HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.fantasy
Keywords: fantasy RFD arts
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:05:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: daisy.1edm45INNngb
Organization: Dept. Elec. Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: daisy.ee.und.ac.za

In article <Bxty6p.40F@uunet.uu.net>,
pvanheus@frodo.cs.uct.ac.za (P A van Heusden) writes:
> rec.arts.fantasy

If it is needed at all (which I doubt), then it needs to be in the
rec.arts.sf.* hierarchy.

--apb (Alan Barrett)
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From: nadeau@bcarh1ab.bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: The "Discussion" over the r.m.s. vote (was Re: *)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:16:47 GMT

In article <1820@frackit.UUCP> dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe) writes:
>
>The 'noise' is being generated, at best, by 2 people who refuse to
>accept a validly held vote. Speak to them about it but don't expect any
>support for your views. They seem to be practicing a form of civil
>disobediance peculiar to Usenet. 

Nah, not unique to Usenet at all.  Consider, for example, the
parliamentarian tradition of a filibuster - a last-resort measure used
by those who know they cannot win .  .  .  Or attend any public meeting
- you are sure to find at least one person who believes making a lot of
noise proves him right.

The Rhealist - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
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From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: Is there a general fault-tolerance news group?
Keywords: fault tolerance
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:09:53 GMT

In article <lg5phmINNsu9@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford) writes:
> In article <1992Nov12.220751.22822@bnr.ca> momtahan@bnrca (Parham Momtahan) writes:
> > Can anyone tell me if there is a more general news group for
> > fault tolerant computing discussions? 

> At present there is no newsgroup in Usenet devoted to the discussion
> of fault tolerance.

In fact, at present there is no newsgroup in Usenet with any tolerance
whatsoever for faults. Bad puns and inane plays on words, for example. :->
-- 
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From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.fantasy
Keywords: fantasy RFD arts
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:34:42 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <Bxv4LD.1z6@apollo.hp.com> @apollo.HP.COM (Jennifer E. Levine) writes:

>It is all well and good to
>say "Last year we all decided to use SF to mean speculative fiction."
>But, I don't think it is obvious. I think of that hierarcy as Science
>Fiction. 

That's really silly. Once someone has said that the 'sf' in rec.arts.sf.*
is intended to mean all speculative fiction you should know better.

>There are people who like Fantasy and not Science fiction. They may
>not realize they are welcome in rec.arts.sf.*

That's too bad but there are better ways to deal with that. Creating more
confusion and a lot of cross-posting with a rec.arts.fantasy is a really
bad idea in my opinion.

>I see the difficulty in defining the difference. I have my own definition.

It is difficult as the two fields are hard to separate. Discussion in
rec.arts.sf.written is managable, I see no reason to divide it up with
any definition, bad or good.

-Geoff
--
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_____________________________________________________________________________
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From: aryeh@cash.ucsc.edu (Aryeh Friedman)
Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: Usenet Documentation Revision Project : Update (Phase Zero completed)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 07:50:47 GMT
Organization: WNC
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Nov18.073159.22494@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Furr) writes:
>>  Jim Huggins
>>  Peter da Silva
>>  Joshua Randall
>>  Chip Salzenberg
>>  Karleenus Schwartz
>>  Gordon Van Huizen
>
>Oh, shoot, throw me in.  I'd hate to miss out on something like this.

If only to keep peter in line ;-)  The rest are ok I guess.  Chip is a little
questinonable though ;-).
-- 
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1720 E. Monte Vista, Phoenix, AZ, 85006, USA  "I need the numbers now!!!!"-anon
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E-mail: aryeh@cash.ucsc.edu, aryeh@wnc.com and flames to liar@bush.whouse.gov
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From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.visual-basic
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:45:12 GMT

andre@king.slc.mentorg.com (Andre' Hut) writes:
: In article <Bxty6L.3zI@uunet.uu.net> doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell) writes:
: 
:    >Proposed newsgroup name: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.visual-basic
: 
: Way way too long of a name.
: 
Good point (that's the purpose of the RFD period).  An alternative name
would be comp.os.ms-windows.visual-basic, maybe ?
--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
doug@cc.ysu.edu	   doug@ysub.bitnet	<internet>!cc.ysu.edu!doug

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From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: Usenet Culture (Was: Re: CFV? What's a CFV??)
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:40:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.210934.3698@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
> 1. Less actual users of Usenet will be able to function well in it

Has always been the case.

> 2. There will be less understanding of one culture by the other

I don't believe in your two cultures. There are dozens of cultures in the
net already. Compare and contrast talk.bizzarre, alt.flame, rec.arts.sf,
and comp.dcom.telecom.

> 3. Disagreements regarding process will in general become more vocal

Probably so, particularly as background information continues to disappear
from the documentation.

> 4. The 'will of the net' will come to mean 'the will of the creators'

No, the will of the net will remain "the will of the people running the
best-connected sites".

> 5. Each group will likely feel intimidated, persecuted or simply annoyed  
> by the other

Well, most of us are annoyed at talk.bizzarre now and then.
-- 
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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: rec.sport.soccer.referee
Organization: Xanth Watch
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 13:08:07 GMT

cjones@dbaccess.com (Carl Jones) writes:

>So what are the issues, other than that 
>enough people would like the forum created
>for their use?

One issue is that the amount of referee traffic has been very low,
too low to warrant a new group.
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen        |  I survived the rec.arts.sf-lovers split
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk   | 
Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: swami1@troy.cc.bellcore.com (swaminathan,kashi r)
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:20:04 GMT

>a newsgroup defining themselves as a Muslim sect.  By objecting to the
>newsgroup, you object to the classification of them as Muslims.  However,
>we have no right to do that.
>
>Yasmin
>

I am a Hindu and I have no objection to Ahmedia's calling themselves
Islam. For that matter, I have no objection if you want to call
yourself a Hindu.

I am sure just like me all the Hindus will vote YES for the group.
Rememeber, they are far greater in number than the sunnis who want
to vote NO!
From: randall-joshua@yale.edu (Joshua Randall)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Newsgroups Affected by Votes (Was: Standard RFD/CFV Format)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:18:14 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu
Keywords: RFD CFV formats guidelines votes

In article <1992Nov18.194214.42754@watson.ibm.com> strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes:

[deletion]

>In the case of splitting misc.forsale.computers,
>if it really was split, then anyone posting to mfc
>will quickly discover their error because they
>will never see the posting show up, because their
>group is gone.

You ignored what I said:  the group is *not* gone.  It still exists.
Posts still show up if you send them to misc.forsale.computers.  But
that group has been replaced by m.f.c.other.  The same thing will
happen with every "split".  Unless, of course, someone comes up with a
way to force all site admins to destroy a group.

-- 
Joshua E. Randall                       randall-joshua@yale.edu
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: About the elitism in news.groups
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:22:50 GMT
Organization: negligable

In article <1992Nov13.181409.987@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
>Unfortunately you have to fight fire with fire. :/

Have you tried water?  CO2?  Baking soda?  Sand?

There's more than one way to skin a cat....		;)

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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:26:40 GMT

In article <7873@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)  
writes:
> The many messages posted on this subject (and not just with this subject  
line)
> can be broken down into Dave Hayes and Gordon Van Huizen against the  
world.
> The rest of us - including some highly respected news admins - have been
> trying to convince Dave not to break the group.
> 
This isn't true. Dave and I have been the most vocal but there have been a  
number of other people that have agreed with things we have said and  
argued similar positions. Some are even news admins altough I'm guessing  
that their disagreement with your position removes them from your list of  
"highly respected news admins". Don't attempt to whitewash this please.
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From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Re: Documentation Ideas (was Re: Intentional ignorance...)
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: HMC Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:20:03 GMT

Quick comment to Karleenus: I had similar ideas about creating a simpler
"Voter's Guide" to accompany the "Proposer's Guide", but am waiting until I
have time to read through the existing documentation to make any specific
proposals about restructuring the "library", as it were. One general
question to consider is whether we're better off with a bunch of short
documents or a few longer ones; I don't really know which people would be
more likely to read. Comments are invited, though I doubt there'll be any
consensus here (but if there is, heck, I'll go with it).
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why
several of us died of tuberculosis." -Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts
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From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: CFV? What's a CFV??
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:16:52 GMT

karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
>If you find a way to eliminate ignorance and bozodom, please
>tell us about it.  

One way is to try and appeal to those who (by the very label) claim a 
higher awareness, and ask them for tolerance. 

But that's not working.
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

   The word 'choice' is a fraud 
         while people choose only what they have been taught about to choose.
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From: thornley@milli.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Subject: Re: Rebuttle to Millerl's request I leave (nothing to do with .campaign)
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:40:09 GMT

In article <BxqzGy.FDr@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> cbnorman@cayley.uwaterloo.ca () writes:
>>Once again, Bruce.
>>
>>Only the relevant sections this time.
>
>>| You have completely ignored everything I listed as the topics which would
>>| be acceptable for posting in Rec.games.frp.campaign.  These include the 
>>following.
>>|
>>|   - FAQ (including many things NOT on the rec.games.frp.archives FAQ)
>>|   - Campaign moves (these are posted currently in rec.games.frp.archive
>>|     by some people.  How many might I ask? Are there eight or more 
>>campaigns
>>|     going on in rec.games.frp.archive?)
>>|   - GM Move updates.  Certainly haven't seen any of these.
>>|   - Player Responses to Moves.  Nada yet again.
>>|   - Discussion of Campaigns.  Once again, no.
>
>>Now does that or does that not look like you said that those topics *would* 
>>be in your pet newsgroup and are not currently served in rgf.*? YES? NO?
>
>No it doesn't.  All it says is that the topics would be in .campaign.  It
>does not say they are not currently in other .frp groups.
>
Sigh.  "Certainly haven't seen any of these."  "Nada yet again." "Once again,
no.".  Obviously, then, you said that these *are* in other .frp groups,
and I have clumsily misread your affirmative statements.

>I wish you people would make up your minds.  Half of you say "there is no
>interested in talking about that stuff" and the others say "we don't need
>a new group, we're already talking about it here here and here".
>
Half the stuff doesn't belong on the net and the other half is already there.
You're looking at the split wrong, that's all.

>>Now that you have returned the status of your pet group to unmoderated it 
>>will be impossible to enforce any "quality" requirements on the newsgroup, 
>>and it will thus be full of all sorts of player moves, not even just the 
>>"worthy" ones.
>
>Good thing there aren't any quality requrements then eh?
>
>As for the player moves, I hope that if the rules are clearly stated (even
>an unmoderated group can have rules, there just can't be any moderator 
>enforcement of them), that people will follow them.  I hope the gain in 
>conversation will outway the loss in noise. 
>
Dream on.

DHT


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From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: Would you ALL like a demonstration? (was Re: Dave Hayes may be right)
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:54:58 GMT

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>>>a message of this form...that you should read it or risk losing your 
>>>>group name", that's deception?
>>>Yes.  About on the same level as pulling a malicious fire alarm.
>>I dunno. No one would be hurt or killed in the stampede. 
>(a) The context of the net, Dave.  For God's sake.  Keep it in
>context.

Well YOU didn't keep it there...;-)

>(b) The issue was deception.  The act you propose is one of willful
>deception, designed solely to send people into a screaming panic.

I wouldn't do exactly that. My thought was to bring a LARGE consensus of
the net to the attention of the admins. I'd have to word the thing
carefully, of course. 

>Like pulling a fire alarm as a prank.

More like appearing on the 6 o'clock news.
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

Don't teach the blind until you have practiced living with closed eyes
From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: sci.solid-state.electronics
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:10:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Babak Sehari (sehari@iastate.edu) wrote:
: ---
: Well, we can not wast too much time on this; what about:
: sci.electronics.micro-elec
: This should do it. Frankly, who cares about the name?!

You have to make the name explanatory enough that a net.novice
can get a reasonable idea about what goes on there.

If you want to talk about all the stuff involved in the design and 
manufacture of integrated circuits and other devices, I'd recommend

sci.physics.semiconductor

Mark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: About the elitism in news.groups
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:51:30 GMT
Organization: negligable

In article <1992Nov14.181602.1257@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
>In article <H.ea.JXyxiXOgBaM@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca> jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca  
>(John Henders) writes:
>> In <1992Nov12.163353.10439@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van  
>Huizen) writes:
>> >In article <1dsba6INNq1b@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> randall-joshua@yale.edu  
>> >(Joshua Randall) writes:
>> 
>> >> I don't
>> >> jump into groups and start asking questions, I read them for at least
>> >> a month to see if there is a FAQ or something like one.  And I check
>> >> pit-maganer.mit.edu for possible info.
>> 
>> >> If everyone would do as I do, the net would run much more smoothly.
>> 
>> >Agreed - but people would miss votes that affect them. 
>> 
>> 	Just where did this leap in reasoning come from? If people made  
>the
>> efforts described above, there's no way they'd miss votes that affect
>> them. 
>> 
>Read carefully - it took him a period of time to understand the process.  
>What if the vote came up in the meantime?

Read very carefully.  He does this before asking questions, not 
before voting.

[... stuff deleted ...]

>So there is an analogy between becoming a doctor and being a valid member  
>of the Usenet voting community? 

No.  But I am not the one that put forward that particular bit :)

>Interesting. So therefore in your eyes not  
>everyone is *really* entitled to vote? 

Yes.  In particular I think all the ads just before elections saying
"get out and vote" on MTV and such are doing everyone a disservice.
If they said "get out, study the issues, and vote" then I would not
have a problem with them.  If you vote without an understanding of
what you are voting on, you are doing WORSE than not voting, you
are screwing up the formation of a consensus between INFORMED people
(both pro and con) and turning what should be a rational process
for reaching community decisions into an essentially random process.

Of course the issues of whether a group should be renamed or not
are a little simpler to understand than whether or not you want
to get the snack tax repealed (or are they?)  But there ARE arguments
on both sides and you owe it to everyone to be familiar with both
sides before making a decision.

"Hey! They want to screw us over, let's not let 'em!" isn't enough,
maybe they don't want to screw you over, maybe they just want to
make the hierarchy a little easier to understand....  Once you know
this, if you *still* think your being screwed over, vote no.

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From: jan@bagend.uucp (Jan Isley)
Subject: Re: RFD: Should rec.music.makers.synth stand as a group name?
Organization: This space for rent.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:37:51 GMT

Okay, Dave, you responded to my cute repartee with some of your own,
but you left out the good stuff.  Just in case they got lost in
transit, here they are again.  I said:

   If Mr Hayes wants to create a newsgroup, he should follow the
   guidelines by writing and posting a legitimate RFD.

   If Mr Hayes wants to change the guidelines, he should propose
   *specific* changes in news.admin.policy.

   Until Mr Hayes has done one or both of these things, he has no
   legitimate beef in news.groups.

I submit that your so-called RFD is not legitimate.
It is a hostile and deliberate violation of the guidelines.

You cannot expect the cooperation and support of any position
while clearly demonstrating that you have no intention of working
with the system.

You have challenged the letter and spirit of the guidelines.
If you think the guidelines are not fair or complete or whatever,
quite complaining about it and propose new ones.

Put up or shut up.
-- 
If you run a news system you can be  ||  Jan Isley
a petty tyrant.  - Edward Vielmetti  ||  jan@bagend.uucp (404)434-1335
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From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: Discussion: Rewriting the newsgroup creation rules--drastically
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:19:49 GMT

Actually, any attempt to measure group success by broad readership is
far less prone to "spoiler" effects.  You can't get enough people
together to "all go and read other groups so that xxx group loses" or
to create enough groups in competition.

As some will know, I proposed and even got passed a similar scheme to all
this a year ago.  But then I moved, my business picked up a lot, I stopped
reading news.groups and decided to get a life, and I left the scheme in
limbo, for which I apologize.

If some other longtime netter (There are fewer than a dozen people from
my early days on the net who are still truly active on it, it seems, so
I think I can qualify for that appelation) wants to take up the trial
scheme, my SMTP port is open.
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
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From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: Give up, Dave, you've lost!
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:33:43 GMT

jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>Those of us that believe the proposal was "bad" are going to immediately
>>disregard your points, because we have just seen a "bad" example that
>>didn't get shot down during the RFD stage or voted down.
>YOU had the power to shoot it down during the discussion phase. 

What good does that do him now? In fact, why even mention it? Are you
trying to say that he SHOULD believe that the proposal was good just
because he didn't discuss it during your period? 

>Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
>jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.

You're right. I shouldn't think of you as hateful.
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
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           Complete possession is proved only by giving
             All you are unable to give posseses you