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From: wiebe@ut-emx.uucp (Anne Hill Wiebe)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Re: No Santa Claus ???
Summary: but there IS a tooth fairy, Mom!
Keywords: tooth fairy
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:54:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U. Texas Center for Space Research

Well, I'm trying not to promulgate Santa as anything but a
pretend story, but my 4 1/2 yo isn't so sure ... and I'm not
certain how far to take reality with her on this.  I can say,
well you know, honey, Santa is really just pretend; she gets
confused.  And if I push it, I'm afraid it will turn into a Big
Discovery, and I really don't want her announcing this new
discovery to every child at nursery school.  So I back off.

This morning, on the way to nursery school, we saw condensation
on the windshield, and I said, oh look, the dewdrop fairies have
left dewdrops on the car!  (dewdrop fairies from Fantasia) and
Elizabeth agreed, then said, doubtfully, "Are there really
dewdrop fairies?"  I said, "no, they're just pretend.  But the
dewdrops are real.  Fairies are just pretend, like witches."
and she said, energetically, "But the tooth fairy is real,
right?"  I said, "well, honey, no, the tooth fairy is pretend."
She looked EXTREMELY serious and said, "No, the tooth fairy
comes and takes your tooth out from under your pillow!"  She
looked so very concerned that I weakened; I said, "well, maybe
the tooth fairy is real.  I've never seen her."  She was excited
and said, "Yeah, she comes after you're asleep."  And we
conversed about the gifts of the tooth fairy, etc.  

I don't know.  I don't want to lie, but it seems to me Elizabeth
is determined to have this and it would be cruel to take it away
from her.  She has a fantastic imagination, loves to pretend.
She seems, regarding Santa Claus, to simultaneously know he's
pretend and that he's real.  I know at her age the boundary
between real and pretend is very hard to draw, but she in
general has been pretty clear about it, for example in regards
to her dinosaurs and what she's pretending to be.

So anyway, I guess I'm probably going to just NOT PUSH IT, let
her lead on what she wants to be "real", and not initiate the
conversation on these -- so I won't be contributing to it and so
lying to her.  Any comments?
-- 
Anne Hill Wiebe (anne@csrux1.ae.utexas.edu)  When in danger or in doubt,
(512) 471-5573, 450-1694                     run in circles,
Center for Space Research                    scream and shout.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Wine sauce
Keywords: pregnancy, food, wine
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:20:34 GMT

In article <Bw6041.9v6@apollo.hp.com> betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
>In article <1bhvuaINNf4h@news.aero.org> hancock@Aero.org (Melody F. Hancock) writes:
>>Oh No!  I hadn't even thought of this.  I was on a business
>>trip and had seafood in a white wine sauce.  I was in the
>>3rd month of pregnancy at the time.  Interesting enough, this
>>is one of my favorite dishes.  However, it didn't taste that
>>great so I only ate enough not to seem rude.  But I didn't 
>>even think of the wine!!!  So, now what?  I've already started
>>fantasizing birth defects!
>
>This sort of fear is why I think that the current hysteria about
>drinking and pregnancy has gotten out of hand.  
>

[Good points deleted ]

I think everyone is missing a big point. It is common for pregnant women to
worry about birth defects. I am in my second pregnancy, and avoided all the
bad things, as I did in my first pregnancy, and *I* still worry about 
birth defects. Melody has just found a focus for her worry. Everyone finds
one! Mine was that my dad he had a brother in a wheelchair, but I didnt know 
if it was hereditary or not (there was no one alive to ask). 

If it wasnt that little bit of alcohol, Melody would have to be a bit more
creative in finding something to worry about. MELODY: RELAX! it is natural!

Laura Floom


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Names not to use
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:54:21 GMT

Sometime ago I read somewhere that Mr. Lear (as in the maker
of jets) named his daughter Shander Lear.  My sister always
said she was going to name her son after our grandfather,
George.  However, she decided on another name after she
married as her married name is Custer.  So, I got to
use the name George.

Cathryn
cew@med.unc.edu

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup)
Subject: Re: "ear" thermometers
Organization: Motorola, Inc. Plantation, FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:18:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.132534.13166@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
> 
> 
> Re: "ear" thermometers
> 
> They sound great, and I'd like to get one.  In all my baby-stuff catalogs
> they are always $119.95, and it seems to be the same brand.
> 
> Questions:  Is there more than one brand?  Is one kind better than
> another?  Are they always $119.95 or does anyone know a cheaper source?
> I haven't seen them in stores, only in catalogs, any stores offer
> them (or are cheaper?).  I haven't checked medical supply stores yet,
> but there's 2 by me I should check.
> 
> Thanks...
> 
> Christine

So far I've only heard of one brand - Thermoscan. I looked and looked
in my area and couldn't find a distributor for it, then I asked my
family doctor who gave me the name of a nearby pharmacy that carried it.
So, you might ask your pediatrician or family doctor where they got theirs!
Be careful, though, to ask for the home version, there is a "professional"
version that is about three times the price. According to my doctor, they
are identical except that the home version is warranted for about 10,000
readings while the professional model lasts longer. Something about the
"circuit" inside wearing out. I figured that 10,000 readings would last me
through my child-rearing phase anyway! I paid $109.95 and that was the
cheapest I've seen. (I love mine so far, much better than the alternatives!)

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| Mary Beth Northrup                    "In the house and on the street .. |
| (mommy to Sean, 15 mo.)																	how many, many feet you meet!"   |
| EMN002@email.mot.com                                   ---  Dr. Seuss    |
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From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Aggression in boys (Was: Re: BARBIE
Date: 12 Oct 1992 21:15:50 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
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Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <TVHHsB1w165w@depsych.Gwinnett.COM>, rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson) writes:
|> lgsax@igc.apc.org (Lynn Gazis-Sax) writes:
|> 
|> > 
|> > Girls *do* get attacked on school playgrounds often
|> > enough.  I personally was attacked from first through
|> > eighth grade...
|> 
|> Are you sure your memory is accurate on this?  My impression was
|> that anybody who fought back wasn't bothered again.  Did two or
|> more heavier girls  repeatedly attack you in the schoolyard, get
|> hit back every time they hit you, and keep coming back?
|> 
|> Is it possible that either you didn't hit very hard or that you
|> were doing something that made them dislike you.

Several boys in particular, fortunately only one at a time, kept coming 
back and hitting me. Fortunately they wasn't big enough to hurt me badly 
before the teachers interfered each time. I always hit back, in the face, 
but I wasn't any great fighter. What was I doing to make them dislike me? 
Not being as dumb as they thought I should be. (I can assure you that 
it *wasn't* their way of saying they liked me.)

I expect you (Richard Carlson) didn't mean it that way, but your comment 
came out sounding pretty offensive to me. You mean it was her *fault* she 
got beaten up on so much? That's what it sounds like.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:04:48 GMT
Subject: Re: What happened to Barney?
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

>Uhmm, interesting.  Can you tell us why you don't like Barney?

I agree that Barney is good entertainment for my kids; I have no
objection to them watching it.  My point was that *I* hate to watch it.
I can't stand watching those kids with smiles plastered on their faces 
and lip-synching.  They're a big bunch of hams.  So, unlike Sesame Street, 
which I can stand to watch with my kids and sometimes I find it 
entertaining, I would typically leave the room when Barney comes on.

Jane Marcus
jane@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids,talk.politics.guns
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:01:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.181743.9597@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>
>(Why should unsecured waterfront property be considered differently
>from unsecured swimming pools?)
>

Well, at least in California, there IS no waterfront property.  All property
lines end X feet (I think it's 5 but I'm not sure) from the high tide mark.
Plus there must be public access to the beach every X yards (here I think it 
is 100 but again, I'm not sure).  

You see, it is ILLEGAL to secure waterfront property whereas it is ILLEGAL
to NOT secure swimming pools.  

I would assume, then, that if someone washed up drowned on your private beach
you would not be held liable, but is someone drowned in your pool you would
be.  If you think about it, this makes inifinite sense.  After all, the person
could drown in Malibu and wash up on Venice Beach, or vice versa.



-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:44:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Parental Responsibility  (Was:  Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

  As a side note, I remember having a pool party when I was in third grade.
The people had an outdoor pool with two large metal shades, like:



			---+---	       ---+---
			   |              |
			   |              |
			---+--		--+---
			      |________|
			        (Pool)

		(looking lengthwise down the pool)

  When the pool was not being used, sub-concrete motors would pivot the
poles, and the metal shades would be moved down to cover the pool.  I
presume they were strong enough to support a child's weight, but I didn't
try it.  I imagine such a set-up would be quite expensive, but it's also
pretty neat.

			---+==============+---
			      |________|
			        (Pool)

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: Re: RE: No Santa
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 18:53:26 GMT

I think its wonderful of you all not to tell your kids about Santa or that 
Santa is pretend.  However, I have a problem.  I'm one of those parents who 
told my daughter the Santa lie.  She's now 9 years old and refuses to give 
him up.  It's my fault because a couple of years ago she asked me if I 
believed in Santa and I said "yes".  I realize now that that was the time 
to tell her the truth, but I blew it.  Go ahead flame me for lying, I 
deserve it.  Also she had told me around the same time that a boy named Jack 
didn't believe in Santa and I replied "Well Santa probably doesn't believe 
in Jack".  Now I would like her to stop believing without me having to tell 
her.  So I asked her the other day if she really believed in Santa Claus.  
She told me yes, just because her friends don't doesn't mean she can't.  
Anybody have any suggestions?  Should I just go ahead and tell her I lied 
and there isn't a Santa?  Should I let her keep believing until she's ready 
to give him up?  Or, do you think she really doesn't believe, but is afraid 
of getting less presents by admitting it?

Signed,

TIRED OF BEING SANTA 
-----
holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lcheap@cac.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap )
Subject: Re: What's an NST?
Keywords: test done in pregnancy
Organization: UW Computing
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:38:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.201935.27028@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
>I've seen this a couple times and don't know what it is:  an NST.
>It's a test of some sort, done on pregnant women or fetuses late
>in pregnancy I gather (?).  What is it?

As I'm sure others will tell you, this is a Non Stress Test.  It's
done to check on the baby's condition.  I had 2 NSTs done after my
due date.  An external monitor was placed on my abdomen to measure
the baby's heart rate.  The data from the monitor was printed on a
continuous sheet of graph paper coming out of the machine.  I was
also given a little hand-held button to press every time I felt the
baby move.  Pressing the button caused a little arrow to be printed
on the graph paper.  The doctor then compared the baby's heart rate
over time with its movements.  Whenever the baby moved (arrow on the
graph) the heart rate would go up (peak on the heart rate line).  
This indicated that everything was OK.

Overall, nothing to be 'stressed' about. :) :)

BTW, be sure to ask for a copy of the printout as a souvenir!

-Laurel
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Information Systems    Seattle, Washington  USA   a.k.a. Brendan's mommy
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Xref: sparky misc.kids:25386 soc.singles:27144
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 7 Oct 1992 15:59:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Oct7.130304.19446@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>In article <1at09jINN8m9@network.ucsd.edu> dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:
>>Recently, at a playground, my son was pushed by a kid twice his
>>age and size.  He wasn't hurt, but he was scared out of his wits.  When 
>>I finally found the older boy's father (reading a newspaper about 20
>>yards away from the playhouse), he responded to my request to
>>supervise his kid more carefully with "Hey, boys push.  Your son
>>should just push back."  I told him in no uncertain terms that
>>*even* if I bought into such stupidity, it wouldn't be a fair fight,
>>since his son was so much bigger.  (By the time I was done arguing
>>with this guy, I was ready to punch his lights out, but I didn't,
>>realizing that this was not the behavior I wanted to model for
>>Dylan.)
>>
>>It doesn't help parents like me who are trying to raise our sons to
>>be prosocial rather than aggressive, to run up against people like
>>that father at the playground.  But, to anticipate any other such
>>macho types out there, such a childrearing goal does not mean that
>>my son will not be able to assert himself.  Just as I would
>>want a daughter to be self-assertive but not violent, I expect the
>>same level of civilized behavior from my son.
> 
> Diane, idealism is all fine and good BUT it fades fast when
>the other elementary school kids find out your kid won't fight back.
>He's going to encounter confrontations ten fold.
> At some point a man has to do what a man has to do.
> Eventually your son will being fighting for his slice of the pie
>in life and you are not going to be there.

I guess you qualify for one of those "macho" types I was talking
about.  It's views like yours that will perpetuate the stereotypes
that keep our society from moving ahead.  I did not say anything
about not allowing my son to fight back if it's truly a question of
self-defense (which in too many cases, it just isn't).  But, there
are different ways of fighting back, and not all involve violence.
And what does "At some point a man has to do what a man has to do"
have to do with *children*?  Perhaps you should watch a few less 
Seagal/Stallone/Schwarzennegger movies :-)
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 22 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kvt@willow.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:54:02 GMT

My OB/GYN is named Dr. Nudeson.
Xref: sparky misc.kids:25496 soc.singles:27234
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Playground machismo
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:08:55 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1+hpfy#@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:

>When I have kids, I'm planning on teaching them to avoid physical confrontations
>at all costs- but also on giving them the tools (a martial arts or boxing
>class or something like that) to defend themselves properly if necessary. 

Makes sense.

My brother had one very bad year in elementary school, when a group of
boys would get together and beat him up almost daily.  He didn't want to
tell my parents or the school for fear of looking like a "sissy."  He
fought back, all right, but what can you do when the odds are 6 to 1? 
Eventually, he did tell our parents.  Our parents told the ringleader's
parents.  The ringleader's parents beat him black and blue, literally
(guess that's where he got it in the first place), and he came over to
apologize.  

There were no problems after that, and some of the other boys ended up
becoming friends with my brother later on.  

Whoever said childhood was idyllic was in major denial.



-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
From: vicki@mathcs.emory.edu (Vicki Powers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Midwife info/Food and Fluids in Labour
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:55:56 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS

In article <92281.133921CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>, CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes) writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.170406.957@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>,
> sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) says:
> >
> >How about it, anyone get hungry during labour?   Now, AFTERWARDS I was
> >ravenous and the cafeteria was closed...
> >
> Advice to moms-to-be:  Bring some snacks for after delivery, even if it
>  is the middle of the day, you may not be able to get something to eat,
> or something you want to eat, for awhile.
> 
This is good advice, we brought lots of food with us.  The only problem
was that my husband ate it all during my thirtysomething hour labor.  One
of my first thoughts after my daughter was born was "boy am I hungry!".
So we had a good friend bring us takeout from our favorite restaurant.
(My daughter was born late afternoon, luckily.)  I think that was the best
tasting food I ever ate.  By the end of my pregnancy I was convinced my
stomach and bladder would never recover, but they reverted to normal 
the minute my daughter was born!  (Something the currently pregnant can
look forward to!)

  Vicki

-- 
Vicki  Powers       |  When a student reads in a math book that there are no
Emory University    |  absolutes, suddenly every value he's been taught is
Dept of Math and CS |  destroyed.  And the next thing you know, the student
Atlanta, GA 30322   |  turns to crime and drugs. - Mel Gabler
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: amy@hubcap.clemson.edu (Amy Slankard)
Subject: Re: Odd Sayings...
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:51:52 GMT

geiser@netrix.nac.dec.com (Maryann Geiser) writes:


>I've been collecting some of my daughter's gems lately (she's 3 years old).
>The two that I like best are:

>(from the bathroom) Daddy, I made poopie!  Send Mommie in!

>(I guess I'm honored)

My daughter is a few weeks short of three years old and one of her
newly developed traits is the ability to keep up a constant stream
of talk, so much so that I'll admit that sometimes I tune her out
when I am trying to concentrate on something.  One evening she was
in the bathroom and I was standing outside the door (trying to 
instill the concept of privacy in the bathroom more for our sake
than hers) and my husband was in the next room.  I had tuned her
out so didn't acknowledge her "Mommy wipe me!" so after a while
she said "Daddy wipe me!".  He didn't respond because he knew 
I was right outside the door.  Finally she wailed very loudly 
"Somebody wiiiiiiipe me!".
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Thrush
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:45:59 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>Well, I'm still a super-mom-cow, but Jordan (was three months old
>yesterday) and I seem to have developed thrush.  I suspect the
>antibiotics I took for a sinus infection 2 weeks ago is the culprit.

>2) is Jordan's "fussy" nursing related?
I can't comment on thrush, since I have never had it.  The fussy nursing
may be related.  If you will recall, Carrie went through a fussy nursing
period following an ear infection.  Other possibilities to consider:
- teething.  It is early, but possible.  (Carrie got two teeth at three
months!)
- lazy because he's not feeling terrific.  I know Jordan gets a bottle
during the day. Some babies find the bottle easier, and when they aren't
feeling well want to get their milk the easy way.

In either case perseverance is the only answer.  I think Carrie's problem
was partially her ears, and partially laziness.  I went back to nursing
her full time on weekends (she had been getting bottles on the same
schedule as during the week), and our problem has cleared up.  Good
luck to you!

(of course,
>we could keep this all posted, and at least we'd have some non-flames
>to read :-)

Agreed!
>BTW, Jordan's weight was 15lbs, 14oz--what a mega-baby!!!

Wow - he's got Carrie beat.  Her four month check was last week, and
she is only 14 pounds!

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2 1/4 years, and Carrie, 4 months
Newsgroups: misc.kids