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From: horacio@Cadence.COM (Horacio Lara)
Subject: kick back to the keeper
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:45:05 GMT

Subject: QUESTION (kick back to the keeper)


!!!!!HI SOCCER FANS !!!!!!
Aboutt 2 or 3 weeks ago i watched a soccer match between two college
teams and i noticed that the defenders when they run out space they
will kick the ball back to the goalie and the goalie will pick the
ball with his hands then he will pass the ball to anybody that could
get the ball.This is my question:Do FIFA rules apply also to college
teams or are they out? Because i did not see the referee trying to 
stop the play and penalize the team.And they were doing it over & 
over again. thanks in advanced

**************************HAPPY NEW YEAR 1993****************************
HORACIO   horacio@cadence.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: kinsler@physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler)
Subject: Re: I've got an idea !!!
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:28:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.101539.618@ugle.unit.no>, dagn@colargol.edb.tih.no (dagn) writes:
>>    Douglas Luo (math1pu@jane.uh.edu) wrote:
>>    : In article <9301052121.AA05893@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>, SM21128@ARIZVM1.ccit.arizona.edu (Curly Howard) writes...
>>    : >Attention everyone !!!
>>    : > 
>>    : >I've got an idea !!!
>>    : > 
>>    : >There are several servers on the net (like "Mud", "IRC", "Chess" etc) where
>>    : >everyone can telnet to and talk (IN REAL TIME) with others telnetted to the
>>    : >server.
>>    : >So, if several football lovers like us telnet to one of those servers at the
>>    : >same time, we will be able to have a good real time football talk, which will
>>    : >be, I guess, much more interesting than just replying to each other's messages
>>    : >in "rec.sport.soccer". [...]
>>    The only problem being the difference in time....
>>    .....OK, no big problem really (at least not for me :-)

Well if this idea is going to get anywhere, someone better find 
a suitable site/server/whatever, and tell us how to get an account
or whatever is needed.

Maybe one of the "freenets", in the US, such as the Cleveland freenet
would be ok? It runs IRC.
-- 
+soluble fish+
"You people, you do not see the grandeur in the wind and stone and stars,
 in the blood and fire and iron - but paint only the flowers."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: andy@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Re: World Cup hosts
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:42:12 GMT

I think it is all but certain that 2002 will be given to Japan.  2006 will
go to one of the SA countries and then don't be surprised to see 2010 go
to an African nation.

Andy B


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From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: English results
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:14:11 GMT

In article <9301031603.AA04320@teg.cs.umu.se> dvlkhh@cs.umu.se writes:
>In article <1993Jan2.173514.3135@cbfsb.cb.att.com> you write:

FA Cup 3rd Round.
>>DERBY COUNTY   2  STOCKPORT COUNTY    1
>County equalized in 88th, but ended up to conceed an own goal two minutes later
>to give County an odd home win :-)

Sufferin' Catfish (pauses a moment to wipe spit off terminal screen...) Batman!
The Rams win one at home?  They actually won a third round match?  They
actually accomplished this megafeat by defeating some poor unfortunates from
a lower division?!!!   Stay tuned, don't touch that dial!  Can the "accurse'd"
DCFC progress in this edition of the FA Challenge Cup any further????

	Find out on this same Bat-channel, same Bat-time...


PS:  Archer predicted County would win this one...  We'll see who they get
in the next round before he sticks his brilliant neck out again...



-- 
Garry Archer Esq.	archer@hsi.com

For the Campaign to bring back Brian Clough and The Mud Bog to Derby County FC.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Liverpool lose again !
Organization: Wits University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 13:21:59 RSA

Former Liverpool players Saunders and Houghton proved to Souness what a
bad mistake he made by letting them go to Villa as Villa beat the so called
mighty Liverpool 2-1 in their own mother's kitchen.
 
To be fair to Souness we should give Souness a chance. He has promised
to rebuild the team into a mean fighting machine again. (giggle, giggle,
giggle). The only problem is the rate at which he is going, he may need
20 years to rebuild the side.
 
Graeme, we love you with all our hearts.
(giggle, giggle, giggle, giggle, ......).
 
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From: esp@meiko.co.uk 
Subject: Re: Predictions: Souness Sacking
Reply-To: esp@meiko.co.uk
Organization: Meiko Ltd
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:01:22 GMT


In article 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za, 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za () writes:
> I predict thet Souness will get sacked before April fool's day !
> Any odds on me being wrong ?


He'll resign, (or be made to!), hopefully!!!!!

Come on Bolton!

Up the Gas

Steve
From: cedars@mtliban.Corp.Sun.COM (Fixed Assets - Corp. Finance)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: who scored for Man.Utd
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:00:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: cedars@mtliban.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: mtliban.corp.sun.com

 Does anyone know the names of the goal scorers for
 Manchester United against Coventry?

 Please send me a direct email.

 Thanks,
 Joseph
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Monday, 4 Jan 1993 08:38:05 CET
From: <SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject:    Notts Forest V Southampton


Notts Forest   2 - 1  Southampton

Keane, Webb           Le Tissier
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: halchuk@seismo.emr.ca (Steve Halchuk)
Subject: Re: Proud to be a Man Utd fan
Reply-To: halchuk@seismo.emr.ca
Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines & Resources, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:13:39 GMT

 In article 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za, 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za 
(Mukesh Kasanjee) writes:

|>Also, United did not commit major crimes like the scum Liverpool.
|>Remember Heysel where 38 people were killed by their hoologan fans.
|>Then, the Hillsborough disaster where half the hooligan fans were so
|>pissed that it agravated that unfortunate situation even more. Take
|>Arsenal as well. They are always involved with the law; the footballing
|>law and otherwise.

Not wanting to rush to the defense of either Liverpool or Arsenal, I must
still take offense at the linking of hooligan activities to a football club.
There were so many factors involved in both of the above incidents that the
blame cannot be laid solely on the shoulders of hooligans. More importantly,
football hooligans are not really football fans, rather they succeed only in
disgracing their club/country when they decide to make their presence felt.

Stephen
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From: andy@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Re: US vs England in Boston area
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:12:01 GMT

Chris Alan Thyberg (cat+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: How does one get tickets for US Cup matches?
: 
: 	-c-
There won't be any official info for a couple of months yet.  Stay tuned
to the net and people will post when they go on sale.

Andy
From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Re: US Soccer News & Thoughts
Date: 5 Jan 1993 07:20:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Folks,

	Every once in a while someone makes a comment using language that 
incorrectly describes something. Below is an example.

----------------
was recently chosen by ONZE [one of the biggest French soccer magazines] 
-----------------

	Really now! One of the biggest ? How about one of the bigger. After 
all, there can only be one biggest. Sigh. (Pardon my ranting. I am still 
annoyed by "Paramedics help dog bite victim")

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: frank@wench.ece.jcu.edu.au (Frank Savaglio)
Subject: Only one great side these days
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, JCUNQ
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:47:40 GMT

A lot of people have been posting stuff about their team being the best 
lately. But history will look back on the '90s and there will be only one 
club that will stand out.

All the present chat about the "mighty reds" and the "Red Devils" sounds a 
bit hollow when compared to this great club.

History will judge this team to be one of, if not THE best ever. Their 
track record has been second to none; unrivaled anywhere. And yet they 
hardly rate a mention on this group (compared to some British sides).

As a die hard Spurs supporter and a black-and-white Juventino, I for one sit 
in awe at the unstoppable AC Milan of today. If you forget about the 
millions spent on this side and look at the football alone, you have to be 
impressed. They have gone for over a year UNDEFEATED. They have dominated 
the strongest (in terms of international calibre players) league in the 
world. It has been written that if this side could compete in the 
World Cup, it would be favoured to win. A look at their players roster reads 
like a who's who of modern football.

As I said, I don't support them at all and hope that Juventus will end their 
eternal winning streak. But in my opinion, AC Milan is the best side in the 
world today.

Cheers 
Frank
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Frank Savaglio                                   *
Electrical & Computer Engineering
James Cook University                       *         *
                                                   +
Townsville. Nth Qld. Australia

E-mail: frank@wench.ece.jcu.edu.au              *

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From: marco@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Subject: Re: The Great AC Milan!
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 13:05:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.125154.4567@wg.estec.nl> chris@wg.estec.esa.nl writes:
>
>They're still there. Milan have at least 5 foreign players (Gullit and Van
>Basten, plus Rijkaard, Papin and another Frenchman I think) and can only play
>3 of them.

The foreign players with Milan, other than the 3 Dutch players mentioned
above are Papin (France), Boban (Croatia), and Savicevic (Montenegro).

>Rumours (in yesterday's UK papers) were that Gullit may be going back to Ajax
>at the end of the season as part of a deal that would bring Denis Bergkamp to
>Milan.

I heard on this side of the pond that Bergkamp was quoted as saying that
he was going to go to either Barcelona or Juventus. I suppose that we'll
be peppered with more rumours on this deal until September...

Marco...
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From: rgj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (RICHARD G. JOHNSTON)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: SUGGESTION FOR WORLD CUP GAMES ENDING IN TIES
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:45:29 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

The penalty kick procedure used to end tie games during the World Cup is, in
my opinion, a poor solution to the problem. Here is my alternative to breaking
ties. At the end of regulation make both sides play with only nine players for
some period of time, maybe 10 minutes. If the game is still tied 1 more player
would be pulled from each side every five or ten minutes. With such an
approach at least the game would be determined on the field. Anyone who has
played soccer realizes fewer players on the same size pitch opens up the game.  previous
World Cup had too many teams trying to play to play to a scoreless tie in
order to take their chances with penalty kicks. Any other alterantives?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt)
Subject: Re: What is "parrying" the ball?  
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:41:17 GMT

: My team is playing in a tournament this weekend, and one of the rules is 
: "no parrying the ball."  What does that mean?  No one on my team seems to
: know, and it's not because we're ignorant of the game; most of us have 
: at least 8-10 years of experience.
: 
: If it helps, the games in the tournament are short, with a 25-minute half 
: (since we'll be playing 3 games a day), so maybe this is a warning against
: time-wasting?

  
  Its not that the keeper can't "parry" the ball - it's that he/she can not
  pick it up again after he/she "parries" it.

  This was usually done in the past by a keeper when the ball was played
  to him and he sort of stopped it with his hands - left the ball on the
  ground - dribbled up to the 18 yard line - then picked up the ball to
  punt it out (gain more distance on the kick).

  The "parrying" rule was meant to explain what constitutes "control" of 
  the ball by the keeper.  The law says that if the goal keeper gains 
  control of the ball - he can not put it on the ground - dribble up to 
  the 18 and then pick up the ball again (until it's played outside the
  penalty area and touched by another player).

  The memorandum goes on to explain that "parrying" the ball is "control"
  by the goalkeeper and therefore if the keeper "parries" the ball to the
  ground - he is not allowed to pick it up again (penalty is an indirect
  free kick at the spot of the foul).

  Now - if there is a shot on goal and the keeper makes a "save" and knocks
  the ball down - she can smother it or pick it up again.  There was no
  "control" ergo: no parry.

  The interpretation is not for "time-wasting" rather to define what 
  constitutes "control" by the keeper.
 
  Hope this helps - good luck....

 
-- 
Mike Schmitt - Disclaimer: These opinions are not my employer's.  My opinions 
are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
America.  No mission too difficult, no sacrifice too great.  Duty first.
From: solodov@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SOCCER NEWSGROUP
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:32:27 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1il2peINN95g@gap.caltech.edu> christos@cco.caltech.edu (Christos S. Christoforou) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.191610.5258@cs.wisc.edu> solodov@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan7.184211.8648@leland.Stanford.EDU> motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta) writes:
>>>Hey guys,
>>>Does anybody there is interested in spliting this newsgroup in two?
>>>Something like "Rec.soccer.England" and "Rec.soccer.rest of the world"?
>>>Nothing against English soccer, really! Just tired of hiting the kill
>>>file key.
>
>>   I can't agree more.
>>   British football is of little interest to the general
>>   internatinal public. At this time anyway.
>
>Is editing a kill file too much trouble so that people want
>to split our newsgroup?
>
>I think not!
>
    Of course, it's not. But it makes even more sense to type
"distribution uk" when posting about 2nd, 3rd divisions & local affairs.
There won't be any talk about splitting then.
Note that nobody other than uk people discuss minor leagues stuff so much.

>I will also disagree with the statement that British football is
>of little interest to the general public. After all, they broadcast
>the FA Cup final in many countries around the world. Is the Italian,
>German, French, Brazilian, Argentinian (to name but a few), Cup
>final broadcasted in as many countries?
>
  Unfortunately this is true. However, there are a lot of reasons
for this, and in fact they have nothing to do with interest for the fans.
For example, usa cable companies don't send their own reporters to
Europe, so how can they broadcast Italian games ? If it were not for
the language problem, they would surely choose the Italian league -
the best players (including English) and therefore the best football is there.

>A splitting of the group will also bring with it the inevitable
>cross-posting... I bet if someone made us pay for this service,
>we wouldn't be so quick to call for new groups!
>
This would be a different story then, wouldn't it ?

>I vote for the group to stay as is!
>Christos

Michael.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: csjohnso@geezer.us.oracle.com (Christie Johnson)
Subject: What is "parrying" the ball?		
Reply-To: csjohnso@us.oracle.com (Christie Johnson)
Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:58:42 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

My team is playing in a tournament this weekend, and one of the rules is 
"no parrying the ball."  What does that mean?  No one on my team seems to
know, and it's not because we're ignorant of the game; most of us have 
at least 8-10 years of experience.

If it helps, the games in the tournament are short, with a 25-minute half 
(since we'll be playing 3 games a day), so maybe this is a warning against
time-wasting?

Thanks,

Christie
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rangers/Scotland squad:- R they one?
From: sgilmou@eis.calstate.edu (Stephen Gilmour)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 06:38:31 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

mcsdc1gf@dct.ac.uk writes:
> 
> This is just a small posting to completly critisise Glasgow Rangers.
> 
>   Eion Jess , although i am not a great fan of him , showed when he came on
> against Italy , he has the talent and something which Ally McCoist is lacking
> determination to turn a match on its head. He was unlucky not to get a penalty

Jess only got a game because he is an ex-Ger.  We farmed him out to a
wee team, but we'll likely sign him back in a couple of years when we
need replacements up front.

Stephen - Welcome to Ibrox.
From: gvanmoor@nrao.edu (Gustaaf Van Moorsel,,,)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: American Soccer Stars
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:37:44 GMT
Reply-To: gvanmoor@nrao.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory

I'm following with interest the discussions about the US soccer team. Since I'm
here in the States only since July 1992, I do not really know any players nor
the clubs they play for. As a keen follower (until July 1992, that is) of the
Dutch, German, and Italian leagues I cannot come up with any American names, save
Caliguri who tried out for Hamburger SV several years ago. I'd appreciate a list
of the current selected players, plus a short description of each.

Starving for televised soccer,

Gustaaf van Moorsel, NRAO, Socorro, New Mexico
From: cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Predictions: Souness Sacking
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:40:41 GMT
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK

In article <16B4FE56B.074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za> 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za writes:

>   I predict thet Souness will get sacked before April fool's day !
>   Any odds on me being wrong ?

Having seen them against Coventry he will be sacked two weeks today (Monday).
This is when Wolves will have knocked them out the cup if Bolton haven`t
already done it.

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From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Rangers Match Report
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:31:31 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

Played on Tuesday January 5th

Rangers  3  Dundee Utd. 2

Hateley  7  Welsh 54
McCall  23  Perry 58
McCoist 69

Att. 40,200

Another two points which takes Rangers seven points clear at the top of the
Premier League. This was certainly a game of two contrasting halfs in true
Bobby Robson style with Rangers dominating the first.

Durrant and Gordon were missing from the side that again beat Celtic on
Saturday and SAlly returned after missing that game. Rangers took the lead
after seven minutes with a brilliant goal. McCoist first touch on a high
through ball was different class as he sent the defender the wrong way. He
played the ball to Steven who fed Robertson on the wing. His cross into the
middle was headed home by the big man who was umarked. The second came after
a ball from Hateley into the box to McCoist appeared to stick in the mud.
With Main advancing and SAlly on the ground, he flicked it over his head. It
hit the bar and McCall was there for a simple header. After this Rangers
should have added to their total but good goalkeeping and glaring misses
kept it at two. However, Richard Gough didn't look fit and appeared to have a
reocurrance of his thigh injury.

At the start of the second half Gough was replaced by Huistra who started
brightly enough shooting just over. Thereafter, Rangers fell out of the game
and appeared to be content with the lead. A free kick which shouldn't have
been was taken quickly and with the defence dreaming Welsh rose to header
past Goram. Worse was to come four minutes later when a cross into the box
was headered out by Bomber but only to Perry who returned a diving header
past Goram. Rangers played fitba' once in this half and it resulted in the
winner from who else but McCoist. Steven made a forceful run to the edge of
the box and fed SAlly. He took it on, rounded Main and placed it in the pokey.
Rangers should have had a penalty when McCoist was clean through but the
United player took him down from behind. Both the ref and linesman had
nothing to do with it but McCoist was furious as were the Main, Copland and
Govan stands. As clear cut a penalty as you're likely to see and an ordering
off but Kenny Hope the ref had his usual incompetent display.

Best for Rangers were McCall, McPherson, Hateley and McCoist. Steven was a
nightmare and Fergie was close to that as well.

Rangers:
Goram, McPherson, Robertson, Gough (Huistra), Brown, McCall, Ferguson, Steven,
McCoist, Hateley, Mikhailichenko

Premier League (top + Celtic)
--------------
              P  Pts
Rangers       24 42
Aiberdeen     24 35
Celtic        25 30
Hertz         25 28
Dundee Utd.   24 26

Next game is the start of the defence of the Scottish Cup at Motherwell on
Seturday then it's Falkirk at Ibrox on Tuesday.

-- 
 Scott Jackson              e-mail scottj@spider.co.uk
 Spider Systems
 Edinburry                  "...I only score great goals. Some of them less
 Sco'lind                    great than others admittedly." - A McCoist