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Subject: Re: Sterling Spitfire 
Distribution: world
Organization: Harrier Softnet Ltd
Reply-To: bob@harrier.demon.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:22:57 +0000


>Has anyone had any experience with the Sterling Spitfire. I expect that
>like most Sterling kits, it is a builders kit (ie LOTSA wood). But
>does it fly well. They claim a 64" wing span, and requirement of a
>..35 to .60 engine. How about a 48 Surpass? Good enough? How scale is it?
> Anyway
>Omni models is having a close out sale and are offering the 
>kit for $49.99. Though I am up to my eyeballs in building projects
>(a Flair Magnatillia, a Flair Pupeteer, a Flair SE5a and a scratch
>build Fokker D-VIII) the price makes it an interesting proposition.
>
 Looks like you have a thing for Flair kits. The Maggy is a popular plane 
 in my club, power ranging from a very old OS40 FS ( bit marginal) to one 
 with a Saito 90 twin, ( he said he had it laying around spare). Very nice
 flyers tho'.. I had one for 1 brief flight, I was pretty inexperienced at
 the time, pulled it out of a dive and the wings folded.. They do need to be 
 flown slowly, and they can be quite aerobatic....

 The Puppeteer is also popular. They caan be made into a pretty good 
 representation of a Pup... Covered with linen solartex and carrying a 4
 stroke they look absolutely great ona summer's eve, sun shining through the
 covering..... 

 Anyway I digress... A 63" Spit is gonna need rather more urge than a 48
 Surpass can provide. It'll probably fly but you'll be very dissapointed.
 That's assuming it gets off the ground.. All the Spits I've seen take a
 lot of power to get up. They appear to be a real handfull on take off. I had
  a play once it was up and safe, very pleasant indeed. 
 
 There's one this size, a Mick Reeves kit currently flying up our field, it 
 has an ASP 75, tho' it used to fly ok with a Super Tigre 60. Not sure of 
 it's weight, around 7-8lbs I think

 I personally would put a 90 Surpass in, but then I tend to err in favour of 
 power. You can always throttle back... Alternatively the 70 Surpass would
 provide sufficient urge, you just won't have the power for big loops. I
 just love the 70 Surpass, it's probably my most used engine....


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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Light Covering...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:09:28 GMT

In article <2586@rnivh.rni.sub.org> torsten@rnivh.rni.sub.org (Torsten Leibold) writes:

>Oh my o my .... Thanks for that hint, but oversea calls are rated with
>1 cent per 6 seconds ... :-) That would be really too much.

Hmmm 10 cents / minute? Not too bad.. (I thought it was more like a buck 
an hour..)



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From: potter@watson.ibm.com (David Potter)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Re: Gold Addition Corsair.
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:58:19 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

Sean, 
you are building my next plane, so i am anxious to hear what you like,
and don't like about this particular kit. 

In article <seanm.2xqf@terapin.com> seanm@terapin.com (Sean McCaskey) writes:
>
>  Well, winter building season is here. Time to get the glue out.
>
>  I have a nice  TopFlight F4U Corsair to build.  I have buiilt and flown
>plenty of planes.  I can handle the hot ones and tail draggers, but this one is
>going to be my first semi-scale war bird with retracts.  I have a few
>questions....also I would like any hints/kinks anyone who has built this beast
>might have experienced.
>
>  1 Engine choice.  I prefer 2 stroke, and it calls for .60-.80.  I know a .60
>will be to weak if I build it with retracts.  Will a .Super Tiger .90 be too
>much?
>
>  2 What sort of retracts should I use?  I know they have to be 90 degee
>rotating, but the mechanicals I have seen don't always lock down.  What about
>numatic?  Are they reliable?
 
 Last summer I saw electric retracts on a scrtach built P40.  They were
 really neat!  They go up and down very scale like, not so fast as air,
 and more reliable than mechanical as long as the battries hold up.
 I can nor remember the name of them, but i might be able to find out?

>  3 (Last one) What sort of finsh is best?  I don't want to plastic wrap it as
>it always make the planes look like a plastic toy.  What about light fiberglass
>and paint?  Will this make it alltogether too heavy?
>
>  Thanks!
>
> ---Sean---
> seanm@terapin.com
>  No man is a failure who has friends.

Please keep me posted on your experince with this classic war bird, I love
Corsairs and hope to get my TopFlite F4U Corsair kit next month.

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From: harrisl@unssun.nevada.edu (Larry Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Re: Beginner questions (again!)
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:41:25 GMT
Reply-To: harrisl@unssun.UUCP (Larry Harris)
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno

In article <95377@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> pfoss@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>I have flown most of the Duraplane series and I feel they sacrifice too much
>flyability in the name of durability.  The US Aircore trainer is a pretty good
>flyer though.  I still like Midwest Areostars the best for a "with an instructor"
>type of trainer.

Pete,

IMHO, the Midwest Aerostar .40 is one of the best trainers that I have ever
built. The kits wood parts were excellent and the plans were easy to follow.
I also learned to fly my Aerostar .40 only after ( 8 ) trainer cord flights
with an instructor.            
 

Larry

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From: dqwelch@sgidq4.sdrc.com (Mike Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Re: The Dago Red Slope Glider
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:29:34 GMT
Organization: SDRC

In article <1992Dec16.225812.25345@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, grasmeye@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Joel M. Grasmeyer) writes:
|> 
|> 	As the Christmas building season approaches (and I can justify 
|> spending more money on models), I am considering building an intermediate/
|> advanced slope glider.  I am looking for something to build around two 
|> S-133 servos, a FP-R114H 4 channel receiver, and the NR-4G 250mAh battery
|> pack.  
|> 
|> 	This past summer I saw a couple guys flying these small, scale P-51
|> slopers out on the Palos Verdes Peninsula just south of LA.  They were 
|> very fast, and seemed to be quite maneuverable...not to mention that 
|> they were guided by excellent pilots.  From a limited look around at the
|> kits available, the only scale P-51 I found was the Dago Red glider.  


I've seen the same thing.  Awesome speeds!

|> 
|> 	Has anyone had any experience with this model?  Are there any
|> other models of this type around, either in a kit or in plans?  Also, 
|> what are some good sources for slope gliders in general?  
|> 
|> Joel Grasmeyer 
|> grasmeye@gn.ecn.purdue.edu

A good source for small gliders is Hobby Shack.  Another excellent source for
gliders in general is North East Sailplane Products.  I have there '91 catalogue.
Its full of stuff.  They seem to reccommend the Chuperosa.  I have flown two.  They 
are very good flyers.  The 60" wingspan may be more than you want.

I have a question for you.  Where would you slope fly in Indiana?  Especially, 
something small like a Dago Red?  

There is a nice dam at Brookville Lake.  I have flown slope there.  Are there
any other sites near Purdue?
From: antoine@osd.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Super Cheetah
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:05:43 GMT
Organization: Universite Laval

A few days ago there was talk about slope planes, someone mentionned the  
Super Cheetah.  Can we get more info on it, who makes it, where can we get  
a kit and/or plan?
Thks

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From: sbixby@cup.portal.com (Steven W Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Re: Questions about batteries & mufflers.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 12:28:28 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

>First let me say thanks to everyone in this newsgroup. I have always
>received quality answers to my questions. So, here are a couple more
>questions:

Ain't this newsgroup the best!?!?!?!?  :-)

>1) I need a second battery pack for my Airtronics receiver. I was thinking
>   I could save a few bucks by buying a battery pack and connector and
>   making one. The question is, the Airtronics Rx battery pack is 500 mAh
>   and the Tower packs are 600 mAh. Is this difference harmful?

Not at all - it just gives your flight pack 20% more capacity.  Consider
that many models with additional servos, or bigger servos, or whatever
might require a higher current draw, will use 1200 or 1500 mAh packs.

>2) I have an old K&B 40 Torpedo. It runs great and is in great shape. I want
>   to put it on my CGM Eagle II. Unfortunately, the Torpedo is from the days
>   before mufflers. Can anyone recommend a good aftermarket muffler? 
>   Hopefully one that will extend outside the engine compartment?

I had two of these, but wore them out 8+ years ago, so I haven't actually
dealt with them recently.  However, for both of mine, I purchased a
muffler made by one of the muffler companies (Tatone?) that was a direct
strap-on fit to the K&B engines.  Check in a Tower catalog, or with a
large store and see if you can find such a beast again.  I seem to
recall "Peace Pipe" was the name of the product (not mfgr).  It may
be that this product is long out of service, however.  Also, it seemed
to rob quite a bit of power, but it sure was quiet, relatively speaking
to the mufflers of that day.

At any rate, you shold be able to buy a muffler that will suit your
purpose from the Tatone or C.B. product line.  But considering that you'll
pay $20+ for a muffler and that a new OS 40FP runs around ($50).....
well, I'd choose a new engine, personally.  :-)

Good luck with your Eagle II - great plane!

   -swb-   (Steve Bixby - sbixby@cup.portal.com)

Thanks in advance!
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From: pat@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Pat Thaler)
Subject: Re: Beginner question (cars)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:15:46 GMT
Organization: Roseville Networks Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]


Thanks to the advice we got, we did buy the RC-10 and are putting it together.

We've run into a bit of trouble with the turnbuckle rods and ball caps.
It is very hard to get the caps screwed on to the rods.  I'm concerned
that if I hold the caps with pliers, they will get deformed.  Any advice
on how to get these together more easily (there are so many of them).

Also, I read ahead about puting the transmission together.  Generally,
the instructions are clear, but at the end it tells you about the 
cap that you take off the dust cover to adjust the clutch.  What
I don't understand is what to adjust for.

Pat
From: torsten@rnivh.rni.sub.org (Torsten Leibold)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Re: Pica P-51 (was: Great Planes P-51 & 4-stroke)
Date: 2 Jan 93 12:41:43 GMT
Organization: Rhein-Neckar-Informationsdienst Viernheim

bob@harrier.demon.co.uk (Bob day) writes:

>>I'm building my first warbird, a Great Planes P-51.  I have built the wing
>>with retracts.
>>I was wondering if anyone else in the group had built this kit with
>>retracts, and what engine you used?  Comments on 48 Surpass vs. 70
>>Surpass vs. 2-stroke (ST 45K) would be appreciated.

> I'm afraid I'm not familiar with this particular kit. However if it's 55"+
> I would look at the 70 Surpass as a minimum.. The 48 is a nice engine, I
> used one in a Coverite Jeep. It pushed it along at a nice scale speed....

Jop, I agree with that. Please don't use those small 2-strokes, it
would be a real pain.

> of bits I left with was a Pica P51 kit, the 1/6 scale one cos I have a engine
> for it... I've had all the bits out of the box several time, looks like
> really good quality.... Has anyone built/flown one of these?

Sorry, not yet. But I will get this kit in Spring, so I'm very keen on
ANY information you have about it.
So please, place me on your list "Information to send to about Pica P-51".
:-)
I would be glad if you could post a building report when you're
finished ...

Bye,
  Torsten.

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From: mjbst13+@pitt.edu (Mark J Brositz)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: O.S. 46 Engine
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:58:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: mjbst13@unixd3.cis.pitt.edu

Sometime recently, someone posted about an article in RCM magazine that talked
about putting an O.S. 46 size engine in the Concept 30 helicopter.  Does anyone
have any details on how this is done?  I haven't seen the magazine and would
like to know how to do this.  I know for one thing, that some kind of 
alteration has to be made on how the engine mounts to the body because the hole
distances in the engine (the four mounting holes) are different than that of
the O.S. 32 which is normally used.  Anyone out there read the article and know
how people are doing this?

					Thanks,
					Mark
From: sbixby@cup.portal.com (Steven W Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Re: out of control!
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 17:19:40 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

< no-response radio problem, deleted>
>Question:

>Does anybody have the similar experience ? with a Airtronics or a Futaba Radio
?

>What could possibly caused the failure? Any weak points inside the Tx and
>receiver ?  Interference?

>Anysuggestions as how to prevent this from happening?

THis has happened to me once, fortunately it just meant the plane rolled
off the end of the runway into grass.  I traced the problem to dirty 
switch contacts.

The problem very much sounds like intermittent contact between the
battery and the reciever; either connectors or the switch itself.
Especially if you mount the switch in the fuse side.

It sounds to me as if the toss shifted the switch/connectors/battery
enough to break contact, and the resulting 'landing' jolted them
back again.

I would at the minimum:  Clean the switch contacts, if you can, and
also the connectors (if you can, again).  If you can't get at the
switch innards or anything, spend a few bucks for another switch
harness.  After all this is done, jiggle everything, including 
the whole plane, while a helper smoothly moves the sticks.  This
will help you find an intermittent connection, hopefully.

Also - do the same for the transmitter...  Shake it around a little
bit and see if you can get it to not respond...  It is possible
the antenna connection is loose, or the RF deck in the back of
the box is loose.

At any rate... Good luck!

   -swb-   (Steve Bixby - sbixby@cup.portal.com)
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From: mmcevill@mitre.org (Michael A. McEvilley)
Subject: Re: Log Books -- Does anyone in R/C netland maintain such a monster?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: boeing
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:04:16 GMT

In article <BzqEx8.Jq1@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> vanzwol@bcstec.ca.boeing.com 
(Ted Van Zwol) writes:
> The idea of a log popped into my head, but (I'm almost embarrased to 
admit)
> it seemed somewhat silly, or non-value added.
> 
> Comments?

Not silly at all.  If you are interested I have a buddy that has an R/C 
logbook that runs on his PC!

I maintain a simple log of my R/C flights, by aircraft.  Basically, I keep 
track of the number of flights, duration of each flight, and what I did on 
that flight (I fly pattern planes but not competitively....yet, and I do 
like to practice the manuveres).   And like full-scale logs, I keep track 
of number of landings (I guess it carried over from my full-scale 
flying!).  Also, I note other than normal weather conditions (20 knot 
winds, direct crosswind, etc).   I also note battery capacity and time to 
discharge in my log, so it serves a dual purpose of tracking battery life.

Is it worth it?  It's up to the individual.  The fact that you asked about 
it tells me that you would probably find it worthwhile.  I see it as a 
hobby within the hobby, and it makes for great hanger (read that garage) 
talk with my buddies when we get rained out on planned flying days!  (Crashes get logged also!!!)

On the other hand, I know a lot of guys whose planes never make it to 50 
flights, so why bother logging!

Michael
From: bloom@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Re: Quiet combat?
Date: 28 Dec 92 08:22:50 CST
Distribution: rec.models.rc
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <LARRY.92Dec25074349@peak.psl.nmsu.edu>, larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:
> I've read some recent posts about FAI rule changes and, in particular, 
> silencers on combat engines.
> 
> My interest was tweaked a bit. I've often wondered about the future of 
> mufflers and CL combat. What's really going on in development in this area? 
> And how do the real combat fliers feel about it? 
> 
> Thanks in advance for your comments.


I fly R/C, not combat, but I'm going to let you know how I feel anyway. 
I posted about a year ago on the subject of "why don't the control-
line flyers use mufflers?"  It seemed strange that the AMA is such a 
strong advocate for mufflers in R/C and yet had no stated public policy 
for C/L.  I fly at Ned Brown Woods in Elk Grove Village and the C/L 
engines are indeed quite loud and irritating; loud enough that you 
cannot hear your R/C plane in the air.  The loudest engines are the 
combat types practicing for competition.  The replies to my original 
post explained that combat engines had to be loud because 

1) it was a competitive event requiring the ultimate in engine performance
2) combat flyers during practice must use the same setup as in competition
3) AMA had no muffler requirement
4) there were no effective mufflers available that would survive combat
5) no mufflers could be designed to survive combat.

Well now it becomes obvious that if rule #3 is changed by the AMA then 
a whole new world of technology is available to the combat flyers.  It's 
amazing how the laws of physics change so dramatically in 1 year.


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From: kng@pt.com (Ken Gravenstede)
Subject: Re: Super Cheetah
Summary: Where to find Super Cheetah
Keywords: Slope Super Cheetah
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:19:16 GMT

Call any hobby store in the LA beach area and you should be able to find
a Super Cheetah.  They are manufactured somewhere up in the 'Valley'.

Here's the basic info on one:

	Polycarb fuse  ---> indestructable (well, almost)
	Foam wings and tail surfaces
	Aileron/Elevator control
	High Wing design
	Designed originally for combat flying
	58" wing span (If my memory serves me)

All in all a lot of fun to fly.  There are others that I'd recommend
if you've already flown on the slope.

Ken
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From: bob@harrier.demon.co.uk (Bob day)
Subject: Re: Great Planes P-51 & 4-stroke 
Distribution: world
Organization: Harrier Softnet Ltd
Reply-To: bob@harrier.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:40:13 +0000


>I'm building my first warbird, a Great Planes P-51.  I have built the wing
>with retracts.
>I was wondering if anyone else in the group had built this kit with
>retracts, and what engine you used?  Comments on 48 Surpass vs. 70
>Surpass vs. 2-stroke (ST 45K) would be appreciated.
>
>

 I'm afraid I'm not familiar with this particular kit. However if it's 55"+
 I would look at the 70 Surpass as a minimum.. The 48 is a nice engine, I
 used one in a Coverite Jeep. It pushed it along at a nice scale speed....

 Most warbirds had a power to weight ratio of around .2hp /lb (ish). So to 
 get a like performance if you plane is 5-6lbs you need to be looking at 
 1-1.2hp ie the 70 surpass....

  I wouldn't put in a 48, or for that matter a 45 two stroke. You'll be  
  dissapointed with the ( lack of ) performance......


 As an aside I went to afullsize  airshow last summer, turned out to be 
 all WW2 planes.. The opening display was 5 P51ds flying flat out, low level
 along the runway.. Quite some site.. I fell in love with Mustangs and had
 to build one...

 I recently I had a trip to the San Francisco, so I took the oppertunity 
 to visit a model shop or two cos stuff is so much cheaper on your side 
 of the pond.... I went to Sheldon's in San Jose.. What an eye opener, so 
 much stuff.. I was like a kid in a candy store.. Amongst the $500 worth
 of bits I left with was a Pica P51 kit, the 1/6 scale one cos I have a engine
 for it... I've had all the bits out of the box several time, looks like
 really good quality.... Has anyone built/flown one of these?

cheers

bob

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