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From: sture@lulea.trab.se (Sture Jonsson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: More FWWM comments (Spoilers...)
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:16:44 GMT
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2609cowend@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
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: >-- The 'person' lying in bed with Laura saying "I'm Annie, I've been with Dale
: >and Laura...." etc. wasn't Annie, it was Ronette. She looked like the actress
: >who plays Ronette (she didn't lok like Heather Graham). She had the same
: >dress that Ronette had at the 'disco'. Am I right or ... ?
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:     Are you sure?  When I saw it, I thought "Wait...is that Annie?" -- but, I
: did not confuse her with Ronette at first, I at first thought it could be
: _Caroline_.  Definately was _not_ Ronette, and since Heather Graham's name was
: listed in the opening credits, I will assume that that truly _was_ Annie.

Well, yes but.... The first time I saw the movie I wondered about what she said
"I'm Annie. I've been with Dale and LAURA". I thought 'hey, what did Annie have
to do with Laura'. Then I also thought 'is that really Heather Graham ?'. I
think she had the wrong haircolour, and didn't have the same 'female body' that
Graham has (she is one of my favourite actresses of the series, so I've been
looking quite a bit at her ;-).

Then the second time I thought her face looked a lot like Ronettes, and then
I noticed the dress Ronette wore at the 'disco' was very similar to the one
'Annie' had in Lauras bed.

Unfortunately I can't see it again, since it is no longer showing at the 
theatres here where I live.

Oh, well, it'll be out on video eventually !

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: >-- In the first part of the movie, Chet Desmond and Sam whatshisname went to a
: >diner. In that diner there was a copule, a middleaged man looking 'like a bum'
: >and a younger girl looking verrrry elegant. The man said something like 'are
: >you asking about the young girl that was murdered'. I got the impression that
: >those folks were from the lodge, or some similar place.
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:      Well, notice however that whenever the film "ventured" into the Lodge,
: one saw the "static", or the evil element briefly.  There was none of this
: in that diner, and the people in there just seemed _stupid_, not diabolically
: strange like in the Lodge.  
:      Notice, _everyone_ in Deer Meadow (or whatever) seemed stupid and 
: belligerent -- not evil -- including the Sheriff that could bend steel, etc.

Yes, I thought that these people looked so wrong together, but as a friend of
mine pointed out: Isn't that quite a lot like Lynch ? People being 'wrong' for
each other, or in the wrong environment etc. So... maybe I'm all wrong !
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:   Just my thoughts...
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Same here !

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: David Eschatfische -- 2609COWEND@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU

/Sture
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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Questions (spoilers)
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:09:28 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Sep1.000831.7920@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, jjc4@po.CWRU.Edu (James J. Campanella) writes:

> Okay, I got the distinct impression that the inhabitants of the Black 
> Lodge "eat" pain and suffering (Garbonsiviaum, not even close, sorry).
> Further, I got the impression that Bob is almost a butcher for the group.
> That he must kill whoever wears that dreaded green ring. Near the end
> of the movie, the dwarf and one-armed man asked for their share of the pain and 
> suffering...
> 2.) Do they *need* to cosume the pain and suffering
> or do they do it for some other reason?
> 3.) When the one-armed man saw the light and became
> "good", he must have stopped consuming pain...

What was the line MIKE spouted about -- "Appetite... fulfillment... a
golden ring of (something).."?
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From: kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Angels (was: Re: more on Gormonbozia (spoilers))
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:10:42 GMT
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jim writes:

>   In article <la87mmINNqfc@news.bbn.com> ingria@BBN.COM writes:
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>   >An angel appears to Ronette and apparently cuts her bonds.  And
>   >Catherine claimed that an angel appeared to her after the mill fire
>   >(in the series).
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>    WoW.  I'm planning to see FWWM a second time, and I'd better see all these
>   scenes I'm reading about here.
>    Is it possible Lynch released 6 slightly different versions of FWWM to the
>   theatres?  An extra scene here, a missing scene there.
>
>   --Jim

I concurr with ingria@BBN.COM that an angel did cut Ronette's bonds.  

And I'm amazed that someone remembered the angel at the mill,
but wasn't Shelly the one who claimed that an angel saved her?
This angel being Catherine?  There could be a number of reasons why Shelly
didn't divulge the identity of the 'Angel'.  

I looked in the timeline and allusions, but the scene isn't described
in great detail.  I'll have to look on tape, unless someone beats me
to it.

Kevin
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From: "r. ramjee" <r..ramjee@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: tp press
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:19:40 EST
Reply-To: "r. ramjee" <r..ramjee@canrem.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

 Greetings.

 Does "Twin Peaks Press" still exist, and if so, do they carry "Twin
Peaks" merchandise at all?  Could anyone provide an address/phone
number?

 Thanks VERY much!

 Ru
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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 12:58:23 -0400 
From: Jeremy Matthew Toeman <jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: FWWM - spoilers...

This is actually a list of questions I have, but will spoil a few things..

(this is also my first entry into the tp bboard, so bear with me...)


1] Was I the only one disturbed by the painting with the door on it? That
was one of the more horrifying things I have ever seen.  In Laura's dream,
when she walked through it, where was she?  Is this a possible entrance to
either of the Lodges?

2] What happens to Chris Isaak? I was expecting to see him later in the
Black Lodge (assuming that is where they ended up later.. I have trouble
distinguishing between the 2..) but he never showed up again.

3] Did they forget to put in a scene of a letter being shoved under the
girls' fingernails?? I *KNOW* they both had them. (Either that, or my
memory is way-screwed)

4] David Bowie - simply a great scene that was probably cut down to <8
minutes of answering SOME questions from the TV show, but had no real place
in the movie. I want more.

5] I will forever picture Lara Flynn Boyle as Donna.  Moira was too..
innocent looking, whereas I pictured Donna as basically innocent, but not
putting that image up. I think Moira did a good job, but it was a bit too
inconsistent for me..

6] Was the one-armed man the guy driving the truck? Didn't he make the same
sound as the short dancing man (dont know his name) as he approached the
Palmers in their Jag?

7] How did both Chris Isaak and then Coop know which trailer to approach?
And what was the significance of the place being rented by the same guy
twice? (and what was that person's name?)

8] What was the significance of the pages that Leland ripped out of Laura's
diary?

9] When Laura said "Fire Walk With Me", why did she become like the
evil-Laura, or however else you'd like to describe that?  And could someone
refresh me of what became of Harold in the show? Did he kill himself or
just leave?

10] DId Leland ever know he was Bob until his final night on the show? If
not, then I found much of this to have been inconsistent, and Bob should
have done more of the fighting/anger scenes..


Great flick.

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From: curtw@euler.jsc.nasa.gov (Curt Wiederhoeft)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Series videos
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:57:23 GMT
Organization: LESC

In article <1992Aug25.213915.13706@intacc.uucp>, zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Aug19.171659.9286@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
> >
> >}} A local video store (in Ottawa Canada) had a TP boxed set with ONE
> >}} episode per tape ! I opened up one and sure enough the tape length
> >}} is 48 minutes ! Who was the idiot who dreamed this up ??!!  Has
> >}} anyone seen this in the US since I'm sure its made in the US.
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> That's the only way I've seen the tapes (1 episode per cassette).  It's
> such a stupid waste of materials.  

What we obviously have here is two people who will never get into anime.
Some of the companies that subtitle/dub these into English get up to $50
for a 25-MINUTE feature.

Ob.TP: How will I be able to smuggle a cherry pie into the theater tonight?

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From: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: let's rock
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:05:24 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Sep1.220922.14539@math.utexas.edu> akessler@bernard.ma.utexas.edu (Adam Kessler) writes:

>I need help on the "Let's Rock" on the windshield. Where did that reference
>come from?

that's the first thing the dwarf says to cooper in the dream
sequence in episode 1002.

sj		"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m
From: furesz_t@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Fire Walk With Me
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:55:26 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
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I still have several posts to read but I thought I'd toss my
two cents in.  I overall liked the movie.  It answered many
questions for me and yes gave me several others to think about.
That is what Twin Peaks is all about.  We will never know
everything but hopefully if the series continues we will
learn more.
        It was not a perfect film (several continuity errors
as many of you have posted-the call from James, the diary,
etc...) but I was entertained.
        I do feel you need the knowledge of the series to
"understand" the film.  You could still enjoy it on its own
but I feel the more fulfilling experience comes from watching
the show too.  I do find some of the negatives reviews hard to
take.  If somebody did not like it that is fine but if they did
not watch TP before they really did not understand FWWM.  I mean
I know the blue rose means project blue book or a case involving
the Lodges (either way the same thing) but I get that from my know-
ledge of the show.  I have yet to see that reference in one review
(other than those here).  Let them point out the continuity errors,
but none of the reviews mention any of them because the people
writing the reviews do not have enough knowledge of the show to
say.\
        I do hope Lynch does another and moves the tale forward
but it is doubtful Kyle would do another.

Todd
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From: sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders)
Subject: Twin Peaks syndication?
Summary: Are there plans for Twin Peaks syndication?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 00:03:17 GMT


I was sort of a latecomer to the Twin Peaks story; I originally shunned
it because the critics gushed over it so much.  However, I did catch
the first season in re-runs, and saw most of the second season.
After watching FWWM and reading the discussion in this newsgroup (which
has an amazingly high signal-to-noise ratio compared to the rest of
the net), I realize just how much I have forgotten about the series.
And, of course, I have none of them on tape.  Has anyone heard of
plans for Twin Peaks syndication?  I could see a cable network (such
as USA) airing it in a latenight slot.

Another question:  Is "garmonbozia" a nonsense word, or does it have
meaning in any known language?  Derived from a word in an obscure
language, perhaps?

                             Answers appreciated,
                                   Scott
From: ww10aac@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: What the OAM said
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:34:59 GMT

Many probably missed what the OAM said in the car to Leland and Laura
when Leland was revving the engine, honking the horn and screaming:

You stole the corn!  I had it canned... over the store!
And Miss, the look on her face when it was opened.
There was a closeness*
Like the formica table top.
The thread will be torn, Mr. Palmer!
The thread will be torn!
It's him!  It's your father!!

*I can't make out this line but this is what it says in the script.

So Le-BOB stole the corn.  Sounds like he was welshing on the OAM?

ed

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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: FWWM: MIKE and BOB (the spirits, not the students)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 29 AUG 92 01:29:44 GMT


This posting refers to a scene from the movie, so if you haven't seen 
it you might not wish to read on...

My understanding is that MIKE is some kind of spirit and BOB is his
familiar. MIKE feeds on pain and sorrow, and BOB (who goes out and 
does the dirty work) feeds on fear and brings back subjects and their
misery for MIKE. Alot of this is implied, so correct me if I'm wrong.

My question is, why did MIKE warn Laura about her father in the traffic
scene in the movie? I thought that MIKE wasn't "purified" until after 
Laura's death. And after Laura's murder we see him retrieving "pain and
sorrow" from BOB in the Black Lodge.

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Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu	|    of Republicans and meat!"
From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM shortchanged?
Date: 2 Sep 1992 01:33:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Am I the only one who believes that the lack of humor during the
TP segment of the film worked. I thought that since the theme
was more or less "Laura Palmer's decent into hell" that humor did
not fit. I think that the intense darkness, the somberness of that
portion of the flick was most fitting. I think if we did see bits
of Andy/Lucy, Pete, etc. it would have taken away with the nightmarish
narture of the film. I was drawn in by the intense nightmarishness of
the whole thing. It was non-stop, heavy, and I felt that I was 
experiencing all the hell that Laura went through. If there had been
the cutesy stuff I feel that it would have broken the spell. I
for one was captivated by the horror. And there still was elements
of humor, the whole first part was damn funny, and really work to
get me off guard for the TP section of the movie, and thus, at least
for me made the TP part even more intense.

Sally--Flame away--A. Wilson


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And I'll see you//And you'll see me          ||    Sally  A.  Wilson
And I'll see you in the branches that blow   ||    Spud   Peel
In the breeze,//I'll see you in the trees    ||    sally@mica.berkeley.edu
Under the sycamore trees       (_Sycamore_Trees_  Lynch/Badalamenti)
From: rmaddy@che20.ncsu.EDU (Richard M Addy)
Subject: Leland/Thersa Banks 
Reply-To: rmaddy@che20.ncsu.EDU (Richard M Addy)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:46:42 GMT


Just saw the movie, and like the other Lynch films I've seen, I didn't
care much for it while I watched it, but after thinking about it (and
especially after reviewing the imagery), it really grew on me.  Can't
wait to see it again, and again ...
Some spoilers, maybe:














































	Anyway, I thought I'd give my impression of the Leland/Theresa/Laura
deal.  Leland was sleeping with Theresa, and she sat up a four way, with
him, her, Laura and Ronette, without telling Leland who his partners
will be.  Leland sees Laura and and Ronette and freaks.  Theresa gets
curious and asks Jaques about Laura and Ronette's fathers and realizes
that Leland is Laura's dad.  She blackmails him, and he kills her.
	One thing about the movie that I was REAL ambivalent about was, with
the exception of a few scenes, the whole movie could be intepreted as
mundane, with Laura blocking the knowledge of Leland raping her and
conjuring a figment of her imagination named Bob.  Still not sure if I
like that or not.
	What was the significance of the blue rose?  All the other clues the
lady in red had were very obvious, as far as symbolism went (I'll admit
I didn't catch them when she appeared, though).  A blue rose - something
that doesn't exist naturally?  Therefore, an unusual or supernatural
case?  Anyone?  Anyone?
	 Also, I missed the first season of the series - were the old lady and
the kid who gave Luara from that period?  I think they're from the White
Lodge, but then why were they in the same room with Bob when David
Bowie's character started ranting and talking about how he had seen one
of their meetings.  
	And finally, I think Laura did make it to the White Lodge.  My
impression was that she saw the angel as a symbol of her own goodness -
when it disappeared, she thought all hope was lost.  At the end, when
she was with Coop, she had found her angel again and was happy.  But
again, I'm confused.  There were all those dire portents about that
ring, and she goes ahead and puts the damn thing on right before her
death.  Did she know that meant she had to die and hoped it would put
her out of Bob's reach?  Or was she accepting her fate, or what?
From: oberst@hitam.Princeton.EDU (Daniel J. Oberst)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Explanation please...
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:35:51 GMT
Organization: Princeton University

In article <29AUG199202093571@zeus.tamu.edu> wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH,  
WILLIAM KENT) writes:
..What a waste of five bucks.
Heh, be glad you're not on the East Coast.  It's SIX big ones to see a move  
here after 5:00!!
From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM: D. Bowie part
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 09:27:02 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

WALDER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Walder Matthias) writes:

> Hello fellows,
> 
> lots of confusion about the Bowie appearance in FWWM. First I want to say
> that I liked FWWM really :-) I had expected some short minutes about Coop
> leaving or staying in the black lodge...
> 
> So - my thoughts about the Bowie part were that he was also in the black
> lodge for some years (2 if I remember exactly)... maybe he had the chance
> to escape for some minutes and he decided to come to the FBI office?!?
> 
> Hm, maybe we'll see Coop for some minutes escaping in the next part of Twin
> Peaks? :-)
> 
> That's it - greetings from Germany... Matthias
> 
>                   "This flame that burns inside of me -
> 	               I'm here in secret harmony
>                          It's a kind of magic"
> 	     
>   --- walder@dulruu51 --- walder@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de --- Ronin on IRC ---
> 

In the origenal scripts didn't it say that he was a time-traveling FBI 
agent. If this is the chase it explaines his never being recorded as in the 
building, be caause he jumed there in time. Also some distortion of time 
that he may have caused explaines Coop seeing himself in the camera.

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From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Curt Tsui)
Subject: Re: Fire Walk With me is great... no question
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:59:15 GMT

01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
> Saw FWWM Friday night (it was in a neighboring city). Here are my thoughts:
> 
> The film was beautiful. I loved it. 
> 
> Let's face it, the critics are panning it because they are fools with no souls.
> They all have feet of clay, how could they possibly understand a brilliant 
> piece of work like that? They want movies like _Ghost_ or _Home Alone_, stupid 
> movies (apologies to anyone who liked these flicks) with a plot your average 
> five year old would sneer at. I don't care that the critics panned it, because 
> all they want is mediocre anyway. If Twin Peaks hadn't been the trendy thing 
> to watch back in the beginning,they'd have panned it then; the only reason 
> they didn't was because everyone else said it was great.
> 
> Two years ago, the critics loved TP because it was "realistic". The movie 
> followed the same vein, and now they're panning it because it's depressing.
[stuff deleted]

Critics in general seem to have a desire to see a once lauded
director fail.  With Lynch, their attack appeared a bit after
Twin Peaks, when he was making various magazine covers and the
like.  That's probably one reason for the bad reviews.  Another
may be that none of them even watched the show before, so
there's no real way they can or should expect themselves to
totally follow the film, but unfortunately they don't realize
that fact.

Anyways, as a friend of mine says, "a film critic is nothing
more than a glorified movie-goer."  Their opinions should be
respected as their own, but they have no more credentials than
you or me.
--
                               - Curt Tsui -
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From: ww10aac@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: What the OAM said
Date: 3 Sep 92 06:46:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <37591@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ww10aac@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead) writes:
:Many probably missed what the OAM said in the car to Leland and Laura
:when Leland was revving the engine, honking the horn and screaming:
:You stole the corn!  I had it canned... over the store!
:And Miss, the look on her face when it was opened.
:There was a closeness*
:Like the formica table top.
:The thread will be torn, Mr. Palmer!
:The thread will be torn!
:It's him!  It's your father!!

That line in question is:
There was a stillness.


ed



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