HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: CSCE minority commissioner on LATVIA
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:33:59 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <gunars.728091450@spssig> gunars@spss.com (Gunars V Lucans) writes:


>goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:


>Nor did I accuse you, Alex, of lying.  

	No you did, Lucans. Just ten lines below.

>I simply listed it as one of
>only four possible choices.  I put it towards the end of the list as
>well.  The only choice of lower probability was that there really
>exists legislation barring your friend from being a citizen because
>her father is an ethnic Russian.

>>    I am going to find one of those letters - I get them on 
>>    a regular basis - translate it, and post it to this 
>>    newsgroup.  It is going to be fun to read, I promise.

>Great, I don't get a chance to read fiction much lately :-).

	There.

	Misha.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:10768 soc.culture.soviet:12457
From: ken@Bridge.COM
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: New Banknotes
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:38:18 GMT
Organization: Planet Earth

TASS reported today that the presidium of the Russian parliament
decided today to issue new banknotes in denominations of 100, 200,
1000, and 5000 roubles.  They will circulate with the old notes; there
will be no exchange.  It is aimed, "to strengthen the protection of the
Russian national currency."  The move was iniated by the central bank.

The notes will carry the Russian flag and a picture of the Moscow
Kremlin, according to the chairman of the parliamentary  commission on
budget, taxes, plans, and prices, A. Pichinok.  He did not say whether
Lenin's portrait will remain or be expunged.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi (Tapani Hietaniemi)
Subject: CSCE minority commissioner in ESTONIA
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:05:31 GMT


This was a part of the ESTONIAN news posted previously. Still,
it is important to point out that the minority situation in
Estonia is being scrutinized by a Commissioner of the Conference
on Security and Co-operation in Europe. This is done due to
the Estonian invitation.

---------------------------------------------------------------
>             CSCE MINORITY REPRESENTATIVE IN ESTONIA
>
> On January 12, CSCE High Commissioner on National Minorities,
> Max van der Stoel, arrived in Estonia in order to review and
> gain an objective picture of the present condition of minority
> relations in Estonia. Foreign Minister Trivimi Velliste
> described the problems of Russian troop withdrawal from
> Estonia, and informed him of the nuances in present
> negotiations with Russia. Mr van der Stoel stated his interest
> in Estonian citizenship issues, and the status and integration
> of immigrants who arrived in Estonia during Soviet occupation.
> Mr Velliste expanded on the problems posed by former Soviet
> Army and KGB officers in Estonia and the participation of non-
> citizens in local elections.
>
> Mr van der Stoel, accompanied by his assistant Rob Zaagman and
> professor Alan Rosas, also met with Estonian President Lennart
> Meri, who spoke about the present condition of the economy and
> foreigners in Estonia. The president stressed that a
> difference must be made between those individuals applying for
> Estonian citizenship and those individuals who were sent here
> by Soviet colonization policies. Mr Meri also explained the
> plight of Finno-Ugric peoples in Russia. Mr van der Stoel
> expressed his hope that the CSCE delegation will obtain an
> objective picture of Estonian national minorities.
>
> On January 15, Mr van der Stoel travelled to Narva and met
> with members of the Narva city council and government, deputy
> director of the Kohtla-Ja"rve Oil Shale Processing factory and
> visited the Viru Information Centre. On the last day of his
> visit, Mr van der Stoel also met with the leaders of the
> Russian Orthodox church in Tallinn.
----------------------------------------------------------------

So, we must still wait for the CSCE evaluation on the minority
situation in Estonia.

with best regards
the observer
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum
From: Howard Frederick <hfrederick@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:36 PST
Subject: Europe in Turmoil*Media*Call4Papers
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483700098:000:2526
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hfrederick    Jan 24 15:36:00 1993


From: Howard Frederick <hfrederick>
Subject: Europe in Turmoil*Media*Call4Papers

                [ Please respond to hfrederick@igc.apc.org ]
                     Call for Papers*Deadline Extended

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         INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR MASS COMMUNICATION RESEARCH

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"transnationalization of civil participation."  

     The International Communication Section seeks papers for two panels 
describing the scope and impact of channels promoting communication and 
democracy in Europe's civil societies.  From the environment to women, from 
neighborhood conflict resolution to computer networks, from radio to 
publishing, from universities to the labor movement:  Civil society is 
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     Paper abstracts accepted until February 15.  Important:  Final papers 
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From: covdy@SHEMESH.METAPHOR.COM (Ivan Covdy)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Greetings from an AI program!
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:16:50 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Followup-To: talk.politics.soviet

in article <q3LPXB1w165w@bwalk.dm.com>, simvlad@bwalk.dm.com (Artificial
 Intellect) says:

[......]

> --
> This posting was generated by an artificial intelligence program.

In fact, it sounds more like artificial _stupidity_.

--
  Ivan Covdy, covdy@shemesh.metaphor.com, METAPHOR Inc.,  CA,  USA
 *** People are looking for a Mind somewhere in the Universe,      ***
 *** because on the Earth they've been finding only the Stupidity. ***
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi (Tapani Hietaniemi)
Subject: CSCE minority commissioner on LATVIA
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:54:09 GMT

Instead of arguing about the minority situation on the Baltic
states with unsufficient information, it might be more fruitful
to read some evaluations on the situation that are made by some
third party or respected international organisations.

Here a briefing of the standpoint of the minority rights commissioner 
of the Conference of Security and Co-operation in Europe:

------------------------------------------------------------------
CSCE COMMISSIONER ON MINORITY RIGHTS IN LATVIA. CSCE High
Commissioner on Minorities Max van der Stoel told Latvian Supreme
Council Chairman Anatolijs Gorbunovs and Foreign Minister Georgs
Andrejevs that he had not observed any abuses of ethnic minority
rights of non-Latvians who are citizens of the republic, but noted
that the status of residents whose future was yet undecided is a
matter of some concern, BNS reported on 21 January.  The high
commissioner recommended that the citizenship law be adopted
immediately after the parliamentary elections and suggested
publishing booklets explaining the key legislation in easily
understandable language.  Dzintra Bungs, RFE/RL, Inc.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
 
sent without comment
by the observer
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum

Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
From: simvlad@bwalk.dm.com (Artificial Intellect)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Greetings from an AI program!
Date: 21 Jan 93 04:24:01 GMT

This program, 'SimVlad', is an artificial intelligence simulation of a typical
Soviet emigre. Dimitri 'Agric' Vulis discusses his genitals in his Usenet
postings. Yasser 'Vulis' Arafat clearly hates me. Dima should learn some
English by now. The wonder child from CUNY don't speak the English. V.I.Lenin
is mentally retarded. The wonder child from CUNY buys caviar with foodstamps.
Vilus has applied for a job here, but I turned him down. Vulgaris is an
antisemite. Vulvis is full of it, and smells like it too. Dima has sold his
soul to anti-Semitic yellow press. V.I.Lenin is too stupid to appreciate my
postings. That stupid faggot is a drug pusher. 'Goy Boy' is a victim of an
unsuccessful abortion, where only his brains were scraped out. Vilus was
conceived during an anal intercourse. Vladimir Ulyanov (Vulis) is too stupid to
appreciate my postings. Dima is a KGB agent. That stupid faggot has vowed to
urinate on my grave. Dimitri clearly hates me. That shiksa is a card carrying
member of PLO and der Shalom Achshav. V.I.Lenin buys caviar with foodstamps.
Mr. Vulis is a drug pusher. Dimitri 'Agric' Vulis can and will to use anything
I say against me. V.I.Lenin don't speak the English. Doghead can and will to
use anything I say against me. Dimitri voted for Bush. Vladimir Ulyanov (Vulis)
buys caviar with foodstamps. The wonder child from CUNY violates Usenet
etiquette. Yasser 'Vulis' Arafat is a typical 'sovok'. Dimochka is a drug
pusher. Yasser 'Vulis' Arafat is 'gavno'.

--
This posting was generated by an artificial intelligence program.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:10711 soc.culture.soviet:12387
From: burshtey@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Alexander Burshteyn)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: s NAU^NOJ TO^KI ZRENIQ, OTKUDA BER$TSQ TAKOE GOWNO, KAK wLADISLAW?
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:26:08 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.soviet
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan25.191121.13718@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu> milsh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Alex Milshteyn) writes:
>
>BTW, govno ili gavno? I vsegda dumal, chto vtoraia versiia verna.
>Opinions appreciated.

A Vladimir Il'ich, naprimer, vsegda dumal, chto pervaya versiya verna, kakovuyu
on i upotreblyal v nekotorykh svoikh stat'yakh. Tak chto, i na etot shchet
tsitatka iz Lenina est'.

>Alex

Alex
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)
Subject: Re: CSCE minority commissioner on LATVIA
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:53:55 GMT

In article <gunars.728091450@spssig> gunars@spss.com (Gunars V Lucans) writes:

>
>>    No, this is a rule, not exception.  At to the human rights
>>    inspection teams not finding any violations, during WWII 
>>    Red Cross teams inspecting German concentration camps
>>    reported no atrocities either.
>
>Red Cross teams found no atrocities in Germany; human rights teams are
>finding no violations now; therefore, there must be atrocities now.
>Is this really your argument?

Is it really a sample of Lucans' reading skills (not to mention logic) ?
We saw in this group endless discourses kinda " Comission from ABCDE 
not found any violation of human rights there ergo they don't exist"
From: LODEESENJ@ADMINB.RFERL.ORG (Username was LODEESEN)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Robert Conquest's _The Great Terror_F
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:57:35 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@INDYCMS.BITNET>

It is an interesting coincidence that the question on whether any mass murderers
have been tried for their crimes should appear the day after the loyal
celebrated the birthday of the "martyred" leader of Romania's mass murders.
Since the event was so dramatic and the faces of the couple so compellingly
mixed what seemed to be equal portions of revulsion against those who would
dare touch them and what would happen to them, I for one lost total track of
the legal issues.  Who, by what authority tried them?  How was that authority
consituted?  In the case of other countries in which mass murder has occurred
and where the judiciaries have yet to establish tradition, practice, standards
of independence or even observance of any modern code, how would the trial be
conducted?  Where is the line that the person raising the issue, Stephen
Grossman (from the track above the message, do I have it right?), would draw
between the responsible for initiation and for complicity, etc.  I agree that
this would be of interest, at least to me, though chilling.
Jon L.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:10709 soc.culture.soviet:12380
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:24:10 EST
From: Boris A. Veytsman <BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: CSCE minority commissioner on LATVIA

In article <C1F3wI.71E@apollo.hp.com>, goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring)
says:
>
>
>    A couple of weeks ago I received a letter from somebody whose late
>    mother was an ethnic Latvian and a citizen of Latvia (born there
>    before 1940, lived there all her life, and buried in Riga).
>    That person is being denied citizenship because of non-Latvian
>    father.
>
>    However, it would be unfair to characterize Lhe Latvian
>    citizenship practices as being Nazi-like: the Nazis generally
>    recognized half-Germans as "volksdeutche" (sp?), did they not?
>

No, they did not. Volksdeutche were, if I remember correctly, ethnic
Germans born outside Germany (as different from Reichsdeutche).

So far Latvian laws (if the described above episode is truth) are
not worse than Nazist ones. Perhaps not better.

A propos, for the ardent defendants of the Latvian (Estonian, Ukrainian,...)
nationalists-at-power. You like to refer to Finland as the well-to-do
country - result of the emancipation from Russia. OK. I remember
there is slight Swedish minority in Finland - nothing to compare with
Russian populace in Baltic & Ukraine. But Finland has two state languages:
Finnish & Swedish. Would not it be a better idea to deny Swedish-speaking
populace Finland citizenship and press them to emigrate?

-Boris
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: The Grand Duchy of Transdniestria?
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:26:55 EST
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1993Jan27.014908.14110@dxcern.cern.ch> gen@vsnhd7.cern.ch 
(Eugene Chudakov) writes:


>    That reminds me a recent case with Estonia, since Mr.Hietaniemi 
>represents Estonian interests in this newsgroup. 
>
>   Few monthes ago Estonia made a territorial claim to Russia 
>for historically Estonian lands that included a place called 
>Pechory. I heard about this Pechory recently by chance.
>I could hardly consider this place to be historically Estonian,
>even if I knew what it means. 

	The area is historically Estonian by no means.
	Its population was always mixed and never predominantly
	Estonian. It was Estonian for 20 years and Russian
	for some 500 years. Finally, Estonia got it from
	defeatist Bolshevic goverment in 1920 when Bolshevics
	were ready to give any land to anybody to end
	the war. As well as Brests peace treaty the
	giving away of Pechory has no legal force.

>The land around was always an arena 
>of clashes of different powers like Poland, Prussia, Russia... 
>and was nearly all the time under some domination. 

	Under Russian domination from 17 century and lots of
	times before.

>   The claim was done, however, on a legitimate ground since this place
>was given by the soviet government to Estonia in 1920, perhaps in a trade
>for some political favours (there were still some white troops hanging
>around in Estonia). 

	Sorry, Eugene, but your article written in a very
	annoying style. How do you can judge if the claim
	is legitimate if you, as you wrote, know nothing
	from the history of region? Treaties made by
	non-legit (Bolshevic) goverment are non-legit. 
	Period.

>>Bozhe tsarya hrani!

>God save the Queen!

Satan, my sweet Satan, please kill them both!

Misha.
From: vlad@bwalk.dm.com (Artificial Intelligence Program)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: #BLQ W VOPU
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 10:10:11 EST

mOI T$ZKA, "vlad@kakai.bzdi.perdi.sri.com" ---- QRKIJ PRIMER OPASNOSTI
SNO[ENIQ W PRQMU@ KI[KU.  TAKI MOVNO SERX$ZNO PODZALETEX!
From: alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Argic is right
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:54:12 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

Argic is wrong.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
From: kleinbock-dmitry@math.yale.edu (Dmitry Kleinbock)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: HOBOCTu u3 MuPA CADuCTCKuX CTuXOB
Date: 21 Jan 1993 12:28:38 -0500
Organization: Yale University Mathematics Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2155
NNTP-Posting-Host: descartes.math.yale.edu
Summary: genial'nye sadistskie stihi
Keywords: malen'kii mal'chik



In article 14879 of soc.culture.soviet  phvas@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Vlad
Soukhanovsky) writes:


>        pETXKA ZABRALSQ W ^UVOJ OGOROD.
>        tAM I NA[EL EGO STOROV fEDOT.
>        w UVASE pETXKA K MALINE PRINIK...
>        "kU[AJ SPOKOJNO!" - POZWOLIL STARIK.
>
>                * * *
> 
>       ...kAK NI STARALSQ, A DEDU[KA CEL.
>
>                * * *
>
>        mALENXKIJ wOWO^KA ^TO BYLO SIL
>        rU^KI SESTRI^KI NOVOWKOJ PILIL...
>        wZMOK, BEDOLAGA, NO CELY RU^ONKI...
>
>                * * *
>
>        lE[KA mORKOWKIN W KARXERE IGRAL
>        i POD BULXDOZER SLU^AJNO POPAL...
>        oN NEWREDIMYM WERNULSQ DOMOJ...
>
>                * * *
>
>        wOLKI DETI[EK W LESU OKRUVILI...
>
>        ...sYTY WSE WOLKI I VIWY WSE DETI !
>
>                * * *
>
>        ...i NE SLU^ILOSX S NIM NI [I[A.
>
>                * * *
>        
>        ...i UCELEL...

   Waw, looks like the world of sadist verses is invaded by the bright
forces of democracy, humanism and disarmament. And now more news: the
Congress of Sadist Verses' Deputies decided to perform the ideological
purge of the population. I can imagine the creation of the following
masterpieces:

        Malen'kii mal'chik nashel pulemet,
        Zhalko, patronov nikak ne naidet.

		* * * 

	Mal'chik neitronnuyu bombu nashel,
	S etoi igrushkoi on v shkolu prishel. 
	No voenruk eto videl v okno,
	Bombu zabral i otnes v gorono.

		* * *

	Mal'chik v podvale nashel kimono,
	Desyat' priemov uznal iz kino,
	No ne sumel on udarom nogi
	Pape razmazat' po stenke mozgi.


>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>           vvs @ office.relcom.msk.su       sOROKIN wALERA         
>           ----------------------------------------------------
>-- 
>Vlad Soukhanovsky                            ,-_|\  A MARVELOUS LAND OF
>phvas@marlin.jcu.edu.au                     /     \  KOALAS, KANGAROOS,
>                                            \_,-._/   WOMBATS, EUCHIDNAS
>                                                 v     and PLATYPUSES.  


   Keep us posted about perestroika in Sadist Verses World.

-- 
      /|  |\  /|\
     / | /| \/ |_\                  kleinboc@pascal.math.yale.edu
    /_ |/ |    |  \
   `   '
Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:10632 soc.culture.soviet:12282
From: alewis@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Andrew Lewis)
Subject: Re: Argic is right
Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:16:57 GMT

In article <105899@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>
> Argic is right.
>
> S.B.
>
About what, pray tell?  Or are you just trying to get the program to quote
you and respond with database drivel, not even realizing that you're
agreeing with it?

ALewis@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: s NAU^NOJ TO^KI ZRENIQ, OTKUDA BER$TSQ TAKOE GOWNO, KAK wLADISLAW?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:24:19 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17e by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center,  Multimedia Network Technology

In <1993Jan25.191121.13718@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu> milsh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Alex Milshteyn) writes:
>
>BTW, govno ili gavno? I vsegda dumal, chto vtoraia versiia verna.
>Opinions appreciated.

I am ready to bet $100 that it is spelled GOVNO, not GAVNO. Any takers ?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
From: 20676KCH@msu.bitnet ("Ken.Hendges")
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Medical question
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>

Would appreciate any information or referrals (to people or other LISTSERVs)
regarding ordering medicine or talking/seeing doctor from CIS (Russia,...).
According to the "People's Pharmacy, by Joe & Teresa Graedon, St. Martin's
Press, NY, c.1988, pp.62-63, "Russian doctors have apparently been using urea
plasters "for many years to remove fungus-diseased nails."" Friend may have
opportunity to visit CIS, but may need treatment here. Hope this inquiry
appropriate for list.  Please send replies directly to: 20676kch@msu.edu
The sheer volume of mail from the combined LISTSERVs is too much to keep up
with.     Thanks, Ken Hendges