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From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Re: Elan vs 10s difference?
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Date: 24 Nov 92 06:04:48 GMT

In <27793@oasys.dt.navy.mil> oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan) writes:

>I've read the FAQ for the EOS series (thanks everyone ) but couldn't
>find the answer to this. What is the difference between the Elan and
>the 10s ? Is it strictly , or mostly, that the 10s is more metal in
>the body? Is the Elan quieter? What else? thanks.
>Bill O

I was hoping to avoid head-to-head comparisons in the EOS FAQ, but I guess
they'll go into the next revision.  (I thought it might be hard to be
objective.  But if there's a need there's a need.)

Here are two articles that I saved from a while back that seem to cover all
the points I can recall.  Someday, I will edit them down for a future FAQ.


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>Subject: Re: Question on EOS 10S and ELAN
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In article <74065@netnews.upenn.edu> leet@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Tzu-en Lee) writes:
>I am considering to buy either a Canon EOS 10S or a Canon EOS ELAN.  For some
>reason, I got the impression that 10S is a more advanced camera than ELAN, yet
>the price difference (NYC mail order, body only) is minimal.  Why is this the
>case?  Is my impression incorrect, or does ELAN carry some special features? 
>Any suggestion or advice about these two cameras?
>

  I think both complement each other rather than one being better 
than the other. I have a 10s bought before the Elan came out and
I'm very pleased with it. Now which are these differences and how they 
complement ? Here is what I can recollect from the top of my 
head.

- The 10s has a faster motor 5fps against 3fps of Elan ( however this 
  might be viewed  as an advantage for the Elan since 5fps can be 
  too fast for some slow moving actions i.e. you get many pictures that
  look alike ).

- The 10s has 5 or 6 more Custom Functions among them the useful
  leave-the-film-leader in or out.

- The Elan has a better overall Exp Compensation mechanism similar
  to the one of the EOS-1 which to me has no parallel among any SLR.

- The Elan flash is overall much better than the 10s though i won't
  consider any of them for any seriouss flash work ( get the 430EZ 
  for this purpose ). The differences are in red-eye-reduction 
  and zoom-head for different focal lengths in the Elan; none
  of them available on the 10s

- The Elan can retain up to 5 bar-code programs against 1 on the 10s

- The Elan is considerably less noisy though I wouldn't be so confident 
  about the  belts durability.

- The Elan has center-weighted ( not present in the 10s ) and a 
  "slimmer" partial meter though its matrix metering is less
  sofisticated than the 10s i.e. 6 segments against 8 on the 10s.
  The 10s multi-segment meter takes in consideration camera orientation 
  something I think not even present in the EOS-1.

- The 10s has 3 focusing marks against 1 on the Elan ( though I 
  haven't found this feature as useful as Canon claimes to be).

  If I were you I would go for the Elan though I'll be a bit 
worried about the belts durability. They are both great cameras
and you should be pleased with any of them. Choose the one that
best fits your needs and your picture taking techniques.

>Also, any suggestion on a good reliable mail order store?
>

B&H mailed me the 430EZ with little hassle and Adorama mailed
me the EOS-10s as well as a bogen tripod with little delays.
Both are good stores though the Adorama people are a bit more
polite ( to me at least ).


>Thanks in advance.
>
>Alex Lee
>Axle the Coop


Hope it helps,

Luigi Manna--
manna@usc.edu
Los Angeles, California.

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>From: elau@berlioz.nsc.com (Eugene Lau)
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>Subject: Re: 6006 vs 10s vs ELAN
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In article <SMECKER.92Apr3153245@ap1seq.oracle.com> smecker@oracle.com (Satyajit Singh Mecker) writes:
>
>
>           ...  The pluses and minuses 
>that I've been able to figure out are:
>(common stuff left out).
>
>EOS 10S
>-------
>Plus:
>- The best autofocusing of the lot allowing for extra flexibility while
>  composing (three autofocus sensors).
>- Can recognize both horiz & vertical lines on middle sensor.
>- Upto 9 multiple exposures.
>- 5fps motor.
>- interval timer.
>
>Minus:
>- No spot metering.
>- Flash quality is average???
>
>Elan
>----
>This is a bit vague...How can a camera less sophisticated (except for the
>silence part) than the 10S be considered a direct competitor to the
>N6006 instead of the 10S being granted this privelege???
>
>Plus:
>- More user friendly custom interface (Big deal).
>- Zoom capabilities of the flash.
>- Center weighted metering over smaller area than 10S.
>
>Minus:
>- Less sophisticated than the 10S in general.
>- No spot metering.
>- No multiple exposures.
>- Closer to the Rebel S than the 10S.
>
>Thanks,
>Singh

I wouldn't say the Elan is closer to the Rebel than the 10s.  It is quite close
to the 10s, except it has only one AF target, no interval timer, no 
film-leader-out rewind, and is 3fps.  You see, I have an Elan.  It does have
multiple exposure.  Spot metering? Only the Mega-SLR's have them, but partial
meter is quite good.  It shares the same chasis as the 10s (Rebel does not).
These are the facts.

Now the opinion.  I did not chose the 10s because I didn't need 3 AF targets.
I do like the Elan's more advanced flash (especially flash comp).  You don't 
alway have time to or want to mount a hot-shoe flash.  Holding your entire 
camera kit up to your eye can draw unwanted attention in many places.  The
other reason I chose the Elan is $$$.  Buying the Elan/28-80USM kit saved me
~$50.  So far, the only thing I missed is the leader-out film rewind.

Now for the Nikon/Canon discussion.  I would buy Nikon for its ruggedness, and
Canon for its user-friendliness.  Their optics are about the same, unless you
are Galen Rowell, then you'd want the absolute best.  I eventually went for
Canon's user friendliness, after several experiences with not being able to 
act quickly enough to capture a passing moment.

So there you have it.
Eugene

---

I will just add to the previous two postings and say that the 10S has a more
flexible *flash* TTL metering system compared to the Elan.  The Speedlite
Reference Guide notes that the 10S checks the exposure of the area under the
active AF zone and ignores the other two.  This allows for taking pictures of
people against white walls, beside mirrors, etc. and the TTL meter won't
get as confused as the centre-weighted TTL flash meter of the Elan.

If you do intend to use the built-in flash, note that the 10S flash covers
to focal lengths down to 35mm, whereas the autozoom flash of the Elan covers
down to 28mm.  (Ever notice that no 10S "kit" ever came with a lens wider
than 35mm??? :-)

I've heard that the red-eye reduction system on the Elan isn't always
effective, but is certainly better than none at all (comments on its
effectiveness are welcome for inclusion into the next FAQ--email is fine).
The best way is to go with the 430EZ (but that costs $$$).

Finally, since these postings, the EOS A2 has emerged to take the place of
the 10S.  Canon will have parts for at least 7 more years, so I wouldn't
worry about obsolescence.  I just added that for those who do!  :-)

Well, I hope this information helps you in your decision process!

(Actually, can some Elan owners tell me how often they use the Quick Control
Dial?  It seems awfully useful on the EOS-1 with its simulated "match needle
metering", but the less sophisticated manual mode on the Elan doesn't seem to
suggest heavy use of the QCD.)

ACS -- Editor of the Canon EOS FAQ...
	Yet another reason to buy a Canon EOS! :-)

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