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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Bikes Indoors and Riding with Gas
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:15:19 GMT

In article <4302@cvbnetPrime.COM> rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:
|Since we're on the subject of gas tanks and gasoline - there seems to be 
|two schools of thought on putting up your bike for the Winter where:
|
|1) You drain, ventilate and store the tank - drawback: chances of rust
|   forming from condensation.

Put some oil in the tank and swirl it around.  That'll keep it from
rusting.  Then store it inside off the bike, where constant temperature
should further prevent condensation.  Drawback: it takes quite a 
while to get a tank empty of gas, especially when the petcock is not quite
at the bottom.

|2) Fill the tank and add a stabilizer - drawback: still a posibility that
|   leaking gasoline can gum up carbs. and maybe even the crankcase.  Also
|   a fire hazard unless stored properly.

Remove the gas lines, put plugged lines in their place on the tank.  Stabilizer
should stop gumming even if you don't do this, but a leaky petcock and float
valve could easily be bad news anyway.  Much better to just remove the lines.

The fire hazard should be no more than the bike just sitting in the garage, as
long as you aren't storing it in the living room.  In that case, I would drain
the tank.

|Is there any really defined right or wrong here or is it personal
|preference?

If the bike runs right in the spring, the method you used was right.  If it
doesn't, it was wrong.  Of course, that's MY preference.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |   -- Evo Woman
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 00:55:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.184641.18722@spdc.ti.com> crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder) writes:
>In article <1edp07INN8l1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>
>>Throttle steering?
>>
>>Sure, on a bike with a sidecar, but on a motorcycle?
>>
>>Enlighten me.
>  When you turn a bike on a loose surface, the front tire pushes out
>a certain amount.  The trick is to regulate the amount of 'push'
>(slippage) of the rear tire with throttle.  'A little more throttle'
>steers to the inside of the turn, 'a little less throttle' straightens
>things up.  Chopping the power suddenly spills the bike or high - sides

I guess that it's different on normal roads. If you've set you lean angle,
more speed makes you go wide and less speed makes you turn in. It's a good
way to fine tune, because, in my experience, a *small* change in throttle
unsettles the suspension less than the equivalent handlebar action. It
works better speeding up than slowing down.

YMMV, of course.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: CG (was Re: What would you ride...
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:28:14 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

 markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) said (in part)

> At turn in, the motorcycle rotates about the cg not the contact
> patches.  Re: countersteering.  Low polar moment in the transverse
> plane (and in the longitudinal plane but for different reasons) is the
> key, not low cg.  Keep the mass concentrated as close to the cg as
> possible.
>
> Winter's approaching, time for the "how does a motorcycle turn" flame
> fest again.

Shit, Mark what would you know about winter living in Bezerkley!
But you may be right. I extend an open invitation to you to ride
some gravel roads here in Minnesota on a _low_ cg machine.  Pure
heaven on gravel.  Hell on pavement.
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Another fine product from the DoD
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:27:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Nov16.202739.11617
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL


Yet another prospect in the long line of quality DoD merchandise:

		>>>DoD Beer Coasters<<<


I'm looking for signs of interest in DoD Beer Coasters as the next
fundraising product.  This is still in the planning stages, but
here are the expected particulars:

	4" round, heavy fibreboard (76 pt, for those who know or care)
	beer coasters, with the red and yellow logo on a black background.
	Judging from the manufacturer's sample, they are approximately as
	thick as a U.S. 5 cent coin.

Projected cost, at this time, is $.50 US per each, plus shipping.
As the minimum order is 2000 pieces, I will probably offer
quantity discounts as an incentive to avoid getting stuck with
a thousand of them for myself...  (They are shipped from the
manufacturer packaged in lots of 250, so the greatest discount
would be for multiples of 250...  yeah, I'm lazy, so what!)

Due to manufacturing lead time, they will _not_ be available before
the 1992 winter holidays - I'd expect an early February, 1993 delivery to
be realistic.

As usual, proceeds from the sale would benefit the A.M.A. Motorcycle Museum
in (Arnie, help me out here!) Rzznfrz, Ohio.

As always, you do not need to be a member of the DoD to order.

If you are interested, please e-mail me!  If you don't have e-mail access,
fine, post a reply, but this will be much easier for me if you e-mail
your interest.  If a reasonable number of replies come in, I will post
ordering information at a later date.  Read the prospectus carefully
before investing or sending money...

Send replies to jeq@i88.isc.com or ...!laidbak!jeq



Bonus question for DoD Homebrewers:  Any interest in a limited run of
Geeky the Daemon bottle caps?  If yes, any suggestions on manufacturers?


-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
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From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: *** The Triumph Name ***
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:28:49 GMT

Well, that about sums it up.

I _want_ a Triumph.


