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From: rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandy --not Sandra)
Subject: How did you find motss (was Re: A Better Year Ahead
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:23:33 GMT

I found soc.motss by reading a.p.h for a couple of weeks, and reading a flame
from someone about how soc.motss was annoyed by the cross-posts.  I checked
out soc,motss almost immediately.
-- 
 * Sandy *   "I'll believe Avon treated men and women equally the day I see
       	     him kiss a man, tell him he's beautiful when he's angry, kill
     	     him and then gloat over it."    Sue Clerc <sclerc@andy.bgsu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tcarlin@athena.mit.edu (Thomas B Carlin)
Subject: The Holy Church of Percentage Error
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:15:39 GMT

>Breakdown of Christians Vs. Godless heathens (_1993_Universal_
>World_Almanac_)
>
>christians - 1,548,5000,000 people (32.4% of the population)
>nonreligious/athiests - 1,026,400,000 (21.3% of the population)
>
>The Xians are still ahead...
>
<<Excuse me but the non Xians are the one in the lead (67.6% to 
<<32.4%). Looks like out numbered by 2 to 1.

(1)

Statistics, my son, lie; when pressed to answer the question
"What religion do you consider yourself to be" [which, btw, is
how the question is worded], over ***95%*** of the respondents
replied with the religion that THEY WERE RAISED WITH (I am no
exception; I was raised Anglican - Episcopalian in the States -,
and that is how I answer the question -- then again, the Church
of England accounts for something like 90% of England, yet the
churches are almost totally empty except on holidays), regardless
of whether they practiced that religion still or not.

Therefore, Chrisitianity can be cured.

(2)

Error, error, error!

nonChristian does not equal nonreligious/athiests/heathens!

Rather snot-nosed of you to imply, n'est pas?

(3)


When the put the teachings of Christ back into Christianity, then
maybe I'll join the party.

Besides, how can the pope expect to be taken serious when he
dresses like that?  AT least the Bishops in the CofE were purple
collars, which is just perfect with black suit and white shirt!


Tom
From: d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Diet differences with your partner?
Date: 31 Dec 92 11:09:04 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1992Dec31.061107.19924@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> In article <184735@pyramid.pyramid.com> sylvan@pyramid.COM (Sylvan Ruud) writes:
>>How many GLBO folks *are* vegetarians out there?
> 
> there are 1,354,223 in America. I'm one of them.
> 
>>I am a vegetarian, and find it difficult to deal with a lover who is not.

This reminds me of a scenario that took place two weeks ago in my house.

Introductions are in order: I have two room mates -- Chris and Tracey

Chris, a 22-year-old gay man (Arts Editor of the Daily News)
Tracey, a 23-year-old het woman (writes humor/info for said paper)

Well, anyway Chris is a devout veggie, which I sympathize with. I feel guilty
*thinking* about eating bologna when he is around...

Whereas Tracey will hold a burger in her mouth and growl and shake her head
like a wolf and stare at you with the burger dangling from her mouth, pause and
growl and shake again for comedic effect ("I'm a carnivore and proud of it!!")

Anyway, Chris (who has bouts of celibacy known to have lasted for over 12
months) is constantly teased by Tracey for not being a slut like she is.

But lo and behold... Chris got a boyfriend. A cute hunka HUNKA burning love.
i.e. he don't sleep here no more!!! (Yay Chris)

Well, Chris comes home at 4 p.m. one day (after a night of LUV *gak*)

After the obligatory, "SLUT!" label given by me that he is glad to recieve,
Tracey looks at him matter of factly and asks,

"How can a gay man or lesbian vegetarian have sex if you don't eat meat?"
                                     
"Spit!" Chris and I deadpanned back at almost the same time.

(Needless to say, friends come over to just listen to us talk to eachother.)
       
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "cures" for homosexuality
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:19:56 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:

>In a previous article, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) wrote:
>> 
>>John 'Jesus is my pleasure nub' Dorrance

>Ooh!  Thanks!

Like I *didn't* smell that one for miles...

>"We Will Rebuild (tm)" - majority community response to Andrew
>"We Will Redecorate" - gay community response to Andrew

Cute!

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado
Date: 30 Dec 1992 23:26:02 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
> In <1ht8hqINN77v@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
> ...maybe I can save you a little time on this 
> >one.  WHY would I be saying that the reason #2 passed is because 
> >people thought gay-rights groups would ask for quotas, if I was 
> >saying that they already HAD them?   

> If you want to be taken seriously, just stay consistent in your 
> arguments.  If you alter your stance on an issue, let your fellow
> net'ters know.  Don't attack them when they point out the inconsistency
> of your statements.
> You're obviously not interested in any type intercourse concerning the
> amendment -- you just want to find someone on whom you can use your
> 'insults du jour'.

Really now?  Let me see if I follow you.  First, I say that the reason 
#2 passed was because it included prohibitions on quotas based on sexual 
preference; something that, because of the analogy often made by gay
activists between homosexuals and blacks, people took seriously. Since 
a lot of people believed that gay actvists might look to get quotas, 
people voted for the measure.   The key being, they were looking to 
prevent something they didn't want to see happen in the future; not 
something that was already going on.  

Where exactly is the inconsistancy?  You may not like what I have to 
say, but I don't see where I've been inconsistant about it. 

> This is it, and into the kill file you go, Walter.

Probobly just as well.    At least now you won't have to 'put up' 
to your claim that I said gays want quotas; which I didn't claim. 

> You're obviously not interested in any type intercourse concerning the
> amendment -- you just want to find someone on whom you can use your
> 'insults du jour'.

An interesting comment for someone who's had only flames to 
contribute...

Walter

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Coming out at work - HELP!
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:29:04 GMT

markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) wrote: 
->btw: did you use a sticker or just deface the darn badge?

my badge has a pink triangle sticker on it.  i didn't ask about it,
either (don't ask questions whose answers you mightn't want to hear).

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
#     for information on the league for programming freedom, 
#                     write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: allen@serval.net.wsu.edu (Jonny Allen)
Subject: Re: Christmas in Spokane, WA.
Reply-To: allen@serval.net.wsu.edu (Jonny Allen)
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 21:38:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.005838.19206@cabezon.uucp>, kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards) writes: 
|> I'd also be interested in any Spokane info. It was my hometown until
|> I went away to college and discovered Portland. I visit the folks
|> several times a year, but I can't imagine having a gay life there.
|> 
|> Back in high school, when my gaydar was just coming on-line, I latched onto 
|> all rumors of gay life in Spokane that I heard. There wasn't much to go on:
|> a friend snickered about the "Swish Alps", an area in the South Hills that 
|> supposedly had a high concentration of gays, and a cousin onced talked
|> disparagingly about a gay bar in the Sheraton Hotel at Riverfront Park. 
|> I doubt if much has changed. The gay community probably stays pretty well
|> hidden. Let me know if I'm wrong, it would be a good thing to hear.

Well, I live in Pullman and only get to Spokane a few times a year, so I'm 
not very knowledgeable about the nightlife. Frankly, if I'm gonna travel that
far for entertainment I generally go to Coeur d'Alene; it's about the same
distance and far more surreal. But Spokane had its first ever pride march
this past summer, so it must have a gay community of some sort. If I remember
correctly, it was covered favorably in the media, and the police were 
helpful and supportive. And, of course, a large cross section of the
viewing public was just *scandalized*.

|> I was planning to drive home to Spokane for Christmas, but my Mom says they've
|> received more snow than they've had in over twenty years and the roads
|> are treacherous. 

Yup, it's a mess. 18 inches, and the roads are a disaster.
|> 
|> 
|> Ken
|> 

Jonny

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: *** SPOILERS *** from rec.arts.startrek.info
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 11:38:21 GMT

I'm confused on this one (partially because of a recent move and
partially because of a bad TV listing)... has Part 2 aired, yet?
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Organization: (getting there)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:22:04 GMT


In the interests of accuracy, I must take issue with
rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue), who writes:
  >>     Walter, how would you feel if your employer turned out to be a
  >>gay rights activist, and revoked everyone of those 13 spousal
  >>benefits that I listed, from YOU, while granting those benefits to
  >>your homosexual coworkers!
 >	Well - it couldn't happen, eight?  I mean Walter is in COLORADO
 >and CO:2 prevents someone from being discriminated against on the basis
 >of their heterosexuality.  So you MUST offer EE stuff to heterosexuals,
 >but you DON'T have to for homosexuals even if you do for heteroseuxals.

CO:2 doesn't really do this.  It just _disallows_
antidiscrimination laws on the basis of lesbianism, homosexuality and
bisexuality.

To the best of my understanding, in places that don't currently have
laws governing discrimination based on sexual orientation, no
protection is offered.  

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO (was Re: Attention...)
Date: 1 Jan 93 00:04:26 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1hv70lINN69f@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>I don't think that would work, unless your job evaluations showed you 
>really *were* a bad employee.  And WHY would a company fire a good 
>employee *just* because he is gay?  

Are you really this clueless?  Since you obviously don't know shit about
homophobia why don't you listen and learn for a while instead of
opening your ignorant mouth at every opportunity.  Your desparate
attempts to sweep bigotry under the rug are rather revealing.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Age-ism and the gay community
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:01:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec21.210151.12132
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec21.202931.19993@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>Well, I didn't need a filter based on my first name (which would turn
>up a number of false positives anyway) to spot this one. :-)
>
>In article <1992Dec20.123132.19229@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson
>Minar), cherished friend and sometime cuddle-mate, writes:
>
>> Presbyphilia (thanks, Steve, for the great word) seems to tread across
>> some deep-seated social taboo that I don't understand. What is so
>> titillating about the idea of an intergenerational relationship? They
>> seem perfectly natural to me. Why is it shocking?
>
>There may be "power" issues here. Notice how many people go off the
>deep end about the idea of sexual relations between "children" and
...
>| >Bear
>| >magazine seems to have a few models who are over 30, but
>| >still nothing like what I'm interested in.  There has to be
>| >erotica/porn featuring "older men" - but where?
>| 
>| You could supply it, maybe.
>
>Umm... I was under the impression that Nelson was talking about
>visuals, here, and he forgot to bring his camera the last time he
>visited. :-)

I've been sitting on my hands, but I must mention that the next
Bearhunt, 'Daddies', if the effin' printer will print the effin' mag
(I'm now weeks and weeks behind), has virtually nothing but, muscular
grey-bearded fuzzy daddies. And one plump extra-hairy tattoed baby
daddy. And several stories about grey-haired dirty old men daddies.  I
wait, I wait... It is odd, but I have more Edward Gorey pinup types
running around than I really know what to do with. I'm working slowly
to a Victorian Extravaganza, Porno Gorey excess of Navy Admirals,
Professors, Police Chiefs, Artists, Writers, Architects (with some
writing from BML'ers). Anyone ever tod you about what happens to men
past 60, w.r.t. how their appendages seem to suddenly start growing
again? I think it is a tendon-stretching phenomenon. Will verify in
A'dam.


-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Grumble
Date: 28 Dec 92 05:08:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec28.050842.13036
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

So I was visiting an old high school friend while here in Houston.
I've been friends with him since we were fourteen. He's straight, and
he's very gay-friendly. He was very supportive when I was coming out.

So I was at his apartment, with his fiancee, and we were watching The
Burning Bed. (Groovy movie, btw.) We'd just seen the scene where the
cop won't help Farrah Faucett press murder charges against her abusive
husband. And my friend's fiancee, angry at the character, yells at the
screen "faggot! You should help her, you wimp."

Grumble.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                    You care for plants and we care for you
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: Re: Costner plans Colorado Filming
Organization: Real/Time Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 23:57:53 GMT

Bil Snodgrass (snodgras@lclark.edu) wrote:
: 
: Is this a surprise?  The man plays golf with Bush for heavens sake.....

And thought Madonna's show was "neat"...: 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Militant Homosexuals Stage Coup
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 12:24:15 GMT

d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman) writes:

>Here's the answer: The Lesbigay Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines,
>Coast Guard,

I object. Can we rename it the Lever 2000? I like that name better.
(Aside to BBC: Upon further reflection, I think the 2000 body parts
includes not only the foreskin, but every body part concievable, for
both men and women, people with tumors, siamese twins, and everything
else. It's made to clean 'all your 2000 body parts', where 'your'
refers to the soap-buying public in general. Each person averages
only about 1500 body parts per. Additional fun fact: the 2000 includes
internal organs.)

>Visualize Whirled Peas.

No.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You're like one of those... 'Cabbage Patch' creatures...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: marcuss@microsoft.com (Marcus Stringer)
Subject: Gay Angwin Part II
Date: 27 Dec 92 23:41:57 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa
Keywords:  I forgEt

Two guys (one who lived 50 south of SF, 
and another who attended a yearbook camp in 
Angwin this past summer)responded to my 
"Gay Angwin" mail, but all my replies have 
bounced back to me.

If you're still there, please respond.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO (was Re: Attention...)
Date: 1 Jan 93 00:44:33 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <1i02j7INNfoi@hp-col.col.hp.com>
smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>> they can get away with it, is firing an employee who's
>> performing satisfactorily or better because of a
>> supervisor's personal enmity.  You *have* heard of enmity
>> arising from homophobia, yes?

>Well, I've never personally seen it in action, but I'll take 
>your word for it.  

What are you saying?  That you've never seen homophobia?
Do you believe *only* what you personally have seen?

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
Date: 23 Dec 1992 18:05:27 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniblab.asd.sgi.com

In article <2@bbx.basis.com> scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
>In article <Bzo2DH.DFx@cs.columbia.edu> ji@cs.columbia.edu (John Ioannidis) writes:
>>[het couple wants a medal for making a baby]
>
>Let's summerize:
>    1. Heterosexual orientation is the result of deliberate, conscious
>       endeavor (i.e. one definition of "choice").
>    2. Heterosexuality requires full institutionalized support with 
>       complete suppression of homosexual ideas.
>    3. Het men want to be congratulated for achieving heterosexuality.
>I think what we have here is a concept of a natural, default homosexual 
>orientation and the question of "choice" to accept the orientation or 
>work at suppressing it in favor of acceptance in society.  When one meets 
>with a level of success at this all-consuming process it is understandable 
>that he will want his dues, an announcement in the newspaper, his special 
>rights and priviledges, or at least a congratulatory greeting card.


This ties into something I've been wondering about.
It seems that in Roman Catholic circles, the big bad sin is to perform a gay
sex act; but there's not much in there about it being evil to have a
tendency towards your own sex versus opposite sex.

So, it's sort of like they realize that it's perfectly natural to desire
the same sex.  It's just that you have to overcome the desire, beat it down,
deny it, just like anything else fun in life.

So you can be gay and go to heaven (I personally would rather that the
Saint re-open) as long as you never have sex.  Yes?

pauli.
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado
Date: 31 Dec 92 02:29:16 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1hssqnINN2gq@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>> So Colorado can take away rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution,
>> but no one is supposed to be concerned?  No one from outside the
>> state is supposed to show any displeasure?  Get real...
>
>Get real yourself and look at this from a practical standpoint, instead 
>of an emotional, reactionary one.  If #2 takes away rights 
>guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, it will be ruled unconstitutional 
>and be overturned.  People here were upset when it passed, and I think 
>if all the boycott hype hadn't come along, more energy would have 
>been spent on the overturn instead of on the boycott.  With any 
>luck, the whole thing will be ruled uncomstitutional, and the 
>boycott will have been an unnessesary (and harmful, since it 
>polarizes people) misuse of energy. 

There is a lot more at stake in this boycott than getting Colorado to
repeal CO2.  The forces behind CO2 are going to try the same crap
in other states.  This is not just a Colorado thing and those of
us in other states are mad as hell that Colorado paved the way for
a nationwide attack on the rights of homosexual people.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Austin, TX joins Colo. Boycott
Date: 30 Dec 92 01:11:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec30.011142.1298
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <C01op4.JL1@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.190004.20792@lclark.edu> snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>>In article <85913@ut-emx.uucp> esm@june.che.utexas.edu (Edward Scott Meadows) writes:
>>>It's true that Texas has a sodomy law, but that doesn't prevent the
>>>passage of local gay and lesbian civil rights laws.
>>So there is a equal rights law protecting Gays in Austin?  That is
>>funny, because in Oregon City laws cannot override State and or Federal
>>Laws.....
>
>It doesn't.  It is (nominally) illegal to have homosexual sex.  It is also
>illegal to discriminate against one because of homosexual orientation.
>What is so difficult to figure out?
>-- 

What is so hard is that I am trying to get someone to tell me about
this law in Austin, Texas that makes it illegal to discriminate against
Gays.  I was asking for verification.....

And part two is that the Dallas Police department asks if a person is
gay/lesbian, not if they have gay sex......It is assumed that one does
if one is gay/lesbian...that is why aI am really curious how one city
can use the state law against gays and another just flips its nose at
the sodomy law.

Would some one from Austin please tell me when this law went into effect.
It it is true I am very pleased in deed!!!!


>ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
>rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
>"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
>                                                                   -- J. Foster


Bil Snodgrass III