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From: mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: USA WORLD CUP AND english supremecy, (ha ha ha)
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:24:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Med School Computer Facility

SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET writes:
> 
> Submitting postings to a bulletin board of the type that Mr. Cook
> has made, have no argumental value because they are designed to provoke. In
> the process of provoking, all that happens is that people retreat into
> their nationalistic/tribal shells and harbor bad feelings. Responses to
> the postings are generally even more inflammatory and make the situation
> worse.

     Most of Simon's post hits the nail on the head.  I want to be the
first American to point out that Mr. Cook's tone did seem a bit inflam-
matory, even to me.  But I think his post was more a retort than a pro-
vocation.  I mean we Americans *do* actually get tired of taking all this
crap about how we're commandeering the World Cup.  The way some people are
talking you'd think the sport of soccer so weak that we Americans would
be able to mutate it permanently after having the spotlight for just one
summer.

     
> 
> Mr. Cook is not a good ambassador of his country. In my opinion, I think
> he should apologise for his comments.

      Agreed, for the most part.  His comments do smack a little of the
stereotypical American I hear about all the time from my foreign friends.
But then I'm afraid most of the comments coming out of the UK seem to
be stereotypical (e.g. excessive worrying about CHANGE, straying from
tradition).

> 
> The one regret I do have about the WC being in the US in '94, is that the
> US also 'won' the Olympics over Athens, Greece. Greece really could have
> done with this event, not only because it'll be the Centennary, but because
> they need the cash, pure and simple. America has a tendency to get rather
> too large a slice of the cake sometimes.

      Now, the above sounds like a real issue.  One that we could actually
discuss rationally.  As a result, I predict, it will be utterly ignored in
favor of trans-Atlantic bashing, and I will never learn if we really did
steal the cup from Greece.
> 
> On a final note, Mr. Cook, if the 'WORLD' part of the World Cup is so
> important, how come the US 'World' Series excludes other countries? (:-))
> 
      Certainly, Simon, you don't think Canada is a part of the U.S.?  I
guess, though, we should call it the "our-corner-of-the-world" series.8-)
From: M.H.Smith@newcastle.ac.uk (Mark Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Scores
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:50:45 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU


	The scum beat forest at Wembly, 1-0
	They didn't play that well but forest were worse.

	Leeds beat Chelsea 3-0 at home, but they still looked a bit
	shaky. Wallace, Chapman and Cantona (a beaut) scored to keep
	Leeds hopes alive.

	The championship may be decided in the next few days with
	Mancies playing 4 times in 7 days (ish) and Leeds playing
	Liverpool on sat (away) and Coventry live on the box on
	Easter Monday.

	Arsenal and Shef Wed both won to keep up there fight for a
	European place ( because the scum won there should be a place
	for third in the league).

	Liverpool LOST !

		Au revoir et bon chance Leeds ! 
			ERIC.
From: archer@hsi86.hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Notts County (was Re: Derby County??)
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:22:55 GMT
Reply-To: archer@hsi86.hsi.com.com (Garry Archer)
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford

In article <5377@hsi86.hsi.com> archer@hsi86.hsi.com.com (Garry Archer) writes:
>
>And... funnily enough, Notts County are also one of the 12 founding members,
>so the explanation still seems reasonable.  I haven't forgotten, though,
>that Nottingham Forest were also around at the time and applied to join
>the League at this time.  However, the details of the League had been
>finalised on 17 April 1888 and only 22 fixture dates were available.  So
>Forest and a small number of other clubs had their applications turned down.


Digging through the history books, I had forgotten that Notts County were
originally formed as Nottingham FC.  I'm not sure when the name change
had taken place, but probably by 1865 when Nottingham Forest was formed.
Apparently they were still referred to as simply Nottingham until 1882
though...

Anyway, for Notts County and Nottingham Forest fans, here is a snippet of
a match report of their clash in 1866.  Careful with the terminology and
rules here!:

	"...The only score of the day came at the end of a negative
scoreless afternoon (shades of the present day!) when there was a sort
of steeplechase across the goal-line and over the grandstand railings...
where W.R. Revis, of the Forest, touched down.  The place-kick, 15 yards
at right angles from the goal-line was taken by the same player."

The ball had merely to go between the posts as there was no cross-bar.
As can be deduced, the Nottingham game was a hybrid, relying on a mixture
of Rugby, Sheffield and London rules.


Ahhh, the good ol' days before FIFA  :-)




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From: msf@kbs.citri.edu.au (Michael Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Question: European Competition Requirements (Was Re: English First Division results)
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:27:42 GMT

jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras) writes:
[League results and ladder deleted]
>If Man United win the Championship, then the 2nd and 3rd placed teams go to the
>UEFA Cup.
>If Leeds win the Championship with Man United in 2nd, then Man United and the
>3rd placed team go to the UEFA Cup.
>Theoretically, Man United and Leeds will fight for the Championship while
>the other four teams will battle for the remaining UEFA Cup spot.

Would someone be kind enough to explain what the requirements are for
clubs to qualify for European competition (European Cup, UEFA Cup, Cup
Winner's Cup)? How do the entitlements of each national league change
from season to season according to European success or failure?

Michael Fuller
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From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se (Kent Hedlundh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.french
Subject: French team of the week - Toulouse
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:24:52 GMT
Organization: Dep. of Info.Proc, Umea Univ., Sweden


Toulouse Football Club
----------------------
Founded: 1937
Address: Stadium Municipal; Allee Gabriel-Blenes; 31400 Toulouse.
Stadium: Stade Municipal, same address.
    Capacity: 35000                    Record: 35160 vs Sp.  Moscow 22/10/1986
Colours: White, Violet, White.
Winners of "la Coupe de France" 1957.
President: Marcel Delsol - 73 years.
Director: Francis Andreu.
Trainer: Victor Zvunka - 15/11/1951.

PLAYERS:

    Goalies:
         Huc, Robin - 20/3/1965 - 1.81 m, 77 kg - 132 games.
         Pedemas, Olivier - 31/8 1968 - 1.82 m, 70 kg - 7 games.
         Barthes, Fabien - 28/6 1971 - 1.83 m, 76 kg.

    Defenders:
         Liachenko, Nicolas - 21/10 1970 - 1.74 m, 69 kg.
         Galtier, Christophe - 28/8 1966 - 1.78 m, 75 kg - 176 games.
         DeMol, Stephane - 11/3 1966 - 1.89 m, 82 kg - 27 games. 1 goal.
                           Internationl Belgian.
         Pons, Frederic - 14/5 1962 - 1.78 m, 73 kg - 170 games. 4 goals.
         Hernandez, Jean-Francois - 23/4 1969 - 1.89 m, 81 kg - 55 games.
         Fernandz, Thomas - 3/8 1970 - 1.78 m, 75 kg - 32 games.
         Fouka, Aissa - 27/10 1967 - 1.76 m, 72 kg.
         Ruty, Jean-Luc - 5/7 1959 - 1.83 m, 79 kg - 351 games. 6 goals.

    Midfielders:
         Delpech, Jean-Philippe - 1/9/1967 - 1.80 m, 75 kg - 126 games.
                                  5 goals.
         Despeyroux, Pascal - 17/11 1965 - 1.86 m, 73 kg - 171 games.
                              10 goals. 3 Internationals.
         Almandoz, Norbert - 3/2/1970 - 1.80 m, 73 kg.
         Debeve, Michel - 1/12/1970 - 1.80 m, 75 kg - 49 games. 6 goals.
         Rodor, Nicolas - 6/11 1969 - 1.80 m, 73 kg.
         Hyravy, Viliam - 6/11/1962 - 1.75 m, 70 kg. Int. Chechoslovak.

    Forwards:
         Marcico, Alberto - 13/5/1960 - 1.75 m, 73 kg - 198 games. 58 goals.
                            International Argentinian.
         Pavon, Michel - 7/11/1968 - 1.82 m, 73 kg - 92 games. 11 goals.
         Acosta, Alberto - 23/4 1966 - 1.76 m, 73 kg - 31 games. 6 goals.
                           Argentine.
         Bastere, Nicolas - 19/9 1969 - 1.76 m, 69 kg - 30 games. 5 goals.
         Bancarel, Anthony - 15/5/1971 - 1.80 m, 73 kg - 10 games. 3 goals.
         Ferrer, Bernard - 23/1/1964 - 1.78 m, 70 kg - ? games. ? goals.

Kent


+---------------------------+-------------------------------------------------+
| Kent Hedlundh             | Les Girondins pour le Championnat de D2 1992!   |
| Dept. of Computer Science | France and Sweden for the EC final 1992!        |
| University of Umea        | Monaco pour la Coupe des Coupes 1992!           |
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               "It's always good to talk soccer!" - Marco Petroni
From: visconm@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Marcello Visconti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Copa Libertadores - Update
Date: 11 Apr 92 06:35:58 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.


	Copa Libertadores - Group 1 - Chile/Argentina
	---------------------------------------------

	Previous results (first team is home team):

		Colo-Colo - Coquimbo   1-0
		Colo-Colo - U.Catolica 1-1
		Newell's - San Lorenzo 0-6
		Coquimbo - U.Catolica 3-2 
		Newell's - Coquimbo 3-0
		San Lorenzo - Colo-Colo 1-0
		Newell's - Colo-Colo 3-1
		San Lorenzo - Coquimbo 3-0
		U.Catolica - Newell's 1-1
		U.Catolica - San Lorenzo 4-0
		Coquimbo - Colo-Colo 1-1 
		U.Catolica - Colo-Colo 0-0
		U.Catolica - Coquimbo 5-1
		San Lorenzo - Newell's 0-1
		Colo-Colo - San Lorenzo 1-0
		Coquimbo - Newell's 1-2
		Colo-Colo - Newell's 1-1
		Coquimbo - San Lorenzo 0-1
		San Lorenzo - U.Catolica 2-2

	Friday April 10th:
	
		Newell's 0 - U.Catolica 0 


	Final Table
	-----------

	Team		Pts	W  T  L  GF-GA
	--------------------------------------

	Newell's   (ARG) 10	4  3  1  11-10   * To second round
	U.Catolica (CHI) 9	2  5  1  15-8    * To second round 
	San Lorenzo(ARG) 9	4  1  3  13-8    * To second round 
	Colo-Colo  (CHI) 8	2  4  2   6-7    * To second round 
	Coquimbo   (CHI) 3	1  1  6   6-18   * Eliminated

Bye,

Marcello.

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From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Subject: Re: Bravo Sampdoria
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 16:41:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.161640.244@tfl.dk> mladen@tfl.dk writes:
>
>in article <rmf76INNp35@agate.berkeley.edu> 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu
>writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr3.073937.54159@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>>	I am not a fan of Sampdoria.  But I cannot help to applause
>>>them for defeating Red Star Belgrade.  It is a travesty to let Red
>>>Star in the final again after what they did last year.
>>
>>Red Star simply optimized the use of its resources, playing well within
>>the rules. If the spectacle was less than enchanting one should not blame
>>the actors, but the damn rules, which allowed both Red Star and Argentina
>>to reach finals they no business playing in...Also, a real connoisseur
>>will equally enjoy displays of both offensive and defensive skills.

   I understand what you're saying, but could not one also take the point of
   view that the players, coaches, etc should stand up and take some
   responsibility for the state of the game as well?  I mean when it comes to
   money, TV rights, etc, the players' unions are always the first to scream
   about their importance and how they are equal partners ... if so, why not
   take the onus of responsibility for the "quality" of the game upon
   themselves?  I realize they are not alone responsible ... FIFA should
   obviously looking into ways to improve this "quality", and since they don't
   seem all that keen in doing such a thing, perhaps it would be wise for those
   directly involved in the game at its highest levels to effect the necessary
   change in attitude.

   Brad

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From: biwidar@cs.few.eur.nl (Irsan Widarto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: European Olympic Qualifiers
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:47:06 GMT
Organization: Erasmus Universiteit Rotterdam

gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) writes:

>Can someone fill me in on the European qualifiers for Barcelona .. i.e., who's
>going?  I really haven't been paying much attention thus far :(

>As far as I can tell, the following have qualified:
>     1) Spain
>     2) Germany
>     3) Denmark
>     4) Italy
>     5) Sweden


Germany did *NOT* qualify. The list should be:

      1) Spain      (hosts of Ol.Games)
      2) Scotland   (semi-finalist European Championships under 21)
      3) Denmark    (idem)
      4) Italy      (idem)
      5) Sweden     (idem)
      6) Poland     (best 'loser' European Championships under 21)
      7) ...

The number 7 spot could be taken by The Netherlands (Holland), if
they beat Australia in a home and away game. Games are to be played
in May; currently there is a dispute between the Dutch Soccer 
Association and the FIFA about the exact dates: FIFA wants the games 
to be played May 3 and 24, but this would mean that no Ajax and
Feyenoord (approx. 6/7) players  could make the team *IF* Ajax and
Feyenoord qualify for the EC3 and EC2 final (which is very likely...).

Irsan Widarto (biwidar@cs.few.eur.nl)
    
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From: geirjh@sofus.dhhalden.no (GEIR JOAR HVAL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: World Cup 94 - Shirts
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:13:06 GMT
Organization: Ostfold College

In article <13432@suns3.crosfield.co.uk> rxl@crosfield.co.uk (#richard lovelock) writes:


>  A report in todays 'Daily Express' states that FIFA have
>  announced that for the USA World Cup 94 all players will
>  have their names on the back of their shirts, and will
>  also have their numbers on the front as well as the backs
>  of shirts.

>  Is this really needed ?

> 

>  Apology :  I recently moaned about the possibility of pitches
>             of 70 yards wide being used for the W.C. - during t.v.
>             coverage of yesterdays F.A. Cup semi-final the
>             commentator informed us that the pitch at Highbury
>             ( home of Arsenal F.C. ) was only 70 yards wide.
> 
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>= Richard Lovelock            =   Luton Town F.C.          =
>= Crosfield Electronics Ltd   =   ===============          =
>= Three Cherry Trees Lane     =   (we will survive !)      =
>= Hemel Hempstead             = ============================
>= England                     = Email: rxl@crosfield.co.uk =
>============================================================


Now, that is what I consider as some awfull crappy American idea by FIFA. 
Yes, what is the purpose of that? Let it remain as it is, that's what's 
always been a real and proper football jersey. Is it because some people don'
t know the names of the players. Well, for being a spectator - that is poor!

Keep it like it is! We're not playing American football.


GARY, against names and numbers on the front
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From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Henry Smith - Estate Agent
Keywords: born losers
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:09:01 GMT
Followup-To: that day at Dundee
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

Scottish Cup Semi-Final Replay

Hertz    1  Airdrie   1

McLaren 88  Black 30

AIRDRIE WON 4-2 ON PENALTIES

As predicted months ago Henry Smith sold another semi. Even with his
diabolical haircut he still doesn't know the rules of fitba'. He knocked a
ball on with his hands then picked it up giving Airdrie an indirect free kick
fifteen yards out which Black dispatched into the top corner. This was the
second worst game of the season, the worst being the first game. Both teams
here attempted to kick each other off the park and I felt sorry for the ball.
You could hear it wince sometimes. The Hertz pressure paid off when McLaren
slid the ball in with two minutes to go and with no scoring in extra-time,
McPherson with the big girls haircut missed his penalty along with Crabbe.
Airdrie only had to take four to advance into the final to meet Rangers.

For Hertz it's yet another big game defeat and the tag of born losers sticks.
As for the attendance, it was 11,000 - pretty pish. There was a rumour that
if Hertz had got to the final they would only have got 9000 tickets. That
would have been an overestimate but Henry the estate agent knows all about
them.

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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andy Busa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: News about WC warmups in Chicago?????
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:17:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: bunny.15939
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: GTE/SCSD

In article <1992Apr11.154808.10656@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, jaz29707@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim Zimmerman - Twin Peaks  MST3K MEGAFAN  -) wrote:
> 
> Has anybody heard anything more about the games between US and Portugal
> and US and Italy???
> 	These games are scheduled to take place on June 3 and 6 at Soldier
> 	Field, but I called 1-800-usa-goal for tickets and they still haven't
> 	heard a thing.  Where can I get tickets for these matches?????
> 	Also--when will WC 94' tickets start going on sale, I know the final
> 	sites (who is playing where) has not been announced, but when will it?

This is a surprise to me because I have already bought tickets to the two
games (Ireland vs Portugal and Italy vs Ireland on June 4 and 7) that will
be here in Boston.  
I have no idea why the Chicago tickets haven't gone sale yet.  There is 
still two months to go so maybe Soldier field is holding up the sales for 
one reason or another.  

As for the World Cup tickets, information will be released in June or July
concering when and where we can get tickets.  Just keep your ears open
and keep telling people about the games in June.  Good attendance is 
essential to the health and perception of the sport we love.

Andy
From: scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Derby County??
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:29:04 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <5361@hsi86.hsi.com> archer@hsi86.hsi.com.com (Garry Archer) writes:
|
|Villa -- that was explained in a recent article (from Villa Cross in Aston).
|Albion -- is another (ancient) name for Britain.

But why should anyone name a club using such a word? (Am I missing
something here? Or is it because it just sounds nice? :-)

|Wednesday -- originates from the day the team first started to play on a
|	weekly basis.  (Original team name:  The Wednesday)
|

Ahem.......Wednesday was the original day the *cricket* team used to
play on (who got bored in the winter and so formed a footy club.... etc
etc). (Actually, come to think of it, I'm not really sure what day the
club played its first football matches on........now where's my SWFC
history book gone...?)

Up the Owls (hoping Arsenal's run doesn't continue for too long!)

gordon
From: S.G.Walker@newcastle.ac.uk (Steve Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Irish League 11-4-92 (Week 27)
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:28:03 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU


Results from 11th April :-


  Ballyclare Comrades  4 : 3  Coleraine
  Ballymena United     1 : 2  Ards
  Bangor               4 : 2  Distillery
  Carrick Rangers      0 : 3  Glentoran
  Cliftonville         1 : 0  Newry Town
  Linfield             0 : 0  Larne
  Omagh Town           2 : 0  Crusaders
  Portadown            3 : 0  Glenavon


Well, short report and no table today because I'm in a real hurry, I'm going
home for Easter, hopefully to see a match or two.  I'll be back on Wednesday or
Thursday after Easter and I'll send results over Easter and up to date table
then.  You won't miss a heartbeat.

Only one thing this weekend really, Glentoran are the champions and rightly so,
they have dominated the league this season.  Elsewhere Ports won and Linfield
drew so Ports look set for UEFA Cup slot.


Steve

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                                      |       Tough guys don't dance
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From: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Players of the Year in England ?
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:00:30 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <9204101749.AA25493@nettlerash.berkeley.edu> CVBASMA@UMSVM.BITNET ("Khalil A. Basma") writes:

>Way to go United. Second year in a row both players are from Manchester
>United.
>Hope the Championship is next.


Nope, the Rumbelows is next! 1-0 victory to United today, as evidenced
by the hordes of miserable-looking Forest fans I had to wade through at
Kings Cross today. It looked like a good game (although not half as
good as the classic Spurs win at QPR yesterday!).

The Championship may NOW be next!!!

Daniel Cohen              Department of Computer Science 
Email: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk   Queen Mary and Westfield College
Tel: +44 71 975 5245/4/9  Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK
Fax: +44 81 980 6533      *** Glory, Glory, Hallelujah ***
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