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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 92 22:32:25 EDT
From:         "Wayne A. Meeks" <WMEEKS@YALEVM>
Subject:      good news / bad news
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First, in the "there ain't no justice" category: a friend who shall be
nameless, after a couple of years using a "borrowed" copy of NB 3.0, was moved
by conscience or whatever to order 4.0.  He was told there would be a delay of
some weeks "because of the backlog of upgrade orders."  Three days later he
received his copy.

The good news?  This person, who knows even less about computers than I do,
installed the program with no difficulty whatever, made one phone call to
NBI's 800 number to ask about something he didn't understand, received an
answer without waiting, and is happily typing away with no problems.

His location, by the way, is about 125 miles further from NYC than mine.

Moral?  Beats me, but someone must have a Talmudic quotation to fit.
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 11:11:43 -0400
From:         "Cora A. Diamond" <cad2m@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      zipsplit
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ZIPSPLIT is in ZIPSPL12.ZIP, which is in the COMPRESS subdirectory of
MSDOS in the Simtel mirrors.

Tony Woozley
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 92 19:40:11 IST
From:         Michael Dick <DICK@SIENA>
Subject:      Re: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid
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I'm interested to see whether I shall receive a copy of NB, Lingua, etc. I had
ordered it, was a beta tester, and begged them desperately for a copy in late
August and said I would pay for Federal Express ($15) which I did and they did.
But I see that several of my files are already older (August 22) than the
"release version" so did I receive a final Beta Copy or the Omega Edition? Time
will tell. Now I hope they can work on my pet project: a non-proportional HP
Lingua type; I had hoped they would come sine barba to San Francisco so that I
could chain myself to the NBI desk until they created such a type, but alas.

I know it's heresy, but I saw a colleague installing WP 5.1 on our new HP III
and was impressed that you can do such elegant boxes (with proportional
spacing) and printing over the shadow grey hatching, sigh.
        Michael Dick
        DICK@SIENA (Does anybody else have a phone capability on the VAX so
their students can interrupt them at any time, like now?)
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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 92 21:23:05 -0400
From:         Michael A Dennis <md11@CRUX2.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject: Re: basic info.
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As someone who has not yet received NB$ [oops, 4] I was curious about the
rumors recently mentioned that NBI was going out of businees [sorry for the
typos].  Is this anything more than a rumor?  Save for the tireless Rebecca,
does anyone actually have a source about NBI?  I would also be curious is if
anyone on this list is a betatester for Signature for Windows.  Thanks.

Michael A. Dennis
Science and Technology Studies
Cornell University
m-dennis@cornell.edu
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 11:45:03 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      NB4 and 4DOS
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Mateen Elass writes:

> Unfortunately, the further bad news is that NB4 Lingua will not
> recognize the 4DOS command.com at all, and refuses to shell out to DOS
> if one attempts to replace the dos command.com with the 4DOS
> equivalent after installation.

and Michael Ossar writes:

> M. A. Elass's posting was very disturbing.  Can anyone who has
> received nb4 or was one of the beta testers report on whether the
> non-Lingua vesion of nb4 is compatible with 4dos?

I have had no problems using any of NB 4.0's beta's with 4DOS.  In
fact it works better than NB 3.1 with 4DOS, since it uses the COMSPEC
setting and you don't have to go through contortions renaming 4DOS.COM
and deciding which directory it needs to be in.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 08:36:29 EDT
From:         Buford Norman <N290024@UNIVSCVM>
Subject:      installing 4.0
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I found nb 4.0 waiting for me when I returned from a conference today, with
files dated as late as 9/22 (install.exe) and 9/23 (nb_main.nb).  However,
there was nothing about how to install it.  Do I simply make a nb4 subdirectory
and switch to it and type a:install?  switch to a: and type install?  Or will
I get in trouble trying to do it without documentation, if indeed such
documentation exists?
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:17:02 BST
From:         M.A.Elass@DURHAM.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: nb4 and 4dos
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Re:

>
> The beta version of Lingua that I used was fully compatible with 4dos in its
> *unmodified* form. That is, as 4dos.com, rather than a renamed command.com.
> Robert Lavenda
> lavenda@msus1

Let me apologize profusely to the list for the false alarm about NB4 not
working with 4dos.  I discovered to my embarrassment that I had not included
the appropriate path statement in my autoexec.bat file and so apparently NB4
did not know where to look in attempting to shell out to 4dos.

As I have used NB4 now for a week, I am tremendously impressed with its ease
of use, and particularly with how easily one can customize the program from
the menu itself.  Also, I have had occasion to use the outlining feature
(I never tried it on 3.1) and am delighted with the results.  Things that I
have thought might have been bugs have turned out on further exploration to be
due to my own lack of understanding of the complexity of the program (I am
greatly looking forward to full documentation).  At the moment all I have is
a very handy but limited 138 pg. 'quick reference guide' pamphlet.

I, for one, am one happy camper with the update, and look forward to much
writing with this powerful tool.

Regards,

Mateen Elass (m.a.elass@uk.ac.durham)
Dept of Theology, Univ. of Durham
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 16:55:15 EDT
From:         Tom Schlesinger <tos@OZ.PLYMOUTH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements (was: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid)
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> > Using NB4 under DOS 5.0, I find that it's possible to
> > use the loadhigh command when loading NB ("lh nb" instead
> > of plain "nb" at the DOS command line) and move about
> > 11K into upper memory.

As soon as I saw this, I tried it.  It worked without problems (on NB4. Beta)
though I can't say, of course, that I've tried every possible Lingua routine.
I did a MEM /C in DOS and found that even slightly more than the 11K noted
above was shown as an NB item of some sort in upper memory.  I've changed the
batch file I use to load NB 4.0, and have re-loaded it several times since I
did that.
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Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements
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              928:36 am

>
> > But perhaps you can help then with a problem which seems to be related
> > to this last point. My 3.0 was recently upgraded to 3.1. Now, when I
> > shell out to dos with Shift+Esc (+command) I get an error message
> > ("COMMAND search directory bad", or something like - the Manual is
> > irritatingly coy about error messages) and I am told there's "no
> > path".  If I exit and try again with dos (+/c [command]) then it all
> > works, and the full path from autoexec.bat is reported. This did not
> > happen under 3.0, and our local Person Who Knows confesses to being
> > puzzled by this. It is actually quite seriously annoying.
>
> I'm not entirely sure what is happening.  I have two suggestions you
> might try, though.  First, do *not* use loadhigh--you won't derive any
> substantial benefit from it with NB 3.1 anyway (I thought you were
> using the new program).  Second, make sure that you have a copy of
> COMMAND.COM in your NB program directory just in case the editor
> program loses its bearings temporarily.  This last measure is no
> longer necessary with NB 4.0, but I found that it solved several
> problems with NB 3.1.
>

Thanks, Paul. I'll give it a whirl. It makes a sort of sense to me,
what you are saying; p. G1-3 of the NB Manual says that this error
message appears when /c is omitted - a switch related to command.com's
availabilty. When I use the command line I type it in without
thinking, but when I use SHIFT+Esc I omit this because in the past it
was not needed. But this morning, after seeing that bit in the Manual,
I tried Shift+Esc[/c nnnnn] and it worked though it looked odd.

The conclusion I reach is this: when I was upgraded to 3.1, whatever it
is that makes the system assume /c when using Shift+Esc was in some
way written out and the switch must now be provided explicitly.

You've been generous with your time, so I hesitate to ask you if you
know off the top of your head what to correct. It's probably deeper
than the mere keyboard driver. If shoving a copy of command.com into
\nb3 does the trick then it's not worth bothering others about anyway,
though it's a new problem which I thought was solved.

I remember that one had to have command.com in every subdirectory with
NB v. 1. I wonder how many others, like me, recall those days.... do
you remember floppies made of bakelite, and starting up your PC on a
cold morning with a box of matches and a little bottle of methylated
spirits - and what used to happen when the steam pressure dropped? Ah,
those were the days.....

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Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 21:29:00 EDT
From:         ITF@PSUVM
Subject:      Re: error messages when printing with NB 4.0 and HP IIIP
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o.k.  Are there any changes in format, or page length at all in your text?
Also, what font are you working with?  Finnaly, how long is the entire
document?

Allen
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 09:04:00 EST
From:         "James Woolley, Lafayette College" <WOOLLEYJ@LAFAYETT>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements (was: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid)
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Using NB4 under DOS 5.0, I find that it's possible to
use the loadhigh command when loading NB ("lh nb" instead
of plain "nb" at the DOS command line) and move about
11K into upper memory.

James
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 92 17:35:23 EDT
From:         J.BERG@ACAD.SUFFOLK.EDU
Subject:      Re: Johnny Appleseed
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Johnny Appleseed is OK, but what's all this talk about icons?  Isn't
that something you do on Macs?

John Berg
j.berg@acad.suffolk.edu

(sorry, I guess I'm giddy from holding my breath while I wait for 4.0)
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 92 11:52:26 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: Bibliographic programs for NotaBene users
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              5 Oct 92 16:09:00 MET from <VANDIJK@ALF.LET.UVA.NL>

Re: Van Dijk's utilities:

Because Tel Aviv University premises will be closed until the
end of the holiday of Sukkot (tabernacles), 20.10.92, I won't
be able to handle Van Dijk's utilities before that date.
I am sorry for the delay.

Itamar E-Z
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From:         GLB0000 <GLB@UNB.CA>
Subject:      Re: NB4 and outlines
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> I'm running the Beta of NB4 and don't have full documentation, but as far as
> I'm able to tell -- as a constant routine user of the outlining in NB3.1 -- th
> only difference is that while NB3 required using ALT + (1-9) to get up and dow
> the levels of the outline, in NB4 a mere carriage return provides another item
> at the same level, while a <CR> with a Plus or Minus, brings forth the next
> higher or lower level in the outline.  I'm not quite sure I like the NB4 syste
> any better... it seems slightly slower and can be confusing.  The old ALT +
> (1-9) was completely positive and instantaneous.  The new <CR> with a Plus or
> Minus always produces the current level first, then erases that and brings on
> the desired one.

If this is the case, then it is a move toward dealing with the
irritations that I found in the 3.1 outliner.  But I doubt if I would
find it sufficient.  My basic objections to the 3.1 version were 1)
the fact that portions of your outline could mysteriously disappear
if you collapsed it and and then reexpanded the outline and 2)
the manner in which the program handles levels in its outline structure.
When I outline something, I want to be able to easily reorganize
the structure of the outline because I don't know what the final
structure is going to look like when I begin.  Since the NB outliner
works by inserting a code which identifies the specific level in
the outline structure that is associated with the particular segment
of text, you must modify that code assignment for each text segment
that you want to move to another level.  This is in stark contrast to
the outliner that I use, Grandview, which lets you reorganize text
by holding down the Shift key and using the arrow keys to shift the
location of the text in the outline structure. In addition, any
text associated with subheadings below the heading that is being
moved are automatically carried along.  Thus, while the above mentioned
new feature may or may not make it easier to enter text at the
level that you want (depending upon your working style), it does
nothing to facilitate easier REORGANIZATION of text that has already
been entered.

On the positive side, it doesn't sound like there is any wonderful
new feature in the outliner that I simply can't live without and,
hence, no reason to be upset that I am still waiting for my copy
of version 4.

Gary Bowden
Sociology, University of New Brunswick
glb@unb.ca
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Can anyone tell me (us?) the commands used in DOS 5 to load all this
into high memory?

Thanks,

Bob Strauss
strauss@uncavx.unca.edu
or strauss@unca.bitnet
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 13:23:40 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Thesaurus in 4.0/lingua; AU in 4.0/lingua
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(1) The problem with the thesaurus reported a few days ago
on this list by Rina Drory (referring to version 3.0 & 3.1)
repeats in 4.0/lingua. Has anybody received "the right thesaurus",
i.e., one where the item on which the cursor stands does not
become invisible?

(2) If you work with 'automatic uppercase on' (AU) in Hebrew,
you get the wrong letters; obviously, NB capitalizes these
letters, which is nice for the accented counterparts, but
desastrous for Hebrew (you get a Mem when you type He, Shin
when you type Pe, Tav when you type Bet, etc.). I know that
many English speaking users are so used to using the Shift
key that they do not bother about AU; but for me AU has been
a great help, since the idea of a capital letter is still
not in my blood, in spite of the many years I've been using
Roman alphabet languages. If anybody is on speaking terms
with NBI, could this be reported as a bug? [AU should
simply become inoperative in Hebrew mode].

Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 92 17:07:58 BST
From:         M.A.Elass@DURHAM.AC.UK
Subject:      glitches in nb4
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In the last week I've encountered one aggravating problem between nb4 and my
printer (Panasonic KXP-1124 -- dot matrix), plus some minor glitches in
other areas.  Perhaps others could be of some help.

My major problem is this: after successfully printing out a number of small
documents with nblingua, now suddenly nb freezes after I type in the print
command and the program attempts to read the various elq.prn files.  Sometimes
flashing gibberish appears about halfway down the screen, other times the key-
board just locks up.  If I don't touch any keys except Shft-Ctl-Alt-Esc, then
I can quit the program; if I do, then I have reboot.  I've tried using the
menu system, printing to disk, switching printer ports, but no luck.  I did
discover that the problem occurred when I executed the print command and the
printer was not ready -- so the program gave me a printer error message.  But
after that, it has refused to print anything.  I have already reinstalled
everything on another subdirectory from which everything worked fine -- until
I again attempted to print when the printer was not ready -- same result. I
am not willing to reinstall nb4 every time I forget to check the printer first
to make sure it is ready -- life's too short.  Oh, one other oddity... since
this printing mishap, the mailmerge menu command also doesn't work -- it
either causes the keyboard to freeze or sends the printer crazy: it prints the
words ld nb2.hlp and then lots of spaces and z's.  Does anyone know what is
going on?

A few minor glitches with my issue of the program. The minus key no longer
copies blocked text even though the status line tells me it has -- when I
attempt to copy it with ctl-gray+ nothing happens.

When using the outline function, I have found results unstable when trying to
start a new line either with a Hebrew word or with a change in mode to bold,
italic, etc..  Sometimes the program will respond as I wish; other times it
will take ctrl+(any number) as a command to switch the line to a different
level in the outline (which I take it was what was supposed to happen in 3.1.
The problem goes away if I type a space first before issuing the command for
Hebrew or bold characters, etc., but is there any other way around this?

Thank you for your patience in wading through all this.  I hope I have
explained things clearly.  I still love this program -- but I will love it
even more when I can print out my documents without fear of freezing the
system once again.

By the way, is the sun shining anywhere in the world?  We've had almost 2
straight weeks of rain, and I'm clinging to the hope that Sol is still in
the heavens and will once again shine on soggy Durham, England.

Cheers,

Mateen Elass (m.a.elass@uk.ac.durham)
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Subject: Re: Johnny Appleseed
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>
> Do people not educated in US primary schools not know who
> Johnny Appleseed is?
> --
> Robert Braham   |   Graduate School of the City University of New York
>
   Why in the world would/should they?  Having lived in this country from age
15 (1940), I've often come across the name, but never got curious enough to
look it up.  I did just now, and find he's a rather minor icon of American folk
culture.  I know the Apple... exchange is a light-hearted diversion, and
don't mean to turn it to the ponderous or tedious, but when our universalist
assumptions emerge I can't resist rising to the bait.
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From:         "James Woolley, Lafayette College" <WOOLLEYJ@LAFAYETT>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements
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Mervyn--you might try running your batch file again. The symptoms
you report sound characteristic of what can happen when
you modify a batch file (nb.bat) while it's being used. (Forgive
me if I've misunderstood your report.)

James
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 15:08:39 EST
From:         Dorothy Day <DAY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements


>The idea of loading NB.COM high for NB 4 is most interesting.  What about NB
>3?  Does it work the same way?  Could I do "lh nb" with 3.1 and save 11K?
=============

The problem with trying to load NB3.x high is that, unlike NB 2 and
NB 4, NB3 does not use a "loader" (NB.COM). You would be trying to
load the whole huge NB.EXE into a smaller memory block that you
probably also use for other things. I don't know the reason for
bringing back NB.COM for NB 4, but this seems to be one advantage.

Dorothy Day, Indiana University
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 17:39:11 IST
From:         "J-P Takala, University of Helsinki, Sociology" <JTAKALA@FINUHA>
Subject:      Re: nb4 and 4dos
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I'm using 4dos (ver 4.0) and a non-Lingua NB4.  I had no problems
installing.  I've had several problems with NB4 but none seems to
relate to 4dos.  (I checked the most annoying ones by booting
up my machine with the COMMAND.COM of DOS 5.0 and the problems
remained the same)

BTW, unlike some other users of 4dos, I have not renamed 4DOS.COM
to COMMAND.COM.  I just write DO 4DOS instead of DOS on the
command/action line when shelling out from NB.  This way there
is less risk of confusion and I don't mind the few extra
keystrokes to achieve it. (Could assign that to a key, but I
seldom do shell out from NB, but use another Desqview window
for those tasks, instead)

J-P Takala
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:38:00 EST
From:         Rob Rittenhouse <RITTENHO@FAUVAX>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements (was: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid)
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You should blame Intel for the 8086, IBM and Intel for the memory architecture
which generally limits one to 640K (WHY was the A segment reserved for video)
and the computer market (us) for not moving more rapidly to a new OS.
Windows, OS/2, and UNIX are not as limited as DOS. In them one could have
1 Meg of program and 7 Meg of files on a 8 Meg system. Although, actually,
one would probably end up with 8 Meg of program! Not to mention 8 Meg of
Operating System!

Rob Rittenhouse
Internet: RITTENHO@ACC.FAU.EDU
Bitnet:   RITTENHO@FAUVAX
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