From: zyou@phakt.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Two important points
Date: 28 Sep 1992 10:21:32 -0700
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In article <1992Sep28.141902.10164@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>     You give absolutely no evidence (here or later in your message) that
>the two situations are different. Your proclaiming it is not evidence. And
>you have no "statistics". The absence of a statistic (eg, the number of
>Chinese who returned home permanently and were not persecuted) does not
>constitute proof of anything.
>
>>

  Let's take a look at how much difference between "short term visit" and
"permenant return"
  (1) you are not making long term daily contact with CCP political 
      structure during "short term visit", "permenant return" IS.
      This is the source of potential political danger. Recall what
      I mentioned in previous message, you have to keep SILENT to 
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      SURVIVE in Communist China, which means you have to shut up
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      even before the most outrageous lier in the world. While some
      returning CSS may tolerate that, but most will not after some point.

      Being forced silent itself is political proscetution.
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      There are plenty of evidence to support that. I just list a couple
      of them.
      (a) My parents and relatives always tell me "Don't speak out"
          I believe that is many CSS parent's advice. 
      (b) Returning CSS dare not to talk openly the truth about West.
          That is my personal experience.
          - My office mate in China is a returning CSS from Princeton.
             We were quite close, but she never spoke much about US.
          - Our director, my nextdoor office, is also a returning CSS 
            from France, he never talked about his personal experience 
            in France, even to his graduate student. He only said France
            has "Red Light area"(Hooker)
          - My advisor who have been to Japan for one month never talked
            about Japan. "Japan is very clean", he only said that.

        PS. I was & am politically inactive, friendly, able to keep silent.
             The above facts shall not be attributed to their untrust of me.
      (c) More recently, a young man in Shanghai was arrested for his
          intention to orgnize a campaign to ask apology from Japan.
          He was silenced.
      (d) Shen Tong serves another example.

  The above facts cover the whole spectrum of Chinese in PRC, it is enough
to demonstrate the existence of ongoing political forcing for silence against
people's own will.

  (2) "Permentant return" puts your life under the full control of CCP,
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       While the "short term visit" does not.

  (3) "Permentant return" will force you to give up your value system,
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       your sense of justce, your belief of freedom, your belief of 
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       democracy, your belief of human rights. That is the most
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       outrageous political proscetution!

       While "short term visit"  does not.
        

  (4) The risk of political prosecution will increase as time goes by.
      You will expose your political view in one way or another. Some people
      just cann't keep silent too long or too silent.

  Enough to distinguish the two?

Now let's take a look at the "statistics"

   The statistics of 'permenant return' is NOT representive of CURRENT
CSS.
 (1) Very few CSS retruned permenantly since June 4th The fate of such
 a handful people does not explain anything.
 (2) The political value of those returned  does not represent that of
    most CSS
    Here is an example of a returnee. XX returned three months after
    June 4th. His parents are high ranking millitary official (general).
    People's Daily praised highly of his return. He is now middle ranking
    millitary official. His wife told me he is a die hard CCP
 
Z. You

>> Further protection of Chinese nationals in US is really needed. There should
>>be no doubt on that. It is still unsafe for CSS to return permenantly.
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>>The statistics will show very few of CSS who stayed here longer than two or
>>three years returned permenantly.   However, the statistics might show it
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>>is safe to pay a short term home visit, and it only shows that, any 
>>
>>generalization or analogy will turn out invalid.
>>
>>
>>
>>Z. You


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