From: jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (JESSE MICHAEL FUCHS)
Subject: Re: The Zekester gets Serious, Maybe...
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:23:53 GMT

Zeke E. Pez (olw7845@rigel.tamu.edu) wrote:
> is a very gray area that adds to the vagueness of the PRO HOMO stance.
> REread you own words mentioning grey areas of consent and adults.  I agree
> that consenting mature adults is a less gray area with respect to HOMO's as
> compared to Pedo's,Necro's, *beasto's*. The fact remains that the "Consenting
> Adults is NOT clear cut!
	It is clear cut when it applies to homosexual adults.
> 
> 
> You have finally stated what I need to hear.
> See the above paragraphs as proof.
> 
> Hetero, Homo, Necros, *Beasto's*, Pedo's, and Bisexuals (sorry I failed to 
> mention this earlier) are all _sexual orientations_.  It has also been said 
> that these behaviours are inhereted (for the most part). Now when legislation
> is passed to protect discrimination based on _sexual orientation_, It MUST
> protect all of them including PEDOPHILIA.  Why is this so?
> Because this behaviour is deemed inhereted.  The person cannot be expected to
> hide his sexuality. If it is o.k. for the HOMO to galavant about screaming that
> "GAY is O.K." , and some HETERO mouthing off that "HETERO is the way to go",
> why should the PEDOPHILE or NECROPHILE be shut in their closet?
> Just because the act of screwing children and dead folks may be an illegal
> act, does not imply the right to discriminate against PEDOPHILES and
> NECROPHILES.  They are people too! Now should it be legal to discriminate
> against a self proclaimed PEDOPHILE or NECROPHILE even if they are not 
> sexually active (or even if they are)?
	No. A celibate pedophile should not be discriminated against, just
as someone who has tendencies to shoplift, but who restrains themselves from
doing anything illegal, would not be.
	If they commit pedophilia, then they have committed a crime. If not,
then how do you say they are or are not a pedophile? If you are 18, look
at a 14 year old, and think "Hmm...she's really cute," then you have 
pedophilic tendencies. Most of us have done this at least once - we're just
able to restrain ourselves from pursuing it anywhere beyond a thought.
> 
> If your answer is yes, it is o.k. to discriminate against them because they
> have partners that cannot consent, then you are a hipocrite because we
> have already aggreed that discrimination is discrimination.
> 
> If your answer is no, it is not o.k. to discriminate against them because they
> have partners that cannot consent, then you are at least consistent with
> our agreement that discrimination is discrimination. But you will strike a blow
> to the notion that "consenting adults" is a valid qualifier for the HOMO's.
> 
> If your answer is "another grey area" is at hand, then you have brought doubt
> upon the whole argument of protection of sexual orientation since the driving
> force behind the HOMO stance is the fact that sexual orientation is a clear
> cut non-grey area that people must realize.
> 
> So the question now stands:
> 
> If anti-discrimination legislation is sought for the protection of 
> _sexual orientation_, should all _sexual orientations_ be included or
> should some _sexual orientations_ be left out thus resulting in a form
> discrimination?
> 
> By the way, NO ONE has submitted an adequate definition of an ADULT.
> What is the matter, can the PRO HOMO factions not justify their own
> qualifier of what an ADULT is?
	Adult is a hazy term. In Colorado, the age of consent is 15. Here in
Mass., it's 16 or 17. In the Netherlands, I hear it's 12. I suppose there
is no concrete term for adult, being as there are no concrete laws, but I
think a reasonable definition would be "Someone who has at least attained
puberty, and, according to some definitions (including mine) has been in
that state for at least a few years.
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> |The Zekester, PRO HETERO and proud of it!!                   |
> |       **********         They call me homophobic,           |
> |    ***          ***      They call me bigotted,             |
> |  **<-------------****    They call me close-minded,         |
> | **  \          **** **   They call me intolerant,           |
> |**    \      ****/    **  They blame me for their problems,  |
> |**     \  ****  /     **  They cannot tolerate me,           |
> |**     ****    /      **  They cannot respect me,            |
> | ** **** \    /      **   They do not know me,               |
> |  ****    \  /      **         yet they judge me.            |
> |    ***    \/   ***                                          |
> |       **********         They must be heterophobes!!        |

> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 

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"There are five billion people in the world.
 I wonder how many of them we can screw over."
					-Skippy
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