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From: mike@struad.cts.com (Michael Cianflone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  A4000/EC030 confirmed
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:51:12 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Structured Applications & Designs, Inc. R&D Institute.

In article <torrie.728090456@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
>tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>
>>In article <C1FGos.4uo@unccsun.uncc.edu> msmcknig@unccsun.uncc.edu
>>(Michael S McKnight) writes:
>
>>With an entry-level system like the A1200, every item is scrutinized in terms
>>of consumer pricing and manufacturing costs, so using a EC020 chip is a
>>reasonable compromise. As for the A4000, the only currently available model
>>makes use of a full 68040, despite any misconceptions to the contrary.
>>The decision to market an EC030 version is likely a measure to satisfy those
>>that are midway between the A1200 and A4000 in their product demands. An
>>additional 68030 version is slated to follow.
>
>  And cynics would say that this was an example of Commodore "crippling"
>their machines, and how horrible the world was where "marketing means
>more than architecture and design".
>
>  Or would they?
>
>-- 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Evan Torrie.  Stanford University, Class of 199?       torrie@cs.stanford.edu 


  They would if Commodore made it with a 16 bit data bus instead of a 32 bit
data bus. Using an EC version of a chip does not slow down a computer.
In fact in the case of the 1200 it actually speeds it up (even though the 
only thing different about the 68EC020 is that it has a 24 bit address
but instead of 32 bit), the 1200 without external MMU is actually faster
than the Amiga 2000/020 was because it has 1 less wait state each cycle.
  Anyway, using a 68EC030 does not slow down the machine tremendously like
having a 16 bit data bus instead of 32. In fact it doesn't slow down the
machine at all. So what is being crippled?
  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:56:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.200154.12256@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>Not bad at all. Is the NOK price MSRP or retail?

MRSP. My local dealer said 13000,-. I'd say that is ~$1350 retail for you.

>Good stuff.

Way to go. Now, they only need to get out the non-EC that I want myself.
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#Disclaimer: This university and me does not agree.
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr. Peter Kittel, Commodore Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:25:33 GMT
Reply-To: cbmehq!cbmger!peterk@cbmvax.commodore.com
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1993Jan27.170654.16962@fcom.cc.utah.edu> carl@victoria.utah.edu (Carl W Howard) writes:
>
>Ask yourself:
>
>What do you know about the qualitative and quantitative effects of ionizing
>radiation? From what sources? (ie. scientific vs. journalistic) If scientific,
>then how reputable?

Some courses at uni. Scientific American (or german versions of it and
similar magazines)

>While it is true and obvious that high-level radiation is harmful, you are
>probably unaware that data shows that low-level (above background) radiation
>is actually beneficial to us. 

Uh! Please do not state this as a plain fact. Yes, there are some serious
people saying this. And there are other serious people strongly denying it.
And guess what, each have their statistics at hand to back their view.
So it's a hot debate here, no final solution yet settled.

From what ionizing radiation does in your body, I can't really imgine why
it should be positive, but see below. First, such a radiation cracks
molecules or at least activates them by taking electrons away and ionize
these molecules (as the name says). Thus these molecules gain much chemical
activity, in a way that in many cases is not normal. So at least you get
some non-standard chemical reactions in your cell. With a certain
probability this can lead to dangerous reactions. The probability is not
high, but also not zero. In a bad case, such radiation damages your genes
and can cause cancer and other very harmful changes in your body.

So these chemical activities happen anyway. Now I *am* able to imagine
a theoretical way how this can in the end turn out positive for you:
Perhaps a certain, low amount of damage trains the repair mechanisms
that exist in your cells, and thus keeps them awake. These mechanisms
are also very powerful and can fix nearly all damages caused by some
external activity. And I can imagine that these mechanisms can degrade
over time when not exercised. But this is pure speculation (by me).

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Slashes, dots, and quotes (was Re: Move)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:56:42 GMT



[Lots of discussion about "..", ".", "\", "/", etc. deleted]

     Of course, the Amiga also has the handy ":" (two fewer keystrokes
than "cd\" :-) to jump back to the root.


     Another thing that annoys me about MS-DOS & OS/2 is that when I'm at
C:\ and type "CD D:\BLAHBLAH", I still have to go to D: to get to the
directory.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:09:34 GMT
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Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan25.064052.3412@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Matt Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
: : Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: : : Obviously, people do think it exists.  Obviously, enough people think
: : : that it exists that a great majority of society knows what it is, and
: : : has formed some kind of an opinion on it.
: : Can you say vocal (liberal) minority?
: That depends.  I'm not sure you know what you said.  Do you consider
: yourself to be a vocal liberalist, in the minority?
: For or against, more than just the liberal minority have an opinion on
: whether they believe global warming exist or not.  A good deal of the
: populace holds SOME kind of opinion.
: So, no, I disagree.  Unless, like _YOU_ said, you're considering yourself to
: be in that vocal, liberal minority, I would say you're wrong, that many more
: than some are willing to admit feel one way or the other about global
: warming.

I'm saying that your typical eco-freak activist protestor type is probably
going to be a liberal, for the simple fact that eco-freak type people want
their _________ (insert cause here) protected, and what could protect it better
than big gov't to create protective legislation?

--
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There is also the fact that one generally wants to MAKE MONEY off products one
develops, not give them away to twerpy prepubescent drips who wouldn't pay for
software if it came out of the monitor and blew them. - Marc Wandschneider
From: xero@cislabs.pitt.edu (George J. Karabin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:38:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh [CIS]

In article <1993Jan20.184722.11364@ultb.isc.rit.edu> eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story) writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.164227.24447@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>Michael Cianflone (mike@struad.cts.com) wrote:
>>:
>>: >"SoftPC with Windows.  A new $499 version, for which a 68040-based Mac
>>: >is recommended, will come with MS-DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1 preinstalled.
>>: >  The program adds support for VGA graphics, along with EGA and CGA, and it
>>: >is the first in the Insignia line to emulate the 80286 processor's protected
>>: >mode and extended memory, a feature required for use of Windows 3.1 and
>>: >many recent MS-DOS applications."
>>:
>>Forgive me if I don't believe it just yet.  Windows 3.1 does not make full
>>use of Protected Mode, you know.  Also suspicious is the fact that this
>>product comes with its own version of Windows 3.1?  Can you say "modified"?

I'd be willing to guess that, modified or not, the main reason Windows was
bundled with this package is that Mac users like GUI's. Not shells.
I'll leave the technical question of whether or not it would need to be
modified to those who know more about PC's than I.



-- 
Josh Karabin					Email: xero+@.pitt.edu
CIS Lab Operator Device				University of Pittsburgh

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: eb139@cs.city.ac.uk (MAHMOOD Z)
Subject: Re: Amiga A1200.....
Organization: City University
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:02:04 GMT

In <1993Jan20.192050.3357@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:

>I see that you are in the UK. Would the 'high street computer store'
>happen to be Dixons? Don't you know Dixons is paid by B*ll G*tes to 
>discredit Commodore?

>--
>  ________  Lionel Tun, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk  ________
> / /_  __/\       Computer Vision Group      /\ \__  _\
>/___/_/_/\/ City University, London EC1V 0HB \ \___\_\_\
>\___\_\_\/        071-477 8000 ext 3889       \/___/_/_/

Yup it was dixons....it was just his sales pitch i think..but it did sort of
give me a shock when he said that to me at the time.
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:18:01 GMT
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Dr Peter Kittel Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
: >
: >Oh my.  I don't think I'd ever want to be a guest at your house.  
:
: You are rude and impolite. Did anybody tell you this already?
:

Come on, Peter.  I've just been told that if I intend to be on this
newsgroup, and I'm not an Amiga user, I should prepare to be bashed
and insulted.  And you're telling me that *I* am rude?

:
: Yet it becomes annpying when certain people use .advocacy to only bash
: other systems. And the annoying maxes out when these certain persons turn
: out to be not really in the know about the issues they choose to talk about
: so loudly...
:

That *is* annoying, isn't it?

:
: >If you don't like what someone is saying here, prove them wrong, 
:
: Jerry, exactly this was done to you millions of times, but you still
: insist on your dumb bashing.
:

I don't bash.  I fire back if someone flames me, that's all.  If you don't
want to hear from me after you insult me (or lie about what I said), put
me in your killfile.

:
: Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
:
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| Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993
Date: 22 Jan 93  01:46:02

> Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
> From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
> Message-ID: <1993Jan21.164542.28799@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>
> Skip Sauls (skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu) wrote:
> : >
> : >You mean '\'?  as in C:\Games\Falcon3 and C:\Games\StuntIsl ?
> : >
> : >Does it matter, Skip?
> :
> : Yes.  If I didn't use anything but Clones, it might not be.  But I use
> : Amigas and various UNIX boxes on a daily basis and the Clones are the
> : only ones that do things backwards.
>
> Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
> and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?  Who's doing things backwards here?

Because  CD  /  is  ever so slightly faster to type.  Having to type \'s is
more  difficult  than /'s.  And the "cd .." thing is easy to fix, by simply
adding  a  different  cd  command -- trying to "fix" the "\" thing would be
impossible since its so deeply rooted into the system.

Of  course  this  is all just nit-picking since there really isnt that much
difference.

> : Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
> :
> --
> +-------------------+----------------------------+--------------------------
> -+
> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages
> |
> | Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.
> |
> |    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses
> |
> +-------------------+----------------------------+--------------------------
> -+

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 --AKA Dances V2.0/Coyote/Critter/Magnet/Major--they know they  have to find-
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From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 24 Jan 93 02:43:43 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <1993Jan22.170429.4103@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Andy Finkel (andy@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
>Really?  And what about all the Amigoids calling the PC users "sheep",
>"lemmings", "clowns", etc.?  That's not bigoted or insulting?  Just reading
>this newsgroup is enough to drive any self-respecting non-Amiga user up the
>wall.

That's an excuse ?  Boy, if I were you, I'd really direct my anger against
the mean and cruel person who is forcing you to read this group.

>If you really were Mr. Information, you'd put every PC-bashing falsehood-
>posting know-nothing flame-throwing Amigoid through the same routine, but
>somehow, I doubt it -- your bias is just too strong.

I don't think that knowing a subject carries with it an obligation
to correct every misstatement.  

And, once again, this 'bias' accusation.  Hmm, apparently knowing about
more than one computer automatically makes you 'biased'.

Now, personally, I look at the individual as an individual, rather
than a member of a particular group.  I judge the individual
on his or her merits.  And I don't even make up insulting names
(aka Amigoid) because I outgrew that in 4th grade.

>: >Wrong.  I don't want to back up the claims that you ACCUSE me of making,
>: >but I'll gladly back up my own claims.
>:
>: Well, for instance, in the portion of the article you edited out, you said 
>: OS/2 cannot talk to the hardware directly.  I posted how OS/2 can talk to
>: the hardware.  I invited you to back up your claim.  Strange, no comment ?
>:
>
>I'm sick of it, that's all.  I told you time and time again, that I was
>talking about processes accessing devices by issuing port I/O instructions,
>not making calls to the OS.  You keep bringing up the direct disk volume
>access trick, which was deliberately put in to support fancy hard disk
>utilities.

Well, aside from the 'fancy' direct disk volume trick (which, if you think
is 'fancy' ...)

I have told you previously that an OS/2 application program containing
an IOPL segment can directly access the hardware I/O ports using
the 80x86 assembly IN and OUT instructions.

Which should not be subject to a debate;  its in most of the OS/2 
manuals, after all.  It can be verified just by looking it up.


>I used to care about what this net thought, before I found out that most
>of the time, it doesn't think at all.

And yet you still post quite a bit.

>| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |

		andy
-- 
andy finkel		andy@cbmvax.commodore.com

"This isn't right.  This isn't even wrong." - Wolfgang Pauli, on a
colleague's physics paper presented to him for review.

Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Amigan-whalloping Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:33:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.162606.19529@usl.edu>, das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

|> >I'd say it's more that we can't HELP knowing what goes on - I'm surrounded by
|> >PC users, all dying to show off the raytraced, 20 meg intro to the game they
|> >just pirated - one they'll delete right afterward and never even PLAY!
|> 
|> Oh come on, I've got some of the best PC games available, none pirated.
|> 
|> And the intro to Ultima Underworld isn't THAT big.  But still really
|> nifty.

I was talking about King's Quest VI, specifically...

|> >=======Amiuser============Frank R. Dana, Jr.============Doc Ami=======     
|> -- 
|> Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:15:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.062100.6805@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <C1DpK8.680@utstat.toronto.edu>, philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan24.183645.21702@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>> 
>> [ ]
>>>
>>>Well, IBM's PS/2 keyboards are really nice.  Too bad IBM doesn't make a 
>>>non-PS/2 version of them... ie,they only fit in PS/2s.
>> 
>> Lexmark, which makes them, will sell you a keyboard for a clone (i.e. a real
>> true keyboard). Phone them up.
>
>	We are not talking a spongy, sticky keyboard but a good quality one.
>	Which flavor is Lexmark?

I was talking about IBM PS/2 keyboards. I like their layout, made of good
plastic, and have a very satisfying click to them.  Also, the
keycaps are removable.  Yay.

>Fred Heitkamp, ** Not an organization **
-- 
Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu
From: mueller@cs.ubc.ca (Stephan Mueller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 20 Jan 1993 23:09:09 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <1993Jan21.053223.23394@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>So, for example, you can do 'rename Civilization ..' to move it back
>one subdirectory level?

Well, no.  Because AmigaDOS doesn't use .. to indicate parent
directory.  Instead, do

	rename Civilization /

>Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu

stephan("A weasel may never get sucked into a jet engine, but eagles soar");
From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: MAC, PC or Amiga?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:30:29 GMT

In article <gel212.727641426@rigaud> gel212@gel.ulaval.ca (gif19268 Systemes numeriques avances) writes:
>
>
>    Hi everybody! Help me with this difficult (but classical) decision:
>
>    MAC, PC or keep my Amiga?

[Detailed description of the pro's and con's of each system, resume of computers owned (includes both PC's and Amiga's ]
>
>    Although I never owned a MAC worked with the MAC and with the
>    NEXT, APOLLO and SUN computers quite a while. So I know what I'm
>    talking about when I compare computers...

I don't want to be rude, but quite frankly why are you asking the people on the
net. It's your money. As you've noted, you've either owned or tried every 
computer involved. You yourself presumably know what you want out of a system,
or might want. I really think the best person to make the decision is you.
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu