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From: tjbowman@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: Re: Alabama v. Miami
Reply-To: tjbowman@emt.b17c.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:55:45 GMT

|> |> >In article <1993Jan5.022847.24704@dbsun.uucp>, harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> |> I think they'll be back, though... maybe even to the 
|> |> Sugar Bowl... to face Florida... no ... I don't see Bama beating them next 
|> |> year...
|> 
	Well, maybe not but Miami didn't think we could beat them either
	did they.  We shall see !!!!  But, that's next year, we still have
	some celebrating to do.
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From: rew@world.std.com (Ryan Waldron)
Subject: 'Bama in 93 (was Re: FSU finally finishes ahead of Miami)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 06:21:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.091114.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> owen@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.133718.13990@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
>> 
>> By the way, is it too early to ask the pollsters to NOT make FSU the
>> preseason #1 next year?  Give that "honor" (read target on chest) to Bama!
>
>Not likely.  Although Bama is pretty well stocked with talent, they lose
>a lot of experience, not to mention heart and soul, to graduation.  Among
>the defenders graduating are Curry, Copeland, and George Teague.  Antonio
>Langham was a junior this year, but he may come out early, too.  Bama's

These are certainly going to be painful losses for the tide.  To lose two
early first-round draft picks from the SAME defensive line - EEK!

>offense, anemic as it was during large portions of the year, loses most of
>their best, too (their two best playes, IMHO, tight end Steve Busky and
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't mean to be unkind to you or Steve, but Busky is probably the worst
tight end to play at Alabama in a decade or more.  'Bama has a very promising
backup to "Hands" Busky, and his loss will hardly even be noticed.

>fullback Martin Houston, not to mention Derrick Lassic and 3 or 4 of the

Now these two will be tough to replace.

>top 6 or 7 in the offensive line rotation).  Of course, if next year's

4 of the 5 starting interior linemen are returning.

>holes and gain experience before they're seriously challenged.  Of course,
>the Birmingham press is already promoting them as the New Dynasty.

Nope, sorry.  The entire Alabama press is promoting them as the return of
the old, Great Dynasty.  :-)

>starting 5-7 seniors on both sides of the ball.  Auburn was starting

6 each way, I believe.  It will definitely be a test of the program as a
whole to see how they capitalize on this year.  Coach Stallings was saying
before this season began that they were about a year away from where he
wanted them to be.  Now, while that probably means that he underestimated
how good this team could be (!), it still speaks well for the future of the
team, or at least we fans like to think that.  :-)

>3 on offense and 2 on defense, so Auburn should be pretty strong next
>year (before the effects of getting our butts whipped in recruiting by

This is what is really scary about the SEC.  There are a ton of young
players starting this year for a lot of teams.  Florida, for instance,
is an incredibly young team overall, and they are going to be a serious
threat to repeat in the championship game.

But, for now, ROLL TIDE!
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	 that never, ever ends.
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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:58:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.192423.18310@infonode.ingr.com> tjbowman@emt.b17c.ingr.com writes:

	First this ...

>|> >	Listen up asshole.  Your canes lost. Can't you get that through
>|> >	your thick head. You lost then and you would lose today and the
>|> >	next and so on.  Next year will be a different team.  THIS YEAR
>|> >	ALABAMA IS THE MNC AND THERE ISN'T ONE DAMN THING YOU OR ALL OF
>|> >	YOUR BLOWHARD FRIENDS CAN DO ABOUT IT. SO, shut the f*ck up and
>|> >	take it like a man and not a mouse.  Like someone else said,
>|> >	'if miami doesn't give us respect, we'll take it from them.'
>|> >	You can dish it out, but you sure can't take it.  We DID take
>|> >	it for a long time. Take your medicine and sit there and love
>|> >	it or I'll send Curry and Copeland over to give it to you 8^)

	Then this ...

>	I was pissed at your attitude.  That's all.  I am not, and never have
>	been afraid of anyone.  I don't hide behind anything.  The flames
>	are fun.  Bama fans are giving a dose of what we have been taking.
>	That's all.  (smileys everywhere !!)

	I don't think that the flames that you directed at me (e.g., 
	"asshole," "thick head," etc.) are fun.  They were simply 
	inappropriate responses to my clearly good-natured jest. 
	So don't claim that you were trying some fun name-calling.
 	(In fact, you will probably have read a few other replies
	to your fun name-calling that weren't too supportive of the
	tone it had.)

>	We will not get into an intelligence battle, besides, I'd win 8) <-
>	notice smiley !!) I was just responding to another asshole with a 
>	big F*cking mouth in terms he would understand. 8) <- smiley

	Is it my imagination, or are these smileys somewhat inadequate for
	the task?  I don't think this paragraph is good-natured, and
	it cetainly isn't funny.  

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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: All Hail The TIDE !!!
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:08:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.195831.19091@infonode.ingr.com> tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com   writes:

>	WRONG.  BAMA DOMINATED FROM KICKOFF TO FINAL GUN !!!! GINO (who)
>	mistakes came from pressure.  Miami (this is important) was 
>	NEVER IN THE GAME. NEVER. PERIOD !!!!!  END OF DISCUSSION.

I disagree.  Until the third interception which was returned for a touchdown,
I didn't doubt that the 'Canes could come back.  Didn't you see Miami's 
come back against Michigan a few years back?  They were down more from what
I recall.

>	wrong again my hurricane friend.  This one will go down in
>	history as the greatest ass-wuppin of all time.

Miami's destruction of Texas in their recent meeting in the Cotton Bowl
was much more of an ass-whipping.  In that game Texas didn't lose the game
with turnovers (as Miami did this year).

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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: FSU and ND next year...
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 05:41:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.040906.5629@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>,
kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) wrote:

[quoting me]
> >Nov 13, in South Bend. That could be a "chilling" experience for 
> >the Noles. Especially the fans... 
> 
> I think this game is gonna be kinda fun to watch. ND will be without its big
> running punch with Mirer and Brooks gone (even worse if Bettis goes) and FSU
> will be without its run stopping maching Marvin Jones. I am loking forward
> to the game.

Bettis is apparently entering the draft as well. What sort of backfield
will the Fighting Frenchmen have? Yer right, this will be an interesting
matchup.

James
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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:44:42 GMT

In article <79258@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:

>in blizzards.  However, to deny that Miami has an enormous
>advantage playing at home and to equate the advantage Miami 
>has at home to Alabama's minor advantage in the Sugar Bowl
>is silly.

Your kidding, right?  There is now denying that the Orange Bowl would
be a "home" game for Miami, but to say that playing in the Sugar Bowl
is only a minor advantage is ridiculous (worse than silly).  It's like
saying the Gator Bowl isn't a "home" advantage for UF.  Hell, even the 
Alabama players said that the Sugar Bowl was a home field advantag ...

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From: tpp@cbnews.cb.att.com (thomas.p.pschar)
Subject: Miami strategy?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:22:14 GMT



Here's the real question.  Why didn't Miami stack about eight guys on the
line of scrimmage every down during the second half?  Or was somebody actually
afraid Alabama might pass?

(By the way, I was rooting against Torretta, since I don't think he in any way
deserved the Heisman.)


Looking forward to Marvin Graves' Heisman year...

Tom Pschar


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From: aissa@batph84.bnr.ca (Al Issa)
Subject: Re: Trying to discredit Alabama
Organization: bnr
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:50:08 GMT

In article <1ialnvINNfrs@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu>, ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
|> I am one of the few who will admit that I was rooting for Miami.  However,
|> along with everyone else, I praise Alabama for being a great team.  The
|> football team earned everyone's respect.  Unfortunately, that respect is
|> decreasing the more I read this newsgoup.
|> -- 
|> Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
|> ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!

I agree.  I also was rooting for the Hurricanes, but Alabama played much better
and without dispute deserves the title.  The Hurricanes still have a strong 
program though.  I believe it's been 8 years in a row now that they have ended up ranked 
in the top 3.

Al Issa. 
BNR Inc, Atlanta GA


BTW, wasn't there an incident a few years back were Alabama fans trashed an 
opposing team Coach's house?  Can any one on the net correct me on this?


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From: drioux@AFIT.AF.MIL
Subject: TENNESSEE ON THE HORIZON
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:23:50 GMT

JUST A SHORT WORD FROM A VOLS FAN IN OHIO, BUT WHILE YOU CANES FANS AND 
TIDE  ROLLERS ARE PROMISING HOW UNGODLY AWESOME YOU'LL BE NEXT YEAR, 
DON'T COUNT OUT HEATH SHULER AND GANG TO ROCK YOUR LITTLE BOAT !	
 
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From: gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley)
Subject: Re: RECRUITING -- Bama
Reply-To: gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:14:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.155807.22136@ccd.harris.com> rcj@controls.ccd.harris.com (Robert C. Jordan) writes:
>
>    Just looking for information on how recruiting is looking this
>    year for the TIDE.
>
The signing date is sometime in Feb so all the commitments thus far
are verbal. Friday morning bama radio promises a more complete
program on recruiting. i will post what i hear. Those in the know say
look for an excellent recruiting year by Gene Stallings.

This morning they were talking about coaching salaries. Stallings
draws a base salary $100,000. After other compensation for media and
product sponsorship the total is near $500,000. I remember a report
when Stallings came to bama that said he came on a "handshake" with
the contract agreed upon and signed later.
They said the top paid SEC coach was Gary DeNiro (sp?) of Vandy at a
cool million.
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From: punjabi@leland.Stanford.EDU (sanjeev punjabi)
Subject: Stanford Recruiting Question .....
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 16:56:22 GMT


I would appreciate receiving information on the recruiting at
Stanford (e.g. oral commitments, etc.) this year.  How is the
rest of the Pac-10 doing in recruiting?
Thanks!
	Sanjeev
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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl comments
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:14:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.014248.23179@bnlux1.bnl.gov>
niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:
> And ABC and Keith Jackson are the biggest biased organization and person
> to boot.  ...
> I'd hate to have them broadcast my son's Little League baseball games;
> they'd probably put down 10-16 year old kids also.

I wonder if you have the names confused.  During the Sugar Bowl, it was
Bob Griese (sp?) who made most of the negative comments.  He frequently
used phrases such as "poorly thrown pass" or "poorly executed play" when
describing Barker's performance.  His analysis was correct, but I would
not want to be Barker's parents or grandparents back home watching the
game when he said that.  Jackson seems to be a more sensitive to the
fact that the players are still young, and have some proud parents and
grandparents watching. 

Jackson is more at home covering SEC games, and we are more than happy
to have him.  If the rest of the country doesn't appreciate his style,
then we'll be happy to take Jackson and give you Mushbrain.

> Go Big Red of the North!

Proceed, Enormous Crimson of the South!  :-) :-)

How about that for a new Bama slogan?

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From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: getting a perspective
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:51:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


 >[bragging about miami's greatness deleted]
 >100 years of football doesn't mean
 >diddly if you've only been a fan for the past ten or so. 
 >
 >tech@osceola.cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)

by the same logic, tony, 10 years of football don't matter much either.
this year's batch of hurricanes turned out to be pretty mediocre.

ok
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From: tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:10:02 GMT
Organization: Racal-Milgo, Sunrise, Florida

mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>
>Gene is welcome to say what he likes, but Alabama gets a huge advantage
>by playing the SEC championship at home.  And he is certainly not
>being a statistician by denying it, because any statistician worth
>his salt can see that there is a big advantage to playing at home.
>However, those who have studied the effects of the home field advantage
>consider it a function of (1) turf, (2) time, and (3) temperature.
>Teams tend to play worse on non-home turf, outside their home time
>zone, and in temperatures to which they are not accustomed.  The 
>crowd factor is nearly negligible.  
>
>So there was a minor advantage for 'Bama, since they are used to
>playing on turf and the 'Canes were one hour off by time zone.
>Then again the temperature inside the Superdome was closer to 
>Miami-type temperatures.
>

Well, when a team depends on calling audibles at the line and the crowd
takes that away, I wouldn't call those effects negligible.  But, if
next time Miami plays in the Orange Bowl, if they move the game to 9:00,
and put artificial turf in, Miami loses their home field advantage?
I think not.  Why?  Because there will still be playing in front of 
65K Miami fans.

