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From: statar@ihlpb.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Planning babies
Date: 4 Jan 1993 14:32:48 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I'd like some views from you misc.kidders on
when to have another baby.  I have two daughters,
born 4/26/90 and 5/22/92.  We would like to have
our third child be at least 2 years but no more than
3 years younger than Kathy.  We have both always
liked spring birthdays best, but this summer we
were somewhat trapped inside by having a baby too
young to go out much, she couldn't open her eyes
outside when it was sunny and bright!  So now we
are considering a fall baby so that the baby will
be old enough to take out and go in the pool in
the summertime.  I'm thinking of Feb. or March of 95,
my husband thinks we should go for Sept. or later
of 94.  Both of our children were planned for March,
April or May (Kathy barely made it!).  We plan to
have one or two more children, right now I'm just
trying to decide when the next one should be.
How important are these considerations, and what
other things should I add to the list?  

Here's a partial list of considerations:

**Spring birthday -

pregnancy in winter, plus almost all of my maternity 
clothes are winter clothes

child can get new summer clothes for birthday presents

good age for starting school

baby will be too small for summertime

spring 94 - possibly <24 months between Kathy and new baby
(maybe this wouldn't be so bad since Kathy would have someone
to play with, when Kathy was born and took up all my time, 
25 month old Jessica got into lots of trouble and didn't get
all the attention she needed)
spring 95 - 5 years between Jessica and new baby (seems like a lot!)

good time for maternity leave

birthday far from Christmas, but near other family birthdays
(mine is 5/9, Bill's is 4/17)

**Fall/winter birthday -

pregnant in the summer (yuck!) and need new maternity clothes

birthday possibly close to Christmas

child would have to wait an extra year (or part of one)
to start school

good age to enjoy first summer, but lots of bundling up
of very little one for first winter

Kathy would be almost 2.5YO and at a good age for a new baby


Thanks for any stories or help.  I know we've got plenty of
time to think about it.  We sure do love having a baby in the
house (most of the time! :) )  Also, when would be a good time
to plan a trip to Disney World?  Jessica will be starting school
in 95, so I'd like to plan it before then when we can go during
a not so busy time of year.

Sherry

s.tatar@att.com


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: toddler memory
Keywords: I forget
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:16:01 GMT


Jeffrey (2 years, 10 months) also is starting to show a phenomenol memory. I
am deperately trying to think up some cute or amazing examples, but I cant.
I am 7 months pregnant, and while Jeffrey has a fabulous memory, mine is
practically non-existant!  :-(

Laura Floom

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:50:21 GMT


I got a great tip on giving medicine to a squirmy child right here
on the net. Before this it took two adults to get Tempra into
Beth, and we put antibiotics in a bottle with a little milk because
it was the only way to get them into her.

Here is the way: sit on the floor cross legged. Take the child into
your arms with her head on your elbow and her feet in your lap.
Tuck one of her arms behind you back (as if nursing). Now, with the
arm she is lying on, reach up and take her other hand/arm. You still
have an entire free hand to squirt the medicine into her mouth.
If the legs are seriously interfering, you can put the leg she isn't
lying on over her feet. You should only need to restrain her for a
second or so while you squirt in the medicine.

Put it quite far back in the mouth, and put it at the side rather
than in the centre. This way they are more likely to swallow and
less likely to spit out. Praise her for swallowing it and acknowledge
that it was unpleasant for her. Don't restrain her every time: give
her a chance to take it without fighting first. Make sure to praise
her effusively if she takes it without a fuss. If the praise feels
silly to you, have an adult give you a spoonful or eyedroppper full
of something ordinary like orange juice, and concentrate on how
you feel about it and what an effort it is to co-operate in taking it
this way. It should be an eye opening experience.

Another important point: not all medications taste alike. Tempra is
tuly awful, the worst of all the infant painkiller drops available.
Tylenol is a bit better. Beth preferred a specific generic brand
(Life) that is, alas, not available anymore. Do taste a little drop
of what you are offering, and try different brands, at least of
painkiller, to see if some are accepted more readily than others.
For the truly nasty tasting stuff, have a bottle or breast handy to
take away the nasty taste.

Finally, don't forget that as your infant becomes a toddler, and
so much harder to restrain, you don't have to keep giving more and
more of an infant medication, but can switch to a toddler dose. When
we discovered that the brand of drops Beth liked wasn't made anymore,
she was 2.5 or so. She would gladly open up for her preferred brand,
but after one dose of Temopra wouldn't co-operate anymore. 
We switched to a "drinking medicine" in the brand
she likes. I measure 5 ml into a little plastic cup and she takes
it and drinks it herself, even goes to the bathroom to rinse the cup
out. She is very proud of her involvement in the medicine taking and
it is never a battle for us. So different from her first year!

Kate
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Carol F. Topp <ctopp@cup.portal.com>
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:45:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.145902.25526@crd.ge.com> , millerj@belize.crd.ge.com
writes:
>
>	Corey will be 7 months Jan 13th and we've had a devil of a time trying
>to get him to lie still to dress him, change his diaper, etc.  I've tried
>making faces at him, giving him a toy, having one person hold him down,
etc.
>Once he could turn over both ways and crawl he's impossible to pin down.

There isn't any way to get them to lie still, but we found that
introducing
the game of Mom or Dad holds toy in mouth and Kid tries to get it helped.
Another game was  hold one of the stacking cups to your mouth using 
suction  and let kid pull it off, or blow it across the room. Generally
any game that gets them laughing.  Russell laughed at a wide variety
of sounds (still does at 21 months), so sometimes just making
noises was enough.

Carol                                        ctopp@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 04:10:19 GMT
Summary: . . . or 2-year-olds!


Not that I want to depress anyone with squirmy babies, but I still
have a tough time getting diapers and other clothes on my 26-month-old. . .

And when they're that big, they can jettison themselves from the
changing table into a running landing, and they can run FAST
(shreaking with wicked glee all the while)!!!
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach")
Subject: circ on older baby
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:02:07 GMT

I'm not interested in flames, please, just a warning for those who circumsize
older babies...

Our son was premature, couldn't be circumsized when days old.  We decided to
circumsize for religious reasons, which ARE important to us.  He was 3 months
old before he was healthy enough.  I requested anesthesia.  My OB, who did the
circ, refused, said it doesn't hurt babies, they only cry from cold or being
undressed, etc.  HAH!!!  I can't vouch for the just-borns, but my son was in
real pain.  We heard him cry down the hall, and HE CRIED ON AND OFF FOR 2
DAYS, IN PAIN!!  The OB said it was the first time she ever saw a baby cry
real (wet) tears from this - sure, the tear ducts don't work for a couple
weeks!  I still am quite angry, and made a point of putting this in writing
for the OB and the whole practice.  Last time I trust a doctor or anyone
against my instincts.  I'm glad I don't have to decide whether to circumsize
again, since Alex is our only - a baby's pain vs. religious law is (IMO) a
horrible choice.  Or we might have chosen a mohel - I have seen circs at a
bris which do not seem to faze a baby at all.

So if you do circumsize, especially a baby older than a couple days, INSIST on
anesthesia!!
From: valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cute things they do, siblings
Date: 8 Jan 1993 23:07:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: leapyear.ebay.sun.com

In article <29456@oasys.dt.navy.mil> dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
>I have several cute stories to tell, all about sibling interaction:
>(Brad is 2 years, 5 months, and Carrie is almost 7 months)
>
>
>Next story:  Our new house has a BIG countertop in the powder room,
>specifically so I can avoid going upstairs for all diaper changes.
>Of course we put nice recessed lights over it, which shine in Brad's
>eyes when he lays down :-(.  So lately I've been having to change his
>diapers in there in the dark.  Well, last night I was changing Carrie's
>
>Diane Segelhorst
>dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
>Mom to Brad, 2.5 years, and Carrie, 7 months

Have you noticed that when you pull the tapes on the disposables
in the pitch dark, they let off a little spark?  

Fun things you learn at 2am.

Valerie Hayes
From: mark@whizbang.wariat.org (Mark W. Schumann)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Toddler Genital Names (was: "Stop Grabbing Your Penis
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 19:37:15 GMT
Organization: The Software Sweatshop, Cleveland, Ohio USA
Reply-To: mark@whizbang.wariat.org


mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.edu wrote:

>                  My husband and I usually bathe him together in the tub,
> and as Skip washes Daniel's anal-genital area he always says, "and now we'll
> wash possible."  This comes from Skip's grandmother's advice - "Wash up
> as far as possible, and down as far as possible, and then wash possible." 
> 
> We have jokingly used this word throughout our marriage - it has become one
> of those "family words" that has meaning only to us.

Here, the litter box contents became "processed cat food" which
naturally led to diaper dumps being labeled "processed baby food" and
then abbreviated to "process."  Now when we hear the expression "process
of elimination" it takes on a weird double meaning.

--
Mark W. Schumann/3111 Mapledale Avenue/Cleveland, Ohio 44109-2447 USA
Domain: mark@whizbang.wariat.org                      CIS: 73750,3527
"We're not nuts or anything; I mean *I'm* not nuts." <whizbang!judy>
From: beth@col.hp.com (Beth Vail Jones)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
Date: 7 Jan 1993 18:09:40 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpcsqa5.col.hp.com

When Andy started squirming at diaper time, we made sure he had something
to play with.  We have a variety of small toys that stay ONLY in the
changing table, so he only sees them at diaper time.  Having several
different toys gives us a chance to pop out a "new" one (not seen for
a few weeks, that is) if the "old" one is boring.  A frequent favorite
is a vinyl-page book with flaps and holes in the pages, so we play peek-
a-boo thru the pages.  He cooperates fairly well.  The toy has to be
really interesting to him.  Another goody was putting a small stuffed
kitten inside a plastic cup that had a see-thru bottom.  He enjoys that
a lot.  We also have a baby "key-ring" that has family photos instead of
keys.  By the age of 9 months, he was interested in that.  There were
several photos of himself, so he liked seeing the "babies."

Our daycare provider gives Andy a small cracker or cookie while changing
Andy's diaper.  This would only be appropriate for an older baby.  She
also gets him somewhat involved (he's 21 months old), by asking him to
fetch a clean diaper, and put the old, rolled-up diaper in the trash.
He usually cooperates beautifully for her.

All kids are different - YMMV!

Beth Jones, mom to Ben (4/22/89) and Andy (4/3/91)
From: rabbit@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Aleta Hanna)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Magna Doodle
Date: 11 Jan 1993 11:07:06 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: lindy.stanford.edu

My son recieved a Magna Doodle for his third birthday, last spring.  It
gets trampled, dropped and used a great deal.  The screen is a little
ripply, but it still works.  I don't know which brand it is, though.

Aleta

*************************
Aleta Hanna
Maps and Records
Stanford University
rabbit@lindy.stanford.edu
*************************
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:43:16 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1ic9g6INN24n@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:

>In article <1993Jan05.012131.48991@watson.ibm.com>, strom@Watson.Ibm.Com 
>(Rob Strom) writes: 

>> Why would you think someone who made a posting about
>> 4th Amendment rights was dangerously insane?

>Because the last time I posted something that a fundamentalist Christian 
>took exception to, he sent me e-mail that was sufficiently scary that I 
>was very glad he didn't know where I lived! Please note that what I'd 
>written wasn't at all anti-Christian, but one whacko individual 
>decided that it was.

He may call himself a Christian, but this is a definitely
unbiblical action on his part.

What did he say?  Did he threaten you?  Or just say the right
things to convince you he had a lot of screws missing?

--
Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
From: anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: airport waiting area
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:53:47 GMT
Organization: Mincom

> In article <16B4D7452.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:
>>In article <16B4D5F7F.BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
>>BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann) writes:
>> 
>>>>a FP Picnic Table and a Duplo table with plenty of blocks.
>>>>It was certainly enough to keep Christine entertained for
>>>>the 45 minutes or so we had to wait.
>>>
>>>I've NEVER seen anything like this!  (Airports in New York - Kennedy,
>>>Detroit, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Lexington, Munich, Frankfurt)  But,
>> 
>>I can add Denver, Dallas, Pittsburg, and Ohare to the list.  NEVER saw
>>ANYTHING which would help a travler with children.
> 
I can add Perth (Western Australia) International Airport to the list
with play areas. They have a large climbing set with twisty slide and lots
of platforms, ladders, ropes and chains to climb on. It is all based on
a rubber floor that felt very spring and spongy.

Our problem was that the person we were waiting for arrived too soon for
David, who eventually was carried kicking and screaming downstairs to meet
Uncle Bill.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anita Graham
anita@mincom.oz.au
From: beth@col.hp.com (Beth Vail Jones)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: No Friends at Daycare
Date: 4 Jan 1993 23:12:30 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpcsqa5.col.hp.com

My two sons are in family daycare near our home.  It's a great place;
the daycare mother has loads of experience and even trains other daycare
providers around the country.  She provides a loving environment and
neat activities for the kids.  Both boys eat really well at her house
(not so well at home :-().

Andy is 21 months old, and still plays independently, although he gets
curious about what other kids are doing.  He's into "parallel play".
He loves the daycare.

Ben is nearing 4 years old, and finally this weekend I heard him explain
his daily resistance to going to daycare.  His resistance has puzzled me
completely, because he obviously likes the daycare mother, and seems to
be having fun whenever I'm there.  He told me that he doesn't want to
have to play with one of the other kids, I'll call her Tizzy.  Tizzy is
a *challenging* child, and from all I've seen and heard about her (from
various sources, not just Ben), I don't think I'd enjoy playing with
her.  Ben has complained about her saying mean things, and they bicker
frequently (according to the daycare mother).  This always sounded like
typical 3-year-old stuff, but from his comments this weekend, I'm
starting to wonder if this is true.

I've never said anything negative about Tizzy to Ben, but she seems to
be a source of stress for Ben, to say the least.  Tizzy is the only
other full-time child who is close in age to Ben.  One other child (a
part-timer) is also about 3, but Ben doesn't play with her much.  There
are a few other part-time children, and Ben likes playing with one of
them the one day a week he shows up.

How can I help Ben look forward to going to daycare more?  I know that I
can't choose his friends, nor create them out of thin air, but I also
know that I wouldn't like going somewhere every day where my peers were
people I disliked.

Beth Jones, mom to Ben (4/22/89) and Andy (4/3/91)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson)
Subject: Re: Another **New Mommy** Question
Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam NY
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:43:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.170624.4928@memstvx1.memst.edu> mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

   OK, whenever I lie down and roll over onto my side (either one, it
   doesn't matter) I feel the baby kicking like crazy!!  Is it
   possible that the baby is getting skwooshed or something??

Could be.  Maybe the baby just doesn't like it.  "They may be young, but
that doesn't keep them from having opinions".

--
--russ <nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> Businesses persuade; Governments force.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin)
Subject: Re: Help!  Baby fusses at breast--
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:19:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.034708.22762@news.acns.nwu.edu> connie@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Constance Stillinger) writes:
>Sometimes when I feed Morris, my 2-week-old, he will latch on, nurse
>for a minute or two, and then start to cry and struggle (arching his
>back, kicking, and pulling his head back).  He'll be okay for another
>minute after I take him off the breast and put him back on, and then
>he'll start to fuss again.
>
>I'm really at a loss on this.  I know he's getting plenty to eat
>ultimately because he gained a pound and a half in his first two weeks
>and he's making plenty of wet and dirty diapers.  I *think* I'm
>positioning him right because my nipples aren't sore.  I do change
>positions from feeding to feeding and alternate starting breasts.
>
>He's not particularly fussy between feedings, and sometimes he's calm
>during a feeding.  A burp, passing gas, or a bowel movement during a
>feeding will sometimes calm him, but not always.
>
>Does anyone have any insight?  I suspect it may be gas or
>uncomfortable peristalsis stimulated by feeding that he'll eventually
>outgrow, but I sure would like to make him more comfortable now if
>possible.

A one word answer here:  GAS.  Both of mine did this, which makes
you think you are poisening them or something, and my doctor gave
me the insight that they are just suffering from gas.  She recommended
Mylecon drops which helped one but not the other.  Talk to your
pediatrician and see what she says.

Marjorie


>
>Thanks,
>
>Connie (Morris's mom)


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: brighid@hern.stonemarche.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:07:49 EST
Organization: Hern the Hunter, Stonemarche (NH)

In article <1993Jan8.174710.20400@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
> 
> I haven't seen the item discussed here yet, and as the mother of a latch-key
> child and I'm curious about what other parent's reactions to the Schoo
> "Home Alone" incident are.
> -- 
> -+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+
> Nance Colucci                                      att!ihlpl!colucci
> "I'm a writer.  Be nice, or you'll wake up one day and be a story."
> -+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+

I'm not a mom yet (in May though!) but I am a writer! (And, yes, I do
write stories about people I know!)

In NH, there are very strong laws about leaving children alone. 

One Mom I know, not the most clueful person, left her 4-5 year old son in 
the minivan while she ran into a craft shop for something quick. John woke
up and wandered off. (10 blocks away?) She couldn't find him and eventually
spoke to a policeman. Well, a policeman found him standing in the middle 
of a intersection playing traffic cop. Once Mom was calm, she got an extremely
clear discussion of what the laws were and what the consequences were.

Leaving your preschool child, asleep in a car, while you just pop into a store 
is _not_ OK in NH. I don't know about the rules on school age children.


-- 
Brighid				Mom-to-be, 5/15/93
brighid@hern.stonemarche.org
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby furniture questions
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:03:23 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <19930106142720SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>, Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> writes:

> Currently, I'm wanting to move the crib to the next baby's room in
> a couple months when Melissa gets a big bed.  We will have to
> disassemble the crib to move it.  My husband says we should just
> let Melissa move to the new room since her room, the nursery, is
> already set up.  In my heart, that's *Melissa's* room!  I'm torn.
> It seems unfair to kick her out of her room, her furniture, and get
> a baby in the house all at once.  Any opinions???  Ferrell doesn't
> think she'll mind and that it'll be fun for her to get a new room.
> Sort of a "you're a big girl now - look at your new, big room!!!"


We had the same discussion when I was pregnant with our second child.  The
empty bedroom was "nicer" than my son's room--corner, with more windows.  My
husband insisted that our son would love having a new room, etc (same reasons
as yours Tamara).  But I felt strongly that for a child his/her room is a big
source of security and that to move our son would feel *to him* like yet
another upheaval and preference toward the baby.  Anyway, we ended up leaving
my son in his room and I'm glad we did.  Maybe others have done it the other
way and been happy, but I say why stress a kid any more than necessary?  It is
a stressful change anyway.  Oh, and remember what stresses kids also stresses
parents--why make YOUR life tougher? :)

Ann Helmers
Newsgroups: misc.kids