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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:44:13 MDT
From:         "the terror that flaps in the night" <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject: Re: Quartet/Gospel

>You should know more about this subject more than any of us that serving God
>is the most important thing to do in life.  No matter what kind of Gospel
>music you listen to; as long as you get the message of God's love.
>
>I happen to be the secretary of my local Presbyterian church and a christian.
>But some of the things that are said on this list make me want to lose it
>sometimes. I hope God forgives all of the people (including me) who lets this
>list think of things that is not in the exceptance of God.

If I may steal from the writings of Tagore:

Temples and mosques obstruct thy path,
and I fail to hear thy call or to move,
when the teachers and priests angrily crowd round me.

Don't forget, Mr. Armstrong, some of us do not follow any tradition of
ceremony, but simply believe in love...

"For the sake of this love, heaven longs
to become earth and gods to become man."

I yearn for this freedom and detest being cornered.

Feeling philosophical today,
Carol
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From:         Theresa Barr <TJBARR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      re: need train song recommendations

Information Processor II/Admissions and Orientation
Phone: 588-5516
how bout -- "downtown train" -- Rod Stewart
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:02:36 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Billy Ray fever sweeps the colleges... NOT!

>     As best I can understand, "New Wave" and "Alternative" are not exactly
>one in the same.  "New Wave" is emcompassed by "Alternative", but "Alternative"
>is not neccessarily "New Wave" (God, the quotation marks are getting old fast).
>New Wave is more of a post-punk movemment than arose from England.  It
>consisted of a more technological sound, taking advantage of synthesizers
>and drum machines.  Alternative is an almost an all encompasing term used to
>signify that which is not mainstream.  It was offered as an alternative
>(pardon the redundancy) to that which monopolized the radio.
>

As I remember it, "New Wave" was first used as a euphemism for "Punk Rock".
The first time I can remember seeing New Wave used was at the Mabuhay Gardens
in San Francisco, a Filipino restaurant that turned into a punk club in the
evenings. The likes of Jello Biafra and the DKs used to hold forth there.
First place where I ever saw anyone pogo. Anyway, one night we were there and
checking out their new handbills, looking to see if our band name was in tiny
type or not, and the top of the bill said something like "Mabuhay Gardens -
Fine Food - New Wave Showcase."

This was about 1979 or so. By the time Blondie had a hit with "Heart of Glass",
the term New Wave was everywhere. I had always assumed it was just a way to
try and attract people who would rather eat slugs than listen to "Punk Rock".
The British techno guys, like OMD and Human League, came a year or so later.

As for "alternative", that one sorta snuck up on me. People were talking
about "alternative radio" back in the early- to mid-80s, because all this
Baby Boomer nostalgia AOR stuff was sweeping the airwaves. But "alternative
music"... well, the above-mentioned Biafra had (has?) a production company
called Alternative Tentacles. I guess "alternative" has always been a better
name than "New Wave", I mean, after awhile, it's not "New" anymore, right?

But bands today still hoist the "alternative" banner, while none of 'em would
want to be called "New Wave". So it's not what you know, it's what you think
you know that counts, I suppose. ;-)

David
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:00:19 -0400
From:         "Russell A. Potter" <rapotter@COLBY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Johnny Shines

>Just thought i mention i just found out that Johnny's widow Candy Shines
>will recieve The First Ever Blues Jam Legend Award on behalf of Johnny
>during the upcoming blues/jazz/gospel fest then she will perform with
>the Kokomo Blues Band..Can I get an AMEN..about damn time

Geez, I hadn't even heard that JOhnny Shines had died!  It's been a while,
but
I used to listen to Shines quite a bit.  He did a couple of albums on
Rounder a few years back with may main man, Robert "Jr." Lockwood, which
are absolutely great, though so far as I know not out on CD and out of
print on LP.  Also a compilation of Flywright records out of England of
some of Shines's and Lockwood's work from the 50's, is available and worth
the extra import price.

Recognition always seems to come too late for blues musicians.  Anyone know
if Robert Lockwood is still alive/active?

Russell A. Potter
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 11:32:57 MDT
From:         "It's not what you know,
              it's what you think you know..." <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      spreading my Leggs

My contribution to train songs:
  Train Running Low on Soul Coal -- by XTC from _The Big Express_


>later days and sunny rays,
>                          D.T> Listening to Adrian Legg's _Guitar For Mortals_
>                                which is fantastic.

Michael sent me _Guitar For Mortals_, one day while attempting to clean the
garbage off his desk.  It's so nice to be relegated to official receiver of Mr.
Bloom's leftovers...  ;)  Anyways, he sent it to me because he knew I would be
seeing Adrian perform at the Winnipeg Folk Fest.  I did see him perform on the
main stage.  It was not all that particularily memorable because I was a long
ways away and peeking at him through binoculars.  All I remember is that my mom
thought that his guitar was way out of tune because he kept adjusting the pegs
on his guitar.  But we realized that he did that purposely through every song
of his entire set.... part of some wierd demented technique. I probably would
have appreciated him much more if I would have had a chance to catch him at one
of his more intimate workshops.  I really like "Pieta", but I find the rest of
_Guitar For Mortals_ to be a bit tedius after a while.

>  Oooh.  Cruisin' for a bruisin'.
>
>  If the list ain't big enough for both
>you and Ed, then you'd best skeedaddle.
>We like Ed, hereabouts, and plan to keep
>him.
>
>                   -Tim

Yes... we like EdD...  in fact, I've been trying to get into his
nEt.PoEtIc.PaNtS for 2 years now....  ;*)

- Carol

"Everybody don't like something... and we all don't like you"
  - Richard Thompson -
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:38:43 CDT
From:         Lee=Jenkins%Factory=Sup%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM
Subject:      re: The Quest For Sharrock

From:           gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:        The Quest For Sharrock
Date:           Tuesday, September 8, 1992 at 7:40:00 am CDT

>Oh, sure, that's easy for you to say. I'm sure in Texas, you can walk into
>any music store and pick up a Sonny Sharrock CD. Well, it isn't that simple
>here in Baltimore. Stay tuned for details...

[tale of frustration deleted...]
i keep forgetting how small everything is up north.  ya see, here in texas
our music stores are a minimum of 10,000 sqaure feet, and that's a small
one!  why heck, there's a store near my house, er, ranch, that's so big
they just installed a monorail system to getcha from section to section.
'fore that you just had to ride yer hoss through the store.  they figure
the new system outta save 'em a bundle in cleaning horse manure.

>So, Black Jacques Sharrock, tell me, is his stuff easy to pick up in Texas?
>If so, that's cool, I'll be in Texas (San Antonio more specifically) at the
>end of next month. Is there any chain of stores, in particular, I should
>check out?

well, i can't speak for the rest of the state, but i picked up both of my
sharrock cds in the first store i walked into here in houston.  it was a
sound warehouse, btw.  i think they have those in san antonio.  be warned
that they aren't a discount store.  the cds are usually $15 a pop, but they
do run some $10 or $11 specials every now and then.

cmv lives closer to that part of the state you'll be in, let's see what
he suggests.

>
>The above is a true story.
>Well, I did exagerate a little about the length of the Jazz bin at "Record
>Theatre."

shame on you.  :)  ;)  :)

>
>Seeya,
>Gary


lee











ps.  i exageratted a little on the size of that music store, too. *blush*
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:08:33 EDT
From:         RIck <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: covers/confession/expose

Sonia speculates:

>>Rick has his hair parted in the middle like one of the Lil Rascals.

To which Carol calculates:
>
>Rick looks like an accountant and uses mousse...
>
And finally Rick regurgitates:

Thanks to both of you, I no longer need to worry about my appearance. I just
have to learn 3 things: 1) How to croon "Mem'ries of Yoo" like Alfalfa;
2) How to balance my checkbook (now that I'm suddenly a C.P.A.); and 3) How
to get this chocolate mousse outa my hair. Blecchh.

OMC: I got a reference question from some post-baby boomer that I'll share
with you good people. This individual is looking for a recording of the TV
theme music of the Dating Game (don't ask me for what undeniably scholarly
reason). Yeah, I know, it's Herb Alpert and the T.B., but is it "Lollipops
and Roses" or "Tijuana Taxi"?  Don't all answer at once, now. The first one
who gets this right gets to go on a Dream Date to the liquor store of their
choice along with their favorite imaginary sweetheart.
Nothing like old-fashioned romance,
Rick
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:21:15 CDT
From:         Dave {wundabread{ Hall <USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      More of the same

     Took a trip down to ye ol' recoerd store yesterday and picked up some
not so new albums.  Here's my two bits...

     Hindu Love Gods: Great, includes some neat blues covers (Robert Johnson)
        and even Woodie Guthrie's "Vigilante Man".  Will probably include
        it as part of Lenny Ray's "educational" package.  Warren Zevon is
        great even if _Transverse City_ (correct title?) was a total flop.
        Album proves that R.E.M. is more than just Micheal Stipe.  Also
        includes a Zevonesque version of Prince's "Rasberry Beret" that
        is much better than the original.  Kinda givs the song a little
        credit.

     Cocteau Twins: _Heaven or Las Vegas_ Not sure how old this one is,
        but I like it.

     Pale Saints: Christ, it's an import and I can't even remember the title.
        Really good.  Includes some improvisational type intro's and some
        weird samples.

     Throwing Muses: Here goes the mental wonder again but I can't remember
        the title to this one either.  Anyway it's their latest album.
        Liked this one as well.  Sort of a return to their earlier sound.
        Much better than their last few attempts.

     _I'm Your Fan_: Sort of a tribute to Leonard Cohen, the man who claims
        to have originated the alternative sound (whatever that is).
        Includes some good bands and covers some of Cohen's best tunes.
        For those of you, like me, wyho enjoy Cohen's lyrics but can't
        stand the way he sings them, this is a must have.  Includes the likes
        of R.E.M., the Pixies and Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds (complete with
        a loud, cleansing belch prior to his harmonica solo).

Dave Hall
To each his own and to me, everything!
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:23:48 PDT
From:         Mike Masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Latest batch of CDs from the Masuda-man

I recently saw a show on the Disney Channel on the life and music of
Aretha Franklin.  The gospel music portion was great--so great that
I went and bought "Amazing Grace", a recording she did in the early
1970s.  Although I'm a Buddhist and do not usually care for
contemporary Christian music, I found this CD not short of incredible.
The emotion and passion reached by Aretha in these songs are
something many songs of today lack.  She has that certain panache
that sets her apart from many of the pop singers of that day.
I love her songs "Respect" and "Natural Woman" for the sheer
simplicity of melody and the power she can create by singing how
she does; the gospel stuff just blows my mind--especially the first half
(it's a 2 cd set).  Even the atheist will find the energy of the music
and will send him or her a tappin' and a clappin'.

The other stuff I got was the earliest and the latest from Steve Howe.
(Sort of a contrast here)
Howe was in a band "Tomorrow" during the late 60s.  Their album on cd
is a cool look back into the sound of the British pop scene.
A lot of it sounds like it's Beatles/Stones/Floyd influenced, but it's still
fun to listen to.
The other cd by Howe I got is his latest--"Turbulence".  It's not too
bad.  Backed by Bruford (someone on the net will be pleased by that)
on drums, it is a collage of colorful guitar melodies.  I got it,
because in an interview, Howe said that this will be the kind of stuff
he will be doing in the future (he quit Yes).  Howe plays bass on (I think)
all of the tracks--and he does a pretty good job.
Big jump from "Tomorrow" though--but it still sounds like Howe.

later.
 3
M
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:01:14 MDT
From:         "the terror that flaps in the night" <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Re: covers/confession/expose

Sonia and her crystal ball predicted:

>Carol has waist-length dishwater blond and go-go boots, no, actually Carol has
>black hair in a punk cut and 50s cat-eye glasses.

Close... I have dishwater hands and I've been seen in thick socks and army
boots at folk fests (though I did a go-go dancing number in kiddie talent show
when I was ten -- decked out in white go-go boots, hot pants and lime green
stockings)  :)  I've been described as a belly-dancing buffalo in
birkenstocks...    Libby... well Libby is blonde and has silicon tits, I mean
chips...

>Russ, are you shoulder-length chestnut pony-tail? slimy jacket?

I suspect that Russ looks like a marine...  ;)

>Rick has his hair parted in the middle like one of the Lil Rascals.

Rick looks like an accountant and uses mousse...

I bet David Malbuff wears a wig of dreadlocks on occasion...

EdD tHe MaDd is the Soloflex guy...

I've always wanted to run away and become a Gypsy,
Carol
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:57:29 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: Lite Classics

Tim Johnson <ST402711%BROWNVM.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU> sez:

>  But seriously, this is music for people who aren't serious
>about their music.  Those people who want to pretend to be
>cultured and intellectual listeners of classical music who
>just don't have what it takes can become instant pretenders.

Wow!  You mean that all these years I had been getting it wrong --
classical music isn't about music, it's about being "cultured and
intellectual" and "serious about [your] music"?  You're saying that
classical music is about attitude.  Cool!

Anybody want to buy a whole bunch of scores and piano books so I
can stock up on books of music criticism?

Tim, are you sure you don't want to hit rewind there?

More to the point, I probably wouldn't go to the concert, either,
but if a Bobby McFerrin fan becomes a Yo Yo Ma fan by going, what's
wrong with that?

Bob
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:27:07 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Aretha/Gospel
              Masuda" at Sep 10, 92 9:23 am

> The emotion and passion reached by Aretha in these songs are
> something many songs of today lack.  She has that certain panache
> that sets her apart from many of the pop singers of that day.
> I love her songs "Respect" and "Natural Woman" for the sheer
> simplicity of melody and the power she can create by singing how
> she does; the gospel stuff just blows my mind--especially the first half

Oh gee, I was gonna keep quiet today... don't even get me STARTED on gospel.
You're Buddhist, I'm Jewish, and I have a collection of Black Gospel music that
will send you STRAIGHT to heaven (including a Chess release of Aretha at age 14
singing in her father's church in Detroit).  I'm just so glad to hear somebody
on this net TALK about this music.... I could tell you stories...

"I heard gospel before I could think."  David Ruffin
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:38:25 CET
From:         Sebastian Welton <SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET>
Subject:      Back from hols...

Well just got back from a small holiday in England and Berlin so I don't
know if I've missed anything here. What I didn't miss was in Berlin a
performance by Fred Frith (plus 3 other guitarists) that was absolutely
stunning. I can't really give a review as I'm not familiar with his work.
However one segment of the show did stand out for me, at one point he said
that normally they would do Black Iris but not tonight, instead they did a
piece called Black Iris (De-constructed) which to me was amazing. So upon
my return home I popped into the local CD emporium to purchase said track
(even the un-De-constructed version) but to no avail, so what's it on, if it's
on anything?

Heard for the first time that song by the ex-Chippendales stripper, Billy
Ray Cyrus and thought that there was bothing special about it at all, even
so far as to say that it shurely shounds like shomething else.

Seb
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:56:46 EDT
From:         "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Wars and rumors of wars

On Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:42:10 CET Sebastian Welton said: (re Television)
>Mainly played a few festivals, no real tour as such. The album was released
>today in Europe. No-more for another 14 years?

Well, shit, HOW IS IT THEN? Was it worth the 14 year wait, or is it like the
Procol Harum reunion?
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:38:51 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: violins'n'stuff
              "Michelle May" at Sep 10, 92 10:25 am

> right for us REAL musicians, right ALLMUSICers??)  In my quest to learn jazz
> violin (which is coming along quite well, I might add)  I've even tried a
> couple of blues licks.

Michelle, here's a violin story to keep you inspired:

[quote from book about Elvis]:

Those broken, hanging strings that awed Bob Lumen were invented a century
before Elvis Presley by Niccolo Paganini.  The demonic violin virtuoso of the
Romantic Age, also famous for his long hair, pale mask-like face and aura of
diabolic evil, would play madly until suddenly, twang, a string would break and
hang from his insrument.  A signal to stop, cool it, get things back under
control, the broken string worked on Paganini only as a challenge to greater
and more awesome feats of virtuosity... Another broken string... now the
challenge is even greater, the transpositions and fingerings more fantastic, as
he fights to do with two strings what other men can barely do with four.  Then
twang! my God! he's broken yet another string!  Now he's down to the G string
[no remarks here Carol], the string upon which he can perform like the devil
himself because, according to the legend, all his other strings rotted away
during the years when he was confined to a dungeon for unspeakable crimes.

Sonia Dungeonmeistress
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:05:30 PDT
From:         Mike Masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Power Trios
              14 Sep 1992 20:47:57 EDT from <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>

Gary,

I think a power trio is a three-piece band that uses power chords
and distortion as the main focus of their sound--hence the name
"power trio".  The Police were the first pop trios to not use
a whole lotta power chords to fill the sound up.  They went in the
other direction--minimalism.  The bass and guitar parts were carefully
mapped out so that the bass and guitar woul not overlap in noteplaying.
Andy Summers' guitar sound focuses on the higher register of the guitar,
leaving more room for the drums and bass--Sting and Stu were masters
of syncopation.  Reggae was a great medium for minimalist experimentation.
The focus was not on cramming a million notes into the smallest time
interval, or to create a wall of sound, but to play on space and
sound textures (as in later Police stuff).  The synth sounds on
the Regatta, Zenyatta and Machine were mostly produced by Andy's
MIDI guitar synth setup (if you were wondering where the heck Andy was
on Machine, he was playing the synth sounds on his guitar!).
Synchronicity ended the threepiece by adding a sequencer to the lineup.
However, on stage, they played all the parts except for the basic
sequenced stuff.  Another cool thing that Andy and Sting did was get
away from the power fifths chord.  Andy was a great rhythm guitarist and
had an arsenal of jazz chords to play around on (e.g., "Murder by Numbers"),
and with the incorporation of signal processors, his sound was clear,
yet colorful.  It's too bad not too many young guitarists don't follow in
Andy's footsteps--they would rather trounce around on stage in spandex
and play super loud and super fast (which is probably why music in general
is not that inventive these days).  Jimmy Page was a great adventurer in
guitar sound also, but most metal dudes missed this point.
I think this is where the great guitarists lie--not in loudness or speed
or virtosity, bit in creative inventiveness in sound textures and
melody.  There are one too many guitarists out there who think the other way.

Mike Masuda.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:40:03 EDT
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Soldier's Joy

Well, I asked my question about Soldier's Joy over on BGRASS-L, and got
a _pile_ of responses -- Soldier's Joy is among the most widely played
fiddle tunes in the bluegrass repetoire.  Here's a summary of what I
discovered:

1. Morphine _was_ widely available by the time of the Civil War.

2. The melody that we call Soldier's Joy predates the Civil War, probably
   by a couple hundred years.  It is known in the British Isles as "Payday
   in the Army" or, more rarely, as "The King's Head," and is known in
   Denmark simply as "The Hornpipe."

3. I don't know whether or not these foreign versions have words or not but
   most fiddle tunes that are played today as instrumentals originally did
   have lyrics.  There are at least two sets of American lyrics, one with
   a Revolutionary War theme, and the other about, yes, morphine.


Now You Know What I Know!

-Scott "Fifteen Cents for the Morphine, 25 Cents for the Beer" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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