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From: Brian.D.Kurlander@dartmouth.edu (Brian D. Kurlander)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Maple and Def Leppard - Neither should be here
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:06:37 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

While scrolling through our wonderful network today, I couldn't help
but notice that Maple knew the words to "Let's Get Rocked", by
everyone's favorite band, Def Leppard.  This was in the same article
that he blasted Hyok Lee for writing a very sarcastic and entertaining
article about Def Leppard.  Not only did he prove to us all that he is
truly a fan of the band, he also showed his lack of a sense of humor. 
It is true that Def Leppard is not metal and I agree that this is not
the right place for them, but no one forced you to read the article
Maple.  If you were half as original as Hyok, you might even be
tolerable.  I feel sorry for Suaron that you are his main ally during
the great "flame wars".  Does ripping apart someone else's ideas make
you feel better about yourself?  Are you really the computer geek
people are saying you are?  I may have to remove the shrine I built in
your honor as the all-knowing metal god.  Get a clue.  Get a life.  Get
off the network.

"I've seen your side.  You run
 and hide for the mere fact
 that you feel inferior.  Be
 superior, and know your interior."
                         Pantera - "No Good (Attack the Radical)"
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: msisneros@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: Need help with the bass-sex
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:46:53 PDT

Say, hey, folks, I call on you in a time of need!  Does anyone out in
computergeexworld have a bass transcription to "For Whom the Bell
Tolls"?  I'm curious to see how bad my ear is, and if I figured out ANY
of the song at all even remotely correctly!  I will pay for xerox
charges/postage or I will trade you for some other transcription that I
might have that you might be lacking!  Do send me e-mail at
MSISNEROS@POMONA.CLAREMONT.EDU if you can help me out!
	Another question for you newsreaderz:  What the hell does that
little backwards masking thing at the end of "Overkill" (Overkill, Feel
the Fire) say?!  It is something that has been on my mind to ask for
years n years, and since I am calling upon your help for something, i
might as well take it for all it's worth, eh?

			luv, Mel
From: fscll@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Lott)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: JUST AN IDEA
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:11:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Apr11.201107.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <92101.211707TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu>, TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> 
> I suggested that ah few months ago and basically from what I've been
> told the netgods don't like to just destroy groups, unfortunately.
> I personally don't think metal is a sub group of Rock-n-roll.  Its
> like saying rock-n-roll is a sub group of classical music or that
> rap is a subgroup of rock-n-roll.
> 
> But people being think-headed morons they are refuse to see the true
> light and do things for their own benifit.  Oh! its so cool to listen
> to metal groups like poison, warrent and g'n'p.
> 
> --slide with me to your netherworld, emotion exquisite in sweet demise
> Suaron

You are right, metal is not a "sub-group" or rock-n-roll, but it does derive
from it, just as rock derives (more than most people realize) from blues and
classical, and rap even more directly from rock and blues... 

the problem is, the difference is so clear in EVERYONE's mind, but never quite
the same... and that makes justification for splitting a group kind of abtract
at best as far as rules go. I think that is really the main reason the netgods
don;t want to make another group. But, if you follow the regular group adding
procedure, outlined in some news.rules group or something, and you hold the
request for discussion and vote, and it passes then you would have your group.
I would recommend that you make it moderated and have a vote to determine what
groups can be discussed, otherwise it will become just like this board in
content...

Back to the useless flame wars...
-- 
 __________________________________________________________
|  Christopher L. Lott  --- Poet and Pauper                |
|__________________________________________________________|___
|  fscll@alaska                | "And now what shall become of |
|  fscll@acad3.alaska.edu      |  us without any barbarians?   |
 ------------------------------|  Those people were a kind of  |
                               |          solution."           |
                                -------------------------------
From: karsten@nic.gac.edu (Karsten Hendrick)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Everyone is a Poser
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:14:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr14.101424.874



You guys are all posers, especially the ones who are calling
everyone else a poser.  Those of you who aren't calling anyone
a poser are posers, too, because you're just posing as people
who don't call others posers.  Quit posing, all you posers!

Karsten Hendrick
karsten@nic.gac.edu
karsten@lavatch.gac.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 01:12:12 EDT
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Guns-N-Roses Tour

Why do people have a problem with Lord of the Rings as adult literature?

It's probably a lot more "adult" than the stuff its bashers regularly read,
that is, when they're not too busy watching Wheel of Fortune.
- AKA "DAVE"
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 21:17:07 EDT
From: <TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: JUST AN IDEA

In article <1992Apr11.005028.12173@wam.umd.edu>, bianc@next09csc.wam.umd.edu
(WierdnesS) says:
>
>Why not get rid of alt.rock-and-roll.metal. ... and replace them all with
>alt.metal. ... then rock will have it's OWN group, and Metal will have
>it's OWN group, and just then maybe people will get the clue that metal is
>not rock.
>
>LATER DUDERS!
>
>BIANC!

I suggested that ah few months ago and basically from what I've been
told the netgods don't like to just destroy groups, unfortunately.
I personally don't think metal is a sub group of Rock-n-roll.  Its
like saying rock-n-roll is a sub group of classical music or that
rap is a subgroup of rock-n-roll.

But people being think-headed morons they are refuse to see the true
light and do things for their own benifit.  Oh! its so cool to listen
to metal groups like poison, warrent and g'n'p.

--slide with me to your netherworld, emotion exquisite in sweet demise
Suaron
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: bianc@next09csc.wam.umd.edu (WierdnesS)
Subject: JUST AN IDEA
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:50:28 GMT

I just thought of something!

(fancy that()

Why not get rid of alt.rock-and-roll.metal. ... and replace them all with  
alt.metal. ... then rock will have it's OWN group, and Metal will have  
it's OWN group, and just then maybe people will get the clue that metal is  
not rock.


I dunno, it's just a thought.   




LATER DUDERS!


BIANC!

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From: jmalcolm@sura.net (Joseph Malcolm)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: a society consuming itself through its lies & religious morons
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:43:39 GMT
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way

In article <ku6da7INNkr0@cronkite> nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids) writes:
>	Catholicism and homosexuallity are things of CHOICE.  If you 
>chose to you could lock yourself in a room and not have sex or go to 
>church at all.  Thus you would neither be gay nor would you be a 
>catholic.

So if you were to lock yourself in a room, then you would not be
heterosexual?
-- 
Joseph Malcolm			(Yes, with two l's, dammit!)
jmalcolm@sura.net
From: sh_strawn@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: What to expect from Iron Maiden
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:00:13 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

First of all, i guess it is my duty as a reader on this board to bitch at maple
syrup and his buddy hyok for cluttering .heavy with their battles.  but i would
be less than honest if i said i didn't derive any humor out of the latest
warrings.  perhaps maple will step across the dorm hallway and beat the shit
out of hyok and be through with it.  but yes, guys, let's talk about why you
prefer poison over megadeth or your moral reasons for incinerating winger, not
why you now hate each other.

(hyok: i hope your girlfriend never finds out how poorly you defended her in
the fray.  you might never see the bearded clam again on your campus.)

Now about metal:  So what about maiden's new comer?  does anyone think bruce
dickinson has stooped to screaming instead of singing?  i always liked his
screams because they accented his piercing, wailing vocal sound on beast
through seventh son.  but the melody was harder to locate on no prayer.  i
still like his sound, but i say give us more singing and melody, even if the
toll of a decade plus of touring has impaired his range slightly (i can't tell
for sure if this is true, but it seems to be.)  

And also, more steve harris songs.  the best three songs on the prayer disc are
all written solely by harris (assassin, no prayer for the dying, and mother
russia, i think), and the other ones i can stand have his signature in them as
well.  but i didn't think the maiden that i loved would put songs like hooks in
you and bring your daughter to the slaughter??? on anything but b-sides.  i
think the loss of adrian smith has taken a bigger toll songwriting-wise than
they hoped.  remember back in the village?  the guitar riff on that was
amazing, and it was all adrian.  by the by, does anyone know what he's up to
now?  i hope he fares better than paul d'ianno (battlezone) of ex-maiden fame.  

i just hope the new album has alot more emphasis on steve harris music and on
melody as well as metal.

another thing:  i saw in someone's signature a quote from a Candlemass album,
Ancient Dreams.  i think it was a Thomas Wolmer?  i heard the candlemass album 
that came one or two before that, and it had some decent stuff on it.  can
anyone give me some sort of review on their progession and refinement
(hopefully) of their tolling bell sound?  i think what i heard was nightfall,
but am not sure.

a compliment and a question for Chris Lott:  i like your sig quote alot.  it is
a truth that becomes a reality for the world today (decline of military after
the cold war?).  could you tell me where it's from?  thanks.

whatever happened to helloween?  the seven keys set was so good.

that's all, folks.

-shane s.-
			the light of the blind, you'll see,
				the venom tears my spine
			the eyes of the nile are opening--you'll see.
					-revelations-
From: coven@hale.cts.com (Coven)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: "Speed" metal
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:57:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: hale.2mPXiB4w165w
Organization: Hale Telecommunications San Diego CA

> "Jesus Saves" and "Alter of Sacrifice" are speed.
 
'Fraid not in my book... even if so, those are only 2 songs on a whole 
tape. As I believe I said : These are only my views.
I said that expecting people like you trying to tell me I'm wrong.
 
> 
> > Speed : Faster then heavy, and with better lyrics and hardness then
> >         those damned poser groups on HBB all the time... <speed ex:       
> >         Old Metallica, Anthrax, Sanctuary, Death Angel>. Speed uses
> >         lighter voices and more lead guitar then thrash.
> 
> Then what of oldmetallica was speed? I can't think of anything.
> Ride The Lightning? No. Battery? No. Damage, Inc? No...
 
Battery? Yeah. Fight Fire With Fire? Yeah. Damage Inc? Yeah.
> 
> > Thrash: Everything that uses a lot of rhythm guitar and screaming <or 
> >         at least singing in coherent words...>. The heaviest type of
> >         metal that isn't death and usually faster then speed. <ex: 
> >         Old Slayer, Dark Angel, Sepultura, Coven>
> 
> Sepultura isn't all that fast.. paticulary the openings. I think you
> have thrash and speed mixed up.
 
Oh please... all you can do is pick ONE exaple out of a few and argue 
that? I really dont CARE what you think if you're going to make a point 
of telling me I'm wrong... show me a fucking dictionary and then I'll 
change my definitions....
<if it defines them>
> 

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coven@hale.cts.com (Coven)   08-Apr-92 at 4:04p
From: mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:41:54 GMT
Subject: A moments silence for Sam!!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy

Well, I'm sure you all heard that the leader of metal
jokes and song is dead!  Preacher Sam now knows the 
truth about death, god, and hell.  His last words where
"I dont want to go, I just got married...well all right"
and he died.  Talking to angels??? who Knows, talking 
to devils I think not.  So, lets give a toast to the 
genius of rock n roll comedy!!!!  Hail Hail.........


Lets have silence for a few seconds....1....2....3....

O.K. lets rock on!!!!

Mort.......Keeper of the faith.....Faither of the keep.....
From: fscll@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Lott)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: alt.rnr.metal.heavy ESSENTIALS
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:33:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Apr17.103300.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Essentials for reading alt-rnr-metal.heavy

BE FAMILIAR WITH:

Suaron -- King of the Bashers... bitter and incapable of flexibility, at least 
          he is true to what he writes.

Maple -- Tries to be Suaron but never cuts it.

Hyok -- Tries to be Maple who tries to be Suaron and his posts are even worse.
          What is even better is the worst thing he can come up with is to 
         flame Maple... talk about an endless loop of futility. Kill File times.

Chris Lott -- Yep, that's me... prone to angry posting, would like to see some
              orginality and more music discussion in this group. Kill File 
              time here too most likely.

Bashing -- Smashing anyone and everything that you don't like. Kind of a 
              Cross between Tipper Bore and a redneck on the 4th of July.

Posing -- Being the object of the Gods (pronounced BASHERS)

THINGS YOU DON'T NEED

Music Discussions -- Forget this entirely, it just ends up being flamed by 
                        some self-righteous would-be-a-music-critic-if-they-   
                        had-the-talent.

Opinions --  You don't nbeed these either unless they are of the
              kill-them-posers-i-hate-them-they-don't-like-the-
              ultimate-heavy-metal-band-(insert your favorite band here).

Versatility -- You might as well end it now if you happen to like more than 
                   ONE style of music, or even sometimes more than one band.



Any additions?
(most of this is toungue in cheek, I am just getting sick of the boring
 arguing and yelling on this group)

-- 
  Christopher L. Lott           "And now what shall become of 
  fscll@acad3.alaska.edu        us without any barbarians?   
                                Those people were a kind of 
                                         solution."          
                               
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: bianc@next09csc.wam.umd.edu (WierdnesS)
Subject: bashing
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:49:06 GMT



Although, I've said before that the difference between metal and RNR is  
evident, I don't see why people get so offended when others post rnr in  
this newsgroup.


I mean. sure, it doesn't belong here and those people who do may not be  
totally right in what they ar stop them.  It's like cencorship: you should 
have the right to choose what you listen to and don't.

As George Carlin once said about a minister who made a big commotion over  
hearing something on the radio that he didn't like:


"Well Reverend, Did anyone ever tell you that there are two KNOBS on the  
radio?  <<although I'm sure the reverend isn't that familiar with anything  
that has two KNOBS on it>> One, turs the radio off, and the other . . .  
CHANGES the STATION!!!!! Imagine that, reverend, you can actually change  
the station.   It's called freedom of choice and it;s on of the liberties  
this country was founded upon.  Maybe you could look it up sometime if  
there are any libraries left after you've finished Burning All the Books!"

                       -George Carlin
                         "What am I Doing in New Jersey?"


If you don't wanna hear about GNR, or slaughter, of any other NON-metal  
band, then DON'T READ THEM!!!!! and leave these poor guys alone!




That's all I have to say.


(Now will somebody gimme some info on what anthrax is currently doing --  
New Album?/tour/etc)


thanks

LATER DUDERS!






BIANC!
From: IO70470@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: ARMORED SAINT
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:19:41 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System


  Just wanted to let those not in the know to be aware
of a tremendously underrated album:
ARMORED SAINT'S  "Symbol of Salvation"!!  This album truly
has something for everybody on it. It thrashes, jams, and
rocks. Kinda traditional metal with a modern sound. If you
consider yourself to be a "metal fan" and have not yet
experienced the Saint, then please do so ASAP. They also
have some great older stuff, too. And live, they really
can deliver. Hope this helps. Oh yea, one more thing:
MAPLE AND SUARON: GET A LIFE, ASSHOLES. This group is
about music, not your bullshit.
From: mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:50:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Heavy Metal (Movie aval.)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy

In alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy, dfarrell@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

> For everybody who wants a copy of the movie Heavy Metal, write to:
> 			Mark Sawickis
> 			Lakeview Apts. #7B
> 			West Jefferson St.
> 			Morton, IL  61550
> 
> 	It costs $15, and yes, this is the Mark Sawickis of Impetigo. 

Mark, is this a stereo HIFI version you can make for us, or just a 
normal and quite worthless mono version.

Mort

 
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: giant@next15pg2.wam.umd.edu (ShadowKing)
Subject: Re: Everyone is a Poser
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:26:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.101424.874@gacvx2.gac.edu> karsten@nic.gac.edu  
(Karsten Hendrick) writes:
> 
> 
> You guys are all posers, especially the ones who are calling
> everyone else a poser.  Those of you who aren't calling anyone
> a poser are posers, too, because you're just posing as people
> who don't call others posers.  Quit posing, all you posers!
> 
> Karsten Hendrick
> karsten@nic.gac.edu
> karsten@lavatch.gac.edu


Hmmmm.....What does that make you, huh?



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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.thrash
From: grigsby@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Spiral Death Trap)
Subject: Re: a society consuming itself through its lies & religious morons
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
	<1992Apr8.203539.1@pomona.claremont.edu>
	<1992Apr10.050912.26918@willamette.edu>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:52:18 GMT


In article <1992Apr10.050912.26918@willamette.edu> slambert@willamette.edu (Sean Lambert) writes:

       This person is very right, it has been proven that species do not
       have any choice whether they are homosexual.  Homosexualism (wd?) is
       handed down in the genes.

What is your source for this assertion?  You're pinning my BS meter...

       The experiment showed that homosexuals
       have smaller brains than non-homosexuals..

I know the experiment you're talking about and that was NOT the conclusion --
they found a certain body inside the brain of admitted male homosexuals to
be, on the average, more similar to women (sexuality not questioned) than
another group of men (sexuality not questioned).  Also, the sample size was
tiny, on the order of under twenty people.  The data from such a small and
flawed experiment is within epsilon of meaningless.

Stop looking for "scientific" ways to justify your homophobia.  It continues
to amaze me that people give a shit about who or what anyone chooses to fuck
or why.  Loosen up!  If you can't deal with others' sexuality, YOU have the
problem, not them.  (Rape excepted -- Captain Obvious)

// g
From: coven@hale.cts.com (Coven)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: DEF LEPPARD ON  DETROIT's Z -ROCK!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:05:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: hale.qZPXiB5w165w
Organization: Hale Telecommunications San Diego CA

bhh@artemis.cs.wayne.edu (Bhaskar Holur) writes:

> TODAY DETROIT'S Z -ROCK WAS PLAYING "TOO MUCH DEF LEPPARD" EVERY HOUR
> ON THE HOUR 15 MIN. OF DEF LEPP...A FEAST FOR ANY DIE HARD DEF LEPP
> FANS!!!! IT IS A TREMENDOUS SHOW .....LOTS OF SINGLES OFF THEIR NEW
> ALBUM ADRENALIZE!!!! AND LOT MORE....
> 
> I AM CELEBRATING THIS DAY BURSTING MY EARS WITH DEF!!!!

 
Why do I think that he posted that on this sub just to see how many 
people would go off on him?

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coven@hale.cts.com (Coven)   08-Apr-92 at 4:05p
From: coven@hale.cts.com (Coven)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: a society consuming itself through its lies & religious morons
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:54:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: hale.qH71iB3w165w
Organization: Hale Telecommunications San Diego CA

> >	No, there's a difference here.  People who are gay are gay
> >because they were born that way.  Bashing them is the same as 
> >bashing someone fore being black, or catholic.
> 
> 	Catholicism and homosexuallity are things of CHOICE.  If you 
> chose to you could lock yourself in a room and not have sex or go to 
> church at all.  Thus you would neither be gay nor would you be a 
> catholic.  You could not however do much about your race or your skin
 
Hmmmmmm
Why is this on this forum?

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coven@hale.cts.com (Coven)   10-Apr-92 at 12:56p
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.thrash,alt.rock-n-roll.metal