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From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: James Cameron interviewed in the Summer 1992 _Perfect Vision_
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:47:38 GMT

Some good news. According to the issue, the following Laserdiscs are upcoming:

1) Terminator. There are talks going on about a Special Edition of Terminator.
No extra footage, but supplements and a new stero soundtrack will be included.
Maybe CAV.

2) Abyss. Currently underway - out for holiday 1992 shopping. Extensive extra
footage and extensive suppliments. Transfer done by Cameron and Van Ling. 
Probably priced at $100. From the interwiew - 25 minutes of extra footage, LBX
at 2.35-1 and it might even make it to the theatures ala BladerRunner.

3) Terminator II. "... sometime in 1993 we should see a collector's edition of
Terminator II. Extra footage, extensive suppliments, the works."
 
Michael


-- 
Michael Kaufman | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on
 kaufman        | fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in
  @eecs.nwu.edu | the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be
                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty 
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From: med50003@nusunix2.nus.sg (WANSAICHEONG KHIN-LIN)
Subject: Re: REVIEW: NAKED LUNCH
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 12:44:51 GMT

Naked Lunch - Movie by D Cronenberg et al

I liked Naked Lunch but I agree with what Ken said about not everyone
liking it. When I watched it in the theatre, 10 - 20 people walked out
after the bugs appeared - which appears to correlate to the things said
about how people dislike the uncomfortable ugliness of the bugs. The
unusual thing is that I normally hate and loathe cockroaches which many
of the creatures resemble yet I was willing to sit through the entire
movie and found myself laughing at most of the scenes.

The movie actually has little to do with the book although there are
some ideas borrowed from it. The pivotal item seems to be related to the
William Tell scene (I'm trying not to give it away here). It relates to
how much an addiction can take over a person's life and actions. I think
that that was what attracted me to this movie. It is very dark in that
way in showing the underbelly of life's unpleasantness and pulls no
punches in showing the consequences of our actions.

My favourite scenes are those in which Peter Weller spins ridiculous
tales out of nothing to amuse / confuse or just to play with the words.

I'd watch it again but I too would be wary about recommending it unless
I knew what the other person liked. Be careful with this one.

========================================================================
What about Jack?
Jack's on drugs. He can't come.
What about you?
I'm on drugs. I don't need to come..
=========================================================================

Gervais Wan
From: tkelsey@panix.com (Tom Kelsey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: EUROPA, EUROPA
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:23:28 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC


 I know I a late in seeing this, but it just came out on Video,
and I saw it. Was wondering if any one else had seen it, and
what their opinion of it was.

tk
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From: sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate)
Subject: Re: TERMINATOR II
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:58:56 GMT

jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH) writes:

>ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:

>>Well, for starters, they could have explained why oh why the T1000 was able
>>to go back in time in a machine that only allows living things to pass
>>through.
>[...]

>In "The Terminator", when asked why he didn't bring a decent, 2029-vintage
>weapon to 1984 to fight the Terminator, Reese replied something to the effect
>that field distortion caused by transporting a living organism prevented him
>from bringing luggage (so to speak). No mention was made of anything other
>than the *combination* being verboten.

Reese says quite clearly that nothing non-living goes.  How the T-1000 got
back through time _is_ a big mystery, and perhaps the biggest plot hole of  
the entire movie.  Some handwaving could be done to the effect of "they never
really explain a lot about the specific properties of the liquid metal".   

>The implication was that completely nonliving cargo is transportable by itself. T
>There is also a reference to the fact that the complete envelopment of the
>metal by the Terminator's living tissue is OK. Plot conveniences? Sure; you
>gotta have *some*, right?

Well, since the Resistance sent their guy back second, they could have dropped
off a weapon for him to use if that was true.  


Don't get me wrong, I loved the film.  I thought it was a very well-done
action flick, with humor, good pacing and absolutely gorgeous effects.

But this doesn't mean it didn't have problems....


