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From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Re: Accident on a Bike/Ped P
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:34:20 GMT

In article <713752526.F00001@urchin.fidonet.org> Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber) writes:
>
> On 08-11-92 david holliday wrote to All... 
> 
> dh> Last Wednesday, on our way out of town for our training ride  
> dh> (race :-), our group was using a bike path. We had a fairly  
> dh> large group, perhaps 25-30 riders. The bike path that we use  
> ....
>
> dh> lady on the ground bleeding profusely from her mouth/face (she did have 
> 
> Just another good example of why you should reserve "bike paths" for 
> dogs and inexperienced riders. I would never try to take a group of 
> 25-30 riders down a bike path. It just isn't safe. There's no room 
> to maneuver. Public highways are much safer. 

I'm not trying to start a flame fest, but I know of a _couple_ of places that
using the bike route (there really dirt roads at best) is safer. There are some
roads where I prefer to ride rather that a bike path.

NJC
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mhotchin@microsoft.com (Michael Hotchin)
Subject: Hybrid Recommendations?
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:16:17 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: na

Hello there.  I'm in the market for a new bicycle, and I'm looking for any
recommendations (either pro or con).  The type of bike I want is a 
'top of the line' hybrid - basically, as good as I can get (within reason -
say under $2000).  Since I don't have a car, getting to a whole bunch of
bike shops is difficult, so I'd like ideas on brands to look at, and the
approximate price range, components, add-ons features, etc ad nauseum.
Information on framesets is also welcome.  Please send any info you might
have to

	mhotchin@microsoft.com

and I will summarize if there is any interest.

FYI, I'm male, 24, 125lb 5'4".  I plan on this being my 'main' transport for
the next few years, for commuting, road and trail riding.  I already have
a mountain bike for the off-road stuff.


	Mike Hotchin
	mhotchin@microsoft.com

Speaking just for myself (one of my many talents).

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ott.general
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Paths
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 17:59:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <rwm.713641528@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca> rwm@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca (Russell McOrmond) writes:
>
>  What I would love to see is a tax insentive for people who use
>non-gas based modes of transportation (Such as Cycling) so that the
>"Joy Riders" who have no real reason for being on the road won't be
>destroying our environment with their odd form of recreation.
>
Since this is a very good idea that uses positive pressures instead
of the punishments being arrayed here, I'm sure that such a thing
would never see the light of day.
From: jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Helmet laws reduce cycling in Oz
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:46:02 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

A report in _Australian Cyclist_ says that statistics from the
Roads and Traffic Authority in April 1992 show that cycling
has declined by 14% among adults and 36% among children
following the introduction of helmet laws in Victoria and New
South Wales in 1991. Preliminary evidence in November 1991
indicated a downturn, but it was too soon to say if this was a
trend. 

The article remarks that "serious cycling friends" continued
to ride, but that the effect of the helmet laws was
"devastating among casual riders", from which cycling groups
hope to gain recruits.

The figures indicate a 50% decrease in cycling deaths
following the introduction of helmet laws, but that
statistical fluctuations could account for the drop from 20 to
10 deaths in the small sample. It should be noted that the
death rate among all road users is down, including a 33% drop
in deaths among pedestrians, who do not typically wear
helmets. The most likely reason, according to the article, is
that economic conditions have reduced the amount of driving,
according to the article. [Perhaps that indicates the best way
to reduce cycling deaths! Not to mention automobile and
pedestrian deaths.]

The main justification for helmet laws is the reduction of the
severity of head injuries and the consequent saving on public
health care costs (which would be absorbed by the community at
large no matter how health care is financed, as long as care
is not denied for financial reasons, which would be medically
unethical). The article claims that the loss of savings from
improved fitness and health resulting from cycling outweigh
the savings resulting from the helmet laws. [I would like to
see this justified quantitatively.]

[I wear a helmet myself. My bike is my main means of
transportation, and I use it almost exclusively for commuting
and shopping. I find the helmet causes overheating when I stop
at traffic signals, but I consider this a small cost for the
added protection. Furthermore, wearing a helmet is likely to
encourage children, amongst whom the death rate is
proportionally highest, to wear helmets. The main nuisance for
me from diligently wearing a helmet is that I keep checking
for my helmet when I go for a walk or get on the tram! At
least it is better than checking to see if my seat belt is
fastened :-)]
-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Road Tires
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 01:00:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

If it'a any consulation I have said before that there are
valid reasons why I use Continental Grand Prix's:

I have gotten excellent flat prtection from them. I generally
go 2,500 miles on a set before they begin to have flats. I'm
a fairly careful rider and watch where my whel is going so it
takes small stuff to give me flats and the Conti is strong.

I use the steel bead version. It slips on and off of my aero
rims (Campi and Matrix) without tools. I like this feature that 
is missing from many tires. Try that with a Michellin HD.

The Continental uses natural rubber over a nylon casing that
has a nice feel to it. Anyone that rides one and then immediately
tries the Michellin will tell the difference. It doesn't require
laboratory instrumentation.

Although Jobst claims that tread decreases the traction of a tire
and the Continental Grand Prix is a treaded tire, I would like
to see some real figures between the slicks and the Conti. I simply
don't believe that it has significantly less traction. But maybe
Jobst really meant that _file_tread_ was worse than slicks. I 
would probably agree with that.
From: wangj@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bicycle mail-order stores, any clue?
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:02:29 EDT

Hi, there!
I am new to this news group and new to mountain bikes.  I am going to purchase
my first mountain bike.  I bought one of my cameras through mail order, so, the
question is that, is there any bike mail order store around, both for bikes and
components?  
Thanks in advance if you have any leads to the question.  
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Subject: Re: Accident on a Bike/Ped Path
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:59:53 GMT

Bob Geer writes

> From my own experience, looking back to the left causes
> a swerve to the left, looking back to the right causes
> a swerve to the right.  I thought I had a real unique
> problem 'til I watched a lot of other riders do exactly
> the same thing, some worse than others.

*Everyone* should learn how to turn their head to look
and ride straight.  It's one of the most important skills
for safe riding.  It should be practiced frequently and
whenever safe and practical to do so.

One cannot safely merge into traffic and move over to
the proper lane without this skill.  A rearview mirror
*helps* - but *is no substitute*!

Scott Byer                                   NeXTMail: byer@adobe.com
Adobe Systems Incorporated               These are *my* opinions, and  
1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
Mountain View, CA 94039-7900             the opinions of my employer.
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From: ag@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (andy garton)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:44:13 GMT
Subject: Uni-Discs?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

Haanybody had any experience of 'Uni-Discs'??

Do they work?  How easy are they to fit?  Are they easily damaged?

Thanks in advance...

Andy
From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: TECH:LASER welded frames
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:21:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Aug21.002137.17116
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

>Groenke <kevin@ssc.space.umn.edu> writes:
>>[What about using a laser for welding?]

tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402):
>[Some problems w/ laser welding.]

Here's a thumbnail report on another theoretically better technology:

Gary Helfrich, started Merlin Metalworks and has built many
titanium-frame bicycles.  He investigated using a plasma welder for the
task.  It focuses the heat better than a normal torch and allows faster
welding, so there's potentially less damage to the metal near the weld
than with conventional welding.

I haven't talked to Gary in person, but I've heard indirectly that he
liked the weld quality, but gave up on it ulitimately because the
welding tips cost some hundreds of dollars apiece, only last a dozen
frames at best, and are brittle/fragile enough that they frequently
break before they've used up their theoretical lifetime.

		;-D on  ( Welding ed. )  Pardo
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Dual pivot calipers (?)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 05:28:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <92231.161336ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

(discussion about dual pivot brakes)
>
>They are a design (on its second go-round with Shimano written on
>them (and who knows how many times before under other names)) that seems
>to combine the worst of side pull and center pull design, sacrificing
>only simplicity in the process. I see no reason to prefer them to good
>cantilevers.

How about because they are twice as powerful, need only a finger to
actuate and are much easier to adjust?

Hey, if you prefer cantilevers, fine. But those dual pivots are the
finest brakes I've used by a large margin. 

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Chain Cleaners
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:55:23 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendle.think.com

In article <16190389@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, gmh@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (GregHughes)writes:> 
|> I bought the finish line version.  The citrus-based degreaser is the best part
|> of the bargain.  It is powerful (bad on jockey wheels I hear) and leaves
|> your hands smelling like you ate an orange rather than like you just rebuilt 
|> your car.
|> 
|> It is way too expensive though, about $10 a pint.
|> 
|> Greg Hughes.

I just finished cleaning my drivetrain (manually - off the bike) with the
Finish Line citris degreaser.  It worked GREAT.  I did use it on my derailler
(sp?) pulleys and it didnt seem to have any ill effect.  It cleaned everything
incredibly well.  I used the Finish Line lube on the chain and let it dry for 
about 1 hour before putting it back on the bike.  It was very dry and looks
like it wont attract dirt.  Very smooth an quiet shifting.  So far I love it.
More results will follow after I put some miles on it.


Bob Schwartz
Thinking Machines Corp.
Cambridge MA
From: ericp@VNET.IBM.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Contis
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:56:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbvax.9208191401.AA07176

I just got two new Contis - 700x25. One is a SuperSport, one is a
SuperSportUltra. The reason for two different models is that that
was what was available in this area in 700x25. Now that I have these,
is there a good reason for putting a particular one on the rear?
The SS 'feels' a little sturdier and heavier. The SS has tread and the
Ultra is almost slick. Will the bike handle better sith the SS in front
and Ultra rear or vice-versa?
Thanks,
Eric Pearson
ERICP@VNET.IBM.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Ba riders
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:05:29 GMT



Are there any rider groups in the Bay Area? 
My Requirements:

1) Feel no need to wear those dorky bike outfits: spandex/lycra cut
at the knee groin-squeezin shorts, along with the Kaleidascope tops,
along with cleats.

2) No obsessives. No need to feel everything is a waste unless its
done to the point of exhaustion. More miles/faster times isn't the
answer all the time. Enjoyment is tho.

3) There *is* no #3

Thank-you for your time.


                            R ****
                             I
                              C
                          **** K
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Thursday, 13 Aug 1992 17:15:23 CET
From: Richard Chase <RCHASE@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: All that fat
 <z54mfsa.tomk@netcom.com>


In article <z54mfsa.tomk@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) says:
>
>Speaking of fat in your diet: why is it that we all know that
>fat is bad for your heart? I ask this because I have an English
>Cookbook that practically oozes lard out of every recipe.
>
>Yet the british seem to life lives longer than we mere mortals.
>

I don't know the statistics for life expectency in Britain, but I have
seen reports on the BBC at various times about trying to improve the
eating habits there since heart disease is a major cause of death.  So
I wouldn't claim the British experience as proof of the benefits of a
fatty diet.
From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trispokes
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:08:31 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/rn/organization

Jobst Brandt writes:
>Paul Sery writes:
>
>> You seem to take such observations personally and infer completely
>> different things than any reasonable reading suggests.  Lighten up.
>
>Talk about calling the kettle black.  So I find no redeeming practical
>value for extremely expensive aerodynamic wheels on a mountain bike,

As I recall, Kritt's original question focused on the strength of the 
Trispoke for mountain biking.   You responded by stating every reason why
you think they are bad.  That's fine with me even though you did not 
answer his primary question.  BTW, Trispokes, according to the 
manufacturer's specs, are stronger than normal spoked wheels.

>I point to a few other reasons for not using them and right away I
>see bodies thrown into the fray with personal injury.  I wasn't aware
>that sensitivity about appearing cool was enough to cause so much
>pain.  This is wreck.bike and not alt.fashion I hope.  I didn't cross
>post did I?  Maybe the perceived injuries would be ameliorated if the
>admonition "Lighten up" were practiced by those who propose it.
>
Your "few" other reasons included sarcasm and a direct insult: 
Kritt> I must admit, the only thing I know about them is they look great 8)...
Jobst> It's good to see that looking good is preferred at almost any price.
Jobst> [then your  criticism...]
Jobst> What means "they look great"?  I suppose there is no accounting for 
Jobst> bad taste.
Sheesh, he even included a smiley.  There was no reason to say that and I 
took offense.

Paul Sery
Albuquerque, NM
From: sine@brahms.udel.edu (sine@sun.acs.udel.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Lancaster, PA bike races
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:04:38 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

Awhile ago I saw somewhere that there is a velodrome somewhere in
Lancaster, PA and that bike races are held there every Friday night
during the summer.  Can anyone confirm this?  If you have any other
info (like exact location and times or a full name so I could call)
please send it along.

Thanks,
Pat

-- 

Pat Sine                                         sine@brahms.udel.edu
Instructional Technology
Willard Hall Ed. Bldg., University of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Road Tires
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:46:02 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

gmack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack) writes:

>OK, I'll bite!  I've had to replace my Michelin Super Compe HD on the rear at the 
>1500 mile point, and now that I'm at 3,000 miles it looks like its getting close
>to that time again.  The only thing wrong with the front is that it is starting to
>get that "aged" look too (yellowed sidewalls, half a dozen nicks out of 'em, etc.).

Why not just switch the front tire to the back and vice versa and get 
some more miles on them both.  As you say, your front tire still has 
some wear left in it.

>-- 
>Gregg Mack                  --------- __o       __o       __o       __o
>gmack@oakhill.sps.mot.com   ------- _`\<,_    _`\<,_    _`\<,_    _`\<,_
>Motorola RISC uProcessors   ------ (*)/ (*)  (*)/ (*)  (*)/ (*)  (*)/ (*)
>Austin, TX  USA             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Robert M. Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
Organization: Sophomore, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:43:09 -0400 
From: "Douglas S. Brashear" <db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Hyperglide freehubs

Hiya- I had a big question and hoped you biking gurus could provide some
suggestions for me...

I have a 400Lx hyperglide hub on a rear MTB wheel, where the bearings
for the freewheel portion (or at least the bearing section that would be
in a regular freewheel...the bearings that allow the cassette to rotate)
have worn out.  The freehub no longer makes the clicking sound, and when
you attempt pedaling, it keeps slipping.  I know that the hub is the
problem...
my question:
Is there any way that this section can be replaced if I get a similar
hub for parts?
How hard is the task?
I have already purchased a new wheel, so my downtime will be nominal!
Any replies would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
DOUG
db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: tboyd@reed.edu (Toby Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Cyclocross tires, anyone?
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:17:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug17.201746.11128
Distribution: rec.bicycles
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Cyclocross tires (was Road tires)
Summary: Just Asking...
Distribution: na
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Keywords: Avocet? Specialized? Conti? durability, traction

  I'm hoping that the 'cyclers of the net will have some recommendations
on tires for a couple of not-quite-cyclocross bikes. I'm thinking of
putting Avocet's Cross tire on my Bridgestone RB-T, probably in
its 35C width. Does anyone have any good or bad impressions of this
tire? The literature on it indicates it has an inverted tread, much
like the Continental Town & Country tires I have on my mtb. Unhappily,
I haven't been able to find out the basics about it: PSI, weight, and
so on.
  Also, one of my housemates is searching for a narrow 700 knobby tire
which can be inflated to 100 PSI+. So far all I've seen are the 
Specialized TriCross, which do come pretty narrow (28C, I believe), but
are also fairly low pressure (75 PSI). Are there any better choices?
Does Conti make any cross-style tires, and if so, who carries them?

Many Thanks,
            TB
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Girven Flexstem u-review
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:53:12 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT

For some time I'd wanted to equip my MTB with a shock-absorbing fork,
but I don't ride off road much and, well, I'm cheap. Thus when my local
bike store made me an offer I couldn't refuse on a Girven Flexstem, I
decided to try it.
 
I mounted the stem and took off for a friend's house in the country. We
didn't do any real rough single track, just a lot of dirt roads and some
meadows at speeds of 32 MPH on down.
 
My impression: It's nice for certain kinds of riding in that it greatly
reduced the shock transmitted through the handlebars, as you might expect,
but it doesn't do a heck of lot for handling. I ran into some heavy
washboard while going downhill and found that while my hands weren't
thrown from the bars, control wasn't all that great either. Where it worked
best was in things like descending steps where's you're going fairly slow,
and pedaling standing up, putting a good deal of weight on the bars.
 
Where I think a Girven would be appropriate is on a touring bike. The
reduction in road shock transmitted to the hands would be a definite plus
on long rides over rough roads. I'd transfer it to my cross bike, but it's
a 1-1/8th" model, so no luck there.
 
But when I find a suitible cheap shock, I just might buy a 1" version for
the cross bike.
 
       --mike
From: ehunter@cray.com (Elizabeth G. Hunter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: tandem humor
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:57:39 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.


and now for a little tandem humor
i decided to have a little fun with flip's ascii art, my favorite
dave harvey posting and a previously posted romance gone bad.


         capitan 
    sue   pete        "Oh Pete your the best capitan I've ever had" Sue
    __~@ __@           coo'ed. "Well you know what they say, bikers do
  _-\<, -\<,_          it with a high cadence" said Pete proudly
 (_)/---|/-(_)        "I guess thats why we just click :-)" replies Sue
    santana            with a wink  
  
     _@_
    <=& \
      |
     ! !
 
pete's arm in a sling
due to a bad crash,
not on the tandem.
(seperated shoulder)

         capitan
  pete    sue
    __@  __~@
  _-\<, -\<,_
 (_)/---|/-(_)      "We don't have enough power captain!!!" said Pete.
    santana         "I'm giving it all I got" said Sue.
                    "If you didn't have that bum arm" she continued.
                    "Bum arm!!! whats that got to do with it, I'm
                     doing all the pedalling, its *your* bum thats
                     slowing us down" Pete yelled.
                    "What!!! are you saying I have a big bum?" she replies
                    "Well, I haven't seen the road since we left and there
                     was already a full moon this month"
                    "OK mister, you asked for it" Sue then blows him
                     away with the famous "harvey fart" and Pete gasping
                     for air is silenced.
          >>>>>>
                >
harvey           >
fart          __@ >__~@
perimeter   _-\<, -\<,_
           (_)/---|/-(_)
                  >
                 >
                >
           >>>>>
 

        
                hack 
                 hack
              __@ hack       __~@     sue dropping pete
            _-\<, -\       _-\<,_     for good :-(       
           (_)/---|/      (_)/-(_)
                  
 
remember the santana for sale due to a romance gone bad.
well i think this is what might have happened to them.
if your not careful it might happen to you two :-)


liz