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From: cdeschu@spiff.sfc.lehigh.edu (Chris Deschu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: gno & stuff...
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:27:18 GMT
Organization: Microelectronics Lab, Lehigh University, Bethlehem, Pa.

James,
	I'm glad to hear you are working on such a chat program, will it 
behave like talk does, with a split screen, etc? Did I say echo? I guess
I did, but we do use cat, in fact, I have set up the following aliases:

alias chat "echo Please use chata, chatb or chatco."
alias chata "cat >.ttya"
alias chatb "cat >.ttyb"
alias chatco "cat >.ttyco"

While they work well by themselves, if both people were to activate it,
like I type chata, and whoever is on the modem types chatco, it messes up.
Why can't both of them run concurently?

	I tried messing around with some terminals, but the closest I've
been able to come is a Lear-Seigler Int. ADM-3a, with a few missing chips :).
Unfortunately, the company appears to have dissapeared, so for the moment,
I'm using a //e running proterm as my terminal. (Jawaid, here would be a 
great place for that multi-window GSI nda, just pop up a window with another
shell and run telcom... or maybe not, that writes direct to the screen, right?)

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From: rlathan@amiganet.chi.il.us (Rob Lathan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: gno bbses
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:22:58 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Hi, I was wondering what is going to be in the way of bbs programs for GNO?  if
there is a program what are its features?

Rob
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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: gno & stuff...
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:11:05 GMT

cdeschu@spiff.sfc.lehigh.edu (Chris Deschu) writes:

>If 1.1 is going to have shell scripting, how much more would it take to
>have real makefiles work? (Jawaid, you never posted makemake, did you?)

  Urp.  Send me email about it and I'll remember.

>	I've been trying to port some utilites, and while the C code seems
>to compile ok, it gets all kinds of link errors, like these:

  "Unresolved reference label" means the linker couldn't find that
symbol anywhere in the object files being linkes.  "Duplicate segment Label"
means that the linker found two segments with the same name.
  When porting, this usually occurs when a header file declares variables
by declaring them, rather than by using extern. For example:

/* badstyle.h */
int errno;

-------- This should be -----------
extern int errno;
-----

  Now, some of these things are functions, and that will not cause this
sort of behavior.  The only thing that can be happening is that a 
function 'main', 'usage', etc. is being declared in more than one source
file, or perhaps you're accidentally linking in the same source file
twice.

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From: jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: Pipes in 1.1
Summary: Faster pipes!! Yay!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:08:11 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
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In article <Bw1ypr.18v@csn.org> bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
>I just rewrote the pipe mechanism from scratch, and the results are 
>astounding.  Below are times to execute the following command: 
>
>cat sys.c | cat > .null
>
>  sys.c is roughly 28000 bytes.
>
>GNO 1.0: 61 seconds
>GNO 1.1:  2 seconds
>

Eeek.  Is 1.1 that good, or 1.0 that bad? ;) 

I'd like to see a test with "man", since that's the most common application
I can think of that uses a lot of pipes...

>
>  I get my ribbon for the evening :-) 
>(DANGER: EGO ZONE EXCEEDING NORMAL SPACETIME LIMITS! EVACUATE AT ONCE!)
>

Sounds like a good idea ^_^.  Hm, I'd better move quick ;)

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From: jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: FTP problems.... Many thanks
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:50:36 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
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In article <92Oct16.024839.18290@acs.ucalgary.ca> hockley@enel.ucalgary.ca 
(Dallas Hockley) writes:

>Now for a different topic, is anyone so inclined to port gemacs?  :-)

[Please excuse me while I take the time to hurl mightily]

Ah, there...better.

Now, you have to be kidding, right?  I assume you mean "gnu emacs" when
you say gemacs...if so, do you know that the source is over 4 megs 
COMPRESSED??  Eech.  Makes me shudder to think about it.

In any event, if you thought Elvis was bad, Gnu Emacs would slow a GS
down to a crawl, if anyone were ever able to port it.  I think that anyone
trying to port such a beast is really wasting their time.

I'd much rather see someone try to port gnu sed or gnu awk myself :-)

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From: sledbett@nyx.cs.du.edu (Shawn Ledbetter)
Subject: Re: Postscript
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 00:07:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.040623.13079@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> you write:
>This might not be the place for this, but is there a shell command that
>will strip Postscript from a file?

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear about this, but I have a few files that I
d/l'd from a local BBS, and after the fact I found out they were PS
files.  I looked at them, and it was all text, but mostly PS commands.
I would think that there would be a program that could in effect 'strip'
the PS commands from the rest of the text.
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From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Subject: Re: FTP site and SHK files
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:19:55 GMT

In article <92Oct15.070948.11720@acs.ucalgary.ca> hockley@enel.ucalgary.ca (Dallas Hockley) writes:
>G'day all.  I'm having some rather inexplicable (for me) problems on
>the pindarus ftp site.  Any help is appreciated.
>
>Using binary mode ftp, and grabbing for example the Manv2.1.SHK file to
>my local box, and then using binary kermit transfer from there to my GS, 
>I invariably get damaged archives.  I am curious as to what is causing this
>and how it may be circumvented.  Thanks in advance....

	Here's what I've found with Kermit.  PT3 Send Kermit doesn't work
with binary transfers... I don't know if receiving works though, since
I always use Zmodem

	To do Kermit correct, get Kermit 3.87.

The unix side...

kermit
set file type binary
set parity mark
send Manv2.1.SHK

the local side...

press <esc> then c, then type

set filetype binary
set parity mark
receive

I believe Apple Kermit spells filetype "filetype", and the rest of the
implmentations spell it "file type"... so if one doesn't work, try the
other..

>Dallas



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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Greetings!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:07:02 GMT

In article <Bw0sK2.MwF@csn.org> bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
>Hi there, and welcome to comp.sys.apple2.gno, your Internet source for
>information on GNO/ME for the Apple IIgs.
>
>This newsgroup was founded to discuss topics related to GNO, Unix, and
>the Apple IIgs, and to promote the use of the Apple II in home, school
>and business through education.
>
>Ah ha! you think, they had a secret agenda.. kill the newsgroup! Close
>but no banana.  The promotion of the Apple II will be done simply by
>helping to spread the word about this fine machine.
>
>And now, I leave you to your discussions. :-)

I certainly look forward to this group. I'd like to know whether or not the
following are (or will be, and when) implemented in GNO:
 
(1)uucp
(2)a good comm program with kermit, x,y,zmodem.
(3)awk
(4)dialin/out servicing
(5)troff, eqn and/or TeX
(6) vi
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:20:36 EDT
From: <SAB121@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Finally!

Well, I'm glad to see that it's finally here!

...Sal
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From: cmcurtin@bluemoon.rn.com (Matthew Curtin)
Subject: Re: What is GNO??? 
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:20:12 EDT

blasjw@ntmtv.UUCP (Joseph Blas) writes:

> 
> Could someone please tell me what GNO is????

GNO is a UNIX-like environment for the Apple IIGS.

It allows gives us the following:
        o true preemptive multitasking
        o a new shell (with wildcards, job control features, etc.)
        o calls to support interprocess communication, process control,
          and other tools necessary for multitasking
        o the first completely consistent method for accessing serial and
          console I/O. (This makes things like hanging terminals off of
          your GS, each doing something different; multiline BBSes, 
          UUCP and SLIP connections that will run "in the background,"
          allowing you to play games or whatever while connecting to other
          systems, etc.)
        o lots of free utilities that bring the power of UNIX systems to
          the GS. (Programming libraries have been added to expedite 
          porting UNIX or MS-DOS (ahem...) utlities to the GS.

The above is just a few of the things mentioned in the Introduction
section of the GNO Kernel Reference.

Just for the record, I highly recommend this product to anyone interested 
in turning thier GS into the machine it can be. (see my .sig) :-)

> Joseph W. Blas    
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From: julichjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Joseph H Julicher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: gno & stuff...
Date: 16 Oct 1992 18:28:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: julichjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Joseph H Julicher)
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I have used modem, adm3a's and null modems to connect different things to  
the GNO.  My problem is that when you run a shell remotely the term  
variable is the same for all gsh shells.  so I can't have a adm term  
hanging off one port, the gs doing its thing and both be able to run  
termcaps things simultattionsly.  this is bad I assume that it is fixed.

hopefully
joe
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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: gno & stuff...
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:08:14 GMT

irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy) writes:

>Well, I can tell you some general stuff about *NIX and how it's implemented.
>Note that I am by no means a *NIX expert and Jawaid will gleefully correct any
>errors :>

 But of course! :-)

>Unix is indeed layered...however, it works something like this:


>    Windowing System: OpenLook, mwm, twm, tvtwm
>    GUI Manager:      X-Windows
>    Shell:            csh,tcsh
>    Kernal:           vmunix (this file IS SunOS, Ultrix, etc on most machines)

>The kernal handles all the low-level I/O and multitasking and stuff.  The
>kernal on most systems is implemented in assembly for its specific target
>machine.

  No, they're almost always in C.  Linux is evidently mostly in assembly, and
GNO has a fair amount, but SVR4 and BSD are almost entirely in C.

>The GUI Manager handles low-level graphics I/O operations and the other
>things needed to implement a GUI.  X11 is by far the standard for this.

  Unfortunately. X11 is a slow PIG!

>To get more specific, GNO includes a kernal and a shell, both written in
>65816 assembly code.  The kernal does most of the common kernalish stuff
>expected on a *NIX implementation, but does not have any filesystem drivers
>or anything; this is left up to GS/OS.  The shell is basically a tcsh clone
>without scripting; it interacts with the kernal in much the same way the shell
>does on a standard *NIX system.  

  GNO's kernel is about half C. 

>        Ian Schmidt: irsman@iastate.edu or aol.com, BITNET: twbv4@isuvax       
>=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=Real Change in '92: Vote Ross Perot!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

  :-)  The evidence spreads, I see.

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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: List of Utilities for GNO?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:28:17 GMT

rhill@oread.cc.ukans.edu (Robert Hill) writes:

>	Could a list of utilities that have been ported to or written for 
>GNO be compiled and posted?   It might also be nice to list the places to 
>get them (if they aren't on pindarus).

  This isn't a complete list, but it's a start. This is a list of the
GNO util executables on pindarus.cs.uiuc.edu.  I removed source code
archives from the list, on the basis that it's redundant information
for this list.

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-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOuser  GNO          258 May 22 21:12 Chmod0.70.Readme
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOadmin GNO        10542 Jul 21 01:07 Chmod0.70.SHK
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOuser  GNO        21105 Jul 31 14:33 Freeze1.3.SHK
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOuser  GNO        37532 Sep  4 15:56 Freeze2.1.SHK
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOadmin GNO        86421 Jul 21 01:07 Less.SHK
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOadmin GNO        32468 Jul 21 01:08 Manv2.1.SHK
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOadmin GNO        19975 Jul 21 01:08 Morev1.4.SHK
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOadmin GNO        81171 Jul 21 01:08 Nroff1.1p44.SHK
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOadmin GNO        97920 Aug 11 22:07 Stevie.BXY
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOadmin GNO        16166 Jul 21 01:08 Whereisv1.0.SHK
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOuser  GNO        11721 Jul 31 14:33 cmp.SHK
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOadmin GNO        21898 Aug 11 22:08 cron.shk
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOadmin GNO        15870 Oct  5 19:20 dhrystone.shk
-rw-rw-rw-   1 500      root         452 Jun 22 03:14 direct256.shk
-rw-rw-rw-   1 500      root       35377 Jul  7 19:41 lgnobsd.shk
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOuser  GNO        37606 Feb 27  1992 lpr.bsq
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOuser  GNO        20369 Jul 18 04:29 patchcc.bsc
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOadmin GNO        62636 Aug 11 22:21 termcapLib.shk
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOadmin GNO        13811 Aug 11 22:21 termcapMan.SHK

gno-l.Archives:
total 320
-rw-rw-rw-   1 GNOadmin GNO       149014 Sep  4 21:26 gnolarc.1.zip
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From: digdug@iastate.edu (Doug V Tran)
Subject: Re: gno & stuff...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:17:40 GMT

In an earlier post, did someone say there was no shell-programming in GNO?

What about a GUI interface?

later,
doug
From: kenfair@ruf.rice.edu (Kenneth Jason Fair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: Greetings!
Keywords: TeX
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:59:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.Bw87Ap.3Hn
Organization: Rice University

I was looking at porting TeX over to the IIGS last year.  It's a
somewhat complex business, since the files that comprise the main
TeX distribution are written in WEB and have to be changed to C
using the web2c program.  Unfortunately, those files take up *quite*
a sizable amount of disk space and must be moderately altered to
work on the IIGS.  Since I didn't know any C last year (but I do now!),
I couldn't make all of the modifications necessary to compile 
initex and virtex.  I'm willing to take another look at it this year
if and when I have some free time.  I will need to get a copy of
GNO/ME first, though.  (Still running ORCA.)

Anyone know where I could find the TeX distribution already in C?
The port from WEB was fairly complex itself and I probably got it 
wrong anyway.

Mail me if you have any ideas on this.  I would personally love to
have TeX running on the IIGS.
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From: "Volker Herrmann" <CD46@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Greetings!
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:42:21 GMT

Hi Philip!

vi is already included (at least as part of the German distribution
disk).
I don't know where to get it.

Volker - apple2gs@tchibm2.chemie.uni-karlsruhe.de
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From: cmcurtin@bluemoon.rn.com (Matthew Curtin)
Subject: re: FAQ
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 15:10:58 EDT

fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin) writes:

> Do we have someone to maintain a FAQ list?  I think the capabilities of GNO
> v1.0 & v1.1 should definetly be in the FAQ.

I am maintaining the FAQ list.

Thank you for your suggestions. I plan on including GNO's features in the 
FAQ, with a note of features "to come..."

Wow... our own newsgroup... I'm still blown away... :-)
> frank m. lin
> fmlin@terapin.com


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: Greetings!
Keywords: TeX
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:14:00 GMT

kenfair@ruf.rice.edu (Kenneth Jason Fair) writes:

>Anyone know where I could find the TeX distribution already in C?
>The port from WEB was fairly complex itself and I probably got it 
>wrong anyway.

>Mail me if you have any ideas on this.  I would personally love to
>have TeX running on the IIGS.

  You're not the only one!  I don't know if TeX already exists in C
somewhere, but we might be able to do the web2c on a Unix or DOS
box running Unix, then get you back the C sources.

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From: digdug@iastate.edu (Doug V Tran)
Subject: Re: gno & stuff...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:08:06 GMT

In <fmlin.1wiu@terapin.com> fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin) writes:
> 
>Seems like unix is multi-layered:
> 
>Top     GUI -                   OSF/Motif, Open Look, NeXTstep... etc.
>        Windowing system -      WorkSpace Xwindows, eXodus, 4Sight... etc.
>        unix command shell -    GNO?, C, Bourne, Korn... etc.
>        unix OS -               SunOS, IRIX, BSD, SVRx... etc.
>bottom  kernal -                Mach, SVRx... etc.

To my understanding,It is(should have pay more attention in class. 
There is the kernal, file system, then the shell.
GUI is just an application that runs on the shell.

> 
>How can unix be efficient?  Plus all of the stuff above the kernal seems to be
>written in C.  Some systems also supports Display PostScript, where would that
>fit in?
> 
Yes, most of the kernal now is written in C.  The question of the chicken
and egg comes to mine.   Displaying PostScript is just an application running
on the shell.

>I am new to the unix world, my understanding of it comes from reading posts,
>magazines and my own assumptions.  I am still very confused most of the times.
>So please correct me if I am wrong. :)
> 
>Has anyone ported SPECmark ( 1.0 ) to GNO/ORCA? ;-)  IIgs probably will get
>about 0.25 <grin>


System V is AT&T's commerical version of Unix.  Then there is BSD v4.xxx.
This is the academic version mainly because it's free.  These are the 2 major
version.  Here at ISU, we run Ultrix, which is DEC version of Unix. 
They are basically the same.

QUESTION: Will GNO have a GUI?  Will it be able to run graphical program something like X11?

thanks,
r,
doug