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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 08:44:00 GMT

In article <lis.703135430@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:
>The Claremontism I always got tired of was everybody calling everybody
>else "Bunkie"  I have never heard anyone outside of a Claremont comic
>use that term.  I was especially nausiated when the TERMINATOR used
>the phrase in the X-Men/Titans crossover.  Sorry, that is NOT his character.
>-- 

X-TITANS is the only time I can remember Claremont ever using Bunkie.
I've noticed people blaming Claremont for lots of lines they were maybe used once, and sometimes not even in one of his books.


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From: sasha.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:44:35 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

rudeboy@next00wor.wam.umd.edu (Darrell T. Blake) writes:

> In article <1992Apr5.222856.4906@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>  
> orlando@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter J. Orlando) writes:
> > 
> >    Although I hate to start something with this, especially how X-Mem
> > have not been written to their potential lately.  But the most likely 
> > traitor to the X-Men and would make the best story and fitting ending
> > would be Wolverine. Logan seems to fit it the best.  Always the loner,
> > although feeling the need for family.  However, somehow gets full memory
> > of his past and realize his whole mission was to infiltrate the X-Men
> > and stay with them to find there downfall of Charles Xavier.  
> > And him setting out to complete his mission.  He could really have been
> > someone totally different when he remembers his past.  I mean he
> > may be hiding the real Logan.
> > 
> > Like I said.. only a thought.
> > 
> > Peter
> 
> 	My gut feeling tells me that Bishop is the traitor of the X-Men,
> after all, he has the power, knowlege, and strength to take them all on 
> and win!!!!!!!!

My personal vote is Mikhail.  He fits all the earmarks of the X-Judas
(unknown background, trusted by default, energy user, etc.)


                                           - Sasha



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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: xfactor vs xforce
Date: 8 Apr 1992 18:52:02 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine


	Well, what with all the veiled Cable/X-force bashing that goes on
in Marvel (in X-factor, last years's New Warriors Annual, and this year's
X-force annual), I can easily see X-force getting it's clock cleaned.  
And now that RL is leaving, I'd guess that Fabian N. is going to put
his own spin on the title, which may mean a turnaround in direction
(and perhaps some plots that hold together and that aren't movie ripoffs).
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:46:36 -0400 
From: Andrew David Weiland <aw1s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: SPLIT: Proposed charter and poll

While I'm in favor of a comics.superheros split, I don't think
discussion should begin until the .manga issue is resolved.  It's a bad
idea to have two heirarchy discussions about the same group at the same
time.
From: mab@wdl39.wdl.loral.com (Mark A Biggar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: adamantium
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:39:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: wdl.1992Apr14.203917.25271
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs

In article <QduY9kq00WBN899b1r@andrew.cmu.edu> James William Stepanek <js43+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>How unbreakable is unbreakable? Could you drop a tank of Wolverine and 
>>have him come out smelling like a rose?
>I suppose the skeleton could be assumed to not break but every piece of
>flesh in between tank and skeleton would be squeezed off. Ouch.

Also given that he has to breath, his ribs can't be solidly attached to his
spine or sternum, so squish go most of his upper torso major organs.  The pelvis
would help a little but his hips would dislocate and the spine detatch, alowing
the pelvis to rotate (either way) and there goes the rest of his major organs.
Gross, but I don't think he would survive.

-

MArk Biggar
mab@wdl1.wdl.loral.com
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (We make money the ole fashioned way. We beat people for it.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Question
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr16.091905.1@skcla.monsanto.com>, jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes...
>In article <wdvB6BG00UhWI9MwwV@andrew.cmu.edu>, jbb9+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Michael Borlinghaus) writes:
>> 
>> I remember a way back during the X-Men's Australian stint that they gained the 
>> ability to avoid detection on most electronic scanning equipment
>> (security cameras, can't remember what else because my collection is at
>> home). Has there been any mention of this power recently or is another
>> forgotten chip of continuity.
>I can see two reasons why they're not invisible to machines anymore:
>1) Only a few of the X-Bunch were made that way.  Gambit, Bishop, the
>   ex-X-Factor crowd (original X-Men), Jubilee, weren't involved.
>2) Those that went through the 'siege perilous' may have had that little
>   bonus revoked.  That whole disappearing mutants bit was the lamest bit
>   of writing they had.  "Let's lose a bunch of these mutants so we don't
>   have to deal with them for a while.   And let's have Longshot disappear 
>   in a different way, just to confuse the fanboys."  Bleah.

You have to remember not all of the mutants who were made invisible to
machines went thru the Seige PlotDevice.  Storm, Wolverine and LongShot
were all spared this.  They can explain away Storm with her being reverted
back to a young age, but what about LongShot and Wolverine?

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From: mal6657@tamsun.tamu.edu (Mark A. Lindsay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: TOM DEFALCO=HITLER???
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:02:19 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:


|	Give him credit.  He is working thor backwards.  The "old" thor
|had too much baggage with him to really take the character back to its
|"true" roots.  Its true roots being the "classic" Stan Lee-R. Burns 
|-Don Heck issues
|in the range of Journey into Mystery 87-100.  I mean who can forget those
|stories.  Or those characters like Merlin, Sandu the
|master of the supernatural, Cobra, Mr. Hide.  Or Zaxton and his duplicating
|ray. 


	My biggest problem with the new Thor is that they took away what made
him unique - his godhood.  There are plenty of strong-super-types running
around Marvel. By making him be mortal, they just put him in with the
rest of that crowd.  They need to bring back the one, true Thor!

I doubt any god who inflicts pain for his own pleasure.
    -- McCoy, "The Final Frontier,"  stardate 8451.1.

mal6657@tamsun.tamu.edu                                   Texas A&M University 
                A Sooner in a strange place called "Aggieland"
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 19:47:11 EDT
From: <BHB101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Wolverine

Hi all, Midnight here.  Most of you are correct that Marvel will not settle
this Wolverine nonsense as long as they can sell 4 titles a month on his
"mystery"There are some readers out there who think (gasp) that Wolverine is
still an interesting character though and it is these people who worry me.
There is a distinct difference between mysterious and ambigious.  Wolverine
is intentionally written to be ambigious, so we will keep buying his comics.
This is a low manipulative trick that seems to work on the masses, only
because most of them either don't realize they're are being manipulated or
they don't realize bad writing when it is right in front of them.  Now for a
truly mysterious character, and excellent writing I suggest the first run of
Moon Knight.  Now there was a well written, atmospheric title far ahead of
its own time---and still of higher quality than most of the junk coming out
today.  The second and third Moon Knight series are lame (so far anyway) and
probably will never recapture the true mystery of the character.  This is my
opinion, and does not necessarily express the opinion of this computer, Penn
State or the Swedish Women's Olympic Volleyball team.  Midnight.


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Ever, WOLVERINE'S CLAWS!!  Six issues in prestige format, each one with a holog
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stupid and we know it!
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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 19:46:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.020620.7757@wam.umd.edu> rudeboy@wam.umd.edu writes:
>	My gut feeling tells me that Bishop is the traitor of the X-Men,
>after all, he has the power, knowlege, and strength to take them all on 
>and win!!!!!!!!

Except for Colossus, who he has no defense or offense against...neither does he
have any defense against Psylocke, Prof X, Marvel Girl, Beast, Wolverine...

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From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: META: How to split?
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:33:51 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <1992Apr16.194404.25841@math.ucla.edu> From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)

> In article <2046@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
> >I think the best time for the split is in the summer BECAUSE
> >most of the students are gone for you generally get a lot fewer
> >posted votes.

> Then, a large number of r.a.c'ers come back to school and wonder why
> they weren't consulted on something important to them.


Please reread article;  reread the part you quoted;
it says specificly that the POSTED votes would be cut down.
POSTED votes are not valid, they are the votes which result from
people, primarily necomers who post a vote agreeing or disagreeing
when a call for vote is issued.  Generally what happens is that a
proposal is made and a lot of traffic is just someone saying I vote
"No" or I vote "Yes" without bothering to read that votes do not
count if posted.  See proposal for in misc.jobs regarding
misc.jobs.entry for an example.  Flames have been going on in that
group for weeks.

The vote would be held in the fall (although it is NOT required)
so everyone returning in the fall could voter on it.

The reason for starting it in the summer is that traffic is lower
and hence the "noise" caused by a vote would less impact the
group and there are less newcomers reading the group hence
fewer posted votes and such.

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From: bike@athena.mit.edu (Michael Y Fan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: STARWARS
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:21:30 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr13.025141.16099@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>>  A while back, there was posted a list of Star Wars-related books,
>>including the title "The End of the Empire".  Does anybody know what
>>this book was about ( besides what you can get from the title ) ?
>
>I have never, repeat never, heard of this.  I concider myself fairly up-to-date
>with all SW stuff, but this is new to me.
>
>It might have been a distortion of "Heir to the Empire"
>or of a script treatment to Episode 3 called "Fall of the Republic"(had someone
>out there told me that it was actually fan-fiction, not real?)
>
>It's also possible it is a name from a module for the RPG, but I doubt it.
>
>--------SCAVENGER

It's not a distortion.  I posted about it because I own it.  It's a paperback
novel which is probably out of print by now.  I don't have it with me, so
I'm not sure of the author.  It was someone obscure.  It is cleary set in
the star wars universe.  I'm quite a Star Wars buff myself, and I don't
confuse titles with one another.  That list I posted included Heir To The
Empire, if you remember.
					Mike Fan
From: ror1@ellis.uchicago.edu (BANZAI the MASTER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: TOM DERFALCO=HITLER???
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:52:24 GMT
Reply-To: ror1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations




I've heard a lot of talk of Tom Defalco being a real fascist dictator out to
destroy the Marvel Universe as some of us loved it.  I haven't ever read FF or
Thor so I can't vouch for those too (though the Thor I saw in Operation seemed 
especially lame), but is this really true?  Does anybody think Tom is doing a
good job?  What does PAD have to say about him?  Is he allowed to?


And also, are there any Moon Knight (old Moon Knight) fans out there?  Would 
you like to form a posse with me so we can go and utterly kill and slay and 
dismember Terry Kavanaugh for what he's doing to the book?  I want Chuck
Dixon back, damn it!!!

-BANZAI
ror1@midway.uchicago.edu

"A little man with a big eraser changing history
Procedures that he's programmed to, all he hears and sees."  -MEGADETH
From: ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: wanted: diamondback deck
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:00:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam Fans

Is there some kind soul out there who can buy and mail me a
diamondback deck if I provide funds?  Unsurprisingly, none of Dave's
stops are very close to Fairbanks, AK, but I'd really like to lay my
hands on one.

Eric Olson <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>
From: WK60BUSW@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Underated Comics (was Re: Voice your opinions!)
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:10:15 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I most definately agree with you!  Captain Carrot was a comic before its time -
 satiring the spandex clad idiots of other comics and doing a darn good job of
 it!  I really wish it hadn't died like it did.  I also wish that I had managed
 to get into collecting back then and bought all of them.  While on the subject
 of wishes I wish that Dave Sim would suddenly reveal that he has all the rest
 of Cerebus already written/drawn and will be putting it out in a weekly format
 or something.
 
*sigh*  so I'm a dreamer!  crucify me!
 
normy =)
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From: bcg42647@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hasaneenee Dingo )
Subject: Re: STARWARS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 07:01:56 GMT

Splinter of the Mind's Eye did not seem to contradict anything as far as I was
concerned...

It was in earliest form a touching up of Lucas's original scripts for the 1st
movie and somewhat of the second.  An original draft for Star Wars (waaaaay
back when Lucas thought it could only be one movie) had the Kaiburr crystal as
the object of a Galactic quest. One reason that Lucas gave the go ahead for
its use in Foster's book is because during the filming of the first movie he
grew rather attached to the character of Han Solo, who doesn't make an appear-
ance in the novel SotME.

Just because Halla didn't appear in the movies doesn't mean she didn't exist.

Darth Vader didn't fall to his death...a passage from the book goes something 
like:
and Luke could still feel Vader's presence, like a bad aftertaste in the mouth.
or something.

This End of the Empire stuff intrigues me...
a working draft of Return of the Jedi? a perversion of Heir to the Empire?
*sigh* I wish George would get off his ass and make the next flick allready.

Hasaneenee Dingo, the modified M-340 Mon Calamari cruiser, who suffers
unknowledgeable Star Wars fools in silence...UNTIL NOW.

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From: crew@CS.Stanford.EDU (Roger Crew)
Subject: Re: Sandman Movie?!?
Organization: Stanford University Computer Science Dept.
	<1992Apr13.084229.17180@maths.tcd.ie>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:00:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.084229.17180@maths.tcd.ie> afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell) writes:
> 
> Time to Re-open trhe nominations for the Sandman cast, methinks.
> Anyone remember them? Brian Blessed for Destruction is the only one that 
> comes to mind, and we haven't even seen Destruction in ~3000 years.

I always hate these discussions, but what the hey...?

  Dream      Dustin Hoffman
  Death      Geena Davis
  Destiny    James Earl Jones
  Desire     Tim Curry
  Despair    John Candi
  Delirium   Winona Ryder

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From: an12370@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David C. Tuttle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: META: How to split?
Date: 15 Apr 1992 18:00:09 GMT

Just to float another idea out here...
If there is to be a vote for splitting into more than two newsgroups,
I, for one, would like to see a rec.arts.comics.reviews included.

It could be moderated, but I think it need not be -- a high
signal/noise ratio would probably occur naturally (especially if
follow-ups are properly directed by the reviewer :-).  A lot of folks
(myself included) read this group to find out what other folks like,
to make better buying decisions when it comes time to hit the comic
store.

R.a.c. has had good review series such as Moriarty Reviews, Mutant For
Hire Reviews, and several others (even Omega Reviews :-).  I'm
disappointed that reviews aren't as prevalent as they once were -- and
r.a.c.reviews might reverse that trend.  I think r.a.movies.reviews
stands as a good example to follow (with moderation optional).

That's my $0.02 -- do with it what you want.  My apologies if someone
else has mentioned this already -- I've tried to keep up with this
discussion, but sometimes articles expire too quickly.
--
David C. Tuttle                               dct@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu
Software Systems Specialist               Department of Biomathematics
University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center         Houston, Texas
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From: ba06103@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (ba06103)
Subject:       X-Ideas
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:06:32 GMT

   well here we go with the trader thing again... 
     Rachel has a psi link with her brother nathen, who might jsut be cable. So
when cable finialy starts to hit on the x-men for getting in his way and
X-force is trashed this would cause cable to go into a trauma. The trauma would
signal rachel who using the power of the pheonix jsut mops the floor with the 
x-men.... personaly I like rachel and don't want this to happen
        Witness seemed to be more like a telepath than anything else (knew
what bishop found before he said anything) so lets do this.... the shapshifter
babe (with blue skin forgot her name but she is in the mansion right now) turns
into gambit and touches rouge. Rogue get the evil memories of her and is 
overwhelmed runs to xavier for help and drapes herself over him. this causes
his psi powers to be transerfered. Rouge is now angry, vengeful and very
powerful so powerful that she blasts the blue babe from across the mansion 
the other x-men show up and try to hold her but fail... mainly because she
is totaly beserk with power... how about that one?

         ps why couldn't gamibt be it anyway? So what if he's popular?

- Abel Sussman
From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-FORCE: Warpath
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:44:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: cunixf.1992Apr9.194438.3482
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Apr9.175052.9452@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa719@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stan M. Mangrum) writes:
>
>
>With the release of the X-Men Cards, I offer this question
>for discussion. What is the true size of Warpath? According
>to his x-card, he's 6'1" and weighs 214 lbs. Cable's listed
>at 6'8" and 350 lbs. But since the creation of X-Force, I've
>never seen a picture where Warpath was smaller than Cable.
>I know as a Hellion, Warpath was normal sized. So what's the
>deal?
>
You've got to be kidding.  Cable's supposed to be 6'8"?  Warpath was normal
size.  About the same size as Cannonball when they first met, I believe.
Six foot one makes sense, since cannonball was concidered a little tall and
thin, back then.  Cable at 6'8", though...I wonder if he was wearing his
lifters at the time :-)

Karthik Sheka              | It's not an optical illusion.  It just looks like
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