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From: ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Stainless Steel Rat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Mistake at beginning of T2
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:55:59 GMT
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Reply-To: ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Rich Pieri)
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In-reply-to: thssapk@iitmax.iit.edu's message of 8 Apr 92 02:57:14 GMT
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>>>>> On 8 Apr 92 02:57:14 GMT, thssapk@iitmax.iit.edu (Al Kwiatkowski) said:

>	I have a quick question.  Was the T1000 organic?  If not, how  
>could he be temporally diplaced.  I understood that the reason why no  
>weapons or clothes could be brought back from the future was that no  
>non-living stuff can be displaced (unless it was wrapped in living  
>tissue).  However, the T1000 seemed to be made entirely of liquid metal  
>(that is, no living tissue).  Is there an explanation for this apparent  
>discrepancy?

thssapk> This is yet another one of the 10,001 discrepancies, continuity
thssapk> errors, and mistakes that can be found in even *1* viewing of t2
thssapk> 8).  There have been several net explanations (read "blind
thssapk> rationalizations") for this, but the one I can buy into the most
thssapk> is that Reese probably didn't know shit about the time travel
thssapk> mechanism.  It was built by the machines, remember? after maybe
thssapk> trying to send a rock or something back in time and failing, the
thssapk> humans probably just assumed that only living tissue can go
thssapk> through; or maybe Reese just figured it out when he teleported in
thssapk> buck naked!!!

Come to think of it, Reese is just plain wrong. Evidence to wit: every time
the temporal displacement device is used, a spherical area in the target
time frame is swapped with whatever is in the device, organic or otherwise.
Support: visuals in both movies, where parts of a dumpster, semi-trailer,
pavement, etc., vanish from the ``now'' of the movies. Secondary support
from the novelization of T2, when Reese is sent back: ``Oddly, in its place
was a sphere filled with whirling debris: crushed beer cans, faded yellow
newspapers, dated 1984, and a slice of dumpster, filled with garbage from
that year.'' Obviously, *anything* may be displaced, not just living
things. Reese appeared in 1984 buck naked because he left 2029 in that
state :-).

--Rat

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From: lb2e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Louis Blair)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Asimov lost
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:10:11 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>The two of
>them had a agreement that each was to acknowledge the other
>as the SECOND best science fiction writer.

As I remember it the agreement was that Clarke was the
second best science writer and Asimov was the second best
science fiction writer.
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From: fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Capt. Frank A. Lauro)
Subject: Re: Buckaroo Banzai and the Watermelon
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 07:56:08 GMT

cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg) writes:

>In article <2102@transfer.stratus.com> adam@sw.stratus.com (Mark Adam) writes:
>>> >airplane, and eaten at their leisure.  That was why the watermelon was in the 
>>> >press - to see if it would burst.  (No explanation as to just how the damn
>>> >thing was supposed to be CUT......)
>>> 
>>
>>the concept was that the watermellon was engineered to withstand fantastic
>>pressures but still be vulnerable to shearing stress. in other words, once it was
>>safely on the ground the locals could come up and cut it with whatever was handy.

>So basically it was an experiment in non-Newtonian materials; it would get
>tough as nails when involved in a sudden impact, but would easily allow a
>slow impact to damage it (in this case, a knife cutting the rine).

Gee, did Team Banzai design the shields used in Herbert's DUNE?  =)
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From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
Subject: Re: The Blood of Heroes
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:07:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.002442.8249@sol.UVic.CA> gwebster@student.UVic.CA (Gord Webster) writes:
>In article <js8t3w@rpi.edu> cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg) writes:
>>Has anyone besides myself seen "The Blood of Heroes" with Rutger Hauer?
>
>If I had paid to see this movie, I would have been pissed off at the waste of
>money, but since my roommate rented it, it meerly was annoying.
>
>I thought it was cheesy and stupid. It was too bad, because I am a fan of 
>Rutger Hauer...
>
Even I agree the movie wasn't worth movie admission, but I first caught it on
cable, and I was watching it with my friend late at night, and it was a great
testosterone blow-out...  Basically we just sat around and waited for the 
violent parts and then cheered loudly.  The movie wasn't great, no argument
there, but sometimes it's the best thing to watch when you need to blow off
some steam...  :)  (BTW, I did pay $3.00 to rent it and make myself a copy...)

...Paul

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From: sabotkap@woods.ulowell.edu (Pete Sabotka)
Subject: Re: Wanted: T2 GIFs --> Arnold and Linda GIFs
Organization: University of Lowell
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:25:39 GMT

In article <hq7t2ha@rpi.edu>, cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg) writes:
>>   Since we are talking about T2, can any of you tell me what FTP sites
>>have Terminator 2  GIFs?   A friend of mine wants some Arnold and Linda
>>Hamilton GIFs...If you do have the sites, can you list the FTP Site Numbers?
> 
> I have a huge SVGA GIF (256 colors, something like 768 pixels by 500+) of
> Arnie, who's half robot and half Arnie (left/right).  I think it was a promo
> type pick, and it has T [picture in middle] 2 on it.  I don't remember where 
> I got it, but I could try to uuencode the thing or whatnot and post it.  It
> is a MAJOR file, though.  360k or so, as a GIF.
> 

what exactly is a GIF?

pete
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From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Subject: Re: alien through faceshield
Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 01:29:43 GMT

kash1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz(Kemp Ashby) writes:

>Yes, in ALIEN the facehugger burned its way through Kane's faceplate.
>Further to this, why didn't the facehugger Ripley was holding off of her face
>in the medlab in ALIENS simply secrete a minute amount of acid onto her hands?
>That would have made her let go in a hurry!

How intelligent would you rate your average f'ugger?
How intelligent is a penis?

The f'ugger is pretty much a mobile sexual organ.  By nature, it doesn't
wish to damage the host.  The acid could cut through Ripley's hands, but
it could also cause severe bleeding, resulting in death, or cause a form
of blood poisoning, with the same result, prior to incubation.

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From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Asimov lost
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.movies
Reply-To: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:23:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.084609.196649@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@zeus.calpoly.edu (James T. Green) writes:
:r0th@midway.uchicago.edu speakith unto us:
:>In article <1992Apr6.193843.5816@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Hurley) writes:
:>
:>>Isaac Asimov died this morning , April 6, 1992 A.D.
:>>Who's left?
:>
:
:Arthur C. Clarke of the infamous Asimov/Clarke Axis.  The two of

Ray Bradbury is still around.  While I don't consider him a hard SF writer,
his writing still consists of a mixture of sf, horror, fantasy, and
other.

But you are right - what other 40s and 50s SF writers are still around?
I believe Simak is gone, and Heinlein has been gone a year or two now.
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From: uslave@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (KJS @ucsb.mcl)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Jennifer Connelly (is this really r.a.sf.m???)
Keywords: Jennifer Connelly
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:51:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: mcl.uslave.702708665

In <1992Apr7.185934.3078@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> duelge@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jason Duelge) writes:

>I like JC as much as the next guy, but when i find 9
>articles to read in r.a.sf.m, and EIGHT of them are
>about whether JC showed flesh in this or that movie,
>i start to scratch my head.  Enough already!!!

Wrong group...you're thinking of r.a.m...

>ps  Did she appear in a movie called 'Seven minutes in
>Heaven' or something like that.  :)

Yup, truly a horrid movie...:-)


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From: stevea@jab.tucson.az.us (Steve Albany)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: The Blood of Heroes
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:10:40 GMT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg) writes:

> Has anyone besides myself seen "The Blood of Heroes" with Rutger Hauer?
> 
> Do any of the above people actually like it?
> 
> Does anyone think the sport of "Jugging" would be a really cool replacement
> for Monday Night Football?
> 
> ...Paul  (Thought this place needed a new kind of message besides "X vs. X"
>           and "I hate X vs. X message" messages...)
> 
> |FQT 1.10| Do not Disturb.  Already Disturbed.

        Yeah, I saw it. I wasn't too terribly impressed, but it was a decent 
film.. Better than any number of David Caradine's numerous post-holocaust 
films..


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From: jtisdel@digi.lonestar.org (Michael Tisdel)
Subject: Re: War of the worlds
Summary: 8-)
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:37:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.085044.6196@engage.pko.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free) writes:
>In article <1862@transfer.stratus.com>, jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes...
>
>} In article <9204030852.AA00608@is1.vub.ac.be> jqdoumen@vub.ac.be (Doumen Jan) writes:
>

Sylvia!
Sylvia!



sorry.  couldn't resist. 8)

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From: stoodt@cis.umassd.edu (Michael Stoodt)
Subject: Re: Asimov lost
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:41:41 GMT

In <1992Apr08.084609.196649@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@zeus.calpoly.edu (James T. Green) writes:

>Arthur C. Clarke of the infamous Asimov/Clarke Axis.  The two of
>them had a agreement that each was to acknowledge the other
>as the SECOND best science fiction writer.  I would bet that 
>ACC will probably make some kind of public statement.  If anyone 
>sees it, please post it.

Clarke was interviewed on NPR's All Things Considered on Monday.
Topics included Asimov's reaction to HAL's homicidal tendencies in
2001 compared to the Laws of Robotics (I believe it was "stomping out
of the theater")...

             Michael Stoodt
From: tomw@latchup.ucsb.edu (Tom Weinstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: T2: that's not a plot hole!
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:21:39 GMT
Reply-To: tomw@bears.ece.ucsb.edu
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.
In-reply-to: u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au's message of 17 Apr 92 06:36:25 GMT

In article <u906789.703492585@bruny>, u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner) writes:
> jaufrecht@pomona.claremont.edu writes:

>>   Unfortunately, for marketing reasons the fact the Arnold was the
>>good guy was publicized, and this plot twist was somewhat obscured.
>>Sigh.  But give Cameron a little more credit; without prior knowledge,
>>the mall scene in which Arnold saves John would have been _really_
>>cool.

> Yeah, i agree.

It was.  I managed to avoid seeing ANY ads for T2 before it came out.
The mall scene was very cool.

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From: daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao)
Subject: question about music from Solaris
Originator: daveshao@leland.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 02:05:23 GMT

Could someone tell me what is the opening music to Tarkovsky's
Solaris?  I think the music was written by Bach.


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From: sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson at TJ's University)
Subject: Re: Stupid Threads
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:58:34 GMT

I'm with Scott (to whom all flames should be directed). Enough
Batman vs. Bart Simpson vs. Mighty Mouse vs. Queen Alien. Back
to our regularly scheduled newsgroup.

Steve
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From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Batman vs. Spiderman
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:38:09 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


 >AAARRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH...........................what the hell is
 >this geekworld international.  These stupid x vs y threads are
 >driving me nuts.
 >
 >What I propose is that we create a thread on the horrible things
 >we could do to the people who continue to post on this.
 >
 >Here are my suggestions
 >
 >-Take one of those geekoids, strip him/her naked , tie them up 
 >and throw them head first in to the mosh pit at a janes addiction
 >concert. 
 >
 >-Take one of those geeks and tie about 100 cats to their body
 >and throw them into a swimming pool.
 >
 >At least that is what I would like to do to one of those
 >geeks that keep posting on these stupid threads if I could 
 >get my hands on them.
 >
 >craiga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Craig R Albrechtson)

we love you too, craig!  i thought the one about ewoks vs. smurfs
was pretty funny.  and if i hadn't, i WOULD HAVE PRESSED THE 'n' KEY!!

but then, such simple solutions to aggravating problems
are apparently beyond your grasp.  obviously you expect all mankind
to *always* post articles into the "proper" newsgroup,
even articles which are impossible to classify.  too bad.

ok
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From: wbruvold@weber.ucsd.edu (William Bruvold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The whole damn saga (was RE:1st post)
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:33:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: network.ska99INNfca
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Apr16.144632.9207@acsu.buffalo.edu> v076rtlz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Howard M Green) writes:
>Responding to the question of the first and last three episodes of the nine part
>saga, and Lucas' plans to make them into movies,
>


Wow! lots of traffic and fun postings!!!  :-)

>	Anyway, if the next Star Wars film did get made, would the public accept
>it so well.  When it was released, it would be more than a decade since the last
>"Star Wars".  COuld they spark enough interest to get the kind of bo returns of
>the original trilogy, as SW is far from current.  The other problem is that I 
>think that fans of the old series would be dissapointed in the new.  For one 
>thing, I think many people would clamor for Luke and Han and Leah, the familiar
>heros, fighting ol' Darth Vader again.  Especially since we know the rest of 
>the story.  Star Wars was unique, amoung other reasons, for introducing us to 
>the story in the middle, and slowly revealing events in the characters' past.
>That was something that kept us in suspence.  I know that Vader was Luke's 
>father, and Leah was Luke's sister, and I don't want to wait for three movies
>oevr a period of another ten years, just to pay money merely to see these events

As I understand it the human characters (well at least Luke, Hans,
and Leah) won't be in episodes 1-3 since it concerns the fall of the
republic and the rise of the empire.  My guess is that it will be
more "political" than "action" oreinted and a real question is will
it work.  SF as an art form in the movies has never doen a great job
in moving from great "grab the blaster and get the monster" sorts of
movies to more "slow" moving political/moral sorts of stories.  
I am totally convinced (flame catcher on*** :-) ) that without lots
of screen writing help Lucas can't write such a story.  Think about
the relative strength of TESB and ROTJ in plot development.  The
scenes with the teddy bears in ROTJ are down right stupid and the
 philosophy from
"ernie"- (read  yoda) was laughable.  
***flame catcher off******


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From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: Excuse me for my ignorance...(SWRPG)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:00:41 GMT

RE: TK421 Trivia

I seem to remember that somewhere in the first SW, one of the Imperials
was called THX1138.  Does anyone remember this?  THX1138 was, of course, 
the name of Lucas' first sci-fi film, as well as the hero's name.  Was
it a young Robert Duvall?

--Haridas
From: v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Keeping up with the Lars'
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:12:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr16.041847.23213@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (ronald reagan) writes...
>Before this newsgroup began there was some debate on rec.arts.sf.movies as to
>how "Uncle" Owen and "Aunt" Beru were related to Luke...I don't know if this
>was suggested or not, but, it seems entirely likely that Beru could've been
>Annakin's sister...So, then she gets married to this Owen Lars loser and
>changes her surname (remember, this IS a long time ago!)...
> 
In the ROTJ novelization, Obi-Wan states that Owen was his 
brother, taking care of Luke as protector until he would leave to 
save the galaxy.
                                 George
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From: joshuali@sal-sun79.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The last *ever* one was in Portland (was Re: Film Fests)
Date: 16 Apr 1992 16:00:38 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: joshuali@sal-sun79.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun79.usc.edu


	Sorry pal, they had one of those "see it for the last time in the 
	theater" deals here in LA also.
	
	YES it is true that EMPIRE and JEDI are being pulled from circulation
	but the first is NOT.
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From: rzimeri@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rich P Zimering)
Subject: Re: Keeping up with the Lars'
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:50:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.041847.23213@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (
ronald reagan) writes:
>Before this newsgroup began there was some debate on rec.arts.sf.movies as to
>how "Uncle" Owen and "Aunt" Beru were related to Luke...I don't know if this
>was suggested or not, but, it seems entirely likely that Beru could've been
>Annakin's sister...So, then she gets married to this Owen Lars loser and
>changes her surname (remember, this IS a long time ago!)...
>
>--
>
>
>ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu                            andy
>

Its interesting how easily you accept the idea that the woman drops her name 
when she gets married.  For all you know, in this galaxy far far away, they 
pick new names.  Americans expect people everywhere to be just like them, and 
it is well to remind them that this is an untrue fact.
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Which one of the trilogy you like most?
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:12:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr16.052158.7068@athena.mit.edu> pckyip@athena.mit.edu (Patrick C Yip) writes:
>The Subject line says it. STAR WARS, THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and THE RETURN
>OF THE JEDI, which one you like most?

>Personally I like TESB the best, just because it's 'dark' enough, not the
>happy-happy-all-the-bad-guys-got-wiped-out kind of ending.

I agree.  Definitely had the best soundtrack.

'Return' was my least favorite of the three.


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