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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Have you made Bulgarian Yogurt outside Bulgaria?
From: lihouba@iris.weizmann.ac.il (Christo Houbaviy)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:12:59 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computing Centre

In article <Bs0sqq.Gq2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> svilen@sofia.ks.uiuc.edu (Svilen Tzonev) writes:
>
>Arseny Nikolaev Markov writes
>
>- text deleted -
>
>I'm sorry Arseny but this time you are wrong. LBB abbreviation is not my
>invention. There is an institute in Sofia: Center for Biogenic Stimulants,
>Slivnitza 211. One of their rather successful products is called LBB based
>on Lactobacillus Bulgaricus ( I checked in my digital Webster - the
>english term is Lactobacillus Bulgaricus! so you are correct for this).
>
>Well, people from this institute use the term "LBB" as a substitution for
>Lactobacillus Bulgaricus.

Well there was plenty of turmoil among the Bulgarian biologists regarding the
aforementioned Centre for Biogenic Stimulants in my time. The general opinion
was that there is too little science and too much fraud at that institution. So
I am not surprized that the guys there have given a fancy name to their
'invention'. Other fancy discoveries that were made there include ENERGIX (a
mixtrure of vitamins mostly) and Zhirovital the recipe for the latter -rumour
had it- being initially suggested by T.Zhivkov personally.

I would like to point out also that L. bulgaricus seems to me a LATIN not
an ENGLISH name :-)
Anyhow not only your Webster but also the 'Bergey's Manual of Determinative
Bacteriology' has the species under that name.

>Let's close the page.
>
Let's close the topic also - knowledge of bacteriology is not necessary to
enjoy Bulgarian milk.

Christo Houbaviy
Department of Molecular Genetics and Virology
The Weizmann Institute of Science
Rehovot, Israel

bitnet: lihouba@weizmann
internet: lihouba@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il
From: lyubomir@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Lyubomir L Alexandrov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Er Golyam
Keywords: alphabet, er golyam
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:15:41 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.bulgaria
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci
Originator: lyubomir@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU

>From acsu.buffalo.edu!ub!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!news.Brown.EDU!noc.near.net!mars.caps.maine.edu!maine.maine.edu!io11412 Wed Jul 22 17:21:50 EDT 1992
>Article 1019 of soc.culture.bulgaria:
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>>From: IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
>Subject: Er Golyam
>Message-ID: <92204.103005IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
>Date: 22 Jul 92 14:30:05 GMT
>Organization: University of Maine System
>Lines: 13
>
>Dobar den,
>Dobawr den,
>Dobwr den,
>Dobyr den,
>Dobxr den,
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Drago
>----------------
>Univ. of ME
>Comp. Sci. Dept.
>----------------
>
>

In my correspondence with other Bulgarians we
use "q" to denote this sound - the "q" is good for nothing
else in this case and with more imagination it resembles
the Bulgarian letter turned to 180 degrees around the
center of the "q" (I can hear those of you that hate maths).
Therefore we would write:

"q"		- Bqlgariya, dobqr den

We also use:
"j" or "zh" 	- like in Todor Jivkov/Zhivkov
"y"		- like in Yordan Yovkov
"c"		- like in cyal den
"ch"		- like in chereshovo topche
"sh"		- like in shiroko, sherp
"sht"		- like in shtastie, zashto
"yo"		- like in Kolyo (this Bulgarian letter is an
anachronism anyway - it is met only in conjunction with the Bulgarian "o")
"yu" 		- like in Yugoslaviya, Yujen Park
"ya" 		- like in Yugoslaviya, Bqlgariya

Sometimes we type
"w"		- like in wino (cherweno, byalo)
although most of the time it is:
"v"		- like in vino (cherveno, byalo)

If  you are using TeX (LaTeX) then instead of "q"
you'll find yourself writing "{\cdprime}"
and instead of "y" you'll have to type "{\u\i}" or "{\u i}"

I would gladly propose this as an alphabet reform
in Bulgaria and thus eliminate all the headaches
with printing, typing, converting from abv to bgd standards
& so on. 

It was a little strange at first, but
after my friends & I got used to it, now
it is almost as natural as to write it in 
cyrillic.

I am very curious to see the reaction to this suggestion
in this newgroup. To save bandwidth, please, post 
only replies  with constructive suggestions for the 
criticized subtitutions.

Sincerely,


Lyubo


lyubomir@cs.buffalo.edu
From: nexus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Arseny Nikolaev Markov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Have you made Bulgarian Yogurt outside Bulgaria?
Date: 25 Jul 1992 21:27:04 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov) writes:

[quoted stuff deleted]

>>Excuse me, Svilen but who cares 'bout your version? Don't forget that
>>in your article you write a follow-up to a PROFESSIONAL molecular bio-
>>logist.

>Was he? I thought the original one was by Niki from Hull, and IMHO he is a
>professional engineer. But he may have a second profession as well :-). But
>OK - I guess you had in mind somebody else. But why do you treat Svilen is
>such way? Just tell him in plain words ...

Look, Luben, Svilen and not Niki came with the "LBB" invention. And
anyways, I already APOLOGIZED to him on the s.c.b. Is that clear or I
have to repeat it?  Why do I treat Svilen like that... It's nothing
personal, Luben but to answer this question, not why I treat "Svilen"
"like that" but in general, is a topic for another discussion.

[more stuff deleted]

>Wow ...

Huh?

>>Svilen, I know personally the lady, Dr. Kondareva, from the Department
>>of Microbiology at the Medical Academy of Sofia who made the contract
>>on bulgarian yogurt with a company, a subsidiary of Coca-Cola in NY in
>>1978.

>What's your point that you know this lady in person? For a second I thought
>you will say that you know the Lactobacillus in person :-). 

My point, Luben, was that I know for sure that bulgarian yogurt has
been imported/made in the States. Sold to customers as well. So it is
more or less popular in the U.S. of A.

About your second thought "for a second" I don't have any comments. I've
seen Lactobacillus if that's what you wanted to know. Or I misunderstood
your "english" sense of humor?

[more stuff deleted]

I've already made myself clear. If a person is not a professional,
he/she shouldn't come up with name "inventions" and wild
guesses/theories.

>Best regards,


>Luben

Fare well!

Arseny
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: About the Bulgarian Jews and the Bulgarian people
From: lihouba@iris.weizmann.ac.il (Christo Houbaviy)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:05:46 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computing Centre

In article <154s7gINNcto@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> sutin@helios.ucsc.edu (Brian Sutin) writes:
>In article <5492@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov) writes:
>>In article <151d2dINN602@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> sutin@helios.ucsc.edu (Brian Sutin) writes:
>>>In article <5462@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lb@ra.cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov) writes:
>>
>>> in which Jews and "Bulgarians" (note
>>>how the word "Bulgarian" often does not include the Jews)
>>
>>What do you mean? When talking about ethnic and religious matters, I can't
>>see how it "includes" it.
>
>Oh?  So a Jew cannot be a Bulgarian?  I hope that is not what you are
>implying.  Can a Bulgarian only be Christian or Moslem?  Is a Jew who
>speaks Bulgarian (most Jews in Bulgaria do, you know) not a Bulgarian?
>
>The first step is to say things like "Jews and Bulgarians"; then when
>times get bad, the Gentiles can say, "What are these Jews doing here?
>They aren't Bulgarians!  Let's treat them like the second class citizens
>they really are!"
>
I don't really get the point Brian. Although I haven't read the book I believe
that the phrase 'Jews and Bulgarians' can be used instead of 'Bulgarian Jews and
Bulgarians' (or even instead of 'Bulgarian Jews and Non-Jewish Bulgarians)
without implying any antisemitic mood. It is just the shortest way to
talk about the two ethnic groups in a book that deals with that matter.
Secondly Bulgarians really can be only Christian. Non - christian bulgarian
citizens are not Bulgarians they belong to other ethnic groups. I don't see any
thing wrong with that and there is no racial discrimination in that statement.
Thirdly Bulgarian Jews consider themselves Jewish not Bulgarians (as do Jews in
other countries). (Though they are sometimes referred to as Bulgarians here in
Israel - just for shorthand).
As to what would happen when things go bad - I can only tell you that during
the anti-Turk campaign performed by the former communist goverment the argument
was quite the opposite - they claimed that the Turkish popullation was
Bulgarian and therefore those people should change their names and religon.
>Brian Sutin				sutin@helios.ucsc.edu
>Lick Observatory, UCSC			Santa Cruz, CA 95064

Christo Houbaviy			lihouba@weizmann
The Weizmann Institute of Science	lihouba@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il
Rehovot, Israel
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Have you made Bulgarian Yogurt outside Bulgaria?
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:49:20 GMT
Reply-To: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester UK

In article <14lettINN75k@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> nexus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Arseny Nikolaev Markov) writes:
>svilen@sofia.ks.uiuc.edu (Svilen Tzonev) writes:

[deleted]


>Excuse me, Svilen but who cares 'bout your version? Don't forget that
>in your article you write a follow-up to a PROFESSIONAL molecular bio-
>logist.

Was he? I thought the original one was by Niki from Hull, and IMHO he is a
professional engineer. But he may have a second profession as well :-). But
OK - I guess you had in mind somebody else. But why do you treat Svilen is
such way? Just tell him in plain words ...

> He happens to be a friend of mine and now I repeat in my quality
>of another professional: The correct name of the germ is Lactobacillus
>bulgaricus.

For god sake - what's this fuss about? A - I see - in case we establish
FAQ, we must include the right name there :-).


>You think... That's good but maybe you should read first on the subject.
>The only difference between the cow/sheep and human milk is the differen
>t content of lactose.

It's never late to get info on what I missed from my biology classes (which
I never liked :-( - sorry Arseni - nothing personal, but all my biology
teachers were boring and nasty ).

> In cow/sheep milk it happens to be up to 30% of th
>e total sugar. People normally have an lactose degrading enzyme but some
>kids don't have it made until they're more adult. That's why some babies
>puke when you feed them grocery bought milk. It's an alergy. That does
>not have anything to do with the Lactobacillus qualities. Every milk
>dwelling Lactobacillus degrades lactose, not only the bulgarian variety
>and the product is not some misterious "human" sugar but milk- and other
>acids.

Wow ...

>Svilen, I know personally the lady, Dr. Kondareva, from the Department
>of Microbiology at the Medical Academy of Sofia who made the contract
>on bulgarian yogurt with a company, a subsidiary of Coca-Cola in NY in
>1978.

What's your point that you know this lady in person? For a second I thought
you will say that you know the Lactobacillus in person :-). 


>Arseny Markov
>Virology and Oncology Lab
>Division of Biology

OK Arseni, but I think Svilen didn't want to express professional opinion ...

Regards

Luben
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: svilen@sofia.ks.uiuc.edu (Svilen Tzonev)
Subject: exchange rate
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:18:18 GMT

Hi everybody,

Does anybody know the current exchange rate of US $$ to bulgarian levas?

Thanks in advance,	Svilen
--
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

Svilen Tzonev				E-mail: svilen@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu
Dept of Physics						or
Beckman Institute				s-tzonev@uiuc.edu
405 N Mathews
Urbana, IL 61801, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: iotov@ccsf.caltech.edu (Mihail Iotov)
Subject: Re: Have you made Bulgarian Yogurt outside Bulgaria?
Keywords: yogurt
Organization: CCSF Caltech, Pasadena, CA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 06:32:41 GMT

I thought I'll give my contribution to the still hot L.Bulgaricus discussion.

To begin with, most of the varieties of yogurt sold nearby do have `L.Bulgaricus'
mentioned among the ingredients (the don't actually write Lacto... Bulgaricus,
probably to avoid possible misspelling :-), others get away with "active milk
cultures"). There is also a brand called `Bulgarian style', which certainly
cointains less water than the Bulgarian "kisselo mliako". I am not sure if the
same or some other brand also says "natural and kosher".

It is also my oppinion that yogurt (may be with some fruit flavor) has long
been popular in the western world. There is even some kind of a medicine also
under the name L___something__ Bulgaricus which I've seen them to take against
poor digestion. Now, what I've heard is that the bacteria actually
cut the long proteins in the milk, thus making it much less slimy and better for
you (if you overdrink milk you'll get running nose to get rid of the slime).
The same should hold for the kvas and all the cheeses.

White "feta" cheese also can be found but the one I know of is canadian and
rather expensive.

The above said makes me believe that it was exactly the L* Bulgaricus stuff 
what Bulgaria was most popular in U.S. with, and may be still is (and perhaps
computer viruses, nowdays, among the initiated). Other reports I have come
across include one about Bulgarian custom officials being ESP-trained to detect
smugglers and another about studies conducted at the Kozloduy nuclear
plant having shown that radiation definitely increases one's libido and
`wife-swapping is rife' there. No doubt they copied these from our tabloids.

Cheers from the Southern Land,
				Misho
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: peter@itnux2.cineca.it (Peter Yovchev)
Subject: Re: Er Golyam
Organization: Laboratorio di Fisica Computazionale, INFM. Trento Italia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:00:19 GMT

lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov) writes:

>In article <peter.711895614@itnux2.cineca.it> peter@itnux2.cineca.it (Peter Yovchev) writes:
>>lyubomir@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Lyubomir L Alexandrov) writes:

   [deleted]

>>>>Dobar den,
>>>>Any ideas?


>Well, I think that "u" is a very good choice for "er golyam". For example -
>in "Bulgaria" :-) and many other English words, "u" sounds as "er golyam".
>But there is the Bulgarian "y" ... And in such case - isn't "q" more likely
>to the Bulgarian "y" ?

Yes may be.

>>I think we can use it as a standart for posting information in
>>bulgarian.

>Why do you need a standard? And for where? If one writes to another one and
>does't use the "standard"? Just curious. Otherwise - I agree that it's nice
>to exchange ideas of how to match Cyrillic to Latin letters.


I need a standard alphabet for posting information in bulgarian
in this newsgroup. For instance I just receive few fresh bulgarian
newspapers and I want to quote some sentences in bulgarian.
It sounds different.         
And we also can begin a discutions in bulgarian like people
in soc.culture.french, and soc.culture.german do.



>>The alphabet is as follow:

>>v,w

>I think "v" is far better. And if a "standard" has to be introduced - only
>1 letter is needed.

Yes, I agree.

>>j,/zh/

>In English newspapers one finds 'zh' - for Zhelev, Zhivkov :-). But I think
>that "j" is easier to use.

In german and spanish newspapers also 'zh' is using, but in french and
italian it is 'j'.

>>y

>maybe "yo" ?

Ah yes Yoordan Yoovkov.

>>u

>Yes but 'er goliam' - well, @ looks a bit like 'er goliam' also :-)

In fact @ is more conveniant for 'er golyam':

It's better to type "k@r" , not "kur"

>>sht

>Maybe 'zt' ? - more concise?

Yes but not. This will introduce a lot of conrtadictions:

"raztovarvam","iztrivam" etc.

>>y -Er malqk in the 'consonant-er malqk-o' combination

>That's a problem :-(

Yes that is.

[deleted]

>>Ciao

>Should be 'Chao' :-)))

'Ciao' is in italian, like 'best regards' is in english.

Capito?

>>Peter

>Best regards

>Luben

Ciao.

Peter
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: daniel@danbo.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Subject: Re: looking for email connection into Sophia
Organization: Digital Systems
Distribution: soc.culture.bulgaria
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:59:05 GMT

In article <LEVINEL.92Jul21114107@tristram.teradyne.com> you write:
: 
: Second, I'm posting this for my cousin who works for VOCA (Volunteer
: Overseas Coopertive Assitance), a Washington DC based organization
: which assists farmers around the world to develop/improve agricultural
: businesses. He (Jeff Levine, phone # 87-17-51) is looking at getting
: electronic connectivity in/out of his office located in Sophia. Is
: there any network connectivity already existing, or persons who he could
: contact to discuss this?

Since this could interest generally more people, I will dare to reply
in the group as well.

The EUnet backbone in Bulgaria will connect any site in the country,
regardless of their research/accademic/commersial status. The
connectivity provided is e-mail and UseNet News, and limited IP (slow)
connectivity. Usualy the setup of a new site takes from one day to a
week. For more information please contact:

Daniel Kalchev <daniel@digsys.bg>
BGnet
c/o Digital Systems
Neofit Bozveli 6
Varna - 9000
Bulgaria
e-mail: office@digsys.bg

There are several sites at present in Sofia, to name few:

virbus.bg	Laboratory of Computer Virulogy at BAS
csy.uucp	Insitite of Informatics at BAS
marsel.uucp	Mars Electronic Ltd.
mgu.uucp	University of Minning and Geology
amex.uucp	Open Market stock exchange
usw.uucp	United Software Writers Ltd. (not active)

Other sites in the country:

digsys.bg (danbo.bg, bulgaria.eu.net, dsvme.digsys.bg)
		Digital Systems, Varna
		The national EUnet backbone
acmbul.bg	The Bulgarian Chapter of ACM, Varna
natsoft.bg	Naturella Soft Ltd, Varna
pegas.bg	Pegasus Group Ltd, Varna
aubg.bg		The American University in Bulgaria, Blagoevgrad
lanix.uucp	Lanix Ltd, Burgas
libvar.bg	The Public Scientific Library, Varna
rmri.uucp	The Insitute of Oceanology, Varna
		(soon to be moved to Romania)
bulpac.uucp	The PTT/Bulpac, Varna
marvel.uucp	Marvel Ltd, Plovdiv

Expected to join are a dozen of Universities.

Best Regards from Varna,
Daniel Kalchev
postmaster@Bulgaria.EU.net
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bulgaria:1059 soc.culture.jewish:13190
From: lyubomir@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Lyubomir L Alexandrov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Er Golyam
Keywords: alphabet, Bulgarian, transcription, transcribe, spelling
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:03:35 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.bulgaria
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci
Originator: lyubomir@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU

Hi,

I admit there are some ambiguities with the proposed by me 
system for transcribing  the Bulgarian alphabet. E.g.:
ch 	- Ichak Rabin
sh	- shvashtam 
zh	- izhod


To avoid these, as well as to preserve readability, I 
suggest an optional spelling for the letter "h"

h, kh	- Haskovo, Khaskovo

Then :

ch != ckh	- Ickhak Rabin
ch		- Cheren Petqr

sh != skh	- skhvashtam
sh		- shiroko pole

zh != zkh	- izkhod
zh		- Zhelyo Zhelev, Jelyo Jelev

Therefore:

a
b
v
g
d
e
j
z
i
k
l
m
n
o
p
r
s
t
u
f
h, kh
c, ts (added for compatibilty with all users)
ch
sh
sht
q
y (only with o - yo)
yu
ya


Lyubo (this is not from the alphabet)
From: nexus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Arseny Nikolaev Markov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Have you made Bulgarian Yogurt outside Bulgaria?
Date: 23 Jul 1992 00:09:17 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

svilen@sofia.ks.uiuc.edu (Svilen Tzonev) writes:

[stuff and struggling with the news editor deleted for brevity]

>> Actually the name of the germ is Lactobacillus bulgaricus. As far 

>My version of the name is Lactum Bacillus Bulgaricum - LBB.

Excuse me, Svilen but who cares 'bout your version? Don't forget that
in your article you write a follow-up to a PROFESSIONAL molecular bio-
logist. He happens to be a friend of mine and now I repeat in my quality
of another professional: The correct name of the germ is Lactobacillus
bulgaricus.

>As far as, I know the bacteria thrives not only in Bulgaria but also in  
>some neighboring regions to the south-west and south ( guess the names ).  
>Whenever taken away, it quickly transforms/looses some characteristics. (  
>here I may be wrong - I think the main reason the LBB is praised is  
>because it somehow changes the cow/sheep milk sugar and makes it similar  
>to the human one ).

You think... That's good but maybe you should read first on the subject.
The only difference between the cow/sheep and human milk is the differen
t content of lactose. In cow/sheep milk it happens to be up to 30% of th
e total sugar. People normally have an lactose degrading enzyme but some
kids don't have it made until they're more adult. That's why some babies
puke when you feed them grocery bought milk. It's an alergy. That does
not have anything to do with the Lactobacillus qualities. Every milk
dwelling Lactobacillus degrades lactose, not only the bulgarian variety
and the product is not some misterious "human" sugar but milk- and other
acids.

Bulgarian yogurt is praised together with the russian kefir mainly
because it's a very nutritious and easily absorbable food( the "kiselo
mliako" microcoagulates are absorbed with a little change straight into
the bloodstream ) and because of it's high content of microelements and
specific fatty acids.

>During the 60's and 70's LBB was very popular in Western Europe and  
>especially in Japan. For some reason(s) it never become popular in U.S.

Svilen, I know personally the lady, Dr. Kondareva, from the Department
of Microbiology at the Medical Academy of Sofia who made the contract
on bulgarian yogurt with a company, a subsidiary of Coca-Cola in NY in
1978.


>Svilen

>--
>#############################################################
>Illinois - the best place for skiing /in the Midwest/.

Arseny Markov
Virology and Oncology Lab
Division of Biology
Kansas State University

phone: (913) 532-7633
  fax: (913) 532-6653

bitmail: nexus@ksuvm.ksu.edu
Internet: nexus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 10:30:05 EDT
From: <IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Er Golyam

Dobar den,
Dobawr den,
Dobwr den,
Dobyr den,
Dobxr den,

Any ideas?

Drago
----------------
Univ. of ME
Comp. Sci. Dept.
----------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: johnc@fox.nstn.ns.ca (John Chesley)
Subject: Name and Address, Industry Official
Organization: Industry Science & Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:47:29 GMT


I am looking for the name and mailing address (or fax) for whoever would be 
the senior official for the Ministry (Department) that deals with industry 
or economic development in Bulgaria.

In the Canadian governmental system, the official would be called the Deputy 
Minister.  (ie. the government employee who has day to day administrative 
responsibility for the Department).

Can anyone provide this or lead me to someone who could?  As an option I 
could write to the political head of the Department, but it is more of 
an administrative thing that I wish to write about.

Thanks very much.  It is probably best if you send the information directly 
to my email address:  chesley@ns.istc.ca

Best wishes,



John C.



From: mhn@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mark Notess)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:21:15 GMT
Subject: Koutev?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria

I'm interested in getting recordings of the Bulgarian women's
chorus, but I prefer the more traditional arrangements (i.e., Koutev's)
to the ones currently in vogue.  Anyone know what's available?
Also, I'd be interested in any discography on Bulgarian instrumental
music (again, traditional folk stuff).

Thanks,

Mark