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From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.italian
Subject: Re: Hats off to Meggy
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:01:19 GMT
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park

In article <1992Aug11.190126.25227@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> luciano@athos.Berkeley.EDU (Luciano Lavagno) writes:
>The problem is that the UN has NO WAY of stopping it. Again, I am referring
>only to the MILITARY feasibility of such an intervention. It is not just that
>they are unwilling to stop it. They CANNOT, unless they invade B/H with
>(MacKenzie's estimate) hundreds of thousands of soldiers. And the problem is
>that these soldiers should stay there FOREVER. The hatred has been sleeping (at
>least as seen from outside) for almost 50 years, and is still so violent. What
>makes you think that a six-month intervention would stop it this time ?????

I agree totally with your statement.  Military terror is not going to
stop the conflict for the long-term, and that's where we should be
looking.  

But the question is how have racially divided groups EVER come together?

The only thought I have is the mutual enemy brining together 
France and England...

OK, let's declare war on ALL of Yugloslavia...I guess that won't work either.

-Tom
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: 'Khachikian' Covers Up The Genocide Perpetrated By His Grandfathers.
Date: 12 Aug 92 01:44:50 GMT






<1992Aug13.002903.17515@leland.Stanford.EDU>
arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)

>	The European Parliament has recognized the fact of the
>Armenian Genocide in its resolution passed in Brussels in 1984.

Always there is 'kacik's laughter. For nearly one thousand years, 
the Turkish and Kurdish people lived on their homeland - the last one 
hundred under the oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The 
persecutions culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government (Dashnaks 
and Hunchaks) planned and carried out a Genocide against its 
Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered
and the remainder driven out of their homeland. After one
thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands were empty of Turks
and Kurds. 

The survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye.

Today, Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and Kurds to 
return to their Muslim lands occupied by Armenia.

Today, Armenian government covers up the genocide perpetrated by 
its predecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against 
humanity.

Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide against 
the Muslims by admitting to the crime and making reparations to 
the Turks and Kurds.

Turks and Kurds demand the right to return to their lands,
to determine their own future as a nation in their own homeland.

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
        "Document No: 50," Archive No: 4/3621, Cabin No: 162, Drawer 
        No: 5, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 6, 6-1, 6-2.
        (To 36th Division Command - Militia Commander Ismail Hakki)

"For eight days, Armenians have been forcibly obstructing people from
 leaving their homes or going from one village to the other. Day and night
 they are rounding up male inhabitants, taking them to unknown destinations,
 after which nothing further is heard of them. (Informed from statements
 of those who succeeded in escaping wounded from the massacres around
 Taskilise ruins). Women and children are being openly murdered or are
 being gathered in the Church Square and similar places. Most inhuman and
 barbarous acts have been committed against Moslems for eight days."

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: [NEWS.ANNOUNCE.NEWGROUPS]
Date: 12 Aug 92 02:17:34 GMT





<1992Aug12.065048.9204@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>
8939527@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()

>	We have mutilu frying the truth we can't have Greeks.

You are standing there with a razor in your hand. Well, anxiously
awaiting...

Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the
        Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).

 page 203:

  <<In 1865, immediately after enactment of the new Organic Statute for the
  Jewish community, and just as Jewish capital from Europe was beginning
  to have an effect in Istanbul, local Armenians and Greeks started a pogrom
  against Jews immediately across the sea of Marmara at Haydarpasa, terminus
  of the Anatolia railroad, with three hundred Jews massacred and many more
  beaten and raped before the disturbance was stopped after the Sultan sent
  his personal guard across the bay to protect the Jews [39].>>

[39] El Tiempo, 28 April 1926; Galante, Istanbul I,185; Galante, Documents V,
     340-41.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Multu continues to refuse to answer the issues raised
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:50:48 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <9208120013.A5725sX@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:







+>I'll respond when you back up your moronic claims.

	What world do you live in Multu-51.  Why not address the issues raised
rather than engage in such behavior.  There are billions of dead turks who
wish to see their empire and their culture avenged....and the crimes against
them punlished.  What reason do you have for denying them their "Justice"?



Source: "World of evil, An impersonal story"  By  Bob Finish, Porte Publishers,
Inc.  New York, 1952.

  'How many people lived there?"
  "none.", he yawned.
  "have you ever seen any armenians in the area?"
  "No sir, these villages are spare villages for use by Turks in times
   of emergency.  They are always kept ready, but are nearly always
   empty as now."

   "The turks you see picking up food, cloth, pots, saddlebags, looms
   and spinning wheels are doing so because of the sitution.  The need
   is so great in some villages that the people have started to use
   the materials stored in the spare villages."


  "The turkish officer dozed off into dreams of how he could better serve
   the needs of his German officer/masters.  He dreamed of dying for the
   greater glory of Germany and the rich rewards that a German victory
   would bring.  Eastern Turkolopoly (so-called Greece) would be returned
   to the Turkish empire and the creatures calling themselves "greeks"
   would be restored to the social position they were most suited for...
   slaves."

   "The officer remembered back to childhood when the Sultan knew how to
    take care of troublemakers such as the false greeks.  'Hang their
    Patriarch from the gates of the palace'....what memories and what
    a happy time."

    "In the morning, columns of strangly dressed people were seen on the
    road, looking as if they were running away from a conflict of some
    sort.  The officer corrected me.  These were Armenian vagrents who
    had drifted over the border from Russia.  The russians and the Trapaziod
    of terror were telling whole villages of Armenians to take Turkish lands
    as quickly as possible.  He also said that while there seemed to be many
    armenians in the group, there were not.

    "Armenians are cursed creatures of the underworld with strange powers.
    For example, they can make a group of 10 armenians look like 10,000.
    I have personally seen this as when we capture a supposedly large group
    of armenians as prisoners, say 5,000, by the time we get them to the
    relocation camp there are only around 10 real armenians to put into
    the camp."



	All hail Hasan I, Sultan of the Revived Ottoman Empire.






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From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: What kind of people are Turks?
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:15:05 GMT
Reply-To: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester UK

In article <1992Aug17.195334.24991@dscomsf.desy.de> Poser@vxdsyc.desy.de writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.163811.19331@hasler.ascom.ch>, 
>kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) write in soc.culture.europe:
>
>[much wooping, flooping and pooping nuked] 
>
>|>Why for once will a Turk not address what is under discussion, is it
>|>that impossible?, rather than just insult the person he doesn't like
>|>the views/opinions of.
>
>Have You killfiled Mark Hubey by any chance? All of the points I have seen 
>from him were pertinent and reasonable, even if You don't agree with them.
>Mark is, most of the time, a perfect gentleman.

Ha, if you kill Mark's articles, there is almost no chance (there have been
and still are other interesting Turkish postings as well but the most
regular and informative writings on Turkish history are Mark's) to learn
something about Turkey. There are so many points which really make sense
and one can built a far better picture of what South-East Europe was for a
long time. And not agreeing with Mark (or with texts from his postings) on
some points leads (in my experience) to nothing else but interesting and
informative dialogues. And it's really stupid (IMHO) to suggest that a Turk,
or Armenian, or German, or a person from any nation is somehow "different"
(kind of people). People become different ("kind") only after they are
EDUCATED in different ways, in different beliefs, in different ways to express
themselves (i.e. TOLERANT or INTOLERANT, calm or arogant, polite or rude)
but this is another subject.


>       Till Poser

Best regards

Luben

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.history
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: Mutlu, are you blonde?
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:57:52 GMT





<1992Aug13.180533.21101@leland.Stanford.EDU>
arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)

>>A Nazi Armenian demands a slave?

>	Are you kidding? Take you as a slave?

Well, so? The ASALA/SDPA/ARF stole your slave?

>I would go straight to an institution if I were to do that.

You sound like a typical Nazi Armenian. You probably knew that, as early 
as 1934, K. S. Papazian asserted in 'Patriotism Perverted' that the 
Armenian Revolutionary Federation (ARF) 

        'leans toward Fascism and Hitlerism.'[1]

At that time, he could not have foreseen that the Armenians would
actively assume a pro-German stance and even collaborate in World
War II. His book was dealing with the Armenian genocide of Turkish
population of eastern Anatolia. However, extreme rightwing ideological
tendencies could be observed within the Dashnagtzoutune long before
the outbreak of the Second World War.

In 1936, for example, O. Zarmooni of the 'Tzeghagrons' was quoted
in the 'Hairenik Weekly:' 

"The race is force: it is treasure. If we follow history we shall 
 see that races, due to their innate force, have created the nations
 and these have been secure only insofar as they have reverted to
 the race after becoming a nation. Today Germany and Italy are
 strong because as nations they live and breath in terms of race.
 On the other hand, Russia is comparatively weak because she is
 bereft of social sanctities."[2]

[1] K. S. Papazian, 'Patriotism Perverted,' (Boston, Baikar Press
   1934), Preface.
[2] 'Hairenik Weekly,' Friday, April 10, 1936, 'The Race is our
   Refuge' by O. Zarmooni.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

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From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,talk.pol
Subject: THE TRUTH IS OUT! MUTLU IS AN AI PROGRAM!
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:26:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 

itics.soviet,soc.europe,soc.history




PD>That's when it clicked. MUTLU IS AN AI PROGRAM!

MASTER UNTRUE TOTALLY LYING UNIT
-      -      -       -     -

m.
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.rights.human
Subject: 'Milson' Stands For 'Revisionism' And 'Lying:' pp. 201, 202, 203, 204.
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:08:49 GMT






Unanswered questions about 'Milson's dubious behavior and revisionism.

Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). 
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 
 million Muslim people)

p. 201.

"This war quickly developed into one of extermination." 

Then what?

p. 202 (first and second paragraphs).

What's the deal here, 'Milson the Revisionist?'

p. 15 (second paragraph).

???

p. 109 (second paragraph).

???

p. 203 (second paragraph).

???

p. 204 (first paragraph).

???

p. 218 (first and second paragraphs).

???

           (to be continued...)


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: On Such A Day, They Will Cut Off The Heads And Arms Of The Corpses.
Date: 16 Aug 92 01:37:08 GMT





<1992Aug16.151655.13780@ntb.ch>
egiannou@ntb.ch (Evangelos Giannoulas)

>Poly sobaros eisai re palikari, ase mas na amolysoume kai kammia kotsana

So you don't like to talk about these for fear that 'palikaryas' will not
understand. Not a chance.

Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the
        Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).

 page 203:

  <<The leader of the Ashkenazi community of Corlu complained to the
  president of AIU [Alliance Israelite Universelle] in 1902 about
  persistent Greek attacks against its Jewish quarter:

    ''The fanatic Greeks of our city, as of other places in Thrace,
    have the habit of, contrary to the spirit of real Christianity,
    making a replica of Judas Iscariote and of burning it on the night
    of Holy Saturday. They construct a wooden figure, cover it with
    clothing which they claim is that of the ancient Jews, and they
    burn it publicly in the middle of a multitude of the ignorant and
    the fanatic. It often happens that this multitude, already excited
    by the tales of the suffering of Christ that has been made to them
    at the Church, is exaulted at the appearance of the execution of he
    who is supposed to have betrayed Christ, and works up a great anger
    against the Jews...For a long time we have known that each year,
    on such a day, they will cut off the heads and arms of the corpses
    in our cemetery and will burn them with great solemnity. We make
    no complaint about this in order not to create differences between
    the two communities. But this audacious madness of these fanatics
    has increased. We ourselves see the flames and hear the cries of
    hatred and vengeance against the Jews.''[42]>>

[42] Ashkenazi Community, Corlu, to AIU no.8783, 2 May 1902, in AIU
     Archives (Paris) II C 8, with report printed in El Tiempo of 1 May 1902.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: cosar@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (Ahmet Cosar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: VIZNYUK@Pacific.Mps.Ohio-State.Edu not "physics.ucla.edu"(was: Forger Viznyuk strikes in "talk.politics.soviet")
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:49:13 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <1992Aug13.211925.29542@physics.ucla.edu> viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu (Sergei Viznyuk) writes:
>>
>>The path of the forgery was:
>>
>>>Path: news.cis.umn.edu!umn.edu!paperboy.micro.umn.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!mips!apple!ig!micro.cs.umn.edu!cosar
>>                                                ^^^^^^^^^
>>The server of U of MN is "news.cis.umn.edu" nothing can get to your dirty nest
>>at "ohio-state" without passing thru it, Viznyuk.
>
>    I thought you was exposed enough, wasn't you Cosar ?
>Here is nice Russian verse for kids about Cosar and Mutlu:

Do you think your songs with ugly voice will save you Viznyuk?
>
>S.V.

You are still forging your address as "physics.ucla.edu" but the finger
command gives your ugly nest away Viznyuk:

>[pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu] 
>Login name: viznyuk   			In real life: Sergei Viznyuk
>Directory: /net/pacific/0/viznyuk   	Shell: /bin/tcsh
>Last login Wed Aug  5 17:59 on ttyp1 from brighton.mps.ohi
>No unread mail
>No Plan.

You are a shame even for the communists Viznyuk!!!


--
   A.Cosar                                                                      ________________________________________________________________________                
Disc space -- the final frontier!                                               ________________________________________________________________________
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From: tsatsaro@emily4.Berkeley.EDU (Konstantinos Tsatsaronis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: What kind of people are Turks?
Date: 18 Aug 1992 02:49:56 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: emily4.berkeley.edu

Well if you do not want people to generalize from Mutlu's postings to all
Turks then you have to register at least ONE posting by a Turk that 
criticizes his opinions, or at least his methods.

I have been reading this list for quite some time now and I still have to
see such a posting .

So if no Turk ever decided it was worth the time to write two lines 
distancing him/herself from Mutlu's postings and insults then we have
every right to conclude that he is representing all of you.

You may take this as a challenge, if you want.

Costas Tsatsaronis


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.greek
From: marcmil@microsoft.com (Marc Milanini)
Subject: Hasan B Mutlu: anagram
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:40:52 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish

After reading Dave Polewka's posting, I thought I could post
the anagram of "Hasan B Mutlu" I came up with:

Hasan B Mutlu:    Han: mutual BS

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