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From: akcs.scramer@vpnet.chi.il.us (Steve Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: FORSALE:   Apple 5.25" Drives
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:55:05 CDT
Keywords: apple, drives, disk


I'm looking to sell some great to mint condition Apple ][ (5.25") drives.
All have under 25 hours operational time on them.

(2) Apple Disk ][ Drives
(2) Apple Platinum Drives
(1) Gamma RD-100 (40 track) drive (It hooks up the same way as a Disk ][)

Also, I have one 'not quite working' Apple Disk ][ Drive.  It boots but
doesn't read.  could be as simple as a fast mech.  For those who want a
fixer-upper or for parts.

Any reasonable offer considered!

Steve C.
akcs.scramer@vpnet.chi.il.us
From: dkw00@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: >>> HP-28S Scientific Calulator <<<
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:09:21 GMT
Reply-To: dkw00@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

HP 28S - Advance Scientific Calculator

  - Brand New (received as gift but have no need for it)
  - FREE : leather case ($50.00 value)
  - Current lowest retail price $179.99 (w/o leather case)
  - All orginal packaging, manuals, etc.
  - Save the sales tax
  - Asking $150.00

Reply to David : dkw00@ruts.ccc.amdahl.com
                 (408) 746-8080
                 (415) 340-3800
From: benj@framemaker.EBay.Sun.COM (Ben Jones, ITS MIL03-76)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: Re: TURBO GRAFIX 16 & GAMES FOR SALE !!!!
Date: 28 Aug 1992 17:52:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: benj@framemaker.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: framemaker.ebay.sun.com

I also have a TG-16 for sale, but with the CD-ROM player and carrying case for the whole system, plus, a TON o' games!  I also have the Turbo Express which I would like to sell along with the set.  I'm asking $600 for everything, the TG-16, CD-ROM player, Turbo Express, Carrying case, controllers, cables and more games(catridges and CD-ROMs) then anyone could hope to play in a week.

	If interested, send email to Ben.Jones@Ebay.Sun.Com
From: juyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (  )
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: (none)
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:20:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University



American Airline One-way ticket from Newark to Phoenix for sale:

						LV	ARR
	Sep 8   Newark - Dallas/Ft.Worth 	18:14   21:04
		DFW - Phoenix			21:57	22:14

Can be changed for $25.

Asking for $30 o.b.o.

The ticket can be sold separately.  Please reply by e-mail.
From: mschweder@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (Mark Schweder)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: Grammatik 4 2.0 for sale
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:00:42 -0500
Organization: Agronomy Dept, Univ of Florida

 I'm asking $25 for Grammatik 4 for Windows 2.0 the premier Windows based
 grammer checking progam. I have the original disks and documentation. 
 Price includes all shipping charges.
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Newsgroups: misc.forsale,rec.audio
From: Richard.Chalk@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Richard Chalk)
Subject: Stereo for sale
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:00:10 GMT

I have posted this before, and received replies, but my follow-up messages

were never answered.  It may be that the system I was using has not sent

them to the right places!!  Please reply to:

 

Richard.Chalk@bbs.oit.unc.edu

 

Thanks

 

Following items are for sale (Used)

 

Description                                  Year Mfg.   Orig. $   Asking $

                                                      (mail order)

 

 

CD Player, Yamaha CDX-500U, Single disk       1988        279       135

type, with remote control. Works well, has

a few scratches

 

CD Player, Yamaha CDX-510U, Single disk       1989        279       160

type, with remote control. Perfect Cond.

 

Cassette Deck, Yamaha KXR-430, Auto-reverse   1990        279       160

, Dolby B/C, HXPro, Full Remote Control,

Perfect Condition, with Manual

 

Amplifier, Yamaha A-28, 100 Watts per         1987        399       150

Channel, 7-band equalizer. NOT Remote.

Includes full Technical Manual.

 

Tuner, Yamaha T-33, AM/FM Stereo, 16          1991        109        80

Presets, Digital display, Brand New in

box with all manuals, Antennas etc.

 

Receiver, Yamaha RX-930, Dolby Surround       1991        629       375

Sound, 100 Watts per Ch. front, 15 Watts

Per Ch. Rear, Programmable Remote, Manual

 

Cassette Deck, Yamaha KX-W302U, Dual deck     1990        349       210

with Auto-reverse both sides, Dolby B/C,

HXPro. Full remote when connected to receiver

above, or other Yamaha with "RS" Remote

 

Receiver, Sony STR-AV1020, Dolby PRO-LOGIC    1991        629       340

Surround Sound, 100 Watts per Ch. front,

20 watts per Ch. Rear, Low-level Center.

Programmable remote control

 

Cassette Deck, Aiwa AD-R40U, single deck      1992        199       100

Auto reverse, Dolby B/C, HXPro. New, but

no box or manual.  Identical to Radio Shack

unit (Current model)

 

Reply Here or Voice at 404-587-1613  Richard.

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     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
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           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Newsgroups: misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,ba.forsale,slo.for-sale
From: rrobinet@zeus.calpoly.edu (Ryan Robinett)
Subject: Modem & Misc Software
Keywords: USR modem, Quattro Pro
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 21:53:56 GMT


USR HST 14.4k External Modem (Under Warranty)      $350 obo

Turbo C++ 1.0 Professional                         $50 obo
    Includes both 5.25 & 3.5 low density
       Turbo Debugger
       Turbo Profiler
       Turbo Assembler

Microsoft Flight Simulator 4.0                     $30 obo
   5.25" low density disks
   All manuals and documentation

Quattro Pro 2.0                                    $30 obo
   Unregistered 
   5.25" low density disks
   All manuals and documentation
   Upgradable to newest version


All items will be shipped COD and the buyer pays shipping.
If you have any questions, I can be reached at rrobinet@demeter.calpoly.edu
							 or
						Ryan (805)544-8583

Note:  I am selling these for a friend, so it'll take a day longer
       to get back to you with answers.
Newsgroups: osu.for-sale,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers
From: jingyao@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jinyao Liu)
Subject: IBM Color Monitor,  Mac Accounting Package, ACCPAC, Simply Accounting
Summary: For sale,  $100 and $80 or Best Offer
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:05:14 GMT

 
   	IBM personal computer color display, Model 5153, excellent condition,
(no screen burns, no scratches).  Asking $100 OBO
 
    
	Mac software,  ACCPAC Bedford, Simply Accounting, ver.1.2F, by Computer
Associates, all original box, manual set, unopened warranty envelope, main 
features, 
 
	* General Ledger	* Accounts Payable
	* Accounts Receivable	* Payroll
	* Invoicing		* Inventory
	* Job Costing		* Financial Statements
 
    Easy Set-up, Streamlined transaction Entry, Fast, complete reporting,  
this is a nice package for those who don't want to hire a dumb behind the
technology type of accountant who charges your hard earned money for his
mistakes !   Info World Best In It's Class award.  Retail at MicroCenter
at $149.95 plus tax,  yours for $80 including tax and shipping. 
 

Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Calculators for sale
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:25:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I have two calculators that I no longer need.  I am out of school at last,
and hope to have employers who don't mind if I use a computer.  Since I will
never use these, all offers are considered.
 
        HP 11c Scientific Calculator.  A classic.  All functions,
programmable, RPN, etc.  Older model, so not much memory.  $30.
 
        Radio Shack ec4031.  All trig, math, statistic, logic functions.  
Hex, Binary, Octal, Decimal.  Solar and bat powered.  $20.
 
Both work just fine and have working batteries.  I have manuals somewhere if
you don't know how to use these.  Remember I will take the best offer.

Regards.

-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
From: peter@trc.tellabs.com
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: RE: Equalizer forsale - $20 - SOLD,SOLD,SOLD
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:12:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tellabs Research Center

It sold today, sorry
Newsgroups: git.forsale,misc.forsale,rec.arts.music,git.faculty
From: drabik@eecom.gatech.edu (Timothy J. Drabik)
Subject: Opera tickets!
Organization: School of Electrical Engineering, Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: ga
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:48:08 GMT

We have two tickets available for the September 5 performance of the
Atlanta Opera Company production of Benjamin Britten's 

	"Albert Herring."

These are excellent seats in the eighth row, center of the orchestra
section of Woodruff Arts Center.  Our price was $59.00 each; we ask
$90.00 for the pair.

Contact Tim Drabik at drabik@solaris.gatech.edu, phone 853-9449.

A brief synopsis of the opera follows:

			Albert Herring

	"This clever spoof of Victorian pomposity opens with lady Billows and
	her high-minded committee trying to find a suitable virgin to be
	crowned May Queen.  To their dismay, there is none to be found, and
	so, to teach the girls a lesson, they elect a new May *King*--the
	reluctant Albert Herring.  Britten is at his wry comic best in this
	tale of lost innocence.  One of this century's leading composers, he
	has fashioned a delightful comedy, where puritanical values and witty
	dialogue create an entertaining evening for everyone."

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From: alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith)
Newsgroups: iu.general,misc.forsale,iu.classified,us.forsale.misc
Subject: Assorted items for sale
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:28:10 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

For sale!  All are in great shape, we are just selling them to get them OUT 
of here. 

SMALL PANASONIC COLOR TELEVISION.  10" screen, good color, is *not* cable 
ready, however has an adaptor on the back so that you can plug cable in and 
get channels 2-12, and with a box from your cable company from $5 you can 
get all of them.  The VHF knob is bent a bit, but works, however it doesn't 
work with cable ANYWAY.  $75  (Will ship price+shipping of your choice)

Dual cassette radio ("jam box").  Tuner, all that jazz.  We bought it to 
take it to the beach, and now we aren't at the beach, and don't need it.  
It was used for perhaps a week.  IN perfect shape, works flawlessly.  $50.
(Will shit price+shipping of your choice)

Weight bench with leg attatchment, and butterfly attatchments.   Comes with 
one long bar and two small dumbell bars, and 150-200 pounds of weights, 
ranging in sizes.  In perfect shape.  $100  (Will NOT ship)

Jogging trampoline.  The "leather" cover of the sides is a bit scruffed up. 
$20  (Will NOT ship)

Large dorm refridgerator.  Over 3.6 cubic foot of space (if I remember 
right, it's the ones that stand about 3.5 fee tall), freezer large enough 
to fit a pizza and some ben & jerry's in.  Used only a few months during 
the last semester.  Works great, light enough for two people to move 
easily, one can do it.  $90 (Will NOT ship)

8 pin dot matrix printer.  Works with all IBM clones (it's supposed to at 
least, and it worked with ours).  Comes with cable for printer - ibm.  You 
will have to know how to play with the dip switches, however.  $45
(Will ship price+shipping of your choice)

If you are interested in these reply!

amy


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From: mrs@osustat.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael Robert Savage)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: misc.forsale.computers osu.for-sale comp.sys.zenith osu.zenith
Followup-To: mrs@osustat.mps.ohio-state.edu
Date: 3 Sep 1992 14:01:22 GMT
Organization: Department of Statistics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: osustat.mps.ohio-state.edu

Dear For-Sale User's:

  I have the following Computer Books For-Sale:

   (1) "FlipFast Guide To: MS-DOS/Z-DOS for Zenith/Heath Computers -
              Volume 1" By William M. Adney, Edited By Larry Atherton

                       (a) Copyright 1985
                       (b) ISBN: 931472-31-8
                       (c) List Price: $19.95
                       (d) Soft-cover
                       (e) Asking: $10.00 or "best offer"

   (2) "FlipFast Guide To: CP/M 80/85 for Zenith/Heath Computers"
              By William M. Adney, Edited By Larry Atherton

                       (a) Copyright 1984
                       (b) ISBN: 931472-30-X
                       (c) List Price: $12.95
                       (d) Soft-cover
                       (e) Asking: $10.00 or "best offer"

Please send me E-Mail to the following address if you are interested in these
items:

   mrs@osustat.mps.ohio-state.edu

Please remember the "best offer" parts. These items MUST GO. Everything is sold
"as-is", but all books are in a "like-new" condition. Thanks and have a great
day.

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- M. R. Savage                Systems Programmer/Administrator/Manager      -
-                             The Ohio State University                     -
- "If you look for the bad    Statistical Computing Laboratory (SCL)        -
-  in people, expecting to    College of Mathematical and Physical Sciences -
-  find it, you surely will." Phone Number: (614)-292-5535                  -
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From: dkw00@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: >>> VIDEO stuff <<<
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:10:22 GMT
Reply-To: dkw00@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

______________________________________________________________________________

70 Channel Cable Ampifiler
  - Enchance cable reception
  - Archer (Radio Shack)
  - AC power supply
  - Asking $20.00 + shipping

_____________________________________________________________________________

Zenith MBR Universal Remote control
  - Preprogram for most TV,VCR and cable box unit
    Simply select the code corresponding to your TV,VCR,CABLE box.
  - Contrl VCR, CABLE, and TV
  - on/off button
  - Adjust button
  - Numberic pad
  - Enter button
  - Channel and volume button
  - VCR basic function (record,play,rev,ff,pause,stop)
  - TV/VIDEO button
  - Mute
  - Flashback
  - No manual
  - Asking $20.00 + shipping

_____________________________________________________________________________

BP All Guard Stabilzer with Video and Audio Enhancer - model V- 1896
  - Audio/Video Gain
  - Stabilizer
  - Video/Audio(stereo) IN/OUT (RCA)
  - Power by AC adapter (included)
  - Asking $25.00 + shipping

____________________________________________________________________________

Non-functional Sanyo Beta VCR
Can be used as a tuner.

  - asking $15.00 (you pick up or pay shipping)

____________________________________________________________________________

Reply to David : dkw00@ruts.ccc.amdahl.com
                 (408) 746-8080
                 (415) 340-3800

____________________________________________________________________________
From: refling@sloth.eng.uci.edu (John P. Refling)
Subject: book: Library of congress subject headings catalog - $100.
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:34:57 GMT
Distribution: usa


Title:            Library of congress subject headings catalog, edition 14
                  this is the full three volume set (about 1 foot thick!).
Date:             [c1991] (latest edition is 15, for 1992)
                  marked: 'Property of University of California---withdrawn'

$100 check to me gets this to you.  Price includes shipping in continental US.

John Refling
Image Engineering
University of California
Irvine, CA  92717

refling @ sloth.eng.uci.edu
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From: Rob_Long@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Rob Long)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: Video Disc Player (with discs)
Distribution: world
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:09:08 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

    The following items are up for sale or possible trade.  They are all in
good shape.  checked out o.k.

Will guarantee for 30 days....... Email here or call Rob 218-365-6396

RCA SELECTAVISION video disk player (older unit works very well)
cosmetically

pretty decent, has a couple wear marks from disks in/out.  $50.00

                              MOVIES!!!!!!

High Noon (Gary Cooper)                        Poltergeist

Stir Crazy                                     An American Werewolf/London

Used cars                                      On Golden Pond

The Blue Lagoon                                War Of The Worlds

Star Trek Trbl.with tribbles                   Star Wars

Star Trek Tholian Web                          Great Muppet Caper

The Fog (Adrienne Barbeau)                     Black Stallion

King Kong (original)                           Shogun (James Clavell)

Muppet Movie                                   The Thing From Another World

Tales From Muppetland                          M.A.S.H (the movie)

Rosemary's Baby                                The Dirty Dozen

Octopussy (007)                                Dr.No (007)

The Graduate (Dustin Hoffman)                  Goldfinger (007)

Autobiography of Jane Pittman                  The China Syndrome

Old Yeller                                     You Only Live Twice (007)

TRON (Disney)                                  The French Connection

Count of Monte-Cristo                          Airplane

All Star Country Music Fair                    From Russia With Love (007)

The Great Escape                               Little House/Prairie

The Bad News Bears                             The Magnificent Seven

Ordinary people                                The African Queen

The Formula              Mighty Mouse (animation)

Ten Commandments (Charleton Heston)            Escape From New York

Diamonds are Forever (007)                     The Champ

 

48 titles some are pretty decent movies some are classics.  1-5 titles $10
each

6-10 titles $8.00  10 plus $7.00...... I realize that the prices may seem
steep,but I would prefer to sell all 48 title at once

Will Sell ALL for $200.00 and toss in the player for free!!  The player is
kinda

neat, You can fast forward or rewind with as clear a picture as playing
it...

Sorry bout the spacing problems..  Will consider trades. Make me an offer
the

worst that can happen is I say NO!

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

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From: daphne@yoursrvc.csd.sgi.com (Daphne Carmeli)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale,ba.market.misc
Subject: Looking for baby stuff
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:35:02 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

I'm looking for baby stuff (crib, dresser, etc)...This is my first baby, so I don't know what I need ...what do you have?


daphne@csd.sgi.com
w: 415-390-5054
h: 415-962-8720
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh)
Subject: Digital Clock For Sale
Keywords: Digital Clock
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:57:17 GMT



FOR SALE:

COSMO TIME LED DIGITAL CLOCK
with snooze and am/pm indicator.

Model No. E 523


This is in excellent working order.

Only $4.00 postage paid.


Contact:
       Michael McHugh
       mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu
From: dkw00@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: >>> Scientific Computer/Calculator <<<
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:02:29 GMT
Reply-To: dkw00@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

CASIO fx-5200P Scientific Computer with "Basic" Programming.

  - Basic Programming with 544 bytes Ram and 26 variable
  - Store up to 5 Basic Programs
  - Build in statistic functions
  - Alpha-numeric 
  - Graphic Symbol
  - 72 Scientic functions
  - Excellent Condition
  - All orginal manual
  - Asking $30.00 + shipping 
_______________________________________________________________________________
 
Reply to David : dkw00@ruts.ccc.amdahl.com
                 (408) 746-8080 
                 (415) 340-3800
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: jimr@mustang.asd.sgi.com (James Rosencrans)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: Concert Tickets
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:39:18 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


Eric Clapton concert tickets for sale  September 4 Shoreline

Sec 201 Row E   Seats 12,13

Price $75 a ticket

Home 510-796-6734
Work 415-390-5446
Beep     335-2915
Newsgroups: umich.forsale,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.wanted
From: takriti@engin.umich.edu (samer Takriti)
Subject: Engineering Books for Sale
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:02:47 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: umich

I have the following books for sale:

Structural Analysis:

1. Finite Elements for Structural Analysis
   by Weaver and Johnston.
2. Theory of Structures
   by Timoshenko and Young.
3. Structural Analysis
   by Ghali and Neville.

Reinforced and Prestressed Concrete:

1. Reinforced Concrete Structures
   by Park and Paulay.
2. Prestressed Concrete Analysis and Design 
   by Naaman.
3. Reinforced Concrete Design
   by Wang and Salmon.
4. Reinforced Concrete, a Fundamental Approach
   by Nawy.
5. Simplified Design of Building Materials
   by Ambrose.
6. PCI design Handbook, Precast and Prestressed Concrete
   3rd edition.

Other:

1. Rock Engineering
   by Franklin and Dusseault.
2. Foundation Analysis
   by Scott.
3. Open Channel Hydraulics
   by Chow.
4. Surveying 
   by Singh.

All books are in excellent condition.

The prices are negotiable and I am open to offers. If interested e-mail
takriti@engin.umich.edu

-Samer
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: HP28S and Casio TV
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:26:42 GMT

I had a buyer for my HP 28S and also for my TV.  He came
short of money and the deal fell through.  I am reducing
the price of the HP

to   $120 since I saw another HP on this net for that price.
For $120 you pay shipping.


Description of the Casio T.V.:

Model TV 470 Hand-held color television features a 2.2" high-
resolution, COLOR LCD screen, one-touch scan tuning, a telescoping
antenna and an external antenna input.  Receives VHF channels 2-13
and UHF channels 14-69.

This TV is like new.  Mfr's Sugg. List: $199

My price is $100 reduced from $115.

Serious offers only please.

Jack Waters II

Newsgroups: misc.forsale,rec.music.synth.rec.music.makers,rec.music.marketplace