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From: ahsiung@bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Michael Woo, L.A. mayoral candidate
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:55:01 GMT
Reply-To: ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <92238.094209U58402@uicvm.uic.edu> <U58402@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Last weekend I went to a fundraiser for Michael Woo, who is the first
>Chinese-American to run for mayor in Los Angeles. 
>
>Not being well versed in L.A. politics, I was wondering if anyone who
>is from that area could help me out.
>
>1. Is Bradley going to run again?

I haven't seen him announce a decision, so I don't know, but knowing
Bradley, he will run again.

>[...]

>4. Who else could make a run for mayor besides Bradley?

An LA County Supervisor, Gloria Molina, has announced her campaign.
She is Latino (as her name suggests) and she is quite active in the
arts around LA, the different cultural activities, music, that sort of
thing.  She was also highly visible after the Riots.  Maybe another
Councilman, Zev Yoroslavsky (or whatever his last name is) will be
running too.

This is actually a very good year.  It's about time we had serious
contenders against Bradley, who has become terribly corrupted.  (What
on earth kind of business did he have travelling to Japan three or
four times in the past couple of years??)  Also, it's unbelievable
that a Mayor and the Police Chief could be on non-speaking terms for a
year!  Even five-year-olds get over that within a day!

>Michael Woo came across as being quite personable and energetic.

Woo is from my high school (anyone out there alum of AHS?  ;^) ).  His
sister Elaine Woo is a reporter for the LA Times and she came to speak
to us once.  I have to check if my address is part of LA City so I can
vote!  ;^)

	-- Anita --

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: selena@octel.com (Selena Min-Tsing Wai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Call For New FAQ
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:22:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

In article <2A93F77E.16223@orion.oac.uci.edu> jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley) writes:
>
>Or, an interested ??F might claim she wants to see a particular
>movie (or concert or play or some other cultural event), but add
>"I don't have anyone to go with".
>
>Your action is your business.
>
>Which leads me to one question:
>  She hints (with all the subtlety of a flying brick) that she
>  wants to go and do something?
>  Then, the male asks.  And, invariably, the woman responds with
>  surprise as if she never thought of you asking her.  Now why 
>  does she do that?  
>

It's the mysterious rules of the old dating & mating game ;)  =>
She wants a date but doesn't have the nerve to come right out and
say it bluntly, so she hints (but with not much subtlety, otherwise 
it wouldn't register in the guy's brain and fly right over his head 
instead) ;) =)

Really, maybe she just wants to do something but doesn't necessarily 
have to be a real & serious date?  Kind of like testing the waters,
you know--  seeing if the guy would be interested in doing something.
If he asks, then that's a positive; if he isn't, then he's not interested,
or he's too dense to deal with. Either way, she doesn't expect him to ask,
so she's suprised when he does.  Compare it to a guy who acts completely
suprised when a girl accepts.  same thing isn't it?

btw, shouldn't this be in something like XXX.XXX.singles? =)

Selena



-- 

Selena Wai		|  "99% of a project takes up 90% of your time;
selena@octel.com	|   the last 1% takes up the other 90%" 
			|			-johne
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Asian/Asian American Conflicts
Keywords: Michael Jordan,  Leprosy
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:03:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.072030.10695@mumbo.apple.com>, tse@loonybin.apple.com (Gary Tse) writes:
> 
> [ . . . ]  the mother started translating the
> conversation to English for her son.  I switched to English, and the
> son joined our conversation.  The young man seemed rather keen on going
> to Berkeley, and he was particularly impressed with the Asian American
> program there.  I made polite noises, and the conversation soon ended
> when the food arrived.
> 
> The teenage son made quite an impression on me.  He seems to be a rather
> intelligent and earnest fellow.  From his interest in Asian American
> studies, I would guess that he is politically aware.  He doesn't seem
> to speak or understand Chinese, and it is almost certain that he does
> not read or write the language.  I don't know if he is aware of cultural
> things Chinese, but he eats his noodle soup with a fork, and that may be 
> a clue.
> 
> Like I said, the fellow made an impression.  He seems a perfect fit of
> my stereotypical (and almost certainly incorrect) mold of an Asian
> American activist.  If I were blind, I would not even guess that he
> has yellow skin and black hair.  He could just as well be Black, or 
> White, or Red.  
> 
> I couldn't help but think about that kid on my drive back to work though.
> And my initial reaction of disdain and dismissal turned to pity.  You
> see, that young man is emphatically non-Chinese.  He is American and
> absolutely nothing else.  Why does he care so about the Asian American
> cause?  There seems to be nothing Asian about him.  Is it because when
> others look at him, they see yellow skin and black hair?  It must be a
> difficult and sad life indeed to be defined by what others see in him.

