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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: My WB (was e: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and: )
Date: 17 Dec 1992 02:14:06 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>Recently I have been playing Legends of Valor (CoverDisk Verison). You've
'>heard of LoV havn't ya dan?  It's the game on the Amiga that can do EXACTLY
'>what UU can + has see through windows and stairways.  Seems every time
'>Dan grabs a new "stick" there is a shield in the Amiga realm...But that's
'>irrelevant right?

	True, but in a few days Origin will be releasing Ultima Underworld II.
   So Dan's stick is going to become a super turbo stick. :)  Anyways, I saw
   screenshots of LoV in Computer Gaming World a couple months ago, and they
   looked ok ( very similar to Castle Wolfenstein 3d ), but nothing that I 
   would compare to UU.  Of course, it was a preview article, with only a few
   selected shots.  Moot point anyway, as its coming out for the PC also.

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

'>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
'>Screeeemmmmmin fast 4000/040..YEEEEHA!!          X-ASOCC (CBM Blew that one)
'>          Jim Martin   MATRIX -- If it's made, we sell it. Almost.
'>  ----(612) 656-9693--                         MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
'>      We're almost done with the Cray module for the EmPlanT.  :) heh
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From: ahansfor@bigwpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:21:12
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Distribution: world
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In-reply-to: root@rkamiga.UUCP's message of 15 Dec 92 13:08:50 EST

>>>>> On 15 Dec 92 13:08:50 EST, root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) said:

root> In article <1gib3hINNn0l@pith.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>In article <71644@cup.portal.com> spiercy@cup.portal.com (Scott Kelly Piercy) writes:
>>my dealer told me (and I used to work for him, so I can trust him,
>>although I always have doubts of his C= source, simply because I
>>know C= all too well) that C= will release an AMIGA next year (he
>>said the time frame was about 4 months from now) that contains the
>>DEC ALPHA processor.
>>Totally speculation at this point however
>
>   Fat chance. Do you even know what the power requirements for that chip are?
>It's not just big, it's HUGE. It's not going to happen. Besides, the chip
>itself is very, very, VERY expensive - not exactly something a company that's
>conscious about price would put in a computer.

root> And for performance you would need:

root> 1 to 2 megs of 10 to 15 ns static ram cache.  
You can use slower. Or less.

root> A fast peripheral bus controller.  

root> A motherboard that could run at 133 mhz.  A 500
root> watt powersupply.  

Hey, why not a 200MHz board.  That 500 Watt supply though is huge.

root> A complex cpu and cache chip cooling system.

Heat sink and a fan and CAREFULL design.

root> A specially shielded cabinet to allow it to be classified for
root> home use.

Well, you could get by with less, but of course to more you spend the
better the machine.  High MHz boards will be here sometime, and not
the entire motherboard needs to run at those rates.  According to many
sources DEC is planning a PC based on Alpha, and possibly even
portables (lower speed and a new implementation with a single issue
architecture and power features maybe).  

Having an Amiga based on Alpha is possible.  But what makes the amiga
an amiga?  The processor?  The chipset?  The OS.  Some combination.
Could be very interesting to see a port of AmigaDos. (Wow, imagine
AmigaDos on a Pentium. :^))

-- Andrew Hansford
   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:   OS/2 vs Win NT
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:44:53 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <Bz5qrE.44v@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>>It's interesting to note that Lew Eggebrecht mentioned in his address at
>>>the WOC in Toronto that the A4000 is both 68060 and RISC-ready. When asked
>>>what advantages RISC would offer to the Amiga line, he immediately
>>>stated Windows NT.
>>
>>But only if the RISC chip is Alpha or MIPS in little endian mode.
>>
>>Why would someone want a server OS for MSDOS Windows 3.x on their Amiga?
>
>The NT project might have been started as only a server, but if there
>is serious competition for it, Microsoft is going to start selling REAL
>CHEAP LIKE!  If it becomes the standard that they want it to be, it
>might be a superior replacement for bridgeboards...it could probably
>integrate more fully with AmigaDOS, if not run it as a task.

1.  NT needs 16 megs of memory, and about 64 megs of swap.
2.  It will have less DOS and Windows support than OS/2.
3.  The NT multi OS promise is vaporware marketing hype.
4.  NT is missing a lot of tools.
5.  Microsoft says that NT will be "under $500".
6.  NT probably won't ship for another year.
7.  OS/2 can do everything that NT claims to do.

Microsoft has a bad history of failing to correctly integrate industry
standards in it's products.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:42:20 GMT

In article <jil.724790751@kickapoo.cs.iastate.edu> jil@kickapoo.cs.iastate.edu (Jim Lathrop) writes:
>Maybe I should start posting proofs that PH is infinite. (-: (-: (-: (-:
>As far as I know, Marc is not part of the CS program.  There would be high
>probability that he would have taken a class that I TA'd.  Would you care
>to comment on your major Marc???  

   Double major in computer science and economics.  I have been taking mostly
econ classes and other non-CS courses for the past few semesters.  I got tired
of CS courses and needed a break.

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
--------------------------------------------------
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From: ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy)
Subject: Re: sigh.....
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:55:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.190328.25598@netcom.com> damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos) writes:
>In <42481@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jfriesne@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jeremy Friesner!) writes:
>
>>>>
>>>>No, it's the people that have them.
>>>
>>>Ill never agree with that statement...  its those who cant control their
>>>emotions and reactions-- like paula...  shes much more dangerous than I
>>>
>
>>Wot?  Paula is doing the raping and killing?  I think not...
>>So if it's not the people with "the views", then who is it?
>
>not that anybody asked, but you know what i find offensive? the trivialization
>of criminally psychopathic behaviour.
>
>rapists and murders can barely be considered to have any "views" at all, 
>besides violent misanthropy. rapists and murderers don't fill their luxury time
>trading verbal jousts with people on the internet. implying same only 

Really?  I'm so "glad" you know the inner workings of such people to be
able to make such cut-and-dried analyses...

>
>lets deal with rape as rape - mandatory death penalty.

Again, I'm so glad you know what rape is.  How do you prove it boy-genius?
Women don't lie?

>lets deal with murder as murder - mandatory death penalty.

I'm so glad that murder is black and white in your book, too...

>
>(anybody who believes that reforming rapists and murderers is possible, is 
>welcome to take that person into their home and personally try and reform
>them. good luck, and sleep well.)

A civilized person gives them a chance, boy-genius.  If they come for me in
my bed, they just blew their chance...

Charles C. Bundy IV
ccb8m@virginia.edu
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dans uploaded OS/2 Screens SUCK!
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:34:30 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

Hmm, I don't know where to look for an IFF->GIF converter.  
Any ideas?  Or a MSDOS IFF viewer?
I'll poke a bit with archie, but I doubt that'll turn up anything.
_Dan
.

--
Dan Stephenson                                                das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while
we lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  
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From: lee@rose.brandeis.edu (charles lee)
Subject: Re: A4000 or NOT
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:55:58 GMT

bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>Actually, I'm curious:  Did the PET have graphics, or was it text
>only?  I don't remember the PET.  (I'm a youngin' though...)  I just

Erg. The Pet. I don't think it had graphics at all. I do remember trying
to redefine the character set to accomdate some sort of primitive
graphics, but it didn't bear fruit. Mind you, I was 12 at the time.

/-------------------------------------------------------------------------\
| Charles Lee                  :______/\_M_I_G_/\______:= FocuS GraphicS =|
| ~~~~~~~~~~~                  : for the Creative Mind :  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  |
| lee@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu :=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=: 2D/3D Graphics   |
| Brandeis University          :1 Universe, 1 Computer.: 2D/3D Animation  |
| Structual Biology Lab        :         Amiga.        : Rates negotiable |
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From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: ####The "how to get rid of Irving Gould" Top Ten List####
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 11:31:10 GMT


From the home office in Lower East Chester, Pennsylvania, it's the Top 
Ten ways to get rid of the source of all our sorrows:  Irving Gould.
Here we go...

<drum roll>

#10 Make him guest of honnor at NewTek LSD party where Niki can slip him
    hundred hits of Orange Sunshine.

#9  Get him drunk, depressed, and into game of "Sudden-Death" Computer
    Trivial Pursuit with Dave Haynie.

#8  Display him on 1084 monitor and flicker him to death.

#7  Get him into a "for keeps" dog fight with ex-Amigoid on PC flight
    simulator.

#6  Let original Amiga Loraine team use him as a real dart board.

#5  Send him to Dallas Amiga Users Group costume party dressed as JFK.

#4  Convince him of need to travel to Tibet, join monastery, and undertake 
    20 year study of Blazemonger manual.

#3  Did I mention Kennedy style head shot?

#2  Send him on over night camping trip with Marc Barret.

And the number one method of getting rid of Irving Gould once and for all:

    Send him to Iraq, frame him as American spy, then send Commodore
    marketing team to negotiate his release.
From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: C= : Where's the Speech?
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:38:15 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <57642@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:

>In article <Bz48IL.2su@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>   Then why has Commodore removed the speech capability completely from 
>>AmigaOS 2.1 and AmigaOS 3.0?
>>... [This] is the most reasonable explanation to date for why Commodore did
>>not bother updating their licesnse to keep the speech synthesis libraries in
>>AmigaOS 2.1 and 3.0.
>
>	It is?  Well gee... I guess we should ignore the explanation that a
>Commodore employee posted on USENET, saying that continuing the license was
>judged by the higher-ups to be too expensive.  We mustn't believe a
>Commodore employee, must we?
>

	I asked Lewis Eggebrecht about this. He says that there will be
something to replace it, and that it is far better.

-- 

   I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND SUPRA MODEMS - IN MY OPINION THEY ARE NOT RELIABLE
      Amiga Graphics Association BBS (516) 473-6351  24 HRS 14.4 v.32bis
                   ** NO LONGER RUNNING ON A SUPRA MODEM **
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  Problems with your Supra modem? Join the Supra Mailing List. Send email to
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Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:06:11 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
 <1992Dec13.041029.9962@sol.cs.wmich.edu> <1992Dec13.063021.28547@usl.edu>,<1992Dec13.073135.10623@sol.cs.wmich.edu>
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>>[Dan says the WB2.0 looks *awful*]
>
>>Wow, this sort of comment REALLY points out some Amiga inadequecies:
>

Hmmmm....sounds like Dan is just tryin to start a flame war...I was pretty sure
he had an Amiga....

well...

I pass.  (posting when 80 messages from the end is dangerous. :) )

Jim
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Screeeemmmmmin fast 4000/040..YEEEEEEHA!!          X-ASOCC (CBM Blew that one)
          Jim Martin   MATRIX -- If it's made, we sell it. Almost.
  -----(612) 656-9693--                         MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
      We're almost done with the Cray module for the EmPlanT.  :) heh
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From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: Educational Software/CDTV
Organization: City University, London
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:31:02 GMT

In article <42145@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mfischer@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Mike Fischer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec7.122344.18747@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>>No no no. The numeric keypad is _essential_ for serious applications like
>>flight simulators.
>
>-->> W H O O S H...          
>
>Were you joking?  "Serious applications like flight simulators?"
>I could have sworn a flight simulator was a game...;)

Try telling that to Reddifusion! Flight simulation is a serious
use of a computer like the Amiga, much _more_ important than
spreadsheets and accounting.

Think of it on the eternal scale. When you are in heaven will
you be playing flight simulators (or even flying real planes)
or messing around with spreadsheets???
Get a grip on reality.

--
  ________  Lionel Tun, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk  ________
 / /_  __/\       Computer Vision Group      /\ \__  _\
/___/_/_/\/ City University, London EC1V 0HB \ \___\_\_\
\___\_\_\/        071-477 8000 ext 3889       \/___/_/_/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re:  Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:12:54 GMT

In article <Eric.01mj@desert.wlink.nl> Eric@desert.wlink.nl (Eric De Jong) writes:


>I'm happy CBM was smart enough to release the a4000 with a (whimpy) IDE
>controller NOW, rather than having us wait for the SCSI version in March....

   I still do not understand why so many people have the idea that putting
SCSI into the A4000 would have meant a later release date.  Indeed, using
SCSI instead of IDE just might have allowed the A4000 to be released sooner.
At the very least, it probably would not have meant any difference at all in
the release date.  

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
--------------------------------------------------
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:58:56 GMT

In article <Paula_Lieberman.07ja@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:

>re article by Martin Black, mentioning Amiga bus being faster than most
>other personal computer buses, and "-I haven't looked at workstation buses"
> -- FutureBus+ ia 64 bits wide, and a couple companies have it available. 
>However, it's not clear that it's really going much of any where.  MultiBus
>II seems to be dying off and set adrift by Intel.  VME, initiated long ago
>by Motorola, continues to survive [though I've SEEN VME buses that used
>80386es running MS-DOS applications as engines!  I was to put it mildly
>taken aback at that!].  S-Bus has some adherents, though people complain
>the form factor is too small.  Eurocard is still out there.......

An interesting aside: after the private discussions by Lew Eggebrecht at
the WOC in Toronto, several of us had an opportunity to pose questions
and share insights with Mr. Eggebrecht. One person asked about how RISC
technology could be incorporated into the platform given the lack of a
64-bit bus. His response was that a solution was currently be worked on
to alleviate the problem. Zorro IV anyone? Take it for what it's worth :).
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bill, the keeper of knoledge. Re:  OS/2 vs Win NT
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:20:57 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec16.161448.295@nmsu.edu> <1992Dec17.192447.5281@microsoft.com>
  <BzH1E8.65y@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>

>And yea did the FCC charges be brought upon him, and his empire did
>fall, yea like Babylon.

..and the lord said, thou silliest FCC, they art a software maker.
Sic the FTC so that your charges may haveth some validity.

And the software vendors did grin. And the morning was the evening
of the 8th day.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Dans uploaded OS/2 Screens SUCK!
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:11:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.233430.17667@usl.edu>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>Hmm, I don't know where to look for an IFF->GIF converter.  
>Any ideas?  Or a MSDOS IFF viewer?
>I'll poke a bit with archie, but I doubt that'll turn up anything.

Ahem, try GWS (Graphics Workshop) for either DOS or Windows. Geez, somehow
it's ironic that the Amiga people know what's going on :).
From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM, what's wrong?
Date: 19 Dec 92 20:13:16 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics

In article <1gvednINNlsi@pith.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>In article <BzH5HG.3Co@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>
>>Is there a Willy Beamish for the Amiga?
>
>   Yes.

Will  Sierra/Dynamix be supporting the AGA Amiga's? I keep hearing conflicting
stories.

By the way, it's rather interesting to note the lack of sales for the Sega
CD-ROM. Will it continue to be supported? What about the SNES one when they
decide there is a market, after Sega markets their product, for CD players?

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au (r j pogainis)
Subject: Re: Does the President have an email address?
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 13 Dec 92 10:23:30 GMT

jon.taylor@uuserv.cc.utah.edu (JON M. TAYLOR) writes:

>In article <db562s445.5d45@sycom.mi.org> db562s445@sycom.mi.org (Dave Birdsong) writes:
>>From: db562s445@sycom.mi.org (Dave Birdsong)
>>Subject: Does the President have an email address?
>>Date: 11 Dec 92 00:09:52 GMT
>>Does anyone the email address of the President of the USA?  
>>I have a few things to talk to him about! ;-)    
>>Robert Pogainis      rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au    Amiga Rules etc etc ..
>>Ok, no more Mr NiceGuy!!  The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a piece of SHIT!
>>Get off your fattened ARSES and do something for FREEDOM!! LIBERATE the
>>BALTIC STATES! Get the RUSSIAN ARMY out of LATVIA! BROTHERS, let us UNITE!!
>>If you don't like the USA then LEAVE and don't let the Door hit your A$$ on 
>>the way out!!!
>>as for helping the Baltic's... Who mad the USA the World's Police!

>	I think this is PRECISELY why he does not, at least not one that is 
>non-filtered.

>	-Jon

It seems to be working a bit.  All I'm trying to do is get Americans to pull their fingers out!
If you were in my position, you would understand.

--
Robert Pogainis      rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au    Amiga Rules etc etc ..
Ok, no more Mr NiceGuy!!  The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a piece of SHIT!
Get off your fattened ARSES and do something for FREEDOM!! LIBERATE the
BALTIC STATES! Get the RUSSIAN ARMY out of LATVIA! BROTHERS, let us UNITE!!
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From: dewald@plains.NoDak.edu (Eric Dewald)
Subject: RE: CISC and RISC
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:02:52 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:05:05 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <2094@vall.dsv.su.se> matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg) writes:
>Stephenson Daniel A (das9674@usl.edu) wrote:
>
>: >BTW, an Amiga 1000 with WB1.3? That computer is from 1985, I will
>: >gladly try a PC from 1985 and compare it with my Amiga 3000.
>: 
>: and I am going to try it out some, and I don't give a hoot how old
>: it is.
>
>Ok. Sorry, if I sounded a bit rude...
>
>But anyway I will compare a PC from 1985 with my Amiga, and I don't
>give a hoot how old it is. ;-)   <- smiley.

Well, you still miss the point.  I am a 386 owner trying out
the Amiga1000 without any regard for my superior 386.

>=  Mattias  =  matt-dah@dsv.su.se  =  I love it.        =
-- 
Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
 appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
 everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn
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