From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Alex Odeh , again... (was Re: U.S. Aid)
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:45:10 GMT
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <dfs.702922328@ro> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:

# In <1992Apr10.131609.20345@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
# makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
 
# >	I see what you mean.  If the establishment in Israel would move to
# >put on trial those Arabs (I doubt any could be found, nor do I believe
# >they are in Israel) who were responsible for the Deir Yassin massacre,
# >they would be forced to admit the role of the Hagana and the Jewish
# >Agency in fostering the lie that the Irgun/Stern Gang caused a
# >massacre.

# It seems there are revisionists among Jews, also.

# It's obvious that at least a part of the reason for the Deir Yassin
# massacre was that the Irgun wanted to terrorize Arabs and gain a
# psychological advantage over them.

	This is what hapenned after the lie of Deir Yassin was spread.
The hagana won two ways.  One, they got Arabs to flee out of fear of
"another" Deir Yassin, and two, they got a PR advantage over their
main rivals with the lie.

# Even Begin has admitted this.

	Begin never admitted to any massacre.

# Most historians agree with this position.

	I could care less about what most historians agree about, since
most of the sources used here are lies.  Most historians probably
agree with Brendan MaCay on a lot of things, despite the fact that a
priori much of what he posts is the logical equivalent of 0/0 = -99.
Most historians are eventually going to agree with the BullshitCPU
folks for the same reasons that Brendan and others side with the
Arabs.

# I suspect that even the
# Israeli government would admit it.

	The Israeli government at one time did support this view. However,
in 1960 the Israeli foriegn office corrected themselves in a
publication called "Israel's struggle for Peace", and in a statement
called "Deir Yassin" which they published in 1969.  I have never seen
either of these, but Samuel Katz mentions them in his book
"Battleground: Fact and Fantasy in Palestine".

	Jordanian newspapers contain accounts from survivors that support
my view!

# I don't see why you're so obsessed with the matter.

	I am only obsessed because this was a lie orgainzed by Jews
against Jews which is now being used by both anti semites and those
who claim to be "pro" Jewish but opposed to Israel.

# One blight does
# not destroy the validity of Zionism; it just shows that Zionists can
# sometimes perform immoral acts during wartime.  That's no different
# from any other group of people.

	I agree.  However, there is a problem.  I am not comfortable with
some of the activities that are now being linked to Shamir when he ran
the Stern Gang.  Some I know to be true, obviously not all are.
However, I do not have time to check and research every incident
myself, so I will not believe any of these accusations that come from
those parroting the Deir Yassin lie unless I can verify them myself.
I mention Shamir here, but the same would go for charges against
Sharon, Rabin, et al.
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David Makowsky
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu