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From: tgrupe@watnxt11.ucr.edu (Todd E. Grupe)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: moving patterns&depression
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:16:24 GMT

In article <92316.230218RMK111@psuvm.psu.edu> RMK111@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> I am seeking information regarding the relationship between movement  
patterns (
> specifically running patterns) and depression.
> 
> Does anyone know of any anecdotal or experimental evidence examining how  
a
> person changes their movement as their mood changes or what movement  
patterns
> are characterisitc of a clinically depressed individual?  Please help!!!

The most obvious changes are the ones you'd expect; posture tends to slump  
forward more, the head and eyes are more likely to be pointed downward,  
and overall speed (of walking, getting up out of a chair, etc.) tends to  
be slower.  In a subject with more than light depression, overall muscle  
tone drops -- the neural impulses in the muscles are slightly more  
inhibited.  The most obvvious sign of this is in the face -- the eyes take  
on a sunken, tired look and the mouth droops a bit.

Jeez.. now I'm depressed.

TG
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From: jabutt@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Joe Butt)
Subject: Re: Politics and Personality Type (was Re: Why????)
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:12:42 GMT

In regard to the types of the ex-candidates:

Bush -- ISTJ
Quayle -- ISFP

Clinton -- ESFJ
Gore -- ENTJ

Perot -- ENFJ

Bush is a 'Joe Friday' kind of guy "Just the facts, Ma'am"  I suspect that
Silent Cal was also an ISTJ.
Quayle is a spontaneous player, as are most SP's

Perot leads by relationship, much like Lincoln and FDR, two other ENFJ's.

Clinton occasionally has and will display the tendency to wear his heart
on his sleeve, as do all the ESFJ's I've ever met. 

Gore is an "I'm really sorry you have to die" ENTJ in the genre of
Washington, Swarzkopf (sp), and probably Patton. We already are seeing
Gore in an active leadership position, and for a vice-president, that's
somewhat of an oxymoron.

I don't know much about the admiral that ran with Perot, but I like him.

The only INTP I have identified in leadership today is Foley.
President Garfield was an ENTP, as evidenced by his ability to write in Latin
with one hand and Greek with another SIMULTANEOUSLY!! Who else but an ENTP
would do such a stunt?!


--
Joe Butt, INTP
Tennessee School for the Deaf
@Oak Ridge Educational Network
From: burt@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Burt Voorhees)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Bicameral Mind
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:54:42 GMT

markb@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Mark Bower) writes:

>Hello. I am new to this newsgroup and Psychology in general.
>Recently, I started reading Julian Jayne's _Origin_of_Consciousness_
>and_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind and found his central
>concept fascinating and _internally_ consistent.

>I am wondering what has become of his work since it was published.
>My book lists a publish date of the early seventies ( I don't have it
>with me). Has his work been corroborated, rejected, ignored, extended,
>of otherwise pursued?

Little at all has been done on extending Jaynes book, although he does
have a new edition out with an appendix.

I'll have to say that I found his idea interesting, but not convincing.
And I found his book highly offensive in its tone.  He also plays very
fast and loose with his supporting materials.  Perhaps the most flagrent
example is when he quotes the Memphis theology (ancient Egypt) to support
his ideas, saying that all that is ever mentioned is the tounge as a
source of command.  Basically what he does, however, is to take every
other line of this text.  If one reads the full text it talks about
the heart and tongue: the heart decides what it will, and the tongue
commands.  This does not support his ideas, but it is intellectually
dishonest to selectively take lines out of context as he does.
(One might note that Aristotle, too, took the heart as the seat of volition,
considering the brain to be a "cooling organ".)

burt
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: christo@psych.toronto.edu (Christopher Green)
Subject: Re: Physiology & Psychology (Q)
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:16:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.143225.21172@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> trocklin@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tom Rocklin) writes:
>There is an argument that says, roughly, that knowing the details of the
>neurophysiology and neuroanatomy of an organism (I'm particularly interested
>in humans) will still leave you ignorant  of important details
>of the psychology of that organism.
>
This argument is usually found under the guise of "token identity functionalism"
and the locus classicus is "Special Sciences" by Jerry Fodor, reprinted in
_Representations_. A reasonable good account of it can be found in Owen
Flanagan's _Science of Mind_ as well.
It is the "received" view in cognitive science these days, though
you don't have to look very far to find dissenters.

-- 
Christopher D. Green                christo@psych.toronto.edu
Psychology Department               cgreen@lake.scar.utoronto.ca
University of Toronto
Toronto, Ontario M5S 1A1
Newsgroups: sci.psychology,soc.women,soc.men
From: saswss@unx.sas.com (Warren Sarle)
Subject: Re: More Women Than Men Prefer to be Alone
Originator: saswss@hotellng.unx.sas.com
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:17:43 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <1e3ca8INNjdi@agate.berkeley.edu>, joan@koala.berkeley.edu () writes:
|> Perhaps this is the study referred to in this thread.
|>
|> News Item typed from San Francisco Examiner of Tuesday, Nov. 10, 1992
|>   page A-9.  Without permission.
|> ...
|>      Husbands appeared less anti-social, with only 21 percent preferring
|> to spend time in the house without their spouses.
|> ...

Women who enjoy solitude are called "anti-social" in this article.
If it were men who tended to prefer solitude, they would probably
be called "independent", "autonomous", etc.

-- 

Warren S. Sarle       SAS Institute Inc.   The opinions expressed here
saswss@unx.sas.com    SAS Campus Drive     are mine and not necessarily
(919) 677-8000        Cary, NC 27513       those of SAS Institute.
From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: left-handed -> right-handed
Date: 18 Nov 1992 00:49:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jpaavola@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi () says:
>
>        Where could I find information on
>        left-handed people who were turned 
>        into right-handed?

I would be interested in knowing more about this topic too.

I remember when learning to how to write/print in grade school
I was forced to use my rigth hand even though I was more 
comfortable using my left hand.
-- 
fortmapl@dayton.bitnet
fortmapl@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
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From: aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: sci.psychology,soc.women,soc.men
Subject: Re: More Women Than Men Prefer to be Alone
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:16:41 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Warren Sarle (saswss@unx.sas.com) wrote:
: In article <1e3ca8INNjdi@agate.berkeley.edu>, joan@koala.berkeley.edu () writes:
: |> News Item typed from San Francisco Examiner of Tuesday, Nov. 10, 1992
: |>   page A-9.  Without permission.
: Women who enjoy solitude are called "anti-social" in this article.
: If it were men who tended to prefer solitude, they would probably
: be called "independent", "autonomous", etc.
: 

I think in this instance the term "anti-social" has a technical definition 
as it is behaviour that does not involve socialisation. It is psychologists
speak and I don't think it would make any difference if it were men who
preferred to be alone.

		Aaron Turner		aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: rajiv@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Rajiv)
Subject: faq for sci.psychology
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:39:55 GMT
Distribution: sci.psychology


Is there a faq for sci.psychology? Is someone working on one?
From: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Sanity Certification
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 17:05:06 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Very dangerous IDEA!

                                        R. Tim Coslet

Usenet: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com
        technology, n.  domesticated natural phenomena
From: baltman@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Brian Altman)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Sanity Certification
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:26:08 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Has anyone considered how long these tests would take?

The "people" responsible for the testings would become the single
largest employers anywhere ever. What a waste.

-Brian
From: dhaggard@hughes.Sgi.COM (Dana Haggard)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Briggs MyersKeywords:
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:08:44 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft of Canada Limited

Hi all,

I was hoping someone might be able to direct me to information on the Briggs-
Myers Personality testing or other of the like.  Can you tell me if you are
tested once do  results  illustrate consistancy over time?   Can anyone direct
me to where the testing might be available?  
Fundamentally I am looking to do the test.  I am interested to note if todays
results would be consistent with results from approx 10 years ago. 
From what I've taken in school to date, and from various career counsellors,
it has been indicated that this would provide a "reasonable" assessment of  potential
career choices.  Is this accurate?  Does anyone have any other ideas that
would help identify norms for types?
Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
.../D
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From: petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology,sci.anthropology
Subject: Do you ethologist feel left out ?
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:44:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov23.184444.20233
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

Why is there no sci.ethology ? :-) Is there

No one in this field on 'the net' ? 

Are there any maillists that I should know about ?

My interest is in ethology is behavior
in children in age from about 8 to 16.

-pete
petel@sequent.com
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: RE: new group for personality types
From: srgcejb@grace.cri.nz
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 20:57:09 GMT  
Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand.

>	As a compuslive type-watcher, I'd love to subscribe to a group for the
>Myers-Briggs, or whatever.  Great idea! 
>

And me, too!

John
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 19:40:01 CST
From: V.L. Grunsted <U31528@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: teeth grinding while sleeping
 <1992Nov15.114426.18636@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
 <1992Nov16.104133.20805@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> <97823@netnews.upenn.edu>

Some of my peer therapists and I have been doing a lit search on
childhood sexual abuse, and I recall running across an article that
talked about bruxism as one symptom of such abuse. I have the
article at work, and will post the citation and a brief synopsis
later in the week.

--VLG.
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Sanity Certification: Orwellian Fears.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:14:30 GMT

Reading the post on sanity certification made me think of all the
other fine tests that have been squashed down over the years.  (Was
there actually a time when employers wanted their employee's urine?)
 
I think such a test could be a dangerous thing.  It could easily be a
tool for discrimination.  As I understand it, the Rorsharch test isn't
the most objective test in the world.  
 
What starts off sounding like a good idea seems to have implications
as to employer's powers to discriminate, label a person evil, etc.
 
What happens to someone who is rejected from a job because he/she is
insane?
 
And finally, maybe we SHOULD have insane people working for
psychiatrists.  Who knows more on the matter: someone who has studied
the matter, or someone who has been there?  I recall the study where
sane people had themselves committed by faking a few symptoms.  The
patients recognized these people as sane, and asked them what they
were doing there?  (Meanwhile the staff of the hospitals involved had
no idea what was going on...)
 
                                        Just some thoughts...
                                                  Nik
From: rhay@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Robert Hay)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Natural Laws of Nature
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:54:31 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Does anyone have any information on the Natural laws of Nature.  Dr. 
David Suziki had an excellent show on the Nature of things describing 
them and Brian Tracy in his Peak Performance Seminar had a very good 
summary of them as well.  Unfortunantly I have seemed to have lost my 
information on this subject.
Thanks... Later

Robert Hay              rhay@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Sanity Certification
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 21 Nov 92 20:50:14 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20In-Reply-To: mmm@cup.portal.com's message of Fri, 20 Nov 92 23:46:51 PSTLines: 31

WOW! I don't usually read this newsgroup; I just "popped in" to ask a question,
so forgive me if this response is inappropriate, but...

Are you proposing that the *GOVERNMENT* decide who is and who is not insane,
and that the *GOVERNMENT* then certify folks as appropriate or inappropriate
for various jobs???

(You have way more faith in the government than I, my friend.  I, personally
wouldn't particularly want the government telling me where I could or could not
work -- based on some sanity test that it gave me -- or, for that matter,
telling me whom I could or could not employ, by virtue of their scores on that
test.)   Brrrrrrr.  The very thought just gives me the shivers.

But the original poster *DID* have a POLITICAL motivation:

In <69944@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com writes:
> This would lead to a new society, one in which sanity is celebrated
> as a good thing.  Unlike our present system -- which celebrates
> insanity under euphemisms like "cultural diversity" -- we would have
> a society oriented toward evolutionary progress, rather than
> wallowing in degradation as we do now.

<shudder>

Would you like the Bill Clinton administration to develop a politically based
"sanity" test like the one that you mention?  You might find yourself out of
a job...

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: jwcoll01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Vigilance and Music
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:00:20 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Nov16.192937.1865@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_nixsp@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> 
> I'm looking for information on Vigilance.  I'm conducting an experiment on 
> the effect of music on the human attention span.  Subjects will be 
> performing a reaction test to various stimuli presented on a computer 
> screen.  The independent variables are level of music (none, soft, pleasant, 
> and loud) and type of music (classical, pop, country, jazz).  Any 
> information would be greatly appreciated.  
> 
> -Page
> Z_NIXSP@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU


This isn't exactly what you want, but as an undergrad I did a study on 
reading comprehension and music.  Subjects read a fairly technical page
explaining the physics of boomerang flight while exposed to either 
classical music (Mozart), heavy rock (AC/DC), or silence.  Subjects were then
tested in silence.  Both music groups answered significantly more questions
incorretly than the silence group.  Although the trend was for the AC/DC
to be worse than the Mozart group, there was no significant difference between
these groups.  These results suggest that any music will negatively affect
reading comprehension.  I don't know if you can generalize these results to
other cognitive tasks such as Vigilance.
Hope this is helpful.  If you want the write-up, e-mail me and I'll begin the 
quest for the paper.  I can't guarantee that I'll find it though.

Joel Collins
Experimental Psychology Grad. Student
Emphasis: Human Factors
University of Louisville
jwcoll01@ulkyvx02.louisville.edu
From: rcota@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx (Ing. Rafael Cota Rivas)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Biblio on Creativity in Children Request
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:55:02 GMT
Organization: SEIS, ITESM Campus Sonora Norte

Hi all !
	Sorry to use the bandwidth with this question, but we are looking 
for bibliography that talks about the Creativity in Children behaivor. If 
you know some books that can lead us to do our little investigation about it 
please be kind and e-mail me the names & authors; also if you know some 
place where we can download this information via ftp it'll we helpful too.
	Thank you very much in advanced for your time and help...


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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: graeme@fulcrum.co.uk (Graeme Hodgson)
Subject: Re: Bicameral Mind
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:41:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.163806.28341@iplmail.orl.mmc.com> markb@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Mark Bower) writes:
>Hello. I am new to this newsgroup and Psychology in general.

Me too!  Interesting isn't it?  How many others out there are
amateur psyches?  If there are any others in the UK, do you know 
of any recommended texts for A-level - particularly in the area of 
developmental psychology?

>Recently, I started reading Julian Jayne's _Origin_of_Consciousness_
>and_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind and found his central
>concept fascinating and _internally_ consistent.

What was his central concept?  I don't know of the book!

>I am wondering what has become of his work since it was published.
>My book lists a publish date of the early seventies ( I don't have it
>with me). Has his work been corroborated, rejected, ignored, extended,
>of otherwise pursued?
>
>If it has been discarded, what other research/theories have arisen
>to explain the ubiquitousness of god/gods/religion in virtually all
>societies and their overwhelming similarities?
>
>I have read some of the work of Joseph Campbell who clearly identifies
>the similarities in the context, content, and importance of myths in
>the human view of God, but he never _really_ addresses how we humans
>arrived at the need/realization of gods/a god.

I take it from the above that the subject was man's (and woman's!) 
fascination with gods and religion.  I remember reading some articles 
on this a while back and most commentators seemed to agree that it 
was a mechanism invented for the explanation of unknown phenomena 
observed in nature.

Man feels a compulsion to understand how and why things happen and
when this cannot be explained by current understanding seeks to use 
myths, legends, gods and the supernatural in general to provide an 
explanation.  This would seem to be confirmed by our apparent 
rejection of religion as our scientific knowledge becomes more and 
more complete.

>All other work I have seen appears to limit it's academic concern to
>the aquisition of speech, bipedal gait, visual communication, tools,
>and other behaviors. Everyone seems to ignore consciousness. Is it in
>the "too hard" pile? I have read Edelman's Neural_Darwinism and The_
>Remembered_Present which gave excellent possible models of current
>human cognition. Has anyone tried outlining a _developmental_ mechanism
>for this model?

I think you're probably right - better to stick to the less tricky 
subjects!

>I count 4 "?" above so I guess that's enough for now! :-) Thanks to
>anyone who can help. Mark.

Graeme.
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Sanity Certification
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:40:35 GMT

In article <69944@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:
[...]
>What use would such a test have?  It seems obvious that certain
>professions have a special need to avoid employing insane people.
>Psychiatrists, for one.  Certainly you wouldn't want insane people
>to be treating other people for their mental problems.

A novel idea, but I can't see it working in practice.  8-)

Roger
From: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: MMPI, what's it tell?
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:12:05 GMT
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

I've just returned from a Pain Clinic and filled out and mailed a 
567-question true/false test called an MMPI.

What I would like to know is what it is supposed to tell about me.

It seems to me that the questions were tiresomely repetitive, and
hinted of such things as suicidal tendencies, paranoia, schizophrenia,
pyromania, hypochondria, etc., but not being and expert, I'm not sure.

Of course, I may just be paranoid. :-)

Thanks for any information,


Jim Graham 

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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: trocklin@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tom Rocklin)
Subject: Physiology & Psychology (Q)
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:32:25 GMT

There is an argument that says, roughly, that knowing the details of the
neurophysiology and neuroanatomy of an organism (I'm particularly interested
in humans) will still leave you ignorant  of important details
of the psychology of that organism.

The argument is sometimes made as an analogy with computers:  knowing the
hardware details of any (or all) of the many computers on which Unix can run
will tell you some constraints that Unix must deal with, but won't tell you
much about Unix itself.  Similarly, knowing the details of the brain (and
the rest of the relevant system(s)) will tell you some constraints on the
psychology of an organism, but not much more.

I'd be happy to hear comments on this argument (which I'm neither endorsing
nor rejecting), but more importantly, I'd appreciate pointers to published
versions of the argument (and related arguments).                ^^^^^^^^^

Thanks in advance.
-- 
Tom Rocklin                                  374 Lindquist Center
319/335-5570                               The University of Iowa
319/335-5386 (fax)                            Iowa City, IA 52242

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