From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: The Language on SCP
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:19:31 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1993Jan06.152708.22728@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, 
indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
> To: shamshoo@shelley.u.washington.edu
> In article <1id3t6INNs05@shelley.u.washington.edu> you write:
>>In merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant) writes:
>>>
>>>	In regards to the language on SCP:
>>>....... (deleted)......
>>>Rukhsana Merchant
>>
>>
>>Dear Rukhsana Merchant,
>>
>>As I have earlier mentioned in SCI, we need to take a more amused and tolerant
>>view of the language used, especially if some or most of us have to visit,
>>India, Pakistan and Bangladesh now and then. Were we to forget the reality of
>>trash (eg Bhangies and Chamaars) back home, whome you will surely encounter as
> 
>    Man!  this is a racist remark. If you do not like something or donot
>    approve of something that is your problem. Then why do you want  to pull 
>    some other innocent community. [R U shameless to say that you are moved 
>    and had tears,  and utter such bullshit].
> 
>    I'm not here to  discuss the rights and wrongs of those posters. Who the
>    hell R U to comment upon  certain communities? Learn to keep yourself in 
>    restrained if you can't think with out dividing people on some basis or 
>    other.
> 
>    What do you mean by Bhangis or Chamaars?
> 
>>they are now sending their children abroad with new money, we would all face
>>a cultural shock far severe then what you normally experience vis a vis West
>>to East.
>>
>>For your benefit and for others, I will say this: 
>>
>>1)	Encourage these individuals to post more trash. You will be better
>>	off, knowing what to expect than when you would not, when passing
>>	a slum/red light area, should you get lost in a big city back home.
> 
>    Looks like your are a arrogant ass from Pakistan or where ever you are 
>    from who is dead drunk with your  money. What hell do you mean by Slums 
>    and Red light areas.   Are they not humans?  Do you have two horns to make
>    yourself better than  other humans?
> 
>    Probably they may lack your aristrocratic-filthy-sophistry  but  
>    they are sincere  and honest. 
> 
>    Looks like you are worse   than these guys who have posted offensive
>    stuff. They have atleast done everything openly. You have given a  vent to
>    your perversions, hiding behind the mask of I'M-HOLY-REST-R-UNHOLY.
> 
>>
>>2)	If you were back home, and walking/driving past and found dogs 
>>	barking at you for no reason, what do you normally do ?
> 
>     Yeah!  Dogs bark at thieves and goons.
> 
>>3)	There are enough bozoos and weirdoos out there who are their own
>>	worst enemy. Sooner or later they will take care of themselves.
>>
>>4)	However, when new ones pop up, it is a brief interlude, and you
>>	must understand that these poor souls are lonely and destitute, 
>>	getting no attention from any one except on the internet. 
>>	In fact, as their foul language gets fouler, you can almost feel the 
>>	desperation in their articles. 
> 
>    Must be. I donot now, looks like you are a big authority on bozoos and 
>    wierdos and these type of stuff. R U that experienced or what?
> 
>>5)	Lastly, do what I have done at UW. Ask local Americans to get
>>	involved in at least viewing these posts, and you will find some 
>>	of them are really curious about India, Pakistan, and Bangaladesh,
>>	as they know very little about people from there. They seem to be
>>	very interested in this Hindu/Muslim thing, especially after the
>>	destruction of the Babri Mosque.
> 
>    Now this nut is coming out slowly. This idiot want to project his 
>    more positive, secularist bullshitting  image. So inorder to prove him
>    a better person, he tries to show his american friends  some trash and
>    convince them of his "hi pedestal" level.
> 
>    Whether you are a pakistani or an Indian, you indeed are  not worth 
>    to be born in the  great Indian Sub continent.
> 
>>Oh, and I almost forgot, dear (B)hangies and (CH)amaars, please carry on....
>>You naughty, naughty little things....
> 
>    Wonder how some of my Pakistani brothers here tolerate guys like this.
>    If this fellow made some remark against any community this way, in SCI 
>    he would faced the music.  
> 
> 
>>Best Regards,
>>Sham(les)s Hasan.
> 
> -Indu.
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
> |  My  views expressed above are made on a PERSONAL basis              |
> |  No Group or  Organization   can be held responsible                 |
> |                                ( for those in quest of truth .......)|
> |  [I'm neither a Bhangi, nor a Chamar nor belong to Red light areas   |
> |   I oppose hipocrites like this  fellow]                             |
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
>



   Dear Indu:

  There are many frogs in a poond (a la cesspool) where frogs croak. While
  Ms.Merchant can always deserve kudos for her rational viewpoint, it is out
  of her own interest that she (RM) should remind her "brother in Islam"
  the great Moron Incarnate (Mustafa Ibrahim) - what decency is all about.
  It will be just some time to see how things work from her side.

  Regarding Shams Hasan, I think that you are wasting your time. This is the
  hypocrite (available only in Pakistan - though rare) species. This "noble"
  soul is actually racist (as you have observed) and did openly express his
  desire to "... CASTRATE THE HINDOOS .... ". Everyone knows this - who have
  read the SCP frequently. Therefore puking from such hypocrites is just 
  reminder that beggars/ ragpickers like Shams Hasan exhibit their own
  family values by calling others chamaars/ bhangis etc. and etc. He is quite
  a "decent" and a "honnest guy" - as he claims. He claims to be a Musaalman - 
  while he has embraced the American culture - proudly and isotropically 
  shouting at all others   " I was *once* a Pakistani citizen ".  You know
  what he does: he calls his American friends (who are quite naive about
  situations outside U.S - in general), and, shows them the selected postings
  from SCP/ SCI particularly the ones that could be unpleasant - to show
  that some single person represents India - which is not true anyways. This
  is probably the way he (Shams) makes a living.

  Thus, don't ever bother to respond to idiots like Shams Hasan and let him
  hang loose from the Caboose.

     - regards,

      deb chatterjee
   (a good samaritan)

  P.S: If you walk nearby a cesspool, you might find tadpoles there - that are
       of Shams Hasan resemblance.
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