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From: eric.larson@f620.n2605.z1.ieee.org (eric larson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Where the mac really wins
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:17:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2605/620 - Shockwave Rid, Freehold NJ


 ##Come on, people. We know what's really involved here: Windows and OS/2
 ##look like crap, and System 7 is pretty and cute. I would much rather
 ##spend my hours looking at a mac desktop, than an IBM anything. Besides,
 ##any GUI that forces me to double click to close a window does not deserve
my
 ##attention. Of course, neither has anything on NeXTstep!

 # Oh come on. Windows 3.1 on SVGA is very nice. A Mac at the standard
 # 640x480 looks about like Windows at 640x480. Just plain fuzzy, grainy
 # and cluttered.

I really disagree. I have both a Mac IIcx and a Compaq Prolinea 486/50 in my
lab. While the 486/50 is obviously a faster and newer machine, and the SVGA
provides higer pixel counts, but when I try to run SVGA on a 14" monitor, the
pixels are so badly smeared that the display is far more difficult to read
than in 650x480 mode, so that is where it stays. I also find that Windows
gratuitous use of colors to be very annoying, and extremely poor human
engineering. I also have FAR more configuration problems every time I want to
do something on a network - we even brought in a consultant to try to get the
X terminal software on this thing to run, and HE couldn't get it to work,
while MacX was strictly plug & go. Then we have all sorts of nightmarish
problems with hardware interfacing - like some of the comm software that we
use to configure external d/a hardware requires you to turn off the processor
cache before you can use the serial port, and then there is some software that
requires 16 color .PCX files, but to get PC Paintbrush to save 16 color .PCX,
you have to have put the display into 16 color mode(talk about BRAIN-DEAD),
which requires that you install a different driver every time you want to
switch display modes and you STILL really need to use the DOS command line for
many common tasks like formatting floppy disks or running the backup software,
and then there is the problem of configuring CEMM.SYS so that the software
that insists on a page frame address of D000 can run without hanging the whole
mess. And so on and so on.

The Compaq was cheap. And yes, it is fast. But working with it on a day to day
basis, especially in terms of the configuration hassles has MORE than eaten up
any time savings from the increased speed, and has cost us far more in lost
time than the dollar savings. Windows looks nice. But it suffers terribly
because it is NOT an well-integrated operating system. Maybe when Windows NT
becomes available, some of these problems will go away.

If it does, I'll buy into it. But right now, Windows 3.1 is not even close.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jrg@punch (James R. Goble)
Subject: Re: Upgrading the IIsi:  Video Card or Accelerator
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:47:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.220810.18278@ncsu.edu> smisra@eos.ncsu.edu (SAURABH  
MISRA) writes:
> If you only have around $500 to spend to make the IIsi faster,
> should you get a accelerated Nubus video card or an accelerator
> (like the Daystar 33 for $549).  Also if you replace the crystal
> with a 50Mhz one, will the video be faster than that obtained
> from an accelerated video card, like the E-Machines Doublecolor SX?
> 
> thanks
> 
> Saurabh

Just my personal opinion, but if I only had money to do one thing I would  
buy the accelerator.  The video card only accelerates video.  The  
accelerator will accelerate everything, including video.  As to replacing  
the Xtal, see the 25MHz IISi discussions.  The card may not work at 50MHz.
From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Performa 600 - not a cripple!
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 11:21:48 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
Reply-To: erics@infoserv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


Frank.Mclaughlin@f175.n2240.z1.ieee.org (Frank Mclaughlin) writes:

> OK, it's like this.  The Performa 600 clearly beats the heck out of the IIsi,
> right?

The correct machine to compare against the P600 is the IIci, not the
IIsi. In such a comparison, the P600 doesn't do so well. It has no cache
and no easy way to add any, the FPU is extra, and despite a faster processor
it's system bus is slower, resulting in worse performance. I'm not sure,
but it seems that price is about the same for both. Other factors are
a matter of taste, but I much prefer the IIci's plastic case to the P600's
metal one. I have to wonder why the IIci is being discontinued. Hopefully
the Centris line will give us some machines which haven't cut corners
on technology in order to be price competitive.

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From: kemper@informatik.uni-kl.de (Michael Kemper [RHRK])
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 486 vs. Mac Bench (MOVE TO ADVOCACY!)
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:20:25 GMT
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern

There are Newsgroups called comp.sys.x.advocay, where x is one of {mac, os2, ibm, pc, atari,
amiga} where you can post Articles like that. The few who are really interested in this boring
question "Which computer is the best?" will read them there, all others were happy if they wouldn't
see them anymore. So please, post your Articles where they belong...

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From: tomd@horse.demon.co.uk (Tom Davies)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Q: IIsi switched outlet ?? Watts
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:29:31 GMT
Organization: None
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A75AC022360108B0@horse.demon.co.uk>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 21 Dec 92 00:28:18 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

Can someone tell me how many watts I can sink from the switched outlet on 
a IIsi? I'd like to connect everything (monitor, modem, external drive, 
printer, fish tank heater...) to it if poss.

TIA

Tom
From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Performa 600 - not a cripple!
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:25:40 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
Reply-To: erics@infoserv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In kanefsky@halcyon.com (Steve Kanefsky) writes:

> In article <D2150056.l1s5kx@erics.infoserv.com> erics@infoserv.com writes:

> >> As a user of the radio spectrum, I applaud Apple's efforts to continue to
> >> improve the radiation characteristics of their machines.  While the IIci is
> >> very quiet, the metal cases are not only cheaper for Apple to manufacture,
> >> they are also better suited to meeting RFI and EMC requirements.

> >As I said, it's a matter of taste. I don't give a damn about radiation
> >characteristics.

> That's like saying you don't give a damn how much your car pollutes the
> atmosphere.  Maybe someone *else* cares how much your car pollutes the
> atmosphere.

Give me a break. *How* is "polluting"  the radio spectrum like polluting
the atmosphere? Does it add to the greenhouse effect? What a ridiculous
comparison.

> In any case, it's your responsibility not to interfere with licensed
> users of the radio spectrum who are operating legally, and to accept
> interference from them (or shield your equipment if you don't want to be
> interfered with).

I seriously doubt that my IIci is interfering with any licensed users
of the radio spectrum. 

> Fortunately, Macs (including those with plastic cases) are pretty well 
> shielded.  Saying you don't care about how much you pollute the radio 
> spectrum is pretty inconsiderate, though.

Well, that's just the way it is then. Long live plastic cases, that's
what I say, in my inconsiderate manner. What a stupid argument. If Apple
could manufacture plastic cases cheaper than metal ones, I expect they
wouldn't be any too concerned about the radio spectrum either.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: pc and mac: was RE: 486 and mac benchmarks
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:13:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.222824.9100@nbnz.co.nz> warren@nbnz.co.nz (warren adams) writes:

>It takes a real computer to kick a PCs butt, ie SUN

A PC doesn't have one to kick 9-)




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From: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: When are DuoDock and Docking Station Available?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 01:42:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone have any idea when the MiniDuo Dock and the DuoDock will be
available for purchase and if there was a price change at all from the
estimated $550 for the mini and $1079 for the full dock. Personally, the
full docking station is WAY overpriced. For $1079 It should come WITH the
monitor for crying out loud!
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From: mdong@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Michael Russell Dong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Apple's product line: ideas for the future...
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:22:33 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly State Univ,CSC Dept,San Luis Obispo,CA 93407

I say ditch the 68030 all together and make the baseline processor a 20 or 25MHz68040.  They could probably make an inexpensive one right now if they weren't worried about maintaining that profit margin of theirs...no slots...scaled down 040...etc.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: world
From: Joe_Nartowicz@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:23:25 EST
Subject: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard Problem

Betty,

The first thing I would do would be to clean the keyboard. There are a number
of commercial products made for this. Most come in a spray can. Visit a local
dealer or electronics store. If that doesn't work, then you may need to have
it repaired.

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From: Eric.Choi@zeus.ieee.org (Eric Choi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Supra modem Cable
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:21:49 GMT
Organization: IEEE Service Center, Piscataway, NJ

There is no good dim sum in Michigan! 

  gu> From: gadget@engin.umich.edu (Timothy David Sharpe) Date: 11 Dec 92
  gu> 22:20:42 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann
  gu> Arbor Message-ID: <hbR=S!A@engin.umich.edu> Newsgroups:
  gu> comp.sys.mac.hardware
  gu> 
  gu> Can one make, or buy the supra modem separately? What is different
  gu> from the null modem cable?
  gu> 
  gu> Tim
  gu> --- Squish v1.01
  gu>  * Origin: zeus.ieee.org * [140.98.1.1]  (1:107/10)

It's a hardware handshake cable. MacConnection sells the same for $15.00 plus
$3.00 shipping.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: meharg@fraser.sfu.ca (Gersham William Meharg)
Subject: Re: PB 160/180 Heatsinks...
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:23:21 GMT

jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) writes:

>I wouldn't remove them. Sell your memory module to someone who can use it
>and buy a new one. That's what I did. There's no way that the Lifetime
>Memory Systems card would have fit in my PB160. The heat sinks are there
>for a good reason. Apple doesn't put them there just to waste money.

Hmm, how do you replace the Heatsinks?

I ordered a PB 160 6Meg memory module from memory direct and the sent
me a PB140 one. Not knowing the difference (there was no label, and I
have never seen one before), I brought the module to my apple dealer
to get installed. I knew about the problems with the old modules not
fitting, but I thought that I had one that would fit (I specified this
when ordering). The Apple dealer installed the memory and brought out
a bag with little foam pads. I asked the guy if the pads were heat
sinks (twice) and was told that they were not (he said they were
spacers). Dubious I went home thinking "He's an Apple tech, he should
know whats inside a Mac", yeah right. So I posted this question, and
found out the two little foam pads were heatsinks. I have a
replacement memory module coming (one that fits into a 160 properly),
meanwhile my 160 is sitting here missing two heatsinks, how do I put
them in again?

I wonder if Apple training says that if something doesnt fit inside a
computer to remove components until it does...

Never trust anyone with you computer it seems.

Gersham Meharg
SFU, Canada
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Duo 230 Hard Drive Q?
From: ibhan@husc10.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:59:14 GMT

cmparris@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu (Chris Michael Parrish) writes:

> The question I have is about the internal Duo drive (an 80 meg). I've noticed
>that every so often it makes a little thunking sound (the closest thing I have
>heard to it before is the sound a 44 meg Syquest makes when it is winding down,
>right before the lights go off and you can eject the cartridge). I've made
>sure that sleep and the screen diming are off, and it continues to happen
>even when docked...anyway know if this might be a problem about to surface
>or if it is standard on these small drives.....?

I believe many current drives have it to prevent some sort of problem.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:58:32 -0500 
From: Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: THE FINAL WORD IN THE MAC vs PC BATTLE....

wondertr@fraser.sfu.ca (wondertree learning center) writes:
> I will end this discussion once and for all.

Yeah, right.

> The best machine is the one that makes you the most MONEY!!

Actually, that's wrong too.  Many people don't have computers to make
money for themselves.  The best machine is the machine that does what
you want it to do the best (fastest, and with the least amount of
seriously inconveniencing hassles).  If you want it to use it to make
money for you, then you need the one that is likely to help you make
the most money.


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From: afry@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Alan R. Fry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: PB100 battery troubles
Summary: doesn't keep charge to spec
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:56:48 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


My brother is having trouble with his brand new PB100 battery.  As soon as
he unplugs the charger, the battery indicators (he has 3 of them) all drop a
notch, or sometimes two, instead of showing that he retains a full charge.
He also is only getting about 40 minutes of use (with conservative power
habits) before he gets his first low-battery warning message.

He is running MyBattery, which tells him that the voltage drops from 7.x when
charging to 6.x when he pulls the charger.  MyBattery also tells him that he
has about 1 hour of use on a 'fully charged' battery.  He had this problem
with the original battery and charger, but he's using a new battery and new
charger (from the Apple dealer) now, and he has the same problems as
before.  

I have read a post or two from folks complaining about the lead-acid battery
performance of the PB100's, and it seems like my brother's problems are not
unique.  Does anyone have 1) similar experiences, 2) any semi-detailed
technical information about what the battery behavior should be, or 3) any
work-around ideas (3rd party lead-acid or nicad batteries,
power-conditioning chargers, small animal sacrifices, etc.)

All replies, posted or emailed, will be appreciated.

Cheers,

Alan
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: blaine@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Greyland Blaine Mull)
Subject: Re: Using Color on a Classic II
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:16:40 GMT

dross@cambizola.cs.wisc.edu (Dan Ross) writes:

>Also--a Classic II is the same as a Performa 200.  No rumor there.
>(Subtle difference I noticed--the case is perforated on a 200 where
>the speaker is whereas it is not on a Classic II.  Also, the system
>software with a 200 is different.)

 	Beg to differ with you here....
I bought a Classic II from my university two months ago, and the side of
my case IS perforated and on the front of my mac is says "Classic II".
Sorry, just finishing up exams and I feel like contradicting everyone...

>Dan

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From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 3rd Party SCSI Formatters
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:09:41 GMT
Organization: Chevron


 If you get your Maxtor from APS, they include their
 ALLIANCE POWER TOOLS software which includes a nice
 formatter.

 TRAVIS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: screen jumping on SE/30
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 21:39:04 GMT


my SE/30 (circa 1989) has, since the beginning of the semester,
had a somewhat unstable picture.  the picture changes size occasionally
(but mostly only horizontally as far as i can tell), and there's
some flicker occasionally.

i've been reluctant to give it a good whack to see if that will cure
the problem, since i also have a hard disk in it.  i am afraid that
my power supply is getting flaky, but it also occurred to me that
something might have come loose inside (i carried it on the plane
when i came back to school, and i wasn't having any problems before).
or perhaps it's the outlet that it's connected to, but i have it plugged
into a surge suppressor/noise filter.

i've read the thread on the MacPlus problems, but my computer has
a working fan.

thanks for your help.
-teddy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: world
From: Matt_Harrop@magicbb.uucp
Organization: MAGIC - Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:29:25 EST
Subject: Re: Crash-Happy Mac II (possible hardware ?)

That harmonic is the Mac's way of saying "HELP ME".  It indicates a hardware
error.  It could be RAM.  The first thing to check is if the SIMMs are all in
place.  Pull them out, then pop them back in.  If that doesn't work, try using
a cotton swab and a SMALL AMOUNT of rubbing alcohol to clean the contacts on
the SIMMs.  You could do the same to the contacts on the motherboard, but I
don't recomend it.  Try replacing the SIMMS.  If that doesn't work, it's probably
new motherboard time.  And that will cost you LARGE.

matt.harrop@magicbb.uucp
From: eric.larson@f620.n2605.z1.ieee.org (eric larson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: pc and mac: was RE: 486 and mac benchmarks
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:50:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2605/620 - Shockwave Rid, Freehold NJ


 # Then tell me why about 70% of the time in our clusters when you click
 # on a WordPerfect 2.1 document file it comes up "Application is Busy
 # Or Missing"? Does it have to do with something about Wordperfect
 # living on a server?

Probably you guys haven't paid for enough use licenses and your server key
manager is preventing you from launching Word Perfect.

Naughty boy!

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From: kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu (Kirk W Goodwin)
Subject: REQUEST: Listing of high speed modems
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:47:51 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

I was wondering if there was a listing of high speed modems available with each
of their features.  If not, it's about time we made one one here.  I suggest
that we ONLY include 9600 baud or better.  THEN make a listings of their
features (ie. compression, error correction, baud, fax, voice mail, caller
ID, retail price, "street" price, etc.)  It would ALSO be nice to list
the cheaper companies selling these modems.  Any takers?

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From: lou@flipper.Corp.Sun.COM ("Luis R. Ordorica")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: MacPlus - No Video!
Date: 14 Dec 1992 06:39:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lou@flipper.Corp.Sun.COM ("Luis R. Ordorica")
NNTP-Posting-Host: flipper.corp.sun.com

I have a MacPlus that exhibits the following symptoms:

	* intermittent flashing on screen

	* sometimes no video upon powerup

	* flashing, then total loss of video

When the system loses video, I can still hear the disk
access as it continues its boot, so I believe the MacOS
is running! when I lose video.

I also noticed the video flash when a friend slid the
computer back on the desk (while the hard disk was
running!) a few inches.

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated!
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