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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: RE: RE: WHO IS BEN SANSIN
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:17:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey) writes
>this is one
>of the more serious groups. why? well for a number of reason, i
>suspect because some one can seriously damage/maim themselves with
>sloppy practice in tattooing and piercing.  There have been discussions
>on AIDS, artists to avoid &c. there are also silly moments, like
>the discussion on temperal lobe piercing and the one on hairy calves
>(oh what a good pun that made :)

That's very interesting, considering that my statements regarding this
"damage/maim themselves with sloppy practice", etc, was met with
immediate flaming by "the regulars", and my attempts to offer "silly
moments" were also met with hostile reactions.

>finally (yes, finally) stop refering to us all as university fairies,
>or weenies or whatever you use to state that i/we have no idea
>of the real world.
>
>I left undergratuate a looong time ago. i've worked for what seems
>like forever.  i own a house, a volvo and a cat. i write for magazines,
>sorry -- but i think i have at least scratched on the surface of
>"real world"

Okay, so you live in the real world. Good. Note that, also, your message
(article, flyleaf, pamphlet) is well and rationally written, contains no
"flame" material, and never once sinks into utterances like "fuck you"
or "eat shit".

The children who seem to think "rational discussion" is composed of
hurled insults and threats may well be "out of college", but they
conduct themselves like small children, so how can I help but make the
assumption they ARE small children?
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Subject: RASIED TATTOOS (WAS RE: A
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:08:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

->      As far as I know, it's a histamine reaction; mine do the same
->      things, particularly badly when I'm having a heavy alergy
->      attack. And antihistamines tend to make the tattoos go smooth
->      again.

 Aha.  Come to think of it, AB showed me some areas that had
mysteriously welted up, then gone smooth again, just a few days ago.
It's allergy season here - everything parked outside has a nice coat of
yellow pollen.  Brr.
From: STella@thelema.uucp (STella)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Two Questions was MORE NIPPLE QUESTIONS
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:21:43 GMT
Organization: Idiosyncratic Anarchic Order

In article <272.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) writes:
>piercings are sick". No, I just meant that some of the EXTREME piercings
>(tongues, for instance) seemed somewhat EXTREME... and I was curious
>about people's motivations...

Ben, the first question's all for you: Are you a real asshole, or do
you just play one in rec.arts.bodyart?

The other question's more general... I'm somewhat attracted by the
concept (and oh my yes the process) of a clit piercing.  Anybody got
one?

(Note please, that I already have a vertical Queen Kristina, which is
a piercing of the clit hood.  I'm not asking about them, OK? I have
one, I love it, and it's not what I'm asking about.)

STella@xanadu.com	1016 E. El Camino Real, #302, Sunnyvale, CA 94087
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: chachra@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (CHACHRA  Debbie)
Subject: Re: piercing and infections
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:30:48 GMT

In article <#78t-mc@rpi.edu> speights@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Arlen Speights) writes:
>af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan S. Ferrency) writes:
>
>>>Hello, does anyone know if having a cold or other infectious disease
>>>at the time of piercing increases the risk of infection in the pierce?
>>>Thanks muchly for any information you can give.
>>Also, does anyone know if a currently healing pierce or a recently
>>healed over failed pierce increases or decreases the chances (or time)
>>of another pierce healing well?
>
>Having a cold means you body's defenses are down, and you're less
>likely to be able to heal a pierce while your infection-fighting
>systems are also batling a cold.  But I went through a cold while
     ....
>But I don't think a healing pierce will interfere with a new one's
>chance of avoiding infection, unless it was done the day before!
>It might take a bit longer, but even this is hard to guage...  It
>would be a bummer to have two healing and none to play with. (-=
>
>Arlen

I would actually take the contrary position about healing two piercings 
at once...

While I'm sure it can be done (hell, I've done it), it seems to me that it
just gives you more (different types) of bacteria in the body to get a nasty
infection by.  There are two types of infection surrounding a pierce [o-early
or late (deep).  You get the first kind because of the bacteria that get in
during the actual pierce.  You get the second kind because the scar tissue
around a pierce is more sensitive to bacteria than normal tissue.  It there-
fore follows that if you have two healing piercings, not only can the earlier
one (or rather, the bacteria in it) can affect the newer, but (and this is
more likely) vice versa.

I just got my tragus repierced and my (newer, but only a few months old)
ear piercing promptly got infected.  Then the one right beside *it* (even
older) promptly got infected too.

Cheers,

Debbie Chachra
chachra@bullet.ecf.utoronto.ca
From: harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Who is Ben Sansing and why is he so obnoxious?
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:25:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: tfs.1992Apr8.182555.2135
Organization: Black Leather Wings

In article <29E27200.4263@noiro.acs.uci.edu> refling@sloth.eng.uci.edu (John P. Refling) writes:
>
>I think that the last half dozen or so articles (in a row) by Ben

In all justice, the in-a-row characteristic of Mr. Sansing's articles
is no reflection on his posting habits; his site undoubtedly contacts
its upstream link only infrequently and releases his accumulated gems
of wisdom onto the net in a single batch when it does so.  News
articles are (usually) transmitted from site to site as large
compressed files; Mr. Sansing's articles remain contiguous within
these files.  Kevin Darcy, for example, has been blessed with the same
kind of site (or to be more precise the rest of us have been blessed
by his having that kind of site; IMNSHO it makes reading news much
easier - one simply slips into a rhythm of n-n-n-n-n-n, much like a
whipping scene... :-).

>flaming all kinds of people answers what he is, but I still wonder
>why he has to act that way.

"What is truth?" asked Pilate, and washed his hands... sometimes
that's the only type of answer one can give to the great questions of
life :-).


Harry Ugol
harryu@tfs.com

"Briarpatch household rule #3:  A mindfuck is a terrible thing to
waste."
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From: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Subject: Re: PA GAUGE
Reply-To: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 01:26:52 GMT


In a previous article, buck.nekkid@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Buck Nekkid) says:

>I have a question. What's a PA? Is there a MA too?

There may be; I simply have a predilition for PA!

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From: jon@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Jon E. Gefaell (KD4CQY))
Subject: Re: Home tattoo? Scarification?
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:14:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.035715.25295@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rfa@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Robert F. Alexander) writes:
>
>I have 5 different tattoos that were done at home, by hand, by myself.
>None of them ever got infected. I used out of the bottle india ink on all
>of them. My pen consisted of sewing needles melted into the end of an
>old tooth brush.
>
>I cleaned and shaved the places where they were to be put on and
>flame sterilized the needles before starting..

Same here. I've got two tattoos I did when I was rather young (about
11 - 12) Did 'em with sewing needle, india ink, and thread. Uhm,I
should note I was rather high off of 'hooch' (It was in a boys home,
we got the recipe out of the whole earth cataloque. Grape juice and
yeast, allowed to rise in a bag hidden away... :)

Of course, there was _one_ side affect... I ended up being overly interested
in Radio ... :) How about you Robert? BTW, Kimby seems to have her mind set
on a dancing bear with a oar on her lucious low low lower belly :) Right 
above paradise.... We really ought to road trip to NYC or something... Any
one know of a TERRIFIC artist near Charlottesville Va. ?
From: batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: BORING EAR PIERCING Q
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:59:47 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
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In article <1992Apr8.055426.16322@odin.corp.sgi.com> batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>	Ben, you're and idiot. Go away and leave us alone.
                    ^^^
	....And, of course, *I* can't type.


	=B^)


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From: speights@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Arlen Speights)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: A question of aesthetics
Keywords: left/right symmetry/whatever
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:29:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.0y5t06f

jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu (Bromley, Jay W.) writes:

>   Alright then, so all this rage about left/right side piercings got
>me to wondering to what people actually found pleasing (leaving aside
>left=straight and whatever if possible) in terms of pierce location.
>   I myself find a like a certain assymetry.

I, too prefer an asymmetrical placement, although I like the idea 
balancing the overall adornments.  I got my right nipple pierced
for that reason among others; I have two earrings in my left ear
and a tattoo on my left upper arm.  Plus I'm left-handed, so it's 
easier to play with (-:  And I tend to keep things in my right breast
pocket when there is one, and that would irritate it while healing.

>   So let me know what you thing about this aesthetics thing, I'm
>pretty curious, and it would be a welcome reprieve from the surrounding
>flame wars.

I'm glad I didn't use anaesthic for the nipple pierce.  The pain was
intense, but I was in it partly for the feeling of passage from one
body state to another.  And most pain, even if it's too intense for you
to consider anything else but pain, is easy to handle if you're ready
for it.  For me it was a feeling of being in control of my body as a
seperate entity, physical feeling and conscious feeling were seperate.
But if you don't care to feel the pain, I see no reason to avoid it,
except for the possibility that the piercer doesn't know what s/he is
doing.  And it will hurt when it wears off.

Have fun!
Arlen
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol)
Subject: Piercing jewelry (was: Re: WHO IS BEN SANSING AN)
Organization: Black Leather Wings
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:30:20 GMT

In article <556.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
>-> Body piercing jewelry (i.e. the defined and rather small
>-> market that winds up in places other than ears) is made of 14k gold
>-> (alloyed with I-don't-know-what), niobium, or surgical stainless
>-> steel.
>-> Period.
>
> What about titanium?  When the orthopods rebuilt my left leg, they were
>going to use titanium rods


I've never seen or heard of piercing jewelry made of titanium.  I
suspect the reason is that, while it passes the inertness test, it is
probably more expensive and no better-looking (and possibly worse
looking) then gold, niobium, or surgical stainless.  Titanium's low
density and tensile strength are advantages for prosthetics or jet
aircraft but, if anything, disadvantages for piercing jewelry (or at
least its low density would often be a disadvantage... :-).


Harry Ugol
harryu@tfs.com

"Briarpatch household rule #5:  Dessert is the most important meal of
the day."
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From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: nipple healing problem
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 18:16:33 GMT

refling@sloth.eng.uci.edu (John P. Refling) writes:

>Im still for not putting ANYTHING on a pierce, except for water solulable
>germicide (and then washing it out), and lots of warm, flowing water.

Midwest winters are cold and *very* dry. I had a nipple pierced in July
and it was still misbehaving occasionally in the winter (mainly crusties
and occasional zit-like bumps near the openings). Switching to niobium
helped a bit. Sometimes the skin does get dry and bleed a little
(esp. when the zit-like bumps are healing). I've tried several lubricants
on it, neosporin (sparingly, and only if it's been bleeding), skin lotions
with relatively little oil, and water-soluble lubricants. I'm not sure
which is best, but dry skin can get pretty nasty in winter.

Bill
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From: rfa@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Robert F. Alexander)
Subject: Re: Home tattoo? Scarification?
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:57:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.211826.24871@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:
>jane@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Jane Beckman) writes:
>>Home tattoos...  Not the best idea.  Hard to control depth, penetration, 
>>infection, those great little details.  Oh yes, and toxic reactions to the 
>>ink.  Tat ink is a special formula.  Do NOT use India ink.  The stuff is 
>>poisonous.

I have 5 different tattoos that were done at home, by hand, by myself.
None of them ever got infected. I used out of the bottle india ink on all
of them. My pen consisted of sewing needles melted into the end of an
old tooth brush.

I cleaned and shaved the places where they were to be put on and
flame sterilized the needles before starting..
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From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: MORE NIPPLE QUESTIONS
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:32:45 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft
X-Disclaimer: I speak for myself only unless explicitly indicated otherwise

ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) writes:
>Usenet: ancient mainframe conventions. Unix. People accessing via
>terminals at school or the department PC at work. Cornball.

You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, Benny.  Now be a 
good little boy and go play in your FIDONET sandbox.
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From: harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Piercing jewelry (was: Re: WHO IS BEN SANSING AN)
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:06:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: tfs.1992Apr15.180650.28375
Organization: Black Leather Wings

In article <1992Apr14.212050.10330@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> chachra@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (CHACHRA  Debbie) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.173020.26150@tfs.com> harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol) writes:
>>                                                     Titanium's low
>>density and tensile strength are advantages for prosthetics or jet
>>aircraft but, if anything, disadvantages for piercing jewelry (or at
>>least its low density would often be a disadvantage... :-).
>
>Why would its low density be a disadvantage?

One of the sensual pleasures I and many of my pierced friends enjoy,
especially those with larger-guage jewelry, is the feel of something
HEAVY pulling on the body.  The best example I can think of offhand,
although it's a dynamic situation instead of a static one, is a friend
who wears a 4 guage in his guiche and likes to lift a 20 pound barbell
with it (although I believe he's not able to walk when he does this -
and if anyone wants to correct me on the details, please do).


Harry Ugol
harryu@tfs.com

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Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:50:15 -0400 
From: Fleur Diana Dragan <fd0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Henna Tattooing


Hi, 
Long time ago some people asked for this info, and (lazy me) I just
never got around to finding it......  I have no idea if Artemis is still
at this address, but they were around long before I found them, so
they're probably still there.  The following is word for word (and
punctuation mark for punctuation mark) what they have written on their
insert except for the * which denotes their underlining.  This is "real"
henna imported from Morocco they sell.  The directions are what they
have written, not my word or implied law.  Enjoy.

Fleur
fleur+@cmu.edu

Henna Tattooing(completely and unashamedly taken from Artemis' insert):
This is a very old cosmetic art, unique to Morocco.  All brides have it
done to their hands (and feet) for their wedding.  The patterns vary,
the more intricate forms being executed by well known "henna artists, "
the simpler forms being done by someone in the market place, or a
friend.  The peasant forms tend to be much less elaborate.  The henna
paste: Mix henna powder with a solution of strong black tea, garlic
juice, lemon juice, pinch of sugar, 1/4 pinch of black pepper; forming a
thin paste that will fall in a drop at the end of a small pointed stick
(such as a kohl applicator, or sharpened wooden chop stick.)  The
traditional way of applying the mixture is with just such a stick,
dipping the stick into the henna and then touching the area to be
tattooed (a drop or small "line" will fall from the stick).  The method
is: dip and touch, dip and touch.  Modern Moroccan tattoo artists now
use a 10 or 20 cc syringe with a 20 or 21 gauge needle, making for a
really speedy application.  You may also use a frosting decorating
implement, using the "straight line tip."  Baste artwork with cotton
ball saturated with the tea solution *without* the henna, while working;
this keeps the artwork moist until done.  When design is completed, wrap
hands (feet) with sheets of cotton (obtained from pharmacy), and then
with gauze.  Let dry or dry *gently* with *low* heat of hairdryer.  Let
sit overnite, remove next day with a gentle, dilute soap mixture.  Avoid
harsh detergents or solvents.  When the pattern fades, you will be left
with an orange hue on the areas for a while.  This method can be used on
any part of the body.

Artemis Imports
P.O. Box 68
Pacific Grove, CA 93950
(408) 373-6762
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From: lrb@alex.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: RE: WHO IS BEN SANSIN
Organization: Robarts Research Institute, London Canada.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:21:13 GMT
Keywords: n

In article <585.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing)  writes:
>zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey) writes
>
>That's very interesting, considering that my statements regarding this
>"damage/maim themselves with sloppy practice", etc, was met with
>immediate flaming by "the regulars", and my attempts to offer "silly
>moments" were also met with hostile reactions.

well, my impression, is this.  you came on the net and asked some tattooing
questions, they fell through the cracks -- it happens.  then you started a
flame fest on what fools and idiots we were for getting pierced and tried to
be "as graphic as possible (i belive that to be your wording).  not a
pleasent introduction as most people seemed to have missed your tattooing
questions.  so for most people, you jumped in saying DON'T in a very
annoying manner.

now, that is my impression of you Ben, and that is what is important.  the
impression you made.  you came down on other peoples bodyart.  that is rude.
for me piercing is out, but that is just me.  and right now.  but i will
NEVER dis someone's choice of art.  it makes kind of a nice rule of thumb.
doncha think?  but if you start summat, then you have to live with the
concequences.

>The children who seem to think "rational discussion" is composed of
>hurled insults and threats may well be "out of college", but they
>conduct themselves like small children, so how can I help but make the
>assumption they ARE small children?

when you ASSuME, you make ...
Anyways. i am still waiting on that page ref to Gray's anatomy. little
respect until we see it.

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From: joeg@ecs.comm.mot.com (DX557 Joe Grosch)
Subject: Re: MORE NIPPLE QUESTIONS
Organization: trunking_terms
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 01:49:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.045727.18846@news.eng.convex.com> datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes:
>>  As an example of the above, I have the Wobbly Hissing Cat logo on my
>>shoulder.  I'm a cardcarrying wobbly, but the fact that so many people 
>>suffered personally, getting shot, beaten etc in the defence of the
>>ideals of the wobblies, right to strike, to refuse unsafe conditions,
>>etc.
>
>Am the only one who hasn't a clue as to what this "Wobbly Hissing Cat"
>business is about?
>-- 
>
>
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The Wobblies were the Workers of the World Party. A labor org. active in this country
in the early part of this century (1910 - 1940). They had Marxist leanings and at the 
end that had become VERY radical, to the point of advocating the violent overthrow
of the U.S. Goverment. This knowlege is, for me, sketchey. I am going on memorys of
long dead uncles (G-D rest their souls) who were in the Wobblies in the 30's. I grew up 
hearing about the GM strike of 1934 (?) and the Minneapolis Truck strike of 1937, where
my uncle Issac had his arm broken two places by scabs. I had thought the Wobblies
long dead. If you wait long enought every thing come back.

Josef Elijah Aaron Ben Abraham Kaczmarkaczyk Grosch - Call me Joe.



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