From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date:  2 Sep 92 03:51:52 GMT

In <1992Sep2.024859.795@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <vanyel.715396480@camelot>
>vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>>In <1992Sep2.000759.22319@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
>>ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>>>The world is full of people who don't think.
>>Yes.  You're one of them, obviously.
>In brief, if we're the Devil, are you God?

Not by a long shot, and if you *really* think that's what I mean, you need
a long soak in a hot tub.  And I'm primarily talking about your head.

>Because, Alan, you are not hearing the message, distracted
>as you are by your reactions to the messenger.  Your
>response here is a nonresponse.  It doesn't take up any of
>the issues.

What *is* the issue, Jess?  That I don't think like you do?  That my
personal preferences, formed with the foreknowledge that something could
change them, are *wrong*?

>Why do you think we're talking to you at all?  Do you
>*seriously* believe we're trying to fulfill our ego-needs
>(good lord, there are so many much easier ways!)?  Do you
>think we're making these arguments for sport (there are
>better, more immediately rewarding ones)?  Do you think we
>are playing a mind-game (it's way too simple for that)?

No.  I think you're doing it because you can't stand the thought that
someone thinks differently from you.  That threatens your little
PC-activist mindset.  Remember that word, "phobia"?  Gee, Jess, it's
starting to sound like it applies to *you*, too.

>>I don't like "nelly" behavior.  Period.
>I'm sure they know that in Tibet by now.  You wear it like
>a badge.

And you wear like a badge this wrong-thinking-is-punishable attitude that
makes you out to be *such* a fucking *saint*, don't you?

If you can't accept my dislike of a certain type of behavior, that's *your*
problem.  *I* don't let it cloud my impressions of other people.

>>And while you're out getting that mirror, take your
>>one-sided my-word-is-law bullshit with you.
>I don't doubt for a minute that our-word-is-law is what
>you're hearing.  It's entirely on that level that you react.
>But it happens not to be what we're saying.  Neither of us
>has said anything *at all* like that in this thread.

Har.  Tell me a new one.

*sigh* Once again, Jess, you've decided that problem lies in *me* and in
nothing else.  Give it a rest.  It might be nice if, for a change, I didn't
continually hear "It's your problem" and "You're wrong."  Maybe, if you'd
pay a little attention, you'd see that.  As it stands, however, you and
your cohorts can't do anything more than spout your traditional groupthink
messages.  Grow up a little, wouldja?

>You don't see, then, how your mind has managed to fashion a
>way of not letting these ideas exist, even provisionally,
>inside itself?  Apparently it can't, because that would
>threaten (as in phobia) something it seems to cherish very
>highly: that you are *better* than nelly people (as in
>homophobia).

And since when did I say anything about being better than "nelly" people?
You're twisting and distorting what I *have* said into a bizarre picture
painted with the intent of showing the world what a sin I've committed by
having a personal dislike.

>That you think it has something to do with Ry or with me or
>with others who've commented on this, when obviously it
>doesn't, should *at least* tell you *something*.  If
>homophobia were not involved, you would be neutral about
>nelly people, qua nelly.  Since you're not neutral, not by a
>long shot, then I guess there's *something* to be
>considered, isn't there?

Oh, really?  I've said *continually* that I don't like a certain form of
*behavior*.  Period.  You've chosen to extend this beyond that comment and
continually accuse me of latent homophobia because I actually, Havens
forbid, have a *preference* about something.  What's *your* problem, Jess?
Why *must* I be neutral about a particular kind of behavior, hmm?

>As for me, this is it for this round.  There are other
>things to do.

Like sticking your head back in the sand until you think the world agrees
with your way of thinking.

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