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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Turkish Logic
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:43:40 GMT

bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:

>>>Heck yes!!!
>>
>>>We love it. 
>>
>>>We have an electricity power plant there too! 
>>
>> O.K. Love it, and enjoy it.  But, close your mouth about the muslims
>> in Bosnia. Do not expect to have the exclusiveness in doing ethnic cleansing.
>> Turks are allowed to do any outrageous thing they want to do, and then they
>> dare to say in public that they are enjoying it.

>Boy, you scared the hell out of me !!! 
>(Peh!)

  Naaahhh !!!   It is so hard for you to understand the above comment.
  Perhaps, if you add some more sarcasm, you will feel even better.
  Or, even better, if I send you a video with scenes from the Turkish
  invasion, you will invite some frieds of yours to have some fun.

>I am simply having fun with the crooked, one-sided thinking of your friend,
>Caroutas and some others(not all) who talk about Cyprus on this net who
>think that they have the absolutely correct picture in the matter(like 
>most other issues that the Greeks are involved in nationally). 

 How do you differ?  

>Instead of focusing on the REAL problems,the REAL misunderstandings between the
>two communities,and the hatred, the mistrust caused by them, 
>which need to be resolved for ANY improvement to take place on the island, 
>Caroutas and others choose very simply to blame the other side which I think is
>very simplistic and naive. 

 When you discuss about something, you are expressing your views.  When
 you are throwing sarcasms, then you are not discussing the subject.
 If you think that Caroutas (and others) is (are) wrong, you have to provide 
 some proof that he (they) is (are) wrong.

>> Besime, I feel sorry for you.

>I am really touched !??

 I'm glad you are.

 Panos Tamamidis

 P.S.: (i) The problems with the power failures are because the Turkish
	   -Cypriot side can not maintain the distribution network (cables
	   e.t.c.) in a proper condition. Since you are an Electrical Engineer,
	   you know exactly what the problem is (I don't know if things are
	   better now).
       (ii) Currently, the Greek-Cypriot side is not receiving any water from
	    your side.  In the contrary, it is supplying you with water.
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From: cla02@seq1.keele.ac.uk (R. Wallace)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: MIRacles No. 13
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:01:35 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <Bvrp4v.7pF@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, by pt8684@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis):
> cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
> 
>>From article <BvpznF.K6L@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, by ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ):
> 
>   You want an answer?  I guess the British logic of stealing the ancient
> treasures of ancient Greece and denying their return to Greece directly
> follows Mr. Fears logic.
> 
>   I have something to tell you Mr. Fear. And I will tell it as much politely
> as I can: Fuck you !!

I think this tell us more about you than about your case, Panos!
> 
>   I'm not going to allow you to tell me which part of the Greek history
>  belongs to the Greeks or not.  Got it?
> 
>> I have still to see any
>>proof that this 'star' was a symbol of the Macedonian state or the
>>Argead dynasty
> 
>   This is because you don't want to see it.  I'm not going to prove
> what's already proven.
> 
>>Andy
>  
> 
>  P.S.: This is the first and the last time I'm responding to Mr. Fear.
> -- 
> ---> Panos Tamamidis
>      University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

I won't comment on the persuasive cogency of Mr Tamamidis' logic (he
really does know how to make friends and influence people, doesn't he?)
but there is an interesting point here that the rest of us might want to
talk around a bit.

The star intrigues me. I've seen it on various objects from Macedonia.
Does anyone know whether there is any written evidence of its being used
as a special symbol, and if so, of what? Greek cities use symbols on
coins - pretty well all of them had one. I think (I'll look it up if
anyone is interested) that there is evidence that the Thebans used
Heracles' club as a symbol, and that the Spartans used a capital lambda
(for Lacedaemon) in the same way. That's about as far as I get. If we
could exstablish that this characteristic star was a national or
dynastic symbol, that would be a fascinating piece of evidence for the
early development of something which might be the beginning of national
identity. It seems to me that it is used quite often, and is often given
prominence, which suggests that something is going on, but what?

And why a star? Are we sure that it is a star? Might it be a stylised
sun? How does ancient art represent stars? Or is it just a favourite decorative
motif which was adopted for some reason?
 
I'd be grateful for any information.

But no foul-mouthed abuse or tantrums please!

Richard Wallace
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: paulko@lynx.cs.washington.edu (Paul Konasewich)
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 22:37:07 GMT

ZhiZhong Zhang (zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu) wrote:
: I am not sure if it is appropriate to post this here, but I'll give it 
: a try. I am from mainland China and I know a lot of people from mainland
: China and Taiwan. Naturally mainland Chinese and Taiwanese date americans
: when they are here. Now the interesting part, usually the girls who can 
: get chinese dates don't date Americans. Most of the times, only those
: who cannot date Chinese or Taiwanese date Americans. No offense to anyone
: here, just my observation. 
: ZZZ


Maybe for a small portion of Chinese women, this is true, but overall, I
just don't buy it. Maybe it's the part of the country that you live in,
but on here on the West coast, I've seen lots of very attractive Asian
women with Caucasian men. I find it hard to believe that these women
can't get dates with Chinese men.

On the other hand, maybe these women are OPEN MINDED and date by
PERSONAL QUALITIES and not COLOR and RACE.


Sincerely, Paul Ko.
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Movie Ratings Ballot 10/92
Keywords: Movie Review
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:20:20 GMT
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	clee2@cc.swarthmore.edu (Clifford Suk Jae Lee):
	> Hard to understand her actions (just because she didn't speak 
	> much)?  I understood it pretty well.  I really do not know 
	> what you mean.

I don't think I know what I mean either. After reading your comments
and David Ching's, maybe I need to see the movie again - I saw it
such a long time ago.

	Melinda
From: sieh@panix.com (Lui Sieh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: interracial dating
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:39:24 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <Oct.5.12.06.50.1992.7176@spade.rutgers.edu> 
cadet@spade.rutgers.edu (Uniquely TiJean) writes:
>I browsed the FAQ on interacial dating and I see there is no mention
>of other groups like African-American or Hispano-Americans. It seems
>like that Asian-American males have no problem with this kind of mix?
>True or false! Please, do not email! I rather read what you post.

It's because so many people have a narrow focus on the subject.  Black and
Hispanic Americans are minorities like Asian Americans so it's not a problem
but White Americans are.  Hence the de-emphasis on those kinds of relation-
ships.

My first girlfriend was of an Ecuadorean background (Are they called Latino?)
and I've always had a preference toward Latin women.  Haven't yet had a
relationship with a Black woman and given the generally poor relationship 
between Black America and Asian America, who knows.

In any event, skin color isn't that significant in a relationship.  People
make it, though.

Twinkie Chinkie



-- 
//Lui Sieh
Dum loquimur, fugerit invida Aetas: carpe diem, quam minimum postero.  
Horace, Odes, I.xi.7;	<-- "Why post to USENET?" -Brian O.  Indeed.
What about my opinions?   ====>>   /dev/null     or    sieh@panix.com
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating FAQ (was Re: Montel Williams Show)
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
	<92277.223633ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Oct5.143636.14400@nynexst.com>
	<1992Oct7.011005.3100@ichips.intel.com>
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:53:17 GMT

   sedayao@sousa.intel.com (Jeff Sedayao) writes:

   I find tanning to be a really strange idea.  Destroying one's skin for
   the sake of color!  You would think that those with lots of naturally
   occurring melanin would be idealized!  My mother always gardens in
   long sleeve shirts.  She would always warn me to stay out of the sun
   because I would "get too dark."

This used to be the norm among whites, too.  It used to be that having
a tan indicated that you were had to do manual labor outside, so
paleness was prized.  The advent of more-rapid travel to sunny
climates and fewer people in outdoor jobs meant that the "meaning"
shifted, so that a tan was a sign of sufficient wealth and leisure to
lie around in the sun.  It's not the color itself that matters (so
naturally-dark people aren't idealized), it's what the color change
implies.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:29:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.133955.24993@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
->In article <1992Oct13.222855.17119@tcsi.com> gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
->>In article <2252@usna.NAVY.MIL>, wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>) writes:
->>> In article <1992Oct13.142458.27322@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com
->>> (Clare Chu) writes:
->>
->>> >  They don't all belong to you Americans.
-> 
->   They [foreign women] don't all belong to you Americans.
->   We were talking about foreign women and American men.  
->   I definitely do not consider myself an American MAN,
->   and don't give me that "man includes woman" line, it's real old.
->>
->>> What's this `you Americans' stuff?  I though you grew up in the USA?
->
->  Born here.  But you Americans do not consider me American.  You
->  Americans come up to me and compliment me for not having an accent.

I would think the operative word here is "some americans"; "you americans"
encompass the entire population (including myself, who would never think
to ask Asian Americans that question.)  isn't such a blanket statement
as damaging as men saying "you women are all bimbettes" or women saying
"you men are all potential axe-murders" etc.?

*some* americans are that ignorant, granted.  but why use the entire
population for that some?


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Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:9493 soc.culture.asean:6828 soc.culture.korean:4662
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Keywords: underdog
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:08:22 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
	> Ms. Nordstrum, a note of caution is in order.
	> Ms. Chu's book is fairly tame.  She doesn't criticize 
	> Chinese-cu culture much but does expound a lot on it.  The 
	> purpose of her book is to help American business people to 
	> understand the Chinese-cu mind so that they can do business in 
	> China; that's basically it.

	> So, the section that might have her book would be the "business" or
	> "international business" section.  But if you do find a _biography_ 
	> about her family life, then I'd appreciate you telling me the title.

When you first mentioned the book, I was under the mistaken impression
that it was about her own life. Next time, I'll check in the Business
or Internation Business sections.

 	> And what's the crap with "underdog" in the Keywords:, anyhow?  The
	> distribution is set to ba; i.e., no body who's anybody reads this.

It's just out of consideration for those who have you in killfiles. No
offense intended.

	Melinda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield)
Subject: Just a thought
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:40:56 GMT

After reading some posts, just a side thought. "American culture" is only 
what it is at this present moment.  Things can, and always do change.  
Just about every ethnic group was once seen as "sub-us" at one time or 
another during America's SHORT history. Irish, Jews, what have you.  
But now, not so any more.  During the late 1800s and early 1900s, with 
all the immigrants coming from Europe, those immagrants were not treated 
the way I think some of you think they were.  They were looked down upon 
and shunned, and taken advantage of.  Now it's a totally different 
situation.
  I'm not trying to justify anythting, but just wanted to point out that 
things do change.  You also have to realize that where there are larger 
concentrations of Asian populations, you have much more tolerance and 
acceptance of different customs. You can't expect someone in middle 
America to feel the same way as someone in California when for instance, 
both neighbors on both sides are Asian-Americans here (in Calif), but if 
I were to move to Idaho, or such, there probably wouldn't be one Asian in 
the whole city.
:::::Larry:::::

--
Larry Greenfield (bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perot on AAs
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:40:42 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:

>Frankly, I have doubts about whether any of the presidential
>candidates recognizes Asian-Americans as real Americans; the
>only one who seems remotely conscious of our existence is
>Bill Clinton.

>Lest this spawn a full-fledged debate that belongs in *.politics.*,
>please restrict all followups to the topic of Asian-American issues
>in the presidential campaign.  Thanks in advance.

The following article comes form the current issue of AsianWeek:

Title: Clinton impresses Asian Pacific American Leaders at Roundtable

Washington, D.C - Domocratic presidential nominee Bill Clinton met 
with national Asian Pacific American leaders Sept 26 during a special
session closed to the press to discuss their individual and collective
concerns and agendas. The 75-minute routable decribed as "substantive"
by most who attended, probably represents the last time the Arkansas 
governor will meet solely with the APA representative before the election.
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.usa
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Blame that Asian!
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 13:24:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.222832.19424@morrow.stanford.edu> berne@nova1.stanford.edu (Jean-Francois Berne) writes:
>--------------------------
>About the Huns:
>--------------
>     Hun , sb. [OE. H&uacu.ne, H&uacu.nas, = ONor. H&uacu.nar, MHG. Hunen,
>Hiunen, Ger. Hunnen, med.L. Hunni (Chunni, Chuni), believed to represent the
>native name of the people, who were known to the Chinese as Hiong-nu, and
>also Han.]

  Huns were also considered barbarians by the Chinese.

> 1. One of an Asiatic race of warlike nomads, who invaded Europe c a.d. 375,
>and in the middle of the 5th c., under their famous king Attila (styled
>Flagellum Dei, the scourge of God), overran and ravaged a great part of
>                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>this continent.
> A. 900 Cynewulf Elene 21 (Gr.) Werod samnodan Huna leode and HreDgotan, foron
>fyrdhwate Francan and Hunas. A. 900 Cynewulf Elene 32 Huna cyning. 1607 Topsell
>Four-f. Beasts (1658) 226 The Companies or Armies of Huns, wandering up and
>down with most swift Horses, filled all things with slaughter and terrour. 1728
>                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Pope Dunciad iii. 90 The North..Great nurse of Goths, of Alans, and of Huns.
>1838 Penny Cycl. XII. 346/2 Under Heraclius [610-641] many of the Huns embraced
>Christianity.  After that period their name is no longer mentioned in History.
>[...]
>----------------------------
>Guess that answer the question "why are they held as barbarians".
>
From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Dougie Howser, Quincy
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 92 18:06:55 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Chris Wa of microsoft says Quincy was based on a controversial Asian Am
and Dougie Howser was based on an AsIndian boy. Anybody else got any other
leads on this?

respond to arthur@rad.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: "edmund murphy" <edmund.murphy@canrem.com>
Subject: mr. baseball
Reply-To: "edmund murphy" <edmund.murphy@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:38:08 EST

I saw the movie Mr. Baseball a few days ago.  As a sports movie, it was
really pretty predictable (hot-shot athlete joins new team, pisses off
coach, does well for awhile, performance begins to decline, athlete
resolves conflict with coach, works his butt off to get better, and
wins the big game at the end of the movie).  However, I thought it was
an interesting look at Japanese baseball.  Can anyone confirm the
following parts of the movie as being actuallt true about Japanese
baseball:
1) Can a baseball game in Japanese leagues end in a tie?
2) Do Western baseball players in Japanese leagues face more strigent
   rules from the umpires (such as larger strike zone when they are
   batting)?
3) Is it disrespectful to spit tobacco on the "sacred" ballpark in
   Japan?
4) Is the Japanese pro league rigged or manipulated in any way so that
   the "Tokyo Giants" (Japan's national team?) wins most of the time?

Speaking of baseball, I am a Canadian from Toronto, and I just want to
say that the Blue Jays are going to KICK ATLANTA'S BUTT in the world
series!!!  Since we will be the first non-american team to win the
world series (I think), this will make it a truely international event,
as the name of the event implies.

                                    GO JAYS!!!
                                        Edmund j. Murphy
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Is it in the Genes?
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:42:43 GMT
Reply-To: gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae Kurtis Kim)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <MDAY.92Oct6163140@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu> mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:

[much deleted...]
>system of categorization.  My complaint is that "race" as it is
>usually understood is a culturally-sensitive categorization: for
>example, Japanese in Japan do not consider themselves to be racially
>similar to Koreans or Samoans, although Americans would tend to call
>them all "Asians".  I don't believe that you can come up with a
>culturally-independent grouping of humans into "races", such that you
>can claim that two different observers will (with very high
>probability) categorize a given population identically.  I believe
>that you can do this with all scientifically-useful distinctions.

[deleted...]
>I haven't rejected human differences.  I reject only the concept of
>race.  Each human is a unique collection of traits, but there are no
>meaningful biological categories between individual and species.
>There are no races, there are no subspecies.  

	I suppose my understanding of race is quite different from
yours or your researched definitions.  My definition of race is in
perspective of both biological and cultural aspects. Cultural and
biological contribution to a given race cannot be separated to view
independently.  Although there isn't a case where there's absolutely
no overlap of cultural and biological aspects between one race and the
other (the race that we commonly separate), significant differences
can be found, in both cultural and biologica sense, among races that
are commonly defined in anthropological context.
	Following your logic, I can see why you say "there are no
race, and subspecies."  But, I can only see your logic being true in
sub-molecular level in biological sense (slight exaggeration).  
Obviously, I am sure you are aware of the cultural differenc in 
this world.  Again, these two things cannot be separated.  
The question becomes "Nature vs. Nurture," in
which majority of scientist believe that our existence is molded by
both aspects.  But there are always extremists... ( going off the
subject here...)
	About coming up with culturally independent names for race...
Yes, that is impossible.  And it seems like those naming was done for
convinience sake than anything else.  Yet I think it serves purpose,
just as much as differentiating field of study into certain names.
With your logic, philosophy, math, biology, biochemistry, history,
sociology, psychology, and many others are all same to me.
	
Kurtis Kim
gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
THE SEEKER OF TRUTH
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:9508 soc.culture.japan:8691
From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Genetic question misunderstood
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:02:55 GMT

In article 1LK@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu, achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (an-sing chen) writes:
>|In article <lcf8skINNcnu@news.bbn.com> ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes:
>|
>|>
>|> You would not say that bears in the
>|>
>|> North Pole are smarter than North American bears, or that African
>|>                                                           ^^^^^^^   
>|> elephants remember better than Chinese (Indian) elephants, just because they
>|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> have different ear sizes!
>|>
>|
>|
>|Unfortunately, most animal trainers would tend to agree that the 
>|Indian elephants are far easier to train than the wild African elephants.
>|
>|Thus, indicating that Indian elephants are genetically "smarter"
>|than the African elephants.
>|
>|Sure, you may be able to find a few extreme examples of "smart" African
>|elephants that could be taught some tricks, but statistically speaking,
>|the Indian elephants are much easier trained.
>|
>|
>|


Does being easier to train mean smarter?  Or does resistance to being 
subjugated show more intelligence?  I would argue that being trainable
does not actually show a difference in intelligence but a difference
in temperment.

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