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                          THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                               Issue # 2590

                           Friday, April 17, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                           Blink Talk Digest # 559

                          braille magazine shipping
                              JAILHOUSE BLINKS
                          braille magazine shipping
                      Re: Using Word Perfect with Vert
                           Exception dictionaries
                               Re: depression
                             Re: DOG GUIDE RULES
                             Re: DOG GUIDE RULES
                          Anybody who is deaf-blin
                          Re: HAM RADIO SCHEMATICS


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Subject: braille magazine shipping
From: Paul.Migliorelli@p1.f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Migliorelli)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/203.1 - The Shop Mail Only, Flushing NY


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I've found myself getting perplexed lately after coming across
several recent editions of magazines I get.  I'm hoping someone
working in braille production could explain this way of thinking.
I have seen issues of Washington Post BOOKWORLD arriving from
National Braille Press, and Braille Book Review coming from Braille
International, arriving in rather huge boxes.  Sometimes BookWorld
is embossed in 2 rather thin parts, (of about 117 pages total).
Why, if NBP is producing Dialogue in 1 part, and fitting it into an
envelope, are they not consolidating a BookWorld issue into 1 part
and shipping it in an envelope as well.  When Associated Services
produced Braille Book Review, I distinctly remember it showing up
in an envelope.  Granted, people say thinner publications are less
bulky  for overall handling.  And, of course, things arrive in
envelopes quite often looking like they were eaten and spit out
before delivery.  I certainly can see all these points, and I
always am on the lookout for a good box to use as a shipping
carton.  Magazine boxes *do indeed come in handy for UPS and other
send outs.  I don't mean to complain or ramble, but as I say, my
curiosity is peaked.  What is the true criteria, if any, that
causes many thin multi-parted publications to be shipped in huge
boxes????

Sorry for all of this not making any sense.  I've been up 27 hours or so.
Time for bed.  I'll check in later.
'night all!!!!

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Subject: JAILHOUSE BLINKS
From: Steve.Matzura@f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Matzura)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/203 - The Shop Mail Only, Flushing NY


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 > A blind ***look-out man???

Sure, why not?  Who better to hear the sound of woo-woo-woo coming
down the block, or who better to know where to listen on his
scanner to hear talk about them coming???  Remind me to tell you
some time about my own little descent into crime with two sighted
friends.  They left me in the car with my mother's "Invalid Coach"
sticker in the front windshield so they wouldn't get towed away,
and we all had HT220 radios and I had the Bearcat 250 scanner
running off the car battery listening to the local fuzz ... I'm not
proud of this, mind you, but I'm just reporting on it to let you
know that, in fact, these things do happen.

Steve Matzura

Via: FrontDoor 2.02

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Subject: braille magazine shipping
From: Steve.Matzura@f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Matzura)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/203 - The Shop Mail Only, Flushing NY


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 > complain or ramble, but as I say, my curiosity is peaked.  What is
 > the true criteria, if any, that causes many thin multi-parted
 > publications to be shipped in huge boxes????

More importantly, what is the criteria for going from a one-part to
a two-part print-out of a magazine?  I've seen single parts of up
to 120 pages, why should these, totalling less than that, be forced
into two parts?  Then you get those extra blank sheets at the back
of the part that totally wig me out--that sheet coulda been
eliminated totally, and if you count that one sheet times ten
thousand a week or month, you're adding up to significant trees
here.

 > Sorry for all of this not making any sense.  I've been up 27 hours or
 > so.
 > Time for bed.  I'll check in later.

<Yawn>

Steve Matzura

Via: FrontDoor 2.02

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Subject: Re: Using Word Perfect with Vert
From: Jerry.Berrier@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jerry Berrier)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

     I use WP5.1 with Vert Plus, and it seems to work okay with no
     modifications at all.  I guess it must be different with older
     versions of software.  By the way, I also use Q And A, a database
     management and word processor program, and I find it much more
     useful and much easier to use than Word Perfect.  It does not have
     anywhere near the variety of word processing features that Word
     Perfect has, but it has more than I will ever use.  I mostly use
     the word processor to write letters and to document activities, and
     it works great for that.

... WB3BBP, 79.9 Degrees West, 40.44 Degrees North.

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Subject: Exception dictionaries
From: Eric.Bohlman@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Bohlman)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

If your screen reader supports an exception dictionary (or if your
synthesizer has a utility to support one), how are you using it?
About how many words do you typically define?  Do you prefer to
define exceptions interactively, or to use a word processor to
create a file of exceptions?  What do you or don't you like about
the way your system works?  If you could specify the ideal
exception dictionary system, what would it be?

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Subject: Re: depression
From: Jerry.Berrier@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jerry Berrier)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Yes, there are certainly lots of things he can do, but you said
something significant when you said that he gets bored easily if the job
does not suit him or seems to be beneath his talents.  It sounds like
his attitudes are the major part of his problems, and it sounds also
like he may be in dyre need of some professional counseling for
depression.

I have a friend who is totally blind who runs a business doing
interpreting and document translation for corporations, so she is
able to put her language skills to good use.  There are things to
be done, but you have to want to do them.  That desire is hard to
instill in a person who does not have it or has lost it.  I can
assure you of one thing, though, enabling him to continue to sit on
his butt will not help anyone.  It sounds like you are a strong
person but are about to let the weak drag you right down the sewer,
and that will not help anyone.

I went for a year once without working, and I began to give up
at that point, so I know that you fall into a state of
lethargy after a while, but it sounds like this guy needs some
vigorous help from a counselor or psychologist and a good kick
in the pants from you.

