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From: michaelm@titanic.esd.sgi.com (Mike Mohageg)
Subject: Re: What to Talk about
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:44:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.115718.6137@netcom.com>, bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar 
|> 
|> Dear Ala, if you really think about it, everything about Abadan was the
|> BEST.  aslan abadan bayad paytakhte jahan mishod.  Why?
|> 
|> Annex - Estakhr - bereym - nakhlestan - palayeshgah - mardom - falakeh -
|> bazar-e arabha - bahmanshir - teem-e san'at-e naft - teem-e kargar - 
|> foroodgah - cinama taj - otoboos-e Bedford - asfalt-e sangi - madreseh
|> kamal'ol molk - dabirestan-e razi - bimarestan - daneshkadeh naft - 
|> bad-badak ba shirish - estore (where we bought fresh sheer)  - kooler-e
|> gazi - derakht-e khar-zareh - pol-e sar khiyaboon - jagh-jagheh foroosh -
|> derakht-e konar - dokhtar-e abadani - keshti naft-kesh - .  .  .


Hooshyar (and Ala) don't forget the following:

rud-e Karun, Cinama Shirin, Bashgah Golestan, Bashgah Naft, Bashgah Arvand, nakhlestan, "Sick Lane", Eistgah-e Dewazeh (that's Davazdah, but with an Abadani accent :-), Segush, derakht-e be'aroo, "ceykel" (that's Abadani for Docharkhe; it's actually derived from English (bicycle) and a relic of the English occupation of Abadan), ghara-ye shahr, khiabun-e Zand, Alfi, Ahmad-abad, Kofeishe, bazar-e ruz, 

and most of all:  mardom (which you mentioned), adamhash, garmishun, (welek, sarete dard neyarom)

There's a lot more too and I'll be glad to include them in another post.

|> Just missing Abadan, no territorial prejudice intended. :-)

Me too.  Not a day goes by where I don't somehow reflect on Abadan.  For those who haven't lived there I'm sure this stuff seems a bit strange or immature.  But it really was an incredible place.  No doubt, Abadan suffered from many of the ills that hit the rest of Iran (e.g., poverty in Dehkadeh Beraim).  Nonetheless, Abadan seemed to have this aura of friendliness and open-mindedness. What a great place to grow up!!!  Even Tehranis who'd migrated quickly became Abadani because it was so appealing.


|> >Now does anyone know what BAAGHSAAM is!?
|> 
|> You got me!


Of coarse!!!! BAAGHSAAM was a small, cookie-sized piece of dried bread that had a bit of a sweet taste (I'm not sure, but they may have added sugar to it.)  It went great with milk, as Ala points out.


Now, does anyone know what Nun Baadhsaami is??!



|> Regards,
|> Hooshyar F. Naraghi
|> bavafa@netcom.com
|> (415) 322-8056



Best wishes and happy memories,

-- MIKE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hossein@nu.Berkeley.EDU (Karbalie Hossein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Shahreh Farang
Keywords: shahr shahreh farangeh, az hameh rangeh
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:00:11 GMT
Reply-To: hossein@nu.Berkeley.EDU (Karbalie Hossein)

Ahalie SCI,
	I would like to be the first to thank amoo 
for his wonderful commentary and satire. Keep up the
good work va Khoda dar un-donya avazet emdahad.

--Kal Hossein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.german
From: kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring)
Subject: Re: Germany to commemorate launch of first Nazi rocket despite protests
Organization: FB Physik, Universitaet Kaiserslautern, Germany
Distribution: soc.culture.german
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:51:58 GMT

In article <jj7qbl0c@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, laudw@warwick.ac.uk (Chris Lowe) writes:
>I find it quite hard to believe that anyone cannot see the clear distinction
>between Bomber Harris and the v2 rocket system. [..]
>the v2 system was a rocket
>propelled weapons system,devised by evil people for evil purposes. [..]

That whole article sounds quite simple-minded.  First I thought it was an attempt
at irony...

>Bomber Harris was in the
>process of launching attacks on the most vile political system in history

By launching attacks on people some of which were part of this system.
Sure, it is close to impossible to destroy the political system without harming
innocents, so perhaps he had to do it.  But it's nothing to be proud of.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki are nothing to be proud of too.  The V2 and all the other
killings should be commemorated, but the *victims* should be emphasized, not
the heroism of the soldiers or the ingenuity of the weapon constructors.

