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From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: A v WI, 3rd test drawn
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:12:44 GMT

In <1ibschINN5bl@munnari.OZ.AU> I said ...

| He [Lara] was involved
| in 2 record partnerships, best 3rd wicket for the WI (297 with Richardson,
| who made just 109 of them),

Actually, I meant, or should have said, that Richardson made 109,
that included some he made earlier with Haynes, before Lara arrived,
so my original comment somewhat understates Lara's achievement.

There's not really anything worth saying about the 5th day, it
was pretty boring comparatively, WI hung around till after lunch
making 606 total - the first time in Aust that a team scoring > 500
in the first innings has been passed in the opposition's first innings,
ane only the 4th (or 5th) time in tests anywhere apparently.

Australia batted out the day, scoring just over a hundred (Boon 60 or so,
Taylor 47 or something) without loss.

About the only interest was when Lara came on to bowl right near the
end.  Its good that his batting will keep him in the team (unlike
Hooper, who could only manage 21 on the final day) and doesn't have to
rely on his bowling ...  Adams remained not out on 77 (or something).

Overall impressions - the pitch was far too dead, 19 wickets and > 1200
runs in a test is absurd.  Murray perormed well enough for WI, and should
retain his place for the Adelaide test at the end of the month.  Hooper
must be in serious doubt, chances are that a fourth fast bowler will return
in Adelaide, and its either Hooper or Arthurton to go.

If it hadn't been for Lara's innings (even with centuries by Steve Waugh
and Richardson, and 70's by Boon, Border, Adams, and maybe others) this
would have been an eminently forgettable game.  Both teams batter pretty
well, and bowled well, with no assistance at all.

kre
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From: Sanjay.Naik@launchpad.unc.edu (Sanjay Naik)
Subject: Re: Second try - Srikkant ( was Re: A few reports/rumours from India
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:53:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.050909.9971@news.acns.nwu.edu> sidiyus@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf) writes:
>writes:
		[ ....... ]
>	Worst of all, other than a couple of balls, wasnt even trying to  
>hit !! The run-rate was lagging, but he wasnt doing anything. Had this  
>stupid shot, that he attempted every ball. Slanted bat, trying to run it  
>down to the point area. Tried it off _every_ ball !! Heck, even played  
>forward defensive shots that way - with a bat so angled that it was almost  
>at 90 degrees to the bowler !! Was finally out that way - angled bat,  
>tried to run down to point, edge and caught behind. Could have been out at  
>least 6-8 times legitimately before he finally went. Jadeja, by  
>comparison, looked like a rock ! ( and he was pretty OK, a few shaky  
>moments early but fairly solid and getting better with time at the  
>crease.) 
>

	This is exactly what I noticed during my trip to India last winter.
All the one-dayers were shown live, but we only got a dismal 10 mins for the
tests. Anyway during one of the one-dayers against Oz, Srikkant was playing
exactly as you describe him above (this was during the WSCs). 90 degrees to
the bowler is no exaggeration. This method was ok against Whitney, who was
slanting the ball against him anyway, but he was missing a lot against Mac.
Someone says in a later post that the Indian batsmen had developed a habit
of guiding balls to the slips. 

Well, you can see where they get it from.
Mind you playing a handful of one dayers in the middle of a test
series doesn't help does it. Then you have administrators deciding that a
one day game should be played in the middle of a test. I feel the test game
is being destroyed by these people, all in the name of money. Good to see
that England have cut down on the one-dayers for the visit by Oz. After
seeing the schedule against Pak, I felt that the last bastion had fallen.
I hope they don't give into the pressures - it's so tempting. In the
long run it's the whole game of cricket that will be damaged.

>		Sadiq [ we shall overcome ] Yusuf
>

Bye,

Sanjay Naik.
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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Sri Lanka : How good are they ?
Organization: Wits University
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 16:21:38 RSA

Sri Lanka is capable of beating NZ (recent result), Zimbabwe and the way
India is playing, perhaps them as well.
 
But, I question if they can beat the "top four":WI, Aus, Pak, Eng.
Also, SA has improved tremendously since their reintroduction into
world cricket and as they did reach the rain affected semis of the World
Cup, I would have to say that Sri Lanka may not be able to beat SA either.
 
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From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Subject: Lara's 277 & his future
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:47:16 GMT

In article <1ibschINN5bl@munnari.OZ.AU> kre@munnari.OZ.AU (Robert Elz) writes:

>There's isn't much else possible to see, but I think I can predict that
>Lara's future in the WI team is pretty secure for the next test, and
>probably the one after...

And the one after...and the one after...and the one after...and the one after.
..

Mahesh.
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From: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Subject: England v Pres XI
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:55:48 GMT
Reply-To: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

   The second day was a good day for England. They have dismissed Board XI
for229 (for 9) and scored 180 and odd runs for three wickets by close. The game
started an hour late due to bad light (this is the same day when a plane
overshot the runway in Delhi due to fog at around 10 am). Peter Taylor, in his
first appearance for England took five wickets (at one stage he took 4 for 9
off 18 balls). In England innings, Mike Gatting is unbeaten with 85, while his
opening partner, Gooch scored 77. Stewert coming at one down scored 4. All the
three wickets were   claimed  by Hirwani.

   On another note, British High Commissioner has advised the tour manager not
to alter the schedule. Unless things take much uglier turn, the first ODI is
stll going to be played in Ahmedabad on 16 th January.


K. Sankara Rao                          e-mail k.srao@power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu

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From: pavenant@dos-lan.cs.up.ac.za (Paul Avenant)
Subject: India 119/1 +- after 75 overs
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:09:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Pretoria

Yaaawwwnnnnn. It seems that India are content to lose the series. Game seems 
dead on day 3. Unless absolute collapse (or Kapil ?)
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From: bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN)
Subject: Re: England's tour Details!
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:38:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.162716.3485@sbcs.sunysb.edu> kthiruma@libws4.ic.sunysb.edu (Kumara Thirumalai) writes:
>Hi there
>
>Can some one post the tour itenarary of England's tour of India 1993,.
>thanks.
>

Here it is. BTW: I yanked this from r.s.c.


Cricket: What's happening in 1993 (English and International stuff)

Jan 13       Indian Board President's XI v England, one-day (Indore).

Jan 16       India v England, first one-day International (Ahmedabad); 

Jan 18       India v England, second one-day international (Jaipur); 

Jan 21       India v England, third one-day international (Delhi or Chandigarh).

Jan 23-25    India U-25 v England (Cuttack).

Jan 29-Feb 2 India v England, first Test (Calcutta).

Feb 5-7      Rest of India XI v England (Vishakhapatnam).

Feb 11-15    India v England, second Test (Madras).

Feb 19-23    India v England, third Test (Bombay).

Feb 26       India v England, fourth one-day International (Bangalore).

Mar 1        India v England, fifth one-day International (Jamshedpur).

Mar 5        India v England, sixth one-day International (tba).


S_Bala
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From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Subject: Speed in a REAL situation
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:05:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.012534.28379@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:

>The question is ? how fast were the above bowlers in a regular test match
>and how fast would wasim/waqar and donald bowl in such a test.

I recall reading an interview with a fast bowler (I forget who - perhaps
Roberts), wherein the person in question mentioned that it would be
reasonable to assume that bowlers would bowl quicker in actual matches
than they would in competitions (such as the fast bowling competition that
is being discussed so thoroughly). Apparently the sight of a batsman
taking strike is enough incentive to really let go...

Mahesh.
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From: narayana@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Kripanidhi Narayana)
Subject: Re: Gavaskar's opening partners
Keywords: cricket opening
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:19:20 GMT

In article <lknubgINNbl0@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, deepakd@ural.Eng.Sun.COM (Deepak Dhamdhere) writes:
> Someone earlier posted Gooch's long list of opening partners, I guess, 16
> of them.
> 
> I believe, Gavaskar would surpass this number. Most of my memory is from
> the 1971-80 period. 
> 
> Ashok Mankad		Sunil's buddy from Bombay, never really clicked.
> Sudhir Naik		Never clicked in the 1971 tour of England.
> Gopal Bose		2 tests

    I doubt if Bose ever palyed test cricket - perhaps, a couple of 4-day 
matches against srilanka !
> Ramnath Parkar		2 or 3 tests
> Farookh Engineer	Always fun to watch, usually outpaced Gavaskar
> Chetan Chauhan		Sunil's best batting partner for years.
> Abid Ali		The fearless all-rounder who could play at any position.
> Anshuman Gaikwad	Played anchor lots of times. 
> Dilip Vengsarkar	(I don't know how many tests did he open.)
> Eknath Solkar		When there was no other choice...
> Kirmani			I believe he has opened once !
> Ravi Shastri		Any comments ?
> 
> Can someone comment on Mohindar Amarnath ? Did he ever open ? How about
> Surinder Amarnath ? Do you remember who was his first batting partner in
> the famous 1971 West Indies series ? Was it Jayantilal or Mankad ?
> 
> Please complete the list ....
> 
> Deepak Dhamdhere
> deepak.dhamdhere@sun.com
From: 8934959@sunvax.sun.ac.za
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Boring @ Newlands
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:34:03 +0200
Organization: University of Stellenbosch


There is only one word to describe the Newlands test....BORING!

Sure purists may say that's cricket, but come on...32 runs in 2 hours...
or how about 50 runs in approx. 40 overs!
Jack Bannister says that if that statistic isn't some kind of record
it ought to be.

I can't recall a test series where the batting has been so slow...and
we are to believe that it is the dominance of the bowlers..PLEASE!
I rather believe it is a lack of positive attitude amongst the batsmen,
and a massive lack of positive captaincy from both captains. The SA
players tend to follow Wessels like sheep, as he is the only SA player
with test experience and hence we see him setting defensive field after 
defensive field....doesn't he ever attack!? Were it not for Donald, SA
would never have won the test at St George's Park and I hasten to add
that there were a number of extremely dubious umpiring decisions eg.
Tendulkar c.Richardson (off the pad) b Schulz.

Furthermore the South African batsmen displayed absolute incompetence
in the playing of spin, only Henry ever effectively used his feet against
spin, and on the Indian side Amre was the most effective in playing Henry.

In my opinion the innings of the series was Kapil Dev's century at St George's
He showed what can be done in under 150 balls, and his century came in a
fraction of the time that the other's in the series had. Furthermore he was
a pleasure to watch and he never played irresponsibly.

BTW the stats at the beginning of this posting relate to the 5th day and the
SA team. However both teams have batted extremely slowly over the entire
test at a rate of about 30 runs/hour ....by no means exciting cricket. The 
only excitement has come when wickets have fallen and I am sure that fans of 
the 5 day game across the board have been dissapointed by the absense of 
good batting.


James
                         --Save the Oaks
                           Screw the capacity!

--quot homines tot sententiae--








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From: jkleins@gwdgv1.gwdg.de
Subject: Re: Gooch Cocktail Party........
Reply-To: jkleins@gwdgv1.gwdg.de
Organization: GWDG Goettingen, F.R.Germany
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:49:52 GMT


In article <1ig00aINNfoi@hpsdl143.sdd.hp.com>, pad@sdd.hp.com (R. Padmanabhan) writes:
>In article <19506.2b4b0983@ecs.umass.edu> vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>>	How many batsmen did open the innings for England with Graham 
>>Gooch?  Who are they?  How many batsmen did open with Sunil Gavaskar?
>>Well, read this article (Thanks: Charles Randall, The Daily Telegraph).
>>
>>
>>======
>>
>>Well.  There were 15 batsmen accompanied Gooch to face the opening bowlers
>>of the world.  Thery are:
>>
>>01. Mike Brearley                        02. Geoff Boycott 
>>03. Chris Tavare                         04. Geoff Cook
>>05. Tim Robinson                         06. Mark Benson
>>07. Martyn Moxon                         08. Bill Athey
>>09. Chris Broad                          10. Tim Curtis
>>11. John Stephenson                      12. Wayne Larkins
>>13. Mike Atherton                        14. Hugh Morris
>>15. Alec Stewart
>>
>>Someone else may tell us who walked in with Gavaskar to open for India.
>>
>>======
>>
>>Vicky:
>>UMass, Jan 06
>
>
>
>  I can think of the following names. I am sure there are a few more.
>
>  Abid Ali  
>  Jayantilal 
>  Ashok Mankad 
>  Vengsarkar
>  Solkar
>  Engineer 
>  Gaekwad
>  Chauhan
>  M.Amarnath 
>  Srikanth 
>  Shastri
>  Pronab Roy
>  Arun Lal
>  Ghulam Parkar
>  Parthasarthy Sharma
>  Sudhir Naik
>
>
>  -  Paddy.
>
>

The name of Ramnadh Parker comes to my mind. I think he opened the
innings with Sunny in 1972-73 when the English team under Tony
Lewis visited India. On the other hand, I do not remember any 
instance when Ghulam Parker opened with Gavasker in the Tests.
Is it possible that the the two Parkers are confused for one
another ?

Swamy
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Subject: Re: Pak vs WI. Update ....
From: hossain@latcs1.lat.oz.au ( )
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:40:08 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <1993Jan9.012456.3695@latcs1.lat.oz.au> hossain@latcs1.lat.oz.au ( ) writes:
>
>Pak 72 all out (23.4 overs)
     ^^
should be 71
>
>Batting (not in order)
>======================
>Miandad 0
>Inzamum 0
>Salim   8
>Anwar   2
>Saeed   1
>Akram  19
>Latif  22 n.o.
>Waqar   0
>Mushtaq 2
>Aaqib   4 
>Extras 14
>
>Bowling
>=======
>Ambrose 3/22 (??)
>Bishop 5/25
>Benjamin 2/16

These figures may not be 100% correct
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From: a-makag@microsoft.com (Makarand Gadre)
Subject: Expert Comment on Sandeep Patil
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:34:54 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

Here is another famous one.

Sandeep Patil scored a fantastic century against England when he
whacked Bob Willis for 6 boundaries in one over.

After the over ended, the commentator asked the experts commentator :

"What do you think of that ?"

And the answer was : "Well, It reminds me of me."

Can anyone remember who said that ?

- Makarand Gadre
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From: shamim@bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi)
Subject: Re: bowling speed of Waqar and Wasim
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown, NJ
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 20:08:26 GMT

In article <C0EBno.1CD@acsu.buffalo.edu>, sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Muhunthan Sivapragasam) writes:
> 
> 	135 kmph = 84 mph. Jeff Thomson was recorded 99, and 91 mph
> before 75, and 79 worldcups reespectively. in 1975 there were atleast
> 5-6 bowlers bowling faster than 90 mph ( including Lillee, Holding, Roberts ).
> 
> 	So if Waqar bowls at 135 - 140 kmph that is quite slow for one
> of the fastest bowlers in the world today -- any comments ?
> -- 
> 						S. Muhunthan,
> 

These speeds have nothing to do with the fastest that Waqar can bowl,
or Wasim for that matter. Given that W&W were defending a modest total
of 127 they would have settled on a speed fast enough to achieve late
swing but not so fast as to lose control and concede extras.
Controlled fast swing bowling and well within their limits because
they knew thay had to bowl for about two hours unchanged to win the
game. I seriously doubt, sitting in my armchair 10K miles away, that
they were trying to bowl as fast they possibly can.

Could some kind soul describe more of the action? What was the ball doing?
What were the tactics? Were batsmen playing late? Late swing?


	--SAN
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From: karnik@cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: A few reports/rumours from India
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:31:12 GMT

In <1993Jan9.061459.8362@samba.oit.unc.edu> Sanjay.Naik@launchpad.unc.edu (Sanjay Naik) writes:

>	Isn't is pathetic that we have to ask our opening bowler to open our
>batting too. Proof of how bad our batting is. In the old days we used to have
>guys like Abid Ali and Sunny doing both jobs, the only difference being
>that we had spin wizards from heaven coming on later. Now, ...... :(

	Yessir, it's time to bring in the specialist openers. Probably the
most promising prospect right now is Bhave, and he is on the fringe, having
been selected for the Board Pres. XI against England. Surely, since this is
a home series after a looooong time, some experimentation with the batting
is to be expected.


>	I hope that we don't pick Srikkanth again. He's never had a great
>test record and a century against Goa is irrelevant. He got onto the Oz
>tour partly because he scored some double ton against a weak opposn. and the
>South selectors really pushed for his selection. His performances in Oz were
>disappointing. Ofcourse Srikkanth was a tremendously entertaining batsman and

	Agreed. Srikkanth is a no-no as far as Tests are concerned.
But, to repeat, in a home series, it isn't inconceivable that the
selectors will experiment with him as ODI opener. Personally, I think
it's unlikely, but if he keeps making runs, who knows? Also, his ODI
performance in Australia was quite impressive.


>much loved by the Indian supporters because of his big hitting just like
>Kapil. These days all you have to do to become popular with The Indian fans
>is to strike a couple of big blows every now and again and fans will love
>you for evermore, even if you're a pretty ordinary player. Look at Sidhu, 
>I think Neeran Karnik dreams about him at night. Only kidding, Neeran :)

	Aaaargh! No, no, please, not even in jest :-> Again, Sidhu is
in the Board Pres. side playing England, so this may be his chance to
get back. The likelihood of Sidhu making a comeback is IMHO higher than
that of Srikkanth.  Sidhu still has a few years left in him, but then,
he's not been doing anything extraordinary in the Ranji games.... I
would go for Bhave as the opener for Tests with Shastri, and with
Jadeja/Raman for ODIs. He is in good form, and we desperately need a
solid opener.....


	More about domestic performers in another post....


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From: sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Muhunthan Sivapragasam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: WI vs Pak result
Date: 9 Jan 93 03:28:14 GMT
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Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci
Originator: sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU


	WI won the match by 9 wickets in the last over before lunch
when Richardson hit Mushtaq into the crowd for a six. First time
in 750+ onedays result was obtained before lunch. bishop man of
the match.

	tomorrow Australia VS WIndies, the result of which is
irrelevant since Australia, and West Indies have qualified for
the finals.

-- 
						S. Muhunthan,

	"The shortest distance between two people is a smile"
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