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From: ctrexp5@caa.mrs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re.poll
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:19:26 GMT
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Organization: University of Minnesota, Morris

If I remember correctly, Castle roogna was my first, followed the rest of 
the Xanth series in rapid succesion.  





NATEPALM the MUNIFICENT
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: sdanielst@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Is there an PA fan club in Australia??
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:38:11 GMT


Just a short enquiry to find out if there is a Piers Anthony Fan Club In 
Aussie - I spose I could join the Hi-PIERS but I don't think my folks will be 
willing to pay for the phone calls!!! :-)


    	Troy Daniels.
+------------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
| Replys to: sdanielst@cc.curtin.edu.au.   |        Troy Daniels.	       |
+------------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
| Violent:  Originally intended to be planted along the medium strips          |
|           of paths. This idea was scrapped when it was decided that          |
| 	    there was already too much violents on the media!!                 |
|    		(Heaven Cent, Piers Anthony)				       |
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 7 Oct 1992 23:43:18 EDT
From: <IO10536@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: TCHOP + Knowledge...

*DING*
The lightbulb just flashed... ok. I'm slow.
This article cleared it up for me:  I'm one of those who feel
PA's books have "lost" something, although I still enjoy reading them.
In his (longer than 3 book) series, the first are INTELLECTUALLY
STIMULATING, and entertaining.  The last few are "merely" fun to read.
Thus while I still can roll on the floor w/ the puns, IMHO, the last
few Xanth just don't have the mental grist of the first couple Incarn-
ations, Macroscope, Tarot...
Plus there's a lot to be said for innovation... while PA continues
to put new characters into Xanth, it seems each book is at least
one-fifth review. :-(

-trond
    *one nation, under surveillance, with wiretaps and
                  urine testing for all*
BTW- was anyone else kinda bugged by PA bringing in Jenny Elf
     from an entirely different world?
From: guyette@wpi.WPI.EDU (Thomas M Guyette)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: ...Sorry...
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:27:47 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

I really don't mean to force you folks to stoop to my level, ( :-) ) but could
someone please, if you know it, mail me Mr. Anthony's address?  It would seem
that in a nest of bees, someone would know where the honey is kept... 

						Thanks,

								-- Tom
From: SBARNETT@tattoo.cs.widener.edu (Scott Barnett)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: XANTH & MODE
Date: 13 Oct 1992 00:43:01 GMT
Organization: Widener University Department of Computer Science, Chester PA
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Can any one tell me what the first book in the XANTH series is?
Also, is the second Mode book out yet?
Thanks.



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From: zweldron@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Matthew Charlap)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: Mouvar
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:16:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

IO10536@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>Not to beat the thread to death, but one more series that has gone
>downhill is the Prophesies of Mouvar (is there a proper name to
>the series?)  I really liked Dragon's Gold, but the third started
>getting really repetitive...  Another case of writing a series
>merely to complete the prophesy
While still in with the prophesy thing, the fourth book, Orc's Opal, was in
many ways different than the previous 3 books. I thought that it was a bit 
better than Chimaera's.
Just an opinion.
--Matthew
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: broldan@zeus.calpoly.edu (Brad Roldan)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Piers Anthony a Woman!?!?!
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:33:21 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo


 The Subject says it all. I heard a nasty rumor the the man we know as
 Piers Anthony is really her husband. Hmmmm.
 Can anyone refute or back this rumor up?

-- 

broldan@hebe.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: alw9038@rigel.tamu.edu (WHITEAKER, AMANDA LORRAINE)
Subject: The first book was...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:43:00 GMT

Well, the first book I picked up and started to read was _Out of Phaze_.
I read the first three chapters.  I mentioned to my boyfriend that I was
reading it.  He then told me that it was part of a series (I didn't know
that).  He lent me the rest of the series in order.  So, the first PA
book I read in its entirity was _Split Infinity_.

					Lorraine
					alw9038@sigma.tamu.edu
From: s921886@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (James Chun Ng)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: Piers Anthony a Woman!?!?!
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:48:17 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

broldan@zeus.calpoly.edu (Brad Roldan) writes:


> The Subject says it all. I heard a nasty rumor the the man we know as
> Piers Anthony is really her husband. Hmmmm.
> Can anyone refute or back this rumor up?

>-- 

>broldan@hebe.calpoly.edu 

	You have GOT to be kidding. If u wanna get flamed then youve found the
perfect topic to do it on. Who the hell told u this rumour. Whoever told u
this must have also told u that Elvis is alive and living next to PA in Florida.
Come on now, If the author of all the PA books was really Carrol then how do
you explain his bibliography of his life told in the true PA style, his male
(sexually orientated) views and novels, his...well I can't think of anything 
else at the moment but...oh yeah what about his novels and short stories that
were based on his past army life e.g. the Bio of a Space Tyrant series (BTW does
anyone know if he is going to do the Iron Maiden series based on Spirit Hubris?)
	
	Basically, just tell that person to read PA's Bio of an Ogre and THEN
get him or her to tell u that rumour again. I can guarantee u that he or she
won't say a thing.

	Here's a question for all you PA fans or 'wannabe's'.     

	What is Piers Anthony's REAL mane and what is his wife's full MAIDEN 
name. I'll give you a clue for the second question...her first name is 'Carol'
(I spelt it wrong b4).

	Have fun trying to answer the questions, the first should be relatively
easy but the second will take a bit of time. The FIRST person who answers then
both correctly will get to ask ask the next question and so on.

	I'm going to post this question again under it's own title so all u PA
fanboys and girls answer ASAP.

Daniel Huang
s921886@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
aiesec@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
From: varhus@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kristofor A Varhus)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: ...Sorry...
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:13:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1bcu53INN4cf@bigboote.WPI.EDU> guyette@wpi.WPI.EDU (Thomas M Guyette) writes:
>I really don't mean to force you folks to stoop to my level, ( :-) ) but could
>someone please, if you know it, mail me Mr. Anthony's address?  It would seem
>that in a nest of bees, someone would know where the honey is kept... 

This is what the previous article was supposed to be about, but it somehow got
erased.  (This seems to be happening to me a lot these days.)  If you could, 
e-mail me that address as well.  I'd really appreciate it.

--
Kristofor A. Varhus
varhus@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
From: mauser@INTERCON.COM (Richard Chandler)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: The 'humanity' of furries
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:22:35 GMT

Subject: Re: The 'humanity' of furries

> >The first is to make their
> >furry characters completely human in every way except for physical
> >appearance (of which Hepcats and Usagi Yojimbo are just two of many
> >examples).
> 
> When an author does this, I often wonder why the author chose to place
> his characters in a furry universe.  Humans would have worked just as
> well, and probably might have expanded the readership as well, since not
> everyone likes furries. 

Maybe the creator just happens to like furries?  Perhaps they're more 
visually interesting?  Also, it's easier to differentiate animal characters 
from one another.  Just look at a Marvel comic and see how exactly the same 
all the characters are (Minus the accessories, like different costumes and 
hair color).

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry,alt.prose,alt.tv.tiny-toon
From: dwixom@vx9000.weber.edu (Silver)
Subject: Re: What is the status of FurryMuck?
Organization: Weber State University - CompSci
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:45:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: vx9000.weber.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Oct10.034429.29467@netcom.com>, starcat@netcom.com writes...
>This is not the promised truth, but the best word that I can get right
>now is that Furry will NOT return to the CMU site. 

>However, the word of no return to the CMU site is not from a wizard, so
>no guarentees that it is right. If a wiz has better news, or just any news
>weither it be to confirm the life or death of Furry-main, please post!

>-Solaris Gato
>sometimes known as Ducas on FurryMuck, sometime not.

I've been talking with Shaterri on this... Apparently CMU's administration
appropriated the machine without warning, moving it from the lone office it
was in to some other location, and Shat has no easy way of finding out where.

As long as that stands, with highlandpark's whereabouts unknown, the updated
db is unreachable. The test site on hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu 8888 will
continue to run, as a 'furry substitute', until a new site can be found,
or Chris gets tired of the load on hawkwind.

Here's hoping...

-Silver, most of the time Kimi on FurryMUCK.
  "I only am what I ever was."
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: The 'humanity' of furries
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:54:56 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <81612@ut-emx.uucp>, hepfox@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Peyton) writes:
> how they behave.  In other words, how "human" should furries be?

Well, basically, I don't really care how human they "should" be.  It varies
with the story.  If you're writing about a bunch of genetic constructs that
serve humans ala Bladerunner, maybe they are virtually humans in animal suits. 
If you're writing about a fantasy world where you think it'd be more
*interesting* to have characters share traits associated with their particular
animal types, so be it.

IMHO, whatever works for your story.  When I hear people griping about furries
being humans in animal suits or that there are too many of or too few of some
particular type of animal, I don't really care much about it -- As far as I see
furrydom, it covers a lot of ground.  If someone wants to define stories with
furries as requiring acceptance of certain values or inherently portraying
characters with particular personality characteristics, I think they're
unfairly trying to redefine "furrydom" to exclude a bunch of people.

I doodle a lot.  I happen to like *drawing* characters that look like
animal-people.  As for the stories that I may put them in, I'm not necessarily
concerned with making them *behave* like animals in any way, shape or form. 
I'll write whatever story I'm able to come up with.

Anyway, let me clarify that my response is not meant to be a "rebuttal" to
Peyton or to suggest that he might be championing any sort of ideas that
furries "should" be animal-like or human-like or what-have-you.  Just throwing
in my two-bits' worth in the spirit of continuing a discussion, eh?  =)
-- 
-Jordan            ..      PEACOCK5293@iscsvax.uni.edu
                  .OO.     Jordan Peacock (Jordan Greywolf)
                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
                   --                      Cedar Falls, IA  50613
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: The 'humanity' of furries
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:34:08 GMT
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

I don't think Gallacci's characters personalities are that much related
to their species, other than by gross physical skills. The main differences
are social (compare Dea with Hitzok's second: both foxes, but Dea is from
Dornthant and has quite a different attitude from the colonial colonel
and his aide), rather than genetic.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   "Megulegetted ma mar a farkasodat ?"
  'U`  
Dette kan umulig vaere mitt rom, eftersom jeg ikke puster ammoniakk.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:49:14 -0400 
From: John Charles Fiala <jf2z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Confurence 4?

Could someone send me the info on Conference 4?
Where it is, registration, the whole nine yards?

Thanks!

.
-john
"Kiss me, I'm Irish"
"Eat me, I'm Danish"
jf2z+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: niall@kavishar.umd.edu (SERVAL)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Double Diamond Press News
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:28:25 GMT
Reply-To: niall@kavishar.umd.edu
Organization: A Safe Haven For Wolves

Hello..  Thought I'd send this little bit of info.  First, for anyone who is
waiting for some stuff ordered, Martin Wagner made a mass mail-out early this
week, so things are in transit for a bunch of people.
 
Second, he has decided (in the last few days) to go ahead and make, in addition
to a softcover version, a HARDCOVER Collegiate Hepcats (reprint of all the
Daily Texan Hepcats, plus some Sasta Says, and extra stuff), as well as
bringing the page count from 120 to 160 pages for both.  The books should
be ready for Christmas, and so far everything is well within schedule. 
 
The hardcover will cost $25 US, which is not that bad a price.  It will not
be signed or numbered, though.
 
If you desire more information, you are very welcome to contact Martin Wagner
directly at:
 
Double Diamond Press
9300 Northgate Boulevard, #116
Austin, Texas
78758-6105
(512) 837-5545
 
--Serval
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: The 'humanity' of furries
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:57:42 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <9210150222.AA12953@intercon.com>, mauser@INTERCON.COM (Richard Chandler) writes:
> Subject: Re: The 'humanity' of furries
> 
>> >The first is to make their
>> >furry characters completely human in every way except for physical
>> >appearance (of which Hepcats and Usagi Yojimbo are just two of many
>> >examples).
> visually interesting?  Also, it's easier to differentiate animal characters 
> from one another.  Just look at a Marvel comic and see how exactly the same 

That's a really good point, and one I'd hate to admit.  =)  Okay, so maybe not. 
Anyway, one thing I've found is that, yah, it's easier to differentiate between
animal characters.  Now, I *do* run into some problems when I have multiple
characters of the same "species", but that's just my own shortcoming as an
artist as I haven't gotten quite good enough yet to be able to draw the same
character over and over and over again for a comic and make him, her or it
distinct and consistent.

Another thing is that, for my political cartoons (which none of you get to see,
since that's just for a couple of local campus papers), I find it often more
convenient to throw in a few animals for characters.  It automatically signals
that this is somewhat of an allegory or somesuch.  Another thing is that when
drawing animals, the problem of ethnic backgrounds is something I don't have to
concern myself with.  Am I drawing all of my characters to be anglo-saxons? 
Most of my characters do stuff that is somewhat silly, so if I try to stick to
putting in every once in a while a character of a different ethnic background
and he happens to be in the cartoon as a not-so-serious character, would that
be taken the wrong way?  If I go the *other* direction and insure that all
occurrences of ethnic minorities will place them as the "serious" characters in
my political cartoons, then will somebody thing I'm going to far?  Okay, okay,
so I'm overreacting. I do that a lot.  =)  It's just another little thing in
that by drawing animal characters, it doesn't really matter as much.  I can't
really draw a "generic human".  For animals, just pick an animal I like to
draw, and that's that.

(Incidentally, most of my political cartoon characters *are* human, mainly
because most of the people involved in politics, to my knowledge, are not
furries.  =)  )
-- 
-Jordan            ..      PEACOCK5293@iscsvax.uni.edu
                  .OO.     Jordan Peacock (Jordan Greywolf)
                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
                   --                      Cedar Falls, IA  50613
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry,alt.tv.tiny-toon
Subject: How to get the MORTIMER Story
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:00:05 GMT
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From: cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu (Chris Siebenmann)
Subject: FurryMuck status
Followup-To: rec.games.mud.tiny
Organization: FurryMUCK Clueless Site Admin Benevolent Association
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:52:37 GMT

 Some information, relatively reliable:

 FurryMUCK lost its CMU machine some time last week (I no longer
remember exactly when; I believe Tuesday). The exact cause is
uncertain, but it seems that the machine is being physically moved and
renamed. Furry wizards had no notice of the move, for reasons which
remain uncertain.

 Luckily, a test server had been running here with a database from the
morning of September 27th. That server was dubbed the real server on
the spot, and cautionary messages posted about not building until the
wizards found out if a more recent database could be found (if one was,
any building on the old database wouldn't be carried forward). At the
moment, prospects for retrieving a more recent database don't look
good.

 The server has been running relatively steadily on the machine
hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu (128.100.102.51) port 8888 since then.  We've
had occasional bugs, including a problem where more than about 60
people connecting at once caused problems; that one in particular took
the MUD down for a couple of hours of grim troubleshooting late Tuesday
night. It should be 24hrs/day, 7days/week, although there may be a
pause between 00:00 and roughly 2am Saturday morning due to filesystem
backups (it depends on whether FurryMUCK makes a database save during
that period).

--
	"zsh has all the useful features of ksh, plus many of
	 the useless ones."		- Paul Falstad		
cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu	           ...!{utgpu,utzoo,watmath}!utgpu!cks
From: raboczi@elec.uq.oz.au (Simon Raboczi)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: The 'humanity' of furries
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:42:54 GMT
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland

fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:

>hepfox@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Peyton) writes:

>>The first is to make their
>>furry characters completely human in every way except for physical
>>appearance (of which Hepcats and Usagi Yojimbo are just two of many
>>examples).

>When an author does this, I often wonder why the author chose to place
>his characters in a furry universe.  Humans would have worked just as
>well...

One good reason to do this is for making a general statement about
human nature or society.  Fables in which animals are substituted for
people (la Fontaine, Aesop, Luther, Orwell, etc.) are the most obvious
example.  Not only does this sneak past whatever prejudices the reader
might have were real people used, but it makes the underlying truth of
the story independent of time and place.  Aesop is again a particular
case in point.  Because the function of the nonhuman characters in
these stories *is* to say something about human behavior, it seems
necessary that they should act substantially like humans.

Returning to Hepfox's initial question about how human we prefer our
furries:

The aspect which attracts me to the idea of anthropomorphs *is* their
differences from humans, particularly in the ways it shapes their
social behavior.  A simple conversation can be a fascinating thing if
the reader is presented with a whole suite of nonverbal, nonhuman
cues.  Humans use smiles and eyebrow movements; 'morphs have ear,
whisker and tail gestures to express themselves.  This contrast can
provide interest for the reader, whilst remaining easy to relate to
due to the reader's familiarity with real animals.  This familiarity
is an advantage furries have over realistic aliens.  Others have noted
this as an advantage mammals have over birds or reptiles, as well.

--
 ,-_|\  Simon Raboczi (raboczi@s1.elec.uq.oz.au)
/     * Department of Electrical Engineering
\_.--_/ University of Queensland, St Lucia
     v  Brisbane, Australia