From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Subject: Re: SC rally: "We don't want a draft dodger for president!"
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:39:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.201904.4247@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:

   In article <9137@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
   > 
   > In <1992Sep15.150151.24216@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:
   > DOC:The reason
   > DOC:I won't apologize to people who have redneck attitudes is:
   > DOC:1.) Much of
   > DOC:their bigotry is offensive and hateful to other groups,
   > 
   > You started this thread by implying that everyone (or at least everyone from
   > small towns in the south) who opposed Clinton was a redneck.

   I did not!!! What I said is that most of these people, some of which were
   actually interviewed on TV, were convinced that this "draft-dodging"
   smokescreen was a real issue because it plays off their in-bred biases. I regret
   the use of the terms redneck and ignorant, but the point does not require that
   statement for validity.

You just don't understand what you write.  Look at your penutimate
sentence, it refers to "in-bred biases" as if they were somehow
genetically crippled.  You may regret phrases such as "redneck", but your
references to them as being genetically crippled reveals your true
cultural racism.

   >  You exended the
   > stereotype of redneck to include beer-swilling and ignorant.

   Again, I regret the stereotyping. The point still remains valid.

Oh, I see, I'm sorry I called them beer-swilling and ignorant, but they
still are.

   > You then flat
   > out stated that rednecks are all racists.

   No I said SOME were racist. Do you have evidence that I am wrong?

Score one for the Dok.

   > Your bigotry is offensive and hateful.

   Fine. I don't expect to convince you or Al of anything anyway, nor do I care
   what you think of me. You don't know me.

Oh, yes we do, just read your writings.

   > 
   > It might also help if we could come up with a working definition of redneck.
   > I think our definitions are probably divergent.

   It's not worth my time to continue this and I have decided to go back to
   debating the REAL issues.

Like herding sheep?

   > 
   > DOC:2.) They base most of
   > DOC:their warped prejudice on strict stereotypes, and
   > 
   > Talk about basing actions on stereotypes, you have done nothing but set up
   > stereotypes for this whole thread.

   The words "some of" or "most of" occur in most of my statements. If you have
   definitive evidence that my contention about irresponsible voting is
   falacious, I'd like to here it.

No problem.  Do you recall calling the people who voted for Reagan as
"sheep"?  Or, as usual to you prfer to deny it or call those who expose
you dirty campaigners.

   > 
   > DOC:3.) Their irresponsible voting is
   > DOC:hurting alot of people (including themselves) and they should be taken
   > DOC:to task for it.
   > 
   > It is still an open question about which policies have been most damaging
   > to this country.  You have been implying that through carefull study and
   > research you have stumbled onto the wisdom that will save this country.
   > You have implied that if only the rest of us were smart enough or
   > dedicated enough we would also come to the same conclusions you have.

   WRONGO. I have said in recent postings that if people studied the issues and
   disagreed with me, I could respect that. Are you saying that NOT knowing the
   issues or the candidate's proposals when voting is a GOOD thing?

Do you mean the "sheep" who voted for President Reagan?

   > 
   > 
   > DOC:There is a relative of mine who won't watch basketball or
   > DOC:football anymore because "There are too many **** playing these days".
   > DOC:According to him **** are all lazy and we were better off before equal
   > DOC:rights. Most of the people I grew up with agree with him. Now do you
   > DOC:understand why I will not apologize Mark?
   > 
   > I now understand.  Your hatred for those you grew up with has caused you
   > to become as bigoted and close minded as those you rant against.

   Wrong again mon frere. You don't know me well enough to come to this
   conclusion. If you did know me you would probably be embarassed (sp).

You're open minded?  Tell that to the sheep.

   > Now do you understand why I have been urging you to seek professional 
   > help before you do something to hurt yourself.

   I suggest to you a good etiquette class.

   > 
   > Peace.

   No evidence of "peace" so far.

No, war and you started it.

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