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From: tloh@husc8.harvard.edu (Teck Loh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Research Institute in Malaysia(ASEAN)-A proposal
Date: 17 Apr 92 06:21:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr17.022104.11207
Distribution: soc
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I am just curious whether there is any plan by our government or the ASEAn
countries in building a research Institute. I think it will be a good
idea if we can tap the best brain from this region. The aim of this research
institute will be to develope new technologies that will improve the living
standard of our life. Of course this is a rather big project and it is still
in a very premature stage. There are many questions to be answered.

1. Where should we built this institute?
2. Who is going to invest and what is the budget?
3. How do we share the fruits of the research?
4. How do we organise the institute?
5. What is the criterias and requirements for employment?
6. Should this be restricted to research or a combination of research and academia?
7. What is the role model institute that we can refer to (eg. scripps institute,etc) ?

I have no intention of insulting the institutions in Malaysia or ASEAN. What 
I wanted to see is the possibility of a MalaysiAN or ASEAN winning a NOBEL
prize. There are far too few research scientific papers from Malaysia in
international journals. I do not know whether it is due to budget constraint
, lack of ideas or the quality of students. I think it is time to have a research institute where the best researcher and students are admitted rather than base
on racial line ( no flame, please) .

I hope everyone will join me in this discussion. Pros and cons are welcomed!

T-P Loh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: looi@ssf-corp.dhl.com (Wan Looi)
Subject: degree recognition (m'sia)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:44:32 GMT
Organization: DHL Worldwide Express, Redwood City, Calif., USA


Can someone please explain why diplomas/degrees from TAR Collge,
Singapore and Taiwan are not being recognized by the M'sian
government? What are the rationals behind it? [Correct me if
I'm wrong. That's what I learned while I was still in M'sia]

It's funny that M'sian government recognizes degrees from the
less developed countries such as Indonesia and the middle eastern
states, but not from its own country (TAR)... 

-looi [just got promoted 8-)] 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: chong@juliet.caltech.edu (Chong, Francis F. S.)
Subject: Don't perpetuate the name-calling! (Was: To Shit Head Zam !)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:51:00 GMT


	I don't think calling him names, even if it satisfies some primal
urge to relieve frustration, is constructive. It doesn't really get 
anything across does it?

Francis Chong
Caltech
From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:39:45 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr6.144124.17239@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
> 
> 	Hopefully, the government will continue to log at the present
> rate, or increase it to show to the world that we are not affected by
> their propaganda or their pressures...
> 
> ===------ 
Smart move!  Maybe in the future when we're fully developed and our people
are so rich that they can go to our neighboring countries to learn about
trees and plants.
I'm sure we'll be rich if a person like Sarawak's MB gets richer!  I'm
sure he'll like to give more to the people like he's doing now.

Sincerely,
Eme.
Good leader doesn't make hasty decisions!  Don't you agree?
  





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From: jit@slic.cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Use of 'negro'  (Re: Azizam - Oppressors and the Oppressed)
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:18:27 GMT
Originator: jit@slic.cellbio.duke.edu

In article <1992Apr13.195700.29943@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>In article <9204131043.AA10681@nettlerash.berkeley.edu>
>LAW40001@NUSVM.NUS.SG (Tay Edward Stanley) writes: 
>
>>Azizam says that the oppressed may fight but they will not win ... I
>>will forever cherish this date: 9th August 1965.  Please do not treat
>>this as a flame for any country or any race.  Skunks like Azizam will
>>always exist ... be they Malay, Chinese, Indian, Caucasian, Negro etc
>...                                                         ^^^^^^^

Is this more insulting, or

>
>	You just insulted the whole African-American people with that
>remark.  While you are at it, why don't you just call them N*g&%r?

*YOUR* suggestion to call them N*g&%r,  

(what's your ulterior motive ? Trying to create another racial war ?)

>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

or this signature to other race ?

Gee, I didn't know you are that sensitive.

No... let me take it back.  You are *very* sensitive.  When you 
posted your article to soc.culture.thai, you did remove your
skin-color decorated signature :-)

You may skip the following article because it is meant only for
educated, rationalized people only.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

In the US, the terms 'negro' and 'black' are no longer popular because
they are politically incorrect.  I.e., you don't call someone based
on the color of their skin.

The new term is African American.  It doesn't mean that they have to come 
from Africa.  Of course there are people will claim that they
are not African Americans but Jamaicans, etc.

'Black' is still rather common but 'negro' is not.  'Nigger' is just
an insulting term.  If someone purposely suggests that you use 'nigger'
instead of helping you to correct it, either this person is a
complete moron or he is a racist.

I don't blame anyone for not knowing all these.  I knew nothing until I
came to the US.  I wonder how many people know about the Darkie
toothpaste.  One of the my American friends saw I used it and found
it unbelievable.

I think Darkie Toothpaste is no longer produced because someone
protested to its parent company Monsanto located in St. Louis, MO.
From: wiryaman@stnick.pko.dec.com (Santa Wiryaman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: logging revisited (was Re: A paradox?)
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:55:13 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA.

In article <1992Apr8.201527.23758@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
|> 	Let's get something straight here: the $2.1m will not go to
|> the state government, but to the federal's.  Given the federal
|> government's refusal to finance some of the Kelantan state projects
|> since PAS/Semangat 46 took power, there is no reason to believe that
|> the state government will see any of the $2.1m.  
|> 
|> ===------ 
|> NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
|> The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
|> promised to take our land and they took it.
|>                                                         Red Cloud

Let's apply the same logic to the logging in Serawak.  Malaysia has every rights
to cut down the trees for money.  Who'll get the money?  Probably the logging
companies get most of it, then the government in the form of corporate tax,
export fees, etc.  How will this be distributed for the benefit of Malaysians?
From your other posting it will be more likely used for the development of  Chinese-majority ports of Kuala Lumpur and Seremban than for ports in Kelantan.
(side note: excuse my ignorance on NEP, but how can these ports get more allocation while NEP is still in place?  Where is the quota when you need it?)

Given your hatred toward the Chinese Malaysians (I bet many of them in the above
mentioned ports don't even speak BM, is this safe to say?), and the fact that you and Kelantan will most likely NOT get any benefit of the logging in Serawak,
why in the world do you support cutting down of the trees, which have the potential adverse effects to Malaysian and world environment?

Just an opinion from a casual observer,

-- 
Santa Wiryaman

INTERNET : wiryaman@riscee.pko.dec.com
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:33:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.175710.14067@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>	This is a real world, buddy.  In a real world, all humans are
>not created equal.  Some people, like myself, are borned in poor
>families, and we have to do everything we can to go to the top.  Some
>people have their own lives handed to them on a silver-platter.  Wake
>up and smell the coffee, will you?

first of all, i'm not your buddy. Sure, we are all not created equal,everyone
knows that. and we are all not born with a silver spoon in our mouths.
Look. It's how we deal with our situations that makes us what we are .

I was born in a poor family too. But so what? does that mean that i have to be
bitter all my life and start resenting the others who are much more fortunate
than i am? Of course not. I have to fight my way up. How do you manage to make
it to the States? The federal govt paid for your college, perhaps? Well, tell
you something, you have nothing to gripe about. I have to pay for my own
college without the help of my govt, does that mean that i should hate or be
angry at the people who gets the grant because they are born 'priviledged'? No
way...that's not the way it works

You seem to think that Chinese are people who are all born rich....well, how
about those who have worked their way up? if you think that chinese
are "stooopid", then why are they the ones who are much better off
economically?

>	You would not know of an intelligent argument if one hits you
>on the face, so why waste the time?
>

So! that explains why the contents of your post are as such. Or is it because 
you can't produce an intelligent argument>? Either case, i understand......

>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Mohktar, Arunmugam
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:08:40 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <kuu6eeINNhks@news.bbn.com> saustin@bbn.com (Ling Khong) writes:
>Moey Wai Sin writes:
>
>
>>  > I thought football in Malaysia bind us together.  I was sadden
>>  > by the news of the deaths of Moktar Dahari (sp ??) and goalkeeper
>>  > Arunmugam (sp ??).
>
>I remember reading about Mokhtar's death a couple of years ago in a car
>accident. But when did Arumugam die? What did he die of?
>
>Talking about Malaysian footballers -- what has happened to people
>like Santokh Singh, Soh Chin Aun, James Wong, Wong Chee Keong (sp?)
>and people of that batch which ensured Malaysia' entry into the
>Olympics in 1972 (or was it 1976)?
>
>	Ling KHONG
>

	Mokhtar Dahari died several months ago from a muscular
dystrophy disease.  I believe Arumugam was the one who died from the
car crash.

	Also, the Malaysian football team qualified for the Olympic
Games only twice in our country history: 1972 and 1980.  In 1972, Syed
Ahmad was the hero as we defeated South Korea 2-1 to gain the entry.
In 1980, I believe we once again beat the South Korean team, but my
memory could be playing tricks on me...

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
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From: sworking@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Workinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Lecture and Workshop - Taoist Health Practice
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:02:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: leland.1992Apr9.010232.12083
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA


                   
Education in Taoist Health Practice

In early China, Taoists were famed for their longevity.  This longevity 
was the consequence of health sciences developed in the various Taoist 
monasteries.  Three foundations of Taoist health practice are chi kung, 
diet, and meditation.  Chi kung builds the body's energy capacity and 
facilitates healthy circulation.  The science of diet tailors an 
individual's eating patterns to the person's individual character and 
current circumstances.  Meditation calms the mind, thus avoiding the de 
stabilizing effects of mental agitation.  

Unfortunately, access to Taoist health science has been very limited, 
especially in the United.States., and it is rare to meet individuals who 
are qualified to teach these practices.  Kwan Saihung will be offering
instruction in Taoist health practices in the San Francisco Bay area 
during the spring of this year.  

Kwan Saihung has pursued scholarly and martial studies through a long and 
eventful life.  Today, he occasionally emerges from retirement to teach 
Taoist health practices in the belief that the benefits of such practice 
should be made available to all individuals.


Lecture:  An Introduction to Taoist Health Practice

	Time:  Friday, May 8 at 7:30 PM. 
	Location:  Cypress Room, Second Floor, 
	Tressidor Student Union, Stanford University
	Cost:  Free

          
Workshop:  Foundations of Taoist Health Practice
	Beginning Taoist Yoga:  The Eight Brocades Exercises
	Diet:  Theory and Practice
	Chi Kung:  Basic exercises to open the meridians and strengthen 
		   the body
	Meditation:  Golden Light Meditation
	Time:  Friday, May 15 (evening), May 16, May 17
	Location:  To be announced (General vicinity of Palo Alto)
	What to Bring:  1) A black sash of polyester/cotton, 6 inches in 
			width and long enough to wrap around your waist 4
			times, 2) Water, 3) Notebook 4) Towel or pad, 
			5) Sitting cushion for meditation.
	
	Later workshops in the series will introduce progressively more 
	advanced theory and exercises.

Interested individuals may wish to review the book, "Scholar Warrior, An 
Introduction to the Tao in Everyday Life" by Deng Ming-Dao, 1990, 
HarperCollins.  The book, written by Kwan Saihung's senior student, 
describes several Taoist health practices.

To register for the workshop or to obtain further information, please 
contact:

	Mitchell Tsao	
	Tsao's Acupuncture and Herbal Clinic				
	36601 Newark Blvd.						
	Old Town Center #2						
	Newark, California 94560
	(510) 795-1410

	   <or>

	Scott Workinger
	Box 9767
	Stanford, Ca. 94309
	sworking@leland.stanford.edu
From: rfreeman@vpnet.chi.il.us (Richard Freeman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Polish Troops In Croatia?
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:03:25 GMT
Organization: Vpnet Public Access

A cryptic report in Donasy, the Polish email journal, says that a
battallion of Polish troops wearing blue helmets and riding in 
armoured vehicles painted white just left for Croatia. I would assume
that if correct, this would be a report of Polish volunteer fighters
going to help Croatian Catholics. Does anyone have any more information
on this?

Internet: rfreeman@vpnet.chi.il.us
MCI Mail487-8467
Prodigy GCDS20A
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From: branley@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Mieszkanie do wynajecia
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:38:19 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

Szukam mieszkania do wynajecia na okres roku w Warszawie.3 lub 4 pokoje.


                          branley

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: minta@triton (Marek Minta)
Subject: Re: Polish Troops In Croatia?
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, CIS-AA - Ann Arbor MI, USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:13:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.040325.3056@vpnet.chi.il.us> rfreeman@vpnet.chi.il.us (Richard Freeman) writes:
>A cryptic report in Donasy, the Polish email journal, says that a
>battallion of Polish troops wearing blue helmets and riding in 
>armoured vehicles painted white just left for Croatia. I would assume
                                                                ~~~~~~

>that if correct, this would be a report of Polish volunteer fighters
>going to help Croatian Catholics. Does anyone have any more information
>on this?
>

Be careful when you assume - you know ASS U...?



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: bfatyga@hopi.. ("beata fatyga")
Subject: Re: Wiersze
Reply-To: bfatyga@silver.ucs.indiana.edu 
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 03:05:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.200635.34001@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>  
flatau@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Piotr Flatau) writes:
> fatalne 
> 
> P.
wcale nie fatalne. Doskonale! (= Mnie sie bardzo podobaly)
Jesli mozna, to prosze o wiecej.
                                       Beata
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: SASPLUND@finabo.abo.fi (Staffan Asplund AT)
Subject: navigation instrument
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:10:29 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20
From: jsw@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (Jacek Walicki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Net access in Eastern Europe (Summary)
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:27:01 GMT
Organization: 40N31m31s_105W0m43s

In soc.culture.polish, o2z@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Michal Jankowski) writes:

| You are wrong here, Internet IS available there (or rather here, 
| because I'm posting this from my office in Warsaw), at least in Poland
| and Hungary. Try 'ping fizyk.fuw.edu.pl'.
| Polish Internet network is growing very rapidly, with the number
| of nodes approaching 1000 (most of them PCs, but also some 'real'
| computers). It is at present limited to universities, educational
| and government institutions - no commercial net (yet).


Excellent and quite true. Can you ping however, any internet node,
say in Krakow? Is there one in Wroclaw? Can you ping it too?
What's a delay?

curious
jack walicki.
From: sasplund@abo.fi (Staffan Asplund AT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: navigation instrument
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:47:43 GMT
Organization: Abo Akademi University

Hello,
 
I have heard rumours about cheeper sextants ( an optical instrument 
used for navigation) available in eastern europe.

If you happens to know where to get one ( preferably of brass )
you could mail or send by normal post your price and a
description of it.

Sie konnen auch in Detsch antworten.


Staffan Asplund               mail: sasplund.abo.fi
Finbyvagen 47c12
21600 Pargas 
FINLAND

(Sorry about the previous articles :-) )
From: radek@flounder.ECE.ORST.EDU (Radoslaw Zakrzewski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Polish Troops In Croatia?
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:02:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1992Apr16.190224.4344
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis

In article <1992Apr16.040325.3056@vpnet.chi.il.us> rfreeman@vpnet.chi.il.us (Richard Freeman) writes:
>A cryptic report in Donasy, the Polish email journal, says that a
>battallion of Polish troops wearing blue helmets and riding in 
>armoured vehicles painted white just left for Croatia. I would assume
>that if correct, this would be a report of Polish volunteer fighters
>going to help Croatian Catholics. Does anyone have any more information
>on this?

Haven't you heard about United Nations forces in ex-Yugoslavia??? Boy, 
what an idea - Polish army sponsoring volunteers to help their fellow 
Catholics in Croatia... I haven't heard anything more absurd for a long
time. 
Radek Zakrzewski
From: jsw@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (Jacek Walicki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Re: Email z Polski..
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:28:28 GMT
Organization: 40N31m31s_105W0m43s

In soc.culture.polish, jjt@aristotle.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Jack Tuszynski) writes:

| Ja winie system spoleczny w Polsce. 

Eee, nie trzeba az tak daleko Panie Jacku.
Ja winie linie telefoniczne. Proste.

jsw.
From: EM20@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Advice on funding bodies ...
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:56:33 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool


Czesc!

I have been invited to the Computer Science department, AGH, Krakow
for 3 months to collaborate on a research project. However, I have
no funding!

Does anyone know names and addresses of grant-making trusts or
foundations who may help me with the funding?

Please e-mail john%buck@uknet.ac.uk

Dziekuje bardzo!

John Galletly
University of Buckingham, UK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: mbk113@rsphy3.anu.edu.au (Marek Kaminski)
Subject: re: Pieczarki k/Gizycka
Reply-To: mbk113@rsphy3.anu.edu.au (Marek Kaminski)
Organization: Australian National University, Canberra
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 08:25:34 GMT

A person from Stanford who sent me an Email about Pieczarki is kindly
requested to
send it again; the original copy perished with the disk it was stored
on. Thanks,
Marek Kaminski.
From: zbig@wariat.org (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Wiersze
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:54:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: wariat.1992Apr11.005438.3959
Organization: Akademia Pana Kleksa, Public Access Uni* Site





	***


Szary pielgrzym 

stawia kroki powoli,
przysiada przy drodze, 
usmiecha sie do slonca.

Szary pielgrzym 

nosi dobytek w zanadrzy.

oglada swiat oczami malego dziecka,
cieszy sie ze swiergotu ptakow,
i teskni za smakiem domowego chleba.

Wieczorem stuka do czyichs drzwi,
i prosi o goscine. Pokornie.
Zaplaci gaweda, dobrym slowem, bajka.

Nie pamieta 
gdzie sie urodzil, jak go zw,a.

Czasami, 
	gdy odejdzie w marzenia
Twarz mu sie wygladza, 
oczy rozjasniaja,
usta skladaja sie do slow
....kochana...

lzy tocza sie z oczu,
twarz blaknie, szarzeje.



			Cleveland, 09 kwiecien 1992.



	Wizyta...


Kolejne stukanie do drzwi,
kolejna wizyta.

Coraz trudniej zapamietac twarze
i smiac sie na pokaz.
Coraz dalej od znajomych katow, 
codziennego zgielku, 
bliskosci zawistnego sasiada.

Niczym w Galczynskim wciaz uciekamy.
Cwiercswiatowcy.
polinteligenci.
Pelni tchorze....

Byc moze przez pomylke wygralismy los,
nie znajac zasad,
nie majac stawki,
ot tak - przypadkiem.

Przepustk,a do dnia jutrzejszego 
tym co pozwala nam codziennie
spojrzec w lustro 
dla wielu z nas jest pol/o'wka,
dla innych niepami,ec'.

Cytat z Kafki
"Jak moze byc czlowiek w ogole winny"
nabiera szyderczej wartosci.
Jestesmy winni
jestesmy _inni_
jestesmy soba. 


Kolejne stukanie do drzwi,
kolejna wizyta.....


			Cleveland, 09 Kwietnia 1992
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