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In article <BxM2Ls.KD5@sti.com>, stev0@sti.com (Steve Berlin) writes:

>Now, what *I* think is interesting is that I've yet to hear of anyone
>becoming a Katefan through what most of us consider to be here best
>album - The Dreaming.
>
>- Stev0 the ancient

	Now you have. I heard the song _The Dreaming_ played on one of our local
alternative stations (Well, it wasn't called alternative then however). I've
always been interested in the folklore of the Dreaming and such so I bought the
tape when I came across it browsing in the store one day. I enjoyed it a lot
and began actively seeking her earlier work out after that.
	To be fair though this was awfully close to the time _Hounds of Love_
began to hit stateside, but it was _The Dreaming_ that got me hooked.
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:59:08 -0500
From: Andrea@hivnet.ubc.ca
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Hello!

Gosh (!) it's been quiet lately!  Why don't we all reminisce?  What was the 
first KaTe song everybody heard and how/where did they hear it?  Of course
maybe you've all gone over this before, in which case someone think of
something else.

Andrea
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:55:22 -0500
From: rhogan@chaph.usc.edu (Ronald Hogan)
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Kimberly Stauffer hath written (and I quote):
>Fiona McQuarrie writes
>>Re the sexual preference of Kate's fans:
>
>>Now don't you just wonder what she meant by "Your son's coming out?
>  
>Well I am not sure what the Kate herself intended here but I feel
>intuitively that it wasn't ment literaly as your son's comming
>out - giving birth or comming out as when a homosexual  "comes
>out".  But who knows.

I'm not sure about this-- ok, I'm kicking myself in the head for having bought
Peter Reich's _A_Book_of_Dreams_ two years ago and still not having read it--
but didn't he "come out" at some point in his life?

As for the Innocence Mission thread that's been going on lately, as a
related topic, I recommend the Katydids two compact discs, especially
the first one.

Ron Hogan
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On 9 Nov 92 09:25:04 GMT, s_wilkin@csd.uwe-bristol.ac.uk (Simon) said:

Simon> I can take Kit-Kats or leave them...

Simon> Does this mean I'm bi?

A healthy positive attitude towards KitKats by itself is not a
indicator of sexual orientation. What we are looking for in this case
(bisexuality) is:

1. A morbid and uncontrollable desire for KitKat (or possibly Twix).
 (and/or)
2. A, perceived as abnormal and ungovernable, fascination with the
   likeness and works of KaTe.
 (and)
3. Undisputable proof that you have had a consenting, pleasurable,
   profound sexual experience with a member of the opposite sex, eg. a
   S-VHS Stereo video-tape authenticated by three upstanding and
   impartial witness, such as vicars, aunts or schoolgirls.  

The first person to Email me a video proving their sexuality is due to
the influences of KaTe wins a very small Lioness At Heart T-Shirt.

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:28:53 -0500
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UG>I'm sad to admit that I haven't picked up any more of her albums. But
UG>have heard some songs from them so am not totally lost. I guess I get
UG>depressed every now and then when I find out that I could have been listening
UG>to these songs long ago, but failed to get them since I did not know who
UG>she was. So i'm off tomorrow to get a few of them. Probably, Kick Inside,
UG>Hounds of Love, Lioneheart?, The Dreaming?. Which do you recommend that I
UG>start with... is the prev. order OK do you think, in progression?

     I think you'll find that the majority of suggestions for your first
     Kate album will be "The Dreaming" and "Hounds Of Love."  I would
     suggest "Hounds" first, as it's my favourite Kate album and one of
     my all-time albums period, ranking right up there with Peter
     Gabriel's third and fourth albums.  (She also makes heavy use of the
     famous Gabriel "gaseous cloud effect" on "Hounds.")  I was never the
     same after listening to "Hounds," and I found Kate's voice more
     appealing on that album than I did on her others - even on "The
     Dreaming."  It takes a little time to get used to Kate's screech-owl
     vocals, which are used in abundance in her earlier work.

