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From: bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Date: 7 Oct 1992 13:27:31 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In <ROWATS.92Oct7112057@rowats.Software.Mitel.COM> rowats@Software.Mitel.COM (Stephen Rowat) writes:

>In article <26048@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan) writes...

>>>I'm putting on my flame suit :)
>>>I find the "what breed is that" or getting insulted by having your breed
>>mis-guessed to be a little on the pompous- side. I understand all the
>>>reasons
>>> for having breeds which have certain temperaments etc.  But...
>[Deletions]

I think part of it is that people don't have the sense to just ask, and
not just assume they *know* what type of dog they are looking at...

For example, my parents had an apricot miniature poodle that was a      
little (well, I guess a lot) overweight.  I can't count the number of times
that people mistook Puffin for a curly cocker spaniel, a lab puppy (!)
or an oversized pomeranian.  

Beth         


-- 
The brighest day in America will be when education has enough funding and
the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy a new bomber....My history
teacher (from the Wireless catalog) bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu, bets@ksuvm.ksu.edu
From: williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (It always scares me when something looks easy to do.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:28:32 EST
Distribution: world

In article <1992Oct7.200042.313@news.wesleyan.edu>, RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
> If you can stand another story:
> 
> I can't tell you how many folks asked me, when I got my new (buff-colored)
> Cocker Spaniel pup, if the (male!) Golden Retriever next door had "finally had
> puppies."
> 
> ------------------------
> Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
> Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Cute story!  Many people think that cocker puppies and golden puppies look
alike.  They do sort of, but I think the cockers have longer ears, are smaller,
and curlier.  They also come in more colors than goldens!

Kim
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: gators 'r us
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
	<9F49RB2w164w@penn.Gwinnett.COM>
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:48:26 -0500

In <9F49RB2w164w@penn.Gwinnett.COM>, Penn Collins writes:

>what reaaaaally urks me is these same dinks can't even TELL me what a pit
>bull looks like....(oh, and I always mention that Spuds McKenzie and the Little
>Rascals dog was one...(sigh))
the little rascals' dog *was* a pit bull.  lucanay's peter was a ukc registered
american pit bull terrier, as well as an akc registered staffordshire terrier.
(the breed has since benn renamed american staffordshire terrier.)

my source for this is ukc official magazine, "bloodlines."
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: serack@ninja.zso.dec.com (Ken Serack)
Subject: Need to find someone travelling from Boston to Seattle
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:39:59 GMT


My dog (a Gordon Setter) is in Connecticut, and I need to get her home
to Seattle. I hope to find someone travelling from Boston MA, Hartford
CT, or anywhere in that general vicinity, that would be willing to
bring her home as part of their checked luggage. I will pay all
the additional baggage fees, and you would not have to do anything at
either end of the flight. You would be met at both airports.

So, anyone that is travelling from this route after October 18, and is 
willing to help out, please call me or send mail.

Ken Serack
Digital Equipment Corporation
(206) 865-8808 work
1 800 332-7923 work
(206) 885-9083 home
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Stacey Curtis <sec@softserver.canberra.edu.au>
Subject: Malamutes in the Movies
Organization: University Of Canberra
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 06:05:45 GMT

Hi, I'm interested in getting a listing of the Movies that have Malamutes
appear in them.  So far I know of "The Lost Boys".  If anyone can help me
with this one please email me and I'll post a listing of all the titles
received.

Thanks in advance.

Stacey

eMail: sec@softserver.canberra.edu.au
From: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: getting rid of fleas
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:18:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096
Reply-To: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) 

On 10-13-92, JANE.A.HORODECK wrote to ALL:

J> I have recently discovered that, while I was happy to have my nephew and
J> his new dog visit, my dog and my house now have fleas! Yuck!

We went to visit friends for several days and came back with bunches of
fleas on our 5 bassets...

J> I have been advised by various sources, including the local pet supply
J> store and my vets office, that to get rid of the pests I need to treat
J> both my dog and house at the same time.  With very potent chemicals.
J> Several times.  And since my dog suffers from allergies, this is a
J> chancey treatment.

The FAQ has a lot to say about this.  We have found that there are three
areas to treat: the house, the yard and the dogs.  You should use a set of
products which kill the eggs as well as the adult and larval fleas.

J> Now I consider myself to be a fairly strong environmentalist and I would
J> like advice on how to treat the problems more safely, if possible.

Nice thought, but fleas are remarkable resilient...

J> My sister in FLA was told my her vet that BORAX kills fleas so she
J> periodically dusts her house with an Arm & Hammer Carpet product that
J> contains BORAX.  And she claims she does not have fleas in the house.

I believe that Borax is poisonous to dogs and other pets...  Check with
your vet.

J> I have also been told by a friend that fleas do not like Carpet Fresh.
J> She sprinkles that around and the fleas come to the surface of the
J> carpet and sucks them up with the vacuum. For particularly heavy
J> infestations she uses lots of the stuff a coupla times.

difference between "do not like" and "are killed by".  I guess that this
depends upon your tolerance of the little blood suckers.  My wife and I
cannot abide them in our house or yard.  At least one of our dogs is
terribly allergic to fleas as well...

J> I know I have to do whatever treatment I choose twice, 2 weeks apart.
J> But I am looking for a alternative treatments.  What say you?

Your choice.  As I said, we opt for the pre-emptive nuclear strike on the
little buggers.  The dogs are more comfortable (which is the reason for
having a house in the first place <g>) that way.

Regards, Mikey (michael.hagerty@nitelog.com)

 * JABBER v1.3B1 #B042 * Yeah, but what's the speed of DARK?
From: kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin J. Thommes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Humane Society Dogs
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:58:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw2Hpz.1Ct
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

After having an irish setter/labrodor mix as my constant companion for
14 years, I went away to school (and the dog BTW is still alive and well
and living with my parents :-), I decided to adopt a dog from a local
shelter.  He was way underweight when I got him and he is this big
moose of a dog, probably collie/doberman mix.  He has just been the BEST
dog (excluding my other one at home, of course!) and he always finds a
way to make me laugh.  My friends all make fun of him because he is so
silly- nobody ever told him that he is too big to be a lap dog because he
is constntly trying to sit on anyone's lap.  He does manage to get most of his 
70 lbs on you too!  And the other day I got home from class and he had 
pulled all the sheets and blankets off my bed and into the hallway where
he lies while I'm away- I guess the cold floor was too much for him!  Oh, 
also he plays this game where he tries to kill my stuffed animals...he is
really fun to watch!!

I would reccommend to anyone considering getting a dog to go look at their
animal shelter.  I doubt I could have found another dog who would be as goofy
or as sweet as him anywhere else!!

--
From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Sales contracts - Take two
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:17:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: physio10.kathy_buetow-151092123935
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Sorry I missed the initial discussion on Contracts and the like....there
are a few Re:'s left on my newsreader but that's all.   I do like Margets 
idea on the $1,000 dollar penalty if all terms of the contract are not
met....
a similar clause will *definitely* be written into my contracts.

A couple of questions that I'd like to pick other people's brain's about
and/or start net.discussions on.........

How do you handle "pet quality" contracts ?  I personally sell all
pet puppies on a spay/neuter contract and provide papers *only*
once proof of sterilization is provided me.  I do know of people,
however, that just "don't provide papers".  This idea distresses
me for a number of reasons..... ...........

How do you feel about the AKCs new "Limited Registration"  ?

Is there a difference in prices for your "pet quality" and
"show quality" puppies ?

An idea that I'd like to toss out to some of you breeders is
that of sending a questionaire to all "prospective puppy 
buyers".  I'm like Marget, I consider placing each of my
puppies like an adoption.  My questionaire consists of 
2 pages of questions and has questions on it that give me
a *very* good idea as to whether the "prospective family"
has really researched the breed and whether they have
a real grasp on the responsiblities of pet ownership.
I also ask for references.....and follow up on them.  I had
a veterinarian in Texas almost hit the floor yesterday
when I called him to ask about a couple that had just
returned one of my questionaires.  He was tickled to
death that I actually called to ask if they had provided
"routine" medical care for their other animals, etc. 
I have found the questionaire a *very* useful tool !!
I would be happy to send it to anyone who is interested.
I got the idea from a Collie/Basenji breeder friend
and modified it to suit my own tastes.

I'm just interested in starting friendly discussions
and idea-sharing.  I think one of the wonderful things
of this forum is the ability to share ideas and 
problems with fellow breeders/exhibitors/dog
lovers !!  I was rather *disgusted* at some of the 
downright nasty responses I got to my post regarding
obedience and the "rescued" dog.  Flame away if you 
wish, I live with ACD's...I have thick skin !!  

I guess I just see this group as somewhere that we 
can agree that we disagree and/or do things differently, 
but that we all are here because of one thing....our love
and devotion to dogs.

BTW, Holly your mailer is doing weird stuff too....I just
got back a note I sent to you a week ago !!  (Kisses to
Tristan !!)

Cattle Dog Kisses and Heeler Hugs to all !!
Kathy
---------------------------------
Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs
Kathy_Buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu
"Australian Cattle Dogs are not just a breed....they're a way of life !!!"
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Neutering to reduce aggression?
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:06:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>how much will castration reduce his dominant/aggressive tendencies?

A fair amount, but don't expect the results to be either immediate 
or dramatic -- it'll just sort of take the edge off certain behaviors,
notably the urge to go whup up on rival males in the area and the
dramatic behavior changes caused by a bitch in heat in the neighborhood.

A lot of dominance behavior, though, seems to be driven by psychology
rather than directly by biochemistry. An alpha dog will still be an
alpha dog, just more mellow.  

This brings up an important thing to remember about neutering (seemingly 
obvious and included for completeness -- I don't mean to be insulting).
You still have to train the dog.  You'll just be training a slightly
more amiable animal than before.  He'll still dig holes in the lawn,
go through the garbage, bark at squirrels, etc., just like before.

This is important in the present context, because you mention that 
the animal in question, a rescued greyhound,

>probably was trained on live lures, and is pretty much ruined for small 
>animals.

Here, I'll defer to the greyhound experts on the net, but I suspect
that neutering will merely temper, not eliminate, this trained behavior.

The idea of

>Leave it alone and let the hounds work out their own pack order

seems a bit more Jack Londonish than most people care to put up with
among their pets.  Most of the time, male-dog quarrels (or male-people
quarrels, for that matter) are more about dominance posturing than
actual damage, but they do have the potential to blow up into genuine
fighting, with considerable pain and large vet bills.

Good luck, and let us know how it all comes out,
--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Sales Contracts
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:05:17 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Distribution: world
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <16215@mindlink.bc.ca> Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria
Vorlop) writes:
>(description of re-homing provision in Johnson sales contract)
>This is a really great sort of idea, I really wish every breeder would do
>this sort of thing. Here's a variation from my pug's breeder which I like
>better in some ways: she has right of first refusal written into her
>contract. 

Many breeders use this type of contract. However, I feel that my requiring
that the dog be returned to me for placement places an additional obligation
on the buyer, up front, to acknowledge my claim on the dog. Also, it
reinforces to the buyer my intention to be responsible for the dog for the
rest of its life - no matter what. I guess I need to make this responsibility
clear and explicit in the minds of any puppy buyer. Of course, I always have
the option of allowing the buyer to place the dog, if I choose to do so.
Also, I am not obligated to buy back the dog. Although I might choose to do
so, I prefer not to set up a situation in the mind of the puppy buyer that
he/she can return a dog to me at any time in its life and I will buy it back
(or else lose all claim to the dog). Some breeder friends of mine have
experienced the scenario of selling a puppy (say for $600), then getting a
call 3 or 4 years later from the buyer, saying "You can have the dog back for
$600, otherwise I'm selling it on the open market."
I'd like to think that my puppy buyers will consider the purchase a life-time
commitment on their part. If extraordinary circumstances warrant re-homing the
dog, then I'm there for them.
>> Johnson's contract says:
>> "In the case of a breach of any of the terms of this contract by BUYER,
>> BUYER
>> shall pay to BREEDER the amount of $1,000."
>
>Val asks:
>So how enforcable ARE these types of contacts? Have you ever heard of cases
>where breeders have taken buyers to court for contract breeches, and what the
>results were? I'd really like to hear some stories about how well these sorts
>of contracts work!

I have no first-hand experience with enforcing this clause through civil
court, although I had competent legal advice (oxymoron?) in preparing it. I
only hope I NEVER have to test it!

Do the other breeders out there in netland have a similar proviso in their
contracts?
************************************
Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfoundlands, Tipp City OH

--
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: re: carpet cleaners
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:46:20 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Fresh 'n' Clean is great too....I remember one night when my boyfriend's dog
spent the entire night vomiting and having diarrhea all over the carpet (she
went to the vet first thing the next day).  There was even blood in the stool
and vomit, but we'd clean up after here with the Fresh 'n' Clean -- just clean
up stool/vomit, squirt Fresh & Clean on it, wait 10 secs, wipe.  The next day	
there was no aroma or stain.

Holly
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: king@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (joyce.l.king)
Subject: Re: Obsessive-compulsive disorder
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:17:33 GMT
Summary: horses, too

> > I've heard that tail-chaising is a result of being confined.  Don't know
> > if that's true, though.
> 
> Not to my knowledge. It's thought to be a "hard-wired" behaviour that
> goes overboard, rather than a learned behaviour.
>        
"Cribbing" or "wood sucking" in horses was thought to be a learned behavior
as well as a symptom of boredom.  I raised a couple of TBs on a farm from
birth to 6-year-olds.  They had a run in shed and each other for company,
and unlimited access to a 14-acre pasture with a pond and trees.  There
were no cribbers on the farm.  One cribbed, the other did not.  I've
always thought it was a compulsive behavior, but horse people wouldn't
believe me.



-- 
                       Joyce Andrews King
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Feeding frequency for large dogs
Keywords: bloat
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:32:09 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Distribution: world
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

RE: Danger of Bloat in Once / Day Feeding.

Current research by the Morris Animal Foundation in the causes and prevention
of bloat (torsion) in dogs suggests that frequent, smaller meals can reduce
the liklihood of bloat. Also, hard exerecise should not be permitted at least
one hour before and two hours after a meal. Unrestricted access to water at
meal times should also be eliminated. So far, no type of food (dry kibble vs
canned vs fresh) has been implicated in the problem. Following the above
precautions is safest, until the researchers determine the cause of the
disease (genetic, congenital, acquired, etc).
*********************************
Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfoundlands
-- 

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rusty@cbnewse.cb.att.com (jane.a.horodeck)
Subject: getting rid of fleas
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:03:24 GMT
Keywords: fleas borax chemicals help!


I have recently discovered that, while I was happy to have my 
nephew and his new dog visit, my dog and my house now have fleas!
Yuck!

I have been advised by various sources, including the local pet supply
store and my vets office, that to get rid of the pests I need to treat
both my dog and house at the same time.  With very potent chemicals.
Several times.  And since my dog suffers from allergies, this is a
chancey treatment.

Now I consider myself to be a fairly strong environmentalist and I would
like advice on how to treat the problems more safely, if possible.  My
sister in FLA was told my her vet that BORAX kills fleas so she
periodically dusts her house with an Arm & Hammer Carpet product that
contains BORAX.  And she claims she does not have fleas in the house.

I have also been told by a friend that fleas do not like Carpet Fresh.
She sprinkles that around and the fleas come to the surface of the
carpet and sucks them up with the vacuum. For particularly heavy
infestations she uses lots of the stuff a coupla times.

I know I have to do whatever treatment I choose twice, 2 weeks apart.
But I am looking for a alternative treatments.  What say you?

thanks,
jane
From: kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: pitbulls
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:24:00 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, Norman, OK
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Bev writes:
>	ok I'll get my flame suit on but here it goes.  I was a little 
>	confused by some of this article but the above fact *REALLY*
>	troubles me.  The above indicates that 71.4% of the DEATHS
>	from dog attacks(not just INJURIES, mind you] are from pit bulls.
>	Considering that pit bulls make up-what? 2%, 5%, 10%tops of
>	the pet-dog population I see pit bulls as a problem.  GRANTED
>	it's the owners who train them but with all the hassles going
>	on and the hysteria about it why would you WANT to have one 
>	unless you were interested in utilizing this "rumor" of
>	ferociousness. I feel the same about DObes.  I know dobie 
>	lovers who'll go on and on about how wonderful their pets are
>	and I don't doubt them BUT when someone wants an intimidating
>	dog they often want a dobes, GSD,or rottie.  I also know that
>	chows and akitas tend to be aggressive.  I never get near or
>	approach these types of dogs un-invited cuz they do scare me.
>	No matter how wonderful/lovable/friendly etc they REALLY are.
>	I will admit however that I own a lab which is somewhat the
>	other extreme.
>	[stuff deleted] 
This is the ignorant attitude where all the breed specific laws come from.
Your wonderful breed, lab, can be aggresive also!  There is one in my 
neighborhood that if it can get out of it's yard, will gleefully attack any
other dog.  One time I was walking my Belgian puppy when it happened to be
loose.  It ran straight for my puppy and tried to attack her, when I picked
her up and screamed at the lab, the lab turned on me! 
	I work at a vet clinic and we see approximately one "pit bull" a 
week.  They all have great temperaments and we have never had a problem
with any of them.
	So in my opinion, labs should be banned!
	   (just kidding, hope you know!)  

............................................................................
Kathy Greenwood                | Mom to 
Math Major (believe it or not!)|   Loucha and Landry (Belgian Sheepdogs)
University of Oklahoma         |   Ruger (English Springer Spaniel)
                               |   Elsa (German Wirehair Pointer)
.............................................................................
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: manning@usdev.enet.dec.com (ANNE MANNING)
Subject: Re: Help: Bedtime growling
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date:  9 OCT 92 16:14:46 EST


> 
>Anyway, our dog typically falls asleep on the couch
>before my bedtime (I'm watching TV on the couch).  We try to get her up
>to move her (by picking her up.  I typically reach

we have a pup that does this.  she does not snap, however.  we first noticed
it while camping.  woodsy responds very well to voice so a good, deep, "NO"
is always given when she growls.  if she growls louder or more deeply she
gets a shake.  AND SHE IS MOVED, period.

i think it's just part of her personality.  she is not aggressive, does not
bite, has a soft-mouth, etc.

my suggestion is to MOVE her off the couch.  give her a push, pull on the
collar.  make sure your pup is awake; sounds like you might get snapped at
otherwise.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: massey@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dana Massey)
Subject: Re: Tracking & Ants
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:36:56 GMT

So this post won't really answer any questions, but I saw a cartoon 
on a T-shirt sold by a company called The Santa Fe Connection owned
by Kay Pena--

the picture is a dog (GSD) following footprints wearing a tracking
harness and a lead--the balloon over the dog's head had a giant
hotdog wearning hiking boots, carrying flags and a clipboard and 
taking giant steps

I thought it was a riot, but I'm sure it loses something in the
written line.

Dana
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