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From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: horse vacuums
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 07:23:15 PST

>A friend of mine who boards on the same farm as UMEA wanted me to ask
>about horse vacuums....ya know, the type seen in ads of Equus/Practical
>Horseman/Horse & Rider, etc

>What he wanted to know was...
>   *How well do they work?
>   *Are they quiet enough/if the horse is used to clippers will they
>   have no problem with the vacuum?
>   *What brand names are recommended?
>   *How are they different from a _Dirt Devil_ vacuum (ie they look
>   the same...how does the "professional" vacuum become preferred)?
>   *Any other related stuff.....
>
>Thanks!

I know a trainer who uses a regular shop vac on her horses and ones she
trains. Works fine. Her theory is, they can and should get used to most
anything. She trains event horses and dressage; thoroughbreds, warmbloods,
whatever. It is pretty noisy, but they stand quite calmly, almost hypnotized.

Good Luck and
 Happy New Year All! ;-)

Diane, Spring and Dancer
From: floyd@ni.umd.edu (Jim Matthews)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Riding Boot Suggestions?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 10:33:01 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland
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Summary: Short Leather Riding Boots Needed


I am interested in buying a pair of short leather riding boots and I was
wondering if anybody out there could suggest a good type of boot, and the
names of catalogs to order from.  I've looked in the local stores, and the main
types I've seen are the Thinsulate type for about $130.  Is that what I should
expect to pay?  Is that the kind of boot I should be looking for?

Any leads on catalog names and types of riding boots would be much
appreciated!
					Stephanie (using Jim's account)
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From: bigrasl@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Help! My horse won't drink!!
Date: 9 Jan 93 14:44:47 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

HELP!!! My horse is drinking hardley any water.  We have had 1 1/2 feet of snow
for the past 10 days.  The last three days my horse's water consumption has
dropped to 1/4 of what she normally drinks at night.  Last night I gave her a
bran mash with salt, oats, carrots etc. in hopes to get her consumption up and
she still only drnk 1/4 of a bucket.  I have tried giving her warmer water but
but the time she thinks about drinking it has gone cold.  I've also tried
putting  an apple in her water bucket to  tempt her to drink but she just
knocks over the water bucket to get to the apple.  I have been thinking of
adding beet pulp and alfalfa cubes to her rations so that she will be getting
some water but I am afraid this will not be enough. 
I have to be careful about adding things to her water because she is very fussy 
and will not drink strange smelling water. 
Any suggestions?
	Lydia & Oriah Dawn
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: great quote
Date: 10 Jan 93 14:36:30 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <43270@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, jdurward@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Li'l Stinker) writes:
> Hi.. I have been reading this group for a while and it is great
> because I used to take hunt seat lessons and ran out of money =(.. I
> love to ride.. it is my favorite thing to do in the world.. I could
> always clear my mind so fast when I got on a horse.. anyway.. beside
> s missing riding more than I can explain.. I thought you guys would
> get a kick out of a quote I found.. My grandfather recently passed
> away and he was a big horse guy.. used to live an a ranch and such..
> anyway.. his wife found a piece of paper from 1937 with his goals on
> it.. At the bottom of the page in bold face it said: (his last name
> is Durward)...
> 
> REMEMBER DURWARD, A HORSE BEFORE A WOMAN ANY DAY!!!!!
> 
> =)
> great, eh?

I just gotta ask.... was 1937 before or AFTER he met grandma?

Sue
From: jd@rust.zso.dec.com (John D'Addamio)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Help! My horse won't drink!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:09:51 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering

One thing I learned when we lived in a cold climate is that horses will
drink better in cold weather if you warm their water. Would you like to
drink ice water when it's cold out? Neither do horses.

They way we did it was to carry buckets of hot water from the house. We
got some 4 gallon buckets With LIDS at a local donut shop for about $1
each. They're a good size because anything larger is pretty heavy. The
lids keep the water from spilling out. Depending on how cold it was, we
might just add some hot to the water buckets in their stall . But, in 
bitter cold weather, we just filled the whole bucket with hot water.  
They would frequently come right over and drink a bunch while it was 
still warm.

If you happen to have a hot water tank in your barn, it's even easier.

John
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse hugs
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:05:56 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <KRYSTEK.93Jan8112428@alcor.bms.com>, krystek@alcor.bms.com (Stanley Krystek) writes:
> 
> My morgan Jupiter is very interested in people and will follow 
> me around and nudge me when gromming him and also when I am 
> working on his face he pulls me in with his head.  He does
> it quite often to my wife, I hope to video it one day.
> 
> stan
> .

Many years ago, I had a big buckskin gelding who was a real ham.  His favorite
trick was to stand there calmly beside you while you sat on the top rail of
the fence or were standing beside him.  He'd wait until you were distracted
and had your attention elsewhere.  Then he would very calmly reach over and
pinch you on the butt with his teeth.  Just a good sharp pinch, enough to
make you jump and yell.  He'd turn his head away and pretend he didn't do
it.  
"Who?  Me?  You MUST be mistaken, it had to be someone else.  I've been
just standing here minding my own business."

Sue

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From: ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Boots, boots, boots..
Date: 5 Jan 1993 20:07:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I am not sure if this is of any help to you, but about
10 years ago DOVER SADDLERY carried a line of boots in
which you measured your leg yourself and sent in the
measurements. I got a pair and they were really nice (they
fit almost as well as the customs I got several years
later).  I don;t think they carry them anymore (at
least they aren't listed in the catalog) but that
might be a place to start.  Thye might be able to give you
the name and address of the company that make them. If
I remember correctly, they were around $150.00 - $175.00
(but don't quote me on that because it was a while ago and
). I have also had friend that have purchased off the rack
boots and then had them altered and they have had luck with that.
I am one of those hard to fit persons....(I am 5'10" and have
a hell of a time finding boots that are tall enough!!!!) so
I know what you are going thru.  Customs are great if you can
afford them, but they are SOOOOOO expensive!!!!!! I got
a pair for X-mas one year and love them but I don't think I
can afford a pair in the near future...these have to last
me the rest of my riding life!!
Good luck!
Sonja
Kai & Feathers (the 2 mudballs!)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Quarter horses
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 06:39:34 PST

>micha@moko.saar.de
>Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 15:43:18 +0100

>In the last years riding in 'western style' became much popular in Germany
>I am interested, too and when I bought Lucky I learned with him and teach
>him a little bit. But for me it is very difficult because western trainer
>are very rare here and good western trainer don't exist. The nearest to
>me is about 50 miles and believes only a good quarter horses will be
>a good western horse and ignores all other breeds and all cheap horses
>too. What a nice man ;-).
>Last year I had the pleasure to ride a good western horse and it was a
>high pleasure. So I want to know more about quarter horses about
>blood lines etc. Or a good book about this theme. Here they are
>very expensive, a gelding 6 - 10 years, western ridden but only
>normal lessons (no reining lessons) not under 10.000 Dollar. And I believe
>this is expensive. Furthermore there don't exist so much Quarter
>Horses here in Germany and the most of them are show horses, which
>always lives in a stable and don't know to be ridden in a forest.
>So I want to know the average price for a gelding, a quiet horse
>isn't afraid of streets, has no problems if it must drive and with
>the horseshoemaker ? ;-). It have not to be a show horse, only a
>good friend which is easy to ride and isn't afraid, because here
>are many streets etc.
>I know it's difficult to speak about a average price of a horse, but
>I hope I get an answer. A Girl-friend of me is interested, too and so
>we have thought about to imported the horses from USA or Kanada.

>Bye Claudia and Lucky

Hello from California,

My advise, for what it is worth, is find a nice horse with the disposition
you like whatever the breed. If you are not planning on showing in specific
breed shows, it doesn't make much difference what breed you use. Just as
virtually any breed can be used for jumping, it depends more on disposition
and mind-set of the horse for the kind of riding you want to do. While
quarter horses are very nice and often have a good disposition, grade (mixed
breed) horses are often just as nice, sometimes nicer.

It is unfortunate that there is a lack of Western training, hopefully as the
demand picks up, more and better trainers will become available.

Good luck, pardner ;-)

Diane, Spring and Dancer (Morgans who can be anything they want to be!)
From: POBERMARCK@intellicorp.com (Phil Obermarck)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Club Med (Mexico) Intensive Riding Program
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:11:57 GMT
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

When my wife and I went to Sonora Bay, we classified as beginners.
We spent two weeks taking riding lessons in the mornings and sunset rides
in the evening.  There were 3 instructers, and all were quite knowledgeble.
Definitely worth our time, and lots of fun, besides.

The riding they did there was predominately werstern.  I don't recall ever
seeing anyone with an english saddle.  I don't know what they do for the
advanced sessions, as we were the only regular equestrians there.

The horses are all well mannered and well cared for.  Of course they each
have there own little tricks they try, but if you know what you're doing,
they are trouble free.

We went in November (off-season) and the weather was wonderful.  80 degrees,
sunny, warm ocean water.  

Have fun!

       -Phil

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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:22:04 EST
From: <GMG7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Half-Lease contracts?

We may be half leasing my mother's horse to someone.  Since I have never leased
or half leased a horse before I wanted to know what experiences and stipulation
others have had when half-leasing an animal.  Here's our situation:
     My mother owns a horse that she only rides once a year.  My 16 yo cousin
rides/shows the horse.  Unfortunately, she's not real fond of cold weather and
is now much more interested in her boyfreind then making sure the horse is
exercised regularly.  So we are kind of interested in half leasing the horse to
this woman (a small animal vet).  The horse would of course stay at the
facility he is at (which is not a problem for either the leasee or leasor).
We would like to keep everything kind of informal and friendly.  We would like
to still be able to ride the horse occasionally and we would like to insure
that my cousin would still be able to show the horse if she wants. (The woman
just wants him as a trail horse).  Is it possible/fair to put in these
stipulations?
    The other question involves costs.  Are all costs simply split down the
middle (farrier, vet, board, etc...)?  What about making vet/farrier/dental
appointments?  Do we make them and then just tell her how much them came to or
would prior notification about the impending work be advisible?  How are such
things usually handled in a half lease situation?
    Any help or suggestions you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

--Gina M. Giansante
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: wcollins@netcom.com (Walter J. Collins)
Subject: Re: Andalusian + Arab <> Lipizzan
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:52:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.212450.18022@ninja.zso.dec.com> jd@rust.zso.dec.com (John D'Addamio) writes:
>In article <1993Jan2.080221.23080@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman) writes:
>>	My friend and I were discussing our horses personalities and
>>some amusing anecdotes the other day and discovered that when they balk
>>refusing to go forward for whatever reason and are urged on anyway 
>>both of our horses will rear -- not the wild kind of dangerous flailing
>>around type of rear, but rather a slow-motion 45 degree angle true LEVADE
>>that they then hold for several seconds before realizing that their
>>riders are laughing and their demonstration of irritation was not having 
>>the desired effect.
>
>This is a technicality but... If your horses are going up to 45 
>degrees, they are doing a true PESADE.  This is still remarkable but 
>slightly less difficult than a levade. If your horses are offering such
>movements voluntarily, they must be VERY talented animals! I envy you!
>Ours have offered piaffe as a 'disobedience' but never true airs!

This makes me curious just exactly what my horse is doing when she 'rears'.
She doesn't go up to a very high angle, and does seem to hang there for a
few moments before going down.  I've never seen it from the ground, nor
anyone else who is very knowledgeable about horses (she doesn't do it often).
All I know is that it does nothing towards making me lose my seat, even when
I ride bareback, she has never gone up to enough of an angle for me to feel
as if I might fall off.

Her more usual reaction when she is refusing to go forward is to go into
one of the various movements that I believe are called lateral movements -
moving in a different direction than her body is pointing.  She generally
goes at a 45 degree or less angle from straight ahead.  However, there was
one occasion that she was trotting almost stright sideways, at nearly
90 degrees from the direction I wanted to go.

Now, if only we could get these talented horses to do these things when
we ask for them, instead of when try are trying to avoid our commands!

Casey
(Kristin Harvey)
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: sharonwa@microsoft.com (Sharon Watts)
Subject: horse for sale
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:34:24 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: na

Offering for sale: Champion anglo-arab Meri Amon Ra +/.
National champion show hack, consecutive regional champion
show hack/dressage/hunter pleasure. Very flashy chestnut
gelding, 16 hands, 9 years old. A seasoned pro in the 
show ring. He does it all! Go to the National Championships
on this Supreme Legion of Honor winner. Currently in training
over fences. Won IAHA region V 1st and 2nd levels dressage
championship in 1991 and 1992. Going 3rd level with Prix St.
Georges potential. Video available. Contact Sharon Watts
(Wash) 206-868-6020 or 206-635-4685.
From: b_lmcgilve@cpvax.cpses.tu.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Natural-Ride?
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:55:49 CST
Organization: Texas Utilities, Glen Rose TX 

    >> Happy New Year Equestrians-
    >> 
    >> Last month, while visiting our local tack store, I saw a "saddle" called
    >> the "Natural-Ride".  It seems to be a heavy duty bareback pad with stirrups
    >> and a "handle" that sits on the horse's withers, for stability.
    >> 
    >> Looks like a fun and safe way to ride with a minimal saddle.

     I have a brand-new one - used once.  Glad to sell to someone.  My mare
had a very round back and it always slipped on her.  I used a mounting block
and still had trouble getting on.  It seemed to me that the stirrups gave
me an illusion of safety, and were useful in straightening the pad as it slid
from side to side.  Now if I was riding a horse with more of a backbone, the
pad might have been more useful.  It was essential that you have the girth as 
tight as possible.

I'll gladly ship it to anyone who wants to buy it.  $25 including postage. FYI,
I originally paid $50.   
-- 
Laurel & TBs Rose & Sweetie & Pal & Buddy

All opinions expressed are obviously mine.  Who else would own up to them?
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Transporting my 4-legged friends
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:12:28 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
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Mary McHugh (mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com) wrote:
: I second the nomination for Blue Chip.  Although I personally have never
: had to have a horse shipped, my trainer has used him exclusively to haul
: a horse who is a miserable shipper (he once put his rear hoof through
: the bus-style windows on a two horse and got it stuck there) with nary a
: problem to & from the QH congress for many years.  I also purchased my
: trailer from Chip when he worked at Packard trailers and I found him to
: be knowledgeable & honest.

: Mary 

I'll give a third nod to Blue Chip, based on good results for people whose
horses I took care of.  When I moved from CT to OR and from OR to MI, I
used Horsin' Around as I couldn't afford Blue Chip.  Sterling made the
trip well, except for a scrape down one leg.  He got that after deciding
he didn't like the pony next to him.  The driver called me that night to
let me know about it and hecleaned it and put furox on it.  If I have to
move again, I'll probably go with Horsein' Around again.

Karen
From: gunnj@ddn-wms.nmi.com (Janet Gunn)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Utah/Colorado dressage
Summary: Fox Equestrian
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:55:01 GMT
Organization: Network Mgmt Inc., Fairfax, VA

In article <1hlrjpINNnlr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:
> 
> I'm in the process of trying to convince my wife to come with me on a camping,
> canoeing,exploring trip to Utah and Colorado next summer. She'd be really
> interested if there were any dressage competitions going on or a "dude
> ranch" that was into english and dressage (or even jumping). Idaho, 
> Wyoming, and Montana are possibilities too I suppose. 
> 
> Does anybody have any help for me? Any and all suggestions welcome.

Try Fox Equestrian
303-723-4352
2000 Co Rd 30A, Walden Co 80480

 1500 acres, 200 cross country fences
Run by one of the Popeil brothers (big deals in the eventing world)
They had a video on it at the USCTA annual meeting, looks very professional.
Definitely English.  I think they have a dressage ring and a jumping ring as 
well as the cross country, but I can't swear to it.  They recommend that you 
be "comfortable jumping 2 feet".

Bet you weren't expecting a reply from me here.
I tried to email you, but by mailer says your host doesn't exist.
> -- 
> Go fast. Take chances.
 On 2 wheels and 4 legs

Janet gunnj@nmi.com
gunnj@ddn-wms.ddn.mil
gunnj@ddn-wms.nmi.com
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From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: AMHA phone #
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 06:26:52 PST

I have (802) 985-4944. ;-)

>The phone # that i have is (802) 985-8897.  I suspect that it this is either
>incorrect or a FAX or modem line.  Every time i call i get a hideous dial tone
>times and then a busy signal.  Any help?
From: b_lmcgilve@cpvax.cpses.tu.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re:  How old is too old...
Date: 6 Jan 93 07:38:20 CST
Organization: Texas Utilities, Glen Rose TX 

Well, I tried out the horse in question last night.  One thing was 
definite - he was not too old.  The wrong horse for me, but not too old
for his style of riding.  Apparently he had only been used as a roping/cowboy
horse.  He didn't know leg yielding and wouldn't halt properly.  He'd stop
and then start pivoting his hindquarters.  Not a trick I wanted to teach my
youngsters.  Opening gates on top of him would be impossible.  I saw pictures 
of him taken in the summer when he was competing in a roping contest - he 
sure looked good in action.

Thanks to everyone who replied.  The general net wisdom was that a 20+ horse
can be a great buy if you are not looking for a competition horse.  But, a
thorough vetting is required as you should with every purchase, since major
problems can start showing up at that age.  I'm going to keep looking, but
I'm not going to automatically rule out the oldsters anymore.  Anyone know
of an older gentle horse for sale in the Dallas-Ft Worth area?

-laurel - 
TBs Rose and Sweetie & Pal and Buddy who need some more exercise

All opinions expressed are obviously mine.  Who else would own up to them?
From: cvadrgez@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: How old is too old...
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:19:37 GMT
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadrgez

My mare (now 31) is still ridable, but in retirement.
I decided to retire her two weeks ago because I think that she doesn't ned the
extra weight to carry (her back gets more swayed when I do ride her).
She had no health problems until one year ago.
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