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From: jsblau@panix.com (Jonathan Blau)
Subject: Re: East-Coast Defense: Chain of Command I *Spoilers*
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:20:52 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Jeffrey S. Payne <JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
























>First: Net-screwups over the last week

>Geordi was asked to increase the efficency of the warp coils needed to be
>raised 15%, not the shields.  If the shields were not optimized, *I* would
>worry.

>The phrase "other friends" was never used in the conversation between the
>Admiral and Jelico.  The transcript of that discussion is as follows:

[Other parts of post deleted]

I liked your comments on CoC I very much.  Rational, well written and
thoughtful.  Quite refreshing, compared to a lot of the garbage we've
been getting.  I get a little peeved at the speculation generated by
someone's misquote (in this case, "*other* friends") - I am constantly
amazed by how trusting, gullible and unquestioning some posters to the
r.a.s.* groups can be.  Thanks for your clear analysis.
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From: thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Chain of Command questions (light spoilers)
Date: 3 Jan 1993 20:46:23 GMT
Organization: Nope, just me.
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Sorry if one/both of these have been pounded to death out here already
(I can't keep up with *all* this traffic!), but I have two CoC questions:

(1) What was Madred's ultimate goal in torturing Picard?  After the info
he got from the drug sessions and shortly into the torture, he didn't
sound as concerned about Picard suppliying information about Minos Corva
anymore, but more with Picard admitting to five lights were there were
four.  Was he working on breaking Picard's hold on reality (a la 1984)
so that the Cardassians could implant some "reality" of their own before
returning him to the Federation -- maybe implanting something(s) that
would make Picard-commanding-the-Enterprise a beneficial circumstance
for the Cardassians?

(2) Okay, so Jellico wasn't conspiring to hand Picard over.  But what
about the Admiral?  She never appeared after her subspace talk with
Jellico.  So?  Was she (in shady cooperation with Cardassians) using
Jellico and the metagenic threat to ship Picard over to the Cardassians,
for whatever reasons?  Is there any way to know?  Will this ever come up
again?

Any answers/speculations would be appreciated, and empty flames ignored.
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From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Jellico for Captain -- NOT
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:05:18 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1hl1apINN8lh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Bill Henley) wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, based on the ending of Chain of Command II, the rumor
> that Paramount is grooming Ronny Cox (Jellico) for permanent
> Captain on TNG is still credible.  (After Part One I thought
> he might turn out to be a traitor, which presumably would
> remove him from consideration.)  Does anyone have any inside
> information as to whether this is in fact under consideration
> if Patrick Stewart decides to quit at the end of his contract?
> I would like to know so that I can send a protest letter to
> Paramount if necessary.  Although Jellico was not quite as
> obnoxious a character in Part II as Part I, I really don't
> want to watch his adventures every week; I would rather see
> Riker take over as permanent captain.  (I realize there are
> people who actually like Jellico and would like to see him
> stay around, and they have a right to their opinion; but so
> do I.)

Riker taking over would be completely NOT normal.  It doesn't work that
way.  XO's have to take a smaller ship before getting the Flag Ship.  If
they give it to Riker, they will lose all sense of normalcy with me and I
will stop watching the show.  

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From: det@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: 25 Dec 1992 19:00:07 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <rawdon.725308100@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>For instance, Gene Roddenberry has claimed that his two creations - Kirk and
>Picard - reflected himself and/or his interests at different stages of his
>life.  Given that he is male, it seems reasonable that he would choose males
>to reflect that.

There was a third Roddenberry clone - Wesley Crusher.  Interestingly,
Wesley was originally Leslie Crusher in the early casting outline, a
15 year old girl.  But Leslie (or Wesley, Gene's middle name) was
according to Gene, "me at seventeen.  He is the things I dreamed of
being and doing."  This character switched genders several times
when the series was being fleshed out.

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From: aa317@Freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Porter)
Subject: English vs. Universal Translators
Reply-To: aa317@Freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Porter)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:19:47 GMT


I think you people have it backwards--the reason why everybody in the
galaxy speaks English (and doesn't seem to need a translator) is that
English _is_ the Galactic Standard.  Yeah, that's the ticket--See, these
aliens crash-landed in England hundreds of years ago, and naturally
continued speaking their language of birth, see, and since they never let
on that they were from another planet everybody just assumed...  ;-)

P.S. Ever wonder about Prince Charles' ears?  He's actually evolved
(devolved?) from Ferengi stock...

-- 
Cheers, Mike
From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Chain of Command, Part II"
Date: 24 Dec 1992 00:30:26 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Keywords: TNG, Cardassians, Picard, torture

tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:

Lots, including one major error in the synopsis that several people have
pointed out.  Please change "Madred" to "Lemec" throughout the paragraph 
following the Ctrl-L.  Thanks!

Tim

>WARNING:  The following post contains intense spoilers for "Chain of Command, 
>Part II" that the faint of heart may find disturbing.  Proceed with caution.








>Riker and Geordi swoop into the nebula in their shuttle and plant the mines 
>on the Cardassian ships.  Once they have returned, Jellico signals a very 
>angry Gul Madred on the Reklar.  "I'm not going to argue with you, Gul 
>Madred.  Every one of your ships has a mine on its belly, my finger's on the 
>button, and you're in a _very_ bad position."  After the weakness of the 
>situation becomes apparent, Madred agrees to all of Jellico's terms, 
>including the immediate release of Picard.

Again, that should be *Lemec* in that situation, not Madred.  Carry on.

Tim Lynch
From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "Chain of Command -1" (spoil
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:45:16 GMT
Organization: McGill University

>
>  As far as the implications of this episode are concerned, this should prove,
>beyond a doubt, that Star Fleet is a military organization.  Not a very good
>one, but military nonetheless.  Of course, the tree huggers out there who
>happen to like startrek will remain unconvinced, but who cares.  Proof is
>proof.
>
In "Tomorrow is Yesterday", Kirk described Star Fleet as a "combined
service".  Meanwhile, Gene Roddenberry insisted that Star Fleet was not
military and gave the example of a Cruise Line for comparison.  In
conclusion then, Star Fleet can be considered a Navy, Coast Guard and
Cruise Line combined in which both explorers/diplomats like Picard and
kick ass military men like Jelico or Kirk can feel at home.

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From: demillo@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Robert DeMillo )
Subject: Re: Emmy for Patrick Stewart
Organization: M.I.T. Lincoln Lab: Fine Food and Coffee
	<1hkgj4INNqsb@transfer.stratus.com> <1hqp9rINN1t8@early-bird.think.com>
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:57:08

In article <1hqp9rINN1t8@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:

>In article <1hkgj4INNqsb@transfer.stratus.com> det@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:

>>
>>By the way, even expecting a powerful performance from Patrick Stewart,
>>I was impressed beyond my expectations.  He should get an Emmy for
>>this episode, even with the bias in favor of network offerings.
>>-- 

>I agree.  I also think he deserved an Emmy for his performance in the ST:TNG
>episode last year where he was taken over by a probe and experienced the 
>liftime of the man from the dying planet (name anyone?).

Another point of contention. Its hard for a science fiction show to
get anything other than special effects, editing and other technical
awards. (Which TNG has been constantly doing, by the way.) The
rumor is that Steward was supposed to be nominated for his performance
in both "The Last Goodbye" and "The Measure of a Man," from the 
first two seasons...it never materialized.


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From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ... an English-speaking Universe
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:08:04 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


Could it be due to the fact that the show is produced and broadcast in
a country that has English as it's main language?

-- 
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Politically Incorrect      |  all your eggs." Robert A. Heinlein
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#^%$!! Militarist          |  going to the stars." Robert A. Heinlein
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From: paradis@ERA.COM (Lisa Berkenbilt)
Subject: Other versions of the Enterprise
Organization: Engineering Research Associates, Vienna, VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:45:28 GMT

A few years ago, an intrepid group of students decided to play a hack
on a professor.  We made up the following handout for our 6.002
(Electronics) class at MIT.  It was our way of expressing our feelings
about the way the professor taught the class (based on TOS).

			THE SAGA OF 6.002
	The Story of the USS Circuitprise -- NCC 6.002
		with Captain Gerry Jay Sussman

Circuits-- the final frontier.  These are the voyages of the Starship
"Circuitprise".  Our mission: to seek out new nonlinear devices; to
explore strange, new equations; to boldly go where no Op Amp has gone
before!!

Captain's Log: Stardate 8809.13
This is the beginning of our trek to the outer reaches of circuitry.
We have just finished traveling through the Maxwell Equation galaxy.
We are now approaching the amplifier system at warp 10.

Captain's Log: Stardate 8809.30
The circuitprise conducts a routine survey mission at the planet
Diode.

RED ALERT! RED ALERT! Unidentified flying quiz approaches -- the
Circuitprise takes heavy damage!

Captain's Log: Stardate 8810.18
Repairs underway to the damage inflicted by the quiz.  Great care
taken with lab work and problem sets in a damage-control effort.

Engineering Log: Stardate 8810.19
Our engines are being strained to the limit!! I don't know how much
longer I can hold her together!!

Captain's Log: Stardate 8810.25
We return to the Op Amp system to survey the interior of the planet
741 -- at warp 9.  We are currently passing through the planetary
system transistor at maximum warp-speed.  Predict reaching the binary
Capacitor-Inductor system in the memory galaxy shortly.

RED ALERT! RED ALERT!  Before the completion of repairs, we are
attacked by yet another kamakaze quiz!  The damage seems relatively
minor, approximately B-grade, but it is too soon to be sure.

Captain's Log: Stardate 8811.29
Time is running out on our mission and there is still much to do.  We
are currently plotting a course through the system of functions
(groan) -- We resort to the Bode plotting method and forge ahead at
warp 13!!

Engineering: "This ship wasn't built to handle that kind of strain!!
You'll tear 'er apart!!"

Captain: "I need you to give me everything you can for as long as
possible, Scotty!!  It's *got* to be enough!!"

Such is the Saga of the Circuitprise -- fun, but fast!!

--Lisa
former member of the USS Circuitprise
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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: computer voice
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:41:26 GMT

In article <20553@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez033589@chip.ucdavis.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec19.193931.25535@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> tcwang@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Tom C Wang) writes:
>>I just saw a rerun of 1100101(I know I got them mixed up) on the 
>>Fox channel in DC.  I always thought the computer voice on the Enterprise
>>was female, but in this episode when the degeneration/and later regeneration
>>of the magnetic containment field was anounced and when the self-destruct
>>was engaged ( I guess throughout the whole episode), the computer's
>>voice was male.  Does anyone have any ideas?  Just curious.
>>Tom
>
>
>You see, in the episode where Picard changed history so that his fiancee didn't
>ditch him at the altar, she ended up working at Starfleet Command and 
>so in all episodes after that, the Computer is the way she programmed it (ie
>with a female voice...)
>
>Or was that another show...? Oh boy.

Yes, that was "My Mother the Car", a 1960's sitcom starring Jerry VanDyke
and Avery Shriver.  (Why hasn't "Nick at Nite" picked that one up yet?)
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From: jmitten@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James A Mitten)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female role model
Date: 24 Dec 92 04:29:08 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <92356.26496.L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> L697187@LMSC5.IS.LM
SC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>I can't remember the name of the show (I'm not as deep into the series
>as you folks are, I do really enjoy the series, however and am looking
>forward to DS9) anyway, what about that lady that designed the warp engines
>for the current Enterprise that Geordi was falling in love with on the
>hollodeck.  She seemed pretty intelligent (even if this post does not).


Leah Brahms.
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lwaxana - Who plays her?
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:45:58 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Dec22.095101.12330@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> helene@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Helene Blankespoor) writes:
>>
>>   Majel Barrett Roddenberry  [roles or rolls deleted]
>
>I have a suspision that she also played a background role in ST-IV like
>Janice Rand did in ST-III and ST-IV.
>

Sure enough, she did.  Dr. Chapel was seen, albeit briefly, in the
Earth control room during the storm.

You can also see her in the scene in the Federation Council chambers
when Sarek walks in.  She's standing in the shadows, although you can
only recognize the person as a woman in a StarFleet uniform. She and
Sarek had a scene pleaing on Kirk & Co.'s behalf. However, this was
snipped and left on the cutting room floor. (Does Nimoy mention this
in the director's series version of the STIV video?) I suspect this
was meant to be the dramatic entrance of Dr. Chapel, since she was
standing mysteriously in the shadows, not revealing who she was.

-- 
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Department of Astronomy                              Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
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From: rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech)
Subject: Re: "Green uniforms" WAS: data watch
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 12:28:49 GMT

In article <alix.725689561@pv663c.vincent.iastate.edu> alix@iastate.edu (L.A. Melloy) writes:
>Yes, I just read the TV Guide article today and noticed that the person wearing
>the green uniform was the Trill doctor.  Shouldn't she be wearing blue?  Or,
>what's everyone's speculation for THAT particular doctor to wear green.
>

I read that article also, could it be that we dont know all about this episode?
It may be that she is a doctor, but being of lets say a "employed" nature.
She may not actualy be a federation doctor lets say, and that she is working
there as part of the crew but actualy somone who is just hired by the
federation.  Im just grabbing at straws here really, but then again, we dont
know all there is to know about the episode.

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From: root@ncrbeth.BethlehemPA.NCR.COM (root)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Uniforms in Chain of Command
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:17:57 GMT
Organization: NCR-FESC BETHLEHEM, PA.

In <1992Dec26.205111.1153@mala.bc.ca> dunae@mala.bc.ca writes:


->	In Chain of Command part II, how come Dianna Troi is wearing
->a blue medical uniform?   Is it because of the new captain, or because
->counselling and phsycology is medical?
->-- 

In all or our uniformed forces, phsycology is medical!
From: jjast7+@pitt.edu (James   J Alles)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi had at least one good line! (CoC episode)
Date: 2 Jan 93 07:01:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.1310
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec22.160432.25786@tin.monsanto.com> lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.161910.16223@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen) writes:
>> 
>> From Chain of Command, in refence to the new Captain
>> 
>> Riker:  I'll say one thing for him, he's very sure of himself.
>> Troi:  No, he isn't. <--- in a very calm almost non-chalant voice
>> 
>> *This* to me is how she should be used.  She can see right past people's
>> facads and tell how they really feel, how they probably will act and why.
>> She was also useful in negotiations, being someone the others will trust
>> more easily than the Captain.  - Chuck

So far, so good - next...

>
>Uh, well, this line is completely useless and insignificant to the plot,
>as it turns out in part II!
> 
BRRZZZZZZX  Wrong!

This was the entire theme of this episode - _negotiations_!

The whole deal with the <sp?> cardassians was not espionage, or war,
but negotiations over a disputed planet - even the planting of the
mines, although a military operation, was simply one of Jellico's
impressive array of negotiating tools.

I am surprised it has not been brought up before.  The art of
negotiations - the very essence - is appearing to be completely
confident, rock-steady, while inside you might be on the worst
roller-coaster ride of you're life.

I also found the male/female component of the perception of Jellico's
true position rather interesting.  Riker said "he's very sure of
himself" despite that fact that he didn't like him, disagreed with his
leadership style, and disobeyed his orders.

Anyway, this one little exchange between Troi and Riker summarized
part I in a nutshell, and very neatly set the stage for part II - the
torture of Picard - the negotiations for his very soul.

How many lights do YOU see?

Happy New Year, and...


-- 

Peace, JA
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From: demonn@emunix.emich.edu (Kenneth Jubal DeMonn)
Subject: Re: chain of command
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:29:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.3208.18066@dosgate> "phred werenich" <phred.werenich@canrem.com> writes:
>Ok.  Sundry mild spoilers for Chain of Command (is there anyone out
>there who HASN'T seen it yet?)
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>Big question now.  The 500 Meter drop.  Remember Picard said they would
>have to repel down?  I thought repel meant use an anti-grav or some such
>thing.  Wrong.  Repel meant use rope.  No big deal right?  I mean, rope
>has worked well for thousands of years.  Why shouldn't they still have
>rope in the 24th century?
>True enough.  But how much rope would it take to "repel" 500 meters?
>That's half a kilometer.  Picard, Worf, and Crusher EACH had 500 meters
>worth of what appeared to be 1/2 inch rope on their backs?  They all
>slid down on separate ropes remember.  Mighty heavy pile of rope I would
>think.  In fact, I don't believe that you could keep half a kilometer of
>rope on your back.
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>Any mountaineers out there?  How much rope is 500M ?
>

Not to mention the thought of climbing *UP* a quarter mile of sheer cliff,
with Cardassians firing phasers at your back, for Crusher and Worf to have
made their escape. But then, an appreciation of scale (or scaling, in this
case) has never been one of Star Trek's strong points. 

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