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Subject: Re: uk trout
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 11:14:37 +0000

In article <1hqsmcINN82m@golem.wcc.govt.nz> kenealy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
| Can anyone tell me if one can flyfish in the uk WITHOUT spending thousands of
| pounds? 
| I hear that a licence is around 5000 pounds ie it's a sport for the rich only.
| I'm not rich but I will be in England for a year.
| 
NO NO NO -- it is generally much cheaper than that. The basic licencse
is about 25 pounds a year, probably less (It's been a year since I paid
for it, so I can't really remember). On top of that, you pay a varying
amount for the fishing, depending on where you are and what you want. At
the very high end, on the chalk streams that everyone has heard of, this
can be 200 pounds a day. On large stillwaters, with acclimatised and
very impressive trout (impressive at least if you don't come from NZ),
reckon on about 20 pounds a day, and probably more for the hire of a
boat.

Small stillwaters, stocked with some very large rainbows, about 25 to 40
pounds a day.

There is cheap chalk-stream fishing available, too, such as the
Salisbury and District Angling Club, which is about 50 to join and 40 a
year thereafter, and has ten miles of the upper Hampshire Avon and some
of the other small rivers which flow into it around Salisbury, a little
downstream of where Frank Sawyer lived and invented his nymphs. We were
members for a couple of years, but I got depressed by the number of
other members, since I am a wilderness freak.

There is some lovely fishing available in the West Country and in
Scotland. It need not be expensive at all.

If I knew more precisely where you would be, and what you would like, I
could be more helpful. But the basic message is that you should bring
your tackle. If you can afford to run a car, you can afford to fish
here. The only thing in really short supply is solitude.

Email me if you think this is of limited interest to others, but it
might turn into a productive thread if many people are interested in the
topic
 
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From: shehadi@stsci.edu
Subject: POWERBAIT
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 11:43:35 GMT

Has anyone had success using the power baits for Yellow or White Perch ?

If so, how did you fish the power bait ?


			Thanks

				Paul S.








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From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: Grnhouse & ICE
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 04:09:05 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-31-92 23:04
RD:From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
RD:When I was considerably younger, we 'ice fished' from slightly before
RD:christmas until the end of March.  In the last ten years, only one time
RD:has the ice been safe around christmas, and it is ALWAYS gone by the end
RD:of February (Michigan, Ann Arbor-Detroit Area).  In addition, golf
RD:courses used to close from October until April, now, they charge into
RD:November, and reopen in March.
RD:Skiing, snow, cold etc...descreased substantially the last decade.
RD:This is one of the best measures of the greenhouse effect I know.  While
RD:all the politicians (and Scientists) argue over whether the greenhouse
RD:effect is real, any outdoorsman worth their salt knows the real answer.

 I don't agree, especially coming off the worst non-Summer that I can 
remember (ptiu for said Greenhouse Effect).
 
 My geographical location is about 220 miles "up the road" from you in 
Toronto. As a kid, I can clearly remember when there would be some 
winters when  the natural ice rinks wouldn't be frozen until February
and as for ice fishing............about 45 miles North of Toronto, we 
find "open water" at least until the New Year. Generally it's 
mid-January and Ontario Law stipulates the Huts are removed March 
15th.
 
 I'm not a baseball fanatic but since the inception of the Bluejays, 
it has always snowed on the opening game (before SkyDome and when they 
played on an open field {first week in April}). This "global warming" 
topic is a complete Hoax and scare tactic.
 
 Also, I might add that the Detroit Area is "snowbelt", we don't get 
anyway near the copious amounts of "hard rain" that you people do, 
however the temperatures are similar (we're on the Leeward side of the 
Lake, hence it gets dumped on Buffalo and Oswego, NY).
 
 Sure the eruption of Mt. Pinutobo (spelling marginal) in the 
Phillipines is being blamed for last Summer but so far I have yet to 
experience said "Global Warming"........
 
  Regards
   Marv
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: How to tie power bait fly?
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:10:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec23.152339.26517@Princeton.EDU> jmd@kastle.Princeton.EDU (John M. Danskin) writes:
>In article <16041@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
:writes:
:|> In article <1992Dec21.172254.22890@coe.montana.edu>
:ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White) writes:
:...
:|> Actually I posted something the other day about simulating an egg with
:|> powerbait in front of a leech or minnow imitation pattern.  I mentioned
:|> this to a friend of mine and he thought it might be a good idea but said
:|> that it might be illegal in some places.  Where restriction are "artificial
:|> lures with single barbless hooks" this in usually thought of to be flies.
:|> Would sweetening the lure with a dab of powerbait make the lure illegal.
:|> If powerbait isn't artificial what is it?  What *exactly* is an artificial
:|> lure?    
:...
:
:
:Around here anyway, the fly only regulations usually include a clause
:specifying no fish attracting scents - this would include wd-40, homemade
:eau d'worm, and incidentally, powerbait berries. I would guess that
:artificial lure only areas must sometimes also include such a clause.
 
I figured using such would be illegal.  It tends to become a grey area
though.  Many claim that WD-40 is also a pretty good floatant.  So is
the WD-40 sprayed on as an attractant or a floatant?  How long before
solutions sold as floatants will included a "fish attracting scent"?

|Best to check before tying up a gross of power berry leech flies for that
|upcoming two-weeks-in-the-snow fishing trip on special rules water.

As I said, my suggestion for the power berry leech fly was based on the
"egg sucking leeches" patterns (actually common pattern in many mail order
fly suppliers) that I've tied.  Typically they use bright red yard to 
simulate the leech sucking on a salmon egg. I've also tied a lot of muddler 
minnows, wooley worms,  and marabou patterns that could be fished alone
or sweetened with some some soft powerbait type stuff if regulations allowed.

-- 
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| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: Ice what's that?
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:45:22 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-30-92 22:43
C :From: cowan@cerianthus.pinetree.org (Darin Cowan)

C :The smaller lakes in the Gananoque/Kingston, Ontario area had 5-8" over
C :Xmas and I put a few holes in on boxing day...  

 That "other" was no less than I, has this Warm Spell and consequent 
Rain caused problems?
 
(the Gananoque/Kingston area is about 150 miles due East of Toronto, 
mentioned for our American Members accessing this <C>onf.)
 
 We have no ice at all on this end...........:-(
 
   Marv
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From: agoreff@koko.csustan.edu (Andrew Goreff)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Northern California Steelhead
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:10:07 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: CSU Stanislaus


Has anybody had any luck going after steelhead in Northern California
lately? Have there been any runs on the Russian or Gualala Rivers
in the last few year?

Ue e-mail for continued communication, otherwise please post
your findings in this newsgroup. Thanks.

	agoreff@koko.csustan.edu
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From: ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White)
Subject: How to tie power bait fly?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:22:54 GMT

With the recent fly pattern descriptions posted on the net I was wondering
if anyone had a pattern for a power bait fly. Power bait sure seems like
a hot item.  :-)
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From: Matt Rein #3 <mrein3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
To: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: PowerBait Ramblings
From: bx472@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Collyer)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Cozumel
Date: 28 Dec 1992 15:23:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Has anyone stayed at the Condumel owned by Bill Horn or the new Coral 
Princess?  I would like to her about the aaccommondations and how far is 
it from the sqaure to either place.  If you stayed at eh Condumel did
Aqual Safari pick you up for the diving there?

Thank you for any information you may have.  I am planning to go there in
late June or early July.

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From: rrrucke@srv.PacBell.COM (Rod Rucker)
Subject: Re: Divers' Environmental Survey Freshwater Bulletin
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:01:49 GMT

In article <199212231333.AA12629@world.std.com> jhc@world.std.com (John HC) writes:
> 
>In theory, concentrated H2S solutions form in deep holes such as the Walden 
>Pond hole, where the H2S is protected from the affects of wind- and 
>temperature-induced water movement. However, we also encountered it in the 
>eastern end of Walden at 45 feet, a mere three feet from the bottom of 
>oxygenated water.
> 
> 
>In all my freshwater diving, I have seen the light-absorbing blackness of H2S 
>in only three places: Torsey Lake in central Maine; Flax Pond in Lynn, 
>Massachusetts; and Walden Pond. It is not common. 
> 
>John H-C

I have also encountered it (I think) in Andros.  They have two blue
holes there that have freshwater on top, a layer of the stuff you 
descrive, and saltwater below which eventually connects to the ocean.

Uncle Charly's blue hole looks very inviting, and it is fun to swim in.
The divemaster's at Andros Beach Hotel will not take you diving there,
and recommend very strongly that you don't dive there.  (At least one
diver is known to have drowned in a tunnel there).

The other one I visited in should be called a green hole (I can't
remember the name but it is near the Andros Beach Hotel.
-- 
Rod Rucker
rrrucke@srv.PacBell.COM
PADI DM-47240

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From: 0031b@pnet16.cts.com (Rmcs Falcone)
Subject: WHO IS AN EXPERIENCED DIVER ???
Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:16:15 GMT

  Can anyone tell me at what point is a diver considered "EXPERIENCED"??
Is it the number or dives ?? The level of qualification ??? Just what is it
that allows a diver to consider themselves "Experienced" ?? I was reading an
artical in "Dive Training" and it made me think....is there such a point in
one's diving experience that you can qualify yourself as being an
"EXPERIENCED" diver ???

                                          George.
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From: ray@tsw.UUCP (Ray Izumi)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Lens for Housed F3
Keywords: photography, lens
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:03:21 GMT
Organization: The System Works, Redmond, WA

In article <Dec.28.18.14.58.1992.29846@presto.ig.com> chalup@presto.ig.com (Michael Chalup) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.111508.1@sscvx1.ssc.gov> schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:
>
>You basically have two major choices for underwater format, macro and
>wide angle photography.  For macro, probabably the most popular lens
>for the Nikon F series bodies is the Nikor 55mm Micro, either the f
>
Yes, the 55mm is a good lens, but I've found a longer focal length to be
more useful, like the Nikon 105mm Micro or (less $) the Tokina 90mm macro,
which has optics as good (maybe better) than Nikon's. It is more useful
because you can get 1:2 at a distance of about one foot. This makes it
much easier to approach shy subjects, and avoids awkward situations where
you can't get maneuver the strobe arm close enough to the lens to get the
proper lighting. One downside to these lenses is that you'll probably have
to get a longer dome port to accomodate the longer lens. But I think the 
greater flexibility of the longer lens more than makes up for the extra
cost.

-- 
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"Put the pillow over your head, scream and cry - the garbage is coming!"
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From: awright@gssec.bt.co.uk (Alan Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Shark Attacks
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:45:25 GMT
Organization: BT, Software Engineering Centre, Glasgow, UK

In article <4084@master.CNA.TEK.COM>,
danbe@master.CNA.TEK.COM (Dan Beougher ) writes:
|> 
|> In reference to shark defense, when I was a mere minnow, I heard that
|> if you are attacked head-on by a shark, you should try to smack it
|> in the nose.  It has a nerve center there and there's a good chance
|> of it retreating after said smack.  Any validity to this?
|>
|> dB

I've seen this advice and anything is worth a try if a shark is comming
at you. I would doubt this would work on a large shark, however, and the
Great White very often attacks from below so you probably wouldn't even
see it coming. Also, many attacks are aimed at the feet and legs presumably
because they tend to be moving around the most.

The speed of attack also makes defence difficult. As an example here is
Mike DeGruy's description of the attack in which a Reef shark took off
the top of his arm. At the time he was photographing a female which was
in "display swimming" posture. This is a sort of tense posture in which
the pectoral fins are lowered, the mouth may be open, the head is raised
and it swims in a very slow, exaggerated manner. If you antagonise Reef
sharks in this posture attack is extremely likely. This is not a verbatum
quote but I think it is accurate:

    I thought that the posture was a warning but I decided to get
    a picture. As the strobe triggered so did the shark. Before the
    mirror had even fallen back into place so that I could see
    through the lens, the shark had halved the distance between us.
    All I could do was shove out the camera but the shark brushed it
    aside, grabbed my arm and took the top off. Then it just swam
    away in the same posture.

-- Alan
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From: sls16@po.CWRU.Edu (Samuel L. Shank)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: underwater hockey
Date: 26 Dec 1992 21:05:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone out there play underwater hockey?  I played for a little while 
last year at Ohio State, but I had to stop due to homework load.  I would
like to start playing again, and was wondering if there were any clubs, etc.
in the Cleveland area.  Thanks,
-- 
Sam Shank
sls16@po.cwru.edu
From: jffowler@beerbust.Eng.Sun.COM (John F. Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Bayman Bay Club, Guanaja
Date: 22 Dec 1992 03:19:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
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Keywords: BBC, Guanaja

Has anyone stayed recently at the Bayman Bay Club in the 
Bay Islands, Honduras that can recommend for/against it?
Please contact me.


Also, does anyone know when the best diving season is for
that part of the world?

Thanks - john.fowler@sun.com

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From: andrewt@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Taylor)
Subject: shark fishing quota imposed
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:56:12 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Because it believes sharks are being taken at unsustainable levels,
the US national Marine Fisheries Service has imposed quotas on the
taking of sharks within 200 miles of the Gulf and Atlantic coasts.

A total quota of 2436 metric tons in 1993 and 2570 metric tonnes in 1994,
dressed weight has been placed on large coastal sharks. 22 shark species
are in this category including Dusky, Bull, Tiger, Lemon, Sand Tiger, Nurse,
Whale and Great White Sharks.  In the last 5 years the catch of these
sharks has substantially exceeded 4,000 metric tonnes.

The Fisheries Service believe this limits will allow these sharks to recover
and that a sustainable take of 3800 metric tonnes will be possible from 1995 on.
Conservationist are sceptical that this take is sustainable.

A quota of 580 metric tonnes will apply to pelagic sharks in both years.
Included in this category are Thresher, Blue and Makos.

A daily limit of sharks per boat, large coastal and pelagic species  combined
has been imposed on recreational fisherman. Conservationist say this limit is
useless as few boats take more than 4 sharks in a day.

Finning - removing a shark's fins and dumping the live helpless body -
has been banned.

This is from Science Section of the NY Times 23/12.

Andrew Taylor
From: sean@cs.arizona.edu (Sean O'Malley)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: snorkeling in Baja
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:43:58 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

I plan to spend a week in southern baja (between La Paz and 
Cabo) and would like to do some snorkeling. (There is supposed 
to be a coral reef on the eastern coast of Baja) I if you 
have any information about locations and logistics of the 
area let me know. Stuff close to short (withing swimming 
distance) and any dive boats that go out to sallow reefs and 
would be willing to take a snorkeler would be of most use. 

Sean O'Malley
sean@cs.arizona.edu
From: dmh40@papaya.eng.amdahl.com (Doreen Singewald)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Diving in the Gulf of Mexico?
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:10:48 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


Can anyone provide information about diving in the Gulf of Mexico?
We are planning a trip to New Orleans in mid-April and are wondering
if it would be worth the effort to haul our equipment along. How is
the visibility? What's there to see? Are there dive shops you can
recommend? Would a boat dive be significantly better than a shore
entry? Any recommended outfits? Short entry points? Any and all in-
formation will be appreciated.

Thanks!

Dori
From: pkap@panix.com (Peter Kapner)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: St. Martin
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:29:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC


There is really nothing in the archives about diving in St. Martin.
Does anyone who's been there have any comments/recommendations on
anyplace in particular?

--Peter K.
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From: engsin@anjing.meo.dec.com (Eng Sin Teoh)
Subject: Re: Hotel recommendations on Grand Cayman
Keywords: Grand Cayman
Reply-To: engsin@anjing.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp - Australia
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:57:57 GMT


I was in G Cayman in Oct/Nov 92.  Stayed at the Enterprise bed and breakfast.
They offer a tremendeous deal - not close to the seven mile beach, but an air
conditioned car is provided - this is rgeat as we drove round to literally
every beach on the island.  (Seven mile is far too commercial/busy for my
liking.) This is what we got :

	- 2 morning boat dives per day
	- american breakfast
	- 24 hour car rental
	- microwave, air conditioner in room (tv etc...)

all above for less than US$90 per person.  The owners are Star trek fans and 
very friendly.  (David and Laurel Greenstein ).  I believe they also do some
good deals for non-divers.  

If you do go there, tell them Eng Teoh (from Australia - the one who lost in
trivial pursuit)  recommended ... 
--

Eng Sin Teoh
engsin@anjing.meo.dec.com
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 24 Dec 1992 11:05:53 CST
From: MATT HUNSAKER <U61474@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: T'was the night before Christmas...

T'was the night before Christmas and all through the sea,
Not a diver was diving; instead with family,

The boats and the regs were all stowed away,
as talk was all turned from NITROX to sleighs,

While the night was still falling, the ocean still calling,
The divers shared in a part,
of the love and the caring, the hope and the sharing,
That reached to every man's  heart.

As thier families gathered round the table,
They remembered the stable and the baby in Bethlehem,

May God and his angels bless each of the tables of those who gather on the net,
And may the needs that they have and the hopes that they share in the coming
                                                         year be met.

To all who are traveling may you all have good flights,
Merry CHRISTMAS  to all and to all a good  night.

-Matt



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