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From: anon@spdcc.com (Forwarded Anonymous Posting)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RNC: Buchanan's speech
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:58:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug18.035856.16336
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA


        I just saw parts of Pat Buchanan's speech live at the Republican
Convention.  I couldn't stand to watch all of it.  He rambled on and on
about morals and such.  The most offensive thing he said was that Clinton
backed homosexuals, as if we are a bad disease.  The conventioneers were
booing at not only Clinton, but at us.  It is so ironic how someone can
preach fundamental and moral love for God and of God, but go around and
despise those who are not "morally" correct.  The theme of Buchanan's
speech seemed to me to be of love, yet how can there be when he and his
party is constantly preaching hate?  And what can those people at the
convention be thinking of?  I see a black man cheering during a part of
the speech, but why is he doing so?  Would he be doing so, if let's say,
the convention occurred back during America's slavery years?  Wasn't our
country created upon a principle of fundamental rights for all its citizens,
that "all men [and women] are created equal?"  It just makes me mad to see
so much hate in those who consider themselves to be fundamentally correct.
Our country would not be as it is right now, if it had not been for people
who believe that prejudice based upon race and skin color is wrong.  The
times have changed, and so must society.  The views of the fundamentalist
Republican party are out of date and truly do not represent the views of
the majority of Americans.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jeans
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 20:03:23 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug20.183900.1323@nevada.edu>

[Re: Levis, Lees and Wranglers]

I prefer Levis for the very simple reason they're the only jeans
that come with a BUTTON fly.  I can indulge my preference for 
going without underwear without worrying about pinching tender
bits or catching hairs in the damn zipper.

[In fact, the only times these days when I do wear underwear is
when circumstance forces me into a pair of pants with a zipper
fly.]
 
() It feels so right          |
() When you squeeze it tight  | -- _Velcro Fly_
() When you reach the end     |    by ZZ Top
() Do it over again           |
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Masculine and Feminine, round 4.
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:45:19 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Bill Hsu: 

>I dunno, Richard, I think a dominant 7th with #9, #11 and b13 is
>queerer than a minor 9th with a b5. Maybe we can use extensions
>as indications of flavors of sex preferred. Complete vanilla sex
>would be simple major triads with no extensions. Then we work our
>way to 7ths (rough sex), unaltered higher extensions (light bondage),
>altered extensions (heavy S/M) etc etc...

You forgot: simple unison (masturbation), fifths (neither minor nor
major: the bi interval?), and my fave: major 6/9 (e.g., E-G#-B-C#-F#).

Now, make all this polyrythmic...
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:03:37 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <xbfpbg0r@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

>In article <1992Aug21.174447.20986@macc.wisc.edu>
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>Who'd want to be even 1% of a wizened old crow of 94?  Not
>>even Jess!  And by then, probably Donald will be way too old
>>for me.  I'll be gumming the Nelsons Minar, Johns Dorrance,
>>and Sims Aberson of soc.lgb, circa 2029, urging them to
>>shout sweet nothings directly into the ear trumpet.

>Jess, I've just laughed for three minutes solid after reading
>this.  The image is just too splendid.  I want to be there
>when it happens.

Eh?  Eh?  Speak up, will ye, m'wee lad?  I kinna see too
well, but ...  my my, that *is* impressive, ...  Eh?  Aye,
right inta th'horn, sonny.  Oh!  You'll what?  (Thought he'd
never ask!)

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
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From: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay vegetarians anonymous (was, be kind to small furry animals)
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:12:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug19.231204.27624
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Apparently my newsreader has gotten the newsgroup wrong here. :-)

From the keyboard of joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project):
:Hey, look, I've thought about this, really.  As a vegetarian, I still eat
:chicken and fish and stuff occasionally, and in a pinch (i.e., forgetting to
:order a vegeterian meal for the transfer portion of the flight back here) I'll
:even eat incredibly gross things like black pudding.

Faced with starvation, Man the adaptible will do what it takes to survive.
If he won't, he deserves extinction.

:I would have a lot of trouble eating something like a dog or a chimpanzee.
:Yet I was able to eat escargot without any qualms at all.

:I figure it's a sliding scale of association:  ...

A lot of people are going to argue with you here.  And what they're going
to do is argue not your with your sensitivity to other living beings, your
desire to have less environmental inpact on this earth, and your wish to
live a healthier life, but rather with the fact that you are not 100.00%
squeaky clean in their eyes.  

Which sucks.  

Like religious bigots, overrighteous vegetarians have no sympathy and
appreciation for people who are trying in their own way to accomplish
similar goals.

Dr MacDougal, whose only flesh intake is the occasional Thanksgiving
turkey and that not even annually, explicitly states that he is NOT a
vegetarian.  He wants to distance himself from the zealots who will be
berating you, and I understand.  People are always confused when I
consistently order only vegetarian meals but deny being a vegetarian.  On
the other hand, it might keep them from trying to server me fatburgers.

--tom
-- 
    Tom Christiansen      tchrist@convex.com      convex!tchrist

Never make anything simple and efficient when a way can be found to
make it complex and wonderful.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Introduction
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:13:55 GMT

Robert Coren (coren@osf.org) wrote:
 
: Although I have to admire Jess for being able to take 103 lines to
: say:
: 
: > In sum: situation normal, nothing to get excited about.
-------------
As usual with Jess's writings, getting there was half the fun.
Ry's interpretation was good, too.

Mike Drayton
mdrayton@sr.hp.com  (Hewlett-Packard Co., Santa Rosa, CA)
From: John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Republican Convention anagram
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:47:45 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center

In light of the gay bashing done by Pat Buchanan on Monday night I give you
this anagram for Republican National Convention:

Puritanical ban on innocent love 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco)
Subject: Re: sexual attraction and paraphilias
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:29:17 GMT

You might consider reading Chapter 1 of _Vandalized Lovemaps_ (John
Money and Margaret Lamacz)
 
I found it to be an interesting adjunct to therapy that helped
solve a problem with Panic Disorder I was having.
 
A reasonable definition of paraphilia, and it's origins, are
explored in 7 biographies about folx with various paraphilias.

Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Networking absurdities (Was: Re: first batch of GIFs f...)
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:12:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.41345
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <3184.410.uupcb@matrix.sbs.com> eric.hunt@matrix.sbs.com (Eric Hunt) writes:
>MM>Somewhere in my one-carl-sagon-unit worth of networking and OS books
>MM>is a lovely line which reads "putting your NIT (Network Interface Tap)
>MM>in promiscuous mode is a good way to find out what your neighbors
>MM>are up to".
>
>I just pull out my trusty Sniffer and start sniffing. Certainly a more
>sensual experience, no?

A sniffer as a sensual experience ...  Hmm, possibilities.

Let's see.  You can filter on *REALLY* *BIG* *PACKETS* and after interrogating
their headers, you can follow them back to the source.  You can grope packet
contents looking for suitable messages.  You can pretend to be a different
source and spoof the destination into trusting you completely and allowing
you entry.

Yup, a sniffer is definitely a sensual experience.

I do so love networking :-)

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edi        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: harris@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sarcasm
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:55:49 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Aug19.171910.14884@infonode.ingr.com> norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:

>Maybe in addition to an interobang (?!) character, we need a sarcasm flag.

>Let's use some little-used character; say like ~  (Now what's that called?)

It's called a "tilde."  (Unless you're using a funny character set, in
which case it could very well be a letter not included in the standard
US character set.  Isn't the tilde also the "a" with a circle on top,
you know, the Angstrom symbol, used in Scandinavian languages?  I
don't remember, and I'm too lazy to pull out my manual with the
international keymaps.  I do remember that the pipe [|] is the Spanish
letter which would be transliterated into Portuguese as "enhe," the
letter "n" with a tilde on top.

(Now, is that a complicated enough description of what the little
squiggly is, or not?  I might be able to write a two-parter, ending
with, "now, I like myself."  Just try me.... ;-)

Trey Harris
Stranger in a Strange Thread
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Levi's vs. Levis
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:51:21 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In an earlier posting, I mentioned Levi's jeans.  Several followups
referred to Levis jeans. 

I called the consumer affairs office at Levi Strauss in San Francisco and
asked which was correct.  They apparently get this question fairly often,
because the woman I talked to had the answer and the reason on the tip of
her tongue. 

It's Levi's, because it's short for Levi Strauss's jeans. 

I also told her I that I fully supported their position on the boy scouts.
 

-- 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kenj@kambo.wpd.sgi.com (Ken ``Blackfur'' Jones)
Subject: Re: Gay Republicans
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:53:59 GMT

levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes:

>In article <92232.131641IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>|well, i've considered registering republican, although i've
>|never done it.  

>You might want to think twice about this.  I did it to vote for John
>Anderson back in (when the hell did he run, anyway?), and I've been
>intermittently getting junk mail from Ronald Reagan ever since.

Well at lest the Republican Party is wasting money on you instead of
spending it on somebody who might be duped by their spiel.

- Ken
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Whizzzzzzz ( was Re: Introduction)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 02:45:11 GMT


In article <1992Aug18.225845.26574@gordian.com>
mike@gordian.com (Michael A.  Thomas) writes:

>  Bzzt. Too hot. How can you screw in heat like this?

My old boyfriend Steve (there are three of them, but I mean
the third and most recent) and I screwed the bejesus out of
each other one night in a sauna.  It was 215 in there.
Quite a sensation.  Then we went outside, broke the ice on
the horse trough and jumped in.  *Quite* a sensation, that
fires every neuron in your entire body at once.  It's not an
entirely pleasant sensation, rather like electrocution, I
think.

(Must be responsible here: *do* *not* do this if you have
 *any* heart disease in your family!  Somebody died here
 not long ago doing a much milder stunt of going from hot
 to cold.)

-- 
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From: jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sexual attraction and paraphilias
Date: 15 Aug 92 09:23:25 GMT
Originator: jrk@sperwer.cwi.nl

cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:
>As I recall from my readings 
>in psychology regarding paraphilias, it is accepted that they cannot 
>be changed.

Given the lamentable record of psychologists' attitudes to anything but
vanilla het missionary-position sex (hereafter: VHMS (tm)), it seems
entirely plausible that they have had little success in persuading people
not to enjoy the things that they enjoy, and a good thing too.

>Again, my understanding of paraphilias is that the experts aren't 
>really sure how they come about either.  Perhaps that is why they 
>presently regard them as "immutable" since there is no clear way to 
>deal with them.

Of course there is a clear way to deal with them.  Indulge them.
What's the problem?

"Paraphilia" is a meaningless boo label with no explanatory content.
Is there any operational definition of the word that would not also
cover an exclusive desire for VHMS?

--
Richard Kennaway     SYS, University of East Anglia, Norwich NR4 7TJ, U.K.
Internet:  jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk               uucp:  ...mcsun!ukc!uea-sys!jrk

If you're not having fun, you're doing something wrong.
From: timmy_b@cowpas.waffle.atl.ga.us (Tim Barnes)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: wearing symbols
Date: 16 Aug 92 04:07:35 GMT
Organization: COW Pastures

elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>    Wear the symbols in combination.  Wear them in jarringly incongruous
> situations.  For a while it was very popular for "pro-lifers" to wear a

I just noticed tonight that International Male is selling Freedom Rings
in their catalog.  Freedom Rings were created by an artist <I can't 
remember his name> as a fund raiser for the 1991 San Francisco 
Gay/Lesbian Pride Day.  They were a big hit and are now seen as a symbol 
of Gay Pride all over the United States.  I suspect many heterosexuals 
will now be walking around adorning Freedom Rings and confusing the heck
out of us <grin>.  The IM ad describes them as "Rainbow Ring Necklace.  
Express your individuality with this colorful accent of bright anodized 
metal rings suspended from a 28" steel ball chain."
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Rob Bernardo
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:58:28 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation

I didn't know Rob well. We had engaged in a few dialogues in
soc.motss, and may have exchanged some inconsequential mail. But I
recognized a sort of kindred spirit -- a Jewish inteelectual of about
my age, from the New York area, with a keen interest in language and
languages. I always read everything he wrote here: I knew it would be
educational, or affirming, or entertaining, or very likely all three.

I got to meet him once; I visited him at his house in Concord about 2
months ago. (This would probably have been one of Rob's Famous
Barbecues, except the only other person he could summon at short
notice was Chuck.) He wasn't exactly what I expected, in ways I can't
quite put my finger on; gentler, maybe -- more of the nice Jewish boy
from Long Island than the cowboy. I don't remember much about the
conversation, except that it was pleasant and interesting. I am more
grateful than I can express that this meeting came about.

I wish I had known him better. He will be missed. But he is also still
here, in the memories of those who knew him, in "quotes" files all
over the world, in this strange family of soc.motss.
From: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:46:36 GMT
Reply-To: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Organization: International Computers Limited, Reston, Virginia, USA

In article <1992Aug19.173953.14333@auto-trol.com> katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
>I think we need to start a new support group, NBASF (Normal Butches Against
>Sicko Femmes). Requirements for membership should include (but not be limited
>to):
>
>	1. NO MAKEUP ALLOWED, EVER!!!
>	2. NO FEMME CLOTHING (as determined by the charter members of the group).
>	3. NO SHAVING OF LEGS OR ARMPITS.
>	4. NO HAIR LONGER THAN 2 INCHES (except in armpits).
>	5. NO HEELS TALLER THAN 1 INCH (cowboy boots excepted).
>	6. NO SARCASTICALLY IMPAIRED PERSONS.

Oh, I didn't like this post very much (smiley)...

...until I got to this next part:

>We can make up whatever rules we want. Butches make the rules, femmes have to
>follow them!

Well, gosh, twist my arm...  Okay, all you butches, *what* exactly
is it that you want me to do?


Michelle, respectfully femme
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Subject: parents
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:36:52 GMT


	gretchen posts interesting stuff about coming out.

	(gretchen, if those midwest relatives of yours are missouri
	synod lutherans, we're related)

	my mom is loving in a very smothering way; dad is more aloof.
	mom is also very critical & judgmental; dad is more unconditionally
	loving.	dad has been *much* more accepting of my bisexuality, or maybe
	it's just harder to tell what he thinks.

	annemarie
	asuccop@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Introduction
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:44:14 GMT


In article <l8s68sINNg54@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug16.040630.8682@wam.umd.edu> 
|> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Lovegod) writes:
|> > Hi everybody!  It's been a delightful summer!
|> 
|> How nice for you.

An undeserved response.  He says he's had a delightful
summer.  You sneer.  Why?

|> > I still don't know too much about anyone  
|> > here.  Most of the preliminary posts that new people read provide little or 
|> > no insight of the authors.  
|> 
|> Honey, if you don't know what I'm about after reading two or three
|> of my posts, no amount of biographical information will help.

There are people here other than *you*.  And you've made
the point that your persona here is not who you are
away from here - how can you now chide someone for wanting
to know more about the real people behind the posts?

|> > I really would like to get to know everyone here at  
|> > soc.motss ... 
|> 
|> How nice.

How not nice.  He's reaching out and you put him down.
Why?

-- 
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Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Buck Rogers (was: research on the gay male voice)
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:56:43 GMT

amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>yes, daniel has it right: _buck rogers in the 25th century_.

>the torso belongs to gil gerard.  no mere male torso, however
>well-formed and glistening with sweat, can make up for the appalling
>acting of gerard and pamela hensley.

>it has a phalanx of hunky winged men (who used to be a *major* fantasy
>for me), and at least some viewers - hi, steve! - rent the movie just
>to fast-forward from one of their appearances to the next.

Hunky winged men..aren't you confusing this with the equally appalling
'Flash Gordon' ? I know Steve would rent that...

>jacques and i have twice tried to watch it on tv, for the torso and the winged
>hunks, and to shout catcalls at the acting and direction, but we
>couldn't last more than halfway through.  it tends towards the merely
>boring rather than the entertainingly awful.

Did you guys ever see the series? It was so...bizarre. In the second
season we got this birdman-creature, with wings and feathers and
everything.

And that woman running around in the wierdest mini-stuff, trying to do
'serious' acting with lines like: "Oh Buck, if we don't stop the
negative-energy inducer, everything will be suspended in a
power-trance, and the universe will explode!" while standing in the
midst of cardboard and foam, every week! Such teeth (I don't think it
says very much for a TV actress if all I can remember her by is her
teeth).

It was dreadfull without being fun dreadfull.

At least 'Space 1999' had Barbara Baine in fabulous creations. Which I
watched religiously wether in Colombia 15 years ago - with my sister
Axele covering my eyes whenever she thought it was getting too scary
for her little brother - or a year or two ago on a rerun on BRT1
(Belgian channel) on a Sunday afternoon.

I still can hear Ed exclaim "why do you watch that stuff?" while I was
waiting for the first appearance of Maya the Metamorph.

							FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: AS.DLH@forsythe.stanford.edu (David Hatt - 5-0083)
Subject: Jay and Arsenio on gay issues
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:29:58 GMT

Did anyone watch "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" and Arsenio last
night (Tuesday, Aug 18)?  If so, did you notice a big difference in
how the Jay and Arsenio reacted to gay issues?

Leno had on Sir Ian McKelland (sp?) who pointedly said about his
knighting "I came out gay before the knighting so it was
particularly rewarding."  Jay changed the subject quickly.  Two
minutes later, Jay asked how he heard he was to be knighted.  "I
was watching TV of Thatcher moving from Downing St.  I was cheering
because of the things she's done against gays and lesbian..."  Jay
ignored Ian's comment completely.  Here this man was knighted, he
came out gay across the world, he made no bones about it and Leno
just ignored it.

Arsenio, on the other hand, had Amanda Donohoe who played a bisexual
on L.A. Law.  Arsenio kept asking questions whether there will be
gay characters as the lead in tv shows, Arsenio's anecdote about
Harvey Fierstein.  Arsenio wasn't afraid to bring up gay issues at
all.

I used to have respect for Jay Leno until last night.


---Dave

p.s. and, yes, I *do* have a life!