     And anyways, I'm a sucker for drums - which are used aplenty in
     "Hounds."  That plus those stunning, spine-chilling strings, which
     are guaranteed to send a person into ecstasy during the climax of
     "Hello Earth."
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:31:39 -0500
From: s_wilkin@csd.uwe-bristol.ac.uk (Simon)
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Shouldn't personal morals be as unconnected with musical taste
as sexuality is?

Sure, stealing is not very nice, but I'm sure thieves have families
and loved ones and can appreciate good music too.

Anybody out there a criminal who agrees with me?

Simon
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:29:49 -0500
From: "Raymond W. Chramega" <mmwwmm@mixcom.mixcom.com>
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In article <a8J1TB4w165w@netlink.cts.com>, lionhart@netlink.cts.COM (Jackie Zucconi) writes:
> 
> s_wilkin@csd.uwe-bristol.ac.uk (Simon) writes:
> 
> > 
> > Shouldn't personal morals be as unconnected with musical taste
> > as sexuality is?
> > 
> > Sure, stealing is not very nice, but I'm sure thieves have families
> > and loved ones and can appreciate good music too.
> > 
> > Anybody out there a criminal who agrees with me?
> > 
> > Simon
> 
> Simon, keep reading my original post until you understand it....
>                      Kateness,
>                            Lionheart
> 
Jackie, why this moral lesson on "stealing is bad."  Hell its a huge statement 
with some risk attached to it.  Kate Bush (I like her music but
havnt sold my soul to her!) would never denounce the thief.....shes 
an incredibly leftwing anti-capitalist person.  I can see her as a kid
stealing candy from the neighbourhood store.

And regarding your last statement, why must you be so condescending.
If you lost money because of that person, that is a risk faced by most
businesses.  However, if you're just upset because it was Kate Bush's
CD set that was stolen, thats absurd.  I have nothing against people 
who steal, since I'm not in their shoes.  What gives me the right to
have access to music and not someone without the cash. Kates music
is about looking at life in the face.....and the picture isnt that great....
.Lets not listen to her (or for that matter any good music) without
actually thinking about it in connection with what surrounds us.  If that
woman stole, dont be angry with her.  Be angy with the system that
makes such a sad act necessary.  Or for that matter think of her as 
a friend of a fellow Kate Bush fan with little to spare.  May be this 
will be a Christmas Gift.  Think about it.

Now if you dont mind I have a date with my demagnetizer at the
CD store!!! :-)

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:06:03 -0500
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> >For some reason I woke up this morning with a strong urge to buy some 10,000
> >Maniacs. So I put forth the never answerable question: With which album
> >should I start?

> DON'T start with the new album, Our Time In Eden...it really bites.

I don't know about _bites_, but don't start with it.

> The Wishing Chair is kind of folksy/indie, In My Tribe is poppy but 
> well-made, Blind Man's Zoo is alternative and dark.  I started with
> BMZ and then IMT, and I would recommend either one highly.  The
> rerelease album, Hope Chest, is also cool but I wouldn't start with it.

I say: don't start with Blind Man's Zoo.  No, no, no.

Start with The Wishing Chair or In My Tribe or Hope Chest or
(if you can get it) Secrets of the I Ching (is that the right
title?).  All of these are incredibly excellent play again and
again and again items that everyone ought to have.

> You can't see Kate while you're listening to her music. 

You can if you have a video.

> what sounds like the Sundays?

How about Opal or Mazzy Star or maybe Lush or even Bleach?

-- jd
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Subject: good one Hobbs !
From: dfong@waikato.ac.nz
Date: 3 Nov 92 17:37:01 +1300
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A big thank you to Mr. Anthony Hobbs who spoke out for us KateFans.

In the latest issue of Rip It Up, New Zealand's premiere music magazine 
you can find his letter to a not-so-nice reviewer who in giving a good 
review to Tori's album, made some slightly dubious remarks about 
Kate's abilities. (Have I got that right?)

Well done Anthony !
You've done us proud !

This has been a congratulatory message from :
De Fish!

p.s.
And not to waste a message :

Whereabouts is Tori playing ?

And how's this for a letdown. I finally found a copy of the Cruicify CD,
But it's just the normal one, without the cover versions - damn ;-|
Is the regular CD still worth getting ?


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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:57:06 -0500
From: moorsa@rpi.edu (Alan E. Moorse)
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My first Kate contact was, of all places, aboard USS Nimitz in the Indian
Ocean. I had just come off watch, and arrived in our berthing lounge to
find that "Saturday Night Live" was playing (sent out to the ship on tape,
of course). There was Kate doing "Them Heavy People."
 
I wrote a card home to my apartment-mate and told him to buy whatever he
could find by her. This was a system we had -- I sent orders and occasionally
checks for my purchases, and he bought 'em, taped 'em, and sent 'em. I got
TKI, with Crack the Sky's "White Music" on the flip side. I still have the 
tape. It was part one of a major musical change for me.
 
The song that finally did me in, though, was "Army Dreamers." And with
"Night Scented Stock" and "Breathing" on the same album! Luckily for me,
Never for Ever didn't come out until I was almost out of the USNavy --
my opportunity to walk came just about the time my pacifism solidified.
Whew!
 
 
To change the subject: I just recently heard about Happy Rhodes and bought
"Warpaint." The address for correspondence in the CD case lists an address
in Albany, N.Y., about 6 miles from here, but I've never seen a performance
listing for her. Is *she* based in upstate/central New York, and does she
perform anywhere regularly?

alanm

I have a friend in Phobos. Sometimes I think I'm almost... there. HR


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From: v115p8d6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (she listens like her head's on fire..)
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In article <9211121255.AA12504@perseus.cs.utwente.nl>, kortink@cs.utwente.nl (John Kortink) writes...
> 
>Andrea@hivnet.ubc.ca writes:
> 
>> Gosh (!) it's been quiet lately!  Why don't we all reminisce?  What was the 
>> first KaTe song everybody heard and how/where did they hear it?
> 
>Nice question. Reminisce of this stuff is always nice.
> 
>It seems a lot of you folks are 'laters'. I picked up on her music when
>TKI came out, and my brother (I wasn't buying records yet) continued to
>follow her record releases. Wuthering Heights must have been my very
>first 'contact'.

'Laters'?! In 1978 I was still playing with legos!
I didn't start listening to her until later, in secondary school, when we
moved to a place that played a greater variety of music on the radio...
and alot of British music. I got Hounds of Love when it was first released.


this is in defence of all those who were too young to appreciate KB when
she started out.:-)


> 
> 
>John Kortink
> 
>Student of Informatics at the University of Twente, The Netherlands
>(God, will I ever stop doing things 'on the side' and get it done?)
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:54:33 -0500
From: Andrea@hivnet.ubc.ca
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Subject: Still more on the gay/straight issue
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With regard to Jeffrey C. Burka's post:  who said anything about causation?
Oh, I see.  You mean being gay leads one to like Kate rather than the other
way around.  That kind of causation.  Okay.  Maybe.  I agree with Eric Walker's
post (sorry, I don't know how to copy the exact passages to refer to.  Can
anyone tell me?) that we are drawn to acceptance and accepting people and
are therefore drawn to Kate.  And I suppose if it is going to be discussed
then here is the place.  But why?  What new revelations can we possibly
come up with?  As for the food issue, obviously that was an example of how
absurd I felt it was.  Besides I'm a very picky eater! :-)  You're right 
though, about Kate's looks not having anything to do with this issue, that
was my point.  I was once again unsuccesfully referring to someone else's
post.  They had said, I believe, that they knew several straight men who
liked Kate merely (or initially) for her looks.

