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From: valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: nipple confusion and feeding newborn glucose-water???
Date: 26 Jan 1993 22:02:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <1993Jan26.135125.29944@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.193105.19919@afit.af.mil> mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault) writes:
>>>
>>
>>I may be paranoid, but I would suggest keeping someone you trust with
>>the baby at all times.  
>
>  But how can you?  You are not allowed in the nursery.  The nurseries
>  are locked up.  You can only look through the window and see them
>  washing your baby.  We did have rooming-in, but they still take
>  the baby away for washing, paper-clothes changing, and probably
>  glucose water.  During visiting hours, all babies are wisked back
>  to the nursery for security reasons.  And during one of those visiting
>  hours I saw a nurse give my son a pacifier but couldn't do a thing
>  about it.  He loved it, and still loves his pacifier today!
>>
>>Michele
>>
>>
>
>

WOW, at our hospital someone (Kevin's daddy) stayed with him
through all the procedures.  I delivered in a Labor/Delivery/Recovery
room and Kevin stayed in the room with us for about 2 hours
while they weighed him, washed him, pumped his little stomach,
gave him his Vitamin K shot.  Then they wheeled me to my
hospital room and dad went with the baby to the nursery.  As
long as dad showed his bracelet with the matching number,
he could get the baby whenever he wanted (as could I, if
I could have walked down the hall without passing out) but
no one else could.  We didn't have to leave him for a minute.

Guess it's different at different hospitals??

Valerie

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From: SKH4161@MVS.draper.com (Kjeld Hvatum)
Subject: Re: Branding kids, IQ tests, smart vs dumb (Was: Re: Seminar Program)
Organization: Draper Laboratory
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:54:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.215150.6371@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
ren@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (Karen Prestemon) writes:

>Can a person get into a 4 year university WITHOUT the SATs?

Yes, any school that accepts the ACT instead, or one of the
few schools that have decided to stop requiring the SAT, such
as Bowdoin, Bates, Franklin & Marshal College in Lancaster
(some say they've "deemphasized" the SAT).  Still some of these
require the SAT for placement purposes after admission.  I think
there are about 100 others.  But it seems to me that only a
minority of the competitive colleges will try doing without
the SAT (apparently, they're catering to those with a real
aversion to the SAT and getting some extra applicants that way).
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Subject: Re: Potheads of the 70's Raising Kids
Organization: nope
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:20:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.222144.14377@umiami.ir.miami.edu> ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.020602.531435@locus.com>, judy@locus.com (Judy Tryer) writes:
...
>> People have different body chemistries and what is enjoyable to one person
>> may be completely unpleasant to another.  However, I believe that there is
>> some drug that will be pleasant to each person, so pleasant that having once
>> experienced the drug, that person will have a problem with craving that
>> drug for the rest of his or her life. 
...

>I know you mean well, but this is so stupid!  Are you saying that for each and
>every one of us there is some chemical substance somewhere--could be pot, could
>be a camel dung/qat mixture from Saudi Arabia--that will turn each and every
>one of us into something out of a Hogarth lithograph???  (As in lying in the
>middle of the street drooling) Or that if we cannot get this substance we will
>spend the rest of our lives twitching at our desks, snapping pencils and
>sweating???
>
>Sorry, but I'd have to give this JLT-theory the big *BRRZZZ* [WRONG!]

Don't think so.  Orwell (_1984_) and Burgess (_A Clockwork
Orange_) believed so, to the extent of writing about the dangers
of allowing a government to come to this realization and
acheiving the means to put it into practice.  I seem to recall
that a large part of their writing was based on sound
psychological research.

The stimulus need not be strictly external chemical;  If I recall
properly, Winston Smith was controlled because of a deepseated
irrational fear of rats.  Burgess's hero, who's name I cannot
recall was conditioned into "acceptable" behavior by playing on
his love of classical music.

Pick any random 5 people reading this newsgroup, and
disconnect them from netnews; see what kind of behavior changes
you get...



-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
From: jim@pinot (Jim Fare)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Leaving kids alone
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:21:40 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Canada Ltd., Waterloo, Ont.

In article <2509@gandalf.intel.com> linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin) writes:
>In article <cathe.727486523@xanadu>, cathe@xanadu.ucsb.edu (Cathe Gordon) writes:
>|> On a related subject, I'm curious at what age people feel
>|> that their own kids are "old enough" to do something very
>|> responsible at home alone or perhaps away from home.  It

When I was 10 we moved about 2000 miles.  My parents drove - I flew.  I 
actually enjoyed it.  I got the best service of anyone on the plane.  The
stewardesses were fantastic; I was never alone on the ground until I met my 
grandmother and a very hung-over cat at the baggage claim.
I will encourage my kids to travel alone like this if it makes sense at the
time.
                                                   [J.F.]


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From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Subject: Re: Teaching kids to read
Organization: Sylvan Associates
	<1993Jan21.222945.6742@digi.lonestar.org>
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:15:38

So, what do you do if you have a child who WANTS to learn to read? I
am sure that Katherine would NOT be happy if I wait until she is seven
before allowing her to read - matter of fact, I'm sure she would learn
somehow herself before then, just as she has learned the alphabet with
little help.

I am curious as to what your 'beautiful' reading material is --
suggestions for a three year old with an active imagination? BTW, she
does love kids books (Dr. Seuss, and an assortment of those kinds of
things), and likes me to read A.A. Milne to her, although she seems to
always ask me to read 2 chapters, and really only has the patience for
1...
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Net Wise Sayings on Breastfeeding -- Survey Results
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:16:47 GMT


  Well, the responses have slacked off now, so I'm posting the
promised summary of results.  As I read through the responses,
I realized the questions were not as clearly worded as they
might have been, so I've reworded them a bit below.  I believe
nearly every response had enough verbage that I have correctly
interpreted the reponses as if these had been the actual questions.

Responses: 30 (29 moms, 1 dad)
Babies: 37

1. My baby prefered a bottle to nursing.
	True: 8  
	False: 28
	& 1 baby who switched preferences from breast to bottle. 

  Of four respondants expressing an opinion as to why their baby
  prefered a bottle, one said because it was easier to get milk.
  The others specifically said ease/speed was *not* a factor in their
  baby's preference for a bottle.


2. I introduced my baby to a bottle before the age
     of three weeks, and as a result experienced
     difficulties nursing.  (Introducing a bottle
     caused "nipple confusion.")
	True: 5
	False: 21

  Two of the folks who I counted as trues, expressed
  doubts that the nursing problems were due to introducing 
  the bottle too early.  They thought their problems were    
  more due to the fact that their babies were premature &
  just had maturity problems which interfered with learning 
  to nurse.


3. I supplemented my baby's nursing with formula,
    and as a result experienced uncontrolled
    decrease in my milk supply.  This caused
    me to stop nursing sooner than planned.
	True: 3
	False: 19

  Several respondants pointed out that supplimenting would
  be very likely to decrease milk supply since mom's supply
  is mostly a supply-demand function.  I did not count those
  who supplemented with the *intention* of decreasing their
  milk supply as true.  In all these cases the moms were able
  to control the amount of milk they had available for their baby.
  (I also counted as false one mom who said her milk supply
   disappeared after returning to work.  She thought the
   problem was mostly from stress.)



4. I did not introduce my baby to a bottle until
     after s/he was 6 weeks old.  My baby had
     no problems taking a bottle instead of nursing.
	True: 9
	False: 8

  The eight folks who had older babies which had problems
  adapting to a bottle collectively had a *lot* of hassle.
  7 of them said they would introduce a regular bottle at
  2 - 3 weeks if they could do it over again. One of them
  experienced failure-to-thrive problems that were made
  much worse by her baby's refusal to accept a bottle. 


Interestingly, several respondants had *long* philosophical
defenses of the "net wise sayings" citing experiences of 
friends-of-friends, but found their own experience precisely
contrary. 

Well, I had fun with this.  Thanks to everyone who participated!
Elise.
From: ramsey@sundance.llnl.gov (Susanne B. Ramsey)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: clothes & medicine
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:59:45 GMT
Organization: Magnetic Fusion Energy - LLNL

Greetings all - 

I have 2 questions that hopefully you all can give me some info on...


1 - I have been looking at the medicine books at the local book store that
    talk about what they are, what they do, side effects, etc.  My question
    is WHICH BOOK to purchase...  I'd like to hear which book you all are
    using as a reference...

2 - I live in Livermore, Ca and understand that there is a kids clothing store
    that sells used clothes..  I hear that the clothes are in GREAT condition
    since kids outgrown them so fast...  If you know the store I am talk-
    ing about can you send me the address


Thanks for your help 

Susanne Ramsey  - mommy to Cameron James 1y 3w

--
 Susanne B. Ramsey	     Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
 7000 East Avenue L-630	  |  (510) 423-9530
 Livermore Ca 94550	  |  sbr@llnl.gov
_____________________________________________________________________
Fertility is hereditary.  If your parents didn't have any children, neither 
will you.
From: prevmary@otago.ac.nz
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Developmental Milestones: Survey
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:13:23 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

> I dont think I have senile dementia yet?!
> Now for the questions:
> How old was your child (in months) when they:
>  - first sat alone (even if pretty shakey)
>  - sat alone well enough to play with toys
>  - first pulled to standing
>  - first started "cruising" (walking holding onto furniture)
>  - took first independent step
>  - stood up in middle of floor (without pulling up on something)
>  - said first word
> 
> Any others?
> 
> How does any parent ever remember the answers to these questions? I can
remember the odd age or date but only if something happened because of it.
 

    Mary Jane
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ellenb@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Ellen Boyle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "I love Mommy ONLY" problem w/ 3 yo
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:41:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: diva.berkeley.edu

John wrote about his daughter having fits when she didn't
get to have her Mom do all the main caretaking...

Basically, for some reason, sounds like your daughter is
preferring her Mom right now.  So it totally pisses her off when
she doesn't get her way.  But the reality is that Mom doesn't want
to or can't do all things for her -- which, by the way, is perfectly 
ligit.  But that still leaves your daughter's feelings -- she's 
sooooooo angry, she just wants to - well - scream!

Good job, Dad.  Sounds like after you let her express herself,
she feels better and can get on with things.  Someday (hopefully
soon) she'll be able to master other ways of expressing herself.
You could even talk to her about it at a non-confrontational time.
Something like, "I know you are angry when Mom can't help you,
but it makes me feel ___________ when you have a fit.  What other
ways can you help yourself feel better when your frustrated?"

Also, while she's having the fit you can reassure her that you'll
wait till she's calmed down so you can do whatever the next thing
is you were going to do.  You can even try a few "Try to calm
yourself" statements in a non-angry voice, it might help both of you.

--Ellen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:33:32 -0500 
From: Nancy Monda <nm0b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Nail Cutting (was: Re: haircut tips for 4-5 month old?)
	<1k74p0INNccj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

Maybe this will help those of you with infants.  When my kids were small
I used to cut their nails while I was nursing them.  I sat in a
rocker/recliner (the soft kind) and rested the baby's head on the arm of
the chair - that way I had both hands free instead of using one hand to
cradle his head.  Sitting on any couch or chair with pillows for support
works too.  They never seemed to mind, or even notice what I was doing. 
This also worked for me later on when I was giving them a bottle.  They
were so busy/happy with what they were doing that they didn't notice
what I was doing.  

You might want to give it a try - it worked great for me.  

Since my youngest (16 months) has been off the bottle, though, I've been
having a heck of a time.  He has a hard time sitting still long enough. 
I usually try to squeeze it in after bathtime - I may only get one hand
cut at a time.  Any advice for handling a squirmy toddler would be
appreciated.  Thanks,  Nancy
From: stoc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Alan Stockman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Teaching Kids to Read
Summary: Hooked on Phonics seems like its working well
Keywords: phonics
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:23:18 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I recently (2 weeks ago) started using Hooked on Phonics with my 7 year old,
who is in first grade and is near the bottom of her class in reading.  The
tapes, cards, and books are pretty good -- the tapes have a background
rhythm with unobtrusive music (like palatable rap) that seems to help
engage her.  In the last two weeks, she has made *remarkable* progress.
And every night she looks forward to working on this with me.  Of course,
whether it is the program itself or the extra time I am putting in (about
a half-hour per day), I don't know.  (The half hour per day partly displaces 
time I was putting in before; I guess I have added 15 minutes per day on 
average of time helping her learn to read.)  Anyway, after 2 weeks I am
very happy with Hooked on Phonics.  I will post a follow-up report after 
a couple of months, and then a longer-run report on my experience with it.
:w
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From: d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Denise M. Boudria)
Subject: Re: Things you do to save time
Organization: Raytheon Submarine Signal Division
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:10:21 GMT

First of all let me say my son is six but we've been playing a version of
this for quite a while so even if your child is very small, you might start
now to get ready for the future.

One of the things I do to save time in the morning (and get the guy moving)
is have a race with him to see who can get dressed first.  When I get out of
the shower I put on my robe and then go wake him up.  While I'm in his room,
I grab his clothes and go to my room.  By the time I have my underwear on,
he's arrived (very sleepy).  We wrestle Daddy out of bed and he starts to 
get dressed.  I usually iron my clothes and sometimes iron his just to warm
them up (I know, he's spoiled).  Most of the time he doesn't want them ironed
because he's in a hurry to beat me (they're not usually wrinkled since I
fold them right from the dryer - another time saver).  Anyway we've made
rules like jewelry counts for me because I usually wear pumps and he has to
tie his shoes and I always have to stop and help him if there is something
he cannot do (like snap his pants) and PJ's have to be in the hamper to be
considered done.  I have to say he's really getting fast.  He also always
keeps track of his shoes and puts them away so he can save time in the 
morning.  He usually wins but sometimes I beat him on purpose because he's
just being too slow or to keep the game interesting.  Sometimes I kid around
and if he's way ahead I start stealing his clothes and throwing them out in
the living room so he has to run and get them (he laughs at this but some-
times gets mad if he's still tired).  We try to beat Daddy too but he 
refuses to participate and is in no mood for fun and games in the morning.

Well hope this helps, I know it sure saves me a lot of time and aggravation
in the morning.

Denise
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: mini-pills and nursing
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:43:38 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: classy.jpl.nasa.gov

In article <1993Jan21.160735.15236@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>In article <C14935.E92@amd.com> karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black) writes:
>>day_kevran@tandem.com (Kevran Day ) writes:
>>
>>I tried a contraceptive sponge.  It seems to have about the same
>>effectiveness as a condom
>
>The statistics for sponges are not good at all.  In fact, it's one of
>the least reliable methods.  The best thing you can say about them is
>that they're slightly more effective than the rhythm method.  They are
>particularly bad for parous women who delivered vaginally, since that
>makes it harder to get a snug fit.  Condoms, while a drag, are very
>effective when used properly.
>

My OB/GYN said nice things about it right after they first came out. Then I
asked him a few years alter, and he said he was seeing a lot of `sponge'
pregnancies, and couldnt recomend it.

I used them for a couple of years and loved them. I never got pregnant, but
that is hardly a recomendation. When I did stop using them, and tried to get
pregnant it took 1.5 years and help from an accupuncturist to get pregnant.

Laura Floom


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From: prmader@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (MICHELLE MADER)
Subject: Re: Leaving kids alone
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 25 Jan 1993 13:21 EST  

In article <1jq1egINNjli@gap.caltech.edu>, peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes...
>This is a bit off the subject.  I apologise.
> 
>A friend mentioned to me that she read of a device that can be 
>put into fillings in a child's teeth that has a small transmitter.
>If the kid is ever kidnapped the police would be able to use the
>transmitter to track him/her down.  Has anybody heard of such a 
>thing?  
> 
>I am not at all convinced that such a device would be a good idea.
>What do you all think?
> 
>-- 
> 
>                                                --  Michal
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Impressive amounts of material can be accreted in this manner.

I'm not sure about a transmitter but I did here of a kind of
microchip that could be put onto a child's molar which would have
pertinent identification and medical info. on it.
From: aezv000@phobos.ucs.umass.edu (Deborah Padgett)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Child care at/near JPL
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:11 -0500
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

I am contemplating a move to California to work at at the Jet Propulsion
Laboratory in Pasadena. My daughter will be 11 months old at the time
of the move. I would like to find out how much the JPL day care center
costs and to hear opinions from parents with enrolled children. In
addition, I am also curious about the average cost of in-home daycare
in the area, as well as any specific recommendations.  In regards to the
recent "mommy-track" discussions, I plan to work part-time for at least
6 months; my husband and I have been sharing child-care since Anna's
birth, so she has never been in a day-care situation.

Thanks,
          Deborah Padgett
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From: jws@hp835.mitek.com (Jeanetha Wemken)
Subject: Re: "back to nature" movement
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:17:43 GMT

In article <C15FMM.F2y@tsoft.net> casper@tsoft.net (Johanne Kaminski) writes:
>In article <1j6unsINN2k7@meaddata.meaddata.com> dedek@meaddata.com (Mike Dedek) writes:
>>I'm not trying to start up the big flame war again.  
>>I've read from two separate sources (probably based on the same study) that
>>cloth diapers and disposables are approximately equal in terms of environmental
>>friendliness, due to the soap, hot water, and electricity needed for cloth
>>diapers.
>>
>>Anyone care to comment?
>>
>>Mike Dedek
>>7/3/93
>>
>
>How is this for a thought.
>How would most parents feel if they were stuck in a plastic diaper all day
>vs a piece of cotton cloth?
>Kids put up with it because they don't know any differently.

I disagree.  Being a woman I use something very similar to a plastic diaper
for (how do they say...) feminine hygiene for a few days every month.  
Now, don't get me wrong I love to wear cotton blouses and even cotton 
underware, but I would not like to exchange the absorbent plastic lined pad 
for a piece of cotton cloth.  The new technology of today makes things a
lot more comfortable than what used to be available.

Jeanetha
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