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From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: CCP is China's hope
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:12:34 GMT

In article <93004.090512YUL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> YUL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA writes:
>> CCP is China's hope.
>
>I totally agree with you!
As it required courage to disgree with CCP and express it in the past when the
political climate was not so forgiving when we were in China, it requires
courage to agree with CCP too now. The key should be weather CCP's policy
serve Chinese people, person or group of people should not be the factor in 
wheather we support them or not, wheir political stands  should be.
Within the CCP, it looks like there is adequate democracy, central committee
members are elected by party members. I have a vision that CCP can be
converted to an party that has no fixed political stands, only thing it stands
for is to serve the people, serve China's national interests. And party member
should be elected by the people to put the party on check. And Party members
are obligated by party rules wich should be agreed upon by the people. Then
those who make major decision about the country are not mobs, like in 
West "democracy", they have to have certain qualification to be able to vote.
We should not have whole sale Westen style "democracy", it should be
discraminately selelcted to serve China. Be a copycat, can only be a cat, you
can never be a tiger. We should avoid those problems existing in Westen
"democracy", example: there is no demand from the people in voting, people
then carelessly, or poor infomed about the related subject in voiting;
in U.S. each state's congressman fight each other for the benifit of the
state they represent, this worked ok when each state was a severente before,
right now, it becomes one of major obsticle for efficiency. If each
congressman is elected by the whole country, and each year elect sub set of
total congressman, it should avoid the problem.
those are just examples, not neccessary to implement that way. But the point
is that China should search her own way in governing, and do not hesitate
to borrow from others under the condiation it is throughly thought over.

Current prestige CCP enjoyed should be temporiry for the necessay transitional
period, in the future CCP should earn her privalag.
At same time, we should not entrust fully on CCP, alway keep an eye on them,
will not hesitate to rise up against her if we see her deeds is not serveing
the nation, the people. The future and destiny of our nation is too important
to be entrusted fully to anybody, no matter how good they are.

chunde
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: help on books
From: shi@physc1.byu.edu
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:21:31 -0700
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University

Those who are familiar with MANOVA (multivariate analysis of variance) please 
introduce to me some easy to read and understand books on the subject.  Thanks.
From: tgray@igc.apc.org (Tom Gray)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: IPS: China in Population Squeeze
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:07:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1472500019:000:2925
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!tgray    Jan  4 15:07:00 1993


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VCopyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: CHINA: Little land left to feed world's biggest population


an inter press service feature

by deirdre godfrey

beijing, dec 7 (ips) --  as china fast runs out of arable lands
to support its ever-growing population, even its efforts to catch
up with the industrialised world is taking a backseat.

the country's highest governing body, the state council, has
issued a circular prohibiting townships from setting up
industrial development zones, which have proved to be the key to
china's surging economy.

but such industrial parks are eating up china's already
limited reserves of precious farmland, raising the potential for
an agricultural crisis.

''it is inevitable that some farmland will be used during
china's current rapid economic development,'' said the state
council circular released last month, ''but the misuse of land --
especially limited arable land -- has to be halted.''

with more than one billion mouths to feed, china supports
almost a quarter of the world's population -- the biggest
globally -- on only seven percent of its arable land.

a national report on development and the environment says that
while the country's population increases by 15 to 17 million
people a year, its cultivated land shrinks by an average of
300,000 hectares annually.

at present, china has only 0.08 hectares of farmland per
person, or one-fourth of the world average. officials say the
rate of shrinkage has slowed in recent years, but add that a
potential for crisis still looms.

part of the reason lies in soil erosion, which
environmentalists say threaten at least one-third of the
country's total farmlands.

in mid-november, the ministry of water resources released a
report showing that 18 percent of the total national territory
has suffered soil erosion, and described the problem as ''still
growing''.

to prevent the loss of more agricultural land, the state
council has ordered all development zone projects, including
those currently under construction, to undergo full feasibility
studies before being submitted for approval.

it also emphasised that in all cases, the zones should not
occupy large tracts of arable land but should be on wasteland,
including beaches and non-agricultural
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Tom Gray (tgray@igc.apc.org)
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CCP is China's hope
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:49:37 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <C0Ctwy.F1w@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <93004.090512YUL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> YUL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA writes:
>>(deleted)
>We should not have whole sale Westen style "democracy", it should be
>discraminately selelcted to serve China.

It sounds right, but the problem is: who is in charge of such selecting?
Zhang ZhiDong suggested this "discraminately selelction" 100 years ago,
and Lu Xun repeated this 60 years ago, and Mao selectively got Stalinism:-(

Put history aside, could you please answer me this question?

-- 
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organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Rumor: U.S. Selling Nuke Sub to Taiwan?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:59:55 GMT

In article <8JAN199314253238@jane.uh.edu> math1pu@jane.uh.edu (Douglas Luo) writes:
>In article <ROTEN.93Jan8130511@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov>, roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten) writes...
Taiwan itself is not the problem for China, people behind it is. Attacking
Taiwan, is like hit the hand that offend you, it will not solve the problem,
you should hit the heart or head.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: comments
Subject: Re: war
Organization: Queen's University, Kingston
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:31:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.154310.25500@fuug.fi>, an3879@anon.penet.fi writes:
|> 
|> The next war will be the U.N. versus China.
|> I believe China will lose, but not before killing
|> tens of millions of its enemies in a nuclear exchange.
|> 
|> After this war, the survivors in China will win the race to rebuild
|> civilized society.  Whereas the survivors in Europe will begin to
|> wage tribal and ethnic wars among themselves.  In North America, anarchy 
|> will reign supreme and a race war breaks out as the different races 
|> begin to slaughter each other, the race war being triggered by massive
|> looting by the survivors of the Negroid race.  Another race war ensues
|> in Australia as the remnants of the white race wages a genocidal campaign
|> to "clean" their continent of the "Yellows".
|> 
|> India and the Arab countries which manage to stay out of the nuclear
|> war begin to expand.  The Arab nations begin to expand northward into
|> Europe as they had in the past.  The Hymmilayan mountains, however, protects
|> China from and slows down Indian expansion.
|> 
|> In less than 15 years after the nuclear exchange, China manages to rearm
|> and build more nuclear devices.  It uses them against Australia first as
|> revenge and to "clean" the continent of "whites".  After this innitial
|> success in Australia, China's confidence grows and then the Chinese 
|> embark on the path of world conquest.  Due to the fact that Europe and
|> North America were still in the state of anarchy, the Chinese quickly
|> overrun both Europe and the Americas in less then a few months.
|> 
|> Since the Chinese had no quarrals with India and the Arab nations, a 
|> treaty was signed with them to divide up the world.
|> 
|> 
|> 
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The author knows nothing but racist hatred and stupid bloody killings.
-- 
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From: math1pu@jane.uh.edu (Douglas Y. Luo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Am I virtually in US ? (was RE: A poor soul in Shanghai)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:04 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan12.023621.11284@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes...
>In article <C0pvFB.LJ7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wdm0345@SSE!ocht!oshi%himen%china.central.edu%sinonet (Wang Da Ming) writes:
>>hi there WORLD!
>>do you read me ?
>>if so please say so.
>>a poor soul in China...
>>at the exchange...
>>wdm
>>
> 
>Let's do something interesting then...How 'bout five bucks an hour working
>as an inside trader for me?
> 
>Or are you just a late night janitor stealing into the central intelligence
>mainframe from an unattended terminal?
> 
>FY

Cut this shit out, you little jerk. Don't hurt yourself now.




Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34029 soc.culture.taiwan:16790
From: mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl (Martijn van der Valk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: weapon sales to Taiwan
Keywords: weapons, Taiwan
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:02:57 GMT
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science

Dear netters,

Many Taiwanese Chinese seem to be in favour of a strong Taiwan that can defend
itself against military intervention and they seem to agree on their government
buying Western weapon systems.

I was wondering about the following. The currently most likely candidate to
attack Taiwan is mainland China. Do the people of Taiwan realise that in that
case, Western weapons would (again) be killing Chinese?

According to the Dutch/French sinologist Kristoffer Schipper, the economic
success of mainland China will lead to a decline of the economic power of
Japan. He foresees another Sino-Japanese war in the coming 50 years.

Imagine the following scenario: the mainland starts a (small) military
intervention against Taiwan because the TI movement has become too powerful
or whatever reason they come up with: civil war in the Pacific, Chinese
butchering Chinese for the better of the Chinese people, no doubt.

Japan, loyal to the Taiwanese as ever, tells the US that they will take care of
the poor island and start to ``help'' the Taiwanese forces.

Result: Japan and China are again at war...

Like to hear your opinions on this scenario. Thanks in advance!

Martijn

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: gerolima@netlabs.com (Your worst nightmare)
Subject: Lookin' fer Mao Pins / Zhao3 Mao2 Zhu3xi2 Xiang4zhang4
Summary: Wan sui, wan sui, wan, wan sui!
Originator: gerolima@fuzzball.netlabs.com
Organization: The Jolly World of Mr. Prunekis
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:19:00 GMT

	Is there anyone out there (including China! :-) who could 
	assist me in locating some 1960's Mao pins? I have very many, 
	and am looking for ceramic and/or some flashy metal/plastic ones.

