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From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Tasks That Make You Queasy (Was: RE: Sign of the Times)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:27:33 GMT
Summary: gross, but funny


Although this is funny now, at the time it was gross and made me queasy.

Changing a niece's or nephew's dirty diaper never grossed me out, but once,
while babysitting (an extended, overnight/weekend babysitting while the
parents were away) I was giving my then 2-yr-old nephew a bath.  Everything
was just fine.  Then, while I blinked or turned away to get a towel or
something, I look and see a big poopie turd floating in the tub!  I had to
quickly drain the tub and get that turd outta there, grabbing the mushy
turd with tons of toilet paper,  cleaning the tub,  the kid, and giving the
kid a fresh bath.   At the time, it did make me queasy, but now it seems
so funny.  Being an aunt sure is good mom practice!

Christine
due in 22 (?) days !!


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ddg@mitre.org (Donna D. Gregorio)
Subject: Maternity lv and day care
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:41:47 GMT

I am expecting my second child in May and am trying to decide what to do
about continuing Day Care for my first 2.5 yr old daughter while on
maternity leave (3 months).  I would like to take her out of Day Care and
spend the time with her and the new baby.  I've been told by the Day Care
center director and others that this may negatively affect her, since she's
used to going to Day Care now 3 days a week.  Anyone have any
advice/experience they'd like to share?  Thanks in advance.

- Donna
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Effacing (?)
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:22:37 GMT

reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.223805.27394@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
>>Hi.  My daughter went to the doctor today.  She is 36 weeks.  He told
>>her that she is 40% effaced (this has been just since last Thursday).
>>
>>Any thoughts as to how long it may be before she has this darling
>>baby girl?  I knew nothing about effacing when I had my two (years
>>ago).

>It's impossible to tell.  Engagement, effacement, and even dilation are
>not accurate predictors of when labor will begin.  Some women walk
>around effaced and dilated for days or even weeks before real labor
>starts.  Others do all their effacement and dilation in three hours of
>labor.  The best you can say is "sometime in the next month, probably".

Be careful about what you speak of concerning effacement and dilation.
You won't find many women walking around with 100% effacement who are
NOT going to be going into labor within the next 24-48 hours.  A woman
can be at a certain percentage of effacement AND be a couple of centimeters
dilated at the same time, but if she is 100% effaced, there is an 
excellent chance that she will kick into active labor within 24 hours,
if not sooner, since all that is left at this point is to dilate to
10 centimeters and push the little critter out.  Remember that "effacement"
is a term used to denote the thinning out of the cervical wall.

allen
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: donm@intacc.uucp (Don McKellar)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 23:10:44 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

In article <1992Dec31.160227.24191@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> ajaym@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (alton.jay.mitchell) writes:
>> If she did think of it as a negative, it wouldn't be because *you* think so.
>> And when applied to circumcision, the same applies.
>> 
>>>	"REASON" is used by our own experiences.
>>>
>>>	"HUMAN RIGHTS"? What does that have to do with it?


Open your eyes, citizen!  Do you not see?
This barbaric practice impinges on our most fundamental of rights:
The Inalienable Right of Man to Bear Foreskin.

It can not be denied.

Now shut up about it.


donm
--donm@intacc.uucp

(That's "bear", by the way, not "bare" :)
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Childcare Holiday standards
Date: 24 Dec 92 11:23:34 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, peac@sybase.com (Jeff Peacock) writes:
>I have a question for those of you who use day care.  How do your daycare
>providers charge for Holidays/Vacations?

I assume you are talking about Family Day Care here (provider in her
own home, max of about 6 children).  For my family daycare provider,
here is what I do.
- Any holidays that I have off with pay, she gets off with pay. (this
therefore includes Christmas Day and New Year's Day.)
- Any vacation days I take off, she gets paid.
- Any days SHE takes off, when I would plan to be working, she does
not get paid.

Since I took all summer off for maternity leave :-), and my kids have
been sick a lot this fall :-(, I have NO vacation time left.  THerefore,
I am not taking any time off this season.  My provider wanted Christmas
Eve and New Year's Eve off, so she is not being paid for those two days.
(My husband is taking off with the kids, although if the daycare were
open he would be working.  I'm at work on Christmas Eve, the only one
in the building :-( ).

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2.5 years, and Carrie, 6 months
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach")
Subject: re: 4 yr old not talking!
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:33:40 GMT

I'll second Lisa Lewis - rare counterexamples nonwithstanding (and these are
often kids with lots of older siblings),  any kid not talking by 3 needs to be
evaluated IMMEDIATELY!  For those of you who don't already know, here's where
I come from:  PhD Linguistics, so I know the data (:-)), 3 year old child with
hearing impairment, so I've lived it and know many other kids with related
problems (:-().  The AVERAGE age for a DEAF child to be diagnosed is 18
months!!  Pediatricians often "test" by clapping behind kids, etc.  Even
pretty deaf kids can sense the vibrations from that.  THATS HOW THEY DON'T GET
TESTED EARLY ENOUGH!!  This kid is frustrated, and needs a way to communicate!

I too live in Boston, so I'm emailing specific info on people to see, etc. to
Emilie.  Please let me know if anyone else wants that info.  Even if you're
ever just worried about your kids' speech/language/hearing, feel free to email
me for info, etc.

I know some about other language disorders (processing, aphasias, etc) but
have less personal experience.  However, I do know exactly who to contact in
this town, and I do have a sense for what is normal and what is worth checking
out.  Also, parents know their kids best.  In this case, I'd bet they know
there's a problem, or they'd accept what the doctor said.  Trust your
instincts first!!
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Advice, please: frequent peeing (4YO)
Date: 28 Dec 1992 04:01:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, clark_b@cho006.cho.ge.com () says:

>As of Friday morning (12/18), our 4 YO son began urinating very
>frequently, roughly once per hour.  Sunday, a urine sample
>was checked for signs of urinary tract infection and diabetes
>- both negative.  He apparently has no pain either, a usual
>symptom of UTI.  He sleeps through the night just fine.
>
>He normally goes 4-6 hours between peeing.  It's not that he's
>producing a usual amount of urine in one hour, since the volume
>is quite small.  It's that he feels the need (physiological or
>psychological) to go.  All other behavior is normal (for this
>time of year, anyway :-).  He doesn't even seem aware of the change.
>
>Any suggestions/comments appreciated.

     My first few months away from home in college, I noticed that I began
to go more frequently out of nervousness; after a few months, this gradually
died down once I got used to the surroundings, etc.  My guess is that there
is some change - or perceived change  - in his life that he is perhaps
overly tense about.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
    Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
he ran to first and made it?     : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen)
Subject: Re: Lying to children
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:41:27 GMT

In article <C03027.M71@encore.com> rcollins@encore.com writes:
>I was wondering if anyone else out there is a scrooge like myself in not
>wanting to lie to my kids about Santa.  I catch hell from every other
>adult about it.  I'm going to give 3 reasons why I don't do lie
>to my kids about it.
>
>1.  I teach my kids lying is wrong.  Enough said.
>
>2.  A few days ago my 5 year old asked regarding her friend, "why is her
>mom so mean?" [Apparently, her mom had said "no" on several requests to
>play, spend the night, etc.  and the daughter complained about her mom.
>I noticed that the friend had been riding a new pair of in-line roller
>skates every time I saw her since Christmas.] My reply to my daughter
>was, "Who gave her those roller skates that she has been enjoying so
>much recently?" My daughter answered, "Santa Claus." (I let it go for
>then; we didn't have enough time to talk about it.)  I don't think it
>would hurt most kids to know their gifts came from their sacrificing,
>generous, loving parents, rather than old Saint Nick.

Children are much smarter than many parents give them credit for, and they
are getting world-wise at ever younger ages now.  I never told my 4-year-old
that there's no Santa; but since I never explicitly told her there was,
she's been able to pretty much deduce the facts from her own observations.
Sure she hears about Santa in books and TV, but I think any notions about
a real Santa are quickly dismissed in her own mind when she sees the
swarm of sidewalk and department store santas in the real world.  She may
even say her presents are from Santa without really believing it, just as
she pretends the form letters from "Minnie Mouse" are really from her "best
friend" Minnie, or that the Minnie she saw in Disneyworld is the real thing:
she knows it's not the real Minnie, but has lots of fun pretending.

On rare occassions she'd say something like "there's no real Santa Claus,
right dad?", and I just answer "right", without making a big deal out of it;
she just needs some confirmations of her observations at this point.  I don't
see any benefit in constructing some BIG LIE about this; in fact I think many
kids see through the LIE faster than their parents think, and some will
pretend to believe in Santa well into grade school years just to "please"
their parents.  I fail to see how such miscommunication can benefit the
parent-child relationship in any way.
==
Peter Chen
pwyc@ihspa.att.com
From: gwynne@stein.u.washington.edu (Kristan Geissel)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Survey: # of Kids You Are Having.....
Date: 28 Dec 92 23:22:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1ho278INNljd
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

as opposed to the number of siblings YOU and YOUR partner have.

I read an editorial in the Sunday _Times/PI_ advocating the 
creation of something called the Cascade State College to be
located on the eastside and being made up of the Bothell (is
that REALLY the eastside) and Bellevue Community College.

The editorial's rationale for this was the huge expected influx
of baby boomers' babies over the next 20 years.  But my visual
research (school mates of my daughter's) and some research done
by NSF show that there is going to be a huge DECLINE in college
enrollment due to the now lower birthrate.

Most "true" babyboomers are in their 40s now and I am pushing it
for another child (36).  In my case, I have one child compared to
to the 3 my parents had and the 2 kids my ex's parents had.

So, how about it?  Is this new college being built based on reality
or is it something that most likely will go to bust in 25 years or 
so? 

If there is enough interest I will post the survey results and, if
the results are as I think they will be, I most likely write at
least a letter to the editor incorporating these results (anony-
mously results-wise, of course).

Kristan
gwynne@u.washington.edu
Date: Thursday, 31 December 1992 13:07:18 MST
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.15R
From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: False Analogies (was: A few facts about circumcision)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Distribution: world

In <1992Dec31.145255.3618@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)  wrote:
# What basis do you use to justify making this decision for the infant?  In
# answering this question, I would caution you not to use false analogies
# like comparing the circumcision decision to immunizations or any other 
# decision that parents make for children.  With circumcision we are talking
# about a medically unnecessary procedure, that if done to an unconsenting
# adult would result in legal action against those involved.

  Since you bring up false analogies, please note that you can get sued
  for ANY medical procedure performed on an unconsenting adult.  In
  fact, you can get sued for just about ANYTHING you do to an
  unconsenting adult.  For instance: feeding, bathing, dressing,
  immunizing, putting to bed at night, involuntary confinement, ...

--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
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From: czo84228@dcsc.dla.mil (Kevin L. Wright)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: The Chimney Song
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:20:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Defense Construction Supply Center, Columbus

There's a novelty Christmas song that starts:

"There's somethin' stuck up in the chimney,
and I don't know what it is...."

It's sung by a little girl (or someone imitating a girl).

Who recorded it?  It's a cute song that gets trotted out on radio stations
in my city every Christmas.

Kevin
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:04:02 EST
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Our early Christmas

Well, we will soon be off for the mountains of Colorado to spend Christmas
with Grandma and Grandpa.  Yesterday we opened our presents at home, and
true to form, Douglas (15 mos.) was most interested in the two most
inexpensive presents he received.  Craig had gotten him a few refrigerator
magnets shaped liked footballs, basketballs, and baseballs and had wrapped
them in a small box.  Doug must have spent 20 minutes putting them in and
out of the box and carrying them around.  Until he opened the next favorite
toy, a plastic milk jug and four balls and a hammer that we picked up at the
last minute at the Dollar Store.  (By the way, what is the point of the
hammer with this toy???  You don't use it to bang the balls in or out, it
doesn't make noise when you hit the bottle, any ideas?)

Along the lines of the recent posts about Christmas trees, Doug has been
very good with our tree.  He loves to see the lights turned on and goes
right to the tree every morning.  I'm afraid he will be a little
disappointed when we take it down.  One evening he seemed unusually quiet
and a quick check found him lying on the floor by the tree staring up at
the lights.  He looked positively angelic.

I hope everyone enjoys the holiday season at their house.  And best wishes
for a new year filled with health and happiness.

Chris Himes (and Craig + Douglas)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: hyler@ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Subject: Holiday Medical Help (was Re: _whine_)
Reply-To: hyler@ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:27:56 GMT

Having survived now, I thought I would send out a "think about this"
message:

  What do you do when your child gets sick on a major holiday and you
  will need both Doctor and Pharmacy?

Of course, the hospital emergency room is always available, but unless
you are seriously hurt you will wait and wait and wait with a miserably
sick child.

David (almost 6) came down with an earache (ALWAYS an ear infection in
his case) at 11:30pm Christmas Eve.  We gave him Tylenol which usually
helps with the pain, but no go for some reason.  We gave him a second
dose at around 3:30am and that seemed to help for he was able to sleep
after that.  And he appeared to be fine that morning but was running a
fever.  I called the answering service for the doctor and found out
that there was an Urgent Care center open from 9-6 that day.  I also
found out that there was a 24 hour Pharmacy open nearby  (it turns out
the only one for a radius of about 30 miles).  Also, the Urgent Care
had samples and was able to give us a 2 day supply until we could get
to the pharmacy.

Anyway, I now know that this Urgent Care is open most days from
8am-10pm and usually shorter hours on weekends/holidays, but still open.

If you don't already know, you might make a point of finding out what
your alternatives are to the Emergency Room year around (especially
holidays).  When your child is sick this worry is the last thing you
need.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!
---
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Buffy Hyler (hyler@ast.saic.com)
SAIC, Campus Point
San Diego, California
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Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:42:33 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <1992Dec29.191816.8746@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes:
> It is hard for us to let continue a practice with no good reason that involves
> a non-consenting third party.  It would be a totally different matter if
> the decision were your's about your body.

And therin lies the crux of this whole discussion.  It is hard for you
to "let continue a practice".  It is not your place to let or not let
the practice continue.  Parents make choices for their kids at an age
where the kids are incapable of making the decisions for themselves. 
That's what parents are for.  For better or worse THEY make the
decisions based on their best information and knowledge, not you. 
Nothing says you can't try and inform them of facts you feel have been
overlooked by the medical establishement UNTIL said informing becomes
intrusive. 

I was circumsized.  Doesn't bother me a bit.  My father wasn't.  Didn't
bother him a bit either.  Not even in the locker room at the country
club.  Am I glad it was done to me? No opinion either way.  Am I glad it
was done when I was too young to give a damn one way or another? You bet
your tintype I am.  I can see an imaginary scene where some misplaced
law forces parents to wait until a child hits the age of, say, 13 to
decide if he wants 'the clip job' or not.  The kids answer would likely
be:

"You wanna do WHAT? To my WHAT?!?!?!?!?!? No friggin' way!"

Which would make all the anti-circumcision people exceedingly happy but
would not necessarily be The Right Thing [tm].

-- 
 vogon1!compnect!frackit!dave@psuvax1.psu.edu            |  Dave Ratcliffe  |
 - or - ..uunet!wa3wbu!frackit!dave                      |  Sys. <*> Admin. |
                                                         | Harrisburg,  Pa. |
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: Stop Grabbing Your Penis!
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:53:04 GMT

In article <BzoCCH.EG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
(About not just telling your sons not to grab their penis, because they
might think it is a bad thing to do ...)

Well, I personally *do* think that masturbation is not really a very
good thing to do, but ...

We describe (for both the son and the daughter) the parts of the body
down there as private parts.  Our litany is "private parts are for
private places."  This includes grabbing and/or exposing private parts,
including (for us) running around naked.

This has worked very well for us.  Of course, Tim hasn't ever really
grabbed his penis in public.  He's much to interested in scratching
the eczema he inevitably gets on his bottom.  And he tends to put his
finger in his anus when he thinks he needs to poop ... oh joy.  Which
is more socially unacceptable, masturbating in public or putting
your finger up your anus in public?

FYI, our daughter also doesn't show any strong interest in her private
parts, either ...

-- Misty


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Daycare & being sick
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:48:11 GMT

mueller@gdc.com (Kevin Smith) writes:

>Allen Warren (allen@tessi.com) wrote:
>> 33s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angie Brvenik) writes:
>> 
>> >My son Zachary (19 months) is now attending a Daycare Center.  He loves
>> >it!  Hes learned so much in the 2 months that he has been there.  He
>> >was in an in home daycare before with only one other toddler.
>> 
>> >The problem Im having is that Zachary has been sick alot since he has
>> >started at this daycare.  It started with a cold and then a cough and
>> 
>> Cory is 3.5, his younger brother Nicky is 1.5.  Cory has been in day
>> care (2 or 3 days a week) for a little over a year now.  Like some good
>> friends of ours who have a daughter in day care, Cory seems to get a
>> cold once or twice a month because there is ALWAYS at least one sick
>> child in daycare.

>Hate to be the bearer (sp?) of bad news but this just gets worse 
>as the children hit school. I have two that are going through
>this process and I have NEVER had this many colds before.

>	Good luck

I have every bit of confidence that this will continue for years to
come!  =)  I know it's just part of having kids and dealing with new
strains of viruses, etc.  I remember getting colds quite frequently
when I was younger, but then, I also remember running out without a coat
on quite a bit, or taking off my coat when it was snowing outside only
because I was real hot from running around the playground!

allen
From: michelle@cs.utk.edu (Michelle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Birth Announcement!
Date: 3 Jan 1993 01:26:16 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu


I know I haven't been around to ask many diapering questions for the last
couple of months (moved and have NO net access unless I call long distance)
but I wanted to proudly announce the birth of our very first child.

Savannah Rose Davison was born on December 22, 1992 at 7:32 a.m.

She weighed 7 pounds 14.5 ounces and was 21 inches long.

What a fun experience!  (Yeah, I know, you all are saying "birth, fun?")

Cheers!

Michelle
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