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From: JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: CNN latin american news
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:25:42 GMT
 <1992Sep15.075313.16212@phcomgw.seri.philips.nl>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Sep15.075313.16212@phcomgw.seri.philips.nl>,
grimaldo@tokyo.seri.philips.nl (Emilio Grimaldo) says:
>
>  I think CNN does NOT (should we call it NOT instead?) have a decent, regular
>coverage of latin american news, as if it were not part of the american
>continent. There is a lot going on there and unless they just want to ignore
>it I do not think it is fair to leave people uninformed of their immediate
>vicinity.
>  Anyway, in the 5 years I lived in the USA I never saw proper coverage of
>  central/south american news, yet on "third world" countries you usually
>  see some good coverage of international news 'just to keep you tuned in
>  to the harsh reality of the world...'
>                   No offense intended to anybody.
>                          Emilio

 If a news item from *anywhere* in the world is of international
importance or has a direct bearing on the affairs of the USA, said
news item is given coverage. Granted that some stations do a better
job than others.

 This method of selective news-reporting is not just an "American Thing".
It is also practiced in some countries in Europe. I have had opportunity
to see Spanish and Italian television, and their methodology is very
similar to American tv.

 I can't speak for the rest of world, but I would not be surprised if
many more countries in Europe, Asia and even (gasp !) Latin America
used this same style.

 And just like Emilio, it isn't my intention to offend anybody, but
rather share with you what I have seen in other countries.

-- Jose L. Martinez --
From: mossiar@soc4.acpub.duke.edu (Dante Mossi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Honduras and El Salvador border suit in Hague
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:58:55 GMT

Does anyone knows what the verdict of the international court says about the
border problem of Honduras and El Salvador?
Please let me know, I live in a region where news of latin America are very scarce.
Thanks.
           Dante Mossi/Duke University
           mossiar@acpub.duke.edu
From: mb8s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Melanie Lea Barton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Sendero Luminosos refugees
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:20:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.gefaeUG00iUx87L19h
Organization: Doctoral student, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I am requesting any information on the following topics:
Sendero Luminoso and refugee migration from the countryside to Lima
Young female migration to Lima to find jobs in light industry
Rural to urban migration of women in Peru in general

I would appreciate any information that anyone can give me or if you
know someone who I can contact in the U.S. or in Peru concerning these
topics.

Gracias!
Melanie Barton (Carnegie-Mellon University)
From: ez007834@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Camarada Gonzalo (Peru)
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:00:39 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Associated press has just reported that the terrorist of al terrorist in Peru,
Abimail Guzman, leader of the genocidic Communist Party of Peru was arrested
in his middle class home, where he  was hiding from authorities.  News reports
also indicate that the leaders of the Cuban sponsored MRTA guerillas were also
captured.  Any other  news surrounding these delightful events?

Edelmiro Salas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: lazaro@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Lazaro Nunez)
Subject: Re: Clinton on Cuba
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:46:49 GMT

In article <Bu9wuB.Iys@acsu.buffalo.edu> romeu@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jorgeluis Romeu) writes:
>si el gobierno Estadounidense se cree que va a tener el apoyo de los Cubanos
>exiliados (cuando empieze a bombardear a Cuba y a matar a los familiares de
>tales) creo que esta equivocado.  Despues de todo, comunistas o no , SOMOs
>Cubanos.
>	Finalmente , creo que seria un error politico para los EEUU invadir
>a Cuba, ya qeu entonces de verdad se podra acusar de imperialistas.  
>	El Problema de Cuba lo resolveran los Cubanos EN Cuba, no los de 
>afuera.  Nosotros lo que podremos hacer es ayudar a reconstruir al pais.
>                    
>
>JRB     

Los cubanos no les tenemos que estar pidiendo a nadie que invada a nuestro
pais. Jorge Luis tiene razon, el problema cubano debe ser resuelto entre
cubanos, aunque el exilio tiene todo el derecho a tomar parte tambien. 
Bastantes an~os hemos sufrido de dictaduras de izquierda y derecha para caer 
en lo mismo: invasion americana, enmienda Platt, gobierno titere al servicio 
de los EE.UU., Castro II. Una vez que alcancemos la democracia, tenemos la 
obligacion de crear una sociedad de la que nos sintamos orgullosos.

-- 
| Lazaro Nun~ez Figueiral         ||  !Lloran sobre el Mar de Cuba	     |
| Memorial University of Nfld.    ||  enormes flores bermejas;	             |
| St. John's, Terranova, Canada.  ||  sobre la isla perdida	   	     |
| lazaro@odie.cs.mun.ca           ||  el aire amarillo tiembla! - F.G. Lorca |
From: flynn@Chaos.mcs.kent.edu (Mark Flynn)
Subject: Re: Hay solo dos paises en America Latina?
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:16:00 GMT

In article <17037@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez007834@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>>JAMAS lucho contra la dictadura de pinocho, sino que LE AYUDO.  
>
>Si lees bien yo nuncha hable de la dictadura de Pinochet (que ahora ha sido 
>ligitimizada por todo el pueblo chileno cuando apoyo la Constitucion que lo 
>tiene en las Fuerzas Armadas) sino que hablaba sobre la dictadura totalitaria 
>que estaba implementando el Partido Comunista Chileno junto al Movimiento de 
>Izquierda Revoulucionaria.  En esos dias los cubanos en el exilio acogieron con 
>los brazos abiertos a los que huian de Chile.  ?O es que crees que todo el 
>mundo que salio de Chile huyendole a la represion lo hizo despues del golpe?  
>?Acaso no sabias que muchos se fueron HUYENDOLE A ALLENDE ANTES DEL GOLPE y se 
>fueron a sitios como mi viejo San Juan donde tantos suen~os forje en mis an~os 
>de infancia?
>

Pero hay una ligera differencia aqui. Puedo creer que, como el gobierno de
Allende estaba empezando nacionalizar unas industrias de Chile, que algunos
huieron de este Pais POR RAZONES ECOMOMICAS. Y esto no tiene nada que ver
con los que huteron de el Chile del facha Pinochet porque les estaban
matando.

Mark Flynn

Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: frichard@cecux1.cec.uchile.cl (Francisca Richard Marchant)
Subject: Viajar a estudiar Ingle's
Originator: frichard@cecux1
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:11:50 GMT
Organization: Centro de Computacion, Universidad de Chile

Hola todos!
           Soy estudiante de 5to an~o de ingenieria en computacio'n.
           en la Universidad de Chile.

           Hace tiempo que averiguo posibilidades de viajar a un
           pais de habla inglesa para perfeccionar mi ingles.
           Mi idea es ir por 2 o 3 meses durante nuestro verano,
           (dic,ene,feb). En las instituciones especializadas en
           este tipo de viajes me han propuesto estupendas posi-
           bilidades; clases en universidad, alojamiento en residen-
           cia universitaria, paseos, etc...
               PERO... los precios son muy elevados.

           Si alguien puede enviarme informacion para poder viajar
           y aprender al maximo (tengo mucho estudio pero poca prac-
           tica del idioma), se lo agradecere'. Pienso que debe ser 
           posible viajar por mi cuenta, vivir en alguna residencia 
           para estudiantes o casa de familia y tomar cursos de idioma
           en alguna universidad barata, pero no cuento con la informa-   
           cion para hacerlo. 
  
          _________________________________________________________ 
         /____/_ ) /_\ |\ |       Francisca Richard Marchant      /
        /    /  \ /   \| \|        frichard@dcc.uchile.cl        / 
        ________________________________________________________/;)
-- 
          _________________________________________________________ 
         /____/_ ) /_\ |\ |       Francisca Richard Marchant      /
        /    /  \ /   \| \|        frichard@dcc.uchile.cl        / 
        ___________________________frichard@vandi.ars.cl________/;)
From: valdes+@CS.CMU.EDU (Raul Valdes-Perez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: tren de SJ para Limon?
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:50:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BuD7sC.8pv.1
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

?Alguien sabe si el tren que va de San Jose, Costa Rica hasta
Puerto Limon esta en servicio?  Yo mismo he hecho el viaje, 
pero lei' hace unos anhos que un terremoto habi'a hecho estragos
en la ruta.  Pregunto por un amigo que viaja de turista a CR
muy pronto.

-- 
Raul E. Valdes-Perez		    valdes@cs.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University	    (412) 268-7127
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: Nicaragua today (was Re: The Crimes of Nicaragua (IV))
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:55:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.205540.23451@vexcel.com> dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska) writes:

>True enough.  Allen's persistence (to put it politely) made it difficult
>to leave the earlier issues behind (Allen would probably refer to
>Harel's persistence).

Since harel has been posting this exact same material over and over again
for literally a matter of years I think you would be hard pressed to
call it anything except Harel's persistence.

All I am doing is conducting an experiment to see if harel is actually
concerned about human rights as he claims or not. So far it seems that
he is far more concerned about who is engaged in the abuses than that
abuses are occuring.

This is interesting because it means Harel is acting exactly the same way
as he says the US government is acting.

  Allen
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From: ez007834@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Camarada Gonzalo (Peru)
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:32:08 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In SHIRONO.92Sep14181834@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>Roberto Shironoshita writes:

[stuff deleted]

>The question about what to do with Guzman is a thorny one.  Here are the
>situations I envision:

>  a. Guzman is convicted of high treason, sentenced to death and
>     executed.  This immediately elevates him to the rank of "martyr of
>     the cause".
>  b. Guzman is convicted of high treason, sentenced to death and
>     executed, demoralizing the terrorist group so that it fizzles to
>     extinction.
>  c. Guzman is convicted, sentenced to prison (whatever the term), and
>     sprung by his supporters, dealing a heavy blow to the DIRCOTE.
>  d. Guzman is convicted and held prisoner in a maximum security prison.
>     The restrictions necessary to insure he does not communicate with his
>     group of criminals might be viewed in some circles as violations of
>     his rights.
>  e. Guzman is convicted and exiled.  This course of action could be
>     seen in some groups as an acknowledgment by the government of the
>     validity of Guzman's movement as a political alternative, instead  of
>     an insanely criminal element.
>  f. Guzman is not convicted.  This is possibly the worst outcome to think
>     of.  It would possibly legitimize the terrorist group, but, more
>     importantly cause the people to loose what little respect they have
>     left for the justice system.

>Of these options, I think a and b offer the most effective course for
>Peru's fight against terrorism (I think a is more likely than b).  Even if
>Guzman is called a martyr, it is said much of the organization of SL is due
>to him alone.  Yes, Guzman probably has plans in place for the continuation
[stuff deleted]

Nice comments Roberto.  I'll give you my preference: I would vote for option 
"d".  First, a special prison would be ereceted just for him and a few of  his 
central committee goons, where he would serve a life-in-prison sentence in 
total isolation in a padded cell, and under medical supervision to ensure he 
does not take his life.  The cell should have secret TV surveillance so that 
any morally doubious behaviour is filmed and used as means of showing the 
masses who the real Gonzalo was (remember the video where he had his Jonny 
Walker party?)  Second, the prison should be conspicuously ultra fortified and 
full of booby traps,so that any rescue attempts are thwarted.  This policy 
would ensure that the government does not use the same methods as Sendero 
(i.e., death penalty) to bringo about justice, and at the same time strike a 
huge propaganda blow to the terrorists.  Gonzalo will be an icon of their 
demise.

Edelmiro
easalas@ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: jortiz@frumpy.helios.nd.edu (jose candelaria)
Subject: Re: Dioses
Reply-To: jortiz@frumpy.helios.nd.edu (jose candelaria)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 01:44:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.114600.28132@news.lrz-muenchen.de>, mandel@snoopy.pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Luis Mandel) writes:
|> Hola, Aca tenemos 44 workstations nuevas y queremos ponerles nombres de
|> dioses de culturas latinoamericanas. Los unicos que puedo recordar son:
|> 
|> tlaloc
|> Citlali
|> Paricutin
|> Odosha
|> Pachacamac
|> Inti
|> Viracocha
|> 
|> Alguno podria colaborar con algun otro?
|> 
|> Luis


De las culturas precolombinas centroamericanas puedes incluir
a Quetzalcoatl (serpiente emplumada), Huitzilipotchli [dios
azteca de la guerra] (sic?) y Cuculca'n (sic?).  No
se si Q y C son el mismo dios.

De los dioses antillanos estan Yukiyu' (deidad creadora) y Juraca'n
(deidad destructora, origen de la palabra Huraca'n).  Estos dos
son los nombres que se le daban a esas deidades en Puerto Rico; no
se las variantes en otras antillas.

Son las unicas que recuerdo asi ahora.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: hope@huracan.cr (Theodore Hope)
Subject: Re: Clinton on Cuba
Organization: Proyecto Huracan - Fundacion Nahual / San Jose, Costa Rica
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 16:01:28 CAM

In <16805@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:

> >asesinato de Torrijos aun sever. 
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
> De que me estas hablando.  Primeramente el gobierno de Panama fue electo bajo 
> el noriegato.  Ademas, los panamen~os tendran unas elecciones proximamente 
> donde podran elegir a Ruben Blades para que implemente lo que dice en sus 
> canciones.  Por ultimo, Torrijos murio en un accidente de avion cuando viajaba
> a una de sus islas privadas.  Nadie lo asesino.

Sugiero que leas el libro "Mi General Torrijos" de Jose de Jesus Martinez,
para un poquito de "insight" sobre las circunstancias que rodearon la muerte
de Torrijos.  Segun Chuchu (Martinez), hay amplia evidencia para corroborar
la teoria del asesinato.

--
Theodore Hope / Proyecto Huracan - Fundacion Nahual / San Jose, COSTA RICA
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Nicaragua: New chief of police
Date: 7 Sep 92 04:26:41 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

I have a request to our "human rights" coordinators.  Could you please repost 
the article in which the Pope and the Bishop of Managua (Mr. Ovando y Bravo) 
are CIA agents.  I'm very interested in finding out what's the link between the 
CIA and the church in Nicaragua..  You see, the worst enemy of a comunist or a 
Sandinista is a CIA agent.  And if it happens to be that both are "without 
doubt" CIA agents, this would explain why Mrs. Chamorro has named a priest 
beater as head of the political police in Managua.

Edelmiro
From: ez007834@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Camarada Gonzalo (Peru)
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:28:59 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In <15SEP199203525619@vxcrna.cern.ch> sombody wrote:

>        I'm sorry, but I think that you are celebrating too early.  Even
>the Bush Administration is careful on his analysis.  If Fujimori and his
>police are also in a urge to celebrate, it may be fatal for them.  If
>anything will change soon in Peru is only more blood and violence.

True. There should be no celebration, only smiles, for until the last 
senderista is captured and punished for their crimes one should not celebrate 
(although it certainly should make us happy, for as a Peruvian said: "now we 
see the light at the end of the tunnel".

>        I believe that Guzman expected to be arrested any moment, and
>was prepared for that.  The fact that he didn't offer resistance and
>kept his humor ("My turn to lose," he said when arrested) is an
>indication of that.  And so was prepared his organization.  

Perhaps.  As all truly communists organizations cells are compartmentaliza and 
do not have acces to the whole picture for security reasons, so perhaps if you  
cut of the "head" the roots will continue sprouting.  Nevertheless, the heads 
can lead you to the roots sometimes and once you know where they are a little 
herbicide will finish the job.  Furthermore, you are counting out the fact that 
this is a great propaganda victory for the army, and Sendero will certainly be 
demoralized for the NYT article  which you quote below, someone equated his 
capture with Pizarro's capturing of the Inca.

>I am sure
>his organization has plans to free him soon, at any cost (that means,
>independently of the number of lives they have to sacrifice).

Even better, this solves the issue of martyrdom.  All the army must do is keep 
him locked up in a fortress surrounded by booby traps and wait for the flys to 
reach the paper.

[stuff deleted]
Edelmiro  Salsa
easalas@ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: Nicaragua Series -- comments and replies (4/4 ; conclusion)
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:28:25 GMT


Conclusion: Harel cannot bring himself to admit to and condem human rights
            abuses by groups he supports. In far less time and space he
            could have simply acknowledged and condemned them without
            apologizing. He can't bring himself to do that.

            Therefore his concern for human rights should not be considered
            a serious one. This makes him just as bad as he clsims the US is.

    Allen
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: sgastete@milton.u.washington.edu ()
Subject: Do'nde esta'n las noticias de IPS?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:08:17 GMT

Quisiera saber por que' ya no se leen muchas noticias de IPS por este
"newsgroup"?  Si alguien tiene acceso a IPS u otra fuente de noticias que
venga directamente de los paises de America Latina le agradeceria mucho
que las publique por este "newsgroup".  Yo, al menos, estoy interesada en
noticias de los paises andinos, especialmente Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador y
Colombia.  Tambien quisiera saber sobre esfuerzos que se estan haciendo en
estos paises en el desarrollo de las Ciencias Basicas, Tecnologias
Apropiadas y estudios sobre las Ciencias de las culturas precolombinas.

Gracias,

Sabina.
From: rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Hay solo dos paises en America Latina?
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:28:08 GMT
Reply-To: rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes)

In article <1992Sep3.164732.2623@spss.com>, markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder) writes: 
|> A los que atacan a Cuba les doy el beneficio de la duda.  No hace mucho
|> que la derecha critico severamente a la dictadura cubana, y defendio,
|> estimulo o ayudo a establecer dictaduras de derecha en Chile, Brasil, 
|> Argentina, Guatemala, Panama, ad nauseam.  Sin embargo dado que Cuba es 
|> una de las pocas manifiestas dictaduras que aun quedan en America Latina,
|> supondremos que sus detractores estan motivados por un puro odio en contra
|> de la tirania.

Por favor, Mark, podrias aclararque quieres decir con "los que atacan a Cuba"?
Cuba son cerca de diez millones de seres en la Isla y otros aproximadamente dos
millones fuera de ella.  Y con contadisimas excepciones, todos quieren lo mejor
para su patria, aunque discrepen diametralmente en la forma de obtenerlo.  
Atacar al gobierno actual de Cuba o a su dirigente maximo, no es atacar a Cuba.
Al contrario, para muchos es defenderla.  Ademas, mucha gente esta motivada
por el amor a Cuba y a sus familiares que viven en Cuba, a sus hijos, sus padres
y sus hermanos.  El amor, no el odio, es la motivacion de los que quieren un
cambio que mejore la vida de los cubanos.

|> Es tambien ingenuo, pienso yo, criticar a los Sandinistas por su 
|> radicalismo, cuando la reforma moderada tiene un record tan insatisfactorio
|> en America Latina.  En muchos paises latinoamericanos, uno puede luchar
|> pacificamente por la justicia social, y morir a manos de derechistas
|> escuadrones de la muerte o poderosos terratenientes; o uno puede ganar
|> en elecciones limpias y tratar de promover cambio a traves de medios legales,
|> y ser depuesto por un golpe militar promovido por la CIA.  Bajo tales
|> condiciones la disension naturalmente se radicaliza.  Aquellos que quieren
|> que los reformadores latinoamericanos sean moderados deberian garantizar
|> la posibilidad de reforma moderada en America Latina.

Es cierto que la reforma moderada tiene un record insatisfactorio.  Pero cual
es el record de la reforma radical?  Es acaso mejor?  Yo creo que no es ingenuo
criticar a nadie si se critican hechos que violan los derechos humanos tal como
se han definido internationalmente, hechos que representan abusos y opresion,
ataques a la libertad de expresion y de movimiento.  Y yo con mucho aplomo
y consistencia, ataco a los dictadores de ambas partes, los de derecha y los de
izquierda.  Los corruptos y los testarudos.  Lo cortes no quita lo valiente.  Uno
de los problemas mas lamentables en los circulos progresistas de este pais es
que aquellos que critican las imperfecciones de la sociedad americana y la falta
de democracia en Latinoamericase sienten obligados a aplaudir gobiernos 
totalitarios si son de izquierda y coinciden con ellos en la critica de los que
se aferran a viejos esquemas an sus propios paises.

    Rene J. Valdes              |     rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:49:03 EDT
From: <GHADSAL@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: INternet in San Salvador
 <1992Sep8.071646.24647@phcomgw.seri.philips.nl>


...anyone know of an internet link in san salvador ?

I/we have a friend headed that way and would like to keep in email contact.
Thanks for your help....


guy hadsall
ghadsal@american.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america