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From: tpalm@nada.kth.se (Thomas Palm)
Subject: Re: Voice of America station in Israel.
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:57:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.211407.14782@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>, c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug27.174906.26872@watson.ibm.com> andrewt@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Taylor) writes:
|> >A 300m tower will kill birds. How many depends on the specific location.
|> >Similar towers sometimes kill thousands of migrating birds in a single night.
|> >A number of endangered raptors migrate through Israel.
|> 
|> Birds kill as well... How about all the accidents or near-accidents
|> happening when birds get sucked in turbine engines, or smash on plane
|> windshields?

So, we kill birds with airplanes as well. After all there is not much a 20 mph 
bird can do when a 400 mph plane approaches. Is that an excuse for killing more
of them with this tower, or do you even advocate a bird extermination 
program to avoid this kind of accidents?

-- 
"Goood planets are hard to find."    Thomas Palm
				     Department of Microwave Engineering
				     Royal Institute of Technology
				     S-100 44 Stockholm, Sweden
				     tpalm@mvt.kth.se
Newsgroups: sci.environment,de.soc.umwelt
From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 14:48:58 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Radioactivity and Superstition; was: Re: Are Your Light Bulbs Radioactive?
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: 

In article <JMC.92Aug26163652@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>The fear of radioactivity isn't a spontaneous superstition in the
>sense that each person reacts independently to the facts and some
>people react superstitiously, e.g. because radiation is invisible.
>
>There are some memes, i.e. self-perpetuating social entities
>that include it, are reinforced by it, and reinforce it.
>
>1. Notions as to who are the bad guys.  Notice that this thread
>started with someone who wanted to boycott General Electric - or
>maybe that was the second post.
>
>2. Association of any use of nuclear material with nuclear weapons.
>While some of this could be spontaneous, it is substantially maintained
>by publicity.
>
>3. General luddism.  Nuclear applications are new.
>
>4. Various explicit alliances among different causes.
>
>Explanation that a particular use of nuclear material is not dangerous
>can succeed in calming individuals, but it can't keep the same
>superstitions from arising again and again.

The "fear" is real enough in some people, but it is stimulated and
maintained because it is useful - - - useful for political,
organizational, and financial reasons.  It is similar to the current
exploitation of "family values" in the political campaign.  Some of the
dolts who are using it are sincere, but for many, it is only another
tool for the acquisition and holding of power.


Newsgroups: sci.environment
From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Subject: Re: Composting
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:39:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.143556.11679@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>In article <BtwI4s.31z@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves) writes:
>>
>>Buy some chicken wire fencing about 2' high and make a circular bin
>>out of it.  Remember to turn it every few weeks.   Cost ~$5.
>
>Not so fast. If you live in an organized development area (subdivision,
>addition, whatever) check with the bylaws of it; chicken wire fencing
>may be great if you're in the middle of the boonies or have 2 acre lots,
>but at 1/2 or 1/3 acre lots common in this area, the $5 chicken wire
>fence may cause friction with neighbors or the association. The same
>applies also to the $100 variety. 
>
>There may also be local environmental laws with regards to composting
>or leaving exposed food residues (if, i.e. you dump food scraps in it).

Then the next obvious question is why anyone who is interested in
composting would tolerate living in an area where this would be a
problem.  It's real simple,  if you're unable to do it due to
zoning/bylaws/etc. then change the rules.  If you are unable to change
the rules, decide if it's important enough to you to move.


-- 
Anmar Mirza   # Mayor of Dogspit, IN  #My Opinions! NotIU's! #Purveyor of
EMT-D         # Located somewhere in  # Legalize Explosives! #nontraditional
N9ISY (tech)  # the Outback of the    #I've got my own fusion#family values
Networks Tech.# Mirza Ranch.C'mon over#plant. Just ask me.   #Space For Rent
From: Charles.K.Scott@dartmouth.edu (Charles K. Scott)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Re: Composting
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:36:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Sep4.173618.2891
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <ASHWIN.92Aug31171006@leo.gatech.edu>
ashwin@gatech.edu (Ashwin Ram) writes:

> Where does one start?  I don't really want to buy $100 "composting
> bins" I see advertised in specialty catalogs, but I don't want an ugly,
> smelly heap either.  Is there an easy, foolproof "do it yourself" method to
> compost that isn't expensive or time-consuming?

An important thing to remember here is what should not be put in the
compost pile.  If you put meat in there, not only will it stink to high
heaven, you will attract all manner of woods creatures to sample the
feast.  Skunks just love rotten meat.  Ours gets just about everything
else though including melon rinds and corn cobs.  Funny thing though,
even though I know I put the stuff right into the bin, and cover the
top, sometimes I find a cob outside the bin. :-)

Corky Scott

Corky Scott
Xref: sparky sci.environment:11012 sci.geo.geology:1879 comp.infosystems.gis:2847
From: bobh@fuji.hwr.arizona.edu (Bob Harrington)
Newsgroups: sci.environment,sci.geo.geology,comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: USGS stream gauging data
Summary: CD-ROM for USA
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:29:29 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona -- Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Aug30.083241.13008@gpnws.geoph.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp> masuda@gpnws.geoph.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (MASUDA Kooiti) writes:
>In article <41678@ogicse.ogi.edu>
>jhurst@amb4.ese.ogi.edu (James Hurst) writes:
>
>> >Does anyone out there know if USGS stream gauging
>> >data is available via anonymous ftp? I'm interested
>> >in data for the western US in particular.
>> 
>> You might check the USGS ftp site, at glis.cr.usgs.gov  (192.41.204.54).
>                           ^^^^^^^^  
>> GLIS is the global land information system, designed to let users come and 
>> browse datasets.  They have some procedure for for searching their 
>> inventory, and for ordering data.
>
>In article <1992Aug20.004557.28613@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
>Timothy.Allen@dartmouth.edu (Timothy Allen) writes:
>
>|It is not an ftp site, but a telnet site.  You can log-on as a guest
>|and browse, or sign-up to become a "registered user."  Looks pretty
>|cool.
>
>I logged on at GLIS, and found no stream guage data in their inventory.
>Their GGHYDRO data set does contain global distribution (1 degree lat.-long.
>grid) of estimated annual mean runoff, as well as areal coverage of
>the earth's surface by various water bodies, but that seemed to be all the
>hydrological data they provide.
>(GGHYDRO data set was compiled by Dr. Cogley of Trent University.)
>
>Therefore, the question of original poster (I cannot trace his/her name)
>is not yet answered.
>I am intereseted in availability of river discharege data myself too.
>

I was the original poster on this. I've since located a good source of
stream gauging data for the US. A CD-ROM of USGS/NOAA stream discharges
for 1948-1988 has been assembled and is avialable from Dennis Lettenmaier
at the University of Washington. If you think this is of use to you, have
a look at Wallis, Lettenmaier, and Wood, A daily hydroclimatological data
set for the Continental United States, Water Resources Research, 27(7),
1657-1663, 1991. 

>
>--
>Let's have a macroscope!               Kooiti MASUDA
>                                       Dept. of Earth & Planetary Physics
>                                       University of Tokyo
>                             internet: masuda@geoph.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp

Bob Harrington
Hydrology and Water Resources
University of Arizona
Newsgroups: sci.environment
From: malova@venus.iteb.serpukhov.su
Subject: probe
Organization: Institute of Theoretical and Experimental Biophysics
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:28:21 GMT

probe
Newsgroups: sci.environment
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: DRAG STRIP POLLUTION?
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:17:52

Lawyers' science is what is wanted here.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: flakebit@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (mung)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Carbon paper
Date: 27 Aug 1992 06:14:41 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Can someone tell me about the impact of carbon paper on the
environment?  I work in an office that produces alot of carbon
paper waste and am thinking about implementing a recycling 
program. 

(flakebit@matt.ksu.ksu.edu)

 
Newsgroups: sci.environment
From: ashwin@gatech.edu (Ashwin Ram)
Subject: Composting
Reply-To: ashwin@cc.gatech.edu (Ashwin Ram)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, College of Computing
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:10:06 GMT

We want to start composting leaves (yes, fall is here!) and kitchen garbage
in our back yard, and would like some advice on exactly how to go about doing
this.  Where does one start?  I don't really want to buy $100 "composting
bins" I see advertised in specialty catalogs, but I don't want an ugly,
smelly heap either.  Is there an easy, foolproof "do it yourself" method to
compost that isn't expensive or time-consuming?

