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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Ohio State Football - No fun, no future to it's players and recrui
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:07:53 GMT

dbayer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel L Bayer) writes:
[ long copying of earlier posts deleted ]

Other than pointing out the terrible grammar, poor spelling, and possibly
even a 'hunt and peck' style of typing, what's your point?  Are you
discrediting everything stated merely because the grammar and spelling
were so hideous?  I don't necessarily agree with the views of the person
who made all the errors, but I simply read the message and forgot about the
poor command of the English language.

allen
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zhang@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Yaoen Zhang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big East Review: RUTGERS
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:55:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

In article <yvonne.726518881@well.sf.ca.us> yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
>In <1993Jan8.143616.1581@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
>
>
>>4. The last-second win over Virginia Tech showed the team's ability
>>to win games in "crunch time."  One of the most thrilling victories
>>since RU 6, Princeton 4 (in 1869).
>
The final score of that game is RU 50 Virgina Tech 49.  The
funny thing is that Rutgers run out of gun powder.

Yaoen
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami's Humiliation (or How not to Play Football)
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:52:48 GMT
Organization: American Math. Society

In article <1993Jan5.174922.25254@cs.ucf.edu> tech@osceola.cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:

   >Oh this is rich. nebraska couldn't beat their meat let alone the
   >Hurricanes. They are by far the worst damn bowl team I've ever seen.

Then you must not have seen Michigan play any bowl games during the
last 15 years.  They have the sorriest excuse for a bowl record ever.
Also, if you'd seen the Blockbusted Bowl, you would have seen THE
sorriest performance by a bowl team this year.  Welcome to the pitiful
ten, PSU!  You'll fit right in with the rest of us!



-Alan Harder                
 Go Blue!                   

 My opinions are not the opinions of the American Mathematical Society.
 Did you think they were?
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From: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: Re: Conference Strength
Reply-To: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com  
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:19:33 GMT

In article <TQc=BD+@engin.umich.edu>, hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan4.132630.13234@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
|> >
|> >
|> >So, let's see.  How did the conferences do in bowl games?  Something like
|> >
|> >
|> >SEC    5 out of 6
|> >ACC    3 out of 4
|> >PAC10  2 out of 6
|> >
|> >
|> >Not sure about the rest, but no other conference had more than 2 wins.  It
|> >is obvious that the SEC was really the strongest, but the ACC held its own.
|> 
|> 
|> Just a bread for thoughts:  You cannot simply use no. of bowl wins to
|> determine which conference is the toughest/best.  Say, may be a
|> conference which having 6 teams in bowl games and win 5 of
|> them because most of them are playing nobody in these bowl games.
|> 
|> - Louis
|> 
	My dear Mr. Pang,  The conference with 5 of 6 wins was playing
	the best of the rest.  The best go to bowls.  The SEC sent
	SIX count them 6 teams and all but one won !!  That says only
	one thing,  SEC has the best conference this year !!! Period.
	END OF DISCUSSION !!!

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From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Give Fresno St (and the WAC) some credit
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:21:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: what.. me.. organized?



The teams representing the much-maligned WAC did a fairly good job in
the Bowls. Two got beat by 3 pts each, one lost 13-0, and two beat
their opponents very easily.
The WAC conference gave up scores of 7, 17, 13, 23, and 31 (to
Bledsoe and co.), which in itself is a feat.

The Fresno St whacking of USC resulted in the hastening of Larry Smith's
departure from USC. Everybody in LA seems to be upset that USC shouldn't
have gotten beat by FSU, no matter what sort of season either team was 
having. But anybody who saw that game will tell you that FSU dominated
the game at the line of scrimmage. Anybody who says that USC's defeat
was a "major upset" didn't do his/her homework. With an offense like 
that and a smart coach who is imaginative and takes chances, they were
a very competitive team. The Las Vegas spread which made USC a 9 pt
favorite was inflated because of the proximity of LA and money USC alums 
spend on betting.

_______________________________________________________
| Prashanth                    |                      |
| U. of California @ San Diego | prash@raman.ucsd.edu |
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From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (1-4-93)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:37:21 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>I also don't follow the logic that a playoff system would get better
>TV ratings.  If an undisputed MNC game of #1 vs. #2 draws poor
>ratings, why should we expect playoffs to do any better?
I think the main difference would be in the games with lower-ranked teams.  A
game between two teams ranked in the 20's would gain more interest if the
winner gets a chance to play the #1 team.
-- 
Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: ND not worthy
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:13:43 GMT

In article <e92P03UAc7zB00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
>  This is deja vu of the season before- when Notre Dame faced the Gators
>in the Sugar Bowl, and at the time ND was ranked #15 or something like that
>while the Gators were in the top-5.  
>
>  Well, we all know that they beat the Gators bad in that bowl game,
>much like A&M was beat this year.  

Actually, that game wasn't much like the Cotton Bowl this year at all.
In last year's Sugar Bowl, both teams generated a lot of offense and
scored a lot of points.  Notre Dame won a fairly close game because they
were able to stiffen near their goal line and force field goals from Florida,
rather than the touchdowns ND was getting.  While Notre Dame won that game,
and it wasn't a fluke, it was not as decisive a win as the Cotton Bowl
was, this year.

>They [ND] are not a number one team, but they could 
>beat any number one team on a given day.  

It's not been all that long since ND was a #1 team, and the talent on
the team is generally high enough that they are contenders most years.
ND plays a tough schedule (less so now than 5 years ago, but it's still
no cakewalk), so they need a bit of luck to be in the position to win
a championship, but they contend often enough that the luck tends to
come through once or twice a decade.  If one is not a Miami fan, then
winning one national championship in a decade looks pretty good.  It
would look pretty good to any Miami fans who slept through the 80's,
too.

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Conference Strength
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:26:30 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division



So, let's see.  How did the conferences do in bowl games?  Something like


SEC    5 out of 6
ACC    3 out of 4
PAC10  2 out of 6


Not sure about the rest, but no other conference had more than 2 wins.  It
is obvious that the SEC was really the strongest, but the ACC held its own.
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Thoughts
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:03:35 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts) wrote:
}
}Personally, I don't think either ``universe'' is particularly rational.

Okay, so tell us the rules of your universe:

(1) The Sugar wants ratings?
(2) Miami wants money?
(3) Miami wants money more than it wants to play Florida?

}Last year, given a probable Florida loss to FSU (which in retrospect we 
}know didn't happen, but pre-selection it seemed very likely), a game between 
}#1/2, undefeated Miami and ~#10, 9-2 Florida would have been eaten up in the
}ratings by the balanced ~#11 Nebraska against perennial draw Notre Dame 
}(these rankings are approximations of what the common wisdom said would
}happen).  This year we had none of that.  

Are these supposed to be things that inspired the Sugar Bowl to
invite Notre Dame?  It may interest you to know that this year's
Sugar Bowl drew lower ratings than last year's Sugar Bowl.  Without
the Bowl coalition this year, then, would your "money first" philosophy
have said that inviting Notre Dame would have been the thing for
the Sugar Bowl to do?  

}                                          Alabama came in to what would
}have been Pick'em Day (~Nov 21) 10-0 and ranked #2 with only weak Auburn
}and topsy-turvy Florida to go and Miami was 9/10-0 and ranked #1 with
}either Syracuse and NaziSU or just NaziSU to go.  Neither looked like
}they would lose again and the matchup probably would have been made.

Why?  Notre Dame-Alabama would draw better ratings than Miami-Alabama,
and in addition the Sugar Bowl had every reason to expect that they
would be up against Notre Dame in the Orange if they didn't take 
them.  

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
   "My dad's a cotton-pickin', finger-lickin', chicken plucker,
               now what do you think about that?"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: All Hail The TIDE !!!
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 17:54:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.163655.10300@infonode.ingr.com>, tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com
(Tony Bowman) wrote:

> 	PLEASE respond if you can think of anything to say !!!!

Yeah, I can. Take away two of Gino's errors (the two INT's in the 3rd
quarter), and it becomes *anyones* ball game.

But that's life, and Bama got/made the breaks. And took *full* advantage
of them. Kudos to Stallings. At least one Aggie figured out a way to
win.

Enjoy the MNC. Soon it will be next season, and last season's MNC will
be meaningless. Is it true a lot of your experienced D will graduate
to the NFL?

One question, what was the deal on Lassic's unsportsmanlike penalty?
In the stands it was thought that Lassic had said something, is that
so? I know Stallings was really chewing up the refs on it!

James
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: fwang@moliere.helios.nd.edu (Fu-Quan Wang)
Subject: Re: Bettis to NFL?
Reply-To: fwang@moliere.helios.nd.edu (Fu-Quan Wang)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:25:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.215512.18674@wl.com>, wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:
|> 	Has anyone heard any hard information if Jerome Bettis has decided to
|> go to the NFL? From the talk during the Cotton Bowl it sounded like he would.
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|> ***************************************************************
|> Russ Wyborski               |The opinions expressed here are
|> Biotechnology Dept.         |entirely my own and in no way

Both Bettis and Tom Carter have announced that they will go pros
this year. It's sad news for Irish fans.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Review of predictions for Conference Champions/Cellar Dwellers in I-AA
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:52:53 GMT


Back in August, I made selections for each of the I-AA conference champions and
"cellar dwellers" for each league.

This is how I did:


CONFERENCE          CHAMP(S)        MY PICK        CELLAR         MY PICK

Big Sky             Idaho/          Idaho          Idaho St.      Montana St.
                     E. Wash.

Gateway             N. Iowa         N. Iowa        E. Illinois/   Indiana St.
                                                   Illinois St./
                                                   Indiana St./
                                                   S. Illinois

Ivy                 Dartmouth/      Cornell        Brown          Columbia
                    Princeton

Mid-Eastern         No. Car. A&T    Delaware St.   Morgan St.     Morgan St.

Ohio Valley         Middle Tenn.    Middle Tenn.   Murray St.     Tenn-Martin

Patriot             Lafayette       Lafayette      Bucknell/      Bucknell
                                                   Fordham

Southern            The Citadel     Marshall       Tn-Chattanooga E. Tenn. St.

Southland           NE Louisiana    NE Louisiana   Nicholl's St.  Nicholl's St.

Southwestern        Alcorn St.      Alabama St.    Prarie View    Prarie View

Yankee              Delaware        Villanova      Rhode Island   Richmond

OVERALL: Picking Champs: 5 of 10 (.500)
         Picking Cellar: 5 of 10 (.500)
-----------------------------------------------

PDunn
Experience I-AA football--the most exciting level of play!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick)
Subject: Re: Miami strategy?
Reply-To: jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:55:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.211053.9348@leland.Stanford.EDU>, daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao) writes:
|> 
|> Can someone post again which of Alabama's starters on defense were
|> recruited by Stallings and which were recruited by Stallings'
|> predecessor, Curry?  What do Crimson Tide supporters think about
|> how Curry would have done with this year's team?  
|> 
 
  I'm not sure who all was Curry's players. but if Bill were still there, we
wouldn't be where we are today.  Curry has left 2 college jobs, each won a MNC 3
years after his depature.  I have to wonder if C.M. Newton, Kentucky A.D. and
former Alabama basketball coach, had it in mind to help his old employer by
hiring away Curry...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Ohio St (national merit scholars) Wussconsin
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:02:58 CST

In article <1993Jan8.020655.24366@leland.Stanford.EDU> hoff@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Eric Hoffman) writes:
>In article <63197@mimsy.umd.edu> sjsmith@cs.umd.edu (Stephen Joseph Smith) writes:
>>
>>[My almanac is 1991.  All figures date from then.  Guess it's time to get a
>>new almanac.]
>>					Enrollment
>>Michigan State University		42,695
>>Ohio State University			40,122
>>University of Michigan --- Ann Arbor	35,216
>>Purdue University			29,674
>>University of Wisconsin --- Madison	29,625
>>University of Minnesota --- Twin Cities	29,278
>>
>Something is really wrong with these figures.  UW has about 43,000 students
>and Ohio State has somewhere in the neighborhood of 55,0000.  Minnesota
>is also very low.  My guess is figures for these three schools are only 
>undergraduates.

Those are definitely undergraduate figures, but when it comes to talking
about National Merit Scholars and such, they only count undergraduates, so
this is the pertinent statistic, not total enrollment.  One thing that
shocked me about these numbers is that I didn't Purdue had that few
graduate students.  It looks like Michigan State hardly would have any.

OB Football:  Purdue is really going to be hurt defensively next year with
the losses of Beatty and Zgonina, but with Jimmy Young back in the
secondary, freshman All-American Bart Conley at LB, and decent years by
young defensive lineman like Eric Grey, they probably will surprise.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bama National Champs!
Date: 4 Jan 1993 15:27:21 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
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anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman) writes:

>In article <aggie-040193111418@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>, aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
>|> I know the first one in the 3rd quarter led to a TD. What's a defense to
>|> do? your offense just *gives* the ball to the other guys inside the your
>|> own 30 yard line. 

>I know you're joking here, but some unbelievers have tried to pretend those
>turnovers by the Canes were bad luck. I'm sorry, but interceptions like that are
>SKILL, dammit. Not to mention running down a wide-open receiver and taking the
>ball from him.

Even though Alabama played great defense, IMHO, the main reason for those
interceptions was Torretta.  It was a combination of good defense and bad
offense.
-- 
Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: crespo@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com (Ivan Crespo)
Subject: Re: record comeback
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:59:03 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: HP Vancouver Division Vancouver,WA


1981 Holiday Bowl BYU 46 - SMU 45 
It was SMU 45 - BYU 20 with 3 min. left in the game
                            ^^^^^
i.
--
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From: keithp@octel.com (Keith Perrin)
Subject: Re: My suggestion to the NFL
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:29:27 GMT

In article <^t#@byu.edu> zimms@newt.ee.byu.edu (Stephen H. Zimmerman) writes:
>
>There will be tons who disagree (go ahead and flame), but why
>doesn't the NFL show some true grit and not hire anyone who doesn't
>graduate?  or maybe put them on "academically-injured reserve" if they
>don't finish within 2 years (or so) of leaving school.
>
>Whatever happened to the old "Stay in School" phrase?  Wealth alone does
>not educate.
>
>There, just my 25 cents worth.
>
>Steve

The one and only true answer to your question is: MONEY!!!!!

KLP
From: tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:11:25 GMT
Organization: Racal-Milgo, Sunrise, Florida

Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan:

The game was a major disappointment, not just because we lost but also because
it seemed that the team was not prepared to play.  I have to admit that I
didn't think that Alabama could move the ball on Miami.  

I hope no more Miami quaterbacks win the Heisman.  However, a lot of the
comments in the net I have seen on Gino seem completely uncalled for. 
Whether or not he is a good pro prospect or how he performs in the NFL is
completely irrelevant to the Heisman.  

Miami can't seem to win the National Championship with an experienced QB.
All their titles have come with first year starting quarterbacks.  

I was surprised by how many Alabama fans left the game early.  The stadium
seem half full by the middle of the fourth quarter.  I would think most
fans would have stayed until the end of the game to see their team
celebrate.  Last year at the Orange Bowl, the stadium was still full
when the game ended (except for the Nebraska section).

A lot is said about Miami's home field advantage when they play in the
Orange Bowl, but no one seems to care that the SEC enjoys the same
advantage when they play in the Sugar.  At least Miami doesn't play in
the Orange every year.  And the Sugar bowl was louder than the Orange
was last year.

Why don't Alabama fans give some credit to the coach that recruited most
of the players responsible for their unbeaten season?  With all their
accusations of Miami being classless, their treatment of Curry doesn't
seem too classy to me.  

There is no doubt about it, they way to beat Miami is to force them to
commit a lot of turnovers.  Only BYU has been able to beat Miami in the
recent past without the help from several Miami turnovers.

Well, Bama fans, enjoy your championship.  Miami will be playing for #1
again next year, will you?

-- 

Tony L. Fernandez

Racal-Datacom, Network Management         Phone: (305) 846-6553
1601 N. Harrison Parkway                  INET : tonyf@sun1.interlan.com
Sunrise, FL 33323-2899                    

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Question
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:41:57 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 3604@dbsun.uucp, harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
>
>We (Bama) like to be sure we can walk the walk before we talk the talk.
>We don't go writin' checks we can't cash.  Seems rational to me.  Now
>if you do things the Miami way, i.e. talk the talk before you fail to
>walk the walk, then a heapin' helpin' of barbequed crow and sugar-CANE
>stew are bound to follow.
>
>Now on the subject of crow, we've already established that white sauce
>is best.  However, I'm wonderin' if hickory or mesquite cooks it best.
>Oh well, don't matter no how since we don't cook much crow at Bama. :-)
>We're already up to our ears in eagle and gator meat.  If you do find
>out, kindly forward the information to Miami.

Say, if you all have good recipes for gator meat, send some of them
down to Tallahassee.  Seems we have quite a bit of Gator meat on hand
too!  :-)

Now we haven't been able to get (sugar) Cane to grow worth stank in 
Tallahassee, but some of our researchers say that next year should be an 
excellent year to harvest (sugar) Cane.  :-)

On a final note, is it any wonder that Miami didn't do well in the Sugar
Bowl?  Ask the National Weather Service; hurricane season ends in November!


>
>As usual, insert as necessary:  :-) :-) :-)
>
>-- 
>*realName: Phil Harbison
>*mailName: harbison%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
>*phoneList: 314-731-7475 (w) 314-272-9318 (h)
>Rama-jama-yellowhamma', give `em hell, Alabama!


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