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From: jenk@cs.umd.edu (Suleyman Sahinalp)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: dogumgunu
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:36:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

Herhalde bu newsgrubu takip edenler arasinda Funda'yi taniyan bir 20-30
kisi vardir. Diger sct okurlardan ozur dileyerek sozunu ettigimiz 20-30
kisiye sesleniyoruz:
              10 Nisan Funda'nin dogumgunuydu...
(Funda, umarim kizarmadin)
From: HQ.GGG@FORSYTHE.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: gizli adla yazili olanlar
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:21:19 GMT
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BITNET@forsythe.Stanford.EDU>

Asagida soyadlari yazili trknws-l uyeleri listede adlarini gizli
yapmislar.

Bu bizlere gucluk cikarmakta. (trknws-l sahibi gizlide olsa adlari
gorebilmekte.)

Listede adlarinizi okunur hale getirebilir misiniz?

Bunun icin signoff komutunu verip yine ayni e-mail ile subscribe
kumutunu da gonderebilirsiniz.
Gondereceginiz yer: listserv@uscvm.bitnet
Komutlar          : signoff trknws-l
                    subscribe trknws-l adiniz soyadiniz

trknws-l yoneticisi

(Yukaridaki yazi trh@mcimail.com'dan gonderilmistir. Yanitlarinizi
ayni adrese gonderin...)

To:  TRKNWS-L@USCVM
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From: nsg0604@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Naci Saglam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Ne Oldu???????
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:21:23 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

<E55940@TRMETU.BITNET> writes:

>Neden uzun bir suredirSCT de hic makale yok????
 Aslinda cok hos makaleler var. Uzun yorucu bir gunun sonunda soyle bir cay
demleyip bilgisayar parcasinin [bizim ofisteki bu tipten de] karsisina gecip
nesemizi bulup ayni zamanda bir tasla iki kus vurup, bilgimizi de artiriyoruz
degil mi?
Valla bu SCT cok hos bir grup, GIRGIR falan haltetmis. Acaba xGIRGIR in yazar-cizer-bozarlari buraya mi tasindi. Tabii memleket memleket deyip cok "nutuk atip"
sonra da buralarin "pis emperyalist/fasist/gomonist AmArika'ya gelip sonra da
who cares" diyen sevgili "yoldas"lar ve so-called [ben de SCT deki entellerin modasina uyayim dedim oyle bir iddiam yok ama..] vatanseverler ya da "milliyetciler" sayesinde biz de neyin ne kimin ne oldugunu daha iyi gorebilme olanagina sahip oluyoruz.


>selamlar,
Benden de selamlar + sevgiler    
>Gakkos
	Naci
PS. IYI BIR MAKALE OLABILDI MI BILMIYORUM. Caylari tazelemeyi de unutmayalim.
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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: 'Milson' Is Combining Moral Arrogance With Historical Ignorance.
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:59:43 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University

>>>>> "Mutlu" == hbm  (hbm@ddsw1.UUCP)

Mutlu> <1992Apr10.152618.14509@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>

Mutlu>  Let me guess, you are an intellectual sociopath, indifferent
Mutlu> to truth, perhaps just another propagandist frozen in the 1970s
Mutlu> like a fly in amber, combining moral arrogance with historical
Mutlu> ignorance.

Well, Hasan, you're improving. Not at all at the level of Oleg or
Mikhail, but still, the above is pretty hilarious. Good flow, the odd
obscure word, surreal accusations. Keep it up and you really might
make it to the "flaming-as-art" class.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat  Dogan)
Subject: Dunya'da Turkiye -findik- (Rakamlarla Turkiye)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:53:15 GMT

 
devam-Dunya'da Turkiye
 
Findik, incir ve kuru uzum uretimleri
 
Uretim   Yillar  1935   1940    1950    1960    1970    1980    1985    1990
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
         Dunya      -      -      82     117     388     400     414     493
Findik (bin ton)  
         Turkiye   56     38      26      58     255     250     180     392
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
         Dunya    230    220     200     129     136      99      96      91
Incir  (bin ton)
         Turkiye   34     50      51      58      53      52      55      47
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
         Dunya    330    305     370     457     445     737     737     685
Kuru Uzum(bin ton)
         Turkiye   70     35      65      80      99     108     125     138
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
* Dunya'da ulkemizin payi 1950 yilinda findik icin %31, Incir icin %25, ve
  kuru uzum icin %17 idi.
 
