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From: tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Subject: Turkish troops out of Cyprus (Re: Palikaria OUT of North Cyprus)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:46:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.215317.23997@en.ecn.purdue.edu> baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.042720.12134@wuecl.wustl.edu> tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David) writes:
>>	Here is another example of what I was telling you about propaganda,
>>Besime. EOKA acted between 1955-1959, and succesfully kicked the English out
>>of Cyprus. Grivas himself, declared EOKA inactive in 1959. It's a shame to 
>>talk like that about those who gave their life so that we can enjoy freedom
>>today. Just remember Evagoras Pallikarides (17 years old - hanged) or
>>Gregoris Auksentiou (burned alive....). 
>
> Oh what a joke! If Eoka "successfully" kicked the English out, then what 
>in your hell are the British Soverign Bases doing in your own side in 
>Cyprus, namely the Dhekelia and Akrotiri Bases? 
> If your freedom is in the hands of EOKA Palikaria, you have a long
>way to go....
> Just pound the facts in your brain and recognize NORTH CYPRUS as your 
>equal. Or else, the map of Cyprus has been changes forever, bozo!
>
	I am recognizing turkish-CYPRIOTS as my equals. But how can I recognize
my house, my towns, my country (and yours too), namely the part of Cyprus
occupied by the Turkish army, as turkish.....Besime?
	Honey, the map of Cyprus has been changing for 9,000 years now....
Cyprus has been under Egyptians, Assyrians, Romans, French, Italians, Turkish,
English... but it is still Greek. [ Don't get me wrong though. I 'm not
saying that turkish-Cypriots should be a second class citizens ].

>Cheers,
>Okan Baysan.
	now you convinced me...
>
>>As for Dektash, ....I only feel sorry for the Turkish-CYPRIOTS. 
>>
>>>Besime Erin  
>>
Theodore David
Washington University in St. Louis
From: varnavas@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (varnavas constantine)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Continuation on CYPRUS, ENOSIS, EOKA, PALIKARIA
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:01:33 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan) writes:

>Liar! Turks have never attempted ethnic cleansing in Cyprus, bozo!

>Cheers,
>Okan Baysan

Before July 20, 1974 there were approximately 200,000 Greek Cypriots living
in the area now occupied by Turkey.  Today there are less than 1,000.  If
this is not ethnic cleansing then what is?

I want mention any numbers about the killings, rapes, tortures etc.
Varnavas Lambrou posted excerpts from the investigation by the European
Commission of Human Rights which document these very well.
-- 
Constantinos Varnavas
University of Illinois
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan)
Subject: Re: Do the Palikaria get to Vote?
Summary: EOKA/EOKA-B/PKK Palikaria
Keywords: ENOSIS(union of Cyprus with Greece) DREAMS STILL FRESH!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 22:28:13 GMT
Expires: January 1994

In article <Bz6B5z.HuC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis) writes:
>
>Have you ever heard of Turkish and Greek Cypriots killed by 
>Mr Denktash's organization TMT between 1963-74.  I 'll mention

TMT is not M. Denktash's organization. TMT (Turk Mukavemet Teskilati) is
a Turkish Cypriot Defense Organization which was established to defend the
innocent Turkish Cypriot people against barbaric and blood thirsty Enosis
minded Greek/Greek Cypriot palikaria who could not even achieve Enosis in 
11 years, from 1963-1974. 
The map of Cyprus has been changed for good Kirie Syrimis, and try to get
yourself used to it for your own health! 

>
>Just these for now.  
>
>Michalis Syrimis
>University of Illinois
>Urbana-Champaign
>

Cheers,
Okan Baysan.
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: YES RE, I AM MAKEDONIAN
Date: 18 Dec 1992 08:49:41 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (Kiro Grigorof's kid brother) writes:
* 3) Macedonian was never a region of Greece. On the contrary, Greece
*    was often subject to Macedonia. In 1913, Greece and her Balkan
*    allies partitioned Macedonia, and if today a portion of
*    Macedonian belongs to Greece, it is by virtue of an illegal
*    partition of the whole and occupation of a part of Macedonia.

And "Macedonia" would eventually decide to rectify this "illegal
partition" and reverse the partition, right?

*  MACEDONIANS AND GREEKS THROUGH THE AGES
* 
*   Throughout antiquity, the Chasia and Kamvounia mountains, Mount
*Olympus, and the vale of Tempe separated Macedonia from Greece.

I see. Is that where Kiro & Co. want the borders? Well, might as 
well, the weather sucks there (i.e. in places like Florina, Kastoria).

*   There is no evidence that prehistoric Macedonia was ever occupied
*by Greeks.

