HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu (Moo-Town Snacker)
Subject: Re: DIDs (Desert Island Discs)
Reply-To: mc21@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:33:02 GMT

The Chicago _Tribune_ just did something like this. The Trib's rock
critic gave his fifty faves and then invited everyone to send his/her
ten albums he/she couldn't live without. Here's what I picked (or at
least close to it):

1. Minor Threat--Out of Step
2. XTC--Skylarking
3. Minutemen--Double Nickles on the Dime
4. Soul Side--Trigger
5. The Cure--Head on the Door
6. New Order--Power, Corruption, and Lies
7. Mission of Burma--(the nifty 10-song cassette, a posthumous
release)
8. Big Black--Atomizer
9. Squirrel Bait--Skag Heaven
10. Billy Bragg--Back to Basics

(stuff I'd hate to part with: Wire, Joy Division, Naked Raygun, The
Wedding Present, Jimi Hendrix)




-- 
Martin Coleman (mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu)		           Bukkm Royale
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My teeth are sharp. 					      I eat popularity.
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From: sph@doc.ic.ac.uk (Simon Hughes)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Kitchens Of Distinction
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:59:16 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.

In <1992Jul16.060415.14649@nic.umass.edu> a0s5102@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Mitchell R Dickerman) writes:
>Simon Hughes said:
>>You're missing (I think) the first four singles - "Prize", "Third Time
>>We Opened The Capsule"...
>What tracks are on these singles? Any b-sides? _Elephantine_ shows up on the
>_Love Is Hell_ CD, and there are CD singles for "Quick As Rainbows" with three
>live tracks and "Drive That Fast" with three b-sides.

I don't know the b-sides but I'm pretty sure they're exclusive to the
singles.

Simon
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Lolla in CHicago
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:31:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.135557.1774@midway.uchicago.edu> lclayton@uhuru.uchicago.edu (Liz Clayton) writes:
>What part of Chicago is the World Music Theatre in?  It isn't.  It's in
>Tinley Park, a suburb of Chicago.  If you've got a good map, it should be 
>somewhere down there to the southwest of Chicago itself around I-57 and
>I-294.  I think.  Ticketmaster in Chicago (312) 559-1212 should be able to
>give you a little more help.

	Everything in Cook County is part of Chicago... ;-)

	Not 294!  The World Music Theater is on I-80 just a couple of miles
	west of I-57.  It is on the south side of I-80, and is visible from
	the highway.  There is a well-marked exit for this venue, but when
	you get close to the exit, please slow down a little as there could
	be stopped traffic on the interstate trying to get up the ramps.  A
	young woman was killed last year in a gruesome accident in this
	type of traffic situation before a concert there...

-- 
-------------------------------
| Randy Peppler               |
| Illinois State Water Survey |
| peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu    |
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: svma4@fel.tno.nl (Siem van Merrienboer)
Subject: Party Life in New York???
Keywords: Party, Night Life, New YOrk, HOuse Party, Concerts, Dancings
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:54:39 GMT

Yo, where can I go to have a real good time in New York?? I am in New York from fryday 31-7 till thuesday 4-8!!
I want to go to a Party where all the hip young poeple of New YOrk go!! Off course i prefere something in the alternative scene. If you happen to know some good concerts in that period, just name it!!!

Thanks, and be quick cause I'm leaving tomorrow!!! Siem. 
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: glitto@iastate.edu (Scott M Klabacha)
Subject: Trouser Press
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:27:20 GMT

parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
>lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>
   [information about Stone Roses deleted]
>
>>Info courtesy the current Trouser Press guide.
>	What's this?
>

The _Trouser Press Record Guide_ (4th edition, Collier Books, 1991, $18.95)
is a wondrous, huge (750+ pages) book which is a semi-comprehensive attempt to
begin to catalogue the world of "alternative music." Nearly every alternative
group you can think of which has released material previous to mid-1991 is in here
(there are some exceptions; I can think of Imagining Yellow Suns and Black Sun
Ensemble off the top of my head), and there are even lots of artists you wouldn't
expect to see (they're in the book because of the wide range of artists covered),
such as Cheap Trick, MC Hammer, Slayer, Stray Cats, and Paul Carrack. The list
of artists and musical styles represented in this book is too huge to even begin
to describe (the back of the book proudly states:  "2,500 artists critiqued...
9,500 albums, CD's and cassettes reviewed).

Nearly every artist in the book gets short reviews/information about their albums
and the artist him/her/itself, along with as comprehensive of a discography as
possible (including markings of what was released on CD, cassette only, CD/cassette
only, etc.)--but of course these discographies aren't always complete because of
the proliferation of material, tiny labels, and endless EP's/12" singles in the 
field.

Editor Ira Robbins mentions that the upcoming (1993?) 5th edition may need to be
two volumes because of all the stuff that can go in the book. 

IMHO, it's an invaluable reference for anyone who's seriously interested in
"alternative music." I read it to help me plan future musical purchases, to 
check if something got re-issued on CD, to plan my radio show...but every day
or two, I just sit down and read a bit, for fun. It's an excellent book.

***GlittoFern*** glitto@iastate.edu
"I've been working at the Kremlin with a two-headed dog" --Roger Kynard Erickson
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: page.Princeton.EDU!jcgoh (Justin C. Goh)
Subject: Lungfish
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:27:52 GMT


Just got the new Lungfish CD from Dischord.  It has about 10 new songs and the  
6 or so ones from the previously released EP on Dischord.  Pretty solid stuff.   
The first few songs are really good, but the middle of the album kind of wanes.   
However, they play a number of different styles which is nice.  Overall, they  
have a very solid guitar sound with good bass and above-average drums.  Obvious  
comparisons are Nation of Ulysses and Fugazi.  Ian produces of course.  If you  
like the Dischord stuff you will probably like this too.  Not stunning, but  
pretty good.

- Justin Goh
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu (Moo-Town Snacker)
Subject: Re: Spin sucks!
Reply-To: mc21@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 02:58:29 GMT

Regarding this general distaste for Spin magazine:
It seems that with the interest in indie-labels we ought to be
talking about the ink and paper counterpart of indie-labels--
fanzines. It seems that if we all think the magazine
equivalent to a major label ain't too hot then we got the ol' grass
roots zines to read. Or does this analogy fall flat and make it
pointless to compare some rich guy whose money cames from skin mags making an
'alternative' publication with blood-sucking corporate record labels?
On one view of course Spin sucks, what'd you expect? 







-- 
Martin Coleman (mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu)		           Bukkm Royale
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
My teeth are sharp. 					      I eat popularity.
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: cradle@wam.umd.edu (Dave Eisner)
Subject: Re: Nirvanas Secret Song
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:41:40 GMT

>
>Any way to identify discs that are made after the second pressing?  My  
>disc does not contain anything extra, or maybe my CD player sucks?
>
>tjb
>
>--
>+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
>| Thomas Baker        Director of the New Hampshire NeXT User Group | 
>| P.O. Box 213           Internet/NeXTmail: tjb@strangeways.unh.edu |
>| Durham, NH 03824                   Voice: (603) 743-4987          |
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  If you look at the underside of the disk, you can actually tell whether
there is an extra track.  The information on a CD begins at the center of
the disk and spirals outwards (opposite of a record);  on the disks with
the extra track, you can see where the regular tracks end, then a small
ring of nothing, and then another thin ring, which is the extra track.

				--Dave Eisner
				  cradle@wam.umd.edu
nosigisgoodsig

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: dege@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Ralph M Degennaro)
Subject: Re: Electric Ferrets? (was Oh No! It's MAINSTREAM!)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:27:00 GMT

In article <malcolm.711663155@wrs.com>, malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes...
>Oh wow, an Electic Ferrets fan?  Someone who's actually heard of the obscure
>Penn State garage/attic band of the early 80's who moved on to become a punk 
>band in Los Angeles? Or are you talking about the other Electric Ferrets band
>I've heard of, from Australia or something?  
> 

Hey, I remember hearing something about them!!!!! But anyone I asked never
knew anything about them.  So I forgot about 'em till now.  Does anyone have
info on them?  Cause I'd like to hear anything anyone knows.

Rio
dege@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.music.progressive
From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman)
Subject: Drum mailing list
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 00:56:40 GMT


I have started a mailing list for drummers and
percussionists or anyone interested in the sort.
If you would like to subscribe, just send a message
to drum-request@elof.iit.edu with subscribe in the
subject line and your mailing address in the body
of the letter. 

Jason Boardman
boarjas@elof.iit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: page.Princeton.EDU!jcgoh (Justin C. Goh)
Subject: Belly
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:33:56 GMT


Belly is a new band with Tanya Donelly and Fred Abong of the Throwing Muses.   
They have two other musicians, but I forget their names.  I do know that they  
have the same last name.  Anyway, they have a new CD-EP out on 4AD import.  It  
only has 4 songs, but it's actually 20 minutes long.  It sounds vaguely like  
the Muses but not really.  It doesn't sound like the Breeders at all.  Overall,  
the sound is kind of dark and brooding.  It's very melodic, but rocks out at  
times.  The last song has a very bizarre, long false end before it starts a 2  
minute segment which sounds totally different.  Overall, it's very good. 
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: cradle@wam.umd.edu (Dave Eisner)
Subject: Re: Siouxsie single in US?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:21:37 GMT

>shishka@coos.dartmouth.edu (Rich Yeung) writes:
>
>>is the Siouxsie single "Face to Face" out in the US yet?
>>if so, what's on it?
>>-r.
>

My friend just picked the single up at a record store in Cambridge Mass.
The two songs on the single are "Face to Face" and "Sea of Light."

BTW, she enjoys both songs.

					--Dave Eisner
					  cradle@wam.umd.edu
----------------------------------------
From: eomc40@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Allan)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Morrissey
Keywords: Some interesting tidbits
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:51:28 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

sbranson@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Orbital) writes:

>Also, apparently, on August 25 both the US CD singles for "Tomorrow"
>and for the Smiths "This Charming Man" will be released. "This
>Charming Man" supposedly will have all four versions, plus "Accept
                                       ^^^^^^

I thought there 5 versions ?

(1) London Mix
(2) Manchester Mix
(3) New York Mix
(4) Instrumental
(5) Peel Session

(1) and (2) are on the 12" single, (3) and (4) are on the infamous New
York 12" single, while (5) is on the Peel sesion record and on Hatfull
of Hollow.

Would anybody like to confirm or disagree with this ?

Also is it possible to get a hold of Jeane (the B side) to the 7" of
This Charming Man ?  I am lucky enough to have the Sandie Shaw version
but I would also like the version with Mozz singing ?


Malcolm Allan
University of Edinburgh.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.industrial
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Review of Recoil Bloodline CD
Summary: Not Bad
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:17:37 GMT

I just got the Recoil Bloodline CD yesterday, and listened to it
quite a bit. Here are my opinions, for anyone who's interested
in buying it and hasn't heard it yet.

If you like commercial music, you can forget this. It's extremely
original, non-mainstream, and interesting. The overall sound is
not that similar to Depeche Mode (a lot less similar than some DM
emulators). None of the vocalists who appear make any effort to
sound like DM., and the music is largely "funkier"  or "trendier"
than DM music. I'll explain this later. Now for the track by track
comments...

Faith Healer. The single. Rather industrial, but the beats are almost
nonexistent. Driven by bass, synth sounds, and samples rather than drums.
Techno influences are there, but the rough-edged vocals, sung by Doug
McCarthy (sp?) of Nitzer Ebb provide an industrial sound. Quite a good
song, which will grow on you rather than slam you over the head...

Electro Blues for Bukka White. Interesting, this, and very long ~9 min.
The vocals appear to be sampled entirely from an old song, and sound like
a southern Black guy. Starts off slow, but gets charged halfway thru...
You may have to listen to this in the background for a while, sort of
like the way you listen to the Orb.

The Defector. Instrumental, basically. Good feel. Again, don't look for
a single here; it's neither vocal nor dance.

Edge to Life. Vocals by TOni Halliday of Curve. Very nice song. Glass
chords, smooth vocals (un Curve-ish), good feel. The synths, beats, vocals
etc all work together here. My current fave on the album!

Curse. Rap by Moby. This is rather funky; it samples Justify my love/PE
for the rhythm. Rolling feel, pretty good.

Bloodline. Didn't make that much of an impression on me. I wish the vocals
were a bit clearer, or at least a lyric sheet should have been provided.

Freeze. Movie music. Not a single, that's for sure. But as background or
relaxing music, it's OK.

Score: 7.5/10

My main gripes: only 50 mins. 7 tracks. I would have liked a few more
attempts at singles, more tracks and time (a la primal scream or the Orb),
a lyric sheet, and perhaps versions/remixes of edge to life or faith healer.
This album doesn't sound much like the 7 track Faith Healer single, which is
a lot more dance oriented.

Paul

--
Anyone who's into DEPECHE MODE talk to me! pet@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au
MAIL ORDER: if you're looking for Japanese release CDs, Box Sets, and
Limited Editions, Rare Releases, email me. I have a friend who can maybe
help U out....
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From: jjwright@remus.rutgers.edu (   Jay)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: RHCP, Fishbone, Too Much Joy bootlegs
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:16:08 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.misc
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Greetings,

I am looking for bootlegs of the following bands:

The Red Hot Chili Peppers
Fishbone
Too Much Joy

Plus many others.  I have boots of the above bands already plus others
to trade if anyone is interested.


jay

jjwright@remus.rutgers.edu
From: davids@coos.dartmouth.edu (David S. Cohen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: NEW SHAMEN SINGLE 'LSI' ?
Date: 27 Jul 92 01:40:54 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

ee3401cb@carina.unm.edu (Student Class Account) writes:

>Does anyone out there know if the new Shamen single 'LSI' has been
>released yet?  If you have it, could you post/e-mail a review and
>track listing for me.  I need it for my discography.  Thanks.

well, to describe it . . . . 

cheese, cheese, cheese (but catchy cheese).

track listing:

love sex intelligence (lsi)
1. beatmasters 7"
2. shamen 7"
3. e-smoove 7" mix
4. ed richards 12" mix
5. beatmasters 12" mix
6. shamen alternative vocal
7. frank de wulf dub rave

well, here's a quick review.  i listened to five of the seven tracks (i 
skipped over numbers 4 and 5).  they are all _very_ similar despite the mixing.
although, number 7 is a bit different than the others, but not by much.  maybe
i just have to listen to it more, but i don't think i'm going to.  there are
some really annoying pop style female vocals that start off the song.  then,
the "rapping" that is reminiscent of move any mountain and make it mine.  the
music is really good, imo.  but, the vocals really ruin the song.  overall, i 
would say i am really disappointed, although, i can easily say that the song is
catchy and will do well for them.  if it's top 40 crossover they are looking 
for, this will do it for them.



--
peace
-dsc
Xref: sparky alt.music.alternative:8395 alt.rap:3926 alt.thrash:1260
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.rap,alt.thrash
Subject: Re: Body Count: "Cop Killer" removed from album
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:18:50 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School

In <1992Jul29.042153.3235@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick) writes:

>I'm not going to debate the ethics of the song, I just want to call
>attention to the reason for this action.

>Death threats from police officers.
>-----------------------------------

Like the man said, "Freedom of Speech, Just Watch What You Say."

Who wants to bet that first edition Body Count CDs get REALLY popular and
expensive now?

-Thumper
--
geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU - Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business
"If the Vice President thinks it's disgraceful for an unmarried woman to bear
a child, if he believes that a woman cannot adequately raise a child without
a father, then he'd better make sure abortion remains safe and legal." - DE
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: ralph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Ralph Brandi)
Subject: Sneakers (was Re: Game Theory)
Organization: Democrats for Broccoli
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 02:12:13 GMT

In article <BrF260.78E@well.sf.ca.us> folta@well.sf.ca.us (Stephen Folta) writes:

>mind.  I am eagerly awaiting the supposedly imminent release of a CD
>compiling the recordings of a band called Sneakers, which included
>Mitch Easter (Let's Active) and Chris Stamey (dB's).  I haven't heard
>anything by Sneakers yet.

I don't know how imminent this is.  Chris said last winter that
there would be a CD out this spring with all the Sneakers stuff on
it, but it's mid-summer and no CD yet.  I've lost count of how many
times I've heard Chris announce an upcoming release only to have it
go into limbo for a year or two.  Most recent example would be his
last album, *Fireworks*.  I heard Chris talking about it two years
before it eventually came out, and had a tape of it almost a year
before it eventually came out.  In fairness, the delays generally
don't have anything to do with Chris; he shopped *Fireworks* around
pretty constantly for two years after A&M dropped him and after the
label that was going to pick up the record, Coyote, went under.

Of the two Sneakers records I would expect to be compiled on the
record, the first EP is the better, with six tracks of incipient
brilliance by Chris and Co.  The second EP, *In the Red*, is spottier.
Mitch wasn't a full member of the band for the first record, and
there really wasn't a band for the second, just Mitch and Chris and
the TEAC 3340 (a model of tape deck that seems to have produced an
inordinate number of my favorite recordings....  See also Flying Nun
Records.)  There's a fair amount of throw-away material on the
second record.  Personally, I'm interested in seeing if there's any
extra material on the CD if/when it comes out.  I know that there
was one outtake from the first EP, a version of the Grass Roots'
"Live For Today" with Will Rigby on vocals, and *In the Red* was
originally slated to be a full LP titled *Flickers*.
-- 
Ralph Brandi     ralph@mtunp.att.com     att!mtunp!ralph

"I may have had the needle in my arm dozens of times, but I never
pushed the plunger"    -- Presidential Candidate Dave Barry
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: songs about sex 
X-To: LISA GRUCCIO
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 14:40:00 GMT

lgruccio@maxis.encore.com (Lisa Gruccio) writes:

LG>>Hello...I was just hoping that people could either post or e-mail me
LG>>some of their favorite songs that have something to do about sex...
LG>     
LG>     Aerosmith - Love in an Elevator
LG>     AC/DC - Let Me Put My Love Into You
LG>     Bad Company - Feel Like Makin' Love
LG>     Bell Biv Devoe - Do Me!
LG>     Bullet Boys - Smooth Up In Ya
LG>     Cheap Trick - She's Tight
LG>     Color Me Bad - I Wanna Sex You Up
LG>     Def Leppard - Make Love Like A Man
LG>     Journey - Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'
LG>     Kyper - Tic Tac Toe 
LG>     Motley Crue - She Goes Down 
LG>     Motley Crue - Slice of Your Pie
LG>     Red Hot Chili Peppers - Suck My Kiss
LG>     Red Hot Chili Peppers - Give It Away


Jesus H. Christ, I thought this was alt.music.alternative.  Did I 
stumble into alt.music.overproduced-corporate-shit or 
alt.music.bad-top40-metal-crap by mistake?


Greg
ecurrent@zooid.guild.org
sizone!ecurrent@ee.ryerson.ca

--- WinQwk 2.0 #0
From: makelley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Skinny Puppy )
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: DIDs (Desert Island Discs)
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:00:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Jul28.123246.12331@ultb.isc.rit.edu> cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>
>	The Cure : Happily Ever After 			: in the new 2 CD
>							holder case
>

WOW! You actually own this?  I'd tried to order it about 3 years
ago, but the place i ordered it from couldn't get it.  I've never
actually seen this cd version...


Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)
Subject: Anyone heard of "The Not"?
Organization: University of Central Florida
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:19:04 GMT

About five years ago we saw a T.S.O.L. concert down here
in which they were blown away by their opening band, a
band called the Not.  I think they were from Boston.  Does
anyone remember them?  If so, what are they up to now?

Just Curious,
Mark
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative