From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: [alt.censorship] Re: Limiting Government's religious speech
Keywords: Trusting God, or Caesar, or your money
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 10:02:20 GMT

A repost from alt.censorship,talk.religion.misc:

From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Subject: Re: Limiting Government's religious speech
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 01:34:48 GMT
Keywords: Trusting God, or Caesar, or your money

Thus spake wcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (Bill Stewart 908-949-0705 erebus.att.com!wcs): 

>While the Soviet Union probably never printed it on their money, they did
>print it in their schoolbooks, and made it illegal to teach kids otherwise -
>even your own kids.  Probably not the sort of liberal tolerance you'd like.
>
	While here its against the law for a Mormon to teach a child that
polygamy is a part of their religion (in re Black, 350 US 923 (1955)), for a
teacher in a religious school to teach that as an aspect of the Mormon
religion (Davis vs Benson, 133 US 333 (1980)) or to teach a Native American
child that the use of peyote is a valid expression of religion.

	If I choose to teach my child to be a Satanist (which I would prefer
to his becoming a Christian if those were the only options), the CPS could
step in and place him in foster care.

	In Texas - the only state which purchases textbooks on a statewide
basis rather than district wide (and thus has enormous influence over the
entire publishing industry) members of the clergy serve on the selection
board and may refuse a text on religious reasons.

	Many areas are attempting to ban the teaching of evolution in
schools and others demand that the superstitious "creation science" (which
is about as close to being a science as bungee jumping is to being a health
fad) be taught as being equally valid as evolution.

	Off hand,  about the only difference I see is that the soviets were
more honest about THEIR bias.

>Besides, what do you *expect* them to print on the money?
>	"It's real - trust us!"
>	"We're the government, and we're here to help you!"
>So of course they printed something to make themselves sound better
>than they were, and it sure beat "Not Worth A Continental"......
>
	How about just "Lawful currency" and leave it at that?

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Newsgroups: alt.censorship,talk.religion.misc
From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Subject: Re: Limiting Government's religious speech
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 01:34:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Keywords: Trusting God, or Caesar, or your money

Thus spake wcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (Bill Stewart 908-949-0705 erebus.att.com!wcs): 

>While the Soviet Union probably never printed it on their money, they did
>print it in their schoolbooks, and made it illegal to teach kids otherwise -
>even your own kids.  Probably not the sort of liberal tolerance you'd like.
>
	While here its against the law for a Mormon to teach a child that
polygamy is a part of their religion (in re Black, 350 US 923 (1955)), for a
teacher in a religious school to teach that as an aspect of the Mormon
religion (Davis vs Benson, 133 US 333 (1980)) or to teach a Native American
child that the use of peyote is a valid expression of religion.

	If I choose to teach my child to be a Satanist (which I would prefer
to his becoming a Christian if those were the only options), the CPS could
step in and place him in foster care.

	In Texas - the only state which purchases textbooks on a statewide
basis rather than district wide (and thus has enormous influence over the
entire publishing industry) members of the clergy serve on the selection
board and may refuse a text on religious reasons.

	Many areas are attempting to ban the teaching of evolution in
schools and others demand that the superstitious "creation science" (which
is about as close to being a science as bungee jumping is to being a health
fad) be taught as being equally valid as evolution.

	Off hand,  about the only difference I see is that the soviets were
more honest about THEIR bias.

>Besides, what do you *expect* them to print on the money?
>	"It's real - trust us!"
>	"We're the government, and we're here to help you!"
>So of course they printed something to make themselves sound better
>than they were, and it sure beat "Not Worth A Continental"......
>
	How about just "Lawful currency" and leave it at that?

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