HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: The Turkish intervention was too late at least for some of the victims.
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:05:41 GMT





<BtzD8x.Is6@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

 >Your argument sucks.

"tamtam" is indeed something. The Greeks started massacring the 
Turkish population on Cyprus in 1974. How do we account for this 
phenomenon? Amnesia? In 1974, Turkiye stepped into Cyprus to preserve 
the lives of the Turkish population there. This is nothing but a 
simple historical fact. Unfortunately, the intervention was too late 
at least for some of the victims. Mass graves containing numerous 
bodies of women and children already showed what fate had been 
planned for a peaceful minority.

Any folly that may be said to exist in the general picture rests 
with Athens. In 1974, it was the despotic colonels of the junta 
there who sponsored EOKA's belligerence.  They lost in Cyprus and 
eventually they lost at home also.

The present Greek government is trying to tyrannize the
Turkish population in western Thrace by forbidding it
its ethnic and religious rights, which were established
through international treaties. One might be better
advised to remember that misadventures against Turkiye
do not serve Greece well.

An offer of membership in the European Common Market
as bait for concessions that may doom the Turks in
Cyprus to extinction is not a viable course for Greece
or her friends.

Neither Turkish lives nor Turkish honor has been placed
on the bidding block to be sold for commercial gain.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: What kind of people are 'Mutlu'? Liars? Crooks? Morons?
Date: 25 Aug 92 10:12:03 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu - Notorious pornographer) writes:


><1992Aug24.104248.3761@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
>dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)

>>han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Que???

>Ever seen a 'Morning the Crook?' Just watch.

Do try and keep up with the times dear boy. While I appreciate it may be        
somewhat difficult for you living, as you do, 70 years in the past it would help
if you maybe tried to follow more recent well-publicised events. MNS went bust 2
weeks ago disconnecting all their phone lines. Thus michigan.com no longer      
exists, except for the 'alternate universe' you post from. Do try and read the  
the newsgroups pertaining to your service provider from time to time, you might 
even pick up one of the cheap modems John Palmer is currently selling off.      

Thus you are a compulsive and self-admitted lunatic (repeatedly so)             


>Again, any sources for this marvelous flight of imagination, 'Morning
>the Crook?' Still anxiously awaiting...

No problem 'Mutlu the Porn-Peddler', you got it.

>>*From: han@sarp.aic.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
>>*Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
>>*Subject: 'Analysts International Corporation' Goes Into Space? Expose'.
>>*Message-ID: <9110221435.AA03723@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>
>>*Date: 22 Oct 91 14:35:21 GMT
>>*Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU
>>*Lines: 108

>Just love it. 'sarp.aic.com' is still 'mutlu.' See you are a compulsive 
>liar and a self-admitted crook. 

See, you are a self-admitted loon and registered 'baw-heid'

>Source: "Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922" by A. Rawlinson,

Ah!! This would be Bart 'Simpson' Rawlinson's boy you claimed you 'teach' right?


Anyway, enough of your idle chatter in suave tones, here's a request from me for
some info from you, on a film you've seen.

Some time ago you commented on a film called something like 'The Forgotten
Prisoner' which was shown in the US on TV, CNN maybe, and posted what appeared,
for you at any rate, a fairly well reasoned critique of this film. I believe 
this film has now been released on video in the UK. Can you confirm the title
and re-iterate your comments on it? If this turns out to be the same film,
should I rent it? 
Go to it Hasan, you're currently out of my kill file but please try and keep 
the cross-posting down to something a bit more rational, SCE is my current 
'home' group, or e-mail me if you like.

Anxiously awaitin'

Dave
-- 
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From: armagan@sassafras (Armagan Ozdinc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Haberler
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:15:27 GMT
Reply-To: armagan@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems

27 Agustos 1992

 - Cumhurbaskani Turgut Ozal guneydogu olaylarina el koydu. Anayasanin
kendisine verdigi yetkiye dayanarak Milli Guvenlik Kurulunu ve hukumeti
kendi baskanligi altinda Diyarbakir'da olaganustu toplantiya cagirdiktan
hemen sonra Diyarbakir'a giden Ozal, oradan da bir helikoptere binerek
Sirnak'i havadan inceledi. Diyarbakir'daki olaganustu toplanti karari
Ankara'da sok etkisi yaratti. Baskent Ankara'nin Kurt ayrilikcilarin
Turk topraklari uzerinde kurmak istedikleri bir Kurt devletinin bassehri
olarak gordukleri Diyarbakir'a gecici olarak tasinmasi ile Ozal'in
PKK'ya etkili bir mesaj yollamayi amacladigi seklinde yorumlandi.
MGK ve bakanlar kurulu boylece TC tarihinde ilk defa guneydogu'da
toplanmis olacak.
 - Sirnak'ta gecen hafta meydana gelen catismalar sonucu halkin kuzey
illerine dogru goce basladigi bildiriliyor. Ayrica Sirnak'ta gorevli
bulunan kamu gorevlilerinin es ve cocuklari da Sirnak'tan tahliye
edildi. Sirnak'ta hali hazirda asker, polis, ve sivil kamu gorevlilerinden
baska kimsenin kalmadigi bildiriliyor.

28 Agustos 1992
 
 - Cumhurbaskani Turgut Ozal'in baskanliginda Diyarbakir'da toplanan
MGK guneydogu olaylari ile ilgili olarak sert kararlar aldi. Bu kararlarin 
daha sonra Diyarbakir'da toplanacak bakanlar kuruluna bildirilmesi de
kararlastirildi. MGK tarafindan kamuoyuna yapilan aciklamada, teror
orgutlerinin dagda, yurt icinde ve yurt disinda amansiz olarak takip
edilecegi ve goruldugu her yerde hemen imha edilecegini, Sirnak'in
ise yeniden yasanilabilir bir yer haline en kisa zamanda getirelecegi
bildirildi. Siyasi cevreler MGK'da alinan kararlari, Turkiye'nin
bugune kadar Israil'in FKO'ye karsi uyguladigi yontemlerin aynisini
uygulama karari olarak yorumlarken, bunun PKK lideri Abdullah Ocalan
dahil orgut ust kadrolarinin yurt disindaki istihbarat orgut elemanlari
vasitasi ile takip edilip olu veya canli olarak ele gecirilmeye
calisilacagi anlamina geldigi bildiriliyor. Bugune kadar sinir otesi
harekatlerini sadece Irak'in kuzey topraklari ile sinirli tutan Turkiye'nin
son MGK karalarindan sonra Bekaa vadisi basta olmak uzere diger
ulkelerde bulunan kamplara da hava saldirisina gecmesi bekleniyor.
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: 'Woll' Hit The Wall: 'Borian' On The Genocide Of The Turkish People.
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:46:54 GMT






<1992Aug17.222841.16131@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
bv652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ilan Uri Woll)

>10. Fixing the Tyson rape Case
>9.  Secretly being the arch-villain Joker

So you put all your money into drugs, 'Woll.'

 According to Borian:[1]

"With the start of the War, Armenian intellectuals joined the ranks of the
 imperialist bourgeoisie of Tsarist Russia. Tsarist doctrines were accepted
 as the programme of the Dashnaktsutiun which assimilated the former's
 chauvinistic and emotional characteristics...They were in fact being used 
 as instruments by imperialist Russia. In the eyes of Russia, the activities 
 of the Dashnaktsutiun served the purpose of preparing world opinion for
 the Russian invasion of Turkish Armenia. Indeed there were no intention on 
 the part of Tsarist Russia to set up an autonomous Armenian state, nor was
 the international situation suitable for such a development. It was 
 impossible not to see that the Party which was ostensibly striving for
 the independence of the Armenians was, in fact, only serving Russia's aim
 of occupying Armenia."

[1] B. A. Borian, "Armenia, International Diplomacy and the USSR," 1928,
    p. 32.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Monday, 24 Aug 1992 16:08:10 TUR
From: <E55940@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: vvv

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From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: That the conditions of ethnic Turks are deplorable.
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:52:13 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

>In separate interview with The Turkish Times, Dr. Sadik Ahmet stated
>that the conditions of ethnic Turks are deplorable and in the eyes of
>Greek laws, ethnic Greeks are more equal than ethnic Turks. As an example,
>he said there are about 20,000 telephone subscribers in Selanik (Thessaloniki)
                         ^^^^^^
>and only about 800 of them are Turks. That is not because Turks do not
>want to have telephone services at their home and businesses. 

Probably, someone made a mistake about this number. It is ridicilus to
say that there are only 20000 phones in Salonica (pop. 500000, at least).
Are you sure he is not talking about another town? 

> He said
>that Greek government changed the election law just to keep him out
>of the parliament as an independent representative and they stated
>this fact openly to him. While there is no minimum qualification
>requirement for parties in terms of receiving at least 3% of the votes,
>they imposed this requirement for the independent parties, including
>the Turkish candidates.

Either Mr. Sadik is lying or the reporter (or you) got it wrong. The
current law requires this limit for every party. For example, it is
going to affect the enviromentalist party. After all, what an independent
party means? Are there dependent parties? Sorry, it just doesn't make sense.
Just for the record, the government party among the arguments for this
limit included that a similar limit (5%) exists in Germany. 
		
					 Bye,
					Yannis.

ps: If you want my opinion I don't agree with this law but again I really
    don't care.
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,news.admin
Subject: Re: Steve Simmons (Hela.Iti)
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:29:47 GMT





<scs.714924985@hela.iti.org>
scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)

>appears that Mutlu has used anadolu.michigan.com's name in forged
>postings thru the bsd NNTP server.  The postings are apparently
>actually from him, but site is forged.  These forgeries have had a

This is another example of hypocrisy posted by hypocrites. That
is the result of watching 'Mid-Morning/Denninger Express' too much, 
'Simmons.' This is one theory that you 'wieneramus' keep throwing out 
of your hat without having ever presented a shred of evidence to back 
it up. By whom and when was this forgery (anadolu.michigan.com) made? 
To whom specifically? When and by whom was it rejected? How about also 
typing in a few lines of the relevant passages. Until further notice, 
the 'forgery' you are refering to is a blatant lie. It has never existed 
in the real world and never will. Typical 'hela iti.' 


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: 'Tsi*'s Inability To Distinguish Between 'Lausanne' and 'Montreux.'
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:03:17 GMT





<1992Aug27.192139.8237@informix.com>
rika@informix.com (Rika Tsitsinia)

>	Last time after a similar exchange Mr Mutlu had insisted that
>    Greece has no right to militarize the Dodekanese islands eccording
>    to the Lausanne treaty. I replied via net that the Lausanne treaty

And the best evidence you can find is second hand hearsay from an unnamed 
source. Your inability to distinguish between 'Lausanne' and 'Montreux'
is incredible. You 'palikaryas' make me laugh. The Dodocanese islands 
in the Aegean Sea must be demilitarized in accordance with the Montreux 
Treaty (1936). Flouting this international accord, Greece has built 
extensive military air bases in these islands in an act of open aggression 
towards Turkiye.

In addition, the people of Turkiye know quite well that Greece and the 
Greek Cypriots will never abandon the idea of hellenizing Cyprus and will 
remain eternally hopeful of uniting it with Greece, someday, whatever the 
cost to the parties involved. The history speaks for itself. Greece was 
the sole perpetrator of invasion on that island when it sent its troops 
on July 15, 1974 in an attempt to topple the legitimate government of 
Archibishop Makarios.

The release of Nikos Sampson, a member of EOKA [National Organization
of Cypriot Fighters] and a convicted terrorist, shows that the
'enosis' mentality continues to survive in Greece. One should not
forget that Sampson dedicated his life to annihilating the Turks
in Cyprus, committed murder to achieve this goal, and tried to
destroy the island's independence by annexing it to Greece. Of
course, the Greek governments will have to bear the consequences 
for this irresponsible conduct.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: Kind request to Hasan Mutlu and others of his kind
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:30:37 GMT





<muoPPB3w165w@valpso.hanse.de>
tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)

>This is MY private request to Hasan Mutlu and all others of his kind :
>PLEASE DON'T TRY TO DEFEND OUR (JEWISH) CAUSE. WE CAN DO IT MUCH BETTER SINCE
>WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU OUR LONG HISTORY.  You (and some others) pretend to 

Let us examine it - shall we? For instance, did you know that during World 
War II Armenians were carried away with the German might and cringing and 
fawning over the Nazis? In that zeal, the Armenian publication in Germany, 
Hairenik, carried statements as follows:[1]

"Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews)
 when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it 
 becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon
 method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical
 operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing." 

Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews -
extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San
Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published
in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian.

 "...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities
  against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the 
  murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian 
  neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish 
  and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and
  see the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors...
  Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise 
  to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would 
  help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of
  the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian!
  I don't need your bias."  

  Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.

[1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian
    Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:
    June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.

Did you?

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Kill fill update needed
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<Sep02.162542.80640@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:06:48

Kindly spell Mutlu's name correctly.  Otherwise, my Kill file doesn't
eliminate the topic.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: varnavas@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (varnavas constantine)
Subject: Re: 'Tsi*'s Inability To Distinguish Between 'Lausanne' and 'Montreux.'
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:59:58 GMT

sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

><Btuwnr.DHH@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>varnavas@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (varnavas constantine)

>>>And the best evidence you can find is second hand hearsay from an unnamed 
>>>source. Your inability to distinguish between 'Lausanne' and 'Montreux'
>>>is incredible. You 'palikaryas' make me laugh. The Dodocanese islands 
>>>in the Aegean Sea must be demilitarized in accordance with the Montreux 
>>>Treaty (1936). Flouting this international accord, Greece has built 
>>>extensive military air bases in these islands in an act of open aggression 
>>>towards Turkiye.

>>(I have deleted some of the groups from the newsgroups line to reduce the
>>number of people that have to suffer from Mutlu's nonsence)
>                                                   ^^^^^^^^

>The theory is that the hollering kills the spirit of the "virvir."
>And according to the scholars, it always works.


>Serdar Argic

I have four questions for you:

1)  Why did you so passionately respond to my comment about Mutlu's nosnsence?
Why were you insulted?  Unless of course you are the same person.  All evidence
(style, sources, number of postings per day, even identical postings with the
original "Master" of the Turkish propapaganda machine) point to this direction.

2)  Why did you delete the substance of my answer, which rebattled your point
about the Montreux treaty?  Instead you left your original posting, according
to the theory that if a lie is repeated enough times people will believe it.  If
you recall, I pointed out that the Montreux treaty (1936) could not have
included the Dodecanese islands because at that time they were under Italian
control.

3)  What's the purpose of including a passage about mistreatment of Jews by
Greeks when the original subject was the Montreux treaty?  By the way, the
author, Stanford J. Shaw, has been proved wrong in this network many times.

4)  Why do you post insults which make no sence, such as:
' The theory is that the hollering kills the spirit of the "virvir." '?
What are you trying to accomplish?
-- 
Constantinos Varnavas
University of Illinois
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: 'Vizzy The Forger' Reveals His Real Identity.
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:28:01 GMT






<1992Aug27.173639.5118@physics.ucla.edu>
viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu (Sergei Viznyuk)

>  Since you have already "revealed" me as a KGB people, may I ask
>you to "reveal" who else is in my Co ?

I don't need to add anything here. Well, I take that back.

Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian
armies in 1914, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume
II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."
(London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316.

"In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city 
 of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, 
 closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan 
 on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized 
 and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during 
 the next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the
 southern side of the lake."


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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