HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: khale@b5mail.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: MARVEL : DOOM : (was Re: Give Galactus "HIS" due)
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:11:56 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: b5mail-ebb

In article <Bs680t.D19@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Claw ) writes:
>
>Are you referring to FF #348, where the "real" Doom shows up and 
>deprograms Kristoff? I have over 150 Dr. Doom comics and I was never
>able to figure out when the real Doom was supposed to have disappeared. 
>I have the Excalibur issues that explain where the "real" Doom's shiny
>silver armor came from, but there is no explaining how this Doom
>was unaware that Kristoff had been errously activated. In FF #348
>Doom acts as though he has been gone a long time and is surprised that
>Kristoff has taken over, but in FF #319 when Doom goes to the
>Beyonder to get back his missing memory, he mentions that he is "in a 
>war to the death .. with Kristoff". Surely the Beyonder would have
>noticed if this was not the REAL Doom, and surely he would have said
>something to that effect. Also, a robot Doom would not be able to
>use the cosmic cube to get back missing memory, because this memory
>was from when Doom's mind was in someone else's body. Any comments on this
>would be greatly appreciated, as I am a big Doc Doom fan, and am somewhat
>irritated with thisdangling storyline that makes NO sense!
>

Walt Simonson commented on Doom in COMICS-L a little while ago. I dont have
the full text of his message, but his point was that he never intended to
give a full description of Doom appearances saying "this is a real Doom
appearance. This is a Doombot", since it might upset various readers to have
their favourite stories done by a Doombot rather than the Doctor himself.
Every reader could use their imagination to decide and distinguish real
appearances from fake ones. Walt would throw a few hints out along the way.
For instance, stories in which Doom has been beaten by the likes of Power man
could be classified as fake. For others, you have to decide whether its a 
real Doom or not, and use other means to guide you : Does Doom have thought
balloons ? Then its probably (but not certainly) him, not a robot. Does
Doom act really stupid ? Probably a robot. Does he appear in a bunch of
marvel books at one time ? Some apearances are by robots.

Remember too that the real Doom's memory was probably somewhat muddled by his
travels, so its possible that he'd forgotten some of his previous appearances
on Earth.

I stopped reading FF shortly after Simonson left, but I did read a short story
by DeFalco (it was actually quite funny) which seemed to retcon away most of
Simonson's changes, with an unnamed Editor who edited out scenes unflattering
to Doom. 

Abhijit
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Lobo's Back #3
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:46:03 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Jul23.201812.7933@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.152947.13694@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>>I've been off the net for about the last month, so I don't know if this
>>has been mentioned or not.  I heard it a a couple of weeks ago from my
>>sister, who works in a comics shop.  Apparently, DC will not be releasing
>>Lobo's Back #3, because, on the cover of #2, the artist slipped in a
>>certain portion of the male anatomy that wasn't spotted by the censors
>>(it's on Lobo/Bimbo's left arm, right near the elbow, if you care to
>>look).  If anyone else can confirm or deny this, please let me know.
>>I have no idea how this will affect other Lobo comics, such as Lobo's
>>Back #4 (would be strange without #3), Lobo's Blazing Chain of Love,
>>Lobo: Infanticide, etc. 
>
>False false false false false.
>
>Lobo's Back #3 has been delayed, however, by Bisley's slowness, and will ship
>one month later than previously announced, as has #4.

As much as I'd like to believe this, I would like to know your source.
However unreliable it may be, I at least said where I got my information
from (of course, she also told me that Superman was going to die, so I'm
not too sure how much I can believe her on comics matters, but...)
From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: Peter David on Aquaman
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 06:13:48 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

I have it on good authority that Peter David's first issue of Aquaman is
#14.  Previously it was #13 but it was pushed back an issue.

