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From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:29:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.195306.22131@odin.corp.sgi.com> pal@wpd.sgi.com writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.190515.24576@leland.Stanford.EDU>, eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>|> 
>|> How, might I ask, did the US gov't FORCE the japanese to raise prices?
>|> And HOW did they go to 4X what they were before?
>
>I would have thought that someone as interested as you in trade issues
>would have studied the various US-Japan semiconductor trade agreements
>in detail.
>
>I don't recall offhand what the exact agreement was, but it some
>combination of tariffs and "voluntary" agreements was used to dictate a
>minimum price for Japanese DRAMs in the US for a certain period of
>time, as well as to establish a target quota of 20% of the Japanese
>market for US-manufactured semiconductors.
>

Now before you go off with what you know, maybe you should look into it 
as well.  I called my congressman from my "home state" and obtained the
report issued to congress by the investigative board on "preserving
the semiconductor industry in the US". 

The voluntary export restraints issued under reagan for semiconductors
were instated AFTER the DRAM tradgedy. They did not DICTATE a price,
mearly restrained the quantity (which in my opinion, is a BAD idea.
The effect is the same as a tarriff, except the US doesn't get the
marginal revenue, the other country does!- BAD). 

The VER's were in RESPONSE to the incident. I don't think they were
the correct solution, but the idea was in the right direction, since
the other side seems to not give a rats a** about being fair.


Newsgroups: ba.general
From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 01:26:53 GMT

pcd@otter.esd.sgi.com (Paul C. David) writes:
>
>- Approximately 50% of married people have admitted extra-marital
>  affairs.  While this doesn't morally justify it, it should tell

	The difference is the TWELVE YEARS the creep (Clinton) carried
	on the affair.  Now maybe his wife knew and chose to stay
	anyway for whatever purpose, but he still led a double
	life all those years representing himself as Mr. Wonderful,
	the Governor.

>- I think Barbara Bush is a very nice woman and it was nice of
>  George to have her picture put on the one dollar bill.

	RETRO ALERT!  I thought this kind of shitty attitude toward 
	women went out in the seventies.  Yet here again is the same
	old fucked up deal:  A Woman's Value Is Based On Her Looks.
	
	Get a clue, ya lame-brain.

Xref: sparky ba.general:4361 misc.kids:25705 misc.legal:18420
From: whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:26:12 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ

In article <183824@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>   o  Mr. Sohl himself, if he has any kind of morals whatever and
>      any experience whatever with young children.  This of course
>      assume that you and he ever WERE young children and have any
>      memories whatever of your experiences.

Well, I have three kids (19, 15 and 8) and all three of them know their
bounds, they do NOT trespass, etc.  It hasn't been any great dicatatorial
process to channel their development in that direction.  Indeed, my
son at age 19 is now equaly annoyed with other kids who see his
automobile as their leaning post, etc.  

>   Obviously you are aware that the question HAS been answered and
>   are deliberately playing stupid.   Hopefully you will never have
>   children or a pool,,,,you would be a menace to society with
>   either.
>
>   Sadly, our society believes in protecting its children, but does
>   not believe in retroactive abortion for sociopaths,.

Sadly, society believes no one should be personally responsible for
their own stupid actions.  As I've said before, while I fully 
understand the concept and case law relating to attractive nuisances,
I do not agree with it AND I will work towards eliminating it 
where ever/wneh ever I can.

In another post someone stated "how can you keep a 10 year old from
an abandoned railroad roundhouse?  Simple, you make it off limits
to the child and each and every time s/he violates that limitation
the child is punished.  If the kid is that rebellious then YOU have
a real problem child on YOUR hands.  We live 1/4 mile from a lake.
It is off limits to my 8 year old.  In fact, my 8 year old is not allowed
to leave our property without letting us know where she is going.

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Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
From: brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner)
Subject: Re: Attractive Nuisance (was: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions)
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:17:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.153015.14384@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>In article <24492@sybase.sybase.com> mysti@sybase.com (Mysti) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Oct9.191528.20366@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>
>>>In article <1992Oct9.172944.5291@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
[stuff omitted]
>And as far as children going about the world unattended, well, there
>are many horrors and hazards out there that I'd worry about before
>uncovered swimming pools.  That statement doesn't sound like one from
>a responsible parent.
[stuff omitted]
>-- 
>Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
>SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
>Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974

Mysti, he's not ever going to get it. Neither is the other Eric. Both are
challenging persons to interact with, IMHO, via post or mail. Do you as
a parent see any reason why they can't go on holding their views on the
other side of a reasonable fence, like over in misc.legal, where parents
and children are reasonable abstractions, not little suicide divers? (see
unrelated m.k humor thread)?

-- 
Eric Brunner Tule Network Services
uucp: uunet!practic!brunner
trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.

Newsgroups: ba.general
From: olsen@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Diane Olsen)
Subject: Wanted:  Recomm. for renters ins., antique appraisal
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:33:14 GMT

I'm looking for advice and information about getting renters
insurance for a pile of belongings that used to be too small
to bother with but now includes some antiques and a computer
as well as thousands of books.  I could use insurance co./agent
recommendations (is State Farm as good as I've heard?) as 
well as the name of someone who could come to my home and
write appraisals for the antiques.  Thanks!

--Diane

P.S. -- Does anybody have experience with insurance riders
for musical instruments?  Are they cost-effective for 
instruments that are worth less than, say, $1000?

-- 
Diane L. Olsen		"A woman with a mind is fit for all tasks."
olsen@csli.stanford.edu		--Christine de Pizan (c.1363-c.1431)
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: Attractive Nuisance (was East Bay Regional Parks)
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 16:02:05 GMT

In article 433@netcom.com, phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>    ====> Note followups should go to more appropriate newsgroup, w.i.h.d.
>    In article <1992Oct7.192027.9087@eagercon.com>
>    eager@eagercon.com writes:
>    >It does matter. But it is not the only factor. A tresspass,
>    >by an adult or child, does not excuse the owners liability
>    >for consequences which he could have reasonablly forseen and
>    >prevented.
>
>    Why? Trespass is a crime, a violation of your rights. Should a
>    man that rapes a pretty woman, and then gets AIDS from her as a
>    result of that rape, sue her?
>
>    After all: 1. She is an "attractive nuisance". This is a good one
>		  to use if the rapist is somehwat mentally diminished.
>
>	       2. She should have seen the consequences -- after all, it was
>		  reasonable that if any one had sex with her they would
>		  be endangered, no?
>
>Sorry, whoever initiates coercion (violates property rights in this case)
>gets whats coming to them.
>
>Where were the parents???????


It is impossible to respond to this.  It is 
	(1) unrelated to the topic of attractive nuisance.
	(2) hypothetical to an absurd extent.
	(3) irrelevant, since a person cannot be an attractive nuisance.
	(4) offensive in claiming that it was a victim's fault she was raped.

---
Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: US workers more productive.
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:17:46 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Oct14.231547.20734@pei.com>, fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott) writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.213603.3891@cascade.Stanford.EDU> eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
# #BALTIMORE (AP) - U.S. workers are more productive than their German or
# #Japanese counterparts, largely because of America's highly competitive
# #and open trade environment, the authors of a new study said yesterday.
# ...
# 
# #Free Trade may be the motivation. "There's more competition for U.S.
# #companies," said Martin Baily, an Economics professor at the University
# #of Maryland and coauthor of the study. "Managers are forced to raise 
# #productivity in order to survive and be profitable."
# 
# Note that "Free Trade" is hostile to the concept of "buy American" (or
# any other country, for that matter) propaganda campaigns.
# 
# Fred

Unless the government is paying for the campaign, there is nothing
contradictory about free trade and "Buy American" campaigns.  Free
trade is a matter of what the government FORCES; a "Buy American"
campaign is a matter of PERSUASION.  I may not pay attention to a
"Buy American" campaign, but it doesn't prevent me from doing so
if I choose to.

-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
From: fergie@hal.COM (Wendy Ferguson)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Certified CHEVY REPAIR
Keywords: Auto repair chevy
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:46:44 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: vamoose.hal.com


Anyone have a recommendation for a CERTIFIED chevy 
repair shop in the SOUTH BAY/SAN JOSE area?  I have 
a "new" engine that's still under warranty and don't 
want to go to a dealer if at all possible.

Thanks, 

Wendy
Xref: sparky ba.general:4382 misc.kids:25738 misc.legal:18445
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:04:49 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Oct8.194203.19168@adobe.com>, pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
> In article <1992Oct8.185834.23015@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
# #It's a damn shame we live in a convoluted "legal-sue" society, but
# #the issue here is TEACH the kids or WATCH the kids.  Suppose you
# 
# How are you supposed to teach a ten-year old that an unfenced abandoned
# railroad turntable, which probably looks a lot like equipment at
# a playground, is dangerous and can hurt him badly, when you don't
# even know there is one in your neighborhood?

The same way I teach my daughter and son not to walk up to cute
little doggies with unknown temperments -- when in doubt about the
safety of an object, stand back.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: NEC VR4000 RISC CPU
From: haider@netcom.com (Jamal Haider)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 02:07:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Newsgroups: all
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Newsgroups: ba.general
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:11:06 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

Someone asked about relative stats between the dangers of unsecured
pools and unsecured firearms. My world almanac shows that in 1990, the
number of drownings per 100,000 was 1.9 and the number of deaths from
firearms accidents was 0.6. I will add that many researchers believe the
number of deaths from firearms accidents is inflated by sympathetic
investigators who report a suicide as an accident so the survivors
will receive insurance benefits.

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Happy owner of a new Mitsubishi Expo.
Newsgroups: ba.general,rec.aviation.misc
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:48:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.185954.10717@netcom.com> gstory@netcom.com (Glenn Story) writes:
>I lived in Japan from 1983-1985.  JAL had so many crashes and other problems
>that the head of JAL had to make a personal appology to the Prime Minister.
>
>The worst was a plane (from Tokyo to Osaka, if memory serves) that crashed
>into a remote mountain during the height of the vacation season, killing 
>all or almost all on board.  The plane was in trouble for so long before it

That sounds like one which turned out to be the fault of the maker of
the plane (Boeing).

Sorry, I don't remember any more details. Anyone else?

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Happy owner of a new Mitsubishi Expo.
From: lefty@apple.com (Lefty)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Threats and Name-calling
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:38:27 GMT
Organization: Our Lady of Heavy Artillery

In article <1992Oct14.205845.3480@cascade.Stanford.EDU>,
king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) wrote:
> 
> 	Lefty and Henry:  Your postings are disgraceful.  No one is 
> 	expected to remember every source/author/title off the top of 
> 	their head and you have NO right to call someone a liar for 
> 	failing to do so.  It brings to mind little boys shrieking,  
> 	"Liar, Liar, Pants on fire!!"   GROW UP.

First off, I would like you to reproduce the posting in which I called Eric
a liar.

Secondly, if you're going to spend any amount of time on the net, you would
be well-advised to learn that if you make an assertion you should be
prepared to back it up with evidence.  Someone else posting "I saw it too"
does not constitute evidence.

I am appalled that a fine institution of learning such as Stanford has
apparently fallen to a state where I should have to advise its inmates of
such completely straightforward facts of life as these.

By the way, I'm still waiting for Mr. Perozziello to substantiate his
accusation that Gov. Clinton admitted to having had an extramarital affair.

Thirdly, if you'd like to discuss threats, I would be more than happy to
post the extremely amusing piece of email from Mr. Perozziello in which he
made several oblique threats, as well as a direct statement that there
might be "reprocussions" following from my article.

> 	Henry and Lefty call	people liars when they disagree.

I would like you to substantiate this accusation or retract it, publically.

> 	PEOPLE, IF YOU'RE TOO IMMATURE OR OTHERWISE INCAPABLE OF
> 	BEHAVING CIVILLY THEN DON'T READ THE NET.

A piece of advice you and your thin-skinned buddy Mr. Perozziello would be
well-advised to take yourselves.

--
Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.
From: fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Threats and Name-calling
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:28:12 GMT
Organization: Protocol Engines Incorporated

In article <1992Oct15.203620.13005@cascade.Stanford.EDU> king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.231332.20642@pei.com> fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott) writes:
>>The trouble is, it's generally accepted that if a person makes an assertion,
>>it's that person who has to back it up with hard data.  Why should those of
>>differing opinions be forced to prove the opposite just because someone
>>happened to make an assertion?
>>
>>That you happened to see the same article tends to substaniate Eric's
>>position but it still isn't sufficient.  Both of you may have misread
>>the meaning of the data - i.e., it may not be saying what you claim
>
>
>You're not addressing the point of my posting, which is the immature
>behavior of certain people on this net.  Do you feel it's OK to call
>people liars, as Lefty and Henry did?  To threaten to come over and
>shoot them as Eric Brunner did?  Probably not.  

I don't care to comment on that because I don't have access to their posts
at this point.  It just seemed to me that their frustration began as a
result of what I was complaining about, although I would not condone anyone
getting overly personal their flames.  People should stick to the subject
when they post.

>Would you like to formalize a rule, beginning right now, that NOTHING you
>say, zip, zero, zilch, is allowed unless you have at your disposal a
>traceable, documented, numbered, ID'd publicaton?  And if you slip and refer
>to anything, you're called a liar?

No, that's not what I was trying to say at all.  There's a difference between
representing something as your opinion and as documented fact.  When Eric
trotted out his reference to the magazine article, he was attempting to
document a somewhat controversial opinion of his (that American airlines are
safer than Japanese airlines) as fact.  When he does this, he then has a
responsibility to prove it by giving reference to the exact article.
Otherwise, he should revert to identifying it as opinion (e.g., "IMHO") or at
least simply admitted outright that he'd thought he'd read it somewhere but
couldn't prove it.  I don't think he did that.

Fred
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
From: brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner)
Subject: Re: Attractive Nuisances (Was: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions)
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:50:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.050430.23565@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

[in response to Phil's reply to some hopeless case living some place where
 cyanotic-kids-in-the-pool means just another call to the pool cleaning
 service, omitted.]

>OK, I throw in the towel.  A once-proud and philosophical libertarian
>has tossed his values in favor of "effective" and "reasonable" aims.

While you are at it, toss in the rest of your linen, you've been posting
to misc.kids what can only be charitably described as political cant.
You get 10 points for proving Phil is an abject failure to pass the
litmus test for being a good <insert sect-based-upon-exclusion-here>,
and lose 1 point, or your first born, which ever you value least, for
playing one-ups-person-ship in misc.kids. You do know how to use a news
reader don't you?


-- 
Eric Brunner Tule Network Services
uucp: uunet!practic!brunner
trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.

Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: US workers more productive.
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 22:06:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.211632.1832@odin.corp.sgi.com> pal@wpd.sgi.com writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.191954.12327@cascade.Stanford.EDU>, eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>|> In article <1992Oct14.231547.20734@pei.com> fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott) writes:
>|> >
>|> >Note that "Free Trade" is hostile to the concept of "buy American" (or
>|> >any other country, for that matter) propaganda campaigns.
>|> >
>|> 
>|> I think the point being made is that the Japanese aren't practicing 
>|> Free Trade.  The claim is that they are producing "less efficient"
>|> workers since they are selling in a protected market.
>
>Yes, so what should we in the US do?  Practice "Free Trade" and have
>efficient industries as a result, or practice protectionism ("buy
>American") and have inefficient industries?
>
>I (and many of the other people in this group) have been arguing for
>the former, but you seem to have been arguing for the latter.  Are we
>to take it that you now support the practice of Free Trade because it
>leads to efficient industries, or that you still support protection,
>despite the fcat that it leads to inefficient industries?
>

Not Exactly. I am Pro-Free Trade. But only if BOTH/ALL sides
do the same.  Perhaps some pressure from the US would help 
bring us to a level playing field.  Others think there are
different ways to deal with it. Yet others think there isn't
a problem.

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