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From: dwiseman@spsd630a.erim.org (Dave Wiseman)
Subject: Re: The Clean Games ???
In-reply-to: sue@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU's message of 28 Jul 92 04:14:34 GMT
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:48:30

In article <2820@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> sue@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (Sue McPherson) writes:

>Concern has arisen in Australia about the drug testing procedures. Apparently
>after one of the men's swimming finals (100m breaststroke I think) the Gold and
>Silver medal winners wandered off to press conferences while the Australian
>who won the Bronze medal was called up for drug tests.

>So, aren't ALL medal winners supposed to get tested?

>Was the 100m breaststroke a solitary mistake or has the drug testing system
>broken down already?

>Sue McPherson
>sue@ariel.unimelb.edu.au

I read in the paper that in Track and Field the top four finishers are 
automatically tested for drugs, but in swimming, two of the top four 
finishers are *randomly* picked to be tested.  The article also said that
any swimmer breaking a world record is automatically tested.

--
David Wiseman              dwiseman@erim.org
Environmental Research Institute of Michigan

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From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Where is he from ?
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 03:08:51 GMT

In article <92212.134559TXK9@psuvm.psu.edu> <TXK9@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>The refree was from croatia!

		N O T !
From: ttsai@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Shame on Wendy Lian Williams
Date: 30 Jul 1992 19:29:28 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu


>In article <1992Jul30.225442.24730@lclark.edu> rorem@lclark.edu (Eric Rorem) writes:
>>In article <790@tdat.teradata.COM> David.Lai@ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM (David Lai) writes:
>>>During yesterday's NBC coverage of men's springboard diving, Tang Liangde
>>>of China did not do as well as he usually does on one dive.  Wendy Lian
>>>Williams, the NBC commentator, said something like the following (not the
>>>exact quote):
>>>  I am surprised that he didn't do well under pressure.  Among all
>>>  Chinese divers, he is the most westernized.  He smiles, waves...
>>>What kind of culture stereotype is this?
I think this entire issue is comical.  As a Taiwanese-born American citizen
living with American-born American roommates, I get the chance to discuss the
topic of race quite often.  I remember a few months ago, we were discussing an
article in "US News & World Report" that mentioned that describing an Asian as
"smiling" was racially offensive.  We all had a good laugh out of that idea.
There are aspects of race and culture that are much more significant, and IMHO
this discussion is relatively insignificant.

Timothy Tsai
ttsai@uiuc.edu
From: roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: SWIMFINAL: Result-W's 100m Butterfly
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:18:02 GMT
Reply-To: roat@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

In article 26247@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com, stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb) writes:
>In article 1@cc.curtin.edu.au, rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:
>>SWIMMING - Women's 100m Butterfly FINAL
>>=======================================
>> 
>>World Record		57.93
>>Olympic Record		59.00
>>
>> 
>>Gold	HONG, Qian			CHN	  58.62		New OR
>>Silver	AHMANN-LEIGHTON, Christine	USA	  58.74
>>Bronze	PLEWINSKI, Catherine		FRA	  59.01
>>------
>>4	XIAOHONG, Wang			CHN	?
>>5	O'NEILL, Susan			AUS	  59.69
>>6	SANDERS, Summer			USA
>>7	VAN ALMSICK, Franziska		GER	?
>>8	SHITO, Rie			JPN	?
>> 
>
>Another case of potential success unfufilled. There had been much said 
>of Summer Sanders in the weeks leading up to this fortnight. 
>
>Well, an American won a medal, but it's not the one NBC expected. And
>the PRC continues to do its thing in the water. 
>
>--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com) 


I was absolutely appalled to read the SF Examiner's report on this final.  Everything
was about how Summer Sanders failed to get a medal.  Not once did the article
mention that Christine Ahmann-Leighton captured the silver medal in a brilliant
performance.  

And as usual, the NBC asshole asked the obligatory "are you disappointed
you didn't get the gold?" question.  What the hell is wrong with these people?
The Examiner faux pas really got me pissed and then I saw the race during the 
coverage and really got irked.

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Chevron Research and Technology Company		(510) 242-4647 FAX
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From: palou@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Ignasi Palou-Rivera)
Subject: Re: NBC's Phone Number
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:41:44
In-reply-to: rgd3729@tamsun.tamu.edu's message of 21 Jul 92 01:34:46 GMT

This is the number I have:

NBC Sports	(212) 664-2721

I have never used, but somebody post it in rec.sport.soccer some time ago
with the rest of the phone numbers of US TV networks.

Ignasi.
--
"There's nothing wrong with her that a $100 won't fix."
 
