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From: kevinc@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE ()
Subject: Re: Sightings show: Big Bang Theory?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:14:09 GMT

: My point is, if the world began development at the same instant (the Big
: Bang as scientists are still trying to prove), how can one species be
: so much more developed than another?  If a UFO can be sighted, not visible
: by radar, and literally DEFY all of the laws of physics here on Earth,
: were the evolution conditions so terrible that evolved into some other
: species of LESSER intellect?
:
i--------------------------

  I have wondered about this myself. My basic thoughts tend to follow 
  kind of a simplistic few I'm sure. But the way I see it, starting at
  the point of origin of the so-called "Big Bang" you would tend to have
  more occurrences of life than at the edge of the expanding universe. 
  Unfortunately there is an enourmous amount of controvery as to the 
  "Center" or "point of origin" of this Big Bang. 

  Also, given the average life of a star, invariably you would assume 
  the migration of civilizations to other planets of similar habitat.
  Evolution is still at best just a theory, so my assumtions become
  more complicated if I choose to throw that into the equation as well.
  So I don't. 
   
  Regarding the laws of physics: So far, the laws of physics are still
  regarded as constant through-out the universe (doesn't mean that this
  is definate, but nobody has observed a "difference" as far as I am
  currently aware. Maybe someone else knows more about this ).

  Anyway, good topic for disscussion. Anyone have good proven scientific
  formulations to help form opinions ?

  Kc
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ride on John's Back, Please! (Was: Re: Get Off John's Ba
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 10:58:58 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject: The Great Pyramid:
  In the past my teacher and Guru (Merele) had told me that the Great Pyramid 
had a space ship in it and later on I read a story saying that a person had 
been taken inside the pyramid by a space person and shown a craft. There was 
mentioned such things as a cross and some jewels. The transfigureation, 
Jesus and Venus was also mentioned. All of this seemed logical to me but 
lately there has come some information in the  news about the pyramid that 
even seem a little far out to me.
  It seems that some archeologists have discovered a craft inside the Great 
Pyramid that is 300 feet from edge to edge and is 150 feet high. It's not 
only in perfect conditiion, it is actually running on a standby mode-like a 
car idling, waiting for the driver to return, according to Dr. Max Koch, 
leader of the team. A NASA satellite first detected unusual amounts of 
radiation from the massive pyramid last year. Further tests with highly 
advanced radiation detectors and imaging devices revealed the outline of the 
space ship 300 feet below the Great Pyramid. They found the massive UFO 
hanger in early June. The entire hangar was as neat as a pin, as though 
workers and crew had just left for the day. The saucer is made of an unknown 
metal alloy, similar to ceramic. A barely detected hum emanated form the 
great vehicle. The hangar itself was made of the same material as the 
spavceship. They say they believe most of the early pyramids were built by 
aliens. They are trying to open the craft using a laser beam and it took 24 
hours to cut a gash one inch deep and a foot long.The hull is almost 2 feet 
thick. 
  So for me to believe in this story they will have to knock 250 feet off of 
the width of this ship and throw a lot of dust on it. Also turn off the 
motor.
Source of information: Sun Magazine. Sept.8, 1992 Page 11.
John Winston.
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From: gdavis@spock.NMSU.Edu (DAVIS)
Subject: Re: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <--
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:00:08 GMT

In article <ypkn2ym.anson@netcom.com> anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) writes:
> kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:
> 
> >In article <6qjn1f#.anson@netcom.com> anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy)  
writes:
> >>The problem with calling any single ad evidence of some great
> >>"sensitization campaign" is that it involves a leap of logic which
> >>simply is not justified.  You don't *know* the motives of the advertisers
> 
> >How many ads does it take to decide it's a trend?
> 
> You can call it a trend, sure.  But to say it involves motives other than
> selling the product requires a bit more substance than aliens being featured
> in commercials.
> -- 
> 
> Anson Kennedy                                                    
anson@netcom.com
> Secretary of the Georgia Skeptics (but don't even THINK I speak for them!)
> 
> "If you don't watch the violence,    \           "If I had been the Virgin  
Mary,
> you'll never get desensitized to it."  \                I would have said  
'No.'"
> -Bart Simpson                            \  -Margaret "Stevie" Smith 

(1902-1971)
  

0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Think about this one will ya well have you notice the beer commericals dancing  
with the aliens and all the car commericals with the wheat field B>S> so i  
think more than one company talking three big corportations i.e Miller Light
(A.B.) and Oldsmobile (G.M. Corp) and the other I can't remember is out for  
some motive that would suggest logical thinking but what that is and why all of  
a sudden all rush to do these commerical with aliens might be alarming because
it's to suggestive to not speculate that if big corporations can deal with  
aliens so can the human populus.   Just something to think about>>>>

gdavis@NMSU.edu      And if nothing else we can at least agree to disagree!!
From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE CLONES!!!
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:46:04 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

One form of clone research that's effective: clones,if they are not born in
utero, do not have navels.   In years of unobtrusive inspection I've found two.
One had two navels--an obvious attempt (botched) to pass for human, and one had
no navel.  They're alive, intelligent and sometimes lazy.
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: "scientific" Ufo Information??
Date: 10 Sep 92 06:08:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO


 > is there some electronic mail or news based source for "serious"
 > discussion of UFO topics, approaching the matter with something of a
 > scientific method?
 >
 > not to say the folks here aren't serious..... :)  i'm just after some
 > more quantitative information on the UFO deal...

Subscribe infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com

Mike

--  
Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman)
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 16:35:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes:


>In article <_bpn2j+.garys@netcom.com>, garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes...
> <stuff about how national security is at stake, you know, deleted> 
>>Gary Stollman    Internet: garys@netcom.com     GEnie: G.STOLLMAN

>Gary,
>You know what makes all this not particularly believable?
>The fact that with all this stuff "the government" is supposedly doing to you,
>you just hang around and take it. If it were me, I'd have gotten my butt far,
>far away from here if I thought "the government" was replacing the whole
>country with clones, or if they were throwing me in and out of mental hospitals
>every other day. BTW, try paying your phone bill. You'll probably have much
>less problems with the phones.
>-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
*****
Call me stupid.  Call me ignorant.  But don't call me crazy please.  I
TRIED to live my life, as all Americans should be entitled to and
supposedly are granted by the Constitution.  I guess I believed in this
country too much for my own good.  BTW, my parents pay the phone bills
here.  I'm afraid that's NOT the trouble with the lines!!

-- 
Gary Stollman    Internet: garys@netcom.com     GEnie: G.STOLLMAN
-----------------------------------------------------------------
          The world is your playground.  Keep it clean! 
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From: alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones)
Subject: VCR alert:  Unsolved Mysteries - 16Sep92
Reply-To: alanj@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:09:04 GMT

I'm pretty sure I heard on a commercial last night that the season premier
of "Unsolved Mysteries" will be on this Wednesday, 16Sep92, and will include
some footage of a UFO.  Can anyone confirm/refute?

---
sincerely,
Alan Jones  /  Texas Instruments, Dallas, TX  /  email=alanj@dadd.ti.com
From: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: The aliens have landed
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:39:52 GMT
Reply-To: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors

Two space aliens have just landed in this campus. They wear blue
spacesuits, with a yellow line where some Earth creatures have
a tie. They wear something which looks like an oxygen mask, but
the bottles they have on their backs contains a dark liquid instead.
I know this, because they seem to be made of some transparent
material, and inside it it is clearly visible a very dark green
liquid.

Right now they are not in sight anymore, I suspect that
they are hiding behind a tree, but I'll keep watching outside
the window to get more information.

In the meantime, if anybody has an idea of where they might
come from...

Oh, before I forget, I haven't seen them landing, I just happened
to look outside and they were there.
From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:37:46 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I suggest you have yourself checked over for radiation poisoning.  If you check
out okay and there's no case of food poisoning then I would start sewing myself
a fancy, skintight, lycra suit.  You might need it.
From: system@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Victor Spicer  )
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: "scientific" UFO information??
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:25:16 GMT
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

is there some electronic mail or news based source for "serious" 
discussion of UFO topics, approaching the matter with something of a 
scientific method?

not to say the folks here aren't serious..... :)  i'm just after some 
more quantitative information on the UFO deal...

thanks in advance
        vic spicer
(yes, put on the asbestos outerwear...)


;--- (Victor Spicer  ) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64
;E-mail: system@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8
From: frisinv@alleg.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Why are aliens "bad"
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:18:38 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <1992Sep9.145004.16149@ntb.ch> milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)  
writes:
> > In Findhorn I once heard that there were twelve kinds of known ETs.
> Can someone fill me in on any of them? I only really know of the greys 
> and the Nordic types. Perhaps Email would be the best medium, as I 
> wouldn't like anybody to get "flamed" for boring some of our experts.
> Or is this not common knowledge?

Please email me the same information (frisinv@alleg.edu).

thanks
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Apocalyptics (Was: Is 700 club safe?)
Date: 6 Sep 92 04:47:39 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	Prepare for the end of the world. Even the most conservative
	teachers acknowledge that these are the final days. Read
	talk.religion.christian and see the evidence for yourself.

... curious, my local deacon hasn't told me that.  You'd think he
might.

   Modern predictions of "the final days" have been occurring in the
US since at least the early-1800's (for instance, in the 1820's
William Miller formed a sect that preached the end of the world in
1843 or '44-- his group disintegrated when it didn't happen, and parts
of the "Millerites" survive as the 7th-day Adventists; Charles Russell
preached that the end would come in 1874, then 1914, then 1919, then
after his death, his sect predicted 1925, then 1975, then settled on a
more amorphous dating.  You may have heard of this sect -- they call
themselves Jehovah's Witnesses.)  There have been others, of course.

   My difficulty with all this is that the predictions are claimed to
have also been based on "ironclad" biblical "predictions".  (Jehovah's
Witnesses have a positive mania on this field.)  Perhaps the last
prediction will be correct (by definition), but which one is correct?
Since it is clear that past apocalyptic predictions were wrong, how is
one to know when the correct interpretation is made?  (The Witnesses
have a doctrine to cover this -- "gradually revealed light"; but this
is open-ended, and in some sense diffuses the impact of the message,
since you never know when "enough light" is available.)

   [BTW, I do not wish to poke fun at the above beliefs -- what people
wish to believe is their own business.  It has always fascinated me
that many ufologists, who themselves must perform a certain "leap of
faith" for what they believe, should show such hostility to organized
religions, which require a similar (though different) leap.  You dogma
may have fleas! :-]

   To drag this post back to the realm of a.a.v, I've noticed a
certain parallel in some sections of Ufology: the assertion that "the
truth will soon be revealed", which has been predicted by various
people since at least the mid-1960's, and probably dates back to
Adamski.  Its not clear to me if these pronouncements are just flat
made up, or if at least some are passed as disinformation, though.
Anybody got any particulars?

Charles
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rocko@ireland.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rick O'leary)
Subject: Re: Winston/Stollman. Acid or Lithium?
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:51:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.003302.6721@resumix.portal.com>, stevans@resumix.portal.com (Mark Stevans) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep11.122852.8119@sunova.ssc.gov> rocko@ireland.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rick O'leary) writes:
|> >In article <65641@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
|> >|> Dear Garrett: I read you post and am willing to let you know whatever
|> >|> you would like to know.
|> >|> John Winston.
|> >
|> >Please Garrett,
|> >Don't play the governments game. He is an agent/grey/nut.
|> >Please don't ask him anything. Your read enough of his
|> >crap from others questions. 
|> >
|> >love and kisses
|> >
|> >	Rocko
|> 
|> Ladies and gentlemen, please.  The name of this newsgroup does not begin with
|> "alt" for nothing.  This is a publicly available alternative discussion forum.
|> 
|> Yes, it is a source of 1) information, 2) disinformation, and last but not
|> least, 3) misinformation, but I for one don't need or want anyone classifying
|> anything into one of those three categories for me.  I want to try to do it for
|> myself -- else I wouldn't subscribe.
|> 
|> John and Gary, I am withholding all of my questions until I am ready to ask
|> them intelligently.  Please continue your articles, knowing that there is an
|> attentive audience, though some of us may choose to remain relatively silent
|> for now.  Peace to all.
|> 
|> MLS

Don't wait. Don't waste our time by forming "intelligent" questions.
John_&_Gary Winstollman will de-catagorize anything "intelligent" in
no time. They are paid to be brain-dead nuts (sorry guy, you know your
both Uncle Sam's DISSINFO. dudes). 

So go for it MLS. Post and learn. It doesn't matter what the subject.
These Government Pigs will distort the truth or any shread of it. People
read their crap and un-subscribe. Ask, Quest, Think... But Don't Un-sub
When they act like nuts. They're just doing their job.

love and kisses

ROCKO

P.S.
"band-width wasting sig not cool now that olympics over."
From: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM (Good good good good vibrations)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <--
Date: 11 Sep 1992 20:40:38 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: tinkerbell.ebay.sun.com


Hello to all, I am new to the alias, but here goes.

Has anyone out there heard or read about the Realiens?  I have bought about 3
of their books, and they talk about how we were an experiment in life, and how
the scientist who created us, got to the point where they were worried we would
kill them, so they did things, like flood the earth, (Noah's Arc) etc.  You know
the bible stories.  

Anyway, I read in the Enquire the other day, an artical about how big the 
Realien cult was getting.  They said that the Realiens were starting to set
up a goverment in Israel, and the coming of Christ will be in the year 2000
when he will be the head of this government.

Please let me know if anyone else has heard or read of them.

Thanks,

Kathie Greenslade
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 14:56:43 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject: Ruins of the 30,000 Year Old City. Part 6.
  R. as I said before is the editor of a magazine callled Unicus, and he is 
engaged to a oriental young lady, who is the publisher of Unicus. It ssems 
that according to R. in a previous life R. had lived in the Plieades and 
Orion when he was being pursued in his space craft by some other people who 
were trying to kill him. He at that time dropped by and picked up this lady 
who now is his finance and didn't tell her what was going on. While he was 
trying to get away in his space craft they were all killed and were then 
reborn to regualr parents here on earth. R. was born as a caucasian male and 
his finance as an oriental female. She was pretty mad when she was born and 
didn't know why she was here but finally found out how she got here and now 
she is happy.
  Some of the plants that you see in this area I have never seen before and  
I'm prettly farmiliar with plants. One of the plants in particular had a 
large flower that looked like a white catus and had sort of a flour 
substance that came off of it when you shook it. It looked like something 
from another planet that you would see on an episode of Star Trek.
  During about one half or three quarters through the trip we came to an area 
called Split Rock Picnic Area and this area can be found on some of the 
trail maps.  It is a good area to look up to find the city as it comes above 
ground.  We were setting around these old picnic tables and noticed that 
there were thousands of lady bugs on the tables. We didn't  pay much 
attention to them and let them crawl over us. Most of the people on the trip 
were a bunch of nature lovers anyway.  I made it a point to not remember any 
of the people's names so that I could write about them and their experiences 
without having to get their permissiion. The first lady was an attractive 
lady who had just come out of  a wheelchair due to being in an accident a 
few months before. She was assured that the trail would be a piece of cake 
(very easy to walk it).  I'm susre that the trail did seem to be a piece of 
cake to R. because he is young (about 30 more or less) and has run these 
trails before (not hiked but run).  This lady in the past had been sort of a 
psychic person who people would phone in and ask question to on a radio 
station down in LA, sort of like Silvia Brown (except she had never heard 
about Silvia).
End Part 6. John Winston
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From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Subject: Re: Kissinger spills the beans?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 22:42:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <10241@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> rhys@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>In <Sep.10.01.05.50.1992.4473@andromeda.rutgers.edu> mccabe@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Chris Mccabe) writes:
>
>>	There was some guy on the radio this morning (100.3 FM, NYC) who
>>	said Henry Kissinger stated that President Bush would be revealing
>>	a massive UFO coverup this October.  The guy on the radio said
>>	that Bush will do this because our current
>>	government has been involved in some very, very, secret 	
>>	dealings with some sort of Alien race, and that now is definately
>>	not the time to change presidents.  I think the guy on the
>>	radio said that Henry Kissinger made the statement in front
>>	of some European Government Committe.


This very thesis was the subject of Michael Lindemann's UFO's and the Alien
Presence Symposium at Berkley last May. In his final words "The Bug Picture" all
that had preceded in the conference was leading up to a few main ideas:

1) As far as the New World Order is concered, the "only good alien is a bad
alien." Inother words, UFO coverup and alien/US agreements (as well as ET
visitation, good/bad/indifferent) will be portrayed in a light of emergency
in order to siezed power and control the masses, possibly as a re-election ploy.

2) That the US is highly involved in creating the future by selectivley planting
in the masses mind the "definition of reality" so that they do not come to 
realized that reality is individule, unique, and a mater of conciousness. By 
controling the masses perception of reality, you can create the future, and
you can rule the world.

So, it may not happen right now, but it is VERY possible it will. And it
is almost certain that it well be annouced sometime this decade...

Jeff- 



>
>Well, sitting here Down Under, I find the idea of Bush announcing a massive
>UFO coverup very intriguing.  Just consider, Bush admits that a coverup has 
>been occuring in the past and continuing while he was in power, and then says
>"I'm a nice, honest guy, re-elect me".  Frankly, I don't expect any such
>announcement until after the election, if at all.  Bush is not stupid enough
>to cut his own throat in that fashion.
>
>Bush would have to convince the American people that he had nothing to do
>with it and is just exposing secret military factions and the like, blah,
>blah, blah.  But I can't see enough people swallowing that to make a difference
>to the election outcome.
>
>I'll be the happiest person on the planet if it does happen (announcement of
>aliens, etc), but I can't see it happening.  Given the current political
>climate, it would more likely be a blow-up of the Middle East or Eastern
>Europe that causes Bush to put on his "tough hat" again and argue that
>changing Presidents is not a good idea, rather than aliens.  I could be wrong.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Rhys.
>--
>Rhys Weatherley, University of Queensland, Australia.
>rhys@cs.uq.oz.au  "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?"


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