HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout)
Subject: Re: Mother of all battles (was Re: Re:)
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:26:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.075715.11903@njitgw.njit.edu>, elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
> 
> Hmmmm. Killing in the name of Allah sounds oxymoronic....
>

Well I only used Mr. Faris' words. Were I to talk about it I would not have
said killing but I would have said making Jihad in the way of Allah (for war)
and punishment (or Had in arabic, for some sins).
 
> 
> I think it was more economic. The Arab/Islamic invaders did not know how to 
> farm the land. Good fighters but poor agriculturists :-)
> (At least according to a talk given at Columbia University)
> 

Well, what about the jews in spain. The Muslims openend spain way after they
had established their civilization. IN fact at that time they were technologically
more advanced than the spanish. History shows that Europe used to take from
Muslims in spain (in matters of knowledge). In that same area and environment,
Jewish scholars describe the time that jews were there as the golden time of 
Jews. 

> I am not sure about that human rights issue. Seems to me that human rights 
> in the middle east is another oxymoron.
>

Well, maybe now Human Rights in the middle East is an oxymoron, but when you see
an example of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) returning to the town that
expelled him and fought him (some of the inhabitants had killed his most beloved
uncle and mutilated his body). When he returned and had their destinies in his hands
he told them "Go you are the free ones". To me that's the highest form of respecting
humans no matter if they are Muslims or not.
 
> 
> Ok so is this what Moslems are after ? Some kind of a religious based
> world war ? (The mother of all battles :-)) 

Muslims are told by Allah in the Quran that they should strive to establish Allah's
way on this earth. This earth is for Allah and Allah has created it. He is the only 
one capable of giving us laws that would make harmony among us as well as between us
(humans) and the universe. 
The mother of all battles is a term used by Saddam Hussein who does not represnet
Muslims. Saddam rather represents himself, he only attached the Islamic terms to
himself to win support from the Muslims and this did him no good, he was defeated.
Saddam still has on his hands the blood of many Muslims (Iraqis, Kurds, Shiites etc...)
In fact, Kuwaiti's that returned from the prisons told many that they saw leaders
of the Iraqi Islamic movements in Iraqi prisons.

> Strange, I wonder why my Moslem friends don't think like you ? Hmmm.
> I guess they must have been hanging around Christians for too long :-) (The 
> Prophet warned about that!)
> Oh wait, you are talking hypothetically, I am sorry, I misread you :-)
>

O.K. then I won't reply. 

rached
From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: M.G Speaker for Iraqi Opposition on USENET
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:01:19 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

>From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G")

"M.G" The speaker of the Iraqi opposition on USENET says:

>and it is known that most of the christian in the
>Middle East DO NOT CARE LESS about the Country they live in. The majority
>of the christian in Iraq and Syria consider France is their mother Country
>and the Moslems had enough RUBBISH of ARABISIM and NATTIONALISIM.
>M.G
>Cardiff, Wales, U.K.
	
	I say:
	
	I used to think Saddam was a brute until I heard the above
	statement from the Bigot "M.G" who claims to be an Iraqi
	opposition.

	If this is what your opposition all about then you got Saddam
	and you deserve him well.

A Jaber, England, U.K.
From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Corruption in Lebanon
Date: 15 Aug 92 11:47:24 GMT
Organization: Univerity of Oslo, Semitics dep.

In article <1992Aug14.152602.19981@zip.eecs.umich.edu> ayman@eecs.umich.edu
(Ayman I. Kayssi) writes:


I will sum up Ayman's asnwer: how can we do it? is it possible when we are
starving and the system is based on corruption?

let me try to explain what I had in mind:

If we had an organization, let the consumer protection agancies in all modern
countries, that would take up such issues. Let me take pour phone situation as
an example:

This consumer protection agency (not governmental since our government is the
most corrupt of all) goes and checks the lines that connect us to the phone
system. THey make a report based on the laws that regulate the
telecomunications system. If they find out that the employees are responsible
for the breaks, then this same organization would sue the employees
responsible.

Further, if it is so that the emplyees are not responsible, but that they lack
materials, then they make a report on why hese materials are not available. If
it is so that the country can not afford the materials, then I have got my
answer. Ye if some high lebel employee is pocketing the money that is aloocated
to these repairs then the organisation sue the ones responsible.

we can continue til the president, prime minister and speaker of parliament!

Ayman asks can we do something without bribe?

maybe very little, especially if we continue with the moto:

apres moi le deluge, or ba@d kdiis^e maa yinbot Has^iis^!

so if we decide that when I want to renew my passport, I go through the
rocedures asa they are set put by the law. If these laws are impractical, then
this organization would suggest amendments to the laws. If it is so that we are
retared in order that some employee recieve some bribe, then the organization
will sue etc.

The point is that if we actually want to build a new Lebanon, we should start
with our selves, and start cooperating.

I am idealistic, I know, but I still have my feet on he ground. Therefore I
say, if we join our hands we can achieve a lot. If we do not join our hands let
us stop complaining about corruption.

Was it not Marc who once told us the we should first start fighting the
corruption that is within us?

>--
>Ayman I. Kayssi


elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: (Top Ten songs ...) Was : Re: Fairouz (was: Meaning of Almitra)
Organization: Univerity of Oslo, Semitics dep.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:11:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.040145.5867@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU>
ghassoun@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (George Hassoun) writes:

ome of her songs are:
>
>"Ya Beirut"
>"@am Beh'lamak Ya H'elm Ya Lebnan"
>"Raje@ Raje@ Yet@ammar Raje@ Lebnan" (music my Zaki Nassif)

does anyone have the words to these songs? or a cassett?


I saw Zaki and Majida perform Raaji@ yit@ammar Libneen on TV once! It was realu
beautiful, I love Zaki Nasif's smile!

He explained in one program I saw how thw @ala dal@uuna of the Mountains is
faster and more "jumpy" than the ones of the coats or the plain due to the
geography ofthe area.

@ala dal@uwna @ala dal@uwna
raaHo l-Habaayib ma wadda@uwna!

>
>Regards, George
>

elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout)
Subject: Re: Postcard from Nahribrahim on liasun3.epfl.ch (GIF)
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:02:26 GMT

Hi

I tried logging in as "anonymous" or "guest", the system refused me, Is there
something special ? or am I missing something ?

rached

In article <1992Aug12.094020.13375@dhhalden.no>, borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) writes:
> A new anonymous ftp GIF posting
> 
> The following files have been added to users/choueiry on liasun3.epfl.ch
> 
> -rw-r--r--  1 choueiry dilia         442 Aug 10 14:36 Nahribrahim.msg
> -rw-r--r--  1 choueiry dilia      353054 Aug 10 14:13 NahribrahimFront.gif
> -rw-r--r--  1 choueiry dilia      486469 Aug 10 18:20 NahribrahimFront.uu
> -rw-r--r--  1 choueiry dilia       35602 Aug 10 14:20 NahribrahimRev.gif
> -rw-r--r--  1 choueiry dilia       49091 Aug 10 18:20 NahribrahimRev.uu
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> This area of the liasun3.epfl.ch anonymous ftp server contains several
> README files. Guests are strongly requested to read ALL README files
> before retrieving anything else. At present the files are:
> 
> 	README.msg ; general information
> 	README.etq ; pointers for guests
> 	README.ftp ; pointers on hassel-free file transfer
> 	README.gif ; pointers on displaying graphics
> 	README.snd ; pointers on playing soundbytes
> 	README.uu  ; pointers on ASCII encoded files
> 
> Disclaimer: The owners of this anonymous ftp files server take no
> responsibility for the contents of files residing on this machine or the
> consequences of their use.
> 
> Purpose: The maintenance of the /users/choueiry directory of the
> liasun3.epfl.ch server is entirely a voluntary and experimental effort.
> It has been established as a repository of cultural material in the form
> of text, graphics and sounds pertaining to Lebanon and the Middle East
> and has no political, religious, sectarian or ethnic affiliations.
> 
> Support: Apart from these README files, NO support on the use of this
> ftp server is given by anyone at epfl. Please do not direct mail in
> search of user support to epfl staff. If you need help from a human, a
> good point to start would be with your own system operator, your
> internet node operator. Help is also freely available in Usenet FAQs.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: How is the weather? (was: Re: Chritians, Muslems, and M.G)
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:00:16 GMT
Organization: Univerity of Oslo, Semitics dep.

In article <1992Aug17.191655.19368@zip.eecs.umich.edu> ayman@eecs.umich.edu
(Ayman I. Kayssi) writes:
>Diego A. Maradona (fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu) wrote:
>: [BS]
>
>Please, don't start the "my religion is better than yours" war again. It will
>only show how unreasonable and ignorant one can get.
>
>--
>Ayman I. Kayssi                               |    ayman@eecs.umich.edu
>EECS Department                               +------------------------
>University of Michigan                        |          (313) 764-8033
>


Ayman how is the weather to you?

Here in Oslo it is not sure what it wants. Some rain and some sun. But the fall
semester is surely on its way!


elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: ARABIISIM AND ISLAM
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:11:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.171006.13431@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
>In article <12596.9208171525@thor.cf.ac.uk> scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk (M.G) writes:
>>From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
>>Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
>>Subject: Glories of our nations
>>Message-ID: <3814@keele.keele.ac.uk>
>>Date: 17 Aug 92 11:54:12 GMT
>>Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
>>Organization: University of Keele, England
>>Lines: 88
>>
>>A.Jaber writes:
>>	
>>       >Yes there was past glories for our old nations in the Mideat
>>       >and one of them was under Islamic rule. This does not mean that
>>	>Islam have the solution. It is the people who carry Islam or any
>>	>other religion who make the difference.
>>
>>
>>A Jaber
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>We will never return back to our GLORIES and NEVER BE A POWERFUL NATION
>>AS LONG AS there are scums like you who beleive in ARABISIM and beleive 
>>that a butcher like Saddam or a scum like Aflag is their GOD.
>>The reason for all the POVERTY AND SUFFERINGS IN OUR COUNTRIES 
>>is because the people who rule us are not TRUE MOSLEMS in fact 
>>most of them are christians or jews claim to be christians.
>>Tariq Aziz who is practically rules Iraq is a good example
>>and many more who use ARABISIM and NATIONALISIM to destroy our 
>>Country and  our values.
>>
>>I remember the SCUM Tariq Aziz issue a decree that it is illegal 
>>to wear HIJAB at the school and the Universities and I know many
>>sisters in their final year left the University because of this decree.
>>
>>
>>
>>M.G.
>>Cardiff, Wales, U.K.
>>
>
>I am starting to miss my friend el-GHani and what was his name from England?
>
>
>elie wardini


I guess El-ghani's language will sound very polite infront of these posts.
-- 
Nabil Idriss                           |       FOR EVERY ACTION AN OPPOSITE  
NCR - Midrange Products Division       |       AND EQUAL REACTION.
      Columbia, South Carolina         |      
email: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: mmokhtar@attmail.com (Mazen Mokhtar)
Subject: Re: Chritians, Muslems, and M.G
Originator: mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:56:12 GMT

In article <2A8FF7D1.22681@ics.uci.edu> sunjin@orion.ca writes:

>To further illustrate, I think what Mr. Faris meant was that prophet Muhammad's
>father was called Abdullah.  According to the history you claim and pretend
>to be familiar with, the only people who lived in that area were Christians.

  Actually, there were almost no Christians. They were mostly pagans and
some Jews. In Mecca, they were all either pagan or hanif. The pagans followed
a distorted form of Abraham's (PBUH) religion, after adding idols and other
corruptions. The hanifs were those who were among the pagans but did not
worship the idols, they worshipped God, but they were not Christians or
Jews. They did not follow a specific religion. Among them was Abou Bakr
for example.

>Abdullah is a Christian name, then taken to be a muslim one.

  Abdullah is an Arab name. You are talking as if the religion of the family
of Mohammad (PBUH) is not known. Abdullah was not a Christian and neither was
his father (who named him.)

>  This argument
>lead to the 100% fact that prophet Muhammad's father was a Christian.

  It is abundantly clear that this is not true.

>According to the history you claim and pretend be familiar with, who tought
>prophet Muhammed.  Wasn't it a priest?

  No.

>  Wasn't he called RAHEB BUHAIRA. WASN'T HE A CHRISTIAN.

  He was a Christian, but Mohammad only met him once briefly. The story
is quite famous and I can post it if you wish.

>  Come on, get real cut the bullshitts and wake up from
>the sleep they put you in.  Is the word RAHEB mean a Muslim?  (I am assuming
>you know Arabic, all words in Arabic and not just those they teach and want
>you to know.)

  The word raheb indicated that Buhaira was a Christian, but not that he taught
Mohammad (PBUH) anything.

>Are you being serious, man?  Wasn't HADD EL-SEIF used to open all lands by
>Islam.

  Was Hadd ElSaif used for conversion or was it used for war? Did the
non-Muslims in Muslim countries all become Muslim? Better yet, did Egyptians
(for example) support the Muslims or the Romans when Muslims first entered
Egypt?

  The rest of the article really doesn't deserve consideration.


Regards,

Mazen Mokhtar
From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re:Np place for Bigots and Bigotry on Arab Land.!!!!
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:24:24 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
In article <3827@keele.keele.ac.uk> phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber) writes:

etc. etc.

>	Those who are opposed to Arabic do it from the Option of hate
>>	and only hate for Arabic and the Arabs. All this anti-Arabist
>>	voices are coming from people who do not belong to the Arabic
>>	culture and way of life. If they like to opt out of our life we
>>	have no objection. They can go away and form their religion.
>
>are all that are opposed to Arabisation anti-Arabists? or Arab-haters?
>where should they go?

	The only place for Bigots and Bigotry is the dustbin of the
	history.

>>	The haters of Arabism are bigoted people because they are
>>	opposed to the idea of giving equality to non-Muslim Arabs i.e
>>	Arab Christians. We the Muslim Arabs are determined to have
>>	Equality with our fellow Arab Christians what ever the porice
>>	is.
>
>even if the cost is to do away with some Islamic principles?

	Equality is in the heart of Islamic teachings.

>do you strive for equality with non-Arab Muslims?

	Why do you have to spread fear among the non-Muslim Arabs.
	Do you think you can thrive on fear. Do you want to follow
	the saying of the Bigot Henry Kissinger who said " You cannot
	believe an Arab". Do you want to follow the words of the Bigot
	the Persian Fuad Ajami who was born in Lebanon by saying Arabs 
	cannot have democracy. Spreading fear is not going to win.

>do you strive for equality with non-Arab-non-Muslims?

	Any law abiding Citezen must be respected.

>>	We the Muslim Arabs are not going to be like the Serbs or
>>	the Spanish or the Germans.
>>
>>	People like this Bigot MG at Cardiff is spreading hate against 
>>	Arabs and Sunni Muslims and then attacks Arab Christians, I
>>	tell you this Guy and his likes has no place among us period.
>
>Where is Arab land? tell me which land is Arab? how you can tell the difference
>between Arab land and non-Arab land?

	Arab land is where most of the people living are Arabs. 
	I will try to make a modification for you, to say the the
	mideast is an Arab land Except where under the feet of Elie
	Wardini it is a Phenician land.
>
>elie wardini

A Jaber
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: CLAO Aug. 14 1992
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:14:16 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


CLAO Aug. 14 1992
-----------------

The leader of the National Liberal Party, Mr. Dory Chamoun, has left
to France to meet with General Michel Aoun.

Based on information received from two Lebanese candidates in the 
Syrian-controled parliamentary elections, the Assad regime is 
requesting from the candidates to agree to a document that would 
permit the Syrian army to prolong its presence in Lebanon for six more years.

Fares Boueiz, the foreign minister of the Hrawi regime refused again 
in a new statement to set the date for the withdrawal of the Syrian 
forces from Beirut and the suburbs. He noted that the Hrawi regime
and Syria will reach an understanding about this issue.

Israel prime minister Yitzhak Rabin said in a speech to the national
press club (aug. 12) that negotiations with Lebanon are more complicated on 
one hand and simpler on the other hand.
He said that with Lebanon, Israel has no territorial problems. There was and
there is an international boundary that divides between Lebanon and
Israel. Israel accepts it.
....
Mr. Rabin added that all Israel wants is peace based on the international
boundaries with a government that will be an independent government of Lebanon
that will exercise its sovereignty over its territory.
From: jcc@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Request for Lebanese culture info.
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:22:46 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Greetings, netters. I am new to this newsgroup so apologies if this is a FAQ.
I am doing a graduate paper in Intercultural Communication. As part of the
course, I have to write a paper on a culture of my choice, and describe the
culture, and how to improve cross-cultural communication with that culture.
I have chosen the Lebanese culture because I want to find out more about
my family background etc. If anyone has any information about how the Lebanese
culture communicates, please mail anything to me.

Peace.

John Corban
jcc@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: UNION BETWEEN IRAQ AND SYRIA
Organization: Univerity of Oslo, Semitics dep.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:17:31 GMT

In article <16194.9208141006@thor.cf.ac.uk> scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G") writes:
>From: basu@remus.rutgers.edu (sid-darth vader)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
>Subject: If Saddam were smart and patriotic
>Message-ID: <Aug.13.16.52.18.1992.16843@remus.rutgers.edu>
>Date: 13 Aug 92 20:52:18 GMT
>Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
>Lines: 22
>
>Sid-Darth Vader writes:
>
>	If Saddam were truly smart and considered
>himself an Arab first he would resign in favor of
>Iraq merging into Syria. Both Iraq and Syria are
>run by the Baath Party which have similar philosophies
>differing only because of the personal rivalry between
>Saddam and Assad. If Saddam steps aside the Baath Party
>apparatus will be able to provide a workable political
>order. As it is war-damaged Baghdad will consume millions
>for reconstruction. Might as well stick with Damascus as
>the capital of a new U.A.R.
>	Think of the this new Arab super-state stretching
>from the Persian Gulf to the Medit, with oil, industries,
>commerce. Lebanon is already part of Assad's domain.
>This way he will have a 2 million man army on Israel's
>frontline. 
>	By making way for the union, Saddam will have
>reversed the political succeses of the coalition that
>defeated him. Syria, as a member of that coalition is
>exempt from any international sanctions. The world would
>welcome the departure of Saddam Hussein.
>	Just think about it!



Reminds of a very famous book:

  Mein Kampf

written by a model for both Assad and Saddam




elie wardini
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Kataeb party to boycott elections even after Syrian assurances.
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:09:11 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


        BEIRUT (UPI) -- The mainstream Christian Phalange party is to boycott
the country's first parliamentary elections in 20 years, and will try to
postpone the polls due this summer, its president, George Saadeh, said
Friday.
....
        Last week, opposition groups, led by the hard-line Lebanese Forces
militia of Samir Geagea and followers of ousted army commander Gen.
Michel Aoun, decided to boycott the elections until Syria withdraw its
troops from Beirut as provided for in the Lebanese peace accord that
ended 16 years of civil war.
....
        Saadeh told Khaddam that Christians feared the poll results would be
biased in favor of pro-Syrian candidates and that the new Parliament
would seek unification with Syria, according to the An Nahar report.
        Khaddam emphasized that Syria ``has no ambitions whatsoever in
Lebanon and is rather seeking to prove that honest and free elections
can take place with Syrian presence.''
.....
        The controversy over the elections has led to a further deterioration
in the country's already collapsing economy, with one U.S. dollar
reaching 2,750 Lebanese pounds early this week.
.....