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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:10:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct5.071027.25468
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <aidler.718259472@sanjuan> aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:
>The school adminstration and the mental health 
>personnel suggested Ritalin to "manage his condition."
>My wife rejected this solution because of her
>preference for "non-traditional medicine."

Ah, there's nothing like mother love, no matter how stupid.

>A local naturopath diagnosed my son with allergies
>to 49 different foods, everything from chicken to 
>broccoli.

Snort.  Why didn't you examine the entrails of a pig?
That's about as meaningful as that crap is.

>We chose to innoculate him against the
>basic items, eg., alcohol (in fruit and vegetables) 

?Alcohol?   "Inoculate him against alcohol???"  "Inoculate him against
alcohol in fruits and vegetables?????"  No one could make such nonsense
up, if they tried.

>and wheat, etc., and eliminate some of the more exotic
>foods, like almonds, from his diet.
>Because he could not be de-sensitised against food 
>additives, we never eat at restaurants and read labels
>*very thoroughly*.

Yes, well, it must be nice to feel like you're doing something.
Even if it's not doing anything for the poor kid.

>The allergy treatments, modified diet, forbidding him to
>watch violence on T.V., and more rigid routine at school 
>and home has allowed my son to make some progress in 
>controlling his own behavior without the possible
>side-effects of Ritalin.

Tell me: what possible side-effects of Ritalin are you worried about?
It wasn't even tried, I take it.

You don't happen to be a Scientologist, do you?  It wouldn't surprise me
from the rest of this article of yours.

>I don't know whether he will ever reach the point where 
>he will be able to participate in a regular classroom.

Or perhaps achieve his potential.  But there's nothing wrong with being
stigmatized as someone with a "behavior problem" all thru life, is
there?

>I empathize with parents efforts to manage an ADD child
>within their family.  Providing for my son's care has 
>taken concerted effort from my wife (a full-time mother), 
>myself, his two younger sisters, and our school district.

Goodness knows what would be left to do if he weren't the focus of your
attention.

>For families with less resources (time) to contain one of 
>these children, perhaps Ritalin is more appropriate treatment.

And undoubtedly more effective.  I pity your son and your family, and what
you've put them all though with your doctrinaire rigidity based on
self-satisfied know-nothing ignorance.  You're no better than Christian
Scientists who fail to take their child to a doctor when he or she has
a bowel obstruction.  "Naturopaths", "allergies" and "inoculations",
indeed.  Feh!


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: beth@col.hp.com (Beth Vail Jones)
Subject: Re: Episiotomy and Canadian study
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:51:06 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.142821.23379@sq.com> barb@sq.com (Barbara Burrows) writes:
> >
> >Wow! Ow!  I also had a forceps delivery and an episiotomy (how many stitches
> >I asked?  
> 
> ... I do remember reading one delivery account from
> a woman who had an emergency foreceps assist with no time for any
> medication--she passed out from pain.  Shudder.

Lest all our pregnant friends faint from fright at the thought of a forceps
delivery, let me share a different experience.

My first child was born using forceps - I don't know whether it was
upper/lower/or mid but Ben was really stuck.  The doctor used an
incredibly long, very fine needle to administer some kind of local
anesthetic (no epidural or other medication).  Then he cut a whopping
episiotomy (which I didn't feel), and pried Ben out.  It was quite
painful for about 10 seconds (maybe), while the baby was actually
exiting.  I believe I screamed once or twice, but it was over with very
quickly.  The silly nurse asked if I had a cramp in my leg!

I didn't feel the stitching going on, the episiotomy was not a big
problem afterwards, and having my baby in my arms made me feel a whole
lot better.

While I waited for the doctor to finish stitching me, I asked him if the
forceps were what made the birth so painful.  He said that without
forceps, the birth canal is stretched more gradually, and not all at
once as happened with the quick forceps delivery.

Ben ended up with a teeny-tiny bruise on one shoulder; the bruise
faded in about a day.

Beth Jones
From: cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names - nicknames
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:07:03 GMT
Reply-To: cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper)
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD


I have nothing against nicknames, but it can get complicated.
My brother has identical twin girls, and their names are
Christina and Alexandria.  Their mom calls them Christa and Alexa,
and everyone else calls them Chris and Alex, whew!

				       Lynn Cooper
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: barb@sq.com (Barbara Burrows)
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up"  (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:52:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.005322.21451@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca> marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson) writes:
>In a recent misc.kids article, paula@helix.nih.gov (Paula Moore) wrote:
>>
>>For me it was getting perscription sunglasses that signified that I was
>>a "grown-up" - though I still don't always act it (do any of us?)
>>
>>Anyone else have these "I guess this means I'm a "grown-up" " experiences?
>>
>Yep. Jury duty.
>

For me it was four years ago when we watched my wonderful mother-in-law die
day-by-day and then handled (my husband is the only child) all of the funeral
arrangements....choosing coffins, clothing, service, etc.  We dealt with
anger, sorrow, fatique....and the dawning realization that we were the "next"
generation.  Up until that moment....whenever (very rarely thank God) there
was a death in the family...our parents would handle everything.  With the
death of a parent you realize you're up next.

Sorry, for the depressing Monday addition to the "grown-up" experiences.
But that was it for me.

					|
Barbara					|  A ship in harbor is safe -
					|  But that's not what ships 
					|  were built for.
					|
From: lehr@futserv.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: orthopedic pediatrician
Keywords: leg braces
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:16:56 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin
Originator: lehr@jan.austin.ibm.com


Hi,

Forgive if this appears twice.

It has been recommended that a toddler (20 months) wear
leg braces to correct improper bone growth.   I have
two questions regarding this:

1) I'd like a second opinion.  If you know of an orthopedic
pediatrician in the Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio area
whom you would recommend, I would appreciate your message.

2) I am interested in hearing experiences one may have had with
young children who have had to wear leg/body braces.  Any form
of experience you feel comfortable relating would be appreciated
(including any arm chair psychological interpretions).  

Regards,

Ted Lehr

-- 
Ted Lehr                         "...my thoughts, opinions and questions..."
Advanced Workstations Division, IBM
Austin, TX  78758
phone: 512 - 838 - 8039
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Reply-To: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:48:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.160918.12999@engage.pko.dec.com>  
pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:

[deleted stuff about how to motivate a 4 year old to be a brilliant  
professional]

May I recommend a book?  <Owliver>; can't recall author, but it's on the  
early childhood shelf at the library.  Same  illustrator as <Whose Mouse Are  
You?>

Owliver's mother is she he'll be a great artist or actor and buys him all  
kinds of paint, art and music toys.  Owliver's father is sure he'll be a  
great doctor or lawyer and buys him doctor toys, etc.

Owliver grows up to be a firefighter.

It's a kids' book for parents.
From: daf@bbn.com (David A Fagan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Gastric Reflux in 1-month old boy
Followup-To: misc.kids
Date: 28 Sep 1992 15:30:55 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

Greetings,
I'm looking for anyone out there who has experience with Gastric Reflux.

Gastric Reflux is a condition in infants where the sphincter at the end of
the
esophagus which leads into the stomache doesn't always close correctly &
baby
is constantly bringing up food. Projectile vomiting is not uncommon.

Our one-month old (born 3 weeks early) seems to have it & is miserable
around
the clock. He was fine for the first two weeks, but since then, his
appetite
picked up & he's had extreme distress around eating times. First we thought
it
was colic, now we wish it was. Yes, it's that bad - we wish it was just
colic!
He whines, kicks, arches his back & rolls  his head around. At least he
hasn't
vomited too much.

He always seems hungry, because he can never get down enough formula to
satisfy
himself before it starts coming back up again. 

We've tried about 5 different varieties of formula (yes, he's a bottle
baby),
and have  found Alimentum (5$/qt!) brings mild relief (and voluminous
diarhea).
He sleeps with his head raised, so gravity can help keep the stuff down.
Simethicone drops make little difference if any.

We're about to try soy formula with rice cereal added to thicken it &
hopefully
make it stay down better.

The interventionist route is for the Dr's to have him drink barium & do
xrays
to study the effects of various drugs & also make sure there's not an
obstruction. The drugs involved here are known to have side-effects - I
don't
know what they are yet. We have no intention of going this route until
we've
given him a few months to grow out of it. Then again, our neighbor's little
girl, had it & didn't grow out of it for *10* months!

If any other net.parents have dealt with this, I'd like to hear about it.
What
works? How long did it last? How bad are the drugs?

David


David A. Fagan                BBN Systems & Technologies
daf@bbn.com                   10 Moulton St.
(617) 873-3246                Cambridge, MA 02138
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters)
Subject: Re: Experiments
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:07:49 GMT

In article <5595@ssc-bee.ssc-vax.boeing.com> celia@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Celia H Modell) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.121543.16643@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, leeba@mot.com (Leeba Salzman) writes:
>> really was, she was amazed.  I'm looking for some more "physical science"
>> type experiments, appropriate for a 5 yo, which can be done without special 
>> equipment.  (e.g. candle in jar to show oxygen) 
>> I will summarize e-mail responses if there are any.
>

Well, laugh if you will, but I got fed up watching the AM news -- I just
didn't want to start my day that way.  Now I watch Mr. Wizard's World
on NICK in the Morning.  Goofy?  You bet.  But he always has informative
experiments -- many geared towards younger kids -- and he is as soothing
the the psyche as Mr. Rodgers :-).

Check it out.  I'll bet you will find Supermarket Science the best section--
all experiments that can be done with common household items (baking soda
and vinegar to form a foaming cascade, for example)
    
I see it here on the East Coast from 6 to 6:30 AM.  With a VCR you can time
shift it to either when you can watch, absorb, and plan *or* to when you and
your child cn watch it together.


--
--Mary Anne  
"What we have once enjoyed and deeply loved we can never lose, for all
that we love deeply becomes a part of us."  Helen Keller
                                                 [for Alexander]
From: pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:09:18 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA

We have a 4 years old daughter who is really bright.  Her preschool
teacher, an elderly lady, told us that in her many decades of
experience as a preschool teacher, she has only met two preschoolers
this bright.  No need to say that we have great hope for her.
Maybe, we think, she will become a great lawyer upholding the rights
and the liberty for many; or at least, she can be a doctor relieving
the pains and the sufferings of the sick.  

Then, a few weeks ago, I took her to the doctor for her regular
checkup.  On our way back, I asked her: "Do you want to be a
doctor when you grow up?"  Her answer shocked me.  "No," she said
"I want to get married."  "But you can be a doctor and get married
too" I tried to tell her that there is really no conflict here.
"No," she said "I want to be a mom and have kids."  "But you can
be a mom, have kids, and be a doctor at the same time." I was trying
my best to explain to her.  "No," her voice became lauder "I don't
want to be a doctor.  I want to get married when I grow up."

I have no idea where she picked up that concept.  Knowing its
implied message, we have banned "Little Mermaid" video tape from
our household.  Instead, we read her books like "Doctor Hilda made
the house call" and the likes.  Whenever possible, we always find
her a female pediatrician in the hope that she has a good role model.
But despite all of these conscious efforts on our part, she 
obviously picked up some other ideas.  Apparently she watched
the "Little Mermaid" at the school for she sometimes told us
about that story and asked us buy her that tape.  We have told
her many times that Ariel is not really a good girl because she
only wants to play but does not want to study and do some useful
things.  I guess we have yet to get our message across.

Any suggestion for us to turn the things around?  


Regards,
-- 
-- Publius
Disclaimer: These opinions are mine, all mine, mine alone.
From: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:14:45 GMT
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH

<1992Oct5.201834.21680@dptg.att.com>
Reply-To: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH

In article <1992Oct5.201834.21680@dptg.att.com> reg@dptg.att.com
(51351[efw]-Regina Mackiewicz(MT4799)1374MT) writes:
>
>it's amazing what happened to a lot of immigrant names once they
>passed through Ellis Island.
>
>reg

My father and mother were born in Poland.  When their families
passed through Ellis Island, (so the story goes), part of my
father's family was effectively "renamed" because the immigration
officials were tired of trying to spell, "Buraczenski" (my maiden
name).  Unfortunately, the families never re-established contact
with the "Murphy" side of the clan.


-- 
Paulette Leeper                               paulette.leeper@daytonOH.NCR.COM
NCR Corporate Data Planning & Admin              ...!uunet!ncrcom!wtcp!pleeper
++++++++++++++++513-445-6289   VP 622-6289   FAX 513-445-2468+++++++++++++++++
From: jsw@cray.com (Jon S. Wood)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Remote (Taxpayer) Wallets vs. the Ovarian Nurturer
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:07:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <1992Sep26.062058.6404@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.155912.8637@ll.mit.edu>, yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep13.232121.6139@pensoft.uucp> jac@pensoft.uucp (James A. Carter) writes:
>> >
>
>If you think kids are too expensive a hobby, maybe you should have
>gotten a cat.
>
>Kate Perkins


  If you think the company you work for should provide you with
maternity leave, maybe you should have gotten a cat.


Jon
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup)
Subject: Re: Experiments
Organization: Motorola, Inc. Plantation, FL
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:26:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.121543.16643@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, leeba@mot.com (Leeba Salzman) writes:
> 
> Last week I did an experiment with my daughter.  (She had told me that
> a glass had "100 drops" in it and she knows what 100 is.)  We took an
> eye dropper and squeezed out 100 drops.  When she saw how little that
> really was, she was amazed.  I'm looking for some more "physical science"
> type experiments, appropriate for a 5 yo, which can be done without special 
> equipment.  (e.g. candle in jar to show oxygen) 
> 
>  
> Thanx in advance,
> I will summarize e-mail responses if there are any.
> 
> 
 This is an easy experiment -

Fill one container with hot water (not too hot to stick your hand into),
one with cold water, and one with lukewarm (room temp) water. Have your 
daughter hold one hand in the hot water and the other in the cold water for
a few minutes. Then - stick BOTH hands into the lukewarm water. VOILA -
the lukewarm water will "feel" cold on the hand that was in the hot water
but will "feel" hot on the hand that was in the cold water!

This teaches her that the terms "cold" and "hot" are relative. I tried it
with some 1st graders when I was in college (I participated in an
enrichment program for grade school kids) and they loved it! Every one had
to try it! [I had to try it, too!  ;-)  ]

Have fun!

|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Mary Beth Northrup                    "In the house and on the street .. |
| (mommy to Sean, 15 mo.)																	how many, many feet you meet!"   |
| EMN002@email.mot.com                                   ---  Dr. Seuss    |
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Episiotomy and Canadian study
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:25:42 GMT

I found an article entitles Epidural anesthesia, episiotomy, and
obstetric laceration.  in Obstetrics and Gynecology vol 77,
issue 5, pages 668-671 for 1991.  The abstracts says:

The relationships among epidural anesthesia, forcept use,
parity, episiotomy, and laceration were studies in 9493 uncomplicated
vertex deliveries of spontaneous onset and normal course.  The use
of epidural anesthesia was not associated with an increased incidence
of severity of birth-canal trauma.  Episiotomy was associated
with a decreased rate of perineal laceration, but an overall increase
in the rate of perineal trauma.  The trauma that did occur with 
episiotomies was four times more likely to be major than that when
no episiotomy was performed.  

The authors are from Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto, Canada.

I had a forceps delivery, no epidural, with an episiotomy and
ended up with a fourth degree laceration.  Hope this
information helps, if I see anything else I will
pass it along.

Cathryn W. Chiesa
cew@med.unc.edu
From: irikura@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: RE:  Creative Playthings
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:06:36 GMT
Organization: NIST

Creative Playthings seems to be defunct, but a company with a similar
name DOES exist:
>
>Here's the address for Constructive Playthings
>
>1227 East 119th Street
>Grandview, MO  64030
>1-800-832-0572
>

Thanks to all those who resonded!

Karl
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman)
Subject: Re: Car Seats After an Accident
Organization: Rational Systems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:31:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.175841.26993@Csli.Stanford.EDU> olsen@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Diane Olsen) writes:

>I agree that you don't want to use such a device after it's been in
>an accident, but instead of throwing the thing away, I'd favor 
>calling or writing the company to (1) thank them for saving my loved
>one's life (if I worked at a car seat company and someone sent me a 
>snapshot of a kid whose life my company had saved, I think it would make
>my YEAR, let alone my day) and (2) ask if there's someplace you can send 
>the thing for recycling.  (All right, I'm not sure I'd do this for just a 
>seat belt....)

Yes, wonderful idea.

Gerald Ruderman                                   geraldr@ratsys.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: table corner guards??
Reply-To: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:23:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.013029.5449@Princeton.EDU>  
smaxwell@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Sara Maxwell) writes:

> I have heard that they make some sort of cover or guard that you can put
> on sharp table corners etc so little toddlers do not whap their heads.

Cut a triangular hole in an old tennis ball.   Tape it to the corner of the  
table with duct tape.  Don't even think about how you're going to get all  
that gooey adhesive off the table later on.

Does anybody know how to remove duct tape glue?
From: gill@castle.ed.ac.uk (G B Law)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get son more career-minded? :-) :-)
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:14:26 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <KAYVAN.92Sep29133224@satyr.Rational.COM> kayvan@satyr.Rational.COM (Kayvan Sylvan) writes:

>She's going to be the president of the United States. (I can hope!!
>Maybe a woman president will set the right priorities...)
>| Kayvan Sylvan, Expert Support, Consulting for Rational, C++ Development     |


I wouldn't bank on a woman having the right priorities as a matter of
course.

Look at the problems we've got over Britain thanks to the legacy of
"THAT woman".
Ugh!

Gill


-- 
gill@uk.ac.ed.castle  Edinburgh University Computing Service

   This message was a " Reeves & Mortimer " product. 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Dan Breslau)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:20:29 GMT

pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper) writes:

><1992Sep28.160918.12999@engage.pko.dec.com>
>Sender: 
>Reply-To: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
>Followup-To: 
>Distribution: 
>Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH
>Keywords: 

>In article <1992Sep28.160918.12999@engage.pko.dec.com> pub@riscee.pko.dec.com
>(Publius) writes:

>>We have a 4 years old daughter who is really bright.  Her preschool
>>teacher, an elderly lady, told us that in her many decades of
>>experience as a preschool teacher, she has only met two preschoolers
>>this bright.  No need to say that we have great hope for her.
>>Maybe, we think, she will become a great lawyer upholding the rights
>>and the liberty for many; or at least, she can be a doctor relieving
>>the pains and the sufferings of the sick.  

>Or a great parent who raises happy, healthy children who have a high
>self-esteem.
>>
>>Then, a few weeks ago, I took her to the doctor for her regular
>>checkup.  On our way back, I asked her: "Do you want to be a
>>doctor when you grow up?"  Her answer shocked me.  "No," she said
>>"I want to get married."

>As I'm responding to this post, I am having a hard time trying
>to decide whether or not this is a hoax.  Why is it so shocking
>for a 4 YEAR OLD to respond in this way?  After all, this 
>discussion can not be equated with the college-aged 
>equivalent, "What do you want to major in?"  


Amen... and I must add that even 17 or 18 can be much too young
to make life decisions.  At that age, I was sure I was going to
become a lawyer -- today, I'm glad I'm not.

Let children be children!

Dan Breslau
dan@codex.com
Disc claimer:  "Hey!  That's my floppy!"

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