HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.comedy.british,soc.culture.british,alt.fan.monty-python
Subject: Re: Get fucked. Was: Re: Git (was re: Et in Arcadia ego)
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:20:31 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

rob@minster.york.ac.uk wrote:
> 
> The art of gratuitous fucking must have reached its peak with Derek and Clive

What about Lenny Bruce?!

pete
--
*Peter Fenelon -- Research Associate -- Software Safety Assessment Procedures*
Dept. of Computer Science, University of York, York, Y01 5DD (+44/0)904 433388
EMAIL: pete@minster.york.ac.uk `There's no room for enigmas in built up areas'
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.food.historic
From: sawyer@utahep.uta.edu (Lee Sawyer)
Subject: Re: Goober, a Southernism??
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington High Energy Physics Group
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:16:00 GMT

In article <BzB6LH.6HD@icon.rose.hp.com>, bobdev@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Bob Devereaux) writes...
>Gang--
> 
>Yes, yes, I know that "goober" means peanut.  And I know that Goober was
>a character on the Andy Griffith show.  My point is, neither of these
>makes sense as a griffito.  Let me be more explicit:  Does "Debbie Loves
>Goober" have a more specifically sexual connotation in Southern (or
>elsewhere) slang?
> 
>Robert Devereaux

 Step over heah, son, and lemme 'splain. Goober is first and foremost
the true and proper appelation for those legumes that Southern women
since the dawn of time have used in the making of peanut brittle. It
is also a crude and socially unacceptable reference to a certain 
somewhat peanut-shaped part of the male anatomy. The graffitti makes
since, then, as a highly improper reference to the young ladies affinity
to the purient.

 A name like Devereaux, and you don't speak the idiom of Looziana ?
Ah am appalled...

       ================                           
         Lee Sawyer                                  

         Dept of Physics                          
         Univ. of Texas                            
               at Arlington                        

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From: hoosiers@carson.u.washington.edu (Mary Loveless)
Subject: Re: Backhanded compliments and other things I get
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:32:06 GMT

In article <1gt383INNqq2@hal.com> dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.223855.1706@cactus.org>, kate@cactus (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:
>>>spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
>>> 
>>>> Which, belatedly, brings me to the point of my commentary, the crux of my
>>>> query--can anyone else think of, or has anyone else been the subject of
>>>> comparisons that could be interpreted as either praise or condemnation?
>>> 
>>> 
>>
>>(from someone who has just seen me on stage) "Say, you should work in    
>>films!"
>
>o) "Your eyes remind me of my dog."
>o) "Spelling ability is no proof of native intelligence, and you're a
>   perfect example of that."
>-- 
>    Doug Moran        |  You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch;
>   dougm@hal.com      |  you're a nasty, wasty skunk.
> {...}!hal.com!dougm  |  Your heart is full of unwashed socks,
> HaL Computer Systems |  your soul is full of gunk, Mr. Grinch.

And then there was the time I wanted to impress a fellow with the beauty,
wisdom and humanity, not to mention sheer artistic glory, of my
songwriting, so I agreed to play at this afternoon tea, when I heard he
would be there.  Afterward his response was:

"Gee, you've written a lot of songs."  

Then an Everett policeman kissed me on the forehead and assured me, "Don't
worry, Mary, chivalry isn't dead."

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From: dont@StarConn.com (Don Tuite)
Subject: Re: A RAB symposium?
Summary: Jose's or Estrallita's, Perhaps? 
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:17:37 GMT

As the summary says, how about Jose's (on ECR) or Estrallita's (I
may have too many ells there.  The restaurant in on San Antonio,
south of ECR.)  I hope we can set it for Christmas week; I have
to go to Boston this week.

Don Tuite (whose office phone is 415 367 6268)

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Subject: Re: Making notations in your books?
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 03:51:26 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

> jacob@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Tom Jacob) writes:
>
>I like annotated books for much the same reason others have advanced: the
>annotations are often fascinating (and sometimes better than the text).
>Given a clean copy and a well annotated one, I will buy the annotated one.
>

	Agree, though I'd have to read some of the annotations first
	and judge their quality :)  I have a copy of a book called
	_Albert Camus, A study of his work_, by Philip Thody, which
	has two sets of notes by the same person: one set from when
	he read it the first time, the other from a second reading
	six years later (he wrote the dates in).  Was interesting to
	see how his opinions changed.

>Tom Jacob

rms
From: twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: excellent reading!
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:56:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec12.005627.10183
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1gajmlINN5j8@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>Barbara Hlavin writes:
>>
>>	My own assumption was that Tom was suggesting that there was a 
>>	piece of information about the book that might be of interest 
>>	to the person recommending it. 

>Somewhat disingenuous Barbara. If McDogsnot really believed that, why
>did he not just publish the factoid?
>
Well, you see, Francis, I thought it the kind of humorous observation 
one person might make to a group of friends who had just spent ten hours 
discussing the merits of, say, _Atlas Shrugged_ when a new person 
enters the room and says brightly, "Say, has anyone ever heard of 
Ayn Rand?"  -The equivalent of a wry exchange of glances in a family 
gathering. 

Not particularly indulgent to the new-comer, perhaps, but essentially
good-natured, and entirely devoid of malice, unlike the recent 
contributions of Heather the Heavy-handed, however highly valued her 
bon mots may be by select members of the group. 
>
But then, it has recently been pointed out to me by a Near&Dear that 
I'm very naive for my weight class, so maybe the disingenuousness is 
really not so dis-. 
>
--Barbara, shrugging
>
By the way, Francis, do me a favor for the Christmas season and stop 
calling Tom by that ugly name, OK?  It's lost whatever virtue it 
may once have possessed of novelty, and I'd really appreciate it.

 
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From: heidi@wales.net.com (Heidi Wolf)
Subject: Re: All I want for xmas 
Keywords: Dorothy Dunnett - long may she reign 
Organization: N.E.T., Redwood City, CA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:15:11 GMT

In article <34V502qf2f.T01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jjh00@diag.amdahl.com writes:
> [lots of interesting books deleted for brevity]
>
>Anything by Dorothy Dunnett, who seems to be
> completely out of print


You're in luck: she has two in print (in hard cover) right now:

	SCALES OF GOLD (fourth in the "Niccolo" series)
	SEND A FAX TO THE KASBAH* (the latest in the "Johnson" series)

* that's the American title; its British title is MOROCCAN TRAFFIC


Heidi Wolf, who has SCALES OF GOLD on her if-no-one-buys-me-this-
  then-I'm-buying-it-for-myself list

Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:22203 talk.philosophy.misc:2907
From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: William T. Vollmann (was: Yet another would be Xmas list)
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:19:16 GMT

Ron Hogan writes:
>And if any paperback editions of either of the first two of William
>Vollmann's Seven Dreams come out in paperback in this country, I'll
>buy them then and there.

What I really like about these Christmas lists, is finding out who
knows what about whom.  William Vollmann has a wonderful piece entitled
"The Grave of Lost Stories" in one of my horror anthologies, and I've
been curious to find out more about him.  Do tell!

							--Fiona
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: It fills us. We arrange it. It decays.
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:34:07 GMT



kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) writes:
 
> chucks@uars2.acd.ucar.edu (Chuck Smythe) writes:
 
>|> In article <=8j288a@rpi.edu> I wrote:
 
>|> [my codswallop deleted]
 
>|> Er - "codswallop" is the style of the moment?
 
>|> I presume that Fiona's point is just this; the emotional consequences of
>|> the memory are the same whether it refers to a real, physical event or not.
 
> Um, yeah. I missed Fiona's point by about a mile. She was nice enough to
> point this out to me in private e-mail in a non-flamish manner. I hope
> this will forestall any more public chastisements, but if not, I guess
> I've earned them.
 
I suspect that this flurry of articles which Jim has been posting
is an attempt to gain access to the Inner Clique of r.a.b, before
making his appearance at the NYC r.a.b.fest (White Horse Tavern @
11th & Hudson, Wednesday the 16th, 7:30).     :-)
 
But, I am actually responding to this thread about a book!
 
In Diane Middlebrook's biography of Anne Sexton, it comes out that
Anne Sexton believed that her father sexually abused her as a child.
There was no evidence that this actually happened.  In fact, Sexton's
psychiatrist believed that it did *not* happen.  But he felt that
it was an important to treat her as if it had really occurred -- at
least until she was at a point where they could confront *why* she
believed it.
 
 
Mark
 
 
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From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)
Subject: Re: Books with a sense of humor (was: A modest proposal)
Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:53:41 GMT

rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
> gwr@hedonist-1.lanl.gov (Graham W. Redgrave) writes:

>>Who was it who claimed the bible has one joke?  Of course it was by
>>Jesus; that guy gets all the good lines...
>>I can't even think of the joke.

>I think it's during the crucifixion; Christ says to Peter, "Peter, I
>can see your house from up here."

No, no - it's "Save me an Easter egg; I'll be back on Sunday."

P.
-- 
moorcockheathersiainbankshamandcornpizzapjorourkebluesbrothersspikeleepratchett
clive  P a u l   M o l o n e y    "I'm pretty witty and you're itty bitty    pe
james  Trinity College, Dublin     And isn't it a pity the city can't see?   vr
brownbladerunnerorsonscottcardprincewatchmenkatebushbatmanthekillingjoketolkien
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From: oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan Yigit)
Subject: Re: The word "homophobic"
Organization: York U. Student Information Systems Project
	<Bz9FJL.264@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca>
	<1992Dec15.021834.18507@husc3.harvard.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:07:51 GMT

Michael Zeleny writes [most of it elided] in response to Mike Morris:

   As for your cult of free will, you ought to read more Spinoza.

However interesting it may be to read Spinoza's theorems and scholiums,
I suspect that for this topic, Dennett's "Elbow Room" makes for a much
more up-to-date reading.

oz
From: jrickard@eoe.co.uk (John Rickard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Quotes, quotes, quotes
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:19:35 GMT
Organization: EO Europe Limited, Cambridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Peter Chubb (peterc@suite.sw.oz.au) asks what work is quoted or
alluded to by Dorothy L. Sayers when she writes in Gaudy Night:
: 	`The duke drained a dipper of brandy and water and became
: 	 again the perfect English gentleman'

  He strode hastily to the sideboard, drained a dipper and a half of
  brandy, and became again the perfect English gentleman.

     -- Gertrude the Governess: or, Simple Seventeen,
        by Stephen Leacock

This actually refers to an earl, not a duke.  The story is in Stephen
Leacock's book Nonsense Novels ("London: John Lane, The Bodley Head.
New York: John Lane Company. MCMXVII") and often appears in selections
of his work.

-- John Rickard
From: spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Marry, xmas
Date: 18 Dec 1992 01:01 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


In the spirit of the hollandaise season upon us all, I offer without comment a
reproduction of a post I made a spot earlier to Texas A&M VAXNotes conference
I frequent.

Another xmas tradition:  reruns.




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..the Dictator Miss Albus lights up and sez, "A kind of grendeler nation!"

Right then Tiny Dim is borne in on the humped shoulders of the seventeen-
and-a-half member all-midget Kute Kripple's Khoir who are singing a
hart-rendering rendition of "O Tannin' Baum," at the climax of which Tiny Dim
ejaculates, "Bog blast us;  envy won!"

Gawain, in the corner watching some ecologists axe evergreens, opines, "Ya
know, Xmas ain't what it used to be."











In Rejoyce,
Yours etc.,





SubGenius
From: kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: All I want for xmas
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:37:27 GMT
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx



All I want for Christmas is a month's paid holiday so I can finish
The Goldbug Variations, read Foucault's Pendulum, and re-read William
Gaddis' JR, something I've been meaning to do for years. Possibly
read some of those Arthur Ransome novels in between, to cleanse my palate.

And that would be just the _beginning._

Wondering if that's so very much to ask,


Kate



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- - - - - - - -
kate@cactus.org
Be the voice of night and Florida in my ear.
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: question for Arabian Nights fans
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 23:18:27 GMT

In article <3523@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
>[talking about Sinai Tapestry and Jerusalem Poker by Edward Whittmore]
>
>In article <BzEKIK.E0x@dunaad.co.uk> ah@dunaad.co.uk (Alan Hunter) writes:
>>                                         ^^^^^^^^^
>>Whittemore.
>>   
>Erk.  Thank you.
>
>>>(The third in the series, 'Nile Shadows', was disappointing.)
>>
>>No it wasn't, read it again! Where's the fourth?
>>
>I did!  Let me rephrase that to 'I was disappointed'.  I wish I knew where
>the fourth was.  

I'll agree with all of that.  I was disappointed by "Nile Shadows", as
well, and still wish I knew where to find the fourth one.  I look for
Whittemore's books in almost any decent bookstore I go into, but they
almost never have them.

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: U48073@uicvm.uic.edu (Cole Kendall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Lay of the Li'l Minstrel
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:44:55 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Dec11.190459.23618@athena.mit.edu>, kamorgan@athena.mit.edu
(Keith Morgan) says:
>
>The Dec. 7th New Yorker has the peerless Roger Angell's survey of
>baseball's past, present, and future. In the article he notes the
>"affectless condition of dissociation or pixillation that steals over
>me after two or three innings of [Phil Rizzuto's] logic and
>loquations, as injected via WPIX." But Roger has discovered that there
>is nothing wrong with him, or with his "Phil-receptors", or with the
>Scooter. "What's been coming out of the booth all these years has been
>poetry - an explanation that has not dawned on me until I recently
>read some transcripts of his game-work set down into its natural
>vers-libre lines and stanzas."

["Poem" by Rizzuto deleted]

Hmm.  This is interesting.  When I watched and listened to Yankee
games in the late 60s/early 70s, there was an announcer named
Bob Gamere (sp?) who was fired after a season or two for
"unprofessional conduct in the broadcast booth" or some
other trumped up charge.  In any case, I still remember his poem:

            On Deck

And on deck, for better or worser:
Bobby Murcer

                B. Gamere (1970?)

Perhaps the reason that Rizzuto survived was his ability to
use nonrhyming verse, although Godwin may disagree about the
validity of the rhyme.

Cole Kendall
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:22687 rec.food.historic:896
From: jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.food.historic
Subject: Re: Goober, a Southernism??
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:20:44 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

"Wearin' down your grinders, 
Eatin' goober peas..."  --Civil War song

--
  Jilara   [jane@swdc.stratus.com]

"The field of pseudo-science hasn't progressed much in ten
years, except to gain access to the net." --from ca.earthquakes
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: fingerhu@ircam.fr (Michel Fingerhut)
Subject: Re: Making a virtue of complacency
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 10:29:19 GMT

Gene W. Smith writes:
>There are practical questions involved here as well.  Should the
>Weimar Republic have taken a harder line against the Nazis?

Much more practically: should the _current_ german government have taken/take
a harder line against the Neo-Nazis?  My answer: yes.  First, it is speech,
and then when the critical mass is reached, it is action.  After it is crossed,
the way back is hard, if impossible.

And, by analogy, any other type of hate speech.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: Making a virtue of complacency
Date: 13 Dec 92 00:02:56 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Dec12.172103.22422@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> gsmith@polyhymnia.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes:
>
>This is absurd.  If Browne says there outta be a law, then argue with
>him if you want, but why are so many people proactively arguing
>against a position which hasn't been put forward?

    Because it saves time?

			-Phil
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Note:  Microsoft doesn't even _know_ that these are my opinions. So there.
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From: twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin)
Subject: Re: Irishly in L. Sprague DeCamp
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:48:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.195551.7129@news.vanderbilt.edu> vusl@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (VU Science Library) writes:
>I am reading L. Sprague DeCamp's Lest Darkness Fall and I have a 
>question.  In talking about Ebenezer the Jew,  DeCamp describes him
>as distressingly pious and says, "he did not eat at all, to put it
>Irishly, for fear of transgressing one of the innumerable rules of
>his sect."  What does "Irishly" mean here?

Probably refers to the use of extravagant exaggeration for the 
purpose of making a point. 


--Barbara
From: gunter@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Gunter Ahrendt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Grace: The Story of a Princess For Sale
Date: 18 Dec 1992 12:47:23 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

by Phyllida Hart-Davis
150p

Offers.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:22317 alt.politics.homosexuality:7941
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:36:27 EST
From: <HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Making a virtue of complacency

The last thing I intend to do is to respond in any extended way
to the turgid twaddle of Zeleny. One major point though, that
may be made tersely:

In article <1992Dec11.121505.18394@husc3.harvard.edu>, zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu
(Michael Zeleny) says:
>
>I contend that homosexual practices are morally harmful to
>their practicioners.  Refute my claim, if you can.
>

I cannot. I also cannot refute the claim that de Kooning made
beautiful paintings, or that coffee tastes bad, although I disagree
with both of those assertions. Only arguments that occupy space
within the realm of reason may be refuted. Zeleny's...er...stuff
occupies other space.

H.

Herschel Browne
"The" American University
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Snot (was The Virginian, etc. (was: excellent reading!)
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:42:09 GMT


> Alas, Mark Taranto doesn't understand me.  He seems to think that I . . .
> have some use for his advice.
 
Noted.  Let the following serve as explanation, rather than advice.
 
> You want everyone to think of you as a "nice guy".  Therefore, you
> define yourself as a member of a group, not as an individual.  You're an
> organization man.  You don't want to rock the boat.  You want change to
> happen gradually, since you've bought into the system and don't want to lose
> your investment.
 
Heather does not know what I am.  I will accept that she *perceives* these
things about me.  Calling me an organization man or assuming that I define
myself as a member of a group is as far from the truth as I can think.  In
actuality, I've always had resistance to authority, and usually let my
opinion be known, despite what the organization wishes.
 
> You don't seem to take pleasure in rattling the chains of the pompous
> and complacent.
 
Heather missed my first encounter with Infidel.  Let's just say that
I decided it was not worth rattling his chains.  I have just added Heather
to the list of those whom I find pompous, whom I consider no longer worthy
to have chains rattled.
 
> You claim if someone says something I think is snotty, I am not to
> respond in kind.  (A bit phony, Mark -- you've flung your share of
> snotty remarks under similar circumstances, you admitted as much.)
 
Heather does not understand me.  I never said that she is not to do
anything.  I only said that I do not approve.  It is true that I have
occasionally been snotty.  And were Heather *merely* snotty, I doubt
that I would have said anything.  What I find distastful about Heather
is that she is self-righteous in her snottiness.  I find it hypocritical
for her to be snotty, while complaining that someone else is.
 
For all Tom's bluntness, at least he is not hypocrytical.
 
> Does it mean anything to you that other people considered his
> original comment to be impolite?  Probably not.
 
On the contrary, it does mean something to me.  While I don't happen to
agree, it is certainly the right of anyone to tell him that he is
impolite.  It is my right to state that I disagree.
 
But Heather went a step further, and did something which I view as being
hypocritical.  I simply stated that I found this amusing, writing:

        I must admit, however, that I was even more amused at
        seeing someone admonish another for making snotty
        comments, while doing it herself.  Heather would probably
        claim that it is OK to be snotty in response to snottiness.
        But I would neither agree with this logic, nor agree that
        Tom was snotty first.
 
So -- even if I agreed that Tom's remark *was* snotty, I would still
think that Heather was a hypocrite.
 
> Nor does it mean anything to me that you disagree with my
> reaction to his remark.
 
Noted.
 
 
 
Mark


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