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From: johnf@HQ.Ileaf.COM (John Finlayson)
Subject: Re: cartoon violence
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 20:43:00 GMT

    Debra Potts writes:

    Speaking of Wile E. Coyote and Road Runner, can someone tell me
    this?  This was one of my favorite cartoons, too, when growing up,
    and I am about the biggest violence-hating pacifist you could
    imagine.  I mean, I won't even watch scary or violent live action
    films (your kung-fu and your die-hards and your slasher the masher
    XVII, etc.) because they make me sick.

Someone who wholly shares your aversion to violence thanks you for
easing his conscience somewhat over his disquietingly persistent
predilection for old Warner Brothers cartoon flicks.

So what's the difference between Road Runner violence and that of the
current Saturday morning fare?

    ... but, hey, it won't do them any harm to watch a half hour of
    characters spitting hateful cliches at each other and treating each
    other with absolutely no respect ...

I think you've hit it on the head here (pardon the violent metaphor).

    Perhaps it is just that we live in a more violent, hostile society
    overall, and cartoons have absolutely nothing to do with it either
    way.

I wouldn't give up looking for connections.  I think your "hateful
cliches" and "treating each other with no respect" insights point to
something deeper -- something of which violence is merely a symptom.

Here's another thought about distinctions between portrayals of violence:

When Star Wars was released, I was a bit surprised and vaguely
distressed at how many kids identified with Darth Vader.  Have kids
changed, or does Hollywood sometimes make something evil more glamorous
and appealing (aggression=power)?  How many kids would identify with
the aggression=ineptitude characterizations of Wile E. Coyote, Pete
Puma, Elmer Fudd, Sylvester, and Yosemite Sam.  Did we?

Thanks again for the sound, thoughtful post.

John.
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: About Timothy Dalton?
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:01:36 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <1992Sep28.225318.28242@sura.net> wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.001618.10816@newstand.syr.edu> ncchang@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Chang) writes:
>> I would like to have some more information about Timothy Dalton.
>
>I don't have any biographical info on him with me, although there's a short
>one in the James Bond movie book of mine at home.  Movies he's been in (off
>the top of my head):
>
>The Lion in Winter
>The Living Daylights  \   The two James Bond movies
>License to Kill       /   he was in as Bond - natch
>The Rocketeer
>
>I'm sure he's done more, I just don't know what.

I liked 'The Doctor and the Devils'. It sounds like a B movie but is actually
a very well (if somewhat gruesome) done story of a Doctor forced to hire
graverobbers to get cadavers. If you like really good villians you've got to
see this one.


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From: edd151s@nella10.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr I.P. Rayner)
Subject: Re: David Lynch movies
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:17:18 GMT

>: >Aside from the obvious _Twin Peaks_ film, _Blue Velvet_ , _Eraserhead_, and
>: >_Wild at Heart_, what other movies has David Lynch directed ??
>: >
>: I saw a short-movie called "The cowboy and the frenchman" (highly
>: enjoyable) done by him. He's also directed "The Hidden" and "Dune".
					       ^^^^^^^^^^

He did?! According to my big blue movie book here, Jack Sholder directed 
The Hidden.  Or did David Lynch use an alias?  It didnt seem like a Lynch
film to me.

Ivan Rayner
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From: stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame)
Subject: Re: h.r. giger softcover
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:17:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.4156.47682@dosgate> "james kewageshig" <james.kewageshig@canrem.com> writes:
>Another way to feed your 'Giger jones' is to buy the new softcover
>book of his works over the years.  Lots of colour pictures, biography
>of his life and works, including some stuff on 'Alien'.
>
>Book size is about 8 1/2 X 11" and approx 60 pages. The price is 
>about $14.95 or so, so its probably the cheapest book he has out.

Does this book have a title?  Or at least an ISBN?

If it's _H.R. Giger ARh+_, I seem to remember saying that that was out
of print . . . 

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From: gt0963d@prism.gatech.EDU (Deeptendu Majumder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Soundtracks mailing list info needed
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:52:29 GMT
Organization: The Dream Chasers Syndicate

I saw a posting about it long ago. Can anybody point
me to the right direction.

e-mail response preferred

many thanks
d.
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From: mem@mv.mv.com (Mark E. Mallett)
Subject: Re: "Stranger In A Strange Land" To Be Filmed
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:23:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.052736.15480@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Peter Alexander Merel) writes:
> But really, anyone but Hanks. I don't care
>if its Madonna, as long as its not Hanks. 

I dunno.  I see him with the weak-innocent, naive "waiting is" for the
beginning down pat.  Can he turn into the deep, strong, soulful character
later?  I admit I can't picture it.

Whoever suggested Joe Morton-- good idea!

-mm-
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From: mvburke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mary virginia burke)
Subject: Re: movies with labelled chapters
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:41:41 GMT

In <1992Sep28.010850.28971@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

>In article <90616@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d2.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep27.234854.21857@tamsun.tamu.edu> rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jack McKinney) writes:
>>>In article <Bv905y.9t3@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Let's make a list of movies with "chapters" in them. That is, the film
>>>>is broken into segments, each with its own title, but this does not
>>>>include films of entirely different stories, like New York Stories.
>>>
>>>   Prospero's Books (A.K.A. The Tempest)
>>
>>_Baxter_
>>_Claire's Knee_

>Monty Python's _Holy Grail_.

>"And he bravely ran away, away...."

Also _A Room with a View_ ("Lying to Cecil....Lying to Mr. Emerson" etc.)

MVB
"Everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads."--TMBG


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From: chiac@ee.ubc.ca (chia-tung chen)
Subject: Soundtrack for "Somewhere in Time"
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:32:33 GMT

Dear Netters,
  The movie "somewhere in time" has been one of my most favorite, especially
the music. I have been looking for its sound track, but failed. Could someone
tell me how to find its CD? Thank you.
			chia-tung chen (chiac@ee.ubc.ca)
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: movies with labelled chapters
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:08:50 GMT

In article <90616@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d2.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.234854.21857@tamsun.tamu.edu> rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jack McKinney) writes:
>>In article <Bv905y.9t3@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
>>>
>>>Let's make a list of movies with "chapters" in them. That is, the film
>>>is broken into segments, each with its own title, but this does not
>>>include films of entirely different stories, like New York Stories.
>>
>>   Prospero's Books (A.K.A. The Tempest)
>
>_Baxter_
>_Claire's Knee_

Monty Python's _Holy Grail_.

"And he bravely ran away, away...."



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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: A few questions....help!
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:37:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.075754.16016@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-lc@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Chris Silva) writes:
>I have a few movie questions I need some help finding answers to.  If
>anybody knows the answers to these questions, it would be much appreciated
>if you could e-mail them to me.  I will post a summary of responses to
>this newsgroup in about a week.  Thanks.
>
>1)  Writer-Director John Sayles plays a small role in each of his films.
>    What real life author did he play in "Eight Men Out"?

I think he played Ring Lardner, but I'm not certain.

>5)  "I Am Legend" by Richard Matheson inspired three films, one
>    in 1964, one in 1968 and one in 1971.  Can anybody tell
>    me the names of these movies?

One was "The Last Man On Earth". (I'd guess that was the '64 one.)
The '71 one was "The Omega Man".

>And the killer........
>
>6)  As a marine, he claimed to have participated in the World War II
>    invasion of Tarawa wearing pink panties and a bra beneath his 
>    uniform.  He's now remembered for writing and directing inept 
>    exploitation films.  Name him.

Edward Wood, Jr.  Tim Burton is talking about making a film biography
of him, for some unfathomable reason.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
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Subject: Re: Howards End casting question
From: mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Mark Hiro           Norman         )
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 04:33:18 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland
Keywords: Samuel West

In <BvCy1J.DJx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> nancyl@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup) writes:

>I was reading an article today mentioning that Prunella Scales' (Aunt Juley
>in Howards End) son, Samuel West, was also in Howards End.  Can anyone tell
>me which character he played?  thanks.

I have a piece of paper which says who he was, but not on me.
Offhand I'd say he played Theobald (Tibby), since that's the only
character I can't place an actor with.
He had the excellent line "So is this the one I was supposed to thrash
within an inch of his life?"

What else has he been in?


-- 
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mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz | "We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful..."
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From: ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon)
Subject: Re: My Own Private Idaho
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:53:01 GMT

>In article <1992Sep28.220831.11369@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER) writes:
>>m1nss01@fed.frb.gov (Neil S. Seftor) writes:
>>
>>>Well, I think I went through my own private hell watching this movie,
>>>and I'm wondering if anyone out there has any more clue about this 
>>>movie than I do ...
>>
>>>The only thing I could make out of it (and I don't know what this says
>>>about my state of mental being) is that it has quite a few parallels to
>>>Barton Fink.
>>
>>I dont know about Barton Fink, but much of the script was taken/modified
>>from Shakespeare's 'Henry IV' (If I am wrong please correct me).  I thought
>>that the modern parallel of this play was excellently, and plausibly done.
>
>>Cinematographically it was handled in a 'stage'-like manner, proving (I found,
>>and I dont know what this says about my state of mental being) to be very
>>enjoyable.
>
I couldn't even finish this movie, and I was suprised Neil could, either
(hope you don't mind me saying so, Neil!).  It's one thing to retell
Henry IV, but Van Sant lifted some of the lines right out of the play,
which, when combined with today's vernacular, really disrupted continuity
for me.  He could have gotten away with the parallels (perhaps) if
he had either written the whole thing in a take-off of Shakepeare's
lofty (for us) english, or if he had written it in whatever it is
you would say that prostitutes and street people speak these days.
The film shifted gears on me when Bob (?) showed up, and it made for
some really ridiculous, pointless verbage.  And then Van Sant shifted
gears again when they go off in search of Mike's mother, and I was
left wondering how many movies was he trying to make anyway?

Just didn't work for me, especially having studied the play I don't
know how many times in pursuit of my Lit. degree.

--Karen
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From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Subject: Re: The Barrymores
Keywords: Barrymore
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:29:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.150847.390@cs.mun.ca> craigs@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Betsy Brett) writes:
>I know I have read this before, but I cannot remember all the details, and
>thought someone here may enlighten me.  I know the entire Barrymore family
>has a history of various abuses.  I have seen a few of John's movies lately
>and I have seen alot of Lionel over the years, but I don't remember just what
>it was with these as well as the other Barrymores.  Just what were the vices
>and what was the cause of their deaths?  I know about Drew, but did these
>problems exist with the generations in between as well?  

John's talent was matched by his alcoholism, which, of course, eventually
destroyed him.  His last performances were embarrassments.  His daughter
Diana became an actress and, like her father, an alcoholic, but she
finally selected a faster form of suicide.

-- Herb Huston
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: movies with labelled chapters
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:02:19 GMT

rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:


>Let's make a list of movies with "chapters" in them. That is, the film
>is broken into segments, each with its own title, but this does not
>include films of entirely different stories, like New York Stories.
>What I can think of is:


>2001
>If....
>Stranger Than Paradise
>Mystery Train

Monty Python's Meaning of Life
My Blue Heaven



                                 --Steve Stelter
                                   sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: mhart00@ricevm1.rice.edu (mason hart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: New Orleans movie, 1989
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:40:07 GMT
Organization: Rice University

I was in the French Quarter back in June, 1989, and there was
a movie being made.  The automobiles and the clothes were old --
twenties, maybe?  I don't know if the film was supposed to be
set in New Orleans or if the French Quarter architecture was just
what the director had in mind for the scene.
 
Can anyone help me out?  What was this film?
 
"Life IS pain.  Anyone who tells you differently is selling something."
-- mason hart, rice u.
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From: mvburke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mary virginia burke)
Subject: Re: Your favorite obscure actors!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:23:35 GMT

In <vc8qbssb@cck.coventry.ac.uk> gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre) writes:

>My fave is the guy from Crime Story who also played Scott Glen's role in
>Manhunter (the guy Glen played in Silence of the Lambs). He's an Italian
>actor with the same moustache in every movie and I keep seeing him in stuff
>but I don't know his name. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

That's Dennis Ooh Baby Farina, a Chicago actor and former cop whom I ADORE.  
You can also catch his act in _Midnight Run_, and I forget what all else.  

To add my two cents to this discussion, I would bring up the name Ed O'Ross,
who's been a sidekick or bad guy of some sort in some of my favorite movies...
he's a sidekick cop in _The Hidden_, a bad guy in _Red Heat_ (the one with
Ahnold, not the one with Linda Blair), and a sleazoid drug dealer in _Lethal
Weapon_, where he gets quite possibly the best line in the picture ("Where
in hell'd you get him, Psychos R Us?").  He was also in _Dick Tracy_, a 
deservedly obscure flick called _Verne Miller_, and more recently _Universal
Soldier_.  Probably a few other things as well.  I just love his growl.

Cheers--MVB

"Are we talking spacemen here?"--Det. Tom Beck
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: About Timothy Dalton?
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:50:32 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

In article <1aiecdINNa3f@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jseaver@obsidian.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
>In article <s1070422.718038271@giaeb> s1070422@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (BATMAN (D.Binding)) writes:
>>Speaking of a former Bond man, when the hell is th enext bond mvie going to
>>come out. They usually come out every two years and it's about three years now
>>snce the last one. I heard it is called "Suspicion". Anyone heard anything.\?
>
>	Last I heard was about a year after Licence To Kill (a Bond movie that
>ranks right up there with Thunderball) that everyone involved would really like
>to do another James Bond movie, but UA was in a bad financial situation and so
>there was nothing going.  Granted, that was about two or three years ago, but
>I haven't seen UA come out with ANYTHING big in the US (except maybe the James
>Bond Jr. cartoon - "He's the illegitimate son -- er, nephew...").

This one should make the frequently asked question list, if it already
isn't there.

UA is still owned by MGM.  There was talk of selling UA, but nothing came
of that.  MGM is in moderately bad financial trouble.  Not as bad as
Orion or Carolco, but not exactly robust good health, either.  They keep
making movies, but they tend not to make big budgetbusters, at the moment.
MGM still has a distribution deal with Brocolli for James Bond films, so
any he made would have to go through them, meaning they would presumably
be financed by MGM, too.

In addition to the financial problems at MGM, there are legal problems.
For a while MGM/UA was owned by Pathe Communications, which was run by
an Italian weasel named Paretti.  He bought the studios under shady
circumstances, everyone predicted he wouldn't have enough money to pull
it off, and, in the end, he didn't.  He's now hiding out from U.S. 
indictments in his native land.  At any rate, one of the measures he
took to dig up money for his acquisitions was to sell the television
rights to the James Bond films.  But part of the money from this sale
was to go to Brocolli, and he felt that the rights were sold for bargain
basement prices to help Paretti out of his financial troubles.  (At the
expense of Brocolli.)  So Brocolli is suing.  Until the suit gets settled,
chances are there will be no more Bond films.

Should the suit get settled, and should MGM pull itself out of trouble,
there will probably be another Bond film.  While the last two performed
poorly in the U.S., they were big hits in Europe and Asia, more than
recouping their costs.  As part of a lengthy series, they have more library
value than they would otherwise.  Also, given the poor performance of the
last "Rocky" film, and the collapse of the Pink Panther films (I doubt
if the upcoming one will change that), Bond is the only valuable series
that MGM/UA still have.

At this point, it's anyone's guess about when the film will appear, what
the title, plot, or setting will be, and who will star.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
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From: ph9jba@nestor.uucp (82222-anglum)
Subject: Indians and Guns
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:00:32 GMT

In "The Last of the Mohigans" the Huron were wearing their traditional styles
of clothing and hair.  The guns they carried were of French Manufacture and
were cheap flintlocks--the ones carried by Hawkeye etc. were probably of 
german manufacture and where undoubtedly of much higher quality.  I noticed
Hawkeye's gun in particular--It looked to be about a 40 caliber tiger-maple
beauty.  A lot of the guns of the period were undoubtedy smoothbore which
accounted for the lack of accuracy.  Don't forget that when the Huron slaughtered the British troop that was escorting Cora and Alice they would not leave 
behind guns, powder horns or shot.  Many would remelt spent bullets and reshape
the lead.  This good indian--bad indian comparison really yanks my chain--the
Huron were traditional enemies of the Iroquois tribe to which the Mohigans belong--but again they were more into counting coup, than the carnage the whites
taught them.

Why did no one mention the wonderful correography of the hand to hand combat
sequences--where the battle axe came into its own?

Jeannine Crowfoot 
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From: coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman)
Subject: Re: THX - "The Audience Is Listening"
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 19:46:01 GMT

hamster@werple.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) writes:
|If you're getting ones other than the "blue box" one constantly, be thankful!

Yeah, I guess maybe it sounds like I'm whining about my lobster being tough,
but "Broadway" is such sonorous ecstasy, whereas the "baton" trailer is just a
hair better than the theater's own "fertilizer" trailers.  

Why can't everyone see that I'm right??  :-)

-- 
--Mike Coleman (coleman@cs.ucla.edu), Lord High Executioner of Anhedonia-----
  You're loud and you stink.  So don't bother honking; I know you're there.
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From: st1qp@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: Danny Elfman
Reply-To: st1qp@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 08:28:26 GMT

In article <mdelaney.717467962@helios>, mdelaney@informix.com (Unix Dude) writes:
>In <1992Sep24.025032.20270@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> gckchin@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Kelvyn Chin) writes:
>
>>Hello all you movie gurus;
>
>>Other than Darkman, Dick Tracy, Edward Scissorhands, Beetlejuice,
>>and the two Batmans, are there any more movies with Elfman's soundtrack that
>>I missed? 
>
>Pee-wee's Big Adventure  (I think)
>

Big Top Pee-Wee, Midnight Run, and a few others.  There is a Sampler disc
out called MUSIC FOR A DARKENED THEATRE Vol. 1 which has a couple songs from
various Elfman soundtracks. 

-Matt Tighe

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