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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:57:36 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Everything

Ahmed,

I don't believe the Quran says to cover everything except the eyes.. I
also think the reason is something to the effect that they should not
"tempt" men.....  In today's society where women can be seen wearing
practically nothing or a lot of revealing clothes, men are not and
do not get excited over seeing a woman's hair or face... and what about
old women, they are not going to tempt men because their arms are
showing......

One has to understand the INTENT of scriptures...one has to understand the
reason why some things are stated in the Quran.... and only then can one
be a rational follower....  Perhaps in Saudi Arabia or other Arab
countries, a woman may tempt a man by showing her arms or face or hair, once
she flies into Europe, she can change into modest clothings without fear of
attracting too much attention.... there are a lot of women in Europe who
dress specifically to attract men...

Its also the difference between fundamentalists...those who follow
exactly as if we were still living in the time of the prophet..and the
millions of moslems living in Inida. Pakistan, Indonesia, China and
other countries including the U.S. and Europe...

zahir
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From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Self Respect

hello Peggy...
     OK...If they cannot find jobs why they don't go to reliogious
organization like churches and other places where people can help
them...becoming a prostitiute is a very big sin in Christianity...
they are spreading evil on this earth and GOD does not like those
people who spread evil....so just for few cents they are making a
home in hell fire in the hereafter.....

Ahmed
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:13:00 MST
From:         "Lisa J. Gilmore" <TSLGILMORE@CC.WEBER.EDU>
Subject:      Lithuanian changes

So Vytautas Landsbergis is out!  I hope this is a good move and will
allow better trade in Lithuania.  I do understand that the majority of
Parliament is "reformed-Communist".  What are your feelings on this?
Does anyone know any of out Lithuanian brothers and sisters and their
feelings on these changes?
                LJG    tslgilmore@cc.weber.edu
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Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Self Respect

Clarke..
yes I agree that balmaes goes to both parties...
Ahmed
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From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      RE: Everything

hello Brian....
  regarding the the verse in Quran of woman covering themselves...there is a
clear verse directly emphasising.....and also there are sying of the prophet.
regarding this matter....and I believ there are at two places clearly mentioned
regarding woman covering themselves....

Ahmed....
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:58:00 EST
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Subject:      Re: Role of the United Nations

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>Jean,
>
>There already is a world government....its a benevolent dictatorship and
>the dictator is the U.S..... The UN is its cabinet....
>
>zahir
The reason it is like that, is because the other countries like it
and accept it that way. Otherwise the the rest of countries would get together
and try to change that. But they don't because they either want help from
the U.S, owe money to the U.S. or both. I wonder what would happen if the
U.S desided to withdraw from the U.N.? hmmmmm....
ceeeeeeeeeeeee....
From: adij@DI.UFPE.BR (Alcino Dall Igna Junior)
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Date: 17 Nov 92 20:47:54 GMT
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I think that Personal Relations Specialist it's better. In any way,
there is Public Relations Specialist, and with a bit different meaning :-)

Alcino

On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 oliver@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU wrote:

> Hey, Phil.  How about Public Relations Specialist?
>
> Just couldn't resist.  8-)
>
> Oliver
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Subject:      RE: Prostitutes and Self Respect

Hey, Phil.  How about Public Relations Specialist?

Just couldn't resist.  8-)

Oliver
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From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      RE: Everything

hello Mustafa...
    Please correct me if I am wrong....That you are a muslim....
There is a verse in sura Nur,Sura Al-ahzab..

I bleieve you been a muslim should be able to find it out from HOLY QURAN.

how ever i will also post the number of verse later...

Ahmed
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:11:09 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Role of the United Nations

Kerry,

I have heard this for 25 years now...this idea of the Roman Empire and
Great Britain and so on.... Remember Great Britain dominated the entire
19 th century....  Its a long long way away from going down..... The
U.S. still rules and will continue to....

Just like the Rulers of Saudi Arabia come from the Royal family and
Saddam comes from a sect, we the people of the U.S. are the Royal
family from which the ruler(s) of the world comes...the U.S. Gov't....
though we belong to the same "sect" we are not super close relatives,
those are the corporations and the militiary-industrial complex...

You keep quoting Japan and Germany....they are both like the kings
relatives....with our militiary power and so many investments of
Japan and Germany locked up in the U.S., they never can truly hurt
us and are doing well with the blessings of our government....

zahir
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:25:19 -0400
From:         WIDDKB85@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Role of the United Nations

I have tried to unsubscribe unsucessfully, can someone help - PLEASE
unsubcribe X-Cult Kathleen B. Widden
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From:         Gerry Callaghan <eeigcn@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Self Respect

Hi Ahmed,
You wrote in a recent posting

>....so just for few cents they are making a
> home in hell fire in the hereafter.....

I am not sure that I believe in Hell fire, but if it exists its for the
men ( and they are all men ), who created a society where a thirteen year
old has to sell her body to survive.

Gerry

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From:         Uwe <UWEHAUCK@DOSUNI1.RZ.UNI-OSNABRUECK.DE>
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              13 Nov 1992 07:58:15 -0400 from <STCHRI@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>

Yap, you should probably just neo-nazis but the violence they
apply against minorities just does not allow you to do so.
But on the other hand, if you watch the news here in germany and all
the people demonstrating, newspapers writing and people talking about
them and against them there seems to be a very large majority that
does not support them in any way and is not willing to accept any
kind of neonazism in germany..
Uwe
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From:         "DOUGL, APPARENTLY." <STCHRI@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: Veils, etc.

Hmmm.. I need to remember to change the subject line.

Anyway, if your suggestion is that the judge take a more active part
in jury selection, aiming for an informed balance, then I agree.

I go back to my suggestion that "jury consulting" firms shoudl be
abolished immediately, taking away the one immediate advantage the
defense often
has of rigging the jury with frivolous objections to potential
jurors who do not fit the demographic profile the consaultants
have devised.

How you would go about creating a jury pool that met your criteria
of being informed seems rather difficult but I can agree with this
as well. A jury should be able, by its native qualities and its
specific expertise, to render a decision which is reasonable for the
community in which the decision is made.

The notion of peer - a jury reflecting the general community rather than
being matched to the needs of defense or the prosecution - is tricky
but worth arguing for...


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From: SOCW9V@UHUPVM1.BITNET (jean)
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On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:46:16 -0500 Joyce Neu said:
>
>A question for the list:  are there universals in human rights?  If so,
>what are they?
>
Ah, Joyce. we discussed this more than a year ago.  I believed then
and still do now that the world is getting too small for national
sovereignty as we know it to stay intact.  I am reminded of
the wrenching it must have taken to go from the the loose confederation
of states to the United States.

In a similar way, I might add, I think that privacy as we now know it
is bound to change.  Even on this list, people are saying things about
themselves to complete "strngers" that a couple of decades ago
would have been unthinkable.

Yes, I do believe we are heading towards a world government.  And
I would think that protection of life would be high on the agenda.
At least it's high on my agenda.
But I have never been good at fortune-telling....

Jean

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From:         Annette Hamm <hamma@CCMAIL.WIU.BGU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Self Respect

          Finally, a subject I can jump in on!

          I really have enjoyed Zahir's last two points about the
          legialization of prostitution.  I agree standards in this
          field could be possible with government intervention.
          Government regulations would help eliminate some of the
          abuses inherent in the practice of prostitution, such as
          physical abuse by "pimps," child/underage prostitutes, and
          could help in preventing the spread of disease.  I have no
          fantasies that such a proposition will ever come in to pass
          in my lifetime or many years thereafter, if ever.  But I am
          one of the minority (I'm sure) who would support government
          regulation and legalization of this profession.
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:26:56 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Role of the United Nations

Jean,

There already is a world government....its a benevolent dictatorship and
the dictator is the U.S..... The UN is its cabinet....

zahir
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From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Self Respect

hello Clarke....
   OK at 13 years she might be excused..that she is too young but at age
of twenty when a person is able to think...they should think what they are
in.....by the way some become prostititute at age of 20 or above....I
believe your justification that she is to young and is scared wont work...

Ahmed
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Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Self Respect

Brenda..
  I believe prostititutes have a mind too...and they are qware what business
they getting into....if they think they are been victimized then they should
never do this .....by the way i don't believe in this BS that is justification
why woman become a prostitiute...that is they don't have money and.....etc..
Because they are many other descent jobs they can do...after all not all woman
without money become prostitute..rather they do some other descent job..
probably only those people come in prostitution those who are obsses by dirty
mind and maybe Satan....because everyone knows its a bad job..and sin doing
prostitution.....


Ahmed
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:56:39 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject: Re: rape

Janet,

Zahir NEVER intended to say that close knit families do not result in
famous athletes.....

I said that close knit families  and cultures result in group decision
making processes and often children are guided towards a career decision
where chances of making a succesful career are important..... thus, athletes fro
   m many
many countries either come from poor families where economic success is
often seen as possible through sports....

