HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: braking power lessons (was Re: I won? (NOT!))
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:38:50 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner) writes:

>this brings up the point that's been made before and will be made again,
>braking skills are probably one of the harder things to obtain yet the
>most valuable. 
>I have no idea how you would discover this braking capacity on a non-ABS bike
>since achieving that goal can be a bad thing...

Locking the front tire is NOT synonymous with crashing - I've done it
lots of times.  Find a parking lot, wear protective clothing just in 
case, and practice getting on the brakes a little harder each time.
Pay close attention to the front wheel, and let up immediately if you
hear or feel it start to slide.  Before you reach this point you'll
probably be amazed at how quickly you're stopping.  If you really want
to refine your technique, bring a friend with a tape measure, and
quantify your results.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rowell@socrates.umd.edu (William Rowell)
Subject: Re: Post-tipover tips?
Keywords: cbr600f2
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:56:30 GMT

root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:


>>escaped my attention thus far?  Please enlighten me, all experienced tipsters.
>                                                                      ^^^
>*TILT*  *TILT*   The very idea that you think we DoD would *TIP* our bikes!
>                 How do you expect to get enlightenment when you start off
>                 with insults?  The world wonders.
>>

On the contrary, I wanted to distinguish between Denizens  and "tipsters"
who might be reading r.m. Had I not qualified my query, I'm sure I would have
insulted noble and ignoble alike.

Well, after a more careful examination of the bike I conclude that the only
damage was a scuff of the left mirror and a minor scratch on the engine
case. I am amazed that the fairing sustained no wound whatsoever. Truly a
wonderfully engineered body. I like Hondas even better now, if that's possible.
I mentioned the scratch on the round protrusion of the engine case to my
mechanic when I took it in for break-in maintenance (600 miles) and asked
him if there was a paint I could buy to touch it up with. He said that the
part scratched was minor and I could just buy a new one. I should probably
be cosmetically concerned enough to wash the bike before I go buying anything.

-billy
-- 
'93 CBR600F2P  Work = 301-443-4930 "...you see, there's fast, really fast,
'91 MR2 Turbo  Home = 301-871-7704  and STUPID fast. This one is a notch above
'90 F117A <NOT!>                    STUPID fast" -salesdude on the ZX-11.
                                   "Hmmmmmmm!" -me
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: lbgnh@rivm.nl (Nihat Malkoc)
Subject: USA motorcycles pr prices
Organization: Rijksinstituut voor Volksgezondheid en Milieuhygiene,Bilthoven,NL
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:45:51 GMT

 Hi folks ,

 My old bike a suzuki GSX 1100 1980 (made R by myself) is getting really old.
I'm thinking getting a new one (used). Soon I will come to Florida
(miami) so maybe take one from the states to Holland. Actually  I'm
interested in next catogorie's motorcycle price's (dealership price's).
Suzuki GSX 1100 R from 1990-
Yamaha FZR 1000   from 1988-
Kawasaki ZX 750 (ZXR750 in Holland) from 1988
Kawasaki ZX 1100 (ZZR1100)
Kawasaki ZX 1000 from 1986-?

Thanks for your mail.
*************************************************************
Nihat Malkoc
National Institute for Public Health and Environmental Protection
(RIVM)
Lab for Soil and Groundwater quality (L.B.G.)
+++++++++++ Bilthoven ++++ Holland ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
Mail adress : lbgnh@rivm.nl
motor	    : Suzuki GSX1100 1980   
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: ok, who's pretending to be STUPID... (
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 12:36:52 GMT

In article <1asut0INNpc9@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 718397875@convex.convex, daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>>In <2580@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner) writes:
>>
>>What we have here is a failure to communicate. 
>
>No, what we have here is you babbling about something you obviously and
>admittedly know little about.  Not that that stops anybody else here...
>
Long, rational discourse deleted.
>
>---
>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
>  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
>DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
> (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
>
God I love it when you talk dirty Ed, I mean facts, logic and rationality
all mixed into one post.  Now if you just had a .............

-- 
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
From: ravi@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: rec.moto.tech
Date: 10 Oct 1992 03:30:10 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In a previous article, root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) said:
:- >
:- >	for bikers to relax and have fun! i doubt if people would
:- >	intentionally generate noise in a group that is technically
:- >	oriented.
:- 
:- If you see some posted piece of absurdity, or something that opposes your
:- personally held view(s), I submit that you are going to respond.  Now, 
:- depending on how far your view is from dead center, someone else is going
:- to regard that as noise ...

	you are right in that what people regard as noise is different
	and my choice of words was unfortunate. however, if someone reads
	something that they consider absurd and responds, that would still
	be a technical discussion. the idea imho is not to separate
	technical discussion from rec.moto, but to have a newsgroup
	where people can carry on just technical discussions if they
	*choose* to do so (much similar to r.m.racing or dirt). at best
	such a newsgroup can only serve as a compliment to rec.moto. i
	don't think i make much sense at this moment ;-) (did i ever??)
	but it just sounds like a good idea to me...

	peace,

	- ravi


-- 
'''---```---^^^^^^-----#-----~~~~~----'''------~~~~-----````~~~---------$$-----
sig (n): a piece of mail with a fool at one : Ravi Narayan - ravi@cs.wpi.edu
          end and flames at the other. (C).  :       Suzuki GS500E
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 08:37:51 EST
From: <HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Stats for VF700F?

I have owned my '85 VF700F for almost 3 years now....
any DoD members out there have an old Cycle/Cycle World/Motorcylist
etc... that has the stats for the beast?  I mean...with the
ZX-11, FJ, etc out there....It would be interesting to see
how the bike compares + can tell if I can reach DoD nominal speed.

Did anyone see the Cycle where they said the VF750F '83 is likely
to become a collector's item?

Oh well....back to chasing little girls & tennis balls......

Steve Hahn
From: feinstei@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Idiot bicycle races on non-closed courses (was Re: ignore  -  test)
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:30:17 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

In article <Bw1Bo5.J0A.2@cs.cmu.edu>, cain@silverblue.fac.cs.cmu.edu (Sebastian Nightingale Cain) writes:
> YOU have some fuckin' tolerance there dude.  I believe the original poster  
> was following all applicable laws concerning the usage of the road.   

In California there is a "Basic Speed Law" that states that 
regardless of the posted speed limits, drivers are prohibited from 
driving faster than is safe under the prevailing road conditions. 
This applies most generally to weather and such but also applies
to people who go around corners too fast, hitting pedestrians or 
bicyclists or anyone else unfortunate enough to be in the roadway. 
This is just common sense. You don't drive so fast that you wouldn't 
have time to avoid anything that appeared in your path. Therefore, if 
this ZX-11 driver *had* hit the bicyclists he, not they, would have 
been at fault and in violation of the Basic Speed Law. 

> Bicyclists on the other hand feel that since they have no motor, and are  
> much smaller, they deserve the right of way - regardless of which side of  
> the road they are on.  Nobody is trying to take away anybody's hobby, but  
> you gotta share the road there numbnuts.  There are other people out there  
> who are not as observant  as the ZX11 pilot was, and after they plow  
> through the group that was on the wrong side of the road, will probably  
> not give a shit - hey - they were on the wrong side of the road after all.
> Evolution in action I say.  Those who test their idiocy in public, rarely  
> live to regret it.

This I agree with. It's not much comfort to know you're in the right 
if you're dead. When I ride (moto or bicycle) my primary concern is 
not whether I have the right of way or not, but my best strategy for 
staying healthy and vertical in traffic, knowing that in most cases the 
traffic will be stupid at best and malicious at worst. This is just 
the attitude you have to have if you want to stay alive. But it's 
important to remember that drivers legally _can_not_ drive faster 
than the conditions of the road, including weather, traffic, 
visibility, and other factors, dictate. 

--
Josh Feinstein <feinstei@sonoma.edu>           I disclaim nothing.
PGP key available via .plan or email
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Mounting radar detectors on bikes
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:28:15 GMT

randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.210846.17355@wam.umd.edu> delilah@next18pg2.wam.umd.edu (Romeo DeVerona) writes:

>|nope. there is no transmitting element whatsoever in a radar detector;

>  Huh???  Obviously, you know nothing about a super-het radar detector.

>  That is how the VERY non-mythical radar-detector-DETECTORS work, that are
>so popular in Canada.

And Virginia and DC, though someone over in rec.cager said that VA has
just legalized radar detectors. Because they've switched to laser. :-(

>  They detect this superhet frequency, which is typically
>the same for almost all super-het radar detectors made (then you get your
>detector confiscated and/or destroyed).  I am unaware of any radar detectors
>that work worth a shit that *aren't* super-het units.

From the Oct. '92 issue of Cage & Dozer, here's their VG-2
detector-detector range measurements:

Valentine One	"Invisible"
Bel 966ST	20'
Cobra RD-306	600'
Escort 3200	800'
Whistler 880	4000'
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Commie Beemers for sale
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:38:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Oct08.143841.24259
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Oct7.223849.28615@xn.ll.mit.edu> rob@ll.mit.edu writes:
>R71 Motorcycle with Sidecar.  Found in original crates in a warehouse  
>in China.  Has never been on the road.
...
>The R71 is reconditioned, painted and road-tested before it is  
>delivered to our customers.  Very limited quantity.  Price: $7,500.

Amazing, that Maoist workmanship.  Never been on the road, but already
being reconditioned and painted...  I guess they have to justify
the price tag somehow.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Harley riders are JAGOFFS!!
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:21:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.213224.9282@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
|In article <1as8t7INNpc9@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
|> Why do people ride Harleys?
|
|Because they lack the insecurity that causes other people to buy fast
|rice burners and then brag about how fast their plastic coated toy is
|compared to other bikes.

  Damn!!!  Seth got me pegged, AGAIN!

  Actually, I always thought that SOME Harley riders just sincerely liked the
way the bike ran and felt, no matter what compromises were made to achieve it.
Nothing wrong with that, as long as they don't try to bench race with riders
of bikes that *are* more capable in certain areas.

  Then, the other 75% or so were just trying to be one of the "macho" crowd,
and get REAL irritated whenever someone points out reality to them.  Lots of
these hide under the "made in America" banner, disreguarding facts to the
contrary.  These assholes typically try to cut down other peoples rides
because they are so insecure about the things their ride is not able to do
well...

  I'm still not quite sure which group Seth belongs in...  Yet, I'll be happy
to brag about how fast my plastic coated toy is compared to Seth's two-wheeled
truck, and I'll let him brag how his bike satisfies him better than mine ever
could (which I hope is true)...

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The Lockheed Star FB-750 (fighter bike) (was: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleven
Summary: Banzai Bondo Bullet!
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:18:46 GMT
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <1992Oct14.184103.2422@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes:
>|> Lockheed would make their own fairing, radar-absorbing.
>|> They'd also write the system control software.  In Ada.
>|> 
>|> It will take 8 years to develop, and cost $237K each.
>|> 
>But WOW...be the first on your block with a bike that the 
>neighbours don't complain about the exhaust noise, instead
>they complain about the turbine whine!  You also would
>have a 'heads up' display inside your helmet, kevlar tires
>that will never blow out, guidance control (for those mornings
>before the coffee has kicked in), 620 horsepower, one gear 
>and total weight of 175 pounds!
>

... turbine whine ...  come to think of it, this may be secretly under
development as we speak, I've been noticing postings lately complaining
about excess whining.  Did anybody notice what part of the country the
whine complaints were coming from, so we can localize the area of 
suspected development?

I suggest the FB-750 be equipped with atomic land rockets, useful to clear
sleds out of the road in front of you!



>
>=============================================================================
>= The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733=
>= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
>= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) |  mbeaving@bnr.ca              =
>= Parking spaces? We don't need no steenkin' parking spaces!                =
>=============================================================================


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff

            {  Friends don't let friends hide FB-750 development }
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Crosswinds
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:36:18 GMT
Expires: 31 Oct 92 05:00:00 GMT
Organization: Computervision Corp., Bedford, Ma.

In article <1992Oct05.201824.25160@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>In article <4015@cvbnetPrime.COM> rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:
>>Perhaps you might want to think about this for a second - consider that when
>>a bird drops one wing it tends to bank in that direction (the same goes for
>>and aircraft altho' its much easier to use the rudder).  Basically what they
>
>Cough.  Easier to use the rudder?  What've you been smoking, Capt. Bemben?
>
>Countersteering doesn't work with airplanes.

okay Jonathan - try this on for size...

When you counter steer you are doing with the handlebars basically what you
are doing with the allerons of an airplane - you push the left handlebar and
the bike "banks" left; when you bank an aircraft you are making the allerons
work in a similar fashion (agreed they work in unison - one up, one down) but
you are causing one to create a low pressure area on the left side (in effect
pulling it down) and on the other side the same but in the opposite direction,
pulling it up.  This manouver causes the aircraft to bank to the left turning
the nose of the aircraft also in that direction.  You don't have to just
push on one side of the handlebars of a bike, but push on one and pull on
the other to produce (somewhat) the same effect.  Granted you aren't using
airpressure to turn a bike but the effects are quite similar.

No - I'm not a pilot (just a wannabe) but I have flown and do know the 
rudiments of flight.


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
Back in the saddle - BONNE'S ALIVE          (617) 275-1800 x 4173
The street giveth and the street taketh away - Catmother
*********************************************************************
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: TECH: Con Rod Angularity
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:07:42 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Jonathan E. Quist (jeq@i88.isc.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Oct6.021043.3342@tcsi.com> markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
: >In article <1992Oct1.183521.8765@swlvx2.msd.ray.com>, csl@swl (Scott Lilliott) writes:
: >
: >>To what extent does Con Rod angularity play in the balancing and/or
: >>vibration of an ICE?
: 
: >Increasing the anglar motion of the con rod (shortening the rod) has
: >two vibratory effects.  Assume one cylinder engines.
: >
: >1) On the power stroke the rod pushes the piston against the cylinder
: >wall and pushes in the opposite direction on the crankshaft.  The
: >resulting couple creates a rocking vibration.  
: 
: Also on the compression stroke.  Another side effect of this would be
: increased piston skirt wear.
: 
: 
: >2) A shorter rod will increase the difference between the maximum
: >accelerations of the piston (and therefore the forces on piston and
: >crank) at TDC and BDC.  The resulting imbalance creates a vibration
: >along the axis of the bore that cannot be corrected by counter-
: >weighting the crank.  
: 
: In addition to increasing the absolute value of the acceleration, it
: also adds a sizeable component at the 1st harmonic of whatever
: fundamental frequency the crankshaft is turning.  (Which explains why
: a balancer on the camshaft is called a harmonic balancer...)
: While the desired profile would be a sinusoid, the actual piston motion
: is:
: 
: 	y = r*cos(wt) + 1/2(L - sqrt(L^2 - r^2))*cos(2wt)
: 
: where y is the piston displacement, r is the radius of the crank,
: L is the lenth of the connecting rod, and w is the angular frequency.
: (t is, of course, time).  0 degrees is defined as TDC.
: 
: Plugging a couple of values in:
: 	L:r		magnitude of harmonic
: 	1:3		.029*L
: 	1:2.5		.042*L
: 	1:2		.067*L
: 	1:1.5		.127*L
: 
: If anyone feels like plotting this, have at it.  It appears the breakpoint
: is somewhere between 1:2.5 and 1:2.  At any rate, the longer the connecting
: rod, relative to stroke, the less harmonic vibration.  I'm sure there's
: a sexual joke in there someplace, but I'm confident someone else will
: point that out.
: -- 
: Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
: jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
:         There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
:        Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.


 |     .
 |
 |     .
 |    . .
 |    ...
 |    . .                Sorry, couldn't resist...  Hey, they give us these
 |    . .                stupid toys to play with, can't help it of I get 
 |    . .                carried away, can I?
 |    . .
 |    . .                Nick (the stiff Biker)   MoG 17369  DAD 5016  Et al.
 |  ... ...
 | . .. .. .
 | . .   . .
 |_____________
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: The Dead Battery Problem
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 13:21:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.182010.26753@news.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.180303.5560@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>>not on the bike). But I would be very interested in the technique for
>>picking up a dropped bike.
>
>Don't try to use the header pipes as a handhold.
>

Only if they're *HOT*.  If he dropped it in the garage before he started it
the header pipes might be the handiest handle ...

>Eric Rescorla, DoD#431 (Nighthawk S)              rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff
            {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:16:36 GMT
Subject: Re: 80/81 CB750 s
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

In rec.motorcycles, dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson) writes:

> Agreed, I've noticed that with mine on many occasions.  I can sometimes
> get away with the middle grade stuff (89) but if I'm going to ride
> it hard, I need the good stuff (92 'round these parts).

I've noticed in hot weather it really needs premium.  I've wondered if
richening the jetting might help the situation.  After 11 years of living
with miserable cold starting, I'm inclined to start fiddling with the jets.
If only the carbs weren't such a bitch to get out. 
 
> More tech:  How much of a pain in the ass is a ring job on these things?

Lucky for you, both Chuck Karrish and myself are self-proclaimed experts on
top end jobs.  I'll mail you my files.

First, you have to pull the engine.  No way around it.  The worst part
of pulling the head and cylinders is getting the gasketed surfaces free.
If the motor's never been apart, the head and cylinder have grown quite
intimate.  I can suggest some homemade tools to make this job much easier.
I damaged a few fins (soft as putty aluminum) before I figured out the 
proper tools. 

This is great!  Too bad I have to wade through so much spooge to get to the
good stuff.  Let's have a CFV for rec.motorcycles.cb750.  ;-) 

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcpe.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.