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From: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Blues Soloing / Blues scale
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:26:28 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Univ. of Arizona


 I read an interview with Pat Metheny once where he said "People are
always asking me 'what scales do you use?' - To me that is like asking
'what verbs do you use?'"

		Let's face it, scales and licks etc. are the lexicon, they are just 
the stuff that the language is made from. You *do* need to know that
stuff, and like any language, the basic stuff can be learned by studying
a book or (longer and maybe more difficult) by just listening to the
language. But that is only the basic stuff. To actually communicate, you
have to listen much more, and you have to have something to say - that's
not to imply that, in blues, something to say can be expressed in any
other way except the music (thought it might be "damn that woman!" or
"OW! BAby!" etc). It's just that the real music happens in many places,
in your head, in your heart, in your fingers. If you're thinking about
scales and licks, you're not saying anything...all that "basic" level
has got to be drawn upon subconsciously. You can hear this in some 
of the old blues players - their technique is crude (at best) and as far
as "licks" go, they maight only have 2 or 3, but they WAY they play them
is what counts. Zappa said of Elmore James: "It's true that he played 
that one lick (reedle-dee-deedle-dee-dee-dee, etc) over and over
and over, but you got the feeling that he really meant it."
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From: css1rs@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk (Russell Smithers)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Triads well?
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:52:50 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey, UK. GU2 5XH
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Look are we all dead? I have just asked a question, would some kind soul
at least respond to it so I know we are all alive? Please.
From: 880518l@dragon.acadiau.ca (Nelson Langille)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: What to do with a vocoder?
Summary: What to do
Keywords: vocoder
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:07:46 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

I have a chance to get a vocoder VERY cheap,  What can be done with it that
is half normal.  Eg, can a chorus or flange or anything be produced.

I want to run my guitar through it.  I also have a small keyboard that is 
non-midi (not sure if that matters or not).
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: What to do with a vocoder?
Keywords: vocoder
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:48:03 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Nov15.210746.17441@dragon.acadiau.ca> 880518l@dragon.acadiau.ca (Nelson Langille) writes:
>I have a chance to get a vocoder VERY cheap,  What can be done with it that
>is half normal.  Eg, can a chorus or flange or anything be produced.
>
>I want to run my guitar through it.  I also have a small keyboard that is 
>non-midi (not sure if that matters or not).


You'll get the classic vocoder-type sound by using the keyboard (maybe a 
strings sound) into the "instrument" input on the vocoder and singing into
a mike plugged into the "mike" input (remember the weird robot-like backing
vocals in the Cars' "Dangerous Type" and the "Ahhhhhhhhhhhs" in the background
vocals of the 10cc tune "I'm not in love" ???). A vocoder (I'm assuming you
have the old standard Roland Vocoder?) to me doesn't sound much like a chorus or
flanger but uses very similar technology to acheive it's effect. It feeds the
"instrument" input through a bucket-brigade analog delay line just like a
old fashioned analog chorus/flanger and the "mike/voice" input is used to
generate an envelope with which to modulate the "instrument" signal. I can't
remember if the delay time and/or regeneration of the bucket-brigade device
are modulated by any part of the incoming signls or if they are fixed or
adjustable from the front panel. By feeding in a slow sweeping long sustaining  
strings sound from the keyboard into the "instrument" input and feeding your
guitar into the "mike" input, you might get some flangelike sounds. Experiment.
-- 
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Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: dweber@lark.qualcomm.com (Dan Weber)
Subject: Gibson Oddity
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:02:46 GMT


            Hi All!

         
          Over the weekend I picked up an inexpensive Gibson with
         case ($300.00) which I have never seen before. I do not 
         doubt it's authenticity however because a good friend of
         mine who does guitar repair says he remembers seeing 
         something similar in the early 80's.
          What it is; is a Arctic white Explorer with three P-90
         pickups, two 3-way toggles, and one volume & one tone
         control. The serial no. is 83394523 and it says MADE IN
         USA beneath the serial on the headstock. Does any one know
         anything about this? I just love this guitar! ( And I'm
         a devout Strat player!



         Dano


         dweber@lark.qualcomm.com



Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: bes@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (b.e.shollenberger)
Subject: Recording equipment tips (wanted)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:14:37 GMT


Hi all_

 I am looking for the insight one might require to build up a system
whereby enabling one to record a signal either directly or indirectly
from a guitar amp and posibly mixing in a track for vocals.
 I want to make a minimum investment to do this however I want the
ability to expand to perhaps 6 tracks. I would like input on what solutions and merits of systems others have found. Any help is appreciated.....

						Thanks

						Bruce

						alux2!bes

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: kydeno00@nx05.mik.uky.edu (kirsten yvonne denoyelles)
Subject: MAILINGLIST: Dokken/ Lynch Mob
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:47:44 GMT

For those of you guitar players that are interested in what up in the  
world of George Lynch and the guys from Dokken and Lynch Mob, you might be  
interested in this new mailing list. 

When you are put on the list, you will receive a newsletter that includes  
articles and info, as well as discussion from all the suscribers who  
contribute.

If you are interested, contact me at either of the two addresses listed  
here: kydeno00@ukpr.uky.edu or kydeno00@mik.uky.edu. You will then be  
added to the list.

Kirsten

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: phlegm@cs1.bradley.edu (Kevin Bourrillion)
Subject: Re: String Guages [what to use?]
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:05:59 GMT

In <Lerxst.0p0a@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca> Lerxst@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Lerxst) writes:

>Alex Lifeson from Rush and I believe David Gilmour from Pink Floyd use .09s
>as well.  I don't know how Stevie Ray Vaughan ever could play the 13s.  It
>would be like playing on electrical cable! :-)

I bought a set of 13s once when I didn't know the difference.  Trust me, 
your imagination is not as far off as it might seem!  And, I have a whole
new respect for Stevie Ray.

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: samulski@esrican.uucp (Jungle-John)
Subject: Marshall for sale
Organization: ESRI Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:02:23 GMT




For Sale:        JCM800 50w head
                 JCM900 1960a 4x12 Stereo Cabinet

   Both bought new around a year and a half ago.  Have been used for home
   practice only, and are totally mint.  I sold my hatchback and I couldn't
   take 'em to a gig now if I wanted to.  

   Head - $525 cdn
   Cab  - $550 cdn     *or*    $1000 for both  (paid ~1300 plus tax)

   I would very much prefer selling these together, but I'll see how it 
   goes...

   Reply via email to jsamulski@esri.com
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar
From: dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)
Subject: Re: Cry Baby or Hendrix Wah?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:54:59 GMT

dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:

>The original Cry Baby was made by Vox in England. This is one that Hendrix
>used.

    Also Stevie Ray Vaughan.  When I was up on Stevie's stage before a
    show back in '84, I was checking out his equipment and chatting
    with Byron the roadie.  I think he had an Ibanez Tube Screamer in
    the center, and two pedals on either side of his setup on the
    floor.  One I reckon was a volume, and the other the coolest
    looking pedal I have ever seen.  It was wide and black, with a
    chrome, raised, Vox insignia stamped into the metal footpad.

    He had three amps (one a custom Six-Stringer) that you can read
    about in the various magazine articles & collections out now.  My
    friend got to play "THE guitar" ('59 with a '63 neck) acoustically
    for a minute or two, I only touched it :-)

    I'll try and type up my "party with Double Trouble" story soon.
    I'll post it to the Blues Digest... mail stu892103@gcc.edu to
    subscribe!  We could use a few more blues fans.

--
           Jim Dunne 	dunne@rtsg.mot.com    ...uunet!motcid!dunne
 All statements are merely opinions, yet are corroborated by a .357 magnum.
From: ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Using Acoustic Strings on an electric?
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:34:44 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

In article <18NOV199208353258@rosie.uh.edu> math1rb@rosie.uh.edu (92F07486) writes:
>I am having trouble finding large guage strings for my electric, and
>have always liked the way bronze acoustic strings held up over time. Are
>bronze strings not used on electric guitars because they are poor
>inductors (???) for creating a current in the pick-up's magnetic field?
> Or does anybody use bronze acoustic strings on their electric?
> What about some other acoustic strings?
>

	Sorry, you can't do it. Bronze is an alloy of copper and tin (?) that
is non-magnetic. Electrics must use steel (or other magnetic metal) strings.

KAC

Opinions? Can anyone actually _have_ opinions or are they no more 
than dust motes floating in the sunlight of collective intellect.

Kenny A. Chaffin                      {...boulder}!uswat!ken
U S WEST Advanced Technologies         ken@dakota.uswest.com
4001 Discovery Drive  Boulder, CO 80303	     (303) 541-6355
 
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From: tom@cpac.washington.edu (Tom May)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Cry Baby or Hendrix Wah?
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:20:21 GMT
	<1992Nov19.000757.13744@reed.edu>
Organization: Center for Process Analytical Chemistry, UW

In article <1992Nov19.000757.13744@reed.edu> jkiparsk@reed.edu (Jonathan Kiparsky) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.225313.26292@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> fredh@cv.hp.com (Fred Handloser) writes:
>>I've seen CryBaby pedals that say "The Original" but they are
>>made by Duncan or some such company.  The CryBaby I bought
>>in 1971 or 1972 says  "Thomas Organ Company" on the bottom
>>plate.  Is this the model Hendrix used?

>I don't know about you folks, but I've found that it's pretty safe to assume 
>that anything labelled "the original" probably isn't.
>-jon

Correct.  My totally new "The Original" CryBaby has a way different circuit
than a friend's CryBaby, which was old when he got it in '82 or '83.  His may
not be "original" either, but it looks more original.  Except for a DC input
jack on my pedal, the box+pedal look very exactly the same inside and out.
I can't find any sort of company id on his.  I may be tracing out the circuits
on both pedals soon to find out how they each work, and whether anything can
be done to reduce radio pickup.
--
Tom.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: barrett@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Barrett)
Subject: Help Wanted
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:11:33 GMT

From RBARRETT@uga.cc.uga.edu Mon Nov 23 11:09:34 1992
To: barrett@athena.cs.uga.edu

Hello:

My name  is Richard  Barrett and  I live in  Athens, GA.  I play  an '87
Gibson SG reissue through a Fender  Princeton Chorus. I love the Gibson,
the amp sounds nice but would like to have a Marshall Stack. My favorite
band is AC/DC.  Call me redneck but  I really love the  Dangerous Duo of
Malcom and Angus. I am into  Stevie Ray, Jimi Hendrix, Black Crowes, The
Faces, Stones, Keef Riff Hard, and Ron Wood.

Just a brief intro, now for the question. I have been playing guitar for
about a  year now and  I know the major  and minor pentatonic  scales. I
have a  few licks under  my belt,  but the problem  is that I  am having
trouble deciding on where  I want to go in a solo.  Also, when and where
do  I  use  the  licks?  What  about  combining  scales,  not  only  the
pentatonics but others? I thought  about purchasing a course like Guitar
Performance Method or part of the series a guy named Andy (I think) puts
out. They  are advertised  in the  guitar mags.  Does anyone  know about
these? Are they worth the investment?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank You.

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: 910316b@ace.acadiau.ca (BARRY ROBERT BENNETT)
Subject: classical for sale
Keywords: $350.00
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:02:24 GMT

Yamaha cg 120  classical. New last year, never learned how to play. Comes 
with harshell case. Will consider trade for bass or electric.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar
From: pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi (Pasi Korhonen)
Subject: Re: Rosewood vs Maple
Organization: Ripoff Industries
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:03:03 GMT

>experiences>   with them lately.  Right now I'd like to buy one of the 
>Fender reissue>   models, but something keeps cropping up: the difference 
>between a maple>   neck and a rosewood neck.

	I prefer rosewood for thicker, warmer sound, and the feel of natural
	wood, not laquer. Could be nice to have both. In Fender reissues
	different fingerboards are also attached to slightly different
	neck profiles. '57 reissue is maple, and more v-shaped, '62 rose-
	wood board is rounder and flatter.

	Pasi
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From: tom@cpac.washington.edu (Tom May)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Built your own amp?
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:03:26 GMT
	<12NOV92.19291772.0050@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>
Organization: Center for Process Analytical Chemistry, UW

In article <12NOV92.19291772.0050@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> META000 <META@UNB.CA> writes:
>Many mid-power tube specials
>use a pair of 6L6GC power tubes, and these can sometimes be rebiased
>(depending on design) so that EL34 ("Marshall" tubes) can be
>installed in the same sockets.

My Marshall has 6550 power tubes.  Does anybody know what the difference is
between these guys and 6L6 and/or EL34 tubes?  I'd never even heard of
6550s until I got the amp a couple years ago, and I've never seen them
mentioned in this newsgroup.
--
Tom.
From: R.T.Wieckowski@newcastle.ac.uk (River Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Magna-28 ...
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:00:22 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.



I did it !!! I did it !!! I actually went out and bought it ...

An Aria "MAGNA 28" Deep Burgundy/Red Sunburst to Black ...
2 single coils, Humbucker ...
Rosewood fretboard ...
Floyd Rose Trem ...
Lush !!!


'cept I have less than no money ...

         ... but hey, it was worth it !!!


In tune with 'dem blues',
RIV.
From: sarisky@a.chem.upenn.edu (Mark J. Sarisky)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Midi / Music stuff FOR SALE
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:01:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

For Sale:
 
MidiMAN SyncMan MIDI Sync to Tape Box
        -SMPTE/Song Pointer Sync Box
        -Jam Sync so tape dropouts don't cause problems
        -Expandable and updatable
        -like new
 
        $80 OBO plus shipping
 
Synetrix 501 Compressor and Limiter
        -One of the best non-tube vocal compressors made
        -Manual or fully automatic operation  
        -With FX loop for inserting EQ
 
        $200 OBO plus shipping
 
Yamaha FX500 Simul-Effects Processor
        -Great guitar do everything box
        -Five SPX-90 digital fx at the same time
        -2 Midi controllers asignable to any parameter
        -Headphone amp built in (fun late night jamming)
 
        $250 OBO plus 
 
Contact: Mark at sarisky@a.chem.upenn.edu
         email me here or call 215-925-7372

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: spray@convex.com (Rob Spray)
Subject: Opinions on Fender Stage Lead II?
Keywords: Fender amps
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:17:26 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I've been offered a Fender Stage Lead II for $250.00.

I try and play grungy industrial stuff mostly through
a Les Paul.

Any opinions on the amp?

--Rob   spray@convex.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar
From: nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov
Subject: Re: Steve Vai
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:20:00 GMT

>>Does it make any sense if I mention something called the "Steve Vai ten
>>hour guitar workout" ?? I've heard vague things about it and I think it
>>appeared in one of the guitar mags .. Guitar World maybe. Anyone have a
>>reference, or better, have it online?

Yeah, I got a copy of the article.  mostly finger exercises,
but it's good for your calluses!  I usually try and do a bit
of it when I warm up.  Can't stay awake long enough to really
get into it.

Jim
From: hanford@gauss.rutgers.edu (Bonzo)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Intonation questions
Summary: I need help on intonation
Keywords: Intonation
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:07:35 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I just a beginning Guitarist, so when I browse alt.guitar I am clueless as to 
what all this talk of intonation is.  I just read an article that said some-
thing about having the intonation adjusted when you change the guage of your 
strings.  Also that the intonation gets worse as the strings get old.  One
other article I read on fret filing said that when the frets get worn down (as
Mine definitely are) using intonation gets difficult.  Does this have anything
to do with me having to place my fingers right up against the frets to avoid
this annoying rattling soud of the string vibrating over the metal fret????
It makes it tough to get a good sound out of a chord.  Could some one PLEASE
answer these questions for me?????     Thanks,
					Bonzo   8-) 
Hanford@gauss.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: balon@cup.hp.com (Tom Balon)
Subject: Re: Gibson Questions (ES 125T value)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:25:07 GMT
Distribution: World
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Nov18.192630.7983@lsa.umich.edu> gerald.b.ross@um.cc.umich.edu (Gerald Ross) writes:
>In this area (Lower Peninsula of Michigan) any guitar in the
>ES 125 family sells in the neighborhood of $300 - $525. I
>have a ES 125 with one P-90 pickup, non-cutaway, thick body.
>
>I think it is an amazing guitar. It has a real mellow, sweet
>sound. Good for Jazz, Country and Rhythm guitar work.
>
>Whatever you do, DON'T hot-rod this instrument by putting
>a humbucker or some non-original pickup on it. If you do
>the prices I quoted above will be cut in half.
>
>--
>==============================================================
>=
>= Gerald Ross
>=
>=     ...It's 1992.  So where's my jetpack?
>=
>==============================================================
>
>

	YES, YES, and for GOD'S sake man, don't play it ! Put
	it in a glass cabinet with proper humidity control and
	only use lighting with low UV ! Or it's value will be
	cut way down to somthing like $75 bucks !  

	I'm really getting sick of all this collectible B.S. A
	few more years of this and your basic Fender Champ will
	cost $1000.00. Any guitar made of wood from ealier than
	1980 will be $2000.00. Of course there will be thousands
	of Fender Deluxe's, Pro-Reverbs, vintage Strats, Pauls,
	335's all in nice glass cabinets for us to *look* at. 

	Sorry Ross, I don't really have anything against you. You
	can ignore me if you like.

	-Tom



Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar
From: pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi (Pasi Korhonen)
Subject: Re: Identifying a Les Paul
Organization: Ripoff Industries
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:13:18 GMT

>        The first and fourth digits are YY, the year of manufacture;
>        DDD is the day of that year
>        The first P is the factory code (0-4 Kalamazoo, 5-9 Nashville)
>        and the other two PPs serialize the instrument on that day.


	Nope, on a certain day, PPP goes like this : 0-499=Kalamazoo
	500-999=Nashville. So, this LP were talking about is 358th in that
	day.

	Pasi 

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From: rseymour@reed.edu (Robert Seymour)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature
Subject: Looking for PRS or Tom Anderson Guitar
Keywords: prs, tom anderson, used
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:37:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov18.073729.10076
Reply-To: rseymour@reed.edu
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


	I'm in the market for a guitar and am looking at both PRS and Tom  
Andersons. If you have one you'd like to sell, send me email and we can talk.  
I'd like a dual humbucker configuration and nice maple top, but I'll consider  
any configuration or model. Also, I'd like to hear from anyone who has looked  
at both on what thier thoughts are about the two. I've played both and so far I  
like the PRS sound a lot, but the Tom Andersons are more comfortable to play  
(especially the neck). Thanks.


--
Robert Seymour				rseymour@reed.edu
Departments of Physics and Philosophy
Artificial Life Project			Reed College
Reed Solar Energy Project (SolTrain)	Portland, OR
From: mike@vm1.mcgill.ca (Mike Woo)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Marshall Cab (followup)
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:36:00 GMT
Organization: Computing Centre, McGill University


      Thanks to all the replies I received regarding the weight of a 4x12
Marshall cab.  Various estimates put it in the neighborhood of 90-100 lbs.
Considering the size of it, that puts it in the "major hernia" category for
a single-I-can't-afford-a-roadie player like myself!  This brings me to 
my next question:  any recommendations as to 2x12 cabs (slant-top 
preferred)?  Anyone with experience running a 2x12 versus a 4x10?  
Oh well, back to the search for the ultimate tone...I know it's out there
somewhere!