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From: keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani)
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: world 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 07:17:04 GMT

Howdi HooshyAr khAn,

In article <1992Oct2.074929.22946@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>'kheyli khoob!'  So it seems matter was just there.  Simply because we
>defined bunch of properties to characterize it or its behaviour does not
>prove the existence of matter.  Am I right in this statement?

You sure are. But maybe we were pretty sure that it existed before
waisting our time defining such quantities :-)

>>So, are you going to make your final statement?
>>We are waiting!
>
>Do I really have to?  I have no position or statement at this time!  But if
>any, I would say the statement is 'the human's ability to measure certain
>properties of the matter cannot necesarrily be taken as the _proof_ that
>matter exists.'  What do you say?
>
>Let me conclude by asking 'how do we KNOW for sure that matter exists?'

Fine, then first tell me how do you DEFINE matter? (and no, I don't
know what you mean! :-)

One possible proof along the line of Descartes' would go as follows:
"I think, therefore matter exists" 
For the sake of saving bandwidth, I deleted the whole "chain", you
only got the beginning and the end :-)

Regards,
K1
From: manizh@src.umd.edu (Reza Shahidi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Perception of righteousness!
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:01:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: src.1992Sep29.210146.23447
Organization: EE Dept, University of Maryland

In article <Bv9ywn.BnF@news.udel.edu> keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.154827.16473@src.umd.edu> manizh@src.umd.edu (Reza Shahidi) writes:
>
>Hi Agha Reza,
>Thanx for the article, and I definitely agree with the above.
>
>>Tolerance can grow from a free mind and a free mind does not exist
>>anywhere but in infants and mentally retarded. 
>>
>>                                -Reza Shahidi
>>
>>P.s. Am I right? :) What do you think?
>
>I agree with <Tolerance can grow from a free mind >, but 
>disagree with the second!
>The mind of infants and the mentally retarded is "free" of everything
>indeed ie: their mind is empty. But the "free" mind you are 
>talking about must be TRAINED .
>Children will indeed accept ANYTHING you teach them, but they 
>won't accept another idea opposite to the one they are already
>familiar with.
>
>Regards,
>K1
>

Salam K1 AghA,

To train a mind to think free is very hard, if not impossible.
How would you define a free mind? I cheated in the above by
defining a free mind as an empty mind. Now, once you start
defining a free mind as something different, you start putting your 
own values into a so called free mind. The only other way that
I can see to acheive a free mind is to know everything there is
but that is not possible because as Bozorgmehr said " No one
knows everything because everybody knows everything and everybody
is not yet born". 

In closing, I shall say that tolerance in an absolute sense
cannot exist. However, one could become relatively tolerant
by letting others to question his/her thought process. One
should be free of absolute concepts such as blasphemy related stuff. There
should be nothing in the world that could scape proper analysis
on the basis of absolute truth. Ignorance is the source for
enslaved minds. By ignorance, I mean to have a filter in one's mind.
If you have a filter, make sure that it is an all pass filter.
If you have a cutoff point, you'll reach that point oneday and
then the outcome is intolerance. I'll let everybody think about
this. I'll be glad to read other analysis! :)

-Reza
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mahyar@netcom.com (Mahyar Rahmatian)
Subject: Characteristics, and 80's vs 90's trends of Iranians outside Iran.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:26:30 GMT





What are the first generation Iranians characteristics ?
How about our 80's trends vs 90's ?


Characteristics is defined as " distinguishing trait or quality ".
and trend as " to have a general direction or tendency ".


Here is my partial list, add on yours .


A- Characteristics that separate first generation Iranians from other first
generations, in US.

	- Are highly educated .
	- Have very very low crime rate.(and no gangs)
	- Are adaptive .
	- Have very very high expectations .
	- Have unique English accent.(if they didn't go to high school in US):-)
	- ?
	- ?


B- Characteristics that separate San Francisco Bay Iranians from the rest of
Iranians in US. Estimated population of 75 thousands.(1/10 of Los Angles).


	- High concentration of professionals .
	- Smaller gap of Social and economical status (class) between them
	than other areas.
	- ?
	- ?


C- Trends in 80's for Iranians outside Iran.	
					
	- Friends in school were mostly from same political orientation.
	- Men drove (or wanted to drive) Black BMW 325.(California)
	- Women dressed black (and godly) for most occasions.(US)
	- Women had to have Gocci bags. :-).(US)
	- Flourishing of political organizations.
	- Asked themselves "when would I go back home, and how can I contribute
	to Iran ?"
	- listened to fast Persian pop music and top 40.(US)
	- Couples separated if married in Iran.(California)
	- 
	- ?


D- Trends in lower 90's for Iranians outside Iran.(Now)

	- Redefining religion, culture, value system, freedom ... .
	- Black/white BMW 525, sporty Japanese cars.(California)
	- Women dress with more; variety, colors.(much more beautiful:-) )
	- Flourishing of Cultural/Professional organizations .
	- Would tell/ask themselves "I like visiting Iran, How can I contribute
	to Iran and my other home ?"
	- Modern Rock, and thirsty for some new classical Persian music.(Ca.)
	- Entrepreneurship.
	- Subscription to SCI. :-)
	- ?
	- ?


E- Trends in higher 90's for Iranian outside Iran.(Predictions)

	- Consolidation of many Iranian organizations.(US)
	- Tolerance for different/opposing views.
	- Many more "Fuzzy logic" type successes.
	- ?


I do have more, but I'd like to give a chance to you .


== Mahyar
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 23:24:03 EDT
From: Reza Modarres <RMODARR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: trick trivia :-) (Summary of responses)
 <Sep.24.12.54.16.1992.6649@gandalf.rutgers.edu>
 <92269.060109RMODARR@auvm.american.edu>
 <1992Sep25.232017.25791@EE.Stanford.EDU>

In article <1992Sep25.232017.25791@EE.Stanford.EDU>, mack@isl.Stanford.EDU
(mack) says:
>
>Two days ago I wrote:
>
> => As much as I hate to break the trend of educational and enlightening
> => articles, here's a bit of trivia for our literature fans:
> =>
> => What is the plural form of dragon (ezhdehA) in Farsi?
> =>
> => Think about it!
>
>Here are some of the responses that it generated through the newsgroup
>and e-mail:
>
>===========================================================================
>
>Ramin wrote:
>
> => Good one , Isn' it EzhdehAhA ?   Just kidding
> => I think it's Ezhdee ... or close to that ...
>
>K1 wrote:
>
> => It's obviously  ezdehAhA hAhAhAhAhAhAhA :-)
> => K1
>
>Bavafa wrote:
>
> => Hi, Mack,
> =>
> => OK. I thought about it, and with no assurance of any kind, I am
> => going to guess that 'ezhdeha' is the other form of the word
> => 'azhdarhA,' which in turn is the plural of 'azhdar.'
> =>
> => The word 'azhdar' has two meanings:  torpedo, and dragon.
> =>
> => So, trick 'khodeti.'
>
>ShAhin wrote:
>
> => I think it is ezhdehAyAn.  Other examples are:  AghAyan, or nAbinAyAn.
> => Strictly speaking,  "An"  should be used for human nouns only, but
> => it is sometimes used for animals and plants, like in derakhtAn or in
> => gAvAn o kharAn- e bAr-bardAr   beh zAdamiAn-e mardom AzAr.(no pun
> => intended!)
>
>Ramin again wrote:
>
> => With the help of ShAhin , I got it :
> =>
> =>     No it is not EzhdehAyAn
> =>  but it is :
> =>
> =>             E z h d i A n .
> =>
> => This is right , I can bet money on it ....
> =>
> => right mack ?
>
>S*** (via e-mail) wrote:
>
> => ezhdehaan !!!!
>
>===========================================================================
>
>The chart below summarizes the responses:
>
>
>    Name    Guess       Comment
>    -----------------------------------------
>    Ramin:  ezhdehAhA   (just kidding)
>    Ramin:  ezhdee      (or close to that)
>    K1:     ezhdehAhA   (obviously)
>    Bavafa: ezhdeha     (it's plural itlself)
>    ShAhin: ezhdehAyAn
>    Ramin:  ezhdiAn     (willing to bet money)
>    S***    ezhdehaan
>
>Well, to tell you the truth, I don't know the correct answer. It might
>very well be one of the above. However, I know that "ezhdehAyAn"
>cannot possibly be the correct answer. Because "ezhdehA" is a Farsi
>word, but the "An" suffix that pluralizes a noun applies only to
>Arabic words. "ezhdehAhA" is a reasonable guess, but sounds kind of
>funny.
>
>Can anyone come up with the correct answer and explain the reasoning
>behind it?
>
>    --mack
>
>--
   For this one, there was no need to go upstairs, I was already there.
   Trivially, Bavafa is correct.

RezA
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:8342 soc.culture.german:6837
From: payman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Germany to commemorate launch of first Nazi rocket despite protests
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:19:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep27.001959.27716
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Sep26.210715.25351@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> 
mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi) writes:

>	BERLIN (UPI) -- German aerospace interests said Saturday they were
>planning to celebrate the 50th anniversary of first rocket launch in
>Nazi Germany despite international criticism.
                         ....
>	The Nazis launched 1,120 V-2s against Britain between September 1944
>and April 1945, killing 2,855 civilians.
                         ....
>	In Britain, Conservative member of Parliament Winston Churchill,
>grandson of the wartime prime minister, told the Mirror newspaper: ``I
>urge them to think again.
>	``The very idea that anyone could commemorate a wepaon system which
>terrorized and killed civilians I find incredible,'' he said.

Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that the British unveiled a statue
commemorating Sir Arthur "Bomber" Harris; the man responsible for 
the fire bombing of Dresden and many other German cities during the
Second War; bombings which left Tens, if not hundreds of thousands
of innocent civilians dead?

-Payman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mmm@philabs.philips.com (Mehran Moshfeghi)
Subject: The Physical Society of Iran
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:02:23 GMT

Salam


There has been some discussions on Physics on the net. I thaught this
might be of interest to some readers. The Physical Society of Iran has
yearly conferences on Physics and related cross disciplinary fields.
You can also become a member and receive the quarterly publications
"Majeleh Physic" and also internal bulletines on society activities. I
attended this year's meeting. Because of participation in the
conference I got a one month temporary exemption from military service.
I found the conference useful within the context of making contacts
with scientists inside Iran.  


For more information contact:


The Physical Society of Iran
Secretary's Office
C/O IUP, Park Ave,
Tehran
Iran P.O. Box 15875-4748


P.S: Name of the secretary is khanom Sheemi (Mis Chemistry)!

Rooz Khoosh

Mehran

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From: farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Hijab (again)
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:49:12 GMT
	<1992Oct6.184619.10586@wam.umd.edu>
Organization: none

In article <1992Oct6.184619.10586@wam.umd.edu> ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Ahoora joon) writes:

 @Please don't take the bit about your paro pacheh too seriousely, it was not
 @meant as a hendooneh zireh your baghal. Frankly, I'd rather have your sole. :)
 @
 @Ghorboonam beri.
 @-- 
 @ahriman
 @(aka Lucifer)

Dear Ahriman/Lucifer,
        
I think you meant to say "I'd rather have your SOUL". Check out the
dictionary in Hell Library. Frankly, I think an Ahriman/Lucifer who
can not even spell "soul" right, is good for nothing. You should be
ashamed of yourself. In fact, I don't even believe that you are real.
The real Ahriman/Lucifer is far more intelligent and sophisticated
than you.       :-)
         
  - Farzin
                
PS. And don't tell me you really meant "sole". That's a cop out.
    I know what you meant.
From: guiyu@spectra (Kui Yu Chang)
Subject: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Summary: Harsh LAWS 
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:21:38 GMT

	People complain that there are too many LAWS and RESTRICTIONS in
Singapore. From this point, they conclude that Singapore is NOT democratic.

	There are other Issues such as ISA (Internal Security Act :  which 
allows detention WITHOUT trial), freedom of speech, etc. but I wish to discuss
only the PART pertaining to 'having too many RULES and REGULATIONS'.

	In the past, people would always bring up the point that you can get
fined S$500 for littering, S$1000 for not flushing the Toilet after use, etc.
and I was lead to believe that well, maybe it is too harsh. Having lived in 
Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, I find that Singapore does have plenty of Laws which
are ACTUALLY enforced.

	Taiwan has quite a no. of Laws but no enforcers, eg. you can see
motorist riding on pedestrains pavements almost everywhere, everytime. 

	Hong Kong is slightly better, in that there is not as much rubbish as
in Taiwan(assuming both govts do not hire road cleaners such as in S'pore)
and people RESPECT traffic light signals.

	China is similar to Taiwan, since both are the traditional Chinese(and
traditional Chinese don't care a shit about LAW or CONSTITUTION, the EMPEROR
is the LAW).

	When I came to U.S.A., I was impressed with the plethora of LAWS it 
has. For starters, when I alighted from the 747 and board a transfer vehicle,
the bus driver would not move unless `ALL PASSENGERS IS BEHIND THE WHITE LINE`
, a boundary on the bus. On public buses in Hawaii, the above applies also. In
addition, you are FORBIDDEN by state law to Eat or Drink, play loud music, 
smoke on a bus. Now, that`s more servere than in Singapore Buses.

	The irony is that U.S.A. is reputed to be the most democratic nation
on earth(you may have other contenders but at least it is a very democratic
country) and these many LAWS? So why are people criticizing Singapore's LAWs?

	THIS IS A DISCUSSION, NOT A DEBATE. I HAVE RAISED AN ISSUE AND WOULD
LIKE TO GET OPINIONS FROM BOTH SIDE OF THE BOARD.

A
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: guiyu@spectra (Kui Yu Chang)
Subject: Test Sent
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:35:21 GMT

Sender	: ZHANG Guiyu
	: CHANG Kui Yu
	: Julian 
	
School	: Nanyang Pri
	  CHS
	  HCJC
	  NTU
	  UH
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Where to test
Date: 3 Oct 92 12:25:21 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Hiya,
	If you have never posted to news before, and want to test your posting
capabilities, please post to the *.test groups.  It is just as good a test,
*AND* people will respond and tell you that your post reached their site.  I
just posted a test to alt.test and had four sites reply to me via email.  Plus
you get how your test post propagated (one of South Africa's machine responded
too...!)
	Testing in *.test groups is highly recommended as sometimes you can
piss off people in the other groups and get some hatemail.  I did notice that
most people here seems to just "grin and bear it."
	Also, it is highly recommended that you browse around in news.answers. 
They maintain a lot of articles there pertaining to usage of news, and what you
should and should not do.
	I will probably post this article once every week (plus and minus a
couple of weeks as situation calls for) so please ignore future postings with
the same title, or set up a kill file.
	Ciao.

-Tai
From: shaiksul@expert.cc.purdue.edu (shaik rizal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Let's cut the crap....
Date: 3 Oct 92 07:28:41 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

I'm happy over your article on Penang food. I am from Penang and believe
me, Penang is definately the place for food. However the best mee goreng
is still from a stall at Jones Lane. That old man has been selling since
my dad was a little kid! he even uses woodfire instead of gas.Cayalah!
From: ftp@csvaxb.cs.missouri.edu (Anonymous FTP Account)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Testing.. pls. ignore
Date: 1 Oct 1992 22:09:00 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Testing.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:14:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.002138.9188@news.Hawaii.Edu> guiyu@spectra (Kui Yu Chang) writes:

>   In the past, people would always bring up the point that you can get
>fined S$500 for littering, S$1000 for not flushing the Toilet after use, etc.
>and I was lead to believe that well, maybe it is too harsh. Having lived in 
>Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, I find that Singapore does have plenty of Laws which
>are ACTUALLY enforced.

Ah!  That's why one tourist is reputed to have said, "Singapore is a fine
country: you get fined for everything!!!"

>   The irony is that U.S.A. is reputed to be the most democratic nation
>on earth(you may have other contenders but at least it is a very democratic
>country) and these many LAWS? So why are people criticizing Singapore's LAWs?

Well, the criticism is aimed at laws that are overly restrictive.  The ISA, for
example, and the anti-gum law, for another.  Rules such as "step behind the
white line" in buses have a safety angle:  if you stand there, the bus driver
cannot see his right-hand outside mirror.  That jeopardizes safety.  The "no
smoking, no eating and no loud music" rule is so that you do not interfere with
other passengers (it's difficult to escape from smoke or loud in a crowded bus
and some people are messy eaters/drinkers.)  In the case of the gum ban in
Singapore, it is excessive.  Now, if they had specified "No sticking of used
gum on public property," most Singaporeans would have agreed with it
wholeheartedly.   It's a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.


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From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MA: Fare Price Increase
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:38:47 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Oct2.023823.23268@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
> Starting from yesterday, 1st Oct, fares in Malaysia increased.
> Taxis in KL is allowed to charge 50c extra for the first 2 kms. I cannot
> catch the fares for buses.
> 	I support this move. In fact this increase is too little and too
> late. It should be as high as singapore. Imagine a fare of M$1 for minibuses
> in KL.
[munched]

	I do not support the move to increase the bus fares.  This is based
upon my own experiences with Sri Jaya buses and also what I have read in the
newspapers.
	A couple of years ago, either New Straits Times or Star (or both)
published an article about a study conducted by a PhD (I think) student at MU
(again, I think).  This scholar actually stood at various bus-stops and
estimated the number of people who used a particular bus.  He came up with the
conclusion that the buses in KL and PJ overload whenever possible (sardine
anyone?) and that the bus companies (he specifically mentioned SJ) were making
way too much profits.  He said 30% profits were normal, however, these
companies were making more than that, and never bothered to improve their
services or the buses themselves.
	I think, from the above, one must come to the conclusion that any
increase in bus fares (in Peninsular at least) will only increase the profits
of the SJ owners and nothing else.  I can think of no reason to justify the
increase.  At least the Singaporean buses are clean and regular and no
overloading.  Do any of the KL/PJ buses fulfil that requirement?
	Has anyone ever tried to take bus 328 by SJ in PJ?  It is always
overloaded.  I have asked conductors, and also the people at the bus station in
Old Town and everyone tells me that the every 20 minutes, a 328 will leave the
station.  I wonder where does it go, because I have waited more than 2 hours
for it before...
	I live in Taman Tun Dr Ismail.  My Form 6 was in SEA Park School.  I
had to take 328 from the front of Tropicana.  However, I was forced to walk to
school every morning because of the irregular service.  Once, I waited from 6
am (the time the bus starts from the station, so they say) to 7:30 am.  For the
*FIRST* bus!!!  I guess the bus drivers have had a difficult night.
	With this kinds of service, and they want to increase their fares?? 
This is a sick joke!
	I offer no opinions on taxis and buses not in KL/PJ tho, cos I don't
know anything about them.  I seriously hope the govt will revise their decision
(like they are going to listen to me....)
	Ciao.

-Tai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:03:15 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <siong.718335999@sfu.ca>, siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan) writes:
[munched]
> be eligible to hold scholarships given to bumis only.  The question is, I 
> thought that Bumiputera status is actually refering to the "RACE" and not
> the religion.  Example, there are a lot of Kadazans in Sabah/Sarawak (I'm
> not sure cos from the west) who are Christians but still considered to be
> bumiputeras.  It shouldn't matter what religion you to be classified under
> the bumiputera status.  Can anybody explain this?
> 		  The above isn't intended to offend any religion or race.  As
> I have said, just plain curiosity.

	Yes, in M'sia, it is related to religion.  If you convert out (for the
Peninsular Malays) you are not "bumi" anymore.  Sabah and Sarawak is special
case.  There are even some "chinese bumis" there I believe.  I have also heard
cases where "non-bumis" who married "bumis" were given "bumi" status, ie can
invest in the govt investment scheme, but it could be that they are using their
spouses "bumi" privs and do not actually have it themselves.  No explanations. 
It just is.
	Ciao.

-Tai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean