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From: bm665@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay Robert Hauben)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,misc.misc,soc.misc,sci.bio
Subject: Amateur Archeology & Today's Net (was What a Strange Newsgroup)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 03:50:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bm665@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay Robert Hauben)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, danr@ais.org (Daniel Romanchik) says:

>
>What a strange newsgroup this has turned out to be.  I suggest you
>change the name to alt.amateur.politics or alt.soapbox.hauben.
>

     The alt.amateur-comp newsgroup carries on the tradition of 
the Flint Sit-Down strikers who encouraged full debate over all 
topics of interest and importance to workers. Why does that 
offend Daniel?
 
     The Amateur Computerist newsletter was founded five years 
ago to discuss the importance of the computer revolution. We now 
understand that that includes the telecommunications revolution 
as well. Lewis Morgan and his study of ancient society have been 
discussed in the newsletter, especially the importance of new 
technology to social development. This archeological perspective 
has been helpful by pointing to a possible comparison of today's 
developments with previous technological breakthroughs like the 
utilization of fire or the smelting of iron. In his book, Ancient 
Society, Morgan writes:
 
   The process of smelting of iron ore was the invention of 
   inventions,... besides which all other inventions and 
   discoveries hold a subordinate position. Mankind, 
   notwithstanding a knowledge of bronze, were still arrested in 
   their progress for the want of efficient metallic tools, and 
   for the want of sufficient strength and hardness for 
   mechanical appliances. All these qualities were found for the 
   first time in iron. The accelerated progress of human 
   intelligence dates from this invention...
                   
            (Kerr edition, p 549)
 
Perhaps the spanning of the globe with a many-to-many 
communications net like Usenet News will play a similar role of 
accelerating the progress of human interaction, oversight of 
government, and intellectual development.
 
     But Daniel seems upset by this broard perspective. Does he 
have another perspective by which he feels we could better 
understand developments like Usenet News? Wouldn't his posting a 
serious statement of his study and understanding better serve the 
debate than his trivial suggestion about changing the name of the 
alt.amateur-comp newsgroup?

Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,misc.misc,sci.econ,alt.activism,soc.culture.usa
From: forbis@stein.u.washington.edu (Gary Forbis)
Subject: Re: FAR future programs
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:15:35 GMT

I don't know if I should respond to this article.  I'm going to ignore
most of it because I see no reason to respond to ad hominem attacks.  I
hope I am focussing on some thoughtful portions of the article.

In article <37539@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu (James F. Hranicky) writes:
[text deleted]
>>: - Automation is a good thing
>I agree.
>>: - Higher wages which lead to more automation is a good thing
>Pushing up nominal wages above the market price hurts production.

I'm not sure I understand this.  It seems to me that pushing up wages
pushes up production costs, making automation more viable.  I'm not sure
what you mean by your statement but I assume you mean increased costs reduce
return on investment at a given sales price.  Demand is a function of price
so if one tries to recover additional cost by increasing price demand will 
decrease.  If this is not what you meant maybe you could explain your 
statement.

>>: - Shorter work hours accompanied by job-sharing is a good thing.
>Totally wrong. The depression the the 30's lasted so long because of this
>mentality.

I'm not sure I've ever heard this before.  Can you cite any authorities
who make such an assertion.

[junk deleted]

>Capitalism is spat upon. I wonder if those who spit upon
>Capitalism spit upon all the nice luxuries it provides (lengthened life
>span, high standard of living, drastic reduction in poverty, etc.)

Could you support this claim.  I'm not sure capitalism provides these things
or if we happen to have obtained these things and the US happens to practice
a form of capitalism.  Can you show a causal link?

>Jim Hranicky (jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu

please tone down you article so they are less of a mad dog attack and more
of a rational exchange.

--gary forbis@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,misc.misc,soc.misc,sci.bio
From: danr@ais.org (Daniel Romanchik)
Subject: What a Strange Newsgroup (Was: Amateur Archeology...)
Organization: UMCC
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:03:31 GMT


What a strange newsgroup this has turned out to be.  I suggest you
change the name to alt.amateur.politics or alt.soapbox.hauben.
From: ajt@oregon.uoregon.edu (Anthony Tilke)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
Subject: test
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:35:59 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: mjn2.uoregon.edu

this is a test, please ignore it.
From: bobp@hal.com (Bob Pendleton)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
Subject: Re: Amateur Archeology & Today's Net (was What a Strange Newsgroup)
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:30:26 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.

