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From: tychan@unccsun.uncc.edu (Tik Yuen Chan)
Subject: Re: Help on using Eten 3
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:44:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.230825.5363@vela.acs.oakland.edu> wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KAN WA S) writes:
>hello everybody
>
>This might be a dump question, but i went over to hongkong over this
>summer and got eten 3, and i forgot to bring the document of it.  And i
>tried to press every single possible combination of the keys like <Ctrl>
><Alt> and <F*>, and i still haven't find the ones for switching the input
>method, can anybody please tell me how to switch between input methods?
>
>Thanks in advance to all who help me.
>
>ps. posting in the news or via email is fine for me =)
>
>Fran <wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
>
>

I stop using ET3 for 3 months already, actually I used it for just two days.
I prefer KC over ET.
If my memory back me, you can try CTRL-SPACE or SHIFT-SPACE or ALT-SPACE either
of these is right.
From: albert@INSL.McGill.CA (Albert Pang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Jazz club in HK? (was Re: * * M U S I C * *)
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:10:14 GMT
Organization: INSL, McGill University, Montreal, Canada

Can somebody recommend some jazz club in Hong Kong?  I would like to
visit some next time when I am in Hong Kong.

Also, here is a related question for anyone who has seen the HK movie
Wedding Story (my translation, in cantonese Fun Yan Mud Yue), starring
YIP Tung, LEUNG Ka Fai and KWAN Chi Lum.  Jazz was featured prominently
in that movie.  I would like to know what pieces were they playing.
There is a scene in that movie when YIP Tung and LEUNG Ka Fai had
a talk in a jazz club.  Is that a real jazz club?

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Albert Pang		<albert@brahms.insl.mcgill.ca>
Information Networks & Systems Lab
McGill University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Kenneth K.F. Lui)
Subject: Re: Exotic Cars
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:04:43 GMT

In article <13OCT199217322843@rosie.uh.edu> cosc180f@rosie.uh.edu (92F06810) writes:
>	Is Pantera the car used in "Back To The Future"?  I don't really know 
>anything about this car?  Where is it made?  Can you tell me the specifications 
>of it such as the how many c.c the engine has or stuff like that. 
>
Replied via email already, but since it's been posted, too...

The car in "Back to the Future" is a Delorean.  Panteras are
designed by DeTomaso, an Italian Company, but powered by Ford.  I
don't have specs available, however--sorry.


Ken
From: stevew@cse.unl.edu (Steven Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: test
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:27:53 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu


  Test.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cosc180f@rosie.uh.edu (92F06810)
Subject: Re: Exotic Cars
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:19:00 GMT

In article <ldcb2aINNmna@spim.mti.sgi.com>, yhmok@luke.mti.sgi.com (Yeuk-Hai -Shark- Mok) writes...
>In article <1992Oct9.213623.16382@menudo.uh.edu>, cosc180f@rosie.uh.edu (92F06810) writes:
>|> 
>|> 	Let's start a topic about exotic CARS!  Any MAN who knows about cars, 
>|>  owns an exotic car, seen exotic cars, please contribute your experience.  I  
>|>  used to have a CRX HF.  Of course it is nothing like a Ferrari, but with a 
>|>  1500 c.c engine, it could go over 105 mph.
>|> 	What are you driving there?  3000GT twin turbo? 300zx?  RX 7 twin turbo?
>|>  OR a Ferrari?  
>|> 
>	I haven't had any experience with really great car like Ferrari.  Best
>I've tried is a old 911 and everything is heavy on that car.  Its fast Ok.
>I've a 240SX (for those in HK its the 200SX without the turbo but with bigger 
>engine) and its electronic limited to 107 or 109mph.
> 
>	Anyway shouldn't these kind of article go to rec.auto?
> 
>	Shark at SGI 

 Shark,
 	If you do think the kind of article you mentioned should go to rec.auto,
 the heck you answer it for?

 Tony Chan cosc180f@jetson.uh.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Sorry, here is the REAL chinese char
From: Simon_Cheung@kcbbs.gen.nz (Simon Cheung)
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:53:21 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Just as a suggestion, some of you would know that there is an
"Alt.Chinese.Text" newsgroup on USEnet, by running a TSR program beforehand, 
certain codes in the message will be converted to chinese characters 
in "real-time". This maybe an even better way of showing the results.
 
S.C.
 
PS. the program will work on any newsgroup, so why not try it here - 
the only problem is that it works via Mandarin pronunciation, so if 
you are someone like me (who can't speak Mandarin), you may have problem 
making the required script in the first place.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: u8903845@cs.uow.edu.au (Anil Sachdeva)
Subject: Sound Blaster Card & the Multimedia kit .
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:33:34 GMT

Hi

I would appreciatee if somebody could tell me the price of
Sound Blaster Multimedia kit in Hongkong .
This kit comes with SoundBlaster Pro Card,CD Rom and i think a few CD's .

Also if you could recommend the place for mail order .

Would appreciate your help .

Thanks in advance

Anil
email:u8903845@cs.uow.edu.au
From: cc015@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vito T. Kwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Too bad...
Date: 16 Oct 1992 16:29:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


The people working in the Education Department in HK should be ashamed of
themselves of still using BASIC as a language in computer science class.
Who need BASIC while Pascal and C is available. BASIC looks like a kid right
in front of these two giants.
For me, I didn't learn Pascal, I started C right away, ad I found that:

C is cool, C is awsome, C is good, C is fun, C is everything.

Hope the people in ED of HK some how get this message and get rid of the stupid
BASIC that designed for elementary school kids.
-- 
Vito Kwan                 
Academic Computer Center,   Hofstra University
INTERNET:   accvtk@vaxc.hofstra.edu
BITNET  :   csc3vtk@hofstra.bitnet
From: u1040448@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (C Ma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: real singers
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:51:56 GMT
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, UNSW, Australia

In article <1992Oct14.192239.19666@oracle.us.oracle.com> glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
>
>Though Alan Tam is not a very good singer, he doesn't deserve
>to be called a bad singer.  I would transfer grasshopper to the
>bad singers list.


Grasshopper sometimes can sing well, but sometime not. I can say that they are 
improving. Anyone heard their first album? The songs were great but they did
not sing as good as they are now.

Their dancing is good too, comparing to some others. But never compare them to
Japanese idols groups such as Hikaru Genji or Shounentai! Gee, those can REALLY
dance! :)

Chibi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: tlai@csri.toronto.edu (Tony Fu-Keung Lai)
Subject: Re: HK political groups
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:38:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.232630.9462@pegasus.com> wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng) writes:
>In <1992Oct14.153611.8299@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> tlai@csri.toronto.edu
>(Tony Fu-Keung Lai) writes:
>> Subject: HK political groups
>>
>> To me,  I support "Cooperative" (Kai Luen). I think that they are
>> more realistic. Hong Kong United Democrats almost does everything
>> to  have a greater democracy.  But I doubt that Hong Kong  people
>> easily  adjust  to this sudden democratic jump.
> 
>We already HAD the sudden democratic jump, we had the direct Legco
>election in Sept. 1991, and 16 out of the 18 are won by democrats.
 
Do you think it is normal? Remember that this is the first time that
HK has direct election. Do HK people really know the influence of
having direct election in Legco.

[...]

>> I am  not  saying  that  greater
>> democracy   is  not good.  It is just that it should not  go  too
>> fast. Moreover, this big democratic jump may have adverse effects
>> (e.g.  introducing  political instability) which will do  nothing
>> but harm to the Hong Kong's prosperity.
> 
>HK is already as rich as Japan per capita, richer if you apply the
>exchange rate warp correction factor.  If HK is not ready for
>democracy, who is?

How are a rich city/country related with democracy? Does a rich
city/country necessarily mean that it has a greater democracy?

>Remember it was the SUPPRESSION of democracy in '89 in the Motherland
>that resulted in a big slump in HK property and stock markets.

Remember that it was the people who wanted to have greater democracy
that caused the SUPPRESSION to happen.

>> Indeed, Chris Patten's recent report is a little bit "over".
> 
>I completely disagree.  I have a lot of admiration for Patten, esp.
>in that by making only "minor changes" within the constraints of the
>Basic Law, he has deftly turned all Legco seats into popularly elected
>ones, which by the way is REQUIRED by the Joint Declaration.
>
>Some pro-PRC people in HK accused Patten of violating the Joint
>Declaration and / or Basic Law.  Patten has been saying, "you say
>I violated JD /  BL, they are documents in black and white, WHERE
>did I violate them."  Of course he never did.
> 
>Then they said he violated the "spirit" of JD.  What nonsense, "spirit"
>of an international treaty must be interpreted by BOTH parties of
>the agreement.  If U.K. side has a different interpretation, there
>can no longer be a "spirit".
 
The point is not whether Patten's report violates Basic Law or
Joint Declaration. It is that this big political change is needed
in HK for the moment. HK people still do not have enough political
knowledge to judge whether a political change is good or not.

However, I do support Patten's report on the non-political issues.

Tony
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: ooOO dOG AND GOd OOoo
Keywords: dog god
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:35:39 GMT

stevew@helios.unl.edu (Steve Wu) writes:

>   From the above conclusion is: The assuming god doesn't exist.
> However, I guess this cannot disprove the existance of the God. ...

I guess you are right. I used to think that God doesn't exist,
but now my position is that I don't know whether God exists or
not, but I determined that even if God exists, his existence
is irrelvant to my life. So, whether He exists or not doesn't
bother me at all.

> ... If you really want to know who God is, what characters he has,
> please read the Bible and go to church to find out the answer.

Not sure about this though.

Steven
------
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: RE:The best pop band Beyond
From: nephilim@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:45:35 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

Reply to Beyond
I was Beyond Fan for awhile long time ago.  I quit supporting
them because they suck after "Modern Theather".  I love their
first EP "Waiting Forever".  I understand that you need to 
compromise to get success; but they just not as cool as they
are supposed to be.  Moreover, their songs are getting poppier
and poppier.  What happens to their rebellion?  Now, I only 
see they do it for those little girls or general Pop-song-
listeners.  It is sick.  It makes me sick too.  I heard 
their new ablum, it sucks.  Few good songs.  But not as good as

"Metal Madness" or "Waiting Forever".  I want to see Beyond to do
their music for themself, not for the crowd.  Sigh, all mighty
money.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: jfong@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu ()
Subject: sorry
Originator: jfong@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:40:53 GMT

Sorry guys, I just found out that I had reply to the same topic so many times!
This is because that's my first time to reply the article through rn, I
thought I did everything fine last night except that rn took forever to save
the reply (I waited for 5 minutes and still couldn't see the prompt).  I
pressed Ctrl-C to cancel the article, and resend another one.  Same thing
happened.

Don't blame me, that's the first time I summit an follow up article in this
way.  I will be more careful next time.
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: ooOO dOG AND GOd OOoo
Keywords: dog god
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:57:34 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne


In article <1belrsINN9aa@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, ecuzq@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr B H Y Tseng) writes:
|> In article <3348@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
|> >
|> >In article <1bbuukINNfrf@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, ecuzq@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr B H Y Tseng) writes:
|> >|>
|> >|> This is a really old so called "proof" but it was discussed in numerous
|> >|> jounals of philosophy that it is not a paradox. The traditional way
|> >|> to answer is that God could not create something which is logically
|> >|> impossible but that doesn't affect his omnipotence.
|> >
|> >By definition, omnipotence does mean having unlimited power and I suppose it
|> >can be extended to logically impossible task. Otherwise, one has to accept God
|> >is not omnipotent. The important thing is that why do people think that a
|> [deleted]
|> 
|> Well, the God's power is not mechanical, it's personal. When we talk about
|> God's power, we cannot separate it from His other attributes, namely,
|> Love, Righteousness, etc. Also, if God couldn't create a squared circle,
|> you may call Him not omnipotent according to your definition, but I doubt
|> your definition would be accepted by most philosophers.

If God is omnipotent, then God's powerful must encompass the mechancial aspect.
The God you mentioned has attributes derived from the Bible, it is the Christian
God, there is no other reasons to believe that God, if exists, even possesses such
attributes as love, righteousness etc.

|> >|> This is not a philosophical question, it's only a language game, and
|> >|> was discussed 10 to 15 years ago. Please read more journals and books
|> >|> about this.
|> >
|> >It must be more than 10 to 15 years ...
|> 
|> Well, there is a book written by Richard Swinburne, called "The
|> Coherence of Theism". It was published in the late seventies.
|> The above question is well discussed. Also see books written by
|> A. Plantinga.

They are not the first two human beings talked about these things. From the 
title of the book, it sounds that the author started out to defend theism.

Let me reiterate one thing, a true "God" believer should not limit his/her
view to Christian God, and Christian God as described in the Bible could be
too limited to be considered universal.

Lin Can
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From: tychan@unccsun.uncc.edu (Tik Yuen Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: WAS MAD IN LOVE WITH HER.
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:51:18 GMT
Organization: Siu Ping Ngo Wing Yuen Oi Jeuk Nai.


Girl...Don't you know I still love you?

Love you forever,
Chas Chan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: Cantonese Romanization (Re: Sorry, here is the REAL chinese
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:25:23 GMT

leekfe@eecg.toronto.edu (Kim Fung Edward Lee) writes:

> I think that it's pretty good to know both Mandarin PinYin 
> and Cantonese PinYin....

The way I see it, it is not only a feasible way to spell out
Cantonese with english letters, but more importantly, it is
also a powerful method to enter text in Chinese word processors.
Cxterm provides standard mandarin PinYin as one input method, but
it also allow one to add customized input methods. There is already
one Cantonese PY supported, (I got the CTCPS3-b5 from HiuTung) is
the one proposed by Wong the same (i.e. implemented) as CTCPS3? 
Can HiuTung or Fung Fung Lee comment on this?

From my (very limited) experience, one major problem in entering
chinese text is that when you can't find the word with your method,
what you can do? The last resort is dictionary, which must have
at least 2 different methods to access the word and return the
PY. While there is standard GB dictionaries on the market, I can't
find any cantonese dictionary (especially for computer text input)
here in SF chinatown. Does anyone know that there is already such
dictionary? If not, I hope that people who work on Cantonese PY for
computer chinese text input must convince publishers in HK to work
on one, and quick!

I felt that we (SCHKers as a whole) is falling behind mainlanders.
I don't know how many of you are reading HXWZ, which is completely
written in Chinese. And I think if we have enough people learn how
to PY right in Cantonese, it's a very simple step to enter chinese
text in computers. I think we need to raise interests on this subject,
and with so many overseas HK students/non-students, if just 10% can 
master these tools, then we can have a net-based chinese publication
like HXWZ.

Comments are welcome.

Steven
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328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: johnny@futon.SFSU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: The C program many people wants ...
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:35:57 GMT
Organization: San Francisco State University

Please notice that the C fingering program is not as desirable as
you  guys  think.  It  cannot  detect everybody from anywhere who
fingered you. I had already deleted the best  version  so  please
stop  mailing  me  for the program. Thank you very very very very
much ...
From: bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: ooOO dOG AND GOd OOoo
Date: 17 Oct 1992 04:48:14 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
Keywords: dog god

You know, since we somehow wandered into mathematics, there are two
types of Geometry.  The difference is in the point of view.  First,
Euclidean Geometry, where things could be proven from a strictly
logical sense, where everything is built upon something before.  Here,
all three angles of any triangle sums to 180 degrees.
Then you go to non-Euclidean geometry.  Parallel lines do intersect here.
Sometimes, 3 angles to a triangle sums up above 180 (this is a triangle
drawn on a spherical surface, if I remember right...instead of Euclid's
flat paper) while other times, less than 180 degrees (in what I think
they call a saddleblock or some 'anti-sphere')
Thus, my point:  Everything is within perspective.
So, what do HK people (or chinese in general) think about religion?
Is there only One God, or do you believe in the more traditional Chinese
theologies?
Discussions only, no flames please.  And perhaps a more religious discussion
from the standpoint of different (Chinese) perspective.  (just stirring the
coal)
-- 
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Just Babbling   <bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu>   state of confusion"
Disclaimer 1:   I'm actually a really nice person. (sorta) :) ;)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Kenneth K.F. Lui)
Subject: Re: Exotic Cars
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:50:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.213623.16382@menudo.uh.edu> cosc180f@rosie.uh.edu (92F06810) writes:
>	Let's start a topic about exotic CARS!

I got a chance to drive a friend's Pantera several years ago.
If I remember correctly:

	It was very loud
	I couldn't hear the driver or passenger talk when
		it idled at <1000rpm(at 1500rpm, it was more
		comfortable)
	Lots of torque
	It was fast
	When my friend drives it, he goes from 1st to 3rd--
		no need for 2nd at all
	Nice brakes
	Shifter is in a racing pattern (1st is doglegged
		while 2nd through 5th is in the H pattern)
	Shifter was very stiff
	Clutch was heavy
	Pedals are skewed to the center of the car because of
		the front wheelwells
	No dead pedal
	There were knobs and sliders that felt '70-ish
	Chrome was used to accent a lot of the interior
	We paid a lot of attention to the car's temperature
	Car was a show car and you could literally eat off of
		the engine
	Headlights poped up very slowly
	Car handled well
	Windshield was made with relatively soft glass and had
		some nicks from rocks
	Didn't even pay attention to the side and rearview
		mirrors
	Painted in eye-catching yellow
	Definitely a weekend car

He recently sold it and talks/jokes about getting an NSX.

I drive a '91 MR2 Turbo, and although the MR2 doesn't have the
mystique of the Pantera, it's less brutish and more "practical,"
relatively speaking, than the P-car.  The P-car will most likely
beat my 2 in acceleration, but I think my car will handle a
little better--too bad I won't be able to find out for sure.
Hey, if he gets his NSX and I make lots of mods on my Mr. Two...


Ken
From: u1040448@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (C Ma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HK comics: Tin Ha
Keywords: Tin Ha, comic, wind, cloud
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:09:51 GMT
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, UNSW, Australia

In article <1992Oct13.175449.15380@oracle.us.oracle.com> alaw@uucp (Alvin W. Law) writes:
>
>I guess that's what Ma plans to do, breaking Fung Wan into short
>stories of around 10 episodes each.



Can anyone give a brief description of the first story in Tin Ha? I forgot it.
The title was "Two Poles", I think, and I think the art was better than "Fung
Wun" now.

Chibi
From: cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: search for a method to give birth to a boy
Keywords: method, son
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:19:38 GMT
Organization: Cheung's Funky Shop, Inc.

Article: 18552 of soc.culture.hongkong
From: wu@uranus.cerfacs.fr (Wangnan Wu) wrote

>Hi,
>I'm just thirty-two years old and I had five daughters. I am
>eager for method to give birth to a son! Do you know any method?

>I'm looking forward to hearing from you!

>Wangnan WU


Funky Cheung says, 1st, you need to change your name.
Your name, pronouced in Mandrine, is as followed,


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They certainly aren't very helpful for your effort in  trying 
to make a baby boy.

Funky Cheung has a thing everyone and every concern.

Cheung's Funky Shop, Inc.