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From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Subject: Re: Public screen utility?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Distribution: world
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Date: 13 Oct 92 19:25:04 PST
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica

In <Bw0vI2.2yI@fc.hp.com>, koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren) wrote:
> What I want now is a small utility which makes the frontmost public
> screen into the default public screen at all times.  In other words, if
> I run a program from a shell window on public screen "foo", I want my
> program to show up there.  If I then flip to public screen "bar", and
> run a program, I want to see this program on "bar" now, not "foo".

[I told them this would happen; nobody listened....]

I've got something I like a bit better. It's a commodity that locks
the public screen list, finds the next public screen, brings it to the
front, and makes it the default public screen. I have it bound to
LAmiga-N. That way, LAmiga-M cycles through all the screens (without
changing the default public screen), and LAmiga-N cycles through the
public screens, making it one the default as you reach it.

Most of the time, I just LAmiga-N, and the top screen is always the
default public screen. However, I can also switch from the current
default to the WB without changing the default public screen, and
launch something that will then open on the other screen.

Sorry, I can't give you a copy, and I can't tell you where to get one.
Just offering an alternative to the behavior you suggested.

	<mike
From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Spice, SPlot, & VI
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:07:45 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>In article 20233@usl.edu, mih8447@usl.edu (Hebert Marc I) writes:
>>
>>Finally, I have a working version of Spice & SPlot.  (I had mistakenly been
>>trying to use an FFP version of Splot.)  Thanks to everyone who sent advice.
>>
>>Does anyone out there use an amiga version of vi?  (A Unix text editor)
>>I have elvis 1.5, but it won't allow you to re-edit a document in one
>>sitting, which is really frustrating.  I've heard at least one other vi clone
,
>>but haven't seen it.

Stevie.  It's a vi clone that is available on Amiga and Atari.
It even uses the help key.  Here's the only info I find on it.

STEVIE - Version 3.7A Oct 10 1989 22:03:51

I believe this was the first almost-completely implimented vi clone.
Hope that helps.

-Joel
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From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Is Black bad in Europe ?
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:10:08 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA



monty@sagpd1 writes:
: 
:     I was just talking to one of our design engineers and he made a statement
: that I would like to verify. It seems that Europeans do not like electronic
: equipment that is Black. I do not know if this is true or not and would like

 My father used to work for Zenith back in the early 70's designing audio
amplifiers for their stereo equipment.

 At that time the engineers wanted to put everything in black metal cases,
which they thought looked cool and were pretty functional.

 Unfortunately the marketing people didn't agree, they were convinced that
Americans don't like stuff in black boxes, and much prefer equipment in
simulated wood boxes.

 The end result:

 Zenith no longer makes stereo equipment.



-- 
Steve Sheldon         sheldon@iastate.edu
Iowa Cooperative Soil Survey Resource Unit
2142 Agronomy, Iowa State University  (515) 294-5429
From: rullier@platon.greco-prog.fr (Rullier Pascal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Are the Fish 731-740 available via ftp yet?
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:47:31 GMT
Organization: GRECO Programmation du CNRS - Bordeaux,France
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Steve Heller (music@moravian.edu) wrote:
: I'm looking for the latest fish disks via ftp? Anyone know where they
: might be?
: -- 
: *-------------------------------------------------------------------------*
: #   export meaning_of_life=$(eval 'grep -i truth mind_of_god | sort -u')  #
: # Work: music@moravian.edu  <#!AMIGA!#>  Home: moravian.edu!vortex!lothar #
: *-------------------------------------------------------------------------*

Look at amiga.physik.unizh.ch:/systems/amiga/fish



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From: ry41@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Bernhard Moellemann)
Subject: Re: Public screen utility?
Keywords: public screens
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:13:22 GMT

In article <Bw0vI2.2yI@fc.hp.com>, koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren) writes:
>What I want now is a small utility which makes the frontmost public
>screen into the default public screen at all times.  In other words, if
>I run a program from a shell window on public screen "foo", I want my
>program to show up there.  If I then flip to public screen "bar", and
>run a program, I want to see this program on "bar" now, not "foo".  Most
>public screen managers seem to require *explicit* selection of the
>default public screen.  I want *implicit* selection.  This, coupled with
>"shanghai" mode set on all screens, would make public screens much more
>usable, IMHO.  I have looked for such a thing, but haven't found one.
>It doesn't sound like a difficult thing to write as a small commodity.
>Has anyone done it?

I wrote ScreenManager (aminet:os20/util/sm_1_13c.lzh), which does some of
the required things. You can make the frontmost public screen to the default
public screen with

  ScreenManager # DEFAULT

I think its a big hack to change the default screen, everytime another Screen
gets the frontmost one. But C=-Amiga should introduce some "screen-assigns"
like FRONT, BACK, TOP, BOTTOM, DEFAULT and RECENT. Every named reference to
one of this would lead to the screen, which currently meets this condition.

>On a related note, has is it possible to specify an alternate background
>for public screens?  I use workbench in a backdrop window on my main
>screen to get a nice background pattern different from my windows.

This is in the next release of ScreenManager, but currently I have
no spare time to finish the OS3.0-support. Sorry.

>If I had these two things, I'd probably end up using public screens a
>lot more than I do now.  Right now, I always end up switching to a new
>public screen, running a program, and wondering why it hasn't showed up,
>when it really went to the last public screen I was using because I
>haven't changed my default yet.

Use the POPUP-mode. Then a multiple screen-system is very useful.
I _love_ my old-style screen with blue background and white text.

-- 
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From: jcmurphy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jeff Murphy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: educ pricing?
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:52:27 GMT
Organization: UB



can someone post (or email me) the current educ pricing on 3000, 3000t 
and 4000 packages?

thanks

j murphy
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From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:25:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.100344.11053@cs.hut.fi> oahvenla@blob.cs.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) writes:
>
>From academical curiosity only: Nec 3DS supports horizontal sync down to 15kHz,
>but what about refresh rates? I read about some monitor that can do 15kHz, but

The 3DS does 50-90 Hz vertical. I've tried it with the non-interlaced
"Super72" and "Euro72" screenmodes, and it can handle all of them.

>only 55Hz refresh. I don't remember which it was though. PAL screen modes need
>50Hz refresh. If I have understood correctly, to use all A4000 screenmodes you
>would need a multiscan monitor capable of 15kHz to 31.5kHz horizontal sync and
>50Hz to 72Hz refresh. Is this correct? Are there any monitors that can do this,
>and how do they measure to others in terms of display clarity, contrast etc?

Yeah, I think the monitor would have to support 50-72Hz vertical along with
15-31.5 kHz horiztonal. Well, the 3DS and the C= 1950 and 1960
monitors(hopefully! ;) satisfy this. Hopefully some others do too! I don't
know how the picture of the 3DS compares with C='s monitors, although one
person claimed that the 1950 offered a better display in his opinion.  I
am somewhat doubtful about this, he's seen both and I haven't... still, in
terms of overall flexibility (being able to work with different computer
platforms and display modes CGA, EGA, Mac II, etc..) _and_ reliability I
don't think you can beat the 3DS.  About the only thing it falls short is
that at higher resolutions (800x600 and up) I think the 3DS can only do
interlaced.

>--
>Osma Ahvenlampi  -  oahvenla@niksula.cs.hut.fi
>My opinions are mine, and though someone else may share them, that's not my
>fault. You may freely agree or disagree with me, I don't much care.

Francis

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: schwager@cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Schwager)
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:32:40 GMT

chrisg@cbmvax.commodore.com (Chris Green) writes:


>>   Over two and-a-half years ago, when the Amiga 3000 came out, many people
>>remember how much I flamed the system because of the few improvements it 
>>offered in the overall characteristics that make the Amiga an Amiga. 

>Please confine your posts of this nature to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, where
>they are more appropriate.

>*-------------------------------------------*---------------------------*
>|Chris Green - Graphics Software Engineer   - chrisg@commodore.COM      f

Chris,
With all due respect, misinformation is not appropriate anywhere.  Mark
should just be quiet and get an education.  He needs it.
-Mike
 schwager@cs.uiuc.edu
Fish Archive Spots: (updated 9/29/92)
128.174.5.59    ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (disks 001-730 and counting.. GO, Fred, GO!)
     Maintained by Mike Schwager (schwager@cs.uiuc.edu)
128.255.19.233 grind.isca.uiowa.edu  has FF #1-current
     Maintained by Michael T. Pins (amigapd@isca.uiowa.edu)
128.171.44.7 ftp.hawaii.edu (mirror of ux1: disks 001-current)
	Maintained by amiga@ftp.hawaii.edu (Baron) 
	The disks on ux1 say: "...I want to be a Fish Disk in Hawaii!" :-)
16.1.0.2 gatekeeper.dec.com has FF #1-600 or so in /pub/micro/amiga/fish
     Maintained by vixie@pa.dec.com   ... does not appear to be current
128.252.135.4 wuarchive.wustl.edu  has the newest in systems/amiga/fish/fish
     (Woah!  Now lots of disks at one of America's premier ftp sites!)
IN AUSTRALIA:
139.130.4.6     archie.au
     a mirror of wuarchive.wustl.edu?  Maintained by ???
IN EUROPE:
128.214.6.100 ftp.funet.fi  carries all Fish disks in /pub/amiga/fish.
     Maintained by Pertti Lehtinen <pl@ftp.funet.fi> and
                   Jarkko Hietaniemi <jhi@ftp.funet.fi>
137.226.4.105 ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de
     /pub/amiga/fish/f?         Disks 600+
     /pub/amiga/fish/olddisks   Disks 1-600 (mounted from CDROM)
     Maintained by Stefan Becker
     <stefanb@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de>
From: mjw+@cs.cmu.edu (Michael Witbrock)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: How to "leave out" the trashcan
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:09:01 GMT
  <1992Oct08.214751.118901@watson.ibm.com>
  <epa.718831521@cygnus.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu>
 <67742@cup.portal.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Adding :Trashcan works for the .backdrop file on any partition, not just the root one. Of course, you will end up with several identical trashcans on your
workbench, and have to remember which one to use when. This is as good a reason
as any for the system to discourage you from leaving the trashcan out.

In any case, the conclusion is clearly that we need a working `black hole' program, preferably one that can make copies of the "deleted" file in one of the
trash directories if the user wants.

michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: Rob_Semenoff@saug.UUCP (Rob Semenoff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: a600!
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:27:36 CST
Organization: Saskatoon Amiga Users' Group

     I could have sold my friend on getting into the Amiga family. COULD
being the opperative word!! He had me phone the local and ONLY amiga
dealer, I asked 
"How much for the Amiga 600 with 40meg HD?"

     After being on hold for almost 10 minutes the salesman came back and
said

"the price is ..... $750.000"

     $750.00 well for a low end machine that f@#king stupid!!! If anyone
from C= is out there reading this, read on. My friend said NO WAY am I
going to spend that much money for that little thing, and with that the
search ended. He no longer wants to get an amiga and he is now looking at
other systems.

     I too think $750 is way too much for such a crappy BASE system. If C=
wants to break into the console market I think this is NOT the way to do
it.    Needless to say that the C= dealer also never sells ANY Amiga
System. They are still selling Amiga 3000/25/50 for $2800 (No monitor) Most
people are going out of town to other dealers to buy Amiga stuff, 7 hours
drive away is too far but it still beats the local dealer!!!!! the meaning
of this letter is that now my friend is pissed of at C= and so am I for
letting this dealer screw us for what money they can make!!!

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

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:     Rob Semenoff        :   telepro!saug!Rob_Semenoff@access.usask.ca    
:
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: Amiga2000HD -Gforce 030 25MHz '882 -9 megs ram  - WB2.04  -14400  V.32Bis
:
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From: sevigny@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Benoit Sevigny)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for 030 software...
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:45:30 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal

In article <1992Oct14.225557.18850@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Stefan Berg" <sgberg@peach.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>Now where I got my 33MHz MMR /030+882, I`m looking for some software,
>which makes use of the capabilites of my accelerator (MMU, 882, etc...).
>If somebody has some suggestion, please email me.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Stefan
>

AmigaOS 2.x will make use of everything you asked for :)
--
-=*                                                                         *=-
   __ Skipping every ?86 numbered lines in your code will remove all your
__/// remaining bugs and bottlenecks 8^)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Subject: A4000 utility for "global promotion" avail. for FTP
Keywords: a4000,aga,promotion
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:05:58 GMT

  It's here!

  I have put up a utility for forcing all opened screens into DblPAL/DblNTSC
on an A4000 (or any other AGA/ECS machine with the appropriate monitor files).
It patches GfxLibrary so all screens opened without explicitly specified 
display modes are opened as DblPAL or DblNTSC screens.

  The archive is called `a2ntsc11.lha' and the program was written by Nico
Francois.

  It was uploaded to `ftp.luth.se', and should be available from all AmiNet
FTP sites shortly. I don't know what subdirectory it will end up in.

  Regards, 
            Stefan (who is anxiously waiting for his A4000 ;-)
-- 
Stefan Boberg - AP & EE student at Linkoping Institute of Technology, Sweden
 Author of LhA, ArjA and LhArcA. Co-author of Alien Breed, Project X ...
  EMail: boberg@lysator.liu.se, lha@augs.se           FIDO: 2:204/404.7
    UUCP:  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmehq!cbmswe!team17!boberg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: s37732v@lk-hp-20.hut.fi (Markus Juhani Aalto)
Subject: Re: A4000 ?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 09 Oct 92 08:44:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.063412.6947@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

   In article <9210062217.AA12160@judy.indstate.edu> arc@JUDY.INDSTATE.EDU (Arc Wave) writes:
   >Are the Amiga 4000 screens going to have scan lines?

      Most of the A4000 screens will have scan-lines.  The A4000 does not have
   a display enhancer like the A3000, which will remove the flicker and scan lines
   from most of the resolution modes.  The A4000 merely adds two modes -- DblPAL
   and DblNTSC -- which are non-interlaced versions of the interlaced PAL and
   NTSC modes.  But if a program tries to open a screen in a standard mode, you
   will get all of the scanlines and flicker just as if the screen were being
   opened on an Amiga 500.

      I can personally attest, BTW, that the Super72 800x600 mode DOES have
   scan lines.

   ---
   | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
   --------------------------------------------------


Yes, but I think that it's very easy to write a patch for OpenScreen and 
OpenScreenTagList functions so that they always open up promoted screen.

Can't do this myself, cause I don't have neccessary stuff (KS3.0 or its includes)!

Can someone from CBM to confirm that this is possible?

By running this patch before any graphic is shown in BOOT all screen using software
would work correctly using promoted modes. This of course leaves out most of the 
games and programs opening their own viewport.

--


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Subject: Re: Workbench 3.0 DataTypes
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:27:39 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <67726@cup.portal.com> Chris_Lynn_Minshall@cup.portal.com writes:
>Your hypoethesing (sp?) is quite correct about the datatypes.library.  It

Idle wondering -- did any of this datatypes stuff come from the
HyperFunction talk in csa oh-so long ago?

It feels and looks rather familiar ;)

David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin E. Black)
Subject: Re: Need advice on accelerator (030/xx or 000/14).
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:01:00 GMT

"Stefan Berg" <sgberg@raisin.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

>Option 2: 030 Processor
>I heard, that the MMR does *not* work with DMA to its RAM. So I have to
>force my GVP to use its slow 8MB Fast RAM instead. If this affect my

Not so, i run a gvp a500hd and mmr 25mhz.  Runs fine, infact i seem to get
quicker reads and writes in 030.


>HD read/write speed, than I'm not too happy with it. Then there is the
>VXL 030. I think it is available for about $300 to $400, which is still
>acceptable. Does it have a build in MMU? I heard somewhere, that it
>uses the 68EC030. How much would a MMU version of it cost?

I picked up a mmu 030 881 25mhz mmr for $300.  I didn't get incredible speed
increase with it.  You would need 32 bit memory.  And why that is 
expensive is because you have to buy a board to put your 32bit ram
on.  But YOU CAN USE YOUR GVP'S 8MB OF RAM AT 16BIT, you just need set it at
a lower priority.  
 
>One compromise would be to take the VXL with 2MB. Then I have a
>total of 11 MB RAM. Can I somehow control which programs will run
>in my fast 2MB fast RAM? i.e.... my RAM DISK should if possible run
>in 16MB RAM. It still is a little expensive (>$500) though.

Problem with vxl, they address their memory low so your 68000 mode can see
it.  Bad news with 8mb already installed

>How expensive is RAM, when you buy it for the A3000? Do you also pay
>$200 per 2MB? If somebody knows some good alternatives for me, please

Well you can get 2mb of ram for about $250 extra.  But if you want 4 or 8
You will rip out the ram and replace it.  You can get 4mb for $450 and 
upgrade to 8mb by just filling in the other half of your mmr expansion b.

But keep an eye out for the derringer, it is made by the people that made
the mmr and their internal ram accepts up 32mb.  It is going to be cheaper
though than mmr.

Only one warning on the insert of 030 board.  Watch out for some rom 
switchers aren't low enough to fit.  I found one made by icd that the
cable is long enough the roms are sitting on top of the a501.  But 
other expansions like the 2mb megachip would be too big.

Marty

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez | 802-36-4453)
Subject: CHIP RAM on the A4000
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:35:14 GMT

  This is supposed to be in advocacy I guess, but I can't get there for some
unknown reason :-(

  Well, remember everyone here about the 2 meg chip ram limit?  There was
a rumour about a jumper in the A4000 for 'upgrading' to 8 meg of chipram.

  Well, a friend of mine went to a dealer in Northfield, MN, and the machine
has that jumper!  Isn't this interesting?  Now, will this be for Super Alice?

- Raist

   Any comments about this Dave Haynie?
From: Roger_Martensson@nola.bbs.bad.se (Roger Martensson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: amiga and dos
Date: Mon,  5 Oct 92 13:10:22 +0000
Reply-To: Roger_Martensson@nola.bbs.bad.se (Roger Martensson)
Distribution: world
Organization: Nolaskolans TCL, Ornskoldsvik, Sweden 
OD-Comment-To: Massimo_Mazzucchi

 mm> i have amiga 500 
 mm> i want know if i download many files for amiga from BBS 
 mm> with a pc-dos in which way i can user it on amiga? 
 
If the files is Amiga executables then it ok, but if it is IBM-executables 
then don't even try to run it. It wont start. 
 
/Rm  
  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: mr_scary@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Chris Hurley)
Subject: Re: A4000 complete or not?
Keywords: I hate this!!!
Organization: Lakes Public Access
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:25:13 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>    Some people might prefer that you keep messages such as this to advocacy,
> but I am not one of them.
> 
> 
> ---
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> --------------------------------------------------

Exactly.  In spite of the hoards of requests to keep your slanted, 
doomsday type posts in the newsgroup created for arguments:c.s.a.a, you 
repeatedly post elsewhere.  The problem stems from the fact that my 
stomach won't let me pass a Marc-i-cidal message without a reply, and 
that when you get replies, you, in some twisted way, get satisfaction 
from it.
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