HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: VCII shutoff schedule announced
Summary: Does *not* include VCII+
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:49:18 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

In article <HOMESAT%92081315104051@VM1.NODAK.EDU> ACHS@ECUVM1.BITNET (Howard F. Speight Jr.) writes:
>If I may ask a silly question? Does that include VCII+ ?  If yes, how
>do I get an upgrade? Thanks...
>BTW, I do have a legal VCII+ module with paid for programming...
>
>Howard F. Speight Jr.  Mainframe Consultant, PROFS/Usercode Administrator

Let me be the first to say, NO!.  VCII+ will work just fine after the 
VCII shutoff.  It is identical at this time to VCIIRS.  VCII+ owners 
with legal programming need do NOTHING at this time.  When and if 
the VCII+ scrambling scheme is compromised and programmers move to 
a still different scrambling scheme, VCII+ modules will have to be 
replaced.  VCIIRS modules, on the other hand, will simply be modified
through downloading.  That, at least, is the theory.
--
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From: hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re:      Re: MTS feeds on HBO etc?
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:47:36 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <9208111632.AA12300@aurw6b.aur.alcatel.com>,         Mike Gingell <aurs01!aurw6b!gingell@CONCERT.NET> writes...
>Well HBO sound is transmitted digitally by Videocipher II. If you are
>subscribed and if they are sending sound in Spanish you should be able
>to select it from the VCII submenu which allows you to select a secondary
>sound channel.

VC only offers two sound channels, so you get either stereo or
primary/secondary soundtrack. The mode is controlled by the programmer; if they
use prim/sec you get to select which to hear.

Given that HBO is in stereo (I assume), there may be an audio subcarrier
somewhere with the spanish soundtrack. It need not be on the same transponder,
btw.

gary
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: david.hoisve@uuserv.cc.utah.edu
Subject: Republican Convention feeds
Organization: The University of Utah
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:32:49 GMT

[Sorry about the last post.  Newsreader problems...]

Didn't see anything on the net today about the convention, so here is at 
least a little information...

The main feed is on G6 12 today.  There is a slate on G6 7 indicating that 
coverage has been moved to G6 12. 

CSPAN, as usual, has great coverage on G3 24.  CSPAN II (G3 14) was (this 
morning) replaying highlights of previous conventions.

There were several feeds on S1 on Sunday.  Interviews of congressmen, 
delegates, etc, targeted at local stations.  Somewhat interesting, 
especially the stuff BEFORE the formal interview...

-- Dave.
From: david.hoisve@uuserv.cc.utah.edu
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Mac TV?
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:55:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: uuserv.david.hoisve.46.714250545
Organization: The University of Utah

Does anyone have the sat, transponder and time for Mac TV?  I think it was 
G6 22, but do not remember the time.

I have the schedule from Mac connection.  If anyone is interested, I'll post 
it to the net.

-- Dave.
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: neal@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jerry Neal)
Subject: Re: dISH sIZE.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:48:54 GMT

kpjone01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

>Greets,
> 
>What is the smallest size dish that I could use to receive decent pictures 
>on a C-band dish?  I am located in Kentucky with no trees around.  
> 
Probably the smallest size would be an eight foot dish.  Given the increase
in power of the newer satellites and decreased noise from current LNB's.

Possibly a six footer would work, but I'd play it safe and go with an eight
foot dish minimum.  There is also the issue of crosstalk from ajacent sats
now that 2 degree spacing is becoming the norm.
-- 
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From: ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: SCPC, FM2, FM3
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 92 23:26:40 PDT
Organization: Ian Justman's pitiful excuse for an AT clone

Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US> writes:

> If you would like I can send you a word for word transcript
> of the show we did about audio, it is all pretty clear though a bit rambly,
> since it was transcribed word for word from a live broadcast. Just send email
> and I will ship it right back to you.  This file is also available from
> Robert Smathers.

The file is also available from my site as ASC.ZIP.  If you want
a copy, send a request to:

mail-server@ijpc.UUCP

and send in the body of your message:

get asc.zip

and a UUENCODEd file will be sent to you.  I've read the file and
it is VERY interesting and informative.  Many thanks to Gary for
imparting this information and Robert Smathers for typing it
down.

Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: larson@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alan Larson)
Subject: Re: Bouncing Satellite Signals off METEORITES!! Possible?
Via-Meteor: wa6azp
Organization: none
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 07:17:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.035015.14871@news.columbia.edu> ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar) writes:
>
>Hello.  My first time on this newsgroup and I have a question that may
>be known to everyone except me.
>
>Today someone mentioned to me that some companies broadcast satellite
>signals by bouncing them off METEORITE (or maybe meteorite showers)
>based upon computer estimates of the number and location of meteorites
>
>Pardon me if this is too ridiculous to believe but maybe I misunderstood
>what the gentleman was talking about.

  You apparently misunderstood what he was talking about.

  If the signal is not relayed by a satellite, it is not a satellite
signal, so their meteor bounce signals would not be satellite signals.

  Meteors are too small to bounce signals off of, however, as they
enter the earth's atmosphere, they leave an ionized trail that can
reflect radio waves.  This is at a frequency well below that used for
commercial satellites.  The trail will be there from 1/2 second to
ten or fifteen seconds for lower frequencies (such as 50 megahertz).
Very few are active for over a second.

  Amateur radio operators often use this method for radio contacts
in VHF frequencies where line of sight is impossible.  Obviously,
very little information is transmitted, and it is done quite quickly.
These contacts are popular around August due to some meteor showers
that occur around this time of the year.

  I have done this several times.

  There are also commercial systems that transmit limited telemetry
using meteor trail reflections.  Some of these are for remote weather
observations, such as automated snow pack measurements.

  Some of these systems use a beacon transmitter on one frequency that
is heard by the remote reporting point, so when it hears the beacon,
it knows a meteor is going by and can quickly send a burst of data.

	Alan

wa6azp
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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:06:32 EDT
From:         Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US>
Subject:      Re: USENET feeds by Satellite
X-To:         HOMESAT@VM1.NoDak.EDU

>All,

>  Thought all would get a kick out of this message found on the FIDONET.

>--Jim


>Internet: James.Vanhouten@f544.n109.z1.fidonet.org

>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> * Forwarded from "TVRO"

>05 Aug 92 21:56, Lawrence Chen wrote to All:


>Gary no doubt will be using this format and will be sending
>various text files...no doubt some will be from rec.video.satellite,
>shich is a forum very like this echo, except people put elaborate tags
>at the ends of their messages that explain how much education they have
>and how high up they are in a company.


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.

That is a scream!


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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:04:26 EDT
From:         Flash Hoser <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US>
Subject:      Re: some more observations
X-To:         HOMESAT@VM1.NoDak.EDU

>Could someone explain this dual transponder thing to me?  The guy on SMU
>mentioned something about it the other day but I didn't understand.  Are
>two transponders sharing common electronics or something?  Thanks.

What actually is happening is that there is only ONE transponder.  Instead of
being 36 mhz wide (the standard width for a transponder) the dual half
transponders are 72 mhz wide.  Think of a 36 mhz transponder as a one lane
highway and a 72 mhz transponder as a two lane highway.  Two full signals can
fit on the double wide transponder.  Yes it is the same electronics just
twice as wide.

In all cases of dual transponders, they are on ajacent-same-polarity
channels.  Example:  22 and 24 as in the case of SMU and LVTN.

Noily Paul used to own the channel 6 - 8 transponder which he transfered to
VCC, who only use the channel 8 half of it.  also on S3, you probably notice
the NEBRASKA ETV network shares channels 2 and 4 which are also one
transponder.

When both halves of the transponder are being used for signal, the available
power is split between the two, which is why they are always weaker when two
signals are present, as opposed to the full power going to ONE channel when
only ONE is being used.

--
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From: adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP (Adam Mottershead)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: VideoCipher II Extra Functions.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 16:56:39 EDT
News-Software: FSUUCP 1.2 R4
X-Mailer: DigiQR 5.38b
Reply-To: adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP (Adam Mottershead)
Distribution: world
Organization: The All Ter Nah Tive Un Der Groend

I am wondering about thoses TEXT and MESSAGE buttons on the VideoCipher II,
and I imagine they are on the II + also.

When I got out of sky-scanning due to a move a few years back, the VideoCipher
was just coming on to the scene and they were saying how great it will be
and so forth.  They (M/A-Com) talked about receiving personalized messages
and the sort.

Has anybody ever used the MESSAGE or TEXT keys?  Do they actually send stuff
to individual boxes?


--
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From: jvz@pt.com (John Zambito)
Subject: Ku upgrade
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:10:28 GMT

I'm ready to upgrade.
Anybody out there upgraded to Ku recently and want to offer
any advice or pricing information? 
What's Jim Bass' number? Does he have a good deal?
I'm about an hour drive away from Syracuse where Jim is.

-- 
__
John Zambito, Performance Technologies Incorporated	jvz@pt.com
315 Science Parkway, Rochester, New York 14620    uupsi!ptsys1!jvz
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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:47:53 BST
From:         iinqp@VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      UK tries to ban porn.
X-To:         homesat@vm1.nodak.edu

Hi,
   According to the Superchannel teletext satellite page the UK government
is going to try and ban the channels that transmit 'pornographic'
movies. I still can't believe that HM government would try anything so
futile. The three channels mentioned were Canal+, Filmnet and Red Hot
Dutch. Out of three the only one that they could prosecute is Red Hot
Dutch and only then because RHD have a marketing agency Continental
'something', who have an office in Manchester. As all three channels are
uplinked from the continent I fail to see what else they can do. Instead
the news item hinted that they would attempt to make it a criminal
offence to possess a Filmnet/Canal+ decoder card. I think the police
have enough to do without raiding houses looking for illicit smart
cards; the law would be unenforcible.
    Given the future plans of two of the three channels the
criminalisation attempt seems somewhat futile. RHD, whose films I have
not watched, intend to change the decoder required in the next 3 months
to thwart the pirate decoder manufacturers. If they change to D2MAC it
will be virtually impossible to watch without an expensive decoder even
without encrypting the transmission. Filmnet intend to terminate
PAL/SATBOX transmissions on ASTRA this month leaving only their D2MAC
transmission on that satellite and I don't know how long their Eutelsat
transmission will continue for. Also Canal+ (France) is not easy to
receive (you either need a LNB that will receive in the Telecom band
plus SECAM to PAL transponder or a D2MAC receiver, plus smart cards). It
hardly seems worthwhile.
     Having seen a couple of the films that they are trying to ban, I
begrudge MY goverment spending vast amounts (and it is
going to need vast amounts to enforce the new law) of MY money trying to
stop 'free' citizens of the European community watching  films
showing two consenting adults having sex. I would rather that they spent
the money eliminating the obscenities that are occurring in Yugoslavia,
Iraq and Somalia. If the film channels were showing paedophilia or films
containing bestiality they would have my wholehearted support.
   If it was not so sad to see the UK goverment making a fool of itself
again I would laugh. This action is hardly likely to endear them to
the rest of the European Community. The silliest part is that the
minister responsible, or likely to carry the can, was caught having an
extra-marital affair recently. The press are going to have a field day.
Poor John Major, and I still think he is a great prime minister. What a
legacy Queen Victoria left us; the arch prudes of Europe, when there are
more pressing world affairs to sort, all we can do is try and stop a few
people watching a few films showing two (or more people) indulging in the
world's favourite indoor pastime.
    Does America expend so much futile energy ? I doubt it.
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: oester@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Bob Oesterlin)
Subject: Re: Galaxy 1R launch update
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:39:34 GMT
Reply-To: oester@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester Mn

Any status? Did the launch on 8/19 go as planned? Where will it be located?

-- 
Bob Oesterlin  IBM Application Business Systems, Dept 53Z, Rochester MN 55901
IBM IPNET: oester@rchland.ibm.com                Internet:oester@vnet.ibm.com
Phone: (507)-253-4528 (tie) 553-4528

You are in a maze of twisty little #ifdef's, all alike.
From: ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Total novice questions: Need FAQ
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 01:38:59 PDT
Organization: Ian Justman's pitiful excuse for an AT clone

flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US (Gary Bourgois) writes:

> >1.  Is there a FAQ for this list?
> 
> Yes.  It is posted the beginning of EVERY month.  It is available from a
> number of sources also.  Send mail to
> 
> satfiles@ijpc.UUCP.

satfiles gets a list of available files.  Instructions on
acquiring files are enclosed with the list.
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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:18:19 -0400
From:         Mike Gingell <aurs01!aurw6b!gingell@CONCERT.NET>
Subject:      VCII shutoff schedule announced

According to last nights Satellite Orbit Radio Hour the schedule for
shutoff of the VCII data stream was announced last week at a Satellite
trade show in Baltimore MD. It is:

HBO/Cinemax  shutoff starts Sept 20, complete Oct 20th.
Showtime/TMC    same time frame.
Netlink 5, Disney, Turner (CNN TNT etc) 30-60 days after above.

Mike Gingell, Alcatel, Raleigh, NC USA  (919) 850-6444
UUCP:       ...!mcnc!aurgate!aurfs1!gingell
Internet:   gingell%aurfs1%aurgate@mcnc.org
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
Subject: Bouncing Satellite Signals off METEORITES!! Possible?
Reply-To: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:50:15 GMT


Hello.  My first time on this newsgroup and I have a question that may
be known to everyone except me.

Today someone mentioned to me that some companies broadcast satellite
signals by bouncing them off METEORITE (or maybe meteorite showers)
based upon computer estimates of the number and location of meteorites

Pardon me if this is too ridiculous to believe but maybe I misunderstood
what the gentleman was talking about.

Regards


Imran
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: erik@vcd.hp.com (Erik Kilk)
Subject: Re: Janeil SP2000 Available from SAH
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:09:45 GMT


What is this $39.95 stereo processor thing?  Am I wrong in thinking it is
some sort of gizmo that gets connected between my IF OUT and IF IN?
What does it give me?  I seem to get dozens of radio stations with my
receiver already. Are there more?  

Sorry about the stupid questions, but you always hear there aren't any
stupid questions, so, anyways, thanks in advance for an explaination.

Erik Kilk

erik@vcd.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: Audio subcarriers for Star Trek
Organization: DSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:07:13 GMT

I know this has been discussed before,  but only now does it have meaning
for me....

What are the audio subcarrier frequencies for the Star Trek: The Next
Generation uplink sent on T301/09?

I think I remember seeing this:

       6.8 - Left
       6.2 - Right
       5.8 - Mono

Is this correct? Please confirm or correct. Thanks!

Larry
lesnyd@monsanto.com
From: cantrell@seqp4.sequoia.com (Paul Cantrell)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: NBC Olympics Triplecast loses $100M
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:37:52 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Computer Systems

In article <9208112321.AA16205@spruce.erg.sri.com>, vlad@ERG.SRI.COM writes:
> If all three networks lose so
> much money that they will go bancrupt, the rights to covering the Olympics
> will go to smaller, more competent outfits, who may decide NOT to lose
> money and who will make Olympics watching fun and thus attract fans and
> their money. Until then - let NBC, ABC and CBS shit money until they have
> none left to support their incompetence. :-) With cable networks around,
> the demise of the ignorant Big Three networks is not far off.
> 

Well, I'm not at all sure the result of all the big networks losing money
will be what you want, but I like the idea of a smaller network trying
their hand at it. Just think if the CSPAN people had been in charge of
covering the olympics!

					PC










-- 
cantrell@sequoia.com
From: phil@phunt.MV.COM (Phil Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: GI 2750 roms-Any new ones available?
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:14:26 GMT
Reply-To: phil@phunt.MV.COM
Organization: Howtek, Inc.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4

Hi,

My GI 2750r (No flames about GI please) has ROMs in it so it 'knows' where
most channels are.  Then you modify them as they change.  Well, my ROMs are
from 6/90, so the channels are hopelessly out of date, requiring me to update
them, eating up memory against the 250 channel remember limit.

Anyone know if new roms are available so my IRD knows where more channels
are by default?

Also, how would one put them in?

Thanks!
Phil

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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes)
Subject: Re: Rush Limbaugh on Satellite anywhere?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 02:31:04 GMT


Let me ask you something.
What has Rush ever said that is hatefull?
I have never heard him say anything hatefull about anyone.
He simply says what he,and many others,feel.
He doesnt mince any words in an effort to be politically correct.
You cant make everyone happy,and history has shown humanism and
and Socialism  have failed miserably.
No hate here,just logical thought.

-- 
Aaron Barnes
aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu
Part 15 will take over broadcasting one frequency at a time!
Howard Phillips for President!
From: pjkooim@cs.vu.nl (Kooiman PJ)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: The DXers Guide to the Galaxy fia FTP
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:21:11 GMT
Distribution: rec


>> /pub/dx/satellite/dx.sat.txt

>OOPS! The file is dx-sat.txt

As I just found out the hard way, it's actually
/pub/dx/text/satellite/dx-sat.txt


Peter
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: huopio@lut.fi (Kauto Huopio)
Subject: The DXers Guide to the Galaxy fia FTP
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:05:57 GMT
Distribution: rec
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed below are writers own.
Peruutus: Mielipiteet ovat omiani.
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

..is now available at nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100), file is
/pub/dx/satellite/dx.sat.txt

--Kauto
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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:15:25 -0400
From:         Elmer Beachley <etb@CS.PITT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Janiel SP2000B
X-To:         HOMESAT@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Kent:

Does your Pansat BR1000+ have an output called baseband video?  If it
does, that's wt you want to feed your stereo processor.  Most
receivers have this as it's also what you send to standalone VCII's.

If you don't have this output, you can probably find it by poking
around inside your receiver.  The baseband video has all the frequencies
from 0-~10M.  The frequencies above 4.5Mhz are filtered out and this
is what goes to your monitor (or the rf modulator).

To my knowledge, veejay (i think) has never made the schemagenerally
availab

Elmer Beachley etb@cs.pitt.edu
From: alans@hpcvnb.CV.HP.COM (alan_stutz)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Need Help
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:15:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvnb.60950003
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, Oregon

I am thinking about upgrading my system to an IRD and selling my
VC 2100 stand alone descrambler. My question is what would be a good
price to sell it for without the II+ module?  Your help would be
greatly appreciated.
From: alans@hpcvnb.CV.HP.COM (alan_stutz)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:27:19 PDT
Subject: Re: Refurbished Chapparal Cheyennes
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, Oregon
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite

I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MORE INFO ABOUT THE CHAPPARAL CHEYENNE IF YOU
COULD E-MAIL ME THE DATA, SPECS, ETC.

Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite