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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Casion--Vote (really chicago and $$)
Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL
Distribution: chi
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:00:25 GMT

In article <930124948@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
...
>see above.  Where'd you get this percentage claim anyhow, pull it out of
>a hat?  Show me where these statistics come from, and maybe I'd believe it.
...
>let's not forget business.  I'd say that in like a 25 mile radius around
>the city, over 1/2 the tax is generated by sales/business in the city.
>There is just more selling and business going on in the city than in
>the burbs, so there is more tax revenue.  Now who has to provide the

Where'd you get this percentage claim anyhow, pull it out of a hat?  ...

>plowing and crap like I mentioned before so the stock broker can
>get to work downtown?  Yep.  The city.  If Chicago could get the same

If the downtown businesses indeed generate half the revenue in the
Chicago metropolitan area (which incidentally is much larger than a 25 mile
radius), then I guess the stock broker is paying for the snow plowing...

-- 
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From: jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (jim mcnicholas)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: Casion--Vote (really chicago and $$)
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:41:13 GMT
Reply-To: jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (jim mcnicholas)
Organization: Prime Time Productions Aurora, Illinois

kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki) writes:

> In article <930124948@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Gilib
> >3) You can't just
> >plop an antenna anywhere - the EPA would have a seizure.  You think
> >dangerous EMF comes off high voltage lines? Stand next to a 150,000 watt
> >transmitter and you'll get an E-burn you'll never forget.
> 
> 150,000 watts?  Not in the U.S.  50,000 is as high as it gets.
> In any event, the EPA has very little say in where an antenna
> gets placed.
        you are correct about the EPA but,        
        BUZZZZZTTT!! You lose alot of 100,000 watt stations in this country
        FM's all in the major metros, 50K is all they'll allow though!
         
> >In other words, the best location for an antenna at the
> >time the stations were set up was in Chicago, and for the most part
> >there weren't any suburbs to reach (except for like Aurora and a few
> >others that were around before Chicago).
        
        How long do you think radio has been around anyway?
         

> The suburbs have been around much longer than television and
> radio.  When television came along there was definitely a
> suburban audience to reach.  Chicago was chosen because it happens
> to be at the center of the circle.
> 
> >Now who has to provide the
> >plowing and crap like I mentioned before so the stock broker can
> >get to work downtown?  Yep.  The city.
> 
> Bzzt.  Guess again.  The majority of suburban commuters who work
> downtown come via the RTA which is subsidized by suburban tax money.
> Of those that don't, only a small percentage of time is spent on roads
> that fall under the jurisdiction of the city.  The Feds pay to plow the
> expressways and U.S. highways, the state for state roads, county for
> county roads, etc.

        No, flame here ken, just trying to keep the media part correct!


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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: Casion--Vote
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:37:05 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL

In article <9301209336@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
>Gene Rackow (rackow@skeeve.mcs.anl.gov) wrote:
>: Agreed, IF it wasn't for the fact that every time the people of the 312
>: area codes do something, they expect/demand funding from the people of the
>: 708, 815, and other areacodes of IL to bail them out.  The day that our
>: communities no longer subsidize the chicago machine will be the day we
>: can say let 312 decide.  Chicago gets alot more money from the state
>: compared to what they pay in compared to any{maybe almost any} other IL city.
>
>And Chicago pays more to the state than any other IL city.  It also provides
>the plowing, repairs, etc. that keep the airports you like to fly in and
>out of open,

Do you really believe that Chicago would have annexed O'Hare if they didn't
expect to turn a profit?

>the water supply that many suburbs drink from, not to mention

The city is shipping this water to the suburbs free, out of the goodness
of its heart?

>Hey, I'm all for seperatism.  Let Chicago not pay anything to the state
>in the form of taxes and the like, and we won't ask for any money from
>the state.  Then let the suburbs get their own airports, TV stations,
>business centers, etc.  

Thank you.  We already have them.

>The reason Chicago gets more money is two-fold: 1) it generates more money,

That makes sense.  Chicago generates more money, therefore it needs more
money....

>and 2) it has more services to support many of which non-Chicagoans take
>advantage of.  Next time a suburban company has a business client fly in,
>have him fly into Aurora or Milwaukee and commute from there and see how
>long he stays a client.

Considering that it's largely business that keep Aurora, DuPage, Pal-Waukee,
and Waukegan airports open and viable, I'd say they like it.

>Drink some water pumped out of your ground instead
>of water cleaned by Chicago's water department (which doesn't have a lead
>problem like most of the suburbs I might add).

I do, and we don't.  Last I heard, the Chicago building code still requires
lead supply pipes into buildings.  Or has that changed in the last 10 years?

>But I get it now.  You want a suburb of 40,000 to get as much money
>as a city of a couple of million.  Seems fair to me.

No, I want a city of a couple of million to be willing to invest as
great a percentage in itself as my town of 19,000.

-- 
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jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
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From: vandezande@inland.com
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: Why is the lake GREEN?
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:03:15 CST
Distribution: chi
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <1993Jan25.051002.15037@midway.uchicago.edu>, tes3@quads.uchicago.edu (Tim Scherer) writes:
>  
> Does anyone know why the lake is so green?  I first noticed this when I came
> back to school this fall, and in my previous two years in Chicago it was
> distinctly more blue-gray.  Is it a localized phenomenon?  I live in the
> vicinity of 51st St.  Microorganisms come to mind as a cause of the greenness,
> but I'm far from an expert on that sort of thing.
> Thanks for your ideas.
> 
> 
> Tim

	Calm yourself, Tim.  The lake appears green when the sky is cloudy,
blue when it is sunny.  This has just been a gloomy Autumn; not to worry.

								Joe V.
From: zoh1@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Rangers Lead The Way)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: for sale: The Sundays..
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:25:13 GMT
Reply-To: zoh1@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: chi.general
Organization: University of Chicago


i have four (4) tickets to see The Sundays at The Vic on Tuesday,
March 9, 7:30 pm.  they are general admission tickets @ $19.50 each. 
Luna 2 is opening for them.

contact 
jennifer
jbuck@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu
217-332-4439
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: ILLINOIS PRAIRIE PATH NEWS
Date: 20 Jan 93 20:11:44 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL

In article <1993Jan19.224222.18668@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> res@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Rich Strebendt) writes:
>Contrast this with the proposed route along the Prairie Path that
>would pass through areas that are now or can soon expect to be heavily
>populated, and that would involve the removal of a great deal of

"can soon expect to be"?  If there's going to be power lines, why
are "they" planning on building more houses?  Once the lines are up,
they won't have further impact on future residential development,
with the exception of eating into a developers profit margins a bit.
As someone who grew up in DuPage county, watching all the farms disappear,
I must admit this wouldn't disappoint me in the least.
-- 
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Newsgroups: chi.general
From: mandrews@portal.hq.videocart.com (Tony Scott)
Subject: Re: Streetwise newspaper
Organization: VideOcart Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:42:50 GMT

In article <C18J2G.KwK@ddsw1.mcs.com> barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>mike@spss.com (mike cornwall) wrote:
>:If you've been in the city recently you can't help but notice vendors
>:selling Streetwise, a newspaper published to help the homeless. I seem
>:to recall reading an article on Streetwise saying that out of the dollar
>:purchase price 25 cents goes to the publisher and 75 cents goes to the
>:vendor, a homeless person. That's fine and dandy, but I continualy see
>:"homeless" vendors with $200 gym shoes and leather coats - what gives?
>
>Well, I think you need to keep lookin.
>
>It's clear from profiles in the Chicago newspapers (as well as in
>StreetWise itself) that selling the newspaper is *not* having a null
>effect on all of the vendors.
>
>So now you are at this philosophical crossroad: Is knowing that even
>one homeless vendor may be spending his money unwisely (tho' you can't
>*confirm* he paid 200 clams for those shoes and that he *didn't*
>buy the coat second-hand) sufficiently compelling to keep your money
>in your pocket, or instead does it gnaw at your conscience that you
>are withholding one dollar from your neighborhood vendor, who is
>actually feeding his family with the money and even setting aside
>$200 a month from his sales (true story)?
>
>In other words, which makes you feel worse -- supporting the bum or 
>skinflinting the worthy?
>
>Aaron
>
>:
>:--
>:Mike Cornwall
>:mike@spss.com
>

Consider that most of us are only one or two paychecks away from 
being in the same shape as some of the homeless.

I don't suppose that upon losing a job a person could pawn his expensive 
shoes or sell them for a meal.

I've heard that >Streetwise< is doing a lot of good.  The homeless feel
proud to earn some money and are motivated to set sales records.



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From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Streetwise newspaper
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Organization: DarkTower Software
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:38:41 CST

mike cornwall (mike@spss.com) wrote:
: If you've been in the city recently you can't help but notice vendors
: selling Streetwise, a newspaper published to help the homeless. I seem
: to recall reading an article on Streetwise saying that out of the dollar
: purchase price 25 cents goes to the publisher and 75 cents goes to the
: vendor, a homeless person. That's fine and dandy, but I continualy see
: "homeless" vendors with $200 gym shoes and leather coats - what gives?

"Homeless" doesn't mean you can't afford clothes.  It means without
a home.  People do donate leather jackets and Air Jordans to shelters,
he could have gotten them there for all we know.

What would you rather see, a wino in tattered clothes?  There are homeless
who just can't find a job and can't afford rent, and those that are 
what most people would call "bums" - drunk all day and not caring.

If the guy who wants a chance to feed his family or is single and
saves 8 months to buy the $200 shoes is actually getting the money
from selling the paper, more power to him.  Hey, if he lived in 
a Mercedes I'd be happy for him.  Someone has given him a chance to
work instead of beg, and he's taking advantage of it.  You can't say
he's not trying.  It's a heck of a lot easier to buy 1 pair of $200
shoes than pay $500+ in rent every month.  No matter how many months
he works, he can eventually save up $200.  He just can't save $500
by the end of the month (plus everything else).

I've read the paper, and it's actually pretty good.  Almost like
the Reader.  They aren't selling junk, and they're trying to work
and get on their feet.

But, this is all speculation.  Why don't you ask the guy where he
got the shoes?  Tell him you want to buy a pair like those if you're
bashful.  Me, I'd just say "How'd ya get the $'s for those Air Jordans?"

-Louis

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From: kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki)
Subject: Re: Casion--Vote (really chicago and $$)
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Distribution: chi
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:18:20 GMT

In article <930124948@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
>3) You can't just
>plop an antenna anywhere - the EPA would have a seizure.  You think
>dangerous EMF comes off high voltage lines? Stand next to a 150,000 watt
>transmitter and you'll get an E-burn you'll never forget.

150,000 watts?  Not in the U.S.  50,000 is as high as it gets.
In any event, the EPA has very little say in where an antenna
gets placed.

>In other words, the best location for an antenna at the
>time the stations were set up was in Chicago, and for the most part
>there weren't any suburbs to reach (except for like Aurora and a few
>others that were around before Chicago).

The suburbs have been around much longer than television and
radio.  When television came along there was definitely a
suburban audience to reach.  Chicago was chosen because it happens
to be at the center of the circle.

>Now who has to provide the
>plowing and crap like I mentioned before so the stock broker can
>get to work downtown?  Yep.  The city.

Bzzt.  Guess again.  The majority of suburban commuters who work
downtown come via the RTA which is subsidized by suburban tax money.
Of those that don't, only a small percentage of time is spent on roads
that fall under the jurisdiction of the city.  The Feds pay to plow the
expressways and U.S. highways, the state for state roads, county for
county roads, etc.
-- 
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e-mail:kenk@sdc.com    -or-    ...!uunet!tellab5!sdc!kenk
"Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery"
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: malevit@tellabs.com (Jim Malevitis)
Subject: Chicago Auto Show
Organization: Tellabs, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:37:53 GMT

A day or two ago someone was asking for information on the 1993 Chicago
Auto Show.  Here is some information:

     What:  1993 Chicago Auto Show
     Where: McCormick Place, Chicago, Illinois
     When:  Saturday, February 6, 1993 thru Sunday, February 14, 1993
     Times: 11:00AM to 11:00PM Daily
     Cost:  Adults - $5.00
            Children Under 12 - $1.00
            Senior Citizens - $3.00

I hope this helps. For more info, call McCormick Place at (312) 791-7000.

Jim Malevitis
malevit@tellabs.com
From: schin@acs.bu.edu (neil schier)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Looking for Stanford '90 and Yale '90
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:43:47 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: schin@acs.bu.edu

Hello

I am looking for the recent whereabouts (the alumni orgs have been no help)
of two friends of mine. One of which graduated from Stanford, the other from
Yale. If you attended either school around 1990, would you kindly e-mail me


REgards
NEil Schier



Newsgroups: chi.general
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Streetwise newspaper
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:01:27 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

mike@spss.com (mike cornwall) wrote:
:If you've been in the city recently you can't help but notice vendors
:selling Streetwise, a newspaper published to help the homeless. I seem
:to recall reading an article on Streetwise saying that out of the dollar
:purchase price 25 cents goes to the publisher and 75 cents goes to the
:vendor, a homeless person. That's fine and dandy, but I continualy see
:"homeless" vendors with $200 gym shoes and leather coats - what gives?

Well, I think you need to keep lookin.

It's clear from profiles in the Chicago newspapers (as well as in
StreetWise itself) that selling the newspaper is *not* having a null
effect on all of the vendors.

So now you are at this philosophical crossroad: Is knowing that even
one homeless vendor may be spending his money unwisely (tho' you can't
*confirm* he paid 200 clams for those shoes and that he *didn't*
buy the coat second-hand) sufficiently compelling to keep your money
in your pocket, or instead does it gnaw at your conscience that you
are withholding one dollar from your neighborhood vendor, who is
actually feeding his family with the money and even setting aside
$200 a month from his sales (true story)?

In other words, which makes you feel worse -- supporting the bum or 
skinflinting the worthy?

Aaron

:
:--
:Mike Cornwall
:mike@spss.com


Newsgroups: chi.general
From: Cliff Chaput <chaput@ils.nwu.edu>
Subject: PATRONIZE Camille Paglia !
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A78C045A8702649B@chaput.ils.nwu.edu>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:20:26 GMT
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences, Northwestern University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17
Distribution: chi
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:02:47 GMT

In article <93025.133442U53644@uicvm.uic.edu> , U53644@uicvm.uic.edu
writes:
> For those who don't already know..................
[ stuff we don't already know deleted ]

Boycott Paglia?  You know how much she PAYS those projectionists?  Just
because she refuses to knuckle under to a bunch of unionized, overpaid...

...oops.  Wrong boycott.  (And wrong side, too!)
 
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From: res@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Rich Strebendt)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: ILLINOIS PRAIRIE PATH NEWS
Date: 20 Jan 93 23:25:31 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: AT&T

In article <1993Jan19.204406.17895@i88.isc.com>, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
> In article <1993Jan19.144722.9799@sdc.com> kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki) writes:
> >...  Granted it may not be fair to erect high
> >tension wires after a neighborhood has been established, but on the other
> >hand it wasn't any secret that the Prarie Path was a ComEd right of way
> >(acquired solely for the purpose for which ComEd now wants to use it)
> >if anyone had cared to look.  Caveat Emptor.
> 
> And, prior to being the Prairie Path, it was a commuter railroad, which
> greatly lessened the need for a car in DuPage County.
> 
> Come to think of it, it was an electric railroad, so there were already
> power lines there...

Not necessarily true!  I do not have my collection of slides from the
days of the CA&E here in my office to check on this, but it is quite
possible that third rail power supply was used (as is done today on
the CTA).  Even if there was overhead wire, though, the voltage on
that would have been in the 200-600vac range, not in the multi-kilovolt
range.

					Rich Strebendt
					...!att!ihlpb!res
					r.strebendt@att.com
From: uddenoud@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (David Denouden)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Help! Stuck in bordom cycle!
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:03:28 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

I'm tired of the usual and common.  Bars bore me, shows are sedate.  What
is there to do in Chicago either with or without a date that will pique my
interest.  Early evening and late night locations, destinations, and
activities are what I would go for most readily, but if it sounds really
fun - I'll make time!  Helf me break the bordom barrier!

Thanks in advance for any e-mail suggestions!

Dave

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