HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,soc.history
Subject: Re: History for Valley gals
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:38:58 GMT
Organization: nicht

In article <1992Aug14.153837.6946@javelin.sim.es.com> biesel@javelin.sim.es.com (Heiner Biesel) writes:
>
>Good idea. I suggest replacing every occurrence of the letter 'e' with
>a 'y', as this renders the text much more elegant, and provides more
>equal treatment for the otherwise marginalized letter 'y'. Obvious
>extensions to other letters are to be left as an exercise to the student.

Also consider replacing every s with f.
>
>Fine merchandising ploys, all; however, I believe that the marketing
>of historical chewing gum may present formidable obstacles, as the
>specimens of such gum that I have examined invariably take on the
>consistency of poorly formulated concrete. Even recent historical gum,
>obtained from the bottom surfaces of desks at the local junior high
>school, and no more than five years old, was considered barely palatable
>by our consumer advisory panel. 

Ah, that's is no doubt because you were attempting to re-use it.
What you really should be thinking about, in this case, is
recycling it into paving materials, whose consistency it already resembles.



-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
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From: cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy)
Subject: Re: Processing
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 12:32:17 GMT
Organization: A Suffusion of Yellow

In article <l8j38aINN8up@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>, danoc@earlybird.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan O'Connell [CONTRACTOR]) writes:
|> S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk writes:
|> 
|> >	   If a train station is a place where trains stop,
|> >	       then what does that make a workstation?
|> 
|> And
|> 	   If a food processor is something that chops up food,
|> 	       then what does that make a word processor?
|> 

If tinwhistles are made of tin,
   what are foghorns made of?

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From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Some Canonical Lists
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:08:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Aug17.180820.9962
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <-08mcvh@lynx.unm.edu> rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires) writes:
>
>Mr. Morris writes [kind of a paraphrase, I deleted too much]
>
>>
>>I'd be much more interested in such a [Afro-American] list from Mr. Heath
>>once he has read, say, 1000 such works over many years, . . .
>>
>
>        Oh, but I'm not asking for a list solely based on Mr. Heath's
>        limited experience.  There probably already exist such
>        experienced scholars with their associated lists which Mr.
>        Heath or whoever may know of via secondary works.  I see no
>	reason why I should have to wait ten years for Mr. Heath to
>	finish reading these hypothetical 1000 books just to get a
>	silly list out of him.

Oh. Well, employing a few reference books I have around, I can
probably come up with a decent list.  I'll see what I can do.

>	"Canon," I think it is fair to ask these same people to present
>	their alternative.  How about it, Mr. Heath?

Roger, Roger. I'll see what I can do.

Although I have to wonder if it would be just as easy for anyone else
to come up with such a list.  I mean, we all have access to books,
right?  I'd be interested to hear what other people *think* might be
on such a list. But I'm more than happy to compile one. If nothing
else I can use it as a reference or as my own reading list.


-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
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From: daynem@byron.u.washington.edu (Dayne Miller)
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:30:44 GMT

Listen, no one's ever going to change anyone else's mind on this God thing.
Yeah, (s)he might exist, and maybe the evolutionary theory isn't worth the
rock in which it's preserved. Or maybe there never was, and never will be,
any God except that which exists or doesn't exist in each individual's own
universe of the mind. However, whether there is a God or not, and whether
or not an omnipotent deity would give a rat's ass about whether or not
some rather self-involved lifeforms believe in Him/Her/It anyway, I firmly
believe one thing to be true, as summed up nicely by Larry Niven and Jerry
Pournelle in their modern adaption of Dante's INFERNO:

   "The ability to create a universe does not necessarily imply 
    moral superiority."

   And, yes, I fully expect to have hateful postings and e-mail following
this, but I for one (and I wish more of you would follow this guideline)
feel I've had my ONE-TIME say and will not post anything more to this 
newsgroup on this subject. I'm not so asanine to actually believe that any-
one out there really wants to have my opinion posted day after day after day,
ad infinitum ad nauseum.

  Thanks for everone's time...

     Dayne Miller
       daynem@u.washington.edu
 
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From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Books on MJ Cultivation?
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 11:52:03 GMT

In article <1b86a28f.ARN2395@prolix.pub.uu.oz.au>, dac@prolix.pub.uu.oz.au (Andrew Clayton) writes:
|> In article <Bt6Byn.IM0@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, Adam Bentley writes:
|> 
|> > Can anyone give me some details of good books on MJ cultivation which are
|> 
|> If it's anything like OJ cultivation, first you need a grove of
|> trees ... Mandarin? Mango? 
 
