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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:11:33 PST
From:         "S. Helms" <soerenh@IMV.AAU.DK>
Subject:      Re: REGIONAL MOVIES

>I  would like some comments. I have heard that the studio that made
>My Blue Heaven did not want to release any trailers because somehow the
>movie got pegged as a flop even before it came out. The idea was that if
>there were no previews, it would not flop before it even started. I may
>be wrong on this , so I would like to hear from you. Some people have
>said to me that movies such as My Blue Heaven and My Cousin Vinny would
>only be very popular in the northeast because of the high level of Mafia
>activity and ethnic density. Is this true? I live in Rhode Island.

Hi !
First of all, i will claim that i have seen trilers for My Blue Heaven.
Since i work in a video store, i should know !

Second, it's not a very good film. Well it has its funny spots, but that's all.

Third, i can't comment on the last question, since i'm living in Denmark.
That might be the reason for some mis-spelling.

Love to  hear from you all.
                                                Soeren.
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Subject: Re: Restored THE ABYSS coming out on LD!
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:56:45 GMT
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For the latest update on THE ABYSS release, note this: it isn't due out
till the middle of February on laserdisc.  I've got one on pre-order, so
I've been informed.  Jeff Clark
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:05:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bill, give it a rest

I am just offering my opinions just like everyone else. It's
pretty obvious that I am very frustrated by what should be the
art called film, but judging from what I am constantly exposed to
these days, I can't exactly fault the purists for denying film
the status of art. I love films and I'll go see just about
anything hoping to find two hours of cinematic bliss. As far
as what's out there that offers some kind of hope, I already gave
a list of my favorites in response to Anita's request. I will
repeat some of my choices. I look forward to films directed by
Scorsese, Kubrick, Demme, Pollack, Bertolucci to name a few. I will
see anything De Niro, Pacino, Streep, Foster are in. This past year,
only Howard's End, Hairdresser's Husband, Glengarry Glen Ross, A
River Runs Through It are worthy of any kind of artistic discussion.
I always respond to the overall quality of the film. 1492, for
example, looked great, but so what?!!! I'm looking forward to seeing
Toys, Hoffa, Aladdin, A Few Good Men(yes, despite Cruise and Moore).
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:00:07 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Renoir

>I stayed up late last Friday night to watch "La Grande Illusion"...

Among the great ones.  Too bad the title was mistranslated... it
means simply "The Big Illusion". Nothing "grand" was intended.

kjf-
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Uh, Ellen...

Duh.  I knew this was a bad day.  Now I embarrassed myself
in fron to everybody!  The message to listserv
should be unsub cinema-l (or signoff cinema-l).  They know
who you are!  If you have interactive capabilities, you
can also do a "tell" command with the same message.
Also, your friendly campus sysop or sysadmin or otherwise
ccomputer genius should be able to help you on the name thing.
There's also a way to find out how you're listed by getting a
list of the net's membership.  But in the vein of today's
functioning, I forget how to do it.

Hope I didn't make things worse!

Susan

(maybe I'll just go home.)
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:18:42 -0500
From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      PA

Sorry to any Pennsylvanians I've offended.  My comment comes from the perspec-
tive of a one-horse-town escapee, & I was assuming that tumbleweeds were
tumbleweeds, no matter which state they may be in.
                                                        Alex
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:07:02 EST
From:         Bill Felty <BILL.FELTY@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Giving it a Rest

Rolando,

Please don't think I'm picking on you but there is something I'm curious about.

I enjoy this list because it provides an interactive medium for intelligent,
fair discussions on all aspects of film.  I get so tired of reading Roger
Ebert and his cronies saying "I hate this", "I give it a thumbs down", "I
give it one star", "Don't go see it", etc.  Negative, negative, negative and
believing THEIR opinion is the one sent down from God.  The "art" of film is
not nearly this black and white.  Even when I see films I don't particularly
care for, I usually see an element or two (a performance, cinematography, etc)
that I appreciate.  I think the subscribers to Cinema-L seem to feel the same,
always scrutinizing films with an APPRECIATION of the work and the art.

But lately you've been saying  (excuse the paraphrasing) "Tom Cruise is/will
always be a mediocre actor" and "Kevin Costner should give it a rest" and
"I have no desire to see _________" and "The trailer for this film makes it
look like _________".  If I'm not mistaken, a few days a go you even
published an exhaustive list of actors/actresses who should ALL "give it a
rest".

I do hope there are some aspects of film you ENJOY.  I'd certainly like to
hear more about the people and films you DO want to see!!  :-)
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:26:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Laserdiscs/Louise Brooks

Jeff,
   Another one I forgot to include:  BABY FACE and NIGHT NURSE packaged
as one, both starring Barbara Stanwyck in incredibly sexy pre-code
roles.  It's amazing what they did in films before the Hayes
code, and astonishing that people put up with the lack of
what the code forbade for a whole generation.

Jim Thompson
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:28:20 EDT
From:         SCHIBERG@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      la story

Of course, you are all probably laughing *AT* us, and we are
laughing *with* us (if you'll excure the grammatical license).
Hm!

