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From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: problems with lucid dreaming
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:23:38 GMT
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.

In article <myF1XB1w164w@cellar.org> wfk@cellar.org (William F. Kershner) writes:
>ucc_sbh@pip.shsu.edu (Steven Barrett Hurd) writes:
> 
>> I guess now I am trying too hard, because every time I realize that I am
>> dreaming and I can do anything I want, I wake up.
>> 
>> This is always preceded by an intense fear that I am going to wake up 
>> before I can accomplish anything.
>> 
>> Any suggestions?
>
>I've read in this newsgroup and in a book I bought entitled _Lucid_Dreaming_
>that spinning your "dream body" could keep you from awakening.  My
>experience so far has been that I am not able to spin when I try.  But give
>it a try. I'm sure it's different for everyone.  Try spinning, it may work. 
>Read the FAQ on the subject of Lucid Dreaming, it was posted a while back. 
>It answers a lot of questions and recommends some good reading.

LaBerge's spinning technique is for when you've already been lucid for
a while, but are starting to lose it.  I don't think it's been used for
stabilizing initial lucidity.  Trying to use it for that might make things
worse.

If you are feeling "intense fear" over ANYTHING, you are much more likely
to wake up.  What is so scary about waking up too soon?  Frustration, I
can understand.  "Intense fear" sounds a little exaggerated.

Still, it sounds like you're in a bind.  People's first few attempts at
lucidity often stumble.  Just cut yourself a little slack, enjoy your
dreams for what they are, lucid or not, and don't get too excited or
frustrated about it.
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.out-of-body
From: spinaa@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
Subject: Re: Morning Paralysis / Old Hag - my way
Keywords: Old Hag
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:32:06 GMT

In article <5060@svin09.info.win.tue.nl> pieterf@win.tue.nl writes:
>
>  * FEELING OLD HAG 'COME' FROM THE DREAMSTATE
>             On several occasions I 'knew' during a dream that I'd wake
>             up in old hag.
>   ... [stuff deleted] ... 
>                               It was like being slapped in the face,
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>             breathtaking and again, very fast. Like some undefinable
>             aha-erlebnis or some realization. (I'm trying to describe
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>             the related emotion). Then I'd feel light, floating, and
>             knowing I'd wake up with old hag, which then I did.

My 'old hag' experiences come only from dreams, for some reason. But each time,
there is a period of a few seconds where I have the slap-in-the-face or
sudden realization feeling just before the experience starts. But in my case,
the realization is associated with thoughts/images of a ghost or dead person
rather than a texture as in your case.

I wonder if this "realization" feeling is universal in experiences like this.

-Matt
From: nightsng@anarky.tch.org (Nightsong)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Kava Kava
Date: 24 Jan 93 08:18:59 GMT
Organization: The Canned Ham, San Jose, CA (408) 971-8530

> In other ways too, herbs have much to contribute to the dreamer,

It seems that people keep commenting on herbs, and other such things, as 
doing certain things for dreaming.  I have actually found music quite 
satisfactory.  Usually, my dreams look, sound, and feel better (*AND* it 
is easier to realize I am dreaming and take advantage of it) if I am 
listening to Enya's music.

-Nightsong
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason)
Subject: lucidity vs awareness
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:01:46 GMT

I often have dreams in which I am aware and dreaming.  I find however, that
there is a distinct step from being aware that you are dreaming to becoming
lucid.  Becoming lucid seems to envolve taking control of the dream
eviroment or something, I'm not sure what.  I just know that there is a 
definite step, and that it is very difficult for me to make without waking.
It is not as simple as realizing you are dreaming and you are lucid.  I
have been lucid dreaming for about three months (about the same time that
I have been reading this newsgroup.  I have lucid dreams almost every
night now.  Mostly in the morning, actually, between when I wake up and
when I actually get up.  A question to those more experienced at it.  Does
this step ever become easier or do you just get used to it?

Katherine Merle Mason
Ne Oublie....
From: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Erik Radmall)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: dream genesis
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:41:11 GMT
Reply-To: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation

In article 0@elara.esl.acs.cmu.edu, Ken Zuroski <kz08+@andrew.cmu.edu> () writes:
>Hm. Well, here's what happened to me the other night.
>
>Now, it would be enormously coincidental that I would cry out right at the
>exact moment in which a sound effect was needed in my wife's dream. But the
>only other answer is that I cried out first and my wife built all or part
>of a dream around that stimulus. In other words, she heard some sort of
>a cry of anguish and then had to conjure a scenario in her head in which
>that made sense. This made me wonder if ALL dreams are this way: they
>are a response to stimuli we hear while we sleep, or perhaps are responses
>to things we think of as we sleep. It's only in retrospect that we think
>that the dream had a more normal, linear time flow. After all, time sort
>of turns off when we sleep anyhow; who knows in what other way the
>brain and reinterpret the sensation of time.
>
>What do you think? Is this something that's well-understood?
>
>Ken

This is a common enough phenomenon with most people I've talked to about
it. It seems that the mind does have a way of propagating time backwards
in dreams to suit an external stimulus. I recall reading an article about
this somwhere, but I don't have any sources handy.
From: phuyg@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr P V Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Orgasm during dream
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:00:07 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <dagger.727920984@camelot> dagger@camelot.bradley.edu (David Rybolt) writes:
>I've read somewhere that when women orgasm in a dream... They actually
>have one in real life... but when men orgasm in a dream... they don't
>actually orgasm...
>I believe it was becuase it takes more energy for a man to orgasm.


  Well, i can disprove this because i'm male and i've had orgasms in dreams
and bodily at the same time (woken up during or just after), as i wrote
in a previous article...

  But to tell you the truth, it's really not all that pleasant coz it's
really annoying to have to get outta bed bleary eyed, stagger into the
bathroom and dry off your shorts and clean up with sheets of toilet roll,
then have to wipe down the bed and end up sleeping in a wet patch
hoping beyond hope that it dries b4 your mother notices

Paul V. Smith
From: gopher@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Chris Bovitz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: false awakenings
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:01:18 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1993Jan21.213028.18265@ncsu.edu> mssande1@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL SHANE SANDERS) writes:
>
>
>    I often have false awakenings ( usually one every couple of weeks ).
>This is usually the way I notice I'm dreaming and go lucid.  Now, every time 
>I "wake up" I do a reality check to find out if I'm still dreaming.  This
>seems to work well, but, even after going lucid I can't always move.  It's
>as if I were paralized.  During my false awakenings I am almost always in
>the same room in which I am really sleeping.  I try to get up and look around 
>but I can only move my eyes.
>         Does anyone else have this problem?  Is it common?  Does anyone 
>         know any techniques used to start moving?

When I am "falsely awake like that", I don't recognize it at first, but then 
something "wrong" or "scary" happens and I realize where I am.  I too am 
paralized in that state.  I tell myself "you're not awake yet! you're not 
awake yet!" and that pulls me into real consiousness.  After I do get fully 
consious, I feel really spent, but it wears off quickly.

Sometimes when I am *really* tired, I sleep for about 1/2 hour, and I start
dreaming right away after I fall asleep.  Usually the dream is a very intense
one, but I wake up and go to sleep as usual.  Anyone else have this experience?


Chris

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From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dreaming in Puns
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:16:45 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau33.ira.uka.de

In article <1993Jan22.154008.4544@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
> I (semi-regularly) dream in puns. Although the list of these dreams is too
> long to enumerate in a short time, here are a couple of examples (I warn
> you, they may be unpleasant!):
> I am in a library looking at a book. There are pictures of the rear ends
> of animals I have never seen. I look on the front of the book to see what
> the title is. The title is "Wierd Tails".

*grin* Sounds like a particularly beautiful ;-) instance of the usual
thought-corruption in dreams. It also matches the special dream-logic,
especially if you are used to puns.

Perhaps this is common. I can vaguely remember such dreams too.

Olaf
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From: pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Dreaming in Puns
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:40:08 EST
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

I (semi-regularly) dream in puns. Although the list of these dreams is too
long to enumerate in a short time, here are a couple of examples (I warn
you, they may be unpleasant!):

I am in a library looking at a book. There are pictures of the rear ends
of animals I have never seen. I look on the front of the book to see what
the title is. The title is "Wierd Tails".

There is a commercial on TV. We see a middle-aged executive in his office.
He calls in his staff. They all come in and line up. He says "You're all
fired!". The get somewhat belligerent. He produces an *aerosol can* and
sprays his former staff. They leave quietly. The executive turns to the
camera, smiles, and says: "It was easy! I used CanUsAll!" (Or, if you like,
"Canosol").

Any comments (other than my lousy spelling, punctuation, etc...)



Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: watpod78@superior.carleton.ca (Phil Culhane)
Subject: Flying in dreams
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:57:15 GMT

Hi all.  God, I love this newsgroup.  Helps me to keep from feeling
_too_ crazy!

Re-subscribed to alt.dreams after a month off (not good to be reading
newsgroups during exams) and decided, based on the topic at hand, to
try my luck at flying.  I'd only experienced it once or twice before,
but it's the greatest.  Anyone who found lucidity would give up drugs,
I'm sure!

Anyhow, only took two nights of telling myself "tonight I'm gonna
fly."  Last night, somewhere in a dream, I said "hey, this is a dream,
I'm lucid".  Of course, the biggest problem of making this realization
is that I get so excited that I have to fight to stay asleep.  Common
problem?  Relaxed a bit, then just decided to fly around for a while.

Who needs drugs?  We have lucidity!    *grin*

Phil
From: fiona@cs.strath.ac.uk (Fiona F Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Nightmares
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:13:42 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

I had the most terrifying dream the other night.  I was in a hospital
(a nurse) and we had a difficult patient.  I had to change the light
bulb to please her.  I changed one light to a black bulb and the other
to an orange one.  I went into the lift and a colleague I work with
was already in it.  We were on the top floor and I pressed the ground
floor button.  The lift went down OK at first but when it came to
the fifth floor it snapped and fell to the bottom.  I woke up at
the moment the lift hit the bottom (presumably killing me and my
colleague).  Needless to say I was scared out of my wits and had
to pinch myself to see if I was still living!

Anyone have any idea what it could mean?

Fiona
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: aec1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Allen Chen)
Subject: Dream'92 Experiment Results
Keywords: Dream'92
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:45:27 GMT

Well, folks, the Dream'92 Experiment is officially over.  I'm sorry to say
that the experiment was pretty much a flop.  I had a total of 4 dream
reports.  Three reported actually reaching the ship and the fourth reported
thinking of the ship but never reaching it.  Of the 3 ship reports, all the
descriptions of the ships were completely different.  I didn't really see any
correlations whatsoever between the dream reports.  I'd like to thank everyone
who participated, even if they didn't make it to the ship.

If anyone has an idea for an experiment that might yield more results, post
about it!  Happy dreaming!

-------
Allen Chen
aec1@cornell.edu
-------
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: justin@hp750.me.engr.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan)
Subject: Re: time flow
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 07:26:53 GMT

phuyg@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr P V Smith) writes:

>In article <1993Jan22.152645.25572@mlb.semi.harris.com> bwm@mongoose.ess.harris.com (Bruce McIntosh) writes:
>  I've heard that dreams only last a couple of minutes, and that the longest
>duration of REM (rapid eye movement) sleep was only about 10 minutes
>and i've had personal experience of this one moring, when, being particularly
>lazy, i stayed in bed till 3pm when i wasn't really tired at all.. i kept
>drifting off into sleep to experience a dream that seemed to me to last
>at least an hour, and waking up to find only a few minutes had passed.
>At first i thought my clock was buggered, but checked it to my watch
>and it was fine.. was quite bizarre but then i found the idea of having
>an hours experience in 3 minutes quite attractice and drifted off to have
>many more dreams till i finally got out of bed to do something in real life ;)

How odd.. I can remember (on several ocassions) being awakened by something
(too hot, loud noises outside, etc.) during an interesting dream, noting
the time, and then dozing off again, dreaming the whole time. When I wake up,
many hours have passed (three or four), and I'm sure I've dreamt the whole
time.. I must add, though, that the amount of information that can be packed
into this time of REM activity is phenomenal. On one occasion, I remember
reliving most of my life in one of these 'extended-play' :) dreams.
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: mssande1@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL SHANE SANDERS)
Subject: false awakenings
Originator: mssande1@c00060-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: mssande1@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL SHANE SANDERS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:30:28 GMT



    I often have false awakenings ( usually one every couple of weeks ).
This is usually the way I notice I'm dreaming and go lucid.  Now, every time 
I "wake up" I do a reality check to find out if I'm still dreaming.  This
seems to work well, but, even after going lucid I can't always move.  It's
as if I were paralized.  During my false awakenings I am almost always in
the same room in which I am really sleeping.  I try to get up and look around 
but I can only move my eyes.
         Does anyone else have this problem?  Is it common?  Does anyone 
         know any techniques used to start moving?

Any help would be apprieciated.
From: son@po.cwru.edu (Steve Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Re:dying in dreams
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:32:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve Univ
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62088.student.cwru.edu

>If you change your impression of your dream to one that is more open to the 
>idea of leaving one's body inthe dream, you will be able to acheive 
>something truly remarkable.
>Think of the dream as not being scary. Although this can be difficult at 
>times, it can and will be done. What part of the dream/nightmare frightens 
>you the most when you dream of these types of dreams?
>Yes, this is short.
>I'll make up for that some time.

It's not that the dreams frighten me.  They involve a lot of sensory
detail and The feeling of dying is usually very clear (sometimes my
life just slips away and sometimes it leaves in a rush, but it's 
always the same type of feeling just at different speeds), but I
proceed through the dream in a very non-lucid state.  I never know
quite what the hell is going on until I'm actually dying, and 
sometimes not even then.  The sole exception is the dream where I
get chewed to death by the fangs of big, hairy tarantulas, but all
the others are just puzzling and tend to rob me of sleep.  Any 
other ideas (though I will try what you said about thinking of being
chewed up by large spiders as not scary).
From: son@po.cwru.edu (Steve Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Dying in dreams
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:56:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve Univ
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62088.student.cwru.edu
Summary: Does anyone else die in their dreams?

	Hey, does anyone else die in their dreams?  Since about the middle
of November the death nightmares I've had on occasion for a few years just
started going nuts on me.  I usually die from vampires and werewolves, and
this was no exception, but a bunch of new ones cropped up and I had over a
dozen death nightmares.  I've been killed by:  hordes of tarantulas, guitar
strings, poinsetta plants, the thing in the movie PREDATOR, about seven of
those liquid-metal guys in TERMINATOR 2 (only they were harder to kill, 
somehow), Frankenstein (who put me in a huge washing machine with a bucket
of razor blades), a rattlesnake, and electrical current (I was a vampire
biting into another who was biting into another, who was chomping on a live
cable).  I'm sure I've forgotten one or two, but some were recurrent.  
Sometimes it's an out of body experience (so I onle have to SEE myself die),
but I'm often not that lucky.  Does anyone else dream like this?  It's not
pleasant and it's not conductive to sleep.  Any ideas?

	--==>>Degge<<==--
From: fishbone@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Greg Fishbone)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dying in dreams
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:44:49 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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Steve Nelson (son@po.cwru.edu) wrote:

: 	Hey, does anyone else die in their dreams?  

[Description ommitted.]

I don't know whether it has anything to do with my own personal idea of
death, but when I have a dream like this I don't think of it as such a
big deal.  When I was in third grade, I had a dream in which I killed
myself and became an angel.  The death part wasn't nearly as disturbing
as the stuff that came after it!

: Sometimes it's an out of body experience (so I onle have to SEE myself die),
: but I'm often not that lucky.  Does anyone else dream like this?  It's not
: pleasant and it's not conductive to sleep.  Any ideas?

Come back as a ghost and keep dreaming.  You might even be able to get
revenge on whatever killed you.

: 	--==>>Degge<<==--

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From: lrumsey@nyx.cs.du.edu (-Linda-)
Subject: Re: Orgasm during dream
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Center for the Study of Creative Intelligence
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 03:39:49 GMT

I've had -many dreams of which an orgasm occured... strictly in the dream
perhaps <as I didn't wake up> and those that I woke up having the most
delightful orgasm.

What a way to drift back to sleep...



--
            there is an awakening...

        and -all that remains is true...
                                                       -Jim Morrison-
From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Kava Kava
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:50:46 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau30.ira.uka.de

In article <1993Jan20.112032.1@wizard.colorado.edu> windsphire@wizard.colorado.edu writes:

> Blends of essential oils are effective too. Try putting some on your 
> forehead before you nod off. Experiment with the 'magickal' blends for
> planetary energies... esp. Neptune, and come to your own conclusions. 

The more mundane things can help too - I have often used a rather
heavy dosage of a blend (*) consisting mainly of peppermint and
eucalyptus to cure colds, and I've always had the impression that it
improved dreaming... I'm not really sure if the illness itself had an
effect too (it was not that bad to be feverish) but I strongly suspect
the essence did its part. I'm occasionally using it, but not often
enough to gain statistical data.

(*) If anybody cares: the substance is sold in Europe under the name
"Olbas" for almost any sort of pharmaceutical purposes, and it is a
very good thing.

Olaf
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: bwm@mongoose.ess.harris.com (Bruce McIntosh)
Subject: time flow
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:26:45 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne  FL

Does anyone have observations on how the flow of time in dreams compares to
real time? It would seem from my own experience that quite a bit can happen
in a dream that is not very long in realtime. Does lucidity have any impact
on this? Just curios. Thankyou.

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu 
Subject: Dream Culture
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:56:56 GMT

Someone was asking about the culture in which lucid dreaming was practiced.
I teach Psych 100 and the culture is the Senoi. What I can't remember is
the name of the anthropologist who studied them.  As I recall, children
were taught to control their dreams.  Daily "dream therapy" took place at
the breakfast table.  If a child had a frightening dream in which he was
chased by a bear, for example, the parents would encourage him to have the
same dream that night and face and conquer the bear.  It was also said that
this was an incredibly peaceful society that seemed to run smoothly with no
need for laws or police.
                              Renee

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