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From: keithl@klic.rain.com (Keith Lofstrom)
Subject: Re: Veg burgers
Organization: Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 03:28:42 GMT

In article <ELI.92Jul30103457@regal.cisco.com> eli@cisco.com (Steve Elias) writes:
>many veggie burgers are chock full of oil and calories from the oil.
>more so than a decent hamburger!  read those labels...
>there are a few varieties on the market and at least one brand
>has fewer than 20% of calories from fat.

I am overly sensitive to mushrooms (sigh...).  I have found vegiburgers are
either (1) High Fat  or (2) Contain Mushrooms or (3) both.  Are there any
brands that are low fat ( < 5g each ) and made without mushrooms, and don't
taste like dried oatmeal?

Keith
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Xref: sparky rec.food.veg:7303 rec.arts.books:13082
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: B12 strikes again!
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:23:00 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1641@heurikon.heurikon.com> gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor) writes:
>proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) quotes this:
>>``D---- was alive again. Consciousness was upon him before
>>  he could get out of the way; not for him the slow, gracious
>> [...]
>>  him beat like a pulse. His mouth had been used as a latrine
>>  by some small creature of the night, and then as its mausoleum.
>>  During the night, too, he'd somehow been on a cross-country run
>>  and then expertly beaten up by secret police. He felt bad.''
>
>Sh*t. I *hate* unattributed quotes, and I've read this [particularly
>the latrine/mausoleum bit]...it's taken the entire morning or banging
>my head against the terminal. The best I can do is to think that it's
>Kingsley Amis from "Lucky Jim." Izzatit?
>

Quite right! 

I guess I was being deliberately coy (e.g. "D----" for "Dixon"), because
I know people enjoy guessing at these things (on rec.arts.book, anyway).

Hope niether your head nor terminal are too badly damaged.

Paul
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: cigno@sgi.com (Kevin Walsh)
Subject: Re: High fat = low sex drive
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:17:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.003610.9997@news.eng.convex.com> jjohnson@convex.com (Jennifer L. Johnson) writes:
>
>High fat = low sex drive
>

	The statement above does not follow from the paragraph you quote
	below.  The statement is also ambiguous.  The equals sign in
	mathematics means that two things are identical in value.  In
	many computer languages, the equals sign assigns the following
	value to the preceding variable.  However, your statement seems 
	to imply that high fat diminishes the sex drive.  By mixing 
	the media of English and mathematics (or possibly computer 
	programming) you create an ambiguous statement.  As a technique 
	of rhetoric, using the equals sign lets your statement borrow
	the reputation of mathematics for precision.  If you are trying
	to persuade, it is not irrational to use this trick, just 
	unscrupulous.   

>"A study at the University of Utah Medical Center found that testosterone
>(sex hormone) levels in men fell by 30 percent within four hours of their
>eating a high-fat (57%) meal, whereas hormone levels stayed the same for
>men who had consumed a low-fat (2%) meal.

	The male sex drive does not arise simply from the levels of
	testosterone or other sex-related hormones in the blood.  
	The same can be said for the female sex drive. 

>
>			-Self Magazine, Aug/1992
>
>
	... a paragon of journalistic excellence
--
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From: susan@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: migraine and cheese ...
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:42:26 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Jul15.144709.5900@muppet.bt.co.uk>, phil@muppet.bt.co.uk (Phil) writes:
> hi netpeople,
> 
> Anybody out there got any thoughts on the relationship between
> vegetarian cheese and migraine compared to ordinary and migraine? My
> daughter has just got another migraine, is a vegetarian, but loves the
> cheese the doctor told her not to eat for a while.
> 
I have been reading about food allergies recently in an attempt to control
my headaches and migraines and stomach upsets. 

One book (sorry can't remember which one) says that vegetarian cheeses
are often a good replacement for non-veg cheeses. This does however
depend on whether your daughter's particular migraines are caused by an
intolerance to dairy, or to rennett. If she can stand it, try experimenting.
Remove cheese completely from her diet (and yours to make it easier
for her), see what happens. Add veg-cheese back in and then non-veg
cheese. Note reactions in all cases and see what you come up with.
This book says a week without (to purify!) and then add in at 2 day
intervals, removing again if you get a reaction.

Regards, and good luck
Susan
From: zeke@reed.edu (Zeke Koch)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Good Thai Recipies! (Vegan)
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:13:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul23.171334.3031
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

>tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>>abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT) writes:
>>> I wrote

>[....]
>>>1 cup tofu (cubed)
>>>1 egg
>> 
>> *** ??? ***
>> 
>>>1 medium tomatoe (diced)
>> 
>> Dan Quayle for president

I have been adding e's to my vegetable names in hope that one day I
will reach the oval office.  I guess I should take some latin classes?

>> Vegetarian only, please.

I'm sorry about the egg actually I'm not really vegan.  I'm a
lactose intolerant vegetarian.  As a result (and my opinion of the
dairy industry) I have decided to become ovo-vegetarian.  I do eat
free-range eggs occasionally.  

>
>I *DON'T* believe it.  Zeke goes through the trouble to post a whole
>bunch of recipes and you flame him for including *ONE* ovo one?  Sheesh,
>just leave out the egg.

*blush* thank you for the support.

Zeke

-- 
                           zeke@reed.edu 
"NeXT has made it possible for Tiny Tim to over-extend himself and buy
a Ferrari for the price of a Hundai and now Tiny Tim is pissed because
the gas station attendant won't sell him gas for 3 cents a gallon."
From: rodneys@Apple.COM (Rodney Somerstein)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Aspartame
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:45:00 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01) writes:

>>
>>What is so bad about sugar?  I ask this for curiosity sake, not to try to
>>promote sugar consumption, so no flames please.
>>

>I've heard that it's filtered using animal bones.

I have followed the arguments here about processed sugar being filtered by
animal bones.  What I am really curious about, though, is the health aspects
of sugar.  What are the effects of sugar on the human body?

-Rodney

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From: fawcett@unix1.cs.umass.edu (Tom Fawcett)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: SUMMER FUN
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:46:42 GMT
Reply-To: fawcett@unix1.cs.umass.edu (Tom Fawcett)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Jul24.113922.162@lrc.edu> blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:
>[deer killing story]

Yeah, you told us already.
They, um, don't give you much to do there at Lenoir-Rhyne College, eh?
From: bwqj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: looking for a yogurt maker
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:28:42 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

I've recently been looking for some sort of machine which makes yogurt
(nonfrozen) without much success.  A friend of mine in college had one 
but I have no idea what brand it was or where she got it.  Does anyone
know if these things are still made, where I might be able to get one,
and what features I should look for in a quality machine?  Replies via
email would be appreciated.
-- 
Mark North
Dept. of Mechanical and Aerspace Engineering
Cornell University
email: bwqj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
From: amacdona@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: ? Veg Restaurants in Toronto and Nova Scotia
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:20:03 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <bayomi.6@bldghsc.lan1.umanitoba.ca>, bayomi@bldghsc.lan1.umanitoba.ca (Dennis Bayomi) writes:
> Anyone know of any good vegetarian restaurants in Toronto and/or Nova 
> Scotia ?
> 
> Cheers, 
>    Dennis
>  
> Winnipeg, CANADA
In Halifax, N.S. there are some very good places for veggies to eat:
1: Satisfaction Feast on Grafton St - totally vegetarian - really good soup!
2: King Spring Roll on Barrington St
and
3: Saigon de la Nuit on Argyle St. are both Vietnamese restaurants with
   some very good vegetarian offerings - spring rolls, curries, soups, rice...
4: Curry Village on Clyde St - an Indian restaurant (mentioned in Where to 
   Eat in Canada, 1991 or 92) with a good selection of vegetarian things.
   Also, if you ask the waiter, you can get a vegetarian version of non-veg 
   things.
5: The Granite Brewery on Barrington St. doesn't have very many veggie items,
   but if you are in the mood for vegetable chili, this place has the best
   I've ever had.  (They also brew their own beer - goes well with the chili)
   I think they have a pub in TO, but I'm not sure where.
6: Samosa Plus on Quinpool Rd. has daily vegetarian specials and good, spicy
   samosas.
7: This is not a restaurant, but a health food store if you're interested
   in "do it yourself" - Mary Jane's Alternative Tastes on Hollis St.

In Baddeck, N.S. there are two stores that serve big veggie sandwiches on 
fresh home-made bread, interesting salads, soups, various bakery goodies, and
other munchies.
These are:
1: The HerringChoker Deli in Nyanza (about 10k before Baddeck) - which also
   sells good veggie food.
2: The HighWheeler Cafe on the main street in Baddeck.

In Antigonish there is a place called the Sunflower (I think) that does
sandwiches, salads, baked things, etc, and is also a "health food store".
It's on the main street, but I don't know what the street's called.

That's about it - Good Luck!

Allison MacDonald
From: wheeler@SUPER.ORG (Ferrell S. Wheeler)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Cow's Milk and Type I Diabetes
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:59:09 GMT



PROTEIN IN MILK MAY TRIGGER DIABETES AMONG JUVENILES
--New York Times News Service

    WASHINGTON--Many cases of juvenile insulin-dependent diabetes may be
triggered by an immune response to proteins in cow's milk in infants who
are genetically disposed to the disease, researchers said Wednesday.
    A study by researchers at the University of Toronto's Hospital for
Sick Children rasies the possibility that children with a genetic
disposition to diabetes might be able to avoid the disease if their
parents eliminate milk and dairy products from their diet for several
months after birth.
    But several experts said that although the findings are intriguing,
it is too early to recommend that parents withhold nutritious dairy
products from their children in hopes of avoiding diabetes.
    Researchers said there are probably other yet-to-be-discovered
environmental factors, including food components, common chemical
substances and disease organisms, that also set off immune system
reactions that could lead to juvenile diabetes, a condition afflicting
about 1.5 million Americans.
    Dr. Hans-Michael Dosch, the senior investigator on the cow's milk
study, said studies involving almost 400 children with Type I, or
juvenile-onset, diabetes indicate that an immunologic reaction to a
protein in cow's milk appears to be a factor in developing the disease
in a majority of cases.
    "Based on our results, we think it's too early to make any general
recommendations about avoiding cow's milk without further study," Dosch
said in a telephone interview.  "But you are safe in recommending breast
feeding for as long as possible before going to formula because studies
clearly show that breast feeding reduces the risk of developing diabetes
two to three fold in those disposed to the disease."
    Researchers in Canada, including some from the University of Toronto
group, are about to begin a large study with 3,000 to 4,000 children to
see if avoiding the suspect cow's milk protein during nursing will cut
the incidence of juvenile diabetes, which afflicts 1 in 500 people under
the age of 20.
    Forty percent to 50 percent of the risk of developing Type I
diabetes appears to depend on hereditary factors, he said, but fewer
than 1 percent of people at risk of developing diabetes actually get the
disease.  He said this indicates that it must be possible to avoid
environmental factors that trigger the disease and that it is worthwhile
to think about diabetes prevention.
    Sara King, research director for the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation,
said her organization is "intrigued" by the findings.
    "I would not advise people to take children off cow's milk because
it is premature to make such a strong recommendation until there is more
evidence," King said, "but it certainly is possible to avoid milk and
milk products, and to do that safely."

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,alt.co-ops,uiuc.general
From: jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc)
Subject: Re: Co-op house forming in Urbana for fall, veg-friendly
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: il
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 04:52:38 GMT
Keywords: housing, vegetarian, roommate wanted, $200 or less, Urbana

jrw27953@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon W.) writes:

>	        Six or seven people would live in the house.

If I remember correctly, there is an ordinance in either U or C, 
or maybe both, or maybe its a county or even state law, that no more
than 4 unrelated people can live in the same place.  I dont know how
they define a "place" though.  If >4 people are living there and
someone complains, anyone whose name isnt on the lease will get
kicked out.  Not a pleasant thing to deal with.

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: drew@cs.anu.edu.au (Drew Corrigan)
Subject: Opinions on 'food combining' sought
Organization: Computer Science Department, ANU, Australia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:01:24 GMT

I am new to this newsgroup so this may have been discussed before. I
have been reading a lot about diets and dieting lately, and a number
of authors (Australian and American) strongly advocate the concept
that certain groups of foods should not be eaten together (while it
is okay to combine others). The theory goes that different foods
require different chemical reactions to be digested efficiently,
and that by jumbling the whole lot in together opposing chemical
reactions go on at the same time in the stomach and this hinders
efficient digestion.

On the other hand, one book described the idea as the latest 'fad'
(although I think the principles date back to the earlier part of this
century and a fellow called "Hay"). It is generally acknowledged as not
being scientifically proven.

Yet again, many follow this approach and claim to feel much better 
for doing it. Most who follow this system have also adopted a low fat,
low sugar, low salt diet, high in fruits and vegetables, etc.. Are
they simply experiencing the benefits of such a change in diet, or
is the food combining also responsible for a further "lift"?

I am confused, and genuinely interested in attempting to understand
the subject more fully. Any pointers would be helpful.

Thanks,

Drew Corrigan    (drew@cs.anu.edu.au)

PS   If this is not the appropriate group for discussing these kinds of
     things, please let me know which one is!
-- 
  You are what you are and where you are
    because of what has gone into your mind.
  You can change what you are and where you are
    by changing what goes into your mind.
From: lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Quorn (was: Tissue Culture)
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:06:19 GMT
Reply-To: lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson)
Organization: ACUSON, Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Jul30.082543.29740@rtf.bt.co.uk> traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:

>There is no way in a million years that quorn can be considered vegan.
>It also is not considered vegetarian by the UK Vegetarian society. This
>is because the product uses the albumen of eggs from battery hens. The

Perhaps I am misreading this.  Are you saying that Quorn is rejected
because it is made using eggs?  I thought non-vaygun (I spel fonetikly)
vegetarians accepted (in general) the use of eggs.

-- 
Drew Lawson                      If you're not part of the solution,
lawson@acuson.com                you're part of the precipitate
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: krissie@locus.com (Krissie Griffiths)
Subject: Re: Leatherless shoes
Keywords: shoes
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:11:18 GMT

In article <1197@elan.Elan.COM> kg@elan.Elan.COM (Ken Greer) writes:
>Does anyone know where I might be able to buy non-leather
>"cowboy" boots?  I'd like to get them for horseback riding and
>country-western dancing. Thanx.

believe it or not K-MART for about 30 bucks.  also heartland products has
an 800 number and they carry cowboy boots.

kg


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Subject: Re: Help: looking for vegan version of butter icing.
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:00:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.142730.17203@bcrka451.bnr.ca> poirier@bnr.ca (Daniel Poirier) writes:
>The problem is that I can't stand the taste
>of margarine (it fools my taste buds into believing I'm eating a mouthfull
>of petroleum jelly along with a dash of Quaker-State 10W30 engine oil, 
>with a touch of salt). Maybe I'm using the wrong brands of margarine,
>but they all taste pretty gross to me.

If margarine tastes like petroleum jelly then I guess butter tastes
like lard.->

>I'm afraid my cake would be ruined if I smothered it with that 
>much margarine.

Why not try it? If you can find Vitasieg where you are I recommend
that, we make some great cakes with it and I have made a pretty
decent chocolate icing once (not something I make very often though).

Try it out once before your sister's birthday, you haven't really
got that much to lose have you?


-- 
Michael Traub
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Sugars (Re: Aspartame)
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:43:11 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Jul20.203501.8003@acuson.com>, lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson) writes:
> In article <1992Jul18.140138.4325@rtf.bt.co.uk> traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul18.010021.2759@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>>In article <1992Jul17.094441.5652@iscsvax.uni.edu> howard@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>>>I agree with Cher about the sugar part. But I prefer sweeteners like
>>>>brown rice syrup, maple syrup, date sugar, and concentrated fruit juice. 
>>>
>>>Which are all sugar.
>>>
>>'Fraid not, the above consist of fructose, not sugar (sucrose). They also
>>have a lower percentage of simple carbohydrates than sugar.
> 
> Please do check the definition of a sugar.
> 
> Fructose, sucrose, maltose, glucose are _all_ sugars.
> 
> (and none of them eat animals) ;=)
> -- 
> Drew Lawson                      If you're not part of the solution,
> lawson@acuson.com                you're part of the precipitate


But they are not white, refined sugar. A letter was posted from 
C&H Sugar company about a month ago which stated that white, refined
sugar is made white by filtering it through dried cattle bones. Wishing
to not use animal products, this makes white, refined sugar unacceptable
to me. 

C&H does make a product that is raw sugar, also known a turbinado sugar. 
Since raw sugar is not made white(it is brownish in color), no animal
products are used in its production. It is still a sucrose, made
from sugar cane. 

As I understand it, sugar products such as brown rice syrup, maple
syrup, date sugar, and concentrated fruit juices are fructose sugars, 
not sucrose. These products give a moderate sweetness. As they contain
more complex carbohydrates than simple sugars, they enter the bloodsteam
more slowly, and do not provide that "high" that is followed by a sharp
"low", which encourages a sugar craving bordering on addiction. Try
using these products for a month, then have a candy bar made with regular
sugar- you may actually feel dizzy by the rush of the sucrose. There is
a book called "Sugar Blues" which discusses these effects- I don't have
the author with me. 

I have another reason for using especially brown rice syrup. It is 
a product made from organic brown rice, by Lundberg Farms in (I think)
California. I have a great desire for farming in the United States
to move towards using less chemicals, and am willing to support with
my shopping dollars products that are made in this way. I'm not willing
to forgo sweets altogether- so using a sweetener that is made in the 
U.S., organically, seems to me to be a good compromise. In the original
post I said I use these products in moderation (the timing of my other
thread is coincidence! I'm freezing all that stuff!). Using brown 
rice syrup is, well, patriotic (a few bars of "God bless America" should
be hummed here....).


-Mary Howard
From: mark3@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Mark Magennis)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: What I enjoy doing on a summer's day...
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:00:19 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

Snigger, snigger. Smirk! Childish twat.
-- 

_______________________________________________________________________
mark3@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk		Mark Magennis
				Dept. of Computing Science
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT)
Subject: Re: Good Thai Recipies! (Vegan)
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:46:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.115151.4300@bb1t.monsanto.com> tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.141930.28533@abo.fi>, abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul20.174145.13482@reed.edu> zeke@reed.edu (Zeke Koch) writes:
>[....]
>>>1 cup tofu (cubed)
>>>1 egg
>> 
>> *** ??? ***
>> 
>>>1 medium tomatoe (diced)
>> 
>> Dan Quayle for president
>>>
>>>I will send more shortly!
>> 
>> Vegetarian only, please.
>
>I *DON'T* believe it.  Zeke goes through the trouble to post a whole
>bunch of recipes and you flame him 

There is no flame. I am polite enough to avoid inflamatory words.

> for including *ONE* ovo one?  Sheesh,
> just leave out the egg.

Eggs are by no means vegetarian. Before you tell me to read the FAQ, I
will say that I don't agree with everything  that is in there. I don't
want any more of the kind of experience I had in Vienna - I was  asked
if beef was OK when I said I was vegetarian. Thanks to the definitions
of vegetarianism.
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