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From: erodrigu@dcc.uchile.cl (Eduardo Rodriguez)
Subject: Re: Sending Mail to BitNet
Originator: erodrigu@werken
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:02:33 CST
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion


In article <zxmkr08.718226131@mailserv>, zxmkr08@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Cornelius Krasel) writes:
> In <1992Oct2.161208.526@cine88.cineca.it> marcello@deis20.cineca.it (Marcello Dalpasso) writes:
> 
> >eytan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ethan Joseph Alpern) writes:
> 
> >>I am trying to send mail to a friend of mine in Italy.  He told me
> >>that he was on BitNet and gave me the following address:
> >>csuc_bo@almad1.cineca.it
>   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> I'm a bit confused here. According to my knowledge, bitnet addresses
> are usually in the form name@host, i.e. csuc_bo@almad1. Could somebody
> please enlighten me?

Yes, you are right!, and that names are all 8 characters limited.
There are also some sites that are both Internet and Bitnet hosts,
and this sites in the most of the cases uses the Bitnet name in
both address, by example:

uchcecvm.BITNET
uchcecvm.cec.uchile.cl

In UUNET, there is no Internet registration for almad1.cineca.it,
in the BITEARN databases of BITNET (the oficial host list) there
is no Italian hosts named almad1. And as a hint, all the Italian
Bitnet hosts begin with "i".   :-)
(that was consulted using WAIS)

In the UUMAPS databases, consulted using WAIS, there is this
information for CINECA:

ICINECA

  a_member.CINECA;Via Magnanelli 6/3;Casalecchio di Reno;I-40033 Bologna 
  admin.P_DEFLORIO 
  connect.19840801 
  country.IT 
  remark1.CINECA is a consortium formed by 13 Italian Universitiess 
  remark2.(Bologna, Modena, Parma, Ferrara, Padua, Venice, Udine, 
  remark3.Trento, Florence, Ancona, Siena, Catania and Trieste).
  remark4.CINECA provides EDP services by means of the following  g 
  remark5.machines - 
  remark6.1 Cray Y-MP8/432 with UNICOS 
  remark7.1 IBM 9021-720 6VF with VM/XA (node ICINECA) 
  remark8.1 VAX 6000-510 with VMS (node ICINECA2)
  remark9.1 VAX 11/785 with VMS 
  routtab.RSCS (NETSERV,ADF0@ICINECA) 
  servers1.MAILER@ICINECA(MAIL,PU,M,BSMTP,P_DEFLORIO) 

>>internet.ICINECA.CINECA.IT 

The last one is (i think) the information that can be used in this
case. (i.e. the address MAY BE is: csuc_bo@ICINECA.CINECA.IT)

edo...

Eduardo Rodriguez S        - --- - --- - --- -    erodrigu@dcc.uchile.cl
Dpto de Ciencias de la Computacion  - --- -    ...!uunet!uchdcc!erodrigu
Universidad de Chile   --- - --- - ---   erodrigu%uchdcc@uchcecvm.BITNET
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From: mugsy@winton.uucp (Michael G. Bruce)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: global finger
Date: 30 Sep 1992 20:46:08 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, MA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: winton.wpi.edu

In article <1acu7sINNp07@spool.mu.edu> jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) writes:
>Is there a way of fingering everybody at a site?  (ie.  finger*@spool.mu.edu)?
>

Pretty close Jason, if the host is reachable you can do `finger @spool.mu.edu'
(using your example) to see everyone logged in.

Hope this helps.



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From: tob@raider.raidernet.com (Tom O. Barron)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: What does 'daemon' mean?
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:52:15 GMT
Organization: RaiderNet Usenet Public Access, Murfreesboro, TN (615-895-4675)

In <344274@bailey.UUCP> ben@bailey.UUCP (Ben Bailey) writes:

>As I recall, it was introduced into computer lore during the days when they
>were talking in terms of black boxes; the theoriticians didn't yet have a
>machine (computer), so they would refer to a black box where a deamon would
>recide, and the deamon would always perform the function desired (programmed).

I remember either reading or being told that that word daemon used to
describe a continuously available background process came from the phrase
"printer's daemon".  When manually operated presses were the state of the
art for printing, printers would have a helper, usually a teenage boy, for
doing odd jobs, freeing up the expert's time for more important tasks.
Such a person was called (for whatever reason, I don't recall that being
explained) a printer's daemon.  Hence the name of background processes that
free up human time from mundane jobs like routing network packets for more
important pursuits, like writing game software.  :-)
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: carter@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Carter Bennett)
Subject: Re: AWK or PERL: which is better?
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:48:21 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

Ahoy, Bruce!

In article <1992Sep28.085557.6092@cfa160.harvard.edu> bruce@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Bruce Sams) writes:
>
>After some experimenting with awk (I have just downloaded perl from MIT)
>I am now at the cross roads: which one of these languages is "better", and
>which should I learn?  

Depends.  

awk is wonderful.  Extremely handy.  Part of standard Unix system.  Always
there when you need it.

Perl is wonderful.  More than just awk++.  Unfortunatly, not part of standard
Unix distribution.  MUCH more flexible/capable than awk, but not everywhere.

I suggest: Learn awk.  Everything you learn there will be used in Perl.
Then learn Perl and use it often.  Both are better than one of them.
Also, subscribe to comp.lang.perl.  It probably won't make sense at first,
but as time passes, you'll discover that you understand it.

Most of all.  Enjoy them both. 

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Xref: sparky comp.unix.questions:11705 comp.unix.programmer:4845 comp.sys.hp:11197
From: raymond@quaker.uucp (Raymond C. Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.programmer,comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: WARNING and question for users of ar(1)
Summary: Use tar(1) to substitute ar(1)
Keywords: HP ar
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:49:04 GMT
Reply-To: raymond@quaker.UUCP (Raymond C. Leung)
Followup-To: comp.sys.hp
Organization: Quaker Oats Company, Jackson, TN, USA

In article <smr.717348587@hitkw14> you write:
>we have recently struck a problem with HP's ar(1) command running
              : : :
     [text deleted for brevity]
              : : :
>Disk space is not the problem, but the length of the file name appears
>to be!
              : : :
     [text deleted for brevity]
              : : :
>Has anyone else had this problem??

Yes, I have encountered the same problem two years ago and my
work-around was to cd to the directory of the file to do ar and then
mv the archive to the directory I wanted it ot be.

>Also we have noticed that only the first 14 characters are kept inside
>the archive, which means that archiving two .o files with the same
>first 14 characters will result in the loss of the first one!!!

Yes, I had that problem too.  I had to use short filenames to avoid
that problem and, later on, I decided not to use ar at all.

>is there anyone that can help??
>at last count we have over 1000 files (and growing) all adhering to a
>naming convention, we really don't want to have to rename them
>(if at all possible).

Try to use tar instead of ar.  Use tar by supplying your archive file
name instead of the device file name of your tape drive.  I use tar 
to archive my stuff a lot and do not have any problem so far.

>thanks in advance

Hope that would help.

>Stephen Riehm

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From: rnewman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rick Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Okay ... I have a question ...
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:30:56 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.


So, here's my question:  If I have access to a unix machine via
direct link, and that machine has a 19200 baud modem on it that
I want to take advantage of, "What is the unix command and 
syntax that will allow me to use that modem from the shell?"
To tell you the truth, I know VERY LITTLE about unix (as you all
can no doubt tell), and would like to take advantage of the
high speed modem if possible.

So, what think ye' all??
From: lee@ceg.uiuc.edu (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: File_Creation_Time
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:50:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: ceg.lee.718300226
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


>Only if they can rewrite the kernel.  Creation is a myth, you know.  You
>can only know when files were last read (atime), written (mtime), or had
>their metadata (ctime) altered.  On some brain-damaged systems, you can't
>even tell whether something was written without having it marked as also
>being read, i.e. mtime updates also update atime.

Under Apollo Domain/OS, you CAN know all this with /com/ld -d.


sample...

  date/time       date/time       date/time
   created        modified          used        name

91/04/13.19:28  92/09/09.13:34  92/10/01.10:00  .Xdefaults
92/08/27.10:32  92/08/27.10:33  92/10/05.09:45  .alias
92/01/30.17:51  92/06/01.09:24  92/10/05.09:45  .cshrc
92/06/08.14:32  92/06/08.14:33  92/09/23.19:49  .emacs
92/07/22.14:56  92/07/22.14:57  92/10/05.09:13  .forward
91/04/14.14:35  92/07/31.12:55  92/10/01.09:14  .login
92/06/15.08:17  92/06/15.08:18  92/10/05.09:44  .mailrc
92/07/23.14:54  92/07/23.14:55  92/10/04.13:52  .netrc
91/04/15.13:15  91/04/15.13:25  92/09/23.19:49  .twmrc

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From: exumfox@exu.ericsson.se (Mike Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: What does 'daemon' mean?
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:11:25 GMT
Reply-To: exumfox@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson in North America.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Trivia from "hell"... 

  The word "daemon" is derived from an ancient Greek concept of a 
  "personal daemon" which is similar to a "guardian angel". 

  "eudaemonia" - the state of being helped or protected by a kindly spirit.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,biz.sco.general
From: kgermann@zeos.com (Ken Germann)
Subject: CISCO Routers, Inet, and SCO 3.2.4
Organization: Zeos International, Ltd
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 18:05:09 GMT
Keywords: CISCO ZEOS SCO


Does anyone have information on getting CISCO routers to work with SCO Unix
3.2.4 and TCP/IP? I am looking for some info on how "difficult" it is to 
hook up the CISCO router and CSU/DSU modem for a 56k link to MRNET or Alternet.
Please reply via e-mail, Phone or Snail Mail. 


I am trying to get all the information on connecting direct to the net via
MRNET. I have the Info on MRNET, Alternet, and CISCO info is coming. The only
base I need to cover is configuring Mail, News, FTP, and Telenet. 

I would like information also on limiting the number of connections for 
FTP and Telnet.

Any and All information on this would be appreciated. Also, opinions on
MRNET and Alternet are welcome as well. MRNET seems cheaper.



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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: seaney@engr.wisc.edu
Subject: Re: Temporary /dev/audio shutoff, how?
Organization: Univ of Wisconsin Madison
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:58:45 CDT

In article <BHAG.92Sep30160117@etn.etn.ericsson.se> bhag@etn.ericsson.se
(Boerge Haga 2634) writes:
>Is there any way to shut of the audio device on a Sparcstation temporarily
>without beeing root?
>

I may be wrong but...

Depending on how your system is configured you may be able to change the 
permissions of /dev/audio to 700.  A trick I've used before is to use the
same program that changes the ownership of /dev/console to change the
ownership of the audio file.  My memory is hazy though.  Perhaps someone
else can fill in the blanks.

STeve
From: KOSARZYCKI@pp.oinov.poz.edu.pl
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Request to the list
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:00:48 GMT

Hi,
can You subscribe me to the UNIX list ?
Chris


Technical University of Poznan,
Faculty of Electrical Engineering,
Department of Control, Robotics and Computer Science
Computer Science Laboratories
60-965 Poznan
ul.  pl. Sklodowskiej-Curie 5

    Krzysztof (Chris) Kosarzycki
    e-mail : krzys@oippuxv.poz.edu.pl (Internet)
             KKOS@PLPUAM11.Bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: dcullen@eng.clemson.edu (david cullen)
Subject: Re: BEGINNER Q.: redirection and awk?
Keywords: cd,prompt,path,pwd
Reply-To: dcullen@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:31:30 GMT

I hate asking this, but i've forgotten how to do it in unix.

How can I get my working directory to show up in my prompt?



Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: General solution to "arg list too long"
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:13:13 GMT

In <1992Sep25.163521.8720@wlbr.iipo.gtegsc.com> amc@WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM (Allen M. Cohen) writes:

:What can be done when the expanded arg list is too long for the shell.
:I'm using ISC Unix 3.0 with ksh (version 06/03/86a -- an older version).

:A typical error message is:  "/bin/sed: arg list too long"

Xargs is designed to help in cases like this, but it's not
useable in all cases.
	find . -type f -print | xargs grep pattern /dev/null

will find all files under the current directory and grep for the
specified pattern (the /dev/null entry makes sure that all calls
have two files so the file name will appear on each line).

Bill
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From: dave@chem.psu.edu (Dave Hartsough)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: how to do tape to tape transfer ???
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:54:41 GMT


     The subject line sort of says it all.  I have a tape with 
several (5) records stored on it and would like to back it up.  I can
put the records on disk one at a time (takes a while since each record
is ~300-500 Mb) and then use tar to back them up on another tape, but I'd 
like to do a direct tape to tape copy.  If I have two tape drives is there
any way I can redirect the files that are extracted from one tape drive 
so that they will be put onto the other. Thanks in advance for any help.

David Hartsough
dave@bogosity.chem.psu.edu
Department of Chemistry
Penn State University
From: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: global finger
Date: 30 Sep 1992 19:13:00 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu
Originator: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu

Is there a way of fingering everybody at a site?  (ie.  finger*@spool.mu.edu)?

Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi)
Subject: Re: non-interactive shell by email
Organization: ACAL, EECS, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:15:50 GMT

Stefan Monnier (osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
: 
: What about the login procedure and especially the password ?
: I wouldn't dare sending my password by email !

Hmm... the mail message can incorporate an x-header that has some kind of
information that the shell uses to authenticate the sender of the mail
message/shell script (but definitely not the user's password). Hopefully,
this service (the mail-shell) is not going to be advertised, so the
probability of intrusion will be very small, since no one knows about
it except the sys admin and the (trusted?) users. 

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From: chris@ctmnix.UUCP (Chris Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Hidden (invisible) files
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:15:36 GMT
Reply-To: chris@ctmnix.UUCP (Chris Matthews)
Organization: Underground Nixbox Creations

In article <1992Oct4.020557.13568@nmsu.edu> rscott@spock.NMSU.Edu (Joseph Good) writes:
>
>
>Is there a way to make files invisible?
>
>Where they have all the normal permissions, but you just can't
>see them with a 'dir' or an 'ls'???
>
well..have you fondled with (.)filename or (.)directoryname, yet?

chris
From: colm@mathcs.emory.edu (Colm Mulcahy)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: How DOES sed interpret  \  at the end of a line?
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:22:48 GMT
Organization: sometimes, but never early in the morning


=--------------------------------------------------------------------------=
I'm trying to do a series of search and replaces inside a long sed program,
(to prepare for TeX), there is a problem which I have isolated in this one
line example.

I'm new to sed, so please be patient if this is a silly question!   Please
email if you can help, thanks.
=--------------------------------------------------------------------------=


How *does* sed interperet \ at the end of a line?

I was hoping it would think the line continued, 
until the first line withOUT \ at the end.

However, the following one line sed program file:

(called pppp)


s/IT\(.*\)$/{\\it \1}/


applied to the file

(called ffff)



IT     blah1\
       blah2\
       blah3


(invoked by typing 

sed -f pppp ffff > dump)

yielded this file dump:


{\it   blah1\}
       blah2\
       blah3


when i was hoping to get:

{\it   blah1\
       blah2\
       blah3}

(which, in TeX, would have the effect of putting the three lines in italic)


I've tried changing the sed program file from:

s/IT\(.*\)$/{\\it \1}/

to

s/IT\(.*$\)/{\\it \1}/

or even 

s/IT\(.*\)/{\\it \1}/

neither gives the desired effect



what am I missing?  Basically, I am trying to write a sed program file
that will put certain paragraphs (whose beginnings are flagged with IT) 
inside TeX italic, as in {\it PARAGRAPH}.  

email please, thanks.

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From: huang2@husc10.harvard.edu (Howard Huang)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Common Object Format File
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:00:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.HUANG2.92Sep30130035
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com's message of 28 Sep 92 19:36:54 GMT


murphy@rock.enet.dec.com writes:

   Does anyone know of a good reference on COFF files.  

O'Reilly and Associates has a book called "Understanding and Using
COFF."  Their phone number is 800-998-9938.


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From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Hidden (invisible) files
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:07:52 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1992Oct04.211511.187@Celestial.COM> rayj@Celestial.COM (Ray Jones) writes:
 > In <1992Oct4.020557.13568@nmsu.edu> rscott@spock.NMSU.Edu (Joseph Good) writes:
 > >Is there a way to make files invisible?
 > 
 > >Where they have all the normal permissions, but you just can't
 > >see them with a 'dir' or an 'ls'???
 > 
 > The normal way to do this is to start the file name with a "."
As you mention you can see them with "ls -a".  So I do not think this is
what the requester wants.  When you really want that files are accessible
only if the user knows the exact name of the file there is a way: put
them in a subdirectory where group and others have execute permission
only.  (Read permission on a directory reveals the names of the files,
execute permission allows access to the files in it.  So you can not do
ls or wild card expansion, but you can access with the correct name if
you have execute permission only.)
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From: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Help with NEWS (or XRN) on UNIX !!!!
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:12:35 GMT

Hello UNIX "Gurus":

	I am a novice at using the UNIX system so maybe my question might
be a little simple. 

	I am having trouble with the "netnews" (newsgroups)! I can "read"
or "save" the articles from a given newsgroup but cannot seem to avail the
other options like "post", "followup", "reply", "forward" etc. !!! 
We are using ULTRIX Version 4.2 (I think) and the command to get onto the
news is "XRN". Now whenever I give that command, "XRN&", it brings up
the newsgroups BUT it also gives an error message that:

	"Application defaults file not installed"
	"Some XRN functionality may be missing"
	"Current Applications default version: 4.14" (not sure of the #)
	"Current XRN version: 4.17"

Now it seems to me that *some* default file named "Applications" is missing
which is responsible for all this mischief, but I am not sure.

And yes! I *did* contact the "consultants" of our computing services about
this matter and they could not "come-up" with any valid reason for the
non-functionality of some XRN commands! <that's what they said! Maybe they
had other "important" problems to take care of>. We are currently using
DECStations 2100 and 3100 and it's the same with every machine! Not even
a single user has ever tried to find out why we can't post/reply etc the
articles from our ULTRIX accounts!! 

HELP!!!!!! I decided to pose this question here in the hope that maybe
someone in "UNIX-land" could suggest something....

Please send your suggestions directly to me at:

	rajain@sml3.ecs.umass.edu
    or  rajain@ecs.umass.edu
and if there are enuff responses which help me clearing this problem, I'll
post a summary of the reason and the cure later on.

Thanks in advance,

	Rajat Jain.

PS: In order to post *this* article, I have to use my VAX/VMS account.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions