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From: angelelj@ucs.orst.edu (Joseph Angelelli)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Continuity from last week's episode
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:58:12 GMT
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		The Chris storyline seemed to be a way of bridging the
	gap that was created by Maggie vs. men last week.  His final
	comments provided continuity from the reburial scene by cutting
	beneath the group behavior of men toward women, showing that 
	underneath it all men think of women as the most important  
	element of life itself.  It was a much more pleasant assessment
	of men/women relationships than last week's.  Do you think the
	writers might have used last week as a set up episode to show
	the extremes, thus making this week's episode seem all the more
	profound?   Just my .02 cents.


						Joe
						angelelj@ucs.orst.edu
From: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Tk)
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Subject: Re: Where was Marilyn?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:50:46 GMT
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In article 20527@b23a.b23a.ingr.com, alfa@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Laura Walker) writes:
>
> Marilyn was not present at the final burial scene in the 1/4 episode.
> Anyone know why?
>
> ...(other stuff deleted)...
>
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Marilyn was there.  Look again (or watch the number of us that correct that impression 
as the different sites catch up)...

Tk


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From: mwmv@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Michael Mogensen-Vermillion)
Subject: Re: The Wolf; was Re: Was it 849? 
Organization: Vanderbilt University Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:56:31 GMT


Just spoke to the affore-mentioned English major wife on the phone.  The
correct title of the book is _The Uses of Enchantment_.  The correct
spelling of the author's name is Bruno Bettelheim.

Mike "sorry I didn't get it right the first time" Mogensen-Vermillion
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From: ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair)
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:30:57 GMT

   I thought the plot was very similar to the frozen Frenchman
episode (taken back by the Indians at the end), with a little
gratuitous feminism thrown in.  The little kid wasn't very good.

   However, I thought the Red Riding Hood bit was great.  Not to
take it seriously, just this very smooth-talking monster.
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From: H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Anybody here?
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In article <90488@bcsaic.boeing.com> Jann VanOver,
vanover@bcsaic.boeing.com writes:
>I NEVER see anything on this newsgroup.  Is anyone here?

Is your news server working?  There have been more posts in the past week
reguarding the 1/4 episode than anyother week I can think of from recent
memory.
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Date: 6 Jan 93 11:12:09 +1000
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From: cpshelle@logos.uwaterloo.ca (cameron shelley)
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Organization: Evil Designs Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:59:18 GMT

m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran) writes:
> I think that Maggie has general animosity to some men (namely Joel and 
> Maurice) but that she likes men in general.  She's even friends with 
> Chris.  I could go on but I think that these few examples prove that 
> Maggie totally over reacted and just lost it.

I thought the episode had an interesting structure to it, though it
got a little lost in all the rucus.  Maggie, who has apparently never
forgiven her exboyfriends for leaving her, discovers a papoose in her
front yard.  She then has a dream about carrying a basket with unknown
contents.  I take it that the basket and papoose are 'the same' and
she's therefore concerned with carrying babies and being a mother. 
Ed, through his concern for the future of life and his mutant
fantasies, develops a fascination with transmitting genes.  Finally,
an annoying, pre-pubescent shows up and falls for Shelly.  Is this a
pattern?

I think the idea is that Maggie is "hearing her biological clock
ticking" but resents or fears the inevitable role a man will play in
doing anything about it.  All the environmentalism, feminism, and
Freudianism is just sort of light window-dressing.  I'm sure as long
as they still stir up viewers, the 'isms will remain with us.

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From: wiles@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Joel's Red Shirt
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:30:54 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Does anyone know where a person can buy or mail order a red button down
casual/dress shirt like Dr. Fleischman wears almost constantly on the show? 
I've checked department stores around Illinois and Iowa, but no traces of such
a color.  Any help out there for me?

Also, a semi-beginner's question--What is a GIF?  Thanks, Happy new year to
all.
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From: keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Karin E. Baker)
Subject: Re: Long hair vs. Short hair
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 08:04:46 GMT

In <1993Jan7.225943.24402@wam.umd.edu> sorsha@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (Laurie Beth Brunner) writes:

>Gordon Wong writes> 
>> 
>> On the 12/28 repeat episode of NEXP, Maggie was getting a haircut with Joel
>> watching. Joel was commenting that Maggie's hairstyle reminded him of Dorothy
>> Hamill.

>You know, when I thought about that comment, I remembered that Dorothy
>Hamill's hair was quite a bit longer than Maggie's.  In fact, her hair
>was a "wedge cut," and would swing around a bit when she skated.  It was 
>fuller on the bottom than Maggie's.


Dorothy Hamill's infamous hair-cut was an extra-long bowl hair cut.. it was 
longer on the sides (much longer) than Janine Turner's hair.  None of 
this fluff layering, but all the hair was the same length as it curved 
around her head (do you understand what I mean?  Not that ll her hair was 
the same length, but in each section all the hair came down to the same 
spot.. ).


>Sorsha
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(sorry.. I cut my own hair.. I notice these things.. )
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From: vicka@wrq.com (the Littlest Orc)
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Subject: Re: Historical accuracy of Maggie's claims?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:46:53 GMT
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In article <1ii8s2INN2e2@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> angelelj@ucs.orst.edu
(Joseph Angelelli) writes:
>	[His roommate] claims many early anthropologists and
>	archeologists have since been criticized for taking too much
>	of an ethnocentric perspective.  His thinking is that Maggie's
>	whole premise for her emotional outburst against the patriarchy
>	is indeed "revisionist," and that she could have better made her
>	point by hiring a female archeology crew to unearth the site, rather
>	that completely ruining the integrity of the items for someone
>	in 2292 who might happen to come across it.

I think that Maggie wasn't concerned with what archaeologists, 
present or future, male or female, might think of the site.  As 
Maurice (?) said, it seemed like someone might have buried the 
objects there *on purpose*, perhaps fairly recently.  Maybe Maggie 
reburied them as a mark of respect for their original owner -- 
she didn't like the idea of unburying the stuff for collectors 
and archaeologists to squint at.  

She also thinks of this kind of respect as a "female" value, opposed
to the "male" value placed on opening up the site to prying eyes.
(I don't know that values are really all that gendered myself, but
since it got set up as Maggie/Marilyn/RuthAnn vs. Maurice/Ron&Eric,
I can sure see why Maggie could see it that way.)

cheers,
--vicka						    vicka@wrq.com
	"More fun than a barrel of monkey wrenches!"
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Subject: AussieNE
From: SLAB3@DEVAX1 (Craig Green  8555241)
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:27:23 +1000
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We're just getting NE this summer. I've watched the first 4 episodes and love
it!

I'm trying NOT to read to much of this NEWS thingy - I don't want to spoil it!

Hey, my first posting - I hope it works!!!

Oops! I should have sais "G'day" first! oh well!


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From: cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Cliff Chen)
Subject: Re: NX back in the UK
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:24:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.101337.23248@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:
>The second series of NX started on Channel 4 tv here in merrie englande last night.
>This one had Joel being kidnapped by Adam and his wife and Maggie meeting Rick's
>old girlfriend. It was good to have it back, its really weird but I like it :-)
>

	I think that that is the first episode from the 3rd season.  We are
only into the 4th season here in the US.  BUT, keep in mind that NX had
only about 17 episodes in the first two seasons total.  The 3rd season
alone contains 23 episodes and we finished watching the 11th episode of the
4th season.

					Cliff Chen
					cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
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Subject: Re: Maggie's hair
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:56:53 EST
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rchandra@exucom.com (Joseph E. Philipps) writes:
> mueller@phakt.usc.edu (Stephen Mueller) writes:
> 
> >What do people think about the new Maggie commercial in which
> >she is growing out her hair in back?

ick! every time it comes on i start screaming "CUT IT OFF JANINE!".
she's quite striking with short hair. very few people can pull that
off & it's a pity for someone who can to go with long hair.

> IMHO, women should have longer hair, and men should have shorter 
> hair. I like at least just above shoulder length in general (but 
> I've seen many pretty ladies with shorter hair).  However, when you 
> get as short as what she usually has on the series, it's not as 
> good as I think it could be, but still pretty nonetheless.  In 
> short, longer is better.

I-My-HO, length rarely has anything to do with it. perms are enough to
make me retch tho'. every single woman i know who's gone with/out a
perm looked -much- better without.

> To me, nothing raises quiet anger in me quite like when I see a 
> couple where the guy has long hair, like down to his shoulders, 
> with an earring or two and the gal has short hair like Janine.  The 
> gal I could care less about; to me, they sort of have a 
> choice...but I always wanna take the guy aside and slap him one 
> upside the head!

care to say why? if women have a choice, why shouldn't men? seems like
a waste of effort to get angry at it. besides, in most of the situations
i know like that, the -girl- would do much more than slap the guy if he
ever got his hair cut. women seem to like guys with long hair. i get
compliments about my hair all the time, & some of my best friends are
people who originally approached me about it. (including my best friend/
girlfriend.)

jason

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From: rrulli@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Rebecca Rulli)
Subject: Re: Adam and Eve
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:28:17 GMT

In article <7JAN199312534369@zeus.tamu.edu> wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT) writes:
>Eve played Wayne's ex-girlfriend in Wayne's World? NOT!
>Wayne's ex-girlfriend was played by the actress who was Donna in Twin Peaks.
>I believe her name is Laura Flynn Boyle.
>
>Kent Leverich
>Texas A&M Univeristy 

I disagree...I think that Eve was Wayne's ex in Wayne's World.  Does
anyone know for sure?

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From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Suggested episode
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:42:18 GMT

gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:

>How about an episode where Maurice, the millionaire, gets kidnapped.

Hmm . . . it ought to be more like "The Ransom Of Red Chief."
-- 
	"You can't get here from here."
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From: ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair)
Subject: Re: CHRIS MUST DIE - 1/11 episode
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:10:33 GMT

sbray@advtech.uswest.com (Steven Bray) writes:

>We already knew that Maurice 
>is a control freak, that Ruth Ann is strong-willed, and that Joel is 
>high strung.  

   I thought the unifying theme was the trendy co-dependence.  Maurice,
Joel, and (at the beginning) Chris were terrified that they were not needed.
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From: mwmv@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Michael Mogensen-Vermillion)
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Organization: Vanderbilt University Mathematics Department
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:28:49 GMT

In article <1ig6g2INNglm@network.ucsd.edu> dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.194320.12356@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu (Larry Mulcahy) writes:
>>
>>She has been denying her sexuality (and its
>>power to kill?).  This would explain a lot about the way she dresses
>>and cuts her hair; from across the street you wouldn't be able to tell
>>whether Maggie is a man or a woman.  
>>
>WHAT???  Let's see--if a woman has short hair and doesn't wear
>frilly dresses means that she's denying her sexuality?  Get a grip!

She has been denying her sexuality in her almost frantic explanations of
how happy she is now that she is alone, how she doesn't miss the
companionship of a lover, etc.
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From: pwy6d@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Phil Yarrington (SG))
Subject: Re: January 4th Episode
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:38:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.135253.7928@sei.cmu.edu> bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas) writes:
>
>In article <rizzoe.616.726244287@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU>, rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
>|> Finally, I was troubled by the fact that Maurice made an anti-gay comment
>|> to Maggie and went unchallenged.  In previous episodes, I'm thinking of 
>|> Chris's trial in particular, he has always been called to account for 
>|> such bigotry.  Two cheers to Northern Exposure for showing gay characters
>|> in non-stereotyped professions but they should have gone all the way and
>|> had Maggie challenge Maurice's bigotry rather than let in slide.
>
>I was battling a whopper of a headache last night when I
>*thought* I heard Maurice toss out a comment about how
>(roughly paraphrased) "fairy's have good upper body
>strength."  He said this directly to Maggie as they were
>standing in front of her house during the initial excavation
>scene (he had apparently hired some help and he was making
>references to them).
>
>Anyway, given the state of my headache, I assumed, judging
>from Maggie's NON-reaction, that I just misheard Maurice and
>didn't think twice about it.
>
>To the degree that they did it last night, it doesn't bother
>me that they put such a comment into the dialogue.  What does
>worry me is that people like Maurice are real and they carry
>with them and often express those sorts of sentiments and
>that level of hatred.  Maurice usually makes me cringe, he
>reminds me of so many real hate-filled people.  Another
>aspect of Northern Exposure's realism (IMHO).
>
** Stuff deleted **
>Barbara Zayas		              Software Engineering Institute
>bjz@sei.cmu.edu			      Carnegie Mellon University

I was not at all surprised by what Maurice said last night given the
history of his character.  I also agree that there are bigots in the
world that are full of un-substantiated hate toward other races.  I
don't get this impression from Maurice, however.  The impression I get
from him is that he is afraid of anyone different from himself, and
his fear and insecurity comes out as racial slurs.  When he was
talking to Chris' brother, Bernard a few weeks back, I didn't sense
any hatred, but he certainly made a few racist remarks.  A hate-filled
bigot would really be pushing for seperation from all of
the native americans that are in Cicely, don't you think.  What I am a
little disappointed in, however, is that Maurices bigotry doesn't seem
to have improved at all after his discovering he had a half-japanese
(or was it korean) son.  Don't you think an experience like that would
change a person?  Just a little bit?

anyway, that's my $.02, for whatever its worth.

-phil
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From: clarkec@fraser.sfu.ca (David Gordon Clarke)
Subject: Loreena McKennitt
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:14:53 GMT

Tonight's (Jan. 4, 93) episode ended with a tune by Loreena McKennitt...

just thought I would say that...


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From: mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com (Mark W. Poole)
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:52:08 GMT
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I didn't like last nights episode either...
Maggie was out of control, much more so that her normal self.
I can understand her desire to put the artifacts back and
make her point about women being more that what men think
they are, but she was too wacko about the whole thing.
Both Joel and Chris agreed with what she was doing yet she
bit their heads off.  I didn't understand why she had such rage.

...and....

get rid of the bubble boy.

Mark.
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From: kimi@fang.att.com (Kimiye Tipton)
Subject: Re: January 4th Episode
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:33:41 GMT

In article <rizzoe.618.726257807@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU> rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
>
>Maurice introduced the two anthropologists to Maggie and managed to get 
>their credentials wrong; he then dropped his voice to a conspiratorial 
...
>In past seasons there were a pair of gay hotel keepers in the neighborhood 
>who were running a very  profitable business offering tours to the Japanese.
>Initially, Maurice had made bigoted comments but softened when they invited 
>him to be a guest speaker.  

Wait a minute-- Ron and Eric are the gay hotel keepers, who 
serendiptiously also happen to have archaelogical experience.  They 
are the same two guys (gays? :-).  The point is that Maurice
has _so_ much in common with these two-- they keep cropping up
in his life as kindred spirits, and so he has to objectify them 
as "fairies" to prop up that old homophobic ego.  

But was it realistic for Maurice to introduce relatively old-time
residents of the town to Maggie?  I thought he was only presenting
credentials, but I could have missed something.


Kimiye    kimi@kokomo.att.com 
"Women use their intelligence to find reasons to support their intuition."
                                       -- Chris quoting G.K. Chesterton


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From: m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran)
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:33:42 GMT

mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com (Mark W. Poole) writes:

> 
> I didn't like last nights episode either...
> Maggie was out of control, much more so that her normal self.
> I can understand her desire to put the artifacts back and
> make her point about women being more that what men think
> they are, but she was too wacko about the whole thing.
> Both Joel and Chris agreed with what she was doing yet she
> bit their heads off.  I didn't understand why she had such rage.
> 
> ....and....
> 
> get rid of the bubble boy.
> 
> Mark.

I agree 100%!  I'm usually stuck playing the feminist in class (I'm one 
of 15 women in a class of 70) and I thought that Maggie's reaction last 
night was way overdone.  She bit evey guy's head off and then bitched at 
them for wondering if she was O.K.  Did anyone see who wrote this episode 
(i.e., was it a man or a woman or a new writer who isn't used to Maggie's 
character).

She's usually much more normal than last night.  And why didn't she say 
anything after Ruth-Ann went on about giving birth, cooking and sewing.  
That was a great chance for her to talk about how being a women does not 
necessarily include those things.  Instead, she stared down Joel for no 
reason whatsoever, other than that he is a man.

If they were trying to get across the point that sexism is bad, they 
failed miserably since all of the main female characters (except Shelly) 
started being against all of the men without regard for their attitutes.  
That's no better than what they were protesting.

The best story line was with Shelly.  I haven't seen her that sensitive 
in a long time.

Ciao!

m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
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