From: ehk6889@elm.njit.edu (Ekramul H Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: $$$ to MInsk
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:13:19 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Summary: How do I send $$ (US) to Minsk. Any help will be appreciated
 
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In article <1992Dec8.105851.25999@cs.chalmers.se> tammet@cs.chalmers.se (Tanel Tammet) writes:
>In article <1g06diINNfjp@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec7.112924.9250@cs.chalmers.se> tammet@cs.chalmers.se (Tanel Tammet) writes:
>>>
>>>Exactly the same goes for Finland - I suppose Finland is also an
>>>unlawful country, according to you. As you know, this viewpoint
>>
>>According to me we should deal with state of affairs we have at hand, and
>>not base our (he, I wish they are our) decisions on history. 50 years in 20-th
>>century is history. And modern situation is that there is independent Finland
>>and independend Estonia, who puts 40% of it's population through humilation of
>>begging for citizenship.
>
>The problem is that the modern situation has been caused by those 50 years.
>The alleged "humiliation of begging for citizenship" is inevitable, as the
>Soviet citizens moving into Estonia just are not Estonian citizens. To
>acquire any new citizenship you have to apply for it. The only alternative
>is that the citizenship of another country is forced on you - this used
>to be the Soviet practice. 
>
>Even if all the recquirements for obtaining
>the Estonian citizenship were dropped (no requirement of a 3-year
>residency, no language test for 1500 words), I am afraid that the
>sheer fact of having to submit an application to get a new citizenship
>would be claimed to be humiliating - it somehow makes people remember
>the history.
>
>In any case, anybody having a permanent residency can, of course,
>avoid the "humiliation of applying for the citizenship" by not 
>applying. The economical guarantees are the same as for citizens,
>and the noncitizen residents can even participate in local elections.
>
>>>However, it is not exactly Russia who determines which countries are
>>>lawful and which are not. Estonia was considered an independent,
>>>lawful country by a world community before WWII and after the occupation
>>
>>Russian empire was considered lawful state before WWI. It ttok some 20 years
>>and need for Russian raw materials to recognize the new goverment. It would
>>take 1 or two years to recognize the annexation of Baltic states, if USSR
>>would press hard enough. Somehow it was not in the position on pressing hard
>>enough, espessially on this not so important (from their point of view) question.
>
>It would have taken, you mean. I agree - "USSR somewhy was not in
>the position of pressing hard enough".
>
>>>Of course, I agree with your point that Russia is in a position to
>>>destroy the Estonian state again, kill the government and send
>>
>>My point was that 40% of population alone is enough to make a hell of
>>civil war. Of course in this case there will be no civil war, once something
>>of the kind will start, there will be occupation, and with good chances
>>end of Russian democracy. Democracies are not very good in occupations, they
>>tend to transform to something else, once they turn to this.
>
>Exactly. 
>
>>
>>So good slogan "For your freedom and ours", first dropped the first part
>>and may de facto transform in it's opposite.
>
>No, I do not agree on this. If you follow politics, you see that
>Estonian politicians have always supported Yeltsin (though they
>have, of course, not had power to influence things directly),
>and Russian democrats and the current Estonian government continues  
>the same line. 
>
>Regards,
>	Tanel Tammet
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