The weather sucked. They all moved to Crete.

*   The Macedonian "barbarian" defeated Greece at the battle of
*Chaeronea in August 338 B.C. and appointed himself "Commander of the
*Greeks." The date is commonly takes as the end of Greek history and
*the beginning of the Macedonian era.

So I'm Macedonian?

*        [Greece did not regain its independence until 1827 A.D.]

Ssssssh, Arxid may be listening.

* * Greece was conquered by Macedonia at the battle of Chaeronea
*   in 338 B.C.

So I AM MAKEDONIAN. BROTHER!!! BROTHER!!! BROTHER!!! Go Skopje!!

Spiroski Triantafyllopoulof (maked-o-phonics too)
--
(will someone send me a picture of the $#^%$#0z$# vergina star?)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: re: continuation on Cyprus
Date: 16 Dec 1992 13:47:47 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Okan B-) Mutlu writes:
>
> various crap
>

Ok, Okan, tell me just ONE thing here. You keep writing about ENOSIS
and the such, and hell, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and
believe you, that, indeed, the GC's wanted ENOSIS more than anything 
else...

Now, explain this...

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From my interaction with GC's in Greece and in the US, it occured to
me that Cyprus had living standards and lifestyle far superior to 
Greece's. They did not have to live piled up in apartments like I
did... They did not have to pay $25,000 for a little car like we 
did... they could study abroad much easier (England mostly). They
were smart enough to live in boulevard STREETS without the CLOUD,
they did not have the politics of 'yes with the king, no with the
king, bring in the colonels, kick the colonels out, ...', 
they had air conditioned homes, and in general, at least the people
I met, seemed to think that they were a hell of a lot better in
Cyprus. 

Tourism, the leading income source in Cyprus, did not appear to have
raped the place to the degree DISKOS and SOUVLAKI shops have done
it to even the most trivial village in Greece. The people I met were
much more adapt to being with other cultures, all spoke excellent
English, and had a distinct Cyrpiot identity. They spoke quite good
Greek, but we found out later on :-( that this was not REAL Cypriot,
but in respect for other participants they spoke in terms we could
understand (the ones we could not were quite hilarious :-)). 

So, tell me, Okan, why in the world would they want Enosis? To get
stuck with the Greek Bureaucracy, taxes, laws, etc? It's not that
the people I met were all millionaires or anything. Most, if not all,
were middle class people who could afford to send children abroad
to study. Nowhere as easy to do the same for Greeks.

The ones I met had a very distinct Cypriot identity. I had a couple
of roommates from Cyprus for a while, and they were all quite a bit
serious about studying (their grades reflected that). The Turkish
Cypriots we met at school were also that (shit their math was good!)
and we all seemed to get along quite well...

I don't remember any of the Greek Cypriots I met ever bringing up
ENOSIS, and, in virtue of the 40+ GR-CYs at my school and us being
the oldest there, we got to meet them quite often. None of them
was so pumped up the way you or Besime appear to be most of the
time with the sheer mention of the word "Greek" when the word
"Turk" was mentioned, and many had lost homes in the process.

Spiros
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan)
Subject: OXI ENOSiS, Palikaria OUT of North Cyprus
Summary: Palikaria's thirst of blood is not over yet! 
Keywords: Palikaria, Enosis, Vasiliou Jungle of South Cyprus
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 21:53:17 GMT
Expires: January 1994 

In article <1992Dec13.042720.12134@wuecl.wustl.edu> tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David) writes:
>	Here is another example of what I was telling you about propaganda,
>Besime. EOKA acted between 1955-1959, and succesfully kicked the English out
>of Cyprus. Grivas himself, declared EOKA inactive in 1959. It's a shame to 
>talk like that about those who gave their life so that we can enjoy freedom
>today. Just remember Evagoras Pallikarides (17 years old - hanged) or
>Gregoris Auksentiou (burned alive....). 

 Oh what a joke! If Eoka "successfully" kicked the English out, then what 
in your hell are the British Soverign Bases doing in your own side in 
Cyprus, namely the Dhekelia and Akrotiri Bases? 
 If your freedom is in the hands of EOKA Palikaria, you have a long
way to go....
 Just pound the facts in your brain and recognize NORTH CYPRUS as your 
equal. Or else, the map of Cyprus has been changes forever, bozo!

Cheers,
Okan Baysan.

>
>As for Dektash, ....I only feel sorry for the Turkish-CYPRIOTS. 
>
>>Besime Erin  
>
>Theodore David
>Washington University in St. Louis
>
From: androut@ecf.toronto.edu (ANDROUTSOS DIMITRIOS)
Subject: TEST RE PAIDIA!
 
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:48:49 GMT

...douleuei re ;
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: MAKEDONIA - What's in a name (3/5)
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:35:38 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Dimitris Ioannis Tsioutsias (tsioutsias-dimitris@cs.yale.edu) writes:
>     B. Skopjans claim that the language of Mace-
>     donians is not Greek but their own dialect
>     spoken in the region of Skopje. In actual fact
>     this language is a mixture of Bulgarian, Slavic,
>     Turkish, Albanian and Greek words.

Well, Macedonian is certainly not Greek, but a Slavic language
closely related to Bulgarian. As for ancient Macedonian, there
are uncertainties what it was. However, only a couple of lunatics
believe that it had anything to with modern Macedonian.

It is pitiful to see Greek lies and propaganda to be repeated
over and over again.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos)
Subject: Re: GREK TAKEOUT (Article on Macedonia in the "New Republic," Dec. 21)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:17:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.174244.12978@enea.se>, sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
|> Chrys Pelegris <chrysp@zooid.guild.org> writes:
|> >    Hahah.. so now, Greece should take the word of Rob Kaplan that they
|> >    have no territorial aggressions towards Greece?  No one can make such
|> >    absolute statements - no one knows what the future holds for any nation.
|> 
|> That's right. Bomb Athens now! Before they invade Turkey, Macedonia,
|> Albania and whatever comes in their way.
|> 
|> Why do I get the impression that 9 out 10 articles from Greek posters
|> make me sick?

A question: What percentage of your postings you think make Greek posters sick? 
Another one: What relevance does the state of your well-being have with this
newsgroup? 

|> -- 
|> Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se

Aleck
From: ls1@cec1.wustl.edu (Lambros Skartsis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Info needed on Greek Airforce WWII
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:32:35 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO

In article: <BzEL8s.9qr@mtholyoke.edu>
pscotto@MtHolyoke.edu (Peter J. Scotto) writes:

>Does anyone out there know where I can find information on the
>Royal Greek Airforce [EVA] during WWII?  I am particularly 
>interested in illustrated materials in any language.
>
>Thanks,
>--Peter Scotto

Your best bet (in English!) are the truly precious Jane's catalogs.
Very briefly, I can tell you the following:

A few years before WWII the greek armed forced initiated a modernization
program, certainly foreseeing what was coming ahead. As far as the
air force was considered, it had hopelessly outdated material.
I remember Breguet-19's still being used during the war, while
the Avro 504's (!!) and the greek-made Velos and Atlas (under 
Blackburn licence) were phased out only a few years before the war.
Ironically, the Greek National Aircraft Factory (KEA) ceased aircraft
production around that time and only concentrated on repairs, maintainance
and manufacture of other items (parts, bombs, etc.).  Thus, there existed
a quite urgent need for new aircraft, mainly fighters. After several
inquiries (I remember Czech aircraft were rejected for some reason)
they decided to purchase the Polish PZL P-24(?) single-seat fighter
which became the backbone of the air force. An old (1932/33) plane,
good at its time but obsolete when the war came [proven in Poland,
as well, even though improved versions were available then - as a side note:
PZL was a good company with many innovative designs (incl. the incredible
"Los" bomber); its relative stagnation at that time should probably be
attributed to the death, during testing, of its chief engineer/designer].

Also purchased were a handful of Gloster Gladiators [relatively better,
but still obsolete!], while an order for Hurricane's was postponed
due to the war in England - they, along with Spitfire's were delivered
later and used in the civil war, against the communists!.

When Italy attacked the greek air force had 99 combat aircraft, mostly,
as I said above, PZL's; the Italians used about 500(?),
which included the far more advanced 
Fiat Falco (still a biplane, still nothing compared to other aircraft
but far superior to the PZL). The epic air battles over Albania are just
another chapter of the greek victory over Italy...

When Germany attacked, it used an almost ... Gulf War approach. Most of
what was left from the greek air force was bombed and destroyed on the
ground. The few left participated in the war, and what was left of those
went along with greek forces to the middle east to continue fighting
with the allies.

Hope this helps a litle bit.

Regards,
L. Skartsis
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Goin' Dutch?
Date: 20 Dec 1992 22:17:18 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Nick Gavrielatos pointed out that our most distinguished colleague
has received a transfer to Holland. Hmmm. I did not know AT&T
has an office there :-)

Is the Greek boykot of Dutch products still going on? Will this mean we
will have to boykot Arxid? 

C'me on, Nick. Tell us you're kidding. Amsterdam is a loooooooong way
from Chicago.

Spiros
--
(shivering at the thought of an Arxid-less Christmas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: v999saum@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Varnavas A. Lambrou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: what is going on?
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:42:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Reading some of the mails through this list, I am really confused!!
I am wondering, who was for 400 years under terror and slavery ?
The Greeks or the Turks? Who were denied basic human rights for four
centuries? The greeks or the Turks? Whose houses, properties and churches
were being destroyed and taken? The greeks' or the turks'?

I know the answers to all the questions set above, as all the people of
the world who still remember Attila and his succesors do. I know the answers
to all the questions set above, because I was unlucky enough to live the
same attrocities just 18 years ago, in the 20th century, from the same people
who performed them years before. 

I am wondering, how a country in the 20th century allows its "soldiers" to 
perform the worst crimes somebody can think of without being puzzled and
self-critizesed? There is only one: TURKEY. 

Turkey invaded my country, Cyprus, on the 20th of July 1974. The Cyprus
army, disorganised completely after a coup against the government,
was trying to defend the island from the "peace bringers". The "peace" troops
who in just one month they "bravely" :
	- killed 6000 people
	- throw out of their houses 200000 people
	- raped and killed several women from the age of 17 to 71!!
	- tortured priests
	- arrested thousands of citizens and soldiers (1619 still missing)
	
If this is a peace mission, then can you tell me what is not?

On that day, 20.7.1974, the then Turkish Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit 
announced: " We are not bringing war but peace to Cyprus."
The peace which his army brought to Cyprus over the last 18 years is the
peace of which Tacitus wrote: " They make a desert and they call it peace".

Not forgetting, but looking ahead,
	Varnavas A. lambrou
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Continuation on CYPRUS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:06:34 GMT

cza@troy.cc.bellcore.com ( Akgun the reptile) writes:

>But it was hardly
>unjust and unexpected; especially after seeing what really happens 
>in Bosnia if such a force does not arrive.  Turkish goverment's 
>far-sight in 1974 has protected Turks who are minority in Cyprus 
>from the same faith that the Bosnians are facing today.  

 Yes, we know. It is so noble for the Turks to kill and rape and perform
 ethnic cleansing.  Everything that suits turkish dreams is noble.  

 Hypocrite !!

>C. Akgun
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:11665 soc.culture.bulgaria:1958 soc.culture.yugoslavia:10172
From: PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Thanks for the support Mr.Moore... but I am confused!!!
Date: 20 Dec 92 07:03:17 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

<92351.45681.L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> wrote in Wed, 16
Dec 92 20:48:08 GMT:

> A. Romanos wrote:
> (Massive Deletion)
>>   I hope I clarified my position now.
>>                                                     A.Romanos

>  Actually, your position is not merely clear,  but transparent.

I am glad  my point  to V.Babamov (a historical fact over the se-
cond Balkan War),  namely that the Serbs were  not  those who the
rest Balkans fought against,  was  understood  by all.  I take it
that you agree with my that Vasil's source was erroneous.
                            ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Moreover,  I would  like to thank you for letting me know that my
second argument over the overwhelming appropriateness my of sour-
ces over Vasil's "Britannica", passed across.  Even though   six-
months passed from the first discussion  I am  very happy that we
left no room for confusion.
I would like to thank you again for you support  if the following
line did not surprise me completely!

>
> You oppose an independant nation in Macedonia.

I am sorry?   Which sentence exactly are you referring to?

>
> I am not altogether certain as to why,but then I must confess I
> am also not particularly interested.

If I may inquire.... Why write then?

>
> Al Moore

Very confused... A.Romanos
From: wfk@cellar.org (William F. Kershner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Help with typing Greek on English keyboard...
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:58:00 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

Does anyone have a list of set rules for typing Greek words in English
phonetics translation?  I've noticed that many of you are submitting
articles using phonetic equivalents.  Is there a standard that you are all
using?  I'm just learning the language and I think reading and writing Greek
on the net could help.  I have a few books that give their versions of the
phonetics, but don't you think we should all try to use the same
translation?  Ellinika einai ena oraia glossa!! but how to spell it out in
English is quite a problem!!!  Help!

________________________________________
William F. Kershner
wfk%cellar@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com
wfk@cellar.org
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: pscotto@MtHolyoke.edu (Peter J. Scotto)
Subject: Info needed on Greek Airforce WWII
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:26:51 GMT


Does anyone out there know where I can find information on the
Royal Greek Airforce [EVA] during WWII?  I am particularly 
interested in illustrated materials in any language.

Thanks,
--Peter Scotto
From: scg@bashan.cs.wisc.edu ( Scg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: BOZKURT: FUCK YOUR MAMA
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:48:03 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

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