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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:35:21 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <ewright.726527957@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>In <rawdon.726435004@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>>>Since Big E was his ship before it was Riker's, then he retains
>>>command. Now, Riker is a Captain without a ship. This is why he
>>>is offered (basically) his pick of the remaining fleet (at the
>>>time, he was the 2nd 'best' captain, with Picard being the
>>>best). When Riker refuses command of any other ship,

>>But he DIDN'T refuse command of any ship.  He DIDN'T ANSWER AT ALL.  
>>(This is one of the colossally stunning weaknesses of "The Best Of Both 
>>Worlds".)

>No, you didn't *hear* Riker answer.  He undoubtedly answered sometime
>after the closing credits.

From an artistic standpoint, this is disastrously shoddy writing (which
undercuts much of the power of the show - well, whatever was left after the
rabbit-out-of-the-hat solution to the Borg).

From the standpoint of this argument, then, you are asserting that Riker
turned down his fourth command offer (this one of "any ship in the fleet")
off-camera?  Fine.

>>Incidentally, even if we grant all you've said above, then, if you're right,
>>this wouldseem to me to be sufficient cause for Starfleet Command to write 
>>off Riker as a possible captain for any ship.  If they actually gave him 
>>his pick of the litter, and he refused, why on Earth would they give him the
>>Enterprise?

>Illogical.  Illogical.  Norman, coordinate. 

>If Picard had not returned, and Star Fleet offered Riker his choice
>of commands, he would have picked the Enterprise.  Thus, he would not
>have "refused his pick of the litter," thus Star Fleet would not have
>that reason for refusing to give him the Enterprise.

But instead, Picard returned and he "refused his pick of the litter" anyway?
How is this different?  Or are you now asserting that he was NOT offered his
choice of command?  Please make up your mind.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI

"Childbirth is NOT a miracle.  Life is NOT sacred.  When you have twenty
 thousand nomads huddled between two rivers in the Middle East and that's it
 for Homo sapiens, when one in five children is a live birth, one in ten
 living past the age of ten, THEN childbirth IS a miracle and life IS sacred.
 When the average age of a grandmother in Philadelphia's housing projects is
 twenty-five, to call childbirth a miracle is at least a tasteless joke and at
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From: laurahal@microsoft.com (Laura Halliday)
Subject: Re: Space Rangers SUCKS BIG TIME!!!
Date: 07 Jan 93 20:47:58 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation


I figured it was worth a look, and it was. But not much more.

One thing they *did* get right was the gritty low-tech (=low budget,
probably) Alien/Star Cops/Red Dwarf look of everything. Get the story
right and it doesn't matter what things look like. If anything, the
worse the sets and the schlockier the effects, the better. Ever watched
Dr. Who?

...laura

@d std.disclaimer "I can count the digits in my bank balance on one hand,\
and my name is not Bill. Thus, I do not speak for Microsoft."
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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Alex "Mystic" Soto)
Subject: Re: Linear existence. 
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:28:08 GMT


Steve,
	We meet again.  The Universe is not big enough for both of us!!!
My only complaint with your explanation is whether the beings have the power
to erase Siscko (sp?) from our time.  They seem to know very little about
linear time and our universe, don't they?  I had seen/thought the same
thing you did, but when that part came, I assumed that b'cse he is in the
wormhole - where no time passes, they could erase his existence from there
on, but not as though he hadn't existed - after all, that would violate
the first law of time!  :) 
	Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)

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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Organization: Utopia Planitia Starfleet Yards, Mars
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 07:52:54 GMT

In article <9773.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com> scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)  writes:
>On Date: 31 Dec 92 23:49:35 GMT, brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) wrote:
>
>VI>More fuel for the fire.  The TV Guide article uses DS9 for the abbreviation
>VI>and, catch this, the script for "Emissary" uses DS9 for the abbreviation and
>VI>Deep Space Nine when fully used.
>
>That would seem to settle it, in my opinion.  If Michael Piller spells it

We know how he puts it on HATS at least...

But, if it's so "settled", then WHY isn't the show
called "Deep Space 9"??

:->

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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: after finally seeing ds9
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:34:10 GMT

In article <C0povB.DzL@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.153240.7659@ra.msstate.edu> cea1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Carolyn E. Adams-Price) writes:

>>SINCE O'BRIEN IS A NONCOMMISSIONED OFFICER, IS HE EVEN ALLOWED ON
>>THE BRIDGE OF THE ENTERPRISE?

That's why I stopped watching TNG.  I just couldn't handle the major
plot holes anymore.


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From: tom@europa.lonestar.org (Tom Kimball)
Subject: Re: DS9 Station
Organization: Moria Mining Guild (BBS) -- Dallas, Texas, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:39:38 GMT

In article <93007.160006JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu> Jeffrey S. Payne <JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.100847.882@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
>trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao) says:
>
>>In article <1993Jan7.000818.16419@phx.mcd.mot.com> rolandb@phx.mcd.mot.com
>>(roland blackwell) writes:
>>>Who built the space station in DS9? If the Federation built it, why were
>>>the Cardassians running it? If the Cardassians Built it, why would they
>>>abbandon it?  If the Bjorn(sp) built it, perhaps they didn't need Cardassian
>>>help in the first place.  I'm not trying to be smart, I'm just confused.
>>>
>
>>I remember reading somewhere that the Ferengi built it, but I'm not sure.
>
>>Live Long and Prosper.
>
>>Sanjai Rao.
>
>DS9 was built and operated by the Cardassians (Sisko refered to his office as
>being "Cardassian architechture") and was abandoned after Jelico and the Feds
>chased the Cards out of the sector (a la Chain of Command)  The Cards were so
>grumpy that they trashed the place.


No.  The Cardassians gave the Bejorans their independance because (1)
They already stripped Bejor of most of its wealth.  (2) The Bejorians
were fighting for independance.

The Cardassians built the space station to aid in their administration of
Bejor.  They ruled the planet from the space station, although doubtless
they also had occupation forces on the planet. 


-- 
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
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Subject: Re: DS9: Bajoran spaceflight
Date: 9 Jan 1993 05:58:59 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <1il21pINNjh1@shelley.u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu writes:

> In article <C0K4GB.HnK@cup.hp.com> jem@cup.hp.com (Jim McCauley) writes:
> >Which might be subtitled, "Why Don't the Bajorans Own the Universe?"
> 
> 	Because not all races are as relentlessly imperialistic as the
> North American-white dominated Federation.

  Oh come on, the USA hasn't invaded a South American country in at least two
years.  The Canadians might invade themselves, but I don't think that counts...

  Not surprised this was posted by a left coast theater type though (if I may
join you in rampant generalizations...:-) ).


semper fi,

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From: pvezina@uvmark.uucp (Philippe Vezina)
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Subject: Where's Keiko mystery
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:41:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1993Jan05.214122.48168
Organization: VMark Software, Inc.


     Although she wasn't actually pictured in the Deep Space 9 premiere, 
O'Brien did say that his 'wife' had already checked out their 'living
quarters' in the beginning half of the pilot. This would make me think that
she too is now banished to Deep Space 9 along with the rest of the dregs of
the galaxy.

                           (just my 2 cents....)
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From: ARL00FEF@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Subject: Re: DS9: Bajoran leader & Monty Python
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:08:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.192447.25247@ee.gatech.edu>
su@eedsp.gatech.edu (Jonathan Su) writes:
 
>Every time I saw the Barjoran spiritual/religious leader, I was immediately
>reminded of Brian's mother in Monty Python's "Life of Brian."  As a result, I
>couldn't sit through any of her scenes without cracking up.  Anyone else see
>such a similarity?
 
Now that you mention it! Yes, I see it.
 
 
 
 
>
>--
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>Georgia Tech, School of Electrical Engineering, Atlanta, GA  30332-0250
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From: marchini@ds10.scri.fsu.edu (Juan Marchini)
Subject: Re: Space Rangers SUCKS BIG TIME!!!
Reply-To: marchini@ds10.scri.fsu.edu (Juan Marchini)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 22:34:15 GMT

In article <07JAN93.05127286.0058@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B7QT@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (B7QT000) writes:
>
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I don't know about you, but was Space Rangers CHEESEY or WHAT??!!!
>Dumb dialog, mediocre acting (with one or two exceptions), SFX
>were amateurish.

i agree with you it sucked real bad, but...

>Oh come on, why is the pilot in a prone
>position!!!  

i thought the pilot in prone position was a very neat, and i'm not being
sexist.

>Marinina Sirtis had to wear a corset to make her
>look thinner in order to look sexier (and uncomfortable) in her
>uniform (or not a uniform, we'll see in the next new episode).
>Did you get a load of the iron maiden corset this poor woman
>has to wear???  WHY!!!! For what purpose??
>

uh, if you remember at the beginning of the show she busted a couple of ribs,
which for a very good reason to wear a corset.

>Do we really need another violent, socially unredeeming, cops
>show on TV??  I mean, there were more bullets flying in the premiere
>than there is phasar fire in one season of Star Trek!!!
>
>Drug Lords?? Oh please come up with something more original.  I think
>CBS is just trying to cash in on the Sci_fi explosion and IMHO they
>have missed the boat.  The only 2 characters I enjoyed were that
>blind empath with the martial arts skills and the robot (artifial
>life form).. Since the robot is gone, that leaves one good
>character.  The plot was very predictable.  Anyway, what's next?
>I haven't seen DS9 in Montreal yet.  Lets hope its better!!!
>Sorry for misspelling Marina Sirtis' name!!
>
>
>Indy
>
>- My other vehicle is a Galaxy Class Starship.....


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From: pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals)
Subject: Re: Cardassia = Iraq
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:55:40 GMT

00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington) writes:
: In article <1993Jan5.153407.20196@ra.msstate.edu>, paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil) writes:
: > 
: > Cardassia = Eastern Europe 
: 
: I thought it should be Bajor = Eastern Europe... for the same reasons below...
: 
: > since after the Soviet Union pulled out we see that there are
: > environmental problems there as well as the depth of poverty that
: > Communism left.
: 
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There is a good point to be made that Cardassian culture is patterned after
the old iron curtain countries or for that matter any one of a number of South
American countries. However, the pararells to Iraq are so pointed as to be 
(almost) irrefutable: Here we have an aggressive military dictatorship who 
resenting the West is poised to forceably take a strategic piece of land 
(Kuwait) claiming it is their rightful (Babylonian) heritage. Even the
nature 
of their military prowess is the same; huge but a step or two behind the
West. 
Really, does any other country fit the criteria as closely as Iraq? The
only difference I can see is that the Federation stopped the Cardassian 
invasion of Minos Korva whereas the West was caught napping when Iraq invaded
Kuwait.
                           IN SUMMARY:

        Cardassia                               Iraq
        ---------                               -----

Claims nearby Minos Korva                Claims nearby Kuwait
Huge aggressive military                 Huge aggressive military
Slightly behind the Fed in Tech.         Slightly behind the West in Tech.
Wants doomsday Metagenic weapon          Wants doomsday A-bomb weapon
Uses torture as matter of course         Uses torture as matter of course
Lays claim to ancient greatness          Lays claim to ancient greatness

BTW this is probably a subject for another thread but I always saw the
Bajorans = Palestinians.


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Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 15:36:03 EST
From: Jon Carr <IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
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Subject: Re: Vulcan Captain??? (Major Mistake!!!)

I haven't looked at it again recently, but my initial reaction was that
the Vulcan in command of the Saratoga was the Romulan from last season's
"The Next Phase."  Anyone know for sure (or am I way out in left field?)

    -----> Jon                                   Jon Carr
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    How about those 21-0-1 Black Bears!!!  M-A-I-N-E GO BLUE!!!!
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data Alien 3 Doctor?
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:58:50 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <14084@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, dl91@ecs.soton.ac.uk (D Lewis) writes:
> No, the doctor in Alien 3 was played by Charles Dance, as I remember.
> 
> Right, enough of that. 
> 
> According to Satellite TV, the last 'new' episode of ST:TNG is on
> January 14th, "Best of Both Worlds, Part I". The following day has
> a repeat of "Encounter at Farpoint, Part I". However, an unnamed 
> episode the week after is described roughly as :
> "Captain Picard is still trapped on the alien/Borg vessel",
> which would suggest BOBW, Part II. Wuz gon on?

Sure sounds like BOBW II to me...

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From: "paul manson" <paul.manson@canrem.com>
Subject: best episode?
Reply-To: "paul manson" <paul.manson@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:56:39 EST

I can't figure out private mail routing hence a public vote.

1.  The Inner Light.
2.  The Big Goodbye
3.  Elementary Dear Data
3.  The Perfect mate
4.  Who Watches the Watchers
5.  True Q

LL&P

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From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
Subject: Re: The worms within...
Originator: smintz@sedona
Reply-To: arentzis@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:21:15 GMT


One quick question; does the human that the worm is living in, have any free will
of it's own, ei..is it a colonial creature, or is the human host's brain bypast,
and it is just a vehicle for the worm until the worm decides on a new host....if
that is a case, these worms are not better than the Bugs that take over the
bodies of the Star Fleet's Higher ups, in the third season...
Stephen
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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Alex "Mystic" Soto)
Subject: Re: Linear existence.
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:28:09 GMT

evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans) writes:

>What are you calling the first law of time?

The first law of Time states (loosely stated) that you cannot do anything to 
interfere/change history and what has happenned already.  If everybody
could mess around with time, where would the universe be - would anything
be certain at any point?  Then of course there's things like the Blinovitch
Limitation Effect, but now we're getting out of the original discussion.
	Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)
From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
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Subject: Re: The Final Star Trek Movie?
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:31:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan12.163130.24973
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, UCLA

In a previous article jcastle@missing.kludge.com (Jeff Castle) spake...
>How about; Star Trek VII: The Search for Cash
>That was part of a routine this comedian did, about replacingthe entire
>cast of the enterprise (except Kirk) with other actors..

It's also a rip-off from Sapceballs! when Yogurt (Mel Brooks) says, "God knows
we'll all wind up in Spaceballs II: The search for more money."
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From: weaver@kuttner.sfc.sony.com (Eric Weaver)
Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
Organization: SONY Advanced Video Technology Center San Jose, CA USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:23:43 GMT



I believe it is US NAVAL tradition to call officers "sir" and 
address junior officers (below  full Commander) as "mister," regardless
of gender.  Any navy types out there?

Seems I once read a novel "Active Measures" about the CIA, and therein
a female superior was called "sir."  I wonder if that's due to the 
CIA's lineage from Naval Intelligence.... 
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From: alyon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (arthur alexander lyon)
Subject: Re: Comments CoC I: Enterprise Crew are Whiners
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:36:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.210128.940@mis.mi04.zds.com> ryonkers@mis.mi04.zds.com (Russell Yonkers) writes:
>
>There are times that commanders in military command have to be able to just give orders and have them followed.  Jellico was not required and didn't have the time to spoonfeed all the crew.  They were very much out of line and wimpy about the whole thing.  It was about time  they woke up and smelled the roses!

I agree!

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From: tatlow@dash.lmo.dec.com (Tom Tatlow)
Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
Reply-To: tatlow@athena.lmo.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, AI Technology Center
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:57:07 GMT


In article <1993Jan07.224350.12569@eng.umd.edu>, clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
>
>   I could be wrong, but the reason I thought that they used sir and mister
>had to do with how they wanted to resolve the issue of Miss., Mrs., and
>Ms. 

I think it makes sense for Starfleet to have only one form of address for
superior officers.  Otherwise, what would they do for species with three or
more genders or only one gender (as seen on TNG) or no gender?



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