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From: bigstar@hardy.u.washington.edu (J Paschel)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: My roommate broke my kitten's leg!!!!
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:38:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov11.213858.224
Organization: University of Washington

>Matthew Harrington (ph600fcy@sdcc14.ucsd.edu) wrote:

>: My 10 week old kitten named Simon climbed up onto the dinner table
>: the other day and jumped into my roommate's plate of spaghetti.  The
>: roommate angrily threw the kitten down.  It wasn't a toss, it really
>: had some force in it.  My girlfriend, who watched the whole thing,
>: then went to clean the kitten off and noticed that his rear leg was
>: hanging limp.  The kitten began crying.
>: 
>: I took the kitten into the animal emergency room to have some X-rays
>: done, and it turns out that the leg is broken.  It will be OK, but
>: just painful for a while.
>: 
>: It looks like a confrontation between me (or my girlfriend) and the
>: roommate is inevitable.  I hope that no one has had to deal with
>: this situation before, but it so I'd like some advice and comments.

One option is to wait until your roommate is asleep, procure a large
sledgehammer, and smash both her kneecaps into thousands of little bone
fragments.  No, two wrongs don't make a right, but it would be quite funny
to see her crawling around on the floor attempting to phone an ambulance. 

After you smash her kneecaps you might consider a new roommate as I doubt
you would be able to get a good night's sleep in the same household. After
all, you'd never know what revenge she was plotting.....

-- 
"Life is that which dies when you stomp on it." - Mark Tilden, BEAM Robotics

                 --=={{ bigstar@u.washington.edu }}==--
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Subject: Re: other monsters....
From: cowieson@brandonu.ca
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:02:57 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

I was sound asleep in bed one night when I awoke to a thumping
noise at the base of my bed.  Cautiously I peered over the end
to find out what was happening.  My cat, Simmons, has his right
(and always his right) paw poised above his head and was kinda
circling it around like a batter does.  Bravely he'd beat at
the monster, jumping backwards after each blow.  It took quite
alot of convincing that it was dead before he would let me
go back to sleep.

The object of his attention was my hair dryer and he still
occasionally decides to do battle with it every so often.

Lisa
From: bobd@jupiter.informix.com (Bob Dodge)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Humane society vs. prospective adopters
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:13:43 GMT
Reply-To: bobd@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc. Lenexa, Ks. Division

In article 8567@iscsvax.uni.edu, klier@iscsvax.uni.edu () writes:
**jonathan@geop.ubc.ca (Jonathan Thornburg) writes:
**> In article <1992Nov9.191250.8456@ohsu.edu> davispa@ohsu.edu writes:
**>> I know they have to be concerned and careful of
**>>who adopts pets, but the way I was treated was absolutely "inhumane" to say
**>> the least.  
**> 
**> In their defense, the xmas season tends to bring a lot of poor-cat-home
**> prospective adopters to shelters, trying to get cute kittens for their
**> too-young-to-care-for-them children.  These kittens are regularly
**> dumped or "returned" around Jan 15th or so.  In view of this, shelters
**> are probably inclined to be more pickey about prospective adopters
**> wanting kittens at this season than they might otherwise be.
**
**I was a little non-plussed to be told by one of my vets that I would
**probably not get approved as an adoptive home by one of the local 
**shelters, since I had "too many cats"... she said that I'd probably
**need a letter from her or another vet vouching for the fact that I
**take proper care of my animals...   muy estran~o.
**
**Well, add that on to the "reasons that I've never been to a shelter".
**The main one, of course, is that I'd walk in, take a quick look around,
**pull out the checkbook and ask "How much for everybody?"
**
**Folks who volunteer their time at shelters, trying to locate good
**homes for animals, have my undying admiration.  Jon and the rest of
**you, please take a bow.
**
*Kay
** 
	I am not a regular reader of this group, but also wanted to add $.02 worth of defense
for the people who find homes for animals.  Toward the end of January each year, I find 2 or 3
cats in or around my bird feeders.  Kind of tough on the birds.  However, I have found in every
case except one that these were cold, frightened, and very hungry critters who appearently were
"not fun anymore", and were turned out to fend for themselves.  It gets cold here in January,
and these guys usually don't even have a winter coat of fur to help them through.  I get so
irritated that someone would do something like this, I would like to dump them in northern
Canada without a coat and see how they do.  But reality is there are many thoughtless humans 
in the world so I don't blame the shelter people for trying to make sure they are placing an
animal in a good stable home.  The volunteers I have met care greatly about the cats and dogs
they have under their care.  They spend many thankless hours trying to help.  They are great
people.
	Thanks for letting me state an opinion.


---
Bob Dodge, Informix Software, Inc., Lenexa, Ks. Division USA 
           bobd@informix.com
	  - These are strictly my own personal opinions-   				
Organization: Housing System, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:23:02 -0500 
From: Amy Ginther <ag3b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Sox

A friend of mine wondered if Sox Clinton is a member of the DemoCATic party.

My boys, Gus and Burlington and their friends, Eddy and Larry, have
always been loyal DemoCATS.
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Eating Yogart
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:25:59 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

> anybody else have a cat who loves yogurt?

What goes
	slurp,
	scritch,
	scritch,
	meow!,
	slurp,
	slurp,
	patter-patter-BONK!
	MEOOW!!
	patter-patter-scritch-scritch-BONK!
	MEOW!!, slurp, MEOW!!
and has four gooey white eyebrows?

...two kittens trying to get the last drips out of carton of yogurt each and
blundering round a kitchen floor with their heads stuck in the cartons.

-- 
--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
INTERNET: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk or via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    FAX: 041 330 4913
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From: hagel@stsci.edu
Subject: Re:  the presidential cat
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:07:26 GMT

BTW, an addendum to my earlier post on the topic:

According to the Washington Post, both Bill & Hillery Clinton are mildly 
allergic to Socks, but take allergy shots so Chelsea can have a pet!  I 
think I'm going to like them...

Crystal Hagel
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: eomiya@borland.com (Elliot Omiya)
Subject: Re: Weird cat treats
Originator: eomiya@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:40:04 GMT

Pounce smells like chicken broth to me.  It's just the right kind of aromatic
for the cats.  Jestina loves the stuff.

Personally, I don't feed my cat people food, it's not really that good for 
them.  Sorry, not preaching but I really don't know if my cat likes yogurt
because I don't eat the stuff myself. ;-)

-=<EHO>=-
From: deeds@oracle (Deanna J. Deeds)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Feline Urinary problem... HELP!
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:26:44 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Michael R. Dow (r1156c@waccvm.corp.mot.com) wrote:
: 
:     Vincent, my Maine Coon cat, has developed a problem.  Over the past 
: several days he has begun drinking huge quantities of water and urinating 
: very shortly after drinking.
: 
:     After a trip to the vet and several blood tests, we still don't know 
: what's wrong with the loveable little fellow.  The vet says that he is 


Could it be a liver problem?  This is just a guess, does anyone have
a clue?  I hope your kitty gets better ...

Deanna
From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: kitten with bladder problem
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:32:34 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

Dear Confused:

You describe a 10 week old female kitten constantly dribbling urine, not
showing any signs of other illness, and seemingly normal in eating, drinking,
sleeping, playing, defecation and other activities.

It is not possible to say it is this or that.  I can describe a few
possibilities, and I may not hit on the one your kitten has at that - although
I think these are the more likely things to rule out.

The highest suspects on the list are congenital malformations of parts of the
urinary tract, and nerve problems.  A key observation that must be made is
whether and how the cat urinates when she actually does do a voluntary
urination.  If she never does - just dribbles it all out - there is greater
likelihood of what is called a lower motor neuron disfunction, or a
congenitally dysfunctional urethral sphincter.  If her urinations are abnormal
(incomplete, forced, etc.), there can be clues about what type of problems are
involved.  In an exam situation, the bladder should be expressed to evaluate
sphincter tone and bladder urine volume.

Other possibilites are inflammatory disorders that could be brought about by
urinary tract infection (UTI).  A low possibility is obstruction.  A urine
sampled should be analysed for any kidney abnormalities and for signs of UTI.
Certainly, this sort of loss of control makes the animal more susceptible to
UTI, as well.  It is also recommended to do a blood test of cell counts (CBC)
and chemistry values (profile), to properly rule out systemic illness,
infections, obstruction, and kidney diseases.

Other congenital abnormalities (ectopic ureter, urachal anomalies, fistulas,
and the like) are possible.  Contrast radiographic studies of the bladder and
urinary tract will help to evaluate these.

I hope this isn't too technical sounding.  The bottom line is this:  make some
observations of how the cat urinates voluntarily (if at all).  Consult with
your vet about this, and about the costs of doing a more complete workup.
Evaluate your commitment to properly diagnosing and treating the kitten.  Some
of the possible conditions can be treated with medication, some require
surgery, some both.  Some may not respond well to therapy in all cases.

Let me know what happens.  I hope your kitty's problems can be solved.

-Jeff
---------------------
Jeff Parke <jeffp@vcs10.vetmed.wsu.edu>
also:   jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet     CIS: 71511,1512    AOL: JeffParke
Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994
Pullman, WA  99164-7012
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: What to name a male BLACK kitten...
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:02:30 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

holmbeck@cs.weber.edu (Holmbeck) wrote:
> Well, I've loved reading what you've all thought about male white kittens,
> how about male Black kittens. :)

Ishmael (semi-longhair tuxedo cat) was named after the black American
writer Ishmael Reed, because I was reading one of Reed's books when I
went to see the kittens, and his black face and big sombre eyes were just
like the face on the book jacket.

So how about using the names of other famous black men? - Mingus, X,
Langston, Muhammad Ali, Shaka, or the brothers Booker and Ice T?

-- 
--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
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Xref: sparky rec.pets.cats:13281 rec.pets:3530
From: loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,rec.pets
Subject: Re: the presidential cat
Date: 9 Nov 1992 10:42:43 -0500
Organization: staff hacker @ Yale Haskell project
NNTP-Posting-Host: functor.systemsz.cs.yale.edu
In-reply-to: ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu's message of Mon, 9 Nov 92 14:24:06 GMT

Actually, I've read that Clinton himself claims to be allergic to
cats.  Socks hangs out with Chelsea Clinton instead.

-Sandra
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: maxfield@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joan C. Maxfield)
Subject: Re: Cat drooling excessivly
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:53:52 GMT

	You said that one of the cats had been eating a houseplant.
Perhaps the plants sap or leaves irritated her mouth (they must have
irritated her tummy) assuming she was the one that ate it.  I would
double check to see that the plants are not toxic, if the are check
with the vet to see what problems they cause and if she is in danger
(you may be able to call poison control) some plants can cause organ
damage and some may just cause vomiting.  Other than that I'd keep an
eye on her teeth and mouth.  If she was just at the vet I wouldn't
expect tooth trouble, I assume your vet looked in her mouth.  Just be
carefull, a friend of mine had to put her cat down because of an oral
cancer, they noticed it becaue the cat drooled a lot.  Then again
maybe she always drooled and you never noticed? nahhh.

Good luck,
Joan

-- 
J. C. Maxfield				maxfield@athena.cs.uga.edu
DISCLAIMER:  I don't speak for the University, but they often speak for me!
From: jojo@sandman.asd.sgi.com (jojo Wesener)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Ok to feed tuna daily ??
Date: 8 Nov 1992 00:47:41 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.asd.sgi.com

In <1dhhj7INNi3t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bt630@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Michaels) writes:
> Hi.
> 
> I have a ~3 year old (indoor-outdoor/castrated) male cat who loves
> tuna.  I feed him mostly dry food (DAD'S Special Mix).  I also
> treat him, almost daily, to approximately 1-2 ounces of tuna canned
> in spring water.  Is this a bad idea??  In the long-term -- will
> this diet harm him or shorten his life expectancy?

My understanding is that this is VERY bad.  I've had 2 friends do this
and their cats ended up getting urinary tract infections.  I believe
the cause was something like high magnesium concentrations in the
canned tuna.  I've also heard of this happening to other people.

I don't want to risk it.  Why don't you buy them some regular canned 
cat food instead of canned tuna?  They'll like that too and it's
a heck of a lot cheaper.

jojo
--
--jojo                                         jojo@sgi.com
	In your lifetime your heart will pump 
	enough blood to fill 13 giant cargo ships.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: hagel@stsci.edu
Subject: Re:  Eating Yogurt
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:49:14 GMT

There was a marvelous picture in Saturday's  Washington Post, Section A, 
of an Egyptian soldier with the UN forces in Bosnia sharing a cup of yogurt 
with a local cat!

Crystal Hagel
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: toftner@icd.teradyne.com (Liv Toftner)
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Holiday
Reply-To: toftner@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:03:59 GMT


When I travel, I have a cat sitter come in.  Yes, your kitten will 
be lonely, (Pounce's remedy was to shred the toilet paper and pull
all the books off the bookshelves).  However, Pounce hates to be
confined.  The minute he is in the cat carrier, he screams, non-stop.

My long term solution to the loneliness problem was to get Lion, now
two of them shred toilet paper and pull books off shelves.

Liv, Pounce and Lion

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: WHAT TO NAME A WHITE MALE KITTEN
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 00:28:42 GMT

In article <wall-051192173511@elvis.swarthmore.edu> wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew Wall) writes:
> In article <1992Nov4.014446.175240@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, gjs2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (G
> EORGE J. SCHLOGL) writes:
> >ALSO I NEED A GREAT NAME.
> >NOTHING STUPID OR TIPICAL LIKE WHITEY OR SNOWBALL,FLUFFY
>
>How about...

[long list of terrific names deleted]

matt, these were great! I laughed reading the list several times! Thank you!
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: Humane Society Blues
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 19:46:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.190032.16098@ohsu.edu> davispa@OHSU.edu writes:
>questioned me further, at which some point I mentioned to her that my Calif.
>cat happened to be declawed, to which she and the other HS person together lit
>into me like I was the most criminal fiend alive, and gave me the riot act and
>the schpeil all about what it does to cats. [...]
>- It said "declawed cats only" on it.  When I asked where the kittens were,
>they said I would not be "allowed" to see them or any cat that was not
>declawed.  I would only be "allowed" to adopt a declawed cat -- not a kitten.

I agree with you 100%. These people were way out of line. Their job is to 
find *good* homes for these cats, not an animal rights radical's idea of the
*utopian* home.

If this is the Humane Society, as opposed to a city shelter, you might want
to consider getting in touch with the head office to report your experience.
Most people involved with the HS are not this militant - and with good reason,
because, as you point out, many more animals would have to be put down if 
they started requiring "no declawing under any circumstances" as well as 
neutering and questionnaires. There's a limit to the conditions even the best 
prospective owners will put up with, and most reasonable people recognize that.
The people you dealt with were clearly not reasonable at all. In fact, I'd say
they were completely out of touch with reality.

I also agree that it would be better to give a cat to an otherwise-excellent
home where it would be declawed than to destroy it for lack of a perfect home.
Any person working at a shelter who doesn't agree with that shouldn't be there.
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: R1156C@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Michael Dow)
Subject: Feline Urinary Problem.. Continued...
Organization: Motorola
Date: 9 Nov 1992 07:17:55 MST

In our last installment, we heard about Vincent, the Maine Coon Cat, who
suddenly began drinking huge quantities of water and not concentrating
his urine.

This is another installment of that story...
----
    A little more background on Vincent:  Vincent is about 9 months old
and was neutered at 6 mos.  Prior to now he has been a little bit annoying
about his selective use of the litter box, but has never been drinking
a Quart (!!!!) of water a day.

    All the tests the vet ran were negative.  The kidneys (so says the
vet) are slightly enlarged, however, but there is no sign of infection.
I got a couple responses via email statiing that Maine Coon cats are
susceptible to renal kidney failure in their later years.

    Vincent goes back to the vet today.. *sigh*  This is getting
expensive.

Michael R. Dow
R1156C@waccvm.corp.mot.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen)
Subject: Re: Spooky things
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:57:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.184337.11334@noao.edu> morin@noao.edu (Marg Morin) writes:
>(lots of good previous stuff deleted
>>
>>I figure we're the poster couple for unsuccessful leash
>>training.  Any advice?
>>
>>
>>I'd like to hear a success story 
>>
>>
>>
>
>You think you're the poster couple? Check this out:
>
>Chessie was a 4 week old abandoned baby when I rescued her from
>the bushes at a friends house. She spent lots of time at the vet
>getting treated for GI infection and such (just some intro info).
>


Okay, I admit you and Chessie are contenders.  Nevertheless, here
follows Installment #2.

Some kind person with a sensible cat on this list recommended that
I harnass Doug up and let him go about his business in the house and
PRESTO! leash training will be a breeze come the spring. Inspired, I
located the harnass is question (still tied to clothes line, in a snarl
where I had flung it in despair) and buckled Doug in.

I set him down on the floor and he immediately froze and tipped over,
writhing as if in great pain. (I checked, harnass was not too tight.)
I crossed my arms, sat back.  He continued to writhe. Checked the harnass
again.  Writhing continues.  Grab his favorite toy (foil ball on string)
and begin to fool around with it.  Writhing stops.  He gets to his feet
and proceeds to moonwalk -- crash! into the coffee table, crash! into
the couch!, crash! into the wall.  Freezes, tips over.  Writhes.

Needless to say, Doug won this battle. I'm toying with renting the
football stadium and/or starting a local chapter of Kitty Leash
Trainers Anonymous.



















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From: daj8m@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Deirdre A. Johnson)
Subject: Re: What to name a male BLACK kitten...
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:39:27 GMT

I've always liked the name "Sebastian", and I think it suits black cats
best.  Or a friend of mine suggested "Lucifer" - good if he is at all
impish.  Or you could use words in other languages for "dark" or "black."
Eg.: Swedish "mork"=dusk, dark; "svart"=black.  Irish "dubh" (pronounced 
- roughly - "dure", as in that early U2 song "An cat dubh".  Or you 
could call him "Mel" from the Greek (... or maybe just Gibson, Brooks
or Torme...)

That's all I can think of for now.  Hope it helps a little!

-Deirdre (daj8m@Virginia.edu)