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From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Social Development Unit (Re : was Sins of Singapore)
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:16:34 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <199207270812.AA06624@admin.keh.utulsa.edu>, sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli) writes:

>   This still doesn't explain why such percentages are confidential. I was
>   merely expressing my surprise in the manner in which the scheme is handled.
>   I have read numerous advertisements by all sorts of major credit card
>   firms announcing to the public that they would donate such a percentage of
>   spendings to such a cause if you'd just apply for their credit cards.

I don't think the charges are confidential.  It's just that there are so
many cost factors involved that it is difficult to come up with a single
figure.  I did some costing for the bank some time back, and the issues
were almost unmanageable.

I guess everybody is trying to capture a large market share of cardholders
(the merchant's market does not seem to attact that much attention).  UOB
for instance wanted to be the largest card issuer within 6 months (I think) 
of their Visa Card launch.  DBS was more conservative:  they only wanted
a certain target number.  At the same time, Chase (who bought over the
franchise from ailing Bank of America) was fighting to retain their
market share.  Stanchart and HKB has to fight off the attacks, with Maybank
was struggling.  The market was so competitive that BNP did not want to
focus on the general market but concentrated only on their own customers.

Incidentally, the larger the card issuer, the more valuable will be its
mailing list to potential mail order houses.  Which other source can you
find a mailing list complete with demographic data.

Regards.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay)
Subject: Re: Social Development Unit (Re : was Sins of Singapore)
Organization: CSA Research, Singapore
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 01:42:11 GMT

u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:

>I used to believe that there was no correlation between wealth and a good 
>education. Now I am not so sure. The best schools in Singapore have gone 
>independent and fees cost as much between $150-$200. and will probably 
>increase again. The schools say that the poor would not be disadvantaged - 
>that scholarships would be given to the deserving BUT how many would get
>such scholarships or financial assistance - 5% of the school population? 
>10%? - IMHO, if education policy remains as it is, most of the students in 
>Singapore's best schools would be from well-off families. They would then 
>enter into schools where they rub shoulders with scions of other well-off 
>families and establish contacts which would serve them well in later life.

Back in 1972 when I entered RI, if my dad had to fork out $200 as fees,
we would have been big financial straits.  I used myself as an example when
the ORA (Old Rafflesians Association) had a survey amongst its members back 
when the suggestion to turn RI private was made.

I raised the concern that without financial help, I could not have attended
RI.  The ORA (one of the partners in helping to run RI today), did take this 
into consideration as it was a major concern amongst the alumni.  They have 
in place scholarship schemes, affliation card schemes (through Standard 
Chartered Bank you can get a VISA card that gives some money to ORA for the 
scholarship fund - if you want more info, e-mail me) etc.

I do not know of the percentage of students having assistance extended to
them.  The current principal, Eugene Wijeysingha has said that this is done
on a very discreet basis as some people might not take such "hand-outs"
easily.  I feel that one should not be ashamed to be receiving such help.  
Last year, the kid who topped the PSLE was granted admission to RI. His 
family, however, was not able to support him.  His plight came to the 
attention of Mendaki (the boy happens to be a Malay), and Mendaki arranged 
for funds for him.  RI, I believe, also made provisions for him.

I have every confidence that nobody is denied a place just because he does 
not have the funds.

[text about SDU deleted]

Enjoy.
--
Harish Pillay |                  |    Internet:   harish%csar@uunet.uu.net
Singapore     | +65-775-0224 (w) |"Psst!  Wanna buy some mint-flavoured gum?"
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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Official opening of RI (Bishan)
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:00:34 GMT

In article <harish.589.0@csar.uucp> harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay) writes:

: 
: As far as I know, RI does not and has never had nor will it ever have ANY 
: form of a quota on who can enrol.  The ONLY criteria is PSLE performance.  
: There are the ocassional cases of people who tranfer in from schools 
: overseas.  This is done on a case by case basis and not to meet any quota.

Why should the Malaysians be placed at the top 1/3 of the class? That was
my original comment. Even when it is hard for a Malaysian to get a place at
a Singaporean primary school. I know because I have a son who tries to go
to a Primary school here.

: 
: >        Do you think it is fair to Singapore Malays and Indians; to 
: >compete with the best in the world?
: 
: Why do you single out Singaporean Malays and Indians?  No, I do not think 
: these two groups have any problems competing. 

The Malays and indians constitute 15 % of Singapore's population. When less
than  1% of them can get into RI, something must be wrong. Something must be
done about it.
	I am not worried about going to an elite school because I do not
come from one. What I feel is the amount of money which is spent on scholarship
for the RI students and the quality of teachers that are at RI.



: 
: Secondary One in RI was a very humbling experience for me.  I was used to 
: topping my class in primary school (so did most of my classmates when they 
: were in their primary schools).  In RI, at the end of Sec 1, I was ranked 
: something like 25 or so out of about 40 in my class - even though I got good 

Imagine that RI is the best in ASEAN with a population of 200 million. If RI
were to take the best in the world, where would you be? The population of the
world is 3000 million. You would be at 25/200*30000=375. You have no chance
of being admitted to RI if RI were to open its door completely to the whole
world.
	My position in class is much higher than yours but I still dare not
compete with the world because success depends not only on academic performance.
Furthermore we must think of the other citizens of a country.
	Why do you think they want to be independent? To govern themselves, and
enjoy the benefits and help of their country. Do you want someone to run
your own house even though we acknowledge that other poeple are much better than
you?


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:34:48 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Women, I am about to launch a free electronic matching service on 
Usenet.  Unfortunately, more guys than gals have expressed an 
interest so far.  If you would like to see the fourth draft of my 
questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's needs as well as 
men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I posted in 
alt.personals.
 
This service is serious and I already have 119 men and 86 women signed
up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected and
programmers are being lined up for the construction of the listserver.
 
I should point out that this questionnaire really, really, really, 
needs some more input on CULTURES.  I need some questions to make sure
that matches are compatible culturally.
 
                                                            Eric Klien
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: PRChina Observer Status rejected by ASEAN, why?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:16:22 GMT

I read that ASEAN has rejected PR China's request to have their status
in ASEAN upgraded from Guest to Observer.... can someone please tell
me why?  Surely, China is the superpower of the region, isn't it a bit
silly to do that... considering all the things happening in South China
Sea.

Any information or comment will be appreciated.

-- 
"We attract anti-Japanese feeling when investment is high and we attract the
same feeling when investment is low,"  he says.  "This seems to be basic to
Australia-Japan relations."
                      -- Masami Sekine, Political Science, Keio University.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: edward@iti.gov.sg (Edward Lim)
Subject: Soccer #23: Semi Pro League: Div 2 Results
Originator: edward@hermes.iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 04:20:43 GMT


My previous post was supposed to be numbered #23.  Sorry about that. 

The evils of "cut-and-paste"!
-- 
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Knowledge Systems Lab			| Bitnet:   edwardlim@itivax
Information Technology Institute	| Tel:      (65) 772-0902
National Computer Board of Singapore    | Fax:      (65) 777-3043
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:26:29 GMT
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd

In <199207222350.AA05653@pe5.pe.utulsa.edu> sya@PE5.PE.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:

>peta@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Peter Whaite) writes:

>>Guess I was wrong.he impression that in Judaism only males were circumsized.

>  A majority of males in the United States are also circumcised.

Well, the point being made is that you can't refer to female circumcision
as coming from Judaism, as we don't practise it.
And, to follow on with that line of reasoning, how many females are
circumcised in the US?

>  It's more a matter of hygiene than religion. In female circumcision,
>  part of the clitoris is removed (not the clitoral hood, as generally
>  believed). I am not sure as to the purpose of female circumcision.

Well, neither am I. In males there is/was a legitimate reason
in that underneath the foreskin needs to be kept clean, and it's 
something that would not necessarily be easy under primitive
conditions. There is no such sheath for women, and thus no purpose
under the guise of hygeine for doing it.

>  To say that it serves to dull the erotic sensations encountered in
>  the erogeneous zones would be illogical since sex drive is more a
>  a result of chemical and mental processes than physical ones.

No, it is not illogical at all. We aren't talking (and you noted
the difference yourself) about sex drive, we are talking about
sensations. Sensations are necessary to fully enjoy sex, by which
I mean, you can think about it all you like, but the actions speak
louder than words. How easy is it to orgasm without physical
stimulation?

>                                                  --Syed Shibli


regards,
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ooi@sol.acs.unt.edu (Reika Kii)
Subject: Re: Best School in Malaysia
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:02:02 GMT


	Best schools in Malaysia?  I heard that a lot of leaked SPM
questions were from the so-called best schools mentioned in previous
posts.  Is that true?  I also heard that students in those top Malay
boarding schools were given the questions in SPM (before they took
SPM) for the current year so that they could do well in SPM.  Is that
true also?  Are they really the "best schools"?  And, of course, I do
believe there're top students in those "best schools".  I'm just 
wondering if what I heard from others is true. 


-Reika-
From: espca@warwick.ac.uk (Kenny Lee )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: OLYMPIC REMINDER
Date: 26 Jul 92 00:27:42 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

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From: SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:37:53 GMT
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nicholso@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Melvin H. Nicholson YBH) writes:

>shahrul@mipos3.UUCP (Shahrul Yazid Yahaya) writes:
>[other attributions previously lost]
>>>
>>>>Incredible isn't it? Especially against the children's will. The 9 year olds
>>>>can already shout at the airports, airplanes etc.
>>>
>>>If he can get out of Australia without passing through customs,
>>>immigration etc. then he would have no trouble keeping them quiet
>>>if he wanted to.
>>>
>>	If he can get out of Australia, then you should question how
>>	can Australian govt let it happened, not Malaysian govt. 
>
>I disagree.  Practical enforcement against this sort of thing is not a
>possibility given the the state of Australia's (or any government on
>this planet's) resources.  This would be like blaming the Kuwaiti
>government for letting the Iraqi army invade.  

  I don't see the parallel here. You hardly need a tank to stop
  an errant Dad and his two children from leaving the country.
  What is the state of Australia's resources? 

-- 
                                              --Syed Shibli
                                                ssr48327@vax1.utulsa.edu
                                                +1 918 631 3257
From: stngiam@athena.mit.edu (Shih-Tung Ngiam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Southeast Asia Publications
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:22:40 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


>                SOUTHEAST ASIA PUBLICATIONS
......
>
>Southeast Asia Publications periodicals cover current events in all areas 
>of Southeast Asia except Indonesia.  Our comprehensive and convenient 
>regional periodical _Southeast Asia Reports_ provides you extensive and 
>timely news, analysis, and commentary not easily available elsewhere.  
>

   Anyone know how good these people are ?  Good as defined by
unromantic, accurate, etctera. In other words, are they worth the money
they want us to pay them?
   
Shih Tung
Chem E
Best l'il Tech School
in Cambridge
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Cold war against ISLAM (Part-1)
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<1992Jul16.170547.1290@sco.COM>
	<KYTAN.92Jul20105455@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com>
	<1992Jul22.001423.12401@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:53:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.001423.12401@leland.Stanford.EDU> algebra@leland.Stanford.EDU (Leong Weng Ng) writes:

{stuff deleted}

>>>No such suicide attacks have occured in other parts of the world where
>>>'fundamentalist' are active such as Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, Sudan
>>>Afghanistan and Pakistan.
>>
>>Perhaps not all of the above countries have experienced suicide attacks but
>>I think you forget the Egyptian suicide attack on Sadat and the recent suicide
>>attack on the Algerian head of state.  The fact that a few of the Sadat
>>attackers lived to be tried does not make it any less a suicide attack.  In
>>both cases, the attackers were Muslim fanatics.  Christianity, if I remember
>>correctly, takes a dim view of suicide for whatever reason, unlike Islam.
				   ^^^^^^^
>	   Is that a play on semantics? I believe the "suicide" in
>"suicide attack" is different from "suicide" as used in your last
>line. Your last line sure looks like a jibe at Islam. In any case,
>I think a religion should not be judged based on the actions of
>its members. Just because a few fanatics go about killing people
>in the name of religion does not necessarily mean that the 
>religion condones violence, or "suicide" as you put it. I
>believe that most religions preach a message of love toward
>your fellow man, but man has chosen to misinterpret religion
>and turn it into a base ornament for his own misuse. But
>even that and more should not be construed as a fault of
>the religion. If Islam has its fanatics, then Christianity
>also had its Crusaders. No religion is free from bad
>reputation.

Suicide is suicide in my book.  I don't believe you'll find any non-Muslim
religion that even brings up the concept that if one takes as many enemies of
the faith with one when one dies, one will achieve a direct line to the deity
in question.  

A religion can only be judged on its practioners because, in theory, everything
is perfect, be it communism, Christianity or whatever.

--
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From: vickeong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Jiun-Wen Keong)
Subject: Re: Hwa Chong's not that bad!
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:14:51 GMT

cheu@neptune.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:

> In article <l6n0h7INN240@nyquist.usc.edu>, goh@nyquist.usc.edu (K.C.Goh) writ
> |> In article <1992Jul20.234623.18455@leland.Stanford.EDU> akster@leland.Stan
> |> >
> |> >	[Stuff deleted]
> |> >
> |> >the quality of teaching.  I've gone through schools in Singapore as well
> |> >as 2 in the U.S. and can count very few good teachers (mostly at Stanford
> |> >Law School).  I thought the worst were those at Hwa Chong JC.
> |>                              ^^^^^               ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> |> >
> |> >E. Yap
> |> >
> |> 
> |> I beg to differ, but perhaps from a different perspective,
> |> because I was probably at HCJC earlier.
> |> 
> |> I was at Hwa Chong J.C. in 83-84 and I feel that the teachers
> |> there were excellent, especially the Further Math teachers.
> |> Back then, Hwa Chong math department was supposed to be really good.
> |> (Particularly, Miss Yap and Mrs Kong, to whom I dedicate this
> |> defense of Hwa Chong to!).  And RJC didn't even exist back then.
> |> 
> |> Also my GP teachers were quite good.
> |> Bottom line: 	Hwa Chong has at least one satisfied customer
> |> 		out here in Netland.
> |> 
> |> Regards.
> |> 
> |> 
> |> 
> |> 
> 
> K.C.,
> 
> You are not the only Hwa Chong Alumni around.  I was there in 81-82,
> the 1st batch of computer science students. Those good old days when
> I was still using Apple II and punch cards...
> 
> Kelvin Cheu

I cannot believe there are people out there who actually tries to 
discredit HCJC after spending two years there. Granted the buildings were 
falling apart and we never had a place to sit during the peak lunch hours 
in the canteen; but my experiences at HCJC wee definitely most fruitful. 
And I definitely do not understand why HCJC's quality of teaching can be 
doubted when Hwa Chong consistently produced the most number of 4 As 
students annually! I still remember vividly how Bernard Fong used to wave 
his hands and conduct the singing of the National Anthem during 
assemblies..............................

vickeong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Jiun-Wen Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Naqshabandiyya Sufi Master
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:32:23 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA





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From: u925979@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Hee Poh)
Subject: Volleyball in Olympics
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:51:49 GMT

Does anyone know anything about the volleyball matches in Barcelona?
I am currently in Australia, will there be any LIVE broadcasting matches
showing on TV?

Any info is very much appreciated.

P/s : Also is there any different about the broadcast system between Tasmania
      and the main-land? I am in the southern most, Hobart. 


HP.
Waiting for help.  
       Help! Help! Piepye
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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: NTU posting problems solved
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:26:01 GMT

Attention all NTU tin users. You must put a blank line after the header.
This is discover by Mr Toh Guan Ngee.

I also discovered that /usr/spool has been linked to /usr/var/spool which
is mounted on a partition which is nearly full 85% whereas /usr/spool/news 
remains untouched at 35% all the time.

There is no way for me to go to /usr/spool/news by using cd. I would always be
directed to /usr/var/spool/news.

I have told roland about this but he has not done anything yet. 

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet