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From: ema@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Erin McCanna, ema@asimov)
Subject: Brian Blessed (was Re: Pertwee, etc.)
Reply-To: ema@cfsmo.honeywell.com
Organization: Honeywell, CFS/MO
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:09:46 GMT

In article 1@kean.ucs.mun.ca, pjam@kean.ucs.mun.ca () writes:
>In article <retief.702882071@mchem3.al.iastate.edu>, retief@iastate.edu (Jim Miller) writes:
>> )Brian Blessed would be interesting too, as long as he didn't
>> )act too silly (as his character did in the Trial of a Time Lord).
>>
>> Um, I don't place the name Brian Blessed with someone right now, can
>> someone give me a couple of examples of his work?
>
>One example is in the Colin Baker -Trial of a Timelord season (second story,  
> whatever it's title was...). Blessed played the exuberently loud King 
>Ycarnos, who was manipulated by the timelords into destroying a 
>successful life-transfer experiment (that threatened time, I suppose).
>
>I don't know his other works, but you can check out his perhaps silly 
>but very entertaining performance in the second story of Trial of a 
>Timelord. The silliness may be in the character more than the actor; 
>I'd like to see more of him. Other Brian Blessed works, anyone?
>  

Brian Blessed played RobinHood's father (short role) in "RobinHood:
Prince of Thieves" (Kevin Costner version). He played King Richard in
the first season of "The Black Adder". Does anyone remember that really
bad SF "B" movie he was in that I think was a version of Flash Gordon, where
Flash is a football star? Very bad. He was king of the monkey people (yes,
like in Oz). 

I think Mr Blessed would be an excellent Doctor. Tv or movie.

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From: soholt@phakt.usc.edu (Timothy Soholt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Master's Past
Date: 13 Apr 1992 15:08:28 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr13.150620.29995@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> 
aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White) writes:


>Now a question concerning the Master. Does anybody have any theories
>of what happend to the Master between "Frontier In Space" and "The
>Deadly Assassin" that put his body into such a decayed state? It's
>never mentioned in any of the televised stories, but it's something
>I've wondered for a long time.

Mild Spoilers for "Frontier in Space" follow:



The old _DOCTOR WHO: The Roleplaying Game_ (Warning: these are also
the folks who brought you the "The Monk is the Master" concept)
suggests (well, flat-out _says_, actually, but I took everything in
that game with a grain or two million of salt) that the Daleks
caught up with him after "Frontier in Space" and did something
thoroughly vile and nasty to him, from which he barely escaped
with his life.

-- Tim Soholt (soholt@aludra.usc.edu), The Man With No .sig
From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: test
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:20:16 EST
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

-> Testing to see if this one gets out.  RSVP if it does.

 Yes, Dave. Recieved.

-> God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!

 Amen.

Regards,
Dale Clayton
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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: question on master
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:28:16 EST
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Wildcard (wgarmil@cs.ulowell.edu) wrote:
----------------------------------------
-> The actor who played hte orginal Master died right before that
-> episode was filmed.
----------------------
 I didn't see the original post, but if the episode (story) you are
talking about is "The Deadly Assassin", the original Master (Roger
Delgado) was killed several years before this story was even conceived.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

-> Rather than kill the character off, the BBC had someone
-> play that decrepid version.
------------------------------
 With regards to what I said above, it could not have been that way. The
"decrepid version" must have been done with afore thought.

Regards,
Dale Clayton
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From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:52:00 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1992Apr14.205512.2812@news2.cis.umn.edu>
	<1992Apr14.233805.21167@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<29EB7073.1817@noiro.acs.uci.edu>
	<1992Apr15.222346.1937@edsi.plexus.COM>
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Apr15.222346.1937@edsi.plexus.COM> dgh@edsi.plexus.COM (David Hall) writes:

   Is this a 'valid' interpretation of the math?  You tell me.  A
   Mathematician friend of mine tells me 'the math doesn't mean anything',
   but I find it hard to believe that Reality doesn't mean anything, since
   that IS what the math is talking about (in this case).  

I'd go along with your mathematician friend (unsurprising, being an
ex-mathematician myself). The maths doesn't `mean' anything. It merely
describes a model of Reality in which you can make predictions to be
tested against Reality. What you believe about Reality is your own
business (I would add: "as long as it fits with the model". People of
other faiths might not). Note that the model doesn't say "the cat is
alive and dead". It just says what can be the results of observations
you make ("open the box, the cat is alive" vs "open the box, the cat
is dead") what their relative probabilities are, and so on. In this
case, all it is saying is that until you open the box, you can't know
the answer. Not such a big deal after all, perhaps. Since you can't
possibly _observe_ the cat being alive _and_ dead, the model
definitely does _not_ say "the cat is alive and dead". It says "until
you observe the state of the cat, the observations you make will not
give you a clue as to whether the cat is alive or dead", or something
along these lines. MWI deals with this sort of thing very neatly.
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From: B_LUND1@unhh.unh.edu (Marcus Windwalker)
Subject: Re: Question on the Master
Organization: Wallston 'Friends'
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:48:38 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.12

In <1992Apr7.230418.14670@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> sdc54548@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:

| Well you see, the Master was at the end of his 12th regeneration and a Time
| Lord can only regenerate 11 times (actually what happened was the original

	At the end of his 13th _incarnation_ and couldn't regenerate,
because Time Lords can only regenerate _12_ times.  Roger Delgado, the
original Master, did die in a car crash (I think I read that his chauffered
(sp?) limo went off a cliff in Turkey, but I could be wrong...)  Rest is
true as stated (so far as I know...)

| Master died in a car crash so they had to come up with a story that would
| explain his departure from the series until they found a replacement). So
| the story line was that at the end of "Assassin" the Master escaped from 
| Gallifrey and found his way to Traken where in a later story ("The Keeper
| of Traken") he took over a persons body (Nyssa's Father) and was seen for the   first time after "Assassin" in "Logopolis".
| 					LENGTHY BUT NONETHELESS TRUE
|
From: 890045c@aucs.acadiau.ca (Frank Cheeseman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Douglas Adams
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:59:47 GMT
Organization: Acadia University


>We don't know if he died, because some fool a few months ago posted
>"Douglas Adams has terminal cancer," without giving any attribution.

Excuse me.  I posted the article in question.  I am not a fool.
I did not say "Douglas Adams has terminal cancer".  I ASKED if
anyone could confirm or deny whether a statement I had heard to
that effect was in fact true.  Pardon me for being concerned.
I posted the same question to alt.fan.douglas-adams a few weeks
before that, and nobody answered there either.  I guess being a
fan means quoting and buying books, and has nothing to do with
caring whether the individual lives or dies.

Do I sound sarcastic?
No offense is intended, I merely become irritated when 
I am called names for having expressed a concern.


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Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 13:48:56 CET
From: <MATTWOOD@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes
 <1992Apr14.205512.2812@news2.cis.umn.edu>
 <1992Apr15.130714.18840@onetouch.COM> <2253@transfer.stratus.com>

I may be missing something here, but...

 WHAT THE KINNEL HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH rec.arts.tv.uk  ??????



Puzzled.
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From: jerrett@iastate.edu (Gregory A Jerrett)
Subject: Re: Favorite Episode?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 03:25:08 GMT

Mawdryn Undead      Genesis of the Daleks        Battlefield

Greg Jerrett                           
jerrett@iastate.edu



          
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From: cs201139@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs201139)
Subject: Re: Asimov's mystery fiction
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 06:00:08 GMT

>Is anybody else a fan of Asimov's mystery fiction?  I've always
>liked his "Black Widowers" stories.  The mysteries themselves are
>sometimes trivial (though difficult to solve) puzzles, but what I
>like are the intellectual discussions and arguments that go on in
>the club.

I haven't found a fiction novel of his yet that I didn't like. Of course I
could be wrong, but were't even his mystery novels imbedded with some SF?
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:8080 alt.politics.homosexuality:2221 alt.sex:14765
From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Another DAVID EDDINGS Q
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:37:21 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <kaschenb.702853897@sfu.ca> kaschenb@fraser.sfu.ca (Kevin Ernest Aschenbrenner) writes:

>
>Does anyone know the names of the next books in
>the series that began with THE DIAMOND THRONE?
>I remember reading it, and then not seeing the rest
>of the series...are there anymore?  Has he finished
>it yet--or is he going to make us wait like he did
>with the last one.


I believe the series as a whole is called THE ELENIUM, and began with
THE DIAMOND THRONE.

The 2nd and 3rd books are THE RUBY KNIGHT and THE SAPPHIRE ROSE.
#2 is out in paperback, #3 is out in hardback. It took almost a year
for the final books in Eddings' MALLOREAN series to go from hardback
to paperback because he was publishing the THE ELENIUM series at the
same time, and the last MALLOREAN book just came out in paper. I don't
know how much time they like to have between publications of the same
author in paperback, so I wouldn't hold my breath for #3 to make it to 
paperback soon. 



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" 'Eureka' is Greek for 'This bath is too hot'. "
			- Tom Baker / Doctor Who
	Ken Luther
	Naval Research Lab.
	Washington, D.C. 
	luther@v5160.nrl.navy.mil
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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:26:14

In article <29E9A41C.10383@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:

   In <1992Apr13.133700.886@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

   >Bonita Kale writes:

   >	"Rubbers" is a nuisance, since there really is no other word for
   >	what you put on over your shoes, unless you want to get into
   >	"rubber overshoes" and sound weird.  And yet the word has taken
   >	on a distinct sexual tinge.

   >Aha! Here the British can be helpful. Their word -- or one of their words --
   >for these things is galoshes. This is so excellent a word that you should
   >consider importing it. A. A. Milne's son, Christopher Robin (obligatory
   >literary reference) wore them.

   Aha!  One of my favorite words!  I get funny looks (it sounds
   old-fashioned on this side of the Atlantic, I guess), but it sounds
   just right for what it does.  And it even sounds great as a verb (go
   ahead, wince): galoshing through the rain...

   One importer,
   --Cindy
   --
   Cindy Tittle Moore

   Internet: tittle@ics.uci.edu       | BITNET: cltittle@uci.bitnet
   UUCP:     ...!ucbvax!ucivax!tittle | Usnail: PO Box 4188, Irvine CA, 92716

In my childhood usage, rubbers were black, covered the shoe only half
way and were stretched on.  Galoshes were higher, some other color,
had a tongue, were easy to get on and fastened with clasps.  Rubbers
were used for rain and galoshes for snow and slush.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

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From: paul@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Paul Fidler)
Subject: Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE
Keywords: Coke, Pepsi, Mt. Dew, 7Up, Dr. Pepper
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 20:51:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.132743.7505@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale) writes:
>
>Things I learned when I moved from Long Island (New York) to Michigan and
>Ohio:
>
>Soda was pop.  I had to get used to that; if you said soda, you got plain
>soda water. 


Uh, 

What did you expect to get?  Coca Cola?  Mountain Dew?  7Up?  Sprite?

I mean, the variety of carbonated soft drinks/pop/sodas/"cokes" is such
that they are usually specified by trade name, no?

If you said "pop", what did that mean? Any brown-colored cola?



What about root beer?

                                               


                                                     "No Coke--'Pepsi'" SNL
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:56:34 GMT
From: Leroy.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: A about _Gravity's_Rainbow_

mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:

>For Pynchon, "ideas" are a jumping-off point. But he can't reach readers
>who are too timid to take the plunge with him.

     Originally, I was curious why Pynchon was "non-traditional." From the 
replies I've had, it seems to be a manhood thing: the literary equivalent of
bunjee-jumping. 

     Frankly, all these manly insults are a little boring.

--
-- Leroy@socs.uts.edu.au ------------------------- "Mike? I'm extremely excited"
                                                        -- My Own Private Idaho.
From: weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Irrelevant _GR_ question
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:06:02 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)

In article <13APR199223495251@zeus.tamu.edu>, spb0457@zeus (SubGenius) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.060846.6538@u.washington.edu>, tmaddox@milton (Tom Maddox) writes:

>>	But if you want a *really* hard _GR_ reference:  the Kirghiz Light.

>>	I've asked this one in a number of venues, including MLA panels on
>>Pynchon, the Pynchon list, also among various informal gatherings of 
>>Pynchon scholars/loons.  No one has been able to come up with a definitive
>>allusion, explanation, or plausible fiction.

>Never thought that it was that obscure a reference, just ficticious.

>I believe that Pynchon is just using the destruction of the Kirghiz tribal 
>culture by the introduction of a new "official" language to the erstwhile 
>socially isolated tribesmen as another link between Soviet Tchitcherine and
>his Herero flip-side Enzian.  [...]

>The actual Kirghiz Light is unique to _GR_ as near as I know--I've never
>seen any reference to it in anything about Soviet ethnic folklore.  [...]

Before the 30s, there were two people in the area known as the Kirghiz
and the Kara Kirghiz.  They were then renamed the Kazakh and the Kirghiz
respectively.  Now what's interesting is that Kara XXX--I don't know
which language it is--often gets translated as "Black XXX" for various
Central Asian (sub)nationalities.

So I conjecture the following paranoid, and hence plausible, fiction:
there used to be three groups known as Kirghiz: the Kirghiz, the Black
Kirghiz, and the White Kirghiz (aka the Kirghiz Light).  In the 30s, the
Kirghiz became the Kazakhs and the Black Kirghiz became the Kirghiz, and
the White Kirghiz disappeared.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu)
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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: C.S. Lewis (was Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE)
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:03:20 GMT

Bonita Kale writes:

	Francis Muir says:

		This sounds like Lewis. Most Americans (Statesmen?) don't 
		seem to realize just what an assole C. S. Lewis really was. 
		This is a prime example.

	But--but.  He was just great, that's all.  You want to be more 
	precise in your dislike?  Then I could be more precise in my praise.

There were three C S Lewis's. Lewis the First was a Fellow of Magdalen and
Tutor in English from the mid-20's to the mid-50's. During this reign he
wrote his book, the one all academics write, *The Allegory of Love*, which
looks at Romantic Love in the Middle Ages. A harmless enough book, but if 
you have a serious interest in this sort of thing, then much better read 
the scholarly *Eros & Agape* from his Oxford contemporary, the learned 
Jesuit and Master of Campion Hall, Martin D'Arcy. Lewis the Second is the 
Lewis who suffered a conversion not to a religion but to that worn-out,
middle-class social club, the Church of England. It is difficult to explain
the CofE to an American audience, but I don't really have to, since Bernard
Shaw did the whole thing so well many, many years ago. This Lewis II gave
us *The Screwtape Letters*, which purports to be an ironic treatment of the
theme of Salvation. Salvation, of course, according to the CofE. Morality
= Good Behavior. Lewis III was the one who came to believe in his own
nonsense, and for the sons and daughters of the Mr & Mrs Christopher Robins
that were by now floating around he produced *The Chronicles of Narnia*,
the most sickly-sweet and morally offensive series of Children's Books it
has ever been my misfortune to come across. By this time Oxford had had
enough of the joke, and Lewis III skipped across to Cambridge where he
trod once again the academic path as Professor of Medieval & Renaissance
English (they do not know the ae ligature in Cambridge).

Ugh.

						Francis Muir

francis@sep.stanford.edu
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From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald)
Subject: Unbearable Lightness of Being (was Re: Q about _Gravity's_Rainbow_)
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:03:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.055132.19393@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL) writes:
>[Ulysses] belongs to a class of art which remains aloof from the
>reader/audience. It's like Kundera's "Unbearable Lightness .." (only
>in this sense, of course - Ulysses is far more complex)

I must have missed something when I read _Unbearable Lightness..._,
then, since I felt none of the aloofness you mention.  In fact, the
reason that I enjoyed the book was primarily my identification with
the characters and the situations.  My feelings for the structure and
reasoning were secondary, and came later.

Perhaps if I read it again, I'll feel more distant from it.

-David
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From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: Homosexualism
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 20:45:00 GMT
Organization: Charnel House Prod.

zeleny@boucher.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:
: In article <1992Mar30.192631.24571@dante.uucp> 
: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) writes:
: 
: MZ:
: >: If you mean that you have no say in determining your desire, I might agree.
: >: If, on the other hand, you are telling me that you are utterly incapable of
: >: controlling this desire, I must disagree.
: 
: MJ:
: >This is absolutely ludicrous unless you are trying to say that you think
: >someone whose desires go against what so-called society thinks is right
: >should sublimate those desires.  If that's indeed what you're trying to
: >say, then you're simply a bigot.  Clarify, please.
: 
: If that were what I was trying to say, I would have been a democrat; I am
: not, so I wasn't.  There is absolutely no reason why individual moral
: judgment must in any way depend on social consensus.

You're dodging the point.  Let's narrow it down here.  Are you saying
that someone whose desires are what you personally consider to be
immoral should sublimate those desires?  That is indeed what is to
be inferred from your post.

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From: tmaddox@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Irrelevant _GR_ question
Organization: The Evergreen State College, Olympia, Washington
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 06:08:46 GMT

In article <9APR199215440207@zeus.tamu.edu> spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
>Who or what the hell is the "Kenosha Kid"?

	Kenosha, Wisconsin was Orson Welles' birthplace.  _Citizen Kane_
serves as a warped template for much of what has happened to Slothrop, in
particular the theme of a child being sold off to The Powers That Be.

	I'm sure other _GR_ aficionados can add to this.

	But if you want a *really* hard _GR_ reference:  the Kirghiz Light.

	I've asked this one in a number of venues, including MLA panels on
Pynchon, the Pynchon list, also among various informal gatherings of 
Pynchon scholars/loons.  No one has been able to come up with a definitive
allusion, explanation, or plausible fiction.

	Do something good with it, and I'll reward you with an e-song about
bananas or pigs.

	(Ah yes, one more thing:  what's delightful about Yahoo postings
on _GR_ is that lacking in wit themselves, they are yet the cause of it
in others.  Thanks to Joe Green, Matthew Wiener, and Mike Godwin, among 
others, for their postings in this regard.)
-- 
				Tom Maddox
			tmaddox@u.washington.edu
		"Writing is reading and reading is writing."
				A. S. Byatt
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