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From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Re: Shivvering in DeKalb???
Date: 4 Oct 92 10:15:02 GMT
Organization: who, me?

I'm not into <formal> logic, but it seems to me you claimed only that
lower tax rates removed <one incentive> for cheating: some people
cheat because they think it's fun, etc.  If among the set of cheaters,
there were those who cheated because of <*high* dollar amount> of payoff
<alone>, reducing the rates would reduce the number of cheaters.

However, if there are no cheaters for  whom thatwas the *only* reason,
reducing the rates will not have reduced cheating.  

Have I misused the concept of <fungibility> here?

--bayla





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Dan writes:

>probably nothing in that year worth responding to.....

Only three articles. :-)

>or else she works as an undercover cop/narc/fed/spy and is used to just
             *****
>watching and listening and keeping her lip zipped.....

Make that past tense and leave off the last three.... and BINGO! Rashmi
has to forfeit the prize for being the most perceptive.

Carolyn
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Greetings,

Inform this befuddled soul the lyrics are the words sung or spoken to the
accompaniment of the musical score.

Marty
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From:         "(Graham Toal)" <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: Tushar's Test
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] Syaeht "(Graham Toal)" <gtoal@BLADE.STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
]
] > Why do men spell so badly?
]
]      Gee, G, why do you spell so well?
]
] Bob

Jeez Louise, I'm even beginning to sympathise with tushar's perpetual
annoyance at people never seeing his jokes...

From tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU:
: >Typical male chauvanist remark!
:
: Why can't women spell well?
:
: tushar
From: tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
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Date: 5 Oct 92 22:38:23 GMT
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>I don't think so.  Tushar deliberately separates his list self from his real
>self, but not all of us are so schizophrenic.
>
>Karen

Well, then be a bit more realistic and try to be "schizophrenic". This
is a list, for god's sake.

Of course, I wouldn't give a damn even if there were a FF like this in
"real life". There was a milder one in the math department a year ago,
and I got voted as the "person most likely to be found in the computer
room". I was also runner up in "person most likely to be found in the
coffee shop".

With that implied decadent time-wasting and dull life I still did fine
in my classes, so what would I have gained by getting upset, hurt or
mad about it that time?

Similarly, if ONE person, on an electronic list, votes for me in the
subjective category of most-boring-life, maybe not even believing it
all that much, I can't summon enough energy to react in any way. It's
nothing to do with niceness.

And WHAT'S with most-boring-life anyway? Never thought it would be that
upsetting to anyone.

tushar
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:40:52 -0400
From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Test your newbieness!!
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              "tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU" at Sep 29, 92 1:03 pm

> > ...
> >
> >Santa
>
> We announce: A new self-test!
>
> Guess who this is. Please use typographical, syntactic, semantic, discursive
> and stylistic clues in the whole letter to make an educated guess.
>
> Every sentence has the stamp of its owner on it. If you are not a newbie, you
> will know. Take this as the test of your newbieness. If pressed, I will
> publish my own answer.
>
> tushar
>

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, Tushar...does this mean that you *really* **don't** believe in
<big eyes> -Santa Claus- [of the subordinate clause of the
aforementioned party of the first part ,partying on to this list,
disturbing the peace (cease-fire, maybe), and causing divisiveness and
the parting of the ways between "newbies" (sic, Sic, SIC) and, I
would presume "oldies", though not necesserily "goodies" <big breath>
of the second part...?]

Tell me, Tush (if latter apellation is not too cheeky coming from a
relative "newbie" [how long does it take for one to feel one's age
on this list - when one ceases to be a "newbie", I wonder ... is Words-l
sort of like one of those isolated in-bred villages where newcomers
are "newcomers" even after 50 years? Gads])

 -- so tell me Tush - were you *always* a cynic or did this list
turn you into one?

OR - was it the other way around and you WERE a cynic and now are
working to turn into cynics those of us who would otherwise happily, if
idiotically naively, believe in the existence of creepy-crawly critters
such as "Niteman" without hints that you could/would/might have
had something to do with them crawling out from under the e-rocks and
fowling up Words-l's otherwise pristine (hohoho) atmosphere? [well, he *was*
turkey, artificial or not...]

In other words, is cynicism the terminal outcome of (even marginal)
membership in the wordsler (any connection with "Dead Poets"???) society?

Just curious of the fate awaiting me...

Agnes
who believes cynicism in small quantities is good but that it may well be
toxic and hazardous to your health in the mega-doses floating around here...
- and hereby trying to contribute fodder to Tush's mimicry-machine...
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Final updage on imprisoned students
Date: 1 Oct 1992 19:47:27 GMT
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In a previous article, kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA ("") says:

>>
>> What a tragic story.......my heart and prayers go out to that young lady's
>> family and friends.
>>
>>                             Peace,
>>                                   Don
>Ditto.
>Agnes
>
So motioned. 

Ruth
-- 
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
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Subject: How I found Words-l
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:43:26 GMT
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I keep an eye on news.lists waiting for somebody I know to flip out
and start posting like crazy.

Sometime during May I noticed that three of the top 25 people
posted primarily to a group I'd never heard of -
"bit.listserv.words-l".

I was quite curious as to what could be so interesting.  What was
the "words" reference?  Surely somebody named Natalie Maynor had
not generated 200+ contributions in two weeks discussing etymology.
My top guess was that several people were doing crosswords online.

I tried to add this group to my .newsrc without success (as it
turned out I had forgotten the hyphen).

Two weeks later I saw the situation was similar, and tried to
read this mystery group again.  This time I spelled it right and
succeeded in seeing the group.

I had no idea what I had found.  I was reading at work and couldn't
believe that nearly a thousand posts were alive given our one week 
expiration time.  To make things even more confusing almost all of
the posts involved the word "clam".

I stopped reading after a few dozen of those baffling posts and
decided I had discovered a different sort of talk.bizarre.
Nonetheless the next day I returned, convinced that reading for
a few more minutes would make everything clear.  An hour later I
was no more enlightened.

It took about a week before I realized that real people were
planning a real meeting.

It took longer for me to realize that the sole purpose for words-l
is to be words-l.

After six weeks of decreasing (but never disappearing)
confusion I saw what Natalie wrote about her computer problems
and I decided I'd never have a better excuse to jump in.

The rest, as they say, is archived.

--karsten

(For analysis by mental health professionals, I'm sure)
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:24:36 EDT
From:         "(Rashmi)" <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
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              "WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu" at Oct 5, 92 1:12 am

> Ah.  That's what I've been waiting for.  Within about a day you can expect
> the US to find 'conclusive proof' it was the Libyans who brought it down,
> then it's off for a little pre-election bombing raid...
>
> G

Ah, Graham... reasoned, informed and rational as ever.

(And you can say "I told you" later, if need be)

rashmi
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>Say, Carolyn, I've always wanted to ask but never found anyone suitable:
>how the hell can anyone lurk this list for months and months and never
>actually post anything?  (OK, I know, you finally did, but I have
>genuine trouble understanding this.)

There's nothing much to 'really' understand. Being a lurker is very much like
reading other people's mail. There's a certain thrill involved in doing that,
that in itself is quite rewarding. There is also the 'fly on the wall' felt-
effect..... almost like a soap-opera being played out on the Internet. If
you can explain to me why people watch soap-operas on TV, I think you will
have answered your own question. I have an intense dislike of TV soapies, but
here it's different.... there's 'real-life' and 'real people' and for anyone
interested in finding out 'how the other half live', lurking offers an
invaluable opportunity.

I actually have posted before - twice in fact - but the volume of email was so
great at the time that they were easily overlooked and deleted without being
read by anyone. :-(  So I just sat back and awaited another opportunity to
try to join in again.... enjoying your 'continuing saga' in the meantime. :-)

Carolyn
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Blinking Lights

>     I once passed a police car (It was going the other way and
>chasing a speeder at the time.) in Wyoming while doing about 85-90.
>(Hey, it was a bloody rental with a 4-banger.)  I got to see the
>definitive look of frustration on his face as he read his radar gun
>and had to chose which of us to chase.
>
>The Ronin

NOT!!! Cops chasing speeders to not have their radar guns poking out the
window.  Also, radar guns are not wired into the speedometer. He would
therefore have had to have his radar out the window, it would have had to been
operating, he would have had to look at it, subtracted his speed from the speed
being displayed and figured out you were doing 20 miles over the limit.  If he
was chasing a speeder, chances are he was doing 85-90 too.

Sorry, Ronin.  Don't see how this can be.

Chris
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Date:         Fri, 25 Sep 1992 16:07:45 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      There wasn't a subject line

>A number of people have requested a re-posting of the call for papers
>for the Ninth Computers and Writing Conference, so here it is.

Who are these people? How many of them on words-l?

tushar
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Date: 1 Oct 92 10:36:57
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Tushar observes:
   And finally, the most interesting:

   >the virtual earth-mother:  //anne//

   You know, if you think about it, it ... makes total sense ... wonder who
   thought of this nicest vote of all. I strongly feel that //anne// should
   not be offended by this one.


I am actually nicely pleased...I take it as a compliment.  Things are a bit
tumultuous for me at the moment...it was nice to be able to take a
"time-out" and remind myself of the greater things in life when I saw this.

"Comes a time
when the blindman takes your hand, 
says, "Don't you see? 
Gotta make it somehow 
on the dreams you still believe." -grateful dead

//anne//
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From:         Emily Horning <ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Nice job!

> Jim (never underestimate cooks or librarians) Thomas
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^

I _knew_ there was a reason I liked this guy! 8-)

Emily (librarian @ UCLA)
--who saw Bruce Willis on her walk this morning........
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From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Report from VMI
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Just thought I'd let you know that I got a reply to the note I sent to
VMI last night.  It had been forwarded to the person who apparently replaced
the boy named Alice... to the person I had talked to on the phone a few
weeks ago.  :-|

Since it was private mail, I won't post his reply.  I will say that he
apologized to "you [me] and others on the Words-L list" and said that he
"will take care of the problem today."  (I don't think anything really
terrible will happen to the kiddies.  The tone of the note I sent last
night and the tone of the reply both suggested a need for discussions of
netiquette more than anything as extreme as yanking accounts.  My reply
to his reply emphasized again my concern that VMI is looking idiotic on
the net and that surely there are a few decent people there who might find
the image embarrassing.)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         harwell@SMTPGATE.TECHRSCS.PANAM.EDU
Subject:      Re: Mama Judith
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>>We can all beg her to come back.  I miss her, too.
>>Evelyn
>
>	Moi aussi.
>
>-maya

I think we should all unsub from the list in a show of solidarity with her.

-abh
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Date: 27 Sep 1992 03:57:20 GMT
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In a previous article, WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (The Ronin) says:

>Ruth,
Yes Bob?

>     You offered your 'zuchinni bread for the thousands' recipe in
>exchange for a brownie recipe.  How about the family pecan pie recipe?
>Matter of fact, we could probably digest EAT-L if we gave it a go.

Well, I would if I had one, but the family recipe comes from Georgia by way
of Parade Magazine.  It's one of the few newspaper recipes I've found that 
were good.  You still want the thing?

The Nethead

>
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From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Printing from the OED2nd on CD
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Thanks for this, Dan, on OED2. I am an editor with the Perseus
Project, which has published a data base of Ancient Greek
civilization on CD. It includes Greek and English text, lexical
tools, digitized images of art and archaeology, atlas, ktl.

That Oxford has deliberately hindered printing of OED2 does not
surprise me. They haven't a clue what electronic publishing is
all about. Oxford Classical Texts (and the German Teubner editions)
are the standard in our field. We had to negotiate rights with
Oxford to some of the Greek text for bucks, and they have been
sticklers with the TLG project (CD of all Greek lit) at Irvine. Like
who's going to get rich printing out copies of Ancient Greek? Pirated
editions of Sophocles? Give me a break! Same with the OED2. Oxford,
it seems, these visions of unscrupulous users distributing illegal
print outs of the letter Q. As a result they hinder its use by making
it extremely difficult to print. It looks to me as though they are
kicking themselves in the teeth.

Perseus, on the other hand, works on the Mac-based HyperCard.
You can copy a stack to your hard disk and use it however you
want. You can print out "within reason" what you need for research
and teaching according to our publisher, Yale University Press.
Perseus version 1.0 takes up between 680-700 Meg, slightly more
than the OED, and you can buy it for $125. I do not know what
the OED2 CD costs, but I can tell you that if the price were
right and Oxford weren't so up tight that they restrict its
use, there would soon be one on every desk.

William P. Merrill
Harvard University
st401601@brownvm.brown.edu
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:51:14 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      A new game.

I have just thought of a cool new metagame. Why not have ggs publish
the list of voters? The voted will then guess who voted for what.

Again, the winning people will be announced and the most accurate of
us Voteds will get another prize. Of course, it will only be a contest
of guessing what us Voteds THINK, nothing to do with who REALLY voted
for whom, see?

More fun, more spice, more zest to life. I may still have the results
of the WFF, which has the list of voters. If ggs is tired of grading,
I will conduct it.

Only PLEASE don't mail to me, post it to the list, because I ignore all
my email except ones coming from words-l.

tushar

I'll post the list of Voters tomorrow. Voteds, start thinking about who
voted you "Most Irritating".
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Something (somewhat) serious.

Tushar, or any body with mathematical or physicistical leanings, what is
potential energy and how is it measured? Is it what you would get if you could
split all the atoms in an object?  Am I close?

Chris
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Date: 3 Oct 92 12:50:28 GMT
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I have but one real bone to pick with Mr Derrida: an objector to the game,
I am <neither> a conservative nor liberal.  Further, I made my disapproval
known early, though not in violent detail.  I did so privately, since I
did not know how many shared my distaste, and I did not wish to be the 
sort of <spoilsport> grannies are so often accused of being, in the event
that all the others really enjoyed the game.

One error of judgement I must confess to: I *really* should have known
that wordslers would hardly be unanimous on anything less certain than
the direction commonly attributed to the setting sun on the day of the 
equinox as observed from the equator. [in the US dialect of the English
language, of course, and always subject to evolution/changredefinition.]

--bayla

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ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka) writes:
> While we're in here, let's see if any of Dawn's buddies recongize
> this:
> 		Sagt Mir Wo die Blumen sind

Aww, just when I was expecting "In Muenchen ist das Hofbrauhaus".

--karsten

("Eins, zwei,...")
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> I agree with Ruth about Baptist churches:  They won't let women preach
> or teach adult Sunday school classes.  I used to be a Baptist.
>
> Evelyn

Where does this information come from?  My mama taught Sunday School
(adult) for 50 years, though they made her quit when she supported
dances for teen-agers at the local youth center.  Then, they got
over that and let her teach again.  *But* they didn't let her
preach.  Some Baptist churches do have female preachers, however.
Those churches are considered a little <off-brand>, though.
--ggs (a Baptist from way back....)
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From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: ggs provides the opening...
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              552-3403" at Sep 30, 92 2:33 pm

>
> Babble, babble, etc.  I could have just posted something like
> "Hey guess what, I got married." but didn't want to be accused of
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> submitting one-line posts when I post so few!
>
>                                   Rita L.
>                                   LEONARD@BCVMCMS
>

Congrats, Rita - or condolences, take your pick. At this point
congrats are more like what you (anyone) would want to hear, I'd guess.

Agnes
who has caught the cynicism bug
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