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From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Is 'eschatology' popular among Korean Christians in the world?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:05:47 GMT

In article <14ks0cINNgfk@agate.berkeley.edu> chriskim@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chris M. Kim) writes:
>What a joke, especially for those who claim to be Christians.  When I 
[...]
>Jesus never specified when he'd come back.  In fact, he said 
>that not even the angels in heaven know. 
[..]

That's the ONLY way to keep it valid.  As soon as you give a specific time,
then your days are counted.  Maybe it explains why all the surviving and
prospering religions are vague about the future.  Be vague!  Avoid
specifics!

> I just think that this is a 
>stupid and a sad thing that's happening in Korea.

As I understand it, this one did not start in Korea.  I have seen this
stuff in hispanic channel as well.  It is my understanding that it started
somewher in latin america.

Although it is stupid to believe in such story, (it is stupid because you
look bad after a certain date.  if you believed something vague, then you
still remain vaguely correct.) someone is making money behind this fear and
panic.  Whenever you see why this kind of things happen, see who is
benefitting from it.  Invariably the benefactors are the proponents.  There
is not much opposing movement to joke because no one makes money opposing
it.  The same goes for other religions as well.

>Chris M. Kim

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Maoist review of book on southern K
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:04:22 GMT

In article <1473700019@igc.org> An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.org> writes:
>
>Are there really still some Maoists out there, ho has that stuff been posted
>20 years ago?
>

	Peru's Shining Path guerrilas are Maoists.  

>
>bye, Goetz Kluge, anlyyao@igc.org (San Francisco), Seoul 1992/07/28
>


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From: jumpark@n3000a.ece.wisc.edu (jong-min park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: HANGUL FOR MAC!!
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:37:26 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: none

In article <1992Jul21.234521.6525@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.225638.26156@wdl.loral.com> cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Il Hyung Cho) writes:
>>
>>There is no Hangul Word Processor for the Mac.  What you need is the
>>Korean Fonts or a Korean System 6.0.7.  I believe that the Korean System
>>is available on the FTB apple.com and/or the developer's CD from Apple.
>>
>Well.. I think "NISUS" is a Hangul Word Processor..(or it is just a word
>processor with Hangul fonts?)..   But it is true that with Hangul fonts and
>Hangul Talk OS.. we can use any wordprocessors.
>
>...

Actually, 2-byte Hangul (HangulTalk 6.0.7 or 7.0) must be used with a
word processor that recognizes 2-byte codes, and I believe NISUS is the
only one that satisfies it. Sure, you can use others, but it won't be
a pretty sight.

Jong-Min
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Reply to Douglas Harper by Maoists
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:40:20 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <9207301718.AA27880@nettlerash.berkeley.edu> SCIENCE@MITVMA.BITNET writes:
>Douglas Harper reveals whose side he's really on by calling this
>a "free country."

More important than that, he mentioned about you hiding your name. You seem
to have difficulty in getting the main point.  Maybe that's why you are
what you are today.

James Choi
From: doh@cis.ksu.edu (Kyung-Goo Doh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Question about VISA
Date: 29 Jul 1992 20:59:21 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: depot.cis.ksu.edu

In article <Bs5w45.7ux@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wyg9633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Wooed Sun) writes:
>sks@athena.mit.edu (Soonkyu Shin) writes:
>
>
>>	Generally, a national of Korea must request for or renew a
>>nonimmigrant visa in an American ambassy or consulate in Korea.
>>However, the law does allow such an individual, let's say one who is
>>renewinghis F-1 visa, to apply at an ambassy or consulate located in a
>>country other than his own.     ...
>
>This is not to challenge the correctness of the above information.
>But I *overheard* from some guy some time ago (last year?) that there was
>a rule change in this aspect, and that one had to go back to the ambassy
>located in his/her home country.  However, I cannot guarantee the accuracy
>of his remark, because what he claims turns out to be false in many
>instances.   Anyway, it is my understanding that he eventually visited
>Korea in a sole purpose to renew his visa.   I need to know who is right,
>because it will be my turn next year.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>-- 
>email to : w-yang@uiuc.edu (wyg9633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)

No, what you overheard is not correct.
I renewed my F-1 visa at American Embassy in Paris, France last March.
As long as you have valid I-20 form, you can renew your Visa at any
Embassy or Consulate outside US. The extension of visa is needed 
only when you reenter the US.

The new rule recently changed is that you need to extend your I-20
in one year from the ending date in your I-20 form.
The old rule says that you don't have to extend it as long as you're
in school.

Kyung-Goo Doh
From: cho@cs.pitt.edu (Il-Hyung Cho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Is 'eschatology' popular among Korean Christians in the world?
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:07:53 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

Hope this is not irrelavant to this group.
In Korea, 'Jong-Mahl-Lon'(eschatology) is drawing an attention from both 
religious and non-religious people. Some, I mean not many, Christians claim 
that there'll be an airial advent of Christ on Oct.28 this year.They say it
"Hyu-Geo" (rapture?) On that day, those who have prepared for
Christ will be salvaged.  According to them, they'll be lifted and placed
on the air, and for those who remained on earth, there'll be a
big hardships (Dae-Hwan-Lahn).They'll be dead and every culture will
be destroyed.Sounds funny or interesting?
I myself is neither a Christian nor a Hyu-Geo believer, but somewhat
interested in the theory. Seems like that only here in Korea(yes, I'm in
Korea) the Hyu-Geo Theory draws a bit attention among Christians.
I'm curious that how Korean Christian students or any other who stays abroad
 think about it.
From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: T.V.
Date: 28 Jul 92 08:04:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

(JIUN KIM) writes:
>
>
>.... I am sure they will feel like they ["real people" in korea]  are 
>living in different society in the same country. Ha-Kyung's mother is supposed 
>to  be short on money enough not to be able to pay Ha-Kyung's Tuitions and fees
>when she was in college, but they still live in first-class Billa. 

The 'Korea' in TV land definitely exists in an alternate universe where
the housing problem doesn't exist. All the shows have such unrealistic 
discrepencies. Notice how 'traditional' households which are supposed to
be just 'middle class' have big 'han-ok(traditional Korean)' style
houses in the middle of Seoul where real estate prices are sky-high.

American TV is not much better in portraying 'real people' families.
They all live in nice suburban homes with more than one car, or
gentrified urban housing.

Part of the problem might be that film studios do not have enough
sets for realistic portrayl and tend to reuse sets for rich people's
houses due to budget constraints.. :-)

-Han
From: lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: volleyball
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:40:00 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Hey, does anyone out there know the roster for the Korean volleyball
team? and what are their chances of winning anything?  Not good, eh?

-Steve Lee
From: zoon@cs.umd.edu (Sungzoon Cho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: T.V.
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:40:26 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Jul28.041847.23434@ncsu.edu> jkim@eos.ncsu.edu (JIUN KIM) writes:
>
>As another person saw this mini-series, I have different opinion about them.
>It is fun to watch all the events which are very dramatic and played in a quick 
>tempo.  But I found them kind of unrealistic and even childish to be extreme. 
>
>I don't mean all the dramas has to be dead serious or should represent only 
>moral and decent characters. But as one of the most powerful means of 
>public media, things on TV at least need to reflect the society with a 
>viewpoint, I think.  All 

    I believe that those TV programs REFLECT the Korean society today.
  You may not like what you see, I may not like what I see, but, 
  that's the reality !!!  

>... 
>that this kind of problem of TV is old and not only discussed for this drama, 
>but this one seems to be typical one of them in that sense, only targeting to 
>popularity rather than the quality of the drama, 

    Commercial stations are by definition more concerned with popularity 
  (rating) than quality unless viewers want QUALITY.   As long as Korean 
  TV viewers are crazy about "low" quality TV dramas, they will never 
  have a chance to watch "high" quality ones.  (I am sure my definition 
  of "low" could be different from your "low," but that's another subject.)  
  Just like in politics. (I know, but I couldn't resist :-))
 
> making people lose sense of what really is and should be.

    Wait a minute.  Wasn't that the whole purpose of entertainment TV ? :-)
  Seriously, to get an idea on what really is and what should be, I would
  turn off the TV set, read books, think hard, meet other concerned 
  people to discuss what can be done to change the status quo, and do it.
  

    Sungzoon Cho (zoon@cs.umd.edu)
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Responses to Choi and Harper
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:06:54 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <9207302002.AA02318@nettlerash.berkeley.edu> SCIENCE@MITVMA.BITNET writes:
>
>Harper and Choi have the kind of illogic that when they were
>kids in school and the teacher said "2+2=4," instead of trying
>to evaluate the substance of that, they went home and asked
>their parents if their teacher was a brave man or not, does he
>have an Ivy League degree, is he distinguished?

	How do you know?
	Is this how you belive in Maoism?
	It was refreshing shock when I saw the posting about it;
	but again, disappointed how things are being judeged
	by the poster.

>... We use the nets for debate, education and information/analysis.
> We do not use the nets for self-expression, self-aggrandizement--
> only class politics.

	What! Give me a break!  Do not add me into your 'We'.

> They being ego-centered wish to prove their individual worth
> without assessing any substantive arguments,

	I wish I can do that; or I wish I can think that way at least.
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From: wyg9633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Wooed Sun)
Subject: Re: Question about VISA
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:48:04 GMT

sks@athena.mit.edu (Soonkyu Shin) writes:


>	Generally, a national of Korea must request for or renew a
>nonimmigrant visa in an American ambassy or consulate in Korea.
>However, the law does allow such an individual, let's say one who is
>renewinghis F-1 visa, to apply at an ambassy or consulate located in a
>country other than his own.     ...

This is not to challenge the correctness of the above information.
But I *overheard* from some guy some time ago (last year?) that there was
a rule change in this aspect, and that one had to go back to the ambassy
located in his/her home country.  However, I cannot guarantee the accuracy
of his remark, because what he claims turns out to be false in many
instances.   Anyway, it is my understanding that he eventually visited
Korea in a sole purpose to renew his visa.   I need to know who is right,
because it will be my turn next year.

Thanks in advance.
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From: whang@tamaru.kuee.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Whang Sung-Keun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: go! go! go! KOREA KOREA KOREA
Date: 27 Jul 92 06:30:13 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Dept. of Electr. Eng., Kyoto Univ., Japan


Hello,
 
Have you ever heard of korean girl's whose eighteen-year-old at the
Korea gymnasium high school  gold medalist  tonigt?

Wow... Gee...

What a great News!


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From: slzw0@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Was 'Kamatari' a Koran?
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:19:38 MDT
Organization: Utah State University



I don't know much about what you are particularly questioning but
what I can answer is that "Pack-Jae" gave a great influence to
the ancient Japanese history.   The reason why there were many
immigrants from Pack-Jae to Japan was caused from the
"Unification of Sin-Ra". Shortly after Pack-Jae's defeat,  the
people in aristocratic class in Pack-Jae realized that they could
not survive under the new circumstance. So, they decided to go to
Japan. Few years ago, there were special TV documentary show
in an Korea that was explaining about how Pack-Jae people arrived
in Japan based on Japanese and Korean legend, historical relics
and so forth.  I don't remember clearly but they arrived
one of the southern island and move up to the north and finally
arrived the biggest island in Japan.   

There are many evidence that explains influence of Pack-Jae to
Japan.  For example many of the ancient Japanese cultural assets
are almost identical to the that of Pack-Jae's.(For instance,
Pick up any Japanese water bottle around 7C, 8C and compare with
Pack-Jae's) Even many inheritance from a Japanese General's 
grave  literally explain it's origin, which is Pack-Jae. Even one
of the Japanese General might be the same guy who just
disappeared after unification (from the name of grave and his
inheritance etc) One the other hand, one of the interesting thing
that I heard from my high school teacher was this: "Sung-Nyung"
is very papular among the Koreans but in Japan, is not,  expect
Japanese Royal family"  Sung-Nyung is a kind of byproduct that
could be produced after cooking rice. It is much like rice tea. 
I am not stil quit sure if it is true in Japan but it could be
either just coincidence or one of the Korean remnants.  

By the way,  I truly believe that Korea gave greatly influence to
the ancient Japanese culture and history. However, whatever those
are, those are the past.  I believe,  the present, what we do,
where we are, is way more important than the past. Because, the
present is the place where our next generation is going to live
and to plan their future. The past would be just good reference
and helpful for not making any further same mistakes.


 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jkim@eos.ncsu.edu (JIUN KIM)
Subject: Re: T.V.
Originator: jkim@c00100-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jkim@eos.ncsu.edu (JIUN KIM)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:19:13 GMT


In article <1992Jul28.171919.12873@tc.cornell.edu>, jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
|
|>     	Yeah?  So?  Come on, this is just a TV show.  It's not real. 
|> heard your argument so many times when I was living in Korea, it's not
  > even funny.  So many shows on TV are criticized and cancelled because they
|> supposedly divide the riches from poor.  For crying out loud, it's just
|> a TV show.  So what if a TV show promotes some unmoral life?  You don't
|> have to watch it.  Sheesh.
 -- 

The important fact is that TV is very influencial to people. It expresses
opinion like newspaper or books. Of course viewers have choice of either
watching it or turning it off. So is the same with books and newspapers and most
of others. And also viewers have the right of criticizing 
it because it is public mess media, and it will help to press TV to make
better ones. If this kind of argument is old, that means that there are still a 
lot more improvements to be done about TV shows and TV is not reaching up to 
the level of the Korean public.
 
|> T. H. Brian Chung                      | IRC nick: Idaho

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From: seody@eecs.nwu.edu (Dae Y. Seo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: olympic update wanted
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:08:26 GMT
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University

An Hang-Bong won the gold medal in the 57 Kg class of Greco-Roman style
wrestling, winning 6-5 over a German player.

