From: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson's bigoted remarks at the convention...
Keywords: hate
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:33:47 GMT
Reply-To: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
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Organization: Handmade Designs, Salem, OR, USA

In article <1992Nov25.024005.7142@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>
kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
|In article <1146@bug.UUCP> stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) writes:
|>I'll agree with you on Duke, but why to you think Buchanan and Limbaugh
|>are hate-mongers?  You never explained that.
|
||Why do you say that about Buchanan?  Why do you lump him with Duke?
|
|>That doesn't answer that question.  Why do you think Pat is a
|>hate-monger? What exactly was wrong with his speech at the convention? 
|>What did he say that make you think he was appealing to hate?  I am
|
|I was interested to note, while transcribing a clipping this morning for the
|fascism mailing list, that the article included a quote from Robertson's
|speech. The article, posted to this newsgroup today,
| <1992Nov24.180640.7021@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> discussed Christian Identity and
|the religious right. It was written by Ken Toole, identified as the
|President of the Montana Human Rights Network. It was not clear whether or
|not the quote was included with the original article, but I suspect it was
|not. More likely, it was included with the XEROX copy of the article because
|it demonstrated why many are concerned with the so-called "Christian
|patriots," who have become increasingly active on the political scene. The
|quote shown:
|
|+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| "It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages
| women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft,
| destroy capitalism and become lesbians."
|
| Televangelist, Pat Robertson, who spoke at the Republican convention, 
| on the proposed equal-rights amendment
|+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|
|Now - the first question is obvious: Is it an accurate quote from Mr.
|Robertson's speech?

No.  Actually, I was asking about Pat Buchanan, but what-the-heck, let's
talk about Robertson.

Robertson didn't say that at the convention.  As I understand it, the
above comes from a fund-raising letter written by someone on his staff. 
He signed the letter, but in apologizing for it, claimed he didn't read
it before it was sent out.  That in itself isn't good, but I would bet
it isn't uncommon for donation funded political organizations of all
stripes.

Moreover, I also understand the above is or refers to a quote from a
feminist leader made in 1972.  If that's true, doesn't that change
things?

You obviously don't know the context of this statement (and either do I:
I'm not a Christian, nor a follower of Pat Robertson; I haven't seen the
letter in question, nor did I hear Robertson's speech at the
convention), so why do you assume this statement is made out of bigotry
or hate?  Don't you think the context matters?

|If so, do those who support Mr. Robertson understand, even remotely,
|why such a comment might concern "middle of the road" citizens who
|would normally be quite tolerant of religious posturing, even if they
|could not agree with it?

In and of itself, no, and I don't support, or like Pat Robertson. 
While I am a conservative, I don't agree with him on many issues. 
Please explain it to me.

|The article touched on what it referred to as "soft core hatred" in
|a brief paragraph about David Duke, who has led the way in packaging hatred
|in politically acceptable terms, according to the author. (I agree with him,
|having watched a CNN piece on Duke today, but that's another story.)

No one in the official in the Republican party on the national level
sticks up for David Duke.  He is denounced every time his name comes up.
Why do you keep bringing Duke into it?

|Robertson's comment above is, to me, and perhaps some of those who you have
|been sharing this thread with, a classic example of a rabid combination of
|soft-core hatred and outright religious bigotry.

Exactly why?  I could guess, but I'd rather hear it from you.

|If I ever exercised my right to vote in Yankee elections again (I am a
|dual citizen), I most certainly would  ask serious questions of any
|candidate whose party accepted the support of David Duke, Bo Gritz, or
|Mr. Robertson.

The Republican party has done everything they can, including endorsing
the democrat who ran against him.  What more do you want?  Anyone can
call themselves a Republican (or a Democrat for that matter -- in fact,
Duke used to be a Democrat and was when he was a wizard in the KKK).

Who is Bo Gritz and what has he to do with this?

|I do not support the gay lifestyle in any way, shape or form, but I am
|tolerant of those that do. Mr. Robertson's remarks are a sad, sad example of
|religious bigotry - that they were mouthed during a Presidential convention
|is a sad comment on the state of the Republican Party, imho.

They weren't.  What has "gay lifestyle" have to do with this?
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