BTW, I rode to Hinckley on Sunday (15th of Nov, '92) to ogle the Triumph 
factory.  I was going to take a piccy too.  I was very disappointed.  I don't 
know what I was expecting, but all it was was a large industrial type unit
with a lot of smoked glass frontage and security cameras.  There wasn't even
a badge or name on the main building front.  It was listed on the map of the
estate as J S Bloor, and it was very Blooring.  Apparently they are going to
expand as there was a J S Bloor sign on a vacant bit of land to the left of 
the building.

C'est la vie.


Nick (the Bored Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Triumph Catalogue


M'Lud.
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Break-in (what is it?)
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:54:50 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <4206@unisql.UUCP>, ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:
> In article <5122@prcrs.prc.com> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:
> >
> >Possibly the worst thing I can think of being is young and hip.
> 
> How come everyone I know who thinks that is old and dorky?
> 

Why thanks!


-- 
 | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | "You got, ahh say you got it all     |
 | DoD# 541   'Debunkers of Dogma'    |  wrong son"      Foghorn Leghorn     |
 | Old And Dorky                      |                                      |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Re: what is Too Much Power?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:40:13 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

michaelb@compnews.co.uk (Michael Burton) writes:

>So as you say; what is too much power.

>I would love to know the answer!

I think Mark Donahue said, "I'll have enough power when I'm spinning 
the tires at the end of the straights" concerning Porsche 917's.

But I don't think that answered your question.
-- 
 Clayton T. Brooks       _,,-^`--.   From the heart          cbrooks@ms.uky.edu
 722 POT U o'Ky    .__,-'    *    \   of the blue           cbrooks@ukma.bitnet
 Lex. KY 40506   _/              ,/    grass and   {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks
 606-257-6807   (__,-----------''   bourbon country    AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD
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From: tbb@sumac02.cray.com (Todd Blachowiak)
Subject: Re: CBX and other 6 cyl's
Originator: tbb@sumac02
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:51:34 CST


In article <1992Nov20.093913.4739@microsoft.com>, chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih) writes:
> In rec.motorcycles weiss@bdcv8 writes:
> ;could follow Honda's lead and produce a V-8 masquerading as a V-4 (NR750).  
> 
> The NR750 is a 32 valve inline 4.  It could possibly
> be described as a parallel 8 with very thin cylinder
> walls, but not really as a V-anything.

 Nope. The NR750 is a 32 valve V-4. The head looks like this

  exhausts
 0000  0000
 0000  0000
  intakes
 0000  0000
 0000  0000
  exhausts

 the 0 are valves.

-- 
Take care,

Todd Blachowiak
KotD #0004
From: rabbits@carson.u.washington.edu (Adolf Maas)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:59:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov17.235903.8137
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

>:< a bunch of lame arguments against motorcycles deleted>
> 
>: "But my brother's friend's girlfriend's aunt knows somebody who *died*
>: on a motorcycle!"
>
>At least my mother claims to have known people personally that lost legs
>in motorcycle accidents.  Of course the fact that those accidents occured
>in the 1930s and probably involved open case primaries isn't relevant to her.

Well, I ride, have ridden for several years, had many a close call
(usually from auto drivers who were paying more attention to the radio
than the road), and have known a few riders who have been seriously
injured, maimed (like lost a foot, or lost use of an arm) or even killed. 
But, I also have a brother who was hit by a drunk (my bro was in a car)
and is seriously brain damaged), a dear friend who was killed by a drunk
on her last birthday, and one of my best friends is a parapalegic from a
car accident (not to mention several family friends who were killed in
auto accidents).  And you know, I'm not going to stop driving, either! ;-)

	I tend to think that any argument against riding is pretty lame-
they can always be applied to driving a car, taking a plane, riding a
horse, hunting, sex (especially nowadays!!), even shaving (I used to work
in an E.R.- I saw a guy who lost too much blood from shaving and suffer brain
damage!)  The kid who rides a crotch rocket like a maniac would drive a
car like a maniac- no difference.

Keep riding, if you love it (and that goes for anything else).

Adolf Maas
From: james@muppet.bt.co.uk (James Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Isle Of Man on TV
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:12:55 GMT
Reply-To: james@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

> I liked the way they turned the roads into a big one-way system
>and let the bikers go ape-shit.


I take it the lack of a speed limit is limited to the above days?  If not
I'm off there next week.

James
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bruce@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Krueger)
Subject: Re: Leg Protection for cold weather?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:53:59 GMT

weaver@castor (Mike Weaver) writes:
>>chilly, riding 60MPH can freeze your buns.  So, what to you, the
>>experienced rider, recommend for leg protection?  What about leggings?
>>-- 
>I wear a pair of snowmobile pants that I bought from Bob Pasker. They do the 
>trick VERY well.
>tres warm.
   *******
   hmmm, I've got a pair of sheepskin army air corps (that might give you
   a clue how old they are) flight pants, which are basically shearling
   bib overalls (..in fact, speaking of 'bib':  if you've ever seen a
   picture of bib, the michelin man, you've got a fairly good idea what
   I look like whilst wearing said pants -- svelte they're not) that are
   just the ticket when riding home in sub-20 degree weather for christmas,
   blasting down the interstate at seventy miles an hour.  lotsa snow on the
   ground, but the roadway was pretty well clear (fortunately), though I was
   hyper-aware of the possibility of ice on overpasses.  leather mittens and
   a goosedown jacket under my heavier leather jacket, plus a long wool scarf
   around my neck multiple times, the 'chin gasket' on my System 1 helmet, and
   a couple of layers of wool socks inside the german army messsenger boots
   did the trick, and, of couse, the fairing on the beemer was in no small
   part instrumental in preventing me from turning into a popsicle on the
   eighty mile trip to the christmas turkey.  raised a few eyebrows at my
   folks' house, which made it even more fun...

   bruce

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,sci.physics
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

Wednesday, November 18th, 1992 @ 12:50pm. 

Was eastbound on Blossom Hill Rd and took the #87 westbound off-ramp with
a burgundy colored 300ZX on my butt...it's a decreasing radius turn which
makes it difficult to increase the speed until past the apex especially
on a '86 GL1200I and that, in turn, enabled the 300ZX to stay glued to 
my moto. Rather than continue this near copulation of moto and cage I
elected to swing a wide arc all the way over from the merging on-ramp
lane to the far left lane and accelerate to 80mph. The 300ZX faded into
the background. However, it wasn't due to my tremendous speed although
the Wing can do low 13s in the 1/4 mile with an experienced moto mag
test pilot. A white moto was closing in on me. I pushed the throttle
down into putt-putting at 60mph, but it was too late as the red lights
were flashing. I pulled over to the shoulder of the Santa Teresa off-ramp,
turned my moto off and dismounted. The CHiP's moto was a '89 FXRP. He
didn't even take out his ticket book! He told me to just slow down and
I explained matter-of-factly the circumstances (300ZX) of my little
stunt (he didn't like the wide arc). He nodded at that, but stressed
that I should slow down. I talked about his FXRP with him and he said
that he was one of the lucky ones who got a HD rather than a Kawasaki,
but stated that, despite 50K miles onnit, his scoot has been completely 
overhauled *3* times and the trans rebuilt *2* times. I was astonished
and he said it's mostly because the CHiP motos get a lot of hard use,
but based on the reliablity (or lack of it) he wouldn't buy one for
himself as a personal scoot. He also said that they tend to be auctioned
off for roughly $5K vs $1500 for the Kawasakis. Anyway, after a little
more small talk we shook hands and went out separate ways after he pulled
into the Union 76 gas station on Curtner and Almaden Expressway. Still,
am only too happy to be spared a speeding ticket...maybe it was the USA
flag decal on the back of my helmet? :-)  We chatted for about 20 minutes
but I didn't want to press my luck by asking him why I wasn't ticketed. 
If he catches me in the act again he may not be as forgiving. 

Graeme Harrison
DoD#649
'Verify that traffic behind you does not have a moto or cage officer
 *before* executing a wide arc from on-ramp lane to far left lane.'

 *before* making a wide arc from off-ramp to far left lane.'   9
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: fucking BDI motorcycle drivers
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:11:33 GMT

Jonathan E. Quist (jeq@i88.isc.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov18.165637.24727@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
: >marrevola@rediris.es wrote:
: >: In article <1992Nov17.193035.11161@i88.isc.com>, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
: >: > So pull onto the shoulder, slow or stop for a few seconds, to get him
: >: > ahead of you, and then use your superior accelleration to get you
: >: > safely back into the traffic flow.
: >: > -- 
: >: > Jonathan E. Quist                           INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
: >: 
: >: Thanks God, a responsible guy!!!
: >
: >Yes, but so boring and a posting quite outside the spirit and raison d'etre of
: >jolly old wreck-dot-motos.  Sad, really....
: 
: That's it, then!  I challenge you to the Fish-Slapping Dance.  You may have
: the kippers, I want the salmon.
: 
: 
: So, how the hell do you get "Datasbuild" out of "Nick" anyhow?
: 
: May Mrs. Sloacom take a liking to you...
: -- 
: Jonathan E. Quist                          INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation

Well, Johnny old boy, Being a highly paid contractor (laughter please) I am
not given my own Unix login but use a special Company account.  That's it.
That's also one of the reasons that I do not have Company Email access.

Mrs. Slocombe can take a liking to whoever she damn well pleases, I'm not 
giving that daft old bat another penny!

Do you mind if I use my codpiece for The Dance?  Oh, and a couple of jars of
jellied eels too.

Sense and sensibilities!  What has this SIG come to?  I'm starting to enjoy
myself!

I rode to work this morning with a really large grin on my face and a dreadful
amount of MPHs on the clock.  DoD+15 for most of the way (shocking!).  When I
am in a mood like that, I rock Kay from side to side, it gets some strange 
looks from the passive/passed cagers though!  It's a glorious sunny day to day
and I want to go out and ride ride ride.  Fuck this brain numbing job!!!!  (It
pays my petrol, etc though....)

I am really looking forward to going to The Bike Show on 5/12 at the NEC.  I
will give y'all a bit of a report, OK?


Nick (the Quick, Slick, Trick Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford


M'Lud.
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Engine "Blueprinting"?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 16:38:22 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 10248@rtsg.mot.com, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>I have heard the term "blueprinting", as applied to engine
>rebuilds many times, 

All engine parts are built to within tolerences, but since, for
example, pistons are picked out of the piston box at random, there is
no correlation between the tolerences on the piston and those on the
cylinder.

Blueprinting an engine means rebuilding it with parts where all the
tolerences work the same way (max diameter piston, min diameter
cylinder).

It's on of those "huge effort/expense for a tiny fractional increase in
power" tricks that only racers care about.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Which scoots offer shaft drive?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:27:41 GMT

In article <shk2bdk@zola.esd.sgi.com> cj@sgi.com writes:
>
>In article <22411@drutx.ATT.COM>, pmr@drutx.ATT.COM writes:

>Isn't calling it a "scoot" in r.m rather like calling it "Frisco"?

Probably, to some people.  But when I hear the term, it is usually spoken by
a friend of mine who was winning hillclimbs on his Triumph 850 (yes, it
was SERIOUSLY massaged: started as a 600, ended up as an 850 with both cyl
firing at the same time) in the 1960's and now rides a Goldwing and a
Kawasaki 750 twin.  This despite the fact that he can't feel anything below
the knees (diabeties and a degenerative nerve disorder) and has major health
problems due to being blown up in a police action we participated in a couple
of decades ago.

It occurs to me that people can call a motorcycle anything they want to, 
and I will respect them for the fact that they ride.

CP Tomes
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: 2-strokes (was:Re: REQUEST: short fella has a question or two...
Organization: QUAD Systems
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:01:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.195346.27328@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.151034.13305@rd.hydro.on.ca>,
>jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>|> In article <BxrrnM.Bt4@quadsys.com> roland@quadsys.com (Roland
>|> Besserer) writes:
>|> >
>|> >But they do still make it. It's called the RD350R, has an updated,
>|> twin
>|> >headlight, full fairing and is made in Brazil under license from
>|> Yahama.
>|> >Imported into Britain it's about 3400 pounds
>|> 
>|> Wow, try to back that out of a parking space!
>|> 
> Back it out you say, me I'd stick an 8 foot flag on its
>center stand lever, maybe even add a boom and sail to it.
>What a boat that must be.
>

You guys are a scream.
-- 

Roland Besserer
QUAD Systems
roland@quadsys.com
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Harleys in Harvard Business Review
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:33:25 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


Another episode of motorcycles in the business press (yesterday
I posted an article about Hells Angels in FORTUNE).

In the most recent Harvard Business Review (V. 70, No. 6, 
Nov.-Dec. 1992) there's an article entitled "The Case of the 
Temperamental Talent".  Poor Ken was becoming a problem at 
work.  He was brilliant, innovative, etc., etc.   But lately 
his temper has gotten worse and worse.  He apparently got drunk 
at the company picnic and insulted a number of people in the 
sales department.  He was increasingly quiet and surly.  He 
just trashed his office, throwing a chair at his CAD/CAM 
workstation.  Then came the final straw.  Says HBR:

   Most bizarre of all, a few weeks ago, around the time 
   Tidewater started implementing its reorganization plans,     
   Ken began riding to work on a Harley-Davidson motorcycle.  
   And he replaced his sportcoat and tie with a leather     
   jacket and t-shirt, like a latter-day Marlon Brando in 
   _The_Wild_One_.

Is this the end for Ken?  Read the current issue of Harvard 
Business Review to find out...


-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: alex@lyra.colorado.edu (Alex Matthews)
Subject: Re: Slip-sliding away (was Re: What would you ride...)
Originator: alex@lyra
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:42:12 GMT

Future contributors to this thread should first complete the following
brain-teaser:

"You are riding your bike in a straight line.  Is your front wheel rotating
about its hub, or about its contact point with the road, or both, or
neither?"

Answers must be 50 words or less.  Partial credit will not be awarded.
"Get a bike, Ed" is not a valid answer.
-- 
-Alex Matthews (alex@lyra.colorado.edu, matthews@jila.bitnet)
DoD #0010   
"Occasionally we may try to reroute you briefly onto a particularly
beautiful side road...." - Numerical Recipes
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