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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  Amiga now kicks PC butt - no way.
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:31:21 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <exuptr.409.0@exu.ericsson.se> by exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor):

> >> Anyway, if I want good sound, I'll buy multimedia.  Can't beat that, can you?
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> >    feature or not. And you don't need to buy an extra device to get
> >    good sound (for MODs or other personal entertainment purposes) on

> And you don't on a PC, either.  Unless you include STEREO in your definition
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> of good.  Frankly, I don't really care if it's a standard feature or not.  

    Not only DO you need to get an extra device, you said so yourself
    in a previous article. This crap about not caring that it's not a
    standard feature is irrelevant. The bulk of PCs I see purchased
    not only don't have a sound card, but their graphics are just
    normal VGA. There is far more likelihood of the companies that buy
    these PCs getting fancy modems for them than there is of those
    companies buying a graphics or sound card for them.

    And I imagine that such companies make up the bulk of PC sales.

> He was just making an incorrect statement.  And Amiga cannot beat multimedia 
> out of the box.  I don't think so.  At least not by my standards of what 
> good audio is.  

    Chopping your definitions to suit your view is a pretty blind way
    to do things, and I think significantly disqualifies your opinion.

>  "Igornance and prejudice, confident their ways are best..."
>  "Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand..."

    Sheesh. Frequently people (ab)use quotes that they themselves fit
    perfectly.

>   - Patrick Taylor, Ericsson Network Systems
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From: c23mkb@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Mahesh Bagade)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Pros & Cons of switching to SCSI for a PC.
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:44:52 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

Hi Netters!

I am planning to purchase a pc and hence I am involved in some research
as to what I should be looking for.

Can gurus on the net give me an idea of what SCSI is and it's pros & Cons?
All I know is that, it is an interface which will provide multiple expansion
slots.

Are there any standards? 
It is widely supported? 
Are there any compatibility problems? 
Will I face any problems in future?

Thanks for all the responses in advance....

Mahesh
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:33347 comp.sys.intel:2718 comp.sys.mac.hardware:24262
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: RISC defined! Was Re: 486SLC chip.... what is it?
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:56:59 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <Uf_tvJW00WB7Q8SnFj@andrew.cmu.edu> fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat) writes:
>russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:
>> Then how did Sun move from the Sun 3 to the Sparc?  The Sparc doesn't
>> run 680X0 stuff at all.
>
>Through the wonders of unix, wherein the same code was for the most
>part still usable, with substantial speed improvement.
Same SOURCE.  You can't run Sun 3 binaries on a Sparc, though.

>It's fairly
>hard to do that with hardware dependent operating systems like dos,
>windows, os/2 (currently), macos, etc.

The OS has to be re-written, of course, but the application code
changes need not be too great in the case of the Mac OS.
Even the low-memory globals could be handled on a POWER chip, with
some cost.  Direct access to the hardware would fail, of course, but
that's already a no-no and fails on many macs (unless you special-case
them all)

(I should have put a :-) on the 4004/8008 stuff....)
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:33444 comp.periphs.scsi:6113
From: ekrieger@quasar.hacktic.nl (Eric Krieger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Re: Need phone # for MAXTOR
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:37:09 GMT+1
Distribution: world
Organization: Not an Organization
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <Bz9rBu.29G@unx.sas.com> sasbge@ant.unx.sas.com
 (Gantt Edmiston) writes:
> 
> I need the phone number for MAXTOR, the disk drive folks.

This is the information i've at the moment:

   MAXTOR COLORADO Corp.                   WATTS LINE: (800)356-5333
   1861 Lefthand Circle                      PAY LINE: (303)651-6000
   Longmont   CO  80501-6798                 FAX LINE: (303)678-2165
                                             BBS LINE: (303)678-2222
   MAXTOR COLORADO
 =========================================================================
   MAXTOR Corporation                      WATTS LINE:
   211 River Oaks Parkway                    PAY LINE: (408)432-1700
   San Jose   CA  95134                      FAX LINE: (408)433-0457
                                             BBS LINE: (303)678-2222
   MAXTOR                                    (408)432-4517,(408)435-7884

Good luck!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: jdz1@Ra.MsState.Edu (John D. Zitterkopf)
Subject: Setting up XT DRIVES...
Summary: TYPE 1: 10 MEG FH DRive
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 18:40:27 GMT

HI,
	I have been upgradeing an XT to AT machine {Not an easy task}. I took 
the original 10 MEG Tandon drive and put it with the AT contoller and set the
whole machine up. We later upgraded to a 32MEG drive and As part of payment I
get the 10MEG HD. Now I will be putting this back into a XT machine and will 
need to know the correct steps to reformat and make the drive work with the 
XT. It will not be as easy to do as an AT since there is no CMOS or AT 
Diagonistics. I SURE that all the equipment that I will be using is IBM 
original and will work. The HD card is a Full lenght card with the following
Identifaction numbers:
		IBM 1816101
		IBM5004403
		Made in the USA on MAY 16, '84.

How would I format the drive? My guess would be the ROM VIA an address like
c800:????. Anyone know? What interleave would be the best? 


Any help would be appreciated! 
Thanks...
John

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster)
Subject: Re: Power loss scrambles HD
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:53:09 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Dec19.214245.953@blurt.oswego.edu> mulvey@blurt.oswego.edu (Allen Mulvey, SUNY, Oswego, NY) writes:
>> Question: how can a power-down, with the machine sitting idle with no files
>> open for writing in DOS, cause a scrambled SCSI drive?
>
>Did he have a write delayed ram cache? Maybe some of the latest changes 
>were still in ram when the power went down.

OF COURSE NOT!!!
Several lines up from where you chopped my original posting, I clearly
said that write cacheing was turned off per my advice.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: 486 Concerns
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:46:56 GMT

In <Dec.8.16.06.23.1992.11427@pilot.njin.net> hardgrov@pilot.njin.net (Roy Hardgrove) writes:


>Hello:

>Ihave a question that has been burning my mind about the 486 chip.  Is
>the 486SX pin compatible with the 486DX?  

No.

>If it is, then is it possible to put a 486SX in the CPU socket on 
>a 486DX motherboard?  

No.

>My
>understanding is that the SX chip is simply a DX that has had the
>co-processor disabled by INTEL.  Someone please enlighten me.

Intel rearranged the pinout on the SX part.  You cannot just pull it
out and plug in a DX unless your motherboard is specifically designed
to allow you to do that (and the CPU will come on a little daughter
board to map the pins, or there will be jumpers to remap the pins).

>Additionally, what is the scoop on the new CYRIX 486 chip?  Is there a
>pin compatible 486 replacement for the 386DX chip.  If anyone has an
>FTP address for CYRIX or AMD, please let me know.

Yes, except it powers up with the cache (only 1k disabled).  You'll
either have to run something after you power on the enable the cache
(there's a little DOS program that does this) or get a BIOS that
supports enabling it for you.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (J. D. McDonald)
Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro Build 51 drivers
Organization: UIUC SCS
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:58:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.040922.27339@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen) writes:

>According to G2K Glenn on AOL, the Build 50 drivers didn't pass their
>(Gateway) testing and ATI is currently working on Build 51.

I should hope that a good tester would find the bugs in these things.

I've found two:

The color of color 7 (ordinary non-bright white text) in DOS windows
with 256 color modes, "allow changing palette", is is the same as
color 8, dark gray. This makes text hard to read and renders colors
7 and 8 the same color.

When you switch to DOS full screen and use a 256 color mode on the card,
then switch back to DOS windowed, the up and down arrow icons
are solid black .. the cursor is too at first, but it eventually recovers.

Doug McDonald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: lapena@athena.cs.uga.edu (Chito Lapena)
Subject: Help with memory-mapped cards for the pc
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:30:20 GMT


I have made a card with 64k of static RAM on-board that I access
memory-mapped. This has been a kind of on-the fly type of thing
since we don't have the documentation for everything. The card is
read only from the PC-bus and write only from an external bus. 
The external bus data and addresses are put in Z whenever the
address from the PC bus qualifies and are re-enabled when the
PC finishes its read cycle.

We are getting a lot of noise and I would like advice on a couple
of things:

The noise looks like this. I am plotting 64,000 bytes of the space on
a graded B&W colormap from 0 to 255 on a 320 X 200 screen using block
moves repetitively.

At some points, the noise is
perfectly still and at some points it blinks. I can write over *most*
of the stuff that keeps still but some of it refuses to go away.
The stuff that blinks stays in the same place- at a pattern that
seems to couple with the address bus somehow.


1. The card decodes addresses and spits out data at a little less than
   200 ns- is this fast enough for a device on the bus? I noticed
   that the memories on my video card are 100 ns Dynamic RAMS. The
   memories I use are 100 ns static RAMS.

2. What are some of the most common and most effective ways of decoupling
   noise? I have put 0.1uF tantalum caps on just about all of my chips.
   Although they seemed to stabilize the noise a little- it's still
   there. 

3. Could it be the way that we make our PCB's? We just etch the stuff
   on copper with photo-resist and acid and coat it with gold. 
   I am using 25mil spacing on my tracks. At the speed this stuff is
   going- do we need anything else to avoid decoupling? These might be
   innocent questions but like I said, we don't have all of the documentation
   we need.


   any help would be appreciated


   thanks

   -chito
   lapena@athena.cs.uga.edu

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From: rcw@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Robert White)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Internal 14.4K Modems
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:28:39 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Organization: The WhiteStar Corporation

In article <1992Dec16.010530.4395@exucom.com> miket@exucom.com (Michael Teper) writes:
>Ray Mitchell (mitch@nosc.mil) wrote:
>: 
>: I'm in the process of buying a 14.4K internal modem and need some guidance.
>: mitch@nosc.mil
>
>I just bought a 14.4K Fax/Modem from Midwest Micro - Infotel 144I
>internal and I am satisfied with it to a point. The point is: either


I also have the Infotel 1441 modem from Midwest Micro, and the same
configuration as Michael, but I haven't experienced the problems 
Michael has.  One thing though - it appears that you should configure it
as either COM1 or COM2 for the fax thingy to work right.  Took me quite
a while to get the fax to work properly.  Probably a function of different
timing on different PCs.

I heartily recommend the Infotel.





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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: koming@planetearth.ecn.purdue.edu (Ko-Ming Wang)
Subject: Quicken 4 Windows (1.0.1) FOR SALE !!!!!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:08:18 GMT

Unopened Quicken 4 windows (ver 1.0.1) for sale.

Asking $12 plus shipping.

Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:33027 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:15760 comp.sys.amiga.misc:18487
From: aq722@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Gregor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Beef Sandwich - Re: Amiga now kicks PC butt - no way.
Date: 14 Dec 1992 01:13:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aq722@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Gregor)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood) says:

>OS/2 is a real OS.  While there are still some bugs, it is by far better than
>anything on top of DOS/windows or DOS/Desqview.   At least running about 6 to 8
>different things at the same time wont crash the system or cause share violation
>like another "ooperation system"

OS/2 is something of a real operating system, yes, but it does crash. 
In fact, under some situations it crashes a lot.  Case in point: a
friend of mine ran a BBS system for years off his 1985 vintage Ami 1000
with a big but slow SCSI HD.  Then he bought a clone (Compaq?) with OS/2
and tried to run a BBS.  Every couple of days the machine would crash
and in the process corrupt his filesystem beyond repair, necessitating a
complete restore from backup.  That, in addition to all the other
problems he had getting serial communication to work under OS/2, caused
him to go back to running the BBS on his Amiga 1000.  Now he uses the
OS/2 machine to play with (hobby) and the Amiga to run the BBS, since it
proved to be far more reliable.

Not that this is always the case, but my point is that you can't make
blanket statements about OS/2 being more reliable than AmigaDos - in
many ways it isn't as reliable or as mature - it is far newer, and
hasn't been developed as much as AmigaDos.  I feel it might have a lot
of potential in a couple of years, but its too soon to tell.  I've also
played with NT, which is rather non-impressive right now, but also has
potential. 

As for running 6 or 8 programs causing the machine to crash, my Amiga is
currently running 52 programs, right now.  That's how it boots, given
the stuff I run at startup.  It is very reliable.  Often times I get
quite a few programs not only running, but all wanting CPU cycles at
once, and not only does it not crash, the user interface runs so fast
that you can't even tell there are number-crunching programs running
back there.  AmigaDos is the best OS I've ever seen at that - bar none. 
Not Unix, not OS/2, and certainly not Windows or System 7 come close. 
All the others (and I've used them all) bog down horribly once they get
slightly busy.  (Actually some types of Unix do OK, but others not so
well - it depends on their scheduling algorithm and whether they're
hitting swap). 

John

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: THOGER@bg1.hbg.hydro.no (Terje Thoegersen)
Subject: Re: Experience with NICE chipset and MR BIOS?
Organization: Norsk Hydro, Hydro Data
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 03:23:27 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <Bz4ELy.9F3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mem28103@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:

> Hello, I was looking at a 486SX/33 motherboard with the NICE chipset and
> MR BIOS.  I was wondering is anyone has had experience with this chipset
> and/or MR BIOS.  What I am really concerned about is reliability and
> compatibility.  The motherboard is manufactured in the USA and sold by
> Aberdeen (Computer Shopper 12/92, p.998-999).
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Marc Munoz
> mem28103@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Hi!

I've got a 386/40 with an OPTI chipset and the MR BIOS. The BIOS is very
nice, boot-up is extremely fast, lots of neat options about the behaviour
of your system can be set in the BIOS setup-pages etc.

I used to have some problems with the keyboard dying on me, especially when
running Windows. I've since changed keyboards and swithched to OS/2, which
seems to have cured the problems. I don't know if this is related to the
BIOS or not.

I'd give it a hearty recommendation if I were sure the BIOS was not responsible
for my keyboard problems. 

 -Terje
 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu (Pierre VonKaenel)
Subject: Re: I'm sick of off-white computers!
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY, 12866
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:33:33 GMT


Actually, Ford Motor Company was the first to use black (and only
black) on their product.  I'm surprised they haven't sued Next over
the look and feel (both black and hard).  But that was then and this
is now.... off white happens to be the Paris designers' choice, and
you know how they sway public opinion.  For those who own old gray
computers, hold on to them.... that color is bound to come back in
style.

-- 
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Math & CS Dept.		| Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 | (518)584-5000 Ext 2391

"Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes." Oscar Wilde
From: chowproj@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (CHOW project)
Subject: HELP!! Need config on ATI modem.
Followup-To: chowproj@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:47:37 GMT

Hello to all,

If anyone out there own a ATI 2400 B modem, please help me.  I have
2400 internal modem, but no manual.  Could some kind soul let me know
of the switch setting on this modem.  This modem is 2400 etc with
V2 2.00 BIOS.  Part Number 19000.  

Thank you in advance.
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: EISA vs. ISA -VESA Local Bus MotherboardsDIR
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:02:51 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <TOMW.92Dec15213807@orac.asd.sgi.com> tomw@orac.asd.sgi.com (Tom Weinstein) writes:

>My suggestion:  If you are using software that needs the advantages EISA
>provides, get an EISA.  Otherwise, get a VL-bus, and save the $500.

Of course, the difference is NOT $500.


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From: olson@mydual.uucp (Kirtland H. Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Help, Joystick values and 1280x1024
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:35:27 GMT
Reply-To: olson%mydual.uucp@alliant.com
Organization: The Harvard Group, 01451-0667

In article <724450360.15021@minster.york.ac.uk> wgt-a@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>Help! Does anyone know what value variable-resistors
>are required for the joysick port on an IBM PC?

100K

>And, as an aside, can anyone give a good reason why
>they used open ended resistors, necessitating (SP?)
>particular value resistors, when a potentiometer
>setup (as in the good ol' BBC) would have
>been MUCH more sensible?

Because it's the timing resistor of a circuit whose pulse width can be
counted.  

Here are the details of the joystick connection.

You can attach two joysticks to the controller.  Each joystick follows
this wiring diagram:

                   +------------------ 1,9 +5VDC
                   |                   
                   +---/\/\/\-- 0-100K
                   |     ^
                   |     |    X-coord
                   |     +------------ 3,11 Timer
                   |                   
                   +---/\/\/\-- 0-100K
                           ^
                           |  Y-coord
                           +---------- 6,13 Timer

                   +------------------ 2,10 One-Shots
                 | o  #1 Button
                 | o
                   +------------------ 4,12 GND

                   +------------------ 7,14 One-Shots
                 | o  #2 Button
                 | o
                   +------------------ 4,12 GND

Pins 1-7 Are for Joystick A, pins 9-14 are for joystick B.  You can also
use paddles, having only one 0-100K pot and one button per controller. 
The data show up in the same place but are named differently.  Here's a
chart of the the byte at 201H:

Bit     |  7  |  6  |  5  |  4  |  3  |  2  |  1  |  0  |
Joystick|B-#2 |B-#1 |A-#2 |A-#1 | B-Y | B-X | A-Y | A-X |
Paddle  |  D  |  C  |  B  |  A  |  D  |  C  |  B  |  A  |
Pin     | 14  | 10  |  7  |  2  | 13  | 11  |  6  |  3  |
Device  |<-------Buttons------->|<------Resistors------>|




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware