From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 18:18:22 GMT

In article <1SEP199211402081@phobos.ucc.umass.edu> s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
>
>Hello, Mr. Eileen Shen,
>
>I posted an article to your following post yesterday. However, it seems
>not going through. So, here I am again. This will also serve as an 
>anser to "ping". I will try to be calm and decent as I said earlier today.
>Do not regard it as a personal response. It is just my personel statement
>regarding to issues. After all I am new to the SCC netters, so I'd like
>the oppotunity to let my points known.

  I saw your earlier article.  But seems this one is different.

>I did not realized that my previous post made you so furious. Probably, 
>the word "Puppy" was not appropriate. If so, I do apologize. What I 
>meant was that we were not someone's stooge or puppet. By accepting
>the other people's protection would not necessarily make us stronger.

  A big portion of the tax is spent on military and police which are
  supposed to pretect people.  According to your point, people should
  not accept that protection by refusing to pay that portion of tax.

>The protection bill may improve the situation of the Chinese student
>here for short run, but in the long run it will hurt the Chinese
>community as a whole. (I think that I may post another article to
>express myself more explicitly on this issue.)

  If you can, please.

>[...]
>
>I brought up the issue of animal and human beings, because that I believe
>"we are all human beings" has become an excuse for someone's selfishness.
>According to Christianity, the difference here is that human beings
>"are created with the GOD'S image". Apprently, I do not agree with
>this definition. I do not know what is your definition. As I understand,
>the fundamental difference is that human beings live in a community,

  A lot of animals live in a community.

>do have a moral in accord with the community and every individual has
>to obey the moral standard.

  Animals, at least those living in a community, do have moral standards.

>                            If everybody thinks only for themselve
>without following the social moral standard and use "we are all
>human beings" as an excuse, it will just degrade the value of human
>being to the animal.

  Some animal's moral is higher than human's.  :-)
  So, what's the fundamental difference between aminals and human beings?
  Moral seems not the answer, at least not to me.  Engles had some
  remarks on such issue.
  
>I still do demand a definition for the freedom and democracy we
>are talking here. CCP always claims that it grants the people the
>greatest freedom and democracy according to its definition. In
>the struggle in 30's and 40's, they claimed that they were fighting
>for a "new China with peace, democracy and freedom." Mao once said that
>"We will grant our people the greates freedom but not our enemies."
>So, clearly, there is a problem of definition. Even in the so called
>free world, the style and degree of democracy was different and varies
>with the culture and nationality. Ping said I enjoyed my dad slash
>me on my face.

  That's the impression you gave me in your post.

>               What I meant was just a cultural difference. When I
>was in Japan, I could often hear a husband beating her wife from
>the house across the street from my apartment and n body intervene.

  That's just one example that human's moral is not necessarily higher
  than animals'.

>I am not say it is not a problem. Do you think mornachy is in accord
>with the democratic principle? Of course not. Then is Great Britain a
>democratic country? You would say yes. So, like other political term,
>democracy and freedom do subjuct to definition and do varies from 
>culture to culture, from country to country.

  It's OK only if it's the choice of people (or majority of people),
  not imposed on the society through force according to a few persons'
  will.

>[...]

-ping