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From: redd@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Dale Redd -- MP-6 Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: MPG & Re: roof racks ?
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:42:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: mpx2.29SEP199212423579
Distribution: usa
Organization: LAMPF Data Analysis Center, Los Alamos, New Mexico
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep28.145425.14233@ncar.ucar.edu>, chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes...
>In article 9838@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU, von@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Von Worley) writes:
>>
>>There isn't a drop of water within 200 miles of Taos, except on the
>>Native American reservation, and only because they do rain dances.
>>
> 
>Bzzzt.  Thanx for playing, next contestant.  Typical peaks these
>days on the Rio Grande is over 2000 cfs at Taos, albiet very short
>peaks (last week of may).
> 
>>Steve
>>-- 
>>Steve Von Worley
>>von@cory.berkeley.edu
>>Computer Science Gradual Student
>>University of California at Berzerkly 
> 
No, no, Steve, you're confused.  As I posted a couple of months ago, there is
no water in the WHOLE state of New Mexico.  It's nothing but desert.  Just ask
any of us who live here.

Dale
From: rw@bnr.co.uk (Richard Westmore)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Early December Snow Conditions
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:03:04 GMT
Reply-To: rw@bnr.co.uk (Richard Westmore)
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd

I am considering a pre-Christmas, ski holiday.

How certain is snow in early December in 
      i) Colorardo e.g. Steamboat, Vail, Breckenridge
     ii) French Alps

thanks
Richard
Disclaimer: Any opinions I may have expressed in this posting are mine alone.
Richard J. Westmore:  email R.J.Westmore@bnr.co.uk
     "If you want to make a small fortune start with a large one"
From: rkf@wildrose.infoserv.com (Ray Fink)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Jackson Hole, advice on runs wanted...
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 22:27:17 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Wild Rose Refugee Camp

Thomas Uden <tu0b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> pretty pedestrian terrain.  I am looking to draw from the net readers'
> vast knowledge for the best runs at Jackson, with directions to them if
> possible (ie. climb here, around this tree here).  Also, what are the

Definitely *not* possible, sorry.  :-)  

> chances the Hobacks (?spell) will be open in January?  I heard they are
> awsome, but often only open in March.  Also, is Grand Targhee cat skiing

The Hobacks are usually open by January; they run nearly to the
valley floor, so snow depth at the lower elevations is the controlling 
variable.  I like 'em on good powder days and avoid them like the plague 
otherwise.  (Your mileage may vary.)  Note that they are normally closed
at about 2:30 pm  i.e. not a good choice for last run!

-- Ray

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From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Subject: Re: Skier classification
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:51:21 GMT

In article <BvEx8o.tn@mail.boi.hp.com> kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) writes:
>How about:
>
>   Beginner: a skier that has a little fun.
> 
>   Intermediate: a skier that has more fun.
> 
>   Advanced: a skier that has a lot of fun.
> 
>   Expert: a skier that laughs like a maniac in the powder.
> 
    Extreme: a skier who has orgasms in DEEP powder and can laugh until
             he/she passes out on slopes too steep to hold snow!!
>After all, that *is* the reason we're out there.
>
>Keith (chuckle, chuckle) Emmen
>kde@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com


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From: gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: Re: The Great Killington-Keystone Shootout - Follow-up
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:58:32 GMT

In article <SSH.92Sep30092229@snow.boulder.ibm.com> <ssh@vnet.ibm.com> writes:
>Has anyone else noticed that it seems that man-made snow has a tendency to ice
>up slopes, even in the west?  Last year, I found really nice conditions
>difficult to find except within a day of a snowfall...
>--

Obviously you need to visit more areas that don't do any snowmaking.
Ski Cooper; only snow "from god".  [jsalmi will like that].  Much
of Loveland, ABasin.  The back bowls of Vail.  

Andy
-- 
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/ ParcPlace Boulder, formerly Solbourne Software Business Unit    /
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From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Lift prices roll toward $50
Date: 2 Oct 92 08:15:37 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

Condensed from today's Denver Post (2 Oct 92), page 1 of the Business News
section:
				       
			  Lift prices roll toward $50
			  ---------------------------
Experts say consumers will force alternative pricing methods

Lift ticket prices likely to continue climb to and past $50, but "industry may
someday factor price right out of the picture."

Citing pay as you ski programs (like Winter Park's) to high-tech ticketing
systems that allow you to pay for the time or vertical, the industry believes
that the value will continue to be evident.

"`A complaint about price is really a complaint about unmet expectations,' said
Bob Kunkel, Winter Park's vice president of marketing."

One of several discussions at Colorado Ski Country USA's "Future Tracks" ski
symposium at Denver's Hyatt Regency Downtown yesterday.  Ski industry will
"move agressively to more innovative pricing."

CU professor Chuck Goeldner is quoted as saying that lift ticket prices
are, "one of the finest values in America today."  Even though tickets have
climbed $1-$2 per year, with Aspen's full-day, non-discounted ticket going for
$43 this year.  He comments that lift ticket prices cover lift installation,
parking, shuttle service, on-mountain facilities, maintenance, and ski patrol
services.  He also noted that discount programs enable front-range skiers to
ski for much less than full price.

"However, consumers' demands for more value means resorts must find ways to
offer the ski experience at a price attractive to both the skilled, full-day
skier and the skier who chooses to ski -- and pay -- for just a few hours a
day, Kunkel said."
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Where the earth rises to meet the sky...                           ISSC Boulder
From: melle@graham.uswest.com ( Chris Melle)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Dog cleans up
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:18:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: advtech.1992Oct5.181815.23409
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Originator: melle@graham

We discussed the safety of breathing burning p-tex, but what about a dog
who likes to clean up the floor around my bench after tuning skiis? He
thinks the p-tex and wax shavings are a treat!  Anyone have any info on
ingestion of these substances?  I assume (like breathing), small amounts
are OK, but you wouldn't want to subsist on it.

-chris
-- 
Chris Melle    U S WEST Adv. Tech.        FAX: 303 541 6773
4001 Discovery Drive, Suite 320         Phone: 303 541 6836
Boulder, CO  80303                   Internet: melle@uswest.com
UUCP: ...{boulder,bellcore,att,sunpeaks}!uswat!melle
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: Snow in Colorado!
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:37:08 GMT


Vermont may have beaten us this year, but the snow is starting to fall
in Colorado's high country.  A friend in Montezuma (outside of
Keystone) said it was snowing yesterday afternoon about 4:30PM.  And
the NWS is calling for a winter storm watch.  Get those skis waxed!

NORTHERN MOUNTAINS-CENTRAL MOUNTAINS-
430 AM MDT TUE OCT 6 1992

...WINTER STORM WATCH LATE TONIGHT AND WEDNESDAY...

.TODAY...CONSIDERABLE CLOUDINESS WITH SCATTERED SHOWERS AND A FEW
THUNDERSTORMS.  HIGHS 50S AND LOWER 60S.  WEST TO SOUTHWEST WINDS
20 TO 35 MPH.
.TONIGHT...COLDER AND WINDY WITH OCCASIONAL SNOW INCREASING THROUGH
THE NIGHT.  LOWS 20 TO 30.
.WEDNESDAY...PERIODS OF SNOW...HEAVY AT TIMES...DECREASING TO
SCATTERED SHOWERS AFTERNOON.  COLDER WITH HIGHS 30S AND 40S.

STEAMBOAT SPRINGS N58 N21 N46
WINTER PARK       N50 N20 N33
ASPEN             N60 N26 N42
LEADVILLE         N52 N22 N33
GLENWOOD SPRINGS  N66 N30 N54


-- 
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/ Andy Gerber		     / gerber@solbourne.com [for a while] /
/ ParcPlace Boulder, formerly Solbourne Software Business Unit    /
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From: monica@apollo.HP.COM (Monica Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Killington open today
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:47:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: apollo.BvG6Eq.2L4
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA


   Killington is open TODAY!
                      ======
    
   OCT 1st. and there was skiing yesterday!
 
   There is a 8-16 inch base with some thin spots
   on a 1/2 mile of skiing from the midstation
   of Killington Peak. With skiing on Boomerang
   Goatpath and Cascade trails.
   (loose gran.)
   Snowmaking will be round the clock while 
   temps permit.

  $20.00 adult lift ticket
  
   All info taken from the Killington phone update.
    
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: launce@apollo.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate)
Subject: Re: moving to New Mexico
Organization: Trifurcate-Hooved Ruminant Surveyors, Inc.
	<1992Sep29.085729.2300@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
	<29SEP92.17384915@enh.nist.gov>
	<1992Sep30.161223.22436@newshost.lanl.gov>
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:06:49
X-Hortation: Ski Vail!!

>	Last season, once again, I saw someone wearing leather lace-up
>	ski boots and cable release bindings (I learned to ski on
>	those things in '67!).
>   :-)

Huh?  I'm skiing on leather lace-up ski boots with cable release
bindings -- just like I did when I was 6 years old.  In between I went
through an array of SL and GS skiis along with increasingly futuristic
boot designs -- now I've come full circle.

My first set of gear was procured at a yard sale for sumpthin' like 5
bucks.  Unfortunately, today, the Scarpa Boot Neige is in the
$300-$400 range and the BD Riva cable bindings retail for $86. *sigh*

Of course, with the advent of the Scarpa Terminators & New and Better
Tele Board Designs, we are poised on the verge of another round of
Technology Explosion.
                               ^
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose...
     '

:-) (god, I love smileys)

| _, launce gouw * internet: launce@apollo.med.utah.edu * ooniversity of ootah 
|(_) medical center * department of human genetics *   palace of the brine
___) we apologise for the previous opinions. those responsible have been sacked




















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From: sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff)
Subject: Re: Lift prices roll toward $50
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:04:25 GMT

|> board but I suspect that we represent enough of a commercial base for
|> a successful petition against unwarranted/monopolistic inflation of
|> lift ticket prices etc...
|> 
|>     We do have a financial squeeze going on...and I suspect that
|> competitive forces are not really working that well because the industry
|> is rather limited and may easily engage in collusion.

This is all pathetic. 

In the NE raised  weekend lift ticket prices are the only way to control 
the mobs on the slopes.

We pay for three fallacies, all of our own ; ski industry has nothing
to do with it (oh, how wonderful would it be to have yet another
conspiracy theory !):

1) 	Environment regulation : limits or completely halts any 
   	expansion, which would create more competition on a supply side.
	Environmental hurdles are surmountable only  at
   	egregious expense, if at all ;  cost is passed to us. 
	We as a nation of environmental prudes endorse preservation and 
	readily condemn those who don't so we shouldn't whine when we have 
	to pay a relatively modest price for it. (Compare it to the price
	a South American peasant has to pay when some congress in Rio 
	bans him from working his land).

2) 	Rigid  work weeks and general lack of vacation time in USA.
	As a result, we have weekend and Christmas rushes, when areas
	operate over capacity and whole weeks of operation at loss.
	Flex weeks and more vacation time (my friend in Germany has 
	7 weeks vacation) would help to spread the load more evenly,
	alleviate the crowding while preserving revenues.

3) 	Liability. Enough was said about this one.

At this point, considering the cost of the environment-related matters,
liability, safety measures US lift ticket is a bargain, especially
in the North East , where on top of other things they also have to make 
ALL the snow  there is on the mountain.

As far as high  costs pricing people out of the sport are concerned, 
well, I'm priced out of yachting, polo, speedboat racing, African 
safari trips, caviar tasting contests and other things that I would 
really love to do on a regular basis. I'm also priced out of skiing
in Utah since flying there every weekend costs too much, and I suspect
there is a collusion among airlines ...


Sergei
From: hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Harold S. Lessure)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Tim and 5500 + M38's
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:53:08 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Thanks Tim for the info on the skis. Unfortunately, your return address
didn't get through the mailer so I couldn't respond directly. In what
article were the skis reviewed? Do you know the seller? Would you like
to make an offer if I decide not to buy? Make sure you include your
email address in your message...shouldn't really correspond via the
bboard.

-H
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:56:17 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep29.235940.19690@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson) writes:
|In article <1992Sep25.110819@is.morgan.com> sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff) writes:
|>On a similar topic, any other ski-world scams ? I can think of five more :
|>
|>1) original Rossi 4SK, a meek intermediate ski sold to general public as 
|>	the top-level high-performance  ski, while racers used a same-graphics
|>	"real" 4SK.
|
|This is normal practise by every ski company.  Race stock skis are simply
|not available to the public.  Well, actually you can get them, but it comes
|under the category of "if you need to ask how..."  

In some cases you can get lucky and pick up a "used" ski that a pro had
previously been given.  I picked up a pair Rossignol ST650's (remember them)
many years ago that Rossignol had given to a pro in Colorado.  The pro
didn't like them, sold to a shop, and I bought them used at the shop. They
had only been skied on three or four times.  I had to replace the bindings
as the springs had been replaced with much stiffer springs that stock.  

Not much of a drift, but does anyone know if boot manufacturers are the
same way.  I know that many pro skiers go through a number of boot before
finding one that they truely love but I`ve got an old pair of those stiff
orange Solomon SX90 Equipe's like Marc Giaradelli skied on for so many
years.  They're size "330's".  Anyone want to make an offer on them?
-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
+==========================================================================+
From: dirk@cats.ucsc.edu (Jonathan William Wisler)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Low income housing
Date: 30 Sep 1992 22:14:25 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


Hello, hello all you powder hounds !!

	Maybe some of you could help me. I  would like to bring my
family with me on my annual trip to Mt. bachelor. Due to the fact my grandma
doesn't want to sleep in the back of my truck we need a place to stay. If 
anyone has a house in the Bend/ Sunriver area, and would be interested in 
ng it or a house swap, please let contact me. The dates would be after 
december 10th until Xmas. 

				Thank ``s D

                                  add: dirk@cats.ucsc.edu

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiier!!
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 18:13:58 GMT

Gee, interesting story.

I still don't understand why a sizeable percentage of the net is so
down in Texans.  I think what I found a tiny bit improbable about the story
was that he drove a Porche.  I thought Texans drove pick up trucks.
Maybe he wasn't a native.  Or maybe it's not hererity but environment.
Maybe I'm surrounded by too many Califorians of the type who have gone
up to Idaho.



Glen if you are reading this, there is an interesting discussion in the
fj (From Japan) newsgroup about your posting of the skier responsibility code.
So the FAQs are getting forwarded over there. ;^)

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: KILLINGTON OPEN?
Reply-To: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:16:08 GMT

>  They had to keep making more snow as the skiers came down the hill.
   -------------------------------------------------------------------
>Rick Oakes				

He Saw Killington on TV this week and seemed to think that it was notable that
Killington had to make snow while people were skiing....(probably because it is
still early in the season...right?) WRONG! obviously you are not an "eastern"
skiier.  This may come as a shock to some of you western skiiers, but not
only is it not uncommon for Killington (and most Eastern ski areas) to be 
making snow in the daytime, while skiiers are trying to ski...... But, THEY
DO IT ALL THE TIME! I have spent probably as many days skiing under the guns
as I have without them.  All year long they blow the guns if the weather
permits whether it is 2:00 AM or Noon, whether it is on a beginner trail like
Snowshed, or an Expert one like Ovation, It can be October, or June, but if 
the weather permits, the guns blow (the trail could have 4 inches of base, or
40 feet of base, and would make no difference to them.... I've seen both)

Figure this one out for yourself... there are only a few days a year when you
can ski at Killington when it has snowed more than say four inches in the past
48 hours..... Yet they were open on July first, and October first of this year!

I would say snowmaking is definately a factor.

							Todd S.
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing in the rain
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:35:22 GMT
Organization: What, me? Organized?

In rec.skiing, John_McKercher@mindlink.bc.ca (John McKercher) writes:

> I'm going to try my hand at ski patrolling this year. 

 Great!

> I may be forced out to ski on those days [...] when it's raining. 

 Yeah...so? :-)

> Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to wear in the way of a ski 
> pant for those rainy days 

 Well, on the truly rainy days many of us up at Squaw just break down and
 wear good old yellow foul weather gear. Yeah, it doesn't breath at all and
 you'll sweat like a pig if you're not careful about your layering, but
 nothing else really works...forget Gore-Tex.

 Personally I bought my gear after one particularly foul Saturday two years
 ago. I went into the store and found some stuff with a label that said:

    "Absolutely, totally, utterly, completely waterproof"

 I said: "sold!"

 ..glen
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: Man made snow (SUCKS)
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne Australia
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:41:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.013239.13724@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>
>MORE WATER PER UNIT VOLUME???  SINCE SNOW IS FROZEN WATER I'D GUESS THAT YOU
>ARE TRYING TO SAY THAT IT PACKS DOWN EASIER.... YUP! Frozen water is frozen
>water and it may be different on the ground, but that is what snow is made

Due to the fact that snow falls as a 3 dimensional crystal, the density
of the snow can be calculated by measuring the volume of the snow, then
melting it and measuring the volume of the water (or simply weighing it
and calculating the vol/vol density).  Heavy snow is around 10-15% water
by volume, while very light powder is around 5%. As snow sits on the ground,
the crystals change, and so does the character of the snow.

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing in the rain
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:20:50 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Sep29.153313.665@tc.fluke.COM> lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell Skoog) writes:
>John_McKercher@mindlink.bc.ca (John McKercher) writes:
>
>>Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to wear in the way of a ski pant
>>for those rainy days when it is important to stay dry?
>
>I prefer Hefty Trash Bags.  They're cheap, waterproof, and the
>styling is, well, classic.  :-)

Yeah, the classic ski-dweeb look. 

Trash bags are also good for the wet-butt problem that is associated 
with rain or wet snow on the chair lift.  Most ski bibs are not 
totally waterproof, so a trash bag between the long-johns and the 
bibs can make a real difference under some conditions. 

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: Lift prices roll toward $50
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne Australia
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:12:24 GMT

In article <SSH.92Oct2081537@snow.boulder.ibm.com> <ssh@vnet.ibm.com> writes:
>Condensed from today's Denver Post (2 Oct 92), page 1 of the Business News
>section:
>				       
>			  Lift prices roll toward $50
>			  ---------------------------
>Experts say consumers will force alternative pricing methods
>
Skiers at Thredbo (New South Wales, Australia) are already paying over $50
for a day ticket.  Of course, this is Australian dollars, but the relative
cost for someone earning Aus dollars is about the same.  If I go to CO in
Feb and ski at Aspen, that $US43 day ticket will cost me about $AUS60 (based
on the current exchange rate of about $AUS.72 to $US1).

To give an idea of Aus prices, Mt. Buller in Victoria (about 3 hrs
drive from Melbourne) has the highest visitation rate of all the
Australian resorts (around 700,000 skier days per season).  This
season, prices were $47 for a day ticket, $37 for following consecutive
days.  A five day anytime booklet worket out at $42 per day, a nine day
anytime at $39.  There was also a 7 day mid-week only booklet, which
worked out at $38 per day (these multi-day prices are from memory
only).  A season pass bought pre-season (by 29th Feb) cost $765 (this
is exact, but I actually bought mine for this price in March).  The
regular season ticket price was about $860.  Last year's day ticket was
$47, but different multi-day packages were offered.  The consecutive
day offering was introduced this season, to try to encourage mid-week usage.

Tickets for the remainder of the season are now $30 (commencing today).
Buller is due to operate until Nov 4th with a reduced number of lifts.
There is still over 130cm of snow.

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au