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>From bergerson@cvdv79.mrgate.vaxdev.umc Tue Jan  5 05:34 PST 1993
>
>you are pretty brave sitting back there behind your little terminal firing off
>these insults and such to someone you know nothing about.  I'd like to see what
>you would say to me if it was in person.  Why don't you just lay off, buddy.

My point exactly.  You sit at your little terminal telling people you don't
know to 'fuck off'.  You respond to my original post (which did not insult
you) with a really vulgar email.  You don't know me from Adam.  In my
opinion you are a hypocrit.

>You have no idea what I am like in person.  Everything that I have written has
>been in good humor.  Then losers like you, that tom wolf dude, and that 
>hugh bishop guy jump all over me.  I thought that your remarks about the sheep
>were uncalled for.  They just showed me what kind of a person that I am dealing
>with.  Get a life.  I'd give anything to be able to stand in your face and then
>see what kind of stupid remarks you'd have to say.  I don't need this from
>dorks like you.

Good humor?  Uh-huh.  As for the sheep - its name is kim.  You can try to
figure out the sex if you want.  As for you, based on your insulting posts
I figured that this was about your speed.  I think the sheep is a football
fan, so this could be magic.

I've got a life thanks.

I'd enjoy seeing you 'in my face'.  I'm 6'2", 250 Lbs.  I spent 5 years in
the 82nd Airborne (The All Americans).  I can mess you up in ways you have
never thought of.  Don't screw with me anymore.  I've got a couple good
friends up in St. Paul who owe me a favor or two.  One more e-mail from
you and your liable to wind up in a snow drift on your way home from work
one night.  Or, if you'd rather, you can fly out to Fremont CA and I'll 
take care of this in person.

ps - merry xmas and have a happy new year

Don Boell



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From: rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bills, 9'ers
Date: 10 Jan 93 02:02:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

Well, let's hope that Miami wins: Buffalo vs. Miami rematch.
And, Philly: Philly vs. S.F. rematch.
          
While Dallas vs. S.F. would alos be interesting..... 
Buffalo vs. S.D. would be a sleeper. (Go Miami!)

Super Bowls?
9 matchups:

(1) Buffalo vs S.F. - great game, has S.F. improved enough to win?
                      Can Young win a Super Bowl? Will Montana play?
                      Will Kelly? 
(2) Buffalo vs Dallas - Thomas vs Smith, will Dallas choke without
                        experience? will the Bills choke worse?
(3) Buffalo vs Philly - TWO WILDCARDS - amazing - slim chance
(4) Miami vs S.F. - already seen it, Miami is dead
(5) Miami vs Dallas - Marino has expierience. Achyman has diapers.
(6) Miami vs Philly - Miami O vs Philly D, interesting
(7) S.D. vs S.F. - S.F. blowout, boring
(8) S.D. vs Dallas - Dallas win, boring
(9) S.D. vs Philly - Philly win, boring


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From: blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (MJW/TWF)
Subject: Re: Dallas on Real Grass
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:47:27 GMT

In article <3304@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>In article <1isolrINNko5@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:
>>10-25 at Raiders    1-0
>>11-22 at Phoenix    2-0
>>12-6  at Denver     3-0
>>12-13 at Washington 3-1
>>
>You forgot the loss at Philadelphia, which makes them 3-2.  'Course, they
>shoulda won the Redskins game . . . :^)  But I'm glad they didn't, since
>that would have meant Green Bay in the playoffs, and the Vikings coming to
>Texas Stadium, and we would have been denied the pleasure of knocking the
>Eagles out of the playoffs for the second straight year.


Unless things have changed, the Vet has an astroturf, not real grass,
field.


Mark
Go Dallas
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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: My NFL Playoff Predictions
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:08:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.171258.28761@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
>In article <_!92fl@rpi.edu> root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon) writes:
>
>>Let's face it, the Chargers play in a pussy division, even the NFC Central
>>is better, and if you really want to compare Humphries and crew with 
>>Marino and his bunch, go ahead, the only people that would pick the
>>SD crew would be Charger fans.
>>
>>The ONLY real advantage the Chargers have is defense, the 2 teams may tie
>>on running games, but that's it. Defense, in most cases, 
>>wins championships. The last Steeler SB victory is an example of a 
>>great offense winning it, their defense was average, but the offense
>>was superb.
>>
>
>I don't know about their division and I haven't seen the chargers
>enough to judge how worthy they are. However I did, just last year,

The 'Bolts have played very well over the last several months.  The
big knock that people put on them was that they didn't beat a
playoff team.  Well, they beat K.C. and have as many playoff wins
over the last 10 years as the Eagles. :-)

>watch them come back against the Fins, in the forth quarter,  and help
>knock them out of the playoffs. I also know that for the longest time
>the Chargers (along with the Raiders) were one of the few teams that
>had a winning record against the Fins. I hope the Fins remember that
>game last year and come out with revenge on their minds and a
>willingness to play the entire sixty minutes of football. If they're
>not ready they are going to lose again.
>
>The Fins have been so strange
>this year. I don't see a single team in the playoffs that could beat

Do you count NFC teams as part of your playoffs?  If so, ANY of the
four NFC teams, if they play well, COULD beat Miami, even if they
play well.
If you comments are restricted to the AFC, maybe you are right :-)
(I'll let AFC affiliates handle that.)

>the Fins if they are having a good day. On the other hand, I don't see
>a single team the Fins could beat if they are having even a mediocre
>day let alone a bad one.
>
>The chargers aren't going to roll over and
>die and Arnsbarger is probably going to get his troops just a little
>pumped up don't you think?
>
>I just want to see a good game. I don't

Me too.

>want to see another totally heartless losing effort that the Fins are
>so capable of. 
>
>Tony (go san diego) Travaglini
>tech@cs.ucf.edu


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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan )
Subject: Re: Whose fans are most frustrated?
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:41:41 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Being a Viking fan and also a lot of liking towards the Browns is
indeed very frustrating, eventhough the Vikes have made decent
strides this year, even without a real QB. 

It seems to me that if the Vikes do not win then they kill themselves
with suicidal trades (The Walker trade).  I only hope that they
do not do the same thing this off season for a quick fix QB.

I want to see whether in my lifetime the Vikes will atleast win
1 super-Bowl.  One half of my dream is fulfilled (A Minnesota Twins
World Series win): Now I am waiting and praying for the second half
a Viking Super Bowl win and also a Browns' Super Bowl win.

God alone knows when that will happen.

S.H

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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Thursday, 7 Jan 1993 15:08:44 EST
From: Nathan Owen <32BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Mike Sherrard Predictions

Mike Sherrard is a free agent.  I predict that he will go to the Packers.
It would be the perfect match.  He would be going to a system where there is
a great need for a wide receiver, and a system in which he would be
extremely familiar with.

I'm not sure, but I can imagine he would take a starting job over his current
backup status any day.  He would be familar with almost the whole coaching
staff of Green Bay.  He is the type of wide reciever I can envision getting
a thousand yards for the Pack, even though Sharpe is playing the other
side of the field.


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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Running out the clock with the R&S
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  6 JAN 93 12:31:05    

In article <C0Eooz.BKJ@NeoSoft.com>, claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes...

>Just so you all know:  Houston-ites have been asking
>Pardee about this for (at least) two years, and he
>has consistently answered that he doesn't lack for
>large bodies, that he has experimented with what you
>suggest, and it just doesn't work out that way.  The
>arguments:
>1.  take a fast little guy out of the line-up,
>    even on a down which calls for a run, even
>    when down near the goal-line, and the defense
>    gets to put (at least) one more bruiser up
>    near the line; also
>2.  from time to time he suggests that the Oilers
>    are confused enough as it is, and can't handle
>    a new set of formations.
>If some of the personalities were different, in a
>couple of weeks we'd be praising Coach Pardee as a
>sage who inculcates excellence in his way, even if
>it's not universally applicable.  My best guess is
>that he's right about the narrow point:  formations
>with tight ends would not help this team.

Pardee is probably right.  He is an NFL head coach after all.  In fact 
he's the most successful R&S coach in the NFL so he'd have to be 
considered *the* expert.

So if a 6 lineman formation isn't going to help the R&S what are we 
left with?  I'm not convinced that the R&S can be used to run out the 
clock.  I'm aware of the argument about Houston having a good time of 
possession stat but that's not the same as being able to run out the 
clock.

For instance, 8 possessions of 4 minutes each looks the same in TOP 
stats as 4 possessions of 8 minutes each.  I'm sure that real data to 
show what Houston's TOP stat is made up of is not available and if it 
was, it'd be a tremendous job to get any real information from it.  
We'd need to know what the average lenght of a drive was for Houston 
when ahead by maybe 10+ points in the 2nd half.

I doubt that anybody is going to be able to figure that out.  I'd be 
interested in finding out if Oiler fans feel that the Oilers have a 
hard time running out the clock.  I haven't seen the Oilers play enough 
to make a subjective judgement like that.  What about it Oiler fans?  
Does it seem to you that the Oilers have had trouble preserving leads?

JGH

PS: I'm not trying to say that the R&S is a crummy offense and that 
Houston should dump it.  I'm just saying it may have a flaw.
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From: kschnitz@encore.com (Kevin Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: Cowboys KILL Eagles
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:30:22 GMT

rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K) writes:
>And you're a typical Eagles fan, your team loses and you
>resort to name calling, real mature.  I posted an article
>about the game and my opinion about the Eagles' strategy.

Oh clueless fuck, you are the one that started the name calling.  
You did in no way post an article about the Eagles' strategy -- you
went straight to name calling, a petty, classless action considering
the thrashing we took.

>If you don't like it, either discuss it rationally or shut
>your trap.

You've been exposed as a lying, name-calling, little braggart and
*now* you want to talk rationally.

>>Trash-talking is trash-talking, whether it was before or after the
>>game.  If you have something insightful to say, then say it.  And
>>since I didn't woof, your accusations are foundless.

>I had something insightful to say, and I said it.  

I will say it again.  You used the Cowboys victory to slam the
Eagles and you didn't add anything original or insightful.

And I quote from <1is1b0INN9gm@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>:
>... the Cowboys' fans, will keep our mouths shut.  After all, you don't
>win games, especially playoff games, by talking trash!!

>You didn't like
>it so instead of offering your opinion you've done nothing but attack
>me.  Tell me, what have you offered in terms of football information
>or even opinion?  Did you even watch the game?

He simply exposed your opinion for what it was: classless fan-speak
from a frightened little automaton.  Yeah, you won, but you bring
down the rest of the Cowboy fans.

Congratulations to the rest of the Cowboys supporters.
--
Kevin Schnitzius                         Eagles -- Not America's Team, 
kschnitzius@encore.com                             they're better than that.
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Team of Frustrations: Cleveland Browns
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 11 JAN 93 14:49:46    

In article 3EE@cs.psu.edu, nousek@astro.psu.edu (John A. Nousek) writes:
>While the Browns had a lot of success in the pre-Super Bowl days,
>they have the unquestioned lead in one area of frustration.  They
>are 0-6 in the game before the Super Bowl.  While most people
>remember the three notable losses to Denver of the recent past,
>and a few commented on the losses to Minnesota and Baltimore in
>the old NFL title games, no one seems to remember that Cleveland
>lost the title game to Green Bay, just before the first Super Bowl.

That's because it didn't happen.

The NFL title game for the 1966 season was between Green Bay and 
Dallas, played on January 1, 1967.  The first Superbowl was 14 days 
later.  

>That was Jim Brown's last game, and one of the crucial plays was
>a Frank Ryan potential TD pass that bounced off his hands on a
>cold and muddy day in Green Bay.

On January 2, 1966 the Green Bay Packers defeated the Cleveland Browns 
23-12 in the NFL Championship game.  Maybe it happened then.

>I am pretty sure no other team has lost as many as six of the
>games before the Super Bowl, and certainly no other team is 0-6
>at that level of competition.

I guess Cleveland would be 0-5 then.

JGH
From: statz@uumeme.chi.il.us (Louis B. Del Boccio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: HELP Info-needed
Date: 4 Jan 93 05:32:55 GMT
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix



Need help with data lost in a hard-drive crash is.

1. AFL & NFL standings for 1962-63-64-67-68-69...
2. #1 Draft choices for 1986----------------92...
   Team---Name---Posistion---School
thats it.

Will appreciate any help thanks.
 o                     send to  statz@uumeme.chi.il.us
From: smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: LIST OF FRUSTRATIONS.
Date: 7 Jan 1993 08:50:27 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <C0GB3L.5A9@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan ) writes:
>
>D) HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A PLAYOFF GAME
>---------------------------------------------------
>1) Tampa Bay
>2) Sea-Hawks

I seem to remember a few years ago a big deal was being made about the
only two teams having never been to the playoffs being Seattle and New
Orleans.  I also thought I remembered Seattle making it one year in the
80's.  We all *know* New Orleans has been.  8-)  Maybe I'm mistaken,
though, about Seattle...

Steve Mansfield                   Junior AlterNet Engineer 
smm@uunet.uu.net                  uunet!smm
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Time to stop flaming and start playing!
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:48:52 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

Well, it's been an interesting week of flames and counter-flames,
interrupted with the (sadly) unavoidable, sporadic interjection
of sensible arguments and analysis.  But it's time to stop talking
and start playing -- not that we do any of the real playing, of
course.

Good luck to everybody, and may the best team win!  (That way, I
know that the Pokes are a lock!)  See everybody on Monday for the
bragging and slagging.

Daniel Welch
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: REDSKINS
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:32:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.053529.13604@wam.umd.edu> macole@wam.umd.edu (The Dude) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.225922.22654@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>Your rationale has me confused???? Do you think the Cowboys or
>>Eagles would want to trade for Young for the playoffs. I don't
>>think so. Again, your mind is made up that Washington does not
>>have a great QB. BTW, their QB did win the SB MVP didn't he?
>>
>
>Yeah, your right...Didn't Milli Vanilli win a Grammy?
>
Sure Did. And they can dance too!
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From: macole@wam.umd.edu (The Dude)
Subject: Re: All this America's team nonsense.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:23:20 GMT

In article <C0DzJH.F9t@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan ) writes:
>I hear that the Boys are going to be featured on Wheaties for
>winning the NFC-East!!!. Give me a break. 
>

Hey could be worse...they could be doing a music video (AAARRRRGGGGG)

>Now this is getting totally ridiculous. I shudder to think of
>what monkeying the media will do even if the Boys win their
>next game with the Eagles, leave alone winning the Super-Bowl.
>
Start shuddering....it's gonna get worse whether or not they win.

>All this America's team crap is an insult to fans of other teams.
>Being a die-hard Viking fan, I take personal insult and any true
>fan of other teams will agree with me.  

Well, that explains why you are so pissed...the Vikes had their chances at
glory, but that corpse of a coach...what's his face...the dude before Green...
anyways, I hate this America's team crap too...but it is not the doing of the
Cowboys..it's the media...and of course when you do outrageous stuff like the
JJ's did, you tend to get some tremendous media coverage.  Face it, the 
Cowboys are the only team to sell out all games...home and away.  So teams
like Phoenix can at least sell out one game a year. :-)  
>
>To the media-monkeys: Please keep the Boys' drooling to urself
>We don't need this nonsense.
>
>S.H
>NOTHING BETTER THAN GANG GREEN BEATING THE HELL OUT OF THE
>OVERRATED BOYS!!!
>
Hmm...from everything I've been hearing from such fun-loving fans as yourself,
it seems that they are underrated...I guess they are just lucky to win the
division...and everyone else just played good football to get where they are.

The Cowboys may be overrated...but they are good..damn good...their record
states it...the stats show it...and what they have achieved in the past few
years proves it.  Super Bowl or not...the JJ's can form a team from nothing
and piss people off.  The rise in emotions from others show how good they are,
because if they weren't that good...you wouldn't be upset.

From a Cowboys fan who lives in the middle of 'Skins country and thus far...
lovin' it.

Mario

k

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From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Is the run-and-shoot finished?
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:37:47 GMT

In article <1i9jdcINNgkg@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
>What I have heard since the Buffalo game on the radio shows... 
>
>1. The R & S will stay.       (stupid move 1.)
Maybe
>2. Pardee will not be let go. (stupid move 2.)
Pardee will stay if the R&S stays. Doesnt take a lot of brains to figure this
out. I say drop the R&S, and bring on Ditka! 

>3. The Special teams coach will probably be made the scapegoat, and fired.
And rightfully so.

>4. Where was Lorenzo White in the second half ??????

>5. People are fed up, they will cancel season tickets in droves. (smart move
1)
NOT. I have great seats! I'm not about to give them up. But what will hurt is
the increase in price Bud Adams will probably have.

>6. One Houston resident took his 9mm to the TV set in OT. 
And I thought Dallas fans were stupid.

>7. Dallas has undisputed bragging rights of Texas. 
Well, now they do.

   (we new that all along)
>
>Go Cowboys !!!
>tim
>



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From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:23:42 GMT
Subject: Championship predictions
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

Predictions for championship games         

DAL at SF - this will be a tough game.  Young has not looked good in his
last couple starts.  DAL has the #1 D against the rush.  Meanwhile, SF's D
is also good against the rush and is much better against the pass then many
think.  I hope SF wins.  However, I think DAL has a real shot at this.

I'll say Dallas by 3.

BUF at MIA - Miami has not been tested yet, beating the Chargers who got to
the playoffs via a 5th place schedule.  The Bills are still banged up.  The
Bills have got a tough game on their hands - its hard to win 1 game in Miami
in a season let alone 2.

I'll say Miami by 6.

SB is DAL vs MIA.  Could be a real good game.

Don

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From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: Re: Thoughts and predictions?????
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 20:13:03 GMT


>NFC Games.                          AFC Games.

>   Washinton       14                  San Diego   27
>at San Francisco   31               at Miami       17


I think it will be closer:
   San Francisco  21                    Miami       28
   Washington     20                    San Diego   17

>   Philadelphia    27                  Buffalo     10
>at Dallas          24               at Pittsburgh  31

    Dallas          23                  Buffalo     34
    Philadelphia    17                  Pittsburgh  14



>   Dallas         14                   Buffalo     28
>at San Francisco  10                at Miami       20


>                         S U P E R B O W L
>            Dallas     14          Buffalo   24       


I hope my predictions are wrong and that the 49ers are in the Superbowl and 
that they beat Buffalo or whoever is there.
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