HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: weberwu@inf.fu-berlin.de (Debora Weber-Wulff)
Subject: Re: Violence update 10.09.92
Reply-To: dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
Organization: Free University of Berlin
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:45:14 GMT

stoer@hal.nta.no (Stoer Mechthild FNT) writes:

>Anybody becoming indignant about the 5-person family
>evicted from a cheap 7-room house,
>living in a 4-room apartment in a homeless shelter,
>and told to give up the fourth room to two foreigners,

>should also ask himself,
>whether his 5-person family is willing to share one room
>of his expensive 4-room apartment with some asylants?

>Mechthild Stoer

I'm not sure what you mean exactly. The apartment in the homeless
shelter is not *theirs*, it belongs to the state and the state
can put whom they please in the rooms. I do find it terrible
that people cannot find affordable housing - I can just barely
afford mine - but in this case the facts were distorted by the
Bild-Zeitung so that readers would fear that they might
have to give up room in their own homes.

If I understand your second paragraph to mean that I should
share my apartment: I do rent out one of the rooms to a
friend. But that is beside the point. It is not a question of
"would you" or "should you", but we have a number of things
coming together here: scarceness of affordable living, a
rent market out of control, many homeless people and many 
refugees, and the xenophobic problems. I don't have any easy
solutions, but I don't approve of the way this is going. People
should band together to convince the government to change
some policies, not fight each other.

-- 
Debora Weber-Wulff                       dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
Institut fuer Informatik                 +49 30 89691 124
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: karrer@bernina.ethz.ch (Andreas Karrer)
Subject: Re: Octoberfest information request
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:25:57 GMT

citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin) writes:

>In article <1992Sep12.134122.27292@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rcl3r@helga2.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert C. Lewis) writes:
>>
>>If you have ever been to an Octoberfest, or just look like you have,
>>please tell me about it so I can attempt to duplicate the experience
>>here.
>>

>Well, the first thing you'll need to do is invite a lot of drunken American
>soldiers and have them puke on the ground all over the place.

This seems like an excellent description of what Oktoberfest is all
about. I lived near U-Bahnhof Goethestrasse (2 min from Theresienwiese)
for two Oktoberfests, and, well, using the U-Bahn was not recommended
during that time.

Not only American soldiers drink too much.

If you can make it, go to the "little Oktoberfest" on the U.S. Army
base somewhere in the south of munich -- much more civilized.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: weberwu@inf.fu-berlin.de (Debora Weber-Wulff)
Subject: Violence update 10.09.92
Reply-To: dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
Organization: Free University of Berlin
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:37:57 GMT

No word of violence in the tagesspiegel this morning, but the radio mentioned
that Quedlinburg had another bout of violence last night. About 50 youths threw
rocks and fire bombs, now with 200 onlookers (it had only been about 50
the previous night).

The taz notes some rock throwing in a little town in Brandenburg and the
car of a refugee being burned in Sachsen.

And then there's the Bild-Zeitung. They ran a leader the other day:
"Authorities requisition extra room for gypsies" and were indignant
with a story about this poor German family told to house a couple of
Polish gypsies in their spare room. All in the style of family-at-dinner,
knock-on-the-door, ordered-to-share-house-and-kitchen-with-gypsies. As
can be expected, the Volkszorn [the wrath of the people] descended upon the
city manager of the little town with many vidid descriptions of the
tortures wished upon him by your average German. The real story in the taz:
A family consisting of Mom, Dad and 3 grown children lived in an apartment
with 7 rooms that cost 500 DM a month. [... I pay 2500 DM for 4 rooms...]. They
were legally evicted as the owners wanted to live there themselves. The
familiy was quarted in an Obdachlosenheim [homeless shelter] where they were
given a 4-room apartment (quite a luxury) and told that they only had 
claim to 3 rooms, but that they could use the room until the authorities
really needed it. With the current influx of refugees, it was needed, and
a Polish couple was assigned to the room. This is how many of the urban
legends about foreigners and refugees begin, unfortunately, no one reads
the stories about what really happened.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack)
Subject: Kempfenhausen
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:55:22 GMT

Kempfenhausen is a small village near Starnberg,
Located at lake Starnberg, some 20 mile south of Munich.

MichaeL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: Is it starting again?
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:30:37 GMT

In article <dan.27@ORTTA>, dan@ORTTA (Daniel C. Cummings) writes:

> The basic cruel fact is, Americans don't seem to 
> care a bit about minority or poor children. 

The social welfare system is skewed towards the elderly for a very
simple reason.  Geezers vote, kids don't.  That's why there is national
health insurance for the elderly, but none for children or working families.
That's why teenagers making minimum wage pay a 7.5% income tax to fund 
pensions for wealthy retirees with "I'm spending my kid's inheritance"
license plate holders on their RV's.  And so on.



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From: bsmajows@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Boris Majowski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Radikalismus? Nein, Danke--Re: Krawalle in Rostock
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:05:23 GMT
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen

schieber@jetson.uh.edu (Schieber, Jay D.) writes:

>In article <la7b7oINNn7v@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, tooka@train.EBay.Sun.COM writes...
>>In article 2i0@forge.erh.sub.org, barnard@forge.erh.sub.org (Henning Schmiedehausen) writes:
>>> Wo  ist  der  Unterschied?   Es  *gibt* keinen.  Radikale sind Radikale.  Und
>>> haeufig  sogar  sind  die,  die  vor  ein  paar Jahren die Steine in Brokdorf
>>> geworfen  haben,  heute  die ersten, die die Steine auf die Asylanten werfen.
>>> Einfach  ein  paar Hirnlose, deren einziges Ziel es ist, 'Zoff und Randale zu
>>> machen'
>>> 
>>>                 *GEGEN RADIKALE! VON RECHTS *UND* VON LINKS*
>> 
>>Ja! Eben--Radikale sind Radikale. Der eine wirft Steine, der andere Molotow-Cocktails.
>>Wer wird verletzt? Der in mitten stehende Mensch!
>> 
>>Links oder rechts? Hitler oder Stalin? Ku Klux Klan oder Black Panthers?

>Sie vergleichen das Ku Klux Klan mit den Black Panthers?  Was genau
>haben die Black Panthers gemacht, das gar zum vergleichen ist?
Der Ku Klux Klan ist Gewalt von Konservativen, von besizenden Buergern (systemunterstuetzende Gewalt)
daher "rechts"

Die Black Panthers sind Gewalt gegen die herrschende Ordnung.
daher "links" (gegen den Staat)

Die Bezeichnungen "links" uind "rechts" kann man von der Sitzordnung im deutschen Parlament
ableiten,
Konservative : rechts,
Sozialisten  : links.

Oder von den wortbedeutungen ?
rechts : das Recht,  recht haben, das rechte machen.
links  : (ab)linken, ein linkes Ding drehen.

Boris!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: dhey@mcs213b.cs.umr.edu (Dirk Heydtmann)
Subject: Bundesbank lowers interest rates, Dollar up to 1.4860
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:44:05 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

Due to international political pressure the Bundesbank 
announced a cut in two key interest rates this Monday.
The Dollar went up more than 3 Pfennigs to 1.4860.

Dirk
From: newton@erg.sri.com (Cynthia Newton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Information on Kemphferhausen?
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:43:08 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Originator: newton@kangaroo.erg.sri.com

I was wondering if anyone could help.  A friend of mine was born in 
Germany and adopted and raised in the United States.  He is interested
in finding out anything about his mother, father, relatives.  According
to the records he was born in 1957 in a small town named
(excuse my spelling) Kemphferhausen near the town of Stornburg.
His mother's name was Ms. Muller (no first name).  His mother's father
(Mr. Muller) supposedly was a mechanic in this town.  

Does this town still exist?  Does anyone have any ideas on how to trace 
these people.  Any help would be much appreciated.  He has been
dealing with someone at the German embassy in San Francisco, but I thought
I would try the net.  Confirmation of this town would be great.  A
phone number of anything in this town would be great, or anyone in this
area willing to investigate a little would be wonderful.

Thanks to anyone with any information much in advance,
Cynthia Newton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: petsch@sylt.informatik.uni-kl.de (Petsch Wolfram - PA Meybrink)
Subject: Re: Radikalismus? Nein, D
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, W-Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:51:43 GMT

In article <2578.178.uupcb@wugate.wustl.edu> carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca)  writes:
>BM>>Sie vergleichen das Ku Klux Klan mit den Black Panthers?  Was genau
>BM>>haben die Black Panthers gemacht, das gar zum vergleichen ist?
>BM>Der Ku Klux Klan ist Gewalt von Konservativen, von besizenden Buergern (syst
>BM>terstuetzende Gewalt)
>BM>daher "rechts"
>
>BM>Die Black Panthers sind Gewalt gegen die herrschende Ordnung.
>BM>daher "links" (gegen den Staat)
>
>Wieviele Weisse haben die Black Panthers denn gelyncht? Die Zahl wuerde
>mich vor allem im Vergleich mit den Toten durch den KKK interessieren.
Kommt ganz darauf an wo. In den USA gibt es bestimmt mehr Opfer durch den 
KKK. In anderen Laendern sieht die Sache auch anders aus.
Wenn ich mich richtig erinnere (kann da mal jemand nachschauen?)
wurde einige Jahre vor der Wiedervereinigung die Zahl der linken
Gewalttaten mit 1500, die der rechten mit cirka 50 angegeben. Heute
ist das Verhaeltniss genau andersherum.
>
>Weiterhin wuerde mich die Zahl der Todesopfer durch linken Terrorismus
>im Vergleich zu den Opfern durch rechten Terrorismus interssieren.
>Oder liegt der Unterschied nur in dem Scheckbuch der Opfer der beiden
>Gruppen?

Schliesst du den Staatsterrorismus ein? 
Mich wuerden da die Zahlen aus dem ehemaligen Ostblock interessieren.
Ich glaube der KGB hat etwa 4 Millionen Tote zugegeben. Ich habe von
Schaetzungen im Bereich von 40 bis 50 Millionen gehoert. Kann dazu
einer genaueres und Quellen angeben?



Wolfram Petsch
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack)
Subject: Waigels Haushaltsentwurf
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:07:53 GMT

...umfasst 435 Mrd. DM fuer 1993.

Dafuer entfallen 100 fuer Arbeit und Soziales,
58 fuer die Bezahlung von Schulden und Zinsen,
auf Platz 3 folgt Verteidigung mit 50.8

die Neuverschuldung soll um 2.5 Mrd auf 38 sinken.

quelle: stuttgarter ztg.

michael
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: bobv@spike.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Bob von Buelow)
Subject: umlaut
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:29:44 GMT

In an article posted in another newsgroup I saw displayed on my
SUN SPARCstation an umlauted-A.  I would like to know how to 
enter such characters so that I could correctly enter my name.

Any help?

Bob



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From: mrbulli@btoy1.UUCP (Thomas Bullinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Biologische Schaedlingsbe
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:23:04 GMT
Organization: Private UNIX system
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.german ]
[ Author was Carl Camurca ]
[ Posted on 8 Sep 92 19:43:00 GMT ]

AY>From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
AY>Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
AY>Date: 07 Sep 92 09:27 PDT
AY>Subject: Biologische Schaedlingsbekaempfung
AY>Message-ID: <1473000038@igc.apc.org>

AY>I am from Taiwan and an US educated Entomologist with professional experienc
AY>in biological pest control (USA, Taiwan) and in some other parts of the bug
AY>business. In Germany I probably first will learn some German language and th
AY>try to get back to research - if possible.

AY>Are there any foreigners on soc.culture.ge who have enough experience with
AY>"academic.culture.ge" and the German way, to tell me, how that could be
AY>managed? My main objective is to stick to science and to prepare myself to
AY>work again in China (perhaps somewhere between Taipei and - yes - Shanghai)
AY>later.

As far as I see it, the chances are pretty good for you in Germany.
_Biological_ pest control is a big deal here, and you should be able to
find a group to work in/with. If you have access to the MEDLINE, you
could use the key words Munich and entomology to find the addresses of
some groups. Then you can get in touch with them directly.
The "academic.culture.ge" is pretty much the same as everywhere in the
world. In comparison to the US, the Germans tend to be a little more
formal, but nothing serious. You can use English very well as the
language in the lab, as every German working there will speak it.
Although you _could_ get along with English outside the lab, I would
strongly suggest to pick up a little German. This will be greatly
appreciated.

AY>An-Ly Yao-Kluge
AY>Seoul, 1992/08/08
AY>Korea

If you have more questions, feel free to ask.

greetinx, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Biochemists wear designer genes
                                                                       
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.australian
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: German-Australian Dual Citizenship
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:07:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.020912.6813@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au>,
	 s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA) writes...
>Why would you want to take up Canadian Citizenship? ;-)
> 
	To keep your job, perhaps?  Have you read the little blurb at the
bottom of all job advertisements for Canada?  I got kicked out of Canada
because I refused to take any steps to Canadian citizenship.  I have it on good
authority that at one stage Manpower & Immigration officers at SFU would
consider that a Canadian with a PhD in _any_ field of chemistry would be given
preference over a foreigner with a PhD in the specific field advertised.
> 
Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: br@nadia.stgt.sub.org (Bernd Rosenau)
Subject: Re: Waigels Haushaltsentwurf
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:07:20 GMT
Organization: Stuttgart Net Systems, FRG

In article <psima01.716051273@convex> psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack) writes:
>...umfasst 435 Mrd. DM fuer 1993.
>
>Dafuer entfallen 100 fuer Arbeit und Soziales,
>58 fuer die Bezahlung von Schulden und Zinsen,
>auf Platz 3 folgt Verteidigung mit 50.8
>
>die Neuverschuldung soll um 2.5 Mrd auf 38 sinken.
>
>quelle: stuttgarter ztg.
>
>michael

Hmmm, da muessen eigentlich auch die vielen Nebenhaushaltte genannt sein,
ich bin sicher, naechstes Jahr werden sicher wieder mehr als 150 Mrd.
DM nach Ostdeutschland fliessen und die sind ja fast alle in
den Nebenhaushalten versteckt, dann kommt das mit 38 Mrd Neuverschuldung
garantiert nicht mehr hin...weiss jemand mehr ueber die Nebenhaushalte
(Fonds deutsche Einheit usw... ) ???

Gruss , Bernd.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,rec.travel
From: rdc@pelican.cit.cornell.edu (Bob Cowles)
Subject: Re: german videos, etc
Summary: Info sources on German
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:12:24 GMT
Organization: Cornell Info. Tech.


The mail bounced, so I am replying by posting.


Check out the "audio forum" catalog titled "The Whole World Language
Catalog" ... located in CT and have an number of 1-800-243-1234.
I don't know how they got my name, but for German (in addition to 
FSL tapes and normal videos) they offer German Monopoly, feature films
and a "storybridge to German for Children" ..."...repeating German
words and phrases in the context of familiar stories such as Little
Red Riding Hood...".

I have no experience with them ... have just looked at the catalog.

With less than $100 in a shortwave radio you can pick up Deutsche
Welle broadcasts from Cologne,  Depending on the bands available 
you can easily pick up the broadcasts (most in German, some in
English) from 6 in the evening until 2 am (I have heard of a GE
Superradio that can be purchased for about $50-70 that should do
nicely).  Also, check with you local cable company about carrying
SCOLA ... an educational service out of Nebraska that rebroadcasts
news programs from around the world.  If you have a dish, I have
heard that Deutsche Welle will be carried on one of the satellite
channels starting in November.

Good Luck!
Bob Cowles
rdc1@cornell.edu
From: 00rgyoung@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Author unknown
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:51:18 GMT


  

     I would greatly appreciate it if any users of the board could tell me
who wrote this poem!


      Drei Sonnen sah ich am Himmel stehn,
      hab' lang und fest sie angesehn,
      und sie auch standen da so stier
      als wollten sie nicht weg von mir.

      Ach, meine Sonnen seid ihr nicht!
      schaut andern doch ins Angesicht!
      Ja, neulich hatt ich auch wohl drei;
      nun sind hinab die besten zwei.

      Ging nur die dritt erst hinterdrein!
      Im dunkeln wird mir wohler sein.

           
         Any mistakes are probably mine; I found this poem written in an old
note book...

                                                  Any clues appreciated,
                                                       Rose
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: poser@vxdsyc.desy.de (Till Poser  -  ZEUS OFFLINE)
Subject: Re: Auslander
Reply-To: Poser@vxdsyc.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:50:48 GMT

In article <2625.178.uupcb@wugate.wustl.edu>,
 carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca)  writes:

|>SPG>From: spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie)

|>SPG>These reports of anti-foreigner violence in Germany in recent weeks are
|>SPG>rather disturbing. I am moving to the Stuttgart area. I look Western
|>SPG>European (blue eyes, etc), but am not fluent with the language. Should
|>SPG>I be concerned?
|>
|>No, your look happens to be trendy in Germany.

Carl, You are beginning to overdo this a little bit.

|>                                               As you are moving to
|>Baden-Wuerttemberg, you as American will be welcomed.
|>You can get along with English, but do learn at least a little German.
|>The effort is worth it (you'll discover) and it will be greatly
|>appreciated by the people. Even if you stammer only a few phrases.

|>Besides, I'm glad you asked. It shows the deteriorating German image
|>abroad. Damn, Germans, DO something!

Herrgottnochmal! Carl, for for the last couple of months You've indulged in
hysterical warnings about the evil racist denizens of the Ostzone and issued
objurgations as to the advisability of traveling there. Very well, that is 
Your cup of tea and I won't begrudge You all the jollies You get from it.

However, if You then start to whine about the "German image" (what ever that
is supposed to be) and its deterioration here in this group, I have very
great problems _not_ making bilious remarks about hypocrisy.

Bei allen Deinen negativen Erfahrungen, Carl, waere ich Dir trotztem 
wirklich zu Dank verbunden, wenn Du die Kirche im Dorf lieszest. 

Und von wegen "DO something!", haettest Du da vielleicht ein paar
Vorschlaege? Ich mein ja nur...

|>Greetinx, Carl.

       Till Poser         Internet: poser@vxdsyc.desy.de
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.polish
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: common Polish-German action (was: Nazi Cam
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:51:16 GMT

dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz) writes:

>>roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
>>c) Most of the Jews in what was Poland in 1939 were there because of
>>the old Russian policy of the Pale of Settlement.  The Poles had little
>>to say about this.

>You may wish to learn this: in 1764, there were about 750,000 Jews in
>Poland (about 6%) of the population, living mainly in the Ukraine (44%)
>and Lithuania+Bielorussia) (27%). The proportion was not much different
>than in 1931, with one exception: immigration from Germany (I do not know
>why, but as soon as Prussia occupied western Poland, numerous Jews moved
>East.

Exactly where does this Western Poland begin on the East and end on the West?
Is this the former East Prussia or Pommerania or what? 
fred
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: net@cs.tu-berlin.de (Oliver Laumann)
Subject: Re: Rostock, Berlin, usw.
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:04:11 GMT

jost@speedy.prz.tu-berlin.de (Jost Weinmiller) writes:
> schon mal davon gehoert, dass das ziemlich unwichtig ist, ob man 
> gross oder Klein schreibt?

Wohl kaum.  Was ist der Unterschied zwischen

   ``Er kaufte Eisen und stahl''

und

   ``Er kaufte Eisen und Stahl''?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: deant@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Dean Taylor)
Subject: rugby in Deutschland
Keywords: rugby
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:14:53 GMT

I am interested in playing rugby in Germany.
Could anyone tell me dates of the rugby season, competition structure,
the standard of play, good teams to play for or any other useful
information.
Now for your entertainment I will attempt this post in German without
the aid of a dictionary.

Mir interessant rugby in Deutschland speilen.
Konntet jemand mir sagen die Date von Rugby Jahrezeit, was fur ein
Koncurrenz gibt es, Hochheit von Speil, gute teamen in dem ich
speilen konnte oder etwas anderes uber rugby.

Vielen Dank,

Dean Taylor
Austalia