From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:28:59 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug12.100452.26123@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>
>You can easily convince me that the crop circles were created by aliens.  Just

Can you prove that the ALL of the circles WERE created by humankind?

>
>Now, obviously that aliens, if they exist, do not want us to know that they
>are here, right?  
If they do exist, I'm not willing to make any presumptions about them at all.

>Or else they would just land on the White House lawn like in that moive (you know the one).
Sure.  _The Day the Earth Stood Still_.  I recall the alien got killed
by those mad, irrational humans.  

>So why would an alien that is intelligent
>enough to create some means to travel about 4 light years at least land his
>craft in the middle of a corn field if he knew that it would leave behind
>traces?  And besides, we never see and landing gear imprints, do we?  All we
>see is a circle of crops that look like they have been smashed over by some
>guy with a 2X4.
Actually, the contention is not that they landed and imprinted the
circles... rather they used some means to 'draw' the circles.  Much like
graffiti.  And we see some (heresay perhaps, but we listen to the
take all kinds of circumstantial evidence and take it as believeable.)
circles that don't appear to match the descriptions of a 2x4 induced
phenomena.

>
>And now, let's assume that the government has some top secret craft that
>would create such a circle.  As above, the government wouldn't be dumb
There have been books that speculated that the government created the
UFO phenomena to cover up other activities...

>
>Now, we have documented cases in which exact such circles have been created 
>by hoaxsters.  Why the need for some supernatural explanation?  The "guys
>with plank" theory seems to work perfectly.  Until we see more evidence that
>indicates that this theory is not sufficient to explain the phenomenon, I 
>see no use to propose something fantastic.
I am more skeptical than that... I'm not going to write it off to
one quick and dirty explanation.  The hoaxters were disreputable people
thought to have government subsidies.  Why should I believe vandals? 

Better yet, if all of them were made by humans, then WHERE ARE THE
OTHER HUMANS???  All humans brag.  Show me the others.  Surely there
are some...

>
>My mind is closed you say?  No, I admit that there is a very very remote
>possibility that there are very dumb aliens out there.  I suppose it could
>be like the nutty professor who concots the GUT but then locks his keys in his
>car.  I sincerely doubt though that aliens would overlook this footprint.
>Show be an alien creating a crop circle, and I will believe that aliens 
>create them.
OK, let's say you've placed your bet.  You can even sleep soundly with
it.  I still see information coming in, and I'll place my bet later.

Like I said in an earlier post...  keep my email address.  If there ever
is an open invasion, I want to hear your explanation for it...  or eat crow.
I'll invite you to the ceremony if you can ever prove your contentions, and
let you see me do the same.  (I prefer ketchup.  Actually, crow is pretty
good...  ;-)

Rick
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