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From: jhk1@cec2.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky)
Subject: Re: Half Showers
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:18:50 GMT

In article <2AD5CC8A@courier> Angus Orde <A.Orde@leeds-poly.ac.uk> writes:
>The 4 club half shower is a triple-single pattern. I can (sometimes) do this, 
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Is there no one out there who does a four-club half-shower with
DOUBLE throws?  If one goes by site-swap, the double throw would be much more
appropriate.  After all, I have never seen a five-club juggler use triples in a
cascade.  I for one think that it's much easier than throwing singles and the
rhythm fits a bit better, IMHO.
	Does no one agree, or am I the lone double-singler, destined to live
a simple life, alone in his radical notions?
	(Or am I just being over-dramatic?)

	-- Jon Krivitzky
From: toddc@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (todd.a.claxton)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Mark Nizer at DeKalb, IL
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:14:38 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: AT&T



Hi All,
	I just wanted to let you that Mark Nizer will be appearing
at Northern Illinois University (NIU) on October 24, 1992 (Saturday).
The show is scheduled for 8:00 p.m. in the Duke Ellington Ballroom of 
the student center.  Tickets are $5 for adults and $3 for NIU students 
or children under 13.  Tickets will be available at the door or you can
order them in advance by calling the programming and activities office 
at (815) 753-1421.
	Unfortunately I will not be able to go but I thought others in 
the Chicagoland area might want to know about this performance.

						Todd A. Claxton
						toddc@ihlpm.att.com
From: duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Duane Starcher)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Phil's Phlight
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:40:15 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland


	I am sorry to learn that McPhil is flying our electronic
coop, at least for now.  With sadness I will delete his alias from my
.mailrc and wish him my best.  In distant future times, he is to be
recalled as one of our Founding Fathers and venerated annually. This 
may be more veneration than he has received while among us, but
that is merely the way of the world (Cheap Philosophy 1001).  I for one
will miss his contributions to the group.
                                                      
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From: sdfinuca@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Sean Finucane)
Subject: Juggling at Fed Hall
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:35:48 GMT

While it is perhaps not my place to be announcing the show, I will do so 
because I know something about it.

Jeff Bradley will be performing his show at Fed Hall, on Thursday Oct. 8
at 9 pm.  The poster I saw suggested that this show is free.

I have twice seen Jeff perform on the street and I can assure you that it
is a great show.  In particular, he has a great club/flaming torch
swinging routine, and some of the best diabolo routines I've ever seen.

I have been informed by the Federation of students that it will be 
about a twenty minute spot, and is billed as a fire show.

Enjoy,
   
Citizen of the World.

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From: garys@iscp.bellcore.com (Gary Seubert)
Subject: Re: Record List
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:34:35 GMT

One record is missing - at the Philly Convention this past weekend I saw
a guy juggle three hoola hoops while bouncing two balls on a giant pogo
stick  (note that the balls were not visible - they were cleverly hidden
in his shorts!)

Anyway - Philly was great!  My first Convention (of many, I hope) and
I saw a LOT of really solid juggling.  Got some great tips, spent a lot
of $$, met some great people and juggled till I dropped (made 10 catches
though).

The evening show was terrific (as expected).  Cindy Marvel is exactly that.
When she had been warming up in the Boathouse in the afternoon, she told me
she had a pinched nerve in her shoulder and that she might not perform
in the evening show.  Well, she came out and, in her opening sequence with
5 balls, she had a drop. (afterward she told me that, when she dropped on
the opening sequence, she thought to herself: "This is going to be a
LONG night!").  Well, that drop was followed by some of the most diverse
5-ball stuff I've seen; multiplexes, high and low (like below eye level)
cascades, 3 high - move to the other side of the stage - continue with
5, etc, etc, etc.   Needless to say - no more drops.  Marvelous!

yraG
"Jack of all trades ... Master of several"
From: mjn@jet.uk (Mark J Neale)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: looking for ... / Do you recognise this?
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:09:08 GMT
Organization: Joint European Torus

Does anyone know the whereabouts of Joe Gaudreau? The mail address I
have (which is a year old) of Joe.Gaudreau@EAST.SUN.com is no longer
valid (user unknown).

The reason for this is that I would like to use an article he posted
on the old listserver last year entitled "Just say NO! Don't let this
happen to you. Too late...", an except of which follows. If anyone
recognises this article and knows its origins then please get in touch
with me (by Email).

Thanks in advance, Mark.

--------

Subgenius Digest            Wed, 21 Aug 91       Volume 2 : Issue 228
 
...
 
 Subject: got any material to add to "PipeLine"?
 
 Have this if you like it. It's from the Friends of Fernando Poo.
 
===========================================================================
 
 
It can happen anywhere: a party, the recreation room, or sometimes even
in your local shopping mall. There's no easy way to tell them from
other people, the jugglers are everywhere. Remember if they approach
you, just say "no".

[ .... ]
-- 
      #                   Mark Neale (mjn@jet.uk)
      #  ######   #####   Juggling with the parameters of Fusion.
      #  #          #
      #  #####      #     Joint European Torus, Culham Lab. OX14 3EA, UK
#     #  #          #     +44 235 465272
 #####   ######     #     Any opinion expressed above is.
- Disclaimer: Please note that the above is a personal view and should not 
  be construed as an official comment from the JET project.
From: miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu (PHILLIP_SANMIGUEL)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: 3-ball half shower
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:52:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.Bw0pK6.4KI
Reply-To: miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University AIDS Center

In article <Bw0MM9.L83@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu (PHILLIP_SANMIGUEL) writes:

>  Jack Boyce has extended site swap notation to include synchronous tricks, 
>multiplex and passing.  So the 4 ball sync-shower is (4x,2x).  
  Sorry, I was thinking 3 ball sync-shower: (4x,2x).  The four ball sync-
shower is (6x,2x).

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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Five Clubs:  Who To Ask
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 16:16:58 EST

In article <1992Oct7.184901.14567@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
miller@quiver.enet.dec.com (Brian A. Miller) writes:
 
>P.S. Now would someone give me the big hint for 5 clubs?  It's been over two
>years since I first started trying this.  Argh!
 
I think Steve Ragatz' commentary about his student's early five-club
efforts were rather informative...
 
Steve?
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From: mcelwee@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Bennett)
Subject: Re: 4-ball Half Shower
Organization: Disorganization
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 00:46:14 GMT

olin@sics.se (Peter Olin) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.182057.7674@inmos.co.uk> jpk@freddy.inmos.co.uk (Jeremy Kirkwood) writes:

>What I found is that the 3 needs to a be really low throw (to keep
>down the 5), and part of the difficulty is that it needs to be so low
>that it is hard to see the peak of both throws at the same time.

I've been attempting the 7333 pattern, and it's (unsurprisingly) even worse
than this.  My head bobs up and down like...um...an extremely bobby thing,
trying to keep the 3's going and occasionally looking up to catch the 7's.
Does anyone out there have any tricks for doing this pattern?

-- 
== Bennett ========================================= mcelwee@cc.uow.edu.au ==
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From: dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Burke's Barrage
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:05:47 GMT
Organization: Stats Pure & Applied Maths, Uni of Adelaide, Australia

Hi all,
  I've just been reading the files from moocow (looking for some
inspiration :-), and noticed that the Burke's Barrage file never
gets a definitive description of the trick. The mail in that file
is about 18 months old now - has anyone got a description of it
in the meantime ?

PS I've seen someone doing 4 ball Mills' Mess - it's as you described,
the 2 balls in each hand stay in their respective hands. Looks
incredible, anyway (the guy who does it also does 7 balls, and 5 clubs
with all behind-the-back throws ... <sigh>).

-- 
David T Cook   e-mail: dcook@spam.adelaide.edu.au   Phone: +61 8 228 5709
Assistant Computer Manager, Stats, Pure and Applied Maths, Adelaide Uni.
"Behind the lines, a face that glimmers. Still looking for a face that shines."
       - Heartland, The Sisters of Mercy
From: jboyce@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Jack Boyce)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: 4-ball Half Shower
Date: 13 Oct 1992 06:14:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

Bennett writes:
>
>I've been attempting the 7333 pattern, and it's (unsurprisingly) even worse
>than this.  My head bobs up and down like...um...an extremely bobby thing,
>trying to keep the 3's going and occasionally looking up to catch the 7's.
>Does anyone out there have any tricks for doing this pattern?
>

No.  But I thought I'd mention that it is possible to do 83333 with 4
bouncy balls by lift bouncing the 8's -- throw them about as high as the
3's (depends on ball bounciness of course).  It takes work to avoid the
"this object is falling and I have to catch it!" reflex, but it's a 
really cool pattern.  7333 doesn't work as well this way, since the 7's
have to cross.

If anyone wants to work seriously on mixing bounced and normal throws
in site swap notation, the general rule of thumb is this:  Say you want
to bounce a throw T; halve the throw value and throw to that height --
the extra time added by going past your hand, hitting the ground,
bouncing back up and peaking, and then falling back will make the total
throw consume T time units.  This is a rule of thumb (not exact!), 
approx. true for relatively bouncy balls (silicone, lacrosse, etc.)

