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From: ed@northstar.Stanford.EDU (Edward Wilson)
Subject: Re: Coast Guard Search on Tues night
Organization: stanford
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 18:29:25 GMT

It was a front page article in Wednesday's SF Examiner (really bad 
afternoon paper).  Here's what I remember from it:

The guy (24 years old, sailing for 8 years) started sailing at Crissy
at 4:30PM Monday.  He was out by the north tower when his mast broke.
It was really foggy so noone could see him and it was ebbing hard, at
around 5 knots.  He said before he knew it he was under the bridge and
heading out to the Farralones.  He sounds like he really had his head
together because he quickly dumped his rig and knew that the current 
would switch to a flood at 7:30PM.  He was carried out ~6 miles by then.
He was just swimming with his board at this time.

The cruise ship must have nearly run him over, since they did not see
him, but some passengers heard him yelling, so they threw over a bunch
of life preservers, called the Coast Guard, and kept going.

He said he heard the rescue boats and helicopters, but could not signal
them, and they could not see him because of the fog and darkness.

He paddled, guided by those annoying fog horns on the Golden Gate, and 
eventually ended up around Pt. Bonita (?) around 10:15PM.  It took him
another hour and a half to find somewhere to land safely.  He didn't
want to "go through all that paddling, then get pulverised on some
rocks".

He had bruised arms (from paddling), a sore neck (from keeping his head 
up, I guess), and some frostbite on his toes, but was basically alright.

I think he said something like it was a good humbling experience for him, 
and that he'd be sure to carry flares and a whistle in the future, but
no hint at all about not going out the next day.


This is what the Examiner says.  How close to the truth, I don't know.

Ed Wilson
Stanford Aerospace Robotics Lab
Mistral Energy, Hi-Tech 8'6", WindWings, flares, and a whistle
From: pang@cse.ucsc.edu (Alex Pang)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: mid-october in durham, nc
Date: 30 Sep 1992 18:11:46 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: arapaho.ucsc.edu

is there some nice place to go windsurfing around durham in mid-october?
my skills are at an intermediate level.  i would also like to know about
rental places, wind/water conditions.  thanks.

alex
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: boom recomendation (was stuck boom)
Date: 3 Oct 92 06:30:41 GMT
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD

>Does this seem reasonable?  I was hoping chinook would try to do me
>better.  I was hoping for a $50 arm, but if they don't have one maybe
>I'm beeing unreasonable
>
>Should I call chinook and whine or should I take the 120 dollar boom
>
>Andy
>----------
Call them and explain what happened.  You might mention that Helm kept 
it for a long time and didn't do anything while with Fleetwood booms
Helm has gotten very good warranty service (for me).  Less than 1 yr
on a boom - they should make you happy for free.

Kirk out
From: ds@doc.ic.ac.uk (David Sands)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Tiga 268 SLR (was: Re: BIC Adagio comments??)
Date: 30 Sep 1992 17:10:22 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: platypus.doc.ic.ac.uk
Keywords: BIC Adagio

In <1992Sep30.151631.15820@nntp.hut.fi> jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) writes:

>Does anyone know anything about the new Tiga 268 SLR?

This info is summarised from `Windsurf', October 92: For the first
time the blanks where made directly from disk, so are supposed to be
more accurate (apparently this can be a problem for blow-moulded
designs). They say it is faster than its predecessor, the 270, and
gybes better too (but then they would say that wouldn't they!). Its a
double concave design (which is a bit of a surprise), 56.4cms wide,
estimated vol 95l, 9kg.

D.


--

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From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Subject: Re: Great Whites at Hatteras
Reply-To: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Organization: Economics Department, University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:27:35 GMT

stu@otop23.oto.dec.com (Stuart MacKay) writes:

>I heard one the other day that I thought was interesting (or bulls**t :)

>Apparently, Australias great white population has been over fished (killed).

>Because of this, Cape Hatteras is now the largest population of
>Great White sharks in the world.  So much so that people are now
>afraid to sail on the ocean side and stick to the sound.

>Has anyone out there heard this one?

No, but I doubt if it is true.  I would be very surprised if Hatteras
has more great whites than the California coast near San Francisco.
There was a funny story on rec.outdoors.fishing recently about some
fishermen whose boat was almost swamped by sea lions jumping on board
to escape a Great White.

I grew up swimming in the surf at Hatteras on long visits every
summer.  I rarely saw a shark, and never a great white.  (I did see a
10 ft.  hammerhead caught in the surf there once!)
--
T. Scott Thompson              email:  thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Department of Economics        phone:  (612) 625-0119
University of Minnesota        fax:    (612) 624-0209
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: titlow@zephyr.larc.nasa.gov (jay titlow)
Subject: Re: Good Sailing locations around D.C.?
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:20:17 GMT

In the immediate Washington area, the 2 most sailed places are the
Washington Sailing Marina just south of National Airport, and
Mason Neck State Park further down the Potomac on the Virginia side.
The Sailing is rather muddy, and debris can be floating in the water, but
it is the most convienent.  The best sailing conditions are due north
and south, but NW winds are sailable too.

If you want to make the 45 minute drive to Annapolis, try Sandy Point State
Park at the western base of the bay bridge, or Kentmorr Harbor just south
of the eastern base of the bridge... much better than the Potomac sites.

There are Wind Hot Line stations located at all these sites.  They may
help you from getting skunked.  Also, the winds reported at national
airport are pretty representative of the conditions at the Washington
Sailing marina. 

Happy Sailing.  Looks sailable today!
From: westes@sti.com (Will Estes)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: BIC Adagio comments??
Keywords: BIC Adagio
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:53:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: sti.BvD3LA.EH5
Organization: Mail Group

In article <price.717686708@helios> price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price) writes:
>I'm planning on getting a new board. for financial reasons and local dealer
>availablility, it will probably be a BIC. I currently sail an Astro Rock and
>what I'm looking for is a board that will be happier in higher winds and some
>chop. 
>
>My choices seem to be the Adagio and the E-rock. The e-rock is the more
>popular, but the Adagio is advertized as somewhat faster??

The E-rock is a recreational board, whereas the Adagio is more of a
racer's board.  The Adagio is definitely faster, but the main advantage
I found is that it handles chop much better.  The Electric Rock tends to
bounce more, whereas the Adagio just plows right over chop very
smoothly.  

Supposedly, next year's Bic line includes another 8'10" board, but it's
going to be something like an Electric that has been redesigned for
racers.  Personally, I'm hoping that it will be more of an 8'10" bump
and jump with decent speed.  The new board will have the new Powerbox fin box,
whereas the Electric Rock still uses the older fin box.
-- 
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: ngs@sailor.bellcore.com (Ned Stoffel 21374)
Subject: Danielle
Reply-To: ngs@bellcore.com
Organization: Network Technology Research Lab, Bellcore
Distribution: nj
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:55:37 GMT

I thought Danielle would give us some good gale-force sailing, but
all the wind was at night at the north NJ shore. I sailed a 6.4 until 
5pm on Friday and a 5.5 until sunset. The winds were still picking up 
until 1am, but by Saturday morning there was nothing left. The official
report was 8mph at Belmar at 8am! I imagine the timing was a lot better
in South Jersey.

Ned



Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: irene@cellnet.com (Michelle (Irene) Economy)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: *** Stuff For Sale ***
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:45:42 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Domestic Automation Company


               *** WINDSURFING EQUIPMENT FOR SALE ***

        Mistral Tarifa Sailboard  10'10" LCS/Carbon construction
        Mistral 15' epoxy mast
        Windsurfing Hawaii clamp-on booms
        Neil Pryde 5.8m2 RAF slalom sail
        Mistral universal, base, and extension

        Excellent condition
        $675 complete

        Contact: Cary Bishop or Irene Economy  (415) 940-1914
                 or send email to irene@cellnet.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: Jumping -  Port/Starboard
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:45:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.194523.29330@SSD.intel.com> rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal) writes:
>Wilton:
>
>I haven't talked to anybody who doesn't have a favorite side for
>jumping, jibing, SPEED(!), etc.  I can duck-jibe easily from starboard
>tack, but I have a hell of a time executing it from port tack.  I seem
>to sail faster on port tack.  In five years of high wind sailing, I've
>NEVER been thrown over the handlebars while on port tack!  Now that's
>just plain wierd.
>

I agree. Its wierd. I jump, duck, jibe, laydown, speed, and *FALL* better on 
starboard :-) The crazy thing is I'm somewhat ambidextrous. I right with my
right hand, throw with my left, box south paw, play tennis righty, bat lefty,
shoot baskets lefty, and so on.

Then again I learned to windsurf on mostly NW winds. This equates to starboard
jumps where I sail exclusively. Most people I've talked to are better at 
starboard. They all learned at the same place!

-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 18:25:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Monofilm lifetime ?
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>Hi,
>what is the usual lifetime of a monofilm sail ?
>I saw F2 Grand Slam sail completely destroyed after
>two seasons on sun. Is it with all monofilms that bad ?
>
Two seasons of sailing over 100 days per season is possible in some
places.  50% of that time most use their "typical" sail so 100
uses out of a high performance race sail could be excellent if
it were sailed an average of 2 hrs per session.  I've heard 100 hours 
on a sail and then you should sell it while it still has good resale
value from some people I know.

>Karol.Fabian@uakom.cs
>----------

Kirk out
From: wiltonh@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Wilton G Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Jumping -  Port/Starboard
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:35:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.7121

As I was sailing this weekend a couple of questions came to mind.  Over the
years I have noticed that jumping is much easier for me when I am on port
tack (left hand next to the mast).  It seems much easier to gets lots of height
and land without making a big splash.  On starboard I do not get as high
and I often spin out on landing.  

The place that I sail the most, has good jumping on both tacks so opportunity
is not the problem.  

My first thought was that my sail control must not be as good on one tack
compared to the other.  If that were the case then I would jibe one way
better than the other and this is not true.  If the wind is good, I can sail
for hours without missing a jibe on either tack.  My second thought was about 
foot control.  Here is where I have questions.

I know that on skate boards and snow boards some people like one foot in 
front and other people are opposite.  For those of you that do crossover
sports, does your good jumping side correspond to which foot you like 
forward?  

During September the wind has been great in the Gorge.  There have been a
number of days when you could get air 3 or 4 times in one reach across the
river.  If everything works correctly, you can land a 15 to 20 foot high
jump without getting your ankles wet.  I would like to be able to double
my air time by jumping equally well on both tacks.  So far it is not 
happening and I think that understanding the problem is at least half the
battle.
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Coast Guard Search on Tues night
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:53:53 GMT
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD

>Maybe someone who knows the layout at Crissy better than I do can answer
>this: why would this guy not just paddle cross-current toward the Marin
>shore right away?  What's the logic in letting yourself get dragged out
>6 miles and waiting for the current to reverse?  I would say he is one
>seriously lucky dude, because at some point out there the currents start
>to go north to south, and once you get caught up in that you are not in
>good shape.
>-- 
>Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
----------

Think of it as vector arithmatic:

       
Rocks & --                 --
 Cliffs   \  Marin        /
           \            /
            \          /
             \       /
              \____/
                ||
                ||
                OO    North Tower
                ||
                ||
        <-------||- X  GG Bridge center span
         5 knots||
                ||
                OO    South tower  (1 mile from N Tower)
                ||
                ||
               /  \
             /      \
            /         \------------
                          Crissy
             San Francisco

Say you fall at center span in a 5 knot ebb.  You are about 1 mile from either
shore and further if you drift since the bridge is on a point.  If you were
Superman and could paddle at 5 knots North, you'd reach land well NW of the
bridge.  This location is very dangerous with big waves, rocks and cliffs.
BTW, I'm a good swimmer and I can swim 3000 yds in just under an hour in a
nice warm pool.  This would mean If I left Alkatraz Island towards SF in a
5 knott ebb, I'd be about 2 0r 3 miles out the gate before I'd be even with
the SF shore.  This is why Alkatraz was considered "unescapable" as a prison.

Kirk out
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: gb0wbff@vm.tcs.tulane.edu
Subject: Re: Insurance for Windsurfing Equipment
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-27823]: boxorain.sob.tulane.edu
Organization: Freeman School of Business, Tulane University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:07:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.214734.5404@SSD.intel.com> joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel
Clark) writes:
>The Coast Guard does not charge for towing boats because they don't do it.
>If you call the Coast Guard the first question they will ask is "Is anybody
>in immediate danger of being hurt".  They are generally talking to a BOAT
>via VHF not a windsurfer.  If the answer is NO (we are just out of gas. etc)
>the Coast Guard will offer to contact a "Commercial Assist" vessal to tow
>you in.  If you are on a windsurfer, you probably don't have a VHF (or phone).
>If you are in trouble on a windsurfer and the Coast Guard happens to be
>present, they will probably offer to take you aboard.
>
>joel clark
The Coast Guard use to do it, (tow everyone in) about 15, 20 years ago and then
the privatization of gov't services movement struck.  It was decided that the
CG would only rescue when there was some danger to life and/or limb.  If they
do otherwise, frequently any commercial towing services in the area will
protest to the local commander, etc. and the rescue vessel crew will get in
trouble.  Since everyone monitors VHF 16 they all can listen to any boat in
trouble.  All so at the time of this ruling I remember the CG was concerned
about liability.

With all this talk lately of breaking masts, fins,  does anyone ever carry a
handheld VHF if they know they're sailing alone etc.?            Rick
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Fresh water causes mildew on sails -- NOT!!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:15:47 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

>In article <66628@cup.portal.com>, sbixby@cup.portal.com (Steven W Bixby) writes:
>|> I have another comment about cleaning WS gear off for you folks...
>|> 
>|> Salt water doesn't cause mildew - if you can't hang your gear up to dry
>|> after rinsing with fresh water, or (God forbid) you're an inland sailor,
>|> mildew will form eventually.
>|> 
>

I always used to rinse and dry my sails after use. Now I usually put them away 
wet until 'next time' So far I havn't noticed any problems.

Now I only rinse them if they arrive home full of sand or mud.

Jim Munro


Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: choi@alice1.Stanford.EDU (Wonyun Choi)
Subject: ******************* Windsurf stuff 4 SALE *******************
Reply-To: choi@flamingo.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:51:46 GMT

I am posting this for my friend, so please respond to his account below.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Windsurf stuff to sell, Bay Area (CA, USA):

* 9'2" (280 cm) slalom board, Maui custom with Lewis race fin : 400$
* complete rig with choice of Ezzy wave 5.0 sail OR Xtreme Race 6.3 (with
cambers). This includes Rotho 2-parts mast, North wishbone, new Gaastra
mast extension, harness and more. Selling only with above board : 750$

Comments: the board is REALLY fast, but still easy to maneuver and able to
play with small waves, where it jumps high and far thanks to the high speed.
The Ezzy 5.0 is for medium to strong winds, easy to maneuver and robust.
The Xtreme (from Garda Lake, Italy) is for moderate to medium/strong
winds, with cambers and monofilm, light for a race sail (jumping is possible)
and relatively easy to maneuver. Enjoy ! Possibility to try the board before
buying it (please, only if really interested).

Contact : Claudio, claudio@flamingo.stanford.edu
Work phone : (415) 725 8795
Home phone : (415) 327 3515
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Sails and masts for sale
Date: 3 Oct 92 06:41:51 GMT
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD

Windsurfing Equipment:

1991 5.7m^2 Rushwind Gorge Slalom LE - $250
  Two camber inducers, six battens (2 w/tubes), monofilm
  Convertable, remove one or both CIs to work on jibes, waterstarts or
  waves.  Recommended mast:  Heavy weights (>190 lbs) stiff flextop.  I
  use a Fiberspar Blue 460/30 or (2nd choice) KC Fiber Slalom Plus
  (model 10513) equivalent to Fiberspar Blue 465/25 (if they had it).
  Lighter people would want a constant flex mast like Fiberspar Red
  460/25 thru 480/30.  Excellent Condition:  No rips, tears, cracks or
  repairs.

Fiberspar 1991 Blue 460/30 World Cup Carbon mast ($385?) list  -  $175
 (or $150 with the 5.7 Rushwind sail)

Note:  I bought both the mast and sail last year in early April.  I
switched to Sailworks in Sept.  so they should have many days of
excellent life left.  Wow, get a race sail and a race mast (only 4 lbs)
for less than the price of the sail new!

1989 5.1 Rushwind GS LE - $225
  Two camber inducers, upgraded RBS tube battens, convertable.
  I use the Fiberspar Blue 460/30 mast and can sail this sail way
  overpowered as it was designed by Bruce Peterson before he went to
  Sailworks (Sold Rushwind to Gaastra).  Just had a window replaced
  at a sail shop.  Great condition.

1988 5.0m^2 Gaastra Racefoil - $150
  Two camber inducers, five battens
  Excellent shape, I haven't sailed it in nearly 2 seasons as I bought a
  quiver of Rushwinds two years ago.

Ampro Turquoise Aluminum Mast - $100
 Constant Curve.  Ideal for 5.0 Racefoil.

$225 for the 5.0 and the Ampro mast.


   Kirk Lindstrom
   Work phone (408) 435-6404 (San Jose, CA)
   Home phone (408) 732-1507  (Sunnyvale)
 
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:33:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Sail Recomendation
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>Well, what do you know, the man himself showed up (Trevor Bailiss) and
>immediately produced a new camber inducer from his van which gave to me.
>
>He just earned himself some good customer loyalty and you will hear me
>recommending Waddell sails to anyone who is within driving range of
>their store in Santa CRuz.
>
>Jim Munro
----------

I should mention that I've had similar experiences with the Gaastra/Rushwind
representative who sails at Coyote Point quite a bit.  He's replaced for free
or sold stuff at cost for quite a few sailors, myself included.

Kirk out
From: mce5921@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Martin Emde)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Windsurfing
Keywords: test
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:01:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: 777 Electrical Systems, Boeing

What a bunch of board heads...
From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Tiga 268 SLR (was: Re: BIC Adagio comments??)
Keywords: BIC Adagio
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:02:06 GMT
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Distribution: rec
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology

In article <1acn1uINNpsi@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk> ds@doc.ic.ac.uk (David Sands) writes:
>In <1992Sep30.151631.15820@nntp.hut.fi> jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) writes:
>>Does anyone know anything about the new Tiga 268 SLR?
>
>This info is summarised from `Windsurf', October 92: For the first
>time the blanks where made directly from disk, so are supposed to be
>more accurate (apparently this can be a problem for blow-moulded
>designs). They say it is faster than its predecessor, the 270, and
>gybes better too (but then they would say that wouldn't they!). Its a
>double concave design (which is a bit of a surprise), 56.4cms wide,
>estimated vol 95l, 9kg.

I guess it might be a good replacement for my Tiga 270. I'm still 100%
happy with the 270, but I have already used it more than 100 times, so
I might sell it or trade it while the design isn't totally outdated.

The current 270 SLR is triple concave and it's just as fast or faster than
a Sputnik 270. (The February 92 test says that the Tiga is faster.)

If the concaves aren't really deep, I don't see why a double concave
would be so different from a flat-V design. Then again, I'm no expert
on board shapes.

Did they give "one foot off" widths for the new board? I think they tell
more than the overall width, because outline shapes affect the maximum width
quite a lot even though most of the time you are just riding with the tail of
the board touching the water.


-- 
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software
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From: gboates@admin.acadiau.ca (GARY BOATES)
Subject: Re: BOARDS ON SALE
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:04:44 GMT


>   Yeah.  I really wonder why people post "For Sale" ads in here at all.
>>Like I am really going to buy a used board or sail from somebody in
>>New Jersey, Colorado, or Bay Area.
>>
>>   C'mon, people, make use of the "Distribution:" part at the top, and limit
>>the for sale stuff to your local area.
>>-- 
>>    Steve McCarthy, speaking solo por mio       | "I'm not a C programmer,


I think if we all stick to using the Subject: "something for sale" we can 
skip it easily enough.  I find most of what is offered for sale on the net 
is overpriced and crap.  It would be nice to limit the net to a qualatative 
bargain venue (ie. you know - prototypes from Robby's quiver etc.) rather 
than a living example of the well-known social/capitalist/consumeristic  
malaise of individuals over-valuing their possessions - and trying to have 
someone validate these feelings by paying them "Big Kohanas"!

P.S.
	Stu - don't worry about sharks!! Worry about that I-95...