From: nbt@napcc-hp.cvm.uiuc.edu (Nguyen Thanh Binh)
Subject: Re: [SOC] Re: Normalization w/ Hanoi
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:24:20 GMT

In article <921110104531.20201e68@NMDHST.CC.NIH.GOV>, TIEN@NMDHST.CC.NIH.GOV writes:
|> > From: becherer@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu (Max Becherer)
|> > Subject: Re: Normalization w/ Hanoi
|> > Date: 10 Nov 92 00:58:17 GMT
|> > 
|> > ... The REAL reason the embargo should be maintained
|> > and, for that matter, reinforced, is human rights.  The Hanoi regime is one of
|> > the most oppressive in the world today, a tyranny in the same vein as those in
|> > Burma, North Korea and Cuba, to name a few.  No nation should give aid to
|> > regimes which brutalize their people, as it will only serve to prolong the 
|> > suffering of the oppressed citizens.  The same rational that was applied to
|> > the Apartheid regime in South Africa should also be used on regimes like 
|> > Hanoi (whose behavior is far worse than Pretoria's already abysmal record).
|> > ...
|> >
|> 
|> Dear Max and everyone:
|> 
|> I totally agree with you that Hanoi suppresses the human rights in the
|> country.  That issue should be raised everytime we have a chance to. 
|> However, it is interesting to find that the people in Vietnam also want
					       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	You are right !!!, I know million of people in vietnam want the 
US trade embargo lifted.  You might think that I am kidding...Let's see
how I get this figure:

	1- 900,000 :  relatives and closed friend of vietnamese communist
	              officers (regional as well as national)
	2-  99,000 :  business persons (man and woman) in the city like 
		      SaiGon, VungTau, NhaTrang, Dalat, HaPhong, DoSon,
		      HaNoi.  They make profits mostly by providing serices
		      rank from Tour Guide to Prostitution.
	3-    970  :  Those left-over from Thieu-Ky regime who just can't wait
		      to be back on the power circle.
	4-     30  :  Friends of Nguye^~n Trung Hie^'u, Ngo^ Thanh Nha`n,
		      Bu`i Va<n DDa.o.
   Total   ---------
	  1,000,000  ( Sorry, if I have missed someone )


|> the US trade embargo to be lifted.  When I talked to people in Vietnam,
|> it is apparent that they are more worried about jobs and basic survival
|> conditions (food, medicine, ...) than human rights.  It is thus unfair
|> if we, the people who have jobs and almost everything, require the
|> hungry people to continue being hungry until they have freedom.
|> 
	Trade embargo will be lifted whenever the american capitalists 
feel it's the time for them to devour vietnam natural resouces, and cheap labor,
industrial landfill, and tourism (X-tour).  

	U` o*,  "... Ma^'y ddo*`i ba'nh ddu'c co' xu*o*ng
		     ma^'y ddo*`i gia<.c cu*o*'p(1) co' thu*o*ng da^n mi`nh"

	On the other side, the hanoi regime would celebrate ... Well they should!
and they will cheer:"... the final victory is ours...those idiots once again fall
to our trap...Let's get ready for another feast"

	Da^n gian la.i ta tha'n,

	U` o*,
		"...Con o*i nho*' la^'y ca^u na`y"
		" Cu*o*'p dde^m la` gia<.c cu*o*'p nga`y la` quan..."

|> I again agree with you that we must help them to gain a decent life,
|> which includes human rights and basic necessity.  But we should help
|> them to achieve what they want rather than enforcing what we think they	
|> should want.  We have to know what they want in order to help,
|> otherwise, we may not be any better than Hanoi.
|> 

	It's sad ... very sad... I think you do not understand Max's points.  I 
think most vietnamese aboard (exept Ngo^ Thanh Nha`n, Nguye^~n Trung Hie^'u, and
Bu`i Va<n DDa.o) would prefer a set of preconditions on human rights and freedom
before trade embargo is lifted.  We do not want the vietnamese communist
government gets a FREE RIDE here.  Of course, there are a few bussiness persons 
(man & woman ) favor lifting embargo without conditions.  They can be classified
as :
	1- Crazy bussiness persons (nga^y tho*, ngu muo^.i nhu*ng tham lam)
	2- bussiness persons who have close tie to Hanoi and want to monopolize
	3- emerging parasites 
	4- idiots who thoughts they have solutions for everythings
	
	
|> Yours,
|> 
|> Tie^'n @ N.I.H.


Cha'n phe`o,