	For those who may wonder why I would want to collect these things,
	about the only anwser I can think of is "they're pretty". I collect
	other Chinese political stuff (you Nationalists fear not, I have some
	1930's KMT posters, too...I am NO Maoist). If fact, I'd also be 
	interested in posters, records, etc...

	Please e-mail to this account, or write me (Chinese is okay) at:

			Mark Gerolimatos
			PO Box 958
			San Carlos, California
					94070
			USA

	Thanks,

================================================================================
Mark Gerolimatos
gerolima@cs.stanford.edu	"Righteousness comes ONLY from Jesus Christ...
	@netlabs.com		       ...NEVER from an apron." -Jack T. Chick
================================================================================
P.S. Hi, Yong.
From: cao@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Kevin Cao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Chinese Chess game for Macintosh?
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:51:18 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services

Dear netters,
	Is there a Chinese chess game for the Macintosh?  Please
e-mail any info that you have to me at cao@ucselx.sdsu.edu

thanks

Kevin Cao
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: rumor: u.s. selling nuke
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 10 Jan 93 03:56:29 EST

In Article: <ROTEN.93Jan8130511@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov>
   Subject: Rumor: U.S. Selling Nuke Sub to Taiwan?
      From: roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten) writes:

>Plus diplomatic saber-rattling which is counterproductive to the PRC's
>own interests.  Maybe Xiaowen Li's (lix@thames.bu.edu) SOS China
>Education Fund should send the PRC policymakers a few hundred copies of
>Machiavelli's 'The Prince', translated into Mandarin ???  :-)

Regarding the PRC-HongKong disputes on further democratization,
I'm still waiting for one of those "patriotic" defenders of the CCP to
translate that article written by Xinhua's #2 man, from Chinese to
English.......  :-)

It must be that guy's argument was too weak, otherwise our many very
able "patriotic" defenders would be more than willing to share the
glory in defending the "national interest"   :-)
--
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dwong@chopsuey.pico ( paganini's admirer )
Subject: Re: UN's identity crisis
Reply-To: dwong@chopsuey.pico
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:08:57 GMT

In article 13453@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca, yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.022822.21912@Princeton.EDU> afriend@dew.Princeton.EDU (A. Friend) writes:
>> [deleted]
>>
>>Later, when a call-in viewer was asked if she said U.N or U.S., she replied
>>"Everybody knows U.N. is just U.S."
>>
>
>I was sending postcards to friends when I visited UN last year. In the little
>post office there were several slots for people to drop off their letters.
>I noticed that the slot for mail to USA was listed as "domestic". Was this
>an inadvertent mistake or an honest confession to the truth?
>
>Anyone from @UN?
>
>FY

FYI
I don't see any mistake nor confession in that trivial sign at all.  Isn't that a good
idea to help NY's post office for prompt delivery?  If you go to Vatican City in Rome,
you will see the same thing.

dw.  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lix@crsa.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Subject: Re: Illiteracy Rate in PRC
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:31:27 GMT

x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) wrote [about literate rate]:
>The last census result shows that the general population
>of China is something like > 75% LITERATE in 1990.

Thanks for citing the source. If my memory does not fail, I think it
is something like 73.3%, very close to your number.

But, well, I still doubt this number, because of the definition of
"LITERATE" and the way the data were collected. According to report,
in that census, the item was defined as "whether the person can read
or write", this is a very vague definition, and there was no proof or
certificates required. So there was very large room for this number being
an overestimated or underestimated one according to the political climate.
I don't know where you are from, city or villages, but you may ask around
your friends from villages, whether they believe this number.

One may enjoy this number. But one should not use this number as an excuse
for not doing anything for promoting China's education. Otherwise, you
have to disprove the following ststement:

"There are currently 229 million illiterates in China.
One in every four illiterates in the world is a Chinese.
Each year, over one million children in China are unable
to attend school because of poverty. Of 679 counties rated
as poor in China, the problem of feeding and clothing the
population has not yet been solved. So there are no funds
for children to buy essential stationery and books for
attending school."

What do you think? Is this a lie? I think it is very close to
truth. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Newer China (was Newwer China)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:37:17 GMT

Subject: Re: Newwer China
             ^^^^^^

Can everybody kindly change 'newwer' to 'newer' ? 
Please be serious in the spelling, otherwise how could China be 'newer', 
if the spelling is wrong.

Yi-Chieh
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 4 Jan 1993 12:25:22 EST
From: Robert Pan <IO11043@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Qi Gong experiment from QingHua Univ., Beijing
 <1993Jan3.191658.18531@schaefer.math.wisc.edu>
 <C0ApnK.5yH@ulowell.ulowell.edu> <105976@bu.edu>
 <1993Jan3.220853.4205@vax.cns.muskingum.edu>
 <SOSC1069.93Jan3234058@highway.yorku.ca>

In article <SOSC1069.93Jan3234058@highway.yorku.ca>, sosc1069@highway.yorku.ca
(Ming He) says:
>
>A group of professionals at QingHua Univ. has conducted an experiment
>about exceptional abilities (te4 yi4 gong1 neng2).
>
>There is a vedio showing that a special person can drag iron wire from
>a sealed glass bottle without breaking it.  Is this believable?
>
>I was told Yan2 Xin1 also cooperate with this group of professionals
>in an experiment to change the structure of water to something useful
>by his magic force.  I did not hear any successful report yet.
>
>There are reports that there are such special mankind world around.
>Some of them were used for the war.
>
>
>--
>Ming He                                   sosc1069@reader.yorku.ca
>From Beijing, China.  Like to watch to the transference of data.

Many of those Qi Gong experiments may be considered the highest national
secreats. There was a research group at Tsinhua University called
Qi Gong Ke Yan Xie Zhuo Zhu, but it's not an official group, just a
group of Qi Gong funs under the cap of the Union( Go Hui ). Under current
situation, one can imagine how this kind of group works.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34230 soc.culture.hongkong:16910 soc.culture.taiwan:16860 talk.politics.china:3613
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Guangxi massacre (Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi... )
Date: 8 Jan 1993 21:24:19 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin
Keywords: The CCP blood debts increased

In article <C0Jv1K.C3n@cmcl2.nyu.edu> yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:
>
>>>From 1958-1959
>>   One million Tibetans were killed by the PLA.				 1 M
>
>This cannot be true, do you know the population of Xizang (Tibet) at that time?
>
Read carefully from the source. If you have questions, ask the original poster.
Afterwards, the CCP is the number one killer in all Chinese tyrancy killing.
The number been killed by the CCP may be more than the total number that got
killed by various tyrants. Qin Shi Hunag killed millions of Chinese, his
dynasty collapsed right after his death. The CCP has killed many times more 
than that got killed in Qin. How come the CCP is the hope of China?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Guangxi massacre (Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi...)
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:36:06 -0500
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1993Jan10.184443.23960@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>, Lei@bnos.csd.bldrdoc.gov writes:
> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) wrote:
>>In article <C0Jv1K.C3n@cmcl2.nyu.edu> yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:
>>
>>>>>From 1958-1959
>>>>   One million Tibetans were killed by the PLA.     1 M
> 
> Don't you try to cover it up for CCP. Only one million? Any reasonable
> people would guess at least a couple of billion Tibetans were killed
> by you Chinese.
> 
>>
>>>This cannot be true, do you know the population of Xizang (Tibet) at that time?
>>>
>>Read carefully from the source. If you have questions, ask the original poster.
>>Afterwards, the CCP is the number one killer in all Chinese tyrancy killing.
>>The number been killed by the CCP may be more than the total number that got
>>killed by various tyrants. Qin Shi Hunag killed millions of Chinese, his
>>dynasty collapsed right after his death. The CCP has killed many times more
>>than that got killed in Qin. How come the CCP is the hope of China?
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> No, the KMT is the hope of China. But Jiang3 Gai1S13(deserve to die)
> was too selfish. 44 years ago, he took his troops to Taiwan for a long
> nice vacation but never concerned the maimland people. He might have an
> excuse at that time because his adoptive father Truman did not sell
> F-16 to him. Now with 150 F-16, we are sure that Li Huan of Taiwan has the
> capability to liberate the mainland people. And the Mr. See Far's
> prediction for 1992 can be changed to anytime when the delivery of
> those F-16 is made.

	*** How naive and simplistic!  Military action is no solution to
whatever problems there exist in the Mainland.  Besides, the KMT is in no
way militarily comparable with the CCP.  Don't overestimate the forces of
some F-16s.  The CCP may not be the hope of China, but the KMT is no best
alternative.  The true hope of China is the Chinese people.  We need no more 
simplistic emotional China bashing.  Let's try to understand history in
historical contexts and work for a promising future.
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