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From: emev02@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Oral)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: iNSAN iRADESi VE iSLAM
Date: 25 Dec 92 15:31:59 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Dec24184210.AA17016@me.unda.edu> kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp) writes:

SECME SACMALAR:
=================

>  Insan iradesinin olmadigini, herseyin Allah'in emirleri dogrultusunda
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  gerceklesmesi gerektigini one suren Islam, Kuran'daki hatalari
>  reddeder ve Kuran'a kesinlikle uyulmasi gerektigini emreder. Kucuk bir
                                                                ^^^^^^^^^
>  insan topluluguna gore ve belirli bir bolge icin ortaya cikmis olan
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  Islam'in buyuk kitleleri yonetmek icin gerekli dinamik politikayi
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  baskisiz gudemeyecegi asikardir. Cunku Islam dini duragandir ve kimse 
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  bunu degistiremez.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>

Sacmalar %80 sinirini da asmis.  Durum gittikce fecaatlesiyor :-).

> saygilarimla
:-(

> ------------
> kaya
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: "George William Herbert" goes to Washington D.C.
Date: 3 Jan 93 01:59:15 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <9301021613@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
 > In article <1hu1erINNsct@agate.berkeley.edu> gwh@soda.berkeley.edu (George William Herbert) writes:
 > 
 > >The system administrator of anatolia.mn.org is(was) Hasan B. Mutlu,
 > 
 > As usual, it is a blatant lie.
 > 
Now you are confusing me.  George admitted in a later posting that he
was confused and intended to use the name of Cosar.  You disagreed
earlier that confusion.  So what is true?  Is the system
administrator Cosar (to which you disagree) or Hasan B. Mutlu,
which you expose as a lie?
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland; e-mail: dik@cwi.nl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: oug6486@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Onder Uluyol)
Subject: Not How; but first, Why
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 22:01:57 GMT



excerpts from Milestones by Sayed Qutb

"...it (Islam) first looks at the prevailing conditions, and if it
finds a viable society which, according to its form, conditions or
temperament, is a Muslim society, which has submitted itself to the
law of God and is weary of laws emanating from other sources, then
indeed this religion provides a method for the legislation of laws
according to the needs of such a society.
	People who demand from Islam that it provide theories, and 
that it provide a completed constitution for its system, and that
it provide laws, while thay observe that there is not a single 
society on earth which has rejected man-made systems and agreed to
enforce the Shari'ah, in addition to having political power for such
enforcement, show that they are ignorant of the character of this 
religion and the way it operates in life. They are also ignorant of
the purpose for which God revealed His religion.
	What these people want is that Islam change its character, its
method and its history and be reduced to the level of ordinary human 
theories and laws. They want a short-cut solution to satisfy their
immediate desires, which are simply a product of the defeatist mentality
in their spirits in the face of valueless, man-made laws. They want Islam
to become a mere collection of abstractions and theories, the subject of
whose application is non-existent conditions. But the course prescribed 
by God for this religion is the same as it was earlier. First, belief
ought to be imprinted on the hearts and rule over consequences - that
belief which demands that people should not bow before anyone except
God or derive laws from any other source. Then, when such a group of 
people is ready and also gains practical control of the society, various
laws will be legislated according to the practical needs of the society.
	This is what God has intended for this religion. It cannot be 
other than what God intends, no matter what people desire."
From: hermi@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Democracy in Islam (Re: Thoughts/discussion with Mark Hubey
Date: 24 Dec 1992 22:03:36 -0500
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

How does Mr. Hubey understand 'bay'a' or oath of allegiance, isn't it nothing
but a form of vote.  Now, the Muslim community would decide what is true
Islam and what is not, it has always done that and it does not need an official
clergy.  The beauty of Islam, is that the rulers have not been able to force
their views on the Ummah and it will never, and the best example would be that
of the  Mu'tazilates and how they tried to force their views by might but 
were eventually defeted.
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: itvfc
Date: 25 Dec 1992 11:40:52 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

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From: ne10@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Nermin  Eren)
Subject: Re: Unity in Thought, language or DOMINATION
Reply-To: ne10@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Nermin  Eren)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 11:06:34 GMT

In article <01GSUJ1UXWWY006MJF@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU> RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT) writes:
>
>ne10@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Nermin  Eren) WROTE:
>>+<> Subject: Re: Unity in Thought, language or DOMINATION 
>>+<>  From: ne10@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Nermin  Eren),
>>+<>  Columbia University Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 10:54:56 GMT
>>+<>  
>>+<>  In article <01GSRJIHFKF6006MJF@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU>
>>+<>  RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.ED U (REMZI CIRIT) writes:
>>+<>  #######################################################################

[deleted]


Mr.Cirit,

Unity in language means speakink for a better life.
Unity in thought means thinking for a better life.
Unity in work means working for a better life.

That's the idea behind it and I stand by it. However, I don't understand why
everything has to be considered within the frames of politics. I know it is 
difficult but not imposible.


[deleted]

>  
>I think what I meant by the rose was expressed by Suleyman Kondakci. It
 Be sure

>you should be ready for challlenge from other people. 
>
>Remzi Cirit

Agree, but it should not be just by questions, because it's easy.

>
>==========================================================================
>                                                 Remzi Cirit
>                    ^    ^
>                      /\   //\             It's not denial!
>        l\___/\      /  \ // .\             I'm just very selective about
>        /O  O .\__  /    //  | \ \                   the reality I accept
>       /  U  /  \/_/    //   |  \  \
>       @___@'    \/_   //    |   \   \
>          |       \/_ //     |    \    \
>          |        \///      |     \     \
>         _|_ /   )  //       |      \     _\
>        '/,_ _ _/  ( ; -.    |    _ _\.-~        .-~\~\-.
>        ,-{        _      `-.|.-~-.           .~ \  / / /`.
>         '/\      /              /  ~-. _ .-~\   / .-~^-./ \
>            `.   {            }  \   \   \   /   \/      \/ \
>          .----~-.\        \-'   /   /   /   \ .~         \ /`. \^-.
>        ////.----..>    c   \    \   \   \_ -~             `. /^-`\\\^-_
>          ////-._ _ _ _ _ _ _}^ - - - - ~                     ~--,////.-~

What does this mean? A dragon carrying pyramids somewhere???

>                                                                 /.-~
>
>==========================================================================

Hurmetlerimle,

Nermin
---
Dilde, fikirde, iste birlik.
Unity in language, in thought, in work.
Ismail Gaspirali (1851-1914)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: eluyten@rc1.vub.ac.be (Eric)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: 'Pol*pol' has been practicing Goebels' rule quite loyally.
Date: 29 Dec 92 11:18:55 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Brussels Free Universities (VUB/ULB), Belgium

In article <9212241739@zuma.UUCP>, sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
|> 
|> Dr. Goebels thought that a lie repeated enough times could finally 
|> be believed...

... pot ... kettle ...

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Subject: Re: Turk=Musluman Degildir (**maestro**)
Keywords: none
Reply-To: suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:29:22 GMT

In article <3499.9212211326@thor.cf.ac.uk>, spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G
Cetiner 92) writes:
> In article <1992Dec21.120130.14557@ulrik.uio.no> suley@bilbo.uio.no
(Suleyman Kondakci) writes:
> |Yahu bay{an}lar ne kadar zor dinle irki birbirinden ayirmak!
> |
> |Irkimiz=Turk.
> |Dinimiz=Ataturk
> What about Kurt
       ^^^^^^^^^^
	Bana ne bulsunlar kendilerine bir din!
	Hakki kocakelle "din" bulmakta ustadir, belki yardim eder.

	I guess, you handle  turkish well (mr. chomooo) !
> 
> |
> |Irklari=Arab
> |Dinleri=Muhammed
> |
> |Irklari=Yahudi
> |Dinleri=Isa
>         Do you mean Moses?
	I guess, you handle  turkish well (mr. chomooo) !
> |
> |Bu kadar basit
> |
> |Selam getirmisem
> |Suleyman
> |
> 
> First, you should learn the concept 'Din' and then you will throw
your
> rubbish.  
	Do not get aggresive, life is short, think of your weak heart!

Suleyman
> 
> Beytullah

-- 
	"Too many small smarmy monks around, I love them, however."
       		                                   Ishak Shalikom
From: mzf@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Firat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Happy new year
Date: 22 Dec 92 11:16:01 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu)
Subject: Re: ERBAKAN HOCA ve EKONOMIK PROGRAMI (Islamcilardan secmeler)
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Rochester
	<MUCIT.92Dec24121419@slate.cs.rochester.edu>
	<25442.9212241945@thor.cf.ac.uk>
Date: 24 Dec 92 20:23:36

In article <25442.9212241945@thor.cf.ac.uk> spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92) writes:
> |Kur'an'in ne ne sekilde dgerlendirilmesi gerektiginde pek farkli dusunmuyoruz.
> |Benim ogrenmek istedigim "Islami isler" yapacagiz diye ortaya cikanlarin
> |yapacaklari "Islami islerin" ve kuracaklari "yeni duzenin" simdiki duzenden
> |ne farki oldugudur.  Anladigim kadariyla bunu siz bilmiyorsunuz.  Bilen
> |birisi varsa sunu bize bir anlatsin.
>
>  Bulent bey, 
>  Kur'an ve sunnet rehberliginde toplumda her alanda ekonomiden, insanlar
>  arasi ili$kiye kadar adaletin temin edilmesi; akleden insanin $iari
>  olduguna gore problem bu i$in yapilmasinda yeni yeni uygulamalari
>  getirmek, Allah'in insanlara verdigi kabiliyetleri kullanmaktir. 

Anliyorum.  Ortada  biz sistemi degistirmek ve Islami bir sistem getirmek
istiyoruz diyen kisiler olduguna gore  onlar bu kabiliyetleri kullanip
bir sistem gelistirmisler.  Ben de bunun simdiki duzenden farki nedir sunu
bana acikca bir anlatin diye bir soru sordum.  Anladigim kadariyla,
bu sistemin inanani cok bileni yok.  Simdi benim de bir miktar aklim var,
birisi cikip bana "anladigim, bildigim inandigim cok iyi bir sistem var,
bunu bizim memlekete uygulamak istiyorum" dedigi zaman, ben de "neymis
o sistem, bana simdikinden farkini bir anlat bakalim" diyorum.  Bilmiyorum
insanin methini duydugu birseyin ne oldugunu ogrenmek istemesi akilsizlik mi?


>  Bu konuda soylenebilecek cok soz var onlari ekonomist arkada$lara
>  birakiyorum. Fakat $unu belirtmeden gecemeyecegim. Butun ilim dallarinda
>  Allah'in ahkamindan ve Rasulullah (SAV) efendimizden habersiz insanlarin
>  getirecegi uygulamalar kuvvete dayananin kazanmasi ve gucsuzun ezilmesi
>  $eklinde olacaktir. O oyle bir rehberdir ki akledemeyen insanlar ondan
>  mahrum olduklarindan random walk ornegindeki gibi bir o yana bir bu yana
>  donup dururlar. 

Beytullah bey, bu soylediklerinizi anliyorum (kusura bakmayin, katilmiyorum.
cok kisa bir ornek: bir toplum dusunun ki Islamdan hic haberi yok ama 
oturmuslar karar vermisler "gucsuzleri ezmeyecegiz, gucsuzlere yardim
edecegiz" diye bir karar vermisler ve uyguluyorlar.  Bence bu mumkun.). 
Ben sadece "aklettiklerini" ima eden birtakim kisilerin mevcut duzenin
neresini ne sekilde degistireceklerini merak ediyorum.

[sonrasini sildim]

BM
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: ERBAKAN HOCA ve EKONOMIK PROGRAMI (Islamcilardan secmeler)
Date: 24 Dec 92 19:45:06 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

|
|Kur'an'in ne ne sekilde dgerlendirilmesi gerektiginde pek farkli dusunmuyoruz.
|Benim ogrenmek istedigim "Islami isler" yapacagiz diye ortaya cikanlarin
|yapacaklari "Islami islerin" ve kuracaklari "yeni duzenin" simdiki duzenden
|ne farki oldugudur.  Anladigim kadariyla bunu siz bilmiyorsunuz.  Bilen
|birisi varsa sunu bize bir anlatsin.

Bulent bey, 
Kur'an ve sunnet rehberliginde toplumda her alanda ekonomiden, insanlar
arasi ili$kiye kadar adaletin temin edilmesi; akleden insanin $iari
olduguna gore problem bu i$in yapilmasinda yeni yeni uygulamalari
getirmek, Allah'in insanlara verdigi kabiliyetleri kullanmaktir. 
Bu konuda soylenebilecek cok soz var onlari ekonomist arkada$lara
birakiyorum. Fakat $unu belirtmeden gecemeyecegim. Butun ilim dallarinda
Allah'in ahkamindan ve Rasulullah (SAV) efendimizden habersiz insanlarin
getirecegi uygulamalar kuvvete dayananin kazanmasi ve gucsuzun ezilmesi
$eklinde olacaktir. O oyle bir rehberdir ki akledemeyen insanlar ondan
mahrum olduklarindan random walk ornegindeki gibi bir o yana bir bu yana
donup dururlar. Kapitalist ve sosyalist sistemlerin her ikisinde de
haklinin degil kuvvetlinin yasalarinin i$lemesi hep buna dayanir. Islam
nizami Rasulullah (SAV) zamaninda ozu anla$ildi ve altin nesli kurdu. 
Ve O nu ba$taci edenler de rehberliginden anlayabildikleri ve
cali$tiklari oranda ba$arili olacaklardir elbet.

Beytullah



|
|BM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: johnm@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (John Males)
Subject: Re: Recalling in sorrow the silent memory of 2.5 million Muslim people.
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 06:22:46 GMT

In <9301021409@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

>In article <199301020340.AA10170@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>>Hoping but not convinced,

>Well, "sipas" bark, but the caravan goes on. Now, let's take Sarkis 
>Atamian's (an Armenian Dashnak sociolog) book, "The Armenian Community", 
>pages 97 and 105. Atamian quotes:

Serdar,

Must you post every single article you write into so many newsgroups? What does
this article, for example, have to do with soc.culture.croatia?

John

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp)
Subject: GORUNMEZ ASKERLER VE DENEYEN ALLAH
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:06:20 GMT


Hz. Muhammed zamaninda yapilan savaslardan once, Muhammed'in savascilara
Allah'in yardim edecegini soyledigini goruyoruz. Savas kazanildiginda
Muhammed, inananlarin Allah'in yardimiyla kazandiklarini, savas
kaybedildiginde de Allah'in denemek icin onlara azab verdigini soylemis.
Bu konudan gerek Kuran'da gerekse hadis kitaplarinda sIk sIk bahsedilir.

Asagidaki ayet Huneyn bozgunu sonrasinda indirilmis bir ayettir. Huneyn
savasinda peygamber ve ordusu buyuk bir bozguna ugramistir. Inananlarin buyuk
kisminin ya esir dustugunu ya da oldurugunu biliyoruz. Peygamber ve yakinlari
kacmayi basarmislar. Ayrica Muhammed, kacabilmelerinin nedenini de Allah'in 
indirdigi gorunmez askerlere bagliyor.

Tevbe Suresi
 25 And olsun ki Allah size bir cok yerlerde, coklugunuzun sizi
    boburlendirdigi fakat bir faydasi da olmadigi, yeryuzunun genis olmasina
    ragmen size dar gelip de bozularak arkaniza dondugunuz Huneyn gununde
    yardim etmisti.
 26 BOZGUNDAN SONRA ALLAH, PEYGAMBERINE, MUMINLERE GUVENLIK VERDI VE
    GORMEDIGINIZ ASKERLER INDIRDI; INKAR EDENLERI AZABA UGRATTI.
    Inkarcilarin cezasi budur.

saygilarimla
------------
kaya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: emev02@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Oral)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: ERBAKAN HOCA ve EKONOMIK PROGRAMI (Islamcilardan secmeler)
Date: 25 Dec 92 12:42:43 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


There has been a lot of mailings back and forth by people who are not qualified
about Islamic Economy including me.  Since neither are we qualified nor
do we have time to seek references, let me repeat my point which is related
to two aspects which has nothing to do with Islamic Economics:

1.  Present banking practice      2.  An unjust phenomena

In present banking system, a man who puts a certain amount to the bank
receives the money+a FIXED amount at the end of a period.  The fixed
amount is gained WITHOUT RISK since the bank is the guarantor.

Now, my questions are:

IS IT JUST FOR A MAN TO MAKE MONEY WITH HIS MONEY WITHOUT ANY RISK?

WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM?

Realise that I have not given an alternative, and only criticised.
However this is the first step, and if we are all willing to look
for an alternative, then we can discuss the further steps.  Then
we may search for references.

The first question does not require any background, since it is
a moral question.

The second requires some background, but let us see if people
can see it through by logic.

Please be to the point in your answers so that we may benefit rather
than going around facit circles.

Regards,
Hamid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast
From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: t.p.m. is boring
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 04:44:27 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

maler@pelvoux.imag.fr (Oded Maler) writes:
: About once in a year I make the mistake of browsing thru t.p.m.
: postings. And as Kohelet (Ecclestias ?) said: nothing new under 
: the Sun. Instead of some constructive discussion about the 
: possible future of the region, we see just a propaganda war
: among individuals and even organizations (btw, where has last
: year's good old ARF disappeared?) trying to win(?) points in
:
ARF like you is pretty bored for the same reasons.  Only because my
system is down and there is nothing else to read did I stumble upon
this.  

js
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis)
Subject: Re: "Palik" tango.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:36:04 GMT

sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

>In article <BzMMKn.IFK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis) writes:

>>My cursing in the net was my reaction to a few repeated postings in 
>>Turkish. As I have told you in the past I do not curse people for no
>>reason. 

>When you have finished cursing I'd suggest you answer the points 
>scholars raised below.

Argic, remember when I posted some Cypriot folk sayings which come to
mind whenever I start reading your posts:

Kamela klavei sto Pevtakwmo.
( A Camel farts at Pentakwmo)

Pou sou vefkw pou paeis?
(Where am I signaling you to go and where are you going?)

These plus a few others.....

You are completely irrelevant, you have no idea what is 
hapening around you.  

Dev pairveis xapari.
You have no hambar.
-- 
Michalis Syrimis
University of Illinois
Urbana-Champaign