Good luck.

... WB3BBP, 79.9 Degrees West, 40.44 Degrees North.

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Subject: Re: DOG GUIDE RULES
From: Dan.Kysor@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Kysor)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11 - The Broken Rose BBS, Sacramento CA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

well we're not disagreeing on this one for you stated you needed
obedience at first with your pooch and as I said that i feel it's
necessary occasionally but no one can disagree that the major guide
dog schools throughout the u.s. toute obedience and i agree.  i
have seen myself improvements in the dog's performance after a
while not using obedience and reminding the pooch by using
obedience.  i agree there are some dogs who don't need obedience as
much but it's a handy tool and no dog is perfect and as a long time
guide dog user, i know that the dog i have now is more the
exception than the rule in terms of his willingness and love of
working with me in terms of not needing obedience as much as other
dogs i've had.

i have found through my experience it's better to remember the
basics from class instruction regarding these dogs than to drop
the  foundation.  dan

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Subject: Re: DOG GUIDE RULES
From: Vixen@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Vixen)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11 - The Broken Rose BBS, Sacramento CA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi,

I know that with Toby, obediance sessions most definitely affect
the way he works.

Without regular obediance, Toby will work just fine and just about
always do what he is supposed to do. However, he will tend to be
more reactive to doggie distractions and more interested in meeting
other humans while out and around in the world.

When we do regular obediance sesssions, Toby becomes much less
interested in doggie distractions and seems to do his work with a
more deliberate seriousness. Corrections for any reason become
almost unnecessary.

Toby really loves his harness and going out to work and I have'nt
found that an increase in obediance takes any of the fun out of his
work. So, I do obediance two to three times a week with an
occassional miss. But I Have always found that increasing
obedicance will get Tobys mind back on his work should he become
too interested in other doggies.

Ray, from Guide Dogs, told me that they know most students won't
keep up with regular daily obediance but hope that will do our
sessions at least two or three times per week.

During illness, I once did'nt bother with obediance for three
weeks. Toby worked just fine. However, going back to obediance, I
found that we worked together even more impressively.

I like dialy obediance. Toby does too,every night he says, "whip
me, beat me, make me write back checks!":

Keepin' the faith!

.                           Vixen

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Subject: Anybody who is deaf-blin
From: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Freeman)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/126 - Lawson & Reay, Vancouver WA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi, Bill.

Even among those who were *always* deaf and blind, how well they
function depends upon the individual.  Consider, for example, Kathleen
(Casey) Speare, now residing in Pennsylvania.  She was always profoundly
deaf-blind; many thought her retarded until she was twelve or so.  She
speaks very understandably, can sign in SEE, AMSLAN and straight
fingerspelling, can handle print-in-palm and is a *very* fast Braille
reader.  Consider also Gayle Sabonaitis; she does computer work via
refreshable Braille displays and has her ham license, among other
things.  She also is a good Braille reader.  I also believe Robert
Smithdas does well.
     However, you are correct; many deaf-blind individuals do not
function as well.  It is certainly a fact that there is much that they
have never known and the loss of two of the primary senses makes
deaf-blindness much more than a nuisance.  It is also true that for many
deaf-blind persons, social intercourse becomes a serious and difficult
undertaking.  My only point is that how well deaf-blind individuals
function is as unique as the individual.

Perhaps the deaf-blind should speak for themselves in this matter.  We
with hearing or sight certainly cannot speak from experience.  Hello,
Gayle, do you read this echo?

-Mike <K7UIJ>-
... ** "I think my learning curve is a circle." -- David Andrews **
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Subject: Re: HAM RADIO SCHEMATICS
From: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Freeman)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/126 - Lawson & Reay, Vancouver WA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a message to Nancy Feldman <25 Mar 92 16:16> Dan Kysor wrote:

 DK> the scematics portion of the technicians class license is
 DK> waved in testing... it's unrealistic to expect us to learn,
 DK> have the testing candidate contact their examiner and make
 DK> sure they understand this... dan n 6 i k c

Whoa there, Dan!

I vehemently disagree with you.  In college physics labs, I learned to
read raised electronics diagrams (my father as a reader wasn't all that
good at describing them).  I also learned to understand diagrams from
the verbal descriptions as given in Bob Gunderson's Braille Technical
Press and now in the Smith-Kettlewell Technical File.  When I took the
tests, I'd ask my reader questions about the diagrams and glean enough
info from judicious questioning to identify the circuits and answer the
questions.  It most certainly *is* realistic to expect blind prospective
hams to understand schematics and to be able to answer questions on
them.  BTW, had an Electricity and Magnetism physics proff whom you
could just hand a diagram and he could read it off verbally -- without
rehearsals.  Wish I could clone him about fifty times.

Perhaps the skill of understanding diagrams verbally is no longer taught
(what-say, Maureen Pranghofer?) but, given the Technical File's
existence, there must still be a few of us that can follow them.  And,
as long as one doesn't clutter up the diagrams overly much, raised
diagrams are perfectly comprehensible, IMHO.

It seems to me that by asking for waivers, we play right into the hands
of those who would take away -- albeit from the best of motives -- the
one really neat thing about blind hams -- the fact that we got into the
hobby on a basis of equality -- no special exceptions, etc.  We were
allowed to compete on terms of equality.  The QRQ code waiver is the
first step in eroding this status of equality, IMHO.  First-class
citizenship isn't necessarily a picnic!

-Mike <K7UIJ>-
... *The National Federation of the Blind is changing what it means to be
 blind.*
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