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From: damin@randell.cba.csuohio.edu (Greg Boehnlein)
Subject: Re: Public Project needs assitance?
Organization: Cleveland State University, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:19:12 GMT

In article <y05uXB1w165w@waffle.tiny.com> sjsobol@waffle.tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol) writes:
>trier@slc6.ins.cwru.edu (Stephen C. Trier) writes:
>
>> Followups to cle.config, please.
>
>> Beyond that, you'll probably have the most luck with area UUCP sites.  There
>> are a lot of them, many of them have "gone domain" already, and most are
>> willing to offer more feeds.  You'll have the easiest time if you are willing
>> to speak UUCP to them, but some of them might be willing to consider other
>> protocols.  To find area UUCP sites, go look in comp.mail.maps for the
>> u.usa.oh.1 and u.usa.oh.2 UUCP maps and look through them for sites in the
>> area.
>
>
>Tiny (tiny.com) may be able to do it if it is low-volume. I'm always
>interested in testing new stuff. Plus I have a FQDN and can set up a
>subdomain easily.
>
>It will have to be low volume though.

Well.. thanks for the offer. Right now, the Administrator from APK has 
brought up some points that will have to be addressed before any work can
really start on the project.

I -NEED- to find a way to re-direct all incoming mail for the domain to a file
that will be parsed and distributed to four other sites.

Any suggestions people?
From: bf248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry Renault)
Newsgroups: cle.general,oh.general
Subject: Re: Loose Change Anyone?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:02:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bf248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry Renault)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, sysop@pwrtools.wariat.org (Valkyries--j. rowland) says:

>I think that by doing that, it would just show how much of a "community"
>system it is.  Currently, there is *no* community say in how the system is
>run whatsoever.  Somehow it is supposed to be a community project, but there
>is little input from the community whatsoever.  If INS is just going to go
>around replacing community volunteers just because they disagree with who
>runs things would be a dangerous precedent.  Any sysop who dares speak out
>against INS would be in danger of losing their account.  That option seems
>even more remote from any sense of community involvement or freedom of thought
>or speech.

a person can criticize INS all he or she wants.  the fact remains that
if you criticize the NPTN, then grundner will sic his little lap dog jim
kutz on you.  

>Sure, just axe somebody because INS doesn't like them.  I don't understand why
>everybody wants is out for blood with Jim Kutz.  Perhaps some of you people

because he's an asshole?  he goes around unchecked like some little Hitler
and no one seems to mind because there are enough stupid people who'll
agree with his bullshit definitions because they are gullible.

>disagree with his definition of libel and slander, but he has done so many
>good things.  He has answered hundreds of questions, he's helped countless

and i'm sure the KKK did wonderful community service projects when they
weren't lynching blacks.  i'm sure the Nazi SS had neighborhood
bake sales too.

>sysops learn how to run their SIG's, he helps people get things done (sometimes
>through the messy means of making a ruckus), and when there have been 
>misunderstandings between sysops and INS he has helped solve problems in the
>past.  I greatly appreciate the good things he has done, and I'm appalled that
>so many people have overlooked this.

so we should let him be because he's been helpful in the past?  *laugh*

maybe we should have re-elected Bush because he was once a boy scout.

j.
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From: brown@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: cle.general,oh.general
Subject: Re: Public Project needs assitance?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:41:56 GMT
Organization: Subversive Student Publications un-inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: odin.ins.cwru.edu

In an earlier posting damin@randell.cba.csuohio.edu (Greg Boehnlein) writes:

>Is there anyone out there that can point me in the right direction? 



Which direction?


Anyway... Good to see you on the net. 

Sent you some email, but it bounced... "too many hops" Check your
forwarding and what not. 

Drop me a line. I have a couple suggestions.

Later.
Dan











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From: sjsobol@waffle.tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol)
Newsgroups: cle.general,oh.general
Subject: Re:  Loose Change Anyone?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:56:35 EST
Organization: The Tiny Software Company, Cleveland, OH

gavroche@nin.wariat.org (jamie rishaw) writes:

> WHY DOESN'T INS just start all over?  it'd be so much easier.  wipe the sigs
> clean.	kill all of the accounts and make everyone relog.  then we'd all be
> happy for another couple years ((until something like this happens again..))

Sorry. No. Absolutely, positively not.

The established groups are fine as they are. Killing everyone will just
get everyone *extremely* upset and many of them probably won't log back
in at all. I know I wouldn't. Why punish the general public for the
alleged wrongdoings of a few people?

This is like using a sledgehammer to do the work of a fly swatter.



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Newsgroups: oh.general,soc.motss
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Oh no, CO#2 headed for Ohio!  Where is Rev Neimoller?
Keywords: Colorado, Ohio, Equal rights, Attack
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:29:01 GMT

In article <C150KH.Gvn@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>It sounds to me like "gay civil rights" is an explicit recognition
>that gay people should enjoy the same rights and privileges as
>straight people.  And I'm more than happy to explain that to anyone
>who seems to believe otherwise.

But that is the problem with the terminology... we are both talking
about the same thing, but when the average Jane (sorry Jane) hears
"gay civil rights," she has this vision of special, different, and/or
superior rights.  Using the terminology "protection of equal rights"
drives home the fact that all we are asking is recognition of the real
and disturbing problem that our civil rights are being trampled on and
most people seem to applaude that sort of activity in the (unrightous)
name of morality, humanity, and religion.  We need to make sure that
the non-gay people get the message early that this is not a fight for
different and superior rights.  Using self-explanatory terminology has
got to be high on the priority list when vocalizing our positions.

>The "solution" of abandoning the phrase "civil rights" is not one that
>I find acceptable, however; it tastes like a kowtow.

The *please* consider "protection of equal gay and lesbian civil
rights"... the key is to get the word protection and equal in there.

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From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Oh no, CO#2 headed for Ohio!  Where is Rev Neimoller?
Keywords: Colorado, Ohio, Equal rights, Attack
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:34:28 GMT

In article <C150C1.Eru@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>Then when someone makes that mistake, we should correct them.  Not
>acquiesce and pretend that "civil rights" means something other than
>what it does.

THAT'S the mistake that they made in CO... by the time they tried to
correct the mistake being slung out by the Nazis, it was too late.  It
has to be a concerned effort from day one.  I think this is especially
important for any publicized rallies and demonstrations.  "Gay Rights"
is short and sweet, but doesn't explain anything.  The outsiders and
fence sitters don't seem to equate "Gay Rights" properly with
"recognition and protection of equal rights to gays and lesbians."
Some tend to think it means that we want the right to do the nasty
anyplace and anytime we want.


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|"No is yes, And we're all free" ---Tracy Chapman, "Why?"              |
|My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin  |
From: bf248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry Renault)
Newsgroups: cle.general,oh.general
Subject: Re: Loose Change Anyone?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 14:41:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bf248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry Renault)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, red@redpoll.neoucom.edu (Richard E. Depew) says:

>    According to long-standing usenet tradition, once the Nazis are
>invoked the thread has come to an end.

which, of course, seems to be the case.

>    In the future, please restrict the airing of local laundry to a
>local newsgroup.

in the future, please learn to to use a kill file or skip over threads
you don't want to read.

j.
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Newsgroups: cle.general,oh.general
From: red@redpoll.neoucom.edu (Richard E. Depew)
Subject: Re: Loose Change Anyone?
Followup-To: cle.general
Organization: Home in Munroe Falls, OH
Distribution: oh
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:00:56 GMT

In article <1jmrvpINN78o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bf248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Jerry Renault) writes:
[...]
>and i'm sure the KKK did wonderful community service projects when they
>weren't lynching blacks.  i'm sure the Nazi SS had neighborhood
>bake sales too.

    According to long-standing usenet tradition, once the Nazis are
invoked the thread has come to an end.

    In the future, please restrict the airing of local laundry to a
local newsgroup.

Thanks,
Dick Depew
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                                         and Mark Moraes in getabsdate.3
Xref: sparky oh.general:704 ba.general:5780 alt.bbs.internet:5183
From: bf248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry Renault)
Newsgroups: cle.general,oh.general,ba.general,alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re:  Loose Change Anyone?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 14:51:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bf248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry Renault)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, hlg@po.CWRU.Edu (Heather L. Garvey) says:

>	Shyah! Right! Like Grundner wrote ANY of FreePort! All CWRU got 
>from the original Freenet is the NAME and REPUTATION. From what old users
>of the original system tell me, it was nothing more than some piddly
>little BBS, just like those run by 8th-graders all over the nation. In
>fact, the software was *worse* than most and extremely painful and 
>frustrating to use. Tom didn't *make* ANY of CFN.

grundner is too fucking stupid to have written anything.  his small claim
to fame is to have happened to have been in an area (read: cleveland) which
had more than the national average of gullible and net.clueless people.
it's really CWRU-INS' own fault for not distancing itself from the old
monikers such as free-net and 'community telecomputing laboratory' (shyah,
as if grundner was some investigator - the only thing that he had up on his
lab bench was a one of his cohoorts, if you know what i mean).

>	Considering the fact that Grundner did diddly-squat for CFN
>after CWRU took care of it, (Remember, Freenet was DEAD when CWRU took
>it on. Without CWRU, it would not exist now.) he's real lucky they kept 
>him on and gave him a salary.

he's like a mentally-challenged relative that you let stay in the attic
out of the goodness of your heart.  

>	As someone already said, *anyone* can sit around and say "Gee,
>wouldn't community computing be a nifty idea?" Tom couldn't implement 
>this idea; why should he get all the credit for an idea thousands of 
>computer users have had, too?

he only gets credit because there are -still- a lot of people who don't
know a BBS from a hole in the ground.  and it's unfortunate that there are
still people who believe him because he's good at putting on a con job.

without his CWRU affiliation, his little organization will be running on
vapors instead of the 92 octane petrol it previously had.   my prediction
is that he'll hoodwink some poor school into backing him (can we say
youngstown?  beachwood public schools?).

the man should be deported for being a member of the '70s preservation
society.  oh the humanity.

j.
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Newsgroups: cle.general,oh.general
From: damin@randell.cba.csuohio.edu (Greg Boehnlein)
Subject: Public Project needs assitance?
Organization: Cleveland State University, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:08:01 GMT

	Hello all. This is my first posting to this newsgroup and I want to
make sure that it doesn't come off looking stupid.

I am the System Administrator of a local BBS system that is nationally
networking with 45 other systems. The software that I am running is a 
Shareware BBS package called FutureVision 5.0. I have been in close contact 
with the author of the software, Joshua Thompson, and we have been gradually
working on intergrating into the software full ISO 7 layer support.

In other words, each of our systems has a unique domain style address that 
conforms with the Internet standard of User_Name@machine.domain...

The software executes under the METAL (Mega Extensive Telecommunications
Application Language) environment published by Wilson Wares out of Columbus.

We are at the point now, where we need to establish a domain on the Internet
in order to begin testing our software with it. Unfortunately, none of us
have any significant access to a Unix machine whre we will be able to 
establish a domain for our network. 

Since our network is similar in concept to Fido (In that we use a store and 
forward approach as the Apple II series has not Ethernet or TC/PIP support
at this time.) we would need to find a host system that supports X/Y/Z modem
transfers.

Is there anyone out there that can point me in the right direction? 

We ARE poor and this is all being developed as a side project in order to 
bring our users more functionality. I have considered the possiblity
of addressing CWRU to find out if I could write a grant proposal to do 
such a project via them, but I think that for the meantime, I would rather
concentrate on working with a small system. Possibly a Linux or BSD 386
system with SLIP support or better yet, a direct link.

Am I touching base? Way off on a cloud? Please help this fellow Clevelander
get this project going. I am making absolutely NO money off of it (Neither
is the actual Author, Joshua) and I don't plan on it. I simply want to 
be able to maximize the use of my computer and investment time.


Xref: sparky oh.general:697 ba.general:5759 alt.bbs.internet:5154
From: hlg@po.CWRU.Edu (Heather L. Garvey)
Newsgroups: cle.general,oh.general,ba.general,alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re:  Loose Change Anyone?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:33:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: hlg@po.CWRU.Edu (Heather L. Garvey)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, gavroche@nin.wariat.org (jamie rishaw) says:

>"here, tommy.  help me make a central bbs for the students of case, and
>what the hell, let's allow outsiders in, too.. you know.. good PR."
>
>(a couple years later after everything is running smoothly)..
>
>"wow.. looks like freenet is doing pretty good.. thanks, tommy!  oh,
>and you and your little organization can pack up and leave, now.. we
>don't need your help anymore.."
>
>* sigh *

	Shyah! Right! Like Grundner wrote ANY of FreePort! All CWRU got 
from the original Freenet is the NAME and REPUTATION. From what old users
of the original system tell me, it was nothing more than some piddly
little BBS, just like those run by 8th-graders all over the nation. In
fact, the software was *worse* than most and extremely painful and 
frustrating to use. Tom didn't *make* ANY of CFN.
	Considering the fact that Grundner did diddly-squat for CFN
after CWRU took care of it, (Remember, Freenet was DEAD when CWRU took
it on. Without CWRU, it would not exist now.) he's real lucky they kept 
him on and gave him a salary.
	As someone already said, *anyone* can sit around and say "Gee,
wouldn't community computing be a nifty idea?" Tom couldn't implement 
this idea; why should he get all the credit for an idea thousands of 
computer users have had, too?


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From: sjsobol@waffle.tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol)
Newsgroups: cle.general,oh.general,cle.config
Subject: Re: Public Project needs assitance?
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 23:06:45 EST
Organization: The Tiny Software Company, Cleveland, OH

trier@slc6.ins.cwru.edu (Stephen C. Trier) writes:

> Followups to cle.config, please.

> Beyond that, you'll probably have the most luck with area UUCP sites.  There
> are a lot of them, many of them have "gone domain" already, and most are
> willing to offer more feeds.  You'll have the easiest time if you are willing
> to speak UUCP to them, but some of them might be willing to consider other
> protocols.  To find area UUCP sites, go look in comp.mail.maps for the
> u.usa.oh.1 and u.usa.oh.2 UUCP maps and look through them for sites in the
> area.


Tiny (tiny.com) may be able to do it if it is low-volume. I'm always
interested in testing new stuff. Plus I have a FQDN and can set up a
subdomain easily.

It will have to be low volume though.

regards
  Steve


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Newsgroups: cle.general,oh.general
From: red@redpoll.neoucom.edu (Richard E. Depew)
Subject: Re: Loose Change Anyone?
Followup-To: cle.general
Keywords: reputation
Organization: Home in Munroe Falls, OH
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:12:24 GMT

In article <1k0u6tINN2aj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bf248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Jerry Renault) writes:
>
>In a previous article, red@redpoll.neoucom.edu (Richard E. Depew) says:
[...]
>>    In the future, please restrict the airing of local laundry to a
>>local newsgroup.
>
>in the future, please learn to to use a kill file or skip over threads
>you don't want to read.

     You'd rather be kill-file fodder than listen to a friendly
suggestion?

     I'll try one more time... with a bit of commentary so you may
figure out why it is in *your* interest to be a bit more circumspect
in your choice of newsgroups.

     The net is very skeptical forum, and its currency is *personal
reputation*.  The most valuable thing each of us has is our
reputation.  We can increase our reputations by contributing to the
net... by asking interesting questions, offering useful answers,
sharing good humor, etc.  Through their postings, I have come to value
the advice and opinions of quite a few people in the Cleveland area,
even when I don't always agree (and on the net, there will always be
a few people who will disagree -  that's only natural).  On the other
hand, there are a few people who insist on ignoring the conventions of
the net that lead to polite and informative discourse.  Such people
ultimately acquire such a negative reputation that few if any netters
will ever take them seriously again.  John Palmer should suffice as an
example of this latter breed.  When he first appeared, several
netters, including myself, attempted to offer some advice on how he
might make amends for his initial blunders.  His response to me was,
"who appointed you net cop"?  He just couldn't take advice.  Too bad.
To say he lost his reputation is putting it very mildly.  :-)
     
     When you challenge someone else's reputation you are putting
your own on the line.  Be careful.  We only know you through what you
post and where you post it.  IMHO, What you have posted in this thread
to date does not reflect well on you.  It might be wise to reconsider
your approach.

Sincerely,
Dick Depew
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Xref: sparky oh.general:698 oh.news:72
From: trier@slc6.ins.cwru.edu (Stephen C. Trier)
Newsgroups: oh.general,oh.news
Subject: Where to post UUCP maps info?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:40:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland OH (USA)
Distribution: oh
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc6.ins.cwru.edu

Hello, all!

From time to time it would be useful to post information about the Ohio
UUCP maps to a group in the oh.* distribution.  It's not clear what group
is the right one for this.

Any preferences?

Right now, oh.general looks good (unless someone speaks up and says I
should use some other group).  Concievably we could create a new group
(oh.uucp?) for UUCP-related traffic, but I do not really think there is
a need.

I don't plan to post intensive amounts of information.  My total map-
related traffic might attain the scandalous levels of two posts a month.
:-)

Opinions welcome.

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Newsgroups: oh.general,soc.motss