From: idpt167@tpts1.seed.net.tw (PC_USR)
Subject: SEEDNET
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 14:32:42 CST
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Since dozens of e-mails still have been coming in my mailbox inquring
about SEEDNET, I figure it might be necessary to post my old article
again.  I am pleased to have the honor to service s.c.t..


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Keywords: III (Institute for Information Industry in Taiwan),
          SEED (Software Engineering Environment Development)


First of all, I have to disclaim that I don't have any III connection
except that I am a PC user on SEEDNET.  I am not an expert on computer
networks, either.  Therefore, this article may contain misinformation
on SEEDNET.  For authoritative information, please anonymous-FTP from
139.175.1.12; the SEEDNET documents are in /pub/node/tw/tpdns.seed.net.
Another SEEDNET FTP site is 139.175.1.9 (i.e. tpts1.seed.net.tw), which
also keeps the code and documents of SEEDNET under /pub/seed.
Since I have received more than one e-mails asking for information
on SEEDNET and SISP (a PC communication program for SEEDNET), I want to
beg the mail-senders' pardon for answering their questions in the forum
rather than in personal e-mails.


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        Also, your address seems very interesting, could you tell me how did
you send your message to the Internet. Is there any BBS provide such service in
Chung / Yung Ho area ?
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My company is a member of SEEDNET, which is maintained by III (Institute of
Information Industry).  SEEDNET offers Internet connections to host/LAN
users as well as PC users in official or commercial organizations in Taiwan.
The PC users may dial up to III's terminal server (a SUN SPARC workstation)
and use the PCs as dumb terminals.  A S/W interface called SISP developed
by III must be installed in the first place to operate under MS-DOS.
The data transfer rate between the PC and the terminal server is up to
9600 bps.  So far, the SEEDNET PC users have access to FTP, USENET (have
access to all newsgroups, both reading news and posting news), and e-mails.


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I have seen your news at soc.culture.taiwan, do you have the dial-in
number for the SEEDNET ? Also do you know where I can get the SISP
program or how to apply for an account on the server?
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The number to dial up for the SISP user in Taipei is (886-2) 7377079
To apply for an account, contact III at 886-2-7336454 or 886-2-7338779
by phone, or write to SEEDNET service center at the following address:

        5F #268 Sec. 2 Fu-Hsing S. Rd.
        Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C.

You will get a SISP diskette after you send in an application form and
are approved by III to be a SEEDNET PC user.  But please be noted that
the application form must bear the official stamp of your company/organization
before you send it in.  In other words, the SEEDNET account is not intended
for personal use.

You may also anonymous-FTP the sisp.exe program under /public/seed
from 139.175.1.9 (tpts1.seed.net.tw).


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I got your EMail address from USENET. I also interested in how to communicate
with friends, Universities and Institutes in Taiwan through EMail. I am gladto know that III do the
service to commercial companies. But, I have twoquestions here if you can answ
er or please pass the questions to anyone whoknow the answer. First, where I can get
a list of user address from? I wantto contact with Uni. or Inst. Secondly, does this system
run under Chinese DOSsystem (eg. ETen)? I am afraid that will send out strange
 things which I couldnot identify. (I can read Chinese but not my computer.)
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The answer for the first question:

The list of SEEDNET users (both PC users and host/LAN users) is updated
and posted on the BBS service of SEEDNET on a monthly basis.  The text
is in Chinese (CNS code), though.  As of last October, there are about 200
companies/government organizations in Taipei area, 50 in Hsin-Chu area,
and 50 in Kao-Hsiung area having joined SEEDNET.  The major universities
and academic institutions (e.g. Academia Sinica) in Taiwan are connected
to TANET, which is maintained by the Ministry of Education.  Only graduate
students and faculty members of colleges or academic institutions in Taiwan
are qualified to apply for accounts from the Ministry of Education.
The SEEDNET is built upon the interests of R&D personnels in both public
and private sectors in Taiwan, on the other hand.
I downloaded the SEEDNET's user list in last August.  As mentioned earlier,
the text is in Chinese (SISP converted it into BIG-5 code).  I am not
sure whether it is OK to post it on USENET or reveal it to other people.
Perhaps you can e-mail your request to service@csc.seed.net.tw.

Just a side note, SEEDNET has been operational since last February,
but in my observation, the PC users are not very keen on using it
perhaps because of its primitive user interface.  Take my company
for example, I am the only one who has ever used SEEDNET during the
past four months.  The government is rather generous to cover the
long-distance phone bills that the international e-mails and FTP's
cost, and the S/W and H/W services of the computers that the SEEDNET
maintains are for free (I just received a notice saying that the
service fee will be NT$1000 per year in the future.  It is still
very affordable for any company, in my opinion -- but perhaps not
my boss's :-)).

For the second question:

The SISP program runs under ETen.  If ETen is not resident, then the
Chinese words (in Big-5 code) displayed on the screen (a large portion
of the menus and messages generated by the SISP's user interface
is in Chinese) will not be readable.  On the other hand, you may
still deal with pure English under ETen by switching to English mode
(I am typing with PE3 under ETen right now); I think you understand this.


--
Hsu-Ku "Bruce" Ying                E-Mail: idpt167@tpts1.seed.net.tw
Software Engineer                  TEL: 886-2-2452227 ext. 352
ARMAS Computer Corp.               FAX: 886-2-2452218
2F #9 Lane 327 Sec. 2 Chung-Shan Road, Chung-Ho City, Taipei, Taiwan

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