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From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: New England area misc.kidders picnic
Date: 17 Aug 1992 09:26:26 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu




(First, sorry to everyone outside NE who gets this;
I'm posting through utexas so no dist. option (that I
know of) - but you're all welcome to come!)

I promised way back when to organize a get-together for
the New England area misc.kidders. I decided at the time to
aim for mid-to-late Sept., as people would be back from
vacations, and it wouldn't be too hot (though I needn't 
have worried about that, I guess!).

So here goes:

the first thing I'd like to do is get a head count, and
set a date. I figure things like location and type of
food/activities will depend a lot on how many we are.
So please email me if you're interested in attending, and
let me know which of the following dates you could make (let
me know all possible dates, not just the best, as I'll pick
the one that the most people could possibly attend):

Sat. Sept. 19
Sun. Sept. 20

Sat. Sept 26
Sun. Sept 27 (Rosh Hashana is Mon., 9/28 but this should be
              a daytime event)

Sun. Oct 4  (I already know I can't make any Sats. in Oct.
             (taking a Unix course))

Sun. Oct. 11


I figure anything we plan will go from late morning to sometime
in afternoon.

This should be fun, so please RSVP. 

I'll give you all till the end of the month, and then we'll start
making real plans, ok?

-Dena
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Warming baby bottles
Date: 13 Aug 1992 08:31:33 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Chris wrote:

I wonder if it is more related to appetite than anything.  Doug eats like
a horse, and when he is hungry/thirsty temperature is the last of his
concerns :-) !


As you all know (!) Isabel does *not* eat like a horse, but
temperature is not a concern for her (she's equally indifferent
to warm/cool/cold, except when starving, when she's equally
enthusiastic, or when teething, when she prefers cold). She
also didn't care much about breast vs. bottle.

So, when I think of all that waiting we did for the
bottles to warm, my advice to new parent/s would be:
don't!

-Dena
From: exucapa@exu.ericsson.se (Carrol Patterson,xt-dk,x1209)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Left Handed or Right Handed?
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:30:21 GMT
Reply-To: exucapa@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

At what age can you be sure what your child's handedness will be?

Also, does anyone know if that tendency is inherited?  Or is it
just luck of the draw?

Thanks!
Carrol (Mother of Alex - 21 months)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: phil@lotatg.lotus.com (Phil Ritari)
Subject: Witches (was Re: you know you are a parent when)
Organization: Lotus Development Corp.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 15:10:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug5.164626.26954@ast.saic.com> hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com (Buffy  
Hyler) writes:
> In article 29957@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca, marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy  
Thompson) writes:
> >In a recent misc.kids article, Lynn Gazis-Sax <lgsax@igc.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>OK, I'm Quaker myself but have no particular animosity
> >>toward Wicca.  What do I say if my child complains
> >>about a "mean witch"?

I missed the beginning of this, but I thought I'd add how this is a special  
problem for us living as we do in Salem, Mass., and particularly as this is the  
300th anniversary of the Salem witchcraft trials. It is very wierd that  
although the witchcraft trials bring up the issues of tolerance, social  
hysteria, etc., the popular appeal of Salem to most tourists is the  
witch-on-a-broomstick motif.

We try to explain to our son that the "witches" in stories have nothing in  
common with people or the real world, and that in fact people have to careful  
that stories like those about witches don't encourage them to do things to  
other people that are wrong.
From: dani@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Danielle Cohen)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 21:03:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Birth Announcement
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

In misc.kids, elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:

    Well, its been a while, but I just got back to work a couple
    weeks ago.  Anyway -- I can't resist posting this announcement.

          Melinda Enel Wade
          Born May 28
          8lbs 6oz, 21 inches

    She's a fat healthy baby & mother, sister and daddy are doing
    OK too.
     
    Elise.

CONGRATULATIONS!!!  (And you couldn't have picked a better date!!! -
		     though be ready for that gemini personality!)

Danielle (Taylor's Mom and a textbook Gemini!!)
From: jcarson@cs.washington.edu (Janet L. Carson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homeschooling?
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:55:32 GMT
Distribution: na,misc
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

While reading this thread, I really do start to agree with the homeschoolers.  
The way a child learns and what that child learns are critically important.
But, when my husband and I do have kids, I don't know if homeschooling is 
the best option for us.

It would be hard for either of us to give up our full time careers.
We're both in technology-related fields where we need to stay up
to date.  We both love working.  etc.  Yes, maybe our feelings would
change after we meet our wonderful kids, but maybe not.  

Teaching one's own kids is hard work and not foolproof.  My mom is a 
gifted keyboard player (piano, organ), and tried to teach us kids.  
The siblings who took an interest in it eventually became proficient by 
taking lessons from somebody other than mom, though.  Mom had a hard 
time changing between being a teacher and a parent.  She just didn't want 
to push us too hard, and in the end failed to really challenge us when 
she should have.  (The opposite side of this coin is a parent who might 
push a kid too hard to learn something before they are ready.)

Supplementing a school-based education with formal home education might 
be an option, but I don't want to overload a child with academics,
and I don't want to send mixed messages about whether the child's behavior
and learning in school are important or not.

What other options have working parents out there tried to ensure that
their kids get a quality education?

--Janet
-- 



				Janet L. Carson
From: sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Hepatitis vaccine
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:02:23 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:21:41 -0400 (EDT)

>On the other hand, a line like
>	He has never had a child that lives a healthy CLEAN
>	life style come down with hepatitis
>makes you think of biker babies, first graders who are IV
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hey now, my kid (& kid-to-be) resemble(s) that remark ;-)

-Shirl

PS: I think I know the kind of lifestyle you are picturing, and no, we
are not the hard-core bikers most movies portray.
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:03:50 GMT
Organization: nope

In article <bandor.714200143@byerley.rdt.monash.edu.au> bandor@byerley.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tony McGregor) writes:
>kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) writes:
>
>
>>We don't care whether they're right or wrong, insofar as we can
>>define those concepts.  We want them to be not arrogant.
>
>You should care.  If Christians are right (that you are in danger)
>then it's not arrogant for them to tell you. If they are wrong then
>they are simply misguided. It's arrogant so say "Don't tell me what
>you think, I know you're wrong"

Ah, but that's not what I say.  I say, "Don't tell me what to
think, because whatever else I'm thinking is wrong."  Or worse,
don't think, We've already done that for you.
>
>>I think the members of this newsgroup ought to go home and read
>>some vintage Dr. Suess.  In particular, "The Sneetches" (which is
>>followed, in one edition, by "The Zax".  Which is also somehow
>>appropriate)
>
>Are you one of the ones with a star that doesn't want it or one without
>a star that does want it?

Neither.  I'm one of the McBeans.  Of course my cousin Sylvester
McMonkey was ultimately wrong, the Sneetches did learn [something],
apparently.  OTOH, Syl *did* end up with a potful of money.




-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Re: Identical Twins (Mirror, One is left, the other right)
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:22:36 GMT

Saad,
You write:
 
               ***** original article *******
I have identical twins (age 5) who do not share the same handedness.
I asked a specialist in Twins and he said it was a case of mirror twins.
I have never heard the term before and would like enquire if any one
else who frequents this group who knows about this subject.
 
Thanks,
 
--
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Motorola Inc, N349      | Saad Husain (708)-632-3259 or  888-3813
1501 W Shure Drive      | Electronic: husain@cyan.rtsg.mot.com
Arlington Hts, IL 60004 | Disclaimer: The above is all mine.
 
 
 
It is my understanding that mirror image twins are exactally that: mirror
images of each other.  Their hair whorls will go in opposite directions,
they will be opposite handed, their appendixes will be on opposite sides,
etc, etc, etc.
 
It doesn't happen very often.
 
My twin sons (age 3 1/2) are identical and they seem to be opposite handed.
They were in the hospital for 2 1/2 weeks after birth and even with all the
testing and poking that occurred, nobody ever mentioned mirror twins.  I
suppose that the signs could have been missed (I don't THINK they had any
X-rays).
 
I will try to remember to look in all my twin books over the weekend and see
if they say anything about mirror twins.
 
Teresa
 
PS I father tells the following (sort of related) story about when he was the
   nurse in charge of the Operating Room.  Seems there was a woman
   in for an appendectomy and the Dr. took my father aside and
   told him just to go along with whatever the doctor did.  The dr explained
   why and dad said OK.  The dr went in to the OR, made an incision on the
   LEFT side then looked up at the other nurse and said "Oh!  Which side is
   the appendix on again!?!"  The nurse almost died.  Turns out that this
   womans appendix was on the left side.  (This occurred years before I was
   born and I am sure it's been embellished a lot.  My dad is STRICT and I
   can't imagine him allowing any fooling around in the OR.)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bandor@byerley.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tony McGregor)
Subject: Re: Talk talk TALK talk
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:33:32 GMT

tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman) writes:

>In article <1992Aug18.132940.29739@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>>anything like it.  From the time he wakes up in the morning, till he
>>goes to bed he talks and chatters non-stop.
>>
>I certainly can hear you!!!  My youngest son talks non-stop and has since
>he started talking - sometimes, i hate to say it, i simply ignore him, and
>I have been known to put earplugs in while trying to read or write.

>I'd love to find out if anyone has a REAL solution ----

Snap. Meaghan was born talking. She has two states, talking and
asleep.  If theres no one to talk to she dosn't care, she just talks
to her toys, or the wall. If she has nothing to say she just talks
anyway, the words don't make any sence but who cares, she just talks.

The real problem is that to hold a conversation you have to stop
talking and start listening. She can't. 

Tony

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Tony McGregor ( Tony.McGregor@rdt.monash.edu.au )  
Department of Robotics and Digital Technology, Monash University
PO Box 197, Caulfield East, Vic 3145, Australia  
Phone: +61 3 5732014  Fax: +61 3 5732345
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From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Tantrums (2YO + 6YO)
Date: 18 Aug 92 06:15:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

The only thing I could think of to do differently is to get the icecream
after the photo session.  We tell them look, if you cooperate, it will
be quick and we'll get a treat after.  If you don't, it will be a pain
for everyone and we won't feel like getting you a treat.  Then every
time they come up with that stupid "smile" we whisper "ice cream"
and they come up with a real smile fast!

		--  maggie

PS  If it's any consolation, that whole awful scene sounds really really
normal.  That kind of thing happens all the time around here.  >;)

-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
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CSNet: scott@Apple.CSNet  AppleLink: Douglass1
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:43:27 -0400 
From: Laura McGinnis <lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
	<Bt4t95.230@apollo.hp.com>

I remember as a child how hard it was waiting for the dryer to finish so
I could get my blanket back & take my nap.  I also remember my brother
crying for what seemed like days when Mom put his blanket in the washer
& it came out in the lint filter; it took us a while to figure out what
had happened, since we were sure she had put the blanket in the washer,
but it wasn't in the dryer when the load was finished.  When we cleaned
the lint filter, we knew what that green fuzz had been.

I knew that Mickey would probably pick something as a lovey, but didn't
want to get trapped by the inflexibilty of it being a single, unique
object.  Fortunately, we were able to direct Mickey's lovey fixation to
any one of numerous flannel receiving blankets.  This has made the whole
lovey situation much less stressful for all of us.  He even asks for a
"nice, clean blankey" when the one he's been using gets to used.

We're hoping to be able to do the same thing with Margaret, using a
different style of receiving blanket.  At 2 months, though, it's a
little early to tell if we'll succeed.

As always, YMMV & good luck.

Laura
Mom to Mickey (2.75 yrs) & Margaret (2.25 months & finally asleep on my
office floor :-)
From: sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: To Larry Cannel
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:15:57 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Tredyffrin, PA


  Sorry to waste bandwidth, but Larry Cannel asked for the car seat FAQ.
However, the address I have doesn't work; the mail keeps bouncing back.
Please send me an alternative address if you can.  Otherwise send me your
"real" mail address, and I will mail you a hard copy. 
 
					Susanne Gilliam
					sg@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com

Newsgroups: misc.kids,talk.politics.misc,oh.general,alt.activism
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Active children and sitters
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:03:24 GMT

In article <25620@dog.ee.lbl.gov> lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger) writes:
>
>Is there anyone else out there who has an active child who is
>with a sitter half-time or more? My son is 6 months, and I'm
>concerned that his sitter wants him to be "quiet." Actually, it's
>pretty subtle, and more like a suspicion on my part. So I'd like
>to hear from people who have had experience with sitters and
>active (or "challenging" :-) kids. What did you look for in a
>sitter? Is this just an inevitable problem with sitters? 

I have a very active child, but it is no problem for us because his
sitter is Grandma, and she loves the activity.

But, this reminds me of a friend of mine. Her son was *extremely* active.
he was up and walking at 8 months, and there was no stopping him. She sent
him to a sitter that came highly recomended from someone she trusted. By
the end of the first week, it was clear that it the sitter couldnt handle
Kyle, and told my friend. My friend was really upset, adn was afraid that
no one would want to take care of Kyle. They got a list of sitters from an
agency, and talked to about 4 or 5. They finally decided on one, and the
relationship worked out great. The sitter practically became a mother to my
friend (who's own mother had died), and Kyle thrived. Later her next son,
who was even more active, went there. 

I suspect that it is just a 'fit' between the child and the sitter. YOu need
a better fit. It is not to say your sitter is bad, just not right for your
son.

Hope this helps,
Laura Floom


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bandor@byerley.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tony McGregor)
Subject: Re: Kids and showers w/ parents and other stuff!
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:01:20 GMT

fsacp@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

>Up to what age is it appropriate to have a child showering with
>mommy?


Well I guess sex of the parent doesn't make a big difference so I'll
tell you my _oppion_ even though I'm a dad.

>  I say that when a kid reaches 2 and a half it's a little inappropriate,
>because they are starting to learn more.

My kids are Meaghan 4.5 and Luke 7. They both see Susan and I
regularly in the bath / shower etc. It doesn't seem to bother them and
doesn't bother us. Neither do their occasion questions. There really
haven't been any problems up to this age. 

I think we will let the situation remain as it is until they tell us
it makes them uncomfortable (if they ever do).

I've talked people who were children in families where "no one saw
anything" and where "everyone saw everything". It doesn't seem to have
made a big difference to either group.

I'm looking forward to others comments, especially from people with
older children.


Tony
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Tony McGregor ( Tony.McGregor@rdt.monash.edu.au )  
Department of Robotics and Digital Technology, Monash University
PO Box 197, Caulfield East, Vic 3145, Australia  
Phone: +61 3 5732014  Fax: +61 3 5732345
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From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Flying with Infant
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:22:07 GMT
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL

In article <1992Aug11.185139.21996@alw.nih.gov> paula@helix.nih.gov (Paula Moore) writes:
>My sister will be flying from Maryland to California with her 4 month old
>later this week.  I know there are frequently items about flying with 
>little ones, but they were usually in the category of 'don't need this
>info' for me so I didn't read them.   Does anyone have any useful tips that
>I could pass on to her?  She hasn't voiced any concerns and since she's
>coordinating a cross country move it may not (yet) be the biggest thing
>on her mind, but I don't want her to all of a sudden realize that her
>little boy (who tends to the fussy side anyway) doesn't like the change in
>air pressure, etc.  I'd appreciate any tips before Thursday, I'll see her
>on Thursday and she leaves on Friday.

Good timing! We just came back from a week in Oregon with Tommy (4-month old).
Flying time: 2 hrs each way. Non-stop (thank God!).
Our experience: things went smoothly at the airport and on take off. We had a
bottle ready just in case (as a soothing tool). He slept through most of the
flight (both ways). Now the tricky part: the landings. Due to the slight change
of air pressure within the cabin (noticeable to almost anyone). The baby WILL feel that change of pressure (a bit of pain) in his/her
eardrums and WILL cry as the airplane decreases altitude. We tried as much as we could, to 
give him the bottle of keep him chewing on his pacifier, since the swallowing
motion helps balnace out the pressure difference. Another thing: for comfort
try to gather as many little pillows (overhead compartment) as possible and set
them on your lap so the baby can fall asleep more comfortably.
Martin
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: michelle@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Michelle Kalehzan)
Subject: You *know* you have been initiated as a parent when...
Followup-To: michelle@psych
Keywords: trials & tribulations of parenting...
Organization: Psychology Dept, Stanford Univ.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 20:31:27 GMT

After reading so many interesting and funny postings about "you know you are
a parent when...", I thought I must add my latest experience!  Monday evening
my 22-month-old daughter and I were returning to San Jose on a flight from
Minneapolis.  The plane was packed---not one available seat, and I was
unfortunately placed in a middle seat between two rather unfriendly,
unhappy, whatever people.  Yasimine acted strangely quiet throughout the
whole trip, and I could feel that she was developing a fever.  When we got
to San Jose and everyone was standing in the aisles waiting to be released
from the plane, she promptly vomited--in a projectile sort of way---all over
me, and the unfriendly people (now they were *really* unfriendly! :-))...
Actually, I counted seven times that she threw up all over me.  It was quite
amazing to see the reactions of people around me...some of my stereotypes
were definitely tested!  For instance, some of the nicest looking old
grandmas practically sneered at me---like "can't you control your kid?!"...
and a foreign man (non-English speaking) was one of the first ones to
try to help.  Suffice it to say, it was a terrible experience.  To make
matters worse, I had no extra clothes along for me to where, so I had to
wear soaked clothes into the terminal...and then my husband got mixed up
about what flight we were to be on, so he was not there to pick us up.

At some point you must just give in and accept the reality of what is
happening....so I did.  I learned a lot from this trip....like bring extra
clothes for the mom! And don't feed milk to a baby with a fever.  And learn
to go with the flow.  What else can you do?  That approach has often worked
best for me ever since Yasimine came into my life! -Michelle
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values in misc.kids
From: Willem Boersma <SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 20 Aug 1992 16:59:20 CET
Distribution: world
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

In article <16vti7INN6cn@iraul1.ira.uka.de>, stoesser@i31s22.ira.uka.de (Achim
Stoesser) says:
>
>Several people said that misc.kids is not an appropriate place for this
>argument.
>....
>I did not start this
 
Your right! It does belong here after all.
 
It's hard to be a sensible person these days. You get offended by both sides.
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