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From: Eric.Eskam@f234.n209.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Eskam)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Memory...
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:16:32 -0800

I can use the .98 boot, but when I try to use the .97c root, I get an
OUT OF
MEMORY error that just keeps perpetually scrolling...

I can use the .95a root, but it doesn't list any sda devices, and I have
a
SCSI drive (adaptec 1542B) so, as they say, I have a problem :)

I have an 8 Meg, '386/33Mhz motherboard with AMI bios.  I got my root
image
from tsx-11.mit.edu

I don't know what could be causing the problem, but I am open to
suggestions
as I would like to play with Linux too :)


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: 881244y@dragon.acadiau.ca (Yeo Choon Lin)
Subject: linux and stacker
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:16:55 GMT

Hi,

I plan to install linux on my 386 pc, which is already running a stacker
program. Can someone tell me if there will be any conflicts between these
software? Is there an option for installion which will least affect the
DOS programs already resided on the hard disk? 

Thanks. 
Yeo

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Subject: Re: SLS... Will they now include XFree86???????????????????
Reply-To: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:19:54 GMT

Excuse me, but could you please take this discussion (Monty python
quotes) off comp.os.linux?  It doesn't seem to be related to linux at
all, and people have been complaining about the volume of the newsgroup.

Thanks!

						- Ted
From: steve@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Steve M. Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Any mail or fakemail available for linux ?
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:33:30 GMT
Organization: Chiral Symmetry Breaking, Inc.

In article <1992Oct10.014022.28392@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
>maniac@cleanhead.cs.unlv.edu (Eric J. Schwertfeger) writes:
>
>>is there a mail package available for linux?  I don't need it to
>>send files accross the net, just so that users can leave messages
>>to each other.
>
>Try 'mailpak' (which consists of elm, smail, and uucp). I forgot
>which version though (I think mailpak 1.3).
>
>I had problem with delivering mail, eg from a user to another user.
>It's got something to do with suid/sgid of the mail transport agent. 
>So I downloaded 'procmail' and use it as a local MTA (lmail).
>[I downloaded the source code for procmail, and compiled it without
>a single change]. Works like a charm : elm + procmail + smail [+ uucp].
>Now... I just have to get this uucp going.... 

For the zillionth time:

If you have elm and smail 3.1.25, you don't need anything else for local
mail.  No procmail, no sendmail, no lmail, nothing!  Honest!

But you have to make sure that ELM is NOT setgid, and that you configure
it that way.

>[uucico dials the remote system, but doesn't execute the chat script as
>expected. So it times out. Setting the -x to 5 or 10 didn't help.... 
>since I couldn't see the msg. where did the debugging output go ?

This depends on how you configured uucp, but it should be somewhere under
/usr/spool/uucp/

>Any recommendation on uugetty ? I'll try getty_ps.]

This is the one I recommend :-)
-- 
Steve Robbins  --  steve@nyongwa.cam.org
I asked Hank Williams "how lonely does it get?"
Hank Williams hasn't answered yet.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: klode@syslab.csd.uwo.ca (Claude Morin)
Subject: Re: At last: the media woke up
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:18:04 GMT

Most of my column (MicroScope) in the Oct-Nov issue of _Algorithm_ is
devoted to linux.  Note that since _Algorithm_ is for hobbyists, I had to keep
it *very* simple.
---
Claude Morin
(that's "klode", NOT "clod"...French :-)
London, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hans@mo.hobby.nl (Hans Oey)
Subject: Re: 600Meg CD's and file systems
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:44:33 GMT
Organization: Makkee & Oey

erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
>Hans Oey (hans@mo.hobby.nl) wrote:

>: I use rewritable magneto-optical disks (650 Mb on two sides)
>: with the extended file system. As long as you don't change
>: media everything works fine.

>Why is that?  As long as you unmount, change, then mount, I don't understand
>the problem.

>: Why is the partition table read at boot time?
>: IMHO it should be done when opening the device file.
>: On Interactive and Esix I could use the disk in the same
>: way as a larger floppy for file systems and tar/cpio archives.

>The BIOS does it, too.

Let me rephrase the question.
Why is the partition table not read when opening the device file?
Of course it is OK to read it when booting. By all means,
read it a hundred times when booting.

