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From: atchison@kingkong.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: Re: MIGHTY MICHIGAN ... and notre dame
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:46:48 GMT


In article <1992Nov22.200207.23400@news2.cis.umn.edu> milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.003609.1014@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@mauchly.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>...
>>I don't even think they're the best team in the
>>Big 10 ...           
>
>If not Michigan, then which team do you believe IS the best team 
>in the BIG10 this year? I like to hear your logic explaining why.
>
>-bob
>a Michigan fan

I think it's pretty obvious who the best team in the Big 10 has been for the
last four weeks.  3 wins by the combined score of 82-25, plus a tie of the #6
team in the nation for Ohio State.  2 ties, plus a win over Northwestern, and
a come from behind "upset" of Pur-done for Michigan.  
Right now no one in the conference is playing better football than the 
Buckeyes, and if Florida upsets Alabama, we'll be in a better bowl, too.  
(Heck, it might even be better if we only play Florida!)

-mark
not a Michigan fan

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
 Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>; Graduate Student in the
Computer Science Dept, THE Ohio State University (NOT an Ohio State University)
		Any plagiarisms seen above are not my own...
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Rules check
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:21:26 GMT

With all of the rules changes recently, can someone quote me the rule
for the advancement of a fumble?

I am curious to know if Mississippi State could have legally advanced
the fumble recovery on the punt.  An advance which they in turn fumbled.
If they cannot advance the fumble, then it should have been State ball
at the point of the recovery.  I have not heard anyone saying that it
should be State ball, but I am still curious as to the rule.

cmuck
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From: hhsiung@elm.Berkeley.EDU (Han Hsuing)
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Preview  (11-21-92)
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Reply-To: hhsiung@elm.Berkeley.EDU (Han Hsuing)
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc., Phoenix Product Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 20:24:08 GMT

{ stuffs delete }

>Arizona State at Arizona

Here in Arizona, we called this game "The game". 

Han

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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: FSU 1993 Schedule
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:50:02 GMT

mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:

>mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) wrote:
>}
>}                    ND usually gets a very ugly reception down south, which
>}has soured many ND alums from ever wanting to play there again.  

>Can you elaborate on this?  Did Notre Dame get a "very ugly reception"
>in Birmingham, AL or Clemson, SC or Baton Rouge, LA or Jackson, MS or
>at any other place they have played "down south" in recent memory?
>Or are you really just talking about Miami, which is hardly representative
>of the south?

The common saying down here in Miami is that you have to go North to get 
to the South. Unfortunately, Miami is really the 6th borough(sp?) of NY.

I can't believe Matt hasn't been told yet that we're all just good
little boys here in Miami now. Well almost all of us .  ;-)

Justin - wished the Canes were in the REAL South - Frederich
From: jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Re: What's the hubbub with Udub?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:11:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.174031.12324@u.washington.edu> wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.071608.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>>
>>> BTW is this the reason Arizona kicked Udubs ASS this weekend? UW is the best
>>                                        ^^^^^
>>Ok, we learned what a "t-sip" was a few months ago, what the heck does
>>"udub" mean??  I know it is a some sort of Washington put-down, but
>>where/how did it originate?
>>David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu 
>
>
>Udub?  dub is supposed to be short for W 'doubleyew'  It's on a shirt.
>Probably made up by the same people who told the stupid sorority girls that
>white socks and brown loafers were stylish.

It is analgous to spelling the abreviation v.p. as veep or m.c. as emcee.
And, no it is not an abreviation itself nor is it the "spelling" of the
abreviation, which would be U.W.  It could be considered the spelling of
 the pronounciation of the shortened U.W.

Ok, so what is a t-sip??

jc


-- 
I sink like a stone
That's been thrown in the ocean
My logic has drowned
In a sea of emotion                   -- Sting
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From: eeidsmoe@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Eric Eidsmoe)
Subject: Re: Proof of What drives I-A football (was Iowa vs BY
Originator: eeidsmoe@mars.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Dow Chemical
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:35:53 GMT

>
>>As for Iowa, name the 10 teams with a better record with a
>>comparable schedule.  I'll agree they probably don't deserve
>>to go.  But who does?
>
>Well, I still don't want to cut down Iowa--that's not my point.  My beef is
>with a bowl system whose stated purpose is to reward teams who have good years.
>And there are teams out there that have won more games and lost fewer games 
>than Iowa and will be home for the holidays.  One team that comes to mind is 
>Southern Mississippi.  You might have a point on schedule strength, but I would 
>buy it a lot quicker if the Big 10 was a little tougher this year.  The one and
>only thing that gets Iowa in and keeps Southern Miss out is drawing power.  
>And, back to my point, that is not (or at least it shouldn't be) the reason a 
>team gets a bowl bid.

Ideally you're right -- the quality of the teams should determine who goes to
a bowl game.  However the bowls exist to make money.  That means who's going
to bring the most fans and how many people will want to watch the game on TV.
Unfortunately for teams like Southern Miss, they don't draw like an Iowa.  
I've been lucky enough to travel to see Iowa play in quite a few places and
it's pretty amazing how they'll fill up an opposing team's stadium or arena.
Ask Minnesota fans about the crowd noise penalty Iowa got IN THE METRODOME
two years ago.   Or the University of Southern Florida when Iowa fans helped
then set an attendence record for their Holiday basketball tourney last year.

The Big 10 basically sucks this year and speaking as an Iowa fan, they 
probably don't deserve a bowl game this year, but if they beat Minnesota they
qualify to be picked for a bowl.  Nothing looks worse than a half-empty
stadium (except maybe crappy Neilson ratings) and with the support Iowa 
brings to even the minor bowls, they can count on a decent crowd for the 
game.  The same thing happened in 1988 when another mediocre Iowa team went
to the Peach Bowl despite something like a 6-4-2 record BECAUSE IOWA FANS GO
TO BOWL GAMES.   If Iowa does beat Minnesota (not a sure thing in this
rivalry) I just hope they'll give a respectable performance and yes, I hope
to be there if they do.  Even if the football isn't any good, the weather
should be. 
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: How did the Illini choke?
Organization: American Math. Society
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:48:34 GMT

In article <olt.721924458@elwood.isgs.uiuc.edu> olt@elwood.isgs.uiuc.edu (Scott Olt) writes:

   >ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:

   >>Oh, no, not you again.  The Return of the Creature That Hates
   >>Michigan.  Why don't you go back to the alien planet you came from?
   >>We're really tired of your same old anti-Michigan bullshit.

   >We? Who's 'we'? You and your pet hamster?

"We" is most Michigan fans and several others who are tired of Exby's
incessant anti-Michigan woofing.  This isn't the first nor the last
time we'll see Mr. Exby's "fichigan" posts.  That's just about all he
ever "contributes" to the group.  So when it rears its ugly head, I
like to take a couple of swings at it.

   >Not everybody loves Michigan, pal...

Never said they did, pal.



-Alan Harder
 
These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: UCLA bowl hopes !!
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:04:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.210541.19730@mic.ucla.edu> bryan@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Bryan LittleField ) writes:
> Does UCLA have any hopes of reaching a bowl game this year ???
>
> If they can beat USC this saturday they will be 6-5 ...
> They should be going somewhere !!!!

My feeling is that, except under exceptional circumstances, 6-5 teams
shouldn't be going anywhere.  If they really need to invite 6-5 teams
to fill up the minor bowls, then there are too many bowls.  At any rate, 
UCLA's bowl chances are very faint, I believe.  Even assuming a victory 
over USC, which won't be easy, UCLA has not looked good most of the season.  
The last couple of victories were close, and were against the weaker members 
of the Pac-10.  UCLA's collapse can be largely explained by massive numbers 
of injuries, but, other than sympathy, I don't think that fact alone should 
get the Bruins anything, including a bowl bid they really don't deserve.

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:51:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.170402.7095@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>>
>>How could you hurt ND Bowl status.  All they have to do is win 7 games
>>and they get a Major NYD game at the Orange, Cotton, Sugar or Fiesta.
>
>Notre Dame was going to a New Year's Day bowl before this game, so they're
>currently playing to see which one - the better they play, the better
>the bowl.
>
>However, much as I like Notre Dame, Holtz's call to go for the two point
>conversion was close to a no-brainer.  If Notre Dame ends up the season
                           ^^^^^^^^^^
>8-1-2 (and that's assuming a far from sure win against USC), they'd be
>playing in the Fiesta Bowl in a game with no national championship
>implications.  The same is true if they went 8-2-1.  On the other hand,
>if they can finish 9-1-1, and one or two other not terribly improbable
>things happen, Notre Dame could be playing in a bowl that does affect
>the national championship, with the smallest outside shot at even winning
>the championship.  A tie did Notre Dame little or no good, in those 
>circumstances, while a win could make a tremendous difference.
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Michigan, on the other hand, got to the Rose Bowl with a tie, though they
>probably extinguished their national championship hopes by doing so.  Also,
>Notre Dame needed to only get a 2 point conversion to win.  Michigan had
>to cover another twenty yards or so with very little time left.  That's
>a much tougher decision to make.
>
>-- 
>		Peter Reiher
>		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
>

I'm sorry, but could you go through that again?  First you say Holtz's
decision to go for two was almost a stupid one, then it seems that you
justify his call.  ????  Is there a typo somewhere?


