HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: M*tl* filter
Originator: kevinh@mira
Keywords: The M-word, Jive, Valley-speak, Swedish Chef Bork-Bork-Bork
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 09:23:10 GMT


In article <Btp0BE.7xK@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca>, ward@sun17.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Ward) writes:
|> In article <5709@osc.COM> aflynn@osc.COM (Anthony Flynn) writes:
|> >Just an idea, but would anyone (with more time on their hands
|> >than I have at the moment) care to write a "M*tl* Filter"
|> >in the style of, say "Jive", "Valley-Speak", or "Swedish Chef"
|> >which took otherwise normal text and output diatribe and
|> >invective in the style of you-know-who?
|> 
|> Well, I just thought of a really wicked idea (evil grin :-), that
|> might permanently solve the problem.  Instead of having a kill file 
|> with "you-know-who"'s name in, have a program that automatically
|> mails him a copy of whatever he posts to the newsgroup.  Also, any
|> mail you receive from him (cause he's going to get mad and mail you
|> if you do this) would be automatically sent back to him.  Not only
|> do you never have to read his posts, but he gets them ALL back in his
|> own mailbox.
|> 
|> Now, if, say 100 people did this, I think his mailbox would overflow
|> in a hurry.  :-) :-)

Great idea, but a fat lot of use if he posts from a bogus address, not that
he'd do that of course :-) :-). I propose we put a contract out on him, any
takers ? :-).

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Patriotism and silliness
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:10:53 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)
>with a 12' yellow ribbon is silly, not monstruous. Besides, in my
>original posting, I mentioned similar acts of silliness regarding the
>Olympics. My local pharmacy had on all it's receipts printed : "BRING
>HOME THE GOLD" and other stuff about the US Olympic team. Why is this
>display of patriotism monstruous?

It is monstrous because the Olympic Games should be primarily
about enjoying the athletics irrespective of the nationality of
the competitors, and it is a sign of the USA's insecurity, desire
for world domination, and lack of care for other nations, which is a
bigger monstrosity.

Matthew Huntbach
Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:8054 eunet.politics:1192 soc.culture.greek:8381
From: jd@latcs2.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,soc.culture.greek
Subject: What is a European country to you?
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:41:03 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

>>Morten Kjeldgaard  ~ morten@oase.kemi.aau.dk ~ mok@kemi.aau.dk <writes>:

>>I think the greek have to decide for themselves whether they want to become
>>a european country, or remain a balkan one. This nationalist nonsense is
>>going to far. One is more and more tempted to believe that the people of
>>the balkans are complete lunatics.

	It is easy for you to speek such nonsense because you are not 
faced with such a problem. 
	I can inform you that Greece is friendly with all Peoples and 
Nations, both as a state and as a people.
	But when confronted with hostility and outrageous expansionistic 
ambitions from its neighbours it must defend itself.
	Did you know that according to EEC surveys the "Greeks" are 
supposed to be the least 'racist people' in Europe? So it is nonsence
to imply some abnormal level of nationalist fealing in this state.
	Have you ever been to Greece how can you judge its people to
be lunatics? I can tell you from personal experience with people of at
least 2 dozen different nationalities and cultures that Greeks are no
more or less crazy than anyone else.
	Finally let me tell you a secret, the reason why some of Greece's
neighbours are being hostile is because Greece has prospered in recent
times (perhaps not by west european standards) by Balkan standards beyond
the level of its neighbours, causing their envy and jealousy. And in states
where there is no democracy the totalitarian regimes always shift the blame
to some external source, blaming them for the woes of their nation. There
are plenty of examples of this in other parts of the world if you care to
check it out. 
							jd
Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:7922 soc.culture.romanian:835 talk.politics.soviet:7513
From: THEO@licra.dn.mu.oz.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: The Aboriginal Government and other such
Date: 31 Aug 92 08:12:08 GMT
Organization: Ludwig Institute for Cancer Research

In article <1992Aug30.111306.16799@enea.se>, sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
> Michael Polymenakos (michael.polymenakos@factory.com) writes:
>> If it is just a name, why does the Government of Skopjie give it up? They
>> would have been recognised by the international community months ago had they
>> not been so stubborn.
> 
> If I suggested that you should call Greece something else, would
> you even take that seriously?
> -- 
> Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
> F|rst till kvarn f}r f|rst vankiva

I suggest Hellas or maybe Macedonia, but there would be an international 
outcry, so mabe we should stick with a name endowed upon us by others.

Theo Mandamadiotis
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se (John Dryselius TG/HB)
Subject: Re: European language?
Reply-To: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:13:26 GMT

In article 714787328@tasman, peeters@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (bert peeters) writes:
>etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se (John Dryselius TG/HB) writes:
>
>
>>Besides I've forgot to express my true point: the more people that understands
>>English the less interpretations needed.
>
>If you think so, you're real optimist. English (and hosts of other languages)
>can be admirably ambiguous. It is not because everybody speaks the same lang-
>uage that everybody will be guaranteed of full understanding. You're probably
>not a linguist, but do have a look at (I think it is) chapter 2 in Wierzbicka's
>*Cross-cultural pragmatics* (a book which is within the grasp of the non-
>linguist anyway). It shows you living proof of how the same words are used
>by different people to mean different things. Surely, further interpretation
>then becomes a necessity, so that we don't get caught in misunderstanding.
>

I know pretty well how easy it is to write ambigous, even in a language
you know very well (in my case Swedish). You don't need to be a linguistic
to have experienced that. I'm not a linguistic but I have studied french and Spanish
beside English, so I guess I understand your point fairly well.

I also think you have a strong point here: That all official documents must be
interpreted by approved translators to avoid misunderstandings as much as 
possible.
So I reconsider my opinion a bit: This means that all countries that are member 
of EU - or what it is going to become - should have their language official, including
languages like catalan etc. But if we define English as the little more official,
i.e. that all countries should introduce it as their second language, so everyone 
in Europe can be expected to know a basic English. Wouldn't that do a lot in more to 
speed up and reduce the cost of more inofficial discussions, documents etc.? Like we 
are having a discussion here without I have to have your poster first translated 
into swedsih and then my response translated into English.



>>But still
>>I believe that La Francophonie is a relatively small compared to the German
>>language area. Also even if we include Canada, Vietnam(?) and northwest Africa 
>>French is not enough world spread to the same extense as English and Spanish.
>
>I agree with the latter point, but not with the former. Unless I'm missing
>something, French has a far better world spread than German.
>

This is a good example of what you are trying to point out. If you read again
you can see that I say French is less world spread than English and Spanish.
When I wrote La Francophonie I actually meant the European French language area. I know 
that is incorrect since la Francophonie refers to all the countries where French
is mainly used (something like 100 millions in 33 countries).


John
From: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Kill fill update needed
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:52:27 GMT
Reply-To: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: cupid.cs.utk.edu

In article <Sep02.162542.80640@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:

|> If you use rn, type "/serdar argic/hK" (without the "'s) right after you
|> read this message.

Could someone tell me what the xrn equivalent of such action is?
I'm having trouble setting up killfiles.

Victor.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: sk@groo.sunbim.be (Sasa Konecni)
Subject: Re:  What is a European country to you?
Reply-To: sk@sunbim.be ()
Organization: BIM Everberg Belgium
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 08:28:13 GMT

jd@latcs2.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis) writes:

>        I can inform you that Greece is friendly with all Peoples and 
>Nations, both as a state and as a people.


   The whole spectrum of the official political forces with incredible
unanimity is dragging lately the whole people in Greece to an imperialistic and
chauvinistic direction. The ruling party of New Democracy, the "socialist"
PASOK and the whole official left agree and compete for the preservation
of the "Greekenness" of the name Macedonia, which is the "property", as 
they declare, of the well known to us Alexander the great, who ruled and
fought 2,500 years ago!!!


>        Did you know that according to EEC surveys the "Greeks" are 
>supposed to be the least 'racist people' in Europe? So it is nonsence
>to imply some abnormal level of nationalist fealing in this state.

According to a Belgium newspaper  "Greeks" are 
supposed to be the most 'racist people' in Europe!!!

>        Finally let me tell you a secret, the reason why some of Greece's
>neighbours are being hostile is because Greece has prospered in recent
>times (perhaps not by west european standards) by Balkan standards beyond
>the level of its neighbours, causing their envy and jealousy.


	THE PATIENCE WITH THE PITTY COUSIN GREECE IS
ALMOST AT THE END IN THE EC FAMILY.  THE POINTLESS
SUBSIDIZING OF THE SICK GREEK ECONOMY AND THE INFLEXIBLE
POLITICAL ATTITUDE CONCERNING CYPRUS AND MACEDONIA STARTED
TO DISTURB BRUSSELS SO MUCH, THAT THE EUROPEAN PRESIDENT OF
THE COMMISSION JAQUES DELORS DESCRIBED THE MEMBERSHIP OF
HELLAS AS A "FAILURE".	

It is unclear what are the effects of other
support, for example for the improvement of the
infrastructure, social projects or in the agriculture. In
the past accusations have been raised that the former
Prime Minister Papandreou has used the loans and support
from the EC for an enlargement of the government staff and
for consumption expenditures for attracting voters.

	In the period 1989-1993, 18 milliard guldens have
been granted to Greece by the EEC.

Sasa.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: The MUTLU Unit has failed
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:49:27 GMT

 Ahhh, what a beatiful night!!  It seems that the Master Untrue Totally
 Lying Unit has failed really bad.  A temporary Unit, with the code name
 Argic, has not been able to catch up with the work of the original Unit.
 A new MUTLU unit is now under development in the Turkish embassy.  The
 new hyper-MUTLU, will not only be able to offend; I've heard that 
 it will be able to make rational comments, and to answer line by line to
 previous articles. The chief director of this research program, is trying
 to implant a new circuit called: 4097-Akgun.  This totally new design
 will be able to twist reality, be hypocritical, and some times will be
 able to get angry.  Another special circuit, with the code name Konecni,
 will start searching for minorities throughout the universe.  A third
 circuit, the so called SAS_Shopov, will start rewriting history from
 some 3000 years BC; the latter unit is under construction in Australia.

 The winners of the batle, namely the 'Tam*' (also known as 'tamtam'), 
 the 'Tri*', the 'Pol*', and the 'Zap*', are temporalily resting
 for the new batle. 
 
 'Tam*' congratulates everyone for his contribution.

 
-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: keserovi@latcs5.lat.oz.au (Goran Keserovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Independent
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:29:18 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <Aug.25.21.38.16.1992.4406@pilot.njin.net> hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey) writes:
>Yes, folks here we have it all.
>
>In less than two years we have seen people massacre their own
>people just for show. First it was the Azerbaijanis and now
>it's the Bosnians.
>

  Did you ever consider this :

  The US empire ( known as the UN security council ) does not wish 
  to intervene in Bosnia because Mr. Bush has an election to win this
  year - sending troops to Bosnia is not good for election prospects.

  So the US empire ( United Nations ) sends in someone like General
  McKenzie to spread the blame and make all the sides look like 
  barbarians so that the US can justify its stance of non-intervention.
  Once the world saw the Concentration Camps the Serb barbarians were 
  running , pressure on the US to intervene became so great that the 
  US has resorted to making the victims look like villians.
  
  The Bosnian people saw how the world stood by and let the Serbs
  destroy Croatia.....they have stopped hoping that the UN will 
  intervene because they know that the UN wont....so why whould they
  try to win sympathy from someone they know wont give them any ????

  Don't believe everything that you are spoon fed by the UN...the UN
  has its own interests that come before the lives of the peoples of 
  Bosnia.


>
>
>Not much more needs to be said.
>-- 
>
>	mark	
>
>
>   hubey@pilot.njin.net                   hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
> ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey                  hubey@logos.montclair.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,soc.culture.greek
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: The Aboriginal Government and other such
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:42:37 GMT

The disguised Serafim Efrastiatidis (efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu) writes:
>Nope. No one would take you seriously. Likewise, when the Skopje puppet
>governent suggests that Skopje be called `Macedonia' and the Bulgarians
>in Skopje be called `Macedonians', how do do you expect the world to take
>THAT seriously?

Most people seems to take them seriously. Few people seems to take
Greece seriously. The situations of realpolitik has caused something
which may give a different impression

>Tells us you, sophomore Erland: do the Albanians of Skopje
>who correspond to about 35-40% of the population want to be called
>`Macedonians'?

I doubt. And I doubt that anyone is calling them that. There
are Swedes in Finland, but no one is calling them Finns.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
F|rst till kvarn f}r f|rst vankiva
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: The hypocrites
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:24:04 GMT

cza@troy.uucp (22141-akgun) writes:

>In article <Aug.25.21.38.16.1992.4406@pilot.njin.net> hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey) writes:

>>It's time for people who report these and those who believe them
>>to check their consciences. The same people who questioned
>>whether blacks had souls and could be considered human are
>>at it again.
>>
>>Not much more needs to be said.

>Unfortunately yes.  How come those bastians of freedom
>and humanity can tell to Saddam "Don't fly or die" but
>not to Serbians "Don't shell or be shelled."

 Humanity also cannot tell to Turks: "Get your asses out of Cyprus".

 Yet, the hypocrites Turks, can open their mouth when muslim lifes are
 in steak. 

 The hypocrites in their best performance !!!

>>	mark	

>C. Akgun



-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: peeters@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (bert peeters)
Subject: Re: European language?
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:02:08 GMT

etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se (John Dryselius TG/HB) writes:

>To let every country do the interpretations themselves means it is up to
>that country if they need to interpret the document. That should decrease
>the amount of interpretations.

Possibly. I'm not convinced. There is lots of interpretation going on just
to make sense of an official document written in one's own language, so I
think when documents come to a country written in a language other than
that country's, it'll have to be interpreted. So it does not make a differ-
ence.

>Besides I've forgot to express my true point: the more people that understands
>English the less interpretations needed.

If you think so, you're real optimist. English (and hosts of other languages)
can be admirably ambiguous. It is not because everybody speaks the same lang-
uage that everybody will be guaranteed of full understanding. You're probably
not a linguist, but do have a look at (I think it is) chapter 2 in Wierzbicka's
*Cross-cultural pragmatics* (a book which is within the grasp of the non-
linguist anyway). It shows you living proof of how the same words are used
by different people to mean different things. Surely, further interpretation
then becomes a necessity, so that we don't get caught in misunderstanding.

>But still
>I believe that La Francophonie is a relatively small compared to the German
>language area. Also even if we include Canada, Vietnam(?) and northwest Africa 
>French is not enough world spread to the same extense as English and Spanish.

I agree with the latter point, but not with the former. Unless I'm missing
something, French has a far better world spread than German.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: The hypocrites
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:35:22 GMT

cza@troy.uucp (22141-akgun) writes:

>In article <Btv4us.HBM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>>>in life.
>>
>> Exactly the same thing that Serbs are doing in Bosnia.  Why do you thing
>> that Serbs don't have the right to do this thing, and Turks have it?
>> What makes you different from Serbs?

>Put your thinking cap once in a while and compare these cases 
>accordingly.  The answer to following question will give you the clue to
>make this right.  Did Bosnians attacked Serbians minority
>to make any ethnic cleansing?  Simple is that.

 Has Turkey done ethnic cleansing in Cyprus, yes or no? Has Turkey moved
 hunderends of thousands of Turks (and Kurds !!) from Turkey to Cyprus to
 change the national composition of the population, yes or no? Get your
 facts straight.


>>
>> Isn't it hypocritical to say that Turkey has the right to invade another
>> country to protect its minority, but Serbs don't have it?  What else
>> is hypocricy?

>First of all, even all deaf people in the World have heard that
>Turkey had a signed and sealed agreement to interfere the
>stunt that Greek side tought that they could pull.  The
>aggressor was the majority in Cyprus not the minority
>like Serbs in Bosnia.  So, it aint the same thing Panos.

 Get you facts straight.  Turkey was preparing the invasion in Cyprus
 for a long time.  And it did it twice.  With the first invasion, which
 resulted in the end of the Greek junta, only a small portion of the island
 was annexed.  After some days, a second invasion folowed.  In order to
 protect 18% of the population, Turkey occupied 40% of the land.

 For 18 years Turkey is refusing to obey the UN resolutions.  Now they
 call UN to intervene in Bosnia, because Serbs are doing the same thing.
 If this is not hypocricy, then what is it?  

>Sure.  If Turkey was next to Bosnia, I would doubt that
>Serbians would be that care free.

 Yes, we all know: you would go to save the muslims.  Or, better, to
 annex this land.

>>
>>>C. Akgun
>>-- 
>>---> Panos Tamamidis
>>     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

>Suit yourself.  Turkish Cypriots are trying to seal this victory on 
>the paper as well.  That is all what is buckling this settlement.  
>But I heard they had reached the end of the rope.

 Where do you see the Turkish Cypriots? How many have they left in Cyprus?
 Open your eyes, and try to see the large number of settlers from Turkey.
 It will be a joke to speak for Turkish Cypriots in a few years.
 The whole game was to annex this land.  Don't fool yourself.

>C. Akgun



-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,soc.culture.greek
Subject: THE NEW BULLY OF THE BALKANS [ Part 23,456 from 2,767,344 ]
Date: 30 Aug 92 00:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


 Sasa's latest stuff about "M", which includes numerous gross falsifications,
 were cross-posted to no less than 8 newsgroups, including
 talk.politics.misc(!) and talk.politics.theory (!!!). My replies have been
 posted to s.c.greek, s.c.yugoslavia, and s.c.bulgaria ONLY. Those
 interested in this topic, please look there for the whole truth.

 Thanks,
 Michael.

---
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From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: The Aboriginal Government and other such
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:05:12 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <morten.715429855@oase> morten@oase.kemi.aau.dk (Morten Kjeldgaard) writes:
>I think the greek have to decide for themselves whether they want to become
>a european country, or remain a balkan one.

Minor update on geography: The Balkan Peninsula is located in its
entirety on the European continent.  Ergo any Balkan country is by
virtue of this fact European.  QED.

>This nationalist nonsense is going to far.

True, but what is unEuropean about nationalism?

>One is more and more tempted to believe that the people of
>the balkans are complete lunatics.

Hope you're sure you mean the people, not e.g. the governments.

-- 
 `If ye hiv ears oan yer heid - then use them tae lissen.' (The Glasgow Gospel)
Ivan A Derzhanski   (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk;  iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)
* Centre for Cognitive Science,  2 Buccleuch Place,  Edinburgh EH8 9LW,  UK
* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
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