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From: wesiegel@cie.uoregon.edu (William Siegel)
Subject: Re: Superman dead?!!!!!!(**SPOILER AHOY**)
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 01:56:46 GMT










 This is for real.




I read the last Eclipso comic before they go into a new series of both Eclipso
and Valor.  In it is a thought bubble for Superman saying I'm still alive, 
guess I'm tougher than I thought. This is after Lar Gand tries to vaporize 
him with his heat vision.  Afterward Superman knocks out Lar Gand injuring him
severely.

I have been reading a number of hints throughout the Superman series that Supe
Superman is a lot more powerful than he has let on.  Besides there are a number
of ways to bring Superman back from the dead.  His unique Kryptonian nature, the
powers that seem more mental than physical, and their being fueled by solar 
radiation somehow reactivating his life with a loss of memory for a while, due
to the tremendous shock to his system.  He could be revived by the Eradicator,
this machine somehow coming back into existance since it was only energy which
has lost its original pattern and could find a way back from the dimension it
was torn up in several issues back.

There are a number of ways for them to bring him back but they have to work
a good story line for it and he can't be the same after coming back to the 
living.  He might be much more powerful and less vulnerable to magic and other
things, like say Doomsday, Valor, the Daxamites.  Remember when he was in the
time travel series with the Linear Men and the legion were astonished by his 
power's and yet not so surprised.  He was the stuff of legends and they never
knew what became of him throught the centuries, he may have gotten much more 
powerful than ever thought possible.  Who knows?

Just a thought, anyway.

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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: LNH: 501 Blues delayed and more
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:31:46 GMT

Hi the next installment of the 501 Blues will be delayed untill tomorow.
(The C-drain must be going around).  Anyhow,  The post 2 1/2 month gap
adventures of the LNH will be back by fri. nite.

Also I found a hard copy of one of the LNH rosters from last spring.
This was done by the legendary Captain Cleanup.  I'll copy it
and post it sometime tomorrow as well.

Does anyone know about alt. newsgroup creation?  If there's interest we
could try and make one.

Til then,
-----SCAVENGER

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From: ins227z@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (James Della-Porta)
Subject: Batman: Neil Gaiman
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:16:15 GMT

    A friend and I were having a discussion over who would be a good writer
for Batman. As we both like Batman to be extremely dark, we both enjoy
Legends of the Dark Knight more than any other title. We proposed the
idea of Alan Moore writing for LOTDK, as he has already written for
superman and has obviosly done some great work with Swamp Thing. However,
we then decided that Neil Gaiman would be able to do an even better job.
Eveyone knows Gaiman's work from Sandman, but he has also written Black
Orchid and Miracleman for a short time, and both these titles have dark
overtones. I think he would be able to do justice to Batman's character.
    Another good writer, and artist would be Todd McFarlane. I know he did do
some work on Batman, but I would like to see him work on LOTDK if possible.
I realise his work is not terribly dark, although it's starting to get that 
way with spawn(yes, I am a big Todd McFarlane fan). But, I think his style
portrays many of his stories in a realistic manner, which is something rarely
seen these days. I would like to know what the few Batman issues that he
drew were like, I'd expect them to be of a high standard. If anyone has any
other suggestions about who could write LOTDK in the possible future, I'd like
to hear of them. Remember, LOTDK is a serious, dark title for mature readers,
so I don't like to see childish stories, similar to Detective and Batman, in
it.



					James.


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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: In what issue does the Superman "death" start.
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:00:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.003107.19863@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:
>In article <mumble> torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) writes:
>
>>Any guesses as how Superman comes back?  I favor the old "hibernation while 
>>the body heals itself" trick, with a weakened Superman slowly regaining his
>>powers.  
>
>Sounds likely, unless they go into something hokey involving the
>afterworld.  

There was talk floating around a while back about a "Superman in Hell"
storyline, but I doubt it's related at all.  At least I hope not.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"I lift cement, I hate this shit .... Caribou!"
   --- the Pixies
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Superman dead; I don't believe it!
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 03:20:06 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc

ins598w@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Roger Tall):
>I cannot believe that DC are serious about this!!  Are Superman comics 
>not selling that well or...

I wouldn't get too worried.  Odds are running approximately seven to one
that Superman's death will be of short duration.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   The inability of snakes to count is actually a refusal, on their part,
    to appreciate the Cardinal Number system. -- "Actual Facts"
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: LNH - Posting of the last chapter (so far...)
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:46:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20233
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>     Meanwhile, back on Earth-K and Earth-D....

	The LNH have awakened the dreaded form of CD King, He Whom Must
Possess, the Dark Mutterer at Katemas, and the Bane of All House Music
(which, we must admit, is his one good point).

Stirring from his Rainbow Throne of ROM, he glances up, and casts his
gaze -- THROUGH THE VERY PUZZLED GATES OF THE GOSSAMER HEIGHTS OF REALITY
ITSELF!

(insert your favorite Ditko Doc Strange mystic eyeball walls to your hearts
content here)

At his side, the Typewriter Mercenary, shredded and impaled on the
imagination of the Ex-Hacks, slowly spreaded his ink-flavored life's blood
into a tasteful ampersand on the paisley floor.

The CD King thought, and found that there was something that he did not
Own. He nodded, and considered those who did not Know. He stood, in
anticipation of the Great Wonk.

The Ex-Hacks, feared renegades from the Slums of the Slobbering Fans,
whose motto was "Obessa cantauit" but was soon changed to "In Us We
Trust", stood at the side of their captor and mentor. Silent, for once,
their unbalanced heads bobbing like apples escaping from an unwelcome
Halloween party, their legs bending into odd shapes as they meditated upon
the True Faith of Oragami Money (It matters not in what shape, but what
denomination).

The CD King stood, in full laughter, and gazed upon the now open portal to
Earth-K. With a sillibant hiss of his gloves, he raked the bowed head
of the Mercenary and called to his captives to follow him.

At long last, he was going to celebrate Katemas.

His way.

	WILL the LNH figure out what is going on?
	WILL the LNH even care if they do?
	And what *is* the secret of the CD King's bottle of moose spit?
	(Careful, frantic ones, it's a trick question!)

Perhaps. Perhaps....

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
For Kate is a jealous God, and requires sacrifice./What was your question?--K
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: uplink@cwis.unomaha.edu (John M. Scheibeler)
Subject: Death of Superman
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:48:51 GMT

   To all those who wonder if Lois can cover for the big blue stuffed shirt:

WRONG! Lois dies, too.

This is starting to sound like that old line from Heavy Metal:

"...then you die, she dies, everybody dies."

   And I don't see the idea of Supes regenerating from his death by going
into some means of hibernation.  I see the idea that a greater power 
recognizes that what DDay did was the act of another power, and puts the
world to right.  How else are you going to bring back Lois?

uplink
From: dream@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Morpheus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Late Comics.
Summary: Late Late Late!!!!!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:17:43 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

In article <Bu8ruI.2K4@matilda.vut.edu.au>, jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
> un032115@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
> 
> >In article <Btw9tA.JIy@matilda.vut.edu.au>, jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
> >> The Godzilla color special by Art Adams is pretty late as well.
> >Heh.  ROBOCOP VS. TERMINATOR #2-4 (also from Dark Horse) is really, REALLY
> >late.  
> >Oh, well.  It should be quality, with Miller and Simonson on the job.
> 
> Well I think the Godzilla special is later than RvsT 2-4 are. 
> I heard that RvsT #1 wasn't very good. I ordered a copy but
> havent picked it up yet!

I don't know...maybe its just me but isn't Lobo's back #3 VERY late?
Sort of sucks because I was really into it...Sure its a lot of mindless
violence but Its GOOd mindless violence with a killer and extremely humorous 
story...  

AND isn't Spawn 4 kind of late?  Seems like it would have been out by now...

but it was strange what happened to my comic book store...they told me that
it wasn't out (number 3 that is) and I had gotten it like 2 weeks before from
another store...Well, I didn't want them to think that I was buying my comics 
elsewhere (I rarely do but I was downtown and saw it and...and...)
so I complained a little about these new guys taking their time with
their deadlnes just to be cocky and went on my way...I'm not sure but either
he got screwed by his distibutor or he just didn' order anything (which is 
unlikely considering how much money he makes from things like that).  

Well, i guess I have to live with infanticde for now.

Mike (I can see my house from here...) Simon
From: jonal@dhhalden.no (JON ARVID LOVSTAD)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Dale Keown, and leaving The Incredible Hulk
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:54:34 GMT
Organization: Ostfold College

In article <rawdon.715890035@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>In <65408@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>[...]

>Who's going to be the new regular Hulk artist then?  Considering that IMO Hulk
>has had the very cream of the Marvel artistic crop drawing it since John Byrne
>started the ball rolling back in #314 (?) (even Al Milgrom - of whom I am
>no great fan, though I do respect him highly - turned in some quite nice
>work during his run on the title), I expect the best, you know!  :-)

According to Paul Neary, who's now editor in chief at Marvel UK, Dales 
replacment is going to be Gary Frank of Motormouth fame. I had an interview 
with Paul in early August for a Norwegian mag called Sirius.

>-- 
>Michael Rawdon                          rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
>University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

>"It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak."
>                               - Dream, "A Midsummer Night's Dream"

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From: mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: THE CROW
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:45:46 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


 DEC113@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>    At my local comic shop I recently saw two issues of THE CROW.  Can someone
>please tell me about it.  I would like to know if it is any good.  It looked
>intregueing.

I guess that you are talking about the recent Tundra reprints and conclusion?

Hmmm, The CrOW is one of those stories that had been tossed from publisher
to publisher, reprinted but never finished, until the Tundra edition. When it
was advertised in the late 1980s (1989-90? Second Publisher?) it was
advertised that it would be five issues, and that in each issue more people
would die than in previous ones! I'm not sure it finally lived up to that
promise but it came close.

Now for the some better info...

The Crow is a story about love and revenge. It certainly isn't the best
love story, and revenge in comics is a pretty tired subject, but I found
myself enjoying it. In my mind The Crow falls into a vaguely defined
category of "Impressionist Comics". No, the art isn't made up of little
splotches of paint, I mean that the art and story leave you with the
impression of what the artist wanted you to have, even if the story and
art don't stand up to careful examination.

[insert obligatory quote about art and "but I know what I like" here]

Of course, since I feel this way about most forms of art, I often find
myself enjoying movies, plays and paintings that other people consider
dreadful. And I mean a *lot* of people. I guess that either makes me a
visionary or an idiot. Your mileage may vary.
 
I recommend it, but only if you really don't mind spending the bucks for
the new edition.

--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
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+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       "Come, come Slygg..."                    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                                                  +
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From: sherman@dione.math.ucla.edu (William Sherman)
Subject: Re: LNH ... padding and expositions, foreshadow final climax ...
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 06:43:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.205124.58728@cc.usu.edu> sl859@cc.usu.edu writes:
>get a better modem program, he thought as he watched the collossal mess of

A voice faintly floats along the ether, gasping "colossal..."

>antecipated the fiend even knowing what "..." was called and yet he knew

"Anti... anti... " *choke* *gasp* "Is there a tourniquet in the house?"

>there was someone out there depositting ellipses everywhere.  Acton Lord 

"De... *urkkkk...*" 

>Just then the screams of Spelling Boy could be heard from net.earth.  In an
>attempt to shrug off his defeat, he had unleashed Professor Perhap and was
>being eaten by ravenous wolves.  Hahahaha.  I knew that little trap would
>catch the twerp!  Too Bad, he had to return to the scene of the crime!  
>wReam congratulated himself as he had planned it all along.  

There is the faint sound of dictionary pages ruffling in the distance...
and then, only silence.

--
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          LET ME RING THE BELL.  -Billy Crystal's privates
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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Subject: Sam and Max:  Freelance Police
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa 
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:14:11 GMT

Can someone please e-mail me or post a listing (pref.) of all titles
containing Sam and Max comix?  The only one I have is "The Color 
Collection" and the only reason I picked it up is that people on
the net were raving about it.  I haven't laughed so hard in a while,
and obviously would like to laugh that much more, so all help 
is appreciated...

Thx in advance,
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Subject: Re: Batman: Neil Gaiman (Marshall Rogers)
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 12 Sep 92 11:07:35 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Sep11.041727.136929@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> by pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis):

> Denny O'Neil???  How about him for 'The Most Overrated Batman Scripter'

    No. Going by the last few years, he is one of the best, along with
    Alan Grant.

> +-| Paul Lewis |---|  Jonestown: WLVR 91.3fm  timeslot TBA |--+-------------|
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From: 00njhavert@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Guy Gardner's new ring...HUH?
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:05:17 GMT


	Why did Guy get this YELLOW power ring? Does it work the same
(on willpower) as the old green ring? I'm guessing so. Where did he 
get the ring? How did he get the ring? WHAT IS UP WITH THIS RING?

Sincerely confused,

Nik
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: In what issue does the Superman "death" start.
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 00:34:51 GMT

In article <mumble> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <grumble> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:
>>In article <fumble> torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) writes:

>>>Any guesses as how Superman comes back?  I favor the old "hibernation while 
>>>the body heals itself" trick, with a weakened Superman slowly regaining his
>>>powers.  

>>Sounds likely, unless they go into something hokey involving the
>>afterworld.  

>There was talk floating around a while back about a "Superman in Hell"
>storyline, but I doubt it's related at all.  At least I hope not.

Well, Supes recently had a run-in with Blaze and Satanus but it wasn't
quite in Hell (next-door to it though).  That's probably what you're
thinking of.




-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Image:  Moore/Gaiman/Sim/Miller
Date: 14 Sep 1992 20:01:46 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <1992Sep14.134119.48254@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
>I used to respect Moore and Miller (never read Cerebus, and I have mixed
>feelings about Gaiman), but this Image thing leaves a real bad taste in my
>mouth.  Are Moore and Miller so hard up for money that they have to go work
>for a big mouth who sells his books on QVC Shopping Network?

	I dunno.  I see two possible outcomes of this.

	1> the fanboy fans of Image, who wouldn't know good writing if
it sat on their faces and wiggled, are unimpressed for 4 issues (maybe
3, as Miller writes grim-n-gritty, that fanboys luuuuuvvvvv), and go
on buying their 6 copies of Youngblood.
	2> after seeing what real writers can do, the Image fans realize
what fools they've been, send their copies of Youngblood to the nearest
recycling center, and start buying comics with writers. 

	Image, as a concept of creator owned comics, isn't a bad idea. 
They just have the wrong 'talent' working for them.  I'd love to see 
a shared world with people like Claremont, Ostrander,Gaiman, Moore,
Miller, PAD, Len Straziwierdlastname, McCloud, and so on.  It's just
that right now, Image is fanboy hell. 
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From: orlando@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter J. Orlando)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Superman - Glad he is going to die.
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:35:58 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


No.  This is not some great slam on any of your favorites superhereos
for those people out there.

For me, I really never read Superman mostly because when you have a character
that powerful, what adversities can a character like tha face?
Yes, the kryptonite thing as a weakness is nice but you can only 
take stories like that so far (hence red, green, blue(?)..etc. kryptonite.)

For me, a character like that finally dying off is a good thing and 
personally, I would hope (although I know they won't) they don't bring him 
back.  For me, I think the superman character needs revamping.  Almost   
as much revamping as marvel's Hulk needed until Peter David came in and 
changed that.  

For me, I like reading a comic where there are challenges and human
adversities faced by the characters.  For Superman,can he face any of those
things?  Did he?  

Just my opinion and that`s all. 

Peter
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From: ins434u@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel May)
Subject: Re: Superman Cancelled? (was Re: Superman dead?!!)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:50:14 GMT

Look, I know this is really sad for Superman.

The guy is cleaner than Antarctic air.  But the question that is foremost in
my mind is:  what about Lois?

Gee, tough times ahead.


	Daniel May
From: zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Grendel and Spawn
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:57:30 GMT

SCAVENGER writes
-->In article <Z9JeqB9w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca  
(Elizabeth Holden) writes:
-->>Am I the only person who thinks that Spawn looks just like Grendel in a 
-->>cape?

Someone else said: Spawn is a combination between Punisher (skulls on costume),  
Spiderman/Grendel (mask), and the cape -> you name the super hero...

But then again isn't EVERY *NEW* hero a ripoff off of something else...?

Grendel -> is a combo between the samurai-dynasties in japan, Star Wars, and  
Mad Max, to quote the most dominant ones...!

So what's the point?

Tell me of an idea that is entirely original, within RECENT memory!

Chris