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From: satan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matt Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: POLITICLA ANIMAL
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:27:52 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <C1829I.M06@news.cso.uiuc.edu> euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.) writes:
>  Here's a question that's probably more along the line of what Matt was
>asking in the first place:  Why is malice?  That is, what gives rise to
>gratuitous nastiness?  
>
>euclid


Neato!  To think...all this from one of my posts of probably two weeks
ago (typo still in the subject line and all). Hell, i don't even 
remember the specifics of the post.  

And, not to mention, i was referred to as 'matt', rather than 'satan.'

I'd have to say this is different. 

I think euclid kinda has the right idea about what i was talking about,
but it was more like this ( or was meant to be more like this...)


People are political animals - that means people need people to survive.
Yet, in general we treat eachother like shit and make our lives and
others' live miserable.  I really don't understand we are so fucking
incapable - actually there are many reasons to come to mind, but...

euclid describes it as malice or gratuitious nastiness - that's part of
it, but it doesn't have to be gratuitous and sometimes i think it
doesn't even have to be *intentionally* malicious...

but its confusing all the same

to hell with it ( i  mean why not, i have to deal with it somewhere,
right?)...besides i gotta go to class


-satan




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From: megazone@lektroid.WPI.EDU (MegaZone)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Suicide is painless?
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:16:14 GMT
Organization: WPI Discordian Society, Undocumented Cabal
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In article <1993Jan27.185425.21871@prime.mdata.fi> kennu@mits.mdata.fi (Kenneth Falck) writes:
>I wonder who was it that made a song called `Suicide is painless'?
>The one I mean was in the movie M.A.S.H...

Through the magic of DAT... Saved long ago, I now bring back...

Here are the words to "Suicide is Painless", by (I think) John Mandel.
Copyright around 1970, I presume.

Through early morning fog I see
Visions of the things to be
The pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see that

Chorus:	Suicide is painless
	It brings on many changes
	And I can take or leave it if I please

I try to find a way to make
All our little joys relate
Without that ever-present hate
But now I know that it's too late, and  (chorus)

The game of life is hard to play
I'm going to lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
So this is all I have to say, that  (chorus)

The only way to win is cheat
And lay it down before I'm beat
And to another give my seat
For that's the only painless feat.  (chorus)

The sword of time will pierce our skins
It doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger; watch it grin! and  (chorus)

A brave man once requested me
To answer questions that are key
Is it to be or not to be
Oh I replied, oh why ask me? 'cause  (chorus)

And you can do the same thing if you please

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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Cool Book!
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:25:08 GMT

Unpleasant Ways to Die, by Elan Fleisher
St.Martin's Press, c1989

---
Richard Stueven		Der Herr Buergermeister gibt bekannt, dass ab
gak@wrs.com		Donnerstag Bier gebraut wird und deshalb ab
attmail!gakhaus!gak	Mittwoch nicht mehr in den Bach geschissen
107/H/3&4		werden darf.
From: rcosby@bcm.tmc.edu (Randy C. Cosby)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: How long??
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:08:15 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <1993Jan22.142706@p4.cs.man.ac.uk>, coultasp@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Pete Coultas) writes:
> I wonder if anybody has been keep track of how long people have been mailing to 
> alt.suicide.holiday? Do people suddenly stop mailing, if so, what happens to them....
> 
> Pete.
> (no intension of stopping).

Pete,   

Gee, if they are serios.... whaddya think?   

Truth is they probably.....

A. Sucessfully blew their useless brains out.

B. Ran out of money to log on.

C. Are in a mental hospital

D. Got over it.

E. All of the above?

Coz.

	"Put out the light...."
		Teddy Roosevelt's last words
From: szikopou@alfred.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: failure
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:46:28 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

In <1993Jan27.040518.10418@umr.edu> S106495@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:

>      One more thing I have to say:
>I don't care what anyone says, I don't care who disagrees with me, I d'ont
>care what they think of it, there is one thing I cannot emphasize enought:

>IT IS OK TO FAIL!

>In case you missed it the first time:

>IT IS OK TO FAIL!

>Try it as often as you like.  We are only human, and we LEARN from our mistakes
>.
>as a corollary, it is almost certainly ok to be upset to.  It is a very human
>and natural thing to do sometimes, and it is never your fault or weakness.

Although I know this at an intelletual level...for some reason I don't
live my life that way.  I'd be a lot better off if I could take my own
adivce.

I think you're right.  Thanks for the post

Steve Z
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Some good reading...
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:31:02 GMT

	I was going to wait to mention this in one of the various files,
but I might forget by then...

	I know a book was published in the past few months covering all the
fine details of forensic medicine.  Included in the book are descriptions
of all sorts of decay rates for bodies found in various places.  Since the
title slips my mind now, I'll try and look it up tomorrow at work (and
people wonder why I enjoy working at an independent bookstore so much).

	It might be called _Bones_ but I'll have to check... that might
be a different book on finding dead bodies.

	How does this relate to suicide? I'm not sure if it includes info 
signs of poisioning but it does include some useful info for those of us
who would like to have some control over our bodies after death (like 
flies will lay eggs on your eyes in an average of ten minutes after death --
so tape your eyes shut or wear glasses that completely enclose your eyes
if you plan to not be found for a few days in the non-winter months).

	Hope you weren't eating anything....

	If/when I track down the book, I'll try to include the info in
a seperate file (I think it would be just a little to gross to post even here).
Of course, it will probably be several months before I get around to doing
that.  =P

	Echo W. Who 
-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu / 'finger' both accounts for 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    / more information...
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From: geomorph@leland.Stanford.EDU (Bayard Wenzel)
Subject: Re: Is it a human right to kill oneself?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 07:13:26 GMT


"It's just wroung."

This is a very odd argument. Of course ther is no logical foundation behind it.
What I'm referring to though is the fact that a poster was commenting that
"It's just wroung." is a commonly used argument against suicide and at the same
time he was saying it's alright to do every thing to oneself as long as one
does no harm to others. This is the odd part, is it just wroung too to do harm
to others? There is no right or wroung unless there is a goal or an objective.
In the case of most humans, the main objective is to survive as long as one
can. In this case of course it is counter productive to harm other people, one
would get thrown in jail or worse if caught! What I'mtrying to say is that yes,
we do feel bad when we harm other people, but this is just a social safe guard.
We have been bred and have evolved to feel that way. Another argument that is
commonly used is "What gives you the right!?!??!". Well, nothing gives me the
right to do anything, the right was always there, there was nothing to give.
The point if somebody doesn't get it still is that we create our rights in 
order to ensure our own survival. We limit ourselves automatically. There are
no natural human rights. They are artificial, that's all.

Geomorph.

P.S.: The reason I posted this is not to enlighten you, but to please myself
and raise my ego so I will feel happy and good. After all feeling happy and
good is MY main objective.
From: kennu@mits.mdata.fi (Kenneth Falck)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Suicide is painless?
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:54:25 GMT
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland

I wonder who was it that made a song called `Suicide is painless'?
The one I mean was in the movie M.A.S.H...

-- 
kennu@mits.mdata.fi
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From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: failure
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:45:20 GMT

In article <ogorman.728166584@unix1.tcd.ie> ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (lucifuge) writes:
>I have to admit to a small peeve with this one...if you do fail twice
>you have no right to be classified as human. You are most certainly not
>learning from your mistakes. You should consider a career in politics.

or as a telemarketer.

-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                    brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
"Compared to my life, the last man on a chain gang is thoroughly
enjoying himself."                   __Holiday__ by Philip Barry
From: crimson@bernoulli.WPI.EDU (Jesus Christ on XTC)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: How long??
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:44:35 GMT
Organization: Russell Street UN*X Consultations
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X-Coffee-of-the-Day: JBM...but you know that already.

megazone@coal.WPI.EDU (MegaZone) writes:
>I get a lot of email, questions, requests for advice, conversation,
>'fan mail', etc... 
advantage to 'dropping off' for a while; they go away.
I rather like a bit spoken by lou reed:
   "[paraphrase] the only way to be truly without bias or prejudice is to
    hate everyone all the time"

it is easy to hate oneself...

>I've never posted anon, and don't plan to. If I can't stand openly behind
>what I say I don't say it. 
...and sometimes it's really hard to hate others.

a rougher, more caustic 
   joe

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From: dante@microsoft.com (five-cornered drone)
Subject: Re: Hydrogen Cyanide
Date: 22 Jan 93 06:37:03 GMT
Organization: the velvet sweatshop

megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone) writes:
|KCN is also used by photographers, I think in film developing. Anyway, my
|roomie has a large amount of KCN. I think it was in the 'pounds of it'
|range.

Unfortunately the photographic stuff (at least the Kodak
and other more widely available brands) is pretty safe.
You can scarf a whole jar and never so much as belch,
let alone die.

There is an outfit out in Montana (sorry, don't have
the address) that sells chemicals to photogs who want
to make their own...check ads in photo mags...don't
know whether or not they sell the real stuff though.

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From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (lucifuge)
Subject: Re: failure
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:29:44 GMT

In <1993Jan27.040518.10418@umr.edu> S106495@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:

>      One more thing I have to say:
>I don't care what anyone says, I don't care who disagrees with me, I d'ont
>care what they think of it, there is one thing I cannot emphasize enought:

>IT IS OK TO FAIL!

Quite right. I applaud this sentiment. If you get it wrong first time,
you'll know to use more explosive/height/cyanide next. Of course you
need a serious lack of the old grey matter to fail once which in turn
implies that you are simply wasting carbon and have no right to pass on
your genes and that it is no longer merely an option but your MORAL DUTY
to rid this planet of your pathetic squalid and pus soaked existence.

Ah...feel better...eat now.
 
>Try it as often as you like.  We are only human, and we LEARN from our mistakes
>as a corollary, it is almost certainly ok to be upset to.  It is a very human
>and natural thing to do sometimes, and it is never your fault or weakness.

I have to admit to a small peeve with this one...if you do fail twice
you have no right to be classified as human. You are most certainly not
learning from your mistakes. You should consider a career in politics.

Lucifuge....

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From: column@maths.tcd.ie (colum reilly)
Subject: A coward's choice!
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:25:36 GMT

 Any time I seem to bring up the subject of suicide in a conversation, people
either shut up or remark that only a coward would kill himself.
 This statment has been troubling me since my childhood days, as I always 
thought that you would have to be pretty brave to kill yourself. When you think about it a person who kills himself is taking a blind leap of faith into the
unknown and forsaking all that they know and love.  They could even end up in a situation twice as bad as the one they are in now . So how could somebody say   such a thing.

 If anybody has insight into this subject could they please mail me.

                     colum@maths,tcd,ie.
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From: dips@aurora (Deeptendu Majumder)
Subject: Re: A coward's choice
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:01:04 GMT
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eln118w@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr YC Yap) writes:
: 
: 
: These are just my opinion. Please feel free to comment.
: 

Well, we human beings are not equal...

My opinion is; the best thing you can do is not to judge the person
who passed away..rather preach your wisdom to yourself..lest you do
the same some day...just in case..
We are not often as strong as think we are..
We all have our Achilles (sp?) heel..there is no telling when something
or someone might go for it..

d.
From: megazone@coal.WPI.EDU (MegaZone)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: How long??
Date: 23 Jan 1993 22:25:14 GMT
Organization: WPI Discordian Society, Undocumented Cabal
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In article <1993Jan23.125357.28663@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>	an ASH tracking service... I don't really like that...

If you post a lot on any group expect that if you suddenly stop someone will
email a 'where are you?' message. It's happened to me on lots of groups.
People get used to you posting and when you stop its noticable.

>(kinda weird having your own little fan club based on ASH posts... still
>can't figure out what I think of mine) and writing them 'where are you'

I take everything in stride. If I thought it was special I'd have to beat
my ego back into its hole. Paladin, you know what it's like to be famous,
right? :-) I get a lot of email, questions, requests for advice, conversation,
'fan mail', etc... And I take each piece on its own merits and I make a point
of replying to nearly everything I get. I'm really happy that others like 
what I write, and of course I like to hear it. I also like to receive
criticism to help me improve. But in the end I still write for my own reasons.

>	It's going to get incredibly hard to track people once more
>anon posts are made (esp for one-shot posters).

I've never posted anon, and don't plan to. If I can't stand openly behind
what I say I don't say it. I can understand why some people need the added
protection. For instance, women posting personals. There are far too many
jerks on the nets. Many of my friends have been harrassed by email amours
who don't know what 'go away' means. And they didn't post ads, just happened
to be women on the nets. Some people get monitored by their emloyer, etc...
Ah, the information age...

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: How long??
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:34:52 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1993Jan22.142706@p4.cs.man.ac.uk> coultasp@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Pete Coultas) writes:
>I wonder if anybody has been keep track of how long people have been mailing to 
>alt.suicide.holiday? Do people suddenly stop mailing, if so, what happens to them....
>
>Pete.
>(no intension of stopping).

Surely it must be obvious............:(
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From: S106495@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: failure
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:01:20 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

      One more thing I have to say:
I don't care what anyone says, I don't care who disagrees with me, I d'ont
care what they think of it, there is one thing I cannot emphasize enought:

IT IS OK TO FAIL!

In case you missed it the first time:

IT IS OK TO FAIL!

Try it as often as you like.  We are only human, and we LEARN from our mistakes
.
as a corollary, it is almost certainly ok to be upset to.  It is a very human
and natural thing to do sometimes, and it is never your fault or weakness.
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From: gdenkins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Grant Denkinson)
Subject: Re: Cool Book!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: Unpleasant Ways to Die, by Elan Fleisher
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:33:28 GMT

Agreed, one of the best books I have seen.
 


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Violence of Truth

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From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.)
Subject: Re: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:22:39 GMT

Actually, his post struck me as classic flame-bait....and i have more
interesting things to do than give him what he wants.
Golly, but my Kill-file is getting a tad plump.  

euclid


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YOUR WILL IS AS FREE AS YOUR SOUL.  Question is, do you have a soul???
"It will be generally found that those who sneer habitually at human nature
and affect to despise it, are among its worst and least pleasant examples"
                                     ----Charles Dickens
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From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (the philosophy coroner)
Subject: Re: POLITICLA ANIMAL
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:13:03 GMT

In article <1k6qk5INN7jm@bigboote.WPI.EDU>
mtspace@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matt Murphy) writes:
 
>crimson@bernoulli.WPI.EDU (Jesus Christ on XTC) writes:
>>prove your existance. you have the rest of the so-called life. worth 10
>>points.
>
>To whom?
>
    Why, to yourself.  Who else??!?     8-P
euclid
   "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty,
and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life--so I became a scientist.
This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." --Matt Cartmill
 
Euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
standard disclaimers apply
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Sunday, 24 Jan 1993 06:32:02 EST
From: David Silberstein <DASBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: A coward's choice!

Nonsense.

As far as I know, it isn't FEAR that fuels the suicidal explosion, it is PAIN
and DESPAIR and (sometimes) RAGE. It was fear of dying (among other things)
that prevented me from going ALL the WAY. Next time such uncomprehending
people  speak of suicide as an act of COWARDICE, ask them if sticking
a GUN in your mouth and pulling the trigger, knowing DAMN WELL that
the you are trying to BLOW your BRAINS out and EXTINGUISH your existence
FOREVER because existence is UNBEARABLE (for whatever reason) is an act
of FEAR. Ask them to DEFINE fear.


Foo.

I haven't attempted to commit suicide recently, or felt suicidal for a while.
I feel - sane. Most of the time. But deep within my brain, IT lurks. And IT
may REAWAKEN someday and DEMAND my destruction. Til then, I keep smiling.....
it keeps people from worrying
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Possible FAQ entry
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:46:19 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

I was going to suggest the phone number of the Samaritans (UK anonymous 
phone agency intended largely for the suicidal) but they have 5 numbers in 
the Manchester area alone.  So maybe just mention that they're there, it's 
anonymous (you may wish to use a callbox though), and they're in the phone
book

            All creatures will make merry   (on pain of death)
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033  
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From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Subject: Here we go again 
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:17:42 GMT

Well, I'm back in normal weekend mode.  I blew off my work the last
few days because the weather was so nice (sunny & near 70) that I had
to enjoy it, but now that we're back in the 50's, I decided I was
going to do homework this weekend...  Yeah right.

What I ended up doing was sitting in my house and getting depressed.
(Gee, maybe that's why I'm posting here... :@$ )  It just sucks knowing
that once my Friday class ends I won't see another soul until my
Monday class.  I end up sitting by the phone willing it to ring.  (It
worked on Friday... but it was only a telemarketer...)  So I get
myself so worked up that here it is, Sunday night, and I've done 1 1/2
problems all weekend...

Oh well, I think I'll go back home and listen to Hejira (by Joni
Mitchell).  A wonderful album, should be in every ASHer's collection.

-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg- King of the ellipses
       (dsteinbe@emmy.nmsu.edu)
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