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From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Faves for Raves, ad nauseum
Organization: TFS
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 08:33:32 GMT

I have a friend who says:

"I think xxx'Incantations' contains a great version of the Song of Hiawatha.
It applies to the great Finnish epic 'The Kalevala'."

Don't know about that. I think Oldfield is boring, but of course, I've
only heard Tubular Bells, and a few cuts of what sounded like high-tech
dinner music from another housemate (guess I'm outnumbered.)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: keris@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Kayihan Eris)
Subject: HELP! Need music
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 05:13:09 GMT

 I've just discovered this newsgroup and was wondering whether anyone
could give me a list of some really good material (techno, rave).  
Raves haven't really hit Australia so its hard to find any good music, so
anyone down under know of any raves?

ki

.
!
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: kevinpuc@microsoft.com (Kevin Puckett)
Subject: Re: 808 and stuff
Date: 05 Sep 92 13:54:09 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

ok here is exactly what is on my copies of these records

[on the sticker - it reads]
808
state
let yourself go (303 mix)
let yourself go (d50 mix)
+
deepville
made in england
state 003   <-------this is what i am referring to

also printed on the center sticker...

produced by 808 state
for state 808 productions
all titles simpson, massey, price
copyright 88

...and engraved on the wax (along w/ other stuff) is 

adrenalin

and on quadrastate it has the code state 004
with this in mind, as i dont own newbuild a friend does and its code is
state 002? (or state 001?) so that should mean there is yet another early
piece of material by those guys.

as for the lfo whitelabel...
the sticker reads
L.F.O.
A.  Sonic Attack
AA. Lord Of Light
Cat No. BLEEP 3

thats it.
and lastly info for a sept. 5th rave in seattle.

                        E=mc^2 2

your hosts: the prophets of psyche announce a gathering of minds, body and
souls, swimming in an ocean of sound, light, lasers, video and good vibes - 
from 10pm-6am
saturday sept. 5, 1992
dj's
dominator - jerry pheonix - falix - qbert
with live performances by:
seattle techno house rhythm masters the prophets of psyche
plus special guest performance by dj selectah scorpio
3d video lasers adn special fx lights
130db sound and stage lights
smart drinks by cybercity
call for information
206-726-9062
special thanks to ---(ed. etc...)

there are little graphics on the flyer with sponsors like jive fresh, stussy,
av-pro, and underground dance music

the front side graphic is kinda interesting, something like a flower with
arms, hands, and a face, with very 'computer-generated-looking' bees flying
around.

my guess is theyll charge 15 bucks a head for it, and you probably wont
need a flyer (knock on wood), oh and it is 18 and over.
(some other graphic notes on the flyer include ---
free fruit and cereal breakfast at 6:00am
love
care-free (like the gumwrapper)
100% high nrg
games toys candy balloons
100% underground experience
peace
giant clown bounce
100% bust-free location (---hmm well see about that)
100% psychadelic

that about wraps it up for my chatter

soon to be .sig
"i dont think your happy enough." stimpy
kevinpuc@microsoft.com
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From: mikes@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Shou-Yung Shum)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Earliest use of "techno" to describe music?
Date: 9 Sep 1992 20:03:05 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1685DCE9F.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> eiverso@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>I'd like to find out when the word "techno" was first used to describe
>any music. The earliest reference I have found so far is a summer '78
>issue of Synapse which mentions the term "Techno-punk" in conjunction
>with the Screamers (California-based band). There *must* be earlier
>uses of the term "techno" as applied to music.
> 
the earliest use of the term "techno" as applied to actual "techno music"
(the one that had its genesis in detroit w/ may/saunderson/atkins) was in
may 1988 in an issue of _the face_ magazine...
(this is second-hand information from the british pop magazine _select_)

of course techno has been used forever to describe anything electronic...


yours,m
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: mikes@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Shou-Yung Shum)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: upcoming houston raves
Date: 9 Sep 1992 15:43:56 GMT
Organization: Rice University

there are raves in houston in the upcoming weeks:

sept 11  techntoeria (club rave)

sept 18  fantasy island 2:  mr roarke's revnge

sept 25  microrave

sept 26  rave two

i hav e more specific info if anyone wants it.

yours,m
From: jvance@maxwell.oac.uci.edu (Joachim Vance)
Subject: Re: 2 loong-lost tracks that worked well for me this weekend
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 12 Sep 92 10:37:04 GMT

droe@cs.tcd.ie (David Roe) writes:
>bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf)) writes:
>>	I listened to "In Dub" on Sunday night.  Absolutely incredible.  
>
> I've been waiting to hear _any_ RSW
>at a rave for a while (unlikely, but it has been getting better lately).

  Well if I ever play a big rave you'll be able to hear me mix in some
RSW.  The main problem with them is that almost all their songs are
way to slow.  "In Dub" is just that.  Dub, which is by nature fairly
slow.  The only RSW that I've managed to mix in successfully is
'Thunder'.  And even at +8 that is barely fast enough some times.

  I'll second the praise though.  I've loved "In Dub" since I first
heard it.  I know few people though who took such a liking to it.
--
Joachim Vance
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     I am antisesquipedalian--Opposed to the use of long words.
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty)
Subject: Re: Here's some info on 2 Seattle raves and 1 So. Cal rave
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 23:15:04 GMT

As for E=mc2, the rave with the colorful high-budget computer-graphics
flyer and more F-U-N mottos than you could shake a stick at...

Busted at 10:30 p.m., according to reports.

Now That's Entertainment!

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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: hwyman@next05cville.wam.umd.edu (The Hwyman)
Subject: HELP (Rave Newbie)
Keywords: clueless, but hoping to be clueful
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:19:38 GMT

I knew there was a newsgroup for everything!!!!

Anyways, I'm an absolute rave newbie.  I had several friends go to  
one during the summer, and they haven't stopped "raving" about it  
since then.
When I pressed for more details, they weren't really able to satisfy  
my curiosity. (Obviously, I've yet to go to one.)

Never the less, I was wondering if there was a FAQ list on rave  
available which someone could E-mail to me.  If not, could some  
enlightened rave addict(s) help me out?

Thanks!!!!!

Hwy


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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield Vs. The Orb (No, I'm Not Kidding!!!)
Date: 10 Sep 92 05:45:36 GMT
Organization: Lollapalooza Phoenix Eastern Mosh Pit Smoke-Mask Crew

rej@sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones) writes:

>>> On the other hand, Trevor Horn is producing the originals...... 
>>
>> What you mean "on the other hand," kemosabe? 
>
> You haven't heard "Jacky" yet, have you?  

Yup.  Liked it.

(Makes little notch-mark under "Trevor Horn" heading on the sideboard)

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: mmstahl@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (michael m. stahl)
Subject: Re: 808, Orb, Orbital, FSOL news
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:15:55 GMT

 808 state and renegade soundwave are supposed to be playing
 a warehouse gig in toronto in near future ...

mmstahl

Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: ghond@acca.nmsu.edu (ICE-9)
Subject: Re: What is techno, where is it going?
Organization: NOT
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 08:00:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep05.101453.8358@mixcom.com> jjyyjj@mixcom.com
(Thomas Mueller) writes:

> Now, I've made a lot of techno own my own, but I don't get much satisfaction
> out of what I've made, and I wonder what I'm missing, why I don't like it.

Awww, stuff that, Pope.  "Senator Jack Kennedy" rocks and you know it.  ;)

Seriously, this guy sent me a tape of his stuff, and he's much better than
he gives himself credit for.  Maybe he'll send you one too, if you ask him
nicely.

-- stephen
-- 
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ghond@sloth.nmsu.edu		| approach me in dread
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				| my love, and you're dead - not s. o'connor
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: UR & Richie Hawtin titles anyone???
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:38:15 GMT

edd709psft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:

>UNDERGROUND RESISTANCE
>----------------------

>UR are awesome, I can't understand why everyone on this newsgroup are still
>talking about old rave music in the Channel X, Praga Khan vein. Either
>you guys haven't heard much Plus 8 and Trescor stuff, or you're just not
>interested. C'mon, this stuff is the future, while rave music is turning
>commercial !!! Look at stuff like Two Unlimited. A year and a half ago their
>music would be really hard core, now it's just boring. 

I just got "X102 Discovers The Rings of Saturn" and "UR: Revolution for a
Change".  Initially, I'd have to say I'm unimpressed.  A lot of the Plus8
stuff is overhyped boringness.  Bleep blonk for a good seven minutes with not
a whole lot of variation.  UR tries to hype themselves into the hardcore
underground of the techno scene when in fact most of their work puts me to
sleep.

However, I was able to put some Plus8 yawner into an interesting mix with a
Bach Fugue almost completely by accident last weekend.  It does make for great
mix fodder (that is unless you have your own drum machine you can press a
button on).
-- 
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DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: History of Ambient (was Re: Mike Oldfield)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:19:38 GMT

In <SCHNIZER.92Sep14102214@hakobe.kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp> schnizer@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Schnizer Ansgar) writes:
>Lazlo Nibble:=+++ writes:
> +++ System 7 is a Steve Hillage project, for Christ's sake. 
>I would be happy if you could explain us about the roots of the Ambient 
>music style. Is Steve Hillage somebody who was doing similar music for 
>years and Ambient some kind of fusion of Techno with some other style(s)?
>So this is the question about the history of Ambient music.

Ambient is certainly influenced by the older stuff.  Hillage reportedly got
involved in the new scene when he went to a rave and found Alex Patterson
(of the Orb) mixing some of his old guitar work into music in the "chill out"
room.  He had been doing "progressive" rock since the 70's (or even
the 60's, I don't recall offhand what bands he was in, just that he's an
underground guitar hero).

> +++dinosaur prog 
>dinosour prog, maybe you also could describe this?

Bands that were once progressive, but now are pretensious.  See Pink Floyd,
Yes, Rush, etc.  Genesis would be in this category, but they've become
pop instead of pretensious.
-- 
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          candy, but if you won't bend over for him, you get a beating
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 7 Sep 1992 23:23:08 CDT
From: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: raves in Chicago

Does anyone know of any raves that will be in Chicago in the next few weeks?

From a rave virgin-

Jason Kratz
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: nivekogr@athena.mit.edu (Christopher M Teixeira)
Subject: Re: Kamikaze = Kill $ ???
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:45:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.104126.1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au> edd586ysft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>
>
>I'm curious.....
>
>I'm wondering how many people out there have a copy of "Kamikaze" by W.P.A.
>(alias Underground Resistance).  What I wanna know is how much they paid for
>it.
>
>I paid $18 Australian, for the thing.  It has just the one track (which bear in
>mind is pretty good), and no B side... yep, just all LSD messages written all
>over where the B side track should be.
>
>I gather, becuase of that, people in the US should be paying about $5 at the 
>most, cause I really consider playing $18 for a track to be pushing shit up
>hill, even if the place I got it from does have to import the tracks.
>
>Oh well, such is life....
>
>J.
>
>3030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303
>edd586ysft@vx24.monash.cc.edu.au
>
From: laural@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.l.la gassa)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: DJs talking
Keywords: When should they?
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:23:24 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep15.182926.29546@sco.COM> jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car) writes:
>
>eda735a@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (P.E. Mazur) writes:
>>This issue about DJs talking over music is very interesting.  When DJs dont
>>talk, they get told "Hey man dont you ever say anything?".
>
>But DJs?
>Talking?  Never!  What's there to say?

At a very small very great rave a few weeks ago the DJ got a little talkative, 
like
	"Yo yo, we got acid in the house"

and stuff like that.  It was highly amusing since the DJ also worships Frankie 
Bones, who has occasionally been known to say things like

	"Yo yo, we got 100% hardcore in the house"

Ha ha.

Laura
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: NE-RAVES list
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:07:44 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

Thanks to those who helped. Here's the NE-raves info:

======================================================

Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 23:55:06 -0400
From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (You're just such a toady)
To: betsys@ra.cs.umb.edu

NE-RAVES: You're subscribed!
Welcome to NE-Raves!
 
NE-Raves is mainly for the discussion of Techno Music and upcoming raves in 
the NorthEast Area. It's intention is to give people on the East 
Coast a place to exchange information, like SfRaves does for the 
Bay Area and surrounding cities in California. 
 
To send mail to the list, address it to ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu
 
For Subscription/Unsubscription problems and questions, send mail to
ne-raves-request@silver.lcs.mit.edu [which will foreward to me]
 
Your list moderator is.. me :) jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu! Many thanks to
cutter for setting up the list software...
 
Techno nights at Boston Clubs:
------------------------------
You can usually find us Boston NE-Rave idiots at Venus de Milo on thursdays,
and Axis on Fridays... Saturdays is techno night at the Loading Zone.

Providence
-----------------------
Events are held at the Church House Inn, On Tuesdays... 

Spread the word! NeRaves is ALIVE!
 
 //John\\

Back "issues" of NE-Raves are digested in a monthly format. If you're intrested
in getting messages, specify a month, and I'll get it to you..
FTP archive sites are coming.. :)

NE-Raves was created in May of '92!

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From: eda747nsft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: HARDWARE 3
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:28:55 GMT

HARDWARE 3





HARDCORE




DJS, FULL COLOUR LASER SYSTEM, OLD 2 STOREY WAREHOUSE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF
MELBOURNES CITEE.



STARTS 10 PM. YOU KNOW WATIMEAN !



WEDNESDAY 23RD SEPTEMBER (SHOW DAY EVE) SEE YOU THERE !
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Reality Rave
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:03:49 GMT

wyller@gagme.chi.il.us (wyller) writes:

>Alot of my time aside from dancing was spent talking to the promoters.  My
>multimedia group will probably be doing visuals at their future events.
>(if anyone else does visuals for raves - contact me, I have an idea about
>hooking up raves electronically).

What a great idea!  How much does it cost to uplink and downlink to a
satellite?  Imagine a New Years rave that is has New York, Chicago, San
Francisco, and SaLt LiCk cItY linked together via satellite.  Large screens
and DJs going at it in individual cities, but only one at one time.

BTW, Orb in Roswell is most likely a cloud of smoke.  Sorry I got everyone
excited about it.  If it is any consolation, I'm going to try and bring them
here.
-- 
	"Oh, save me from these pale green pants with nobody inside!"

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Xref: sparky alt.rave:2923 alt.censorship:7384
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.rave,alt.censorship
Subject: E's are good (Re: UNIVERSE - mind, body, soul and the Universe...)
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:04:21 GMT
Organization: me myself and i

rjg@rabbit.cs.bham.ac.uk (Robin J. Green) writes:
:
|P.S. Try that Acid mix of Ebeneezer Goode on the EP at 45 and -8 on your
|     Technics. Mental..

I was surprised that the Shamen could get away with releasing "Ebeneezer
Goode" given the current anti-E climate that exists in the UK. Straight
in at number 6 as well. "Sorted".

Tx. [E's are good, E's are good, E's are good, he's Ebeneezer Goode]
-- 
Tim F O'Donoghue <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <uunet!canon!tim>
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: 2 loong-lost tracks that worked well for me this weekend
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:06:25 GMT

jvance@maxwell.oac.uci.edu (Joachim Vance) writes:

>The only RSW that I've managed to mix in successfully is
>'Thunder'.  And even at +8 that is barely fast enough some times.

I've always felt that Biting My Nails works well.  Chuck on the Soundwave
after Orb, hit them with the slow stuff after they're gasping for air from the
fast stuff.  Straight hardbeat all night long tends to numb me.
-- 
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DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: fsjjl@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: LFO track listing
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:33:41 GMT

Maybe this has been discussed, but I just bought LFO "Frequencies" and there
seems to be a difference between the track listing and the actuall order of the
songs.  Anyone know anything about this?
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From: lakata@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Mark Lakata)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: move me
Date: 9 Sep 1992 17:45:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

>I like your double-mirror servo idea but I think it would be too slow to use
>as a 'scope.  Maybe you could just mount the non-rotating mirror on the cone
>of a 15" woofer.  You would still want a variable speed motor on the other
>one to control the retrace period.

The amplitude of a speaker goes something like the reciprocal of the frequency
squared.  In otherwords, the high frequency components of a speaker's
amplitude are practically zip.  In plain English, you will only see
sine waves if you bounce the laser off a mirror on the speaker, unless you
move the beam very slow (retrace period on the order of 1 Hz).  At that speed
you might get more interesting traces.
I've tried the above suggestion and it really doesn't work.

Mark

what is really impressive are the "pro" laser systems that can scan a picture
of discrete dots.  Anybody know how much a real laser system costs?
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: marmoset@mondo.engin.umich.edu (Dave Walker)
Subject: Re: 808 AND ALTERN-8 - WHATS THE BIG DEAL?
Organization: U of Michigan Computer Aided Engineering Network
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:33:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.203836.1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au> eda747nsft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>
>
        <a few dozen lines of high-decibel ranting deleted>

>I THINK 808 AND ALTERN-8 HAVE NOW TURNED THE LEAF OF THE LIKES OF ADAMSKI,
>AND K-KLASS .. SELL OUTS..
>
>
>ANY OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE SHARE MY VIEW (OPINION THAT IS)
>


Um. No.  Your caps lock key is pushing 150BPM or so, though.

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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: move me
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:04:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.123529.6733@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>In article <1992Sep08.202022.22101@crash>, tfinn@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier) writes:
>>	Also... someone needs to hook up a mirror to a servo somehow so
>>it responds to voltage levels, then have another rotating mirror at the
>>other end of your contraption, shine a laser through the whole thing, and
>>blam! You've got yourself a larger than life oscilloscope! Man would that
>>be awesome... :)

I've done with with a pair of galvometers with front surface mirrors
attached.  The problem is conservation of momentum.  The galvo
is a complex damn system, and to get it to keep from ringing whenevr
you make a sharp turn, you have to have a real control system to
damp out oscillations.

Not that it's useless...it's still kinda neat, but has a very
limited frequency range.  Oscilloscopes don't, since they are just
electronically steered electron beams, and those electrons don't
weigh too much :)

-CyberTom


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