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From: edw@boi.hp.com (Edward Walsh)
Subject: Re: Virago euro style twin?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:16:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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markt@cup.hp.com (Mark Thompson) writes:
: Does anyone know the specific model number or name of the 900~cc Virago that
: is setup as an upright european style v twin sporty.  I have seen only

XV920RJ or XV920RH. TR-1 in Europe and Australia I think. The nice ones have
a large round headlamp, and gaitors over the front forks. I've seen two with
a truly ugly quarter fairing and small rectangular headlamp.
They have an enclosed chain drive. Made in 80 and 81 (or is it 81 and 82) in
for the US market, but I believe they continued selling them elsewhere beyond
that. I've got more info at home if you need it I'll look it up.
------------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company-------
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Subject: Re: Loud pipes: get some perspective
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:43:25 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <1992Nov12.195442.7180@spdc.ti.com> crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.152905.13420@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston) writes:
>>A trained rider has a better chance of avoiding a collision than an untrained
>>rider (in theory anyway).  The primary purpose of a helmet is to reduce injury
>>in a collision.
>
>I agree with the statement about training.  But as for the primary
>purpose of a helmet, I can't agree.  Is  this part of the MSF
>curriculum?  Don't get me wrong, I wear a helmet -- law or no law, 
>but this has little to do with the crashworthiness of helmeted vs 
>unhelmeted heads.  For me, the best *safety* features of a helmet
>are the things it does to help keep me *out* of accidents.  These   
>include:
>	     Shedding wind, rain, rocks, bugs
>	     Reducing noise fatigue
>	     Keepping my head warm/cool/un-sunburned  as required
>
>This helps me keep my concentration where it belongs.  For the record,
>I'm against helmet laws, seat-belt laws, and any other legislation 
>designed primarily to protect *me* from *me*.
>>
>>Chas
>>
>Mark Crowder                                            crowder@spdc.ti.com 
>Dallas, Tx                    88 BMW R100RS         Texas Instruments, Inc.
>|Disclaimer:  The advice/comments |"Dear Lord, give me chastity and self- |
>|expressed above may occasionally |restraint ... but not yet, O Lord, not |
>|be worth what you paid for them. |yet!"   -- St Augustine, A.D. 354-430  |


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Cagers' fault in 80% of cage-bike accidents
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:03:35 GMT

In article <BxJHx3.MsJ@cmptrc.lonestar.org> neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>I've got an idea (oops, look out!) How about this: since probably all
>states in the US now have mandatory liability insurance requirements,
>wouldn't it be nice if all insurance companies required cage drivers who
>are not also motorcyclists to take (and pass) a course in motorcycle
>awareness before they will sell them the liability insurance.

Nope.  It'd never pass for mandatory insurance.  Now, offering discounts,
that's another matter.  But then, since the various DOTs are too wimpy
to require mandatory proficiency training and testing for _all_ drivers,
I think the insurance companies should offer sizeable discounts to
drivers who regularly complete advanced driving classes.  But then,
don't expect the insurance industry to do anything to reduce costs when
they can raise premiums.

-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
Subject: Re: GTS1000A gripe
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:56:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.185543.12008@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>
>Why the f*** can't they put hard luggage brackets on a $16k bike? You buy
>a huge, expensive machine and you can't ride it three blocks without a 
>tankbag because there's no place to store some bungee cords and a pair of
>sunglasses! Or a rainsuit for those of us who don't live in the Southern 

I agree. I'm really confused about Yamaha's marketing strategy here. They
say they're targeting the 35-45 male who's looking for something technically
advanced and has the yuppie big bucks to warrant a $15K price tag.

But every "older" person I know has some fairly simple requirements - and
integrated luggage is one of them (not to mention shaft drive 8-)).

Who the hell is going to buy this bike since all the loyal FJ riders
will stay with the FJ? Oh wait I know, the testosterone-driven techno-
yuppie! 

-John
============================================================================
            John S. Morris  #0316      Ride: K100RS Cage: 320i 
  Open Software Foundation - 11 Cambridge Centre - Cambridge, MA 02142 USA
    Voice: +1 (617) 621-8739 Fax: +1 (617) 621-0584 Email: jsm@osf.org
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: k21701@kyyppari.hkkk.fi (Teppo Nieminen)
Subject: Re: Ducati's advantage in WSB (update)
Date:  7 Nov 92 07:57:11 GMT
Organization: Helsinki School of Economics, Finland

Maybe the Italians are preparing themselves for new rules. In the next
spring in Milan show, Cagiva/Ducati will introduce an in-line four
with a deltabox frame. The engine is liquid-cooled four-valve/cylinder
developed by none other than Ferrari and has a reported 160 hp in race
form, but only 120 for the street. One can only admire the persistence
of the Castiglioni brothers in the field of motorcycle racing.

