From: carl_@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: Zhou En-lai and his characters
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 00:26:16 GMT

In article <1e16aoINNedf@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain  
(Xiang Zhou) writes:
> In article <1992Nov13.195651.983@news.acns.nwu.edu>, carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
> |> In article <1992Nov13.122657@IASTATE.EDU> zeng@IASTATE.EDU (Shaohui Zeng)  
> |> writes:
> |> > I would like to know something more about Zhou. I am impressed by the  
fact 
> |> > that he was loved by so many people. Even Mao did not achieved this.  
When
> |> > Zhou died in 1976, I was a child. I was curious why so many person wept  
for
> |> > his death. My parent wept at home. I don't think this was only to show  
to 
> |> > anybody. 
> |> 
> |> I don't think Chinese really loved him. They just used this event to  
express  
> |> their unsatisfactory and anger towards the government then. I don't think  
a lot  
> |> of Chinese have a clear idea about what a particular leader/senior  
government  
> |> official is. Take Zhao Ziyang and Hu Yaobang for example. Many Chinese did  
not  
> |> like them until they died or stepped down. Zhao was first attacked by  
students  
> |> for curruption. Later, he is miraculously supported by the students and  
others.
> |> So, it is the goverment and system that people dislike. As long as you are  
> |> kicked out of that system, people start to show sympathy and support.
> |> 
> |> Similar things are happening in Russia too.
> |> 
> |> > Is it really because his unselfish that he was loved, revered ? I don't  
think
> |> > this is the only answer. As I know, In the Red Army year, Zhou was head  
of 
> |> > "Te4 Ke1", whose task is to execute traitors and sabotage. Nixon gave  
some
> |> > viewpoint about Zhou in his famous book. One character of Zhou, I think  
there
> |> > will be little doubt, is cunning.
> |> > I will appreciate it if anyone can contribute more about Zhou.
> |> > 
> |> 
> |> I feel pity for Zhou. He was abused by Mao. He lived like a dog.
> |> 
> |> Carl
>   
>    I guess Mr. Carl always likes to abuse a dog (maybe in many many ways),  
because
> someone was abused, he then thinks that he lived like a dog. Tell the  
netters, 
> how many dogs you have abused and how ? I guess I am closer to the point to
> understand Carl. 


Zhou Enlai was born a wolf and then turned into a dog by Mao (like some other  
Mao's comrades).

It's a tragedy that some wolves were changed into dogs thousands of years ago.   
Since then, not a single dog can escape it's fate of being abused. You may see  
people kiss their dogs and feed them with various dog-food. This may lead you  
to think that these dogs live happily. Just dream on. Maybe someday you would  
even like to live like these "lucky" dogs (I hope you wouldn't).

Unfortunately, since I don't like pet, I don't have a chance to abuse a dog.  
But if you like, you can be the first one and I will buy you the best food I  
can economically afford (just kidding). Now, do you finally come closer to my  
point, my genius?

Carl

P.S.: I tried hard not to offend you. In fact, my previous post seems none of  
your business. I don't know why I made you uncomfortable and start attacking  
me. No hard feeling please.