     AA life really isn't as bleak as this.  Having been born and
raised in the States, I'm certainly American in all but name (literally)
and hair color.  However, my interest in Chinese culture stems from a
desire to better understand my Chinese friends.  Certainly, my personal
experiences overcoming (or failing to overcome) "American" stereotypes
based solely upon my appearance have been a significant factor, but
that drives my interest in *Asian-American* culture, not Asian or Chinese
culture.  Other AAs are the ones likely to understand my experiences
and empathize with me.  This has nothing to do with my interest in
Chinese language, customs, or any other cultural aspects.

							George


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Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc. | (510) 649-3700
2121 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA, 94704  | Never be the first to believe . . .
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: AA milk commercial (was Re: Surviving in a White Man's world)
Date: 29 Aug 1992 18:24:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University

In article <1992Aug25.084039.8739@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com (Kinder and Gentler Jim) writes:
>In article <BtIwnp.2n2@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:


[AA milk commercial stuff deleted.]

>>It's shown in Houston.  I like the commercial, too, even with the AF/CM
>>couple.
>
>Huh?  What AF/WM couple??  The "correct" version I've seen in the GREAT STATE
>OF CALIFORNIA has an AAF/AAM couple.  Heck, that's why I like it so much.  :-)
>
>I guess you East Texans get the "corrupted" version.  :-) :-)
>
>Maybe there is something to tailoring commercials according to market
>demographics.

Of course there is.  You can drive around most places in the U.S. (except
Vermont) and tell the composition of the neighborhood by looking at the
billboards.  For example, in many Hispanic neighborhoods, the billboards
are in Spanish.

This is not only true for race, but other things as well.  For example, when
I was in CA for the first time six years ago, I was surprised that someone
would appear in a commercial playing *volleyball*.  Back then, you'd never
find a commercial here.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,ca.politics
From: rjchou@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Ri Jen Chou)
Subject: Re: Asian Cop Murders White Woman in Asian Chancellor's Home
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:19:55 GMT

Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:

>Asian Cop Murders White Woman in Asian Chancellor's Home

>Craig Chew, an Asian Male Heterosexual policeman shot Laura Marie
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Miller, also known as Rosebud Abigail Denovo, in the home of the
>the Asian Male Chancellor of UC Berkeley, which had seized People's
>Park. Denovo, a white woman, sexual preference unknown, carried a
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    
>machete, presumably to persuade the Chancellor to change University
>policy. Asian Americans compose over one-third of the student body
>at Berkeley, and are generally politically conservative and hostile to
>progressive causes.

Sheeeesh, Arthur, WHY is someone's sexual orientation SO IMPORTANT TO
YOU? 

><back to reality>

>Sounds pretty absurd? Is this any different than how the Rodney King
>case was handled? Heck, a band of merry protesters trashed cars and
>bulletin boards and windows to protest the death of this looney case
>as a martyr, and I'm demanding to know why they're not calling this
>a case of racism and sexism.


Your English writing ability is very poor, as poor as your understanding
of statistal methods.  Your training as an engineer at MIT is no excuse
for your failure to communicate clearly.   I'd suggest you acquire
better writing skills, a better understanding of statistics, and a
better understanding of sexual orientations.  Perhaps then people
*might* just take you more seriously.
-- 
Ri-Jen Chou   		rjchou@decimator.sps.mot.com
Motorola Austin / Eclectic Environs
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Subject: Re: Asian/Asian American Conflicts
Keywords: Michael Jordan,  Leprosy
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:50:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.052647.14367@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <17k9voINN345@network.ucsd.edu> hirota@sluggo.sdsc.edu
>(Bryan Hirota) writes:
>>I suspect that had my family not been interned during
>>World War II, I probably would feel more interest in
>>Japan, but maybe not.  My father's side of the family
>>was not interned (he's from Hawaii).  They're not
>>very Japanese either.
>>Maybe it's a difference in Chinese/Japanese thinking?
>Yes.  Most definitely.

	Nope.  Most definitely.  Check the research.  Generational in nature.

-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
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From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Asian Cop Murders White Woman in Asian Chancellor's Home
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:03:00 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <1992Sep4.154920.5543@ultra.com> wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway) writes:
>In discussing Peoples' Park, kawakami@ocf.berkeley.edu (John Kawakami)
>says:
>
> > The homeless would, for the most part, like to see the government
> > do something about the problem of homelessness and get themselves a
> > home.
>
>I've never seen a more succinct statement of "what's wrong with the
>country today" than this.

Oh really?  You'd think he wrote "...see the government do something about
the problem of homelessness and /give/ them a home." I think that we can
be a bit more imaginative than that--only strict libertarians want to see
government entirely out of the social welfare business, and only lunatic
fringe liberals think government should give away homes.  The rest of us
want to reform our social welfare system it in various ways, since few
people--liberal or conservative--would say it works very well in its
present form.

Perhaps you should try asking a few homeless people just what they want to
see done "about the problem of homelessness" so they can "get themselves a
home." You might be surprised that issues like jobs, job training, health
care, education, and so on will head their list.  Just what government can
do about these things is certainly controversial, but I suspect that a lot
of people expect it to take a leadership role, even if it is just to get
out of the way of private efforts.

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:13:47 GMT

In article <78807@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.133623.3835@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>>  Nope, because you need to go study more about race relations in
>>  this country and not just the microcosm of your particular experiences.
>I'm reminded of the Groucho Marx line....
>  "Who are you going to trust, me or your own eyes?"

	This is of course one of the fallacies of the academician, overgenera-
lizing their experiences.  My own experience (and those of many others) all
are a lot more like Clare's...

>>  I see your scheme of things.  You're going to join the dominant
>>  class and then in the kindness of your heart, open it up to
>>  other less fortunate classes.  Well bless your dear little heart, Joe.
>Huh???  I don't get your point.  If one happens to find oneself in the
>"power elite," one can try to open up the structure, or one can use
>the power to keep oppressing other people.  

	This is assuming, of course, that one can claw their way into
the elite. Not as easy as it sounds. Nor is it easy to stay there.

	Clare's point, of course, is that it is not all that easy to change
from within; there has to be pressure from within AND without for the
elite to change.  You don't get into the elite without buying into
the rules of the game.

>>  Joe, you joined not from a
>>  position of strength where you can go and make such demands,
>>  but a position of weakness where you begged your way in. 
>I didn't beg anything.  All I said was, this is who I am, and this is
>what I believe, you letting me in, because I'll still be standing here
>if you don't.  The answer was "yeah sure, why not?"

	Hmmm......they don't even let in white boys like that....



-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Fester, the know-it-all (was Re: Caucasians don't understand)
Date: 28 Aug 1992 20:22:54 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Distribution: na
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

In article <1992Aug28.150442.1193@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>>
>>The Korean community in Japan is a legacy of Japanese imperialism 
>>and actually newer than the Asian American, let alone the African 
>>American community ! According to the _Keihokyoku Report_ (Naimusho, 
>>1945), the Korean population in Japan was : 
>
>Koreans have been moving into Japan for millenia, and there is very good 
>evidence that the Imperial court is of Korean descent.

How then do you explain the statistics I quoted ? Compared to 700,000 
now or the 2.4 million by 1945, the 790 in 1909 represents either
0.03% or 0.1% ! I actually have the figures year by year, but I
think I've made my point. Does Mike Fester have a different 
classification of Koreans from the Japanese government or the
Korean Japanese associations ?

You're either being disingeneous or stupid to relate the current 
Korean Japanese community resulting from the mass migration of 
workers in this century to the scattered influx of monks, scholars, 
and craftsmen in previous centuries. Those numbers were tiny
(and nonexistent throughout the Tokugawa period when Korea was
closed to all outsiders and Japan restricted commerce to only Dutch 
and Chinese traders at the single port of Deshima), they were highly
respected (particularly the monks during the Heian period), and
their descendants are so assimilated that they're less Korean than 
Prince Charles is German. 

>>p.s., Mike, don't humor us with historical anecdotes about the 
>>rumored Korean ancestry of the Japanese imperial line 1500 years 
>>ago, or Hideyoshi's importation of Korean potters and scholars 
>>500 years ago :-).
>
>Right, they don't count.

I anticipated that you would bring up the stuff about the Japanese
imperial court to buttress your weak point, and you've proven me
out.  You must know that this historical controversy, which was
discussed at length on s.c.korea, erupted with the discovery of
in the early 1970's of Korean artifacts in a 6th century imperial 
tomb. How anyone would even try to link that archaelogical 
discovery with the current Korean Japanese community is beyond me.

Be a man, Mike, and admit that you're wrong on this one. 
It won't hurt.