Oh, and I HATE KitKat bars. :-)

Andrea.
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:36:40 -0500
Subject: Kate and Prince
From: lionhart@netlink.cts.COM (Jackie Zucconi)
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Well, I liek 'em both and personally I'd like to see a remake of Darling 
Nikki with Kate adding some ad-lib backing vocals...just another strange 
dream of mine.....]|>
                     Kateness,
                           Lionheart

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:06:27 -0500
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Subject: Re: Sheet Music Rip-Off
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Fiona_McQuarrie@sfu.ca writes:

>I just bought the sheet music book for THe Sensual World at a clearance
>sale, and, boy, am I glad I didn't pay full price for it ($30.00 CDN). The
>transcriptions of the songs consist of the melody line and guitar chords.
>No bass, no orchestration, only the barest of "other stuff" (e.g. the line
>that runs under the spoken opening of The Fog).

>I could sit down for a few hours and probably work out a reasonable
>approximation of this music myself - at least as much is what is passed off
>as the "sheet music" in this book. This is a rip-off. I would much sooner
>see production money spent on a *full* transcription. particularly for
>songs this intricate and detailed, rather than on glossy photos and
>posters.

>Not a happy camper
>Fiona McQuarrie
>fmcquarr@sfu.ca

This has been the reason I don't buy any of Kate's sheet music, and
why I am trying to find 'The Best of Kate Bush', since that is the
_only_ one that has decent transcriptions of the songs.

Maybe we should write to somebody about it. (But who ... ?)

Chris.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:35:49 -0500
Subject: The silence is deafening!
From: lionhart@netlink.cts.COM (Jackie Zucconi)
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Andrea@hivnet.ubc.ca writes:

> Hello!
> 
> Gosh (!) it's been quiet lately!  Why don't we all reminisce?  What was the 
> first KaTe song everybody heard and how/where did they hear it?  Of course
> maybe you've all gone over this before, in which case someone think of
> something else.
> 
> Andrea

I like this question! OK, I had heard Kate many a times but never was 
aware of who it was or anything so I'll recount my first time when I was 
cognizant of the fact. It was at a friends house in early '86 (Jan or so) 
when she wanted to play an album that she bought as an experiement. My 
first thought was "oh great she's gonna pawn it off on me to get her 
money back!" Well, the first thing I heard was Jig of Life...I jumped out 
of the chair..WHOA cool Irish folk! I then looked at the album and sleeve 
and was immediately entranced. I asked to hear Waking the Witch, it looke 
d interesting. She didn't want to play it at first but then gave in to my 
demands. When I heard "go down ye red red roses..." I leaped out of my 
skin, not just the chair...to think SHE, this stranger, knows that 
whaling song. Well I offered my friend twice the amount she paid for the 
record but she wouldn't sell it, I had to get my own...thus began 
history.
                     Kateness,
                           Lionheart

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:50:37 -0500
From: turney@wilkes1.wilkes.edu (jennifer turney)
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Drewcifer wrote:
> Everything on Secrets of the I Ching is on the Hope Chest. I had a tape of
> SofIC taped off a record (horrible sound quality) and all the songs on that
> tape were on the cd Hope Chest. The other songs come from Human Factor Number
> 5.

Um, that's Human CONFLICT Number 5.

I'd definitely list In My Tribe as the best starting point.  I too
think Our Time in Eden is less than completely satisfying.  Some of
the songs on it are great but others are really rather unorganized.  I
often wonder whether the music is retrofit to the lyrics.  I prefer
for the words and music to work together and be written within that
context.  I like Natalie's lyrics but the tune sometimes feels
incidental.

Jenn
turney@wilkes1.wilkes.edu
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:35:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Ticked off
From: lionhart@netlink.cts.COM (Jackie Zucconi)
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s_wilkin@csd.uwe-bristol.ac.uk (Simon) writes:

> 
> Shouldn't personal morals be as unconnected with musical taste
> as sexuality is?
> 
> Sure, stealing is not very nice, but I'm sure thieves have families
> and loved ones and can appreciate good music too.
> 
> Anybody out there a criminal who agrees with me?
> 
> Simon

Simon, keep reading my original post until you understand it....
                     Kateness,
                           Lionheart

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:19:30 -0500
Subject: re: Ran Tan and the Straight Issue
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