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From: sysmark@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Mark Bartelt)
Subject: Re: Smoke-free travel question
Reply-To: mark@cita.toronto.edu
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:00:10 GMT

[ Andrew Farmer ]

| Canadian Airlines International and Air Canada are already 100% smoke free
| on flights within North America, and Canadian Government regulations
| will require them to be 100% smoke free on ALL flights by (I belive) the
| end of next year.

[ Scott Weaver ]

| I don't know how convenient this would be, but I'm pretty sure all Canadian
| airline companies run SMOKE-FREE flights around the world. (I know this is
| the case for North America, and I know there was talk of extending it to
| overseas flights.)

Just out of curiosity, I called up both airlines, to see what their current
policy is.  The Air Canada agent told me that all their flights to Europe
are now totally non-smoking.

The CAI agent said that the flights are "usually" nonsmoking, but that if
there's strong demand, a decision can be made at the airport to declare the
last row of the aircraft to be a smoking area.  So I asked what date the new
Canadian government regulations (which *will* require that all flights on all
airlines operating as Canadian-based companies be totally nonsmoking) will
be taking effect.  She had to check with a supervisor.  When she came back,
she said that the regulations *did* take effect in April of this year, and
that the "one smoking row" nonsense applied only on flights to South America
and the orient.  However, I'm a bit confused by this:  If the new regulation
is in effect, then all their flights should be nonsmoking, everywhere.  So
perhaps the April date referred to an internal company policy.

In any case, I'd be a bit worried about doing business with an airline that
said that a flight would "probably" be all nonsmoking, but subject to last
minute alteration just before takeoff!  So I'd go with Air Canada over CAI,
if at all possible.  Happy breathing!

Mark Bartelt                                                   416/978-5619
Canadian Institute for                                mark@cita.toronto.edu
Theoretical Astrophysics                              mark@cita.utoronto.ca

"Sheep not busy being shorn are busy frying" - Dylan, at a NZ lamb barbecue
            [ singing "It's all right, ma (I'm only bleating)" ]
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 23:22:21 -0400 
From: Michel Fougeres <mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Traveling to Europe and need some pointers

Excerpts from netnews.rec.travel: 7-Oct-92 Traveling to Europe and nee..
by Rob Stokes@QMail.SSC.Gov 
>From: Rob_Stokes.Operations@QMail.SSC.Gov (Rob Stokes)
>Subject: Traveling to Europe and need some pointers
>Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:18:15 GMT
> 
>Hey Everyone,
>I am headed to Europe in mid January through February.  After the first
>week of snow skiing in the Italian Alps, I will be bumming around Europe
>for about two or three weeks.  Here are some questions I have:
>1) How should I travel?
>After I get to Europe, should I rent a car the entire time I'm there? 
>Should I plan to take a train to each destination and then rent a car or
>make it on foot?  Should I hitch-hike and rent a car on a as needed basis?
>2) Is $2200 enough?
>I have planned on spending around $2200, but I'll have access to as much as
>$5000 to get around on; how much should I plan on spending?  I am a very
>cheap person by nature so some hardships are no big deal.  I rarely have to
>go 1st class.
>3) Will it be too cold?
>Along the Mediterranean I figure it will be the warmest, however, the coast
>is at the same latitude as New York; it's always freezing in New York
>during January & February.  I am from Texas where 80 degrees is cold to me.
> Will I be miserable?
>4) What countries should I visit?
>I would like to visit Italy, France and Greece at least.  Are there any
>better suggestions based on my nature (listed in the other questions here)?
>5) What language barriers will I encounter?
 (etc. etc. etc...)

I think you ask too many questions and many people will feel that you
are totally helpless, even though you keep saying that you can rough
it...  who has time to baby you up through all that ?   

Yes it WILL be cold.  You want to hitch-hike in mid-Winter ?   Good luck...

I personally love the freedom of a Eurailpass (but you despise first
class...) then there is a "second-class something-pass" for students
only, which is cheaper. 
$2200 for 3 weeks should be enough but of course $5000 would be much better.

Yes, along the Mediterranean coast it WILL be comfortable but inland
they have at times ice cold winter winds.

All over Europe there are hotel people who speak 4 or 5 languages
including English and many store or restaurant people too but of course
it is always nice to speak some European language like French or German.
 

By the way I was planning to go myself in the Fall but now I am thinking
of  Spring and my route might be France --> Belgium --> Switzerland -->
Austria --> Germany.  I definitely plan to buy a Eurailpass, even though
it is expensive, but then I have total freedom of planning my visits on
a day-by-day basis.   

Good luck to you,  

=====================================================================

The length of a minute depends on which side of the bathroom door you're on.

                                


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From: riehm@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Carl Riehm)
Subject: Hotels in San Antonio
Organization: McMaster University, Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 02:33:54 GMT

Can anyone tell me about nice hotels in S.A.?  Luxorious or full of character,
expensive or not, along the river or away from the center, ....
No preconceived ideas....    Thanks.  Carl.
From: hrcoord@igc.apc.org (Human Rights Coordinator)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Hotel in San Francisco
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:19:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:CINDY.92Oct6212055@solan10.solan:904521207:cdp:1460300122:000:317
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Oct 10 11:19:00 1992


Sheehan Hotel, on Sutter St., one block from Union Square and easy
walking distance to Moscone......their number is 415/775-6500. Their
rates are very good and I think you can get a room for $59 and under.
they also have a great tea room with home made scones and I think a
free breakfast comes with the room.

Debra
From: phil@BofA.com (Phil Schlesinger)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Turkey Information Requested
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:31:57 GMT
Organization: Bank of America, Capital Products, RMTG #5906


I'm on my way to Turkey next week; actually I'm using a freebie
airline ticket RT Athens, so if anyone can help with relevant
tips I'd really appreciate it :-)

Specifically,

	1) What is the whether in Western Turkey during late October
	   and early November? 

	2) Best way to anywhere in Turkey from Athens? Bus? Ferry?
	   Train?

	3) What would you see if you had (as I do) only two weeks
	   in Anatolia?

I usually travel "Lonely Planet" style with no fixed agenda & like
to mix with people, so I'm pretty much open to ideas.

Thanks.
From: ja_rich@pavo.concordia.ca (RICHARDS, JAMES A)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: looking for info on trip from Frankfurt to Prague
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:27:00 GMT

Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
From: 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: y
Date: 14 Oct 1992 00:17:14 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - Liechtenstein
============================================================
Liechtenstein - Consular Information Sheet
 October 7, 1992


U.S. Representation:  There is no U.S. Embassy or Consulate in 
Liechtenstein.  For assistance, American citizens can contact the 
U.S. Consulate General in Zurich, Switzerland, telephone (41) (1) 
422-2566.

Country Description:  Liechtenstein is a stable, democratically run 
constitutional monarchy with a modern economy.  Tourist facilities 
are widely available.

Entry Requirements:  A visa is not required for tourist or business 
stays up to three months.  For further information concerning entry 
requirements for Liechtenstein, travelers can contact the Embassy of 
Switzerland at 2900 Cathedral Avenue N.W., Washington D.C. 20008, 
tel (202) 745-7900, or the nearest Swiss Consulate General in 
Atlanta, San Francisco, Houston, Chicago, Los Angeles, or New York.

Medical Facilities:  Good medical care is available.  Doctors and 
hospitals often expect immediate cash payment for health 
services.U.S. medical insurance is not always valid out of the 
United States.  Travelers have found that in some cases, 
supplemental medical insurance with specific overseas coverage has 
proved to be useful.  Further information on health matters can be 
obtained from the Centers for Disease Control's international 
travelers hotline on (404) 332-4559.

Information on Crime:  Liechtenstein has a low crime rate.  U.S. 
citizens can refer to the Department of State's pamphlet, "A Safe 
Trip Abroad" for ways to promote a more trouble-free voyage.  The 
pamphlet is available from the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. 
Government Printing Office, Washington D.C. 20402.

Drug Penalities:  Penalties for possession, use, or dealing in 
illegal drugs are strict, and convicted offenders can expect jail 
sentences and fines.  

Registration: Americans who register at the Zurich Consulate 
General can obtain updated information on travel and security within 
the area.

 No. 92-031

Xref: sparky rec.travel:14398 soc.culture.british:14164
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - United Kingdom (was Re: y)
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:38:21 GMT
	<CC.92Oct14173344@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>
	<1992Oct14.195653.23885@colorado.edu> <1bi1pgINNfd9@fido.asd.sgi.com>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1bi1pgINNfd9@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:

   You mean that when Chis said that the sheets for *all* the
   other western European countries said "highly developed stable 
   democracy" he wasn't even telling us the truth?

   I'm shocked.   Naughty Chris.

Yes, I'm mortified.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon)
Subject: Re: US Summer Camp info wanted
Originator: rvloon@triton.cv.ruu.nl
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:03:53 GMT
Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group

In <1992Oct14.093341.1@hfrd.dsto.gov.au> mudge@hfrd.dsto.gov.au writes:

|"I'm planning a trip to the U.S. in about June next year am almost certain I
|"will apply to act as a Camp Supervisor at a summer camp for the kiddies. Over
|"here in Australia,there are two companies which organise such placements: Camp
|"America, and Camp Counsellors USA.

Go with Camp Counsellors USA. Camp America's management is sloppy, inflexible
and error-prone. Camp Counsellors USA is a tiny well managed organisation. I
went to the US with Camp America twice, and both times there were slip-ups;
not only with me, but with other people as well. The experiences by people
hired through CCU were much better.

|"2) camp life in general, from a supervisor's point of view.

Depens on what you want to supervise; it's hard work, demanding, 
labor-intensive, underpaid, and you will have the experience of a life time
with some friends for life thrown in for free.
-- 
Ronald van Loon (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) 3DCV Group, Utrecht, The Netherlands.

"I believe the word you are looking for is "AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!"
    - The Penguin (Batman ][)
From: vanswari@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Judith Dillon)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Good Crab Restaurants In and Around Baltimore
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:07:46 GMT
Reply-To: vanswari@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Judith Dillon)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, Carderock Division, NSWC

In rec.travel, STU@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>Well, it isn't exactly Baltimore, but Cantler's Riverside Inn near
>Annapolis is the best on that side of the Bay Bridge.  If you will be
>there next Friday, I'll buy you a beer.  /Stu Bell


SSSHHHH!!!  You aren't supposed to tell people about Jimmie's........
I'm going there today for lunch...

Judy
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ett@island.island.COM (Ed T. Tabachini)
Subject: WANTED-Dollar Car upgrades
Summary: Dollar Rent-A-Car upgrade certificates
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:50:12 GMT

Does anybody have a Dollar Rent-A-Car upgrade certificate they'd be willing
to part with for a nominal fee?


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From: sevigny@microw.enet.dec.com (Marc Sevigny)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Prague and Budapest
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:11:41 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

I'm trying to decide if I should go to Prague and Budapest (solo).  Could
someone give me a feel for the average costs for:

1. Accomodations (I don't need elegant)
2. Food (restaurants and markets)
3. Recreation (drinks, entertainement).

I hear that both are beautiful cities, and I would really like to see them,
but I need to know how much cash to budget in order to see them.

Post here or e-mail preferred.  Thanks.

Marc

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Smoke-free travel question
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:26:54 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

>twriter1@pencom.com writes:
>
>| My husband and I would like to take a trip to Europe
>| one of these days.  The problem is he is EXTREMELY 
>| sensitive to cigarette smoke (projectile vomiting, etc.).


   My wife and I are militant nonsmokers but as world travelers
   one of the things we've discovered is that this quaint little
   concept of nonsmokers rights is mainly a peculiar American 
   affectation.   If you're going to travel internationally
   you're going to get smoked-on.  Period.   You can avoid it
   on carefully chosen international flights.  But once in 
   Europe you'll discover that smoking is quite common and 
   the cigarettes people smoke are often quite strong and most 
   places will laugh at you if you demand a nonsmoking section.
   We've been in excellent restaurants there that had the strange 
   habit of giving all their (male) customers complementary
   after-diner cigars.   I flew on a point-to-point flight 
   in Europe a couple of years ago on an airline which divided
   the plane into smoking and nonsmoking SIDES!   

   The other thing is that the air in some of the cities, e.g., 
   Paris, Athens (many others) is badly polluted.  My wife, who
   was a member of GASP for many years, ducked into a tobacconist's
   shop to catch a breath of breathable air once in Paris!

   If your husband is as sensitive as you say to smoke he's going
   to be *wretchedly miserable* in Europe (and Asia, and many other
   foreign destinations).   I suggest stay home unless he wants to
   carry a gas mask or portable respirator.    I'm serious.

   ("projectile vomiting" from cigarette smoke?    Has he seen
   a doctor about this?  )


---peter
From: ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: X-C Skiing
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:02:09 GMT

Can any kind sould provide the address of the Norwegian X-C Skiing
organisation? I believe that they run lots of reasonably priced huts on ski
routes around Norway.

Thanks.

Roger Hare.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: tom@igs.com (Tom Nelson)
Subject: your idea of fun in Manhattan
Organization: IGS, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 16:03:17 GMT

I'm looking for comments on anyone's ideas for fun
things to do in Manhattan. I know everyone has their
own interests and ideas of what is fun or entertaining.
That's fine, I'd still like to hear from you.
OK, I do have one specific question: Can anyone 
recommend a musical to see, preferably something more
contemporary.

Thanks, Tom

-- 
Tom Nelson
IGS, Inc., Boulder, CO
tom@igs.com
From: 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: *NEW* TRAVEL INFORMATION -- Hungary
Date: 13 Oct 1992 17:21:11 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - Hungary
============================================================
Hungary - Consular Information Sheet
 October 7, 1992

Embassy Location:  The U.S. Embassy in Hungary is located at V. 
Szabadsag Ter 12 in Budapest; telephone (36) (1) 112-6450.

Country Description: Hungary is a moderately developed European 
nation undergoing profound political and economic changes.  Tourist 
facilities outside Budapest are not as developed as those found in 
western Europe, and many of the goods and services taken for granted 
in other western countries are not yet available.

Entry Requirements:  A visa is not required for stays up to 90 
days.  Further information concerning entry requirements for 
Hungary, can be obtained at the Embassy of the Republic of Hungary 
at 3910 Shoemaker Street NW, Washington DC 20008, tel (202) 
362-6730, or the Hungarian Consulate General in Los Angeles or New 
York.

Medical Facilities:  Medical facilities in Hungary are limited.  
Doctors and hospitals often expect immediate cash payment for health 
services.  Not all U.S. medical insurance is valid overseas.  In 
some cases, travelers have found it useful to obtain supplemental 
medical insurance that specifically covers treatment in a foreign 
country.  Further information on health matters can be obtained from 
the Centers for Disease Control's international travelers hotline on 
(404) 332-4559.

Crime Information: Hungary has a low rate of violent crime.  
Recently, however, street crime has increased especially at night 
near major hotels and restaurants.  Useful information on guarding 
valuables and protecting personal security while traveling is 
provided in the pamphlet, "A Safe Trip Abroad", which is available 
from the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing 
Office, Washington, DC 20402.

Other Information:  The acceptance of traveler's checks and credit 
cards is not universal.

Drug Penalties:  Penalties for possession, use, and dealing in 
illegal drugs are strict, and convicted offenders can expect jail 
sentences and fines.

Registration: Americans who register at the Consular Section of the 
U.S. Embassy may obtain updated information on travel and security 
within the country.

 No. 92-024
From: meir@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (Yigal Meir)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Renting a US car to drive to Canada
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:30:59 GMT


>In article <1992Oct3.160331.10839@tc.cornell.edu> splee@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Seng-Poh Lee) writes:
>>Do any US Rental companies rent cars that you can drive to Canada?
>>I know most rental companies only carry insurance for the 48 contigous
>>states, but there must be a way for someone who needs to travel to 
>>Canada to do this. If anybody has done this or knows about rental
>>companies that allow this, please post, or reply.
>>

 Recently I have rented a car in Seattle, WA. When I made the
 reservation by phone, the agent asked me if I planned to drive to
 Canada. When I answered positively, he told me not to forget to pick
 up some document when I get the car. When I did pick up the car,
 I forgot all about it. So on my way I stopped at one Hertz agency in
 Tacoma, WA. When I explained what I was looking for, the agent claimed
 that he had never heard of such a thing, and he had no such forms.
 Needless to say, I had no problems going in and out of Canada (meaning
 carwise, the story about how I forgot my passport belongs to a
 different subject). Of course, it does not say that if something had
 happened, I wouldn't have needed some extra document.
 Another fact, which may or may not be relevant, is that once I drove
 with my car from Boston to Quebec. I called my insurance agent and
 he sent me some document to take with me.
 Hope this has been helpful.
----------------------------------------------
Yigal Meir
Physics Dept
UCSB
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Smoke-free travel question
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:50:14 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <CC.92Oct12172411@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
>In article <Bvv9wv.IKy@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>
>      My wife and I are militant nonsmokers but as world travelers
>      one of the things we've discovered is that this quaint little
>      concept of nonsmokers rights is mainly a peculiar American 
>      affectation.
>
>Most of Britain is fairly non-smoking; it's certainly a minority habit,
>anyway, and is frowned upon by lots of people.  Smokeless areas are probably
>more hard to come by than in the USA, but they're quite common.


  The restaurant I mentioned with the free after-dinner cigars was
  in London (somewhere near South Kensington but I don't recall the
  name) . . . a short walk from #16 where we were staying -- #16
  was very nice BTW.


---peter
From: crb1@druwa.ATT.COM (BotnerCR)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Honeymoon in Scotland
Summary: Scotland Honeymoon - YES!
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:41:50 GMT


I just got back from Scotland (October 5) and throughly enjoyed it.

Scotland is a very beautiful country, and we found the people to be
quite friendly and helpful.

We were only there 3 days, and I would like to go back and spend a
couple weeks at least.  There are many things to see and do and if you're
a golfer, there's even more.

If you decide to go, do some research on the cost of things.  A good
travel agent can be most helpful.  An example of what I'm talking about:

If you golf, you can arrange a tee time for the Old Course at St Andrews
yourself and pay 34 pounds.  There are businesses in Scotland that arrange
Golfing Holidays for you and then add about 50% to your cost for doing it.

Right now 34 pounds equals about $61.00 ($1.80 to buy 1 pound).
Everything is expensive in Great Britian.  If you are prepared, you will
have an even better time.

I would like to go back and spend about 2 weeks there.

Claudia
..att!druwa!crb1
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Smoke-free travel question
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 17:54:39 GMT

|> ->I hate smoke but am not allergic. Someone tipped me off that the 
|> ->top section of a 747 is all non-smoking. The air was quite pleasant up
|> ->there, relatively speaking. Of course, it's not hermetically sealed.
|> 
|> it's also usually (not always, but usually) all business class or
|> higher up there.

I think this depends on the airline.  I recently flew from Zurich to
JFK on a SwissAir 747.  Upstairs was all non-smoking economy class.  We
were packed in 6 across with only 1 aisle, making it pretty noisy, but
at least it was non-smoking.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: nbeck@weber.ucsd.edu (Nathaniel Beck)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Scotlant (not a honeymoon)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 17:12:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: When is the festival in 93

While off the subject of honeymoons, does anyone know the dates for
the Edinburgh Festival for this coming summer.

Also, any suggestions of B&B's for Edinburgh for the Festival would
be welcomed. We found one a few years ago, but we called so late
that we ended up a fair way down Leith Walk.

Thanks in advance

Neal

-- 
Neal Beck 
Dept of Politcal Science, UCSD
beck@ucsd.edu
Dislaimer: The Regents pay me (in scrip?) to distribute my opinions!