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From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Satellite rig: Kenwood TS-790a or Yaesu FT-736r?
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:57:08 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <92254.172957PTS102@psuvm.psu.edu> PTS102@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>The Penn State ARC (K3CR) will be buying either a Kenwood ts-790a or
>a Yaesu ts-790a for use mostly as a satellite rig.  We have the
>less-than-complete spec sheets from both companies, as well as old
>QST reviews.  We need to know how the rigs hold up in actual use.
>Any experiences/comments/opinions/suggestions would be helpful.
>73, Pat ny3x

I originally bought a Kenwood 790A to replace my lightning struck
Icom twins. I'm using a Yaesu 736R now.  Nuff said?

The Kenwood looks good in the store, but it's *not* an effective
satellite radio. For example, to make the 70 cm and 2 meter VFOs
track, you have to *hold down* the SAT button. You can buy narrow
filters for the radio, but they only work in the *main* band unit.
Meanwhile, in satellite use, you listen on the *subband* unit and
transmit on the main unit, so the narrow filters do you no good.
The 70 cm PA died in the first month of use. As usual with Kenwood
VHF/UHF equipment, there is inadequate heatsinking of the PA modules.
The top of the radio gets very hot after only a few minutes of
use. Took over a month to get it serviced too.

The Yaesu is a much nicer radio. It works the way you would want
a satellite radio to work. It's a more conservative design with
a good heatsink. It allows narrow filtering on recieve in satellite
mode. It has both IF shift and a working notch filter, a good VOX,
good audio, variable power control, etc. The only drawback to the
radio is that unlike newer dualbanders, you can't monitor two bands
at once. You can listen to either band, and transmit on either band
independently, but you can't monitor a 2 meter repeater while listening
to a 440 repeater. That's not a requirement for a satellite radio,
but the Kenwood and Icom allow you to do it.

The Kenwood has a surprisingly decent GASFET frontend that seems 
overload proof, as does the Yaesu. The much more expensive Icom 970 
is useless in a high RF environment. Otherwise, the Icom is the ideal 
satellite radio. It has all the features you would want, and then some. 
So if you live on a farm, it's worth a look.

Note that the quality of the receiver is *the* issue with satellite
radios. You're dealing with weak signals, and surprising pileups.
It helps though, if the transmitter works and the controls make
sense. Today I'd say go with the Icom Twins (275, 475) or the
Yaesu FT-736R as your best choices. The Yaesu is cheaper and all
in one box while the Twins are more flexible. I used to have an
older pair of Twins (451, 211) before lightning visited.

Gary KE4ZV
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jab0684@usl.edu (Boudreaux Jean A)
Subject: Re: DJ-580T problem with audio drop out using T-SQL
 
Keywords: Alinco DJ-580T problem tone squelch
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:39:35 GMT

Also owning a DJ580-T myself I notice a similar problem with the Tone
Squelch in repeater usage.  While I have no trouble opening up the repeater
I find the the conservation tends to come off and on even though the
Smeter has a FULL reading.  This happens whether or not I switch bands.
Sometimes the audio opens up, sometimes it dosen't.  I thought I followed 
the instructions in the manual, but I could be wrong. 

Could it be that the repeater dosen't always properly re-trans the 
sub audible tone, and that maybe it is getting clipped?

I thought that the battery save feature might be affecting this, but turning
it off seems to make little difference.

73's DE KB5UDF

kb5udf@usl.edu
.
From: leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Mark Curtis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Death to coaxial power connectors
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:32:02 GMT

In article <9209091250.AA20751@ucsd.edu>, William=E.=Newkirk%Pubs%GenAv.Mlb@ns14.cca.CR.rockwell.COM writes:
|> the problem:
|>  
|> > 4. The power supply cord is positive on the outside of the ring, which seems
|> > like a short circuit waiting to happen.
|> >
|> >This is totally brain dead.  I couldn't beleive it when I noticed this.
|> >There is no way I'm going to power one off the cig lighter and use an
|> >outside antenna.  Are their engineers Brits or something?
|>  
|> yes you can run the radio off the car power.  it's just the connector polarity
|> that's weird - you still have a negative ground car.

True, but if the collar of the BNC on the top of the HT touchs any bare
grounded metal in the car ... ZAP!  If I use an outside antenna and the
base of a mag mount/antenna grounds to anything, even for a split second,
ZAP!  No thanks.  The chance of something happening is just to high.
Now if was driving an old brit car with positive ground then it wouldn't
be a problem.

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: furtaw@comm.mot.com (Bob Furtaw)
Subject: Re: discharging batteries
Organization: Motorola
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:15:24 GMT
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc

In article <79504@ut-emx.uucp>, oo7@ut-emx.uucp (Derek Wills) wrote:
> 
> tonyp@convex.COM says:
> 
> }No it doesn't. The discharge path has to have physical existance as a
> }sheet resistance phenomenon. Batteries don't radiate. Therefore, the
> }case must have sufficient resistance to avoid self discharge directly
> }from terminal to terminal. (see points A and B in diagram) To self
> }discharge with the aid of a more conductive concrete, the resistance
> }of the case A to C and D to B plus the concrete resistance must be
> }less than the resistance from A to B. This is physically implausible.
> }
> }          A                  B
> }       ___T__________________T__
> }       |  +                  - |
> }       |                       |
> }       |      Battery          |
> }       |                       |
> }       |_______________________|
> }_______C_______________________D____________
> }           Concrete surface
> }Gary KE4ZV
> 
> >I dunno: I remember once on a StarTrek episode where they went thru
> >a concrete barrier at the end of the galaxy and it discharged all
> >their dilithium crystals...
> 
>   Well, yes, there's that too.  But mostly what happens is that the
> electricity that leaks out from A and B drips over the sides and then 
> it shorts across the concrete.   If you put wood under the battery it 
> soaks up the electricity before it can get to the concrete.
> 
>   I suggest that this topic be included in the Extra class tests, it's
> pretty important that hams know about it.  It's knowledge like this
> that distinguishes us from the CB types - they think the electricity
> leaks out at C and D - can you imagine anyone being that stupid?
> 
>   And to those doubters who don't believe that concrete is a conductor -
> I have heard that just about every building that is struck by lightning
> has concrete in it somewhere, you can't ask for better proof than that.

But there's another mystery here guys!  In the the drawing above, there is
a series circuit from B-D, D-C then C-A allowing the current (electrons) to
flow.  We all know that in a series circuit, this current flow is the same
anywhere.  So, if the number of electrons leaving the battery are the same
quantity as the ones entering the battery, then why does the battery
discharge?  ;-)  (Extra credit, Extra class question?)

Maybe this is the same problem my dad was asked when he was in the home
remodeling business.  He was asked "How many electrical outlets can I have
before I run out of the 110V?" :-) (Novice class pretest question).

Bob Furtaw - W8IL
CFI-A/G/I/MEI, CGI-A/I
All disclaimers ever written by anybody apply. :-)
From: price@cod.nosc.mil (James N. Price)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Iso-Loop info?
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:47:40 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

-------
A friend is considering buying an AEA Iso-Loop to solve his age
old problem of putting up an antenna in a no-antenna area.  But
he'd like to get some first hand testimonials (not just the ones
in the advertising literature) before plunking $300 on the counter
to buy one.

I think this has been discussed before on this newsgroup, but I
didn't read it--sorry.

Tnx in advance, 73--Jim, K6ZH
milnet: price@nosc.mil
-------
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,fido.ham-radio
From: gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org (Gary Sanders)
Subject: Rockwell Microwave gear
Organization: HAM BBS, 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/v.32/pep)
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 02:51:58 GMT


Does anyone know anything about the Rockwell/Collins 
MS228 2ghz microwave gear? Spec say 1.7 to 2.3ghz, Will
it go a little higher in the ham bands? The input and output is
at baseband level.. What in the commerical market does this interface
with?


-- 
Gary W. Sanders gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org, 72277,1325
N8EMR @ N8JYV (ip addr) 44.70.0.1 [Ohio AMPR address coordinator]
HAM BBS 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/V.32/PEP) Voice: 614-895-2552 (eves/weekends)
From: JMG%TNTECH.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu (Jeff M. Gold)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QSL info
Date: 10 Sep 1992 06:05:40 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

Does anyone know the QSL info for ST1T?

It would appreciate help.

