From: khaikin@cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Torah is the center of every Jew? (was Orthadox Judaism and women)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 01:31:55 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
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In article <1993Jan26.043618.4828@netcom.com> madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
>khaikin@cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin) writes: >
>madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes: >>

>>Do you really think that Judaism is something you can adjust to your
>>needs? 
>
>Did you pay attention to what I said?  Either it will be adjusted
>or it will die out.  Which do you prefer?

In that case I personally would prefer it to die out, but I can't agree
that it is that case.

>Wrong.  I never said I believed in Torah.  Where did you get that
>idea?  I am not Reform.  I am a drop-out.  I gave up on the religion
>because it was sexist, remember?  If the Torah says that women must
>run their lives differently, then I decided the Torah is wrong.  So
>I do not believe in what it says at all.

Do you believe in G-d then?



>>You know what, that is fine with me. But why would you call this
>>religion Judaism? What is so Jewish about what you just wrote?
>>
>Nothing.  I didn't claim it was.  My original purpose in posting
>was to ask Judaism could resolve this dilemma.  I predicted if it
>did not, the religion would die out.  You refuse to address this
>prediction; you just keep repeating that this isn't a club where
>you get to pick your own rules.  I have news for you: it certainly
>is a club.


It is certainly news for me.



  Now, do you want your club to stay in existence?  If
>so, what are you willing to do to ensure this?

If it were a club I doubt I would want to be in it and moreover help it
stay in existence. It is too much rules for some club. I would want to
live my own life without PEOPLE telling me how to live it.



>
>>>Fine.  Believe whatever you want. It doesn't change a thing.
>>
>>Well, I think, it changes a lot of things. Like the validity of the
>>whole original statement about Orhtodoxy being sexist.
>
>You are incorrect again.  What you believe does not change anything
>for anyone except you.

Yes, that's partially true.


  You believe that O is not sexist, but this
>does not change the fact that many women feel otherwise and leave
>the religion.  Like I said, believe whatever you wish; it will
>not change anything.
>

Of course, it will. And that's one of the things I believe in. It may
not change anything for you, but it does for me, so, it might change
something for somebody else. If not, well, it was worthless discussion then.



Thanks,
Dima
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