From: dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu ( )
Subject: Re: Larry Margolis contacts my sysadmin
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:35:16 GMT

In article <dd11skh@rpi.edu> 
keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.) writes:

>dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:

>> I'm glad you enjoyed my post to soc.singles, Mr. Margolis.
>> Despite your threatening e-mail to my sysadmin, I shall 
>> continue to post to soc.singles. 

> i'd like to see some proof of this allegation, unless
> it's just another lie, of course.

Here's the e-mail that Larry Margolis sent to my system
administrators, forwarded from one of the NCSU sysadmins.  
I omitted the sender's address from the e-mail.

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Subject: Description of the Fetal Remains from an Abortion (fwd)
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Forwarded message:
>From margoli@watson.ibm.com  Fri Nov 20 03:20:14 1992
Posted-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 03:14:19
Received-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 03:20:07 -0500
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 03:14:19
From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
Reply-To: margoli@watson.ibm.com
To: postmaster@ncsu.edu
Subject: Description of the Fetal Remains from an Abortion

To whom it may concern,
   Apparently someone at your site is "letter-bombing" various newsgroups
with material previously posted to talk.abortion.  This was in soc.singles,
alt.romance.chat, and other groups.  I think someone needs a talking-to...

Sincerely,
Larry Margolis

>Newsgroups: soc.singles
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>From: dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu ( )
>Subject: Description of the Fetal Remains from an Abortion
>Message-ID: <1992Nov18.173151.4801@ncsu.edu>
>Sender: news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System)
>Organization: North Carolina State University
>References: <1992Nov15.210121.18247@bnlux1.bnl.gov> <74341@apple.apple.COM> <1992Nov17.224614.9193@bnlux1.bnl.gov>
>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:31:51 GMT
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>  "It was easy to shrug off an aborted pregnancy as nothing more than
>   a sack of blood and globs of tissue--as many pro-choice activists
>   did--if one never saw fetal remains, or products of conception (POC),
>   as they were known in medical circles.  But the nurses, medical
>   assistants, and doctors who worked inside procedure rooms knew
>   that while an eight-week POC was indeed a sack of blood and
>   globs of tissue, an eleven-week POC harbored tiny arms and legs
>   and feet with toes.  At twelve weeks, those tiny hands had tiny
>   nails.  Although the fetal head was too small at that stage to
>   withstand the evacuation machine's suction, pieces of face--a nose
>   and a mouth, or a black eye (all fetal eyes are black in the
>   first trimester) the size of a pea--were sometimes found in
>   the aftermath.
>
>   Later abortions spawned even more gruesome fetal remains.  Between
>   the twelfth and the sixteenth week, early in the second trimester,
>   the fetus almost doubled in length as its body caught up to its
>   large head, and it filled out to the point where it looked like
>   a human baby for the first time.  Since the fetal skull was
>   still soft, the head did not come out whole during the evacuation,
>   but the legs and arms and rib cage made it through intact.  The
>   hand of a second trimester fetus, as a Preterm doctor described
>   it, seemed big enough to shake.
>
>   Most of Preterm's abortion staff didn't volunteer to work ``seconds''.
>   Late first trimester POCs were hard enough.  The counselor/medical
>   assistants (CMAs) met regularly to discuss their feelings about
>   their work, and often the discussion focused on the POC.  Inside
>   a procedure room, facing the contents of the uterus, there was
>   no denying what abortion was."
>
>   Sue Hertz, _Caught in the Crossfire: A Year on Abortion's Front Line_,
>   Prentice Hall Press, 1991, pg. 104.
>
>

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