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From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: CFMN?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:15:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.142409.28326@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:

>The saddest of all is that some innecent people are being 
>manipulated without ever realizing it. Your remarks and actions may
>start innecent but play right into hands of politicians.

I view this as a mutual playing. Politicians play the people and
people play politicians. If the play is not fair, the game will
not continue. The basic rule is that everyone must be happy.

For example, the 6/4 Massacre was not fair to the people. So
they began to hate the government.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: cfmn?
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:39:36 EST

In article:<1992Nov16.232922.5013@tamsun.tamu.edu>
   Subject: CFMN?
      From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:

XY> Only idiots like you get fooled by the above noble intentions, If you
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
XY> note a little bit about what the CIA has done to the South american
XY> countries, the philipines and even in China (during Tiennamen for
XY> example), you know a lot of it is just a smoking screen. The true
XY> intention is for power play.

Ah-Q always felt that he himself was smarter than the rest of the
neighborhood.  :-)

Calling others name has little effect on the SCC, people can easily tell
who is the true idiot from what one says.   :-)

XY> Just for your info, CIA financed coup in Peru in the 60's,
XY> CIA was involved in overthrowing of Marcos in the philipines,
XY> CIA was around Tienanmen in 1989(5 groups in fact).

Let's have a look around, how many underground CCP cells are active
on the SCC?  :-)    Who is naive or who is stupid? :-)

XY> You know China is poor, but the majority of the people have
XY> benefited greatly from open door policy. CMFN only hurts
XY> ordinary people. Your life is comfortable now, and you have
XY> become semi-american, so you can care less about the people
XY> in China. Is this moral?

I have a problem here, the CG under the leadership of CCP had emphasized
over and over again about the superiority and correctness of the
"Socialism with Chinese Characters", how come? You are saying:" China is
poor?", It contradicts tragically with the luxury life styles of the
CCP's cadres and the children's of the CCP's elites.

After more than 10 years of the "Great success of economical reform"
under CCP's leadership, how come? the fate of the ordinary Chinese
people are still decided by "One of the laws of a foreign government"?
Worse, according to what you have posted here, this government has evil
intentions towards China. Are you saying that the CCP is selling Chinese
people out to Americans now? Otherwise why the fate of the ordinary
Chinese should be decided by the U.S. Government?
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:24:33 EST
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Subject: Re: Info about the Prof. whose tenure was denied...
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First make sure that it is indeed a racial problem.  Avoid using " we believe
that...".  Luo
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From: ~{5K~}@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~})
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: What do we Chinese celebrate? (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:43:53 GMT
	<lg8ac5INNbkc@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
Organization: ~{W<9bKYVX@kWS6TW2;z~}(Au+79)-> Little BIG BANG <-(Au+79)

>>>>> In article <lg8ac5INNbkc@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
>>>>> "Steven" == Steven Lin <stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM> writes:
...
  Steven> In 1992, we mainly celebrate the protection bill passed,
  Steven> in the expense of many deads at TAM at 6/4 of 1989.

Steve, shame on you to lick clean the blood!


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From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: mail-order bride
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:31:38 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

kao@cae.wisc.edu (Chengheng Kao) writes:

>On the other hand, many people gave up more just to come to american. In the
>early day, a lot of taiwanese college girls will marry black american 
>soilders (no racial discrimination or what so ever intended here) in order to 
>come to american. Nowday, there are still many asian woman will marry old
>american men for the same favor. It is sad but it is also reality.

That reminds me of those mail-order bride ads on some newspapers.  I
am so mad everytime I see those ads.  It is a major shame to all Asians. 
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)
From: gangz@csgo.usc.edu (Gang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese Movies/Videos Are Garbages
Date: 17 Nov 1992 12:25:22 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: csgo.usc.edu

In article <92321.215727U21885@uicvm.uic.edu> Zhong Hau <U21885@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>  How about videos : The Story at The Editorial Board
>                   : Ke3 Wan4  (Yearning )
>                   : Wei2 Chen2  (Besieged city)
>

All garbages.
Even worse than the soap opera garbages like "Dallas", etc.





Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: poppy@open.dal.ca (Y.S. "Poppy" Shen)
Subject: Re: questions of the Korean WAr
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:13:19 GMT

In <1ehlntINNbb@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao) writes:

>Dear netters,

>I recently saw a program of the Koeran War.
>I wonder why the U.S. didn't get a victory
>in that war.  The U.S. troops are much stronger
>than North Koeran and Chinese troops by the
>mean of equipments.  The same force with the 
>same general, General McArthur, defeated Japanese
>troops in the Pacific, but were frustrated by
>North Korean and China.

>Which side did most Korean people support?
>Was the conflict between General McArthur and
>President Truman(spelling ?) a big cause of
>the non-victory ending?
>Did the U.S. force fight as hard as they did
>in the WWII?
>Did North Korean and Chinese forces push the 
>U.S. force back by vast number of troops?

>Should or shouldn't the U.S. enter the war if the UN
>didn't make a decision to help South Korean?
>Should or shouldn't China enter the war?

>What was the reason of North Korean's invasion at
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the beginning of the war?  

>The program I saw called the Korean War a forgotten
>war.  What do you think is the biggest reason
>that most Americans don't talk about this war so much?

>Thank you for your attention.

>Wen Zongyao

Do you think the civil war between North and South Korean a 'invasion' war?

U. S. (entitled U. N.) troops did not invade Korea in the war ?

CCP led PLA invaded China too in the civil war (1946-1949) ?

You wish U. S. troops should have come to China to stop PLA invasion ?

U. S. troops defeated Japs because they were fighting against Japs'
aggression.

U. N. troops led by U. S. also stopped Iraq's aggression.

U. S. lost the war both in Viet-nam and Korea because they did the
aggression themselves.

U. S. would have been be defeated again if U. S. troops had stayed in 
Iraq.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:46:20 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time for CCP to Change - was CMFN

 >From: jli@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Jinghong Li)
 >Subject: Time for CCP to Change - was CMFN
 >Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:38:35 GMT
 >
 > (deleted)
 >Ironically, believe or not, no matter what IFCSS does - support CMFN,
 >against it, or do nothing, a CMFN bill will be in the US Congress
 >anyway.  Regardless what our dear SCCers argue - especially those against
 >CMFN, the bill is going to be passed, and, importantly, President Clinton
 >probably will "have to" sign it.

            Lix:  Ren Zai Jiang Hu, Shen Bu You Ji.

            That's happening everywhere.

 >
 >It is time for the Chinese Government to change, not the other way around.
 >
 >Anyone, if he/she really cares about the ordinary Chinese people,
 >if he/she really cares about the reform and wants to see more, stop
 >accusing your fellow CSS and try to do two new things:

                   Interesting.
                   Let me suggest a couple things to do:
                   1) wife/wivies
                   2) kids
                   Take good care of them. That's the democracy
                   all about.


 >
 >1.  Push the Chinese Government to change, not only "reform" on
 >    economy, but also improve on human rights.  Push the CG to release
 >    political presioners, push it to follow the law and order, etc.
 >
 >    Don't go around blaming those who try to bring both prosperity
 >    and freedom to ordinary Chinese.  No one wanted China to loss MFN,
 >    it is only the CG's behavior made the lossing poosible.
 >    No one wanted to hurt the people, human beings need much more
 >    than fed and alive.
 >
 >2.  Cooperate with organizations, such as IFCSS, to work with the US
 >    Congress so that only those realistic and important conditions
 >    are attached.
 >

                       Please work with me,I only attach
                       a couple conditions on you.

                       Otherwise ...


 >    Remember, this is a free and democratic Country.  If one refuses to
 >    work with others, he/she simply gives up the rights and opportunity.
 >    At the end, for any unwanted resoults, they only have themselves to blame.
 >

                   A netter mentioned a story of 2 mother & 1 child.
                   Who's the true mother?

                   Maybe both, maybe neither,maybe...
                   One may care much more about the kid apperance,
                    hoping he will have a nice daughter_in _law
                    in the future.
                   Another may care much more about the kid's
                   fate and growth,hoping him to be a good
                   follower.

                   But chinese people is not a kid nor any card.
                   They have judgements to choose their son(s),
                   not mother(s).

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chenwei Yan)
Subject: Re: dating a guy from China
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 23:49:58 GMT


We need more easy and relaxed topics like this, and less personal attacks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: carl_@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: Yang Baibing and China After Deng.
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:48:46 GMT

In article <BxtJz5.Go2@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu  
(xiao-lin li) writes:
> 
> I read a very sensitive story in World Journal. It said
> that Yang Baibing was stripped his millitary power for
> a "failed coup". It said that before the CCP's 14th Congress,
> Yang held a private meeting with some generals in Xiang Shan.
> These generals were mostly from Beijing Millitary District
> and Armed Police. They are Yang Baibing's "Qing1 Xin4".
> During the meeting, they discussed how to handle the situation
> of China after Deng Xiaoping's death. (Sound like Lin Biao's
> 571 Project).
> 
> Finally, Deng Xiaoping was informed by some internal sources
> about this meeting. He was very much alarmed. Some generals
> such as Qin Jiwei complained that if Yang Baibing has power
> after Deng's death, all of them would have head fall. Even some
> generals who were promoted by Yang Baibing complained about
> Yang Baibing's ambition of grabing power after Deng's death.
> 
> Deng Xiaoping was very concerned about the stability of
> China after his death. He realized that Yang Baibing would
> be a source for the country's split after his death. Therefore
> Yang Baibing was stripped all major millitary power in the
> 14th CCP Congress.
> 
> Will there be a big political show down after Deng Xiaoping's
> death?
> 

Among the leaders in CG, I like Deng Xiaoping best. It seems to me that he is a  
non-communist among the CCP leaders. Compare to Mao, he is an angel while Mao  
is a devil. I like him because he is practical and puts emphasis on economics.  
I still remember his good economic policy in early 1970s that brought many  
Chinese relatively better lives then. I hope he can live longer and thus give  
China a period of time of stability and economic growth. It's more healthy to  
pursue democracy and freedom based on the relatively developed economy.

Carl
From: yzhang@crcvms.unl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: For Sijin again.
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:25:30 CST
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
NNTP-Posting-Host: crcvms.unl.edu

Hi, Sijin:  I tried several times but still could not reach you through 
e-mail. If you want call me, here is my phone #: (O) (402) 472-8237 or
(H) (402) 421-9179.  Regards,  Y.-K. Zhang.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: Time for CCP to Change - was CMFN
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:46:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.230326.15036@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> jli@amsc01.engr.udayton.edu (Jinghong Li) writes:
>
>
>CMFN or UCMFN ?  It is NOT the question.
>
>As the Democrats goes to Washington, with the possibility of a real
>CMFN in coming, some begin to worry.  Recent SCC discussions
>focused on the point of whether or not HR conditions should be 
>attached - really a missing of the POINT.
>
>This is not the time to start the debate again.  Believe or not, 
>none of the many "sides" will never be able to convence the other.
>If you will, please face the reality:
>
>Ironically, believe or not, no matter what IFCSS does - support CMFN, 
>against it, or do nothing, a CMFN bill will be in the US Congress
>anyway.  Regardless what our dear SCCers argue - especially those against 
>CMFN, the bill is going to be passed, and, importantly, President Clinton 
>probably will "have to" sign it.
>
>It is time for the Chinese Government to change, not the other way around.
> 
>Anyone, if he/she really cares about the ordinary Chinese people, 
>if he/she really cares about the reform and wants to see more, stop 
>accusing your fellow CSS and try to do two new things:
>
>1.  Push the Chinese Government to change, not only "reform" on 
>    economy, but also improve on human rights.  Push the CG to release
>    political presioners, push it to follow the law and order, etc.
>    
>    Don't go around blaming those who try to bring both prosperity
>    and freedom to ordinary Chinese.  No one wanted China to loss MFN,
>    it is only the CG's behavior made the lossing poosible. 
>    No one wanted to hurt the people, human beings need much more 
>    than fed and alive.
>
>2.  Cooperate with organizations, such as IFCSS, to work with the US
>    Congress so that only those realistic and important conditions 
>    are attached.  
>
>    Remember, this is a free and democratic Country.  If one refuses to 
>    work with others, he/she simply gives up the rights and opportunity.
>    At the end, for any unwanted resoults, they only have themselves to blame.
>
Are you implying that China needs to beg the US for MFN? Hey, get the
fact straight. It's a mutually beneficial thing. Don't you realize 
all the fights in the past have mostly been politically motivated?
China needs US MFN just as much as US needs Chinese MFN. Only idiots
would risk such a trade war. So don't always believe what politicians
say to get elected? Still remember what Reagan said about Taiwan and
China to get elected? What did he do later? He only did what fits
US interests, not what he said before hand.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: NEWS: China overseas policy change
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:03:29 GMT

In article <BxtLto.K2q@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron) writes:
>In article <BxtBvC.2CM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> tsui@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (yufeng tsui) writes:
>>In article <1e877eINN9p3@apache.dtcc.edu> wang@apache.dtcc.edu (Wang Gang) writes:
>>>
>>>Does this mean that I spent 5000 yuan, and gave up my Fudan diploma to enter
>>>a community college in US, is just a WASTE OF TIME ?????!!!!
>>>
>>>If I find it true, I will NEVER go back to China.
>>
>>Who is this guy?
>>
>A whiteman's slave
>

Another patriot? There are people who decided not to return no matter it's
true or not. What name do you have for them? What do you call Chinese 
Americans? What do you call people who immigrated? Refugees? Slaves?
Prostitutes?? Do you mean one should rot in his/her small hometown with
their ancestors?

Fan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Why accuse Shen Tong?
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:56:10 EST
Organization: Penn State University

>From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu (Tuya)
>Subject: Why accuse Shen Tong?
>Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:18:20 GMT
>
>          Chinese have become so smart these days and they bore into
>          the tip of deer horn to analyze things.
>

                       Da4 Bu3 ( big  compansation ).

>          Among all the D-leaders and motherland lovers, across 3
>          years, only one dared to go back to face the system, and
>          what happened to him?
>
>          1.  He got arrested by the ccp;

                     In some restraunt for 50 something days.

>          2.  He was accused of being a bad guy selling friends by
>              other D-fighters (not including me).

                    And selling himself at same time.

>
>          Shen Tong, the pig 8 jie4 looking into the mirror.

                         Haha mirror.

>          Have you ever seen a more humorous logic?  I start to

                        Havn't seen any humor yet.


>          believe Lix's logic regarding Chinese culture.
>
>          One proverb describes all:  One monk has plenty of water,
>          two monks have some difficulties, if there are three, all
>          monks are dry fish.  Down with Mao Zhuxi, the population

                        How about a Ni2Gu1 and a monk + a little one?
                        Some call it TQC.

>          producer.
>
>          Sign!
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From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: NEWS: China overseas policy change
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:56:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BxtLto.K2q
Organization: Indiana University

In article <BxtBvC.2CM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> tsui@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (yufeng tsui) writes:
>In article <1e877eINN9p3@apache.dtcc.edu> wang@apache.dtcc.edu (Wang Gang) writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Does this mean that I spent 5000 yuan, and gave up my Fudan diploma to enter
>>a community college in US, is just a WASTE OF TIME ?????!!!!
>>
>>If I find it true, I will NEVER go back to China.
>>
>
>NEVER say never.
>
>Who is this guy?
>
>--signed
>
>


A whiteman's slave
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: What do we Chinese celebrate? (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
    <BxrztD.7r@cs.psu.edu> <Bxz87r.Jqn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:40:14 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:

>In article <BxrztD.7r@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>>
>>Each progress reported on People's Daily and/or any other medium is done 
>>by many plain Chinese people like us, who worked 20hr per day, sending their
>>kids to the grandma, staying the post with illness-excuse in pocket. If 
>>someone says they did nothing worthwhile, he won't be popular. The
>>gang of four said "don't work for wrong line", they are not popular.

>My sympathy to you. But I think it is not right to send your kids to
>your grandma. Kids need to stay with their immediate parents unless
>the parents are not qualified. You should demand for 20hr pay as well.
>You should demand the pay that matches your work. When you are ill,
>you should not put the illness-excuse in your pocket. You are entitled
>to have vacation when you are ill, or even you are not ill.

>By the way, what are you working for? For the country? Something seems
>to be wrong.

I don't think you are qualified to be a US citizen now, ask those older
soldiers in the middle east if they brought their child with them.
I can understand the reason you look down the working people, because
you want to tell people what your democracy means.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: YANG@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Wei Yang)
Subject: cnd subsription
Organization: Penn State Engineering Computer Lab
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 20:24:41 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Hi,buddy,
Please tell me how to subscribe cnd.
Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu (Tuya)
Subject: Vegetables and History
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:51:36 GMT

        The discovery of vegetables is one of the major factors in human 
history, perhaps more important than fire.  For fire allows for animal
protein, but vegetables allows for plant protein.

        You can trace human history by tracking the flow of vegetables.
For example, the foreign invasion of China can be traced by examining the
introduction of hot pepper and tamato to China.  Similiarly, you can 
understand the relation between Italy and China by looking at the flow
of noodles.  

        This is a new discipline of study, called "shu1 cai4 shi3 xue2,"
which was presented by lix but elevated to theory by zai4 xia4.

        This theory is used to individuals as well.  In China, the study
of individual history is done through looking up Dang3 An4.  In other 
places, you can do it through tracing the menus of that person.  A recent
study of lix shows:

    Wo1 tou2 ---> rice + hot pepper --> dan4dan4 noodle --> lu2zhou1 da4 qu1
    --> white bread and peanut butter --> pizza --> hamberger 
    --> whole wheat bread sandwich --> prime rib + lobster

    This ji1 ben3 'chi1' xian4 clearly shows what has been happening with 
our friend's life in all these years.

    Allow me define theory I in Shu1 cai4 shi3 xue2:
 
    "Food, only food, is the true driving force for developing history."
                                                        
                                                             -- Tu Ya
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Vegetables and History
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:15:20 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Nov19.150602.17683@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
<>In article <9210177220.AA72202@> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu (Tuya) writes:
<>> 
<>>    "Food, only food, is the true driving force for developing history."
<>>                                                        
<>>                                                             -- Tu Ya 
<
<No, another thing is also important. "___, ___ xing4 yie3."

But the significance may be different. So, here is a compromise of the
good points of you two:

Food, only food, is the primary driving force for developing history;
color, the second.
                            -- Tu Ya, Li Gang, and Dr. Johnny.
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