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From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: So what does this mean to us ?
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 00:46:24 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec17.193935.4591@news2.cis.umn.edu> <1h008iINNam6@life.ai.mit.edu>
  <0fq24bj@rpi.edu>

Amalaye Oyake asks:
>1) WILL MR. BAGGET STILL MARKET GAME WORK BENCH OR HAS HE GIVEN UP ?
 
Dunno.. have to ask Dave.
 
>2) IF YOU REPLY, PLEASE STATE IN YOUR HONEST OPINION IF YOU THINK ( note i a
>talking to anybody reading this )  THE FALCON WILL SUCCEED.

"Succeed...?"  Not likely, given current Atari viewpioints on marketing and
developer involvement.

>4) WHAT DOES ALL THAT HAS HAPPENED, (CONCERNING MR. BAGGETS VISIT TO SV CA.)
>MEAN TO THE AVERAGE ST USER ?


It means that this is just one more (talk to some Atari developers for some
real "Horror Stories" about dealing with Atari Corporation.) example of
the arrogance of the current regime at Atari.  It means that YOU will
NEVER be able to buy a game developed with the Game Workshop.

>6) HOW WERE MR. BAGGETS GAME ROUTINES SUPERIOR TO ANYTHING DONE BY PEOPLE
>LIKE THE BITMAP BROTHERS ( ST DIEHARDS ), OR EVEN JEFF MINTER ?

They might not have actually been "superior".. but YOU will never know
whether they were or not, because Atari played games, rather than seriously
evaluating them.  Jeff Minter has already ported "Llamatron" to the PC
platform, where it's been received with tremendous acclaim. Why would he
continue to hit himself over the head with the "Atari" hammer..?

>7) SO WHAT MACHINES WOULD ONE RECOMEND BESIDES A FALCON ?

As always, it depends on what you want to do with your computer.  If you're
happy with developing your own applications and programs, then maybe the
Falcon's for you.  If you like VGA resolution games in 256 colors, at
Shareware prices, then that software is ALREADY available on the PC
platform... 

>ALL THE ABOVE ARE JUST QUESTIONS, SO I WOULD PREFER IT IF YOU DO NOT JUMP 
>ON MY CASE. .

amalaye oyake ---> a curious st user. 

No problem.. it's refreshing to encounter an open mind..
 
BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: paetau@mits.mdata.fi (Rasmus Paetau)
Subject: BART - is it functioning?
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:13:03 GMT


The other day I was ftp:ing to atari.archive.umich.edu, and I
downloaded the 0help file. This file had instructions of how to use
the BART mailserver, and I tried sending the word "index" to
atari@atari.archive.umich.edu, but didn't get any response. So, what I
want to know, is BART supposed to be functional or not? I always
thought it was removed after a.a.u.e moved to another computer.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Email... Internet > GEnie .. how?
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:12:39 GMT

In article 71834@cup.portal.com, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com () writes:
>On the other hand, the 2-way link between CompuServe and the
>Internet works flawlessly, and the recipient doesn't have to
>go through anything special to receive mail, nor pay any extra
>fees..
> 
>BobR


It's evidently only _my_ Internet-GEnie link that doesn't work, Bob.
Everyone else that I've talked to that have done this says it's fine.
I probably screwed it up myself.  Go figure.  :)

BTW, Bill and Pattie Rayl of Atari Interface Magazine can be reached
right here on the internet.

And as nice as CIS is, it's still *very* expensive, compared to GEnie.
For Atari users, GEnie is a _much_ better online service, with much
more active Atari support than CIS and it's also the "official" online
service of Atari Corporation (for what that's worth).  CIS is huge and
offers a _lot_ of services, but Atari-related stuff is better on GEnie.

PC users, on the other hand, are *much* better off at CIS than GEnie.
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___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
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From: blv@col.hp.com (Bob Vixie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: >>> FOR SALE: Software
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:51:30 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdlk.col.hp.com

I have the following Atari ST software still for sale:


    Page Stream 2.0                                          $75
        Desktop publishing for the ST.  Over 200 PD fonts
        included.  Most have sample page printouts.  Also
        included FontVerter--a font converter.  Hard disk
        highly recommended to run this software.

    VIP                                                      $20
        Lotus 123 spreadsheet clone.  GEM based.

    Police Quest I                                           $20
        Role playing game.  Includes hint book.

    Mean 18                                                  $15
        Golf game by Accolade.

    Turbo ST                                                 $10
        Software graphics accelerator.


All prices include shipping in the US.  If prices are too high--make
me an offer.  However, the first response at the listed price gets it.
Quantity discounts available.

Send email to Bob Vixie at blv@col.hp.com
From: selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Pagestream 2.2, Color printing/viewing question
Date: 11 Dec 92 07:17:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: selick@csa


Here's an all encompasing question about dealing with color on
Pagestream 2.2 on a 1040 ste w/4 meg ram & SC1224 monitor...

Can I view color? How?
Can I print color (in particular, on a color postscript printer or a
       star NX-1000 color dot matrix printer)
   How?

I have tried to load in a color degas picture to no avail, and have
played with the global color palette editor, but haven't seen any
results with it. How do you change the screen colors that are displayed?
How are the color changes represented in postscript? I mean, do you say
"Blue" or do you have to define blue in terms or rgb? I would like to be
able to choose different colors for the words, and also define colors
for circles, and lines. I am relatively proficient with other pagestream
features...not a beginner.

Thanks,
Steve
selick@csa.bu.edu
From: elendir@inf.enst.fr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: DSPs
Keywords: Digital Sound Processor
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:12:05 GMT

Harris Wulfson writes
] 
]      The built-in DSP is of paramount importance to musicians (even more so
] than the built-in MIDI of the ST's). With the proper software (which I sure
] hope comes out), the Falcon can be used for digital multitrack recording and
] editing of up to eight tracks at 16-bit 48Khz CD-quality. Now THAT is an
] application of the DSP. 
]     I hope to see integrated MIDI and recording sequences (like Studio  
Vision
] for Mac) on the Falcon. Does anyone know if something like this is being
] developed. The D2D software that comes with the Falcon is supposedly not
] professional-level.

 The major problem is that final releases with properly hardwired sound have  
come out lately. This has not let many time for developers to do professional  
job. Sorry about that buds.
 I am completly incompetent in MIDI.

 Vincent.
--

 In memoria di mori di Furiani.
From: mppi76@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Harald Schoenfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: The Eagle has landed
Date: 14 Dec 1992 09:56:59 +0100
Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen
NNTP-Posting-Host: cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de
Summary: FALCONS are delivered
Keywords: FALCON

I can't believe it! My FALCON was delivered on friday!

So at least the "small" developers in Germany get their FALCONs now. Some
hundred are to be deliverd since last week.

BTW: They were flown from Taiwan to Germany :-)

The first hard disk recording program was written in about 1 or 
2 hours and works perfectly with 50kHz 16Bit stereo. So forget all
the PC SoundCards (with 25kHz that are only 6kHz in reality - as
revealed by the German magazin ct last week :-) )

More to be reported soon...

-- 
Harald Schoenfeld (hs@cnve.rrze.uni-erlangen.dbp.de)
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: "DiskDoubler" type program
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:47:01 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec5.145643.2734@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>  
  <1992Dec9.120717.2547@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de>  
  <1992Dec9.185404.10075@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de>
  <71398@cup.portal.com> <wmtwen.724412075@rw8.urc.tue.nl>

Erlend Nagel writes:

>>That's great.. but.. how come no one else has ever heard of
>>"DataLight"..?
>Well I have so you cannot say no one else has ever heard of Datalight!

You're absolutely right.. I should have said no one in the US has heard
of it..
 
That's one of the really distressing things about the way the Atari market
has become fragmented.  We know, from reading here on UseNet that there
are wonderful things in Europe, but we've hever heard of them here.

There are several choices in the PC market for "disk doubler" types of
programs, but the only one widely available in the US was Data Diet, and
now its future is unclear..

It's very frustrating..  a lot like owing a European or Japanese car
because you like them better than what the American manufacturers offer,
but having to wait two months to get a part shipped from Tokyo.

BobR
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: NEED Jack's home address
Date: 17 Dec 1992 03:57:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu



I'm looking for Jack Tramiel's home address.

Any information would be appreciated.

Len

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: NEED Jack's home address
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:24:42 GMT

In article 1gotrvINN3cj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
>
>I'm looking for Jack Tramiel's home address.


I wondered what you were doing with all those bottles of gasoline in your car!

:)
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___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
From: mjuschke@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Michael Juschke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Help
Date: 16 Dec 1992 10:03:03 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
Summary: Games & Harddisk

Hi,

Does anybody know, how to get programs like 'Lotus Turbo Challange 2' ,
'Falcon' and 'Printmaster' to work from a harddisk ?
They are easy to copy to harddisk, but they either crash or tell me that
since being copied over they are no longer an 'authorised copy', which
they are on disk.

Michael

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: itschere@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Torsten Scherer)
Subject: Re: Falcon DOES have Super-VGA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:10:51 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

In article <...>, warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) writes:
|> 
|> Actually, the term "Super-VGA" is even less defined than "True Colour".
|> All a graphics system need to claim "Super-VGA" is better than 640*480
|> resolution.  Since the Falcon can do overscan, hence 768x576 pixels,
|> it is, technically, Super-VGA.

How about this one: 640*480*16 and 320*200*256 are the only "bigger" graphic
modes IBM standartized when they came out with VGA in the first way, so
every above that can be called SUPER-VGA, if you like...

Torsten
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Universidad de Bielefeld, Calle de la Universidad 25, D4800 Ciudad de Bielefeld
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From: ph9991_imm@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Help me with ANSI esc-sequences?
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:48:58 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

Howdy folks!

I've been working on a terminal emulator program, and I've reached a halt:
I don't have any information on standard ANSI or DEC VT200 series escape
codes or escape procedures.  Without any translation, these escape codes
cause garbage to appear on my screen(if I haven't told the VAX to send VT52
escape sequences). 

Does anyone have a table available? I would much appreciate the information.

Larry Imm
--
larry.o.imm@uwrf.edu
From: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Zoo shells
Date: 16 Dec 1992 09:32:10 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

>>I _have_ used Lharc, Roger.  I still haven't figured out how to expand a
>..LZH-compressed directory tree into subdirectories (call me
>						-sbigham
>-- 
>Scott Bigham                   | The opinions expressed above are


Sorry Scott, but it looks like you don't have the brains to run LZH201L..:-)


THe latest version is LZH201L, Note: i is before l...

There is a option in LZH201L for problems with incompatible headers,
it  the   -k  option.

LZH201L will default to Directory extraction with out setting any options
at all...


I pitty you, wee all don't live and breath Unix...


Try comming here and Preaching ZOO to us Green Kiwies...:-)...

ZOO is not used here, may be its because wee are to Clean and Green..:-).??


Roger............            sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz


Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Subject: Re: sticky bit equivalent in Mint?
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:28:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.144344.10759@fel.tno.nl> qb7g6@fel.tno.nl (Maarten Landzaat) writes:
>Is there a sticky bit equivalent in Mint? I want to have a few
>toswin windows around running tcsh, each eating about 360K. 
>Running gcc to compiler C++ programs seems to fail because of lack
>of memory. I do manage to run gcc with hardware scrolling, so I guess
>the solution will be for me to have all those shells with only one
>text segment in memory. I use gcc 2.2.2, Mint 0.94, tcsh, TOS 1.0, 3Mb.
>
>Any reaction is appreciated!

"Egads!!!!"  -  how's that for a reaction?


This feature was implemented in MiNT 0.96, which was not released publically,
although the source code was made available on the atari.archive. It seems
that MiNT 0.97 was only used within Atari (MultiTOS), as Eric Smith has just
sent out 0.98 for testing.

You definitely should get hold of at least MiNT 0.96, and you probably need
a newer copy of tcsh (depends on when that one was compiled; gcc 2.2.2 already
supports the shared-text stuff.)
-- 
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

All true wisdom is conveyed in one-line witticisms.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:25:27 EST
From: J.J. Lehett <JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: SLIP Connection

    As a new owner of a 14.4 modem, I was wondering if anyone out there has
much experience in setting up a SLIP connection for the Atari.  Local dial-up
allows the simple keyword SLIP to open up a SLIP connection, so I have the
'host site'.  I would like to find the necessary (latest?) SLIP software that
would allow me to establish a SLIP connection.  Also, would be interested in
hearing from someone who is currently or has done this so I might ask further
questions directly to them!  Any help greatly appreciated.
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J.J. Lehett     : Atari's, puzzles, games, MIDI, fractals, Kawai K4's...

  - Work: JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu           Penn State CAC
  - Genie: J.LEHETT2
  - Delphi: JLEHETT@delphi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: llunch@hoare.cba.csuohio.edu (Jason Baker)
Subject: Re: JRI simm upgrade questions
Organization: Cleveland State University, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:33:59 GMT

	Well, if your 520st is like mine (extarnal power supply, external 
floppy, RF modulator), you should do the following:
		If 4 meg of rma is to be installed using the jri ram+ type "c"
		board, the existing 512k of ram will need to be disabled by 
		removing the (cas0l) and (cas0h) signals supplied by the mmu
		chip to pin 15 of the ram chips.  This is accomplished by
		removing r133 and r134 then connecting pin 15 of u30 and pin
		15 of u32 to pin 8 of any ram (+5 volt buss).

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: baumer@cs.utwente.nl (Han Baumer)
Subject: Re: Best Llamatron Score
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:53:31 GMT

christof@wowbagger.pc-labor.uni-bremen.de (Christoph Koerner) writes:
> My high scores : 2.56 mil - with droid (lev 179 I think)
>                  1.63 mil - without droid (lev 94)
> 
> Cheers, Christoph

I think these scores are quite impossible. How can anyone possibly be 
fast enough to beat the two tanks and a laser in level 70 ore so! I
think it is impossible. Or does this have something to do with the
difference between ST and TT. I have the impression that on the TT
Llamatron is very fast (I do not have enough time to read the
scrolling instruction screens at the beginning, they scroll just too
fast). Is this really true?


Greetings,


Han.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Hi!
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:14:26 GMT

Sam Groves in #60567 asked questions about "re-fixing" his 520's floppy drive:

1.  You didn't say how much TOAD was going to charge you for replacing the
bum drive mechanism.  $100 plus freight sounds OK.  Much more than that and
I'd recommend you consider using your old 520 for a door stop and picking up
a new or slightly used 1040STe for not much more money.

2.  Atari service people (is there such a thing?) come in all flavors...
some good and some bad.  It's pot luck unless you can get a recommendation
from someone who has personal experience in dealing with one.

3.  I think most people on this net will echo that TOAD is a very reliable,
upstanding organization who have been around for quite awhile.  They have
suffered through some growing pains but they are honest, capable and will
treat you fairly.  But only if you tell 'em FAIR-DINKUM sent ya.  :)


___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________


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___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: inet
Organization:  One of these days for sure
X-News: HERMES MMAIL 1.10 Rev. Nov 25 1992
Subject: Re: Falcon030, resolutions, TRUE color, and DSP
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In <1gsthtINNk4c@sauna.cs.hut.fi> hmallat@elektra.cs.hut.fi (Hannu
	Mallat ~ PurpleHaze!) writes:

>In <1gsmv1INN688@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 
	(Len Stys) writes:

>>Ok, how much memory would it take to get games to be created with the
>>640x480 256 color mode?

>Sigh. It's just simple maths...

>In 256 colour mode each pixel needs 8 bits for its colour index
>(2**8=256), which equals one byte. Thus, one screen takes
>640x480=307200 bytes=300k. Now, arcade games use double-buffering, in
>which one screen is shown when the other is being updated, to avoid
>flickering when the screen is drawn. 

	One thng I haven't seen mentioned that I'm curious about. Does
anyone know if the Falcon has retained the ability the STe has to fine 
scroll the screen? The reason I ask, is that this would mean a lot of
games would use a memory area greater than a full screen for efficient
scrolling in the play field. Double buffering these would take up even
more memoory, but of course the trade offs in speed and smoothness of
scrolling would be worth it. It's a shame the base model Falcon is one
meg, as with the graphics capabilities, this will restrict many
programmers as much as the large number of 520's sold did. I hope enough
machines get sold that companies will be able to risk releasing 2 meg
minimum games, as they recently have with one meg only games. Reading
interviews with programmers in various British magasines, it would seen
a significant ammount of time is spent trying to make a game fit into
520k once it's written. Same as the old single sided disk problem that's
now a thing of the past.


-- 

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 many people posting to alt.music.rush?"              PSU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen)
Subject: Re: Christmas Demos
Organization: Scriba Communis Responsi
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 12:45:29 GMT

Oh! I just forgot to change the Organization name on my previous message...

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