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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the Insurance Scum
Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 14:32:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.002638.17107@leland.Stanford.EDU> karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
>In article <24689@galaxy.ucr.edu> tgrupe@watnxt11.ucr.edu
>(Todd E. Grupe) writes:
>>interested in hearing others' experiences with deadbeat insurance  
>>companies.  What gets them off their ass and what doesn't?  I figure as  
>>long as they're trying to weasel out, I'll keep making a tremendous pain  
>>in the ass of myself to them.  Gotta get your kicks somehow.
>
>If all you want are kicks, go ahead and act like a jerk.
>
>If you want your money, remember that whatever you think of
>the company, you're going to have to enlist the cooperation
>of a number of individual human beings who work for that
>company.
>
>Be reasonable but firm with them.  Don't scream or threaten,
>but let them know that you know what you're entitled to
>and that you intent to get it. ...

Or, have a few dozen clients of the same company, scattered over
North America, call their agents wondering why the company isn't
paying claims, and is there anything they should know about before
deciding whether or not to switch carriers.... :')

(Uh, who is this company?)
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              Lachman Technology, Incorporated
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"
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From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: More amusing BMW trivia... (christmas continues)
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:29:51 GMT

In article <Stafford-070193112636@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
>
>	I understand someone is actually plotting to give Groucho a BMW
>	anonymously!  Hey, it could happen.  Something similar happened
>	to me. (Should I tell them, Jason?)

Hey Ed -

Jump right in here, here's your chance <!!>

GetaBikeEd!


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
               BMW K1100-LT, R80-GS/PD, R27, Triumph TR6
                           Columbus, Ohio


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From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: More amusing BMW trivia... (christmas continues)
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:34:05 GMT

In article <C0r4so.5H3@news.udel.edu> andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.155833.27299@spdc.ti.com> achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
>>In article <C0HL6C.58p@news.udel.edu> andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen) writes:
>>>In article <C0Gp6M.796@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bruce@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Krueger) writes:
>>>>   try doing a thousand mile day on a japanese bike.  ..or, for that matter,
>>>>   going a thousand miles without needing a tuneup on a duc.  a fully loaded
>>>
>>>This past summer I took my Ducati, two-up, including
>>>gear for two for 4 days/3nights of camping (saddlebags,
>>>tank bag, custom luggage rack carrying inflatable air mattress,
>>>sleeping bag, tent, 12qt. cooler, bike cover, etc.) down
>>>the Blue Ridge Parkway 1300 miles in one four-day weekend.
>>>
>>>No steeeenking tune-up required, and no breaking down.
>>
>>4 days and only 1300 miles? You call that touring? Heck, Triumphs, Ninjas,
>>and Sportsters can easily top that! By the way, is that considered an amazing
>>feat of endurance for an Eyetalian sport bike?
>
>The statement  posed by the original poser, er poster, was that a Ducati 
>could not go a thousand miles without needing a tune-up.  In my
>1300 mile trip (550 miles down in one day, 200 miles of BRP during
>two-day stay, and 550 miles back) my bike did not require a tune-up
>or any other maintenance.  I disproved his statement.  I made no
>claim that what I did was any kind of amazing feat, so eat my shorts
>man...
>

Don't take it personal, Steve. I make fun of all kinds of bikes. I figure
that's a bonus to riding Japanese, German, English, and Italian bikes. Owning
them all gives me the privilege of ridiculing them all equally, therefore I'm 
not really prejudiced. Now if I only had a Harley......


Jeff Achenbach

AMA NTNOA INOA NRA  Norton Triumph BMW Yamaha Moto Morini

Hey, this could get carried away quickly! How about:

'70 Dodge Swinger  '74 Dodge Swinger  '47 Plymouth Special Deluxe '70 VW bus
'60 Texas Maid  ?Sawyer canoe

Thompson Center Hawken .50 cal   CVA 1860 Colt army .45  
Remington mod 700 30-06  Marlin .22  Navy Arms Classic Double

These sig files can get carried away! I could add a few more rows with my list
of magazine subscriptions, and....... oh, I guess not.
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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the Insurance Scum
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:00:33 GMT

In article <24689@galaxy.ucr.edu> tgrupe@watnxt11.ucr.edu (Todd E. Grupe) writes:
|
|was my first major bike accident...
|I was told that they weren't  going to pay it...
|deadbeat insurance  companies

I can't really help you, but I think it would be nice to tell
us what insurance company this is, so we can avoid it.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |   -- Evo Woman
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From: mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller )
Subject: Re: AL weather
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:18:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.020821.18873@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.153433.25798@b30.ingr.com> mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller ) writes:
>|To all you Yankee and European DoDers:
>|
>|I rode to work today!!
>|ha ha ha ha ha ha!!
>
>  We are very proud of you.  Is this something you find hard to do, normally,
>enough to justify announcing it to the net?  I thought so.
>

Hey!  who you calling toopid?


>  While we are on the subject, it was over 60 F here yesterday, and made
>it into the fifties today - we have been braving this extremely cold winter
>with much stoicism, but sometimes we have to say something, you know?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! 

besides too, I addressed this to yankees and euros.
( don't say CA was part of the Union during the WbtS.  I hate people who
confuse the argument with facts ).


-- 
Phil Mueller                  Telephone:  (205) 730-3231
Intergraph Corporation        FAX number: (205) 730-3453
Mailstop: GD3000              Internet: mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com
Huntsville, AL 35894-0001     UUCP address: bogus.dont.use
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From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Dear Abby sez "Don't let kids get on motorcycles"
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:04:35 GMT

In article <1ia5esINNggc@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>From my State Farm policy:
>
> "We will:
>
>  1.  pay damages which an insured becomes legally liable to pay because of:
>
>      a. bodily injury to others, and
>      b. damage to or destruction of property including loss of its use,
>
>      caused by accident resulting from the ownership, maintenance or 
>      use of your car..."

Please read your policy thoroughly.  Are you sure the policy covers
injuries resulting from the use of your "car" by someone *without*
*your* *permission*?  Is there absolutely no paragraph anywhere where
they say in any roundabout way that such damages aren't covered.

My wife's auto policy from USAA has a similar paragraph stating
"We will pay damages for bodily injury or property damage for which
any covered person becomes legally responsible because of an auto
accident."  Sounds fairly comprehensive.  But at the bottom of the
page starts a long list of exclusions:

"We do not provide Liability Coverage for any person ...
8. Using a vehicle without a reasonable belief that that person is
entitled to do so."

Frankly I don't know what this means in the case of someone injuring
themselves in this way.  But my old Massachusetts policy, which was
the only kind of auto or bike insurance available when I lived there,
says, "We will also pay damages if someone else using your automobile
with your consent is legally responsible for the accident."  (The 
previous clause includes only household members.)

Also as I pointed out in a prior message, my bike insurance from
Progressive explicitly says it won't pay for damage caused by someone
using my bike without my permission.

So is your insurance that much better (and/or clearer) than any of the
above policies?  (ObInsurance:  Should I switch companies?)

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
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From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Interesting challenge of helmet law 
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 16:33:49 GMT

In article <726096381snz@isma.demon.co.uk>, sdun@isma.demon.co.uk
(Stephen Dunne) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec19.235113.26199@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
|> c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu writes:
|> 
|> >You are probably referring to challenges by the Sikh bikers in
|> central
|> >California.  The agricultural valley has many Sikh farmers, and, as
|> you know,
|> >Sikhism requires its adherents to wear uncut hair which they bind up
|> in
|> >a turban.  I can't see a 73-year-old originally from India as a
|> anti-helmet-
|> >law rabble-rouser (like the rest of us :-) ).  But I guess the
|> "uniform law
|> >of the land" principle was upheld.
|> >
|> 
|> Hmmm, I think that here in the UK, It *IS* allowable for a Sikh to
|> claim
|> exemption from helmet laws on religious grounds.
|> 
|> Not too sure how they'd (the cops, that is) check it out but they
|> must do
|> otherwise all the MAG diehards would be apeing it!!
|> 
|> Stephen

 Actually it would suit if they had to "Crash Test" the
turban (I'm curious how they keep it from unraveling at
60mph more than anyting or is it a fakeout and been sprayed
with clear laquer or epoxy impregnated first). I just walked
down the hall and noticed a coworkers has a chin strap but 
it's alfull thin.
-- 
##########################################################
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                 and TARGETS !!!
#1/XS1100LH	#2/10/10/92
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Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
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From: ed@Tekelec.Com (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: Info Request: converting from Std. to Electronic Ignition
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:09:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.152444.741@wam.umd.edu> buffalo@wam.umd.edu (Duncan D. Sterling) writes:
>
>5)  What changes did you make to ignition coils, if any?


>6)  If the conversion process is not worth it, how about reccomendations on
>    beefing up the stock system?--70's vintage standard Jap ignitions were
>    pretty weak from the factory.
>

     When the bikes were new, the hot setup was Kmart universal
automotive coils. 2 12v coils in parallel for setups that used
dual single ended coils, 2 6v coils wired in series to replace the
double ended type. The inductance is different, so you should use
condensers meant for generic 6 cyl Chevy. They also have a lower
DC resistance, so avoid sitting long with the switch on and the
engine not running with breaker points as the contacts tend to
overheat.


Ed Campbell
        Email ed@Tekelec.com (seems to work)


'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.


*************************************************************
   "Those twins are nice, but since I put in that Plymouth 4
    engine, there aint a Harley, Indian, or Exelcior that can
    touch my Henderson!"
                        Grandmother 1936
=============================================================



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From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Spagthorpe Chihuahua?
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 00:52:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.164224.372@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>Charlie Smith (charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org) wrote:
>: In article <C0Cs16.Bon@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Flash) writes:

Hey Nick -

Your newsposter's broke!  This is the third article you've re-posted without
comment <!!>

I can't believe you're without words <??>


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
               BMW K1100-LT, R80-GS/PD, R27, Triumph TR6
                 Soon to include Spagthorpe Chihuahua
                           Columbus, Ohio

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert)
Subject: Re: Bra auction: going, going....
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:22:22 GMT

rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence) writes:
>It's a mission now.
>
>$85

	hey!  the $.50 of the $84.50 was supposed to throw you off!

	maybe this will work:  $86.75...
-- 
 Bob Wert	rmw@genie.gene.com	rwert@well.sf.ca.us
 DoD#0302	AMA#510680	'90 Ninja 750R	    '89 Mustang LX 5.0L
  ...Seven turns on the highway, Seven rivers to cross,
	Sometimes you feel like you can fly away, Sometimes you get lost...
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:49:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Poor Debbie
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

In rec.motorcycles, johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns) writes:

> Perhaps next time should you ever be blessed with the opportunity to
> share some warm and tender moments with a polymeric wonder, you'll be
> a little more considerate.

Yes, we've all experienced those warm and tender moments.  Once, years ago
with Debbies cousin Janet, it became a little too warm and tender.  You
see, the bitch had too much to drink and took to jumping over the campfire.
Well, she lost her footing and...<sob>  I'm sorry...<sniff>  It wasn't a 
pretty sight.  I'd rather not talk about it.  Let it suffice that she
became *very* warm and *very* tender. 

> This, of course, leads me right into the Moab Dirt Bust for this year.
> Will any of Debbie's "friends" be making an appearance?  I got a trip
> planned for that time and I wondering if another rescue effort is in
> order.  :-)

Hah!  Do you think we'd turn our back on the two of you!  Not a chance. 

I'm waffling on the Moab trip for Memorial Day.  I'm seriously considering
a high country riding trip later in the summer after the snow has
dissappeared.  Mike Sturdevant is going to be making a visit and bringing
all of his toys with him.  I'll wait a couple of months and see what his
plans are.  Given a finite amount of spousal tolerance for extended riding
trips, I'll have to make a decision between Moab and the mountains.  

Perhaps if there's enough people interested, a group riding trip to the
high country can be arranged?  I'd suggest that it coincide with the Ride'n
Feed, but I think there's still too much snow in early July.  Perhaps late
July or early August?  Maybe around Crestted Butte or perhaps down South
near Telluride/Ouray.  

There's also a good chance that I'll be visiting Washington State 
this summer.  I'd tell you that I'd like to pass through Pullman, but 
I'd be lying :-)  Nothing against your beautiful city Bill, but it is
rather isolated.  And backwards too.  Besides, it smells.  I wonder if I
could still find any of the trails I used to ride around there? 

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcpe.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
I'm OK, you're meltinggggggggg...  
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From: paulos@venezia.berkeley.edu (Eric Paulos)
Subject: Re: Prices of bikes in Europe?
Reply-To: paulos@venezia.berkeley.edu (Eric Paulos)
Organization: Robotics Laboratory UC Berkeley
Distribution: us,ca,ba
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:29:44 GMT


In article <418@biosys.apldbio.COM>, denis@apldbio.com (Denis Concordel)
writes:
|> Here are the prices you can expect for new and used bikes in France. These
|> prices include taxes but not the registration (which shouldn;t be much more
|>  than in the US). Buying a bike (or a vehicule) in France if you are a 
|> foreigner should pause any problems,..............................
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
             |||||||||||||||||||||||||
             Do you mean SHOULDN'T pose any problems?   If so.....


I would DEFINITELY get in contact with the French Consulate before you go to 
check what laws apply.  Also you may need documentation from the Consulate
here in the US and once you get there you can't really come all the way back
for a piece of paper.   Also,  they WILL NOT just mail you the document -- you
must come back to the USA to get it in person.

|>............................. but I don't know what the requirements
|> for driver's licence are (talk to the French embassy or your local French
|> Consulat).
|> 

The French government will accept an International Drivers Licence which
you can get from AAA for $10.  Bring two passport ID's and carry you US
state drivers licence with you in France to avoid problems.


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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: J.C. Whitney vs. dealer
Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:25:16 GMT

In article <C0pKGu.6Gx@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>I bought a replacement battery for my bike from the dealer.  $45.  It lasted
>two years.  I figured I couldn't get much worse than that, so I bought the
>last one from WalMart.  $32.  It was sitting out on the shelves, walk in and
>pick one up.  They come dry, with the electrolyte in a bottle.  Pour it in
>and charge it.  K-mart and auto parts stores also sell them cheap.  
>If you get a JCWitless battery you have to buy your own electrolyte, and
>you have to wait for it.  I wouldn't call a 36 month battery with a 9 month
>warrenty a 36 month battery-I'd call it a 9 month battery.

You have to buy your own?  When did they start that?

Sears has a surprisingly good selection of motorcycle batteries,
and Trak Auto often has sales on them (though the $18 sale price generally
applies to a 6-volt that doesn't fit any bike, but each store has one
in stock...).  Sam's Club (WalMart's warehouse buying club) also has
a fair selection, though I haven't had reason to check prices.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              Lachman Technology, Incorporated
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Dealer won't budge on '91 ST1100
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 07:21:34 GMT

john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:

>It is all merely personal ego in extension. In short, opinion. To insist that
>character can be assigned to a motorcycle is fine, to insist it has any value
>in comparision outside your own personal decision-making is valueless. The
>Pacific Coast you speak of, while of no character to you or I, is assuredly
>of high character to someone somewhere in the world. It only takes one example
>contrary to demonstrate the point. No?

>The Soul of the Machine is really you extending your own to it. Which is an
>interesting commentary on you, but not on the moto.

	I disagree.  First, I know that transistors can sense fear.  So can
mechanical items.  While I can start my car when it's 30 below zero, my
girlfriend will kill the battery.  I can walk up to a machine on the net
that only hangs, crashes, or whines, and it immediately starts working fine.
The same is true of motorcycles.  Character is how individual the item is,
and that's it.  Harleys, Ducati's, Benelli's, and the like have character
the same way a Ferrari, Shelby, or Dusenburgh have character -- you will
rarely see another, and that one you see is entirely unique.

	That's why UJM show such a lack of character -- they are universal,
hence they all look the same even to the trained eye.  When you see a
highly modified/customized UJM, does it not have character?  The machines
in my office do not have character, save for a single old Zenith that
attempts to battle me every damn week.  It has character.

	Forget the ego-extending.  Character is uniqueness, and includes
not only those polished springer front ends but that Honda 750 that
will only start with 70% choke and a specific turning of the wrist
while kicking it.  It may be stock, but it has (or builds) character.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "Are you *SURE* he's worth a Harley-Davidson?" -- my grandmother  >
< to my girlfriend, about me.  "I'd better not say" -- my girlfriend >
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller )
Subject: Re: Application for DoD Membership
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:46:41 GMT

In article <1778@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
>rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:
>: |In article <1723@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
>: |>
>: |>		I would like to make a formal request for DoD
>: |>		membership....
>: |>
>: |>					Ryan...
>: |>
>: |>	I've gone fast, I've dragged pegs and I've fallen.
>: |>		What else do  I need to do???
>: 
>: Grovel more - go on that endless quest for the KotL - endure oh so much more
>: electronic abuse and if you ever FIND the KotL then you'll come to realise 
>: what rare company you now keep...
>: 
>: And just what do you consider formal?  Were you curtsying in front of your
>: computer monitor when you posted this?
>
>
>	Jezze Rich I was trying to be polite and intelligent at the
>	same time but noooo...I have to get flamed about a million
>	times....
>
>
>			....Ryan....

So you've been reading this group for six months and still don't know the
DoD motto?  Your first New Year's resolution should be to acquire a clue.

-- 
Phil Mueller                  Telephone:  (205) 730-3231
Intergraph Corporation        FAX number: (205) 730-3453
Mailstop: GD3000              Internet: mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com
Huntsville, AL 35894-0001     UUCP address: bogus.dont.use
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