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From: issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin)
Subject: Re: Politics of car buying(Buying a Japanese car)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:11:21 GMT

rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:

>In article <1993Jan27.132913.7601@bnr.ca> dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:
>>In article <CARL.93Jan26153758@atlantis.Cayman.COM>, carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl) writes:
>>|> 
>>|> >Everyone seems to be missing a few really basic points in this
>>|> >discussion of our trade imbalance.  First: population and
>>|> >productivity.  Japan has a comparatively small population and high
>>|> >productivity.  USA has a high population and lower productivity.  So
>>|> 
>>|> First, Japan has approximatly 50% the population of the US.  I would
>>|> NOT consider that small!!!
>>
>>Actually, I believe the population of Japan is about 80 million, while the
>>population of the U.S. is about 260 million (re: 30%).
>>
>all right...someone look it up...we have quotes of 80-238 million....

Extracted from:
"The SoftWare ToolWorks"
World Atlas   (on CD-ROM)

Total Area: 	377,835 sq Km  (vs. 9,372,610 for the US.)
Comparative Area:	slightly smaller than California.
Population, year 1990:	123,638,000 (vs. 251,398,000 for the US.)
Literacy rate:   	99% (same as for the US)
Economy overview:	World's third largest industrial economy (only behind
			the US and USSR. (ex)).


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From: larose@cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: 1984 Ford Bronco II (advice sought)..
Followup-To: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Date: 24 Jan 1993 16:32:09 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
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Summary: should I buy a 1984 Bronco II?
Keywords: Ford 4wd, Bronco
Originator: larose@thud.cs.utk.edu


I am looking at a 1984 Ford Bronco II and I'd like to hear experiences
from anybody, (good & bad).  I'm thinking of buying it as a second vehicle 
to drive to work, (& a little offroading on weekends).  

1)  How bad is the gas mileage?
2)  What are experiences with 2wd/4wd setup on a bronco II.  This one
    requires that I get out to lock in 4wd mode, I'm not sure, but I bet
    this is better for gas mileage & wear than the "flip on the fly 4wd".
3)  Ford V6 engines?   Can I get 150K before I need a rebuild?
4)  5-Speed Manual trans?
5)  brakes?  I tapped them and they grabbed real hard.

Additional info you might need is the following:
*  The truck has 99k miles on it.
*  He was asking $4400, I offered 3900 and he said he'd take it.
*  It drives real well, except that it needs a brake job. No smoke at all, 
   idles real quitely.
*  this was a trade in on a new dodge truck.

Should I buy it???

thank you for your experience and advice.

-brian
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From: bs24@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Bruce Sarte)
Subject: Re: 1993 Camaro
Reply-To: bs24@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Bruce Sarte)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:05:58 GMT

In article <1k4j9uINNreu@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> rremaley@bcm.tmc.edu writes:
>Does anyone have any info such as pricing on these jewels?

The 1993 Camaro Z-28 Indy 500 Pace Car list is $19.3k, I just bought one
and am awaiting delivery.

Bruce


>
>
>rremaley@bcm.tmc.edu
>


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From: twb@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (thomas.w.beattie)
Subject: PRISM wax
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:50:19 GMT
Summary: quaternary amines


What is the scoop on this stuff?
I used it on my 8 year old Honda first and then
part of my 1992 Voyager minivan.  It seems to work well.

It recommends wearing gloves when using it
   - how nasty is it? to touch? to breathe? to the environment?
How long does the finish last?
What are quaternary amines?
Are there other similiar (better?) products?

Any other comments, suggestions?

Tombo.
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From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Q: how do i know if i need a new catalytic converter?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:29:59 GMT


[ Story of penalties re: removing cat deleted ]

In article <2577@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:

>More than just fines -- you could lose the car.  It happened here in
>Oregon a few years ago.  The owner of a new BMW removed his cat and the
>state found out.  They required him not to operate the car until the
>cat had been replaced by the *factory*.  Said factory is in Bavaria,
>and the cost of all this exceeded the value of the car.

See what happens when Eco-Nazi's and overzealous greenies take over? There
is absolutely no reason a BMW dealer or independent shop couldn't have done
that work.

Stupid assholes. There ain't enough money in the world to get me to move
out to one of those greenhead states out West. (Good thing there ain't no
spotted owls out here in Mass, or I'd go out and shoot one right now.)

	-Kenny

p.s. - of course, now that I've thought about it, this could have been pro-
paganda- why couldn't he have sold it in another state without green-shit-
for-brains lawmakers, who would allow the cat to be retrofitted?
-- 
Kenny Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
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From: justin@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Is it OK to wash off the engine?
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:51:32 +0800
Organization: University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: fennel.wt.uwa.edu.au

> derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink) writes:
> 
>>In my heartful opinion, you should not wash the engine at all,
>>but steam it.  Water will cause rust, but steam wouldn't.


