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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Madonna's new book
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:58:48 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1e8kelINNpfc@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

>Really? Since young women carry about 400 of the little rascals around
>with them in one stage or another (my ObGyn knowledge is pretty rusty),
>it would seem that "eggs" would not be appropriate. To confuse things
>a bit, in slang Spanish "balls" are called "uovos", eggs.

I thought it was "cojones".


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From: srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: good novels about gay lifestyle
Date: 20 Nov 1992 00:26:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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I second the recommendation of Rita Mae Brown.  I have taught
_Rubyfruit_Jungle_ a couple of times, and students love it.  It's funny
and an "easy" read; it has Huck Finn echoes and refreshing honesty.

I just finished teaching _Dancer_From_the_Dance by Andrew Holleran.  This
novel covers the 1970s Fire Island-pre-SNF-disco era.  I think it is
lovely and enticing, but I'm not sure I would teach it again, at least not
"all alone," since some students who were encountering gay culture for the
first time seemed to assume that Holleran's queens were representative of
ALL gay culture.  It would certainly be a good book to read as part of a
self-education session, and I think it would also fit on a syllabus that
featured other texts about gay men's culture.  On it's own, though, it
required a lot of caution in the teaching.

Steven
From: ian@spider.co.uk (Ian Heavens)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Strange Characters (Was: Trebbitsch Lincoln)
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:15:09 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <By11sI.3K9@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>ian@spider.co.uk (Ian Heavens) wrote:
>> The same book also mentions the extraordinary Yorkshire clergyman Joseph
>> Wolff, who attempted to rescue Conolly and Stoddard from the Emir of
>> Bokhara, and one of the most bizarre and sinister characters in history,
>> a White Russian Baron (whose name escapes me) turned Buddhist who
>> terrorised Mongolia during the Russian Civil War.
>
>The latter guy (whose name escapes me too) gets an extended description in
>James Webb's "The Occult Establishment" - he was a proto-Nazi occultist who
>turned to traditional Mongolian Buddhism for what he thought were its
>magical secrets.  He introduced the only anti-semitic laws ever passed in
>Mongolian history (since Mongolia didn't have any Jews at the time, this
>was a pretty strange idea even by Nazi standards).  When his regime was
>facing defeat he would go into battle stark naked on horseback with his
>horse decorated with human skulls and magical amulets.  (Webb's book has
>lots of great yarns like like this: the section on Monte Verita alone is
>worth the price).

The Mad Baron used to line up captured prisoners and execute anyone not in 
perfect health; as a Buddhist he believed he was doing them a favour, as they 
would be reborn in better shape. 

One of Lytton Strachey's uncles returned from a period in India convinced that
Calcutta time was the best time by which to live one's life (despite a sojourn of
only five years there); for the rest of his, he did so, rising at 4 o'clock in London  
and conducting most of his waking hours by gaslight and at variance with the rest of
London society (from Michael Horood's biography of Lytton Strachey.

Present day eccentrics: there is apparently a Muslim holy man (a Sufi, I would guess) who 
has been living, eating and sleeping on a chair in a Sheffield street for the last twenty 
years, existing on food brought him by passers-by (apart from the location and furniture, 
this is very much in the tradition of mystics, so perhaps it isn't that unusual).  There is 
someone in Edinburgh (subject of a survey by an Edinburgh pyschiatrist of eccentrics) who 
likes to take baths filled with cold baked beans.

ian

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From: amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Surreal Novels About WWII
Date: 21 Nov 92 15:56:53 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

One more occurred to me, though it may not qualify as "surreal",
Malaparte's _The Skin_, about Fascist Italy.  Lots of sex, corruption,
and violence, though -- so, it's definitely offbeat enough.

-- 
Marko Amnell
amnell@klaava.helsinki.fi
Graduate Student in Philosophy
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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Balls etc. (was Madonna's new book)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 17 NOV 92 17:12:38 GMT


Lori Cole writes, in reference to the eggs vs. balls discussion:

>Then wouldn't referring to people as having "a lot of eggs" be the
>perfect, all-purpose, non-gendered term?!?!

I have a problem with the expressions "a lot of eggs" or "a lot
of ovaries" -- political and biological considerations aside,
they simply don't SOUND as good as "a lot of balls".  Also, "Balls!"
is a great expletive, while "Eggs!" or "Ovaries!" just doesn't do
much for me.  Maybe I've been totalized by the hegemonic metanarrative, 
or something.

