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From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Thursday's oh so sad
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              "CV01%SWTEXAS.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU" at Jul 30, 92 7:25 am

"horrific things perpetrated..." I'll sure agree to that.  That's why any
discussion of religion can get weird real fast--we're all talking about
different things.  Anyway, re: "Michael has admitted to over-intellectualizing
his music..." I'm curious, does he mean while or after performing it?  I am
standing in line at his record shop to hear some of it eventually...  To
analyze music after you've heard it vs. to be analyzing as you do
it... /or as you listen to it. I'm trying to figure out what I mean here.  I'll
just wait until I hear
Flow before I continue.  That is one odd thing about this net... all of us are
jawing about music... and most (all?) of us seem to play... I really am
interested in the connection, if any, between how we talk and how we
play our geetars.   There is actually surprisingly little talk about playing
... I wish there were more.
(Odd, I just realized while thinking about this that I am very un-analytical
about what I hear...but probably way too analytical of what I'm doing while I
play... which definitely gets in my way.)
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From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Stipe
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              "Leonard Watkins" at Jul 29, 92 1:41 pm

>
> i certanily heard of REM and the song i just didn't know the names
> Jackson Browne is someone who comes to mind it seems his early stuff
> was alot better than the stuff he put out after i started seeing him
> on all the for-a-cause-in-another-country event.
>
The only problem is: a lot of artists go downhill ANYWAY, just can't stay hot,
so maybe they go out for causes as a smokescreen for their dwindling
creative powers, or go out for causes because they're famous and so people pay
attention to them--but it's risky to assume a cause-effect relationship between
going out for a cause and making lousy music.
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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 14:33:56 -0500
From:         Paul Reiners <PR0271S@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: rap

Mike Masuda <MASUDA%SJSUVM1.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU> writes:
>Something to think about:

>There were certain songs that may have been precursors to rap music:
>"Like a Rolling Stone"--Bob Dylan

Another example would be "Subterranean Homesick Blues" by Mr. Dylan.  Or Elvis
Costello's (possible) rewrite of it - "Pump It Up".

Paul Reiners
<pr0271s@acad.drake.edu>
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From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Subject: Re: Country when Country wasn't cool
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Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 04:51:57 GMT


In a previous article, AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU () says:

>By the way; what ever happen to the guy who said that he singed with Billy Rae
>Cyrus?  I want a response on his address.

  If you're talking about me, I never said I "singed" with Billy RAY Cyrus.
I've singed my hair a few times while lighting, um, smoking materials, but
as far as I know, I never singed Billy Ray's hair, nor he mine. Thank Ford
for small miracles.
  If you meant "sang," I never said that, either. I said I knew him because
we were both in the local music scene (he much more so than I, I might add).
If I were to own a grocery store and happened to know another grocer in town, 
that wouldn't add up to "we sold groceries together."
  As for wanting a response, has it never occured to you to look at the
CD/cassette/LP insert to see if his management's address is listed?  I'm
willing to bet that his record label's sure is, if nothing else. 
  Sheesh...

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:06:09 EST
From:         "W. John Weber" <WWEBER@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: LISTS
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Date sent: 22-JUL-1992

>Does anyone know where to get an FTP of a good list of all lists?
>
>ROTCOD ZZAJ

What follows is from the start of one such list:

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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:06:10 PDT
From:         Mike Masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      rap

Something to think about:

There were certain songs that may have been precursors to rap music:

"Goin' Down"--The Monkees
"Like a Rolling Stone"--Bob Dylan
"I am the Walrus"--The Beatles
"Let It All Hang Out"--(I forgot who)

Just thought I'd interject that bit.
Does anybody remember "Rapper's Delight" from the mid 1970s?
Who did that?  It was like a thirty minute rap tune using a
beat from another song from the times--a rock song.
Anyone?

Mike Masuda.
Rapped around your finger.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:48:50 EDT
From:         Coleen Gallagher <coleeng@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: Country Music
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Bob,
  I listen to a wide rang of music and it grows wider every day, however
I have to say I'm in the same boat as you in that I don't have any interest
in country.
            Coll
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:49:09 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Making Some Noise

Regarding country, what about _Little Village_, by John Hiatt, Ry Cooder, Nick
Lowe, and Jim Keltner?

Hiatt is probably my favorite country performer right now. Another is John
Prine, who's been around for 20 years or so and rarely gets a mention.

I liked MHB's reference to the "metabolism" reaction to certain types of music.
There has always been music that immediately moved me regardless of context,
and this is about the most coherent explanation I've heard. It at least
partially explains my visceral attraction to R.E.M. (and also explains MHB's
instinctive dislike of them).

Speaking of R.E.M., word has it that the new album will be out in late
September. No title yet. People who've heard the tunes say they continue in
the same acoustic, reflective vein as on _Out Of Time_.

Ice-T, on the Arsenio show the other night, noted that nobody called
for boycotts of Arnold Schwarzenegger when he killed fifteen cops in the
movie _Terminator_. Cheers to Perry Farrell for having Ice-T serve as MC
of Lollapalooza.

David
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:20:03 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Walk a mile in my shoes
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              "Michael H. Bloom" at Jul 24, 92 9:32 am

re: "talking over a groove" - the Beats used to do that...wonder how that got
started with them--must be their version of a "black thing" in one way or
another
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:22:45 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject: Re: Country music issue is not resolved!
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Corey:

You might be right about dance crazys not lasting forever but the point I was
making that the Achy Breaky is a dance like the twist will be part of the
history of music and dances of America.

This might make a few people sick but Disco was also the dance crazy of the
70's.  Everyone on this group knows that I am a Country Music Fan but also I
was and still am a Disco fan of some of the music.  Some of my favorites were
the Village People, and Bee Gees.

Thats enough about Disco, lets get back to the main topic.  Some of the
greatist Country artist were once rock n rollers.  Like Johnny Cash, Conway
Twitty and Jerry Lee Lewis.  These people helped start todays kind of Country
Music like Billy Rae Cyrus, Travis Trent, Marty Stuart, and others in the
music business today.

Thats my comments, let me hear yours.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:29:58 MET
From:         Stas Philippe <philstas@VUB.AC.BE>
Subject:      ZAPPA, last greetings

Let's keep a minute of silence for dear old Frank Zappa, who died
due to a cancer problem

Johor

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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:08:23 PST
From:         FRANK@LAW.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Country Music
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Alright that's it I've had it!  So country music won't be found on
the MENSA list of things to listen to.  So country music is all the
same, blah, blah, blah.

Since I've been on this list I've read all sorts of things on how
Kate is a Sarah clone who sounds like Enya who has just a touch
Sinead, etc, etc, etc.  Excuse me Metallica fans but I've heard, over
these short 31 years of mine, an awful lot of groups who sound like
Metallica long before Metallica ever existed!

So let's be objective here.  Country music has it's place.  Yes it
can be the same thing over and over again, but, just like any other
form of music when it clicks, it clicks, when it grooves, it grooves,
and for that short 3 - 5 minute period nothing else matters.

Frank Lopez            Frank@law.ucla.edu



> >>Here's some advice for you -- play bass in a cowboy music band for
> >>three hours (I-V-I-V-I-V all night long!)
> >>
> >  Now, just a minute here! I played bass in a cowboy band, many years
> >  ago, and *I* came up with a CREATIVE bass part. Now, pay attention...
> >  it went I-II I-II I-II all night long!!!
> >
> > But the clubowner fired us because he said we were too "far out".
> >
> > So I gave up country music.
> >
> >David
> >
> >PS. BTW, for anyone who's not sure, :-)
>
> Ok guys. For a creative country bass workout check out "Country Music: A Night
> in Hell" by Stu Hamm on his _Radio Free Albemuth_ disc. Yep this is the same
> record that has the bass solo version of "Moonlight Sonata."
>
> -Adam
>
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:37:22 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      red house
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  Red House at every gig?  Ouch.  RH should be reserved for drunken
jams only.  Great song, but yeah, it would take an incredibly vain
guitarist to want to play it all the time.

Russ
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:28:50 -0400
From:         Blake Glenn <bg22+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: the Spent Poets

I recently saw the Poets open for Live at Metropol in Pittsburgh.  I was
fairly impressed, so I bought the cd (the one with the cool face on the
cover).  I saw an ep of their's as well.  I had a few thoughts
    1. as opening bands go, they were great.  Good energy on stage.
However, the best song that they played, called Heroine, was not on the
CD, which is too bad.
    2. The cd is good for the most part.  I like Mr. Einstein, and Ali
Ali Ackbar the best.  I think it drags towards the end of the disc
though.
    3. Overall, I'm glad I got the disc.  And if you like them recorded,
I'd strongly advise you see them on stage if possible (and if you see
Live too, then it's definately worth it. Live is one of the best live
acts I've seen).
    4. I believe the Spent Poets are from San Francisco.  Someone
correct me if I'm wrong.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Blake H. Glenn bg22@andrew.cmu.edu
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:08:47 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Tuck & Patti

Is there a Tuck & Patti album someone would like to recommend the only
tune i can remember hearing is "high heel shoes"(?).
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:40:51 EDT
From:         Coleen Gallagher <coleeng@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: Thriller
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Personally, I don't know how someone can call Michael Jackson a genius when
he's a hippocrate(sp?).  Here he sings a song black or white and n it he
says "...dosen't matter if she black or white..." and here he is bleaching
his sing, taking drugs for his voice and getting all sorts of plastic
surgery.
    Don't mean to jump down anyone's thoat.
              Coll
                 coleeng@pilot.njin.net
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:47:07 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Country music issue is not resolved!
              29 Jul 1992 09:09:16 EDT from <AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU>

On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:09:16 EDT <AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU> said:
>To have O' Conner sing "THE HAPPIEST GIRL IN THE WHOLE USA" is like Donna
>Fargo singing "I have no hair".  This means that it does not fit in society as
>we see it today.  Donna Fargo (to all you city slickers) came down with MS
>back in the 70's & "The Happist Girl in the Whole USA" was a #1 hit that she
>gaveup teaching after it became #1 on the Country charts.

Eddie, Eddie, Eddie: I was only joking, referring to Michael's saying that
polka music is cool because 1) it's world beat because it's Poland's nat'l
dance music, 2) Irish musicians play a "hot" version  of it, and 3) Brave
Combo is a band specializing in high-energy polkas that differ from the others
because they stick in Hendrixisms and Zappaisms, have some self-consciously
goofy lyrics (unlike the ordinary goofy lyrics of "straight" polkas) and
have longer hair.  I decided to employ this credo to country music, and
people take me seriously. I apologize for any heart palpitations or stress
reactions I may have inadvertantly caused by my light sarcasm.
Rick
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:31:09 EDT
From:         Andrew Liles <ALILES@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      King's X

With all the talk about King's X lately, I thought I would put in my 2
cents worth. I've seen them in concert twice in the recent past. I saw
them at the Roxy in Atlanta about 2 months ago, which proved to be, most
likely, the best concert I have ever seen. And I saw them again this
past weekend up in Charlotte, N.C. at a club called Rocky's. Both shows
were absolutely incredible. These guys are genuine, down to earth,
normal people. They don't seem to be on a big ego trip like a lot of
bands I've seen. They come out in the crowd before and after the shows
and they thank people individually for coming. Maybe it's just that they
aren't sick of the big crowds yet, but they really seem to love their
audiences.

At the concert in Atlanta, Doug Pinnick (bass guitar / lead singer) blew
up his bass amp. Then after the next song or 2, he blew up his spare
amp. They were out of amps, so after a long conference on stage, they
broke down the drums and brought them right up to the front of the stage
and decided to do what they called - King's X Unplugged. Then they
commenced to do the most incredible set I have ever seen. It looked and
sounded as though the entire audience knew every word. I've never seen
such emotion in a concert. All I could say was Wow!

If you aren't familiar with King's X, they have 4 CD's (albums, tapes,
whatever) on the shelves as follows (in chronological order):

   _Out of the Silent Planet_
   _Gretchen Goes To Nebraska_
   _Faith Hope Love_
   _King's X_

I highly recommend all of them, but I do agree with lee's earlier
posting that they aren't a band that you can listen to casually in the
background unless you know the songs. Give them time to grow on you and
you won't be disappointed. They are an incredible band lyrically and
musically, and an intense emotional experience.

a n d r e w
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:45:28 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
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              "rael@CSVAX1.UCC.IE" at Jul 27, 92 1:07 pm

re: Peter Gabriel--I wondered who this was, and while my husband and I were
looking around in Camelot over the weekend I saw one of his CDs and asked
(since his name has been coming up--I have a lot of blind spots when it comes
to the names flying by on the net) who he is, my husband replied, "Oh,
that's the guy that
whenever you hear him on the radio you ask, What is that trash?"

We did buy a great CD I've got to recommend: Alone and Acoustic by Buddy Guy
and Junior Wells.  "In 1981 Buddy and Junior spent a day in a studio in Paris,
in the midst of a European tour...Instead of their usual electric guitar and
amplified harmonica, both played acoustic instruments...Instead of a full band,
they were accompanied only by each other...Many of the lyrics were improvised
on the spot."  I want to tell you this is some of the best stuff I've heard in
a long time!!  The occasion reminds me of another great impromptu on-the-side
recording session: Bo Diddley/Chuck Berry "Two Great Guitars"--the story is
they were each recording on separate floors in a studio, ran into each other,
and sat down and played together--extended purely instrumental improv with lots
of references to their classics tossing on the waves--they should have called
this cassette "Two Geniuses."

Ended up with another CD that may not to be most of you-all's taste, but I will
swear by it: Standing in the Safety Zone, by the Fairfield Four.  A capella
Black gospel from Nashville--these guys were singingin the 40s and 50s along
with Dixie Hummingbirds, Five Blind Boys, etc.--and are just as good.  Their
bass, Roland White, is... (excuse the valley girl adjective--they ruined a good
word) awesome.  Forty years later this group will still bring you to your feet.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:56:06 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      re: sins and sinners
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>I would like to make my own comments about the sins of music.  Everybody sins
>and needs to be forgiven by the grace of God.  But have you ever heard
>ministers talk about how Country Music influences America's young people.  NO!
>There is always talk that rock n' roll & heavy metel is the mail cause of
>tennage acts of succide,murder, and devil worship;not to mention the doing of
>Drugs.

Interesting beliefs, but by no means are they shared by me.  I do agree,
however, that Drugs deserves to be capitalized.

Russ
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:51:18 CDT
From:         Lee=Jenkins%Factory=Sup%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM
Subject:      sharrock, jazz, etc
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i picked up sharrock's _ask the ages_ based on the list recommendation, and it
is actually quite good.  i was very impressed with the way the guitar and
saxaphone(s) play in and around each other, and just how the guitar shines in
general.  very nice.

i was a little disappointed at first, and my second listen through i figured
out why -- it was then that i realized why i've never been able to really
break into jazz.  the final mix and production are really lacking in places.
sometimes it's hard to tell what the drummer is doing because it sounds like
he's in another room, or the bass is really muddy, or the sax is pushed way
into the background even though he's howling away.  and then other times it
all comes together in a wonderful mix where everyone's in the right place and
you can just feel it.  sometimes the drummer will have a really great groove
moving the piece along, and other times it's hard to tell if what i'm hearing
is a brushed snare or hiss on the master tape.  call me picky, i guess.

please don't take this as a bad review of the cd -- the music is, overall,
really wonderful, and i am glad i bought it.  no doubt.  i will probably start
looking for other disks which had been mentioned here.

btw, i have noticed a similar problem with some of my classical music.  the
instruments which mostly have the melody are way out in front and everyone
else is pushed back.  the music feels "lopsided" (lacking fullness?) and
couterpoints are often weak or obscure.

anyhow, i would highly recommend this cd to anyone who is still undecided
about this whole jazz/sharrock concept.  it is very good.


lee
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