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From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Subject: Re: Packer News
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:54:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.143915.4596@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.131613.13786@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey) writes...
>
>>The Packers holdouts are now: Ruettgers, Moran, Noble, Tomczak,
>>Jackie Harris, Paup, Robert Brown, and Buckley.  
>
>I'm pretty sure Brown signed just before the scrimmage in GB.  I 
>believe I read that he was placed on the 2nd string when he signed 
>because Patterson was having such a good camp.
>
>I haven't heard that Kemp and Archambeau have signed but this should 
>bring the number of unsigned players to 8 *including* Terrell Buckley.
>

I don't think Brown signed.  If he did, who is the 8th unsigned
player?

>>Tidbits from a radio interview with Ron Wolf (to the best of my memory):
>>   -  "The Packers will trade holdout players if adequate compensation
>>        is offered" - Braatz's policy was to not trade holdouts on the
>>        fear that this may cause a rash of holdouts from players who
>>        want to leave Green Bay.
>
>It doesn't matter whether you have a policy or not.  The players still 
>hold out hoping to force a trade.  This happens to every team.

Agreed!  That's one reason why Braatz's policy was stupid.  

>>   -  "No running back has assumed the 'featured' role yet, although
>>        someone is getting close" - again he didn't say who.
>
>I can't imagine who this is.  Edgar Bennett was 11 carries for 47 
>yards against the Chiefs.  Marcus Wilson was 11/38.  Pookie Workman 
>started along side Dexter McNabb and was 3/12.  I don't think there's 
>a clear favorite as a result of the Chiefs game.

I was a bit suprised by this myself.  I know Thompson was the player
they had hoped would be the featured back, but since he is not practicing
I can't see how he could have solidified the position.  The other backs
were solid, but unspectacular vs. the Chiefs.


Todd
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Highest paid player
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:45:17 GMT
	<allan.713640339@kitscoty>
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>
If you count the CFL, R. "The Rocket" Ismail makes around $24 million
over 4 years with the Toronto Argonaughts. (That's $6 million per year.)
>

yes, but as was brought up with the whole Rypien thing, is that $6m US
or Canadian?? ;D

--Vernon.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:42:10 GMT
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Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug14.171841.11491@cbfsb.cb.att.com> tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey) writes:
** I asked**
>>Has there been another guy get as much hype and attention and do as little
>>as Tony Mandarich in recent NFL history? 
>>
>
>There's only one I can think of:  Brian Bosworth.  


Bosworth at least had one pretty good year in Seattle, and he also had a
legitimate excuse for failing, serious shoulder injuries that prevented
him from continuing his career.

Mandarich is just a bust, a guy who built himself up to star status in
college but is a complete bust in the NFL. Funny how when he dropped from
325 to his NFL weight he ceased being a dominant player. Of course he
also has poor footwork according to the experts.





Russ Smith
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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: holdouts
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:00:44 GMT

In article <l928a7INN3v0@cronkite>, andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE) writes:
>Draft choices are a different story.  If Desmond Howard were to sit out,  he
>would go back into the draft next year.  Sitting out again would make him a free
>agent.  No team wants to lose the 6th player in the draft.

Or the 4th player in the draft (which Howard was). 

Do teams routinely negotiate with players before the draft?  "OK, so if we
pick you, and offer $1 million, we won't have any holdout problems, right?"

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
Subject: Minnesota Vikings News
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:18:23 GMT


     Some Vike's tidbits: 

     (Minneapolis StarTribune Wednesday August 12, 1992)

	Vikings linebacker Ray Berry, the last of the team's holdouts,
	signed a contract for one year and an option Tuesday night
	and reported to training camp.

	Rich Gannon signed on Saturday, and watched the pre-season
	game with Buffalo that evening in street clothes from the
	sideline.  The Minneapolis StarTribune reported that Gannon
	made significant conncessions in accepting management's 
	final offer (maybe I can dig out the old sports section
	from the recycling pile and provide some details on
	Gannon's signing if there is interest).

	Here are some bits from a little box in the paper called
	"Training camp report":

	  Yesterday's highlights/ On the second day of head-to-head
	  competition between Sean Salisbury and Rich Gannon at 
	  quarterback, Salisbury looked good in the 2-minute drill.

	  ...and lowlights/ Gannon's 2-minute drill (he ran with the
	  second team, and Salisbury with the first team) lasted
	  three plays - two incompletions and an interception to 
	  linebacker Carlos Jenkins, who will be hard to keep out
	  of the starting lineup (Jenkins was drafted from Michigan
	  State - I beleive in last year's draft.  I remember that
	  he was prominent in a good defense at MSU, but does not
	  meet the size specs. that make a linebacker a high
	  draft pick possibility - of course we all know why
	  the Vikes have to try to find these lower round "steals"
	  to rebuild the team)

	  Second look/ The perception that the Bills didn't care
	  about their game (a 24 to 3 Viking victory) against the
	  Vikings on Saturday is widely held, but a few players and 
	  coaches offered this obervation: The Bills blitzed about
	  15 times, highly unusual for a preseason game - especially
	  one that a team didn't care about.  "You said it," said
	  Vikings coach Dennis Green. "I didn't".

	  Fenney hurting/ Vikings fullback Rick Fenney's hip injury is
	  not healing, so the team is sending him to Cleveland to see
	  a specialist.  The injury could keep him out for the season. 

	  All for now

	  John A. Ganske 
	  2200 Host Communications Software
	  UNISYS, Roseville, Minnesota
          jag@unislc.slc.unisys.com
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Where are they now?
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:19:10 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug21.140657.58311@cc.usu.edu> slskq@cc.usu.edu writes:
>	Jim Zorn is a quarterback coach here at Utah State University.

Which reminds me of the priceless quote on what he was going to name
his soon to be born son." I think we'll name him Bjorn so the headline
in the paper can read Bjorn Zorn Born".




Russ Smith
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:23:56 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <MeWkHBW00WDKM8rnFe@andrew.cmu.edu>, vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes...

>>
>be encouraged and was part of the home field advantage.  What do you guys
>think the worst is?
>>
> 
>personally, I think the "immediate spike" to stop the clock is a shitty
>rule. Sure you lose a down but so what!? teams in the past have managed
>to make the play, there's no reason why teams nowadays should get that
>added bonus...

I like this rule.  In fact, it seems kind of artificial (or maybe I 
should use the word unnatural) to *make* the QB throw the ball 
downfield.  Dumping the ball to avoid a sack is one thing but 
why shouldn't they be able to sacrifice a down to stop the clock?  
They're going to do it anyway only they'll throw it out of bounds - 
same effect.

Maybe they should just say that if after 3 timeouts you can still call 
another timeout but it'll cost you a down.

>also, I think they should change the rules so that if the 2:00 warning
>has passed, then a play MUST be run--no kneeling. A kneel should result
>in loss of down--that is, if you kneel on first down, the next down is
>third. If you kneel on second down, the next down is fourth. If you
>kneel on third down, the ball changes possession for the next down. If
>there's one thing I hate about a game is watching them kneel at the end
>to protect a 1-7 point lead....

I disagree here too.  To make the team run a 'real' play would be to 
artificial.  In general, I'm against any change in the rules after the 
2 minute warning.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

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will notify you of the situation by assuming an appearance that, for the most
part, is dark and lifeless." - The Adventures of Lone Wolf Scientific
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Subject: Re: Giants Scrap Offensive Line Re-org Plan
From: Nelson Broat <NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 18 Aug 1992 17:05:51 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1992Aug18.153004.8319@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, dick1@hera.uucp
(25443-vaughn) says:

  "Facts about the hurting Giants OL deleted for brevity"

>All of which means that Doug Riesenberg will be back at right tackle
>trying to stop Reggie White when Gang Green comes a-calling Nov. 22.
>I can hardly wait.

I can! I can!  ):  As a loyal Giant fan I can hope, but I must come
to terms with reality, and the reality is, the Giants will be lucky
if they go 9-7. I'll be very surprised if they go 10-6. I'll probably
go into cardiac arrest. I watched their second preseason game against
the Browns. I kept staring at the screen waiting and waiting to see that
new offensive strategy that they keep promising...you know...the "we're
going to open it up offense", but *sigh* it never happened. All I was
treated to was the same old "run it down their throats" Giants football
of years past. Too predictable. Too predictable. When will Handley learn
its not going to work! When! Unfortunately, I feel the answer may be
never ): even after the Eagles defense destroys the Giants offense.
I don't want to see that happen but I fear it will.

>GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GIANTS!!!!
>[Heh, heh, heh...]
>Dick V.

                                        Nelson "Handley will be the
                                                death of me yet" Broat

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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:47:27 GMT

In article <joanne.713768942@probitas> vamplew@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Peter Vamplew) writes:
>In <65913@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>
>>I'm just curious as to what the opinions are out there as to the absolute
>>SINGLE worst rule the NFL currently has.  There are some pretty bad ones out
>>there.  IMHO, the worst has to be the rule allowing a penalty to be called
>>on a home team for "excessive crowd noise."  I always thought that was to
>>be encouraged and was part of the home field advantage.  What do you guys
>>think the worst is?
>
>The one that allows Cleveland to wear those disgusting brown shirts :-)
>
>Peter Vamplew
>#43 - Australian Kookaburras Gridiron Team 8th World tour
>

Is that the same rule that lets them have blank helmets?
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Packer Update
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 17 AUG 92 13:15:21    

In article <1992Aug17.172227.27074@uwm.edu>, melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill) writes...

>>Lewis Billups was responsible for the only Packer score.  He 
>>intercepted a Nagle pass and returned it for a TD.  But it was Billups 
>>that was beat on the Jets long TD pass I mentioned and he also was 
>>called for pass interference.
>>
>  Hmm, not really that important, but I believe it was Holmes, #44
>  who was burned badly on that TD pass. I may be mistaken tho. But
>  I'm pretty sure it was Holmes.

I think you're right.  I mentioned this to the person next to me at 
the game then somehow got it mixed up when I posted this morning. 

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: The Trade Rumors
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:55:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.162728.23427@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
>In article <1707@hydra.bucknell.edu> jacobson@arcturus.tmc.edu (douglas jacobson GR) writes:
>>In article <oeWGVMS00Uh7M2VUgL@andrew.cmu.edu> tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Harris Fletcher) writes:
>>>How about this one....
>>>
>>>Ken O'Brien to the Chargers?
>>>
>>>Todd
>>
>>You can have him. :-)
>>
>
Stuff Deleted

>This morning's paper suggested the Dolphins might trade Secules or
>Mitchell for San Diego's nose tackle. I forget the nt's name.
>
>Tony (go new england) Travaglini
>tech@cs.ucf.edu

YEAH do it! I'll take anybody that could help the Dolphins D line.

John T.
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and also my favorite football teams. And remember to always genuflect in Shula's
presence and to kiss his Super Bowl Rings. .........John "Dolphinatic" Turman
From: chf0@newshost.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dolphins vs Broncos Stats
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:40:42 GMT
Reply-To: chf0@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

Statistics: Dolphins vs Broncos  (Reprinted without permission from
the Boston Globe) (Note:  I don't vouch for the validity of these
stats - in particular, I think the fumbles and the sacks may be
incorrect. I thought that the broncos had one more fumble and one less
sack)

Final Score:  Dolphins 31,  Broncos 27

Scoring by period:
	
		First Quarter
	Den - FG Bennett 35 yds

		Second Quarter
	Den - Alexander 5 yd pass from Moore
	Mia - Clayton 38 yd pass from Marino

		Third Quarter
	Mia - Craver 10 yd run
	Mia - Saxon 17 yd pass from Mitchell
	Mia - Martin 28 yd pass from Mitchell
	Den - Johnson 9 yd pass from Maddox
	Mia - FG Stoyanovich 26 yd

		Fourth Quarter
	Den - Tillman 39 yd pass from Maddox

Team Stats:	Denver		Miami

First Downs	23		13
Rushes/Yds	27-90		23-92
Avg Yd/Carry	3.3		4.0
Passing Yds	281		173
Comp-Att-Int	25-39-4 	10-23-3
Passing %	64%		43%
Sacks-Yds lost	6-41		0-0
Punts		2-31		4-41
Fumbles/lost	2-1		2-2
Penalties/yds	8-55		8-55
Possession	28:57		31:03

Individual Stats

Rushing-Rusher	Carries/yds/average

Denver	Green		13-44-3.4
	Lewis		8-26-3.25
	Elway		2-11-5.5
	Moore		1-3-3.0
	Maddox		1-3-3.0
	Rivers		1-3-3.0
	Perryman  	1-0-0

Miami	Parmalee	10-37-3.7
	Craver		7-35-5.0
	Humphrey	2-8-4.0
	Saxon		1-8-8.0
	Woodside	1-6-6.0
	Pederson	2-(-2)-(-1.0)

Passing-Passer		Comp-Att-Int-Yds	TD

Denver	Elway		9-11-1-135		0
	Moore		3-4-0-18		1
	Maddox		13-24-3-169		2
	
Miami	Marino		4-9-3-75		1
	Mitchell  	5-8-0-85		2
	Pederson  	1-6-0-13		0
	
Receiving-Receiver 	Catches-Yds

Denver	Rivers		5-77
	Russell		4-72
	Lewis		3-14
	Tillman		2-52
	Jackson		2-17	
	Marshall	2-15
	Alexander	2-13
	R.Johnson	1-23
	Sharpe		1-17
	Awalt		1-9
	B.Johnson	1-9
	Morgan		1-4

Miami	Clayton		2-55
	Martin		2-39
	Craver		2-13
	Baty		1-19
	Duper		1-17
	Saxon		1-17
	Bell		1-13

Field Goals

	Miami - Stoyanovich made 26 yds
	Denver- Bennett made 35 yds
		Treadwell made 20 yds

-- 
Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
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From: libr@rosie.uh.edu (Harvey Brauner)
Subject: Re: Houston Oilers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 14:44:00 GMT

In article <JEFF.92Aug23015320@neuron.cs.tamu.edu>, Jeff@cs.tamu.edu writes...
>Any Oiler fans left out there?  Getting kind of quiet, I expected to see
>some discussion about my favorite pro team in here.

You called :)  

>If Sean Jones, Fuller, and Dishman return the defense looks like it
>*could* be outstanding.  Offensively, with the return of Munchak and
>Duncan, I can't think of any weaknesses, except maybe for the dropoff
>from the first to second quarterback.  What would happen to this team if
>Moon gets hurt or finally goes on strike due to contract frustrations?

I expect to see Fuller, Dish, Duncan, and Munchak in camp probably before the
first game.  Who knows with Jones. There has been no press about Munchak's
contract though. I suspect that the team wants him to save his knees.
As for the dropoff from first to second quarterback; Cody Carlson is no Warren
Moon, but he is good enough to be a starter on a few teams.  Warren said that
he will not sit out the season if his bonus clause is not settled.  I think
it will be a done deal by the first game.

>And, how about Bucky Richardson.  Will he become the number 3
>quarterback?  I missed the drive he lead towards the end of the game.
>Did he look as impressive as in the previous games?

Bucky continues to impress :) He had an apparent TD pass but the ref called the
receiver out of the end zone. He'll make the team and might be the #3 man since
Reggie Slack is still injured.


         Harvey Brauner - libr@jetson.uh.edu  | Systems Department    
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:21:54 GMT
Organization: Chevron

JOHN HEIM writes:
>Vernon H Harmon writes...
>
(some other guy writes...)
>>>No 2 point conversion.
>> 
>>oh, yeah, i forgot about that one. it would be nice and make the games
>>more interesting, but that we don't have it doesn't make me all that
>>upset...
>
>Yeah, I don't think this is the NFL's *stupidest* rule but I'd like to 
>see it too.  

I think the logic behind the absence of a 2-pt conversion is that if you
have overtime, you don't need a 2-pt conversion option, and vice versa.
NOT that I agree with this viewpoint, its just what I've always heard
after asking "Why no OT in college ball?", and "Why no 2-pt in the pros?"

Curious, curious.


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From: jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY ALLEN WILES)
Subject: Re: Who was the Lions QB last year?
Originator: jawiles@c00114-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY ALLEN WILES)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:27:48 GMT


     Erik Kramer -- an NCSU grad, I might add!!  Peete has his work cut out
     him I assure you!!
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From: jwc@netx.com (Jeff Comer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Head Coaches
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:22:54 GMT
Organization: The Chaos Bobs

vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:
>Phoenix Cardinals:		god I can't believe I can't remember his name!

Joe Bugel.