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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 12:46:34 EDT
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Results of cheating Q.
              25 Aug 1992 08:27:00 MDT from <PSYLLH@FREUD.SBS.UTAH.EDU>

Regarding the "it depends" option we all have when answering questionnaires,
I agree with Loree 100%.  I refuse to limit myself to options other people
present.  If I don't have the option presented, I create it.  I write
it in.

My friends get quite miffed here when they ask me to participate in a
study.  I decline.  They ask why.  I say that they will end up
throwing out my data anyway.  I always feel like I'm wasting my time
filling out questionnaire (re-writing the questionnaires along the way).
Then they either say that it is okay and they still don't understand,
or they say it's only a pilot study, in which case, I participate.
If the study measures other behavior, I usually participate.

Picture this, someone asks you the question,
How much do you agree with X?
1. Not at all
2. Somewhat
3. Indifferent
4. I agree
5. I strongly agree

If I think that agreement is bimodal, binary, or either there or not,
and I chose option 4 "I agree," then I also state that I believe that
agreement can be quantified over and above establishing presence or not.

If in X*1 case, I would choose number 4, but in X*2 case I would choose
number 1, how do I answer this question?  It depends on which case of
X the experimenter is talking about.  Therefore, either "It depends" or
I circle both the number 4 and the number 1.  What does the researcher
do with 2, 3, 4, or 5 answers to the same question?  I think the data
gets thrown away.

Any words from the house?  Have Fun!

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From:         tmsellers@UALR.EDU
Subject:      E-MAIL GROUP FOR I/O

        Does anyone know of an E-mail group especially for I/O psychology
 or organizational development? I'm searching for a friend, so please
 respond to me personally.
        Thanks,
        Tammy
        TMSELLERS@UALR.EDU
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From:         Mustafa AlAbsi <u717@REX.UOKHSC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: We are married!
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Best wishes Matthew and Monica!! Mustafa
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 10:30:00 EDT
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From:         NANCY BRITON <BRITON@NUHUB.BITNET>
Subject:      competition reply

I would like to reply to Jorge from the U.K.'s reply to my comments about
competition v cooperation, but I have no idea what you are saying.  I
think you disapprove of what I said, and I think it may be because we
define "competition" differently, but I really can't decipher what you
mean.

nancy at northeastern
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:11:24 -0400
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From:         "Patricia Lombard Fiero" <plf2e@POE.ACC.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: PSYCGRAD Project Announcement

I know that you get this stupid question all of the time, but I
have to ask it again:  How do I unsubscribe from PSYCGRAD?  I
saved the project announcement thinking the answer would
certainly be in there when the time came to unsubscribe, however
I cannot find it.  It would be VERY helpful if the unsubscribe
info was included in the original "how to subscribe" info.

By the way congratulations on your marriage and hope you're
enjoying the honeymoon!

Patty Fiero

P.S. I am very pleased with PSYCGRAD, the reason I am
unsubscribing is that now that school has started I don't have
time to read it as religiously so I will be getting PSYCGRAD-D
instead.
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:39:20 PDT
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From:         Stephanie Fishkin <fishkin@ALUDRA.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: APA Report
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              Aug 28, 92 9:40 am

So what DID happen at the Ball that made you so frustrated (besides bad
food and expensive wine)?  Where were y'all (I came looking and found no
one)?

I have to say that I never did receive any messages through the system from
you, although my hotel was good about delivering one from you.


Anyone else have things to share about the conference?

Stephanie (who is presently having writers block from hell!)
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: video suggestions

Neal,

        Why videos!?  Why not in-class demonstrations using students
in the class as subjects!?  It works wonderfully!
        --K. Morgan
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From:         "Philip Richins, Continuing Education, CWU,
              (509) 963-1504" <RICHINSP@CWU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Trapping is Male?

There are a great number of person subsribed to this list.
Also there is a core of "frequent users" who enter debates with
much energy.
Those of use who wait on the sideline (most of the time) are not being
confrontational or entrapping.  Some of us are males!

Note of confession here --->  I am often being passive-agressive when I
don't enter in the debate.  I find many to be ego stroking rather than
illuminating.

My Kudos extend to Mike Babak, who I find to be a clear and stable thinker.

I will accept replies on or off the list from any person(s) thinking that
I am targeting them for a "flame."

(sorry for not spelling your name right Mike (Babyak).  I hit my <return>
without looking at what I had entered.)

Phil  RICHINSP@CWU.BITNET
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From:         "David M. Fresco" <FRESCO@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Anima

Laurence,
Regrets about your sense of hopelessness and I think ascertaining the
etiology of your relationship woes could make for an appropriate
discussion. But I for one would not stop at "your anima" as an adequate
explanation for your difficulties.  Jungian psychology, while it's
entertaining, is not very helpful in explaining much of anything.
David Fresco
UNC-Chapel Hill
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From:         lindberg@PSYCH.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      Psych-iatry vs -ology?
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     I have got to disagree with Eric Zorrilla, who said:
>Moreover, you can get an equivalent MD training (w/out the clinical
>exposure) from within your PhD psychology program and save time by avoiding
>time-wasting rotations that are not relevent to your objectives...

     First, I think that it is precisely the clinical exposure which
constitutes the bulk of the clinical training.  While the first two years of
med school are mostly basic sciences (with the notable exceptions of anatomy
and physiology), the last two years are usually "clinical exposure"

     Second, when you are talking about the effect that drugs may have
on different organic systems, or the interactions of multiple drugs on
the human body (not to mention illness processes that may imitate,
create, or exacerbate psychopathology) I don't think there are a lot of
"time-wasting rotations" not relevant to your objectives.

     On the other hand, I don't think recently graduated MDs should go around
"giving therapy" in their first (or second, or third, but that's MY bias)
year of internship/residency.  Their attitude is similar to some of the
thoughts expressed in this discussion: "Gee, we've had a whole semester of
behavioral sciences, three whole hours per week; we've memorized Freud's
psychosexual stages of development and can name all the the personality
disorders... What do you mean we're not ready to go out there and DO
therapy? Why would we need to learn about developmental psych, learning
theory, and cognitive therapy -just to name a few unnecessary courses-?
     Nangel @ UCLA
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From:         "Kathryn Irene Snyder" <IRENES@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      medications

This is probably a very basic question, but I would like to know...
besides the authority to prescribe medications, what is the difference
between clinical psychiatrists and  psychologists?? I always understood
psychiatrists to be essentially MDs with psych. training, or psychologis
ts with MDs. Please elucidate me.

On a completely unrelated topic, does anyone have an email address for
Dr. Ruth Day at Duke University??

Guess I'll go get some work done...
Irene
irenes@unc.bitnet
irenes%unc.bitnet@mcnc.org
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Subject:      set nomail

How does one get off the psycgrad email system altogether?
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From:         "Kathryn M. Etling" <kme2q@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      questionnaires and data collection
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On Aug 25 Matthew Simpson made comments about the cheating questionnaire and
questionnaires in general ........


     I, too, agree wholeheartedly!!!  One of the major problems with
questionnaires is that they are very restrictive in terms of responses.
Being in the social area of psychology, I deal with this problem all of the
time.  We rely on questionnaires more often than we should in the area.

     As my advisor would say, PRETEST, PRETEST, PRETEST, and make sure that
you have a follow-up interview that asks your participants how you might
improve the study!  I always want to know if another option for a particular
question should be included, and love to have subjects fill in their own
response!  This lets me know where I have gone awry in designing the
questionnaire.  Pilot studies are wonderful for letting us know where we need
to fine tune our designs.

always open for new suggestions,

kate
University of Virginia
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From:         Eric Zorrilla <zorrilla@CATTELL.PSYCH.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      [Curriculum for Prescription]

Dave and Nangel (among others) have raised the issue of what constitutes
reasonable preparation for a psychologist to have autonomous prescription
privileges.  I propose:

Course Work
Inorganic Chemistry (1 year)
Intro Biology (1 semester)
Intro to Physiology (1 semester)
Intro to Neurobiology (1 semester)
Behavioral Neuroscience (1 semester)
Introduction to Pharmacology (1 semester)
Psychopharmacology or Behavioral Pharmacology (1 semester)

(Ideally, Intro to pharmacology and psychopharmacology would be developed into
an integrated one year class specific to training prescription of psycho-
active medications).

At least two of the following:
Organic Chemistry			Microbiology and Immunology
Biochemistry				Molecular and Cell Biology
Endocrinology

Clinical Work
1 year practica in a hospital setting administering consultative drug regimens
1 year post-doc where part of function is performing above


Comments?  Does this seem unreasonable?  Do any clinical folks out there
envision themselves taking a curriculum like this if they would get pre-
scription privileges out of it?

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From:         AVISHAI ANTONOVSKY <KPUAV@HUJIVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      address in Berkeley, CA

Hi psycgraders,

This isn't directly related to psychology. Apologies.
Does anyone know an email address for Dr. Leonard Syme in the School of
Public Health at UC at Berkeley? Or the email address of George Kaplan
at the Department of Health Services of the State of California in Berkeley?
Thanks alot!

Avishai Antonovsky  <KPUAV at HUJIVM1>
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From:         "Lora L. Harpster" <PSYLLH@FREUD.SBS.UTAH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Stats: Power Analysis

Hi,

     Here's my two cents worth as far as power analysis is concerned, not
that I represent myself as any kind of expert on the subject.

     For my information, I went back to the text I use to teach Sadistics,
and found a section on determining effect size.  The text is Keiss,
"Statistical Concepts for the Behavioral Sciences" (1989) published by Allyn
and Bacon.  The applicable page numbers 505-519.

>   3. The effect size, Cohen says,is the hardest to figure, which is right
>   in my case.As he says, I need to have some idea of the effect size
>   preferably from previous research, which I do. I have a study that
>   is almost exactly what I'm doing, but with different populations. I
>   have from that study means on the difference between the three groups
>   following the treatment. But I don't know how to turn that into an
>   effect size. Once I know the effect size, I THINK I can plug it into
>   the equations/examples he provides.
>      Is that enough to go on so far?
   Tim

 Keiss suggests computing eta squared and then translating that into the
equivalent d to gain a measure of effect size.  For instance an eta squared
of .11 computed on two independent means would correspond to an effect size
of .703.  Keiss suggests that you consult Cohen's (1977) "Statistical Power
Analysis for the Behavioral Sciences" to find the tables you would need to
translate eta squared to effect sizes, especially for more than two groups.

     I was surprised by and impressed with this text book. While being an
"elementary" stats book for undergrads it is surprisingly comprehensive, and
easy to read.

     I don't know if this will help or not!



Loree Harpster  University of Utah  PSYLLH@FREUD.SBS.UTAH.EDU
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From: kwhite@WAM.UMD.EDU (Kenneth V. White)
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Subject: Trapps, pits, males and females.
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:27:08 GMT
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Debate is good.  Men are your friends.

Kenn in College Park
(kwhite@wam.umd.edu)
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Stats: Power Analysis

   I need a stats consult from those of you who are familiar with
power analysis.  I have a lot of the Cohen stuff but I want to confirm
that my understanding of some of it is correct.
   Please send me a note at UFTRT at NERVM unless others on psycgrad
want to listen in on the consult for their own edification.
Thanks in advance,
Tim
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:43:29 CDT
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From:         HOPE@UKANVM.BITNET
Subject: Re: Results of cheating Q.

I often am interested to hear people speak of the
difference between hard and soft data.  I would like to hear various
definitions of these two categories.  I am not convinced
that the distinction is so clear, especially depending on what we are
interested in understanding about a phenomenon.
There is a classic article by a biostatistician (the citation for
which I'll dig up soon) who disputes the notion that things like lab
values, eeg's, etc are as hard as we would imagine them.  Anyone
know this paper?  Think the title is literally something like:
Hard vs Soft Data.  It is argued largely from a measurement theory
perspective.
But even given problems with measurement, no matter how hard  the data are,
the route from data to interpretation to understanding is filled with
unprovable assumptions and discretions.

MIKE BABYAK UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS         *THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME*
HOPE@UKANVM
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:24:41 PDT
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From:         Rick Adams <adamsr@NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Anima
              92 3:51 pm

==>
==> Rick,
==> As you say it is a matter of perspective.  Still, I would rather come to
==> understand my relationships in terms of conditioning history rather than
==> an esoteric construct like "anima" that eludes scientific study.
==> I would be delighted to have an anima. . .and a collective unconscious,
==> an id, ego and super ego too.  Yet after dilligent searches, I find none
==> of these constructs.
==> Why make additional assumptions about the basis of personality
==> development when there exists a simple, elegant explanations offered by
==> behavioral and cognitive-behavioral persectives?  If you are indeed a
==> Jungian, it's your model that could be lightened by jettisonning some
==> excess baggage.

	Interesting.

	I never realized that the behavioral or cognitive-behavioral
perspectives explained all human behavior.

	Gee.

	I wonder why they still teach the other approaches in clinical
programs - historic interest, perhaps?

	A colleague of mine is a neuropsychologist. I wonder if he's has
realized yet that everything is behavioral? Another colleague teaches from a
psycho-dynamic perspective. I'm sure he'd be happy to know that none of what
he is teaching is valid, as well.

	Most practicing clinicians I'm aquainted with tend (as I do) toward
a more electic approach in which we "extract" those aspects of each theory
that we find most applicapable both to the type of clients we work with (my
focus is on criminal psychology, primarily working with sex offenders and
sociopaths [antisocial personality disorder, for the perfectionists] -
mostly in prison or state hospital settings). And while there ARE times when
behavioral approaches are appropriate, there are also times when depth
psychology is indicated.

	Just as you cannot "find" your ego, id, or anima - I cannot locate
cognitive "causes" for all my behaviors. Nor can I attribute my overall
gestalt to conditioning and reinforcement.

	The field of psychology is young enough that no single theoretical
approach can reasonably be said to represent "the truth." To claim otherwise
is simply to ignore reality - something a cognitivist SURELY wouldn't want
to be guilty of! ;-)

	BTW, I found MY Anima - it was hiding behind my shadow giggling over
a comment my trickster made about behaviorism.


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From:         "Matthew Prull" <PRULLM@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU>
Subject:      Introduction
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Hi all!  Because I'm a new member to the list, I thought an introduction
would be appropriate.

My name is Matthew Prull and I'm about to begin my second year at the
Claremont Graduate School in the cognitive psych program there.
(Claremont, by the way, is in southern California, about 35 miles east
of LA, and it's phenomenally HOT here right now....).  I'm predominantly
interested in all aspects of human memory, and have just recently joined
the implicit memory bandwagon.  Specifically, I'm interested in the
memory processes of older adults...what is spared, what is impaired, that
kind of thing.  I'm also interested in schemata and its role in memory,
as well as eyewitness testimony.  I'd like to hear from and exchange ideas
with others on the net with similar interests.

Type to you all later!

Matthew Prull <PRULLM@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU>
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From: I_GREFTEGREF@unit.avh.no (Irene Greftegreff)
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Subject: labrys
Date: 24 Aug 92 08:42:05 GMT
Organization: University of Trondheim, AVH
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Excuse me, but is "labrys" a new / different spelling for "labyris - ?
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From:         "Kathryn Irene Snyder" <IRENES@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: We are married!

Congradulations!!
irene
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