HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: USENET on CDROM
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:45:10 GMT


I seem to recall that somewhere someone offers USENET articles archived on
CDROM. Cananyone tell me where I might find these discs? Cost? Thanks.

MJ
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  =-=-=  The official .signature of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. =-=-=
From: gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM (Gess Shankar)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Mitsumi's Address
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:00:33 GMT
Organization: Knowledge Exchange, GA, US of A

korpela@rocket.ssl.berkeley.edu (Eric J. Korpela) writes:

> In article <76@motatl.UUCP> mad@motatl.UUCP (Mark Davidson) writes:
> >
> >I am looking for an address or phone number for the US headquarters for Mits
> >If they have a BBS, that would be useful as well. 
> >
> 
> I'm interested in getting this info as well.  Please post it, rather than
> email it.
> 
> Thanks in advance.

The Mitsumi Calif office can be contacted at: Santa Clara (408) 970-0700.

GeSS
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From: blob@Apple.COM (Brian Bechtel)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Version Number in ISO Formatted CDROM (sorry, long) (fwd)
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:12:14 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

bwilliam@iat.holonet.net (Bill Williams) writes:

>>> "Should I include version numbers or not?"

>No do not include them. By default the ";1" is annoying and ugly if all
>files on the disk, or in a directory are ";1" and besides THE
>SPECIFICATION DOES NOT SAY THEY ARE MANDATORY to press into the ISO9660.

I disagree.  ISO 9660, Section 12.3.1 (Requirements for an originating
system) says:  [Text in brackets is my comments, not in spec.]

"The implementation [i.e. the originating system creating an ISO 9660
CD-ROM] shall allow the data preparer to supply the information that is
to be recorded in each of the descriptor fields below, and shall supply
the information for a field if the data preparer does not supply it.

[...]
For each Directory Record:
[...]
File Version Number of a File Identifier
[...]"

>I will not include than if I even master anything sow any defective
>ISO9660 implementators better beware.

I'd say that your discs would be defective, not the receiving system.
What we've been arguing about is the requirements on the receiving
system.  The ambiguity here is that the version number is not listed as
a requirement for the receiving system (i.e. ISO 9660 file system
translator, MSCDEX, etc.) to present to the end user.

--Brian Bechtel     blob@apple.com     "My opinion, not Apple's"
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: larr@SEQ1.LOC.GOV ("", Linda L. Arret)
Subject: marking or labelling cdroms
Reply-To: "(Linda L. Arret)" <larr@SEQ1.LOC.GOV>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:32:21 GMT

Has anyone had good experience marking or labelling cdrom disks, not
the jewel boxes but the disks?  So that the marks or labels are
eye-readable and do not do any damage to the disks.  The information
to be included on such a label might be a 10-15 character i.d number
and a 5-10 character alpha location symbol.  Are there permanent
marking pens, adhesive labels, or some kind of engraving tools that
work but do no damage to the disks?

Linda Arret
Humanities and Social Sciences Division
Library of Congress
ph: 202-707-1490
int: larr@seq1.loc.gov
From: lauren@vortex.COM (Lauren Weinstein)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: formats and distributions
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:53:00 GMT
Organization: Vortex Technology

Greetings.  A couple of short elementary questions:

1) Do the standard CD-ROM formats restrict filenames to the standard
   DOS 8 main + 3 ext formats?  If so, how are vendors of Unix-related
   CD-ROMs dealing with this?  Cpio or tar files?

2) Related to (1).  Does anyone know what format Sunsoft is using for
   their CD-ROM distributions for Solaris (for PCs)?  Is it absolutely
   necessary to have a SCSI CD-ROM player on the target system, or could
   the software be brought in over a LAN from a DOS system that has an
   attached (non-SCSI) CD-ROM player?

Thanks much.

--Lauren--
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:22:10 -0400 
From: "Robert W. Jordan" <rj25+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP ME!

   I am a freshman at Carnegie Mellon University and I need some help. 
At CMU, students don't declare their major until after their sophomore
year.  Right now, I've kind of decided on majoring in Creative Writing. 
However, what I think would be way cool to do is develop my own major
called, "Computer-based Multimedia Development."
    The major part of developing my own major is formulating a proposal
to be submitted to the Academic Head-Cheeses so they can decide to give
me the go-ahead.  But as a part of this proposal, I have to pick several
existing classes that would be useful in pursuing my desired major.  In
my idea for Computer-based Multimedia Development, I'd think it would be
necessary to include classes that teach understanding of sound
recording, music, graphics, animation, and even use of multimedia
programs.  Of the classes I have put in my plan, some are in the Design
Dept., some are in the Art Dept., some are in the Music Dept., and some
are even in the English Dept.  Still, all of them teach some integral
theme to understanding and developing multimedia.
    The classes I have included are listed below, with a short reason
why I chose them:

Physics of Musical Sound                       These are all classes that
Keyboard Studies I/II, III/IV, and V/VI       are concerned with developing
Sound Recording I/II                           sound and musical skills.
Electronic and Computer Music I/II

Electronic Media Studio I/II                   These classes deal with using
Computer Drawing & Painting I/II               computers for animation and
2-D Computer Animation                         multimedia production.
3-D Computer Animation
Interactive Multimedia
Electronic Print and New Media Production

Documenting the Visual                         These classes teach fundamental
Integrating Visual and Verbal Text             uses of color, graphic
represent-
Color                                          ation, and typography. 
They also
Typography 1, 2, and 3                         deal with how people perceive
Non-Verbal Communication                       and communicate with images.
Information Design
Visual Language
Kinetic Typography
Visual Interface Design


    But I need more.  If anyone out there can help me, this is what I ask:
What are some things that somebody majoring in Computer-based Multimedia
Development should be learning how to do?  What benefits could I get
with a degree in this?  I am aware of the uses of multimedia for
animation, presentations, information kiosks, demonstrations, etc.  But
what reasons can I give the faculty at CMU to persuade them to let me
pursue this?  Any comments and feedback is much appreciated, and I will
try to get back to anybody who responds to this.  Thanks.

                   Rob Jordan
  
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From: eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: NEC CD-ROM drives
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:19:37 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory

In article <BvnKD6.Kr6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:
>eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale) writes:
>>	Well that works just fine if you are using MS-DOG, but those of us
>>using various variants of unix are screwed.  We need a consistent set of SCSI
>>commands for the audio, and it does not really cut it to have each drive use
>>a proprietary non-standard set of commands.
>*----
>What's your point?  I've been using Unix since 1975, and at that
>time, even SCSI and SMD disk command sets weren't consistent or
>standard.  It's not that I don't agree with you - it's just that

	The reason that I raised the issue is that someone claimed that the
different command sets were irrelevant, since the low level MS-DOG drivers and
MSCDEX hid them all from you.

>some of us aren't willing to wait until everything is a mature
>standard before purchasing equipment.  By that time its mostly
>obsolete!  In your case, just constrain yourself to the limited
>subset of peripherals that your operating system provider supports,

	Again, you misunderstand my position.  I did part of the kernel
programming to add scsi cdrom support to linux.  I would be just as happy to
add ioctls to implement the audio functions to the linux kernel , but I simply
do not know what the commands are (the scsi-II functions are already there, but
no one has tried them because I do not know of any scsi-II compliant drives).
I was not willing to expend a lot of effort to try and pry the info out of NEC,
since I was primarily interested in implementing the iso filesystem.  Besides,
they would only work for NEC, and we would need to also add code for Sony, et.
al. to have a complete implementation.

>and you won't have any cause to complain.  Or wait another year
>or two, and by then the genuine SCSI-II complaint units should 
>be available.

	I agree that in the long run the problem will no longer exist.

>Actually, I thought the MSCDEX extentions did a good job of
>hiding the low-level command set differences of CD-ROMs.  A
>similar standard for Unix could be just as effective.

	Again, in the long run this would not be needed.  I suspect that
most people do not care very much about the audio functions, so I do not expect
this to happen.

-- 
Eric Youngdale
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 09:26:48 PST
From: <HARVEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: The Bible Library

In article <1992Sep28.131637.13973@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, noel@crs.cl.msu.edu
(Noel Estabrook) says:
>
>In article <tnhznnp@rpi.edu> gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile) writes:
>>I have seen this CD advertised in numerous places, but none
>>of the mail order houses know anything about it, even if they
>>sell it.  Has anyone seen/used this disc, or know who makes
>>it so that I can get detailed info on it?  Thanks
>
>I would try my local chain-type Christian Bookstore.  Some place like
>Zondervan's.  I know my book store has quite a bit of computer Bible stuff.
There is a listing for it in CD-ROM,Inc, catalog and they list the price
at 149.00 Computers at Large has it for 79.00. The listing reads "Contains
nine Bibles :American Standard version, Hebrew-Greek Transliteration, King
James Version, Literal English translation, Living Bible, New King James,
New International Version, Revised Standard Version, and Simple English New
Testament. also contains 2 Bible language Dictionaries, 3 word studies, 6
dictionaries and references, 2 commentaries, 1 hymn stories(Osbeck 101 hymn
Stories) and six sermon outlines.
CD-ROM Inc   800-821-5245
Computers at Large 800-642-4194
Bureau Of Electronic Publishing 800 828-4766

Harold
Harvey@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu
From: jegm@cody.esd.sgi.com (Jim Morris)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Adaptec 1542B, NEC-74, and Kodak Photo-CD?
Keywords: CD-rom photo
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:15:38 GMT
Reply-To: jegm@esd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

I just talked with Kodak, and they said that the CDR84/74 is *NOT* compatible.
They didn't know why, but they are actively working with NEC. Of course NEC
denies any knowledge of any problems!

Seeing as NEC is falsely advertising the fact that they can read Photo-CD (a
single session) I suspect you can write them a nasty letter asking for your
money back. Thats what I am going to do. Hopefully it will pry loose the latest
firmware from them, one that also fixes the incompatibility with ISO9660 CD's
like the Sigraph proceedings CDROM etc.

Actually I rather like the NEC drive, its fast and keeps the dust out of the
mechanism, I just wish they were a little more responsive to problems.
-- 
Jim Morris, Email: jegm@esd.sgi.com  Voice: (415) 390-5136
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: jack@larc.nasa.gov (Jack Dunn)
Subject: Re: SB Pro CD upgrade vs. Sony CD drive
Reply-To: jack@larc.nasa.gov
Organization: ASEB/SySD LaRC NASA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:04:46 GMT

In article 284@mindlink.bc.ca, Brian_Plank@mindlink.bc.ca (Brian Plank) writes:
>I am considering buying either a Creative Labs CD-ROM upgrade kit
>or a Sony CDU-535 drive. In my part of the world, they both cost
>approximately the same but the Creative Labs CD-ROM comes with
>bundled software, including Windows 3.1 (which I don't already
>have). I am leaning towards the upgrade kit.
>
>Could an upgrade kit owner answer these questions for me:
>
>Is the CD-ROM drive in the kit reasonably fast? Is it reliable?
>What type of caddy does it use? (proprietary, Sony, Phillips)
The drive is fast enought to support 150Kbytes/sec continious data rate.
It use the Sony caddie.
>
>Could a Sony CDU-535 owner answer this question for me:
>
>Does it co-exist, and work with a Sound Blaster Pro card? I.E. are
>there any interrupt or I/O address conflicts between the SB Pro
>and the Sony-BUS interface card?
I do not have the CDU-535, but I replaced a "old" Sony, CDU-531,
with the upgrade.  This used the Sony buss. I had them both work, but
the CD did not use any interrupts.
>
>Is there anything else I should know?
>
>Thanks in advance to anyone who replies.
>
>
From: eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: NEC CD-ROM drives
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:47:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory

In article <BvpE2K.AD0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:
>That DOES work for ms-dos, provided the manufacturer provides a device
>driver for his CD-ROM.  I don't think your goal of a completely
>manufacturer-independent box will ever be achieved.  Otherwise

	Since we were only talking about the command set, I don't see why not.
The CDROM data commands are now standard, and in time the audio commands will
be as well.  The different manufacturers will be able to differentiate
themselves based upon seek time, size of track buffer, MTBF, and multi-session
capability.

>I guess I still don't understand your position.  I thought you were
>complaining that using features of peripherals outside the standards
>was a real pain.  Yes it is.  I just don't understand what you think
>we should do about it, other than waiting for the standard to be
>finalized and implemented.  Incidentally, one phone call got me
>the NEC CD-ROM command set.  Likewise Denon.  Neither company charged
>me for the information.  If you're not willing to put in THAT much
>effort, then I don't see any cause for complaint.

	I was complaining about features outside of the standard, but when I
first posted I had not been aware that the manufacturers will be using the
standard in the future.  It had appeared to me as if manufacturers were
intentionally ignoring the standard in favor of proprietary command sets.

	As far as the effort to support existing drives is concerned, the fact
that different drives use different audio command sets raised the amount of
work required to implement the audio in the linux kernel above what I was
willing to do.  If it were the data commands, then I suppose I would have to
buckle down and work it though, but the audio functions were very much a side
issue for me, since I was primarily interested in a filesystem.

-Eric
-- 
Eric Youngdale
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: baford@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bret Ford)
Subject: Hitachi CDR-1700S
Summary: Installation problems
Keywords: ugh
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:37:04 GMT

    Hello All,

I am having problems installing a Hitachi cdrom in a 
PowerMate 1 Plus box (NEC).  I don't think the system knows its
there.  I get a Not Ready error, and no drive spin.
hitachia.sys is given the default parameters /D:MSCD000
/N:1 /P:300.  The I/O address on the Hitachi bus was 300, which 
should work. mscdex.exe got /d:mscd000 /m:12. the rom's switches are
1-on 2-off 3-off 4-off 5-on 6-off. 

  Any help much appreciate.

=Bret.
From: cfw@unixland.natick.ma.us (Christopher Wroten)
Subject: Windows 3.1 Programmer's Doc onBooks on CD-ROM??
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:40:58 GMT

Does anyone know if Microsoft or some other company has the Microsoft
Windows 3.1 Programmer's Reference Series (8 books I think) on CD-ROM?

Thanks!

Christopher Wroten
cfw@unixland.natick.ma.us

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: NEC CD-ROM drives
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: world,local
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:23:41 GMT

tswanson@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES.) writes:
>I'm getting the itch to buy a CD-ROM drive and have pretty much settled on
>an NEC 74 or 84.  Is there any difference between the two drives besides
>external vs. internal (and price)?

>I thought they were the same, but was a little confused by a recent post
>that said the 74 had better buffering.  

>I'd also be interested in general opinions of the drives' performance,
>particularly with handling multimedia apps.
*----
The drives are v-e-r-y fast.  The CDR-74/84 are identical except for
external vs. internal.  You may be confused by the previous models,
CDR-73/83, which meet multimedia specs but do their buffering 
poorly.  The CDR-73M/83M correct that deficiency.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: ycheung@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Yat Lok L. Cheung)
Subject: Looking for used/outdated CDROM discs.
Organization: University of Hawaii at Manoa
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:48:25 GMT


I am looking for used/outdated/surplus CDROMs source.  If you have any
info (or if you want to sell some of your rarely use CDROMs), please 
let me know.  

Thanks in advance, 

<Lawrence>...
ycheung@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
From: "kevin mandoske" <kevin.mandoske@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: cdrom/audio card
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:04:28 EST
Reply-To: "kevin mandoske" <kevin.mandoske@execnet.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Executive Networks Information

I have an external Sony (BSR CD from DAK) CD Drive.  How do I connect this 
to my original Soundblaster Audio Card?  Is this possible?  What do I need 
to do this and where do I get it?

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International ILink Host
Newsgroups: alt.comedy.british
From: daniel@csgi63.dcs.leeds.ac.uk (D N Crow)
Subject: Re: Mary Whitehouse was (Re: British comedy shows.)
Organization: School of Computer Studies, University of Leeds
Keywords: shows comedy Whitehouse Enfield
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:05:56 GMT
X-Posted-From: csgi63.leeds.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Mary Whitehouse is the President (for life...) of the National Viewers and
Listeners Association. This is a shadowy body that appear to consist of
Mrs. Whitehouse, and is responsible for a large proportion of the complaints
lodged with the BBC, ITV and the Press Complaints Commission. Previous posters
who cite her as: a prude; an interfering old bat; a right royal pain in the
arse are all correct. She represents the most repressed, killjoy sectors of
British society. Ugh.

-- 
Dan Crow
daniel@scs.leeds.ac.uk
From: sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (Simon Rooney)
Subject: Re: BlackAdder - the Cavalier Years & Spitting Image
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:46:27 GMT


>>I have seen some references to this, and read the script on the net.
>>But I have never before heard of The Cavalier Years, despite being an
>>avid BlackAdder fan, nor have my collegues.
>>Was this ever broadcast on British TV ? or is it available on video ?

>It was part of UK Comic Relief, and is available on one of the Comic Relief
>videos.

On the subject, what else is on that vid? Does it have the Spitting
image "A Question Of Spit" That and the BA are the two main bits I
remember from the show.

MNSio
From: lkirby@axion.bt.co.uk (Lewis Kirby)
Newsgroups: alt.comedy.british
Subject: Re: Lyrics for the Slow Train
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:20:49 GMT
Reply-To: lkirby@axion.bt.co.uk (Lewis Kirby)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


In article <1992Sep28.003104.1470@news2.cis.umn.edu>, lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
|> Does anyone have the lyrics for Flanders and Swann's "The Slow Train?"
|> 
|> More specifically, can you help out with the cities they sing about?
|> The rest is understandable, but trying to guess the names of some of
|> the towns is quite difficult for these Merican ears.
|> 
|> I can handle Windmill End and St Erth, but can only guess at names like
|> Kirkby Muckslow. See what I mean?

I can help with this one: Kirby Muxloe - I was born there.

Lewis G Kirby   Telephone +44 473 645807
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From: mh6c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Hofsass)
Newsgroups: alt.comedy.british,rec.humor,rec.humor.d,alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy,alt.tv.seinfeld,alt.fan.dice-man,alt.fan.letterman,alt.fan.howard-stern,alt.tv.simpsons,alt.fan.monty-python
Subject: Re: Comedy Survey
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:38:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QemTEnG00VpCEJCmYz
	<1992Sep25.173817.14772@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA




Well...

	Ah, hell...NAKED WOMEN would be nice...forget the pictures...

	And I was always partial to Bugs Bunny cartoons myself...

MAGE.
Newsgroups: alt.comedy.british
From: csedlack@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher Sedlack)
Subject: Re: British comedy shows! (Whitehouse, Enfield, etc.)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:51:31 GMT
Keywords: shows comedy Whitehouse Enfield

pete@eo11.eoc.com (Peter Cockerell) writes:

>She was also immortalized in `Pigs, Three different ones' on Pink
>Floyd's Animals:

>Hey you Whitehouse
>Ha ha, Charade you are
>You house-proud town mouse,
>Ha ha, Charade you are
>You're trying to keep our feelings off the street
>You've got to stem the evil tide
>And keep it all on the inside
>I know you feel abused

Actually, this line is "And do you feel abused?"

>Mary you're nearly a laugh

"treat" instead of "laugh"

>But you're really a cry

>(from memory, but you get the idea...)
Pretty good work, from memory...

>Pete

Chris Sedlack

csedlack@imsa.edu
csedlack@uiuc.edu

The sigless wonder
From: c9107143@cc.newcastle.edu.au (You Can't Drown You Fool You're Immortal)
Newsgroups: alt.comedy.british
Subject: The Dangerous Brothers???? Rik And Adrian
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:45:53 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA

Has anyone seen a show starring Rik Myall And Adrian Edmonson called
the Dangerous Brothers??
It's on video here in Australia but I"ve never seen an episode of it
and I was wondering if it was any good (that's probably a silly question 
but anyway) before I charge out and buy it.....
thanks
later
Kurgen