From: oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Comments (was Re: Are Algerian people ARABIC ?????)
Date: 8 Sep 92 09:25:57 GMT
Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France
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malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95) writes:
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:        I believe that the borders in the Islamic and ESPECIALLY ARABIC
:        states are artificial. The problem of minorities arises only
:        if "Arab" is taken as an identifier out of its Islamic meaning.
:        Otherwise even the Arab Christians know that the best treatment
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:        they can get in the Arab World IS under the true implementation
:        of ISLAM.
  Well, as an Arab Christian i have a couple of comments. To be fair, Arab 
Christians didn't suffer of "persecution" under the successive Islamic
goverments which ruled the so-called Arab world. But they did suffer from
descrimination, and believe me, all those fanatics who targeted religious
minorities (not only Christians & Jews, you might consider other "chismatic" 
Muslims, like Druze, Alawits, Ismaeilis, and such) pretended to apply "true 
implementation of Islam". I'll give few examples of what might not be considered
as an act of persecution, but be quite sure that it leaves a feeling of
humiliation and descrimination that can hardly be forgotten. Consider the 
confiscation and transformation of our churches to mosques. Consider the taxes
that non-Muslims had to pay as a "Jeziah", even poor people were obliged to
pay it (while poor Muslims aren't obliged to pay Zakat). Consider the complete
exclusion of non-Muslims from the administrative and political power, the last
figure of non-Muslim presence is St-John of Damascus, who was the minister of
the Khalif Abdul-Malek Ibn Marwan. He lost his job when the Khalif issued a law
that all state jobs should be accessible to Muslims only.
  Well, in all what i said there are no "massacres", no "cold blood killing",
no direct persecution. But a long, long and patient process of pressure and
intimidiation that hardly anyone can accept. Now, is this "true" Islam or not?,
i really don't know, but it was the situation for almost 1200 years out of 1300.
  And when you speak about a political system, you need to analyse the results
of this system in order to give an opinion. And unfortunately, i'll say that
we were simply ignored for 1300 centuries, it's a FACT that noone can deny.
Please don't come with any argument like "Islam doesn't teach so and so", because
these arguments are worthless. Women have a hell of life in our societies and 
instead of recognition of the abuse and admitting it as a FACT, all what we have
is an apology and evasive arguments. Let's get serious, wake up and look around
us, WE ARE IN A MESS. Is it too much for our Muslims fellows to understand that
religion is a personal matter, and that you have no right to impose your belief
AND LAWS on others (including those who are called Muslims but don't wanna be
but has no choice ?).

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: 	Anisa> but we are all brothers (and sisters), right?
:         
:         right.
	I hope so.
: 
: --
:  Malek.
:  
:  "We cooperate in what we agree on, and forgive each other for that
:   in which we disagree." Hassan El Banna.

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