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From: edwardsr@milton.u.washington.edu (Richard Edwards)
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Subject: Re: after hours
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:48:27 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In my opinion, our student workers are neither trained nor paid to be the responsible staff for the entire library. That's a staff responsibility and I'd be sure we have staff members all the time (but of course during these days of budget cuts using student workers seems so appealing, of course that arguement could be used to replace all staff if you're not concerned about their level of traiing and responsibility).

Campus security folks should be called in if there's a real security problems.

Richard A. Edwards
Circulation Supervisor
Evergreen State College
Olympia, WA 
edwardsr@u.washington.edu
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Date:         Mon, 20 Jul 1992 09:21:30 EST
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From:         WELDRED@UVMVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: CONFIDENTIALITY OF CIRCULATION RECORDS

Revealing the identity of the current borrower of an item has practical
as well as legal ramifications.  Any procedures which encourage the transfer
of materials from one patron directly to another compromise the accuracy
of circulation records.  Who is then responsible for the book?  How do you
recall for another patron?  To whom do you send overdue notices and who pays
late charges - the first borrower or the unknown and unidentified second
borrower.  Such a procedure would undermine the ability of the library to deal
equitably and fairly with all of their patrons and place their collections
at risk.
Oh well, maybe within the smallest communities of library users....
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:49:08 EDT
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From:         LEWIS@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      REPLY TOP AFTER HOURS

My top coworker used to be head of circ at a large pub[D[D[Dxxx library.  She
says the library would not have only one person in the entire library.
Even h[Dx when she was a student in a library on slow Friday nights, she
would be the only person at the circ desk and there would be a person in the per
periodicals department.  Two people in the whole library.  Her famous words
are libraries attrack perverts.

I don't think that I would like to be the only person of official capacity
in the entire library.  A professional staff person should be there for the
sake of irate patrons.  It would be unfair to put a student who isn't
paid well out at a circ desk to take all the flack.

(excuse the typos and misspellings)

Julia Lewis
Lewis@morekypr
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From:         Michael John Petterson <mike_p@CHESHIRE.OXY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: student workers
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> Has anyone ever noticed that financially independent students, those not
 support
> ed by parents or anyone, whether US citizen or foreign are better workers.

No.


Michael J. Petterson     |"Listen, a sower went out to sow..."
mike_p@cheshire.oxy.edu  |                 -Jesus
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From:         Molly Drahn <MDRAHN@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Student assistants

Laurie:
I have gotten an amazing array of responses from workstudy interviewees
when I ask how their work is different when there is no supervisor
on duty.  Answers to this question tell a great deal about a  student's
concept of responsilbility, independence and general work ethic.

I also allow potential employees to steer themselves away from library
work before the interview if the work does not suit their ideas of
a campus job by handing out a detailled job description along with
the application.  Some people see the requirements of the mobjob and
feel completely comfortable.  Some would rather look elsewhere for work.

Molly Drahn
Access Services Manager
Architecture and Allied Arts Library
University of Oregon
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Subject:      student workers

Has anyone ever noticed that financially independent students, those not support
ed by parents or anyone, whether US citizen or foreign are better workers.
What I mean is that it seems the student who is supporting him/herself by workin
g on campus usually is more reliable, dependable and willing to work longer hour
s.

Mary R-H
of UBalt Law
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From:         "Kay Vyhnanek, Head, Circ and ILL,
              Washington State University" <VYHNANEK@WSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RESERVES AND COPYRIGHT

We are struggling to find a practical way to deal with reserves in relation to
the copyright law and in light of recent litigation.  We would like not to
have to review each and every item turned in for reserve to see if it complies
with the tests of portion of the whole, effect on market, etc.
If anyone is willing to talk with me about how they are coping, I would
appreciate a note and a phone number.
Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

Kay Vyhnanek
Head, Circulation and Interlibrary Loans
Washington State University
Pullman, WA  99164-5610
(509) 335-9671
BITNET:  VYHNANEK@WSUVM1
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:04:35 EDT
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From:         EASLMJRH@UBE.BITNET
Subject:      RE: The weather!

Hey,
        You should all be greatful for the cooler, rainy summer. Here in MD
in the past we've had very hot, humid summers and those of us like my 12 year ol
d son and myself welcome the cool damp weather. When you are asthmatic the
extreme heat and humidity can be life threatening. Also, I'm sure the farmers
in my state are enjoying what you call bad weather.

        Don't get me wrong I love sunshine just as much as anyone but I can
appreciate rain better than most people. Think of rain as a necessary and pleasa
nt experience, we all benefit from it in the long run.

Mary R-H
UBalt Law

P.S. Has anyone considered how many draughts the US has been through this centur
y. I think it may be somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 major ones and several
in individual states. In MD I can think of about 6 just since 1980.
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Date:         Mon, 20 Jul 1992 08:32:00 MST
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From:         SEAMAN_SH@GOLD.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Corporate borrower cards
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The University of Colorado at Boulder is considering establishing a corporate
borrower card.  For those that have these already, what kind of privileges
corporate borrowers are given.  Specifically, I'm looking for information on
fine structure.  Are they fined at a special rate?  Feel free to reply directy
to me at: SEAMAN_SH@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU

I will summarize the responses for the list if there are enough replies.

Scott Seaman
University of Colorado, Boulder
Head, Access Services
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:03:01 EDT
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From:         Mary Kay Ball <R1MKB@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Getting ready for fall

I have a "general" question mostly for those of us working in an academic
library or a library where patron population "increases" come fall--because
of school,projects, etc.

Besides shelf reading and training new student assistants, what steps are taken
to get ready for "new groups" of patrons or patrons new to your library???

We are in a small academic law library and the new students receive a tour and
a brief orientation. We find ourselves demonstrating the photocopy machines and
showing new patrons around quite a bit in the first few weeks of fall....

So, I guess my question involves many things:  Does anyone have an orientation
booklet? Do you give extra tours??? Do you have demonstration periods for
photocopy machines and CD Roms???

We, like everyone else is operating on a limited budget with staff shortages...
so we can't spend a lot of money and use up staff time to give a lot of tours,
etc., but I am interested in what you all (ya'all) do.
Feel free to respond to me directly or thru the list.....thanks!!!
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Mary Kay Ball/ U of Akron Law Library   R1mkb@akronvm.bitnet
Akron, Ohio 44325
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FYI: The All-American Soap Box Derby is August 8th!!!
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From:         MBIDDLE@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU
Subject:      Re: on?
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At Wesleyan University we shelve the periodicals by LC call number however
I would recommend that they be shelved separately, not only for the reason
which you list but also because of access.  Access is becoming increasingly
complex, paper index, cd-rom indexes, current contents listings (where you
don't even have the materials but will be using document delivery services
of many different types, consortial arrangements, periodical indexes and
abstracts on the OPAC.  There are quite a few differnt citation systems being
used. Well the user needs help.  What
better place to get help than in a separate periodicals facility with well
trained staff.  Would be great to have periodicals on microfilm there too.

Michaelle Biddle
MBiddle@Eagle.Wesleyan.edu
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From:         "Kristine Brancolini, 812/855-3710" <BRANCOLI@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: RESERVES AND COPYRIGHT

I heard about the conference with participants from ARL libraries and
their respective booksstores.  The IU Libraries are planning to participate
in the pilot project once it gets offf the ground, but I haven't heard
what happened at the Oberlin conference.  The idea is to scan in articles
and make them available in customized readers in the bookstore.  Given the
complexities of the Memex system being used at San Diego State, I can't
imagine how the ARL/NACS project is going to be up by fall, which is the
date I saw on the preliminary information from ARL.  I'm very interested
in both the San Diego State experience and the ARL/NACS project; I just hope
they complement one another.  If anyone on the listserv attended the
Oberlin conference, I would love to hear what happened!

Kristine Brancolini
Head, Media and Reserve Services
Indiana University Libraries
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From:         wilson@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG
Subject:      Re: Student Assistants
X-To:         CIRCPLUS%IDBSU.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU

May I please have a copy also of your information on student assistants
Thank you
Franceen Wilson
The George T. Harrell Library
Milton S. Hershey Medical Center
Hershey Pa 17033
Fax 717-531-8635
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From:         "NAME JANET PATTERSON, RESERVE LIBRARY,
              UWEC" <PATTERJL@CNSVAX.UWEC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Student assistants

Laurie,
I ask student applicants "Do you consider yourself a responsible person?
and why do you feel that way?"  I get some surprising answers, and I have
found that people who answer this question with confidence usually turn
out rather well.  In my interview I strongly stress why I consider
a sense of responsibility an important    prerequisite for the job.

Janet Patterson
McIntyre Library
University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire
PATTERJL@UWEC.EDU
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From:         WELDRED@UVMVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Date/time machines for Reserves

Time clocks, of the sort used for employees punching in and out of work, are
entirely suitable for stamping dates and times for Reserve circulation
purposes.  Either the time charged or the time an item is due can be used.
Simplex is a well known vendor of such clocks although the Stromberg clocks
we used before purchasing our current Simplex clocks were somewhat sturdier.
They do not like the abuse of stamping times over staples.  Otherwise they hold
up very well.  We also use the same kind of clock for keeping track of our
student employee hours.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:04:28 -0400
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From:         "Lynda S. White" <lsw6y@POE.ACC.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: lists for gardeners
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There's one for Virginia.  I just found out about it the other
day and have not had a chance to sign on yet, so I can't vouch
for it.  Send the message SUBSCRIBE HORT-L Your Name to
LISTSERV@VTVM1 (Bitnet) or LISTSERV@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Internet).

Lynda White
Public Services and Slides
Fine Arts Library
University of Virginia
lsw6y@Virginia.EDU
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From:         WEST%XAVIER.BitNet@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU
Subject:      STUDENT ASSISTANTS
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        We use a point violation system. When the students are hired, they
receive a document that lists possible violations and the number of points
which are given for each. (ie:  Missing assigned shift - 8 pts., Excessive
socializing while on duty - 6 pts., late for duty - 4 pts, etc.)  Included
is a list of valid and invalid excuses for missing work, and there are a few
more ambiguous violations, such as "failure to perform job as prescribed"
and "deliberately disobeying a supervisor."  Therefore, we have a certain
amount of flexibility in how we use the system.

        Each time a student is given points, they receive a notification. A
copy of it goes into their employment file.  After 8 points, they are
placed on probation;  after 12 they are fired.

        This system seems to work well because the students are made aware
of our expectations, and of what they are accountable for.  It also provides
documentation of problematic behavior.

        Generally, bad student employees "point themselves to death", as we
like to say.

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From:         "Kay Vyhnanek, Head, Circ and ILL,
              Washington State University" <VYHNANEK@WSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: after hours
              27 Jul 1992 10:42:39 EDT from <CXSN@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>

Here at WSU, during the fall and spring semesters, we are open approximately
16 hours a day (until midnight) Sunday through Thursday.  Some of the late
night hours (10:30pm to midnight) are covered by one circulation staff member
with three or four student assistants.  Depending on staffing levels,
vacations, etc., some evenings are covered by what we call Staff Assistants.
These are students who have been working for us at least a year and who are
willing to take on the extra responsibility of the task for the grand
additional salary of $.40/hour.  The staff member or staff assistant is
responsible for the security of the library once the reference librarians
leave.  We have back up in case of emergency from what is called the campus
troubleshooter and/or the campus police if the situation warrants.  During
the 7 years I have been in charge of the unit we have maintained an effective
level of security (unless you want to count being ripped off by Steven
Blumberg, but that's a whole other story!)

Kay Vyhnanek
Washington State University
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From:         Nancy Orth <LIBADM6@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Student Assistants
              29 Jul 1992 15:04:29 PST from <calwhitw@CCMAIL.ORS T.EDU>

May I also have a copy of your material on student assistants?  Thank you.

Nancy M. Orth                     BITNET: LIBADM6@UCONNVM
Head, Circulation/Reserve         FAX:    (203) 486-3593
Homer Babbidge Library            VOICE:  (203) 486-3990
University of Connecticut
Storrs, CT 06269-0005
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From:         MBIDDLE@WESLEYAN.BITNET
Subject:      label holders

Good label holders that can be attached to the edge of shelves, a card with
title of serial or message easily inserted and changed.
Cel-U-Dex Hol-Dex Label holders.  Come in several sizes 3/4" x 6" size appropria
   te
for the edge of standard library shelving.  Cost for a box of 12 is $9.65
list.  They are avialable from any major office supply service or catalog.

We've used these label holders for 6 years now.  Out of several thousand
in use 3 have been torn off the edge of the shelf.

Michaelle Biddle
Wesleyan University
MBiddle@Eagle.Wesleyan.edu
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From:         Tony New <NEW@LIBRARY.UTA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Corporate borrower cards
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> The University of Colorado at Boulder is considering establishing a
> corporate
> borrower card.  For those that have these already, what kind of privileges
> corporate borrowers are given.  Specifically, I'm looking for information on
> fine structure.  Are they fined at a special rate?  Feel free to reply directy
> to me at: SEAMAN_SH@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU


We here at UTA have a corporate & a business card.  Corporate costs
$100 a year and 5 cards are issued.  Internal control of the cards is
up to the company.  The company is responsible for the materials and
they are fined at our normal rates.  A business card is a single
card intended for smaller businesses and is $25 per year.  Both are
considered tax deductable contributions to a non-profit organization.
(same fine structure)

Both are allowed to have 5 items, normal circulating materials only,
checked out at a time for a 21 day period with one renewal permitted,
if no hold is placed on the materials by another patron.

Some sort of ID linking the individual requesting the card(s) to the
company is required.




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Tony New
Central Reserves, Circulation
Univ. of Texas @ Arlington Library
Box 19497
Arlington, TX   76019-0497
NEW@LIBRARY.UTA.EDU
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From:         "Bobby R. Hickey" <BRHICK01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      The weather!

Library Assistant I Serials/Kersey
Phone: 588-0180
YES. I am. It's been that way here in Louisville this month also. June
was fairly comfortable, but July has either been rainy and stormy or
extremely hot and humid, I'm glad it's almost over. See ya, Bobby.
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From:         Valerie Rom-Hawkins <ECZ5STX@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject: (COPY) Re: (COPY) Detection systems: gateless, and magnetic

> Subject:      Detection systems:  gateless, and magnetic media
>
>
> 1.  Any libraries have a gate-less detection system?  If so, any
> problems stopping patrons, or at least, the correct patron?  How
> far away from the exit field is the service desk, and do you just
> holler at the line of exiting patrons when the alarm sounds???
>
>
>
 The Research Library at UCLA, which is the largest unit on
campus, uses the new gateless detection system. It is sometimes
hard to tell who has set off the alarm, since people enter and
exit through the same gate.  We have a student who sits out by
the door who watches the gates, because when the alarm sounds,
we ask everyone to stop and then try to figure out who or what did it.

Personally, I prefer the old system with the gate that locked up.
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