From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Estimates of the incidence of illegal abortions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:52:06 GMT

acolman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alison Colman) writes:

>In article <C186G7.1Kr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () wr
>tes:
>>
>>Has anyone considered the following hypothesis:
>>
>>Could it be possible that the availability of abortion may influence
>>partners to be less careful with contraception?  Could it not then
>>ALSO be possible that were abortion proscribed, these same partners woul

>>begin being MORE careful than they were previously?  Could this not
>>then reduce the 1.5 million unwanted pregnancies per year that WOULD
>>have resulted in an abortion?
>>
>>With respect to at least my first question, Sandra Day O'Connor seems
>>to think so.
>>
>>
>>Have a nice day,
>>
>>
>>
>>Edward Simmonds- standard disclaimers  
>>


>(I am new to nyx and new to rn, so please bear with me if the attributions
>are off, or if this article is somewhat hard to read. I'm still getting
>the hang of this.) This article is in response to edward Simmons' article,
>which should be above.

>As to whether the availibility of abortion will influence the sexual
>behavior of people in this country, it's pretty hard to predict. I know
>for myself, if abortion was made illegal in Pennsylvania, it wouldn't be
>much of a problem for me to go to Maryland to have an abortion. Yes, it
>might make me wary about having sex -- then again, it might not make much
>of a difference. I know myself I would be extremely careful about using
>effective birth control, regardless of the availability of abortion. So,
>sorry to disappoint you, Edward. Making abortion illegal would not make me
>have sex less, personally.

I couldn't care less how much sex you have.  All I care about is that
you do it responsibly.  

>Of course, this is assuming that my sexual habits are any of your
>business. Which they aren't.

I must wonder why you assume I am in the least bit interested in your
sexual habits.  As long as you aren't hurting anybody... what you do
is your business.  

>Going by what you said, can I reasonably assume that you are greatly in
>favor of all forms of contraceptives being easily obtainable, and
>inexpensive? As it stands now, some of the most effective forms of birth
>control, such as Norplant, are not available to me. I am not poor enough
>to get Norplant through any public assistance program, but at the same
>time, I am not really able to drop $800-$900 dollars for an exam and a
>Norplant implantation. And due to the nature of my employment, I don't
>have health insurance right now. I would really like some of this to
>change. I would like Norplant, the Pill, and Depo-Provera to be cheaper,
>and I would like to be able to get health insurance at a reasonable cost.
>Is this something you would like too, Edward?

I don't think Norplant would do me much good, quite frankly.  I would
suggest to you that you go look up "free market" and "capitalist society".

>In the meanwhile, though, what would you say to someone like me? Would you
>have the gall to tell me that I shouldn't be having any sex because I

EXCUSE ME?  You had better show me where I said you shouldn't have sex,
because if I haven't you have blatantly slandered me.  What I said
is the availability of abortion may lower the use of OTHER contraceptive
methods (ie. Condoms, etc...).  

>can't afford the best birth control out there? And I would rather not hear
>you say to me, "there are lots of other things to do besides intercourse",
>as if I wasn't aware of that fact. If I want to have intercourse, it is
>not within anyone's right to tell me I shouldn't. Not to mention that I
>think that would be a really snotty motive for making abortion illegal --
>to try to curb the sexual habits of others.

Ms. Colman, you'd better learn a little net-etiquette.  Did I say anything
about how what modes of sex you should have?  You owe me at least
two apologies now.  

>Alison (no .sig yet! :-))

>acolman@nyx.cs.du.edu, Alison Colman@launchpad.oit.unc.edu

Have a nice day,


Edward Simmonds- standard disclaimers, now understands what net.clueless is