Susan
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:12:21 GMT
From:         John Smyth <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Renoir

Hi everybody,
I stayed up late last Friday night to watch "La Grande Illusion",
a Jean Renoir movie based loosely on his experiences in World War
One. The movie is about the experiences of POWs in a prison camp
in Germany and the relationship between captor and captive, and,
in a broader sense, the absolute futility of war. In fact,in the
movie, both French POWs and their German gaolers share a deep
contempt for the war. The most memorable scenes are, IMO, the
exchanges between the German camp commander (Eric Von Stroheim)
and one of the French officers. The most striking aspect of the
film is how little it has dated - the script is just so well-written
 and also very touching. It has the added interest
of being one of the few POW movies about WW1 (that I've seen anyway).
 Any comments, anyone ?
                          John
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:33:02 -0500
From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: Cruise

I can't believe I'm getting sucked into this conversation, but here we go
anyway...

I saw All the Right Moves & Taps several years ago, so I'm more than a little
dim on them, but I remember ATRM as a nifty flick that did a good job of
showing the desperation that comes with growing up in a nowhere town and
hoping that, somehow, you won't wind up like the dead-in-the-waters around you.

Taps was another movie that struck me, this time because it illustrated what
can happen when people take tradition and followership to such an extreme that
the reasons for the two are forgotten.

Granted, we're not talking about Ghandi here, but these pictures do deserve a
better treatment than a throwaway line about their mediocrity.

That's all I'm prepared to say on this subject, since I lost interest in Cruise
after Top Gun, a movie which trivialized the very real emotions and predica-
ments of pilots and made the profession look like a great big video game.

                                                        Alex
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:15:59 EST
From:         Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: LA Story

Actually, this non-Californian who never lived in California and has only
been there for four brief visits over 14 years saw LA Story on a flight
to San Diego and quite enjoyed it.  When I'd seen the trailers for its
release, I pretty much figured out the premise.  IMHO, people have been
getting a similar message regarding California lifestyles from TV sitcoms
long enough that a film like LA Story wouldn't be a complete mystery
though certainly people living in the state or LA would get a bigger kick
out of it.
Gayle Williams
University of Georgia Libraries
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Date: 17 Nov 92 23:40:47 GMT
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>>     I have to agree with Joe.  I found Millers Crossing to be a real
>>bore.  Both my wife and I dozed off while watching it.  Maybe I expected
>>too much also, I was expecting something on the order of Goodfellas and
>>the pace of Millers Crossing was definintely SLOW.
>>
>>Steve Rife
>>(STEV@MCO)
>
>        Hi !
>I simply can't understand how anybody could find this brilliant folm a bore
>!!!!!
>It is a wonderful story, a tricky plot and some very good acting. It is a
>masterpiece and a mile stone in the genre of mob/gangster movies.
>
Listening (i.e. reading) to how so many people have reacted to
it, including all the critics, I too don't understand it.
Maybe I should watch it again.

Still bored,
Joe
P. S.  I was enchanted with the hat in the forest.
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:30:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      Cronenberg's obsession

>From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET

>Good point about Cronenberg's The Fly and AIDS.  You might also say that it
>relates metaphorically to degenerative disease in a more general way, too.
>In fact, I believe one of the interview comments Cronenberg made around the
>time of the film's release, was that the film was a way of working out--and
>reflected--personal feelings related to his own father's dying of a terrible
>degenerative disease (left unspecified).  And of course C's work has always
>been about (at least in part) unease or horror at the betrayal of the flesh.

Yes, indeed.  So why did he change _The Dead Zone_ from being a part of
John Smith's brain into blank spots in Smith's visions?  I've never been
able to understand that.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Subject:      Re: Laserdiscs

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                                        Date:     20-Nov-1992 01:57pm EST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: RE: Laserdiscs

scott-
I recently purchased "His Girl Friday" as part of a trilogy of Cary Grant films
for $19.99 (yes, that low, low price for all three videos) from Sun Coast Video
an (East Coast) chain of video stores.  They did not sell HGF as a single copy,
but were willing to order it for me, the cost would have been 19.99.  I would
have been foolish to order it for that price when I got "Charade," "Penny
Serenade" and HGF for the price of just one video.  Anyway, if you have a Sun
Coast near you check it out.  Ellen

P.S. I just watched HGF on out local PBS station last night!
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:06:25 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      Film noir comedies?

Film noir comedy:  is it an oxymoron?  I remember reading a few
claims that there is such a thing, but I have trouble picturing it.
If I had to give an example, I'd say My Favorite Brunette, 1947,
which is a sort of detective spoof.

Anyone want to take a stab at it?  As far as I can figure, claiming the
possibility of a film noir comedy would require defining film noir
less by mood (cynical, despairing, bleak, jaded, corrupting, corruptible,
fatalistic) or by thematics (entrapment, no-win choices), than by a
twist on character (the possibility of a comic femme fatale, as in Roger
Rabbit) and emphasis on film angles and location.

I'd be very interested in hearing how others find this question, and if
anyone has examples to offer.

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From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re:      Aladdin
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:00:30 GMT

        Ens Alexander W Ellermann  writes:
> Time magazine did three pages on Aladdin in this week's issue, & it says it's
> a movie to see twice.  I don't remember seeing the magazine slaver all over
> a picture like this in the recent past, so I'm gambling they're telling the
> truth & plan to see it when it's released.
> 
> Also, it gave a vry positive review of Jennifer 8, Andy Garcia's new film.

From what I've read on the Disney newsgroup from people who saw Aladdin, most
don't see why it should be comparred to Beauty and the Beast, and that 
Aladdin should be seen twice just to catch all of Robin Williams stream of 
consciousness.
	In animation, the voices are recorded first, and then the characters
are animated to match the voices.  This method saves money when the script is 
changed.
	Listen to the Aladdin soundtrack to get a sample of Williams' 
character as a genie.  (Friend Like Me)

Torsten at Omaha 
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From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re:      HELP!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:28:04 GMT

From memory, so please excuse any errors:
Variety publishes (at least once a year) total rentals for movies.    This list
usually runs for about ten pages.  These figures are what theaters pay the 
distributors for the movie.  This might include the reciepts.  I believe only 
movies in circulation are included, but I could be mistaken.

Other print sources:
	Magazines, New York Times  ?

Other sources:
	AMPAS (the Oscar people) probably has the information in an archive

I would call any library that has a special collection dealing with motion
pictures (UCLA, Texas, Kansas), and perhaps even the movie companies 
themselves.

If all else fails, ask a librarian (free plug)   :)

Torsten at Omaha
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Subject:      Re: The Bodyguard

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                                        Date:     23-Nov-1992 09:33am EST
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Subject: RE: The Bodyguard

It strikes me as odd that they would substitute Tom Cruise for Tom Hulce.  It
seems to me that Tom Hulce would bring far more depth to a role such as the one
in "A Few Good Men."  I saw the trailer for AFGM when I went to see "Dracula"
and I was intrigued, but the principle actors, with the exception of Jack
Nicholson, are of little interest to me.  I guess I'll just wait for it to come
out on video.  Too bad, I definitely would have paid to see it in the movies if
Tom Hulce was in it.

Ellen
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:46:30 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Cronenberg's obsession

John,

Didn't know about the change Cronenberg made in DEAD ZONE--from brain to blank
spots in the protagonist's visions.  Come to that, I'm not quite sure I under-
stand what that means.  (It's been a good while since I've seen the film.)
But do you mean a change from how the book explained it?  I'm not a big
Stephen King fan, and don't think I read that one.  Jeff Clark
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 12:33:22 CST
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      bugs

Lest not we forget the movie:  Bugs (or was it The bugs).
I look forward to Crow, Tom Servo, and Joel teeing off on
this one some day.

You all remember that scene from _Creep Show_ with the roaches,
Yippee!!  Or how about _The Temple of Doom_ and the moving floor.
One more,  the maggot scene from _Pink Floyd's The Wall_.

By the way, does anybody know of a sanctuary for my wife on
Thanksgiving day?  30 hours of MST 3K, me and my brother are
going to be loving life.

Sincerely,

Joe Daus   U of MO-Columbia
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Subject:      sharp teeth

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                                        Date:     23-Nov-1992 02:59pm EST
                                        From:     Anita F. Colyer
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Subject: sharp teeth

Boy, all this discussion of sharp teeth makes me want to go see a good vampire
movie!

I've been dying to see the new Dracula, regardless of all the flack it's taken,
and I'm actually planning (FINALLY!) to see it tonight.  And I've been told--by
those who know me best--that I have very sharp teeth (and that's one of my more
endearing qualities!), so watch this space tomorrow for a review of Bram
Stoker's Dracula.

Oh, and by the way, isn't this the week that we celebrate the vampires'
favorite holiday, Fangsgiving?

(sorry about that)  :)


Anita
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Date: 18 Nov 92 21:06:26 GMT
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>
>Comic books on the Prisoner tv show have also been published.  There
>was a Prisoner "Graphic Novel" about 2 or 3 years ago (if memory serves).
>
>I have seen interviews with Patrick, stating that the Prisoner was not
>based on his Drake character from DangerMan (sold to the United States\
>as Secret Agent).  But then Patrick did not answer all of questions
>about The Prisoner. Or at least the ones most people would have
>liked an answer for. :) :) :)
>
>Carol Doms
>University of Missouri-Kansas City

This isn't really Cinema but despite what was said, in at least one
of the Prisoner episodes the initials of Number 2 are seen and they
are J.D. John Drake would seem to fit that. I wish I could say where
they show up as J.D. but memory fails me, as usual.

Ray Hoy  RAY@MCO.BITNET
Medical College of Ohio
Toledo Ohio
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From:         Geoff Davis <DAVIS@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Interview with the Vampire
              13 Nov 1992 08:34:48 -0500 from <FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX>

Here's another Rutger Hauer film from the Netherlands, "Spetters."
Racy, baby, Racy!
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