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From: sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate)
Subject: Re: JLA
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:28:10 GMT

jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:

>In article <mumble> dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek) writes:

>>	After picking up this weeks JLA, I say it
>>has gotten alot better. ( Guy's back :). Will we

>Well, anything is a step up, IMHO, from the characterizations in the
>Starbreaker story arc.  I actually didn't gag on Superman's behavior
>this time around!

>I had originally decided that I wasn't going to pick up JLA anymore,
>but I did want to see how the Guy/Superman conflict was handled in
>this issue and it wasn't done too badly...certainly better than I
>expected.  

The lack of coordination between the Green Lantern team and the JLA team did
bother me.  In Green Lantern 25, Ice is moony-eyed over Guy, but before the
fight and, apparently, after the fight in GL25 took place, she had a crush
on Superman.  They should have at least tried to coordinate Ice's emotions
between the two books.  It would have made some sense.  (Of course, I think 
Ice has terrible taste in men, but that's just me.) 

I'm just waiting for the GL Corps, Lobo, and the Soul of Sinestro to come     
after Guy.  Preferably all at the same time.  Now THAT would be great!


-- 
Sanjiv Sarwate		sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu	SANJIV@UIUCVMD
"The next day, the former Prime Minister accepts his first job since leaving
the Executive Mansion; cleaning out the inn's stables.  He notes that the two
occupations are not, essentially, dissimilar."  
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From: goerz@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas R Goerz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Crisis Inconsistencies (WAS: Re: The Problem with the GL yellow weakness)
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:51:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Jul21.064437.11425@gdwest.gd.com> good@gdwest.gd.com (David L. Good) writes:
>The headline:
>	"'Green Arrow' Among Dead"
>
>I guess DC thought they were getting rid of just another lame superhero, at

Gee, I always took this to mean the Golden Age GA.  Of course he doesn't exist.
Or did he then ????

Chad
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From: nudd@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Nai Ying Kwok)
Subject: Re: Good Comics
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:52:51 GMT

conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty 1/2) writes:
: In article <22JUL92.11915485.0047@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, "J3SF000 (The Marshalls)" <J3SF@UNB.CA> writes:
: > In article <1992Jul21.190235.20425@uwm.edu> buzzsaw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael Elias Campbell) writes:
: > >In article <1992Jul17.222820.20467@rice.edu> yuantsai@owlnet.rice.edu (Frank Tsai-Yuan Chen) writes:
: > >>I have just take up collecting comic books. So far I like
: > >>the ones produced by Image like Spawn and Savage Dragon.
: > >>I was wondering if anyone can suggest to me other comics that
: > >>they find interesting. I am mostly interested in the newer
: > >>comics with issues less than #10. Any help would be
: > >>appreciated.
: 
: Given your tastes, I'd suggest the following:
: 
: - Image comics is publishing several books with the same general style
:   as these two.  They're just starting so all their books are still in
:   the beginning.
: 
: - Marvel comics has some books in the same vein.  You may want to check out
:   rec.arts.comics.xbooks.
: 
: [Conty realizes that everyone else in the newsgroup is giving him odd looks]
: 
: So he likes flashy books with lots of action and no plot.  <shrug>
: So shoot me for being nice to him.

Hey, how about BRATPACK? It's by Rick Veitch and there are only six
issues. Cheers!


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From: sadasiva@utkvx3.utk.edu (Sadasivam, Krishna Madur)
Subject: Wolverine, Iron Fist, Sabertooth
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: team-ups
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:28:00 GMT

I think a really good conflict would be between Wolverine, Iron Fist and
Sabertooth...after all, Sabertooth WAS an Iron Fist villian to begin with...

John Byrne and Jae Lee will be doing a new Iron Fist book next summer...
Should be good!



Krishna


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From: buzzsaw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael Elias Campbell)
Subject: Re: Good Comics
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:02:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.222820.20467@rice.edu> yuantsai@owlnet.rice.edu (Frank Tsai-Yuan Chen) writes:
>I have just take up collecting comic books. So far I like
>the ones produced by Image like Spawn and Savage Dragon.
>I was wondering if anyone can suggest to me other comics that
>they find interesting. I am mostly interested in the newer
>comics with issues less than #10. Any help would be
>appreciated.
>
>
>Frank Chen
>yuantsai@owlnet.rice.edu
>
>
>P.S. Does anyone have a #1 issue of Youngblood for sale?

Ya better watch it son, them's fighting words around here! As any good
comics snob knows, you need at least fifty issues of any comic just to get 
a semi-coherent storyline, and it all has too look like something that
looks like a cheap rip-off of Frank Crumb!!

HHO1/2K (Ha Ha Only half Kidding:)

Seriously though, of the few comics that I collect regularly these days,
I would recommend Ninja High School by Ben Dunn, almost any of the !mpact
stuff (specifically _The Fly_, _Jaguar_, and _The Black Hood_) other than that,
yer just wasting your money.

ZZ

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From: leekil@bbn.com (Lee Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: ashcan (?) comics...
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:01:08 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
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In article <1482bcINNpjq@agate.berkeley.edu> joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung) writes:

[Perfectly formatted article, with both right & left justification, and
1 space between words, two spaces after sentences, deleted.]

>-Jonathan Kung, student with way too much free time on his hands


So does this too much free time lead you to compose articles formatted in
this manner?


	Lee
From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Oh, COME OFF IT! Re: DANGER! Cool World is a BOMB! STAY AWA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:39:34 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Jul26.202945.20021@scott.skidmore.edu>

I agree with Jeremy Holstein.  I liked Cool World.  It's not the greatest
thing since sliced bread, but it didn't deserve the critical lambasting it
got.  The plot was complicated but fairly coherent; the acting was fairly
up to par and, in Basinger's case, way above par; and the animation ranged
from adequate to inspired.  I was never bored, and I was entertained.  In
the case of "Cool World," that was enough.

I've generally found that the people who were the most irate were those who
went in expecting animation on par with "Roger Rabbit."  Aside from the fact
that Bakshi doubtlessly did not have the schedule, budget or staff to pull
that off, there was also no need for it.  "Roger" hinged on making the Toons
seem real.  "Cool World" is, by its very design, *supposed* to be *un*real.
From: "donald simmons" <donald.simmons@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: new animated batman
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:09:42 EST
Reply-To: "donald simmons" <donald.simmons@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

     This weekend at Toronto Trek V, Dave McDonnell from Starlog
magazine was showing the complete first episode of the new animated
Batman series, which will start on Fox this September, and it was REALLY
good! Several people commented that this was more in the spirit of
Batman than either of the movies. This is definately not animation for
little kids but rather for adults. Dave said that he would not be
surprised if parent's groups rose up against it because of the violence
in it, or rather because of the realistic treatment of voilence in it.
When people get hit, they get hurt and end up in the hospital. When
Batman slams into a wall, you can see blood running down his face.
     Fox is set to show some seventy episodes, and have already made
about fifty of them. You can expext the full Batman Rogue's Gallery to
make an appearence, Riddler, Scarecrow, Catwomen (with whip) Two-Face
(who as seen in this episode as Harvey Dent, to become Two-Face later),
and of course Joker, who will be voiced by Mark Hamill.
     Anyway, I am really looking forward for this series to begin. It
should be well worth watching.

Donald Simmons
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From: danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Jewish Superheros
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:25:07 GMT
Reply-To: danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank)
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: danfrank@bashful.cc.utexas.edu

With the return of Seraph in the Global Guardians (Yay!!!!), I wanted to
compile a list of Jewish superheros. Please post any additional ones
you may be aware of.

DC
Oberon: in an issue of the second volume of Miracle Man, Oberon 
  tells Highfather that he doesn't care who HighFather because
  he's Jewish. (Any earlier references?)
Colossal Boy: Jo Nah was revealed to be Jewish around the time 
   Phoenix died. Fred Hembeck did a cartoon where Jo is learning
   Hebrew and complaining about the retcon.
Seraph

Marvel
Magneto: I know that the reason he wants mutants to rule the world
   was the result of his experiences in the Holocaust and that 
   Professor X met him in Israel. However, has Marvel ever said that
   he was Jewish? His kids, Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch, aren't
   Jewish unless their mother is. (Anyone know?)
Marvel also had some team that consisted of Earthpeople who were in
   training for godhood or something. I don't remember the name but
   one of them was from Israel

Mark VII Comics 
Shaloman: Whenever the cry of "Oy Vey" is heard, a rock shaped as a
   shin becomes Shaloman! A pretty good comic drawn in Golden Age
   style. It's like a comic filled with Mel Brooks inside Jewish
   jokes.

That's all I know. I'd appreciate any info to make the list more 
complete. Anything at all, no matter how obscure the company or even
a well-Israel-has-a-superhero-we-just-don't-see-him-that-often.

Speaking of Jewish superheros, I read a comic (published by whoever
does Quantum Leap)which featured Segar the Spaceman, a funny Popeye
pastiche. In it, he goes into a Star-of-David-shaped satellite.
The satellite is filled with Jews(obviously). Five hundred years ago,
the satellite rotated every 24 hours. Since one day, it broke on the
Sabbath, the Sabbath has been observed for 500 years and all space
travellers are forced to stop. The conclusion of the story has Segar
about to clash with Captain Kosher and His Amazing Jew Crew. The story
was in an anthology magazine and I have no idea where I can purchase 
the conclusion. Again, any info on the matter would be most helpful.

****************************************************
* Daniel Frank     Batman: The only thing left is  *
*                    this bowl of alphabet soup.   *
*                    Robin, get me the Bat-Alphabet*
*                    Soup-Container.               *
****************************************************
From: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM (James Langdell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC--Crisis Inconsistencies
Date: 22 Jul 1992 19:40:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bassclar

The key problem with post-Crisis continuity at DC is that the company's 
goals seemed to change during the series and during the years afterwards.

As I recall, from reading interviews with Wolfman and Perez, the original 
idea was to have a bang-up story describing an event so cataclysmic that 
it could serve later as a hand-waving explanation for any change the 
respective writers and editors of each DC comics wanted to make to 
strengthen that title for the 1980s.  If asked why some aspect of a new 
storyline contradicted past continuity, the editor could simply say
"Oh, that was changed by the Crisis."

However, the "Crisis" series itself became so popular that DC tried to use 
it to DEFINE its new continuity.  Since they were trying to nail things down 
before the 12th issue went out the door, some characters (particularly Wonder 
Woman) got jerked around.

In the next few years, after the DC-universe was redefined by Crisis,
several DC titles were revamped independently, most notably
the Superman line under John Byrne's free hand.  Batman came out
of Crisis without much change (the FIRST Jason Todd Robin had been
established some time before Crisis).  However, after the popularity
of "The Dark Knight Returns", the Batman continuity was reinvented.

It's these gaps between the attempt to be specific about the DC universe
IMMEDIATE after Crisis happened and the subsequent waves of character
relaunches that make it meaningless to put together a totaly consistent
reading of the DC universe over the past 8 years or so of publications.
My "get-a-life" view of the situation is to not fret about this continuity,
to be annoyed by stories that get bogged down in trying to reconcile
this muddled continuity, but to applaud writers who make good stories
that happen to deal with this tangle (such as Grant Morrison's Animal Man).

--James Langdell     jamesc@eng.sun.com
  Sun Microsystems   Mountain View, Calif.
From: dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu (David M. Pahnos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: Peter David on Aquaman
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:43:02 GMT
	<62883@cup.portal.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

> 
>I have it on good authority that Peter David's first issue of Aquaman is
>#14.  Previously it was #13 but it was pushed back an issue.
> 
>PAD


Would your good authority also have some dish on what sort of ambience,
or direction the title may go?  

(hint:  the return of the Celtic/Tuantha De Denaan Atlantis in his mini
against his brother (please???))


michael j pastor iii
guest on davids account
From: thor@eb5ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (Vaughn Rhoades)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Give Galactus "HIS" due
Date: 30 Jul 1992 19:49:25 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
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Summary: Galactus solution...



	Braian McInerney writes:

	>This will explain why Galactus's strength has diminished to the point
	>where everyone this side of Aunt May can kick his ass...and it sets
	>up why he almost died in FF awhile back...the construct attempted a
	>form of suicide.

===#===#===#===#===#===#===#===#===#===#===#===#===#===#===#===#===#===#===#==




	I agree with you that the Galactus character has been weakened
	considerably, and the simple solution is to have Lee/Kirby do
	a story that brings Galactus back into perspective in the Marvel
	Universe as the number #1 BAD ASS!!!


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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: Unstable Molecules (was Re: Forge is not...)
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:36:24 GMT

>>>	Reed Richards' unstable molecule "cloth"
>>	Now THIS would sell.  It repels bullets, never tears over your private
>>	parts, never needs resizing, it would be wonderful
>
>Hmm...
>
>I would argue there is no market for unstable molecule cloth in the
>Marvel Universe.  The premise of the stuff is that it conforms to
>the powers of the individual wearing it.  It is not by nature bullet-proof.
>The only thing unstable molecules allow Reed to do, for example, is
>stretch while staying in his uniform.
>
>Besides, he seems happy to just give a suit to any super-hero that
>asks him for one...as demonstrated around Hulk #290 and New Warriors #26.

Unstable molecule cloth is "programable", though.  For instance, how does
it know that it should turn into a collar on Rahne Sinclair when she
changes into Wolvesbane?  The question of course is: How programable is it?
Can it change from a bathing suit into a full set of clothes when a person
dries off?  Reed could make a fortune out of it, not that he doesn't
already have a fortune... (Not just Reed Richards, though.  Apparently all
a person needs to do to make unstable molecules is to blast the clothes
with the right amount of cosmic rays)

And what about the bulletproof version created by Moira McTaggert (sic!)???


Karthik Sheka              | It's not an optical illusion.  It just looks like
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From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel Continuity
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:24:58 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul30.222519.8954@rose.com> victor.ng@rose.com (victor ng) writes:
>If Carter was prez, and Trudeau was PM, this means that the classic
 X-Men tales must have occured in the early 70's.
                                      ^^^^^

That should be _late_ 70's.  Carter was prez from '76 til '80.

JRjr

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From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: Infinity War...Geez...
Keywords: Reality, Gem, whereabouts, turkey, ham, cheese, killer-nazi-clowns
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:56:06 GMT

goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:

>In article <1992Jul27.205506.27872@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>)     If not Thanos (Spoiler coming, I can't make the ^L thing), the reality 
>)wielder has to be someone not yet seen in the IWar books. 
>)...  Whoever it is is more 
>)interested in the study of reality than any of the other facets of the gems 
>)     Dave Van Domelen, ramblin on and on and on and <Whack!> Aiooowwwwww....

>	Hm. Perhaps the Watcher? I don't believe we've seen him yet,
>which is a bit odd considering how cosmic it's all been getting.

Maybe, perhaps... it's Franklin ;)
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          jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov             Greenbelt, MD 20771

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               is second in depravity only to the common clam."
From: husty@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Steve Husty)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: No more Terminator @ DH
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:18:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.172547.5479@eskimo.celestial.com>, ntprlr@eskimo.celestial.com (NightProwler) writes:
> 
> I just heard from a friend of mine at Dark Horse that they just lost 
> their contract for the Terminator series of books...everything is now
> going to DC.
> 
	True DH did lose Terminator, but I've read its going to Valiant,
	not Marvel and not DC.  Also, Jim Shooter has left Valiant.  Any
	one out there as disappointed as me??
		
					Jester
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From: mmunoz@vxcrna.cern.ch (MUNOZ,MARC./DG)
Subject: Re: Marvel Continuity
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:51:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.135712.11188@anasazi.com>, rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr) writes...
> 
>With the recent talk about Magneto and Professor X's ages, I was reminded of
>reading somewhere that because of the 'unique' timeline that Marvel follows
>in its universe, someday changes to origins of its characters backgrounds
>will need to be changed.  I believe an example was used with Iron Man.  His
>origin is most definitely tied into the confict between America and the 
>Vietnamese, but as the years go by and Tony Starks age remains relatively
>unchanged, the Vietnam Conflict will have to somehow be 'written' out of
>Iron Man's origin.  It was mentioned that this could be done by deimphasizing
>the location of Iron Man's origin when it is being retold.  This way, Iron
>Man could be rewritten to have been created in the Gulf War or such.  
> 
>Magneto's origin dates his character in much the same way, because he was
>also a product of World War II, since his mutant powers manifested itself
>in a concentration camp.  Someday, if the Marvel Universe wants to maintain
>it's consistancy with its current readers, Magneto's origin will have to
>be 'rewritten,' with Magneto's powers manifesting themselves at a different
>time period, but under a similar stress situation.
> 
>					Ron
If I remember correctly, it exist a retcon about Magneto's origin. In the early
days, he was suposed to first show his powers in WWII. Later, Magnetos is 
suposed to be a child in WWII, and have teh powers manifested later, in a 
communist concentration camp.
 					MArc

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From: boyes@forty2.enet.dec.com (Mark Boyes)
Subject: Re: Selina Kyle / Wonder Woman confusion in "Dark Knight Returns" ?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:57:46 GMT


In article <1992Jul26.045238.13208@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty 1/2) writes...
>In article <OTTO.92Jul26040009@gawain.jyu.fi>, otto@gawain.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes:
>> All thru "Dark Knight Returns" we keep seeing these familiar figures from
>> Batmans past.  The one I haven't really figured out is why the proprietor
>> of Kyle Escorts, Selina Kyle, who as far as I know used to be the Catwoman,
>> ends up hogtied dressed up as Wonder Woman by Joker.
> 
>That's the Joker's sick sense of humor for you.  Tie her up, and dress her
>as a super-heroine.

More importantly, Wonder Woman must submit to the will of any man that
binds her with her own lassoo (or at least did in the original series, I'm not
sure post-Crisis). I've heard that this is supposed to imply that the Joker 
raped her, but that didn't occur to me when I read it.

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