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From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: sci.classics
Subject: Latin compendium
Summary: crosspost
Keywords: Esoteric jokes (mildly)
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:52:13 GMT
Reply-To: mlw@bnr.co.uk
Followup-To: sci.classics
X-From: mlw@bnr.co.uk (Malcolm Wallace)
X-Newsgroups: eunet.jokes

I have taken the dreadful liberty of cross-posting this from eunet.jokes so
that those of you not in Europe can enjoy it.

Any comments should go to Malcolm, not to me. The reply-to address /ought/ to
work.

Stephen 

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A few Latin jokes for those with a classical education;

A man walks into a restaurant and sits down for his meal. The waiter comes and
takes his food order. The waiter then says, "Would you like to order some wine
with your meal?" "Yes please", says the man. "Mmmmm, some Hock I think. Hic,
haec, hoc". After some time the man complains that he has not received his
wine. The waiter replies, "Yes sir, you did order some wine but then you
declined it!"

A man walks into a bar. He says to the barman, "Could I have a martinis
please". The barman replies, "Surely you mean a martini Sir". The man replies,
"If I had wanted a double I would have asked for it!"

If the eighth daughter in a family is called Octavia, what is the fourth
called?

Answer: Ivy.

Apologies for the last one.

Regards,
        Malc.

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Newsgroups: sci.classics
From: ibacon@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Ian Bacon)
Subject: Ptolemy Claudius - sources ?
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:28:12 GMT

I am producing a paper for a seminar which marginally touches upon
Ptolemy the astronomer. I am unable to find any serious work on him at
my University Library. What I particularily want to know is - how good
are our copies of his work. I have been told that much was passed to us
via Arabic. Is this true.

Any help appreciated.
Newsgroups: sci.classics
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Monty Python's Latin lesson from Life of Brian
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:40:10 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group
Keywords: Monty Python life of Brian

In article <Brs35E.In9@acsu.buffalo.edu> dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Padraig) writes:
[deletion]
>
>I haven't seen a script of this, but  I must say that during my first 
>semester of latin the instructor had us view the scene and then showed us
>what was happening on the chalkboard...It is easy to memorise, since it is
>made up of VERY common mistakes for students of Latin.
>
>Plus it is good for the threat of having your balls cut off if you don't do
>your homework!  :)
>

May we assume then that you went to an all-boys school?

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Only the mediocre can always be at their best." -- Mencken
For an average time write uunet!microsoft!frankm
For an even more mediocre time try frankm@microsoft.com
From: dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Padraig)
Newsgroups: sci.classics
Subject: Re: Monty Python's Latin lesson from Life of Brian
Keywords: Monty Python life of Brian
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:53:37 GMT
Organization: UB

ibacon@seamis1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ian Bacon) writes:

>I've been told that someone recently posted the script to the Latin lesson
>from Monty Python's Life of Brian to this newsgroup. I could really use a
>copy of this, for my son's best friend, who is just back from three weeks of
>Latin Summer Camp. 
>Could the original poster please send me a copy? Thanks!

I haven't seen a script of this, but  I must say that during my first 
semester of latin the instructor had us view the scene and then showed us
what was happening on the chalkboard...It is easy to memorise, since it is
made up of VERY common mistakes for students of Latin.

Plus it is good for the threat of having your balls cut off if you don't do
your homework!  :)

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Newsgroups: sci.classics
From: ogil@quads.uchicago.edu (Brian W. Ogilvie)
Subject: Re: Quid est "tio"?
Keywords: Latin
Reply-To: ogil@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Morris Fishbein Center for the History of Science and Medicine
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:18:01 GMT

In article <158ar1INN4s7@agate.berkeley.edu> turrell@violet.berkeley.edu (David Turrell) writes:
>    The Lord is my light and my salvation;
>        Whom shall I fear?
>    The Lord is the strength of my life;
>        Of whom shall I be afraid?
>
>Does someone want to give the Latin version, or make another
>suggestion as to the motto's origin?

From the Vulgate (Colunga-Turrado edition), Psalmus 26 (27):

	Dominus illuminatio mea et salus mea; quem timebo?
	Dominus protector vitae meae; a quo trepidabo?

The new Latin version of the Institutus Biblicus, approved by Pius XII
in 1945, substitutes "lux" for "illuminatio" and "praesidium" for
"protector."  But that's nothing compared to what they did to other
psalms.  For example, the 27th (28th) Psalm, which begins in the
Vulgate as follows:

	Ad te, Domine, clamabo; Deus meus, ne sileas a me:
	Ne quando taceas a me, et assimilabor descendentibus in lacum.

begins in the new version:

	Ad te, Domine, clamo:
	Petra mea, ne surdus fueris mihi,
	Ne, si non audieris me, similis fiam
	Descendentibus in foveam.

Does anyone know what the purpose of the new version was?  Is it just
a matter of correcting the translation (which has never bothered the
Catholic church before), or is there a solid doctrinal reason for the
revision?
-- 
Brian W. Ogilvie           DISCLAIMER: You think I have time to
b-ogilvie@uchicago.edu       think about everything I post?
Newsgroups: sci.classics
From: ggrieve@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (greig.grieve)
Subject: Pliny's sources
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:42:11 GMT
Keywords: goby, quinquireme, tall story

  "Yet even though all these forces [sea, winds, whirlwinds, storms, tides,
   sails,  oars] may drive in the same direction,  they are checked by a
   single goby,  a very small creature.  Gales may blow and storms rage
   but this fish controls their fury,  restrains their tremendous force,
   and compels the ship to stop - a thing unachievable either by hawsers
   or even by dropped anchors, which cannot be drawn back because of their
   weight.  The goby holds off their attacks and tames the fury of the
   universe with no effort or resistance of its own other than suction.
   This diminutive fish is strong enough - against all those forces - to
   prevent vessels from moving. War fleets carry towers on their decks so
   that men may fight as if from city walls even when at sea. How pathetic
   men are,  when one considers that those rams,  equipped with bronze and
   iron for striking, can be held fast by a little fish some 2 inches long.
   It is said that at the battle of Actium this fish brought Anthony's
   flagship to a halt when he was touring his fleet to encourage his men -
   until,  that is, he changed his ship for another.  For this reason
   Octavian's fleet straight away made a more concerted attack. Within
   living memory a goby stopped the Emperor Gaius' ship on his voyage back
   from Astura to Actium.

   In the event this little fish proved to be an omen, for very soon after
   Gaius' return to Rome he was struck down by his own men. His delay
   occasioned surprise only for a little while,  since the cause was
   immediately discovered. As his quinquireme alone of all the ships in
   the fleet was not making headway, men immediately dived overboard and
   swam round the ship to ascertain the cause. They found a goby attached
   to the rudder and showed it to Gaius who was furious that such a thing
   had held him back and prevented 400 rowers from obeying his orders.

   Accounts agree that what particularly annoyed him was that the fish
   had stopped him by attaching itself to the outside of the ship, yet
   did not have the same power when brought inside. Those who saw the
   goby then,  or subsequently,  say that it looked like a large slug."

   [ Natural History, book XXXII 2 -4 ]

How reliable is Pliny's source, and should this be cross-posted to alt.aquaria?
From: turrell@violet.berkeley.edu (David Turrell)
Newsgroups: sci.classics
Subject: Re: Ptolemy Claudius - sources ?
Date: 25 Jul 1992 08:07:06 GMT
Organization: Cobol Pacific University
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

I haven't heard of any difficulties with the texts of Ptolemy's works,
such as those that beset students of Plato somewhat, and Aristotle
especially. While I'm not an expert on the translations, I can guess
that because of its mathematical nature, because it doesn't deal with
the emotionally satisfying speculation of Greek physics but instead
with the exact measurements of Greek astronomy, a work such as the
Almagest is more easily translated with confidence.

The first Latin translation of Ptolemy's Almagest, or "He:
Mathe:matike: Suntaxis" ("The Mathematical Collection", a.k.a.
"Syntaxis"), his most important work by far, was from Arabic by Gerard
of Cremona in 1175. George of Trebizond translated it from Greek to
Latin in 1451.

The monicker Almagest comes from the Arabic "al-majisti", meaning "the
greatest" [composition], which the Arabic translators adapted from the
Greek superlative "megiste:". The Greeks had begun referring to
Ptolemy's great work as "Megale: Suntaxis" (Great Collection, or
Composition) and "Ho Megas Astronomos" (The Great Astronomer) to
distinguish it from another "Syntaxis" containing astronomical works
by Autolycus, Euclid, Aristarchus, Theodosius, Hypsicles and Menelaus.

-David
From: maj@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: sci.classics
Subject: Iconoclasm
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:06:09 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

I like to think of myself as an iconoclast when I drag a Mac icon
into the trash.

What would be a suitable new name for the trash icon to reflect
this ?
-- 
Murray A. Jorgensen [ maj@waikato.ac.nz ]    University of Waikato
Department of Mathematics and Statistics     Hamilton, New Zealand      
__________________________________________________________________
'Tis the song of the Jubjub! the proof is complete,
if only I've stated it thrice.'
Newsgroups: sci.classics
From: phrrngtn@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Paul J. J. Harrington)
Subject: Looking for translation of a simple phrase
Summary: What is the Latin for "Who will debug the debuggers"
Keywords: Latin
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:52:19 GMT


Hello,
I would like a latin translation for "Who will debug the debuggers".
along the lines of, and please excuse the spelling, "qui custodat
custodes" or whatever is the _real_ translation of "who will guard the
guardians"

qui debugat debuges ? :-)

pjjH
-- 

Paul Harrington, phrrngtn@dsg.cs.tcd.ie, phrrngtn@tcdcs.UUCP tel:+353 1 7021445
Dept. Computer Sci., Trinity College, University of Dublin, Dublin 2, Ireland.

Newsgroups: sci.energy,sci.environment
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Subject: Re: Power CoGeneration     ...  Lets start over.
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:24:42 GMT

In article <28161@goofy.Apple.COM>, ems@Apple.COM (Mike Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Jul9.213545.20391@cco.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>>In article <1992Jul9.044437.4948@adobe.com>, pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>>>So you think you can make power for less money than the electric
>>>utility. What's your secret?
>>	1)  He doesn't have to meet the reliability constraints that the power
>>	    company does (please note that he said he needs the grid).
>>	2)  I don't recall him telling us at what rate he's amortizing his
>>	    investment;
>>	3)  He doesn't have to pay for maintenance on miles and miles of wires
>>	    and telephone poles.
>
>He also doesn't have the astounding economies of scale and purchasing that
>the utilities have.  
>
>Given that the two things which most strongly drive the cost of 
>electricity are the cost of capital and the cost of fuels, 
>you will need to show that he can get capital at lower rates
>than the utilities and fuel at lower prices.  

What fuel?  He's talking about wind and photovoltaic.  Please show me where you
get economies of scale with either of these technologies.

>Lower enough to make up for the lost economies of scale in production.

Well, since we don't see large economies of scale in pv and wind, it's a
non-issue.

>The other costs are 'lost in the noise' ...

So, apparently, was this thread.  I suppose that's what happens when you're
about two weeks behind.
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Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: ems@Apple.COM (Mike Smith)
Newsgroups: sci.energy
Subject: House Sized constant duty (co)-generator
Date: 16 Jul 92 22:53:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: goofy.28390
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

All the talk of co-generation with solar has got me started
thinking about home sized power generation...

I use about 10kW-h/day now.  That is about 416 watts of constant
consumption.  Call it 1 hp at the generator engine.

It seems really odd to me that I should be able to power my whole
house from a 1 hp generator (if it was well designed and efficient)
by having power buffered in a battery bank.

What is wrong with this picture?  A 1 hp high efficiency high
reliability natural gas generator produces a constant 500 watts
or so.  Any excess above immediate needs is sent to a battery bank.
Any needs above 500w is met by a good (ala Trace) inverter.  The
excess heat is used in domestic water heating and space heating/cooling.

How small could one of these be made?  It seems to me that a 1 hp
gas turbine should be about the size of a quart jar!  Add a generator
about the size of a car alternator and you have a whole system that 
would fit in a small lead and foam lined concrete box under the water 
heater tank.

Does anyone make a gas turbine APU in the 500w size commercially?

-- 
E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

"Nothing can keep an argument going like two persons who aren't
sure what they're arguing about."   O.A.Battista
Newsgroups: sci.energy,sci.physics.fusion,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
Newsgroups: sci.energy
Subject: Re: ZERO Nuclear impact (was: Is car poolin
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:48:25 GMT
Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu
In-reply-to: dietz@mpi-sb.mpg.de's message of 23 Jul 92 14:49:27 GMT

In article <20210@sbsvax.cs.uni-sb.de> dietz@mpi-sb.mpg.de (Paul Dietz) writes:

   In article 19297@vexcel.com, dean@vexcel.com (dean alaska) writes:

   > Studies of possible electricity savings for the U.S. based on studies
   > of currently used versus currently available technology in the U.S. range from
   > about 75% on the liberal side (from RMI) to 44% on the lower (from the EPRI).

   Whoa.  That EPRI study concluded that power use could be reduced by up to
   44% *from projected levels in (I think) 2020*.  The total amount of power
   used would not go down 44%.  Under the 44% projection, it would be nearly
   constant, under the 24% projection, it would be higher than today.

Ah, that makes a lot more sense.

   Note that the big energy savings in the US since the early 1970s have been
   in the nonelectric segment of the economy.  Electricity use has grown steadily
   since that time in the US.  Also, I've seen a claim that about 1/4(?) of the
   non-electric energy savings was actually due to export of energy consumption
   (i.e., we import more products that were made with energy intensive processes
   in other countries).  Some countries with primarily low energy intensity industries
   (like Norway(?)) have artificially low energy use per capita because of this
   effect.

Another factor often ignored in comparing raw energy use per capita.
BTW I doubt Norway is at the low end, they have hydro power to spare,
export electricity and have at least some large Al refineries taking
advantage of a reliable, cheap 24 hour base supply.

*  Steinn Sigurdsson   			Lick Observatory      	*
* steinly@helios.ucsc.edu		"standard disclaimer"  	*
*  Why must you record my phonecalls?     			*
*  Are you planning a bootleg LP? ...				*
*  I dread to think what the future will be			*
*  When we're living in gangster time        Specials, 1979	*
From: yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken)
Newsgroups: sci.energy
Subject: Re: Is nuclear energy "polluting"? (was Re: Is car pooling for real?
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:08:16 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <-kfmyg=@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>houle@nmt.edu (Paul Houle) writes:
>
>>	Yes,  but that's just the high level waste.  Properly processed,
>>it can be reduced to a nice little volume of heavily radioactive stuff that
>>we can afford to spend a good deal per unit volume or mass to get rid of,
>>simply because there isn't very much of it.  Yet,  we also produce medium-
>>and low- level wastes from different steps in the processing and handling of
>>nuclear materials,  as well as from the decomissioning of reactors.  Because
>>there is much more low-level waste,  it is actually a more serious disposal
>>problem than the high-level waste.
>
>
>No it's not.  Low Level NOS waste is harmless by definition.  Try reading

Harmless by government edict. But, not necessarily harmless in the real
world.

>Repeat after me 1000 times.  This is a POLITICAL problem.  The technology
>was developed decades ago.  POLITICAL, not technical. Remember that.

The required level of safety of any engineering project is a political
problem, not a technical one. There is no technical reason for requiring
air-bags or even brakes on automobiles and there is no technical reason
why we should not be happy with a rad-waste stream distributing "low-level"
rad-waste into county dumps. 

>
>John
>-- 
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-- 


yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu
From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
Newsgroups: sci.energy
Subject: "Realistic Mitigation Options for Global Warming"
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:13:42 GMT

A few people asked me about the article I refered to a few days
ago.    The article (with the above title) by Rubin et. al.
appeared in the July 10, 1992 issue of Science.  It ranks
various schemes for reducing greenhouse gas emissions, ranked
according to direct cost per ton CO2-equivalent emission avoided.
The article is a summary, and refers to reports giving how
the figures were derived.  It does not attempt to project energy
demand, but looks at conservation options at a single point in
time (1989).

The article divides options into two classes:

  -- Options that have little or negative cost, but that are
     not fully implemented due to institutional or other barriers.

  -- Additional options that are costly or have other benefits
     or costs that are not readily quantified.

The US emits 7,900 million tons CO2-equivalent per year.
The first class of options amounts to about 25% of this.
890 MT/year are from energy conservation and fuel switching
by residential and commercial users ($-62/ton).  527 MT/year
is from industrial energy conservation ($-28/ton).  290 MT/year
from small increases in CAFE ($-43/ton),  99 MT/year from improved
O&M of electric plants ($1/ton), and 230 MT/year  from increased
collection of methane from landfills ($1/ton).


Options in the second class include such things as:

					Emissions	Direct cost
					  avoided	($ per ton
					(mil. ton/yr)	CO2-equiv)
Eliminate 25% of employer-provided
   parking spaces			    49		  -22

Increase CAFE to 46.8 MPG, requiring
changes in the existing fleet mix	    53		  530

Natural gas comb. cycle to replace
  coal-fired electricity		   850		   32
Biomass electricity			   130		   36
Hydroelectric 				    30		   38

Nuclear (ALWRs) replacing existing
fossil base/intermediate load plants	  1500		   49

Wind					    30		   79
Solar PV				   400		   87
Solar Thermal electricity		   540		  160

--------------------

(These are the midrange cost estimates assuming 6% discount rate
and midrange values of costs from studies.  The cost of wind,
for example, ranges from $33/ton to $125/ton; nuclear, from
$28/ton to $69/ton.  Note that both are similarly affected
by changes in discount rate, being capital-intensive.)

Additional large savings may be available in reducing CFC and HCFC
emissions, at more modest cost (1400 MT/yr CO2-equiv at a few
dollars/ton.)  Also listed are reductions in methane and N2O
emissions from agriculture (223 MT/year at ~$2/ton) and
reforestation (242 MT/year at $7/ton).

	Paul F. Dietz
	dietz@cs.rochester.edu