From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Eidolon)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Unconditional Love. (was THE PROOF...)
Date: 30 Oct 92 15:38:56 +1030
Organization: That damn kid is still here!

In article <J0D0sB6w165w@bluemoon.rn.com>, darist@bluemoon.rn.com (david stroop) writes:

>>     "If you be my worshiper, I'll be nice to you. If you don't 
>>I'll hurt you"..........can you say "coerce" ? 
> 
> Can you say "Warning: DANGER!"

Can you say "Tell people that I don't exist and I'll have you barbequed!"?

>>        Ok, but it still is coercion, a threat is a threat- no 
>>matter how sugar coated or how nice the tone rings in your ear. 
> 
> To people who don't believe the warning is well intentioned,
> the warning will seem like coercion.

>>        I DO NOT want to go to heaven. I would not mind just 
>>fading away to nothing when I die. Why doesn't god just do this 
>>instead of putting me in a place he made for torture ? 

> God made you in His image to be like Him.  Being like God makes 
> you (in a sense) immortal.  If He had made you that kind of 
> mortal, all people would be like that, including those He wants 
> to live forever.  What you choose to do with that immortality is 
> up to you (again because you are in God's image.) 

Then why doesn't let us just fade away?? Why this overpowering
desire to punish us for questioning our surroundings?? Once we
are dead, why must our souls exist forever more against our will?

If God is so powerfull why does it need to put us through thus
stupid charade called Material Life?? If' it's just a test
of 'startstuff' to see if it's good or bad then it would not
need to put us through this torture since it should be able to
tell in an instant (don't blather on about one human lifetime
being a mere instant for God. It wont wash).

> What is this:  "You must not jump off cliffs or you will be 
> hurt."  

What is this:  "You must not have sex unless you are married"
What is this:  "You must not have sex with motss"
What is this:  "Questioning my motives will be fatal"

>>He doesn't, despite the many requests here that He do so. (If you 
>>missed that, they ask why God didn't make them so that they 
>>*have* to "do right."  You should explain about love to them.) 

What about those who *choose* to do right but refuse to believe
in crackpot stories about all-powerful sadists?

>>He has stated that there will be results when those who should be 
>>His "lovers" go after other loves.  One of these is that He will 
>>be hurt as you have been hurt.  Another is that such infidelity 
>>hurts the "infidel" as well.  God does not "need" to force love. 
>>In fact, he cannot, just as you explained.  He does need to warn 
>>those who will hurt themselves.  For example, He warns that 
>>promiscuity hurts.  You have found out why. 

Ah! That's mulitple partners! Explain how homosexuality or how two
lovers don't need to get married to stay together hurts.

Justify victimless sin as being a sin. I'm not talking about physically
destructive victimless sin like drug taking but crap like
blasphemy or homosexual marriage.
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John J McVey, Whyalla, Uni S. Australia    9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Electronic Engineering student & Terror Tekkie!
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