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From: coxm@Software.Mitel.COM (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: October 26th Referendum
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:47:54 GMT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <1992Sep28.175506.6970@bmerh85.bnr.ca> ernestl@bnr.ca writes:
[stuff deleted]
>I've had a quick look at the 'Consensus Report On the Constitution' (my own
>copy is still in the mail) and was surprised that it was fairly clearly 
>written. The main problem I have so far with it is that every second 
>sentence contains the word 'should' as in:
>'Subsection 36(1) should be expanded to contain the territories.' or
>'The Constitution should commit the federal government to...'.
>Why could the agreement not read:
>'Subsection 36(1) WILL be expanded to contain the territories.' and
>'The Constitution WILL commit the federal government to...'???
>The word 'should' can not possibly be legally binding and what guarantee 
>is there that any of these statements will actually be included
>in the legal text?
Should is used when *optional* activities are to take place.  Ie. they are
not mandatory, and the agreement will still be fulfilled if indeed these are
not carried out.  *Will* is not acceptable in documents.  *Shall* is always
used instead.  Don't ask me why, to me they convey the same thing.
   On *NO* vs. *YES* I've come to one conclusion.  If I vote *NO* I'll
definitely regret it.  If I vote *YES* I'm not sure if I will or not.  I
already know of 4,000 jobs lost from Quebec (not by Mitel) if they vote *NO*
from one company.  While I don't like clouds being held over anyones head the
economic reality of the October 26th vote must be known and understood.  The
simple truth is that *NO* means uncertainty.  *YES* is not much more defined
than *NO*, but uncertainty over the union is more stable.  Of course the three
provinces which actually are holding this as a referendum really are the
important provinces to look out for.  If Quebec votes yes then we still must
wait (EDT) until the wee hours of the morning to determine if Alberta and
British Columbia have accepted the accord.  For once a Nationwide vote hangs in
their hands?



-- 
Michael H. Cox      | Referendum vote:
                    | Men vote:             YES
Mitel Corporation   | Women vote:           NO
                    | Hermaphrodites vote:  MAYBE
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: Net & email access for BNR types
Keywords: bnr, internet, email
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: ott
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:00:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.025137.6531@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca>, mcr@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca (Michael Richardson) writes:
|> >To switch topics:  BNR is a great (!!!) place to work.  I heartily
|> 
|>   For every person that raves about BNR I know one why couldn't stand
|> it. 
|> 
Isn't this true for ANY company.  You'll always find contended and
uncontended employees no matter how good (or bad?) a company is.  BNR
has its strengths (or else it would not have survived) and flaws (law
of human nature) and it applies to any successful companies.  Like
most normal human being I'm a appreciator and a griper depending on
what mood you catch me in :). 
 
-- 
...Kyle              khor@bnr.ca         (613)763-2488
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: tadr@doe.carleton.ca (Tom A. D. Riley)
Subject: Baby/Toddler things for sale
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:43:00 GMT

Three Items for sale. 

Fisher Price High-Chair  $60

2 safety gates (the kind that keep kids from 
falling down the stairs) $15 / each

phone 826-2523
From: barry@Software.Mitel.COM (Barry King)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Ski Whistler/Blackcomb
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:52:46 GMT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

Please do not respond to sender. Please use number below.

  **********     SKI    WHISTLER/BLACKCOMB      **********

           Price  - $850.00 all inclusive {taxes inc}  


           With   "THE  SKI  EXTREME  CLUB"
                   -----------------------

           Departure - March 31 1993

           - flight to Vancover 
           - 7 Nights Accomodation
           - 6 Day Dual Mountain Pass {ie. Blackcomb & Whistler}
           - Fully Equipped Condo's.
           - Ski to Lift Location. 

           Terms of Payment :

	   - $50.00 Initial Deposit due Nov.01/92
           - $250.00 Second Deposit Dec.01/92  

  ******FOR FURTHER INFO CALL 592-2122 Ext 2700 (The Ski Line)******
From: rwm@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca (Russell McOrmond)
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:37:00 EST
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Bogus new groups.

  I am curious about a few new groups that just started appearing in the ott
hiarchy.  I have been under the impression that most of usenet goes under
a democratic system where sites have a vote on whether a new group is to
be added to a hiarchy.  In Ottawa, only ott.general and ott.events have
been set up in this type of fashion as far as I know.

  Now, the following areas have been seeing traffic:

  ott.for-sale   - was actually newgrouped, and has seen about 11 nessages since
                   it started.
  ott.forsale    - A typo in a crosspost at BNR - Not a real issue ;-)
  ott.vietnamese - This was newgrouped, and has seen some 14 messages since it
                   was stuck in.

  I'd like to see a vote called for the for-sale and vietnamese
groups.  Personally, I think it's rude of anyone to just plant new groups
in the hiarchy without asking anyone.  If people were asked, WHO was asked?

  Any comment welcome.
--
  Opinions expressed in this message are my Own. I represent nobody else.
  Russell McOrmond  rwm@Atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca Net Support:(613) 230-2282(V.32Bis)
  FidoNet 1:163/109 Welmat Help 1:1/139  Current WELMAT 'keeper of sources'.
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: dominic@skaro.genie.uottawa.ca (Dominic Richens)
Subject: Death threats at Carleton physics department
Followup-To: ott.general
Originator: dominic@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca
Reply-To: dominic@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca
Organization: MCRLab - University of Ottawa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:20:13 GMT


Hey!

Someone just told me that they heard on the radio that pictures of ten
women students disappeared from the physics department at Carleton, and
that the department and the campus information both received telephone
calls from someone saying that "ten people are going to die".

Anyone have any more information on this?

If this is true, then I think it is about time that the administration of
Carleton has gotten vocal about these kinds of threats (re: several
incidents last year were kept quiet).

dominic

-- 
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 Dominic Richens  :  dominic@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca  :  Tel. (613) 564 9911 
      MCRLab, Dept of Elec Eng, University of Ottawa, K1N 6N5, CANADA   
"You construct intricate rituals which allow you to touch the skin of other men"
From: luli@pinetree.org (Luciana Lima)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Rideau Canal Duck Race
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 08:27:19 EDT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

      I wonder if anyone knows where I could get one of those yellow
little duckies used at that anual duck race that occurs when the Rideau 
Canal melts. My 2 1/2 years old son lost his last thursday and miss it
a lot. 

      Thank you.
--
Luciana Lima
808-960 Teron Road, Kanata, Ont., K2K-2B6
phone: (613) 592-6054
e-mail: luli@pinetree.org

--
  Internet: luli@pinetree.org (Luciana Lima)
  UUCP: pinetree!luli
  Gordon's Pinetree -- Ottawa, ON, Canada -- +1 613 526 0702 -- v.32bis/v.42bis
From: coxm@Software.Mitel.COM (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: CAUTION: Lousy Service Warning
Date: 25 Sep 92 16:42:19 GMT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <1992Sep24.173759.17181@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> mikhahn@bnr.ca (Michael Hahn) writes:
>LOCATION: Computer Concepts Ltd.
>	  90N Robertson Rd.
>	  Nepean, Ontario
>
>OWNER: Bernie Melamed
>
>Just a warning to anyone thinking of purchasing merchandise at the above location.
>Their prices may be reasonable when compared to other locations in Ottawa, but
>be aware that their service department leaves much to be desired, unless you
>like to be patronized and treated like an idiot.

I agree, they do treat everyone like an idiot there.  They treat you even worse
if you know more than they do.
-- 
Michael H. Cox      | Referendum vote:
                    | Men vote:             YES
Mitel Corporation   | Women vote:           NO
                    | Hermaphrodites vote:  MAYBE
From: jp_torunski@chezrob.pinetree.org (JP Torunski)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: CAUTION: Lousy Service Warning
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 15:30:51 EDT
Distribution: ott
Organization: RPM Desktop Publishing, Ottawa, ON - +1 613 794 0911

That's awefully strange, I get a lot of stuff there and I've always been 
happy...
My SupraModem had probs, I brought it in and they fixed it, no problems 
at all for me.

the guy was really nice,  I talked to him for a couple minutes and stuff, 
he seemed entirely competent.

                                        JP
PS I'm not an employee there, just a satisfied customer.. I'm sorry to 
hear you're not quite as satisfied!

---
 JP Torunski   -   jp_torunski@chezrob.pinetree.org
 C.R.I.M.E. BBS - (Chez Rob's Int'l Mail Exchange) 613/230-5307 (data)
07 (data)
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: tadr@doe.carleton.ca (Tom A. D. Riley)
Subject: White TTL monochrome Monitor for sale $40
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:47:02 GMT

Works fine with ATI EGA Wonder or Hercules Graphics

I used it for 4 months 'til I could afford a colour
monitor. If you're setting up a system cheap this is 
a good start.
From: inunn@hpb.hwc.ca
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Economic Distaster, etc.
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:28:08 EDT
Organization: Health and Welfare, Canada

It just occurred to me that the hysterical remarks made by our leader and the
doomsday economic forecasts by our bank executives are helping destabilize our
dollar.  I wonder if anyone
is watching to see if they are profiting from short selling on global money
markets.
From: cowan@aqua.ocunix.on.ca (Darin Cowan (root))
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Net & email access for BNR types
Keywords: bnr, internet, email
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 12:04:51 GMT
Organization: The Aquarium, Ottawa, Ontario

mcr@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca (Michael Richardson) writes:

> In article <1992Sep23.190510.15293@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittak
> >Short answer:  this isn't email.
> >
> >Long answer:  many companies prohibit the use of company resources for
> >private use.  IMHO, the reasons are obvious (i.e. the company then has
> >solid ground on which to stand when they need to terminate an employee
> >who has made "unreasonable" use of company facilities, etc.).
> 
>   Doesn't discussing the constitutional referendum count as non-BNR
> related? Or is it in the space of non-private, non-BNR things, and in
> that case what is the policy?
>   Why not use common sense to determine ``unreasonable'' use.

There was a case (I can't remember the exact reference) where an
employee was fired for using company computers for "personal" business.
Said employee took the company to court and won his job back.  The court
said that using the computer for personal business was fine as long as
it was done outside of business hours and did not affect the
availability of resources for other employees.

(inside of business hours would mean the employee wasn't doing assigned
work).
From: trevor@Software.Mitel.COM (Trevor Davis)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Sale: Comics and Cards
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:13:04 GMT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

Cards:

Series                     Set Price
======                     =========

Impel X-Men                $14
Ghost Rider II w/glow      $10
Marvel Univ Series III     $18
Cosmic Cards               $15
McFarlane Era Spiderman    $12
Spiderman II (30th Anniv)  $12
Youngblood                 $10
Special (limited) 5 card Spiderman 30th anniversary set produced by Impel $20

Holos & Prisms
==============
Impel X-Men        Set of  5: $20  Individual: $4.50
Marv. U. Series 3  Set of  5: $30  Individual: $5.50
DC Cosmic Cards    Set of 10: $40  Individual: $4.50
McFarlane Era      Individual: $8
Spiderman II       Individual: $7
Youngblood         Set of  6: $40  Individual: $8

Comics
======
For now just let me know what you're looking for.  If there is enough
demand I will take the time to make up an itemized list.

Just a few I have to offer are: Ghostrider, all 4 Spiderman holo covers,
All IMAGE titles, Lobo, Spiderman, Hulk, Batman, X-Men (both series),
X-Force, X-Factor, all Spiderman titles, Aquaman, New Mutants, Cage,
Silver Sable, Punisher War Zone, Punisher, Silver Surfer, Justice League,
Flash, Doom Patrol etc...  I have many HOT books.

Some sample prices (Haggling is allowed)

Ghostrider #1    $18
Ghostrider #3    $12
Ghostrider #5    $12
Ghostrider #6    $9
Ghostrider #15   $8
New Mutants #1   $8
New Mutants #93  $8
New Mutants #96  $8
Spawn #1         $4
Youngblood #1    $7
Wolverine #1     $17
From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: CAUTION: Lousy Service Warning
Date: 25 Sep 92 16:18:27 GMT
Distribution: ott
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: mikhahn@bnr.ca's message of 24 Sep 92 17:37:59 GMT

>>>>> On 24 Sep 92 17:37:59 GMT, mikhahn@bnr.ca (Michael Hahn) said:
Michael> LOCATION: Computer Concepts Ltd.
Michael> 	  90N Robertson Rd.
Michael> 	  Nepean, Ontario

[... poor service from Computer Concepts on co-processor deleted ...]

Most of the local stores are set up to *milk* the big fat cows, ie. those
buying the complete systems.

For small items like memory chips, co-processors, etc., I always get
them from mail order. In fact, when I mail ordered my 80387 I had the
same problem on the first shipment, ie. the chip failed the software
verification. However, before I placed my order, I was told that the
chip manufacturer had a toll free technical support line. Thus, I
called them and got them to send another chip via Federal Express
while I was holding the original one. After I successfully installed
the co-processor, I returned the defective one to the manufacturer via
post office mail.

---
Boniface Lau    (613) 592-2122 ext. 3042    Boniface_Lau@Mitel.COM
Mitel Corp., 350 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 1X3

Emptiness does not mean there are no people, but that all keep to their work; 
fullness does not mean there are many people, but that all seek trivialities.  
                                               -- Huainanzi
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: tina@csi.on.ca (Tina Klein)
Subject: looking for information
Organization: Carp Systems International, Kanata, ON
Distribution: ottawa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:26:07 GMT

Hello - can someone please point me towards a contact person for the 
upcoming Ottawa SIGDOC conference?
I am looking for general information about the conference.
Thanks in advance,
T
-- 
Tina Klein, Technical Writer           CAnet: tina@csi.on.ca
CSI, 600 Terry Fox Drive - Suite 200   Phone: (613) 592-5780
Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2L 4B6        Fax:   (613) 592-0584
From: walt@orbit.ocunix.on.ca (Walt Sullivan)
Newsgroups: ott.general
Subject: Re: Any good BBS out there
Distribution: ott
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:12:09 EST
Organization: Not much of an Organization

In article <1992Sep29.190359.14213@gandalf.ca> dmongrai@gandalf.ca (Dan Mongrain) writes:
>Can anyone recommend a good BBS in the Ottawa region.  By good I mean good
>Technical and social discussions, good software availability, etc.

Social discussions are not machine specific, but technical discussions
and software availability are. What computer are you talking about?
There are BBSs in Ottawa dedicated to Amiga, Apple II, IBM PC, ....

I'm sure that there are many people reading ott.general that would be happy 
to reccommend a BBS to you, if you would be more specific about what
you want.

--

    Walt Sullivan           walt@orbit.ocunix.on.ca
                            Fido 1:163/109.4
    None of what I say is what my employer says, ever!
    Am I still confused if I'm not, but only THINK I'm confused?
Newsgroups: bnr.general,ott.general
From: rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith)
Subject: Re: Death threats at Carleton physics department
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:43:06 GMT

In <1992Oct6.172013.10718@csi.uottawa.ca> dominic@skaro.genie.uottawa.ca (Dominic Richens) writes:
>If this is true, then I think it is about time that the administration of
>Carleton has gotten vocal about these kinds of threats (re: several
>incidents last year were kept quiet).

There are big notices on main doors around campus today. These notices 
review the incident containing the information you mentiond. Apparently
classes were cancelled thursday and friday, resumed moday as nothing has
happened. Open house was held as usual but security has been watching.


Newsgroups: ott.general
From: bradford@ncs.dnd.ca (Bob Bradford)
Subject: SCSI QIC Tape Drives
Organization: Software Kinetics Ltd.
Distribution: ott
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:49:16 GMT


I am upgrading my PC system and I wish to add a SCSI QIC tape unit to
it. Unfortunately, the price of new units is higher than I expected.
Is there a source for second hand (refurbished?) drives of this type
in the area? If not can anyone help me find the least expensive tape
option for new equipment? I have quotes ranging from $1300 to $1700 for
internal units. Can I do better?


Any help would be appreciated.


==========================================================================
Bob Bradford                             Internet: bradford@crc.sofkin.ca
Senior Software Specialist               Phone:    (613) 831-0888
Software Kinetics Ltd                    Fax:      (613) 831-1836
65 Iber Road
Stittsville, ON
Canada         K2H 5S1
===========================================================================

-- 
==========================================================================
Bob Bradford                             Internet: bradford@crc.sofkin.ca
Senior Software Specialist               Phone:    (613) 831-0888
Software Kinetics Ltd                    Fax:      (613) 831-1836
Newsgroups: ott.general
From: jejensen@alfred.carleton.ca (John Jensen)
Subject: Cheap modem wanted.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:09:28 GMT

A friend of mine is looking for a cheap modem, preferably about 2400
baud and around $30-$60.

Please email if you have anything.

Thanks

John Jensen
jejensen@ccs.carleton.ca

Newsgroups: ont.for-sale,bnr.misc.classifieds,ott.general
From: dbailey@bnr.ca (Douglas Bailey)
Subject: 1978 VW van for sale
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:57:26 GMT


I've got a 1978 VW van which isn't seeing any use.  I'd like to get it
off my driveway.  This is the last of the classic, breadbox style VW
van.  It does not have the Westfalia conversion.

It needs some brake work plus a few minor things (e.g. light bulbs
replaced) before it will be certifiable.  The garage I took it to
estimated $500-$600 to certify.  It also needs a tune-up and oil
change.  I have the list of work the garage required before it would
certify.

The body has lots of surface rust but no rust-throughs. If you're so
inclined, two weekends of work will fix up the rust.  The underside is
in very good shape -- no rust on the frame at all, no rust under the
wheel wells.

I failed to note the milage before coming in to work today, but I
believe it is around 160K km.  Compression is still good, the engine
has many more years of life left in it.

I won't recommend it as a winter vehicle, because the heater is
sub-standard by north american standards.  However, it is a very
versatile vehicle otherwise:
   - seats seven comfortably
   - center seat can be removed for cargo
   - third seat can be folded out for sleeping
   - good gas milage (for a van) -- ~28 mpg highway

I'll ask $2000 for it, but am willing to consider offers.

Doug Bailey

work: 763-5353
home: 825-9702

Newsgroups: ott.general
From: brobert@oups.dgrc.doc.ca (Bill Robertson)
Subject: Re: looking for recreation badminton group
Reply-To: brobert@oups.dgrc.doc.ca
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:12:50 GMT

talk to chun loo in DSAT
---
Bill Robertson CRC/DRL Box 11490 Station H, Ottawa, ON CANADA K2H 8S2
Voice:(613)998-2819 Fax:990-7987 bill@mars.dgrc.doc.ca 

Newsgroups: ott.general
From: watson@sce.carleton.ca (Stephen Watson)
Subject: Re: Economic Distaster, etc.
Organization: Home for Indigent Bit-Bashers
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:23:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.162808.339@hpb.hwc.ca> inunn@hpb.hwc.ca writes:
>It just occurred to me that the hysterical remarks made by our leader and the
>doomsday economic forecasts by our bank executives are helping destabilize our
>dollar.  

You know, I'd be inclined to vote "YES", except that the person who seems to
most want me to is (IMHO) a scoundrel, and is up to his usual tricks of
hysteria-mongering and wrapping himself in the flag.

Makes me think there's just GOTTA be something badly wrong with this deal.

-- 
==Steve Watson: watson@sce.carleton.ca===Carleton University, Ottawa, Ontario==
| The above is the output of a 7th-order Markovian analysis of all posts on   |
| this group for the past month.  Not only is it not Carleton's opinion, it's |
| not even *my* opinion: it's really just a mish-mash of all YOUR opinions!   |
Newsgroups: bnr.general,ott.general
From: dragog@bmerh92.bnr.ca (Drago Goricanec)
Subject: Re: Was Lousy Service
Reply-To: dragog@bnr.ca (Drago Goricanec)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 19:45:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.195746.1563@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> michael.hahn@bnr.ca writes:
|> My idea of good service is the way I was treated at the Future Shop
|> on Merivale Road in Nepean.

I agree with you.  In January, I bought a slim cordless phone with a
speaker phone in the base unit.  The phone reminds me of the old Star
Trek communicators that flip open.  Needless to say, I had some problems
with the phone.  I returned it, and they replaced it without a hassle.
I had a different kind of problem with the replacement, but they took
that one back also.  I wasn't surprised about the problems I was having
with the phone, but I was surprised at how Future Shop had dealt with
me, the customer.  I had almost expected them to be a seedy operation,
but I would definitely go back there again.
--
Drago Goricanec, +1 613 763-8957,   Internet:  dragog@bnr.ca
Communications Systems, Software Development (OSI Protocols)
Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of BNR.
Newsgroups: bnr.general,ott.general,rec.games.frp.dnd
From: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Subject: AD&D 2nd Edition Players Required.
Reply-To: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: ott
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:43:49 GMT

Wel met,

  I'm the DM of a 2nd edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons game that 
requires a few (2 or 3) more players.  We play every Monday night from
about 6:00 to 10:00 and the location alternates between our houses/
apartments (mostly in Ottawa's West End).  Some details :

  - All players (except one) are permanent residents in Ottawa (no co-ops
    please).
  - The world used is the Forgotten Realms.
  - Current character level is from 4 to 6.
  - The characters are currently in Waterdeep exploring Undermountain.
  - We only use the Players Handbook, the Dungeon Master's Guide, and 
    Forgotten Realm supplements (no other handbooks please).

If you are interested in joining in then send me some mail.
Until swords part.

Don Clayton
a.k.a. Rear-Adm. Maverick, DM of the Drow
My brain, my thoughts, my words.
If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a K-car (a nice reliant automobile),
Newsgroups: ott.general