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From: kilcup@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Greg Kilcup)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: "Deep Throat", who was he?
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:30:49 GMT
Organization: Ohio State University; Physics Department
In-reply-to: t88_lars_e@maja.teknikum.uu.se's message of 6 Apr 92 00:11:44 GMT

Let me recommend the book

   *Silent Coup: the Removal of a President*
   by Robert Gettlin and Len Colodny,
   (New York: St. Martin's Press, 1991).
   Call number: E860.C635.1991

The authors make a strong case that "Deep Throat" was Al Haig,
and that Bob Woodward knew and briefed Haig when Woodward worked
in the Pentagon.  Woodward vehemently denies that he knew Haig,
and the Washington Post did its best to suppress the publicity
of the book.  However, the authors produced tape recorded interviews
with several Pentagon brass and Secretary of Defense Mel Laird
verifying that Woodard frequently briefed Haig.
This information goes a long way in explaining how such a junior
reporter was trusted by a high-level White House source.

I must say I have gotten used to the idea that we can't trust
people in power to tell the truth, but I am still depressed that
even the press will stoop to suppressing information if it is
damaging to one of their own.

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Greg Kilcup                   kilcup@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu
Asst. Prof. of Physics        kilcup@ohstpy.bitnet
The Ohio State University     (614) 292-3224
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From: jade.apisukh@f330.n363.z1.fidonet.org (jade apisukh)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: RFK shot in the back ?
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:02:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:363/330


 > If you wish I could post the story and the book details here.

Please do so.

later,
jade.

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From: t88_lars_e@maja.teknikum.uu.se (Pelle Hillberg)
Subject: "Deep Throat", who was he?
Organization: Uppsala Tech
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 00:11:44 GMT

Hi!
I've just finished reading "All the President's Men" by Woodward and Bernstein.
It was quite fascinating reading. Being born 1967, in Sweden, I
didn't know much about the Watergate burglary and it's consequences.
But now to the point. In the book, Woodward uses a "source" with codename "Deep
Throat". Was it ever revealed who he/she was? It must have been someone quite
high up in the current administration. W&B doesn't give many clues to whom he
might be. The only one mentioned in the book who was close to the president and
not (?) involved in the tapings etc. was Pat Buchanan.
Does anybody know more?

Lars-Erik Hillberg, Uppsala, Sweden
Email: t88_lars_e@maja.teknikum.uu.se
**All that glitters has a high refractive index***

From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:07:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Birch society says foreign aid costs americans jobs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy

it seems to me that a better idea might be to allow the private sector to 
provide foreign aid while the taxes collected from the American people are 
used for the benefit of the American people. Sure, there are starving people
all over the world but there are hungry Americans also. There are an 
increasing number of Americans on the street, lacking in medical insurance, 
jobs and so on. 

assuming that everyone has a personal budget, who are you going to take 
care of first: your own family or the neighbors. 

it has nothing to do with "letting the ni**ers starve because they are not 
American." (see prior post). It has to do with priorities. There are people
of all races starving right here! 

the reason for the government's foreign aid has nothing to do with 
humanitarianism. (Although a prior post had the essential idea: it sounds
good.) the reason for foreign aid is imperialism and geo-political control:
plain and simple! 

                                            -reykja


Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: ak574@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Choweller)
Subject: Re: Did American Troops Kill 3 Million Filipinos?
Reply-To: ak574@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Choweller)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 22:29:18 GMT


In a previous article, dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon) says:

>
>In a previous article, David.Choweller@bbs.oit.unc.edu (David Choweller) says:
>
>>
[deleted]
>
>I would suggest you take a look at Howard Zinn's _A people's history of the
>United States_ (Harper & Row, 1980) for some details. He quotes the Manila
>correspondent for the _Philadelphia Ledger_ writing in November 1901:
[etc.]

Thank you all for these and other excellent references; I'll have plenty
to read in the coming weeks.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
From: ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair)
Subject: Re: "Deep Throat", who was he?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:22:01 GMT

   People interested in this stuff may also want to look up a book by
Hougan called either SECRET AGENDA or HIDDEN AGENDA.  It also says the
Watergate break-in had purposes other than spying on democrats.
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Debating Holocaust Revisionists
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:14:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: cms.167C1BA2B.MEDELMA
Organization: Wayne State University

The proof of the holocaust does not rest upon the various ephemera
that the revisionsts are always trying to undermine, i.e., traces of
gases in walls, memos, conversations, that sort of thing. It rests
upon the eyewitness testimony of those who were there- like my neighbor-
and those thousands of Allied soldiers who liberated the camps. They
all saw it, and they tooks thousands of pictures and reels of film
of the human corpses, mass graves and the machinery of the holocasut.
 
