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From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Re: linguistic root of "thai"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:12:18 GMT

tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell) writes:

>..stuff deleted...


>I noticed that Bangkok Thais do *not* pronounce the second consonant in
>clusters so they speak Thai the same as Isaan Thais.  I always assumed
>that this was because so many Isaan Thais had move to Bangkok and they
>took over the accent.  

>examples: Khrup (thanks), Kry (who), Blou (empty).

I am not sure this factually true. To me, the people from Bangkok and many
provinces in the central region are the only groups who neatly pronounce 
clusters.  There might be an exception for the southern Thais or those that 
live near Khmer border. If Khun Tim's observation can be generalized, 
that is "Bangkok Thais do *not* pronounce the second consonant in clusters"
it could be because of the influence of other groups as well. The Taejew
factor, as Ajarn Charnvit has observed, could still be the case since
cluster, particularly l/r clusters, is not well significant. 

Talking about the influence of one group(s) upon the others, I believe it
could not be validly concluded simply by citing the size of such group(s).
Language influence, like other social factors, is generated through social
structure. It depends on who speak what. High class who take control of
the ruling power always and effectively determine what kind of culture, 
including language, is acceptable for the society. Issan people could out
number many groups including the Taejew Chinese but their influence, IMO,
should not be much. They come to Bangkok to fill in vacant positions in 
the lower echalons if not the lowest of Bangkok society. They have not
control over cultural devices. One may argue that Isaan singers are quite
popular in Bangkok. The thing is who are fans of them. They are mostly 
their fellows Isaan or other Thais who come from rurul areas. High educated
people are not often seen fond of this kind of music (Mo+Lam). 

>Anyway, since thai=free, when people at the temple ask me
>"ow ahan thai mai", does this mean they are offering me "free" food
>and I should *not* have to pay?  :-)

>tim

I like this twist! :) :) :) 
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From: fstawit@convx1.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Subject: Sanity Index Plunged Additional 10%
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:12:35 GMT


Now that the thing that didn't matter -May17 politics- had passed,
let's talk about the thing that matters -stock/economy.

Although I am an enemy of a non-dhammic (ie. damnic) capitalist,
this time I would like to side with Sia' Song. I don't know why
I decided that way, perhaps because I'm always anti-social, just
for the fun of it :)

People like SS have helped built Thailand's stock market from scratch
until it blooms and starts to bear fruits now. Now, jealousy and politics
have determined that people like him is of no use and decided to kick
him out. (They were too stupid to realize the impact such an action
would make to the market; otherwise they would still let him
loose as always. All of them have stakes at stock price. I wouldn't
be too surprised to learn that this is part of a market manipulation,
ie., they stupidly thought that the arrest of SS would boost the market
for a short term profits.)

Assume as true that he manipulated the market. But my common sense tell
me that that's a fair game. If I bought stock I certainly would do
all I could to manipulate including buying the product of my company
rather than the competition's. Should I be arrested for that? The one
that should be arrested are those officials who were too stupid to
let stocks be manipulated and who were usually corrupt in cooporating
with SS to manipulate.

And what's wrong with taking over a company? (SS was accused of doing so.)
I thought it's only fair that one becomes the owner of a company when
one's stock is 50%+. You should not list your company in public if you
don't wanted it to be taken over; it's your choice; why complain?

POOR Sia Song, please have my sympathy. May the court set you free.
(Plea innocent by reasons of insanity, and you can go play golf with Sia Su)
May your trouble be as short as the lives of our democratic governments.
And may your prosperity last as long as the list of the missing people
in the May17 event. 

-(Hope-to-be) Sia Wit.

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From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: What're up in other newsgroups? (as of Nov.15, 1992)
Keywords: Thai
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:37:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxsF9s.6Bw
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

There are two more articles on Thailand. One is about the flood in southern
Thailand that killed 3 people. The other is about the angers of Thais on
the amnesty decree. Read them in:

From:       clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.disaster
Subject:    Three dead in flooding in southern Thailand
Date:       14 Nov 92 15:34:32 GMT

From:       clarinews@clarinet.com (JOHN HAIL)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.issues.civil_rights,
            clari.news.military
Subject:    Amnesty for military angers Thais
Date:       Sun, 15 Nov 92 5:15:09 PST

In seasia-l, Khun Cuban Tan also posted two more ariticle about Karens'
attack at the Thai border. I believe all of us have access to this newsgroup.
Anyone interested in them, please log in to it.
From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok Post Nov 22: Political mags roundup
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:44:47 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


Government in a quandary
 
WHICHEVER way you look at it, Territorial Defence DirY,WK1Q59)Yuthapan Makaramanee's criticism of the Government clearly signals 
the fact that Thai politi,.$-.$.K+Kk)K=AI=	15M9Q!)chances of a political upheaval is rising, say.$*K+k+K=1U59%MQ)Rambutree 516.
 
Lt-Gen Yuthapan who used to be a close colleaguYHKi*KiU!%9)Kraprayoon said that "the Government's work is improving but therYHais still uncertainties within the Government. The stability will 
depend on the leaders' administration of:4YH,+9QIe9=UI)political system is still one of business politics and there i.$kIxhonour system, therefore good soldiers are wary of politics."
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From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Bangkok Post Nov 23: Doctors leaving govt services in drove
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:53:03 GMT


Does anyone agree with me that our government should put more caps on
those greedy doctors.  They should be required to work for the public
hospital for at least ten to fifteen years before leaving for a private
sector.  I think the government subsidizes without enough condition.  Also
maybe we should tax those private hospitals ten times more than now and
use that fund to support our public hospitals.
What do you people think?
Thian

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From: noi@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Nittida Nuansri)
Subject: Re: email: address needed
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:11:14 GMT

adisak@cirrus.com (Adisak Mekkittikul) writes:

>Sawasdee Krub s.c.t netter,

>I would like to contact someone at King Mongkut Inst. of Tech. 
>Bangmod and Ladkrabang. But I don't have their email addr.

Send mail to postmaster@ladwff.kmitl.ac.th.  (KMIT Ladkrabang).

Nittida
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From: kxc@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Khuanchai Chooboonraj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: YOU NERDY GEEKS!!!
Date: 22 Nov 1992 00:57:04 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

crutiras@bu.edu (Chokdee Robert) writes:

>In response to the article posted by TM41@lafibm.lafayette.edu

>Please refrain from posting anything further in this newsgroup.  If you
>don't have anything nice to say, JUST SHUT THE MOUTH!!!!

>We Thai People are proud of our country and do not need people like you
>to come into our homeland or our newsgroup and disgrace it.

>Sincerely,

>C. Robert Rutirasiri

Take it easy. What is really going on?

Our country is not perfect so it's good to listen to the others sometimes.

Actually, I don't think that I saw an original msg at all.
To post "shut up and go away" type msg is a bit too aggressive.

cheers,
kc

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From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Tai
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:05:54 GMT

In article <9232815.501@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> noi@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Nittida Nuansri) writes:
>bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu () writes:
>
>
>>Can anyone tell me the reason that many central Thai people often look
>>down on Khon Mueng (Lanna-Thai) and Khon Lao (Laanchang) when we all share
>
>You forgot "Khon Tai^" (sothern people).
>
>How about the answer is "because they are envy those people somehow"? :-)
>Such as we (not central people) can speak more than one language
>while they can not.
>
>Take it easy, please.  I don't mean to create a war.   Just want to say that
>may be because of the difference of language used in different part and
>people can make fun on it.  I don't think they really mean to look donw
>on thers so much.
>
>Nittida


I couldn't disagree more.  Although it's not as bad as racism in America,
the tention in our country is beyond just making fun of different accents.
 It comes with all kinds of discriminations, like jobs, and marriages for
example.
After all, making fun of people's way of life shows how insensitive our
society is.

Regards.

Thian
From: tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Thai work ethics
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:41:25 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

Does anybody know??

	1. How many days a week do most Thais work?
	   I have heard 6 days and 6.5 days.  I have also heard most
 	   Thais have more than one job.

	2. How do Thais feel about the quality of work produced by
	   their own countrymen?
	   Many Americans will *not* buy Americans cars because
	   they believe the cars have poor quality because the
	   workers are lazy.  Do Some Thais feel the same about
	   specific Thai products?  I have heard that Thais prefer
	   to buy Japanese products rather than American products
	   because the quality is the same and the price is cheaper.

	3. Do Thais have any expressions about their work week?
	   Many Americans will claim that their American car runs
	   so well (have it for 10 years and it still hasn't broken
	   down) because it was *made* on a Wednesday.  Many Americans
	   are distrustful of products manufactured on Monday or
	   Friday because workers are thinking about the weekend
	   and not doing their job correctly.


Thanks,

	tim
From: fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Bangkok Post Nov 23: Chuan coalition on rocking boat
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:21:28 GMT
Organization: Institute for Computational Mechanics in Propulsion-NASA  LeRC

In article <9211221323.AA25707@ipied.tu.ac.th.tu.ac.th> 
kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak) writes:
>
>BAngkok Post Nov 23: Coalition govt under pressure
> 
> .................
>And instead of tackling economic woes resulting from poltiical 
>problems caused by the military coup in February last year, he is 
>focussing on social issues, the Chart Pattana secretary general 
>said.
> 
>Tackling issues like prostitution is something that will take 
>decades to solve because it is essentially a social and economic 
>problem. "The Chuan government does not have much to show as far 
>as work is concerend because it has set set the wrong priorities.
> 

Right, His top priority should have been 'to get rid of you.'


>"Instead of solving economic problems, he is going after social 
>issues," he said.

Everything, economics, politics, etc. are social issues. Without
a firm basis in social infrastructure, I'm afraid the economy and
politics will be fragile ones. As I said many times before, just
give them a just society and the Thais will prosper in due time.

-tawit
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From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok Post Nov 20: Revenge hatched
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:31:17 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


THE House Industry Committee yesterday announced that it would 
summon former prime minister Anand Panyarachun to testify over the 
legality of the ASEAN Free Trade Area (AFTA) treaty since it has 
not yet been ratified by Parliament.
 
Committee spokesman Veerakorn Kamprakorb (Chart Thai, Nakhon 
Sawan) said that Mr Anand will have to testify to the panel on 
whether his action is constitutional since Article 178 of the 
charter specified that all international treaties will have to be 
ratified by Parliament first before it can be considered 
effective.
 
"When Mr Anand signed AFTA (ASEAN Free Trade Area) there were no 
Parliaments in existence," Mr Veerakorn said.
 
He said that the committee, chaired by Chart Pattana MP for Nakhon 
Ratchasima, Korn Dabbaransi, has written to the Commerce Ministry 
enquiring if the agreement can be effective without the 
ratification by Parliament.
 
He charged that Mr Anand signed the agreement unilaterally without 
consultations with the business sector or considering it in 
Parliament.
 
Former premier Anand has been a target of what observers see as an 
attempt to extract political revenge by many of the opposition 
parties -- particularly those whose leaders have been charged with 
being unusually rich.
 
AFTA is to be effective in January next year for 15 types of 
goods. Mr Veerakorn claimed that Thai goods which will be 
adversely affected by the agreement will include vegetable oil, 
plastic pellet, glass and mirror products, electrical goods, 
rubber products and leather goods.
 
He identified the Thai products that will enjoy an advantage as a 
result of AFTA as textile, garment, manufactured plastic, gems, 
ceramic, cement and chemical products.
 
Goods that will not be affected by AFTA will include fertiliser, 
pulp, electronic products, rattan goods and bronze.
 
Mr Veerakorn said that the committee will invite various trade 
associations to testify on the effect of AFTA on their products.
From: cslac2209@bestsd.sdsu.edu (UNALOME TECHAMUANVIVIT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: thai dances
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:02:00 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <92323.110716AXB9@psuvm.psu.edu>, <AXB9@psuvm.psu.edu>                               writes...
> 
>My husband and me are planning to go to Thailand in December. We
>will be in Bangkok from December 25 till 30 and in Phuket later
>till January 7. We would love to see thai dances. Can anyone
>recommend places to see them. Information about decent but not
>very expensive places to stay would also be appreciated. Is it
>necessary to make reservations now?

Try Tam-Nak'Thai restuarant on Rajadapisake Road.  The food is good and
inexpensive and they also have decent Thai classical dancing (from Thai
Classical Dance School of the Fine Arts Department of Thailand.)  The
good point is the Thai Calssical dance is *free* with dinner, and the 
dinner itself is also inexpensive. 

You shouldn't have any problem locating this restuarant in Thailand. After
all, it is granted the world's largest restuarant by Guinness Book of World
Records.  It is on Rajadapisake Road, near Yaohan department store and next
to Robinson department store (Rajadapisake branch.)  Any taxi in bangkok
would be able to take you there.

>Thank you in advance,

My Pleasure,

Unalome :)
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From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Ministry withdraws farm bill (fwd)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:21:17 GMT
Keywords: Thailand


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To: post-thai@ipied.tu.ac.th
Subject: Bangkok Post Nov 24: Ministry withdraws farm bill
Cc: trin@ipied.tu.ac.th
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THE Agriculture and Cooperatives Ministry has decided against 
tabling the controversial National Agricultural Council Bill in 
Cabinet today, pending further talks.
 
Agricultural Minister Nibhon Promphan said he first planned to ask 
Thailand Development Research Institute president Ammar Siamwalla 
and leading agro-economist Chermsak Pinthong for their views on 
the draft.
 
Both Dr Ammar and Mr Chermsak have in the past expressed strong 
opposition to the draft proposed by the ministry.
 
Both have said that the section empowering the agricultural 
council to collect and spend premiums on farm products could 
undermine government fiscal discipline.
 
The proposed agricultural council also may not represent the 
farmers in the same way as the Thai Chamber of Commerce and 
Federation of Thai Industries.
 
Mr Nibhon also said yesterday that many felt the collection of 
premiums on farm products might hurt farmers if merchants passed 
the burden onto them.
 
He said the draft contained no measure to prevent this and so the 
Cabinet would be asked to come up with a remedy.
 
But the minister was adamant that the ministry had prepared 
measures in the bill which would ensure that the agricultural 
council represents farmers.
 
The Agriculture and Cooperatives Ministry will forward the draft 
as well as the points raised by its opponents to the Cabinet for 
consideration along with any drafts which may be proposed by other 
coalition members.
 
These drafts and proposals may then be amalgamated into the bill 
proposed by the Agriculture and Cooperatives Ministry before being 
forwarded to the Juridical Council for final consideration.
 
The bill will then be sent to Parliament for deliberation.
 
Mr Nibhon said he was not sure if the bill would be ready in time 
for deliberation by Parliament during the present session, due to 
end in the middle of next month.
From: tchau@athena.mit.edu (Terry Chau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Where can I get Thai news?
Date: 22 Nov 92 14:18:15 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

I see Bangkok Post articles in this newsgroup.  Where do you get them?  Are there
any FTP or Telnet sites or other newsgroups that have news about Thailand?  It
doesn't have to be from the Bangkok Post either.

I'm doing this as a favor for my Thai friend.  And I'd rather get the articles
directly instead of forwarding them to her.

Thanks!

-- Chau
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Re: Law
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:19:12 GMT
Keywords: properties' law

orapin@anathema.engin.umich.edu (Orapin  chuanromanee) writes:


>In article <1992Nov20.193204.12874@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, chana@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (chana.nasamran) writes:
>> In article <yFG=cgC@engin.umich.edu> orapin@kenning.engin.umich.edu (Orapin  chuanromanee) writes:
>> >
>> >  Finally, they came up with a compromise solution.
>> >  First, she will divorce her husband, then, change
>> >  her fist name by addition her last name in parenthesis and re-marriage
>> >  her husband!
>> 
>> Couldn't she just change her first name without divorcing her husband?

I thought Khun Chana meant "last name" when he wrote "first name." I also
share with Khun Orapin in her doubt that anybody can change his/her first
name any time he or she wants. Changing last name, however, is another 
story. It could involve some complicated processes.
From: anuchit@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul)
Subject: Re: YOU NERDY GEEKS!!!
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:03:48 GMT

In article <15NOV92.22987012.0019@lafibm.lafayette.edu> TM41@lafibm.lafayette.edu (TM41000) writes:
>
>     Hi fellas, I'm talking to you, yeah you.  Don't be a nerdy geek,
> get a life.  How about a party?  Let's have some fun.  I'm ready for
> a blast, what about you guys?  Life is too short, party on!  I'll be
> in Bangkok over Christmas break, we can hang out there too.  Come on
> dudes, loosen up.  Don't be too serious, let's meet in Pat Pong.
> How about 11 o'clock tonight, if it's cool with you then it's cool
> with me.  So, it's a deal then.  I'll be very dissapointed if you
> guys don't show up.  If Pat Pong is not an apprpriate place, we can
> meet at Vibration or Hard Rock instead.  You gorgeous girls should
> consider showing up as well, come and experience the night life of
> the city that never sleeps.
>                                       Adios Amigos

Let me say on the behalf of all Thais that Thailand is NOT Pat Pong. 
For any person who visits Thailand for Pat Pong or any kind of sex
tour, let me tell you also that your presence in Thailand IS NOT WELCOME. 
If you are real dumb and want to die, you better go shoot your head 
-- it is a lot cheaper, faster and less painful than AIDS. 

[lafibm.lafayette.edu] 
User Id: TM41     Name: dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

This person is real sick and coward.  Let me tell you whoever you are
that your nonsense message is not welcome here.  

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One day, Pat Pong will be wiped out of the map and 
the dignity of Thai women will be restored.   
The name "Thailand" will, one day, be clean. 
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Anuchit
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