From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Super Power in new century and Yellow Peril
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 03:03:25 GMT

In article <ROTEN.92Dec22174024@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov> roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov
(Charles Roten) writes:
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>In the very likely event that China terrorizes another nation (like 
>>possibly the Republic of Taiwan in the future), that Japanese prime 
>>minister can, with the cooperation of the USA, successfully direct its 
>>military forces to send the Chinese armies to Almighty God.
>Unbelievable !  
>I have summed up the strategic balance across the Taiwan Strait before, 
>[explanation as to why China will not terrorize Taiwan deleted]

My point is not to engage in a discussion of whether or not China
will terrorize Taiwan; however, we should note that many--possibly
the majority of--Taiwanese-ge believe that China will invade Taiwan
if it should declare itself independent.

Currently, there is no political entity called Taiwan.  The Taiwan
political situation is the result of a civil war that has never officially
ended between the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) on the mainland and the
Kuomitang (KMT) on the island.  The USA and most of the world has already
recognized the CCP gov't, and since the Taiwanese-ge have been too chicken
to declare their independence, the entire region of the mainland and
the island of Taiwan are under the jurisdiction of the CCP.  (As a
side note, the USA should not be selling fighters or dealing, in any
way, with the gov't on Taiwan.  The legitimate gov't of Taiwan is the
CCP, whether you like it or not.  We Americans, as did most of the
world, recognized the CCP as the legitimate gov't, and we should abide
by our decision.  If the Taiwanese-ge are too chicken, compared to
the Tibetans, to declare themselves independent, then they should accept the
consequences.)

In any event, this does not preclude the possiblity of Taiwan declaring
independence in the future[1].  Let's suppose that happens.  What I am
saying is that (1) _if_ Taiwan declares independence and (2) _if_
China invades, using nuclear and conventional weapons (which China
has repeatedly threatened to do), Japan in cooperation with the USA
should use the full power of their military might to send all the Chinese
armies back to Almighty God.

Of course, Mr. Roten might object and insist on a trial period for
Chinese withdrawal of military forces from Taiwan.  No.  That is not
acceptable in the least.  For 45+ years, the world has waited for the
CCP troops to withdraw from Tibet, which has (unlike Taiwan) declared
itself to be independent, yet the Chinese-cu troops continue to maim
and rape Tibetan women and children.

[1] Congratulations are due to the DPP, the party favoring indepedence
in Taiwan.  The DPP more than _doubled_ its representation in the
legislature despite the KMT's attempts to buy votes; the San Francisco
Chronicle and other newspapers reported that the KMT paid an average of
$80 per vote (if memory serves.)

>I should also mention that in China, nationalism is alive and well, thank 
>you.  The PLA would find recruitment after a Japanese (!!!!!) or 
>Japanese/American move against the mainland about as easy as the US Army 
>found it on December _8_, 1941 !!!  There are a number of folks in that 
>country who are still not sure they should forgive the US its support of 
>Chiang Kai-Shek.  And there are a _GREAT_ _MANY_ who would be more than 
>happy to take the field against Japan, given a good enough reason.  

And there are a great many Asian-Americans who would volunteer to
fight the Chinese-cu devils that invade the Republic of Taiwan.
I have no doubt in my mind that non-Chinese-cu Asian-Americans would
condemn the slaughter of Taiwanese-ge by Chinese-cu troops; these
same non-Chinese-cu Asian-Americans have condemned the slaughter of
Tibetans by the Chinese-cu.

I have no doubt in my mind that some of those UN paratroopers, attempting
to free Taiwan from China, will be Asian-Americans committed to the defense
of freedom.  They will not hesitate to kill Chinese-cu in order to stop
the slaughter of Taiwanese-ge women and children.

It's regretable that so many Taiwanese-ge believe that the USA will not
help them if they declare independence, and many do want independence.
I direct their attention to the US military efforts in Somalia.   I
also direct their attention to Prime Minister John Major's call for a
united military front against the Serbian agression in Bosnia.

The Chinese-cu Chinese-ge are only trying to hoodwink and lie to the
Taiwanese when they claim that the West will not help unless there is
a vital economic interest at state.  B*llsh*t.  What kind of vital
economic interest does Somalia pose for the USA?  Virtually none, yet
Americans want to help.  Asian-Americans want to help.

Asian-Americans would not hesitate to help Taiwan if it declares
independence.  If China ever dares to invade Taiwan, some Asian-Americans
will help by volunteering to fight; others will help by working in weapons
research to ensure that the kill ratio of Westerners to Chinese-cu will
be as high as technically feasible.

>>Of course, Japan can do certain things to postpone the day when Chinese 
>>armies are sent back to their Creator.  For example, weakening China 
>>politically would be one route; this can be accomplished by using 
>>Japanese (and American) financial and political leverage to force the 
>>secession of Manchuria as an independent nation whose official language 
>>would be Japanese or English.  Manchuria could then be renamed to 
>>somethng like "Shinkoku", and the people would be called "Shinkoku-jin".
>Thank you for the suggestion, Dwight Tojo.  

Mr. Roten is starting to sound a little Chinese-cu.

>Do you seriously think either the Japanese or American goverments would 
>even CONSIDER paying the diplomatic and political costs of such a move, 

Let's think about this.  Let's not be hypocrites.

If you (readers) supported the American meddling in the Soviet Union
to keep it from harrassing other nations, then you should also support
American and Japanese meddling to stop Chinese agression.  Let's not
be racists like some Chinese-cu Chinese-ge; they supported American
meddling in Soviet affairs but condemn meddling in Chinese-cu affairs.

Note that I said, "this [weakening China politically] can be accomplished
by using Japanese (and American) financial and political leverage to
force the secession of Manchuria."  This is entirely feasible proposition,
and I am not calling for military force.  That's the whole point of this
pre-emptive action; its purpose is to eliminate any need for a military
strike that would cost too many American and Japanese lives--even the loss
of 1 life is too many by the standards of human decency.

Let's take a lesson from what the USA did during the Cold War with regards
to the Soviet Union.

(1) Create Voice of Japan (VOJ) --analogous to Radio Free Europe (?).
VOJ and VOA (voice of America) would beam the following programs directly
into Manchuria:
(a) English language programming
(b) Japanese language programming
(c) Japanese-cultural programming (in Mandarian and Japanese)
(d) Western-cultural programming (in Mandarian and English)
(e) independence oriented programming to tie (a), (b), (c), and (d).
    The theme is that "You can be who you want to be.  Even if you
    are Chinese-ge, you can be Japanese-cu.  People should be free to
    identify with any culture that they desire.  People, of their own
    free will, can declare their land to be independent.  This is the
    right of self-determination that President Wilson originally proposed."

(2) Direct Japanese and American business investment directly into
Manchuria.  Concentrate on Manchuria.  Currently, the Japanese and
the Koreans are already doing this.  Raise the standard of living so
that communication devices (i.e. radios) can be easily purchased by
anyone in Manchuria; this will facilitate item #1 above.

(3) If necessary, provide tax credits to companies that are willing to set
up schools for Chinese-ge families to learn about the West and Japan. 
Teach the stuff in item #1.  Note that what they are being taught is
not propaganda; it is the truth.  This is vastly different from that
Chinese-cu propaganda on Beijing TV (ugh!).

(4) ...

Note that this plan utilizes precisely what I said:  financial and
political leverage.  The benefits to Japan and America are obvious:
a democratically free and independent Manchuria, now called "Shinkoku",
that presents yet another market for our goods.  It's a win win situation.
Note that the winner is also the Chinese-ge people in Shinkoku.

The only potential loser is Chinese-cu culture and Chinese-cu gov't.

>in view of the PLA's present status as a non-threat to any of her 
>neighbors with a modern army and air force ?  Forget it, fella !  
>Rational leaders take risks in proportion to 1) perceived threat (nil), 
>2) probability of success (IMO, minimal to zip), and 3) political/economic 
>cost (DAMNED high, especially for Japan, who has too many neighbors who 
>haven't forgiven her pre-1945 excesses already).  

See above.

> [Dave's objections deleted]
>>I have come to the conclusion that Dwight Joe is very ill.
>He also clearly knows less about military or political affairs than one of 
>my cats.  Jeez, how clueless can you get ????  

Mr. Roten sounds a bit Chinese-cu to me.

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