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From: leonardr@netcom.com (Leonard Rosenthol)
Subject: Re: Multi-Scripts in System Seven Point One
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 18:04:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <18d7gbINNld7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Jerome Chan <yjc@po.cwru.edu> writes:
>  If Apple includes worldscript in system seven point one, how does it
>intend to support the various language scripts? Do I buy them seperately
>from seven point one? Do the various language scripts come with True Type
>fonts/ ATM fonts or bitmap fonts?
>
>  Will Seven point one be distributed via normal sources (InterNet,
>Compuserv, AOL, e.t.c.) or will we have to buy them?
>
	My understanding is that System 7.1 will be available the same way
tghat all previous versions of System software were - from a dealer for the
average user (with docs!) or via electronic services (like ftp.apple.com)
for those with access.

	As far as the different language script "modules", that is a good
question.  Again, I would guess that the end user will be able to go to
their local dealer for their local language (if not already included in
the box), but that you would have to go to the country of origin for their
local language (otherwise Apple gets into these grey market problems).  I
would guess/hope that the scdripts would be available from ftp.apple.com and
possbily other electronic services.

	At this time, most of the scripts come with True Type fonts in 
addition to bitmaps (INCLUDING KANJI!).  No ATM fonts are provided since
they are not supported by the Mac OS.

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From: peter@norge.UUCP (Peter Espen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: PB100 deals - thanks everyone (& info if you want it)
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:03:43 GMT
Organization: Norge International, Albuquerque, NM

In article <21539@optima.cs.arizona.edu> jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman) writes:
>  Has it occured to anyone else that Powerbook sightings are becoming the
>Elvis sightings of the computer world?
>  If someone sees a PowerBook 100 at a Price Club in San Deigo, will a whole
>bunch of groupies all race to Cali?
>
>  I just hope that people don't start to see them in Burger Kings!  :)
>

	Well, actually, I DID see a PB100 at the Burger King here on 
Central across from the UNM campus in Albuquerque a few days ago!

	( It was mine though ...he he )

	Peter Espen

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From: dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:45:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!) - An Analogy
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc

marcus@sun.pcl.ac.uk (Marcus Harvey) writes:

> In article <ewright.714941609@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
> >In <92240.120751ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET> ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET writes:

[...]

> >for a moment. Imagine a distant, far-off land where computers are
> >more like cars than PCs.  A land where you can turn on a computer
> >and begin using it without ever opening a book.  A land called...
> >Macintosh.

  I can imagine that...  I have driven in Denver P^)

> You really ought to think up a better analogy...

(chuckle)

  Come on you guys, if the computer runs the software you want to use, at a
speed that you find acceptable, its fine.  Only a hacker cares about the 
internal specifics.  What I would like to see is a data-interchange format
that hides the origins of the data from the user.  That would be the ideal
in the networked information age.

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From: alexr@capella.EETECH.McGill.CA (Alex Rousseau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Atari Falcons $799... WHO CARES! Just try to emulate it.
Keywords: n
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:18:13 GMT
Organization: McGill University - Montreal, CANADA.

One thing our little friend here forgets to mention is that DOS stinks,
looks ugly, does not multitask and that it belongs to the 80s. Until the
PowerPC comes along, there is nothing in the world that will make me
touch those ugly big fat ...things..., unless I need Quicken. Ah!

I own a MacII, an Amiga w. 68040, and a poor little Atari ST. It's
not that I need 3 machines to do the job that you can do with just
one (I could see that one coming from prretty far), but that each
computer indeed has its fortes and the IBM none (save for Quicken).

If you look at the number of articles in PC mags addressing the issue
of system configuration, optimization and debugging, one can only
think that DOS users either limit themselves to those programs (read
"not small" - the major applications, that is) that will work on their
machines or that they spend their time configuring the bloody things.

Alex.

PS: that's INTELLIGENCE, not intelegence. dummy...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ahn@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Hyo E. Ahn)
Subject: Rodime Driver Utility
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:03:00 GMT


        Dear Netters:

   My 140 MB Rodime hard disk currently have a problem with the
   subsystem hardware.  I checked it with Rodime Driver Utility
   with "Verify Disk Media" command and it gave the following message,
   "An error has occured in verifying the media
    Type = 6, Error = 0."
   Does anyone out there know how to solve this problem?
   I have a very old Rodime Driver Utility (v 2.03) and do I need a recent
   driver?  Thank you in advance.

	
	Hyo Ahn, Los Alamos National Laboratory

	Bitnet:		AHN@LAMPF
	Internet:	AHN@DAC.LAMPF.LANL.GOV
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: IIvx IIvi Pricing- it may be lower than you thik!
From: marc@csufres.CSUFresno.EDU (Marc Matteo)
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:03:18 PDT
Organization: California State University, Fresno

So is apple going to sell us ci users a 33mhz cashe card to keep up with the
new machines? :)

Marc.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: 32-bit Quickdraw INIT?
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Sep3.185127.3974@wuecl.wustl.edu>
	<1992Sep3.215708.1708@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:56:28 GMT

temple> == temple  <temple@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> 

 temple> While installable as an INIT under system 6 (beginning with
 temple> 6.0.3?), 32-bit QuickDraw is built into system 7. The INIT is
 temple> not required if you are running system 7.

It also is unnecessary on the IIci and newer machines, as they have
32-bit QuickDraw in ROM (unless of course they're non-Color QuickDraw
machines).

This broke a number of ill-behaved programs (mostly games) when the IIci
came out, since you couldn't just drag 32-bit QD out of the System
Folder anymore ;-)
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From: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Drawing packages anyone?
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:28:42 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Reply-To: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cupid.cs.utk.edu

Hello,

I need a recommendation for a drawing package for the Mac. What is
for scientific purposes, simple black and white line drawings,
the best choice? Are there packages that can do 3D drawing?

How about their interfacability to the outside world?
Suppose I have a set of data points, can I read that in?

Thanks in advance. Post or mail replies. I will summarize if
there are sufficient replies.

Victor.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Atari Falcons $799... WHO CARES! Just try to emulate it.
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (dogbowl)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:24:27 Y
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS
Keywords: stop
Summary: Drop the topic already



Would the people who keep continuing this thread please look at the
newsgroups it's being crossposted to.

Does comp.sys.atari.st appear in it?

NO!

Basically you can argue 'till you're blue in the face, but the facts are
that people are always going to prefer one machine over another.

How about discontinuing this waste of bandwidth and discussing
something more relevant to your own machine's area?
This applies particularly to Amiga weenies who seem to love Atari bashing.
(The Atari people aren't reading this, and nobody else really cares!)



dogbowl at The Dawghaus BBS  ( +64 6 357-9245 )


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.mac.sys.hardware
From: kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu (Not A Random Name)
Subject: Re: Powerbook Windows
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 19:44:14 GMT

phrje@warwick.ac.uk (Dr D McK Paul) writes:

>I've now got my 145 powerbook and it seems that it will be very useful.
>Something about the screen is bothering me though. When I have a window open
>there is a light shadow which extends above and below the window, all the way
>to the menu bar sometimes depending on the exact position of the window. When
>the window is selected and dragged the outline is vaguely noticeable above and
>below as well. Is this a "feature" of the system for the powerbook or do I
>have a problem. I know that this is not really serious but it is annoying.

I have a powerbook 100 with the same effect.  I believe it is because of the
type of screen.  Don't worry, you get used to it.  I don't think anything is
wrong with your computer... just that type of screen seems to do that (the
PB145 has the same screen as the 100)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: jhhardy@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (J. Hardy)
Subject: Trepidations of a future mac-user
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:18:45 GMT

It seems that I am about to enter the mac world.  I'm a grad student and due
to considerations of compatibility with other people in the department I am 
planning to purchase a macintosh system.  Up to this point I have used dos
machines.

What I'm looking for are some reasons for buying a mac.  Whenever I ask 
someone "why should i buy a mac?" I get answers like "theyre so user
friendly" which I find entirely unpersuasive.  I would like to be more
comfortable with my decision than I currently am, so I'm searching for 
things that make a macintosh superior to a similarly priced 80*86 machine.

Please dont tell me that theyre more user friendly, or better designed, or
any other sort of vague generality unless you care to say a bit more about
how these things will directly impact my use of the computer.  If you have
specific reasons why I should go mac rather than ibm clone I would dearly love
to hear them.


On a more specific note:  My current thought is to try to snag one of the 
few remaining PB100s out there, and then wait until after the new releases
in january to buy a desktop machine.  I understand that mac is planning
to upgrade their mid-level computers to a 68040 architecture and depending
on my finances at that time I plan to either buy one of the new machines, or
take advantage of the plummeting prices on discontinued models.  I would then
use the PB100 for traveling, and the desktop model for most of my work.  Are
then any problems that I should anticipate if I do this?  Is the PB100 likely 
to be largely compatible with the new machines?  Or will I have to buy
entirely different programs for the new machine.  For that matter how 
compatible is the PB100 with current machines?

Finally, having not spent the last ten yrs following the world of macintosh
I am somewhat baffled by all the different models that are offered in the 
used newsgroups.  Could someone help me out with a brief overview of the
differences between the various models that have come out since the macII
was introduced.  I'm specifically interested in models that are at least
roughly as powerful as the LC.

Thanks a lot,
feel free to either post or email your replies.

jim hardy
jhhardy@silver.ucs.indiana.edu



Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm
From: ssuther@brahma.trl.OZ.AU (S. Sutherland)
Subject: Re: Mac Mail Systems: Which one to choose?
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:13:57 GMT

rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Robin, Girl Wonder) writes:

>We use Macintosh Microsoft Mail and PC Microsoft Mail and a product called
>MS Mail Connection which allows the two platforms to exchange address lists.
>We also have SMTP gateways for both platforms to allow them to send Internet
>mail.  The PC SMTP gateway is from Microsoft.  The Mac SMTP gateway is from
>StarNine.

I understood that the forthcoming release of Microsoft Mail for PC
networks (v3.0) also included a Macintosh client that worked 'directly'
with MSmail (assuming a common network platform like Novell).

Am I right or wrong?

cheers,
Scott.
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From: Rick.Zeman@p943.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Zeman)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Appleworks Translator
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:50:43 -0500

On 9/4/92@10:14:18 AM, Jeff Jungblut said regarding 'Appleworks Translator': 

  JJ> From: jeff@pro-beagle.cts.com (Jeff Jungblut)
  JJ> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
  JJ> Organization: Beagle Bros, Inc. Product Support BBS -- 619/558-6151
  JJ> 
  JJ> kls0@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Plague) writes:
  JJ> 
  > chem8w@rosie.uh.edu (Norby) writes:
  >
  > Does anyone know of a way to translate Appleworks word processing files
  > to
  > a format usable on a MacIntosh (MacWrite, Microsoft Word, etc.)?  I am
  > looking
  > for an easier way to transfer files from my //c to my roommates Mac and
  > back.
 [...]

  JJ> That's exactly what he's trying to avoid doing.  To keep the AW
  JJ> formatting
  JJ> intact, use Apple File Exchange (comes with your Mac) to copy the AW
  JJ> files
  JJ> from a ProDOS 3.5" disk to the Mac.  Under the "ProDOS to Mac" menu,
  JJ> make 
  JJ> sure "AppleWorks to Microsoft Works" is checked.  The copied file can
  JJ> then be
  JJ> opened from within Microsoft Word, complete with formatting.
  
       Whoever was asking this should do things the easy way.  Get the LC IIE
Card Installer disk and grab the Prodos Extension out of it and toss it in your
roommate's Mac.  V 2.1 is the latest and it's System 7 compatible.  Once you 
have that, you can mount/format Prodos disks right on ANY Mac's desktop.
MacWrite II has an AW XTND Translator for AppleWorks so you should be peachy.

[ps--I'd have thought that Beagle Bros. would have known of this....]


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.comm
From: dawg6844@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Walkowski)
Subject: HELP Need comm software for a Mac 128
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:28:06 GMT

My friend just picked up an old 128K for a song, and wants to just use it as a
terminal.  He has a modem, but we can't find any comm software that'll run.   
                                                                                
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Thank you.                                                      

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: justin@mik.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan)
Subject: Re: SpeedyFinder7 1.5.2 errors
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:20:20 GMT

Marcus Harvey writes
> Victor Tan is on Applelink at AUSTO116 but I am unsure how to e-mail to  
Applelink.
> 
> Marcus Harvey, Polytechnic of Central London IRS
> marcus@uk.ac.pcl.sun - JANET  marcus%sun.pcl.ac.uk@ukacrl - BITNET/EARN
> 
>                                                           ...Bubble Up!

Oops! I forgot to look for an address.. But it's simple:
userid@applelink.apple.com, so his address is AUST0116@applelink.apple.com
From: billd@gdstech.grumman.com (Bill D'Camp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: System 7 compatibility
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:29:54 GMT
Organization: GRUMMAN DATA SYSTEMS

I seem to recall someone mentioning a file which listed known
incompatibilities with System 7.  Can anyone tell me where I might FTP
this file??

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From: Eric.Choi@p5.f57.n7000.z8.ieee.org (Eric Choi)
Subject: Re: Where to get floppies cheap?
Organization: FidoNet node 8:7000/57.5 - The Associati, Grand Blanc MI
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:49:33 GMT

In a previous message I suggested MEI because so many of the user group
members
I know buy from this place. People are insistent that there is no difference
and MEI has a life time warranty, etc. Thus my suggestion.

My personal experience with MEI mirrored yours. Close to 50% of the 30 disks
I bought from MEI expired early on or did so with some pretty important data
on them. Everyone in the user group that bought from MEI don't share my
problem
though.

Now I only stay with the brand name products. I have sent a few disks back for
replacement and yes, they send replacement disks back! BTW, I did that with
VHS tapes and they replaced them also.
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From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: PowerBook 160: availability, price, etc.
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:43:45 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
> In article <1992Sep3.042454.9526@chpc.utexas.edu> boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (J
>                                                            I would hate
>    to take out a loan for a machine, and have a better machine (16 gray
>    shades, and ability to drive a color monitor easily) come out at
>    the same price 4 weeks later... 4 months, maybe, but not 4 weeks!
> 
> Get used to it, kid. I paid $5000 for a PB140 8/40 in April.

The best advice I've seen was printed in Mac User magazine.  They said don't
buy any equipment from Apple.


mathew
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From: lev@dftnic.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian S. Lev)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Ethernet Address on Quadra 900
Keywords: Ethernet
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:51:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Netters,

First: if this is the second posting of this message, I apologize; the first
merely generated a screenful of error messages, but one can never be sure...

Second: on with the show...

My previous posting about SCSI ports on a 512KE was so successful (MANY
thanks to all who replied!), I have a new question from a different person.

One of the (lucky!) folks here has a Quadra 900 with a built-in Ethernet
interface.  Since we're real careful about registering every new node on
our net, he can't get a TCP/IP address 'til we get his Ethernet address.

Normally, it's stamped on the board -- but he can't find anything that even
vaguely looks like an Ethernet address there.  He's also tried getting it
with the "GetMyAddress" program, but that also proved fruitless.

We'd really like to get this guy up on the net.  Does anyone out there know
how to find the Ethernet address of a Quadra 900?  Please?

I'd prefer answers via Email, but I'll also be checking out these newsgroups
again tomorrow.  I'd also be glad to post a digest of the answers, if any.

Thanks in advance!

-- Brian

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: jamesa@duke.colorado.edu (Jim Anderson)
Subject: Anyone dealt with Relax technology?
Originator: jamesa@duke
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:20:29 GMT
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Help:  Error -33
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:32:09 GMT

I constantly keep getting an error of type -33.  Also, my computer constantly
freezes up.  I've only been having this problem recently.  I have loaded a 
few new extensions and system apps, but I have removed them and I am still 
getting the errors.  Does anybody know what the problem is?  If so, could you
E-mail me and help me out?  Thanks
I have a Powerbook 140

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted