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From: neilb@scs.leeds.ac.uk (Neil Bowers)
Subject: Sketch of BOB
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:06:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.072915.3655@arizona.edu> ian@ece.arizona.edu writes:
>
>No. Again, this was how BOB was originally explained. In the series the
>sketch of BOB was made from Cooper's description (in his dreams), not
>Sara Palmer's.

The sketch was made from Sara's vision of him.  Coop intentionally
stayed away when they were questioning her, and putting together the sketch
(he explained this by saying ``I'm a strong [psychic emanator]''
I don't remember the exact word he used).  When shown the picture later,
he said ``That's the same man I saw in my dream.  The eyes should be closer
together'', or something like that.

-neilb
From: v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: The English marathon this past spring (Possible SPOILER)
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:22:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Anyone else remember the marathon they ran in an English
theater this past April or so? 
   The fellow who posted on it wrote about a trailer for
FWWM, with what appeared to be post-"How's Annie" scenes,
as per the original plan for the film (3 segments, not 2).
What I want to know is: WHAT HAPPENED?!? Teresa Banks is 
nice, Laura's last week is a moderately ineresting prospect,
but I really want to find out what happens after 2021/2022!
The poster said there was a shot of The Waiting room Regulars
plus Josie and Hawk...Through other sources, I've found out
some other things...not nearly enogh to paste the story 
together, though. Does anyone have a script for FWWM with these 
scenes included? 
                                         George...
"Twelve rainbow trout!"
From: bvickers@net3.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
Subject: Re: Angels (was: Re: more on Gormonbozia (spoilers))
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Reply-To: bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:37:06 GMT

kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
>I concurr with ingria@BBN.COM that an angel did cut Ronette's bonds.

Well, the angel didn't explicitly come down with a knife and cut her bonds,
but after seeing the angel, Ronette noticed that her bonds were undone.
I think it's pretty safe to assume there's a connection.

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From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (J. Exby)
Subject: Re: FWWM shortchanged?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:23:52 GMT

sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:

>Am I the only one who believes that the lack of humor during the
>TP segment of the film worked. I thought that since the theme
>was more or less "Laura Palmer's decent into hell" that humor did
>not fit. I think that the intense darkness, the somberness of that

You are correct, and I feel exactly the same way.  Humor didn't
have much place in this story, and for those who "needed the humor"
to enjoy the movie, sorry.  No film handles situations exactly
the way you'd want (more humor, less humor), and I'd rather see what
the writers/creators have in mind than "fans whining for funny parts".

>of humor, the whole first part was damn funny, and really work to
>get me off guard for the TP section of the movie, and thus, at least
>for me made the TP part even more intense.

agreed - I can't get my mind off some parts of this movie,
interconnections and all.  brilliant.  it was like having a
disturbing nightmare, and you slowly recall more bits and bits
of it every day.

>Sally--Flame away--A. Wilson

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From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP:FWWM this and that. (movie SPOILERS)
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:02:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu



Ciao,

Joe Zitt made a good point that the movie was like a Passion Play in
that the viewers were expected to know the story prior to coming to
the flick. That is similar to the Greek plays wherein the crowd already
knew the stories of the gods, and the Greek heros prior to coming to
the tragedies/comedies. If you see a classical Greek play today without
knowing the backgrounds you would be completely lost. The play definitely
was for Peak fans, who knew the characters, the stories, the themes,
and motifs.


A end note: I just loved the beginning with the staticy (a real word?)
television. I may be reading too much into it, but one one level I found
it as a great inside joke: our televisions were dead, no TP on the air.
Then the axe coming down, again a joke on how the show was killed, hacked
to death by some yo-yo tv execs. But then.....the film starts and it might
be off the air, but it ain't dead.

Sally--


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From: mark@cambridge.apple.com (Mark Preece)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Just saw FWWM (possible *SPOILERS*)
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:45:42 GMT
Organization: Apple ATG
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Subject: Re: Just saw FWWM (possible *SPOILERS*)
From: Michael Kandall, kandall@nsg.sgi.com
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:53:02 GMT
In article <KANDALL.92Aug26205302@globalize.nsg.sgi.com> Michael Kandall,
kandall@nsg.sgi.com writes:

[... stuff about the movie ...]

