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From: abreen@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alex Breen)
Subject: Re: Iowa Vs. Illinios
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:04:01 GMT

tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon) writes:

>	I don't understand how any  Illini fan can even post anything about the
>upcoming season, that is after last year.  They were pitiful.  The only true
>hope they have is Dion Thomas, but I have confidence in Lou.  He will screw
>that up to.  Beside that one person even dared to compare other sports. 
>Iowa has kicked Illinios ass in every sport except baseball this year.  Get
>a sports program before you shoot off your mouth about how good it is. 

     Oh, yea?  Well we won the cricket, mud volleyball, synchronized 
swiming, polo, and the potatoe sack race, so there ;)

     Boy, I love the basketball off season.  It makes for such great 
commentary.
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From: dtk@teer23.acpub.duke.edu (DEVENDRA KUMAR)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: A Basketball God speaks:
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:09:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.194533.3929@talon.ucs.orst.edu>, navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:
|> No not myself of course.
|> Dick Vitale "Its almost impossible for Shaquille to say 'no' to the NBA now.
|> He'll be a super, dominating player."
|> 
|> Reports of chants of Shaq, shaq, shaq are increasing around the league.
|> Gee wonder why noone is chanting Laettner,Laettner,Laettner??? Wonder why?
|> Could it be...talent?
  -----------------------
|> Roy
|> Go Indiana!
|> y

It would have to be.  It definately isn't based upon results, is it?  It
definately isn't based on Shaq's 0-2 record in head-to-head match-ups including
the embarrassment in Durham in Feb. 1991!  It definately isn't based on who has
helped his team to 4 straight final fours, 3 straight title games and 2 straight
Championships!  It wasn't based upon who was the player of the year in College
basketball!

Quit complaining! Admit it! This year, Duke was #1!!  We were #1 all year!!

`No time for losers, 'cause WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!!!!!'
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Illini - crappy final four team
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:23:33 GMT

jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>	That Arizona St. Team:
> [...]
>	A lot of talent -- but as it has been said before -- having a lot
>	of pro talent doesn't translate into college success.

And of course, they had a coach who, a few years later, got fired
because he couldn't handle the biggest talent of all time.

(Doug Collins.)



--Gidi


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Keywords: Kaufman, Keefe, Thomas, Michael, Wheeler, Pierce...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:22:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.173558.4515@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes:
>
>	1) Inside-out game. 
>		With Kaufman back, and Wheeler and Michael shooting the
>		way they did this year, the illini should lead the big
>		ten in three point shooting percentage, and attempts.
>		This should (in turn) open things up for Deon in the
>		middle.
>
>		The experience of last year, and the return of 
>		Kauf should make this much difference.
>
>	What does everyone think? Any news on recruits out there? Did
>	Kaufman get his GPA up? How does Keefe look? Will he play?


	Everyone assumes Kaufmann is back already.  He still has to
	take and pass a class either this summer or in some intersession.
	You must meen Keene instead of Keefe?  He's supposed to be a good
	all-around player.  He had a bit of a disappointing senior season
	because he had some injury problems.  He was just 9 of 27 in his
	team's Elite Eight loss a few weeks ago (he was healthy then)...
	Chris Collins, headed for Duke, was the News-Gazette's Player of
	the Year...
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From: kramer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: What about the Olympics?
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:20:07 GMT

Well, I've been thinking about this all season -- which
college player will go to the Olympics with the rest of
the U.S. team?  But I'm a little confused about a couple
of things...

Laettner would seem like an obvious choice.  But is he
still considered a college player since his senior season
is finished?  And if he could go, would the whole foot-
stomping deal affect his chances?

And what about Shaq?  I read an article last summer that
said that one of his main goals was to make the Olympic
team (he also said that he wanted to stay in school, too).
But now he can't, right?

Jim Jackson has said that he's going to stay in school
for his senior year...

What do you think?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: 1993 Tip-Off Classic
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:24:41 GMT

In article <54204@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>It was mentioned in the Atlanta newspapers this morning that
>Georgia Tech has agreed to play in the 1993 Tip-Off Classic
>(the game which starts the season), against an opponent to
>be named later.  The 1992 Tip-Off Classic will be played by
>Connecticut and (I believe) Purdue.


	You are right about the game this coming November.  Purdue will
	apparently be busy in November - they play this game and are also
	in the Great Alaska Shootout with Illinois and six others. (hey,
	maybe we will get *two* Purdue-Illinois games this coming season
	afterall!)...

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From: hartigse@fe521.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Hartig)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:36:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44643
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Apr9.185344.14073@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> bernstei@acorn.. (James Bernstein) writes:
>It  is  difficult to tell whether this is a permanent suspension.  The  
>implication in the newspaper story was that it was permanent.  If so, that  
>would free up  a scholarship, although to whom it would go is a mystery.   
>Besides, who's out there worth giving a scholarship to?  (aside from  
>Harrington.)

I don't know if that's good or bad news, but Pat was not
on scholarship, so..to bad.
_______________________________________________________

Scott E. Hartig
Purdue University Schools of Engineering
West Lafayette, IN

"The sum of the world's intelligence is a constant.....
                ....the population is growing"       

                        -H.L Mencken

GO HOOSIERS!!!!!

_____________________________________________________
From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SHAQ to Charlotte? - NO TRADE for Hakeem!
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:15:30 GMT
	<1992Apr7.183128.3259@unx.sas.com>
	<1992Apr8.005742.28872@talon.ucs.orst.edu> <11239@borg.cs.unc.edu>
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <11239@borg.cs.unc.edu> burgin@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin) wrote:
> 	I guess you haven't noticed that the pro game 
	[...]
> 	involves less defense

Here we go again.  And if you don't wait for a half-hour to go swimming
after eating, you'll get cramps.

*ack**whoompf*

> 	We have two separate newsgroups for college and pro
> 	basketball for this simple reason - the two games
> 	are very very different.

No, we have them because some hicks aren't sophisticated enough to
appreciate them both.
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	oliver@athena.mit.edu /	joliver@hstbme.mit.edu
	oliver%mitwccf.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Former Kentucky Mr. Basketball players
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:53:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr17.205302.5662
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

bryan@npri6.npri.com (Bryan Smith) writes:

>jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:

>>	1991: Jermaine Brown		Fairdale		Tennessee

>>	1989: Alan Houston		Ballard			Tennessee

>Aaarrrrgggghhhhh!!!!!   These guys are traitors.  Tennessee of all places!!!
>They should not be allowed back in the state.

	Well, Allan Houston's going to Tennessee is quite understood.  After
	all, his dad (Wade) coaches there -- and what grateful father wouldn't
	have his son play for him?  Besides -- what would it look like if a
	coach couldn't even recruit his own All-American son to play for him
	at a big Division I school nonetheless?  Anyways, before Wade Houston
	even became coach and was an assistant at Louisville, Allan was heading
	to play for the Cards.  Only after his father got the job w/ the Vols
	did Allan ask (and did receive) to get out of his commitment w/
	Louisville.

	As for Jermaine Brown, I'm not sure why he chose Tennessee.  Could
	have been Wade Houston's excellent recruiting again.  But Louisville
	seemed like the obvious choice --  not only because he's from there
	-- but his father, the great Darrell Griffith, played there as well!

	Jazzy J

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From: pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Laettner should be suspended
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:50:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <108030004@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> billa@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bill Arnold) writes:
>I played basketball for 30+ years and officiated for 20+ years
>Bill Arnold

That does not mean you can't be biased. As an official did you let centers stompon other peoples chests for what ever good reason that they might have had?


Makala
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: lein@base.ctt.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322)
Subject: Re: SOME Michigan Fans...
Reply-To: lein@base.UUCP (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322)
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 22:35:32 GMT

>>	Does anyone remember that in 1989 when the Michigan team WON the NCAA
>>Championship, the fans in the streets of Ann Arbor caused over $100,000
>>worth of damage, and this year they were rioting in the streets after the loss.
>>It looks like SOME Michigan fans are even worse winners than they are losers! 
>>
>I don't remember hearing about the '89 Championship damage.  What is it
>about the state of Michigan people?  Riot every time there is a 
>championship?  Pistons riot was infamous too.
>--
Naa, you would riot too if your school blew so many big games...:)
________________________________________________________________________________ 
John Leinaweaver
lein@bae.bellcore.com
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: It didn't take long...
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:54:59 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <11083@borg.cs.unc.edu>, morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse) writes:
>I just saw a guy on Franklin Street in Chapel Hill wearing what must
>have been a recently printed T-shirt.  I couldn't make out all of it,
>but I did see "The Spectrum" and "Laettner".
>Oh, and it had a footprint across the chest.  

How typical.  UNC didn't have anything noteworthy to put on a T-Shirt in
reference to their own team, so they print up a bunch of anti-Duke shirts,
making fun of.....what? Our second national title?  Give it a rest, guys.
Just say "Wait til next year" and be done with it.  Or are we going to see
another "National Chimps"  T?
--RC
From: suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick Suffridge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Illini - final four talent
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:50:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.

jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser) writes:
: jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
: 
: 
: If anyone has access to the information please post the relative
: h.s. 'rating' of Michigan's players.  Glen Rice, Rumeal Robinson, Terry Mills, 
: Loy Vaught, Mark (?) Hughes, Sean Higgins, Demetrius Calip, Mike(?) Griffin.
: Such ratings are no guarantee of success in college ball, but they do give
: some idea how players were regarded/recruited in h.s.
: 
: john althauser
: jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
: 

     Robinson and Mills were both top 5 recruits, Higgins was a top 10.
   I don't know about the others.
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From: dsmith@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (J. Daniel Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Division III Champions -- Calvin College!!!
Date: 23 Mar 92 16:23:09 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)

In article <18197@ector.cs.purdue.edu> gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter) writes:
>Calvin beat Rochester 62-49 in the championship game at Wittenberg,
>OH. to claim its first ever national championship in any sport.
What a great game and a great victory for the Knights!  After being
ranked #1 all season, its nice to confirm that ranking by winning the
national championship.  As Carl said, for Calvin it is especially
sweet, as this is Calvin's first-ever national title.

The only disappointment is the complete dearth of media coverage
during the Division I big dance.  The _Detroit News/Free Press_ re-ran
its Saturday story on Sunday, and the _Ann Arbor News_ said absolutely
nothing about their even being a Division III championship.  _USA
Today_ only had a box score, and I didn't hear any mention of a
Division III champion on either CBS or ESPN.  I'm still holding out
hope (no pun intended :-) ) for _Sports Illustrated_, especially since
they just had a story about Calvin (and that other school down the
road) a few weeks ago.  However, I understand the Grand Rapids media
did give Calvin complete coverage, and the Lansing media finally
printed something too (the headline in the _Lansing State Journal_ was
"Calvin Rules the Nation").


In the Division III women's championship, Alma (MI) beat Moravian (PA)
79-75. Two national basketball championships for the MIAA in the same
weekend; maybe the Big-10 will have similar success.

   Dan


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From: jc6t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jay S. Chun)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: DUKE CAN SUCK MY ...
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:03:51 GMT
Organization: Junior, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Some asshole writes:

>* >PLUS, YOU SHOULD HAVE LOST TO KENTUCKY.  LUCKY SHITS!
 
>* And State should have lost to Houston in '83?  Give it a rest.
 
>Nope, we weren't down by 1 point with 2.1 seconds left...
 
>Where the hell was Duke in the 1983 NCAAs?  That's right... they WEREN'T
>there!!!
 
>Where the hell was Duke in the 1990 NCAAs?  That's right...
>THEY GOT THEIR ASS KICKED BY UNLV 103-73!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
>I better not catch your nasty ass on campus or I will wipe it off the map!
 
>GO WOLFPACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
>"Lo"

Where the hell has NC ST been SINCE 1983?  Lucky Shits? And you and
Wittenberg weren't?  Where the hell was NC St in the 1990 NCAAs? Not in
the championship game. Oh yea, how many championships has NC St won
(one)? How many Final Fours have they been to? Sad when you have you
have to look back eight years to find a bad season for Duke while you
can refer to any of the last eight basketball seasons to find a bad year
for NC St.


DUKE -- Back to Back National Champions -- SO FUCK YOU!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: martyp@caen.engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Re: question about MIchigan '89??
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 15:25:27 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

I believe that Micigan came in third that year, with a 12-6 Big Ten
record. that was far below the expectations of everyone at Michigan.
Fisher was criticized for not being able to win with that talent, and
to this day, people call him a lousy coach who was lucky during '89.
The next thing everyone said was, "Let's see if he can recruit, and if
he can, let's see what he can do with his own recruits, since '89
was Frieder's team." He went out, recruited, coached, and look where
they are.....he must be doing something right. I am not completely
sold on his coaching abilities, but who the hell am I to criticize
a coach who has gone to the FINAL FOUR twice in four years, and could
go a few more times in the near future. Myself, and the rest of the expects
out there on the net, obviously don't know what we are talking about
if we think Fisher is not a good coach....
A friend pointed out how difficult it is to coach a team to perfection. I
believe that Bobby Knight is the best in the business, but after my
friend pointed out that even Indiana lacks basic basketball qualities 
at times. Even the great IU doesn't shoot 90% from the free throw line,
or block out every time, or make the best choice for a pass every time,
etc.....Fisher is doing something right.....and he's doing it better
then Frieder could ever do......
					-Marty
					-CAEN
					-University of Michigan '92 Champs

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Subject: Parity in College Basketball?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 03:22:51 GMT


Where is it?  Duke has gotten to the final game the past 3 years, winning
it all twice.  They well deserved their win last year after upsetting the
defending champs, but their performance this year was anemic in comparison.
For the past 20 years, College Basketball has managed to produce a team
each year to beat the defending champs.  This year, the level of play was
just a little bit too weak, and Duke proves there is no Parity, only Dynasty.
I hope we can produce some better teams next year.

Mike
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: wcd2z@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel)
Subject: Re: WOLVERINE'S can PLAY the game!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:51:32 GMT

Michigan will always be a shit talking team in all sports!!!!!
You guys always lose the big ones, just like UVa and we do it
without talking shit and our players keep composure ( not
crying on the sidelines like that Webber punk ) The Fab 5
is too cocky for thier own good, and may not ever win a
championship.  The question is can they stay is school that
long, the aren't exactly Phi Beta Kappa candidates!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:03:07 GMT

rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>Well although in general I agree with T-Bone's point about the necessity
>of profanity when trying to get some kids attention

And just to make sure that I am understood here -- all jokes aside --
I totally disgree with this idea.

College kids, athletes, high schoolers, soldiers, employees, children --
they are all people.  If the only way you can reach them is through some
form of violence, be it verbal (profanity) or physical (bullwhips), then
you are a very poor communicator and a horrible educator.  This applies
to teachers, coaches, parents, army officers and bosses.

The sad thing about Bob Knight and his antics is that he is giving a
tacit blessing to profane language and corporal punishment, which by a
very short extension lead to child abuse and similar acts of violence
toward the weak and helpless.  And then people like T-Bone, who should
know better, support Knight with some half-assed notion that ``those
kids need it.''

Very sad.


--Gidi


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: mwhanley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Hanley)
Subject: Re: The 3 Best of All Time
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 22:21:50 EDT

	The SU - Villinova 1980 Big East final that went into
triple overtime was a pretty good one.

-matt
From: beineke@molest.ugcs.caltech.edu (Phil Beineke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Don't call them fans (was Re: SOME Michigan Fans...)
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:10:03 GMT
Organization: /home/beineke/.organization

In article <1992Apr8.163345.1031@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jrh28960@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason R Holdman) writes:
>  Does anyone remember that in 1989 when the Michigan team WON the NCAA
>  Championship, the fans in the streets of Ann Arbor caused over $100,000
>  worth of damage, and this year they were rioting in the streets after the loss.
> It looks like SOME Michigan fans are even worse winners than they are losers
 
Please don't confuse the rioters with fans of Michigan basketball.  Despite
phenomenal seat locations, UM student season tickets did not sell out. Less
than ten percent of the student body bought them.  And as far as I can tell,
relatively few members of the rowdy mob that chanted "Tear gas" were the loyal
fans who suffered through 90-91 year.

phil beineke
Michigan sophomore using a caltech account
beineke@um.cc.umich.edu
or 
beineke@ugcs.caltech.edu