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From: "geoffrey liu" <geoffrey.liu@canrem.com>
Subject: link error! help!!!
Reply-To: "geoffrey liu" <geoffrey.liu@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:23:13 EST

UN:

        Hi. Do someone out there know what a group is? I've got a too
many group definition in one module error when I tried to link a
program (in QB 4.5) to an EXE. The error was: L1050, too many groups in
one module. I've split the module into four, and still the modules won't
compile. If someone could tell me waht a group is, maybe then I can
track down the problem.

        Any help would be appreciated.

                   :) Geoff     geoffrey.liu@canrem.uucp
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Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: stevepo@microsoft.com (Steven Podradchik)
Subject: Re: PDS 7.1 and VB for DOS
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:31:46 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: Basic

VB/DOS Pro has every language feature that Basic PDS 7.1 with the following
exceptions:

1.  VB/DOS Pro has a new OPTION EXPLICT directive that tell the environment
and compiler to enforce that variables must be declared (e.g. DIM foo as integer)
before used.  Stops typos.  This is optional so the default is such that you
can still say something like x=2 anywhere and it works.  This can be set at the
module level so different modules in one project can be configured differently
(handy for mixing old code w/ new code)

2.  VB/DOS has 386-specific code generation.  The first Microsoft compiler
to offer this feature.

3.  VB/DOS Pro does not use the same monolithic overlay system that Basic PDS
had.  Rather, it uses the multiple in-memory overlay system that Microsoft
C/C++ 7.0 uses -- MOVE.

4.  VB/DOS Pro stores string literals (like PRINT "Steve") in FAR MEMORY
when compiled.  Basic PDS stored these in precious dGroup.

5.  VB/DOS Pro has no OS/2-specific features and cannot compile an OS/2-specific
.EXE file.

6.  VB/DOS, like VB/Win, uses Far Strings only.  The vast majority of all
commercial addon packages already use Far Strings so this should be no
problem for most people.  FWI -- Far Strings allow VB/DOS to use all the
DOS memory your machine has available, near strings are limited to 64K
of total string space.  Far strings have also been highly speed tuned for
real-world code so, in most real (as opposed to contrived benchmarks)
apps, Far strings are at least as fast as near strings.

7.  Of course, VB/DOS also uses the same forms/events/controls model that
VB/Win pioneered.  That's why VB/DOS is highly compatible with VB/Win.
At the same time, you can create apps that are a hybrid of both existing
QB/PDS procedural and new VB-style event code.
Thanks, Steve Podradchik, Product Manager, Microsoft VB for MS-DOS


Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: stevepo@microsoft.com (Steven Podradchik)
Subject: Re: How do I use QB/EVGFX with Quick Basic?
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:38:50 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: na

Use the LIB utility provided to combine multiple .libs into one .lib file.
Then use the /Q option on the linker to create a QuickLib version of the
above library.  After that, you would simply invoke QB with something like:

QB /l NewLib (note that you do not say /l NewLib.LIB!)

The Make .EXE command would automatically find the NewLib.Lib when
compiling.

thanks, Steve
From: grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (George Torralba)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: Cursor Control
Date: 3 Oct 92 07:32:21 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

Other than calling Int 10, what other ways are there to control the cursor.
I'm using Int 10, 1 right now but the cursor gets restored after I exit
my program.  

George



Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: stevepo@microsoft.com (Steven Podradchik)
Subject: Re: VB/DOS
Date: 05 Oct 92 17:54:08 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <Oct.2.12.59.56.1992.5401@gandalf.rutgers.edu> cermak@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rob Cermak) writes:
>What is the difference between VB/DOS standard and VB/DOS professional...

1.  Speed.  Pro has: 286 and 386/486 code optimization, alt math for floating
point math as much as 300% faster than Std.
2.  Capacity.  Both Std and Pro will use EMS/XMS within the environment
but Std cannot make an .EXE larger than 640K.  Pro uses the same MOVE
overlay technology that MS C/C++ 7.0 has (can keep multiple
overlay segments in memory at once, unlike the PDS overlay system that
could only store one overlay).
3.  Power.  Integrated database engine(ISAM), tools for creating custom
controls (Std can only USE custom controls), CodeView, MS Source Code
Profiler, Charting toolkit (charting based on MS Excel charting), Font
Toolkit with several Bitstream (tm) fonts in various sizes, Help Toolkit
that makes it easy to add hypertext on-line Help to your apps, Setup
toolkit that lets you create attractive Setup programs, Matrix Math toolkit,
etc.

>I was lead that the VB/DOS Pro was to be released at an educational
>price of $49.95.  When I ordered, I thought for sure I would get the
>VB/DOS professional after they looked up my previous information and
>found that I was using MS PDS BASIC 7.1 -- I didn't ask for a down grade.
Sorry if that was confusing.  The vast majority of all academic users
do not need Pro power so we do not make an academically priced
Pro product (nor did we ever make a PDS acad priced version).
Pricing recap:
VB/DOS Std Edition.  $199 Suggested retail.  $99 upgrade from QB, PDS,
   VB/Win, any commercial version of Basic (excludes QBasic, BasicA, and
   GWBasic), or any Borland language.
VB/DOS Pro Edition.  $495 SRP.  $199 upgrades from same.
VB/DOS Academic Single User Edition.  $49.95.  Absolutely identical to
   Std ... same files, same docs, etc.
VB/DOS Academic 10 pack.  $199.  One set of 3.5" and one set of 5.25"
   Std disks, 1 set of Std docs, and a license to duplicate 9 more sets
   of disks.
Note that you can get the regular priced AND upgrade boxes from your local
software store (Egghead, CompUSA, Software City, etc.), or a mail order software
house like Programmer's Paradise, Programmer's Shop, or Programmer's
warehouse.  The price of the regular priced versions may be a little different
but the upgrade boxes will be about the same price regardless of whom you
buy from (incl. directly from MS).

>
>Before I send it back...please tell me the added features and if this
>SWITCH is going to cost me additional $$ (plus POSTAGE!).
The switch will cost you the difference between the academic priced
box ($49.95) and the Pro upgrade ($199).  Not sure about the postage.
Call MS at 800-992-3675 for details.

Thanks,
Steve Podradchik, Product Manager, VB/DOS
From: robin@vipunen.hut.fi (Jarto 'Robin' Tarpio)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: Re: VBDOS a Disappointment to me
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:40:39 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <1992Sep25.222416.19318@microsoft.com> fredf@microsoft.com (Fred Freeland) writes:
> Obviously it cannot be totally code compatible with Visual Basic for Windows
> because it runs in a totally different environment and things are handled
> differently between the two environments. Sorry, this is a fact of life.

	How come ? There are windows, that can very well be drawn without
	MS Windows. VB doesn't multitask, so that is not a problem either.

> You have very obviously misunderstood what this product is. It is not the
> programming package for DOS that's going to let you write DOS apps that
> simply look like they are Windows apps.

	Put that in you adverizements.

> DOS is a character-based medium.

	DOS is NOT a character-based medium. DOS has lousy segments, but
	it can use the mouse and graphical screens. 

> True, there
> are custom graphical packages that run under DOS, but VB/DOS is not one
> of them, and is was never advertised as such.

	Visual Basic for DOS. So Visual means character based graphics ?
	^^^^^^

> >  (2) You cannot put graphics on forms. This is a BIG, BAD thing as
> >      far as I am concerned.
>
> It's true, you cannot, but that's because the forms ARE NOT graphic. You
> cannot simply plop down a graphic on a text-based screen where the standard
> unit of measure is a character-width. 

	If you accept screen, line, pset, etc... You should accept
	graphical forms too. BTW, even AmigaBASIC written 1985 by MicroSoft
	can handle multiple windows (Forms).

/robin
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: martin@patricia.verfahrenstechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Martin Hepperle)
Subject: VB: Graphics output to metafile / clipboard ?
Organization: Institute A for Mechanics, University of Stuttgart, Germany
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:32:43 GMT

I am using VB as standalone as well as a front end to FORTRAN (yes really!)
programs. I am doing lots of graphics, usually writing a graphics
metafile of my own format which is interpreted later by a C-program
which allows me to export a WMF file or put a picture into the clipboard,
zoom in and out and more.

   What I a looking for is the possibility to create a metafile directly
from VB, using the standard grahics commands (e.g. Object.line (a,b)-(c,d)),
but all I can use to transfer graphics out from VB seems to be a Bitmap format.
   Is there a VBX control available which takes the same commands as the
standard picture control, but can write a metafile to disk or give me
a handle to it so that I can copy it to the clipboard ?

   It would be really easy to write such a control, if I had the source
to a picture control, just don't write to a memory DC, but to a metafile
DC.
   Maybe a future version of VB would happen to contain such a thing
(maybe an additional property of the picture control) ?

Martin.

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Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: gerke@acs.ucalgary.ca (Ken Gerke)
Subject: Quick BASIC & Btrieve
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 03:39:17 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

I'm helping someone to debug some code that was originally
written in GWBasic, converted to QuickBasic and is nearly
finished being upgraded to QB 4.5.  The code has several modules
that chain between each other.  It uses the latest version of
Btrieve for file management.  It has developed a bug  in the
upgrade process where it freezes the system in the middle of
executing a CHAIN command.  I'm inclined to suspect some subtle
interaction with btrieve as we have inspected the code leading up
to the call rather thoroughly.  We have an ON ERR handler in
place, but it is not called in this situation.  The program just
freezes.  I'm guessing that somehow memory is being corrupted,
but we're not doing anything fancy like PEEK, POKE, DEF SEG, etc. 

Got any tips?  Are there any problems in Btrieve that someone has
heard of. Is there a chance that upgrading to the Professional version
would solve this?

And just as an aside:  
Could one could  use the current version of
Btrieve(QBIXBTRV.OBJ) with  Visual BASIC for DOS
or does Novell have to come out with a new object file?



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University of Calgary
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Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: joseph@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Joseph Dawson)
Subject: BASIC for Unix
Organization: CS Dept, Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:23:39 GMT


What is the best BASIC for Unix?  Or should I first ask can you get a 
BASIC compiler for Unix?

Joe

-joseph@garfield.ucs.mun.ca
From: russ@bbx.basis.com (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: Re: BASIC for Unix
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:46:38 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1ag5u7INN5b9@spool.mu.edu> tomb@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Tom Baas) writes:
>There is a basic called bbx.  This basic is extremely good!  It is a form
>of Business Basic.(Business Basic eXtended).  The company that
>developed it is out of Albukurcie(sp?) New Mexico.
>This basic will run on almost platform.  (ie just about any version
>of Unix, on Dos, on VMS, etc.)
>
>If you are interested, I could lead to a scource of where to get it.

... or you could email the writers of BBx, here on the net.  I'm the
VP of Engineering, and the whole company is emailable (including tech
support).

Business BASIC is a variant of BASIC that actually preceeds the
microcomputer BASICs, and hasn't borrowed much from then.  This allows
software to be written in a manner that is compatible across hardware
platforms and operating systems, an advantage enjoyed by our 6,000
developers and 400,000 installations worldwide.

[and that's about as close as I'll get to an advertisment, I hope it
doesn't offend anyone.  For further info call or email.]

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Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: markcha@microsoft.com (Mark Chace)
Subject: Re: QuickBasic speed (386-40 vs 286-25/287). What's faster?
Date: 26 Sep 92 19:27:10 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: na

In article <1992Sep25.021321.26351@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>First off, does Quick Basic (4.5) automatically handle the presence
>of a math co-pro (both interpreted and compiled from the interpreter?)

Yes, Quick Basic, both the interpreter and compiled programs, will take 
advantage of a coprocessor if one is present.

>Secondly, how would a 386-40 compare with a (286-25 with a 287-25)?
>(with regards to Quick Basic interpreted and executibles).

The 386-40 is a Significantly faster machine than the 286-25.  Unless you
are doing a whole lot of heavy duty floating point arithmethic, the 386
will be MUCH faster.  Even if you are doing a lot of math, I am not convinced
the 286+Coprocessor will be much faster. 

Mark
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Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: jhbyne@unix1.tcd.ie (Magnus Byne)
Subject: Visual Basic, how to copy files?
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:15:59 GMT

iHello, Im new to this group, and very new to Visual Basic (MS-Windows)
At the moment I am trying to write a program for someone useing VB & QEVB
This is the first thing Ive done in VB.
A very important part of this project is copying files. And I dont seem to be
able to do this very neatly, the ways I tried are
i) Using Shell command to execte xcopy
ii) Writing a procedure in VB to copy.
The first was messy as it poped a dark old dos screen up and started it up as a n
asyronous process
The second was VERY VERY slow.

This seems to be a bad problem with VB, althpough the other file handling stuff isnt 
to bad. 

Is there a way to get around this,  
Please please help me if you can,
Thanks in advance,
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From: cosc16tt@menudo.uh.edu (Dennis Gray Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing,tx.general,houston.general
Subject: Floundering around Galveston?
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:09:54 GMT
Reply-To: DGray@uh.edu
Organization: /posole/cosc16tt/.organization


When I was about 12-15, we used to go floundering around Corpus, but I
was wondering if there are nie enough places around Galveston to do
this.  A likely stop I am thinking of is East Bay right behind
Rollover Pass.  Isn't is very shallow and fairly clear?  Any other
suggestions?

Also, after this dog decided he could put our fish to better use than
we could, my parents started carrying a small pistol while
floundering.  As far as I know this is still legal.  It is legal to
carry a gun in a boat so long as it is within the Texas Carry laws
(not concealed, etc).  Just wondering...

-dennis
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From: laurie.walkear@f253.n620.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Laurie Walkear)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: WORMS IN FISH
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:10:01 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au


 > Same here on the South Coast.  Although I've caught
 > them in cold currents (from
 > victoria where I believe that they are a table fish
 > (barracuda), with no
 > visable parasites.  I have eaten these with no ill
 > effects - although they
 > could taste nicer.

Barracouta was, some 20 - 30 years ago THE table fish, and the principal
fish in the take-away trade in Victoria. Thousands of boxes per day were
taken from the main ports of Apollo Bay, San Remo and Queenscliff. (Hence
the famous Queenscliffe 'couta boat - sail, and a Rugby engine, used to
navigate the infamous Rip into Port Phillip Bay each day).

The school and schnapper shark, only taken for its liver during World War
II, to be turned into vitamin A by Nickolas ASPRO, slowly infiltrated this
market as 'flake'. The 'couta dissappeared for no reason, and 'flake' became
the convenience fish. Shark now, has become dangerously over-exploited. And
'couta is making a comeback.

For the best feed of your life, get a fisherman to slice the bellies off
several 'couta - from just under the pectorals back to the vent. (This gives
you a narrow triangle of flesh).

Fry quickly, with or without batter. Nothing out of the ocean will beat it,
on a cold wet morning for break-fast. Crotty's pub at San Remo used to cook
a bucket full every morning as the fishermen came in from fishing. I'll
never forget it!

 > The barracuda have the parasites cause they are a
 > rubish fish - will eat anything.

To the contrary - 'couta only eat live fish. That is why professionals troll
a lure made preferably of red cedar with a 10/0 attached by monel wire. Or a
plastic Smiths Jig these days I expect :-)

 > I've caught three at a time on a 2 hook snapper rig.  (one on each
 > hook and one on the sinker).

But once in a frenzy they will attack anything that moves -

Regards;

Laurie.

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Newsgroups: alt.fishing,tx.general,houston.general
From: cosc16tt@menudo.uh.edu (Dennis Gray Jr.)
Subject: Re: Floundering around Galveston?
Reply-To: DGray@uh.edu
Organization: /posole/cosc16tt/.organization
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:10:01 GMT

In article <machala.717692039@delphi> machala@spdc.ti.com (Chuck Machala) writes:

>I go fishing a few times a year in the bay and at least once or twice stop off
>at rollover to do some flounder fishing. It's about the only place to fish 
>when the wind is blowing from the south and you don't have a boat. You can
>wade along the cut and fish mud minnows or shrimp on the bottom for flounder.
>Best when the tide is moving. Also, there was a write up in the Dallas Morning
>News yesterday that said the flounder were now migrating out of the bay and
>there is alot of action at the moment. good luck.

I suspected Rollover Pass would be quite popular, but I am still
unsure it is ideal for what I am looking for.  I understand that I can
drag mud minnows on the bottom and all (we do this at Texas City Dike
quite a bit), but I need to know if the water at Rollover Pass (and
other places) is clear enough to do this gigging thing (you go out at
night with lantern and gigs and stab the suckers!  It is really
challenging...).  I kinda think it will be, but I know the tides can
really get the water stirred up around there.  Any comments on this?

Also, I called Texas Parks and Wildlife and they say that it is legal
to carry a gun while doing this.  It falls under the "other sporting
events" line in the Texas Penal Code.  The guys at NRA agree with
this, if that means anything for you...  Probably will not carry one
anyway, as I have this bad habit of getting all wet when I get near
water, and since I will be wading into it in this case forget it... :)

Thanks,
-dennis
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DGray@uh.edu                   "Attempting the hell to communicate."
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Newsgroups: alt.fishing,tx.general,houston.general
From: st1t0@elroy.uh.edu (CARL SEILER)
Subject: Re: Floundering around Galveston?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: houston
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:35:00 GMT

In article <COSC16TT.92Sep27140952@menudo.uh.edu>, DGray@uh.edu writes...
> 
>Also, after this dog decided he could put our fish to better use than
>we could, my parents started carrying a small pistol while
>floundering.  As far as I know this is still legal.  It is legal to
>carry a gun in a boat so long as it is within the Texas Carry laws
>(not concealed, etc).  Just wondering...
         Grrr.  I'm trying this post for the third time.  I haven't
         been able to get this to work.

         Ok.  The Texas Penal Code has no concept of "concealed"
         weapons.  It simply lists weapons you cannot carry.  Among
         them are handguns.  You cannot carry handguns, clubs,
         slapjacks, throwing stars, swords, spears, or brass knuckles.

         You may have these things at home.

         You may carry a rifle or shotgun as long as it is not
         "sawed-off."  The penal code gives specific lengths allowed
         for rifles or shotguns, but basically if you buy it in a shop
         it should be legal.

         The penal code gives defenses to the charge of carrying a
         weapon and these include "traveling."  If you can convince a
         judge that you are traveling, you can get off the charge.  Of
         course "traveling" is not defined in the penal code.  Most
         people say it means you have to cross the county line, but
         there is no legal definition in reality.

         I would play it safe and carry a shotgun or rifle.  The penal
         code spells out the laws on weapons pretty clearly.  You
         might want to get a copy.  They come in paperback and run
         about $17.  You can also find copies at some libraries.

         I'm no lawyer, so this may all be hogwash.  Heck, if I were a
         lawyer, this might all still be hogwash.  I read the penal
         code in a two-semester law enforcement class instructed by a
         police officer some six years ago.

Carl Seiler                         |  Department of Econonmics
Graduate Student                    |  University of Houston
ST1T0@jetson.uh.edu                 |
From: fitch@fitch.pa.dec.com (John Fitch)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Program Announcement
Keywords: Jim Teeny Program
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:09:54 GMT
Reply-To: fitch@fitch.pa.dec.com (John Fitch)
Organization: DEC Western Research Laboratory

The San Jose Flycasters meet Wednesday October 14.  
Jim Teeney will present "Northwest Steelhead and Salmon Fishing"
7:30 at the Gerry Bernhardt Senior Center.
This is located at the NE corner of Saratoga and Payne Aves. in San Jose.  
Public invited.  Free.  For information call me at 415-617-3314
or send email to me

John
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