I don't bother debating the idiots who show up on this list. They're
either too maniacal in their beliefs or too stupid to change. If you
want to counter the revisionists, don't waste your time here. Help keep
alive the memopry of the holocaust through education. And if you're
so inclined, send a few $$$ to organizations doing this education. But
debating the WInstons et al just makes them think they're worth arguing
with.
          mike edelman
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From: c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,sci.research,alt.activism
Subject: Quosue tandem, Ralphius Vinstonius, abutere patientia nostra?
Keywords: fascist lying slimeball
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:53:45 GMT
Organization: Teutonic Order

Would some of you, net.ladies, give a great big hug to that miserable
child named Ralph Winston ? Seems like he has seen a woman only in
pictures. Otherwise he would not write those racist, bigotic, pro-
fascist, lying hate writings. Or else he is just another fascist slimeball.

Einige lernen niemals. 

  ++ Tuomas Viljanen                     ++ For a battle like Crecy, you do  ++
  ++ Lahderanta 20 A 19                  ++ not need a military genius like  ++
  ++ SF-02720 Espoo 72 FINLAND           ++ Edward III. All you need is an   ++
  ++ 358-0-592175 or c34657b@saha.hut.fi ++ idiot like the Duke of Alencon.  ++
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Unauthorized Biography of George Bush: Part 1
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:35:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: cms.167CADB53.MEDELMA
Organization: Wayne State University

Why is it that these folks can't just say "I don't like the policies
of President <insert name here>"? Instead, they have to be dangerous
psychotics, paranoids, and so on.
 
Remember the Reagan horror? He was going to sell us down the road to
the fundamentalists, start WWIII and burn the number 666 into his
breast? Well, it didn't happen, so now Bush is the target.
 
I never cease to be amazed at how people smart enough to operate
a computer can still be so simple minded. Maybe that's the downside
of making computers easy to use.
 
          --mike
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: flip@wobble.uucp (Flip Breskin)
Subject: Re: RESPONSE: "Eyewitness Testimony" and Tatoos: Proof of "Holocaust?"
Organization: dlu UNIX Consultants
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:08:09 GMT
Keywords: nazi trash

kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:


>They have no "position" and care nothing for whatever anyone here may
>wish to say. They are recruiting, and what you think and say has no
>bearing on that whatsoever, nor will it ever. 

>The only valid response to these creeps is a clear demonstration of
>utter contempt. Anything less is a waste of time, and anything more is
>simply an amusement for their beady little minds.

>They have no "strong points" beyond one - you aren't taking them
>seriously, just as no-one took them seriously during the Thirties.
>They weren't concerned with facts back then, and they aren't REMOTELY
>concerned with facts now - facts will not prevent their recruiting
>efforts from succeeding.

Two thoughts.  One:  You are absolutely right that they are
recruiting.  It breaks my heart that they are permitted to do so on
the net.  No amount of refutation really fixes the fact that
they are recruiting.  It's good that we inform ourselves, but that is
not action against the recruitment.  Unplugging them would do that.
Where are the Zionist Thought Police when we need them?

Two: If we are watching for a return of the Nazis of the thirties,
will we miss what is really going on right now?  It is bound to be
different this time.  During times of economic collapse, scapegoating
(of any and everyone) is encouraged (covertly and later overtly) by
those in economic and political power.  Divide and conquer.  If we are
busy fighting each other, we'll miss the fact that we are being
manipulated.  This certainly seems to be the point in the cycle we are
currently experiencing.  

More thoughts: The activity being blanketed and buffered and
discouraged by attacking Jews is the potential activity of thinking
about what is *really* not working in our current economic and social
system, and taking steps together to correct it.

I have heard that the publications spreading (spewing) this
disinformation are paid for by patrons at the highest economic levels
in this country.  Does anyone have names?  I have also heard that many
of the vicious hate pamphlets distributed in Europe are printed right
here in the USA.

I predict that when some Jew gets terrified enough by the
holocaust-revisionism our net is being used to disseminate, and that
individual reacts without the most perfect of behavior, that person
(the terrified Jew) will be attacked with the same violence and lack
of thoughtfulness that the neo-Nazis keep provoking.

I believe Oregon has a hate-crimes law.  I would love assistance
finding out what it says, and if it can be applied appropriately here.  

Flip Breskin
"Anti-semitism is a knife at the throat of the working class" - Cherie Brown
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From: fingerhu@ircam.fr (Michel Fingerhut)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,soc.history,alt.discrimination,sci.research,alt.activism
Subject: Re: "Inside the Auschwitz 'Gas Chambers'", by Fred A. Leuchter
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:57:48 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)

I think Fred A. Leuchter, if he ever went _inside" a gas chamber, is the only
one who came out alive.  My grandparents didn't.
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From: mortal@netcom.com (Phyllis Schlafley)
Subject: Re: THE HOLOCAUST STORY:  HOW MUCH IS FALSE?  The Case for Open Debate
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 19:25:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

To put my .02 cents worth, why not create a Holocaust news group and let all these people slug it out there instead of waisting bandwidth by putting the same stuff in three or four news groups?

Any one like this?


Mortal@netcom.com
From: msuzio@irie.ais.org (Michael Suzio)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Pete, don't go away mad...
Keywords: HATE-CRIMES,NAZI,RACIST
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:41:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: irie.msuzio.703528870
Organization: UMCC - Ann Arbor, MI  USA

Mr. Faust (and all those other B(S)-CPU users -oops, I forgot you
*are* all those other users), why don't you just give it up?  No one buys
your blatently racist trash, your postings have all been ripped to pieces on
all kind of factual basis, and people here basically hate you and your
imaginary friends on B-CPU.  I started reading this group with an open mind,
willing to let you have your say (after all, know your enemy, right?).  But
you have utterly failed to present any convincing evidence of any of your
allegations, instead reposting the same crap over and over again.  I'm
beginning to wonder if you aren't just some really slick AI/cron job, your
postings are so repetitive.
In short, I'm tired of you Pete (and George, and Maynard, etc..).  You fail
to amuse me anymore. So don't go away mad - just go away, and leave us to
our miserable, Zionist-controlled lives.

As a final note, Pete - have you ever had any positive responses to your
propoganda? Has this whole seemingly useless exercise ever netted you one
convert - one person you could call a friend?

I didn't think so.
From: sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Smear campaign
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:29:32 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: na
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NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.196
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

In article <rdippold.702925792@cancun>, rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes...
>vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>>These anonymous acusers of Brown have no credibility at all. Part of
>>the rights of the defender as part of the Constitution is the right of
>>the defenders to face their accusers in a public court.
> 
>In a criminal case...  If it ever gets to trial, they will be forced
>to show themselves.  But it's unlikely they will.   This is just
>another political maneuver, with the same credibility, as, say...  all
>the accusations Brown's been making about Clinton.  

There's one big difference.  We all know who makes Brown's accusations against
Clinton.  So we can judge for ourselves whether they are from a credible
source.  These four POLICE OFFICERS are claiming that Brown committed a felony
under California law by knowingly permitting the use of cocaine at his home,
but don't have the guts to let us see their faces when they say it.  How can a
law enforcement officer accuse him of a felony anonymously, and expect anyone
to believe it?  I want to know who these guys are.

-Scott
From: acsormd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall Desmond)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Two Questions...Holocost and FED.
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:22:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello,

I need some info before I can form an opinion.

first, the Holocost...

	1. What quotes can you supply that the B-CPU people have made
	   racist/nazi comments?

	Comment: I'm relatively new to this group and I don't like
			1. racism
			2. mis-info

	2. Who's got the truth, and how should I know?

	Comment: Whether the holocost happened to the reported extent
	or slightly less (that's the impression I'm getting from some),
	I learn either one of two things. Don't alienate and obliterate
	a group of people based on differences (I guess I'd apply a
	slightly reversed version of that to zionism), or don't believe
	all you read/see/hear and let your emotions be swayed by such.


Second, the fed...

	1. how can the fed be replaced?

	2. Does counterfeit money hurt the people of the USA or the Fed? 

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From: tylerh@cco.caltech.edu (Tyler R. Holcomb)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,sci.research,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Want facts? "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA? The Alarming Facts"
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:37:08 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

WHY IS THIS IN SCI.RESEARCH??????

__PLEASE__ POST TO APPROPRIATE GROUPS


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From: todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.filipino,soc.history
Subject: Re: Did American Troops Kill 3 Million Filipinos?
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:24:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr16.202440.3119
Organization: Reed College, Portland OR

In article <1992Apr16.181050.10769@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU writes:
> In the Philippines the US seemed to adopt some
>sort of bastardization of 'The White Man's Burden' and that is a cause
>unworthy of the stated goals of the United States (city upon a hill and
>all that).

In fact, I believe it was just that. I read a year or so ago that 
Kipling wrote "Take up the White Man's Burden" in honor of the US's
entry into colonialism. Sort of a birthday present to the new empire.

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From: kyig6809@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kenneth Yerro Ilio )
Subject: Re: Did American Troops Kill 3 Million Filipinos?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:01:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.230352.5759@samba.oit.unc.edu> David.Choweller@bbs.oit.unc.edu (David Choweller) writes:
>
>In an book review dating from the 60's Gore Vidal claims that
>American troops participated in the genocide of 3 million Filipinos
>at the "turn of the century."  I've never heard of this before.  Did this
>happen, and how widely accepted is this alleged fact?  I don't have the exact
>title of the article because I was just given a photocopy of it, but it's
>a review of a book about West Point.  Vidal spends almost not time reviewing
>the book, but expounds his own theories on how the people at West Point have
>been responsible for building America's "empire" throughout the world.
>--
Three million maybe a tad of an exaggeration.  The reported figures vary
anywhere from a quarter of a million to anywhere upward depending on
the author and his ideology.  The varying figures reflects the fact that
little is known about the Philippine-American War which raged for about
2-5 years (again depending on the author) during the turn of the century.
Much of the war was suppressed in Philippine history books and the
American and Filipino authoritiescalled the war just an insurrection.
    Briefly, Filipinos outrightly won its independence
from Spain through a revolution before Spain's defeat in the Spanish
American War.  American officers recognized that Filipino troops defeated
Spanish forces and even extended protection to US troops.  Still, by
concluding the Treaty of Paris in December 1898, Washington bought 
the Philippines and the victorious and independent Filipino people from
Madrid for a sum of US $20 million.  After the treaty was signed in
Paris, practically the whole month of January and the first week of
February in 1899 witnessed the tit-for-tat build-up of conflict between
the Filipinos and the US government - which lead to the Philippine-
American war.
   The casualty figure touted about right now is 600,000 or about
10 per cent of the population of the Philippines during that time
(Jose Rizal, the foremost political analyst during the late 1800s
estimated the population of the country to be 6 million).  Putting
entire villages to the torch, employing the most barbaric torture like
water cure and hanging upside down were done by the "GI Joes" in
the Philippines more than half a century before Vietnam.

Take note that these figures also include casualties arising indirectly
from the little less known war between Filipinos and Americans.  A
recent and excellent review of the Philippine-American war can be
found in Stanley Karnow's In Our Image...


B
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Kenneth Yerro Ilio
Veterinary Biosciences             Life is a foreign language 
University of Illinois at          Every man has mispronounced it. 
  Urbana Champaign                            -- Carlos Bulosan 
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From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Voting Culture (Was: Re: Dr. Helen Caldicott: "Building a progressive agenda in 1992")
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:19:22 GMT
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In-reply-to: jburnes@swbatl.sbc.com's message of Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:32:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.183255.27865@swbatl.sbc.com> jburnes@swbatl.sbc.com (Jim Burnes - 235-7444) writes:

   dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon) writes:
   > 
   > An excerpt from an address, "Building a progressive agenda in 1992," by 
   > Dr. Helen Caldicott, author of _Missile envy_ and _If you love this 
   > planet_.

   >                          You have it by turning this country into a 
   > democracy by having totally compulsory voting, as we do in Australia 
   > [applause].

   Oh, no..thats not democracy...thats facism.

Hmm, just out of curiosity, what are the voting options in various
countries?  Here's an example of what I mean:

In the United States, those who are eligible to vote vote optionally.
(There are state restrictions, though: in New York state, it used to
be the case that if you didn't vote in the general election the year
before the Presidential election, you had to re-register to vote in
the Presidential election.  In New York State, no electioneering is
allowed near the polls (within 150 yards or some similar limitation.
In Massachusetts, electioneering is permitted up to the entrance of
the polling place, but not within.)  Absentee ballots are available if
requested sufficiently in advance of the election.  Votes are cast
using voting machines or paper ballots provided at the poll.  General
elections, primaries, etc. are held on Tuesday.

Greece (at least in 1974): Those who are eligible to vote must vote.
(Those over 70 (75?) can vote optionally.)  There are no absentee
ballots.  Those who cannot vote by virtue of illness must produce
documentation from a doctor.  Those who cannot vote because they are
away from the locality where they are registered must certify this by
presenting themselves to the police (if within Greece) or the Greek
consulate (if abroad).  Paper ballots are sent to voters, who bring
them to the polling place to cast them.  Votes are held on Sundays; no
alcohol is sold on an election day (this includes restaurants as well
as bars), even after the polls are closed.

So, what are things like in other places?  (And have I totally botched
the NY State and Greek restrictions?)

-30-
Bob