From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:Another answers (Pusan Scandal follow-Up)
Date: 2 Jan 93 05:04:45 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

:From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:
and SeungHun Lee writes:
 "I'd like to hear Mr.B.LEE's opinion about this"(not exactly same sentence)
  
:Kim Gi-Choon who was leading the Meeting,  was released without
:being prisoned, just (Bul-Goo-Sok Eap-Gun).
:Some of them did not get any punishement.  Others got deprived of
:their positions.
:BTW,  the goverment and possibly YS, are trying to twist the essence of
:the Pusan scandal.  They are trying to hide the scandal's violation of the
:election raw, and morals but instead, trying to exaggerate and stress the
:violation of
:privacy done by Guk-Min Dang.   Of course,  since YS knows the scandal was
:contributed to his win,  he doesn' t want them to be put in jail.
:Moreover,  the funny thing is  that all of raw proscutors went out the
:building and bow to Kim Gi-Choon  gently right after investigating him.

:Where has justice gone ?
:This is what I am worried about YS.  Is this "Shin HanGook" who mentioned
:as a slogan ?  Currently,  ther are so many Abuggoon approching him to
:suck up to ho in order to get positions.
:YS announced the committe members for the transition team two days ago.
:There are no fresh faces in the transition team.  If you listen to their
:names,  you must feel vomitting.   All of them are parasites of 5 Gong and
:6 Gong.  It is natural because he could be elcted by their assists.
:However,  let's see more.  This is a little bit early to judge YS.

:     My ultimate goal is to achieve "Warm-Hearted Human Integrated Society"
:     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Grumblings:

  Thanks for SeungHun Lee's invitation to this topic.
  You guys seem to consider me a speaksperson for MINJA or a typical
  conservative (or ignorant) person whom you are vomiting.
  If you think so, fine with me.
  But what I want to ask you guys is to learn how to speak or how to persuade
  your opinion with those guys.

  If one guy changed from the most progressive to a seemingly conservative guy,
  he/she must have his/her reason. If he changed his support for DJ to other
  guy, he must have his own opinion. I knew my opinion would not be popular
  to still "dreaming" young guys. But I expected the rational discussion.
  However, I have encountered hatred which I hate.

  I already said I supported DJ before his splitting from UDP in 1987 and
  was disillusioned. so I voted for YS with much frustration. In national
  assembly election, I voted for Han_Gyu_Rae Dang. All my votes did not
  work out.  Since then, I have studied what has been wrong with progressive
  side and opposition sides because I had heard too many bad things about
  military side already. When I was a freshman, I was a memeber of then-under
  ground circle. At that time, revealation of that meant quiting of my
  education and possibly being seated. I wasted more than half of my university
  life for reading so-called "problematic books." 

  My conclusion was what I have posted. They were not scientific nor realistic.
  You have said that "but" they did not sold their conscience, moral and 
  political philosophy. However, for me, at least DJ did in 1987.
  
  After 1987, Korea have been changed a lot. I really want to admit that.
  My five and half year career in industry tought me how much great what our
  old generation has done. Vicious circle!   I have to recognize how difficult
  it is to cut off vicious circle. At least, we cut off vicious circle of 
  hunger.  Look at other asian countries! Go and check!
  In the past one centry,  there have been only
  two changes in top GNP countries.  Argentine(?sp) was deleted from the list,
  Japan joined in that group.  To be rich is not a joke. To be domocratic is
  not a joke either.  You said the "conservative" aspect of anti-YooSin was
  a limit of that movement. I rather say that too "radical" is the limit of
  current student movement. I really suspect what they are persuing for beyong
  western democracy now. What's a leading philosophy there after USSR collapse?

  For me some netters can not admit 5th- 6th- forces. Then do you want to
  impliment so-called "Jung-Chi-Jung-Hwa-Bub" which have been good tools for 
  Chun and Park?  

  To be a matured society is not a joke either. For that, now I darely insist
  that Korea should be free from student movement. I think now that only
  symbiolizes politically underdevelopedness. Why? students are not judged by
  election. To a normal society, it is better to minimize political fractions
  who do not bear political responsibility.  Without check from people, without
 political responsibility, they can ask anything, can do anything, can blame 
  whoever. You may insist "pure conscience" against corruption. I'd say it's
  eliticism.  Korean citizens are the citizens who spoke out against Chun.
  Korean old generation is the generation who cut off the vicious circle of
  starvation after devasting Korean war. It's time for us to normalize
  everything. Students should go back for study. Economy should be run by
  economic ways. Politics should be played politically. After 1987,
  I darely say again that Korean students' movement are not for democracy any
  more. It was progressive politcal movement, sometimes, looked as socialist
  movement. Then it is not battle between angels and devils any more. If some
 fraction wants to implement new political, economical system different from
 what it is, it should be judged by people, should bear political responsibility. Otherwise, it means civil war.
    
   I like Hae Chan Lee, Moo Hyun Noh, Sa Duk Hong and Chul Lee very much.
   They are bearing political responsibilities by being elected and
  amazingly, I watched Hae Chan Lee's first TV debate against Prof. Yang (self 
  declared conservative) from JungSinMoonHwa Won. He (Mr. H.C. Lee) remained
 calm and had his logic even though he had been jailed. He knows how to debate.
  I really expect that kind of Logic when we debate something.
   Now I do not believe the battle of angels against devils. 
   My parents are still poor peasants without enough land. I barely survived
  university with scholarships and private tuturing. I want a farer society.
  But I do not believe it will come by Molokov cocktail throwing.
  It calls backlash now. That's why government can crackdown labor disputes now.  They got support from mass because  they feared by too radical group.

Pusan Scandal Follw-Ups:
   (1) I do not agree this followup should be YS's responsibilty. He is still
       only prez-elected. Now the prez. is Roh still. In addition, being jailed
       can not be jugded by your preference. In general, Korea has been 
      generous in this crime.  Even the impact was great, what they did was
     private discussions. If they intended to so something, it is still
     the undone (MI-SOO). Legally, if somebody do something for supporting
    for a particular candidate unless he is not registered campaigner, it is 
    violation. But they did not, maybe could not because it was revealed.
    From their dialogue, they all seemed to support  YS already. 
    Then former minister Kim's sponsoring meeting can hardly be viewed as
    soliciting others.  
      
  (2) Not arresting:
    In general, in fact, arresting should be an exception
    util he/she is convicted by court. Only if there is a
    danger of running away or changing or eliminating evidences. 
    Both cases can not be applied to this case. So we can not blame prosecutors
    only for this.

  (3) Blaming YS:
    Do you want YS to intervine to prosecutors regarding this? It may be also
    violation of law. (so-called , Kumchal DokRib)

    Logically to blame YS for this, you should have an
   evidence that he, in fact, intervined this case to save them. I do not know
   if you have.   Do not expect everything from prez or prex-elected.

 (4) Privacy and Kook_Min_Dang
   
    Yes, I believe that it is KMD who should be blamed most in this election.
   It was KMD who degraded the election most. In addition, they commited 
   another unforgivable sin which mixed firm with party.
   
   Is the privacy the right which we defend ultimately? Is this wrong logic?
   We can not give up fare politics nor privacy. So we should blame both violation.