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From: coombs@asta.uucp (James H. Coombs)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Martial arts and the gut
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:12:20 GMT
Reply-To: coombs@parc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox PARC

In article <C0EnsF.54K@techbook.com> gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:
>giguere@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Giguere) writes:

	Having taken Aikido for a few months now, I'm pleased with the
	way my body is responding to the regular exercise sessions.
	But I can't say that I've noticed my stomach area responding as
	well as my chest area -- i.e., I still have a bit of a
	pot-belly.

Ego.  I too am pleased when my muscles start building.  From one
perspective, it is just amazing to feel your body changing so quickly.
And, if you are actually out of shape, then the change is a healthy
change.  But, if you are just out of shape, literally, with a body that
has the wrong proportions for current western fashion, then perhaps you
are missing something of what most arts have to offer.

	Any opinions on this?  Is getting rid of fat and building
	muscles up in and around the stomach area good or bad?

Do you aspire to be a martial artist or to be an athlete or to be a
handsome person?  You don't say.  Should you aspire at all?  What about
peace? harmony? understanding? wisdom?  Forget about your belly.
Forget your muscles.  Observe them as you would observe any worldly
phenomenon.  Forget yourself.  Next class.  Close your eyes.  Breathe
deep.  Feel your belly push big into the world, not into the world of
physical judgment but into the world of being.  Let your eyes roll back
into your head.  Then join class with acceptance, giving and yielding
without thought.

You worry about your belly, but if I were to cut it open with a large
blade, you would look at me and say not, "Why have you cut my handsome
belly?" but "Why have you killed my life?"  Then isn't the life more
important than the belly?  And isn't the spirit more important than the
life?

Aikido has a life level and a spirit level, but these cannot be viewed
while looking at one's belly.  You may feel that you are there for
belly purposes.  You may feel that you are there for martial purposes.
But then you allow yourself to be thrown.  No, you are not thrown, you
accept.  If you can do this, then you have potential beyond the ego
world of handsomeness and competitiveness.  At the very least, while
you are waiting for the body, make every effort to glimpse the greater
offerings of Aikido.  Return when your belly grows fat again and
eventually realize.

Good luck.  --Jim

Headers may be wrong.  Reply to coombs@parc.xerox.com
From: jchristian@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Attitide to female during sparring.
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:31:49 EST
Distribution: world
Organization:  Wright State University 

> Should I as a man just treat the woman as an opponent and go in as hard as
> I would as if I was against another man, or should I put on 'kid-gloves'.?
> 
> 	The idea is that we leave all ranks and positions outside the dojo
> 	when we train, and shouldn't discriminate against women. Also in a 
> 	real life situation an attacker might not be so discriminate.

Seems like it would be easy enough just to ask, if you're unsure.  I think a
woman will tell you if you're being too hard, but my experience is the
opposite, of women complaining that men are too soft on them.
 
> 	Women are 'mostly' not as physically strong as men, and so are at a
> 	disadvantage, and should be trated accordingly.

I was under the preconception that martial arts shouldn't emphasize muscular
strength anyway.  Women may not be as strong as men (generally), but they also
outscore men in other areas (some people have suggested patience, dexterity,
etc.).  As a test of skill, I'm not sure how to place the importance of
strength in the equation.
 
We don't do formal sparring, so I can't really help in that area.  But most of
the women I have trained with are more concerned with guys being as aggressive
with them as normal.  Hope that's useful somehow.

Jeff
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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Mark Sigman
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 19:36:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan03.062624.11568@rose.com> mark.kerr@rose.com (mark kerr) writes:
>  Hello there everyone. I just saw the movie "Iron & Silk" and wanted to 
>contact Mark Sigman. I was wondering if anyone out there might know where 
>I could write him.

	I think you mean Mark Salzman?
	There's some Sigman guy making waves in Taiji magazine, but I assume
don't mean him.

	Visit the local library (or bookstore) and see if you can find either
"The Laughing Sutra" or "Iron & Silk" - they may have info on how to contact
Salzman.


--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
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From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: Martial arts and the gut
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:55:24 GMT

giguere@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Giguere) writes:

>Having taken Aikido for a few months now, I'm pleased with the way my body is
>responding to the regular exercise sessions.  But I can't say that I've noticed
>my stomach area responding as well as my chest area -- i.e., I still have a 
>bit of a pot-belly.  Looking around at other people who do martial arts (not
>necessarily Aikido) I've noticed that some very strong and fit people still
>have a "gut".  Then I had a discussion with a friend about toning exercises 
>for the stomach and he expressed concern that such exercises would hinder
>your use of the "one point" just below your navel by not allowing you to
>relax properly in that area.

>Any opinions on this?  Is getting rid of fat and building muscles up in
>and around the stomach area good or bad?

Aikido has been the only exercise I've ever really enjoyed, and when I'm
training vigorously on a regular basis, my "pot" disappears and stays
off.  While I know other aikidoka who display an impressive hara(!) in
general the majority of senior students and teachers tend toward the
flat stomach.  Certainly I've never noticed that Chiba Sensei has any
problem using his "one point" even though he hasn't an ounce of fat on
him.

In our training we do a lot of conditioning exercises that help tone the
entire body (including the gut).  To the degree that excess flab slows
you down or tires you out, I'd say it was "bad"; certainly, it's
unnecessary.

--Jeff Frane
  Multnomah Aikikai

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From: csn88@seq1.keele.ac.uk (K.M. Tay)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Bruce Lee GIF poster
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:04:18 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

One of my friend wishes to have a Bruce Lee GIF file poster. Could
someone please post it? Thanks in aadvance. Also, please post it through
the alt.binaries.pic.misc.
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From: jo.lavoy%theweb@meaddata.com (Jo Lavoy) 
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: RE: NINJUTSU
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:33:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Web BBS 1-513-436-9011 6 Lines 1200 News groups 50,000 files!
Reply-To: jo.lavoy%theweb@meaddata.com (Jo Lavoy) 

Hm....no, I've not seen any mail.  But then I'm used to BBS's that tell
you when you have mail waiting.  Maybe this one doesn't do that. I'll
check.
                                                                                                           
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From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Re: Kicking someone's xxx.
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date:  6 Jan 93 00:29:50 GMT

ckuan@fraser.sfu.ca (Chiow Min Kuan) writes:

>Hi netters, I am working for a restaurant in downtown Vancouver, Canada.
>
>I have a question that you might be able to help me. My question is:
>	
>	"Will I be accused of assault for beating the shit out of a
>	 customer, if he really, really verbally insulted me?"
>
>Thanks for the reply, and have a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

Will you? Well, you can be so charged - if the customer (or police, or anyone
else) is of a mind to. You can't escalate to violence because of insult.

One the other hand, you could sue on the grounds of what was involved in the
insult. You might get sacked from the restaurant, and then you could sue them 
too. [Your reputation would precede you, in due course].

A friend of mine used to be a drinks waiter. His remedy for 'difficult 
customers' was to give them "triples" in their orders (scotch and dry...
...hmmm, tastes a little strong,... ...tastes nice-ssh... waida ken eye
heff anuvver wern). They could be legless by the main course. The customer
would then be capable of throwing himself down the stairs or into a brick
wall, etc.

I'm sure this is illegal too, somehow. I'd stick with botulism...

Tai Chi says: "punish a man by the laws made by himself". Ie, I'm sure if you
react well, his 'friends' will feel the insult reflects on them. They might
even beat the shit out of him...

Tomasso.

PS: I don't mean to suggest that only 'males' would be difficult customers.
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: T'ai Chi or Pa Kua in Palo Alto area
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:34:20 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

Both gperkins@netcom.com (Glen C. Perkins) and coombs@ivan.uucp 
ask about T'ai Chi or Pa Kua in the Palo Alto area.
 
Further, Glen writes:
 
  +I've heard the name Adam Hsu for years, and I know he's around here
  +somewhere (near Stanford). I know he does taiji and think he might
  +do the other two, but I don't really know anything about him. If
  +anyone else cares to comment, we're listening!

Adam Hsu teaches at his home in Cupertino on Wednesdays and at a
park on Sundays.  The Wed. class is an hour each of Long Fist,
Baji (that's spelled correctly), and 7 Harmony Praying Mantis.
The Sunday class is Pa Kua, T'ai Chi, and Hsing-Yi.  He also has
a series of expensive (to me) seminars on Pa Kua.  I have not
viewed his classes there, however, the above were forwarded to
me from Roy D'Souza (who no longer has net access) who checked
him out about 2 months ago.  If you'd like his impressions,
please e-mail me.

Terry Chan
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Yeah, right.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: renault@CAM.ORG (Pierre Renault)
Subject: Re: Taiji and Tai Chi.....
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:37:24 GMT
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Need to find a school in College Park, MD area
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:32:20 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA


I've got a friend who's interested in studying martial arts, primarily
for health reasons.  She's not particularly interested in getting the
total ultimate workout, just some kind of physical activity, and she
finds things like aerobics to be boring to the point where she doesn't
want to do them (sound familiar, anybody?)  She has no special physical
limitations, other than being out of shape, and from what I know of her
I'd say that there are many different arts that she would enjoy.  
What I'm looking for here are school recommendations, not style 
recommendations.  I don't want to steer her to some place where the
primary clientele consists of teenage testosterone-cases or trophy
chasers.  Any suggestions?



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From: acortez@athena.qualcomm.com (Adrian Cortez)
Subject: Help with Kickboxing Organizations
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:22:30 GMT

I'm posting this for a friend:

Need info. on any "kickboxing" organizations anybody may be familiar with.
Need address/phone no. of organization and any opinion about the org.
Prefers orgs. which allow amateurs.

NOTE:  my friend uses "kickboxing" to describe the kind of fighting he sees
       on the PKA matches.

       Please send all replies to the mail id associated with this post.
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Different angles
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:13:00 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth


>	And, whatever you do, don't say, write, think or type anything like
>"TKD is Korean Ballet" within sensor range of Mary Malmros. Mary is generally a
>very cool and reasonable person, but if you inpugn the honor of TKD, she
>can turn into Napalm Woman and get very punchy-kicky.

Hmmm, I remember, years back, a group of, erm, freelance soldiers who referred
to ALL martial arts as 'Oriental Dancing'!
From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Car Jack
Date: 6 Jan 1993 01:02:56 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

>Of course, a gun is not a panacea, and drawing a gun is not always the
>most prudent thing to do, especially if uke is already pointing one at
>you.

I can't resist adding some "Georgia Wisdom" here.  There used to be a saying
that went like "Never draw a pistol that you don't intend to fire unless
you first remove the front sight."  Reference being that if you don't
shoot it, someone bigger than you might take it from you, and shove it
somewhere.  A front sight on the barrle would definitely make it hurt more.

Georgia Wisdom is free, but if I start dispensing Alabama Wisdom, I'm
gonna charge.

>By the way, if you (everyone) haven't yet done so, you might want to
>drop in on rec.guns for a while.  Most of the discussion is technical

I have done so, and second the recommendation.  Some nice people there.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Car Jack
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:38:48 GMT

psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>I don't think these issues have anything to do with law.  If I were committed
>to carrying a gun in the car, I would do so with or without the law on my
>side.  My life (and anyone else's) is more important than the law as it
>pertains to gun restrictions.  

Well, judging from the value to put on practice (versus mere 
babbling), I guess it is safe to assume that you not only
advocate carrying a gun in the car as the "optimal solution" to
the problem of carjacking--you actually carry one in your own
car.  I forsee some practical problems with this, and am curious
about how you handle them.

For instance, where exactly do you keep the gun while you are
driving?  I imagine you wouldn't want it right out in plain
sight, say beside you on the front seat.  That could turn a
routine traffic stop (a lot more likely for most of us than a
carjacking) into a real ordeal.  But, if you stow the gun away
in the console or glove compartment, then it is not really going
to help you much if you need it to deploy it against a sudden,
unexpected threat.  So, do you carry your gun on your person
while driving?  In a holster, pocket, waistband?

Another thing I'm curious about is what you do with the gun when
you leave the car.  When you get out, do you leave your gun
behind in the car, or do you conceal it on your person and carry
it around with you at work, school, shopping, or wherever you
were driving to in the first place?

One last question, have you ever fired your gun inside a car?  I
understand that, without hearing protection, the noise made by
firing a typical self defense load in a confined space like a
car is deafening.  Literally.  Have you got a workaround for
this, or are you just figuring better hearing-impaired than
carless?

>If you're faced with a car jacking, you have a
>life/death situation on your hands.  Sure, the Gandhian approach is
>superior--turn over the car and let them drive away.  However, this is not how
>these events are taking place.  
>
>In the end, it is a struggle for control, and
>often the perpetrators are coming to the car with weapons in hand.  

Actually, in the vast majority of armed carjacking cases, this is
exactly what is taking place.  The world isn't suddenly swarming
with Gandhi clones or anything like that.  But most people, when
faced with an armed assailant who wants their car, are doing the
prudent thing.  Not liking it much, but doing it.

>I say kill
>them all before they even get to the door handle.  Just blast away and
>hopefully don't shoot too many innocent bystanders.

Well, what can I say to that.  My inclination these days is to
think that restrictions on firearm use and ownership are
possibly excessive.  That people might just be able to handle
the right to keep and bear arms with a little less help from the
legislature.  Then I read stuff like this...
--
Richard A. Drury                    National Institutes of Health
drury@helix.nih.gov                 31/B3C27, Bethesda, MD, USA
From: landman@hal.COM (Howard Landman)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Attitide to female during sparring.
Date: 6 Jan 93 03:12:32 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bang.hal.com

>In article <1icf72INNglq@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun) writes:
>>Should I as a man just treat the woman as an opponent and go in as hard as
>>I would as if I was against another man, or should I put on 'kid-gloves'.?

In article <1993Jan5.183357.11007@netcom.com> ilsa@netcom.com (Ilsa VanHook) writes:
>well, *I've* always appreciated being taken seriously in the dojo...i'd say
>assess your opponent's skill, and base your aggressiveness on that.

When you train or spar with *ANY* partner, you should make an effort to
determine their appropriate level of "hardness".  This is true regardless
of whether they are male or female.

One of my most memorable training sessions in Aikido came when I was only 3 kyu,
but had mastered high falls.  I started attacking my 2 dan nage (the wonderful
Betsy Hill), and as soon as I had figured out that she could handle as much
attack energy as I cared to supply, and she figured out that I could handle
whatever throw she applied no matter how high or hard or fast, we had a GREAT
time!  I would come roaring in full-tilt and (a second later) go flying
across the room, 4 feet off the mat.  More fun than a trampoline!  :-)

With a beginner, I'd probably start out a *teensy* bit slower.  :-)

	Howard A. Landman
From: poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: T'ai Chi or Pa Kua in Palo Alto area
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:21:10 GMT
Reply-To: poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1993Jan5.083528.10132@netcom.com> gperkins@netcom.com (Glen C. Perkins) writes:
>Maybe I should just become independently wealthy and move to Beijing
>to study for a decade or so. NOT.

Right.

I think you'd be better off in Taipei instead.

David Poore
poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu

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From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Attitide to female during sparring.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:13:20 GMT

Assuming equal skills by both participants, this question really
comes down to size.  If you are point fighting, go for it, but
remember that smaller people will pick up bruises even when big
folks think they are going easy.  This may discourage smaller people
from sparring.  Smaller people also lack the range available to taller
opponents, although this is actually good training and doesn't hurt.
If you are fighting full contact, you should of course separate people
within general weight divisions.  When I organized our last friendship
tournament, I organized bouts on the basis of weight divisions, not
skill (ie. rank).  Yellow belts and black belts of the same size were
able to fight quite well together.  If there was one person who was 
dominating the division, I let them do it for a couple bouts and then
bumped them up one weight division.  It worked out great.

Dakin
burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Finishing techniques
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:23:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: danzan.ebay.sun.com


Once again.... Kote refers to the protective sheath worn by 
Samurai which covered the back of their hands and went to their
elbow. So any grip from the back of the hand to wrist to forearm
is a Kote.

More modern terminology uses Katate (Kata te) for single hand and
Tekubi for wrist. But Kote is acceptable as well, since Jujutsu is
an outgrowth of Samuari Bujutsu. 

And yes, modern usage of Kote is forearm, but WRT Jujutsu - it ain't
always that clear.

---
Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply
From: cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kicking someone's xxx.
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:30:35 GMT
    <BSIMON.92Dec30114651@elvis.stsci.edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <BSIMON.92Dec30114651@elvis.stsci.edu> bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon) writes:
>I have no question about the morality of attacking someone who
>verbally insults me, but I'm not so sure about the legality. Isn't
>there something in the law about "fighting words" that can mitigate
>or excuse the crime of assualt? Are there any net lawyers out there
>that know about "fighting words"?
>--
There does seem to be an allowance for "fighting words" in the common
law.  The idea is that certain types of speech might constitute assault, 
from which one is entitled to defend himself.  It is always something
of a judgement call, both for the prosectors and a jury.  Thank goodness
for jury nullification.

I also mention that a person does not have to strike you to commit assault - 
indeed, once she does, she has committed "assault and battery". It isn't
always a question of who threw the first punch. If someone walks up to 
you and says "I'm going to kill you" and you have good reason to
believe him, you can shoot first and still have a strong self-defense
claim.  Recall Bernard Goetz - this is more or less what happened.

I am not a lawyer, nor have I ever played one on TV.

Charles Yeomans
From: actize@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: RE: Female Sparring
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:21:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Hello folks, as a near novice in sparring I've always appreciated it that a 
female lets me know right off that she's sparring and not making a social 
introduction.  A hard kick to the midsection with a ki-hai is what I recommend.