From: mgh3@po.cwru.edu (mike hurley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: AutoDoubler 2.0 + GK: It Just Keeps Getting Worse
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Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:44:43 GMT
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In article <JACKR.92Dec16093843@dblues.wpd.sgi.com>, jackr@wpd.sgi.com
(John "Jack" Repenning) wrote:
> 
> 
> It's like a nightmare, isn't it?  It just keeps getting worse and
> worse, doesn't it?  
> 
> Autodoubler has long carried some really snotty messages to the effect
> that "you must remove GateKeeper before installing Auto Doubler."
> Despite the warnings, and the gyrations needed to get around the AD
> installer, the conflict wasn't too serious: sometimes, AD couldn't
> compress a file, and a copy would be left in a top-level folder called
> "AutoDoubler Rescued Items," or something like that.  Once in a while,
> I would trash that folder, but the "original" of the file was always
> in its proper spot.
> 
> Now that AutoDoubler 2.0 is out, with its "internal compressor" usable
> on many files in the System Folder, I was eager to wring a bit more
> free space out of my disk, but cautious about conflicts: I feel that
> AutoDoubler is the second most important thing on my system, but
> GateKeeper is number one.  I will not sacrifice its protection for
> anything, not even more space.  So, I watched my several Mac news
> groups and BBS's, waiting to see if anyone else reported problems.  I
> didn't see any such reports (maybe I missed them?), so I figured AD
> had at long last admitted that it had to accommodate GK.
> 
> I even checked the documents that come with the program, using a
> friend's copy.  The AD 2.0 "Configuring Virus Checkers" document says
> you need GK version 1.2.6 ("or later," though 1.2.6 is presently the
> latest).  OK, I have 1.2.6.  It also says you need to grant Copy
> Doubler (a part of AD 2.0) certain permissions, "the same as
> AutoDoubler," a kind of back-handed way of claiming that these
> permissions will make things work.
> 
> The Impossible Dream!
> 
> The snotty installation message is still there.  But circumventing it
> is now a Very Bad Idea, because loads of other snotty things are also
> "new and improved" with this version.  In fact, AD2.0 causes
> (seemingly) every control panel in my CP folder to futz its resources
> in ways GK does not like.  I'm unwilling to grant permissions like
> this to every CP.  Even though I trust AD's use of these calls, they
> are indeed "very suspicious activities" (of the very first water) that
> would be just the sort of thing a virus writer would use, and it
> doesn't appear to me that AD has given GK 1.2.6 enough information to
> discern the legitimate calls from the illegitimate.
> 
> 

  lots deleted

I contacted Salient/FGS on America Online a while back and received
the following information:

-AutoDoubler does not automatically use internal compression 
-(the AutoDoubler Internal Compressor is a separate app which 
-comes with AD 2.0). However, the AutoDoubler control panel is 
-itself internally compressed, which triggers Gatekeeper's alert. 
-It is possible to expand the AD control panel using ResEdit.
-
-
-While AD is installed (you can make a backup copy, but in order 
-for the expansion to work you have to work on the copy which is 
-currently running), open the control panel in ResEdit and cmd-A 
-to select all. Cut all and Paste. Select the DKHtm resource type 
-and delete it. Save your changes and you will have a version of 
-he AD control panel which is not internally compressed.

which has worked for me (I performed the same ResEdit-ing on
CopyDoubler and DiskDoubler 3.7.7 as well). GateKeeper is now 
happy. I haven't tried the AD Internal Compressor App. as yet.

I agree with the above posting that FGS's attitude with regards
to GK is ridiculous; their suggestion that one use some other
virus utility instead of GK completely misses the point that 
GK functions differently than virus hunters by monitoring for
suspicious/dangerous activities rather than for already-known
viruses. 


mike hurley   mgh3@po.cwru.edu
dept of mathematics
case western reserve univ. 44106-7058
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