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From: m1slw01@fed.frb.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Greece
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:01:04 GMT
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>From: agraham@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Andrea Graham (Andy))
>Newsgroups: misc.education
>Subject: Greece
>Message-ID: <1992Nov16.211508.20328@norfolk.vak12ed.edu>
>Date: 16 Nov 92 21:15:08 GMT
>Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Norfolk)

>We are members of the Model United Nations and we are
>researching various topics about Greece.  Specifically,
>politics, health for the 21st century, economy, security,
>foreign policy, history, etc.  
>
>We would like to connect to someone from Greece to expand on
>these topics.  We are high school age and this project is going
>to be used Model United Nations delegations. 
>
>Thanks,
>Joe for Mrs. Graham

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>From: agraham@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Andrea Graham (Andy))
>Newsgroups: misc.education
>Subject: Greece
>Message-ID: <1992Nov16.211508.20328@norfolk.vak12ed.edu>
>Date: 16 Nov 92 21:15:08 GMT
>Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Norfolk)

>We are members of the Model United Nations and we are
>researching various topics about Greece.  Specifically,
>politics, health for the 21st century, economy, security,
>foreign policy, history, etc.  
>
>We would like to connect to someone from Greece to expand on
>these topics.  We are high school age and this project is going
>to be used Model United Nations delegations. 
>
>Thanks,
>Joe for Mrs. Graham

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:10695 soc.culture.yugoslavia:9578 soc.culture.europe:9645
From: papad@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk (Pythagoras Papadimitriou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Minorities in Greece and Turkey
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:01:40 GMT
Organization: The Outlaws

Keywords: 

In 1923 there were 200000 Greeks in Turkey (mainly in Konstantinopolis(Istambul))
and now there are 4000. According to the Turkish democratic laws, the Greek children
have to say everyday ' How Happy I am because I was born Turk '.


In 1923 there were 110000 Muslims in Greece, mainly in West Thrace, and now
there are 110000. Thousands of them have emigrated to Germany exploiting
the fact that they hold EEC passport, otherwise their number would be almost
the double. When I visited Xanthi and Komotini I saw their priests shouting
from their mosques. Here in England, there is a large number of muslims but
they do not have the right to scream from their mosques.


The latest report from Amnesty International was plain and clear. The question is
what do they think that they can prove people hiding behind the coward nick-name
Sedar Argic accusing Greece. Personally, I am very happy because the enemies of
my country are so intelligent.

Pythagoras Papadimitriou
University of Manchester
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:10656 soc.culture.yugoslavia:9560 soc.culture.europe:9616
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: Scopjian Flag
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:22:07 GMT

In article <zoltan.38.722054876@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au> zoltan@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (Zoltan Schreter) writes:
>
>I often wonder reading this newsgroup how it is possible that not a single 
>Greek has an opinion different from the official Greek position.
>I only saw similar behaviour in citizens of the previous Eastern Block.
>(remember the 99.83 % votes for the communist governments?)
>However, while those people could claim fear being their motive to parrot
>the official positions so closely, modern day Greeks do not have this
>excuse. I addition, my impression is that most of these Greek defenders
>of their supposed heritage have a bad - aggressive, arrogant - attitude
>in this issue. Show me a counter example, if I am not correct, but postings
>like I am answering now seem to prove my point.
>
>Zoltan Schreter
>University of Tasmania at Hobart
>Australia

 There are about 10% of Greeks who don't follow the same fears about
 the Balkan developments like the 90%; these are the ex-pro-Moscow
 communists.

 As far as unanimity and historical claims, see what happened when
 West-East Germany united. Why not the Greeks.

 As far as US and Australia, who have externinated any indigenous
 counterculture (politically dangerous) and they have all the comfort
 of owning a whole continent to buffer them from the rest of their
 competitors, it is understandable to permit a certain level of opposite
 opininons with less force (not always though; it depends on the chances
 of the external danger, as MacCarthism has proved).

 Gr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Scopjian Flag
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:51:04 GMT

cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:

>the modern Greeks
>are equally unrelated to the ancient Macedonians as the inhabitants of
>the Republic of Macedonia.

 Have you ever taken a Math class FAT?  Greeks have been living continously
 in Macedonia for thousands of years.  Although it would be incorrect to
 say that there has been no mixing between Greeks, Bulgarians, and Turks,
 it would also be outrageous to claim that the Greeks of Macedonia are
 unrelated to ancient Macedonians.

 The name Macedonia has been used by Greeks for thousands of years, and 
 certainly is not a recent phenomenon.  Have you ever heard about the
 dynasty of Macedones in Byzantine era?

 Panos Tamamidis
From: varnavas@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (varnavas constantine)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: computer terminology in Greek
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:58:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxtJ4x.40v
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

filippou@cs.mcgill.ca (Dimitrios FILIPPOU) writes:

>         Tsou, re Laki!
>kai
>         Mana mou, ta koumpouria sou!

>:-) :-) :-)

>Panta dikos sas,

>Dimitris

H frash "Tsou re Laki" metafrazetai sta Agglika opws akrivws kai
sta Ellhnika dhladh "Tsou re Laki".  O logos einai oti h lexh "tsou" einai
hxhtikh kai den metafrazetai, h lexh re einai morio, kai o Lakis einai
kurio onoma.  Exisou kalh metafrash 0a htan "Tsou you Laki!" :-)

Ligo sovara twra.  Re paidia, mhpws 0a eprepe na parete thn suzhthsh sto
proswpiko epipedo?  Exete arxisei na asxoleiste me leptomereies tou
typou diermhneas - diermhneuths pou den aforoun tous perissoterous apo
mas.  Lew, mhpws ...?
-- 
Constantinos Varnavas
University of Illinois
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Trip to Skopje, 9/92
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:14:56 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Lynn Gazis-Sax <lgsax@igc.apc.org> writes:
>The money,
>however, is new, covered with pictures of women picking crops and,
>in one denomination, a woman at a computer terminal.

But the White Tower in Tessaloniki which all the Greeks talk about?

Damn, you cannot trust these people.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Scopjian Flag
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:42:07 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

> 
>>I'm not but you are.  This is the Argead claim which rests on the
>>Herodotus story.  Once again Isocrates is willing to buy this, but it
>>says nothing about the status of the Macedonians indeed the speech
>>implies that while the Argeads are Greek the people they rule over
>>aren't. 
> 
>>Andy
> 
>  Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Isocrates was an ignorant person.  Thousands of years
>  later, the famous historian FAT is not "willing to buy" it.

Polyconstanantal scarasm is another Greek trait it appears. No he wasn't
an ignorant person, he was a clever person arguing from a certain point
of view, just like Demosthenes. You tell us we must reject Demosthenes
because he's biassed, but then turn round and tell us to accept
Isocrates as if he was not biassed. Isn't it just the case that
Isocrates' bias fits yours and Demosthenes' doesn't? Or perhaps
Isocrates was clever enough simply to take you in with his rhetoric.

Andy
 
>  FAT you should be awarded the title of bullshitologist.  You deserve it
>  100%.  You have worked hard for it.

Flattery will get you nowhere. 
> 

Andy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Scopjian Flag
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:24:41 GMT

cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:

>> So Philip is Greek according to Isocrates, eh? Why are you
>> bullshitting this network then?

>I'm not but you are.  This is the Argead claim which rests on the
>Herodotus story.  Once again Isocrates is willing to buy this, but it
>says nothing about the status of the Macedonians indeed the speech
>implies that while the Argeads are Greek the people they rule over
>aren't. 

>Andy

 Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Isocrates was an ignorant person.  Thousands of years
 later, the famous historian FAT is not "willing to buy" it.

 FAT you should be awarded the title of bullshitologist.  You deserve it
 100%.  You have worked hard for it.

 Enjoy,

 Panos Tamamidis
From: gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros Gavrilakis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: The small print
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:58:40 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne



News that did not make headlines :

<<Request for Extradition: Greece has placed a request with Interpol
for the extradition of five Palestinians implicated in the attack
against the Greek Liner "City of Poros" in 1988, of which
Mehri Mehieddine was arrested last Friday in Dresden.>>

-----------

<<Roads in Latvia and Turkey are among the most dangerous in the world,
and India has the highest overall death toll from automotive crashes,
according to a survey. The report by the International Road Federation
in Geneva also showed that Hong Kong has the highest density of vehicles
on its overcrowded roads, 261 vehicles per Km and Kuwaitis own the most
cars, 2.1 per household.>>

------------
sg

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: iptsiant@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos)
Subject: re: European Stereotypes
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:48:18 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

In article <9211091455.AA25253@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com>, c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
|> gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros Gavrilakis) writes:
|> > 
|> > The Int. Herald Tribune carried a small item 3-4 weeks ago
|> > saying that according to a Swedish specialist (forgot her name)
|> > the Italians are the best lovers in EC. 
|> 
|> Pleeeez. If they're the best lovers why do they need all the 
|> stimulation they can get (reference to the umpteen hundrend adult
|> channels in Italy)
|> 
|> > She actually recommends
|> > to women to offer themselves by going on hols to Italy. 
|> 
|> They tried that with Greece, remember all the (single 30's) women
|> from Germany and the Scandinavian countries flocking to Rhodes
|> and the Aegean Islands? Remember KAMAKIA?
|> 

|> Spiros (European at Heart, Greek in Reality, Living in the Industrial
|>         Midwest (read Rustbelt), USA).
|> --
|> Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
|> Software Technology, Delco Electronics       striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
|> GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]

Kai thnmosaste tis touristries pou kana diadnlwseis otan prwtobgnke to AIDS:

Den tou kanane ta kamakia pou thelan, oi karioles...

Panos Tsiantopoulos.
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: Scopjian Flag
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:13:05 GMT

In article <By0Jyo.D6o@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
>
>They were speaking Greek...
>Which doesn't prove they were Greek at all...
>                              ... The above argument proves nothing
>about the racial status of the Epirotes 
           ^^^^^^

 Here you prove the assertion about schizoid...!!!

 Didn't Prof. Errington, which I quoted, said that we can not verify
 their racial origin and that this question is historically unprofitable???

 After all this mountain of information through the network, for you
 to try to disregard Errington's and Hammond's positions, and finally
 you come to the same conclusions like them!!! Did we say anything about
 schizoid or what....

 Gr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: Disappointment
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:30:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.213312.11411@wuecl.wustl.edu> ls1@cec1.wustl.edu (Lambros Skartsis) writes:
>
>If this helps, my girlfriend is American; she has been in Greece twice
>and has stayed ~2 months in total. From her point of view she claimed she could
>perfectly live there; and indeed she might !!!....
>
>Regards,
>L. Skartsis


 Well, I tried not to say anything personal but since you dared I will
 do too!

 My ex-girlfriend, present wife (for 2 years), has been pressing me
 to go back in Greece where we lived for 3 years before to come here(1989)
 because her life was immensely more social there :-)))!

 Gr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Chinese-cu scared of European-Americans? (was Re: 50th Anniversary...)
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:19:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.030739.7149@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>You are better off identifying with the Korean-Americans, 
>Japanese-Americans, German-Americans, etc.

     And become another sorry, self-hating bigot?  No thanks.

							George


-- 
----
George J Wu,  georgew@hspice.portal.com or georgew@metasw.com
Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
Never be the first to believe.  Never be the last to deceive.  ---  Chess
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:01:46 GMT

Rish asians should/must vote for Republicnas. They have made lot money and
these democrats take money away.  Me no like these democrats, me no give money
to useless and jobleess homeless.

In my country poor people work and also thin from hunger, homeless in
america fat, no hunger. Republicans must , good people .............

sahibzada rafay khan [ how did these articles start ...... me good republican]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Charles W Tang)
Subject: Buddhist Book Distribution
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:57:44 GMT

The Saddharma Cakra Buddhist Association (Miao4-fa3-lun2 Fo2-xue2-hui4)
in Flushing, NY is looking for groups around the US that are interested
in distributing free Buddhist literature (in Chinese and English) in
their vicinity.  Most of these books are printed in and shipped from
Taiwan.

For interested organizations, please contact me at <cwt2.cunixa.cc.
columbia.edu>.

We need to know the following about your organization and your target
readers:

1) what language(s) do your readers speak?  Chinese / English / Both
2) how many books (of each title) do you need?
3) do you belong to a related organization, or are you thinking about
   doing this privately?  If you belong to a related organization, what 
   is the full name and address of your organization?
4) your name, address, telephone number, and e-mail address.

Since we don't know how many interested parties will be contacting
us, and since the book supply is limited, we can't promise that
every group will get what it asks for.  But since this will be an
ON-GOING project, we'll keep the list of all interested groups
for future distributions.

Thank you!

-Charles


*** Om Ma-Ni Pad-Me Hung *** | "Hey, Charles, have you been 'waiting' all
============================ |  your life?" -- Thao D. "the creature" Vo
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Discrimination in Marine Corps Officer Candidate School
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:50:52 GMT

In article <SHAW.92Nov20135404@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>There is an interesting article on page A14 of the New York Times about
>racial discrimination in the Marine Corps OCS.  The issue was raised by a
>Japanese-American who sued the Marines for kicking him out of OCS because
>of "lack of leadership qualities" or something, which prompted the Marines
>to do some statistical studies showing that racial minorities are more
>likely to drop out of OCS than whites, normalized for other factors.  The
>Marines are concerned, but have not decided how to react to these (not so
>surprising) findings.
>
>The same old stuff (i.e. "go back to your country", perception of lack of
>leadership qualities, old boy networks, etc.)

A hearsay, from a very very very friend of mine (AA) was that when this 
applied for navy reserve official program, this guy was rejected after an 
interview during admission process and the explanation given was 'lack of 
motivation,' whatever that means.  I am trying imply *nothing* neither any 
kind of correlation, but just sharing an insignificant hearsay.
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary of Japanese Amer. Internment
Date: 17 Nov 1992 17:30:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
	> Numerous twits, including Mr. Pan, had been trying to play 
	> e-mail games with me.  I reported all the activity to either 
	> the postmaster of the offending site or the administrator of 
	> my site.  This is not a joke. (I suspect that Ms. Cheung is 
	> aware of this, since she has never once sent me e-mail despite 
	> her gaming attitude on s.c.a.a.)

Oh Puh-leeze. The reason I've never sent you email is because there
isn't anything I can say to you that I can't say to everyone in this
newsgroup.


	Melinda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: DJ (Re: 50th Anniversary of Japanese Amer. Internment)
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:22:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.004902.2725@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>As for threatened/actual attempts to spy on me, to interfere in my personal
>life, and/or to post fabricated/or not material about me, I take that very
>seriously.  I, and most other Americans, do not think that sort of activity
>should be ignored.  I have not ignored it and, without hesitation or remorse,
>will respond in the same way that a European-American would respond to this
>kind of threatened or actual encroachment into my personal life.

Does that goes same for the case of Dwight Joe fabricating outright lies
about other netter in the net?  No flames but a simple and honest question.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: More Money than Votes
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:36:10 GMT

In article <LAUNCE.92Nov19132241@medusa.med.utah.edu> launce@medusa.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate) writes:
>
>Arthur T Hu and Danielle T Wei -- seperated at birth??  
>
>In article <BxGzp7.IFv@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>
>> I don't really think asians really care about
>> bilingual education (espeically here in NY), but personally i think any
>> immigrants to the U.S. should learn to speak English first, instead of coming
>> here with no english and trying to change things here..
>
>Well, you'd be excluding a good number of your fellow Chinese who wish
>to become American citizens that way, my dear.

  Including Ms. Danielle T. Wei.  She admits to me that she knew NO ENGLISH
  when she came here.  Now she is trying to change things here...  :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: What is Asian ?
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:18:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.230249.28113@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.083520.11599@panix.com> sieh@panix.com (Lui Sieh) writes:
>
>>I can conceive of some plausible reasons for white people to "stick together"
>>in today's hostile society.
>
>Lui, you don't have to waste your breath.  You don't need to list any reasons,
>plausible or not.  White people have never needed "reasons" to justify their
>sticking together.  They've been doing so throughout American history.  From
>the moment this country was settled by European-Americans until now, and every
>moment in-between.  They've never needed "reasons" -- they've just done it.
>And probably always will, too.  No shame in that.

  I was in the bookstore picking up an Amiga Format when I happened
  across the magazine "InterRace".  It's mostly about Black/White
  intermarriages and biracial children (which they define as Black/White).
  An interesting statistic is that Whites have the LOWEST rate of
  intermarriage in this country < 1%, whereas Asians and Native Americans
  have 40% to 70% (yes, it's that high), Black males are around 3%
  and Black females, 1.2%.  So Whites do stick together and have been
  since day one.  We're the ones that don't stick together, whatever
  they want to say about us.
>
> [Lui's comments that whites have to stick together because of those
>  darn minorities, deleted]
>So are you saying that long before there was "open animosity" (your words,
>not mine) from minorites, whites WEREN'T sticking together?  How about in
>the '40s and '50s, when no person of color would have dared voice "open
>animosity" towards "white culture."  Weren't whites sticking together even
>then?  How about before that?  How about even earlier than that, when they
>were taking the land away from the Indians?  Were they sticking together
>then, or were they "assimilating" into Native American culture?

  More like decimating Native American people (and the culture dies when
  the people die).
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: yoshio@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Yoshio Turner)
Subject: Re: Miscegenation Law in California 
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:45:43 GMT

wdrew@iat.holonet.net (Walter H. Drew) writes:
>During the 1939s or 1940s was there a law which prevented marriage between
>Chinese and Caucasians in California? If so, would the law have applied to
>an Amerasian?

What is an "Amerasian" ?

Yoshio Turner
yoshio@cs.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american