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From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Subject: Gerrymandering
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:57:14 GMT

>dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette) writes:
>>bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>>
>>>By the way, the most eggregious examples of gerrymandering in the recent
>>>redistricting (that I saw) was intended to increase the power of
>>>the black vote, not the white vote.
>>
>>Mo' power to 'em! 8-)
>>But seriously, was this in Louisiana by any chance? If so, I think I've
>>heard about this.

>I honestly can't remember where it was, it might have been 
>Louisiana but I'm not willing to commit to that.

>My point in bringing it up was merely to say that gerrymandering is
>used for other purposes besides limiting the power of the
>black vote - it can also be used to augment that power.

I know of a very obvious, and in my opinion silly, case of modern
gerrymandering here in North Carolina...Home of Jesse Helms :-).  We have what
must qualify for a "most peculiar district" contest.  It stretches from
roughly our northern most border until almost our southern border.  At points
the district is only 1/2 mile wide.  It roughly follows the course of I-85.
Its designers stated reason was to provide blacks a representative office where
it could be virtually guarenteed that a black would when.  Talk about the
"token black".

Does anyone else think that this reasoning is flawed?  I am not a major in
political science or demographics.  Knowing that, you may take this suggestion
with a grain of salt.  Why not have states redistrict along some more logical
lines (ie physical boundaries like rivers, streams, etc) and failing the
existence of such just divide the state into grids?  Granted states will end
up with voters on the same street belonging to different districts but that
happens anyway.

It would also force all politicans to build varied constituencies.  No more
"black districts" true, but better in my view is no more "David Duke"
districts either.  I read awhile back that republicans were all for "black
districts" becuase then they could be assured of having several(many?) all
white districts.  In their minds all white = non-impoverished = conservative
middle america = republicans sure to when.  They seem to be taking the
patronizing attitude of give the "kiddies" their candy and they will shut up
while we rob em blind.
He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:47:12 -0500 
From: William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
	<sN05TB1w163w@peewee>
Distribution: world

In an article <sN05TB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer)
writes:

>You're talking about sex, because that's the only thing important to gay
>people.  It's WRONG to be gay, you're not born that way, and you'll get
>AIDS if you don't stop, and real soon.  It's no coincidence that everyone
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>that gets AIDS is gay. 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Get a clue, pal.  Or either get your head out of your ass!  Ever hear of
blood transfusions?  It's a brand new technological advancement.  Guess
you haven't heard of it yet.  Ever hear of prostitutes having AIDS and
passing it to a straight male?  Admittedly it's wrong, but learn the
facts before you blow hot air!

>Magic is bi (same thing as gay), and I'll make a
>prediction right here: Dick Sargent will die soon, not from cancer, as he
>claims to have, but from AIDS.  You heard it here first.

Again get your head out your ass.  Unless you can come up with SOUND
proof that Magic is bi, ie. you had sex with him yourself, get a life
and EDUCATE yourself!
It's ashame how a college student can know so much more than a full
grown adult.
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:14:34 GMT

In article <1689D12DD6.GRIIVEA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> GRIIVEA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>    The most important step we can take toward protecting ourselves
>against racism is to push for D.C. statehood.  Just imagine the impact
>a homeland for the descendants of African American southern peasants
>would have on "race" relations.
> 
who cares about this "homeland" thing, this isn't south africa.  the issue, as
i see it, is to give full constitutional rights to people living in the district
of columbia as are accorded people in alaska, wyoming, rhode island, etc.  these
rights would apply to *all* living in the non-federal areas of d.c. regardless
of their ancestry.  the fact that current residents of d.c. are mostly af-am is
a reason why people like pat buchanan [who called d.c. statehood as two "affirmative
action seats in the senate"], et. al. are opposed to it.  sounds like racism to
me...

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From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Alarming News
Date: 20 Nov 1992 08:24:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1egr1hINN5sp@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu
(Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
->They do it in California, too.  Some years back, a young black man
->(who was later found to be gay) was found hung in a tree near a BART
->station in one of the burbs away from Oaktown.  It upset a lotta
->black folks, because apparently he had been hanging there for some
->time and it took a shocked commuter to take a good look to know it
->wasn't a Halloween prank and call the cops.  They called it suicide,
->too. The NAACP and other black folks were not so convinced.  Correct
->me, Northern California netters, if I'm wrong.

I remember it happening in Concord in Contra Costa County, later respelled
as Kontra Kosta Kounty.  I don't remember if the cause of death was ever
established but there was suspicion all around that it wasn't suicide.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: of human or divine genius re: AIDS
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:01:18 GMT

pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:

>	This is really a circus. What happened between the time between the
>publishimg of the magazine and the time a investgative panel was allowed to
>reach the vials containing the vaccine? The CIA, Wister and the FBI would
>have been at work eliminating all the evidence and even installing that which
>exculpate them from all blame.

Yup. That's why I was trying to get people on s.c.a.a. worked up about
the issue early this year by reposting Billi Goldberg's articles on the
subject. I even asked Kwame Toure (Stokeley Carmichael) about it when he
visited UCLA during that time. There was just very little awareness of
the issue, and that means there was more opportunity for manipulation.
Its pretty tough imagining Wistar (or anyone else) jumping up and saying
"Yo, man, yeah we started the AIDS thing. We just fucked up, man, sorry."
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:39:59 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <69459@cup.portal.com>, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
> [usual drivel from Arthur "a black degree is worth a white high school
> diploma" Hu deleted...]  
> BTW, how many people know that Malcolm X taught that whites were the
> result of an experiment by a black scientist who wanted to create an
> evil race of people? I'd bet most people with the X hats and T-shirts
> don't know about this. It's in the autobiography.

Hi.. just when I thought Hu would not post any more idiotic comments.  You
could only manage the first few chapters of the autobiography could you? 
Couldn't stretch yourself to read his denunciation of the NOI philosophy, but
then you wouldn't be able to rant and rave on scaa would you?  BTW Arthur on
your sliding scale of black qualifications what white degree is a black Ph.D.
equivalent to?

McBean
From: gh29+@andrew.cmu.edu (George W. Hunter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Light-skinned, Dark-skinned, the conflict continues...
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:00:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8f1xCb200WBMQ3L349
Organization: Masters student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 14-Nov-92 in Light-skinned, Dark-skinned..
user N'Kenge Feagin@next05pg2 writes:
>  That same white man, after polluting  
>our skin with his pale tone, then held the lighter blacks he created,  

Now I agree that the white man has had a direct influence in the skin
tone of many "blacks" in America, to imply that this is a polluting of
skin color, conveys your own possible pre-conceptions toward your black
brotheren.  I am a light skinned male, and I am comfortable with my
color.  My ancestory is undoubtly many faceted.  But for you to say that
I am in some way polluted because of my varied ancestory, is insulting. 
If we as a people can not rise above these petty inferences of
inferiority because of deliniations in our tone, how can we expect the
white man to rise above his present state of racial impropriety? 

 I understand the message you are trying to give in your mail, I just
think you need to look at yourself to see if you really believe that the
lighter skinned males are polluted as you have stated.  If you truly
think so, you are going to have a hard time accepting your self and
others around you.  Because no matter how hard you try to ignore the
facts, the truth remains the overwhelming vast majority of "blacks" in
America have a "polluted" ancestory.  We must accept who we are, and
move on to the important things in life, and stop wasting valuable time
and effort in trying to determine how "pure" we really are.
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Alarming News
Date: 22 Nov 92 13:56:21 GMT
 <1992Nov16.162939.20418@crd.ge.com> <92323.2245133ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

Robert Newby <3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:

>I do not have first hand information.  I'm getting this third hand from
>someone who knows a faculty member at SUNY-Albany.  Evidently there was
>a young black male found hung in Albany.  At first the death was labelled
>a suicide.  The parents objected because that behavior was uncharacteristic
>of their son.  At present the investigation is continuing. Until now
>
>there are no witnesses.
>    There was a similar case in Columbia Missouri about two years ago.  No
>was has been charged in that case.  It is an unsolved case that law enforce-
>ment has labelled a suicide.
>    Seems like they're doing it in the still of the night.

This report is at variance witht the inital "alarm" that said something
like "lynching in ALbany".

Every year, some students kill themselves.  Is there *any*
evidence that this was a lynching, are is someone crying "wolf"
here?

Is there any reason to think that black students are less likely
to commit suicide than white students?
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Subject: Hitler and Stromer <was Re: New Malcolm X biography>
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:34:08 GMT

><andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>In article <9BmiuB6w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
>>(Sam Bhimji) says:
>>It's too bad Hitler hadn't killed your parents...the world would be
>>better off without you here thats for sure..
>>

>Stromer may be an idiot, but Bhimji's comment is racist and disgusting

Agreed.  One of this group's main topics is racism and its evils, mindless
bigotry and plain ignorance.  Everyone needs to speak out against this drivel
just as readily as we do against other forms of racism.

I hope this was only a moments irrationality and not a true belief.


He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
From: cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne)
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:02:42 GMT

In article <By12J8.IME@access.digex.com> wbrown@access.digex.com (William Brown) writes:
>In article <BxzC0J.GzF@unix.amherst.edu> ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D. DANIEL SOKOL) writes:
>>How about just incorporating DC into back into Maryland and thus solving all
>>of the problems.  DC gets its senators and congressmen and nobody has to worry
>>about giving NY City and LA their own seats in the senate.
>>-Danny Sokol
>>Amherst College
>>
>
>   For one, we don't WANT to become a part of Maryland.  By the way, we
>came from land donated by THREE states, although for the life of me I
>can't figure what West Virgina donated.  D.C. has developed a political
>and social structure completely different from that of the burbs, as we
>call them.  A mojor part of that is the uniquely Black politcal climate in
>the city.  There is no other city in America with such a heavy
>concentration of Black elected officials.  Within 5 years of being
>"incorporated" into an axisting state, D.C. politics will definately
>become White-controlled.  Do you know of any OTHER metropolis with an
>almost exclusively Black electorate, regardless of the composition of the
>electorate?  How many cities in the South have 60, 70% Black constituents
>and little or no elected Black officials? 

Additional diatribe deleted.

I agree that it's unfair that citizens in D.C. don't have control of their
city.  I'm sure the original concept of having a federal district was that
city of the federal government should not be subject to the whims of the
politics of the city they were located in.  Thus they acquired land which
was not to be part of any state and the city is totally controlled by Congress.

Living in a State capital, we have much of the same problem as none of the
government buildings are taxed.  For a long time people who worked for the
state didn't pay income tax to the cities they worked in as the state refused
to collect taxes for the cities.

I'm not sure the situation in Washington will change any time soon.
From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: AIDS and all that jazz
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:17:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov19.031742.20778
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95

ncostello@vms.eurokom.ie writes:
>"real science" or "bizarre lunacies of sick people" - sounds like someone's
>been watching too much 1950s science-fiction, people with clean-cut male
>white scientists in smocks and weird twisted extra-terrestrials,
>fighting it out over the future of the galaxy.

You should look at some of the things the Nazis funded under the name
of science.  For example, there was some lunatic group that believed
that the Earth is really a hollow sphere, and that we live on the
inside.  It just looks like we live on the outside because of the way
the light refracts.  The believed that if you built a camera that
photographed the "right" wavelength, you would be able to photograph
England by photographing toward the sky.  The Nazis funded these
people to try to build such a camera so that they could spy on England
with it.

Lunatic groups like to claim to be scientific.  Consider Scientology
for a modern example.  One of the problems the Nazis had was that the
people in charge of their science program didn't know a thing about
science, and so these non-scientific groups that tried to sound
scientific could get support.  Bizarre lunacies of sick people is a
good way to describe some of these.

--Tim Smith
From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: joke
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:16:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 

A rich white woman and her black maid give birth to babies at the same
time.  Some months later, proud of her child's progress, the white woman
rushes into her kitchen, saying:
    "He just said his first word!"
    "Oh really," says the black baby from his cot, "What did he say?"

TTYL, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Computers help you find the wrong answer faster!
From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Are Replican blacks...traitors?
Date: 21 Nov 1992 04:05:29 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: soc
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <jumper.722288942@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham) writes:
>As a general rule, Republicans would prefer the government involved in as few
>things as possible........

The Republicans (at least, as of late) seem to have an inordinate desire to
have the government out of THEIR wallets and into OUR bedrooms. Almost
without exception, that's their agenda.
From: peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 11:25:16 PST
Distribution: world
        
        >It's too bad Hitler hadn't killed your parents...the world would 
        >be better off without you here thats for sure..
        >Sam Bhimji              

This coming from the camel-humping Ay-Rab who denies that the Holocaust
even took place.  Wrap your towel up tighter Sam, your brains are sagging.

You haven't learned anything in 1200 years, since the beginning of Muhammad,  
the false prophet.  I urinate on Nasser's grave.

--Phisrael
From: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Subject: Re: Light-skinned, Dark-skinned, the conflict continues...
Reply-To: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:28:20 GMT

kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson) writes:
delledg@uts.cc.wayne.edu (DeVaughn Elledge) writes:
>
>>Its not a prejudice, or a peer-presured choice, but a feeling when I'm with
>>them. Its like there skin-tone adds to their beauty and I love it. I love 
>>my lighter-skinned sisters but I just don't get the same feeling. I don't
>>know how to describe the feeling...
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>  Certain white people need that feeling too.  This is why blacks sat
> in the back on public busses,  and couldn't find a water fountain to drink 
> from down south.
>
>  The feeling remains the same in a lot of white people today.  Guess it isn't
> prejudice.

Catch a clue Kevin. He's talking about sexual attraction not
segregation. He is not saying that lighter skinned people need to sit
in the back of the bus, he's saying that dark skin turns him on.
It is not prejudice if you are only attracted to people of a certain
race, it is prejudice if you treat people of a different race as less
than human or you discriminate against people who don't share your
sexual preferences. It's sounds like you are a candidate for the NAAWP
with your attempts to turn the sickness of white racism back on black
people in some sort of blame-jujitsu manuver.

Try and think before you spew,
				 Warren Watts
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:27:10 EST
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>Fred Rozenblad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Reviews on _Malcolm X_

There maybe more reviews from unlikely sources. Right the beginning of this
week, some newspapers in my area picked up on an endorsement from the Philly
Police dept. :-)  That's right. The Philadelphia  Police (some of the high
officials) apparently saw the movie a few nights before it was released to
the public. Even these guys said the movie was a good movie.

Of course, this does not go to say that we (blacks) always act crazy after we
see a movie. I believe that was the motive for the officials in Philly looking
at the movie in the 1st place. They had to tell their fellow officers what to
expect from folx coming out of that movie. But theirreviews were positive.


I plan to see it tonight.

 *
Fred Rozenblad           *Why would anybody want to get a PhD in Chemistry?
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu        *
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:42:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov16.191434.29445@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>In article <1689D12DD6.GRIIVEA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> GRIIVEA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>>    The most important step we can take toward protecting ourselves
>>against racism is to push for D.C. statehood.  Just imagine the impact
>>a homeland for the descendants of African American southern peasants
>>would have on "race" relations.
 
>who cares about this "homeland" thing, this isn't south africa.  the issue, as
>i see it, is to give full constitutional rights to people living in the district
>of columbia as are accorded people in alaska, wyoming, rhode island, etc.  these
>rights would apply to *all* living in the non-federal areas of d.c. regardless
>of their ancestry.  the fact that current residents of d.c. are mostly af-am is
>a reason why people like pat buchanan [who called d.c. statehood as two "affirmative
>action seats in the senate"], et. al. are opposed to it.  sounds like racism to
>me...

Interesting side note:
New Mexico and Arizona did not become states until this century because of
racist oppostion to giving two Senators and a Representative to states 
composed of Native Peoples and mixed race people.

Hawaii and Alaska statehood were also delayed for racial reasons. At one point,
an effort was made to deny rights to the Alaska natives and the Asian and
Native descended peoples of Hawaii as a contingent of statehood.

I'd like to Affirmative Action Pat Buchanan back to Ireland. :-)


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

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