Thanks,
Ashwin.
Newsgroups: sci.environment
From: harlan@crchh347.bnr.ca (Bruce Harlan)
Subject: Re: Mary Jane has a great Biomass
Followup-To:  Mary Jane has a great Biomass
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:29:27 GMT

A couple of points here... burning good corn fuel in cars is a sacrilege.
Burning poor corn fuel is not. 

As far as the distillation process goes-  couldn't solar power be used to
provide the heat for the distillation process? Mashing might also be performed
with solar heat. There are other sources than merely corn for the production
of alcohol- I think that the big oil companies wouldn't be too happy hearing
talk of alternate fuels, though.

So- do we have any engineer-types that can dream up a cheap solar still?
Let's set some criteria:

Must be feasible- all products must be available in the consumer market.	
Must be inexpensive. The more "common" parts used, the better. 
Must be simple. Something the Average Joe might be able to build in the	
  garage if A. Joe were reasonably mechanically inclined and somewhat
  resourceful.	
	
No dream products or dream designs- gotta be functional.	

Goal: Supply enough fuel to run the lawnmower next summer- say, 3-5 gallons
of usable fuel.

Points to ponder:
  What will be used for fuel? Garbage? grain only? 
  Parts/pieces supply
  Need a home-brew solar concentrator- sure, we could get the big one from
    Edmund Scientific, but what can we make from the scrapyard? Gleaning
    parts from the recycler is fair, too.	
  retuning the lawnmower to take alternate fuel (kind of a low-tech engine;
    shouldn't require much modification).

Any suggestions? Any other criteria? Anybody up to the task?
	
Bruce	

Standard disclaimers, etc. You know the routine.

 
Newsgroups: sci.environment
From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Subject: Re: Composting
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:14:52 GMT

In article <ASHWIN.92Aug31171006@leo.gatech.edu> ashwin@cc.gatech.edu (Ashwin Ram) writes:
>We want to start composting leaves (yes, fall is here!) and kitchen garbage
>in our back yard, and would like some advice on exactly how to go about doing
>this.  Where does one start?  I don't really want to buy $100 "composting
>bins" I see advertised in specialty catalogs, but I don't want an ugly,
>smelly heap either.  Is there an easy, foolproof "do it yourself" method to
>compost that isn't expensive or time-consuming?

Buy some chicken wire fencing about 2' high and make a circular bin
out of it.  Remember to turn it every few weeks.   Cost ~$5.

-- 
Anmar Mirza   # Mayor of Dogspit, IN  #My Opinions! NotIU's! #Purveyor of
EMT-D         # Located somewhere in  # Legalize Explosives! #nontraditional
N9ISY (tech)  # the Outback of the    #I've got my own fusion#family values
Networks Tech.# Mirza Ranch.C'mon over#plant. Just ask me.   #Space For Rent
From: chm114u@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Info wanted - FTP sites with heavy metal data
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:36:49 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia


I am interested in finding any FTP sites that may have data bases containing
information on heavy metals - specifically LEAD.

The sort of info that I require includes:

* legislation and/or regulations with respect to acceptable lead levels in
  AIR, WATER, SOILS, PETROL, FOODSTUFFS, COSMETICS, PIGMENTS (ie. PAINTS)

* legislation and or regulations or guidelines regarding industrial emissions

* inventories of emission sources

* continuing measurements of atmospheric lead (particulate and/or organic)

* continuing measurements of aquatic lead levels (fresh and sea water)

* point or continuing measurements of soil lead levels

* health studies - human, animal, plant

* continuing measurements of food/water/drink lead levels (trends etc.)

I know I am not asking for much {;-)

Any and all help will be most welcome. Thanks in advance.

  Mike Atkinson  chm114u@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
                 Chemistry Dept., Monash University, Melbourne, Australia

Email if you can or post if you wish -- Thanks.
Newsgroups: sci.environment
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Re: Voice of America station in Israel.
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:14:07 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1992Aug27.174906.26872@watson.ibm.com> andrewt@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Taylor) writes:
>A 300m tower will kill birds. How many depends on the specific location.
>Similar towers sometimes kill thousands of migrating birds in a single night.
>A number of endangered raptors migrate through Israel.

Birds kill as well... How about all the accidents or near-accidents
happening when birds get sucked in turbine engines, or smash on plane
windshields?

Spiros



-- 
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From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
Subject: Re: population load question
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:14:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.160709.11059@samba.oit.unc.edu> Bruce.Scott@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Scott) writes:

> Whatever the population carrying capacity turns out to be, we can say
> with some certainty that it is less than the current 5+ billion. Certain
> very visible events around the world in the last years have made it
> clear.

I hope you display more rigor in your physics than you do in this
posting.  For starters, define "carrying capacity".

	Paul F. Dietz
	dietz@cs.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: sci.environment,misc.consumers
From: de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill)
Subject: Re: Radioactivity and Superstition; was: Re: Are Your Light Bulbs Radioactive?
Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:47:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.222601.2002@pmafire.inel.gov>, cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) writes:
>
>Well, you can't see, smell, taste, hear, or feel carbon monoxide, either,
>yet I don't hear the same paranoia about it that I do about radioactivity.

People fear what they don't understand.  Nuclear processes are even more
incomprehensible to most people than chemical processes.  Although more deaths
have been and are caused by the latter, the former tend to be more spectacular. 
Also, we are more familiar with chemical processes--we're fairly confident that
we won't unknowingly be exposed to deadly chemicals (whether true or not) and
believe that low doses of dangerous chemicals are unlikely to have long term
negative effects (again, whether true or not).

>Both are dangerous in concentrated amounts, and get less dangerous in 
>smaller amounts.  CO does occur naturally and always has, just like
>radioactivity.  People *die* every year from CO poisoning. Where's the
>balance?

There won't be any until people are educated properly on the matter. 
Overreacting to peoples concerns about radioactivity, though, is more likely to
convince them you're a pro-nuke zealot than an objective source of information.

Yes, the threat of radioactive sources in smoke detectors and compact
flourescents is incredibly small.  But that doesn't mean one should belittle
those concerned about it.  Calmly present the facts and the issue is laid to
rest.  Don't rant and rave about anti-nuke hysteria unless you want to promulgate
it.

-- 
Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)	   For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
Martin Marietta Energy Systems     For every Bill Gates there is a Richard
Workstation Support                Stallman.                     --Paul Graham
From: b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Re: population load question
Date: 2 Sep 1992 23:35:45 GMT
Organization: lbl
Distribution: world
Reply-To: b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.154

In article <92Sep01.223316.26181@acs.ucalgary.ca>, edstrom@Elmer.hsc.ucalgary.ca
(John Edstrom) writes:
|> Its a broad question but what are the current estimates of the
|> carrying capacity of the earth for humans?  Somebody told me it around
|> 2 billion.
|> 
|> John Edstrom | edstrom @ elmer.hsc.ucalgary.ca

It all depends on the burdens each of the humans puts on the
environment.  As the burden/person goes down, the carrying
capacity rises, but there is some upper limit of people in any case.
Since reducing impacts/person can be done by reducing quality
of life, the question becomes one of defining a quality of life,
figuring out how people might accomplish this, then figuring out
how many such people can be accommodated.  I personally have
no such estimates.

Bruce Nordman
B_Nordman@lbl.gov
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Re: Biggest bomb (#335) revisited
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:42:44 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.
Summary: But wait, there's more!  The atmosphere will catch fire, too!

In article <1466601747@igc.apc.org>, Wanda Ballentine <wandab@igc.apc.org> writes:
> 
> I found Joe Vialls' article, "The Biggest Bomb on Earth" very
> alarming, considering that it looks like war could erupt in the
> Middle East again any time.  So I sent it off to various
> government officials.  Here is what I received from Senator
> Packwood's office.  Any comments?

	Joe Vialls is on the same level as Fred Leuchter (sp?), scientifically. 
He decides what political outcome he wants, then looks just far enough to make
the situation seem plausible.

> Review of Joe Vialls' Article
> "The Biggest Bomb on Earth"
> 
> by William Happer
> Director of Energy Research
> Science and Technology Advisor to the Secretary of Energy
> August 18, 1992
> 
>... 
> In summary, Vialls is horribly confused because of his
> almost complete ignorance of oil, gas, oil fields,
> atmospheric dynamics, burning, detonation, the long history
> of futile military attempts to use fuel-air explosives and
> the reasons for the failures. "The Biggest Bomb on Earth" is
> poorly researched science fiction.

	Heh.  Kinda makes you nostalgic for certain other oil-well posts, eh?

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