HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chuck@fourier.ssd.kodak.com (Charles S. Collins 726-9461)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: URGENT Information re Pat Robertson Needed
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:50:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Oct16.165050.9752
Organization: Eastman Kodak

In article <memo.673170@cix.compulink.co.uk> dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
>
>Here's an urgent appeal for help from Britain.
>
>Pat Robertson has applied for a cable / satellite television
>license in Britain, which would also give him access to all of
>Europe.
>

Talk about the Ugly American!  What would the world think of us after
watching an hour of him?  On second thought, the Euro Neo-Fascists
would love him.


-- 
Chuck Collins				Product Software Engineering
chuck@pixel.kodak.com			Eastman Kodak Company
(716)726-9461				901 Elmgrove Road
					Rochester, NY  14653-5811
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: By popular demand..
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:46:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.44015
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <Bw2C08.BHu@cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>                                  - I bow gracefully and present myself
>to you. Best on a greyscale or a color monitor.

Now I know where the two '!!'s in FJ!! some from!

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:12:18 GMT

In article <Bvsrur.JzC@cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>>Have you tried a tanning bed?  My husbear swore that his nipple rings were
>>"liitle minature shish-kebobs" the first time he tried a Wolff (sp?) machine.
>
>Why didn't he just stick them in the Microwave?
>
>So simple, just drill two holes in the door to put them through. Years
>of fun await.
Not to mention the photos in the National Enquirer!



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Allan Bloom died
Date: 09 Oct 92 16:01:34 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <1992Oct8.185650.13087@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
[deletion]
>
>In any case, could somebody get the Advocate or QW to "out" him
>posthumously?
>

Bit of the ghoul, are you, Heather? Considering the fact that Bloom was
alive a lot longer than he's been dead, why didn't you post this ante
mortem as it were? Your request did not strike me as being appropriate,
needed, or in particularly tasteful.

But then I'm more of a relic than an icon of civilization as we knew
it, and as such knowing nothing.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kiser@ifi.unizh.ch (Markus Kiser)
Subject: Re: The Rainbow Flag
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 13:23:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.195006.1729@oracle.us.oracle.com> schiles@us.oracle.com writes:
>This morning's San Francisco Chronicle contained an article announcing
>that the S.F. Library Board had OKed the Gay Flag. This news makes me
>happy, so happy in fact that I typed it in (without permission) to post
>here.  As I typed, though, a sadness came over me.  I began to think of
>all the cities and towns where similar decisions could not and would not
>be made.
>...

Last Monday, as I was walking through the streets of Zurich together
with Alex, we discovered the first Rainbow Flag we had ever seen in
Zurich. The flag was hanging out of a window of an old house in the
very centre of Zurich in the oldtown called 'Niederdorf'. (Close to
the Odeon Cafe, for those of you who know Zurich a bit).

It was a good feeling to discover that Rainbow Flag in Zurich, this
sign that we had seen so often in San Francisco and that impressed us
so much.

Ah, and a lot of nice memories came up, too.

--markus
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 08 Oct 92 15:20:26 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <CARLTON.92Oct7085238@scws8.harvard.edu> carlton@scws8.harvard.edu (david carlton) writes:
[deletions]
>
>I'm with Nelson on this one.  I'd heard of her before a few months
>ago, but not before a couple of years ago (when I saw _Blue Angel_ for
>a class of mine) (Should there be a "The" in that title?), and just
>last year I saw a movie that she was in without realizing that it was
>she.  Oh, I suppose it's possible that I'd heard the name before a
>couple of years ago; but I wouldn't count on it, and if so it
>certainly wasn't a name that I considered important.
>

It's the decline of standards, I tell you, that's what's
wrong with the world today. When I read
faggots-in-good-standing admitting that they had never heard
of Marlene Dietrich, it makes me want to turn in my Queer
Card. Obviously, it's a meaningless scrap of paper these
days. It used to be that being a faggot meant something,
meant you were part of a culture, with a common set of
referents. But no more! They let just anybody be a faggot.
What's a mother to do! You work and you slave, and this is
the thanks you get. Ignorant, uncultured, unreferenced,
unrepentant sluts-cum-keyboards who mistake their failings
for normality and are amazed that anyone would expect
otherwise of them.

This is the kind of thing that makes me dread it every time
some youngster takes it into his otherwise empty head to
chat me up. What the hell can we talk about? What can we
possibly have in common? What's the point? Once in a blue
moon my natural, in-born politeness and gentility are
rewarded by meeting an exception, someone with something to
say. But most of the time, it is such a struggle finding
something we are both interested in. Last night, we finally
settled on eating and cooking -- the subject of last resort,
since almost everyone, even the terminally slender, eat once
in a while. Nip and tuck, nip and tuck. He didn't go to the
movies, he doesn't read, he isn't interested in politics or
cultural affairs, he doesn't have any interest on computers
or software. He likes Madonna, INXS videos, and the
hair on my chest. Well, it was starting point.

But I digress.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: M A D O N N A
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:15:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct14.001537.20690
Organization: insert anything here

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) wrote:

>> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>> >Both Bush and Clinton are *pretending* to be Madonna - or like her. 

>> 	BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>> 	OK, OK I admit I nearly fell off my chair after reading this.

>God, you are pathetic.  
>Now, I'm pointing out that Bush and Clinton are trying to be media
>celebrities.  Whhsssshs!  Right over your head (the one you *can*
>get up in the morning).  

	Haven't heard any complaints...  What run out of stoopid
things to say that land anywhere near the topic at hand?  No, don't
react, I don't really care.  

>I wouldn't have thought it likely, Donna, but you really  *are* an 
>idiot.

	Coming from you, this doesn't move me.  In fact, it probably
does more for my reputation than anything else.

	Pooooooooor Matthew.  No one paid attention to him as a tyke
and now we have this.  How dull.

	*But* I think I've figured out who Matthew is:  Anyone read
"The Best Little Boy in the World?"  

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Vanessa Redgrave to Play a Lesbian!
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:57:20 GMT

[]
I guess the obvious question raised by the subject line 
is whether or not she's taking volunteers.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: My Bad Mouth
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:09:03 GMT

Steve Dyer (dyer@spdcc.com) wrote:
> 
> If Melman becomes a beloved member of the family, it won't be because
> _we_ changed, that's for sure.
> 
------------
So you deny the dialectic?

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:05:07 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <2ad99277@ThreeL.co.uk>, jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) wrote:
> 
> In article <mattm-091092160327@mcmelmon.apple.com>,
> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

> Addressing all those who happen to be older than you, you
> remarked: "We shall bury you".  Given what else was going on
> in the group at the time, I considered that an unbelievably
> insensitive and unpleasant remark, and said so.  I'm not
> likely to forget the effect it had on me. 
> 
> I've no idea what you're really like as a person, Matthew,
> but the impression you convey is not a pleasant one.  If
> that's your intention, you've succeeded admirably.

Well, then, perhaps I'm an *icon*, too...

Melmothra, ACC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Keywords: exotic fruits
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:52:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.130236.6456@osf.org> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.043440.6519@news.Hawaii.Edu>, johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>> In article <15985@umd5.umd.edu> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>> 
>> Papayas, on the other hand, are timeless.  Iconic, even.
>
>As a comestible, or as an article of outerwear?

There's a difference?

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||"Pretty boys
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           || with the sunshine faces
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| <mumble mumble>..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||   -- My Bloody Valentine
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: 100 years of homosexuality
Date: 9 Oct 1992 21:19:27 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct10.003136.6204@netcom.com> 
foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:

[...]
>   This idea of the date 'homosexuality' as a term
> was invented is promoted by David Halperin in his book (that's right)
> 'One Hundred Years of Homosexuality'. Halperin claims the inventor of
> the term is Charles Gilbert Chaddock.

No, no, no, no, no.  Halperin claims that Charles Gilbert Chaddock
is the inventor of homosexuality *itself*.  The opening sentence
of Halperin's silly 'One Hundred Years of Homosexuality':

    In 1992, when the patriots among us will be celebrating the
    five-hundredth anniversary of the discovery of America by
    Christopher Columbus, our cultural historians may wish to
    mark the centenary of an intellectual landfall of almost
    equal importance for the conceptual geography of the human
    sciences: the invention of homosexuality by Charles Gilbert
    Chaddock.

That is one of the most absurd sentences I've ever read in any
essay with scholarly pretensions.  Halperin's own second footnote
informs us that the word "homosexualitaet", which is what Chaddock
rendered in English as "homosexuality", first appeared in print
in 1869.  So what I want to know is this:  does something not
exist until there's a word for it *in* *English*?

This s-c stuff *really* gets on my nerves.

Arne
From: jimoates@panix.com (Jim Oates)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: E-Mail
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:29:04 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Looking for E-Mail penpals

All replies welcome.  All answererd

Thanks


-- 
Admit Nothing
Blame Everyone
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Subject: Re: Who Gets Stomped (was WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 00:00:19 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Oct11.000827.22450@wam.umd.edu>
lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>>I sure wish soc.motss could be a more positive influence in
>>my life.
 For most of this post I'll let everyone else respond, many 
of whom have done so very eloquently already.  I really only
have one other comment:
>
>>Last night, I beat up a white boy with a baseball bat
>>because he said to me, "Hey Black Boy, suck my dick!" I
>>swore to God, I was going to kill him, because I didn't let
>>the bat stop.  I keep swinging trying to swing it all the
>>way through him.

Torch Song Trilogy.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Actually, I take that back.  I do have something else to say.  Last year,
last September, my lover at the time was jumped and beaten as he came out of
a gay bar here in Alb.  Not because he was Hispanic, not because I was white,
not becuase his attackers (from the descriptions, they were never caught) 
were two White and one Black males, but because he was gay.  No other reason.
Later that night, when I was at the hospital emergency room, wondering if he'd
be able to see out of one eye, and crying becuase he was so bloody and bruised
and unable to even understand simple phrases, the same attackers attacked 
a second man, coming out of the same bar.  He was white.  Race had nothing to 
do with it.  Race has nothing to do with being lesbigay.  Race has nothing 
to do with violence.  I hope you get help Donald.  For being gay I have 
been accosted (physically), beaten in a high school where it wasn't
very uncommon while teachers watched, shot, and also given awards of 
achievement andservice to the communities I have lived in.  The violence
that entered into my life has helped to mold me and shape me, as has the 
hate I have experienced.  I rarely get angry, but when I saw Tony in the 
hospital bed the night he was jumped, I would have killed the people who did
that to him.  People who don't know how to control; their hatred, of any 
kind.  If you want to stop the hatred, start with yourself.  Don't 
blame any of us.  Only you can control you.  

I've had my say, as a person.  Not white, not african-american, native-
american, polynesean, italian, slavic, nordic, jewish, hindu, christian,
etc... as a person.  

Flapjack
(aka: dominick vincenzo zurlo, proud of my heritage, but not ignorant of
my current world.)
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sister Souljah on White Feminists -- They Want to Seduce Black Women
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:53:47 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct15.140600.20710@tc.cornell.edu>,
shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) wrote:

> And gay men just want to be
> Boy Scout Leaders so that they can have ready access to
> young boys, eh?

Well...........

Melmothra, ACC
(they aren't *that* young - I mean, it's not like they're *cub* scouts
or anything, is it?)
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My Bad Mouth
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:57:53 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct16.060738.14496@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
wrote:

> Listen, Clayton Cramer will not become a beloved member of the
> family, no matter how many times he barges in.  I really doubt
> Sarver will either, unless he decides to drop his favorite topic
> and just hang loose in a more general conversation.  Matthew won't
> unless he manages to convince people that he has something interesting
> to offer other than simple malice.

Monsewer mistakes me for someone who cares to become a member of *his*
beloved family.  The cabalists can rot in hell for all I care.  I'm
sure both Misters Cramer and Sarver feel very much the same.  There
are more people on soc.motss than Anderson, Dyer, Shore, Adolphson,
and probably a couple of others less worthy of membership in
said Cabal.  Frankly, to be welcomed by these four in any capacity
would be tantamount to personal failure - an absurd selling out.

You are first wave assholes in a third wave group.

Melmothra, ACC
(with a reference to Accidental Empires - essentially Kitty Kelly
does Silicon Valley, but certainly entertaining.  Highly recommended)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: My Bad Mouth
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 02:37:11 GMT

>shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>I've been trying to think of anyone who is a regular poster
>who hasn't been blasted in a major way at some point in the
>past, and I've come up empty.  Is there, in fact, such a
>person?

Such a person wrote to me, in the form of Ellen Seebacher,
and pointed out that while she's been here for quite some
time she's never been flamed mercilessly.  We could fix
that, I suppose ...
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Allan Bloom died
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:23:44 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <1992Oct9.202755.24046@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) blasts Heather Blair:
>
>>Considering the fact that Bloom was alive a lot longer than he's been
>>dead, why didn't you post this ante mortem as it were?
>
>Same reason nobody ever outed Malcolm Forbes, post-mortem.  Many
>people won't tangle with someone very rich, very respectable, and very
>powerful.  (Particularly not people whose jobs depend on the good graces
>of a monolithic University administration.)
>

My remark was directed specifically and personally to
Heather, whose job probably does not hinge on currying favor
with the high and the mighty. My question to her was why she
did not post a nearly identical request before Bloom died.

>>Your request did not strike me as being appropriate, needed, or ...
>>tasteful.
>
>I see you've never read Bloom's work.
>

You see more than is visible.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Fear of Success (was Re: Oregon poll)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:22:16 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <GANDALF.92Oct12114717@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu> gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell) writes:

>One thing that I find continually amazing is that I have heard virtually
>nothing about the problems in Oregon in the local media. (I read the Boston
>Globe every weekday and watch both local tv news and cnn every evening.)

Join the crowd.  The only printed information I've seen on the OCA, Prop. 9,
and the Colorado initiative have been in the local gay press.  None of the
"mainstream" press in Atlanta have covered the issue _at all_, that I've
seen.

But, then again, this is Jawja, home of p-cans, p-nuts, and those ever-
popular "real Claxton fruit cakes" (you know, those near-ceramic mallets
sold during the holidays that claim to be edible?).  I guess it's the
Ostrich syndrome -- if you ignore something, it doesn't exist.

Yuck.


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fogarty@jpljpt.jpl.nasa.gov   (Tim Fogarty)
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:06:38 GMT

Jeff Dauber writes
> 
> 
> I have some advice for y'all.  Try reading what he says, and drop the
> antagonism and see what changes... Perhaps the coversations will go a 
> little better.  

NOT !

> 
> FWA

Now you can flame me.

--
Tim Fogarty
Computer Systems Manager 
SIR-C Project, STS-59
FOGARTY@MOOREA.JPL.NASA.GOV
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: My Bad Mouth
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:35:50 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) wrote:
> 
>In article <1992Oct15.160549.23773@tc.cornell.edu>
>shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
> 
>>I've been trying to think of anyone who is a regular poster
>>who hasn't been blasted in a major way at some point in the
>>past, and I've come up empty.  Is there, in fact, such a
>>person?
> 
>Not to my recollection.  And I think that's as it should be.
>A person who never raised the hackles of another enough to
>get a little more than trivial heat for it would in my
>opinion be playing it *way* too safe, in every sense of the
>word, especially the intellectual sense.

Very true.  I've been singed, more like broiled, and can now come back
for more.  But when I de-muffined, I felt that being flamed was one
of the worst things that could possibly happen.  I'm not sure why, but
it probably has something to do with self-esteem.  While my heart still
sometimes skips a beat when reading a follow-up to a post, I know a
flame is not meant in hatred, but is usually offered more as help in
realizing something very important.  This isn't so clear to the newbie
who doesn't really know the regulars here so well.

So, ever so slowly, I let my guard down, and let a little bit more of 
myself be seen here (Rooster Rock notwithstanding).

And I do remember when our JD was flamed, way back when the thaaang was
just a "Guest Accountant."

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: .. alienate so many... (really: cruising on net or rail)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:52:08 GMT

dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
->>E-Cruising 101:
->>
->>When cruising people over the net, always name names.  Otherwise, how will
->>they know you want them?

well, i don't have a name for him yet, but i want to know who that was
on the train two nights ago wearing the "Enjoy AZT"  shirt (fashioned
after the coca cola logo).  too handsome for words.

(side effect: you know you're a nerd when you think AZT resets your
modem.)

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fresh from the oven
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:59:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct15.195944.10569@uoft02.utoledo.edu> 
gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart) writes:
>
>     Me thinks this muffin has been secretly holding a membership card in the
>Motss Cabal far longer than he is willing to admit to.
>
>     OFF WITH HIS HEADERS!

You'd just been waiting to use that line, hadn't you? 

I would have, if I'd thought of it. 

-- 

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