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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: lost e-mail
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:16:10 GMT


If anyone just sent me e-mail beside Mike Thompson in the last
few minutes, please resend...it was garbled at this end...
thanks,

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
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From: gregw@hspice.portal.com ()
Subject: Badly maintained lanes - what to do?
Organization: Meta-Software Inc., Campbell, CA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:15:58 GMT

Doesn't it *really* piss you off when you get stuck on one of
those lanes one night when it consistently drops the rack,
or keeps the balls in the pit, or mis-scores, or whatever!

Why is it that no one will buy a solution like "You lane only
worked at 60% efficiency tonight, so I'm only paying 60% of
my match fee."  When you bowl, you are paying in part for a 
service, namely that the machines function and score.  If they
do not provide the service, why should you pay?

If you rent a piece of equipment, and it consistently breaks,
more often than not the rental company will give you a discount
or credit or something, because they want your return business.
Why is it that bowling establishments more or less refuse to?
It's almost a, "Your paying for the privilege of bowling here"
attitude.

One place I bowl at infrequently keeps posted at their front desk
an updated tally of the average number of breakdowns per day,
the length of time down, and so on, for everyone to see.  It
encourages them to fix things promptly, and preempt problems
with regular maintenance.  Kudos to them.

Just my usually peeved $0.02 worth :-)

-- Greg
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: HEADS UP EVERYONE!
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X-Xxdate: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:38:21 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:44:45 GMT

Just to let everyone know...

I received in the mail two notices for two new balls that
are available at a discount rate.  That's the good news..

The bad news is that the manufacturer is only allowing
shipment to the PBA members home address!  (I'm not
kidding, this is a new policy..hmm wonder why? heh heh).

Before I post the listing (I don't need any new balls
at this time, so I'm offering all of the balls listed
to the net)..I would like to get a feeling of how 
everyone would like to handle this.  I have no problem
with re-sending the ball to anyone who wants one.

First, I think in all fairness, I should receive the
money (certified check or money order would be
best) before I order.  Since time is a factor, (most
of the offers have 30 expiration dates), the
money would have to be received as soon as possible.
Trust me, I won't "steal" your money!  (some of you
work with my dad in Ca!).

Secondly, I just called UPS to ask them how much
a 16lb ball would cost to ship from my house as well
as the delivery time just to get an sample of how
much additional cost would be incurred.

(all prices are from my home in Reston Va)

To California  ---  11.00   6 days shipping time
To Miami Fl     ---    8.00  3-4 days shipping time
To New York    ---    9.00  2.-3 days shipping time

So it looks like the average shipping cost is around
8-10 dollars and about 5 days shipping.  Most of the
manufacturers deliver the ball to my house in 5 business
days.  (it could vary based on demand, personnel etc, for
example, the Purple Sumo was in such high demand, the
ball took 2 weeks to deliver, and the factory is only
200 miles away!).

Sooo... for example if a ball costs $25.00 from the
factory, the total cost for someone in California
would be:

$25.00 (ball)
$11.00 (UPS)
$36.00 Total..with a total mail time of approximately 11
days. (a couple of weeks).

Keep in mind, I'm not making ANY money off this so 
any help making sure the money is HERE before the
ball is ordered is greatly appreciated.

BTW...on another note, I'm working with a local sports shop
here that used to have a pro shop into taking orders directly
from the distributor and mailing the ball directly to your
house.  Right now, it looks like the cost may be AT COST
plus $10  and S/H (their middleman charge).  More on this if it
ever jells. PLEASE I CANNOT TAKE ORDERS AT THIS
TIME!!  The agreement with the sports shop has not been settled.

Please post your opinions on what I suggested. If you have
a better idea please let me know.  I want to keep this as
simple as possible! :-)

Now...the BIG question is...just WHY am I DOING this?? ;-) ...

Regards,



-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
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From: wperz@edc3jr.gpsh.pitt.edu (Walter G. Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: HEADS UP EVERYONE!
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:33:25 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group, University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Sep14.204445.2908@worldbank.org> aki@akidamme-233324.
[...]
worldbank.org (aki) writes:>First, I think in all fairness, I should receive 
the>money (certified check or money order would be
  Sounds more than fair to me.

>Secondly, I just called UPS to ask them how much
  Sounds like a good price to me.

>Please post your opinions on what I suggested. If you have
>a better idea please let me know.  I want to keep this as
>simple as possible! :-)
>
Sounds pretty simple to me. (and believe me, I'm simple ;-))

>Now...the BIG question is...just WHY am I DOING this?? ;-) ...
Because your interest in the sport is bigger than a Bob Vespi Hook with a 
Dull Blue Hammer on Sahara Lanes.  (Just like the ones here in pgh)

TTFN

Walter
From: mgtst2+@pitt.edu (Michael G Thompson)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Hall of Shame
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:10:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: mgtst2@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu


Well, I think i can qualify for the Hall of Shame too.
After a good first week (194,203,224=621), I came back
on Tuesday with a whole 127,193,176=496. No matter what
I did, I just plain out sucked, and when I did through
a good shot I didn't get rewarded (guess it was just one of
those night).
Ad what make me upset, is I bowl 6 games last night:
236,194,237,235,236,234---Why can't I do that in league???
The bad part about last night though, is that I opened at least
once in EVERY game, usually twice. And most of them were
easy one pin spares (the 4 pin and the 7 pin were giving me
nightmares).

And to whoever made that 7-10, congrats...


mike thompson
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From: pgleason@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Pat Gleason)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Badly maintained lanes - what to do?
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:42:34 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Sep10.191558.23367@hspice.portal.com> gregw@hspice.portal.com writes:

>Doesn't it *really* piss you off when you get stuck on one of
>those lanes one night when it consistently drops the rack,
>or keeps the balls in the pit, or mis-scores, or whatever!

The house that we bowl at guarantees your team (& opponents) all of your money 
back for that night if your lane(s) are down for > 15 minutes or goes down
and you have to move to another pair.  I was never really sure about the 
guarantee until once last winter when we continually had problems getting our
balls back.  After the third attempt at a repair, the manager came by with
a refund of our house fee for the night and moved us to another pair!   
-- 
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From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: Good Ball for *Very* Dry Lanes?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:28:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.081757.18447@axion.bt.co.uk> dchristo@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk writes:
>Speaking of Hammers, I`m contemplating acquiring a blue hammer - is it
>a good all round ball? Can it be used on any lane condition? Or is
>there another ball I should consider...?
>
When I hear the "is this a good all-around bowling ball?" question, I
am reminded of an old ball driller's joke:

	Frustrated bowler goes into pro shop and demands:
	Customer: "Give me a ball that hooks on oily lanes and goes
		  straight on dry lanes!"
	Ball driller: [sarcasm] "What color do you want???"

Ok, so it's not all that funny!  %^)

To answer your question about the blue sanded Hammer, I do think it's
a good ball for *most* people on *most* lane conditions.  Any soft 
urethane that can be polished up to a gloss will cover a wide range of
lane conditions.  The blue Hammer is one; the Columbia black U-Dot,
the BUD II, U2 and Beast; Ebonite black Turbo and both Nitros; are si-
milar soft urethanes that have the capability to hook on oil when
sanded and skid on dry when polished.

In reference to the above "joke", finding a single ball to fill all of
your bowling needs is like owning one shirt and one pair of pants to live
your life in.  It could be done, but how comfortable would you be if
you had to go to work/school/weddings etc... in the clothes you painted
your house in?  Likewise, if you bowled in a league at a dry house and
one day decided to bowl in a tournament at an oily house, you'd either
be fighting the condition or constantly altering the ball surface.  I
guess what it boils down to is that, without monumental effort on your
part, there isn't one ball out there today that will truly handle *all*
lane variations successfully.  But good luck in your search nonetheless,
and if you find the one ball "that hooks on oil and goes straight on dry",
let all of us know! %^)


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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: beers across america...
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:39:11 GMT


Not to waste too much bandwidth but knowing how much bowlers
like beer I thought some of you might be interested in a club
that I recently joined.  It's called Beers Across America.
Basically it's a "beer of the month" club sent from various
microbreweries (150 in all).  They send a six pack each
from two  featured microbreweries each month.  If you want any
additional info e-mail me and I'd be happy to provide more
info...



-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Rhino Pro questions
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:09:08 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division


Just a quick question to all who have/had a Rhino Pro.

How does it  finish?  I am trying to find a ball that will be a little
more  consistent  than my Sumo on Dry lanes  (like last  night!!)  The
purple hammer I have works ok, but I am looking for a better finisher.

what is the diffrence  between the Black, Blue, and Neon models?  Also
what  kind of  prices  do you have in your  area?  I was in a pro shop
here looking at their book and the price listed was $99.  But it would
cost me $149 to buy it from them....  nice markup.

Dave "71 in the 7th on my 3rd game last night after a 225" Fleck
(finished with a 155 though)
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From: wcbulko@rapids.austin.ibm.com (Bill Bulko)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: release problem, continued
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:47:15 GMT
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin
Originator: wcbulko@rapids.austin.ibm.com

When I was a teenager bowling in the AJBC, there was a guy in our
league named Scott who prided himself on throwing the ball harder
than anyone else.  (His bowling strategy:  "if you don't like what
you're getting, put more speed on the ball.")

One day, I was waiting to bowl on lane 7, and Scott was on the
approach for lane 6.  As you may have guessed from this thread,
he had a *little* trouble with his release -- but this one was
REALLY impressive.  Imagine my surprise as I watched the ball
fly into the air, sail over the gutters, land on *my* lane,
bounce once, and score a solid Brooklyn strike!

					Bill

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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: followup to my post on ball orders..
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X-Xxdate: Tue, 8 Sep 92 21:09:49 GMT
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:16:08 GMT

In article <wperz.9.715957478@edc3jr.gpsh.pitt.edu> Walter G. Perz,
wperz@edc3jr.gpsh.pitt.edu writes:
>Will you consider also posts responding to your postings?
Sure...first post/email I get/see gets the orders....fair nuff??

:-)

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Hall of SHAME nomination?
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X-Xxdate: Fri, 11 Sep 92 22:06:33 GMT
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:12:54 GMT

In article <23264@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> Anne Locke,
locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com writes:
>So what bothered you... the fact that it was a GIRL or that she threw
>a STRAIGHT ball?  Or both?  Isn't bowling great?  

naw...I've been beaten by girls before ;-) ..
the straight ball got under my skin tho! :-)



-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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"How come the best bowling ball for
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From: pgleason@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Pat Gleason)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: 10 pin gripes (LH bowler)
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:28:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

Last night in my mixed league, I left a bunch of 10 pins.  Being a LH bowler,
I normally leave my share of 7 pins, but I've never had a problem leaving solid
10 pins on pocket hits.  Therefore, I wasn't sure what adjustment to make.  
I'm not really complaining, I like shooting 10 pins much more than shooting 7 
pin spares :-).  Does anybody have a suggestion as to what causes this, and what
admustment could be made to alleviate it?  I throw a BUD II pretty much 
straight out over the first arrow and let it snap into the pocket.
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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: UNIX Based Bowling Software
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:35:23 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley) writes:
> 
> The subject line should tell all ... specifically, Sun SPARC Stations.
> If it is available via FTP, that would be fantastic ...

You mean someone out there actually uses a SUN??


Humor intended!

Dave
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: an aki thought he had it bad...
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:51:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.185722.23741@col.hp.com> Dave Fleck, fleck@col.hp.com writes:
>He also said that I needed some side and top weight in my ball... not being
>an expert on such issues... what is the consensus?
>

side weight?  which kind? negative or positive.  Top weight? does
he mean thumb weight?
I don't know how your ball is rolling but basically here's what
side  and thumb weight does...

Negative side weight:

Causes the ball to hook earlier and roll straighter.  The ball
makes an even arc while rolling down the lane.

Positive side weight:

Gives the ball hooking power.  Good when the outside portion of the lane
is dry.  (lets you shoot a more inside shot through the oil).

Thumb weight:

Causes the ball to hook early.  Drill pattern has the thumb close to the
center of the weight block.  Good for oily lanes.

and (conversely) Finger weight:

Causes the ball to skid longer before it begins to roll.  Drill pattern
has the fingers close to the center of the weight block.  Good for
dry lanes.


So...knowing all this..
Picture this in your mind...

neg weight ->  release, bite break fast then hold..
 * pos weight ->  release, hold then break fast on the back end.
 * thumb weight - > release, bite early, start breaking across the lane.
finger weight - > release,skid...slowly start to break into the pocket.


 * If you have thumb weight AND positive weight on your ball, your ball
will (a) break very early (thumb weight) and keep on hooking across
the lane (positive weight), hence having no problems hitting the 7
pin (or 10 pin for lefties) all night long...uh...even on the first ball!

Most people, unless they have REAL problems getting their ball to
break (like a ball with minimal revolutions) or extremely oily
conditions will choose one or the other.  Both can be difficult
to control.  And if you REALLY want to see a comedy, try a ball
drilled both ways on DRY lanes (I know, I tried once, stood far
left, threw the ball RIGHT on the 1 or 2 board and guttered on the LEFT
before it got halfway down the alley!)

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: ... and Dave thought HE had it bad...
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:20:48 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley) writes:
> ... or subtitled: "The Series from Hell" ...
> 
> Second week of NFL League in Centreville, we are bowling a vacant team,
> so we all have to come within 50 pins of average ... not so easy as it
> might seem, as two of our bowlers are establishing an average ...

Is this an addition that your league made?  I thought the ABC rules used
the 40 pins number???

> 
> Second game, open with a strike ... AND NEVER MARKED FOR THE THE REST OF
> THE GAME  :-(  ...  I even brought out the dry-lane ball that I had been
> using successfully on the 3-6-10 side spares (I am a rightie) for a change,
> as the Turbo was all over the place ... uh, NO !!   This didn't do well, so
> back to the Turbo.  Spent the rest of the game trying to make adjustments and
> wound up with a PITHY 92 ... ICK !!  :-(   :-(    But ... the team won that
> game   :-)

ummmm.... ummmm..... I'd have had 2 beers!  and a shot! (and I don't drink 
much!)

Dave
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