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From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Shatner Script
Date: 8 Nov 92 10:15:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Nov8.101516.19650
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <BxD7Fs.5yx@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>
>>October 9th, 1992 "Marilyn Beck's Hollywood" syndicated newspaper article:
>
>>A BOLD NEW JOURNEY: Expect the next "Star Trek" movie to feature both the
>>original cast and the headliners from "Star Trek: The Next Generation."
>>Paramount brass have not as yet settled on a "ST VII" story -- there are
>>several in contention including a WILLIAM SHATNER submission that focuses
>>on a romance for his aging Capt. Kirk character and a young lovely. However,
>>the sentiment among Paramount's r-e-a-l-l-y important powers calls for "Star
>>Trek VII" to be the time for the passing of the baton from the tried and tired
>>to the fresh and forceful who now guide the good ship Enterprise from TV
>>segment to segment.
>>  --- end of quote ---
>
>>Looking at that "tried and tired" line makes me ask, "Does anyone know the
>>age difference between Shatner and Stewart?"
>
>     Shatner is in his mid-to-late 60s.  Stewart is in his
>     early-to-mid 40s.  Believe it.
>

William Shatner was born on March 22, 1931 which makes him 61 at present.

I don't know when Patrick Stewart was born but it was my understanding
that he is in his 50's and not his 40's.

Marg


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From: spice@convex.csd.uwm.edu (James G Spice)
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Subject: dubbed voice
Date: 10 Nov 1992 06:27:38 GMT
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Was little Guinan's voice dubbed, or am I stupid?

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And we're off, like a dirty shirt!         U. of Wisconsin -- Milwaukee
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From: dvp@getafix (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek V
Date: 7 Nov 92 11:53:53 GMT
Organization: ICL, Bracknell, Berks, UK
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YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
> 
>    Since people are cataloguing what they liked about STV, I might as well
> put in my two credits' worth:  I consider STV my least favorite of the
> movies as a whole, but there are parts which I liked:
>  
[ Lots of good points deleted]
>  
When I first saw STV, the first impression I gained was that it had been
pitched at a more 'mature' audience (no flames please, this is just MHO).
The (in)famous "You really piss me off, Jim" quote, jumped out the speaker
at me and I thought right away, we have something different here. It wasn't
just this phrase either, but that the characters appeared (in most cases)
more believable (perhaps hidden sadness and frustration that their peak
years are past and that old age is just around the corner).

Since then, I've watched it a few more times and read many points of view
on the net and many interesting points raised which made me reappraise my
opinions of the movie. Junsok has summarised most of them and whilst I 
accept the validity of them (particulary Uhuru's 'dance'), I still believe
that STV should be given credit for boldy going where no ST movie has gone
before, in trying to make the characters more real (now I know I'm going
to get flamed!). I admit, that at times it didn't work, but overall, I have
to take my hat of to the producers and to Shatner for trying something
different - going beyond a straight adventure concept. I like all the ST
movies - VI the best, III the least, and believe that STV deserves to
be considered on it's own merits, not in comparison to the others (such
is also true for each of them). 

>       Junsok Yang

Dave
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: Who writes this stuff...?
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:56:58 GMT

In <1992Nov8.000646.24833@cs.mun.ca> joseph@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Joseph Dawson) writes:
>Now I am sure there are a great deal of you out in NET land who are
>going to tell me about BIO-FILTERS and the like.  Well before you
>do please emplane how there clothing became just the right size to
>fit?

Umm, not to defend the episode, but I think you're wrong here.  Unless I
was making things up, their clothing did NOT "shrink to fit" at the start of
the episode.  The kids were actually wearing clothing too large for them.
(They obviously changed clothes before going to Sickbay.)

However, it appeared that their clothes GREW with them (or at least with
Picard) when they were restored to normal at the end of the episode.

>As well this episode has open the door to the fountain of youth. 
>If every five or ten years I can just run myself through a BIO-
>FILTER and take out the nasty ageing stuff, then I never need get
>old, ever again.

I was wondering whether Keiko, Ro and Guinan had become virgins again (well,
at least in Keiko's case it would have been "again" :-)  Since Picard's
hair returned, it doesn't seem far-fetched.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

Not a model man, not a savior or a saint.
Imperfect in a word, make no mistake.
But I give you everything I have.  Take me as I am...
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From: pjohnson@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Peter Johnson)
Subject: Re: A Lament.  A big damned Lament.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:14:59 GMT

In article <9189@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.134630.4589@hellgate.utah.edu>, jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley) writes:
>> Come on, guys.  No more malfunctioning holodecks, no more transporter
>> accidents, no more omnipotent aliens, no more possessed counselors.
>Absolutely.  The "Scotty" use of the tranporter was interesting.
>Unfortunately, it came on the heels of the "Barkley" use of the transporter
>and is followed by the "Incredible shrinking Crew" use of the transporter
>as a plot.  Great Jumping Klingons!  You'd think they'd get a clue!  One
>tranporter "accident" per SERIES is enough.
>The holodeck plots were worn out in a similar fashion.  Of course the
>fact the tranporter exists and is now used for "point to point" transport
>in the 24th century, screws up the "trapped in the holodeck" plots.  One
>holodeck episode per SERIES is FAR MORE than enough.
>Terry

	I agree that the transporter episodes have been too close together,
but I also wish to point out that the safety record of transporters brought
up in "Realm of Fear" was only REINFORCED and NOT contradicted by "Relics"
and "Rascals."
	In "Relics", Scotty's manipulation of the transporter kept him
sufficiently safe that he could be reconstructed with his memories and mind
intact.  (Before Geordi initiated the transport that rescued Scotty, I
think Geordi referred to only a small degradation of Scotty's "pattern
buffer".)
	In "Rascals", the transporter once again reconstructed the four
characters with their memories and mind intact.  It was the transporter
which overcame the loss of the characters' "RVNA" and reconstructed them as
children.
	It is a tribute to the designers of the transporter that it can
adapt to unforeseen situations, rescuing the bodies and minds of
transportees IN SPITE OF the unusual circumstances.  Its safety record
remains unblemished.
	In STAR TREK:  THE MOTION PICTURE, the Vulcan was destroyed by the
transporter because it was not functional; Scotty himself tried to prevent
it from being used, but it was too late.
	In every episode, from the Original Series to Next Gen, the
transporter has been a tool used in support of life.
B
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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals...did anyone else like it?
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:45:56 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <1665@seqp4.sequoia.com> ajm@seqp4.sequoia.com (A.J.Madison) writes:
>Actually, I take great pride in being in the minority when it comes to
>rec.arts.startrek.current.  My differing opinion confirms my good taste.
>Or to put it another way, so many of them Miss The Point, and in high
>volume.

Right on!  There are occassional technical gaffes, and some weak episodes,
but this series has generated well over 100 stories, most of them quite
enjoyable.  I too get tired of the vulture mentality on r.a.s.c.  I enjoy
debating the technical issues (which is why I follow r.a.s.tech as well),
but all too many of these self-proclaimed reviewers spew bile faster than
Linda Blair in "The Exorcist"!

And as for these same gentlepersons elevating TOS onto a platinum pedestal,
Good Grief!  The original series was fun, but the acting was often terrible,
the sets and props too obviously put together on a shoestring budget, and
the technical errors far worse and more numerous.

Don't get me wrong - I really like TOS also.  There were award-winning
stories like "The City on the Edge of Forever", television firsts like
the first interracial kiss (Kirk and Uhura in "Plato's Stepchildren"),
and departures from the S-F cliches of the time, such as turning a
monster hunt around to see the adversary's viewpoint ("Devil in the Dark",
"Arena").

Like everything else, each series has its strengths and weaknesses, and
I'd like to see more people comment on the positive aspects, and to see
more CONSTRUCTIVE criticism of the flaws, i.e. what could have fixed it
or how can it be rationalized rather than "it sucks".

