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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:29:09 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan07.015117.27853@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:

>How about this?
>In BoBW, Riker is promoted to Captain (permanently). If Picard
>does not return, then Big E is his. Picard comes back, though.
>Since Big E was his ship before it was Riker's, then he retains
>command. Now, Riker is a Captain without a ship. 

[snip]

How about this?

In BoBWII, Riker was given a field promotion to Captain.  It was
a temporary promotion, because there was no captain nearby who could
take the big E.  So, because he was the most qualified person on the ship,
he was made the captain, temporarily.

I specifically remember the Admiral with whom Riker was speaking said that
he was giving Riker a *field* promotion.


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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Vulcan Captain??? (Major Mistake!!!)read 17396
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:55:11 GMT
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In <1993Jan7.141943.1@pearl.tufts.edu> rsmith@pearl.tufts.edu writes:

>Yup.  We now have conclusive proof of that question which has been nagging
>all our minds these past 25 years: VULCANS CAN HAVE IDENTICAL TWIN SIBLINGS!
>:-)

For all we know, all Vulcans could be twins.  (Spock wouldn't count,
of course, since he's only half Vulcan.)

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From: beuker@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Craig Beuker)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 07:38:20 GMT
Organization: University of Regina

carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:


>THIS IS AN ORIGINAL DRINKING GAME I MADE UP FOR ST:DS9!!!

>FOLLOW-UP THIS POST WITH SOME OF YOUR OWN AND IT WILL BE PUBLISHED!!!

<[misc stuff deleted]>

a beer for each time o'brien(sp) has to kick the transporter to get it to work.
<grin>
 
     Craig
From: BARNESD@vax1.elon.edu (Danny Barnes  )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: `Cheers woman
Date: 10 Jan 1993 21:39:30 GMT
Organization: Elon College
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In <C0K76w.277@world.std.com> mdm@world.std.com writes:

> Cheerswise I can remember two other instances where cheers cast members
> have appeared in episodes.  Dr. Strernan-Crane played the podded role of
> Riker's alien lover if I remember correctly.  And didn't Frazer Crane have
> command of a star ship at one point??
> Any appearances from Norm you can think of?
> mm

Can you imagine George Wendt as, say, a Ferengi?
Or Cliff as a Vulcan?!?
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From: plant@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Seperation?
Reply-To: plant@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:15:42 GMT

FYI: "seperation" is actually "sepAration" (including the capital -- it's
Olde Englishe spelling.

Of course, if "seperation" makes you feel better, that's OK.  Wrong,
but OK.)
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From: sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh)
Subject: Re: Trek review mailing list?
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:22:52 GMT

In article <C0p6D7.KJ0@mach1.wlu.ca> sche7135@mach1.wlu.ca (Scott Schelter u) writes:
>I couldn't agree more. So what if it means the hassle of a new split.
>When the old split was made, I don't think that anyone anticipated a new
>series coming out. The only problem that I can see is where people can
>post about TOS or the movies. I haven't been here long enough to suggest
>a viable solution to that problem. Suggestions?

in r.a.s.misc, same as now.


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From: jwbailey@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (James Wood Bailey)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Emissary"
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:18:10 GMT

In article <athos-100193005651@kip2-46.apple.com> athos@apple.com
 (Rick Eames) comments that he is:
>
>* Sick of GodLike race to which humans must explain humanity.  TNG started
>the same way.
>
>* Sick of stupid science.  For the creatures to ask about LINEAR TIME meant
>they were experiencing it too.  If not, there would be no reason to say
>"Whenever one of you comes through the hole..."  That's called rememebering
>and shows linear time.  Stupid science.

There have been quite a few complaints about the "linear time" questions
posed by the wormhole aliens in "Emissary."  Here's my two cents:
upon watching the episode for the second time, it occurred to me that
Sisko's interrogation may have been *Socratic* in nature; that is,
the objective of his questioners was not to acquire information about
humans, (they aliens may very well have understood linear time
perfectly, for all we know -- certainly they are quite sophisticated)
but to guide Sisko, through compelling him to explain certain
psychological and metaphysical concepts, to some form of
self-enlightenment.  Certainly this objective would be consistent with
Kai's remark to Sisko that he must undertake to find the celestial
temple "not for Bajor, not for the Federation, but for your own *pakh.*"

Thus, it's not stupid science at all.  It's clever philosophy, or
at least an attempt at it.  The problem comes when we interpret
the aliens' behavior with too little irony.

 
>******************************************************************************
>Rick Eames                               My Opinions Are My Own (not
>Apple's)
>athos@apple.com
>Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Boxer.
>******************************************************************************

Clancy Bailey
Dept. of Politics, Princeton University
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From: kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman)
Subject: Confused About Emissary (spoilers)
Summary: Maybe this should have been the first r.a.s-rec.sport.hockey crosspost
Keywords: Do you call a trill with a klingon host "trill" or "gagh"?
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:07:09 GMT

No doubt spoilers for the DS9 pilot:




If the wormhole critters do not experience linear time, how did they
ever manage to put together a hockey team good enough to win all those
Stanley Cups?

Curiously,
Ken
From: slgyp@cc.usu.edu (Doran L. Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "My Two Cents" on Troi in Uniform
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:16:43 MDT
Organization: Utah State Univ. - Elec/Comp Engineering

In article <1993Jan4.152856.7098@gw.wmich.edu>, x91anderso33@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> Since everyone seems to be talking about this subject, let me throw in "My Two
> Cents Worth."
> 
	[...]

> I don't think Troi has any business being in a regular uniform, not with the
> body she's got (yes, these are pigheaded sexist thoughts, but hey, that's the
> type of guy I am!). I think that they should design a Starfleet uniform for
> females that's different (and of course, more feminine!) from the ones that
> guys have to wear; maybe something with a skirt or something.
> 
        What about the female uniforms from the old series? I bet you
        like them, eh?

> As to how humanity will be in the 24th century (assuming we ever get that far),
> I just hope that guys appreciate still appreciate hooters like Trois' (boy I'll
> bet i just pissed off some feminists!).
> 
        It seems apparent in quite a few episodes where Troi is
        depicted as a sex symbol that they do ``appreciate hooters
        like Troi's''. I think some 20th century attitudes have
        bleeded through a little too much in those.

        Doran

Doran L. Barton 		``There was only one thing I could do: 
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From: S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: 69 Re: Comments on DS9 "Emissary" **SPOILERS**
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:19:57 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

>Also...wasn't the ensign framed for the murders of the Klingon emissaries
>in ST:VI named Dax?  If so, I'd like a future episode to either confirm
>or contraindicate whether it was the same Dax.  This could be interesting.
>
>Tony
>tsellers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
>

I believe the name of the crewman in STVI was Jax.  He was also an enlisted
member of the crew, and alien (not too humanoid) race.I sincerely doubt
it was meant to be the same character, even if I am incorrect about the
name.

                                             -=Road Warrior=-
From: shimkevi@acs.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 in the Boston area - help!
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:12:02 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <106394@bu.edu> shimkevi@acs.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:
>
>Could some kind sould please tell me which station in the Boston area
>carries Deep Space Nine and when.
>Please e-mail (I can't keep up with the messages on this newsgroup).
>
>I guess I've missed the first episode. Drat.

Everybody who replied - thanks!
I am sorry, I cannot do this personally, since there were too many
messages (should have known better :-)

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From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: Why leave a commander in charge of DSN??
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:50:49 GMT

In article <1icd2pINNvc@tsc.cs.unc.edu> hyatt@cs.unc.edu (Brant Hyatt)  
writes:
> Can someone explain why Starfleet has put a commander in
> charge of a large space station that is going to be so important.
> It just seems that a station would be under control of at 
> least a captain.  Just wondering.
> 
Well, they didn't know it was going to be so important before they assigned  
him. Starfleet just felt it was some backwater planet that the fedearation  
had a vested intrest in politicaly. Maybe sisco will get a promotion if he  
does well though.

