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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Wrists and poles....
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:26:44 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <BxIDw2.JAB@apollo.hp.com> heff@ki.ch.apollo.hp.com (Jeff Oesterle) writes:
|
|So, I've been having kboard related wrist problems, and I've managed
|to keep the problems at a relatively moderate level.
|
|But, I went skiing for the 1st time this season the other day, and
|my wrists were bugged big time.  They didn't like pole plants at ALL, 
|even though I was trying to go easy.

I think we're talking a worker compensation lawsuit it.  This is serious.
The keyboard related injuries have obviously affected your quality of 
life.  I'd ask for 2 mil minimum.

|So, should I learn to ski w/o poles?

It isn't bad practice occasionally.

|  If so, what the hell do I do 
|in crowded lift lines, where there are occasionally little bumps and 
|hills that are prob'ly impossible to negotiate w/o poles?  Pop one ski off,
|and walk through the line?
 
A wrist brace might help.   You might then here comments like,  "Gosh Dang
Billy Bob, Look at that poor feller with the braces on his hands"

This isn't a comment on your skiing ability but are you "planting" your 
pole rather than just touching it to the snow with just a peck for timing.  
Technique could have something to do with it.  Finally, consider poles with 
shock absorbing springs. I've had my Kerma's for several years and never 
have a problem with my wrists hurting during or after skiing.  I used to, 
although it may be a combination with my technique improving and the poles.

>Should I just chuck it all, and start snowboarding?

Blasphemy!

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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From: bep1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (bentz.e.puryear)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:25:01 GMT

From article <1992Nov5.042544.6853@netcom.com>, by allyn@netcom.com (allyn):
> Recently, a homophobic anti gay rights referendum was passed by the voters
> in the state of Colorado. 
> 
> Myself, along with many others, especially in some of the motss news
> groups strongly urge everyone to BOYCOTT Colorado.
> 
> If you feel you must ski in places such as Aspen and Veil, please
> consider alternitives such as Utah, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, or
> British Columbia.
> 
> We must send a strong economic message to Colorado that what they did
> was wrong!
> 
> Remember! Boycott Colorado!!

I live in Denver and there is alot of talk about Amendment 2. The amendment
as I understand it does not allow Gay's minority status. It does not say
anything bad about Gay's. In the Rocky Mountain News an artical written about
how upset the Gay Groups are, reads:

	Amendment 2, the initiative that probhibits protected status
	for homosexuals.

I think alot of people saw this as a way of giving AA status to another group.
I do not think anyone should suffer discrimination for any reason. As for 
Gay's unless they are a white male they are already covered by some minority
group. I try to treat anyone I meet the same way I would like to be treated
no matter what there color, race, or sexual likes.

This is only my thoughts on the subject but It has had heavy coverage in the
Denver papers.
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From: scott@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Scott G Goddard)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: What's Hunter?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 21:49:37 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

 A couple of you Killington fans mentioned "Hunter" in articles.  What is this
is it a new trail?
From: nagy@cs.bu.edu (Sue Nagy)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Wanted:  Condo in Conway/North Conway New Hampshire
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:00:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: nagy@csd



A group of us (4 couples) are looking to rent a 3 or 4 bedroom condo in the Conway/North Conway, New Hampshire area during New Year's (Thursday - Saturday nights).  We rented a smaller place in the area last year so references can easily be provided.  Thanks!

-Sue
From: j_schwar@oz.plymouth.edu (Jeffrey A. Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: sunday river
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:29:43 GMT
Reply-To: j_schwar@oz.plymouth.edu (Jeffrey A. Schwartz)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.


Sunday River opened for skiing on Nov 1 with three trails (Sunday
Punch, Right Stuff, and Ecstasy) .  
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: fineman@kronos-arclan.arc.nasa.gov (Charles Fineman)
Subject: Ski Swap at De Anza?
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:17:50 GMT


Did I see someone here post about a Ski Swap at De Anza College in the
near future (this comming weekend??) 
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From: hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:40:44 GMT
Organization: EDS Research, Albuquerque, NM

In article <1992Nov5.042544.6853@netcom.com> allyn@netcom.com (allyn) writes:
>Recently, a homophobic anti gay rights referendum was passed by the voters
>in the state of Colorado. 
>
>Myself, along with many others, especially in some of the motss news
>groups strongly urge everyone to BOYCOTT Colorado.
>
>If you feel you must ski in places such as Aspen and Veil, please
>consider alternitives such as Utah, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, or
>British Columbia.
>
>We must send a strong economic message to Colorado that what they did
>was wrong!
>
>Remember! Boycott Colorado!!

Jeeze, it's getting hard to be the new-age sensitive guy that I obviously
am, and still have a good time!  Last year it was boycott Utah for their
conservative stance on abortion.  And how can you ski Idaho with a good
concience with all those nazis in Coeur d'Alene?  And Canada just rejected
the proposition to allow Quebec the status as a "separate culture," so
they're apparently a bunch of bigot pigs.  I don't know about Oregon and
Washington, but there *must* be something politically incorrect that
someone has done there.  What's a mutha to do?

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
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From: JPP00070@acuvax.acu.edu (Pak Jae-Hyung Peter)
Subject: Conditions in BC
Organization: Abilene Christian University, Abilene, TX
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:46:31 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

I'm here in Texas going to school.

I'll be going home for winter break and I'm hoping to get some time to go 
skiing.

Can anyone tell me what the conditions are/will be at Whistler/Blackcomb.

Any price increases?  Probably.  :(

Thanks

Peter

BTW: Homosexuals are NOT a minority group and they should not be given any 
     minority rights.  They should be treated with the respect one would give
     any person and that is alot better than being treated as a minority.
     I may not agree with your values and ideas but that doesn't mean we 
     can't *love* each other.  <hehehehehehehe>

Colorada skiing is great!  I don't plan to boycott it unless they discriminate
against the spotted owl.  <hehehehehehehe>

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From: meniconi@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (carlo nicola meniconi)
Subject: WANTED info on Innsbruck
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:09:16 GMT

I would like to have some informations about Innsbruck city and the nearest 
skiing localities. If anyone knows about New Year's parties in that zone please send me information .
							 THANK
							 NICK
						 meniconi@pluto.sm.dsi.unimi.it

From: jonw@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Jon Wade)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:54:37 GMT
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT: Boycott Colorado
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, launce@apollo.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate) writes:

>*extremely valuable* bandwidth that wanna-be comedians like Klaus
>Biggles (cardinal, as it were) keep foisting on *MY* precious
>newsgroup!!!!!  I mean, it was funny at first, -- I don't want anybody
>to get the wrong idea that I'm a humourless prig -- Of course I like a
>good chuckle now and again.  But people like Klaus and Bob Geer and
>and those other assorted jokers from Utah oughta CUT IT OUT because
>it's really really really really really really really bugging me and I
>don't know how to get a killfile started.
	
>Hmmph...

>Exasperatedly, 

>| _, launce gouw * internet: launce@apollo.med.utah.edu * ooniversity of ootah 
>|(_) medical center * department of human genetics *   palace of the brine
>___) we apologise for the previous opinions. those responsible have been sacked


Relax, if you get this worked up about a little harmless humor I'd hate to
see you when something serious like getting a baseshot on your skiis happens
. 

This is supposed to be FUN!
JON
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Ski Day Report, 12 November 92
Date: 13 Nov 92 10:01:39 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder


				       
			Loveland skiing, 12 November 92
	  Copyright 1992 by Stephen S. Hultquist, all rights reserved


The snow was falling heavily almost the entire way up Clear Creek canyon, and
by the time we hit Georgetown, I was certainly glad we were riding four new
studded snows.  Loveland was getting dumped on, and we humped through the new
snow at 8:30, changed excitedly, and were on the first lift up.

We ripped the entire mountain in 12-24" of fresh powder, my early season legs
screaming from the first run.  Face shots galore!

NOT!

Ok.  So it wasn't quite that sweet...  But...

My brother Tom and I arrived at Loveland at 08:22 yesterday morning, and we met
net.person Dennis Preston at a little after nine (we'd already had our first
run of the day).  Dennis was out for his second day of the season, Tom and I
our first.  Loveland had lifts 1 and 6 open at the Basin, and they are planning
to open 2 and maybe 4 this weekend.

The natural snowcover was quite good, and, except for a few Killingtons (those
nasty, icy, yucky patches that make skiing over manmade snow really tricky),
the skiing was great.  My legs really did start burning on the first run (ok,
so I didn't work out like I should have, ok?!?!), and Tom and Dennis wanted to
hammer back-to-back ttbs (top-to-bottoms).  Tom, Dennis, and I were pretty well
matched in ability, and skied most of the trails that were open.

Dennis left at about noon to go back to work (!), and Tom and I broke for
lunch.  After a conference call with six other people at IBM (!), we ate lunch,
then headed back out.  During lunch, Loveland openned a couple of the slopes
north of chair 6, and Tom and I played in some cut-up powder (about a foot's
worth) -- bummer, eh, Dennis?!

Best run of the day:  The run Dennis let me ski his Dynastar Verticals
Powder shots:  Royal Flush and the edge of NixNox

By about 2:30, the snow was rolling in and Tom was getting nervous about
driving in it, so we left.  I know we skied for less than $1/run ($18 lift
ticket at King Soopers), and I got more than enough for my first day out ("Now,
Honey, remind me how this NordicTrak works?"), and I'm looking forward to next
week, when the Salmiester, Dennis, Barb, Cindi, and me will be somewhere in
Summit County....

Cheers!  ...and *good skiing*...
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Computer drone, powder churner                                     ISSC Boulder
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: Bill Webster <wrw1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Is Killington Open
X-Xxdate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 09: 56:15 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: wrw1@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:50:13 GMT

Subject: Is Killington Open
From: John Pollock, jp4o+@andrew.cmu.edu
Date: Wed,  4 Nov 1992 13:58:01 -0500
In article <cey1otK00WBOQ4_l08@andrew.cmu.edu> John Pollock,
jp4o+@andrew.cmu.edu writes:
>Are Killington, Sugarbush or Stowe open?
>
>Slopes and conditions?
>
>Thanks
>
Killington has been open for over 3 weeks.  I skied there last Monday on
2 trails.  Hunter is also open!
From: lance@hartmann.austin.ibm.com (Lance Hartmann)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Summary: Boycotting Colorado due to passage of Amendment 2
Keywords: boycott colorado homosexuality
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:58:30 GMT
Reply-To: lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1992Nov5.152501.8576@cbfsb.cb.att.com> bep1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (bentz.e.puryear) writes:
>From article <1992Nov5.042544.6853@netcom.com>, by allyn@netcom.com (allyn):
>> Recently, a homophobic anti gay rights referendum was passed by the voters
>> in the state of Colorado. 
>> 
>> Myself, along with many others, especially in some of the motss news
>> groups strongly urge everyone to BOYCOTT Colorado.
>[STUFF DELETED]
>
>I live in Denver and there is alot of talk about Amendment 2. The amendment
>as I understand it does not allow Gay's minority status. It does not say
>anything bad about Gay's. In the Rocky Mountain News an artical written about
>how upset the Gay Groups are, reads:
>
>	Amendment 2, the initiative that probhibits protected status
>	for homosexuals.

Here is the proposed AMENDMENT to Article 2 of the Colorado State Constitution
which from the Colorado ballot in November, 1992...

  " Neither the State of Colorado through any of its branches or 
    departments, nor any of its agencies, political subdivisions, 
    municipalities, or school districts, shall enact, adopt, or enforce 
    any statute, regulation, ordinance, or policy whereby homosexual, 
    lesbian, or bisexual orientation, conduct, practices, or relationships 
    shall constitute or otherwise be the basis of, or entitle any person or
    class of persons to have or claim any minority status or claim
                                                          ^^^^^^^^
    of discrimination."
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

As you can plainly see, it's NOT just an issue of "protected status"
but discrimination PERIOD.  In a sense, this measure actually legislates
prejudice.  Gays/lesbians aren't complaining about preferential treatment -
they just don't want to be axed for being themselves.

I DO have sympathy for the many, many people who voted against the measure;
nonetheless, I cannot ethically contribute one red cent to support the
economic base of a state with homophobic laws.  SKI ANYWHERE BUT COLORADO!

While I grant that the original intent of the posting did have some merit
for posting to this group, I've adjusted the follow-up to something
more appropriate, like "soc.motss".  Not being unsympathetic, let's avoid
any further discussions here in "rec.skiing".  If anyone wants to flame it
out, go elsewhere please...

Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com)
               Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
All statements, comments, opinions, etc. herein reflect those of the author
and shall NOT be miscontrued as those of IBM or anyone else for that matter.
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: BIGFEET
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:24:51 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

Are you sure you're not thinking of Snow Runners?  Snow Runners are like skates
for snow, Bigfeet are really short, fat skis (about 80cm, I think).
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Computer drone, powder churner                                     ISSC Boulder
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: Changes at Alta - Doom
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:33:23 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Nov10.164717.1500@edsr.eds.com> hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg) writes:
>
>
>Ah, Bob, good buddy, you miss the point!  Alta will never be the wonderous
>experience we remember from 20 years ago.  The whole experience has been
>ruined, and I'm pretty pissed about it.  Those of you who thought to
>capture a bit of the Alta mistique--forget it!  The fact that you no longer
>have to kick across the flats from the rope tow to GMD just really ruins it

The same thing happened at Crested Butte, when a poma was added
eliminating the 45 minute traverse to the north face.  What used
to be steep, literally bottomless powder skiing is now just another
mediocre bump-slope.   You might as well go to Keystone.  (I'm tired of
picking on Vail.)
-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: malc9336@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Brian Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Salt Lake City - Lodging
Date: 9 Nov 1992 18:47:49 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.9.13


Hello,

My family and I will be driving out to Salt Lake City in early January.
We are planning on staying about one week and are not looking to be 
tied to any ski area in particular.

Your comments on low-end lodging (cheapish, but not to the extent of
being a sh*t hole) in the SLC area would be most appreciated.

Thank you.

Brian Malcolm
malc9336@miller.cs.uwm.edu

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rvele@ctp.com (Raymond Velez)
Subject: atomic 733 skiis
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Distribution: us
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:16:43 GMT

	 Can anyone give me a recommendation on the atomic 733 slalom
skii>  They are 1991, and still in the package and I was wondering if
I should make an offer.  I ski mogules and I userd to race, I guess I
am an advanced skier.  Thanks in advance.
                 
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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Changes at Alta - Doom
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:26:12 GMT

dwarren@couloir.Eng.Sun.COM (Doug Warren) writes:
>In article 98744@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct22.225559.19736@univel.com> jason@univel.com writes:
>>>Additionally, Sugarloaf is now a triple chair.
>>
>>Lets see.  This year we have
>>   - a new triple chair at Alta (the second in three years)
>>   - easier rope tow access to the north woods of Alta
>>Am I the only one who sees the tragedy in all this?
>>You can't have both easy access and good snow.  Period.

>Yes, good snow is worth waiting (and hiking) for.  I have always
>treasured Alta for it's slow lifts and limited accessibility.  

Germ & the 'loaf aren't much if any faster, just triple chairs.  Yes,
Glory Hole & Ballroom will get skied out faster (tho not by much).  On
the other hand, you still have to climb for the 'castle, Catharine's,
Eddie's, Gunsight, & Baldy Shoulder, & negotiate the High Traverse.
So, not even close to all the work is done for you.

Besides, Vail & Aspen have deeper snow, better discos, & cooler people.

(yeah, right!  Heh heh heh!)
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<>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 09:07:33 -0500 
From: "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: re: help (don't buy skis yet!)


Unless you're going to ski a LOT (which I recommend) don't buy your skis
yet...Lessons - great idea!! Good fitted boots - would be a worthwhile
investment so your feet will be comfortable...when you RENT your skis for
a while...It is the only way to sample a variety of skis to see what you 
really like...

It does take a while until you've got enough ski days under your belt to
be able to distinguish various skis. If you want to save bucks, then do
what I did my first season. Get a friend who skis well to help you buy an
ultra-cheap pair of used rentals that are in decent shape and ski those
into oblivion...feel free to run over rocks but don't hit anything larger
than your fist. Use the money you save to put into lift tickets and lessons.
You ought to be able to buy a pair of used rentals with bindings, boots,
and poles for about $100-150 bucks especially if you get them from a large
rental place that is not actually at the resort. If you can, ski them first
especially to check out the boot fit. By the time those skis are thoroughly
pulverized you will be able to rent some performance skis and feel the
differences between different pairs. 

When you do get to the point where a sizable investment in skis makes sense,
Play around with renting different lengths and styles and obstinately buy 
what you like regardless of what the magazines (or anyone else) says.

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jle@fc.hp.com
 (Jer/ Eberhard)
Subject: Re: Phone #'s for Colo. ski conditions.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:46:21 GMT
Distribution: cu
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Workstation Kernel, Ft. Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.1 PL6]

Mark Shin (shin@news.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
> Does anyone have a list of phone numbers for Colo. ski 
> conditions?  I'm hoping that there is one for the Summit
> areas and a few more for Vail, Steamboat and Crusty Butt.

> Thanks in advance for any available info.

From my archive, phone numbers from last year:

303 831-7669 Colorado Ski Country downhill ski report
303 573-SNOW(7669) Eastern Mountain Sports X-Country ski report
303 639-1515 National Weather Service Travel and Recreation forecast
303 639-1111 Colorado State Patrol road conditions (west of I-25)
303 639-1234 Colorado State Patrol road conditions (east of I-25)
303 236-9435 U.S. Forest Service avalanche and significant weather repor
303 393-7669/831-7669/671-7669 SNOW BBS 1200 baud

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Phone 303 229-2861, FAX 303 229-2838, 1UP10, Incoming 40 44.1N+105 33.0W
Civil Air Patrol, Pikes Peak 218, MSN Check Pilot, CFI Airplane & Glider, N0FZD