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From:  (Gerry Gryschuk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Morris Season begins Wednesday
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:28:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

From article <BvpL52.9sB@mach1.wlu.ca>, by brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u):
> Morris is a great starter. If you watch him, he will pitch damn near
> unhittably when it counts. His attitude is "all right, go ahead and hit my
> pitch. I don't give a damn about my ERA, anyway." He pitches to the
> scoreboard, which is how all pitchers should pitch! Yes, he gives up a lot
> of runs, but usually this happens when his team is already ahead. Put him in
> an NL-style 1-0 pitching duel and he will keep it that way (I believe he won
> a 1-0 game this year). 
> As soon as a game gets close, that's when Morris' arm starts to really pick
> up. This technique of "saving himself" is going to give him about five years
> longer in the spotlight than the alternative, which is throwing you hardest
> pitch EVERY pitch.
> 

IMO Morris is an average pitcher at best although he's pitched better lately.

There is no closer score in a ball game than 0-0. Knowing this please tell
me why Morris would not want to pitch his best right from the start?
--
Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months
gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
Go Habs!!!
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:53:04 GMT
Subject: Both managers err in ALCS game 1
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

The Jays-A's game was a classic example of management errors costing both teams.
What the hell was Stewart doing on the mound in the 8th against Winfield?  Is
Tony that stupid?  Winfield had taken Stewart too the wall/over the wall on his
two previous at-bats.  It looked to me like Stewart was all done.  With a deep
bullpen what reason can be given for leaving Stewart out there?  And then
Tony complains after the game that the only thing wrong was that Stewart 
should have gotten the win.  Gee Tony if he hadn't been allowed to give up
the double to Winfield in the 8th he just might have gotten it.  This is not
the Stewart of 20 win fame, this is the guy who has had problems each of the 
last two years.  Give me a break.

And what the hell was Morris doing pitching the 9th?  The Jays have a deep
pen also.  Morris has won a lot of games but he also gives up a lot of runs.
His win totals are as much a reflection of the offence he has as they are of
his ability.  Did Gaston leave him out there to stroke his ego?  What?  Since
win does trying to get an individual credit for a win take priority over
winning period?

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From: saevans@l_cae13.icaen.uiowa.edu (Scott A Evans,,,)
Subject: Re: Designated Hitter Rule (was Australian Novice Asks Dumb Questions)
Originator: saevans@l_cae13
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:16:34 GMT
Reply-To: saevans@icaen.uiowa.edu
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

>>The one and only rule difference between the AL and the NL is the 
>>designated hitter (DH) rule. In the AL, another player bats in the
>>position that the pitcher would have normally hit in. In the World
>>Series, the rules for the home team are observed. In the AL park, 
>>there will be a DH, in the NL park, the pitchers hit (something
>>the AL pitchers have not done all year).
> 
> But does the AL DH rule *require* that the pitcher not bat?  Could
> either (1) All nine fielders bat or (2) the designated hitter bat in
> the place of one of the other non-pitching fielders?
> -- 
The rule as I understand it is that it doesn't need to be the pitcher.  As
an addendum, the designated hitter can go out and play in the field, but as
soon as he does this, the team can no longer use the designated hitter for
the rest of the game.

p.s. In high school or college baseball, often times the dh is used for a 
position other than pitcher, since the pitcher is often one of the better
athletes at these levels.  And can hit really well.

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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Good Luck, Pirates!
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:41:18 GMT
Organization: Clark University

I'm becoming quite a Pie Rats fan.  Don't ask me why, it's just
one of those things.  Maybe it's my Met-fan love for the underdog
coming out.  Maybe it's Jim Leyland and the way he looks like he's
going to collapse from nervous exhaustion.  Maybe it's Tim-Bill
Wakefield, the newest incarnation of the great baseball stereotype,
the Darling Rookie who Wins the Big Game.  Maybe it's Don "Stud
Muffin" Slaught's admirable behind.  Whatever it is, I hope that
the Bucs beat the tar out of the evil Braves (Jane, get that
damn fool sequined hat off your head!  Thank you).

Go Bucs!!!!!

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Runs Created
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 01:03:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.222139.24162@leland.Stanford.EDU> roberts@leland.Stanford.EDU (John Jacob Roberts) writes:
>Could someone please post the runs created formula?  A Bill James version
>is preferred if (showing my ignorance here) there are others available.
>Thanks in advance.

If I got it remembered right... :-)

A = (TB + .26 * (BB + HB - IBB) + .52 * (SB + SF + SH)))
B = (H + BB + HB - CS - GDP)
C = (AB + BB + HB + SF + SH)

RC = A * B / C

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:28:07 -0400 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Morris + Jays - CRYBABIES!

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 13-Oct-92 Morris + Jays -
CRYBABIES! KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu (543)

>   So the Toronto Blue Jays are upset because of the Eck's pump of the fist
> after fanning Sparague in Game 4.  What hypocritical cry babies!  Was it
> Roberto Alomar who threw his hands up in a touchdown celebration after homering
> off of Eck?  Am I correct in remembering that Jack Morris NEVER was emotional
> on the mound?  Eck showing emotion on the mound is comforting.  I hate stoic
> players.  Since Eck has a history of doing what he did, I think the Jays are
> over reacting.  Morris should be more concerned over his 6.00+ ERA in this
> series.

All of your points are valid, but....

1) there is a fine line between a show of emotion like clenching your
fists after a big strikeout and what Eck does.

2) It is more acceptable for a hitter to showboat after a dinger than
for a pitcher to show up a hitter.  I guess this is because a pitcher
records a lot more outs than a hitter hits homeruns.  This is just the
accepted norm.

When Eck does that stupid move, he angers the other team more than say
Bonds does when he hits a home run and puts his arms over his head(like
the ESPN clip we will see for the next 15 years).  I am not saying that
this is right, but it has been my experience as a hitter, not a pitcher.
 I can relate to a hitter much more than I can relate to a pitcher.
Date: Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 16:26:07 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NLCS Game #5 at 9:41
 <1992Oct13.153336.20166@access.usask.ca> <7637@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>

someone said that when a stathead's favorite player is attacked for having
a low batting average, the stathead will say, "yeah, but look at his obp,
a walk's as good as a hit."

i don't think that anyone actually said that.  a walk is clearly not as
good as a hit (in most situations).  what i think is said (or at least
what i say) is "yeah, but look at his obp, a .250 batting average is not
necessarily a bad thing if you take lots of walks, too."

consider rickey's 1991 season.  there are people who say that he had a
horrible season because he hit .268.  as if batting average were the
only thing that matters.  as if a guy who hits .268 in 578 plate
appearances with no walks, no homers, no doubles, no triples, no stolen
bases, and 30 caught stealings is the same as a guy who hits .268 in
578 plate appearances with 98 walks, 18 homers, 17 doubles, a triple,
58 stolen bases and 18 caught stealings.

yeah, rickey had a bad season - FOR RICKEY.  i'd take a guy who hits .268
in 578 plate appearances with 98 walks, 18 dingers, 17 doubles, a triple,
58 stolen bases and 18 caught stealings for my team any day.


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From: tmiller@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Pittsburg Fans
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:15:19 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct13.151808.15458@sei.cmu.edu>, dpw@sei.cmu.edu (David Wood) writes:


(stuff about Pittsburgh fans deleted)


> (*) Although they are not nearly as annoying as Braves fans and their
> asinine, mind-numbing moaning and chopping routine.  Couldn't some
> kind Atlantean please do the world a favor and assassinate Ted and
> Jane (and her sequined cap)?  Please??



  I'd love to.  If she did the Chop (tm) right, well, that would be
one thing.  But she has her own derivative, which is worse than the
real thing...


Thomas

(a Braves fan who refuses to do the chop or the chant - clapping and
 whistling works fine for me...)




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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Leave McCarver Alone!!
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:20:02 GMT

In article <10OCT92.03403190@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>Hey, leave McCarver alone!  I think he's great.  He's funny, he's
>smart, he's silly, he's cute.  Okay, he's only these things when
>he's broadcasting for the Mets.  For some reason he loses his charm
>when transplanted to national TV or (gag) the Olympics.  But in his
>years with the Mets he's had some great moments.  Maybe it helps to
>have Ralph "Driest Sense of Humor in Baseball" Kiner as a straight
>man.  What Mets fan will ever forget the Great Marmalade
>Controversy??  I think if Timmy just relaxes he'll do better.  
>The thing is, he's outstanding during the regular season, but he
>chokes in the Network Games...  

There's nothing wrong with McCarver that a new producer wouldn't cure!
According to "sources," much of McCarver's humor and personality are
being sacraficed for a "look" (so to speak) that CBS (as in Can't
Broadcast Sports) wants to portray.  McCarver has been told that what he
"gets away with" on WWOR will not work on the networks.  McCarver's
stance on it is to do whatever they want, they pay his salary (which is
a nice salary, according to the sources), they sent him to France for
the Olympics, and they fly him around the country in First Class.  What
more could he want!

Now the question is why is McCarver being picked on now when he wasn't
being picked on when he was at ABC.  Could it be that Curt Gowdy, Jr.,
then producer of baseball at ABC, understood the talent better and let
McCarver express himself?  I think the problem is NOT McCarver but CBS's
really screwed up notion of how to cover baseball.

>Sean McDonough, on the other hand, is a hot young prospect.  We in
>Red Sox country know Sean well and admire him greatly in spite of
>his professed opinion that the Sox should move out of Fenway.  He

Maybe he's right.  It took the Celtics this long to figure out that the
Bahsten Gahden is not a "charming place" but a run-down, old building
and it's time for a new one.

>needs more hair, though.  He should talk to Jim Kaat.  Who else
>remembers Jim Kaat when he was bald as an egg?

I always wondered if Jimmy was wearing a rug or was a member of the Hair
Club?!

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From: MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re: Braves in Fulton for '93?
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:28:57 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <401@sbmsg1.UUCP> acw@sbmsg1.UUCP writes:

> In article <16879887E.ISTRE-A@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> ISTRE-A@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU writes:
> There will be an Olympic Stadium built for the 1996 Olympics near
> the current AFC Stadium and shortly after that, the Braves will
> move to that stadium and AFC will be razed.

Actually, the Olympic Stadium will be razed too - partially! Looks like they
will remove part of it as the new stadium will have to be slightly larger than 
a baseball park to accomodate track & field and soccer - the two big Olympic 
sports. It still sounds a bit stupid to me, surely the stands that are surplus
to requirement once the Braves move in can't be that much of a hindrance? Why
raze something only a few years after it was built? 
 
> GO BRAVES!!!!   ...please.....

MARCU$
From: jhg8680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon  Hamkins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Fourth mediot stat?
Keywords: CBS broadcast
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:40:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvrL7n.5M8
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:

>That aside, the coverage didn't bug me too much.  It helped that the Braves
>won :->.  Congratulations to Chico "Mr. October" Lind on his home run.

I was surprised Tim McCarver said something intelligent about playing
for the big inning.  On the other hand, he kept saying things like if
you want to know how well a pitcher is doing, look at how many at bats
he has, and if it's 3 or 4 that means he pitched well.  Yeah, as if I
check the box score for the pitcher's batting stats to see how he
pitched!  He didn't say why I couldn't just look at the pitching
stats.

Since they seem so stuck on the "he's X for 23 in his postseason
career" stats, why don't they also do this for each two week period
throughout the season?  You know, we could have something like, "Thomas
is only 20 for 100 in his career on the 7th-9th weeks of the season.  He
just can't seem to take the pressure of those 7-9th weeks."

     ----Jon Hamkins  (hamkins@uiuc.edu)
         University of Illinios
         Urbana, IL
Date: Tuesday, 13 Oct 1992 11:23:17 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: A Real Test for the Jays.

regarding "the best team always wins."

bull.  the indians would have had ZERO wins over the last ten years or so.
they have considerably more than zero.



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From: bert@ide.com (Bert Beaton)
Subject: A's playoff tix - for sale
Originator: bert@taos
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 16:52:33 GMT


   I have an extra pair of tickets to each of the A's playoff games 
for sale.  The times and locations are listed below.
 
        Game 3, Sat. 10/10 - Noon    - Section 233 Row 10
        Game 4, Sun. 10/11 - 1:00pm  - Section 230 Row 16
        Game 5, Mon. 10/12 - Noon    - Section 233 Row 10
 
I'm asking face value, $40, for each ticket.  Email bert@ide.com
or call (415) 543-0900. 
-- 
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Interactive Development Environments		PHONE: (415) 543-0900
From: v124p7kk@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Darryl S Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Bring on the Braves...
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	It's about time the Jays made the World Series and I don't think
they're content just to "have the ALCS monkey off their back."  They're
on a roll and are getting pumped for Atlanta.
	On to the NLCS game... This could very well be the best baseball
game I ever watched.  I really think Pittsburgh should have won (but
Leyland was intent on giving Drabek the complete game), but what a clutch
hit by ??? !!  Anyways, it's nice to see Bobby Cox face his former team...
And let's hope this Series is half as exciting as last years...

Darryl Brooks                           GO JAYS!!
U at Buffalo
From: tj06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas J. Joyce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: BRAVES-PIRATES REPORT
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:14:48 GMT
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


The name is Wakefield. As in: Tim Wakefield. Apparently you like to get his
name correct about as much as Tim McCarver.

RE: Game 7. The Pirates showed why they were the leader in run production
this season. Also, Atlanta had some trouble in both the infield and outfield.
(Good question: Did Lemke and Justice scrap in the clubhouse again like
the last time they let a blooper fall between them?).

Nixon looked pitiful on the King's (?) double. He *should* have caught that
one. I fail to see what USA Today could rate Atlanta's outfield as even
with Pittsburgh; it has speed, but doesn't have the defensive skills that
Pittsburgh has. Pittsburgh's only outfield weak point is right field, where
the position is plattooned.

Bonds is back

Sign seen in right-center field at Three Rivers:

    CHOP
    THIS


On to game 6 and Tim Wakefield......not Wakeman......(you must be a YES
fan or something like that).

This is beginning to look like last year's NLCS....in reverse. 
Atlanta is up 3 games to 2 and going home. Only need to win one game?
Sound familar?

BUC the Fraves!!!!!!!!!!!!

tom
From: am001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Shark)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: result:  Braves 3, Pirates 2
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:03:17 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Atlanta won a thrilling come-from-behind victory by scoring three runs in
the bottom of the ninth to beat the Pirates 3-2 and win the NL pennant.  

GO BRAVES!!!

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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)
Subject: Dream World Series Matchup
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 04:18:26 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <QeqWA8C00WBK46tHBl@andrew.cmu.edu> tj06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas J. Joyce) writes:
>
>The name is Wakefield. As in: Tim Wakefield. Apparently you like to get his
>name correct about as much as Tim McCarver.
>
Of course, what I would like to see is Al Weiss batting against Bill Wakefield.

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I'd rather see Doug Dascenzo pitch than suffer through John Burkett's batting..
From: bc@campbell.Gwinnett.COM (campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Felipe Alou
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:46:34 GMT
Organization: Loose


  Someone asked about Felipe Alou's statistics as a player.
  Here they are along with those of his two brothers.

           G   AB   R    H   2B 3B  HR RBI  BB  SO  SB  AVG  SLG
  Felipe 2082 7339 985 2101 359 49 206 852 423 706 107 .286 .433
  Jesus  1380 4345 448 1216 170 26  32 377 138 267  31 .280 .353
  Matty  1667 5789 780 1777 236 50  31 427 311 377 156 .307 .381

  They each played for about 4 or 5 teams.
  All three were members of the 1963 Giants.

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From: dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till)
Subject: Take the load right off, right off me
Summary: rabidly pro-Jays, summary, non-woofing, possible waste of bandwidth
Keywords: Nice job, Oakland.  You have nothing to be ashamed of.
Organization: Very Very Happy People, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:46:05 GMT

It's been a long time coming.

I don't think anyone who is not a Blue Jays fan can really appreciate
exactly what we are feeling right now.  For those of us who have
suffered for this team over the last few years, yesterday's game
is like an enormous weight being lifted off our shoulders -- one we didn't
realize was quite *that* heavy until it disappeared.

The entire last decade has featured a succession of raising of hopes
followed by disappointments, some of which have been historically
gut-wrenching.  Every year, there's been a few new scars.  Consider:

1983:  The Great Bullpen Collapse of August.  Remember
Joey McLaughlin?  Randy Moffitt?  Jim Acker (yes, net.taterfans, the Ackman
was around even then)?

1984:  Dave Bergman versus Roy Lee Jackson (eleven foul balls followed by
one long tater).  The Jays getting to within 3 1/2, despite the Tigers'
hot start.  Dennis Lamp, master arsonist.

1985:  Jim Sundberg's wind-blown triple off Dave Stieb in game 7 of the ALCS.
(And, yes, that ball would have been a routine out on a normal day.)
George Brett.  Lloyd Moseby's trap in centre field:  to this day, I *still*
can't tell whether he caught the ball or not.

1986:  Henke and Key mysteriously collapsing in April.  The Red Sox putting
the season away with a winning streak in September, just as the Jays
finally had their act together.

1987:  We all know about *that* year.  Why bother bringing it all up now?

1988:  George versus Jimy.  The winning streak that was too little and
too late.

1989:  The 12-24 start.  The showdown series against Baltimore.  Rickey.
More Rickey.  Still more Rickey.  Canseco's long bomb off Mike Flanagan.
Rickey boasting that Ernie can't throw him out.  Parker versus Gruber.

1990:  Boston winning on the final weekend.  Mickey Tettleton cranking
a season-ending home run off Henke in Memorial Stadium (I was *there*).

1991:  The three-game slump against the Twinkies.  White, Carter and
Alomar trying to be the entire offense.  The great pitching of the
summer.  Juan Guzman not being able to do it all himself.

I apologize for wasting bandwidth and/or mailbox space with this, but
I'm so happy that I barely got any sleep last night.  Work -- other than
routine tasks -- is beyond me right now.  I am looking forward to the
greatest baseball experience of my lifetime.  I am nearly in tears.

Thanks.

--Dave "we've got a diamond, we've got nine men..." Till
e-mail path:  dave@silver.sni.ca or dave@snitor.uucp
proud fan of the 1992 American League champions (this isn't a woof, honest)