There is that story about the American general whose forces were 
surrounded by Germans during the Battle of the Bulge, and who,
when the Germans demanded his surrender, responded "Balls!" 
(or in the bowdlerized version, "Nuts!").  This always struck
me as admirably brief.  However, I later read somewhere that he 
really said "Fuck off!" which is much more to the point.
Any of the military historians on rec.arts.books recall the name
of this monosyllabic general, or know more about this story?

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,sci.philosophy.meta
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Wittgenstein, P.I.
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:09:03 GMT

In article <TORKEL.92Nov21163353@bast.sics.se> torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.151135.29992@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
> writes:
>
>   >Where did I say he was not? The passage of mine you quote here simply
>   >states what his general conclusion about philosophical problems was.
>
>  What? Are you attributing to Wittgenstein that peculiar line about "problems
>in the use of language"?

No. I'm attributing to W that line about "philosophical problems."

>   >What I said was that
>   >"Wittgenstein, p.i." did not include metaphysics as part of his modus
>   >operandi. It is illogical to take this as a statement of his concerns;
>   >it is merely a statement of his methods.
>
>  But metaphysics is not a "modus operandi" but a field of thought.

Well, actually, it's both.

But in any case you seem now to have granted
that I did *not* say that W was unconcerned with metaphysics. Clearly,
he was deeply concerned with metaphysics; had he not been, he would not
have labored so hard against metaphysics.


--Mike



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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Nothing to do with: Accuracy 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:29:07 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Andrew Baker writes:
>Paul Callahan writes:
>>
>>On this topic, can the following variation (or something similar) be 
>>attributed to any person, real or fictional?
>>
>> "If I have seen farther than others, it's because I'm surrounded by midgets."
>
>John Kenneth Galbraith to Milton Friedman??
>
Dorothy Gale.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> My bad.
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: MASTER OF ENGLISH PROSE (Cardinal Newman)
Date: 24 Nov 1992 03:29:35 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Mahabala Sastry writes:

	Can anyone out there on the net tell me where I can get to 
	read Cardinal Newman? I know Cardinal Newman to be one of 
	the "MASTERS OF ENGLISH PROSE".  Cardinal Newman is not the 
	actual name of the writer. One of his famous works that I 
	know of is "Portrait of a University". I remebered having 
	read a chapter in that book called "Definition of a Gentleman". 
	Also he is a British writer.


You have in mind John Henry Newman, who, unlike, say, Cardinal Puff,
the Stanford Football team or Fr Sarducci, was, in fact, a real
Cardinal. I like his *APOLOGIA PRO VITA SUA* which is really rather
magnificnt but you referenced his *IDEA of a UNIVERSITY DEFINED*.
Curiously, both these titles explain just what the books are all 
about -- something of a miracle by modern standards.

If its just good English you want, then take a peak at APVS. Unlike
the other book with a Latin title well-known to this audience, APVS
is in remarkably good English, not unremarkably poor German.

							Fido
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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Maddona's new book
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 21 Nov 92 09:44:08

Mike Godwin includes:


     To me, the importance of Madonna (and, yes, I think she's
     important) lies not in her sexiness (about which many
     disagree, in any case), but in her absolute control of her
     sexual personae.

My little latin suggests that "personae" is plural.  What are they
in the Madonna case?
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Balls &c. and numbers thereof.
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:01:42 GMT



Francis Muir writes:
 
        Dani Zweig writes quoting John Blasik (whoever he is):
 
                It was mentioned on CNN that the new prime number discovered
                recently is four times bigger then the previous record.
 
        If it is indeed four times bigger, then it isn't prime.
 
I keep hearing about larger prime numbers being found.  Who the hell
looks for these things (this should be read with my father's voice, not
with mine)?
 
I figure it must be computer scientists.  A mathematician would
never do anything so silly.  He knows that larger primes are there,
that they are not divisible by four, and is satisfied with the knowledge.
 
Mark
 
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From: alison@wsrcc.com (Alison Chaiken)
Subject: Re: good novels about gay lifestyle
Organization: W S Rupprecht Computer Consulting, Fremont CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:31:28 GMT

>> alison@wsrcc.com (Alison Chaiken) writes:
>>I'd like to read one or two good books about the gay lifestyle. . .

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>It might help to realize that there are as many "gay
>lifestyle[s]" as there are straight ones. 

Gee, somehow when I asked for books about Islam folks were able to
supply a short but useful list, without equivocation!  I didn't mean
to imply, "I know that THEY are all alike; what books lists facts
about THEM?"  I'm not writing a research paper about homosexuality;
I'm just looking for something educational and entertaining to read
over Thanksgiving.  Since I believe that I have never read a single
book in which the majority of the characters were gay, I'm sure that
anything I read will leave me better informed.

Anyhow, thanks to all the folks who recommended books in answer to my
question.
-- 
Alison Chaiken 				alison@wsrcc.com
(510) 422-7129 [daytime] 		or chaiken@cmsgee.llnl.gov
Look if you like, but you will have to leap.

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From: ag@sics.se (Anders G|ransson)
Subject: Re: Wittgenstein and metaphysics was: Wittgenstein, P.I.
Organization: GRAMMA
	<gall.722544249@yorku.ca> <1992Nov23.194343.21754@news.eng.convex.com>
	<gall.722554639@yorku.ca>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:31:45 GMT

In article <gall.722554639@yorku.ca> gall@nexus.yorku.ca (Norm Gall) writes:

 (text, from Peter Cash and Norm Gall, omitted) 

   ( Peter Cash:)
   |And you say Wittgenstein wasn't concerned with "what is the case". (Except,
   |I suppose, in his misspent youth.) What's the opposite of this kind of
   |concern; what is it to be unconcerned with what is the case? 

   (Norm Gall)
   Well, he was concerned with what is the case.

   But he was more concerned with the grammar of language (not grammar in
   the sense of english grammar, but logical grammar)  Logical grammar
   describes the way concepts 'interlock' and exclude one another.  A
   good reference for this is 

   Rundle, Bede. Grammar in Philosophy. (Basil Blackwell: Oxford, 1979)


It might perhaps be of some interest here that W. himself made
the claim that he used 'grammar' in exactly the same sense as in
'english grammar'. The question was brought up by Moore whether
not W. used 'grammar' in a peculiar fashion and received the
answer that he (W.) was not. This was in 1931. W.'s
answer to Moore is given in "Wittgenstein's lectures Cambridge
1930-1932", ed. Lee, Blackwell. Moore's account is in Mind 1954.
The answer was roughly that some violations of grammar did
produce confusion and other did not.
Later on I suppose even W himself realized that he did not use
'grammar', 'logic', 'space' e t c in the ordinary sense. Hmm, but
what other sense is there, wait a minute now, this must be wrong,
sorry sorry, a terrible faux pas, naturally he used these words
in the ordinary sense or in a way that or well never mind
never mind must have lost but well then


best regards Anders


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From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Ate in Arcadia. Eggo.
Date: 18 Nov 1992 11:31:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Then there's the old "revolutionary" maxim attributed to several,
(Mao, Lenin, etc.)
  "To make an omelet, one must break eggs"
 Deserves an OVAtion, no?
-- 
Ted....
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Accuracy in autobiography (was: GENIUS: Richard Feynman)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:31:05 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
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Luke Something (Earthwalker?) writes:

	Perhaps I'm just picking nits here, but my undergrad mechanics 
	book claims that Hooke published F = -kx as a latin anagram, 
	strictly 1-d.  Does Hooke explicitly mention the possibility 
	of displacement having a component orthogonal to applied force?  
	If not, the 1st class mechanic in question would be Lame, who 
	postdated Newton.

I have never forgiven Lame for giving his name to two constants that, 
for the past 200 years, have seduced authors of undergraduate mechanics 
text-books into teaching that the world is isotropic. Lame was a Zero.

							Fido
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: The Bauhaus and crystal palaces
Date: 23 Nov 1992 14:34:53 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: world
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In the thread on Crystal Palaces that Zeleny has started, someone
made a connection with the Bauhaus. I think this is a pretty tenuous
one, but there is one between Morris and the Bauhaus that Nikolaus
Pevsner has explored in his *PIONEERS of MODERN DESIGN, from WILLIAM
MORRIS to WALTER GROPIUS* which was put out as a Pelican by Penguin,
if you know what I mean. 

There is also a quirky connection between Morris and Russian revolutionaries
that may appeal particularly to Mikhail. Let me quote from Stransky:

	Morris had been ill for more than a year before his death
	in October 1896, but a serious decline was brought on by
	the complication of a cold caught in December 1895. He had
	been speaking outside Waterloo station as part of the
	funeral for his old friend, Sergius Stepniak, the Russian
	revolutionary, who had been run down by a train while
	absent-mindedly crossing the tracks in Chiswick.

Stransky, who seems unable to staunch the surrealist flow, goes on:

	Morris went on a cruise to Norway,..., but he was clearly
	failing. It was a sad, protracted death. In September,
	Arnold Dolmetsch, who had done so much to recover older
	music and instruments [and who inflicted the recorder on
	us.FM], played the virginals for him. Morris died at 11:15,
	and was buried in the village of Kelmscott on 6 October.
	The funeral was appropriately simple, yet dramatic: a very
	wet day, a hwling wind, the risding waters of the Thames,
	the coffin carried in an open hay cart, a wreath of hay,...

Who needs 20th Century fiction with Victorian facts like this?

						Fido
From: grimaldo@tokyo.seri.philips.nl (Emilio Grimaldo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Jean Auel's 5th book
Summary: Jean Auel's new book, when is it out?
Keywords: Clan of the Cave Bear.
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:04:17 GMT
Organization: Philips Semiconductors, The Netherlands
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


 hi there, If you are familiar with Jean Auel's 5 book series:
      The Clan of the Cave Bear
      The Valley of Horses
      The Mamooth hunters
      The Plains of Passage
      ????

  yes, the 5th book is missing, in the last novel (1988?) they mention that
  'she is in Oregon researching and writing the 5th book', has been four
  years. How can it be, a 4 book series  (about 800 pages/book) and the
  very last book with the conclusion is still missing. Many people waiting
  but does anybody knows if it has already been published, or at least the
  name of that 5th book? or is it NOT going to be published at all?

	       Anxious reader,
			      Emilio
			      grimaldo@tokyo.sce.philips.nl
			      reply directly to me please.



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From: srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: good novels about gay lifestyle
Date: 21 Nov 1992 23:52:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Re: Andrew Holleran (oh barf).

At this point I don't think I'd teach Holleran's _Dancer_ again, at least
not in a general course that featured no other gay literature.  Holleran's
stance is ultimately too equivocal, and I am finding with some of the
student's papers that it is too easy for readers to assume that Fire
Island in the 70s is representative of ALL gay culture.

Steven
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Lightbulbs, et al.  [was: The Truth According to Mickie Medved]
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:09:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <lgakr7INN6ge@news.bbn.com> ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer) writes:

>How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Four.  One to screw it in, and three to share the experience.



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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Maddona's new book
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 23:32:37 GMT

 
mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
 
> To me, the exceptional thing about the book is that Madonna could get away
> with it. What other star of stage, screen, or music could have pulled this
> off without damaging his or her career?
 
2 Live Crew.


Mark

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From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Subject: Re: "Authors in Popsongs" quiz
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:16:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.073328.19163@kub.nl> wietske@kub.nl writes:


> 5.  Elementary penguin singing Hare Krishna
>     Man you should have seen them kicking Edgar Allan Poe

Chesstnutsses, preciouss.  "I Am the Walrus."  Beatles.


>14.  Marshall McLuhan, casual viewin', head buried in the
>          sand

"Broadway Melody of 1984," Genesis.  (Or was that 1974?)


>18.  While Lenin read a book on Marx
>     The quartet practised in the park

Don McLean, "American Pie."  But it's "while Lennon read a book of Marx."

There are others that come to mind.  "The Dangling Conversation," by Simon and 
Garfarkel mentions La Emily.  Somewhere in the album "Too Old To Rock'n'Roll,
Too Young to Die" by Jethro Tull, there are mentions of Jack Kerouac.  And
of course, there's Sting:

"It's too late, he sees her,
he starts to shake and cough,
just like that old man in
that book by Nabokov."

I think I'll post one of "pop lyrics based on books."

Dan'l
From: cooneys@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Secret Agent
Date: 21 Nov 92 17:34:48 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <17NOV199209273009@portal.lasc.lockheed.com>, le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel) writes:
> Calling all Joseph Conrad  fans.  PBS Masterpiece Theater is dramatizing
> their first Conrad novel "The Secret Agent".  I loved this book, and would
> like to hear what others thought of it and why.  It was a real departure
> for Conrad.  I have watched the first of 3 hours of this production and
> recommend it. David Suchet is already terrific as the unhappy Verloc.
> 
> Ron

I don't know ... I watched it with some pleasure, enjoying 
the visuals, the "production values" I guess you'd call them, 
but it all seemed so thin in texture, so lacking in all that 
astringent bitter funny painful irony that permeates the 
book. The cab ride, for example, was simply reduced to a 
distracting brief episode: you'd never know it has the 
weight it does in the original.

I think the rule is, the better the original being done on 
t.v. or movies, the worse the result. I can think of only a 
few possible exceptions: THE SPOILS OF POYNTON years ago 
was, I thought, marvellously done. And a Russian movie of 
Chekhov's "Lady with a Little Dog" was superb (I think the 
director's name was Heifetz)
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