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From: troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks)
Subject: Re: Car phones
Keywords: cellular phone
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:51:43 GMT

In article <102651@netnews.upenn.edu> tony@scotty.dccs.upenn.edu (Anthony Olejnik) writes:
>My wife wants a car phone for Christmas.
>Is there a FAQ on these?
>Is there a more appropriate newsgroup then this one?
>I really don`t know where to start on this one (and its
>late as it is).
>
>Any help would be *GREATLY* appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>--tony
>

I just bought a phone for my wife.  We opted to buy
a portable phone, though, because she wanted to have it
with her while she was walking from car to office as
well as while she was in the car.  We ended up with
an ATT 3730.  It fits easily in her purse.  We considered
the other ATT (3710) phones and the Motorola flip phone, as
well as the, beleive it or not, Audiovox.  One of the
things we looked at closely was stand by time for the
battery and the cost for supplemental batteries.  The
batteries for these phones are a hassel.  Expect about
8 hours standby, 1 hour talk time as the norm.  Those
are the specs we ended up with, and in reality, get
80%-90% of that.  Also look at how the antenna is
'stored' so the unit can fit into a purse.  If you have
specific questions, email me (be sure to include your
return address, as sometimes the return address in the
envelope is incorrect).

You may also want to check out January 1993 Consumer
Reports and/or rec.telecom (I belive that is the name).

Note that the COST OF THE PHONE IS THE LEAST EXPENSIVE
PART OF A CELLULAR PHONE.  The monthly fees and per minute
rates, over time, will be the most expensive part.
Expect to spend about $25/month and about $0.40
per minute.

-
Troy Frericks                      Internet: troyf@MICROWARE.COM
Microware Systems Corporation          UUCP: uunet!mcrware!troyf
1900 NW 114th St                      Phone: (515)224-1929
Des Moines, IA 50325-7077               Fax: (515)224-1352
From: mdennie@beryllium.mc.xerox.com (Matt Dennie)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: impact is dead
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:23:34 GMT
Reply-To: mdennie@beryllium.mc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation

In article n0a41t@ofa123.fidonet.org, Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.fidonet.org () writes:
>
>   Let's hear you arguments against the immediate conversion to 
>renewable alcohol as an interim solution.

From where does this alcohol come?  Currently it is produced from fossil fuels
and produces the same sort of displaced pollution as EVs.  Yes, I know it can be distilled (or something) from agricultural products, but my understanding is it is
not as "economical" this way.

(BTW, anybody ever wonder how ecology, and economy got to sound so similar
when they seem to be always opposing one another?)

>
>
>.... Larry.Mc.Donald, N6ZMB, Fullerton, California!  <cough, cough>
>___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10
>
>--- Maximus 2.01wb


In article n0a42t@ofa123.fidonet.org, Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.fidonet.org () writes:
>
>miles or so. How far do you travel to work? I drive a total of 6 
>miles a day, to work and back. Yeah, I can see where I'd need a 
>300 mile range, in case I got lost.  My IC car costs about $2 a 
>day to drive. When I had an EV, it was about $.25. Plug it in 
>once a week and that's it. How about forgetting about the 
>ecological reasons to drive an EV and consider just how much 
>money you'd save?>

So why don`t you ride a bike? (or a motorbike)

>
>.... Larry.Mc.Donald, N6ZMB, Fullerton, California!  <cough, cough>
>___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10
>
>--- Maximus 2.01wb



---
--Matt Dennie                              Internet: mmd.wbst207v@xerox.com
Xerox Corporation, Rochester, NY (USA)
"Reaching consensus in a group often
 is confused with finding the right answer."  -- Norman Maier
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark Taylor)
Subject: Grand Cherokee v. Explorer
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:20:48 GMT

I'm interested in opinions of current owners of the Jeep Grand 
Cherokee and the Ford Explorer on their vehicles.

I'm sure I'm in the right place for plenty of opinions... :-)

Thanks.
-- 
Mark Taylor
OSU College of Medicine Division of Computing Services
mtaylor+@osu.edu     mtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
PHONE: (614) 292-6192              FAX: (614) 292-0745
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Rustproofing Propaganda?
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:12:55 GMT

In <1h4etjINNq38@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl) writes:

>He responded by saying that even though more galvanized metal is used
>in today's cars, the galvanization is either weakened or lost wherever
>a weld occurs, or where the metal is is bent.  Is this true?

Welding and some other processing can indeed remove the zinc from
galvanized steel, leaving it open to rusting.  High-quality
fabricators sometimes go back after welding galvanized steel and
restore the protection with cold-galvanizing paint.  This is a
strong paint with zinc-dust pigment, and it does a good job of
protecting the metal -- I use it for marine touchup work, and it
lasts several years at the waterline in salt water.

What I don't know, and what this sales droid's claims depend on,
is what the car makers do around welds.  If the manufacturers
leave the welds unprotected, some aftermarket protection might be
a good idea.  Even then, I'd be more inclined to climb under the
car with a spraycan of cold galvanizing.  It's no thicker than
real galvanizing, and it can't trap water like rubberized
undercoatings can.

Also, remember that drilling a hole *also* penetrates the zinc,
so if it doesn't get re-galvanized a new hole will be a seed for
rust growth.
-- 
 Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com    Happy Man Corp.  206/463-9399 x102
 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA  98070-7399  fax x108
 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor.  NextMail OK
Info free; sample $20: Send POSTAL addr: Solid-Value@happy-man.com
From: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu (Terry Quinn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Do SPOILERS Really Work???
Date: 22 Dec 1992 19:03:00 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



> As has already been pointed out, spoilers are not effective below 100 mph
> and since its illegal in the US to travel above 65 mph you might as well
> strip them off and save some fuel.
 
The rear spoiler that mounts on 1983 and newer Firebirds produced 
a measurable reduction in drag coefficient by smoothing the 
airflow over the rear of the car.  That would be something that 
would affect CAFE numbers at highway speeds.
 
I have a 1988 Dodge Lancer Shelby with spoiler mounted above the 
rear window at the tail of the roof, like the Supra.  I ran coast 
down time tests from 110 mph with and without the spoiler and was 
not able to discern any difference.  It is still on the car, 
however, because my wife likes its looks.
 

--
                                    Terry Quinn
                                     Germantown Hills, IL
                                      tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
from Compuserve . . .                  >INTERNET: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
From: co940@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Nicholas E. Damato)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Hot wheels/ Matchbox predjudiced against american cars?
Date: 23 Dec 1992 19:43:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I had a lousey experience x-mas shopping,
I tried to buy some Hot Wheels and matchbox cars for a friend
and a nephew. I cound't find any decent american cars to save
my life? Toyotas, miatas, BMWs, Mercedies, rangerovcers, ferrari
lamborghini, porche, ? sure great, i did find a corvette  and a       
Chevy Stock car, I was looking for Mustangs and related American
Muscle...
 
Am I getting that old? or is there a problem here?...
anyone have similar experience?
 
ned.
 
p.s. no VW's either...
From: hhd0@newshost.gte.com (Horace Dediu)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Car bras
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:04:59 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

In article <92357.110207SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET>, SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET writes:
|> The US seems to be the only country in the world that uses these 'Car
|> Bras' (correct me if I'm wrong). Whenever I see a car with one of these
|> vinyl sheets strapped to the bonnet, it's often one of those cars that
|> have those parking sensor probes sticking out of it, the hifi blaring out
|> through heavily tinted windows and driving conspicuously slowly so everyone
|> can notice 'the wheels'.The owner probably still has the polythene wrappers
|> on the front car seats!
|> 
|> No, Car Bras are very silly and if you don't tailgate (as has already been
|> pointed out by some sensible gentleman)you are very unlikely to need one.
|> 
|> Save your money and buy a small pot of touch-up paint...
|> 
|> Simon

Thanks for all the advice.
It has been overwhelmingly against the bras.  What I was concerned about is
protection against the enormous amount of debris that is thrown onto my car.
There is almost nothing I can do to protect it.  Most of the roads I travel
daily are under construction, furthermore the roads are sanded and/or salted
after every snowstorm.  You can hear the shower of particles hitting the car
every day.  Trucks are the biggest problem, and the potholes which dislodge
the missiles are here to stay.  I don't have a cosmetic fetish, but seeing
a new and expensive car get a 1/2 inch chip of paint removed in the first
two weeks of operation breaks my heart.  Some enterpreneur should consider
a solution which will not detract from the appearance of the car.  In the
meantime I'll grit my teeth and bear it.  Touch-up paint will retard rust, but
the appearance of the clearcoat is gone forever (and the car is black...sigh...)

-- 
Horace Dediu                                                  GTE Laboratories
(617) 466-4111                                                40 Sylvan Road
Internet: hdediu@gte.com                                      Waltham, MA 02254
From: aq456@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Terry Quinn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: LH test-drive results (by a buyer)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 17:29:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


> Article #78926 (79050 is last):
> From: esl_manager@gimme.uh.edu ()
> Newsgroups: rec.autos
> Subject: LH test-drive results (by a buyer)
> Reply-To: esl_manager@gimme.uh.edu ()
> Date: Tue Dec 29 17:29:56 1992
> 
> 
> Car tested: Dodge Intrepid, ES, 24-valves, V-6
> Date tested: 24th Dec. , 1992
> 
> Likes:
> 1) [Handling]: The handling was firm and sporty; I would say it felt
> like the Ford Taurus, Toyota Camry and maybe even the Maxima SE (but
> cannot match the Honda Acccord's handling).
 
I was just looking at Intrepids and it was pointed out that there 
are three handling packages, the regular, a touring package with 
225/60R16 tires on aluminum wheels, and a "performance" 
suspension with a more performance oriented tire.  I was able to 
drive the first two, but not the third.  There was considerable 
difference between the first two.  Do you know what version you 
drove?  (ES has the 225/60R16 tire size as standard, but on 
"Polycast" wheels, with the "touring" but not the "performance" 
suspension as standard). 
 
> 3) [Acceleration]: Above average to Good. Able to throw the driver to
> his seat but because the car is quite high, so it does not give you that
> feeling that you are accelerating fast, but you are, if you look at the
> speedometer. Do not expect the same feeling you will get in the Honda
> line of cars, though.
 
Using my stopwatch, I did some approximate zero to 60 runs, 
getting about 8.9-9.0 seconds.  It seemed strongest after it got 
up to about 20 mph.  I then took it on up to 110 mph with no 
problem, and it was eager for more, but given that the roads were 
starting to ice up, I chickened out.  Given the rate of 
acceleration at that point, however, I'm sure it would have been 
able to bury the 120 mph speedometer (unless it had a speed 
limiter circuit?).  
 
> 5) [Stingy dealer]: May be I was expecting too much, but I was only
> allowed to test-drive in an area that was less than 3 blocks! The reason
> given was to maintain a low mileage on the test cars. Was that being a
> little stingy or what?  In addition, no attempts were made to "sell" the
 
The dealer here gave it to me with no limits, I could have driven 
it all day if I wanted to.
 
It was also a windy day.  The Intrepid had virtually no wind noise, even
at 110 mph.  I wasn't thinking about it at the time, but when I got
back into my Lancer Shelby, I was really surprised how much I could
hear the wind gusts buffetting the car, which I had not heard in 
the Intrepid.
-- 
                                    Terry Quinn
                                     Germantown Hills, IL
                                      tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
                                       aq456@cleveland.freenet.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: murali@stretch.polymer.uakron.edu (Murali Cotah)
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 23:14:02 GMT

Keywords: 

How about this hypothetical one :

Yugo  - u go where it wants to go
If it was not funny, well you know whom to blame.

cotah 

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Subject: Re: toyota trucks
Keywords: full-size
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:18:33 GMT

In article <8055@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> bernardr@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Bernard J Rate) writes:

>Does anyone have experience of the new Toyota full-size truck? I am curious to know what engine they used and if its any good for towing serious loads.

no *direct* experience... but -- can you say 'pissant little sick, err, six
cylinder engine'?  can you say 'it has the same running gear/frame as the micro
truck'?  can you say 'it'll only tow somewhere around 5000lbs'?  can you say
'it is *half* the truck, for twice the money of a Dodge Dakota'?

Walt K.
Xref: sparky rec.autos:30301 rec.autos.tech:17054
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Tuesday, 22 Dec 1992 10:41:51 CET
From: <SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Do SPOILERS Really Work???
 <1992Dec13.225328.14446@nntp.hut.fi> <1h2vemINN4m8@access.usask.ca>
 <1992Dec21.011906.21726@u.washington.edu>

As has already been pointed out, spoilers are not effective below 100 mph
and since its illegal in the US to travel above 65 mph you might as well
strip them off and save some fuel.

Mind you I think my Supra looks gorgeous with its rear spoiler so I'll
keep mine purely for aesthetic reasons (apart from the fact that the
spoiler provides a neat place to install the third brake-light).

Simon - no disclaimers are necessary; it's common-sense!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hsd@swl.msd.ray.com (HERBERT DASILVA {75303})
Subject: Re: LH test-drive results (by a buyer)
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:41:47 GMT

jrs@cbnews.cb.att.com (jeff.sherota) writes:

>>   ...    you would know that I really try hard to buy American. Like
>                                                        ^^^^^^^^

>I believe the Chrysler LH cars are built in Canada.  True they are built in
>North America, but that's still not quite the same as being built in the
>U.S.A.  With GM moving Camaro/Firebird (and rumoring Corvette) production to
>Canada.  As well as Ford building several "domestic" cars outside the U.S.A.
>I think the US auto manufacturers could try harder to build cars in the US.

>                                      Jeff

    The LH cars undergo final assembly in Canada.  71% of the parts that go
  into the LH cars are made in the USA.  The vehicle was engineered and
  designed in the USA.  The vehicles are assembled in Canada because Canada
  has some law that makes assembling the vehicles there less expensive (it may
  have something to do with import tarriffs, I'm not sure), so Chrysler does
  final assembly there to take advantage of that situation, much the same way
  that Toyota and Honda do all the "real" work of building their cars in Japan
  (i.e. design, engineering, and manufacture of most of the critical
  components ), and then ship the cars over here to have American laborers do
  final assembly in the USA so they can say they "build" their cars in the
  USA.  Believe what you want...

	Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: antkasx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Ken A. Sturrock)
Subject: Re: Do SPOILERS Really Work???
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:56:55 GMT

jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:

>further improve lift.  At moderate spoiler angles no extension occurs,
>minimizing increased lift while still increasing drag significantly.

Are we still talking about spoilers, or have we moved on to flaps?

I've only seen spoilers on sail planes and some "high performance" planes,
they seem to extend straight up out of the wing to kill flow over the top
of the wing (affecting lift) and to cause a *lot* of drag to slow down.

Flaps, on the other hand, are used to change the geometry of the wing to 
provide better lift at low speeds.

I just wanted to make sure that the subject line was still correct.

Keep those cards and letters coming......


					-ks
From: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu (Terry Quinn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Date: 31 Dec 1992 12:46:14 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Lon Stowell writes . . .
 
> In article <1992Dec30.175319.18311@ll.mit.edu> psanders@ll.mit.edu (Pete Sanders) writes:
> >
> >Before buying a new Japanese car please read:
> >
> >       JAPANYES, (2nd edition)
> > 
> >monu6.cc.monash.edu.au. The most recent version is in pub/nihongo.
> >
> >       (ftp site)
> 
> 
>   Then go right ahead and buy whatever car you want to. 
> 
>   And while you're at it, send good ole jingoistic Pete some nice
>   friendly email telling him what a short-sighted simplistic
>   twit he is.   
 
Lon, don't know if you have taken the time to read JAPANYES, but I 
don't find it jingoistic.  I don't agree with everything in it, 
but there is enough validity and substance (based on my own 
experience in dealing with Japanese corporations) that I draw 
three conclusions, none of which do I consider "jingoistic" or 
"short sighted". 
 
1.  The Japanese corporations and government are more 
sophisticated in their competitive strategies than we are in the 
U.S.
 
2.  If we do not counter that sophistication with our own, and 
continue to erode the manufacturing base of the United States, we 
will be leaving our children a country where the standard of 
living is lower than that we have enjoyed.  If you think that we 
can maintain our standard of living with a "service economy", then 
you do not understand the difference in the depth of the value 
chain between service and manufacturing businesses.
 
3.  Those people who dismiss these problems and assume that 
matters will take care of themselves seem to be naive, or at the 
very least, "short sighted."
 

--
                                    Terry Quinn
                                     Germantown Hills, IL
                                      tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
from Compuserve . . .                  >INTERNET: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
From: miller@FS1.cam.nist.gov (Bruce R. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:33:38 GMT
Organization: NIST - Computing and Applied Mathematics Laboratory


In article <24570@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, David Wright writes:
>The pentastar originally stood for the 5 divisions of Chrysler.  At the time
>it first came out, these would have been Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto, Chrysler, and
>Imperial.  When DeSoto was phased out, Dodge trucks took it's place in the
> count.

Is this so? When was the pentastar introduced?

My mopar history may be rusty (my library's at home), but I thought
Chrysler corp formed in 1924 with Chrysler & Plymouth.
I believe they started inventing DeSoto the next year to fill in the gap,
but then ended up buying Dodge, too, in 1926.
Imperial, I dont know.

[is this close?]
From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Little Pocket Rockets...
Date: 21 Dec 1992 20:42:51 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Keywords: Any performance data been done on these?..

In article <1992Dec21.164635.2093@metter.fmpmis.metter.com> virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (P. Virgo) writes:
>
>Nissan Sentra SE-R
>
>Nissan NX 2000
>
>Mazda MX-3
>
>Geo Storm
>
>Have any of the car mags done head-to-head performance on these cars?
>Also, any personal opinions on any of these in the vein of performance 
>will be most heartily accepted

--Car and Driver did a comparison test of small sport coupes, including
  the Mazda MX-3 GS, Nissan NX 2000, and the Geo Storm GSi.  They finished
  from first to last in that order.  Personally, I'd pick the NX2000.  
  Although it has a four banger while the Mazda has the V6, the Nissan is
  torquier, and it shows at lower speeds.  The airbag and the t-tops are
  pluses, as well as the limited-slip differential up front, a rarity in
  front-wheel drive cars at any price.  Sure, it may look kind of goofy,
  but I haven't driven a more fun to drive inexpensive car than this.
  The Sentra SE-R doesn't have the same feel to it; it isn't quite as 
  tenacious in the corners, despite the same chassis and engine.

--Aamir Qazi

-- 

Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:40:44 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: na
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1992Dec24.195542.28289@mprgate.mpr.ca> tasallot@mprgate.mpr.ca (Mathew Tasalloti) writes:
>:( Pontiac "we build exitement"
>
>
>I thought Pontiac was supposed to be "The Heartbeat of America"!
>
    No, that's "today's Chevrolet".....
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: walsh@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Edward E Walsh)
Subject: CB Walkie-Talkie
Reply-To: walsh@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Edward E Walsh)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:10:03 GMT

I want to buy a 40 Channel CB Walkie-Talkie that could also be used in
a car.  Can anyone give me recommendations on any brand/model and features?
Are there any mail-order outfits?  Radio Shack has this model TRC-222 on sale
for $70.  However, it only has 2.5 watt RF output.  Is this sufficient? 
Has anyone heard of a brand called "Mid Land"?  Is it a reputable brand?
Any info is greatly appreciated.

Gower
From: roy@ecgcurly.UUCP (ecghub   Roy Kern)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Recommendations for a good aftermarket clutch for an 88 5.0 Stang?
Keywords: Inexpensive
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:43:04 GMT
Organization: Motorola Cellular Cad Group


Greetings.  I'm looking for a good but inexpensive aftermarket clutch for my
'88 Mustang GT.  I don't know what clutches go for, so feel free to take your
best guess to give me a good price/performance ratio.  Oh, and if you could
tell me where I can mail order it, I would even be more greatful. 

Any help is mucho appreciated.  Please email me if at all possible.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, oh thank you, thank you.....

Roy.
roy@mot.com   <--- Internet email address.  MUCH faster than hitting 'R'