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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: mailing lists
Keywords: where do we go from here?
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:01:52 GMT

yes@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (daniel.e.wofford) writes:

> I have seen 2 different posts to join mailing lists but the only info
>they give is the machine name. i.e to subscribe to the Marillion
>mailing list you are supposed to send a message
>saying subscribe freaks dan gray
>to freaks-request@bnf.com
>If the machine i'm on doesn't know about bnf.com how in the #@$%#^%#^#&^$
>does everyone get the path to subscribe? I have asked my administrator
>if there is some service that I am not aware of that hunts down EMAIL
>paths but he just looked at me like I was stupid.

I emailed this reply but thought others might find it useful too in the
pointers to the ftp site and name resolver...

Ok, here's some ideas - ask someone else to mail the admin address asking
them to subscribe you - if the .bnf.com system can get mail to you you can
check the return address and see if it has a vaild path - I've had a situation
where I couldn't mail a list but I could get mail from it. 
 
Also, if you can mail to uunet styel addresses that might work - it'd 
probably be something like uunet!bnf.com!freaks-request. 
 
There is a service that will resolve and address, or something like that. 
I'm not sure I fully understand all this stuff myself but I think you
can email a server that will tell you the inet address of the site, then
you should be able to send mail by sending it to freaks-request@255.255.255.1
or whatever the inet address is - the problem you have is probably on your
end and you sysadmin I think should be running something that resolves 
names - sounds like he's clueless about how it should work. 
 
If you can ftp there's some great resources to help you learn more
about the net - an early draft of a book called Zen and the Art of the
Internet, and an internet-resource guide at nnsc.nsf.net.
 
here's the name resolver info:
 
 -IP Address Resolver   mail resolve@cs.widener.edu
                        mail dns@grasp.insa-lyon.fr  (body of letter: help)
   usage: in body-of-letter: site <address here>  Mails you IP address of site.
 
But I just tried it to look up bnf.com and got back:
 
>The address(es) for your request:
 
>        bnf.com                             unknown
 
If you want me to mail the -request address for you let me know - I'm on
a Peter Hammill mailing list from that site so I know I can mail there.
 
  - Malcolm
    malcolm@wrs.com

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (Mike Taylor)
Subject: Re: King Crimson Discography
Organization: Tulane Museum of Natural History
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:44:20 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-13662]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu

I found the song titles for _The Compact KC_ on the Fripp discography.  But, I
have another problem.  The _Discipline_ lyrics file only contains the words
for 'Elephant Talk,' 'Indiscipline,' and 'Thela Hun Ginjeet.'  I need lyrics
for 'Frame by Frame' and 'Matte Kudasai.'  I can't recall if 'Discipline' has
lyrics or not, and 'Indiscipline' is playing so I don't want to fast forward.
Anyway, I'll need lyrics for it, as well.  Does any one have them?  Thanks.


Mike

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From: leclercm@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Leclerc Marco)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ASIA TOURdate:
Keywords: happy the man kit watkins dregs gentle giant
Date: 11 Jan 93 00:39:25 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Anyone knows if ASIA is coming in Montreal????


Marco
From: borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Drama is pop?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 21:38:24 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <104235@netnews.upenn.edu> jarnot@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Kevin J. Jarnot) writes:
>> 	You you can be a flamer because _AQUA_ is not progressive rock,
>> ASIA for that matter never really was. And there are no longer any 
>> former progressive rock artists in the lineup (Downes doesn't count, 
>> ``Video Killed the Radio Star'' in his Buggles days was his only claim 
>> to fame - his work on _Drama_ was only pop). 
>
>Whoa!  Are you serious?  I would hardly call _Drama_ pop...

Though this does not have a terribly interesting potential for
discussion, it does lead to a point that is important - when you
consider something "progressive", it is largely based on comparision.
Compared to late Asia, Drama is likely to be categorized as
progressive.  Compared to the Art Bears, Univers Zero, Etron Fou,
Iconoclasta, or Steve Roach, it's more likely viewed as pop.

Your mileage may vary.

-Mike
From: aesba1ii@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: tubular bells
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:18:46 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

is tubular bells 2 a remake of the origional or is it different?

ian
From: borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Yezda Urfa
Date: 4 Jan 1993 19:57:20 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


As I eagerly await the CD by this band I am expecting via mail order, I
remembered that it was on Syn-phonic's Past, Present, Future compilation.
So I threw that album on.

All I can say is that they sound like Relayer Yes developed a sense of humor,
dropped acid and tried to imintate Gentle Giant.  Its some of the most 
complex, schizo, crazy music I've ever heard.  Absolutely brilliant.
Go get it.

-Mike
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Kit Watkins questions  
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:20:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.180852.11915@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, barrett@server.cs.jhu.edu (Dan Barrett) writes:
|> In article <malcolm.726424368@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
|> >I'm interested in hearing more about ANY of Kit's solo work, especially 
|> >those with Coco, and how it compares to the Happy The Man material.
|> 
|> 	I have his solo disc AZURE (1989? 90?), and it's pretty good.  It's
|> a bit new-agey but with some substance.  Some of the synth timbres,
|> particularly the massive, low pad at the end of the first track, are very
|> effective.  I don't listen to it too much these days; and when I do, it's
|> mostly background music.
|> 
|> 	Happy The Man is one band that I keep trying to like but never
|> quite get there.  I have RETROSPECTIVE, and while the music is somewhat
|> complex, it doesn't keep my interest like (say) Gentle Giant or The Dregs.
|> First, it has a "lighter" sound (studio-production-wise) that somehow doesn't
|> appeal to me.  Second, it sounds to me like these guys are trying to be
|> complex rather than playing cohesive and enjoyable music.  Just IMHO.

I would urge netters to get Kit's sampler CD ($3.50 for 73 min of music).
This has selections from all his solo albums. Kit has a few new-agey
albums but the majority are not. His collaborations with Coco Rousell
(HTM's percussionist) are very good. I have _Azure_ and find it has a
'darker' feel to the songs. _Sunstruck_ is one of my faves - the opening
'Solar Gain' in 5/4 really cooks. 

I agree that HTM has a 'lighter' sound - they don't do much in the
way of masive overdubs and studio trickery. Boy can these guys play !
They do play quite complex music but to me it sounds like they are
having fun ! (IMHO)

Kit's solo stuff is not as complex as HTM, but he still uses some
very interesting rhythms. The synth work is outstanding. If you get nothing
else get his sampler CD. It has the best songs from all his solo CDs
and at $3.50 is a genuine bargain. 
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.cd
From: white@hydro.mps.ohio-state.edu (The Master)
Subject: Re: No "Theme One" on Pawn Hearts CD?
Organization: S.H.A.D.O.
	<1993Jan6.060531.28496@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> <C0Ft3F.Lsp@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:35:29 GMT


	"Theme One" is found on the "First Generation" CD, but I don't
know if it's still available.  I may be wrong about this, but I think
the original Charisma pressings of "Pawn Hearts" never had "Theme One"
included.  However, the Buddah pressings did.  Anyone know for sure?
Also, on a related note, has anyone else compared the CD reissue of
"The Least We Can Do Is Wave" to the tracks from that album which appear
on "First Generation"?  The remastering is horrible for "Least" but
the sound quality on "Generation" is far better.  Has Virgin since
corrected the problem?  "Least" sounds so bad on CD I've been playing
my LP instead!

Dave White
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From: hzf30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Flint Howard)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Crack the sky - comments and questions.
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:52:01 GMT
Reply-To: hzf30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Flint Howard)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1ifs6aINNmot@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> jgarcia@cse.ucsc.edu (Jorge Garcia) writes:
>Has anyone else heard of a group called "Crack the Sky"? I never see
>them posted in any of the progressive group lists that periodically
>appear in this newsgroup. As a matter of fact, I had only heard one
>song from them in the infamous Stone Trek program on KOME, then saw
>one of their CDs in a cut out bin for $5, so decided to give it a try.
>This was "From the Greenhouse", and in my opinion is a great album.
>It is available from Noteworthy. The music is similar to Pink Floyd,
>with lots of Gilmour style guitar.
>
>Now the questions: After I got this CD, I decided to try out the other
>CDs they have out. I got "Raw", and found it to be a piece of crap.
>I was extremely disappointed with it, and now I'm not sure if I should
>even try the other CD listed in Noteworthy: "Dog City". Does anybody
>have more information on these guys? Do they have any more CDs? Any
>comments on "Dog City"? Thanks,
>
>Jorge


I heard the title track from "From the Greenhouse" on Stone Trek
and liked it.  Then I saw "Dog City" at CD Warehouse and picked it up.
I thought it was very similar to the track I'd heard on Stone Trek.
So, I'd venture to say if you liked "From the Greenhouse" you'd probably
like "Dog City."
That's about the extent of my knowledge.
From: jarnot@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Kevin J. Jarnot)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: mailing lists
Keywords: where do we go from here?
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:46:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center

In article <1993Jan4.175753.6272@cbfsb.cb.att.com> yes@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (daniel.e.wofford) writes:
> 
> 
> I am in need of help trying to get in touch with different
> people around the net. I am going to risk sounding stupid here
> so please be kind. 
> 
>  I have seen 2 different posts to join mailing lists but the only info
> they give is the machine name. i.e to subscribe to the Marillion 
> mailing list you are supposed to send a message
> saying subscribe freaks dan gray
> to freaks-request@bnf.com 
> If the machine i'm on doesn't know about bnf.com how in the #@$%#^%#^#&^$
> does everyone get the path to subscribe? I have asked my administrator 
> if there is some service that I am not aware of that hunts down EMAIL 
> paths but he just looked at me like I was stupid.
> 
> I subscribe to ATTMAIL does any one know if they offer such a service?
> can anyone please help me get subscribed to the Marillion mailing list?

I'll try to give you an answer, but since I don't know how your system
is configured, it may not be possible.

When you say your system doesn't know about bnf.com, do you mean that
when you mail your subscription you get an "Unknown Host" error?  Are
you trying to mail via a bang-path (ie. host1!host2!bnf)?  I'm
assuming that you are using a machine on the Internet, or at least
with access to the Internet via dialup, and have a smart router, so
you don't need a bang-path...

I know everyone will agree with me that all most of us did was send
mail to freaks-request@bnf.com...

Mail me back if you need more help...

Kevin
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (Mike Taylor)
Subject: King Crimson Discography
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-20589]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu
Organization: Tulane Museum of Natural History
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:02:47 GMT

I just checked ftp.uwp.edu and I can't believe I can't find a thorough KC
discography, with song titles, times, etc.  I'm tyring to put together a 
lyric sheet for a friend who just got _The Compact KC_ but I don't know 
what songs are on it.  Could some one pass along this information.  Even
better would be a complete KC discography.  Thanks...


Mike

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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: raytrace@cs.curtin.edu.au (RayTrace project)
Subject: Re: : Lots of stuff: Hackett, Pallas, Vangelis, Genesis, etc...
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:11:30 GMT

silvus@vauxhall.ece.cmu.edu (Gregory Lee Silvus) writes:

>   Anybody hear about a Vangelis album "See You Later" with 3 jon
>   anderson vocals?

>Available on import.
>Interesting album, and I believe Jon sings on only 2 tracks. I personally
>like the album, but I could see how some would dislike it.
	I like it especially the last track - Obviously!
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From: kogrady2@mach1.wlu.ca (kathleen o'grady 9207 G)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: ASIA TOURdate:
Keywords: happy the man kit watkins dregs gentle giant
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:41:27 GMT
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University

Asia is playing in a local 800 seat club in about a month,
just prior to ELP in Toronto I believe.  The club is 
advertising it with Palmer and Howe, although the press
person at the record co will only confirm Palmer.  They said
Howe was up in the air, probably because of the new Yes album
coming out in March.  Any one know who will be in the band for 
certain.  Also the Yes album mentioned I got from a list of
release dates on another net.  Anyone know if this is in fact
a new album, who is in the band this time around ??  Especially
since the same list had Steve Howe releasing a new album at the 
end of Feb !!

Mark
From: gjw@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Mr Garry J. Wardrope)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Yes, end of Relayer
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:34:51 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

orion@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ryan Curtis) writes:


>It sounds like Jon doesn't know, either.

  Frequently these lyrics were just phrases that poped into there head and
have no specific meaning - even when they are intelegable(sp).

	Garry

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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: Camel Interview Update
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:46:17 GMT

This is just a quick note to let you Camelheads know that the
interview has finally been transcribed and has been sent to
Gibraltar. Whoa, "Sent to Gibraltar", now that sounds deep...

Anyway, look for all 1500 lines of it in the next issue. In
it you'll learn the secret, sordid connection between Golfing 
Videos, Genesis and Camel. Now, if that doesn't make you drool
with anticipation, I don't know what will...

Anyway, it's done, all *14,000* words of it... (groan)

Now, please excuse me while I look around for a new set of hands...

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
From: orion@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ryan Curtis)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Dixie Dregs on Tonight Show
Date: 5 Jan 1993 07:47:04 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

martino@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr) writes:

>Jay Leno just stated tonight that the Dixie Dregs would be on this week
>on the tonight show...anyone know what day?

I understand that the Dregs will play 2 songs on the 7th of January, which 
would be this Thursday.  Watch or tape it.

Ryan
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: gobbo@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (Stefano Gobbo)
Subject: Re: mailing lists (VdGG/Hammill)
Keywords: where do we go from here?
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:34:08 GMT

malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:

>yes@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (daniel.e.wofford) writes:

>>The address(es) for your request:
> 
>>        bnf.com                             unknown
> 
>If you want me to mail the -request address for you let me know - I'm on
>a Peter Hammill mailing list from that site so I know I can mail there.
> 
>  - Malcolm
>    malcolm@wrs.com

I'm really interested in entering any VdGG/Hammill mailing list.
Could you tell me what should I do?
I would apprecciate any information concernig this (mailing list e-mail address,
 etc..)

 Thanks a lot

Stefano Gobbo
Dipartimento di Ingegneria Elettronica e Informatica
Politecnico di Milano - Italia

e-mail gobbo@ipmel2.elet.polimi.it
From: wrl@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Bill Lefler)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Progressive music carried by Noteworthy music
Summary: Noteworthy?
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:49:10 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton


      You mentioned Noteworthy music in your post.  I just started reading
this group, so am obviously ignorant. Can you post some more info on Noteworthy?
  What it is?  How to get a catalog?  etc.


     thanks, Billl
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From: reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ASIA AQUA --> Excuse me, but ...
Summary: ASIA AQUA
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:18:56 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario Canada

In article <1993Jan9.224804.11050@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen) writes:
> Can I be a flamer and say that any discussion of the new and improved
> ASIA does not belong in alt.music.progressive?   ;)
> 
> ----
> Carl Christensen

	You you can be a flamer because _AQUA_ is not progressive rock,
ASIA for that matter never really was. And there are no longer any 
former progressive rock artists in the lineup (Downes doesn't count, 
``Video Killed the Radio Star'' in his Buggles days was his only claim 
to fame - his work on _Drama_ was only pop). 
	If Howe rejoins as a charter member and is allows to wield his
innovative style, then lets discuss ASIA. 
	BTW, _AQUA_ is ``new'' ASIA but I object to the ``improved'' 
qualifier! Two things need to happen to improve on _AQUA_: get Howe into
the lineup as full contributor, and get rid of John Payne. Greg Lake was
the perfect substitute for John Wetton but Lake in back in ELP (with 
Palmer) and Wetton and Howe get along as well as Saddam Hussein and the
U.S. President. They need to inject some real talent into this band. 
Here's my lineup for ASIA:

	Steve Howe (Yes) : guitars and other stringed intruments
	Geoff Downes (Buggles/Yes) : keyboards and synths
	Ruebin Berry (`3') : Bass and vocals
	Cozy Powell (Rainbow/ELP/Jeff Beck) : Drums and other percussion
			
Any other suggestions from the peanut gallery?

--- Andy
From: clar27@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("j.forssell")
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Masque
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:36:19 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

Hello!

I just joined this forum and to my delight, there seems to be quite a lot more
bands playing this music than just the ones from the 70's.
Looking through the list of new releases this year, I saw that one band was
missing, so for what it is worth I will mension MASQUE.

MASQUE is a Swedish band, based in Gothenburg (second largest city in Sweden).
They released their first CD this year on a French label. If there are any
interest, I will look it up.

The music is quite similar to how SAGA used to sound in the early days. Since
the texts are written by a poet, they are quite advanced and this kept the
reviewers grade down when they were judged in the papers.

I think the record is available in Europe, while America is more uncertain but
it is of course available by mail from the record company.

If there is any interest in the address, just let me know.

/Jonas Forssell
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive