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From: maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Various questions...
Date: 10 Nov 1992 16:28:46 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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	Hello all. Thanks for clearing up the matter on 'Baby
	It's A Rich Man' - I'm glad it wasn't just me hearing
	things, because if I was hearing things, I wouldn't want
	to be hearing things like that. But still...some more
	questions which I would grateful if someone more knowledgable
	than me could clear up.

	1 - 'You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)' is a truly
	wonderful track. Why hasn't it been mixed into stereo?

	2 - I've got all the Beatles official releases, more or
	less, and am wondering if there is any legal way I can
	get copies of the unreleased stuff. Failing that, what
	bootlegs would you recommend for quality/content - I'm
	hopefully going to record fair in a couple of weeks and
	I don't want to waste my money on crackly mono versions of
	'Helter Skelter' or whatever. I'd be particularly
	interested in material from Rubber soul onwards...which
	reminds me, has the 'Sessions' album ever been released,
	legally or not?

	3 - Any news on the 'Long And Winding Road' and 'Making Of
	Magical Mystery Tour' films yet?

	4 - Any Rutles fans out there? Part of the fun of their
	album is trying to work out which Beatles songs are being
	parodied. Some of the Rutles songs correspond pretty
	obviously (i.e. Get Up And Go = Get Back) but there's a few I'm
	not too sure about, like 'It's Looking Good' and 'Cheese And Onions'...
	lists anyone?	

	5 - I'm rather surprised no-one has mentioned the new
	BBC TV series 'Get Back' on the net, since the programme
	almost entirely consists of Beatle in-jokes.

	And finally, I must agree about 'The Beatles Discography'
	being a tad inaccurate. I'm sure Paul played the drums
	on 'Back In The USSR' for a start...and as for the
	'Ultimate Beatles Quizbook', well, here's an example:
	Q Name the Beatles song which mentioned a sweater...
	A When I'm 64 
		No mention of 'Get Back' whatsoever...
				J. Morris

	"Blue upon blue upon blue..."


	
	
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From: nahigian@athena.mit.edu (Gabriel H Nahigian)
Subject: Re: Mia Farrow
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:06:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.170711.4634@verifone.com>, kent_f1@verifone.com writes:
|> >(Craig  Cameron) writes: (that Dear Prudence was written for Mia Farrow's
|> sister)
|> 
|> I don't have my books in front of me, but wasn't it Mia Farrow's
|> daughter?


No, it was her sister, Prudence Farrow, who, while in India with the Beatles and
the Maharishi, would spend all day sulking in her tent.

Gabe (nahigian@athena.mit.edu)
From: v201lrxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NOWHERE MAN)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Why I Like Vinyl, Part III
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Another reason for vinyl is that record sleeves don't break
in a million pieces when you drop them on the floor :)

mike
(an uncoordinated DJ)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:20:13 GMT

>jblum@next00clab.wam.umd.edu (The Maven) writes:
>: How about "Life In A Northern Town"?  The name of the artist escapes me,
>: but remember this verse:
>: 
>: He said
>: In winter nineteen sixty-three
>: It felt like the world would freeze
>: With John F. Kennedy
>: And the Beatles
>: 
>: (ghostly echo of crazed teenage screaming...)

	The Song was done by the group Dream Academy back in '86-'87 and it 
was from their self-titled debut album.  I think someone already said this
before, but this is then a surety.
	At the risk of perpetuating this (already-all-too-long) thread has
anyone mentioned the "Sgt. Pepper's" album put out by the way-too-groovy group
Big Daddy?
-- 
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From: tp923083@vine.canberra.edu.au (Simon Porritt)
Subject: You know my name
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Date:  8 Nov 92 23:59:13 GMT


I'd just like to say the 'You know my name (look up the number)` is a
groovy little jazz number.
`

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From: galuska@oz.asel.udel.edu (Scott Galuska)
Subject: Re: another reason why i miss vinyl (anybody remember vinyl?)
Organization: AI duPont Institute
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:37:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.005202.24748@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!) writes:
>i was in a record store (excuse me - a music store) and i found (in the
>oldies section) a tape single of let it be/you know my name. so i said
>to myself, 'hey hymie, you don't have ykmn, and it's not on an album,
>so perhaps you should grab it.' and i responded 'gee, you're right.'