On the subject of site swaps, I just met one of the co-inventors of site
swap notation, Paul Klimek (sp?), at the Lodi convention this past
weekend.  He came up with it in 1983-84, I forget exactly.  Anyway, Paul
is *really* good at juggling frisbees, among other things.  He does a
number of 4-object site swaps with frisbees, throwing them as flats.
He does a 3-frisbee shower very well, and then goes into 7131 very
cleanly.  One of those closet-jugglers-who-really-should-perform types.

Jack
jboyce@physics.berkeley.edu
From: jr@ksr.com (John Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: 4-ball Half Shower
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:04:55 EDT
	<1992Oct7.225852.29089@wuecl.wustl.edu>
Organization: Kendall Square Research, Waltham, MA
In-reply-to: jhk1@cec2.wustl.edu's message of 7 Oct 92 18:58:52 EDT

In article <1992Oct7.225852.29089@wuecl.wustl.edu> jhk1@cec2.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky) writes:

	   What I found the most helpful when I learned the four-ball half
   shower was site-swap.  I realized that the high throws are IDENTICAL to
   those of a comfortable three ball shower (51).  If you've got this pattern
   down pat (which you probably do) just keep in mind the height of the fives
   as they are thrown.  Don't make it higher or lower than your shower.
	   It's true that the threes have to be relatively low.  Keep in mind
   how fast you do a three ball shower.  This is the tempo you probably want.
   The three throws in the 53 should be low enough to make it to the other
   hand in time.  Remember, fives are about FOUR to FIVE times HIGHER than a
   three.

This and the SS viewer suggest a good exercise for working up to this.
From a 3-ball cascade, throw three 5's in a row from one hand.  At
this point, there will be a hole in the pattern.  Go back to a 3 after
the hole passes the hand that threw the 5's.  Learn to do this so that
the rhythm is steady right through the "trick", and work up to doing
it continuously.  Now you have 3 balls going in the 5 3 pattern.

In siteswap, practice with:

  juggle 3 3 3 3 5 3 5 0 5 3 0 3

Add more 3's on the front for more wait between the "tricks".  Remove
them to move the "tricks" closer to each other, until you do a
continuous 3-balls-in-a-4-ball-half-shower:

  juggle 5 3 5 0 5 3 0 3

Finally, holding an extra ball in one of your hands while you practice
this, start the trick and throw the fourth ball when the "hole" goes
by.

Let me know if this works.  I can't do any 4-ball tricks.  If the SS
viewer actually helps me teach another juggler to do something I can't
do myself, wouldn't that be some sort of a first?

Maybe I should turn off this damn terminal and go juggle...
--
/jr, aka John Robinson                       Place stamps here
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From: garys@iscp.bellcore.com (Gary Seubert)
Subject: Michael Moschen in New York this Sunday
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 14:56:04 GMT
Keywords: juggling, dancing, superb, triangle, ...

Sorry for the short notice (I just found out late last night and just
ordered my tickets this morning) but MM will be at the State University
of New York in Purchase this coming Sunday (10/11) for a 3 P.M.
performance.  I understand it is a one-man show so, I would have to assume
that it would include a large sampling of his work.

I also understand that he is soon to depart (perhaps even directly after
the show) to Spain for some extended overseas work.

The SUNY phone number is: (914) 251-6222    Ticket prices are $15, $10 and $7
but you'll have to call the Box Office for availability.  (when I called
this morning they told me they could not give me three $15 orchestra
seats together).

See you there, perhaps!

yraG
From: miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu (PHILLIP_SANMIGUEL)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Low Attendence at Akron Fest
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:01:50 GMT
Reply-To: miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University AIDS Center


  Fellow Purdue Juggler, Mark Kahl, and I went to the Akron Fest this 
Saturday.  Slowed by car trouble, we arrived at 3 PM.  We were the 35th
and 36th registrants.  I'm not sure, but I would estimate attendence at 
twice that last year, maybe 3 times that 2 years ago.  None of the 
registrants were from Columbus (though a couple were said to be Jest 
Jugglers).  No one from Dayton.  Tom Bennett, who lives in Akron, was 
not there.
  I would like to see the Akron fest do better in the future.  They have 
alway fostered combat there.  After attending many fests where combat is 
frowned upon, if not banned outright, Akron deserves my support.  (There 
was some combat action initiated by the Purdue Jugglers, Jay Gilligan and 
the always blood-thirsty Llewelyn Falco.)  But times are changing and if 
Akron hopes to host a successful fest again they are going to have to come 
to terms with these changes.  Their location and longevity are no longer 
enough.  They are competing with many fests in that same area for the same 
juggling population.  Just next weekend there is a fest a couple of hours
away in Pennsylvania.  On the other hand there are nearly 200 IJA members 
in Ohio and nearly another 200 IJA member in Pennsylvania.  Todd Smith is 
maybe an hour away in Cleveland.  [Kevin Delagrange (Jugglebug) and Michael 
Ferguson were there, to their credit.]  So the numbers are there, they just 
have to be coaxed out.
  I'm not trying to suggest this is some kind of zero-sum game where a 
juggler showing at one fest will not show at another.  If a fest comes 
together it generates more interest for juggling in those in attendence.
  But if you are hosting a fest this year, don't take it for granted you'll 
have the same attendence as last year...

  I should mention that Jay Gilligan was there and won the 5 ball endurance 
contest.  More notably he's just recently won a national talent contest in 
Memphis -- walking away with $5000 and an audition with CBS.  


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From: jboyce@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Jack Boyce)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Site Swap Notation and the Three Ball Half Shower
Date: 17 Oct 1992 03:34:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

Brian A. Miller writes:
>
>Now, a triple-single pattern is supposed to have even timing, ala
>siteswap "3", but with triples from one hand and singles from the other.  If
>this is 5 3, something doesn't make sense.  5 clubs are juggled with doubles,
>not triples.
>

I've seen 5 clubs done with everything from singles to quads, you are
free to throw however you want to.

If you throw the 3 as you do in a normal 3 club cascade, then you 
throw the 5 as you would if you were doing 5 clubs *at that same
handspeed* (ie number of throws per second).  Listen to someone doing
5 clubs; the clubs hit their hands in a faster rhythm than they do 
with 3.  In order to get a similar rhythm, you need to do triples
or quads with 5 (juggler-dependent, of course).

Generally speaking people do numbers with a faster handspeed, to avoid
overly-high throws that are hard to do accurately.  So for example a
comfortable 7 in a 5 ball trick will be higher than your typical 7 ball
pattern (if you practice that).

Jack
jboyce@physics.berkeley.edu

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From: Chris Wright <STA5CW@lucs-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Half showers.
Priority: normal
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:59:00 GMT
X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R4).
Via: uk.ac.leeds.gps1; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:58:44 +0100

    A while ago I posted my opinions on the half-shower question (not
the most burning issue of the age, I admit). Basically, when you have
a large number of objects, there are several choices of pattern to
which to apply the name 'half shower'.  For example, if you were
juggling 9 balls, there'd be 15 3, 13 5, 11 7 and finally just 9,
where the throws are timed so as to give the desired effect. My five
ball half shower is a 5, but it would be nice to do it as a 7 3, and
it wouldn't be necessary to mess about with the timings of the throws
as it is with the pattern 5.  How about (with 9 balls again):

    11 7   -   one-eigth shower

    13 5   -   one-quarter shower

    15 3   -   half shower

    17 1   -   full shower.

    And another thing-  a while ago, someone said that they did not
agree that a 3-ball half-shower was a 3 in site- swap.  What is it
then?  Or are you just saying that it can't be notated in site-swap,
due to the wobbly timings of the throws?

               Chris Wright,  England.   That's in Europe.

P.S. Hello Angus.
From: x47377b2@usma6.USMA.EDU (Pritchard Sean CDT)
Subject: Softclubs
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 23:42:48 EDT

I'm looking for a good set of clubs to replace the solid plastic jugglebug 
clubs I use now.  My clubs can be hard on the hands after long practice 
sessions.  I saw an ad for "Softclubs" from Reflections company in the back of 
Juggler's World.  Has anyone had experience with these?  Does anyone know 
whether they are compatible with regular European clubs.  Are they durable?  
Any info would be appreciated.

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From: amorgan@csd-d-5.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog)
Subject: Re: 5 ball half shower
Originator: amorgan@csd-d-5.Stanford.EDU
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:17:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct08.145855.8958@rchland.ibm.com> 
  andya@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Andrew Arhelger) writes:
>Since everybody is talking about the half showers, does anybody
>have any hints for the 5 ball half shower?  

I can't start directly into the 5 ball half shower particularly well, I
have to drop into in via a cascade.  Like my 4 ball hs, my 5 ball hs isn't
really a hs if you consider site swap notation.  For site swap you would
have 7 3 I suppose with alternating throws.  For my 5 ball I do sort of
simultaineous throws at 6 ball crossing height and 4 ball crossing height.
I found it useful to do a cascade with occasional over the top throws, and
gradually move into a full half shower.

>Andy Arhelger

C Frog
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