						Teppo Nieminen
						DoD #2000
						Zoo Mc
						Kawasaki KZ 750
 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: 2-strokes (was:Re: REQUEST: short fella has a question or two...
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:27:58 GMT

In <1992Nov12.222934.2542@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang) writes:

>In article <1992Nov12.215739.10125@rd.hydro.on.ca>, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov11.172357.2534@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>>>

>	Interesting...  shows you what I know about 2-strokes.  I would sure
>like to see a current-tech streetable 2-stroke.  Sheah, good luck.  *sigh*

  The Canadian spec. RZ350 from about 85 on (full fairing) is pretty
damn current considering there were no significant design changes made.
It produces a claimed 55 HP through different ignition, barrels, and
crank than US version. I beleive it weighs in at 380 lbs wet. Shows what
a lack of weight can do for a bike. Had Yamaha put a truly sophisticated
suspension on it (TZR250,NS400) they'd still be making them today.

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |          **           | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer" - IT175 |           - anonymous
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: *** '74 KAW MACH II ***
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:26:50 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Wednesday November 11 1992 09:10, The Nashville Flash wrote to All:

 >> The Mach III was the H1 500 triple, the Mach IV was the H2 750 triple,
 >> and I don't remember anything at all like a Mach II 400 triple in '74.

 TNF> My olde rusty brain-pan is telling me that the Kwaker 2-stroke triple
 TNF> which my friend Brian and I (B.A.D. Racing = Brian And David) raced at
 TNF> A.I.R. and Clermont was an S2.  Or was it S3?  Hell that was in 1980.
 TNF> Mebbe the 400 was really a 350.  Mebbe the 400 used to BE a 350.

Yes, I remember the S designations. You can still grey market import one, I
think.

 TNF> Riddle:  What do you get when you bore a 350 out to 750?

A handgrenade?

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
Organization: University Libraries - Library Automatio, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:01:04 -0500 
From: Christine Hogan <ch3c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Inadequacey (Was: Re: Not Re:)
	<1992Nov9.194114.26600@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>

>From: jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette)
>Date: 9 Nov 92 19:41:14 GMT
> 
>In article <1992Nov2.184628.17271@cis.ohio-state.edu>
hogan@pear.cis.ohio-state
>.edu (christopher hogan) writes:
>          ^^^^^^
>????
> 
>	
>>Yeah...So I'm wrong.  Only trying to justify my own feelings of inadequacey.
>                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Well, I guess you can attribute that to your lack of manlihood.
> 
>>---
>>Chris
>>DoD #0736
>>hogan@cis.ohio-state.edu
 
Do you have Christine and Christopher confused?
There are two of us. Christine is at CMU in Pittsburgh
Christopher is at Ohio state.
We are not related, except by our similar names.
Finger us and find out :->


|Chris Hogan                    |         1127                 |     
|ch3c+@andrew.cmu.edu           | Soft as the massacre of Suns |
|                               | By Evening's Sabres slain    |        
          
|CB-1                           |             emily dickinson  |
From: gnome@pd.org (Mike Mitten)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Solution to toll booth troubles
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:33:59 GMT
Organization: The Laughing Gnome Software Farm
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Eugene F. Styer (styer@ms.uky.edu) wrote:
>When I was getting ready to leave Atlanta, they had come up with an unique
>idea for getting around that: they were preparing a (2 mile?) stretch with
>federal funds that was "free", but fed directly into a toll stretch (3 miles?)
>if you wanted to go anywhere useful.  As I remember, they decided it was
>ok, but I don't know if all the challenges were completed (can anyone give more
>recent information on the GA 400 extension?)

Well, they're working on the road as we speak, but I've never heard
anything about making any part of 400 a toll road.  Hell, if they
did that, most people would probably just user 75 or 85, like they
do now, and nothing would have been solved.

  -Mike

Mike Mitten - gnome@pd.org - ...!emory!pd.org!gnome - DoD#522
Irony is the spice of life.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Turning on bumpy roads
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:09:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> That's dumb.

 I don't think so.


-> 40 mph is plenty fast enough to kill ya, boy, an' I go faster'n that
-> every day.

 Stationary is fast enough to kill you, should some cager decide to run
a stop sign you're sitting at.
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Turning on bumpy roads
Date: 5 Nov 1992 18:58:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us, dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)  writes:
>
>-> I don't know, how fast is fast?
>
> "It'll go fast enough to kill ya, boy, an' you cain't go no faster'n
>that!

That's dumb.

40 mph is plenty fast enough to kill ya, boy, an' I go faster'n that
every day.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Motowear suit.  Anybody interested?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 00:34:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu



I recieved my Motowear suit last Friday.  If anyone is interested, I can
tell you about it.  Send me specific questions and I will answer them i{f
if I can, and post all the questions and answers to rec.motorcycles.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------>DarkMan-------->
Case Western Reserve University,  Cleveland, Ohio            DoD #650
Anyone know where a BSME can get a job?  Available 1/93.  This is for real!
From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: test
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:44:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: emoryu1.1323
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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this is a test
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Shaft effect, What is it?
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:31:10 GMT

In article <Bx9r7H.6Gz@tridom.com> alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:
|Agreed, you do see some racers on shaft drives.  However, if you ask Mike
|(I did last weekend at the WERA races) he'll mention how one of his secrets
|is being able to gear the bike so he can go through the turns (especially
|the esses) without having to downshift.  Since he doesn't have to down
|shift, *he doesn't have to deal with the shaft effects*.  Those were his
|words, not mine.   'Course it also proves that proper gearing and *damned*
|fine riding can nullify any shaft effect.

  Thanks for posting this, Alan!

  And to you people (mostly BMW-o-files) that sent me letters saying I was
full of shit, and the one or two that posted to that effect:

                                NYAH!!!! :-) :-)

  I was right, I was right, you were wrong!!!  NYAH!!! :-) :-)  "Shaft-effect"
exists, even though *most* of YOU never ride hard enough to know one way or
the other!  (This of course, does NOT include Hesh, Phil, and a few others,
but neither did they say I was wrong, either :-).

  SO THERE!

  I feel much better, now... :-)

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Turning on bumpy roads
From: jerry@stratford.dab.ge.com (Jerry Szulinski)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 19:07:10 GMT
Organization: GE Simulation & Control Systems. Daytona Beach, FL

In article <RTARAZ.92Nov2124029@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
>
> How dangerous it is to lean into a turn on a bumpy road.
> I know it depends on your speed, but how bumpy is bumpy?
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>|                             rtaraz@wpi.wpi.edu                              |
>|                                1988 EX500                                   |
>|                                DOD # 0740                                   |
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>      
The shortest, yet the most thorough discussion I've ever seen on the net.

Jerry S.
From: crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Loud pipes: get some perspective
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:54:42 GMT
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center

In article <1992Nov11.152905.13420@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston) writes:
>A trained rider has a better chance of avoiding a collision than an untrained
>rider (in theory anyway).  The primary purpose of a helmet is to reduce injury
>in a collision.

I agree with the statement about training.  But as for the primary
purpose of a helmet, I can't agree.  Is  this part of the MSF
curriculum?  Don't get me wrong, I wear a helmet -- law or no law, 
but this has little to do with the crashworthiness of helmeted vs 
unhelmeted heads.  For me, the best *safety* features of a helmet
are the things it does to help keep me *out* of accidents.  These   
include:
	     Shedding wind, rain, rocks, bugs
	     Reducing noise fatigue
	     Keepping my head warm/cool/un-sunburned  as required

This helps me keep my concentration where it belongs.  For the record,
I'm against helmet laws, seat-belt laws, and any other legislation 
designed primarily to protect *me* from *me*.
>
>Chas
>
Mark Crowder                                            crowder@spdc.ti.com 
Dallas, Tx                    88 BMW R100RS         Texas Instruments, Inc.
|Disclaimer:  The advice/comments |"Dear Lord, give me chastity and self- |
|expressed above may occasionally |restraint ... but not yet, O Lord, not |
|be worth what you paid for them. |yet!"   -- St Augustine, A.D. 354-430  |
From: news@osf.org (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Shaft effect, What is it?
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:01:46 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation

gatek.com>
Organization: Open Software Foundation
From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
In article <1992Nov6.023110.431@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>
>  I was right, I was right, you were wrong!!!  NYAH!!! :-) :-)  "Shaft-effect"
>exists, even though *most* of YOU never ride hard enough to know one way or
>the other!  (This of course, does NOT include Hesh, Phil, and a few others,
>but neither did they say I was wrong, either :-).
>
Well, I don't ride hard enough to obfuscate the shaft effect of my non-
paralever Beamer. It's there all right.

Bit we're missing the other side of the story - the chain effect and the
more insideous - belt effect! The chain effect being that obnoxious
wizzing noise chains make as they spew oil on the rear wheel. I don't
dare speculate in public on the dreaded belt effect......

-John
============================================================================
            John S. Morris  #0316      Ride: K100RS Cage: 320i 
  Open Software Foundation - 11 Cambridge Centre - Cambridge, MA 02142 USA
    Voice: +1 (617) 621-8739 Fax: +1 (617) 621-0584 Email: jsm@osf.org
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                                                 William Morris (1882)
From: marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: GTS1000A gripe
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:22:52 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:

>Why the f*** can't they put hard luggage brackets on a $16k bike?

First, the GTS1000A is only a $13k bike in the US.  Second, neither the
sales brocure nor any of the 5 motorcycle magazine articles `previewing'
the bike have stated with authority that it doesn't have hidden luggage
bracket mounts.  I've even heard a rumor (from a Yamaha dealer) that Yamaha
itself plans to offer accessory hard luggage and mounts.

>My hat goes off to BMW, who builds the option of lockable storage into 
>everything they make.

For a (steep) price!  The K1100RS will reportedly cost more than the
GTS1000A and you still have to pay extra for the luggage.  The GTS1000A and
the ST1100 both offer (small) lockable storage compartments, plus the under-
the-seat storage.

>You can't put hard bags on an FJ, a TDM or a ZX-11, or on a GTS!

Not true.  The GTS1000A was designed for the European market, where I've
heard there is already one luggage manufacturer who's announced they will
offer aftermarket hard bags for the GTS1000A.

>The manufacturers come up with these wonderful riding machines but make it
>a pain in the ass for people who really want to use them. The real world of
>commuting and grocery shopping requires a clock and some reasonable storage
>space. My next bike will have both.

I agree about the clock and storage space (and how'bout a gear indicator?).
The ST1100 meets those criteria nicely, but is seriously HEAVY.  I expect
the GTS1000A to be at least 150 pounds lighter, which is still heavy for a
sport touring bike.  But then, even the BMW K-bikes are heavy, so maybe
weight and sport touring have been deemed to belong together by the
manufacturers...
--
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22425 E. Appleway Ave.        |  or:  ...!uunet!isc-br!hela!marcl
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From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: UK - Motorcycle Show
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:59:01 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Nov10.085942.6437@galadriel.bt.co.uk> ant@galadriel.bt.co.uk (Antony Espindola) writes:
>From article <1dm7b3INNgd4@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, by rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier):

>> Anybody going to the Motorcycle Show at the National Exhibition Centre,
>> England, on Saturday 5th December?

>> It's a suitable occasion for a DoD meeting as there are already 3 members
>> going.

>Yup, I'll be there.
>It's a bit too far to bike though, so it'll be a coach job.

Me too. It's a bit far for a coach, so I'll be biking.



-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Spanning The Globe
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:34:57 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA

crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder) writes:
>behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed) writes:
>>>shoun@netcom.com (Lissa Shoun) writes:
>>Of sailing ships,
>>And sealing wax,
>>Of cabbages and kings.
>>
>>>...
>>>And whether pigs have 'Wings."
>>
>>	I used to know the whole poem.  Anyone know what title I can
>>look for to refresh my memory?
>
>It is in one of Lewis Carol's works ... "Through the Looking Glass", 
>I believe.  Hmmm, or mabe it was "Alice in Wonderland".  Jeez, I don't
>remember either ...

"The Walrus and the Carpenter" from _Alice in Wonderland_
by Lewis Carroll 

(The Walrus and the Carpenter invite the Oysters to walk along the beach 
with them...)

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things.
Of shoes, and ships, and sealing wax.
Of cabbages and kings.
And why the sea is boiling hot
And whether pigs have wings."

"But wait a bit!" the Oysters cried,
"Before we have our chat
For some of us are out of breath,
And all of us are fat."
"No hurry," said the Carpenter.
They thanked him much for that.

(Then the Oysters learn of the pair's interest in marine zoology...)

Karen Black

ObMoto:  Single-minded about thumpers!
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