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From: onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (K2-2nd on Earth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re:  Premarrital sex, daemon, and law
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:12:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.77872
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug14.004024.23136@cco.caltech.edu> chiu@sampson.ccsf.caltech.edu (John Chiu) writes:
>...  
>
>I don't see pre-marital sex poses any big problem.  What I feel is that pure
>love in these days are just too hard to find.  Many can hardly find one during
>his/her whole life.  And so love/sex becomes some sort of substitute.  That's
>really depressing, but it is.  What can I say?

What is pure love?  Nowadays, people ask for more from a dating relationship. 
(Because of the mass media?)  There are people who insist not to have premarital
sex, but the world has changed.  My perception of pure love would be: A loves B
not because (in part) B gives A sense of sexual pleasure.  

My opinion is that sex is a desire, a physical need and a product of love, but 
definitely not a source of love.  (Even though Penhouse does not object to the 
so-called recreational sex, it advises it readers not to let rec. sex interfere
with their dating relationship and/or marriage.)  Undoubtedly, the sexual 
intimacy may give one a sense of security and closeness.  It isn't, however, a
base of love.  

Andrew 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: OH my... look what I found...
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 06:48:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.041442.16029@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>Hi people,
>
>	I just found something... oh my...
>
>if you get a chance, try: telnet ustlib.ust.hk
>

Ah no big deal... it is just he HKUST library online catalog.

>(However, please don't abuse it).  Also, it is *very* slow, so please...
>use it gently.  :)

Depends on the time of the day though 8).

>PS: how come nobody told me about HYTELNET before?  
Well have you tried other services too like Gopher and WAIS?


Me Han Mann
From: wlau@austin.ibm.com (Wai Lau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Italy organizations?
Keywords: Italy Hong Kong
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:07:06 GMT
Reply-To: johniac@austin.iinus1.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM Austin
Originator: wlau@lau.austin.ibm.com


I'm headed to Italy this winter for two years.  Does anyone know any
organizations or students association over there for Asian students?

Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: chanwa@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Immigration
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 02:58:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.173146.89769@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>, slb143c@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
> China, my friend!
> You can see how week the Australia government is! They can do nothing
> about the economy crisis. Chinese are much more wiser, once the Chinese
> government know what are the right thing to do (mean which is good for
> their country), they can do it well.
                                 ^^^^
Not really, but they are willing to make improvement whenever they need it and
they know they don't have to worry about failures because they don't have
anything to lose!

> 
> Any comment welcome.
> 
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: Victor Kuan                                                 <kuan@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: aiwan@ucbvax.berkeley.edu soc-culture-china@ucbvax.berkeley.eduPRE-MARITCAL SEX in CHINESE SOCIETIES
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:43:10 -0500

In article <9208111854.AA02904@moe.optics.rochester.edu> ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng) writes:
>Hello Everyone,
>
>Me and my friend have been talking about the fact that there is a serious
>trend in many chinese societies around the world:
>
>Pre-martical Sex is getting more & more common.
>
>Just wonering what people from Hong Kong, Mainland China as well as Taiwan
>think about this issue.  Both os us are pretty traditional and conservative.
>So, we are against people to engage sex before marriage.
>

	Interesting topics

>What I like you all to respond on are:
>1) What you think is the trend now in HK, CHina and Taiwan

	It becomes more and more common. More teens are
	sexially active... more people live together
	without getting married. The first time people
	go out, they have sex.....

>2) What can we do about it?
>

	Time is changing... and it would not roll back and
	it doesn't need to roll back... what we need is
	education - we need to be able to have responsbility
	and we need to take the consequence... Also, practise
	safe sex (considering the popular HIV virus/AIDS and
	other STDs, so that we won't inherite to our offsprings.

>PLEASE DO NOT WASTE TIME REPLYING AND ARGUE ABOUT WHETHER IT'S ACCEPTABLE
>OR NOT.  WE ALL HAVE FREEDOM OF CHOICE!  I am just interested to see
>what exactly is happening these days!!  So, NO FLAMES!!! PLEASE.
>
>Baldwin (ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)


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From: kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Immigration
Keywords: USA, Canada, Australia
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:44:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Aug19.194420.5302
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Aug14.212857.17618@ttinews.tti.com> yao@perform1.tti.com (Yuhan Yao) writes:
>
>Many people in Hong Kong and mainland China want to immigrate to other
>countries.  The overwhelming favorites are the States, Canada, and Australia
>(not necessarily in that order).
>
>How are these three countries compare to each other?
>I'm interested in comparisons on all aspects of life, like material living
>standard, education, career opportunities, health, and so on.
>
>It's sad that we have to leave our hometown, in search of a better life.
>Well, which country is better?  and for what reasons?
>
>
>Yuhan Yao

My opinions only:

	Pluses					Minuses
	------					-------

USA	You can always get what you want	Unsafe streets
	if you're hardworking enough.
						Inefficient health, legal
	Least racial prejudice			systems

	Wide array of lifestyle choices		Lack of cultural coherence,
						feeling of belonging.

						Ineffective government

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Canada, Less crime.				Near-socialism!!!
Aust.
	More coherent and widely agreed		Probably even more ineffective
	values					government.

						Somewhat more racial
						prejudice.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ppc1@cec1.wustl.edu (Peter Pui Tak Chiu)
Subject: HKCEE
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:43:00 GMT

I am sorry that I forgot to say which Wah Yan in my last posting...

Three students in WYCHK got 10 As in HKCEE this year and there are
two other students from other school who have 10 As also.

Pete
From: cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com (Douglas D. Cheung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re:  Premarital sex, daemon, law
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:46:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

Hey, man!

You were the one who called me a pendant and claimed what I had proposed was
"actually practiced by some culture at some time."  Why don't you answer the
question yourself, pendant?  Since you know so much about culture, sophomore.

I don't know a thing about culture.  I only know a joke or two when I see them.

Cheung

p.s.  All the previous post not included.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: chanwa@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Italy organizations?
Organization: University of Lowell
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 04:46:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.150706.609@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, wlau@austin.ibm.com (Wai Lau) writes:
> 
> I'm headed to Italy this winter for two years.  Does anyone know any
> organizations or students association over there for Asian students?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
Hey, I am heading to Munich, Germany, on Sept. 5 and then to Salzburg, Austria,
in late Sept. for a year.  Maybe we can get together "some where over there"?
What do you think?

Also, anyone who knows anything about Chinese (including PRC, TW, HK)
organization over there in Europe, please help.

Thank you for your attention!
:)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cyang@tacit.Eng.Sandy.Novell.COM (Cheng Yang)
Subject: Re:  True love.  Warning:  No engineers need apply
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:06:57 GMT

In article <5733@transfer.stratus.com> cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com (Douglas Cheung) writes:
>Following is my ten reasons on the bottom of a list of reasons to date an engineer.
>
>X-4.	Listens to classic rock only.  Hates everything from Bach to Prince.
>
	A lot of engineers like classical/romantic music..
	I listen to all kinds of music, from Bach to Madonna, except heavy
	metal rock...

>X-1.	Can't leave that damn pencil off his ear for a minute.
>
	I haven't used pencil for a long time...



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From: s6883289@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Peter Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Premarrital sex, daemon, and law
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:29:56 GMT

>     Guess what.  I am a Christian.  (though maybe now some people may think
>that I am not, according to whoever's definition.)
>
>Timothy Lam   (on a friend's account, still!)
>BTW, my opinion has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the owner of this account.

hmm, you can get your friend into trouble if his system administrator doesn't
like it...

>
>*****************************************************************
>If I keep from meddling with people, they take care of themselves,
>If I keep from commanding people, they behave themselves,
>If I keep from preaching at people, they improve themselves,
>If I keep from imposing on people, they become themselves.
>                                       - Lao-Tse
>******************************************************************

hehe, you're sure you're christian?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Looking for H.K.Baptist node
From: <LWLLG@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 14 Aug 1992 19:39:43 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Hello, folks....does anyone know how to connect to Hong Kong Baptist College
or have sent e-mail over there? If your answer is positive, I would like to
know how to get connection with it since one of my best friends is studying
in that college.

                Thanks in advance...
                                    matt :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cheung@tympani.unx.sas.com (Clement Cheung)
Subject: Airfares to HK
Originator: cheung@tympani.unx.sas.com
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:36:03 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


I browsed around ahkcus.org's ftp archive and couldn't find any file
that may have contained information on where to find the cheapest
airfares to HK. Can someone provide answer to this FAQ? BTW,
is the FAQ file archived anywhere acessible by FTP?

I called United, their lowest published price is ~ $1350 round trip
from Raleigh/Durham in North Carolina  to Chicago to San Francisco
to HK.


Thanks.

Clement Cheung
cheung@unx.sas.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: csassoc@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Chinese Students Assoc.  (Cyrus L. Kan))
Subject: Re: [SOUND] Top Ten of last week post to alt.binaries.sounds.misc
Keywords: sound
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:14:59 GMT

In <1992Aug10.040957.3868@ccu.umanitoba.ca> csassoc@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Chinese Students Assoc.  (Cyrus L. Kan)) writes:




The sound file of top ten list of the week ending Aug 8 was just 
posted to :

alt.binaries.sounds.misc     and
alt.test

Description:

	This is the top ten of the week endding Aug 8, 92

	snd/top.ten.snd:        audio data: 8-bit u-law, mono, 8012 Hz
	-rw-------  1 bin        993688 Aug  9 21:39 top.ten.snd

	Length: approx. 2 mins

	To play under SunOS, try: play top.ten.snd
	(play is a prog. that comes with the SunOS demo package)

NeXT users can simply play them on the Next with soundplayer

Regards.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: akwy@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Alan Kin Wah YIM)
Subject: New HK popstar picture postings
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:26:12 GMT

HONG KONG POPSTAR GIF COLLECTION SCHEME (HKPGCS)
================================================
NEW PICTURE POSTING
===================
WARNING: In order to protect the pictures and the
         contributors, all HKPGCS pictures are not allowed
         to be sold.
 
New pictures are posted to the following newsgroups:

alt.binaries.pictures
alt.binaries.pictures.misc

They will be available in ftp sites soon.

filename   : glam02.gif
description: A poster of George Lam's face and Monroe's body combination.
	     George Lam is a popular singer in Hong Kong.
category   : male Hong Kong popstar
image      : 428x662x256 Grey scale
filesize   : 205706 bytes

filename   : wyyuen04.gif
description: Half portrait of Yuen Wing-Yee. Former Miss HK.
category   : female Hong Kong actress
image      : 294x485x256 color
filesize   : 100954 bytes

Special thanks to Chi Yin Robert Chong for the above contributions.

Contributions are welcome. Please read README.DONORS in directory
/pub/hongkong/gif/popstars		of ftp site: nok.lcs.mit.edu OR
/pub/pics/gif/pics/tv+film/HKstar	of ftp site: nic.funet.fi
for contribution rules, how to uuencode and contribute pictures.
However, the easiest method is to uuencode the picture file and mail it to
Thomas Wong <twong@civil.ubc.ca>. Contributors must not upload the files to ftp 
sites themselves. All types of picture file format are welcome. We will convert
them to GIF format.

Thank you for supporting HKPGCS. Please keep HKPGCS alive.

Enjoy!
Alan of HKPGCS.
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From: ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: REPOST[***** NEED HELP: Events for C.S.A. ******]
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:35:28 GMT

Hello Everyone,

I was the President of the Chinese Students' Association last semester
at the University of Rochester.  This coming semester, I will help
the new President to organise some NEW and EXCITING events.  We really
want to see what kind of interesting activities other CSA's (both US & Canada)
have.

Thanks for your input (in advance),
Baldwin Ng
(ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)
From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re:  Premarrital sex, daemon, and law *&* PRE-M.Sex in Chinese Soc'ts
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:44:43 GMT


Okay, maybe my last posting in response to leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
was a bit too "personal".  Therefore, this posting will be the LAST 
ONE (on this matter) on the net.  Further responses...please mai
accountt (delete) mail to my email account, THANKS!

In <1992Aug21.192542.22356@dsg.tandem.com>, it was written:

*ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng) writes:
*>       I am against pre-marital sex, but at the same time, I respect the
*>       rights
*Well, "don't really have to argue with those" != blessing them "Good Luck,"
*which is what you said in your previous posg. (I'm cheating, and II
*won't bless a cheater.)

Okay!  I just don't think that saying "Good Luck" is blessing or
supporting people's action or anything like that.  Differeopll (delete)
Different [people have dio(delete) different interpretations on what
a person's words mean, so...NO NEED TO ARGUE/RESPOND on this point anymore.

*> Live your own life according to your own firm principles and they can
*
*> tell what's really good and what's bad for them.  I am not that radical.
*> This is America anyways!  We got the freedom to make our own choice.
*
*Glad to hear that. But aren't you the one who posted around to raise the
*question of "PMS" and asked "what can we do about it"? Didn't you want
*to do something about it? Do you still want to do something about it?
*BTW, what did you find out what you can do about it?

Yes, I hope to do something about it.  But what I found was that the only
way to turn things around (when almost everyone is talking about the
importance of freedom & choice) is to start from oneself and one's family.
Teach one's own kids about one's ideas on pre-marital sex.

*> If your friend decides to do something or live the kind of lifestyle which 
is
*> different from your own, CAN'T YOU STILL REGARDLESSLY OFFER HIM/HER A WORD*> OF ADVICE?
*> OF ADVICE?
*>
*Well, this is not a question of whether you can or cannot offer advice,
*(and nobody asks anyway), but a question of how sincere you are in saying
*that you are against "PMS." If somebody bless something he said he is
*against, can you believe that the guy is sincere when he said he is against
*that something?

Well, I personally think that QUESTIONING MY SINCERITY IS TOO RUDE AND
TOO INAPPROPRIATE to be done via a public newgroup!

Maybe, there are things that all of you don't agree with me, but I just don't
think it's worth the bandwidth to talk about something that is not
worth posting on soc.culture.hongkong & something that is not worth talking
about (e.g. a minor personal attack on myself!)

Let's find some other topic to talk about.  How about "Pre-1997 Life in HK" ?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Baldwin Ng (ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: albert@cs.uq.oz.au (Albert Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Chinese Chess For Windows
Summary: Chinese Chess for Windows
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:53:56 GMT
Reply-To: albert@cs.uq.oz.au

Hi guys,
 I saw my friend's posting looking for chinese chess
for MS-windows earlier. And all the reply mails reads
like this:

" If you get it, please send me a copy ! "

This is not really constructive, isn't it?
So I suppose that mean it does not exists one!

{B.T.W. it was originally my question, I just get him
to ask it because he was logged on at the time and I
was not}

Albert
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: dh199838@alfred.carleton.ca ( dh student 199838)
Subject: None
Summary: I'm working on a paper regarding the use of e-mail by Chinese
Orldsubject: e-mail chinese dissidents
Keywords: e-mail chinese dissidents
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:44:39 GMT
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: OH my... look what I found...
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:14:42 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Hi people,

	I just found something... oh my...

if you get a chance, try: telnet ustlib.ust.hk

(However, please don't abuse it).  Also, it is *very* slow, so please...
use it gently.  :)

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin

e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu

PS: how come nobody told me about HYTELNET before?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: [films/movies] "family" class of films
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:18:11 GMT
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              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <4375@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> rkwst+@pitt.edu (Raymond K. Wong) writes:
>
>Are we promoting censorship or simply promoting censored movies?  They
>are different.  
>
>I agree that Hong Kong should adopt the rating scales like in the U.S.
>(G, PG, PG-13, R, NC-17)  and enforce it, instead of "forcefully censoring"
>the movies (like cut out all the footage that is not "suitable" for family)
>or just say "this movie is not suitable for children."   I am kind of 
>surprised that the movies in Chinatown are not rated with U.S. standards and
>kids can go see movies that are definitely R rated without problems.....
>

HK has already been using a system called the tier system and not
just "not suitable for children"  However, I don't think US government
will enforce foreign movies particular theaters in China town
From: allen@shamu.micro.umn.edu (Hinkuok Kong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Thank you (Chinese stock market)
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:51:15 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis

Dear friends,

Thank you so much for all people who responded to my last posting.

Cheers,

Hinkuok Kong
From: leoso@cs.arizona.edu (Leo WaiChung So)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Performance Enhancing Drugs in Olympics
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:16:04 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <77548@ut-emx.uucp> onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (K2-2nd on Earth) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>
>I personally do not preclude the possibility that those Chinese female
>swimmers have used steriod.  I just don't understand that why mandatory
>testing is not enforced in swimming and some other events?

  Yes, I second any mandatory testing of performance enhancing drugs.
>
>You must remember Ben Johnson.  He was tested postive after he beat Carl 
>Lewis in 100m in 1988.  I kind of respect him though.  He was competing 
>again in Barcelona.  It really takes a lot of courage to do that. 

  But I strongly object the decison to allow Johnson back on the track.
  This can give a wrong message to other athletes that using drug is
  not a big deal at all: Even though you got caught once, you can still
  compete some time later.

  In my point of view, a lifetime ban of any competition for a drug user
  is more appropriate. At this time when the flesh capabilities of 
  atheletes has been pushed to their very limits, I can anticipate a
  bigger dependence on performance enhancing drugs in future games. If
  we don't have some harsher penalty, the games in future will become
  even much dirtier.

  -- 
  leoso@cs.arizona.edu 	"Look ahead, plan ahead, go ahead."
From: rtsng@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: DANNY CHAN
Date: 15 Aug 92 11:04:53 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

HOW IS DANNY CHAN NOW?
WHAT IS THE NAME OF HIS LATEST CD?


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