From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: "democratic" Estonia
Date: 10 Sep 1992 14:36:17 -0400
Organization: Berkeley Software Design
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <1992Sep10.052858.14427@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>: 
>: Yuck. Russians ARE a majority in Kazakhstan. The poor guy did not
>: his homework.
>
>According to the Information sheet of Finnish - Russian Chambre of
>Commerce the largest ethnic group are the kazahks in Kazakhstan along
>1989 cencus.

By 1%? Half of a population cannot be "minority". Moreover, Russian
population in Kazakhstan is mostly urban and therefore has much higher
voting participating (it's a known phenomenon that urban population
is more politically active). Last elections if i remember correctly
featured 65% of ballots casted by Russians (it's an estimation, don't
worry, nobody marks ballots with his nationality).

BTW, the census also showed some 5% of other Slavic nationals which
clearly share views on ethnic policy with Russians.

>This bulletin  I have got couple days ago.
>So Martti Valkonen, the reporter of Helsingin Sanomat is quite
>obviously right and Vadim wrong.

Mindless use of meaningless figures can show even more wonderful
conclusions. There are lies, terrible lies and statistics.

I don't care to investigate from which dumpster your journalist
got his "facts" from. There is much more simplier explanation why
the Russian government do not accuse Caucasian and Cantral Asian
republics in violations of rights of Russians -- simply because 
they do not violate those rights. Got it?

>Vadim is  probably a "product " of a closed society, communism.

You're obviously a product of a misconducted abort. Unlike you 
i have my own brain.

>As an example I mention following you cannot get swiss citizenship
> without passing a language
>test and it is very difficult. In Finland you have to pass a language
>test in a spoken Finnish, the certificate can be obtained from the legalized
>Finnish
>teachers in Finland. Quite decent demands, how you can cope in a society
>if you do not understand the language at all. And how you can apply
>citizenship of a state which language you do not want to learn. Quite
>logical.

There is a big difference between accepting immigrants and expelling
long-time-ago settled residents. And i'm not of a very high opinion
of European "democracy". It has wonderful traditions of Nazism and
Social Democracy (aka proto-communism). Not to mention the wonderful
xenophoby so typical in Europe.

>Uzbekistan,Estonia etc. are just following a common european praxis.

Estonia cheerfully picked all the shit from the European policy and
now competes with Iraq in the field of the most respectful treating
its own population.

>Vadim have no idea about that?

I have an idea what does totalitarism mean.

>Vadim? and his mother country has been closed from the rest of the world
>so long time...

Yep. I do not read tabloids and do not fear to have my own opinions.

>that a lot of information is needed before they reach the
>rest of Europe in these kind things as in many others too.

We're not discussing the life in Europe, right? If you're unable to
understand that i (being a Russian citizen) know much more about what
the life in ex-SU is than any Finnish journalist then you're simply
can't tell black from white.

>Otherwise I cannot understand this total lack of basic information they seem
>to miss.

I can understand the total lack of logic and inpenetrable self-sufficiency
of Mr. Jarmo. He is not the first cretin i met in my life.

--vadim