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From: Darryl.Hosford@f120.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Darryl Hosford)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Insect Collections
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 19:01:06 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/120 - SpaceMet Internet, Amherst MA

Hello Jack,
 
I have my students collect insects in the spring.  This is my rational:  Most insects have rather short life spans, Most insects reproduce at very high rates, and that a careful selection of insects will not damage the food web or the population of the species.  I tell them that if they were able to catch it, it was probably on its way out anyway.
 
The collection "kill" jar should have cotton soaked in fingernail polish remover in the bottom.  Over this place paper that will keep the insects dry, wetting them with _any_ solution will cause problems.  Entroduce the insects and cover the jar with a lid....The process is over quickly.  Flying insects should them be placed on mounting boards that will place their wings at the proper angles for hardening.
 
Long term preservation:  I think you have to keep a supply of moth balls, etc.  (Moth Ice does not smell.)  in the specimen box.  This will have to be replaced as it evaporates.
 
For other teachers:  I would encourage you to develop alternate assignments for those students that are opposed to the collection or killing of insects.  There is no need to turn students off of science, simply to fulfill a collection requirement....
 
Hope that this helps.
Darryl Hosford


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From: FF005@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Cece Schwennsen)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Evolution discussion
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:50:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr8.025043.5069
Distribution: k12
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

I can appreciate the views held by those involved in the Evolution/Creation
argument.  I am pleaing with you to take your debate elsewhere as requested a 
number of times.  It appears that this argument is carried out by persons so
impassioned by the subject that they cannot nor will not be swayed to the other
side.  Please keep the discussion here to items of relevance to the K-12 class-
room.  Each educator (along with those directing the curriculum) will have to 
make his or her own decision regarding the teaching of this somewhat
contraversial topic.

Thanks.
Cece Schwennsen
From: David.L..Gibbons@f152.n321.z1.fidonet.org (David L. Gibbons)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: NSTA CONFERENCE BOSTON 92
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 08:28:50 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/152 - SpaceMet North 2, Greenfield MA

I was there from Thursday PM through Saturday. I hear I missed some lengthy registration lines by coming late.
I was particularly interested in the meetings on Chemcom, a new chemistry curriculum we are going to adopt.
I wonder, though, if the conference wasn't too big? It was very nice having all those exhibitors in one place and all those sessions to attend, but I just couldn't do it all justice!
 
By the way, I am in a rural private school in western Mass.
 
David


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From: JIM.DIXON@f240.n353.z1.fidonet.org (JIM DIXON)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: New users
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 09:29:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:353/240 - The Polish Connecti, Westbank BC

Date: 04-06-92 (23:16)             Number: 2
From: JANET MURRAY                 Refer#: NONE
  To:..............                 Recvd: No
...........................................................................
JM>In a message of <Apr 05 03:55>,.............. (1:203/454) wrote:
JM> FT> Replying to a message by George Cormie at 89:701/204.0,
JM> FT>  Hi George!
JM> FT>     On 02-Apr-92 your message held:
JM> LH>>We are trying to keep this a Science Echo.  This echo is not a
etc., deleted for brevity...

JM>Although you apparently intended to reply to a message from George
JM>Cormie, the part of the message you quoted was actually from Lowell
JM>Herr, the Moderator of K12 Science Ed (thus the initials "LH") - I
JM>suspect this is very confusing to new users.  I think we experienced

Hello Janet;
First may I say it is in error to assume that a new 'member' to any K12
echo is a new "user".  I have been poking around the boards since 300
baud was the rage and my Netmail from 'members' of some K12 members
suggested to me that I'm a new user.

JM>telecommmunicators who are involved in K-12 educational uses need
JM>to be more careful about how we phrase our messages and select
JM>our quotations.  As I watch the kids at my school, and present

So true.  It also takes some new users time to configure their off-line
readers properly.  Some set their readers to quote in a fashion that
omits the quoted portions originating initials.  For example, your
message may appear;

   "JM> text...text.." etc.  and user John Doe will quote it with;
   "JD>JM>text...text.." etc.

Confusion arises when John Doe drops the default quote style and sets up
his own which would produce;

   "JM> >text...text.." etc, or the reverse "JD> >text..."etc.

Why the K12 member Netmail?  Delayed mail.  Something new member, new
users and moderators often times forget.  They forget that it takes time
for many messages to go the rounds, that some BBSs set a limit as to how
many posts a user can D:load.  An example is a BBS that only allows 99
messages in the K12 Elementary echo.  If there were a note to myself,
and it was number 100, I wouldn't receive it.  Also, not everyone reads
or d:loads their mail each day.  The time it takes for mail to go the
rounds, the mail that is sometimes omitted because of space, and the
access leisure one has all contributes to misunderstandings.

JM>workshops around the state of Oregon, I continue to learn about
JM>new users' perceptions of this medium and the extent to which
JM>they are intimidated . . .

It is a good thing there people liken to yourself who can remove the
fear and intimidation of this and other computer mediums.

Jim

 * SLMR 2.1a * 
                                                                                                                         

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From: Jack.Crawford@f620.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Crawford)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Bug Preservation
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 10:54:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/620 - W-FL Teacher Resour, Stanley NY

Need some advice, please.....

Over the last two summers my daughter (now almost 7 years old) has
been collecting bugs. She has a box in which we have glued a piece
of styrofoam. When she finds an interesting (dead) bug, she puts a
pin thru it and sticks it into the styrofoam. We then try to
identify it looking in field guides. She has been doing this for the
last two years and _had_ a very interesting collection which she was
very proud of. :-(

However, when we took the box down from the shelf this year we found
that some live bug (probably a carrion beetle?) had gotten into the
box and has eaten the abdomens of all of her prized specimens. Her
entire collection is ruined. :-(

Questions:

1. Is there someway to chemically preserve the specimens so that
live bugs will not be inclined to eat them?

2. She has also encountered many living bugs that she would like to
put in her collection. While I don't condone indescriminate killing
of anything, the educational value in this situation seems to be a
reasonable justification. What are some "scientific" yet humane ways
to kill them without ruining their shells/wings? I tried dropping
them in rubbing alcohol but they struggled terribly--a hard way to
die. Got any better ideas?

Thanks for your help!

=jack=

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From: emcelwee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (B. E. McElwee Jr. (Eddie))
Subject: Re: Hi
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 21:57:02 GMT

Neil.Pearson@f66.n134.z1.fidonet.org  writes:
> Hi how's it going?  I moved to Calgary and I was wondering the local BBS's and to my surprise I saw your name.  Wow you really get around!
>   
>                              Neil Pearson
> 
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Hi to you too! Am new to this network and found your "HI" and
am experimenting to see if I can correctly send you a message
from Richmond, Va.  I visited in Calgary briefly this past
summer.  Hope to receive an answer from you!!!
From: Neil.Pearson@f66.n134.z1.fidonet.org (Neil Pearson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Hi
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 16:05:30 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:134/66 - Calgary Message Lin, Calgary Alta

Hi how's it going?  I moved to Calgary and I was wondering the local BBS's and to my surprise I saw your name.  Wow you really get around!
  
                             Neil Pearson


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From: Mort.Sternheim@f109.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Mort Sternheim)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: lasers and optics
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 08:46:21 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/109 - Pioneer Valley PCUG, Amherst MA

In a message of <06 Apr 92  08:08:18>, David L. Gibbons (1:321/152) writes:

 DL>     1) The use of a laser to "weld" a detached retina back in place. 
 DL>Here the laser is basically used to damage small spots of the retina 
 DL>and the resulting scar tissue does the welding. The laser-damaged spots 
 DL>are so small that little loss of vision occurs.

I have had retinal tears repaired twice in this way. I am not aware of any  
loss of vision, possibly because the tears are near the far edge of the  
retina.  The laser is used to make a series of small burns and scars around  
the sides of the tear so that the retina adheres to the tissue below.  This  
prevents a detachment from developing.

 



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From: John.Bible@f32.n105.z1.fidonet.org (John Bible)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Waste of time?
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 20:25:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/32 - On-Line Mutual Fund, Portland OR

* In a message originally to Linda Martin, Gary Saville said:
 > GSWell I can't say it's a scientific statement but from my
 > GSlimited experience with "poorer people"is that they feel
 > GSthey have more pressing concerns than the environment or
 > GSunderstanding how and why the earth works. Would you care
 > GSabout a planet if your fammily was strugling to feed
 > GSthemselves?

  Your statement might be true of the extremely poor who must devote 
all their time to work to survive, but from my experience poor 
people are just as interested in science as those with more wealth. 
It all depends on the parents, and later the schools the child grows 
up in, as well as motivation that the child has that is not as 
easily explained.  In truth, I have found that people who are 
interested in science do not come mostly from the rich or the poor, 
but from both in relatively equal amounts.  After all, all that one 
needs to learn about science is a public library and motivation.
                        ---John

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From: Jack.Crawford@f620.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Crawford)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: Creationism
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 09:33:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/620 - W-FL Teacher Resour, Stanley NY


TE> GS> I'm new to this discusion could you perhaps give me some references
TE> GS> on info of creationism??

The discussion on creationism and evolutionism in this echo ended in
March after several months of heated debate in which nothing was
decided.

In keeping with one of the basic rules of "Netiqette": Do not overdo
controversey, please refrain from further discussion on these
subjects in this echo.

Thank you

=jack= Crawford
K12net Council


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From: lamoran@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (L.A. Moran)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Evolution
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:07:16 GMT
Distribution: k12
Organization: UTCS Public Access


There have been a few postings recently on evolution/creationism in spite
of the fact that April 1st has passed. In objecting to these postings
Janet Murray made the following statement,

     "...may I suggest that you keep the educational/curricular/
      instructional goals in mind when you enter messages in
      K12Net echoes"

I thought that the intent of the coordinators was to censure discussion on
evolution (or evolutionism as Jack Crawford refers to it, revealing his
bias). The message seems to be that evolution is taboo because the
creationists object. The K12 gurus did not seem to be interested in the
scientific validity of the topic. Now you seem to be saying that evolution
is not part of education or science curriculum or science instruction.

If your intent is to forbid discussion of evolution for religious reasons
then why not just come out and say so? Don't try to pretend that evolution
is not scientific and shouldn't belong in a science forum.

Care to debate that point of view. Publically?

Laurence A. Moran (Larry)
Dept. of Biochemistry
University of Toronto
From: Jack.Crawford@f620.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Crawford)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Bug Preservation
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 13:09:59 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/620 - W-FL Teacher Resour, Stanley NY

 * Original to All @ 1:321/109.0
 * Forwarded 10 Apr 92 13:08:45 by Helen Sternheim @ 1:321/109.0

Need some advice, please.....

Over the last two summers my daughter (now almost 7 years old) has
been collecting bugs. She has a box in which we have glued a piece
of styrofoam. When she finds an interesting (dead) bug, she puts a
pin thru it and sticks it into the styrofoam. We then try to
identify it looking in field guides. She has been doing this for the
last two years and _had_ a very interesting collection which she was
very proud of. :-(

However, when we took the box down from the shelf this year we found
that some live bug (probably a carrion beetle?) had gotten into the
box and has eaten the abdomens of all of her prized specimens. Her
entire collection is ruined. :-(

Questions:

1. Is there someway to chemically preserve the specimens so that
live bugs will not be inclined to eat them?

2. She has also encountered many living bugs that she would like to
put in her collection. While I don't condone indescriminate killing
of anything, the educational value in this situation seems to be a
reasonable justification. What are some "scientific" yet humane ways
to kill them without ruining their shells/wings? I tried dropping
them in rubbing alcohol but they struggled terribly--a hard way to
die. Got any better ideas?

Thanks for your help!

=jack=

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From: Peter.Biro@p3.f155.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Peter Biro)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Volcanos and science
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:36:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: puddle.15702.29E85F29
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/155.3 - SECAP BBS, Clayton

edward,
in Australia we are not allowed to do the ammonium dichromate experiment for volcanoes as some of the products of the reaction are carcinogenic. To think of how many times we did it in the past (and played with mercury, etc) makes me shudder. Any demo which motivates students or excites their curiosity is worth doing.
Regards Peter Biro
Syndal Secondary College
Victoria
Australia  
 

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From: George.Cormie@p0.f204.n701.z89.fidonet.org (George Cormie)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: creationism
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 05:47:32 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 89:701/204.0

GC> I have no interest in keeping this topic going if only to provide 
 FT> a  GC> forum for poorly informed fundamentalists.
 GC> 
 GC> George Cormie/Leduc, Alberta
 
 FT> Lets hope that the user I lost doesn't feel that I'm discriminating
 FT> against one side or the other - the sysops and k12net council join 
 FT> (I'm sure) in asking that adult restraint is used to avoid the 
 FT> impulse for others to reply to yours.
 FT> 
 FT> Take care, George, these threads are fatal to hobbiest echos.
 FT> 
 FT>..............,...........                          (916)455-5154 
 FT> (voice) 
 FT> 
 FT> 
 FT> --- ME2
 FT> * Origin:........... Peace Child - NorCal Spirit! (916)451-0225 
 FT> (1:203/454)  * Tossed by SFToss v1.00 on 92/04/06  05:04:12
 
 Thanks for the message - dialogue is more constructive than monologue or  ignorance.  While I was teaching biology I always encouraged discussion  in all areas. Understanding and respect of opinions is important but the  basis of scientific enquiry and the nature of science is also important.   .
 The STS component (science/technology/society) of teaching science is  essential if the science taught is to be relevant to the learner.


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From: Lowell.Herr@f32.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Lowell Herr)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: creationism
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 04:17:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/32 - On-Line Mutual Fund, Portland OR

 > GS> I'm new to this discusion could you perhaps give me some references
 > GS> on info of creationism??

Tony,  We have been making an effort to terminate the creation/evolution
 discussion as it moved into philosophy and religion and we are trying to
 maintain this echo for science discussions.  I realize there is a connection
 but what was happening is that the two sides were not operating from the same
assumptions and it was coming closer to "Flaming" than a reasoned discussion.
 There are FidoNet echos where this discussion can continue.  We don't want to
shut off debate but we are asking those interested to shift the discussion to
another echo.  Thanks for your cooperation.

Moderator
LH 

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From: Paul.Swatridge@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Paul Swatridge)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Technology
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 22:35:04 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University


I am presently training to become an Industrial Arts teacher in
New South Wales. There is much conjecture here at the moment as
to who should be teaching the subject of design and technology.
I know that I.A students are recieving considerable training in
this area. Can anyone tell me the extent, if any, that design
and/or technology is being incorporated in other subject areas.
If so what training is being undertaken in this area.

Any help would be very much appreciated !---

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From: Frank.Topping@puddle.fidonet.org (Frank Topping)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: creationism
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 03:55:38 PST
Organization: Pacific Systems Group


 Replying to a message by George Cormie at 89:701/204.0,

  Hi George!

     On 02-Apr-92 your message held:

 LH>>We are trying to keep this a Science Echo.  This echo is not a 
 LH>> Religion
 LH>>Echo.
 LH>>Thank you for your cooperation.

 LH>>Moderator of Science Echo

I lost a user over this thread in this conference before _several_ of
the K12Net Council spoke up noting predictably that it was turning into
a flame-a-thon of similar passion to the children's "New Kids On The
Block" threads that have thankfully subsided.

 GC> I have no interest in keeping this topic going if only to provide a
 GC> forum for poorly informed fundamentalists.
 GC> 
 GC> George Cormie/Leduc, Alberta

Lets hope that the user I lost doesn't feel that I'm discriminating
against one side or the other - the sysops and k12net council join (I'm
sure) in asking that adult restraint is used to avoid the impulse for
others to reply to yours.

Take care, George, these threads are fatal to hobbiest echos.

Frank Topping,...........                          (916)455-5154 (voice)



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From: Jim.Copley@p0.f11.n356.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Copley)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Creation resources
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 92 11:03:18 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:356/11.0 - The College, Coos Bay OR

Hello all,
I am a creationist, who came from a liberal engineering/anthropology mix background.  Before getting into any discussion, here, I just wanted to give the address of a goos resource.  It is a magazine, strangely enough called "Creation- ex nihilo" <grin>.  Published by the Institute for Creation Research.  They do a very creditable job of researching material from non-Christian/non-creation sources, as well as sympathetic scientists.
 
USA:
Creation Magazine
P.O. Box 710039
Santee, Ca 92072, USA Canada:
Creation Magazine
Creation Science Association of Ontario
P.O. Box 821, Station A
Scarborough, Ontario, M1K 5C8, Canada
 
Other:
Creation Magazine
P.O. Box 302
Sunnybank, Qld, 4109
Australia
 
The latest issue has a fine discussion of radioactive-isochron dating, with a great deal of reference to work from the work of Y.F. Zheng in the international journal "Chemical Geology".  There is, after all, some doubt as to whether or not the earth is millions of years old, much less billions.
 
Carry On!
 
Jim Copley 


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From: John.Spoto@f81.n128.z1.fidonet.org (John Spoto)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: holograms
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 09:51:45 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:128/81 - Grey Haven, Colorado Springs CO

Hello, my name is John Spoto and I am a student at Liberty High School.  I 
am interested in some information about holographic figures.  I would like 
to have this information because of a report I have to write.  So if 
anyone would like to give me some input for my report I would be glad to 
hear what you had in mind.


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From: Darryl.Hosford@f120.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Darryl Hosford)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Creation / evolution
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 21:06:04 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/120 - SpaceMet Internet, Amherst MA

Hello all,
 
First I would like to thank most participants for shifting creation / evolution debate to another echo.  There have been a few exceptions, which is unfortunate.  Yess we can logon, and say what we want, but it is only proper to respect the moderators wishes.
 
I would like to denounce messages such as the one I am responding to for the attemp to stimulate the controversy back to life.  Several of us in this discussion have expressed our views and it is time to leave it for now.  I agree Larry, that there is nothing wrong with discussing evolution in a science forum, but wisdom would dictate a cooling off period.  In my opinion, Larry is dying to practice his techniques of debate, rather than being interested in a TWO WAY conversation.  I was the first, on this l


ist, to suggest that the issue be taken to email.  I have communicated with several by email, but I have yet to see a message sent to me with any concrete fact to debate.  The reason that I mention this is to show that without an audience, "debaters" either are speechless or uninterested.
 
Again, let's use this area as a tool to help all of us in our teaching endeavors.
 
Darryl Hosford       <dhosfor@atl.calstate.edu>


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