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From: rszczerb@schiller.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: IOWA FALLS 14-24
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:45:52 GMT
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Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <BtxovC.FFu@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) writes:
>sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:
>
>
>>In article <1992Sep1.133544.11537@cs.wayne.edu> steve@nova.eng.wayne.edu (Steve
>> Phillips) writes:
>>>You have to give Notre Dame a little credit though.  By refusing to schedule
>>>Miami in future years because of their "lower academic standards" than Notre
>>>Dame, they at least gave themselves a shot to go without a crushing defeat
>>>every year...  That is, if they get by Michigan.
>>>
>
>>You're funny!
>
>>Does anyone remember 1988?  '90?  Oh yea, I forgot.  Miami
>>also lost to BYU in '90.  They were depressed after that, they lost their
>>senses and kicked to The Rocket.
>
>We remember how the Ref's gave the game to ND.   I Remember a bad call, the
>re-play showed that Miami had a first down.  That gave Miami a first
>down on the one inch line.  One bad call, or Miami whould have had five NC's
>in nine years.
>

Actually, I think the play you are referring to had a question of whether ND
recovered a Miami fumble, or if ND took over on 4th down.  Either way,
Miami turned the ball over (either on a fumble or on downs) and ND
took over the ball ... and the rest is history.

			- Rob
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SI Preseason Top 20
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:27:30 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <Btuzwz.FAF@news.larc.nasa.gov> mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson) writes:
>wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:
>
>>Watch out in the bowls, you east coast snobs.
>
>Yes.  I see.
>
>I see one game that would support this:
>
>Citrus          Cal 37 Clemson 13
>
>and 2 games that would not support this:
>
>California      Bowling Green 28  Fresno State 21
>Aloha           Georgia Tech 18 Stanford 17

  The one Pac-10 team that choked their bowl game last season :-(

>add 2 more sad performances by California teams
>(though not quite EC opponents...):
>
>Freedom         Tulsa 28 San Diego St 17
>John Hancock    UCLA 6  Illinois 3

  ...yeah, but UCLA has won their last 7 consecutive bowl games; not a bad
streak.

  And if you are going to consider Illinois east coast, then you might
as well include the Rose Bowl results from last year between Washington and
Michigan.  I believe the Huskies won by at least two touchdowns.

  With the new bowl alliances now in effect, East and West teams will hardly 
ever play each other in the bowl games at the end of the season.  Too bad.


   Doug
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Trojan News
Keywords: n
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:21:17 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production

>
>GOOD POINT Brian! But lets take it a step further and go back two years ago 
>where I (and 60,000 other Coliseum fans) witnessed another episode of the
>"class" of the average Cal fan. It was the first half of the USC/Cal game
>and SC had just scored a TD. As most people know, that it is tradition for
>TRAVELER to take a lap around the Coliseum track. While TRAVELER and his
>rider were poised and ready to take the lap from the entrance of the Coliseum
>tunnel,the Cal rooting section (sitting near the tunnel) showed their true
>colors. Instead of booing,hissing or making cat calls, that TRAVELER,his rider
>and SC fans are accustomed of seeing, Cal fans began throwing hard objects that
>startled the horse which began bucking,kicking,threw the rider off the horse
>onto the track and came dangerously close of stampeading the Cal bench. The
>horse was finally calmed down but not after sending three people (including a
>Cal supporter) to the hospital (much to the delight of the Cal faithful). 
>
>Yes Cal fans, a true act of class... O yeah, they come to town on Oct.17.
>Yes Brian, the revenge that the SC players and fans will have WILL be sweet
>indeed!
>
>Fight On,
>Valdis Kalejs


You mean you guys have a horse at that prison camp ('SC)?   :-)

cmuck

ps- out of curiosity, how many schools out there have guards to regulate
    who comes in and goes out.  I guess I just take open campuses for
    granted...
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A&M vs. Stanford
Date: 27 Aug 1992 19:19:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Screamin' Flamin' Burnin' Yellow Jackets

In article <10465@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul) writes:

|> Speaking of NumbedMinds, what's Beano "$tanfraud by 3 TD's" Cook
|> saying? 
|> 
|> Or do I have him confused with someone else???
|> 
|> James

Nope.  He's proven that at least 1/5 ofhis predictions are boneheaded so far.
Just to refresh everyone's memory for the next test of the wonderful Beano:

------ from <1992Aug23.1539.11131@execnet>

Beano Cook's predictions, as given on ESPN radion Saturday, 8/22/1992.

I only guarantee that he said'em then, not that he won't give different
prognostications later. His opinions, not mine, so send flames to him.


1) Notre Dame will win the national championship

2) Penn State will only lose one game, to Notre Dame of course.

3) Miami will lose by three touchdowns at Penn State.

4) Bill Walsh will beat Texas A&M by three touchdowns.
   It is not clear if he meant Stanford will defeat A&M by three TDs, or
   if Bill Walsh will do so alone.

5) Notre Dame probably did not know about the loan to Demetrius DuBose,
   so they should not penalized, but ND should have the linebacker sit
   out a year.

-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

"Boredom is a vital problem for the moralist, since at least half the sins of
 mankind are caused by the fear of it."  - Bertrand Russell (1930)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: r1n7008@rigel.tamu.edu (Bob)
Subject: Bill Walsh can NOT beat the Aggies!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:34:00 GMT

Just like this topic. 

Bill's socalled multiple offense is NO MATCH to the nation's
#1 defense in A&M.

Bob
__________
From: flynn@ocf.berkeley.edu (Owen John Flynn III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A&M BEATS BILL WALSH
Date: 27 Aug 1992 19:50:57 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

	OK, let's take off the kid gloves and tell it like it is.
  The Pigskin Classic was only exciting if you happen to be partial
  to one of the two teams involved.    
	Being a Pac-10 fan I'll lay into A&M a little first.
  TAMU IS THE GREATEST 11 MAN TEAM IN THE NATION. Great defense;
  what stopped you from recruiting and training an offense? If you
  look at the game stats, TAMU is the equivalent of a Pac-10 Washington
  Defense and an Oregon Offense wed in unholy matrimony. And spare me
  the "Offense that showed up in te 4th qtr" diatribe. Your running
  back showed some character, but your QB didn't have the confidence
  to start throwing until after the 2nd and 3rd stringers proved equally
  ineffective; at that point I believe he threw because there was nothing
  to lose. I am also not convinced that TAMU could have come back without 
  that Godsend of officiating which not only allowed A&M to MUG the
  Stanfraud receiver, but to also take possession of the ball (although
  I had to admire the DB's audacity; quite a showman, but I hate seeing
  that crap effect a close game). The O-line needs some serious retooling;
  if your RB ever getsa chance I'll bet he turns into a serious weapon.
	And now it's Walsh and diciples turn for a little more reality
  (though from the general dearth of Stanfraud posting, perhaps last
  night was enough). Good defense; they managed to more than adequately
  take advantage of an offense that was easily bullied in the trenches
  for most of the game (it didn't hurt that they didn't have too worry
  much about the pass attack less accurate than my old spring-loaded
  Red-Ryder bb-gun at 25 yards). Glyn Milburn also had a decent night,
  but definitly did nothing to help himself in the Heisman Hunt. If    
  the O-line would have given him a little more to work with, maybe
  he'd have looked a little better. Where was that 4.3 speed Glyn is
  supposed to have? I didn't see it. As for THE GENIUS HIMSELF, from 
  my television I saw an offense that was confused and inconsistant.
  Perhaps Walsh's offense was a tad too complex for mere mortal college
  players to execute to advantage. AND Stenstrom is no Montana Jr.
  I have probably given too much credit to Stanfraud's offense in comparing
  A&M's defense with the Husky D, but only time and UW will tell.
	I wouldn't have bothered jumping on TAMU or STANFRAUD except for 
  the prior arrogance of their players, fans, and coaches in proclaiming
  themselves '92 Nat'l Champs. I guess both teams really believed that
  they could back it up, but for the sake of everyone's viewing pleasure
  this season I hope neither turns out to be a legitimate top 10 team
  this year unless they significantly improve. Though Stanfraud lost,
  I see them with the most potential for improvement.

						GO BEARS! 
						Owen Flynn
.

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From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Subject: Re: thurman thomas/barry sanders commercial
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:27:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.101138.25291@news.cs.indiana.edu>, "Sid Kitchel" <kitchel@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
|> cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
|> 
|> |>I saw a cute commercial the other day.
|> |>This is not intended to start an ongoing
|> |>debate about who the best running back in
|> |>the NFL is, merely to relate a cute
|> |>commercial.
|> 
|> |>It was a commercial for Oklahoma State football
|> |>tickets with both Thurman Thomas and Barry
|> |>Sanders and it went something like this:
|> 
|> |>Barry Sanders:  I'm often asked who the best running back in the NFL is.
|> |>                I'm not sure I can answer that question, but my friend,
|> |>                Thurman Thomas, can answer it for you.
|> |>Thurman Thomas: Thanks for putting me in the hot seat, Barry.  I am not
|> |>                sure who the best running back in the NFL is either, but
|> |>                I bet he went to Oklahoma State.
|> 
|> 	Not being a real betting person, I won't bet with Thurmon. I
|> will say that I KNOW who the best NFL running back is. He happens to
|> wear silver and blue.
|> 

        Yeah, and he didn't go to OSU.   He's the 'Boys (silver and blue)
   Emmitt Smith (UofF) and 1991's league leader in rushing yards...Nuff said.

 
|> 						soONEr born!!!,
|> 						(trying to be gracious
|> 						 to poor aggies/'pokes)
|> 							   --Sid
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
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Subject: Shameless OSU woofing enclosed
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:06:05 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.
Summary: woof woof woof!

In article <1992Aug31.200843.10591@alc.com>, stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen) writes:
> 
> [All listed times are Pacific, some games may be local only, but I can't
>  tell from the listing.]
> 
>  9/03:	 4:45pm		ESPN	Oklahoma at Texas Tech
>  9/05:	 9:30am		ESPN	Louisville at Ohio State

	9:30 *AM*!!!!  What a crock.  Please say this is a misprint.

	Saturday mornings were meant for recovery, not for football.

	I guess I'll just have to haul myself out of bed and find a cable TV
before breakfast :).

	OSU 17, Louisville 14.  (All 14 in the final five mintues.)

>  9/19:	 9:00am		ABC	(teams to be announced)
> 	 9:30am		ESPN	Oklahoma State at Michigan
> 	11:00am		SC	UCLA at BYU			(West only?)
> 	12:30pm		ESPN	Notre Dame at Michigan State
> 	 3:30pm		ESPN	Ohio State at Syracuse

	Much better :).

	OSU 27, Sorry Excuse 10.  "Missile" shot down by patriots :).

> 11/21:	 9:00am		ABC	Michigan at Ohio State

	OSU 34, That team from up north, 0.  In the rain.  Missedagain coughs it
up five times.                                                       

	Cooper elected President by fickle fans.

> 	 2:00pm		ABC	Rose Bowl (Big Ten #1 vs. Pac-10 #1)

	OSU 28, Washington 27. OT.

	Cooper elected God.  With a term limit :).

	Go ahead, flame me.  I live in Buckeye land.  It just doesn't get any
better than this. :P
                    
Brett                                                      
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From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Arizona State QB Bret Powers Quits, looks to Ohio State
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:46:27 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University


So, Frieder's disease spreads from the ASU basketball team to the
football team.  I have a morbid fascination for this; how long will it
take until ASU's athletic program is down to a couple of scurvy tennis
players and a lone pugnacious cheerleader?

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                The effect of his affected accent affected her,
                   and effected a change in her affections.

  "Oh my God!  I shot my eye out!"  (Ralphie Parker, in "A Christmas Story")
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: Re: Records? was: Defense & Heisman Trophy
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 06:52:52 GMT

In article <stricher-280892195451@stayman.ocean.fsu.edu> stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul) writes:
>Mark Mitchell wrote:
>
>> amazing.  Ty Detmer and Andre Ware completely rewrote the NCAA
>> record books for passing.
>
>Yep, that they did. That they did it against the likes of SMU
>and Utah St is not important.
>
>James

Well, actually, no.

As far as I can tell in 1990 (the year Ty Detmer won) he only held
a three records.  In 1990, what Detmer did to the record books 
was a drop in the bucket compared to what David Klingler did.

Not that the Heisman should be decided on records alone, but if that is
your justification for Detmer winning it in 1990, then it is a pretty
poor one.

Klingler finished 7th in the Heisman polling, he owned the records for
Single Game Touchdowns Passed, Single Game Completions, Single Game 
Yards Gained Passing, Single Game Total Offense, Single Game Attempts,
Season Completions, Season Touchdowns Passed, Season Yards per Game, 
Season Total Offense, Season Total Plays, Season Attempts.  

Compared to Detmer's Season Yards Gained, and Season Most Yards 
Gained per Game, it does tend to make the argument that Detmer
deserved the Heisman based on his "re-writing the record books"
seem somewhat inaccurate.

Klingler held 11 out of 17 NCAA non-career passing records.  
Detmer held 2.  All of these records were set in 1990, the
year that Detmer won the Heisman.  [To be fair,
Detmer already owned the career record most touchdown passes.]
 
One year further back, in 1989, when Ware won the Heisman, it is true
that he did manage to re-write the record books to some degree.
Nothing on the order of his successor Klingler, but still to
a degree.  He owned 4 records:  Season Total Offense (taken by
Klingler in 90), Season Yards Per Game (taken by Klingler in
90), Season Passing Yards Gained (taken by Detmer in 90), Season
Completions (taken by Klingler in 90).

So, all in all, if your argument is that Ware and Detmer deserved
the Heisman because they set the Record books on end, then how
do you deal with Klingler who owned more records than the two
of them combined at the end of the 1990 season?
Compared to Detmer's Season Yards Gained, and Season Most Yards 
Gained per Game, it does tend to make the argument that Detmer
deserved the Heisman based on his "re-writing the record books"
seem
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: OU - Tech
Summary: y
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:01:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: menudo.1992Sep4.170130.20846
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20


  Ouch.  Well, after occasional watchings of the Tech - OU game last night,
my feelings:

  1.  OU has a pretty good new passing offense.
  2.  Tech has a crappy defense.
  3.  OU's defense is a little weak, but they ARE young.  They WILL be dang-
      erous soon.
  4.  Tech's offense showed some flashes of being dangerous.  If they could
      just be dangerous for more than 30-40 yards...
  5.  The officiating could use some practice too.  

  And this is after watching just one parts of one game, so go easy on me if
I'm wrong, okay?


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: A&M-LSU  (was: Re: NCSU!)
Keywords: nn
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:35:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Sep2.203515.8429
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University

In article <1992Sep2.155417.13503@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>J.J. Clyde expounds:
>>Hey cmuck.  I'll be in Death Valley Saturday.  Maybe I'll see ya; in
>>fact, let's get our groups together after the game, pal around, get a
>>bite to eat, talk about the good ol' net.times we've had.
>>
>sounds good to me, email me you phone number, and I can give you a call
>as soon as I get to Baton Rouge friday.  I can let you know where I am
>sitting at that point, and/or we can plan to meet somewhere...
>
>cmuck

Cmuck, make him buy you something to eat after the game.  If A&M wins by 
more than 10, he has to come up here to College Station and buy me something
to eat.  

You drive between College Station and Houston a lot...J.J. was wondering
if he needed to rent a 4WD vehicle to get up here.  Have they finished
paving that road, yet?

- goober (oh, sorry...that should be _after_ a&m wins by more than 10) smith
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From: pat@engr.ucf.edu (Patricia A. Therrien)
Subject: Re: ND Schedules
Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:39:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.182859.15541@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:
>
>Since there has been discussion on ND schedules, here they are from 1993 to 
>1997.  From Blue and Gold Illustrated:
>
>1993                                1994
>S4    NORTHWESTERN                  S3    northwestern
>S11   michigan                      S10   MICHIGAN
>S18   MICH. STATE                   S17   michigan state
>S25   purdue                        S24   PURDUE
>O2    stanford                      O1    STANFORD
>O9    PITT                          O8    boston college
>O16   byu                           O15   BYU
>O23   USC                           O29   NAVY
>O30   navy                          N12   florida state
>N13   FLORIDA STATE                 N19   AIR FORCE
>N20   BOSTON COLLEGE                N26   usc
>
>Home games in caps!
>-- 
>           Susan E. Schudt                    0 0
>     Dept. of Chemical Engineering
>      Goooooooooooooooooo  IRISH!           \_____/
>             Win Twins!

Just to let y'all know, the game vs. FSU in 1994 will be played in
ORLANDO, at the Citrus Bowl (according to the Orlando Sentinel that
is).


-- 
Patty Therrien				|   "Some folks see a birds eye view,
University of Central Florida		|    Others haven't got a clue"
Department of Mechanical Engineering	|
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From: edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Edmondson)
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:29:42 GMT

m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson) writes:

>Bama fans. Your team tried very hard to give that game away but you still
>hung on to win. One thing I'm sure you have learned by now. Dealing with
>many of the CU fans is like dealing with a woman in the midst of a severe
>case of PMS (Sorry Ladies - it's the best analogy I can think of at the moment). They are so daggum tempermental. And what a case of tunnel vision.
>Gheesh. I've only met a few (I live in Colorado) that will talk logically
>about their team. 

Hey Husker-

I live in Alabama and I've never met a BAMA fan that will admit that
The Bear is dead, much less talk logically about their team.  I guess
following up on the thread about special teams, with David "Duece"
Palmer BAMA would have been pretty mediocre last year.  But - they did
have him, and he is back this year too.

>Husker Henderson

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> M_Henderson               | "Could you please continue the petty bickering?
> Marty Henderson           |  I find it most intriguing."   ---    Data, 
> Woodland Park, Colorado   |  Star Trek, The Next Generation, "Haven"
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Rich Edmondson, Huntsville, AL       War Damn Eagle!
edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov        Hey Bama, see ya in Auburn!
                                     Hey Eric, tape this! (|) <- butt
From: marsden@ioctl.cs.fsu.edu (Jonathan Marsden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Kickoff classic Iowa-NCSU (Big-10 vs ACC)
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:32:25 GMT
Reply-To: marsden@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science

In article <67090@hydra.gatech.EDU> you write:
>rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) wrote:
>}
>}Well, Njan, ill take it even further. Iowa is a big time program, whereas
>}NCSU is an Acc upstart.
>
>And you can stop right there!  Any ACC team in the Kickoff Classic is
>going to get creamed - that is a given.

Maybe Ga Tech might have a problem with a "big time" program, but I'm pretty
certain that FSU would handle any of the BIG-10 school handily (given they
play to their potential and don't get too complacent when they are far
ahead).  In fact, I am more worried about losing the Clemson game this year
than I was of the Michigan game last year.

Jonathan Marsden
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