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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 16:38:00 EST
From:         LANE@NORTHEASTERN.EDU
Subject:      Lane on Lane
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Lane on Lane

A colleague has called to my attention an exchange on the net
concerning a quote about deaf marriages on page 359 of When the
Mind Hears. First, the facts: Pat Johanson is right in saying
that Dudley George's remarks at the 1893 World Congress of the
Deaf are being quoted and then paraphrased here. It never oc-
curred to me that my readers, after slogging through 358 pages
advocating deaf empowerment, would think I, a hearing person, had
strong opinions on how deaf people should marry. I don't. Many
responsible authors, deaf and hearing, have stated that deaf
people generally take a deaf spouse. I have no census data on
this but it doesn't surprise me. That there are numerous and
valid exceptions doesn't surprise me either.

What does surprise me, but shouldn't, is that my own views could
be so badly misconstrued after all I have said and published.
Yes, hearing professional people are often insufferably pater-
nalistic toward deaf people and disparage deaf people, language,
culture, and marriage. I don't. And it hurts to be tarred with
the same brush as these other goons. Ironically, I predict this
will happen in my book on hearing/deaf relations that Knopf will
bring out in two weeks or so: "The Mask of Benevolence: Disabling
the Deaf Community." I argue there that there may be willing and
unwilling paternalists, but all hearing professional people are
caught in the structural relation of oppressor to oppressed; it
started before we were born and will probably outlive us. Never-
theless, deaf people may find some hearing allies valuable and
agreeable, so it's worth distinguishing among them. And if I have
ever said or done something that seems to bespeak the view,
attributed to me by one network user, that deaf people are "cute
dumb animals," I'd like it called to my attention.



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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:52:44 EST
From:         christine romano <CROMANO@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: seeing your own messages
              10 Apr 1992 17:18:00 -0700 from <CAREY_B@CUBLDR.CO LORADO.EDU>

Thanks to all the people who responded to my request about seeing my own
messages.  It turned out that the command that I was looking for was
"repro".  Thanks,
Christine Romano
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:30:00 CDT
From:         CONLEY%MSUVX2@MEMSTVX1.BITNET
Subject:      HOT Tempered!!!

Greetings all, and HAVE A  @#$&@*  @%$^&  NICE DAY!

   WOW, tempers are sure hot lately on DEAF-L!  Something "in the water?",
or maybe just "Spring fever?", or, better yet, "Someone take your temperature
with an ANAL thermometer?!!!".  OUCH!  :-|=|

   Sorry, gang. I just felt the need to BITCH a little!  (Although, I really
don't know why).



                                        Feeling better now,
                                        Have a good one,
                                        Steven Conlee
                                        CONLEY@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:12:00 EDT
From:         ALAMA10@HUMAIN.BITNET
Subject: Re: intro

"David J. Krueger" <djk59109@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU>:
     Let me tell you something... I DO *KNOW* that I'm the only Deaf
     person on campus, and you are thinking, "How?"  Here's the
     answer: I am a client of the Rehab Services and I know the
     supervisor of rehab *VERY* well and I asked them, who uses
     interpreters (that is one thing to make a distinction between
     Deaf and ORAL people) and as of this semester, I *AM* the only
     person (of students) to use interpreters!!!!!

Okay, David, you're the only sign-language deaf, or Deaf, student on
your campus. Lew's point was that that might not make you the only
*deaf* student on your campus. Indeed, there might well be one or two
or even twenty or thirty other deaf students, none of whom use sign
language or have ever asked Rehab Services for interpreters.

A few years ago I taught at Rutgers University, New Jersey's main
state university and about the same size as the University of Illinois.
An administrator there told me that there were about 25 deaf students
that he knew of and possibly others that he didn't know of. None of
them used interpreters -- no such services were offered, or had ever
been requested, at that time. While some of these "deaf" students
might have been only "hard of hearing", several that I met were
unquestionably deaf -- people with severe-profound hearing losses who
depended on speechreading skills to communicate.

There was even another math professor then who was...well, people
called us both deaf, "but Gary's not as deaf as David, we only have
to repeat things to him .865 times as often as we do to David."
Maybe he was just a better lipreader than me.

--David James
ALAMA10@HUMAIN.BITNET
DMJAMES@GALLUA.BITNET
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:12:37 CST
From:         Roy Miller <GE0013@SIUCVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Bitnet Fileservers on Deafness

A week or so ago, Irene Scott asked if there were any Bitnet or Internet
file servers devoted to deafness materials.  As of this moment, I know
of none.  However, I thought I would use this opportunity to mention
something by way of future plans for DEAF-L.

The decision was made some time ago not to log the daily exchanges that
occur on DEAF-L.  But starting in the fall, I will be recruiting DEAF-L
participants to develop a series of informational items to be kept
on the DEAF-L archives and retrievable by anyone.  More about those
plans toward the end of the summer.

-- Roy Miller   (ge0013@siucvmb.siu.edu   or   ge0013@siucvmb)
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:42:21 -0500
From:         "David J. Krueger" <djk59109@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Signature

Tony,

It was me... thanks! ;)


			David (djk59109@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:00:28 EST
From:         Stacey Nunes <KNU7@MARISTB.BITNET>
Subject:      "Have a nice day!"

> Thebest repsonse (from a cynic's point of view) that I've ever encountered
> to "Have a nice day!":
>
>
>
> "Thanks, but I have other plans."
>
>
>
> Keith
> (cwatt@nasamail.nasa.gov)
Hey I really like this!!!

    While I'm writing here....I wonder if anyone can possibly help
me out.  I'm doing a paper on the use of computers in the hearing
impaired community.  If anyone can refer me to some literature it would
be greatly appreciated!!

Thanks :)
Stacey Nunes
(KNU7@MARISTB.BITNET)
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From: rlboyd@galluj
Subject: Re:      One more opinion...
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:37:03 GMT

In article <37B0937C8000669C@ITHACAOA.BITNET>,         "Irene Scott, User Support Specialist" <ISCOTT@ITHACAOA.BITNET> writes:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I'm hearing impaired and due to an inherited condition have a
> number of hearing impaired (cousins) and Deaf (sister, brother,
> and others)relatives as well as hearing relatives in my family.
> So I am in the thick of all three cultures.  I've been reading
> with interest the exchanges in the last few days!

Irene,  What is your definition for "hearing impaired"?  Are you
trying to say that you are hard of hearing person?  Deaf can be
also called hearing impaired.  

> I say I'm exposed to "three" cultures because certainly hearing
> folks have their own ways but also is there a cultural difference 
> between the hearing impaired and Deaf folks.

Three cultures???  I know Deaf and hearing people do have their
own cultures since they each have their own languages, ASL and
English, respectively.  What is the hearing impaired people's
culture?  It is new to me.  It is my understanding that the 
culture exists only when it has its own language.  

> who don't hear the language will write differently than folks
> who do hear the language at least to some degree.  

> Since using ASL it seems that she writes as though she is signing
> and using ways to convey the feelings that would otherwise be
> conveyed  by her expressions or the sign itself.
> Irene Scott
> ISCOTT@OTHACAOA

The writing skills have nothing to do with a person's hearing
level.  It is how they are taught.  There are Deaf people who
write better than hearing people.  It depends on their educational
background and their communication with the families or friends.


