From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: "democratic" Estonia
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:56:30 GMT

bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
: Some ramblings, not quite on with subject...
: 
: And about Estonia - little Finland was able to withstand Stalin,
: Estonia didn't make a try.

Well there was a difference however, Finland had 1939 4 millions of
inhabitants and Estonia c. 1 million. Finland has an army, about Estonia
I do not know, in generally the Estonians believed what Stalin promised,
Stalin asked first just bases for his army. From Finland he wanted some areas
around Leningrad.
: 
: But real point is - how many Estonians are there, how many other 
: nation peoples, what's different nation's population density in 
: different places, what's average time other nations' people lived
: in Estonia, how intelligent Estonians (as current rulers)
: consider themselves and would like to be considered in the world,
: how avanturistique (definitely wring spelling :-) are current
: government and opposition and how far nationalistic leaders
: on both sides (really more then 2 sides - I believe there
: are a lot of Poles at least, and then that eternal Jews)
: are ready to go, and so on, etc, etc....
: 
: 	-igor

There are c. 1 million estonians in Estonia and c. 600 000 other nationalities.
The major part of the latter are russians and they and their ancestors
have come to Estonia after 1945. Before 1940 there was a tiny russian
minority in Estonia. Ther are not many poles  or jews in Estonia.
The predominanty minorities are russian, followed by ukrainians, belorussians,
caucasian people and there is even a Finnish minority group who were
expelled from the Leningrad area 1940's, called  ingrians.

And see how different policy Finland and Russia have!!! Finland has
given a FREE ENTRY for the Finns from Estonia (and Russia) as homereturning
Finns even if they are not born in Finland.
 But what do russians  in a similar question, they
play politics with russian minority. That is the predominant difference
between Finland and Russia's policy in this question. 
 
 You cannot say "there are not so many
Finns in Estonia as russians", because then you forget how huge country
Russia or Ukraina is compared to Finland. So you see how dirty game the rus-
sians play in Estonia and some people on this net are participating in it 
.

The border between Estonia and Russia is leaking all the time. The first
people of whom the estonians would like to get rid of are the criminals
coming from CIS, who can now move quite freely around, in and out.

One reason why estonians want borders is economical but an other is
visa politics. For instance Finland will not allow free travel from 
Estonia until there is not clear borders, controlled borders
around Estonia, because Finland has a policy not allow free travel
from Russia to Finland not either via Estonia. So the estonians
have among the other motivations this one, not concerning specially
Finland but also other countries too. The foreign countries cannot give
a visa freedom for the estonians until no one knows who is estonian,
an estonian citizen. This one aspect in the game.
At least in Finland is suspected that if there were a visa freedom
from Estonia in generally it were used as a loop hole to come to
Finland. Why Finland has such a tight policy is simpy the problems
what tourism has caused already from Russia in Finland. Well,
Finnish vodka tourists cause problems in Russia.
Regards,
Jarmo Ryyti




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