-- 
Sanjiv Sarwate		sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu	SANJIV@UIUCVMD
"The next day, the former Prime Minister accepts his first job since leaving
the Executive Mansion; cleaning out the inn's stables.  He notes that the two
occupations are not, essentially, dissimilar."
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: TERMINATOR II
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:42:13 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <64176@hydra.gatech.EDU>, by ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz):
> guy away!  Why not just walk into the guy's house, and show him, and
> explain?  That's what they ended up doing anyway!

Well, she obviously had given up on that already at the time she tried
to blow the factory up, didnt't she?  It's obvious that nobody heeded
her warnings between the films, so why should the think it was going
to be different this time?  It's fairly clear that she preferred
"direct" solutions to lots of talking.

> Then there's the fact that she can't accept the Terminator being on
> their side (not until the very end).  

> man she's ever loved.  But that's not a reason to hate/distrust the
> Terminator.  It's a tool.  It does what it's programmed to do.

How would she know what it's programmed to do?  Because it tells her
it's her friend?  Even a completely sane person would be very careful
before choosing to believe the Terminator.  Actually, her
near-paranoia was one of the most convincing parts of the film.

> Like a
> gun.  Had Reese been shot, I'm sure she would still own a lot of guns.
> I mean, this woman has a f**king arsenal, including a minigun, and yet
> she can't see that the Terminator is just another weapon, to be used
> by either side?  It's a crock.

But how do you know the gun you'be been handed isn't jury-rigged?
Sure, with a gun that's no problem.  But what do you do with a robot?
It's *not* just a tool, for crying out loud, it's on a completely
different scale of complexity.  How does she know he's not a fake, and
if he is, how should she know they didn't fuck up somewhere during the
"reprogramming".  How do you expect her to check, let him make a
coredump of himself and show it to her?

> [...]  *Nothing* has changed.  The
> program can continue, minus one member (OK, so he was the leader.  He's
> not unreplacable).
> When you're that close to a breakthrough, you don't just scrap the
> program.

They went to quite a lot of trouble to make it clear that HE was close
to the breakthrough, not the team.  (Note that he was working on it at
home as well, btw.  Any results of that evening would have been gone
for good.)  He had the idea.  Nobody guarantees that somebody else
might not come up with something, but the situation has changed, the
guarantee is gone.

-- 
Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: RASPUTIN
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:45:28 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

In article <john.712418048@spssig.spss.com> john@spss.com (John Przyborowski) writes:
>
>"much of the film is static and slow, as Russian films often are"?
>
>what?
>
>"The Battleship Potemkin" by Sergei Eisenstein, the film that anyone
>who's ever taken a film class has seen, is "static and slow"?

Well, in point of fact, my experience suggests that Mr. Leeper is correct.
Eisenstein's films are obvious counterexamples, but there's a lot more
Russian film out there than Eisenstein.  And much of it is slow and
static.  A great deal of Tarkovsky's works, for instance, could legitimately
be described as "slow and static".  (They're great films, none the less -
I wouldn't claim that films are only good when they move at a snappy pace
and the camera zips around a lot.)  Or consider Paradjanov (I've certainly
mispelled his name, and he was Armenian, I believe, not Russian, but his films 
came out of the Soviet cinema.)  "The Color Of Pomegranites" is an extremely 
slow film, almost devoid of any camera movement.  (And what there is is mighty
leisurely.)  There is often a feeling in Russian art films that someone has 
poured honey over the camera's internal mechanisms, making it impossible to do 
anything quickly.

I might not go so far as Mr. Leeper, since I know we in the U.S. have
seen only the tiniest fraction of all Russian films, far less, fractionally,
than French films, for instance.  We almost never get a chance to see
Soviet WWII movies, for example, and I have heard that they made up a
very sizeable fraction of Russian film output for nearly 50 years.  I suspect
that, good or bad, these films don't tend to be static and slow.

>Why don't add--
>
>"much of the film is gratuitous violence and sex, poorly written at that,
>as American films often are"  :) :) :) 
>
>Then you could call "Citizen Kane" a the archetypical American film with
>*real* conviction. :)

Well, that's also not too false a characterization of modern American
films.  And "Citizen Kane" is a counterexample, just as Eisenstein is
a counterexample to the Russian generalization.  (Woody Allen's films
are better counterexamples, since the generalization only applies to 
modern American films, which "Citizen Kane" is not.)

While we're on the subject of Russian film and Eisenstein, does anyone 
know for certain whether they actually found Eisenstein's lost film in
the KGB archives or not?  The KGB definitely seized one of his incomplete
films, and I heard talk that people hoped to turn it up somewhere in
the huge pile of stuff they confiscated, but has it actually been found?

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: hamel@primate.wisc.edu (Ray Hamel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Lenny Van Dohlen
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:41:31 GMT
Organization: UW-Madison Primate Center


>From: med50003@nusunix3.nus.sg (WANSAICHEONG KHIN-LIN)
>
>Does anyone know what other films the above actor has starred in apart
>from `Electric dreams'? I know he played Harold Smith in Twin Peaks but
>I hadn't seen him in anything else. Would appreciate replies...
>
He's also appeared in the 1988 film DRACULA'S WIDOW.

Ray Hamel
University of Wisconsin
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: HK Movies (Was: Diary of a Hitman)
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:13:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.043523.10314@iti.gov.sg> hcleong@iti.gov.sg (Leong Heng Cheong) writes:
>
>In article <1992Jul27.012505.5166@athena.mit.edu> ep[rice@sql.sybase.com writes:
>>I just watched Diary of a Hitman.  This is the worst movie I have seen
>>in recent memory.
>
>[NB: I've never seen DIARY OF A HITMAN before -- I assume it is
>a Hong Kong movie based on the content of the previous posting...]

No, it's an American film.  I believe that similarities in plot elements
were what led to the comparison to "The Killer".

>For Hong Kong movies, the ratio of bad movies compared to good
>movies is very much higher than that of Hollywood (IMHO, of course).

Maybe.  I don't know anything about the rotten Hong Kong films, since
only the best ones tend to make it here.  Of course, there are probably
a number of rotten American films that mercifully fail to immigrate, too.

>John Woo, for example, is not that great a director in this part of the
>world.  A BETTER TOMORROW was a box-office hit, but his later films
>could not get out of the sterotype and received quite bad reviews.  

Woo has just signed to make his first American film.  It's a Jean-Claude
Van Damme vehicle, which is not a very good sign, in my opinion.  If I
were Woo, I'd have held out for a film with a real actor, rather than
a wooden performer with excellent martial arts skills.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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From: Kathleen Bedard <mistress@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: "Sisters" song - where????
X-To: KAREN PRESTEMON
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:15:00 GMT

KP>From: ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon)
KP>>
KP>>>O.K. Movie quote-ahaulics, name this movie for me.  It contained
KP>>>the song:
KP>>>
KP>>>sisters, sisters, there were never such devoted sisters,

KP>        So forth and so on....

KP>>"White Christmas," starring Bing Crosby and Danny Kaye. The song was
KP>>sung by a sister act who were alternately falling into and out of love
KP>>with the heroes. I can't recall the name of either actress, I'm
KP>>sorry to say.

KP>Actually, the movie was called "Holiday Inn," but the song "White
KP>Christmas" made it's debut during the film.  I can't remember the
KP>names of the actresses either, but the one thin one always had
KP>her neck covered up by a scarf or a turtleneck....  I've always
KP>wondered about that!!

Actually it was White Christmas - Holiday Inn was with Fred Astaire and
Bing Crosby - Bing left "show business" to buy a farm.  Later sick of
the work desides to open a nightclub only open on Holidays.  He
discovers an out of work actress/dancer only to have her stolen away by
Fred.

White Christmas on the other hand had Bing and Danny Kaye as soldiers
who through a kind gesture end up in Vermont with their old commander
from the army and the two sisters.

Kathleen

---
 * SLMR 2.1a * 
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From: alb@ais.org (Alan Brushaber)
Subject: Re: Need Clockwork Orange Info
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:23:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.190625.13757@linus.mitre.org> jartz@mitre.org writes:
>
> 
>In article <1992Jul21.130421.17670@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, bonness@cae.wisc.edu (Matthew Bonness) writes:
>|> Can anyone refresh my memory - it's been a while since
>|> I last watched Stanley Kubrick's classic, and I can't
>|> exactly remember what music was used in what scenes.
>|> All I remember is that the William Tell overture finale
>|> was used in the hyper-fast scene. If anyone remembers
>|> the soundtrack details, please reply. Thanks.
>|> 
>|> ------
>|> Matt. 
>
>The fourth movement of Beethoven's Symphony No. 9 was the 
>most memorable music from the movie.
>
>
  What was the name of the Henry Purcell piece? Something like
Funeral March for Queen Mary (am I close? :). That was also a
re-occurring theme throughout the flick - and a neat one at that!

ALB
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From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place)
Subject: Re: INFO on TWIN PEAKS
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:16:28 GMT

In article <wePr8yS00VpI4Ii1tZ@andrew.cmu.edu>, Louis Anthony Faassen <lf0v+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...

} My simple question: when is the Twin Peaks movie "Fire Walk With Me"
} scheduled to be realeased?  Anyone got a simple answer

Simple answer: August 28th.

-- 

	"She's my radiation baby.
	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
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From: ziauddin@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Tasneem Ziauddin)
Subject: Re: Woman in For Your Eyes Only
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:49:40 GMT

ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Curt Tsui) writes:

>What other films has Carol Bouquet (sp?) (the crossbow lady) of
>For Your Eyes Only been in?  I seem to remember her in Bunuel's
>The Obscure Object of Desire but I'm not sure.  Anything else?
>--

>Curt Tsui            
>ckt4x@Virginia.EDU   

Yes, she was in the Bunuel picture you mentioned and in _Too Beautiful for
You_ with Gerard Depardieu.  It is available on videotape and is pretty
good and a little eccentric.  Even though I though she was pretty wooden in
the Bond film I really liked her in _Too Beautiful for You_.
From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Filmographies for the two George Millers
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:23:04 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Here are filmographies for the two Australian directors named George
Miller. Note that the Directors List occasionally posted to this
newsgroup has two films listed for Dr. George Miller that were actually
by the other one.

These filmographies are from FILM DIRECTORS: A COMPLETE GUIDE [Eighth
International Edition, 1990].

[Dr.] George Miller

1979  Mad Max
1982  Mad Max 2  [a.k.a. The Road Warrior]
1983  The Dismissal  [mini-series; co-directed with Phillip Noyce,
                      George Ogilvie, Carl Schultz, & John Power]
1983  Twilight Zone--The Movie  [co-directed with John Landis,
                                 Steven Spielberg, & Joe Dante]
1985  Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome  [co-directed with George Ogilvie]
1987  The Witches of Eastwick

George [Trumbull] Miller

1975  Cash & Co.  [mini-series; co-directed with Russell Hoag]
1978  Against the Wind  [mini-series; co-directed with Simon Wincer]
1980  The Last Outlaw  [mini-series; co-directed with Kevin Dobson]
1982  The Man from Snowy River
1984  All the Rivers Run  [mini-series; co-directed with Pino Armenta]
1985  The Aviator
1985  Anzacs: The War Down Under  [mini-series; co-directed with Pino
                                   Armenta & John Dixon]
1986  Cool Change
1987  Les Patterson Saves the World
1987  The Far Country  [mini-series]
1987  Bushfire Moon  [a.k.a. The Christmas Visitor] [made for cable]
1990  The Neverending Story II

-- 

	"She's my radiation baby.
	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
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From: quale@saavik.cs.wisc.edu (Douglas E. Quale)
Subject: Re: TERMINATOR II
Organization: Undergraduate Projects Lab, UW Madison
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:47:19 GMT

In article <64103@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>
>I know lots of people who agree with me.  I also know lots of people who
>like the second better than the first.  Why didn't I like it?  The plot
>holes, the lack of continuity, the fact that it *never should have happened*,
>and the fact that nothing's changed just because they blew up all the files.
>

Plot holes have been discussed to death on r.a.m, but most can be filled
(somewhat) plausibly.  Continuity is fine with the first film.  Everything
has changed.  The man responsible for building Skynet is dead.

-- 
Doug Quale
quale@saavik.cs.wisc.edu
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From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Re: Favorite musicals
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:47:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.183435.21145@ll.mit.edu>, urbano@ll.mit.edu (John Urbano) writes:
> 
>  Two of my favorite musicals of all time are Yankee Doodle Dandee
>  and 1776.
> 
>  YDD is a classic, I just saw it yesterday for the first time in about
>  6 years.  Unfortunately they colorized it, and didn't do a very good 
>  job.  Thank god that colorization has no effect on the music.
> 
>  1776 does not seem to have a large following, but I don't understand
>  why.  
> 
>  Let's hear some opinions on these two great musical.
> 
>  John
> 
> -- 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?   The Shadow...

I thought Yankee Doodle Dandy was terrific. I suppose it's too much to ask if
the music from that is available on CD...

rlwilliams
From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.wobegon
Subject: Re: More News from Lake Wobegon...
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:43:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York

In article <Brp722.G9o@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
> You are correct, it is NC. I may be excused though, since I was
> never a "US Student" and US Geography wasn't emphasized much in 
> High School  9-)

Well, I was a US student and they never taught US geography in my
school either!  (I'm serious.)

This reminds me of one of my favorite George Carlin routines:

(NEWS FLASH)  A high school geography teacher shot a student today
because he didn't know the capital of Scotland.  Police officials are
alerting the public that this man is still at large, that he is armed
and dangerous, and that the capital of Scotland is Edinburgh.

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
{murphy | philabs}!dwrsun4!perl
	-- "I am not a language ... I am a free man!"
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From: bonnie@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Bonnie L. Maidak)
Subject: Coffee Club Orchestra CD
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:45:35 GMT

Just to let you all know of a (I believe) new CD featuring the
Coffee Club Orchestra...

"Shaking the blues away". Rob Fisher and the Coffee Club Orchestra.
Angel CDC 7 54390 2, (P)1992. Length 59:58. Recorded at BMG Studios, New York,
November 25-27 and December 23, 1991.

It includes Garrison singing the "Tishomingo Blues" (the intro song
each week on ARC), "Wah-hoo", and the poem "Lamour" set to "I'll never
have to dream again".

Garrison has written a short note, there are short notes about each
song, and lyrics for "Tishomingo Blues", "Wah-Hoo", and "Lamour".

The closing song played by the CCOrchestra each week is 'Copenhagen',
and quoting from the CD notes:
  "When Charlie Davis wrote this tune for his band, it was not a
   tribute to a Danish city; it was named for the brand of snuff that
   his tuba player enjoyed."

I haven't been able to put the title track out of my mind for any long
period of time.

It's a good CD if you enjoy that part of ARC each week.
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: re: Doctor's Memory from the 2 Doctors
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 05:41:48 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

ekho.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:

>
>   I have two thoughts on the poser that Yadallee posted...
>
>   1)  I agree that the Spectrox could well have wiped some memory...
>       Don't forget that in the first place, the regenerations into the
>       5th and 6th Doctors were particularly nasty... That could have
>       helped, as well.
>
>   2)  Perhaps the Doctor was just keeping the recognition of Peri to
>       himself;  if Peri were to know certain things, a paradox (or is
>       that paradoc? :-) ) could occur!

  Well, one should note that in T5D, the Doctor mk 2 did recognize Jamie and
Zoe AFTER his trial.
>
>   I'm getting the feeling in my bones that we have another debate
> developing here ;-)  Stay Safe!
>

 I might agree, time to head for the nuclear bunkers.
>
>       Yours in Time and Space,
>
>
>          Ekho (Kiler Queen, Dynamite with a Laser Beam)



Dave Shariff Yadallee
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!
yankee: (n) a person with long, yankable hair
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