From: wansari@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waheed A Ansari)
Subject: Re: inoffensive INL change
Organization: The Ohio State University, Geological Sciences Computing Lab.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:00:29 GMT

In article <Bt4IBD.JCq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ahabig@bigbang.astro.indiana.edu (Alec Habig) writes:
>In article <QeXh6mq00Vp_Eoe25f@andrew.cmu.edu> tw1r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Timothy C. Worsley) writes:
>>
>>	I would like to suggest that the INL change its name to the
>>INTERNATIONAL NETREK LEAGUE.  This would not only suggest that people
>>other than collage students play, but also encourage play from abroad.
>>
>>ZZnew guy
>
>The name change might be cool, but play from abroad is nigh on impossible in an
>INL type setting.  I'm in Italy now for an extended stay, and while I would
>very much like to join in the INL fun, here's why it wouldn't work -
>
>1) Time zones.  I'm 6 hours offset from EST.  A game starting at 8pm EST (a
>common time, it seems) would start at 2:00 am for me.  It'd be even worse for
>the Aussies out there.
>
>2) Lag.  I get ~600-900ms average ping times (for 1000 byte chunks) to CMU 
>servers.

>	Entropy

My ping stats from geo1s to riscgs1.lngs.infn.it are 560/629/3400 (7% loss).
These are indeed not very good stats, and I imagine INL level play would be
practically impossible from there.  However, there are plenty of sites
outside of the contiguous US that are far better off.  Compare especially
my stats for bezier (California) with those for legend (France) and
iacrs2 (Switzerland).

          Fri_00:00  8/14  Fri_07:00  8/14  Fri_12:00  8/14  Fri_15:00 8/14/92
bezier    170/218/670 (5)  170/175/230 (30) 170/186/230 (18) 170/212/390 (17)
bham.*.uk 340/395/520 (0)  350/527/740 (12) 360/557/760 (18) 340/370/500 (5)
legend*fr 330/354/1490 (4) # 330/378/630 (2)    **     (100) % 330/341/450 (9)
iacrs2*ch 290/315/590 (10) 290/318/840 (3)  300/336/650 (2)  290/319/510 (6)

          Fri_19:45  8/14  Fri_23:15  8/14  Sat_12:00  8/15  Mon_18:05 8/17/92
bezier    170/202/460 (12) 170/189/320 (31) 170/177/230 (10) 180/318/840 (29)
bham.*.uk 340/355/420 (0)  340/355/530 (2)  340/454/750 (4)  340/355/440 (7)
legend*fr 330/338/560 (1)  330/343/1240 (6) 330/334/400 (0)  330/367/1400 (1)
iacrs2*ch 280/296/660 (0)  280/295/490 (1)  280/293/620 (0)  280/308/930 (2)

# Tue_07:25 8/11/92 : legend.cma.fr down on Fri_07:00, 8/14/92.
** See Sat_12:00 8/15/92 : legend.cma.fr down on Fri_12:00, 8/14/92.
% Sat_15:00 8/15/92 : legend.cma.fr down on Fri_15:00, 8/14/92.
The numbers in parentheses are packet loss percentages.


Clearly, the coast-to-coast and transatlantic lags are not so different.
The question remaining is: will the network be able to support games
with a whole team on the other side of the Atlantic?  I dont know; there
is only one way to find out.  In any case, it is quite possible to have
European players in at-large teams on an individual basis.  As for the
time difference, some of us dont have a life.  Those European players
who are willing to play in the INL should not be denied the opportunity.
I'm all for the "INTERNATIONAL Netrek League" name change; besides,
Canadian players are already involved in the [S]INL.

I myself play on legend.cma.fr around 7 a.m. EDT on weekday mornings when
I happen to be in the lab, and I'm sure the lag from Italy to legend would
be tolerable as well.  I sometimes see French players (some of whose names
I have become familiar with) on stateside servers also.  Not to forget the
people up north.

Waheed
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/etc/ping deakin.anu.edu.au 1000 10               [Mon Aug 17 22:46 EDT 1992]
round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 720/818/1020 (0% packet loss)
PHBRRRTT!  I think I'll stay this side of the Pacific for now.
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