From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Serbia etc.
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:50:08 GMT

jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
#dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

##I thought you were Scottish.
#
#Just as a matter of interest, what if I'm Scottish, British, *and* Jewish?

Won't make no difference to me. The guy who made the most evil
statement on t.p.m that I have seen, asserting that Jewish
settlers in Gaza are "fair game" for assasinations, is a Jew. I
am an equal opprtunity flamer. 

##And I don't think Britain
##has anything to do with the middle-east conflict, not more than
##it has to do with the political situation in other old British
##colonies, like India.
#
#Well there you go again, the mysterious elastic time-scale. The Jews have
#a right to settle in Israel because some Jews lived there 2000 years ago,

I never said that. I don't believe there is such a thing as a "right
over a country". I don't believe the British have a "right" to be
in Britain, the Danes don't have a "right" to be in Denmark, etc. 
Israel was founded just like any other country was founded. Many
Palestinians suffered - I am sorry for that, but if it was not for
the Arab state's attempt to exterminate Israel their suffering would
not have occured. 800,000 Jews were treated like s**t in Arab
countries and fled to Israel, leaving all they had behind. No one
talks about that. 

Just a historical remark, there were more than "some Jews" in Judea
2,000 years ago; maybe up to a million.

And, anyway, what has that got to do with my statement about
Britain? I bear no special grudges against Britain, I think
its a fine country. At least its colonialism was relatively
civilized. I just said that *today* Britain doesn't have any
special role in the mid-east.

#and they have a right to shoot women and children because they threw stones
#yesterday, but anything that happened at any other time is irrelevant.

I never said that, and I criticized the way the IDF handeled the
Intifada. But: you don't know what it means to be surrounded
by hundreds of people hurling rocks at you. Believe me, no great
fun, some people lose their cool or get hysterical, and fire
away. Undoubtdly, some IDF soldiers crossed the line, some were
punished. The main guilt lies with the higher command that simply
did not know how to handle the situation, and it certainly took
them too much time to regroup. However, if you check the stats, you
will see a sharp decrease in the number of Arabs killed as the
Intifada proceeded, as new ways to deal with the situation were
developed. 

#hypocrite. Maybe you can help me out by proving that you're not by
#re-posting the last time you demonstrated your even-handedness by
#criticizing Israeli actions? Then you can point out the last time you
#flamed posters like Makowsky, Tractinsky etc. for their one-sided postings.
#

I have stated quite a few times that I sharply disagree with
Makowsky on political issues and how the mid-east conflict
should be solved. As for Tractinsky, I think his posters are
among the most intelligent and objective on t.p.m. What problem
have you got with him?

#You'll be sorry to learn that I'm not holding my breath waiting for your
#response.

Sorry to dissapoint you.

-Danny Keren.