PAD
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: dmorgan@emunix.emich.edu (Face Man)
Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Organization: Detroit Institute of Criminal Arts and Sciences
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:08:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.134458.10380@samba.oit.unc.edu> Steve.Zwanger@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Steve Zwanger) writes:
>In article <76335@ut-emx.uucp> danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank) writes:
>>With the return of Seraph in the Global Guardians (Yay!!!!)
>
>Where did this happen?
>
>>Colossal Boy: Jo Nah was revealed to be Jewish around the time 
>>   Phoenix died. Fred Hembeck did a cartoon where Jo is learning
>>   Hebrew and complaining about the retcon.
>
>I think his name is Gim Allor.
>
>There's also Sabra, an Israeli superhero. She was in Hulk 256 and in some
>recent issues in the 380's.
>

And Who can forget  Becky...aka Fathom of the  ELEMENTALS!!!!


Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: DC--Crisis Inconsistencies
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:33:34 GMT

Not even Barry died in Crisis.  Didn't you know he just traveled to the Marvel 
Universe in an issue of Quasar? }->
     The only heroes that died in Crisis (or villains for that matter) that 
will stay dead are the ones they haven't come up with new uses for.  And 
remember, the real loser heroes and villains didn't even rate dying on screen 
in Crisis.
     Dave Van Domelen, about to be retconned
     David J. Dahmelen
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: new animated batman
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:47:47 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Jul27.751.37381@dosgate> "donald simmons" <donald.simmons@canrem.com> writes:
>     Fox is set to show some seventy episodes, and have already made
>about fifty of them. You can expext the full Batman Rogue's Gallery to
>make an appearence, Riddler, Scarecrow, Catwomen (with whip) Two-Face
>(who as seen in this episode as Harvey Dent, to become Two-Face later),
>and of course Joker, who will be voiced by Mark Hamill.

According to Wizard magazine, Tim Curry will be providing the voice for
the Joker.  Also, Richard Moll (Bull from Night Court) will be the voice
of Harvey Dent/Two-Face.  I don't remember any other names right now.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Crisis Inconsistencies (WAS: Re: The Problem with the GL yellow weakness)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:31:05 GMT

In article <mumble> good@gdwest.gd.com (David L. Good) writes:

>Speaking of the Crisis...  I was recently sorting through my comics and took
>a look at my copies of Crisis and skimmed through it.  Something kind of 
>interesting I stumbled on was on the third page from the end of issue 12.
>I showed (quite plainly) the new (female) Wildcat holding a newspaper.
>The headline:
>	"'Green Arrow' Among Dead"
>
>I guess DC thought they were getting rid of just another lame superhero, at
>least until Mike Grell showed 'em he could be interesting.  I guess DC just
>conveniently decided to ignore the fact that he was supposed to be dead once
>they thought they could make some more money off of him...

They were almost certainly talking about the Earth-2 Green Arrow.  

-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)
jogle@nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."
From: EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Infinity War...Geez...
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:03:46 GMT
 <jim.2a7551f6-n@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov>
 <1992Jul28.153800.18388@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
 <1992Jul28.172158.12432@linus.mitre.org>
Organization: The Pennylvania State University

In article <1992Jul28.172158.12432@linus.mitre.org>, m23364@mwunix (James
Meritt) says:
>
>You are ALL wrong!!!!
>
>I HAVE IT!!!!!
>
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No!  Now I have it! No, I *AM* the Reality Gem!  I'm a train!  Whoo! Whoo!
No one owns me! (I'm the type that when asked in a store if the personelle
can help me, I reply "No, no one can help me!  I'm insaaaaaaaane!")
Seriously though, can any one person REALLY own the Reality Gem (no pun
intended.)  I think my mommy has it.  Or maybe even my psychologist.  I'll
ask him tomorrow.

