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From: 01saeid@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Some more info on the Baha'is
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:44:13 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Jul27.134647.6683@ac.dal.ca>, 01saeid@ac.dal.ca writes:
>  Dear > zafar

I add a line to this just to be more clear.
> 
> I am replying to your comments regarding the sighted articles by
> me (Saeid) and Mark Towfig about the existance of miracles.
> 
> As we both said Bahai's do not believe in miracles and we also mentiones
> that Baha'u'llah (king of the kings) performed many miracles.
> 
> I want to tell you that we are both right and there is no disrepency between
> our words if the preson who is reading it does not have a prejiduce mind.
> I will present you a simple example and I wish that would enlighten you.
> Your Chemistry professor comes in the class and says
> 
>  Students, I have been trying for many years to convert copper to gold
>  by some chemical reaction. I will be doing this for the rest of my life
>  but I do not think it is a possible way and there is no logic behind it.
> 
> You as a student come out of the class and tell others I don't think
> it is possible to change copper to gold and he says it not possible either.
  
 Another student comes out and says my professor is trying to convert
 the copper to gold and he plans to do it for all his life.
> 
> Someone asks isn't your professor crazy doing this even when he knows
> that it is not possible and you both students are talking against
each other. Well dear we are qouting the same person and we both are telling
the truth about him. It is just the listener that has to be smart to get
it.
> 
> You see, we are facing the delamma of prejudice. You and everybody else
> is reading the Bahai articles and just taking it as it is without even
> thinking about it. It is just like talking about the Day of Resurrection.
> Unfortunately the Moslim friends take all the discription in Qur'an as 
> in a graphical way and expect teh same features happen in that day. 
> I understand it is easier to deal with that day in a graphical term 
> because it will never happen and you are free from investigating the
> truth but dear friend that day has come and only the people who have
> put away their projudice and openned their hearts can see the light.
> 
> I am afraid I do not consider you as one of those open minded people
> because you are having a hard time dealing with the simple comments
> of two people.
> 
> We Bahai's do not believe in miracles but it does not mean that 
> Baha'u'llah (the king of the kings) did not perform any miracles.
> We bahai's think that the healing power has been performed by god not the
> human being. As far as we are concern there should be a reason for everything
> and religion has to make sence and at this day miracles do not make sence.
> The Blessed Beauty might have caused some chemical changes in teh person
> body to start the healing process but that is in no way considered miracles
> by us. 
> 
> Now please do not take me literally and throw me back some simple
> sentences. I don't have time to repeat myself.
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> Saeid
From: hatamian@gandalf.rutgers.edu (ShAhin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Clinton , another Kennedy
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:29:49 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:


>If Clinton becomes the president of this country , he would be another JFK
>in the pages of history. But I am pretty sure with the power that CIA has 
>he would not be elected. Bush has another 4 years to _serve_ this country
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and he is not _easy_ to defeat, well maybe after this next four years. 

>But as they say , keep your fingers crossed and let's hope for ,if not the
>best, better .

>Ramin

I disagree with you Ramin jaan. I don't think the CIA has the power to rig
the elections and hopefully we'll not see another 4 years of Bush. Although as
you suggested we should keep out fingers crossed.

ShAhin,
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Unusual CD Persian Music
Keywords: music
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:24:58 GMT
Organization: santur zani

******************************************************************************
***  This is for general information and for those thirsty music lovers.   ***
******************************************************************************

The other day a friend of mine brought in and played a CD played by Mr. Kamel
Misaghian.  I had not heard such unusual music before.  Please, I am a little 
behind in latest Persian music innovations, so maybe it was not unusual after
all.

The album consisted of santur performances of western music and old songs.
My friend told me in order to be able to play all notes, Mr. Misaghian had
to employ two santur instruments next to each other and play.  Apparently, one
santur cannot produce all the notes in another 'pardeh.'  I can see I am going
to get myself into technical musical problems here.  Can a kind soul with
some music background elaborate on this particular subject?

Anyways, I found the music soothing, peaceful, and refreshing.  Some of the
pieces he played were (I am reading from the cover of the album):

Romance del Campesino, Monalisa, Romance Anonimo, Lamento Borincano,
New York, New York, Moliendo Cafe, Yesterday (Beatles!!), Those Were the Days,
Hey Jude (Beatles), Orfeo Negro.  I couldn't believe my ears when I heard 
the music of the legendary 'Yesterday' being played by a santur.

