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From: J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross)
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Subject: RE: New FIFA Goalkeeper rule
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:03:02 +0000







In <seanb.714819197@cs.man.ac.uk> seanb@cs.man.ac.uk (Sean Bechhofer) writes:

>A friend of mine mentioned an incident in the Sheffield Wednesday vs.
>Chelsea game from Saturday, which was featured on Match of the Day.
>Evidentally, a ball was kicked forward from the Wednesday half, clipped off
>a Chelsea player, ran past several Chelsea and Wednesday players and back
>to Beasant in the Chelsea goal. He dribbled it around a bit, then picked it
>up, at which point a free kick was awarded.  Now I didn't actually see the
>incident myself, but it seems like this was a bit of over-zealous
>refereeing, and unnecessary sticking to the rules. Surely a deflected long
>ball such as this doesn't really count as a back pass? If it does, then I
>think we could be in for an awful lot of controversial free kicks......
>Comments, anybody?

From your description it looks like the ref go it wrong i.e. Beasant picked
up a deflected pass, not a backpass. From the games I've seen keepers are
too scared to pick up deflection in case the ref gives a foul against them.

>While I'm here, he also mentioned another incident in the Tottenham vs.
>Palace game. Spurs had a direct free kick, which Samways was lining up to
>take. He dummied it and a player came out the wall, getting a booking for
>encroaching on the free kick, an offence the referees have been told to
>crack down on (and quite right in my book, too). Samways then tried the
>same trick again, and was himself booked for ungentlemanly conduct!!! It's
>a funny old game..... :-)

I saw this on incident on Match of the Day, there's been a couple of
other incidents of players delaying free kicks like this to try and get the
opposition to encroach. Hopefully refs will crackdown on this sort of cheating.

James M. Ross

(j.m.ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk)
From: ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: e: Arsenal Football Club
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:27:50 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <16858C632.074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za> 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za writes:
>To all your arguments, I have only one thing to say:
> 
>Arsenal should run into the sea off the white cliffs of Dover like the
>lemmings they are.

Lemmings don't run into the sea off cliffs.  This cruel myth about this 
small lapland rodent stems from when a film crew herded them off the top
of a cliff.  I know this isn't about football, but a point of information,
nonetheless.  Another point of information is that the traditional place
to jump into the sea off the cliffs in the Southeast of England is 
Beachy Head near Eastbourne.


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From: DONDE@brownvm.brown.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Looking for SOCCER NEW ENGLAND
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:40:37 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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Anyone know the address, phone number, etc. of a small newspaper called
Soccer New England??

I need to get an ad in there about our upcoming tournament.

Thanks.

Don
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From: louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen)
Subject: Re: Main dutch transfers this summer.
Organization: AI Engineering BV, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:45:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.010454.443@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>schraag@fwi.uva.nl (Joost Schraag) writes:
>
>>   [a young Finnish international on loan, forgot his name]
>
>You can't trick us - we know you can't spell it :-)

Fortunately I have a paper in my office. His name is Litmanen. Last
sunday he played 5 minutes and (i have counted) he has touched the ball
twice. 

louis kossen


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From: mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Manchester United
Date: 21 Aug 92 07:49:13 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za writes:
: After last night's home defeat to Everton, I think even the most
: ardent of Manchester United fans must admit that United is as
: ordinary as any other team like Halifax Town or Cambridge Utd.
: They are just living in past glory and living in their own illusion.
:  
: Comments.

	Yes they are, aren't they.:-)

	Anything to say about Maradona? (Sorry Foad)

		Conor (of the deliberate mistype):-)
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: 1/32 Pucharu Polski
Summary: Results of Polish Cup 1st round
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:13:02 GMT

1/32 of Polish Cup (played on Wednesday, August 26th)

Polkolor Piaseczno  -  Jagiellonia Bial~ystok  4:1  !!
Radomiak  -  Polonia Warszawa                  1:2 a.e.t.
Gornik Wal~brzych  -  Sle,za Wrocl~aw          0:1
Pogon Siedlce  -  Bl~e,kitni Kielce            0:3
Karpaty Krosno  -  Szombierki Bytom            2:0  !!
Korona Kielce  -  Gornik Pszow                 1:2
Bal~tyk Gdynia  -  Pogon Szczecin              1:2
Polger Police  -  Stilon Gorzow                4:1
Ruch II Chorzow  -  Rakow Cze,stochowa         1:1 a.e.t., pen. 4:2
GKS Bel~chatow  -  Zagl~e,bie Wal~brzych       2:3
Chemik Bydgoszcz  -  Lechia Gdansk             3:6  !!
Stal II Mielec  -  Wisl~oka De,bica            0:3
Bug Wyszkow  -  Stomil Olsztyn                 2:3 a.e.t.

Cheers!

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From: Matthew.Lehrer@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Matthew Lehrer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: What is happening to Liverpool?
Summary: McManaman
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:47:52 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Just a question. I've been hearing alot about the exciting skills of Steve
McManaman lately. Is he in the starting lineup for the Reds? When he has
played this season, how has he looked?
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Subject: Re: Did New Zealand really beat Scotland in 1982 ??? 
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 24 Aug 92 11:41:43 +1200
 <1992Aug20.115349.418@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> <mikec.714377822@unixg.ubc.ca>
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <mikec.714377822@unixg.ubc.ca>, mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Cherkassoff) writes:
> In <1992Aug20.115349.418@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:
> 
>>ps for the record New Zealand 2 Scotland 5 and I thought the game against USSR
>>ended 2-0 after that dickhead Kenny Cresswell missed a chance to put NZ i up in
>>the first minute when he scooped the ball over the bar from about 6 inches.
> 
> Well, as I already mentioned, the game ended 3-0, with the scorers in USSR
> team : Blokhin, Gavrilov and Baltacha (?).

Sorry - slight memory lapse here.

> (BTW, this dickhead could have scored two goals , and it wouldn't prevent 
> New Zealand from the loss. The teams were pretty unequal).

Kenny Creswell could never score two goals in an international game - if fact
he proved that scoring one was totally beyond him :-). BTW I never suggested
his scoring would have changed the result of the game but from our point of
view to go one up against a team like USSR in the first minute would be a
pretty good achievement.

Alan
From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Liverpool
Date: 25 Aug 1992 12:04:48 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Is John Barnes playing for Liverpool?  Or is he still injured?  
How about Jan Molby?
Thanks,
Ken S.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: ae24@iamk4516.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Peter Januschke)
Subject: Re: Capacity of Olympia stadion, Mu"nchen
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:19:56 GMT

ae24@iamk4516.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Peter Januschke) writes:
> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
> > 
> >   On saturday a crowd of 64000 for Bayern - Kaiserslautern was
> > reported as a sell out crowd. What have they done to the stadium?
> > A few years ago the capacity was ~80000.
> > 
> 
> As the "kicker Sportmagazin" states in its special issue titled
> "Bundesliga 1992/93", the Olympiastadion has a capacity of exactly
> 69 261. I think the real capicity is higher, but they won't let
> in more than 69 000 for security reasons, as someone else stated
> here.
> In 1972, when it was built up ready, the stadium had a capacity of
> about 78 000.

I forgot to mention, that in Germany TV and radio stations, as well
as the newspapers and sports magazines, reported that about 60 000
people attended the Bayern vs. KL match. Therefore it could not have
been sold out.

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From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Subject: European club competitions statistics
Keywords: England still top of the table, even after 5-year ban
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:47:25 GMT

Well, English football has taken a lot of flak in the past few years,
mainly due to the national team's inability to prove itself at the
international stage (Italia '90 excepted).
However, according to the figures publicized by 'World Soccer', England
still reigns supreme at the European club level.
This is trully remarkable considering the 5-year ban English clubs had
to endure in the European competitions.
There have been 13 (!!) English clubs that have won at least one European
title - a total of 23 out of the 103 so far contested.

Here's the figures:

ECC - Champions Cup
CWC - Cup Winners Cup
UEC - Fairs/UEFA Cup

COUNTRY		CLUBS  ECC  CWC  UEC  TOTAL
England		 13     8    6    9    23
Spain             5     7    5    8    20
Italy             7     7    5    5    17
West Germany      7     4    4    4    12
Holland           3     5    1    3     9
Portugal          3     3    1    0     4
etc...
                ---   ---  ---  ---   ---
                 52    37   32   34   103


Liverpool are the top English club having won the ECC 4 times and the
UEC 2 times.
It should be noted though that the strength of 'English' clubs in the
past was mainly due to the fact that they were really 'British/Irish'
clubs (including many players from Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland and Eire).

Which brings me to a few questions:

Will Scots/Welsh/Irishmen count as 'foreigners' when they play for
English clubs, starting this season ? 
Will players from EEC countries playing for other EEC teams (in a different
country) count as 'foreigners', or is there an EEC labour law that prohibits 
this ? 
How many 'foreigners' can a team field at a European match ?

All help appreciated.

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From: Rupert_The_bairn@ed
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Watford info needed
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:57:46 GMT

Can any Watford fan give me the address of a Watford fanzine, or some
information or opinions on Joe McLaughlin. It seems our mob have just
bought him, and I need some opinions on him for our fanzine.

Thanks in advance,

RtB
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Cherkassoff)
Subject: Re: SOVIET: The compilation of all available info about football in ex -USSR
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:34:12 GMT

Hi,

here are couple of remarks about very good posting of Pavel:

1. I believe that last CIS cup ended up with the score 2:0 (Spartak won).

2. It's not at all surprising, that "Asmaral" Moscow is one of the
leaders in Russian League - the team is being coached by Konstantin Beskov -
one of the best Russian coaches ever, and almost all more or less good
players from other teams are playing abroad. (The same kind of problem, that
Dinamo Kiev is experiencing in Ukraine).

Cheers,

Michael.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Subject: Re: WC 94 qualifiers in Australia
Reply-To: harin@iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:34:11 GMT

>In article 14477@iti.gov.sg, harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh) writes:
>>I only know of the dates, but not the venue...
>>
>>20/09/92 Australia - Tahiti
>>25/09/92 Australia - Solomon Islands


In article 23439@Aus.Sun.COM, peterm@pinhigh.Aus.Sun.COM (Peter Miles) writes:
>
>Both these matches are away games for the Aussie Socceroos.
>
>Regards  Peter.
>

You're mistaken, Peter. Those are the home games for the Aussies. The away games are being played earlier. Their fixtures are :

04/09/92 Solomon Islands - Australia
11/09/92 Tahiti - Australia

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	Harin
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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Friendly Finland-Poland
Date: 30 Aug 92 08:06:45 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans) writes:

>marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch) writes:
>>
>>    Can you list the WC94 qualifying group that Poland is in, include
>>the results upto the present. Was this a qualifying match?
>>

>England, The Netherlands, Poland, Norway, Turkey, San Marino.
>No qualifying matches played up to now.

The schedule is this:

 Group 2:
09.09.92: Norway-San Marino
23.09.92: Norway-Holland
23.09.92: Poland-Turkey
07.10.92: San Marino-Norway
14.10.92: England-Norway
14.10.92: Holland-Poland
28.10.92: Turkey-San Marino
18.11.92: England-Turkey
16.12.92: Turkey-Holland
17.02.93: England-San Marino
24.02.93: Holland-Turkey
10.03.93: San Marino-Turkey
24.03.93: Holland-San Marino
31.03.93: Turkey-England
28.04.93: England-Holland
28.04.93: Norway-Turkey
28.04.93: Poland-San Marino
19.05.93: San Marino-Poland
29.05.93: Poland-England
02.06.93: Norway-England
09.06.93: Holland-Norway
08.09.93: England-Poland
22.09.93: Norway-Poland
22.09.93: San Marino-Holland
13.10.93: Holland-England
13.10.93: Poland-Norway
27.10.93: Turkey-Poland
10.11 93: Turkey-Norway
16.11.93: San Marino-England
17.11.93: Poland-Holland


Looks like a battle between England, Netherlands and Poland.
It might very well be decided in the last match.
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From: iana@nasher.UK.Sun.COM (Ian Abram - SUN Scotland)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: American legislators..(was:Re: Heading: Dain Bramage??)
Date: 27 Aug 1992 20:48:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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test

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From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Subject: Summary of Rule Changes
Keywords: From the Sunday Times
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:45:31 GMT

RULE CHANGES APPLICABLE WORLDWIDE

1. The goalkeeper can no longer handle the ball when a deliberate
   back-pass is kicked to him. If he does, an indirect free-kick
   will be awarded from the spot of handling. If the pass is made
   in the penalty area, the free-kick will be taken from the six-
   yard line. Goalkeepers are still allowed to handle headed or
   chested back-passes.

