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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:33:19 EST
From:         gatech!uflorida!bart.db.erau.edu!HEASLEY%harvard@harvunxw.BITNET
Subject:      Video Information System

Has anyone used the video information system being marketed by
Dynacom?  They call it the Integrated Information System.  Dr. Mark
Charles Fissel from Ball State Univ. wrote an article on the system
in the Dec 1990 issue of T.H.E. Journal. I am wondering if others
have used the system and if they find it to be a cost effective and
convenient method of distributing video data across campus.  I would
be particularly interested in hearing of others use of this system for
distance education.

Ron Heasley
Director of Academic Computing
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
Daytona Beach, FL  32114
heasley@bart.db.erau.edu
(904) 226-6659
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:31:07 EST
From:         "CHARLES SUNDIN, CHAIR, CHEMISTRY" <SUNDIN_C@ucs.uwplatt.edu>
Subject:      Computer Fees

Gary Davis finally found me out.  I would like to provide free college
education to the best, brightest, and most highly motivated no matter
what their background.

I haven'f figured out how to determine who is the best, brightest, and
most highly motivated 17-18 year olds.  I probably would not have made
it in that category.

But, let's return to the subject we are supposed to be on.  I received
an article from WISCONSIN WEEK, a UW-Madison faculty and staff
publication.  It states, "Six Big Ten schools already charge students a
special technology fee, and Minnesota, Ohio State and Wisconsin are
seeking such a fee.  Only at Northwestern, where tuition tops $15,000 a
year, is there no technology fee nor any movement to levy one."

This is in reference to make a special tuition assessment for all (note
all) students.  This not only would cover computer labs but help student
E-mail access including access to their instructors, INTERNET, etc.

Again, all students would pay.  But, you would arge that all students
can benefit from INTERNET, etc.  Perhaps this does not apply to the
original question (what was the original question) of only some students
paying a computer fee.

Since the competent and less motivated students will go to the
university, tuition is needed if for no other reason than commitment.
It the taxpayers won't pay for the additional information technology
infrastructure, etc., then the students must.

Charles Sundin, University of Wisconsin-Platteville
sundin_c@uwplatt.edu
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:32:12 EST
From:         "CHARLES SUNDIN, CHAIR, CHEMISTRY" <SUNDIN_C@ucs.uwplatt.edu>
Subject:      Computer Fees

Lee,
  Your "few stray, lurking thoughts" are what's really important.  We want
to bring the whole of Information Technology to every student.  It costs
money.
  If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, but has
a sign on it "chicken", it might not be killed during duck hunting season.
That is, a computer fee goes for computers.  A tuition hike goes for ?????
It gets lost and you have to continue to fight for it.
  I think that is why some feel that the fee route is better.  It also
tells the students what the money is to be used for.

Charles Sundin, University of Wisconsin-Platteville
sundin_c@uwplatt.edu
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:12:16 EST
From:         "Michael Gaffney, Dunedin NZ" <EDUCJMG@otago.ac.nz>
Subject: Re: windowcraft

Can anyone provide details of who publishes or distributes Windowcraft?

Michael Gaffney
educjmg@otago.ac.nz
Otago University
New Zealand
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:15:28 EST
From:         JOAN VAN DUZER <VANDUZERJ@axe.humboldt.edu>
Subject:      Re: Windows or OS/2 in a Student Lab Environment

We use IronClad in our open access student micrcomputer facility.  It works
great.  Rebooting reinitializes the system exactly to the default, if it's
been tinkered with.  IronClad is sold by Silver Oak Systems, Inc.,
8209 Cedar Street, Silver Spring, MD  20910. ph 301-585-8641 and
fax 301-588-6484
- Joan Van Duzer
  Instruc Computing Consultant
  Humboldt State University
    vanduzerj@axe.humboldt.edu
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:47:38 EST
From:         Jay Lemke <JLLBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Readability, Grading writing

I don't often contribute on this list, though I find the informa-
tion that passes through here very useful.

The recent discussion of criteria and programs to assess
readability and writing skills has mainly been pretty practical,
but I think people should be aware of the severe limitations of
these approaches. Most of them are based on either (1) grammati-
cal, and even spelling, punctuation judgments that are DECONTEX-
TUALIZED, or (2) superficial criteria with no basis in an under-
standing of how we make meaning with text (linguistic text
semantics).

On (1): Unlike a human reader, these programs do not take into
account the meaning, or even a guess at the meaning, of a form. A
correctly spelled word, or a possible grammatical construction,
will not be flagged even if it is wrong in context. These pro-
grams are useful to a writer to flag POSSIBLE errors, but thene
require writer judgment. And they miss a lot of actual errors.

On (2): Criteria dependent on frequency of use of words, types of
grammatical constructions, sentence length, etc. are extremely
superficial. Apart from familiarity with the subject matter and
genre conventions of a particular specialist discourse (and all
discourses are specialist in one sense or another), readability
of academic material depends in large part on none of these vari-
ables very critically (at least within the range of normally
enountered styles, not including artificial examples). What it
does depend on, very often, is the stylistic shift in academic
writing away from the grammar patterns of spoken, conversational
language: the use of nonfinite constructions, verbal process
nominalizations, use of empty abstract relational verbs in place
of explicity clausal conjunctions, etc. A very good account of
this, and a practical quantitative index, can be obtained from
the work of the linguist Michael Halliday as described in his
book *Spoken and Written Language*, Oxford University Press,
1989.

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JAY LEMKE.
City University of New York.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:01:04 EST
From:         "ACCESO - Informacion y Asistencia Tecnica para ONGs en C.A."
              <acceso@huracan.cr>
Subject:      Job Announcement - Costa Rica

Acceso

Position Announcement


Program Officer, Costa Rica.
Acceso, a non-profit service organization based in Costa Rica,
provides communication services, information, training and
technical assistance to NGOs in Central America.  The program
officer will be responsible for contributing to the design, start-
up, and consolidation of an electronic network for communications
and information exchange between NGOs in the region; recruitment
and orientation of new organizations on the network; coordinating
the organizations that will contribute specific information
products to the network; working closely with the network steering
committee; training new users; assisting with the development of
training materials; and participating in the administration and
institutional development of Acceso.

Essential Requirements:  A personal commitment to the regionUs
social and economic development, bilingual (English/Spanish),
minimum of 4 years professional experience with NGOs, university
degree, familiarity with computers and word processing programs,
ability to write clearly and analytically.

Preferred Requirements:  Central American origin or experience,
experience with electronic communication, applied experience in
management of development organizations, experience in training
and knowledge of training programs and methods.

Remuneration:  Competitive salary and benefits commensurate with
experience.

Please submit:  Resume, an original essay in Spanish (maximum two
typed pages) on the topic 'Factores Criticos para el Trabajo de
Organizaciones Privadas de Desarrollo en los Annos Noventa,' and
the names and phone numbers of three professional references.

Send application to:  Acceso, P.O. Box 025216-34, Miami, FL 33102-
5216, or by e-mail to acceso@nicarao.apc.org.

Application deadline:  January 15, 1993.
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:38:25 EST
From:         "CHARLES SUNDIN, CHAIR, CHEMISTRY" <SUNDIN_C@ucs.uwplatt.edu>
Subject:      Flames on the List

Vickie,
  Thanks for pointing out proper rules to us.  I do have one question, if
I do go overboard, will you notify me.  If I err, and am not told, how will
I learn?

Thanks, Charles Sundin, University of Wisconsin-Platteville
SUNDIN_C@ucs.uwplatt.edu

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MODERATOR's NOTE:  I usually eventually return flames with a note suggesting
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it takes awhile, as I rethink it and discuss the posting with others. Generally
people understand my suggestion. There is a difference in style between what is
appropriate to say to an internationally based group of over 1000 in print,
and what one might say in private to a friend or acquaintance.  I just try
occasionally to point that out to someone.

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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:53:28 EST
From:         Guy Levert <GLEVERT@acadvm1.UOttawa.CA>
Subject:      Re: Toolbook

The best place to ask questions about Toolbook and Multimedia Toolbook is
by writing to the listserv called: TOOLB-L@uafsysb.bitnet

It's a very  active ListServ and members are always giving quick comments,
tips & traps, OpenScript source code, etc...


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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:14:20 EST
From:         "Lee A. Mohon" <lam4@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Subject:      Re: Computer Fees

There is an old proverb which says, "if it walks like a duck and talks
like a duck and looks like a duck, then its a duck."  Personally (I'm a
student at present), I never understood the deal about fees.  It seems to
me to be a euphemism for a hike in tuition.  The difference between
instituting a new fee and raising tuition is that if the administrators
don't feel confident enough about their political base to get a tuition
hike, they opt for a fee (read that "call it a fee").  Why don't they
simply include all these fees in the tuition.  If it is necessary to fund
the programs (no pun intended), then it ought to be in the tuition.
Computers are here to stay and should be an integral part of any
curriculum.  Therefore the funding should come out of the tuition.
Although I love sports, it would be, in my mind, much easier to justify a
tuition hike for computer training than to give as much money to sports as
most colleges do at present (priorities: a different argument).  At any
rate, regardless of how educational technology is funded, it SHOULD be
funded. If the money can come from the state or federal government, then
great. We are already committed to public funding of universities and any
other stance would also be outside the bounds of this argument. If the
institution is private, then there is no recourse but to raise tuition. So
be it.  If you are arguing that Internet access should be paid for by the
user, I still think that the argument is academic. Everyone should be
required to use computers and this use should include at least some
familiarization with mainframes and their resources. More concisely, my
point is that it would not matter whether these things are funded by user
fees or out of the general tuition if all people were required to be
users, as indeed they should. I doubt that many on the the Net would
disagree that a person without indepth computer skills eventually be left
behind by today's world and that if a person thinks that he has no need
for computers, even such services as are discussed in this argument, then
that person does not really know what computers are able to do now or will
be able to do in the near future.  Oh well, sorry, just a few stray, lurking
thoughts. And now back to the regular scheduled argument...

Lee Mohon.

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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:10:44 EST
From:         "Don E. Descy, Ph.D." <DESCY@VAX1.Mankato.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Powerbooks

I've used a 145 and now own a 160.  I have tried a 180 and was impressed
but not enough to buy one.  My 160 cost 1825, worth every cent. (I am using
it now at home - have an LC downstairs)
Don E. Descy
Mankato State University (MN)
DESCY@VAX1.Mankato.MSUS.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:44:23 EST
From:         Gleason Sackman <sackman@plains.nodak.edu>
Subject:      New Document from VITA (from DEVEL-L)

---------- Text of forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:17:00 EST
From: Volunteers in Technical Assistance <VITA@gmuvax.bitnet>
To: Multiple recipients of list DEVEL-L <DEVEL-L@auvm.bitnet>
Subject: New Document from VITA

Friends,

It is my pleasure to announce the availability of a new paper under
VITA's Distribution Service:

Lewis, Piers, 1992. Energy in Nicaragua: Will The Technology Survive?
VITA Distribution Service 14 Dec 1992. Size, 13.5 kB, Filename
energy_tech.txt.


HOW TO GET YOUR FREE COPY ON LINE

By Anonymous FTP, connect to node 155.135.1.1 . When the * prompt appears,
enter one or more of these commands for the text or the abstract.

GET [.VITA]ENERGY_TECH.TXT
GET [.VITA]ENERGY_TECH.ABS

You may also say GET [.VITA]VITA_INDEX.TXT to get the list of files.

!!! Please do not request Distribution Service files from VITA's
    address (below) or from Listserv.

If you don't have instructions for Anonymous FTP or for using
specially addressed, specially formatted e-mail messages to get files
from the Distribution Service, please ask me for the instructions and
I shall send them to you.

Cheers,

-Rafe-

R.R. Ronkin, VITA Volunteer
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:29:18 EST
From:         EDTECH Moderator <21765EDT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      EDTECH during the Holidays!

In response to my request last night, Zane Berge and his collegue
who moderate the IPCT-L list, have offered to guest moderate
EDTECH over the holiday period while I'm gone.  As well,
Mary Garrett who has so often helped out in the past, may be assisting
when she returns from vacation.

The list is great for finding all sorts of things.  Even my
request for the perfect, totally qualified guest moderator
didn't go unanswered.

It is possible that the list will be down for 2 or 3 days at
the end of December when MSU installs a new mainframe, but
otherwise I anticipate that EDTECH will run very smoothly
during the holidays.

I very much appreciate those who are willing to help work on
EDTECH, especially on such short notice.

Vickie L. Banks
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:51:26 EST
From:         Dolores.Fidishun@cyber.Widener.EDU
Subject:      Facilities list

A few months ago someone on this list or on MEDIA-L mentioned a facilities list,
something that University Operations and Building people might subscribe to.  Do
es anyone know the address of this list?
Dolores Fidishun, Head of Audiovisual Services
Widener University
dfidishun@cyber.widener.edu
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From:         Charlie Lounsbury <LOUNSBUR@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Extensions to System 7

I believe what you are referring to is not an extension of System 7, but a
new feature under System 7.1.  7.1 was just recently (Oct 92?) released
with multi-language fonts being one of the new features.

Hope this helps.

           Charlie Lounsbury             <   LOUNSBUR@UCONNVM.BITNET
 Educ Psychology: Instruct Media & Tech  >            -OR-
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         Storrs, CT  06269-2064          <      (203) 486 - 1210
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:24:44 EST
From:         Ben Seaberry <bseaber@eis.CalState.EDU>
Subject:      HyperCard Grading Program

A couple of weeks ago some individuals expressed an interest in obtaining a
shareware gradebook program. You may obtain my gradebook program at the
ftp site:  sumex-aim.stanford.edu.  It is called: interactive-gradebook.hqx
and is in the directory  /info-mac/card.
   It is a HyperCard program. It allows the user to grade on a point basis
or weighted basis. The user can define their own categories, (if grading
on a weight basis), and set their own weights. It keeps track of all of a
student's grades on a single card, (each student is given their own card).
The instructor can make a blank printout of the gradecard so that students
can keep track of their own grades throughout the course. If an instructor
has a computer in the classroom, they can use the program to call on
students *randomly*, to answer questions related to the lecture, homework,
discussion, or whatever, and even give (or takeaway) gradepoints if so
desired.
   If you have any questions, contact me.
Ben Seaberry
bseaber@eis.calstate.edu
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From:         "Erika H. Gilson" <EHGILSON@PUCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Prograph

Has anyone had experience with the programming system 'Prograph'from
TGSSystems? Please respond either on net or personally to:
Erika Gilson
ehgilson@pucc
Many thanks!
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:01:08 EST
From:         "Lee A. Mohon" <lam4@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Subject:      Re: Computer Fees

Richard,
 I am myself opposed to government intervention in general, but I am
dealing with the reality that this society has decided that government
intervention in almost every aspect of life. While the attempt of
California voters to control government spending is admirable (I wish they
would find something other than education to cut), it is not the norm.
Education seems to be coming under particular pressure, possibly because
the population is aging and has other concerns, such as medical care. This
is an interesting point you bring up, but I'm not sure how it related to
the main thrust of my message. Maybe I need to be more clear; sorry if I
was not.
Lee Mohon.
lam4@Ra.MsState.Edu
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:20:05 EST
From:         William Winn <billwinn@carson.u.washington.edu>
Subject:      Re: Toolbook & Authorware

"Shawn_T.Lock" <22331MOM@MSU.BITNET> writes:

>RE: Authorware: Who sells it and what's the cost in terms of dollars and
>learning to use time.

Authorware, the company, is now part of Macromedia, 600 Townsend Street,
310 West, San Francisco, CA, 94103. They can give you information and
prices on Authorware Professional, the software. It was pricey when we
bought a few years ago, around $600, I seem to recall, for the basic kit, with
add-ons, like audio and video drivers, bringing the price closer to $1000.
We find that our students can get started after about a 2-hour workshop,
and can become reasonably proficient at the end of an 11-week quarter.
However, it is a sophisticated package when you explore all its ins and
outs. (Funnily, though, I think its easier to learn than Toolbook.)
Bill WInn
billwinn@carson.u.washington.edu
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:12:53 EST
From:         FRIGANIOTIS@DARWIN.NTU.EDU.AU
Subject:      Priority Based Budgeting for Media Centres

Our Educational Technology Centre (Media Centre) is going to be subjected
to Priority Based Budgeting, and I would like to know if any other Centres
have been through this exercise, and can offer any assistance in terms of
what planning guidelines and resource analysis in particular they have
developed.  E-mail replies are welcome.
Mike Friganiotis,
Director,
Educational Technology Centre, NT University.
FRIGANIOTIS@DARWIN.NTU.EDU.AU
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