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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Auto-Fellatio (Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?)
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:51:07 GMT

In article <92105.015551IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>i have heard some women can do this, although it isn't auto-
>fellatio anymore, of course.  i personally can't even imagine
>being that limber, tho...

On the other hand, I've heard that it is a physical impossibility for
women (I tend to distrust such absolutes, though) but that one in five
men are capable of giving it to themselves.

T, who shouldn't have unsubscribed from alt.folklore.urban

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: concert review
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:01:02 GMT

In article <jkcjbp0@fido.asd.sgi.com>, dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
> I recommend her very highly, but not for the uninitiated.

In other words, only go see her if you've seen her before
(just kidding, Jeff).

I'm not really much of a Diamanda Galas fan.  I like that
she has focussed on the AIDS crisis, but I can't tell whether
she makes her musical choices for affect (not effect) and then
post-constructs her bases, or she makes her musical decisions
and then implements them with limited success.  Either way,
it doesn't work all that well for me.  Or possibly I don't like 
her all that much because in my incipient middle age I have 
less interest in noise.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Lutefisk recipe (was Re: outing the stars)
Date: 16 Apr 1992 19:03:53 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr17.014202.4669@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> 
junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka) writes:
| gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith) writes:
| >In article <kumebkINNo05@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu
| >(adolphson) writes:
| >>I would rather die than eat decomposed cod ever again.  I ate more
| >>than my fill as a child, thank you ever so much.
|
| Hey, let's be a bit more accurate here. Lutefisk is not decomposed,
| not at all. The whole point is that potassium hydroxide and potassium
| hydroxide salts make the fish totally indestructible by micro organism.

Stop it Jari, you're making me hungry.

| Traditionally birch ashes were used to make lutefisk because of their 
| high potassium carbonate content. I think lutefisk is basically tasteless.
| (It's soaked and boiled before serving, I don't think anyone would
| find a mounthful of ashes or potash very delicious.) I don't like its
| texture, though.

I was going to have Mexican food tonight.  Hmmm.  Anyone know where
I can find a nice piece of cod that's been soaked in brine and who 
knows what else (potassium hydroxide? potassium hydroxide salts?)
until it's a pulpy gray mess?  

| There are some people in the Norden who actually eat rotten fish,
| but I don't want to go into that here....

Yum yum.  

Arne
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From: Bryan J. Blumberg <b_blumberg@macsch.com>
Subject: Re: Jerry Brown on Donahue?
Organization: Systems Integration Branch
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
     <92094.193239QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 20:40:18 GMT

>In article <Mdr8cLj0BwwuAoSmBm@transarc.com>, Bill_Chiles@TRANSARC.COM
says:
>>
>>I just caught a clip on ABC as I was entering a room with Jerry Brown
>>talking to Phil Donahue.  I heard him saying something like the
following:
>>
>>   I have had girlfriends.  I have always had girlfriends.  I could
>>   supply names and numbers, but they might be watching.
>
>Yup - the show was on this morning.  He responded to a comment that Phil
>made - something to the effect that since he was single, some people
might
>think he is gay.
>
>I felt his reaction to the question was quite level-headed and honest.
>I saw him on a former show not too long ago, and also saw the show with
>Clinton.  At first he didn't impress me, but the more I hear from him
>the more I like him.
>
>I don't know much of his GBL record, but from tidbits I've gathered, he
>seems positive to GBL issues.  (anyone have his actual record?)
>
>-Tim


     Once again, the Jerry Brown record in LGB rights:

     As Governor of California, in 1979, he signed an executive order
prohibiting discrimination in state employment based on sexual
orientation.

     He also said he would sign a bill that would prohibit it in private
employment as soon as the legislature would pass such a bill.  The
legislature did not pass such a bill until 1984.  By then George
Dukemejian
was governor, and he vetoed it.  In 1991, the legislature again passed
a similar bill and Pete Wilson vetoed it.

     Jerry Brown is very supportive of our issues.  He is also the
only candidate who wears a red ribbon to call attention to the fact
that the current legislature does not recognize that AIDS is a problem.

========================================
Bryan  J. Blumberg, The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
815 Colorado Boulevard, Los Angeles, California  90041-1777
(213) 259-4914, B_BLUMBERG@MACSCH.COM
From: jimmya@pyrltd.UUCP (Nigel Whitfield)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Turing and "The Machine that changed the world"
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:41:10 GMT
Reply-To: jimmya@pyrltd.UUCP (Nigel Whitfield)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Ltd, Farnborough, ENGLAND

In article <1992Apr11.003329.23342@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>I was talking about the acting, not about the plot.
>Derek Jacobi did a wonderful job, but hearing him use
>the _very same_ same stuttering device in the exerpt
>from _Breaking the Code_ was disappointing.

It was quite some time ago, but I don't remember finding the way
Jacobi portrayed Turing in the original London production of Breaking
the Code offputting at all. It's a very good play - well worth seeing
if you have the chance. Latterly it seems to have ended up being
pushed into the pub and fringe theatres, and I@m not sure if it's
better suited to those or not.

Nigel.-- 
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Subject: 42514
From: gktt85@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:32:35 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

Hi all:

It has been a long time since I have posted or read anything here, but I need 
a favor and many opinions.

I have been offered a position with a company in Des Moines, Iowa.  I need 
to know what I should expect in the way of a gay lifestyle.  I understand
through the GAZE magazine/newspaper that the Iowa Bear Paws were there last
weekend.  I need some major advice here.

My options are:

Move to Des Moines with a garanteed job at relatively high starting salary, 
moving away from Mankato and Minneapolis where I know what to expect for
a gay lifestyle.  My friends are here(which is important to me), my family
is in St.paul(somewhat important) and know no one when I get there.

Stay in Mankato at a company I am interning in a town where the community
is very closeted.  Get paid a relatively low salary(20, possibly), but
some great opportunities for meeting people in general

Move to the Twin Cities, where the job market is flooded with programmers,
try to find a job with four D's on my transcript, but some potential
opportunities for pc programming, be with my friends, finally devote my
time and energy into the community, like I have been wanting to do for
three years.

Difficulties:

I need a car really badly.  My car is dying.  I have a bent rear axle, the
engine has no go left in it, the body is rusted through and the electrical
system was designed by a mechanical genius who refuses to fix it(my dad).
With the job in des moines, I can get a new car and afford it.  With the
job in Mankato, I can cut my rent costs and afford a slightly used car.
I have $4000 in student loans. And I owe my parents another $1500.  Help!!!

Please reply to this account: gktt85@vax1.mankato.msus.edu

I need replies within a week or if anyone is in Des Moines, keep writing,
I'll probably be looking for housing(cheap).

Thank you,

Keith/The Panda
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Basic Instinct protests
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:48:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Apr7.194853.18700
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Apr2.092846.1@amherst.edu> twpierce@amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Apr1.135317.26317@ircam.fr>, francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) writes:
>
>> I'm missing the connection between 'fantasy influencing reality' here;
>> I suppose the media event is so creative that one wonders why the
>> Meese Commission on Pornography didn't hire them to write their report
>> - sex and violence cause people to commit acts of sex and violence.
>> (Catharsis? is there a catharsis in the house?)  Except that the Meese
>> commision decided that the acts of sex and violence fostered /more of
>> the same/ while QN has decided that it fosters /retribution/.
>
>Personally, I agree with the conclusions of the Meese Commission
>(if that is what they concluded -- I honestly didn't pay them
>much mind at the time) in that media depictions of sex and
>violence tend to encourage sex and violence.  I happen to
>disagree with their assumption that encouraging sex is a bad
>thing.

It sounds sensible only because we've been told it for so long. If you
read the report ( I found it luscious, in its way) , you also see that
a majority of the people 'anticipating' sex crimes after reading, what
Playboy? Penthouse? No, Lurid cheap detective novels and magazines,
were drunk. (I know I've said it here before) Virtually all studies of
sexual and violent media found that it had a negative influence on the
likelihood of sexual assault. Secondarily, I believe a majority of
sexually violent pornography places the male as the victim, since
there are far, far more masochists in society than sadists. 

The earlier people were exposed to sexually explicit material and the
more frequently, the more likely they were to develop non-abuse
focused sexual relationships with others.

What is most revealing about the Meese report, is that one of the
dissenting voices in the study was a Female Psychiatrist who routinely
contradicted "findings" with comments on controlled population studies
which provided conclusions diametrically opposed to what Meese wanted.
Her contributions were stricken from the final synopsis.

It is very easy to get. Go to the GPO in Washington, or write them,
and get a copy. It costs about $25 (at least it did around 1985/6.)
Some of the "interview" sequeneces make Kafka read like J.M. Barre.
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Responding to Bigots
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 12:07:36 GMT


I got an interesting letter yesterday in response to my
posting suggesting it's a waste of time to respond to the
bigots (must be spring runoff of somwthing).

The writer points out that he *does* think it's useful, and
cites the example of a friend who wrote him about how
reassured he was to see the bigots' arguments so decisively
trounced.

I think that's a fairly strong point.  He also says he
understands fully how people might not want to see all that
in their living rooms, and he tries to minimize that sort of
intrusion.

My further reaction is this:

Rather than respond to the bigot directly (djk even thanked
somebody yesterday for the ego-boost), those who feel
inclined to answer messages of hate (by and large I'm
exhausted with it myself) can probably turn things around so
that what is addressed is the needs of our *own* people, for
example those who are coming out and need a fund of argument
or invective or whatever to arm themselves for coping in a
hostile world.

As for the bigots themselves, at least one person (there are
probably several) regularly takes them on by email, and it
seems now and then this does actually make some headway with
the numbskulls out there.

<> The Reagan administration announced that the new object
<> was not to blink.  It has a sort of yogic elegance.  Just
<> as with yoga, in order to truly excel at not blinking, you
<> must begin by letting your mind become perfectly empty.
<> The right sport for Ronald Reagan. -- Molly Ivins
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From: joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:32:21 GMT

hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:

>max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:

>>Thomas Disch's _The Businessman_ is great...
>>_Fun with your New Head_ is another of my faves, 

>I loved most of the stories in _Fun with your New Head_. My favorite
>Disch is _Camp Concentration_, about a sexually transmitted virus that
>increases intelligence, but the "infected" person eventually gets
>sick and dies. (Before we're all tempted to draw twisted parallels with
>AIDS, the book was written in the late '60s.)

as I recall (it might be 20 years since I read this book), the
virus was mutated from syphillis which (it has been maintained)
behaves in a similar fashion (think of nietzche and beethoven).


josh
From: wbs@lll-crg.llnl.gov (Bill Schaefer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: ST:TNG
Summary: Wil Weaton is Hot!
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:30:25 GMT

I know I'm a bit late on this, but I just saw last week's ST:TNG.  Yow!
Wil Weaton is Hot!  Wasn't the best plot, but at least he was able to be
a real person.  Hope to see more of him (much more :-)) in the future...

wbs
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From: deacon@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (j m deacon)
Subject: LEAGUE-NI Club meeting
Organization: The Castle Arrrrrrgh
Distribution: att
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:16:16 GMT
Keywords: AT&T Lesbian, Gay, & Bisexual United Employees

The next IH meeting of Lesbian, Gay, & Bisexual United Employees -
Northern Illinois (LEAGUE-NI) will be:

	Thursday, April 16, Noon, IH 6J-235

We'll continue planning for Awareness Week and discussion of the
international constitution and bylaws.

LEAGUE membership currently consists of people of all affectional
orientations who value a diverse work environment.  Any supportive AT&T
employee, retiree, or contractee is welcome to join us.  Our membership
list is confidential.

For further information, contact:
Jim Deacon	j.m.deacon@att.com	708-979-2727
Liz Houser	e.j.houser@att.com	708-224-4238
Jane Icenogle	j.icenogle@att.com	708-713-7449
Laura Welmers	l.h.welmers@att.com	708-979-5576
-- 
Homophobia destroys families.
Jim Deacon  j.m.deacon@ihlpe.att.com
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Depressing Scumpits? Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 22:30:07 GMT


In article <ku9e1fINNhop@mizar.usc.edu>
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>P.S. I hope you don't want to disappear the base of Laurel Canyon --
>I'd have to move, and that's such a chore.

Why darlin', what*ever* are you talkin' about?  You just
wait for the Santa Anas, pickup up your purse, and spread
your gossamer wings -- you'll be in Vegas in a trice!

-- 
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From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: postcard mutilations?
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:41:33 GMT
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.

In article <1992Apr9.102830.29265@ircam.fr> francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) writes:
>In article <0dsWdtG00VQjQ=xVka@andrew.cmu.edu> rb5d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Bates) writes:
>>>My housemate Andy recently got back from the post office a mutilated
>>>shred of the "yes I'm glad to be gay" postcard he sent to Ann Landers.
>>I have received postcards (with no MOTSS relevance) delivered to me
>>torn in half or otherwise damaged.  Usually, there is a stamp (in
>>traditional post office purple) that says something to the effect of
>How odd. I've mailed polaroids of vaguely nude friends with an address
>and a stamp on the back and they always get through with no problem. I
>guess they are more rigid.

or perhaps obviously fragile.
i believe things that will gum up the works (and slow down the production
line as it were) are redirected to manual sorting as soon as they are
noticed.
so, either send really tough mail, or really flimsy mail, it's the
marginal stuff that gets eaten...

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         postmaster@thinkage.on.ca  kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca  thinkage!kgdykes
         kgdykes@watmath.waterloo.edu  [129.97.128.1]   kgdykes@thinkage.com
From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:01:33 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)

In article <bpqjtzf.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>As some of you may remember, one of my New Year's resolutions was to become
>more butch (another was to flirt more).
>
>I'm obviously beyond becoming innately butch, so I decided to go for
>exterior butch - boots, jeans, that sort of thing.  It turns out that
...
>Well, practice makes perfect.  What do you folks out there have to say
>about the proper way to walk in boots?

A) Invite Roger Klorese over. Get comfy. A cup of enamel-peeling
coffee, some good music, hardwood floor.

B) Ask him to lie down. Face down. If possible, handcuff him to
exposed plumbing pipes, or something ominously metallic.

C) Put on your boots. Make sure you have thick socks, you don't want
to get blisters.

D) Turn the music up loud. I suggest a CD, perhaps something dizzy
like Carmina Burana, though William Burroughs reading Kleist with
Austrian oompah band in the background will do in a pinch.

E) You can buy spurs many places, or mail order them from "Durango". I
prefer the small but deadly kind to the larger and more obvious
decorative models.

F) A gravel-colored, or pavement-colored hanky would probably do quite
well in Roger's mouth, at this point. You might want to duct-tape it,
things like that have an annoying tendency to pop out at the last
moment.

E) Call a dial-in multiline sex service on a portable phone. While on
the phone (hopefully the music is too loud to hear anything on the
phone), calmly tickle one of your spurs in the small of Roger's back.
Scratch deep enough to draw a little blood, but not enough to form a
pool.

F) Call dial-a-prayer. Stand on Roger's back, and everytime they say
"amen", take a step forward. Everytime they say "hallelujah" take a
step backwards.

G) Change the record. Listen to something like Chris&Cosey's "Imagine
Yourself in Los Angeles", and do a jitterbug on Roger's Bottom. by now
you will be well acquainted with how one walks on with these boots.

H) Back and forth. Back and forth.

I) After 3 hours, let Roger up, and clean up the mess. Give him a 
peck on the cheek, and let him go out cruising.


-- 
| Le Jojo: Fresh 'n' Clean, speaking out to the way you want to live
| today; American - All American; doing, a bit so, and even more so.
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Michael Nyman (was Re: Peter Greenaway fags (was Re: Basic Instinct protests))
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:09:53 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <j779iho@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>In article <1992Apr2.121541.11745@quantime.co.uk> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
>>I survived by watching [Drowning By Numbers] on video
>>and keeping track of the numbers on a piece of paper.
>Gee, I loved it... Saw it twice in the theatre...

Four times so far, and still wanting to see it again.  The bit that always
cracks me (and the audiences) up is where we see Smut in his blood-soaked
bed and he explains that he's just circumcised himelf with a pair of
scissors - but he *did* sterilise them first :)  The audience reaction is
usually mixed: the women laugh bucketsful, and all the men cringe and groan...

[Cook, Thief...]
>Gee, I thought that other than "Belly of an architect" that The cook,etcetc
>was his weakest movie thus far...

Oh, I'd have voted for "H is for House".  I have a sneaking fondness for
"Cook, Thief..." - though with a temptation at the critical moment for
yelling out "Take him back - there's not enough rosemary!" :)

>Michael Clark was also in Edward II.

Is that a photograph of Michael Clarke on the cover of Nyman's "And Do
They Do / Zoo Caprices"?  *slurp*

On Nyman: I'm trying to get hold of as much of his music as possible.  If
anyone has stuff that I haven't, I'd love to hear from them...

I currently have:

	A Zed and Two Noughts
	The Draughtsman's Contract
	Drowning By Numbers
	The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover
	Prospero's Books
	String Quartets 1-3
	Out of the Ruins
	The Kiss and Other Movements
	And Do They Do / Zoo Caprices
	1-100 (on the second Piano Circus album)
	The Michael Nyman Songbook (Ute Lemper singing Nyman!  Yum!)

and am about to get

	A Walk Through H
	The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat

Anything else out there, anyone?

					Kay

-- 
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From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:24:03 GMT

 francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) writes:
>If one drew a "Mason Dixon" line across the US, there has never
>been a mention of a con south of it. Boston; San Francisco; Toronto;
>Portland. The one mention of Atlanta met with shrieks and hand-wringing.

Sorry, darlin', it just ain't so.  Austin raised some serious interest
a couple of years ago.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
  "Toronto is on that appendage of Canada that THRUSTS down into the US so
   forcefully...leaving Ohio trembling with a bewildering, almost erie feeling
   of both pain and ecstasy." --Charles S. Squires, Jr.
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