HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fenner@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (William C Fenner)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Please include For your newsgroups file: line
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:48:21 GMT
Organization: NRL Connection Machine Facility, Washington, DC

In article <JAAPJL.92Aug13154653@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap) writes:
>I know there's no requirement in alt, but please include a Spaf-style
>For your newsgroups file: line when you issue a newgroup control message.
>(This is an example of what can happen when it's left out.)

I thought that was a "Lawrence-style ... line", but anyway.

For those of you who don't know what this is, some news packages have the
ability to automatically update the newsgroups file (or equivalent) from
the newgroup message.  (I wrote code for ANU News to do this; it's in ANU 6.1
beta 1).

The format is a line containing exactly "For your newsgroups file:", then
a line with the newsgroup name, then whitespace, then the newsgroup
description.  For example:

For your newsgroups file:
alt.config		A place to discuss what to put in your control messages

  Bill
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Bill Fenner                  fenner@cmf.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: alberti@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (Albatross)
Subject: Re: How does Alt.Bloom-County sound?
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:06:50 GMT

In <94265@bu.edu> navsaria@bass.bu.edu (Dipesh Navsaria) writes:

>How would people feel about an alt.bloom-county group?  It would be devoted to
>the adoration and discussion of the late Bloom County Strip and related works.
>I don't _think_ there's anything out there which would be appropriate for
>this kind of discussion, although if anyone has any suggestions/corrections,
>please tell me!

It sounds obsolete.  Why not alt.outland or alt.breathed for that matter?
Other wise, there's rec.arts.comics...
--
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Newsgroups: alt.config,talk.bizarre,alt.elvis.sighting
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: rmgroup alt.elvis.sighting
Followup-To: talk.bizarre,alt.elvis.sighting
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:32:16 GMT

In article <!44m=pl.rdc@netcom.com> rdc@netcom.com
(Roger David Carasso) writes:
>Roger David Carasso,
>Net Personality
>Roger David Carasso
>Celebrity         

Who are you?  Never heard of you.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya

	And General Francisco Franco is still dead.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: edd586ysft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - YESSS!!!
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:59:35 GMT


 Techno pop            (call this alt.try.hard.techno)
 Industrial Techno     (call this alt.clank.techno)
 Synth pop             (call this alt.?)
 Belgian Techno        (call this alt.we.steal.detroit.sounds)
 Detroit Techno        (call this alt.+8)
 New wave              (call this alt.german.crap)
 Techno rave           (call this alt.piano.track.not.techno)
 Hardcore Techno       (call this alt.bloody.mental.brainbending.mindwarping.
                                       tracks.from.hell.!)
>  
> Now you see, Synth pop, New wave, and Industrial techno might not
> belong on the list for one reason or another--but that's .... OK.
>  
> I say let's start an alt.music.techno group and go from there.
>  
> --Eric


I fully support this idea! Currently the only techno news around is on 
alt.rave.  To be quite frank, most of the alt.ravers are just wanna bes
who have no real idea about the music and are just too interested in what
the last E did to them, rather than going out and buying some decent music.

Let most of these guys decay in their own chemical soup, and let the people
who really love the music get on and talk about their music.

The above newgroup categories however, may be pushing it for a while.
just an alt.techno will do until you get more people posting.  Really, it
should be called alt.hardcore.techno.  That will keep all the pretend techno
postings out.  I really do not call stuff like 2 unlimited techno.  That is
commercial, try hard bull!  If anyone calls that techno they should hang their
head in shame.  That is the sort of stuff that is b-ing posted in alt.rave.


WE WANT TEKKNO REAL TECHNO!

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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rave
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - no
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:12:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.203206.15752@bnr.ca>
davisonj@bnr.ca (John Davison) writes:
 
>In article <16844A8C5.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>>A big BTW: please remove alt.rave from the newsgroups line in subsequent
>>discussions.
>
>        (Can't Mr./Mrs./Ms. "EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu" do it himself?)
 
(You left out Miss and I sign my posts. Ever meet a female named Eric?)
 
If I removed alt.rave, how would the persons reading previous discussion in
alt.rave know not to continue in that newsgroup? It is after much personal
consideration that I decided to keep  the alt.rave group in this reply.
 
>Now down to the relevant stuff:
 
>        I feel that the establishment of alt.music.techno would not constitute
>a substantial improvement to the USENET at this time, as it would neither cover
>new ground nor appreciably relieve current newsgroups of "information overload"
As a techno fan, the concept of "information overload" appeals to me greatly!
:)
 
>or excessive topical diversity.  It would, on the other hand, unnecessarily
>increase USENET bandwidth, due to an increased number of cross-postings to
>newsgroups such as alt.cyberpunk, alt.rave, and rec.music.industrial.
 
Personally, I only (rarely) read r.m.i and wouldn't want to x-post to
those groups. (Typical Detroit techno seperatist that I am ;-)! )
 
>        Renaming "alt.rave" to "rec.music.rave" or "rec.music.techno" may be
>advisable since "alt" newsgroups have historically had less public access than
>the "rec" groups (or so I am led to believe), but splitting this already
>specialized newsgroup into even more specialized subgroups is justified neither
>by the traffic flow (which is relatively small) or the diversity of the subject
>matter (which is not excessive at this time).
 
There's a good reason that there's not alot of techno posting (relative to
industrial, for instance) and that is that there is no techno group proper.
Some of the yes responses indicate a dislike for the rave group.
(I trust you have read them in alt.config :)!)
Nearly all the negative responses cite the myopic view that rave is techno
or in your case that techno is a subgroup of rave (ouch!).
 
I do seem merit in the idea of changing alt.rave to rec.music.techno,
but I suspect that that would face more dissention than simply starting
an alt.music.techno group, and it certainly would take more work on the
part of yours truly to go through the motions of creating a rec group.
 
--Eric
Xref: sparky alt.config:5182 alt.rave:2365
From: steve@cse.fau.edu (Steve Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rave
Subject: Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - no
Keywords: techno industrial
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:26:55 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

In article <1992Aug15.203206.15752@bnr.ca> davisonj@bnr.ca (John Davison) writes:
>Now down to the relevant stuff:
>
>        I feel that the establishment of alt.music.techno would not constitute
>a substantial improvement to the USENET at this time, as it would neither cover
>new ground nor appreciably relieve current newsgroups of "information overload"
>or excessive topical diversity.  It would, on the other hand, unnecessarily
>increase USENET bandwidth, due to an increased number of cross-postings to
>newsgroups such as alt.cyberpunk, alt.rave, and rec.music.industrial.
>
>        Renaming "alt.rave" to "rec.music.rave" or "rec.music.techno" may be
>advisable since "alt" newsgroups have historically had less public access than
>the "rec" groups (or so I am led to believe), but splitting this already
>specialized newsgroup into even more specialized subgroups is justified neither
>by the traffic flow (which is relatively small) or the diversity of the subject
>matter (which is not excessive at this time).

Here here!  I totally agree.

PS: Sorry for quoting almost the whole thing but John was so clear and
concise there was nothing to trim.
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Xref: sparky alt.config:5193 alt.dreams:2913 alt.paranormal:2130 alt.oobe:100 alt.consciousness:410
From: cherkaue@zomma.cs.wisc.edu (Kevin J. Cherkauer)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.dreams,alt.paranormal,alt.oobe,alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: pre-CFV for OBE newsgroup
Summary: Why do we need to split?
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:34:11 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Aug15.005025.23514@gnosys.svle.ma.us> gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:
>In <1992Aug14.171804.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>> ...again, here are the choices:
>>
>> A: alt.consciousness
>> B: alt.consciousness.altered-states
>> C: alt.consciousness.out-of-body
>> D: alt.dreams
>> E: alt.paranormal
>> F: alt.paranormal.out-of-body
>> G: alt.out-of-body
>
>Wait a moment.  I disagree that these are the choices.  The thing I see us to
>be voting on are what we want to call a new newsgroup whose charter will make
>it clear that its purpose is to discuss out-of-body experiences.  Thus, there
>is no reason, in my mind, to offer the choices Jude labels A, D, or E, since
>these are existing newsgroups.

I think existing newsgroups are perfectly reasonable choices. I can't see the
need to split a group that only gets 10 postings a day. It's not like you have
to wade through hundreds of messages to find the OOBE ones, and OOBE seems to
fit well enough under a "paranormal" classification. I'm voting for E.

-- 
Kevin Cherkauer
cherkaue@cs.wisc.edu

Disclaimer: The above opinions are solely the responsibility of my owners.
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: proposal for Alt.Vampyres
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 08:12:38 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us writes:

> which have always been written on the subject of vampyres,and continue to 
> [...]
> Alt.Vampyres.Immortals, or Alt.Vampyres.Blood Cultists or something if 

Do you have a broken "I" key or something?

						- k
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: ekho.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.tv.blakes7
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 00:54:40 GMT

mbm@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Malcolm Mladenovic) writes:

> In article <1992Aug21.121909.3610@cas.org> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) 
> >Has any one heard enough legitimate reasons against this group not to
> >create it?  If not, I would like to suggest that someone go ahead and
> >create it and let folks go ahead and use it.
> 
> I don't recal any strong reasons being aired against it.  If there are
> none over the week-end I would be happy to create the group on say
> Monday or Tuesday if no-one else has.   If anyone feels a poll of interest
> is needed please say so (there has certainly been some interest but I
> am not the person who originally asked for input on the group creation
> so I don't know how many lurkers responded.  I do know of other people
> here who might well be interested in participating.)
> 
> -Malcolm

I am among the group of people who asked for input on the newsgroup.  As 
of today, I have recieved over 30 positive responses, and only one of 
them gave an opinion that it may be redundant.  The reason that we wish 
to create this group is so that those of us who like Blakes 7 don't have 
to hunt around any groups that articles _may_ be posted on, invariably 
missing a few of them...  Also, it is a way that the show can be 
discussed without worry of flamers asking why, for the Nth time, we are 
discussing X episode... (we just love doing it! :-))

The concensus of my group is to attempt to create a rec. group.  An RFD 
is being drafted up even now.  If the attempt fails, we will create an 
alt. group.  We prefer the idea of a rec. group because, as many of the 
responses told me,  not everyone has access to the alt. groups.  By 
creating the rec. group, those people will be able to enjoy it as well as 
adding their own input (which is much desired! ;))

You know you are always safe with us! ;}

          Yours in Time and Space,

            Ekho (Killer Queen, Dynamite with a Laser Beam)
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: rmgroup alt.graphics
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:45:54 GMT

sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes:
>>[Jef] is doing the right thing. At this moment the charter for 
>>comp.graphics is the same as that for alt.graphics.
>
>So? There are a lot of alt groups that duplicate mainstream groups.
>Are you now going to start issuing rmgroups for alt.aquaria and
>alt.sewing just because they are duplicated by rec/sci.aquaria and
>rec.crafts.textiles?

Not analogous.  Alt.aquaria, so far as I can tell, is for people who
aren't taking sides in the endless rec-vs-sci-aquaria war.  Alt.sewing
is for a _subset_ of textile crafts.

Did you object when rmgroups were issued for groups like alt.tennis
and alt.restaurants, when they were superseded by Big Seven groups?

In any event, I used to send form letters to people piling up
"alt.graphics" posts in my junk directory.  A lot of them didn't
realize there was a comp.graphics -- they just saw the alt group and
assumed it wasn't covered in the standard hierarchies.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            news@uchinews.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel)
Subject: Re: alt.inappropriate.followup
Originator: tai50080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: tinsel@uiuc.edu
Organization: {not speaking for the} University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:04:56 GMT

tim@crash.canon.co.uk writes:

> alt.inappropriate.followup.probably
> alt.inappropriate.followup.maybe
> alt.inappropriate.followup.well.mom.says.it.is

In keeping with the general -> specific pattern of newsgroup name
(this is a followup that's inappropriate, not an example of 
inappropriateness that happens to be a followup), as well as the 
practice of using periods only for hierarchies, not spaces between
words, shouldn't this be... \:-)

alt.followup.inappropriate.probably
alt.followup.inappropriate.maybe
alt.followup.inappropriate.well-mom-says-it-is
-- 
Thomas Aaron Insel (tinsel@uiuc.edu)
  I speak for myself, and not for the State or University of Illinois.
  "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty." -- Edward R. Murrow
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rave
From: steve@cse.fau.edu (Steve Smith)
Subject: Re: REC.MUSIC TECHNO - yes (Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - no)
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:05:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.151111.18797@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>steve@cse.fau.edu (Steve Smith) writes:
>
>>If industrial rates a rec. group, I would say that techno rates one also.
>
>FERRRRRGET IT!  Way too specific.  If people are going to start ranking on me
>for posting a wailing diva or ambient review in the newly created
>rec.music.techno, then I won't even post the reviews that DO fit into the
>category.  You all are giving way to much credit to the techno idea when it
>isn't really popular in major markets anymore.  If anything should be created,
>it should be rec.music.rave.

Huh?  You must be one of those strange people who thinks techno is subtopic
of rave.  I think the two topics intersect heavily but neither one is a
subtopic of the other.  Hence the need for ttwo groups with different
topics.  If you are thinking of rave as type of music (as your proposed
group name would imply), I think most people would agree it is sub-genre
of techno but if you are thinking of raves and/or the music they play at
raves, then this can be a different topic but is basically what is discussed
here.  Rave music could very well be discussed in the new techno group but
I think it is clear to most everyone there is no need for a rec.music.rave
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: proposal for alt.music.techno
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 04:10:52 GMT

In <16847E62E.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>The point is not that you would or wouldn't hear bands at a rave.
>Rather the point is that I and others would not be caught dead at a rave.
>Is this so hard to grasp?
>I like to listen to techno, but not neccessarily to party along to it.

So information from people who *would* "party along to it" isn't worth your
time?  Even when it's relevant to the music?  Do you not think that things
you have to say may be of interest to people who would "party along to it"?

>Heck, maybe there is no techno that wouldn't be played at a rave! I dunno!
>I really can't answer your question the way you want me to cuz I don't know
>enuf about raves. And the more I learn, the less I want to know.

That's fine, but why be a snob and effectively "take your ball and go
away"?  There is plenty of bandwidth in alt.rave to discuss techno
*without* any content about "rave" per se.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                     Nobody looks good with brown lipstick
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.uu.future
From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf))
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: proposal for alt.music.techno
Date: 18 Aug 1992 19:14:44 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1684612B86.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>Thanks but I don't like rave. I like techno. Lots of others are in the
>same boat, I'm afraid.

	Yow!  I can't let a blanket statement like that go uncontested. 
Please list for me bands that are techno but that 

	a) you would not hear at a rave no matter what, and
	b) doesn't fall under rec.music.industrial.

I certainly can't.

	Brian



Newsgroups: alt.config
From: multics@acm.rpi.edu (Multics)
Subject: problem with alt.uu.* groups?
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:42:24 GMT

I haven't seen any traffic in any of the alt.uu.* groups in over a week.
Is there some problem or posting I missed that would explain this?
-- 
Richard Shetron  multics%acm.rpi.edu@rpi.edu  multics@hermes.acm.rpi.edu
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It's just a consequence of complex carbon based chemistry; don't worry about it
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless.d
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:04:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.212616.28694@dsd.es.com> rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson) writes:
>[Please note that followups are directed to alt.config]
>
>Some people seem to think that tasteless discussion of pictures, or
>discussion of tasteless pictures in alt.binaries.pictures.d wouldn't
>be well received.  However, I've never seen a discussion thread
>actually be generated in a.b.p.d which would support this assertion.
>
>Be that as it may, I am calling for someone to newgroup
>
>    alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless.d	Discussion of tasteless pictures
>-- 
>	Repeal the personal income tax; vote Libertarian in 1992.
>Disclaimer: I speak for myself, except as noted; Copyright 1992 Rich Thomson
>UUCP: ...!uunet!dsd.es.com!rthomson			Rich Thomson
>Internet: rthomson@dsd.es.com	IRC: _Rich_		PEXt Programmer

Sorry Rich.  I think that unless this group starts picking up speed, that
there isn't really enough going on here to create ANOTHER newgroup.  But
if things keep going like they have been lately, then I'm all for it.

-- 
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Xref: sparky alt.config:5219 soc.men:15161
From: starbuck@ucrmath.ucr.edu (aaron greenwood)
Newsgroups: alt.config,soc.men
Subject: Re: Alt.feminism
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:07:21 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <1992Aug17.214630.5682@news.columbia.edu> dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis) writes:
>In article <4855@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw+@pitt.edu writes:
>>
>>Alt.feminism is an unmoderated group for the discussion of feminism and
>>issues relating to feminism.
>>
>   I, for one, am against it. In brief, I don't see how this group would be
>any more than Yet Another Flamewar Group. With s.men and s.women, and also
>talk.rape and talk.abortion, I don't see the need for alt.feminism. It 
>seems to me that a.f will have pretty much an overlapping content with these
>groups and others. What aspect of the content of alt.feminism will be
>different from these groups?
>
>DanZ
>

Every group is a flame-war group at one time or another.  It cannot
be any other way as long as there are no restrictions on who may and may not
post.  In a moderated group like soc.feminism the moderators do censor
articles from a subjective viewpoint.  Many people feel that they are
not fair.  

Feminism is a force in society and as such there should be on the net a
forum for all sides of the issues.  Many of the articles posted to soc.men
deal directly with the issues of feminism.  Some are rejects from soc.feminism
while others deal with topics that are not suited for a moderated group.
One such topic is that there is a difference between being anti-feminist
and _NOT_ anti-women. 

Soc.feminism is a pro-feminist moderated group and basically very dogmatic
in nature.  There are many articles that I have read in that group that
I would like to debate but I will not submit to censorship of any kind.
Feminism is politics and not a religion.  From that viewpoint I see
alt.feminism as a political group.
 
There is an interest, there is need for an unmoderated group and I for
on support the creation of alt.feminism now.

starbuck
Newsgroups: alt.config,soc.culture.nordic