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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:58:52 -0500 
From: Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: fonts and nisus

i'm using nisus 3.06 on a 2ci 8/230 with cache card, nothing in the
nubus, and i've got all the truetype fonts that come with the the
system (7.01 with tuneup 1.1.1) intalled, but no non truetype fonts

when i look at the font menu in nisus it has the fonts plus "mystery
font xxxxxx" where xxxxxxx is a number which i don't recall
then below it there is a greyed out selection menu item called
something like yxl

what is going on here?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: robert@world.std.com (Robert Sadowski)
Subject: Re: The real reason Apple is now charging for system software
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:35:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.054744.13230@u.washington.edu> tamara@glia.biostr.washington.edu (tiny t) writes:
>One of the incentives for buying my 486 was the fact that I got
>	Windows for free

And when you buy a Mac, you get System 7 for free. People are mad because
they have to pay for upgrades, not for the first copy of their OS. I
highly doubt that Bill & Co. will be giving out the next version of Windows
for free.

==
Robert Sadowski
robert@world.std.com


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: kaufman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Suitcase II 1.2.12 and Sys 7.1
Reply-To: kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:34:55 GMT

achernar@aix00.csd.unsw.OZ.AU (Brono Gatea) writes:

>By now it is known that Suitcase II is incompatible with System 7.1. Is an
>upgrade in the works (a free upgrade that is)?

Well, maybe 1.2.12 is incompatible, but I upgraded to 2.1.1 a few weeks ago.
As I remember the cost was nominal.  2.1.1 works fine with 7.1

-- 
Marc Kaufman (kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jackb@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jack Brindle)
Subject: Re: How do I install 7.1 on my 800k SE?
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:19:55 GMT

In article <1dcmh9INN9c0@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> craig@ec.uwa.oz.au (Craig Richmond - division) writes:
>Christopher Khoury <34I2NYW@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>
>>Hi, I was wondering how i can intall SYstem {_7.1 on my old Mac Se?
>
>Take your mac to an appletalk network and install it that way.

There are two Sys 7.1 installer disk sets. One uses HD floppies, the other
800K devices. Try using the 800K variety. I bet your Apple dealer can supply
these (or at least Apple's new mail-order service should).


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==========================================================
Jack Brindle
ham radio: wa4fib
internet: jackb@mdd.comm.mot.com
From: howarth@med.uth.tmc.edu (Jack W. Howarth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: MODE32 and System 7.1 revisited
Summary: New information on MODE32 and Mac II series machines under System 7.1
Keywords: MODE32 System 7.1 32 bit addressing VM Virtual Memory Mac II SE/30
Date: 10 Nov 1992 22:19:07 GMT


     I called Connectix today and asked again about MODE32 and System 7.1.
After explaining that I had been using it without any problem with VM and
32 bit addressing on an SE/30 as had others, I was told the following.
They have never actually seen the susposed incompatiblity with VM and 32
bit addressing under MODE32 and System 7.1 in house at Connectix. They also
had not heard of problems with Mac SE/30s. However, they had had calls
about Mac II's which seem to be fixed by moving the NuBus cards around.
Also, it is a do or die problem that will either crop up immediately or
not at all. The bottom line appears to be if you have an SE/30 don't
worry. If you have a Mac II or IIx, try it and if it bombs move a card or
two around. The Apple system enabler apparently won't be out until 1st
quarter 93. 
                       Jack

--
Jack W. Howarth, Ph.D.                      Univ. of Texas Medical School
Research Fellow                                            P.O. Box 20708 
Department of Biochemistry                           Houston, Texas 77225      
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore)
Subject: Re: Upgrading Mac SE Floppy to High Density
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:07:58 GMT

In article <199211112117.AA08553@europa.eng.gtefsd.com> stewart@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (Brad Stewart) writes:
>I am interested in upgrading a Mac SE with a low density floppy drive to a 
>high density floppy drive and have been told that I can not do it.  I can't 
>beleive that and so I thought I would ask you for suggestions.  Please reply 
>either by E-Mail or post to this group as I will scan both. Any help would be 
>greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks in Advance,
>
>Brad Stewart
>GTE Federal Systems.
>
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:41:33 EST
From: <CADER@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: 1-800 number for Apple 7.1 upgrade?

What is the 800 number for the system 7.1 upgrade.  I couldn't find it
in the FAQ or in announce.  Thanks.
From: judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Sleep
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:23:39 GMT

Does anyone know where I could find, or does anyone have a 'sleep'
application which controls sleep time independent of the Powerbook
being plugged in or running on battery power?  In other words, I
would like my Powerbook to go to sleep when it is plugged in (so
as to save the screen) but have it go to sleep in a shorter amount
of time when it is plugged in without having to switch the sleep
controller back and forth everytime I unplug it and plug it back in.
Furthermore, when it is plugged in, 15 minutes until sleep is too
short.


--

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: I have 7.1, so what now????
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:21:10 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

In article <howarth.720992053@proto>, howarth@med.uth.tmc.edu (Jack W.
Howarth) wrote:
> 
> 
>   I just installed System 7.1 on my SE/30 after removing MODE32 (sigh). I was
> surprised to find that the complete 7.1 package didn't contain WorldScript
> I and II extensions (although it did have At Ease).
>   What I want to know now is what is the likely release dates for...
>          QuickDraw GX
>          AppleScript
>          New Print Architecture
>          MODE32 system enabler
> Also, does anyone have any idea what each of these will cost? I hope they'll
> all be unbundled from 7.1 as I am tired of paying for 7.x releases (2 so far).

QD GX and the New Print Architecture are supposed to come out at the same
time (probably during the first quarter of 1993).  AppleScript will
probably be released around that time also, but might be later--depending
upon which rumor mill you believe.  I have no idea when/if a 32-bit system
enabler will be released.

I got my information, such as it is, from trade sources, such as MacWeek,
and have no idea of the reliability of the information.      

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: em@cs.brown.edu (Evan Mair)
Subject: HELP! Should I bother with 7.1?
Summary: Why should I bother?
Keywords: 7.1
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:20:38 GMT

Well, I recently "stole" a copy of System 7.1 from my friend who got a
PB160. I performed the installation on my external HD as to not ruin
my 7.0.1 w/tune-up.  I have a SE with 4 megs of RAM, internal 20, and
external 20 and 40. I run file-sharing all the time (a localtalk
network) and don't have any needs beyond Word, White Knight, and the
occasional game or two.

Well, after playing with it for a while and testing it with some
inits, etc, I truly can't figure why I should use it!!! The System
uses 300+ more K than 7.0.1, and I am limited to having my fonts in
one directory. Yes, things are cleaner, and nicer, but it certainly
doesn't seem much different. 

As well, when I went back to 7.0.1, I found out all my sharing setups
were gone and thus had to go back and re-set them ALL.. ugh...
Although the Users & Groups file seems to be compatable with 7.1 (so I
can use the same passwords, etc), I am not sure if I would eventually
have problems.

Well, to my point: Should I bother switching to 7.1, or stick with
7.0.1? Any advice is appreciated.

Evan


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: rmf@chopin.cs.columbia.edu (Robert M. Fuhrer)
Subject: MinSystem Installer [Was Re: Booting System 7 without the Finder?]
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Columbia Univ.
	<1992Nov4.115230.3752@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:14:36 GMT

Speaking of MinSystem Installer, anyone know whether it will reduce a System
7.0 System folder so that it will fit on an 800k floppy? I'm one of those poor
souls who still has no HDFD drives...

Also, it seems to require Installer 3.3, and I have both a much older version
and the 3.4 version from ftp.apple.com. Is there a way around this, or,
alternatively, where can I get version 3.3?

--

-- Bob
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu (Pete Resnick)
Subject: Re: System 6 and 7 Desktop
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:56:55 GMT

kfb2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Keenan Brock) writes:

>Is there a way to tell System 6 to use the System 7 desktop?

Use the Desktop Manager.

>Why has Desktop Manager dissapeared off the face of the internet?

It is available as part of Oscar, which is in the dts/mac/hacks
directory on ftp.apple.com.

pr
-- 
Pete Resnick             (...so what is a mojo, and why would one be rising?)
Graduate assistant - Philosophy Department, Gregory Hall, UIUC
System manager - Cognitive Science Group, Beckman Institute, UIUC
Internet: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu
From: fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Applications on Multiple Volumes
Date: 12 Nov 92 08:08:42 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

sek@rigel.cc.bellcore.com (Spencer Kantor) writes:
> Is there any way to force a file to launch a particular copy of an
> application if there are copies of that application on more than one
> mounted volume?

i had this problem when i had 2 versions of word, one of which i had
hacked with resedit, and it was always loading the other one, which i
was keeping around for purposes of having my original non hacked
version around just in case

so i put word in a top level directory i called zarchives, and rebuilt
the desktop, and it worked fine

so what i figure is, when it starts the mac, it mounts each drive in
order, and as each drive is mounted, it scans the folders
alphabetically for applications to run

so something based on those rules should make things easier
like if you can rename a bunch of folders with letters like x y and z
at the beginning, and thenthe regular name afterwards
assuming you can do something like that...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: summeral@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SUMMERALL  ELMINA LANIER)
Subject: PD/Shareware way to mount or read DOS floppies?
Summary: I don't care about conversion, just want to get a file.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:17:38 GMT


The superdrive doesn't seem so super considering it seems that you must
purchase additional software like DOS Mounter in order to read DOS disks.

Is there any cheap way to do this?

Thanks,

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: davidm@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (David Morgenstern)
Subject: Re: System Heap Woes!! Help Please!!
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:59:38 GMT

In article <keith-101192142607@kip-16.taligent.com> keith@taligent.com (Keith Rollin) writes:
>This reminds me of The Night Two DTS Engineers Went Stupid. Several years
>ago, I was trying to track down the same thing: why was my system heap so
>damn big? I laboriously unloaded and loaded INITs and rebooted, keeping
>careful track of how much memory each INIT used up. After stripping my
>system down to the bones, my heap was still larger than what I expected.
[lots of deleted searching and testing done that night...]
>...it was the RAM cache.

I like these kind of stories. I remember a few years ago sitting in
someone else's office trying to get some important work done. The
hard drive attached to the Mac SE would not mount. I tried every
kind of utility over and over -- nothing would bring the drive to
the desktop. I finally checked the cable. It had fallen out.
Duhhhh!

daviD
-- 
 David Morgenstern, BMUG CheerLeader davidm@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
    "Miracles do occur - but they rarely provide food." 
         --  Talmud: Shabbat, 53b
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: world
From: Darren_E._Tong@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:46:47 EST
Subject: Re: MinSystem Installer [Was Re: Booting System 7 without the Finder?]

Speaking of MinSystem Installer, anyone know whether it will reduce a System
7.0 System folder so that it will fit on an 800k floppy? I'm one of those poor
souls who still has no HDFD drives...

Yes it will make a system that will fit on an 800 and even allow enough space
to put speed disk on- try it!
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From: mlevins@metz.une.edu.au (Martin Levins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: QuickTime 1.5 conflicts with File sharing
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:34:12 GMT
Reply-To: mlevins@metz.une.edu.au
Originator: mlevins@metz.une.edu.au

From article <2NOV199217030357@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>, by kayser@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Susan E. Kayser NSSDC/STX (301)513-1673):
> Lat week I asked for help getting my Mac to boot, now that I've replaced 
> QuickTime 1.0 with 1.5.  Since then, I've retrieved the file from sumex again, 
> put it on a floppy with DiskCopy and reinstalled it--no luck.  The Mac
> continued to freeze after putting up all the icons opening the windows and
> showing the menu bar--just before opening my startup application.  Trying
> Cmd-opt-esc at this point gave me a dialog box referring to File Sharing, which
> I had turned on.  I turned off File Sharing, and the Mac booted perfectly. 
> Then I tried to turn it back on, and got a freeze right after clicking Start. 
> So the conflict is located, but how can I get them both to work?  I'm using

I'm not sure that you have isolated the problem.

I'm using Quicktime 1.5 and have file sharing enabled, same system config as
you (on a Quadra 70) and experience no problems

Martin
From: jrf@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: MacX problem
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:49:42 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

A user at our site has just got a copy of MacX to run on his MacIIcx under
System 7. Unfortunately, he is getting the following error message
when he tries to start the terminal emulator xterm on any of our UNIX
machines :-
	The command "...." could not be executed via the tool MacTCP.
	Creation of the remote command stream failed.

	The connection came up halfway and then failed.

The mac has extra memory installed so shortage of memory is unlikely to
be the cause of the problem.
Unfortunately the MacX manuals are not all that helpful in this case.
Everything seems ok at the Mac end - MacTCP is fine since the user has
been using Eudora and Telnet for ages.
There's probably something wrong on the UNIX side but so far I've failed
to find anything.
The Mac is on ethernet and communicates via a GatorBox.

Has anyone experienced similar difficulties or can suggest remedies ?

				John Firth
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: QT 15. won't load
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:14:01 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

In article <1992Nov01.171946.292300@magicbb.uucp>,
Maury_S._Markowitz@magicbb.uucp wrote:
> 
> 
>   I'm running QT 1.5 on my IIcx and 7.1beta4.  On loading QT, I get dumped into
> MacsBug.  I've tried turing off ALL my inits/cdev's, but no such luck.  Any
> ideas anyone?  I can provide a stack crawl if anyone is interested.
> 
> Maury@SoftArc.COM

Try using the release version of 7.1, Maury.  That might solve your
problem.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore)
Subject: Re: trying to solve Suitcase problems... [was Re: Suitcase II...]
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:19:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.121740.22133@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>:
>
> achernar@aix00.csd.unsw.OZ.AU (Brono Gatea) writes:>
>>> By now it is known that Suitcase II is incompatible with
>>> System 7.1. Is an upgrade in the works (a free upgrade that
>>> is)?
>
>> You need Suitcase 2.1.2 for System 7 (they've dropped the >
>> "II" designation). I believe it's free if you have paid for
>> Suitcase 2.0 or later; it's something like $25 if you have to
>> upgrade from Suitcase II 1.2.x.
>
>I have been having a severe problem with Suitcase 2.1.2 also. 
>With Suitcase 2.1.2 installed, I get a 100% consistent system 
>crash (bus error) when attempting to print. The crash occurs 
>as soon as the Mac makes contact with the printer.
>
>I run a IIcx and went so far as to remove ALL Non-7.1 
>(Apple's) inits & Cdevs from 7.1 (except LaserWriter driver) 
>to see if there was a conflict.
>
>With all of these removed, printing proceeded perfectly. With 
>*ONLY* Suitcase 2.1.2 installed (and LaserWriter driver), 
>crashes occurred 100% of the time.
>
>I've gone through all the usual gyrations of replacing the 
>extensions one at a time and in groups with no success. Also 
>tried dropping back to LaserWriter driver 7.1.1. No success.
>
>If anyone has any insight into this, or has been having this 
>problem with Suitcase 2.1.2, I would be grateful for any info 
>you might be able to supply. E-mail preferred.
>
>Bill Tsarones
>sctsar@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov

Where are the fonts located that you are opening?
Suitcase 2.1.2 should come with a warning that fonts that are opened
in the Fonts Folder should not be open with Suitcase. If you're not sure,
drag all of your fonts out (preferably into another folder), then go to
Suitcase, close them (if necessary), and remove them from the group (by
using Cut or Clear). Then put them back into the Fonts Folder.

My suggestion (which kinda defeats the purpose of the Fonts folder) is to
create a PostScript Fonts folder, and move the PostScript Fonts and their
bitmaps into them, then Open them with Suitcase. (It gets around that
nasty 128-font file limit in the Font Folder, too...)

Hope this helps!
Jay (=
From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Suitcase II 1.2.12 and Sys 7.1
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 08:19:51 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
Reply-To: erics@infoserv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


howie@intermec.com (Howard Kaplan x1696) writes:

> More 128 font suitcases are not allowed in the new Fonts Folder.  So if you
> have more than 128 fonts (without Suitcase) you will need Font/DA mover 4.1
> (I thought we didn't need that nasty anymore!) to combine fonts into fewer
> than 128 suitcase.

You don't *need* Font/DA Mover. You can create an empty suitcase by
making a copy of an existing one and dragging all the fonts out of it,
then dragging the fonts you want into it.

-----
Eric Smith
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610
From: stewart@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (Brad Stewart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Upgrading Mac SE Floppy to High Density
Date: 11 Nov 1992 15:17:30 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I am interested in upgrading a Mac SE with a low density floppy drive to a 
high density floppy drive and have been told that I can not do it.  I can't 
beleive that and so I thought I would ask you for suggestions.  Please reply 
either by E-Mail or post to this group as I will scan both. Any help would be 
greatly appreciated.

Thanks in Advance,

Brad Stewart
GTE Federal Systems.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: lewis@netcom.com (David Lewis)
Subject: Re: how do I print a PostScript file
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:31:01 GMT

wjk@Phonogenic.COM (Bill Keenan) writes:

>Suppose I have a PostScript file created by selecting "PostScript File"
>as the destination in the print dialog or one of the ".ps" documents
>found on many ftp servers. How do I print them from my Mac to a
>PostScript laser printer (e.g. LaserWriter IIg)? I have tried inserting
>the file into a new Word 5 document, select all, change the style to
>PostScript, and print, but that just gets me a "not enough memory"
>alert using a 2 MB partition.

There is a PD desk accessory called "PS Printer" written by one Scott
Gillespie @ Reed College. I got it off CompuServe years ago, but it
still seems to work. Hope this helps.

-- 
David Lewis	lewis@netcom.com	(408) 439-2374
From: crk5@vms.cis.pitt.edu (Chris Kunselman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Syquest cartridges/sharing
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:57:37 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I have a Syquest drive attached to a IIsi running System 7.01.  Cartridges
are formatted with SilverLining 5.33.  If I mount a cartridge after the
computer is already booted, I can't share the Syquest volume.  If I reboot
the computer, then I can share the volume.

Does anybody know why this is happening?

Thank you,

Chris Kunselman
crk5@vms.cis.pitt.edu
University of Pittsburgh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: englhq@rosie.uh.edu (Franklet, Duane L.)
Subject: Re: forcing Desktop rebuild (on file server)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:22:00 GMT

In article <1crp31INN6n3@mathj.usc.edu>, bruck@mathj.usc.edu (Ronald Bruck) writes...
>In article <1992Oct30.054331.10582@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore) writes:
>>Supposedly, APple's method of deleting the desktop can, in rare cases,
>>corrupt the desktop files. Desktop rebuild is suppodely safer. 
>>Also, the System 7.x methoed will not delete any lingering 6.0.x desktop
>>files and vice versa; Desktop Reset will...
>>
>>Hope this helps!
>>Jay (=
>>
> 
I traced back through this discussion of desktop rebuilding, but I'd
like to know if these utilities work for file servers as well. From a
6.0.x machine, I can still use the old command-option, and then I'm
prompted to rebuild the desktop for the file server. That doesn't
seem to work when I'm on a System 7 machine. Is there a new trick to
this w/ 7.0?

Thanks for your suggestions.

Duane Franklet
englhq@jetson.uh.edu