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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:01:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: HR 1674

        Since the NSA can listen in on any phone conversation they want to,
what difference does it make?

        Dunno.  From what I have been reading, they are afraid that the
state of the art as far as encryption goes is reaching the point where it
will be increasingly difficult for them to monitor the conversations.  I guess
it means that while they have the resources to crack a certain amount of
encyphered messages or conversations, they may not have the capacity to
do it all the time on a very large scale.  In any case, they want to be able
to do it more easily, and more cheaply.  Lastly, I have a feeling that if
they are given this, they may use it as an implied authorization for them
to monitor the conversations.

        The only defense for anybody, as I have long said, is to hide what
they want to hide (if they have something to hide) in the content of their
messages and not encrypt them as it will only attract attention.  Of course
if their are more encrypted messages and conversations that will make the
noise level all the higher.  In any case, people should always assume that
everything they say is overheard.

                                        Chris Morrison
        with nothing to hide.           CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:34:47 EDT
From:         todd pukanecz <CCCS@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Dave's dilemma
              1 Oct 1992 21:23:45 EDT from <32GVSR2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>

On Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:23:45 EDT Corinne R. Hillard said:
>Only in your dreams,Dave.  If Bush loses than the real nightmare begins.  I can
> live without the double digit inflation and the 20+% interest rates at the ban
Oh yeah... the ghost of the Carter administration.  Any reason to believe
this tripe, other than Carter and Clinton are both Democrats?  Say maybe
an analysis of their administrations as governors, an analysis of their
campaign proposals, a detailed impact study of Clintons economic policy.
Or is this just some sewage Rush Limbaugh has pumped through your sieve?

>k.  The only solutions Clinton offers is more government....If Jefferson were a
>live today he would be a Republican.

Guess again.  He would have been a Libertarian.  I'm betting Thomas J.
would ave been just as insulted by the marriage of the religious right
to Republican politics as I am, probably more so.
    todddddddddddd

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Subject:      Re: A long precis

>From: Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>

>So, you claim that I said something in an earlier posting, but you
>are not going to show where I said it. And now you say you will wait
>for some unspecified third party to find a non-existent quotation
>from me. Ok. So, we will wait. If no one comes up with your fictitious
>quotation, then you are going to think that shows you are right.
>I get it.

And once again you prove that you can't make it through a whole post without
either distorting the issue or putting words in someone's mouth.

1) I never said that I would claim victory if no one took it upon themselves to
find your statements for me.  Please stop putting words in my mouth.  This is
grossly dishonest.

2) I've already explained that I have no idea *how* to get into the archives.
If you'd like to explain to me how to do that from bitnet, please do so and
I'll rummage through them myself.  In the meantime, please refain from
insinuating that I am choosing not to do so; I simply do not know how.  Again,
your dishonesty is showing.

>Jamie

Jason
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From:         "If I Were A President,
              There Would Be 2 States: Sanity and California!"
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Subject:      Re: Thomas Jefferson and Arizona

doubtful.... not even close as far as principled.... I would
humbly submit Woodrow Wilson to that title.. for if Wilson were nothing
else he was principled.. and also as a close second, Jimmy Carter, for
he too if nothing else is principled!!
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From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: It's Not Funny

Jamie:

Hmm.  You, too, have ommitted a key actor.  Are *you* a Mason, too?

--Missy P 2 B (muttering amongst the documents...."Now where is that
  Birch stuff....Must have been stolen by the government.....Who's
  there?  Hey!  I hear you breathing out there.....but you'll never
  get meeeeee.....!)

PS:  It may interest you to know that the Secretary of State of Oregon
     recently elected is named Jean Dixon, and it is inferred that she
     must have won by some bizarre vague name recognition factor.  Why?
     Because now that she has been elected, they are starting to find
     out who she is.  Just for starters, she thinks the federal government
     is stealing people's furniture.  She is, it turns out, a bit more
     odd even than the *real* Jeane Dixon.

     Oops.  Vote wisely, people.  It might be important.
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:23:00 EDT
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Subject:      Forward from Bush list on Oregon initiative.

From:   BITNET%"BUSH@MARIST.BITNET"      "Discussion of campaigning for Presiden
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Mainstream Oregon
1742 Skyline Blvd.
Eugene, OR 97403
Jeff Osanka, President

For too long we were silent as the OCA pursued the politics of division.
We believed Oregonians would reject their attempts to extend their
prejudice.  The OCA's victory in Springfield has shaken us out of our
complacency.  We must act now to persuade mainstream Oregonians to reject
the OCA's Ballot Measure 9.

As Republicans we share a special responsibility.  The OCA has chosen to
insinuate itself into our party.  Many Oregonians now automatically equate
Republicans and the OCA.

In fact, mainstream Republicans oppose the OCA and especially Ballot
Measure 9.

*  Mainstream Republicans believ, like Barbara Bush that abortion and
homosexuality are personal matters that should be left out of the
Republican Party Platform.

*  Mainstream Republicans believe, like the Associated Oregon Industries
(the premier business lobbying group in Oregon), that discrimination
initiaves like Measure 9 are bad for business and that "Government has
enough to do without regulating the personal beheaviro of individuals in
the privacy of their own homes and lives -- provided that personal
behavior inflicts no harm on others."

*Mainstream Republicans believe, as Americans, that family values are a
matter of trust, and they trust families to make difficult personal choices.

Mainstream Oregon was organized to represent those no longer interrested
in the gridlocked politics of the lefto or the right.  We represent
traditional conservatives and moderates who accept their individual
difference in order to support basic Republican principles of less
government.  We oppose all those who want to increase government
bureaucracy and intervention.

We urge all mainstream Oregonians to speak out and work to defeat Ballot
Measure 9.

Authorized by Mainstream Oregon, 1742 Skyline Blvd, Eugene, OR  97403
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:16:48 EDT
From:         MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET

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Subject: Re: The Decline of America: The Police State, footnote

The list's official exponent of Herren-Moral (he's just joshing
us with a pseudonym about his bladder problems!) takes time out
to inform us that "A typical American citizen with a bazooka is
not a threat to anyone." While a find the image of the average
American so armed a touching tribute to the terrifying lawlessness
of the Reagan years, I'd be a little more inclined to accept it
when it's backed up with statistics demonstrating that no lives
are ever lost to the accidental use of the penis-extenders Robert
so fervently, nay climactically champions. (Why don't you stop
trying to wee-wee hot lead, and join civilization?)
For the Right to Arm Bears,
Michael
        "Guns don't kill truth, yahoos kill truth"
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Subject: Do you guys agree with this man? If so, I will shut up. Chris.

From:   BITNET%"ZIMMERJ@WABASH.BITNET" 25-SEP-1992 20:20:59.90
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Dear Chris:

Would you PLESE stop posting pointless 1-4 line messages on POLITICS.  Since
most of your posts have no real point, they are incredibly annoying.
Particuraly annoying was your last post to Kerry subjected "RE: It's nomail
time."  Why did you post that on the list?  Why not send it *privately* since
it was of a private matter unrelated to the list?

Please be more considerate of others' already cluttered mailboxes in the
future.  Thanks.

Jason Zimmerman
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From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Rush
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On Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:50:16 -0400 <KILBURN%WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-ST
>some of his taxes (like sales tax on food, I think) were raised
>specifically to help education -- where his state has made some real
>progress.

Well, what other direction could that state go? :)  It's like a friend
of mine used to say:  "you can't fall off of the floor".

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Subject:      Re: Will rape be a federal offense??
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On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:53:00 EDT Travis Kidd said:
>Well, I read in the paper that the Congress is considering a
>Violence Against Women act, which will basically make rape and
>spouse-beating a federal crime.  The justification: if it can
>be proven the victim was chosen because of gender, it is a hate
>crime, and therefore falls under federal jurisdiction.
>I DON'T GET IT!!!!

Don't forget who sponsored the bill:  Biden.  Since his name is
going to be forever remembered as the one who presided over
the Thomas hearings and came across as an overbearing moron, he's
got to do something to try to redeem himself; i.e. he smurfed up
and is trying to make up for it.

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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 12:55:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: perot

        Also how many candidates for President come down to a month before
the election without having a Vice-Presidential candidate.  Perot's attitude
seems to be that it's none of anybody's business.  I wonder how many other
subjects will come under that catagory.

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
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From: jwales@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jimmy donal wales)
Subject: Darn
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:23:03 GMT

I wrote a great letter this morning.  It was really snide.  In
it, I expressed my appreciation that finally someone with a good
understanding of economics had appeared on the list.  I was
referring to JasonZ.

I asked him for help on my homework.  Basically, the joke was that
I used all kinds of wild jargon that I'm well aware he knows nothing
about!

But, like the idiot that I sometimes am, I sent it to him directly
instead of to the list.

So pretend that this is that letter and laugh hard now.

Thanks.

--Jimbo


p.s. Jason... could you forward that letter to the list?
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From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: HR 1674
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On Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:47:48 EST Kerry Stephenson said:
>MacPhil:  You need to read "The Puzzle Palace."

>*Then* ask me again about the NSA.

by George Bamford.  Shall I go retrieve my copy and look inside the
cover and tell you when I bought it? (I write purchase dates inside
the covers of books)

I had an interesting experience regarding this book and a potential
job opportunity there about eight or nine years ago and a former
boss was an NSA'er

>BTW, we had a career roundtable here one time, and one of the tables
>was NSA.  There were two people there, at one table, which had nothing
>on it but a sign that said "National Security Agency."  They were
>taking names of people who might be interested in working for them.
>I asked if they had any literature about what they did or describing
>the agency.
>
>They said no.  It was very weird.

I remember seeing them @ an ACM career conference right after they
"came out of the closet" and no one was interviewing /c them
because know one else seemed to know who they were.  Lest you think
it was because of their shady activities, there was a two hour
wiating line @ the CIA and FBI lines.

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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:36:46 -0400
From:         "Jill Norman Bialecki,
              CSU Information Systems" <NORMAN@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Subject:      Seeking infant mortality stats
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Does anyone still have the post which contained infant mortality stats?  It
probably had a subject which started "The Decline of America...".  If so, would
you send it to me?

Thanks,
Jill

NORMAN@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:46:35 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Hillary at Akron U. This Friday

Hillary Clinton is going to be here this Friday.  Does anyone have any
serious questions for her?

Evelyn Duncan
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:53:31 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Jefferson's new party affiliation

On Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:45:59 EDT Tim Johnson said:
>>If Jefferson were alive today he would be a Republican.
>
>  Good lord, do you know *nothing* about Jefferson or
>American History?  Jefferson was a Virginian.  No
>Virginian who was alive in the 1860's would *ever*
>be a Republican.
>
>                          -Tim

Tim, if Jefferson were alive in the 1860's, he'd be a miracle worker!

Evelyn Duncan
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 10:34:28 EDT
From:         Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      It's Not Funny

Oh, sure, laugh all you want, Gary and Missy.

In the mean time, Henry Kissinger and the Tri-Lateral Commission, in
league with the World Bank, are in the process of destroying the
industrial support necessary for the development of particle beam
weapons. They've already managed to take several political prisoners,
using trumped-up charges of credit card fraud. And I think they killed
Ted Weiss. And Millicent Fenwick.

If you two aren't cryptobolsheviks, you'd better come to your senses
soon or it will be too late. You'll be laughing in the gulag. (You don't
believe that media scam about the breakup of the USSR, do you?)

Jamie

p.s. Bobby Fischer will back up 84% of what I've said. He has astutely
     pointed out that Zionism is a front for Communism, and Communism
     is a front for Bolshevism. It all starts to make sense, doesn't it?
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From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: HR 1674

>* - Those of you with old TVs have cellular receivers.  They're
>grandfathered for now.

i don't know much about electronics....how is an old tv a cellular receiver?
how old is old?
-linda (does this mean they can *hear* me *watching*? how boring :))
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              You Squeeze Too Hard andthe Head Comes Out!!"
              <STUSTITH@EKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Decline of America: Intervention, Militarization,
              and Wars (II)

pt. 2

 The reason for that is the fact that every major power is
and has always been looking for new markets nad resources... this intervnetion
is not really done in other nations because they can't afford too....
or they do a better job of concealing it. Every if one goes back to the days
of great colonization.. it was the same thing.. it's just that today
it's a bit tougher to just go in and take over the barbarians cause most
of them have been through it once!
                      John Stith
                       Stustith
                          @eku
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:55:21 EDT
From:         Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Education and money

Hey, so does my American Heritage Dictionary!
So I guess that must be what it means.

But it's still a horrible word.
Don't use an extra "ate" just for the hell of it.

Words of wisdom brought to you by Jamie
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Subject:      Re: Education and money

>        I think people all over are really jealous of gifted people.

I agree, but I also think that "normal" people are afraid of the
gifted.

>                                        Chris Morrison

j.b.
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:05:32 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Thomas Jefferson and the Civil War

Let's take Tim's suggestion about Thomas Jefferson living in the 1860's
and run with it.  What would Jefferson have thought about the politics
of the 1860's, the secession of the South, and the Civil War itself?

Evelyn Duncan
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