>I have lot's of questions too, but I will wait for the experts to hack
>it to bits, shards, shreds and meat by-products next week.  I suspect
>it won't be pretty, either ...
>

Here's the only positive comment I've seen so far (the last paragraph of
a positive but not warm review in the Boston Phoenix):

"Don't simply be put off by the cascade of negative reviews. But know
before you go that Fire Walk with Me is like sticking your head down a
tuba. The pictures that reverberate from the mighty blast come from deep
inside somebody's organs. Lynch's, certainly. Who knows, maybe yours,
too."

Anybody heard anything *really* positive?

Mark.
From: tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Jack Nance
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:36:49 EDT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth) writes:

> 
> 	It seems Jack Nance was originally intended to reprise his role,
> Pete Martell, but his scenes were removed in the final cut of Fire Walk
> With Me.  What did Pete Martell do in the movie before he was removed?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
>    any turkey
>     can smoke!

Jack Nance's wife recently committed suicide. The events surrounding her 
death (sex & drugs) are eerily similar to the death of Laura Palmer.
From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Ring in FWWM
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 10:28:22 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

-> Was the symbol on the ring in FWWM the same symbol that was
-> on the wall of the cave near the end of the series?
Yes, it was the symbol on owl cave.
-> The part where the girl who played Annie Blackburn appeared
-> in Laura's bed was quite strange but made the whole story
-> seem quite circular.  She referred to Dale being inside the
-> lodge but being unable to get out -- something which occurred
-> near the end of the series.  It seemed like she was warning
-> Laura not to take the ring so that the whole series of events
-> would never occur.  It was like she was warning her from
-> a later point in time.  Did anyone else think this?
Rembur the therie that time goes backwords or at least works diferently in 
the lodges. Well that is proboly how she could know of events later in the 
series before they supposedly happened.

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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Thoughts
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:53:34 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <la87c1INNq99@news.bbn.com>, ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) writes:

>    The white horse means someone is drugged, not death.
> 
> It could also mean that Leland is going into his BoB phase...

But Frost (wasn't it?) stated in a radio or TV interview that the
white horse was a pooka, and signified death.
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From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: TP:FWWM spoilers
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:52:56 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

I loved the film. However, here in Ontario the censorship is very large
for movies and tv.  Although there was more nudity than tv could show
(just breasts and 2 seconds of pubic hair at a distance) there was certainly
less violence than TP the tv series had. The movie had more implied 
sleaziness.

I had read that there was a lot of violence and sex in the movie.  The
print I saw was so badly hacked up that there were obvious glitches and
pieces missing in the soundtrack.  A few jumps in continuity as well.
Theres no way that the film could have been conceived this way...It was
most certainly re-edited later without adjusting the soundtrack.

spoilers up ahead.....


The guy that Bobby shot.....At first I thought it was the Mountie that
appears in the second season. After he was dead I realized it couldn't have
been that same character (same actor????).  Then I thought it was the
Deputy from the first police station (the guy that gets his nose tweaked
by Desmond).  Sorry.....all goons with mustaches look the same to me.

Mrs. Tremond's grandson was played by David Lynch's son (in the tv series)
Was it the same actor in the movie????  Kinda didn't look like him, but then
again it is 1 year later and he's in that growing kind of ag

It was funny to see all the actors look 2+ years older even though it
took place before the pilot.  Especially James and his receded hairline.
Laura certainly doesn't have the body of a 17 year old. I think she's 25.


I was more interested by the first half-hour (the FBI part). In it I saw
stuff that was very new to me.  The security camera/Bowie sequence think
had my head spinning.  WOW!  I would love to see a movie/tv series that
dealt more with the weirdness going on there and the disappearance of 
Desmond and Bowie.  Perhaps the blue rose signifies Project Blue Book??

The Laura Palmer section was EXTREMELY well acted by Laura and Leland
(I don't know real names).  Although the sense of mystery or suspense
was lessened because I knew the outcome,  I still had goosebumps
when Laura said 'Good Night' and her mom said 'Good Night Laura'. From
then on I knew the specific chain of events leading to her death and it
was still spooky to actually see them acted out.  I would have loved to
hear Waldo say something he says just before he gets killed later in the
series.  

A friend of mine who ONLY saw the pilot said she loved the movie.  She 
says that it doesn't matter if you know the background of Harold Smith
or Mrs. Tremond or any of the other idiosynracies.  As a self contained
movie it went down extremely well in her book.  

But I can't help cherishing the fact that so many little things in the movie
were direct references.....like 'LET'S ROCK' written on Desmond's windshield.
Or the oil-soaked ground where the trailer used to be.

ferenc
From: jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jeremy Matthew Toeman)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: My thoughts
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:30:22 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

If I may simply state so, without re-quoting his entire message, I agree
with many of his thoughts, but would not have come up with most of them on
my own. While I agree with them, I also want to say that they do "bother"
me in a serious way. This whole FWWM discussion & flick (especially that
damned painting with the door) is really disturbing me...

---

Jeremy Toeman
412-268-4199     (anytime)



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From: rolo@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.lowsky)
Subject: White Face/Black Lips (FWWM Spoilers)
Keywords: FWWM, Ring, Twin Peaks
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:05:13 GMT


Hi folks!  Just saw FWWM a second time last night and would like to share
a few thoughts.

SPOILER BELOW!


I jumped clear out of my seat when Laura was grabbing Harold and we're flashed
with the image of Laura with white face and black lips.  Later, just after
Leland pushes Laura's plastic wrapped body into the water, there's a very
quick flash of Leland with white face and black lips.  Today, I recalled that
in the series, Wyndom also had this problem with his complexion (I think when
he was doing something to Leo).  So, what does this represent - the incarnation
of evil in some outwardly physical nature?

I'm convinced that the ring has a deeper meaning than has been discussed so far.

Following the ring's journey...
-Teresa Banks has ring.
-Teresa Banks' arm goes "dead".
-Teresa Banks is murdered.
-Someone removes ring from her body (presumably after the body is discovered).
-Agent Desmond finds ring on dirt mound under trailer.
-Agent Desmond disappears.
-LMFAP has ring ("With this ring, I thee wed.") in Laura's dream.
-Cooper tells Laura not to take ring in same dream.
-Laura wakes up with "dead" arm and ring in same arm's hand.
-OAM is wearing the ring when yelling at Leland.
-OAM throws the ring into train car as Bob attempts to possess Laura.
-Laura puts on ring - Bob/Leland cries "No, Don't make me do this!"

OK, now Leland takes the half-heart necklace off Laura's body and OAM has 
already left the scene, so Laura should still have the ring on.  However, 
by the time Cooper shows up to inspect the body, the ring is gone.  Did
Bob/Leland take it before wrapping her up or did the OAM retrieve it from
Laura's body (he was in the hospital when Cooper arrived)?

And in the script, but cut from the movie, Annie shows up in the hospital
wearing the ring.  What is it about that ring...

Roger
cimu03!smith@att.att.com
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: And now... my review...
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:03:39 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <i296PB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Tom Buzzeo) writes:
> I got the soundtrack yesterday night (finaly)... and I must say...
> It is definatly good.. though I thinks it could use without "Black Dog 
> Runs At Night". Fortuneatly, that's the shortest track on it :)
> It doesn't matter that some of the stuff doesn't sound "Peakish". It's 
> not supposed to... we are dealing with worlds other than our own here 
> now...
> 

Myself, I bought it for _The Sycamore Trees_. Ghod I love that song... so slow
and sad and more than a little erotic... seductive... AMAZING! Let's face it,
if Lynch decides to give up filmmaking, he could make big money as a songwriter


which reminds me...

The liner sayd David playes "percussion" on 2 songs. Since there is also credit
given for the drums, my bet it that's him on the moraccas (sp?).

Any other guesses?

Mike
Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 08:37:20 -0400 
From: Ken Miller <km46+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Jurgen Prochnow is the log lady's husband?

   In the credits, Jurgen Prochnow is listed as Woodsman.  I remember
from the series that the Log Lady said, "My husband was a logging man;
he met the devil."
What does everybody think about Jurgen being the Log Lady's husband?



                    Ken 'You remind me of a small, Mexican chihuahua' Miller
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Life is too good.
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:20:30 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Life is just too good.

A local radio station is *giving* away free passes to FWWM for anyone who
donates a can of food to the food bank.

*and* I just bought the FWWM disk. It wasn't what I'd expected, but it *is* 
very good.

*and* I bought a copy of the Tibetan Dance Mix of Rocking Back Inside my Heart
(if you want a tape, email me, we'll talk).

Counting the hours now.....
Mike (quivering with anticipation)
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Black Lodge Tarot.
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:48:08 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: edrury@3cpu.rain.com's message of 2 Sep 92 10:34:14 GMT

In article <4239@3cpu.rain.com> edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury) writes:
   In article <1992Sep1.192900.7259@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
   >
   >I was jjst thinking... not only did Aleister Crowley write "moonchild", 
   >he also designed a set of Tarot cards. Does anyone out there have this set?
   >How is it different from, say, the Rider tarot cards? Maybe there's a himt in 
   >the cards...

    For every card, Crowley includes ties to the Hebrew alphabet, numerology,
   astrology and alchemy. If he made films, he'd probably would have been
   David Lynch's mentor.

I don't believe these links are novel to Crowley.  He was just making
exoteric magic(k)al links that esoteric organizations like the Golden
Dawn had postulated for a long time.

-30-
Bob
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: ah85270@tut.fi (Haverinen Anssi)
Subject: Re: TwinPeaks GIFs?
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:04:03


In article <1992Sep1.152224.10890@news.uit.no> perk@stud.cs.uit.no (Per-Ivar Knutsen) writes:

   Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Path: cc.tut.fi!news.funet.fi!sunic!aun.uninett.no!news.uit.no!stud.cs.uit.no!perk
   From: perk@stud.cs.uit.no (Per-Ivar Knutsen)
   Keywords: GIF
   Sender: news@news.uit.no (USENET News System)
   Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
   Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:22:24 GMT

   Anyone that knows where to find/have lots of GIF pictures from the TwinPeaks 
   series. Especially interested in the female acters (Sherilyn Fenn)...


   Please R E P L Y sooooooon... (Waiting eagerly!)


try nic.funet.fi
/pub/pics/gif/pics/tv+film/twinpeaks

they usually have something
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From: stevens@scubed.com (Jeff Stevens)
Subject: FWWM - first impressions/audience reaction
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 05:06:21 GMT

  Good movie overall.  A little weak at the beginning and the
end, but excellent in the middle.  Did a better job of separating
the dream world from the real world than some of the television
episodes.  Should have ended with the angel appearing over Nicolas Cage.

  The reaction of the audience was interesting.  The
first 45 minutes the audience was giggling and laughing
almost constantly.  Then when the story moved to Twin Peaks, 
and Laura Palmer appeared, there was dead silence for the rest
of the film.

  Hope it does well enough for a sequel!

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From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Gormonbozia
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:47:13 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

Spoilers...



















In article <asdga24aaoiy483@xcf> blojo@xcf.berkeley.edu (Jon Blow) writes:
>> 2.) Do they *need* to cosume the pain and suffering
>>     or do they do it for some other reason?
>
>Perhaps they are addicted to it.

This is a *very* interesting theory.  Remember the extreme close-up at the
end of the mouth sucking up the creamed corn from the spoon?  Consider...

- The spoon was clean and shiny as a mirror afterwards.  We earlier saw
an extreme close-up of Laura snorting cocaine from a mirror.

- The corn was sucked off a spoon.  Earlier we saw Laura snorting cocaine
from a spoon.

I think we're on to something here.

__   -paul asente
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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: grey hair
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:05:42 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <KANDALL.92Sep1170900@globalize.nsg.sgi.com> kandall@nsg.sgi.com (Michael Kandall) writes:

>Why did Leland's hair turn white in the TV series?  I thought it was
>because BOB had taken over his mind/body/soul.  Coop said he should
>have realized earlier that BOB's grey, greasy hair, and the sudden
>change in Leland's hair was related.

>In the movie, it seems that BOB had controled Leland from long ago.

I think the change came about because Leland's actions AS LELAND were
getting more Bob-like.  Apparently his killing of Jacques was his own
act, not that of BOB.  Also, while his attack on Jacoby has been
labeled an act of BOB by the producers, his sneaking out to follow Maddy
earlier in that episode seems to have been Leland acting on his own.

Before BOB could assert control over Leland only for moments.  Now Leland
himself is becoming more BOB-like -- one of Robert's children.  Now that
he has become a creature of BOB, able to commit violent acts free from guilt
or shame (like killing Jacques), he is marked by the appearance of BOB.

Sound good?