From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [soc.culture.turkish, et al.]  Re: Herbert violating US Constitution: suppressing the voice of truth.
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Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:09:48 GMT

[A repost - Carl]

From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,news.admin,news.admin.policy
Subject:  Re: Herbert violating US Constitution: suppressing the voice of truth.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 18:40:56 EDT

In article <18pjjiINNq81@agate.berkeley.edu> gwh@soda.berkeley.edu (George William Herbert) writes:

>way to discourage reply mail arrived in my lap today when Ahmet Cosar,
>system administrator of anatolius.michigan.com (aka. anatolius.mn.org
>and uunet!anatolius, apparently) threatened to take legal action
>against me for my suggestion that the right way to deal with the
>Mutlu-style postings was for anyone who was offended to email
>the offensive or inappropriate posting back to the sender along
>with a complaint about it.  This is being taken care of off Usenet.

All in all you are just another fascist in the revisionism wall.
Well, anyway, the British first subjected the Armenians to intense 
propaganda and then directed them to attack Turkish targets.
The pressing reason for this policy was to enable them to take 
Eastern Anatolia and Caucasia without transgressing the conditions
of the Mondros Armistice. It is on the record that the British said 
to local Armenians, 

'You kill the Muslims and we will supply you with arms and ammunition.'[1]

Armenian volunteers concentrated at the Turkish border in Caucasia,[2]
and then attacked Van,[3] Bitlis,[4] Nakhichevan,[4] Beyazit,[5] and
Kars and Erzurum.[6] The Commander for the 15th Army Corps wrote that 
Armenian units had attacked many Turkish villages with artillery and 
machine guns, that the local people's goods and animals had been usurped, 
that young women had been taken away, the women and children had been 
tortured to death in the mountains, that these attacks on the properties, 
lives and honor of the Muslims were still being perpetrated.[7]

[1] BBA, Meclis-i Vukela Mazbatalari, 212/404, 6 October 1904-1919.
[2] BBA, Dahiliye Nezareti: Sifre Kalemi: 20.vi.1919, 86/53/40.59.
[3] BBA, Dahiliye Nezareti: Kalem-i Mahsus, November 1335 (1919), document
    no. 8339/98.
[4] BBA, Dahiliye Nezareti: Kalem-i Mahsus, 28.viii.1919. cipher no. 7620.
[5] Belgelerle Ermeni Sorunu (Ankara, 1983), p. 370.
[6] Ibid., p. 371.
[7] For information on the Armenian genocide of the Muslims: Islam Ahalinin
    Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat, 1919.

It is also on the record that Armenians were often given British 
uniforms and that in most cases those Armenians who knew English
were made officers. Kazim Karabekir Pasha complained about these 
practices to Lieutenant-Colonel Rawlinson who came to Anatolia to
demobilize the Turkish army but became its hostage after the Turkish
national struggle for independence began. Although Rawlinson at 
first did not want to believe the Turkish genocide, at the end
he could not help talking about the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million
Muslims in his memoirs. Kazim Karabekir appealed in desperation 
to him to stop the genocide against the Muslim Turkish people.
This appeal by Kazim Karabekir was left unanswered. 

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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