HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: Once again, please join me
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:39:46 GMT

In article <Bvxnv0.354@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>In article <98227@bu.edu> lix@doc.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>
> [...]
>	Well, actually I raised *two* moral questions and you picked the 
>(relatively) minor one.  :-)  The major question I have been challenging
>is if it is moral to tell lies or half-truths and mislead US public
>for this bill.

  Here I don't see any challenge but a trick -- a presumption.
  How about this: Is it moral to tell lies or half-truths and mislead
  US public against this bill?  This should be equally challenging, if
  any, at least to Eddie.

>[...]

>	I think that a mutual friend of us had once asked a good question:
>"What would you be doing if there had not been 6.4?"

  I would be surprised if anyone could come up with a positive answer to
  this question.  But I do know that I would not be arguing about 6.4 on
  the net if 6.4 massacre had not happened.  And I would be happier, and
  somewhat richer.
 
>	 Eddie

-ping

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Bush's "speech" in St. Louis
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:33:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.155621.12383@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.102921.8086@ac.dal.ca> poppy@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>I think President Bush was refering Gov. Clinton was against his own country
>>in a foreign land when U. S. was at war (though the war is not justified).
>>I don't think these Chinese students here in U. S. would likely be against
>>their homeland when China were at war with a foreign country.
>>
>>BTW, I believe most politicians are of dirty-mind.  It is too naive to ask
>>a politician for a moral issue. 
>
>Can you tell how many overseas Chinese students supported PRC's war with
>Vietnan last time ?
>
This is not a very clear question. As there won't too many Chinese
students in during the war. And when back in China, the war didn't last
very long and the media didn't have too much report about the war. I
thinks not too many people payed too much attention to the war. (Am I
wright?) Another thing is in that time, very very few people would
challenge government decision, or even had doubts about the decision.
Had the war happened today, the response might be different.

Tingli Pan

>Yi-Chieh
From: jinyang@cs.utexas.edu (Jin Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Info on roundtrip tickets to China needed
Date: 7 Oct 1992 00:33:45 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi,

  I am planning to go back China this Christmas. Does anyone know of
any airline or travel agency that has discount roundtrip tickets
(either to Beijing or Shanghai) available now? The rate I am getting
now is around $1400, which looks pretty expensive to me. Any information
is greatly appreciated. Please reply by email at jinyang@cs.utexas.edu.
I will post the best deal to the news group.    

Many thanks.

Jin
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Improve your English
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:12:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <1asug0INNm0l@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu>, yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng) writes:
> Recently I spent some time reading some of the stuff in this news group. I'm
> very disappointed to find that many of our highly educated compatriats cannot
> spell and write English well. Of course, once in a while a spelling error is
> nothing to be alarmed about. But obvious grammatical errors are irritable
> when one reads those paragraphs. I surely expect a lot of people will say
> that grammar is not important as long as the idea is made clear. However,
> I believe that good writing skills are necessary in an environment where
> English is the language of communication. 
> 
> By the way, there is a great deal of junk in the network.

Perhaps, you should change your "compatriats" to "compatriots" or "comrades".

-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ter-Yuan Lee                                                              */
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jkchan@lynx.cat.syr.edu (J. K. Chan)
Subject: Rent in San Fran
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 23:50:53 EDT


I am going to move to San Fran., CA in a month or so.  Could someone
tell me which area is comparatively safe and inexpensive to live over there?  
Especially in or near Hercules which is northeast to Richmond.
Any advice or suggestion is appreciated.
  
Please send email to the above address.
Thanks.
-Jim 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: SURVEY -- who do you hope wins the U.S. election?
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:19:14 GMT

In article <Bw2so5.KsG@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>In article <Bw2quu.9wr@acsu.buffalo.edu> chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang) writes:
>>matloff@mole.Berkeley.EDU (Norman Matloff) writes:
>>>**************************************************************************
>>>		 SURVEY   SURVEY   SURVEY   SURVEY
>>>**************************************************************************
>>
>>Interesting, would Mr. Matloff be so kind as telling us the purpose 
>>of this survey? After all, our opinion would have absolutly no impact
>>at all on the outcome of this election. Why would you need such meaningless
>>information?
>
>	Since you were not the only one who had asked...  Why?  Could simply
>collecting some data be the purpose of a survey?

  Collecting some data just to take up some disk space?

>                                                  Norm has said that he
>will post statistics from this survey later, isn't it enough?

  Enough for me (I have no intention to enter the survey), though
  I don't think it's the only purpose.

>                                                               Frankly,
>I would be much more hesitate to answer a survey if it is done by some
>one with certain purpose.

  Can't image a survey with no purpose.

>                          In that case, the sampling space will be
>more likely to be biased.

  Out of logic here, unless the surveyer WANTS a biased conclusion.

>	If you don't trust Norm, why not doing a survey yourself as an
>independent check?

  The alternative is not to enter the survey, and to dismiss the result.

>	Or is it that only people who hold politically correct opinions
>have the right to do a survey?

  You are not implying Norm does not hold politically correct opinions,
  though?

>    Eddie

-ping
From: xiaofei@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Subject: Da4 Zha4 Lan2 and Guang1 Zha4
Organization: UB
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:53:26 GMT

Hi, The place in Beijing is spelled as below: 

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 #           #    # #   # #  #    # # #  #  # # 
#             #   #    ##   ##    # ##   #   #  

And it is pronounced as da4 zha4 lan2, meaning big fence. 

The zha4 is the same as in guang1 zha4, which is used in optics. 

       #          #             
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From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 7 Oct 1992 21:36:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

>In article <1992Oct7.145801.10755@news.acns.nwu.edu> (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct7.055241.9170@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> (Chang-ning Qu) writes: 

>>>>I am not a ultra-rightist. Why bother to burn the temple down? It is a good  
>>>>place to suck tourists' money. It is also a place to ask people like Steve  
>>>>to pay 3 times as much as a Chinese does. Why should we burn it down? Only  

Sounded like Chinese are equal opportunity. My passport says that I was born in
China. Does that mean I am a Chinese?
When I saw those broken pieces in Yuan-ming Yuan, my feeling was so bad. Then
when I saw many tourist sopts were broken by GO-TO-HELL "RED GUARD", my emotion
started and got so mad. What kind of people will destruct temples, treasures,
everything was left over thousands years (there is no way to fix them)?
Even in the forbidden city, there are many treasures, stones were damaged.
The valuable cloud-dragon sculptures at the step way to Tai-ho Mem and Tai-ho
Dian were broken into several pices. What a shame! And you konw, at the broken
sculptures, the CCP posted a sign: protect the sculptures. Ha! great joke!

:-) I wish Chien Long can come back alive to punish whoever deserves to be
punished, take them out of Wu Mem and XX.:-)

>>>>stupid ultra-rightists will probably do this. To me, Temple of Yue Fei is as  
>>>      I just wonder if Mr. Lin has really interests 
>>>      in going and seeing Yue Fei's Temple. 
>>
If the mentioned temple is in Xi-hu, I had been there. One thing I don't feel
the same is:
Qin Kuai was deserved to be punished, but not his wife. It seems to me no point
to make a nude woman there with her quilty husband. It exposes the bad part of
Chinese culture, as Mao did, kill the enemy and beat the deads.

After visited Yue Wang Miao, I seem to understand how Yue Fei felt, so as 
Chiang. He was more frustrated when several attemps to attack mainland were
stopped by his friend (:-)). 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: tying@mitre.org (Tin Yau Ying)
Subject: Need Info on Transfer Money to China
Organization: MITRE Corp
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:17:06 GMT

I want to send some money to a relative in China.  I know I can send a
personal check but it takes forever to get it clear in China.  Is there
better way to do this?  Something like Western Union for international
money transfer or do it through some banks or other. 

I am in the Boston area.  So I would prefer to deal with banks/others that 
is in the Boston area as well.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Tin Yau Ying

Standard disclaimer applies here.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rshu@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (shu ruiqi)
Subject: Re: Greencard, Prediction, and 9201 action
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:01:44 GMT

>
>          I am writing this message for a historical record.  I
>          repeat, I, Tu Ya the scientific predictor, instead of
>          Shannon the gao1 yao4 seller, greatly, gloriously, and
>          correctly predicted the future.
>
Wow, this could hardly make a historical joke.

>          Cheers.
>
Yes, cheers.

Z.Zhang at Urbana
From: yli@engr.latech.edu (Yueming Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: X11
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:35:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: engr.1992Oct14.033500.26006
Reply-To: yli@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University

Sorry I don`t know either
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gretchen@yap.las.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Improve your English
Organization: Speech Comm, University of Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:34:43 GMT

In article <liqiang.718476250@kramden> liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li) writes:

>yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng) writes:

>>Recently I spent some time reading some of the stuff in this news group. I'm
>>very disappointed to find that many of our highly educated compatriats cannot
>>spell and write English well. Of course, once in a while a spelling error is
>>nothing to be alarmed about. But obvious grammatical errors are irritable
>>when one reads those paragraphs. I surely expect a lot of people will say
>>that grammar is not important as long as the idea is made clear. However,
>>I believe that good writing skills are necessary in an environment where
>>English is the language of communication. 

>>By the way, there is a great deal of junk in the network.

>My opinion is English is English - it's just like any other language. One 
>should concentrate on getting the ideas thru and skills could be developed 
>gradually.
> 
>I visited Shanghai's English Corner this summer. Interesting enough, I
>met some old city slickers who had spent their whole lives "improving" their
>English. It sounded to me that their most thrilling moments were the
>occasions that they seemed to have bogged down a grammatical trick - usu 
>a minor "improvement" of their old ways. They must have thought that
>one has to learn millions of such tricks before one's English could be
>respected.

>Sometimes it's not really SUCH a long way to go.

>- Li, Qiang



I agree with you.  We are Chinese, and this is a place to discuss our
ideas about China and Chinese.  It is not a English class. We have enough
stress in our life here in a foreign country, and I really hate being
judged according to American standards all the time. Let's have a
break. relax. it is the ideas we exchange here. 

- Qinghui
 Speech Communication Department
 University of Illinois
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Subject: Re: 9 Cai
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:06:14 GMT

In article <Bvu03s.2oA@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.181937.6974@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
>> -| |-
>> -| |-
>> -| |-
>>-------
>>9 Cai4 (see above Chinese character) is very common vegetable.  I have two
>>ways to cook it (see list below).  Could anyone add this list for me.
>>Thanx.
>>
>>1) stir fry with Dou4Fu3Gan.
>>2) stir fry with
>>squid.
>
>My 2 cents,
>3) Stir fry with sliced beef. (got to be real chinese 9 Cai.
>
>Tingli Pan

    I prefer dumblings with 9 cai-shrimp mixing some pork
    meat (adding a bit of "wei4 er su4"-MSG?). Boiling them
    three times (no more, otherwise, you could only He1 Zhou1 Le
    --"enjoy" your mushed & sticky soup.) That is a kind of
    #1 northern Chinese food. In my city, there is no 9 cai
    available in the stores. Houston has China town, you could
    buy fresh-greened 9 cai. But to me, it is several hundred
    miles away. So I only made two times 9 cai dumbling in two
    years. I really miss you, 9 cai dumbling! Someone ever
    plan to be an American farmer(let's use the name "owner of
    farm" or "boss of a ranch", may more alluring)? If you
    planting 9 cai, it's guarantteed having good future. So
    many Chinese here, and most of them like 9 cai. Ok, stop,
    I feel more hungry now when recalling those delicious 
    Chinese food.
   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: icmgr090@Eagle.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: who knows MATLAB
Reply-To: icmgr090@Eagle.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: MSU
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:40:02 GMT

I'm a new graduate student in Dept.of Chem.Engr.,In my Maths class,we use a lot
of MATLAB,but I know nothing about it.Who used it before?Can you help me?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27478 soc.culture.taiwan:14238 soc.culture.hongkong:12266
From: qh100@cus.cam.ac.uk (Q. Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Miss Zhang Yinjun
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:45:45 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

My friend Wei Chen wants to find his friend Zhang Yinjun. She graduated
from Huazhong University of Science and Technology and went to US
in 1991 from Nanjing. She is probably in Utah University studying
physics. Anyone know her please ask her to contact Wei Chen at wc1@eng.cam.ac.uk.
Wei Chen also wants to contact any other friends from Huazhong.


Thankx.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Resopnse to txa95@iastate (Response to Shannon Yeh)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:21:11 GMT

In article <Bw0zKL.CHF@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ling@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Gary  
LING) writes:
> In article <Bw0uB5.Fov@news.iastate.edu> txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
> >
> >Do you really think those talents who go to Harvard, MIT, Stanford, ... as
> >young faculties need this PROTECTION bill to protect them from CG? The
> >university willl sponsor them to apply for green card anyway. They do not
> >need this bill at all(Well, some may need it to save $4000 of lawyer fee
> >and I could be wrong). They can stay in the US as long as they like.  
Actually,
> >getting a green card does not need such talent at all. 1/10 is enough.
> >Those who yelled loudly that they need this bill, those who prayed god to
> >bless them by having this bill passed, are just uncompetent cowards without
> >confidence in themselves. They are opportunist. They do not know how to 
> >benefit themselves through moral and justified means.
> >
> >My advice to you: while you are refuting Shannon's mad words, try to make
> >some sense and show us your intelligence. Otherwise, just keep quiet.
> 
> What is wrong if the bill just benifits the ordinary CSS?
> And no doubt about that, those people who have worked hard to push the bill
> into law are very unselfish , and intelligent, if not talented by your
> definition. :-)
> The fact is, no matter this bill was passed or not, the majority of CSS are
> gonna stay here for the time being. The bill/law simply makes life easier
> for many of us CSS. 
> From you posting, I feel like one thing is missing. That is LOVE, love to
> your fellow CSS. I am sorry, but I have to say this.
> 
> -GL

In fact, this is a special kind of LOVE Shannon has towards fellow CSS (or as  
he prefer, "blood carders"). Don't forget, Shannon is a very kind man that wish  
others to have better lives. He just want to define "better lives" for his  
fellow CSS.

Carl
From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Learn from Lei Feng
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:13:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvu0u2.Iz8
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU

In article <BvtD3F.MpH@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>	(There will be my teacher if three persons walk together. -- better
>	translation is welcome. "Ren1" might be "Ren2")
>	Perfect. This is what a Chinese needs. I like it very much. It is
>	part of Chinese traditional value system.
>
>[The trouble with CCP was to destroy tranditional value system, ....
>And it made a no-value-society ....]
>
>	Destroying traditional value system is not good, 
>	here someone is doing so:
>
>
>	Good-doing IS part of our traditional value system, isn't it?
>	Anyone can hold any political points of view. Having different
>	political points of view does not change the fact that good-doing
>	is good. 

   Yes, good-doing is good, but force someone to be good is bad. 
>
>	I do not laugh at anyone. So I do not understand why some persons
>	keep laughing at Lei Feng, Yue Fei, and even all Chinese people.
>	It is not funny at all. Nobody get respected or smart looking 
>	by laughing at others. 
>
>	According to Chinese tradition, attacking or laughing at persons
>	doing good is Zao4 Nie4 (doing evil). I am sure many CSS learnt
>	this when they were very young.

   I think most of the people dislike Lei Feng or the figure of him created
by the leaders of CCP, is not toward Lei Feng himself.  Personally, I 
feel Lei Feng might be a very kind person.  But to like or love a person,
you have to know him well, which we can't do in this case because of the 
propaganda by CCP.  

>	If the disagreement toward Lei Feng comes from political bias, 
>	just as what have been mentioned earlier, it is not necessary.
>	I think we should have a common ground: good-doing is good.
>
   Lei Feng is not a person in my mind.  It is a card played by
the CCP leaders, to force people to do voluntory work.
From: yl0d@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (YONGMIN LI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: looking for Zhang Da Gang
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:48:53 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I am looking for my friend Zhang Da Gang,
who came from Xian Institute of Metallurgy  and Construction Engineering
Any one knows him, please let me know.
Li, Yong Min
(215)974-9735
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: *-*-*-*  Yeh  Shannon  is a spy of CCP government !!! *-*-*
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:57:50 GMT

In article <Bw2ttG.Aw5@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> aguo@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu  
(aihua guo) writes:
> In article <81331@ut-emx.uucp> ast@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Abraham Shen Tong)  
writes:
> >
> >
> >Dear netters:
> >
> > I found out this BIG news after I had read Yeh Shannon's messages all
> >
> >over the network,  and the things he is doing.
> >
> >Isn't this great!!
> >
> >Abraham S. Tong
> >
> >Austin,  TX
> >
> It is great! But do not you think it is so easy just by reading people's
> postings on this net to say a person is a spy or something? I do not 
> think anybody has this capability.
> 
> Nowadays, it is kinda fashion to slur anybody else is CCP's spy or agent if 
> somebody does not agree with that person. But in so doing, the attacker
> first put him (or her)self to the loser's position. Since he or she can not
> find a sound reasoning to argue with, then the next thing he or she can 
> do is only this. I will say this kinda attack is meaningless, stupid (of
> IQ 80) and coward.
> 
> 

Well, to you, it might be an insult if someone accused you of being a CCP spy.  
But, to someone like Shannon, it is an honor and compliment. In fact, your post  
may make him feel bad because you are stating that being a CCP spy is low. 

I think you would oppose war among Chinese people. So, you would feel angry if  
someone blindly accuses you of promoting war. However, Shannon is the one who  
promote great war among Chinese (I am not kidding. He posted one article in his  
Chinese characters urging Chinese to fight thoroughly to resolve the problems  
among mainlander and people in Taiwan.) So, your standard may be completely  
different from Shannon's. 

Therefore, your help is meaningless, not-so-clever, not-so-brave and too  
cynical. In fact, your cynic might greatly damage the self-esteem of a great  
man like Shannon. So, give you an advise, if you want to help someone like  
Shannon, first make sure what he needs. Otherwise, you are kindly slapping his  
face.

Carl
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