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From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous trivia...Summary
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:38:34 GMT

OK, you've seen some of the answer in the net. I got a few private e-mails.
To summarize, the answers I got were:

LW: Lob (probably best choice)
    Loft

FW: Finesse (probably best choice)
    Fairway
    Flip or Flop

AW: Attack
    Alternate
    Assault
    Approach (probably best choice)

E : Equalizer. This is the correct answer. Someone asked where it got it's
      name. My guess is that the term Equalizer is given to someone who can
      match the best score in match play. For example in a skins game, Player
      A makes par, then B makes bogey and C makes bogey. It is up to D to make
      a par so that the hole is carried over. If D makes par, he is called the
      "equalizer". So I guess that since the pitching wedge is sometimes used
      to chip-in for par, that's how it got it's name.


As for the Hogan numbering system,

Hogan              True Temper
1                   L  \ I probably
2                   A  / mixed-up these two
3                   R
4                   S
5                   X
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From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Subject: Re: The TopFlite Tour 90 ball
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:49:52 GMT

In <1992Aug14.002013.20264@bcrka451.bnr.ca> robg@bnr.ca (Rob Gaudet) writes:

>I've tried them and love them. For my money, they are
>superiour to the Titleist DT, almost comparable to the
>Titleist tour balatas. I think the Top-Flite Tours last
>longer than the balatas do. 

>I've only played the 90 compressions. Anyone tried the 100s?

Yeah, I like them, too. IMO, it's softer than a DT and grabs better. I've tried
both 90' and 100's, however haven't played the 100's long enough to determine
a difference.

A very cost-effective ball, indeed.
From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: SONY World Rankings
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:25:07 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation

-----------

Someone had asked about SONY rankings as of August 2nd. I imagine Nick Price
and Jeff Maggart have gone up a bit, while John Daly has gone done, but Faldo
must still be number 1. 

Here's the top 26 and selected others:

1.  Nick Faldo ENG       20.37
2.  Fred Couples         16.89
3.  J.M. Olazabl SPN     15.09
4.  Bernhard Langer GER  13.31
5.  Ian Woosnam WAL      12.88
6.  Greg Norman AUS      11.40
7.  Seve Ballesteros SPN 11.08
8.  Davis Love III       10.73
9.  Paul Azinger          9.90
10. Tom Kite              9.72
11. Mark O'Meara          9.46
12. John Cook             9.27
13. Mark McNutty SAF      9.14
14. Ray Floyd             8.93  
15. Bruce Leitzke         8.43
16. Payne Stewert         8.42
17. Nick Price AIM        7.89
18. Ian Baker-Finch AUS   7.66
19. Chip Beck             7.61
20. Corey Pavin           7.57
21. Jumbo Ozaki JPN       7.53
22. Rodger Davis AUS      7.49
23. Craig Parry AUS       7.37
24. T. Johnstone ZIM      6.64
25. C. Montgomerie EUR    6.52
26. Jeff Sluman           6.49
29. Lanny Wadkins         6.28
32. Tom Watson            5.75
38. Hale Irwin            5.27
45. John Daly             4.86
62. Rocco Mediate         4.22
80. Fuzzy Zoeller         3.70
84. Curtis Strange        3.55
100. Jeff Maggart         3.16
From: manne@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Magnus L|vkvist)
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous trivia
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:03:34 GMT

fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante) writes:

>Game-time !

>With the onset of wedge systems, what do the following initials on wedges
>mean (i.e. - PW = pitching wedge, SW = sand wedge)

>LW (seen on many brands)
Loft Wedge

>FW (seen on Square Two's)
No idea

>AW (seen on Callaway S2H2)
Don't know

>E  (seen on Hogan's)
Equalizer

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From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Subject: Re: >Chipping
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:09:51 GMT

After reading about the several techniques for chipping I still don't see
how someone can religiously use a 7 iron from xx-feet from the green, or
a PW from yy-feet from the green. There's more to club selection for chipping
than just distance: conditions of the lie (stance, rough length, etc),
conditions of the green (slope/break, hard/soft, wet/dry, grain, etc, and
finally the way you feel about the shot. I found myself in almost similar
positions off a green in my home course, and some days I use a 9-iron, other
days a PW, and so on. Even though I support the use of different clubs to
chip/pitch around the greens, I still think that FEEL is the most important
factor in deciding what club to use. Still, I try to get the ball rolling on
the green as soon as possible to have a decent margin of error and try to
visualize EXACTLY the trajectory of the ball before executing the shot. One
thing that helps me visualize the shot is to ask to myself, almost loudly,
what is, exactly, that I intend to do with this shot. If you answer yourself
that question before the shot, you'll find out what club would be the most
appropriate to use. It may sound silly, but it works. (e.g: "I want the ball to
come out this low, so it would bounce right next to that ball mark over ther
and take the break right before the mound and start dying about there and then
fall into the hole from that side"
Just my 2 cents.

Martin
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From: ohoda@cs.ulowell.edu (Omar Hoda)
Subject: Golf in Malaysia...
Originator: ohoda@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Organization: U. Mass. at Lowell
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 05:14:26 GMT


Hi All,

	I was wondering if any of you had played golf in Malaysia.  I am
flying out next Tuesday and was wondering if you guys could suggest a course
or two.  I know this is a long shot so any input would be appreciated.

	Thanks


Omar.
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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: More trivia (was: SONY World Rankings)
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:24:18 GMT

cs@castle.ed.ac.uk (C Smith) writes:


> |> >1.  Nick Faldo ENG       20.37
> Wilson
> certainly used to be but I thought he'd changed to Mizuno

> |> >2.  Fred Couples         16.89
> Was 845's.  Didn't he switch to Wilson's this year?

Lynx

> |> >3.  J.M. Olazabl SPN     15.09
>	Mizuno
> |> >4.  Bernhard Langer GER  13.31
>	Wilson
> |> >5.  Ian Woosnam WAL      12.88
>	Maruman
> |> >6.  Greg Norman AUS      11.40

Cobra (he bought the company )

> |> >7.  Seve Ballesteros SPN 11.08
>	Slazenger
> |> >8.  Davis Love III       10.73

845's

> |> >9.  Paul Azinger          9.90
> probably Zing's :^)
> |> >10. Tom Kite              9.72
>|> Hogan ... for years
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From: federkin@rtsg.mot.com (John Federkins)
Subject: Re: Golf in the Olympics
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:24:36 GMT

walker@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Scott Walker) writes:
>In article <fragante.713550980@unixg.ubc.ca> fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante) writes:
>>Sometimes, I really wonder if the Olympics does award the *best* athlete in
>>the world....  - it might just determine who is the luckiest player in the world.

>Yes!  I wholeheartedly agree with this.  I could not stand watching any more
>Olympics after the "hands down Gold medal favorite" ends up not even
>qualifying, or just getting a bronze, beaten out by a no-name.  They put so
>much hype on these atheletes, and if they have one bad day, then they are 
>history, which isn't fair.

It's fair but unlucky.  Everybody competes on equal grounds.  The Olympic Games are an event -
not a synopsis of past achievements!  If the favorites always won the gold, the games
would be boring and predictable.  If you appreciate sports, you should be able to
appreciate the excitement of the competition, the uncertainty, and the surprises.

Usually, the favorites do win.  And when they don't, it's usually not because a lesser
athlete had a remarkable day, it's because the favorite had a poor performance.  And in
my opinion, if someone wants to win a gold medal, their performance needs to be
consistent enough to win when it really counts.  Also, I think most people know that
winning an Olympic gold medal doesn't necessarily mean you are the best in the world
and always will be.  It means that when put up against world class athletes, you were
the best in the world for that event at that time.

I could go on, but that's more than enough for this newsgroup.

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From: dye@edison.llumc.edu (Leonard Dye)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Fast track to PGA
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:15:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: LLUMC Radiation Research Lab

It seems each time I pick up the sports page of the local paper I read
about Tiger Woods winning another tournament. His last tournament he
won by 9 stokes with a 8 under par. Last month he won his second Jr.
Championship. If he is for real and continues his success in NCAA, what
would be the fast track to the PGA? Would he have to play the Hoagen
Tour a year or so, or could he go straight to the PGA? What professionalshave had success in NCAA? What route did they take?

I have special interest in John Cook. He and Ken Venturi host our
departments annual tournament "Proton Charity Inventational". His
recent preformances have surely increase the value of the tournament. I
have only been following golf for about a year, and I know he went to OSU
and lives in Rancho Mirage but thats about it. Any additional infomation
would be greatly appreciated.
 
Leonard Dye
dye@proton.llumc.edu
From: RPT378@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Slotline Hammer?
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:16:06 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

I'd be interested in your views on the Slotline Hammer.  The ad descriptions
look very appealing; have any of you tried one?  How did you like it? What is
the street price? Does it come in LH?  Thanks!  Larry
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From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Golf in the Olympics
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:30:38 GMT

brickle@idacrd.UUCP (Frank Brickle) writes:
: 
: (2) How wide would the participation be? The (forme)r Eastern Bloc countries
: could or would not field teams.
:

It's got to be better than something like skiing.  There must be quite
a few equatorial countries that don't have mountains high enough to
ski.

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Rosemount Inc.                                |in '58, I scrubbed him with a
                                              |MILD SOAP or DETERGENT for 15
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                                              |it..
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From: sjk@kepler.unh.edu (Stephen J Kenny)
Subject: Re: Scuffed balls
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:29:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.153618.9496@mmm.serc.3m.com> us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
>To what degree can a scuffed ball affect your ball's trajectory.  Casual
>observation would conclude that it would augment and flight
>characteristics due to spinning, i.e., more slice, more loft.
>
>By scuffed, I mean what your ball looks like after your drive hits the
>cart path.  Also to a lesser degree, I've scuffed balls hitting them
>out of sand traps.

For the GREAT majority of players, this dosn't make or break the
shot. I have friends who are single handicappers that claim the
scuff increases "action", resulting in greater stickiness into
greens. I've never seen it.
Theoretically, on a perfect afternoon with zero wind, and
catching the EXACT sweet spot of both ball and club, the
scuff (Which technically takes the ball "out of round") might
result in either slight fade or draw, but again, the effect would
be ever so slight.
A CUT ball is entirely different of course..
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From: finch@engin.umich.edu (William W Finch)
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous trivia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 11:41:42 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Geez you guys, it's SO simple.  :-)

An "E" is just a stylized "W" turned on its side!
Okay, maybe not.


Bill Finch
finch@engin.umich.edu

...possibly the least consistent golfer in the world.


I had a string of 5 (count 'em, five) bogeys last week.  Don't ask about
the other 4 holes.  8-(    Still pretty good for me.....
.
From: cs@castle.ed.ac.uk (C Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: More trivia (was: SONY World Rankings)
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:56:09 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service


 |> >1.  Nick Faldo ENG       20.37
 Wilson
 certainly used to be but I thought he'd changed to Mizuno

 |> >2.  Fred Couples         16.89
 Was 845's.  Didn't he switch to Wilson's this year?
 
 |> >3.  J.M. Olazabl SPN     15.09
	Mizuno
 |> >4.  Bernhard Langer GER  13.31
	Wilson
 |> >5.  Ian Woosnam WAL      12.88
	Maruman
 |> >6.  Greg Norman AUS      11.40
 |> >7.  Seve Ballesteros SPN 11.08
	Slazenger
 |> >8.  Davis Love III       10.73
 |> >9.  Paul Azinger          9.90
 probably Zing's :^)

 |> >10. Tom Kite              9.72
|> Hogan ... for years

 

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 remote sensing
 edinburgh university
 cs@uk.ac.ed.met
From: sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Golf in the Olympics
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:42:31 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <45810038@hplsla.hp.com> jaym@hplsla.hp.com (Jay Miazga) writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>The Olympic programme is up for a major revision and it seems that golf 
>may be on the Olympic programme in Atlanta 1996. Does anyone of you have
>some more information, comments, opinions on this issue? 
>
>Odd Ivar Lindland
>PhD-student
>University of Trondheim
>Norway 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>I got into a discussion about this during the Olympics; it's funny
>they are considering it.
>
>As much as I love golf, I'm not sure I'd want to see it at the Olympics.
>Holding the Olympics has gotten to be so amazingly expensive, that it
>by neccessity has become far, far too commercialized.  The "Dream Team"
>having to drape themselves with flags to cover up the logo of a non-
>official sponsor was the punchline to a bad joke.  The time and
>expense involved would push this even further.  
>Also, could you imagine how poor the coverage would be?  We all
>bitch and moan about network coverage, just think how frustrating
>it would be to get a 2 minute recap at 1:00 in the morning.
>There is also a decent amount of funding and international competition
>in golf without the shot-in-the-arm of making it an Olympic event.
>

I agree that golf shouldn't be an Olympic event, but for different
reasons.  In my opinion, the Olympics should be for *sports*, and my
definition of sport says that it must involve physical exertion
(in other words, sweating) -- golf is a game, not a sport because
you don't sweat playing golf (unless you count lugging a heavy bag
of clubs around for a few miles; but then it would be the caddies
who are competing).

Now, don't throw flames at me; I'm not saying professional golfers
aren't athletic, they are.

Other events in the Olympics which are not sports and should be dropped:
	yachting
	curling
	rifle shooting (the Summer version, the Winter biatholon is certainly
					physically exerting)
	.. I'm sure there are more

Roger
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From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: club-building advice
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:29:29 GMT

In <1992Aug12.121942.868@rosevax.rosemount.com> billodo@cyclone (Bill O'Donnell) writes:

>How do you re-score irons?  Can it be done to forged clubs?  Do they need to
>be re-scored?  I had one of my 16 year old Staff Tour Blades rechromed this year
>and It is like new...without re-scoring. I would think the need for re-scoring 
>would be even less for stainless steel, since it is harder than carbon steel.

To start with, I bought a very old used set of Maxfli Australian Blades with a
missing 9-iron real dirt cheap. The reason for the set was to use it as a
practice set for tinkering around. The clubface was pretty "weathered" so much
that some irons barely had any grooves left - it was just a slit with barely
any gap in between.

My Dad has a tool similar to the scoring tool I saw in the Golfsmith catalog.
Supposedly made of a carbide tip, I just ran the tool down the slit over and
over until it caused a little gap and started to resemble a groove. Now I did
not care whether it was a V-groove or a U-groove or whatever ABC-groove I
was creating. I just wanted to make sure that I didn't go too deeply to expose
some carbon steel that could rust. THe process takes some time and some extra
care so as not to accidentally get "off-track" from the line when running the
tool which would cause a scar on the clubface. After I was satisfied with the
amount of groove that re-appeared (sufficient but not the same as new), I
re-painted the grooves with black enamel paint (use scale model paint) to coat
the grooves and hope that it will seal off any exposed carbon steel.

Maybe your Staff blades still had good grooves in them that did not warrant
rescoring. I tried to rescore a cast club and it was harder than carbon steel.
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From: brash@pubff1.triumf.ca (BRASH, ED)
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous trivia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:17:00 GMT

In article <fragante.714069109@unixg.ubc.ca>, fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante) writes...
>Game-time !
> 
>With the onset of wedge systems, what do the following initials on wedges
>mean (i.e. - PW = pitching wedge, SW = sand wedge)
> 
>LW (seen on many brands)
>FW (seen on Square Two's)
>AW (seen on Callaway S2H2)
>E  (seen on Hogan's)
> 

LW - Lob Wedge
AW - Alternate Wedge
FW - Fourth Wedge ? I have seen TW for Third Wedge.
E  - Eleven Iron ?

Later,
Ed.

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From: jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,)
Subject: Graphite shafts
Reply-To: jimv@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:07:58 GMT

Thought I'd dip into the vast wealth of knowledge of this group on something
that is happening to my clubs.  I have the Ultra's, with the Gold Boron 
Graphite shafts.  These are the one's prior to the FireStick craze, 1990.
Anyway, I have a golf bag with individual tubes for each club, PLUS, I went
out to the local golf shop and bought the recommended insert tubes, which 
fit into the tubes in the bag.  OK, great, all should be fine.  NOT.  Now,
ALL of my shafts have wear marks, coinciding with where the shaft rubs against
these "soft" tubes.  So on some clubs, I can actually see the black graphite
underneath the outer gold colored layer.  Great.  So much for resale value, not
that I am anticipating doing so.  But I'm pissed-off that this has happened
and tainted my "perfect" clubs that I spent more than I wanted to, even though
I got a "great deal" on them...   8)    So, the damage is done.  But I don't 
want them to wear so far that one day I send the clubhead, and about 3-6" of
shaft hurling down the fairway, probably ahead of the ball...  Any advice as 
to how to minimize further wear and/or repair the current damage?  Other than
going out and buying another bag, like the ones with the fur-lined 
compartments that let the clubs smack against each other...   Gracias.

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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: More trivia (was: SONY World Rankings)
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:04:27 GMT
Distribution: sqnt
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug20.201351.15146@sequent.com> john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght) writes:

>Usually, the contracts that the players have are only for the 1-9 irons.
>They can usually pick whatever woods, wedges and putter they want since
>these are the most individual clubs.

A few years back I was told that Ping required players to carry at
least 12 Ping clubs or they couldn't carry a Ping bag.  Don't know 
whether it's still true.


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From: jdd@wheezer.wustl.edu (John DeHart)
Subject: Palm Springs Clubs?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:54:51 GMT


I'm in the process of shopping for a new set of clubs.
I've been looking at the Palm Springs Desert Classic II.
Anyone have any experience with them or Palm Springs in
general?

Thanks,
John DeHart
Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
jdd@arl.wustl.edu

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From: ldelapen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Luis De La Pena)
Subject: club distances?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 03:00:42 GMT

I'm just getting into golf and I want to know approximately how far
each club is supposed to hit.  Could someone please fill me in on
this?  Thanks a lot...

Sonny
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