From: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu (StarWatcher)
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
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Organization: UIUC Actuarial Science Program
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:36:26 GMT
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asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...) writes:
: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu was telling me...
: >asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...) writes:

[re op-bots:]
:I figure most of
:the people who are on #bondage like the security of the channel.  Other places
:I think not.  Still #bondage can be managed just fine w/o Monitor.

Mebbie, but it wouldn't be the same channel if there wasn't some sort
of channel-keeper.  If invite/op bots were outlawed, there would probably
be a few #bondage regulars who would incorporate monitor's features into
their own .ircrc's, and just stay logged in to irc all the time.  Then
what?  Would you start wanting them to be banned?  If that happens, we
ought to start banning all of the ops who stay logged in for 16-20 hours
a day, but are more often away than there.

:>Is the idea of only opping certain people elitist?  Perhaps, depending
:>on who the bot recognizes.  I would have objections to a bot whose sole
:
:Haha, I love this.  Depending on who the bot ops varys it's elitist state?
:Sounds like  'If It doesn't op me, it's elitist.'

Isn't this just the perfect example of taking someone's comments out of
context?  :-)  Read on Fred....

:>purpose in life is to /invite and op one particular person to a (or
:>a few) channel(s).  I don't see any problems with bots with invite/op
:>lists of 50-60 people for one "regular" channel, especially if the bot
:>is being updated fairly frequently, and if the human channel ops are
:>willing to let new people on channel fairly regularly.   The bots in between
:>*shrug* I haven't had to deal with them.
: 
:Your main argument for the robot is for invite purposes?  Then why doesn't
:it jsut do that instead of oping people?  What's the point there?

Then the channel would not be a reasonably "open" one.  Is there a way
to code a bot to "invite all people except those who have been jerks
on this channel before, or who have harassed regular channel users
in /msg's under various nicks"?  That kind of bot would, IMHO, be too
cumbersome to write and maintain to be practical.  And what happens
when the bot's home mainframe dies unexpectedly?  You are left with
a channel with no ops, necessitating the channel-hopping two-step to
get an op, or an inability for the bot to get back on channel when its
home machine comes back up.

:>Of course, there is the obvious solution for people who have problems
:>with the attitudes of the op-bot or of the powers-that-be for a given
:>channel:  Tough!  If you don't like it, go form your own channel.
:>Yes, it sounds like a harsh answer, but it should be an obvious one.
: 
: There is also another obvious solution who have problems with
: op bots (just a valid as yours) get rid of them all.

But which suggestion can be implemented easier and more practicly?  :-)

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