2. A goal-kick or free-kick awarded to the defending team inside
   their penalty area can be taken from either side of the box.

3. When a player is sent off for a second caution, the referee must
   show both yellow and red cards, making clear that the dismissal
   is for the double caution.

4. In major championships (e.g. European Championship Finals), two 
   substitutes can be used from up to nine players on the bench,
   instead of two from five.

5. In European club competitions, clubs can field three foreign players
   (previously four). A further two non-nationals may be used if they
   have played for five years (including three years at youth level)
   in the country concerned.
   [this one answers the question I had yesterday]


RULE CHANGES APPLICABLE TO ENGLISH PREMIER LEAGUE

1. Substitutions: A team is permitted two substitutions. A maximum of
   three substitutes (ONE OF WHOM MUST BE A RECOGNISED GOALKEEPER)
   may be nominated. 

2. Non-UK players: A club cannot, without the consent of the Board,
   play more than three players who are not citizens of the UK and
   colonies, Republic of Ireland or have not been resident in the UK
   for a continuous period of five years.

3. Transfers: Transfers of players which are considered temporary
   [the "on-loan" status] WILL NOT BE ALLOWED between Premier League
   clubs, except goalkeepers, in extenuating circumstances.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen)
Subject: Re: European club competitions statistics
Keywords: England still top of the table, even after 5-year ban
Organization: AI Engineering BV, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:21:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.212938.4457@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras) writes:
>
>>Which brings me to a few questions:
>
>>Will Scots/Welsh/Irishmen count as 'foreigners' when they play for
>>English clubs, starting this season ? 
>
>In Europe yes - in England no.
>
>>Will players from EEC countries playing for other EEC teams (in a different
>>country) count as 'foreigners',
>
>Yes.
>
>> or is there an EEC labour law that prohibits 
>>this ? 
>
>Not yet.
>
>>How many 'foreigners' can a team field at a European match ?
>
>3 (or is it 2?).

I think its even 4.

louis kossen

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: New French championship 93/94



         Starting season 1993/1994 ,the championship will be as follow:

     1 Division:  20 teams
                  No play-off end of 1992/93
                  The 2 last will be replaced by the winner of
                  2 division group A and group B

     2 Division:  Only 1 group of 22 teams with
                 -The 2 last of 1 division 1992/93
                 -2nd division teams ranked between 2 and 10
                  of both group A and B 1992/93
                 -The 2 best teams of 3rd division after play-off 92/93

     CNF 1 (championnat national federal de 1 division)
                  2 groups of 18 teams each with
                 -2nd division teams ranked between 11 and 18
                  of both group A and B 1992/93
                 -The 4 losing teams of 3rd division play-off
                 -3rd division teams ranked on 2nd and 3rd place
                  of each group (6 groups)
                 -The 4 best teams after play-off of all 6 teams
                  ranked on 4th place 1992/93
                      TOTAL 36 Teams

     CNF 2 (championnat national federal de 2 division)
                  4 groups of 18 teams with
                 -8 promoted teams of 4th division
                 -3rd division teams ranked between 5 and ??
                  (not been decided yet) 1992/93
                      TOTAL should be 72 teams


       RELEGATION AND PROMOTED TEAMS 1993/94

                  1 Division: no play-off
                              3 last relegated

                  2 Division: 3 last relegated
                              3 first promoted

                  CNF 1     : 3 promoted
                              (2 first of each group + play-off winner
                               between the two 2nd of each groups)


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From: car@public.BTR.COM (Carlos Rimola-Sarti  car@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: South-American sub-20 results
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:21:43 GMT
Organization: Connective Strategies, Inc. (CSI).  Mountain View, California

Results from the Sub-20 South-American Championship finals held this past
weekend:

	Brasil		0		Uruguay		0
	Colombia	0		Ecuador		0
	Brasil		2		Ecuador		0
	Colombia	0		Uruguay		0
	Uruguay		3		Ecuador		1
	Brasil		1		Colombia	0

Brasil wins the championship on goals.  I believe they have won it 3
times in a row.  Uruguay and Colombia, together with the winer, qualify
for the world championship to be held next year in Australia.  From the
little that I saw of this championship, stars to look for in the future:

Adriano of Brasil
Correa(s) of Uruguay
Oviedo of Colombia

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