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From: wvarga@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Wilson Varga)
Subject: Seeking 9000/8xx Beta Test Sites
Followup-To: wvv@uii.com
Summary: Test an end-user menuing & access control product
Keywords: end-user menu, access control, character terminal
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:22:14 GMT

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Am seeking Beta test sites for a product offering:
    a.  End-user menuing in a timesharing, Host/character-terminal mode of
        operations.  (Most likely HP 9000/8xx, but may also be applicable for
        73x's or 75x's used as servers).
    b.  Increased levels of (optional) access control over end-users,
        terminals/devices, and applications:
        1)  Time-of-day, day-of-week, and/or start-date/end-date combinations.
        2)  Additional password protection.
        3)  Termination of idle/inactive user sessions.
    c.  Simplified system adimistration effected over classes of end-users,
        terminals/devices, and applications.

This product is targeted at installations where there exists a set of
end-users who must use a unix system to do their jobs, but who are
neither schooled nor interested in becoming unix literate.
For example:  accountants, salespersons, school teachers, doctors, lawyers,
indian chiefs, etc.  Such users benefit from a simple menu system
and insulation from the unix shell's command-line interface.
This is not a product for software engineers, programmers, or other unix
adept personnel.

For more information, please contact:
    Wilson Varga                            wvv@uii.com
    Software Engineer                       (195.105.32.4)
    Unified Software Systems Division       tel:  (703) 922-9800
    Unified Industries, Inc.                fax:  (703) 971-5892
    6551 Loisdale Court, Suite 400
    Springfield, VA 22150-1854; USA
From: narsu@tsavo.hks.com (Uttam Narsu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: hp700 jmp_buf layout needed
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:36:12 -0500
Organization: Hibbitt, Karlsson & Sorenson, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsavo.hks.com

Does anyone have any information on the format
of the jmp_buf defined in setjmp.h? I'm working
on some thread code in the Exodus database package
and I need the layout. The jmp_buf is defined as:

#define _JBLEN 50

typedef double jmp_buf[_JBLEN/2];

(for the hp9000s300, it is an array of 100 ints)

The Exodus code forks a thread to execute certain
passed functions. I'm trying to port the code to
the hp700.

Thanks.

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			narsu@hks.com

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
Subject: test
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:00:24 GMT

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From: rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HP's CD-ROM drive (playing audio CDs and how it could be improved)
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:22:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

In article <C0p90C.371@fc.hp.com>, rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland) writes:
> Source for xcd is not available.

Which is frustrating to say the least !

For those willing to install XView3, the 1.0 release of WorkMan is a nice
audio CD player for the (disappointingly dumb) Toshiba CD-ROM drive that HP
sell. And yes, it comes with source code of course. [Shameless plug warning]
You can get XView3 and WorkMan from our site ftp.csc.liv.ac.uk (138.253.42.172)
- see the directory /hpux/X11R4/XView3 for the various goodies.

CD-ROM drive question for folks out there:

Why oh why do most CD-ROM drives use a stupid caddy, especially when all home
CD players use the much nicer sliding tray mechanism ? Caddies are a real pain
in the arse (liable to be lost/broken or quite often don't seat properly when
I push them in) - wake up HP and release a CD ROM drive that:

1. Has software volume control and balance for the audio out socket (failing
   that, have a volume slider rather than the crude 3-position volume switch).
2. Allows the music data to be read from the SCSI bus (I'm dying to see a
   real-time spectrum analysis of the music !).
3. Has a sliding tray as part of the player - ditch that caddy scheme !!

Archive Librarian,        E-mail: ftp@csc.liv.ac.uk
Computer Science Dept.,
Liverpool University, 
Merseyside, England,
Great Britain.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: gotwols@warper.jhuapl.edu (Bruce Gotwols)
Subject: Distribution lists in elm
Summary: How to send mail to a distribution list using elm?
Keywords: elm mail
Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:03:21 GMT

	Can anyone tell me how to send mail to a distribution list 
under elm?  if that's not possible, is there any way to send mail
to a distribution list?
			Thanks, bruce
--
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Johns Hopkins University, Applied Physics Lab., Laurel MD 20723
Internet:  gotwols@warper.jhuapl.edu   (128.244.27.2) 
SPAN:      APLSP::STR::GOTWOLS
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: debugging with stripped executables...
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:10:39 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: hptrane.fc.hp.com
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Chris Fulmer (chrisf@brtph316.NoSubdomain.NoDomain) wrote:
: 
: Now, the symbol table is not dumped with the core file, so it
: should be possible to just use the unstripped binary, and have
: everything be hunky-dorey.  Unforuently, it's not.  We get messages
: like "core cannot be the core file for XXXX; ignoring core".  Not
: much of a help.

You're right, this should normally work.  Are you sure it is really the same
executable?  That is, did you produce the executable with "-g" and then strip
it, so that you really have stripped and unstripped versions of the same
executable?  Or did you perhaps produce two executables, one with "-g" and one
without?  The latter will not work; slightly different code may be generated
with "-g" - in particular, /usr/lib/end.o will be linked into your program.
And it won't even be close if the "stripped" executable was actually produced
with "-O".

: We're running (yikes) HP-UX 6.5.  Any clues?  Thanks. 

Was the core file also generated on 6.5?  There have been changes in the core
file format since then; core files generated on later releases might not be
readable on 6.5 - although that would presumably lead to a different error
message than what you are seeing.

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From: xm9@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (richard g. adair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: clusters, etc.
Summary: topless HPs
Keywords: servers
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:57:56 GMT
Organization: Arete Associates, San Diego

In article <28266@dog.ee.lbl.gov> mario@cad4.lbl.gov (mario aranha) writes:
>
>I've been experimenting with a 705 cluster server
>with the clients being more powerful 710s, 730s, etc.
>The reasoning is that the server needs little CPU and
>graphics and is in a public area so why waste a better
>machine. The b&w screen also discourages "squatters" from
>starting X-windows on the display.  This has been

I sure wish HP would offer the 700 series machines with the option
to delete the graphics top.  A 705 without the expense of a monitor
would make a wonderful PC network server.  The only servers that HP
offers are high-end machines that cost too much for small PC
applications.  Also, a 5x735 cluster with only one graphics top would
make a killer environment for those of us who could use 5 735s at a
time but can't afford all the graphics tops...

Tony Burzio
Arete Associates
San Diego, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: pypm@trentu.ca (Penghui Ma)
Subject: include files for X11
Organization: Trent University
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:57:27 GMT

Hi,

I get another problem for our new HP9000/400 workstation.  I could find
some include files for X11, such as Xlib.h, Xatom.h, etc.  Are these
files coming with the o/s or purchased later?

Sorry to post such news and Thanks in advance for any help.


Penghuis



Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: harrison@faraday.physics.utoronto.ca (David Harrison)
Subject: 300 baud console
Originator: harrison@faraday
Organization: Dept. of Physics, Univ. of Toronto
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 13:14:18 GMT

We are running a HP9000/750 with HP-UX 8.07.  Getting tired of the most
important error messages to the console scrolling off the top of the
screen, I decided to make a 300 baud Decwriter II our system console instead
of the HP terminal we had been using.  To do this I changed:

/etc/inittab:  now reads --
	stty::sysinit:stty 300 cs7 parenb -parodd clocal icanon echo \
	  opost onlcr -ienqak ixon icrnl ignpar </dev/systty

/etc/gettydefs: now reads --
	console	# B300 SANE CLOCAL CS7 PARENB ISTRIP IXANY TAB3 HUPCL
	#Console Login: #console

ESCAPED the boot sequence, went into "Boot Administration mode" and:
	PATH console rs232_a.300.7.even<CR>
	reset

This is close to working as I wish except when I `shutdown'; then the
console goes to 9600 baud.  When I `reboot' it goes back to 300.

Did I forget something or ... ?
-- 
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Dept. of Physics, Univ. of Toronto         |  triad and not a triangle?"
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: skrbec@tophat4.rtsg.mot.com (Brad Skrbec)
Subject: Information about HP 150 Touchscreen, please
Reply-To: skrbec@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:54:44 GMT

Well, I'll bother you all with this one more time, and then
I'll trash this thing...

Does anyone have any information as to where I can gain access
to the operating system software (or any software, for that matter)
for the HP 150 touchscreen computer?

I recently came into the possession of one of these beasts, and it
has no OS and just a dual 3-1/2" floppy drive.  Any help would
be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
   Brad

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From: ajs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan Silverstein)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:55:22 GMT
Subject: Re: HP 7xx problem with virtual memory (HP-UX 8.05)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> This morning as I checked the amount of memory and swap used I noted
> that there was still over half of the swap space allocated even though
> there were only two Vuegreets and a couple of xterms running from this
> cluster.

What are you using to check swap usage?  Just wondering.

