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From: dannya@ESD.3Com.COM (Danny Alvendia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Advice requested on what to see/do in Philippines
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:00:58 GMT
Organization: 3Com Corporation

In article <1993Jan20.232920.8097@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> hhs@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Sweetleaf) writes:
>
>Hello!
>
>I'm about to leave for the Philippines for a month on business and
>I was hoping some of you s.c.f folk could give me some advice on 
>what to see/do while I'm there.  I'm planning on taking at least 
>a week of vacation time while I'm there after I'm done with my work.
>I've bought a couple of travel books but travel books are never as
>good as advice from people who have lived there.  So far I'm thinking
>of possibly visiting the following (I'll be working in Makati):
>
>* Lake Taal (and volcano)
>* Baguio (I hear the rice terraces are very impressive)
>* I'm thinking of climbing Mt. Pulog
>* Hundred Islands
>* Puerto Galera
>* Boracay
>* Chocolate Hills
>
>For information, I'm a 27 year old male (American).  I'm not too
>interested in real "touristy" places, and as a result I'm thinking
>that Hundred Islands, etc. might not be for me.  I'm basically 
>interested in finding the best places to backpack (scenic beauty,
>e.g. mountains, waterfalls, etc.), as well as good snorkelling
>sites (I don't have a scuba license).
>
>I get the feeling from some of the postings I've seen that it might
>not be very safe for me to travel to some southern areas (Basilan,
>Sulu).  Should I feel safe travelling to Mindanao?  Palawan?
>
>Any suggestions/advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Howard
 ^^^^^^
>hs@homxb.att.com
^^^^^^>
>-- 
>************* Sweetleaf *************
>********* hs@homxb.att.com ***************    

 Hmmm.... are you Howard Stern? :-) If you are, then by all means, Sulu and Jolo would be a very nice vacation spot for you.

 Seriously though, I have heard that Palawan is safe but Mindanao may
 just be a little bit scary. 

 /Danny
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Kidnapped Nun to be Released
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:47:12 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- Muslim kidnappers have assured
authorities they will soon release the older of two Spanish Catholic
nuns they abducted 10 days ago, the armed forces chief said Wednesday.
	Gen. Lisandro Abadia said, however, there was no word if the younger
nun would also be freed following news reports one of the abductors
wanted to marry her.
	Carmelite Sisters Julia Foraster, 63, and Fatima Orebaren, 38, were
snatched Sept. 17 by Muslim gunmen while picnicking on a beach in the
island province of Sulu, 600 miles south of Manila.
	News reports said the kidnappers demanded an $80,000 ransom, but
Abadia did not say if any money was paid. The government and Church
officials have maintained a policy of not paying ransom.
	Abadia said the Philippine Navy has blocked all possible exit points
in the province after the kidnappers threatened to slip the nuns out of
Sulu if their demand was not met by Wednesday.
	``The kidnappers have already assured us they will release the old
nun. I am told maybe today or tomorrow,'' Abadia said. ``The young one
is a little problematic because there are unconfirmed reports that one
of the kidnappers would like to marry the young nun.''
	Abadia said he was ``optimistic that eventually both of them will be
released.'' He added reports to his office show the two nuns were safe
and unharmed.
	Dozens of armed groups, mostly bandits and pirates, roam the southern
Philippines, where the country's Muslim minority has fought a bloody war
for independence since the 1970s.
	The rebellion has been largely crushed and many of the guerrillas
have turned to banditry and kidnapping for a living. Most of the kidnap
victims are wealthy ethnic Chinese businessmen and foreign missionaries
working in poor, remote villages.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: R11334@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Cycle-Time-Sys Sh-Shuy)
Subject: FIL-AMS
Organization: Motorola
Date: 21 Jan 1993 01:07:52 MST

Here's an interesting article I saw on the paper today.  Some portions have
been deleted:

STANFORD, California - To talk about Filipino culture is to painstakingly
wring out details of a complicated society where traditions are closely
linked with a Spanish colonial heritage and whose popular culture is
unmistakably American influenced.

One would think that there is no Filipino culture to speak of, in the first
place.  This is the reason they have earned the monicker 'brown Americans'.
Filipinos are so exposed to American culture that culture shock ranges from
negligible to zero when they come to the United States.

For most Filipino-American students in Stanford University who grew up
here, the so-called problem of "cultural identity" among children of
immigrants has been resolved.  Or it never existed at all.

They consider themselves Americans.  "I am an ethnic American and being of
an ethnic minority is a facet of my being an American," declared Julius
Paras, president of Pilipino-American Student Union based at Stanford.  "I
am more American than I am Filipino."  "I am definitely more American than
Filipino," said Laurie Anne Dee, a sophomore in Florida.  "I know my
lifestyle is different from my cousins in the Philippines.  I have accepted
that I am an American."  Paras, however, said he knows he will never
realize the ultimate American dream - to become President of the United
States -because he was not born here.

Filipino-Americans consider themselves Americans but they do not totally
belong to the country as Americans do.  They cannot consider themselves
Filipinos because their only link to the Philippines are their parents, who
in fact did not encourage them to talk and act Filipino.  They know that in
the Philippines, the only thing they have in common with the people,
including members of their extended families, is the color of their skin.

Paras said the cultural framework of Filipino-Americans is something that
will always crop up, notwithstanding the fact that they consider themselves
Americans.  "There will really be no complete resolution," he said.
"Throughout our lives, we will be faced with this question."

[end of article]

Nice, huh ?  How about changing the name of this newsgroup to
SOC.CONFUSED.FILIPINOS ?  or maybe REC.TRAVEL.PI  (as in "pee-eye").  After
all, vacations, travel and tourist spots are favorite topics.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: an3892@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Taiwanese Consortium to Develop Part of Subic
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.filipino
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:53:04 GMT

        MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- A Taiwanese consortium will begin in
early March a $60 million project to develop part of the former U.S.
naval base at Subic Bay into a light industrial park, a senior base
official said Friday.
        The 750-acre park is the anchor of a Philippine plan to transform the
sprawling former military base into a Hong Kong-style free port.
        Richard Gordon, head of the Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority (SBMA),
said the project would bring in some 700 Taiwanese companies and create
about 160,000 jobs for Filipinos.
        About 40,000 on-base workers were left jobless by the U.S. pullout
from Subic in November. Manila had refused to renew the American lease
on the base.
        ``By the first week of March...a delegation from Taiwan will come
here to survey the buildings and begin mobilization of construction of
factories,'' he told reporters on the final day of a three-day visit by
members of the delegation.

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From: 3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Elliott Parker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Sex tourism in SEA (fwd) (forwarded from SEASIA-L)
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:10:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: noc2.9301260510.AA26160
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Below is a forwarded msg.  If you can offer any info, please
respond directly to Bender, not SEASIA-L.

========================================================================
Elliott Parker                   Bitnet: 3ZLUFUR@CMUVM
List Owner, SEASIA-L and CARR-L  Internet: 3zlufur@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
Department of Journalism         Less certain possibilities:
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Office tele: +1 (517) 774-3196     The WELL: eparker@well.sf.ca.us


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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:53:29 -0400
Reply-To:     Sandra Bender u <bend7366@MACH1.WLU.CA>
              <DEVEL-L@AUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Sex Tourism in Thailand

Does anyone out there have any suggestion where I might find some primary
research done on the sex tourism situation in Thailand or the
Phillippines. I'm doing research on the invisibilization of women in the
world economy and would very much like to do a case study on the sex trade
industry in south asia. I'm finding it difficult to locate people
knowledgeable on the topic and it has been extremely difficult to find any
research or individuals with access to data on the amount earned from this
industry, number of girls, etc.

thanks

sandra bender
bend7366@mach1.wlu.ca
(519) 886-0703
Waterloo, Ontario
CANADA
From: randrada@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Rey Andrada)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: another joke
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:07:58 GMT
Reply-To: randrada@pyrtech.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Rey Andrada)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation


      Here's an old old joke....



     Bakit itinayo ang statwa ni Jose Rizal sa Luneta....


    


     Sirit na....










     pangit kasi pag nakahiga...










and here's a MAKIBAKA joke in between teach in...




      what's the similarity between Imelda's legs and butter..?








sirit na....




they both taste good when spread (I know the butter tastes good I'm not
sure about Imelda's legs though---disclaimer)..





rey
From: bernal@spss.com (Raoul Bernal)
Subject: Re: FIL-AMS
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:41:41 GMT

rayr@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Tribe Of Quest [INFPMBTI]) writes:

>Ah...couldn't keep quiet either.  Actually, I was going to post 
>something about this subject but couldn't bring it up.  Here goes:

>In article <1993Jan21.080737.6533@schbbs.mot.com>, 
>R11334@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Cycle-Time-Sys Sh-Shuy) writes:
>> linked with a Spanish colonial heritage and whose popular culture is
>> unmistakably American influenced.
>> One would think that there is no Filipino culture to speak of, in the first
>> place.  This is the reason they have earned the monicker 'brown Americans'.

Could somebody repost this newspaper article?  I seem to have missed it.
Better yet, could somebody e-mail it to me?  Thanks a lot....

-Raoul
====================================================================
The opinions expressed are those of the author and not of SPSS, Inc.
bernal@spss.com                                 Phone:(312)329-3370
Raoul A. Bernal                                 FAX  :(312)329-3657
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: ERIKB@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Cont'd - PLDT Monopoly
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 09:49:23 EST

In article <1jsk87$hlk@agate.berkeley.edu>
tito@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tito Domine) writes:
 
>
>	In Article 7826 of soc.culture.filipino:
><samk@microsoft.com (Sam Kho) > writes :
>
>>>	That is why you can't install a phone in the Phils that is not
>>>PLDT's (i.e Siemens).
>>>	At&T has virtuallyo presence in this industry. It is easily
>>>worth about half a billion dollars a year.
>>>	Ramos is certainly closer to the US industrial complex than to
>>>Germany's.
>>>	Could it be that this is AT&T's bid, through Ramos, to break
>>>Siemen's hold on the Phil telephone market ?
>>>	Interesting speculation....
>>>
>>>tito
>>>
>
>>even IF it is AT&T's bid, competition between 2 firms is still better than
>>non-competition among one.
>
>> - sam -
The real winner may be a British company named Cable&Wireless.  This company
is the second largest LD service in Britain and it owns most of the Hong Kong
Telephone and a number of other phone companies in former British colonies and
elsewhere.  They also are major partners in the other Phil. LD company (I
can't remember the name, but you can use it to call the US).  It always seems
to me that AT&T and PLDT cooperate quite closely-- PLDT advertises 105-11 (the
AT&T Call USA direct) on TV and the booths are inthe major PLDT offices in MM.
I really doubt that AT&T would set up its own phone network in the RP-- its
not their style.
 
Anyway, so what if there are several LD companies in the Philippines?  It wont
improve the number of lines since these are provided by the local telephone
exchanges.  And guess who owns the exchanges!  I have friends who have waited
10 years for a phone number with no luck.  This should be the primary concern
of the government.
 
Erik Bloom
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: panis@novell.com (Robert Panis)
Subject: jokes anyone?
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:00:01 GMT

Here are some jokes that i'd like to share.

read on.


joke #1: how many bureaucrats does it take to screw a light bulb?
 ans:   2. one to screw it in and another to screw it up.

joke #2: If two's company, and three's a crowd, what are four and five?
 ans:   Nine, stupid.

joke #3: Why do elephants have trunks?
 ans:   Because they don't have glove compartments (corny! NOT!)

joke #4: What do you get when you cross an elephant with a prostitute?
 ans:   A two-ton pickup.

					source: TRULY TASTELESS JOKES VIII.

more later (I'll finish reading the book first).

RP

Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: rick@agate.bellcore.com (Rick V. Martija)
Subject: Re: Mahal na mahal kita
Reply-To: rick@gamma.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:09:11 GMT
Originator: rick@agate


In article <1jq57mINNdme@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, jfunson@Corp.Sun.COM (John Francis S. Unson) writes:
[stuff deleted]
|> ...  Remember, things change.  For example thank
|> you in Malay is spelled "selemat" whereas its "salamat" in english.
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And I thought it was thank you :-)

Rick
rick@gamma.bellcore.com
-- 

rick@agate.bellcore.com
From: randrada@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Rey Andrada)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Exchange rate?
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:58:00 GMT
Reply-To: randrada@pyrtech.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Rey Andrada)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

>
>
>       I've read in the newspapers that the peso is 25 to a dollar.  Wasn't it
>just 30 something to 1 dollar a while ago.  If so,  Why did it go down a by a
>lot?
>
>       I also read that the Taiwanese dollar is 1 to .99 peso.  This means
>the peso is higher, right?  If this is so, then why is Taiwan's economy so much
>better than ours.
>
>       Any economic majors who want to enlighten me on this?
>
>       Thanks...

      im not an economic major but the exchange rate is not a good indicator
whether an economy is good or bad. look at Japan their exchange rate to the
US dollar is much higher than the Philippine Peso (i'm not sure how much)
but their economy is definitely better than that of the PI. If you lower the
value of peso against the dollar it means that product coming out of the PI
will be cheaper (thus creating more jobs ??).



   rey
From: labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com (Joel Labson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Joke Time
Keywords: buti pa siya
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:21:59 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.



Hi all english language experts???? Please Translate this in
English!!!!This could be worth $$$$ in English!!!!!!!E-mail if you're
shy....Post if you dare!!!




************************************************************************
*********
|> 	Thoughts on Valentine's Day
|> 
|> 		Buti Pa Siya
|> 
|> Buti pa ang Kalendaryo, may date....
|> Buti pa ang Hersey's, may kisses
|> Buti pa ang Probability may chances...
|> 	...yung ibang tao, Wala....
|> 
|> Buti pa ang Exam's, sinasagot...
|> Buti pa ang Film, nade-develop...
|> Buti pa ang Hininga, hinahabol...
|> 	...yung ibang tao, Hindi.
|> 
|> Buti pa ang Assignment, naiuuwi...
|> Buti pa ang Baso, nadadampian ng labi...
|> Buti pa ang Unan, katabi at kaakap sa gabi...
|> 	...yung ibang tao, Hindi.
|> 
|> Buti pa ang Telepono, hini-"hello"-wan...
|> Buti pa ang Typewriter, nata-type-pan...
|> Buti pa ang Salamin, minamasdan...
|> 	...yung ibang tao, Hindi.
|> 
|> Buti pa ang Panyo, iniiyakan...
|> Buti pa ang Sugat, iniingatan at inaalagan...
|> Buti pa ang Awit at Tugtog, magkasama...
|> 	...yung ibang tao, Hindi.
|> 
|> Buti pa ang Tindera, nagpapatawad....
|> Buti pa ang Kamalian, pinapansin...
|> Buti pa ang Problema, lagin iniisip...
|> 	...yung ibang tao, Hindi.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> Buti pa ang Bra, sinusuportahan ka...
|> Buti pa ang Panty, sa iyo nakadampi
|> Buti pa ang Kotex, sa iyo ay naiipon...
|> 	...yung ibang tao, Hindi.
|> 
|> Buti pa ang Susi, naipapasok...
|> Buti pa ang Bola, nilalaro...
|> Buti pa ang Itlog, binabati...
|> 	...yung ibang tao, Hindi.
|> 
|> Buti pa ang Tela, inihimas...
|> Buti pa ang Yelo, pinatitigas...
|> Buti pa ang Sobre, dinidilaan...
|> 	...bakit sa akin, Hindi.
|> ---------------------------------------------------
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: MNLF Denies Holding Nuns
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:29:21 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- Muslim separatist rebels denied Thursday
they were involved in the kidnapping 11 days ago of two Spanish Catholic
nuns in the southern Philippines.
	Officials, however, appealed to the guerrillas to use their influence
on the abductors to secure the freedom of the Carmelite sisters who
worked at a leper colony.
	They were kidnapped Jan. 17 by Muslim gunmen while picnicking on a
beach near their monastery in Jolo town, Sulu province, 600 miles south
of Manila.
	Yusup Jikiri, who identified himself as a general of the secessionist
Moro National Liberation Front, wrote to Interior and Local Governments
Secretary Rafael Alunan Thursday denying the rebels were involved in the
kidnapping.
	``As a matter of policy, the MNLF does not tolerate kidnapping as it
runs counter to our religious belief,'' Jikiri said. ``The kidnappers do
not belong to the MNLF and are not under its control.''
	A Marine general Sunday linked separatist guerrillas to the
kidnapping, saying that the abductors were hiding in an area controlled
by the MNLF, the largest of three factions battling for Muslim
independence in the southern island of Mindanao.
	The military said the kidnappers are former MNLF rebels who have
turned to banditry for a living after the rebellion was largely
defeated. Some military officials believe the bandits still maintain
ties with their former comrades.
	President Fidel Ramos has offered to hold peace talks with the
country's three main insurgent groups, including the Muslim separatists.
	``For humanitarian reasons, exert your moral influence on the
kidnappers to release the victims unharmed as soon as possible,'' Alunan
wrote Jikiri. ``The religious sisters are...frail, harmless female non-
combatants who are just trying to serve humanity.''
	The kidnappers have demanded a $80,000 ransom. The Church has
rejected the demand.
	Armed forces chief Gen. Lisandro Abadia said Wednesday the kidnappers
have promised to free the older nun, who is 65 and is believed to be
ill. But Church spokesmen said they have no word on the release.
	The Most Rev. Benjamin de Jesus, bishop of Sulu, told reporters
Thursday church officials have received pictures of the nuns showing
they are alive. The sisters were wearing clothes recently sent by church
officials through emissaries.
From: randrada@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Rey Andrada)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: H-1 Visa Holders
Keywords: POEA
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:05:42 GMT
Reply-To: randrada@pyrtech.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Rey Andrada)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation




      what a pain .. why do you need to register with PO(something)
another government red tape. the government is supposed to protect
anyone with Philippine passport. poor Filipinos (including me). when
I was in Saudi Arabia you can't get 80% of your salary but it has to
go thru the Philippine bank and be widrawn in the PI in pesos. I was
lucky the company I was with was small and somehow not sending 80% of
my salary to the PI..Oh i just hope our government will change..


  Rey
From: jaylem@silver.spear.apana.org.au (Jaylem Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Advice requested on what to see/do in Philippines
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:40:30 +1100
Organization: silver APANA uucp site Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: silver.spear.apana.org.au

cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Horacio Cadiz) writes:

>In article <1462@bridge2.NSD.3Com.COM> dannya@ESD.3Com.COM (Danny Alvendia) writes:

>> Seriously though, I have heard that Palawan is safe but Mindanao may
>                                                          ^^^^^^^^
>> just be a little bit scary. 
>>
>> /Danny


>   I would think it really depends where in Mindanao you want to go.  
>The areas I have lived in and visited in Mindanao are Bukidnon, Iligan, Cagayan
>de Oro, and Davao.  I never felt insecure or unsafe in any of them.  If one
>listens to people in Luzon, one would think that the citizens of Mindanao
>walk around town bristling with guns ready to shoot anyone who crosses them.
>Could this persistent image of Mindanao still be the result of the secessionist
>war in the 70s?  
>   Miss Mindanao and you'll miss the beauty of the Philippines.


That's quite true, Mindanao is not as scary as what the people in 
luzon think. 

Luzon people think Mindanao is scary while Mindanao people think
the other way around. This is because the news is exaggerated.

I'm from Dipolog City in Mindanao and have visited lots of places like
Zamboanga City, Butuan, Cagayan, Ozamiz, Surigao, Iligan to mention a 
few, in fact I finished college in Marawi City (MSU) which is a Muslim area 
and I did not feel uneasy.

I've also visited Luzon, like the metro area, Angeles, Baguio, Naga
Camarines, Ilocos. It's not scary, but I feel safer in Mindanao,
probably because I'm from there ;-)

Comparing Mindanao and Luzon I think Luzon is more scary because
even in the middle of a very busy city there are always crime
(e.g. kidnapping, snatching, etc...) while in Mindanao, that only
happens in a very remote area but very rarely.


Jaylem

Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino