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From: Bert Smith <bowler@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: MAC Hypercard Stack of Clinton-Gore Position Papers and Speeches
X-Xxdate: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:23:14 GMT
Organization: Volunteer Clinton/Gore Email Team
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:21:24 GMT

In article <28469@life.ai.mit.edu> John C. Mallery, jcma@ai.mit.edu
writes:
>A MAC Hypercard Stack of Clinton-Gore Position Papers and Speeches is
>now available. If you would like a copy (800K / 1 disk), please send a
>note to Michael (msagosta@cs.unlv.edu), who along with JBLIII authored
>the Mac stack.

A much faster way to get this stack is using anonymous ftp to
sumex-aim.stanford.edu (directory: /info-mac/card file
clinton-issues.hqx).  You must debinhex this file.  But you can have it
in minutes.  You also won't fill up Micheal's mailbox.

-bert smith
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.activism.d
From: Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:12:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.034327.3571@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>Why isn't a fetus considered a living entity??
	Who said it wasn't?  Of course it's alive.  So is an egg.  So are sperm.
So what?  Does that make masturbation mass murder?

>
>I could understand if there were extreme circumstances, but what about
>abortions carried out simply because the parents think a child might
>be an inconvenience.  I could understand if perhaps it was known that a
>child would be born with major medical problems and not live very long if
>born. But each case must be looked at individually.
	Couldn't agree more.  And the individuals who should be looking at it
are the pregnant woman and anyone she feels a need to consult with.  Not the
police or a local judge.
>
>Simon
Chuck
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From: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Kremlin_Gate: Bill Clinton in Moscow during Viet Nam.
Date: 6 Oct 1992 16:55:46 GMT
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Stephen Tice  writes...
|>I really had no reason to be against Clinton before this.
|>I did have real concerns about anyone who's a war protester
|>being able to lead the country in the event of war, since 
|>you have to have people go and fight.
|> 
|>alone, and made efforts to change his citizenship to British,
|> 
|>Clinton better tell the whole story now. And he better go
|>beyond a reasonable doubt.
|> 
We are certainly getting a lot of milage out of an admittedly
speculative comment made by Robert Dornan, a congressman
that is to the right of Falwell.  What he said was that Clinton
spent several days in Moscow (not true, it was one day of a
40 day european vacation) and that if Americans, particularly
anti-war Americans, were in Moscow, they "would have been
contacted by the KGB."

Dornan says he has no proof.  He is assuming that this 
happened.  It just occurred to him.

This is the same Robert Dornan who started as a right wing
TV talk show commentator (sounds like a trend) and whose wife
once asked (when co-hosting) if homosexuality was hereditary.

-- 
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occasionaly my (grown) children's, never my employer's.
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From: mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Some more about 'RIGHTS'
Summary: Crusader Randroid
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:20:26 GMT
Reply-To: mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Organization: N.I.C.E.
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Phil Ronzone writes:
>Well, then, per your post, PROVE IT. I have a dictionary of Rand's
>terms, and it has 350+ pages in it. And she has at least a dozen
>books that substantiate her philosophy.

Sorry, y'all, but I just had to see this reposted, all by itself.
It's priceless.  I haven't had such a good laf in months.
From: 75300.3115@compuserve.com (Clinton for President)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Satellite Schedules for Tuesday 9/28
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:23:47 GMT

Satellite Schedules for Tueasday 9/28

Please distribute

1.

Al Gore Iraq-Gate speech,  Washington  D.C. 

9:00 am CDT		10:00 am EDT

	COORDINATES

satellite:		Galaxy 6
transponder:		5
uplink frequency:	6025
downlink frequency:	3800
audio:			6.2/6.8


2.

Clinton rally

11:00 am CDT		12:00am EDT

	COORDINATES

satellite:		Galaxy 6
transponder:		19
uplink frequency:	6305
downlink frequency:	4080
audio:			6.2/6.8

Great viewing
Jock Gill
Little Rock



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From: bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu (Ken Fisler)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Improving the nation's infrastructure
Date: 27 Sep 92 06:21:58 GMT


On the 4th of June this year (1992) Democratic Senator Albert
Gore of Tennessee introduced a bill, S. 2813, as a companion to a
pending House bill, H.R. 2772, that would establish in the GPO
[Government Printing Office] a single point of free online public
access, through federal depository libraries, to a wide range of
federal databases that contain electronically stored public
information. The Gore bill would also provide public access to 
agency databases through computer networks like the Internet and
the future National Research and Education Network (NREN) for a
fee, not to exceed "the incremental cost of dissemination." The
House bill, the GPO Wide Information  Network for Data Online
(WINDO) Act of 1991, will be considered at a hearing tentatively
set for July 23 before the House Administration Committee. The 
full text of the new Senate bill, the GPO Gateway to Government
Act of 1992, is in the Congressional Record on page S7600. It was
referred to the Senate Rules and Administration Committee. 

A broad spectrum of research, educational and public interest
organizations support H.R. 2772, including the American Library
Association, the Association of Research Libraries and the 
Medical Library Association. Because it will give the general
public access to a wealth of government information, this bill
should lead to a more open government and a better informed 
electorate, aims which, I think we would all agree, are in the
best interest of this country. I would hope that members of the
network community will support this important legislation and
other similar legislation to come by supporting Bill Clinton and
Al Gore for president and vice-president.

	Internet:	bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu
	Bitnet: 	bc151%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
	Audio:		Ken Fisler
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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell ("Droopy"))
Subject: Perot's committtee investigates volunteers
	
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:54:23 GMT

This was during a period when Perot was denying reports that he used
investigators to dig up dirt on business rivals. His committee paid
nearly$80,000 for the investigative work. Among the things the investigators
looked for was general background checks as well as the credit history.

This was confirmed by a member of the Committee. He defended the action,
"We had ex-cons, ex-con men, people who were swindlers and had been 
convicted of that." 

However, Perot apparently didn't know about the investigators until
last week when he noticed the charges on the expense account.

Apparently the Post (or atleast the Albany Times Union...my source)
 believes in deceiving headlines because the title read, "Perot suspicious
of his own volunteers," even though Perot supposedly didn't know about
the investigations until recently.
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Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:49591 talk.abortion:40603 alt.activism.d:3543
From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:47:12 GMT
Organization: Rescorla for himself.

In article <1992Oct06.002612.118841@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com writes:
>In  <1992Oct5.201136.23879@cs.yale.edu>  rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>I assume the following is what she's referring to.
Interestingly enough, no.
We've exchanged email. The data she is referring to appear to be unpublished.

The study you cite here does not control for the women's emotional
states before the pregnancy, as far as I can tell. To conclude
that abortions are likely to be beneficial(i.e. a good choice) would
be post hoc in the extreme. It could be that the women with better
prospects were more likely to have abortions.
-Ekr

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From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: Re: A question I have always wanted to ask
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:08:32 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Sep28.211736.19085@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>Why does no one ever talk about UnBornGrandParents?

Don't give them ideas, drieux, they'll use the time-traveler argument on you.

Big Al.  Hey, ain't there a song "I'm my own granpa"?
From: "lois laulicht" <lois.laulicht@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: perot treating us lik
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:00:28 EST
Reply-To: "lois laulicht" <lois.laulicht@channel1.com>
Distribution: talk
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

     Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc

     Subject: Perot treating us like idiots




|>> Ross Perot continually states that his "campaign" (good choice of words
|>> for a non-candidate) is driven from the bottom up.  He says that the troops
|>> will decide if he re-enters the race.  He says that it is not his decision.
|>>
|>> If I were stupid enough to believe this then I would believe:
|>>
|>> 1.       It was his troops that decided he should drop out earlier.
|>
|>  Wrong.  He said that was his own decision, which he now believes is a
|>mistake.

PH>No you are both wrong. Perot is following the orders given to him by George
PH>Herbert Walker Bush.

PLEASE! STOP! This is supercilious arrogance! We may fumble around a
good deal, but in this country sucessful, and often ordinary, people
OUT OF THE ADMINISTRATION don't take mindless orders...not even from their
President.

The extreme right is claiming a grudge fight to destroy Bush.


PH>Perot has at all times strenuously attempted to align himself with the Democrats
PH>platform. This is so that he takes voters from Clinton who will return to Bush
PH>when he quits a second time endorsing Bush just before polling day.


Why would a billionaire do anything so stupid.  He can't deliver me or
anyone else.  We support him because we agree with much of what he is
advocating. Such stale bilge!

-lois
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines
From: wayne@mathematik.uni-Bremen.de (Wayne Tvedt)
Subject: Lard
Organization: 250 Million Pet Rocks
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:11:51 GMT
Summary: so they really were death camps 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Keywords: Brcko, sounds like Chelmno 

(As for the last paragraph, a forwarded UPI article in s.c.yugo
clarifies that the bodies destroyed at the lard plant were not
boiled but cremated.)

New York Times Service writes on 9/28:
"U.S. Says Serbs Slew 3,000

"Washington -- The United States has obtained reliable information
that 'as many as 3,000' Muslim men, women and children were killed
in May and June at Serb-run detention camps near the Bosnian town
of Brcko, according to several senior administration officials.

  "Reports of mass killings in Bosnia have been circulating since
July, but the officials said this was the first time they had developed
independent information corroborating such reports.
  ...
  "'We believe we have good information,' an s.a.o. said.  'It needs
to be looked into some more, and we are turning the information over 
to the UN Human Rights Commission for investigation.  It leads to the
conclusion that in various camps and detention centers in May and June 
as many as 3,000 people were killed.'

  "The information is based on interviews with survivors and other
intelligence sources.

  "The officials said that the information indicated that most of the
killings occurred during May and June, when Serbian forces took over
and occupied Brcko.

  "The officials said they believed that the Serbs moved into the town
in April, taking over a police station and dismissing Muslim policemen
and other Muslim officials.  Then roving bands of Serbs went through
Brcko, arresting and detaining the Muslims.

  "The Muslims were held in a number of centers.

  "Some were held in a brick factory and others at a pig farm.  The 
conditions in the detention camps were bad, and the Muslims were beaten
and tortured.

  "The officials said that according to some accounts, as many as 50
Muslims were killed at a time.  The bodies were reportedly transported
at night.

  "Some were said to have been dumped in the nearby Sava River, others
buried in a mass grave.

  "Other bodies reportedly were destroyed at a plant where animal remains
are boiled to produce lard."

Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:48283 talk.abortion:38958
From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Date: 28 Sep 1992 13:46:51 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
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In article <1992Sep28.164104.18842@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>Why don't abortion opponents join together to help get a ban
>on something around which a consensus could be contrived: say,
>a ban on abortions after the first trimester? 

Just taking a wild guess, I'd suggest it's because you can't
formulate a nice clear cut emotional argument for such a thing that
doesn't invite intense scrutiny and argument.  It's much easier to
point at conception as an 'event' from which to protect feti, than it
is to point to some arbitrary time along a continuum and make an argue-
ment for it.

Which is not to say that I don't think you are absolutely right in  
pointing out that more people would go along with such a thing -- because
of their own 'discomfort' with the notion of aborting fetuses that look
like cute cuddly little babies.

But it would be even more of an affront to intellectual honesty.  More
folks would have to recognise that they are supporting a law from the
indefinable sense of 'ickky' than from any sensible stance.

>It is not the place of those who oppose abortion to hide
>behind self-righteousness and assume that complications from
>abortion are God's retribution. 

It isn't?  How do you know?

>country were able to arrive at a consensus on what rights the
>unborn have. 


Whatsamater with "none"?

Adrienne Regard

Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:48340 talk.politics.theory:4368
From: xor@acm.acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Media coverage for Marrou/Lord (call these #'s!)
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:39:36 GMT

In article <5OCT199221582302@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) writes:
>In article <qnksiqc@zola.esd.sgi.com>, erik@westworld.esd.sgi.com (Erik Fortune) writes...
>> 
>>In article <5OCT199218410225@utarlg.uta.edu>, b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu writes:
>>> Perot has been in the media longer than the LP's been around.
>> 
>>Are you certain of that?  The first I'd ever heard of Perot was the
>>hostage thing.
>> 
>>-- Erik
>
>According to the Current Biography article from 1971, Perot made
>his fortune '68 ($200M) and parlayed it up to a billion by '70.
>His philathropic work hits the press about the same time, and
>the POW work dates from '69.
>
>If the LP predates this, I'm getting fuzzy. It has been 10 years
>since I was a libertarian, so maybe. Of course Rand's work is
>much earlier, but the point is the LP, ie. the party itself.

The Libertarian Party was founded in December 1971.  John Hospers ran
for President in 1972 as the first LP candidate.
-- 
Joe Schwartz (xor@acm.rpi.edu)
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:49294 talk.abortion:40246 alt.activism.d:3497
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:19:44 EDT

In article <1992Oct2.180123.18903@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
> I just wonder how rational some people are when they make that decision.
> What about making a choice for life??
> 
> 
> Simon
> 
> 

How about jumping off a bridge? Clone.

-Garrett



Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR GEORGE BUSH!
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:14:57 GMT

In article <96915@bu.edu> tesco@bumetb.bu.edu (Dances With Babes) writes:
>Just wanted everyone in Mass to know that the Prez is gonna be at 
>Faneuil Hall Friday at around 4pm.  Remember, Slick Willie was here last
>week and unfortunately he got a decent crowd, so if you're gonna vote for
>Bush drop by..........

This is the Traffic Chopper, and there're no problems in the area
around Faneuil Hall this afternoon....

--
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were foxes...."
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From: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: VOTE GRITZ: Solutions and Hope
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:03:26 GMT
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
Organization: Mips Technologies, Inc.
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Glenn Berg) writes:
|> 
|> Good grief, get a grip!  Neither I, Anita, nor Bo are trying to force you to
|> become a Christian.  I do HOPE, however, that you are trying to live the
|> Judeo-Christian ethic--you know, little things like: Thou shalt not kill, Thou
|> shalt not steal, Thou shalt not commit adultery (where are you Bill?), Love thy
|> neighbor, etc.--since the health of our nation depends on the actions of her
|> citizens.
|> 
Since when did this become the Judeo-Christian ethic.  It is possible to
hold all of your definitions of ethic and still believe in less than one,
or more than one god.  Morality, by your examples, are neither necessarily
nor properly supported by all "judeo-christian" religions (and certainly
not their members).

It is this arrogance that is the basis of concern over creeping religious
control of government.  This is a country, not a church.  Iran is a good
example of what happens when the line is crossed.

-- 
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my dog's,
occasionaly my (grown) children's, never my employer's.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: 76330.3412@CompuServe.COM ("John M. Sulak")
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Libertarian are the most UNSELFISH!
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:24:52 GMT

Perhaps it is due to the ME-generation of the 1970s in which the
Libertarian Party first was formed and noticed, but may people think of 
Libertarians as selfish and interested in themselves and not others, or
the good of the nation or the human race.

The facts are that Libertarians want YOU to live YOUR life in the way YOU
want to live. They do not wish to control your life as Republicans want to
control your private life and Democrats want to control your economic
life.

The Soviets had near total control over production and prices [as well as
speech] for the good of the people and to prevent "profiteering and
counterrevolutionary ideas". The prices and production remained low and
people spend most of their days waiting in lines. Governments can't
possibly know what is best for each citizen, certainly not better than
each citzen does for him or her self.

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From: lyford@dagny.webo.dg.com (Lyford Beverage)
Subject: Re: If you don't want Perot:  Bend over to the Republocrats.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 20:26:09 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1992Sep30.094011.1440@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

|  Although Clinton's plans are good, he'll deficit this
|> country into oblivion with his infrastructures.  
|> 

To paraphrase Douglas Adams, 
	This must be some strange new definition of the word "good" that I 
was previously unaware of.
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From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Re: I hereby declare...
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:38:37 GMT

arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes:

] In article <16873CA0E.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu writes:
] >In article <1992Oct1.071914.1089@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
] >c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:
] > 
] >And I hereby declare that drieux's postings make the least sense.
] 
] He makes plenty sense.  You just gotta learn to read metaphor is all.
] (That, and ThisSortaCrap)
] 
] Big Al.  Say, drieux, you wouldn't be part NotFood, would ya?

sorry Big Al but we only talk about NotFood if the
thread is crossposted to rec.foods.life.style.options
Or Alt.religion.computers.one.true.way....

ciao
drieux

ps: he who posts from ColoState should not
argue about Lettering schema....

Glass, Rock, What?


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