From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Alabama better than Michigan
Date: 4 Nov 92 22:48:16 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <BILLMS.92Nov4130828@dip.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Nov04.145017.39699@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>   In article <vanepps-041192042124@aha260.ccs.itd.umich.edu> vanepps@engin.umich.edu (Daniel Van Epps) writes:
>   >In article <wexjRmS00iUyE6AJJM@andrew.cmu.edu>, William Karamo Motley
>   ><wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>   >> 
>   >> BAMA BAMA BAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>   >
>   >get real, play somebody.  when you've had as many injuries as us
>   >& still go undefeated please let us know. or do we have to meet you
>   >in another bowl game like last time?
>
>
>   ????  "play somebody" ????   Are you sure you are a Michigan fan? Or are
>   you really a Miami/Washington fan in Michigan??   Though Michigan is 
>   undefeated, let's put it Bama's way.. "When you play eight games and 
>   win them all, then we will talk...".   Michigan is the last team in the
>   nation to talk about "play somebody".  
>
>Dave, 
>	There's a problem here.  You keep bringing up the sticks and stones
>argument: michigan fans shouldn't bitch about alabama's competition because
>michigan hasn't played anybody either.  Most people on the net who are
>michigan fans (not all from umich are, see our friend chang) have agreed with
>you all along.  A says: "my team should be #1 and its a crock
>that we are behind michigan".  M says: "give me a break, you
>haven't played anybody".  D says: "give me a break, neither has michigan". 
>
>M's comment is true independent of wether it can also be applied to M's team.
>You haven't refuted M's point.  If you think somebody, e.g. Daniel, is being
>hypocritical please show us where he stood up and claimed michigan has played
>a tough schedule.
>

It isn't the fact concerning whether M's comment is true or not that was 
being addressed, but rather, the "get real, play somebody.  when you've
had as many injuries as us & still go undefeated pleast let us know".  
I am neither an Alabama fan, nor a Michigan fan.  I do not dislike either
team (though, being from Purdue, I had to like last weeks game :-) )..  And
though I don't agree with the senseless, mindless woofing the net gets from
people like Mr. Motley, I don't agree with the attitude displayed by 
Mr. Van Epps either.  The "holier-than-though" attitude, if you well.  
If someone wants to put down Alabama's schedule, that is easy to do.  If 
someone want's to put it down as an inferior schedule, or woof that there 
team is somehow superior ('injuries yet still undefeated...') with 
misleading information (acting as if their team has something to say, and
using the teams weak point as an arguing tool.. that is, if someone wants to
argue that Michigan is a #1 team, and wants to look at their stats and 
performances, that is fine.  However, if someone is goofy enough to act
superior, and bring up schedule strength as an arguing tool, well... I just
had to put my two cents worth...

So, anyway, though Daniel didn't state that Michigan has played a tough 
schedule, he criticizes a team for it's lack of schedule, and places them
under his team because of it, seemingly forgetting the complete lack of 
competition Michigan has faced as well.  
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