From: ahsan@turtle.ecn.purdue.edu (Ahsan Ale-Rasool)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Mr.Noor has no answers. ( Or has he accepted defeat? )
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:55:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: noose.1992Apr16.235535.11022
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

MR. NOOR 
        It has been more than one week since I posted this letter and still
you have not replied. You did not answer my questions earlier too.

EITHER YOU DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWERS OR YOU DON'T HAVE THE GUTS TO ANSWER.

Mr. Noor ,
             You are giving references from other sources about the
interpretation of "Khatam". How about the interpretation of your very own 
leader Mirza Ghulam Qadiani? Following are the beliefs of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani
as quoted by Mr. Arshad Hussain. He has given references of his writings e.t.c.
Could you please explain what's going on? I think it is very bad on your part
if you have accused him of claiming himself to be a prophet when he did not.
(Assuming that the following references are true). Do you think Mr. Arshad
Hussain has misquoted him?


  Please do not try to find excuses for not answering my questions again.



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%  He was the TRUE believer of Final Prophethood of Holy prophet 
%  Muhammad(PBUH).
%  Here are some of his own words.
%
%  1.   He quotes the Khatam an-nabiyyin verse of the Quran (33:40), and
%       translates it into Urdu as follows:
%
%       "That is to say, Muhammad is not the father of any man from among
%       you, but he is the Messenger of Allah, and the one to end the
%       prophets. This verse also clearly argues that, after our Holy
%       Prophet, no messenger shall come into the world." (Izala Auham,
%       p. 614)
% 
%       His Urdu words are: aur nabiun ko khatam karnay wala (and the one to end
%  the prophets).
%
%  2.   Again, quoting the Khatam an-nabiyyin verse, he writes in an
%       Arabic book: "Do you not know that the Merciful God has declared
%       our Holy Prophet to be the Khatam al-anbiya UNCONDITIONALLY, and
%       our Holy Prophet has explained this in his words: There is no
%       prophet after me." (Hamamat al-Bushra, p. 81-82)
%  
%  3.   "The Holy Prophet had repeatedly said that no prophet would come
%       after him, and the hadith `There is no prophet after me' was so
%       well-known that no one had any doubt about its authenticity. And
%       the Holy Quran, every word of which is binding, in its verse `he
%       is the Messenger of Allah and the Khatam an-nabiyyin', confirmed
%       that prophethood has in fact ended with our Holy Prophet." (Kitab
%       al-Barriyya, p. 184)
%
%  4.   "In brief, God by naming the Holy Prophet as Khatam an-nabiyyin
%       in the Quran, and the Holy Prophet himself by saying `There is no
%       prophet after me' in Hadith, had settled the matter that no
%       prophet can come after the Holy Prophet, in terms of the real
%       meaning of prophethood." (ibid., p. 185, footnote)
%
%  5.   "I firmly believe that our Holy Prophet Muhammad is the Khatam
%       al-anbiya, and after him no prophet shall come for this Muslim
%       people, neither new nor old." (Nishan Asmani, p. 28)
%  
%  6.   "The actual fact, to which I testify with the highest testimony,
%       is that our Holy Prophet is the Khatam al-anbiya, and after him
%       no prophet will come, neither an old one nor a new one."
%       (Anjam Atham, p. 27, footnote)
%  
%  7.   "The fact that our Holy Prophet is the Khatam al-anbiya also
%       requires the death of Jesus because if another prophet comes
%       after him, he cannot remain the Khatam al-anbiya ... The return
%       of Jesus is not mentioned anywhere in the Holy Quran, but THE
%       ENDING OF PROPHETHOOD IS MENTIONED PERFECTLY CLEARLY. To make a
%       distinction between the coming of an old prophet [i.e. Jesus] and
%       a new prophet is mischievous. Neither the Hadith nor the Quran
%       make such a distinction, and the negation contained in the hadith
%       report `There is no prophet after me' is TOTAL. What audacity,
%       boldness and insolence it is to depart from the clear meaning of
%       the Quran, in pursuit of one's feeble conjectures, and believe in
%       the coming of a prophet after the Khatam al-anbiya! (Ayyam
%       as-Sulh, p. 146)
%  
%  8.   "By saying `There is no prophet after me', the Holy Prophet
%       Muhammad closed the door absolutely to any new prophet or the
%       return of any old prophet." (Ayyam as-Sulh, p. 152)
% 
%  These references are quoted from Zahid Aziz's letter he wrote on the
%  net.
%




NOW WHAT DO YOU SAY MR.NOOR? EVEN  MR. MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD QADIANI BELIEVES THAT
THERE WILL BE NO PROPHET AFTER MUHAMMAD (P.B.U.H) AND THAT KHAATIM MEANS FINAL
AND LAST. (Look at pt # 5 and pt # 8 again)


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                                                          AHSAN ALE-RASOOL