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From: nichols@offa.cs.odu.edu (teresa nichols)
Subject: Legal aspects and copyright
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:24:06 GMT


Hi all,

I'm going to give a bit of background to this.

For over 4 years I took pictures of a band (small time, not like Whitney
Houston stuff). I was interested in testing films, camera lenses, etc., in
low light situations, and being able to repeat results continuously over
the changing light situations. Well, I got my photographs copyrighted, and
let the band know. I've never sold any pictures of them for profit, only
to a few of their fans. At an outdoor concert at my alma mater, during the
afternoon, I and only myself got a bit roughed up by the stage manager of
this band. He at first wanted my film, I said no, he tried to take it and
realized I wouldn't give it to him, then forcibly took me out of the
playing area. I went along with this guy. The concert was announced in
public, at a public festival, and I have pictures of people who have never
attended the university who attended, my pictures of the area will show
that there were NO posted notices of any kind saying one could not take
pictures, and I have pictures of people taking pictures of the band.

I had complained that there were others taking pictures, and asked why I
had been singled out, but the management refused to do anything about it.

I also had a friend who told me today that some famous model came and appeared
in a mall, and he went to take pictures of her. She pointed out that the
press was ok, but my friend was not, and the guy was harrassed and then
threatened by people who apparently owned the store and his bouncer. Now my
friend did not cross any "police lines", nor did he try to contact the
model, and was simply taking shots for his own self. If the person is not
trying to make a nuisance of himself, but just taking pictures, in a public
area, is there any legal grounds for this sort of harrassment?

By the way, are there any photographers/lawyers or agencies which one can
write to about these problems, so that those with the "big guns" can settle
things for photographers rights? I don't know if the PPA does this.

Thanks,

Teresa
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: ravoor@cs.iastate.edu (Suresh Babu Ravoor)
Subject: Re: Canon lenses 28-70+70-200 or 28-200 mm
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:54:35 GMT

ravoor@cs.iastate.edu (Suresh Babu Ravoor) writes:

>Hi,
>I was just goin thru the prices on some Canon lenses and noticed that we can get
>an EF 28-200mm for about 250$ while a combination of a 28-70mm and 70-200mm will
>cost about 300$. Is there any performance advantage with any one of these 
>choices. I mean, instinctively it seems that the 28-70mm will give better 
>performance than the 28-200mm for the lower focal length ranges (i.e a wide 
>angle shot with both the lenses will probably look better in the 28-70mm). Thanx
>in advance. Please reply to ravoor@judy.cs.iastate.edu.

It is me again. I just wanted to clarify that I had made a mistake in assuming 
that the 28-200mm lens was from Cannon because it was listed under Cannon and 
lenses for EOS in the advertisement that I saw. Due to the  alert responses
form the net I have come to know that this lens is not from Cannon but from
Cambron. Please execuse my earlier oversight which has caused quite a few to
get surprised. It seems as of now Cannon doesn't have a lens in this range.

Suresh B Ravoor (ravoor@judy.cs.iastate.edu)
All opinions herein have the honour of being solely mine and not necessarily
anyone else's.
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: alix@indetech.com (Alexandria North)
Subject: Re: DEVELOPING ONLY
Keywords: DEVELOPING ONLY
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:56:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.122851.3837@oz.plymouth.edu> brucer@oz.plymouth.edu (Bruce Ritchie) writes:
>>First, is it possible to send a roll of film to a one hour place or
>>to York or some other 'proof print place' (can't call it more than that
>>since the prints usually look pathetic) and ask for the neg's not
>>to be cut and left as a long strip?
>
>	I wouldn't send the film to some cut-rate processor, but
>rather take it either to a `real' camera store or a 1-hour processor
>where you can explain, In Person, just what you want. Remember,
>processors don't cut your negs into short strips until After they've
>made your prints, so you're saving them an extra step...

Is this always true? I ask because of a recent experience with a roll 
I had done by a drugstore. Now, normally I wouldn't use a drugstore for 
processing, but I found that one in my area uses a lab that has color 
balancing as good as or better than a higher-priced lab that was out 
of my way. So, I thought, what the hell. But, when I asked them to 
print 5x7" prints from a roll (original printing) they really lost their 
minds, scratched negatives, and cut some of the strips too close to 
the image. I noticed the cropping of my negative by noting the thick
black border on one side of the print -- then I checked the negative 
and saw the problem. They also bent a negative and printed it so that 
I could see the print curled in on itself. I don't see how this could 
happen without them cutting the negatives before printing. (Maybe 
5x7"s are handled differently by the lab?)

It would seem that I should find another lab, but for my personal shoots, 
I've found that it's six of one and half dozen of another. A lab may 
do great printing for most my work, then screw up and scratch a critical 
negative, lose negatives, or start printing crappy. Or they don't offer 
the services I need. I wait until they've pissed me off more than once 
(what a sucker) and then I move on. Sigh.
-- 
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"Babies, babies, babies. Why did God make so many babies?
 But no, God didn't make them. Stupid people made them."
      -- Margaret Mitchell, Gone With The Wind
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: peterwu@microsoft.com (Peter Wu)
Subject: invisible flash?
Date: 02 Oct 92 05:47:08 GMT
Organization: mc
Distribution: usa

Is it possible to use infrared flash and a correponding film such that the
resulting picture looks almost like it was shot with normal flash on
normal film?

This would be of great use when shooting in no-flash zones (e.g. wedding
ceremony, opera) and when fine gain (low speed film) is desirable.
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: hyunj@sage4c.its.rpi.edu (John Hyun)
Subject: What is the difference among APO, USM, etc lenses?
Keywords: lenses
Reply-To: hyunj@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:02:47 GMT

What is the difference among APO, USM, etc lenses?
I am not too familiar with this vocabulary and the
technicalities behind it. If someone could respond,
please do so.  Thanks.

--Hyunj@rpi.edu
From: IO92112@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Magzine: Darkroom & Creative Camera Techniques
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:57:00 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

I just received a mail from Darkroom& Creative Camera Techniques Magzine.
I have never seen or heard this magzine. Just wondering anybody has any
experience and comments with the magzine.


Garry Huang
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Need good shop in FL or MD
From: fred-mckenzie@ksc.nasa.gov (Fred McKenzie)
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:30:03 EST
Followup-To: rec.photo
Distribution: world
Organization: NASA/Kennedy Space Center, Florida

In article <d6jvb.717511784@dtek.chalmers.se>, d6jvb@dtek.chalmers.se
(Johan von Boisman) wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I'll spend Christmas in Florida (Tampa - Orlando) and am looking
> for a good photo-gear store to get myself lots of christans presents.

Johan-

Although there more places than I can list here, these are my main stops
when I travel across the state:

Abner's Camera on Central Avenue in St. Petersburg
North Tampa Photography in Tampa
Marshall's in Auburndale
Colonial Photo and Hobby in Orlando (on Mills, a half block south of
Colonial)

fred-mckenzie@ksc.nasa.gov
From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Nikon N90 price
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:45:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep30.162445.6981@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> eugene@briar.lle.rochester.edu (Eugene Kowaluk) writes:
>
>Christoph Ditzen writes:
>> Yesterday I happened to be at a local Ritz Camera. I asked them about the
>> N90. They didn't know it's features, but had a price. They will be selling
>> it for $899. So mail-order it'll probably run around $650-$700.
>
>A local store here is selling it for $789.

While I was placing a mail order with Vienna Camera this morning,
I asked them for the price for the N90. They quoted $734.99 and
they have a short waiting list. In my experience, their price
for Nikon equipment is usually very reasonable although not
necessarily the lowest.

Standard disclaimers apply.
-- 
-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
     HR 1A-304, AT&T Bell Labs, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ, 07748 USA
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson)
Subject: New Leicas (was Re: prices (Canon & Leica))
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:18:39 GMT

In article <13329@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) writes:

>>>So what is this new Leica R7? Has anyone heard more about it?

>>I was looking at a used PA-Curtagon and the guy gave me an R7 to try
>>it out on.  So I got a chance to play with the camera a bit.  It's
>>a replacement for R5.  

>I had been under the impression that it was a replacement for the R6

The replacement for the R6 is the R6.2.
--
Per Danielsson				pd@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: chrisd@mahler.redwood.com (Christoph Ditzen)
Subject: Nikon N90
Keywords: Nikon N90
Organization: Redwood Design Automation
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 15:50:59 GMT

Yesterday I happened to be at a local Ritz Camera. I asked them about the
N90. They didn't know it's features, but had a price. They will be selling
it for $899. So mail-order it'll probably run around $650-$700. Also, they
said that the N90 is replacing the F3, which will be discontinued. From the
description, the N90 didn't exactly sound like a F3 to me, but what the heck.


...chris
From: mjdb@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MATTHEW JAY DRAUD)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: TOKINA F270 Auto Focus 75-300mm Lens
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:19:02 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Has anyone out there ever owned a TOKINA F270 auto focus 75-300mm telephoto
lens. I just bought one with a Nikon mount. So far the pictures I have taken
are very nice. I got the lens used and I can't find any faults. However, I am
curious about the durability. If you have any information about this lens
please post me.   mjdb@lehigh.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: USMs and post focal ...
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:19:09 GMT

In article <25SEP199222522385@vms1.iscs.nus.sg>, nuscss1@vms1.iscs.nus.sg (Vax BULLET-IN-Board SysOps) writes:
...
> 	Its to do with CF7. After setting it, i am *supposed* to be able
> 	to manually focus the lens, even if the lens is in AF mode. Correct ? 
> 	Well, I just can't do it. The focusing ring just won't
> 	budge. It's a 35-80 f/4-5.6 USM lens (the same type that is 
> 	included with the EOS 1000FN/Rebel IIs kit). I tried to wait till
> 	the camera has finished/given up its AF, but still no go.
> 	Am I missing something ?
> 	
By 'USM' in the CF list, they mean the original L USM type. In the EF lens list
I refered to them as 'USA' lrenses. The 35-135, 70-210, 100-300 USM brought in
a new type of mech linkage that is permanantly engaged. The nifty trick/trap
is the AF mode you hae the camera in. If 'one-shot', you can do as you like with
the focus. If it is in 'servo' mode, you can tweak the focus just a *tiny*
amount, then the AF system wakes up to the 'error' and fixxes it. I believe the
35-80USM is a USB type, as above. The ring is quite firm to turn, but not as
hard as you seem to imply. However, I hae only given the lens a quick look over,
not a detailed check. Canon may mave changed the design yet again. Well infact
they have, see Rob Grooms posting on EOS documentation.

I'll check one ASAP, and let you know...

~Paul
From: jacobs@cerritos.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Next Nikon camera: An AF interchangeable lens rangefinder?
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:12:34 PST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cerritos College, Norwalk CA

In article <22511@venera.isi.edu>, finn@isi.edu (Greg Finn) writes:
> In article <1992Sep28.212947.7294@cerritos.edu> jacobs@cerritos.edu writes:
>>	The reason Nikon would introduce a rangefinder camera with
>>interchangeable lenses is to provide a quieter camera. There is quite obviously
>>a demand for a less noisy 35mm camera for instance Canon's EOS Elan and RT.
>>There is also a demand for a professional RF camera,for photojounalists
>>example, Leica keeps pumping out M-6s at $3000 or so a pop with lens and Konica 
>>just introduced a high quality AF rangefinder with a fixed 35mm f2.0 lens
>>called the Hexar. If Nikon does produce such a camera it makes sense to use SLR
>>lenses to provide some autoexposure functions (like a program or shutter
>>prefered automatic functions) as well as the cost effectiveness of producing
>>one lens line. THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE!!!
> 
> 	Assuming that my Leica books are accurate, recent yearly
> production figures on M-6 models are several thousand units per year
> (and by the way, an M-6 is obtainable new for as low as $2600 with
> lens if you look).  That is not exactly much of a market.  I don't
> understand your point.  What demand?
> --
> Gregory Finn	(310) 822-1511

> Information Sciences Institute, Marina Del Rey, CA 90292

The demand would be coming from the pro market. Remember, that a lot of the
trade in Leica's is in used equipment. Many major magazines (Nat. Geo., etc.)
provide their photographers with a Leica gear. The same applies to wire
services. Also, the rangefinder equipment is more popular in Europe than here
in the U.S. I would love to have a Nikon body that would take my current lens
and be in the same ballpark as Leica as far as noise goes. I'm a
photojournalist and would love it. Nikon has produced cameras for the strictly
pro market in the past, so it is possible that they can do it again.

Karl

-- 
________________________________________________________________________________Karl Jacobs - Jacobs@cerritos.edu

Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: peterwu@microsoft.com (Peter Wu)
Subject: How to overcome tripod inertia?
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:57:45 GMT
Organization: mc
Distribution: usa


On a bogen 3030 head, the adjustments have inertia:

When push/pulling one of the handle, it won't move until the force
applied is larger than a threshold. Then it move alot and become
over adjusted.

This effect is very annoying when using > 200mm lens because it's very
hard to aim the camera precisely.

What's the solution? A different brand of tripod head?
A tripod head with micro-adjustable angles?
From: gauthier@fresnel.telecom.hydro.qc.ca (Jean-Benoit Gauthier)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Telephoto zoom lens recommendations wanted
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:34:41 GMT
Reply-To: gauthier@fresnel.telecom.hydro.qc.ca
Organization: Hydro-Quebec

tjwu@athena.mit.edu (Thomas J Wu) writes:
: I've now limited my selection to the Sigma 75-300, the Canon 100-300 USM,
: and the Canon 100-300L.  Is the "L" lens worth the extra $150 or so and
: hwo is it superior to the other two?  When would I start to notice the
: difference between these three in picture quality?


You might also considered the EF 75-300 USM. Last week i bough one in San Jose (CA) for $249+tax. I shot a couple of rolls with it and i'm very satisfied. I maybe not a good critic since it's my first zoom...!!!

I also have a EF 35-80 and between the two (non-USM & USM) i can really see and feel a difference. The USM is faster to autofocus, much more quietter and has less difficulty to focus on things like horizontal lines, etc...

Ben.
From: moreaux@litsun22.epfl.ch (Michel Moreaux)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Leica, why so high?
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:52:04 GMT
Organization: Laboratoire d'informatique technique
In-reply-to: pulli@seismo.CSS.GOV's message of 25 Sep 92 12:03:13 GMT


"Flames ! Flames !", he said. "All around !"

| There are many reasons why the Leica is so high.  ... blah blah ...
| ... ... blah blah blah ....
| labor intensive.  Not to mention the mark/dollar ratio.  I have
| a Leica M3 and a couple of Nikons.  I can always tell the difference
| in the pictures.  Most Leica lenses are tack sharp, with high contrast
| and superb color correction.  The Nikon is good, the Leica is great.

Well, which kind of Nikon lenses do you use ? Have you ever try the
60 mm micro-nikkor ? I made some tests with Leica lenses and I can say
that all their lenses are not great. Anyway, there are great Leica lenses.
A lot of people think that the more is a lens expensive and the better it
is. That is not always the case, e.g. the Nikkon AF 50mm/f1.4 is worse than
the AF 50mm/f1.8. In your comparison, you did not mention the lenses you
have compared. Maybe a Nikkor zoom against a Leica Fixed focal lens ?
In that case, your result is obvious. I do get bored of people always
claiming that a munufacturer is better than an other one. Do not
generalize ! The Canon AF 14mm (or was it a 15mm, I just remember it was
a super-wide angle) is a marvelous lens without equivalence amongst lenses
of other manufacturers (maybe I will just buy a low-end Canon body in order
to use this excellent lens ;-).

| takes a lot of extra effort (cost).  Leicas also maintain their value
| over the years, because of their quality and the active collectors
| market segment.  My M3 was made in 1960.  Will my N8008s last till
| 2024?  I doubt it.

I agree entirely.

| ... blah blah blah.  Try to borrow or rent a Leica
| for a day and put a roll or two through it.  You will either fall
| in love or say "so what".  Nuff said...

I do get tired of all these rubbish. I encounter the same subjective opinion
with "Hassie fans". I and a lot of my friends have made tests in order to
compare Hassie lenses (Zeiss lenses) and lenses from some japanese
manufacturers (namely Mamiya). The conclusions are not so obvious. The Zeiss
tested lens tend to be sharper than the Mamiya lens in the center of the
picture but has a resolution which is desastrous on the picture edges on the
contrary of the Mamiya lens.

_Michel.
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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: meastman@adobe.com (Mark Eastman)
Subject: Need Nikon Body Repair (K & S?)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:02:29 GMT

After running about 250 rolls over the past two years
in a Nikon FM2 Body that I bought new, the shutter lever
jammed with the mirror stuck about halfway between its
normal position and where it tops out. Naturally this happened
right in the middle of a shoot :^(

Has anyone had a similar experience? Also I'm interested
in hearing about anyone's experience with Keeble & Schucat's
repair service or any other Nikon service recommendations.	

Please e-mail direct: meastman@adobe.com

Thanks ahead of time

Mark Eastman
Adobe Systems Inc.
From: ernst@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Negative Carrier Wanted
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:29:23 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

I am looking for a 6x6 negative carrier for a Chromega C enlarger.  I have
tried one for the D model and it is too large.  If anyone has a 6x6 C carrier
that they would be willing to sell, or knows someone who does, please let me
know.  I would also be interested in a glass carrier for the C if I can't find
a 6x6.

ernst@gw.wmich.edu

Gordon Ernst
Western Michigan University


From: rkatos@hpunila.MSR.HP.COM (Ray Katos)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:25:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Processing 8mm film in the bathtub
Organization: Hewlett Packard Sales, Naperville IL
Newsgroups: rec.photo

I would say you would be doomed to failure.
Some one long ago ( Superior Bulk Film long gone) here in Chicago sold
a plastic seprator strip that you laid up with your film onto a reel.
It had embossed bumps at the edges to insure that the film would
not touch and allow fluid ( no pun ) access to the emulsion.
You then processed just as you said.  Without some sure fire
way of separating the film to allow proper wetting and agitation 
you will get spotty results. May make an interesting effect.
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: F4s /8008s etc (Nikon)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: F4s /8008s
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 13:27:49 GMT

In article <lakhindr.718320490@bowmore.NSD.3Com.COM> lakhindr@ESD.3Com.CO
 (Lakhinder Walia) writes:
>hi folks: 
>This is regarding the eye-piece shutter provided for F4, and a small 
>plastic masking cup for 8008s.
>I dont understand why should they be there at all, because my premise is

>the metering has to be some where in the camera body - but not in the pr
sm
>housing : for how would otherwise the matrix balance and flash fill expo
ure
>work..? the reason being that the measurements have to be done during  t
e 
>actual exposure time, i.e when the prism housing is shut-off by the mirr
r.
>And since the prism housing module is completely cut-off, why bother abo
t
>putting a shutter/blind on the eye-piece contained therein..?
>thanks.
>-lakhinder walia
>


   
    You got it half right.
    "the measurement done during the exposure" is only for
 ttl flash. but don't you remember when see  tru view finder
 an touch the shutter lightly the meter start working and 
 measure the light.

     Now at normal picture taking you .the is no light coming
 tru the view finder. since your head already block it. But
 how about self timer,Tripod, Macro  picture taking. chances are
 you only see tru the view finder to compose and take the picture
 w/o your head near the view finder at all. S
      Nowthe light can eter tru the view finder and interfere 
 with the metering significantly.

      You need prove  ? .OK  Mount your camera (I presume not
 full manual and have exposure lock)
 Compose whatever scene you like. now note the exposure, speed and
  fstop. take a penlight flashlight turn it on and aim it tru 
 the view finder  push the exposure lock button and see the
 exposure value. I'll be damn if it is not higher than the previous.

      Sure this is extreme example but when you are taking
 picture with  slide and with camera back and view finder to thesun
 this will be the same .

      Hope this help clearing up your confusion.

Muskie
Smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu
UK07802@mik.uky.edu