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From:         Jim Wright 858-8188 <JCWRIGH%CLEMSON.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My penmanship is messy too.

I also have poor penmenship, but that stems from my elementary school's
poor treatment of me. I was in kindergarten, yet i could read on a first
grade level.  The bureaucrats in their infinite wisdom mandated that I
become a Persephone.  I was to spend half the day in kindergarten and
the other half in first grade.  While doing this I always missed the
writing time and therefore had underdeveloped fine motor skills.  The
first time I took a writing class was when i was in second grade, but
the class was during my time in third grade reading.  So here I was,
this young second grader with sparse writing experience trying to do
cursive.  The best course I ever took was in ninth grade when I took
mechanical drawing and did 458 pages of lettering.  My handwriting vastl
y improved.
The Jimmer
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Real Redundancy (was Re: flaming fye)

Retorteth Doctor Graham Toal

> Well, it was significant to the plot that Onan's brother Er was dead
> while Onan was alive; Onan could have referred to him as 'my dead
> brother', therefore it is not redundant as he may well have had another
> brother who wasn't dead at the time...

     If I was quoting Onan in the context you have suggested I would
agree with you.  But I was quoting you in a context where I found it
to be redundant, unless you are trying to reveal that you are actually
an immortal who was known previously as 'Onan'.

The Ronin

p.s. As to the hug voucher, I believe I did keep a copy, but that was
     from when I had my employee accounts.  Getting a copy back out of
     there may be a bit of a challenge.  Then again, if I succeed, I
     could probably go into the counterfeit voucher business.  ;-)
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      music-math relationship

>By the way, if any of you have any thoughts on that music-math relationship
> ...

I think I will have to start taking piano lessons soon if I want to
pass the qualifiers. The whole damned department seems to play the piano,
except for a minority, who seems to playt the violin or something.

I know next to nothing of classical music. But I was handicapped. In the
Tata Institute (Bombay) Math department, people would be mildly surprised
to hear that I was ignorant only of Carnatic classical music, but Hiundustani
as well. No one said anything explicitly (they were very kind) but I could
guess that they were shaking their heads sadly behind my back. They had
almost written me off ("poor chap will never do mathematics") when I made a
Herculean effort to start learning what music was all about.

Unfortunately I did not realise that the requirements in US universities
would be different. In summer I am going to take a remedial course called
"How to listen" or some such. If I don't make head or tail of it, then I
guess I'll just have to shift to economics.

tushar
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Date: 10 Apr 92 01:07:04 GMT
Organization: Robobar Ltd., Perivale, Middx., ENGLAND.

In article <9204090134.AA03932@Ra.MsState.Edu> maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Natalie Maynor) writes:
>Like understanding exactly which muscles are doing what when you're
>walking?  I guess that might be helpful in some way, although I'm not
>really sure.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Very useful knowledge if you have a chronic back problem.  Helps you
avoid painful slips.  Just like grammar really.

G
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: BWP Stats 4/4/92

Stephen, I complained?  I wasn't complaining, just listing.  I would
never complain about math courses.

Evelyn
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>In article <9204130249.AA26254@Ra.MsState.Edu> "Natalie Maynor"
><maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU> says:
>>> fact the listowner is not a sir.
>>
>>Oh...  Check the list headers sometime.  One of the listowners is
>>Sir Bernard Chien Perro. :-)
>
>That mutt won't be a sir either if my sword and I ever catch up
>with him.
>
>*whack* *whack* ... instant soprano.
>

   A few whacks may remove him of testicles but not of his honour.

Steve Portigalectomy
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              15 Apr 92 13:17:32 -0500. <9204152303.AA04883@sics.se>

  Natalie says:

  >Now we're into the problem of defining linguistics.  If the question is
  >whether one has to study linguistics formally in order to reach the
  >conclusion that language change isn't bad, the answer is no.

  Well, you may define linguistics however you like. My problem is that
I don't see what knowledge is embodied in the statement "there is nothing
wrong with changes in language", as you have explicated it.
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16) Rocko/Filmor X. Smith (Steve P.)
  Actually I thought I explained this.  On MISC (another mailing list)
Alison Smith (presumably) mistakenly posted a letter to her father to the
entire list.  It was your basic inane family conversation.  I took the
liberty of responding directly to the list, as her father (Filomar X.
Smith seemed like as good a name as any) expressing concern about her
drug abusing boyfriend.  Minutes later, an incoherent message from someone
professing to be "Rocko" joined the fray and he and I insulted each other
from our pretend roles.  It was quite funny, in fact my character's brother
Gilbert Smith joined the group and we created some very funny dialogue.  It
was even funnier to see how absolutely INCENSED the group got, even though
there was NO other traffic on the list.  We were insulted by many close
minded individuals.  It was pretty funny, and I figured that Alison must
have been embarassed or *something*.  She never was heard from again.  Until
last week.  When she posted a similarly inane message to her father, this
time to WORDS-L.  This I found amazing, since those on WORDS are far more
dangerous than those on MISC (as a group, anyway).  I guess Alison must
lurk on many many lists, but rarely participates in any that I know of.
My "rocko" told me that a similar family discussion has shown up on FOLKLORE,
so I joined it, but nothing has happened so far.

42) Berries Goodman/The Prince of Central Park (Steve P.)

    Just two books I remember my mother reading to me when I was old
enough to read.  I think they both had won prizes for children's novels
(the Newberry Medal? I wouldn't swear that either had actually won that
medal, however).  I don't remember the plot of the first, but the second
involves a young boy who lives with his divorced mother who has no time
for him, and only wants to get a new husband.  It's very sad.  He
decides to go live in Central Park (in New York).  He steals wood and
supplies to build himself a treehouse and I think he befriends an old
woman.  Eventually he gains some of his self esteem back by being
independent, and it ends very happily, although I forget how.  There
was also a movie in which he was given a sister in order to have dialogue
replace what he is thinking in the book.  Never saw the film.
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change

>language?  Indeed, after a while, the speakers would naturally feel that
>JEW meant .... It would be an inextricable part of the morphosemantic
>structure;  it cannot have meaning without being a part of the whole.  Linguist
>s describing the language would have to say JEW MEANS dirty rotten, etc. they
>would not have the priveledge of saying: "JEW is not a part of the language it
>merely is a reflection of the culture."

I agree.  I don't see what I've said that is to the contrary.

> well, people are not right or wrong or good or bad either by this line
> of reasoning: their behaviour is bad, but they can find redemption, etc.

I suppose you could argue that.

> no. you must state how sound change can be unrelated to cultural change and
> still hold your argument.  Oh, maybe I get it, you think that language is

I'm not sure what your point is here.  As far as I know, the Great Vowel
Shift occurred in English without any cultural catalyst.  The same could
be said for Grimm's Law in Proto-Germanic.  The same could be said for
vowel raising before nasals in Southern U.S. speech this century.

> >positive.  They pushed this view onto enough people to cause the loss
> >of multiple negatives in most dialects of English.
> Now I REALLY need to see your evidence, MOST dialects???  Who's counting?
> Double neg's as intensifier abound in my environment, and I dare say in
> yours...or has Mississippi been declared a non-english speaking state?

Ok, let's say "in many dialects of English" if you find that more
acceptable.  I'm not counting.

> The rarity of the occurance of INTENTIONAL change undermines your point;
> the French Academy has been losing this battle for centuries.  Thus, why
> bother talking about a rare and marginal phenonomenon.  You might as
> well say language is onomatopoeic, because you can find an example or two.

We seem to be going in a circle here.  You brought up the question of
intentionality.  I replied that it was rare but possible.  You asked
for evidence.  I agree that talking about a rare and marginal phenomenon
isn't worth the bother.  I would not have brought it up.  You did.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "PLOTKIN, ALEC DAVID" <185422285%UCIS.VILL.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Pencils (was Re: TV)
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Non- Mechanical pencils are useless. I would think about using them but
can never find a sharpener. My school has few. Pentel .05 pencils
which are mechanical are very nice. I buy 6 leads and few erasers
and i am set.



later

alec
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Steve P., I apologize, The Ronin

Steve,

     I have done a careful rereading of my postings about STD's agree,
I owe you and the list an apology.  My thoughts were poorly formed and
clearly offensive with respect to classifying children as a disease.
Please accpet my apologies on this matter.  I may try to recompose my
thoughts and repost, but I am not sure it is a worthwhile effort at
this point.

The Ronin
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      Re: Bitnet or Internet Words-L?
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>It is only better if you have a full Internet address.  I do not have one at
>PACEVM, but 2 nodes away, CUNYVM, has one, cunyvm.cuny.edu .  I have tried it
>that way, but the mail did not reach me any better.

I do have a full Internet address. On Bitnet:axd7104@NYUACF (or @NYUACF1, or
@NYUACF7, ad infinitum.  They're all the same thing.  On Internet: axd7104@
ACFcluster.nyu.edu.  These are all the same account.

>>So I sent in a SUB request to uga.cc.uga.edu, sat back, and waited.  Now, as
>>expected, I am getting two copies of each message,
>Unsubscribe from one address, or set NOMAIL for it.

I didn't UNSUB from the other intentionally.  I was testing to see which was
better.  The BITNET one has since been canned.

>According to the heading information, Aaron sent his note from NYUACF, which is
>on Bitnet.  It is not to Aaron's advantage to subscribe to WORDS-L through the
>Internet.

Since the link probs got sorted out, Internet does seem to be working much
faster.  At least, I'm getting copies of my own messages much quicker than
I did with Bitnet.  Plus I don't have to deal with all those link
transmission messages.  Why the header shows it as coming from Bitnet I
don't know, but this cluster has full links to both networks.  (BTW, why
are the Internet headers so much longer?)

>>Anyone out there know if this is just a temporary thing?
>No.  It is a 'feature' of LISTSERV or the mail routing systems or both.

Well, I don't even remember what I was asking about here. :)

>>Is it better to subscribe through Internet rather than Bitnet?
>Only if there is an Internet equivalent for NYUACF; I do not think that there
>is one.

There is, as said above.  This was all settled a few days ago, actually.
What's up with YOUR links? :chuckle:

Of course, I could be summarily dumped from my account at any time, so
this is probably all going to be moot in the end anyway. :sigh: (Thanks
to all who sent msgs of help/support...I'm in the process of seeing
what I can do, but I get the feeling that the people at ACF here are
really annoyed by my existence.  They're not used to the concept of non-
CS students having accounts.  To which I say: THIS IS OUR HOUR!

--Aaron
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      Happy Horoscope

Happy Birthday, Karen! ...and from the Tampa Tribue:

If today is your birthday, destiny has big things in store; stay fit and
ready to show what you can do.  May sees you with more money; budget
wisely for growth.  New additions to family are the news in August.  After
October, partnerships are key to success; unexpected changes work in your
favor.

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought
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>
> Generalization alert:  *In general* my students who went to public
> schools *tend* to be better than those who went to private schools.
> That is especially noticeable for the ones from Starkville, Mississippi.
> (That, of course, may be related to the fact that most of the university
> faculty and staff, a pretty significant segment of the population of
> Starkville, are staunch supporters of public schools.)
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

I think the university influence can make a big difference.  I teach in
a small town where education is not a major priority in the community.
More than 50 percent of our students come from homes where neither
parent attended college. There is tremendous community support for the
football program (although that's pretty much a given in a Texas high
 school) and for extracurricular activities, particularly those like
drill team and band.  Support for academics is not a large priority in
the community.  A standard excuse for students who are not
doing well academically is "But I don't have *time* to study...I have to work so
I can pay for my truck (car, whatever)"...and this is supported by
parents..."The kids have to have their own cars so they can go out and
have fun with their friends."

I did not intend to suggest that *all* public schools are inadequate...but
 unfortunately, I'm afraid that many are.
ndh
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:>Muffy is pregnant???
:
:Gee, that would be interesting ...Bernard and Muffy have never met...and
:Muffy is a male.

First you draw your dog like a cat, now you give it a
female name!  Are you trying to give your animal an identity crisis or what?...

G
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
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> Linguistics is a secondary function of language.  Language would exist without
> it and therefore the rules of linguistics, or what makes sense linguistically,
> is secondary to what makes sense for a society.

True.  English got along just fine without any formal study of its grammar
for many, many years.   But I'm a little bit confused by what you mean
the "rules of linguistics."  I can't quite imagine a language that exists
without phonological, morphological, and syntactical rules.  I'm talking
now about the rules acquired effortlessly by all native speakers, not
prescriptive rules.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Carol Goodson <CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: SHOUT (NOT)

on the other hand, it's nice not to have all the "controls" usually demanded
of us in normal (did I say that?) social discourse... freedom from so much
restraint is part of what I like about the lists... you can respond with so
much more spontaneity....
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: instant soprano
Organization: Independent scholar
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:03:09 GMT


>>--Bayla, in Pedant hat, notes that it is her understanding that castration
>>*after* the voice has changed does *not* result in sopranification of the
>>victim.  ...
>>
>>I doubt, however, whether accuracy will prevail over colorful idiom,
>>especially one so closely related to tender male sensitivities.

And Chris replied:

>Not to mention the difficulty you'll have in finding willing participants on
>which to test your hypothesis.

Bayla's Pedant Hat goes on again: it's not a hypothesis, it's an
observation.  Willing or no, the procedure has been performed on adult
males many times (not always intentionally -- think of the euphemism 'war
wound').  I remember reading somewhere that in harems, the eunuchs were
capable enough of erection etc -- but since they couldn't father children,
the master of the house didn't ind if the harem occupants disported
themselves occasionally.  Anyone have authoritative information?


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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Letter frequencies (was Re: Gleanings (38))

::I do NOT understanding the "ordering by Morse" unless it means the one
::that he developed from sort of analysis.   As a near-expert in Morse Code,
::the order is NOT strictly in order of "length" or "simplicity" of the
::characters.  Generally ones that are more frequent are shorter and simpler,
::but by no means all of them.
:
:That's what I meant, yes.
:
:G

Fine. Now what does "ordering by Morse" mean ?

tushar
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pre-Clam Slam

Thanks for the descriptions!  I'm having a great time trying to picture
the scene.

How many of today's gatherers had met each other "in real life" before?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings

Sayeth        QXN148%URIACC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu

> I can usually get through breakfast by drinking Slim-Fast but lunch poses a
> problem; I want a bacon-cheeseburger and fries with my delicious shake.

     See how much the diet is helping?  You didn't want a double
bacon-cheeseburger, only a single.

The Ronin
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>It seems more awful that Arthur Ashe got AIDS because of how he got it...
>through a blood transfusion during what WAS supposed to be a healing
>procedure.     I admire him for being able to be so calm about it...I'm
>afraid I might be suing... at least I'd be bitter.
>
  He probably was.  That was 3 1/2 year ago that he found out about it,
though.  I don't think he'd be doing very well if he was still consumed
with bitterness.

Steve
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: flipping channels
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On Tue, 14 Apr 1992, The Ronin cleverly suggested:
>
>      Depending on how observant the person is to such things, simply
> putting the batteries in backwards might lead to the desired effect.
> If this ruse works, then do it shortly after each new set is put in
> and it should be possible to convince the offender that the control is
> broken.  One can but hope.
>
I like that!  *Very* sneaky...I'll let you know if it works.
ndh
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