Thanks

Jeff
From: stevej@pillock.moron.vware.mn.org (Steven Jarosh, KA0VYB)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RE: ORBITING FM REPEATER?
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 11:09:39 CDT
Organization: 11th Hour Contest Group (North American Chapter)

chrisc@ramrod.lmt.mn.org (Chris Cox) writes:

> In article <qgNFqB1w164w@pillock.moron.vware.mn.org> stevej@pillock.moron.vwa
> >From: stevej@pillock.moron.vware.mn.org (Steven Jarosh, KA0VYB)
> >Subject: RE: ORBITING FM REPEATER?
> >Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 12:22:49 CDT
> 
> >RON@NSULA.EDU (Ron Wright - NSU Computer Center) writes:
> 
> >> for AO-21 are:  Uplink 435.015 and Downlink 145.987.
> >> 
> >Why was 145.987 chosen, since only some Base and older FM units are able to 
> >dial this frequency?  
> 
> >Steve KA0VYB
> 
> Come on, Steve!
> 
> 145.800-146.000 is the International Satellite sub-band.  It needs to be 
> accessible by amateurs in Region 1, which does not have access to anything 
> above 146.000, and it shouldn't interfere with other satellites and/or 
> services.
> 
> Chris
> 
Chris,


Evidently I was not clear.  I was only addressing the .987 part. Why not 
.985 or .990, especially considering that the suggested deviation is 3kc?  
You missed the point completely.

Steve KA0VYB

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: kelly@femto.cs.umn.edu (Shaun P. Kelly)
Subject: Re: DJ-580T problem with audio drop out using T-SQL
Summary: I've had the problem
Keywords: Alinco DJ-580T problem tone squelch
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:17:56 GMT

I've encountered it.  I believe that the the 2 seconds might be in fact 
the wait for the battery saver to kick in and then when it starts up 
again it works properly?  In any case, switching the channel or frequency
back and forth will fix it without waiting...

I have also noticed that tone squelch works only on one band at a time...I've
wondered if when you switch bands it somehow forgets to tell the tone decoder
which tone to look for?  I dunno...


>Can anyone shed some light on this???
No light, just a reassurance it ain't just you...

>
>-- 
>matthew rapaport     Philosopher/Programmer At Large      KD6KVH
>           mjr@netcom.com     70371.255@compuserve.com
-shaun, n0jdt

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: rrgd50@email.sps.mot.com (Chris Terwilliger)
Subject: AO-21_with_HT
Organization: Motorola
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:58:36 GMT

Is anyone out there successfully using a 5 watt HT to work AO-21?  If so,
what antenna configuration(s) are you using?



* Chris Terwilliger, KB7PPT                rrgd50@email.sps.mot.com *
* Motorola                        "And now, the sequence of events, *
* 2100 E. Elliot Rd. EL374         in no particular order."         *
* Tempe, AZ  85284                                     - Dan Rather *
From: clemon@lemsys.UUCP (Craig Lemon VE3XCL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: batteries on concrete
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 06:47:26 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Private UUCP "Twig" Node
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

In article <1992Sep8.201202.18782@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, John Derry writes:

> But indoor concrete floors don't get very cold.  No.  The opposition to
> concrete floors is due to the fact that it's concrete, not that it might  
> be cold.  Hey, many cars sit out all winter in extremely cold weather.
> 
> I think that at one time the myth probably came from some type of logical  
> reasoning, but no one seems to know what it is.  You may be close.

        Well, not that I have any idea why, but I do have this lead-acid
battery that I was keeping in the basement, on cement, for a rainy day.  I
noticed that every time I checked it it was weak and I figured that the
thing was no good because it couldn't stay fully charged (with no load) for
even a week or two).  When I started powering my radio from it and moved it
onto carpet, I once ran it for 3-4 weeks with no degredation in voltage
during transmit.  I ended up charging it for fun, not because I needed to. 
I can't explain it, I just observed it.  I didn't know about this myth
until I saw it here.

> 
> tnx es 73 de Jack, K9CUN
--
 Craig Lemon VE3XCL (Advanced) - Kitchener, Ontario. Amiga B2000  OS 2.04
 +1 519 741 0297    +1 519 578 7817              | 1A Electrical Engineering
 clemon@lemsys.UUCP clemon%lemsys@xenitec.on.ca  |  University of Waterloo
 IP/Packet: ve3xcl@ve3xcl.ampr.org [44.135.84.51]|        Fall 1992
From: horak@convex.com (David Horak)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: pro2006 mods needed
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:03:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.horak.715964637
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


I finally bought the scanner I've always wanted. I've done plenty of mods
on my pro34. Now I want to mod my pro2006. I HAVE THE CELLULAR MOD. Any
other mods would be helpful. SPECIFICALLY, HAS ANYONE FIGURED A WAY TO 
OPEN UP UHF TV? DOES ANYONE KNOW IF CLIPPING D503 SPEEDS UP THE SCAN RATE?

Again, any mods are welcome. 

David Horak
horak@convex.com
From: stevej@pillock.moron.vware.mn.org (Steven Jarosh, KA0VYB)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Excellent customer service story
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:46:37 GMT
Organization: 11th Hour Contest Group (North American Chapter)

<tonyp@cnvxla.COM> (good, Conan - good!) writes:

> In article <BtEoqq.52x@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tlc20700@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas L
> }mikemr@microsoft.COM writes:
> }
> }>I recently bought an old, used Bird model 4314 peak-reading
> 
> 		    [STUFF DELETED]
> }
> }Hey KENWOOD, ICOM, YAESU!!!!!!   Listen up!!!!
> }
> }Some American companies have found ways to beat the Japanese in the 
> }microwave, SATCOM, and fiber optic industries... better customer 
> }service... and it looks like it's spreading to amateur radio.
> }
> 
> That's correct: I've found that TEN-TEC is EXCELLENT when it comes to
> working with customers. Their tech support is tops. 
> 
> I've also seen some of the horror stories on here of people who have
> had problems dealing with some of the [above] trademarks.
> 
> If you want to see how cranked-off AES is with ICOM, take a look in
> the index section of their catalog and see how they BLAST ICOM. 
> --
> Tony J. Podrasky |  What's this thing?
>  San Diego , Ca   |  It's called a MODEM.
> tonyp@convex.com |  And what's this button for? 
> WA2EAA NNNN ZCZC  |  Whatever you do, don't touc{{{7bh6xx!{@%%hxbd&$#)$% NO C


Now, if they would only make some VHF/UHF/SHF equipment!!

Steve KA0VYB
        (Microwavers do it with higher frequency)
From: gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org (Gary Sanders)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hurricane hits Hawaii
Keywords: public service
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:20:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HAM BBS, 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/v.32/pep)

In article <1992Sep12.040702.16400@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) writes:
>Just saw on ABC's Nightline About ham radio operators being the only
>Nightline interviewed an amateur (think his call WD8JDY, was in backround 


I believe it was wd6jdy. Isnt that the kenwood radio club call???



-- 
Gary W. Sanders gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org, 72277,1325
N8EMR @ N8JYV (ip addr) 44.70.0.1 [Ohio AMPR address coordinator]
HAM BBS 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/V.32/PEP) Voice: 614-895-2552 (eves/weekends)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: zardoz@rx-db (zardoz@rx-db.hf.intel.com)
Subject: Re: more about ham legends
Organization: Intel Development Tools Operation, Hillsboro, OR
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:33:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.225259.19680@ryn.mro4.dec.com> pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson) writes:
>
>	About the batteries.  I tend to agree with the "its nonsense" school,
>	except that sometimes, there's a grain of truth.  One (tho incapable of
>	draining a battery in 36 hours...) goes thusly:
>		The concrete floor is COOLER than the air.  Thus the bottom of
>		the battery is COOLER.  The voltage of a battery depends on the
>		TEMPERATURE.  This means (maybe) a difference in voltage between
>		the top and bottom of each cell.  Leading to circulating
>		currents.  And discharge.
>
>	The wood rack prevents this by thermal insulation.  Likewise, an auto
>	battery stays fairly isothermal.
>
Finally a posting with common sense.  Practical experience has taught me to
not only keep batteries off of cold floors but to take them all inside
where its warm during winter.  In the Northwest you can leave your batteries
on concrete or anywhere else except underwater all summer long with no ill
effect but if you leave them outside or one cold surfaces during WINTER,
you should not be surprised to find a sulphated, NO-Good battery come
spring.  Concrete or cement has a high specific heat value meaning it is
slow to change temperature compared to ambient.  In winter these surfaces
remain colder all day than surrounding air temps due to thermal retention
and contact with the cold, cold ground.
One poster mentioned a comparison between discharge rates of a battery
on concrete and one next to it on wood.  There was no difference but I
did note that he also mentioned performing this at a gas station where
he had a summer job.  Once again, summer doesn't count.  Neither does
Georgia or southern CA I would hazard to guess.

My next posting will be about how to match a 30 ohm antenna to a 50 ohm
transmitter using odd lengths of coax.

WA7LDV

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.noncomm
From: pschleck@cwis.unomaha.edu (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
Subject: F***ed up DJ's
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:45:42 GMT

To the foul-mouthed DJ's from a North Carolina college radio station:

Us techie types are always sympathetic to college stations in need, but
let me make some suggestions to help endear you to the Usenet community:

- Hams (rec.radio.amateur.misc) are generally a conservative lot, and
don't take kindly to messages carpeted with obscenities.

- Usenetter's in general are turned off by multiply-posted (rather than
cross-posted) messages with "HELP PLEASE" in the Subject (as if there
aren't 2000 frivolous posts in the news spool with the same Subject).

So, if you really want some assistance, how about rephrasing your
request in a form presentable to polite company?

Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU

pschleck@unomaha.edu
From: turner@safety.ics.uci.edu (Clark Savage Turner)
Subject: Re: American manufacturers of ham gear.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:32:04 GMT
Distribution: usa

Probably been said before, but ATLAS radio is back in business and
about to produce the Atlas 310, a no frills, but good basic HF radio
-- with a price tag of about $700 (as introductory price).  The price
is not a bunch lower than the Japanese no frills rigs but the ATLAS
will have several advantages:
 - 150 watts output (a little higher than average)
 - smaller package (great for mobile)
 - very serviceable boards, no special chips, etc.  (how Atlas builds them)
 - analog dial backup below digital readout (can switch off digital to save
current)
 - crystal mixing for receiver, no phase noise like in synthesized designs

And other standard features like all the other low end HF rigs.
I am not here to push the Atlas (but I am really happy they are back),
in fact, I own ancient Ten Tec radios that I like a lot.

73

.....................

Clark Savage Turner, Graduate Student Researcher
Safety Critical Software Group			home:
Department of Info. and Computer Science	1514 Verano Place
Irvine, CA. 92717				Irvine, CA. 92715
(714) 856 4049					(714) 856 2131

WA3JPG, QRP #3526, active on HF, VHF and UHF.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: tkelso@afit.af.mil (TS Kelso)
Subject: Two-Line Orbital Element Set:  Space Shuttle
Keywords: Space Shuttle, Orbital Elements, Keplerian
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:56:29 GMT

The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are
carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when
possible).  Documentation and tracking software are also available on this
system.  As a service to the satellite user community, the most current
elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below.  The Celestial
BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using
8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.

Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation
and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil
(129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space.

STS 47     
1 22120U 92 61  A 92256.65956585 -.00000390  00000-0  00000+0 0    14
2 22120  56.9995 107.3006 0009560 279.4756  80.5384 15.89196901    06
-- 
Dr TS Kelso                           Assistant Professor of Space Operations
tkelso@afit.af.mil                    Air Force Institute of Technology
From: yee@mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: American manufacturers of ham gear.
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:04:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In response to my post, ken@swbatl.sbc.com (Ken Gianino 5-9081) writes:
> SGC Inc. Bellevue, WA tel (206) 746-6310
> Kachina Communications (Sedona, AZ tel 602-282-4837) 
> Transworld (Escondido, CA  tel.619-747-1079) 
> Then of course there is the Harris RF-3200 series -radio of choice

Thus, you have listed 4 American manufacturers of HF gear.  I was
talking to a long time ham last week with the question you answered
(about a low cost, high performance HF rig).  He replied that there
are NO American manufacturers of HF gear with the exception of TenTec.
It is absolutely amazing what marketing can do.  Are there other
American manufacturers?  Preferably one who hasn't gone
bell-and-whistle crazy like all Yaesu/Kenwood/etc.  All I want is
maintainability by the enduser (i.e. no custom chips, only off the
shelf components and preferably no surface mount technology) and high
RF performance.  Are there manufacturers who are neither American nor
Japanese?








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