol@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

I must say Mollie, it's so refreshing to read articles from people who
are'nt blinkered, narrow minded or bigoted, and who really have
something constructive to say.

Dave

All men are potential rapists and suppressors of wimin and should be
drowned at birth!
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From: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Laurie Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Howard's End (Re: Emma Thompson film)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 13:41:43 GMT
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Pam Milligan writes
>>wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood) writes:  
>>Now that LA and NY film critic circles and National Film board 
>>has come up with their selection of the best.  Emma Thompson was
>>one item of agreement for all three as best actress.  One ponders 
>>the meaning...
>What Emma Thompson film? 

Howard's End.  This is a somewhat episodic film carried by the exquisite acting  
and the very literate script.  Emma Thompson plays a spinster who befriends an  
ailing Vanessa Redgrave (one of her finest performances too), and the  
consequences this relationship has on everyone around them.  This film played  
during the summer---it spent an unbelievable six weeks at the theater near my  
home, so I got to see it twice.  Anthony Hopkins gives a great performance too  
(worth seeing for anyone who saw Dracula and thought Hopkins gave an off  
performance there).  

*  In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak *
*  because I wasn't a Communist.  Then they came for the Jews, and I *
*  didn't speak because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade *
* unionists, and I didn't speak because I wasn't a trade unionist... *
*Then they came for me--and by that time no one was left to speak up.*
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From: spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: free movies
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 07:40:47 GMT

Am quoting entire article because the original article had limited
distribution, and some of the ensuing discussion should be seen by
everyone, IMO.

In article <1992Dec31.183109.1195@scott.skidmore.edu> dbullard@scott.skidmore.edu (deryl bullard) writes:
>To all the people who ever been taken for a ride at the movies.
>After years in the film industry, I am now ready to reveal the deep
>dark secrets that the theaters use to bluff and abuse the public.
>If you believe that you were given a song and dance about a problem,
>or if you have a question about why prices are so high and why some
>films look larger on some screens and small on others, you can now
>find out the real reason. I can tell you the many ways and excuses
>that are used to cover up the theaters mistake, and also when you are
>entitled to a free pass, and how to get it. The following are standard
>examples that are used on the public, and if any of these have
>happened to you, you were most likely a victim of theater abuse, and
>deserve compensation.
>
>                    "The film sent to us was bad"
>                    "This is the first time I've heard of that"  
>  
>  Yes, from bad focus problems, to scenes missing and sound going in
>and out. I will tell you what theaters are best for certain types of
>films, and what phrase puts fear in the heart of every theater
>manager.
>
>e-me !!

As a theater manager, I'd be very interested to hear some of these
"real reasons," "excuses," and phrases that will put fear in my heart.

This does not belong in e-mail, because anything you have to say about
cinemas deserves to be discussed in public, if you care about showing
both sides of the story.

I am also very curious about your qualifications.

1. What exactly do you mean by "film industry"?  What position(s) have
you held that entitle you claim knowledge about the operation of
cinemas?  For whom do you and have you worked?

2. Precisely how many years experience do you have? "Years in the film
industry" could mean anything between 2 and infinity.

3. What do you mean, "when you are entitled to a free pass"?  There are
no hard and fast rules about giving out passes.  The manager exercises
his or her judgement.  Usually if there is a legitimate problem there
should be no difficulty getting passes.

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From: dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay)
Subject: Re: (Unsolicited) advice against Blockbuster
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 05:14:26 GMT

mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) writes:

> On another note, I just discovered that BB has merged with a major
> music store here in houston and yep, you guessed it, these stores
> will no long carry movies.  Of course, they just happen to carry 
> movies I usually can't find at BB and rent them for $ 0.49 a night.
> 
> Is this happening all over?
> 
> --
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> mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com                       _-\_<,
> "If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."  (*)/'(*)

I assume you mean Sound Warehouse. I renteda tape from them yesterday. 
Irronically, there's a Blockbuster across the street from them.

Dascosewr