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From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals:  Kanamorites have missed the point again...
Date: 6 Nov 1992 02:42:30 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <1992Nov5.211615.26911@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kevin@csd-d-2.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth) writes:

...
|     I give Rascals a 9.  It redefines TNG humor to a higher level.

I agree. Rascals was great. It was technologically awfull, but was
great character development, even if the Younger Picard had an
obnoxious accent.

By the way, did you notice that the "Action" theme of the plot
actually had to do something with the story? Much of the time, it is
completely irrelevent. The greatness of the show was it's true science
fiction quality: using technical devices to show us something about
ourselves, not about more mechanical things.



-- 
"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
                      Kenneth Boulding                             

					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
						david@cats.ucsc.edu.
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From: thespis@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Religion and Star Trek
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:24:25 GMT


In the episode "Who Watches the Watchers" (title corrections 
grudgingly welcome) in which the primitive people think that our
favorite CO is The Picard, a deity, didn't Picard vehemently make the
point that religion was just a nasty superstition which these nice
people could well do without?

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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: R.A.S.Creative Request
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:50:03 GMT

In article <06NOV92.21484962.0041@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> K1N2 <K1N2@UNB.CA> writes:
>Hi! I don't get rec.arts.startrek.creative, and I never even knew
>it existed until I heard a reference to it in ras.misc.  My
>university is in control of what user-groups we are allowed to read,
>and I would really really like to see what kind of things are
>posted in rec.arts.startrek.creative.

>Could someone send me some posts from there? My email address is
>k1n2@unb.ca .

There is no rec.arts.startrek.creative, though I think that a few
sites in the United Kingdom have aliased the alt group
alt.startrek.creative to r.a.s.creative.  You might find the group
alt.startrek.creative instead.
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From: blanche@diana.cair.du.edu (Blanche Cohen)
Subject: Re: If anybody from the ST:TNG crew is reading...
Keywords: TNG, Scripts
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 07:55:22 GMT
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: Rascals  Computer Access Security
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:46:29 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <10NOV92.13044584@wums.wustl.edu>, wetsel_r@wums.wustl.edu writes:
> I can understand that the computer would not recognize the young Picards
> voice and thus would not allow him access to the computer.  However, in
> ST-TWOK, Kirk accesses the computer via a retinal scan, which regardless of
> age, should not change with time.  However, we have yet to see a retinal
> security scan on ST-TNG.  I wonder why though???  A retinal scan would have
> allowed the young Picard to access the computer as he needed.  If it were me,
> silly as I am, I would have retained the retinal scan in addition to the
> voice ID for that extra level of security which was needed in this particular
> case.  I enjoyed the episode none the less..  however, I do agree with
> previous posting that the big E was taken over all too quickly and over-
> powered much to fast by two piddly birds of prey... other than that it was
> OK...
> 
> David L. Haviland
> haviand@kids.wustl.edu


If the person's eye were ever injured, what would you do then?  sure, the
eye will heal, but there will be some scar tissue and the computer would 
baulk at it.

If something happens to a person's voice, that can heal normally and the
computer will not need to make adjustments.

I wonder what Starfleet does for races that do not have voices.....



Steven.K.Manfred
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals Question
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:03:56 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <BxHMoC.7H5@acsu.buffalo.edu> v128nkej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PAST,PRESENT AND FUTURE IS ONLY ILLUSION,HOWEVER PERSISTENT...) writes:
]In article <sezmLZm00YUn5OX1YA@andrew.cmu.edu>, dn15+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas Lee Nigen) writes...
]>This may be a stupid question but since the BoP is clocked why can't they
]>just beam a bording party abord the Enterprise?  This would give the
]>Enterprise less time to react.
]> 
]> 
]>Doug.
]
]	I believe this follows the same line as not being able to fire when
]cloaked, I assume that the same holds true for transporting when cloaked.

What about the BoP that took Picard and Data to Romulus in Unification? I
thought they were cloaked the whole time esp. when they beamed down to the
planet. I mean, the BoP could have hid in an asteroid to do maintenance on 
the cloaking device but to make a run on the planet it would *have* to be
cloaked during the whole run.

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#^%$!! Militarist          |  are going to the stars." Anonymous
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From: hunter@quake.sylmar.ca.us (James Collins)
Subject: Worf, the Klingon Punching Bag...
Organization: Quake Public Access, Sylmar CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:05:18 GMT

Out of curiosity, has anyone counted the number of time the natural 
warrior Worf got plastered, crushed, beaten to a pulp, or zapped with 
miscellaneous weapons?  Maybe we should have a nice table of statistics, 
with one column Worf getting clobbered, one with Worf getting clobbered, 
but taking someone with him, and one where *he* clobbers someone (hmm, 
kinda sparse for this column.  Only thing I can think of right now is 
that holodeck scene where he is with Riker, and beating up monsters...  
Err wait, didn't he get smacked by one of them? :)   I dunno, maybe it's 
me...  But I would think that those writers at Paramount would put in a 
scene where he saves the day by zapping all the whatchamacallits without 
getting hurt.  Or if he does get taken out, say with that Ferrengi scene 
in Rascals, how about him taking out the two Ferrengi and have anouther 
one pop up behind him and blast him... (to save the plot).  At least we'd
see him *do* something warriorlike for a change...


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From: harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp)
Subject: Re: A Fistful of Datas comment
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:54:36 GMT

Re: the bad acting by the cat playing the role of "Spot"

My guess is that it's Rick Berman's cat, and well, you know show
business.  You don't have to be good if you know the right people. ;)

BTW, the cat is a better actor than any of Aaron Spelling's kids. ;)
(FYI Aaron Spelling is the person held accountable for such horrors as
"90210" and "Melrose Place".)
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  And hearts on fire / Are just the same old song" -- The Cure
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Worf, the Klingon Punching Bag...
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:22:03 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <J4XZTB1w165w@quake.sylmar.ca.us> hunter@quake.sylmar.ca.us (James Collins) writes:
>Out of curiosity, has anyone counted the number of time the natural 
>warrior Worf got plastered, crushed, beaten to a pulp, or zapped with 
>miscellaneous weapons?  Maybe we should have a nice table of statistics, 
>with one column Worf getting clobbered, one with Worf getting clobbered, 
>but taking someone with him, and one where *he* clobbers someone (hmm, 
>kinda sparse for this column.  Only thing I can think of right now is 
>that holodeck scene where he is with Riker, and beating up monsters...  
>Err wait, didn't he get smacked by one of them? :)   I dunno, maybe it's 
>me...  But I would think that those writers at Paramount would put in a 
>scene where he saves the day by zapping all the whatchamacallits without 
>getting hurt.  Or if he does get taken out, say with that Ferrengi scene 
>in Rascals, how about him taking out the two Ferrengi and have anouther 
>one pop up behind him and blast him... (to save the plot).  At least we'd
>see him *do* something warriorlike for a change...
>
To my mind of thinking the only two physical fights Worf has won are when
he kills Duras and (spoiler)






when he defeats the Anti-Data on the holodeck in Fistful of Datas.


He also won he battle for his family honor, eventually, but that wasn't
physical.  And an argument could be made that he cheated against Data, but
he survived, didn't he?


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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: Points to Ponder: Rascals
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:24:49 GMT

odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin) writes:
:)  When I didn't think about it, I rather enjoyed it.  However...


:)  - What the Hell happened to Molly???  She had to have been at least three,
:)    and I wouldn't rule four out...  Wasn't she still a squalling infant in
:)    late Season Five's "Troi, Data and O'Brien take over the Enterprise" ep.?

Apparantly there is some natural warp in the universe that takes place in
the future that causes children to go from 1/2 year old to 4 years old
in a day. Alexander suffers from the same problem, as he should be about
3 years old right now (conceived second season, born sometime near begining
of third, this being the sixth), but this theory of mine places him at almost
7.  :)

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From: greg@Quotron.COM (Greg "Maddog" Knauss)
Subject: Blazing Datas (Microscopic *SPOILER*)
Organization: Quotron System, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:51:35 GMT

	"The sheriff's a Kli- [BONG!]"
	"What?"
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