People shouldn't be given the idea that killing others is fine as long as you're
on the right side.
You should be aware that Nazis didn't think of themselves as evil, and they used
exactly that rationale: killing others is fine as long as you're on the right side.
OK, that was simple-minded.  I just wanted to make you think.

--
thomas kettenring, 2 dan, kaiserslautern, germany
Science is like democracy - it's not perfect, but it's the best thing available.
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From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Boeing discussing selling jets to Iran Air
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:43:16 GMT


	SEATTLE (UPI) -- Executives of Boeing Co. have been discussing selling
commercial jetliners to Iran Air, hoping that American policy will
change to allow such exports, a company spokesman said Wednesday.
	``We have been in discussion regarding the sale of 737s to Iran Air,
but those cannot be finalized without approval from the U.S. government,
'' said spokesman Craig Martin.
	The U.S. government has imposed what amounts to a trade embargo
against Iran as part of its efforts to control the export of high-tech
goods to unfriendly nations. The Commerce Department has accused Iran of
illegally buying American equipment seven years ago in Germany for
testing aircraft navigational gear.
	Reports have emerged this week that Iran Air and Boeing have
tentatively agreed to a sale of close to $1 billion of jets. Business
Week reported that the sale would include 16 Boeing 737-400s, with parts
and training, but Martin said no agreement has been reached.
	Martin said the commercial aircraft market in Iran could amount to as
much as $3 billion. ``We think that the administration should re-think
using trade to reach political goals,'' he said.
	Analysts have said that if Boeing cannot sell its planes to Iran, the
business will go to European consortium Airbus Industrie.
	Boeing, the world's largest aircraft producer, posted second-quarter
earnings of $453 million, or $1.33 a share, off slightly from earnings
of $454 million, or $1.32 a share, in the 1991 second quarter. Second-
quarter sales were up slightly to $7.82 billion from $7.81 billion in
the year-ago quarter.


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From: nisus@netcom.com (Nisus Tech. Bruce Mori)
Subject: Re: What should we call our nation?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:52:02 GMT

Let's get this clear: Iran has always been called Iran in Iran. The Greeks
and the Romans Knew Iran by the Capital area of Iran (Pars or Persia, the same
words). Our language is one of the branches of Iranian languages and is
called Persian (in Iran  it is called farsi but in English 'Farsi' sounds
too much like a word meaning stupid!)

During Reza Shah's time, Iranian Government asked other countries refer to 
Iran as Iran not persia (Because they wanted to emphasize that Iran is
much bigger than <pars or persia>.)

ersian but they are for sure Iranian.
Being from Azarbaijan, I do not consider myself <FARS> but Iranian.
However, since the word Persian has been used in the west for so long,
if someone refers to me as a Persian, I will not argue. (I will
argue if they call me a Turk or an Arab.)

And for the language, It has ONLY one correct name and that is PERSIAN
and not Farsi or Iranian. Calling our language anything but Persian
will cut us off from our heritage. Westerners know about Persian poetry
but not much about Iranian poetry (same with Persian Rug and not Iranian
rug.)


In article <1992Sep29.165225.16280@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM> zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz) writes:
>Moreover, we call Iranian carpet, Iranian history, Iranian architecture
>etc... as Farsh-e-Irani, Tarikh-e-Iran, Mamari-e-Iran.  I never heard
>the term Farsh-e-farsi!-:) tarikh-e-farsi ! -:) or Mamari-e-farsi !-:)
>back in Iran.
>
>I guess, like Germany which is called "Alman" in many countries and
>dutchland in germany itself, or like greek which we call Unani, our
>country's name might have been called different names in different
>countries.  And as result products from that country is called 
>correspondingly.  For example, German Car in Iran would be called
>Machine-e-Almani etc...
>
>                     With highest regards,
>                          Babak   Sehari.
>
>Babak Gerami:
>
>You are absolutely right about the above statements.  My point is
>outside Iran.  For instance, here in U.S. if you tell someone, "Do you
>know anything about Iranian Poetry?" compare to saying "Do you know
>anything about Persian Poetry?".  
>
>I guess, I am convienced by uou and some other in regard to this
>question that people outside Iran still refer to Latin name of Iran.  It
>is like calling "Cyrus or Xerxes" rather than Kuroush or Khashayar.  
>
>Maybe, it is because since Iran have had so much background from the
>past, people outside our soil still recognize the name Persia.  Also
>reading books in those regards, the name of the country was Persia
>before.  I guess, it is the same way when we call Mesopetomia
>(Beyn-ol_nahrain) rather than Iraq.
>
>Also refer to some term "Persian cats" or "Persian Melon" or "Persian peach".
>
>Ba Sepas Faravan,
>
>Zamie
From: towfiq@justice.UUCP (Mark Towfiq)
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:30:32
Organization: Towfiq System
In-reply-to: bavafa@netcom.com's message of Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:49:29 GMT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
X-Mailer: GNU Emacs 18.58 with RMAIL and Supercite 2.2
Distribution: world 

>>>>> In article <BvFp4C.5A1@news.udel.edu> keivan@brahms.udel.edu
>>>>> (Keivan Esfarjani) writes:

> A real challenge now for everybody:

> The other day my friend was telling me that his professor had told
> him that warm water freezes faster than cold water!!!!

  If this is how the idea was stated (i.e. identical situations), I
think his professor must have been trying to put a hat on his head.
How can something at a temperature X freeze faster than something at a
temperature X - a (a>0)?  Because in some time T, the thing which
started at temperature X will have termperature X - a, and the thing
which started at X - a will be ahead, closer to freezing.

  Either this, or he was talking about a specific situation: when you
put an ice-cube tray in the freezer.  In this case, warm water may
freeze faster, as the warmth of the underside of the tray will
momentarily melt the frost beneath it, and then re-freeze, forming a
nice even contact between the ice-cube tray and the freezer floor (or
shelf), thereby enhancing the rate of heat transfer from the tray to
the freezer, and making ice more quickly.
--
Mark Towfiq				towfiq%justice@eingedi.newton.ma.us

"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens" -- Baha'u'llah
From: vforo@ecst.csuchico.edu (ROMIN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Chemical Engineering-1A (was Re: Physics-1A Question)
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:51:28 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu


In article <1992Sep30.140418.7798@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:

[some line deleted]

>Quite! Water doesn't boil at 100 C; it boils when its vapor pressure is
>equal to the ambient pressure. Even then it might not boil if there are
>no sites for bubbles to nucleate, i.e. the pressure inside a bubble is
>actually greater than ambient pressure because of the surface tension of
>water and the smaller the bubble the greater the pressure inside the
>bubble. As an experiment put some water in a microwave oven and heat it
>a little longer than normal, drop in some sugar and watch the sudden
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>boiling. This happens almost every time I heat up cold chai in the
^^^^^^^^^
The reason is that the suger has a higher density than water, so it
causes the temparture of boiling water drop( also the suger adds to the mass
of the water). It's like u add salt to water and u see water freezes faster!

>microwave. The chai is superheated and when the sugar is added suddenly
>there are many sites for bubbles to form and then the chai boils rapidly.
> 
>> > 
>> >>Perhaps I should have asked can we prove the concept of 
>> >temperature as an absolute property of matter?
>> >>
>> >If you look at temperature as an energy (which is), then every thing falls
>> >in its place.

>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
 
ROMIN
From: amoojoon@ghahveh.khooneh.mash.yadollAh (Bacheh Morshed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Shahreh Farang
Summary: Oops!
Keywords: shahr shahreh farangeh, az hameh rangeh
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:36:48 GMT
Organization: naghAl khooneh

In article <qorv36c@twilight.wpd.sgi.com> marand@eagle.wpd.sgi.com 
(Najmeh Marand) writes:

amoo wrirtes:
>> 
>> NAmeh oon yeki khAnom Noushineh
>> monzajer az hejAb-o az pooshineh
>> bA Mahin-o Najmeh hamegi ham-dardan
>             ~~~~~~
>> migeh sezAyeh mardA Abeh jooshineh!
>> 
>> [stuff deleted]
>>
>> ************************************************************
>> 
>> bA ham mehrabAn bAsheed,
>> 
>> amoo


>       Did amoo perhaps make a typo-error and meant to say 
>       Naghmeh (?)

>Najmeh (not Naghmeh)

Najmeh khAnom jAn,

Oops! You're right; indeed I meant Naghmeh but it came 
out as Najmeh! But that doesn't mean I categorized or labeled them
as being such and such. I thought I gave enough warnings about the contents
of my posting in the beginning; You have been around long enough to know 
that amoo has no personal "khosoomat" with anybody; firend or foe 
receive the same share of attention from our ghahveh khooneh. Nevertheless,
if your feelings are still hurt my most sincere apologies to you and to 
those whose names were used in the posting.


khandAn bAsheed,


amoo
From: oaf@serverx.osf.org (Oded Feingold)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Educating Mahin
Summary: couldn't resist - I'm in a funky mood this morning
Keywords: no worries
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:10:12 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Open Software Foundation

nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi) writes:
>	Dear Mahin ... [(and others)...]
>
>My child, you ask how we KNOW of what makes GOD happy or sad...

You are Mahin's long-lost father?  Mother??


>p.s. for those who don't get it. don't worry. it's between me and
>Mahin.

No worries, we'll keep it quiet.  Just you, Mahin, me, the 75,000
readers, and anyone they talk to...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Title Award (Re: On Iranian Women)
Organization: Ocean of Knowledge
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:12:37 GMT

>In article <sehari.718045887@vincent2.iastate.edu> 
>sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>
>American girls are thought to honor and love their husbands.  Whereas,
>Iranian girls are thought to break their husbands and put a saddle behind
>their husband's back!  This is one of the most important reasons that many
>Iranian man usually escape from Iranian women.  I believe, this fact
>even has contributed to more than %40 single rate in Iran ...

I am caught puzzled again.

I knew a roommate of my brother when I just dropped from Tehran to Berkeley.
He used to know it all.  There was hardly any subject for which he wouldn't
say something.  At Armstrong College(1), where it used to issue I-20 to 
American students :-), he was referred to by the college ahAli as "AghAy-e
bahro'l-oloom."  In years to come I never met any person to match Jamshid,
until by coincident I spotted sci.

I would like to 'enteghAl' the aforementioned title to our resident fellow
Babak khAn.  I have every reason and indication to believe that he not only
deserves it but also has earned it, at least in the past year that I have 
had the privilege of sitting at his 'manbar' and reading his opinions.

Tonight we are going to hear it from Babak himself as how (read 'chetori')
he manages to arrive at these thought-provoking statements.  Ladies and
gentleman at sci (read 'ahAli mohtaram'), please join me in welcoming Mr.
Babak Sehari .  .  .  .

(a lot of whistles and cheers in the background)

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056

(1) I have been notified that since few years ago Armstrong College is
now called Armstrong University.  'It's still rock'n roll to me' :-)

PS.  This was a 'jeddi' occassion.  ahAliy-e aziz, please take extreme care
to refrain from using "bahro'l-oloom" title in any future references when
you decide to name somebody.  You may, however, freely use other derivatives
of the above title.

For example, a title such as "joojeh bahro'l-oloom" is quite sharewrite.
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  [(c) bavafa 92, (c) Mahin, 92 - the first joint copyright notice at sci]
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From: farshid@baum.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Farshid Ketabchi)
Subject: Re: Fuzzy Logic again
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 20:57:01 GMT

In article <2m5.h0iiq@lab.ntt.jp>, farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> I found the following in comp.ai. Some might find it interesting.
|> ----------------------------------------------------------------
 
[ deleted ..]

|> Is it because he is Iranian? Opinions?
|>        
|>   - Farzin
|>             

I don't think so.  I bet many of the US scientists who are familiar
with his work don't even know (or care to know) if he's Iranian.  I
learned something interesting a few years ago when I was at Argonne
National Labs: typically among scientist when you're asked "Where are
you from?", it is meant "What university you are coming from?"  and
not what country you're from.  And that's how it should be.

That conference covered other areas besides fuzzy technology; genetic
algorithms, neural networks don't have much to do with fuzzy set
theory and logic, but they are new hot areas, especially genetic alg's.