Not trying to flame or anything,,,but is`nt this a little stupid
isn`t steam basically water anyway???
as someone else pointed out,,,,what about rain(driving in it will splash engine)
What about all the engine washes at petrol stations ???


YES YES YES it is ok to wash engine in water,soap,degreser,steam,,,,,but 
do take care not to squirt any of the above down the back or front of
altenator,starter and distribitor cap, if you dont want to be one of those
people that holds up the engine wash it`s a good idear to wrap your
dizzy in a plastic bag while you wash.

Rust???? Shit it raining i better go out and dry of my car/engine/wheels
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;*)
Justin...

Hmmmmmm some times i wonder!




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From: bbenson@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Re: Probe GT suspension
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:43:17 GMT

In article <186@bluehau.bubble.org>, hugo@bluehau.bubble.org (Hugo Bueno) writes:
>
>>Bob Benson
>>Ralliest and Generally Strange Person
>  ^^^^^^^^ 
> If you're going to advertise what kind of person you are, at least
> spell it correctly!  :-)  The correct spelling is RALLYIST.

Rally? Rallye? etc. Be careful - it is the mark of a small mind when you
only know one way to spell a word. Particularly when the word's base is
spelled several different ways in the first place. ;-)

Bob Benson
Generally Strange Person Frequently Caught Performing Obscene Rallye Acts

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From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: New Monte Carlo  (was Re: 1994 Pontiac GTO)
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:47:05 GMT

In article <AfNIoPG00UhW01pGBG@andrew.cmu.edu> "Nathan J. Nagel" <nn22+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>1994 Pontiac GTO, hell.  Is Chevy still going to forge ahead with their
>>>plan to release a new Monte Carlo based on the Beretta?  
>>>
>>>And does anyone particularly want them to?
>> 
>>I haven't heard the news about the new Monte Carlo, but I did read that
>>GM was really disappointed in the sales of the Chevy Caprice and they
>>were going to come out with a Caprice SS in '93 or '94.  I believe that
>>the SS model is going to have a different body style, in fact the
>>picture accompanying the article sorta looked like a Thunderbird.

  If I remember the Autoweek article correctly, the Caprice (called
the Impala SS) had a slightly different rear end, was jet black,
and had most of the police package mechanical goodies.

>    I think the Caprice SS is still in the show car stage, but don't I
>seem to remember seeing a show car from Chevy called the Monte Carlo
>maybe last year?  For some reason I think it was not based on the Lumina
>at all but _REAR WHEEL DRIVE_!! Is there still hope?  (please correct me
>if my memory is screwing with me again.)

  yup.  Most of the auto mags had an article mid-summer last year
where they test drove the Monte.  It was a fiberglass bodied mockup
and had the Twin Cam 3.4l engine.  I think it was front wheel drive though.

>-Nate

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Monte Carlo   Z-400 Series - Team Rigel
From: chu@freebie.jpl.nasa.gov (Eugene Chu)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Bill Gates 959 for sale? the rumor continues..
Date: 28 Jan 1993 09:14:14 GMT
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
NNTP-Posting-Host: freebie.jpl.nasa.gov

So, back to the original question of the topic, is it for sale?  I didn't
read this early enough.

I'm looking at a 2' * 3' poster of this car right now, and I see some
intersting airflow management features on the body.  First, that rear
wing looks like it's carved out of a solid part of the body, not like
the whale tails that were tacked onto the 911s and 930s.  Second,
there is an openning in the front of the rear fender, sort of like some
of the air intake vents on the B (C?) pillars on the old GT40s.  Then,
there are horizontal slats on either sides of the lower front openning,
probably for brake coolers.  Of course, there is the nose that seems
more horizontal than the 911s, and of course the full skirts.  I would
digitize this picture and post it in one of the pictures groups, but I
don't think I'll be able to fit it into my flatbed scanner.  Plus, the
poster was folded into 3rds in two dimensions, and it may not look so
nice with the wrinkles.

As nice as that car may be, I don't see the big hoopla.  There were
group B road rallye cars from many manufacturers, but Porsche was the
only one that marketed theirs this way.  (hyping it so they can sell
their precious image and creating a demand for car that they didn't
plan to produce at the same time.  Oh yeah, there were enough of them
built for homologation.) I think Ford's RS-200 and Audi's Quatro performed 
better (Audi had consistently won a lot of those races).  

All the group B cars had amazing technology and performance.  I don't
believe any of them used Torsen diffs, though, as those are still known
to be too fragile for racing, especially off-road racing.  Most of the 
group B cars had tripple viscous couplings, whose operating modes were
controllable from the cockpit through computers.  Most of them had the
ability to accelerate at about 1.2Gs on dry pavement (in 4 directions)
and reach a top speed of around 200 mph with their turbocharged engines.

If I had a deep pocket, I would probably buy/build such a vehicle for my
own use.  Dream on...

eyc
From: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu (Terry Quinn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: LH warranty
Date: 23 Jan 1993 12:31:57 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



> I've decided to take the plunge and have placed an order for an Eagle Vision
> TSI.  The car should arrive in a couple of months.  My question involves the
> selection of the warranty period.  The Chrysler LH cars give the buyer the
> choice:  12/12 everything + 7/70 powertrain OR
>          36/36 everything
> 
> Given that the LH cars are new and Chrysler being Chrysler, any 
> recommendations about what warranty selection might be the better bet?
 
First, I want to commend Chrysler for this warranty practice, 
as it better fits the needs of different people.
 
My recommendation would be based on whether you do any of your own 
repairs or service.  For example, I tend to do small repairs 
myself (adjustments, tuneups, brakes, minor leaks, etc.).  It is 
usually less time and trouble for me than taking the car in for a 
repair.  For me, therefore, the 7/70 is the best, because I want 
to be protected from the major problems, but will take care of the 
minor stuff myself.   I also tend to keep cars longer than 3 
years.
 
Someone who never does this type of work might opt for the 3/36 
everything warranty.  Also, if you frequently trade cars, the 3/36 
might give you all the protection you need.

--
                                    Terry Quinn
                                     Germantown Hills, IL
                                      tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
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From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!)
Subject: Re: best car ads
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:08:36 GMT

finnegan@invader.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kenneth Finnegan) writes:


>Ob best ads:  

>VW's ads a few years back showing Jetta's and Golf's speeding and
>stopping within inches of lab-coat clad "technicians" lined up
>on a test track.

OOH!  I forgot about those!  The BEST VW ad has got to be the one where the 
Golf/Jetta is going around a skidpad, tires a-screaming, with "technicians"
describing the perimeter of the circle, and the car's bumper missing their
shins by maybe a foot.  Then, by some sudden signal, the "technicians" all
take a very precise, Germanic step INWARDS at the same time.  Very very neat.

Apparently though, those ads were done with smoke and mirrors.  In one ad,
where the Golf/Jetta stops within inches of a "technician," it really was
filmed like this:

OVERHEAD VIEW:

  _________
  | Jetta | ========================>
  ---------
				       X  <--Technician

Seen from the side, this was very convincing.  A good thing they shot it like
this too, because in the first few takes, the Jetta would have killed the
"technician" if he had been in the line of travel.

I still don't know how (or if) they faked the "skidpad" commercial.  It looked
so real.....

Lovin' Fahrvergnugen,
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Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
From: james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:36:40 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <C1FJxL.2rz@ssesco.com> nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes:
>Ken Rothman <krothman.727987654@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> writes:
>> With all the advances in aerodynamics and ergonomics in design in the past ten
>> years (mostly on the part of European and Japanese makers), this beast is an
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Apparently the Ford Taurus had little influence on the shape of cars today.
>In my opinion there is no car that has had a greater influence on the vast
>improvements of aerodynamics than the Taurus.
>

What about the 84-> Audi 5000.

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From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 13:15:45 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com

>I have heard overall good reviews of the new Grand Cherokee, and plan to
>invest in one later this summer.  The "dismal" repair record that CR stated
>was in reflection to the old Cherokee model.  The only similarity between
>the old and the new is the the I-6 engine, and I believe that was not the
>problem in the past as in drive-train.
>I

The Cherokees have been in production for almost 10 years.  Why haven't the
bugs been shaken out of it?  It, too, was hailed by the automotive press, and
single-handedly started the down-sized "SUV" revolution in the early 80s.  It
won Car-of-The-Year awards frome everyone.

Yet the lemons continued to roll of the assembly line.

I bought a new 1992 Jeep Wrangler.  Lemon city.

Lemons are one thing, any car line will have a few.  What separates the men from
the boys are the percentage of such, and the way the dealer/manufacturer handles
them.  Based on my experience with Jeep, I wouldn't recommend one to anybody.

The Grand Cherokees are undoubtedly popular, and Chrysler has a hit on its hands...
just like in the old days w/the Cherokee.  Question is, what indication is there
that Jeep has learned any lessons?  Why believe them THIS time?  Only time will tell.

Maybe Jeep has learned its lesson this time, but its for Jeep to prove it to me,
not for me to take a chance on it.

	Dave
From: tdrake@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Tim Drake - K31)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Politics of car buying(Buying a Japanese car)
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:40:31 GMT
Organization: NSWC

|> Your mind set is EXACTLY the problem, is there a single auto-maker [of US]
|> ever try to understand the market of Japan? [You can always CLAIM that you
|> are not allowed to play, if you are called foul!]
|> 
|> Anyway, you can COMPLAIN, but that will never help you to understand or crack
|> the Market of Japan. Face it, Japaness are not born to know how to play in 
|> US eather, they went through tough time before, but they learnt.

 No, from what I've read you are dead wrong. Our markets were readly
opened to Japan> At the Government level and at the customer level 
(you and me, we buy the cheapest usually). Japan is not to open
at the Govenrment level and very closed at the customer level. They
pull a lot of tricks to put "partners or buisnesses" out of business.
The story about the auto parts company that was to suppily Honda, and
have a partner from Japan was very enlighting to me. The jest was 
they were screwed by there "partner" and led into it by Honda. The
stories about tring to do business in Japan are also very enlighting.
Japan's history is also very dark to say the least. Historicly
they play very poorly with others. I believe that history is
repeating itself.
 
   Do your homework


   Tim Drake
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Subject: Re: BMW M3 Inquiry
From: richardk@sdl.ug.eds.com
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:08:07 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Shape Data  (A division of EDS Ltd) - Cambridge,UK
Nntp-Posting-User: michael

...great gobs of hot air deleted...

> it was the 190E 2.3-16, which had the 2.3 liter 4-cylinder
> with a 16 valve cosworth head.  the 2.6 liter is a shrunken version
> of the 3 liter inline-6 and has only 2 valves per cylinder (and
> would not have 16 valves in any event).  the 190E 2.3-16 is no
> longer sold in the U.S., but it's still available in europe.
> didn't sell too well because of the 300E, which was bigger, faster,
> and cost less.


You may be correct about the US Merc 190's, but in Europe (or at least the UK)
there is no such thing as a 2.3 Merc 190. There _IS_ a 2.6 16v which must
simply be a big(ish) 4 cylinder job. 

I dunno why I'm mailing this really - hope someone's suitably fascinated! :-)


Rich

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Stealth ES test
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:14:25 GMT

This week I've got a Dodge Stealth ES as my test
vehicle.  Of course, this is the normally-aspirated,
24-valve DOHC 2wd version.  Otherwise, it's fairly
familiar as last summer I had the Mitsu 3000GT VR-4
(twin-turbo, AWD), with some slight differences in
styling as well.  The turbo, of course, was pretty
awesome in the performance department, but the
normally-aspirated version makes a lot more sense
as a daily driver.

With the upcoming Portland Internation Auto Show
happening next week, I'll be attending several press
functions in conjunction with it.  Tomorrow (tuesday)
Lexus will be previewing the new ES 300.  Next week
I'll be having a look at Subaru's Imprezza, which is
the successor to the Loyale, plus another function
sponsored by all the GM divisions, including Saturn.

bob
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Taurus now #1 seller?
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:30:42 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <74095@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
>Ford has recently been running a new Taurus television ad campaign
>(at least here in SoCal they have) and now claim that Taurus is
>"the #1 selling automobile in the USA."
>
>When did Taurus sales surpass Honda Accord? 
>Just curious.
>
   Very late in 1992.  Both dealers were crawling all over the TV
   with incentive offers.

   And I understand that only ONE of the sales reporting firms gives
   the nod to the Taurus.

   And judging from the recent advertising thrust, both companies
   fully intend to duke it out for the '93 title as well.  This can
   only spell good things for buyers of both if neither chintzes out
   on quality.
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From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: best car ads
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:23:33 GMT

One of the most interesting ads I've seen was the Volvo commercial for what
I guess was the (just introduced?) 7X0-series, where they drive a Volvo off
the end of a raised road, and it lands on it's nose, turning it into an
accordion (but only for about a foot), slides about 10 feet, and comes to rest
on it's (intact!) wheels. It looks like you could have re-started it and 
driven away.

	-Kenny

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From: dave@borland.com (Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket in OKlahoma --- what's SP8?
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:11:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Borland International
Originator: dave@genghis.borland.com

In article <1993Jan20.174211.14992@microware.com> troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks) writes:
>There are two schools of thought when it comes to fighting speeding tickets:
>1) pay it, it's not worth the time to fight.  Consider it random road-use-tax.

	It isn't the price of the ticket this gets me going. I consider
	the whole idea of speeding tickets as revenue enhancement at the
	cost of the average joe citizen. The things that really kills me
	is that the price of the ticket is usually the least of my worries.
	I worry about how many YEARS I will pay HUNDREDS of dollars to the
	insurance company all because some town/state needed some money so
	they sent the tax troopers, exceuse me .. police, out to raise some
	money.

>-
>Troy Frericks                      Internet: troyf@MICROWARE.COM
>Microware Systems Corporation          UUCP: uunet!mcrware!troyf
>1900 NW 114th St                      Phone: (515)224-1929
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- Dave
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