From: dkhaikin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin)
Subject: Re: Messiah Jesus: Miracles in the Talmud
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:48:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.134605.5678@umbc3.umbc.edu> shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>Okay, putz, I'll play.  Just for the fun if it.
>
>In article <1992Dec14.194920.4495@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay Bhuchar) writes:
>>
>>A number of you asked to see the references to Jesus miracles outside 
>>the New Testament.
>
>How many of "us" asked?  A great multitude?
>
>>Josephus: Antiquities 18.3.3
>
>Now go back and check Josephus.  Did he write that Jesus performed
>miracles, or that some people _said_ Jesus performed miracles.  There's
>a difference, you know.
>
>
>>
>>
>>In the Talmud they accused him of sorcery:
>>
>>San 43a: Yeshu has practised sorcery
>>San 107b: Jesus the Nazarene practised magic (also Sotah 47a)
>>AZ 27b: Discussion on Christian healings
>
>AHA!  You quote Talmud.  It is pretty clear from your quotations
>that you understand absolutely nothing about rabbinic aggada.  I
>assume your references were from Herford's _Christianity in Talmud
>and Midrash_.
>
>But, since you are willing to accept the Talmud as authoritative,
>you will also accept that talmudic description of him as "min
>ha-shotim" (b. Shabb. 104b) and a "mamzer" etc.  So, by your
>standards, you pray to a MAMZER SHOTEH?  (Again, this is true
>only if one accepts aggada literally, as you seem to.)
>
>>Also there are a lot of hidden references to Jesus
>
>Know why they were hidden, turkey?
>
>>Shab 104b: Did not Ben Stada [i.e. Jesus] bring forth witchcraft ...?
>
>How about quoting the rest of the text -- the part that refers to
>Jesus as a shoteh, and is father as a "bo'el" and his mother
>as "statat da m'ba'ala" (an unfahthful wife).
>
>All I can say is that if you accept Talmudic aggadta as authoritative,
>you pray to a shoteh mamzer!  
>
>>I wont insult the readers intelligence by asking you to accept the 
>>identity of Ben Stada, Ben Pandera, Balaam and many others as Jesus
>>but I dont think that you can doubt YESHU and JESUS THE NAZARENE.
>>
>>Question for the idiot Orthodox:
>>
>>Are the following miracles or sorcery?

Here is an answer for the idiot Xtian: I like reading fiction books too.
They are even kinda  funny and you are kinda funny too! Well, you see I
worship G-d and you worship a fiction story. You know what, try Chaim
Potok! Yeah, at least he does not make mistakes in writing!
Say, if 'j' guy is a moshiach, then how come there is still no peace in
the world, in fact, how come he is the one who brings wars and hatred?

Hey, Jews! I have a new idea, that improves the last idea of sending him
a lot of messages at once. What do you say we set up a time each day or
every week,  and exactly at that time send him the same thing about 3
times. That is definately organized and just might drive this guy out of
here!
What do you say?
(Quit my dear xtian, because if this goes through, you are going to be
sorry you ever got an account! You what happens when you have no memory
on the server's disk (that is run out of your quota)? Everything you
save will automatically be NOT saved, so, you will be forced to delete
them every time! Well, if you choose to do that, I, as a proud member of
a free society, respect your choice! Then have a lot of fun, but hey,
don't get tired though! Maybe if you spend all day cleaning your mail
box you will not have as much time to write that nonsense. And just
maybe you will actually spend the time (while cleaning the mail box)
thinking. Don't yo miss that feeling? Well, I guess, you don't.)

Bye - Bye,
Dima
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