Like I mentioned the other day, fuzzy set theory and logic was not
well-received by many of the famous AI scientists in US.  By that I do
not mean to let down Zadeh's work.  As recent as a couple of years
ago, many AI scientists explicitly talked against fuzzy logic in AI,
implying that was blown out of proportion and was no big deal.  I am
not quite sure what the reason for this specific opposition is/was but
such oppositions are part of the game.

The other issue here is that US is generally slower in adapting new
technologies than Japan and some of the Europian countries.  It is
believed that one reason behind this lag in technology transfer is the
fact that management in big American companies is after immediate
profit and gain, and is hesitant to fund research and invest in new
and unproven technologies.

So, although there is quality research in the most technologically
advanced areas in US universities, US companies take too long to adapt
such technologies. (Well, weapons technology may be an exception to
this, as US Defense Dept has usually had plenty to spend on research
and quick deployment of new technologies.)

Farshid Ketabchi
farshid@inoms.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Einstein  and  Religion...
From: desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...)
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:21:14 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Univ. of Arizona...,TSN, AZ...
Nntp-Posting-User: desert

In article <7=!p3sk.bavafa@netcom.com>, bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
> In article <1992Sep25.125323.1@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...) writes:
> 
> Hi Ali!

Well Salam to you too, Hooshyare Azziz... *smile*

	[ Einstein's quote purged...]
> 
> And a Jewish one indeed who believed in the legitimacy of the State of
> Israel, who was asked to become its first Prime Minister which he humbly
> turned down, who always said he was a Jew, who sincerely believed in
> socialism instead of capitalism, who spoke against racism in the US, who
> spoke against Americans' hatred of Jews after the War, who criticized a
> lot of scientists of his time, who believed in a free Germany after the
> War...
> 
> I would share that we ought to be very careful when we quote from great
> personages of the human history.  This is not addressed to you Ali.

I perfectly understand you that you mean well... :)  The point is well taken...
Aside from my beliefs, Albert was one that mankind benefited from his dis-
coveries, and knowledge as a scientist be it Jewish, Christian, Muslim, etc.  :)

> You were only sharing a fact that Albert was indeed a religious person.

Ditto...!  I knew you would understand...  :)

> No doubt about it. 

You have my vote on that too... :)

> I propose that Einstein comes as a total homogenuous package.  The man was
> so great and he said many things that if one put them together, s/he wouldn't
> necessarily agree with all the things he said.  Unless we take him as who he
> was, in which case we ought to accept many other things he said.

nod nod nod... If i am not mistaken late Ostad Motaheri in his ``Ad-leh Ellahi''
book mentioned something to that effect concerning Einstein...

> Hooshyar F. Naraghi, still studying Einstein's works to understand him
> bavafa@netcom.com
> (415) 322-8056
> 

Always good to hear from you...

Ali...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: samiri@encore.com (Soheila Amiri)
Subject: Re: Hello again!!!
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:51:51 GMT
Keywords: Breaking up is hard to do

euaamt@eua.ericsson.se (Amir Taheri) writes:


>And we all thought we got rid of her forever!!!
>Lets start dreaming again!!!

>Amir.

I know.  I must be a lot of people's worst nightmare :-)

From what I've observed, I have missed so many "good" and usefull
and specially polite articles from a couple of old timers.  Too
bad the empty drums are still beating as loud as ever, if you
know what I mean!!

Stay tuned....

I'm just warming up :-)

Soheila
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: javAd Agha admonishes
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:50:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.164617.29976@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:

>2) You implicitely accept that insulting the religious believes of more than
>   1 billion people needs some kind of punishment, but it shouldn't be death.
> ...
>Seyyed.

The above should be read:
2) You implicitely accept that insulting the religious believes of more than
   1 billion people needs some kind of punishment. Our difference is that you
   say that it shouldn't be death.

Sorry about that,
Seyyed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: I am He...
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:15:59 GMT


Okay Ramin, I ain't joining your religion.  Who gave you all this crap about
sex and *absolute* love blah blah blah...  perhaps you can sell that at the
bazaar.  

Oh, and by the way, I never have sex on a first introduction anyway deary.


	Oh, I should never forget (for the learning disabled):  :-)


P.S. Never try to oursmartass an Iranian (I need to write this 1000 times)

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