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From: suo@cae.wisc.edu (Franklin Suo)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Rush on Wisconsin Politics
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:35:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr16.123546.21777
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Originator: suo@sun-1.cae.wisc.edu



I had mixed feelings about Rush's recent praise for Wisc. Gov. Tommy
Thompson's proposed welfare reforms. On one hand, I was delighted to hear him
talk about Wisconsin for once, on a subject other than Jeff Dahmer. Sometimes
I get the impression that the United States ends west of the Appalachians and
doesn't start up again until you get past the Rockies. :-)

On the other hand, I was disappointed to hear Tommy getting praised, because
IMO, he's the biggest disgrace to the state since Sen. McCarthy. Thomoson has
instituted a number of welfare 'reform' proposals, all of which pander to the
stereotype that welfare recipients are a bunch of lazy, although
proliferative, parasites on society. 

Learnfare, the proposal that links welfare payments to a child's school
attendance, is one example. While it sounds good in theory, it overlooks the
mentality of the people it is supposedly aimed at. If a parent truly cares
about the well-being of their child, they will ensure that that child is in
school anyway. Chances are, that such a parent will use every means at their
disposal to try and find a job in order to better provide for their child. The
parents who tend to be chronic welfare recepients will probably tend not to
care much about their children anyway, so the receipt of a few dollars a month
more or less isn't likely to make much difference.

Another proposal is a two-tiered welfare system, where people who move to WI
from another state, (mainly Illinois) will receive a lower welfare payment
than native Wisconsinites for a period of time (6 months, I think.) Besides
the fact that such a law is clearly unconstitutional under the Equal
Protection Clause, it will solve nothing. It is a blatant attempt to pander to
the paranoia that droves of welfare mothers are moving here from Chicago, just
so they can collect more welfare money.

Another proposal, Bridefare, links receipt of full AFDC benefits to whether or
not the mother is married. In theory, it is supposed to promote parental
responsibility of the father by encouraging marriage. In reality, AFDC
payments will increase for elligible married couples, and all we'll end up
with is a bunch of married teenagers with no impact on the problem of teen
pregnancy in the first place.

Well, these are just a few of my opinions about Wisconsin politics. I realize
most non-cheeseheads care about as much about Wisconsin politics as I care
about New York and California politics (very little). But hey, Rush did
mention it, and it's not about abortion, right?


"America the Beautiful, land of the free,
Don't change the words to Land of Hypocricy"		Frank Suo
--Anthrax--						suo@cae.wisc.edu
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From: iadmr@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: e-mail addr
Reply-To: iadmr@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:07:59 GMT

In article <=!tjpsa.jrs@netcom.com>, jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:
>In article <00958DA0.50D1D3A0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> iadmr@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>>In article <167C4E676.JEZOR@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, JEZOR@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>>> 
>>>Thanks.  I got it.  Please don't send it anymore.  I'll write, and if
>>>it bounces back, I'll just send it again!  {Jonathan Ezor}
>>
>>
>>PS If you have Compuserve Information manager and access Rush's forum, look 
>
>>for Enos Slobodnik.  That's one of Rush's aliases.
>You don't even have to look for his name, just do a read search (RS) on 
>Rush's Email address; you can have any name that you want but your
>Email address stays the same. 
>-- 

That is tru, but it is easier to recognize Enos Slobodnik than it is to
remember that dastardly Email address.  What would you rather be a Slobodnik or
a 9 digit number separated by a comma?

Thanks for the summaries, they fill in the gaps in Rush's show when I have to
leave and teach a class or something.

Mark...


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From: sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt)
Subject: Re: I tried not to get into this......
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:02:23 GMT





In article <59@milestn.UUCP> marc@milestn.UUCP (Marc Rassbach) writes:
>>>sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:
>>>> Just wondering if it matters to all you abortionists that in 1972 a child
wa
>>>> born after 22 weeks of pregnancy.  He is alive and well today.
>
>And I sometimes wonder to all you forced-pregancy people if one case in
>1972 makes the rule for others?  How many other miscarriages have resulted
>in alive and well childern/adults?  How about a precentage?  And does
>the forced-pregancy crowd wish to pay for the medical care for
>fetus's which would die w/o medical care?
>
>You brought up the issues Susan, care to respond?


You are right, I am a hypocrite.  I don't wish to pay for all these unwanted 
children, so let's kill them.  I don't wish to pay for the children born early 
who need medical care, so let's kill them.  Furthermore, I don't wish to pay 
for the people on welfare, so let's kill them, and finally, I am sick of paying
for the medical care of old people so let's kill them!  All the people who are 
injured and need extraordinary medical care - LET'S KILL THEM.  All our 
societal problems will be solved.

You are good at understanding sarcasm, aren't you?

The point is the human-ness of the baby.  If one believes a child is human when
in the womb, then killing it is murder.  I believe this, obviously.  In fact, I
KNOW this to be FACT until someone proves otherwise.  ( It is impossible )  The
point of my post is that if a child can survive outside the womb after only 5 
monthes of pregnancy, it must be human.  So are we to draw the line here?  I 
think the line should be drawn at conception, BUT if anyone believes that 
human-ness begins at birth then they must consider the fact that a child has 
been born after only 22 weeks of pregnancy and survived.  Thus, their "line" 
must move from 9 months to 5, which will reduce the number of abortions by 
almost half.  This idea of abortion on demand at any time during pregnancy is 
wrong.  A woman has no "right" to this.
I have had enough of this discussion so 'nuff said.
-- 
Susan E. Schudt
Department of Chemical Engineering - Ohio State

"When you're right, you're right!"
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From: aiesec@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (AIESEC - Ohio State)
Subject: Re: Poll Clinton vs Bush
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:43:44 GMT


Day four and the response was much better. Keep them coming.  To all those who 
are reading this for the first time;

POLL QUESTION

Who would you vote for in a presidential election.

                      Bush vs. Clinton

I put the two most likely major party candidates, and left out H. Ross Perot
because he still is not eligable to vote.  Send in your replies.

Because of the great demand from liberals who will not vote for Cliton (i.e. 
not vote at all even when they respond), I will conduct another poll in a 
couple of weeks with all third party candidates (i.e. Ross Perot and Andree 
Marou (sp?) of the Libertarian Party).  Do not vote for these people now.  
Results of the current poll will be posted next Sunday evening.



Ryan C. Scharfy
Buckeystate Dittohead.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: "Andrew C. Aiken" <aaiken@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot for President
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:43:42 -0500

In <1992Apr6.174727.22494@nynexst.com> em@nynexst.com (Edward Man) writes:

>In article <1992Apr3.140422.6366@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> "Andrew C. Aiken" <aaiken@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>>In <1992Apr3.002006.25444@nynexst.com> em@nynexst.com (Edward Man) writes:
>>
>>>How can there be too much democracy? The last thing I want is to
>>>have our INCOMPETENT govern on my back. I really don't want them
>>>to screw my life up any more. If you want less democracy, try
>>>China. Russia is not as "good" now.
>>
>>	But the government is on your back because of too much democracy.

>Are you a Communist? You are the only one that I've seen to use the
>word Democracy to mean Freedom of the Government and not Freedom of
>the People.

	You obviously only read the first line of my rejoinder to your
earlier criticism of my admittedly conservative views.

	Look at the word "democracy":

	"demos" = people
	"-cracy","-crat", etc.  = rule
	(the roots are Greek in origin, like democracy itself)
  
	Democracy means RULE by the citizenry.  Since we have expanded
greatly our definition of citizenship (for the better) over the last
200 years, democracy in America has come to mean rule by the majority.
	Democracy and liberty may be related, but are not the same.  If
the majority decides that you should be in jail because you voice
unpopular sentiments, then democracy has triumphed.  However, liberty
has not.  I believe in a society based upon ordered liberty, as did our
Founding Fathers.
	To answer your question, I am not a communist.  I am staunchly
capitalistic, although I believe that the accumulation of wealth is
certainly not the sole end to which we should strive.  I believe, above
all, in individual rights, as opposed to collective rights.  
	I am conservative, in the modern sense of the term.  I really
see no point, though, in continuing to explain myself to you.
	The burden of proof is on you, Edward.  You contradict 2500 years 
of political theory with your statement that democracy means "Freedom of
the People."  I only pointed out that democracy is only desirable if it 
is limited, and you call me a "communist."  Moreover, you use the term
"communist" not to describe my views by any measure, but to denounce
me.  That you must resort to ad hominem attacks shows that you know that
you cannot defend yourself with logic.
	Before you call people names, I suggest that you understand what
the names mean first.  With de Tocqueville, Cooper, and Schlesinger on the
shelves of any library to guide your understanding of what democracy means,
I do not understand your reaction to my statements.  They were not 
radical or outrageous, and were really quite conventional.



Andrew Aiken

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From: toma@cray.com (Thomas R. Arneberg)
Subject: Re: Liberals and the Japanese economy
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:13:19 CDT

In article <1992Apr10.102035.29082@doug.cae.wisc.edu> suo@cae.wisc.edu (Franklin Suo) writes:
>
>at it, we should advise all the fledgeling democracies in eastern Europe and
>the former Soviet Union that the best way to jump-start their newly-forming
>market economies is to enact massive tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% of the
>population.
>
>(In case no-one noticed, the above comment was sarcastic in its entirety.)
>
>"America the Beautiful, land of the free,
>Don't change the words to Land of Hypocricy"		Frank Suo
>--Anthrax--						suo@cae.wisc.edu

Too bad you were sarcastic...the truth is that cutting taxes DOES jump
start the economy! How can you deny the growth of the 80's thanks to
Reagan's tax cuts?!

Yes, by cutting taxes, the revenue was INCREASED (even after adjusting for
inflation). The reason that the deficit increased in spite of this growth
in revenue is that SPENDING increased much faster than the revenue did.

So the growing deficit in the 80's was a problem in spending, not in
taxing.

Another (non-sarcastic) Wisconsinite,
  - Tom A.
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From: mnka_cif@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Matthew Kaufman)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Compuserve
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:54:36 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <13APR199222163483@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> edanlx3@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Wayne Harris) writes:


>Anyone know how to contact Rush through compuserve?
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Mail to 70277.2502@compuserve.com

Matt
--
			Matt Kaufman
The views expressed by the host on this show are not necessarily the 
vews of the staff, management nor sponsors of this station, but they
should be.  (Rush Limbaugh)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: nathan engle <nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Yet Another Poll - Bush vs All Comers
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 10:19:09 -0500

In article <9204132345.AA17862@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> 
AIESEC - Ohio State <aiesecrs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>Why don't you make a poll tailored to you desires by yourself.  I'm not ZOLTAR 
>THE POLLMASTER.  Some people.

    Ok, great suggestion. Here's a slightly modified version of Ryan's
poll with a cast of thousands (well ok, say maybe a cast of a couple
dozen). 

    If the election were held today with George Bush as the Republican
candidate, Bill Clinton as the Democrat, Perot as an Independant, and
with more other candidates than you could shake a stick at, who would
you vote for?

    This poll will run for one week starting today (April 14) with
results tabulated and posted by the end of the day next Wednesday
(April 22).

    Please respond via email if at all possible. 

-- 
Nathan Engle             Software Juggler
Indiana University       Dept of Psychology
nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
From: n352cb@tamuts.tamu.edu (James Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: RUSH LIMBAUGH FAN NEEDS INFO.
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:10:48 GMT
Organization: ~/lib/organization

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MEGA-DITTOS FROM THE LONE STAR STATE.
I have just been `turned on to' Rush, and I am already an avid fan.

IF ANYONE CAN SEND ME SOME INFO ON HIS TV SHOW PLEASE DO SO!!!

You may send it to:
n352cb@tamuts.tamu.edu

Thanks, James Johnson, Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Liberal/Conservative labels (Was: Re: October Surmise)
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:54:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: batpad.VgBwiB1w164w
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

alex@umbc4.umbc.edu (Alex S. Crain) writes:

> In article <92088.074323U13054@uicvm.uic.edu> U13054@uicvm.uic.edu (Howard Wa
> >  In contrast to this, the media has consistently labeled hard-line
> >communists in the former Soviet Union as "conservatives", despite the
> >fact that the Right in the USA does not support them--quite the opposite.
> 
> 	"Conservative" is a relevent term. In russia, the hard liners
> were consistantly resistant to change, and wanted to take russia back
> to the 50s, when the world was good and repression was an acceptable
> part of world society. In the US, conservatives want to take america
> back to the 50s for exactly the same reasons. 
> 
> 	different ideology, same mindset.

This is one of my biggest gripes about Limbaugh.  He consistently
applies an Americanized spin to these terms.  He should have paid more
attention in PoliSci 101.



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] TNG Quote: "You were travelling in close formation at over 80,000 kph, only
[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"
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From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 15:35:18 GMT
Organization: Computer Nerd (is that redundant?), WINCO, INEL, Idaho
Subject: Re: No murder of babies!
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Computer Nerd (is that redundant?), WINCO, INEL, Idaho
Keywords: 

I wanted to stay out of this, but I couldn't let this comment go
unanswered:

>Lastly, against abortion??  DON'T HAVE ONE!  I'm against smoking but
>I don't advocate the abolition of tobacco.

``Against rape??  DON'T DO IT!  I'm against rape but
  I don't advocate the abolition of rape.''

``Against murder??  DON'T DO IT!  I'm against murder but
  I don't advocate the abolition of murder.''

Do you see the point?  In all three cases (abortion, rape, murder)
another person is involved, and it is for the protection of that person
that the practice should be outlawed.  Tobacco is (largely) only going
to affect you.  It's not a valid comparison.

Life is the issue.  You can argue ``choice'' all you want, but we're
talking about the killing of another human being here.  If I argued for
someone's ``right'' to choose to rape women I would (I hope) be
considered to be extremely ridiculous and be ignored no matter how
loudly I screamed.

There's a reason I don't read talk.abortion, so I'm planning on shutting
up now.

-- 
Geoff Allen          \  Driggs, Idaho -- cultural hub of the west!
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov \  (Tom Harper in rec.skiing)
From: marc@milestn.UUCP (Marc Rassbach)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Rush on TV
Date: 11 Apr 92 11:52:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: milestn.37
Reply-To: marc@milestn.UUCP (Marc Rassbach)
Organization: Milestone R/D Labs, Milw. WI

In article <7gZmiB1w164w@gatecom.UUCP> jeffb@gatecom.UUCP (Jeff Breitner) writes:
>*laugh*  I agree.  I may enjoy the show, but to walk around
>a lifeless ditto-head letting Rush do the thinking for me just ain't
>gonna work.  Seems the term Internet Nimrods is a bit harsh...
>wonder if anyone flooded his Compu$erve box after that one

Rush 'knows' radio because he's been playing the game he's now doing for 
years.  I don't know if it will play on TV.

Only time will tell.
-- 
Marc Rassbach       marcr@studsys.mu.edu       If you take my advice, that
MS-DOS - it's not   marc@milestn.mil.wi.us    is your problem, not mine!
my problem!     If it was said on UseNet, it must be true.
   Unix - It's a nice place to live, but you don't want to visit there.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: JEZOR@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: FAQ? Rush's e-mail addr
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 15:14:33 EDT

Hi.  Could someone please e-mail me Rush's numerical Compuserve e-mail
address?  I'm not a Compuserve subscriber, but I'd like to send him
mail via the Internet gateway.  Thank you very much.  {Jonathan Ezor}
From: marc@milestn.UUCP (Marc Rassbach)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: I tried not to get into this......
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:49:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: milestn.59
Reply-To: marc@milestn.UUCP (Marc Rassbach)
Organization: Milestone R/D Labs, Milw. WI

In article <9204140744.AA22471@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> aiesecrs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (AIESEC - Ohio State) writes:
>In article <Hec7iB3w164w@gatecom.UUCP> you write:
>>sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:
>>> Just wondering if it matters to all you abortionists that in 1972 a child wa
>>> born after 22 weeks of pregnancy.  He is alive and well today.

And I sometimes wonder to all you forced-pregancy people if one case in 
1972 makes the rule for others?  How many other miscarriages have resulted 
in alive and well childern/adults?  How about a precentage?  And does 
the forced-pregancy crowd wish to pay for the medical care for
fetus's which would die w/o medical care?  

You brought up the issues Susan, care to respond?

>>And I supposed this bundle of joy was born and survived without any
>>medical intervention?  Ya -- right.  Had it not been for the wonders
>>of modern medicine it would have been called a miscarriage.

>       I believe that women should probably be allowed to have abortions, but 
>your flippant response about the birth of a human child is pretty sick.
>Ryan C. Scharfy    Buckeystate Dittohead

Ryan,

    Listen very closely.  Do you hear a ringing?  It's the clue phone.

    Webster's 9th ed.  Miscarrige - 1: (not relavent) 2: expulsion of
a human fetus before it is viable and esp. between the 12th and 28th 
week of gestation.

(also note:  fetus has a modifer to better describe it.  Human.)

   The statement about the 22nd week fetus was not flippant or sick.
The statement is using a defination of the word miscarrage.
-- 
Marc Rassbach       marcr@studsys.mu.edu       If you take my advice, that
MS-DOS - it's not   marc@milestn.mil.wi.us    is your problem, not mine!
my problem!     If it was said on UseNet, it must be true.
   Unix - It's a nice place to live, but you don't want to visit there.
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: No murder of babies!
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:53:37 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.29 4/10/92 (Beta) by Mike Schwartz

In article <1992Apr10.100847.28881@doug.cae.wisc.edu> suo@cae.wisc.edu (Franklin Suo) writes:
>Rush is correct in saying that AIDS is a health issue that has been turned
>into a political issue by a bunch of activists. Unfortunately, abortion also
>falls into this category. Of course Rush would never admit this, because he
>happens to agree with the anti-choice crowd, inasmuch as they both oppose Roe
>v. Wade.

So the abortion debate is really between the pro-abortion crowd and the anti-choice
crowd?

--
Author of Amiga GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle,
and Genesis Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: "Andrew C. Aiken" <aaiken@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Rush's Apology
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:04:29 -0500

In <1992Apr16.185019.7891@news.unomaha.edu> KKRUEGER@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Kurt R. Krueger) writes:

>--
>/*  When I die, I hope it's in Chicago because at least I could still vote. */

	Perhaps, but you'd have to vote a straight Democratic ticket.


Andrew Aiken

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From: aiesec@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (AIESEC - Ohio State)
Subject: POLL Bush vs. Clinton
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:57:51 GMT

Here it is, day 7 and the end of the week as well as the poll.  I will accept 
responses until I have posted Sunday at 6:00 pm.  It won't be to detailed.  
Just a simple breakdown, and maybe a short analysis.  I'll leave the rest up to
you people.  (Sound familier?)  Anyway, for all you weekend computer hackers, 
who would you vote for in the Presidential Election.

            Bush vs. Clinton:  Vote for President, electronic style.

Once again, no third party candidates please, although I do enjoy reading
comments on this issue.

Results tomorrow,

Ryan C. Scharfy
Buckeyestate Dittohead
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