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From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: Re: health clubs
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:18:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.101223.25773@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
>
>Here are the facilites: 2 kinds of bike, stairmasters, rowing 
>machine, treadmills, free weights, weight machines (Cybex),
>lap pool, jacuzzi, sauna and steamroom (all facilites are
>cooed, except the locker rooms, of course!).
>married memberships cost $415 for 3 months and $1250 for a
>year. 

That is pretty expensive, all right! That is about $3 per day! Assuming
you go every 2 or 3 days, it's really $6 - 9 per visit.

For that kind of price, do they give classes? Yoga? Aerobic workouts?
The club I belonged to had a belly dance instructor, even! If you find
group activities help you, that might be an important part of the club.

Also, beware! Many health clubs go out of business. It's good that you saw
only a few people working out (the worst part of clubs is having to
wait for your machine), but that could also mean they are under-enrolled.
In my experience, health club people are worse than car salesman or any other
high-pressure sales you care to mention. Don't go into the room with them
alone unless you have very high resistance! And try not to pay all the money
up front. Pay a little each month! That way, if they do go under, you are
not out a big chunk of cash!

That said, I think clubs are great for some people. They do NOT exercise unless
they have some organized, separate space devoted just to exercise. If that
describes you, if you have rusting exercise equipment mouldering in your
attic, then it would be worth any price! This is your health, after all. By all
means try the free 3 days and see how you like it!

As for me, I just stick with my aerobic videotapes at home. I am the opposite --
if I have to leave the house to exercise, forget it! Driving to the club seems
like such a waste of time. Also, tapes are cheaper!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:26:48 EST
From: Sonja Kueppers <SEK@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Calorie Bargains at Wendy's

I've been eating out at Wendy's a lot recently, and I thought I'd
share some of my findings about their food.

Here are some calorie and fat counts for my favorite foods there:

Chili (large):  290 calories, 9 g fat
Grilled Chicken Sandwich:  290 calories, 7 g fat
Grilled Chicken Salad: 200 calories, 8 g fat
      (comes with breadstick, 130 calories, 3 g fat)
      (reduced calorie italian dressing, 1 packet, 100 calories, 8 g fat.)

The taco salad can also be made into "diet food" by omitting the chips
and cheese, making it about 250 calories with about 6g fat.

-Sonja
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From: janet@cs.UAlberta.CA (Janet Service)
Subject: Re: health clubs
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:20:43 GMT

> In article <1992Nov17.101223.25773@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
> 
> As for me, I just stick with my aerobic videotapes at home. I am the opposite --
>  I agree.  Wondering what videotapes you use at home.  I have a couple I do
> 3-4 times a week and would like to get a new one but can't decide by reading
> the boxes which tapes are the best.  Since I'm over 40, I need one that is
> good but not terribly damaging to your body.  Can you (or others out there in
> "netland") recommend a good one?  I saw one by Marilu Henner that looked pretty
> good, has anyone done that one?

I try to go to the spa to work out 3 times a week, but if I
can't for any reason I work out at home. I tape Kathy Smith on TV
at the weekends, she does the low impact aerobic workout that I 
prefer.  This way I get a variation, and don't get bored with the
same routine.

I also invested in a York 2000 and excercise bike (both second
hand and in excellent condition). These encouraged both my husband
and teenage son to workout too.

Just a couple of ideas for you.

Janet




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From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: body image
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:41:18 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <BxtKAL.6C6@dale.cts.com> npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
>>For some odd reason we can seem to edit our image in mirrors.

>Pictures are brutal.  I am much heavier than I perceive myself to be,
>and it's particularly depressing to see some recent pictures, because
>all that is obvious to me is how much further I have to go, rather
>than how much progress (- 50 lbs.) I've made already.  You can't see
>the clothes size shrinkage, and the added belt notches aren't visible
>in the snapshot.

If you want REALLY brutal, try watching yourself on videotape.

I visited my relatives this spring, and my Dad was videotaping
my children. It was really an eye-opener to see myself on tape.

It did inpire me to get off my butt and exercising.

-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu
From: jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: I need HELP!!! (bingeing)
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:34:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <ulrike.721993508@gmd.de> ulrike@gmd.de (Ulrike Bauer) writes:
>...sometimes I plan binges, so I go and buy a lot of food to eat it 
>at home and on the way home. Afterwards I vomit very often, as I'm very
>afraid to get very huge. And I have put on weight 29 lbs. during the last 
>3 years ( but since last year my weight is stable (with vomitting)). 
>I weight 165 lbs. and I am 5'8'' tall. That is not so much, but I want to 
>loose about 33 to 38 lbs. If I put myself on a diet, it will work longest 
>for 3 to 5 days, and then I start binging again. 

Get an opinion from a professional.  MY opinion is that you should
focus on resolving your abuse of food before attempting a diet.  Don't
view eating as a binary state activity: either a diet or a binge.  Give
yourself some slack and accept that eating is a part of life and once
you feel that you have put the binging behaviors behind you THEN 
consider going on a diet.  Too many people are seesawing between
the kinds of behaviors that you describe and trying to subsist on
lettuce and rice cakes.  

Get a copy of _Food and Nutrition_ by Jane Brody and read it.  Someone
who's 5'8" and 165 lbs is not clinically obese and probably shouldn't
be trying to "diet" in the first place.  (IMHO).

One thing at a time.  Progress not perfection.    
-- 
John Lundberg
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From: jfrawley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Judy Frawley)
Subject: Re: Snack foods
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 11:21:51 EST

In article <97282@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>In article <BxB4Aw.5oB@dale.cts.com> npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
>>I'm a big fan of the baked tortilla chips you can find now.  I served them
>>along with some fat-free bean dip at a part recently and you should've
>>heard my guests exclaiming over it!  
>
>
>Anybody know if these chips have made it as far east as Philadelphia?
>
>Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

Lauren,

I have found Guiltless Gourmet brand baked tortilla chips in a 
local health food store (it's a big one).  However, I have also
seen them in a *few* grocery stores.  That's the only tortilla
chips brand I have tried, but I have also tried other types of fat-free
snacks, but I can't recall the brand names (Barbara's?). I can
also get the GG bean dips, which are good, but expensive; I'd
rather make my own.

Judy Frawley

P.S.  I live in Syracuse, NY. (Not exactly a mecca of low-fat eating:-))
Organization: Student Employment Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

Much of that story sounds familiar.  Map the experience to a single man
and change the weight to 393, and that was me two years ago.

the solution for me was to find a fasting group that offered good
education.  It was gawd-awful expensive, not covered by my medical
insurance (and it's crisis-oriented/puritan based mindset), though
I got one hell of a tax deduction.

This was my first formal program.  I tried losing weight informally
several times, ranging from quietly dieting, to announcing it to my
co-workers (only to be embarrassed when I fell off the wagon), and
similar approaches.  The best I ever lost was 35 pounds, and that 
lasted only a short time.  Most of the time, a diet was good for
5 pounds of weight loss, and 10 pounds of gain.

This program has helped me a lot.  I'm much more healthy, my heart
seems to be the envy of the doctors, and a lot of weight/stress related
problems (I think all the *weight* related ones went; lingering
psychological residue is another story, and Stress Shall Always be
With Me.)  It takes a lot of effort to keep that weight off, and I'm
somewhat of an exception; most people don't keep the weight off so
well as I've been able to.

For me, the first thing was deciding to do something serious about
my weight.  The second thing was deciding to get some professional
help.  Your milage *will* vary, but you might want to talk the
situation over with a doctor you trust.

Hang in there; things can get a lot better!

Pete Brooks
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From: tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann 6412947)
Subject: Re: Comments on Nonfat Miracle Whip
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota. [The Little U]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:56:25 GMT

In article <BxzBL3.H98@dale.cts.com> npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:

>Has anyone successfully come up with a nice crust
>that isn't fatful?
>
I have used a bit of pudding (made) with the graham crackers instead of the 
butter or margarine.  It work's pretty well.  I couldn't tell you how much
pudding - I just take a little and mix it up and keep doing it until it looks
right.  (And I generally use chocolate pudding then use the rest to fill the
crust).  As long as you use skim milk to make the pudding it works out well.
I do not though add as much milk as the pudding package says to - to keep it
thicker.

That's all!!
.
Toni
From: dianeg@bcm.tmc.edu (Diane Ellen Griffiths)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: The trauma of buying clothes
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:34:57 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu
Summary: Clothes buying

In article <1e4911INNmsq@agate.berkeley.edu>, rhart@haas.berkeley.edu (Richard Hart) writes:
> 
> It's so true! The one thing that can wreck my body image the
> worst is seeing my chubby back in those darn 3-way mirrors!
> Especially if I'm wearing a bra! (Sorry guys, I hope no
> one is blushing. But the gals probably know what I mean.)
> Ack! It's the one thing I rarely see, so don't worry about.

 I know what you mean about this one and after I lost a lot of weight
those chubby lines are not there anymore!!!!

> 
> Of course you CAN sew your own clothes. If you have the time
> and ability. This is also a good idea if you are "unusually"
> shaped (that is, anything but that one shape that mfrs have
> decided on! They sure didn't consult ME about it, either!)
> For example, I have big tits even when I'm thin. I'm sort of
> a size 16 on top, size 10 at the waist (when thin, I mean --
> now it's more like size 16 all over, and God knows what on top.
> I only buy knits now!) Anyhow, sewing it yourself means you can
> get patterns of different sizes and sort of smoosh them together
> with tape to get a "real" pattern for YOU

I do sew a lot of my clothes for the same reason you mentioned above. I
can;t really buy any dresses in the stores cause I am a size 16 top and a
size 10 pants now. So any of the dresses I own I have made myself.
I am glad I know how to sew fairly well cause it is sure hard to buy a
formal dress this way! In addition I have bought a few dresses before and
altered the waist to make it fit better but that is a real pain to do!!

Diane


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From: sasart@hornet.unx.sas.com (Annette Tharpe)
Subject: Low-fat cheesecake (Was Re: Comments on Nonfat Miracle Whip)
Originator: sasart@hornet.unx.sas.com
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:34:43 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <9983@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.161917.13736@cs.cornell.edu> lmc@cs.cornell.edu (Linda Marie Competillo) writes:
>>This inspires an idea that I haven't tried, but I make a very high-fat Italian
>>cheesecake with angel food cake: you pack the inside of a bowl with angel 
>>food cake and then layer it with layers of slices of AF cake and a mixture
>>of ricotta cheese, heavy cream and 10x sugar, etc. Then you refigerate it for
>>at least 12 hours and invert the bowl onto a plate and frost the whole thing
>>with whipped cream. I won't mention the shaved chocolate that goes over all.
>
>I'd never get through the 12 hours were such an object lurking in my
>refrigerator.  I think I gained weight reading about it.  Actually, I
>enjoy watching cooking shows and have told myself that
>when I make a bit more progress that I'm going to sign up for some
>classes.  The idea is to learn to enjoy food and to make the most of
>occasions when one indulges.  YES to good eating, NO to McDonalds and
>all the rest of them.  But I suspect that any cheescake I ever consume
>will be purchased by the slice or eaten in a restaurant.  A whole cheescake
>would last longer on the surface of the sun than in my refrigerator...

When I wanted to try out the recipes in my cheesecake cookbook, I began 
baking them for my coworkers.  That way, I get to try one slice to see
what it tastes like.  The coworkers don't complain either;-)

On a related note, a recent issue of Healthy Eating (I think that't the name
of it), had an excellent low fat cheesecake recipe.  The basis for the recipe
is a package of low-fat cream cheese, non-fat yogurt cheese and nonfat cottage
cheese.   They tried making it without the low-fat cream cheese but it didn't 
quite have the right texture.  This was a makeover for traditional cheesecake; 
the fat content was reduced from >30 grams per 1/16 slice to 6 grams.  Not 
bad.  I'll try to remember and bring the magazine in and post the recipe for 
the cheesecake lovers out there.  I'm going to use this recipe as a base for 
experimentation with different flavors.

-- 
  /\        Annette R. Tharpe, QA Analyst
 /__\_____  SAS Institute Inc.
/    \ |    SAS Campus Dr., Cary, NC  27513
       |    sasart@unx.sas.com
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: I need HELP!!! (bingeing)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:48:37 GMT

In article <63620075@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
>You may want to do some thinking about your (food) environment.  My
>own experiences show that if I run out of the 'good' food (fruits and
>vegies for me), when I get hungry, the peanut butter and jelly
>sandwich consumption (the equivalent of junk food for me, nowadays)
>goes up.  You might want to consider getting a stash of fruit to
>keep in a dorm 'fridge, like a few apples and such.  The idea is
>to divert the junk food impulses into something a bit less nasty....

Exactly so.  I don't keep peanut butter (or any other binge-type food)
in the house.  If I did, I'd be wearing it on my gut.  I also find that
my staples, like skim milk, not-fat yogurt, plain bagels, corn flakes
and fresh fruits don't qualify as "comfort food", even if they're
completely fine to eat during the day.  At least, I'm not inclined to
overindulge on them.  I find that my food "cravings" have a lot to do
with what's in the house.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:44:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Help! What's Happen?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

Re: various questions:

For me, the biggest weight variation is due to the varying amounts of
food that I eat.  If it's a high calorie day, and/or if it's a lot of
vegies, I'll weigh a touch more till it passes on through.  OTOH, if
I've had a low-bulk day, I'll weigh a bit less.

I average my weight over a week.  My activity patterns tend to be
cyclic, generally with heavy amounts on the weekend, and not-quite-so-
heavy on the weekdays.  Vegie/carbo balances tend to be cyclic, too.

So long as I'm not deliberately (or unconsciously) changing my weight,
they will be pretty steady from week to week.  With steady PA/eating habits,
it ranges +-2 pounds, provided I keep all the rest the same; time of
day, clothing, etc.

On the metabolism crunch, I think it takes a while.  Judging by crash
diet slowdowns, it looks like it takes a few weeks to show.  Not eating
for one day might trigger low blood sugar (known as the 'bonk' in
bicycling circles) if you combine not eating with heavy activity
and dehydration, but that's another problem altogether.

Pete Brooks
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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: The word FAT
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:17:46 GMT

jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:

>Does anyone here object to the word FAT, used to describe an overweight
>person?

>I remember in the past, options such as CHUBBY, PLUMP, etc. were used in a
>vain attempt (usually by thin people) to be less offensive. Didn't work,
>in my opinion.

>More recently, I've seen ZAFTIG and RUBENESQUE, which are at least more
>poetic than the others.

>Comments?

I think your first line is best when you use the word 'overweight'.  The
word FAT has many, many negative connections to it.  I usually just refer
to someone carrying extra weight caused by too much fatty tissue as just
overweight.

BTW, Rubenesque is a nice word but is a reference to the type of women
Rubens painted:  women with large bustlines, wide hips and a little
more slender waist (as compared to the hips).  

allen
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From: gund@msc2.msc.cornell.edu (Linda "the goose" Gunderson)
Subject: Comments on Nonfat Miracle Whip
Reply-To: gund@msc2.msc.cornell.edu (Linda "the goose" Gunderson)
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 20:54:17 -0500

	Just a remark on the baking I have done using
nonfat miracle whip instead of oil; the texture of the
goodies was different than that of goodies made with oil.
I liked it just fine, but you may not.
	The one thing I tried that came out really weird
was a pie crust; the part that was in contact with the
quiche was fine, but the part sticking out beyond was as
hard as any food item I've ever seen.  I almost called
DuPont.  So be warned; perhaps just a tablespoon of oil
would make it turn out all right.
Linda.
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Nonfat Eating; Lunch
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:35:11 GMT
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Here's a good non-fat lunch that I enjoy.  I call it the "Spa Burrito" 
because I stole the idea from a restaurant that bills itself as "Spa Cuisine".

Mix and heat the following:

You can just mix 'em up and stick 'em in the micro for a couple of minutes.

1 can rinsed,drained black beans
1/2 onion, chopped
handful fresh cilantro, chopped
2-4 oz. diced green chilies (canned is fine)
1 cup of cooked brown rice, or other grain.



Other Ingredients: 

Fresh salsa
Non-fat sour cream
Sprinkling of cheese (optional) (a little parmesean is tasty, or some 
	non-fat cheese)
Burrito sized flour tortillas
Shredded lettuce (optional)

Fill the tortilla with the heated ingredients and top with fresh salsa, 
non-fat sour cream and cheese.  

If you want to take this to work, put the salsa and sour cream in 
little containers and add it in later.  Otherwise the burrito will
get soggy.

This makes a wonderfully filling meal.  I'd guess about 3-4 grams
of fat in the cheese and tortilla.  
--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: When Food Is Love
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:05:57 GMT

In article <9965@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.232742.11565@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>This "Geneen Roth" stuff seems to be particularly attractive to women,
>>for whatever reason, I don't know why.  I haven't come across a man who
>>is inclined to push it.  But it's mostly women who seem to be
>>brainwashed into thinking that there has to be some emotional basis to
>>their overeating and obesity and that "being nurturing to yourself"
>>somehow breaks this cycle.  

While I don't believe that all overeating has "some emotional basis" to it, I
can't believe that Steve thinks the converse--that no overeating does.
As I said when I watched Oprah, I'm concerned that this "food is love"
may get to be cliche.  On the other hand, I have lived this struggle for
20+ years.  It just isn't about overeating 'cause food tastes good.

>But if I told myself that
>I could eat whatever I wanted, as Roth seems to be suggesting,
>then I'm sure I'd fail.  Last night, for instance, I was fairly
>hungry yet my food diary said that I had consumed 1400 calories
>for the day, a bit over my target of 1200.  Instead of eating I
>went for a drive and bought a magazine.  This morning I had breakfast
>and I don't feel particulary hungry at the moment--I don't think
>there's some reservoir of unfilled hunger that accumulates until
>the dam of your self-control breaks.  Hunger is just a feeling
>and it passes.  

Most compulsive overeaters wouldn't know hunger if it bit them on the
butt.  They eat too much and far too often to get hungry.  However, it
is possible that diet-induced hunger is just one in a series of things
that can induce a binge.

My own personal philosophy is much along the lines John suggests above.
I try and eat three square meals a day, I don't eat sugar, and I have
learned to tolerate hunger.  Like Steve and John (but for different
reasons), I'm not confident that I could eat what I wanted, when I wanted.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: hilp@hfglobe.intel.com (Robin Rosenbaum)
Subject: Re: Limiting exercise (Really lowfat recipes)
Organization: Intel Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:04:29 GMT

In article <BxxKM4.CJr@wrs.com>, jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov18.144123.12444@watson.ibm.com> amygk@watson.ibm.com (Amy) writes:
|> 
|> >1/4 cup walnuts                    7.7g   (chop them, they'll go further)
|> >1 egg                              5.6g
|> >1/3 cup skim milk                  0.5g
|> >3 Tbsp unsweetened apple sauce   < 0.1g
|> >
|> >total for part of recipe          13.9g
|> 
|> (Look, up in the air! It's a bird...a plane... it's Fat Fanatic!)
|> 
|> You could cut those fat grams just about in half by using just the egg WHITE!

Question for Fat Fanatic:  Does one egg white replace one egg, or do you need
two egg whites to replace one egg white and one egg yolk?

Robin (not an intuitive cook) Hilp
rosenrob@ccm.hf.intel.com