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From: rrwest01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Asuna???
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:58:04 GMT

Well, this is getting away from "japan", but I guess it counts as "sci.lang".
I have heard that the Chevy Nova, marketed under that name, bombed in 
Mexico, as "no va" is Spanish for "it doesn't go"
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: ki ga _KORO KORO_ kawaru->Onamatapia another...
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:35:15 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

ki ga koro koro (rollowing sound made by big rocks, logs, etc?) kawaru...
      ^^^^^^^^^
		to often change one's mind...

/*ammari kuwashikunai desu kedo, sonna kanji desho...*/

My wife does this often enough sometimes I tease her calling her
korokoro-chan.  Is anyone keeping track or compilling a list of the
sci.lang.japan onematapias?  Might make a neat FAQ.  How about any
regional ones?  I remember on my shugakuryoko to Kumamoto-ken the basu
gaido told us some, but I've long since forgotten them.
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka_
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: yy@cbnews.cb.att.com (alan.j.lapenn)
Subject: Re: OTAKU
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:52:44 GMT
Summary: Otaku

In article <1992Jul27.202356.6740@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, matsui@grebe.Stanford.EDU (Matsui Toshihiro) writes:
> In article <1992Jul27.071444.21631@uwm.edu> circuit@convex.csd.uwm.edu writes:
> >	OTAKU I believe really means home, house, residence. And Otaku
> >used in slang as Computer-Otaku, Techno-Otaku, Manga-Otaku etc etc..
> >Probably refers to that fact that that's all these people do. IN other
> >words stay HOME and do their hobby all the time. 
> 
> Interesting interpretation, and almost correct.
> In fact, "OTAKU" should be used as a pronoun that refers to
> a family or group to which the person you are speaking to
> belongs.
> 
[Stuff deleted]
> Note that otaku(no) is translated into the plural form
> of "you" or "your". 
> 

My tutor, ( she is an older Japanese woman ) indicated to me that otaku really
means, "master" kind of like the mr. in english and shows that he owns whatever
otaku refers to, is this incorrect ????????? But, that this meaning has been streched to refer to what is owned by the family.

-- 
Alan LaPenn      att!mvuxd!yy          .signature not found!
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: mathias@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gerald B. Mathias)
Subject: Re: nai desu
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:43:35 GMT

In article <SAKA.92Jul23184857@zacato.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> saka@nff.ncl.omron.co.jp writes:
> I remember
>announcement on a platform in our local railroad station says:
>
>    abunai desu kara hakusen no uchigawa de o-machi kudasai.
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  - please keep outside of the white line because it's dangerous inside.
>
>More grammatically, it could be:
>
>    abunai no de hakusen no uchigawa de o-machi kudasai.
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Linking a "... no de" clause with a "... kudasai (or other imperative)"
clause is, I believe, relatively new grammar.  I am tempted to predict that
if you poll men over 60, the preferred expression would turn out to be

     abunai kara hakusen no uchigawa de o-machi kudasai.

A few years ago I had several native speakers in a class, and tested these
two sentences on them:

     samui kara mado o shimete...

     samui no de mado o shimete...

There was a clear split, with males going for "... kara ..." and females
going for "... no de ..."  I was surprised.  I had intended the experi-
ment as a demonstration to the non-native speakers in my class that "node"
clauses don't occur in requests, and did not expect any native speaker to
accept the second sentence.

Bart Mathias
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp (Daisaku Itasaka)
Subject: Re: How to apologize correctly?
Organization: NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd., Tokyo, Japan
Distribution: world 
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:14:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.140735.15876@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au>
	ccloretta@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au writes:

>What is the difference between the following ways of apologizing:
>
>sumimasen ga
>shitsurei itashimashita
>gomen nasai
>
>I usually think of sumimasen ga as "excuse me, but", and shitsurei
>itashimashita as "please excuse me", but am unsure where gomen nasai should be
>used.
>
>Am I on the right track - if not could someone please explain the differences
>to me.

"gomen nasai" is the most honest and preferable expression to use
when you have to apologize. It's hard to say because noone wants to
recognize her/his mistake|failure|error. To say this means that you
realize your fault and regret from the bottom of your heart.

BTW, "moushiwake gozaimasen" is a formal expression for "I have no excuse".

-- 
A wrong guy in a wrong place at wrong time...
						 Daisaku Itasaka
				      d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp
				NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: felix@crowfix.UUCP (Felix Finch)
Subject: Re: English->Kanji/hiragana/katakana dictionary sought
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:23:00 GMT

Can you send me the ISBN or equivalent from those two dictionaries,
the Kenkyusha Furigana E->J and the Spahn-Hadamitsky J->E?  I'm
currently using a Vaccari E->J I bought 20 years ago when in the Navy,
and I've never been satisfied with it, but Kinokuniya in San Francisco
hasn't had anything better.  All their E->J are for Japanese, with all
the explanations and examples in Japanese, and no furigana.  Maybe I
can get them to order for me, if the price is "reasonable" :-(.
Thanks.

            ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._.
   Felix Finch, scarecrow repairer / felix@crowfix.com / uunet!crowfix!felix
From: nelson@usafa.af.mil (Capt Eric Nelson)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Citizenship
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:09:31 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: U.S. Air Force Academy, Colorado

My wife and I had an interesting experience when we went to 
apply for our daughters' Japanese passports (my wife is Japanese).
The forms asked us for their names, which we supplied in Katakana.
Then they wanted the names in Romanization.  So we wrote them as
they are spelled in English: Jennett Miyoshi Nelson and Shannon
Yuko Nelson.  When we took the forms to the clerk, we were told
that we had spelled our oldest daughter's name wrong.  "Jennett"
couldn't be spelled that way.  It had to be spelled as if it were
being transliterated to ROMAJI.  So in the end, my oldest daughter's
official name in Japan is now "Jenetto".  We haven't broken the 
news to her yet, but I'll bet she will be really excited about this
when she finds out.

Eric Nelson
USAF Academy, CO
nelson@usafa.af.mil


Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: English->Kanji/hiragana/katakana dictionary sought
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:19:19 GMT

AWILLIAMS@VAX2.LUTON.AC.UK (ANDI WILLIAMS) writes:
>>Hi Peter,
>>   I've run across a Japanese English Dictionary of some form
>>   on a local BBS.  Are you still interested?  Its MS-DOS based.
>>   Yours truly,
>>   Kevin Paulson

>There's probably lots of us interested.  Please tell us about it.

It's possibly/probably V1.4 of JDIC which went out on comp.binaries.ibm.pc last
year, and has ended up on dozens of bulletin boards. If so, you are better off
getting the latest version (V2.1) from monu6.

If it's something else, then I want to know about it too.

-- 
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: nibber@nevada.edu (KEIKO SHIMMYO)
Subject: Re: Asuna???
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:35:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.170110.27008@nntp.hut.fi> jtyrkko@vipunen.hut.fi (Juha-Petri Tyrkk|) writes:
>In article <BrIMx4.MMM@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
>pjyamamo@watdragon.waterloo.edu writes:
>
>> <...> Canadians do not react well to cars with names like
>> RX-7, MX-3, etc.
>
>> It also mentioned that while English or Foreign words are used
>> to name cars in amusing ways (to us) in Japan, the names for the
>> cars in foreign markets are decided by a computer based on
>> keywords and concepts which (supposedly) describe the car (at least
>> Honda was mentioned as doing so).
>
>  I heard a rumor that when the Korean Hyundai Lantra was to be
>introduced in Finland, its model name for Finnish sale had to be
>changed to Elantra to avoid any associations with alcoholic bums
>mixing their "cocktails" in public parks.
>
>                                             Juha-Petri Tyrkko
>
>                                             jtyrkko@vipunen.hut.fi
>
I suppose you know the stories about some Japanese products:

1. Sake

A Japanese company tried to market a brand of sake, but the result was
very poor.  Convinced that the local retailers are not handling theier
product properly, they dispatched a marketing consultant to conduct 
market study.  He will check the position of the display, price 
comparison, etc.  
He looked around the stores, but nothing seems to be awfully bad.  
He could not quite understand why this particular item was not selling.  
As he pondered at a supermarket, a housewife pushing a shppoping cart 
with a 3-yrs. old  approached the shelf that he was observing.  

She is now studying items on that shelf.  She must be selecting a 
brand to purchase.  He straigtened his back, and approached her with 
his sales pitch etched on his gray suit. "Excuse me, maam, this...".  

It was only then that he noticed its name...Fu-ku-ju.

(I do not know what the new name is.)


2.  Do you know a summer drink popular in Japan, *calpis*.
You can buy *calpico* in US.

Kay
nibber@nevada.edu


Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: tygar+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug Tygar)
Subject: Re: Buying the Kenkyu-Sha Furigana English-Japanese Dictionary
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 19:14:36 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <MACRAKIS.92Jul28115528@next4.osf.org> macrakis@osf.org (Stavros Macrakis) writes:
>Kenkyu-Sha's Furigana English-Japanese Dictionary is in stock and
>costs $33.95 from Schoenhof's Foreign Books, 76a Mt. Auburn St.,
>Cambridge, MA 02138, USA, phone + 1 / 617 / 547 8855.  Schoenhof's
>does mail orders (with prepayment by check or credit card).  They
>charge actual UPS shipping costs (no handling charge).

The dictionary is available for $24.00 from Mangajin.  That price includes
shipping.  Subscribers receive a further 10% discout.  Their number is
1-800-552-3206.
From: rsi@scf16.scf.loral.com (Rich S. Ishikawa)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Japanese language schools in the SF/bay area.....
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:08:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Loral Space and Range Systems, Sunnyvale, CA


Hi!!!!


I was hoping some of you netters would know of some Japanese language
schools in the bay area....    I'm interested in a private/public
school that teaches both conversational and written Japanese.  

The ideal school will have classes in the evenings or early mornings
or possibly on weekends.

Please let me know if you know of any in the SF/Silicon Valley area.



Much thanks,



-Rich



PS.  If you know of any language clubs, that info would be useful too.






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Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: mstede@cs.toronto.edu (Manfred Stede)
Subject: Re: Dilemma = Dilemna ??
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:01:17 GMT

hlirg@alf.uib.no (Roger Greenwald) writes:

>So far the evidence suggests that a certain number of library
>cataloguers have simply had the wrong idea about how "dilemma"
>is spelled. They may, of coure, have been influenced by a small
>number of books in which "dilemna" actually appears on the title page.

I might add that I have seen the following book in fact using the 
'mn'-spelling (which is why the catalogue typist added the [sic]):
   1. Ackerman, Robert W.,  1938-
      Corporate social responsiveness :  the modern dilemna [sic] /
      Reston, Va. :  Reston Pub. Co.,  c1976.

Anybody in Virginia want to give Reston a call and inquire?

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University of Toronto    
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Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: pesetsk@athena.mit.edu (David M Pesetsky)
Subject: Native speaker wins one, loses one [was Re: Chomsky's "Minimalist" paper]
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:48:06 GMT

Don't bother to read this unless you care about Russian syntax.

In article <1992Jul29.160249.14294@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
>In article <36538@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> 
>djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Jul23.113534.4232@athena.mit.edu> 
>>pesetsk@athena.mit.edu (David M Pesetsky) writes:
>
>DMP:
>>>nam est' 
>
>Wrong case.  Try "u nas est' komu pomoch' yemu"
>
>>>mnye   (bylo)   pomoch'     yemu
>
>Nonsense.  The ellipsis is not allowable; in any case, it should have
>been "mnye nado/nuzhno bylo pomoch' yemu"
>
>>>me-DAT was-NEUT help-infin  him-DAT
>
>me-DAT need was-NEUT help-infin  him-DAT
>
>>>`I had to help him/I was supposed to help him`
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>There are more interesting cases, like (cf. Gil Rappaport, Russian
>>>Linguistics circa 1986):
>>>
>>>nam est' komu pomoch' yemu
>
>"u nas est' komu pomoch' yemu"
>
>Where do you get these experts?

I think the expert was fine, and normally my Russian is pretty good, but
my memory of the article and my knowledge of Russian slipped here.  The
interesting point is still the dative subject that cannot be the subject
of a matrix modal.

>DAJ:
>>Here's one I ran into on soc.culture.soviet a couple of months ago:
>>
>>        v  Kieve ix       bylo          polno
>>        in Kiev  them-GEN was-NEUT/SING full-NEUT/SING
>
>Wrong case (same spelling):
>         in Kiev  them-ACC was-NEUT/SING many
>
>Attention: "p\'olno" = "full"; "poln\'o" = "many".
>
>>        'Kiev was full of them (Russians, as I remember)'
>>
>>David Johns

I'm not sure you're right here.  Suppose instead of "ix" we had an
inanimate plural noun, e.g. "jabloko" `apple`.  You get genitive, right,
not accusative:

	v Kieve jablok bylo polno
		GEN

	*v Kieve jabloka bylo polno
 		 ACC

Right?  If I'm wrong, fine, I'll drown my sorrows in Kvas.  But...well
you tell me.

In any case, there's an old but nice book on this construction by Dina
Crockett, published by Slavica some time in the 1970s.
>
>regards,
>mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
>who has the authority of a native speaker

-David Pesetsky
 who has the authority of a computer account
From: djbpitt+@pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Russian syntax (polno)
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:38:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul29.224806.26059@athena.mit.edu> pesetsk@athena.mit.edu
(David M Pesetsky) writes:

>>>        v  Kieve ix       bylo          polno
>>>        in Kiev  them-GEN was-NEUT/SING full-NEUT/SING
>>
>>Wrong case (same spelling):
>>         in Kiev  them-ACC was-NEUT/SING many
>
>I'm not sure you're right here.  Suppose instead of "ix" we had an
>inanimate plural noun, e.g. "jabloko" `apple`.  You get genitive, right,
>not accusative:
>
>	v Kieve jablok bylo polno
>		GEN
>
>	*v Kieve jabloka bylo polno
> 		 ACC
>
>Right?  If I'm wrong, fine, I'll drown my sorrows in Kvas.  But...well
>you tell me.

A quick glance at the 4-volume academy dictionary confirms that polno
takes a G complement. So you can make the kvas celebratory.

(But the NApl of 'apple' is jabloki.)

Cheers,

David
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Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: richwing@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rich Wingerter)
Subject: Re: homonym, homophone, homograph
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 07:07:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.164615.1@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl>, desmedt@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl writes:
|> Is there any general agreement among linguists about the meaning
|> of the terms homonym, homophone and homograph.

The _Dictionary of Linguistics_ by Mario Pei and Frank Gaynor gives the
following definitions:

Homograph: A word identical in written form with another given word of the same
language, but entirely different in origin, sound and meaning.

Homonym: A work identical in written form and in sound with another word of the
same language, but differrent in origin and meaning.

Homophone: A word identical in sound with another word of the same language,
but different from it in written form, origin and meaning.


"Homomorph" is given as a word occasionally used as an alternative of homophone.


--Rich Wingerter
Newsgroups: sci.lang,sci.cognitive
From: cpshelle@logos.waterloo.edu (cameron shelley)
Subject: Re: Speech-act planning since mid-80's?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:01:38 GMT

ard@cs.bham.ac.uk (Antoni Diller) writes:
> The book by Baker and Hacker, ``Language, Sense and Nonsense'' has some
> very powerful arguments showing that most speech act theories are worthless
> as accounts of how language works.  They trace the mistakes of speech act
> theory from Frege, through Austin and Seare and many linguists.  If they're
> correct, anybody working on speech act theory is wastinf their time!!

I haven't read the book, but I note from the library computer that it
was published in 1984.  I think this is significant because up until
the eighties, speech act research was dominated by the
`conventionalist' approach, begun by Austin and carried out by Searle.
Since then, a lot of work from the `anticonventionalist' point of view
has become prominent.  Perhaps Baker and Hacker fall into this
category.  Overall though, it is an oversimplification to talk about
speech act theory as if only one theory exists.  In my opinion,
excellent contributions have been by people with differing views on
the subject.

> PS:  I'm not convinced by their arguemnts, but are you?

Baker and Hacker's or Austin and Searle's?

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Newsgroups: sci.lang,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.german
From: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Subject: Re: Are you sure? No, definite.
Followup-To: sci.lang
Originator: alderson@leland.Stanford.EDU
Reply-To: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Organization: Stanford University Academic Information Resources
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 05:14:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.095642.4854@cc.ic.ac.uk>, shan@ee (Shan Parfilt) writes:
>The 'vulgar' in 'Vulgar Latin' is another term like 
>'mutilated', although this particular phrase has come in time to stand
>for a particular type of Latin (ie non- 'standard').  

The term "vulgar" in "Vulgar Latin" is from the adjective "vulgaris," derived
in turn from the noun "vulgus" meaning "people."  Other pairs in the same
semantic field are populus/popularis and plebs/plebeius.

That is, it is simply "Latin of the (common, man in the street) people" opposed
to the Latin of Caesar, Cicero, and the like.

The value judgment arises in the understanding of *non-linguists* for whom the
word "vulgar" has a different, pejorative meaning.
-- 
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                such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
                                                        --J. R. R. Tolkien,
alderson@leland.stanford.edu                              _The Lost Road_
Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: hlirg@alf.uib.no (Roger Greenwald)
Subject: Re: what has happened to "ascribe" ?
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 23:45:58 GMT

In article <92204.135724GRV101@psuvm.psu.edu> Callec Dradja <GRV101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.190619.21438@alf.uib.no>, hlirg@alf.uib.no (Roger
>Greenwald) says:
>>
>>
>>A worse one is that the New York
>>Times usually contains at least a few sentences every day in
>>which the verb does not agree with the subject in number.
>>The most common case is that of sentences that begin with
>>"There is" or "there was," and then follow up with a list
>>of items, each of which is singular. (There is anger and
>>frustration in Sarajevo tonight.) But there are many other
>>cases as well. You can say the writers can't count from
>>one to two; or you can say that the plural form of "to be"
>>is gradually disappearing from English. The latter is a linguist's
>>type of description. In this case it's probably correct, even if it
>>may be regrettable.
>>--
>I think that this phenomena is not new. We talked about this very
>topic in one of my grammar classes and it seems that in a list,
>Standard English speakers will use a verb that agrees with the nearest
>subject. This type of speech has been used by educated speakers for
>quite some time.
>
"phenomena" is plural :-) (but I'm sure not everyone who writes
for the NY Times knows that either).

It is true that in a sentence that contains a list, especially
if it starts with expletive "There," a native speaker may feel
it "sounds funny" to have "are" followed by a singular noun; but
this tends to be the case only when the noun is preceded by
an indefinite article. Thus: "There are a chair and a table on
the east wall" puts "are" next to "a chair", and that can
sound odd. But "There are anger and frustration here tonight"
should not sound equally odd (or, in my view, odd at all).

If you consult Fowler on what to do if a verb comes after, say,
a subject consisting of a plural noun, "or", and then a singular
noun, you will probably find that he says one way out is
to make the verb agree with the noun that is closest, but
that the BEST way out is to recast the sentence! I agree.
Note, however, that this was not the sort of case I was referring
to as a lack of agreement.
-- 
Roger Greenwald
Greenwald@hf.uib.no (address valid only until 10 August 1992)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: desmedt@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl
Subject: Re: Frisian; Germanic Dialtects (was: Welche Sprache benutzen)
Organization: Leiden University Faculty of Social Sciences
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:55:17 +0100

> ...
> Frisian is as much like any Celtic language as is, for example, Russian or
> Sanskrit! It is a Germanic language!
> 
> I didn't know it is also spoken in Schleswig-Holstein; I know a Dutchman who
> was raised bilingual Dutch/Frisian, so it must be spoken somewhere in the
> Netherlands too. Unfortunately I don't know what part of the Netherlands he
> comes from.
> 
> 				Julia Simon

Frisian ('Fries') is spoken in Friesland, a northern province of the
Netherlands.
Newsgroups: sci.lang,soc.culture.soviet