The name of the album is "Salterio (Santur)."  My friend bought the CD from 
one of the Persian stores in Bay Area, CA.  On the cover I spotted a phone
number for Kamel Imports (apparently the manufacturer) as (809)268-0745.

Happy santur hearing.

Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 324-1055
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Names , Favorites ...
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:20:10 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <Bs7rIJ.JGx@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:

>
>Also list the names that are for both Boys and Girls .
>

I got one :  " Mehran "
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: navidz@concordia.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Test
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:58:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Originator: navidz@tesla

Hi,

  This is just a test.
From: saleham@right.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: More questions for Anwar Saleh
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:23:54 GMT
Reply-To: saleham@right.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

ahmad@frisco.net.com (Ahmad Esmaeili) writes:
>
> Anwar,
>
> Now we know what condom is, thank you. I never thought I would learn
> the meaning of condom from a dedicated moslem like you in a public
> forum.
>

  You have to learn a lot. What do you mean by "..like you"? Do I know
  you?

> Since you have proven your expertise in condom-mology and sexual matters
> may be you can enlighten us (amre-beh-ma'roof) by answering the following
> questions:
>

  So what do you think when they talk about "distributing condoms in
  highschools ..." on TV?  you think they are talking about candy bars?

  Are you considering converting to Islam?

>-How far a moslem man can peneterate during a sexual intercourse while fasting?
  There is no sex while fasting. You fast to practice control over your
  desires.

>-Does wearing a condom change the permitted amount of penetration while fasting
  No sex while fasting.

> - Can you elaborate on the correct precedure for "ghoosl" (cleaning procedure
>   in Islam)
>after having sex with animals as pointed out in "hallol_ma'sAel".I am sure some>of those 1000,000,000 moslems are not quite clear on this issue which is raised>   but not completely explained by "marAjeh taghleed" in their "hallol_ma'sAel.
  While sex with animals might be considered as "individual right" in the
  West, It is punished by death in Islam. You must be reading a lot of
  pornography lately.

> - Does wearing a condom change the above procedure?

  What procedure?

> - Is wearing a lambskin condom permitted if the lamb was not Islamically
>   slaughtered? (zebheh eslAmi)
>

  Take it from me, do whatever you like.

>  If you find the above questions ridiculus, as I do, then refer to

  People ridicule themselves by asking ridiculous questions.

>  your Islamic teachings as discussed in "hallol_ma'sAel".
>
  You mean, my teachings?

> -Ahmad AghA
>
> P.S I invite you to answer my questions rather than wasting the bandwith
> to curse at me, as you have done so far. 
>
 
  I did. R U happy now?
 
  Anwar Saleh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: saleham@right.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh)
Subject: Re: Rushdie asks Spain to mediate on death decree
Reply-To: saleham@right.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:21:24 GMT


mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi):
>
>       BARCELONA, Spain (UPI) -- British writer Salman Rushdie asked the
> Spanish government Thursday to mediate with Arab countries over the
> death sentence imposed on him by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini.
 
  Why mediate with Arab countries?  
   
>       Rushdie, who appeared at a summer course amid tight security at
> Madrid's Complutense University, said he was embarking on a campaign to
> raise his profile in European countries, according to the Spanish news
> agency EFE.
>       He was accompanied by Peruvian writer and former presidential
> candidate Mario Vargas Llosa.
>       ``Spain is the ideal mediator due to its friendship with the Arab
> people,'' Rushdie said.
 
  Why the Arab people? 

  Anwar Saleh 
 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: The shooting down of Iranian Airliner.
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:42:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.182457.22349@u.washington.edu> payman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi) writes:
>In article <1992Jul25.193443.22956@athena.mit.edu>
>romel@athena.mit.edu (Romik Sarkezians) writes:
>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>One question that was raised and still bothers me was
>>that why the bodies that appeared in the water were naked. Was that the normal
>>aftermath of disintegration of the plane or there is something strange or
>>peculiar about that?.
>
>Sudden and massive decompression at the plane cabin at high altitude
>has the effect of sucking the passengers (and for that matter anything
>else) out in a very vigorous manner.

	More likely a combination of blast and decompression and
	wind effects on the way down.

	Incidentally, I just read an article by a senior officer from
	an Aegis class cruiser (same as Vincennes) who pointed out that
	the radar on these ships had problems with the Iranian coastline
	and with atmospherics that caused very patchy coverage during
	Desert Storm.  This may not have been fully realized some years
	before.

	Alec Chambers.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Subject: Re: Anti-Islamic Slogans=
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:48:25 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kamrani@ifi.uio.no (Kamran)
Subject: Re: Last Names
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:05:22 GMT
Originator: kamrani@otertjern.ifi.uio.no


Name him after me: Kamran. sounds good, doesn't it ?
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Rushdie asks Spain to mediate on death decree
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:10:35 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University


	BARCELONA, Spain (UPI) -- British writer Salman Rushdie asked the
Spanish government Thursday to mediate with Arab countries over the
death sentence imposed on him by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini.
	Rushdie, who appeared at a summer course amid tight security at
Madrid's Complutense University, said he was embarking on a campaign to
raise his profile in European countries, according to the Spanish news
agency EFE.
	He was accompanied by Peruvian writer and former presidential
candidate Mario Vargas Llosa.
	``Spain is the ideal mediator due to its friendship with the Arab
people,'' Rushdie said.
	The late Iranian leader Ayatollah Khomeini passed a death sentence on
Rushdie after the author published his novel ``The Satanic Verses'' in
1988.
	The novel is a fictional account based on the life of the Prophet
Muhammed, the 7th Century founder of Islam, that Iranian leaders and
other Muslims regarded as insulting to the point of blasphemy.
	Since then the writer has lived in hiding, making occasional public
appearances to plead for the sentence to be lifted. In 1991 the book's
Japanese translator was killed in Tokyo.
	Frances D'Souza, chairman of the London-based Rushdie Defense
Committee, said Rushdie had begun a campaign to make his case a
political one -- especially since the release of the last Western
hostages in Lebanon last month.
	Until that time, the British Foreign Office had warned him that
anything he did or said could endanger the hostages, D'Souza said.
	``You simply cannot accept in this world that there is a minority
group of people who seek to impose violently their views on others,''
D'Souza said.


-- 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu                          Amir Taghavi

  =-=-=  The official .signature of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. =-=-=
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bahram@somewhere.in.heaven.edu
Subject: Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam XL
Organization: Mars People International.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:52:30 GMT

	Edward FitzGerald's Translation.
	Modified and added version which is the Text of
	the Fifth Edition (1889):


			82

	As under cover of departing Day
	Slunk hunger-stricken Ramazan away,
	Once more within the Potter's house alone
	I stood, surrounded by the Shapes of Clay.

			83

	Shapes of all Sorts and Sizes, great and small,
	That stood along the floor and by the wall;
	And some loquacious Vessels were; and some
	Listen'd perhaps, but never talk'd at all.

			84

	Said one among them---"Surely not in vain
	"My substance of the common Earth was ta'en
	"And to this Figure moulded, to be broke,
	"Or trampled back to shapeless Earth again."

			85

	Then said a Second---"Ne'er a peevish Boy
	"Would break the Bowl from which he drank in joy;
	"And He that with his hand the Vessel made
	"Will surely not in after Wrath destroy."


			*****




Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Takhti, The Champ.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 07:21:52 GMT
Organization: PahlevAn Takhti

In article <1992Jul28.212518.5965@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>>
>>Mack any information in your keyhan varzeshi's?
>
>Well, andeesheh has already posted an informitive article on Takhti.
>Thank you, Mr. or Ms. Andeesheh. However, I might be able to add to
>it, given the time it takes to dig them out. I have archived 3.5 years
>of "Donya ye Varzesh" on tehran.stanford.edu ... errr I mean ... my
>bookcase! I will look them up when I get a chance and will let you
>know. BTW, Iranian media refer to him as "jahAn pahlevAn takhti".
>
>For a starter, this one is from the Olympic Almanac that I bought last
>night:
>
>    Gholamreza Takhti's Olympic performance:
>
>    1952 Helsinky   79kg    Silver medal
>    1956 Melbourne  87kg    Gold medal
>    1960 Rome       87kg    Silver medal
>    1964 Tokyo      97kg    4th place
>
>This is 10% of our entire medal collection from the Olympics.
>
>There are various stadia and streest named after Takhti. there is also
>a memorial wrestling competition held in his honor each year, and many
>foreign teams take part in it.
>
>I think he died in January of 1966 or 1967. He also has a son named
>Babak Takhti (not our Babak :-) who was born shortly before Takhti's
>death.
>
>>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
>
>    --mack

Thanks for the post, mack.  Thanks to Andisheh too for what you could share
with us.

Hooshyar
From: ahmad@frisco.net.com (Ahmad Esmaeili)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: More questions for Anwar Saleh
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:21:55 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City

In article <1992Jul25.060509.17221@news.clarkson.edu> saleham@cauchy.mcs.clarkson.edu writes:
>According to Webster's, condom is a sheath commonly of RUBBER worn over  
>the *&%$# (as to prevent conception or veneral infection during coitus) 
> That is right, because rubberman :-) is a fiction just like superman. 
>  His name is Latex. :-) 
> It is called suicide when people become like rubber.                             
>According to Webster's, condom is a sheath commonly of RUBBER worn over
>the *&%$# (as to prevent conception or veneral infection during coitus)
>                                 ********************* 
>  And remember; you  are like a rubber. there is a lot of demand on 
>  ruber these days.

>  1000,000,000 of Moslems are not listenning even when a rubberman,
>  sorry, a superman is trying to help them out.
>   
>  I HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT LIKE A RUBBER. 
>   
> Anwar Saleh


Anwar,

Now we know what condom is, thank you. I never thought I would learn
the meaning of condom from a dedicated moslem like you in a public
forum. 

Since you have proven your expertise in condom-mology and sexual matters
may be you can enlighten us (amre-beh-ma'roof) by answering the following
questions:

- How far a moslem man can peneterate during a sexual intercourse while fasting?
- Does wearing a condom change the permitted amount of penetration while fasting?
- Can you elaborate on the correct precedure for "ghoosl" (cleaning procedure in Islam) 
  after having sex with animals as pointed out in "hallol_ma'sAel". I am sure some
  of those 1000,000,000 moslems are not quite clear on this issue which is raised
  but not completely explained by "marAjeh taghleed" in their "hallol_ma'sAel.
- Does wearing a condom change the above procedure? 
- Is wearing a lambskin condom permitted if the lamb was not Islamically
  slaughtered? (zebheh eslAmi)

 If you find the above questions ridiculus, as I do, then refer to 
 your Islamic teachings as discussed in "hallol_ma'sAel".  

-Ahmad AghA 



P.S I invite you to answer my questions rather than wasting the bandwith
to curse at me, as you have done so far.
From: 01saeid@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Some more info on the Baha'is
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:46:47 -0300
Distribution: world
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

 Dear > zafar

I am replying to your comments regarding the sighted articles by
me (Saeid) and Mark Towfig about the existance of miracles.

As we both said Bahai's do not believe in miracles and we also mentiones
that Baha'u'llah (king of the kings) performed many miracles.

I want to tell you that we are both right and there is no disrepency between
our words if the preson who is reading it does not have a prejiduce mind.
I will present you a simple example and I wish that would enlighten you.
Your Chemistry professor comes in the class and says

 Students, I have been trying for many years to convert copper to gold
 by some chemical reaction. I will be doing this for the rest of my life
 but I do not think it is a possible way and there is no logic behind it.

You as a student come out of the class and tell others I don't think
it is possible to change copper to gold but my professor is doing for
all his life.

Someone asks isn't your professor crazy doing this even when he knows
that it is not possible. Well dear I don't have an answer for you.

You see, we are facing the delamma of prejudice. You and everybody else
is reading the Bahai articles and just taking it as it is without even
thinking about it. It is just like talking about the Day of Resurrection.
Unfortunately the Moslim friends take all the discription in Qur'an as 
in a graphical way and expect teh same features happen in that day. 
I understand it is easier to deal with that day in a graphical term 
because it will never happen and you are free from investigating the
truth but dear friend that day has come and only the people who have
put away their projudice and openned their hearts can see the light.

I am afraid I do not consider you as one of those open minded people
because you are having a hard time dealing with the simple comments
of two people.

We Bahai's do not believe in miracles but it does not mean that 
Baha'u'llah (the king of the kings) did not perform any miracles.
We bahai's think that the healing power has been performed by god not the
human being. As far as we are concern there should be a reason for everything
and religion has to make sence and at this day miracles do not make sence.
The Blessed Beauty might have caused some chemical changes in teh person
body to start the healing process but that is in no way considered miracles
by us. 

Now please do not take me literally and throw me back some simple
sentences. I don't have time to repeat myself.

Sincerely

Saeid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian