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From: schwae@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Eric A. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Biker mag article - request for a repost
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:37:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.124412.5064@seas.gwu.edu> declan@seas.gwu.edu (Declan McCullagh) writes:
>In <1992Apr13.001442.9946@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, Steve Miller writes:
>
>> Last year there was a wonderfully fun piece here that purported to
>> be stolen from a biker magazine.  It gave explicit directions on how
>> to have congress with various of our farmyard friends.  The premis
>> was that bikers get good and horny when biking cross country, and
>> don't always have human tail along in tow.
>>
>> Anybody have this achived?  I lost it.  Very funny, would like to
>> have it back.
>
>Hmm...  After checking my admittedly small rec.moto archive, I can't
>seem to find it.  I'd imagine, though, that any motorcyclist so
>inclined could deduce the correct approach without having to RTFM
>(read the fucking manual). :-)
>
I remember something of the sort somewhere, though I don't know if it
was here.  The only thing I remember of it was that it cautioned 
against trying cows because they have a tendency to defecate very 
messily without warning.

E.S.
Organization: Astm Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:27:01 -0400 
From: "Carl D. Lovejoy" <cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: O.K., How About DoD MousePads?????
	<1992Apr15.222452.1022@megatek.uucp>


<People bemoaning the fact that they have optical mice and therefore
can't use an official DoD Mouse pad deleted.>

    OK I guess I must claim ignorance (ME!)  on an optical mouse and
fail my Geek Test for this term, but could anyone explain what one is,
and if they could be jammed by ECCM or someother countermeasures? 
Thanks bunches E-}


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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Honda Pacific Coast??
Keywords: Honda, Should I?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:30:07 GMT

mfstorer@rudy.rutgers.edu (Michael Storer) writes:
>[wonders about the PC]

Probably the worst feature of the bike, and one that the dealer will try
and hide from you, is that you'll have to endure endless abuse from
other riders. Not just any old abuse mind you, but the kind usually
reserved for Technicolor Krauser/Fisher-Price/Rubbermaid/Tupperware
luggage.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
DoD #46               My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.              FJ1200
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Help! I need 750 advice !!
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 15:10:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.093049.1648@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> kicker@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>Hey-
>	Someone help me out here - I've finally found a prospective buyer for  
>my '89 Daytona Shelby, and now I'm looking for a sportbike.  I think I want to
>get into the 750cc bracket, just for the feel of a bigger bike.  I'm 6'2", 195,

I think Jeff Deeney has a 750 for sale pretty cheap.




-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com                                        Naperville, IL
'71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"  - "Worth the Obsession"
DoD #094        "I'm not mad; just terribly, terribly hurt."  HDM #007
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RE: TIRES SCALLOPING.
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:22:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> My RZ scallopped its last rear tire (opposite pattern, of course)

 My old RD350 (not RZ) spun the back tire on the rim once during an
impromptu drag race.  Sheared the valve stem off the tube.  It didn't
take that long to let all the air out, but the RD was fairly quick - I
was doing 60 or so when it started handling strangely, and at about 80
it felt like a big dog had the back wheel and was trying to shake me
off.

 Luckily, the RD was one of the few bikes I've owned that would do a
stoppie, but it was hairy for a while.
                                                                                                           
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone)
Subject: Re: Today's Braindead Cager Day
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:08:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.232805.4399@cupnews0.cup.hp.com> hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner) writes:

>isn't "braindead cager" redundant?
>-- hesh

No, no, no.  It's incomplete.  The proper phrase is
"Braindead Stiffnecked Cager."

It's one word in German by now, I'm sure.


 Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
 '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving
From: jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu (jonathan drout)
Subject: Re: A new clipless pedal i saw at the local bikeshop
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:13:28 GMT

OK world, lets end this flaming Bullshit now.  The original poster
cross posted to rec.autos, rec.mc, and rec.bicycles.  Stop flaming the
replies, stop adding to the list, and just tell the original writer
where to stick his cross post.
	and learn to understand that the Probes need the pedal clips
(wink, nudge)
		Jonathan
From: s1042488@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Hayden Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Tires scalloping.
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:16:53 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

Dale.James@cs.cmu.edu writes:

>So I finally got this GS1100 back together, and I'm looking at the tires.
>There's still plenty of tread left, but the front tire (a Dunlop Sport Elite)
>is strangely scalloped.  What might cause this?  Tire out of balance?  Sticky
>brake disk on one side?  Bad fork seals (I know they are bad, but might that
>cause the tire to scallop?)?

I think you will probably find that the tyre has been scalloped because of the
natural camber of the road.  The road is usually higher in the middle and
slopes down on either side.  Being american you ride on the right hand (
wrong :-] ) side of the road, therefore the road natural cambers down to the
right, leaving the left hand side of the tyre with more contact on the road.

                                                          |  {  }  {  |
                                                          |  }  {  }  |
                                                          |  {  }  {  |
                                                  Tyre    |  }  {  }  |
                                                wears more \ {  }  { /
                        ************************        --> \       /
            ************                        *************\_____/
      ******                                                 ********
  ****                                                               ****
**                                                                         **


So if your tyre is scalloped more on the left than the right, I respectfully
suggest the above to be the reason.

Of course if the tyre is more scalloped on the right hand side, diregard the
above completly.

It could've been someone with a cordless power sander who snuck in to your
garage late one night and sanded one side of your tyre |-).

Hayden Gill.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: brad@spike.tcs.com (Brad Whitaker)
Subject: Re: Blue Book for Bikes?? (CBR600 info)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:44:33 GMT

In article <92098.142933GMG109@psuvm.psu.edu>, GMG109@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> 
>      Hello, everyone!  I'm looking to buy a 600cc sport bike this
> summer, specifically a Honda CBR600.  My question is:  Is there anything
> similar to the NADA blue book of used car prices/values for bikes?  If so,
> can anyone tell me how to get it?  If not, how about some pricing/riding/
> general advice regarding CBR600's, insurance, etc., as this will be my
> first cycle--any good advice would be appreciated.

Try the Hap Jones Motorcycle Blue Book. It is available at my local public
library - it might be available at your library, too.  I think there may
also be other blue books with motorcycle information.

My experience with the Hap Jones book is that the prices it gives are
lower than actual selling prices. For instance, Hap Jones lists a 91 
CBR600F2 at $3800 (suggested retail), and a 88 CBR1000 at $3400. These
prices are $400-600 lower than the selling prices I could find searching 
through the classifieds of the San Francisco papers.

I'll leave comments about the suitability of a CBR600 as a first bike as
an exercise for other readers.

____
Brad Whitaker  Teknekron Communications Systems  Berkeley, CA  USA
brad@tcs.com   (510)649-3815     DoD #1000       CX500 (what the hell bike)  
"Ride to Work,  Work to Ride...  Ride back Home" CBR1000 

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: "Shaft Effect?"
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:45:57 GMT

shz@garage.att.com (Seth Zirin) writes:
>In article <12305@tamsun.tamu.edu>, bnh5940@rigel.tamu.edu (Blaine Hufnagle) writes:
>> Exactly what is "shaft 
>> effect" and how can I feel for it?

>You won't feel the "shaft effect" until you try and sell your cycle.  Its
>a fairly complex phenomenon but I'll try to summarize it for you.

>It is the feeling you get when you try to sell your imported motorcycle
>and you find it is only worth a mere fraction of its original purchase
>price just 1 or 2 years later.  The root of the problem (or I should say
>the reason you get rooted) is that some manufacturers come out with
>trendy new models each year and few are willing to buy a has-been with
>last year's paint on the plastic.

That's a fairly accurate description, but it fails to explain why "shaft
effect" is felt so sharply on so many bikes that have chain drive.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
DoD #46               My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.              FJ1200
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cross US trip (NH to CO/UT)
Date: 17 Apr 92 07:17:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

In article <3523@balrog.ctron.com> tavares@earl.ctron.com () writes:
>
>My wife and I were thinking of taking a cross country trip this summer.
>1. We got a recommended route from AAA which take us through PA on Highway
>80 ( or is it 84). Anyway, i remember a VERY LONG AND TERRIBLE PEICE of this
>highway going through PA. A friend drove his car from Denver to NH and took
>84(80?) as far as Illinois and then went North to Chicago and took
>Rt 90 east by Buffalo and through New York. He said the reason that he went
>this way was because people told him the this was a much better road.

90 is a fine road, and 84 is kind of lightly travelled, if I remember correctly
, 80 is a big commuter road from eastern PA to NY. This is 2 years ago, things
may have changed. I caged all the roads, so I don't know how they are for bikes,
but I've done 90 many times, and would recommend it. 

good luck, 
jim

-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
* Yamama 650 Maxim           | "It's not how fast you go on the fast parts, *  
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |  it's how fast you go on the slow parts."    * 
* DoD #469          KotP(un) |                           - Dilip Ballamore  *  
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:13287 misc.forsale:13997
From: william@ravel.udel.edu (Wild William)
Newsgroups: udel.bull,udel.general,rec.motorcycles,misc.forsale
Subject: Kawasaki 2 stroke 4 sale
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:43:43 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Delaware

I have a 1974 Kawasaki s4  I would like to sell...


any one interested?

(400cc 2stroke, oil injection.... fast)

it's pretty fun, and neat to look at so if anyone wants it, e-mail me 
(ask friends 'hey buddy wanna buy a bike!')

william@brahms.udel.edu
or you could call...

william (bill)  302 453-8147
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Meta-flame, etc...
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:17:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.143517.2204@cs.wayne.edu>, pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood) writes:
> In article <1992Apr02.001909.8150@advansoft.com> eparker@advansoft.COM (Eric Parker) writes:
> >In article <81515@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> rhasse@rcsuna.gmr.com's .sig sez:
> >>Buy American!!
> >
> >I always get a kick out of this comment from Harley riders. The typical
> >Harley has: Asian tires, forks, electrics, steel, shocks, trim, accessories.
>                                             ^^^^^
> Steel?  When did Japan open steel mines?  Or are you talking about the
> late 60's/early 70's muscle cars that have been sent to Japan for
> recycling?

     Much of the steel which used to be made in the US now comes from abroad,
ie. Japan and increasingly, Korea, I believe.  The past decade has seen near
devestation among US steel companies.  USX, formerly US Steel, the largest
American manufacturer of steel, is now an oil company.  Other steel companies
such as Jones and Laughlin have faired worse.

     Incidentally, steel comes from a mill.  Iron ore and coal comes from
mines to be processed into steel.

							George

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: *Motorcycle For Sale*
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:36:39 GMT

In <1992Apr9.144606.28239@ncsu.edu> steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu
 (Steve Garnier) writes:

>In article <viking.702787289@aviator.cc.iastate.edu> 
>viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>>(Steve Garnier) writes:

>>>I'll give you the slimy sweat from the palm of my left hand for it.
>>I'll see that batch of slimy sweat and raise ya the toe-jam from
>>my right foot, plus two days worth of bellybutton lint.
>>Oh, yeah.  And a pocket protector.

>OK.  I'll match your offer, and raise you the toe-jam from my left-foot,
>all my nail-clippings from last week, three *very* used tissues, one roll
>of used toilet paper, five dingleberries, and the lint recently extracted
>from my baby daughter's cute little nose (and no, I don't know how the lint
>got there).  But that's it...not one damn thing more, nosiree!

Alright Steve, you can have the bike.  It was the lint from your baby
daughter's nose that did it -- there's no way in hell I'm going to have
a daughter just so I can match your offer and get yet another japanese
motorcycle.  Best thing about kids is not making them but giving it
the old college try, I always say...

<Daniel R. Sorenson   Dod #1066  |If Iowa State University agreed with me >
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu <- work |I'd make $90K/yr.  They don't, I don't. >
<viking@iastate.edu      <- play |"I am *not* goofing off.  I am driving  >
< myself mercilessly in the pursuit of relaxation." -- T. Weeds           >
From: slv42@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BMW helmets
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:33:16 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

I saw BMW helmets in Germany in 1990 that were full face, with a swing-up chin
bar.  They looked like a good design to me, partly because the lining comes
down under your chin when you lower the chin bar, and I thought that it might
be quieter.  I've never seen one in this country, but when I get some money
I plan to look into getting one if they are cheap enough.  If anyone knows
more, please post or email.

Eric Poulson      slv42@cc.usu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: chucks@uars2.uucp (Chuck Smythe)
Subject: Re: Wheelies
Organization: NCAR/Atmospheric Chemistry Division
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:57:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.051212.19992@src.honeywell.com> mikep@cfsmo.honeywell.com writes:

>Are there really bikes out there that will actually pull the front end up with
>the clutch engaged and the throttle open?

You better believe it.  Fang, my Sabre, did it several times before I got used
to the torque.  After I installed a fairing he was quite a bit more nose-heavy.
I think I'd have to do it intentionally now.

			Chuck Smythe
			DoD #50
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Subject: Re: "Shaft Effect?"
Reply-To: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:37:07 GMT

In article <kujspnINNh0j@news.bbn.com> mtiberio@BBN.COM (Mike Tiberio) writes:
>Sorry, but long shafts are better and short are worse as far as shaft
>effect goes. for my racing guzzi, i have a long and short swing arm.
>i use the short whenever i can because it reduces the wheelbase, however
>on bumpy tracks, where the extension of the rear end under power make
>it impossible to hold the throttle wide open, i have to use the long swing
>arm to minimize the effect. trust me as far as shaft effect goes, LONG is
>GOOD, SHORT is BAD.

This makes perfect sense to me.  Let me give y'all a simple example.  
Imagine you have two thick wooden dowels; one is a foot long, the other is
three feet long.  Place twenty pounds mass on the far end of each wooden
dowel.  Grab the near end of each dowel, and while holding the dowel 
parallel to the floor, lift it.  

Q: In the event that you haven't just broken your wrist while attempting
this silly stunt, which configuration requires less torque to maintain its
horizontal pose?

A: The short dowel.  It requires one-third the torque of the long dowel.
Furthermore, you could increase the mass on the short dowel to 60 pounds,
and this would result in the same pain as experienced with 20 pounds and
the 3 foot long dowel.

This means that a constant torque from a long shaft will raise/lower a 
motorcycle by some amount, but a shorter shaft with the same torque will 
raise/lower it even more.  For a given motorcycle, this effect is related
directly to shaft length.  Obviously, for most users, the longer the shaft,
the better the ride. ;-)

Steve Garnier - 1979 Yamaha XS1100SF Special with 156,000 miles and *climbing*
DoD #00000005 - KotF (The Daemon's Byte and Keeper of the Flame), NC Chapter
Internet:steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu  UUCP:{?,gatech,uunet}!mcnc!bucolix!steve
From: BFRIBERG@finabo.abo.fi (Welcome to the Pleasuredome!!)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: rec.bicycles????????????
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:34:37 GMT
Organization: Axelbandet unlimited
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

What the hell is happening to this newsgroup?!?!?
It feels like most postings are about bicycles versus cars!
Shit!
Gimme more llama-crash-stories!
Yours

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: periodic return visit -- nothing ever changes i see
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:41:42 GMT

In article <ku95n8INNe2i@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Eng Wordsmith]) writes:
>In article <34386@ttidca.TTI.COM> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
>>In article <92098.212626IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester) writes:
>>+In article <1992Apr3.204721.22161@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, shz@garage.att.com (Seth
>>+Zirin) says:
>>+>Ps: I'm still not sure if the ZX-11 is made by Kawasaki or Suzuki...
>>+That's ok.  Some of us aren't sure if a Harley is a motorcycle or an
>>+underpowered rocking chair. ;)
>>What a stupid comment.  It is a paint mixer.
> That's the new model EVO motor.. The older ones are farm implements..
> :->
> Well, actually the EVO is an EVOlved farm implement.
> (cast iron motorcycle engines? gag..)

all spoken in jest and "good humour" of course.
just like most sexist statements.
just like most racist statements.

jest & good humour can get quite tiring to put up with.

YOU may know the weight of your words, your INTENDED audience may
know the weight of your words, but do not underestimate the skewing power
of those same words to the silent majority who do not have sufficient
information about the author or the topic in question to place the
proper weighting.

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         postmaster@thinkage.on.ca  kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca  thinkage!kgdykes
         kgdykes@watmath.waterloo.edu  [129.97.128.1]   kgdykes@thinkage.com
From: tavares@ctron.com (Jack Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What do we call Harleys?
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:39:11 GMT
Reply-To: tavares@ctron.com
Organization: None whatsoever


 Friday April 10 1992, William E. Johns;S23015 writes to All:
 
  >> space@bwdlh522.bnr.ca (Scott Pace) writes: Japanese bikes are called
  >> "rice burners", Italian bikes are called "pasta burners", so what do we
  >> call American bikes (Harleys)? Ok, here's a
  >> couple: milk-burner beer-burner


I would think that beer-burner might also apply to German bikes.

jack tavares
tavares@ctron.com

83 R80ST
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Dumb Laws
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:38:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.162801.27108@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (The Nashville Flash) writes:
>Memphis, TN still has a law on the books that a woman may not drive an
>automobile unless there is a man walking 10 feet in front of her with a
>red flag.  (I wonder what would be a valid defense in case of a ticket.)

Well, Flash ol' boy, sounds like it's time for a test case.  Get
a copy of the statute in question, and keep it in your wallet.  Then
find a woman who is willing to drive 10 feet behind you while you carry
a red flag through downtown Memphis, and see what happens.  Better still,
get 100 men with red flags, and 100 women to drive 10 feet behind them,
and ambulate through many streets of downtown Memphis simultaneously.

If they're keeping the law on the books, they deserve whatever they
get....

In Evanston, IL, bowling is still illegal.  I wonder what they'd do if
someone opened a duckpins alley for keggleing?
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com                                        Naperville, IL
'71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"  - "Worth the Obsession"
DoD #094        "I'm not mad; just terribly, terribly hurt."  HDM #007