* Payimiz 1990 yilinda ise findikta % 79, incirde % 51 ve kuru uzumde %20
  olmustur.
 
* Bu urunler ulkemiz tariminin genel klasik ihrac mallaridir.
  
 
Saygilarimla,
ismet
 
              Millete efendilik yoktur. Hadimlik vardir.Bu millete hizmet
              eden onun efendisidir.
                                                     Mustafa Kemal, 1921
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Turks Were Slaughtered Like Animals Next To The Holes.
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:29:00 GMT


<koj91eINNjsm@girtab.usc.edu>
perkon@girtab.usc.edu (Perikles Konstantinides)

>I wanna get laid"..... 
>Finance, USC

Source: Veysel Eroglu, "Ermeni Mezalimi," Sebil Yayinevi, Istanbul, 
        1978.

pp. 169-170.

 'Osmanli Ordusu sehri kurtardiginda Kilise Meydaninin civarindaki 
  harabe ve arsalarin Ermeniler tarafindan katledilen muslumanlarin 
  cesetleriyle tiklim tiklim dolu oldugunu gorduk. Erzincan ahalisinin 
  takriben %90'ini coluk, cocuk, kadin ve ihtiyar demeden katlettiler. 
  %10'u ancak mucize eseri kurtulabildi.'

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.nordic
From: armagan@PRC.Unisys.COM (Armagan Ozdinc)
Subject: International friendly game: Turkey-Denmark
Organization: Paramax Systems
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:58:12 GMT

Date: April 8, 1992
Place: Ankara, Turkey

 Turkey: 2  Denmark: 1
  Hami
  Hakan

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 ARMAGAN A. OZDINC
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorists Were Involved, 'igc.org.terror.'
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:06:00 GMT


<1475100112@igc.org>
pnmideast@igc.org

>/* Written  4:04 pm  Jan 13, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
>Copyright Inter Press Service 1991, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
>print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.


Source:	Feigl, Eric: "A Myth of Terror: Armenian Extremism, its causes 
	and its historical context", 1986, pp. 124-138

	Armenian Terrorism - A Chronological Run-down
	=============================================

69)	December 30,1980 - Beirut
	Bomb attack on the Credit-Suisse offices. ASALA and "October 3"
	claim responsibility.

70)	January 2, 1981 - Beirut
	In a press communique, ASALA threatens to "attack all Swiss 
	diplomats throughout the world" in response to the alleged 
	mistreatment of "Suzy and Alex" in Switzerland. On January 4, ASALA 
	issues a statement giving the Swiss a few days to think things over.

 "Armenian demands dictates that more people have to die in pursuit of
  justice." 

                    ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle <91@urartu.UUCP>

  "Yes, I stated this and stand by it."

                    ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle <255@urartu.UUCP>

Hasan B-) Mutlu

		'1914-1920 yillari arasinda Dogu Anadolu ve Kafkas 
		 topraklarinda yasam dallari Ermeni soykirim orgutleri 
		 ve Ermeni Diktatorlugu tarafindan acimasizca kirilan 
		 masum 2.5 milyon Turk ve Kurt halklari icin adalet.'
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Who'll Be The Next 'iesd.auc.dk' President? 'Lars P. Fisher?'
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:07:52 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Hasan" == Hasan B. Mutlu (hbm@ddsw1.UUCP)
>>>>> "Lars" == Lars P. Fischer (fischer@iesd.auc.dk)

Lars> I know that your not a moron like Hasan B. Mutlu.
Lars> There's no need for to you act like one.

Hasan> Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews -
Hasan> [...]

Thanks for proving my point, Hasan.

BTW, do you have a macro or something for that Newsgroups: line?

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
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From: orhan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Orhan Mehmet Arsel)
Subject: Re: ...Most Interested In Justification Of This Assertion, 'Wieneramus.'
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 23:54:02 GMT

In article <2085@cronos.metaphor.com> covdy@shemesh.metaphor.com (Ivan Covdy) writes:
>in article <1992Apr3.000714.20044@leland.Stanford.EDU#, orhan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Orhan Mehmet Arsel) says:
># 
># Exactly right. When Turkey was able to hold 21 Soviet divisions and
># three Air Wings near the Caucasus, she received quite a lot of respect,
># mainly from Germany. (Mind you that Turkey has the second largest armed
># force in NATO and fifth largest in the world, which has been considered
># as a significant threat by the Soviets). But now that the Soviet threat
># does not exist anymore, our friends in the west started to show their
># true faces. I guess this has been a good lesson for Turkey since we 
># now know better who our real friends are. Believe me, we all prefer
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    
># a true rival to a fake friend.
># 
># Sincerely,
># 
># Orhan Arsel.

>
>May I ask you who your REAL friends are? Iran? Iraq? Libia?
>Just curiosity...

None of them. See Central Asian Republics.

Sincerely,

Orhan Arsel.

























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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek
Subject: The Incidents Of Murder Began To Occur More Frequently, 'Gav*0.'
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:02:00 GMT



<22041522592975@WISCMACC.BitNet>
UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos)

>.... kind of like all the trash you've been sending from '87...
>figment of you sick and barbaric bloody imagination....
>ill-fated wishful thinking....
 
Wishful thinking is not - or should not be - all screaming and threats, 
'Gav*0.' Don't cancel your vacation.

Source: Doc. Dr. Azmi Suslu, "Russian View on the Atrocities Committed
        by the Armenians Against the Turks," Ankara Universitesi, Ankara,
        1987, pp. 45-53.

"One day, while passing through the streets on horseback, a group of
 soldiers including an Armenian soldier began to drag two old men of
 seventy years in a certain direction. The roads were covered with mud,
 and these people were dragging the two helpless Turks through the mud
 and dirt...

 It was understood later that all these were nothing but tricks and
 traps. The Turks who joined the gendarmarie soon changed their minds
 and withdrew. The reason was that most of the Turks who were on night
 patrol did not return, and no one knew what had happened to them. The 
 Turks who had been sent outside the city for labour began to disappear
 also. Finally, the Court Martial which had been established for the
 trials of murderers and plunderers, began to liquidate itself for
 fear that they themselves would be punished. The incidents of murder
 and rape, which had decreased, began to occur more frequently."

                  (to be continued...)

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: ...Not Even For One Day - In The History Of The World, 'The*.'
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:29:00 GMT


<1992Apr14.075828.15932@wuecl.wustl.edu>
tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)

>Why bother answering to this ......... Yiannis? 

Keep searching for ways to protect your ego, 'The*.'

>Mutlu...have you ever been to Cyprus? Where ever you turn your head, you
>see ancient Greek Ruins, Byzantine churches, let alone that as Yiannis
>noted (in case you didn't know) 80% of the population are Greeks (Greek-Cypriot
>if you like). Where did all these come from. Did the Turks brought them there?

I was convinced that no one could have a more warped sense of the world.
Do you think you've diddled around long enough with my article? It is the 
same mentality which allows Greeks to rationalize that Cyprus is a Greek 
Island. No history book shows that it ever was. It belonged to the Ottoman 
Turks 'lock, stock and barrel' for a period of well over 300 years.
In fact, prior to the Turks' acquisition of it, following bloody naval 
battles with the Venetians in 1570 AD, the island of Cyprus belonged, 
invariably, to several nations: The Assyrians, the Sumerians, the Phoenicians, 
the Egyptians, the Ottoman Turks, of course in that order, owned it as 
their territory. But, it has never been the possession of the government 
of Greece - not even for one day - in the history of the world. Moreover, 
Cyprus is located 1500 miles from the Greek mainland, but only 40 miles 
from Turkiye's southern coastline.

>And don't bother to reply... I have a wonderful KILL file that takes care
>all of your articles....inlcuding those with the new account (hbm)

Sigh. It has been reported that the Greek Cypriot administration has 
an intense desire for arms and that Greece has made plans to supply 
it with the tanks and armored vehicles it has to destroy in accordance 
with the agreement reached on conventional arms reductions in Europe. 
Meanwhile, Greek and Greek Cypriot officials are reported to have 
planned to take ostentatious measures aimed at camouflaging the 
transfer of these tanks and armored vehicles to southern Cyprus, 
a process that will conflict with the spirit of the agreement on 
conventional arms reduction in Europe.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: teoman@milton.u.washington.edu (Teoman Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Mutluk
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:31:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr14.193138.15564
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr14.142347.18482@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> nsg0604@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Naci Saglam) writes:
>teoman@milton.u.washington.edu (Teoman Smith) writes:

>>I thought Duke-babies were the cry babies :) :) I heard that Duke is a
>>replica of Princeton with a bunch of cry-babies and rednecks... :)
>
>>Teoman Smith 
>
>Come on, Teoman, he [dear Ed, the  baby who was born without a brain] is just
>a person whom we are having fun with. If he were not exist, this world would be
>so boring!  

Naci, I was just having my share of fun with this cry-baby... ;-)
Teoman  B-)
From: mghg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Hasan Gencturk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Siirler
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:41:42 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

Selamlar,
	Oncelikle arada bir de olsa hasret kaldigimiz guzel siirleri
net'e gecen arkadaslara tesekkurler. Bu cabalarin surmesi dilegiyle bir
istegim olacak: mumkunse Atilla Ilhan'in siirlerini ve de ozellikle PIA (yanlis
hatirlamiyorsam) siirini nete gecebilirmisiniz. Zahmetleriniz icin
simdiden tesekkurler.

Selamlar,
Hasan Gencturk 
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: A Liar Exposed: 'Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz.'
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:44:00 GMT



<1992Apr7.235305.24982@actrix.gen.nz>
Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz

>(As you may remember, Vlad was a real life victim of Mr.
>Mutlu - having been gagged by his employer at Mr Mutlu's instigation from
>posting to USEnet. 

As in his last attempt, 'withers' goes on to throw in a whole grab
bag of lies he hopes will offend people, so that the confusion of
issues can be used in place of relevant discussion. Now, where is
your verifiable evidence, '...hers?' Anxiously awaiting.

>Vlad had supposedly made slanderous statements to the effect
>that Mr Mutlu was probably a Turkish terrorist. It was a joke, but - as we all
>know - Mr Mutlu is devoid of humour.)

Are you chronically depressed? You are having an experience that is 
common to some people who are in recovery. Now where were we?

As early as 1934, K. S. Papazian asserted in 'Patriotism Perverted' that 
the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (ARF) 

        'leans toward Fascism and Hitlerism.'[1]

At that time, he could not have foreseen that the Armenians would
actively assume a pro-German stance and even collaborate in World
War II. His book was dealing with the Armenian genocide of Turkish
population of eastern Anatolia. However, extreme rightwing ideological
tendencies could be observed within the Dashnagtzoutune long before
the outbreak of the Second World War.

In 1936, for example, O. Zarmooni of the 'Tzeghagrons' was quoted
in the 'Hairenik Weekly:' 

"The race is force: it is treasure. If we follow history we shall 
 see that races, due to their innate force, have created the nations
 and these have been secure only insofar as they have reverted to
 the race after becoming a nation. Today Germany and Italy are
 strong because as nations they live and breath in terms of race.
 On the other hand, Russia is comparatively weak because she is
 bereft of social sanctities."[2]

[1] K. S. Papazian, 'Patriotism Perverted,' (Boston, Baikar Press
   1934), Preface.
[2] 'Hairenik Weekly,' Friday, April 10, 1936, 'The Race is our
   Refuge' by O. Zarmooni.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: salih@izmir.ee.uh.edu (Mehmet S. Koc)
Subject: A Poem By EDIP CANSEVER [in turkish]
Summary: Yercekimli Karanfil
Organization: University of Houston Department of EE
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 07:23:14 GMT


YERCEKIMLI KARANFIL

Biliyor musun az az yasiyorsun icimde
Oysaki seninle guzel olmak var
Ornegin raki iciyoruz, icimize bir karanfil dusuyor gibi
Bir agac isliyor tikir tikir yanimizda
Midemdi aklimdi su kadarcik kaliyor.

Sen o karanfile egilimlisin, alip sana veriyorum iste
Sen de bir baskasina veriyorsun daha guzel
O baskasi yokmu bir yanindakine veriyor
Derken karanfil elden ele.

Goruyorsun ya bir sevdayi buyutuyoruz seninle
Sana deginiyorum, sana isiniyorum, bu o degil
Bak nasil, beyaza keser gibisine yedi renk
Birlesiyoruz sessizce.

           		Edip Cansever

---------------------
Mehmet S. Koc
salih@izmir.ee.uh.edu
salih@kestane.ee.uh.edu
From: ertas@athena.mit.edu (Mehmet D Ertas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Karadeniz Turkuleri (Was: Re: News)
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:15:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr10.001542.23026
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr9.214914.20619@seas.smu.edu>, bayrak@seas.smu.edu (Coskun Bayrak) writes:


...

|> BIR KARADAENIZ TURKUSU
|> Trabzonun adini aca kim idi yazan
|> oyle baglandim ogan (ona) varmi galbuni (kalbini) bozan.
|> 
|> Her sey gonlunuzce olsun ve iyi calismalar...
|> 
|> Coskun Bayrak

Bu yaziyi okuyunca aklima geldi: gecen yaz Turkiye'deyken cesitli Halk Turkulerinin
kayitlarini aramistim; ancak kasetcilerden pek birsey cikmamisti. Ozellikle Karadeniz
yoresinden derlenmis turkulerin bulundugu bir kaset,plak,CD vs. olup olmadigini
bilen varsa bana hakkinda bilgi gonderebilir mi? 

Cesitli turku sozlerinin nete gonderilmesi de ne guzel olur!
 
Selam ve Sevgiler,

Deniz
From: ko@cns.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: '*.*.soviet' Includes More Than 50 Million Turks, 'Joni.'
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:35:01 GMT
Organization: UMIST, Manchester, England.

han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:


><1992Apr14.100406.4894@mits.mdata.fi>
>jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)

>>Just form alt.propaganda.turkish or something similar. I don't quite
>>understand why I have to read masses of Turkish propaganda in a group
>>called soc.culture.soviet. 

>A group called '*.*.soviet' also includes more than 50 million
>Turks, 'Joni.' 

>                '*.*.soviet' =/ '*.*.russia' 
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^

I disagree with hbm. Even if it were *.*.russia then "Turkish probaganda"
would still discuss the culture, history, and political condition of 
10 % Turkish minority in and out of "autonomous" Turkish republics in the
so-called Russia. We could also discuss about the continuous opression of the 
Tartar Turks and their present freedom movement, that was resulted with 60 % 
yes vote to liberation from Russia.

So *.*.russia does not save Mr Jarvenkyla's argument. *.*.soviet certainly
not. But a soc.culture.armenian would decrease the number of articles,
if Armenian netters had not opposed to that idea in last years voting.

Kutluk
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