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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:21:06 -0400 
From: "Helen J. Borek" <hb0q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Book Reference (was: Sadie - Update)


If you ever need inspiration and support ... I strongly recommend
reading (and kleenex):

    "For the Love of Princess, Surviving the Loss of Your Pet"

     Author: Cheryl A. Kilbourn
     Publisher: Princess Publishing
      P.O. Box 386
      Beaverton, Oregon, 97075-0386

     Copyright 1987

     ISBN 0-943367-00-X
     $10.95

Books can be ordered via the address of the copy above, include 10.95,
plus 1.50 shipping and handling for the first book and .50 for each
additional book.  Allow 2 to 4 weeks for delivery.

Copied from the back cover:

"For the Love of Princess is a deeply moving portrayal of the loving
bond between the author and her canine companionof nine years.  When
Cheryl learned that Princess had an irreversible disease and their time
together was limited, her pain began."

My girlfriend received this book from the Pet Loss Support Group in
Pittsburgh and passed it on to me.

Although I haven't been able to read very much of the book, I seem to be
able to find solace with the author's writing.

Hopefully many of you will not need to think about this for a long, long
time to come.

-Helen and Sadie


Helen Borek
helen+@cmu.edu
From: sheffiel@bobcat.lmc.edu (Susie Sheffield )
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: german shepherds
Summary: good quality breeders
Keywords: shepherds
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:06:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: bobcat.sheffiel.14
Organization: Lees-McRae College, Banner Elk, NC


If anyone knows of good breeders of German Shepherds please let me
know.  I especially am interested in breeders who use german dogs.

Thank you so much,

susie

**************************************************
Susie Sheffield
Business Administration
Lees-McRae College         sheffiel@bobcat.lmc.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rtorres@convex.com (Randy Torres)
Subject: Susan Cole
Summary: Where have you been
Keywords: Are you out there
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: rec.pets.dogs rec.pets
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:16:28 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Susan,
   Are you out there?  Where have you been?


   send me mail   rtorres@convex.com.


Randy
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: And what kind of dog is that?
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:03:09 GMT

jms@queenb.unh.edu (Judy M. Strauss) writes:

        (great story deleted)
> And my little dally (bless her heart) simply walked over and took a 
> pee right on the woman's foot - I was laughing so hard  I was in tears.
> 
        I dunno, I think when my "pit bull" (a black shar-pei!!)
        was kissing a lady who had bent over to look at her (to see, omigosh!
        my dog has wrinkles!) and was not a viscous (??) pit bull...
         well, Taissu's dew claw got caught in her blouse, and OUT popped
         her "cleavage" (her breast)
         Her friends almost <tinkled> they were laughing so hard....
Penn and Taissu
From: kingston@artex.waisman.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: Dog & Protection
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:40:10 GMT
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison


I'm new with this, but I'd like to put my .02 in.  I have had dogs all my life
I've had lab's, mutts, chihuahua, Huskey, samoyeds, dobies, rotts and now I
have a German Shepherd. Let me tell you a brief but very true story about
my GSD.

        I lived on a farm way up in norther Wisconsin.  I let my dog, her name
        is Tundra, run outside as it was summer.  I was in the shower and
        I didnt hear a car pull up.  I lived alone and out of town in the
        woods. (by the way I am a female)  It was a strange man.  He got
        out of the car and Tundra met him, sniffed his hand and stayed
        right by his side.  She never barked or tried to bite him as he
        surveryed the farm.  She followed him to the barn, to the shed
        and then he headed for the house.  When the man reached the bottom
        of the sidewalk she immediately went ahead of him and stood right
        in front of the door.  Now remember folks, I was in the shower
        and she didn't bite or bark at him before.  But when this man
        reached to open the door, she attacked him..... I heard the
        commotion and went to see what was happening and the man was
        heading for the card, but Tundra wasn't following him, she stayed
        put right by the door.  He got into his car and left to be never
        heard from nor seen again.

I truly believe that my GSD may have saved my life.  She is a very, very
intelligent dog and she is my life.  I didn't train her to be protective
nor to attack.  She just did it on her own.  As far as labs go, they may
not be as aggressive as some other breeds, but let me tell you, they will
protect you as long as you let them.  I believe that a dog must know
right from wrong just like children, but I don't believe in trying to
clone them into not being an animal.  Remember that they ARE animals and
do need guidance but not to be broken.
Peanut
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Humane Society Dogs
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:59:25 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

Today someone asked me about my dog.  I gave her a brief history.  The 
dog is a mutt - probably half bassett hound, half yellow lab.  His 
original owner game him to her ex-husband when she moved into an 
apartment.  He already had 7-8 dogs but he lived on a old farm so he 
could take in another.  The guy died about a year later and the dogs 
ran wild.  No one knows how long he was dead before someone discovered 
the body but it was long enough for the dogs to almost starve to 
death.  My dog was a skeletal 40 lbs when he was taken to the Dane 
County Humane Society.  He was the only one they thought they could 
save.  The other dogs were all put down.  My dog was at the Humane 
Society for 2 months.  We adopted him on a Thursday.  They told us 
afterward that he was scheduled to be euthenized as unadoptable the 
following Tuesday.

We took him to the vet.  He had 3 kinds of worms, infections in both 
ears, an undecended testicle, and a staff infection.  He weighed 44 
lbs.  He wasn't house trained.  

He's now a lean 60 pounds and in perfect health.  He's so well trained 
that my neighbors are envious.  (They're especially impressed by how he 
does a bowel movement on command.  I hesitate to give advice because 
I'm no expert.  I just keep loaning them my copy of 'How to be Your Dogs 
Best Friend' by The Monks of New Skete.)

But I'm not here to brag.  I just want to say that when I think about 
how close my Rufus came to being put down - well, it just about breaks 
my heart.  And when I think about the number of other dogs just like 
him are put to sleep each year I want to run over to the Humane 
Society and adopt every dog on the premises.  

Please, please, next time you are looking for a dog check out your 
local Humane Society.  The dog you get may require more patience than 
a dog from other sources but the rewards will be enormous.

JGH
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog & Protection
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:43:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamvm1.1687E96D8.CBARNES
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <1992Oct9.181839.1184@macc.wisc.edu>
   heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM ) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Oct9.170853.11345@morrow.stanford.edu>, liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller) writes...
>>In article <1687A7FBE.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>>
>>>The difference between barking and biting is, IMHO, an arbitrary
>>>one that humans thought up.  The dog couldn't care less (unless,
>>>of course, we imposed a difference on the dog, but that still isn't
>>>what the dog would have done).  In other words, I think it's silly
>>>to have the expectation that a certain breed of dog (Labs in this
>>>case) to inherantly know the difference between barking and biting.
>>
>>	I disagree wholeheartedly.  I don't think it is a silly
>>distinction.  I think it goes against the temperament of a real lab to bite
>>people. (period).
>
>I agree that the distinction is not silly but, further, I don't
>believe that it's an artificial, human-imposed distinction.  When
>you're playing with a puppy you'll see them nip at you purposely not
>doing too much damage.  They may get carried away and break the
>skin but they make no attempt to bite down and really plant their
>teeth.  They know at birth that biting hurts.
>
>This is not limited to dogs.  My wife's cat has swiped at me with his
>claws several times.  He could have scratched me very deeply - but
>chose not to.  He knows just how hard to scratch so as to leave lines
>on my skin without drawing any blood.
>
 
A dog will bite for several reasons - the pertant 2 in this
discussion is protection (what Liza and I are discussing) and
domanace (what you are discussing).  IMHO, biting for protection
is acceptable (possibly even desirable); biting for domance is
never acceptable.
 
      ---------------------------------------------------------
                        |  Pure Breed Labs - ready on Thanksgiving Day
Chris Barnes            |     Sonny's Yellar Dawg Dixie SH
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |              x
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |  HR Millercreek's Cash Payoff MH
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |       (finished MH title at 1992 Nat'l Master)
                        |
                        |  They were born on Thursday (Oct. 8).
                        |  She had 10 pups....5 male & 5 female
From: tat@sybase.com (Tat H. Ng)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Supply Info
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:54:33 GMT
Reply-To: tat@sybase.com (tatman)

Any kind soul out there has the addr/phone# for Tritronics and RC Steele?
I am trying to get a catalog for these two suppliers products.

Thanks.

-tatman
tat@sybase.com
From: cotton@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (carol.jean.swanson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Help: Bedtime growling
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:14:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


Hi:  

It seems we have a problem that is getting worse
and I just want to make sure we correct it the
best way.....So comments from the networld are
appreciated.

Anyway, our dog typically falls asleep on the couch
before my bedtime (I'm watching TV on the couch).  We try to get her up
to move her (by picking her up.  I typically reach
in and touch her tummy area) and she GROWLS at us.  More recently,
she's been trying to SNAP at us also.  At first, I thought
it may be because she wasn't quite awake yet.  But I noticed
since then that she does this when she is awake.  I haven't 
tried alpha rolling her yet becuase of her sleeping position
it makes it hard to do anything very swiftly (i.e, I'm watching my
hand so she won't bite me).  This behavior
is swiftly getting unacceptable.  I think I should be able to
get her up off the couch.   This is the
most agressive behavior we've seen from her.

Any suggestions?  Should we not try to pick her up and try something
else?

Is this just a case where we're not showing her
who the boss really is?


Thanks  in advance for any input.
Carol Mount
cjsm@homxa.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Obsessive-compulsive disorder
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:27:57 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20In-Reply-To: linda@frcs.Alt.ZA's message of 7 Oct 92 21:46:16 GMTLines: 16

In <1992Oct7.214616.25985@frcs.Alt.ZA> linda@frcs.Alt.ZA writes:

> I'm currently treating a puppy with a condition which seems to
> parallel obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) in humans. It presents in
> [omitted]
> He's currently on clomipramine, which is supposed to help humans with
> OCD (so far not helping). I was wondering about other approaches,

How do puppies do on Prozac?  Its allegedly pretty good at treating OCD in
humans, though its kind of expensive ($1.50 or so per capsule, I think).  It is
an inhibitor of seretonin reuptake in the brain.


------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:09:54 GMT

In article <ROWATS.92Oct7112057@rowats.Software.Mitel.COM> rowats@Software.Mitel.COM (Stephen Rowat) writes:
>
>For my next dog, I'd like to get a purebread German Collie, hopefully that way I'll get a dog
>whose ears will stand up! (But you'll never know till they do.)

Quite.  I just adopted a 10 month old "German Collie" from an animal
rescue organization (NARF) and his ears flop.  If anyone in the bay
area is interested in a big sweet submissive dog, his brother is still
waiting for adoption.  

--
Michelle Dick
artemis@netcom.com
From: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pees when excited
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:53:57 GMT
Reply-To: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1524@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM 
(Marget Johnson) writes:
>SURE they can, Ruth! I have a Newfy bitch who, at two years old, still has a
>submissive urination problem...with everyone but me. 

>And, No, I don't have suggestions for training the dog not to pee. Nothing
>I've tried works at all. Interestingly, the two-year old never pees in the
>conformation ring...maybe because she ISN'T sitting down? 
>Sure cures from the netland welcome!

Marget

OK, this is *not* a sure cure, but have you tried a technique called
"flooding" (no pun intended, this is really what it's called :+)

Goes like this; you need a group of people, preferable ones who will
stimulate the undesired response (in this case, peeing). 
- Have your dog sit with you on leash (preferably not on carpeting!)
- Have the group of people walk past your dog without looking at her;
  when they can do this without her peeing, move on to next step (this 
  is true of all steps)
- Next have the people look/smile at her when they walk past
- Next have the people say something to her ("Hi puppy") as they walk past
- Next have the people give her a treat as they walk past
- Next have the people touch her (ex. pat on the head) as they walk past
- Next, repeat the previous 5 steps but with the people stopping instead
  of walking past (ie, stop but don't look, stop and look, stop and say
  hi,...)
Ideally this can be done in 1 night with 5-10 people just circulating past
you and your dog, progressing through the steps. The idea is that you start
with the most innocuous action (just walking past) and build up gradually
to the most intense action (someone stopping and petting her).

Good Luck - hope it works (no guarantees, but waddya got to lose :+)

************************************************************
* jane jackson and murphy b. lab, Am/Can CD, WC, CGC, TDI  *
* jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu                                *
*                                                          *
* standard disclaimer applies...                           *
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From: davek@informix.com (David Kosenko)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: puppy and cat -- should I be worried?
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:41:31 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu writes:
>Hi folks.  I have a situation here and I'm not sure what to do.
>
[historical info deleted]
>Well, Kalli died this summer.  :-(  K.C. was very sad, and immediately came 
>down with a Urinary Tract Infection.  About a month later, we got a new 
>puppy.  (A Dobe)  K.C. is the type of cat that never hides -- he wants to 
>know what's going on at all times.  Abbie is very interested in K.C., and
>K.C. is always around.  K.C. is an indoor/outdoor kitty -- all claws still
>there.  The problem is this:  K.C. lets Abbie jump on him, smoosh him to the 
>ground and bite at him.  He swats at Abbie, but I don't think he EVER uses 
>his claws.  We almost wonder if he's got a death wish.  We try to stop Abbie'
>s behaivor by shakes and NO!s, and K.C. gives us this 'Thank God' look, and 
>then about 2 minutes later, saunters by Abbie with his tail flicking, just 
>*asking* for a chase.  We're afraid that K.C. has no fear, and Abbie has no 
>idea that she could hurt K.C.  
>
>Some cat people tell me that K.C. would fight if he needed to and we 
>really needn't worry.  I'm afraid that if we keep them separated, we'll do 
>more harm than good in the long run.  Maybe we should consistently not let
>Abbie play with K.C. at all, but again I'm afraid this might be a worse
>idea because K.C. will become forbidden fruit.
>
>What do you all think?

This sounds almost exactly like the situation in my house.  I have a ~6 month
old cat/kitten and a ~4 month old golden (who is going to be especially big
when fully grown).  The cat runs the house, but the pup is so big and goofy
and playful that he doesn't care.  At first I was worried, since the pup picks
the cat up by the tail (eliciting a howl from the cat).  I used to correct
him on this, putting him into a down-stay, at which point the cat would
saunter up and lunge at the dog in play.  So now I figure if the cat wants
to be left alone, he'll leave the dog alone (he has places to go where the
dog cannot bother him).  If he gets fed up with the dog's treatment, I have
every confidence that he will use his teeth and claws to get his point
across.  But as often as not, the cat is the instigator ;-)

While it is possible for the dog to inadvertantly hurt the cat, I tend to
think this is unlikely at a young age; in fact, the dog may well be learning
the 'limits' of play at this stage (similar to how they learn with their
littermates).  I know that, so far, the worst my cat has suffered is a
thorough slobbering (he always seems a bit damp these days);-).

So my approach  up to this point has been to let them work it out themselves.

Good luck!
Dave
-- 
Disclaimer: These opinions are not those of Informix Software, Inc.
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The heart and the mind on a parallel course, never the two shall meet.
						-E. Saliers
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu
Subject: puppy and cat -- should I be worried?
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:08:19 GMT

Hi folks.  I have a situation here and I'm not sure what to do.

When I was first married, and Kalli (my Golden Retriever) and I went to live
with the new husband, Kalli was very lonely.  She had always had other dogs
and cats to play with when I lived with roommates.  Mark (the new husband) 
loved cats as well as dogs, and we decided it would be easier to get a cat 
than get another dog.  I personally had never owned a cat before, so this 
was sort of a new experience for me.  Anyway, K.C. (Kalli's Cat) was rescued 
from the SPCA as a kitten, and became a member of the household easily.  He 
and Kalli would play, but more importantly, they kept each other company 
during the day while Mom and Dad were at work.

Well, Kalli died this summer.  :-(  K.C. was very sad, and immediately came 
down with a Urinary Tract Infection.  About a month later, we got a new 
puppy.  (A Dobe)  K.C. is the type of cat that never hides -- he wants to 
know what's going on at all times.  Abbie is very interested in K.C., and
K.C. is always around.  K.C. is an indoor/outdoor kitty -- all claws still
there.  The problem is this:  K.C. lets Abbie jump on him, smoosh him to the 
ground and bite at him.  He swats at Abbie, but I don't think he EVER uses 
his claws.  We almost wonder if he's got a death wish.  We try to stop Abbie'
s behaivor by shakes and NO!s, and K.C. gives us this 'Thank God' look, and 
then about 2 minutes later, saunters by Abbie with his tail flicking, just 
*asking* for a chase.  We're afraid that K.C. has no fear, and Abbie has no 
idea that she could hurt K.C.  

Some cat people tell me that K.C. would fight if he needed to and we 
really needn't worry.  I'm afraid that if we keep them separated, we'll do 
more harm than good in the long run.  Maybe we should consistently not let
Abbie play with K.C. at all, but again I'm afraid this might be a worse
idea because K.C. will become forbidden fruit.

What do you all think?

-Chris R
From: rdorgan@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Robert Dorgan)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Is that a FAQ?
Keywords: Elbow callosities(?)
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:43:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: da_vinci.Bw2s42.JE3
Organization: US WEST Information Technologies

Do only lazy dogs get the fur rubbed off their 'elbows'. Our
Yellow Lab has a large spot where she always lays.

She was washed out of the seeing eye school in Morristown New
Jersey and we knew why when she ran in front of and got hit by
a car.


-- 
rdorgan@uswest.com (Tom Dorgan)  303-595-2880
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From: michele@dgbt.doc.ca (Michele Guillet)
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 14:06:04 GMT

In article <1ava6jINNo0t@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt) writes:
>
>For example, my parents had an apricot miniature poodle that was a      
>little (well, I guess a lot) overweight.  I can't count the number of times
>that people mistook Puffin for a curly cocker spaniel, a lab puppy (!)
>or an oversized pomeranian.  
>
Funny what people do say about your dogs. My cocker is on the
chubby side (I don't think she's that bad and the vet just
ask me to keep her weight stable not to get her weigth down)
but I also keep her hair on the long side. She has curly hair
and yesterday I walk her after giving her a bath which means
that her hai was all fluff up. A woman I met on our walk ask
me if she was pregnant. I was embarassed a little but
it didn't bother Tania.


-- 
Michele Guillet 			The Communications Research Centre 
3701 Carling Avenue, Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA, K2H 8S2	tel:613-998-2384
Internet: michele@dgbt.doc.ca
From: srsmart@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (susan r. smart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Biking with Dogs
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:54:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bw2pu6.6qK
Organization: Indiana University

In particular, Jasper loves to run with the bike, but shies away from
the bike itself.  I think it would help if I could devise commands
that would let her know when I was planning to turn, stop, slow, etc.
It occured to me that mushing commands might be handy for this since
Jasper will never mush.  What do you think?  What are these commands?

Also, should Jasper have a harness for the Springer, or can I simply
attach it to her collar?

I'd love to hear more stories from people who bike with their dogs.
I enjoyed the recent thread, how about some Springer specific advice?
Thanks in advance!

Susan Smart  srsmart@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs