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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sylv and Sophie
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:13:46 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <9207291812.AA27726@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Liz%Eng%Banyan@MAGNOLIA.BANYAN.COM writes:
>hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Scott Hannon; PHYS (GRAD)) says
>>But Ace...yech! Hate is too strong a word (its just tv show), but I think
>>she is bad for Dr Who on a number of levels. The main problem I have with
>>her (by far) is her hobby, making bombs. I'm amazed that a TV program for
>>children (Dr Who is seen as this by some) can pass off a person like
>>Ace as a positive role model. 
>
>I can see your point.  But how good a role-model (especially for young
>women - and there were a good number of us brought up on the Doctor) is
>a quasi-intelligent shrieker who reverts to the mentality of a twelve-
>year-old every time the Doctor is in the general vicinity???  Ace, at
>least, is a three-dimensional completely drawn human being.  The last time
>(IMHO) that this kind of effort was made with a female companion was with
>Liz Shaw, and we all know how long *she* lasted.
>
>As for the explosives; well, I get a bit of a charge (you'll pardon the
>pun;-)) out of Ace's hobby.  As I mentioned, I haven't seen that many
>Ace stories; but in Fenric, the nitro-nine was used appropriately - and
>only once (although a number of things were blown up in other ways).  
>[Can somebody tell me if she's ever killed anyone with the stuff?]  I
>think she is generally a positive role model - she's bright, she speaks
>her mind, and she's a truly good, if imperfect, person.  I'd rather see
>her as a role model than some half-dressed woman running around killing
>people with little thorns.
>
>So I disagree with you. :-)  All of this is my own opinion only, and I
>don't begrudge you yours.
>
>Liz
>lizb@banyan.com
>
Here are all the uses of Ace's nitro-nine that I can recall off the top
of my head:
	from "Dragonfire"
	two cans to blow down the door to the landing bay
	two cans thrown at the zombie-cryogenic soldiers (thrown by Mel)
		- didn't work either
	(may be more in this one but I think this is it)
	from "Remembrance on the Daleks"
	two cans used by the Doctor to blow down the wall next to a Dalek
	from "The Happiness Patrol"
	one can used by Ace to defend herself and one of the Pipe People
	from Fifi,   Fifi was injured but not killed.
	from "Silver Nemesis"
	her rucksack-full of Nitro to blow up the Cybermen's spaceship
	from "Battlefield"
	one can to dig a hiole on the battlefield dig and get to the tunnel
	from "The Curse of Fenric"
	two small cans used by Ace to blow down the brick wall in the secret
	tunnel
	
Ace herself has only ever thrown nitro at one living creature, Fifi, and
it didn't kill it.
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Syl and Sophie
Date: 31 Jul 92 08:57:42 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) wrote:
>In article <9207291347.AA15829@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Liz%Eng%Banyan@HIPPO.BANYAN.COM writes:
>>kguinn@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Kip J. Guinn) says:
>>>And if, by the gods, a new series is being planned, any notice on whether
>>>Sylvester McCoy and Ace (don't know the actress) will be back?  I, for
>>>one (and I think I am in the minority) _liked_ Syl and Ace--what a team!

If they both return, fine. If not, fine. The show isn't about Ace, and McCoy
isn't the only actor who has been/will be the Doctor. Demanding the return of
McCoy and Ace is silly and probably irritating to those in charge. I think
it would be best if the show picks up where it left off, but could care less
if there is a change. I'd prefer that the show return ASAP regardless who is
cast.

Even if Ace does return, I won't be disappointed if she makes a quick exit.
I think it was Steven who was told by the Doctor not to call him "Doc" and
he did so. The Doctor has told Ace not to call him "Professor" but she doesn't
listen. I would get a little irritated if someone called me Joe consistently.
The writers don't make a deal out of it any longer. Ace's dippy phrases such
as "brill" are just her version of annoying screaming that the other female
companions did. None of this has anything to do with Sophie. Ace will
eventually be replaced. It's just a matter of when. I can wait if I have to.

>So, the conclusion I can draw is, the McCoy haters aren't in the majority...
>they're just loud enough to make us think they are.  The truth of the
>matter is that Sylv has consistently placed second - or first - in DWM's
>favorite-Doctor surveys.

Well, I'm not to concerned with who wins the popularity contest, but I would
have to wonder about the people surveyed. I'm probably wrong, but I don't
think the Brits get Who repeated so often like we Yanks do. "Who" are they
going to remember most? Who they saw last. As for many people who speak out
on the net, a lot don't see pre-Pertwee stories. The more I see/read of
Troughton the faster he passes Davison (who I saw first, but is not my fav)
on my list. Perhaps McCoy can be as entertaining if his reigns are removed
(over-edited stories that require novelization readings, short stories, etc).

Too many people get bent on who is the best Doctor and companion. Let's just
see the return of the show. I don't really care who plays the parts, let's
just get some quality stories and most people will be satisified. We'll
never find out how the Doctor regenerates for the 13th time if we keep the
earlier incarnations around a long time 8-).

Tom

Tune in next week to see the Doctor step in one mess after another in
"Cattlefield"!
From: glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Gerald Reno)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Time Loops
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:50:03 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In the interests of getting back to Doctor Who and away from
Christianity, I'm going to ask a Star Trek question.

***Begin Asbestos

I am asking this here because 1) I don't have the month needed
to catch up on rec.arts.startrek.tech and 2) this is where the
heavy-duty time-travel question answerers hang out.

***End Asbestos

I just saw the NexGen episode "Cause and Effect", wherein the
Enterprise gets caught in a time-loop, at the end of which it
explodes (hence starting the time-loop, etc). It brings up two
questions:

1) Where was the Big E's resident Time Lady, Guinan? Can the
fact that she DIDN'T speak up be the final disproof of her
origins?

Actually, no one can really answer that until next season's
premier.

2) Right at the end of the loop, when they first try, and fail,
to dump the warp core (I ddn't know starships could seg fault),
Riker orders all crew to the escape pods, and then, seconds
before the explosion, Picard orders all hands to abandon ship.
Now: If we assume that some of the crew actually managed to
eject, and managed to get out of the blast radius of an
exploding warp drive (big assumptions, I know), what would
happen to them? Would they dissappear back into the time loop?
Or would they escape from the loop, repeatedly?

This hinges on the size of the loop, of course. Variables: The
Enterprise spent seventeen days on the outside in the loop. The
loop apparently covered one night's time (from the middle of the
Tuesday poker game, with time for the resident redhead to get a
night's sleep, and a staff meeting, presumably the next morning).
There is no reference to the Enterprises speed during this, but
views through the ports did not show stars moving, which
special-effects-wise means they weren't in warp drive.

Comments?

Jerry Reno (Cmdr Steve C. Loser) glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil
"Oh, blast! Here we go again..." "What's the matter?" "Well, now
his probe circuits jammed." "Oh, that's easy, just waggle his tail!"
"Oh, blast! Here we go again..." "What's the matter?" "Well, now
his probe circuits jammed." "Oh, that's easy, just waggle his tail!"
"Oh, blast! Here we go again..." "What's the matter?" "Well, now
his probe circuits jammed." "Oh, that's easy, just waggle his tail!"
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From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Subject: Re: Doctor Who Appreciation Society & Dr. Who Fan Club of America
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:25:22 GMT

the reason the DWFCA went dormant  had nothing to do with managment problems
it was a sinple case of Lionheart wanting to take control of USfandom by
starting their own club and withdrawing their support of the DWFCA by not
granting them rights to show videos any more. this meant no more Timefests
and the DWFCA losing their best source of income and publicity and it came
down to ron either getting a new job and feeding his family or compromising
his principles and acceeding to Lionheart's demands. ron chose concentrating
of his typsetting business and the DWFCA fell to the wayside like lionheart
wanted. it's now in somebody else's hands and from the sample "please rejoin"
issue they sent me when they restarted things look good and i encourage people
that used to belong to give them a try again. i do believe i'm sounding
preachy, ah well, i have nothing but contempt for lionheart cus they're scum
and the people with the DWFCA have always been really cool to me and they
do their best to keep their promises, unlike the lionheart weasels. 


-- 
corey w nelson		| ' some women want to come clean, some just want
keeper of the Sisters	|	to take you to the cleaners....
of Mercy FAQ, DISCOG	|
and several others...	|
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From: trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy)
Subject: Re: Franks Brain?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:51:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.031850.7409@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>In article <12377@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L) writes:
>>
>>Seriously though, I truly believe that Frank's arrival has been one
>>of the more stimulating things to happen to this BB so far.
>>
>
>I'll agree with you Lawrence.  Good drama usually occurs when we have a good
>villain to fight against.  :)
>


To quote my favourite fictional character, Arthur Dent:

"Ah," said Arthur, "Abuse."

trump@iastate.edu

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From: aa201@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doc White)
Subject: Re: Cleveland, Ohio LOSES Doctor Who !
Reply-To: aa201@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doc White)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:37:35 GMT


In a previous article, drich@sandman.lerc.nasa.gov (Daniel Rich) says:

>In article <1992Jul16.185543.14811@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, aa201@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doc White) writes:
>
>    .... Msg about WVIZ stopping Dr. Who broadcasts deleted ....
>
>While it is true that the ratings are dropping, then neglect to
>mention one of the potential reasons why.  I used to watch Dr. Who on
>TV 25, but stopped the last time they purchased the rights.  You see,
>the didn't just purchase the rights to brodcast the series, but the
>*exclusive* broadcast rights for northern Ohio.  That's right, no
>other station within TV 25s viewing area could show Dr. Who.  I was
>watching on TV 45/49 the final night they were allowed to show DW.  At
>that point I decided that not only was I going to avoid watching 25 as
>much as possible, but that I would not give them any funding money.
>
>I have to admit, while 25 was enjoying their "exclusive" rights, it
>forced the other stations to find other things to fill the time.  I
>have since had the chance to watch several episodes of Blakes Seven
>and Red Dwarf (which I have never seen on WVIZ)....
>

JUST TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT!

I was working the membership drive at Channels 45/49 on the night that
the station manager, stated ON THE AIR, that he did NOT LIKE Doctor Who
and that the program would NOT BE RENEWED no matter how many people
called in and pledged.   WVIZ was OFFERED the exclusive rights as there
was NO OTHER station in the area that wished to broadcast the program.
WVIZ could NOT have gotten those rights, IF Channels 45/49 had wanted
to renew the program.  From the information we received this past week
Channels 45/49 still do NOT want the program, so all of north eastern
Ohio will still be without the program.

-- 
Doc White, aa201: Primary Sysop, The Science Fiction and Fantasy Sig
--------------------------------------------------------------------
The Cleveland Free-net's FIRST Non-Medical SIG - [est. April, 1986]
         OFFICIAL SPONSOR: 1992 U.S. OLYMPIC SHOOTING TEAM
From: nitro9@hardy.u.washington.edu (Nitro-9)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Louisiana Public Broadcasting to show 'Tomb.'
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:21:12 GMT
Organization: "There's a Penguin on the Tele"- of Baton Rouge

On August 22nd, that rather odd group of British Television fans to which I
belong will be manning the phonelines for LPB's Summer Festival. Scheduled
to be shown is Tomb of the Cybermen. I think this must make LPB one of the
first PBS stations to air this rare (?!) classic. Then on August 29th, they
will be showing Dragonfire plus Resistance is Useless. If you are in the LPB
viewing area, set those VCR's and get ready to donate, give 'till it hurts!
And if you just happen to notice the female character in the Robin Hood outfit
heading the Beg-a-thon, you'll know who it is.......   ;)

-KCS

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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:58:35 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Jul23.172714.11918@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
>Oh, yes...Bumblebess and what someone thinks a BBC exec. said in 1962 are
>completely and totally connected to going backwards in time.

Oh, do open up your skull once in a while, Frank, and let some imagination
in.  We're making analogies.  The issue is not whether time travel can
be powered by bumblebees or BBC executives.  The issue is closed-mindedness,
the stubborn belief that because current theory doesn't allow something to
happen, that it'll never happen.

In the '50s, the leading lights of the rocketry community (Werhner von
Braun, Willy Ley, etc) said that it was impossible for a rocket to fly
directly from the earth to the moon.  The most powerful fuels known couldn't
generate enough thrust to lift the rocket the whole way.  Then they
discovered new fuels and successful three-stage rockets.  The impossible
happened.

In the '60s, there was a huge proliferation of fundamental particles.  There
seemed to be no organizing principle under the universe.  Then they
discovered quarks, and a whole new layer to theoretical physics.  And
suddenly a whole bunch of "impossible" relationships between particles
came to light.

They said the Wright brothers' plane wouldn't fly.  Then they said the 
Harrier jumpjet wouldn't fly.  They did.

In 1963, the BBC gave Doctor Who thirteen weeks to live.  Then the show
caught the imagination of millions and ran for a quarter-century instead
of a quarter-year.  Its success flew in the face of all the theories of
what makes a TV show popular.  They're still trying to figure it out.

And the Doctor never said that bumblebees couldn't fly.  He said that
according to conventional aerodynamic theory they couldn't fly... BUT THEY
DID ANYWAY.  They had to develop new theory to understand bumblebeehavior,
to coin a word.

The point?  Conventional wisdom can be wrong, things that seem logical
might not always be true, and the completely bizarre (like QCD, powered
flight, and maybe even time travel) may turn out to be possible after
all.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Christianity flamewar.

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From: c9107143@cc.newcastle.edu.au (THERE IS NO ESCAPE THE KURGEN HAS FOUND YOU)
Subject: 30th Anniversary Special, 7 Doctors????
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:27:26 GMT

Does anyone know if the BBC (or anyone else) are planning to make a 30th
anniversary special like the 3 or 5 Doctors???
Even if they didn't want to be involved with the cost of a full series surely
one special would not bankrupt them....
later
Kurgen
please e-mail me


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From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: Re: Doctors Memery from the 2 Doctors
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 23:16:01 GMT

In article <w46coB4w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>I just though of something.  The 2nd doctor met Peri in perculiar
>circumstances.  She saved his and the 6th Doctor's life in the Two Doctors
>with the help of Jamie.
>However, it leaves one to wonder how Doctors 5 and 6 could not remember Peri
>from that earlier venture.  Could it be that the Doctor was made to forget
>this after the War Games? OR was that dose of Spectrox enough to wipe off some
>of his memory cells?

Well, you mentioned the "peculiar circumstances".  The second doctor
was nearly turned into a cannibalistic monster of some sort
(I forget the name) and was just barely revived.  It's possible
his memory might have become faulty.
Second, a LOT of time passes between the second Doctor and Jamie
to the point where the fifth Doctor meets Peri (in Planet of Fire,
I believe).  So there may not have been much recognition anymore.
Third, you may be right about both the War Games, Spectrox, and
possibly, regenerations might have had an effect (the fifth
Doctor was awfully dazed at first).
Course, the sixth Doctor recognized Jamie easily enough, so that's
not too great an expplination, I guess.  The rest still applies.
 
That can be explained OK.  What can't be explained as easily
is why the Doctors seem so surprised by their next generations;
since all five should recognize each other now, the fourth
Doc shouldn't have been so surprised at his, nor should the fifth
have.  I think it all has to be explained by memory loss
due to bad regenerations and time.

Besides, part of the Two Doctors was innacruate too, as far as I
can tell.  Jamie never traveled solo with the Doctor--he was always
with Zoe or Victoria.  I may be missing something there though.
 

-- 
"So you're choosing to run from your own people in a rackety old TARDIS?"
		     D  O  C  T  O  R     W  H  O
				30 Years
"Why not?  After all, that's how it all started!"
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From: mrmuon@next09pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Excuses behind ToaTL (Re: Valeyard)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:27:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.050955.3530@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom  
wilson) writes:
> Finally, the Who experts, who evidently have every piece of Who  
memorabilia
> imaginable, don't seem to realize the show isn't written with that  
audience in
> mind. When the viewers watch, why are the supposed to know the  
behind-the-
> scenes happenings in advance? It sure ruins the enjoyment if that is  
necessary.
> I like to collect odds-and-ends about Doctor Who, but I pray I don't  
need them
> to watch the show. "Read the novel" for McCoy's stories is such a crappy
> excuse to understand a story.

   During the McCoy era the BBC officals forced the DW season down to 14  
episodes leading to 3 and 4 part stories in order to have a vaguely  
reasonable number of stories. Meanwhile the writers were comeing up with  
very innovative and immaginative stories like "Rememberance of the Dalek"  
and "The Curse of Fenric". The writers had to try and convey in 3 or 4  
parts stories which would probably have taken at least 6 to do properly.  
When I rewatched Fenric a few weeks ago I noticed that there was  
absolutely no breathing space. Every scene was essential, and they were  
all crammed together. The "read the novel" problem was not the fault of  
those producing DW but of BBC twits like Michael Grade.
   Monty Pythons many jokes about BBC program planners come to mind.
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From: NG.LAY@forsythe.stanford.edu (Laurie Yadon)
Subject: Re: looking for reviews or info: independently-produced videos
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:26:50 GMT

In article <Brs5Hn.KBt@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
teg@peabody.iusb.indiana.edu (Tim Gurbick) writes:
>
> ....I'm looking for information on other video efforts.  What
> prompted this was the fact that I'd found the advertisement for
> "More than a Messiah" from the British Colin Baker group which was
> posted within the last month or so while I was cleaning-out my
> list of things to take-care of.  Alas, I didn't have time to throw
> the American representative $20 before the deadline, but I did
> suspect I'd read something about fan-produced Dr.Who or Blake's 7
> episodes ages ago.  The Baker group did one last year also.
>
> If any on you have any information about these, I encourage you
> to post it, as I think the interested audience must surely extend
> beyond myself.

The videos "Summoned by Shadows" and "More Than a Messiah" were
produced by the BBC Film Club, a sort of social club for BBC
employees which I believe is allowed to use BBC equipment for
its projects.  It isn't a "British Colin Baker group," their
relationship with Colin essentially being limited to their having
chosen to hire him to star in their two videos (along with Nicola
Bryant and also, in the second video, Sophie Aldred).

I run Colin's *AMERICAN* fan club, and am the person you mentioned
who recently organized a one-time bulk order for NTSC copies of
"More Than a Messiah" for my club members.  I did the same thing
last fall when "Summoned by Shadows" became available; however, this
time I also extended the offer to rec.arts.drwho readers since it
looks as if it may be some time before the video becomes available
in the States via any other source.  (FYI, those of you who ordered
"More Than a Messiah" through me should have received your copies by
now -- and isn't it terrific?!  I don't have time to write a review
of it, but perhaps someone else could do so and post it.)  Colin
also has a British fan club, but that group's only involvement with
"More Than a Messiah" was to provide its members with information
on how to mail-order PAL copies.

FYI, the guiding force behind the aforementioned videos -- director
Bill Baggs -- as of a couple of weeks ago is now living and working
in the Los Angeles area.  He has had plans in the works to produce
at least two more videos; however, he's not sure yet how his recent
move to the States may affect those plans.  I'll post any relevant
information I receive on that subject.

Also, there are plans for an article on Bill to be published in
STARLOG around the first of the year.  (They've assigned a friend
of mine to write it for them.)  I suspect that after that article
comes out the demand for the BBC Film Club videos will increase,
and Bill will simply *have* to finally make arrangements for the
videos to be sold over here on an ongoing basis!

Laurie Yadon
Coordinator/Editor
The Baker Connection
(Colin's official American fan club since 1987)