Joe
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 20:46:12 GMT

In article <23556@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeonly clueless old white boy) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.165049.7810@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>>In article <23541@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, irritated old clueless white boy) writes:
>
>
>Clare, were you born in the upper middle class?  It may sound
>rude, but I recognize a whole set of behaviors and denials 
>here that have nothing to do with race, and that are
>most startlingly familiar.

 Ha, ha, try and pin that one on me.  Go to Wilmington/Carson
 California and take a look around you.  Take a sniff.
 We're surrounded by oil refineries and a sewage treatment
 plant.  My father died of lung cancer from living there.
 Tell me if that's upper middle class.  Wilmington also has
 whole stretches of junkyards on its border with Long Beach.
 I invite you to go poke around them before you accuse me
 of being upper middle class.  It's only slightly better
 than where I live in the Southern part of the Bronx right
 now.  From what you say, you live in a way better neighborhood
 than I do.  Morristown/Summit seems more upper middle class
 than the South Bronx.
From: tse@loonybin.apple.com (Gary Tse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian/Asian American Conflicts
Date: 3 Sep 92 05:36:58 GMT
Organization: Raoul Duke School of Pharmacology and Journalism

In article <1992Sep1.153221.12938@u.washington.edu> gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.072030.10695@mumbo.apple.com> tse@loonybin.apple.com (Gary Tse) writes:
>>I couldn't help but think about that kid on my drive back to work though.
>>And my initial reaction of disdain and dismissal turned to pity.  You
>>see, that young man is emphatically non-Chinese.
>> He is American and
>>absolutely nothing else.  Why does he care so about the Asian American
>>cause?
>
>	Because he is Asian American.

Gee, I must admit I am a bit fuzzy on this Asian American bit.  Just
what exactly makes one an Asian American?

Is it genetics?  But surely that can't be.  Since Asian != Asian American, 
and in some cases even Asian + American != Asian American.  So genes must 
be a necessary but insufficient condition.

Is it some sort of shared Asian cultural heritage?  But I thought I 
expressed doubt if the young man in question partook at all of anything
culturally Asian.  gwangung is so sure pronouncing that man an Asian
American that culture can't have anything to do with it.  

From reading soc.culture.asian.american, I gather some degree of 
victimization and alienation is required.  Is there anything else?

How sad it must be to be defined by the skewed perception of racists.

>	[Don't mind me....I got out the wrong side of the bed and am all
>grumpy this morning....]

Oh not at all.  And why be grumpy?  We live in the best of all worlds.

-- 
Gary Tse, tse@Apple.COM		"The fascination of what's difficult",
(408) 862-5452  		    The wish to do what one's not done before,
				Is the proper card to show at Heaven's door.
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From: jou@cps.msu.edu.cps.msu.edu (Tyan-Shu Jou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Position Available in Feng Chia Univ.
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:38:36 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: jou@dingo.cps.msu.edu

I am posting the following message under a request. Sorry if
this should not exist in this net group.

             ***************************************
              Position Available in Feng Chia Univ.
             ***************************************

 Professor or Associate Professor, Dept. of Land Management,
 Feng Chia University, Taichung, Taiwan.
 Assist conduct a newly established GIS research center,
 equipped with several popular GIS/RS software packages such as Arc/Info,
 Genamap, Erdas, Grass, and C-Map etc., on PCs and Workstations.
 Teach courses at undergraduate and graduate level,
 research dealing with GIS and Remote Sensing applications on land
 and/or resources management.
 Prefer Ph.D. complete soon or received in last five years,
 has experience in GIS/RS research and papers submitted in related fields.

 Information can be obtained from:
                         Dr. Tien-Yin Chou
                         Address: Dept. of Land Management
                                  Feng Chia University
                                  Taichung, Taiwan, R.O.C.
                         Phone: (886-4)252-2250 ext. 4635
                         Fax: (886-4)252-5607
                         E-mail: FCUT011@TWNMOE10.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 20:36:58 GMT

In article <l9nevpINNi4l@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>
melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Calling Dr. Nordstrom ...) writes:
>
>	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
>	> Afterwards, depending on how cold my room is, I'll grab one or two
>	> flags of China and ignite them to help start a fire in my fire place.
>
>But but but why do you **have** Chinese flags in the first
>place, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????

Ms. Nordstrom, it was meant to be a figurative verbal demonstration of
my feelings toward Chinese society.  In other words, I don't like it.

(You're a live one, aren't you?)

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