-- 
Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 292-2357
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
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From: tino@ray.metray (Vinny Tino)
Subject: Re: All AP & CNN/USA pollsters, read this
Reply-To: tino@ray.metray
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:44:42 GMT

In article 25537@mailer.cc.fsu.edu, stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul) writes:
>Vinny Tino writes
>+ In article 26819@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, kkc@nursing.arizona.edu (Kee  
>Koon Chua) writes:
>+ >
>+ >To all the AP and CNN/USA pollsters:
>+ >    Please use some common sense! What have TAMU done to deserve this high 
>+ >ranking? They have the SHITTIEST schedule among the top 10 teams. They  
>fact 
>+ >that they are still undefeated doesn't mean they are good. Look at their
>+ >shit schedules. Who have they played so far?? How many games have you guys
>+ >seen TAMU played so far to say that they are good (From Thurs game, they  
>don't
>+ >look like a top 25 team to me).
>+ >    Again, please use some brain when making a vote. 
>+ 
>+ AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Bullshit! Who has FSU played that was any good, Vinny? GaTech? 5-5.
>And FSU was seriously in the hole against them! Clemson? maybe a 
>loosing season? Tulane? Can you say run the damn score up? Maryland? 
>another patsy. The only real team that they've played so far is Miami, 
>and they LOST. Once again they had more than sufficient opportunity to 
>write their own destiny, but couldn't put it in the endzone. Miami
>made the most of all their opportunities.
>
>I used to think Miami was the scum of college football. Maybe they
>used to be. But they're well behaved under Erikson, and now FSU is
>starting to lose respect. My hat's off to Erikson and his team.
>
>James

Well, Jim, Look at whether the teams that FSU played were ranked when they 
played them.  Clemson, NC State, UNC, Virginia, Ga Tech, were all ranked teams
when FSU beat them.  Now Wake is ranked.  Looks like I am not the only guy
who believes that.

How can you say that Miami is well behaved.. I assume you weren't here for the 
game last year when Mark Caesar was arrested for throwing ice into the stands.
Well behaved? Get a clue... Bobby B. made Lonnie Johnson do 6 sets of stairs 
after dunking the ball over the goal crossbar on Sat.  Bowden doesn't take
that shit..

As for that Miami shit you're spewing...Don't make me and Vito come downstairs 
and knock some sense into you :)  Or maybe I'll just let JJO know and have him
do it..  :)


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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Penn State Should Withdraw
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:20:33 GMT

In article <168A2A8EA.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:

   This posting is for all the Penn State assholes who said last year that
   Notre Dame didn't belong in a bowl game.  If you are a Penn State fan
   first, my condolences, second, this posting is not for you.

   Let's see, PSU talks the Lackluster Bowl into offering them a bid BEFORE
   the season even starts.  Then those brave Paternoes play the rough and
   tumble schedule which includes Cincinnati, Temple, Eastern Michigan,
   Maryland, and Rutgers.  Their record is now 6-4, they're out of the top
   25 teams, and they are going to a bowl game.  In short, PSU stinks.
   Oh, did I mention the criminal indictments?

   If Penn State has any integrity at all, they will reject the offer to play
   in the Lackluster Bowl and let a team that is deserving go.
   I think playing a 3-7 Pittsburgh team at home is reward enough for this
   year's team.  Let that be their bowl game.

Are bowls a reward for having a winning record, or for being a solid team?
If the former, then you can't hold the weaker parts of their schedule against
them, since thats what helps get wins.  If the latter, then a reasonable
conclusion from your post is that ND and Miami probably don't belong in a
bowl either, since both of them could easily have lost to PSU.  But if your
just getting a few jabs in for the flack ND caught last year, never mind.
Your probably entitled, though I thought Bettis brought the point home pretty
strongly.

Bill
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Miami's NYD Opponent
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:55:40 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov17.160547.19531@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
>
>Since it's obvious to me that there is currently no worthy
>opponent for the Canes to play on NYD I propose that they
>play the NFL teams with the best record at the time on NYD.
>
>This scenario is the only one that will afford the Canes
>any respect from the MENSA crowd here in r.s.f.c. If the
>Canes play merely a College team on NYD they'll be 
>accused of; chickening out to someone else, beating up on
>a patsie, spousal abuse, increasing the national debt,
>or performing cervical cancer research without a permit.
>
>Therefore I submit that the Canes must play the Dallas
>Cowboys, San Fransisco 49ers and the Buffalo Bills all
>on NYD. Finally they'll play teams that no one here in
>r.s.f.c can say is inappropriate as an opponent.
>
>Any objections?
>

No, but to satisfy the poor fools, you must make sure that the 'Canes 
play all three games on the road, as we know how unfair it is to allow them
to play near home...
-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
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From: C14565@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Yolanda Watson)
Subject: Bayou Classic Attendance
Organization: Motorola
Date: 16 Nov 1992 15:47:32 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bayou Classic?
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:28:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chevron

(Scott Barman) writes:
>I was trying to spend some time in New Orleans during Thanksgiving not
>thinking it would be a "Hot Spot" for a mini-vacation at this time of
>year.  So in trying to get hotel reservations they tell me that
>Thanksgiving Weekend is the Bayou Classic.  All I was able to find out
>is it is a college football game.  Does anyone have more details on it?
>Who is involved, etc.?

Why that's the annual tussle between Grambling State and Southern
University (Baton Rouge), sir.  These two predominantly black colleges
square off every year in the Dome, and its pretty much considered their
BOWL game, regardless of records.  GSU and SU alums are known to fly in
from all over the country for this party on the Bayou.


I have recently moved to the chicago area and I am a recent grad
grad from SU.  Will you be attending the classic this year?  And
did you graduate from one of these fine universities?
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From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES
Date: 16 Nov 1992 22:45:52 -0600
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tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon) writes:

>> In article <1992Nov16.150509@IASTATE.EDU> rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner) writes:
>> Now, having said that I must admit that I hope the 
>> Hawks turn down an invite if one comes their way - 
>> I don't think I can stand to watch BYU or SDSU or some
>> other dinky WAC school beat up on them...

>	Yeah, right!  They way things are going over in the
>WAC, that school won't deserve to be there either.

I'll assume that this comment isn't just emotional babbling.  So, which WAC
team won't deserve to be there?
-- 
Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!
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Subject: Bama 30, Miss. State 21
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:10:38 EST
Organization: Penn State University

I don't need games like this . . .

Alabama played tremendous defense and pretty solid offense in
the first half to take a 20-3 lead.  Antonio Langham blocked
a MSU punt for a TD, Jay Barker flipped a shovel pass to Derrick
Lassic for a 16 yd TD, and Michael Proctor booted two FGs.

Most of Bama's 1st half points came during the first quarter.  The
second quarter became a duel between the Bama D and the MSU punter.
Long punts repeatedly left Bama deep in its own territory, and
Bama's punter, having an off day, repeatedly placed MSU if not actually
in Bama territory, then pretty close.  In the first half MSU's
average starting field position was the BAMA 47.  Yet they only came
away with three points (something to think about before you start
calling the Bama D overrated).

The third quarter saw MSU come out determinined, and Bama go out
to lunch.  Offensive mistakes gave MSU good field position, but
the defense just wasn't tackling.  This is what was so odd:  The
Bama D was always in the right spot at the right time, they just
weren't putting the guy on the ground.  Olando Truitt--who will
continue to make opposing D's miserable for years to come--made
a sensational grab in the end zone for MSU's first TD.

All of a sudden, the score is 20-21 MSU, and the crowd is going
bugfuck.

Displaying a LOT of character, Bama came back.  The D started
shutting down the MSU offense again, and came up with a key
interception deep in MSU territory.  Bama scored the TD, and
later put another FG to extend the lead to 30-21 with about 5
minutes left in the game.

MSU mounted a drive to try and close the gap, and was driving
against a clearly exhausted (emotionally and physically) Bama
D, until George Teague picked off Greg Plump in the endzone.

Overall--As I said, I was impressed with Bama's ability to pick
itself up and get back into the game.  I was just as impressed,
however, with Mississippi State in the 3rd quarter.  They picked
themselves up as well, and certainly have nothing to be ashamed
about.

Jay Barker--well, the kid still has a lot of potential, but this
game demonstrates why Bama needs a more effective QB coach.  Barker's
play was not consistent, and that will have to change if we are to
have a chance against Auburn, Florida and (God willing) Miami.

The team should have learned a valuable lesson from this one, and
luckily did not have to pay too much for it.  I still haven't
heard anything further on a couple of injuries (NG James Gregory
had a strained anterior cruciate ligament), but the extra week
should let every one get healthy.

Congrats and regard to Mississippi State, who played a hell of a game.


Jim Thomas
Penn State
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