From: kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrm 762-6417)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: AGRAN Exclusion -- BROWN Hypocrisy
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:59:52 GMT
Organization: Cores 'R Us

In article <visser.702538674@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
>In <9204060447.AA05311@tba.msi.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:
>
>
>
>+>       A member of the media finally pinned down Jerry Brown on Larry
>+>Agran's exclusion from the political process.  You know what Brown said?
>+>       "Why doesn't he get a group of people and have an event?"
>+>       (THe Burlington Free Press, 3/30/92)
>+>       You can just bet that if Jerry Brown was being excluded, he wouldn't
>+>be hollering for "separate but equal" candidate forums.  He's the biggest
>		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>+>hypocrite of any candidate in any party this year.
>
>	Notice the wonderful language.  Agran and his supporters have this
>thing about comparing his not being invited in "terms" that evoke  past
>battles against racism or segregation. 

Well, the practices of the 2 major parties vis-a-vis minority
parties/candidates are as reprehensible as racism/segregation.

>	What Brown was saying is that the way candidates usually build 
>themselves up is through "solo" events.

Well, that may be the orthodox way, but it by no means is the only way.
Brown, to his credit, IMO, is rather unorthodox himself; it scarcely behooves
him to criticize the (un)orthodoxy of others.

>                                         The way you get into the media
>spotlight is to give them something to cover.....attempting to force himself
>into debates and forums is not going to get him anywhere.  It does advance
>his longstanding campaign to force himself into the national spotlight
>by playing the victim.

Why is *being a victim* touted as "playing the victim"?  Do you think
Agran was faking?  Did he not really get hauled off to jail?  Is there
something you know that the rest of us don't?  Do you think it is unjust
for his campaign to "advance"?  In any case, exclusion of a candidate *is*
something to cover.

I was pretty disappointed in both Brown and Clinton for not taking the high
road and yielding a little time for Agran to speak.  One gets the impression
that if allowing Agran to speak would result in the disruption of the event,
or in possibly undesired outcomes of the event, that the event must have been
pretty delicately choreographed in the first place.  I guess my next question
is, why do Brown and Clinton participate in "delicately choreographed
events?"  What else is "delicately choreographed?"  The nomination, perhaps?
What has been delicately choreographed vis-a-vis the Republicans?  Have the
Dems agreed to win? or lose? or share the spoils? Stay tuned, folks.

I saw an earlier posting in this newsgroup where Agran disassociated himself
from Lenora Fulani after she had apparently questioned a major candidate (was
it Clinton? I forgot) about why Agran wasn't there (at a major event in
Harlem, so I understand).  Gee, nice going, Larry.  Must be fuck-your-buddy
week.

I also saw in this newsgroup a major smear piece on Jerry Brown by the
laroochie paper Executive Intelligence Review.  Judging from the way Japan
is kicking ass economically, every CEO in the country must read this paper.
Larouche himself is in jail, doubtless railroaded by the Powers-That-Be,
although one wonders, since he is really indistinguishable from them, what
they have against him.

I am rapidly becoming convinced that *all* of the presidential candidates
are *totally* *fucked*.  They all seem to *want* to be president *so*
*badly* that they are gouging each other in the eyes.  What a disgusting
spectacle.  A friend of mine says none of these people would make a decent
pimple on Adlai Stevenson's ass.

>	Agran is a tiny little mayor of an insignificant city with a tiny
>sliver of support.  

Well, so what??  That is scarcely germane to anything.

kurt@grogatch.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
Newsgroups: alt.activism