HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones,AMJ1,)
Subject: Re: Why America ? 
Reply-To: alanj@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:04:05 GMT

In article 114610@axion.bt.co.uk, achaplin@axion.bt.co.uk (Anthony Chaplin) writes:
>
>I have a question for all you Phoenix Project fans out there
>
>	Why America, why not the old Soviet Union ?
>
>Think about it logically,
>
>	1. Russia has vast tracks of barren, unpopulated lands. Compared to Russia the remote places in America really aren't that remote.
>
>	2. Russia's air traffic control and radar network is much less comphensive than the USA's, therefore the aliens could come and go more easily..
>
>	3. Russia, during the cold war was far behind the technology of the west and so would be willing to pay a higher price for alien technology ?
>
>	4. People could be silenced much more easily in the old Soviet Union than they could in the USA (except if your name was Silkwood !)
>
>Therefore if these supposed aliens had observed the earth they would have found the Old Soviet Union a much more inviting place to build K-2 ??
>
>But let me guess they do use the Soviet Union for bases, and someone somewhere (who also forgot his camera) has seen it !
>
>Don't get me wrong I don't have a closed mind to aliens (otherwise I wouldn't subscript to this newsgroup) but massive alien bases in the USA ?
>
>Cheers
>
>Tony        
>achaplin@axion.bt.co.uk    

Good point.  In fact, why not Antartica, northern Canada, or the middle of an
ocean?  The only reasons I can think of would be:

  a.  They are working with Americans which require access to the base.
  b.  Their work is in that area (outside the base, assuming they must leave
      the base to accomplish some part of their work), and fuel requirements for
      transits to/from the more remote locations is prohibitive.
  c.  Their work is in that area, and transits to/from more remote locations
      would increase the probability of detection.

It really comes down to this - why do they have a base on Earth at all?

Of course, the possible existence of an alien base in the U.S. does not preclude
the possibility of bases existing in these other, more remote, places either.

---
sincerely,
Alan Jones  /  Texas Instruments, Dallas, TX  /  email=alanj@dadd.ti.com

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Subject: Re: Elapsed Time near c (was Re: Q&A on Extraterr
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 20:54:51 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <62660@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:
>
>Are not the effects of mass (and therefore gravity) instantaneously permeated
>thoughout the (known) universe?  Or hasn't this issue been resolved?  I'm not
>a physicist, so consider this as lay speculation/conjecture; I visit SLAC and
>other such places, and I'm in awe of the experiments they conduct.
>
>Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com ]

The idea behind special relativity is that information cannot be conveyed
from place to place at a velocity exceeding the speed of light.  Since 
gravity betrays the presence of matter its effects cannot propogate 
faster than the speed of light.  Another way to look at it that gravity
like other forces is conveyed by bosons.  Bosons, depending on if they
are massive or not travel at the below or at the speed of light
respectively.

P.S. We have a pretty nice accelerator here at LAMPF/LANL (Los Alamos
Meson Physics Facilty/Los Alamos Nat'l Labs)


cary@dsirae.lampf.lanl.gov

My opinions, mine, mine, mine!

To me, boxing is like ballet, except there's no music, no choreography,
and the dancers hit eachother.
From: ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John Winstone
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:19:42 GMT
Organization: Wanganui Amigans, Wanganui, New Zealand

John Winstone writes:

>Dear Press: You made the statement, John you would be God. This statement

>that you made in jest is actually the ultimate goal of enlightment and

>that is to be at one with God. Then you would know everything.

>John Winston.

Now John, you should realise that your ethos itself is misguided. Salvation 
is in the seeking. The realisation of your stated goal would result in a 
worse Hell than Nietzsche's eternal recurrence. You would do better to look 
to folklore than try to invent your own reality. The expression "God (only) 
knows" is in the vernacular for a reason.

As a precursor to the self-styled boundary riders who call themselves 
flamers - you are right, this is a violation of "netiquette", but your 
methods have not worked to date. Neither will this - lemmings are hard to 
head off.


ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto)
From: kfisher3@mach4.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Moon activities?
Summary: wierd scenes inside the gold mine
Keywords: moon, wierd
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:56:26 GMT
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University

Someone posted earlier about lights on the moon and a bridge thing happening
about 30 years ago.  Even though this is about 10 years before my time, I
still read about it.  I also heard, about little 'domes' appearing upon the
moon's face around Plato, around this time.  Does anyone have any further
info, ie. was any reason found for these sightings?

I also read that somewhere back in the telescope age several witnesses
worldwide confirmed the presence of a strange flying 'M' over the surface of
Mars, stationary, for several days (weeks?).  Anyone know anything?
Of course, these are the people who also saw 'canals' on Mars too..

T-T,
-kev


-- 
Kevin Fisher  ><>    UUCP:kfisher3@mach4.wlu.ca             Tiger-Tiger!
Physics & Computing '92 at WLU  - - "I can't handle it!"
		We're gonna have a ball tonight,
			Down at the Globe.."  - - BAD II
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: ewillims@unix1.tcd.ie (Emma Williams)
Subject: E.W.- UFO sighted!
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:56:49 GMT

 Here is a news article as reported in today's Irish Independant
Newspaper, Monday, July 27th......


	SPY PLANE SPARKS SCARE


A MYSTERIOUS, fast moving shape in the sky has been
scaring sheep in western Scotland and rattling
windows in Los Angeles.
	There are reports of sudden "pulsating roars".






That's all it said.... Are we to presume that these events have 
happened simultaneously??? Reporting just isn't what it used to be!
 
    ____________________________________________________________________
    |   Emma Williams            | Dad, I guess you're wondering why   |
    |   ewillims@unix1.tcd.ie    | I'm ringing you..--Calvin & Hobbes  |
    |				 | (eller Steen og Stoffer :-> )       |
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: ldoering@engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering)
Subject: Time's Arrow (fossil tire tracks)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:37:18 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Jul24.175845.18683@m.cs.uiuc.edu> mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>In article <62705@cup.portal.com>, thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes in part:
>|> If it's a joke, then it's one on me [for I was there].
>That's what I meant.
>
>I tend to suspect you could have seen a plaster cast of footprints
>with jeep tracks added.  Easy enough to do.  Pretty funny, too.
>
>|> As for science-fiction, could not the author have seen the same exhibit which
>|> stimulated HIS story?  Have you a reference [title, author, etc.]?
>Yes, the causation could very well be the other way.
>
>If I had the reference I would have posted it. :-)  I'm still searching.
>I think this was in a collection of short stories by Arthur C. Clarke.
>Anyone want to help out here?

I don't remember the name of the short story collection, but the story is
called "Time's Arrow", and is by Arthur C. Clarke.  (Paleontologists travel
back in time with jeep & equipment, never return; colleagues later discover
fossil jeep tire tracks overlaid with carnivorous dinosaur footprints, 
with increasing spacing, as if the dinosaur was CHASING SOMETHING...)

ljd
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Boy or Girl  (was Re: e: Ley Lines)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 10:48:03 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

---There is a lady who has done a lot of investigating on the Mysterious
Rock Walls and she has a newsletter about them and other energy points.
You might write her if you like. 
Louise Lacey P.O. Box 489 Berkeley, Calif. 94701
This weekend I was near Malibu, Caliif. in the ruins of a 30,000 year
old city and it had wall just about like the walls up here in the 
San Francisco Bay Area. The city was called Mu.
John Winston.
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Rogue Agent)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Spaceships Beyond Our Ken(was Re: Elapsed
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:35:19 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler) 20 JUL 92 20:56:21 GMT types-
>Say (this is alt.alien.visitors) has this technology been captured 
>from aliens(of tau ceti) that the CIA has hjad inside the Pentagon 
>for 73 years.

	This would be a really neat trick, especially as neither the 
Pentagon nor the CIA has been in existence that long.

	RA
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: fedrick@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Kelvin W. Fedrick)
Subject: Re: zeta reticuli?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:16:12 GMT

In article <62579@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:
>In article <mBoaoB1w165w@spectrx.saigon.com>
>aaron@spectrx.saigon.com (Aaron Anderer - System) writes:
>
>|  [...]
>|  be discovered or created, even fudged so we could understand how you can 
>|  go through space that fast without the g-force problems associated with 
>|  normal rocket accelleration.
>|  [...] 
>
>Wellll, a "solution" to the problem of g-forces would be an "inertia-less"
>drive.  One would be even able to make abrupt, right-angle turns at speed
>without any deleterious effects.

 Oh come on people. Use the correct terms for christ sake. It is called
 an Inertial Dampening Field (IDF), and *everyone* knows you need one of
 these if you dont want to spend 99% of your time accelarating and
 decelarating before and after you jump through hyperspace. Remember
 you can't go through the jump near any large gravitational fields.
 Huh? Oh, you didn't know that either? Sigh.

-kelvin
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: mds@netmbx.netmbx.de (Michael Such)
Subject: Re: Elapsed Time near c (was Re: Q&A on Extraterr
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:32:24 GMT

In article <14jvecINNaa8@agate.berkeley.edu> clune@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Clune) writes:
>A while back, some astronomers noticed some jets associated with galaxies that
>"appeared" to exceed the speed of light.  The simple resolution of this paradox
>is relevant to this discussion.
>
>Suppose a ship takes off from a star 10 light years away, and heads straight
>toward Earth.  Lets assume the ship quickly attains the speed of 90%
>of the speed of light (relative to the earth).
>At first we on Earth see nothing.  In fact only after ten years do we see
>the ship take off.  (Of course being scientists, we can then infer the original
>departure time by extrapolation.).  The ship reaches us 11.1 years after
>its departure.  Hence, a naive observer on the Earth "sees" the ship travel
>10 light years in only 1.1 years.  There is no contradiction with relativity
>here.
>
>In fact, by playing with the numbers one can arrange situations
>in which arbitrarily high speeds are "observed".  Once the propagation speed
>of the light we are using for observation is taken into account though, all
>relative velocities will be found to be less than the speed of light (according to
>special relativity, which seems prettyy well established by experiment).
>
>- Tom
>

I had an interesting thought...

If a vehicle came towards us faster than the speed of light, we would
only see it after it had passed us, and it would appear to go backwards
right?

I don't know no anything about relativity, but here's another thought...

You stick a person into a (say) faster than light subway.  the subway 
travels at (say) twice the speed of light and you give him some sandwiches
and some tea and tell him to stay on the tube for ten years, after which
he can get off, now what happens when the subway reaches the final station
after ten years (train time), does a guy get off who is ten years older
and find that a lot of older people are wondering why the train decided to
keep on going for 100 years, or is it that the train stops after 2 years
and a man who is 2 years older see's a lot of people who are 10 years
older?  or wouldn't this work on a subway? 

Mike
-- 
                              Mike Such
                       NETMBX - Berlin, Germany
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Adamski??
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 17:58:44 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

----as Nords because they look like Nordic Earth People. On their own
planet the people of Venus are on a different vibrational frequency than
us and we probuly couldn't see them unless we were altered aboard one
of their craft for a while before we got there.  This usually gives us
a tingling feeling for a while but is not unpleasant. We did not accept 
the help of the Venus people but we did make a contract with the Greys
(Zetta Reticulians) and they do look a lot different. I hope this has 
answered some of your questions. My friend Kelvin Rowe (a contactee) 
knew G. A. personally and had a high respect for him.
John Winston.
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:4761 sci.skeptic:13164
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: astral travel
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 06:25:46 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul24.040144.20572@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>

Dear Friend and the rest of you people:
I don't have time right now to talk. I hope to go on a tour of an 
ancient city this Sunday, see ya later.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jcitro3@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro III)
Subject: Re: Why America ? 
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:16:58 GMT

alanj@dadd.ti.com  writes:
> In article 114610@axion.bt.co.uk, achaplin@axion.bt.co.uk (Anthony Chaplin) writes:
> >
> >I have a question for all you Phoenix Project fans out there
> >
> >	Why America, why not the old Soviet Union ?
> >
> >Think about it logically,
> >
> >	1. Russia has vast tracks of barren, unpopulated lands. Compared to Russia the remote places in America really aren't that remote.
> >
> >	2. Russia's air traffic control and radar network is much less comphensive than the USA's, therefore the aliens could come and go more easily..
> >
> >	3. Russia, during the cold war was far behind the technology of the west and so would be willing to pay a higher price for alien technology ?
> >
> >	4. People could be silenced much more easily in the old Soviet Union than they could in the USA (except if your name was Silkwood !)
> >
> >Therefore if these supposed aliens had observed the earth they would have found the Old Soviet Union a much more inviting place to build K-2 ??
> >
> >But let me guess they do use the Soviet Union for bases, and someone somewhere (who also forgot his camera) has seen it !
> >
> >Don't get me wrong I don't have a closed mind to aliens (otherwise I wouldn't subscript to this newsgroup) but massive alien bases in the USA ?
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Tony        
> >achaplin@axion.bt.co.uk    
> 
> Good point.  In fact, why not Antartica, northern Canada, or the middle of an
> ocean?  The only reasons I can think of would be:
> 
>   a.  They are working with Americans which require access to the base.
>   b.  Their work is in that area (outside the base, assuming they must leave
>       the base to accomplish some part of their work), and fuel requirements for
>       transits to/from the more remote locations is prohibitive.
>   c.  Their work is in that area, and transits to/from more remote locations
>       would increase the probability of detection.
> 
> It really comes down to this - why do they have a base on Earth at all?
> 
> Of course, the possible existence of an alien base in the U.S. does not preclude
> the possibility of bases existing in these other, more remote, places either.
> 
> ---
> sincerely,
> Alan Jones  /  Texas Instruments, Dallas, TX  /  email=alanj@dadd.ti.com
> 
Why not use the moon as a base? (of course maybe they are).  The close 
proximity to Earth and the seclusion would make it ideal!

                                        Joseph A. Citro III
                                        
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi
Subject: Re: John_-_Winston Poll
Followup-To: re:john_-_winston poll
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:21:46 EET

>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>	Helleo, every one there :)
>>
>>	I guess taht Mr. winston is a science fiction author and always would
>>	like to post his new inspiration to Net. Let it be, please :)
>>
>>	Let everyone who don't like to read those fiction stuff just skip it:)
>>	As we know most of enthusiasm in this group are serious scholars.
>>
>>	Well, let it be, Please :) Because I think there is still a lot of 
>>	readers who are interested in reading those stuffs. Otherwise the group
>>	will be full of complaining message rather than Mr. Winston's fiction 
>>	stuffs :) I remembered that once Einstan said, imagination is 
>>	most important to a scientist, isn't it? :) So I vote for Winston :)
>>
>>	Cheers,
>>
>>	W.S.
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------       
> 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Subject: Re: NASA's Block of Ice!
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:41:01 GMT

Jason,[you write]:

>Despite this, I must say that this video sequence show's the most
significant
>UFO in decades.

>I'd like to see more discussion of this important piece of evidence.

If you look back when this story first aired here in the U.S., you will
find a tedious amount of discussion on the piece of ice/UFO. Also check the
alt.skeptics newsgroup.

I also have a question for you folks DOWN UNDER.(That's AUSTRAILIA for
those of you who don't know where down under is.) I recall that about 3-4
years ago that
an egg shaped craft buzzed a family in a car on some highway down there. As
I recall there was some material released by the craft & it was retrieved
by the occupants of the vehicle. The material was brought in for analysis &
that was the last I ever heard about it. I think a fishing boat offshore
also reported
seeing the craft about an hour later. There was quite a bit of news on the
incident back then, but as most  news stories go , the press never really
follows up. 

Rod 


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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re:  alt.alien.visitors.John_Winston
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:21:31 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul17.165853.19046@news.eng.convex.com> <62329@cup.portal.com>

The word is vain.
John Winston.
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From: jfl@panix.com (Jeff Lipton)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Fuck the CIA
Keywords: Stollman
Date: 20 Jul 92 21:33:04 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <XTJ4NB1w164w@bluemoon.rn.com> garys@bluemoon.rn.com (Gary Stollman) writes:
>mfm0@ellis.uchicago.edu (martin frederic melhus) writes:
>
>> Gary - 
>> 
>>      Here's a little ditty I think you might need to remember:
>> 
>>      A prozac a day keeps the voices away.
>> 
>>      (I don't advocate prozac; it just fits the rhyme scheme.
>>       So, scientologists, please keep your flames to yourselves.)
>> 
>> -- 

	Actually, Prozac is an antidepressant, not an antipsychotic,
so it is unlikely to ameliorate distressing auditory hallucinations.
<Of course, it may make them seem less distressing...>

 - Jeff



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From: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien endorses Clinton!
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:53:46 GMT
Reply-To: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <Bs7rLr.2oA@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
>   No kidding!  Check the tabloid counter at your supermarket.

Damn alien!  He was buddy-buddy with my pal Ross just a couple weeks ago...



kbq

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                                    | {mtzinu,pacbell,ll-winken,sun}!ingres.com
My opinions are my own.  Should you think otherwise, think again.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Kill file
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 10:54:14 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Kevin: 
I believe that if you use the commands subscribe and unsubscribe it 
will give you what you want.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Subject: Re: Ley Linesj
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:50:25 GMT


Hi Everyone,
I'm gonna get totally jaked and blow lunch this sunday.
later,
barry--
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
From: garys@bluemoon.rn.com (Gary Stollman)
Subject: INVASION!!!
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 02:02:45 EDT

I wish to make it known that the sysop of this system is completely 
innocent of tampering with my signon and I was wrong to accuse him of 
such...However, SOMEONE did forge those letters that I supposedly wrote 
from here, and other places as well...In a little while, I will be filing 
my lawsuit in federal court, and I WILL be voicing my experiences in a 
court of law...If you want to think I a nut, fine...But please don't try 
to ruin my reputation by making others believe that I am writing totally 
ludicrous notes on here...Thank You,
                        Gary Stollman

 This is from
     garys@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
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From: cfkfb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Karl Bridges)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: feed JW to the Greys
Summary: Feed John Winston to the Greys
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:45:59 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network


 Could we arrange to feed John Winston to the Greys. Perhaps staking
him out somewhere where they've been active.  Big sign visible from
orbit "Free Eats"  
Xref: sparky alt.butt-keg.marmalade:2 talk.bizarre:22625
From: rdc@netcom.com (Bob D. Crane)
Newsgroups: alt.butt-keg.marmalade,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: butt-kegs marmalade
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:16:33 GMT
Organization: Symbolics Institute

es@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Endric Schubert) writes:
>
>muss sich wohl um butter-kekse und marmelade handeln? :-)
>
>prost jungs!

...in bed.


.
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