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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman - Bring on the C's
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:17:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan25.221746.2949
Organization: Castle Anthrax

In article <C1F8HJ.7tB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos) writes:
>
>I'd think the opposite of Dream is Reality, as in owning up to the fact that
>someone doesn't love you, or that you can't send those who spurn you screaming
>into Hell, and stuff like that.  I'd imagine aall this travelling in the 
>Waking World is really getting to Morpheus.  Maybe he sees it as therapy 
>for his "flipside." 
>	As a matter of fact, we can see the whole series as Morpheus coping 
>with the Reality his dreams creates. 

We've already seen Dream use the "reality" power. At the end of the
"Cereal Convention" in _Doll's_House_, he withdrew all the dreams from
the killers, forcing them to confront themselves without illusions.
The power to give dreams encompasses the power to withhold them.

This surely applies to the other Endless; for example, Desire could
withhold all desire from a mortal, making him entirely apathetic.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"Wait a minute! You guys are NINJAS!"
                ---The Tick
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: artists who draw themselves
Organization: The Matchmaking Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:41:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.232500.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk) writes:
>tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>> branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
>>>Dream looks like Neil Gaiman, too.
>> 
>> Which depresses some of us becasue Dream is fictional and Neil is married
>> and both are therefore unavailable.
>
>	(Hmm...worth a try :-)
>	Say, Lady J, I know a lot about Dream and I'm available....
>	(Nope, it's not a good pickup line.  Oh, well.)

You know, in a way I feel responsible for this sorry display...

Elmo, some pointers for future use:

   1) Use a Greek or Latin sounding name. Elmus, perhaps. 
   2) Wear lots of black.
   3) It helps if you type slowly and moodily.
   4) Occasionally throw in obscure references.

ObOriginal Topic:

Dave Sim and Cerebus have very similar scowls.

Evan Dorkin certainly dresses a lot like his characters. His "sweetie",
Sara, looks very much like the women that appear in Pirate Corp$. 

I think Colleen Doran looks like many of her female characters. Her
version of Shade, The Changing Woman even had the right hair color.

Matt Groening often draws cartoonists in Life in Hell who are Matt 
Groening.

I'd hate to think what Peter Bagge looks like.

Charles Vess has drawn himself at least once. I don't think his characters
look like he does, but I'm told that there's something about his style
that captures his personality well.

As LJC mentioned, Etain looked very much like Jill Thompson. Jill is also
quite slender and so are many of her characters.

I think seeing Lynda Barry helps one to understand Ernie Pook's Commeek 
a little better.

etc, etc.

Perhaps a new and more exciting thread would be what cartoon character
each of us most resembles. No, I will not start it off.

(part 21)------------------
 Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Good news, mate! You're in the band! Nigel and
   (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  David really liked your drum solo. We go into
     Based on an idea     |  the studio on Monday. Now, have you heard about 
 suggested by Paul Bolin. |  The Curse?"          _Mr Peanut joins Spinal Tap_
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From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub/SGP '93)
Subject: Jack Of Hearts
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:17:40 GMT

I noticed that The Jack Of Hearts has appeared in some recent issues of The
Silver Surfer.  I've been in and out of comics, so I ask, is this The Jack Of
Hearts first appearance since his mini-series (a series I strain to remember)? 
If not, anyone now where he has appeared and/or what has happened to him since
that series?  I haven't really had the chance to pick up those issues of The
Silver Surfer to find out whats going on yet, so any info is much appeaciated!

                                        Theron

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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Re: Sandman - Bring on the C's
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:56:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.133711.22757@isunix.cdx.mot.com> Chagnon_A@msm.cdx.mot.com (Andrew Chagnon) writes:
>After following the recent 'flip side to the Endless", I thought it would be
>interesting to come up with the alternate names for the Endless, given what
>we've seen so far...
>
>Destruction - Creation or Change (from all over Brief Lives)
>Death       - Conception         (present at every birth?)
>Destiny     - Choice             (not pre-ordained? I get to choose?)
>Dream       - Consciousness (sic?) (all right..I'm stretching)

I'd think the opposite of Dream is Reality, as in owning up to the fact that
someone doesn't love you, or that you can't send those who spurn you screaming
into Hell, and stuff like that.  I'd imagine aall this travelling in the 
Waking World is really getting to Morpheus.  Maybe he sees it as therapy 
for his "flipside." 
	As a matter of fact, we can see the whole series as Morpheus coping 
with the Reality his dreams creates. 




-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...
From: andrew@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Eternal Warrior/A&A question
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:30:45 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

mwhatt01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

>He looked alot like Archer with hair (a wig?).   

I thought so too. I haven't the comic handy but...

Didn't D'artagnan/Archer wear a wig in the story? If it wasn't Archer then
why did Aram ask Archer about the similarity of the face in the picture?

My impression was that it wasn't Archer but an ancestor. Perhaps Armstrong
keeps bumping into these fellows down the centuries ????

Andy W 


-- 
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Phone: (041) 339 8855 x 6044 		Fax: (041) 330 4913
E-mail: (JANet)      andrew@uk.ac.glasgow.dcs
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From: hlow@mothra.syr.EDU (Handel Low)
Subject: Hellblazer's Still Not That Great
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:37:50 EST


Glen Fabry still does amazing covers, but I'm not
about to pay a dollar fifty? seventy-five, is it?
for just the cover of the book.  The last thing I
read was the Royal Blood series, incidentally, which
was definitely "Suggested For Mature Readers," I
guess you could say, but was only fair escapism
at best.

The issue I just picked up of Hellblazer was the
one that just came out with the Vertigo imprint.
I thought it might be a good time to for me to
give it another chance and for DC to get a competent
writer (ok, I don't think he's as bad as that, but
still...)

Constantine turns forty.  After reading this issue,
I was almost immediately reminded of that Constantine
Christmas story, except only slightly better.  At
least this time, there isn't a scary panel in the
end where Kit looks like a man (dig up the issue
if you don't believe me).

Okay, so maybe I jumped in on a lame filler issue,
right?  I do really wish I hadn't spent the money
on it.  Somebody tell me when Garth Ennis isn't doing
a "Constantine parties hardy" issue, and it's at
least halfway good.


handel "party on, john" low
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From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Subject: Re: Urges of a 501 murderous rage...
Organization: New York University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:56:20 GMT

pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:

>I was at the NYC convention this past Saturday (what a miserably produced
>show, BTW), and LO AND BEHOLD, look who came to grace us with his presence...

Hey, I was there on Sunday, and I thought it was really cool...  (but
then, it was my First Ever Comics Convention...)

>501 himself!

Who?  (sorry, I'm a Sandboy.. er, Sandgirl...  If you don't write for
Vertigo, I probably never heard of you.  :)

>I was standing six feet away from him.  I could have rid the comics world of
>the high lord of heresy with a simple lunge and a two clenched fists around
>his throat.  But, for some unknown reason, I resisted...

>Maybe the size of his head, his short stature, and his annoying personality
>generated enough humor to justify letting him live.

>-- 
			--Darkmage






--
"And whut-- ah say...  Whut are _YOU_ALL_ goin' t' be doin'?"

"I...?  I shall stand around looking... moody.  And feeling...
 sorry for myself."
From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: This Week's Trivia and Gossip Column
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:36:58 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1993Jan24.054218.25604@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>
>>        A dark and foreboding moralistic male spell-slinger, former
>>                member of the JLA, gets his shoes pissed on?
>
>Was PS really a member of the Justice League?  (What was his power?)

Yes he was, and I believe his power was being mysterious...

Mike C.  (Zen)


-- 
"1. One Mind there is; but under it two principles contend.       
 2. The Mind lets in the light, then the dark, in interaction; so time is gen-
 erated.  At the end Mind awards victory to the light; time ceases and the Mind
 is complete."        - from _Tractates: Cryptica Scriptura_
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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:33:32 GMT

In article <C1AH5C.1z5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>ross@BofA.com (Ross Lefstin) writes:
[...]

>>2) The references to change are getting kind of heavy handed.  "Cooking is one
>>of the fine arts."  Art = Change = Destruction?  Is Destruction treing to
>>change himself to an artist.  I think there is validity to thinking of
>>the lord of Destruction as patron of the arts.  Does anyone know the Hindu
>>take on this?  Hinduism is the only religion I can think of off the top of my
>>head which personifies destruction (Shiva), but can anyone think of another?

The way I see it, poetry, painting, sculpting, and cooking are all forms of
creation.  That, of course, is why Destruction is so bad at them.  I'm just
waiting for the next issue, to see how bad a cook he is. :-)


>>4) Morpheus is certainly very upset to have to visit his son, who he promised
>>never to see again.  But something else occurs to me.  Dream now owes Orpheus.
>>What would Orpheus want?  I think that he would want to die.  We know that
>>the Endless are prohibited from spilling family blood, and that doing so
>>will 'bring the Kindly Ones down on his head'.  This could tie in to the next
>>Sandman arc, which will supposedly be titled 'The Kindly Ones'.  This could
>>explain why Morpheus is shivering.  He may also have to interfere in Death's
>>realm, because Death promised not to come for Orpheus.  Maybe the scene in
>>Destiny's book with the Corinthian has something to do with this.  (I do think
>>this scene is in the future)  I think I'll also have to go re-read the Oedipus
>>cycle for the origin of The Kindly Ones.

How old was Lady J.C. when she died?  According to the tombstone she was 99
or so.  That seems like a bit much from what I mis-remember.  Maybe the
boon was to have Miss Constantine live "Happily Ever After?"



Karthik Sheka              | It's not an optical illusion.  It just looks like
kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu |    one.
karthik@cs.columbia.edu    | By "recursion" I mean "defined by recursion".
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:40:59 -0500 
From: "James D. Zelenka" <jz1j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: DC: GL 37

Style points for the Skeeter cameo, in light of the Martian Manhunter
miniseries.

The rest was pretty stale, though.

-jim
jz1j@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: VERTIGO: DC mark
Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:02:52 GMT

In article <llrkpuINNm2d@news.bbn.com> leekil@bbn.com (Lee Kilpatrick) writes:
> I'm not sure if there used to be a square DC logo or not.

Depends on whether you count go-go checks or not.

"I don't want to live in this world. All the fun's gone out of it. Everything
used to be bright and now everything is dark." --Power Ring on the difference
in comics between the 60s and 90s.
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff)
Subject: Re: IS Superman dead??
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:37:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.175025.12124@sierra.com> danw@sierra.com (Dan Williams -
Contractor) writes:

>Of the four new heroes we know about I am most interested in the teen aged
>Superman clone.  We may be seeing the return of Superboy.  Let's petition
>D.C. to let the Kent's raise him.  Then he can start working with the
>Legion of Super-Heroes again.

So that's how they're going to explain the occasional Superboy appearance in 
Legion!!! Now they've just got to throw the "teenager who seems like the real 
Superman" a thousand years in the future.  Too bad they didn't think of this 
before Tom & Mary went and messed up the universe on us!!
     kristoff
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: Shade #33 (spoilers)
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:18:57 GMT

In <1993Jan15.213642.19205@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>I'm not sure what I think of the current turn of events, but I'll
>keep reading until I am.  I'm also not sure what I think of the new
>and much-more-subdued coloring.

One spoiler below...


I was just about to take SHADE off my list, when I read this issue and
decided to give it a few more issues.  My only reservation -- purely on a
personal level, i.e., not a criticism -- is that the torture implied on the
last page was, after reading ENIGMA #1, more than my battered nervous system
can take.

                  Selections from TOP 10 SIGNS EURODISNEY IS LOSING MONEY:

                      10. Costumed characters now beg visitors for food
                       8. Huey, Dewey, and Louie taking year off from
                          college to work in salmon-packing plant 
                       6. All French staff suddenly very courteous
                       5. Goofy just doesn't give a damn anymore
                       3. Cinderella's Castle now plastered with ads for Red
                          Man chewing tobacco

                                     -- Late Night with David Letterman
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                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Death Lite? (was: McReviews: Death, the High Cost of Living #1)
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:22:26 GMT

In <g2imXB8w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:

>branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
>
>> I think Sexton would have died, but Death was in mortal form, so he
>> couldn't. (cf "Death Takes a Holiday") I'm wondering if he will die
>
>Maybe; but are we then to assume that there is no death while Death is 
>in mortal form?  I don't think so.  Look at any comic book, you'll see 
>plenty of death!

Maybe she leaves an AI program in charge of death for a day?

Probably more reliable than an administrative assistant...

                           DAVE BARRY'S 1992 IN REVIEW -- August 7th
                              "True Item: The Environmental Protection
                               Agency declares that lawn mowers are a source
                               of air pollution. All over America, deeply
                               concerned guys have no choice but to abandon
                               their grass-cutting plans and take
                               planet-saving naps."
---
                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
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CREDO:        You gotta be Cruel to be Kind...
                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**
From: sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:06:29 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

> In article <1993Jan21.220135.9803@athena.mit.edu> dml@athena.mit.edu (David M
> >Just a few thoughts and questions on the latest installment....
> >
> >1) When Dream was standing with Delirium on the grave of Johanna Constantine
> >was Dream shivering because (1) he had just broken his promise to himself,
> >which we know from SOM and other places is against the heart of his nature,
> >or (2) because he was standing on Johanna's grave, or something more?
> 
> I think it may be more serious. One thing that I noticed is that there's
> a lot of mention of rules that even the Endless must obey. Look back at
> Sandman #40 and the Sandman Special. If Dream owes Orpheus a boon, I'd
> guess that the son will ask that he be allowed to die. This will require
> the breaking of several rules and that should have significant consequences.