For the record, "You Know My Name" appears on the US (& UK?) _Rarities_ LP,
as well as on _Past Masters, Vol. 2_....

>so i got it (over $3!) and take it home and look at the case.

Over $3?  Ouch!

>it turns out that this tape single (are all of them like this?) are two
>identical sides containing let it be followed by ykmn. 

Yep, they are all like that.  And if you're wondering, they are all of the UK
singles.  So don't bother looking for "The Long and Winding Road" on cassingle!

>so, what i will probably do is copy my let it be album (yes - vinyl) and
>my abbey road tape to opposite sides of a 90-minute tape and take ykmn to
>the end of let it be.  will 90 be long enough? or do i need a 100 or a 120?

_Abbey Road_ clocks in at 47:26 (CD time) so you MIGHT be able to squeeze it
on one side of a 45 minute tape (such tapes usually run a bit over 45 minutes, 
usually between 45:30 and 46:30, but I have tapes that have gone 47...).  

LIB will fit quite nicely on the other side (35:13 CD), as well as YKMN...

>*sigh* the more things change, the more i miss the good ol' days.
>ah, 1986...

1986?  The good old days?????   Oy-yoy-yoy...

-- 
Scott Galuska
Dept. of Computer & Info. Science        "There's no crying in baseball!"
Univ of Delaware
galuska@asel.udel.edu
From: maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Various questions...
Date: 12 Nov 1992 19:20:59 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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	First off, somebody mailed me asking when 'Get Back' is
broadcast. Sorry, I think I lost your letter, I'm still new to
this network thing...! So I sincerely hope you're reading this when I say
Mondays, 8.30, BBC 1.
	Next up, would anyone help me complete the following list
of Rutles songs against the Beatles songs they are parodying. Thanks
to the info. on 'It's Looking Good' and 'Cheese And Onions', by the way.
Here goes:
	The Rutles:			The Beatles counterpart:

	Goose-Step Mama
	
	Number One
	
	Baby Let Me Be

	Hold My Hand			Please Please Me? I Want To
					Hold Your Hand?
	Blue Suede Schubert		Roll Over Beethoven?

	I Must Be In Love

	With A Girl Like You		If I Fell?

	Between Us

	Living In Hope			What Goes On? Don't Pass Me By?
					Octopus's Garden?
	Ouch!				Help!

	It's Looking Good		I'm Looking Through You...
					I'm Happy Just To Dance With You?
	Doubleback Alley		Penny Lane

	Good Times Roll			Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
					Getting Better?
	Nevertheless			Within You, Without You

	Love Life			All You Need Is love

	Piggy In The Middle		I Am The Walrus

	Another Day			Martha My Dear?

	Cheese And Onions		A Day In The Life

	Get Up And Go			Get Back

	Let's Be Natural		Dear Prudence? Mother Nature's
					Son? Across The Universe?


	If anyone would like to fill in any the blanks above, or
	cross out anything I've put wrong, or anything, really, I'd be
 	most grateful...
					Jonathan Morris
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From: enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric Fischer)
Subject: Vocal Elimination the easy way (was Re: Beatle Anomalies)
Reply-To: enf1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:43:47 GMT

You don't need a computer to cancel out the center channels of records.
Essentially, there are two ways of doing this, one of which works only for
LPs, and the other in general.

The LP method is this: There are four wires connecting the cartridge to the
tone arm, on mine labeled black, red, blue, and green, corresponding,
respectively, to left, right, left-ground, and right-ground.  To perform
the modification (and incidentally, this is the same technique used to play
vertically-cut (Edison-style) disk records on a standard stereo turntable)
disconnect either the left or right main and ground signals and reverse them.
On my system, I usually change the right channel because it's easier to reach,
so I switch the red (right main) and green (right ground) wires to connect
to the opposite pins.  Then, on the amplifier, set the mono switch to hear
the signals cancelled out, or stereo to hear normally with one channel
out of phase (inaudible to most people).  The only time I switch mine back
to normal is to make cassette tapes, because the channel separation isn't as 
good on tapes as on other media.

