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From: wdo@TEFS1.acd.com (Bill Overpeck)
Subject: astral travel
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:38:35 GMT

John, many of us here are interested in the relationship between
astral travel (out of body experiences) and near death experiences.

When you are traveling in the astral plane (assuming that such
travel is not possible in the physical plane), is this accomplished
via an astral "body" or is this a purely non-physical experience.

What is your opinion of near death experiences?  Are such events
merely the first occurrence (for most people) of the astral body 
leaving the physical body?

Bill, Scot, Keith, Aaron, George, and Lubbe
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFO books
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 15:06:30 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Elaine: You ask about UFO book so here I go.  I'll try to give 
you my opinion on the subject.  The first book is Stranger At The 
Pentagon by Frank Stranges.  Fate Magazine just got through writing
an article tearing this book apart. I figure if Fate has that much to 
say about it then it's got to be good. I read it many years ago and it
talks about a person from Venus called Valient Thor who contacted Ike I.
(our president) and tried to give us some help. We didn't take his 
help but he did give us 2 or more UFOs to show good faith. You can get
the book at Inner Light Publications, P.O. Box 753, New Prunswick,
NJ 08903 USA.
From: UMASP@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Is Bigfoot a Visitor?
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:38:00 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

The idea was bounced around once in an episode of 'The Six Million Dollar Man'.

Bigfoot ended up being a nice guy, and even made a second appearance on a
later episode.
From: andrews@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andrew Shires)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: AARGGH!
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:14:39 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex, England

I returned to the computer lab this afternoon to find that I had left myself
logged-on, and a certain someone had left me a mail message on my account to
point this out --

From andrews@cogs.susx.ac.uk Tue Jul 28 12:57:30 1992
Received: from cste.ctn.cogs.susx.ac.uk by tsunb.ctn.cogs.susx.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Jul 92 12:57:26 +0100
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From: Andrew Shires <andrews@cogs.susx.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 12:54:54 +0100
To: andrews@cogs.susx.ac.uk
Subject: still logged in

you have left yourself logged in and open to infiltration
be warned























your little grey friend with big almond eyes

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ARGH!  I always knew they'd get around to me soon . . .  


-- 
Andrew Shires, COGS, University of Sussex, Falmer, Brighton, ENGLAND
email: andrews@uk.ac.sussex.cogs    and    andrews@uk.ac.sussex.syma
From: aaron@spectrx.saigon.com (Aaron Anderer - System)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: zeta reticuli?
Keywords: zeta reticuli?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:46:09 PDT
Organization: SPECTROX SYSTEMS (408)252-1005 Silicon Valley, Ca

I was talking to my mom about some of the stuff I've been reading in this 
group, and I mentioned Zeta Reticuli.  She said that she heard that star system 
had a super nova quite recently, actually one of the larger ones.  Could some 
one fill me in?  I'd also have to wonder about propulsion from there, since
it is about 40 light years from us, since (according to my calculations, 
correct me if I'm wrong, but all flames to /dev/null) 234,627,900,000,000miles 
away from earth.  I understand that you would have to travel awful fast to get 
here in a commuter fashion, but from what some people have told me, it takes a 
pleidian ship 14 minutes to get here from there(don't quote me on this), if 
that was true wouldn't the theory of folding space, wormholes, or hyperspace 
be discovered or created, even fudged so we could understand how you can 
go through space that fast without the g-force problems associated with 
normal rocket accelleration.
 
And what about all of this columbus day 1992 thing?  anybody got any proof, 
?

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From: reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: John_-_Winston Poll
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:30:32 GMT
Followup-To: talk.bizarre
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <63008@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Dear People: I have been reading your posting and will thinks about them.
> John Winston.

what does will think about them? does he like them?

Jason
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Spaceships Beyond Our Ken(was Re:Elapsed
From: Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton)
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:14:27 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler) 20 JUL 92 20:56:21 GMT types-
>Say (this is alt.alien.visitors) has this technology been captured 
>from aliens(of tau ceti) that the CIA has hjad inside the Pentagon 
>for 73 years.

If they are aliens from the planet tau ceti orbiting the star Tau Ceti 
they should have over 60 years to recover it.
Anyway why tau ceti & why 73 years???..

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: takeuch@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Travis L Takeuchi)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Roswell information; and how to get more
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 08:36:31 GMT

>
>        Friedman maintains that the MJ-12 papers are genuine, in spite of a) 
>near-certain proof that they're counterfeit, and b) it contradicts his 
>two-crash theory. The papers mention only the Roswell crash.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Brian "Rev. P-K" Siano                                  revpk@cellar.org

Being a complete philistine, may I ask what is the near-certain proof that
the MJ-12 papers are counterfeit?
	Thanx in advance,
	Dominic

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: egates@triton.unm.edu (EL GATES)
Subject: Re: zeta reticuli?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:47:57 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Keywords: zeta reticuli?

Zeta Reticuli has NOT gone supernova! In fact, Zeta Reticuli will
never go supernova since it is not a massive enough star! 
Even if it could have gone supernova we would have all
seen it since it would be very bright during the day!  In fact it
would be a bigger deal than supernova 1987A which is the closest 
recent supernova (in occured in one of the companion galaxies to
the Milky Way).  In fact, the crab supernova in 1054 AD was seen
during the day and it was about 6000 light-years away.  Just think
how bright Zeta Reticuli would be since it is only about 40 light-
years distant. 

El
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Kill file
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 13:21:10 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Kevin: 
After thinking about my last advice to you I take it all back it won't 
work.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Subject: Re: zeta reticuli
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 15:02:33 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Jul22.213112.1@indyvax.iupui.edu> tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
>To heck with how the Pleiadians ships work or how fast they go. HOW DID
>THEY EVOLVE SO DARN FAST?  The Pleiades are bright young stars still
>within their nebular cocoon.  They are along the order of millions of
>years old.  It took life on Earth more than 4 billion years to evolve
>to the point where it could walk upright, talk, and dream silly dreams.
>Are the Pleidians child prodigies?  Btw the first prokaryotes didn't
>evolve here until a billion years or so after the formation of Earth.
>Thomas Freebairn

Indeed, unless current theories of planetary formation are WAY off
any planets that may have formed in around the stars in the cluster
would still be mostly molten!  Pretty tough guys if they live in
that type of enviroment.

Ithlial



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From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: astral travel
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:29:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.vxgmwak
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <62637@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Len. If you would learn to use these gifts such as telepathy
>astral projection and a few others then no one would be able to lie
>to you.  Everyone would be an open book for you to read.
	  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>John Winston.


Gosh, isn't that a pleasant thought!


My opinions, mine, mine, mine!

I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash 
is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash 
stuff, then, when some comes up, act like they just woke up and go, 
"What, was THAT?!"
From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Men In Black (mib)
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:40:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO


 >         From what I understand UFO cases from Belgium are unique.  This
 > is
 >         due to the recent government decision by that country to
 > disclose all
 >         infromation on UFO's.  Thus, there may well be just as many UFO
 > cases
 >         in neighboring countries, but they are unreported by witnesses
 > and
 >         respective governments.  Also, Belgium's government has even set
 >
 >         aside jets to search out UFO's that appear on radar.  This is a
 > most
 >         exciting development, and hopefully other governments will
 > follow
 >         in suit ;)

Actually, the Belgian case, from what I know, is the most important UFO event 
in history because it is the first time that there has been a cooperative 
effort at research between a government and a civilian scientific research 
group.

Mike

--  
Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
From: smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:05:15 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <62793@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

John, there are many very weird groups that have many very weird people who
post to them, and there are no groups at all that are weirder than alt.alien.
visitors, nor do people come any weirder than some that post in this group.

But, John, you are abusing the privilege, and you may be the first person I
have ever heard of who might really profit from professional help or a good
long talk with the clergyperson of your choice.  I certainly don't think you
can get much worse.

If you refuse, as I expect you will, you should at least learn that:

A) Usenet does not guarantee your posts will arrive in the order in which they
   were sent.
B) Usenet does not guarantee your posts will sort in order or even together, if
   they, perchance, arrive on the same day.
C) Usenet does not require you break up all your posts into five-line snippets,
   you can just post your message and be done with it.
D) You should run right out and read "The Origin of Consciousness in the
   Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" by Julian Jaynes.  In fact, it should
   be required reading of anyone before reading this newsgroup, as it explains
   a great deal of what I see posted here.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com) No, I don't speak for Cabletron.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Daily I'd go over to Congress - that grand old benevolent national asylum - and
report on the inmates there.  Never seen a body of men with tongues more handy,
or information more uncertain.  If one of those men had been present when the
Deity was on the point of saying "Let there be light" we never would've had it.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Subject: REAL information
Reply-To: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Distribution: all
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 17:47:13 GMT

I keep reading this newsgroup looking for REAL information about the
"abductee" phenomenon.  I am interested because the two current 
"theories" both have counter-evidence which appears to disprove them.

