HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: MAOI & shrooms
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:39:09 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

eepee@polaris.utu.fi (Esa-Pekka P{lvim{ki) writes:
>Just to complicate things more, I would think, since psilocybin is a monoamine,
>MAO inhibitor should slow down its metabolism.

MAOI = MonoAmine OXIDASE Inhibitor.  What is getting oxidised? 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 06:43:38 GMT

rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
: 
: >So a bunch of pistol shells are lying around.  All that proves is that
: >pistols were fired.   Do you have any evidence that any of them were
: >automatic?  To my knowledge, there are no .22 automatics, and there is
: >only one type of automatic pistol that uses .32 caliber ammo: a Checho-
: >slav made collector/curiosity item that would certainly suprise me to
: >see as the choice of a serious criminal
: 
: There are .22 automatics, yes. Converting a semi to full is not impossible.

I doubt if it done very often. The only easy conversion - using a fixed
firing pin, means that once it starts firing, you cannot stop until the
clip is empty. That is almost totally self defeating.

: .32 caliber ammo is directly exchangeable with 7.65mm ammo, and 7.65 is
: a NATO standard, so, yes, many, many weapons take .32 caliber ammo. Ruger
: automatics come to mind ...

I assume you are talking about the 32 ACP - also known as the 7.54 Browning.
The NATO standard for such weapons is 9mm.

Ruger may make semi-automatic weapons in the caliber - I know of none that
are full automatic.
: 
: >	If you are saying pistols, revolvers, shotguns, or even rifles 
: >are common among gang members, I believe you.  However if you are saying
: >that submachine guns are common among gangmembers, or even claiming that
: >that the use of submachine guns by gangmembers is not extrordinarly rare,
: >then I cannot believe you.  Were you to provide some evidence for your 
: >claim, perhaps I could.
: 
: CAR-15s, the semi-automatic version of the M-16, are widely available.
: The difference is in the firing pin, I believe.

Wrong. The difference is in the lower receiver assembly. The housing and
internal components are quite different in the two models. There are
also other differences.

Bill

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: New designer drug
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:23:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.143311.29153@news.media.mit.edu> pierre@media.mit.edu (Pierre St. Hilaire) writes:
>The article I read specified that cathine and cathinone seem to be the only
>naturally occuring amphetamines.

Of course, the word "amphetamine" here is a bit misleading.  Perhaps
"centrally active phenylisopropylamine" is more accurate.  But even so,
don't forget ephedrine and pseudoephedrine from _Ephedra_ species.  Cathine
is simply (+)-norpseudoephedrine.  There is actually very little cathine
in Khat.  Most of the active drug is cathinone.

>Long term use is said to shut off sexual drive :(

You can see similar phenomena in chronic high-dose amphetamine and cocaine
abusers.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo)
Subject: Re:   ,   120-155
Organization: Twilight-Zone-Algorithms-Incorporated
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:13:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.163808.2673@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>In article <ADm3WhgaT6@exinco.msk.su>, ulja@exinco (ulja) writes:
>> ,     120  155 
>> 10 .   80 $      
>>. .      .
>>
>> . 095 252-09-28,:095 255-69-82
>>  .
>
>Hmm - Is this an ad selling Russian oregano ;-)?

nah, looks like a posting from the strychnine universe got garbled on
the downlink.  Did you try rot13'ng it? :-).

--gaspo.


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- Stabstelle Software / System Administrator -  \ | /  -  Schutzen,-
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: 900thousand babies born addicts in US
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:25:24 GMT

civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:

>I'm sure I heard this on the TVNZ "News" tonight.

>A US Senate report just released claims that 900000 babies have been
>born addicts, in the last three years!

	Many believe those figures are very conservative.

>Does anybody know anything about this. Have I heard these figures wrong?
>What are they addicted to?

	Milk, of course.

Jim Del Vecchio 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rlb@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robin Billings)
Subject: Re: mushroom cultivation
Organization: Plex-1, Michigan's Public Access Usenet Gateway  (Ann Arbor).
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:27:33 GMT

O.T. Oss and O.N. Oeric (sound and dream?) are in fact, Terence and Dennis
McKenna.  You can order the book from Lux Natura, 2140 Shattuck Ave., Box
2196, Berkeley, CA 94704 for around 12 bucks or so.  Write for their
catalog.



Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Heroin
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:21:59 GMT

aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:

> What? Synthetic morphine from what I have read is rather difficult to
>make and probably not even worth it. If someone wants to make a synthetic
>heroin then ketobemidone (an analog of meperidine, but not the one that
>was tainted with MPTP). I have read that it produces one of the most
>intense euphorias of the opioids. I'll have to check my reference on that.
>It was somewhat dated...

	Fentanyl (Citrate?) analogs seem like they would be a good one
for this.   I don't know anything about the ease of synthesis, but they
are very potent (200+ x morphine) and some, such as the citrate, have
a very low boiling point, which would make it ideal for smoking or
"basing", a route which I see as the most appropriate for a dangerous 
drug of this potency.

	Any chemists out there have ideas on the relative manufacturing
difficulty of fentanyl and its analogs?  Any familiar with their various
properties: MPs, BPs, solubilities, etc?

	Don't some of the synthetics differ from real narcotics in that 
they may be toxic to the liver?   I seem to remember that a heavy demerol (?) 
habit could result in a progressive sickness.   Maybe it was something
else, some of the partial agonist drugs? 

	Methadone, I remember reading, is very inexpensive to manufacture.
How it compares with other synthetics in this regard, I can't say, but
I believe it is the least expensive strong narcotic available.
It sounds like a good drug for chronic pain, with its long duration,
but I wonder if it even prescribed for that, due to its "junkie drug" 
conotations.

	
You'd need a good Elvisdoctor to get any, though, or a set
of freshly amputated legs.		8^)

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From:  ulja@exinco.msk.su (ulja)
Subject: offer bee venom
Reply-To: ulja@exinco.msk.su
Organization: Joint-Stock Venture Investment Corporation EXNET-INCO
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:51:25 -0500 

     We  would  like  to  sugest a bee venom. The price is
80 $  for one gramm by cash payment in dollars or non-cash
transfer  in  rubles  (exchange  rate  depend  on official
exchange  rate  of  Central  Bank  of  Russia). We have an
opportunity  to  vary  a  price  according to the quantity
of the lot.
     Please,  contact   by   telefone   095  252-09-28  or
fax  095  255-69-82   with   Konstantin   Jalin  (Moscow).
From: accom@terapin.com (Andrew Ross)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Hmm..
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:23:49 PST
Organization: BBS

I dunno why Im putting this here but I really dont know where else to put it so
here it is... Im interested in getting some addresses from some Dutch people to
do letter writing and mail trading and so on... Especially stoners and all...
Leave me mail.. I wanna know more about the Dutch system and what its like over
there and all that... L8r!
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:15837 talk.politics.drugs:6316
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Tim Leary's address?
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:34:34 GMT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G Barrett) writes:

> Does anyone out there know
>                    a) if Tim Leary has internet access
>                    b) if so, what his e-mail address is?
> 
> I also heard he runs a BBS somewhere. Could someone tell me where, and how to
> 

Leary says he doesn't have time to be on the net. He denied having a 
bulletin board, though he occasionally leads chat groups on the Well. It 
wouldn't surprise me if he has an address, but it would surprise me if he 
either lets it out or answers email.

Later, Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From:  ulja@exinco.msk.su (ulja)
Subject:   ,   120-155
Reply-To: ulja@exinco.msk.su
Organization: Joint-Stock Venture Investment Corporation EXNET-INCO
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 09:49:36 -0500 

 ,     120  155 
 10 .   80 $      
. .      .

 . 095 252-09-28,:095 255-69-82
  .


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From: cpeckham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Peckham)
Subject: Re: Idea for New Drug
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:15:33 GMT

In article <Iefq=ce00Vp5E_j1UY@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.alt.drugs: 9-Sep-92 re: Idea for New Drug
>NXG103@psuvm.psu.edu (692)
>
> You have probably have heard of Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR).  This is
>technology that merely allows doctors to look inside your body without cutting
>you to pieces.
>  Anyway, when they put you into one of these machines they strap you in to kee
>p all movement to a minimum.  Why.  Because it causes a REALLY strong magnetic
>field which affects the cells within your body, your brain also.  If you move w
>hile in this strong magnetic field, a force is exerted perpendicular to your
>direction of travel,  the effect--instant pudding for brains.
>  If I were you I'd stick to the slow method of turning my brain to mush instea
>d of this way.
>
>my opinions are mine and are copyrighted
>nate
>----
>
>This is one of the funniest things I've read recently.  Lemme guess,
>they taught Nate some physics recently.
>
>Pay attention, my friend.  NMR doesn't use a strong magnetic field; it
>uses a *very* rapidly changing magnetic field that causes the electrons
>in the material being studied to emit radiation similar in frequency to
>radio waves.  It's effects are less noticable than those of an X-ray.
>
>As to why you get strapped down, they want to keep you still so that you
>don't move and cause blurred images, just like they do when they X-ray
>you.
>
>-Chuck
>
>+---------------------------------------------+
>|  Charles William Swiger -- a victim of CMU  | All the world's a stage,
>|   AMS & normal mail: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu   | And we are merely players,
>|    NeXTmail: <temporarily out of order>     | Performers and portrayers....
>+---------------------------------------------+          -- RUSH, "Limelight"

Just a correction of fact: NMR *does* involve a strong (often 
superconducting magnet).  A r.f. field is also used and this
is much weaker like you said.  The straps are to avoid
blurring for the reasons already explained.  I am an NMR
spectroscopist so I should know this.

Might be of interest:
I believe that the strong _fringe_ field (leaked from the middle
of the magnet) can give me headaches.  Then again, could be something
else.  Someone else I know has been affected in the same way.  A back
iss. of New Scientist (2 yrs. ago) talked about cells with copper in 
them travelling in spirals.  Could result in altered metabolism I
guess.

Chris

anyone know how to CUT/PASTE with gnuEMACS? please e-mail me! Ta.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:39:48 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <1992Sep14.154607.21610@cbnews.cb.att.com> lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes:
]In article <1992Sep14.024318.21014@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
]>n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
]>: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
]>: 
]>: >There are .22 automatics, yes. Converting a semi to full is not impossible.
]
]Andy Freeman has $2000 for you if you can do it.

About 30 years ago, when I was in high school and had never heard of the NFA,
I converted 2 .22 automatics to full auto (they have since been destroyed).
The first one converted itself when a screw came loose. The second required
rebuilding the trigger mechanism. Yes, you can do it easily. No, I won't
do it even for $2000 because it is illegal.
-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
"Government is the agent of those who are too refined to do their own mugging."
  Joseph Sobran
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: haba@lesti.hut.fi (Harri "Haba" Suomalainen)
Subject: Re: Heroin
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<1992Sep8.133844.709@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>
	<1992Sep8.203021.24216@mits.mdata.fi>
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:39:31

In article <1992Sep8.203021.24216@mits.mdata.fi> jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:

      If heroin is converted to morphine in vivo, why is it five times more
   potent? Does it cross the blood-brain barrier better?

I'guess it is more like the substance found the brains naturally
(endorphines). It it very common drugs are modified slightly to get
different efects. All mechanisms (like with morphine) are not completely
understood even though reseptors are already found.

A good example of modifying drugs may be found in amphetamine. By alcylaing
it differently one can modify effectiveness, type of efect (stimulus etc.)
and the time drug is evective. Similar modifications can be done in most
of the drugs.
--
--
Harri Suomalainen        Harri.Suomalainen@hut.fi       haba@vipunen.hut.fi
From: ken.campbell@canrem.com (ken campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: china white
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:02:55 GMT
Reply-To: "ken campbell" <ken.campbell@canrem.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

In Toronto, there have been a rash of heroin overdose deaths - six in
one week, to be exact.  Apparently, there is some high-grade smack
cruising around which is taking users "by surprise."

I was wondering if any other cities in North America are experiencing
this phenomenon.  Any overdose waves?

Toronto cops are saying that, with crack's surge in popularity, heroin
dealers are having to offer better quality shit for lower prices -
though I wonder if heroin consumption is really tied to normal free
market place forces.  It seems there's never been a better time in
recent memory to be a junkie.

Apparently, 20 or so Colombian-based rings in Toronto are bringing the
stuff in directly from plants grown in South America.  Growing opium
poppies appears to be a recent trend in Colombia.

A female ex-junkie friend says it's "china white" and recent drug busts
have seized hundreds of grams of what they term "substantially pure
white heroin" -- with the usual bloated $ figures.  She says the street
crap is usually about 10 per cent puer, where this stuff is being
"clocked" at 50 per cent and higher.

Question: is heroin becoming "chic" again?
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario, Canadas
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Re: "War Against Drugs a Failure"
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 00:31:51 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Keywords: interesting facts

After hostilities cease we can release all of the prisoners 
that we have taken during the war.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
RE Drug Warriors who enjoy making a "good" bust: I'm sure the Salem
Witch Hunters enjoyed their law enforcement achievements too.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bowman@reed.edu (Eric Bowman (bobo))
Subject: Re: UPDATE: F*** You All UPDATE!
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:58:55 GMT

In article <BuKzu8.8vM@nic.umass.edu> procha@titan.ucc.umass.edu (PAUL ROCHA) writes:
>A side note:
>
>Someone mentioned that they thought that a person drove better under the
>influence of a marijuana.  A) I find that VERY hard to believe.  B) Under
>any circumstances, driving is a dangerous proposition.  Why make it hard on
>yourself (and the people you are driving past) by dulling your senses?  It 
>just doesn't make sense.

Long long ago when I had a car and actually smoked the shit, I found that
I generally drove better in that state.

I know many people who "find that VERY hard to believe."  Most of them have
never tried it.  Of course, if you don't think you can do it, you probably
can't, but if you are experienced and comfortable behind the wheel, it's
really *not a problem*.

Truly, I've know *dozens* of people in my life who preferred to drive stoned.
And I know there have been studies which show that it isn't necessarily a
bad thing...anyone have references?

chow fer now,
bobo
bowman@reed.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: 901371d@dragon.acadiau.ca (Danny Nathin DiDio)
Subject: Listing of Active Pro-Drug-Groups
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 21:39:11 GMT

r~ d
.

Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: re: Idea for New Drug
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:17:52 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories


In article <92253.193957NXG103@psuvm.psu.edu> NXG103@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>   You have probably have heard of Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR).  
> This is technology that merely allows doctors to look inside your body 
>without cutting you to pieces.  Anyway, when they put you into one of these >machines they strap you in to keep all movement to a minimum.  Why.  Because >it causes a REALLY strong magnetic field which affects the cells within your >body, your brain also.  If you move  while in this strong magnetic field, a >force is exerted perpendicular to your direction of travel,the >effect--instant pudding for brains.
>   If I were you I'd stick to the slow method of turning my brain to mush 
>instead of this way.

Very interesting theory. Very wrong, but still, very interesting.

Several years ago I was involved in the design and production of MRI 
subsystems, namely 10 kW RF amplifiers and gradient coil amplifiers. 10 
kilowatts of radio frequency energy has its own brand of charm, but we're 
talking magnetism here, so we'll just skip THOSE horror stories.

Gradient coils, as the name suggests, superimpose a gradient magnetic 
field over the main magnetic field in order to impart positional 
information to the emitted RF energy as the atoms in the body 'snap back' 
into alignment with the main field. The atomic angular momentum and 
precession info is then correlated out and the location of that atom can 
be determined.
(I think I just made all that up, so don't quote me on it.)

So, to get to the point, I've spent some time around high magnetic fields, 
and I'm living proof that it won't turn your brain to mush (Hey, I heard 
that, and it's not very funny). Let me put it another way. When an NMR 
machine is being set up, somebody has to go inside the main coil tube to 
do a 'hot tuning', that is null out the eddy currents or something WHILE 
THE FIELD IS ON. The most dangerous part of this is the possibility of 
someone coming in to the room with a  metal object such as a pen, a gun, 
or tines from a forklift and have them shoot across the room into or 
through the tube.

Tines from a forklift... it really happened! The technician inside got 
busted up purdy bad, but he survived.

So, no, it won't turn your brains into instant pudding.

Rob

Rob Robertson
GTE Laboratories          (617)466-4144 vox
40 Sylvan Rd.                (617)890-9320 fax
Waltham, Mass. 02254
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mycroft7@leo.unm.edu (Cliff Coy)
Subject: Yeah, Yeah, Lets Call the FBI on Fuck You All
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 22:48:02 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

   This is in response to sweeny@husc3.harvard.edu's call for everyone to
write they're congresspeople to send in the FBI, FCC, etc., etc. after
"hugo" & "Jeff".

   I disagree with this viewpoint.  I'm absoulutely positive the FCC monitors
the USENET and if they feel like going after these people I'm sure they will.
Writing congress and complaining about people who abuse the net will *not solve
the problem*.  All this will do is call attention to "the people who make the 
decisions" that people are abusing a semi-public service.  This will compell
legislatures and congress to impose restrictions which are not necessary.

   The responsibility for what gets posted is a) the poster's and b) the
sysadmin's.
In the cases of "Hugo" & "Jeff" we should be writing the sysadmins who should
take the responsibility of yanking thier accounts and pressing charges.

   This type of response of, calling on federal gov't to control a localized
 problem, says, in effect, people are incapable of taking care of themselves and
should have federal assistance for everything.

--

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Give anyone the power of fear and      | Cliff Coy
they'll be more than glad to           | 
to use it against you.                 | mycroft7@vesta.unm.edu
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From: masplund@hylkn1.Helsinki.FI (Asplund Marko S)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Psychedelic chemistry
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:11:45 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

Where can i find Psychedelic chemistry in a file ?

masplund@kruuna.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Onset Timing of Hallucinogens
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:41:23 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

>> hallucinogens.  For instance, DMT has this killer reptutation in
>> part because of the rapid onset of effects experienced by most
>> users.  Yet isn't this more due to the fact that it is normally
>> smoked or snorted than ingested orally, and that when it is
>> ingested orally in ayahuasca the onset seems to be delayed and

Hmmm. Anyone out there have any stories on snorted DMT? I have heard this
is also a popular method of use.
It  seems to me that this method would produce a less intense high due to the
lower onset time...

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From: procha@titan.ucc.umass.edu (PAUL ROCHA)
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Summary: Youth Gangs & Guns
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:49:45 GMT

Just a little thought re: Youth Gangs, guns, and the drug trade.  Youth Gangs 
are not the ones that are making the big money here folks.  The big money is
made before the drugs ever reach the level of the street.  Besides, doesn't
it occur to anyone that if gangs couldn't afford the guns, they would simply
steal them.

P. Rocha.

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