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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Dread of Scotty Episode
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:45:22 GMT

semi-spoilers for people who know nothing about "relics":


In article <1992Oct7.214128.857@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu> jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu (Jim Feldhouse) writes:
>Just a little preliminary survey.
>How many here get the feeling that this
>episode where Scotty returns is not going
>to be to good?

we shouldn't really make judgements based on 30 (?) seconds of
preview... *but*      :)

1. with Scotty there the episode will be based on ST pseudoscience... and
you know how accurate that is.

2. it might be retconned away at a later date: it is said that he was
trapped for "75 years".  Now, most timelines would put that as anywhere
from immediately after ST6 to 5 years later.  Would Paramount really
stick to continuity and leave Captain Scott out of the next few movies,
because he's trapped in limbo?  If he isn't allowed to appear in ST7 or
8, because he's been scrambled, all his fans will be angered.  If he's
there anyway, after the date he disappeared, people who value continuity
will be angered.  Personally, I fall under both categories, so I'm
really going to be pissed at the next movie unless they say it's
immediately after TUC... why couldn't Paramount simply have said he was
trapped for *sixty-five* years?  Much simpler, and Doohan would be able
to appear in at least 3-4 more movies.

On the other hand...

1. Scotty is the most interesting character of the old series.  (hey,
that'll stir up a flamewar! :).  It'll be great to see him again.  The
Spock episode was boring because Spock's character has been beaten into
the ground in countless novels.  Scotty is underused and still
relaitively "fresh".

2. we get to see 2290-era ships and uniforms! from when men were real
men, women were real women, and starships were sleek and beautiful!

So really, it could go either way.

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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Realm of Fear"
Keywords: TNG, Barclay, transporters
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:15:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Oct09.031536.18966
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <rawdon.718375969@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
> In <1992Oct06.043524.29581@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct5.163754.1363@ncsu.edu>, rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:
> >> Forgive me for my ignorance, but, who is Timothy Lynch?
> >   I think he's related to David Lynch.
> 
> >   Seriously though, he's one of those r.a.s.c. gods who post a
> >review each week on the episodes.   First B.A. in astronomy at
> >Cornell, one of many physics grads at CalTech, as the old
> >signature says.   My guess is that he's probably atop the heap
> >of reviewers in that if you asked most people who is the
> >person most closely associated with this group, they would point
> >to Lynch.   Or perhaps Atsushi.
> 
> Gee, how quickly they forget. :-)
> 

   Hey, I didn't forget.  You just weren't posting for a while.
Maybe we should followup on who Michael Rawdon is :).

   Lessee, all I recall about you is that you were at Tulane, and
now you're at Wisconsin, and a CS major.  When I first read
this group (and now it's terribly sporadic) you and Tim seemed
to be the one at odds.   There was one other person who
I can't recall that was out of Cornell (not Schappe) who
used to respond to the reviews but not post a review himself.

   I have no idea how you and Tim were able to spend time
in this group and in alt.sex and have free time  Those two groups
have to have the heaviest posting volume.

   Oh yes, it was "nn", right?  Let's you skip through lots
of articles.

   Anyway, I'm straying from my usual newsgroups, so I'll head
back.  

--
Charles Lin
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From: william@cs.arizona.edu (William (Dragon) Hertling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Man of the People Question
Date: 10 Oct 92 07:42:48 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Oct10.012446.1825@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>Hi,
>I have a problem with the last episode of Star Trek, and I was hoping someone
>could straighten this out.
>
>Another question is this:  Crusher announced Troi's death at 14 hundred
>something hours, in front of the Am., taking off the cartorid stimulators. 
>Then, just minutes later, the Am. leaves after making a nasty comment about his
>getting safe passage back home.  As soon as he leaves, Crusher says 'We only
>have 3 minutes and 40 seconds (or some small time amount).  Now that's not what
>she said earlier about having 30 minutes.  What's going on there?
>
>-Pamela Cho-

Troi is "killed" while the he is still on the planet...he wraps things up,
and takes about 20 minutes before he gets to sick bay. Crusher makes the
death announcement, but you don't know that the time she states then is the
exact time, nor do you know if she's just making up any old time...

Whatever the case, it was clear that Troi was already dead for 26 minutes
before he made it to sickbay. So when he left, there was indeed only 3 
minutes, 40 seconds left.

william@cs.arizona.edu

	-	D	R	A	G	O	N	-
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: --<Man of the People>-- *SPOILERS*
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:19:50 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

spork@camelot.bradley.edu (Richard Izzo) writes:

}>Spoilers for MotP...
}>

}	*PUKE*  Hate to be rude, but...this has to be THE worst episode 
}since...GAWD, I don't remember when.  This is an example of writing so
}bad that it defies logic.  Why would a peacekeeper bring his MOTHER on
}the ship?  A sick person, at that.  I figure that would've at least brought
}about SOME suspicion.

}	For another thing, Troi fell pretty quickly for this "death ritual."
}One would figure she would have noticed that he wasn't honest with his angst
}over his "mother's" death.

Her "powers" just come and go at the writers' whim.  Although I suppose
some typical Trek hand-waving could be done ("Well, the guy specifically
chose her because she was an empath, so we could assume that he had some
special power to fool an empath's power").  Feh.  Doesn't anyone ever get
tired of having to bend over backwards and into pretzel shapes just to
cover writer stupidity?

Picard's handling of the situation was completely out of character.  He's
a Star Fleet officer sworn to uphold the peace of the galaxy (or somesuch),
but he's willing to just throw away any chance for peace on this world,
and condemn thousands to death just because this ambassador messed with
Troi.  By that time, the damage had been done.  Picard just wanted to
take the guy back to answer for his crimes.  But that is a completely
insufficient reason to be willing to totally disrupt the peach talks.

}	All I saw in Sirtis's acting is that she really can't play lead
}roles, 

Yup.  Although I must admit, I did enjoy the scene where she told off
Vinnie's girlfriend, uh, that is, the female crewman.

}>I would give this episode an 8.5 out of 10 .  

}I give it a 2.  

I give it a 1, and the only reason that isn't a zero is that "dress"
Troi wore.

--James Preston
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Dread of Scotty  / Non-spoiler
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:10:51 GMT
Organization: IUPUI

In article <Bvu541.Gsw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
 
>1. with Scotty there the episode will be based on ST pseudoscience... and
>you know how accurate that is.
 
I hesitated mentioning this, but "Relics" was released as a novelization
by Michael Jan Friedman and hit the newsstands last week...'bout the
same time as the hardcover "Best Destiny" and #62 "Death Count" TOS novel.
 
So if you don't get the first viewing until late in the week, you could
always read the novelization.  Besides, the books are always better than
the tv or movie!
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From: wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) 
Subject: Re: Dread of Scotty Episode
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 02:03:05 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Originator: wombat@coke.eng.umd.edu

In article <1992Oct8.212150.6830@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>In article <1992Oct08.200352.14069@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct7.214128.857@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu> jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu (Jim Feldhouse) writes:
>>>>Just a little preliminary survey.
>>>>How many here get the feeling that this
>>>>episode where Scotty returns is not going
>>>>to be to good?
>>>
>>>Count one.
>>
>>Subtract one.  That makes zero. (-: (Isn't this fun?)
>
>Add two (two for being right :-)

Heh.  Subtract four. (Four for you being so modest. :-)

>
>
>>>At least they kept it to one hour this time.
>>
>>Another good thing, there's not *nearly* as much hype for this as for
>>"Unification."  Expectations aren't as high, so hopefully it ends up 
>>surprising a lot of people.  
>
>I s'pose, although it seems there's been less hype for the season 6
>shows in general. However, you see fairly little discussion and a *lot*
>of complaining these days.

That's basically because there hasn't been an "I, Borg" or "The Inner Light"
yet this season.  When those start coming around, the bashing goes down
and the  praising and optimism goes up.  It's a cycle thing.


>>>>That means that 3 out of the 1st 4 episodes
>>>>are not very good 
>>>
>>>Personally, I'd call it 0 for 4.
>>
>>What?  You gave "Realm of Fear" a C, did you not?  I'd think you'd be 
>>singing in the aisles with a grade like that.  (-:
>
>A "C" is okay. It ain't "very good."

Well, on *most* people's scales it ain't "very good."  But on yours.... (-:


-- 
Jose Gonzalez
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Books
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:10:36 GMT
Organization: IUPUI

In article <Bw4qD6.512@acsu.buffalo.edu>
 
(test to see how sophisticated PAD's keyword search is:
 
 Does PAD dance /c naked women in the rain?)
 
>>Ready anything by: Peter David, Diane Duane, Margaret Bonano, AC
 
>     I half agree with you, Matt, which is a switch!
 
>     I would read Peter David's "Sulu and the Excelsior" book -
>     the idea is like an unknown quantity - imaginative and
>     possibly innovative, and at a very interesting time in
>     the Federation-Star Trek chronology - it could be the only
>     good Star Trek book in quite a while.  (I assume Janice
>     Rand would still be there, and perhaps Christine Chapel
>     as CMO?)
>     But I wouldn't recommend IMZADI or VENDETTA to my worst
>     enemies - formulaically plotted, sloppily written, I come
>     away with this feeling: PAD wrote these books in a weekend.
>     (Which he confirms by BRAGGING about it at conventions -
>     Peter: if you're reading: Don't brag about how fast you
>     write.  S please.  ROCK AND A HARD PLACE was pretty good,
>     you know: the best, comparatively with the rest of the
>     TNG novels...
 
I still maintain, writing quality aside, that PAD needs to be a little
less predictable.  You could read the first sixty pages and not finish
the book because you could easily guess the remaining portion /c an
accuracy of about 90%.  Not that the books aren't interesting to read,
but there are no surprises.
 
>     read on basic "he's an asshole for what he done" principle.  But
>     then the same must go for Brad Whatshisname who wrote FLAG FULL
>     OF STARS.
 
It's interesting to see ongoing comments about Brad Ferguson's "Flag
Full of Stars", particularly after reading the note Vonda posted
on his behalf 'round the time the book was made available.  Perchance
you haven't seen it?
 
>     As for Marshak/Culbreath -- didn't they write the K/S stories,
>     or the Spock Must Die ones?  I don't think we have to worry
             --------------
No.  This obviously helps us pin down your age.
 
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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:00:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvu31K.7KC
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


Hey look... I'm posting twice in one week! Maybe I'll make a comeback!  :)

Followups set to rec.arts.startrek.misc, assuming I set it up right.

v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos) writes:
:)In article <DAVIDM.92Oct8103648@consilium.com>, davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson) writes...
:)>>>2. Lt. Cmdr Crusher's promotion to Cmdr. after Starfleet tour.
:)>> As far as I know, she was a Cmdr. before then.  But I could be mistaken.
:)>> (I asked for her rank once, and this observation was mentioned MANY times
:)>> by different people)
:)>I think I saw Lt. Cmdr. pips on her collar at Far Point station.

:)I think it was changed VERY soon afterwards (like an episode or two 
:)	{or three, or four or...}

Besides that, Encounter at Farpoint can hardly be strongly considered the
basis for TNG facts.  :)

Half of TNG was changed after that episode.  :)
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From: cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Dallas Trek Convention
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:39:19 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

Hi,
I was just wondering if anyone from Dallas got to see Patrick Stewart
at their ST convention.  If so, what did he have to say?  Thanks,
-Pamela Cho-
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Episode Q-Me is no more!
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:55:33 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout



Now that I have your attention....

Here is the latest schedule for ST:TNG, as of 10/7/92:

The episode Q-Me has been renamed: True Q

Trivia question....

Name the only other ST:TNG episode to have the title changed AFTER it was
published in an official promotion department schedule.  What was the first
title and what was the new title?


127   9/19/92  227  46001.3	Time's Arrow Part II
128   9/26/92  228  46041.1	Realm of Fear
129  10/03/92  229  46071.6	Man of the People
130  10/10/92  230		Relics
131  10/17/92  231		Schisms
132  10/24/92  232		True Q
133  10/31/92  233		Rascals
134  11/07/92  234		A Fistful of Datas
135  11/14/92  235		The Quality of Life
     11/21/92  227R 46001.3	Time's Arrow Part II
     11/28/92  228R 46041.1	Realm of Fear
     12/05/92  229R 46071.6	Man of the People
     12/12/92  230R		Relics
     12/19/92  231R		Schisms

Unofficial:

     12/26/92  232R		True Q
136   1/02/93  236		Chain of Command, Part I
137   1/09/93  237		Chain of Command, Part II

The date is the first date of satellite uplink.  Paramount's official
'week of' is two days later.  Stardates will be added when known.
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: **MILD SPOILER*** Dread of Scotty Episode
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:12:04 GMT

In article <1687D11B50.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
(spoilers removed)
> Also, "Captain of Engineering" is not the same thing
>as the Captain of a starship (as the original poster stated above.)
>It may be just an honorific given to Scotty exclusively.  The novelization
>goes on and on about how Scotty was THE best engineer in Starfleet of
>the 23rd century, and how he wrote some of the specs.  I have never
>heard any reference to Captain of Engineering either in Trek, or
>in any military literature.  (Other than Scotty, of course.)

It simply means he holds the rank of Captain, which means he gets paid
the same as Kirk, wears a Captain's pins, and is called "Sir" by
Commanders.  Someone posted about a year ago that many large real-life
naval vessels, such as carriers, will usually have a Captain as the
chief engineer.  So it's not that uncommon...

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From: lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen)
Subject: Man of the People -- good qualities
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 06:37:28 GMT

Minor spoilers (if any)....



I didn't think MofP was a great episode, but there were a few things that
I actually liked about it.  I felt as though the writers were attempting
to add some elements of realism and 'daily life' aboard the Enterprise.
Though obviously not anything important to the plot, I saw for the first time
an acknowledgement of the in's and out's of life.  People waiting, multi-
using and congestion of turbolifts (which I am sure would happen often on
a ship with 1000+ crewmembers), employee evaluations (yes, the bridge crew
does have other duties besides standing around the bridge all the time),
a nod of saying 'hi' by Riker when passing someone in the hallway, and even
an acknowledgement of rank by a younger member.  These may sound menial and
useless to the show, but I kind of liked the touch of realism. 

Finally, I saw a lower-ranking member actually come to attention and respond
when encountered by a bridge crew-member.  On a ship that large, I'd imagine
seeing bridge crew is semi-rare and special.  Usually, crew-members just
pass right by without looking interested.  A nice human touch I thought.
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From: ruderg@jec326.its.rpi.edu (Gregory Allen Ruderman)
Subject: Re: nudity on trek
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:57:00 GMT

In article <chil.718454882@sfu.ca> chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim) writes:
>It's already been done, I think. In the episode <spit> "Cost of Living":
>the dancing woman by the mud bath.
>
>-- 
>Keith_Lim@sfu.ca   Simon Fraser University, Burnaby B.C., V5A 1S6, Canada
>Hon Cog Sci; Min Psyc; Forum; Senate; CDSU; URC; ASC; FARSIDE; LEAD; CCCS
>I officially represent each and every one of the above bodies--NOT!
>
>Elaan: "That ancient Earth custom called spanking...what is it?"
>Kirk : "Well, er...er...we'll talk about that later!"

And wasn't there a nude (from the rear) in the episode where we see Picard
painting and Data critiquing his work?
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From: steph@luvmycats.oerth (Stephanie Wilkie - Sales Admin Ottawa)
Subject: MAN OF THE PEOLE - ***MINOR SPOILERS***
Reply-To: steph@luvmycats.oerth
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:49:50 GMT


>The most pathetic scene for me had to be the
>last scene - the one between Riker and Troi
>explaining for everyone`s benefit, how and
>why the ambassor did what he did.

>RIKER: "Deana, please explain to me how the embassador
        did what he did and use some technical terms
        to make it sound credible"

>TROI: "Of course Wil, I am sure that our viewing audience
       would like to see this assisine episode wrapped up
       in a nice bow, let me spell it out to you and everyone..."


>UGHH!


>WAS ANYONE ELSE HOPING RIKER WOULD RUN HIS FINGERNAILS DOWN
>DEANA`S CHEEK WHEN HE PUT HER HEAD ON HIS SHOULDER AT THE END?
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From: marwood@csri.toronto.edu (Simon J. Marwood)
Subject: Re: Lore and Tasha: 2 questions
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:11:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct09.112206.26170@watson.ibm.com> annie@fatboy.manassas.ibm.com () writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.015821.9643@athena.mit.edu>, johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
>|> 	Question 2:
>|> 	Why did they kill Tasha off? (It's tomorrow night's episode
>|> on the repeats here in Boston). I've heard rumours that Denise Crosby
>|> was fired for posing in Playboy. Does anyone out there know the true
>|> story as to why they killed her off?
>|> 
>
>I had heard that they killed Tashs off becuase Denise Crosby wanted
>to have time for her film career.  So far I've seen her in two movies -
>for about 5 minutes in the beginning of Skin Deep, and then in something
>where she was a cop - the part I saw was pretty stupid.

She also appeared in Pet Sematary as the mother of the little kid who came
back to life.

Simon

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