HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith)
Subject: Re: A4000 First Impressions
Keywords: Yeeeee Hawwww!
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:56:05 GMT

iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:

>Many people have said that the 256 color Workbench is slightly slower
>that an A3000 running a 16 color Workbench. Bull Pucky! What were they
>smokin? This A4000 running a 640x480 256 color workbench was at least twice
>as fast as my A3000 running a 16 color workbench. This is only natural
>as an 8 bit display is only twice the badwidth of a 4 bit one and the
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I assume you were using the DBLNTSC mode. The fact that it refreshes at
double the speed of a normal hires screen may increase the bandwidth
required by another factor of 2, but I'm not entirely sure.

>AGA chips have 4 time the ECS bandwidth. Add to that the newly
>optimized 3.0 graphics.library and we have a zippy workbech in 256
>colors that BLOWS AWAY ANY MAC or WINDOWS machine I have ever seen
>at comprable color/screen resolution.

>DaveH, Chris Green et al : You guys are studmuffins! I cannot wait to get
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
What an expression, I cracked up !
 
>an AGA machine. I'll be a Comdex, I'll be there with a VISA card. I'm
>on the prowl for an '030 "pizza box" AGA machine. Suprise me!

>Ian.

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From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Amiga World's Worst Review EVER!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:22:36 GMT
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

Hello, 

I just recieved my AmigaWorld yesterday, and I have never been more 
dissapointed w/ a review of a product (much less a MAJOR RELEASE) by them.

I mean, one picture, no comparisons to older models, no picture of the
interals (mother board, processor board, etc...), no picture of the
backplane.  What's the point of even showing the machine in the magazine if
they are going to do such a slipshod review of the product riddled w/
half truths and inconsistancies (compared to the net that is. :) ).

Jeeze, and to think I was gonna use this article as the final push to have
myself get an a4000. (I'm pretty set on it anyhow, but still.)


Jim
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From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: 2MEG CHIP RAM (a problem?)
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:06:56 GMT

In <1992Oct12.220635.13919@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Add virtual memory, DIG, and DOS emulation to AmigaOS, and then tell me how
>slim it is.

Well, DOS emulation eats a lot as the Amiga would need to emulate a
different processor. But VM isn't eating much memory (look at GigaMem)
and the additional memory for DIG is just the driver code (maybe 20-30k).

Regards,
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From: eachus@Dr_No.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus)
Subject: Re: C64 sales (was re: blitter wars)
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
	<Bvsx6r.FI2@news.udel.edu> <1992Oct8.112146.59533@cc.usu.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:54:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.112146.59533@cc.usu.edu> slbfn@cc.usu.edu writes:

     Since the lifting of the Iron Curtain, the C=64 has become a
     "cheap" starting computer for millions of people who otherwise
     couldn't own computers...

     Your facts are right, but your reasoning is not.  For several of
the major Easern European languages including Huungarian and Czeck,
there are good editors and wordprocessors for the C64, and the C64
only.  If Commodore has their act together in these countries, they
will make available versions of these editors and wordprocessors for
the Amiga as well as fonts and keymaps for the other ISO 8859 code
pages, including Latin/Greek and Latin/Cyrillic.  A lot of work for a
market they already own for the most part, but they could probably
make a profit on the character set support here and in Western Europe.


--

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From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000/Alice (yanked from .hardware)
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:41:35 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Oct2.025138.6178@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
[zap] 
>    Commodore put the CPU on a seperate board as a ploy to be able to design
                                                  ^^^^^^
Why, those scheming, evil, good-for-nothing, mumble, COMMODORE mumble...
trying to make different models!  Cheaply!

> three systems for the price of one.  Remember than R&D funding is a commodity
> in VERY short supply at Commodore.

Sung to that "Kit Kat commercial"....

"Gimme a clue!  Gimme a clue!  Break me off a piece of that Clue Me bar!"

[zap]
>    Here is a list of features that an A3000 has that an A2000 with the A2630
> does not have:
> 
 vvv insert "Good" here
>    SCSI interface

>    Display Enhancer 
>    32-bit chip RAM
>    2M of chip RAM
>    Easy expandability to 16M of 32-bit RAM

Zorro3

[zap]
 
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From: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk (G. Coulter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: A4000 Anim Speeds?
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:01:26 GMT
Reply-To: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

Hi Everyone

Well the A4000 is a last here, 25mhz 68040 processor
2Mb of chip RAM, 4Mb of fast RAM and the AGA chip set.

But .. does anyone know how fast this machine is I
have  a  quote  here  from a  UK  magazine " Amiga 
Computing" that says at the unveiling of the A4000
at  the  recent world of Commodore Amiga  show  in
Pasadena CA a Commodore  employee demonstrated the
following. A HAM8 Raytraced animation that updated
at 60 frames per second in  640x400 resolution. He
also stated  that the A4000 could handle 60 frames
per second animation  in any resolution  and color
depth.

>From  what I have heard a lot of people or  saying
that the  A4000 is slow  at animation play  backs,
but  this  does not  seem to be the case here,  or
are  Commodore  using low  delta  frames  to  show
off more speed.

Gary ..

PS Does low delta  mean  not  much change  between 
   frames or is that high delta?

   
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From: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:13:12 GMT
Reply-To: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Organization: THULOS!, STROMSTAD, SWEDEN
OD-Comment-To: Daniel_Barrett


 DB>  The ghosting is extremely obvious, although one gets used to it. 
 DB>  If you want to see it, just wiggle the mouse pointer.

Sorry, but I must disagree. I've used a friend's A3000T, and HIS mouse pointer
does not 'break up', or 'ghost' at all. I can play Offender (a Defender
rip-off, runs at 50 frames/sec PAL resolution) without seeing the slightest
breakup in the super-fast horizontal scrolling. The A3000's display enhancer
is NOT like f.ex AdFFV from ICD, which shows an enormous amount of breakup in
ALL horizontal movement, and to some extent also vertical.


 Regards.

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From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: Will the big American "change" give the Amiga a chance?
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 02:38:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.204355.87@maths.tcd.ie> mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.051916.25769@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham) wrote:
>>should really try and push the new Amigas now.  America wants change.  I
>>think Bill Clinton is a chinch to win the presidency and we will be 
>>entering a new era in American culture.  The established authorities are
>
>Hmmmmmmm. Can you say "Gerald Ford"? Can you say "Peanut Farmer"?
>-- 


First let me say that I am not advocating Bill Cliton.  My only point is
that 1) since he is 18 points or so ahead in the polls, my guess is that
people do like the idea of "change" and Clinton is likely to win and 2) 
Bill Cliton is quite a departure from past presidents.  The last three 
or four served in the military during WWII.  Clinton is of the Rock
and Roll generation.  

And I only raise this point because I believe this will be a little
revolution of sorts which will have many marketing ramification which
could be important to Amiga.  I am saying that there will be some 
reoganization of the American psyche *IF* Clinton, the younger generation
man, gets elected.  People will be revaluating American authority and
will be looking at "new" ideas and will be more receptive to "change".

So this may be a good time for C= to make a big marketing push in the
USA of the AGA Amigas. 

I didn't mean to start a politcal thread.  I just wanted to make the
above points.  I didn't say that I was for Clinton or that he and "change"
would be good.  It may very well be the ruin of us all.  But it is probably
coming and you'll see how marketers and PR people respond to it.  


                                   NCW
From: jcrowe@mpd.tandem.com (Joseph Crowe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:08:12 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <Bw1F35.171@starnine.com> mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
>>Um, I think you mean it beeps BEFORE shutdown!

   I once worked on an 8085 based machine (mondo primitive) and we
juggled things around so at startup it would do the little rif you
hear at the racetrack (horses) and at shutdown it played Taps.  What a
waste of program space....
>
>Sure, if you like to make things EASY.


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From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Subject: Re: A4000 Flaws?
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:38:36 GMT

martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>In article <jayson.03vf@tbag.tscs.com>, jayson@tbag.tscs.com (Jayson Phillips) writes:
>>>What the hell flaw does the A4000 have?
>> 
>>In general:
>>    - a new graphic standard with no smooth upgrade for current Amiga owners
>>    - too little too late
>> 
>All I hear on the net is people w/ 3000's complaing that their machine is 
>better and that there is no "smooth" upgrade path. 

  If the A3000 is better, why would they want to upgrade !? :-)

  I think it's funny that somehow the same people who bitch and moan about 
the lack of "real improvements" in the A4000 are the very same people who 
complain about the inability to upgrade the A3000 to AGA Graphics ... :-)

>           Jim Martin   MATRIX -- If it's made, we sell it. Almost.
>A4000 Coming SOON!!, Real soon.                 MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU

  A4000 coming EXTREMELY soon! Tomorrow, to be specific. :-)
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From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The return of the 040 vs 486 thread..Re: My next machine: Amiga or PC Clone? Help me out.
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:49:45 GMT
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Oct6.181005.10121@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <1992Oct6.114843.3943@newshost.unh.edu> pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) writes:
>>So to the best of my understanding, a 25MHz '040 really is 25MHz as
>>far as the internal processing units are concerted.
>
>Which of course says nothing about the operational speed since you
>don't know how many internal clock ticks are needed for a certain
>operation and wether the 486 may need twice that many.

He's also, if I understand him, wrong.  The 25 MHz 040 expects a two clocking
lines... one at 25MHz used for bus timing and another at 50MHz used for the
chip's internal PCLK.  It's pretty much the same clock speed scheme that the
DX2 Intel chips have, except that they take in only the slower clock signal
and then they internally double it through a PLL.

>
>Regards,
>-- 
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE! -Reply to Jerry Shekkel
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:19:14 GMT
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Gregory G Greene (ggg@kepler.unh.edu) wrote:
: 
: 	Sounds like you're describing the Gravis Ultrasound to me, was it
:    ever released?
: 

Yes, it is out.  Check comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.

:
: G.Greene
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: A4000, A Marketable Machine?
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:00:18 GMT

>re article by Jay Phillips:  But does that "clone of the month" also do
>fast animation at 1024 X 768 X 8 bit, without adding a graphics accelerator
>chip?! 
>I agree, the static graphics capabilities of the 4000 are
>substandard for 1992 personal computers.  However, for dynamic images, the
>machine has it over the
>IBM PC-derived machine architectures, and Macs.

	I don't know about that.  Gateway 2000 has a 66/486 vesa local bus
  system running an ATI Ultra Pro graphics card.  I bet thats pretty fast.
  Its cheaper than the A4000 also, along with having more ram and a much
  larger HD.

							G.Greene

>
>
>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
>
From: kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu (Kevin Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Marc's latest flipflop (was Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000)
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:19:04 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

In article <tony.718818552@ais.org> tony@ais.org (Tony Poole) writes:
>
>I don't believe Marc even owns an Amiga at all anymore.  Last I heard, he
>was selling his 500 to get some HAM radio equipment.  Marc doesn't even own
>an Amiga!  Check this out!  Oh, but he did say something like "...but I have
>access to a 3000".  BFD.  
                     ^^^

What's the Berkeley Fire Department have to do with any of this?  :)

Kevin
kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re: The return of the 040 vs 486 thread..Re: My next machine: Amiga or PC Clone? Help me out.
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:45:32 GMT

In article <35650@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
>> I'm aware that PCLK is 50MHz.  A PLL is used to synchronize PCLK and
>> BCLK internally, not to double PCLK.  But hey, don't take my word for
>> it...I thought the same as you did the last time this issue surfaced,
>> but then a Moto employee (Skipper Smith, I believe?) posted to the
>> contrary.  I have no reason to doubt his information.
>
>This sounds confused.
>
>Motorola requires and externally generated PCLK and BCLK.  The two are
>required to be synchonous and very closely aligned, so I doubt that there
>is any PLL involved in the chip.
>
>Motorola specifies the part speed by the BCLK or PCLK/2 frequency.

On the specific issue of the PLL, according to the MC68040 User's
Manual (section 8.1 on Bus Characterstics):

"...The PCLK signal exactly twice the frequency of BCLK and is
internally phase-locked to BCLK and distributed throughout the device
to generate timing for all logic blocks.  The BCLK signal is only used
as the reference signal for the PLL which synchronizes the PCLK..."


So apparently they really are using a PLL to insure that the two
signals are aligned.  You mention that the specs require PCLK and BCLK
to be closely aligned even before entering the chip.  I'm not an
expert on PLL's, especially as they relate to digital circuitry, but
it seems to me that some degree of pre-alignment would be necessary in
order to stay within the capture/lock-in range of the PLL.

Paul
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From: douddy@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: RE: A4000 is kinda UGLY
Date: 14 Oct 92 10:19:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: cnsvax.1992Oct14.161942.1773
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Is the A4000 That ugly?  Is a black pizza box your ultimate computer desire?

Well, beyond painting everything black, or putting it in a fishbowl, maybe you
could just try to dress it up with curtains... Hmmm something in lace perhaps? 
Or a REALLY LARGE cloth doily would too... Hmmm, maybe something in tafada?

Dustan Doud
DOUDDY@CNSVAX.UWEC.EDU
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Its a sad sad day...
Distribution: world
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:49:20 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Oct14.042705.20619@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (David Connors) writes:
>easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton) writes:
>
>>In article <Ace.02sw@auilcs0.UUCP> Ace@auilcs0.UUCP (James Knowlton) writes:
>>>>
>>>> 	You're 486sx or your graphics card must be terrible then.  I'm
>>>>    running WIN-OS2 ( the same thing as Win3.0 ) on a 33/486 and its pretty
>>>>    fast.  I'm using the Diamond Speedstar Plus graphics card also, which
>>>>    isn't exactly state of the art these days.  I can't believe that an 486sx
>>>>    would be that much slower then my 33/486.
>>>
>>>I can.  For one it's running at a slower clock speed. And for two it's an sx.
>>>Iv'e used a 486sx running windows, and it IS slow. I'm with him - i'll take
>>>a 3000/16 running Workbench anytime, thanks.
>
>>  Why would a 486sx make any difference?  The only thing its missing is
>>the math coprocessor.  Windows doesnt use it anyway.
>
>SX makes a *HELL* of a difference. An SX machine has a 16-bit data bus 
>with a 32-bit CPU. Sort of cuts bandwidth down as bit, as I'm sure you can 
>imagine.

A 486SX has a 32 bit bus.

A 386SX has a 16 bit bus.

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From: music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller)
Subject: Struggling trickle-down-economy victim needs free A4000! HELP!
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 10:31:35 EDT

Help me! I'm a poor victim of Reganomics and Bush-think who
desperately wants a shiny new A4000 to begin Virtual Reality R&D. My
goal is to create a VE/VBB (Virtual Economy w/Virtual Balanced Budget),
eventually leading a VPS (Virtual Perfect Society) where everyone will
be able to dress in their "Sunshine Suits (tm)" which will allow each
and every individual to live within his/her own self-described
virtual universe (or part thereof). But to make this dream become a
virtual reality I need that VERY REAL A4000 desperately! Please send
all contributions to hellerS@moravian.edu A.S.A.P.

		Thanks for your support!

"In a virtual world, who will have virtue?"


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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:09:53 EDT
From: Norman St. John Polevaulter <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Software Piracy

In article <1992Oct13.182137.16000@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu        y
(Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>worrying about the rampant pirating going on in Clone-land.  I'd bet
>>that there are more pirated copies of some programs out there than there
>>are Amigas in the whole world.  Pathetic.

>       Like there isn't any rampant pirating in Amiga-land.  Pathetic.

Should we bring up that survey again, the one where they checked up on
IBM, Mac, and Amiga disks and found that 9 out of 10 IBM disks were pirated,
6 out of 10 Mac disks were and only 2 out of 10 Amiga disks...?

Piracy is the rule, not the exception, in the PClone community. I've seen it
and I know whereof I speak.

                  "Two hundredth verse, same as the first!"
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