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From:         "(Rashmi)" <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Anne Rice
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> I am delighted to find out that I am not the only Rice-hater!!!
> Karen
> who is Alone No More (in her disinterest in Rice)

Count me in as another who's indifferent to Rice - don't understand her
appeal at all.
On a related note, I can add to Torkel's recommendation (some weeks back) of
Tim Powers' _The Stress of her Regard_.   It's a very entertaining and well
written vampire tale.  Enjoyed it a lot.

rashmi
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:54:11 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Camille Paglia
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:35:46 -0600, "Anne Burton Harwell" <harwell@TENET.EDU>
 wrote:
> The two everybody seems to quote are _Sexual Personae_ and _Sex, Art, and
> American Culture_.
>
> Haven't started reading the latter yet; don't have the former.

She was saying that the first one was written as a spoof and she was
amazed she got away with it...

G
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From:         Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik <amadeus@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Balkanization of Britain is complete..
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On Sat, 31 Oct 1992, BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU wrote:

>      Samhainophobia is Dr.Dossey's clinical term for "fear of Halloween,"
>named after Samhain, the god for whom Druid priests founded their
>end-of-summer festival of the dead more than 2,000 years ago.  WSJ, 10/30,
>p.A1

Sorry to be so behind on this thread, but I must take exception to this...

Samhain, as I mentioned before, is Irish Gaelic for "summer's end." The
word for summer in Irish is Samhradh.  Although this erroneous "fact"
appears in many sources, the Druid priests had *no* god called Samhain,
and indeed no so-called "lord of the dead."

Samhain is the name of a day; it is not and never has been the name of a
god.

And I hope everyone remembers how to pronounce it... :)

--Susan
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Subject:      Re: Christian bashing
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:12:00 CST  "Jim Thomas" wrote:

>They are about repression, not about religion. Religion enters in only

>Jim (I can do without RuthH's kind of love) Thomas

Thank you, Jim and Graham.

Betty
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: The View From New Jersey
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	She has women come in who test positive for AIDS and will die and take
	their babies with them.  It would be more merciful to take these
	babies up on the roof and throw them off, but you can't do that.
	That's almost as bad as discussing abortion or suggesting that the

If you mean that the children should be killed because the parents
are incompetant and will bring up copies of themselves as lower-class
common people, that's a view I'm willing to entertain as rational
though I may not agree with it; if you mean that they should be killed
now because they have AIDS and are going to die anyway, I must object
most strongly.  There's every chance that by the time those children
develop AIDS (maybe 5 or 10 years time, remember) there may be
a cure available.  *I* certainly wouldn't want to be 'spared my
misery' if I ever found myself in that situation.

G
PS I have no moral problem with post-natal abortion in certain
circumstances.  Not philosophically.  But I can't actually think
of any specific circumstances where I would encourage it.
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Date: 7 Nov 92 00:20:54 GMT

Straw boss.  Cane brake.  "walk the line" I always thought meant 'go 
straight'.

Straw boss is supervisor, canebrake is dense stands of sugarcane or 
bamboo.

Gotta go give thanks for recent good fortune, lest Upstairs Boss think
I'm ungrateful.  Btw, G, I've often voted Republican, and I'm not a 
Christian at all -- and I did *not* appreciate your uninformed bait
about Clinton getting most of his campaign money from jews: I do expect
higher standards from you, heaven alone knows why.

--bayla
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Posted on 10 Nov 1992 at 17:38:19 by (Jim Thomas)
>Jim (kennel's are just k-9 jails) Thomas
      ^^^^^^^^
You're not *from* Kirksville, are you Jim?  We were just talking last
night about how local plurals are formed w/ apostrophes.  (The example
give was "Egg's on sale"

Karen
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1992, James R Llewellyn wrote:

> I have been sitting at this deity-forsaken computer for at least two
> hours wading my way through literally thousands of messages on your

Aww, man, another newbie. Am I gonna have to be nice again so soon?

Welcome, James. How come there's a + in your address? Regarding the F
word: nobody here knows why Tushar likes to talk about it so much either.
And question 5). should have featured wackas around the word "penetrate."
That would have given it that sexual subtext you crave and we love. Oh,
and this is a LIST, not a board. Better to catch those things early on,
rather than risk being called down on them later.

This is a live one, folks! Fresh Meat!

-abh
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Date: 7 Nov 92 21:23:53 GMT
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In article <1dha2tINNct8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka) writes:

>Nice try Graham, but you've had your free spanking for the day.  The next
>one's going to cost you.  Insult my religious beliefs and my ability to
>reason on my own, and you get a response.  The above drivel isn't worthy
>of so much as an unsmiley.
>
Gosh, Ruth. You're going to start charging for handing out such favors?
Isn't there a name for women who do that? 

When you defend a group that practices bigotry, you insult a number of
us. When you are a proud advocate of that group, you can bet that you,
too, will get a response. If you are limited in your criticisms of other
groups to sectarian cant, that strikes me as at least minimal evidence
that you can't reason on your own. Comparing "gays" to a "sickness"
such as alcoholism, as you did in a previous post, hardly strikes me
as evidence of reason. Do you *really* believe gays are "sick?"
From: harwood@TENET.EDU (Nancy Harwood)
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Date: 6 Nov 92 02:34:38 GMT
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> >No Theresa, President Kennedy was assassinated on Nov. 22nd, 1963.
> >> >Carolyn
>
>  Well, I was only 2 at the time, and I just can't remember that date!
>  Theresa

I don't think those of us who *were* old enough to notice will ever
forget...I know I won't.
ndh (who cast her first vote for Kennedy)
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:06:14 -0800
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
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: Sadly, I cannot recall a thing you have said recently that I disagree with.

This is getting *very* depressing.  First Jim, now you.  How about I'm
simply abusive for a bit till we get back into our old ways, shithead?

G
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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In a previous article, ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (blomberg cepeda) says:

>Just yesterday I sent e-mail to one Brown wordsler about an FTF with another,
>saying "but I don't think I could take both of you at once (oh! what would
>Graham do with that!)", and then this morning...
>
>>: Note: I can take Ruth, I can take Graham
>>
>>*together*  Oh Blommie!  I never knew you cared!
>>
>>G
>
>Some people are just too damned predictable.

At least this time you didn't need to wear an asbestos suit to read it! :-)

>              b."maybe I should just go back to sleep" c.
>
Do you have cats or something?:-)  That's what my cat would say some mornings
after doing something particularly embarassing.  Would say, that is, if she
could talk; Fruitcake isn't intelligent like Max or Ruby....  Fruit is the one
who rolls off of beds and skids into walls.:-)

Go back to bed, Blomberg - tomorrow has got to be an improvement.
-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 16 Tons
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>   I was born one mornin' in the drizzlin' rain;
>   Fightin' and trouble are my middle name.
>   I was raised in the [cane break] by an old [mama ?ine]
>   'Twas a high-toned woman made me walk the line.
>
>Is cane break (if those are correct words) what's left after
>cutting sugar cane?
Brake: "rough or marshy land overgrown usu. with one kind of plant.

And that's an old mama lion...mountain lion, not African type!
He's making himself a mythic Romulus & Remus/Tarzan history...

>If so, this would imply that the miner was
>originally from a place where sugar is grown (Fla., La.?)
>and not Kentucky or W. Virginia.
I think so. But it might not be *sugar* cane.

>Again, was the high-toned woman
>the cause of his leaving home? When he "walked the line," does
>that mean he "walked up (or down) the railroad tracks?"
I think she "civilized" him. "Toe the line" would be the
meaning of "walk the line".

>One last question concerns the lines
>
>   Sixteen tons of number nine coal
>   And the [stawk] boss said, "Well bless my soul!"
Straw boss, I think.  That's an assistant to the foreman, usu.
in charge of a small group, sometimes just the "senior" person
in a group.

>output. I am probably way off on all this.
Well, what do we expect from a classics major? :-)

>Bill "St. Peter don't ya call me 'cause I can't go,
>      I owe my soul to the company sto'."
love, judith
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Keeping you guessing...
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And what exactly is Marilyn, the mystery woman, doing in Tokyo?  Other
than sending mail from Akio's office, that is.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
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A friend just asked me if I had a recipe for bubble gum...her son needs it
for his biology class.  I told her I would go and ask on this list where
people know *EVERYTHING*!  Can anyone help?
ndh
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:20:40 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
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On Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:51:56 EST, "blomberg cepeda" <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
 wrote:
>     Actually, if I ever did become a Christian, it would probably be into
>Orthodoxy. One of the traits of Russian culture which has always attracted me,
>and which Orthodoxy shares, is a great respect for chaos. Orthodox services
>are wonderfully disordered affairs, with people buying candles and looking for
>the icon of their saints, others confessing, others following the service, but
>the whole is a wonderful mishmash in a cavelike atmosphere, with icons taking
>up just about all the available space.

I went to a Hindu wedding when I was a kid (big sister of a classmate) - it
was just like that - kids running round wild around the central podium where
a protracted ceremony was going on, people chatting and eating all the time,
lots of fun being had by all.  I loved it - only religious event I've been
to that I enjoyed.

G
From: gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK (Graham Toal)
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	Fla had about 9 propositions, but none of them dealt with homosexuals
	as far as I could tell -- unles you count the one about<term limitation,
	or the <cap> on <property assessments>.

	--bayla

There was a list on soc.bi (that I didn't bother noting down) of the
four or five states attempting to create the same sort of legislation
next.  Fla was one of them.

Taking of which, I also noticed this post; is this a typical attitude
of Americans to people who live in trailer parks?  I thought it was
very unpleasant and about as biased as you can get.  Ironic since
I read it on soc.bi (it wasn't one of our posters btw; it was x-posted
from soc.motss):

] SURE. Pat "Himmler" Buchanon was allowed to spew his
] poison in front of the convention, the media, and the
] world with the full knowledge and collaboration of
] your scumbag candidate George Bush along with the
] rest of the party leadership, because they thought
] a little race-baiting would pick up some support
] from the white-trash/trailer park sector of the
] electorate.

G
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:21:18 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: HELLO!
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Just thought I should let you know that I'm jealous that Giggles responded
enthusiastically to abh's offer of a tickle to stimulate him but ignored
my suggestion that he hop in the Miata and cross the Smokeys.  I'm here,
Giggles -- just across the mountains from you.  The rain has finally
stopped, and it's beautiful (but cold).  Don't forget to bring "our"
paper when you come...
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:49:13 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
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On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:25:52 CST, samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU wrote:
> I am weak-minded enough not to see a great difference between these
> two. *Could* have rational explanation? *Cannot* have rational
> explanation? What? What?

Well, *some* proponents of dowsing water with twigs attempt scientific
explanations to do with magnetic flows and stuff (one I heard was that
a muscle in the back magnified a magnetic discontinuity between left
and right sides into a small muscle movement, which the carefully-held
twig amplified into a noticable movement).  Not a theory I agree with,
but one that's open to scientific reason.  Personally I'm still waiting
to see any positive results that need to be explained, never mind an
explanation.

Sitting at home with a map and dangling a copper pendulum over it, to
find where some body is buried, however, *only* admits of a paranormal
explanation, and countless time and time again all paranormal effects
have been shown to exist only in the eye of the beholder.

G
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> ain't no high-toned woman make me walk the line..."
>(no pretentious female will alter my behavior.)

Ah, of course! Always thought high-toned meant stylish,
fashionable, tony; Funk & Wag give that as the first meaning, second
is: "Characterized by a lofty character, high principles, etc.,
often used ironically." I wonder if Ford's hint of laughter
as he sang these words is because they describe a person quite
the opposite of the faithful family man that the likewise
deep-voiced Johnny Cash sang about "Because you're mine,
I walk the line."

Also, judith's suggestion that being raised /bine ol' mama line/
"by an old mountain lion" is evocative of Remus 'n Romulus and
Tarzan myths. Remus and his brother were nursed by a canine (also
Cyrus the Great of Persia), and Tarzan it is well known
by primates. Traditionally,
foster-mother felines are invoked by a woman accusing her lover
of hard heartedness, as Dido to Aeneas: "You were born on a rock,
and a Hyrcanean tiger gave you suck!" She was pretty pissed off
when she said that. The Sixteen Tons miner may have received a
similar earful. Bill
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>: Australians couldn't expect to see any changes in American
>: Foreign policy or in their 'free-market' policies.....that really put a
>: damper on things.
>
>Why?
>
>Steve Karlson

I don't know why the American Ambassador was of that opinion.... perhaps he
sees Bill Clinton as a 'paper-tiger'? The message that fellow delivered to the
Australian public was that America was going to continue to subsidise exports
to our traditional Asian markets and by so doing cut us out of the market-
place, since we are unable to subsidise our produce to the same extent.

A few years ago when PM Bob Hawke was over at the White House, your President
gave reassurances that your country's battle with the EEC would not be
carried over to the Asian marketplace and the US did not intend to compete
with Australia in its traditional markets. It didn't take long for that word
to be broken and when President Bush was out here, apart from the rude hand
gesture he made, he further upset our farmers by refusing to listen to their
pleas for consideration of their plight...... brought on by the US selling
wheat to Asian countrie  at far less than it cost to produce it - either here
or over there. So the US has been primarily responsible for our increasing
trade deficits and economical malaise.

Most Australians were hoping that with the change of government would come
a more considerate approach to smaller trading nations (we're not the only
ones that the US are bankrupting by this practice, but the American
Ambassador's message was that, if anything, subsidies would increase - not
the news Australia wanted to hear.

PM Paul Keating and his government appear to becoming increasingly anti-
American with every monthly trade balance figures, since they are being
blamed for the state of the economy and could lose government at the next
election (sometime before next May), if they are unable to pull something
off quickly to alter the current downward trend.

Carolyn
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> >Dear God, give me a kill file that works on listserv so I can block this
> >religious tirade!
> >-abh
> AMEN!
> Carolyn

God helps those who have the good sense to help themselves, so look
for it yourself annie baby....  it's there, you just have to find it.
--ggs (thinking this isn't a <debate> about what people should
  believe but a <debate> about whether people should be made to
  believe it)
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