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From: franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio)
Subject: Re: Ed and Ruth-Anne (Was Best Episode)
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
	<1992Sep9.154028.19274@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:28:29 GMT

earp@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James K Earp) writes:

> ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon) writes:
> >
> >
> >Any takers for the 'what's your favorite relationship' question?
> 
> Okay, Elizabeth.  I'll bite on this one.  I think I like to see the 
> interaction between Maurice and Holling.

I have to go for the less visible Holling-Chris relationship.  Holling
is in his 60s and expects to live to around 110 (based on family
history), so he thinks he's just entering middle-age.  Chris is in his
30s and expects to live to about 45 or 50 (also based on family
history), so he thinks of himself as well past middleage.  Watching
these two talk about getting old was wierd and enlightening.
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From: cheri@decoy.uucp (24473-stead)
Subject: Re: Best Episode
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 20:58:19 GMT

It's tough, but the episodes I've enjoyed the most are:

	The Joel & Jules episode

	Rick's funeral (Chris's eulogy at the funeral was hilarious!)

	The episode where Maggie's father came to visit and she asked
	Joel to pretend to be her boyfriend (dinner with the three of
	them was great!).  (Has this one been mentioned yet?)

-- Cheri
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From: lhartman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lori L Hartman)
Subject: Alan Arkin
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:41:45 GMT


Alan Arkin (Adam) also played in the movie "The Doctor" with William Hurt.  
Arkin played a mildly eccentric surgeon who talked to his patients while 
operating.

Lori
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From: troy@cs.sfu.ca (Troy Brooks)
Subject: Re: Where are the children??
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:24:39 GMT

I can't believe somebody would want to add kids to Northern Exposure.
Aren't there enough irritating cutesy little kids in virtually every
show on television? Wasn't anybody as relieved as I was when Wesley
Crusher was relegated to occasional guest-status on Star Trek: TNG?
I think putting kids in shows is pandering to exactly this kind of
yuppy fixation, and frankly, I can't stand it. 

No kids on Northern Exposure!

Troy Brooks
troy@cs.sfu.ca


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From: mccla_d@aelle.cs.odu.edu (dennis mcclain-furmanski)
Subject: RE: Where are the children?
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Distribution: alt.tv.northern-exp
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:30:04 GMT

As per above:

1. At the picnics. Not loudly, nor in profusion, but present.

2. At the dinner table when Ed went to eat with that red haired girl's
family -- several other younger red haired girls were there. Again,
uncharacteristically silent. (For younger people, on NX.)

3. (Possibly a slightly bent memory): In the pilot, when Joel first enters the
office and there are lots of people in the waiting room, I seem to recall a 
few in that scene. As if to predict this thread, his first patient is a woman's
beaver. Seems it's got a problem with its teeth and isn't chewing things like
it used to.

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From: dslee@netcom.com (Donna S. Lee)
Subject: Re: "Letters from Cicely"
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 21:05:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: alt

wayne@ita.lgc.com (Wayne McCormick) writes:


>Sorry if this has appeared a number of times.  I seem to be having some trouble
>with the posting software.  If anyone sees this article could you tell me that
>it made it out there.  Thanks.

>Anyway, I am looking for more information about a book called "Letters from
>Cicely" that was mentioned here a week or so ago.  I need to know the
>author(s) and publisher so that I can find the book easier.  Right now, all
>I have to go on is the title.  Thanks.

Author:  Ellis Weiner
Publisher:  Pocket Books, 1992
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From: hankdtank <hank@waffle.sns.com>
Subject: Franz Kafka vs. Dr. Joel Fleischman
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:26:15 PDT

Since CBS will be airing the episode "Cicely" tonight, I wanted to 
comparethe Austrian author Franz Kafka (played by Rob Morrow, a.k.a. Dr. 
Joel) whoappears in this episode to the regular character Joel Fleischman.
 
Franz: came from a Jewish middle class family.
Joel: came from a Jewish middle class family.

Franz: did well in school, attained a law degree.
Joel: did well in school, attained a degree in medicine.

Franz: he longed to marry, but never did.
Joel: wanted to marry Elaine, but didn't.
 
Franz: sexually, had an aversion to intercourse, felling it was dirty.
Joel: doesn't like to be naked.
 
Franz: wrote _The Country Doctor_ in 1919.
Joel: is a country doctor.

Franz: wrote stories in which the central character tried to establish       
        himself, or survive in a foreign land with mysterious locals.
        (_The Castle_, 1926; _The Hunger Artist_, 1924; _America_, 1927 are 
        the works that come to mind.)
Joel: is trying to survive 4 yrs. in a foreign land, with Maurice being an   
        example of the towns authority (remember in the 'Pilot' when Joel    
        wanted to leave?).
 
 
Well, this is the best I can do.  There are some big differences, like the 
fact that Franz lived his life in emotional dependence on his parents while 
Joel...  um, I guess that comparison needs more input...
 

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From: tom@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Thomas Richard Stevenson)
Subject: Re: It on during football
Organization: Wayne State Univ.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:24:06 GMT

mpk9716@rigel.tamu.edu (Health Man) writes:

>	I love NE and so does my wife.  But monday night football is still on
>when it airs at 9:00 PM here in Texas.  She wants to watch NE while I like
>football (just a little better).  We record NE on the VCR but seldom get
>time to view it and the tape eventually get erased.  Put this show on
>another night so I can watch real TV and not those silly sit-coms.

If you think sit-coms are silly (and who doesn't?), just watch during
one of the sit-coms. NE is worth finding the time to watch!
From: dryfoo@athena.mit.edu (Gary L. Dryfoos)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Joel vs. Maggie:  The Juno Experience
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:00:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep08.203510.17121@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> bcarl@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Brian Carl) writes:
>Something I've discussed with a few people at work and about, with
>widely varying opinions.  Wondering what the net thought...
>
>With regards to Joel's "handling" of the situation between himself
>and Maggie after their trip to Juno:  was Maggie justified in her
>anger at Joel?
>...
>Am I missing something as a Typical Male?...

I've gone back and watched the episodes a couple of times, and, as a
semi-typical male, here's the only conclusion I could come to:

Gentlemen, if you're ever in a similar situation (and if you live the
right kind of life, you may someday be in a similar situation), just
sneak quietly into the bedroom, pull the covers aside gently, so as not
to wake her, and...

...paint her toenails.  With all different colors if she's got 'em.  Do
a good job -- don't smear on her toes.

If she wakes up, see what she's in the mood to do.

If she sleeps through it, sneak out again when you're done and sleep on
the couch.  It'll give her something else to try to figure out in the
morning.  Do try to keep a straight face, though.

Hope this helps.

-- dr foo

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From: pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Fling Thing
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:35:14 GMT
Organization: ICEM Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep8.151108.255@adp.uucp>, bob@arx.adp.wisc.edu (Bob Mikrut) writes:
|> In the Wall Street Journal, Tuesday, July 10, 1991, front page:
|> 	"A Scud It's Not, But The Trebuchet Hurls
|> 	 A Mean Piano"
|> 
|> This was the headline to a story on an Englishman named Hew Kennedy
|> in Acton Round, England, who built a device known by the 14th century
|> name 'trebuchet' (tray-boo-shay), "not to be confused with a catapult,
|> a much smaller device that throws rocks".

There was also an article about an Englishman and his trebuchet in a
recent issue of Car and Driver (May or June, I can't remember).  I
believe that it was Mr Kennedy.  There were lots of pictures and the
highlight of the article was the flinging of a Mini (a very small car
for those who don't know)

BTW does anyone know of any references about building these things? ;-)
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From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:21:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Sep6.201039.6966@athena.cs.uga.edu> wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells) writes:
>Dearly Beloved in Cicely,
>
>Let me tell you that it is Maggie who owns my heart on the show. (I do
>have one philistine friend who does nothing but talk about Ed and
>Joel, but that's his deal.)

Ahem.  Philistine? Why I outha......

 The most interesting characters, IMHO, are
>Maurice and Hollings. I do dislike at least one character, Chris. His
>existential style of radio announcing bugs the bee-jesus out of me. I
>go to college; I see that kind of person in Athens every day. You
>think that Cicely, Alaska wouldn't be bothered by someone so...common.
>:) 

Chris is nice to look at (when he bothers to shave) but that is about
all. After seeing the actor (whose name escapes me) on a few talk
shows, it seems as thought his character really isn't that different
from him, so I'm not really impressed with him.

Ed and Joel, however, are adorable and well-developed.
 




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From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:18:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.073854.10535@reed.edu> ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon) writes:

>Also, what are the general opinions about the Cicely-Roslyn flashback
>show?  Was it too much like Fried Green Tomatoes for anyone's taste?

	LOVED IT!! It was great considering that some of the episodes, except
the two previous ones, had been real dogs. I just sat there with my eyes
glued to the screen for the whole hour. The house could've burned down, and I 
wouldn't have noticed. I was really into it, which suprised me considering that
when I saw the promo, it looked kinda corny, or lame, but it was, IMHO, the
best epidode yet.

	P. S. I havn't seen Fried Green Tomatoes yet, so if your gonna make
comparisons, could you please use spoiler warnings. Thanks in advance.

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* jamesb@nevada.edu *                                       -- N. Peart       *
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From: karches@utdallas.edu (Tom Karches)
Subject: Re: Best episode- Cicily and Rosalyn
Keywords: Cicily and Rosalyn
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:51:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.235745.24572@ms.uky.edu> matt@ms.uky.edu (Matt Mccoy) writes:
>treilly@iastate.edu (Edward C Reilly) writes:
>
>>Earlier today, someone mentioned the cicly and Rosalyn episode as their
>>favorite.  People I have talked to tended to either like it or hate it,
>>and I noticed an interesting correlation:  The ones who liked it saw the
>>film "Fried Green Tomatoes," and the ones who did not see the film did not
>>like the episode.
>
>
>I have never seen FGT, but I enjoyed this episode alot.
>

You might be interested to know that the town in which NO is filmed, the
mythical town of Cicily, is actually called Roslyn. The brick wall with
"Roslyn's Cafe" painted on it (with the camel) is actually in the
town.

BTW, Roslyn is in Washington state about 80 miles east of Seattle.

Regards,
Tom Karches
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From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Subject: Re: Best episode- Cicily and Rosalyn
Keywords: Cicily and Rosalyn
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:21:22 GMT

treilly@iastate.edu (Edward C Reilly) writes:
>Earlier today, someone mentioned the cicly and Rosalyn episode as their
>favorite.  People I have talked to tended to either like it or hate it,
>and I noticed an interesting correlation:  The ones who liked it saw the
>film "Fried Green Tomatoes," and the ones who did not see the film did not
>like the episode.

What about those of us who liked the episode of NE but didn't see Fried
Green Tomatoes ......?  :-)

Rob U, Go Cyclones.... kick Hawk butt (note ECR's address)
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From: crenner@eng.clemson.edu (charles renner)
Subject: Re: Best Episode + song question
Reply-To: crenner@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:44:58 GMT

In article 12939@spdcc.com, jeff@spdcc.com (Jeff Fabijanic) writes:
>Actually, the device Chris used was a trebuchet, not a catapult. I know that
>everyone on the show called it a catapult, but what can I say, I'm just a
>European seige warfare nerd.
> 
>Tschus,
>  Jeff
>
>p.s. Almost forgot the second reason I'm writing - Forgive me if this has
>been asked before, but I am trying to find the origin of the song in the
>"Split Soul" episode (the one where Chris's bro returns from Africa after
>Chris becomes aphasiatic and they eventually resolve his problem by providing
>him with a half-moth in amber). Does anyone know who performed the dream-song?
>I suspect that it is called "Toy Cows in Africa". No theories please, just any 
>hard facts (I've had about 1000 different "I think it could be.."s). Thanks.>

"They Could Be Giants"



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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:08:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Sep6.211809.2758@nevada.edu>, jamesb@nevada.edu 
(James Bender) writes:

> 	LOVED IT!! It was great considering that some of the episodes, except
> the two previous ones, had been real dogs...

Like I said before, I'm only a recent devotee...but I have yet to see a 
"dog" episode!  That's what is so amazing about this show!!!  I love every
episode as much as the last...  (With a few brilliant standout exceptions,
like the season finale and the Jack London one I already mentioned)

Which ones did you think were James?  And why?  Are you referring to the 
hotel-room-sharing episode and the wedding episode?

Greg Bole                                    "The ants in the grass, they
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                  were just doing their thing."
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From: dinhyen@nevada.edu (DINH-YEN TRAN)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:29:42 GMT

In article <7SEP199211453385@zeus.tamu.edu> wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT) writes:
>It would be a mistake if Joel and Maggie ever did sleep together.  I think
>their love/hate relationship is what makes the show work.
>
>Kent Leverich
>WKL5819@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU 

Hi Will, I agree.  I think that one of the most interesting facets of the show 
is the Joel/Maggie relationship (if there exists any). In fact i wouldn't 
hesitate to say that it is the centerpiece of the show. During each episode,
we anticipate that they will get together finally, but at the same time hope
that they won't, because then the show would effectively be over.
Dinh-Yen Tran
dinhyen@nevada.edu


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From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: replies
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:54:17 GMT

First of all:yeh, Chris is a pain in the proverbial posterior. But isn't that
sort of the point? It is so ludicrous to find someone like him--who might
be better employed as a Ben & Jerry's poster child, or maybe one of those
guys who follows the Dead on their upcoming tour of class "M" planets--in
a town like Cicely. His brother Bernard is really, really cool. I also like
what happens when other people take over the station for some reason--it's
just interesting.
Secondly: I, being not far out of kidhood myself (half-past eighteen) but
nonetheless fond of little ones, have often mourned the absence of kids on
NX. I think that the people who run the show are probably yuppies who do
not want nasty little children messing up their nice clean studio. It would
be interesting, though--there are so many possibilities for character
development in the ways that they would relate to kids. (Shelly, Ed and
Maggie come to mind.) However, I think that even hoping that Adam and Eve's
offspring will appear on the show, is a mistake. The sad fact, friends, is
that unwashed, surly, juvenile hypochondriacs are a. all too common and
b. just not funny. Having been a camp counelor, I _know_ what I'm talking
about.
			Rosaleen Dhu
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From: alexho@microsoft.com (Alex Howerton)
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Date: 09 Sep 92 18:07:17 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <92252.110241IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET> <IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>I must add another Pro-Chris voice to the N. Exp. ensemble. And I actually know
> what he's talking about, which worries me somewhat. Maybe it's just the earrin
>g and the stubble that appeal to me, and I'm fooling myself to believe it's his
> mind I find so appealing, eh?
OK, here's my pinion in the great Chris controversy. Chris is a great character
and his pseudo-intellectual musings fit in perfectly with his character.
He's never been to college, but he yearns after knowledge and enlightenment.
He tackles the great ideas, but with a limited vocabulary and refernces. I
know many people like him. At first his new-age musings drove me nuts ,
because I was like that in college; I've been there done that, and got the T-shirt.  But now I see him as a mirror of my part of a psyche that is
intellectually immature, but still tries to impress people with what I think I know.  Beware of disparaging Chris too much; you may be attacking yourself.
       Also, Chris is emerging as the most powerful character of the show,
just like the Fonz stole happy days, and Spock is many people's favorite
Star trek character. If the Joel/Maggie tension ever comes unglued (as
I'm sure it must), I think Chris will begin to carry the show.


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From: bob@arx.adp.wisc.edu (Bob Mikrut)
Subject: Re: Fling Thing
Reply-To: bob@rags.adp.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 18:07:04 GMT


|>> In the Wall Street Journal, Tuesday, July 10, 1991, front page:
|>> 	"A Scud It's Not, But The Trebuchet Hurls
|>> 	 A Mean Piano"
|>> 
|> BTW does anyone know of any references about building these things? ;-)

The best I can find (but I haven't looked at it) is in our (U/W) 
library. It's a 1907 published work:
	Sir Ralph Payne-Gallwey (1848-1916)
	"A summary of the history, construction, and the effects in
	 warfare of the projectile-throuing engines of the ancients;
	 with, a treatise on the structure,...etc."


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