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From: ahmed@uts.amdahl.com (Syed S. Ahmed)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Playoff question regarding Niners-Saints
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:05:53 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec22.182140.8355@sequent.com>, newson@sequent.com (Newson) writes:
> In article <1992Dec22.054603.8912@leland.Stanford.EDU> punjabi@leland.Stanford.EDU (sanjeev punjabi) writes:
> >
> >Assuming the Saints end up with the best record among NFC wildcard teams, is
> >there any scenario in which they could play at Candlestick in the second round
> >of the playoffs?
> 
> I may be mistaken, but I thought the only time Teams from the same division
> can meet in the playoffs is in the conference championship game. Has this 
> changed since the 3 wildcard/conference scheme was introduced?
> 
 
 I would think that the rules have changed. Wasn't it the Falcons who beat
the Saints in playoffs last season. As a fortyniner fan, I would rather have
the niners play Eagles or 'Skins than the Saints.

--
sabeel - A 4TNiner Fan

> -newson
From: C.Thomas.Eyford.III@dartmouth.edu (C. Thomas Eyford III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills a Bust? (WAR is HELL)
Date: 3 Jan 93 03:02:25 GMT
 <1992Dec29.233452.20085@ncar.ucar.edu> 
 <1992Dec30.004425.29237@PacBell.COM>  
 <1992Dec30.063741.26448@ncar.ucar.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <1992Dec30.063741.26448@ncar.ucar.edu>
gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:

> Nope, not what I said. Actually, when the playoffs begin, a 9-7 team is in
> the same position as a 14-2 (or 16-0) team. Both are 0-0, and the 16-0 (or
> 14-2) team doesn't get any credit (outside of a bye week) for their record.
> If the 9-7 team goes 1-0 against the 16-0 team, well, the 16-0 team is done
> for the year. You don't get "extras" for dominating the regular season. I
> don't see why this is so difficult for you to understand.

Actually, that's not true.  I know this has been responded to, but the
regular season definitely makes a difference.  The 49ers now have the
number 1 seed in the NFC playoffs.  What is this worth?  As long as the
49ers keep winning, they play, at home, the team with the worst record
remaining in the draw.  There is no bracket like in the NBA, where all
matchups are known from the beginning.  After each round of the
playoffs, the teams are re-seeded, with the best and worst teams
remaining in the draw playing at the best team's home field, and so on.
 Certainly makes the regular season worth a LOT in my book - it
determines ALL your opponents in the playoffs, not just the first
round.  Granted, it's a brand new season, and if a 9-7 team beats a
16-0 team, that's the end of the road for the 16-0 team, but that 16-0
team certainly got a scheduling break by getting to play a team that
lost 7 of 16 games during the regular season.

RL: Tom Eyford                        E-mail: eyford@mac.dartmouth.edu

"So, you'll put down your rock and I'll put down my sword, and we'll
try to kill each other like civilized people?"  
                                      -- Westley, _The Princess Bride_
From: caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bad Boy Green Bay Bob
Date: 28 Dec 1992 17:49:49 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <19921228.091928.623@almaden.ibm.com> heavy-metal@vnet.ibm.com writes:
> I might as well also say that I've (along with some of the Packer players)
> have lost a little respect for Dennis Green and the Vikings. On the field,
> verbal abuse flew, especially after the Vikes had the game in the bag. Ooh,
> what men. Trying for a luck touchdown at the end just to burn us what a
> pretty cheap shot (I won't even mention the second quarter on side kick.)
> I thought that the Vikings had more class than that. I hope that they do,
> but I don't know anymore.
>
	Oh come on. The on-side kick after the Vikings score before halftime
	was a good call. If it worked, we may have added to our lead, if
	it didnt work, no biggie, not alot of time for the Packers to
	convert the good field position. As for the long pass near the end
	of the game, Coach Green said that the Packers were still blitzing
	alot of people near the end of the game, so he felt it would
	be great to burn them on their blitzes. If the Packers wouldnt have
	blitzed so much at the end, maybe Coach Green wouldnt feel he had
	or wanted to go up top... Regardless of what you believe was the reason
	for either team doing what they did, this is the NFL, and if you
	cant take a little leating, then you dont deserve to be there. 
	"Gee guys comeon, take it easy on us..." The Vikings needed the
	momentum going into the playoffs, and if the Packers cant handle
	that or felt it was poor sportsmanship, then thats their opinion.
	I didnt feel it was unsportsmanlike...

	Mark
	GO VIKINGS! 11-5! 7-1 In the Division!

> As soon as the Vikings and their fans have halos over their heads, rip on
> me. This is supposed to be fun, ya know?
>
> Green Bay Bob
> Proud to be a Packer Fan
> (and I will let you know that even though I live in a Minnesota and am
> surrounded by Viking fans, I'm wearing my beautiful Green Bay sweatshirt
> and jacket. And I'm making the rounds. I love my team.)
>
> PS: does anybody know an Packer address that I can send a letter of
> congratulations to? It would really be appreciated (just send it to me
> at heavy-metal@vnet.ibm.com) THANKS!
>


-- 
Minnesota Vikings	11-5	NFC Central Division Champions 1992-93!

Gannon back in the pocket, DRAW to Allen, Allen bursts up the middle,TOUCHDOWN!
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Subject: Over-rated players???
From: accdtg@vaxa.hofstra.edu
Date: 23 Dec 92 11:04:51 EST

I just had a question and I figured this would be the best place to ask it. Who
do you think is the most over-rated player in the NFL?

My guess would be Deion Sanders of the Falcons, but what do you guys think?

-- DTG
From: nlatif@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Wolverine)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC playoff picture questions
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:26:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <3197@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>OK, the Cowboys have the NFC East.  If they lose next week, and the Saints
>win, and the Saints win the wildcard game, then the Cowboys and Saints
>will play each other in the second round.  The question is, since they
>both finished with 12-4 records, who will host?

The Cowboys will host 'cause they are the division leader.

>
>The other question is:  if the Saints lose next week and the Eagles win,
>then they play each other in one of the wildcard games.  Who will host
>this game, since they both finish with 11-5 records?

The Eagles will host the wildcard game since they have the #1 wilcard spot.
Very simple.

>
>Daniel Welch

GO EAGLES... beat the Giants and be undefeated at home.
GO JETS... beat the Saints!

Are those Skins fans gonna cheer for the Eagles this week??
YEP!!!  
'nuff said.


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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Bills a Bust? (WAR is HELL)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:44:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.233452.20085@ncar.ucar.edu> strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>jg> JOHN (Gloria)
>
>jg> It seems "some" Bills fans always seem to bring the fact the they beat the
>    Niners. Hey, that is old, history. That win does not mean the Bills are
>    the best team, does it?
>
>  It seems at least one Niners fan always seems to mention the fact that the
>  Niners won 4 SBs. Hey, that is old, history. Those wins do not mean the 49ers
>  are the best team this season, do they?
>-- 
>Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
>strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF

Gary, if you are going to humiltate yourself, please try it
somewhere else.  In case it has escaped you, which is quite
obvious, which team has the BEST record? Which team is favored
to win the playoffs and the SB? That in itself does not guarantee
a win or crap, but the Niners history is/has been relived this 
season. Your truly hateful biases have blinded you from seeing
the facts. Yeah, I know, you will again attempt to discredit anything
the Niners have accomplished in the past, plus what they have
accomplished this year. Yes, your opinons are definitely your own.
They do not represent NCAR, UCAR or the NSF, OR very much for that matter.
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
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From: steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Weber Systems, Brookfield, WI USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:09:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.220035.19884@novell.com> barrey@Novell.com (Barrey Jewall) writes:
>In <1992Dec21.210943.23105@weber.com> steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec20.170701.7522@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM 
>(JOHN) writes:
>
>>> Also check out their QBs: Young, Bono,
>>>and that other guy, hmmm, oh yeah, JOE MONTANA. Hmmm,
>
>>Ya right.  And let me guess - he's throwing and not feeling any pain.  Oh,
>>and he'll be back in a couple of weeks right?
>>Montana WAS great,  Young is OK,  Bono's a wannabe.
>
>Well, come Monday Night Football, in a game that means nothing,
>Joe will play "2 or 3 quarters" and then we'll see how his elbow looks...

I was merely refering to the fact that we've heard Montana was coming back
soon ever since the beginning of the 91 season.  Sept 91 - out 4-6 weeks, then
woops!  Sorry, out all season, etc.  I bet you couldn't guess who picked
Montana as a QB in my 91 fantasy football league? :^)

>This from the mouth of one "George Seifert", reputed to be the 
>head coach of some team that now HAS THE BEST FREAKING RECORD IN THE NFL!!!

So.  What does being head coach of the team with the best record have to do
with perdicting injury recovery?  Only time will tell.

>
>(Oh well, so much for my objectivity!)
>Anyone know what a single ticket to the Big Dance goes for these days???
>

No idea.  A LOT more than 10 years ago, I'm sure (thanks to certain overpaying
NFL teams!!!). :^)

>--
>+ Barrey Jewall - Network  Admin.++  and yea, though I walk through the shadow 
>+ barrey@novell.com	         ++ of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am
>+ Novell, Inc.- San Jose, Calif. ++ the meanest sonofabitch in the valley...

--
Steve Keshen           steve@weber.weber.com  
Weber Systems          The Packers still suck and swallow.
Brookfield, WI  53005
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From: bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson)
Subject: Re: Vikings comments
Reply-To: bergerson@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 13:15:25 GMT




In article <27000192@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
->From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
->Subject: Re: Vikings comments
->Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
->
->Chad, you are a real drone.  Someone thinks something is funny and you 
->decide to lash out and call the person a moron.  Chad, get a life.
->
->>1992:  11-5    clinched on the road, a tough AFC team
->
->You forgot to mention that the Steelers are missing their starting QB in
->this one and are forced to rely on someone who sucks as much as Gannon does.
->
->Someone sell Chad a clue.
->
->Don Boell
->"Just win baby"
->
->

Someone please sell Don some original sayings....

I think he is the one who sounds like a real prick if you ask me.

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From: barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (James Barnes)
Subject: Re: Where will Joe go?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:26:30 GMT

In article <GILFORD.92Dec31141341@lexus.vuse.vanderbilt.edu>,
gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec31.174730.24957@odin.corp.sgi.com>
|> barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (James Barnes) writes:
|>    Montana sure looked good in his audition Monday night.
|>    In fact, he looked GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|>    Where is he going to be playing next year?
|> 
|>    L. A. Raiders??
|>    Nah....
|> 
|>    My guess is:       Minnesota
|>                       ^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> ***************************************************************
|> After the Herschel Walker fiasco I was wondering how much Minnesota
|> will be willing to give to the 49ers.  If Montana is traded how much
|> do you think he is worth?
|> 
|> Have a good 1993.
|> --
|> 
|> <><><><><><><><>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<>><>
|> Gilford T. Hapanyengwi       | Vanderbilt Commodores[24]
|> (615) 322-3552               | 10-1
|> gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu  | Lady Commodores[2]
|> hapanyg@vuctrvax.bitnet      | 8-0
I'm a Dallas Fan, so I thank Minnesota every time the Cowboys take the
field.
Joe is worth more now than Herschel was worth then, but Herschel wasn't
worth
what they gave up. All that the Vikings need now is a QB. Joe would be a
good 
fit. At least 50% of the games in a dome....A passers dream.....

Jim
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From: lwn@sei.cmu.edu (Louis Nedz)
Subject: "IT WAS TWENTY YEARS AGO TODAY..."
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:36:20 EST


     December 23 1972, Three River Stadium. The first round of the
AFC Playoffs. The Oakland Raiders had taken lead over the Pittsburgh
Steelers with little time left on the clock. The Steelers tried desperately
to move the ball down field into scoring range but seemed to stall out 
in thier own territory as it was 4th and ten, 19 seconds showing on the
clock.   Terry Bradshaw dropped back to pass, the Raiders were blitzing,
Bradshaw avoids oncoming tacklers and fires the ball down field,   as
Frenchy Fuqua lunges for the ball he collides with DB Jack Tatum who 
deffects the ball back up field  where out of nowhere  Franco Harris
scoops it up inches from the ground and heads toward the endzone  and
a Pittsburgh Steeler Dynasty. 
     Those were the good old days. The Steelers went on to win 4 SUPER
BOWLS in six years and become on of the greatest teams in NFL history.

     Well it's 1992 and the Steelers are once again heading into the
playoffs. Wouldn't it be nice to see history repeat itself?

       GO STEELERS!!!

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From: Larry Simmons (larry@aecom.yu.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: For New York Giants Fans
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:45:54 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Medicine

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.79.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
>In article <102922@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
writes:
>
>Hmmm, my local news rag mentioned Coughlin also a possible replacement.  But 
>management says that they have done NO TALKING at all with ANYONE, until 
>the current season is OVER. 
>
>[Hey Larry, dont you subscribe to one of those Giants magazines?  What do 
>they say there?]

They say (no surprise) Ray is history.

The "beef" with Coughlin is that he wanted the WRs to learn too much and made
it too complicated. So he went back to BC where he coached Doug Flutie.

IMO, why take another "rookie" head coach like Handley? Coughlin may be cheaper
than a Parcells or Reeves, but you pay for what you get.
---
         Larry Simmons                           larry@aecom.yu.edu
  Research Information Technology          ...!{uunet,att}!alsys1!larry
Albert Einstein College of Medicine    ...!meadowlnds!sec_227!row_7!seat_19!me

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From: krishna@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Krishna R Akkina)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: What The Vikings Need
Date: 2 Jan 1993 16:22:15 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

A lot of people know what the Vikings need to be a serious contender, a 
quarterback.  Well, guess who they can get that would help the team a lot?
Joe Montana.  The 49ers want to keep Joe, but only as a backup.  They said 
they will pay him almost anything if he can accept the position as a backup
to Steve Young.  But think about it.  Will Joe Montana want to be a backup?
Of course not.  I don't think the 49ers will be able to keep him as a backup
so I am sure many teams are thinking about it.  But why the Vikings?  Think 
about it.  Dennis Green, A. and C. Carter, Steve Jordan, Hassan Jones, Terry
Allen, Roger Craig, and the Defense.  This is a supporting cast that Joe 
could take to the Super Bowl if given the chance.  And since Green did coach
when Montana was a qb for the 49ers when Green was there, Joe might want to
rejoin Green.  If the Vikes can get Joe, count them next year for the Super
Bowl.  

If somehow they are able to keep Joe (the 49ers), there is always Steve Bono, who the 49ers are not going to be able to keep if they keep Joe and Steve.

An Eagles Fan who admires the Vikings effort this year :).
From: larrym@ssec.wisc.edu (Larry McGuire )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer trivia
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:02:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Space Science and Engineering Center

In article <1992Dec21.212202.23355@weber.com>, steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen) writes:
|> Hey, anybody know what the Slack^H^H^H^H^HPacker record was the year
|> the fans killed Dan Divine's dog?  Just wondering what kind of reception
|> Holmgren can expect.
|> 
|> --
|> Steve Keshen           steve@weber.weber.com  
|> Brookfield, WI  53005

Say, aren't they supposed to make the new grads read manuals or something
for the first couple of weeks?

Oh, and since you probably just moved here 'cause of the new job, let me
be the first to welcome you to Wisconsin, hope you didn't have to much trouble
finding an place to stay, and all that crap.
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: Eddie Murray was(Re: 49ers have the 'Ladies of Charity')
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:24:33 GMT

Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI (nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM) wrote:

> Murray is not kicking for the Buccaneers.  Don't know what happened to 
> Willis.

> nate

Willis got picked up by the Giants...


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  |  Kevin Lu                              | Monash University             |
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From: arika@cserver.plexus.COM (Arik Anderson)
Subject: Re: Green to go full strength against the Pack.
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:23:42 GMT

sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:

>From what I interpreted from Dennis Green's comments today,
>it seems that the Vikes are going full strength against the
>Pack, this Sunday.

I wouldn't expect anything less from a team playing a division
rival. I would lose a lot of respect for a team that didn't
play to win a game. That would be the mark of a team that
did not deserve to be in the playoffs.

>IMO, part of the reason might be that the Vikes have not
>palyed the improved version of the Packers. The Packers
>have defenitely improved after the first week when the 
>Vikes beat them in OT.  A game against a good team like
>the Pack, who are very desperate to win, will of great
>preparation for the playoffs.

I totally agree. I've loved watching the Packers play well
the second half of the season, but the Vikings MUST be
ready to give 110% both on O and D from here on. There
is no backing your way into the Superbowl.

Also, the Vikings must solve their problems on offense.
This must start with the game against Green Bay.

>Secondly, Green would like to establish who is the real
>boss in the NFC-Central. A lot of people might get the
>feeling that the best team in the NFC-Central is the
>Pack eventhough the Vikes have the Division title, going
>by the Pack's recent performances and also the lack luster
>show of the Viking O.  Green would like to put that
>to rest by a Viking victory.

I can't help but wonder what the press would be saying if
the past 7 weeks had occurred at the beginning of the season
rather than the end. The Pack would be 6 and 1, the Vikings
would be ???. Anyhow, that's not the way it happened.

Thinking back to the first game of the season, it really
appeared that neither team wanted to win that game. If we
through that game out, this game will tell a lot about the
two teams. 

Let's go Pack!
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Dan Reeves has been fired!
Keywords: Broncos to seek new head coach!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:56:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.213737.3362@vexcel.com> tom@vexcel.com (Tom Baltzer) writes:

>That's right, just heard on the radio that Bolen fired Dan Reeves.
>No word on new head coach yet, but look out 49ers, I'm sure we're 
>interested in Shanahan.  or maybe Wade Phillips will be moved up.

What an utter idiot Bolen is.  Based upon his pre-Super Bowl comments
about "Chinaman" Jerry Rice and such, I thought he was just a boor.
Now it's clear he's mentally lacking as well.

Reeves is one of the BEST coaches in the game, along with Seifert, Gibbs,
Levy et al.  He should remain unemployed for about a millisecond.  I just
pray that the Falcon ownership doesn't come to their senses and sack
Glanville in favor of Reeves.

I do believe the decline of the Donco franchise is about to begin.  Suppose
Elway's going to be looking for work elsewhere?
-- 
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From: bcd@fang.att.com (Brendan Dwyer)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:43:42 GMT

From article <1h4rueINNoab@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, by skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds):
> Every team can have a bad day, they did win but if they play 
> that poorly in the playoffs they wont last very long.....
> 
> Go Cowboys !!!!!
> tim
> 
> 
I realize I'm a Buc fan and that my biased opinion is about a useful as a
second asshole, but the Bucs do have some talent and with the proper 
motivation (which has been in short supply the last few years) they can
play a decent game.  I'll go back to my own little world now.

Brendan Dwyer
Go Raiders!!
Go Bucs!!
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