HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Young and Restless
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:21:26 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Apr10.152607.8428@sarah.albany.edu> ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.191753.10184@topaz.ucq.edu.au> chishtim@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
>>Whenever I read Pakistan Bulletin Board, I find either a
>>religous, or a political war in progress.
>>
>>Can we make a better use of this facility ?

>Assalamoalaikum
>
>	The point of the Pakistan newsgroup is to discuss things which
>are important and relevant to Pakistanis (not to slight our Indian
>counterparts in this newsgroup :) .   When you have such a large group
>of people, disagreements are inevitable.  It would not be prudent to

	   I find myself in agreement with Ms. Sohrawardy. We learn most
by being exposed to different ideas and scholarly debate. The current
discussion on burqa and the exemplary approach of Mr. Hyder and Ms.
Sohrawardy is usenet scholarship at its best. I have been most
impressed by both of them.

>Eventually I suppose, when the
>disagreement comes down to a repetition of the basic ideas, people should
>probably agree to disagree (strictly IMHO).
>Khudahafiz
>Yasmin
	   The stagnant discussions on Ahmadiyya is an example of a
unproductive "war". However, as long as there are a couple of people
who want to take the time to write articles for no one to read, the
rest of us have no right to flame them.

Salman [minted memories] Azhar


-- 
 I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
 I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
 I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
 I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar
From: hassan@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Eagle Squad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Qadiyani's and Pak Consulate
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:28:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	I had to get my passport renewed at the New York Embassy.
	To get it done they made me fill out a form "s".  It contained 
	the following lines ;

	"...I believe that prophet Muhammad was the last messenger and
	will not accept any recent claims to prophet hood by anyone.  I
	aslo firmly believe that neither Ahmedi`s nor Qadiyani`s are 
	muslims....."

	Having little knowledge about the Ahmedi`s and the Qadiyani`s
	I am not in a postion to say much, but the Pakistani Govt does
	NOT regard them as muslims.  Therefore I DO NOT regard them as 
	muslims.


E.G.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: 'burqa and muslim women'
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 00:24:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr09.233312.25564@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid) writes:
>>I most emphatically do not believe that a woman must obey her husband. 
>                
>
>Now, this is stunning. In a friendly environment a husband 
>can live with it otherwise Ms.  I can only whistle.

Why is this so stunning?  I'm completely at a loss here.  What do you
mean?

Khudahafiz

Yasmin


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: vu0208@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (!!)
Subject: Re: 'burqa and muslim women'
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:34:25 GMT

In article <92100.05173032JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>Salam Alaikum :   Of course pardah and muslim women

> Aina ma kuntum howa maakum (wherever u are he is with u, if u are two He is
> three, if u r 4 He is the 5th ).

So khan saheb (@davidson) you were right:
  
     2 + 2 = 5

Mr. Jafry has just proved it! (just a pun, hope God forgives me)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ts2@cec2.wustl.edu (Talha Siddiqui)
Subject: Re: Have you driven a Floyd,lately?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:49:04 GMT

In article <mirza.703286856@pegasus.sce.carleton.ca> mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza) writes:
>ts2@cec2.wustl.edu (Talha Siddiqui) writes:
>
>>In article <mirza.703114458@pegasus.sce.carleton.ca> mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza) writes:
>>>msaeed@isis.cs.du.edu (Sajid Saeed (Floyd? Nah!!!)) writes:
>>>
>>>>Interesting discussion we havin' at Pink Floyd's expense! Anyone else care to
>>>>join, or is it just me and...
>>>
>>>>				sajid [Sniper at the gates of Pasadena!] Saeed
>>>
>>>
>>>assalam alikum
>>>
>>>No i haven`t since i know that it actually means F(l)ix Ol(y) Repail Daily/
>>>Monthly/Yearly.
>>>
>>>I can't understand why Pink Floyd, why not Aziz Mian???
>>		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>> To keep buffoons like you off the Net! Or did Aziz mian also do ACID???
>
>>>khuda hafiz.
>>>
>>>all standard disclaimers apply.
>>>
>>>Murad[Ghalib'e'Waqt]Mirza. 
>>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>But what about Pinky...Ghalib...alive...kicking ???
>
>>Talha Siddiqui.
>
>assalam alaikum
>
>Anyway who the buff#$@ are you? to say such buffuuunery!!
		^^^^^^^			     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think your intelligence speaks for itself!!!

>watch your words when you write!!!

or else...?

>
>khuda hafiz
>
>and Ghalib had a reality and integrity problem too!
>
>Murad[your faithfuul servant]Mirza.       
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: towfiq@FTP.COM (Mark Towfiq)
Subject: PROMINENT IRANIAN BAHA'I EXECUTED
Followup-To: soc.rights.human
Reply-To: towfiq@FTP.COM
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:25:14 GMT

  [I had already posted this article to some other newsgroups, but it
   was suggested to me that this might be of interest to our Pakistani
   and Indian friends; please note followups go to soc.rights.human-mmt]

		 PROMINENT IRANIAN BAHA'I EXECUTED--
	     Islamic Regime Renews Religious Persecution

Washington, D.C.--Representatives of the American Baha'i community
today announced that a prominent Iranian Baha'i, Bahman Samandari, was
secretly executed in Tehran on March 18 and was buried two days later
in an unmarked grave in a Tehran cemetery.  Authorities refuse to
disclose the location of the gravesite.

Mr. Samandari, a businessman active in the Baha'i community, is the
first Baha'i executed since December, 1988.  No charges have been
announced; there was apparently no trial.

U.S. Baha'i spokesman Firuz Kazemzadeh did not directly link the
execution to tomorrow's Iranian parliamentary elections, but noted a
decades-long pattern by which Iranian authorities facing domestic or
foreign challenges have permitted or encouraged attacks on Baha'is,
Iran's largest religious minority.

The Baha'i Faith is not recognized as a legitimate religion in Iran
and Baha'is have no constitutional rights in Iran.  Since the Islamic
regime took power, more than 200 Iranian Baha'is have been executed on
account of their religion.

Dr. Kazemzadeh expressed "grief and distress at the manner in which
Mr. Samandari was murdered by the authorities who did not even have
the decency of according him a trial, did not announce any charges,
executed him the day after his arrest, failed to release his body to
his bereaved widow and buried it secretly in an unmarked grave."

"Thus hypocrisy covers up murder," Kazemzadeh declared, noting that
Iranian authorities "claim to the world that no Baha'is have been
persecuted for their beliefs."

Mr. Samandari was summoned to Evin prison on March 17, ostensibly to
sign certain documents.  His widow learned of his death on April 5,
when authorities gave her a document said to be a copy of his will
dated March 18.

In 1987, Mr. Samandari and four other Baha'is were imprisoned for two
months, charged with holding Baha'i meetings in the Samandari home.
All were released after paying a large cash bail and giving
authorities the title to Mr. Samandari's home.

"This latest act of inhumanity stresses the need for continuing
international vigilance and pressure in support of the rights of
Iranian Baha'is," Kazemzadeh said.  "American Baha'is appeal to their
government and to all their fellow citizens to register a vigorous
protest."
--
Mark Towfiq, FTP Software, towfiq@FTP.COM, W:+1 617 224 6275, H:+1 617 488 2818
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Can science come back to Islam [Part 2]
Date: 6 Apr 1992 11:34:15 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <11780@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.141946.7468@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu> vu0208@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (??) writes:
>>
>>Whole Quran is full of scientific information from astronomy to
>>medical science...! Before even Kepler, Copernicus, or Galileo
>>muslims knew from Quran that earth (or even sun) is not the center of
>>the universe, earth is not flat, the universe is expanding, stars die
>>and decay producing  dwarfs or blackholes, and much more stuff that
>>my friend science have *yet* to discover!
>>
>>
>
>Somehow I get this feeling that Quran mentioning dwarfs and blackholes
>is an exaggeration. Modern science has not yet fully understood these
>bodies. Does the Quran give any more information on them apart from 
>what is already known today.

I am alos wary of the attempts which try to find substantiation
of unproven theories in Quran. Who knows another fact may come
up, debunking the whole theory (eg. what   photo-emission  and
couple of others did to the classical theory of electro-magnetism).
Then all such people will be running around trying to take
back what they have written. Some time back, I tried to say
the same thing about the effort to find substantiation
evolution in Quran. 

However, there is nothing wrong by taking the cue and trying
your ownself to get to the facts based on Quran.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
From: cnar08@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Looking for URDU Wordprocessor *****
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:43:43 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

I am looking for an URDU wordprocessor.

I already have INTEXT but I am having problems printing on my
dot matrix printer (Epson LQ570).

Does anyone out there know of a good urdu wordprocessor.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nadeem@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Nadeem Hussain)
Subject: Re: Nadeem ka Khat Khan kay javab mein
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:26:48 GMT

mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza) writes:
>>A wonderful story ... mera nam to kahii salo se badnam he ... ab to khial
>>rakhne ka koie faida nahee ... (by the way could somebody post the
>>standard English for Urdu letters)

>>I do cook a great dal though ... 

>Good!good! i like dal, but meri dal gulti hi nahi (english - my lentils
>soup is dangerous for light stomached).

>khuda hafiz
>Murad Mirza.

Taqreeban aik ghanta pakna chaeea

Nadeem.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jamal@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jamal Mubarak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Qadianism: New Aspects
Date: 4 Apr 92 10:06:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: engin._Zh+#D-
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Apr03.192310.44203@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana) writes:
>
>Dear Mr. Mubarak:
>
>Me and Mr. Noor have not backed off. We have said enough on KHATAM, it
>seems you do not want to understand the correct meaning of KHATAM.

Obviously!

>Probably other sensible netters understood our point. We will not waste
>any further time on this. Go back and read mine and Mr. Noor's articles
>on KHATAM, again and again, we hope you understand what we are trying to say.

Perfectly!

>The Debate for Khatam-e-Nabuwwaat is over. Because you your self are
>waiting for a Massenger from Allah (Promised Messiah and Mahdi). After
>you have accepted that, it means, you under stand that Prophethood continues!

You know, you have a great sense of humor.

>        Nabeel Ahmad Rana, (Never Argue with me!)     |    /\    |

Jamal [] Mubarak
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Nadeem ka Khat Khan kay javab mein
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:46:35 GMT

nadeem wrote a khat earlier >Noor........, people can read it full of
incredible ghilazat for mr. khan urf phoond.  i was terribly shocked.
nadeem aapna nahin tou aapnay nam ka khial karo.

you (nadeem) can feed on the following:

nu addition to amer's old list.

"A terribly ghaleez accident at Stanford residences happened"

A paki who was invited to a BYOD party was saved in the nick of time.
The story is that nadeem went to this Bring Your Own Dal party, on
the way he picked up Russian Dhamaka, from the Dal store.  The neighbors
say that they saw him entering his room at 2:00 am, smelling like $$$$.

A huge explosion was heard miles away, fire dept. was notified of the
smell emanating and of the impending danger, they came prepared.  
nadeem had mentioned to the neighbors earlier that he always 
wanted to die in the bathroom  (see >Noor .... for this Khawhish of nadeem).

The neighbors were expecting the worst, they thought sui ki cynide kha ker
nadeem ney khawish poori ki.  Laikin shukar hua keh only the WC was destroyed
(paat kay parakhchay uurh GaAay) and nadeem was found lying in a pool of
$$$$ safe and sound, only head and shoulder were bruised, as the incredilble 
thrust had shot him up to the roof.

From then on it is heard that he has started saying that "Iss zillat ki
zindagi say Chulu bhar pani mein doob marna behtar hay" and has tried   
flushing himself down the rebuilt WC twice.

from MIRZA's diary.  (!!)(::)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: purdah/burqa/veel(re: Yazmasterej)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:35:26 GMT

assalam alaikum

again you have articulated yourself well!!!(subhanallah).  sorry for
my jumping to conclusions, your name seemed quite tempting to be related
to the marhoom prime minister Suhrwardy.  So this was the context of
Fathers and grandfathers, and it came out like that because of your
comments about Sexy Males which I guess have now become common and
since now you have very emotionally detailed that you are a commoner like 
me therefore I take my comments back whole and soul.

just one correction, by small details I meant comprehensive infact, I
shud have said 'every small detail,' instead. I wud try reading Maulana's
books in time of fursat, rest I base on my current knowledge and observations.

Other thing is since I did not finish my article therefore continuing
from where I left (refer to article burqa, women ...):

Coming back to the real world issues, since you talk about ManChesters
therefore accordingly only star studed Schwarznegger and Imran Khan
and may be Hulk Hogan with MachoMan would have a chance, poor people
like Dustin Hoffman, Dudley Moore and Mickey Rooney would have moved
to Japan, and likes of Danny DeVitos would be called THE REAL LOSERS.

Real power flows from brains and hearts which are hidden somewhere in
the whole rigmarole, or else saaray smallchesters sirf riaya bun kar
rehtay aur badshah manchester hotay.

Time to go. rest later may be.

Murad Mirza.
From: ssh@andante.att.com (syed s haider)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Did this happen to you, too ?
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:06:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&t bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ

In article <2291@news.duke.edu> shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat) writes:
>
>
>On a flight from Istanbul to New York, I had my (Pakistani) passport 
>confiscated by the (Turkish) airline, apparently under advice from
>US Immigration.  This also happened to the other four Pakistani passports
>on that flight.  Our passports were not recovered until just before
>the immigration counter at JFK.  Nobody explained why this happened, so
>it did cause some anxiety.  I was just wondering if this has also happened
>to other Pakistanis and also why it happens at all.
>

I'm not sure of the official reason why this happens but we can have
lots of fun trying to guess the real reasons.  This brings to mind
a couple of incidents.  The first one occured about 18 months ago
when we were suffering from Islamabad to New York via PIA.  I posted
a long tale of woe and grief about it last year, but to cut a long
story short, our plane broke down at Amsterdam and we were put up
for the night.  All passengers with non-US and non-European passports
had to surrender them under the excuse that we'd all get the Dutch visa
stamped without having to wait in immigration.  Needless to say all
Pakistanis and Turks had to go through this nonsense.  When we got
our passports back, there were no stamps.

The other story was related by a cousin who flew from Saudi Arabia to
London last month.  Exactly the same thing happened to him.  His
passport was taken from him at Jadda and returned at Gatwick.  In
reply to his questions, he was informed that it had been done to
keep his passport "safe".  I suppose in addition to all our other
faults, we're also not equipped as well as some other nationalities
to take care of our own papers.
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 08:15:20 EDT
From: Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Curses, Beliefs of Mirza Qadiyani

Salam Alaikum :

         I fail to understand that what Mirza Ghulam Qadiyani is ? Prophet, Nab
i, Paighamber ? Masiah, Masih ? 1/2 nabi, musleh, reformer ? what ? what ?  Can
 anybody help me to understand and Mr. Noor became crazy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nadeem@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Kamran Aftab)
Subject: Re: 'burqa and muslim women'
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:59:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.141815.9509@sarah.albany.edu> ys3359@sarah.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:
{deleted}
>sensitive.  He says they are not complete without having children.
>Why is a man deciding all of these things?  I have also read his
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

As we say in urdu "suwaal suwa lakh ka"  (in english - million dollar question!)



-- 
Kamran Aftab 				Stop! before you press that "r" (or R),
aftab@mech.eng.mcmaster.ca		<------- that's my e-mail address!
From: shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Zero
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:41:07 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Apr10.133525.39213@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> mausoof@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>Q. What is the most important contribution to Science by the people of Indian
>subcontinent?
>
>
>A. Nothing.
>					Saqib Mausoof


--
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Prime minister says Sweden gaining democratic freedom
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:35:01 GMT
	<1992Apr13.071623.18372@eua.ericsson.se>
	<1992Apr13.153146.3403@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>
	<1992Apr13.141709.11048@husc3.harvard.edu>
	<1992Apr14.092637.16007@eua.ericsson.se>
	<1992Apr14.095241.21964@sics.se>
	<1992Ap
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista

In article <1992Apr14.125545.21644@eua.ericsson.se> euafri@eua.ericsson.se 
(Fredrik.Ostman) writes:

   >Oh I'm sorry, what I meant was I have a democratic right to *live in* my
   >country and to *live in* my culture.

  I understand the bit about a "right", what I am wondering about is
"democratic", a word that you use freely but in a way that is more than
a little baffling. What does "democratic" add to the statement above?
And what is the intended meaning of your apparent suggestion in other
messages that not having to pay taxes is more "democratic" than having
to pay taxes?
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik.Ostman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Prime minister says Sweden gaining democratic freedom
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:13:22 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

raymond thomas pierrehumbert writes...

...alot that sounds just like Nordic Culture :-)

Apart from the economic inefficiencies of Nordic Culture, which need
no discussion after the international counter-revolution of 1989, this
is where it goes wrong, morally:

>Now, inevitably, if the state is taking your taxes and subsidizing
>something, then you gain if you are a user of that something and
>lose if you aren't. But the point is that society has decided
>that some services are so essential that they should be accessible
>to all.

Apparently, subsidies should ideally be payed to all. All gain, beacuse
all are users, and all lose because all pay taxes. Of course, some people,
all people, wnat to gain more than the others and pay less. So they
change their way of life so as to get as much subsisies as possible,
and to pay as little tax as possible. You have very strong economic
incentives to live your life this way. THIS WAY IS NOT THE WAY THE
POLITICIANS INTENDED WHEN THEY DECIDED ABOUT THE TAXES AND SUBSIDIES.
It is not the way you would have chosen to live if you had not had
these incentives. If you want to live any other way, you have to pay
twice, once for those who live the susidised way, and once for yourself.

It is obvious Swedes have a potential of increasing their democratic
freedom.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: raustein@athena.mit.edu (Yngve Koehler Raustein)
Subject: Re: You have to be rich to get the Authorities to listen.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:27:56 GMT

In article <10816@chalmers.se>, d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:

|>   About half a year ago they started something called the 071-numbers which 
|> are commercial services available from third parties on certain numbers with
|> a 071 prefix. The type of services seems to be mostly games and heavy 
|> breathing judging from the ads in the papers and calling the numbers will
|> cost you several SKr per minute. The profit is split between Televerket and 
|> the third party.
|> 
|>   I'm pretty sure that there is something similar in the US.

Yes, the 900-numbers.  (Have they introduced anything similar to the
toll free 800-numbers in Scandinavia?)

Yngve

-- 
Yngve K. Raustein		| ``We use choicest juicy chunks of fresh 
362 Memorial Drive		| Cornish ram's bladder, emptied, steamed, 
Cambridge, MA 02139		| flavoured with sesame seeds whipped into a 
617-225-7343 			| fondue and garnished with lark's vomit.''
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