From: ames!ACAD.FANDM.EDU!J_FARRELL
Subject: Re: A Mixture of Responses
Reply-To: ames!ACAD.FANDM.EDU!J_FARRELL
Organization: Sci.physics.fusion/Mail Gateway
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:00:33 GMT

> 
>Dieter Britz <BRITZ@kemi.aau.dk> writes:
>> Bush RT;                                      Fusion Technol. 22 (1992) 301.
>> There is experimental proof. Using a Ni cathode, a Pt anode and 0.57M K2CO3
>>as electrolyte, and a plate of a "Ni alloy", excess heat was found, in
>>contrast with M&F, whose theory demands light water and a sodium salt
> 
>Farrell's posted procedure on this very forum suggested K2CO3.  I remember
>vividly because I bought and own 10 pounds of the stuff.
> 
>- John Logajan MS010, Network Systems; 7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
>- logajan@network.com, 612-424-4888, Fax 612-424-2853
>--------------------
 
John Logajan is correct.  Mills and I have said from the very beginning:

2.  K+ does work.  Use an electrolyte of 0.6 M K2CO3. Ni cathode/Pt anode.

2.  Na+ does not work.  The best control cell uses an electrolyte of 0.6 M
Na2CO3.

3.  Pd+2/Li+ does work (you have to wait awhile if you use Pd/Li+ until the
Pd oxidizes.

4.  Rb+ does work.  Ti+2 does work.  Many other systems will work; I will
not list them.

5.  The heat is not from fusion.  Use light water.

6.  Small amounts of tritium and ever smaller amounts of neutrons will be
released if D2O is used.  This will account for about 1 X 10^-12 of the
xheat. The branching ratio is not 1 for this type of fusion.

You may or may not believe any of the above, but we stick by these
statements.

More recent results from HPC (HydroCatalysis Power Company).

1.  For several months now the HPC and several other labs have had cells
running where the input (VxI; **no** subtraction for H2 and O2 production)
is about 20 watts and the output is about 75 watts.  One of these labs is a
heat transfer company. It is all they do--heat transfer.

2.  HPC also has a test cell where the input is 10 watts (VxI) and the
output is 100 watts.  Obviously, they are successfully maximizing the
parameters.

3.  HPC had the electrolyte from some cells that have been producing x heat
for more than 1 year tested for calcium.  No calcium above background.  I
spoke with Bush many months ago and warned him to be careful with the Ca
analysis.  I recommended that he use the method of standard addition. CaCO3
is quite insoluble and would begin to precipitate almost immediately.  HPC
cells that have been running for a year or more have no CaCO3 precipitate,
and, as I said above, no Ca+2(aq) in solution (above background).

4. Recombination is not a factor: (a) recombination of all of the hydrogen
and oxygen would only account for a small fraction of the heat observed;
(b) you can see copious amonts of gases evolved (anaylsis for CO2 is
negative); (c) the effluent gases have been analyzed and quantifies; (d)
you are welcome to light a match near the effluent (let me get out of the
room first!).

Other comments.

1.  You can use Ni sheet (Alpha) or Ni fiber mat or Ni from NBS, but the
best that we have found so far is Ni wire from Alpha (#10253, 0.38 mm
diameter, 99.8%; $31.00 for 100 g; 100 g = 100 m).

2.  Chuck Harrison gave a diagram for his Mills/Notoya replication.  The
K2CO3 with Pt/Pt should **not** be used as a control.  The crutial species
here is not the Ni but the K+ (it just works better if the cathode is Ni
rather than Pt).  The control ought to be Na2CO3 with a Pt anode and a Ni
cathode.  Actually, Pt is expensive for a large cell and HPC uses Pt coated
titanium anodes.  I'm not sure what function his Control Cell A plays, but
it will produce some excess heat.

Important.  Any **experimentor** can call HPC for more information.  Call
(717)291-6673.  Ask for Bill Good or Randy Mills.

 
      
 





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