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From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Subject: Re: News
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:30:48 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

Following just appeared on scp:

In article <1992Dec12.163734.66958@slate.mines.colorado.edu> imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
>
>	Muslims in Pakistan offered Jumma Prayer in one of the 
>	biggest temple in Sindh near Indus River.
> 

Nadeem

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School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7527  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Situation in Bombay
Date: 13 Dec 1992 18:08:23 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Sunday: 1900 hrs EST
Here's what I got from someone in Bombay:
***********************************************************************
Almost all places where violence reached its zenith fell in
areas like Nagpada, Agripada, Pydhhonie, Bhendi Bazaar, Mohammed
Ali Road, Jogeshhwari and Deonar - incidentally, rivalry is most
amongst the criminal groups in these areas.  Deonar reported the
largest number of casualties.  Looters had a field day
ransacking shhops and houses in Null Bazaar and godowns in Kurla
and Saki Naka with little distinction whethher they belonged to
a Muslim or a Hindu. In Dharavi also almost every family has a
member in the hospital.

The curfew was relaxed for a few hours ( from
6 a.m to 8 a.m and from 12 p.m to 2.30 p.m ) in Dongri Pydhonie,
V.P Road, Nagpada, Agripada,Byculla, Jogeshwari, Dhaaravi,
Deonar, Kurla, Nehru Nagar, Chembur, Kherwadi and Nirmal Nagar.

On Saturday there was some minor trouble in Buculla, Mahim,
Bhandup, Kurla, Deonar, Dadar, Chembur and some areas of Ghatkopar.

The Commercial Pilots Association has gone on an indefinite
strike from Thursday midnight.  Today the Indian Airlines has
announced some contingence schedule.  The situation is likely to
be a chaos in airports.  I have to check with our transport
section to find out about access to various points of the city
from thhe airport.

T.V reports say the city is limping back to normalcy over the
week-end. Tomorrow being a  working day, we have towait & watch
if the situation remains thhe same.  I will get back to yu in
aday or two when we have a clearer piccture.
*****************************************************************

Hope this is of assistance to anyone who plans to fly to Bombay in the next
few days.

Sudhama
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: seeta@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju UdayaBhaskar Sarma)
Subject: ...... From :: misc.news.southasia .....
Reply-To: seeta@eng.wayne.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Wayne State University, Detroit Michigan, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:22:32 GMT


-+> BAN ON COMMUNAL BODIES NOT VALID IN KASHMIR
How many stupid mistakes can the PVNR govt do?  The poor old man is unable to
handle these many crises simultaneously...  Obviously, he is slipping...
One more handle for the BJP to hang on to and cry foul...


-+> KAPIL PRESENTED WITH $220,000 BMW CAR
The lucky bastard...


-+> BABRI-MASJID DEMOLITION WORST MISADVANTURE, SAYS VAJPAYEE
What should one make of this...  Personal statement/opinion  or
is it the opinion of the moderates in BJP, or that they are now
regaining control ??

Just as PVNR was brought back, just as he was retiring, will BJP
bring back vajpayee?

-+> KRISHNA MURTHY CASE; CBI TEAM IN HONG KONG
The CBI is really having a ball investigating all sorts of cases...
If I have to return to india, I shall consider being a CBI officer...
(Know how to become one) ??



Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
From: bond@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (  Girish)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Converting the kafirs!
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:25:42 GMT
Organization: University of New Brunswick


From India-D :
-----------------------------

Date: 8 Dec 92 09:48:56 BST
From: Rohit Madhukar Ambekar <A.ROHIT@sheffield.ac.uk>
Subject: Video distributions

Dear Readers
As most of you might already be aware of, the majority of the ethnic
minority in the UK consists of Pakistani Muslims.  They are Sunni
Muslims as opposed to the Sheia Muslims (who are generally less
staunch).  The Sunni Muslims in the UK consistently tend to send out
propaganda either to the popular media or throught their own circles
in order to brainwash their subjects.
For instance, I have managed to get hold of a video that they are
secretly distributing through all the mosques in the UK.  It is quite
insultingly entitled:"FROM HINDUISM TO ISLAM" and yes, the content is
exactly as the title, how to convert Hindus to Islam.  It is
basically a speech given by a very famous South African Imam called
Ahmed Deedat (famous in muslim circles) in front of 6-15 year olds
(the influenceable age) about how it is justified for muslims to go
out and get a Hindu girl pregnant before she is married and then when
her Hindu family rejects her, then you have two new muslims - the
girl and her child.  He goes on to insult Hindu deities, Christian,
Jewish and British sentiments too! (ALthough I love Bharat Maata very
much, I cannot stand insults to Britain.  I love and admire this
country very much, and if they are going to complain about it then
no-one is asking them to stay.)  I know of many muslims who are dead
against this, but they will not say anything as they are afraid for
their lives.
Before you jump down my throat Mr Javed and Mr Hussain, I would like
to explain that statement:   There has been a case in the UK where a
father has killed his own daughter by Halal in front of her two
younger sisters, just because she wanted to become a christian.  When
he went to the Crown Court in his official statement he clearly
stated that he had to kill her as she was thinking of leaving Islam,
and no muslim must defy Islam.  What do you think goes on in the
minds of the two daughters ?  Do you think that they will ever say
anything against Islam.  This kind of fear holds them back.  The
incident has been recorded in the archive of National newspapers.
The sunni muslims get up to this kind of thing in secret, creating
hatred towards Hindus and then when bombings of Hindu temples occur
in Bradford and Derby, they are on the TV appealing for calm and
peace.  Can't you see the two-faced propaganda ?

------------------------------
From: jim@sytex.com (Jim Arnold)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: use of "ne" postfix
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 11:34:32 EST
Organization: Sytex Communications, Arlington V.A. * node 1

Hi all,

I lived 15 years in India, speak Hindustani, married an Indian girl.

We have an argument in our house on the use of "ne".

Can anyone shed light on the use of ne to replace ko as in:
us-ne ana hai  instead of us-ko ana hai

The former jars my ears, but I have a panjabi friend who
insists on using the former when he means the latter.

Is this a customary "apabhramsh" or is it really acceptable?

I hate it, because it simply confuses me.  Should I "retune" my
ears, or argue with the weight of this conference that it 
"just ain't so"?

thanks.
jim

---
jim@sytex.com
Sytex Communications, Arlington VA (703) 358-9022 (8,n,1)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: junnuru@plains.NoDak.edu (Srinivas Junnuru)
Subject: test
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:05:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
From: srinivas@vision.crd.ge.com (Chukka Srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: 3 BJP ruled state govts. dismissed
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:08:09 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <1gmbd3INN1f9@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:

 [stuff deleted]
>
>The BJP worked hard at destroying whatever facade of
>secularism existed in India. Narasimha Rao, in the fine tradition
>of Indira Gandhi and her progeny, is completing the job by 
>destroying democracy as well.
>
>
>-- 
>Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu


Very well said.

-srinivas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kazi@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: Re: Babri mosque and Muslims
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:44:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.185321.13697@tandem.com> rajesh@Tandem.com (Rajesh Srivastava) writes:
>If the horrible incidents in Pakistan and Bangla Desh do not represent
>the views of all Muslims - then how many Pakistanis and Bangla Deshis 
>have come forward to protest againt the multiple crimes of buring temples
>in their country?

I cannot speak for Pakistanis but a quick perusal of soc.culture.bangladesh
will show the condemnations by Bangladeshis [Muslim or otherwise] of the
attack on the temples by fanatics in Bangladesh.

Then also we have people in Bangladesh physically opposing the actions
of the fundamentalists. Not just the police and paramilitary forces 
deployed by the government but anti-fundamentalist forces themselve
were active in their attempts to thwart the fanatics. I present you
some excerpts from international press agencies:

Date: 8 Dec 92 11:29:09 GMT
UPI

	Injuries from clashes between Islamic fundamentalists and left-wing
activists in Dhaka climbed to over 70 and police firing in the southern
port city of Chittagong left seven wounded, police and hospital sources
said.

December  8, 1992
AFP

    At least 500 people were reported injured Tuesday as police fought
running battles with pro- and anti-fundamentalist groups amid a
nationwide general strike to protest the destruction of a mosque in
India.

----
- Zunaid Kazi
  kazi@cis.udel.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)
Subject: Re: Sati's history
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 23:21:44 GMT


Dear Mr. Verma,

Your explanation was both entertaining and amusing. Now, maybe you can take
this thread and tell us if the drining of uring, especially the holy cows,
is in Hinduism or not. I ask this, simply, because your noble prime minister
Mr. Desai brought it up with Barbara Walters some time ago, and I with
other disgusted Americans watched it.

Best Regards,
Shams Hasan
From: t1gopal@shekel.wr.tek.com (Gopal Kulkarni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Babri mosque and Muslims
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:55:29 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.


|> Since the heinous destruction of the Babri Mosque, many people have been
|> equating the Ahmadyas with Muslims.  I think it is time to realize that there
|> is a great difference in idealogy between the two peoples.  The Book of Islam
|> is the Quran and the Quran be amended in no way, shape, or form.  Upon any kind
|> of amendment, the book is no longer the Quran, the follower is no longer a
|> Muslim.  To be a Muslim, one must accept the absolute finality of the Prophet
|> Muhammad, may peace be upon him.   Anyone who does not accept that finality is
|> not a Muslim because that finality is an essence of Islam.  The problem with
|> the Ahmadya is not Muslim-Muslim problem, it is a Muslim and one who is
|> defiling Islam problem. 
|> 	What has happened in India is intolerable, and Muslims are reacting so
|> that this does not become another sad story like Kashmir.  When you go so far as
                                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
|> to distroy a sacred place of warship, you will make a person angrier than if
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> you killed his/her family.  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 	If this horrible incident does not reflect the views of all Hindus,
|> then every Indian should protest the crime that was committed.  
|> Mariam

My dear Mariam, did you reflect similar views, when scores of temples were demolished, hundreds of Hindus killed and thousands rendered homeless in Kashmir.
If you want to be kind, bestow your kindness upon all. You have the right to say the above words, only if you have reacted similarly in the past, irrespective of who was at loss.

Gopal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sk2g@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Sudesh  Kannan)
Subject: Looking for Chirala Padmanayan 
Keywords: looking for
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:15:30 GMT


I would like the email address of Chirala Padmanayan
who was my class mate in Visakha Valley School in
Visakhapatnam.  He later studied in GIT ( GITAM)
of Vizag.  He was in Auburn University and then
moved to Missisippi ( spelling ?) University nearby.

Directory assistance and notes to postmaster have
been in vain.

Would appreciate any help from sci netters.

Regards

Sudesh Kannan
sk2g@virginia.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: Ravi Kiran <ballams@pine.circa.ufl.edu>
Subject: How to prevent the likes of Ayodhya
Organization: India
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:50:57 GMT

Cross posted from alt.culture.us.asian-american

Lining up and shooting any body is not going
to solve problems of this nature.  IMHO, it seems
like religion is the root cause of all this.  I guess 
destroying all the religions of the world will atleast
prevent problems of this sort to happen in future. 
Religion as it is used now does more harm than good.
So it should be the case that the intellectuals should
find a way to remedy this world of religion.  The concept 
of God is no longer a helpful one, or so it seems. Just like a 
rotten limb is amputated,  the concept of religion 
should be completely removed.  Then nations will 
not be segregated because of religion, people will
not use religion for discrimination, people will not
fight bloody wars in the name of religion and who 
knows they may even stop fighting over other things 
too.  

YES, just like untouchability was made against law
in India, so should religion be made against law in 
the world.  

Comments welcome, 

Ravi Kiran.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rek@eng.auburn.edu (Narayana S. Rekapalli)
Subject: Question about PT,EAD and INS office
Reply-To: rek@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:42:20 GMT



Does anyone know the nearest INS office to Atlanta, where I can get the EAD on the counter?  Atlanta INS office takes 5 to 6 weeks.  I appreciate if you can provide this information to the following E-mail address.

         rek@eng.auburn.edu

Narayana Rekpalli
From: vidynath@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyarath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Debating (was Re: Babri Masjid, Hindus and Muslims)
Date: 20 Dec 1992 16:48:01 -0500
Organization: Me? Organized?
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <bandi.724882721@mega> bandi@mega.cs.umn.edu (Vijay) writes:
>The ruins of hundreds of buddhist monasteries and 'stupas' tell a different
>story altogeather.

But you must still prove that they were destroyed deliberately, and not by
neglect etc.

Today's (12/20/92) Columbus had an article on Parthanon. It tells one
incident which did great damage to the structure: One army was using the
Parthenon as an ammunition dump. The opposing army fired cannons at it.
You can imagine what the resulting explosions did.

In India itself, quarrying of old structures, ignoring the artistic and
acheological value is well known and has happend to various kinds of unused
structures.

>Adi Sankaracharya himself had some 'aramaa's demolished and the monks
>executed after winning a prologed theological debate with them.

There are some relevant comments from the Brahmanas, Upanishads etc:
At the end of debates, the loser was expected to become the disciple of
the winner. If the loser continued his discussions beyond the point of
decision (by the audience?), or refused to become the disciple of the
winner, he was cursed to die (more usually the curve was "his head will
burst into hundred pieces). There is some discussion of this in Heesterman's
"Inner conflict of Tradition".

I have no idea of when this practice stopped. Shankara is depicted to won
debates with others who became Shankara's disciple (I can't think of the
names right now. The most famous was the proponent of Purva Mimamsa.)
Buddha is also said to hav defeated some vedic brahmans who then became his
disciples (One name mentioned is Vashista, with long a, meaning descendent of
Vashista, with short a).

-- 
Vidhyanath Rao			It is the man, not the method, that solves
nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
(614)-366-9341			[as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]
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From: rneti@cs.uh.edu (RamaKrishna V.Neti)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: HELP FOR 7-year old
Date: 20 Dec 1992 22:17:54 GMT
Organization: Computer Science dept.,  Univ. of Houston (Main Campus)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu




Hi netters,


		 I am posting this for a friend of mine.


HELP FOR 7 year old Brian ....


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Without the transplant, Brian faces suffocation and heart failure.

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A Texan Uniform Gift to Minors Account (TUGMA) has been set up to help 

pay for the expensive bone marrow transplant.  

You can help by sending a gift payable to :

		Merilee S. Rustogi, custodian

		for Brian Ajoy Rustogi

		under TUGMA

		p.o box 440970 #283

		Houston, Texas 77244-0970


-- 
********************************************************************************  RAMAKRISHNA V.NETI      ^^^^^^^^     Dept. of Computer Science, U of H
  713 748 7350            ^^^^^^^^          HOUSTON 77204.
  713 743 4791(off)       ^^^^^^^^     WAIT FOR MY MAIL
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From: ph89ngp@brunel.ac.uk (Nelesh G Patel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Test Message
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:44:30 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Only Testing
From: bandi@mega.cs.umn.edu (Vijay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Babri Masjid, Hindus and Muslims
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:18:41 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <92355.091249RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
[ a lot of interesting points, are deleted ...]

>    At the time of the birth of Buddha, all of India was `Hindu'.  200 years
>later, the official religion, under king Asoka, was Buddhist.  Then, under
>the Guptas, it was Hindus again and then again under Harsha-vardhan it
>was Buddhist again.  There were no wars that accompanied these changes
>and when Sankaracharya re-established Hindu pre-eminence, it was through
>debates.  Compare that with the inquisition and the 100 years war over
>religion in Europe and see that the Indian record in exceptionally good.

Correct so far..

>   Buddhism fought Hindusim for pre-eminence for some 15 centuries, but Hindus
>did not retaliate with violence.  Budhhism, weakened by Hinduist revival,
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>came to an END in India when invading Muslim armies put Buddhist monks
>at Nalanda to the sword.  We can tolerate and even respect Islam, but we
>cannot blindly ignore the fact that the notion of settling religious
>disputes through violence is not Indian but comes from outside.

Hmm.. thats a blanket statement buddy. The ruins of hundreds of buddhist
monasteries and 'stupas' tell a different story altogeather. Archeologists
keep finding these 'arama's every once in a while, esply in south india.
[North india is more like a slate wiped out and rewritten many a time]
	There has always been friction and bloodshed ( esp betn 8th to 12th centuries ).
	If u wanna know, Adi Sankaracharya himself had some 'aramaa's
demolished and the monks executed after winning a prologed theological
debate with them.  Probably, these acts might have been practiced by both
sides but the history is generally not so keen on recording the human 
misery per se. 
	The point I want to make is that all these acts of men reflect the
times they lived in, and the persons may not be so bad after all. Similarly,
our actions mark our times, and I would like to think that I'm living in an
era where tolerence to other human beings' view point is a norm. 

-Vijay
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: tadepall@brahms.udel.edu (Hari Krishna Tadepalli)
Subject: Srilanka Broadcasting Corporation - A request to Mr.Atul Chabra
Followup-To: All India Radio
Keywords: Radio Transmissions, Sri Lanka
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:38:50 GMT


	I am very keen on listening to SriLAnka Broadcasting. Do
	we have any hopes of this in US ? 

	If anyone knows more about this, kindly respond. Probably
	Mr. Atul Chabra will kindly let us know. 

					   - Tadepalli Hari Krishna



-- 

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From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Narrow Hindu Beliefs- was- Ram (Was he Fact or Fiction)??
Date: 17 Dec 1992 11:02:36 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Ranjan Rai writes:
>>	fafat@aludra.usc.edu writes:
>>	is not true. Matter-energy IS NOT CONSERVED. And Science gives a 
>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>	FFT
>>
>
>Could you please explain exactly what kind of "science" you are referring
>to?  Whatever it is, it sure isn't physics.  
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Ranjan Rai                             <rairan@ecf.toronto.edu> 

	
	ahhh! This is good :) I wish you had bothered to check the fact
	before making that statement. Check the FAQ of sci.physics. That
	will tell you exactly why energy is not conserved on large time
	scales or equivalently, on a global level. 

	FFT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bkotecha@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bipin Kotecha)
Subject: Re: joke
Cc: soc.culture.indian@dis.demon.co.uk
Reply-To: bkotecha@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:11:00 +0000

> Yoy write:
>   ^
> >>Apparently <maya@dcs.ed.ac.uk> is my father.  Well, Hi dad!
>   Hi son, by the way l've never married.     
> 
> >>His posting demonstrates wonderful intellectualism.
>    Thanx.
>        ^
> >>Pleased to see a British education is paying dividends.
>   Are you - good.
>          ^
> >>I wonder if the British taxpayer is aware of this.
>    The taxpayer is FOR freedom of speech.
>
> By the way l have aplogised on the net. And l apologise to you to son, for any
> offence caused.     ^
> 
> Ayaz.
> 

For a chap who likes to be funny you can't take a joke at your
expense too well.  I suppose that is to be expected.  As others on
the 'net have observed you don't apparently want to apologise but it
seems you may be subject to pressure from admin at your site.  Shame
about your desire for free speech, reality does have its failings.
Perhaps mailing me directly and not sticking to whatever point you
were trying to make on the 'net was an attempt to get round admin.

If I (and others) have got the wrong end of the stick then sorry but
this is getting a bit heavy to go around doing multiple postings of
your apologies and sending me and others mail messages over a double
posting of a tasteless joke regardless of your sensibilities over
"free speech".

Please don't clutter my mailbox anymore.

Bipin Kotecha
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