HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Irresponsibility (Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan)
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:34:52 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:

>	I am no defender or spokesman of the Japanese government, I will post
>	some of the main reasons why they asked the authors of the history text
>	books to revise and re-write the books as far as I can recall:

I've enjoyed reading your posts as they appear well thought out and
well said. But in this case, the "reasons" you provide (not yours,
but those of officials) would better be termed "flimsy excuses" :-)

>	1)	number of victims in Massacre of Nanking
>		original(s):  400 thousand, 4 million
>		censored   :  a great number of
>		reason     :  there is no confirmed statistics found in 
>			      any source.

This is a favorite tactic. Since we don't know exactly; maybe it
didn't happen at all?

>	2)	Japan's invasion of China
>		original(s):  Japan's invasion of China
>		censored   :  Japan's advance into China
>		reason	   :  the word is too elaborated and may be 
>			      too shocking for the students.

Obviously "shocking" has a number of meanings. Manga with it's rape
and sexual wierdness with high school girls (OK as long as no pubic
hair) isn't shocking, "invasion" is. Case by case.... 

>	Well, this is all that I can recall for now.  The censorship of the 
>	texts-to-be is held every three years and newly publishing texts as well
>	as the ones that passed the censorship three years before have to be 
>	"advised."  Yes, this is just pieces of "advices," though, if you don't
>	follow the advice, the text won't be published.
>
>	The results of censorship (or advice) are undoubtedly published on the
>	very first page of newspapers with detailed explanations and commentary,	which usually occupy two to three more pages, and are broadcast on most
>	TV and radio news.

I've read articles in the English papers. The hardest part to
understand is why people aren't rolling on the floor laughing at the
"reasons"! 

>	Does anyone on the net have information what is on the most recent 
>	text books?

Sorry, I don't. There was a report about a Japanese school teacher
who had made a study of how WW II was presented in schoolbooks in
various countries in Asia. Needless to say there were marked
differences.  But I didn't save the article, sorry. 

Dave

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From: cb522@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cathy Atwood)
Subject: Re: Have some cash
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 05:22:18 GMT


I certainly agree about having some yen cash.  Last year I 
stayed for two weeks at the Shinjuku Park Hotel.  They did not
accept VISA.  They did not accept traveler's checks *in yen*.
They did have piles of cash in the register!  My friend bailed
me out and paid the required advance.

Awhile ago someone said that it is cheaper to take $ traveller's
checks and convert when in Japan.  This may be so, but I have a
different perspective.  I go for short visits, and need to know
what my budget is.  Since the dollar/yen conversion can be
volatile, I prefer to get yen cash and t.c. before leaving the
United States, and know what I'll have available to spend.

CGAtwood
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Need recipe...
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:01:53 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:

>In article <satoell.920821222808@eng.auburn.edu> satoell@eng.auburn.edu (Ellen Ayumi Sato) writes:
...
>>Would anyone have recipe for "okoa" (sp?) -- kind of "pink/light red" rice 
>>with some type of bean ?

>	What you meant, Ellen, is OKOWA, and actually there are several kinds
>	of okowa.  What you want is also known as seki-han/o-seki-han, 
>	literally "red rice."

>	What you need are;

>		sweet rice (mochi-gome)
>		red beans (azuki)
>		salt
>		sesami seeds (both black and white)

>	and, since I don't have a recipe here, GO AND RUN to the nearest big
>	university library and look for Japanese cooking books.  They should
>	have some.

I took a little survey a few months ago and there were quite a few
different ways to put the ingredients you've listed. At the time I
had just got a new rice cooker but people looked at the cookbook
that came with it and said, "No no, that's not how you cook seki-han!"

After trying out various suggestions, here's what I came up with:

1. Decide how much mochi-gome you're going to cook (for just me,
one cup is enough).

2. Take about 10% azuki beans compared to the mochi-gome and
soak in cold water. I let them soak for about 3-4 hours.

3. Then boil the azuki in water for hmmm, how long? Depends on how
dry they were to start out with, how long they have been soaked, and
how you like them. Maybe an hour, or until they get soft (sometimes
I foget and they get overcooked but such is life). 

4. Drain the water from the azuki and put them and the mochi-gome in
the cooker (you do have a cooker, don't you?), adding about the same
amount of water as mochi-gome. Again, this varies depending on how
dry the mochi-gome is and how you like it. My cooker has marks on
the inside for how much to add and they work pretty well for me. 

