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From: dian@arpeggio.gg.caltech.edu (Dian  De Sha)
Subject: Re: Where are the children??
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: all
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:53:51 GMT

In <1992Sep10.131254.3033@cs.unca.edu> stigle@cs.unca.edu (Sue Stigleman) writes:

>In article <1992Sep10.124014.3916@infonode.ingr.com> stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens) writes:
>>Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the complete absence of children
>>on this show?  Oh, there has been the occasional episode like the one
>>about the baby being left in Joel's office.  I know this show is meant for
>>adults, but a lot of us adults have to constantly deal with children.
>>
>>Why can't NE include some regular child characters?  Is the almost
>>purposeful exclusion of kids the writers' way of allowing the adults to
>>act more "childlike"?  Are they absent so that those of us who are parents 
>>can completely forget about our own kids for awhile (maybe not a bad idea!)?
>>Or is it because the NE writers have no experience with children?
>>
>>I believe the show could prosper with the inclusion of some children.  Maybe
>>Adam and Eve will provide this to some extent (what a parental couple!!!).
>>What do you think?
>>
>>Todd Stevens
>>stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com
>>

>I was going to post this earlier in the week, but then got horribly
>busy.

>One of the things I like best about the show is that THERE
>ARE NO CHILDREN!  None of those horribly bratty precocious
>terminally cute TV-kids.  Those aren't children -- they're
>mutant TV life forms.  I haven't seen a TV show yet where
>the children added to the show instead of taking it over.
>(I watch very little current TV so there may
>be shows out there that do.  None of the shows I have
>ever watched regularly has had children as regular characters.
>(Of course, this might say something about me .... :-))

I hadn't noticed the near-total dearth of children.  However, now that
it has been pointed out (how did I miss this?), I must say that I am
totally delighted that there are no kids.  After all, with a current 
cast of only about 15, just how many kids would be statistically
appropriate?  Who would that kid(s) interact with?  As for Adam and
Eve's offspring (Cain? Abel?), I don't anticipate much humor in their
arguing over permissiveness; in Eve's running Joel ragged over SIDS,
croup, etc.; in Adam concentrating on haute-cuisine baby food.  An
episode, perhaps, but hopefully not an on-going thread.

After all, these adults are all working on their own insecurities and
deficiencies; do we really need to see the same thing played out on
a younger (and less interesting) cast?

____
Dian
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From: snoopy@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com (Cindy Camp)
Subject: Music Guide
Originator: snoopy@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com
Organization: Denver, Colorado
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:41:56 GMT


Does anyone out there have a copy of the NEXP
music guide that was posted sometime last
season?  I had a copy, but seem to have misplaced
it somewhere.  Maybe it should be posted
again for all the newcomers that seem to
be arriving!  :-)

Cindy

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From: hankdtank <hank@waffle.sns.com>
Subject: Re: The Length of Joel's Stay in Cicely
Keywords: Joel
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 08:28:36 PDT

I had posted something about Joel's time in Cicely, but my site was acting 
up, so I guess it did not go over the net... here is my take on this 
question:
 
The writers/producers of the show are very careful not to make it really 
clear how long Joel has been in Alaska.  Their feeking is "what if the four 
years are up and the show is still popular and we can still think of things 
to put him though" (that's 'feeling,' BTW).
 
ONLY ONCE were they really clear and acurate on how long Joel has stayed in 
Alaska.  This occured in the episode "Goodbye To All That" (the first 
episode of the second mid-season, where Elaine dumps Joel, my favorite 
episode, if you care) when Chris says Joel has been there for 8 months on 
KBHR's morning show.  Except for this moment, they have been real 'loose' 
with the duration of Joel's stay.  Also, the year is rarely mentioned on the 
show.  For all we know, it could be 1991 back in Cicely.
 
An example of the producers playing fast and loose with the time occurs in 
the episode "Lost And Found," where Joel thinks he is being haunted by the 
spirit of a man who killed himself in Joel's cabin years before (great 
episode, corny ending).  Maggie tells Joel that he has been there over a 
year when the two are in the garage.  Later, Joel implies that he has been 
there for only 4 MONTHS when he talks to Marlyn about renewing a 
subscription to a magazine.  WHAT?!?!  How can Joel, the guy who marks his 
calender with big black 'X's for every day that passes (stated by Maggie in 
the episode) only think he has been in Alaska for 4 MONTHS?  Unless his 
contract with the state of Alaska is more that 4 years, like 4 years and 6 
months, but how can an anal guy like Joel forget to mention this to anyone?  

Another wierd time lapse, this episode follows "Spring Break" and just 
before "Wake-up Call" (another episode dealing with the coming of spring).   
So he was there 8 months, ad another 3 to get to "Spring Break," then ad 
another 10 months to get to "Wake-up Call," and he had been there for 
atleast 21 months, well over a year and a half.  This is not including the 
time paradox surounding the other characters, like when they seperate 
events, saying stuff like "that happened 6 months ago," but since I am doing 
this from the top of my head, I cannot bring those factors into my 
calculation.
 
If we were to analyze this further, we would probably find out he has been 
there for five years.
 
Another thing to condsider is that Maggie's 30th birthday will be the topic 
of the season premier (doesn't that mean that they missed Joel's big 3O, 
what a waste of his nurosis), so if someone can remember if she has ever 
mentioned that he was 28 on the show, that could help.
 
But who care's, this is a great show.

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Systems'n'Software Free Public Access BBS --- (510)623-8652
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From: drascic@ie.utoronto.ca (SpIke)
Subject: Re: Where are the children??  (And who needs 'em! :-)
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:53:11 GMT

lewis@linac.fnal.gov (June Cummins Lewis) writes:

>I would think that if children were on this show they would not be
>bratty, smart-mouthed sitcom kids.  This show doesn't follow any of
>the formulas of the typical sitcom--why would they regress just
>because they introduced children?

I think it is a requirement of the networks.  Even Star Trek: The Next
Generation gets terrible once kids show up.

Funny, though, how I never once noticed their absense til I came across this
thread....

	SpIke.
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From: austin@hydro.la.asu.edu (scott austin)
Subject: Re: Fling Thing
Originator: austin@hydro.la.asu.edu
Reply-To: austin@hydro.la.asu.edu
Organization: Arizona State University Dept. Physics & Astronomy
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:44:38 GMT


Janet M. Swisher to understand why they had the background music  for the flung piano rent "2001 a Space Odyssey" sometime.
  
 
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Department of Physics and Astronomy        AGSJA@ASUACVAX.BITNET
Arizona State University
From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Death to Chris
Date: 16 Sep 92 04:02:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Damn, Damn, Damn!

This Chris Bashing is starting to get to me.  Personally, I like the character, yes sometimes, it's too much, but more often than not, Chris's Character is used to underscore some of the plot elements.  As for all his mouthing off, at leastthe character does not go on and on about the same, thing, but introduces different ideas from literature, philosophy, sociology, religion, etc., injecting all of these with his own personal brand of twistedness.  Besides, I think that the character adds an element to th




e show that you rarely find outside of PBS programmes.  Chris encourages people to read, to seek new avenues of knowledge, and I think that this is one of the endearing qualities of the character and of the show.  I mean where else on television do you get discussions about the freewill-determinism opposition or about the intricacies of Quantum Mechanics?  Besides, would you rather have your typical big-city morning man (a la Howard Stern) in Cicely or Chris in the Morning

Chris In Montreal
tsirbac@brise.ere.umontreal.ca
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From: franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
	<MTUCKER.92Sep9101401@greyrock.greyrock.mso.colostate.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:24:36 GMT

mtucker@greyrock.mso.colostate.edu (Michael R. Tucker) writes:

> I *hated* that!  It was a terrible cop-out!

> I don't really know why......I guess I expected more from the writers.
> Now, the show will never be the same.

Keep in mind that was a second-season episode.  By your logic, the
whole third season was "never ... the same".
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From: dyer@gamma.is.tcu.edu (Daryl Dyer)
Subject: Best Character
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas Christian University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:23:00 GMT

To start with I think all the characters are great and like the way they
all work together. But as far as a favorite it's got to be Cris. And the
best show the Fling gets my vote.

Daryl Dyer
dyer@gamma.is.tcu.edu
From: wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:10:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Dearly Beloved in Cicely,

Let me tell you that it is Maggie who owns my heart on the show. (I do
have one philistine friend who does nothing but talk about Ed and
Joel, but that's his deal.) The most interesting characters, IMHO, are
Maurice and Hollings. I do dislike at least one character, Chris. His
existential style of radio announcing bugs the bee-jesus out of me. I
go to college; I see that kind of person in Athens every day. You
think that Cicely, Alaska wouldn't be bothered by someone so...common.
:) 

Your brother in CBS,
Scott Wells
wells@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: lmmst24+@pitt.edu (Lisa M Maslak)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Oddz n' ens
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:57:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>In article <BuLFE1.Gv@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>It must just be me.  Has no one suggested the NORTHERN EXPOSURE - TWIN
>>PEAKS connection?


As I recall, when Northern Exposure first came on the air, the ads
billed it as an alternative for the fans of Twin Peaks.  They emphasized
the backwards, small-town, woodsieness, as well as the strange
characters, hidden meanings, and general wierdness of the show as
a way to appeal to Twin Peaks fans.

While I wouldn't say I was a *fan* of Twin Peaks (more like a follower),
the ads worked for me- I've been watching since day 1.

-Lisa.
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 8 Sep 1992 11:02:41 MST
From: <IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Distribution: usa
 <1992Sep7.013945.21783@news.vanderbilt.edu>

I must add another Pro-Chris voice to the N. Exp. ensemble. And I actually know
 what he's talking about, which worries me somewhat. Maybe it's just the earrin
g and the stubble that appeal to me, and I'm fooling myself to believe it's his
 mind I find so appealing, eh?
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Cast members
Date: 9 Sep 92 03:35:23 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <FRANL.92Sep8204623@draco.centerline.com>, franl@centerline.com 
(Fran Litterio) writes:

> Don't forget Adam, played by Adam Arkin (I think).  Is he any relation
> to Alan Arkin?  They kind of look alike.  
Yep, it's his son.  And it was so strange to see him on a talk show without
the stubble and the long hair...

> And where else have I seen him?  He looks familliar.  
He does alot of off-Broadway work.

> Anyway, what a fantastic character!  Adam (the character) is unlike anything 
> I've ever seen before.  I love how his entrances are sometimes just shots of 
> his dirty bare feet stepping into the frame.  
I agree...he is a great character.  The whole "sypathetic-pregnancy" episode
was fantastic!

> One of the last shows of last season implied he worked for some intelligence 
> agency.  Can we believe this, or is it another Adam super-lie?
I could tell you...but then I'd have to kill you.  :^)

Greg Bole                               "Are you coming?  Yeah, well see the 
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu             train moves, not the platform."
                                       John Lovitz in _A Leauge of Their Own_
From: hermit@cats.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:25:51
Organization: Computing and Telecommunications Services, UCSC
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu
In-reply-to: wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu's message of Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:45:00 GMT

In article <7SEP199211453385@zeus.tamu.edu> wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT) writes:

   It would be a mistake if Joel and Maggie ever did sleep together.  I think
   their love/hate relationship is what makes the show work.

I definitely agree.  Look what happened to "Get Smart" when Max and 99
got married.. the whole show just lost a lot of appeal...
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From: jwilson@ravel.udel.edu (James Wilson)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:28:49 GMT

In article <7SEP199209132650@bestsd.sdsu.edu> bestr1070@bestsd.sdsu.edu (Alena) writes:
>
>>Personally I felt that the episode was an interesting statement on the
>>male understanding (or lack thereof) of the female.  If we get agressive
>>(Maggie wanted Joel to "have her" while she was asleep) then we are
>>uncontrolled animals who only think with our genitals.  If we are passive
>>we get accused of being gay, uninterested, or boring.  In this case
>>Joel respected Maggie and she threw a fit over it.  Don't get me wrong, I
>>enjoyed the humor of the episode.  I just think it was at the expense of a
>>serious women's issue - date rape.
>> 
>> 
>>Gordon
**
Gordon and Alena have good points here, but to me the need to understand
each other is also on another level.  My guess is that if you asked
Maggie about the morality of the situation in a situation completely
apart from this episode, she would of course oppose being taken
advantage of and anyone who would even pose the question.  By this
theory, she answered the way that she did because she was fighting
and the other answer would have lost the fight outright; her emotions
were stronger than her logic at the time, and winning is important to
her.   

Another theory is that Maggie has such deep conflicts about her
relationship with Joel and relationships in general that even though
such an action is wrong in general, she thinks it could be right for
her, as external aid in resolving those conflicts.  This is hogwash,
and she resents and admires Joel for seeing through it.

Because of these interpretations, I did not see the episode as a
light treatment of date rape at all, but instead as one of the more
thoughtful ones offered by television.     --Jim
 
-- 

Jim Wilson                             jwilson@brahms.udel.edu
Instructional Technology Center	       (302) 831-1291
University of Delaware                 Newark, Delaware   19716
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From: alix@indetech.com (Alexandria North)
Subject: Re: Where are the children??
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:24:06 GMT

In article <18oo5kINNelt@cs.utexas.edu> russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams) writes:
>Sure I noticed long ago there aren't kids on NE, and I was perfectly
>happy about it.  It's refreshing.

Yes, I agree. I like watching an hour of adults working out issues 
without children running between their legs. There are plenty of shows 
featuring children...if people feel more and better shows are needed, 
then I think the networks should pursue these separate from NE.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Babies, babies, babies. Why did God make so many babies?
 But no, God didn't make them. Stupid people made them."
      -- Margaret Mitchell, Gone With The Wind
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From: stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens)
Subject: Re: Where are the children??
Organization: ingr
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:35:25 GMT

Troy Brooks writes:

>No kids on Northern Exposure!

Spoken by a true believer!

I think Joel will eventually find out that everyone in town is a member of
some religious cult (probably started by Rosalyn and Cicely) that does not 
allow procreation.  Especially when Adam and Eve are forced to give up their
infant to remain Cicelian!!!!

Todd Stevens
stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com

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From: richardg@ssd.intel.com (Richard Griffiths)
Subject: Re: It on during football
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Divison, Intel Corp.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:42:27 GMT

In article <SHABBY.92Sep8152236@hodge.mit.edu>, shabby@Athena.MIT.EDU (Chris Shabsin) writes:
|> In article <14489@auspex-gw.auspex.com> tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
|> 
|>    Path: bloom-picayune.mit.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!tamsun.tamu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!auspex-gw!news
|>    From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
|>    Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
|>    Date: 8 Sep 92 17:29:15 GMT
|>    References: <Bu8B78.CL@rice.edu>
|>    Sender: news@auspex-gw.auspex.com
|>    Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
|>    Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering
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|> 
|>    In article <Bu8B78.CL@rice.edu>, kossack@owlnet.rice.edu (Jordan Marc 
|>    Kossack) writes:
|>    > 	That's Texan, not Kreton.    :-) 
|> 
|>    That's creton not Kreton.
|> 
|> 
|>    Tom Pickett 
|>    tpickett@auspex.com
|>    SHO  GOZE
|> 
|> 
|> That's cretin, not creton.
|> 
That's cretine, not cretin.  Oops! sorry.  Thought this was alt.fan.dan-quayle.
From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: "Dinosaurs" Season Premiere
Date: 12 Sep 1992 20:53:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu



The third season of "Dinosaurs" will premiere on the ABC network
this Friday, September 18, 1992 at 9:00pm Eastern Time (check
local listings for your time zone). Judging from the promo for
the show, Baby will be getting toilet trained by Earl, but it
seems more like Earl is being potty trained by Baby Sinclair.

-- 
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From: x1hz@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Andrew J. Harold)
Subject: sound files
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:32:56 GMT

Hello everybody, (first post and stuff)
I scribbled down the name of an ftp site in Australia that has 
some .wav files from our favourite T.V. show but have since
lost that address.  Can somebody tell me the name of the site? 
("AGAIN AGAIN")

Thanks 
    Andrew Harold.

I don't have a fancy signature but am working on it.
From: bturner@hpcvusc (Bill Turner)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs Program Guide Update
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:26:44 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Please swap the descriptions of episodes #2 ("The Mating Dance") and #14
("Unmarried, With Children").  Otherwise, very nice!

["Oh, man, I got peanut butter on my chocolate.  I can't eat this!" --
coming up this Friday.]

--Bill Turner (bturner@cv.hp.com)
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From: ins295b@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Humphrey)
Subject: Re: sound files
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:12:13 GMT

x1hz@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Andrew J. Harold) writes:

>Hello everybody, (first post and stuff)
>I scribbled down the name of an ftp site in Australia that has 
>some .wav files from our favourite T.V. show but have since
>lost that address.  Can somebody tell me the name of the site? 
>("AGAIN AGAIN")
	Yep, sure. The site is yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au BUT the sounds will
exist there for approximately one more week, we've had about 600M of
downloading coming from the dinosaurs directory in the couple of weeks
that it's been there.  This is bad from the point of view of the people
who own the machine I am running this on, besides we have run out of
disk space (anyone want to donate a hard drive to the cause?)

Andrew Humphrey.
humpy@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
ftp@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
From: kako@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Ed Kako)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: MUPPETZine
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:06:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


  MUPPETZine, a fanzine for fans of the Muppets and Jim Henson, is now
available.  The zine covers all Henson shows and movies, including The
Muppet Show, Fraggle Rock and Dinosaurs.  It contains news, opinions,
episode guides and other stuff.  The first issue is free-- just send your
address (Snail-mail, not e-mail) to Danny Horn at 72630.2263@compuserve.com
or at 4708 Springfield Avenue, Philadelphia PA, 19143-3515.  Please send
requests only to Danny at those addresses and not to the list or to the
sender of this message, because he won't get them.  Thanks!
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From: pcrossma@cs.ulowell.edu (The Gillrocker)
Subject: Friday's episode....
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:44:56 GMT

Is this friday's episode a repeat????  I am finally going to see a concert
that was canceled in July, I just don'w want to miss a new episode of the
greatest show in the galaxy....


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From: cn0p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Charles D. Nichols)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
Subject: Dinosaurs on Simpsons
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:34:45 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

The opening scene of the Simpsons last night was the family sitting on
the couch watching dinosaurs on TV.  Bart said something like "Wow, its
like they took our lives and put them on TV"  Homer said "and look, they
even have a baby"  at which point they showed a pink baby dinosaur
hitting another green one on the head with a frying pan :)

CDN