 Tom Waits
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From: etlanar@slartibartfast.ericsson.se (Alan Arthur)
Subject: Re: --------Please Read----------
Organization: Ericsson Cellular Division
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:36:56 GMT

In article <l7h0g7INNbp2@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu> ttsai@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
>An alternate idea might be for those who are posting results to add "RESULTS: "
>to their subject titles, since these posts seem to be in the minority.
>
>Timothy Tsai
>ttsai@uiuc.edu


No, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm only interested in the results,
and I'd rather 'kill' all the waffle.

Is there anyway of selecting a thread of articles you only want to read instead
of the reverse?

Alan

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From: gletty@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Gletty)
Subject: Re: TripleCast Update
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:44:09 GMT

nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:

>Equality?????
>When you hear Mr.Jordan boast that the Olympics will be a vacation,you
>know any hint of real competition is a myth. Sure,those who can stomach
>one rout ater another will see basketball gold return to the USA. But it
>didn't have to come this way. There was some exciting about seeing the
>best of American collegians pursuing their dream. So they didn't always
>get it. So what? Did we have to become the world's commercial bullies to
>win the gold?

Actually the USA was one of a very small number of countries (2 or 3) to
vote AGAINST allowing the NBA players into the olympics. The rest of the
world WANTS the NBA in the olympics. Originally our college players did
to the world what the NBA will do this year. The rest of the world got     
better. Now they want to play against the BEST so they can see what they
need to do to get better. You can't improve if you don't play against 
good opponents.
From: roberto@oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Roberto Ricca)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: VOLLEYBALL: Results Men, Pool A
Date: 27 Jul 92 07:57:50 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <6791@charon.cwi.nl> wouter@cwi.nl (Wouter Mettrop) writes:
>MEN POOL A

>Matches 26-07:

>Italy         - France : 1-3  (15-9; 5-15; 8-15; 2-15)
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 
>Italy           1  2   3-1
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^
...
>France          1  1   1-3
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^

Who really won? Italy or France?

Please, clarify.

Thanks a lot.

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# Roberto Ricca                 Email:      roberto@oas.olivetti.com   #
#----------------------------------------------------------------------#
#           1992:   GO GIANTS  (magic number:   79)                    #
#                   Anybody but the Dodgers                            #
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From: rachele@nysa.cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: Re: Barkley is a jerk...
Keywords: Barkley
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:55:15 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT

And here is yet another beauteous comment by Barkley, which I pulled
off of clari.sports.olympic:

After missing a free throw, Barkley tried to run down a loose ball
which went out of bounds and was awarded to Croatia. As the crowd
cheered the call, Barkley yelled ``shut up!'' at them.

What a fine display of sportsmanship!  

Rachele

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From: udcrusd@meaddata.com (Sylvia D'Cruz)
Subject: Re: SHOOTING: Results 7/26
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:06:04 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul27.175544.4210@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>, hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
|> Eric West writes:
|> >SUNDAY'S RESULTS
|> >
|> >Women's Air Rifle Final
|> >
|> >GOLD	Yeo Kab-Soon		KOR	498.2
|> >SILVER	Vessela Letcheva	BUL	495.3
|> >BRONZE	Aranka Binder (Independent)	495.1
|>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >Aranka Binder
|> >is the first "Individual Olympic Athlete" ever to win a medal.
|> 
|> Wow!  I didn't know this was possible/allowed.  I thought the Olympics
|> were about nationals vs. nationals.  Where is she FROM anyway?
|> 
|> -- 
|> James Clyde     LSU '91   |                   -- Frisco Darlin

The Associated Press, July 26, 1992 had the following:-
Sports Section

   The Olympic banner flew Sunday in place of Yugoslavia's flag at the first
medal ceremony of the Barcelona Games after a shooter from the sanctions-hit
nation placed third in the women's air rifle.

   Bronze medalist  Aranka Binder,  part of a squad officially competing here
only as individuals, showed no emotion during the ceremony and refused to attend
a news conference afterward.

-- 
Sylvia D. D'Cruz                                
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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Summary: Day 1, 26-07-92
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 13:44:04 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Day 1 of the Olympic games brought the usual mix of surprises and expected
results. In basketball, the heavily favoured United States 'Dream Team'
won handily over the outgunned Angolan squad. In Women's Gymnastics, the
Unified Team took an first round lead over the US and Romanians, with the US
squad finishing only .5 points behind the Unified Team, despite a poor 
performance by the current world champion Kim Zmeskal on the balance beam.
There was plenty of action in the Pool as Nelson Diebel of the US won the
first gold medal for the US in these games.
(ed note- there is a slight US bias to these summaries, but most of the only
news I get is on US athletes. Please, if you've got important news on
an athlete from your country, feel free to post it!)

There were medals given out in 9 events, In cycling, Germany took the Gold
in the Mens road race while Kathyrn Watt of Australia shocked the field by
making and then holding onto a breakaway in the Womens individual road race.
2 medals in Shooting went to Konstantine Loukachik of the Unified Team in
free pistol and Yeo Kab-Soon of South Korea in the Womens air rifle. Ivan
Ivanov from Bulgaria took the Gold in 52kg Weightlifting. In Swimming, there
were 4 medal given out. The surprise story being Nelson Diebel's inspired
swim to the Gold in the Men's 100 metre breast. Evgueni Sakovyi of the Unified
Team took home Gold in the Men's 200 freestyle. On the Womens side, Zhuang
Yong of China outswam American Jenny Thompson in the 100 metre freestyle and
Kristina Egerszegi of Hungary won the 400 Individual Medley.

r.
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:34:13 -0400 
From: Victor Lin <vl11+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: dream team or nightmare team?
	<fortony.712447915@murphy>

fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu wrote:

>It looks to me like a bunch of people are taking Barkley's bad
>move as a license to accuse the United States of being a bunch
>of insane brutal police state sodomites.

No.  We are criticizing Barkley's personal behavior.  This is not
a generalization that you mentioned above.
 
>Barkley elbows a guy in the chest.  According to the rules of the
>game, he gets penalized.  The penalty occurs.  The game goes on.
>If you think that was bad, watch a Pistons-Knicks game sometime.

My opinion:

Athletes should be protected.  Strict punishments, therefore,
should be enforced when an athlete intentionally attempts to
injure another one.

Events in martial arts have rules to protect the athletes.
(eg: Punches below the waist are not allowed in boxing, etc)

Consider this scenario.  A basketball team not in medal
contention decides to start a brawl during a game against the
dream/nightmare team.  Obviously, this team may be ejected,
but the damage done to the dream/nightmare team may easily
outweigh it.  

All I'm saying is that the punishment should have been more
severe.

the team may be ejected, 



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School of Computer Science
Carnegie Mellon University     TEL: (412)681-3139
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
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From: narsimha@null.ics.Hawaii.Edu (Narsimha Polkampally)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Cricket in the Olympics
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:27:00 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii

In article <1992Jul29.093824.22413@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>|> (stuff about baseball and cricket deleted)
>|> 
>|> He he! You should have seen a recent article in Houston Chronicle giving a
>|> map of all the countries which play baseball.Almost every country except those
>|> in Central Africa and two countries in South America are supposed to play 
>|> baseball.Imagine baseball being played in countries like Bhutan,Bangladesh.
>|> The whole of China,India, SriLanka are included as places where baseball is
>|> played.In my entire stay in India( 2 states and long visits to 6 other states)
>|> the only places where I have seen baseball being played are the schools for
>|> the handicapped(schools for the deaf and dumb- Please note this is not an 
>|> insult to them.The other places where it could have been played are certain
>|> select clubs).But by no means do even 1/6 of the countries represented on the
>|> map play the game.Actually I think more people play cricket in America than
>|> the number who play baseball in south asia.(not Far-East or south east asia)
>
>Tell me how long one would have to spend in America before you saw somebody
>compete in the Shot Put. 

	Well, for me, it took only a few days.  I saw some university 
students practicing. And, have you never watched NCAA athletics
competitions?

> I've been here 18 years and never seen it. 

	That means that you have been watching with blinkers on and maybe its
time that you took them off :-) Seriously, I find it hard to believe that you
made this statement in earnest.

>Does that mean that Americans don't participate in the sport? A sport 
>need not be a national pasttime for a country to play it.

	You seem to have missed the point. I can echo the original posters 
arguments. India and many other countries _do not_ play yaaawn, er, baseball
at a national level - in fact, I have lived  in over half the states
in India, and only on a couple of occations have I seen softball being 
played. In fact, IMHO, most Indians (pop ~900 mil) don't even know of baseball.
On the other hand, the Indian subcontinent(Bangladesh, India, Pakistan and 
Sri Lanka) is cricket crazy, something you will realize if you go there. 
Rest assured well over three-fourths of the nation would have watched
the Cricket world cup. Yes, things do come to a standstill at times.

	So please, next time you wish to hit the 'F' key, think twice.

Cheers,
-P
		East Sterlingshire for Div 1 (someday)
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From: bbanerje@lark.utah.edu (Biswajit Banerjee)
Subject: Re: NEWS 07/31/92  14:39 CST.
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 20:19:47 GMT

In article <Bs9qtB.5L4@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> rsharma@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Rajesh K. Sharma) writes:
> 
>           TRACK AND FIELD
>            MEN'S SHOT PUT
>    Gold -- Mike Stulce, U.S.
>    Silver -- James Doehring, U.S.
>    Bronze -- Vyacheslav Lykho, Unified
>Team

  What was the distance thrown in each of these cases ?

  BB



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From: mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu (Moo-Town Snacker)
Subject: Re: T&F
Reply-To: mc21@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 06:19:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul13.185631.13112@math.ucla.edu> reider@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Marc Reider) writes:
>  I wonder how much money it would take to put together the dream 400
>race after the Olympics with Watts, Lewis, Everett, Reynolds and
>Johnson ?  It would take a lot to get the Olympic champ to take on
>the other runners.
This along with drugs/steroids is what I really _hate_ about the
current state of world-class T&F. It seems like everybody is so
cautious about their W/L record. A most admirable champion would take
on all-comers. I remember reading something about the American
sprinters from '68/Mexico City. One guy commented on how silly the current
big-names appear to him for ducking meets with strong
competition. He said when he ran they ran for honor. Ok, so there
wasn't much else to run for (being a bit less $ in T&F in those days),
but still it just seems so contrived sometimes (esp. those dopey races
(>1500) where there walk until the last lap and then run a 100m dash
to decide who wins. Sorry for the tirade, but it just bugs me after a while.




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From: etchuck@helix.nih.gov (Emil Thomas Chuck)
Subject: Corrections to Re: RESULTS: Basketball (Day 2... incomplete)
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:16:54 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 04:00:00 GMT

Corrections to preliminary notes:

1) Puerto Rico won 100-69 over China, not -68.

2) Drazen Petrovic was held to TWO points in the second half.

3) Johnson has been diagnosed with a sprained right knee (tendon), but he
has been walking after the game. He left with 11:31 left in the first half,
for those who want to "count down" on TV footage. (Cruel.)

4) Barkley gets ANOTHER technical foul for cursing at someone in the crowd.
Sorry I didn't pick that up. The radio coverage I got didn't mention this
very much unfortunately.
--
Emil Thomas Chuck 			etchuck@helix.nih.gov
BioSystems 26 (1992) 177-183. (3d author)
"Spending the taxpayers' money as I want." 
DISCLAIMER: You don't think I'd speak for the government, do you? 
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From: rachele@nysa.cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: GYMNASTICS: observations on the men's competition
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:09:04 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT

Here are just some random thoughts:

1. I wish I knew more about the men so that I could post a preview of
them.  Maybe if NBC would show more of it and if television had better
coverage of men's gymnastics in general, I wouldn't be having this
problem!

2. Vitaly Scherbo is the One To Beat and favored to win it all.
However, the other two EUN gymnasts could well win.  The 91 World
Champion, Grigori Misutin, now from the EUN, qualified in third place
(as he did in 91, I think?), and could perhaps pull off the win.

3. The Chinese are fun to watch!  A couple of them throw triple back
somersaults in their floor routines, and I think there in also a
Unified gymnast and a German who do the same.

4. The Americans are not in medal contention.  They could have one or
maybe two in the top ten though, if they hit.  Scott Keswick was 10th
at last year's Worlds.

5. Eight of the twelve Chinese gymnasts had the name "Li".  One of the
girls is even named "Li Li", and then there is also "Lu Li".

6. Floor and vault domination: EUN had five of the top seven scores on
men's floor ex, and five of the top six on men's vault (not to mention
the top four on parallel bars).  

7. Of the top 15 scorers on parallel bars, 14 of them were from either
EUN, CHN, or JPN.  (Andreas Wecker of GER was 7th). This means that
only 6 of those 14 can compete (only two per country in event
finals)... and this also means that with those six and Wecker, Jair
Lynch (USA) in 16th grabbed the 8th spot to finals.

8. Scherbo will be in all event finals except for high bar.  He
qualified in first for all of them except vault (2nd).  Andreas Wecker
of GER also qualified for five (not vault).

9. It's a catch-22... men's gymnastics will not improve in the US
until it becomes more popular-- ie, it gets more air time.  However,
men's gymnastics will not be televised more until it improves.  Which
came first, the chicken or the egg?

10. To continue with number 9, men's gymnastics has the potential to
be really popular.  (For any of you girls out there who thinks Chris
Waller of the US and Texaco is really cute, he's practically engaged.)
The guy's on the men's team have great personalities.  A lot of times
the "women" are puppets of their coaches and parents... not so with
the men.
From: thorn@diku.dk (Peter Tjornsted)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Countries of the 1st Olympics
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:56:43 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:
>>    I think Denmark has participated in all Olympic games.
>With Denmark winning 7 medals in Paris 1900 and 5 in Athens 1906, it seems
>strange that they didn't win a medal at St.Louis 1904.  More likely, they
>didn't participate.

Denmark didn't participate in St. Louis 1904 because there was more than a
month travelling time from Denmark to USA by boat.
Denmark has won medals in every other Olympic Games except 1904!!

Peter alias thorn@freja.diku.dk
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