But if you change the media afterwards and don't read the
new partition table when mounting the new disk, you are in
for a nasty surprise.
I must admit I haven't looked any further into the problem,
so it could have another cause ;-)
Does anybody know whether mount gets the new partition table
on a SCSI disk?


--
Hans Oey
hans@mo.hobby.nl
From: eoi@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Chenmin Zhang)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: XFree 1.1 runs color on my Trident 8900C card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keywords: XFree 1.1 runs color on my Trident 8900C card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:35:44 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

Several days ago I download XFree386 1.1 version from tsx-11.mit.edu site
on my 386sx-25 box.  Yesterday I finally got X running in color.   
It's so wonderful to see how far linux has gone since it was born.  I am 
not unix expert, but I could share my experience for someone who is
interested.

My machine configuration:

386SX-25 CPU
Trident 8900C (0x04 version according README.trident) with 1M on board.
TVM super VGA monitor capable 1024x768 non-interlaced display.      
105M IDE Seagate hard drive with DOS on C: (66M)
                                 LINUX on D: (3M+30M+6M for / /usr swap)

 
I have no problem running xeyes, xgas,  and xcalc programs (tried so far)
but xtetris program doesn't run and gave some error message like:
something cann't covert to pixmap or bitmap stuff.  Is there some fonts
I missed?  I installed XFree386 1.1 using Xbin, Xfonts (5 total ???)
only.  

----
chenmin
From: hayes@cpsin2.cps.msu.edu (Hayes John H)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: problem with GCC
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:40:06 GMT
Reply-To: hayes@cpsin2.cps.msu.edu (Hayes John H)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: hayes@cpsin2.cps.msu.edu

I'm using gcc 2.2.2d and linux .98. Occasionally, when I run a small
program created with gcc, function printf won't produce any output on
the screen unless I specify the full path to the binary when I run it,
e.g. #test will produce no output on the screen, however
#/home/usr/jhh/test will produce output on the screen. To be honest,
I've been logging in as root, as I'm having problems getting Xwindows to
run for anyother user than root. I'm working on this also.

If anyone can shed some light on my printf problem I'e appreciate it.

Thanks, John Hayes 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: radel@bach.udel.edu (Todd Radel)
Subject: Re: Any mail or fakemail available for linux ?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:39:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.211748.15603@athena.mit.edu> duncan@erim.org (Robert Duncan) writes:
>| The /var/spool/mail directory on our SPARCserver clusters is also 1777.
>| It's not much of a security hole as long as a mailbox exists for each
>| user that is at least length 0 and is chmod'ed 600.
>| 
>| Assuming the above holds true, nobody can delete, read, or write to other
>| people's mailboxes.  All you could do is create a new file in the directory,
>| which doesn't seem to be very harmful...
>
>The problem is that someone could write a large enough file to fill
>up the partition, thus keeping any new mail from being stored there.


Yes, but there's plenty of other places on the /usr filesystem that
could be similarly sabotaged.  The mail directory itself is fairly
secure.

-- 
Todd Radel                   | "Hello.  My name is Inigo Montoya.  You killed
Honors CISC undergrad        | my father.  Prepare to die."
University of Delaware       | "STOP SAYING THAT!" -- _The_Princess_Bride_
Call the Politically Incorrect BBS! (302) 837-8088 V.32bis/24hrs Fido 1:150/380
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David Giller)
Subject: Re: Chicken and egg: How was the first linux gcc binary created??
Keywords: gcc linux egg chicken soup
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:04:00 GMT

meetch@DIALix.oz.au (Mitchell Brandsma) wrote:
>In <1992Oct10.124926.12423@engr.uark.edu> tep@engr.uark.edu (Tim Peoples) writes:
>
>>   As I was standing in the shower this morning I was thinking (I do
>>my best thinking in the shower) "How did Linus generate that first
>>gcc binary?"  This was prompted by a newbie question about compilers
>>where he said something like "I can't compile a compiler until I have
>>a compiler to compile it."
>
>Gcc can be compiled with cc.  Then to optimize it you'd normally recompile
>gcc with itself.  Ah, but then how did cc come about ?  Yes, it can get

Gcc can cross-compile.  I beleive this is how the first gcc binary
came about.  But memory fails me...

Also, remember that Linux, for a while, could co-exist with minix:
minix could have been used to compile for linux (a modified cc?).

-Dave
-- 
David Giller, Box 134 | Q: How many Oregonians does it take to screw in a light
Occidental College    | bulb?  A: Three.  One to replace the bulb, and two to
1600 Campus Road      | fend off all the Californians trying to share the
Los Angeles, CA 90041 | experience. ---------------------------rafetmad@oxy.edu
From: court+@CMU.EDU (Court Demas)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: libco2.2.2?!
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:12:04 GMT
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



In the process of upgrading to the new SLS release I deleted my entire
collection of old and (seemingly) useless libraries - bad move.  I now
can't run any of the tcpip stuff!  

I looked through every file in the packages/GCC directory and I could
not find the libso.2.2.2 (or something like that) that I needed.  Is
there some where I can either get that file or get new binaries OR get
the source so I can compile them myself?


thanks,

court
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: maniac@brownie.cs.unlv.edu (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
Subject: Looking for LPD
Reply-To: maniac@brownie.cs.unlv.edu (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 22:47:12 GMT

Does anyone have the LP server ported to Linux?  I need to find one, 
preferably with source.  It will be used with lpr on other
networked machines, so print-spooling utilities that pretend to be
lpr won't work.

-- 
Eric J. Schwertfeger, maniac@cs.unlv.edu
From: spcberto@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu (Robert Osterlund)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: SLS installation nightmare:  broken change-line support
Summary: problem "solved"!
Keywords: SLS, install
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:34:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Oct15.153408.1937
Organization: U of Chicago, SSPPCC


One kind soul, Roger Wolf, was good enough to suggest a solution to my
problem with broken change-line support.  He wrote:

>I usually do the equivalent of
>
>dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/null bs=1k n=8192
>
>to flush the buffers, when one of my buffers in the cache gets corrupted.
>
>                                Roger
>P.S. You may check if the n= parameter is really called "n" and not
>something else.                                                                           
Following his suggestion, I wrote a shell script, cfd (for "change floppy
disk"), to automate this process.

Usage:  cfd -t <minix|msdos> -f <0|1> -m <mntpt>

Basically, all this does is umount the previous floppy, prompt for insertion
of the next floppy, dd its contents to /dev/null, then mount the new floppy
at the designated mount point.  The process takes about 60 seconds (ouch!).

Curiously, if I set "if=/dev/fd0h1200" the buffer doesn't flush
successfully, but if I set if=/dev/fd0" it does.

It's a kludge, but--hey--it works!  I'll have to live with it unless and
until somebody makes the necessary kernel mods or creates/extends a Linux
utility to deal with the problem.

It should have been clear that the problem stems from my floppy drives
being broken.  I don't fault the designers of Linux or the packagers of
the SLS distribution at all for not foreseeing this problem.  Still, it
would be great if somebody could solve this problem cleanly.

Anyway, how cool!  I've got DOS & UNIX both on the same box!

Bob Osterlund
Social Sciences & Public Policy Computing Center
University of Chicago
From: vds7789@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Vincent D. Skahan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Smail (from Mailpak 1.3) won't compile
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:43:39 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: none

erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
>Vince Skahan (vince@halcyon.com) wrote:
>: Incidentally, the Taylor uucp 'smail3' is *NOT* smail3.1 !
>: It's smail2.5, which is from about 1987.  It's pretty simple to
>: get the 'real' smail3.1.28 to compile under Linux.
>: 

>smail-3.1.28 will be included in mailpak-1.4, which will be released as soon as
>taylor-uucp 1.04 gets out of beta.  Currently, everything works except the
>bidirectional 'i' protocol.

thanks Ed!!!!

>I'm considering asking Ted to make space on tsx-11 for mailpak, so people can
>get the pieces they need - I've got cnews up and running, as well as elm-2.4,
>taylor-uucp 1.04, and smail-3.1.28.

well, last night I put together the long rumored (threatened?) 'newspak 1.0'
which I'll try to upload this weekend to tsx-11 and sunsite.  At this time
it contains the following:

	- Cnews 
	- tin1.1pl4
	- trn2.2

All in source form with proper config files and sources already patched
(if needed, with README.linux's) and ready to compile under gcc2.2.2d/jump4.1
I have all the above running at home totally automated, with the mail
functionality provided by 'mailpak 1.3' versions of elm2.3pl11 and Taylor
uucp 1.03

Lastly, if anybody has 'nn' running under linux, please get in touch
with me via email at home (vince@victrola.sea.wa.us)...

-- 
   ---------   Vince Skahan   -------- vds7789@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com -------   
 No matter how peaceful our little patch of life might be, somewhere, at the
 exact same moment, there is an ongoing scene of almost incomprehensible
 madness...                                        - Doonesbury
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: cae@davidge.com (Caleb Epstein)
Subject: Laptop Linux
Summary: dream machine
Organization: Davidge Data Systems Corp., NYC, NY
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 17:18:01 GMT

    Greetings, Linuxers.  I have *finally* gotten my grubby
hands onto a boot/rootdisk set (.97 - I know its old but its
all I've got) and have turned my laptop into a Linux box.
Boy was it fun nuking that DOS partition!

    Thanks to Linus and to everyone else who is responsible
for unleashing the power of my '386.  We're both much
happier now.

-- 
[ Caleb Epstein ][ Davidge Data Systems Corp, New York, NY ][ cae@davidge.com ]
[      Someone's definitely jumping into the tub ... with your brother!       ]
From: rick@ee.uwm.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Standard Speed/Length RS-232 Cable Limits
Date: 15 Oct 1992 14:43:23 GMT
Organization: Just me.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33
Summary: It's more about hardware than EMI.
Keywords: cable, length, RS-232, speed, limit

smace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Mace) writes:
[...]
>>	38400		12			3.7
>>
>At  home I can run 38400 baud over a 100ft length with 0 errors.  At
>work, I can rarely get more than 20 ft.  It all depends on the amount of
>electromagnetic interference.

No, Scott.  Trust me on this one, I'm an engineer.  Yes, EMI does factor
into it... but more than that it's the 'strength' of the hardware on both
the sending and receiving ends, along with the characteristics of the
media (cable) by which the signal is carried.  Things that will affect
the speed-per-distance ratio are:

	1.  The output impedance of the final line drivers.
		The lower their output impedance, the more
		quickly they can raise/lower the signal.

	2.  The noise margin of the input buffers.
		A wide noise margin prevents noise from changing
		the sense (1 or 0) of data bits, but requires the
		signal to undergo a longer transition before
		acknowledging it as legitimate data.

	3.  The *type* of final line drivers.
		Some of the simplest line drivers are sort of
		'one-sided'...  They're really strong when driving
		the signal to one state, but not so good going to
		the other state.  Better drivers use two such
		circuits combined in what's called a "push-pull"
		combination so that the opposite-polarity 'sides'
		of the circuit each drive the output only in their
		strong state.

	4.  Line characteristics.
		This is a *big* one.  It includes line impedance
		*AND* characteristics induced by the input circuit(s)
		at the receiving end(s).  There are one-sided input
		circuits just as there are one-sided output circuits.
		They can make the drivers' job easy for one state, and
		difficult for the other.

If you've a mind to get into this mucketty-muck, remember MOSFETs are nice.

It has been justly observed that ignorance is preferable to error.N.Webster
Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>   Ricxjo Muelisto
Occupation:  Husband, Father, WEPCo. WAN Mgr., Discus Sys0p, and  Linux fan
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ede@kadabra.osf.org (Ted Ede)
Subject: Re: impending SLS update notice
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:51:22 GMT

To all those that ask when....

In article <1992Sep24.150423.19940@athena.mit.edu> pmacdona@tadpole.bcsc.gov.bc.ca writes:
>
>The new release of SLS (0.98) will be out by next Tuesday Sept 29 or so.  


Peter, will you please just tell everyone it's going to be another X days
or so to keep everyone that asking from asking...

ted


  Ted Ede -- ted@world.std.com -- on contract at the Open Software Foundation
     -- All views expressed are mine unless explicitly stated otherwise --
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: walker@beeble.omahug.org (Art Walker)
Subject: Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?
Organization: Beeble Planning Commission
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:50:15 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Chris Patti (feoh@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu) wrote:
: Indeed. The amiga *WAS* a fantastic , state of the art machine that was blowing
: people away with mind blowing graphics and sound when "Multimedia" wasn't even
: a word many PC owners knew.. But those advantages have long since past. I'm
: posting this from the same Amiga 2000 I've had for about 4 years, before that
: I had a 1000.  One would think that I'd go out and get a 3000 right? wrong..

I hear 'ya.  I own an Amiga 2000, and I'm looking at 486 boxes to run Linux 
on.  (In fact, I'm posting this from a friend's Linux box via a dial-up, and
the more I use it, the more I'm impressed by it.)

- Art



-- 
Art Walker, Somewhere In Iowa           |            walker@beeble.omahug.org
"...the hateful :) which means 'just kidding' and is used by people who would
dot their i's with little circles and should have their eyes dotted with Drano."
					- Penn Jillette on 'smileys'
From: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: where to place new X libraries???
Date: 10 Oct 1992 17:45:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu



when I unpacked xfree86-1.1 the other day it put the X libraries
(libX11.a through liboldX.a) in /usr/X386/lib. However, when I
want to make a binary , it couldn't find them, so I copied them all
to /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.2.2d and things worked.
Is there a better way to say make a link or something???
And where do I put the Widgets and stuff (Xmu, Xt, Xaw) in
/usr/X386/lib/X11? Some of my recent makes fail 'cuz it can't find
these.

Thanx in advance 

-- 
maThiEu a. LeWis    "ask me why and i'll die/and if you must go to work
cyber-mercenary      tomorrow/well, if i were you i wouldn't bother/for there
Thieves Like Us      are brighter sides to life/and I should know because I've
mal11@Po.cwru.edu    seen them/but not very often/am I still ill?"
From: gbh@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Da Hubster!!!)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Newbie... SLS and Xfree question???
Date: 9 Oct 1992 08:50:50 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Ok I have a 486-33, 8 meg ram, trident 8900c

I want to install linux and run Xwindows.  Now I have just installed 
the new SLS from tsx-11.mit.edu, what else do I have to do inorder to 
install XFree and have a running system???  

What is the total space this all will require???

If any one else has already done this could you relay any problems
or other info that you have???

Any help would be great!!!!!!!
From: pm2@doc.ic.ac.uk (Paul Ma)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Problem with SLS
Date: 13 Oct 1992 15:35:39 +0100
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak41.doc.ic.ac.uk

Hi,

I am having some trouble in installing the SLS.  The installation of the
minimal base system was fine.  But when I tried to install the extras with
"sysinstall", nothing happened.  Any ideas?

Paul.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:27:36 EDT
From: Mike Tierney <MBT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: *** Quick! *** Need Trident chipset info for X!
 <92289.140656MBT3@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Oct15.193558.16745@primerd.prime.com>

In article <1992Oct15.193558.16745@primerd.prime.com>, cummings@bbird8.Prime.COM
(Kevin Cummings) says:
>In article <92289.140656MBT3@psuvm.psu.edu>, Mike Tierney <MBT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
>writes:
>|>      You can run X in 1024x768 with almost any video card.
>|>      So really, as long as you stick to a popular chipset (such as T4000),
>|>      you should have no problems.
>Is it just me, or do these two sentences not agree when placed next to
>each other?  An ET4000 based is no where near close to "almost any video
>card",

     So sorry for putting two sentences in the same post that suggested
two different ideas.  Perhaps that's too many for some to take.  What I
generally meant was that while X386 will support almost any video card,
it is probably a good idea to stick to a more popular chipset so that
you will almost assuredly be able to use your card with X in higher res
modes with no problem.

>and further the Xfree86 software supports more video cards than just the
>ET4000 (though almost everyone who doesn't own one of the cards supported
>will agree that it doesn't support enough video cards!).

     I certainly didn't mean that!  I know numerous people running X under
Linux, and I'm almost certain I'm the only Tseng 4000 among them.  There's
really no need to pile flames on people who are simply trying to help others.
But then if it was any other way, it wouldn't be USENET, now, would it?

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Tierney    "You see, I don't want rudeness to be underestimated:
mbt3@vm.psu.edu  it is by for the most humane form of contradiction,
mbt@ecl.psu.edu  and in the midst of effeminacy, one of our foremost
mbt@eclu.psu.edu virtues." - Nietzsche