 I think he's actually referring to maple juice, more commonly known in the
States as maple syrup. The problem with starting maple syrup cultivation from
scratch (aside from the obvious probelm of making sure your climate is 
favorable) is that you have to be _very_ patient. Maples don't yield an 
appreciable amount of sap until they're at least twenty or thirty years old.
You're probably better off just going to Vermont and buying a few gallons 
to take home.
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From: orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke)
Subject: Bertrand Russell and the Mad Hatter
Organization: Smith College, Northampton, MA, US
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:13:52 GMT

There is some resemblance between the the Mad Hatter as depicted
in the original drawings (by Tenniel?) from Alice's Adventures
in Wonderland, and Bertrand Russell.  But the timing seems
wrong, since Dodgson died before Russell became famous.
Does anyone know if there is a connection nevertheless?
From: djh@siesoft.co.uk (Duncan Head)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Book recommendation wanted.
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:34:03 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
: calvo@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sherri Calvo) wrote:
: > Are the "facing page" translations academic editions? I have a couple of
: > books like that in Hebrew/English, but haven't run across any in other
: > languages yet.
: 
: There are some editions of ancient Greek writers (Loeb?) that have a Latin
: translation in parallel.... 

No, the Loeb Classical Library volumes have the Latin or Greek original
in parallel with an English translation.  There's also the Bude' series,
with Greek or Latin in parallel with a French translation.  And I've 
seen a parallel-text editiion of the Byzantine emperor Maurice's
"Strategikon", original greek and Romanian translation...

Duncan Head
djh@siesoft.co.uk
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: _Time's Arrow_, by Martin Amis
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:43:13 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

You did read it starting at the back and working forward, didn't you?

Paul

I wonder what Kingsley Amis thinks of his son's work? I somehow don't
imagine him liking the style very much, I don't imagine him saying so,
either. Did anyone ever hear of either of them comenting on the other's
style?


In article <1992Aug10.160550.14378@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> emzx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>I'm about 60 pages into Martin Amis's "Time's Arrow."  I've previously read
>"Success," which I thought was actually a decent book, and "London Fields,"
>which was one of the worst books I've ever read.
>
>Now TA falls into the latter category - it's a great idea, but his writing
>style is just heinous, his plot is nonexistent, and when it really comes down
>to it, Amis is just annoying as hell.  I thought maybe TA was going to be a
>better book - and I'm tempted to finish it(only 168 pages or so)...but I don't
>think I'm going to.  Unless someone tells me that the next 100 pages is going
>to be really, really better.
>
>All in all, I think TA would have been a good short story, but not a good
>novel.
>
>-- 
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>"Start strong, end strong, and look for opportunities in the middle."
>                              -S. O'Nan
>
>Sung J. Woo, Secretary of The International Gridlocker Society
>
>emzx@CORNELLA.cit.cornell.edu
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Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:14505 talk.politics.misc:39195
From: zeleny@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Dismiss the Liberal! (was re: The nature of enlightenment)
Summary: Clayton Cramer exposed as a useless liberal
Keywords: shame
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:23:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug12.192312.14674
Organization: The Phallogocentric CAbal

In article <11689@optilink.UUCP> 
cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>In article <9208082247.AA29883@cfdev1.shearson.com>, 
>mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:

>> The following opinions are typical of those that Clayton Cramer has
>> espoused here on r.a.b. 

>> [...]

MT:
>>         That anyone who disagrees with him should be labelled a
>>         liberal, and dismissed.
>> 
>> Mark

CC:
>No, anyone who reflexively looks for a solution to a problem
>by bringing in more government control over people's lives,
>is a liberal, and should be dismissed.

Elsewhere (on rec.guns), in article <11701@optilink.UUCP> 
cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer) writes:

CC:
>[...] the government should fix the fundamental problem of savages
>on the loose, rather than forcing decent people to engage in the
>risky business of gunfighting [...]

To apply his own criteria, in his own words, Mr Cramer "reflexively looks
for a solution to" "the fundamental problem of savages on the loose" "by
bringing in more government control over people's lives"; therefore by his
own lights Mr Cramer "is a liberal, and should be dismissed".

I fully expect Mr Cramer to do the honorable thing and dismiss himself.
Should he require assistance in doing so, I'll be glad to perform the
office of a ceremonial decapitator for his seppuku ritual.

