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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Final Approach; Did it show in theaters?
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:56:31 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
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Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

echristo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Elena A Christofides) writes:

>>> It did play in little artsy theaters around the country for about 2-3 weeks.
>Unfortunately I was gone for most of that time and never got to see it - though
>I know it's supposed to be excellent!
>>> Anyone else? Soundtrack?
>>>DOC

I rented it and thought it was terrible.  Boring and unoriginal.
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From: dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892)
Subject: Re: Amish and photos (was Re: Dracula)
Organization: NASA GSFC CDP VLBI
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:56:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.122624.25432@osf.org>, buchman@osf.org (Terri Buchman) 
> In article <26562@optima.cs.arizona.edu> Margaret Newman,
> margaret@cs.arizona.edu writes:

>>I have a question on vampires not having a reflection in mirrors. 

> The vampire cast no reflection because it has no soul.  Some
> cultures believe that there is a spiritual link between a person and
> the image that they cast.  The Amish dislike of having their picture
> taken stems from the belief that when you take their image you take
> a little piece of them, their souls, away.
>

Having lived among the Amish myself, let me assure you that rumors to
this effect are bigotted horseshit.

It is true that Amish do not like being photographed.  This is simply
because they do not approve of the making of graven images.  It is
philosphically similar to the prohibition against images of people
in Muslim art.  In part, this is simply a literal interpretation of
the biblical prohibition.  But also, pictures of people are regarded
as a glorification of self, as vanity, which is discouraged.  Wanting
to be in a picture would be vain.  The Amish who tolerate being photo-
graphed customarily look away so that the are not acknowledging the
photo or implying approval.  They want no part in the glorification of
themselves.

Whether or not the biblical prohibition on graven images stems from a
fear of sympathetic magic, is an interesting point.  But the Amish do
not share that superstition.
From: al194515@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Juan Carlos Garcia Martinez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Jackie Chan films
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:58:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: academ01.al194515.722015911

There is also an old film, the first I saw from him, called "The Fist of the Snake", but it's only good if you're a small kid. 
Juan Carlos Garcia
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From: wildman@athena.mit.edu (Timothy Worsley)
Subject: Re: Jackie Chan filmography/M.A.M.A.	
Reply-To: eprice@sybase.com
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:36:36 GMT

Regarding "Martial Arts Movie Associates",
in article <12NOV199215090217@pavo.concordia.ca>
ts_rost@pavo.concordia.ca (*TsR) writes:

>I've never seen nor heard of this anywhere - not that you would probably know
>where I could get it (this *is* Canada, after all...), but does it have a 
>mailing address for subscriptions/info?

Sorry, I should have included that info originally.  (I didn't because
I had just made a long posting about various zines to alt.cult-movies.)

Send $10 for a one-year (4 issues) subscription to:

William Connolly
6635 DeLongpre #4
Hollywood, CA 90028

It doesn't say anything about foreign or Canadian orders however.  I
assume there might be complications.

Good luck,

-Ed (not Tim), eprice@sybase.com (not wildman@...)
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From: evorst@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Ed Vorst)
Subject: Dracula 
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:48:00 GMT

	OK people, I don't know which movie you went to see, but Coppola's
Dracula is among the WORST and most incredibly boring movies I have ever
seen, and I've seen a lot! Even "The Lost Boys" fares better that this
over-rated piece of crap. The movie was far too long; even I could have
done better on a measely two million dollar budget than Coppola did, and
if I am ever forced to watch another bad performance by Winona Ryder, I'm
going to be sick. She can act, as she has shown in the past, As can
Hopkins and Reaves, but none of the three played their parts well in this
flic. I won't even go into Cary Elwes performance, or whoever played that
very out of place looking cowboy.  The only saving grace in this movie is
the young lady who played Nina's (Ryder) best friend. She was wonderful
and she captured the both vicious and erotic parts of the vampyress'
personality very well, something Ryder had a great problem with
considering she has no sexual aura about her whatsoever. Coppola should
have made sure to get an actress who, with so little natural sex appeal,
wouldn't have had such a problem showing her breasts as sexuality seems to be
such an important part of these blood-sucking characters. 
	On the whole, I'm glad I don't revue movies professionally because
that would mean that I would have to see it again, and of all the things I
can do with my time, this is among the very last things I would ever want
to do again.
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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: anthony hopkins
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:49:32 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

01>> He's playing the doctor that takes care of the elephantman in David Lynch's
01>> 'Elephantman'. He played in the recent 'Back to Howard's End'.
01>David Lynch's "Elephantman".....I don't believe it....that ought to be GREAT!

     I don't think that's the movie you think it is.

     Dabid Lynch's THE ELEPHANT MAN was a 1980 movie about John Merrick,
     the horribily disfigured man who became a figure of society (it's a
     long story) in turn-of-the-century England.  It was a dark, very
     depressing, elegant story done in black-and-white, and IMHO it's
     Lynch's very best movie.
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From: alee@ellis.uchicago.edu (Steele Alloy)
Subject: Re: STAR WARS
Reply-To: alee@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:05:52 GMT

In article <dsblack.721516543@vincent2.iastate.edu> dsblack@iastate.edu (Vilkata TDK) writes:
>In <1992Nov11.113334.6389@nntp.hut.fi> pejulaju@sandman.cs.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen) writes:
>
>>In article <001201c.33.721427673@ace.acadiau.ca> 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD) writes:
>
>I think it would be cool either way...  I'd like to see new faces, but having
>people like Robin Williams and Dustin Hoffman in it would be awesome, too!

Actually, I'd like to see Mark Hamill play Anakin.
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From: ksjohnso@mathlab.mtu.edu(KRIS A. JOHNSON)
Subject: Re: DRACULA's Dr. Seward(Richard E. Grant)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:28:49 GMT

In article <BxxBM8.4Hs@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> phd85@seq1.keele.ac.uk (D.H.  
Holden) writes:
> From article <1992Nov18.000121.8075@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, by  
ieng_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (innlingeng):
> > Can someone please email me the section of the Actor's List for
> > Richard E. Grant?  I know I have seen him in L.A. Story, but I
> > would like to know what other films he has been in, and if anyone
> > knows of any information on him.  Has anyone caught him in any
> > TV interviews?  It is a good thing to mix in more British actors in
> > American films, e.g. Gary Oldman and Anthony Hopkins in Dracula...
> > and other films that I wont rack my brain to name.
> > 
> > Well, thanks...       
> > 
> > InnLing Eng
> > ieng_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Grant was also in the movie Warlock (I think), and he played Hugo in Henry  
& June.

KJ
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From: edf250y@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Marks)
Subject: Re: Wim Wenders "Until the end of the world", any good?
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:06:25 GMT

staffelb@acd.ucar.edu (Thomas Staffelbach 497-1499 room 382) writes:


>Does anybody out there have an opinion about this movie they would
>like to share?
>I'm still not decided whether to go and see it tonight.

Apparently the film was produced by two different directors (I thought
Wenders did the whole kit and kaboodle, but not so) - one in Europe
and the other in Australia.  From seeing the movie, I can really believe
it.  The film's about 30-45 minutes too long, and virtually has a ``cut
along dotted line'' when we move from Europe to Australia.  It would
have been more enjoyable if it had been tidied up and finished in 
Europe alone - the transformation is just too disjointed.


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From: redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick)
Subject: Re: BSD - Who to root for?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:08:57 GMT

In article <Ef1nhiO00WBN46GYEY@andrew.cmu.edu> wp11+@andrew.cmu.edu (W Darren Prouty) writes:
>
>   I managed to catch Coppola's film of Bram Stokers Dracula opening
>night with a packed house and must say that it had some of the best
>cinematography I've seen in years. However, the movie had one huge
>fault, there was no definite protagonist or antagonist. 

	This was one of the things I liked about the film.  It 
would have been too easy to have some great hero figure (and
it wouldn't have been as true to the book).  Some of the best
films have no clear definition of "good guys" and "bad guys"
For example: Lawrence of Arabia, The Bridge on the River Kwai,
Blade Runner, Apocalypse Now, Blue Velvet, etc.  Real people
are rarely so pure, and I like it when the audience has to 
grapple with who to identify with and root for, if anyone.
It lends a degree of realism and complexity to the characters,
and consequently makes them, and the film as a whole, more 
interesting.
	Of course, sometimes it works to have these clear
definitions; _Star Wars_ and _Raiders of the Lost Ark_ are
two excellent examples, for they feature heroes and villians
that come across as real even in the light of their dualistic
nature.
From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Re: CHOPPING MALL or KILLBOTS.  Which is it?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:14:34 GMT

In article <1dusseINNism@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs) writes:
>
>In a previous article, darrenl@natinst.com (Darren Lilie) says:
>
>>In my opinion Killbots is a better name for the movie because 
>>Chopping Mall sounds like a slasher movie which this movie is not but

Chopping Mall was the original theatrical title (I was the *only* person in
the theater opening weekend :-). It was marketed as a gore film, but it
wasn't all that bloody (If I remember correctly).

>>I dont see how they can just change the name like that.       
>>Are there any other movies that have done this.

"Night of the Creeps" (which I saw in the theater) became "Homecoming Night"
when it went to video. There are certainly plenty of other movies which
have had title changes after their initial release.

>BTW, the title CHOPPING MALL has little to do with the original version as
>well since there wasn't that much chopping, but I guess the producers were
>targeting the "Friday the 13th/Halloween" contingent.

Yep, that's the audience they went after.
                                             -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
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From: zureick@ucunix.san.uc.edu (John H. Zureick)
Subject: Re: spike lee &  boston celtics
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:10:02 GMT

In article <1ed5rlINN8br@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> joneil@heretix.East.Sun.COM writes:
>i have never seen any spike lee movies, but i understand he has a problem with
>larry bird and the celtics. i read a interview where he states he hopes the red sox and the 
>celtics never will another game.  does anyone know any more info on this, just what is this 
>guy's problem.
>

The guys a big N.Y. Knicks and N.Y. Yankees fan and hates the Celtics
and Red Sox.  Go figure.  I bet he isn't too fond of the Philadelphia
76er's either.

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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Catwoman: feminist or femme fatale?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:33:09 GMT

we@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Winfield Eng) writes:

>>>>+>Melissa Wiley wrote:
>>>>+>> Can anyone give me some info about catwoman's
>>>>+>> comic book history?  Thanks!!! ---Melissa Wiley

>The TPB Greatest Batman Stories Volumes I & II have a bunch of Catwoman
>stories through the years.  From those stories the reader can see the
>pre-Miller catwoman.

>Lady Johanna Constantine mentioned about the Huntress from Earth 2
>from Pre-Crisis days.  I remember reading a villianess named the Huntress
>that wore a yellowish tiger-like outfit.  Is that the same character?
>I believe that she was married to the villian Sportsmaster and later
>became a herione.  Can someone fill me in on this?

>Thanks


Hi.  Me again.  yes, the Huntress was a villian in an almost identical
costume to the Cheetah from WW (The old one, not the Post Crisis Perez book).
Not the same character.  Just the same name (A habit of DC).  After Crisis,
when HElena Wayne was buried beneath some rubble, and then vanished from the
current DC universe completely, DC created a second Huntress: Helena
somethingitalianwithan"i"attheend.  She's actually a good character.  No
longer has her own series.  Became a member of the JLAEIOU thanks to Max's
little "gift".  She disappeared for a while, and tehn reappeared in one of the
Bat's titles.  I get the feeling that sh eis a bit like a more serious, slightly
gritier version of Barbara Gordon's Batgirl right now.  She is much closer ot
the streets than Bats.  I havent read a lot of the Bats titles reently tho
so I could be wrong.


LJC



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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: The Clubfoot Orchestra - Dr. Caligari/Nosferatu
Keywords: silent films
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:10:41 GMT

glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad) writes:

>glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad) writes:

>>"Nosferatu," which includes the excellent "Pool of Thanatos," is on
>>Heyday.  I, too, have seen it in stores, though not for some time.

>You moron.  "Pool of Thanatos" is on the Metropolis disc.  You've
>never even heard a recording of Clubfoot's Nosferatu.

Hey, stop being so hard on the guy. Geez, what is this a flamefest?

I picked up a different film soundtrack to Nosferatu the other day. By
Art Zoyd. Why is it so many artists do soundtracks for the same old
silent films? I can recall Caligari and I think Nosferatu soundtracks
by Bill Nelson also.

   - Malcolm
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 17:13:27 PST
From: <RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Favorite Vampire one-liners

One that sticks in the Bela Lugosi version is the line " You are a clever man P
rof. van Helsing!" It is more the way he says it that cracks you up.

rajagopalan
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From: duelge@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jason Duelge)
Subject: Re: Dracula mistake maybe
Reply-To: duelge@schaefer.UUCP (Jason Duelge)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:14:59 GMT

In article <1e8robINN89l@bigboote.WPI.EDU> firenza@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy Mark Collins) writes:
>  I noticed that after Keanu Reeves character reappeared towards the end of the
>movie, his hair kept changing color.  It went from black to gray to black to a
>lighter gray and then almost all gray.  Was this some sort of error, or did I
>miss something.  I was getting sort of confused.
>
>firenza@wpi.wpi.edu
>
I took this to indicate his fluctuating level of sanity.  If you think
of hair whitening as a sign of supernatural-induced insanity, it fits
pretty well with how his character was coping with the events of the movie.
Not so well at first, but despite a white period in the middle, only grey
at the end.  Wiser, perhaps, but not the same.
Of course, it could have been bad lighting.  :)

Jason

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From: mccaughe@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Eric McCaughrin)
Subject: Re: 2001 shown letterboxed on TNT
Organization: G.R.O.S.S.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:17:18 GMT

revpk@cellar.org (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano) writes:
>I can state with confidence that TNT didn't skimp on 2001:
>what viewers saw was, pretty much, the whole film.

Well, not quite the whole film. I hereby nominate TNT for
the "Worst Placed Commercial" award for putting an advertisement
right where the bone throwing sequence is supposed to be.
What the viewer saw was:

1. Ape-man yelling, ready to throw the bone
2. *** commercials ***
3. Satellite orbiting the Earth

2001 is certainly an editor's nightmare when trying to intersperse
commercials, but junking the most famous scene of the movie was
truly tasteless.

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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Dracula mistake maybe
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:06:23 GMT

In article <BxttpA.J27@inews.Intel.COM> mdouglas@cad067.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Maria Douglas ) writes:
>In article <1e8robINN89l@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, firenza@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy Mark Collins) writes:
>|>   I noticed that after Keanu Reeves character reappeared towards the end of the
>|> movie, his hair kept changing color.  It went from black to gray to black to a
>|> lighter gray and then almost all gray.  Was this some sort of error, or did I
>|> miss something.  I was getting sort of confused.
>
>No, you're very observant.  See my other message with the heading
>"GARY OLDMAN IS A SEXY VAMP--NOT!"  There were continuity problems in
>the movie, this being the most obvious (to me).

I thought this was intentional.  His hair turns grey when confronting
Dracula directly, and reverts when they are no longer facing each
other (though not all the way to black).  They are supposed to be
contrasted with each other (since both are in love with Mina), and
Harker is in some sense more pallid than the Count (the former being a
proper Victorian gentleman, the latter being a virile foreigner).  The
hair perhaps emphasizes this point.



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From: redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula sucked
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:22:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Nov16.233236.1567@objy.com> jenn@objy.com writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.144642.28322@scott.skidmore.edu>, dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter) writes:
>|> 
>|> A quick scan of the Net shows that women liked this movie as a whole
>|> and men were critical.  The guy I saw it with agrees with you-he was bored.
>|> I really enjoyed it. :>
>
>Mostly true, I suppose, but then, the  guy I saw it with said that he thought that it was
>the best movie he's seen in a couple years ... :)  Of course, I should also mention that
>I loved it .... (The screenwriter was at the "sneak-preview" showing I was at, and he
>gave a rather interesting speech ... I thought the movie was _never_ going to start ...)
>

	What did he say in his interesting speech?  Jim Hart is
a strange bird; I'd like to hear his thoughts.

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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: tough question but pe
Date: 23 Nov 92 07:09:05 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

TK>> HI, my friend says she saw a porn film with Sylvester Stallone and
TK>> among other things she saw Mr. Stallone:
TK>The film was orginally called `Party at Kitty and Stud's' and fell
TK>into obscurity.  It was retitled `Italian Stallion' after Rocky made
TK>Stallone famous, to capitalize on his fame. So the nickname was based
TK>on Rocky and not the aforemention skin flick. It's available on video
TK>from cult movie outlets. By today's standards, it would receive an R
TK>rating.  The movie is really quite dull and uninteresting, but may
TK>have some curiosity factor for Stallone fans.

     I've read somewhere that it was not really Sly Stallone "performing"
     in the sex scenes - the naughty stuff was edited into the film from
     a different movie.  This rumour was reported to Stallone himself, and
     he reportedly commented on it, saying something like "And they were
     paid ten grand for that movie?  For ten grand, I would have gone over
     there and done it on the floor right in front of them."

     If anyone has a confirmation/official transcript of this story, it
     would be appreciated.
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