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From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:44:36 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <34217@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>
>I remember it well.  The A3000 was introduced on April 24, 1990.  At the 
>introduction, it was scheduled to ship in mid June.  It shipped in mid June,
>on the 18th as I recall, with 2.00.  2.04 came along later, sure, but that's
>because it was decided at some point that we would wait until 2.04 was ready
>before any ROM machines were upgraded.  Much of this was based on compatibility
>issues.
>
>-- 
>Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests"

	And remember, another two weeks will mark the 1st anniversary of
Workbench 2.04, which arrived in dealer mailboxes at the end of August,
1991. CBM was busy keeping with upgrades of the 2.0x OS until they felt
they were done updating it. There have been demo/rumors of 2.1, supposedly
to 'bring it all together'. 

	When 2.04 came out, I erased 1.3 because I was 99% compatible. I am
happy with how CBM has been handling the upgrades even though there has
been a wait for 2.04 roms. But waiting for good roms are better than 
getting bad roms.


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From: "thomas napier" <thomas.napier@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: new toys..dave
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:34:58 EST
Reply-To: "thomas napier" <thomas.napier@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


-> >So, Dave, how well does it work with that wonderful, under-NDA machine on
-> >your desk?  :)
-> 
-> I have a tricked-out A2500 on my desk.  What you want to know about is the stuf
-> 
-> on my lab bench :-)...
-> --
-> Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests"

Where does he get those wonderful toys.....
 
 
Jack Napier


Sorry about the title (XXXXXX hiya Dave! ect.) I'm on Usenet via a PCBoard
system out of Toronto, so I have to send messages addressed to all, its a
kludge but it works, and its relatively cheap.
 
ttyl
    Tom Napier

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:28:17 GMT

>-Sorry, Peter.  But OS/2 CAN run AmigaOS applications.  Only they are called
>-OS/2 applications.
>
>Mr. Schwartz is about to join: The Few... the Proud... the Killfile Entries!
>Banished... To the Phantom Zone/Twilight Zone/Forbidden zone... take your

 	You mean the Falcon 3.0/Wing Commander II/Aces of the Pacific zone.

>Jason Nyberg                Amiga... The Eagle Talon of computers
>nyberg@ctron.com

 	I can see the TKKC is getting competition now.  This JNKC could
        become a threat.

							G.Greene
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Eyecatching Titles, LTD.
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:35:21 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>If CBM drops it tomorrow

...I'll try to sell mine as quick as I can.

There's nothing worse than last year's gadget. Wait...what I meant
was there nothing worse than last year's computer.

And nothing truer than that will ever be put on .advocacy
From: al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: ***** V39+/WB 3.0 SPECIFICATIONS *****
Date: 15 Aug 92 23:00:53 GMT

gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>Applaud while you can.  I, for one, hope they hang these people by
>their own power cords.

>Greg

NO NO NO NO NO!!! Lets be more specific here. Lets rephrase that.

You actually hope that they get hung by their balls.

Right!

-Gus
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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: MPC WORLD review Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 00:51:41 GMT

fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>>Many people said July/August MPC WORLD magazine compared CDTV and CDI
>>>[...]
>>    "This breed is so new that only two systems are currently available:
>>   Commodore's CDTV and Philips' CD-I.  Of the two, Philips Imagination
>>   Machine is clearly superior.  [...]"
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Well we know where they intend to receive most of their advertising
> dollars from:  Mega Buck Phillips Corp.

The only trouble is, it wouldn't explain away similar opinions in other
magazines where Philips would never advertise.

It also couldn't explain why Consumer Reports used CD-I titles as good
examples of the possibilities and CDTV titles as poor examples.

And it can't explain why an Amiga mag (.INFO) said CD-I was better.

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 15:19:02 GMT

In <64464@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>As I use the fonts in documents, in the title bar of a screen, or
>whatever in the system, the fonts always look pretty good on the
>screen, at whatever pointsize, at whatever resolution. This scaling
>happens behind the scenes. This doesn't really happen very easily
>on the Amiga, mostly because the OS doesn't handle this very well
>(inotherwords, it doesn't have the equivalent of the adobe type 
>manager built in). 

So what you say is: Adobe Fonts scale better than CG fonts. Nothing else.
However, that is not my experience, I can use CG fonts as nicely as any
other font. The question is: what type of CG fonts did you try ?
The Workbench supplied ones (scale good), those from Agfa/HP (scale good)
or the converted Postscript fonts with stripped hints found on
some ftp sites (look ugly when scaled) ?

>The OS handles printing, and handles the integration of the
>fonts into the printer driver. This is the *huge* piece that
>is missing from AmigaDOS and the printer device. The "missing
>link" is what makes most Amiga Word processor's output look
>pretty awful.

You say: Amiga word processor output looks aweful because they don't
render with highres fonts.
In my experience that is NOT true. The wordprocessors I know either
use the printer builtin fonts or use an Amiga font (or their own
vector fonts). If that Amiga font is a bitmap font and the program
just sends a screendump to the printer you are right: the output looks
aweful. But any good wordprocessor does not use this technique.

>When you use AmigaDOS, you're thinking screen font versus
>printer output. When you use Windows/OS2/Anythingelse you
>just use the fonts, and it looks like $1M on your laser
>printer.

Never thought this way. When we only had bitmaps I just needed bitmaps
in a specific resolution (and usually lacked them). With CG fonts
I can use them for everything.

Regards,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story )
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Originator: eas3714@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:16:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.031309.12258@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.165714.23880@ultb.isc.rit.edu> eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story ) writes:
>>In article <Bsuu9G.I89@starnine.com> mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
>>>In article <3484@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>>>>mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>>
>>>>  The prison system doesn't reform criminals, parole doesn't work either.  All
>>>>it does is prevent overcrowding.
>>>Doesn't even do that.  We need more jails.  We need a judicial system
>>>that cares more about you and me than the bastards that commit crimes.
>>
>>Sounds nice doesn't it?  Feel good doesn't it?  Too bad it works worse
>>than our present system.
>
>What would you propose then?

*I* don't have to propose ANYTHING!  Mike is the one proposing
violations of human rights.  There are such things as the rights of the
accused.  (I should have been more clear with my statement above, tho,
sorry).

>
>And it is incredible that you you are so certain it would fail when
>the level of prosecution Mike Haas speaks of isn't implemented.  Good grief,
>we aren't supposed to be NICE to criminals!  Fear of the consequences can
>be an excellent deterrent, providing that the 'consequeces' are right.

Oh, effective.. perhaps.. Moral?  no way.  Check out Japan's judicial
system.  Yes, they have a 95% conviction rate, yes they have a very low
crime rate, and yes, they are continually guilty of human rights abuses
within this same judicial system.  

Do you realize that if someone accuses you of something you didn't do, you
have about a 1% chance of beating it (in Japan)?  

>
>>>All we really need for a jail is a barbed wire fence and armed guards at the
>>>corners.  Anything else is too good for the scum.
>>
>>I could give numerous examples of people who fit in a grey area that you
>>apparently dont beleive exists.  Another feel good solution?
>
>You cannot be a fence-sitter.  You have to make a choice.

I don't have to send people convicted of involuntary manslaughter to a 
prison of Mike Haas's description.  I know its a cliche, but doing the
things Mike suggests would make the Judicial system as bad as the
criminals.  Hell, we already have cops crossing the line... Wanna take a
guess at what will happen if WE have a conviction rate of 95% and
prisons that treat people like dogs?  Cops and others who abuse their power
will have even more power to blackmail ordinary citizens.

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:51:41 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Aug15.183745.17055@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes:
>In article <mykes.0cbt@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>>
>>You can drag OS/2 windows partially offscreen.  Something sorely missing
>
>I thought that AmigaDOS had virtual screens that could be larger
>than the physical size.  If that's the case, why couldn't you drag
>a window off the physical screen?

Yes.  Lately I've been running with a 1008x1024 Workbench and not only
can you drag the windows off screen, the Workbench will automatically
(and VERY snappily) scroll in that direction if the mouse heads near
it.

It's great.
From: pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: People, CALM DOWN!
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:47:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: ipl.193619
Distribution: world
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Image Processing Lab

In article <1992Aug19.080347.1108@agora.uucp>, tinman@agora.uucp (David Tinnyo) writes:
>>
>>I don't think most schools have EE's and CS's taking exactly the same kind of
>>mathematics.  When I was in school (not exactly the dark ages, but getting
>>there), CS was actually taught as a mathematics tract, not as a separate major.
>>You can't get much more mathematical than that in your CS.  Both EE and Math
> 
> You must have gone to the same school as me, Dave (Carnegie-Mellon).  Actually,
> I thought CMU was unique in putting the CS BS under the Mathematics dept.
> It seemed to have a lot to do with the general feeling that they didn't
> consider CS a "real" degree until post-grad.

Nope, it's not unique.  A lot of schools have trouble figuring out just
where to place CS majors.  The University of Illinois solved this problem by
creating two CS degrees--an Engineering CS degree and a Mathematics CS
degree.  The University of Missouri solved it by creating a Computer Engi-
neering degree in the Engineering Dept., and a CS degree in the Math Dept.
Other schools have adopted similar plans.  (I should note here that my
information is out-of-date by some years and things may have changed at
these schools).

What's even more fun is trying to figure out what a Computer Engineering
degree is.  Depending on the school you go to, it can be anything from
an EE degree to a CS degree--depending on their emphasis on hardware/
software.

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From: kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:59:38 GMT
Organization: Committee to Assassinate Dan Stephenson  :-)

In article <1992Aug15.042805.29891@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.031501.19194@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>
>>--------------------------------------------------
>>    "Beware the ides of September..."
>
>Ides of September?? In dictionary ides mean day fifteen of March, May
>July, October.  You mean TIDES of September? Iowa has ocean?!?

Ah, Jeff, my friend... you don't disappoint.

This is yet another one of your posts that suggests nothing other than that
you've become crazed with syphilis.  Oh, the humanity.
-- 
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  "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.
   Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet." - Montgomery Burns
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:21446 comp.sys.amiga.applications:6598 comp.sys.amiga.programmer:12335
From: cunniff@cup.portal.com (Ross Alan Cunniff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: Why are there no DR2D docs?
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:15:34 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Steve Davis writes:
>I posted a message two days ago asking for information on the IFF
>DR2D specification.  DR2D is the 2-d structured art specification
>that many programs are now adopting.  I have a utility I want to
>write but I have no information on creating or parsing DR2D forms!

Look on page 449 of the Devices RKM.  The DR2D docs are there, as
well as all of the other IFF specifications (ILBM, ANIM, etc.).  Why
Commodore chose the Devices manual to put them in *is* a little
puzzling (although, that is where the clipboard.device specs are,
which reccomends IFF for clipboard usage).

>But what surprised me is that I didn't get a single response.  Not
>even one person even bothered to reply that they were looking for
>information as well.

Ever consider that your message didn't propagate?  I never saw it
myself.

>This has to be the reason why we don't see a lot of killer apps for
>the Amiga.  There is no help for new programmers.

As far as help for new programmers go, we at Stylus are developing
source code that uses iffparse.library to read and write DR2D files.
If you ask nicely, we might let you beta test it.

>Thanks for nothing.

You are quite welcome.

>Stratocaster

Ross Cunniff
President, Stylus, Inc.
cunniff@cup.portal.com
From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Talk about obsoletes.....
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 03:09:25 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

In article <Paula_Lieberman.06hq@amicol.UUCP>
Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:

| Rick Kelly said he was thinking about a Sun-3 [used by definition.

Not necessarily true.  I bought a brand-new Sun-3/60 last October, still
in its factory-sealed boxes.

And one can (probably) find new, boxed systems from outfits such as
Leasemetrics and other Sun-related companies, VARs, ISVs, etc.

| Sun dropped its 68xxx support, not just the manufacture of machines based on
| them, a while ago....].  Is anyone is in the business of keeping up with OS
| upgrades for them?   Sun isn't.......

What's your point?

I helped Accolade earlier this year set up a Sun-3/60 as a network file server
for their Amigas (and later used also for their Macs and IBMs).  It works like
a champ for things like this since its Ethernet is so good.

With SunOS 4.1.1 (the last for the Sun-3 family) there's not much that needs
to be upgraded.  I have two home Sun-3 systems (one color and one mono, so
I can see how X apps will appear on any clients' systems), with over 1GB of
VERY fast HDs (from Quantum, HP, Fujitsu), Panasonic CD-ROMs, QIC-24, QIC-150
and Exabyte 8mm tape drives, etc. all working perfectly, and they remain up
for 6 months at a time (i.e. they're reliable and mature).  About the only
thing I don't have is /dev/audio support; for that I use my Amigas or SGI
boxes! :-)

All software from the net runs just fine on the Suns (GNU, Mit X, whatever).
X-apps running on H-P Snakes display perfectly on the Suns, and vice versa.

And I'm buying 6 more Sun-3 tomorrow (Friday) for use as X-terminals at my
office because they're the most cost-effective solution for my needs.

Far from obsolete.  A better word would be "mature."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: amiga rules!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:26:12 GMT

In <1992Aug20.040919.24292@wam.umd.edu> gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) writes:
>Also,are you sure that the 6502 was never in the C64??  Maybe in older models
>or something?

The C64 always had a 6510. The difference between the two chips is that
the 6510 has a 6bit port that was used for controlling the Datasette.

Regards,
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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Crime Re: Perot?
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:40:34 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange


   PLEASE GET ALL POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS >>OUT<< OF ADVOCACY. Thanks.

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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: MPC WORLD review Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 05:58:47 GMT

Jeff Young writes:
>Many people said July/August MPC WORLD magazine compared CDTV and CDI (not
>Nintendo).  Someone please post copy of review?

June/July.  And it wasn't a review, but a quick "first-impressions" thing,
as their strange main intent was to compare MPC systems to every known
entertainment device, as if MPCs would replace them all.  Weird.  In any
case, this is what they wrote specifically about CDTV vs CD-I:

    "This breed is so new that only two systems are currently available:
  Commodore's CDTV and Philips' CD-I.  Of the two, Philips Imagination
  Machine is clearly superior.  Although Commodore offers more than 100
  CDTV titles, almost all of them are poorly designed or just plain dumb
  and have annoying interfaces, with audio and animation apparently added
  as an afterthought.  Of all the titles, only the witty puzzle game
  Lemmings (included with the CDTV and also available on other platforms)
  is any fun.  One very good game cannot justify laying out $999 plus
  $40 to $60 per title, however.
    "Philips' $1000 CD-I system is vastly more sophisticated.  Its clever
  programming helps to minimize the built-in disadvantages of CD-ROM.
  For instance, instead of displaying a blank screen while the system
  accesses the disk, the scene freezes and dissolves into a new one.
  The result is real-time interruption-free animation, wonderful audio,
  and a terrific sense of what this next generation of systems can offer.
  Under CD-I, old favorites like Battleship take on new life -- featuring
  vintage video footage of ships firing ear-shattering rockets and crystal
  clear audio indicating whether the shot was a hit or a miss."

Obviously their prices were out of date, but that's pretty common in articles.
Oh, and please stop putting several amiga groups in your distribution line...
people who are interested will search out these topics.

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: nyberg@ctron.com (Jason William Nyberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:28:26 GMT


-In article <9531@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
-> In article <1992Aug13.143604.29158@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
->  >addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
->  >>>
->  >>>Binary compatibility with DOS and Windows executables.
->  >>>
->  >>Some might consider this to be a disadvantage. :-)
->  >
->  >Nevertheless, it's a feature that is missing from AmigaDOS.
->
-> So I feel free to imitate your attitude and state that it's a great
-> failure and missing feature of OS/2 that it cannot run AmigaOS applications.
->

-Sorry, Peter.  But OS/2 CAN run AmigaOS applications.  Only they are called
-OS/2 applications.

Mr. Schwartz is about to join: The Few... the Proud... the Killfile Entries!
Banished... To the Phantom Zone/Twilight Zone/Forbidden zone... take your
pick.  To remain until a sufficient number of followups to reasonable articles
cross my screen.  I have been here a long time, and I remember when Mike supported
Amiga.  I also understand his current attitude (towards Commodore.)
Mike, you ought to re-read this entire post,  from the first entry in the 
thread to this one.  Then think about whether your addition was really
neccessary.  I know this one wasn't, but I hardly ever post, so I don't
feel guilty.  Your posts have taken on a distinct Mark Barret ((tm) The
concept, not the person)  odor, and it's time to sprinkle the Carpet Fresh
over c.s.a.a

You should have an -MS- somewhere in your .sig.

-> This is ridiculous, isn't it?

This is comp.sys.amiga.advocacy.  What do you expect? :)

->
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-> 				   or  peterk@public.sub.org

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