I don't think that the temperature in the dome could have had any effect
in the game.  I've never heard a team have problems because of that
76 degree temperature.  

>Where you get a huge homefield advantage is in a situation like
>the Big 8 champ playing in the Orange Bowl - 2 time zones away,
>many degrees warmer than they are used to, and on natural grass
>instead of turf, or similarly for the Big Ten champ playing in
>the Rose Bowl.

I don't think the timezone difference makes any difference in bowl games
when the teams arrive a week early.  Also, Colorado is the only Big 8 
team two timezones away from Miami.  All others are CST.  And last year
Orange Bowl was under a steady drizzle with temperature in the low 60's.
If anything, the weather favored Nebraska last year, not Miami.

>
>}Bama had the 12Th man advantage. That was a home game for the SEC.  
>}That was SEC territory. 
>
>So that's why Miami is afraid to play there?

The point is not that Miami is afraid.  It is that the SEC has the home
field advantage when they play in the Sugar Bowl because of the crowd 
just like Miami has it when they play in the Orange Bowl Classic.

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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Question
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:52:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.152627.14308@b30.ingr.com> tad@tad.b30.ingr.com writes:
> ... bama fans won't say much before the game but if they win, LOOK OUT!
> They'll come out of the woodwork and, before you know it you'll be knee
> deep in roll tiders.  After the boasting heard from the Miami faithful
> before the Sugar Bowl I knew if bama won it would be especially tough
> for the orange and green.

We (Bama) like to be sure we can walk the walk before we talk the talk.
We don't go writin' checks we can't cash.  Seems rational to me.  Now
if you do things the Miami way, i.e. talk the talk before you fail to
walk the walk, then a heapin' helpin' of barbequed crow and sugar-CANE
stew are bound to follow.

Now on the subject of crow, we've already established that white sauce
is best.  However, I'm wonderin' if hickory or mesquite cooks it best.
Oh well, don't matter no how since we don't cook much crow at Bama. :-)
We're already up to our ears in eagle and gator meat.  If you do find
out, kindly forward the information to Miami.

As usual, insert as necessary:  :-) :-) :-)

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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Marvin Jones to NFL
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1993Jan6.040421.5481@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
	<BILLMS.93Jan11144121@gip.eecs.umich.edu>
	<1993Jan12.160209.121312@ua1ix.ua.edu>
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:59:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.160209.121312@ua1ix.ua.edu> rsumner@ho09.eng.ua.edu (Richard J. Sumner) writes:

   In article <BILLMS.93Jan11144121@gip.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
   >
   >   What number one ranking? 'Bama will be number one next year.
   >

Now Richard, I never said that.  Gotta watch the editing...

   >Thats twice you've said that, so I guess your not joking.  I thought the
   >strength of Bama was all going to the pros, i.e. Teague, Curry, & Copeland.
   >Who is left?
   >
   That is a big loss, but NEVER count out Bama's D.  Ever.


So what you mean is your a fan, and you think they are great even when there
doesn't appear to be evidence to the contrary.  Or is there some great
players still there to support such hope?  If you've got 10 shirts, surely
you can help me out with the names of some of the players staying around,
right?

Bill

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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:19:07 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez) wrote:
}
}A lot is said about Miami's home field advantage when they play in the
}Orange Bowl, but no one seems to care that the SEC enjoys the same
}advantage when they play in the Sugar.  

No one seems to care because it's not true.  It would only be the
same advantage if Alabama played the Sugar Bowl in Bryant-Denny
Stadium or Legion Field in Birmingham.  And plenty of people 
certainly do care that Alabama gets to play the SEC championship
in their home stadium.  Alabama has played in the Superdome about
as often in the last ten years as Miami has (3 times apiece, I think.)

The crowd is only one part of the home field advantage, and Alabama
certainly enjoyed a less partisan crowd in the Sugar Bowl than 
Miami gets in the Orange Bowl.

}                                        At least Miami doesn't play in
}the Orange every year.

What??!?!?  Miami plays 6 or 7 games in the Orange Bowl every year.

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