  _____)           ______        _)       _)  EAO102@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
                               __       __    OPORTO@CORVETTE.ECE.PSU.EDU
______    ______            ___      ___      Ernie "SHOKK" Oporto
                               __       __    Lab Computer Attendant
(_______ _      _ ________ _     _) _     _)  for PSU's CAC Department
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC--Crisis Inconsistencies
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:36:09 GMT
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Jul22.184335.22641@eos.arc.nasa.gov> shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Richard Barry Shrum) writes:

>Is there a graphic-novel-type book which contains the Crisis all in
>1 volume? I never read it, and it sounds easier (and less expensive)
>than trying to collect the entire series on a seperate basis. How many
>issues did the Crisis take place in?> Was it a cross-over too?

No, it was never collected. It was 12 issues with a million unnecessary
crossovers.  But I see it all over the place really cheaply, shouldn't
be that expensive if you're really interested.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
............................................................
"Kill the Rat!  It's a direct presidential order!"
   --- Rick Veitch
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
............................................................
From: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Robi Karp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Weapon Omega
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:10:48 GMT
Reply-To: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au
Organization: Expert Solutions Australia

In article <1992Jul27.204949.3243@rose.com> victor.ng@rose.com (victor ng) writes:
: 5. He looks like a son of Sabretooth's.

And what does a "son of Sabretooth's" look like ?

	- Robi
--
INTERNET: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au     "But Calvin is no kind and loving god!
ACSnet  : robi@bacchus.esa.oz         He's one of the _old_ gods! He demands
Tel     : (+61) (3) 819 4554          sacrifice!"
Fax     : (+61) (3) 819 5580
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: Good Comics
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:30:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.205452.19400@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.222820.20467@rice.edu>, yuantsai@owlnet.rice.edu (Frank Tsai-Yuan Chen) writes:
>> 
>> I have just take up collecting comic books. So far I like
>> the ones produced by Image like Spawn and Savage Dragon.
>> I was wondering if anyone can suggest to me other comics that
>> they find interesting. I am mostly interested in the newer
>> comics with issues less than #10. Any help would be
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> Frank Chen
>> yuantsai@owlnet.rice.edu
>> 
>> 
>> P.S. Does anyone have a #1 issue of Youngblood for sale?
> 
>Heh heh.
>
>Youngblood:  Gives a whole new meaning to the term, "Limited Series."
>
>Hope you have on your asbestos longjammies,
>Kevvy Kev


For all of you Youngblood fans out there, Image just announced that issue
four of Y.B. will be numbered "issue one: part two", and will be available
as "flip-over" comics with four covers for each front, giving 16 different
variations.  As an added bonus, Liefield will be signing half of these
issues, and he will be signing them in four different color inks. (red,
green, blue, and black.)  This gives a total of 80 different variations of
a sure to be collectors item issue.

[:-)'s for the humor impaired.]

Karthik Sheka              | It's not an optical illusion.  It just looks like
kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu |    one.
karthik@cs.columbia.edu    | By "recursion" I mean "defined by recursion".
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: Steve.Zwanger@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Steve Zwanger)
Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:44:58 GMT

In article <76335@ut-emx.uucp> danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank) writes:
>With the return of Seraph in the Global Guardians (Yay!!!!)

Where did this happen?

>Colossal Boy: Jo Nah was revealed to be Jewish around the time 
>   Phoenix died. Fred Hembeck did a cartoon where Jo is learning
>   Hebrew and complaining about the retcon.

I think his name is Gim Allor.

There's also Sabra, an Israeli superhero. She was in Hulk 256 and in some
recent issues in the 380's.

Steve
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: ray@gyro.exicom.oz.au (Ray Soo)
Subject: need CEREBUS info
Reply-To: ray@exicom.OZ.AU (ray)
Organization: Exicom (Aust) Pty Ltd
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:50:08 GMT


I became interested in Cerebus when i ftp-ed the Cerebus Companion.
Since that is a reasonably old document, i would like to know:

have there any further trade paperback editions of Cerebus stories 
published besides those mentioned in the Companion? 
What's the cost (US dollars will do)?
Also, what issue number is Cerebus currently up to?


email replies to ray@exicom.OZ.AU

thanks in advance,

ray

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: bzthomps@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Zac Thompson)
Subject: Hamsters
Keywords: hamsters
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:32:26 GMT

	Yo! Any Hamsters fans out there?  Or they too good for ya?

	I have the series and a coupla singles inc.: part 2 of Hamster Triumphant and the Japanese Invasion.  Anyone else know what other spinoffs are around?
	I haven't met a fan in a looong time... I hope you haven't all gone trendoid... or maybe I'm in the wrong group.

	Somebody say which ones they have please.
		
		Zac


Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (plain)
Subject: Re: Comics mail order - in Canada/USA
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:12:39 GMT

cavers@menudo.uh.edu (Chris M. Cavers) writes:

>I tried Mile High also.  They really get you with the monthly
>mailing fees.  

>Anyone know of someplace that is cheap and provides good service?

I just recently started a subscription with a small store in Springfield
Illinois.  They offer 40% off new comics prices, but you pay shipping.
I'm still new with them, so I can't say anything about long range
service, though every indication is they will be good.  I have talked
to the owners and been in their shop.  By the way, they also have some
good deals on recent back orders which they keep at cover price (most
stores around me mark them up within three months (or less) of the 
latest issue.  They carry all DCs and Marvels.  If anybody would like
their address just Email me.
	mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
	Hope I've been of some help

	-Vincent
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
From: <JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 15:26:57 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Ragman.  This series started sometime last year, and included the
legend of the Golem as a part of the opening story.  Kind of bizarre,
but had really good art.  Check it out.
 
Jim
=========================================================================
Universal Citizen.  Ultra Knight.  Snow Master.  Bladesman.  Bodybuilder.
=========================================================================
From: gkam@trooa.enet.dec.com (28-Jul-1992 1553)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Metropolis WAS Toronto
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:51:07 GMT
X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA29552; Tue, 28 Jul 92 12:51:09 -0700
X-Received: by enet-gw.pa.dec.com; id AA08180; Tue, 28 Jul 92 12:51:03 -0700
X-Received: from trooa.enet; by decwrl.enet; Tue, 28 Jul 92 12:51:07 PDT
X-To: rec.arts.comics.usenet
X-Apparently-To: rec.arts.comics.usenet


Finally!

Yes it's been publicized from many sources including THE TORONTO STAR and 
lately, the CANADA 125 commercials that Joe Shuster spent many of his youth 
years in Toronto and based the city of Metropolis loosely on Toronto (the 
name "Metropolis" was taken from the film with the same name).  "The Daily 
Star" also stood in for the Toronto paper, "The Star" which was later renamed, 
"The Toronto Star".

Since we're on the subject, the game of basketball was also invented by a
Canadian who took his idea of shooting a ball through a hoop down to Indiana.

Greg
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: jimh@pacdata.uucp (Jim Harkins)
Subject: Re: Superman DIES ???????????
Organization: Pacific Data Products
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:25:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.183720.10380@rdg.dec.com> boyes@forty2.enet.dec.com (Mark Boyes) writes:
>>I've seen at least 2 articles saying that Superman is going to die.
>
>Neil Gaiman was talking about this when he visited Oxford a few months 
>back: his death will be another DC-Universe-shaker, like Invasion and
>Millenium, and like those, be all back to normal in a couple of months.
>
>I believe he will be going to Hell,

Wunnerful, now DC has a perfect opportunity to cross SuperDuperman into
both Hellblazer and Sandman.  If I weren't such a cynic I'd say "no way",
but you know the head honchos are trying to think of a way to say "way!".

jim

-- 
Lawyers Creed:  What's mine is mine, what's yours is negotiable.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Harkins                         [ucsd|uunet]!pacdata!jim
Pacific Data Products               jim@pacdata.com
--------------------------------------------------------------
From: jrjj@moscom.UUCP (Jad Jordan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC--Crisis Inconsistencies
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:01:56 GMT
Reply-To: jrjj@moscom.UUCP (Jad Jordan)
Distribution: na
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY

In article <3119@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
>>      The only heroes that died in Crisis (or villains for that matter) that 
>> will stay dead are the ones they haven't come up with new uses for.  And 
>> remember, the real loser heroes and villains didn't even rate dying on screen 
>The Crime Syndicate of Earth III was a major villian group IMHO.
>They could have retconed them being from another Earth/Dimension
>but they killed them off and did it well.

Well, wou want it, you got it. In the latest issue of Justice League Quarterly,
the Conglomerate has been disolved, and ... well, get to the point. The villains
who formed the Crime Syndicate (Although never mentioned as that name), existed
as villains on Qward, and fought the JLA awhile ago. Although the originals
"are long gone" as GL(Hal) says, the new team consists of Deadeye, Elasti-Man,
Element Man, Fiero, Frostbite, Scarab and Slipstream - counterparts of Green
Arrow, Elongated Man, Metamorpho, Fire, Ice, Blue Beetle and Flash respectively.
Strange that Green Arrow and Metamorpho weren't there, and there were no 
counterparts for PowerGirl, Booster and Green Lantern who were. I also liked 
Slipstream (who gets my vote as stupedist name of the year) was there as a
counterpart for Wally, and Johnny Quick was not, since he was the counterpart
for Barry.

An ok story. Nothing to write home about.

-Jad
From: mwinston@lust.reed.edu (Michael J. Winston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: JLA
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:31:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul31.043105.10452
Distribution: na
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Jul31.021517.3764@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu  
(Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:
> In article <mumble> danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank) writes:
> 
> >Am I the only one that is incredulous that nobody had anything negative
> >to say about JLA#61 in the letters page of the recent issue of JLA?
> >Are they afraid to publish negative letters or did the people who
> >disliked the issue decide to wait for it to improve before complaining?
> 
> I noticed it and was amused by the thought of how much mail they
> probably had to wade through to find that many nice letters. 8-)
> 
> Either that, or the only people who wrote concerning #61 were the same
> type of zombies that write letters to Marvel....  8-(

I noticed most of the letters used words like "cool" or "awesome".  I  
guess they're going for X-men crowd.  I alos noticed that the one negative  
comment was called "nitpicking" by Kevin D.

As for my other complaints about this issue:
1) Fire starting a sentence with the word "like", ("Like, I'm a total  
airhead now.")
2) No one commenting on the really large change in Guy's ring.  ("Say, I  
notice Guy using a YELLOW power ring.  Hmmm, I better not bring it up.  I  
don't want to make the others feel stupid for not noticing it.")

Why can't they get a real writer?

Michael J. Winston
From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: re: JEWISH SUPERHEROES
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:55:54 GMT
Return-Path: <amail.amdahl.com!rich.bellacera@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>

I'm not too famailiar with D.C.'s Jewish contingent, but I have encountered a
few in MARVEL's titles.

1. SABRA is Israel's national hero.

2. SHADOWCAT (Kitty Pryde) formerly of the X-men (currently with Excalibur).

3. I believe there is indeed one from among the YOUNG GODS (the twelve chosen
   ones from different time periods of Earth's past and given to the
   Celestials as proof of human worth), but exactly which one escapes me at
   the moment.

Concerning Magnus (MAGNETO) yes he is of Romania descent and was raised with
a Gypsy clan...can't recall the details too much, but his wife Magda was a
Romanian, too.  So I guess that would make Peitro & Wanda of Romanian descent
as well.  Romanian's were treated like dogs by Hitler's regime, just as the
Jews, the Christians and Homosexuals, were.  That is probably by the earlier
poster was confused, since Magnus and Magda were both tormented during WWII
under Hitler...and his wife's death is directly responsible for his anger
toward the non-mutant race.

These are the only Jewish heroes I can think of at this time.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics