HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: sdf.lonestar.org:/u/df/suicide_quux
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Distribution: global
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:46:52 GMT

In article <BvspCJ.257@sdf.lonestar.org> df@sdf.lonestar.org (daniel finster) writes:
>
>  Goodbye sdf, it has been fun, and i hope that it'll continue to be fun
>after this.  I hope some of you find it in you to live your lives better after
>i'm not here.  For those that know me, and like me: this essay has been to
>you all; to understand my motivations and to understand that i refuse to live
>under any other circumstances than for my own benefit.
Its funny, you should say this  but I'm exactly the opposite ...I'd never 
consider living just for myself to be a valid reason for living...Its not that 
I'm totally altruistic, just that I think the only thing, or one of the
few things keeping me here is that my departure would hurt a lot more people
than I would really want to. But then, even that sounds kind of narcissistic.
i
I guess its just that when I've been  considering it in the past    
always seen myself as a pretty poor reason for continuing my existence...

---Steve    
-- 
Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
"You see, I'm kind of this control freak who likes to create his own
personal hells before the real one can get to him. I like to beat hell
to hell so to speak".--Spalding Gray "Monster in a box"
From: U56503@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Columbus Day: Start? Winter Depression Season
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:32:08 GMT
 <1992Oct12.134624.19342@solace.hsh.se>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Oct12.134624.19342@solace.hsh.se>, tomten@solace.hsh.se (Kare H.
Pettersson) says:

>Could it be, that some of us, especially we silent readers of ASH,
>simply didn't find the discussion worthwhile during the summer.  That
>we felt too shitty to get involved of your happy little talks?  I,
>for one, eneded up in hospital during August.

Well, hey, but your posting now!

>Sure, it's quite nasty when it gets cold and dark, especially up
>here (northern Sweden).  But I am sure I'm not alone in feeling that
>the light and the happy faces on the streets (and on News) are
>equally depressing.  Could it be that the actual change in weather,
>climate and light makes the mind go hot, hot, hot?  Pain.

>Oh well.  Just a silly thought of mine.

At least you're not lurking now.  That seems good.

Whatever fits; whatever works....

Brady
>--
>Kere H. Pettersson   +46 60 157026   tomten@solace.hsh.se    Different.

=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=Brady Woodward ~=~ U56503@UICVM=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=
  SATAN to NEW-COMER: The trouble with you Chicago people is that you
  think that you are the best people down here, whereas you are merely
  the most mumerous. --Mark Twain  (All other thoughts are mine alone.)
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From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Methods
Keywords: methods how to
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:36:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany

mhamon@joule.elee.calpoly.edu (Marvin Hamon) writes:

>What ever happened to the methods file? I have not seen it posted in
>quite a while. If anyone has a copy and could post it or e-mail it to
>me it would be much appreciated. 

The methods file is supposed to be handled by this human being. I had,
alas, virtually _no_ time to make changes to it (which it badly needs),
so I refrained from posting it. Anyone have enough time to do this
properly?

Soenke
-- 
===========================================================================
More than silver, more than gold, I need   !    behrenss@informatik.
electricity. I need it for my dreams.      !    tu-muenchen.de
(RACTER)                                   !  FIDO: 2:246/13 Soenke Behrens
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Fork in the Road: Binary Decisions
From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:25:56 -0600

In article <92282.235346U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>  writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.222456.10398@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) says:
>
>>Today, I finalized a decision, which will forever change my future.
>>There's no turning back, effectively.  Knowing me, I probably picked
>>the wrong alternative.
>
>Are you suggesting we ask about it?

Hmm. You know, you could have something there.
So tell us, what was the choice and what was the decision?
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Subject: Winter and Depression
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.suicide.holiday
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:42:12 GMT


I get to conduct a most interesting test.  As those of you who have
been reading my posts (e.g. prob. just myself) already know, I have
moved to Las Cruces, NM.  Before I lived here, I spent the last 5
years of my life in Annandale, NY.  The winters in Annandale were very
cold, and the sun shone about 2-3 days a month.  In contrast, I'm
still wearing shorts down here (today was supposed to hit 90), and it
hasn't rained (or even been cloudy) since August.  

Now mind you, there's an additional factor.  In Annandale, I had a
strong support group of friends.  Here I don't have any at all; I
spend my days sitting in my house and doing math.  However, despite
that- at least so far- I think I'm as happy here as I was back east.
Let's see what happens in December...
-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg
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*"There's a dog in the station  *"I can't believe I'm a junior and a *
* With a bad reputation         * film major, when all I really      *
* That's a sign of the nation's * wanted in this life was to marry a *
* Decay"                        * lobsterman and cook fish."         *
* -Phish                        * -a letter from Christie Searing    *
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: involuntary incarceration and violent means
Reply-To: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:40:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.013340.19834@yang.earlham.edu>, allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.202516.19187@udel.edu>, awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
:
:
>> There is a way to die from a hat-pin that is fairly non-violent and quick
>> (esp. if someone else does it to you)... but I won't describe it -- it's
>> too easy to use for assasination. (I don't need the govn't breathing 
>> down my neck for disseminating "dangerous" information right now...)
>> 
>> 	
>> 				Psycho Kitten
>
>	Painting oneself to death.... interesting. I, being quite willing 
>to disseminate "dangerous" information, will say that pushing a pin into 
>the base of the brain is quite lethal (the interesting things one learns 
>from science fiction, specifically M.A. Foster's _The Morphodite_!).
>	-Allen

Actually, this might not be so sure fire, unless it is an extremely 
localized area...In a linguistics class covering aphasia (loss of language 
abilities in whole or part due to brain damage) they talked about
the origins of aphasia studies.  It seems a railroad worker was
climbing over one of those wrought iron palisade fences with the 
nasty spikes at the end when he slipped of and impaled his head through
the base of his brain (in back) and out through the top front of his skull.
This thing was pretty thick--moreso than a hatpin.  Well the guy lived, 
and seemed fine, but his speech was impaired--he could swear like crazy and 
talk dirty or in idioms, but that was it.  Now that I think about it--I 
think I am crossing up two different stories--the fence one was in NYC, and 
it was a kid who lived--within the past five years.  The aphasia on *was a rail
spike maybe--oh whats the difference--just be careful with that hatpin/
railspike/sharp stick/wrought iron fencepost.  Its all fun until
someone pokes a brain out.

On an unrelated thread, but with one of the same spinners--caution is advisable
in considering loony bins, and school counselers.  both vary, along
with state laws, wildly, from place to place.  The school counselers where
I did my undergrad were loony as heeeellllllll, and dangerous to boot--
more harm than good.  Other places they are fine.  Some its hard to tell
the customers from the waitstaff--they out to bring back uniforms so you can 
tell who is on which team.  Blanket recommendations about whether
copunseling is a *good* thing or a *bad* thing are silly in light of the
tremendous range of qualities available...
rich, lurking happily, trying to post little as possible in order to 
get some work done...
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: elnitsky@math.lsa.umich.edu (Serge Elnitsky)
Subject: Re: Ok, Ok...
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 04:03:35 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, Mathematics Department, Ann Arbor

 This is fairly important... Does anyone have a copy
of David Conibear's suicide note? I knew him a few
years back...
                        Serge Elnitsky
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Please Help
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:46:10 GMT
Organization: HP Western Response Center

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
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From: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au (Bunweasel)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday,alt.drugs,rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: incarceration
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:21:55 GMT
Reply-To: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au
Followup-To: alt.suicide.holiday
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Queensland

> The surgeon found
>two other bullets in the frontal lobe if his brain where he'd tried
>and failed previously. So just remember, don't put the gun near the
>front of your head, it doesn't work!

I read about some guys in London in the 60s who decided that it was
a hassle having to keep dropping acid and got into trepanning
as a way of living in a permanently trippy state of mind. They would
cut a big hole in the front of the skull (with an electric drill) to
expose the brain and having removed the disk of bone just let it heal
over. They claim it worked very nicely, and they went on to live active
lives in a pleasantly relaxed (but not lobotomised) variation on reality.
I could probably dredge up the reference if anyone's interested.

-/\/\/\/-
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From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: sdf.lonestar.org:/u/df/suicide_quux
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:02:11 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Oct10.163220.14963@udel.edu>, awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
> 	At least in the US, the promotion of dangerous and toxic substances/
> actions is for the benifit of a relatively small group of wealthy individuals.
> Tobacco companies could put nicotine in another less polluting form for
> people to consume, but that would possibly cut into their profits.  They
> also aren't about to admit that they are just out to hook people on
> drugs for purely monetary reasons (have to keep up apperances). Caffine and
> tobacco are two of the most widely used drugs in the US... I don't think
> the Cola and Chocolate industries are about to let go of addictive 
> drugs in their products any more than Tobacco companies will begin to
> sell nicotineless products.  
> 
	And the PDFA (Partnership for a Drug-Free America) never comes out 
against such drugs as nicotine and alcohol, or even mentions them as 
possible drugs of abuse... Could that have anything to do with the 
multi-million dollar contributions they're getting from such companies? 
Naaah... couldn't be.
	-Allen
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Subject: The power of suicide
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.suicide.holiday
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:29:13 GMT


As I was walking up the room with the grad student computers, I ran
into one of my coworkers.  We were talking a bit, and then she left to
go to a meeting.  While I was really depressed, I didn't let it show
in the conversation.  So I was thinking: she could be the last person
I ever talk to, and she doesn't even suspect that I'm depressed at
all.

I was reminded of the time a friend of mine had some shrooms on him
while he was talking to the president of the college.  He mentioned
that he felt the thrill of being illegal.  Well, the thrill of being
suicidal is quite similar...
-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg
**********************************************************************
*"There's a dog in the station  *"I can't believe I'm a junior and a *
* With a bad reputation         * film major, when all I really      *
* That's a sign of the nation's * wanted in this life was to marry a *
* Decay"                        * lobsterman and cook fish."         *
* -Phish                        * -a letter from Christie Searing    *
**********************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: ivy@camelot.bradley.edu (Ivelisse Atiles)
Subject: Re: Bipolar, Anyone?
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:21:49 GMT

In <allan.5.718998613@slab.unt.edu> allan@slab.unt.edu (Mark Allan) writes:

>Just in such a good mood today, I thought I'd break out of my lurker status 
>and talk to y'all, and shine a ray of crystal light into this cold, 
>cobwebbed database... By the way, this is one of my favorite newsgroups, 
>along w/ alt.romance.chat, that world where everybody is HUG ing eachother.  
>I guess intense emotions are my reason for living.  Any kindred souls, out 
>there?

I'm in a good mood too.
And even if I was in a bad mood, I wouldn't feel like suicide...
I feel like homicide.
Just thought I'd get that off my chest.
(isn't there an alt.homicide.holiday? 8))
--
Ivelisse Atiles (girl... of DESSSS-tiny!)  @}--}--  ivy@camelot.bradley.edu
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*                      PICARD & RIKER  in  '92!!!                         *
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: RE: FORKINTHEROAD:IFIDRIVEOVERITIMIGHTGETAFLATIWONDERWHATITATE
Reply-To: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:11:24 GMT


Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Here we go...
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 06:48:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.194119.9136@colorado.edu> sel@ghostwheel.colorado.edu (Susan Lynds) writes:
>...
>Probably most of us on this group have lost friends or acquaintances 
>to suicide.  Acknowledging our friends' and family's right to die 
>is a very difficult thing to do.  But by giving others this freedom, 
>we know ourselves to be free as well.  Free to choose. 

It's too bad that the larger society--American society--doesn't recognize
the right to die.  We live in one of the freest countries in the world,
yet America does not recognize one particular individual liberty: the right
to take one's own life.

>...
>We have no way of knowing how another person experiences life, no way 
>of knowing how painful their agony is.  We must trust and respect each
>other enough to allow us all the freedom to judge our own condition 
>and make our own decisions.  ..

Why is it that I never meet ladies--in real life outside of this newsgroup--
that are as open minded and intelligent as the ladies on this newsgroup?

>Goodbye, Dave; and if there *is* anything else, fare well and we'll 
>see ya next time around.

Well said, as was the rest of this post.

I suddenly have this urge to quote Macbeth's famous soliloquy.  "...life's
but a walking shadow that struts and frets it's hour upon the stage and
is heard no more.  'Tis a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
signifying nothing."  (or something like that)

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: gl_a252@titan.kingston.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Another source of cyanide
Organization: Kingston University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:26:20 GMT

In article <zlsiida.170@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
> The Guardian (a newspaper):
> Valerie Harrison collapsed from cyanide poisoning after pruning her 5 foot 
> cherry laurel.  She wasn't wearing gloves, and prussic acid in the leaves 
> got into the open pores of her skin.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>               Have another day    [Armageddon, the musical] 
>   Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  

So, theoretically speaking, you could chuch shit loads of leaves into a bucket
of sulpuric acid, and breath the HCN vapour...

-Neal
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis)
Subject: a cheap holiday in other people's misery
Summary: Eh?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 07:00:48 GMT
Keywords: spam fuck bunny

This is only the second day that I've posted to this group, and already I'm 
amused beyond words... as in, "I used to be disgusted, but now I'm just 
amused."  I'm going over to alt.slack; bring a case of dark beer, some 'Frop, 
and A FUCKING SENSE OF HUMOR if you'd like to join me.  But hey, if you'd 
rather talk about the finer points of cyanide some more... never mind.

Good night.

--

Tom Dennis                    |  I looked into the abyss,
dennis@alexia.uiuc.edu        |    and the abyss looked into me--
tadg0614@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu     |      and we both winked.
Xref: sparky alt.suicide.holiday:2376 alt.finals.suicide:11
From: megazone@joseph.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday,alt.finals.suicide
Subject: Hey! It's finals week...
Date: 15 Oct 1992 09:07:43 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: joseph.wpi.edu

The following is an opening quote from a chapter in a great novel by Umberto 
Eco, Foucault's Pendulum. I just like it.

The ideal pendulum consists of a very thin wire, which will not hinder flexion
and torsion, of length L, with the weight attached to its barycenter. For a 
sphere, the barycenter is the center, for the human body, it is a point 0.65 of
the height, measured from the feet. If the hanged man is 1.70m tall, his 
barycenter is located 1.10m from his feet, and the length L includes this 
distance. In other words, if the distance from the man's head to neck is 0.30m,
the barycenter is 1.70 - 1.10 = 0.60m from his head, and 0.60 - 0.30 = 0.30m 
from his neck.

The period of the pendulum, discovered by Huygens, is given by:

T(seconds) = 2pi sqrt(L) / sqrt(g)                          (1)

where L is the length in meters, pi = 3.1415927..., and g = 9.8m/sec*sec.
Thus (1) gives:

T = 2*3.1415927 sqrt(L) / sqrt(9.8) = 2.00709 sqrt(L)

or, more or less:

T = 2 sqrt(L)                                               (2)

Note: T is independent of the weight of the hanged man. (In God's eyes all men
are equal...)

As for a double pendulum, one with two weights attached to the same wire... If
you shift A, A oscillates; then after a while it stops and B will oscillate. If
the paired weights are different or if their lengths are different, the energy
passes from one to the other, but the periods of these oscillations will not be
equal.... This eccentricity of movement also occurs if, instead of beginning to
make A oscillate freely by setting it in motion, you apply a force to the 
system already in motion. That is to say, if the wind blows in gusts on the
hanged man in asynchronos fashion, after a while, the hanged man will become
motionless and his gallows will oscillate as if its fulcrum were the hanged 
man.

-From a private letter of Mario Salvadori, Columbia University, 1984
From: hennessy@acsu.buffalo.edu (DOG BASEBALL!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: involuntary incarceration and violent means
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:18:41 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Information, Lower Volta.

Inscribed upon tablet <1992Oct7.202516.19187@udel.edu>, the mighty awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) records thusly:
-=>There is a way to die from a hat-pin that is fairly non-violent and quick
-=>(esp. if someone else does it to you)... but I won't describe it -- it's
-=>too easy to use for assasination. (I don't need the govn't breathing 
-=>down my neck for disseminating "dangerous" information right now...)

	I think Robert Ludlum already did that.. can't recall which book, but
it was about growed up Nazi children, all blond and blue eyed...  Don't want
to give the section away (damn, my cheesecloth memory can't recall the title,
but I heard it on the way to Buffalo [books on tape rule for long distance
travel!] last june..), but it involves the 3rd and 4th rib (again, cheesecloth
memory) and a little incest to boot!

-=>
-=>	
-=>				Psycho Kitten
-=>				stuck at the University of Dela-Where...

	DELAWARE!  uh, hi, uh, I'm in... Delaware    8)

-=>				where there are no intelligent people that
-=>				I can converse with...

	That's why I frequently end up talking to myself..  people think I'm
mad, but to be quite honest, it's probably the only way for me to have any
stimulating conversation.

-=>				(why does everyone on the net have to live
-=>				so far away???)

	Simple physics really, related to the pauli exclusion principle and
Heisenberg's uncertainty principle..  Coolness of people is inversely
proportional to their separating distance..  

-=>Psycho Kitten   \ zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    \ Check my .plan \ Just a Grim
-=>Angela M. Watson \ awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu \ for more info  \ Reaper wannabe

o \	)
   |	}  Mega smiley FTHI.
o /	)

-- 
   /I\          Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
  /(*)\         hennessy@acsu.buffalo.edu                 
 /IIIII\        "Leave EVERYTHING to ME!" - Powdered Toast Man       
/IIIIIII\       Happiness is a warm gun.
From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: involuntary incarceration and violent means
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 14:32:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.172555.23309@eskimo.celestial.com> alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler) writes:
>If you are involuntarily committed they can keep you as long as they like.
>If you go voluntarily and it turns out to be one of those institutional
>hell holes then they have to release you if you don't want to stay.

Anyone who is going to rely on this advice, please check out your facts
first.  It is not true in Ohio (or at least it wasn't this time last
year).  If you are admitted voluntarily you still can't leave when you 
want to, unless those in charge agree.
-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
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