From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: MONEY
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:43:58 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.lebanon
Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan

[IB] In article <Bz1woB.2EF@newsflash.concordia.ca> Ilyess Bdira writes:
	[TO] BTW as you can see I left Egypt  as it was. Do you know why? 
	[TO] Because it is the only Arab country at peace (or beace for you) 
	[TO] with Israel.

[IB] So it does not matter for you if the government is as tyrannical and as
[IB] corrupt (or more) as the others... That is why your Mossad is working to 
[IB] help dictators who are freindly to her against their own people, how would
[IB] you expect Arab PEOPLE to forget that?

Is the Mossad helping Syria? Iran? Iraq? Libya? Where did you get that 
information? Sounds to me like a tale from the 1001 and nights ... 

Arab people forget very quickly. One day they are bitter enemies (Hussein and
Arafat for example), the next day they are French kissing ...

Israel is friendly to those who want peace. It has no problem dealing with
the Arabs as nations, but it does have a problem when these nations are driven
by war mongers such as Nasser, Assad and Saddam. Most of the Arab Israelis 
living within the Green Line live better than most Arabs in the surrounding 
Arab countries.

[IB] Remember that you are going to live with people not with the current 
[IB] dictators who will eventually go.
I hope so...

	[TO] I hope that some of you out there understand that the only way to
	[TO] peace is dialogue. Intifada, Hezbollah, retaliatory strikes do 
	[TO] not help in any way. They just make families more miserable!

[IB] Sorry, but if it was not for the Intifadah, the peace talks would never
[IB] have started, If it wasn't for Hezbollah, Israel would have been occupying
[IB] half of Lebanon and setteling Russian Jews in it...

Sorry old boy, the peace talks stemmed from the Gulf war, not from the 
Intifadah. George Shulz while Secretary of State failed to organize peace talks
even though he travelled almost as much as Baker and the Intifadah had 
started. During the Gulf war Israel did not respond to the unprovoked Iraqi
scud attacks. This enabled Baker to persuade the Arabs that Israel wasn't all 
that bad and there could be flexibility.
Israel can live with the Intifadah. It has helped it create jobs (taking
those of the palestinians) and new roads.
The Intifadah is a curse on the Palestinian people not on Israel.

I remind you that the PLO has lost most of its credibility in the Arab world
after supporting Saddam. In Israel the dovish Israelis were stunned to see
Palestinians dancing on rooftops when scud were falling on Israel. They got
burnt on that end too.

[IB] Negociations are the way to peace, but If you do not have the means to
[IB] press the other side militarily, you will not be able to get anything out
[IB] of dialogue..

So you are saying that because Israel is strong and the Arabs weak Israel will
get everything it wants? I bet you that Israel will be giving away much more
land than you think. Egypt sat down with Israel and got the Sinai back.
In exchange Israel, got peace on its southern border.
The same will happen with Lebanon and Syria and eventually the Palestinians.
You need to be patient. That is the problem with the Palestinian delegation,
they want so much to start with that they will miss the train again like in
the last 45 years.

[IB] Of course Israel knows this very well and is acting upon it, why would
[IB] you want the Arabs to continue surrendering  without giving a fight?

It is better for the Arabs not to fight, they lose every time :-).

[IB] =============================================================
[IB] Modified Murphy's first law of realistic probability:
[IB] If it can happen, it will happen...
[IB] Unless of course "it" is a good thing.
[IB] =============================================================

Does your .sig relate to a Palestinian State ?
So I guess there will be no Palestinian State ?

Salaam to you.
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