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From: huangz@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: What will you do if you go back China?
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:58:15 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia

It is not uncommon and new that students keep going back to China. As I know,
much more than ever will go back recently. I think myself will follow up too,
but not in these two years. I must rethink my direction as I intend to change
my goal of obtaining forign citizenship to getting weathy and happy and ....

Have you ever thought about that if you go home what you are going to do? Are
you going to pick up a position such as professor or associate-professor? or
set up your own business? or what else? I especially want to listen to those 
who have already some plans or ideas in their mind, those who have been aware
of that real chances (once only in one thousand years) have come and decided
to catch them. 

(By saying "once only in one thousand years", I mean for every country there is
only once industralisation and modernisation, easier to become a millionare in
this period then any other time.)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: fwan4@mach1.wlu.ca (franklin wan 9208 U)
Subject: Her name is Noriko Sakai
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:07:18 GMT

I forgot to put the previous one to the article"Another pretty girl 01/1"
sorry for confusing u guys, since this is my first time to post a news.
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 24 points poker game: answer and new game.
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:59:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <BzBsI0.Co6@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>
>Can we use the operation of taking the sqaure root?

No no, this one doesn't need even fractionals as the first one.

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
From: talamar@cs.concordia.ca (ANTONELLI michael a.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: How do you say "Will you marry me" in Chinese?
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:49:00 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

The subject line says it all.  I'm posting this for a friend of mine who
would like the answer to this very soon.  So please respond by e-mail.
Thank-you.
-- 
******************************************************************************
Michael Anthony Antonelli            Internet: talamar@cs.concordia.ca

Concordia University, Montreal (Canada)
From: s245@cs.utexas.edu (Spring Class Account)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Tragic Outcome of the Fight Between "P&D Fighters" (Re: Nrews  ...)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 19:00:55 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: nada.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Dec13.113506.19623@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>One thing you should remember: before you become a citizen of this country(USA),
>you should not do anything which you intend to make people unhappy here.
>And if you do, either you are a spy or work for some agency.
>SHOOT ME, IF I TOLD THE TRUTH!
                         ^^^^^
?

Have you waked up from your dreams?

Maybe the alarm clock didn't ring after all.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Subject: What is Mathematics (Was Re: a math problem for those who ...)
Reply-To: wang@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:56:25 GMT

In article 6106@netcom.com, alm@netcom.com (Andrew Moore) writes:
>I like to think that math exists only in the human mind (i.e.,  "God
>gave us numbers - all else is the work of man.").   And this makes
>sense, since the real world is not always so logical!
>-Andrew Moore <alm@netcom.com>



I read the following article in sci.math, maybe some people will be interested.

---------BEGIN INCLUDED MESSAGE----------------------------------

	Mathematics is undefineable!!!

	To ask what the definition of Mathematics is, is to as what Mathematics 
is about, and Mathematics is about everything and nothing simultaneously.

	Is Mathematics about numbers?   -- What about shapes?
	Is Mathematics about shapes?    -- What about chaos?
	Is Mathematics about chaos?     -- What about functions?
	Is Mathematics about functions? -- What about sets?
	Is Mathematics about sets?      -- What about anything?

	Are you getting the picture yet?  Everytime you put a label on
Mathematics, you limit Mathematics!  Any limitation on Mathematics is 
anti-Mathematical.  Mathematics is about whatever you desire!

	It is problem solving, it is game playing, it is paper folding, it
is map drawing, it is 1+1=2, it is d(sin x)/dx = cos x, it is balancing your
check book, it is driving from home to work, it is dialing your SO's phone
number, it is even house painting, lawn mowing and Christmas shopping!

	Mathematics is the study of axiomatic systems, yet Mathematics is
a-axiomatic.  Mathematics is the study of order, yet Mathematics is chaotic. 
Mathematics is the study of the world, yet Mathematics is ethereal. 
Mathematics is ??????????

	The more you learn about Mathematics, the more you realize how vast
Mathematics is and how little Mathematics you know. More and more people learn
every day that Mathematics is an integral part of their lives.  More and more
people learn every day that Mathematics does not stop at the class room, the
office, or the check-book.  More and more people learn every day that
Mathematics permiates every pore of mankind and every particle of the 
universe.  

	Mathematics is best defined as MATHEMATICS!


	The Earth may crumble, the Heavens may fall, Christ may destroy the
universe as we know it, but if there is one constant in Heaven and Earth, I
believe that constant is MATHEMATICS.


	       		GOD IS A MATHEMATICIAN
			(with a sense of humor)



	Ken Hill
	--------
	KHILL@VAX1.UMKC.EDU

---------END INCLUDED MESSAGE-----------------------------------------------
From: v999rke8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Is Hong Kong people Chinese? (Was: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?)
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:57:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec18.204832.16704@cbnews.cb.att.com>, liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes...
>From article <BzH0A9.1oC@acsu.buffalo.edu>, by v999rke8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu:

>>>TIers believe in freedom of speech. Offensive tone is within the range
>>>of personal flavor. It has nothing to do with the concept of "Taiwan
>>>Independence". All the TIers I know never use offensive wording.
>> 
>>  How about "the stupidest"? Do you think it not a offensive word while 
>> argueing with others?
>> 
> 
>Please look at the posting with the above keyword. I don't think I ever
>use that word before.

Sorry, that is not you. That is Ho Sun Pang (?) in article 95443. 
>>> 
>>>Tell me what is your interpretation to the term "country".
>>>Do you mean you support or recognize the fact of " One country, two
>>>government"?
>> 
>> This is a fact, whether one supports or not.
>> 
> 
>Does Beijing agree with it?

  I can't say on behalf of Beijing. 

> 
>>> 
>>>> Remember the old story "White horse is not a horse"? This is logic of TIers. 
>>>> If this is true, one can argue that TIers is not Taiwanese.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>I still don't get the analogy between these two. Can you explain to me?
>>> 
>> 
>>  Taiwan is a part of China. Taiwanese is a part of Chinese. If Taiwanese is 
>> not Chinese, the Cantonese is not Chinese, then... White horse is not horse.
>> 
> 
>I don't buy the analogy. Ask people in Guangdong whether Guangdong is part
>of PRC and ask people in Taiwan whether Taiwan is part of PRC, will you.
>Be respectful to people. They are no animal.

Ask people in Guangdong whether Taiwan is part of China. They are no animal 
either.  

Be respectful to the peoples on both sides. If you don't care what the 
mainland people (not CCP) think, you can  blame others when they stand 
against you.

> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hsi
>>> 
>>>Heng-Hsin
> 
>Heng-Hsin
From: lan@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yan Lan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: WHO CARES??!!
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:14:04 GMT
Organization: UB


 I'm really really tired of all the articles about  whether Taiwanese,Hong-

kongese are Chinese or not.

 If they believe that they are Chinese.  OK.

 If they think that they are not Chinese.  FINE.


   So  What????!!!!

   WHO CARES???!!!!!


 
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: machang@llewella.uchicago.edu (Andrew C. Chang)
Subject: Any Chinese word processor for NeXT, or unix machine?
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:22:07 GMT

I know there is a newsgroup called alt.chinese.text. Unfortunately it is  
not subscribed by our news server. I hope you don't mind my doing this. 

NeXT is very nice to play with. It will be much nicer if I can have a good  
Chinese word processor to work with. I know there are some public domain  
distributions, like celvis, cxemacs, cxterm and ChTeX, etc. But I had  
difficulties to install any of them.

First I don't have Xterm window installed on the machine I'm using. So I  
can not use any software requires Xterm. (I may use Xterm in the future.)

I installed the cclatex, cctex, chtex, for the ChTeX. But the Chinese  
editor chtext did not pass the compiling. Also when I used the chtex to  
"TeX' the sample input file, my TeX compiler could not find the chfonts  
for the file.chtex even though I defined the env variables correctly. So  
this package did not work. The celvis also did not pass the compiling.

Has anyone over the net successfuly installed those software packages, or  
other better software for the NeXT, or unix. I think there are some, or  
many. I would like your help, or your advice to install those software  
packages. Even though I was an engineering graduate, now I just can not  
afford the time to play everyday with the computer. It was a pleasure  
before.

Your help will be highly appreciated. Thanks.

Andy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: 1 dime + 1 quarter = 35 cents
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:13:50 GMT

In article <Dec.14.18.18.17.1992.3094@soliton.rutgers.edu>, zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes:
> Ok, two coins, a dime and a quarter make up 35 cent, right? Now, can you 
> make up 35 cents from two coins when one of them is not a quarter?
> ZZZ
-- 

Check the foreign money exchange table and find a combination of 2 foreign
coins give the value of US 35 cent.

Raymond Kwok
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:35:52 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: I am being investigated!

Congratulations!
You have a better chance to be
a president.
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: a fun problem
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:00:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec16.165529.5726@bmerh85.bnr.ca> sichao@bnr.ca (Sichao Wang) writes:
>                2.1. IF Weight(group1) > Weight (group2)
>                     THEN
>                        GOTO step 1 to divide group1;

Apparently, you have assume that the bad ball is heavier.  This is not
the case.  I worked out by dividing into 4 4 5 three groups...

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:32997 soc.culture.taiwan:16267 soc.culture.hongkong:16439
From: yush@buengc.bu.edu (Guo-Xiang Yu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:06:55 GMT
Reply-To: yush@buengc.bu.edu (Guo-Xiang Yu)
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Dec11.000827.14982@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>From article <1992Dec10.231523.7719@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu):
>>>
>>>No, ROC is history.
>>>
>>>Heng-Hsin
>>>
>> What passport do you hold ?
>
>First, I am going to tell you I hold Taiwan's passport.
>
>If you don't buy it, read the whole article I wrote. It's a tragedy to
>Taiwanese - using passport of a country that's already history.
>
>We are fighting KMT for the fact.
>
>Heng-Hsin

I've read most of your posters. I buy some of your points but I don't
buy the above one. One important fact is that KMT government is
elected government, namely, represent the majority of the Taiwan people.
Look at what happens in US. Although a large propotion of American 
don't like Clinton, he still will be their president. What they can do
is do it better next time. This is real DEMOCRACY! People should
respect each other political view. Whether Taiwan should be a
independent country or not can only be decided by the whole Taiwan
people. You can't impose your political view on Taiwanese just like I
can't impose mine on you. So, my suggestion is: DO IT BETTER NEXT
TIME.
       -Guo-Xiang

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mliu@pt.com (Fred Liu)
Subject: Puzzles & picutures
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:30:05 GMT

If you want to post puzzles, please post it to rec.puzzles or
rec.games news groups.  If you want to post pictures, please
post to the appropriate pictures news groups.

Something you like may not be welcome by all the Chinese who
read this news group, just simply because you are a Chinese.
-- 
Fred Liu, Performance Technologies Incorporated		mliu@pt.com
315 Science Parkway, Rochester, New York 14620		uupsi!ptsys1!mliu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Riddles, any takes?  Was: Puzzles & picutures
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:39:25 GMT

In article <PWU.92Dec18172621@vernazza.ai.mit.edu> pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes:
...
>What can run but can't walk?

Time.

>Why does a pencil seem heavy when you write with it for a long time?

It becomes reluctant.

>What time is the same when you spelled backwards?

noon.

>Who was the first to have a mobile home?

Her grandchild.

>What helps keep your teeth together?

A coffin.  :=(

If this question had been "what can help ...", then the 
answer could have been: A gold box.

>Why should you never tell secrets in a garden?

Will anybody listen to me? (Who wants to follow Adam and Eve's 
step after they knew only one secret?)

>    -- A childish poster

PS: there are tons of answers for each, I guess.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: The best solution to end this line. :-)Re: math problem
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:58:33 GMT

In article <Bz9F9F.KJq@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>
|An guy at PSU(NOT me) had already given the best solution:
|a=1/y**(n-1)+1/y**(n-2)+1/y**(n-3)+...+1/y
|which decreases from +1/0 all the way down to +0/1, if y
|increases from +0/1 to +1/0. Surely we have one and only
|one root for this equation.
|
|This is the simplest solution, so is the best.

	Certainly!  And that guy (Dr. Jinyuan Wu) is a physicist!

	All you mathematicians (professional or amateur ones) take note.

:-)  :-)


	 Eddie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mkakulav@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mohan Kakulavarapu)
Subject: Re: Puzzles & picutures
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 04:47:57 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


This in response to Mr.Fred Liu's article as to not to post puzzles in the 
S.C.C. ......
Let me tell you one thing Mr.Fred.....
this News group is not read only by the Chineese. There are alot of nationalities
who go through this. I am an Indian. The reason why I go through S.C.C. is 
just nothing but the pure pleasure I derive from the Math articles. As a 
Math student, I strongly encourage my friends to post more articles on Math.

By the way Mr.Fred, You always have the choice of hitting "n" on your key
board as I do when I see any other article other than math.

guys you are doing a good job !
keep up the goodwork!

take care
kishan
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: "When China Wakes: a survey of China" by 'The Economist'
Date: 19 Dec 1992 14:38:56 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au


In article <junliu.724528378@cunews>, s075198@bayes.carleton.ca (junliu) writes:
|> In <BzCD5J.CKE@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
|> 
|> > (staff deleted)
|> >   I prey for China and the World.
|> >chunde
|> 
|> It does not sound like you.  You used to shout: Beat their shit out!!! 
|> 

Prey  not  Pray.

Lin Can
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Is Hong Kong people Chinese? (Was: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:50:30 GMT

In article <BzInDx.Gp@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999rke8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:

>Sorry too. Anglo-origin Americans left the territory of British.  
>Nobody cares you if you proclaim independence in a place other than the 
>territory of China (ROC or PRC).

Revisionism.  At the time of American independence, the thirteen colonies
*were* the territory of the British.  The original colonists claimed the
territory in the name of the King/Queen; in some cases, the lands were ceded
to the crown (e. g., the territories west of the Appalachian Mountains).  The
international laws dictated that the lands were British.  Some anti-
indepedence colonists certainly believed that they were still in the territory
of the British crown.

I am *not* advocating independence, again.  I am merely saying that the right
to independence has its precedents.  Before its independence, Singapore was
a part of Malaysia.  The people of Singapore didn't have to "leave the
territory" of Malaysia to declare independence.

The land belongs to the people; it does not belong to a regime (or regimes).
(That might be a bit idealistic, perhaps, but then, the decision of whether to
declare independence or not must depend on all factors, including a military
invasion.  I advocate unification, but I, even if I have the power to, will
not press it on the people, since it is not mine, or anyone else's, rights to
dictate what they should do.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: Gun Shot
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:58:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.193111.1@wharton.upenn.edu> zhang48@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
|In article <92351.175731U21885@uicvm.uic.edu>, U21885@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
|> 
|> According to The World Journal (Chinese Newspaper) , Wednesday , Dec.16,
|> 
|> 1992 :
|>    On Dec 15,1992 at the state of Massachusetts,
|>    A hornor student from China shot two to dead and the other four
|> wounded , by using his semi-auto rifle which was just bought at the
|> same day. After the incident , he called the police department to
|> declare the incident.
|
|Can anyone please confirm this?

	Well, the report in today's New York Times is very vague and 
brief.  But from what I gather, the killer was not "from China" in the
sense the term is used here.  He seems to be a second-generation Chinese
in this country (but not sure).  His parents are here and his father
owns a Chinese restraunt.  The college he attends and where the killing
happened is a private "alternative college" basically for high school
dropouts.  The killing seems to be random.  He claimed to be "sick of
all", or so does his T-shirt...



	 Eddie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: puzzle?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:52:48 GMT

In article <BzBqxs.BqF@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>In article <9212152200.AA16705@euler.Berkeley.EDU> xiaohan@euler.Berkeley.EDU (Xiaohan Yun) writes:
>>
>> i heard this long time ago, after talked this puzzle to my
>>officemates during coffe break, their comment was ' uhmmm...
>>stooooooopid'; but we got a good laugh at it, so here we gooooo....
>>
>>let's say, there is an intellegent cow who is facing west,
                                                ^^^^^^
>>and here is an boring fellow counting number from 1 to 100;
>>when the cow hears a number it'll turn accordingly:
>>if the number is a multiple of 2 then the cow turns 90 degree clockwise;
>>if the number is a multiple of 3 then the cow turns 90 dreee counter-
>>clockwise;
>>if the number is a muliple of both 2 and 3, then the cow turns 180 degree;
>>all other numbers, the cow stands still.
>>
>>the question is: after the fellow finishes counting from 1 to 100,
>>which direction is the cow's tail points at?
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>
>>Xiaohan
>>
>
>6s: 16 ---> no net change
>other 2s: 50-16=34, is equivalent to 2 ---> a 180 degree turn
>other 3s: 33-16=17, is equilavent to 1 ---> a 90 degree CCW turn 
>
>=====>a 90 degree CW turn ===>
>
>It is hitting the NORTH wall!

Oh, godness, I almost get trapped.

It is hitting the SOUTH wall!

:-0
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 08:11:18 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


Who posted the original article?  This is the most stupid thread I have ever
see in USENET.  It is like asking "IS WHITE AMERICAN BRITISH"? or "IS WHITE
CANADIAN BRITISH"?

How stupid.  Another bitching thread from the pro-CCPers, I guess...


- Louis Pang 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xc17@quads.uchicago.edu (xiaoyong  chai)
Subject: Re: Open reply to a friend
Reply-To: xc17@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:43:10 GMT

In article <9212120253.AA00158@thames.bu.edu> lix@crsa.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>A netter friend wrote to me:
>>> (deleted, ... I said) : I just made some D-fighters
>>> very nervous -- Have you seen their personal attack on me? I did not
>> bother to reply yet, let it cool down.
>>
>>    Yes, I am wondering why you have not counterattacked.
>
>Sorry friend, I am replying openly without your consent. I did not reply
>because at the first place, my words may be very offensive:
>
>"Shame on you, small report maker(s)"!!!
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why blame report maker(s)?  Are report makers realy necessary for someone's
trouble (you did not ask how many would think he actualy deserves it). given
that the net maybe monitored as it is funded by you know who's money.

Why don't you blame something maybe called "supper expediency (hypocricy?)" 
which is adopted by quite some elites here, namely, if they believe that 
their goal is good (for who?), they will cooperate with no matter who, evil
is fine, such evil who believes that TAM massacre is justified!

The bad news is, our elites maybe so powerful to control the net, they will
have trouble to convince everyone that just  an "expediency" to cooperate
with evils (they themselves are not evils for sure ?), Even worse yet, they
may have to convince someone other than our non-elite netters.. 


>
>Well, I did not expect it touches the nerves of a few D-fighters so badly.
>
>The second reason I did not reply, is their response is so illogical, that
>I am waiting for other D-fighters to correct it:-) For example, a current
                        ??????????

I am confused.  I thought D-fighter bashing is only a low-class game.

>GaoGan JHL wrote:
 ^^^^^^^
 Is it safe to say that GaoGan are D-fighters for sure? 



Xiaoyong Chai
From U of Chicago







Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china