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From: curtis@cs.arizona.edu (Curtis E. Dyreson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The Human-like Mascot Theory and Super Bowls
Keywords: game theory
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:21:12 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

While the ignorant masses post meaningless drivel about NFC domination, 
an enlightened few discern the true mark of domination in the NFL:
a human-like mascot.  I'll present the raw, hard data in a moment, 
but just keep in mind that, unlike the purely on-paper categorization of 
NFC or AFC, team mascots play an important, seemingly all-important,
role in the on-field action, vividly displayed on the helmets of most
NFL teams, and always carried in the heart of every NFL player.  Consider for 
the nonce, the contrast between the ferocious, fear-inducing Raider, 
and the weak, ineffectual Charger lightning bolt.  The result, 3 SB 
victories for the Raiders, none for Chargers.  Now for the statistical data. 

Total NFL Teams: 28
  Teams with Human-like(*) mascots: 12
  Teams with nonHuman-like mascots: 16

Super Bowls: 26
  Winning Team has Human-like mascot: 21 (Packers, Giants, 49ers, Redskins,
                                          Raiders, Chiefs, Steelers, Cowboys) 
  Winning Team has nonHuman-like mascot: 5 (Bears, Dolphins, Colts, Jets)

Note that human-like mascot teams have won 17 of the last 18 SuperBowls.
I'd be scared too if I were a Bills fan.

Curtis Dyreson

(*) The Bills and Browns are interesting ambiguous cases, named as they
are, after real individuals.  In neither case however, is the mascot the
individual (I don't see a Paul Brown look-alike cheering on the Brownies,
at least I don't think that thing with the big helmet on its head is 
meant to represent Paul Brown, not that it really matters as far as 
Super Bowls are concerned), rather the Browns have a color mascot, and 
the Bills a Buffalo-like mascot.  And what exactly is an Oiler?  Yet 
another team doomed by ambiguity.  For those of you who are really
contentious sorts, even if I grant human-like mascot status to 
these three teams, this only changes the overall numbers to 15-13
and doesn't affect the Super Bowl stats. 
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From: wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall)
Subject: Re: SB predictions--Dallas by double digits
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:54:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.210832.18436@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> chm8v@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (chris mann) writes:
>un036337@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>
>   [comparison of Carwell Gardner to Daryl Johnston deleted]

Comparing a Dallas backfield of Smith and Johnston to a Bills backfield of 
Thomas/Davis and Gardner is like comparing apples and oranges....  Johnston is
back there with Smith in their basic offensive set.... Da Bills use a single-
back offense, with Gardner seeing most of his playing time in short-yardage/
goal-line situations..... 

Besides, it's not going to be Thomas vs. Smith out there... it's going to be
Thomas vs. Dallas' defense and Smith vs. the Bills' defense.... and those of you 
writing off Buffalo... the game is played (rather than mailed in based on how 
the teams have performed during the past 20 weeks (time period)) for a reason...
just ask the Bills about the '90 Giants.... or ask the '68 Colts about the Jets...

this SB is a matchup between 2 very good football teams and will ride on whether 
Buffalo's defense can continue playing as well as they have since halftime of the 
Houston game....

and for those who label the Bills as losers, I have to agree with you ....
it sure does take a LOSER to go to 3 straight Super Bowls [note obvious sarcasm]


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From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Subject: Re: Mike Saxon punting poorly 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:01:11 GMT
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: BNR, Inc.
Keywords: Super Bowl, Cowboys

In article <douthit.727732312@scofflaw>, douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit) writes:
|> gil@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com(Baldemar Gil) writes:
|> 
|> >Mike Saxon has been punting very poorly recently (short punts,
|> >no hang time).  Anybody know why?
|> 
|> I think it has something to do with the way his foot keeps hitting the ball :^)
|> 
|> Seriously, I noticed the same thing.  Luckily it hasn't mattered.
|> 
|> 			-Ron


    A few weeks ago, Saxon said he was letting the ball drop too far
before kicking it.  Its a timing thing, sorta like batter in bball.
Right now, Mike is kinda slumping...

-- 
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Lord, I'm just thinking about a certain female...      |  My opinions only
Roll me over and turn me around, let me keep spinning  |  
     til I hit the ground.                             |  Da Boyz are back!!
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From: mrn3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MATTHEW R. NARBY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas D vs. Buffalo O
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:53:13 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <C16I1E.3CA@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, rothe@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ted Rothe) wri
tes:
>hammond@grizzly.scd.ucar.edu (Steve Hammond) writes:
>
>
>>The Bills like to snap the ball quickly on offense.  They
>>feel that their best 11 can match up well against the opposing
>>best 11.  Defenses don't often get a chance to make a situational
>>substitution.
>
>>The Cowboys like to make situational substitutions.  The media
>>always talks about the way that they play 17 defensive players.
>
>>What kind of defensive set will the 'Boys employ against the
>>Bills if they cannot make substitutions on 3rd and long?  If
>>they are forced to keep the same 11 on the field for 4-7
>>straight plays, which players should stay?
>
>>    Steve H.
>
>When watching the AFC Champioinship game, the announcers said that the
>Buffalo offense tends to make opposing defenses stick with their nickle.
>From another angle, it has also been said that the Cowboys do their best
>to find excuses to play their nickle defense.  (They think that much of it.)
>So I think that therin lies your answer.  Barring any in-game adjustments,
Good. Then the Bills will just ram Thomas, Davis and Gardner down their thoats!


>Dallas will play it's nickle defense against the Bills hurry-up.
>
>
>--
>Ted Rothe                                            |Of course, no one agrees
>Manager CCSO Computer Site, Everitt Lab              |with what I say.  This
>rothe@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu                               |includes CCSO.
>
-- 
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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The Nail in the Coffin Part II
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:42:27 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Just when you thought it was safe to put away those "Ray Must Go" jersies,
Dan Reeves has been officially hired as the head coach of the New York
Giants.  This comes on the heels of the news that Bill Parcells has returned
to coaching as the new head coach of the New England Patriots.

Life sucks and then George Young comes along!!

satish nair
giants
From: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue (Bill ))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Trivia Answer #7
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:18:42 EST
Reply-To: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM
Organization: Deep In The Heart Of The South!


  Question: Who said: "Nowadays all kids think about is money. When I     
            was a kid all I thought about was eatin'."
                    
  Answer: William "Refrigerator" Perry

  bill

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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan )
Subject: Parcells to Patriots.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:20:30 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Parcells is the Patriot's new head coach.

S.H
From: mg5c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael D. Goettsche)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Where the Cowboy fans?
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:04:47 GMT
Organization: Freshman, IM - H&SS Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Ok, I put out a post a couple days ago asking for what you guys think
the score of the game will be, and so far, I've gotten 6 from Bills
fans, and only ONE from Cowboys fans.  Where are you, Cowboys fans? 
Send your predictions in!!!!

DA FLAV
From: jcichock@ep.ieee.org (J Cichocki)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Superbowl Supertrivia
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:57:14 GMT
Reply-To: jcichock@ep.ieee.org
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY

In article 19204@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu, mk0e@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MAHEENDRA BABURAO KASMALKAR) writes:
> Now a question about batch of '83 QBs. Some commentator mentioned that the '83
> QBs are 0-7 on SBs. I know that Elway is 0-3, Jim Kelly 0-2 and Marino 0-1.
> But that makes it only 0-6. Who got the 7th loss?

Wasn't it Boomer Esiason for Cincinnati? SB XXIII? Only other choices are Wash. in SB XVIII or the Patriots in SB XX.

Jeff
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Hmmm...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:57:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.173921.30477@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>FACT: something presented as OBJECTIVELY real
>>
>>In other words, people observing and experiencing this truth is NOT
>>objectively real.
>
>What the hell are you saying???  That the people who believe it are not
>real????   
Of course not. I believe you are only a child, based on your behavior
(and unfortunately, so do some other people whenever they see our 
exchanges on r.s.*)

Is that real? 

If it is, should your wife be sued for child molestation?

>I "quitted"???  Again, lay low on the drugs Ed, it is affecting your..
>um... Speech:-)  Yes, after a month of arguments, and with the argument no
>longer going anywhere, I decided that unless you had anything new to say
>there was no reason to continue.  
That's quitting, because you have been saying old things too. If we say
something new on day 2 and rehash them for 28 days, then at the end
of the 30th day, we are still arguing the point of day 2. No reason to 
continue? then you wimp out on your argument of day 2. 

>And, as you never had anything new to say, there was no reason to continue.  
It's as if you have some new tiebreaking scheme to say besides head-to-head.

>I don't subscribe to your "last one left wins all arguments" theory, 
But that's your own words, as in your email to me on 11/24, titled "Hey
Ed ...."

  Funny that I saw 3 different people post up comments from you from other
  groups, yet didn't see you respond to it.   Blew that argument out of the 
  water and you just disappeared again.  

You believe that "no response" == getting the argument blown out of the
water. I didn't say it.

So at least you get your arguments blown out of the water in all the
past flame wars, whether we had any new things to say or not.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: smtday@smtstock.EBay.Sun.COM (Bhupinder Dev)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: THE PREDICTION
Date: 27 Jan 1993 04:00:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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From: meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Meskes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Date and time of ProBowl needed!
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:42:28 GMT
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik - RWTH Aachen
NNTP-Posting-Host: ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

Title says it all. No information in Germany. Thanks.

Michael
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Email: meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
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From: nbh@netcom.com (N.B. Hedd)
Subject: Re: NFC Championship Pop Quiz
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:10:01 GMT

felix@ocf.berkeley.edu (Felix Ling) writes:

>In article <0cZf03bRc9YC00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>>In article <105332@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>>>
>>>Hmm... don't recall any such statements when Joe himself lost the NFC
>>>Championship Game back in 1990?  Was it really Young's fault that Watters
>...
>>Ahem... I believe the 49ers were actually leading in that game until St. Joe 
>>was knocked out of the game were they not? 

>Yes by (omigosh!) one point.  After Joe got knocked out, Young completed a
>20 yard pass, then handed off to Roger Craig, who fumbled.  And yes, we ALL
>know that if Joe had handed off the ball, Craig would have scored a touchdown
>instead of fumbling.

If Joe had been in the game, he would have completed a pass, negating the
need to hand off in the first place.

Look, for those of you for whom this is real complicated, let me explain it
again: Joe Montana has won four superbowls. Young has won squat. Furthermore,
Young will CONTINUE to win squat. And if anybody cares to bet on that, just
let me know.
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From: markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills 23 Cowboys 20
Date: 20 Jan 93 10:08:22 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

In article <f#g33!l@rpi.edu> kinosr@rs6119.ecs.rpi.edu (Roy Kiyoshi Kinoshita) writes:
[ ... ]

>
>Buffalo does have a BETTER defense than previous years, and they have plenty
>of SB experience, but these just don't match up to the fact that Dallas has
>a better team.  The NFC has won most of the SB in the past 10 years and they're
>going to win it again.  The SF/Dallas game was definitely this years Super
>Bowl.
>
>Expect a blowout:  Dallas 34  Buffalo 6

Cowboys have #1 Defense. What rated offenses did they play? (Yeah I know they
beat San Fransisco).


WHY is Dallas a better TEAM? 
To say NFC has won it most in last 10 and so they will win this year is
absolutely ludicrous. Will we get, NFC won has won it every year for the
last 10 years (except for last years fluke)... next year?

Don't expect a blowout --- don't even think it! We wanna game worth
watching.
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From: mdq@unislc.uucp (Michael Quinn)
Subject: Re: Young: always the qb's interceptions?
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Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:32:14 GMT

I have read these articles about young throwing interceptions, and almost
everyone blames him for the interception and losing the game.  I think we
need to also out at the play of the Dallas D.  All ALL qb's make bad reads
(even ST JOE) and since I wasn't in Steve's place when Norton made the first
pick I'm not sure if he didn't see him or if Norton just made a great play.
Norton has said that he fake Young into thinking that he was going a
different direction.  Then when the ball was thrown he broke to the ball
and made the pick.  Great PLAY by Norton!!!!!!!!!!!!
This interceptions did not cost the 49ers any points but it did cost them
time on the clock and that is important.  Now the second pick I would put
alot of the blame on the 49ers "D".  Now I know alot of you are going to
ask how I could make a statement like that, well here I go.  The 49ers had
just closed the score to within 4 points, and if the "D" could just hold Dallas
once or limit them to only 3 point that would make the play calling alot
easier on the 49ers.  All they would need to do is score a TD to either win
or tie the game, now with the 49ers D not able to stop Dallas from scoreing
a TD and taking a 10 point.  Now everyone on the planet knows what the 49ers
are going to do when they get the ball back.  Dallas had SEVEN db's in the
game with most of them playing center field waitting for the ball to be throw
and then closing on the ball and trying to make the pick which GANT did.
Now we could say that Young should of have put more air under the ball so
that Rice could run it down, but there was Dallas db's waitting for Young
to do just that.
From: rhoads@riches.rutgers.edu (Glenn Rhoads)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Some More Trivia
Summary: answers
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:58:09 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Cc: rhoads

In article <105892@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
> 1. What RB has gained the more rushing yards in a Super Bowl (hint: it
>    ain't Roger Craig or John Riggins)?

     Timmy Smith


> 2. Which DB or safety has had the most INTs in a Super Bowl?

There have been several with two.  E.g. Herb Adderley, Jake Scott,
Barry Wilburn, Brad Edwards, and probably others.
I don't recall any DB with three.


> 3. What QB has had the most accurate SB game (hint: you KNEW I had to throw
>    this one in)?

     Phil Simms


> 4. Which WR has gained the most yards in receptions in a SB?

     Ricky Sanders


> 5. Which player(s) have played in the most Super Bowls (hint: it ain't
>    Joe Montana)?

There are surely some players who played in all five of Dallas' SBs
during the Tom Landry era.  Perhaps Cliff Harris and Charlie Waters
are two of them.


> 6. Who has the longest gain from scrimmage in a Super Bowl game (includes
>    punt returns, kickoff returns and interceptions returned for a score)?

     Fulton Walker -- 98 yard Kickoff return.


> 7. Which team has LOST the most AFC Championship games?  NFC Championship 
>    games?

   AFC -- Oakland Raiders(5)
   NFC -- Do you mean which teamS?  There are three teams with five
          NFC championship losses, the Dallas Cowboys, the San
          Francisco 49ers, and the Los Angelos Rams.

You may have misworded the question.  If you are counting the four NFL
championship games that occurred one week before the first four SBs,
then the answer is the Dallas Cowboys with seven.  Since these games
occurred before the NFL/AFL merger, they are technically NFL
championships not NFC championships and really shouldn't be counted
according to the wording of the question.  If you lump in the AFL
championships during these four years, then the AFL/AFC answer is
still the Oakland Raiders but with seven losses.  If you want the most
NFL championship losses, then the answer is the New York Giants with
eleven.


> 8. Who is the only QB to actually CATCH a pass in a Super Bowl?

   John Elway (covered by Charles Mann!)

-- Glenn Rhoads
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From: menchett@pyramid.unr.edu (Peter J Menchetti)
Subject: I need to get an article from months ago!
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:44:51 GMT
X-Posted-From: pyramid.cs.unr.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hey hey-
Is there a place where the articles from this group get archived?
I posted an article a few months ago PREDICTING the super bowl.
I'm trying to get a 'man who saw tomorrow' flick going for me!
Nostradamus Jr! Any help is much appreciated!

reply via email please.
menchett@cs.unr.edu
From: cll6574@zeus.tamu.edu (LARUE, CHARLES L.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: COWGIRLS
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:31 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan19.055405.14903@math.ucla.edu>, ashamam@oak.math.ucla.edu (Asher Shamam) writes...
>They suck dick.
So does your mother.

>They are all fags like Hamish.
As is your father.
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Some More Trivia
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:48:01 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: .

(Satish Nair) writes:
>
>Here's some more Super Bowl trivia.  Feel free to post your shots.  I'll
>post my answers next week:
>
>1. What RB has gained the more rushing yards in a Super Bowl (hint: it
>   ain't Roger Craig or John Riggins)?

Timmy Smith, SB-22.

>2. Which DB or safety has had the most INTs in a Super Bowl?

Jake Scott, SB-7?

>3. What QB has had the most accurate SB game (hint: you KNEW I had to throw
>   this one in)?

Phil Simms, SB-21.  22-25 passing.

>4. Which WR has gained the most yards in receptions in a SB?

Jerry Rice, SB-23.

>5. Which player(s) have played in the most Super Bowls (hint: it ain't
>   Joe Montana)?

My guess:  Matt Millen or Fred Smerlas.

>6. Who has the longest gain from scrimmage in a Super Bowl game (includes
>   punt returns, kickoff returns and interceptions returned for a score)?

Stanford Jennings, SB-23, kickoff return. (Only other guy to return a
kickoff for TD was Fulton Walker(?) for Miami in SB-17.)

>7. Which team has LOST the most AFC Championship games?  NFC Championship 
>   games?

AFC - Raiders, 6.
NFC - Rams, 6.

>8. Who is the only QB to actually CATCH a pass in a Super Bowl?

Hmmmmm?

>Have fun!
>satish nair
>giants (dan must go... just practicing)

SB Supertrivia Appendage:

 9. Name only MVP from a losing SB team. (was also first non-QB to be MVP)

10. Name only rookie QB to ever start a SB. (neaux hints)

11. What rookie kicker booted a game-winner?

12. Aside from SB-1, which SB had the lowest attendance?

13. The city of New Orleans has hosted seven SB's.  How many were in the
    Superdome?  What stadium hosted the others?


--J.J.
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Perfect Dolphins Trivia
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: net
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:54:16 GMT


Okay.  When the Fins came out of the 1972 season, they obviusly had
all kinds of win streaks going on, because they just won 17 straight
games, 7 straight at home, 3 straight in the playoff, etc.

So, which teams stopped each of these streaks?  I.e., 
A) Who was the first team to beat Miami after 1972?
B) Who was the first to win *in* Miami after 1972?
C) And who was the first to beat the Fins in the playoffs after 72?

Hint:  Oh, you guys don't need hints.

--Gidi