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From: mthorn@madvax.uop.edu (Charlie's enormous mouth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: cEVIN Key in S.F. yesterday
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:02:39 GMT
Reply-To: mthorn@madvax.uop.edu
Organization: University of the Pacific, Stockton, CA

Well, despite Greg Earle's skepticism, cEVIN did show up to that record
release party in San Francisco yesterday.  I drove an hour and a half down
there only to discover that they wouldn't let me in - 21+ only (gee, it would
have been nice if they had bothered to put that on the flyer somewhere, or
on the answering machine which I called to find out where it was...there was
about twenty of us sitting outside looking stupid because we couldn't get
in...), but cEVIN was hanging around outside for a while.  I asked him when
they were going to play in S.F. and he whipped out his tour date sheet.  
Sorry, I didn't catch most of it, but I did see the VITAL INFORMATION, that
being that they will play at the Warfield in S.F. on July 7th.  They will
play in L.A. either one or two days after that, I can't remember.

I couldn't get much more than that out of cEVIN as he was being thronged with
several lace-clad goth women and seemed busy...;-)  So, I got his autograph
and hung out for a while.  Not much to do when you're sitting outside of
some scummy club in S.F. and cEVIN has been whisked away for a phone call, so
I took off.  But hey, I'm a happy camper.

He's a pretty big guy...I felt kind of stupid just standing there looking up
at him trying to think of something to say... but then again, I suppose all
the other people that were there felt pretty much the same way...

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From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Vocal styles of the grand Poopoochee lama
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:48:33 GMT

williams8572@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>   This might be weak, but being currently neck deep in a musical project (see
>sig) it is of interest to me.  Iwas wondering if anybody out there had any
>specific vocal styles or distortions that they liked alot.

I really like the distortion that makes it sound like the person is a witch
under water.  I can't quite place where I've heard this, probably Ogre at some
time or another.  Not much of the actual voice comes through and it is broken
up into little bits that bubble up.

I also like any sort of robotic distortion.  LFO's work is a good example.
The beginning of "There Is No Law" by Messiah also has a good variant on this
style.  How is this done?  Do you need a vocorder to do it?  How much do
vocorders run?
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From: mcelwee@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.rave
Subject: Re: "Injected With A Poison" sample source
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:11:01 GMT
Organization: Dis Organization

nivekogr@athena.mit.edu (Christopher M Teixeira) writes:
[Regarding Jim Jones-related samples in Praga Khan's "Injected With A Poison"]

>   I thought it was kind of chilling and amusing that a very popular song
> had samples concerning the Jonestown massacre.

Very popular?  I wouldn't have said so...how about "Lies" by EMF?  That was
a _real_ pop song, and the 12" version did have Jim Jones samples in it...
those ker-azy EMFers!

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 15:31:53 CDT
From: <U36300@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Lionel Richie Rules All!!!!!
 <1992Apr05.012302.28752@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us> <32125@darkstar.ucsc.edu>

>Haven't you heard - James Brown is dead!

no he's not he's hanging out with elvis!

rr
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From: lordbart@sol.acs.unt.edu (Williams Bartholomew Eston)
Subject: Lyrics request.
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:20:32 GMT

I was wondering if anyone had a copy of the lyrics to Stgimata(sp) by 
 Ministry.  If you do please send them to me.

THanks in advance.
-- 
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The present changes the past from moment to moment,
Only pray that the future will vindicate your actions.
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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: (Clan of) Xymox
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:39:02 GMT

In article <23123.29ddb5ed@amherst.edu> dljarman@amherst.edu writes:
>
>     While we have a Clan of Xymox (as opposed to the lame-o Just Xymox of the
>last two albums...) thread going on r.m.i., has anyone ever _seen_ a copy of
>their  _real_ debut, _Subsequent Pleasures_?  I'm not even sure if it exists
>or if it's just a tantalizing rumor.  Supposedly, only 5000 copies were
>produced and it's the original source of the "Muscovite Mosquito" track from
>_Lonely Is an Eyesore_.  I know this was before they were signed to 4AD, so
>I have no clue what label it would be on.  Please let me know if you have
>access to this.  My life would be complete if I were able to get a hold of
>this.  (Well, maybe not...)

Tower Records used to sell the CD, but I admit I haven't seen it for quite
a while. Perhaps you could still order it ....?

Mike
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From: mwlucas@vela.acs.oakland.edu (LUCAS MICHAEL W.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Bites & Remission
Summary: still available?
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:24:34 GMT
Organization: jOakland fUniversity, Rochester MI.


The shops around here haven't seen Puppy's Bites & Remission for a while.
Are these still available anywhere (preferably on CD)?  Am I going to be
kicking myself for the next year because I didn't buy an old vinyl copy 
when I had the chance?

Email replies, unless net.land has a burning interest in this.  Thanks.-- 
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From: daw50509@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Don A. Walthers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: m a n u f a c t u r e
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:29:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr6.222949.9158
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

"Jason K. Huang" <jh6o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:


>does anyone have any information on this band?
>a list of all their released albums and all band info would be appreciated.

>jason

>ps. i have a taped copy of one their albums, but no album title, nor
>track titles.  the second track starts off with the sample:"members of
>the earth have all reconciled that this is the last night of the
>world..." very techno-pop-like industrial. i'm pretty sure they're on
>WAX TRAX...and that it's prob. mid eigthies stuff...but that's all i
>know.

i picked up one of their cds - terrorvision - at rock records in chicago
they are on nettwerk and the cd was dated from 1990. i never heard them
before but the cover art resembled that of skinny puppy. to my suprise
the music was also similar, though, a little more techno. they even have
vocals on one song - as the end draws near. if you're a puppy fan -
you'll probably end up a manufacture fan.
From: djs6015@cs.rit.edu (Donald J Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: krank CHAOS
Keywords: John Murphy from Current 93
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:05:55 GMT
Organization: South Henrietta Community College (division of APEX tech)


just picked up an amazing CD called "krank CHAOS". It is performed by
John Murphy from Current 93. Its was first recorded it 1983 so it has 
the style of the early '80's industrial bands (like EN). I really
recommend it for those who are sick of dance music.



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Subject: Ministry lyrics wanted
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason steiner)
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:53:18 EST

i'm -sure- this is a FAQ but i haven't seen an answer anywhere, so....

where can i ftp lyrics to Ministry's Mind? i'd actually be happy with the
words to So What? but the whole thing would be cool. are there any listings
of sample sources for that song?

"I'll kill them all if i like..."
jason
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From: etamuzs1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: LYRIC REQUEST - NON
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:23:52 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College

In article <1992Apr16.174859.29073@athena.mit.edu> nivekogr@athena.mit.edu
(Christopher M Teixeira) writes:
>In article <jwells.0301@bfield.uucp> jwells@bfield.uucp (Justin Wells) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr14.174356.10965@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
>>bp271@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew N. Sharp) writes:
>>>COULD ANYONE FOWARD ME A COPY OF THE LYRICS TO
>>>'CRUENTA VOLUPTUS' BY NON?
>> 
>>Huh?  My copy of this, on the TYRANNY OF THE BEAT (mute/grey area)
compilation is just fluctuating noise?  Lyrics?  What copy do you have?
>> 
>>                                                     Justin
>   After numerous careful listenings I'd have to agree with Justin's
> appraisal -- nothing approaching lyrics to my ears.
>
> -Chris Teixeira
>

Uh, guys? I think it was a joke. There was a PS or a signature that pointed to
this too....can't remember what it was, though....

Edis
From: tisu@quads.uchicago.edu (Seth Tisue)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: United Dairies releases
Keywords: Nurse With Wound, Lemon Kittens, Tietchens
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:15:20 GMT
Reply-To: tisu@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Plaster Cramp Press

In article <31699@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> bkeeley@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Brian Keeley) writes:
>I was complaining to a mate the other day, that with the Industrial
>Records re-release going on with Mute/Grey Area, the only major
>industrial label not available on CD was United Dairies.  But then
>this weekend, I noticed that Nurse w/ Wound's _Chance Meeting on a
>Dissecting Table_ and their other early release on UD (the name
>escapes me) were out. (I assume this is a new development.  I had
>never seen them before. Correct me if I'm wrong.)  I assume that the
>NwW stuff has been released by the efforts of the band, and not as
>part of a bigger UD reissue project.

First of all, I thought that United Dairies was run by Steve Stapleton
-- is this a wrong impression I got somehow?

I've seen bunches of Nurse With Wound CD's (Sylvie and Babs, Chance
Meeting, A Sucked Orange, Live at Bar Maldoror, Swamp Rat, 150
Murderous Passions, Homotopy to Marie, possibly among others) and have
been seeing them for some time.  I haven't seen any other United
Dairies releases on CD, but this might just be because none of the
other UD artists are as, um, high-profile.

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From: watters@byron.u.washington.edu (Michael Watters)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: I like the way you fill out your clothes
Keywords: trainspotter
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:47:43 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr9.190024.712@canon.co.uk> tim@crash.canon.co.uk writes:
>``You wanna know something Red
>  I like you
>  I like everything about you
>  I like the way you fill out your clothes
>  I've gotta soak my head under your hose''
>
>So where's the sample from?
>
>Tx. [filling out his clothes]
>--
>-- Tim [O'Donoghue] <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <...!uunet!uknet!canon!tim>

Clothes Heist by Scraping Foetus off the Wheel.

-- 
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From: ajbennett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Andrew Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Recoil/Nitzerebb
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:38:43 GMT
Organization: Spandex Admirers Intl.

In article <1992Apr10.033858.23401@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, chm8v@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Chris "Dread" Mann) writes:
> Has anybody heard the new single by a band called Recoil?
> I think it has Douglas McCarthy from Nitzerebb singing and Alan
> Wilder from Depeche Mode doing the music.  Could this be because
> Alan helped Nitzerebb produce some of their last album?  The single 
> isn't bad and has 7 different versions.  It seems like an album will
> follow entitled _Bloodline_, hopefully it will be pretty good.

Alan Wilder has had earlier stuff released under the name of 'Recoil'.
Recoil is him and him alone.  On this upcoming album _Bloodline_, he
has gotten Doug McCarthy of Nitzer Ebb to sing on a track or two, along
with Toni Halliday of Curve on a track or two.  But they are no way in
Recoil.

The earlier stuff consited of two tracks, titled "1" and "2".  Each
are about 15 minutes long.  Three other tracks were released on
"Hydrology".  Another release appeared in the US from Enigma, which
has since gone under.  This release is tough to find.  It was titled
"Hydrology and 1 + 2", and contains the above mentioned items.  I
believe that this is available as an import from the UK label Mute.
His earlier stuff is not even close to "Faith Healer".  It's a lot
more ambient, and "1" and "2" contain several Depeche Mode samples.


Andrew
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From: as29482@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nalayak Kahinka)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Need names of good compilation CDs
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:37:58 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I have most of the Art of Mix series, few of the Razormaids, and Deep Heat
I am still looking for few more good compilation CD. I love a mixture
of industrial and house music. Please help !!! Also if you can name some
good stores in Chicago area where I can get these...
thanx
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From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: various (SRL, GPOrridge,
X-To: DANIEL PROSSER
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:45:00 GMT

DP>From: prosser@deluxa.cs.umass.edu (DANIEL PROSSER)
DP>        While in Boston this weekend, I picked up the latest copy of
DP>`Re/Search' (# 13, I think).  It's entitled ``Modern Primitives'' and is
DP>devoted to tatooing and body piercing.  As I was browsing through, I caught
DP>sight of a familiar name:  It seems that one of the articles deals with
DP>Genesis P. and Paula Orridge and the various parts of their bodies that
DP>they have pierced.  Any diehard fans out there should check it out.
DP>One of the illustrations shows them naked as hell displaying said
DP>parts (sort of an `Industrial American Gothic').

Although "Modern Primitives" is an excellent book, and everyone reading
this should check it out, it's not the latest Re/Search... just a couple
of months back, "Angry Women" was released.  I don't yet own it, but
I've flipped through it, and it looks quite nice as well.  Interviews
with Lydia Lunch, Annie Sprinkle, Karen Findley, and many others.
Definately on my "must buy" list.  (NOTE: an excellent companion volume
to "Angry Women" is "Twisted Sisters", a collection of work by a bunch
of female underground cartoonists that was published last year by
Penguin Books.  Includes work by Julie Doucet, Mary Fleener, Robert
Crumb's wife (I can't remember her fuckin' name! :-( ), and lots more.
Not exactly industrial, but tough shit!)

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From: james@sugaree.uu.net (James O. Payne, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: DEPECHE MODE MURDERS ROUTE 66
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:26:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: sugaree.1992Apr7.142605.161
Organization: IKEA US, Phila PA

In article <0E315UQ@mailgzrz.tu-berlin.de>, karnabba@w253zrz.tu-berlin.de (Alexander Karner) writes:
> By the way: Vince Clarke founded Yazzoo and Erasure, but he NEVER had 
> ANYTHING to do with YAZZ (I think this is (was) an american or a 
> "Stock, Aitken, Waterman" group!!).

In the states, the Yazzoo stuff was sold with the band name 'Yaz'.

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 15:50:15 CDT
From: <U30471@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: The SP tour..

  Well, i just saw an ad in the paper.. Skinny puppy will be at the VIC(chicago
theatere MAY 22, with godflesh as the opening act.  And it's all ages too.
The tickets go on sale tomorrow at noon...  I can't wait.. Though i would
have preferred a different opening act.. I had understood that murder inc
and KMFDM were prospects..  I would have much preferred either of these two.
I also wonder how much of the music will be off "Last rites".  Don't get me
wrong, i luv last rites, but it don't think it's appropriate for a concert.
( Not some of it anyways. )

--DAVE!!!!!!!!!
From: jwells@bfield.uucp (Justin Wells)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Rise of industrial music in australia!!!
Date: 28 Mar 92 12:03:55 EST
Organization: Bakers Field BBS

In article <1992Mar27.053126.24726@cc.uow.edu.au>, u9038752@cc.uow.edu.au
(roger bolton) writes:
>Theres some hope!
>Latest alternative/independant music chart shows "Jesus built my hotrod"
>is number 4 in Australia!!!
>Someone book ministry for Australia PLEASE!!!
>From ELDRITCH, your industrial correspondant downunder.
 
Sooner or later, I imagine every POP band has to go to Australia.
 

 
Justin Wells,
Industrial Semiotics (a division of CIIN)
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From: lancer@starbird.WPI.EDU (Stephen Lewis Foskett)
Subject: Re: Think Tree
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:47:50 GMT

>>>>> On 9 Apr 92 04:21:38 GMT, pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Here we go now...) said:
>So, does anyone else out there think this band is pretty good?  I seem to
>remember a thread about them here a few months ago...
Paul> I like their Ep 'Eight/Thirteen' which is more industrial-like than
Paul> their new release.  From limited listening, their new one didn't do
Paul> much for me.

From what I have heard, they are going back to a more industrialish sound.
More heavy synths and percussion sounds, though they are keeping their
guitars and accoustic elements.  Hopefully, they won't end up playing Trent
Reznorized synth-slop...

.s.
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From: jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu (Bromley, Jay W.)
Subject: 17 queer crystal players
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Keywords: let's have a jam!
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 08:43:00 GMT


are there any of you big crystal players out there? and I mean big crystals,
like Madagascar quartz.  I am. (a crystal player, that is)  if so, let
me know.  I'm looking to form a new band!  REALLY! 

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From: vcsc360@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU (Gabriel Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: FuckBlack
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:17:44 GMT

There is a Big Black album whos cover has a couple of fairly graphic
photos of some human head after some hororable accedent. God knows. I
can't remember the album name.  What I'd like is for someone who has
this album and a high-quality color scaner to digitize it and uplode it.
While your'e at it you can't post any good/bad industrial album covers.
Fuck shit up. 

-Gabriel Russell

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From: smedley@milton.u.washington.edu (William Warner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: thee temple ov psychic youth
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:37:06 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

u9038752@cc.uow.edu.au (roger bolton) writes:

>ok, what exactly is it?
>I gather it is a crowley like order silmilar to the order of the\
>golden dawn or the O.T.O, founded by P ORRIDGE??
>am I correct??
>OK now. HOW DO I JOIN??
>ELDRITCH

It's a fan club. Groupies follow psychic tv around.


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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: thee temple ov psychic youth
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 04:41:20 GMT

In <1992Apr6.042631.14815@cc.uow.edu.au> u9038752@cc.uow.edu.au (roger bolton) writes:
>ok, what exactly is it?

Hahahahahahahahaha.....

>I gather it is a crowley like order silmilar to the order of the\
>golden dawn or the O.T.O, founded by P ORRIDGE??

Sometimes you'd think that.  Genesis does collect Thelemite/Crowleyan
literature.  TOPY press has re-published at least one of his books
(as an import, it was listed as some incredibly exorbitant price at
the occult bookstore on Clark St. in Chicago), but I don't recall which
it was.

>OK now. HOW DO I JOIN??

The US TOPY Contact Point is in Denver.
I have an address for their press:

OV Press
P.O. Box 18223
Denver, CO 80218 USA

Don't know if they also handle membership, but I'm sure they could
point you in the right direction.
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          candy, but if you won't bend over for him, you get a beating
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