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From: pat@wrs.com (Patrick Boylan)
Subject: O/W ticket Atlanta to San Francisco available
Keywords: ticket SF Atlanta
Reply-To: pat@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Alameda CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:39:57 GMT

I have a couple of one way tickets from Atlanta to San Francisco
available.  The date is open.  Price negotiable.

Any interest?  Contact via email: pat@wrs.com.

- Patrick
From: MACHC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Mario A. Caro)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Selling NY -> Detroit
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:25:08 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I have a one-way ticket for travel from New York to Detroit on 10/25/92 for use
 by male passanger.  I'm asking $100.00 for it.  Please e-mail response.


Date can  be changed for $25.00 fee.
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From: bipin@iastate.edu (Bipin K Dalmia)
Subject: what frequent flyer program best for singapore airlines mileage
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:01:26 GMT

i'll be flying to singapore this winter on singapore airlines and would
like to know what frequent flyer program to join. i know that they
(singapore airlines) are partners with american and delta, but delta
gives a free coach ticket after 40,000 miles !!! as opposed to all the
other airlines at 20,000 and american says it'll credit singapore miles
only if the fare is paid in full.

any tips??

-- 
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bipin@iastate.edu             up at the beautiful stars, and i said to myself, 
n2.bkd@isumvs.iastate.edu     'where the F*CK is my ROOF !!'
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From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Subject: Re: Q: upgrade on AA for honeymoon flight
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:44:21 GMT

In article <2588@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> san@mpd.tandem.com (Steve Sanderson) writes:
>
>Fellow travelers:
>
>My fiance & I are getting married in ~two weeks and on Oct. 26th, we are
>flying to Tortola, British Virgin Islands for our honeymoon.
>
>We have booked a round trip coach class tickets (on American Airlines),
>but we dream of upgrading to first class, unfortunately neither one of us
>has enough AA frequent flyer miles to do this, though I am ~2300 miles short.

Oooh, too bad you waited until now to ask this question.

You don't say that you have the Citibank AAdvantage card; that might have
done the trick for you.  I earned over 2300 miles in just two months' use
of the card.

Charleen

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Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 10:14:13 CET
From: C R Francis <RFRANCIS@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: 'Window' seats (was Re: Aircraft Age)
Distribution: usa

They have armour in the wall at that point to resist debris from a
disintegrating fan disk in the engine.  This feature came with the
newer model 300 and 400 versions of the 737, which were fitted with
the bigger high bypass-ratio engines with the typical large front
fan.

In fact the 400 series have _two_ missing windows, one at row 6, the
other at row 8.  Sometimes the 300 series is at row 7.  Since one
doesn't generally know which model will be on the route it's best to
avoid all 3 rows 6, 7 and 8.

-------------------------------------        Richard Francis
Internet: rfrancis@estec.estec.esa.nl        European Space Research and
Bitnet  : rfrancis@estec.bitnet                Technology Centre (ESTEC)
SPAN    : ESTERS::FRANCIS
smail   : C R Francis, OEE/OWP, ESTEC, Keplerlaan 1, 2200AG NOORDWIJK NL
From: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Boeing Customer Codes
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:09:44 GMT
Reply-To: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.travel.air, kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz) writes:
>The model designation of a Boeing jetliner encodes the orignal
>customer for which the aircraft was built.
>The following list is derived from several sources and includes the
>codes for 256 customers.  Not all have actually been used, as there
>are some which were allocated and then the orders were cancelled,
>and there are some which are not listed because they were allocated
>for unannounced sales and Boeing considers them to be confidential.
>54      (gone)  Mohawk
		 ^^^^^^
>Karl Swartz     |INet   kls@ditka.chicago.com

    Mohawk, long gone (swallowed by Allegheny in the 70s I believe),
had a rather small route system, mainly in the northeast. When they
expanded their service to Washington, DC, it was considered a big deal
(by them). I find it rather amazing that they were ordering any kind
of Boeing aircraft. They must have had some expansion plans in the works.
I believe they did operate some Fokker jets, but the bulk of their fleet
were Convair 240s, as I recall. I remember going on their sightseeing
flights in the NY area when i was a kid. They operated out of the Eastern
terminal at Idlewild (now JFK) and charged $3 for their 30 minute flights.
Quite a bargain. American and TWA also operated sightseeing flights
and I went on them too.
						   Steve
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: ICAO Bans Smoking on All Airlines!
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:40:46 GMT

msriram@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Madurai G Sriram) wrote: 
->. . . . They
->could make the journey extremely unpleasant for the air crew and other 
->passengers, for that matter.  The tendency towards some kind of violent 
->behavior probably is not negligible from some smokers forced to do without for 
->10 hours.

when this is true for domestic flights, there are usually Uniformed
Representatives of the State waiting for the disgruntled passenger at
the destination airport.

the smoking habit of individual passengers is not the airline's
responsibility.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
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From: pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl)
Subject: Re: Boeing Customer Codes
Organization: Technical University of Munich, Germany
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:35:55 GMT

sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones) writes:

>But Wardair didn;t have any Boeings, did they?  All they lefgt to
>Canadian were Airbuses now sold to the Canadian Department of Defense.

They had some 747-200.

Peter Loibl
pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Saudi Air
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:12:48 GMT

bhat@cs.columbia.edu (Dinkar Bhat) wrote: 
->I would appreciate gretaly if someone can give information about travelling
->in Saudi Air. I am intending to travel by this airlines to India this Dec.
->Any info is welcome.

they're generally regarded as a comfortable, safe airline ... i don't
recall any saudi jets being hijacked recently ... but you shouldn't
expect free drinks (islamic prohibitions against alcohol).

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
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From: cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo)
Subject: Re: Is Continental's freq. flier program a sham?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:08:42 GMT

In article <1bke73INNa8v@rave.larc.nasa.gov> sleight@blackbird.larc.nasa.gov (David W. Sleight) writes:
>Those of you who belong to Continental's One Pass program - Did you
>sign up for the basic One Pass program which is free or did you
>sign up for the executive pack ($49.95) or elite pack ($99.95) ?
>
>With the exec pack you get :  5000 bonus miles
>							  4 ticket upgrades
>							  $99 companion ticket
>							  1 free Airfone call
>							  + other offers
>
>With the elite pack you get : 7500 bonus miles
>							  4 ticket upgrades (maybe more)
>							  $99 companion ticket
>							  2 free Airfone calls
>  				              + other offers
>
>I was thinking of signing up for the exec pack just to get the ticket
>upgrades and the $99 companion ticket. Can I use my AMEX travel voucher
>and the $99 companion ticket at the same time or do I have to purchase
>a regularly priced (no discounts) ticket ?

you hit the nail right on the head:
"Published Fares"
Now, if your willing to go to court, you could probably win, just bring
in an add that lists the published $129/$189 fare on an application, and
your all set.  of course, thats if you dont mind the legal fees  :)

Derek


>David
>
>*      *            *****      |      David W. Sleight
>*      *                 *          |      U. of Illinois '91
>*      *     of         *          |      Aero/Astro Engineering
>  ***              *****     |
>


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From: pas@marietta.cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos)
Subject: Boeing aircraft suffixes (was:  El Al Disaster)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:57:14 GMT

In article <twilson.718465488@cunews>, twilson@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Wilson) writes:
|> The ones I flew in July were numbered 747-338s, HNL-SYD and back.
                                             ^^^

This brings up another topic.  All jet aircraft bought by Qantas directly from
Boeing are designated 7x7-y38.  There were 707-338s, 747-238, -338, and now
747-438.  No other airlines have Boeing aircraft ending in -.38 (unless they were
bought from Qantas).

Other airlines have different suffixes.  For example, PanAm used to be -y21,
with their 707-121 and -321, 727-21 and -221, 737-221, and 747-121, -221, and
SP-21.

The suffix stays with the aircraft even if it is sold.

I have always wanted to know the answers to some questions about these suffixes:

1. Do they have a name, or are they just "suffixes"?

2. What is the reason behind these different suffixes?  Is there anything
   fundamentally different between a 747-221 and a 747-222?

3. Does anyone have a complete list of suffixes?  I can provide a start...

    01  Piedmont (RIP)
    05  Braathens SAFE
    21  Pan Am (RIP)
    22  United
    23  American
    25  Eastern (RIP)
    28  Air France
    29  Sabena
    30  Lufthansa
    31  TWA
    32  Delta
    33  Air Canada
    35  National (RIP)
    36  British Airways
    43  Alitalia
    44  South African Airways
    46  Japan Air Lines
    51  Northwest
    56  Iberia
    82  TAP Air Portugal
    J6  CAAC
    M7  Hughes Airwest (RIP)
    Y0  GPA

4. Why did the numbering start with 21, went all the way to 99, then
   back to 01 through 19?  Why weren't 20 and 00 ever used?

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   Georgia Tech, College of Computing       uucp: ...!gatech!cc!pas
   Atlanta GA 30332-0280, U.S.A.           Voice: (404) 853-9393
From: X03@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Extra 6000 miles for USAir Frequent Travelers
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:30:45 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

USAir is giving extra 6000 miles for its frequent travelers program members
as a welcome back bonus to attract flyers scared away by the strike, but
your flight has to begin before (including?) next Friday (10/16).  I think
USAir express is exclude from this offer.

Xiaowu Chen
From: jerry@incc.com (Jerry Rocteur)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: ICAO Bans Smoking on All Airlines!
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:16:41 GMT
Organization: InCC.com Perwez Belgium

In article <1992Oct10.153135.18674@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, msriram@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Madurai G Sriram) writes:
> What kind of enforcement powers does the ICAO have? Can it really enforce this 
> ban?
> 
> I quit smoking many years ago so this regulation doesnt affect me in the least.
> I do recall that nicotine withdrawal causes mood changes such as depression and
> irritation. On a long flight, eg the transpacific ones, I am not certain 
> whether it is wise to have a large proportion of passengers in this state. They
> could make the journey extremely unpleasant for the air crew and other 
> passengers, for that matter.  The tendency towards some kind of violent 
> behavior probably is not negligible from some smokers forced to do without for 
> 10 hours.
 
 It will be really neat, we'll see, non smoking seats and smokers
 seats, so even though they can't smoke they can be in their own
 groups and take out their agro, depression and moods on each other :-)
  
  What a sicko race we are when we depend on these substances to be able
  to be civil to each other, make me want to puke.

-- 
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From: brown@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Pat R. Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Any tips on Travelling with a 2 1/2 month old.
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:13:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpspkla.33100003
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.

One thing that is almost essential is to give the little one a bottle 
from takeoff to reaching cruise altitude and on the way back down. 
Babys cannot clear their Estation tubes (sp? the little tube from the 
inner ear to the windpipe). This results in pressure buildup in their 
little inner ears and it hurts! Giving them a bottle allosw then to      
clear the pressure difference. 

With a 2.5 month old , try to get a bulkhead seat. On many planes 
they have a bassinet that hangs on the bulkhead wall. 

We also take a big bag of toys, bright balls and books etc. 

Good Luck and have fun, Pat 
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ST27627@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Subject: NEEDED: Central U.S. to Florida ticket needed
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 21:15:21 CST

Anyone know where I can get the best ticket prices from Central-US (Dallas
or neighborhoods) to Miami, Florida? (For travel either on November or
Christmas)
 
Any information is greatly appreciated.
 
ramos@engr.latech.edu
 
(reply by e-mail if at all possible; Usenet is not 100% reliable yet)
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From: mckay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ruth Isabella McKay)
Subject: Australian Flights and Frequent Flyers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 00:16:57 GMT

Hi flying gurus,

Here's a question for you, similar to the one about Singapore airlines.
I am an Aussie, and fly home now and then which turns into a goodly
quantity of FF miles.  I would really like to fly Qantas (supprt
Australian made, and they are good), but the only FF options I know
of are Qantas's own (you pay a lot for, and it takes a lot of flights
to get any benefits), Alaska and American.

Alaska credits all Qantas miles, but seems to me to not give me a lot
of choices of flights, since I mostly fly further east within the states,
rather than up or down the west coast, where Alaska seems to fly.
I heard that Northwest FF is linked to Alaskan, but would that mean they
would take Qantas too ?

American does not credit all Qantas fares - only full Economy or excurison
fares (so I guess this counts out taking advantage of Qantas special
deals that pop up now and then). I do use MCI and phone Australia a lot,
so would benefit highly from their Dial for Miles deal. BUT it seems to
me that San Fran is not the best place to live if you want to fly with
American.

It seems to me to get the most out of my flights home, I should fly with
Continental or United and use their FF clubs.  

Unless anyone has a better solution ???

Ruth
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: philip@jetcom (Philip Peake)
Subject: Re: Which hub/spoke system is best?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:52:44 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <Bvz7A0.HIu@rice.edu>, dgrove@helena.cs.rice.edu (Dan D Grove) writes:
|> Hi-
|> 
|> I'm curious as to which airline's hub and spoke system readers of this 
|> newsgroup think is the best (in terms of being able to get where you
|> want to easily, geographical distribution of hubs, etc.). 
|> 
|> I tend to think that Delta has a really nice system, with their
|> hubs more or less boucing from south to north from coast to coast
|> (their hubs are orlando, atlanta, cincinatti, d/fw, salt lake city, lax).
|> However, I'm sure there are lots of differing opinions out there, and
|> I would like to see some discussion about the merits of other carrier's 
|> systems.
|> 
|> In addition, I would be interested in hearing the net's thoughts about
|> off-continent hubs (like Delta's in Frankfurt [and their soon to exist
|> Taipei hub]). Is this a trend we're likely to see more of?
|> 

Which is best ? The simple answer is none at all.
These are only for the benefit of the airlines,
not passengers.

I want to fly from point A to point B WITHOUT having
to detour several hundred (thousand ?) miles and wait
hours or have to run the length of the airport to get the
next 'plane.

When travelling from Europe to the US, I almost always
avoid US carriers because they force you to go through
their hub - I don't want to fly to Boston (for example)
via Chicago.

Philip
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: aap@cs.brown.edu (Andrea A. Pietracaprina)
Subject: Pan Am 747s
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:27:32 GMT

I was wondering:

          Where did all the Pan Am 747s go? 
          Did Delta get them?

There must have been postings about it some time ago, but, if so,  i
don't remember what they were saying. 

BTW, i saw in a book a picture of a Delta 747, i guess form the seventies;
it looked pretty neat and -i would say- unusual.

-andrea
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 12:17:42 EDT
From: Naushad Hussain <IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Aircraft Age
 <KMEYER.92Oct5131131@solarium.aero.org> <CKD.92Oct6231250@loiosh.eff.org>
 <1992Oct8.100346.9417@ohare.Chicago.COM>

THE D.B. COOPER PLANE IS NOW OPERATED BY KEY AIR.
-NAUSHAD HUSSAIN
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: what frequent flyer program best for singapore airlines mileage
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:47:38 GMT

bipin@iastate.edu (Bipin K Dalmia) wrote: 
->i'll be flying to singapore this winter on singapore airlines and would
->like to know what frequent flyer program to join. i know that they
->(singapore airlines) are partners with american and delta, but delta
->gives a free coach ticket after 40,000 miles !!! as opposed to all the
->other airlines at 20,000 and american says it'll credit singapore miles
->only if the fare is paid in full.

join all the programs ... then fly the airlines you want, and
accumulate mileage in all the programs.  eventually you'll start
spawning free domestic tickets ...

it is often (not always) true that us airlines with frequent flyer
schemees will only give mileage for tickets purchased on full fares.
this didn't used to be the case.  bummer ...

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
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From: cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo)
Subject: AMEX Phone Number & USAir & CO
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:01:34 GMT

The AMEX customer service is:
1-800-528-4800

Continental Airlines Reservations is:
1-800-525-0280

while the One Pass is again (I already mentined in previous post)
1-713-952-1630

Sorry about USAir,
Only have the local number for Boston:
(617) 482-3160


Derek
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Southwest -- catch?
From: bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:17:26 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <HROSE.92Oct13005215@rocza.eff.org>, hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) writes:
> So what's the catch? They don't fly airplanes I would be scared to get
> into (All 737 fleet). I wouldn't expect they're a high-frills airline
> (but what are frills on a slightly-over 1 hour flight?) Do I have to
> hang on the wing? 
> 
> --Helen

One possible problem is if you have pets and insist that
they fly with you.  Southwest doesn't allow any animals on
board.  Not a catch to me, but to some people I'm sure it is.

Brian

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: dgrove@helena.cs.rice.edu (Dan D Grove)
Subject: Which hub/spoke system is best?
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:20:23 GMT

Hi-

I'm curious as to which airline's hub and spoke system readers of this 
newsgroup think is the best (in terms of being able to get where you
want to easily, geographical distribution of hubs, etc.). 

I tend to think that Delta has a really nice system, with their
hubs more or less boucing from south to north from coast to coast
(their hubs are orlando, atlanta, cincinatti, d/fw, salt lake city, lax).
However, I'm sure there are lots of differing opinions out there, and
I would like to see some discussion about the merits of other carrier's 
systems.

In addition, I would be interested in hearing the net's thoughts about
off-continent hubs (like Delta's in Frankfurt [and their soon to exist
Taipei hub]). Is this a trend we're likely to see more of?

Just trying to start a new thread.

-dan
-- 
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Phone: (713) 524-6571       |       Dept. of Computer Science
Fax: (713) 285-5136         |       Houston, TX  77251-1892
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From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: AMEX Student Vouchers on USAir
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:41:59 GMT

In article <1bcdbkINNge8@tangelo.usc.edu> skoehler@tangelo.usc.edu (steffen koehler) writes:
>BTW, AMEX will not be mailing out another set of coupons until January.  Their
>computer spits them out in batches a few times a year.  So if you think
>they've forgotten you, call them and bug them before then.

A few years  ago  my sister got  an  AMEX  card so  she could  get the
coupons and go  away.  It happened  that she wanted the  coupons right
away, she planned  on using them a few  weeks after  getting the card.
After numerous calls to AMEX she still had no coupons. She called them
again and again  telling them they  had  not arrived.   Finally,  they
started coming.   Four  or five sets  of them arrived.   She used them
all!
			reb
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: mujtaba@goose.Stanford.EDU (Syed Aon Mujtaba)
Subject: Re: Luggage restrictions on International Airlines (Q)
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 01:01:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.212951.18849@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Anand.Rao@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Anand Rao) writes:
|> Hi:
|> 
|> I will be flying on British Air... and would like to know about the
|> restrictions an airline might place on the luggage (dimensions and
|> weight). Here are a few questions...if you know the answers, I'd
|> appreciate learning them:
|> 
|> * How many pieces (hand bags) of luggage are allowed as carry-ons on the
|> flight? 
|> * How many suitcases can be checked-in per passenger?
|> * What is the weight restriction/bag or suitcase?
|> *  Is it better to take one LARGE suitcase instead of two small ones? 
|> Does it matter?!
|> 
|> Thanks.


	It is best to call the toll-free number of British Airways,
	and inquire from them directly. BA will be more than glad
	to provide you with this information.





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