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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: OPS- predictor?
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:37:09 GMT


As has been recently noted on the net, the Orioles lead the AL 
in OPS but not in runs scored per game.

Since OPS has been shown to correlate well with run scoring
I wondered if this might have some predictave value -
i.e. If the difference is luck, then it ought to even out
some when given more time.

So I checked last year's AL and NL ranking in OPS and R/G
at the All-Star break and computed R/G rank - OPS rank for each
team. 

I then looked at the teams that differed by 3 or more and looked at
how their R/G rank changed from All-Star break to season's end.

+6 Tor. up 1 (12th to 11th)  -6 Mil. up 1 (4th to 3rd)
+6 Cin. up 3 (7th to 4th)    -5 Cal. down 7 (6th to 13th)
+6 Min. up 5 (9th to 4th)    -4 K.C. down 3 (5th to 8th)
+4 Bos. up 1 (8th to 7th)    -4 Phi. down 2 (8th to 10th)
+3 Bal. same (10th)          -3 Det. same   (2nd)
                             -3 N.Y. down 6 (2nd to 8th)

Most teams did move in the 'predicted' direction and all 
'closed ranks' so-to-speak. 

The total difference in the AL dropped from 40 to 19, in
the NL from 22 to 14.
This years total differences are AL:14 and NL:18.
There were no '-3' teams the 'worst' was NY, 
tied for 9th in OPS and 7th in R/G (I called this -2.5)

So, if this observation has predictive value, 
(Here's where I go on record)
the teams most likely to decline in R/G are 
the Mets (-2.5) and the '-2' teams MIL,PHIL,PITT

The '+3' teams (all are at +3)
SEA, ATL,STL,SD. (Most likely to improve?)

I suppose that it would be better to run some sort of regression
and look for teams furthest off the predicted values, but
I was just looking for a quick way - and didn't feel like actullay
doing that work.

Conclusions? The possibilty is there, but 
looks like a small sample size to me.
I suppose it should be checked more thouroughly

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: bew@druwa.ATT.COM (WeissBE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: 6 hits in inning without scoring
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:48:59 GMT
Distribution: rec


dgh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Doug Huffer) writes
>Can a team get six hits in an inning and not score a run?? (Remember, based
>on 1951 rules, so scoring may have changed since then, I'm not sure.)   

Following is a puzzle that Hal Lebovitz, formerly of the Cleveland
Plain Dealer, periodically posed, but never answered in the newspaper:

How can a team get 3 triples, 1 double, 2 singles, and 2 stolen
bases in their half of an inning without scoring?  He claimed it
actually occurred in a minor league game.  I will send the
solution later.

Barry Weiss
AT&T Bell Laboratories
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Indians/Twins Game-8
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:21:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19270
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo

The indians came in as under dogs... but are on the verge
of sweeping the series at the dome with Charles Nagy on
the mound for game-9.

The indians play the first inning like the 9th with agressive
base running and countered the agressive style of the Twins.
To beat an aggresive team like the Twins, the opposite team
needs to be equally agressive.

The indians also took advantage of some shaky starting pitching
of Minnesota and added to that is Kirbie's relative slump...

But the Indians have clearly outplayed the Twins in both the
games 8 & 9.

Today Smiley takes the mound for the Twins.... an interesting
matchup with Nagy who is the first AL-pitcher to get a hit 
and score a run in an ALL-STAR game.

S.h
Forever...a Twins Fan
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From: phhill@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (ROBERT HILL)
Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Mon, Jul 27th, 1992
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In article <1992Jul29.180130.17810@trentu.ca>, pyacm@trentu.ca 
(A Colin Morton) writes...
> 
>P.S.  While I'm a bigger Expos' fan than I am a Jays' fan, I must say
>that some of the posts referring to the 'spos' surge of late have been
>pretty obnoxious.

    Well, we're not all that bad. Most of us on the Expos mailing list
realize its way too early to be thinking pennant, but it sure is nice
to see the way the young kids have come along. DeShields has been 
absolutely awesome for the last month or so and Walker has been great
since the middle of last year.

>Having lived through the invasion of the Penguins'
>fans on rec.sport.hockey (no offense, Sherri et al.), I have seen the
>future, and it scares me.

    Yeah, that was pretty ugly, but we'd have to be awfully biased,
ignorant and obnoxious to reproduce what happened on r.s.h. I can still
see lots of problems and faults with the Expos and I'm sure many other
Expos fans aren't blind either.

Bob
From: ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Metrodome roof/et.al. was Re: Aturf
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:04:26 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1992Jul21.161110.23401@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman) writes:

>If not from Boston, then from somewhere else.  Since they've been in the 
>Metrodome, Minnesota has demonstrated the largest home/road differential,
>by far, of all the teams in baseball.  They know how to play that park, 
>especially the roof backdrop, and apparently the teams that come in twice 
>a year don't pick it up.  From experience, it seems to me that one game 


Here in Atlanta, we HATE the "homerdome" after last October.  And by the
way you can ask Lonnie Smith about not only how hard it is to pick
up the ball in that ballpark, but how hard it is to pick up the third
base coach.   :-)


Kirby seems to know exactly how to play there.  Want is the situation
with another contract for him?
-- 

Mike Marler                        | "Saving every nickel to spend on my
Internet: ccastmm@prism.gatech.edu |  my next set of thrills..." -somebody
Disclaimer: These views are not and should not be viewed as those of OIT.
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From: djohnson@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (David Johnson)
Subject: Re: Herzog Seen Shopping In Syracuse
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:33:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.143618.28693@epas.toronto.edu> binkley@epas.utoronto.ca (P. Binkley) writes:
>BW says the Jays are "reportedly" interested in Tim Fortugno, just
>called up fom AAA, who pitched against Toronto on Monday (5 2/3 IP, 5
>H, 3 R).  Does anyone know anything about him?
>
>Peter Binkley
>binkley@epas.utoronto.ca
>
I have heard this too.  I have trouble understanding why Toronto would be 
interested in a 30 year old rookie.  So far he has looked good in his first
few starts but he is still unproven and would be kind of risky to use
in a pennant race.  He may be put in as an additional player in a trade
for Abbott but wouldn't likely be traded by himself.

--David Johnson
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Pitching changes: Managerial rules?
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:37:29 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 005910IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU, IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan Robbins) writes:
>Ninety pitches in a game for a professional isn't that bad at all.
>However, I disagree that there should be rules prohibiting managers
>from overusing their pitchers. That is not to say that I am not
>concerned for pitchers' health.
>
>One hundred, twenty-five pitches would be the maximum I would
>allow someone to throw in a game. There should be a pitch limit
>rule - instituted by pitchers themselves. I also believe that
>fines should be levied by leagues against managers and pitching
>coaches who either force or permit their pitchers to overexert
>themselves.

A suggestion with potential. However, I believe first there needs to be
a change in "Baseball Culture". Professional athletes seem extremely concerned
with how their testosterone level is perceived by others and not always with
their health or how important that health his to the team (e.g. Buckner in the 
famous Red Sox and Mets series). But more importantly, athletes 
(especially pitchers)are not encouraged to watch their exertion. Pitchers 
are looked down upon if they don't want to pitch 9 innings every game 
(take a look at some of the posting on the "How many pitches did Cone throw?" 
thread), and so rarely want to give up the ball. You can say that such 
tendencies are part of an athlete's "competitive nature" but it seems 
clear to me that such pressure (to pitch *lots* of innings) persists. 
Last year, Giants left-hander Trevor Wilson balked at the prospect at 
pitching out of turn (on reduced rest) because he wasn't feeling strong 
and itcaused a minor clubhouse controversy and irritated Roger Craig. 
Don Robinson ended up taking the ball, even though he was a bundle of 
tape, and got all sorts of accolades. How about Orel Herchiser? Throwing 
a 2 games in the NLCS and entering another in relief. It was lauded then,
but what condition is Orel in now? Granted, things aren't as bad as in say, 
the 'teens, when pitchers sometimes threw in both ends of a double-header, 
but progress needs to be made.


Michael Wong.
From: efindler@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edward Findler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 69 Mets
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:04:13 GMT
Reply-To: efindler@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edward Findler)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.baseball, Don@wang.com (Don Rivard) writes:
>Who were the 4 mets pitchers during the 69 seasons?
>Also who were the 4 20 game winners for baltimore?
>Thanx

Just off the top of my head, the Oriole pitchers were:

Jim Palmer
Dave McNally
Mike Cuellar
Wally Bunker?

Also, I think the year they all won 20  as 1971.


Ted Findler
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From: exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson)
Subject: Re: Twins/Bo-Sox Game-8.......7/23/92 evening game
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:22:21 GMT

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>------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>In article <19314@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan
>>>Game-9 which promised some good pitching battle between the
>>>Rocket and Erickson was washed out today and a double header
>>>(games 8 & 9) will be held tomorrow.
>>>
>>>With great dissappointment, I switched the TV off.......
>>>
>>I was settling down with my wife for a nice evening of pizza and Twins.
>>I've got other things I've got to do tonight, so I won't be able to
>>watch.
>>
>>You realize that there's only one way to stop rainouts from happening....
>>
>>David Thornley
>>"Fenway must be domed" - Cato the Elder

>Dome 'em all !!!!!!!!

>Wrigleydome
>Tigerdome
>Orioles Park at Camden Domes
>Comiskeydome
>Jack Murphy Dome
>Candlestick Dome  (actually not a bad idea)

>-------------

>Billy K. "A baseball purist's nemesis"

>  -Long live the dh, astroturf, domed stadiums, and anything else that
>        bugs Costas and the rest of you pin-headed purists.  I can only
>        that they legalize the aluminum bat!!!!!

>   -Hey you purists....stick it up yer Elias!!!!!!!!

>(just having fun at my own expense...)
BRAVO BRAVO Billy,
If you purists want purity...lets go back to MITS that just fit over the 
hand so players really have to be players and FEILD the ball instead of 
sticking out a NET to snatch the ball.
change is good
modernization of everything is evolution!! including BASEBALL inside...
ART TURF/or GRASS INDOORS...
INSTANT REPLAY
etc 
jt
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From: Jarrod.Miller@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jarrod Miller)
Subject: Re: All right, let's settle Stathead vs. Intangiblehead FOR GOOD.
Keywords: Duel, Honor, Hot Fudge Lundy, NuKid [tm]. Steerific...
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:08:07 GMT

In article <15621@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Not Just For The Dead Huckabay) writes:
>How about a stathead softball game?  Pro-Stat versus anti-stat, nine
>innings of slow pitch, losers shut up forever on the topic.  

I'd love to see this.  But where would I go, since I think some
sabremetrics are stupid (Even stat-heads don't like everything), but
some stats are very interesting, and some are so accurate it's scary. 
Does that mean I get to umpire?  :)

"We will, we will rock you" -Frederick Bulsara and Friends

-jarrod


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From: timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin)
Subject: Re: Both Canadian teams in first place
Keywords: Canadian first
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:07:49 GMT

maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern) writes:

>I believe this is the first time (other than the first one or two days 
>of a season) that both Canadian teams have been in first place at the
>same time.  How'd you like a World Series played completely in Canada, eh?

So do they only play "Oh, Canada" before the games, or would there be some
excuse to play both anthems?

Mike Timlin
timlin@spot.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary)
Subject: Re: Rocket Roger, Enfant Terrible
Reply-To: bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:35:02 GMT


In a previous article, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) says:

>In article <Bs455q.Jpt@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul28.160020.16072@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman) writes:
>>>I don't see anything particularly unusual about Clemens' behavior when you
>>>measure it against that of most baseball players......
>>
>>
>>	This arguement reminds me of how Bob Knight can do no wrong
>>	in the eyes of the typical Hoosier.  The end justifies the
>>	means...
>
>Well, while Glenn is definitely a Red Sox fan, I am not particularly a Red
>Sox fan (though I don't dislike them intensely), and I agree with Glenn:  I
>don't see anything particularly unusual about Clemens' behavior when you
>measure it against that of most professional athletes.  
>
>Yes, he cursed and threw hamburger buns.  What did you expect him to do,
>write a withering letter to the editor?

Some would cite this as progress for Roger...

>>	Someone mentioned that Clemens is the best pitcher in baseball.
>>	Is he really still?  I think he's slipping (at least that's
>>	a perception - I'm sure some numbers will prove me wrong)...
>
>Clemens has a 2.18 ERA in 156.2 innings, allowing 117 hits, 40 walks, and
>striking out 131, averaging 7 2/3 innings per start, while pitching his
>home games in hitter-friendly Fenway park.  If that's slipping, I'd like
>some more of it.
>
>Only Guzman of Toronto (2.03 ERA, 137.1 IP, 92 H, 50 W, 133 Ks, 6 2/3
>IP/start) and Appier of KC (2.12 ERA, 152.2 IP, 117 H, 43 W, 104 Ks, just
>under 7 1/3 IP/start) are comparable this year in the AL, and given the DH
>effect, no one is comparable in the NL. 

How about Greg Maddux?  I don't have the stats right here, but I think
he has a 2.21 ERA in about 140 IP with very impressive H/IP and W/IP.
In *Wrigley Field* !

> Given that Rocket Roger has been
>performing at this level for quite a few years now, and Appier and Guzman
>haven't, I have no problem with the claim that Clemens is still the best
>pitcher in baseball.

Me neither.  Could make an argument for GMaddux as #2 if he keeps this up
for the rest of the season.


>Sherri Nichols
>snichols@adobe.com
>

-- 
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JHU School of Med.			I've made." --Dan Quayle
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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: Re: Where have all the flakes gone?
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:55:04 GMT


In article <92204.084513U39730@uicvm.uic.edu> Norma Kateeb  
<U39730@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> Are there any modern day flakes left in baseball?
> It seems that now that the players' salaries are so
> much higher, that very few guys are really playing for the
> pure love and enjoyment of the game.  I still love baseball
> but I think that there are too few wacko personalities out there.
> They used to give the game a lot of color and made it a lot more
> fun and interesting. Do we have guys today like Mark "The Bird"
> Fidrych" or Bill "Spaceman" Lee?  Even the managers are boring.
> No Earl Weavers or Billy Martins that I know of--totally colorless.
> 
> Okay fans--is there anyone today--be it player, manager, GM, umpire--
> ANYONE who adds some life and fun to the game today?

gee, I remember reading this back in the 70's too
(the names were different though...)
In 20 years you can probably write that we don't have guys like Ozzie Smith,  
Kirby Puckett, Andy Van Slyke (the human quote machine)...

seeing, hearing
john rickert
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: palmer2@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca (The Econoclast)
Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Wed, Jul 22, 1992
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:45:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.051657.14878@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:

...

> Lets compare the OPS of the Mets players with 100 or more PA with
> Bill James' predictions for fun:
> 		Actual		Predicted		Diff

> Johnson		.683		.792			-.109 (Amit???)

	Amit, you have an obligation to make sure someone photographs
your following through on your commitment at the end of the season, 
scans it into a GIF file, and posts the uuencoded version to the net.


> If Plantier goes, I go!				tedward@cs.cornell.edu

	Another rash promise? Where?
	
-- 

  Regards,

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From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: CF METS
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:12:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

it's true.  howard volunteered to move to left full time.
so he's playing there for the rest of the season.  i don't know if
 coleman is playing center now, or what...

- bob gaj
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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: Re: What makes a great leadoff?
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:21:42 GMT


In article <3643@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)  
writes:
> In article <1992Jul23.195514.22037@cs.rose-hulman.edu>  
rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) writes:
> >It's not really a long tradition. There's an article from the 50's 
> >in Baseball Digest's aniiversary issue talking about lineup selection.
> >The 'conventional wisdom' of the day was that a leadoff hitter needed to 
> >get on base. This started changing in the 60's.
> 
> I'm not sure this is so cut-and-dried. 
> 
> Look at Luis Aparicio.  His career ran from '56 to '73, and he spent the
[stats'n'stuff deleted]

I'll agree that it's not cut-and-dried (such things rarely are),
but I believe that Aparicio marked the start of the shift in attitude.
In the 50's it was believed that leadoff men needed to get on base, 
but when th White Sox (& Dodgers with Wills) became successful 
the attitude shifted toward speed in leadoff batters. 
I'll take a look and see if I can verify or refute this.

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Where have all the flakes gone?
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:59:01 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.baseball, U39730@uicvm.uic.edu (Norma Kateeb) writes:
>Are there any modern day flakes left in baseball?
>Okay fans--is there anyone today--be it player, manager, GM, umpire--
>ANYONE who adds some life and fun to the game today?

Rick Dempsey has done multiple interviews as Johny Oates. They both
are about the same age/size/moustache etc. Some sports commentators
have been fooled.

Ben McDonald played for about a week with one Elvis/90210 sideburn on
a dare from Brady Anderson.

These are not as hysterical as Norm Cash going to the plate with a table
leg batting against Nolan Ryan but, it is a start.

-Brian
From: ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Weitzel a Pirate fan?
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:58:41 GMT
Reply-To: ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH


Is that infamous pirate fan from Virginia a contributor
to this board?  Please reply via email.  Thanks!

-Carl
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Free agency
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 21:40:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.180154.17576@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>
>Does anybody know the exact rules on free-agency?  Players with six
>years major league service qualify.  How is that counted?  By days on
>the roster?  Is it six years from the first appearance on a major
>league roster?  What about John Dopson?  (Has spent a couple years on
>the DL.)

I am not exactly sure about how six years are counted, but I am pretty sure
that DL time counts.  John Tudor, for example, spent almost the entire '90 on
DL, but still became a free agent after that season.

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