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From: amin@doomsday.micro.umn.edu (Amin Kassem)
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:25:30 GMT

Joel Jacobsen (jacobsen@itexjct.jct.ac.il) wrote:
: malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95) writes:
: 
: >The founder is physically completely handicapped, and is in prison in
: >occuppied Palestine. He is now very ill and losing his sight and hearing
: >due to imprisonment conditions. 
: 
:  He has a private nurses and doctors in jail. I wonder what relation will
: A Jewish soldier find in a HAMAS jail.....
:

NOT TRUE.  HE HAS NO DOCTORS OR NURSES LOOKING AFTER HIS HEALTH.  THE 
ISRAELI AUTHORITIES JAILED HIS OLDEST SON WITH HIM IN THE SAME CELL TO
LOOK AFTER HIS FATHER.  PRIOR TO THIS HIS CELL MATE WAS TAKING CARE OF
HIM UNTIL HE WAS RELEASED AND DEPORTED LAST YEAR.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO WONDER AT ALL.  GO ASK YOUR GOVERNMENT HOW  GOOD
YOUR SOLDIERS WERE TREATED WHEN THEY WERE CAPTURED IN LEBANON.

 
: >to life  imprisonment and 15 years on  16/10/1991. The colonial forces
: >don't allow him to perform an operation for his eyes.
: 
:  As far as I know it's not the true. He have FULL MEDICAL CARE in the jail.
:
AGAIN, NOT TRUE.  HIS PREVIOUS CELL MATE DISCLOSED ALL THE FACTS.
 
: >Where everyone including Jews can live in peace in Palestine.
: 
:  I leave in the so called 'occupied teritories'. I guess you call pease to the
: situation which every one MUST carry a gun to protect his life in the roads.
: 
:  Only arabs drive (crazy I must say) with car windows open. Jewish peoples 
: are worry from stones.
: 
I AM GLAD.  AT LEAST WE DO NOT USE THE F16 OR THE HEAVY ARTILLERY OR THE LIVE
AMUNITION TO DISPURSE THE PROTESTERS.  STILL A STONE IS NOT AS BAD AS A
BULLIT YET IT IS MUCH MIGHTIER.

:      Joel
: 
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From: rtrisack@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Robert Risack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: salAmu `alaykum
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:58:06 GMT
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
NNTP-Posting-Host: faui00f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de

al-ssalAmu `alaykum

(arabic writing: see ArabTeX by Klaus Lagally, Uni Stuttgart
if interested, i can give it to you.)

I just want to ask, if there are some arabs coming to InterNet from
arabic countries. All arabs I read postings from are working in Amerika,
Australia, France, or Ireland. Is there no arabic Institute with InterNet
connection?

bye
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From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Subject: Re: Inappropriate Postings Explained
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:07:36 GMT

I found this information in misc.jobs.offered, it might explain many
of the Carasso's articles:

Quote(check ref line)
 Some detective work has turned up the fact that all the cross-posting of 
the "Garth Brooks" message thread was courtesy of a hidden x-ref that was 
 	left to booby-trap the thread into several inappropriate areas.
 	
 The fine fellow who perpetrated this is Roger Carasso (carasso@turing.org).
 
 Please offer him your rememberances, and again accept my apology as well 
 as those of others this misanthrope managed to bomb.
End Quote. 

[This was after some inappropriate messages were crossposted to the above group
among many others.]

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM?
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<93005.161146RHOMSIE@auvm.american.edu>
	<1993Jan6.215623.11520@bony1.bony.com>
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:10:27

In article <1993Jan6.215623.11520@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>   At the time the Jews set up the State of Israel in their homeland,
>   shortly after WW II, the Jews had even less political and financial
>   clout than the Kurds do today.

This is ludicrous.  The Kurds today do not have a sizeable population
of relatively well off Americans, but the Jews certainly did in 1948.
The Jews were able to buy arms in large quantities on the
international market.  Can the Kurds put up such sums today?

>   Blaming the Jews for cheating militarily is an understandable response
>   to being repeatedly trounced by Israel, even after the Arabs outnumber
>   Israel militarily by an order of magnitude in most respects.  Blaming
>   the Jews for being financially favored while the Arabs soak up
>   incredible amounts of money in petro-dollars is much harder to
>   undestand. 

The Arabs do not outnumber the Israelis by an order of magnitude
militarily in any respect that is important, else they couldn't have
lost any of the wars.  Some of the Arabs are indeed very much richer
than the Israelis, but some aren't.  Look at the Palestinian Arabs,
for example.  I don't think you can accuse them on the whole of being
too rich.
--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Al-Baqarah #143
Date: 6 Jan 1993 21:23:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Al Baqarah #143

Found this interesting fact about this verse in Sorat Al-Baqarah:

143. And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you
may be the bearers of witness to the people and (that) the
Apostle may be a bearer of witness to you; and We did not make
that which you would have to be the qiblah but that We might
distinguish him who follows the Apostle from him who turns back
upon his heels, and this was surely hard except for those whom
Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going to make your
faith to be fruitless; most surely Allah is Affectionate,
Merciful to the people.
     
Note that the total number of verses in this Sorat is 286.
Half of it is 143, which is the number of this verse.  This
verse also says "And thus we have made you a  m e d i u m  
nation."  

"Can't they study the Quran?  And if it were not the words of 
God, they would have found so many differences and disputes."
-- 
                  ___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu _____________
                 (______   _  |   _  |_
_____ H A M Z A ________) |-| |_ |-| | |
From: abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Hieroglyphics
Summary: $0.02
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:56:40 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <c551Hou#vb@atlantis.psu.edu> malik@wilbur.psu.edu (Sohail Malik) writes:
>A friend came back from Egypt with a necklace that claims to spell
>an English name in what looks like hieroglphyic characters.
>
>This sounds like a fabricated hieroglyphic to English letter mapping
>for the benefit of purveyors of tourist items because each of those
>characters is the equivalent of a meaningful word, isn't it?
>
>Can anyone confirm whether this is indeed the case?
>
>Thanks.
>
>-Sohail

My two piastres (much less than two cents these days :-) 

I believe you are correct.  I remember when I visited Luxor (quite a few
years ago) they were selling little booklets that would allow you to
'read' hieroglyphics based on a mapping like the one you discuss.  The 
only thing I'm not sure about is whether it was fabricated for the sole
purpose of tourists.  The reason I say this is that the tour-guide we had
would 'read' (out loud) some of the engravings on tombs/monuments, and then
translate into Arabic.  This leads me to believe that the mapping was
developed so that Egyptologists could consistently refer to different
hieroglyphic characters.

I am fairly certain, however, that the mapping is artificial.  Ancient
Egyptians did not invent a sound recorder :-).  Our understanding of
hieroglyphics dates back to the discovery of the Rosetta stone by the
French in Egypt in the early 19th century.  The stone had the same text
written in hieroglyphics as well as two other languages that were
understood (I forget which two).  The Rosetta stone was not 'multi-media'
equipped :-)

Hope this helps (Hope it was right!)

Tamer Abdelgawad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: srutt@boulder.Colorado.EDU (DNA Kaifeng)
Subject: Re: occupied newsgroup
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date:  5 Jan 93 01:54:18 GMT

abrasaw@vax1.bham.ac.uk writes:

>In the last week or so, it is pretty clear that an invasion of this
>newsgroup has been going on by our cousins. The similarity between 
>this one and the other implemented some decades ago is stiking. 
>Our cosins, being not satisfied by occupying talk.poltics.mideast 
>they have moved now to occupy this group as well. Soon we need 
>the U.N. to issue a resolution dividing this newsgroup between us 
>and them with a possibility of another cycle of coflict. In order 
>to avoid that, it may be necessary to change the newsgroup name or 
>turned it into moderated one.

Hey Cuz!
At the very least, the analogy doesn't hold because there's no net "sea"
into which we can all be pushed. Or is there?

                              -steve

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe)
Subject: Re: Hieroglyphics
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:14:35 GMT

>an egyptian does not even know his own history! hieroglyphics are by and large
>letters. there are some symbols here and there, but the vast majority are
>letters, in fact the names sound like arabic/hebrew (aleph, beth, etc.).
>
>the rosetta stone was the key to unlocking the mystery of the ancient egyptian
>writing. it dates from the time of the last ptolemeos. on it is a transcription
>of his speech. it is written in three scripts, greek, a type of cursive
>egyptian (something that looked similar to both greek and egyptian script), and
>standard egyptian script. a one to one relationship could be established
>between the words in each of the speeches and from there the deciphering of the
>egyptian writing. this was done by champoleon in the mid to late 1800's when he
>was in egypt.
>
>talk to you later
>
>zafar

Because the Egyptian culture evolved continously for so many centuries in the
Nile valley uninterrupted, we can see the development of the language in the
hieroglyphic record.  The hieretic script mentioned as the second of the bands
on the Rosetta Stone is a late phonetic system, and from this and Coptic
Egyptian language the linguists have been able to piece together some
understanding of the sounds of Ancient Egyptian language.

The hieroglyphic system was primative at first, and developed a phonetic encoding 
somewhere in the Old Kingdom.  The symbolic content of each symbol was always there, 
and continues to be even when the symbols are combined to form words.  In a way
this mirrors the Ancient Egyptian concept of the combinatorial aspect of the numinal
elements that animate all objects.

For an interesting Renaissance treatment of the importance of the "hieroglyphic
stage" in any civilization, read Vico's "Nuavo Scienza."

-- Chris Metcalfe
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:6440 soc.culture.jewish:24935
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:56:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1ide8iINNchv
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article 13475, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) says:

>Okay, it sounds like you are agreeing that what has long been
>called an Uprising or the "Intifada" is actually a bloody civil
>war with the aim of overthrowing the government and replacing it
>with an Arab and probably an Islamic government.

Oh no, Jake, that's not what I'm saying at all; I see no civil
war.

Here, let me make myself clear: What I see are Palestinians
resisting persecution and oppression by a military power that has
occupied their territory.  That's not a civil war.  That's self-
defense.

Sorry for the confusion.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: a@b.ca (G., N. M.)
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 17:55:19 GMT

In <1992Dec31.021801.16410@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad) writes:

" That's not nice, Nabeel.  I never responded to any of your messages in
" this tone (and flamatory messages they were!).  Do me the same courtesy:
" If you have anything constructive to say, say it nicely.

" Tamer Abdelgawad

   I was astounded by your statements;
   
   1. Palestine is a Muslim land
   2. Most Jews are there illegally
   3. The places is at war
   4. The ratio of Jews that can be considered civilians is negligible
   5. The other party does not treat prisoners decently   
   6. The Israili soldier was not imprisoned (did not surrender,) so, he/she/it
      can not be considered a prisoner, not to mention a civilian
   7. It is enough offense for the soldier to belong to the Israeli army,
   etc.

**

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.jewish
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 01:56:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.152114.21611@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:

>Out of curiousity, is "occupied territory" a little vague?  That is, while
>the Western press is led to interpret it as the land controlled by
>Israel past the 1949 armistice line, don't many Arabs really consider
>it all the land between Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan?

The term "Occupied Territory" is not vague at all.  It applies
exclusively to Disputed Land under Israeli control.  

Of all the border disputes in the world, the only one where the term
"Occupied Territory" is routinely applied is "Israeli Occupied
Territory", so much so that if you ask virtually anyone anywhere where
the "Occupied Territories" are, they'll answer "Palestine".

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:6428 talk.politics.mideast:25088 soc.culture.jewish:24907
From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Hieroglyphics
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:39:14 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1993Jan5.025640.27874@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad) writes:
> In article <c551Hou#vb@atlantis.psu.edu> malik@wilbur.psu.edu (Sohail Malik) writes:
>>A friend came back from Egypt with a necklace that claims to spell
>>an English name in what looks like hieroglphyic characters.
>>
>>This sounds like a fabricated hieroglyphic to English letter mapping
>>for the benefit of purveyors of tourist items because each of those
>>characters is the equivalent of a meaningful word, isn't it?
>>
>>Can anyone confirm whether this is indeed the case?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>-Sohail
> 
> My two piastres (much less than two cents these days :-) 
> 
> I believe you are correct.  I remember when I visited Luxor (quite a few
> years ago) they were selling little booklets that would allow you to
> 'read' hieroglyphics based on a mapping like the one you discuss.  The 
> only thing I'm not sure about is whether it was fabricated for the sole
> purpose of tourists.  The reason I say this is that the tour-guide we had
> would 'read' (out loud) some of the engravings on tombs/monuments, and then
> translate into Arabic.  This leads me to believe that the mapping was
> developed so that Egyptologists could consistently refer to different
> hieroglyphic characters.
> 
> I am fairly certain, however, that the mapping is artificial.  Ancient
> Egyptians did not invent a sound recorder :-).  Our understanding of
> hieroglyphics dates back to the discovery of the Rosetta stone by the
> French in Egypt in the early 19th century.  The stone had the same text
> written in hieroglyphics as well as two other languages that were
> understood (I forget which two).  The Rosetta stone was not 'multi-media'
> equipped :-)
> 
> Hope this helps (Hope it was right!)
> 
> Tamer Abdelgawad

an egyptian does not even know his own history! hieroglyphics are by and large
letters. there are some symbols here and there, but the vast majority are
letters, in fact the names sound like arabic/hebrew (aleph, beth, etc.).

the rosetta stone was the key to unlocking the mystery of the ancient egyptian
writing. it dates from the time of the last ptolemeos. on it is a transcription
of his speech. it is written in three scripts, greek, a type of cursive
egyptian (something that looked similar to both greek and egyptian script), and
standard egyptian script. a one to one relationship could be established
between the words in each of the speeches and from there the deciphering of the
egyptian writing. this was done by champoleon in the mid to late 1800's when he
was in egypt.

talk to you later

zafar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.jewish
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: Philosophy of Nationhood
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:07:22 GMT

In article <1ikh1bINNh18@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
|> 
|> If you don't get it, it should be based on  s e c u l a r i s m ...

You must be joking!.

|> 
|> btw, don't christians have a share of the pie?

I hope so. However, they are too small to make a difference in Palestine.

A.Faris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM?
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<1993Jan7.194335.20578@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
	<1993Jan8.161554.21411@ncsu.edu>
	<1993Jan8.183031.21313@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Date: 10 Jan 93 01:30:05

In article <1993Jan8.183031.21313@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
>   Further your facts are wrong, after loan repayments are made, the U.S.
>   only actually gives Israel 0.3 Billion per year.
>
>   It's not a big waste of money:  $1.25 per year you personally spend.
>   What a cheap bastard.

I've tried to duplicate the amount of $0.3 billion per year.  The only
way I could do it was to take the net foreign aid (aid minus loan
repayments) from the U.S. to Israel over the period 1945-1979.

Total aid (1945-1979):   $12.063 billion
Loan repayments:           1.377
Outstanding debt (1979):   4.396

That averages out to $0.3 billion per year.  But that calculation
doesn't take into account several important facts:

1.  The U.S. didn't give a whole lot of money to Israel at first.
Indeed, the U.S. was a bit leery of giving money to a country whose
kibbutz system seemed somehow socialistic.
2.  Inflation.  (Ever hear of that?)  This sum is not in constant
dollars, hence it is meaningless.
3.  Camp David.  We are giving Israel and Egypt lots of money because
they signed a paper in 1978.

Can you tell me how your calculation was really done?
--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM?
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:05:03 GMT

In article <EGGERTJ.93Jan4111603@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:

# In article <1993Jan4.123546.6257@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >   In article <1993Jan4.075958.1292@netcom.com> zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:

# >   # In article <4618@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:

# >   # >(Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:

# >   # >> Where do the palestinians come from?

# >   # >From : Egypt , Syria , Afgahnistan, Iran, Magrab ( North Africa),
# >   # >      Turky, Bosnia , Saudi-Arabia  ....

# >   # And where do the jews come from?

# >	   Glad you asked.

# >   # Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Germany, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria,
# >   # Morocco, France, Britain, USA, Argentina, South Africa, Australia, Tukey.

# >	   This is where the Jews came THROUGH.  It was not where they
# >   originated.  At any rate, many of those Arab countries expelled their
# >   Jews (those they did not kill) to Israel
 
# The Jews originated in Iraq.  Or at least that's where Abraham came
# from.  Israel came only later in their history.

	I will not bother to correct the above at the epresent time.
However, it does not negate my argument.

# >	   There is no "palestine?", so your point is moot.  However, Jews
# >   move to Israel because it is their heritage.
 
# You apparently prefer to pretend that there are no Arabs with any
# heritage in what is now Israel and the Occupied Territories.

	Oh really?  Where did I say this?

# Pretend
# as you will, it is not true.  The Arabs have just as much right to
# live in these areas as the Jews.

	They do have some rights here.  However, they do not have "just as
much right" on a group basis (on an individual basis they may [not
that they do, just that they may]).  And when their "right" clashes
with mine, I am not going to play second fiddle.

# And beyond mere existence, modern
# societies recognize fundamental human and civil rights, which should
# be extended to Arab and Jew alike.

	I agree.

# Your pretense to the opposite only
# comes across as brutish racism.

	There are so many problems with that I do not know where to start.
Or end.  First off, it is a lie.  Second of all, where I do
differentiate, I do so on religious and not racial grounds.  Anyone
can become a Jew.  There are other problems with your bogus insult but
I will not go into them now.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic