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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:02:57 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: God

Garry,

Its a question of definition....Murder.... I can see someone killing
another being to alleviate pain, or during war, or to avoid a
more painful death (rape, torture) soldiers have killed a friend..
and on and on...

Incest....  again definition...in some cultures its quite common to
marry first cousins.... Again, if pregnancy does not result and
precautions are practiced, why and what are the reasons for why you
or anyone would consider sex between related mature adults, be it
brother and sister, father and daughter or mother and son, morally
wrong....  Sure it might make some of our readers sick...but is the
disgust or sick feeling a result of what we have been taught or is there
an inherent problem when two consenting adults have sex if they happen
to be siblings?....

Sure, a lot of things bother me....including the idea of eating dogs or
incest and so on....but does it make it morally right or wrong?...  I know
a mother who felt tremendous guilt because she happened to get turned
on when nursing her baby..... it happens...

zahir
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:21:23 EST
Reply-To:     TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM
From:         "Paul Robinson, Contractor" <FZC@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      [TDR] Absolutes

In several articles, some people make the claim either

1.  That there are no absolutes;
2.  That some people live by the absolute that there
    are no absolutes.

The great philosopher Ayn Rand, in her book "Atlas Shrugged,"
threw this argument into the wastecan by saying:

  The person who claims that there are no absolutes is
  in and of itself making an absolute statement.

Therefore any such claim is garbage.
---
Paul Robinson  (Reply To: TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM)
These opinions are mine alone, and do not necessarily
represent those of the owner of this account.
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From: ASTIEHM@HERMES.GC.PEACHNET.EDU (Anne Stiehm)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.commed
Subject: ORAL COMMUNICATION COMPETENCY
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:44:52 GMT
Organization: Gainesville College in Oakwood, GA
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    We recently went through the SACS accrediting process and I would
be interested in finding out how other departments and schools
handled the situation.  Since we are a two-year school, I am
particularly interested in how two year schools have handled the
situation.
    The situation here is has become very political and what is best
for the students does not even seem to be an issue.

********************************************
*     Anne M. Stiehm                       *
*    Instructor of Speech Communication    *
*    Gainesville College                   *
*    P.O. Box 1358                         *
*    Gainesville, GA  30503                *
*    (404) 535-6378                        *
*    ASTIEHM@HERMES.GC.PEACHNET.EDU        *
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:37:32 EST
From:         "A. Kaniss" <dashiell@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      ucsifm
Comments: To: cyber-l@uga.cc.uga.edu

Does anybody on this list now program using ucsifm or ifm
for short or have you done so in the past?
If so could you please reply since I'd like to compare notes and get
some ideas.

jude <dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil>
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From: steve@rama.demon.co.uk (Steve Entwistle)
Subject: Re: Spool file size inconsistency 
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:09:38 +0000


In article <9212161531.AA18297@noc2.dccs.upenn.edu> TOM@PENNDRLS.UPENN.EDU writes:

>We are running MVS TCP/IP 2.2.1 under MVS 4.2. I shut down the TCPIP started
>task yesterday afternoon. This morning I executed a '$d spl,jobs=5' command
>on the system console. The results indicated two jobs awaiting hard copy and
>taking 5 percent of the spool space. One of these was from a CICS region that
>suffers a lot of task ABENDs, and the other was from TCPIP. I then executed
>SDSF under TSO. I had no trouble finding a huge file from CICS, but all I
>found from TCPIP was a 92 line file. When I entered a '?' on the SDSF screen
>to get detailed information about the various data sets comprising the job I
>found reasonable looking byte counts, totalling about 6700 bytes. Does
>anyone have any idea what is going on?
>

    It is my understanding that JES2 does not free any of the spool space
used by a job, until all the sysout datasets have been purged/printed. We
suffer the same problem with CA-DISPATCH, where several million lines worth
of spool space will be consumed until Joe Bloggs turns on his remote printer
to allow his 10 line report to be produced, and thus freeing the space.

