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From: tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater)
Subject: Re: Who's not going to go to Jackson?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 14:41:36 GMT

In article <BvJrnp.Gs5@csn.org>, pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
> I've been going to Nationals for the last 11 years; I've decided to not attend
> the championshiops at Jackson.

I went to Madison this year and I think I'll go to Jackson...it all depends
on airfares.  Do we fly into Jackson?  is it a hub for any airline?  is
it incredibly expensive to fly there?

Tom
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: 1992 DCI videos are out/review
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 2 Oct 1992 11:12:25 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I received my videos from 800 Video Express of the 1992 finals in the mail
yesterday.  Here is a brief synopsis of the quality of the set:
 
  Aspect                  Grade
  ---------------------   -----
  video quality             A
  audio quality             B
  shot selection            B+
  packaging                 A
 
A very nice package this year.  The only bad thing about the set is that the
top 5 are presented exactly as they were on the PBS broadcast...which means
we still miss the first few seconds of Cavies, Phantom, etc.  We also get
plenty of inept comments from Gowdy, including repeated references to SCV
scoring 98.8 in 1988.  If Gowdy can remember what running back ran for
xx yards in the 1952 Rose Bowl, he sure as hell ought to remember that the
year in question is 1989.  He also idiotically refers to Velvet Knights'
*land shark* as a crocodile.  Good God, let's hope this is the last year we
have to put up with him.
 
The audio is much clearer on the tapes than on the broadcast mix, but still
could be improved, I feel.
 
The performance by SCV is especially captivating, and includes all the
precision manuevers executed by the hornline before they step off.  The
sky is brilliant lavender and orange as the sun sets during their performance,
a seemingly fitting setting for the close of the first 25 years of the
Vanguard and the end of the Gail Royer era.
 
Crossmen are absolutely on fire in their performance...folks, this corps
deserved 6th place.  Sorry, Phantom.
 
In general, shot selection seems a bit better for corps 6-12 than for the
top 5, but I don't really have any complaints in that regard.
 
Cheers, Mike Hughes
From: pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Name that riff
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:33:04 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <92274.125711MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>Subject: Name that riff
>From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
>Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 12:57:11 EDT
>1.
> 
>   4/4                                accel--------
>  | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- |
>  | >                       >   >   | >       > >   >   >   > >   >   |
>  | ... ... ._. ... ._. ... ... ... | ._. ... ._. ... ... ... ... ... |
> 
> 
>  | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- |
>  | >       > >     > >   > >   >   | > >     > >   >   >   > >   >   |
>  | ... ... ._. ... ._. ... ... ... | ._. ... ._. ... ... ... ... ... |

Spirit of Atlanta 1980 from drum solo "Devil Went Down to Georgia".

I can't quite get the others  - a couple look a bit like Marty Hurly
stuff....

> 
>Mike Hughes

- Pete
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From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Solutions to "Name that Riff"
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:05:25 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

In article <92279.105525MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:

>>4. 1982 Phantom Regiment: snare excerpt from 2nd drum solo
>      (by the way, Brad, those are flam drags.  I've seen them written in
>       the original drum parts and saw them performed.)
>>
>>   4/4
>>  | ---6---      ---6---
>>  | >         >      ^   >    | >  >   >   >   >    |
>>  | ,__ ... ._,_ ... .__ .::: | ,:_, :_,: _,:_ .::: |  etc

I really hate to disagree with you, but as someone who toured with Regiment
in '82 and marched in the snare line there in '83 & '84 and knew the members
of the '82 line personally, I can guarantee you quite unconditionally that
those were *not* flam drags. It is quite possible that they were in the
original parts and maybe even were performed a few times on first tour
(which would probably make our discussion mute), but they never made it
to second tour and are most certainly *not* on the albums. :-)

--Brad.



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Oakland University                         -me    
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: other drumcorps boards
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:12:45 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <Oct01.205435.58584@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:
>
>I mention this because a lot of notable individuals post there:
>George Hopkins, Bill Cook, Steve Rondinaro, to name a few.
>
>                                    Scott
>

Scott,

I don't get Prodigy so couldn't hook up.  Can ask a favor?  If you see any
particluarly interesting posts from the "big guys" could you pass them on
to us?  Thanks


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From: matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Who's not going to go to Jackson?
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:09:18 GMT
Organization: Division of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, UC Davis

The original posting here did make a reference to DCI's policy of moving the
championships around.  Since there's been another posting about shows in the 
west, I'll go ahead and add my $.02 worth.  

Do the decision makers of DCI believe that the location of the championships
is the only thing that matters when striving for a better geographical distribution
of shows?  Perhaps they meant well when they conceded the 1999 championships to
a western site, but that doesn't help us for several seasons.

When the championships were in Dallas, I hoped that the relatively western 
location would result in a couple of late-season shows even farther west
(Los Angeles?  Phoenix?).  No such luck.  

I wish there were some mid-season shows in the west that brought out one
or two corps that are rarely seen here (except on television).  For example,
some corps could travel west for DATR and then head west for shows in 
California (which have been moved to this later time).  I know that scheduling
is very complex and that my naive suggestion may have flaws.  I just
get the impression that there is no attempt being made in this area.
I'm worried that 1999 will become an excuse for ignoring the West until then.

Some creative scheduling might be possible, so that corps could travel in the
West at mid season and still make it to an eastern  location for the 
championships.  However, the top 25 are also constrained to be at another
eastern location for the preview of champions.  Has anyone considered the 
negative impact of the POC on spreading around the mid and late season
activity?  

I acknowledge that it is expensive for a corps to travel.  I would propose
that instead of forcing most corps to find extra money in 1999, they all
contribute a little bit to a fund that helps those whe do travel to
the West.  (I suppose that the BD, SCV, VK, FR, etc. could argue that they
must travel every year; I don't think they get extra consideration).

I also acknowledge that drumcorps activity and interest is found in 
greater concentration in the Midwest and East.  Hence, it seems fitting
to concentrate shows in that area.  However, the western corps need to 
"educate" the public about drumcorps so that the activity will intensify
here (let's get back those inactive corps!).  If we can get a late-season
show out here, it should be exploited for its public relations value.  An
effort to get propper media exposure and to appeal to potential drum corps
boosters should be a part of the plan.

As I hinted above, I'd trade the 1999 championships for an increase in our
regular drum corps activity.

Tom Matthews
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: alt.drumcorps FAQ comments
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:49:39 GMT


Sorry about the lateness of the FAQ posting (I usually have it
posted in the middle of the month, but I have been swamped
recently (which is also why I haven't jumped in on the discussion
of creativity and the naming of the rec.* newsgroup -- BTW,
I thought Phil's RFD was excellent, especially where it talks
about what "marching" is defined as for the purposes of the
newsgroup)).  Also, there is a lot of old info (schedules, repertoires),
but at least it will give new readers an idea of what's going on.

Anyway, if anyone wants to write about any of the following topics
to be included in the FAQ, please write it up and send it to me.

+ What the Rules Congress is
+ Senior corps info (addresses, phone)
+ Finances of DCI
+ A and A-60 corps
+ The PBS broadcast: how it is funded, how it is done, history of it
+ audio and video recordings: availability, price, quality

-- Donald
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Star of Indiana 1993 repetoire
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 13:34:20 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <1992Oct5.150118.28053@menudo.uh.edu>, HMUSAMWS@admin.uh.edu
(SUMBERA, MICHEAL W.) says:
>
>In <Oct04.213104.41750@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU      :
>writes
>
>>
>> News from Prodigy-land:
>>
>> Bill Cook has just passed along word from Jim Mason regarding Star of
>> Indiana's 1993 show.  The music is all by Samuel Barber and is:
>>
>>         School for Scandal
>>         Adagio for Strings
>>         Medea's Dance of Vengeance
>>
>
>Well, I will say that I am pleased to find that some corps has finally
>discovered Barber.  At the same time, I cannot express to strongly my dismay
>at which corps it was.  I dread next summer hearing delicate scoring
>and beautiful melodies butchered by an organization with no finesse or concept
>of subtlety.  That is, if they treat Barber the same way they have treated
>Bill Schuman and Respighi in previous years.
 
I think you are musically out-to-lunch.  I can't imagine anyone with a
shred of musicality saying this about Star's musical performances of
the past 3 years.  What corps do you feel has comparably more finesse and
subtlety than Star?  Spirit of Atlanta, perhaps?
 
By the way, the Respighi works Star performed in 1991 were by definition NOT
supposed to be subtle (hence the flashy, gaudy uniform design).  Have you
ever heard these works?  Do you know the translation of *Feste Romane*?
It's *Roman FESTIVALS*, Micheal, *FESTIVALS*!!!  Incidentally, subtlety
and finnesse are NOT the same thing.  The Roman production was packed with
finesse, if you'd care to look and listen.  Maybe that's why they ran away
with the title in 1991, eh?
 
I personally can't wait to hear Star perform this
great music of Barber...for exactly the same reason you
don't want them to.  There is not another drum corps as musically
well-equipped to perform this repetoire as Star.
 
Mike Hughes
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: cc0001@medtronic.COM (Christopher Carriero)
Subject: Senior Corps Finals
Summary: Scores
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:26:42 GMT


I haven't seen anyone post the total final results of the 
DCA Championships.  I'm just a little curious what the
results were.

Does anyone know?  I only know the Empire Statesmen won, but
that is it.  

I went to a show in MN before DCI and the Minnesota Brass did
an exhibition.  They were a lot of fun to watch.  I'd like to
find out how they did, as well as other corps.  Anyone out there
follow DCA????

-- Chris

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: splooie@camelot.bradley.edu (Romeo Casiple)
Subject: Re: drill (was Re: Creativity vs. Execution)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:36:39 GMT

In <1992Sep29.134324.20468@watson.ibm.com> owens@watson.ibm.com (David Owens) writes:

>In article <splooie.717542453@camelot>, splooie@camelot.bradley.edu (Romeo Casiple) writes:

>...stuff deleted...

>|> take 12 counts to get there, etc. etc.  It is like connecting the dots,
>|> moving from set to set in a straight path and a different step size
>|> to get to each, depending on the number of counts to get there.

>...stuff deleted...

>|> watching Star and Cadets, I might imagine that the drill is taught a
>|> little differently, because corps members do not ALWAYS take a straight
>|> path to get to their sets.  It would be interesting to know how they
>|> do things different..

>You are always told to take a straight path for each transition?  I'm
>kinda surprised that drill is taught that way anywhere... especially
>where I'm assuming you march.

Look at our drill carefully.  Set your eyes on only one member of the
corps, doesn't matter which section, and watch how he executes his drill.
He moves from point to point to point, taking a straight path.  Now, there
may be some instances where the path may not appear to be straight, but
actually there would be several sets there.  There are many many transitions,
or sets, and members take a straight path from set to set.

There are some obvious exceptions.  Sometimes guard members may appear
to "scatter".. a good example of this is in 1991 during Die Natale, when
the guard is working with the wind socks.

When I look at other corps, like Star and Garfield (Zingali and Sylvester
have radically different drill designs than Brubaker's) it's not as cut
and dry as having many sets.  The best examples I could think of now 
would be Cadet's follow the leader thing before the company front at the
end of their show this year, or also "Amber Waves" in Star.

The coordiate system and straight path system is really good in that each
member never needs to guide off of any other member.  He is only responsible
for landing on his coordinate.  The belief here is that if the other guy
is wrong, you will be wrong too if you attempt to hit your set in relation
with him.  You will be right more often if you try to hit your set in 
relation with the field & it's markings (hashes, numbers, X's) because the
field is NEVER wrong.  It is fixed.  So if the set happens to be a straight
line or a circle, that straight line or circle will be perfect if everyone
does his job and lands on his set.


>Where do you march?  (Cavies?)
Yes.

Splooie!
splooie@camelot.bradley.edu
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Finally, Cool Drum Notation!
Date: 28 Sep 1992 19:37:40 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <Sep28.170504.33936@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> pm860605@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Peter Mckinney) writes:
>Let's add:
>
>   _ = rest of value = to .  (as you used below Brad)
>   o = ??? (as below? - I should know, but I can't remember the end
>            of that passage :-) )
>
>|> Here's an oldie but a goodie:
>|> 
>|> |4 >  >   >   >^  ---6--- | >  >   >   >^  ---6--- | >  >   >            |
>|> |4 .::. ::.: :... ... ... | .::. ::.: :... ... ... | .::. ::.: :... ..._ |
>|> 
>|> |2      ^^^  |
>|> |4 o_o_ ..._ |
>|> 
>|> --Brad

If this is the ending to _Dindi_, Blue Devils '80 and '81 then the o's are
stick cliks.  I like this game of name this excerpt |).

--David



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From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Finally, Cool Drum Notation!
Date: 28 Sep 1992 14:48:07 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <92269.140048MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>I tried to think of another *famous* example to notate using this method,
>and came up with this:
> 
>   >      >       >        >      >      ---6--- ---6--- ---6---
>|4 zzzz zzzz zzzz zzzz  |2 zzzz zz.   |3 ... ... ... ... ... ... |4
>|4                      |4            |4                         |4
>   pp                                      cresc<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> 
> 
>   >  >   >   >   > >   >  >   >   >   > >
>|4 f..f ...: :. . f f | f..f ...: :.:: . f |
>|4                    |                    |
> 
><<<ff
> 

Isn't that the beginning of the Channel One Suite drum break?  Although I
thought there were only two countes of sextuplets in that third bar (at 
least in '86, the year I worship the drumline and am testing to see if a
person can wear out a CD by playing it a lot :) ).
  

>Recognize this one, Brad?  :) A gold star to the first one to successfully
>decipher it.
> 
>Cheers, Mike Hughes

--David


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From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: A Comment About Zingali & "Two-Seven" in 1980
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:44:54 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

rbeckham@bnr.ca (Rick Beckham) writes:
>  I'd like to respond to a few comments made in the net, comments concerning
>  George Zingali, DCI politics, etc.

>  I marched snare with Garfield Cadets in 1980, and snare with two seven 
>  in 1981.

>  I greatly admired Zingali's innovative drill design, and feel fortunate
>  to have marched under him. I remember the fights he and Bonfiglio (two
>  seven's director) had, I had the feeling that Bonfiglio was afraid
>  of losing control of the corp, or at the very least he had to remind
>  everyone, especially Zingali, who was boss. I once asked Zingali if
>  he would ever consider leaving two seven to go to Garfield (Garfield
>  had been on the up-and-coming), and he responded with 'I'd never go
>  to Garfield'. Of course he eventually did go after a vicious fight
>  with Bonfiglio, where reportedly Bonfiglio shouted 'I don't want
>  queers on my staff'.

     Finally, an-ex Lancer on the net!  A lot of us on the net have the
'81 midwest broadcast, tell us which snare is you?  Is there any part 
where you are featured?   Also, Mike Ellenbacher marched in 27th on 
baritone in '81, do you know of him?

     The Lancers are having a reunion in October (I read about it in
DCI Today).  There is an address listed for people to contact if 
interested in attending.  Let me know if anyone would like it.

     Also, Rick, what is your e-mail address?  What I tried from the
follow up failed.  Thanks.



                                          Ken Dowzycki
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: Finally, Cool Drum Notation!
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:24:32 GMT

In article <92269.140048MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:

>I think this is a great thread (if I do say so myself).  Maybe we could get
>a standardized drum notation scheme worked up so we percussionists can
>communicate (!).
> 
>Brad's notation has some good ideas.  Mine was just to relay a basic pattern
>without all the embellishments (i.e. tap rolls, flams, drags, etc).  However,
>to keep readability, I propose a synthesis of both of our *styles*:
> 
>  1. Still indicate accents with >, rimshots with ^.
>  2. Indicate taps with ., but double strokes (drags) with a colon :.
>  3. Flams indicated with f, chertas with a semicolon ; (maybe?)
>  4. Buzz or press rolls with z.

I agree. Did you see Pete McKinney's post on the same subject? He suggested
a very similar notation, with the exception of using a "," for flams. So far, 
I guess everyone might agree to the following:

. = tap
, = flam
: = drag
; = cherta
> = accent
^ = rimshot
z = buzz roll.

>I think we still need a two-line system, that is, a line with notes and
>embellishments, another with accents and pulse info (16ths vs sextuplets,
>etc.)

Here too, I agree. I think the best approach is to keep the manuscript as
brief as possible, and use the minimum lines needed to communicate the
passage accurately.

>I tried to think of another *famous* example to notate using this method,
>and came up with this:
> 
>   >      >       >        >      >      ---6--- ---6--- ---6---
>|4 zzzz zzzz zzzz zzzz  |2 zzzz zz.   |3 ... ... ... ... ... ... |4
>|4                      |4            |4                         |4
>   pp                                      cresc<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> 
> 
>   >  >   >   >   > >   >  >   >   >   > >
>|4 f..f ...: :. . f f | f..f ...: :.:: . f |
>|4                    |                    |
> 
><<<ff
> 
>Recognize this one, Brad?  :) A gold star to the first one to successfully
>decipher it.

Dev's '86, if I'm not mistaken.
Here's an oldie but a goodie:

|4 >  >   >   >^  ---6--- | >  >   >   >^  ---6--- | >  >   >            |
|4 .::. ::.: :... ... ... | .::. ::.: :... ... ... | .::. ::.: :... ..._ |

|2      ^^^  |
|4 o_o_ ..._ |

--Brad
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Oakland University
Rochester, Michigan
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From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: What should we call the rec.drumcorps group?
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:03:54 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

In article <30SEP199212475797@rosie.uh.edu> lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>Before I answer I have a qustion....do you want to limit it to drumcorps or
>do you want to expand to include some or all forms of marching/music type
>arts?  If you want to expand I suggest that you do not use
>rec.music.drumcorp. [...]

There is an RFD outstanding now. Any discussion about the names of possible
groups should be held in the news.groups discussion group. Discussion taking
place here cannot be included as part of the formal discussion.

>Tammy

--phil
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