If you have 8.07 available, you might try running the /etc/swapinfo
program with the -t option (for a totals line), and note the "hold"
line.  (I think you could ftp it from an 8.07 system and it would run OK
on 8.05.)  The "hold" line represents swap space not allocated on any
particular swap area (device or file system) nor dedicated to any
specific process, but nonetheless reserved for existing processes.  It
can be significant.

Yes, reserving all swap that a process might ever need is a conservative
approach...  This has been discussed before.  I don't know what changes
if any are in the works.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: gordon@maxwell.uwaterloo.ca (Gordon R. Strachan)
Subject: Re: utils wanted: talk[d], gcc, printcap->lpadmin, tip, slip
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:06:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.184807.23819@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson)) writes:
>In article <21160@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> cccbrian@othello.ucdavis.edu (Brian C Hill) writes:
>>
>>	I am looking for several utilities for 9000/400's running 
>>7.0 and 8.0. I have checked the faq, but it makes no reference to 
>>any of them:
>>	b) A talk and talk daemon for the hp.
>>	
>>	e) xbiff - not that big a deal. Trying to compile X11r4
>>	programs outside of the sources can be a big hassle.
>
>I put these on the iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu ftp node a while ago. Do NOT
>try to use talk that has not be modified to deal with the HP-UX utmp
>file structure, although it will appear to work for a while.

If it is the same version of talkd I was ported then its not a big change
to get it to work.  All you have to do is alter the find_user routine to
detect dead processes and skip them.  My code looks like this (stolen from
the fingerd code I had).

        while (fread((char *) &ubuf, sizeof ubuf, 1, fd) == 1)
                if (SCMPN(ubuf.ut_name, name) == 0) {
#ifdef hpux
                 if(ubuf.ut_type != USER_PROCESS){
                  if(debug)
                   syslog(LOG_INFO,"Skipping utmp entry for %s",name);
                  continue;
                 }
#endif

Gordon


From: hstroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Howard Stroyan)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:24:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Using starbase in X
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, floyd@media.mit.edu (Bob Sabiston) writes:

> The problem is that about half my graphics show up in the window and
> then the computer hangs.  I have a theory that the program is hanging
> at the points in my program where I access the frame buffer directly
> (using the gescape call R_LOCK_DEVICE).  I have to access the frame buffer
> in this way to draw icons, and to draw antialiased fonts and lines.
>  
> Does anyone know if the R_LOCK_DEVICE gescape can be used in programs
> that run in Xwindows?  If so, anybody have any idea what could cause the
> program to hang my machine?

As John indicated, you can use direct frame buffer access in an X window,
but I would recommend that you modify your code to use X or Starbase to
perform the same functionality.  You could use either of these API's to 
block_read the framebuffer's contents into a working buffer in memory, 
perform your modifications and then block_write back the result.  This 
method will deal with the issues of window clipping and offsets for you.
For the icons you mention, only a block_write should be necessary.

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Systems Technology Division
From: gould@pilot.njin.net (Brian Jay Gould)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Is there a UUCP for HP MPE/IX?
Date: 6 Jan 93 03:27:17 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I am posting this for someone else, but please reply via e-mail.

Is there an implementation of uucp for HP 3000 running MPE/IX.
I don't know anything about the beast, but I imagine that
UUCP exists for practically everything.

Thanks for sending replies to gould@pilot.njin.net.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: richard@fc.hp.com (Richard Artz)
Subject: Re: /etc/rc
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:59:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
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mario aranha (mario@cad4.lbl.gov) wrote:
: I've been trying to start some software license
: daemons automatically at boot on a 700/8.07 by
: calling them in the localrc() function in /etc/rc.

I've found it convenient to stick them at the end of the /etc/inittab file. 


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From: iversen@dsfys1.fi.uib.no (Per Steinar Iversen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: audswitch?
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:18:48 GMT
Reply-To: iversen@vsfys1.fi.uib.no
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Bergen, Norway



An HP here has developed the interesting habit of refusing to modify the 
passwd file with chfn:

hans:maxwell>chfn hans
chfn: audswitch: Not owner

What is audswitch? The man pages give no clue...Any information on how this
can be cured will be appreciated.

-psi

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: berry@socrates.umd.edu (Joseph Berry)
Subject: Re: Glance for IBM/SUNs/etc
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:30:25 GMT

austinaz@rcwusr.bp.com writes:

>Glance seems like it does everything I need....but is there a similar type
>of product that runs on IBM and SUN as well.....One product that will allow
>me to monitor the performance of numerous workstations...

Sure, our product,  PROBE/X, works on HP, SUN, IBM, and SCO (with more ports
coming). I think you'll  also find that our product presents more  performance
metrics.

If you need some technical information you can call me at the below  phone
number. Our sales office is at 703-902-8000.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: umberto@aomc.jussieu.fr (Umberto D'Ortona)
Subject: Re: Problem with ISO8859 and HP keyboard
Organization: AOMC, Universite Pierre et Marie Curie, Paris, France
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:16:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.125830.8710@ratp.fr>, jt@ratp.fr (Janick TAILLANDIER) writes:
|> I have installed patch PHSS_1659 on an HP9000/400 (HP-UX 8.0) to be able
|> to use the ISO8859-1 character set with the resource "HPterm*roman8" set
|> to "False" and an appropriate ISO font.
|> 
|> Everything works fine but...  with an HP46021AF keyboard (French layout),
|> the key sequence [Ext Char][`] does not generate the character '|' (decimal
|> 124) but a character whose decimal value is 166.  I am worried since this
|> key sequence in the only way to introduce the '|' character (very useful on
|> Unix :-) with a French keyboard.
|> 
|> Have I missed something ?
|> 
|> Janick Taillandier
|> jt@ratp.fr

Hi,
I have a analogous problem.
Same keyboard, HP720 and HP-UX 8.05
When I work in a hpterm, I obtain the pipe character "|"
by typing  [Ext Char][`] but when I work in a xterm,
the same sequence give me a capital i with a hat 
something like I^ . So I compile and execute the small
following C program 

#include <stdio.h>
main() {
    int c;
    while ((c =getchar())!= EOF) {
        printf("%d \n",c);
    }
}
When I execute it in hpterm, and I type  [Ext Char][`] 
it give me 124, fine but when I execute it in a xterm
it give me 166. 
Till now, I have found no solution, if I want a pipe in
a xterm (and I'm oblige to use xterm, because on some computer
there is no hpterm) I have tu cut and paste from an hpterm.
So I think my problem is very close from the one of Janick Taillandier.
I have also red the two answers of Arne Thormodsen and, may be I'm not
so smart, but I don't see the solution.
Hope this will help to fix the problem
  

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: stratton@cup.hp.com (Jim Stratton)
Subject: Re: /bin/sh on HP-UX on HP-9000, case problem
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:56:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Dennis Smith (quenton@Cherniak.ON.CA) wrote:
| 
| I just started using an HP-9000.  I had to port a few hundres
| utilities, some C and some shell scripts.  I found that most of my
| shell scripts failed.  The problem appeared to be statements of the form:
| 
| 	case "abc?def" in
| 	   *"?"*) echo OK;;
| 	esac

This is a known problem in the 8.x releases of HP-UX.  It is fixed in 9.0.
A patch is also available.

- Jim Stratton

stratton@cup.hp.com
Open Systems Software Division, Hewlett-Packard Company
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: walt@eng.clemson.edu (Walter B. Ligon III)
Subject: question about HP700 models and memory
Reply-To: walt@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:14:06 GMT

I have two HP700 series workstations that I inherited.  I'm not exactly
sure which models they are.  They are both desktop models, and one has
the model number:

A2263A

while the other is:

A1094A

Can anyone tell me whether these are 720, 730, 750, or what?
The next question concerns memory upgrade.  I would like to expand the
memory in these to the maximum.  Can anyone tell me how much these beasts will
hold, what size SIMM's I need to use, and whether these are standard SIMMs or
proprietary?

Walt
From: mark@elea.umd.edu (Mark Sienkiewicz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning/layout (Was: New 877 Installation)
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:08:41 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <JTHOMAS.92Dec28161410@navajo.nmsu.edu> jthomas@nmsu.edu (James Thomas) writes:
>b)  Back 20 years ago, I could tell TOPS-10 where I wanted its equivalent
>to the inode table.  That is still missing in unix.  If I set a disk up
>with only section 2, I would like to be able to say that the inode table
>should be put smack in the middle (if I don't want a single file,
>contiguous though unix also can't particulary do that anyway).  That
>way seeks are minimized when the relatively common requirement to find some
>inode information happens.

You can't tell it where exactly to put the inodes, but you can adjust
the size of the cylinder groups.  In the BSD filesystem (which HPUX
certainly appears to be using), the disk is split up into "cylinder groups".  
Each cylinder group has a bunch of inodes and a bunch of data blocks.  Data
blocks are allocated from the same cylinder group that the inode is in
(subject to some restrictions).  You can see some of the things to tweak
in the man page for tunefs.


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