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From: BRYAN@wvnvm.wvnet.edu (Jerry Bryan)
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Subject: Re: (no subject given)
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:02:24 GMT

In article <IBM-HESC%92111007375701@PSUORVM.CC.PDX.EDU>, Fred Dwyer
<FDDWYER@RHQVM21.VNET.IBM.COM> says:
                                                     We believe that
>if anything, HESC pricing needs more granularity, not less.

Hmm.  This can quickly become a religious issue, and I can easily
argue either side of the question.  This is not necessarily my
installation's position, not even my own, but let me play devil's
advocate just for a moment.

It seems to me that the HESC is getting far away from its original
"look and feel", and is becoming simply a large educational discount.
In its original incarnation, the HESC served (at least) two purposes:
1) for software an installation would have run anyway, it made the
software less expensive, and 2) it allowed an installation to run
software it would not otherwise have run.  In either case, the
advantages to the installation were more and better software at less
cost, and for IBM more use of IBM hardware and software, with
attendant current revenue (but see below) and potential
future revenue due to faculty and students trained on IBM hardware
and software.

Regrettably, IBM views the HESC as a net loss with respect to current
revenue.  This point of view totally ignores my item #2 above, and
ignores the hardware revenue associated with both my item #1 and item #2
above.  I believe that IBM should evaluate the HESC in terms of future
revenue, and also in terms of current revenue, where the absence of the
HESC would result in loss of current hardware revenue and loss of
HESC software revenue for software that otherwise would not be run at
all.

As I understand it, IBM product managers assume (quite incorrectly
in my opinion) that without the HESC, they would get all the revenue
for all the HESC products.  My opinion is that without the HESC, virtually
no installation would run what you might call "marginal products"
(my item #2), and that virtually every installation would be involved
in even more consideration of downsizing than they are already doing,
and would be getting rid of software even in my category #1.

What all of this has to do with granularity is that the courser the
granularity, the less association there is between the cost to the
installation for the HESC and the amount of software which is run.
With such cost insensitivity, there is more incentive for installations
to run IBM software and hardware, and less incentive to downsize to
(possibly) non-IBM hardware and software.  The customers get more
software for less money, and IBM has more customers and more revenue.
This is a win-win situation if ever I saw one.  Therefore, I argue
(for today, at least) to return the HESC to its roots, and to provide
courser granularity, not finer.
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:38:36 -0800
From:         acc00rrb@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Subject:      Re: (no subject given)

I agree completely with Jerry Bryan's analysis and conclusions. IBM needs
to view HESC as part of its *long-term* partnership with educational
institutions (even if that means direct subsidies for 'Product Groups' in
the new, entrepreneurial IBM!) rather than just a different way to market
its software.
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>What all of this has to do with granularity is that the courser the
>granularity, the less association there is between the cost to the
>installation for the HESC and the amount of software which is run.
>With such cost insensitivity, there is more incentive for installations
>to run IBM software and hardware, and less incentive to downsize to
>(possibly) non-IBM hardware and software.  The customers get more
>software for less money, and IBM has more customers and more revenue.
>This is a win-win situation if ever I saw one.  Therefore, I argue
>(for today, at least) to return the HESC to its roots, and to provide
>courser granularity, not finer.
Bob Blackmun
Director of Computing Services
UNC Charlotte
Charlotte NC 28223
(704) 547-2283 / fax 547-3134
Internet: ACC00RRB@unccvm.uncc.edu
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:03:12 CST
From:         "William C Spears, Jr" <CAWCS@LATECH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: (no subject given)
              10 Nov 1992 23:02:24 EST from <BRYAN@WVNVM.WVNET.E DU>

In response to Jerry Bryan's comments / HESC / granularity --- it seems
that IBM may be moving in the direction that we thought would happen in
the beginning, that is get us use to using the additional software and
then simply "pull the plug" although the warning was up front as defined
by the original rules when joing HESC!!
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:34:51 EST
From:         Fred Dwyer <FDDWYER@RHQVM21.VNET.IBM.COM>
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>From:         "Richard French Jr." <GT0287%SPRINGB.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU>

>I'm sorry Fred, I forgot to mention that I wanted it moved to I-A2, where
>PROFS is currently. When we were forced to OV/VM, because of losing future
>support for PROFS, we incurred a new cost by going to OV/VM.
            -------------------------------------------
We do not anticipate moving OV/VM to I-A2 because it would drive up the
price of I-A2.  As currently structured, numbers of I-A2 subscribers have
elected not to use OV/VM, and therefore do not pay for it.  If we added
OV/VM to I-A2, every I-A2 subscriber would pay a portion of the
substantial OV/VM fee whether they used it or not.  We believe that
if anything, HESC pricing needs more granularity, not less.
                                  Fred Dwyer
                                  IBM ACIS