Even in the U.S., American children of ethnic groups where decisions are
made by family or group, few have gone on to sports or athletic careers
be it American born Arabs or Indians or Chinese or others.... Parents tend to
push then hard to spend more time studying and less time playing because
education as seen as a great way to avoid failure....

Zahir only said that there are societies and cultures where the decision
maker is NOT the person most affected by the decision.....and the corollary
to it is that in such instances career choices are designed to avoid
failure and increase the chances of "economic" success... Many Americans
make career choices based on what they are interested in (be it sports or
sculpture or art)....

Zahir
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Subject:      RE: Everything

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
hello Mustafa...
>   Please correct me if I am wrong....That you are a muslim....
>There is a verse in sura Nur,Sura Al-ahzab..
>
>I bleieve you been a muslim should be able to find it out from HOLY QURAN.
>
>how ever i will also post the number of verse later...
>
>Ahmed


Ahmed
   Instead of avoiding the question by questioning my muslimness,
please post the verse (ayat).

          Mustafa
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:23:55 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Self Respect

Clarke,

I am one of those people who do not believe in legislating morality...
be it prostitution or smoking dope.... and if you look at studies of
who gets charged on these issues, its mostly the poor and the minorities and
the young....

Zahir
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:59:35 EST
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Subject: intercultural scientific CMC


Hello,

     I'm very much interested in computer-mediated communication
in international/intercultural teamwork. I'm planning to write
an M.A.thesis on international scientific collaboration utilizing
CMC, specifically email.

     If you know any journals or books which deal with such topics
(or have any other suggestions), please could you let me know?

Thanks in advance.

Kayoko Katsuya-Corbet
kxk120@psuvm.psu.edu
Speech Communication Dept.
Pennsylvania State Univ.
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From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Self Respect

hello Gerry..
   i don't get you....you mean that only men will go to hell fire (correct me
if i misunderstood you)...so hence women will not is that you are pointing out.

ahmed
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:28:11 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Self Respect

Clarke,

For what its worth....Ann Landers apparently did a huge survey of women
40+ and the results indicated some over 40% of women ( I don't know if
they were married or single) WANT to do without sex....or do without
sex....  They apparently ONLY want to be held or nurtured... Too bad
Ann Landers did not folllow up with whether they would mind if the
male got sex elsewhere....

I do have problems with the idea that we elevate our sexual organs to
such a higher plane than our other organs...be it hands, feet, mind or
whatever.  We would divorce our mates for sexual infedility but accept
intellectual infedilty or emotional infedility... we object to being
paid for sex or sensual dancing but adore the same sexuality or sensuality
when singers sing about sex and sensuality .....

zahir
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:17:27 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Ahmed

GGood Point....NOT OURS TO JUDGE....
zahir
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From:         Uwe <UWEHAUCK@DOSUNI1.RZ.UNI-OSNABRUECK.DE>
Subject:      RE: Erich Honecker...

I also agree with Klaus. The law-suit "Erich Honecker" is more of a
political approach than a real punishment for a criminal.
In my opinion, west-german authorities are trying to calm down east-german
emotions on how the east-germans are treated after the unification.
On the problem of the heart attack stories. I think that is only the
normal kind of stop things from going stuff all the lawyers try to
use.
Don't believe that kind of stuff, as long as it isn't officially
proven.
Uwe
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:20:05 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Prostitutes and Self Respect

Brenda,

While most of us like to think prostitutes are victims... and we must
examine why its so important to think of them that way......there are
many who are so by choice and who like what they do...  I think they
should be allowed to do so....

zahir
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From:         Kerry <U350000@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: World govt and your response

Thank you for responding to my question and sharing your opinion with
me.  I like the fact that many different people can share many different
opinions in xcult.  However, I would like to address something you said.
   You said that you thought I had offended people with my opinion of
the Cold War role of the United States.  I think, perhaps, that my view
is not extremely popular, but it is only an opinion, such as the opinions
on prostitution, veils, Saddam Hussein vs. Bush, etc.  I didn't use
insults, I merely stated a political opinion with references to actual
events that can be documented in newspapers and books (ie. El Salvador
death squads).
    We all have different opinions and different cultures, but if we get
offended by this diversity, then we cannot learn from each other.  If
someone disagrees with my statements, I would be happy to read their
opinions or arguments, so I can learn from them.
                                                Kerry
              P.S. Thank you for
                    writing.


   Oh no!!  I forgot to address this letter in the beginning! This letter
   is for Zahir (Ahmed).

           Bye!!
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