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From: jam@cray.com (Jim Martin)
Subject: Spec. Sheets
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:03:27 CST


Mr. Roberts - et al,

This is good technical information on dish specs !
I was wondering if anyone had ever put together a list
of specs for dish/lnb/actuator/IRD for novices. A dealer
can throw all kinds of information your way but what information
is really important to know about this equipment and what is
merely nice to know. If I'm out their looking at spec sheets
what should I be most interested in ? I assume, being a novice,
that I am naively asking a difficult question.
Worst case - could someone recommend a book/magazines that would
bring me up to speed on this information.
Is there a "Stereo Review"/"Consumer Reports" for this type
of equipment ???

Jim Martin (jam@techops.cray.com)  45/90 Lat/Long - "I think, therefore I laugh"

In article <9301112122.AA01648@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca> you write:
|> Someone posed the question ... (I forget who since I lost
|> the original message)
|> 
|> 1) Between the literature and installers, the consensus is that for
|>    someone in NC, a 7.5' dish/25 degree LNB or a 10' dish/40 degree
|>    LNB combination gives approximately the same picture quality.
|>    What do I gain if I decide upon a 10' 25 degree combination?
|> 
|> Well, assuming the same reflector efficiency 43%, and 5 degree
|> elevation angle (giving the most antenna noise of 58 K), and an
|> EIRP of 38 dBW this is what I get ...  (Worst Case Senario)
|> 
|>         7.5' 25 K  weighted S/N of 43.5 dB and a C/N of 13.9 dB
|>        10.0' 40 K  weighted S/N of 45.3 dB and a C/N of 15.7 dB
|>        10.0' 25 K  weighted S/N of 46.0 dB and a C/N of 16.4 dB
|> 
|> Of course using a higher elevation angle will get you a better
|> picture since there is less atmosphere for the signal to go
|> through, and earth noise, etc.
|> 
|> So a 10' 25 degree combination will gain you 0.7 dB over the
|> 10' 40 degree, and 2.5 dB over the 7.5' 25 degree.
|> 
|> So, the 10' 25 degree is 17% better than the 10' 40 degree,
|> and 77% better than the 7.5' 25 degree system ...
|> 
|> Also, the 10' 40 degree is 1.8 dB or 51% better than the 7.5'
|> 25 degree system.
|> 
|> Assuming a receiver threshold of 8 dB, and if you want a 7 dB
|> fade margin only the ten footer will deliver it ...
|> 
|> Also note that the FCC standard for CATV operations requires a
|> 47.0 dB weighted S/N ratio.  But for home dish usage most people
|> are happy with 42.0 dB S/N.
|> 
|> Also, consider the -3 dB beamwidth too when considering a dish
|> especially now that 2 degree spacing is being used.
|> 
|> A typical 7.5' dish has 2.4 degree -3dB beamwidth, while a
|> 10' has a 1.8 degree -3dB beamwidth... Anything above 2.0
|> degree and you will (possibly) pickup Co-channel interferance.
|> 
|> So GET THE 10 FOOTER!
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> Standard Disclaimers Apply!  I may have made a calculation error, etc.
|> 
|> ---
|> John Roberts
|> cs0773@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca


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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:21:51 -0500
From:         Monty Solomon <monty@PROPONENT.COM>
Subject:      Re: Mixing Dish & Antenna Inputs to the TV

> From: Michael_E_Weber.HENR01B@XEROX.COM
>

> I use both my dish and a local roof-top antenna as inputs to my TV, using a
> mechanical switch to choose which one is the active input.  Is there a way to
> "Y" the inputs so I don`t have to switch them?  In the ideal world -- using a
> TV remote control --  when I choose Channel 4 I would get the dish, and when I
> choose other channels, I would get the broadcast TV stations in my area
 without
> having to switch input lines at the back of my TV.

He can do it with a Channel Plus Modulator.  They are available from satellite
dealers as well as mail order from DBS and others.

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From: kaufman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman)
Subject: Car Auctions?
Reply-To: kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: 13 Jan 93 02:11:32 GMT

Kruse International holds collector car auctions all over the US.  They
advertise the availability (at some auctions) of a TV-bid.  Does anyone
know what satellite and transponder they use?

-- 
Marc Kaufman (kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU)
From: sher@BBN.COM (Lawrence D. Sher)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Taking the load off the actuator
Date: 5 Jan 1993 13:27:53 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: sher@BBN.COM (Lawrence D. Sher)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

I have a common 10 foot dish set-up and live in Massachusetts.  When my
actuator has to move the dish, it fights inertia to get it moving,
friction to keep it moving, and gravity.  Of these loads, only the
gravity load is substantial, and it can be quite substantial as a simple
test shows:  At this latitude (42 degrees north), moving the dish by
hand from low on the western horizon to south takes olympic strength,
particularly when pushing at the mounting ring.

Why is it not common practice to counter-balance a big dish
so that the actuator has only inertia and friction to fight?  It seems
so simple.  Am I missing something?

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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:57:39 EST
From:         "Howard F Speight,jr" <ACHS@ECUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Sat Names

You must have been fishing the week that subject was being talked about!
Catch anything? ha ha ;}
From: hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Mixing Dish & Antenna Inputs to the TV
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:04:26 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1993Jan05.171709.18402@n8emr.cmhnet.org>, gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org (Gary Sanders) writes...
>In article <lkj2l8INNsgt@news.bbn.com> sher@bbn.com (Lawrence D. Sher) writes:
>>In article <199301042221.AA03730@proponent.com> Monty Solomon <monty@PROPONENT.COM> writes:
>>>> From: Michael_E_Weber.HENR01B@XEROX.COM
>>>>
>>Another solution: Radio Shack sells a $60 box called "Video Distribution
>>System."  It accepts broadcast, satellite, and VCR and puts out
>>broadcast on their normal channel numbers, satellite on ch. 65, and VCR
>>on channel 14, 15, or 16.  In effect, it makes you a cable head end, but
>>with only one dish.  The picture quality is excellent.  This box is a
>>simple and effective solution for me.
> 
>I had the RS box and found it to be junk. It accepts video/audio,
>on one port, RF channel 2/3 on the second and the 3rd passes broadcast
>TV 4-13VHF and 18-60UHF. I tried 4 or 5  of the units and never
>found one that would keep a stable signal. The low UHF CH14-16 were OK,
>but the high end CH65 was full unstable and full of noise.
>Stereo is not carried through on the video/audio or RF3 inputs but
>is on the standard TV channels.

Obviously, mileage will vary, but I've been using one of these for a while and
before that their earlier version that shifted three RF inputs to ch 70+.

Overall it works ok, but I do need to retune it every few months for best
results. I use it to feed TVRO (from the IRD's RF out) and the output of my
video switcher to remote TVs in the house. For non-critical viewing I find it
works ok. I do get some interference from offair ch 66 on the ch 65 signal.

I would not use it to feed my video projector however.

It is quite sensitive to the relative signal levels of the RF inputs, so may
need to pad those a little (the older one was worse in this respect,
particularly with the output of cable boxes).

FWIW, I got mine for $5 at a flea market, so shop around.

If you want better quality video, the next step up is the ChannelPlus series of
modulator/combiners. They are a lot more expensive however. They do have models
that modulate MTS stereo.

gary
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From: gilmore@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kevin Gilmore)
Subject: Leitch Decoders
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:03:32 GMT

Leitch decoders are much easier to build than you think. All you
need is the philips square pixel video chipset and some buffer ram.
I know someone who has modified a "soundblaster Videoblaster" board
and it works quite well. Trouble is you need a pc to watch tv, and
besides the window is a little too small. Philips makes a demo board
for about $700 that can be modified to do the same thing. Basic idea
is to wait for rising edge of horizontal retrace, sync up on the
color burst for that line read in the line into the buffer ram (one
entire page of ram needed) and then have the other end of the dual
port dump it out synced to a second unvarying clock. One of these
days when I have the time I'm gonna build one of these things...
From: grc@stl.stc.co.uk (Gary Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: BSB system conversion : HELP!
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:51:12
Organization: STC Technology Ltd., London Road, Harlow, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.3.130.15

Excuse my ignorance on this subject, but -

I have just got hold of an old BSB squarial receiver and dish. I read
on this newsgroup a while ago about some EPROM images that convert it
to a format that can pick up current MAC (D-MAC? D2-MAC?)
transmissions. Does anyone have this image they can send me ... and
also info on what else I must do. Also, must I use the squarial or can
I use my existing Astra dish ?

Thanks in advance for any help,

-grc.

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From: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: re: Uniden Questions
Keywords: Uniden 4800, Superguide
Reply-To: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:29:16 GMT

I have seen the ads for the Uniden 4800 and it sounds great. I
have a Uniden 9900, I think that's the model, and it has been
troublefree.

Kay Jones


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From:         Yaacov ben-yaacov <yaacov@BIMACS.CS.BIU.AC.IL>
Subject:      Schedules

Does anyone have or knowhow i can get
the t.v. schedules for
E.T. 1 (Greece)
Saudi Arabia 2
Dubai

if anyone can help me with this or refer me to someone i would
greatly appreciate it
thanks
                        Yaacov Ben-Yaacov
                        Internet : yaacov@bimacs.biu.ac.il
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:20:57 MST
From:         "Darwin L. Mecham W-7211 BD9A/752"
              <mecham@VANDAL.EBR.ANLW.ANL.GOV>
Subject: Re: Comparing IRDs and Dishes

Bill -

I looked at a dish made locally (Idaho Falls, ID.) and it seemed to have
all the others beat at the time ( about a year ago ).

It is made by Andersen Mfg. (208)523-6460, 3125 N Yellowstone Hwy. Idaho Falls,
ID. 83401.

I don't have one, the specs looked good.

Darwin
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Date:         Sun, 3 Jan 1993 15:04:18 PST
From:         James Willing <jimw@DARKSTAR.RAIN.COM>
Subject:      Re: Rocky Horror Picture Show
              93 10:44 pm

> I was over in WalMart today and noticed they had the Rocky Horror
> Picture Show for about $20. (If you don't know what it is, you
> probably don't WANT to know what it is :-).
>
> I wonder how everyone feels who bought it about 18 months ago for
> (what was it?) $69.95 when they said "absolutely only a one time
> sale not to be repeated for 5 (or was it 10) years...".
>
I bought the original release, and don't feel bad about it.  There was
additional stuff on that release that is NOT on this one!

> Since it's now on video (this is the first video I've EVER bought -
> I always wait for it to show up on satellite since I get just as
> good quality there (maybe better) than from pre-recorded tapes that
> I've seen at friends houses), I wonder if it will show up on HBO/SHOW/
> CINE/MOVIE sometime within the next few months?
>
..why wait?  If you want the quality, RHPS has also been released on
LaserDisk!!!  (apx. $40 retail)  I have the disc copy, and it has some
of the previously mentioned additional material (but not all) from the
original tape release, and is a very good transfer!  (although the reds
on the titles seem over-saturated).

> Do the TIMEWARP!
>
again!  (and again, and again...)

> - Bob Wier
>
-jim
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:09:31 -0500
From:         "MICHAEL KRAMER, TSUTC, (410) 830-2591" <E7L8KRA@TOWSONVX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Sat Names

>... The Satellite industry has opted to utilize the Jim Roberts plan.'
>They will be changing their format as follows;
>        C1 will be called F1
>        C3 will be called F3
>        C4 will be called F4
>        C5 will be called F5
>        F4 will be called F6

Please don't send flames...but could someone re-post the Jim Roberts plan.  It
would be good for everyone concerned if an updated list could be posted.

Thanks.

Michael Kramer
E7L8KRA@TOWSONVX
E7L8KRA@TOE.TOWSON.EDU
TOWSON STATE UNIVERSITY
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:23:18 -0500
From:         Monty Solomon <monty@PROPONENT.COM>
Subject:      Re: Comparing IRDs and Dishes

> From: Vijay Vaidyanathan <zycad!yoda!vijay@SUN.COM>
>

> For the feed horn and LNB (even though you didnt ask!) you should
> get a Chaparral Corotor 2+ ($100) and atleast 0.8 db KU LNB ($100)
> and 25 deg C Band LNB ($85 or close). If you are interested in
> picking up Intelsat broadcasts, consider the new Chapparal
> International Corotor: its about $200 though!

What are the differences between the Corotor II and the Corotor 2+?

Thanks.

Monty

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From: CC38@SDSUMUS.SDSTATE.EDU (Larry Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Mixing Dish & Antenna Inputs to the TV
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:03:40 GMT
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Herb,
What I have done is exactly that.  Only I took a 3 way splitter,
removed the guts, put in a straight piece of wire and then ran the
output to my line feeding my house.

I did have to put a 10 db amp on my line coming from the SAT receiver
and I put a 35 db RED HEAD on my antenna (s).  But this system feeds
the 5 outputs in my home.

It works great.  Yes, I do have a slight impedence mismatch, but it
is less than it would be if I were to use the 3 way splitter with
5 - 8 db of insertion loss.

Good Luck

Larry Peterson
Petersol@cc.sdstate.edu
From: terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter) 
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: CHANNELS
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:45:00 GMT
Reply-To: terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Outland BBS  UUPCB  403-475-9588

where did the hospital channel go, it was aon Spacenet 1, channel 7/8/9
I think, where is it now, since S1 is off the air?

anyways.  I have a text file on the request PPV listings, since Request
has opened up to the dish owners, it will now be in SuperGuide and the
magazines (soon).  anyways, reply if you want me to post them!
                                                      
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From: jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen)
Subject: Texas Lottery
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:26:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

The Texas Lottery satellite feed can be found on G2/X13 at 9:59pm,
Wednesdays and Saturdays.  English is at 6.2MHz and Spanish is at
6.8MHz.

-- 
James B. Hansen                                  {sun,uunet}!convex!jhansen
CONVEX Computer Corporation                              jhansen@convex.com
3000 Waterview Parkway, P. O. Box 833851
Richardson, TX 75083-3851                              Phone: (214)497-4802
From: cmylod@nl.oracle.com (Colum Mylod)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: (no subject given)
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:29:59 GMT
Organization: Oracle Europe

In article <1993Jan6.130914.14643@inmos.co.uk>, gary@aragorn.inmos.co.uk (Gary Morton) writes:
|> In article <HOMESAT%93010516113421@VM1.NODAK.EDU> F60C038@SAKSU00.BITNET writes:
|> >Subject: R.S. / PPV
|> >
|> >    Can Sky TV (the British Sky Channel) be received from a location at
|> >46.46 East Longitude / 24.39 North Latitude ?
|> >
|> The footprint of the Astra satellite (positioned at 19 degrees East [of south])
|> only covers mainland Europe and the UK. I would imagine that there is little
|> chance of picking up any strength of signal from even the east coast of the
|> US.

The 2 Astra birds have 4 separate footprints, one each for the 1A's & 1B's
horizontal & vertical transporters. The beams are directed to cover North and
Western Europe (including Ireland...) but do reach SW Europe if large dishes
are used. Large means bigger than 2 meters.

|> BTW the company is now called BSkyB. They provide the following channels
|> on Astra : Sky One ; Sky News ; Sky Sports (*) ; Sky Movies Plus (*); the
|> Movie Channel (*) ; Sky Movies Gold (*). [I've got the names of at least
|> one of the movie channels wrong]. The channels marked with (*) are
|> videocrypt encoded and are available in the UK *only*, by subscription.
and Ireland legally, but as anyone who's been to Spain or the Canary Islands
(off Africa, so Astra does reach beyond Europe & Asia) will verify, the decoders
and smart cards do travel well.
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:24:17 -0500
From:         Monty Solomon <monty@PROPONENT.COM>
Subject:      Re: Opinions wanted on Monterey 90/95

> Rumor has it that a local dealer here has said there are quite a few
> 'bugs' with the Monterey 90/95 and is telling customers to wait for the
> next version.  How do owners of this model feel about this?  Have you
> experienced any problems with your Monte you'd like to share?

The RF input will not pass cable channels.

The remote has poor ergonomics.

There is insufficent memory for favorite channels, programming, and other
database changes.

No S-video inputs or outputs.

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# monty%roscom@think.com
From: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Where is SCOLA?
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:48:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.C0E18J.GJH
Reply-To: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


       I have been away for a couple of weeks and cannot find SCOLA at S1/24.
Where is that moved to?


K. Sankara Rao                          e-mail k.srao@power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu

Department of Electrical Engineering
Fargo, ND 58105  USA

Phone:  (701)237-7217  (o)
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:34:08 MST
From:         Bob Wier <rrw@SUNSET.CSE.NAU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Rocky Horror Picture Show
              Show" (Jan  3,  3:04pm)

 Jim - Havn't watched the tape all the way thru yet, they do have some
 of the usual theater goings on at the beginning (don't know if they
 have anything at the end).

 I didn't know it was out on LD - darn! sure have to think about buying
 one of those sometime.  Which model do you have and would you recommend
 it?

 So it sounds like maybe the original tape was worthwhile afterall.
 I can't remember exactly how long it ran. Did they make it exactly
 two hours, or did they use a longer tape.

 I never did belive that there wouldn't be another release for 5
 years - there was too big a market.  Sudden thought - this one is
 from FOX Video - was that the same as yours? I wonder if Fox bought
 the rights to it?

 THANKS

- Bob Wier

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From: steve@dmntor.UUCP (Steve Pozgaj)
Subject: Info Wanted re. Satellite Issues in Spain (once again)
Organization: Digital Media Networks, Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:09:38 GMT

Back in July I asked this question ... and have yet to receive a single
response.  I can't believe that on this net:-)  Must have been a news
daemon problem:-)  So, allow me to try again ...

Given that I can get satellite signal to Europe, and that I have a
distribution channel for dishes/receivers there ... I'm trying to
find out about local installation issues in Spain.  Specifically:

	-how does the "installation game" work?  is it like North America,
	 where a whole wad of local guys take cross-assignments from
	 larger national organizations, as well as do direct work?
	-who are the larger national service outfits?
	-are any US/Canadian service providers expanding there?
	-what are the local ordinance issues like re. dish install?
	-what type of costs are involved for "standard" (90cm) dish work?

Any help with these issues would be greatly appreciated.
-- 
Steve Pozgaj (signature in postmark; cute remarks in comics section)
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:11:34 -0600
From:         F60C038@SAKSU00.BITNET

Subject: R.S. / PPV

    How do Renewable Secrurity and Pay Per View work ? Would it be implemented
in the World-Wide Satellite TV market ?

    Can Sky TV (the British Sky Channel) be received from a location at
46.46 East Longitude / 24.39 North Latitude ?

    If yes where does one aim him antenna ?
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From: russ@prism.gatech.EDU (Russell Shackelford)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Uniden Questions
Keywords: Uniden 4800, Superguide
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:54:44 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology



I have no firsthand knowledge of this unit (or of any other), but I
have been calling around trying to choose a unit for myself.  2 of
the  folks I've talked to said that the 4800 was a bit buggy... they
got lotsa calls from folks who couldn't quite get it to work right, etc.
They weren't sure whether to fault to technical side of the product,
or just the human-factors side of it's design, but they suggested
waiting for either (a) the unit that will FOLLOW the 4800 or (b)
a stand-alone superguide box...

russ