My brother says he has done something similar for CDs by reversing the
polarity of one channel and disconnecting the ground wire to the other;
I haven't tried this myself, so I may not have the details exactly correct.

The other method (good only for playback, not for making tapes) works for
any signal source.  To use this method of cancellation, disconnect the
wires going from your speakers to the amplifier ground.  Leave the + wires
connected, however.  Then connect the - wires from both speakers to each
other, so that both speakers are connected in a loop going from the right +
to the left +.  This method has the advantage that you can use the balance
control to make the cancellation more precise.

I'm sorry for posting such a non-Beatles article to r.m.b, but since it's such
an often-discussed topic, it seemed worth sharing the information.

Anyone who wants any more information or clarification, please write.
Eric Fischer
enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu
From: ralley@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Thomas G Ralley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Lennon McCartney at New York Festival of Song
Date: 5 Nov 1992 13:05:30 -0500
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: world
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From the November 2 issue of the New Yorker:

A fresh dispatch from the Unity of Music front: the New York Festival
of Song, a lively group whose mostly downtown programs have lately found
a foothold at Lincoln Center's Walter Reade Theatre, is devoting its
first uptown program this year not to Schubert and Goethe, but to 
Lennon and McCartney. The program is titled "Ticket to Ride". NYFOS 
evidently believes that Beatles' songs have a musical substance that can
survive transfer from one format to another, and that their substance is
worth examining in the quiteter atomosphere of the song recital.

There won't be any arguments here: the vitality of a tradiby its capacity to assimilate new influences. At the same time,
the value of masterworks is proved by their capacity for conveying meaning
beyond the context of--or after the disappearance of--the traditions
from which they arose. So the art-song recital and Lennon and McCartney may
have a lot to say to each other from now on.

---------

David Ralley

-- 
One weighs the value of rules           |David Ralley
by letting them occasionally suffer     |ralley@function.mps.ohio-state.edu
an exception -- Richard Wagner          |sometimes you gotta break the rules
@#$%^&*()!@#$%^&*()!@#$%^&*()!@#$%^&*()!@#$%^&*()!@#$%%^&*Burger King &**&^^
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles Recording Anomolies
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:45:51 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

dbk@cs.umd.edu (Dan Kozak) writes:
>In article <8568@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> weiss@babbage.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct29.185727.22440@news.columbia.edu> brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:

>>>>Please Please Me - 1:27
>>>This song has two different vocal tracks.  While this is a performance
>>>error, using the track with the mistake could be considered a mixing
>>>error too.  After all, they did do it right once.

>>But PPM was recorded on a two-track.  There must be two completely different
>>takes.

>Right.  This was discussed a few months ago . . . 
>============================================================
>> "...in mono (version), engineer Norman Smith eited out this mistake
>> by replacing this flubb with the identical words from earlier in
>> the song."

>> So editing out Paul's mistake from the stereo version just got left out
>> during that exhausting day.

>Indeed, this is the important question.  The audible evidence seems to
>confirm it: the two lines sound identical to me and the non-audibility
>of the edit is consistent with the fact that it is from the same take,
>therefore reducing the number of variables (exact mike placement,
>etc.) that could result in an audible edit.

>It also makes sense that this might not have been documented, since
>making a second mix of one line from the same take and editing it in
>would be a fairly quick procedure and be more likely to escape
>notation than editing two different takes together, say.  It even
>seems plausible that it not being noted might have contributed to it
>being overlooked when the stereo mixes were prepared.

>============================================================

Personally, I liked the theory that the song was mixed once, but instead
of the mix being recorded on just *one* tape deck, they could have hooked
in another one. Result: 2 identical mixes for easy editing. It's a fairly
simple thing to do with a couple of "Y" connectors (and the engineers at
Abbey Road were supposed to be world-class twiddlers ...)

The stereo version could easily have missed this luxury (being "only a
stereo mix").

As to why it wasn't documented .... (???) I guess it would be fairly
simple (although it *does* seem rather doubtful, given their documentation
standards) to not mention "Oh, yeah, we mixed it onto 2 tapes instead of
one."

				James Willer
[any opinions above are already registered with the federal government]
From: fenick1@husc10.harvard.edu (Sharon Fenick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Revolution #9 and Dream#9
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:28:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov6.092822.17162

In article <1dcc9gINNlki@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com> mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti) writes:
>In article <72038389624034@c00740-400wi.eos.ncsu.edu>
>                                jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:
>
>>By what calendar is October the 9th month?  (And yes, I've heard this same 
>>claim uttered before, so I'm wondering if I'm missing something....)
>
>If we are brave enough to recognise that most us were not taught to enumerate
>correctly, and come to grips with the difference between enumeration and
>quantity, then January is month number zero, February is month number one,
>etc.  This makes October, the tenth month, month number nine.

Unfortunately this also makes the ninth day of October day number eight.

Take your pick, 9th month 8th day or 10th month 9th day.

;-) times 2.

sharon

>
>;-)
>
>-- 
>============================================================================
>Michael Kesti  Grass Valley Group, Inc. | "And like, one and one don't make
>    mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM              |  two, one and one make one."
>    !tektronix!gvgpsa!gvgspd!mrk        |         - The Who, Bargain
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: edc@dna.bchs.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Only A Northern Song
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:13:28 GMT

In article <Nov09.163028.56677@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>  
cs151fa@lamar.ColoState.EDU () writes:
> >
> >Another thing, on Yellow Submarine film, there is a verse in All Too Much
> >song, that is not on the version on the album of the same name. Does
> >anyone know the reason for that? Is the alternative version available
> >on stereo elsewhere than on the movie soundtrack?
> 
> According to Jeff Russell's album file/discography, yes the movie and the
> soundtrack version of It's All Too Much have one verse difference.  However,
> it's up in the air as to why this is.  In fact, according to Russell, both
> versions were edited from the same 30 minute recording, but this has never
> been verified (unfortunately).
> 
> BTW, if nobody out there has heard of Russell's book, I recommend it, as it
> tells interesting things about the songs, give clues as to the meanings of
> them, give instrumentation credits, and tell of all the neat hidden messages
> in songs (my personal favorite is still the morse code in Strawberry Fields).
> 


Ummm, Jeff Russell's book is not the most reliable of sources.   In fact,
it goes pretty far down on my personal list.  It seems as if Russell *made up*  
the majority of his facts  (at one point he claims George played the viola?! --
utter nonsense).   Further, being a decade old (and well before Lewisohn  
revolutionized Beatles research with _The Book_) what accurate information that  
is presented is covered much better, and in a much more complete form  
elsewhere.

In short, save your money on this one, and buy something from Lewisohn (if you  
don't already own all of his books), or one of the recent pretty-picture books  
from Linda or Mike McCartney.

<ESC>
--
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Beatle Boots 
From: rhill@netlink.cts.com (Ron Hill)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 02:26:03 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

        I have the file "Begginers guide to boots", from 1990, (I got it 
early this year?  Is there an updated version?
        I have "Ultra Rare Tracks I + II" and want to get more simular 
stuff, but the file says the later ones aren't so good.  Anyone have 
ideas on what to get next.  
        I'm also considering getting some "Beeb" performances.  Are there 
still rumours of these coming out officially?  Which is better, the 
"Broadcasts" or "From Us to you" or is there a better one now? 
        (oh, and are the later Ultra rare tracks as SHORT as the 
originalls?  It kinda sucks having to change CDs all the time! 

        I have two very early boots, called "Cum Back" and "Cavern CLub". 
 ANyone have details (Track numbers, etc) on the songs these contain.  
Are they worth anything? 

        laters! 

--                    
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From: a70901@uwasa.fi (Mikko Suhonen)
Subject: Re: Only A Northern Song
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:27:23 GMT

In article <MeyqSku00WB25XUlE7@andrew.cmu.edu> "Benjamin D. Lukoff" <bl2m+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Can anyone tell me why "Only A Northern Song" was mixed and released in
>mono? Also, as a followup to a previous post, I just felt the
>construction "I don't know if you're loving somebody, I only know it
>isn't mine" was so atypical for a song I felt it had to be a reference
>to "With A Little Help From My Friends". Back to the subject, I noticed
>"It's All Too Much" seemed to be recorded with two vocal tracks and a
>two-track instrumental bit, mixed full mono...why? It was 1968, for
>God's sake!
>---------------
>bl2m+@andrew.cmu.edu, lukoff@cmu.edu
>Carnegie Mellon University Music Pre-College 1992
>The program is over, but the account lives on........

According to Mark Levisohns book, ONLY A NORTHERN SONG was mixed only in
mono, because it was recorded on two separate tapes, and was therefore
very difficult to mix. The Beatles were not very interested on songs
for the Yellow Submarine album, so they didn't bother having the song
mixed for stereo. What a pity!

Another thing, on Yellow Submarine film, there is a verse in All Too Much
song, that is not on the version on the album of the same name. Does
anyone know the reason for that? Is the alternative version available
on stereo elsewhere than on the movie soundtrack?










-- 
Mikko Suhonen
Vaasa, Finland
(a70901@uwasa.fi)

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: daugherb@b8.b8.ingr.com (Bruce Daugherty)
Subject: Re: Lennon leads
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:00:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.230000.16565@midway.uchicago.edu>, rm34@quads.uchicago.edu (Brother Robert) writes:
> A subject that our good friend Mark is quite lax concerning is who plays the 
> various guitar parts on Beatles songs.  Specifically, who plays all the
> leads.  Now, George obviously takes the lion's share.  Paul always seemed to 
> get album credits on the early ones when he played lead (Another Girl etc.).
> John Lennon doesn't get one credit that I can think of, though I know of at
> least three occasions that he played lead guitar-- For You Blue, Get Back and
> the The End guitar duel, all obvious.  I seem to remember that he played the
> lead on And Your Bird Can Sing (I think I heard this on a long radio show some
> ten years ago when all the Beatles catalogue was broadcast in commemoration of
> the twentieth anniversary).  Anyway, I'm sure there were more times that John
> (or Paul, for that matter) played the lead.  So, what are they?
> 
> Let's chat
> Brother Robert
> 
> 
> PS. Did _Sessions_ go out of print with the publication of _Complete_?  Hope 
> not.  _Sessions_ is better for little esoteric things, and for those of us who
> like that stuff, it's invaluable.  

** I remember reading that JL came up with the catchy intro to I Feel Fine
** while in India. I've always wondered who played the part on record.
From: dennis@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dennis Alstrand)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:16:05 GMT
Subject: POLES THAT AREN'T PRESIDENTIAL
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles


Greetings Fellow rmbers,

Does anyone know anything about those 'Paul is Dead' clues that came out
around '70?  HEY!  I'M JUST KIDDING!  But now that I've forced your hair
to stand straight out, I just wanted to mention that I'm the guy who 
was just dumb enough to take over the Beatles' poll.

However, I'm not really interested in "favorite Beatles' song", or
"cutest Beatles".  My interest in the Beatles stem more from impact
points in my memory - seeing them on Sullivan, seeing the SFF/PL videos,
the mustache growing, etc.  And yet, I don't want a poll to leave out
the post Beatle generation.  I'll be posting a question or two soon,
and am open for suggestions meanwhile.



Dennis Alstrand
dennis@hpwrc11.mayfield.hp.com


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From: ehenry@hydra.unm.edu (Elizabeth Henry CIRT-IRC)
Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 03:30:47 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In a song on Billy Joel's "Turnstiles" LP there is a song
titled "All you want to do is dance" which includes the 
line "Why don't the Beatles get back together?".  
Joe D.  
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 20:54:49 GMT

wd208cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:

>And what about U2's GodII??  On the sleeve of Rattle and Hum it says
>the song was dedicated to Lennon...

That song makes more mention of JL than just the *dedication*!

They refer to several JohnSongs as well as that A.Goldman fellow
(who wrote that questionably researched book on JL just weeks (months?)
before.

			James Willer
[any opinions above must be registered with the federal government]