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From: BrianT@cup.portal.com (Brian Stuart Thorn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "My two cents" on DS9 women
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 20:29:30 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <JASON.93Jan7172825@ab20.larc.nasa.gov>


>Speaking of the women in DSN.  Have you noticed that the top
>command of DSN is very politically correct?  Could the writers be
>bending under political pressure?
>--
>Jason C. Austin

     I don't care why they chose these two, but from "Emissary" it
     may very well be because they were the best talent available
     (at least at that price). Brooks and Visitor were terrific.
     
     -Brian

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From: mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz)
Subject: Re: Comments on DS9 "Emissary" **SPOILERS**
Organization: Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:07:58 GMT

spork@camelot.bradley.edu (Richard Izzo) writes:
>In <C0E1E1.HHs.1@cs.cmu.edu> mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz) writes:
>
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>>The Tritt (Dax?):  Using the orb to reveal her past was a clever way

>I believe that's "Trill." 
> 

Oops, yep... heh, heh, you can tell I've been re-reading "The Gods Themselves."
:-)

>>Rene Auberjonois doesn't have job security, either, but I like Odo,
>>and was pleasantly surprised by his character (I guess I had pictured
>>him as being rather like Data in temperment).  
>
>	I wasn't.  At some points, he almost reminded me of Clayton 
>Endicott  from "Benson."  I wonder why...?  =-)

Actually, during the plea-bargaining scene, he did seem like Clayton
Endicott III to me.  Endicott wouldn't be caught dead in those clothes,
though... 8^)

>>The mood on the show, in general, was excellent.  These characters
>>were a breath of fresh air, and for the most part beleiveable and
>>three-dimensional.  I'll be looking forward to further episodes of
>>Deep Space Nine, and I give this premiere episode a nice 9.5 out of 10 --
>>as a first episode, it worked much better than "EaF."  Looking at "EaF"
>>and seeing how much the characters changed over the first season, I am
>>very interested to see how these characters will evolve over the
>>course of the year.
>
>It worked a thousand times better than "Encounter at Farpoint."  "EaF" 
>showed us cardboard cutouts of characters; "Emissary" showed us enfleshed,
>feeling characters.  This was expected, of course.  DS9 is supposed to
>be more emotionally charged, for one thing, and the writers probably 
>worked on the script for months.  Also, Berman and Pillar (that's their
>names?) can base the structure of TNG for DS9; TNG did not have that
>advantage.

That's certainly true.  The funny thing is, when TNG first aired, I
(eventually) enjoyed it as true "Star Trek," yet didn't even associate
it with the original series (i.e. I didn't -- and don't -- compare it
to TOS, since it's like apples and oranges).  And now, I think I would have 
enjoyed DS9 last night even without its association with TNG, and that's 
saying a great deal.  I think it will stand well on its own.





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From: ko_mike@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Michael Y Ko)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: What about Twain?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 14:08:29 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
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Is there every going to be an episode with Twain coming back?
I thought I heard somewhere that there was a hint that Mark Twain
would come back to the future?


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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 11:58:20 GMT

In article <C0o1JG.8w5@moxie.hou.tx.us> hackney@moxie.hou.tx.us (Greg Hackney) writes:
>cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
>> how do you know that DS9 is what the people 
>> involved use?
>
>Coming out of the wormhole, Sisko radioed to the station with
>the call letters: DS9
>


Right, so we all know what to say when calling the space station,
but that really says nothing about how to accurately abbreviate
the proper title of a television series.

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:49:05 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <C09Cz8.89q@csn.org> pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals) writes:

> This is pure speculation but taking into account various hints dropped by
> TNG people it looks to me that next season we will see Riker promoted to
> Captain and Data to Commander. They will get away with this by promoting
> Picard to Commodore. He will stay aboard (nominally to supervise Riker) 

Do you really think Star Fleet would give a Galaxy-class starship to
a Captain who needed a babysitter?
From: 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:06:41 GMT
Organization: Ball State University

In article <C0GKHs.LsB@shuksan>, major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt) writes:
>
>   In the Army, subordinates address women by rank or by "ma'am" (it sounds
>   terrible and most women hate it - but that's the protocol."
> 
>   The equivalent of "Yes, sir!" is "Yes, ma'am!"  It's more comfortable to
>   address women by their rank.  eg "Sergeant Smith", "Lieutenant Brown".
>   Warrant Officers are more difficult.  A Chief Warrant Officer can be 
>   correctly addressed as "Chief".  However, warrant officers are USUALLY
>   addressed as "Mister" - and that is not appropriate for a woman warrant
>   officer.  I've never heard any woman in the Army addressed as "Sir" or
>   "Mister".  

Yeah... I was thinking about that... Being ROTC we're nailed with all this
customs & courtesy junk... My instructors are always calling us cadets
Mr. <LastNameHere>... But I've never heard them call a female cadet Miss...

>   It is appropriate for officers to address enlisted women simply by their
>   last names.  "Bunworthy, get over here!"  Though it IS rude.  However,
>   all military personnel should first and foremost be addressed by their
>   rank.  

Hell I don't know half of the cadets' first names... just last names...

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From: x91anderso33@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: "My Two Cents" on Troi in Uniform
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:28:56 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Since everyone seems to be talking about this subject, let me throw in "My Two
Cents Worth."

Number one, why have they allowed Troi to wear that nice sleek outfit (hubba
hubba!) for all these years? Two, why is it that those uniforms just don't work
with female crew members?

I don't think Troi has any business being in a regular uniform, not with the
body she's got (yes, these are pigheaded sexist thoughts, but hey, that's the
type of guy I am!). I think that they should design a Starfleet uniform for
females that's different (and of course, more feminine!) from the ones that
guys have to wear; maybe something with a skirt or something.

As to how humanity will be in the 24th century (assuming we ever get that far),
I just hope that guys appreciate still appreciate hooters like Trois' (boy I'll
bet i just pissed off some feminists!).

 --Karl Anderson, Western Michigan University

P.S. - As if anyone will care, I'm starting a weekly column of sorts called "My
Two Cents" in which I will say whatever's on my mind about Star Trek.

P.P.S. - To my good buddy Phin, hope you get onto this group; E-mail me if you
do!
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN: Meaning of "Celestial Temple" -- Spoilers
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:17:33 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <79856@hydra.gatech.EDU> cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
>Spoilers for DS9:  "The Emissary":
>

>
>What bothered me about this is that the orbs had apparently been appearing
>for 10,000 Bajoran years, which means that the Bajorans had been looking
>for the temple for that long, or almost that long.  Also, the Cardassians
>had been looking for the temple for at least 16 years.  Then along comes
>Lt. Dax, who, working with information available to both the Bajorans and
>the Cardassians, finds the wormhole in only two hours or so.

	Well, it could be that the majority of Bajorans think that the 
Celestial Temple is right up there with the Lost Ark, the Holy Grail,
and Surak's Clavicle.  Items of myth, that don't necessarily have any 
real existance.  Perhaps they were too busy looking for the CT in
the "paa" and didn't think to look for it as an actual place.  That's 
why they needed Sisco, someone who will cut through the mysticism.
	That could have been the Cardassians' mistake.  They perhaps 
were looking for the CT on Bajor.

	YMMV.
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From: kevin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth)
Subject: Troi's accent
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:33:02 GMT


     Just one last comment on Troi's accent:  the reason you never
hear other Betazoids (Tam Elbron, Lwaxana, etc.) speak with Deanna's
accent is because her accent is *NOT* Betazoid!!  It's the accent of
her father, who was a human Starfleet officer, probably raised on a
planet where everyone has that weird accent.  In fact, this is canon;
I think it's Lwaxana who says (thinks) to Troi something like "I see
you still have your father's accent".  So there.  And don't forget to
check out Atsushi Kanamori on alt.tv.bh90210.  DS9 was FABULOUS!!!!

				To hell with the new DS9 bashers,
				Kevin Duckworth