The "believer" theory is that there are somewhere over 3 million people
who are regularly kidnapped by aliens for what appear to be some sort
of experiments in cross-breeding.  The counter evidence is that these
victims are almost exclusively English-speaking North Americans, mostly
Americans.  This indicates either a cultural phenomenon or some strange
selection criteria on the part of the abductors.  It is also difficult
to deal with the fact that the majority of the reported evidence is
obtained only after hypnotic intervention, which makes testimony suspect.

The "skeptic" theory is that the obvious post-traumatic symptoms that these
people display are confabulations in which they substitute the alien
abduction plotline for a real instance of child sexual abuse or some other
traumatic event.  The counter evidence is that most of them do not wish to
accept their memories of alien abduction.  Confabulators cling tightly to
their substitute fantasies, which is opposite the observed behavior in this
group of people.  In addition, many of their memories are expressed and 
recorded BEFORE hypnotic intervention, making the assertation that it is
an unconscious effect of the hypnotist at least weak, if not completely
untenable.

This is a VERY interesting topic and I don't know of anywhere else that a
large group of people can contribute real information.  That's why I read 
this group.

Unfortunately, what I read is mostly muck.  We get alien recepies, rants from
crazies about vibrating Venerial Queens, and personal messages about astral
visits to mythical ancient cities.

Does anybody have anything REAL to contribute?  There are many people out
there suffering from SOME KIND of post-traumatic stress disorder that they
say was caused by aliens.

Maybe it should be a maillist for people who want only serious information.
From: epc@cs.nott.ac.uk (Elvis Presley's Corpse)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Orgone Energy
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:03:00 GMT
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <13905@mindlink.bc.ca> Raymond_Shaw@mindlink.bc.ca (Raymond
Shaw) writes:
> All the orgone accumlators in the USA were "rounded up" and destroyed,
> even though many people had experienced extraordinary cures to various
> diseases, including cancer.  In his will, Reich left instructions that
> his writings be held back from the general public for 50 years.  Reich
> died in 1957. 

I heard the US government rounded up and destroyed most of his
writings as well as the accumulators.  Anyone know any more about this?
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Alien endorses Clinton!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:50:18 GMT

In article <c!qm7xb@lynx.unm.edu>, cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) writes:
> In article <Bs7rLr.2oA@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
>>   No kidding!  Check the tabloid counter at your supermarket.
> 
> I guess now that Perot has dropped out the greys have to endorse Clinton!?!?
> The question is what do they have against Bush/Quayle?
> 
> Ithlial

> morbid stuff deleted...

> *a quotation from:  Jim Harvey
> *		   harvey@iupui.edu


I assume this is a rhetorical question.... :-)

by the way, what on earth prompted you to post that nasty little quote
in your sig file?  If I want to read about people dying horrifically 
I'll read alt.slasher.kill.maim  

Kellie Matthews-Simmons
internet matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu

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From: briggs@air.atmo.arizona.edu (William Briggs)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: astral travel
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:12:13 GMT
Organization: Department of Atmospheric Physics


     Hate to chime in on an already tedious subject; but, Martin Gardner has an
excellent article on old "third-eye" Rampa in his book on the New Age. 
Naturally, I have forgotten the exact title, but it's by Prometheus books,
printed on fine acid-free paper.

     mb
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: hillman@carina.unm.edu (Dan Hillman)
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:07:20 GMT
Organization: Holy Order of Quadra 950 Lust

In article <62518@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>That is I'm still trying.
>John Winston.

Pity.

-- 
| _   ;/                                                          Dan Hillman
|(")_/   "I'm right and you're not."                   hillman@carina.unm.edu
|~~/                                                 University of New Mexico
|~/                                               Land of Fucking Enchantment
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Jason Haines)
Subject: NASA's Block of Ice!
Organization: Uni Computing Service, Uni of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:16:12 GMT

I have just viewed the footage taken from the Space Shuttle, as shown on
Hard Copy (the Australian version), and I must say it is very interesting.

Firstly, to see an object change its direction of motion so radically is
an indication of intelligent control, especially when you see that it did so
to avoid proximity with a high speed object, be it a meteor or a rail-gun...

Secondly, the report on hard copy was pretty superficial, they had no
scientists to provide a professional opinion of the video...

Despite this, I must say that this video sequence show's the most significant
UFO in decades.

I'd like to see more discussion of this important piece of evidence.


-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
Jason Haines - System Operator, MacInTouch BBS (02) 743-5997 (TeleFinder Based)
jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Elapsed Time near c (was Re: Q&A on Extraterr
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 14:00:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul23.080318.25996@fys.ruu.nl> spiering@fys.ruu.nl (Geert Spiering) writes:
>I hope this adds to the discussion, but since everyone keeps repeating
>the statement that nothing can travel faster than light, i would like
>to bring up tachyons.

Great, I'd love to see some. I assume you have a few from the way you
brought it up. :^)

>Einsteins theory only states that nothing can travel WITH the speed of
>light. This means that you cannot accelerate to above the speed of light
>from velocities less than the speed of light. (An infinite amount of
>energy would be necessary).
>However there may be particles that ALWAYS travell at velocities > c.
>The catch is, that these particles would have to have imaginary masses.

Then again, there may not. But all you need to do is create/detect
a few to get the ball rolling. 

>One could still associate real energies to these particles, that are
>singular at v=c. This means that these particles cannot slow down to
>velocities<c.
>Of course, no one has ever seen particles with imaginary masses....
>
>	Geert Spierings.


Rich

payner@netcom.com
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:15:23 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <62793@cup.portal.com>

This is the start of Part 3 of the information from Shaari about ley lines.
----The research by the Star Command is two fold, the first is {they are}
checking to see how the Earth's surface, how the surfacre is being affected
by the deterioration of the ozone, how much reaiaation is in there, how
much negative vibratory frequencies are in there, how many negative 
thought forms are around in there. {This is} very much an assessment and 
analyses of how the Earth's surface is beisng impacted by her {exterior}
enviorment. Pollution, what's happening is that it {comes} from the 
negativity and sometimes the {adverse} thought forms that are laying
close to the ground. The radiation and pollution are all being monitored
and checked.  At the same time while they are checking that, they---JW
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:47:04 -0400 
From: "Robert H. P. Dunn" <rd1s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: aliens from sigkids@siggraph.org

From sigkids Mon Jul 27 15:38:19 1992
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 15:38:19 -0500
From: Siggraph'92 SIGKids <sigkids@siggraph.org>
To: netnews.alt.alien.visitors
Subject: their supiriority over us
Cc: sigkids@siggraph.org

We definately know that aliens are definately superior compared
to us, because they haven't contacted us yet.  This is known
because I was an alien in a past life.  My story starts several
years ago... Me and Zargot were taking an evening stroll when
when an earthling satelite crushed him (sort of like the wiked witch
of the West or east or whatever which one it was. you probably know)
Anyway... I was covered in alien blood(which is made of a very high
corrosive) which severely damaged me.  Also it took our homes amay
(by the way we were exactly 20000 times smaller than those demented
earthlings, so to them our homes looked like grains of dust.  So us
Zarlgonians refer to you extremely massive and inferior earthlings
the "Ones who crushed our homes and smashed our peoples into micro-
scopic bits of dying organic matter, so we tend to stay away from them.
Another reason we are superior is that we control ourselve from eating
toxic waste such as... twinkies, ding dongs, choco bliss, pepsi, and
pizza, raw sea animals with no natural external coverings (shells, etc...)
Also you destroy new life forms and old ones especially your enviroment.
I could go on for many pages, but I am being called by my leader...not
this is "the one who experienced gory things and who had to suffer
because he turned into something terrible after his battery ran out...
.....an earthling!!!"
Ari @ sigkids Chicago
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From: Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Tachyons (was Re: Elapsed Time near c (was Re: Q&A on Extraterr
Date: 25 Jul 1992 00:19:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: astro
Originator: richard@astro.West.Sun.COM

imw@siesoft.co.uk (Ian Wild) writes:

>Wouldn't tachyons have to travel at >c relative to *everything*?  Including
>themselves?

Tachyons are truly bizarre.  Two of them going at >c straight at each
other would actually be going at <c relative to each other!  For example,
plug +2c and -2c into the relative velocity formula
	v_rel = (v1 - v2) / (1 - v1*v2/c^2)
	      = (+2c - -2c) / (1 - (2c)(-2c)/c^2)
	      = 4c / (1 + 4)
	      = - 4/5 c
!!!

     Richard M. Mathews			G eorge
					 D epression
Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM		  B ush casts a
					   G loom on us all