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From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Dracula preview
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:13:22 GMT

In article <8241@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> kwilliam@mott.seas.ucla.edu (William Kuan) writes:
>
>	I jrecently saw Innocent Blood (a beryvery bad movie IMHO) and saw the
>preview of Dracula. along with other hijack movies. It's the first time I've
>seen th this preview which contains a lgood amouunt of scenes from the movie, asopposed to the previous one I saw which just had blood running down a wall.
>To anyone who has seen this preview and read the book by Stoker, doeesn'tit seemthat the more one sees and hears about this movie, the more it diverges away
>from the feel of the book? For example, there was a scene where something that
>looks like a gargoyle seemsappears. I assume this is onne of the many transformations that Dracula takes, but the book doesn't have Dracula transforming into
>a giant gargoyle. It also seems that there is a great amount of makeup that
>was applied to Gary Oldman's Dracula. It just doesn't feel as if this movie
>captures the atmosphere of Stoker's novel. Even the sparse dialogue I heard
>didn't seem right.
>	Maybe I am overreacting, after all it was only a preview. And I am
>not saying that it should exactly follow Stoker's novel. Don't get me wrong,
>but I did like the preview. It wass, shall we say, different from what I
>expected. All this preview served to do was to reemphasize what I have been
>thinking all along, that it is not a true adaptation of the novel, but onee
>of many imitations. IMHO, they shouldn't have called the movie STOKER'S
>DRACULA but COPPOLA'S DRACULA. But I may be wrong. We'll find out in Thanks-
>giving I guess.

I agree.  Did you happen to catch the preview on MTV's The Big Picture?
Anyways, I caught it on videotape and watched it over and over trying to
uncover some connection to the book.  I wonder if the little dialoge that
is played is actually Mina talking about Jonathan, instead of Dracula.
Aside from the Gargoyle scenes and the Dracula and Mina dancing scene, it
looks somewhat close.  Let us pray...

And yeah, I think a little too much makeup was applied to Oldman for the
old man look.  He looks something like a cross between Crystal's Mr.
Saturday Night and something from the Addam's Family.  I dig the haircut
though!  :^)

	-Casey
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From: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Subject: Re: Getting a copy of a Movie Script
Originator: gamg6900@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:31:47 GMT

oliverm@nevada.edu (Moises Oliveira ) writes:

>Hi there.

>I have a friend who wants the copy of a movie script for Silence of The Lambs.

>I've heard that a store in Sothern California sells the scripts to most 
>major movies for collecotrs and buffs.  If anyone can give me a pointer to that
>store, or knows of an ftp site (:-)) please let me know.

>THX

The place in question is called Script City in Hollywood -- 800-676-2522.
It will certainly have SOTL, but be forewarned of the business practices
of this place: they charge about $18 to photocopy shooting scripts and
do NOT pay royalties to the authors of the scipt. This bothers some people.

						Greg Martin
						g-martin1@uiuc.edu
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From: kimp@rs6408.ecs.rpi.edu (Phil Kim)
Subject: Re: Billy Joel's All Shook Up: Soundtrack??
Keywords: soundtrack
Reply-To: kimp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:44:53 GMT

In article <greg.717894847@babel.cltr.uq.oz.au>, greg@ctpm.uq.oz.au (Greg Hall) writes:
|> 
|> 	In Australia at the moment the radio station's are playing
|>   Billy Joel's latest single, "All Shook Up", a cover of the Elvis
|>   number. Tell if I'm wrong but I think I read somewhere that it
|>   was from the soundtrack of some movie and that it included other
|>   Elvis covers as well. Can anyone tell which movie and what other
|>   covers (if any) are included?
|> 
|> --
|> Greg Hall                            |  "Kitchens! Kitchens! Kitchens!"
|> Centre for Tropical Pest Management  |    - Commercial Crimestoppers   
|> greg@ctpm.uq.oz.au                   |      on 'The Late Show'

Honeymoon In Vegas.  It also features another Elvis Song performed by Billy Joel called Heartbreak Hotel.  Other performances include Elvis songs by Travis Tritt, Willie Nelson, Amy Grant, Vince Gill and the others.
From: hamster@werple.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Danny Elfman
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:37:11 GMT
Organization: werple public-access UNIX, Melbourne
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ab4n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anish Bharat Bhimani) writes:

>Boy it's tough living outside of LA and being an Oingo Boingo fan.

Try being one in Australia... :-)

>Death Becomes Her (*)

>"Tales From the Crypt" (*)

>(*) - actually, the theme song from "Tales" is the same as the song
>featured in "Death Becomes Her". Although I haven't seen the movie, the
>music is played in every trailer I have seen.

That's most probably be because many trailers are prepared so early into
post-production (or sometimes even DURING production) that the music
hasn't been completed yet, so they use something else. 

The music from "Heathers" has turned up in about 4 trailers that I've
seen so far!

By the way, in relation to Elfman, you forgot "Wisdom", with the Oingo
Boingo song "Home Again" played over the end credits as well.

-- 
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From: adam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Adam Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: If....
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:13:51 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <Bv902D.9rr@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
:
:I have long been perplexed by the film "If...." with Malcolm Macdowell.
:
:My first question is, is there any particular reason for the occasional
:use of black & white in it? Is there a story behind that?
:
	Surely the monochrome (not black and white) sequences are intended
to denote fantasy.  Of course, by the end, its all mixed up anyway.
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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Film in Washington Square Park
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:54:50 GMT

A friend of mine in NYU said they were filming something in the park
over the past week or so, around where the chess tables are.  He
believes a short blonde actress he's seen there is Michelle Pfeiffer,
though he could be mistaken.  Does anyone know what project this might
be?

--
"I was trying to figure out which of my friends were hedgehogs, and which
were foxes...."
"Shakespeare wrote _King Lear_, NOT _King Leo_...."
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From: frank@snooks.isri.unlv.edu (Frank Jenkins)
Subject: Backtrack - Joe Pesci? 
Reply-To: frank@snooks.isri.unlv.edu (Frank Jenkins)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:24:10 GMT

I rented a movie last night that I had never heard of. It is called Backtrack and
it is directed by Dennis Hopper, and stars Hopper, Jodie Foster, Vincent Price and
Martin Sheen. It was a so - so movie, but worthwhile just to see Foster. 
It was made in 1989, and Joe Pesci also has a leading role. However, I did not see Pesci's name in the credits. Anyone know why?

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From: ac717@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffry L. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.video
Subject: Re: Last of the Mohicans--Panavision credit
Date: 1 Oct 1992 04:54:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ac717@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffry L. Johnson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ac717@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffry L. Johnson) says:

>Panavision credit is:  Cameras and Lenses by Panavision

Okay, I know I shouldn't trust my memory. The exact wording is:

	filmed with Panavision cameras & lenses

-- 
Jeffry L. Johnson    CWRU Film Society Alumnus
Tech, HLA Lab, Institute of Pathology, CWRU/UH
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From: thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.humor
Subject: Re: Mixed Up Movie Titles
Date: 30 Sep 1992 19:57:58 GMT
Organization: I don't THINK so.
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Summary: Sperminator...
Keywords: Sperminator

In article <14838@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>The other night there was a show on where a porn movie company was being
>investigated.  During a party an "actress" came up to the cops and said,
>"Hi, I'm bambi,  perhaps you saw me in Sperminator two"

The show was "The Commish".

I remember laughing when hearing this, because I recall hearing that, at
a convention before the release of "Terminator II: Judgement Day", Arnold
Schwartzenegger joked that they had considered an alternate sequel title,
namely, "Sperminator II: I Come Again".

:-)

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From: gregs@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Your favorite obscure actors!
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 08:11:15 GMT

steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman) writes:

>>     Another favorite obscure actor of mine is Vincent Schiavelli
>>(possible spelling mangling here).  He was the subway ghost in "Ghost,"
>>and IMHO he put in the best performance of the whole film.  He was also
>>the organ grinder from "Batman Returns."

>Also one of the Cuckoos in "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest".

Do you mean "Mr. Vargas" ('I just switched to Sanka') who was also in
"Fast Times and Ridgemont High" ?

Better than Peter Lorre (sp?)
-- 
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From: helen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu (Helen Rapozo)
Subject: Re: Die Hard 3
Organization: Honolulu Community College
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:47:39 GMT

In article <greg.717038057@babel.cltr.uq.oz.au> greg@ctpm.uq.oz.au (Greg Hall) writes:
>	How about the only survivor from the first one (the nerdy
>	computer programmer)? Just say he gets out of jail (on  
>	parole or something like that) and is ready for revenge 
>	on John McClane. Remeber movie people have a habit of
>	reintroducing characters from the first in a trilogy
>	into the last (??) in a trilogy. (Assuming this will
>	be the last Die Hard film)
**********
True, the programmer did survive.  Also from the second movie there
was a communication type person in the rogue Army unit that wasn't 
there due to his appendicitis.  I guess between the two of them
they could go after McClane.


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From: casais@fzi.de (Eduardo Casais)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: movies with labelled chapters
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:18:04 GMT
Reply-To: casais@fzi.de
Organization: Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI), Karlsruhe, Germany


	Andrei Rublov					Andrei Tarkhovski
	Quatre aventures de Rainette et Mirabelle	Eric Rohmer



Eduardo Casais

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From: ksavolai@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: excalibur music quest
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:31:50 GMT


  James Kewageshig asked:

> 
> By the way, is the Excalibur soundtrack available??
>

  Yes there's Excalibur soundtrack available. I have LP.

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From: pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Peter Alexander Merel)
Subject: Deckard might be a replicant. Time to die.
Summary: Guiness world record equanimity attempt. Pete attempts last word.
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:05:45 GMT

mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>The fact that they are still experimenting with implants, together
>with what I know (little enough) about the way the human brain works,
>is quite sufficient for me to conclude that they can't.

As previously discussed I see this as too much of a leap to make without
hard evidence. So we agree to disagree. 

>Do it (just not Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep).  While I think
>looking for Dickian traits in the film is great fun, using Dick as
>basis to prove things about the film is not valid.

Um, you want me to quote Dick at you so you can tell me that quoting Dick is
not valid? Say, there's these two flies crawling up my wall at the moment ...

>> How much more difficult? So difficult that we can rule it out as a possible
>> interpretation? Why?

>I am not arguing that there can be no
>interpretation in which that is true, but those are too far removed
>from what you see on the screen to really take them into consideration.  

Obviously, this is a value judgement. We can't get any further arguing this.

>> Pots and Kettles and sticks and stones. I have not decided which parts of
>> the film serve as 'proof', and I'll accept any part of the film you care to
>> present as 'proof'. I won't accept speculation though.

>I have not been presenting parts of the film as proofs, but the way
>those parts fit together.  Perhaps that is your problem.

No. You see, you're describing the way the parts fit inside your head. Plainly,
that differs from the way they fit inside many other people's heads, including,
by your own admission, Ridley Scott's. Of course there are still many folk who
will go the their graves with "Deckard was NOT a replicant." still warm on 
their lips. They're entitled to their view. They're not wrong, not misguided,
just different. They don't have a problem. I don't have a problem. You don't
have a problem. There's no problem here at all.

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Theftright Peter A. Merel (T) 1992. Rights to all replies, followups, originals,
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From: wells@cdsmn.mn.org (Rich Wells)
Subject: Re: cartoon violence
Organization: Dicomed, Inc
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:21:04 GMT

mason hart (MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU) wrote:
: In article <3551@creatures.cs.vt.edu>
: debra@creatures.cs.vt.edu (Debra Potts) writes:
:  
: >I'm not saying 'everything then GOOD, everything now BAD,' but I cannot
: >help but wonder why we, kids, didn't appear to be all that violent as a whole
: >back then, even with the oh-so-destructive forces of bugs bunny and road runner
: >to corrupt our minds, but today children OVERALL seems to have increasing
: >levels of agression and hostility, even though their cartoons are supposedly]
: >much lower in overt violence.
: >
: Quite possibly those silly, pseudo-violent Saturday morning cartoons
: were a vent for the perfectly human need to see violence expressed.
: We, as children, satisfied that need by watching Wile E. Coyote and
: Yosemite Sam fall into ravines.  Today's children, forced to settle
: for frustratingly less, eventually turn from their TV's to draw and
: quarter the cat in the backyard.

Add to this the fact that we are considerably more uptight about what
we let our children watch for 4 hours on Saturday morning than what we
allow them to be exposed for 3 hours each night on prime time, or all
day on HBO, Showtime, etc., or in movie theatres.

("We" in the above paragraph refers to society as a whole, not the
enlightened people who have posted to this thread so far (:-).

In other words, if it is true that "today's children OVERALL seem to
have increasing levels of aggresion and hostility", as Mason wrote
above (not to put Mason down, but does anyone have facts and/or
references rather than conjecture?), I suspect it has less to do with
a lack of a vent for "the perfectly human need to see violence
expressed" (again, evidence?) than with an increased exposure to
"real" (as opposed to cartoon) violence on TV and in movies.  I
think one can make the point that seeing violent things happen to
real people, rather than obviously unreal cartoon characters,
desensitizes people (especially children) to that violence.

BTW, please do not read this as advocating censorship; it is merely
a suggestion that parents take it more into their own hands to
regulate what their children watch.  If you wish to call regulating
(your own) children's TV and movie exposure "censorship", be my
guest, but don't flame me.  I'm as against governmental censorship
of TV/movies/books/etc as most others on this net.  But I think I
am responsible for determining when my own children are mature
enough to handle sex, violence, foul language, and all the other
traditional targets of censorship.  And I intend to give my children
a "banned book" every Christmas as soon as they are ready.
-- 

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From: dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892)
Subject: Re: Deckard as 6th Replicant doesn't hold water
Organization: NASA GSFC CDP VLBI
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:29:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.222338.27290@news.nd.edu> Richard A. Swift <Richard.A.Swift.1@nd.edu> writes:
>
>There were at least two instances in the movie where the concept of
>"reprogramming" a replicant was touched upon. The first was near the
>beginning when Deckard sees the computer profiles of the replicants for
>the first time, and his boss mentions that one had been reprogrammed for
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Are you sure he said *RE*programmed, and not just programmed?  For that 
matter, did he say programmed? I don't remember that word being used at
all, nad it would hardly seem appropriate for flesh and blood creations.

>"an off world hit squad". The second instance came near the end of the
>film when Roy confronted Tyrell, and Tyrell states "You wish to be
>reprogrammed?". I don't remember the exact dialog, but these passages in
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The exact (or nearly so) dialog:

Roy: "Can the maker fix what he has built?"
Tyell:  "Do you wish to be modified?"
			   ^^^^^^^^
			   Not a reference to programming, or reprogramming.

>the script gave me the feeling that some type of "knowledge implants"
>were in use.

Well, yes it does.  The term 'brain implant' was explicitly used by Bryant,
Tyrell referred to them as '(something) implant', and Deckard referred to
them as 'memories.'
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From: mvp@hsv3.lsil.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: "Stranger In A Strange Land" To Be Filmed
Organization: LSI Logic/Headland Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:47:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.052736.15480@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Peter Alexander Merel) writes:
>So [David Bowie] did "The Man Who Fell To Earth" instead.

*Bluch* what a wretched movie.

>Now me, I'd like Kyle Maclachlan (Cooper from Twin Peaks) to do it.

Ummmm... I don't know.  I think he'd do the mature Valentine
Michael Smith well, but I don't see him being very believable
as the wide-eyed innocent.

>But really, anyone but Hanks. I don't care
>if its Madonna, as long as its not Hanks. 

I could see Hanks doing a good job of it, especially the first
half.  I'm less confident of his ability to handle the second
half, but thinking about his performance in "Bonfire of the
Vanities", I think he could be at least adequate in the role.

I think he's really a bit too old for the role, though.
Wasn't VMS a teenager?
-- 
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From: AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark)
Subject: Re: Beverly Hillbillies: The Movie!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:56:49 GMT

In article <j427393@pro-amber.cts.com>,
rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki) writes:
>You must be joking! Is Hollywood that bankrupt of ideas that they would
>bring back that bit of drek from the '60s?

Yes, of course.  Haven't you noticed?  The really sad part is
the number of people who will pay to see it.

-- Mark

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From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: My Own Private Idaho
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:53:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.105609.10219@walter.cray.com> jhouge@craysea.cray.com (Jennifer Houge) writes:
>
>Does anyone know what this movie was about?
>I sat through the whole thing without one clue.

The only things that I got out of the movie was the River
Phoenix character's search for love... he never found it.
Even when he looked at his closest friend, the Reeves
character, he couldn't find it... that character was just too
far into hate for his father to allow himself to love someone
else.  

There were three really sad moments for Mikey that I recall...
one was in the dessert when he was feeling lonely and the
Reeves character forgot his hate long enough to comfort him;
another was the frustration of hearing the one he loved with
someone else; and the final one was seeing that same person
turn their back on him.

The movie was soooooo sad... you could just feel the
lonliness.  I'm afraid most people only saw the gay hustlers
and their comprehension stopped there.  Was this your case? 

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