From: west@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce West)
Subject: Re: Racism in SF2
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:42:47 GMT

In article <Bxutn5.LLM@news.iastate.edu> txam1@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>>Ok let me clear up a few things. PC is not and will not ever get to the point
>of extreme censorship. Nor will it come to a point where every word you say

    I wouldn't say "extreme censorship" - but it has already taken the form
of censorship.  I don't know if you've ever headr Howard Stern's radio show,
but he has been fined $105,000 bucks for FCC violations (not being PC).
This is a direct government to shut-down a successful speaker (he's what you
would call a middle-upper class white male).  I consider just the tip of
iceberg if this PC shit is stomped out.  FREEDOM OF SPEECH means just that -
the PEOPLE of this country can figure out what THEY think is correct.  The
ways they do this is.... a) change the channel  b) don't vote for the person.

>will be monitored by the govermenet. For all you people crying communism and
>stupid shit like that i say this. There is a false since of freedom of speech

   Communism?  whatever man.

>that has existed in this country even before PC was even thought about on the
>national level. Since when have people with a theme or thought that didnt

   DEFINITELY TRUE!  And we must get some TRUE freedom of speech - instead
of simply restricting it further!  The end does NOT justify the means.

>represent the views of main stream white america been able to speek,act
>or do anything without facing the same scrutiny that is now placed on
>alot of you non-pc people out there. How many gays have been bashed?

   Hmmm... Boyz in the Hood, Malcolm X, Public Access television, Saturday
Night Live, Fox, Howard Stern's morning radio show, National Review magazine,
PBS, pamphlets, flyers, NAACP, KKK, and many many more.  There are many
"fuck the establishment" messages out there -- unfortunetly most are being
attacked on the BASIS of not being PC!  The "black movies" have been 
praised by critics...although I would bet most "main stream american whites"
could care less or don't like it.  This whole PC thing is just another way
to censor the very group that speaks against censorship.  I would bet 
10 to 1 odds EVERYONE on here saying "PC sucks" also is completely
PRO-speech for minority and oppresed groups.  Again, fight the root cause -
don't around with the PC distraction.

>How many people have been beaten, shot killed and tortured for speaking
>out against racism?  All you people that are turning your backs on PC

   And now these same people will be labeled as not being PC.

>need to realize that if there was equality in every aspect of our society
>there would be no need for PC. PC is just a small step in the evolution

   EXACTLY!  This should tell you PC does not work toward equality, but against
it.

>of this society. People are out for change. People of all kinds are out to
>put a fucking end to this social ignorance that infects, affects, and retards
>this country. There are only 2 types of change; 1. Evolution, 2.Revolution.

   You are a prime example of this social ignorance.  You remind me of a
young Malcom X before his enlightenment.  I just hope when you see the light
you won't be afraid to change - cause you seem like an intelligent guy.  And
the last thing we need is intelligent people pushing this PC concept that, 
without a doubt, will be turned against us like every other so called
"necessary measure" has been in the past.  YOU CAN'T DRAW A LINE IN FREE
SPEECH - ONCE YOU DO THE LINE WILL BE MOVED ON YOU!  There is a line right
now, it must be ERASED - not just moved around.

>Any close - minded, indifferent, conservative asshole can call me a communist.
>Thats the easy way out. Any body with open eyes can see that this country
>needs a big assed adjustment. As the consciousness of this country rises

   Point agreed.  But again, the adjustment is greater then what you call
for.  The line must be erased, not moved.  Attack the root, not the symptom.

>the socially igonrant as well as the culturally indifferent will feel more
>and more pressure. This post isn't directed to any one person its directed
>to anyone who is foolish enough to think that this country is as good as it 
>should be to its people. Its also directed to anyone who thinks that
>he was ever free enough to do or say whatever he wanted to do in this country
>regardless of who he offended. Igonrance is not bliss.

   We need uncensored television - there is a good start for your fight.  Maybe
just settle for European standards.  We are the "land of freedom", yet are more
censored than many societies.  Abolish the FCC.  And, I know its a crazy though,
maybe do what the contitution says.  It's a real simple, small, well-written
document and I recomend you read it.  It's unreal.  For every Point in the
Bill of Rights you can probably name atleast 3 organizations or laws in 
direct contradiction off the top of your head.  
   Rather than getting into all the SIDE issues, like PC, that THEY have laid
out for you (make no mistake, PC comes from some serious pro-censorship
ultra-right groups, and somehow intelligent people got snowed into it), maybe
spend your time v. the groups IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO THE CONSTITUTION. 
The Constitution is one hell of a great set of rules for freedom, although its
not perfect (that's why we can make amendments).
   A few first steps are VOTE INDEPENDENT.  Kick the shit out of Congress.
Vote for Perot.  Get involved.  Stomp out and boycott censorship wherever
you see it!  Support censored groups!  If the KKK needs a place to speak see
what you can do!  This is a matter of principle dammit!  If someone finally
gets the balls to realease an NC-17 movie in theaters -- SEE IT!  Make it
a blockbuster, no matter how bad it is.  Get some chains going and flood you
congressman with letters.  Set your computer up to print it out weekly.
   This is OUR country - and our government is fucking us in ways never 
imagined!  PC is in no way shape or form the answer, but a symptom of the
problem.  You want a real change?  Stop voting for politics!  Stop voting for
your same brain-dead congressman.  I fucking love the way "78% of the people
want change", Clinton wins on change, BUT CONGRESS STAYS THE SAME!  What the
hell?!?  My theory is the majority of people don't know who their encumbant
is, so they didn't HOW to "vote the rascals out."  It's my only explanation.
Anyway, get out and DO something - and stump out this PC shit before it
spreads as censorship, or it will become a war between anti-white racism and
anti-minority racism!  A good way out is to combine the anti-PC movement
with the anti-cencorship movement and the cival rights movement -- cause they
are all the same damn thing!  

>Jason Gregory
>So. Political Science
>Iowa State University

Jason West
CS guy.

BTW:  As far a big brother watching, believe me he is - but that's a  different
topic.  But I'll tell you right now I can get all your addresses, SS number,
credit record, criminal record, working record, and some personal history. 
This too is a cival rights issue.

pps:  Don't respond by email -- i don't get my mail right now for some reason.
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