HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Tim.Buck@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Tim Buck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: pbmplus
Keywords: help, pbmplus, compiling
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:41:40 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

If you've successfully compiled the pbmplus utilities on a NeXT, please
contact me.  I got them to compile, but I get a bus error/core dump every
time I try to use any of them.  I imagine I used a wrong option in the
Makefile and/or pbmplus.h.

Timothy Buck			[]	Recognition Research, Inc.
   rri!tim@vtserf.cc.vt.edu	[]	Corp. Research Center, Virginia Tech
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From: rempe@iridium.tucson.az.us (Glenn Rempe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: FOR SALE:    WHO'S CALLING?
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:25:00 GMT
Reply-To: rempe@iridium.tucson.az.us
Distribution: world,local

Hi all!

I have one copy of the excellent client management and scheduling program  
"Who's Calling?", by the innovative folks at Adamation, to sell.  It is a  
brand new, unused copy still sealed in it's original box with manual included  
and two 1.44MB floppies.  I will sell it to the person with the highest bid  
that I receive by this Friday April 17, 1992.  Bidding starts at $200.  This  
is an excellent deal!  The list price is $495 and NeXTConnection sells it for  
$395.

A $275 offer takes it with no more waiting for other bids.

Reply to me immediately at:

rempe@iridium.tucson.az.us

Thanks,

Glenn

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From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: sccs for the NeXT?
Summary: Try cvs (Concurrent Version System) available at NeXT archives.
Keywords: sccs, rcs, cvs
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:49:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.33113
Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting


In article <skoveINN7o0@agate.berkeley.edu> sandell@chowning.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory J. Sandell) writes:
>
>Is "sccs" (source code control system) not implemented on the NeXT?
>I was surprised to discover this since I thought that sccs was a
>standard component of any Unix system.  
>
An old version of rcs is included.  Although I am not very familiar with sccs,
cvs is available from the NeXT archives.  It seems to be superior to either rcs
or sccs in that more than one user can check out a file concurrently.  Merging
occurs on check-in.

cvs includes a newer version of rcs and diff (both of which cvs uses).  The
nice thing is that binary diffs are supported so things like NIB files can be
placed under version control.

Now all that's needed is a nice NeXTSTEP (is this the latest official
capitalization :-) interface.
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From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher)
Subject: Next Dimension Video -- help wanted
Keywords: Next Dimension, VCR
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:55:33 GMT

I recently hooked up a VCR (actually an 8mm CamCoder) to a ND to tape
a Mathematica animation from the screen. This turned out to be very easy
using ScreenScape. The quality of the video was okay, but I had a couple
of questions that I was hoping I could get help on to improve the quality.

1) The main problem with the video was a low-key jitter. The jumping wasn't
bad but was noticable. Anyway I can eliminate or redued this?

2) Any tricks to reduce the "moire pattern" effects? (I know, don't wear
a cheap suit, right;-)

Thanks in advance,

Charlie

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From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Future of NewsGrazer?
Reply-To: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:45:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.152430.9933@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
(Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> I sent a quick email note to Jayson Adams asking about
> future updates and bug fixes to NewsGrazer, either
> without charge, or, as I suggested, for a small (~$25)
> charge.  I suggested the small charge to cover his further
> development time, since Steve wouldn't be footing the
> bill anymore ;-)
> 
> Unfortunately, Jayson replied that NeXT did not release
> the rights to NewsGrazer to him when he left. 
> Furthermore, he isn't sure that any future work will be
> done on the App.
> 
> Can anyone add to this story?  I'd sure like to see some bugs
> fixed, and some new functionality added to this neat App. 

I believe that NewsGrazer will be 'frozen' at the current level, although you  
can bug_next if there are significant bugs.  That leaves the market open for  
commercial products like Jayson's "NewsExplorer."  Sort of like with BackSpace.   
NeXT is trying to avoid competing with it's developers, after all.

-  Ernie P.
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From: jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca (Joseph Chin)
Subject: Tab problems in NG - FAQ?
Reply-To: jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca
Organization: The Wordcraft Group - Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:52:15 GMT

What do tabs get screwed up in NewsGrazer? Is this a bug? Is there a way  
around it (other than using another news reader)?

In my last post (on modems), I had some tables with column entries  
separated by tabs and they looked okay in the post window. But as soon as  
they got posted, All the column entries ended up on separate lines ... ie.
   a | b | c
became
   a
|
   b
|
   c

Arrrgh!

Joe

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From: vasu@beancounter.ubc.ca (Vasu Krishnamurthy)
Subject: Problem with Emacs-2.1
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:27:16 GMT

I installed all the files in the Emacs-2.1 package in the appropriate  
places.  But when I run it, I get the following error message in the  
status line:

        Unknown host "<hostname>"

As a result, I can't use the mouse.  What is going on?  I would appreciate  
email responses.

Thanks in advance.

Vasu Krishnamurthy
Faculty of Commerce
UBC
From: Tim.Buck@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Tim Buck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXT CD-ROM drive, a black BSR?
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:34:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Apr8.000634.29746@umbc3.umbc.edu> roy@math13.math.umbc.edu (Roy Edwards) writes:
>This sounds crazy! I just got the latest issue of the DAK catalog and on
>page 8 there's a BSR CD-ROM drive that looks identical to the NeXT
>CD-ROM drive. (except the BSR is white) Could it be? We've go a BSR
>CD-ROM drive! 
>Roy

Well, knowing that the BSR is a Sony in disguise, and the NeXT CD-ROM drive
is manufactured by Sony, it's safe to assume that the drives are identical
except for the color (and of course the fact that NeXTstep 3.0 comes free
with the NeXT drive).  Does anyone know any better?

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From: tgingric@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Tyler S Gingrich)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on upgrading from 030 to 040 to color
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:14:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.212606.5340@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> cl50@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Chengi  Lin) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.004547.8978@leland.Stanford.EDU> m@crito.Stanford.EDU (M Carling) writes:
>>
>>The Turbo cube board started shipping nearly two weeks ago.
>>
>How much does it cost?
>
An even more fundamental question is "What is the part number??".

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From: jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca (Joseph Chin)
Subject: Re: NeXT sales 1991--> Help
Reply-To: jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca
Organization: The Wordcraft Group - Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:38:19 GMT

In article <29E9FA96.56C5@deneva.sdd.trw.com> thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark  
Thomsen) writes:
> ...
> Now we all know that a NeXT computer costs more than $4000 except for  
> the smallest machine for registered developers. However there were
> ...
I was told a while ago that volume purchasers (i.e. gov't and big  
corporate orders) get very big discounts, often negotiable. Therefore,  
they probably pay much less than retail ... may even be close to academic  
discount. Those big volume purchases probably accounted for most of the  
NeXT machines sold during during the last year. After all, didn't Steve  
Job mentioned in the keynote speech that 80% of the sales are now outside  
of the academic market?

Joe

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: NeXT TeX and Postscript (was Re: Neuron (really networking NeXT vs. Mac))
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:57:54 GMT

In article <122162@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> sowa@amdew.llnl.gov writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.061938.11118@utstat.uucp>, philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>>I indicated using Postscript fonts with NeXT TeX is not as easy as
>>using them with Textures. 
>
>It's as easy as snarfing Rokicki's upgrades to dvips and texview from
>labrea.stanford.edu and installing them. They even use the New Font
>Selection Scheme. I don't know beans about Textures, but I do know that
>I like free upgrades by ftp. I hope the newer versions are incorporated
>into NS 3.0.

Of course free upgrades via ftp are nice. What if you don't have ftp
access? Moreover in order to use fonts on a Mac it is a straiforward
procedure. Using them with NeXT TeX doesn't seem to be. Nor does printing
if you aren't using a NeXT laser printer at 400 dots/in. There are just
a lot of little things which make the Next harder to use. That doesn't make
it worse. It's simply harder for most people. And it's "most people" who
will determine the future. As I indicated before, I believe Next is making
a mistake in going after Sun and it's even worse with this "mission
critical" thing. Next should be going after the high end micro users. There
are so many more of them and more could be accomplished for the whole
community. I suspect Next will regret the day it decided to give up on
being unique, possibly giving up on the ND( which allienated many people
including myself), the OD, etc...If I want mips, mlops,etc...I don't go
to Next. One goes to HP, IBM, DEC,etc...

While we are on the TeX issue, why not try Textures. It has continuous
previewing( see what you get when you enter your code). This is something
not available on the NeXT. It's almost a WYSIWYG TeX. It's great.

Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: janus@magnusson.uucp (Janus International Inc.)
Subject: Re: Mail bug
Organization: Salt Lake City NeXT Users Group
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:11:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.052604.25060@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
sorcerer@leland.stanford.edu (Erik Peterson) writes:
> I am using NeXT mail release 2.0 (v62) and I keep coming across a serious  
bug.
> 
> About 20% of the time when I send a message in non-Next mail mode it  
arrives in  
> NeXT mode.
> 
> This wouldn't be any problem if I didn't have to communicate with the  
non-NeXT  
> world but I do....
> 
> Any ideas on this?
> 
> (P.S. I know of other users who have found the same problem, but no  
solution  
> yet!)
> 
> Thanks
> Erik Peterson
> sorcerer@leland.stanford.edu

The sysadmin from my polling site complained to me about the same problem,  
and a friend of mine polling that site posts NeXT-style all the time on  
accident.

Don't put any non-ASCII chars in messages to non-NeXT machines. If you do the  
message will look non-NeXT but will go out with uuencoded stuff. Watrch the  
big triangle on the Deliver icon; that'll keep you informed.

Kris Magnusson
Pres, SLNUG
801/355-6351
kris@neb.uucp
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Subject: Re: NeXTStep 486 should cost $250
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:28:34 GMT


>> > over $5,000.  I'm of the impression that the price we've
>> > set is   extremely cheap for what you get. 
>>
>> While philosophically true, the above doesn't count for beans
>> toward the success of NeXTstep 486 if customers refuse to pay
>> the $995 asking price.

Quite true.  I sent this to the NeXT poster (that does not speak for
NeXT):

I agree with the poster that $250 would be an optimal price, based on
total sales.  In other words the number sold times the price per each
would have a peak around $250.  However, I also suspect that you're
right--that the royalties amount to more than that.  The solution is 
to get the parties to whom royalties are due to reduce their royalties 
on the same logic: that they'll get more money that way.

Mark Adler
madler@tybalt.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: samurai@uriel.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy Brockbank)
Subject: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:25:25 GMT



1 week ago, Adobe posted about the Adobe Illustrator 3.0.1 release.

So I sent in my e-mail, and they confirmed 4 HOURS after I sent it.
And, they apologized for taking so long, of all things!!!

I was pretty impressed that they could move so fast.

So, today I get the package from Adobe with AI 3.0.1, AND the
3 free font families. 

For no charge. After 1 week of telling them that I wanted it.

All I can say is, WOW! Great, amazing job, Adobe-people.

- darcy

(feeling special and loved :-)

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Cool .dir.tiff/.opendir.tiff (small RTF)
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:52:01 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Apr14.095315.13156@gagetalker.com>
scotty@gagetalker.com (Scott Turner) writes:

>Frankly I see this RTF group as a mistake. When SEF doesn't have any
>actual RTF postings to bounce he'll move on to bouncing the re-director
>postings telling people about postings in the RTF groups.

Not a safe bet, but such predictions aren't useful.

>csn needed spliting up for reasons other
>than to give RTF postings a SEF-free zone. 
[...]>
>Will
>SEF decide the best way to continue his campaign will be [...]
>this whole
>thing is bull shit.

Isn't it, though?

Sean Fagan seems to have captured your entire attention,
Scott, since three of your four paragraphs are reactions to
this one single phenomenon.  I don't think it's so much a
matter of bullshit as it is of giving greater priority to
useful work -- even useful disagreement.

The business of water is to flow; it goes around the rocks
in the streambed.  It does so easily, automatically, without
effort worth noting.  We should probably be doing likewise.

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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXTStep 486 should cost $250
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:32:44 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Apr6.192248.15847@glv.uucp> jcelam@oops (James Clifton  
(Cliff) Elam) writes:
> 3> The developer version cost is irrelevant - people were developing  
for
>    windows when the SDK cost 2K+.
> 

Far fewer developers were developing for Windows back when the SDK
was that expensive and was the only choice. One reason Windows
development has really taken off is that you can now buy Borland
C++ for about $350 or so (and owners of Turbo C++ were able to
upgrade to Borland C++ for $100).  Now, both Borland and 
Microsoft have Windows compilers that allow you to write Windows
software and which cost about $100.

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From: riddle@is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Identifying a NeXT inside a shell script without arch(1)
Date: 16 Apr 1992 21:55:10 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Information, William's Marsh

Silly question time:

Given the lack of an arch(1) command on the NeXT, is there a
recommended method for a shell script to recognize that it is running
on a NeXT?

Please reply by mail and I will summarize if there is interest.
Thanks.

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From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: OSF/1 for NeXT
Reply-To: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 04:56:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.041911.17628@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
overlord@amy9.stanford.edu (Marcos Polanco) writes:
> 
> 
> Is there any reason why NeXT should not replace BSD4.3 with OSF/1?

Is there a functional version?  I think HP is shipping, but even they have some  
problems.

> OSF One is based on Mach, so the move would not be tremendously difficult.
> 
> It would also make NeXT a bit more friendly with DEC, HP, IBM, etc., etc.

NeXT (and probably OSF) should eventually move to the GNU hurd (GNU's Not  
Unix), which will be BSD 4.4 and POSIX, and be freely distributable (no AT&T  
code)..  It is based on Mach 3.0, which allows even more nifty stuff (OSF is on  
2.5, and NeXT is 2.0 w/some extensions).  It should be in beta by the end of  
the year, and certainly ready by the time NeXT does 4.0.

OSF/1 does not offer any signficant advantages that I am aware of [anyone  
else?], although NeXT has shared technology with them.  The GNU hurd will.

NeXT's strength (and weakness, to be honest) is that they are reluctant to be  
'compatible' just to be 'compatible' - they have to see some clear benefit to  
them and their users.  I don't think OSF/1 is widespread enough to qualify.

- Ernie P.
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From: greenidd@CS.ColoState.EDU (danielle greenidge)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: SCSI Tape Drive (1/4")
Keywords: SCSI, quarter-inch, tape
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:03:00 GMT
Organization: Organization?  Why start now?

Just a note to all interested SCSI users:

I'm doing a little recon for my company regarding potential market interest
in an affordable (~$2000) 4 Gigabyte quarter-inch SCSI tape drive.  If this
sounds like a viable alternative to your current (or near-future) tape
solutions, drop me a little e-mail note with your machine type(s) and phone
number (optional).

Thanx,

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From: kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXT sales 1991--> Help
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:22:32 GMT
Reply-To: kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <29E9FA96.56C5@deneva.sdd.trw.com> thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) writes:
>Steven D. Borrelli writes
>> So far my estimates are as follows:
>> Sales (1991) $127 million
>> Units shipped in 1991 (estimate)   32,000-56,000.
>
>I calculate that the units was a bit lower ...
>
>$127,000,000 divided by 32,000 machines give approximately $4000 per machine.
>
>$127,000,000 divided by 56,000 machines give approximately $2250 per machine.
>
>Now we all know that a NeXT computer costs more than $4000 except for the  

But what you are missing is that NeXT sells machines through resellers
that mark them up.  NeXT sells to VAR snd universities cheap.  Only the
the regular retail market pays $5000 but only a protion of that goes to
next.  I believe that they sold 45-50K machines.

*** stuff deleted ***
>
>P.S. Anyone ready to flame me for predicting that NeXT would catch Sun in sales  
>in another year? :) :) :)

I won't flame you. I think in the next couple of years NeXT will be
giving Sun a serious competition for sales.

Sun thinks so also.  Why would a 3 billion dollar company be worried
about a 200 million dollar company if they didn't see dark clouds
in the future.

Sun is nervous and should be.
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From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Putting NG in Examples (was: Future of NewsGrazer?
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:38:38 GMT

Glenn Reid writes
> Maybe they'll put the source code to NewsGrazer in /NextDeveloper/Demos
> like they did with BackSpace?  

I asked about this and was told it would not be possible.


What ever happened with the NG-on-Steroids that Jayson was supposedly  
working on?


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