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From: naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Axl Rose Kil(rest of crap subject deleted)
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:56:38 GMT
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre

In article <1992Aug12.202935.1@pomona.claremont.edu>, cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu writes:
> In article <1992Aug13.005528.16795@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, rshvern@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Rob Shvern) writes:
> > I am awaiting the day school starts up again in the fall so this 
> > discussion can once again turn to heavy metal,  not hard rock and
> 	I dunno if school starting up is gonna help us out here - it's a
>problem with the fans.  Of any genre, I think metal is blessed with the
>dumbest, most ignorant and attitude-based fans...a lot of these cross over into
>the hard rock you're talking about.  We do have the hard rock sub and the heavy
>metal sub, which should take care of the hard rockers and those who insist what
>is not metal is - I say we make alt.thrash the genre-metal, underground-metal
>sub.  Sure, it's not all thrash (I agreeing with the guy who took the
>historical argument for thrash - it's fast metallic punk, like DRI or COC or
>MDC or even Bad Brains) but it'll keep us away from most of the attitude and
>self-aggrandizing image-monger traffic until they start thinking "thrash" is
>way cooler than "heavy metal."

Isn't posting this so that all the so-called "dumbest, most ignorant fans" can
see where you would like to have the discussions?
Won't they just follow you?
(Don't see why anyone would...)
Note _NO_ smileys

> > 
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > God is Love         |  "Mourn not the dead,  the living suffer"
> > Love is Blind       |  "There is no other God,  Satan killed him"
> > Ray Charles is God  |  "Feel the blood spill from your bowels"
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------  
> > rob
> 
> Just some fairly useless thoughts...y'know?

Yes, I noticed...

One thing I do agree with is that all the crap about GNR stopped. Not because
I like them but because it's so bloody boring!
Also, as Phillip Wang says, at least there is some kind of discussion about
the "hard rock" (like Def Leppard etc). If you want to have a discussion about
death/grind music why not post something about it that other people will
_want to read_!

Until then, stop complaining about what other people like.
Just because you don't like something, it doesn't mean it shouldn't be posted!

(Flame if you like, I don't give a fuck)

Phil

-- 
Kryten (When Cat says why don't we raise the defensive shields?) "A superlative
suggestion sir,with only two drawbacks: one,we don't have any defensive shields
and two,we don't have any defensive shields.I know that,technically,that's only
one drawback,but it was such a big one I thought I'd mention it twice".
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
From: aa361@yfn.ysu.edu (Tom Puncekar)
Subject: Re: Grindcrusher
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:06:19 GMT


I bought Grindcrusher a few days ago, and I was kinda dissapointed...
The recording was kinda shitty, some of the tracks distorted because of
the low level it was recorded on....

-- 
Climbing? Climbing is something you shouldn't like. It is something one must
be compelled to do, forced to do from ones inner self. The 11 deaths on 
Denali should only further enrage the hearts and souls of climbers, and
make thier desire to touch Heaven burn, like the flames of Hell. - Outside
From: jpsdiry@daimi.aau.dk (J|rn Poulsen)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Name this band
Keywords: What band, title etc.
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:45:41 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

What band, title and records:

    "Flee now in terror, as darkness descends"

-- 
Joern Poulsen, jpsdiry@daimi.aau.dk | - But if you cheat us...
    Computer Science Department     | - We'll *TEAR* *YOUR* *SOUL* *APART* !
     Institute of Mathematics       |
    Aarhus University, Denmark      |                            /Hellraiser
From: bruss@cs.ucsd.edu (Brian Russ)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Grindcore (was Re: BOLT THROWER!)
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:27:12 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Aug22.052337.20987@news.ysu.edu> aa361@yfn.ysu.edu (Tom Puncekar) writes:
>
>And whats some GOOD death industrial bands out there besides Godflesh and
>Pitchshifter? I checked out Scorns _Vae Solis_ LP and it kicks ass, but
>not in that brutal agressive type of way, like the death like tracks of
>Pslam 69<Ministry>, and Godflesh _Street Cleaner_..Any ideas? Any one?
>Anywhere??

	Well, Treponem Pal is vaguely in this vein.  Their second one,
"Aggravation" is worth getting.  There's also Zeni Geva, a Japanese
band -- not bad, though underproduced.  I too am looking for more
Godflesh/Pitchshifter style bands -- tell us more about Scorn?

	Oh -- Justin's previous band, Head Of David, is not too dissimilar
to Godflesh.  I've now got three of their albums -- "CD" is ok, but
"Dustbowl" is quite good.  Do NOT get the new one "Seedstate" as they
went in a different direction.

					Brian
-- 
Brian Russ
CSE Department, UC San Diego
..!sdcsvax!bruss	bruss@beowulf.ucsd.edu
From: eftv03@castle.ed.ac.uk (L R Watt)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Re: Grindcrusher
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:01:22 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University, UK

In article <9208180937.AA12309@nettlerash.berkeley.edu> SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET (Sebastian Welton) writes:
>
>
>>I saw an LP by about 20 different thrash, death, and industrial bands
>>called Grind Crusher..It runs for about $7 bucks...Is it worth gettin'??
>
>It's an Earache sampler but there's only about 12 bands on it. Get the
>cassette as it's got extra tracks by Sore Throat and Heresy.
>
    The confusion here is between "Grindcrusher", the sampler
released in 1989, and "Grindcrusher: The Ultimate Earache",
the compilation released in 1991.  The first of these had 10
tracks (12 on cassette), the second had 24.
From: lavonius@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Ville Lavonius)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Re: Name this band
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:33:29 GMT
Organization: Vidal Sassoon's Mosh&Go

In article <1992Aug18.134541.8702@daimi.aau.dk> jpsdiry@daimi.aau.dk (J|rn Poulsen) writes:

   What band, title and records:

       "Flee now in terror, as darkness descends"

_Might_ be Darkness Descends from the Darkness Descends album by Dark Angel.
<I don't have the album, but the lyrics match beautifully>
   -- 
   Joern Poulsen, jpsdiry@daimi.aau.dk | - But if you cheat us...
--
Ville Lavonius	        University of Helsinki, Dept. of Computer Science
lavonius@cc.helsinki.fi : I'm the son of a gun and the gun of a son
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
From: jkonrath@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jon Konrath)
Subject: any bands want to gig in the midwest?
Organization: No organization. No life. Just emacs.
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:44:00 GMT


Hey all, I had a band (Malicious Onslaught) offer to come out here to
Indiana to play a gig if other bands were willing to come out here too.
So, I'm looking to get together a few shows in the area.  There are 
never any cool death shows in the area, and I figure if nobody else will
push to book bands out here, I might as well do it myself.

Details are sketchy, I am not sure about a venue yet, I'm trying to find a 
bar or club that will easily fit 400 or so in the Bloomington or Indianapolis
area, if I can't I will start looking at west ohio, too.  But I want to find
bands who are willing to drive out here and play for the exposure, 
accomidations, and a marginal 3 or 4 way cut of sales.  Plus full merchandising
profits.  

If it sounds interesting, drop a line via email, voice, fax or paper:

jon konrath
414 S. Mitchell suite 13
bloomington, IN 47401  USA
voice: 812 333 2254 fax: 812 331 7404

And if youre a band and I dont have your demo yet for my mag, MAIL IT!

-jon

OBDeath:  Check out the new Edge of Sanity release, _Unorthodox_.  all I
can say is WOW!  Pretty technical, really catchy, pretty brutal, and great
production.  This is a killer release....
--
Jon Konrath, University Computing  | Jkonrath@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Ultrix) 
Xref: sparky alt.thrash:1338 alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy:2603
From: lavonius@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Ville Lavonius)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: WHEN DOES THE *REAL* METAL DISCUSSION BEGIN?
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:32:55 GMT
Organization: Vidal Sassoon's Mosh&Go

In article <1992Aug13.005528.16795@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rshvern@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Rob Shvern) writes:

   I am awaiting the day school starts up again in the fall so this 
   discussion can once again turn to heavy metal,  not hard rock and
   more of this Def Leotard and other weak music.  

Ahh, another candidate for alt.groupies. Why the hell do you need these two
hatemongers to have a meaningful discussion here, lessee YOU offer some nice
insights into metal that the community can discuss. 

<ObDisclaimer: No, I don't like DL any more than you, and think it's better 
off in *.hard but anyone _wishing_ for the most awful abrasive discussionist
known to man is either perverse or suicidal>

   Better yet,  see if someone with power can get an alt.metal.death
   conference created so we can abandon this one and let the spandex
   lovers talk about Axl rose's screachy voice some more.  

Ahem, it's a short trip to alt.config.... Tell us when you've made your
point there.
--
   rob
--
Ville Lavonius	        University of Helsinki, Dept. of Computer Science
lavonius@cc.helsinki.fi : Hey Joe, who's this Jimmy Hendricks guy anyway ?
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Deathrow
From: zool175@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:07:35 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

I recently heard what I consider is a pretty cool song on the radio - the
DJ said it was from an album called "Deception Ignored" by Deathrow but didn't
name the song.  I'm thinking about getting this album on cd but I want to know
what people think of it.

The song I heard had some interesting time changes and classical sort of licks.

Speak to me.

Mark.

Newsgroups: alt.thrash
From: aa361@yfn.ysu.edu (Tom Puncekar)
Subject: Grind Crusher
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:22:20 GMT


I saw an LP by about 20 different thrash, death, and industrial bands
called Grind Crusher..It runs for about $7 bucks...Is it worth gettin'??
Its got groups like Carcass, Napalm Death, GodFlesh, Hell Bastard, and a
whole shit load of more bands I can't really remember now...Any get this or
hear it? And is it a kickin' tape or just little parts outta different songs??

Any ideas are welcomed..especially those sick little twisted ones that always
seem to pop up on here.... :)

...Deadpool...
-- 
Climbing? Climbing is something you shouldn't like. It is something one must
be compelled to do, forced to do from ones inner self. The 11 deaths on 
Denali should only further enrage the hearts and souls of climbers, and
make thier desire to touch Heaven burn, like the flames of Hell. - Outside
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
From: jkonrath@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jon Konrath)
Subject: Edge of Sanity  (was Re: any bands want to gig in the midwest?)
Organization: No organization. No life. Just emacs.
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 17:13:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.124714.11212@kth.se> d90-two@dront.nada.kth.se (Thomas Wolmer) writes:

   In article <JKONRATH.92Aug21114400@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> jkonrath@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jon Konrath) writes:

   >OBDeath:  Check out the new Edge of Sanity release, _Unorthodox_.  all I
   >can say is WOW!  Pretty technical, really catchy, pretty brutal, and great
   >production.  This is a killer release....

   Yes... but I wish they hadn't put so many tracks on the CD... some
   of them sound too much like each other.

too true...also for some reason the gaps between songs mess up about
half of the cd players I've played the cd in.  Like when I used my
housemate's portable, when it goes from track one to track two, there
shouldnt be any gap at all, but his cd player stops for about 5 seconds.
The last time I saw this was the american (but not the japanese) pressing
of Siuge Siuge Sputnik's _Flaunt It_ cd, and it had lots of weird soundbites
between tracks...

   One thing I've wondered about: Do Black Mark Records have any
   distribution in the US?

yes and no.  They have distribution through Cargo, but in the states Cargo
isnt very saturated.  They service a lot of radio stations and some zines, 
but not as many stores carry their stuff.   I still don't have a personal 
copy of _Unorthodox_ and I have a feeling I'm going to have to wait a while
until I can either con someone to give the 'zine a copy or import my own.

OBDeath: I finally got an interview with Pete Steele from Type O Negative.
I don't want to ruin it in its entirety, so I'll hold off a bit here....
lets just say it was very unique....

-j

--
Jon Konrath, University Computing  | Jkonrath@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Ultrix) 
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
From: prock@manowar.micro.umn.edu (Andrew Prock)
Subject: Satanic Death Metal
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
	Speaking of Deicide, that song on the new one, Trifixion, has some real
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:38:35 GMT
From: jkonrath@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jon Konrath)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Re: WHEN DOES THE *REAL* METAL DISCUSSION BEGIN?
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:24:29 GMT
	<JKONRATH.92Aug13090023@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
	<gdoherty.713740650@unix1.tcd.ie>
Organization: No organization. No life. Just emacs.


I would kindof agree that thrash has slowly died.  There are still a few groups
and there are some crossover groups (i.e. is Dark Angel death or thrash?)
but Death is the big thing.  

I dont see a re-emergance of thrash anytime soon....if i had to place bets
on how this little niche of the woods will pan out in the next few years,
id say half of the bands will be doing Black Metal..real hard, dark satanic
metal, and the other half will be going industrial-death crossover.
the industrial-death crossover thing is big with groups like ministry 
paving the way for the commercial group and black metal has a tendancy to
be a bit 'catchier' than death, and it sticks in peoples minds a bit better.

deja vu.  didnt i post this same explanation a month ago? :)

OBmetal: if you havent sent $6 to Desultory for their new demo, DO IT.
this demo is easily better recorded than most ALBUMS i know of, and this
band simply kicks ass....Entombed meets Dismember.
If you dont have the address, its probably because youre not on my mailing
list, and you need to mail me to get it :)

-j
--
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From: u8706558@cs.uow.edu.au (Sean Volke)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Intermosh The Return
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:58:47 GMT
Organization: The Shell

u911469@postoffice.utas.edu.au (The DOK) writes:
>In article <1992Aug6.035149.14179@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell) writes:
>> 
>> ** INTERMOSH ** 

>> now out, in case you didn't know, is the new Mortification album, "Scrolls
>> of the Megilloth"... pure 100% death metal! Morbid Angel fans beware, God
>> is after your domain now!  Mortification is currently touring Australia
>> with new underground Christian death band Discarnated, who is replacing
>> Deracination due to band member changes (note: they replaced Paramaecium
>> due to school.. confused yet?)..
>           I must say Mortification's new album is BRILLIANT!!!!!! That free
>time in the studios really helped the sound! I remember hearing Jayson Sherlock
>and Steve Rowe talking about the new album (and playing previews of it, this was
>about 8 or 9 weeks ago) on a radio station near Melbourne (Radio Raiders on 3RPP
>to be exact). And they were really pleased with the way it turned out.
>           I also have to say, if you haven't heard Paramaecium, Deracination, or
>Discarnated, where have you been? Look out U.S.A. the Aussie Christian Metal
>Invasion (A.C.M.I.) has begun. Lightforce started, Rosanna's Raiders tried,
>Mortification is continuing, other bands are coming!!!!

>>  get
>> Mortification, "Scrolls of the Megilloth"
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> 
This album is hot, I've heard one song which was great. And friend has
listened to the whole album and loved it. Definitely tops their previous
effort. One of the heaviest bands I've heard.
-- 
    ___        |MOSH       'Wake up mislead children of wrath           
   /   \  THE  |FOR        Escape the consequence of the fire'          
  | O  | SNAIL |THE                                 Mortification     //
__\___/_____\/_|MASTER     u8706558@cs.uow.edu.au                   \X/ 
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
From: kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Metal and classical
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:49:09 GMT

In article <BsxDpG.Fnn@world.std.com> azog@world.std.com (Azog Thoth) writes:
>Ive been wondering about this for some time now, and figured that I
>may as well ask the net...
>
>I find that many people who are into very heavy metal, and also into
>(some degree) classical music (such as Mozart), and wanted to get
>your opinion, and also offer a possible explaination, at least for
>my part...
>
[etc..]
>So is there any sense to what I am saying?

There's not much to hate about classical music.  There is obvious talent, it's
musically pleasing, and the people making it aren't a bunch of no-talents
yelling "What up Kris?!?!?" for a million bucks. 

It could also be one of those anti-social things.  Classical music and heavy
metal are not generally socially acceptable.  Heavy metal to shock the
parents and classical to shock peers.

I find that most people that listen to heavy metal will chose classical or
heavy rap (Ice-T, Public Enemy, etc..) as second choice.  Those that listen
to Motley Crue, Def Leppard, and Bon Jovi are more likely to listen to Top
40 stations.  There is only 1 person I know that likes both heavy metal
and country (my fiance).

-Rick

>-- 
>Billy D'augustine
>azog@world.std.com
>
>"Obliteration of mankind. Under a pale grey sky. We shall arise!"
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
From: jkonrath@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jon Konrath)
Subject: Re: WHEN DOES THE *REAL* METAL DISCUSSION BEGIN?
Organization: No organization. No life. Just emacs.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:00:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.050257.9099@news.ysu.edu> aa361@yfn.ysu.edu (Tom Puncekar) writes:

   You got my vote on an Alt.Metal.Death! That would be cool. All those other
   glam fags could stick with alt.metal.metallica or alt.rock-n-roll or what
   ever the Hell they call it. Death is here to stay, so lets make it alittle
   exciting....

of course ya got my vote too...ive been bitching about this for close to a 
year.  and if you didnt know that, youre probably not on my death metal
mailing list.  so mail me to get on it!

   And hey, can anyone tell me anything about Deicides Legion LP? Or is it an
   EP? I heard it was real damn short...like 30 minutes...Is it as fuckin'
   great as the self titled?? That lp really kicks IMHO...


Its not an EP, it has 8 songs (I dont have the running time right here,
i could check though)  in my opinion, this is _THE_ death metal album,
it is a must-have. its a little more refined than deicide, but its still
very brutal, better sound to it.  you have to get it...

   Yeah..Also, do any of you guys call Flotsam and Jetson THRASH?! I got
   ripped BIG TIME. I bought F&J's _No Place For Disgrace_ the other day...
   I thought it would be a cool cd to dive to, boy was *I* wrong. Sounds like
   that fag Queensryche singer meets Metallica... IMHO, THRASH should
   be Sepultura meets Deicide...Any other opinions?

yeah, f&j is kindof out in the progressive-y kindof-thrash, kindof-hard rock
world.  They can't be compared to Deicide or Sepultura, that's for sure.

   And where in HELL can I find the Gods Of Grind CD?! I called a local record
   store and they said they can ORDER if for me from the UK for $40!! Is it
   THAT good?! I have NO prob shellin' out $40 for good brutal death, but is
   it THAT damn good?? Any help is GREATLY appreacted...

I got my copy for ~$25 + shipping from an alt.thrash reader in sweden.  Any
european readers here want to make a buck or two and still easily beat a
$40 american price?

it is a good cd, im listening to it right now.  four EP's from carcass, 
entombed, confessor, and cathedral.  14 tracks of awesome death metal..
you could hunt down all four ep's but then youre probably talking more
than $40 even....

anyone get the new Nocturnus yet?

-jon

--
Jon Konrath, University Computing  | Jkonrath@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Ultrix)
From: 9135477m@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: WARMASTER SPEAKS: Morbid Angel Tonite !!
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:19:05 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia


In about 2 hours I am of to see MORBID ANGEL in Adelaide.

If I live thru it I will post again tommorow tell all what I thought of
it so until tommorow ......

MOSH ON....
--


*****************************************************************************
*       Q: What do you get if you put a baby in a blender?                  *
*       A: An erection!                                           WARMASTER *
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From: lavonius@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Ville Lavonius)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Re: Need info .....
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:31:24 GMT
Organization: Vidal Sassoon's Mosh&Go

In article <18306.2a90d1e8@levels.unisa.edu.au> 8918877t@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:


   I know this is the wrong place to post, but ....

Wrong ? Anthrax's at least as thrashy as Danzig...

   Does anyone know who the new lead for Anthrax is?

John Bush, ex-Armored Saint.

   Is it true they may be going thrash or industrial?

More likely they'll turn to rap. At least Joey Belladonna talked about it
after leaving the band (the rest of the band wanted to do it, and they got a
fat contract).

		   --==THE TERRORIST==--
		   8918877t@unisa.edu.au
			<TEAM OS/2>
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lavonius@cc.helsinki.fi : I'm the son of a gun and the gun of a son
Newsgroups: alt.thrash