5. Cook the rice just like ordinary rice.

6. Sprinkle the sesami seeds on top (some people use all black,
some black and white). 

7. Enjoy!

Note that I didn't say where to use the salt. That's because
I don't use any. Some people do and I guess you could use it
when you cook the beans and/or the rice. But the black sesami
I get have salt in with them and that's enough for me.

Actually, there's one more thing and that's some kind of leaf
that goes into the final bowl of seki-han but I don't know what
it's called, and I don't know where to get it if I did, so I
just go without.

Hope that helps,

Dave

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From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:17:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Aug20.141715.20301
Organization: ~/lib/organization

In article <908@hobby.ukc.ac.uk> mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith) writes:
>In article <Aug.19.14.43.01.1992.1604@sol.rutgers.edu> lixj@sol.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li) writes:
>   What problem? Do you mean China would invade Japan to get its revenge?
>
>Let's examine this. Japan has a standing army of what, 300,000 or so?
>The Peoples Liberation Army is what, some 4,000,000 or so?  Who fought
                                           ???????????????
About 2,500,000 is a better estimate!
>in the Korean war. Which of the two invaded Tibet within the last 50
                                             ?????
Tibet has been part of China for over a thousand years and almost 
every country recognizes this fact officially. China didn't invade
Tibet, it was taken over by the Communist from the Feudal Dala Lama
and in 1959 when he and his follower rebelled, they were defeated
just like Lincoln defeated the Southen Confederacy in th 1860's in
U.S.. I think you got confused by those separatist and the outside
people who want to split China to keep China weak.
>years. Which more recently invaded Vietnam. Which army was prepared to
>massacre its own people but three years ago. Which country has nuclear
>weapons.
>
>It seems to me that the Japanese have far more reasons to fear the
>Chinese than the Chinese have the Japanese. Or maybe you will tell me
>that the Japanese as a race (or ethnic group for you who refuse to
>acknowledge the Japanese as a separate race) are predisposed to
>violence, whereas the Chinese aren't.
>
>Malcolm Smith
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From: kinosr@rs6106.ecs.rpi.edu (Roy Kiyoshi Kinoshita)
Subject: Email address at Kansai University?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:48:49 GMT

Does anyone know if Kansai Univ. is connected to Internet?  And, if they
are, what their email address is?

Thanks,

Roy Kinoshita (kinosr@rpi.edu)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

cc: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: On Japanese apologies
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:09:05 GMT
Reply-To: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL
Message-I.D.: <1992Aug21.133638.3463@udel.edu>Lines: 18


 In article <1992Aug21.133638.3463@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.233634.3215@ducvax.auburn.edu> kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:
>>HOWEVER Let's talk about Japan of today. Nobody can deny that Japan is
>>one of the richest nation on earth. But Dose she make any effort to
>>contribute her economic power for the poor with full warm heart?
>
>Any economic aid a rich country gives to another poorer is donner's
>privilege and nobody has any say on it except maybe Scrooge murmurs if 
>that's the case.  I guess a point Mr Kim made was: given that there is 
>strong suspicion about Japan due to recent historical events, some 
>justified and others unjustified, common sense would dictate Japan to 
>go extra length to try to smooth international relationship with Asian 
>neighbors but that's what's lacking in the eyes of Japan's neighbors.  
Thanks for your good interpretation and understanding.
Good, Good and Sure, Sure.
I have a dream of building a GREAT SOCIETY ON ERATH.
From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Regarding Japanese T.V...
Date: 17 Aug 92 01:10:09 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

Sounds like something useful on American TV's also.  If you don't have
cable, you often have large gaps between the channels you can get.
Not much of a problem now, since most new TV's have digital input,
or even a built in channel memory.  But when I was a kid, watching
TV late at night was risky, because turning the knob 20 notches higher
was bound to wake everyone up :-)

I still don't really understand what the big difference between the two
systems is, unless people are used to having all channels close together...
-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
    Macintosh - you can buy better, but you can't pay more!
From: keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka)
Subject: Re: Chinese Food in Japan
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:19:20 GMT

mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako) writes:

>The Chinese food in Yokohama is fake (is that too harsh a word, sorry).
>The Chinese food in Osaka is even more fake (sorry about that, too).

Afterall Chinese restaurants in Japan cater for local palates. I
had not noticed it when I lived in Japan but any ethnic food in
Japan somewhat tastes "Japanized" after living in the USA 10 years.
Personally I'd rather go to China Town in San Fran, Chicago, or NY
to get Chinese food cooked in good old American way!  You never
know if it's kosher in Yokohama, you know. :)
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: On Japanese apologies
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:46:43 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:

[* lots of stuff omitted to get to the point I want to reply to *]

>A very good point; my feeling was that most Japanese WANTED their government 
>to do something to try and redress the issues (after all, no one likes being
>villified for things they personally have no control over) but have no idea
>how to bring this about. More pessimistically, they have no feeling that 
>their government represents their interests anymore on ANY issue (sound 
>familiar?) and the voter turnout in the last election was the lowest ever.

I don't know about 'most' Japanese but the people I have queried
(maybe 50?) seem evenly divided. Some feel strongly that a
sufficient apology has been given, others feel that if it hasn't
been accepted it isn't sufficient. 

This kind of split has been seen in recent polls appearing in the
Daily Yomiuiri qconcerning PKO and other matters related to the SDF.
Half the people asked think one way, half another. 

Given the situation, it hardly makes sense to speak of *the* Japanese
does it.

Dave

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From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Irresponsibility (Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan)
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:05:00 GMT
	<SMITTIE.92Aug17152312@lark.csulb.edu> <7078@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

Bill, you gotta give me at least a little credit for trying. I figured I was
blowin' in the wind when I posted.

smittie

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From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What do most of Japanese think of Korean (Re: An open letter..)
Date: 23 Aug 92 07:11:25 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Aug23.060230.9267@Princeton.EDU> wohfuchi@splash.Princeton.EDU (Wataru Ohfuchi) writes:

[stuff deleted]
>
>  Recently, a Japanese friend of mine pointed out a word I was using
>should be an anti-Korean word. It's "baka-chon" as, almost excusively,
>in "a baka-chon camera" = a very friendly camera which even a person, who
>is very ignorant of the mechanics of a camera, would find it very easy
>to use. Since the word is so attached to cameras, I hadn't been aware that
>"chon" might be "Chosen"'s "cho(n)". Then "baka-chon" would mean
>literally "stupid = baka" "Korean = chon (Chosen{jin}). I was so ashamed
>of my ignorance. I apologyze.
>  While "Chosen" does not have any derogatory meaning, there may be
>some offending words against the Koreans, that include "chon". I just
>don't come up with any other.
>  Now my questions are:
>  1) Does "baka-chon"'s "chon" really mean Korean?
>  2) Are there any other offending Japanese words against the Koreans?
>
	An answer to 1) is NO.
	"Chon" in this case means "the end of a matter, to fire (a person),
	a dot, and a person who has less wisdom/knowledge."  So "baka-chon"
	has nothing to do with offending or insulting the Korean nationals.
	But there ARE people who do not like to use the word for fear of 
	offending anyone.


	I don't know about 2).

	BTW, as Wataru-san stated in above article, the very word is actually
	often used to insult the Koreans (nothing to do with cameras). 
	Sometimes the word is conbined with the word "kou" (the same kanji
	meaning "public") as in "sen-kou" to refer to teachers.


				Tetsuya Nishimura
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: kenji@reseau.macrofield.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Any Public Unix account in Japan?
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:39:19 GMT
	<2280@aegis.or.jp>
Reply-To: kenji@reseau.macrofield.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Distribution: soc
Organization: Macrofield Corporation, Toyonaka-city, Osaka, Japan
Posting-Front-End: Terakoya-u kaku 2.06 DEBUG 11-AUG-1992

In article <2280@aegis.or.jp>
	davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>By "connected to UUNET" you mean you direct-dial it in Falls Church,
>Va, right? How often does your organization poll? And at what time
>of day? How many MB/month is it moving for 13-16Kyen/month?

Once a day, about 100kbytes/month.

The reasons I chose UUNET were simple: I simply wanted to get rid 
of so-called Acceptable Use Policy of NSFnet, and I didn't want to 
get troubled with administrative issues (DNS, UUCP spool, news sys 
file setting, etc.)

>IMHO, if all somebody wants to do is send a few mails (and not read
>news, etc.) then most probably the least expensive is to get an
>acccount with CompuServe in the U.S., plus a TYMPAS account in
>Japan.

I don't recommend TYMPAS (TYMNET subsidiary in Japan) - use 
CompuServe access points in Japan instead.

// Kenji
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From: jfriedl+@cs.cmu.edu (Jeffrey E. F. Friedl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Have some cash
Date: 16 Aug 92 21:22:12 GMT
Reply-To: jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu
Organization: Carnegie Mellon / Omron Corporation

asano@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ASANO Yoshiteru) writes:
|> Accepted no credit card?  Sounds very odd to me.  Today, almost any type of 
|> business accepts visa or mastercard in Japan...

Maybe there is some store (at least one for almost each type of business)
that accepts credit cards, but (in my personal experience) it is a far
cry from saying that most businesses accept credit cards. Most don't.

[It isn't necessiarly bad that they don't .... only bad for you if you're
expecting they do and they don't]

|> Well, maybe your card wasn't international ...

I've never seen the distinction in The States (much like phones).
An Amex is an Amex and will be honored anywhere the Amex sign is shown.
In Japan, however, many department stores issue their own "Visa" (or MC)
cards, and accept only those blessed "Visa" cards. A Visa sticker on the
door doesn't mean they'll accept *your* Visa.

I have used both Amex and Visa conveniently in Japan, but I always bring
enough cash so I won't get stuck for what I really need.

BTW, the initial question was if one should exchange to get yen before
arriving in Japan, or at the airport.  I think most would agree that
it'd be silly to leave the airport without yen.

	*jeff*
Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:6895 soc.culture.china:23290 soc.culture.korean:3679
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Have some cash
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:40:19 GMT
	<7084@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> <ophm8gg@fido.asd.sgi.com>
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

>However, I am fairly certain that the Visa card that I have
>(AT&T Universal Card) does indeed show the exchange rate (and
>original yen price) on the statement.

I have an AT&T Universal Card (I love this card. I closed my Citibank Visa
because this card is so great) and on my bills they always include the exchange
rate used. Likewise, I handle my father's bills because he lives in Costa Rica.
He uses his card for everything and the exchange rate is always listed by each
item.

smittie
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From: buckley@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BUCKLEY  CHARLES RAY)
Subject: Re: Death of Admiral Yamamoto
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:29:05 GMT

In article <jwb.714007421@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>
>>In article <jwb.713660118@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>>>bomber was ambushed by 17 P-38 Lightnings and shot down. [It took 34
>>>days for the Japanese to recover his body from the jungle. It was cremated and 
>>>the ashes returned to Japan for a state funeral.]
>
>>I read that the flight consisted of 4 Lightnings; 17 seems a bit high.
>
>Well, Bergamini said 18, but one crashed on takeoff. Since they had to fly about
>400 miles to the ambush, and they knew they would have to deal with the 
>escorting fighters, it is unlikely that as small a number as 4 would have
>been sent.
>
The number is correct. The number 4 is also coerrect in that 4 of the aircraft were designated to attack the Betty bombers. The lead bomber carried Admiral
Yamamoto and some of his staff. The following bomber carried the admiral's chief
of staff. The 2 bombers were relatively unarmed (1 belt of ammunition each). The
idea was that the escorting zeros would defeat any stray patrols that should
be encontered. In usual practice, this would suffice since most patrols were
made of 4 or 5 aircraft. The 13 extra aircraft were there to take out the
escort. Oddly enough there was no radio communications between the escort and 
the Betty's. The trailing aircraft did not even know that there was an attack
until The lead aircraft was shot down. The lead pilot, from his actions, did
know from a fly-by from one the zeros. The zero flew by the lead aircraft
and dipped its wings. The lead bomber immediately accelerated and headed to
the deck. The following bomber tried to follow but had engine difficulty. Since
the pilot did not realize there was an attack, he did not follow. The pilot saw
the Admirals plane go down after two passes by an American aircraft (which is
still a controversy among the two planes claiming to have shot down Adm. 
Yamamoto).
  
  The trailing bomber assessed the situation and realized that he was a goner,
so he decided that if he was going to get shot down, he'd rather go in the 
water. He took out over the ocean where he too was shot down. However, the pilot
lived as did 3 others from the trailing bomber. In the controversy between 
the two americans claiming the victory, his interview a few months back helped
clarify a lot of questions about what happened that day as he could see the
whole action around Yamamoto's aircraft.

[stuff deleted]
Charles Buckley
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Have some cash; Was: Re: Osaka Airport directions
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:25:31 GMT
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: davidg@aegis.or.jp's message of 17 Aug 92 02:14:28 GMT

In article <2360@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

 =}Sorry, but I can't take your claims to mistreatment so seriously.
 =}Were they really doing this to you, personally? That is, they were
 =}accepting other people's Corporat AmEX cards, but not yours? 

   He didn't seem to claim that he was being mistreated.  He claimed
that he made the mistake of not bringing enough cash with him and
made the further mistake of choosing a hotel which didn't accept
credit cards.  A rather embarrassing situation to be in...

   To this claim another poster expressed doubt as to the honesty of
this claim since he believes almost all Japanese businesses accept
credit cards...

   In the post you responded to, the original poster was providing the
information neccesary to support his claims.  You may want to reread the
thread if you are still confused...
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