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From: 880840m@ace.acadiau.ca (MICHAEL ALEXANDER MCKAY)
Subject: T3?
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:22:18 GMT

When T2 was released, there was a one-issue tie-in photo magazine full of 
pix from the movie, interviews with the stars, and so on. One photo showed 
Linda Hamilton in old-age makeup, looking peaceful, wearing a poncho. 
However, no such scene appears in T2.

Theory: It's from a scene in which Sarah Connor grows old happily in a nuke-
free future. "How about that," she says, "We really are safe, children."
*But*, including this scene would have precluded a T3 movie in which the 
future is again imperiled. So it was cut; so T3 *is* planned.

What do you think?

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From: gonzalez@CERCA.UMontreal.CA (Jean-Francois Gonzalez)
Subject: Re: Highlander
Organization: CEntre de Recherche en Calcul Applique, Montreal, Quebec, CANADA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:35:24 GMT

In article <01GQZABD3USI8WX6L1@ZENO.MSCD.EDU> JOHN@ZENO.MSCD.EDU (HUNTLY) writes:
>Hi, Having heard about the European version of Highlander is kind of
>frustrating.  I have the US version and like it alot.  So now ever since
>people have been mentioning that there is a longer, more in depth version
>I was wondering.  Is it available in the US, or just Europe?  
>				Thanks 
> 				John@zeno.mscd.edu

Can someone explain what are the differences between the two versions?
Thanks.

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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: I Liked Alien 3
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:59:36 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <Bx7D6K.LIB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:

>Regardless of what Cameron wanted, regardless of his reasons for cutting
>the scene, the bottom line is that the scene was cut.  It didn't actually
>happen. 

Hello?  Are you kidding?  The scenes were added back.  Not in the end, or
on a seperate LD, but in the movie itself.  They are a *part* of the movie.
The scenes *did* happen.

That's not good enough for you?

>But (as I mention elsewhere) without a proper definition of what's canon
>and what isn't, this whole discussion is pointless.

Well, I would think that any scene that happens in the movie would be
considered canon, no?

Except for STV. :-)

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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Terminator II *flaw*
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:56:32 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <96641@netnews.upenn.edu> worthm@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mike Worth) writes:

>Not to be smug, but I have found a *major* error in T2. Ok, time travel back to
>T1, when Michael Beihn says that only living tissue can go through the vortex.
>Ok, to how did the T1000 (which is made of liquid metal and went through the
>vortex right after the terminator in T1) go through? He should have been 
>unable to get through. Think about it.

Holy shit!  You're right!  It's incredible that no one has thought of this
before!  How can we all have possibly missed this???

Hey, you know something else?  In Alien 3, there's no way for that egg
to have gotten on the Sulaco.  How did it get there????


Man, I'm surprised no one every pointed these out before.  They're so
obivious!


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From: "james kewageshig" <james.kewageshig@canrem.com>
Subject: a new mel gibson movi
Reply-To: "james kewageshig" <james.kewageshig@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:31:19 EST

KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL writes:

KN>While attending a movie over the weekend, I saw a trailer for an upcoming Mel
KN>Gibson movie that has an SF theme.  Unfortunately, I don't remember the title
KN>of the movie, but it should be out soon.

[ Stuff about Mel being frozen and then thawed in the '90s deleted]

I too saw a bit of the trailer for this because I was waiting n the
lobbyt for my date to show up ( *DOOWH!* <- Homer ).

Anyway, what I notice mostly was the music, which was Vangelis. Great
little song that is on his 'Themes' CD.  Can't remember what movie
it is really from. While on the topic of Vangelis, how is his name
pronouced: 'Van-jel-lis' as in 'jealous' or 'Van-ghel-lis' as in
ah... gelding??

From the messages description, it sounds a lot like a little
gem I saw just recently called 'Late for Dinner'.  That was
a good little movie kinda based on the same theme.  If you haven't
seen it, its (like I said) a good little movie, with little bits
of sentiment all over.  A very simple movie, but it works because
of it...  worth the rental on a cold night...
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From: blum@medici.ils.nwu.edu (Dan Blum)
Subject: Re: DH Stories??
Reply-To: blum@ils.nwu.edu
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:23:41 GMT

I assume that he was referring to the comic books published by Dark
Horse.  They've done a bunch of Aliens and Predators (and Alien vs.
Predator, I think) comics.  I would tend to think taht they're
available in Australia, but I don't really know.

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blum@ils.nwu.edu   1890 Maple Ave., Evanston, IL 60201   708-467-2306

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 actually existed, as he himself would doubtless be the first to admit
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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Subject: Re: Terminator II
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 19:39:05 PST

I have looked at the new letterboxed versions of Terminator and Terminator
II. They are outstanding!! If you enjoyed the P&S on VHS you'll love the
LBX.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Subject: Re: Predator/Minigun question
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:52:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: rjn@FC.HP.COM
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

John Switzer (jrs@netcom.com) wrote:

> I was rewatching Predator recently and have a question about the scene in
> which Mac discovered Blaine's body and let loose with the minigun - he
> emptied the gun, though, but kept his hands on the trigger so that the gun
> chambers continued to revolve.  What's the power source for this?  I had
> thought that most semi- and full-automatics used the power of the current
> round being fired to chamber the next round or turn the chamber or
> whatever.  This couldn't be the case here, so what was spinning the
> chamber?

I've never heard of a gatling design that was self-powered, either by recoil
or bleed gasses.  They are all mechanically driven, typically by an electric
motor nowadays.  "Chain guns" might be different.  I presumed that the
"Predator" backpack contained a battery as well as the ammo.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
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From: u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner)
Subject: Re: Alien biology
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:34:27 GMT

alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes:

>In article <74304@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>>In article <alien.00xq@acheron.amigans.gen.nz> alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes:
>Not really! These are hive creatures. When they charged the Gatling guns, I
       							     ^^^^^^^
Er, they didn't *quite* look like gatling guns... more like video cameras on
tripods with bits stuck onto them :-)
>what we actually see. I'm prepared to speculate fairly widely, restricted by :

>(1) Don't contradict what I see in the movies, or (since I like them!) the
>Dark Horse comics.

>(2) Don't go outside the bounds of scientific plausibility (see below).

>(3) Don't go overboard (your example above). I think my definition of
>"overboard" is a bit less restrictive than yours.

>>>I don't accept this. These are *aliens* we're talking about! It would be an
>>>unbelievable coincidence if their genetic material bore the remotest
>>>resemblance to ours. Their body chemistry is very different to ours; I flatly
>>>refuse to believe that they could possibly "read" the host's DNA. Their
>>>genetic system would have no way to even tell what DNA is.

What about FTL/hyperspace, synthetic people, hypersleep etc...? Come on this is
sci-fi stuff are you going to reject that too? Also, people on different sides
of the world discussing a film using computers, networks, moniters etc. would
have seemed utterly unbelievable not so long ago...

>>
>>"It's a movie."
>>
>>If we're going to get rid of physical and biological impossibilities, let's
>>get rid of the acid blood.  The ability to survive in no atmosphere.
No evidence for this...

>>The (seeming) ability to live without food.
Same here...

>>>I think this is a clear case where there is a very good reason *not* to
>>>accept the director's statements as gospel. Ridley Scott obviously doesn't
>>>know the first thing about genetics. He was lucky enough not to show
>>>anything in the movie that couldn't be believed, but just because he put
>>>his foot in his mouth off screen, we don't have to ignore scientific facts
>>>just to suit him.
So you are a expert on alien biology? You're going on about it as if was real!!!

>>
>>Oh, come on!  I'll accept your Dark Horse comics as a source of info, but
>>you won't do the same about the LD?  Now who's the one who's being closed-
>>minded?
>>
>And one of the sources that I personally agree with is accepted scientific
>fact. If you're seriously claiming that we should ignore biological facts
>merely because a movie director says so, then I'm afraid we part company
>completely.

Dear oh dear
>One reason I like the Alien movies, and speculations like this, so much is
>that the movies *don't* stray into fantasy

*cough*

Mark.

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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Terminator II *flaw*
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:42:28 GMT

worthm@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mike Worth) writes:


>Not to be smug, but I have found a *major* error in T2. Ok, time travel back to
>T1, when Michael Beihn says that only living tissue can go through the vortex.
>Ok, to how did the T1000 (which is made of liquid metal and went through the
>vortex right after the terminator in T1) go through? He should have been 
>unable to get through. Think about it.

I can think of only one good explanation, and that is that the T-1000's
alloy structure must somehow have the same mysterious property that
living tissue has that allows it to be sent back through time.  Reese
didn't know about the T-1000, so he didn't qualify his statement to
include it.


                              --Steve Stelter
                                sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: rdosser@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (rdosser)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Quote 
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:39:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.212507.13329@utkux1.utk.edu> rdosser@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (rdosser) writes:
>Help me out, Blade Runner fans.
>When Deckard is questioning Zhora at the bar, she says something along
>the line of "Would I be working here if I could afford a real snake?"
>What, exactly, is that line?
>
>email me at rdosser@utkux.utk.edu. Thanks a million
>
>Ralph Dosser
>University of Tennessee Computing Center, or something like it
>

I appreaciate all the responses, but I guess I didn't make myself clear
enough. I know what she meant when she said it, but I'm looking for her
exact wording. e-mail me if you know.
^^^^^

rdosser@utkux.utk.edu

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (Dark Lord of the Sith)
Subject: rec.arts.sf.starwars,rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:38:28 GMT

     People interested in finding out about draft scripts and correspondence
with George Lucas by Leigh Brackett, ESB scriptwriter and SF writer, should
write to the following person:

          Mary Jo Walker
          Special Collections, Golden Library
          Eastern New Mexico University
          Portales, NM
          88130  

     In these archives are manuscripts from Leigh Brackett (ESB), Edmund
Hamilton, Jack Williamson, Piers Anthony, Forest J. Ackerman and others

     
     Of interest to Star Wars fans is the Corellian Archives, a fanzine 
collection began by George Lucas, now maintained by the Santa Barbara
Science Fiction Alliance. Over 2000 volumes of story, letter, informational
and foreign language literature; now open to all fandoms. Non-subscription
circulations by post for low rental fee. Research access is available by
appointment only. Write to:

          Ming Wathne
          437 Via Roma
          Santa Barbara, CA
          93110
          Phone: 1-805-967-4961

(taken from the 1992 Fandom Directory)


-- 

Darth Vader (John P. LaRocque)
vader@uwo.ca

"Farm chores sure could be dull, and Luke Skywalker was bored beyond belief.
He yearned for adventures out among the stars - adventures that would take him
beyond the furthest galaxies to distant and alien worlds.

"But Luke got more than he bargained for..."
                            from Star Wars the paperback (1976, first edition)

"Urk..urk..."
"Apologies accepted", Darth Vader
From: x91newcastl1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: book with R2 & 3PO--Raider's scene
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:43:58 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

R2D2 and C3PO in _Raiders_:  picture of actual wall with them chisled into it.

I just looked it up... the name of the book is:


_The making of raiders of the lost ark_
by Derek Taylor

New York, Ballantine, 1981

Dewey call number (at least at my home library, you know how screwy Dewey is!):
   791.437  TAY

No, I have no idea what page it's on, only that it is a "children's" book
  and that there is a still shot of the wall with R2 and 3PO
From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Mara as Fett (OH NO)
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:29:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bx979C.AAF
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Vian Lawson) writes:

>In <13370@ecs.soton.ac.uk> jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN) writes:


>>   Perhaps Mara is Luke's sibling !!! 

>Well, that theory has two stirling points to recommend it

>	1. Having the only *other* female in the galaxy related to Luke (
>and therefore presumably out of contention in the romance stakes) is
>consistent with all we currently know about the SW universe.  Heavens, but
>he must be tense :)

Hey, you're forgetting Mon Mothma and the dancer at Jabba's palace.  (No,
not Mara...the one with the head tails.)   I wonder where *they* fit
on Luke's family tree...


>But Mara is called the Emperor's _hand_, so obviously she is not fron
>Vader's genetic stock, but Pal's.  

Yuck.  :)


                                --Steve Stelter
                                  sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: hellmerj@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Jeffrey N Hellmers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The Emporer
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:12:06 GMT
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN

In article <Bx7H4t.798@cmptrc.lonestar.org> brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:

>My only concern/curiosity about the first trilogy is whether or not it will
>have a happy ending.  We know that Anakin Skywalker turns to the Dark Side
>of the Force, The Old Republic is all but obliterated by the Empire, and the
>Jedi's are scattered to the four corners of the galaxy.  The only thing I've
>been able to think of to give a ray of hope at the end of the trilogy is the
>birth of Luke & Leia.
>

I thought about this too, and I have the answer!  The third movie will indeed
have a sad(or at least not happy) ending.  Then at the very end the voice of 
Darth will be heard saying, "Now, go watch Star Wars"!  :)


-- 
         Jeffrey Hellmers            "Trouble is son, the farther you run, the
        hellmerj@stolaf.edu           more you feel undefined, for what you have         St. Olaf College             left undone, and more, what you've left
       Northfield, Minnesota          behind." Stephen Sondheim, INTO THE WOODS
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Subject: Re: Cliff Claven Figure
From: Brian Panulla, MooCow <BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:21:20 EST
Organization: Miskatonic University

In article <1992Nov5.030739.3148@pro-freedom.cts.com>, pip@pro-freedom.cts.com
(David Pipgras) says:
>
>In <Nov.4.19.50.47.1992.22913@gandalf.rutgers.edu>
>heerdege@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Juergen Heerdegen) writes:
>
>>907fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>
>>
>>>      Under one of the posts, someone pointed out that the guy who
>>>plays Cliff Claven the Mailman in Cheers also had a part in TESB.  He
>>>played the guy on Hoth that said to Leia, "I'm sorry.  We've done all we
>can,
>>>but we'll have to close the shield doors."
>>
>>Is this for real?
>
>
>Uhhhh. I don't think so. I just watched ESB, and he never even looked or
>sounded like "cliff"....I will watch that again tho' keeping this in
>mind....
>
>Dave
>==============================================================

YES! I was the one who pointed out that there was a Ratzenberger figure,
but the implications didn't occur to me!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahah....
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From: dgebhard@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Gebhard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Missing scene - ROTJ
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:33:33 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

When ROTJ was first released in theatres, I seem to remember
seeing the monster in Jabba's pit killing the dancing girl. In
later viewings, both on screen and tape, after the girl gets thrown
into the pit, the film cuts away. Was this an editorial 
decision made after release? Was it just changed on tape? Or, is 
my memory at fault? Does anyone else recall such a scene?

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From: ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sven E. Skoog)
Subject: Re: LAST COMMAND Predictions ( SPOILERS! )
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:32:15 GMT

Let's not forget that the Rebellion (oops... New Republic)
has a hold of the Katana, flagship of the Dreadnaught fleet.
If you recall, the Katana fleet's crew went insane and slaved
all their ships into that one's system...

Idle coincidence for Last Command?  I think NOT...

And I believe (for the record) that Luke will continue trying
to redeem C'baoth (remember he doesn't know Jorus is a clone)
and either Mara will choose to kill him herself or have to as
a result of Luke being up sh*t creek without a paddle (i.e.,
faked out by Jorus).

Mara--Luke romance looks real good, folks... gotta get the
new Jedi generation in there somehow (odds are Leia should have
had a miscarriage from all the hyperspace anyway)  :)

Sven Skoog
ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The ? Empire
Date: 6 Nov 1992 17:15:55 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


	The only mention of a name is in the intro paragraph at the beginning
ofROTJ (I think) where it's called the GALACTIC EMPIRE.  

	I don't know where the last poster got "The New Order" from--I can't
recall that term EVER being used.
From: mmccartn@cs.utexas.edu (Michael David McCartney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars, Star Trek, Star Madness!!
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:47:15 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Nov11.202010.1@vax1.umkc.edu> jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>     Star Trek was created a good decade before ANH.
>
>While some of the episodes were repeats of previous episodes, if there
>had not been Trekkies and others who were drawn into SiFi shows, then
>there may not have been any Star Wars in the first place.

I don't want to start a debate about this but I'd like to point out that
ST is really just _mainstream_ science fiction and SF has been around much
longer than ST ... a good example is a show that started before ST and is
still around today: Doctor Who.

I don't know when the whole fantasy of predicting future science and settings
was created, but it's been around longer than talking pictures!

I guess I just don't agree with you on that point.  To each his own.

Cheers,
Mike