 =========================================================================
>From:         "(Tom Merrick)" <merrick@CADCAM.ENG.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
>Subject:      Annual Charges for CATIA
>
>In the 10/20 announcement letter 292-595, IBM states that from this
>point forwards that there will be no annual media charges for CATIA
>other than for the base product.  I take it that this also applies
>toward the HESC and all we have to do is to order the other parts
>to get the manuals.  Do we still have to pay the initial base fee for
>each of the other products?
              --------------------------------------------
Separate media charges for these products work the same in HESC as they
do under our unmodified ICA (IBM Customer Agreement).  The annual fee
continues to apply to CATIA Base (5621-101) and CATIA Drafting Package
(5612-125).  For the CATIA products the only media charges are the
annual fees.  The annual fees are billed at initial order and annually
thereafter.  Therefore, if the annual fee is eliminated, there is no
residual "initial base fee."
                                        Fred Dwyer
                                        IBM ACIS
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:48:35 EST
From:         Richard W Wiggins <RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: (no subject given)
              10 Nov 1992 23:02:24 EST from <BRYAN@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU>

>>     We believe that if anything, HESC pricing needs more granularity,
>>not less.
>
>Hmm. This can quickly become a religious issue, and I can easily argue
>either side of the question.....
>
>In its original incarnation, the HESC served (at least) two purposes:
>1) for software an installation would have run anyway, it made the
>software less expensive, and 2) it allowed an installation to run
>software it would not otherwise have run. In either case, the
>advantages to the installation were more and better software at less
>cost, and for IBM more use of IBM hardware and software, with attendant
>current revenue (but see below) and potential future revenue due to
>faculty and students trained on IBM hardware and software.

But this definitely cuts both ways. The number of HESC groups has grown
significantly since we signed up, and the (relatively small) set of
products we want has been neatly spread out among a number of HESC
groups. And the prices for those groups have increased substantially in
a few short years.

Consequently, for those HESC groups that we make little use of, there's
always pressure to get out -- even if one product is quite useful to us.
And there's similar pressure not to acquire anything else from that
group, 'cause we might save $12K a year if we just weaned ourself off
that one thing we now use.

So, yes, it'd be nice if HESC were one big grab bag with one low price.
This would serve the goal you summarize -- to get sites to acquire those
"marginal" products. But there's no evidence that IBM will abandon the
"revenue foregone" model of pricing HESC products, and the current setup
may encourage sites to bag HESC and big iron altogether rather than
license the custom grab bag they need.

/Rich Wiggins, Computer Lab, Michigan State U
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:54:09 MST
From:         con_jdc@LEWIS.UMT.EDU
Subject:      RE: new pc virus?
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>It seems like a new virus called Joshi has surfaced. Apparently, it affects
>the hard disk and prevents it from booting up. Has anyone else run into this
>and what cures/defense are effective? It appears to be abale to evade VSHIELD
>and to be resistant to CLEAN.

	Joshi is by no means new, except maybe to your site.  It infects the
boot sector of floppy disks/hard disks.  It is quite similar to Stoned, except
that it attempts to hide itself from anti-virus programs and disk editors.  On
January 5th of any year, it pops up with the message "type Happy Birthday
Joshi".  Failure to type "Happy Birthday Joshi" will cause the machine to hang.
It is not deliberately destructive.  To eradicate the virus (and any virus
for that matter), boot the infected machine from a CLEAN system diskette
and run a relatively recent anti-virus program.  The latest versions of
F-PROT (2.06) or SCAN/CLEAN (v97) will be able to detect/remove Joshi.
In fact, any AV program produced in 1991-1992 should be able to remove it.


				John-David Childs
				Consultant, University of Montana CIS
				con_jdc@lewis.umt.edu
>ps.
>which idiot is responsible for this?
	Ok.  I admit it!
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:25:15 CST
From:         Robin Mayne <CC061CC@TCUAMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Stat/DB support in academic computer centers?

     I am interested in how academic computer centers provide
statistical and database support.  I'm looking for a brief description,
including the size of your university and the size of your computing
center and the number of user service staff, both full-time and any
part-time and/or student consultants, and the computer platform and
statistical and database software you support, how many statistical/db
support folks there are, how the fit into the rest of the center, etc.
I have provided a example of what I'm looking for by describing our
center and stat/db support.
RE: Statistical and Database Support
Size: 6800 students, 32 member staff, 9 User Services Staff members
      with 3 20-hr-a-week graduate assistants
Support: SAS, SPSSX, BMDP, MINITAB, IMSL, LISREL, LINDO
         very little on the DB front except Paradox, FileMaker Pro

There is one consultant that deals with statistical packages (that is,
the running of them).  He does not attempt to do statistical consulting
as in which procedure to apply.  That is left up to the individual
faculty members.  In addition, this person supports communications
(Kermit, etc.), some general DOS situations and a number of mainframe
systems (VM/CMS, MUSIC and some VMS).  We are pretty thinly stretched
in this area.

FYI, the other U.S. staff members do the following:

   1   Manager (how useful are they?)
   1   HELP Desk Attendant
   2   DOS network maintenance and support (quasi-systems level)
   1   General DOS support
   1.5 MAC network maintenance and support
    .5 General Mac Support
    .5 MUSIC Mainframe support
    .5 Scanning and Source Library Maintenance

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From: SBARNETT@TATTOO.CS.WIDENER.EDU
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Is anyone out there using VMS Mail?  If so, how do you attach a file or files
to a letter that you are writing?  Thanks.

					Scott Barnett
					Computer Lab Manager
					Widener University
					pysrbarnett@cyber.widener.edu
From: JAMES@UCRAC1.UCR.EDU
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Date: 10 Nov 92 18:13:43 GMT
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Thanks for the info on Joshi. I think we have it contained now. The task that
remains is one of educating our users.
james ssemakula
u.c. riverside
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:54:29 -0500
From:         "Bob Martin --> Acsmartin@eku.bitnet" <ACSMARTIN@EKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: new pc virus?

>It seems like a new virus called Joshi has surfaced. Apparently, it affects
>the hard disk and prevents it from booting up. Has anyone else run into this
>and what cures/defense are effective? It appears to be abale to evade VSHIELD
>and to be resistant to CLEAN.
>
>james ssemakula
>u.c. riverside.

It has been around for quite a long time and activates on Jan 5th -- by
saying 'happy birthday Joshi!!'. I'd recommend updating your anti-virus
software.... the current versions of scan & clean are 97 -- you may also
want to consider F-PROT 2.05, since it is FREE for home use.

-Bob Martin -- acsmartin@eku.bitnet
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From:         JAMES@UCRAC1.UCR.EDU
Subject:      RE: new pc virus?
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Thanx for the info. Joshi is a new nuisance here. It seems to travel on
 networkstoo.
james ssemakula
u.c. riverside.
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From:         "(Philip M. Howard)" <PHoward@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA>
Subject:      Re: VMS Mail
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>Is anyone out there using VMS Mail?  If so, how do you attach a file or files
>to a letter that you are writing?  Thanks.
>
>                                       Scott Barnett
>                                       Computer Lab Manager
>                                       Widener University
>                                       pysrbarnett@cyber.widener.edu

[You don't say what kind of files or where they reside (VAX or other
platform)]

Sorry, VAXmail is a dinosaur... you must create a uuencoded file and
manually edit into your message. The recipient must then uudecode it. If
you can't do that then you must convert your document (if, indeed, it *is*
a document) to plain ASCII (also known as a text file).

If, however, both of you are on VMS systems and *if* you both have JNET
software, then just SEND/FILE/VMS <filename> <username@BitnetSite> from one
site to the other. That works with any VAX/VMS file.

Hope that helps,
Philip

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From:         Steve Cavrak <SJC@UVMVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: new pc virus?
              10 Nov 1992 10:13:43 -0800 from <JAMES@UCRAC1.UCR.EDU>

On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:13:43 -0800 <JAMES@UCRAC1.UCR.EDU> said:
>Thanks for the info on Joshi. I think we have it contained now. The task that
>remains is one of educating our users.

plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
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From:         JAMES@UCRAC1.UCR.EDU
Subject:      new pc virus?
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It seems like a new virus called Joshi has surfaced. Apparently, it affects
the hard disk and prevents it from booting up. Has anyone else run into this
and what cures/defense are effective? It appears to be abale to evade VSHIELD
and to be resistant to CLEAN.

james ssemakula
u.c. riverside.

ps.
which idiot is responsible for this?
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> It seems like a new virus called Joshi has surfaced. Apparently, it affects
> the hard disk and prevents it from booting up. Has anyone else run into this
> and what cures/defense are effective? It appears to be abale to evade VSHIELD
> and to be resistant to CLEAN.
>
> james ssemakula
> u.c. riverside.
>
> ps.
> which idiot is responsible for this?
>
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Name: Joshi

Origin: India

Type: Stealth  Partition  Boot

                                        Joshi is reported to have originated in
 India.  It infects the partition boot sector of hard disks, storing the
 original, as well as the rest of the virus code elsewhere on track 0, head 0.
 Just like the Brain virus, Joshi redirects attempts to read the virus code
 while it is active in memory.

               The virus activates on January 5th of any year and displays the
 message:

			type Happy Birthday Joshi

                      Unless the user obeys and types "Happy Birthday Joshi",
 the system will     hang.

To remove virus boot system from clean write-protected diskette and run "clean".
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:33:02 +0200
From:         George Chalaris NTU <ghal@LEON.NRCPS.ARIADNE-T.GR>
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Dear frineds of the net,

I  am posting this message asking for  any references  concerning methods
 to introduce ecology related subjects, managed by GIS technology, to high
 school students.
Actually I am trying to understand how GIS technology, especially to
enviromental management problems, is being applied to different countries
at the education level.
I will try to summarize responses and post them on the net.


George Chalaris

GIS Analyst
Hellenic M. Geographical Service
Pindoy 8 , N. Philadelphia
Athens 143 42 - GREECE
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