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From: strider@acm.rpi.edu (Greg Moore)
Subject: Re: where are the real keyboards?
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:28:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.164229.5890@hubcap.clemson.edu> charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:
>strider@acm.rpi.edu (Greg Moore) writes:
>>	Hey, Ii think you are all overlooking the obvious.  Think about how the
>>holodeck works.  people can feel objects that aren't there do to forcefields
>>and the like.  Why not have each "key" displayed on the flat pad produce a 
>>forcefield in the shape of a key. Each person could adjust the shape and feel.
>>So now you get feedback when you type, AND you can feel where the keys are.
>
>Why bother with all that needless complication?
>
	Because several people have pointed out that the current flat
boards offer no tactile feed back, making it difficult to find the 
keys without looking.  This is especially true when the keyboards can
be reprogrammed and the keys can move.  By providing a force field
of some kind you maintain the "flat" keyboard and gain tactile feeback.

>Maybe the special-FX guys didn't want people looking at their wonderfully
>futuristic control panels as in TOS and saying.  "Hey wait a minute!  That's
>an analog tape counter there!"
>:)
>
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From: jhpace1@eos.ncsu.edu (High-Tech Crazie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Technobabble questions
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:10:35 GMT
Reply-To: jhpace1@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: Secret_NCSU_group
Originator: jhpace1@c00414-313mn.eos.ncsu.edu


Ok, guys, a lot of people have been posting their own answers [Elf and 
Chris C.] to my question-posts about warp drive, impulse drive, gravity, etc.
I just met a guy here at NCSU with the Star Trek Tech. Manual, and don't need
the answers anymore - I'll just re-read the book.  Thanks anyway - some of you
have been real insightful.

So now I can say what everyone has been telling me - READ THE TECH. MANUAL!

:)


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NC State, Raleigh     |  Electrical Engineering

"Peace, through superior firepower." -  Minos V motto, ST:TNG "The Arsenal
                                        of Freedom"
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From: s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA])
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:50:58 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

NAG101@psuvm.psu.edu (Nick Giacobe) writes:

>This explains why a Klingon General has a patch over his eye rather than have
>it replaced.  Did you happen to see how that patch was put in place?  It looks
>like he had one of his counterparts hammer the nails in place... and I doubt
>he used any kinds of pain killers.

Ah but of course... didn't you know?

"Real Klingons don't use pain killers"

;-)

>--Nick

-richard (GA)


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From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Phasers Blasting Holes???
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:41:06 GMT
Organization: Aston University

duane@intermec.com (Duane Charron) writes:
: I thought that when a Phaser was set to kill,  the person was 
: vaporized instead of Blowing a hole in that person?  Is there a 
: setting for blasting a whole?  I guess it was in the script for
: the visual effect for the blood.  

Read the technical manual on this one.

(sandard phasers, the sort which are likely to able to be most easily 
obtained are preset to give a maximum setting of 3. That is heavy stun.
Presumably those in TUC had been modified to focus the beam more to give
a cutting tool. Stun settings use a broad beam so as to hit as much of the
CNS as possible)
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From: deboer@neptune.mcs.anl.gov (Ms. Jennifer L. DeBoer)
Subject: Re: Spock: biologically illogical
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago, Illinois
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:10:31 GMT

I remember reading in some book (_Spock's World_, maybe?  I don't remember)
that Spock WAS genetically engineered by a Vulcan/Human team of doctors; 
Daniel Corrigan (sp?) or something like that was the name of the human doctor.

I know this isn't cannon, but it does explain how Spock was born.  As to 
rather this "medical breakthrough" should have been possible, I figure that
anything is possible with fiction.

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From: foxx@foxxjac.b17a.ingr.com (TheFoxx "AJ")
Subject: Re: Real Power Question
Reply-To: foxx@foxxjac.b17a.ingr.com
Organization: "Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL"
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:59:17 GMT

Nick Giacobe <NAG101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen) 
|  says:
|> >
|> >        Lets not forget Battle Star Gallactica, and all its technology
|> >        Could the Cylons be the badest asses..........................
|> >        Could the Gallactic have superior powers over ST or SW........
|> >                        Let the debat begin..................
|> >
|> Yeah... but what about the crew from the ship in the movie _DarkStar_ ?  I
|> really think that thwy would have everyone beat hands down!  :-)

NoNoNo!  Troi would easily outclass them with her ability to 
cousel maladjusted bombs.  "I sense you feel a need to explode.  
Can we explore this?"  :-)
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From: barryc@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Barry Chiu)
Subject: Re: Real Power Question
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:27:08 GMT

In article <123620002@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen) writes:
>				THE NEXT QUESTION OF
>				WHO IS THE BEST IN WAR
>
>	Lets not forget Battle Star Gallactica, and all its technology
>	Could the Cylons be the badest asses..........................
>	Could the Gallactic have superior powers over ST or SW........
>
>
>			Let the debat begin..................

This guy is such a jerk! Flame him to death! Send him flaming e-mail!


>
>morty.....Man I would love to be Trois garter belt......................
> 


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From: rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:33:34 GMT

In article <archive.01v2@arb.uucp> archive@arb.uucp (CARL  L  SAGE) writes:
>  As regards point #3 (the backward motion of the Klingons killed in 
>null gravity) my supposition is that this is attributable to the 
>output of body fluid when shot. (Purple blood? What chemical do Klingons
>use for Oxygen transfer if it turns PURPLE on exposure to 
>atmosphere?)This concept fits into Newtonian physics (ie. For every 
>action there is an equal and opposite reaction) and was demonstrated
>during the Skylab missions when crewmembers threw a ball,they were 
>"pushed backwards" in reaction.
>
>  One point that has disturbed me tho is McCoy's apparent lack of
>knowledge of Klingon anatomy.It is implied (pardon me if my memory is 
>faulty here,I have only seen STVI twice,neither time on home video)
>that one of the reasons for his inability to treat Gowron (sp?) is 
>that,in addition to the massive nature of the injuries,he has limited
>skill when it comes to Klingon anatomy.But this is the same surgeon
>who on at least one occasion had between 50-100 Klingons on board the 
>Enterprise (Classic Trek,the episode name escapes me,it is where the 
>"emotion vampire" traps Kang and his crew aboard the Enterprise and
>stimulates the crews to battle so as to feed itself).The implication
>that he provided medical treatment for these "guests" is there,so how 
>could Starfleets most experianced flight surgeon forget this type of 
>data?
>  Age itself should not be a legitimate reason.Dr Albert Schwitzer
>continued to practice in the jungle into his 80's (anyone have a 
>precise age?) and this was in the "dark ages" of geriatric medicine
>compared to the Star Trek era.
>Also,in the Classic Trek episode "The Deadly Years",his memory and 
>activity level are shown to be quite good,despite the effects of 
>"Hyperaging".The same level of mental acuity is shown in his brief
>appearance in the ST:TNG episode "Encounter at Farpoint".If his mind
>is as sharp as shown in that episode,at the age of "One hundred thirty 
>seven years...according to Starfleet records."(Quoted from David 
>Gerrolds novelization),then WHY,when he is only 70
>(approximatly) at the time of STVI,does his memory fail him?
>

Why are the klingons in the films and TNG different from the kilngons
in TOS?

One explanation (with no basis, save plausibility) is that the klingons were
paranoid of genetically tailored bio-weapons, so they gen-engineered a 
seperate species to combat the Federation.  In the films, the only "true"
klingons we see in federation space are renegade opportunists, or, in
ST V & VI, diplomats.  McCoy has never had an extended opportunity to
examine a "true" klingon, so it is perfectly reasonable for him to be ignorant.
From: Abdul.Khaliq@brunel.ac.uk (Abdul Q M Khaliq)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: I wonder...
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:11:31 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK

I wonder what would happen if the Empire from George Lucas' STAR WARS
films were ever to meet the Federation? Perhaps we could discuss this?

:-)  :-)  :-)


Linus
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From: 0juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Gravity on STVI and TNG
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:05:33 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <92204.011557NAG101@psuvm.psu.edu>, NAG101@psuvm.psu.edu (Nick Giacobe) writes:
> You also have to take into account that the artificial field generators have
> a sightly more important job to do besides making objects fall down rather than
> float.  They have to shield from the effects of the acceleration and decelera-
> tion of the ship.  Gee... wouldn't it really be terrible if the field generator
> in the Krusher quarters went out just as Picard said, "Engage" and poor Wesly
> got pulverized into a puddle against a bulkhead when he was a small child?
> 
> 
> Sorry, back to Tech...
> 
> The filed genreators would therefore have to be located in all of the decks,
> overheads and bulheads to compensate for acceleration in all directions.  All
> you would have to do is indicate which direction you wanted as down and set the
> G-force level.  The field generators would have to compensate continually for
> any change in acceleration or direction thereof.
> 
> 
> --Nick

Sorry Nick,

     Wish it was that simple.
     According to the STNG: Tech Manual by Okuda and Steinbach, the Gravity
Field generators have to work side by side of two other types of generators
that generate a ship's Structural Integrity Field and Inertia Dampening field
(or something within that specification -don't have the book on me at this 
time).  These three fields have to compensate and for one or the other during
those types of emergencies and normal operations of StarShips.

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From: hinson@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Gravity on STVI and TNG
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:40:13 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <92204.011557NAG101@psuvm.psu.edu> NAG101@psuvm.psu.edu (Nick Giacobe) writes:
>You also have to take into account that the artificial field generators have
>a sightly more important job to do besides making objects fall down rather than
>float.  They have to shield from the effects of the acceleration and decelera-
>tion of the ship.
>
>The filed genreators would therefore have to be located in all of the decks,
>overheads and bulheads to compensate for acceleration in all directions.  All
>you would have to do is indicate which direction you wanted as down and set the
>G-force level.  The field generators would have to compensate continually for
>any change in acceleration or direction thereof.


This is the job of the inertial damping system.  I beleive that under
warp propulsion this is unnecessary because the warp field effects not only
the ship, but anything in the field. Objects and people in the ship would be
accelerated at the same rate as the ship automatically. 
However, with impulse drive, inertial dampeners create fields that simply
make sure that everything on the ship accelerates along with the ship, so
that nothing is left behind.

The Tech. Manual says that "this field is distorted along a vector
diametrically opposed to the velocity change," which is misleading.  Under
impulse drive, the ship is undergoing a velocity change, while everyting
in the ship would like to continue at the same velocity. The damping field
actually pushes things in the ship in the same direction as the ship's 
change in velocity.  Perhaps you could say that _relative to the ship_, 
people would look like they are being thrown in the opposite direction
of the ships acceleration. Then, _relative to the ship_, the dampeners
would oppose the apparent acceleration of the people.

-Jay
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From: dhuber@autelca.ascom.ch (Daniel Huber)
Subject: A question to beaming
Organization: Ascom Autelca AG, Guemligen, Switzerland
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 11:37:39 GMT


Hi there,

Yesterday I saw once again a STTNG show (Remember, I live in Europe. At the
moment there are shows from the third season. So most of the show I see
her, I saw already in the California years ago...).

I do not remember the english title. The story plays on Mintaka, where
Starfleet has an observation station to observe the people of mintaka.
Anyway, at the beginning, Dr. Crusher is beaming up to Enterprise with an
injured man from Mintaka. This man is laying on the ground, the feets lay
higher than the head. How will this man arrive on the Enterprise? Will he
arrive laying completely horizontally?
However, I saw similar things in other shows already. Eg. beaming a person
sitting in a shuttle on board of the ship and there he is standing. I
consider this scenes primarly as weak details.

Beside that, what other possibilities or weaknesses has the transporter on
the Enterprise?

- On a previous show, Geordy is experimenting with the transporter. He
  tries to beam a cylinder down to a planet with some kind of radiation.
  The cylinder comes back, but only partially (?!) in the previous shape.

- People arrives in another position as they had before (as described
  above)

Are there more inconsistences?

Daniel



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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:17:59 EDT
From: Nick Giacobe <NAG101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

In article <archive.01v2@arb.uucp>, archive@arb.uucp (CARL  L  SAGE) says:
>
>  One point that has disturbed me tho is McCoy's apparent lack of
>knowledge of Klingon anatomy.It is implied (pardon me if my memory is
>faulty here,I have only seen STVI twice,neither time on home video)
>that one of the reasons for his inability to treat Gowron (sp?) is
>that,in addition to the massive nature of the injuries,he has limited
>skill when it comes to Klingon anatomy.

Did you happen to see the ST:TNG episode where Warf suffers a crippling
back injury?  Even she admits that she has limited knowledge of Klingons.
So, she contacts the Klingon Home World and asks them for information.
Even THEY don't have the information she needs.  They tell her that in
cases of severe injury like that, they usually let the patient die.

This has to do with Klingon culture and the belief that once a warrior
cannot carry himself, he's not fit to be among the living.

I think this has more to do with McCoy's lack of knowledge about Klingon
anatomy.

>                                       But this is the same surgeon
>who on at least one occasion had between 50-100 Klingons on board the
>Enterprise (Classic Trek,the episode name escapes me,it is where the
>"emotion vampire" traps Kang and his crew aboard the Enterprise and
>stimulates the crews to battle so as to feed itself).The implication
>that he provided medical treatment for these "guests" is there,so how
>could Starfleets most experianced flight surgeon forget this type of
>data?

Maybe he never had this knowledge.  Have we EVER encountered a Klingon
Medical Doctor?  If they existed, there would have probably been one
among Kang's crew, and would have kept watch over his own people.  But I
tend to believe that one never existed.  I think that anything beyond
first aid is frowned upon by Klingons.

This explains why a Klingon General has a patch over his eye rather than have
it replaced.  Did you happen to see how that patch was put in place?  It looks
like he had one of his counterparts hammer the nails in place... and I doubt
he used any kinds of pain killers.

--Nick
From: keulen@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Michael VanKeulen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: where are the real keyboards?
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:47:33 GMT
Organization: Murdoch University

I recall from STIV that Scotty was quite proficient with a standard QWERTY
keyboard - once he figured out that he couldn't just speak with the computer.
I admit that I haven't paid too much attention to the difference in keyboard
styles between STIV and TNG, but surely the modus operandi wouldn't change that
much?  Perhaps they have different keyboards for different applications - sort
of reflecting the dedication of computers to particular tasks.  You wouldn't
expect to use a standard PC type computer and associated peripherals on the 
flight deck - you certainly don't on our aircraft, or other automated systems.
Just my $0.02 ...

Mike van Keulen
From: hinson@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Other 24th Century TV Shows
Keywords: 24th, TV, miscellaneous
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:19:29 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <151qp1INNo68@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>In article <7708@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> linley@ada.seas.ucla.edu
>(Bruce Linley) writes:
>>What about Buck Rogers? Oh, sorry, that was the 25th century. 
>
>What about Duck Rogers? Oops, that was the 24th and a half century.
                 ^.....

MAN, how we love to correct people...

Just thought I'd let you know that it's Duck DOGERS in the 24 and a half
century.

-Jay
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From: mackenzi@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Paul Mackenzie)
Subject: Re: Spock: biologically illogical
Originator: mackenzi@ice.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:39:40 GMT


There was a comment made in one episode about genetics and interbreeding.
The first episode with Worf's girlfriend (I forget her name - sorry, I 
guess I'm getting old), when Troi addressed her being a human/klingon mix,

Troi:  	  I didn't think Klingons and Humans were compatible.
Klingon:  They are, with a little help.

Perhaps this could mean some kind of genetic engineering?  Drs Crusher
and Polaski seem to know a lot about DNA, so maybe they had some genetic
breakthrough they don't specifically mention in the show.

--Paul
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From: Rannou@info.polymtl.ca (Patrick Rannou)
Subject: Re: where are the real keyboards?
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, Canada
	<1992Jul15.193945.2625@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
	<7822@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> <Brp95x.Dwz@newcastle.ac.uk>
	<1992Jul21.054733.29991@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:43:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.054733.29991@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au> keulen@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Michael VanKeulen) writes:


   I recall from STIV that Scotty was quite proficient with a standard QWERTY
   keyboard - once he figured out that he couldn't just speak with the computer.
   I admit that I haven't paid too much attention to the difference in keyboard
   styles between STIV and TNG, but surely the modus operandi wouldn't change that
   much?  Perhaps they have different keyboards for different applications - sort
   of reflecting the dedication of computers to particular tasks.  You wouldn't
   expect to use a standard PC type computer and associated peripherals on the 
   flight deck - you certainly don't on our aircraft, or other automated systems.
   Just my $0.02 ...

   Mike van Keulen


Duh. OK, let's try this: go to a computer and start up an application you
never used before. Let's see how fast you type...

Clearly, that STIV sequence was intended as a joke. Clearly.
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