From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Summary, Trinity vs LDS View fo the Godhead
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:17:38 GMT
Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec16.141343.4423@infonode.ingr.com> tensmekl@infonode.ingr.com (Kermit Tensmeyer) writes:
>>
>>Do you really have anything to sy relevant?  I mean, this whole letter is
>>juts a character assination.  Can we discuss issues?  Like why you and
>>Brigham Young worship different Gods?  Who was right?
>
>
> Just two points:  1) This is what Tony calls "character assination"
>
>		   2) This is what Tony thinks of as "relavent issues"
>
> Based on the amount of Email that I recieved this morning, I say that
> you have exhausted the amount of relavent issues that people seem to
> be able to tolerate. Only two LDS responded, the rest (18) were EV'rs
> Only one of them seemed to have any tolerance for you and your
> venamous spew (hi Robert)
>
>
> Do you have _anything_ of relevence to discuss?  I thought not...
>
>-- 
>         Kermit Tensmeyer                         | Intergraph Corporation
>   klt@kt8127.b23a.ingr.com                       | Deep in Dixie

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About the above.  Again, I am trying to discuss an issue with you.  I
asked you why you worship a different God than Brigham Young did?  I
asked you who was wrong.  I asked you was Brigham Young wrong when he
taught that Adam was our Father and our God, or is the church wrong
today?

These are relevant issues Kermit.  The God you worship is very relevant
to our discussion and to this newsgroup.  However, you again have avoided
the issues and attack my character with out-right lies.

Kermit, I am really tired of this trash and mudslinging.  I am sure that
everyone else is too.  We are here to discuss the doctrines of the LDS
church.  However, you continue to throw undeserving mud in my face.  You
know that your accusations are lies Kermit.  You accused me of
plagerizing to detail, but you could not post my words and tell everyone
just were I supposedly copied it from.  If you recognized the details
that you mentioned, you should know where it came from.  I challenged you
to back it up and tell us where I got it from if I plagerized it.  You
couldn't, but went on to more mudslinging.  You have made false
accusations to others to.  I just checked my archives and it was you that
accused Mark Fuller of being a JW.

Kermit, I don't know about your personal mail from others.  But I do know
that everything else you are lying about, so I have good reason to
believe that you are lying there too.  For one, I really doubt if any
EV Christians are writing you and complaining about me.  Because I get
letters every week letting me know I am being prayed for as I deal with
your mud.  And if they were truly EV Christians, they would write me in
they had a problem.  But again, I don't know for sure about your
personal mail.  But I do know one thing.  This is not the only place
where your accusations, lies, anger and attitude is unappreciated.

Kermit, I asked you to stop your lying about me and my character and
you just don't know where stop.  You tell me "I need to find Christ"
while you are posting jokes to alt.tasteless.jokes about marching band
sex and how the girls in your area are "good sex".  Don't make me post
those so that everyone can see the "Christ" that you know Kermit.  But
since you can't seem to get a handle on your lying tonge, I would like
to share with everyone, some letters that Kermit's "Brethern" have sent
to each other about how they like his behavior. Kermit
doesn't know that I have this stuff, so he is as surprised as you are
right now to see that I do.  Remember as you read, these are Mormons
talking to Mormons, about Kermit and his attitude.  Enjoy Reading.....

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>In-Reply-To: "Mail dated 92/12/02 17:56:16 UT from (MORMON-L%BYUVM.BITNET)

Kermit, I am troubled by what appears to be an ongoing, and
decided effort on your part to slander and ridicule someone
whom you disagree with.  One incident comes to mind, when
you openly *lied* by saying Mark Fuller told you he was JW.
When you could not deal with the Christian belief of God the
Father being known as Jehovah, you decided to malign your opponent
by pinning a label on him -- instead of considering the false teachings
of the LDS church.

This concern about your irrational and disgusting treatment of those
you disagree with is not limited to non-Mormons.  Even one of your
brethren made the following comments:

  >Date: 01 Dec 1992 22:13:18 -0700
  >Subject: RE: BofM & Hutchinson
  >
  >I was disappointed in Kermit Tensmeyer's emotional diatribe on
  >Tony Hutchinson, myself, and others who wish to pursue honestly
  >topics dealing with the historicity of the Book of Mormon.  I
  >believe there is nothing uplifting nor to be gained by maligning
  >the character of another (with whom one disagrees) in this way.
  >The increasing ferocity of Tensmeyer's personal vindictiveness in
  >his public postings on Mormon-L is most unfortunate.
  ...

A statement by Jesus comes to mind, "Then you will surely know them
by their fruits".

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Date: 01 Dec 1992 22:13:18 -0700
Reply-To: (MORMON List )                       (MORMON-L%BYUVM.BITNET)
To:       Multiple recipients of list MORMON-L (MORMON-L%BYUVM.BITNET)
Subject: RE: BofM & Hutchinson

I was disappointed in Kermit Tensmeyer's emotional diatribe on
Tony Hutchinson, myself, and others who wish to pursue honestly
topics dealing with the historicity of the Book of Mormon.  I
believe there is nothing uplifting nor to be gained by maligning
the character of another (with whom one disagrees) in this way.
The increasing ferocity of Tensmeyer's personal vindictiveness in
his public postings on Mormon-L is most unfortunate.

Perhaps other readers of Mormon-L would rather judge for
themselves some of the arguments Hutchinson has put forth.  The
following articles may be of value:

       Anthony A. Hutchinson, "Women and Ordination: Introduction
       to the Biblical Context," _Dialogue_, vol. 14, Winter 1981.

       Anthony A. Hutchinson, "LDS Approaches to the Holy Bible,"
       _Dialogue_, vol. 15, Spring 1982.

       Anthony A. Hutchinson, "Grace Unto the Gentiles: Weakness
       Made Strength in the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. [The
       Significance of Magic in the Restoration]," _Sunstone_,
       vol. 10, July 1985.

       Anthony A. Hutchinson, "Prophetic Foreknowledge: Hope and
       Fulfillment in an Inspired Community," _Sunstone_, vol.
       11, July 1987.

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 Date: 25 Oct 92 20:29:26 GMT

Kermit Tensmeyer sent me a somewhat nasty letter on the same subject
before seeing the above follow-up.  The contrast between his letter
and yours is quite striking, and reminds me of the differences I have
seen on talk.abortion between pro-choicers and pro-lifers, on the whole.
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Kermit, those "friends" of yours who are supposedly writing you about me
are also sending me your "love gifts" to Mormons across the world.
Kermit, everyone can see that you are bluff and lying.  When are you
going to stop your lying? Make a deal with you, you stop the lying and
I won't post anymore letters like this.   :-()