HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:46:51 EDT
From: <WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 1993 Jeep Grand Wagoneer

Hello,
I was wondering if anyone had read any reports or heard anything about
 Jeep's new $29,800 Grand Wagoneer.  I understand it's basically a Jeep
 Grand Cherokee Limited with a beefy (5.2L?) V8 engine and woodgrain
 applique.  Also, does anyone have any first (or second) hand experiences
 with the Jeep sponsored "Jeep Jamborees?"  Particularly the east coast
excursions.  Thanks!




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From: gary@hpbbrd.bbn.hp.com (Gary W. Tuosto)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:52:27 GMT
Subject: Re: ANYBODY INTO 64-73 MUSCLECARS??
Organization: HP Mechanical Design Division
Newsgroups: rec.autos

> / hpbbrd:rec.autos / jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young) /  3:38 pm  Aug  6, 1992 /
> I was bored reading the groups I normally read,and started reading rec.autos,And started
> thinking why don't they talk about the real cars(MUSCLE CARS)?Is there a group or could
> we start a group like rec.autos.hotrods or something like rec.autos.muscle????I like the
> old Hot Rods 20's-30's,war and post war cars of the 40's,cruising cars of the 50's and last
> (but certainly not least)muscle cars of the 60's-early 70's.
> IMHO after 1973 cars turned into generic boxes.(with the exception of the Dodge Viper,using the
> old Shelby body style)with no balls!!!!!!!

Basically  true,  even  though I still love my '79  Camaro.  With a 350,
Holley  and  Hookers  it will do 120+  mph here in the  land of no speed
limits.  Granted, I would prefer a '70 1/2 Z28.

> I had a 65 G.T.O,a 66 LeMans and now I have a 72 Formula 400 Firebird(and a jap truck)

Scorch!  Last  time I posted a note with  'jap' in it, I got burn  marks
all over my bod from the flames!

> 
> Does anyone else like sleek bodystyle's,Big Block motor's,and lots o' chrome!!???

Is there anything else in life?!

Gary W. Tuosto				email:		gary@hpbbrd.bbn.hp.com
Mechanical Design Division		Telephone
Hewlett-Packard GmbH			  in Germany:	07031/142774
Herrenberger Strasse 130		  in the US:	01149-7031-142774
W-7031 Boeblingen, Germany
From: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Marchal Fog Lights (or ot
Date: 10 Aug 92 18:52:00 GMT
Reply-To: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds)
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525

SG>Subject: Marchal Fog Lights (or other brands)

SG>(lens or light). These are Marchal fog lights and Ford wants $87 for
SG>each light. Does anyone know of a cheaper place that might have them?

Consider yourself lucky.   I just got a '89 Taurus SHO, and both the 
foglights on it were broken (lenses shattered by rocks from the road).
Ford charges $100 per light, and will not sell just the lens/reflector
assembly, you HAVE to get the entire mounting assembly, hardware, screws,
etc with the light itself as a package.  Some advice I got from a general
manager of a ford dealership - go to an aftermarket store with the mounting 
brackets for the foglight, and see what you can find that will fit it.
Get mesh covers (also aftermarket) to shield the lamp from rocks and other 
road debris (the SHOs foglights are QUITE low, and probably get attacked
by all sorts of small rocks at freeway speeds) too, so you won't have to 
replace the lights on a weekly basis ;-).
---
 . KingQWK 2.00 .6 # 145 . "Suicide Hotline.  Please hold."
From:  (Eric Youngblood)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Paint Experts: does good paint easily chip?
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:18:55 GMT
Reply-To: Peon w/o Email priv (Eric Youngblood)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx

In article <77876@ut-emx.uucp>, ben@ut-emx.uucp (Benjamin J. Sloan) writes:
|> A friend recently spent far too much (>$1000) on getting a spiffy
|> white paintjob for her BMW 633.  The mechanic, who I consider on the
|> take, claimed it was fabulous "mercedes white" paint that made the

Mercedes uses Herbert-Standox paints. It is about the best paint available
(IMO) in the world. It doesnt chip. In fact urethane bumpers can be painted
with this stuff as it flexes and will not crack. I would be skeptical about
whether he actually used the same paint "mercedes" uses.

|> job so pricey.  Now, about six months later, there are big chips
|> in the paint wherever it has been dinged.  The tailing edge of the
|> door, for example, has .5 cm chips all along it, and the leading
|> edge of the hood has big chips missing from road debris abrasion.
|> 
|> It seems to me that these are unusually large chips to flake off.
|> Does this sound like a good paint job or a good screw job?
|>

It depends on what kind of paint. Laquers tend to be brittle and chip easily
but obviouly a new paint job shouldnt be chipping so soon.
 
|> Thanks,
|> 
|> Ben Sloan
|> ben@emx.utexas.edu
|> 

I'm no expert, but I have used several brands and types of paint. Even Laquers
should stay put if properly applied. What kind of guarantee did she get? I
would take it back and get some answers. Make sure what the guy meant when he
said "mercedes white" paint. He could have been refering to color only.



Good luck,

$0.02
Ericy
From: terst1+@pitt.edu (Timothy E. Rapp)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: '93 Explorer gets 4 wheel ABS and aero running boards
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:42:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

The 4 wheel full time ABS should be available immediately.

The aero running boards aren't expected to be available until
after December.

At least - that is what the dealer says!  And everyone
knows that dealers are completely informed and honest!  :-)

----------------------
Timothy Rapp
rapp@unix.cis.pitt.edu
----------------------
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: yhmok@hornet.mips.com (Yeuk-Hai -Shark- Mok)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Sierra RS Cosworth (WAS Re: Mustang SVO)
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:02:21 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hornet.mips.com

> the european Ford Sierra was imported as the Merkur XR4Ti.  i believe GM
>was threatening action if Ford imported it as the Sierra, since there was
>the possibility of confusion with the GMC Sierra and the Olds Cutlass Ciera.
>(of course, only a lamebrain would confuse a pickup with a Sierra Cosworth.)
>i think there's substantial difference between a Sierra and a Taurus, most
>notably in that the Sierra is RWD and the Taurus is FWD.  but if you mean
>conceptually... i'll buy that.  placid family car turns into a barnstormer.

>wish i could remember better, but here goes.  the Ford Sierra RS Cosworth
>was a homologation for the Touring Car races.  its primary competition
>was the BMW M3, and as i remember, the Sierra did a creditable job of
>thrashing the M3.  the Sierra RS Cosworth had a turbo 4 producing slightly
>over 200 bhp.  don't remember if it was a multivalve head, but Cosworth did
>the work on the engine.  i think it was a 2.0 liter.  0-60 was a bit under 
>6 seconds.  of course, too much is not enough.  BMW produced the M3 evolution
>and Ford produced the Sierra Cosworth RS500.  same engine, but with bigger
>turbos.  0-60 dropped to low 5s (would've been even lower, but the larger
>turbos resulted in more turbo lag).  the most distinctive feature of this 
>car was a biplane rear spoiler.  and we're not talking about a half-hearted
>attempt like on the Merkur XR4Ti.  this one was big.  you'd never mistake 
>an RS500 for anything else except maybe a Merkur XR4Ti.  there was a 4-dr. 
>Sierra Sapphire RS Cosworth.  i think there might also have been an AWD
>version, too.  maybe somebody on the other side of the ocean can tell us
>more.

	The Sierra RS Cosworth's engine is a typical DOHC 16V with a turbo.
The Sapphire is the one on sale now and it have the same engine with slighty more output and 4WD.  And the British uses it as Police Car.  It is very expensive in England, approx 25,000 pounds (near US$50,000).

	Although very fast and have been a winner in the Touring Car Series, it got totally beaten by Nissan's Skyline GT-R a few years back.  The Skyline have a 2.7 inline 6 with DOHC and 24v and a huge turbo.  Output in Japanese spec is 280ps and 300+ in race track.

>the Cosworth versions never made it to the U.S. because certification was
>too costly.  sigh.

	Shark at SGI
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mstacc@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.S. Tremblay)
Subject: Parts needed...
Originator: mstacc@ultb
Reply-To: mstacc@ultb.rit.edu ()
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:08:29 GMT

Need some help in finding an engine for a 1985 Toyota Corrola.  It is a
1.6L carburetor engine.  I would like to purchase an entire car and
pull the engine, but will also take just the engine.  If anyone knows
of a near totaled or rusted out Corrola of this era, please let me
know.

I can get an engine from a 'local' junk yard, but they want lots of
money, plus I would rather have the entire car for other peices
parts...

Also, if someone knows what other year Corrola would be compatable with
the '85, let me know as that can increase my search parameters.

Please e-mail me the responses as I am not a regular of this group.
-- 
-Mark Tremblay              
  software specialist                       Internet:    mstacc@ultb.isc.rit.edu
     Rochester Institute of Technology      Phone:       716.475.2986
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Electric Cars
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:59:32 GMT


i was under the impression that one of the primary problems with
alcohol-burning cars was that they produced too much formaldehyde
as a byproduct of the combustion.  is this true?
-teddy
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Mustang SVO 
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:55:24 GMT

In article <md-yzl#@rpi.edu> johnsh@aix.rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson) writes:
[stuff about creating a mustang SHO]
>(everyone knows that the SHO engine will outaccelerate the 5.0 from
>about 90MPH on up.  A moot point, but a point).  

are you sure of this?  the taurus SHO outaccelerates the 5.0 mustang
at high speeds, but i thought it was due to superior aerodynamics,
not because the SHO engine produces more oomph than the V-8.
i think a 5.0 taurus (if you could somehow put it in there without losing
any power) would probably be faster.

>However, with the new 'stang
>getting a spanking-new modular V8 soon in the future, I doubt the SHO 'stang
>would ever happen.  It'd be neat to see an aftermarket company do it, though.

hmm.  somebody put the SHO drivetrain into a festiva and called it a Shogun.
anyway, i think the mustang should always have a V-8.  multivalve heads,
turbos, superchargers, variable valve timing, whatever... as long as it's
a V-8.  why not have a probe SHO?  there were rumors of this before.
a probe SHO would have a 56 hp increase over the probe GT and MX-6, 42 hp
over the corrado SLC, 60 hp over the prelude Si.  i don't think there's
anything in this market segment that has over 200 hp at this point.

-teddy
From: lea00@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Larry Akers)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:54:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Foriegn cop cars
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.autos

In rec.autos, markg@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mark Goldsworthy) writes:

    / hpmwga7:rec.autos / wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) /  7:07 am  Aug  3, 1992 /
	    >>>In article <1992Jul31.184114.2200@crc.ricoh.com> chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff Chilton) writes:
	    >>   U.S. but this would be the first cop car that I have heard of that
    >>   was built by a non-american manufacturer. I would have said "foreign
    >
    >	In the mid '70s the Aspen Co. police used turbo Saabs.

    >The police in Vail are still using Saabs. I don't remember if they are turbos
    >or not.

    >>Mark (ski Vail every year, just moved out of CO) Goldsworthy
    

And was it Jay Lenno who said that they were following a Saab in Vail
and noticed the bumper sticker that said "MY OTHER CAR IS UP MY NOSE"
then he noticed the light bar on top...

LA...  LA...  LA...  LA...  LA...  LA...  Later,,,  Larry Akers
From: paraska@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Pete Paraska)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Talon/Eclipse/Laser mailing list...
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:36:16 GMT
Reply-To: paraska@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Peter Paraska)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, gtas1@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Terrance Stedman) writes:
>        Can someone help me post to the above mailing list?  I can receive
>posted articles but my messages bounce every time.
>        I'm using talon-list@radius.com, but to no avail.  Ideas?

Usually, the "username" of the place to actually send mail messages
to FOR the list is different than the "username" that you send mail
to in order to BE PUT ON the mailing list.  For the talon-list, mail
to :
   talon-list@radius.com
and include :    subscribe your_username@your_alpha_internet_address
in the "Subject:" line.  To get on the talon-list, YOU would put
    subscribe gtas1@pool.info.sunyit.edu
in the "Subject:" line.

			 Sometimes, the message you include after the
Subject line is not even read by the recipient, since the recipient
is just a shell script which "reads" its own mail and strips your mailing
information from the "Subject:" line.

To POST mail to the talon-list, send your mail to:
   talon@radius.com

I hope this helps.  I just learned this stuff the other day when trying
to get on the hotrod list  (hotrod-list@dixie.com and hotrod@dixie.com).
I guess that the moderaters (or managers) of these lists all use the
same setup described above for these lists.

> I ) I I <~ I_I   Terry Stedman
> I \ I_I _> I I   Internet: gtas1@pool.info.sunyit.edu

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From: dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: ANYBODY INTO 64-73 MUSCLECARS??
Summary: YEEEEEAAAAA!!!! :O)
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:33:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hotrods `R' Us, Montgomery, IL

In article <1992Aug13.222119.18094@bnr.ca>,  (Eric Youngblood) writes:
< In article <1992Aug9.042850.27199@njitgw.njit.edu>, ajm9230@hertz.njit.edu (anthony j messina coe stnt) writes:
< |> Here,here!!! 
< |> 
< |> Muscle is the way to go!
< |> 
< |> I have a 1966 Pontiac Tempest and love it.  If it wasn't for my 
< |> getting this car, I don't know what I would be like now.
< |> 
< |> I prefer the muscle cars of the 40's to early 70's.
< |> I take a preference of GM cars, but I wouldn't mind a nice Boss Mustang.
< |> 
< |> 8-)
< |> 
< |> --Anthony
< |> *A Pontiac dude at heart*
< 
< 
< ditto, ditto, ditto.
< 
< 
< Having a blast restoring a 77 TA.... (even if it is newer than 73)  B^)
< 
< 
< $0.02	
< Ericy



Me three!! Only witha 77 Camaro, hmmm, we're going to have to get to-
gether and compare notes Eric. 8^)

                      
                                          
                     
                     |                    
                     | David Gunsul       
                     | dcg@mogun.uucp      
                     |------------------------------------------------
                     |  It's amazing what $2,500 worth of big block
                     |  will do to $60,000 worth of high technology.
From: ganapath@tahoe.qualcomm.com (Chinnappa Ganapathy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Does anyone like the new Prelude?
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:37:15 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

In article <1992Aug12.020216.4757@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
>
>Well..being a mostly american car lover <the only jap cars I like are the 
>300zx and Q45...both are Nissan's ya know> I'd ahve to say the new Prelude
>is a piece of crap. It doesn't corner well...it's engine sounds like a baby
>crying..and the body is ugly...the dash is SICK. I remember the auto mags
>saying 'the US cars dashes are simple..and thats why they suck'...but
>then they turn around and day 'the Prelude's dash is simple...and thats
>why they are nice'.........GO FIGURE!
>
>Worst of all..the damn tail lights are stolen from oldsmobile! hahhah..and
>what are those notches on the inside of the headlights? fly catchers?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Did you notice that one of the new Chrysler LH sedans have "fly catchers"
stolen from the Prelude?


>
>sheesh

Yeah!


>
>--
>==============================  *  Marshal Perlman               * DO
>=-> mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu <-=  *  Huntington Beach, California  * NOT
>==============================  *  (Surf City, U.S.A)            * EAT
>"It's the greenhouse effect, officer. That's why I am not wearing pants."


Chinna
-- 
Chinnappa Ganapathy    | "Think about it.  Look at other parts of the world
ganapath@qualcomm.com  |  today with concentration camps and stuff like that.
QUALCO/\/\/\/\         |  Then look at this silly game.  Kind of puts things
                       |  in perspective." - Bob Gagliano, Chargers Quaterback
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: meiboy@tsoft.sf-bay.org (MeiBoy of UCU)
Subject: Re: Police Tauri
Organization: The TeleSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 7958
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 10:02:52 GMT

In article <y--yvqr@rpi.edu> johnsh@aix.rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.195605.595@skitzo.dseg.ti.com> dittman@skitzo.dseg.ti.com (Eric Dittman) writes:
>>There's never been a Taurus/Sable with a 5.0L V8 (or any V8).  There was
>>an early Taurus MT5 that had a 4-cylinder with 5-speed manual, but that
>>was underpowered and dropped from the line.
>
>Believe it or not, there were a select number of Tauruses produced in '87 or
>'88 which had a 5.0 painfully shoehorned into its engine bay.  These V8
>Tauruses were experiments to see if the SHO model -- just then being intro-
>duced -- would fare better with the homegrown V8.  The conversion took too
>much of the 5.0's spirit away, though, so it was never produced in large
>quantities.  I've only seen one, and it was owned by a friend of mine in --

When the '96 Taurus comes out in '95, one of the engine options will
be a 4.0 L V-8, one version of the modular engines.

>guess where? -- Dearborn.  Being an employee has its advantages.
>
>>The automatic transmission for the SHO has been on-again-off-again for
>>the past couple of years.  Has Ford definitely decided to bring out
>>the automatic now?
>
>Yes.  Or at least, closer than it has been.  An FYI in Car And Driver a month
>or so ago reported that the '93 SHO will have an automatic as an option.  It
>also stated that the Yamaha engine for '93 will be bored out to 3.2L (up from
>3.0) for more low-end torque.  Waiting with bated breath...
>
While we're on the subject, the '96 Taurus SHO will get a 3.5 liter modular
V-6.  I wonder what Ford will do with the Yamaha engine.

meiboy2
From: mikem@rgb.com (Mike Mages)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: In Search of Morris Minor
Summary: Looking for a source of Morris Minors in Northern California.
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:31:23 GMT
Organization: RGB Spectrum

Would like to purchase a Morris Minor, preferably a TRAVELER or CONVERTIBLE
in the next few months. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and have been
having trouble finding any sources for these great cars. There were two clubs,
one in S.F. and one in Palo Alto, that have disbanded in the last few years.
Other than that I have been unable to find any leads. Would preferably like 
to get one in good condition but not necessarily fully restored. If you have
any info please write.
thanks.
From: jitloke@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Jit-Loke Lim)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Does anyone like the new Prelude?
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:40:24 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Aug12.145252.10996@centerline.com> chapman@centerline.com writes:
>the older 'lude was introduced in '86-'87 (or something like that?).

I remember seeing brochures for the older 'lude in 1980. So its been around a 
while. I think it is all around attractive, low, wide, a real aggressive stance
with the right wheel/tyre combination. The current version has a real swoopy
stance viewed from the front but the rear end needs a little, er, surgery. 


Jit
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: meiboy@tsoft.sf-bay.org (MeiBoy of UCU)
Subject: Re: MotorWeek's Drivers' Choice Awards
Organization: The TeleSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 7958
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:39:34 GMT

>
>
>It is true; however, that somehow Toyota manage to make the
>interior space not as bad as it looks on paper. And if I am
>not mistaken, Camry is now the best selling car replacing the
>Accord.  I know at least four people who had trade in their

Wrong, the most recent sales figures I saw through the middle of this
year, the top selling family car is still accord, with the Taurus just
10,000 units behind.  The Camry is not even close, being behind the Explorer
and the Chrysler minivans.  The car with the most potential and sales
momentum to outsell the Accord is the Ford Taurus, Accord-ing to
some business magazine that I read.
.

>old Accord to a Camry, so either I am missing something here
>or people just get bored of Accords.
>
It seems like it.  That's why Honda of America is cutting the US production
of the Accord by 10%.

>The Camry wins on Accord just because it has a six cylinder
>engine.  In their comparison, Motor Trend (I think) --> I
>know, I know you can't count on them :), the 4 cylinder 
>Camry didn't rate as well as the Accord.
>
>I dunno, maybe I am biased toward the Accord because me
>and people around me have been happy with it.  I myself
>will wait 'til next year when Accord will have a new
>model and will be available with 6 cylinder in its top
>of the line. Taking a hint from its new Ascot Innova, I 

You have to wait longer than that.  Look in the June 29 issue of AutoWeek
on p. 4, it says that the '93 Accord will be bigger, but the only
engine available is a 2.4-liter four cylinder in 2 variations.
You probably have to wait till '95 for the V6 because it'll
be needed for an accord based minivan.  

>think it will somewhat better than today's Camry.
>
>Aah.... the good thing about competition ....
>

Yes, competition is making the American car makers to make cars as good
or better than their Japanese counterparts.

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Michelin MXV tire and its competitors
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:27:33 GMT

In article <55730@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> chrisg@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Chris Granitz) writes:
>     This is one aspect of the Michelins that seem to be better than most
>other tires, IMHO. They seem to have a much "rounder" (truer ?!) feeling to
>them. They also seem to balance very nicely. I had at least 2 fewer and smaller
>balancing weights on my Michelin MXV's than I did on my Pirelli P6's. 

well, first of all it may be a question of whether or not the person
who did the balancing on the P6's knew what they were doing; no tire should
require more than 3 weights to balance, and most will take 1 or 2, but
a bad balancer operator can make a real hash out of things.

richard
-- 
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