Medal Standing
7/30, 1:33 pm (EST)

EUN        16    8   7   31
USA        10    8   9   27
China       7    9   2   18
Hungary     6    4   1   11
ROK         5    0   1    6
Germany     4    3   8   15
Poland      3    2   2    7
Cuba        2    2   1    5
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: seody@eecs.nwu.edu (Dae Y. Seo)
Subject: Re: olympic update wanted
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:27:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.170331.23868@hellgate.utah.edu> hsong%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Hwal Song) writes:
>
>hello, netters!
>
>here in utah, it takes about a week to get a korean newspaper.
>nbc, of course, gives no medal stories of korean atheletes.
>could anyone post olympic update of korean medals on a regular basis?
>i heard that there are 2 gold medals so far and no siver or bronze medals.
>other trivias on korean teams will be greatly appreciated.
>
>thank you in advance.

(AP)- Lee Eun-chul of Korea was the surprising gold medalist Wed. in the
Olympic men's free air rifle competition.
Lee, ranked eighth at the start of the final round, scored 105.5 points in his
last 10 shots to finish with 702.5. Harald Stenvaag of Norway took the silver
at 701.4.
   ``They're the best results I've ever had in my life,'' Lee said.
``I didn't think I was going to win. It really was a great surprise for me.''

----------------
Team Handball  Sweden 28 : Korea 18
Table Tennis Korea won all the singles and doubles except one men's single.
Field Harkey   Britain 3 : Korea 1

  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: HANGUL FOR MAC!!
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: all
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:45:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.225638.26156@wdl.loral.com> cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Il Hyung Cho) writes:
>
>There is no Hangul Word Processor for the Mac.  What you need is the
>Korean Fonts or a Korean System 6.0.7.  I believe that the Korean System
>is available on the FTB apple.com and/or the developer's CD from Apple.
>
Well.. I think "NISUS" is a Hangul Word Processor..(or it is just a word
processor with Hangul fonts?)..   But it is true that with Hangul fonts and
Hangul Talk OS.. we can use any wordprocessors.

>Il Hyung Cho
>cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com
>

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From: hnkst2@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Hanhwe han Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Shin Chaeho and Chosun-sang-go-sa
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:11:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

woongki@syacus.acus.oz.au (Woong-Ki Chong) writes:
>hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim) writes:
.. stuff about anarchist ideals:
>>They denied the authority of the
>>Japanese who ruled Korea, just as they would have denied the
>>authority of ANY form of government that could use coercive
>>force (police, military, or tax collectors). 
>
>This is interesting.
>Does this mean that they wanted an independent Korea without a state?
>I wonder what their idea of independent Korea was.

According to the anarchist ideals, that's what they wanted.
Anarchists in principle, deny the authority of anything besides
voluntary contracts between individuals. Of course they differ
in varying degrees as to what qualifies as voluntary, and how far they
are willing to go to actually bring about their ideal and maintain
it, as any idealistic movement.

This is about as much I know about anarchism and I can't remember
more about anarchists involved in the Independence movement. Their
influence went down as the years went by, and the serious elements
within the Independence movement became Communists and Nationalists
of a much more militant nature.

-Han


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: T.V.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 02:41:22 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

Running out of video games, I happened to rent out
some K.T.V. video tapes with the recommendation of
the store clerk.

The first one was 'KeumJanHwa - starring Hwang SinHye';
I was so pissed and took them back to the store; and
got them replaced - the progress of story line was so slow
that I could not stand it.

The second one was 'YakSok (the promise)'; I was so impressed
by the actress - 'Choi JinSil'. Her acting was so good; maybe
I haven't watched enough; but it was the best among what I have
watched.

Apart from the story, I never knew she can act like that; her character
really dominates the whole series so that when she's dead, I lost
the whole interest to keep on watching the rest - and yes, I have
wasted the life time of my VCR head.

Can anyone recommend some good stuff?
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