You damn well better bloody believe it'll have serious consequences!  
Dream will probably have to kill Orpheus to make sure he dies.  He'll be 
shedding family blood.  Then the Kindly Ones will come a'callin'....  


                                        - Sasha

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From: danw@sierra.com (Dan Williams - Contractor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Iris Allen & LSH
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:21:02 GMT
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa

>There've been some implications that Iris Allen (dead wife of the
>ex-Flash) has been seen in Legion.  Anyone out there care to give us
>non-Legion readers the scoop?
>
Iris Allen has not been "seen" in the current books.  But her presence is
evident.  She is the editor of the Daily Planet.  She has been mentioned on
news reports and by characters linked to the Daily Planet.  There are her
twin children Dawn, and Don Allen, that we have seen.  We have also seen a
reference to a Baretta West from the Daily planet.  Which I found
interesting given the association the Daily Planet has with the Allens.  No
mention yet of a Garrick.  No mention of any of these characters surviving
the destruction of the Earth in the 30th Century.

-- 
Have You hugged your dragon today?
---------------------------/\/\__/\/\-----------------------------------------
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Email: danw@sierra.COM     (  /oo\  )		and no-one elses.
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Hellblazer's Still Not That Great
Organization: The Little Astrological Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:42:04 GMT

In article <93023.152004DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>   Anybody think Constantine partied a
>  little TOO hearty in #63?  I mean, all
>  of a sudden everybody's toking.  What an
>  influence this could have on impressionable
>  young minds.

Darn right! Let's get back to the summoning of demons and other wholesome
activitities! B{)

ObDigression: Is a date given for Constantine's birthday? Or do we go with
the release date of the latest issue? A funny thing happens if he turns out
to be an aquarius. For reasons I can't understand, angels were assigned to
different signs of the zodiac. Guess which angel gets to look after people
born under aquarius?

(part 30)------------------ 
 Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Only as the screams and scratching slowly faded
   (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  did we realize the horrible truth. The peanut had 
   If looks could kill    |  not been dead! We had accidentally vacuum-packed
   they probably will     |  him alive!"   _The Fall of the House of Planter_
From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: re:Squadron Supreme
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:56:26 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <C1J2vK.MFn@acsu.buffalo.edu>, camdna@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Darren Natale) writes:
> In article <1993Jan23.043844.14864@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes...
>>In article <15622.2b604312@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>>>Before everyone gets too mad at DC for copying Squadron Supreme,
>>>or at Marvel for SS copying the original JLA, let me remind you
>>>of an as yet unstated fact.
>>>
>>>Way back when, DC and Marvel decided that they would give a wink
>>>to the other company and create characters modeled after each
>>>others super-team.  That's how SS came to be.  DC had a similar
>>>JLA story at the time.  This is were the Silver Sorceress and Blue
>>>Jay and all the other superheroes from the Extremest's world came
>>>from.  So neither company is ripping off or plagarizing the other.
>>>As for alternate versions of characters, they have been done for 
>>>years, although IMHO the squadron supreme miniseries is excellent.
>>>
>>>Mark Balbes-setting the record straight
>> 
>>This is close to what I had heard. In an interview with George Perez about
>>a long-planned JLA-Avengers cross-over (a la the Teen Titans/X-Men one).
>>It was all set to go, but DC pulled out. Rather than scrap the story, they
>>created the Squadron Supereme. (How THAT got past DC, I don't know.)
>> 
>>Jay (=
>> 
> Can anyone confirm this? Unless I'm badly mistaken, the mentioned cross-over
> was slated for publication sometime in the 80's. The Squadron Supreme must
> predate that by at least a decade (although perhaps in another form called
> the Squadron Sinister). Anyone have a better recollection of this?
> 
> DN, again

I was not talking about the proposed JLA-Avengers cross-over that never
happened.  That is another long story.  Jay is confusing two different
events, from two different time periods.  Not surprising considering
the overlap of of super-powers between DC and Marvel.

Mark Balbes