From article <1dkn5mINNiba@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by bm665@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay Robert Hauben):
> 
> In a previous article, danr@ais.org (Daniel Romanchik) says:
> 
>>
>>What a strange newsgroup this has turned out to be.  I suggest you
>>change the name to alt.amateur.politics or alt.soapbox.hauben.
>>
> 
>      The alt.amateur-comp newsgroup carries on the tradition of 
> the Flint Sit-Down strikers who encouraged full debate over all 
> topics of interest and importance to workers. Why does that 
> offend Daniel?

Perhaps because the name of the group is "alt.amateur-comp" most
reasonable people would expect it to be a place where "amateur
computing" is discussed. That, you see, is a usenet tradition, name a
news group for what it discusses.

Now, I've been skimming this group since it started. You see, I get
paid to do computing, and have a lot of experience in the field. I
figured if this was a place that amateurs were going to hang out that
maybe an "old hand" could be of help from time to time. Not to mention
the fact that amateurs and newbies often have valuable alternative
views of things. Getting your world view shaken up every couple of
days tends to keep you flexible. And in a field where the half life of
knowledge is about 2 years, you stay flexible or you die.

But, what do I find here?

I don't find discussions of amateur computing. 

I find discussions of the labor movement. I have some sympathy for the
labor movement. There are a lot of hard rock miners in my ancestry.
But, that isn't amateur computing. 

I haven't seen a single article in the group that relates to its name.
A good name for this group would be alt.labor-movement, or perhaps
alt.flint_sit-down_strikers. But, alt.amateur-comp? No, this isn't
about amateur computing.

I like what you are doing, but the name does not describe what you are
doing and it is going to be a constant irritant and source of
disappointment for people who drop in to see what is being discussed
here.

What's happening is something I've seen happen many times before.
You've jumped into a new world, but you're still acting like you're in
Flint. Let me tell you, you aren't in Flint any more. You're out in
the big wide net.world. If you're going to have to learn how this
world works.

				Bob P.

P.S.

You might have noticed, most of the people on the net have no idea why
anyone would ever want to join a union. Many, if not most, would
refuse a job if they had to join a union to get the job. Think about
it.
-- 
Bob Pendleton             | As an engineer I hate to hear:
bobp@hal.com              |   1) You've earned an "I told you so."
Speaking only for myself. |   2) Our customers don't do that.
                   <<< Odin, after the well of Mimir. >>>
From: danr@ais.org (Daniel Romanchik)
Subject: Re: Amateur Archeology & Today's Net (was What a Strange Newsgroup)
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:17:53 GMT

In article <1dkn5mINNiba@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bm665@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay Robert Hauben) writes:
>
>In a previous article, danr@ais.org (Daniel Romanchik) says:
>
>>
>>What a strange newsgroup this has turned out to be.  I suggest you
>>change the name to alt.amateur.politics or alt.soapbox.hauben.
>>
>
>     The alt.amateur-comp newsgroup carries on the tradition of 
>the Flint Sit-Down strikers who encouraged full debate over all 
>topics of interest and importance to workers. Why does that 
>offend Daniel?
>

   Please accept my apology. My comment was out of line. 
However, I do think you should change the name of the newsgroup to
more accurately reflect the discussions here. amateur-comp is not a
good name for this group, nor do I think Amateur Compterist a good
name for your newsletter. 
   In fact, you would probably be better off taking this discussion to
a newsgroup like comp.society.futures or soc.futures.  The alt.*
hierarchies are not as widely distributed as the other groups.

And let me throw out another zinger while I'm at it.  Workers will
never be truly free until they stop thinking of themselves as
"workers."

Regards, Dan
Newsgroups: alt.manga
From: davros@draco.unm.edu (Seymour Butt)
Subject: Looking for Live Action tapes
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:44:26 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


>>  I dont know if this is the correct place for this
>>  so no flams please.
>>
    I am looking for live action films from japan
    that are either japanese or dubbed in english
    like dynaman, ultraman, etc.

    -ketan-

-- 
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From: t_yamasi@hoffman.cc.sophia.ac.jp (Yamashiki Tsuyoshi)
Newsgroups: alt.manga
Subject: Afternoon (Was: Kuradaruma)
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:38:51 GMT
Organization: Computer Center, Sophia Univ., Tokyo, Japan

Afternoon, Magical Super Asia/Deep and Beautiful Asia
(which is correct?) spoiler alert.

In article <axolotl.720954645@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au writes:
> -  the Ideal Leader summons Nan-Mou-Tien [Demon World West King].

Actually it appeared on its own to ask its son (the Ideal Leader)
why he didn't summon it to aid him.

> -  Hyakubee is being manipulated by the Ideal Leader's second in command,
>  who is performing some Taoist(?) ritual.  He has an encounter with this
>  "blender man" who shreds him, but he makes a complete recovery.  Don't
>  know why though.

The Magician exchanged fortune of Hyakubee and the Ideal Leader.
Thus Hyakubee had to suffer the torture that the Leader had been
suffering every day.  It's the way the Leader compensate for
leaving his father and upsetting the whole Hell (or whatever).
Whether the Leader was born there or his father went there after-
wards isn't told.
BTW the "blender man" as you wrote was a cop who was killed in
the first episode due to Hyakubee's bad luck, after Hyakubee
helped him.  Rememberd him?

> -  the Fortune Leader's bomber crashes into the Ideal Leader's house,
>  but the Ideal Leader is prepared.  He has this huge log/barrel with
>  thousands of kanji painted on the inside, and manages to cripple the
>  Fortune Leader.  Don't know how though.

He's acting just like Hyakubee.  Since he possessed the power of
bad luck of Hyakubee, the power of good luck of the FL had decreased.
That's what he realized in the last issue.

> -  A side-effect of this is that the Ideal Leader's grand building project
>  collapses in rubble.  So he orders his Machine General to kill the architect,
>  but the General rebels and...  [insert explanation here]  )

The General was disappointed deeply because the IL has apparently
sufferd from the bad luck of Hyakubee and acted emotionally, which
he never did, while Hyakubee had been very healthy spiritually despite
of his bad luck.  The General opened his head gear to accept the
IL's blow (which might have killed him), and said he rather wanted
to die rather than knowing the IL was spiritually inferior to Hyakubee.
Then asked the IL if he really was.  So the IL has regained his usual
calmness, and recognised Hyakubee may be the toughest foe.

Pardon my English (again) but I can't help when it seems I can
help somebody!
-- 
Tsuyoshi Yamashiki, lost boy in cyber space.
Newsgroups: alt.manga
From: s92458km@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Kunio Muto)
Subject: Another Revelation..... 
Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus.
Distribution: alt.manga
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:00:11 GMT


	Yes, this is the Kunedog, one of the prophets of the great
Manga god..... He cam in presence yesterday when I was reading Super
Jump... He told me to spread the good news how cool Super Jump is... I
used to pick up Super Jump from the trash or just read it at the
bookstore, but yesterday, I somehow bought it for some odd reason....
(It might have been the sleazy cover that appealed to me.)
Nevertheless, as I was reading it on my way to school on the train,
this Manga god told me that people read more of this, since it has
some cool stories like Mikistri and Zero and stuff. Furthermore,
Tatsuya Egawa, the guy who used to do Taruruto-kun does this story
called Golden Boy (which some of you should be familiar with), with
women and all... So I tell you people, go get Super Jump, sine it's
far better than Business Jump and maybe Young Jump as well...... 

--
				The kunedog (s92458km@sfc.keio.ac.jp)
				Freshman, Keio Univ. SFC. 
				Faculty of Policy Management 
Newsgroups: alt.manga
From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: But? What about Rec.arts.manga?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 02:07:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.160057.1737@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>Uhh...what makes this newsgroup different from Rec.arts.manga?
>
>Or did I just step on a political mine?:)

alt.manga is the leftovers after rec.arts.manga was created.  Now, it's
Dave Mou's private newsgroup to post wierd things. ^_-
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From: tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.manga
Subject: Re: Kuradaruma
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:16:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <axolotl.720954645@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au writes:
>
>OK, now I'm REALLY interested.  I know you both have a scanner, so use
>your good judgement and get some pages on the net.  Or send me photocopies,
>I'm not fussy. :-)

Well, KuraDharma is now in the evil hands of dnab. :) You'll have yo
wait until I get it back from him. :-)

>I added these to the Guide, and also found 
>Dark World Doll Levi Door/ $@L=3&?M7A%l%t%#!&%I!<%k(B (1990, v1F).
>I misread "Burst" as "Bust" :-)

Levi Doll is one of very few Shibata works that I haven't read yet.
That's why I didn't put it on the list. :(


Tonghyun "Vajra" Kim
Operation X/UC Herald
tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu


Newsgroups: alt.manga
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Subject: Re: Kuradaruma
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: Megami Jimusho
Date:  5 Nov 92 09:10:45 GMT


tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim) writes:
 >Most of Shibata's mangas are GREAT, although Blue Sonnet and
 >KuraDharma are my two favorites. I highly recommend Blue Sonnet to
 >anyone who loves great art, action (& violence), SF and complex plots.
 >In a way, Blue Sonnet is one of the ultimate psychic action manga.

OK, now I'm REALLY interested.  I know you both have a scanner, so use
your good judgement and get some pages on the net.  Or send me photocopies,
I'm not fussy. :-)

 >Here is the list of his mangas (incomplete):

I added these to the Guide, and also found 
Dark World Doll Levi Door/ $@L=3&?M7A%l%t%#!&%I!<%k(B (1990, v1F).
I misread "Burst" as "Bust" :-)

(BTW, Dave, don't say MJ is defunct -- it isn't, I'm just waiting for
exams/mangaka feedback, HH is waiting for Japan, and Patrick is waiting
for ...???  Make yourself useful and do some work on Fukaku Utsukushiki Asia
vol.1.)

(What happened in Afternoon 12?  Eeto..
 -  the Ideal Leader summons Nan-Mou-Tien [Demon World West King].
  Don't know why though.  

 -  Hyakubee is being manipulated by the Ideal Leader's second in command,
  who is performing some Taoist(?) ritual.  He has an encounter with this
  "blender man" who shreds him, but he makes a complete recovery.  Don't
  know why though.

 -  the Fortune Leader's bomber crashes into the Ideal Leader's house,
  but the Ideal Leader is prepared.  He has this huge log/barrel with
  thousands of kanji painted on the inside, and manages to cripple the
  Fortune Leader.  Don't know how though.

 -  A side-effect of this is that the Ideal Leader's grand building project
  collapses in rubble.  So he orders his Machine General to kill the architect,
  but the General rebels and...  [insert explanation here]  )



--
 Iain Sinclair    axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.manga
From: scotth@hoshi.corp.sgi.com (Scott Henry)
Subject: Re: Video Girl Ai Manga Translations Request
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:00:21 GMT


>>>>> In article <83279@ut-emx.uucp>, chunger@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chung-Mau Cheng) writes:

In article <83279@ut-emx.uucp> chunger@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chung-Mau Cheng) writes:

chunger> Well, I've been trying to get ahold of the Video Girl Ai
chunger> Manga translations or synopsis for a while now, but I have
chunger> yet to succeed. Can anyone tell me where I can get them?
chunger> Please E-mail all responses and please DO NOT SEND THE TEXTS
chunger> THEMSELVES (I imagine they can take up quite a bit of space).
chunger> Thanks very much!

As I expect that others (like me) are interested also, if anyone knows
of translations for Video Girl Ai, how about posting them or naming an
FTP site?

=-=-=-=
--
 Scott Henry <scotth@sgi.com> / Just Another Anime & Manga Fan
From: chri4000@w254zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Christian Klass)
Newsgroups: alt.manga
Subject: AnimeStuff?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 10:40:11 GMT
Organization: ZRZ der TU-Berlin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: w254zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de


Hello there,
what happend to the electronic magazine ANIME STUFF????
It appears to be stopped since `91 or so!?!
Please tell me....

Greetings,
          Chris
Newsgroups: alt.manga
From: is_s440@kingston.ac.uk (Simon Lucas)
Subject: manga : suggestions wanted
Organization: Kingston University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:02:04 GMT

(summary: suggestions for quality manga and anime wanted)

I have noted that at last some manga titles are finding their way into the 
shops over here (uk), and I have found a couple of mail-order addresses.
The problem is that 
a. the shops usually stock the more conventional/commercial stuff.
b. it is impossible to order from mail order suppliers if you dont know
what you are looking for.

I know that the Japanese produce all sorts of manga covering all aspects
of life within many sub-genres. For me it doesn't have to be mecha-based
or fantasy, I dont mind. I would rather have original non-colored, 
non-cleaned-up (for prudish western minds) but it would be nice if I could
read it as well. I also am interested in anime suggestions 
(eg. the sensualist), preferably sub-titled. 
I very much like Utamaro, Hokusai (woodcut) and Oshima (film) and really 
want stuff that can live up to that quality in graphics or else in 
strong/black humor and/or story-lines. I am particularly interested in the 
erotic (but not to the exclusion of all else) rather than the purely violent.

Can you afficiandos suggest a few titles I can look out for.I have Orion
and like this much more than the silent mobius, venus wars type stuff which
seems at the glance i gave it in the book shop to have pretty tame artwork
and inane story-lines. I know I want to get appleseed and black magick, but
what else? I have heard of some stuff called creamy lemon or lemon 
cheese-cake or ?


thanks for any suggestions

Simon Lucas

ps. are there any good mail order suppliers in the states that would 
deal with me?
Newsgroups: alt.manga
From: luke@seanews.akita.com (James Luther Toole)
Subject: All Creamy Lemon Video enthusiasts
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:14:59 GMT

Hi, I'm looking for any and all Cream Lemon VHS format copies available/s

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Newsgroups: alt.manga
From: chiu@alumni.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: But? What about Rec.arts.manga?
Summary: ...?
Originator: chiu@alumni
Organization: University of California Society of Electrical Engineers
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:59:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.020745.13800@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.160057.1737@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>>Uhh...what makes this newsgroup different from Rec.arts.manga?
>>
>>Or did I just step on a political mine?:)

>alt.manga is the leftovers after rec.arts.manga was created.  Now, it's
>Dave Mou's private newsgroup to post wierd things. ^_-

Dave M., I think you've been insulted. :) But then again, it takes weird people
to read weird things Albert. (^_^)

>| Albert Wong                                                               |

-Dave C.
From: dmou@orion.oac.uci.edu (David Mou)
Subject: Re: But? What about Rec.arts.manga?
Newsgroups: alt.manga
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Nov 92 05:11:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.020745.13800@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.160057.1737@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>>Uhh...what makes this newsgroup different from Rec.arts.manga?
>>
>>Or did I just step on a political mine?:)
>
>alt.manga is the leftovers after rec.arts.manga was created.

Leftovers?!!  It's not even Thanksgiving yet.

The purpose of alt.manga is, like the title says, for alternative manga 
discussions (ie things strange, unheard of, bizarre, and generally unsuitable
for r.a.m.).  Nowadays it's a relatively noise-free area compare to 
you-know-what.  It serves other purposes as well......


>Now, it's Dave Mou's private newsgroup to post wierd things. ^_-

.... indeed.  I visit two places on daily basis, and one of them is the 
bathroom.

BUT ALBERT!  Is spelling out my name really necessary.....?  You might be
denting my otherwise delicate reputation.


Let's see, KuraDharuma is by Shibata Masahiro, on Young King Comics.  Published
by Shonen Gahousha. Y500, 7 vols.  It's the kind of manga you'd have to sit 
down with it for 10 minutes, sort of like Sazan Eyes.


--
						dmou@orion.oac.uci.edu
						ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu

			Isn't it nice to have a noisegroup all by yourself?
Newsgroups: alt.manga
From: bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield)
Subject: No more for sale
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:25:42 GMT


Everything's been sold except for the Ninja High School comics. PLEASE 
don't email me. I got at LEAST 30 posts within 5 hours of me leaving my 
FOR SALE post.  Unless you want the Ninja HS comics, please, no more 
email! If you were lucky enough to be the first, you'll have alrady 
received my mail in reply to you (but I did reply to each email back, so 
wait for the reply if you haven't received it yet).
:::::Larry:::::



--
Larry Greenfield (bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
Newsgroups: alt.manga