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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
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Subject: st vi:tuc musings/com
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:05:20 EST
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
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>   For that matter, I remember being overjoyed with Star Trek VI
>because everything that was stupid in the script had been either
>not shot or shot but cut - the result being a fast paced, witty,
>incredibly symbolic and intelligent send-off with only a few cringe-
>points (understandably so: like the applause at the end).
>   The reinstated scenes are stupid and unnecessary: the story was
>aptly presented without them, so their inclusion is unjustifiable.
>That's my $.02

(Hey, Scott, you still haven't replied to my message in e-mail...  :-) )

I downloaded the script a long time ago (can you believe it?) but I was
just wondering -- do I have the same script that you do?  My script
basically had several spelling errors and throughout it, Admiral
Cartright is referred to as Admiral Donald.  Also, some scenes like Kirk
telling Valeris "You know, I may be old in senile but when I'm in the
chair you LISTEN, got it?  Now -- plot a course to Kronos"
Valeris: Sir?
Kirk: I'm still in the chair!!!
Valeris: Aye.....


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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
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Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:49:29 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <AVENGER.92Jul27111121@realsoon.WPI.EDU> avenger@realsoon.WPI.EDU (Sam Pullara) writes:
>A phaser blast probably
>vaporises a good 2 kg of material (non-canon) from a person with the
>gas rushing off at 100-200 m/s.  An 80 kg person would be knocked back
>at between 200/80=2.5 m/s and 5 m/s, enough to knock someone against a
>tree or move someone through the air in zero-g.

2kg will leave a sizable hole!  

>
>I hope this settles this thread...
>

'fraid not. What about people who are stunned by a phaser, and yet
get tossed backward? The Klingon on Genesis in STIII may have not
been stunned, but Prof Crater in the Man Trap certainly was.  He got
up after Kirk shot him.

I'm sure there are other examples.  I just don't think the
`vaporization' guess is a really good one, when you take into account
the amount of material needed to be vaporized and the velocity it
needs to be expelled.


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From: kenward@cs.sfu.ca (Kenward Chin)
Subject: Re: Friendly little poker games?
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:42:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.172527.11312@cs.sfu.ca>, kenward@cs.sfu.ca (Kenward Chin) writes...
>
>Well, how about including Worf, Picard, and Crusher into the game?  Ok, let's
>rephrase the problem:
> 
>In a no-holds barred poker tournament involving every "regular" (you can
>interpret this yourself) member of the Enterprise crew, what would the final
>ranking be?

Oh, how about adding the TOS crew members also?  (Don't you all just *love*
silly threads like this?)  B-)

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From: kachun@astro.as.arizona.edu (Ka Chun Yu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:08:42 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <AVENGER.92Jul27111121@realsoon.WPI.EDU> avenger@realsoon.WPI.EDU (Sam Pullara) writes:
>Well, according to many episodes it heats things to high temperatures,
>like rocks, etc.  Now the momentum from the energy leaving the phaser
>is neglidible so a person would get no "kick" from it and the person
>it is hitting is not pushed by the momentum of the phaser beam.  When
>something is heated up, like a person which is mostly water, it boils.
>When enough of the material is vaporized at once you get an explosion,
>like if you put a top on a tea kettle and boil the water in it the cap
>(if closed, not a whistle kind) will explode off the spout from the
>force of the gas.  So if a person is hit by a phaser a good deal of
>material in his body is immediately vaporized and rushes away from his
>body at high speed and knocks him back.  A phaser blast probably
>vaporises a good 2 kg of material (non-canon) from a person with the
>gas rushing off at 100-200 m/s.  An 80 kg person would be knocked back
>at between 200/80=2.5 m/s and 5 m/s, enough to knock someone against a
>tree or move someone through the air in zero-g.
>
>I hope this settles this thread...
>

Nah it doesn't.  If there's so much heat involved, wouldn't it cauterize
all of the surrounding tissue so that after the initial vaporization, you
wouldn't have globules of blood spurting out?

(Just to show how these sort of threads can go on and on :)

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From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: Re: OK, NOW WHO'S THE GREATER SPACE BIMBO?
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:54:29 GMT

Sorry about the previous post.  Geez, one wrong key and everything's
gone!

In article <18544@drutx.ATT.COM> mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior) writes:
>We've established who is hotter.  Now who is the greater bimbo?
>
>My votes:
>
>1. Kirk
>2. Riker
>3. Troi
>4. Mrs. Troi (Luxwana (sp?))
>
>
>As for who is hotter (female version):
>
>1. Riker
>2. Worf
>3. Data
>4. (Younger) Kirk

Actually, my vote for greatest bimbo would be:

 1. Riker
 2. Deanna Troi
 3. Kirk
 4. Lwaxana Troi (Gee, I guess it runs in the family!)


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From: lfernand@ee.ryerson.ca (luis fernandes)
Subject: Re: More STTNG Actor Roles
Summary: Patrick Stewart in _Smiley's_People_
Keywords: Patrick Stewart 
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:33:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.045330.4212@midway.uchicago.edu> byrn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>I don't know if anyone has mentioned these yet, they're pretty obscure.
>
>During the period when Masterpiece Theatre was re-running _I, Claudius_
>I couldn't turn on PBS without seeing Patrick Stewart.  First, of course,
>there was his role as Sejanus in _I, Claudius_.  

[...]

How's this for *really* obsure (unless of course it's been mentioned):

Patrick Stewart appeared as Karla (head of Moscow Center) in
_Smiley's_People_:  the TV adaptation (shown either on Mystery! or MasterFarce
Theater) of Le Carre's novel.

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From: tbrown@cvgs.schools.virginia.edu (Travis Brown)
Subject: Re: Shatner and Nimoy in Boston--a request
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Lynchburg)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 13:01:37 GMT

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I was there (in Boston @ Quincy Market) on Friday the 17th. I
MISSED IT!!!!!

Passed it on the T and everything. Any details you wish to pass
on?

(I can't believe nobody told me)      ;-)

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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:03:02 GMT

In article <15501@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez006050@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu writes:
>Someone asked how the phasers could knock the Klingons back if the phasor fire
>has no mass, and therefore (according to the poster) no momentum.  Well, the 
>short answer is that particles of zero mass can have momentum.  You are 
>probably thinking of the old formula momentum = mass times velocity.  That is
>just not applicable to zero mass particles.  The momentum of light, for 
>example is directly proportional to it's frequency.  Even when you turn on
>a light bulb the light strikes you and "pushes" you a bit.  It's just a very
>very little bitty push.            Wade Greiner

True, (witness the photometer seen in every elementary school) but not
enough to push a 300 lb. man back forcefully in the absence of gravity.
I think the more likely explaination is that what we saw is called
"artistic liscense" and it's often much more fun to look at than
reality.

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From: p5ku@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (BAMFORD)
Subject: New Characters (splitting up the crew?)
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: canada,usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:20:09 GMT

	I was just reading these discussions, so I thought that I'd put
in a word or two.  Removing the characters in question from service aboard
the Enterprise might lead to a larger scope of storylines.  That is,
suppose Data, Worf, and JLP left to go on to bigger and brighter positions.
Conceivably, episodes could then be made centering on adventures happening
to any one of these people, and not just on the Enterprise.  This might
yield greater scope of plots, something which I feel has been lacking
this season (save one or two of the episodes).  Besides, the reassignment
of Chekov in STII and Sulu in STVI didn't really hinder the Enterprise
(albeit these are not great examples, as both screenplays were written
with the purpose to bring them back into the action).

	Actually, I always wondered what ST:TNG would be like if they turned
it into a "St. Elsewhere" or "L.A. Law" type format, i.e. multiple
subplots which continue from week to week.  If the Enterprise crew
got split up, this could possibly be a good way to follow them.  

	Ideas? Opinions? 16 ton weights?

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From: cfsje@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Susan Eisenhour)
Subject: Re: TNG Bumper Sticker Sighted!
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:57:29 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

I have one that says: "Romulan Military Academy".
Makes a nice contrast when one lives in a college town.
Got mine at a con in Des Moines & haven't seen one since.
From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
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Subject: Re: ST VI:TUC -- why the Romulan?
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:38:22 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

Sorry about my previous post.  (damn editor!)

Anyway, this should have been included as the quote from Nicholas Meyer.

	"I'm sure there will be this outcry as to why there is a Romulan
	character in the Federation capital.  And I don't know why he's
	there except to serve my own purposes.  There is no question
	that this movie will be hotly debated, if only for its "errors."

That's what "the man" said, folks.  Read into it what you will.

Marg
aka Elvira
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From: twap8@isuvax.iastate.edu (Mike McNarney)
Subject: Q and the Borg
Reply-To: twap8@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:13:19 GMT

I seem to recall seeing a discussion about the powers of Guinan and Q
and how they compare to the Borg. Q-? was on last night, where Q sends
the Enterprise out to meet the Borg for the first time, calls Guinan
an imp, and they both make funny gestures with their hands. Anyway,
when Picard finally rolls over and asks Q to send the Enterprise back,
(back into the Federation parts of the universe), Q snaps his finger, 
then we see the Borg vessel disappear in a Q-ish flash of green light
, then the E starts spinning around (like it always does when Q does
something) on its way back to the known universe.

Point here is that I remember reading here that Q does not have powers
over the Borg; however, it would now appear that he does. 

-Mike.

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From: wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Reply-To: wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 12:26:49 GMT


In a previous article, kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) says:

>Light has energy, too, and therefore momentem as a result.  It can be
>assigned an equivalent mass using E=mc^2.  Thus its momentum, in a
>classical sense, is mc (or E/c).  Since a phaser beam is supposed to
>pack a lot of energy, it should have momemtem too, and cause a recoil
>for the person holding the weapon (just like firing a conventional
>gun or rifle). SF movies often forget about this.

Don't worry.  No one will rest until an explanation can be found for
why the phaser blast knocks people down, but doesn't recoil.  It
couldn't possibly be an oversight on the part of production...
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From: tad2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry A. Donaghe)
Subject: Re: Season 6 Transporter Accident
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:48:29 GMT

Is this going to be a for really real episode?


Sounds pretty cool... But it also sounds like they're grabbing for
ratings...  I'll watch it though.  :)



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From: "sam lefkowitz" <sam.lefkowitz@canrem.com>
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Subject: cloaking device
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:48:12 EST
Reply-To: "sam lefkowitz" <sam.lefkowitz@canrem.com>
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  This may sound simplistic but why hasn't the Federation created their
own cloaking device? They had the Klingon version on their trip to Earth
to save the whales. I assume they are able to takes things apart and
copy them. Any Ideas?
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From: lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Kling is a...
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:19:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Jul31.191953.12863
Organization: Western Washington University


Now calm down everyone.

"Kling" is a breath mint AND a candy mint.
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From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: Re: Friendly little poker games?
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:43:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.230952.21772@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson) writes:
>
>In a previous article, babin@ifthen.enet.dec.com (Ken Babin) says:
>
>>I guess I missed the reference to cards that Georid can't read. I thought he
>>just said he wasn't reading them during games.
>
>>Riker is more insightful, but Data can calculate the odds better, and cheat 
>>when he deals.
>
>You know, I get the impression that people are assuming the players will
>do anything, including cheat, to win.  [stuff deleted]

You know, this started out being a *fun* thread.  You are all taking
this *much* too seriously.  We are assuming a no-holds-barred, take-
advantage-of-every-edge-you-have game.  The whole thread is theoretical.
Getting into "Geordie can only see through certain cards", and "Data
would never stack the deck" defeats the humor, guys.  :-)

I personally think that counselor Troi would win hands down.  She would
continue to say perfectly obvious, inane things throughout the game
until everyone would fold just to get away from her!  :-)

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Klingon Home Planet
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:00:59 GMT

In article <18493@drutx.ATT.COM> mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.120907.4286@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, msears@mta.ca writes:
>|> Ever since i can remeber the show starting i thought it was called Kitimar or
>|> Kittimar...Just my thoughts!
>
>No, Kittemer (sp?) was where the treaty was signed between the Federation and the
>Klingons.  Worf was born there (the Kittemer massacre) happened there.

I have nothing to add to this thread, except to say that it's spelled
"Khitomer".


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From: pejanes@cayley.waterloo.edu (Peter Janes)
Subject: Re: Sirtis's English accent
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:21:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.121838.5711@iscsvax.uni.edu>, althof5805@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> 3)  Thanks also to Hilary for making me think harder about Picard's accent. 
> Not that I would *ever* change Patrick Stewart's accent--it is just too
> beautiful (the result, I believe, of Shakespearean acting experience--check out
[.....]
> How about--Picard was kidnapped as a child and raised by a troupe of vagabond
> renegade Shakespearean cult members?

Or, to relate STTNG to HHGttG:

Picard _was_ raised in France... or rather, on France, an island which, by
some meaningless coincidence, has the same name as the country on Earth.  (BTW,
it's on the same planet as Easter Island... another meaningless coincidence.)

Of course, they speak with that accent on France (after all, Douglas Adams _is_
British).
From: v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: cloaking device
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:21:00 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <711755289474@neptune.mcs.anl.gov>, deboer@neptune.mcs.anl.gov (Ms. Jennifer L. DeBoer) writes...
>In article <1992Jul21.3208.8566@dosgate> "sam lefkowitz" <sam.lefkowitz@canrem.com> writes:
>>
>>  This may sound simplistic but why hasn't the Federation created their
>>own cloaking device? They had the Klingon version on their trip to Earth
>>to save the whales. I assume they are able to takes things apart and
>>copy them. Any Ideas?
>>--
> 
>From what I understand, a cloaking device requires a lot of power, more
>than the average starship can afford to generate (especially since
>there's so much more to cloak).  The Romulans and the Klingons have smaller
>warships, so they can afford the extra power which the larger scientific
>vessels of the Federation can't produce, at least not with any efficiency.

also cloaking implies sneaking around, something the federation is not 
supposed to do. so while the technology is readily available to them, they 
choose not to use it. IMHO.

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Subject: Klingon StuffOkay, time to cover a whole bunch of stuff about the Klingons:
From: <JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 12:12:18 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

the differing appearance from TOS to TNG, and the homeworld.  Hey,
this is only my understanding and opinion.  Flames on the Net, please.
 
Appearance:
     In the TNG book(non-canon, but it makes sense) that was a guide to
the various races that made up the ST universe, it is stated that the
Klingons the Federation first encountered and had dealings with had been
physically altered to appear more human.  The Klingons have this tech-
ability: remember the human-looking spy in "Trouble w. Tribbles"?  As
contact continued the Klingons gave up on this and appeared as they truly
are.
     As to the variation of headbumps and skin color, I put this down to
there being ethnic groups among the Klingons.  In ST V - these klingons had
slim ridges and wore light colored vests instead of the traditional full
Klingon armor: my feeling is that these Klingons are from a desert-type
environment and thus have adapted differently: physically and clothingwise
as well.
 
Klingon Homeworld:
     In "Heart of Glory" Worf is goaded to see if he is still a " true son
of Kling.".   There is no mention of Kling being a planet.  In one of the
"Best of Trek" collections, someone wrote that Kling was the first Klingon
to be a warrior, to live their code, etc.  This may be what the writers
meant.  Also, since the Fed. and the Klingons begin better relations in
ST VI, Kronos may not have been abandoned.  If it was, then perhaps the
new homworld was renamed Kling, although I have only heard them call it
"the Klingon homeworld" in TNG.  If someone can show an episode where the
homeworld is called "Kling" please point out your evidence.  The name and
personna of Kling is from a non-canon source, though.
 
     I too wish they had been cleared and had a better eye to continuity,
between movies and show.  This kind of analysis shouldn't be necessary.
Oh, about the death ceremony: remember that the ambassador in TUC is a
member of the Klingon aristocracy, not a warrior.
 
Jim
Lift at the Klingon Death Gym!
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