HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thaanuj@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (John Thaanum)
Subject: Re: Dungeon Master Version Numbers
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 04:17:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.200629.20759@actrix.gen.nz> Steven.Wells@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>
  <some info about versions deleted>
>
>Generally - those are the only major changes, all the rest is fixing
>bugs - so the game is virtually uncrashable!  (Even v1.0 is almost
>uncrashable, except where Lord Chaos is concerned)

Well, my version (can't remember which it is, since I am without a color
display of any kind right now) starts acting wierd after an hour or so of
use.  The floppy disk is accessed for no apparent reason, again and again,
with increasing frequency, and eventually results in the death of all my
characters.  I get the dreaded scream-and-crossbones for each character,
aigghhh...aiggghhh...aigghhh...aigghhh.  When I see the floppy-access light
come on  unexpectedly, I know I have to save soon and re-boot.  

And, no, I am not running a pirated version.  (I even have the FTL [swoosh!]
sticker on my floppy-disk carrier.  )

>-- 
>        Wells_S@Kosmos.WCC.Govt.NZ     /     Steven.Wells@BBS.Actrix.Gen.NZ 
>                   $$$$$$$$ Nil Mortifi Sine Lucre $$$$$$$$


-- 
      +--------------------------------------------------------+
	   John Thaanum          thaanuj@prism.cs.orst.edu
	"A better tomorrow takes your best today..."  -Triumph
      +--------------------------------------------------------+
From: abaddon@supr.scm.liv.ac.uk (Kevin o donovan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon and A/D
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:23:21 GMT
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

>>>>> On 27 Aug 92 15:57:05 GMT, kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson) said:

>  SCSI II (50-pin SCSI II connector)

Will a standard SCSI drive plug straight into a SCSI 2 interface (allowing for
recabling it)? Would it show any improvement in speed like this?

Kev
Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:12766 comp.sys.atari.8bit:4347
From: harold@alice.hobby.nl (Harold van Aalderen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: RFD:comp.sys.atari.znet
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:23:52 GMT
Reply-To: harold@alice.hobby.nl
Organization: Hobbynet Usernode
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.00 Rev. Jan 16 1992

In <68okPB1w164w@status.gen.nz>, Jon Clarke writes:
> Thanks for your input John, maybe you would like to post this in 
>news.groups with the rest of the discussion.

Haven't seen any such discussion in news.groups, did you?

-- 
Harold van Aalderen |  harold@alice.hobby.nl
                    |  {...!mcsun}!sun4nl!hgatenl!tedux!alice!harold
"I saw a huge green flame and I realized we had a technical problem"
Staalstra, president of Cindu Uithoorn.
From: sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stefan Monnier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Dungeon Master Question
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:24:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 3-Sep-92 Dungeon Master
Question Max Newman x6689@interme (397)

> While playing DM I notice that every so often something
> sneaks up behind my characters and instantly kills all
> of them. Has anyone else seen this? What is this thing?
> How do I protect my characters from this.
> 	P.S  I am on level 6

> 	Max Newman      maxn@intermec.com 

> -- 
> uucp address:  maxn@intermec.com  or uunet!pilchuck!intermec!maxn
> **Trust in your calling, make sure your calling is true**


Sure I have seen this: if you wanna see that something, just
look behind !
Seriously: you can know when it is gonna come: the floppy
suddenly,spins up pointless, several times. Now, you have
to be prepared to resist the attack. cast the spell:

	'save on disk'

Then, when the something appears, you're unlikely to
kill him, but he is very likely to kill you. BUT don't
worry: there is a cure. It consists in a second spell:

	'press reset and reboot'

If this a bit too tricky, just try to send back your disk:
it is generally due to a disk failure !

	Stefan Monnier

-----------------------------------------------------
-- On the average, people seem to be acting normal --
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: brayl@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Rayl)
Subject: Re: Thank you Darek for your support of the ST
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 18:41:47 GMT


Bob,

Unfortunatly for people like yourself and myself, only Atari can provide
a healthy growing ST community.  Also unfortunatly, Darek has a valid
point: Atari is losing the opportunity it had by not having quantities
of Falcon available this year. His other point about pricing is again
a  valid one, and one I've been worried about myself.  If Atari is going
tomake new computer owners come up with $1000-$1500 for a machine withh
enough memory and a hard drive, why would they pick Atari over PC?  The
Falcon has to sell to NEW owners, not just ST people upgrading.

my 2cents.
                  Pattie Rayl (Atari Interface)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: gbcusg@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (I. Barnett)
Subject: Re: Mac Portable vs. ST Portable
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:41:57 GMT

I am an avid atari user but as far as portables go the Mac wins.  The new
Powerbook 145 is a 25 Mhz '030 with the backlit supertwist LCD screen and 4Mb
RAM, 80 Mb HD for $2689 Canadian.  This machine is more than 3 times as fast
as the STBook, supports VM and can run system 7.  The STBook isn't even close
in this race.

Darren King, George Brown College :: email : gbcusg@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca
From: miked@syscon.rn.com (Mike DeMetz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Printing PostScript from Timeworks DTP
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:40:10 GMT
Organization: Syscon Corporate Headquarters - South Bend, IN USA

The ^D's are what tell the printer to go to Postscript mode. I have
had problems with certain graphics images causing TWDTP not to print
on a PS printer. Digitized pics converted to IMG and GEM from GFA Draft
(even after being converted to IMG by Touchup).
From: kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:38:06 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug27.151019.26372@cs.hw.ac.uk> neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) writes:
>
>It would be nice if the Atari desktop could also have multi-coloured icons
>like W*nd*ws has. I was trying to think of a way it could be bolted on to
>the exiting GEM interface but no clean solutions came to mind.
>You'd think we'd be happy with 3D but no. :-)
>

Surprise!!!  The new AES that comes with MultiTOS not only has a new 3D look
to it, but it also allows icons to have up to 256 colors.  So, you don't 
have to be happy with just 3D. <grin>


Steve
From: C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Viruses???
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:30:05 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri


 
 
has anyone out there ever had any troubles with viruses on the softwares they
get from ftps like the atari.arcive...?  I'm just kind of curious.  Not to say
that there are a bunch of evil hackers out there, nor am I paranoid.  But
should getting viruses be a worry of mine?
From: kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: AT-Speed and Windows 3.1? (2nd try)
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:33:19 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I thought Windows 3.1 required at least a '386 to run?  The AT-Speed C16
*IS* only a 16MHz '286, right?  Maybe that's the problem.  Only Windows
2.x will work on a '286, I believe.

Steve
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: merlyn@agora.rain.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Bug in Ghostscript 2.41 ?
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:30:50 GMT

Since I just got a Panasonic KX-P2123 24-pin printer with the color option, I
am curious is someone did a driver for either the B/W or Color 24-pin Epson
printers for GhostScript.
From: samm@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Sam Marshall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Timeworks DTP - New Fonts?
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:10:43 GMT
Reply-To: samm@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Sam Marshall)
Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Aug26.201915.29917@cc.ic.ac.uk>, r.evans@cc.ic.ac.uk (Mr  
R.H. Evans) writes:
# In article <1992Aug25.084006.29119@hasler.ascom.ch>,
PAULETTI@biel.be.tech.ascom.ch (Pauletti Andreas) writes:
#  -- In <1992Aug24.182153.28682@peponi.wcc.govt.nz>
shore_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
#  -- 
#  -- > Can someone please tell me, is it possible to install
#  -- >  new GDOS fonts into Timeworks DTP?
#  -- > 
#  -- > I've looked through the manual, and couldn't find it anywhere.
#  -- > 
#  -- 
#  -- It is possible to install new GDOS fonts for Timeworks. Timeworks
#  -- should show them in the font selection if they are installed auto-
#  -- matically.
# 
# If you install new fonts for TW, then I believe that you have to re-run
# 'FONTWID.APP'. However, as I have never done it before, I cannot be sure.

You're right about fontwid.app. Note that you also need to list all of the 
new fonts in the assign.sys files in ASCENDING order of their identity
numbers,
and that all ID numbers must be under 128. You can change the ID # with
most font editing packs (e.g. the ST Club's Fontkit). There's a doc on
atari.archive giving lots of info on the mysterious assign.sys file and GDOS,
I think.

Sam.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Where to get ST-Magazine.
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:00:52 GMT
Keywords: Magazines, german

jarleb@medusa.uio.no (Jarle Brinchmann) writes:
>I'm looking for the adress to ST-Magazine, also could anyone
>out there how much a subscription costs ?
>
>Are there any other german magazines that are worth getting hold of ?
>
>
>						Jarle.
>


"ST-Magazine" is priced at DM 7,00 (German Marks) per issue. It is published
by Markt & Technik Verlag AG and the address is:

Markt&Technik Verlag AG
ST Magazine
Hans-Pinsel-Strasse 2
8013 Haar bei Muenchen
BRD
Yearly subscriptions for germany are DM 77,00 for 12 issues. If you live
outside germany, the magazines are priced as following (correct me if I am
wrong, they might have gone up):

Air Mail; Country Group 1 (ex. USA) is DM 95,00.
Air Mail; Country Group 2 (ex. Hongkong) is DM 115,00.
Air Mail; Country Group 3 (ex. Australia) is DM 145,00.

"ST MAgazine" is approximately 150 pages and comes without a disk.


"ST Computer" is sold for DM 8,00 at newsstands across germany. It is
published by MAXON Computer. The address is:

MAXON Computer
Schwalbacher Strasse 52
D-6236 Eschborn
BRD

Yearly subscriptions in germany are DM 80,00. Foreign countries are DM 100,00
and with air mail DM 130,00. This one comes without a disk.

"TOS" is another one and is priced at DM 14,90. Disk is included.

For students it's DM 129,00/year and regular it's DM 152,00/year. The address:

ICP-Verlag GmbH $ Co. KG
Leserservice TOS
Innere-Cramer-Klett-Str. 6
8500 Nuernberg 1
BRD


There is another excellent publication. The french "ST Magazine" but it is of
no use if you don't speak french. Price: $8 Canadian. Contains source codes,
reviews etc. Pretty much the same as all of the german magazines.

Sincerely,
Mark Kovarski

IBMNet: Mark Kovarski@40:649/313
Internet: kovarski@zooid.guild.org
FNet: Mark Kovarski@Node 66
Opinions expressed are my own.

































Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: ZOO/ZIP/ARC/LZH
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:33:43 GMT

Zoo says 'default' -- but it has a higher compression option too!
It takes longer, but does a better job. This tradeoff should be
taken into account.

Zoo is a lot more user-friendly than the other archivers, too. :)

Besides, to function with an atari getting stuff from the net, you
really need *all* archivers installed on your system, or at least
on your net-connected (UNIX) system so you can unpack and repack 
the archives before downloading them.


Scott

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: leikvoll@hsr.no (Morten Leikvoll)
Subject: Falcon's DSP (again)
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:48:58 GMT

Will the DSP have access to the main memory???
If not....terrible
If yes....where can I buy this thing NOW!

Morten Leikvoll / leikvoll@hsr.no
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Problem with gcc
Keywords: gcc, gnu
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:42:26 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

s_wolf@irau34.ira.uka.de (Markus Wolf) writes:

>I am using gcc version 2.1 PatchLevel 2 and the Include-files PatchLevel "80"
>I try to compile the following little program:

>#include <stdio.h>

>int main(void)
>{int i;
> for (i=0;i<100;i++)
>   printf("\n%d\n",i);
> return(0);
>}

>I get the following message:
>In file included from test.c:1:
>d:\\gcc\\include\\gcc\\stdio.h:105: parse error before `cha'


I've seen this happen with insufficient memory.  If your have a 2.5M or less
machine, you'll have to run it pretty bare (maybe just a cache and a CLI, or
a small ramdisk) to run GCC 2.1.  If you have 4M, then you shouldn't have
memory troubles (except maybe two-deep in bash shells under mint, with a
720K ramdisk and 128K cache :-]).


--
Warwick
--
  _-_|\      warwick@cs.uq.oz.au            /Disclaimer:
 /     * <-- Computer Science Department,  /  
 \_.-._/     University of Queensland,    /      void (if removed)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Your Conscience)
Subject: Re: PERFPICH.TOS v1.1 posted to a.a
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:29:12 GMT

>we thank you for sharing your work. however, to get widest distribution,
>please don't post self extracting archives. people without ataris may
>want to look at it (ie read the documentation). use arc, zoo or lharc.

I would like to disagree with this, at least partially. There are so many 
different compression formats on the ST that it really *sucks*, a .sea is 
extremely nice because then I don't have to have "X" program or the newest 
version of Lharc (which I *never* seem to have).

Those without an ST should just buy one :-)

Well, maybe not, but self-extracting files sure make my life a lot easier.
---------------------------------------------------------------------->
|-) -David Butler- dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

- who now has a shorter .sig file due to complaints...

  |||        - FRANK ZAPPA for president! "One of his best qualifications is
 / | \         that at least he won't take it seriously." - Jammer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: amos@prl.dec.com (keyring)
Subject: Re: Dungeon Master Version Numbers
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Paris Research Laboratory
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:18:20 GMT

Dungeon master is my favorite game,

Samos.


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Those are my opinions, and not DIGITAL's. (?)
From: anisko@usdtsg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (anisko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: OS/2 HPS and Atari file format
Keywords: Compatible???
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:08:44 GMT
Reply-To: anisko@usdtsg.UUCP ()
Organization: NCR Corporation, Dayton

In article <1992Aug26.111812.17058@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John) writes:
>Thanks for the traffic about OS/2 and TOS, here is another.
>
>Now that OS/2 can name files with more than eight characters with
>it's HPS, what does that do to the ability for Atari to read IBM
>format disks?
>
>I'm sure that IBM machine will be able to read Atari files (under
>the old filename system) could an Atari read files created under
>OS/2's high performance filesystem?

   Just a general guess, but I would suppose that since you can install
different filesystems under Mint (like Minix) then someone would probably
write a filesystem for OS/2.  I wonder if this would also be possible to
do it this way with MAC disks?  I'm a novice when it comes to filesystem
files, etc, but that is my general impression of what they do.

   I doubt it will be "built-in" to TOS directly, but instead it would
probably be released as a TOS extension, at least that way they keep the
compatibility with the present ST's/DOS machines, and then could add
the OS/2 stuff for those who need it...

					Robert Anisko
					anisko@usdtsg.daytonoh.ncr.com
From: msdloem@cs.vu.nl (Loemban MSD)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: max baudrate?
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:50:30 GMT
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam
Originator: msdloem@galjas.cs.vu.nl

What kind of modem suits the atari Mega Ste 4 best?
9600bd + Compression or 14400bd + Compression ?
Is it possible to transfer data at more than 19200 bd using an Mega Ste ?
(Using software or hardware)
-- 
--   Martin S.D. Loemban Tobing    --   INTERNET: msdloem@cs.vu.nl
--
From: rahin@scs.leeds.ac.uk (M A Rahin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Printing PostScript from Timeworks DTP
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:28:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies

In article <1992Aug27.194010.23210@syscon.rn.com> miked@syscon.rn.com (Mike DeMetz) writes:
>The ^D's are what tell the printer to go to Postscript mode. I have
>had problems with certain graphics images causing TWDTP not to print
>on a PS printer. Digitized pics converted to IMG and GEM from GFA Draft
>(even after being converted to IMG by Touchup).

I think the newer PostScript printers do not need the ^D anymore. What
is missing from the PS created by TimeWorks are few lines of headers. I
grabbed those header lines from a small PS file created by Windows Write
on a PC and placed it at the beginning of TimeWorks PS file. It prints
ok now. I think the newer PS printers now expect '%!' as the first two
characters in order to be able to interpret PS correctly. 


- Rahin
From: jhh@cwi.nl (Jaap Henk Hoepman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FALCON
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:06:54 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1604PB2w164w@cellar.org>, darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:

[stuff deleted]

|> 
|> And fourth, how many times do you have to be told that samplers and
|> recorders are completely different?  A sampler's DAC involves things like
|> moving anti-aliasing filters and variable-frequency playback.  An audio
|> recorder can make do with fixed-frequency playback and simple D/A
|> conversion.

It might interest you to know that currently the new range of Roland samplers
use fixed-frequency playback. The fact that older samplers use variable-frequency
playback and moving anti-aliasing filters only makes them much more expensive,
surely not better (in precision) than fixed-frequency DAC's. 

Regarding precision, I'd rather `make do' with a fixed frequency DAC, using
some good interpolation (quadratic) method, than relying on a moving anti-alias
filter. Anyone who has any experience with analog filter techniques knows that
filters, and especially state-variable ones, are always imperfect.

b.t.w., i am considering to try and write a sampler program for the FALCON. 
If you look at the specifications, it must be possible. I do not
expect, however, to obtain a large degree of polyphonism (I think I would be
quite happy to reach more that 10 `voices' simultaneously). To bad the
68030 doesn't run at 32MHz.

If anyone has suggestions as to which functions should be present in a sampler,
mail them to me. I'm especially interested in those functions that are
currently lacking in sold samplers. 

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jaap-Henk Hoepman,   jhh@cwi.nl         Centre of Mathematics and Computer Science
                                        Amsterdam
                                        The Netherlands
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Midi Maze
From: mjbutler@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:48:56 EDT
Organization: Miami University, Hamilton campus

Hey!
      I have been looking for Midi-Maze.  we want to set up a game at 
the Cincinnati Atari Users Group meeting, but we cannot find the program.
Anyone know where I can get it from?  
               Thanx
                      .\\ike

   |||
   |||   Buy the bird! 
  //|\\
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: New operating systems (OS/2-TOS)
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:09:25 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1992Aug26.202952.26085@nosc.mil> healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy) writes:
>
>As far as running 68040s at higher than rated clock speeds, we use
>25 MHz 68040s and FORCE has glued industrial strength heat sinks
>directly onto the 68040 chips because these suckers run hot at
>25 MHz. Now this 60 MHz thing is from Germany, right? And I 

Can someone explain what a heat sink does and how it works?  I get the 
impression that it provides a larger surface area to the chip so that it
can dissipate heat faster.  I think I've seen what they look like too;
it looks kinda like a vent, with the tall ridges.  But how does it work?
It only looks like it's clamped onto the chip.  And why is it that only,
at least from what I've heard, 80486 and 68040 chips need these?

-- 
   |||    Ed Krimen
   |||    ekrimen@wet.com
  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: obryan@gumby.cc.wmich.edu (Mark O'Bryan)
Subject: WANTED: Mean 18 Golf Game
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:00:31 GMT
Organization: Western Michigan University

My brother asked me to inquire whether anyone on the net had a copy
of the golf game "Mean 18" by Accolade that they would be willing to
sell?  If so, email me with price, condition, etc. information.

Thanks.

-- 
Mark T. O'Bryan                 Internet:  obryan@gumby.cc.wmich.edu
Western Michigan University
Kalamazoo, MI  49008
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: 2nd request - glib for the Atari ST
From: bobhays@spss.com (Bob Hays)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:00:38 GMT
Organization: SPSS, Inc.

I'm seeking the executables for glib for the Atari ST (glib is a
general librarian for musical instrument sounds, or patches).  If
someone could email an ftp address or if someone would be willing to
US mail me a diskette, that would be great!

Alternatively, if someone could post or email me the format for glib
data files (for the Kawai K5 especially:-), I could then write a
little program to read such files and dump them to my K5 at home.

Thanks and have fun! - Bob

-- 
===============================================================================
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 bobhays@spss.com  Phone: (312) 329-3529 | "I'm hovering like a fly, waiting
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