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From: dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette)
Subject: Re: Black Policeman in Milwaukee suburbs
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:17:55 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Blanche Steppe writes:
>[article about Black cop in white Milwaukee suburb deleted]
> P.S.  I nominate George Lasley Jr. for the TOM OF THE WEEK award!

I second the nomination...
but of course its no secret that "dookey-lipped" Black cops, in their
eagerness to show their white counterparts that they don't play
favoritism to Black civilians, often go overboard in  dealing with
"their own". In fact, the situation is so bad that I consider the
term "Black cop" to be almost oxymoronic -- all cops are blue in my book,
until I see evidence that their allegiance is to something other
than their badge/uniform and what it represents.
	Darryle

"Give a man a fish, and he will fish for a day.  Teach a man to fish, and
he will fish for the rest of his life."
                -- Vice President James Danforth Quayle
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:52:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct11.145256.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>	I am a 22 year old college student who is very much against interracial
>
>marriage and dating.  Just the other day my best friend and I were discusing
>
>the very topic with four other boys(white).  I explained to them my opposition
>
>against dating interracial and gave them reasons why.  I said that black women
>
>come in all different shapes and colors so why should I date outside of my 
>
>race.  I also said that I am not physically stimulated by white females.  It
>
let me get this straight, you're saying that *no* white woman has ever turned
you one?  is that right?  well, i think i can pretty safely say that you're
either a liar or a faggot [since nothing you said excludes white *males*].

>my race.  I go to an "all-white" college in Ohio, and I am approached by white
>
>females everyday should I start dating outside my race or what?  Do you
>
>consider me a racist?  I want to know.
>
whether you do or don't date white women is your business.  i couldn't care
less.  is it racist? not as far as i'm concerned, but as i said, i don't
care about this; it's just not important in the scheme of things.  my bottom
line is that this is a world economy based upon money and i care about one's
prejudices when they start to impact me monetarily or physically [i.e. if
some piece of illiterate white trash doesn't like me i'm not likely to care
if he keeps to himself and doesn't impact my ability to make a living.  if
he, realizing his powerlessness, decides to act on his prejudices and organize
a lynch mob to try to hang me, *then* i'm concerned].  personally, i think
your dating decisions are of miniscule significance to the world and don't
(in and of themselves) repress any one, or any identifiable group; unless
you think that being your girlfriend [or boyfriend, since i cannot eliminate
that possibility based upon what you have said] is of such vital importance.
in which case, good for you.

of course, masterbation is always a viable option to you.  then you don't
run into race/personality conflicts.  be sure to not fantasize about boning
white females or you would "blow" the whole idea here.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Interracial Dating
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:48:45 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University


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                             a a
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                      aaaaa       aaaaa


Coming to a theatre near you!!! Support black!! You guys might even learn
something!!!!!!
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu (Geoff Tuffli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Are there Any "Good white Folk"?***
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:28:28 GMT
Reply-To: tuff@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <92283.120244SBEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <SBEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>==     The Natural World is based on Balance and Order.  Those things which
>==place themselves against the balance and promote dis-order are an aberation.
>==Those parts which place themselves against the balance and promote
>==dis-order must be removed in order to perserve the WHOLE.
>==  The maxium of HUE-Manity, as understood and articulated by Siddiq

I find this entire article very interesting from a philosophical point of
view. My immediate impression from this is double: first, it seems as if
you have already determined a number of assumptions which all prove your
views - none of them addresses the plain and simple fact that, whatever else
anybody might wish or not wish, first and foremost every human being on this
planet is an individual, not some amorphous organ of some animal called
"White" or "Black" or "Hispanic" or "Asian". Second of all, your argument
seems to be more rooted in a Taoist philosophy than in anything else, despite
the racial, and at times, racist, overtones throughout your posting. Your
concern seems to be with the cultural or sociological dynamics of which
you are charging that European culture has spread; NOT with people whose
skin color happens to have a very low melanin content.

All in all, a very interesting article, but one which despite its title I
think belongs on a different newsgroup.

	Geoff Tuffli
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Spike vs. Liz Claiborne
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:23:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.014344.28692@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
sts6f@vortex.mech.virginia.edu (Sonya T. Smith) writes:
>
>I think what you are referring to is remark made by Gloria Vanderbuilt on the
>Donahue show.  As I recall, it was at the time when her black jeans were hot
>and an AfAm women in the audience asked why the proportions were such that they
>did not fit alot of black women (and alot of others).  Ms. Vanderbuilt's response was
>that she did not design her clothes with black women in mind.
.
.
Thank you, Sonya.  So it was Gloria Vanderbilt, huh?  I guess
hanging with Bobby Short didn't rub off any color onto her, right?
.
None of these designers actually make clothes for sisters. You just
have to hop into the size and pray. The only person I can think of
who was close was Willi Smith, even though it was menswear.  His
sister was his major model and she's known for an hourglass figure.
.
I remember when the mannish style kicked into pants during the early
1970s.  There was more room in the butt and hips.  This black woman
was definitely happy.
.
So, boycott Gloria's stuff, girlfriends.  And get Spike to fack up
his facts.
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: interracial dating
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:37:47 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Oct12.114603.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:

# Once a friend of mine was caught by a girls father in their home
# and chased out with a colt 45.  He was called nigger and told  by
# the girls father never to see his daughter again or else. My friend
# continued to see the girl.  Now you tell me, is it worth it?

*That* relationship might not have been worth it if she wasn't willing
to break with the family and move away.  But that doesn't mean
interracial relationships all work that way.

In 1971, my 17-year-old sister, blonde and blue-eyed, and living at
home, started dating a black guy.  I was living in Chicago at the
time, and heard about it from my father.  He sent me a post card
saying "Liz is dating a nice Negro boy" (remember, he was only 18 or
so).  He must have decided that a little discretion was in order -- or
maybe just respecting his daughter's privacy -- because he put the
post card in an envelope to mail it.

I think we have to resist the temptation to define situations by
worst-case scenarios.  Scouting the situation out a little might just
prove to be worth the effort.

David




Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: "Lloyd T Jones" <tj@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Interracial dating
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:08:09 -0500

bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
	
>Let's end this discussion, because we are just arguing and straying away from
>the point.  Mr. Jones I apologize for being so onesided.  Love is love when it
>all boils down to the answer of our discussion.  I wish you and your wife the
>best of luck.  Thank you for opening my mind.  I guess we all can never stop
>learning from this game of life.  Please don't be mad, because I still feel that
>it is in my best interest to date only black women.  

	Apologe accepted.  And I agree that some may be going off on a tangent,
but hey, that's what an open forum like this is about.  My wife and I, and
our children, are quite happy.  My whole point was that we should all do
what we think is best for us, but for real reasons.  Decisions about personal
relationships should be based on much more than skin color.  We may never
reach a time, at least not in our lifetimes, when this doesn't get at least
some consideration, but I look forward to the day when it becomes an after-
thought...
From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: African names-why aren't there more of them?
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:28:08 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: UB

In article <1992Oct6.230747.13119@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> evan@hpl.hp.com (Evan Kirshenbaum) writes:

>This actually touches on something that I've been curious about for a
>while: how unique was Haley's experience?  Did other families manage
>to preserve names or linguistic artefacts?  How many African Americans
>have any good idea where on the continent some of their ancestors came
>from?
>
>Evan Kirshenbaum
>    HP Laboratories
>    3500 Deer Creek Road, Building 26U
>    Palo Alto, CA  94304
>
>    kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com
>    (415)857-7572


	This is exactly what I thought...I'm only aware as far back as my 
great grandmother...What I am actually most interested in is finding out 
what common bonds we share with other Africans around the world (especially
Brazil, the West Indies, Cuba and the other Spanish territories, and Africa
itself.) I wouldn't be surprised if a few similarities remain, especially 
with cuisine, language and music/art even between the former Spanish, English
and Portuguese colonies...
-- 
Patrice Simon
simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
opnsimon@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chriswa@microsoft.com (Chris Waldron)
Subject: Re: Democrats,republicans;black athletes
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:19:50 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Oct5.222201.20186@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>In article <1992Oct05.025312.5081@microsoft.com> chriswa@microsoft.com (Chris Waldron) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep24.205551.6070@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep18.191449.22890@utkux1.utk.edu> koosman@utkux1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman) writes:
>>>>In article <198r3hINNm3a@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu 
>>>>(;;;;7202) writes:
>
[stuff deleted]

>
>>>Kind of like Willie Horton - conservatives saw a rapist and murderer.
>>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>Liberals saw a black man.
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>That not true.  Lee Atwater in his "death" bed article in Life magazine intent
>>was to wrap a BLACK rapist murderer around Mike Dukaksis.  The actual intent
>>of Willie Horton was in fact racist as admitted to by Atwater.
>
>EXcuse me, but Atwater apologized for being vicious.  As far as I
>know, he never apologized for or admitted to doing anything racist.
>
>Cite please... and will you put $10.00 on it to make it worth my time
>hitting the stacks?
>
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>I am not an official Oracle spokesman.  I speak for myself and no one else.

Atwater was indeed vicious and he used whatever divisive measure he could to
win.  Whether it was race, misplaced patriotism, class, sex, you name it.
I don't condone or justify any of that kind of strategy to win public office.
Perhaps you can split hairs and make those kind of distinctions.  I find them
unacceptable.  Atwater, I believed died in 1990 and I believe the article was
in the April edition of Life.  Atwater did in fact state that he intended to
make Willie Horton, Dukaksis' running mate.  His intent was to divide the
electorate along racial lines.  I call that racist.

ChrisWa.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor)
Subject: Re: Happy Columbus Day
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:47:08 GMT

bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:

|>WANTED: Articles on wether we should glorify Christiopher Columbus or not?
|>        I'm kind of suprised that nobody has posted an article on this subject
|>        since Columbus Day has come and gone.  I planned on posting one about   
|>        two weeks ago, but it slipped my mind.  I plan on posting one pretty  
|>        soon though.  Please be precise and supportive of your arguments. 
|>        Please don't be overly wordy either.  I tend to overlook very long
|>        respsonses.

It really depends on your race. If you are white, then maybe. Otherwise, NO.
A local DJ (w/ a syndicated program), Tom Joyner (sp), once said
Columbus discovering America is like You discovering my Cadilac with me
in it ! That is the best description that I have heard.
I hate the fact that something wasn't "discovered" because Whites
didn't know about it.

I need to research this but I was told that Columbus' men mutilated a
vast number of Indians/Natives when we landed. (Perhaps, someone can
verify or deny that...)

Anyways, the point is that Columbus open the gate for Europeans to not
only destroy the Native Indians but to restrict them to the the most
useless pieces of land in the country. Furthermore those same Europeans
introduce the slavery of Africans. No, Columbus is nothing to celebrate.

But I did hear an argument from a white co-worker who admitted
that while what happened was wrong, he wouldn't be here if Columbus
hadn't discovered America so he celebrated it.
-- 
	/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
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	|			Mail: minor@rtsg.mot.com		|
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: david@gdstech.grumman.com (David Nettles)
Subject: Re: motorcycles
Reply-To: david@gdstech.UUCP (David Nettles)
Organization: Grumman Data Systems-Woodbury
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:49:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.141630.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>	I have to agree with your friend Clarence; I have never seen a sister
>
>on a motorcycle.  I am very sure there are some, but they are few in numbers.
>
>Sorry but I had to tell the truth
>
>				CL Hill
>				BGSU
>


I have only seen brothers with their sons/daughters riding around in
my area...

But personally, I find motorcycles too dangerous anyway...

-- 
****************************************************************************
   David E. Nettles
   Internet: david@gdstech.grumman.com
   Grumman Data Systems
From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:57:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Spike vs. Liz Claiborne
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

	
	WOW!  Now there is an opportunity if EVER I SAW ONE.....

	It is so obvious...   and the person that addresses the problem
	will become awful damned rich in no time....

	Since "no one" makes clothes with "black women in mind", there
	is obviously a huge underserved market waiting for a new
	clothes manufacturer to come along!  (or at least a new clothes
	designer).

	The person that decides to serve this market is going to make a mint.

	My vote is for some enterprising black woman to tackle the
	job... Go for it!    Really!  Who else is more qualified for
	the job?   There is money just sitting there, waiting for someone
	to claim it....

	The interesting thing is that even though it is clear that
	this opportunity exists, there are very few people willing to
	even make one single phone call to start the process going!

	I'm surely not as qualified as a woman in tackling this type
	of project.... but I'm temptped!  So I'll give you all a head
	start... but if I don't see this new clothes line appear in the
	next six months, I'm gonna do it myself.  :-)

	Best of luck!

	-Mike-

	P.S.  Let me know how it goes....


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: Ms. Daniels publishes again
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:47:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.015722.2648@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
$Well, you guys.  I got published again.
$.
[excerpt deleted]

Gaa-aaaawn girl!!


-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
"Arresk the Presidink!"                           malcolm@mermaid.micro.umn.edu
		-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Ms. Daniels publishes again
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:31:54 GMT
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison

In article <1992Oct15.015722.2648@morrow.stanford.edu>  
HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
> Well, you guys.  I got published again.
> ..
> Check out the inaugural issue of "Equinox: Writing for a New
> Culture," an independent (multi)cultural journal coming out twice a
> year.  Poetry, fiction, essays, interviews, photography and art.
> ..
> I wrote a piece called, "A City Girl Discovers The Forest." It's my
> observations while at Hedgebrook Farm, a writers' retreat for women
> in Washington State. I touch on consumerism, spirituality, growing
> up as a black girl, etc. et al., the forest and wilderness.
> ..

     Congratulations, Gabrielle!

Arthur Johnson
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Black Nobel Laureate
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:37:08 GMT

Well, well, well, WELL.  A black Caribbean brother living in the
U.S. and teaching at Boston University, Derek Walcott, is at the
top of the literary heap this morning, children.  He beat out
sister Toni Morrison, among others, for the Nobel Prize for
Literature this year.  I will say this:  Walcott has been
laboring in the vineyard for quite a while.  He's a poet and a
playwright.  He does have friends in high places.  W.S. Merwin
said of him that it might come as a shock that the most eloquent
man writing in English today may be a black man.  A backhanded
compliment, perhaps, but apt.  He gets $1.2 million buckos, too.
He says he's still going to teach, but hey...if he don wanna, he
don hafta.  Work it, brotherman, and congratulations!

I don't know whether some of you guys saw this already from your
local PBS affiliate, but Donahue was doing a 2-hour number on
"The Subject Is Race" on Channel 54 out of San Jose, California.
The Bay Area is lucky, y'all.  We have Channel 9, the more robber
baron of the bunch, coming out of S.F.; then there is the new but
struggling Channel 32, the station for people of color (just
wrested from Channel 9 last year); Channel 60 run from San Mateo
(just up the pike from Paly);  and Channel 54.  Anyway, I
digress.  The notorious Sister Souljah was on, and so was Tony
Brown; Alan Keyes, the black Republican running in Maryland, I
believe; the distressingly clueless John Silber of Boston
University, where the conclave was held; Sharon Pratt Dixon,
Mayor of D.C.; Anna Deavere Smith, who's doing an excellent one-
woman show, I've heard; Jonathan Kozol, who earns my respect
every time he comes on the tube; and Cornel West, who spoke of
the importance of building community coalitions.  It was HOT,
what can I say, but the variety of viewpoints expressed were
interesting to say the least.  If it's ever in your area, check
it out.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Worldview and european Anti-Africanism 1
From: <SBEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 7 Oct 1992 14:03:38 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

-----------------------------------------
===     Geoff Tuffli states in reply to my Worldview posting thet "Part of the
===problem I have with the above posting is that it makes a few very dangerous
===assumption..."  He goes on to say that these assumptions are particularly
===dangerous in his field of study.  The question we must ask is why.  But
===first let us deal with his critisisms.  Tuffli feels that to base all of
===european bahavior on the "Man"/Nature dichotomy is "patently absurd".
===However when one looks at european behavior historically and the early
===environment in which the european Worldview was formed this fundamental
===european dichotomy makes perfect sense.  The european is the result of the
===mutation of the Grimandi in a period of intense glaciation.  This happened
===between 40,000 and twenty 20,000 years ago when the first anatomically
===modern european is found as the Cro-Magnon.  The glacial period certainly
===effected thethe european Worldview and probably resulted in the "Man/Nature
===split.  The "back to nature movement more as much as anything else supports
===this in that europeans are the only people that feel a seperation from
===nature that a group of them would have to try and get "back" to it.
===Tuffli noted that this movement, which was totally rejected by europeans,
===in no way invalidates the "Man"/Nature dichotomy as basic european
===thought foundation.  It should be noted that the "back to nature" movement
===and the curent environmentalist movements are very superficial and indivdual
===and in no way reflect an anomaly in european culture.
===European culture is the only one that is marked by the driving need to
===seperate everything into linear rankings and then make their particular
===behavior universal.  *No other* culture is marked by the driving need to
===seperate "Man"/Nature.  Tuffli demonstrates this point for us when
===he states that "Third World" is going though the stages of "development"
===and this results in the "Man"/Nature dichotomy.  However he does not state
===that this occurs as a result of european colonization, manipulation and
===influencce, in other words when Africans adopt the european Worldview.
===Tuffli's use of the terms "Third World", "stages" and "Devlopment"
===demonstrate european thought in action and are linear rankings that serve
===to dichotomize and establish particular european behavior as a necessary
===universal progression(In which Africans and all "non-europeans" are
===marginalized and begin to denegrate their own culture.)
===Tuffli's last point deserves a post of it's own, which will clear up as
===much of the non-sense in it as possible.
===Books to read:

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     "Giving, recieving, recieving, giving who would cast the spell of death,
let him seperate the two."Ayi Kwei Armah