From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Messianic Judaism 4 Of 4
Date: 20 Jul 92 23:41:02 GMT
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 RAL> From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
 RAL> Message-ID: <9207190638.AA05736@aplpy.jhuapl.edu>
            -=> Quoting Robert A. Levene to Bill Carlson <=-
 > RS> I'm sure the MJ movement is alive and well wherever there
 > RS> are Jews with weak Jewish knowledge.
 > BC> Weak Jews?!...
 > BC> [list of names deleted]
 RAL> Thanks for posting the names.  Will b'n investigate.

Here are some more names I had on disk of famous Jewish Believers.
I think most of them are not repeats of what I already gave you:

Michael Solomon Alexander   David Baron
Joachim Heinrich Raphael Biesenthal   Abraham Capadose
Carl Paul Caspari   Selig Paulus Cassel   Isaac da Costa
Benjamin Disraeli   Alfred Edersheim   Christian David Ginsburg
Solomon Ginsburg   Isaac Helmuth   William Herschel
Haymin Herschell   Ludwig Jacoby   Christian Andreas Herman Kalkar
Julius Kobner   Leon Levison   Iechiel Lichtenstein
Isidor Lowenthal   Felix Mendelssohn   August Neander
Friedrick Adolph Philippi   Joseph Rabinowitz
Shabbetai Benjamin Rohold   Isaac Salkinson
Aaron Adolph Saphir   Joseph Schereschewsky
Charles Andrew Schonberger   Friedrick Julius Stahl
Henry Aaron Stern   Max Wertheimer   Joseph Wolff
Hayim Yedidiah Pollack   John Cournos   Richard Wurmbrand ...

 RAL> The "Messianic Jews" are a more subtle group taking on
 RAL> a more outwardly Jewish appearance to hide their acceptance
 RAL> of the tenets of Christianity.  At the core, they're not
 RAL> much different from Jews for Jesus.

We DON'T hide anything.  We are Jewish; and state plainly that Y'shua
is the Messiah, period!  Perhaps the "Jewish appearance" is that we
were born that way :-)  You think that once a Jew believes that Y'shua
is the Messiah; they suddenly maybe start wearing hooded-robes, shave
their head and pray with beads before statues or something?!  Give me a
break!

 RAL> For example, the founder of the "Union of Messianic Jewish
 RAL> Congregations" and pastor of a Rockville, Maryland "Messianic
 RAL> Jewish [sic]" congregation is an ordained Presbyterian minister
 RAL> and was born of a Jewish father and a gentile mother.

I assume that you are talking about Daniel Juster?  I'm not aware
of the fact that he is the "founder" of the UMJC.  He was a General
Secretary for a time.  Of course; the Reform would disagree on the
Jewish father issue.  But Larry Levey esq?  Ha!  I didn't think anyone
had the nerve to quote that nudnik anymore.  Details?  Ask Harvey if
he has anything on disk anymore, {if he even wants to be bothered by
it}; I won't waste my time.

 RAL> Other movement leaders have ties to the Assemblies of God church,
 RAL> and even the Jews for Jesus movement.

Those who go by the title "Messianic Jews" come in all forms.  All the
way from what you'd consider very "Reform", to very "Frum".

But all these are just side trips.  The point is: either Y'shua is the
Messiah; or He isn't.  We believe He is.  So, let me ask you: if He is;
what would truly be your response, - that is if you did believe that He
was Messiah ben-Yosef?  What would HaShem have to do in your life to
prove that to you.  Just curious.                   ... Am Israel Chai!      
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