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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 11:33:43 CDT
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Time Magazine

>> Tony (alright - "check" for the Americans) H.
>
>Tony, you know how much I love you....I can tolerate check or cheque
>but I cannot TOLERATE the first word inside the parens.  ARRRRRGH!

Wait ! What's going on here ? What's the rule ?

tushar
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From:         Judith Schrier <PRIMATE%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: childhoods....such as they were
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>I hate the now passe' bumper sticker "Shit Happens", but it is true...
>However, I recently saw one that said "Good Happens" and that is what
>I prefer to pay attention to....

Ok, gang. I think it's time to tell the Hell and Heaven story.
A few of you have heard it already.

Hell is a HUGE banquet hall, with tables piled high with the
most beautiful, delicious smelling food imaginable. Everyone
is fastened down into a chair, so that they cannot lean forward
and put their faces into the food. Everyone's hands have been
removed, and replaced with very long forks and spoons, so that
they can pick up food, but cannot get it into their mouths.
Everyone is sitting around being very hungry and angry.

Heaven is a HUGE banquet hall, with the same wonderful food, the
same chairs holding the people down, the same long implements in
place of hands. Everyone is sitting around feeding each other.

love, judith ("Hell is other people, and so is heaven")
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      Re: Fitting in

As an Aaron, it appears that alliteration is apparent.

--AAAAAAron
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From:         CHADG%CLEMSON.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Elvis stamp

But won't you be one of them? :)
cagi
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Hello???
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> Is anyone there???
>
> Akio Tanaka/7 Apr 92/11:26 am.

I'm baffled by the list/net/whatever mysteries.  Akio is not getting
any list mail at his bitnet address; Lisa A. is getting list mail many
hours late at her internet address; I'm for the first time ever finding
that list mail comes through fine to my bitnet address but takes
several hours to my internet address (and our bitnet link to UGA
rides on our internet link).  Yet mail FROM my internet address gets
through fine.  The same is true for commands I send to the listserv.
I get replies quickly via bitnet but an hour or two late via internet.
List mail to usenet (through a gateway with an internet address) is
being distributed on schedule.  These are only a few of the oddities
I've noticed.  The net goblins are obviously going wild.  I'm giving
up and going to bed.  When I get up tomorrow, it won't surprise me
to find that the goblins have devoured the whole network and we're
left with computers blowing smoke.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      Deserving Flames

Deserve - to merit, be qualified for, have a claim to - does any of these
definitions fit Magic/AIDS situation?  If so, who makes the "deserving"
judgement?  I think "deserve" is the wrong concept - as others point out.
Rather, (in Magic's case), contracting AIDS was a calculated risk, which
apparently he was willing to take.  More simply put, "if you play with
fire, you will get burned".  But, hopefully you will not burn others!
Few of us get (or don't get) what we "deserve".  Certainly, you have read
of cases where people committing crimes are hurt in the commission of that
crime - and then sue (sometimes successfully) the victim because they
were hurt!  Sorry, I have little sympathy for someone (myself included)
that take certain kinds of risks (i.e. while I would never sky dive
myself, I would not feel that a person whose chute failed to open
"deserves" what happens to them).  So, do I sometimes make judgements on
other people's actions?  Certainly!  Do I have a right to?  Maybe, at
least as much as others who judge my thoughts.  Well, guess I'll get off
this flame talk - too serious for me anyway.  Was going to tell you a
joke about four ministers, but won't - probably already told it before
anyway.

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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From:         Emily Horning <ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Derek Jacobi

As I recall, DJ's role in "Dead Again" required him to stutter too! He played
the antiques dealer, who many years earlier had murdered Kenneth Branagh's
wife. As a child (in the movie) he had had a stutter, and when he was trying to
kill the wife, the stutter returned. Guess those early roles have come
back to haunt him......But he truly is a wonderful actor.

                             Emily
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: nothing wrong

Sayeth        Les Buhite

> ^^^^^^^^^^^ I love it! Jail-bait, gator-bait, queer-bait... is there a
> file of these  "-baits" somewhere

     Don't forget 'glean-bait'.  Local but potent.

> <I think some research has been done on this, but I can't swear to it.
> <Apocryphally I suggest that the mental stack for nested clauses has a
> <depth of about 7.
> Along the same lines, I've heard that 7 is the maximum number of random
> items the brain can handle without having to count individually. Wonder if
> the phenomema is related.

     Unless I am grossly mistaken, Les, you are mixing two different
concepts here.  One is number sense.  This refers to being able to
tell one pile or group of things is larger than another when the
difference is one and without counting.  I recall reading (but not
where) that crows can do this to about 4.  Most humans learn to count
at too early an age to be tested, but I think the number given was
about 5 or 6.  The 7 (and this I have been told through both
linguistic and CS courses) should (if I understand this right)
actually be 7+-2, and refers to the number of 'independent' thoughts
that the human mind can hold at one time.  I quoted independent
because none of my professors who presented this concept could also
give any definition of independent.

[Things I don't know enough about to comment on deleted]

> So within the framework of economics, one can point out cultures that are
> more successful than others, and make a case that the success is a product
> of the culture, and point out that language is at least a co-requisite
> of culture.

     But if the shape of a particular language is dependent on the
culture, then while a culture will have a language the language will
be a product of the culture.  Thus it isn't the learning of the
language so much that might encourage one to excel in an area, as
learning the cultural values behind the language.

The Ronin
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:16:17 MST
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
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              9 Apr 1992 12:25:00 PST from <CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:25:00 PST Lobstrosities Unite said:
>Yeah, but Natalie had no idea what a Turning Machine was.  I assume she has
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Sure she did.
                                      She knew it was a lathe.

>some idea of what a Turing machine is.
   And if she didn't, she'd look it up, I bet.

Glad you are unconscious, Mr. Genius.  Have a good weekend up there.

dan
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: instant soprano

>--Bayla, in Pedant hat, notes that it is her understanding that castration
>*after* the voice has changed does *not* result in sopranification of the
>victim.  The famed castrati were mutilated before adolescence, their
>parents being the ones giving "informed consent."
>
>I doubt, however, whether accuracy will prevail over colorful idiom,
>especially one so closely related to tender male sensitivities.
>
>--bayla

Not to mention the difficulty you'll have in finding willing participants on
which to test your hypothesis.

Chris
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:36:55 -0400
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From:         "Peter Larimer @ U.N.H." <P_LARIMER%UNHH.UNH.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: America's Cup
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Looks like Dennis got ripped off yesterday, he was clearly forced into the
mark. Better luck next time Nippon (how 'bout that carbon fiber?).

Pete
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From:         torkel%SICS.SE@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: ODDS 'N' ENDS
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  Natalie's skeletal explanation:

  >As a linguist, I know that language, although difficult to define, is
  >usually thought of as a system of communication used by human beings.
  > ..I know that language/dialects are dynamic.  They all change.
  >I know that one reason languages/dialects change is to meet the changing
  >needs of speakers.  I know that all languages/dialects are capable of
  >such change.  If a system of grunts meets the needs of the speakers of
  >English, there's no way it can be deemed "wrong."

  There are several interesting points raised even by this skeleton, and
I'd like to begin by picking out one of them for further clarification.
Above there is again a shift away from the question at issue, which was
whether there would be anything wrong with English *changing* into a system of
grunts. It has not been suggested that there is anything wrong with a system
of grunts. So let us suppose that a system of grunts meets the needs of
the speakers of this evolved version of English. Then, obviously, their
needs must have changed dramatically. For example, they have no need for
mathematics or literature. How do you conclude, from linguistics or by
any other means, that there is nothing wrong with a change in human culture
whereby there is no further need for mathematics or literature?
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From:         "AARON DICKEY, JUPITER UNIVERSITY"
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Subject:      RE: SHOUT-LAND...HELP!!

Uh, set term/lowercase didn't work.
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN

>Are you saying that the rule of English morphophonemics that says that
>[z] is the allomorph that follows a voiced consonant and [s] a voiceless
>consonant (other than sibilants) is not a rule but is rather a system?
>I see it as a rule.  How, according to your "system," does the child
>"self-correct"?
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

No, it is one rule that makes up the system of English.  However, for a child
for form plurals, in one way or another, the child must have some sort of rule
for doing so.  And yet, what if this rule is incorrect (not just incorrectly
applied)?  "Sheepses" is incorrect.  It is redundant, for example.  One of the
things languages (and humans in general) strive for is economy.  *Sheepses* is
not economy.

So, the child is using an incorrect rule. If they weren't using a rule of any
kind, they couldn't make a plural.

Now, given a system approach, what the child has done is generalized one of the
parts that make up English.  Pretty soon, within the matter of a few months or
a year, the child has hear "Sheep" and "cat" and "dog" and is able to adjust
their own system, i.e. self-correct, rather than having to "download" another
rule.  The rule was already there in their system by virtue of the fact they
could speak English...

Damn!  I have to leave this unfinished because an emergency just cropped up.
Silly administrators!

Chris
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From:         Don Thornton <DTHORNTN%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Odder and Odder
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.Villefranche-sur-mer.  I first picked it out on a map

 Sounds great I'll have to look at a map.

.>                               Or even the   state that you are in.

Is it on the east of the river? The island mountain (hill) Sete
to the west seemed idyllic. Even had oyster farms.

Don
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 10:23:00 PST
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Nashanul Akadame, agin

>multiplication tables.   Had the dispersal of dictionaries been held off
>another generation, perhaps American orthography at least would have become
>more phonetic, to the relief of millions.
>
>L.

Really. And whose phonetics would we have used?  Yours, mine, Natalie's, my
in-laws (strong Mass accent), Ed Koch's, Margaret Thatchers, Tushar's?

To put the phonetic theory to rest, try reading something even in your own
dialect using the IPA or even the English alphabet.  Now, try it in Natalie's
or mine.

Two of the functions of American English spelling are to makes things easy on
the reader (any give literate person will read hundreds or even thousands of
more words than than they will ever write) and to show relationships (which
again, makes things easy on the reader).

sign        design         designate         signature
^^^^          ^^^^           ^^^^            ^^^^
sine        duzine         desugnate         signuchur
^^^^          ^^^^           ^^^^            ^^^^

This is just a minor example of the relationships that would be lost if
spelling was entirely phonetic.  Can you imagine how utterly useless this list
would be if we all spelled phonetically, each with his or her own spelling
system decided on by how each spoke.  No thank you.

Chris
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:37:45 GMT
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In article <WORDS-L%92040911151497@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> BGRISSOM%UKCC.UKY.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU writes:
>  corpus of machine-readable text.  The book has two disadvantages:
>  It's intended for people who are learning English as a second
>  language, and it's English English, not American English.  But its

Those are disadvantages?

G
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      follows from compactness

>"Hah.  Follows trivially from compactness."
>
>EEEENT!  Note that I said *closed*, not *compact*.  The input
>requirement set is not bounded, because ...
>
> Try again.


Take the sets given by intersection of closed spheres around the origin
(intersected with the "non-negative orthant"). These are compact and some
such set (corresponding to sphere of some radius) intersects the input
requirement set which was closed. NOW apply compactness (to the
intersection).

When the function to be minimized is not Euclid's norm, instead of spheres
take whatever sets you get by setting <cost> <= r . As long as these sets
(i.e. their intersections with the non-negative orthant) are compact (or
bounded) we are through.

This IS called as "following from compactness", by the way. Too clumsy to
say "from compactly-generated-ness".

tushar
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET%UGA.CC.UGA.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The National Academy (again)
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> I  can't imagine why I would have argued with
> the fact that dictionaries "have pretty much come to serve the same
> purpose" since I believe that to be true.

It was me, Natalie--she's confusing me w/ you. My counterexample was
Japan, which has megadictionaries and the Mombusho to control written
text.  While this may be somehow true in the English speaking world,
I am not convinced that authoritative dictionaries preclude a national
academy.

"List Angel, List Goddess, they are all the same."!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOT!

Karen
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Subject:      Re: (no subject given)
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  Graham says:

  >Actually, I thought the worse you spoke Norwegian, the more
  >intelligible it was to Swedes :;-)

  No, Norwegian is perfectly OK. Very few Swedes have any difficulty
understanding (beautifully spoken) standard Norwegian.  Danish is a
different matter. Grotesquely, it even happens that Danes and Swedes
communicate in English. (Written Danish is no problem.) I have long
held that it's easy to understand Danish, provided the Danes say
everything three times and don't say things like "57" (they have a
weird system of counting).
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: in-jokes and such
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              7 Apr 1992 19:21:00 GMT from <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>

On Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:21:00 GMT WERTSJ said:
>I must admit to being slightly intimidated (who, me?) both by the
>volume of postings and by the in-jokes on the list when I first

   But that happens when one joins ANY new organization....whether a club,
a gym, a hobby group, a lunch group, a church, a university, etc.....
   Any group has its own slang, its own jargon....and most of us have
learned to lay back a little at first and just listen...and learn....

>(BTW, my undergrad degree was in math, but I am a librarian (altho
> I'm not working in a traditional librarian position), so where do
> I fit in the headcount?)

   Once a librarian, always a librarian.....you count...

dan the potato librarian, esquire but has no time
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From:         Janet Teuber <C0229%UNIVSCVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Nashanul Akadame, agin

On Thu, 16 Apr 1992 10:23:00 PST Lobstrosities Unite said:
>
>Really. And whose phonetics would we have used?  Yours, mine, Natalie's, my
>in-laws (strong Mass accent), Ed Koch's, Margaret Thatchers, Tushar's?
>
>To put the phonetic theory to rest, try reading something even in your own
>dialect using the IPA or even the English alphabet.  Now, try it in Natalie's
>or mine.
>
Chris,
   This reminds me of an exchange I had with my three-year-old yesterday.
He is a bit of a train enthusiast and a big fan of "Thomas, the Tank Engine",
the star of "ShiningTime Station" on PBS. We have a short video of Thomas
stories which are narrated by Ringo Starr.  Erik kept insisting that there was
a "station monster" in the story.  I finally figured out that what he had
heard as "station monster" was really "station master".  With Ringo's accent,
there was no difference between the vowel in Erik's Southern "monster" and
Ringo's "master".  At least none that he or I could distinguish.  I had no
luck straightening him out.  He's still looking for the monster.

Janet
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: Lenny is Back
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:59:29 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <WORDS-L%92040911241329@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> LABBEY%GTRI01.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Lenny) writes:
:I am back.
:
:What's happening?

Sit back and watch for a day or two.  Things have changed.

G
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From:         Bernard Chien Perro <maynor%CS.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Lenny and Quincy
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> >>      Quincy, Erotic
> >>
> >>           -, /|
> >>            O.O
> >>          =(___)=
> >>             U
> >>
>
>         /\_____/\
>        -/ ''''' \-
>         {''o o''}    Now there is one cat I did not like!
>         {  \^/  }
>        ////'''\\\\   Muffy

Ah, Muffy and I *do* have something in common after all!
                        o/.\____/
         -- Bernard      \______|
                         / \  / \
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