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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Order of the Coif?
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:06:37 GMT

In article <67nZ02s41fUF01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:
>Can anyone tell me what the Order of the Coif is?  I've seen it listed as a 
>qualification for some attorneys.  I'm not certain that it represents an 
>honor or degree associated with the legal profession, but the context seems 
>to indicate so.
>
>Anyone?

At the University of Chicago, it's the top 10% of the graduating class.
I suspect it's the same elsewhere.
-- 
             ......................................................
             ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | std disclaimers
             the university of chicago law skool, chicago, illinois
             it's log!  log!  log!  it's big, it's heavy, it's wood
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: cates@cherokee.unx.sas.com (Claire Cates)
Subject:  Order of Judgement
Originator: cates@cherokee.unx.sas.com
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:54:16 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.



I just got an Order of Judgement in my upcoming child custody case.
For those of you who don't know what that is, I didn't, he specified
a custody arrangement of 50-50 and the Order says that if he
gets 50% of the custody or better, I have to pay his court costs.

Now, I have asked my lawyer and he says this is unheard of in a 
custody case that Order of Judgements are only used in civil cases.

Is there anyone out there that know anything more about these things
and do I need to worry about it.  Thanks in advance for any 
information.


Getting down and dirty here in NC.

Claire


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Claire S. Cates              How we spend our days is, of course, 
cates@unx.sas.com            how we spend our lives.
                                        Annie Dillard
From: v064lnev@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Avatar)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: QUESTION: Granting Police More Power (legality)
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:17:00 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BtvL7u.7w1@world.std.com>, srm@world.std.com 
(Stevens R Miller) writes...
>[.......]  If the SUNY Campus Police are members of the state
>police, this is probably already the rule by which they are
>governed, absent any special rules applying to SUNY.  In any
>case, Terry stops by ordinary police are common, and presently
>constitutional.

	Technically, the SUNY Campus Police are designated as Peace Officers. 
There jurisdiction presently only extends as far as campus property, however,
one of the other recommendations made by the SUNY Task Force was to enlarge the
jurisdiction of the Campus Police to nearby neighborhoods, etc.

	Does this effect anything?

--Zerxes Bhagalia
Xref: sparky misc.legal:16686 alt.censorship:7270
From: matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Summary: Love it or leave it.
Keywords: FEMINISMUS DELENDUS EST
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:54:31 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Laboratory, APG, MD.

In article <1992Aug20.184336.12971@Princeton.EDU> 
egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:

>Living in a community, from a small town to a big nation, is ALSO
>voluntary...at least to a degree.  The resident of St. Paul IN PART
>volunteers to live in St. Paul.  Even residence in a country is
>voluntary (in part), at least insofar as the country is a signatory to
>the UN charter, and thus allows freedom to emigrate.  [Ed Nilges]

Yeah.  Our United States -- love it or leave it.  But that cuts two ways.  
Consider:

Here's a country whose Constitution guarantees Freedom of Speech.
And maybe there are some people who think, "Well, Freedom of Speech
means its OK for the oppressed, the resentful, the losers, the envious
to vent their anger and resentment and fury against the winners, the
so-called "Stock of the Puritan" who crossed the Atlantic, dared
the might of kings, and made a wilderness the home of Freedom, but
Freedom of Speech must *not* mean that the winners will be free to
express themselves in ways that can only increase the despair of the
losers by making the losers feel bad."  

But there's *good news* for people who think that way:  They don't
*have* to live in a country with such a Constitution.  In fact,
continuing to live here may well be tantamount to *complicity* in 
the crime of making losers feel bad.  And continuing to live here 
is *voluntary*.  So would-be suppressors of the kind of "Hate Speech"
that makes losers feel bad are free to move to a country like Canada,
which is pretty much as free a society as the United States except
that "Hate Speech" is a crime there.  And Canada is only a short drive
from Saint Paul.

					-- Matt Rosenblatt
                                        (matt@amsaa.brl.mil)

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
TRUTH     JUSTICE     FREEDOM     YIDDISHKEIT     IVY     THE AMERICAN WAY
Xref: sparky misc.legal:16570 misc.consumers:15782
From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Endorsing checks for deposit via ink stamp?
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 21:06:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <1992Aug26.144715.12568@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com>
  <1992Aug27.182113.20031@Happy-Man.com>

This is interesting.  When I first started banking with Wells Fargo,
they just wanted me to write my name on the back of the check.  Later,
they asked that checks be endorsed with "For Deposit Only, XXXX YYY ZZZ,
signature," there XXXX YYY ZZZ was the account number, and signature
was my signature.  This was for checks deposited at the ATM.

Cash-back deposits were allowed from the ATM.

I've now moved from The IOU State to Washington.  Wells Fargo doesn't
operate here, so I'm now banking with Seafirst.  They only ask for a
signature.

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: jeff@dsp.sps.mot.com (Jeff Enderwick)
Subject: insurance claim payment rates.
Organization: Motorola DSP Compilers
Distribution: misc
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:42:24


I'd like to find some statistics for an upcoming small claims case.
I would like to find out the claims payment rates for various shippers
such as UPS, FedEx, Target Airfreight, etc. Any leads?

	thanks,

	Jeff Enderwick
	jeff@dsp.sps.mot.com
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,alt.censorship
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: The return of vaudeville. (was: Re: Nilges)
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 18:34:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.201606.7476@midway.uchicago.edu>
hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) writes:
>In article <GPRIORES.92Aug28114045@fish.oracle.com>, gpriores@oracle.com (gordon prioreschi) writes:
>> 
>Seth:
>I think in at least one matter I believe we have done Mr Nilges an injustice.
> He actually does have a sense of self irony.

[Actually, I wasn't the one who said that.  Carl Edman seems to be the
original author.]

>Sheheryar:
>Who is this "we"?  Does it comprise of any minority or woman?  Ofcourse not.
>I guess the old white boy network is always and unconditionally united!  And 
>correct of course! (Just in case, the last sentence was sarcastic!)

>When I say "woman or minority" I am including people of the other sex and
>other races in my struggle.  Standing for others is an alien concept for
>you. I think I know that already.

And getting other people's agreement before you claim to speak for
them is apparently an alien concept to you.

>Gordon: 
> And thus (unintentionally, I'm sure) we come dangerously close to
>> sanctioning the all-too-common (dare I say Politically Correct?)
>> assumption that being stated by a minority or a woman somehow
>> automatically confers an extra measure of logical coherency on an
>> argument.
>
>Sheheryar:
>I would not equate PC with "all to common."  If the opinions of women
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If you're going to quote someone, at least have the courtesy to copy
his text with an editor that won't introduce spelling errors.

>and minorities were considered the "common opinion" the US would be a 
>different place altogether. 

Notice how Sheheryar assumes that women and minorities share an
opinion.  I've found that people tend to have differing opinions, and
women and minorities are people.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
Xref: sparky misc.legal:16711 alt.politics.correct:5212 rec.arts.movies:26218
From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Clair George's trial a mistrial!!
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:50:11 GMT
Organization: Superseding Information, Inc.

In <ART.92Aug30121858@world.std.com>, art@world.std.com sez:

   [re Oliver North]

>  Note too that he was only convicted on the "cheap" charges,
>destruction of government documents and accepting the gift of a security
>fence.  A gift he accepted in desperation because, even though he had
>received numerous death threats, the government refused his request for
>protections.  This is particularly shocking since he was performing his
>activities on behalf of that government.


Unfortunately for your position, this is a lie.  After North made this
claim before the committee, the relevant military authorities
submitted a declaration that North *never made a request for
protection*.

References, which can be had on line (if not in the committee majority
report), available on request.

-- 
      I am George Bush, miwwionaire.  I own a mansion and a yacht.

	Mark Eckenwiler    eck@panix.com    ...!cmcl2!panix!eck
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: ADL Dismayed by Ohio Court Decision Striking Down Hate Crimes Law
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:29:22 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Aug27.164739.13301@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.155606.9594@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>
>>This is the key issue.  The Supreme Court's Viktora decision provided a
>>counterfactual "right" to Viktora to commit a tort and a crime, implying 
>>paradoxically that the guy had a legal right to commit a legal wrong.
>
>The language in R.A.V. says no such thing.

Mike, Mike, Mike, this is what the language IMPLIES.  I am aware that
The Powers that Be would prefer us to read superficially and not think
about the logical implications of what the bossman says (to the extent
that Gil Harman here at Princeton toys with the idea, wrong on the face
of it, that one does not "mean" the logical consequences of what you
say...how convenient for an aliterate elite!)  But if you think about it, 
this is what RAV IMPLIES.  The fact that it implies nonsense, far from shoring
it up, REFUTES it.  Logic 101.  Or has the Supreme Court repealed the
law of the excluded middle?  
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (was: Mister Ed Nilges)
Organization: NCSU Computing Center
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:13:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.145301.20665@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.002232.13250@ncsu.edu> hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) writes:
>> ...
>>  totalitarian_system_following_Nilges'_biases
>
>Oops, Henry, apostrophes are not valid in C identifiers (God this is
>fun.)

  Well, Ed, we've finally found out what you see as fun.  You
do have a very constricted world view.

>> ...  (Although
>>it does seem to me that flaming about an extra parenthesis in
>>*pseudo*-code goes beyond the usual amount of Nigles-pissing-moaning.)
>
>The original code was clearly an attempt at C, not English-like
>pseudo-code.  And I pointed out the blunder (as well as your blunder) in
>a serious spirit, 

  If you were only able to interpret the original as an honest
attempt at a C program, then your world view is even more barren
than it first appeared.  Then you get so exercised over an
offensive (to you) apostrophe that you didn't even notice that
your (hispanic?) surname wasn't spelled correctly.

>for I perceive the increasing conservatism and racism
>of American society,  ...
>Meanwhile, ageism, sexism and racism  ...

  Wow - all this from a left parenthesis and an apostrophe.
>
>So the blunders are HIGHLY relevant.

  Your interpretation of them is relevant - it shows how little
you pay attention to anything larger than a punctuation mark, and
how you avoid anything substantive even when shoved at you.  You
don't deny your authoritarian/totalitarian philosophy, instead you
quibble about an apostrophe!

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
Newsgroups: misc.legal,comp.lang.c
From: jle9162@zeus.tamu.edu (ECKHARDT, JASON LEE)
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech (was: Mister Ed Nilges)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.212216.18631@Princeton.EDU>, egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes...
>In article <BtnLup.Irz@NCoast.ORG> cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) writes:
>>
>>
>>Your algorithm works out to:
>>
>>if(!(totalitarian_system)
>>  {
>>    piss;
>>    moan;
>>    whine;
>>    cry;
>>   }
> 
>Not only are none of your points worth replying to, Chris, there's a
>stupid blunder in the above pseudo-C code.  Can you spot it?  I teach a
>(politically correct) seminar in C programming that you may wish to ask
>your boss to authorize at your site some time soon.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>Give up?  The error, of course, is an unbalanced set of parentheses on
>the first line.  The second left parenthesis, behind the ! "not" symbol,
>is not needed, but incompetent programmers often overuse parentheses
>because of their principled refusal to learn operator precedence.  They
>call this "structured", using, as far as I can tell, the word
>"structured" to mean "stupid."
> 

  I've been programming 'C' for nearly 7 years and I feel that 'overusing'
  parentheses is not a sign of incompetent programming and definately not
  stupid. Sure, learning (memorizing) precendence rules is important, but
  there is nothing wrong with adding parens for clarity (ex. ++*pointer).
  And I don't think this shows a 'refusal to learn operator precedence.'

>Anyway, thanks for a laff, and remember that PC C seminar I mentioned!
> 
> 
  Hmm, maybe I should attend that 'PeeSee C seminar' also?

  jason...
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: IZZYOA1@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Abominable Abdominals
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:53:46 PDT

   OK HERE'S THE DILEMMA.  I DO A REASONABLE  AMOUNT OF ABDOMINAL
  WORK.  BY NO ONE'S DEFINITION DO I HAVE A "SIX PACK", BUT IF I
 FLEX MY STOMACH THERE IS SOME NOTICABLE DEFINITION.  THE PROBLEM
 IS THAT ALL THE OTHER TIMES WHEN I'M NOT WORKING OUT OR FLEXING
 MY GUT HANGS OUT. I FLEX IT IS OK, I DON'T THEN ITS FLABBY. COULD
 THIS BE LACK OF TONE IN THAT AREA AND IF SO DOES THAT REQUIRE A
 SPECIAL TECHNIQUE OF EXERCISING THE ABDOMINALS?  PLEASE POST
 ME SOME ANSWERS PLEASE OR MAIL ME DIRECTLY.  MY ABS THANK YOU.

 R.P.   (IZZYOA1@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
        I AM MALE, 20 YRS OLD.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Fat Burner Pills
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 26 AUG 92 10:18:22    


aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes...
> 
>Dan Harkless says:
> 
>>My latest addition
>>(starting this week) is that I'm skipping lunch so that I'll be taking in
>>fewer calories.
> 
>No!!!!! Don't do it!!!!!!

Add me as another voice in agreement.  Skipping meals is one of the biggest
taboo in most fat loss regimes for a number of reasons, primary
on the list being that it makes you hungrier and fights against your
goals the next meal by increasing the tendency to binge when you have your
next meal (in my case, literally 'feeding frenzy' sometimes :-)), and
that the body begins to shut down metabolism when it thinks it is being
nutritionally deprived, which is not what you want.

>Eat when you get hungry: just don't eat much fat. Eat tons of
>complex carbos instead.

'Tons' was a figure of speech, right ... ?  :-)

							todd

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: yoon@meaddata.com (Yoonho Ha)
Subject: Re: Stretching for shoulder muscle
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:59:10 GMT

Does this happen in your weaker shoulder?  It sounds like the same nagging 
problem I've had for some time now.  

In article <1992Aug31.152052.26633@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>, stuart@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Peter Toich) writes:
|> What's up folks,
|> 
|> 	About a year ago I was doing regular flys when my arm/shoulder gave out.  I
|> ending up dropping the weight b/c of the pain.  It went away however in a day
|> or two.  From that day on though the muscle in the top part of my shoulder
|> starts to hurt when doing benching and/or incline benching.  I was wondering if
|> there is any excercise and stretching that I can do for that muscle.  A few
|> friends who also lift, complain of pain in the same area so maybe this is a
|> common occurence.  I won't give an email address since other people may be able
|> to benefit from the information.
|> 
|> Thanxs
|> 
|> Pete Toich
|> 
|> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> "I go to parties sometimes until four, its hard to leave when you can't find
|> the door."  -  Joe Walsh
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: rodeen@buddha.ncc.umn.edu (Rick Odeen)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: step Reebok
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:42:17 GMT
Organization: Nutrition Coordinating Center, University of Minnesota

In article <92246.142941U58855@uicvm.uic.edu> <U58855@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>But because there is no jumping involved in step, the stress
>on the joints from impact is virtually not there (IMHO).
>

According to Reebok jumping movements are okay as long as it's jumping
up onto the step, jumping down is considered harmful.  A fun STEP step is
to move onto the bench from the end, step off the sides in a t-step 
straddling the bench, then jumping up onto the bench again, and ending
by stepping back off the end of the bench.  It takes a little practice
to do this and overcome the urge to jump off instead of jumping on to
the bench.

So what are people's favorite STEP steps?  Anyone care to share them?

-Rick

-- 
"MINIX costs $169, but the license allows  | Rick Odeen 
making two backup copies, so the effective | rodeen@buddha.ncc.umn.edu 
price can be under $60."                   | rutgers!umn-cs!buddha!rodeen
         - ast@cs.vu.nl (Andy Tanenbaum)   |
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: chaos@summa.tamu.edu (Kimberly Diane Faircloth)
Subject: Re: Fitness Thoughts
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:54:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.162239.24431@stortek.com>, pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes...
>In article <2A994A35.14703@orion.oac.uci.edu> dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug17.080344.28886@edwards-vax.af.mil> becker@edwards-vax.af.mil writes:
>>>
>>>You do realize that for burning FAT you must find your target heart rate and
>>>keep it at that rate for 20 minutes before your body begins to burn fat?
>>>THat is why it is good to do a 40 minute aerobic workout twice a
>>>day....gives you the best results.  Many people work up to one hour at a
>>>time.  The heart rate is the key here, remember that.
>>
>>Hmmm.  I did not realize this.  How do you figure out your target heart rate?
>>I am trying to lose 10 pounds right now.  I use the LifeStep machine.  I
>>generally go for about an hour, but I don't have any idea about my heart
>>rate...  Do those Casio heart monitor watches work?

Take 220 minus your age, multiply by 65% and 80%.  This is your training zone
heart rate.  Any higher and you will be putting yourself at risk, any lower
won't be giving you the maximum workout as compared to the workout while
maintaining heart rate in the 65-80% range.

> 
>How about a more general question: how do I maintain an effective metabolic
>rate for losing fat during aerobic exercise?
> 
>Age-pulse tables will either be too high or too low for a large percentage of
>the population. In _The New Fit or Fat_, Covert Bailey recommends a "talk
>test" to get a good approximation of an appropriate aerobic range.
> 
>I'd recommend reading this book....it will give you a good foundation of
>understanding to be effective in getting fit.
DEFINITELY!!!!!
> 
Another thing that Bailey points out is that it only takes 12 minutes of
exercise at target rate to get body working on burning fat and developing
the fat-burning enzymes needed to effectively burn fat as seen with fit
people.  Mind you, this does not include the warm up and cool down time.
This varies according to the exercise.  For example, on a stair machine,
it takes 1 minute to get your heart rate into the training zone.  Therefore,
this exercise, to be effective, only has to be for at least 13-14 minutes.
Walking takes much more time to get the heart rate into the training zone.
But once you have your heart rate in that training range, the walk must
only last at least 12 minutes longer for it to be beneficial. 

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From: U58855@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: step Reebok
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:29:41 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I have performed step exercise routines.  They are very high-intensity,
non-impact exercises performed by repeatedly stepping up and down on a
platform anywhere from 4" - 10" high (the higher the step, the higher
the intensity).  Various step patterns are added, arm movements, in some
cases light hand-held weights might be used.

I found step exercising to be an extremely effective aerobic workout.
I have problems with my knees because of three years of high-impact
aerobics.  But because there is no jumping involved in step, the stress
on the joints from impact is virtually not there (IMHO).