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From: ez000281@othello.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Human rights in the USA.
Keywords: USA
Date: 10 Jan 93 05:18:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Enrique Cortes-Rello writes:

>>
>> Well Julio if your right, then our policy towards keeping the Haitians out
>> is entirely justified.  There simply economic refugees who should stay in
>> Haiti and pick a number like everyone else.  We open our doors to political
>> refugees who are fleeing persecution for their political views, we don't 
>> welcom
>> people who wan't to come here simply to make a buck.  I hopee your wrong
   **************************************************
>             like Edelmiro? :) :)

No Enrique, you are totally mistaken, you should have written "like myself" 
for as you know Puerto Ricans are not inmigrants in this country and we don't 
have to seek for any political assylum or anything esle.  We don't even "come 
here" since we've never left the United States.  Haven't you noted that were 
Americans (in the exclusive sense of the word)?

Edelmiro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex,talk.politics.misc
From: skip@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (Skip Gundlach)
Subject: Re: Specil or equal rights?
Summary: *ALT.SEX???*
Keywords: See the summary
Organization: UGA Statistics Department
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:28:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.204624.17742@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>
>From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
>Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
>Date: 6 Jan 93 17:58:04 GMT
>
>Edelmiro Salas  says:
>
>>No, in CALIFORNIA we granted them special legal status (given their political 
>>control of places like San Francisco. In Colorado voters rejected a proposal 
>>which would have given gays and lesbians the status of an underrepresented 
>>ethnic minority and would make them qualify for State Affirmative Action >>programs and special legal status, when in fact they are overrepresented 
>>economically, are very affulent, have much more  political clout, than say... 
>>blacks.  The voters decision simply says were not in favor of people 
>>discriminating you (as we're not in favor of anybody discriminating against 
>>anybody), but we won't give you the same monetary and special legal status 
>>given to Native Americans.  I thinks a very reasonable decision and I don't 
>>know why their making such a fuss about it, they even want to compare the 
>>Colorado vote with the Arizona one refusin to conmemorate King's Holiday!!  
>
>
>>Edelmiro
>
>As far as I understand, Gays and Lesbians are asking for equal protection
>under the law and not for special rights.
>Also, I understand that it has nothing to do with Affirmative Action  programs.
>
>Someone might want to clarify this.
>
>AAP


-- 
Skip Gundlach .nosig (Sorry, that's the best I could do on short
notice, and I'm not even an electrician...)
From: julio@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Julio Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Cuba/Drug Trade
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:29:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <20747@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
> ...same time he is making a profit from it.  I will try to follow up on these
> events as soon as anything appears in the NYT (not the transfer Service).
> 
> Edelmiro

	Please don't forget the CIA-Drug connections. 
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From: urena@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Richard Urena)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,rec.music.afro-latin,soc.culture.spain
Subject: LYRICS: Razones
Followup-To: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 10 Jan 1993 12:46:47 -0500
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucc.umass.edu


RAZONES
Juan Luis Guerra

Nos encontramos una tarde bajo el sol de primavera
tu' caminando entre mis pasos, yo vistie'ndome en tus huellas
y nos amamos cara a cara,
y nos besamos en la calle
y tanto amor se fue' fundiendo que ahora no puedo olvidarte

Mil razones para amarte,
tu' eres mi razo'n primera
mil poemas en la calle y yo
yo rodando donde quiera

Y asi' tu amor me fue naciendo como un ri'o de agua errante
tu buque atraca [en] un viejo puerto, siembro anclas en tu talle
y ya nos amamos cara a cara
ya nos besamos en la calle
ahora pregunto si a esta altura, vida, puedes olvidarme

Mil razones para amarte,
tu' eres mi razo'n primera
mil poemas en la calle y yo
yo rodando donde quiera


!Oye!


Y llenar las tardes de carin~o
                                            me sobran mil razones 
para que atraques en mi puerto y ancles conmigo 
                                            me sobran mil razones 
!oye!, que nuestro amor se va fundiendo, ya no te olvido
                                            me sobran mil razones
y besarnos en la madrugada
                                            me sobran mil razones 
para amarte de amapola y trigo


Oh, eh, lo', lo', le', le',....


Para amarte con tu piel de abrigo
                                            me sobran mil razones 
tu' caminando entre mis pasos, ya no te olvido
                                            me sobran mil razones 
y yo rodando por tu cuerpo como roci'o
                                            me sobran mil razones 
me basta la aurora desnuda
                                            me sobran mil razones 
para amarte de amapola y trigo


Oh, eh, lo', lo', le', le',....


Y llenarlo con tu espacio, todo
                                            me sobran mil razones 
cuando me das de cara a cara sobra carin~o
                                            me sobran mil razones 
y un beso me cierra la boca
                                            me sobran mil razones 
nos encontramos una tarde, noche que ansi'o
                                            me sobran mil razones 
tengo una casita de cayenas y colores para estar contigo


Oh,...

Asi' tu amor me fue naciendo como un ri'o de agua errante
tu buque atraca [en] un viejo puerto, siembro anclas en tu talle
y ya nos amamos cara a cara
ya nos besamos en la calle
ahora pregunto si a esta altura, vida, puedes olvidarme

Mil razones para amarte,
tu' eres mi razo'n primera
mil poemas en la calle y yo
yo rodando donde quiera
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  -=[                      Richard Urena                      ]=-
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From: rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:46:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.182048.5674@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>In article <2B49CB21.1240@news.service.uci.edu> rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo) writes:

>
>Como, acaso no eras vos el que salia con eso de que usar el termino 
>anti-semita con demasiada frcuencia le saca impirtancia?
>Mi comentario sobre los cubanos que estan aca no tiene nada que ver con
>que yo sea o no comminista/simpatizante de Castro.
>Pareciera que el mundo se divide entre aquellos que estan de tu lado, y 
>los que no estan de tu lado, que por definicion son comunistas/simpatizantes
>de Castro.
>Patetico.
>

 No es lo mismo, tu desden hacia los cubano-americanos es constante. Nunca has
 dicho nada a nuestro favor pero muy a menudo indirectamente defiendes a Castro
 y su politica "socialista" con la cual te identificas.
 
 Es verdad que la mayoria de nosotros somos conservadores y eminentemente
 anti-comunistas pero aunque sea tenemos una buena excusa al ver a nuestro
 pais destruido por el comunismo.
 
 Lo que no entiendo es tu posicion, todavia crees que el comunismo va a hacer
 a todos "iguales", ateos y/o anti-cristianos? Mira a la antigua USSR donde
 todos esos "ideales" fracasaron por completo y por consequencia muchos de 
 esos antiguos odios y rencores estan en auge otra vez......
 
 Si no eres comunista o simpatizante entonces cual es tu "chispa" en contra
 de nosotros? Talvez sea que no usamos el "vos"? Tomamos cafe' y no el mate?
 Oye, pero tenemos una soda derivada del mate (Materva) que nos gusta mucho!
--
Ray I. Ravelo                "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing. Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                 from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
From: cortes@enuxva.eas.asu.edu (Enrique Cortes-Rello)
Subject: Re: Human rights in the USA.
Keywords: USA
Organization: Arizona State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:09:05 GMT

In article <2B531466.14874@news.service.uci.edu>, rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo) writes:
> In article <1993Jan12.174512.28290@ennews.eas.asu.edu> cortes@enuxva.eas.asu.edu (Enrique Cortes-Rello) writes:
> >In article <21211@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
> >> Enrique Cortes-Rello writes:
> 
> >You said it : "more egalitarian". But, are you ready to claim that, in practice
> >(and not in theory), PuertoRicans have an equal place in the U.S. society ?
> >(just an example: the Banks discriminating against "hispanics"  - and yes, you
> >are included- when aproving mortages)
> > 
> 
>  Banks discriminating against hispanics? Where? I have purchased many
>  properties and never had that problem. None of my "hispanic" friends
>  ever said something like that either. Banks check your credit and income,
>  if you have a good credit they'll give it to you, after all that's their
>  business. Now, if you have a lousy credit or have a record of crossing the
>  border to avoid responsibilities (like some cuates a know) then that's
>  a different story.
> 
> --
> Ray I. Ravelo                "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
> Office of Academic Computing. Cubans who look around us in terror"
> UC, Irvine.                 from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
> 

I think you have not followed the news: there was an investigation (by a
congressional panel?) and they determined that "anglos" get a much
higher % of approved mortages (regardless of the person's economic
situation) than blacks and "hispanics". This investigation was a BIG
DEAL here in Arizona  :(

Why would a Bank discriminate? beats me.
Why would an employer discriminate? beats me.
Why is the KKK still active? beats me.

ENRIQUE
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: 002564r@axe.acadiau.ca (RICARDO FLAVIO ROMAN-CARBAJAL)
Subject: Re: re: derechos humanos en EEUU
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:13:45 GMT


>Dice Enrique Cortes-Rello:

>>> Si vivieras mas cerca de Arizona, te invitaria a tomar
>>> unas buenas cervecitas Mexicanas para platicar y
>>> convencerte de que todos los Latinoamericanos somos
>>> hermanos (incluyendo los Puertorriquen~os).

>Dice Edelmiro:

>> Dos X o Tecate estarian bien, junto con unas buenas
>> chimichangas de puerco. Alli te podria convencer de que
>> todos los latinoamericanos somos hermanastros que solo
>> tenemos la lengua y el pinchi catolicismo en comun.   Y
>> claro, como somos buenos hijos de la chingada madrastra
>> patria, los boricuas nos fuimos al norte y nos casamos con
>> una gringota.  Ya tenemos casi 100 an~os de matrimonio y
>> nos va muy bien.


  Que tranquilidad! uno no se siente mejor sabiendo que este no se considera 
  hermano nuestro?  y en lo personal como no soy Catolico a lo mejor ni 
  hermanastro me considera... es una de las cosas mas reconfortantes que he 
  leido en la net. 
   
  Quique, ni se te ocurra convencerlo!, no nos quites esta alegria
  ademas si tu te vives(si necesidad de casarte ni de venderte) con su 
  gringa alla por el sur (yo vivo al norte tuyo con una pelirroja 
  bilingue)  mientras el la admira sentadito en su isla viviendo de 
  algunos cari~itos que le sobran a su "esposita".

                             Ricardo
                         Nova Scotia Canada
                                                 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: ccadeff@sunvis2.vislab.olemiss.edu (Sergio Adeff)
Subject: Re: Olvida mi nombre
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:12:19 GMT

In <9301121701.AA00530@physics.Berkeley.EDU> wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter) writes:

>Aquellas palabras, "Olvida mi nombre," son las principales de una 
>cancion de dos argentinos fantasticos, hermano y hermana, cuyo 
>nombre, lastimamente, !me olvide!  En sus canciones son siempre 
>amantes que no son de acuerdo en nada.  Como pareja de cancionistas 
>tienen el nombre de un flor muy raro.  ?Hay algun lector que sabe
>quienes son?

>Gene Ledbetter/wombat@physics.berkeley.edu

Yo tambien quisiera saber.  Espero que Gene sepa apreciar estas peque~as
correcciones a su encomiable castellano: "lamentablemente" en lugar de
"lastimamente"; "no estan" o "no se ponen" en lugar "no son"; "una flor"
en lugar de "un flor".  Finalmente, aunque correcto como esta expresado,
seria mejor "que sepa" en lugar de "que sabe".  Felicitaciones por haber
aprendido como segundo idioma, un castellano elegante, al que solo le
falta eliminar algunos errores.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:20:48 GMT

In article <2B49CB21.1240@news.service.uci.edu> rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo) writes:
>
> Well, not all jews were in camps as there were quite a few like Stella* who
> worked for the nazis and lived in nice homes. Also there were many thousands
> that lived with christian families during the war.

Siendo esto tambien irrelevante, ya que el no se referia al caso de
individuos, sino a la mayoria. Seria lo mismo que decir que tambien Fidel
vive a lo monarca con un monton de gente. Representa eso a la mayoria de
los cubanos?


>
> Sorry Alberto, but your irrelevant attack on Cuban-Americans only shows what
> you are: a communist/Castro sympathizer.

Como, acaso no eras vos el que salia con eso de que usar el termino 
anti-semita con demasiada frcuencia le saca impirtancia?
Mi comentario sobre los cubanos que estan aca no tiene nada que ver con
que yo sea o no comminista/simpatizante de Castro.
Pareciera que el mundo se divide entre aquellos que estan de tu lado, y 
los que no estan de tu lado, que por definicion son comunistas/simpatizantes
de Castro.
Patetico.




>Ray I. Ravelo                "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million

AAP
From: julio@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Julio Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Human rights in the USA. ( Amnesty International urges Clinton )
Keywords: USA
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:53:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	Amnesty International requests from President Clinton:

	> First ... P. Clinton must move immediately to end the
	double standard on human rights, so clearly expressed by
	U.S. policy toward Haitian refugees.

	> Second ... P. Clinton must immediately urge the Senate
	to give its advice and consent to ratification of the 
	remaining international treaties that would implement
	the promise of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human
	Rights.
	
	> Third ... P. Clinton should instruct his U.N. Ambassador
	to support Amnesty's recommendation for the establishment
	of a United Nations Special Commissioner for Human Rights
	-- with substantial and wide-ranging power and authority
	to adderss this life-or-death issue.

	> Fourth ... P. Clinton must assert U.S. leadership in 
	ending the double standard --setting a moral example by
	ensuring that agreements on trade and military assistance
	take full account of human rights.
		The US has in the past refused to accept claims
		of political asylum from men and women fleeing
		oppression in  (Haiti) El Salvador and Guatemala.
		An Amnesty report ... will document this pattern 
		that permits billions of dollars in US assistance
		or trade concessions to ... Turkey, Egypt, China,
		Israel, South Korea, the Philippines and Colombia...
		Is it any wonder that the US ... has lost much of
		the moral stature that is essential to advancing
		HRights ... ?

	> Fifth ... P. Clinton must commit the US to active involvement
	in the battle to stop torture. This must include not only
	obedience to US law prohibiting military assistance to gross
	and persistent human rights violators, but also seizing a
	position of moral leadership that seeks the enlistment of
	every civilized nation.
		... As a world superpower, the US must ... send
		a clear signal that governments that torture --
		whether it be Turkey, China, Tunisia or Mexico --
		cannot do so ...


				
			signed by John G. Healey
			executive director



	Now it only names Turkey, China, Tunisia or Mexico. Why not
	Cuba ? Is that because Healey is a communist or may be
	President Castro sent him one of Edelmiro's putas ?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Cuba/Drug Trade
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:29:55 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <C0M7v8.F2t@eis.calstate.edu> lcornel@eis.calstate.edu (Louis Cornelio) writes:
>of course, we can just continue waiting for Fidel to die of
>old age, like Franco..........

Luis, Fraco at least left and ilustrated monarch who knew a little democracy in
charge of the Spanish state, but Fidel has left none other than his drug
trafficking ruthless brother, Raul Castro as the successor to the throne. But
in any event we could just wait in the envent the Cuban people don't ask for
help.

Edelmiro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: Ashley@chaz.demon.co.uk (Charles Ashley)
Subject: Re: Spanish-English translation software 
Distribution: world
Organization: Learned Information (Europe) Ltd.
Reply-To: ashley@chaz.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:13:14 +0000

In article <16B4FF7C5.M16302@mwvm.mitre.org> M16302@mwvm.mitre.org writes:

>There is no text in this article.  Ar you selling translation SW?
>

For some reason the text body was lost.  Apologies; I've reposted.
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From: wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Olvida mi nombre
Date: 12 Jan 1993 11:01:34 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Aquellas palabras, "Olvida mi nombre," son las principales de una 
cancion de dos argentinos fantasticos, hermano y hermana, cuyo 
nombre, lastimamente, !me olvide!  En sus canciones son siempre 
amantes que no son de acuerdo en nada.  Como pareja de cancionistas 
tienen el nombre de un flor muy raro.  ?Hay algun lector que sabe
quienes son?

Gene Ledbetter/wombat@physics.berkeley.edu
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Los nin~os que hablan esperanto
Date: 8 Jan 93 06:17:44 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Dice Gene P. Ledbetter:

>Saludos a todos,

>Edelmiro Salas pregunto:

>> Just out of curiosity, are there native speakers of
>> Esperanto.  That is to say, can you find a 4 year old
>> that speaks this language?  I invite anybody who can
>> show me a native speaker of this "language" out to dinner.

>!Me gusta mucho la comida argentina!

>Lastimamente, no tengo dentro de mi circulo de amigos un solo
>nin~o de 4 an~os.  Pero les aseguro a ustedes que este es un
>verdadero idioma.

Pues claro que lo es, de la misma manera que Pascal, C y Lisp son verdaderos 
idiomas; pero no son lenguas naturales que se pueden reproducir en las 
gramaticas de poblaciones humanas como lengua natural, puesto que son enjendros 
artificiales de lenguas indoerupeas que un nio no puede reproducir, mucho 
menos inferir de su produccion y generarlas como lengua propia.  Al menos el 
Latin, aunque no tenga hablantes nativos hoy dia, fue en una epoca una lengua 
natural.

>Se dice que hay en realidad unos pocos (es cierto no hay
>muchos) nin~os para quienes esperanto es el primer idioma.

Si, tambien se dice que hay un monstruo en Loch Ness...

>La explicacion es que, desde vez en cuado, dos esperantistos
>de diferentes paises se casan sin tener entre ellos ningun
>otro idioma comun excepto esperanto.  ("El amor conquista
>todo".)  El amor produce nin~os y los nin~os comienzan la
>vida hablando el idioma que hablan los padres, !en este caso
>esperanto!

Proporcioname el nombre de los nios aqui: ______________________

>Por supuesto, la idea de esperanto no es de ser el primer
>idioma de ningun persona; la idea es de ser el segundo idioma
>de personas que quieren (o deben) comunicar con
>"extranjeros".

Eso lo entiendo, ya que el esperanto no puede, por lo que dije antes ser 
primera lengua de nadie.  Ahora bien, aunque simpatizo bien con las ideas de 
cread una linguafranca en el mundo, me parece imposible.  Primero porque no se 
pueden "crear" lenguas naturales, segundo, por que la variacion linguistica en 
el mundo no se limita a las lenguas indoeuropea, sino que incluye miles de 
familias linguisticas que difieren abismalmente entre si.  Asi que la 
"comunicacion" entre esperantistas se limitara a dos o tres lenguas indoeurpeas 
y mas nada.  Cuando encuentres los nin~os de 4 an~os que hablen esperanto y 
nada mas que esperanto, llamame.

Edelmiro.
From: julio@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Julio Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Homophobia: US vs. CUBA
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:00:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <2B4CBF41.1622@news.service.uci.edu>, rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo) writes:
> >Can you explain why?
> 
>  I you need explanation on this one, then it'll be a waste of time on my
>  part to explained to you!
> --
> Ray I. Ravelo                "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
> Office of Academic Computing. Cubans who look around us in terror"
> UC, Irvine.                 from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela


	Please explain ! It is not obvious to many people.
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