>-- 
>Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
>"People are not responsible in their actions."  "Do you honestly think that
>people think before they fuck?"  -- Jeff Dauber inadvertantly explains why
>AIDS is wiping out the homosexual and IV drug abuser communities

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."
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From: bhanafee@deimos.ads.com (Brian Hanafee)
Subject: Re: Taranto-Zeleny on Clayton Cramer
Cc: jmc@sail.stanford.edu
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mountain View, CA 94043, +1 (415)
	960-7300
	<BHANAFEE.92Aug12130223@deimos.ads.com>
	<JMC.92Aug13011422@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:37:44 GMT


In article <JMC.92Aug13011422@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:
>Sorry but I didn't even read the whole piece, don't remember the
>names of anyone involved and don't know whether an institution
>was mentioned.  Also I plead the Fifth.

I apologize for having suspected you of devious purpose in your
example.  The person I suspected was Summer Sanders.


-- Brian
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From: yarvin@highlite.uucp (Curtis Yarvin)
Subject: Re: Asimov and the decay of SF
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:55:12 GMT

In article <qf4m#_n.tmaddox@netcom.com> tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.203439.24639@CS.ORST.EDU> Keith Irwin <irwinke@CS.ORST.EDU> writes:
>>At any rate, I will admit for now that it is a matter of taste: I prefer
>>novels of character over novels of anything else, because I seem to get 
>>more out of them, on every level, including entertainment.  
>
>	My only question is, why the hell are you reading sf?  It is not a 
>literature of character nor does it intend to be--

I have seen many sins ascribed to 'sci-fi,' but never yet caught anyone
accusing it of purpose or intent.  Nonetheless I am vaguely charmed by
the idea.  Maybe sf doesn't have a will of its own, but isn't it time
to give it one?  Perhaps Mr. Maddox, the esteemed novelist, would
volunteer his own.  A harsh sacrifice but a noble one.

In the absence of policy autocratic or democratic, though, sf
is still whatever the hell it wants to be.  And it is hardly
devoid of 'literature of character.'  Try some Richard Grant.

c
From: msmorris@watsci.waterloo.edu (Mike Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Some Canonical Lists
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:20:10 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario


                                     Monday, the 17th of August, 1992

Mark Taranto writes:
          1.  Mike is only 30% better read than I am -- and we are neck
              and neck in terms of the moderns!

Hey, that's 30.046%.
  
          2.  He could beat me by another 30% if he spent less time typing
              and more time reading.

It's a tough job, but...
  
          3.  I'm surprised that he exposed his weaknesses like this :-)

I'm surprised you checked. :-)
  
                                               And Mike, leave some poetry
              books in the bathroom.  A.E. Housman or Yeats will do.

You know, our bathrooms are about the only rooms in the house without
books in them. Right now, the upstairs bath gets so much water splashed
around it with Xan bathing that I'll continue to keep books out of there.
Though you've got me wondering if a small shelf in the downstairs
bathroom might relieve the stacks forming again on top of my dresser?

Read _A Shropshire Lad_ just a few months ago, and I've been slowly
reading through Yeats's poems this year. Agreed, I hang my head
in shame most about the poetry. And Twain.
  
         4.  What idiot at UWM added Kuhn's STRUCTURE OF SCIENTIFIC REVOLUTIONS
             to the list?  It wouldn't be so bad if it were balanced with
             some of the better books on the Philosophy of Science, but
             it is the only one.  Yuck!!!!!

Well, I, er, he probably just heard it's a good book from somebody.

               Mike Morris
        (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)
  
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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Wordstruck
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:51:22 GMT

Mike Morris writes:

	Here I figured Francis was going to argue with me the 
	degeneration and descent of all man- and womankind from 
	an uraufklarungen Aufklarung, a triple-E Golden Age of 
	equal, elect, and effective Englishness.  Anything at 
	least to divert us away from this purgatory of Agnosticism
	and God, Clinton and Bush. Ma sfortunatamente, no. Non 
	sara.

Alas, it is not an arguable thing, but just a simple truth. However,
Mike, for your pleasure I have a new solution to an old riddle. Wherefor
was the Name of the Rose? A part solution is offered by Eco himself
in the Post Ille to the Name of the Rose. He produces Juana de Asbahe y
Rodrigues for our delight and reminds us of Sam Beckett's translations
of her poems into English which is to say the Sam Beckett who had not
yet forgotten that English truly was his native tongue. But Eco is a
sly boots at heart, and a little diligent detective work uncovers an
early poem by Hopkins, *Rosa Mystica*, which I find a much more likely
source. It begins:

	The rose is a mystery--where is it found?

and then by the fourth stanza:

	Tell me the name now, tell me its name.
	The heart guesses easily; is it the same?
	Mary the Virgin, well the heart knows,
	She is the mystery, she is the rose.
	In the gardens of God, In the daylight divine,
	I shall come home to thee, mother of mine.

and by the seventh verse:

	How many leaves had it? Five they were then,
	Five like the senses and members of men;
	Five is their number by nature, but now
	They multiply, multiply who can tell how?
	In the gardens of God, In the daylight divine,
	Make me a leaf in thee, mother of mine.

and the eighth and final verse begins:

	Does it smell sweet too in that holy place?

and ends:

	To thy breast, to thy rest, to thy glory divine
	Draw me by charity, mother of mine.

						Frang na Mara
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From: csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.humor,alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:12:54 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

In article <1992Aug12.183918.24734@orlith.bates.edu> nmiseroc@orlith.bates.edu (Nathan Miserocchi) writes:
>
>OK I'VE F**CKING HAD IT!!!!!!!  flame gun set to                                long range dip shit posting on this damn topic
>for the last week and a half melt down-overload-
>blow-you-through-the-roof-at-the-same-time-your-
>arse-is-melting-to-the-center-of-the-FingEARTH!
>CAN YOU PLEASE REDIRECT THIS JUNK TO A NEWS GROUP
>THAT CARES.  YOU CAN PUT ISAAC THERE TOO!!!!!!!!
>IF YOUR GOING TO DO A FOLLOW UP
>TAKE OUT REC.HUMOR IN THE NEWSGROUP LINE!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>thank you boring, snivelling, posting-to-the-wrong-
>place-morons.(yes this is going to ALL the newsgroups
>where this unfortunate article came from)
>Go AHEAD FLAME me, it would be more interesting than
>this.
>
>ps: there is no god, you are you own god, your own universe,
>humans are uncapable of understanding each other enough
>to possibly have 1,10,50 gods and if everyone DID, then
>they would only be conforming to the opinions and thoughts
>of others which, in turn, can only be a misunderstanding
>of verying degrees! (there, got my 5 cents in too! Don't flame
>me about this part, you MADE me do it,  2 weeks is all I can handle
>of this.
>
>TIME TO GET A KILL FILE (yes, I wouldn't have to read my
>article either if I had one!)

What an appropriate surname you have, friend. Get a life...

The Wisp.
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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Life's too short. Was: 1930s Science Fiction
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:00:21 GMT
Organization: The Fighting Thundercats

Tom Maddox writes:
 
        [an exchange of pleasantries on the subject of science fiction
               deleted ]
>
>	So now you are saying that you have read a *few* sf books, on the urging
>of a single friend, and have concluded that _Frankenstein_ is the single sf 
>book.  Somehow, this strikes me as intellectually even more bogus than the
>first remark (which had the virtue of being unmistakably inane) as 
>it adds a level of critical pretension that is utterly unjustified.
>
>	Substitute "films" for "sci-fi books" and see how sound your position 
>is.

As someone who backed out of English graduate school, hat in hand, because
of my only too apparent deficiencies, I don't _mean_ to be pretentious. Sorry
if it comes out that way: I'm only adding to the bravado (as CW would say).

My interest in science fiction is minimal because as a genre its target --
the relation of man to science -- seems to me to be too narrow for fiction
and to have been summed up neatly by _Frankenstein_: its province is the
consequences of knowing for the sake of knowing. Has science changed
since Bacon? The content has advanced but its human aspect (that there 
are consequenceless facts) doesn't change quite so readily.

My own taste in genre fiction runs to detective stories and spy stories:
my Catholic upbringing has left me with a taste for ritual. I have
little interest in either philosophy or technology. 

As a textual note to this inspired exchange, I should have typed
"friends'" for "friend's" when I indicated who recommended what. Opinions
on books come from all over. 

-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> Write when you get the chance. 
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From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:56:24 GMT

In article <Bt4t0A.M3J@revcan.rct.ca> robert@revcan.rct.ca (Robert Presland) writes:
>Hm... Humans don't create life.  I';m not so sure about that.  In a court of
>law, nothing exists until it is proved to exist, I think this is a valid
>train of thought, so I don't proceed to debate the existance of god, but for
>me, since I have seen no concrete evidence that god does exist, I must believe
>that god does not exist, and in that position then, since humans proceed to
>reproduce, the result of that act must have come from the act itself, hence
>humans create life.  But not only humans do this, all living creatures on earth
>reproduce, so it would almost be appropriate to suggest that every living thing
>can produce anoither living thing in it's image.
     ~~~~~~~
If one takes the word "create" to mean producing something out of nothing,
then human reproduction clearly does not fit in this category.  Admittedly
that is a narrow usage of create, but I think it fits the meaning attributed
to God when we say that he created the Universe.
>
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