Reggie Boyd,  Gallaudet University  
(Deny a Deaf person to sign is like cutting off bird's wings)

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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:48:40 -0500
From:         "David J. Krueger" <djk59109@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: INTRO

StarGazer,

First, your name... We, the current subscribers to Deaf-L, don't use
pseudonyms.  We put our real names at the end of our post (I'm not ragging
on you, just something to be more friendly...).  Second, why are you
afraid of going deaf again?? I was born hearing but lost my hearing at an
age of one and I have a hearing brother and a deaf brother so, I had the
opportunity (by the way, my folks are hearing, but that's not the point
here) to view what would be hearing "lifestyle" and deaf "lifestyle"...
eventhough I am exposed to both, not all of one or the other, I do strongly
feel happy that I am Deaf (and proud of it, too).  The reason I said this
is because I enjoy being different.  I am a student at U of Illinois at
Urbana-Champaign, and as of this semester, I am the only Deaf person of
a student body of 35,000 or so people.  I get noticed and the main reason
is because of my deafness.  The thing that I enjoy so much is to SHOW that
a Deaf person is NOT stupid and CAN be as successful or more successful
than a hearing person.  I accomplished so many things on this campus that
I would never have if I went to Gallaudet or NTID (National Technology
Institute for the Deaf, located on the RIT campus in Rochester, NY) that
boosted Deaf awareness on the campus with administrators, professors, TAs,
and mainly, students.  Basically, Don't be afraid of being deaf, be proud
because your accomplishments would stand out and you would make the image
of a deaf person look much better in a hearing world!!!  Any comments,
questions, or statements are welcomed!!!

				Have a nice day!!!  ;)

				David (djk59109@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:06:00 EDT
From:         "Irene Scott, User Support Specialist" <ISCOTT@ITHACAOA.BITNET>
Subject:      Seeing your own messages

As a list member, you DO get a copy of the message when it is mailed out.
If you are in a hurry, your local software can probably be set up to
send you a carbon copy; i.e., VMS's mail utility can be set up this way.
Check with your local support personnel.
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From: rggentry@galluj
Subject: Re: veracity and satire
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:06:18 GMT

In article <DEAF-L%92041707005469@SIUCVMB.BITNET>,         Lew Golan <LEW@TAUNIVM.BITNET> writes:
>      When my mother was pregnant with me, she started getting labor pains
> during a typical Chicago blizzard. My father drove her to the hospital as
> carefully as possible -- but, unfortunately, the car skidded at an
> intersection and knocked down a post. A traffic sign flew off the post and
> smashed into the windshield, where it miraculously hung suspended a few
> inches from my mother.
>      The shock of the close call intensified my mother's labor, and my
> father had to deliver me right there on the front seat of the car.
>      When I was a teenager, I spent my summers playing 16-inch softball and
> bridge at what was officially named the 55th Street Promontory. It was a
> man-made park that stuck out into Lake Michigan like a finger -- so
> everybody called it, quite logically, the Point.
>      One day, four of us were sitting on the grass playing bridge when the
> dummy admitted he went to a fortune teller once in a while. I told him that
> stuff was baloney, but the idea struck my partner as fun. "Hey," she said,
> "let's all go see that fortune teller. We can find out what we'll be when
> we grow up."
>      Reluctantly, I went along with them to a small storefront on 47th
> Street. The fortune teller was a wizened old Chinese woman who spoke fluent
> Yiddish.
>      The guy jerked his thumb toward us and said "These are my friends from
> the Point." The old woman looked us over, then asked me to sit down.
>      She took my palm and asked, "What sign were you born under?"
>      "A stop sign," I said.
>      She nodded her head sagely and stroked the whiskers on her chin.
>      "I see your future very clearly, young man. You are going to be the
> point man in the stop sign movement."
> 
>      If this tale rings a Bell, that's because it's written with the same
> scholarly dedication to the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
> truth as Harlan Lane's _When the Mind Hears_.
> 
> Lew Golan, Tel-Aviv University <lew@vm.tau.ac.il>

>>Lew, I don't agree with you about Lane's book. But you already know that.

But your story does demonstrate an acid wit. Lew, I'm *honestly serious*--you
write well. Your story got under my skin at first but after I thought about it
I decided that the clever manipulation of the "ethos" component was just a way
to make a point--something which you can do very well. 

So here's hoping you continue to enrich the annals of satire. You got it better
this time--you made me mad, but you make me laugh, too. 

Saves wear and tear on the "Letters to the Editor" column. :)

Randy Gentry rggentry@galluj "Anything that can be done, can be done
backwards."
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:46:41 CDT
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From:         ANTHONY GIEGLER <GIEGLER@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      re:hot tempered

WOW!... It seems that I started a BIG fight.
with my I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE SA HAVE A NICE DAY!!
Sorry.

Even though is seems lots of people needed to release
stress.

<GIEGLER@USMCP6.BITNET>           StarGazer
agiegler@seabass.st.usm.edu        puppycat
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 11:05:12 -0500
From:         "David J. Krueger" <djk59109@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Have as nice a day as you wish to have...<grin>

Keith,

I wasn't sure if you were serious or not... but joke understood and
*laughing* appreciated!!!

				Have a good day... ;r)

				David (djk59109@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:26:24 -0500
From:         "David J. Krueger" <djk59109@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: "Have a nice day!"

Keith,

Are you seriously telling me that you would rather hear, "*&#$ you and hope
you die!!!" than "Have a nice day"??? Also, I was trying to be... what
shall I say... "courteous and respectful" to the other Deaf-L subscribers.
Is it an unwritten rule that I have to be cruel and a mean *&% to them,
when I REALLY want to get on their good side and debate valid points of
various things (granted, opinions may differ at this point).  I'm not
trying to rag on you, just trying to clarify the reason why I say, "Have
a nice day..."  :)

				Hyaavdeeacni (try to figure this one out!)
				Can't stop seeing the good things... ;D

				David (djk59109@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:57:29 -0500
From:         "David J. Krueger" <djk59109@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Wardenburg's Syndrome/Sigs/Civility

Tim Johnson <TIM+_JOHNSON%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM> writes:

> Y'all have a good weekend...

I say... "Ditto..."  ;^)


				David (djk59109@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:52:58 -0400
From:         "Esther A. Paris" <esther@RAYSSD.SSD.RAY.COM>
Subject:      Please send info re devices to ease/prevent wrist RSI

Subject: Please help me find something to help my injured wrists heal!
Summary: Looking for solutions for wrist RSI -- please email answers directly
         (not to the mailing list!)
From:    Esther Paris, Raytheon Equipment Division, Marlborough, MA
         esther@mar.ed.ray.com     or    esther@rayssd.ssd.ray.com

Hello Everyone!

I never thought I'd be asking this, but I need you to tell me about any
and all alternative input devices for various computers. Since I am
cross posting this to multiple groups, please E-mail me your replies,
and I will condense, summarize and post to the same groups. My E-mail
address is: esther@mar.ed.ray.com or esther@rayssd.ssd.ray.com.

I need product names, vendor names and addresses, and preferably vendor
contact names and phone numbers. I'm looking for anything to reduce
actual typing required for input into the computer or devices that will
reduce wrist injury from typing.

I have heard about hinged keyboards to reduce stress to injured wrists,
but don't know where to find them. I have read about the Data Glove
from Industrial Innovations (Scottsdale, AZ), which allows hands to be
separated by body width while typing, but after talking to the vendor I
found out they can't help me right now... is there a vendor with a
product like this elsewhere, available NOW???  If so, then I don't know
where to find these either. I have also heard of the CAD-CAM VoicePacks
(to input CAD-CAM commands by voice) from Voice Dynamics Corporation,
but I don't know how to contact them to test their device or whether
they have a device to interface with any technical publications
packages.

I have severe tendonitis in both wrists, and need to find a solution.
At the present time, my hands have become so bad that I'm forbidden to
type (I dicated this to my officemate and he typed!) and both hands are
in solid braces so I can't move them.  I use Sun workstations and
HP-Apollo workstations and plain old VT-220 style terminals. My
specialty is electronic publishing.  I have already tried a trackball
to replace my mouse and found that VERY helpful.

I have been given a mandate to try anything and everything that might
help so that I won't become permanently disabled by this injury.
AnythingI can do to help my hands heal and prevent the problem from
getting worse is something I MUST try!  My problem has been chronic for
a year and acute more times than I can count.  So far they haven't
really gotten better.

Any help that you can give me along these lines is sincerely
appreciated, and I thank you in advance for your help.  Please email me
any and all information you might have that could help!  I will gladly
repost it! (Thanks! Thanks! Thanks! Thanks!)*250,000 [a million times
Thanks!]
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:36:40 CDT
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From:         Kimberly Laird <U30993@UICVM.UIC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: percentage of deaf at university

My graduate education was at the University of Michigan,
that's where the Rehab Services said they couldn't help
much.  They had the do-it-yourself note taking approach.
And yep, they weren't that helpful.  Of course, that was
approximately four/five years ago- and I think things
may have changed alot since then, which is why I mentioned
ADA.

Please don't blame poor old UIC <Univ. of Illinois-Chicago>
I work there and they pay my salary....  at least so far. :>
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:54:45 IST
From:         Lew Golan <LEW@TAUNIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      veracity

     When my mother was pregnant with me, she started getting labor pains
during a typical Chicago blizzard. My father drove her to the hospital as
carefully as possible -- but, unfortunately, the car skidded at an
intersection and knocked down a post. A traffic sign flew off the post and
smashed into the windshield, where it miraculously hung suspended a few
inches from my mother.
     The shock of the close call intensified my mother's labor, and my
father had to deliver me right there on the front seat of the car.
     When I was a teenager, I spent my summers playing 16-inch softball and
bridge at what was officially named the 55th Street Promontory. It was a
man-made park that stuck out into Lake Michigan like a finger -- so
everybody called it, quite logically, the Point.
     One day, four of us were sitting on the grass playing bridge when the
dummy admitted he went to a fortune teller once in a while. I told him that
stuff was baloney, but the idea struck my partner as fun. "Hey," she said,
"let's all go see that fortune teller. We can find out what we'll be when
we grow up."
     Reluctantly, I went along with them to a small storefront on 47th
Street. The fortune teller was a wizened old Chinese woman who spoke fluent
Yiddish.
     The guy jerked his thumb toward us and said "These are my friends from
the Point." The old woman looked us over, then asked me to sit down.
     She took my palm and asked, "What sign were you born under?"
     "A stop sign," I said.
     She nodded her head sagely and stroked the whiskers on her chin.
     "I see your future very clearly, young man. You are going to be the
point man in the stop sign movement."

     If this tale rings a Bell, that's because it's written with the same
scholarly dedication to the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
truth as Harlan Lane's _When the Mind Hears_.

Lew Golan, Tel-Aviv University <lew@vm.tau.ac.il>
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:12:51 -0400
From:         "When cows laugh really hard,
              does milk come out their nose?" <91babik@GW.WMICH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: INTRO

David!

It was funny to hear you say taht you are the only deaf student at your
university!  When Roy was here in Kalamazoo he asked me how many deaf
students were here (at Western Michigan University) and I told him that I
was pretty sure that I was the only one!  He seemed doubtful until I told
him that everytime Handicapped Student Services gets a call from someone
(usually Speech Pathology majors) who want to talk to a "real live deaf
person," they give them my number!

Lisamarie

_______________________________________________________________________________
If you get the impression I'm not qualified to speak for this University, it's
         because I ain't, I can't, I don't, I won't, and I don'wanna.
________Lisamarie "Rifa the Insane" Babik_________91babik@gw.wmich.edu_________
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:45:23 CDT
From:         BARRY BERGEN <BERGEN@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      How do I subscribe?

Hello.  I just discovered Bitnet, among other things, and would like to
find out what is invovled in subscribing to Deaf-L.  I am hearing, but am
about to go to Gallaudet U. to teach history.  So I am very interested in
the ideas and opinions being expressed in/on Deaf-L.

Is this the right way to go about this?  And, of course, my e-mail address
will change when I move to Washington.

Look forward to a reply,

Barry Bergen
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