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Subject: REVIEW: Blackhouse
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:43:54 EST
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well, my Christmas break went well. i've decided that Arizona is the
perfect place for me. not only is my true love there, but the sun 
actually has the audacity to -shine- and one can find '67 Mustang 
coupes that haven't been destroyed by road slush.

music is also a lot easier to find than it is in toledo. browsing 
through the indie racks at Tower i actually found a copy of 
Blackhouse's CD Material World.

first off, Blackhouse is industrial. it is -not- dance/industrial.
it is not speed metal with a few samples tacked on. it's the original-
flavor bang-on-pipes stuff.

there are 6 songs, and the whole CD clocks in at 50+ minutes. the 
first three, Material World, Chains of Love and Word are in the 
standard 4-6 minute range. the last three, Double O 777, Journey
to the Son and Finale are all much longer. the longest, Double O 777, 
is around 20 minutes long.

the music is very percussive. lots of stark booms and bangs which 
often seem to repeat until the sequencer gets so tired of them and it 
skips on to the next program. this is all overlayed with the standard 
industrial squeaks, squeals and puppie dogs tails, not to mention a 
few snippets of distorted vocals.

i'm actually not sure how much i like this yet. i first got into 
industrial through more mainstream secular bands. in the last year
there have been a number of Christian bands to explore that 
territory. but Blackhouse has a lot more in common with Skinny Puppy 
than it does to Nine Inch Nails or Mortal. so it will (for me at least)
take a bit of getting used to.

one nice thing is that Material World is copyright 1990. this is well 
before any other Christian bands started getting into the scene. 
Blackhouse represents the most authentic and least commercialized of 
Christian industrial. it's nice to see some of the roots & realize
that CCM doesn't have to be published by some subsidiary of Word to
be quality, original stuff.

i'm going to play Material World regularly & see if it doesn't grow 
on me. twenty minute, loosely structured songs are more fit for 
ambient play than radio fame. of course, few people want to pop a 
disk of factory noise onto the stereo. but it might distract my mind 
from the fact that i'm stuck in a place where the sun never shines, i 
can't get any hugs, and it's colder than hell will be after i win the 
Reader's Digest sweepstakes.

jason

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From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Album Review:  Out Of The Grey:  "The Shape Of Grace"
Date: 4 Jan 1993 22:51:55 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
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In article <0fG58n200YUoQ8Fkwe@andrew.cmu.edu>, st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm) writes:
|> This is Out Of The Grey's second album, again produced by Charlie Peacock,
|> released on Sparrow.  Out of the Grey is the husband and wife team of 
|> Christine (vocals) and Scott (guitar+vocals) Dente.  
|> 
|> The basic characteristics that made their first album so good are still here.
|> Deep and involved guitar harmonies, searching lyrics, and artistically
|> delivered vocals.  There is, however, more of a band sound to this album,
|> also Scott gets a solo vocal on a good chunk of one song. 
|> 
|> Those who have heard O.O. T. G perform live know that Scott does all the
|> band sounds with his guitar in live performance.  On this album that 
|> will be harder to do.
|> 
|> This is an album that fans of the group should not miss.  But it's lacking
|> something that the original did, maybe just the fact that it's not a 
|> new sound this time around.   Steve's rating:  three thistles.

Kind of along the lines of what I thought.  

I also thought... I wonder what this album would have sounded like if
Charlie Peacock didn't produce it? I'm wondering if it would be
astoundingly original and absolutely awesome?!  IMO, the 'well
produced' nature of this album squelches some of the wonderfully
refreshing raw energy I've seen in their concerts.

I really love their 'live' sound... I would love to get	a more of that
sound on their albums.

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From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: More music for sale
Keywords: Some new, some old
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:30:28 GMT

Due partly to the fact that my last post was done during the holidays and
therefore may have not been read by some readers and partly because I 
found some more cassettes that I can get rid of, I am reposting this.

Again, I am looking for $3-4 for each cassette, but I'm very negotiable.
I also have one CD for sale.  For further info, E-mail me at:
nestabro@nova.gmi.edu

CD
Sacred Warrior - Master's Command (Metal)

Cassettes
Marcellino/Navarro - Third Heaven (Jazz)
Scott James - Brick (CCM - Bryan D'ish)
Michael Card - Final Word (Easy CCM))
Paul Johnson & the Packards - California (Instrumental Beatles' type)
Kenny Marks - Right Where You are (CCM)
Sceptre - Rise to Power (Metal)
Keith Thomas - Instrumental Appetite (Jazz, Piano)
Servant - Swimming in a Human Ocean (?)
Praise - You Are Here (praise)
Phillip Sandifer - On My Way (Easy)
Phillip Sandifer - Keeping the Dream Alive
Justus - Someone's Waiting (White Heartish)
Tramaine Hawkins - The Joy that Floods My Soul (Gospel)
Michael Gleason - Voices from the Old World (?)
Various - East Coast Metal
Malachia - Red Sunrise (Metal)
Bloodgood - Detonation
Andre Crouch - Autograph (Gospel)
Scott Roley - Brother to Brother (CCM)
Matthew Ward - Armed and Dangerous (CCM)
Barnabas - Approaching Light Speed (Heavier)
Armada - Black & White (Metal)
Greg X Volz - Come Out Fighting (CCM)
Contagious - Be Ready (Metal)

I have a couple more, but they're at my office right now.

As I said before (and as you can tell by the ?) most of these have hardly
ever been played, some not at all.  Make an offer.

--
Noel Estabrook			|	Knowledge without action is like
nestabro@nova.gmi.edu         --|--     snow on a hot stove.
Instructional Design & Tech.    |     
Michigan State University       |               Romans 12:2
From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is "Hotel California" evil?
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:38:42 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan5.014711.13957@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>
>yep, a genuinely musical question.
>My wife had the local radio station on - the one for middle-aged white men
>(why SHE likes it, I don't know), and they had a program on the music of
>the Eagles. I've liked some of their songs, but I always got a bit of a
>creepy feeling when I hear "hotel california." now, i'm not one always 
>looking for demons, but is this song demonic in some way? I asked this to
>a friend and he mentioned something about Anton LeVay. Who's that? 
>Any opinions on "Hotel California"?


Well, here's my $0.02.  I've heard that H.C. was evil for a long time, 
primarily from those 'evil beat' type videos.  The evidence is that 

1)  Anton LeVay, reknowned Satanist (maybe founder of the 'religion'?), 
	or a reasonable facsimilie (sp?) thereof, is standing in the
	window of the hotel on the album cover.

2)  The year 1969 ('we haven't had that spirit here since 1969') was of
	some importance to the Satanic church.  Perhaps the dedication of
	the satanic church in San Francisco, or something like that.

3)  'I could hear the mission bell'  The satanic church in S.F. is supposed
	to be within earshot of a Christian mission hall or something.

4)  'Just can't kill the beast,'  'You can check out any time you like
	but you can never leave,'  other lyrics that can be taken in
	a Satanic sense.

I don't think there's any backmasking or anything of that sort.  It's basically
an interpretive thing.

I personally love the song, and i always took it as a metaphor for drug abuse
(like Life in the Fast Lane).  I have no problem with it, though others 
might.  Any comments, anyone?  

JRjr
-- 
'What did you say, what did you do, when they asked ya, who are you?
 Did you tell 'em who you know?  Did you hear that rooster crow?  How will
 you answer?  Where will you go?  Have you heard that rooster crow?' - REZ
#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
From: 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Hey, Screamin' Diane
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:44:27 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

Getting back to screamin' Diane...

I was the guitarist for a rock group called Bret Cook and Exodus,
in central Indiana. We travelled around indiana, but some in michigan, 
ohio, and tennessee (nashville).  The singer, Bret Cook, now has produced 
an independent albumproject and his backers (read: the people with money)
are shopping it to labels.  So I still play guitar with him as a hire on
when he travels, but we let the band last spring.

About expression; one of the greatest compliments I ever received while on the
road was when a guy came up to me after a show and said somehting like,
'Man, you just play with so much feeling.  I loved it'.

I think he used the word 'dude' about 6 times in the ensuing conversation as
well. 

Anyway, it was a stark contrast, getting rebuked for it...

Anyone know any reasonably accomplished (meaning no kids...) groups in the 
Indiana area looking for a guitarist?  I have studio experience (a couple of 
albums and sessions) and a good deal of road experience. 


Fodder for thought-  I once saw an ad on a billboard at a music store about
some guy that had wanted to start a christian Blues band. 

A friend of mine, a blues guitarist named Governor Davis (group: Governor 
Davis and the Blues Ambassadors, who have been trying to get me to play but 
I hate the smoky club blues scene...), wondered how can people doing Gospel 
music sing the Blues??

I think this would be cool, the best example being Mark Farner's
Judgment Day Blues.  But, how many BLUES songs can you really sing?

I mean, Buddy Guy didn't exactly write stuff like, 'Got my soul saved, yeah,
but my baby just left town...'.

Any takers?



Scott Naylor (slogan - Will Play Guitar for Food)
University Computing Services
Ball State University
Muncie, Indiana
From: RC.DAN@forsythe.stanford.edu (Dan Pollak)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: boxed sets
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:41:15 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
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From: bsells@world.std.com (Bryan L Sells)
Subject: boxed sets

I just got the "Hitsville, U.S.A." Motown boxed set for Christmas.  It's very
good.  And it got me wondering...

Are there corresponding boxed sets for any of the OTHER giant record companies
of the founders of the funk era - Atlantic?  Philly International?  Stax?

BRYAN
bsells@world.std.com
617-267-1988


There is a seven-volume "History of Atlantic Rhythm and Blues"
series which is, I believe, also sold as a boxed set.  I would
particularly recommend vols. 5 and 6.  Alot of the earlier stuff
cannot be called funk by any stretch, but some of it is quite good.
 Ray Charles is worth his own boxed set ("The Birth of Soul", also
on Atlantic).

-dp
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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: James Brown/Bowie question
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 15:45:06 GMT

In <1993Jan8.000329.2202@sfu.ca> knott@sfu.ca (Dave Knott) writes:
>It's also interesting to note that not only are the backing musicians for  
>"Hot" not identified in the Star Time booklet, but JB is the only person  
>given writing credits for the thing. Also, given that "Fame" was released  
>before "Hot" was recorded, I think that James probably got the all of the  
>music (except for the the horn section) by either copying or sampling from  
>"Fame" and just adding his own vocals.

He would have had to borrow a copy of the backing tracks, I think, because
there is no trace of the Bowie vocals, even in bits where there would be if
it was simply dubbed.

I suppose his band was talented enough to be able to duplicate the sound
by copying it, but it's SO close I think it's more likely to have been a
borrow.  Someone should ask Bowie.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                She was the kind of woman who lived for others.
                You could tell the others by their hunted look.
From: erick@legend.akron.oh.us (ERIC KIRKLAND)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Easy-E
Reply-To: erick@legend.akron.oh.us
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     Does anyone know when the long awaited Easy E tape/cd will be coming
out?  I saw the EP but was wondering win the full tape will be out.

Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
From: canete@stingray.micro.umn.edu (Jose Jacala Canete)
Subject: Breakout!
Keywords: Swing Out Sister, remix
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:45:46 GMT

Well, I've got the "New Rockin' Version" or something like that remix
of Swing Out Sister's "Breakout", but I'm more interested in this
other mix called the "Carnival mix", which I used to hear in the dance
clubs before (4-5 years ago?) but haven't been able to obtain on CD.
Anyone out there with info, please post here or email me.  Thanks.

What's new from this duo??  Have they released a new single from their
latest CD??  When I watched them in concert almost 3 years ago, they
sang a "carnival mix" of "Waiting Game", something which again, never
found its way into the CD shops.

Jojo Canete
jcanete@physics.spa.umn.edu

"I ain't takin' no 'mo of dis crap!!!" -- Christos Velissaris



Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
From: trones@dxcern.cern.ch (Jostein Lodve Trones)
Subject: Timmy Tomas' Sade video
Keywords: Timmy Tomas, Sade, Dancing
Reply-To: trones@dxcern.cern.ch (Jostein Lodve Trones)
Organization: CERN, European Laboratory for Particle Physics, Geneva
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:09:46 GMT


A couple of times I have seen the video of Timmy Tomas' version of
the beautiful Sade song "Why can't we live together". His version is
quite different from hers, but still a very nice song in my opinion.

But what I was actually going to talk about was, or rather is, the dancing we see from time to time in the video. I do not like swing or rock'n'roll dancing,
it seems quite boring and monotonous to me (no flames please :-), but the
dancing these two guys and two girls are doing is breathtaking! I mean, it
is so cool! 

I discussed with a couple of friends, and we was wondering what kind of 
dancing this really is. Our guess is that it is some sort of pre-rock'n'roll
dancing, I feel it is kind'o 1920-1930 style. But I might be fooled by the
outfit of the guys, they look almost like Feed Astaire. Come to think about it
the dancing reminds me somewhat of Fred A. aswell...

So, anyone out there with any comments on this video and dancing? 
Any comments on Timmy Tomas? (Never heard about him before)
Anyone got the possibility to fix me a copy of the video?

Thank you!

Cheers,
	Jostein
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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Bowie @ James Brown
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:55:53 GMT

In <1993Jan06.103505.2013@jabaru.cec.edu.au> d06448@tanus.oz.au (Argyrios Karavis) writes:
>The story about 'Hot' and 'Fame' goes something like this. Carlos Alomar, who
>was pulled in by Bowie for the recording of YOUNG AMERICANS had come off a
>stint with James brown before the recording sessions. If I am correct Alomar
>may have been involved in the recording of 'Hot' as well as 'Fame'. With Bowie
>going soulful he decided to use the basic riff from 'Hot' for the song.

How does this mesh with the fact that Fame was released before Hot was
recorded?  Was Hot a James touring number before he recorded it?

It's not just like the basic riff was there (the guitar bit) but the
drums and all the backing parts are the same.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
         Her voice sounded like something that lurks in the long grass,
                   visible only by the twitching of its ears,
                  until something young and tender wobbles by.
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
From: canete@barnacle.micro.umn.edu (Jose Jacala Canete)
Subject: Swing Out ...
Keywords: video, Billboard #
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:16:35 GMT

Guys, I was just wondering, did Swing Out Sister ever release a video
for the song "Am I the Same Girl" ?  I haven't seen anything so far.
But come to think of it, I don't think they had any video for songs
from the Kaleidoscope World CD.

And did the same song get into the top 40 or top 100 on Billboard?

Jojo Canete
jcanete@mvax.spa.umn.edu

"I ain't takin' no 'mo of dis crap!!!" -- Christos Velissaris
From: x551_005@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Whatever Happened To...
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:31:46 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin


Disco Freaks, Funksters, Hipsters etc,


           Anyone out there in BoomShakaLaka-BoomShakaLaka Land
the night ... Miss Grace Jones? Just what happened since Slave to the Rythm?
 Annd  I don't mean no Livin' Daylights Shit!

                   Answers on a postcard to.....!


                                          SuperFlyGuy

  A
From: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: boxed sets
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:01:23 GMT
Reply-To: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <1ipqkbINNkfe@morrow.stanford.edu>, RC.DAN@forsythe.stanford.edu (Dan Pollak) writes:
|> Item: rec.music.funky 3410,  Mon, 4 Ja,  17 lines.    (17 items left)
|> From: bsells@world.std.com (Bryan L Sells)
|> Subject: boxed sets
|> 
|> I just got the "Hitsville, U.S.A." Motown boxed set for Christmas.  It's very
|> good.  And it got me wondering...
|> 
|> Are there corresponding boxed sets for any of the OTHER giant record companies
|> of the founders of the funk era - Atlantic?  Philly International?  Stax?
|> 
|> BRYAN
|> bsells@world.std.com
|> 617-267-1988
|> 
|> 
|> There is a seven-volume "History of Atlantic Rhythm and Blues"
|> series which is, I believe, also sold as a boxed set.  I would
|> particularly recommend vols. 5 and 6.  Alot of the earlier stuff
|> cannot be called funk by any stretch, but some of it is quite good.
|>  Ray Charles is worth his own boxed set ("The Birth of Soul", also
|> on Atlantic).
|> 
|> -dp

 There is a box with 9 CD's called "The complete Stax and Volt singles" that 
 includes all singles plus some b-sides up to 1968. Mostly good stuff but it's
 more soul than funk. There is also a compilation of 70Ts Stax funk, but that's 
 just one ceedee. 

 The volumes in the Atlantic series are all(?) double-albums. Vol. 7 is very  
 good with tracks by Spinners, Persuaders etc. 
-- 
********************The revolution will not be computerized*******************
name:Palle Zetterstrand			      e-mail:superfly@etek.chalmers.se
no future without a past"..."There is no future without a past"..."There is no
From: arf@otter.hpl.hp.com (Andrew Farmer)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:25:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Whatever Happened To...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky


In rec.music.funky, x551_005@ccvax.ucd.ie writes:

> the night ... Miss Grace Jones? Just what happened since Slave to the Rythm?
>  Annd  I don't mean no Livin' Daylights Shit!

	Well, there are rumours that she has just been working on an LP
 with Californian right on radical rappers Consolidated.....

	arf
From: jimh@pongo.West.Sun.COM (jim hori)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: Timmy Tomas' Sade video
Keywords: Timmy Tomas, Sade, Dancing
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:24:40 GMT
Distribution: world, rec, usa
Organization: Sun
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In article <1993Jan12.170946.28391@dxcern.cern.ch> trones@dxcern.cern.ch (Jostein Lodve Trones) writes:
>A couple of times I have seen the video of Timmy Tomas' version of
>the beautiful Sade song "Why can't we live together". His version is
>quite different from hers, but still a very nice song in my opinion.

Cough, cough%@#?$! The cat's name is Timmy Thomas, and he did the
original version of the song, not Sade. His version was a hit in
the early 70s.
>
>So, anyone out there with any comments on this video and dancing? 
>Any comments on Timmy Tomas? (Never heard about him before)

I don't have a TV so can't help with the video. Regarding Timmy Thomas;
he was part of the Miami scene in the 70s which included George
McRae ("Rock Your Baby"), KC and the Sunshine Band, Clarence Reid,
(aka Blowfly), Betty Wright, Little Beaver (Willie Hale), Jimmy "Bo" Horne,
etc. "Why Can't We Live Together" was his biggest hit (tip for DJs:
if you have the 7" of this song, flip it over for a cool organ groove
that sounds really cool, especially at 33rpm rather than 45), but he
did make a weak comeback about '84.

....
jimh@west.sun.com
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