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From: nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: CONTROVERSY KHATAM
Keywords: Ahmadiyya Islam
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:53:52 GMT
Reply-To: nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Organization: Colorado State U. Center for Computer Assisted Engineering.


In article <92104.04063632JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>,
32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry) writes:
> Salam Alaikum :
> 
>         Those who says 'Lanatullahe allal kazbeen' to muslimeen in
fact 'Lantua
> llahe allal Qadianeeen' and say 'sallo alaih wasallam to khatum mursaleen'.




My dear netters:

Mr. Jafry does not want to say "Lana tullah hie kazabeen: may the curse
of Allah be on the liars", rather he is suggesting something else. Why
he does not want to say that, because he knows he is a liar. If he is
not a liar then why does he not join with me in saying "Lana tullah hie
kazabeen"? Moreover Mr. Qadir has also joined him. 

You fanatic people are proving your falsness your self.

May Allah show you the right path. And may Allah teach you some respect
for other beliefs. 







Sincerly,

	
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        Nabeel Ahmad Rana, (LOVE FOR ALL : HATRED FOR NONE)   |    /\    |
        April 13, 1992.                                       |  \____/  |
                                                             
|___smile__|
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 17:31:05 EDT
From: Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Prof. Iqbal Azeem, anyone.....a request
 <92106.04320332JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>

Salam Alaikum :

        I know Iqbal Azeem since childhood.  He was fast friend to my father an
d was in East Pakistan.  In 1970 he came to Pakistan.  He also wrote several bo
oks of prose like 'sat sitary' etc.  He is Milton of urdu language.  His eye si
ghts remain very week and hardly he can read, though he used to come to Mushair
ah in Karachi by wearing white shirwani.  He always recite with 'tarunnum'.  Fo
r Br. Adil Najam :

         'Jo tumhare dil main shokook hain to ye ahad name fuzool hain
          jo khutoot merain hain phar do jo tumharey khast hain samait lo'

                                                              Iqbal Azeem

 Ustad qamar    'Hai tere sar ki qasam farq sare munh bhi nahi
                 jisqadar ham hain parishan tere geso bhi nahi
                 Aie qamar shub ke andheray me lahad hai meri
                 shama turbat to bari bat hai jugno bhi nahi


        please read 'munh' in persian munh means 'baal' like munh mubarak, this
isusedfor the ball of prophet (s), my urdu is limited to daily jung for the las
t 26 years, so please correct me if I am wrong.

        Those who are asking technical question by sending e-mail to me they ar
e requested to please ask Mirza Mohammed Javed. He is already writing on jamat
tableeg on the net.  He is Hafiz Quran and thumping knowledge of Quran and hadi
ths. He is also my sheikh.  I learnt from him a lot.  Nowaday he is doing Ph.D
in Electrical Engg. at Ohio State. Please do not send me e-mail, I am tired of
replying to brothers and sisters.  salam.
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Please reply Mr Nasir Ahmed Noor
Date: 5 Apr 92 22:05:49 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada



If you were an atheist, i would say Asslam-o-Alakum to you even then.
Doesn't bother me if you can't say me asslam-o-alakum!!

Sir,
The fact is, if you dare to listen, the invitation to ** THE MUBAHILA ** was
from us and was distributed to millions of people in the Pakistan and it is
also a documented fact the none of your so called, fraud, Maulvis dared to
accept the challenge of Mubahila. Not even one. If some says I did, he is a
liar and Lana-tullah-e-Alal-Kaze-been. (May Allah's curse be on liar).

Your maulvi Tahir Qadri invited our Hazoor to the Minar-e-Pakistan and said
if this Mirza shows up at 'minar', I will accept the challenge and we will
spend the whole night there and will see who turns other one in the morning
(this is not the exact account of the events, but this is roughly what he
said). It was a confirmed report to us thru our own Inteligence system that
he plans to murder our Hazoor thru some anonymous attackers that night and
wanted to show the world that Mirza has been punished by God. Very Celver
plan indeed. 

Don't ask me the source or confirmation of these reports, I just would say
that if it weren't upto to excellent security and intellignce system in
Pakistan, hundereds and thousands of our Khalifas would have been killed by 
today by your claiming to be scholars frauds.

Hope this answer is enough. 

These are also documented facts that our Scholars used to go to "Munaziras"
(a face to face public debate) called by your Maulvis. It was a common 
practice that when the maulvi is getting speechless and is getting beaten 
on every argument he presents, he would cause violance to start thru some
ready gangsters. Not to mention that all this was always preplanned. Out
Jammat noticed this practice hundereds of times and concluded that although
we go to these debates with fair heart, the opponents participate only
to end it up in violance and disturbance of peace. So we decided that we
won't be going to these invitations any more. Although any one is well
come to come to our mosques, meet our Khalifa and scholars and present 
questions and stuff, but this MUNAZIRA thing was a biggest fraud held
by maulvis there.     This fact and policy also effected the decission
of Hazoor not to see Jafry.

Nasir Ahmed Noor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: faseeh@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU ()
Subject: Re: Did this happen to you, too ?
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:56:44 GMT

I remember seeing a news report a short while back about some of the 
airlines keeping passengers' passports with them until arrival at JFK.
Apparently there has been a surge in the number of people arriving at
JFK, getting rid of their papers and presenting themselves to the
Immigration counter asking for asylum. According to the current law,
they are allowed to stay in the US (and allowed to work) during the time
their asylum request is being processed. (I am not sure about this, but
if you have been legally admitted to the US, then asylum requests are
treated differently, hence the need to get rid of papers).

In view of the above, the US immigration has started holding the airlines
accountable for making sure that all passengers have their legal papers
with them when they arrive at JFK. A number of airlines were fined last
year (I don't remember the exact figure but it was in hundreds of thousands
of dollars). So, some of the airlines especially the smaller ones have
started the practice of keeping everybody's passports (especially those
from 'less privileged' countries) with them until arrival at JFK. They
are not too happy themselves about doing it, but are even less happy
about paying huge fines to the US authorities.

Faseeh
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Subject: Re: My beliefs;I
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 14:30:34 GMT

>From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
>Subject: Re: My beliefs,I

>>  Prophets are ordinary people.

>Does that mean that prophets are just as fallible as you and me. 

 Prophets are capable of doing all sins which humans do.
They choose not to do. Its their character and morality that 
makes them prophet. Example: When Muhammad(PBUH) addressed
his tribe about revelations, he asked,'You know me for
40 years. Did I ever lie? Was I ever dishonest?' People  shouted
'No'. 

> The point I was trying to make
>is that it seems ok for all religious folks like you to believe in a
>miracle when it falls with the realm of your own religion but they are 
>immediately branded as 'impossible/hoax' when other religions claim 
>the same. Why is that?

One should analyze his/her own religion to clear the hypocrisy.
>
>But how do you know what jobs fall within the purview of god ? Are they
>limited by some other forces ? 
How can He break His own Law?
>If Jesus was considered a prophet by the 
>Quran, then it places him under the same category as prophet Mohammed.
>If prophet Mohammed is not considered an ordinary person, then why is 
>Jesus considered an ordinary person? 
 
Holy prophet Muhammad(PBUH) was an ordinary person. Read his biography.

>I believe you all are supposed to wait for this promised 
>Messiah/Mahdi. Maybe he/she/it has new messages to bring.

We, Ahmadi Muslim believe  Messiah came in last century. 
He brought two messages: 
      Jesus is Dead, he 'll not come to rescue muslims by killing
millions of infidels. 
     The only way Islam can be spread is through PEN and reasoning
not by any other means. Religious wars were prohibited by 
promised Messiah.
>

>I agree with all of them. But the last one - why limit the date way back 
>to 700 AD. We can just as well claim that no one could go to the skies
>until the hot air balloon was invented (what date was that anyway?).

I forgot the exact date. I agree with you.
>But I fail to see why you do not believe in the miracles of someone 
>who has been declared a prophet by your own holy book which you take
>for granted. I see that as hipocrisy.

No, Jesus is my prophet too. It just happened I don't interpret Quran
that way.

>Further, Quran clearly says that you are to respect all other religions.
>This has been mentioned on SCP at least a 100 times before. But if you 
>dismiss the very prophets of those religions as ordinary people with 
>dubious distinctions, then how can you respect those religions ? Is this 
>respect just to be some kind of a pretense ? If I was in your position,
>believing everything that my holy book said, then I would definetely
>not be able to respect other religions. 

I respect every religion. I am speaking the truth. 
Quran teaches US to respect other religion.
Where did I forget this point??
From: nadeem@p.igp.ethz.ch (Nadeem Malik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Test. Ignore this e-mail
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:01:51 GMT
Reply-To: nadeem@p.igp.ethz.ch
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich
 Institute of Geodesy and Photogrammetry
 CH-8093 Zurich    (Switzerland)

This is just a test.
From: khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: SCARY THOUGHT
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:54:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.45174
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Apr13.165234.1611@crc.ac.uk>, fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (Ms F. Khurshid) writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.113643.2376@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu>, vu0208@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (!) writes:
> > In article <45006@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND) writes:
> 
> > >I just had a very scary thought.What would happen if all the people
> > > on SCP were locked in a room without any exits.This is a very scary thought     indded any comments??.
> > 
> > An ingenious thought experiment indeed.
> > 
> > How big is this room, does it have any windows or a ceiling!
> > Also imagine if there is no cold water or ice in this room! scarier...!
> > 
> 
> Oh I get it!  It's one of those lateral thinking questions!   So now we ask you
> questions to find out why all SCP correspondents were in the one room 
> to start with....................
> ....................................the mind boggles.

      hehehe well i'll let your imagination think about it......
     

     As for the room well it is a big enough to accomadate all the die hard 
scp correspondents.It does have a ceiling but no windows so that no one can 
call for help from within a room.




think about it....



            ___  
Lahori (LHL 111) Poond
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: obaidr@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (OBAID ARIF)
Subject: Re: Thanks God
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:48:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.183014.68258@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid) writes:
>Dear Arshad Hussain,
>
>What   ever   your  belief  is,  I  am  not concerned  with  it  but 
>please do not quote the quranic  verses incorrectly.  The verse
>which you have quoted is not  complete.  There is no point in
>leaving one or any part of it. If you want to use quranic verses
>in your discussion then use it  with its originality.  Your mutilation
>is  definitly changing  the meaning of it and its  context.
>
>Zaalik Al-Kitaab o Hudal-lil- Muttaqeen
>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                        La  Raai  Ba  Feeh 
>(This Book(Quran) is guide for God Fearing people)
>
>Its  better not to quote the actual verse,  you can communicate  your
>point of view by just using the meaning of it.  At least this way you can
>avoid a mistake which can put you and your belief in jeopardy.
>
	Correction. The verse is :"Zaalik Al-Kitaabu La Rai Ba Feeh, Hudal-
	lil-muttaqeen."    [Surah 2 : Verse 2 ]
	The translation is as follows: "This is the Book; In it is guidance
	sure, without doubt, To those who fear Allah."

	It would be better to read verse 2,3,4,and 5 together to fully 
understand the meaning of verse 2. Hence, the following are verses 3-5.

	3. Who believe in the Unseen, Are steadfast in Prayer, And spend
out of what We have provided for them;
	4. And who believe in the revelation sent to thee, And sent before
thy time, And (in their hearts) Have assurance of the Hearafter.
	5. They are on (true guidance), From their Lord, and it is These 
who will prosper.

			
>SOHBAN SHAHID                 e-mail ss511583@longs.lance.ColoState.Edu
>Civil Engineering Department        (303) 491 7710/5844/8204 (work)
>Colorado State University           (303) 224 0397  (home)
>Ft. Collins, CO-80523

Arif Obaid

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jamal@z.eecs.umich.edu (Jamal Mubarak)
Subject: Re: Can science come back to Islam [Part 2]
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 06:47:59 GMT


It seems that this posting of mine never made it out.

JM

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From caen!hellfire.engin.umich.edu!jamal Fri Apr  3 07:57:13 EST 1992
Article: 18733 of soc.culture.pakistan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: saeed@a.cs.okstate.edu (SAEED FAISEL)
Subject: another thought ...
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 20:41:45 GMT

	Walking on the lakeside, when I see rocks and pebbles,
	I think ...
	Little rocks need lots of TLC (tenderness, love and care)
	'cause they have had such a hard life.


-- 

Faisel Saeed

Computer Science Department,   Oklahoma State University,   Stillwater, OK
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 04:36:37 EDT
From: Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: 'Ham agai to garmia bazar dekhna'

Salam Alaikum :    Abdul Monem Khan Saheb

      Mashallah app to ism ba mussam hain.  Yes, you got the right one but I do
 not know how you dare to post this on the net.  Salam Alaikum.
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Again for Mr Nabeel or other Qadianis
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:32:41 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada



Mr. khan,  You write

that exam and result is infront of all the world, he died in a worse place....

Lana-tulla-he-alal-kazebeen.

I guess you didn't read my letter on this subject a few days. If you didn't,
ask me and I will send you a copy.  Stop playing these Dirty and insulting 
tricks. 
What ever you say is a lie, buh'tan, bakwass.....etc.  Was any of your 
maulvi (almost everyone of whom is a specialist of such dirty language/tricks)
present at Hazrat Ahmad's bed side when he passed away???  Even if we suppose
only for a second that it did happen this way, you think that family members
and extremely close companions who were there would have let this news
out?  Does your logic accepts it?

Besides, it is pure hoax and May Allah's curse be on liar and a bigger and
stronger curse on one who persists on lying even when explained the truth!!!


Instead of answering rest of your letter, I draw your attention to my new
article (Advent of Promised Messiah) It will answer your letter.


Regards
Nasir Ahmed Noor
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jamal@z.eecs.umich.edu (Jamal Mubarak)
Subject: Re: Qadian: New Aspects reply
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:39:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.154013.1160@uwovax.uwo.ca> 3040_3744@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
>In article <!vf+1W=@engin.umich.edu>, jamal@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jamal Mubarak) writes:
>> 
>> Pray, what dictionary is this?  One which does not exist?  Mr Noor and
>> Mr Rana have already backed off.  Why don't you back off too?
>
>I did't know that you are such an ignorant that you don't even know the meaning
>of dictionary. If you need help go to the library and ask them about Arabic

I think it is clear from the above that I am asking for a reference to a
dictionary rather than the meaning of the word 'dictionary.'

>dictionary I am sure they would have it, Otherwise just ask some one from any
>Arab country to send you a copy of Arabi Lughat such as Lisan or Mufridat.

Guess what?  I did go to the library and looked up every dictionary I could
find, not just one.  And my friend, you are dead wrong about the meaning of
the word 'khatam.'

>I hope it will help you. If I will tell you some meanings from the dictionaries
>which I have you may not beleive it as  usual. So its better for you to have

You are not serious here, are you?  What dictionaries are these?  I have been
asking people on this net to quote word for word from Arabic dictionaries.  Can
you please do so?

>your own copy.
>Noor and Rana Nabeel are not backed off. Its just your stburness which makes
>every one feel like talkings to stones rather than any sensible humanbeing.

Yeah, I bet asking for a verifiable reference is not being sensible.

>M.Hameed A. Munawar
    
Jamal [amazed] Mubarak
From: aq0@engr12.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: use TALK for these long discussions...
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:10:13 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas

i have a suggestion for all these long discussions,

use talk command sit for three hours and settle it, then and

there. then mail the proceedings to the persons requesting

those through email. 

You may post the announcement for such request on SCP.


or shift you religious flames to any of the religious groups

and let us live in peace.


good part there are no charges for using the talk command.


Amer Qureshi.

  [Mein tere sang kaisey chaloon sajna
                       too samandar hei mein shilon ke ha
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: aq0@engr.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Subject: Re: use TALK for these long discussions...
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:48:32 GMT

aq0@engr12.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi) writes:

>i have a suggestion for all these long discussions,
>
>use talk command sit for three hours and settle it, then and
>
>there. then mail the proceedings to the persons requesting
>
>those through email. 
>
>You may post the announcement for such request on SCP.
>
>
>or shift you religious flames to any of the religious groups
>
>and let us live in peace.
>
>
>good part there are no charges for using the talk command.
>
>
>Amer Qureshi.
>
>  [Mein tere sang kaisey chaloon sajna
>                       too samandar hei mein shilon ke ha
                                                        hawa] please correct
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: blrj_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (MUSTT MALANG)
Subject: Re: SCARY THOUGHT
Organization: University of Rochester Computing Center
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 19:46:22 GMT

In article <45174@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND) writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.165234.1611@crc.ac.uk>, fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (Ms F. Khurshid) writes:
> > In article <1992Apr13.113643.2376@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu>, vu0208@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (!) writes:
> > > In article <45006@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND) writes:
> > 
> > > >I just had a very scary thought.What would happen if all the people
> > > > on SCP were locked in a room without any exits.This is a very scary thought     indded any comments??.
> > > 
> > > An ingenious thought experiment indeed.
> > > 
> > > How big is this room, does it have any windows or a ceiling!
> > > Also imagine if there is no cold water or ice in this room! scarier...!
> > > 
> > 
> > Oh I get it!  It's one of those lateral thinking questions!   So now we ask you
> > questions to find out why all SCP correspondents were in the one room 
> > to start with....................
> > ....................................the mind boggles.
> 
>       hehehe well i'll let your imagination think about it......
>      
> 
>      As for the room well it is a big enough to accomadate all the die hard 
> scp correspondents.It does have a ceiling but no windows so that no one can 
> call for help from within a room.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> think about it....
> 
> 
> 
>             ___  
> Lahori (LHL 111) Poond  
 

Well, presumably to get all the scp correspondents into the room in the first
place, you would need a door (or did you just build the room around them?).  Therefore, there has to some time type of exit .  However, the question now seems
to be what would cause that magical door to reappear ? Perhaps the elimination of all but one of the scp netters...like in the WWF Royal Rumble...
         
Yes, I can imagine this scene...Pink Floyd aka Ghalib and Sajid facing off in 
a duel either verbal or physical (should make interesting viewing) and the  
rest of the net attacking the unfortunate Jafry Sahib.  And finally, Naveed 
and Adil standing around and reciting poetry in a Mushaira cum battle of 
prose and lyrics...just one question would everyone be face to face or 
have their trusty computers with them ?   

MUSTT [...let the battle begin...           
       ...let the vengeance ensue...        
       ...for in the end there will be but one true king...] MALANG
 
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