Steve
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From: schafer@is.rice.edu (Richard Alan Schafer)
Subject: BSM memory?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:01:42 GMT

Does anyone out there have experience with 3rd-party memory manufactured by
BSM?  I'm particularly interested in memory installed in 9121s, but would
like to hear of anyone with BSM memory.  What kind of problems/good results
have you had?  Have you ever done any tests to verify equivalent performance
to IBM memory?

-- 
Richard
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:18:29 -0700
From:         Marvin Dodd <med@YUMA.ACNS.COLOSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      VTAM-->JES2 SYSOUT
Comments: To: ibm-main <ibm-main@ricevm1.rice.edu>

I am exploring ways to distribute reports to networked printers on a
campus backbone using primarily TCPIP. The mechanism that we are going
to use takes SYSOUT destined for an NJE site/printer and converts that
to a TCP/IP lpr session with a network host. Clear? :-)

My first stab at this requires that output to a VTAM printer LU be
redirected to SYSOUT where I can examine it and redirect it to the
correct NJE printer. Is there any VTAM application out there that looks
like a printer to VTAM but redirects the report to SYSOUT?
--
Gene Dodd
Colorado State University
(303) 491-1583
med@yuma.acns.colostate.edu
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Organization: San Jose State University
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:19:04 PST
From:         John Sroka <SROKA@SJSUVM1.SJSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Using INPCS to connect to IBMLink

On Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:38:32 EST ABRC000 said:
>> I am trying to run INPCS to connect to IBMLink.  It is Release 1.1 of the
>> software.  I have got a Practical Peripherals PM9600SA trying to connect
>> at 2400.  I get to the point where I need to enter my password, then the
>> TX and RX lights just flash back and forth, and after a while my connection
>> is dropped.  I have messed with the setup string in DIAL.PCS, but to no
>> avail.  If any of you have successfully dialed up IBMLink with the PM9600SA,
>> I would really appreciate any pointers.  E-mail and net responses are both
>> acceptable.  Thanks for any and all help.
>>
>> Jay Venenga                              Internet: venenga@uni.edu
>> Systems Programmer                             or: venenga@att1.uni.edu
>> Information Systems and Computing Services
>> University of Northern Iowa             USWestNet: (319) 273-2008
>> Cedar Falls, IA  50614-0509                   FAX: (319) 273-3509
>> ===========================================================================
>
>I tried using that program to get on IBMLINK and it didn't work either.
>I called IBMLINK customer assistance and they said that it was no
>longer supported. They suggested I use procomm and they sent me an
>information  sheet on it. You can call them at 1-800-543-3912.

We have been successfully using the INPCS 1.1 program, with the understanding
that it is no longer supported and sooner or later we will need to migrate to
INPCS/HPO or PROCOMM.  A few items we've noted on INPCS:

-There is a separate dial number for INPCS vs. INPCS/HPO, so I presume the
 protocol is different.  You should be able to get the IBMLink Dial Directory
 from your SE, or from the IBMLink Bulletin Board if you can get on IBMLink
 some other way.

-If a login fails on an INPCS session, you will usually get no message to
 your DOS session explaining why.  The trick is to do an ALT-ESC, which will
 toggle you to the emulated 3270 session IIN login screen, which will usually
 display the problem, and you can also try entering your IBMLink userid info
 directly.

-A datascope is also useful for diagnosing basic INPCS connection problems.
 Our campus uses a digital PBX with modem pooling for outgoing calls, and
 we found that by tinkering with the DIAL.PCS file and watching the datascope
 we could replace the Hayes commands INPCS normally puts out with commands our
 PBX liked.

I'd be interesting in hearing if anyone is successfully using IBMLink with
PROCOMM, and if so, what setup is required.

John Sroka
Technical Support Services
San Jose State University
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:52:00 HST
From:         Bill Soong <T204300@UHCCMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Using INPCS to connect to IBMLink

If you're using OS/2 2.0, there's a Workplace Shell application called
PMHPO which does the basics in accessing IBMLink.  It's available at
no charge on the OS2BBS.  Your local IBM'ers should be able to download
it for you.
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:08:48 EST
From:         John Eiszner <JEISZNER@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Carriage control on MVS output sent to VM

The problem may be with the CMS RECEIVE EXEC, not with MVS.
RECEIVE as delivered strips carriage control from PRT-type
spool files by default.  We put a local mod on our RECEIVE EXEC
to invoke the DEPRINT module to read print spool files to disk and
preserve the carriage control.  (DEPRINT is included with the
CMS Utilities feature of VM/ESA, formerly packaged as the VM/IPF
Program Product).  Send me private mail if you'd like a copy
of the fix.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| John Eiszner, Lead Systems Programmer                               |
| Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis (IUPUI)        |
| (317) 274-0751  JEISZNER@INDYCMS.BITNET  JEISZNER@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU |
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Organization: Marist College
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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:03:24 EST
From:         "A. Harry Williams" <HARRY@VM.MARIST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Address for listserv@marist ??????
              11 Dec 1992 20:16:03 GMT from <SYSDMCKE@VM.UWP.EDU>

On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:16:03 GMT <SYSDMCKE@VM.UWP.EDU> said:
>Hello,
>  I am looking for the full address for MARIST.  I tried sending to listserv@
>MARIST and our nameserver cannot resolve that address.
Just for the record, we are also VM.MARIST.EDU

>Doug Mckeown
/ahw
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:49:00 EST
From:         "Peter M. Weiss +1 814 863 1843" <PMW1@PSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      NC-PASS interface for FTP Server (MVS TCP/IP)?
Comments: To: ibmtcp-l@pucc.BITNET, acua-l@uvmvm.BITNET

(I've searched the above listserv lists for this info as well
as UNINFSEC, but no hints.)

If you have implement NC-PASS exits (from S&K Software) for use by
the IBM MVS TCP/IP _FTP_ Server, I would like to hear from you.

Thanks,

/Pete (pmw1@psuvm.psu.edu)
--
Peter M. Weiss                     | not affiliated with psuvm.psu.edu|psuvm
31 Shields Bldg -- Penn State Univ.| "Connectivity is more than a Connection"
University Park, PA USA 16802-1202 | E. Michael Staman, _The Circuit_, Apr 92
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:12:10 PST
Reply-To:     cooling@compctr.ccs.csus.edu
From:         Mike Cooling <COOLING@COMPCTR.CCS.CSUS.EDU>
Subject:      MVS and Carriage Control (HELP!!!)
Comments: To: ibm-main@RICEVM1.bitnet

I'm trying to submit a job from our VM system to our MVS system (which works
fine). The output is automatically return to the users VM RDR queue.
Unfortunately it has no carrige control.

I think what I need to know is: What does it take to get MVS to put carriage
control in a file. I've tried taking known reports that show up in the MVS
hold queue with carriage control (as confirmed by shifting right on the SDSF
hold display). I then re-direct the output to a file with RECFM=FBA, and the
resulting file has no carriage control. In my opinion, if I can solve this, I
have a good start getting the listing back to VM with carridge control.

Anyone run into this?????  What am I doing wrong?????

Thanks in advance.



Michael T. Cooling                                email: cooling@csus.edu
California State University, Sacramento
Manager of Operating Systems and Network Support
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:38:32 EST
From:         ABRC000 <ABRC@CATCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Using INPCS to connect to IBMLink

> I am trying to run INPCS to connect to IBMLink.  It is Release 1.1 of the
> software.  I have got a Practical Peripherals PM9600SA trying to connect
> at 2400.  I get to the point where I need to enter my password, then the
> TX and RX lights just flash back and forth, and after a while my connection
> is dropped.  I have messed with the setup string in DIAL.PCS, but to no
> avail.  If any of you have successfully dialed up IBMLink with the PM9600SA,
> I would really appreciate any pointers.  E-mail and net responses are both
> acceptable.  Thanks for any and all help.
>
> -jay
>
> ===========================================================================
> Jay Venenga                              Internet: venenga@uni.edu
> Systems Programmer                             or: venenga@att1.uni.edu
> Information Systems and Computing Services
> University of Northern Iowa             USWestNet: (319) 273-2008
> Cedar Falls, IA  50614-0509                   FAX: (319) 273-3509
>
> Disclaimer:  Standard
>
> "Thinking for us, basically, is a trick, like a dog walking on two legs.
>  It's amazing we can do it at all." - Hans Moravec
> ===========================================================================

I tried using that program to get on IBMLINK and it didn't work either.
I called IBMLINK customer assistance and they said that it was no
longer supported. They suggested I use procomm and they sent me an
information  sheet on it. You can call them at 1-800-543-3912.

*****************************************************************
* Rodney Clayton         Howard County Public Schools           *
* Systems Programmer     ABRC@CATCC.BITNET                      *
*****************************************************************
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:19:15 PST
Reply-To:     cooling@compctr.ccs.csus.edu
From:         Mike Cooling <COOLING@COMPCTR.CCS.CSUS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: MVS and Carriage Control (HELP!!!)
Comments: To: ibm-main@RICEVM1.bitnet

Thanks to all who replied.  DEPRINT solves my problem.


Michael T. Cooling                                email: cooling@csus.edu
California State University, Sacramento
Manager of Operating Systems and Network Support
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From: pg@sanitas.stortek.com (Paul Gilmartin)
Subject: Re: format of outgoing mail to CMS mailer
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:32:36 GMT

Andrew LaRoy (alaroy@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: I am attempting to patch together a mail handler for our vm/cms.  I've got
    [ ... ] 
: This rases two problems.  First is that I am not able to find ANYTHING
: about what format the mailer wants the mail in.  If anyone out there has
: an idea / documentation, I would greatly appreciate it.  Our cms front end
: is Ricemail, in case that makes any difference.

If your CMS back end is VM/TCPIP (5735-FAL), then
This is a programming interface documented in SC31-6084 12.1.4.1, the
VM/TCPIP Programmer's reference.  The file must be formatted with an
SMTP header (described in RFC 821) and an Internet Text Message header
(described in RFC 822).  The RFCs are available by FTP or by Mail from
service@nic.ddn.mil.

: Second, what is the basic algorythm for a sf * outmail mailer in rexx. 
: And why can't cms take an sf * outmail in the first place.  Most other
: OS's I've worked with are a LOT better about wildcards tham CMS.

/* Sigh.  Ain't it the truth. */
'LISTFILE * (STACK'
do while queued()>0
    parse pull FN FT FM .
    'EXEC SENDFILE' FN FT FM 'TO' outmail;  end
/* Hammer and file to fit.  At least bypass the LISTFILE header.  :-) */

-- gil
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:46:22 EST
From:         Bill Gruber <BIGCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Address for listserv@marist ??????
              11 Dec 1992 20:16:03 GMT from <SYSDMCKE@VM.UWP.EDU>

On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:16:03 GMT <SYSDMCKE@VM.UWP.EDU> said:
>  Also, How should I go about finding the full address for other sites like
>this ?  9 out of 10 times, I have to hunt it down as our nameserver isn't to
>hot.

Well, for bitnet nodes (and their internet equivalents) you can send (or mail)
the following one line command to the LISTSERV nearest you:

SHOW NODE <nodename>

This will return info about the node including internet equivalents and contact
people.  Won't be all that readable since it is a dump of a table entry, but
with a little practice it will all make sense.  If you just want the internet
equivalent, then issue a SHO ALIAS <nodename>

Bill Gruber
City University of New York Computer Center
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:39:25 EST
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              IBMTCP-L%pucc.PRINCETON.EDU@NOC2.DCCS.UPENN.EDU
Comments:     Resent-From: John Pedlow <TKSJOHN@UBVM>
Comments:     Originally-From: "Thomas D. Denier" <TOM@PENNDRLS.UPENN.EDU>
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was IBM-MAIN@RICEVM1
From:         John Pedlow <TKSJOHN@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Spool file size inconsistency

Very oversimplified, we experienced this problem when we went ESA.  We
were told JES for ESA 4.2 handles JOEs in spool space, not in memory
as XA JES had done.  And, given that spool space is not released until
all output is purged, as long as even a few lines of output are in the
held output queue, the JOEs are still being held.

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
We are running MVS TCP/IP 2.2.1 under MVS 4.2. I shut down the TCPIP started
task yesterday afternoon. This morning I executed a '$d spl,jobs=5' command
on the system console. The results indicated two jobs awaiting hard copy and
taking 5 percent of the spool space. One of these was from a CICS region that
suffers a lot of task ABENDs, and the other was from TCPIP. I then executed
SDSF under TSO. I had no trouble finding a huge file from CICS, but all I
found from TCPIP was a 92 line file. When I entered a '?' on the SDSF screen
to get detailed information about the various data sets comprising the job I
found reasonable looking byte counts, totalling about 6700 bytes. Does
anyone have any idea what is going on?
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:19:16 EST
From:         "Thomas D. Denier" <TOM@PENNDRLS.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Spool file size inconsistency
Comments: To: IBM-MAIN%ricevm1.rice.edu@NOC2.DCCS.UPENN.EDU,
          IBMTCP-L%pucc.PRINCETON.EDU@NOC2.DCCS.UPENN.EDU

We are running MVS TCP/IP 2.2.1 under MVS 4.2. I shut down the TCPIP started
task yesterday afternoon. This morning I executed a '$d spl,jobs=5' command
on the system console. The results indicated two jobs awaiting hard copy and
taking 5 percent of the spool space. One of these was from a CICS region that
suffers a lot of task ABENDs, and the other was from TCPIP. I then executed
SDSF under TSO. I had no trouble finding a huge file from CICS, but all I
found from TCPIP was a 92 line file. When I entered a '?' on the SDSF screen
to get detailed information about the various data sets comprising the job I
found reasonable looking byte counts, totalling about 6700 bytes. Does
anyone have any idea what is going on?
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:08:00 PST
From:         Leonard D Woren <LDW@USCMVSA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: WTO strings need not be inline anymore

(Please note that I'm not picking on the IBMer who posted the message
that I'm quoting; I'm picking on IBM Corp.)

>   The WTO macro was used as an example of:
>  'IBM's often limited interfaces (like WTO, with its requirement that you
> you code the WTO string inline)'
>
>   This limitation was removed in MVS/ESA SP4.1.0 with the addition of the
> TEXT parameter on the WTO macro.

Oh good.  So we can expect IBM to fix one boneheaded design error in
OS every 25+ years?

Right now I'm trying to get TSO/E to remove the forced blksize=3120
for log files in TRANSMIT and RECEIVE.  They claim this is a major
design change, and are refusing to do it.  Since the replacement for
the linkage editor finally removes the blksize=3200 restriction for
its input, I expect to see TRANSMIT and RECEIVE fixed in the year
2022, based on my estimate of when TRANSMIT and RECEIVE came out.
Of course, IBM will not be in business by then due to things like
this.

From a very old "The Wizard of Id":  A sign on the wall behind the
store clerk says "The customer is always wrong."  Rodney tells the
clerk:  "There's something wrong with your sign."  The clerk says "No
there isn't."

TSO/E development has already spent more time arguing with me over
this than would be required to actually fix the code.

/Leonard
From: pg@sanitas.stortek.com (Paul Gilmartin)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Subject: Re: Common library (PL/1 and IBM C Compilers)
Date: 18 Dec 92 05:30:27 GMT
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
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David Sumitra (david@VAX1.CC.UAKRON.EDU) wrote:
: Having common library for two products, increases maintenance work.
: A patch to one product, requires both the products to be tested again.
: Are there any problems if there is a common library for each product?
: This way, when a patch is applied to one product, the other need not be
: tested. Are there any pitfalls to this arrangement?

Yes.  The other product has not been patched; therefore it contains a
known defect.
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