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From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:35:01 GMT

In article <jahn.724455890@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> jahn@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Juhoon Ahn) writes:
>
>What is wrong with calling him "our teacher?"  If you are not
>comfortable with the word "our," just think about how we call our
>house.  You see, we say "our house" instead of "my house" in Korean.

	You misread me.  I don't have problem with the word "our", I have
problem with the word "teacher."  

>I think we also need to ask why he "broke" his promise.  I don't
>think he broke it.  The government broke it first.  If the 
>government had kept the promise, DJ would keep his promise.

	What promise did the government break?  Or was there some escape
clause written in fine print in DJ's promise that Roh overlooked which
allowed DJ to go back on his words?

 >And, I 
>don't think Roh achived his victory.  He made his victory.  He 
>manipulated his victory.  He stole it.  Well, here we go.  I don't 
>have any proof.

	Well, I guess posting claims with no proof is acceptable in the
Usenet community.  By the way, did you know that the chief of CIA was in
Bogota just 10 months before the Columbian earthquake?  Am I saying that
the CIA caused the earthquake?  Well, I can't prove it...  (With apologies
to the writers of Sneakers.)

  BTW, what made you decide YS is more trustful than
>DJ?  "But now, all I have is cynicism towards him( <- YS)>" <-
>I am sorry for being a copycat.  I hope I didn't violate any kind
>of copyright here.

	We all have our differences.  You believe DJ is more trustworthy
than YS.  I believe otherwise.  Oh and you will hear from my lawyer about
the copyright infringement and a possible look-and-feel suit.
>


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:46:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.010231.25306@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.163949.11987@news.acns.nwu.edu> andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec14.083603.10159@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>>>[....]
>>>	You should not ignore those who worked hard to be rich;
>>>	and they have every right to spend their money where they
>>>	want to.
>>Well, I could suggest a few way of spending their money.
>
>	And it should end as a suggestion; and you shouldn't blame
>	them for their not following your suggestion.
>	Daeshik Kim	

Of course it was half serious suggestion...
I will not blame them for not following my suggestion, but

Of course, I will blame them for doing something that
is ethically questionable.  They will live their life
as they want to, and (probably) in accordance with the legal 
guidelines; however, this does not say anything about ethical 
nature of their action.  Consequently, I will blame them from 
that perspective.

      Money, get away
      Get good job with more pay and your OK
      Money it's a gas
      Grab that cash with both hand and make stash
      New car, caviar, four star daydream,
      .....
      Pink Floyd [from album 'The Dark Side of the Moon']

Andrew/S/H/Kim
--
"O sancta simplicitas! In what strange simplification of falsification man 
lives!  ... How we have made everything around us clear and free and easy and 
simple!  How we have been able to give our senses a passport to everything 
superficial..."             [Beyond Good and Evil]  by F. Nietzsche
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From: kim_nl@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Nina L Kim)
Subject: Re: Recommendation for traditional Korean musi
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:03:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.225135.20629@oakhill.sps.mot.com> vincek@oakhill.sps.mot.com writes:
>
>	What kind??
>
    I have received a few good recommendations and I would like to get
more information.  
    What I am looking for is any type of traditional korean music. I
am not interested in modernized version.
    I am especially interested in Pan so ri and instrumental music
and like to know the names of artists.
Thanks in advance.

nina kim kim_nl@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
 
    


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From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Lee Jong-chan quits race.
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:52:46 GMT

mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:
>His action will not much influence C.Y. Chung' winning,  probably
>2 or 3 % of votors may be added up to CY's portion.  However,
>definitly this should be helpful for Dae-Jung Kim's win since now
>the presidential race is neck-and-neck between DJ and YS.  It is
>a decisive dedication to DJ's win.

I'm not quite sure this will be the case. Remeber Lee Jongchan was a former
Minja party member, so his supporters might be back to Minja (YS) party.
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Behavior.
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:59:47 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:


>What??? What do you mean by saying three-or-more into the same 
>bed room??? You mean they sleep together??? Hmm, I've never thought of that.

	That's just lack of your imagination and desire to pursue it.
	What's wrong with sleeping with multiple partners as long as
	you practice safe sex, and all agree to it? And you don't cheat on
	someone who you promise not to do so.

>Well, I think I'm too conservative (or traditional).

	Well, I will say you are sexually conservative. Sex life and
	your mentality are two different things.


Jung
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From: vincek@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Vincent Kim)
Subject: Re: Good Names Anyone? 
Reply-To: vincek@oakhill.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:41:46 GMT

	How about "Seung Bae" or "Won Bae"!!
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From: 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: bbong-jjak
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:37:32 GMT
Organization: University of Western Ont, London

In article <85561@ut-emx.uucp>, txwizard@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (txwizard) writes:
> Ah, Brian.  There is your problem.  You are *listening*.  
> 
> You don't listen to bbong-jjak, you *do* it, with Soju glass in one hand
> and chopstick on the other hand.  These days, it seems to have been raised
> to another level.  It is so tacky, it is beautiful.
>
> Andy "No More Final" Kim
> 
> I love bbong-jjak over soju and some tasty anju and good friends.
> I was raised in California listening to New Waves and rap.  But after
> spending a year in Korea, I love bbong-jjak.  It's takcky but the lyrics
> represent the everyday life of people in Korea.
> 
> Michael S. Kim
> 

I couldn't agree more with you, Michael.  Even though I have lost the taste
for soju from not being able to have it for so long, I must admit I long for
the days when I can sit at the DuKeobi-jib (it used to be quite a hangout in
the back alley of the road in front of Yonsei) or any ol' chinese restaurant
with some good friends and soju singing our hearts out.  Somehow, any other
type of music, be it Korean or not, doesn't fit in the picture.  OK, maybe
some sappy love songs that I hear so much about these days at s.c.k.

BTW, what anju is your favourite, folks?  Maybe we can do one of them polls 
again to see what is the most favoured anju with soju, or for any drinks?!

henry "with one deadly exam to go" chon
-- 
***************************************************************************

Henry E Chon
7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca
hechon@uwovax.uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario, London, Canada

"Do not worry about your problems in Mathematics, I can assure you mine are
 still greater."  A. Einstein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Korean names
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:30:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.012833.21909@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>Talking about names, Koreans are the only people I know that actually pays
>to name something.  That means, there are professional name makers.  That
>means people think name has a lot to do with the fate of the entity, be it
>a person or a company.

	Tell me about it.  My grandparents paid for my name, Tae Hyun.  The
person who made up that name supposedly said that this name will make me
more famous than JP.  (This was in 1971, JP was flying high and mighty.)
So just look for my initials TH to appear in Korean election few years
down the road.  I'll be running for president against Park Chan Jong. :)

>
-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
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From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: To Brian Chung ( From the poster of "DJ for President" )
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:48:12 GMT

kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim) writes:

>I certainly agree that there are a lot of prejudices imposed by past dictators
>on DJ's image. 
>Anyway, do you care to share how you could overcome such prejudices and see
>through the *real* character of DJ?  Did you ever meet him personally and talk
>to him? [ Same questions apply to those supporters of YS ].

That was easy for me. :) 
I was not indoctrinated very severely since I'm quite young and
to read a couple of 'ShinDongA' was enough for me to be a DJ supporter.
Well, later, I realized that 'ShinDongA or DongA Ilbo' is Democratic party line
and 'Chosun Ilbo or WolKan Chosun' is Minja party line and SaeGae Times is
United people's party line, so you might say that reading ShinDongA
gave me a different kind of prejudice. :)


Cheers for baby democracy!
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From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: DJ for President
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:33:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.015120.78167@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:
>I entially agree with you.   Our country needs a smart president.
>Our country now lies in the important and transient step in terms
>of economic and political situation.  If we fail to move toward
>one of developed countries,  our country might be another Brazil,
>Argentina, and Greece.
> ...

Yeah, sure, smart/dumb president will guide the country into prosperity/
bankrupcy.  Except I don't see any merit on comparison with countries like 
Argentina or Brazil, each of which are *many* times larger than Korea, 
obviously each of which with completely different people, history, tradition, 
culture, etc than Korea.  Greece??

In case of Brazil, failure of Brazil to gear up toward export oriented 
economy as S.Korea in the magnitude of having significant impact on general 
population (as it happened in S.Korea) is not necessaryly due to failure of 
its political/economical leadership.  As an indication, in Brazil, there are 
several regions of comparable territorial dimension of South Korea with per 
person gross income level in the order of (sorry don't know hard numbers) 
what S.Korea has in the 1990's, and that was several years ago.  So, it seems 
that smaller territorial dimension of S.Korea has something to do with it 
even though it's not entire story (for example, population, numberwise).  
Such simplistic comparison is somewhat offensive at the least to any 
Brazilian or Argentinian who might be reading this newsgroup.

>our economy and international relations are far behind other
>countries like Singapore, China, etc.

Singapore doesn't count; I mean, roughly speaking, it's like taking Seoul 
(for that matter, any world size mega city) isolated.  China is entirely
another story.
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: DJ for President
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:51:20 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec14.071326.10189@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu
writes:
>Header:
>
>
>
>
>I hope DJ will be elected for President.  I am an ardent supporter of DJ.
>I pray everyday for it.


I entially agree with you.   Our country needs a smart president.
Our country now lies in the important and transient step in terms
of economic and political situation.  If we fail to move toward
one of developed countries,  our country might be another Brazil,
Argentina, and Greece.

We don't need a stupid president who does not have capabilities to
distinguish between what is better and what is worse.

A smart and knowlegeable president can be able to select the best
one among several alternatives of economic and political strategies
made and suggested by his secretaries.  I am afraid that a supid
president makes a decision with the worst alternative,  and so
our economy and international relations are far behind other
countries like Singapore, China, etc.

According to the current polls,  I believe that Dae-Jung Kim will
be elected unless unexpected and unlucky news about him happens.



                    Minho Jo, Lehigh University
                    MJ03@Lehigh.edu
From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Orange-jok (MilGam-jok ?)
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:18:09 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

umin@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Un-Sig Min) writes:
>
>      In some sense, Rap music is very similar to 'TaReung' (one traditional
>      music genre, example, GakSulRi TaReung : Beggars' Song). Korean like
>      TaReung style music , but there aren't much modern song to enjoy.
>      This desire is filled with Rap music. Some generation may not like
>      it and they will find their favorite.


Very interesting observation. I always thought there was something
familiar about rap music but couldn't quite define what it was. 
I never liked the way that Korean pop stars like Suh Taeji do 
rap though... there is a somewhat awkward feel to it and it always
seemed to be missing something. Maybe some new artist will study and
adapt TaReung forms to rap style and we will see something that is
REALLY interesting.

-Han 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: seungwoo@exa.cs.umn.edu (Seung-Woo Kim)
Subject: Re: Reading HAN.* news group
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:06:44 GMT

In <1992Dec15.032103.24149@news.acns.nwu.edu> park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park) writes:

>You can use '-f' option when you start 'tin' to use news group file other
>than default ~/.newsrc.
>-- 
Gosh, I was misled by my operator twice. They told me I can't change
the NNTP server. I managed to hack around to find NNTPSERVER. They
told me I can't change .newsrc, and I modified the source code. I 
wonder what they know. 

Seung-Woo Kim
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From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Behavior.
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:57:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.192250.10683@eng.umd.edu>, dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.190301.15397@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>>>	Multipartner (1 year)    :     21%   (     speechless          )
>>...
>>More radical??? Hmm, I thought this was very schocking number.
>>(21% have multiple sexual partner at the same time!).
>
>	Hmm, here's match for the perverted James:)
>
>	Wasn't this supposed to be like maintaining more than one
>	girl/boy friends instead of your wild-thinking of
>	three-or-more-some into the same bed-room at the same time.

What??? What do you mean by saying three-or-more into the same 
bed room??? You mean they sleep together??? Hmm, I've never thought of that.
>
>	If so, depending on the age group, it doesn't took that
>	shocking.

Well, I think I'm too conservative (or traditional).

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From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:12:36 GMT

In article <1ghditINN9uj@menudo.uh.edu> wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.062717.10343@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> kim_nl@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Nina L Kim) writes:
>>   As for 'rap music' issue, I agree with the rest of followups. (I
>>thought that Su Taeji group is quite talented: I never liked rap until
>>I listened to them.  And from what I saw from the interview on tv,
>>they seem to be smart too)
>
>Wide spread of rap music is one of good proofs that human culture/civilization
>does not alway improve.

Independent of artistic merit of rap, wonder whether rap lovers keep in
perspective ice-T rapping I'll beat you up and kick the Korean shopkeepers' 
ass if you don't behave etc, only to offer a meek regret later only after 
Korean liquor store owners set pressure against a liquor manufaturer who was 
using ice T in advertising.
From: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:06:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Originator: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu

From the poster of DJ for President :

***********************************************************************
I am also sick and tired that everybody tries to just find fault with
the other's remark. (to hang down while holding the tale of horse.)
I need positive, progressive, and aggressive suggestion.
***********************************************************************

I've read several opinion about above word I said.  I accept that I was too
emotional when I said that.  I'm not gonna be sick and tired any more.
Here I'd liked to ask you this:

I just want to know what you are thinking about the election.  If you know
about the Truth, there may be some your own idea to be made by the Truth.
That's what I want to listen to.  For example, let's assume you don't support
DJ.  You may have the reason why you don't support him (for instance, he is 
lying too much).  To the politician, and of course to the president, the 
honesty is one of the most important element.  So the conclusion can be 
decided like this : "DJ should not be the president because he is too 
dishonesty".  

Then, who is better than him?  Who is the least evil?  Why is he better than
any others?  If you think the dishonesty is the most important element of all
the thing, at least one person may be on your mind even though it'll be vague.
This part, this part is what I want to listen.  That was just a example.  
I want to listen to your mind deeper inside.  And if you don't like my idea.  
Please just don't point out the problem of my idea.  Please PERSUADE me.  I'm
always proud of myself I am not a narrow-minded person.  If your persuasion is
logical, reasonable and correct, I'll be so happy.  You know, not only music
makes us feel good, but great debate also makes us feel nice, doesn't it ?

Thank you, everyone.  I wish I become your friend.
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 08:36:03 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <1992Dec14.062717.10343@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> kim_nl@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Nina L Kim) writes:
>   The reason Korean society makes so much issue out of orange-jok
>or how rich spends their money is that it represents a major
>problem in Korea: an enormous gap between upper and lower classes.

	There you go; you just sited where the problem is.
	The problem is not how they spend their money but
	how they earned their moeny.

>Not many rich people in Korea are from old money. Most people had
>to struggle after the War. There are some, due to unstable economy(?)
>'overnight riches'. All these lead to attitude of 'money can buy
>everything'.

	You should not ignore those who worked hard to be rich;
	and they have every right to spend their money where they
	want to.

	Again, if there's problem, it must be how they became rich;
	but not where they spend their money.

>It's only natural that these people feel angered and frustrated in
>facing such people like orange-jok.

	I've seen those people who were angered while I was in Korea;
	and I never liked them and couldn't agree.

	If I'm drinking Soju and some other 'Young' - this is very
	important adj. - kids drinking expensive alcoholic beverage,
	I could never drink it w/o someone's complaint against the
	'Young' kids - and I couldn't stand it.

	If some 'Young' college girl drives fancy car and happens to
	make mistake while driving, there'll be some arguments on
	the 'Young' and 'college girl' rather than the mistake she
	made.  Again, I can never stand this BS.

	Also, there are lots of college kids who make a lot more
	money than you can hardly imagine these days; when they spend
	these money for them, what do you complain?

	When I heard anger, all of them I've heard was rather
	anger towards themselves by just utilizing those kids' behaivor.

	I'm not intended to force someone to think like me;
	but the fact is that I could never swallow those complaint
	; and I used to respond to those by,
	"FU! Stay poor and use only the cheapo for all your life".

	For the RAP, just like any other kinda song, some of them
	are very good, the others are not.  Whatelse should we
	talk about?

	Let me see...

	Let's say,
	If black people sing rap, no problem;
	but if Korean people sing rap, problem.

	Isn't this racist statement?

	Rather, I would say,
	If poor rapper sings rap, big problem;
	if good rapper sings rap, no problem.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:50:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.191732.18081@tc.cornell.edu>, jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.175154.25985@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> umin@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Un-Sig Min) writes:
>>
>>I heard that his son will be leader of his party.
>>I don't have any official document. 
>
>	You are kidding right?  His son?  The guy who owns that huge
>Chinese restaurant?  I thought DJ didn't want his son to be involved
>in politics and his son was really having a hard time getting a job
>because of the government's influence, and that's why he became a
>restauranteur.
>T. H. Brian Chung

Ha! This is another LIE or Rumor. His son doesn't have that Chinese
restaurant. He revealed his family's property, but I couldn't 
read it in it. And also I've never heard that his son paid TAX for that
restaurant.       
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