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From: nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Appreciation of the big & beautiful woman
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:00:45 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization


One thing to keep in mind is that not everybody is particularly visual.
I've noticed that most of the men who I've gotten involved with are
highly kinesthetic.  Their primary mode of sensual interaction is touch.
I find such men appealing because they tend to be good at casual physical
affection. Which I find amazingly romantic.

I tend to be highly auditory.   I'm concious of this in that I know that
I learn well by listening, while it's harder for me to remember something
I've seen.  I can recall random odds and ends of conversation but I can
never remember what somebody looks like unless I know them well.  So I
tend to develop crushes on men based on their voices.  I am extremely
infatuated with a guy I know who is definitely not conventionally attractive -
he's rather short and has a very large nose - but he's got a wonderful
voice (both singing and speaking).  

Now, this is clearly not enough to sustain a relationship but people do have
something which creates that initial spark.  If we're concious of what it
is for us, we can see past it and make real choices about who we get 
involved with.  

Miriam Nadel  
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: Appreciation of the big & beautiful woman
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:27:39 GMT

nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writes:


>One thing to keep in mind is that not everybody is particularly visual.
>I've noticed that most of the men who I've gotten involved with are
>highly kinesthetic.  Their primary mode of sensual interaction is touch.
>I find such men appealing because they tend to be good at casual physical
>affection. Which I find amazingly romantic.

Well, I personally have a theory that men who claim a preference for big women
are highly tactile by nature. Whether this actually holds water I'm not sure,
but you have to admit it makes sense.

>never remember what somebody looks like unless I know them well.  So I
>tend to develop crushes on men based on their voices.  I am extremely
>infatuated with a guy I know who is definitely not conventionally attractive -
>he's rather short and has a very large nose - but he's got a wonderful
>voice (both singing and speaking).  

Hmmmm, I would have a fun time seducing you methinks - I've been told I'm
a great singer.

>Now, this is clearly not enough to sustain a relationship but people do have
>something which creates that initial spark.  If we're concious of what it
>is for us, we can see past it and make real choices about who we get 
>involved with.  

Well, sparks are the energizing force. The parameters in which this force
is made to operate determine whether any lasting involvement will really work.

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902 
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
From: gnf00@ccc.amdahl.com (Geri N Finkelstein)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Yet another catalog
Keywords: womens clothes, sizes 14-30
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:12:43 GMT
Reply-To: gnf00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Geri N. Finkelstein)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


I just received a catalog from a company called Botero, 347 Nashua Mall,
Suite 288, Nashua, NH  03063.  They have a toll free # 1-800-362-5167.
It is a small color catalog (14 pages), but they have some interesting
clothes for work and play...and they use large models (yay!)  Their
sizes are S - XL which translates to 14 - 30, but they are willing to
do custom work for sizes above 30.

My question is--has anyone heard of / dealt with them in the past?
Is their quality goood?  (I have some concern about ordering from a
company that I've never heard of - or haven't been receiving catalogs
from for a while.)

Many thanks.

Geri
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann 6412947)
Subject: Re: My first issue of BBW
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota. [The Little U]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:42:32 GMT

In article <BEH.92Nov18205222@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> beh@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (various Howellses) writes:
>
>  Why can't there be more cottons?

A few months ago I received a catalog in the mail that was ALL cottons in sizes
up to 60.  The only problem is that my kids cut it up and I can't remember who
it was from - maybe someone else out there got the same one and knows the name.

If I remember right, the prices were *VERY* reasonable and the fashions were
great.

On another note - Units are all cotton aren't they?  What size do they go up
to?  Anyone know?

Toni

tbachman@seq.hamline.edu
.
From: nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Reunions and such
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:44:57 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1992Nov11.003556.3082@netcom.com> marcia@netcom.com (Marcia) writes:
>
>During high school, a number of other folks made a point of making my life
>hell because of my size. I have been hoping that perhaps by now they would
>have matured to the point that they would mind their own business, but 
>knowing human nature, I am steeling myself for at least a few snide comments.
>
>So I guess what I am looking for is support. Have other people been in this
>kind of situation and how did it turn out? Anything else I should be mentally
>prepared for?

I felt the same way before my high school reunion.  Complicated by my having
gained quite a lot of weight since high school (each of those diet-regain
cycles).  But nobody said anything to me about it.  Of course, I have no
idea what they were thinking.  The only appearance comment I heard was 
about my hair, which was turquoise at the time (I was very into temporary
hair color in rather eccentric colors.  Indeed, I regret that cellophane
is out of style as I can no longer look like passport photo in which my
hair is a color the stylist described as "black cherry.")

So my advice is to brazen it out.  You'll look stunning (I've seen the dress)
and just remind yourself that the ones who are really agonizing are the 
size 3 cheerleaders who are moaning at wearing size 12's now.

Miriam Nadel
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Large sized maternity clothes!!
From: tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann 6412947)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:59:01 GMT
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota. [The Little U]

Hi:

Does anyone know of a place to purchase large sized (28W - 32W) maternity
clothes?  I would be interested in catalogs or stores (although in Minnesota
I have found nothing).  I also sew, so could use patterns.

(So far I don't know for sure if I am pregnant - but I might be and we are
trying!).

Toni


Newsgroups: alt.support
From: bron@iastate.edu (bronwyn)
Subject: The ending of relationships
Originator: bron@aviator.cc.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:28:47 GMT


  Recently I've seen a few postings here about the ending of
relationships, so here's another one :)

  After spending only a year married, I'm getting divorced.  It's harder
to do than I thought it would be.  I figured that since we'd only been
married a short time, it would be easier now than later.  I think maybe
I was a bit wrong :)  It was very hard for me to come to grips with
wanting a divorce after being married such a short time.  I kept telling
myself "Maybe if I had just stuck it out a while longer..."  One of the
hardest things for me to deal with was the reactions of my friends and
family.  I had kept our problems secret (Who wants to admit that a 2
month old marriage is falling apart?) and there was a lot of shock all
around.  His family members believed I was only ever out to to take
advantage of him, and mine thought I was being childish.

  I started seeing a counselor a few months ago, and she recommended a
book by the name of Uncoupling.  It's a non-biased survey of the
endings of all kinds of relationships, and the feelings that go along
with it.  It talks about the grieving process, and the "secrets".  It
deals specifically with many of the issues I was having trouble with.  I
finished the book a couple days ago, and today I woke up feeling like 
maybe things were going to go okay for me.  I talked to my ?husband?,
and feel much better about my decision than I have in the past.  That
book pointed out a lot of things to me, good and bad, but I think it
helped me feel better about my decision.  Has anyone else seen it?

  Two months ago I wasn't sure I'd ever reach this point of acceptance
of myself and my actions.  Today I feel like I'm starting the long road
back to being myself.

Thanks for listening.

bron
Xref: sparky alt.support:1430 alt.recovery:3577
From: rks@cscns.com (Island's Child)
Subject: Re: Informing on Others
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:00:55 GMT

dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston) writes:
: In article <By1AC0.Bp2@cscns.com> rks@cscns.com (Island's Child) writes:
: 
: I didn't forward his post, merely stated he was a jerk.

Either way, if you couldn't reach Kane, you had no business reporting
to someone else. 

: 
: >    The person who posted, saying that he had forwarded (or 'reported')
: >Kane's message to his sysop, is *way* out of line!
: >
: Apology tendered for poor judgement.
: 
I should think so.


: >
: >
: Climb off of your high horse for a moment please. I attempted to contact Mr.
: Kane, several times. Everything bounces. Why should he hide. I don't. If I

Whether or not he hides is his problem. If you don't, good for you. He is
not you.

: had made a posting like his, using my own account, I would have to fear
: retribution from my employer. Is it ethical to dummy (forge) headers for
: the purpose of making a mockery of what is said here? 
: >
No, it is not ethical but since when are you the policeman of the world?
If you don't like what he did, confront him. Discuss it. Were you the 
type of kid who ratted on people at school, too? Do you rat on people at
work because you don't like what they do? 

It's people with that mentality that really piss me off. Not everyone in
the universe is required to live according to *your* values or the way
*you* think the world should work. 

My position remains the same. If you couldn't confront Kane by reaching
his e-mail, why not confront him by posting to the group. Sending messages
to other people is just plain out-of-line! 

If you can't answer your own phone calls, hang up!

: > 
: >(I am using another person's account to protect *my* privacy. It is
: >obvious that this group is *not* to be trusted!)
:  GET REAL.

It's people like you who make it necessary to protect myself! 


Gisle
From: mcintosh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (aubrey mcintosh)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Held at gunpoint!
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:12:09 GMT
Reply-To: mcintosh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (aubrey mcintosh)

In article <1ds9g2INNd71@agate.berkeley.edu>,
andrewc@garnet.berkeley.edu (Andrew Chen) writes:
 
|>
|>I'm not stressed out about the wallet, for that can be replaced.  But what I
|>have been consumed about is the thought of death.  What if I had been shot?
|>I'm not sure how to deal with the thought of dying... why am I still here?  
|>It's been extremely difficult to sleep or study, since flashes of what had 
|>happened run through my mind and it becomes more and more haunting.  Am
|>I supposed to take this well and go on with my life as if nothing ever 
|>happened?  Help...  write me if you feel like... 
                   

Well, something did happen.  In Texas it would be called Assault with a
Deadly Weapon.  I'm familar with this because it is a "lesser included
crime" in attempted murder, which is a lesser included crime in murder,
which is a lesser included crime in capitol murder.

I would predict that sometime a wind blown leaf, or perhaps a neighbors
cat, or a similar background noise like a certain car door closing will
scare you substantially.

In my own case, I went to the carport door, opened it, and called the cat.
Guess what! He came.  It terrified me, since my daughter and I were gunshot
8 weeks ago today, and her boyfriend had just appeared from the same
direction at that same door and started shooting.

I'm not generally terrified or unable to go about life,
except that anytime I am idle, such as riding the bus, I replay the call
to 911.

Life is indeed fragile, and I don't know why I'm here.  I don't know why
my daughter is gone.  But even before the shooting it was possible for us
to be killed in a car wreck on the way home, and I pretty much go about
life even with that possibility in the background.  

I guess I think it's important to be real, and acknowledge to yourself
that you are frightened.  And when a close friend asks how you are,
tell 'em!  Just in a simple way, like "I'm still frightened some."
I've got a reputation now, when anyone asks how I am, I say "I feel like
I've been gunshot!"  Which of course is true, but doesn't tell anything,
and let's people know I'm not gonna fall apart at the first accidental
mention.  They can then pursue that or not, as they feel like it.

Aubrey McIntosh  /  Chemistry  /  University of Texas  /  Austin, TX 78712
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: draper@gnd1.wtp.gtefsd.com (PAM DRAPER)
Subject: lying
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: draper@gnd1.wtp.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Government Systems, Federal Systems Division, Chantilly, VA
Distribution:  world
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:19:49 GMT

Sometimes I don't no where to post things, but there isn't a group
that primarily deals with relationships (or I don't know which one does).

What do you do when you know your husband is lying to you?  Confront him?
What if you know he is doing it to protect your feelings?
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: lying
From: sichermn@beach.csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:55:52 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

In article <1992Nov20.212212.21312@europa.asd.contel.com> draper@gnd1.wtp.gtefsd.com writes:
>Sometimes I don't no where to post things, but there isn't a group
>that primarily deals with relationships (or I don't know which one does).
>
>What do you do when you know your husband is lying to you?  Confront him?
>What if you know he is doing it to protect your feelings?

  Perhaps it's just my natural cynicism, but I'm always suspicious of the
concept of someone lying to protect me - feelings or otherwise. I don't
think people generally work that way.

  Of course, it's diffiuclt to evaluate whether this might have some
truth to it without knowing a little bit about the kind of thing he's
lying about or concealing, but I think such protection has more to do
with the 'liar's' desire to avoid having t deal with the issue openly
or the reactions of the person who is being lied to.

  In any case, issues seldom get resolved or placed in context by this 
strategy and so suffer from benign neglect at best or get more serious
at worst. And the dishonesty and 'unopenness' can corode the trust of
a relationship.




-- 
Jeff Sicherman
up the net without a .sig
From: rwoodman@alumina.rutgers.edu (Robert Woodman)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Hiya
Summary: Ack ptoo.
Keywords: confused, bored
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:18:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Hiya, all.  I'm a kind-of athiestic/agnostic/confused person.
Give me some advice.  I want a religion.  Is satanism worth the heat
you get from friends/family?  Is it fun?
?
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Hiya
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:43:56 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <Nov.19.22.18.52.1992.927@alumina.rutgers.edu>, rwoodman@alumina.rutgers.edu (Robert Woodman) writes:
> Hiya, all.  I'm a kind-of athiestic/agnostic/confused person.
> Give me some advice.  I want a religion.  Is satanism worth the heat
> you get from friends/family?  Is it fun?
> ?

One more thought:  to an extent, Satanism is what you make it. It's up to
you to make it fun.
         
--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Religious Leaders' Flaws
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:43:41 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


	Ok, several times I have seen Xians respond to arguments that Xian
leaders are historically responsible for rape, pillage, war, pogroms, etc.
with the idea that they're only human.  The only problem is, these activities
were taken in the name of a god that is supposedly good and loving to impose
their concepts of "good" on other people.  You won't find many Satanists 
knocking on your door Sunday morning to tell you how to live or what to 
believe.  Xians abound that engage in this "helpful" activity, some right
here.  The point is, these Xian ideas are promoted thru coersion, falsehood,
propaganda, and historically force.

	"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." - Me.

						Raymond H. Rich
						Devil's Advocate
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka Ktf92)
Subject: Re: satanism sucks!!!!!!
Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:15:49 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

      Hey - didn't I see this posting once before? I could have *sworn*
some goofball newbie exactly like this one got laughed outta here only a
few weeks ago!

-==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-
           ..`Opinions'? What's that, mom - some new kind of dessert?
"Every day for us, something new / Open mind for a different view /
 And nothing else matters..."       -----       Metallica
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: To all christians...
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:49:34 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov18.143943.4478@spcvxb.spc.edu> 6santiago_l@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
>In my personal opinion, Ray I think You have a nasty attitude.  As I have read 
>every article about "To All Christians", you out of all people had to say nasty 
>things that you shoudn't have said.  If you don't understand what other people 
>are trying to make you see don't say anything at all.  As a matter a fact you 
>shpuld just go to another topic and mind your business.In article <1992Nov18.051949.5155@njitgw.njit.edu>, rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>> In article <Uf0l63O00aw949E31x@andrew.cmu.edu> aw36+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew N. Westmeyer) writes:
>>> 
>>>     As for my unloving attitude as you put it, i try to love all
>>>people, and homosexuals are no exception.  It is difficult to do, and
>>>sometimes I err in my goal, but I like to think that I am trying. 
>>>Although I may love a person, that does not necessarily mean that I
>>>agree with what they are doing.  In this case, as in many others
>>>including many heterosexual acts, I don't agree.  But nevertheless I try
>>>to love.  On account of this love I try (eg, by posting to
>>>netnews.alt.satanism) to help those who I feel have fallen off the
>>>better path.  I am not however imposing religious beliefs, just a better
>>>(in the eyes of ultimate reality) lifestyle.  They are as always free to
>>>reject any of my suggestions.
>> 
>> 	What value has your love if you throw it around without cause?
>> Your "help" is not a product of "love", but a product of selfishness on 
>> your part and a need to live in a world where everyone does what you believe
>> to be "right".  "Better path?"  "Better lifestyle?"  If all you have to do
>> is tell people what to do with their sex lives, I do not envy your meagre
>> existence.  In short, blow me.
>> 
>> 						Raymond H. Rich
>>  

	You claim you are "helping those who have fallen off the better path".
How are you helping us?  By telling us your lifestyle is better?  Please, spare
us.  Usually I am less profane in my posts than the ones you refer to, but this
is a topic which truly enrages me.   I don't think you or anyone else has the
right to dictate what two consenting adults can do to/with each other.  
Remember that you live in a world full of religions and lack thereof.  Do not
presume that your values are acceptable to everyone else.
	I have a general problem with evangelical religions that spend more
time trying to convince people of the one true way rather than actually helping
and unconditionally loving people.  Spend less time preaching and more time
doing.  I found your post insulting and condescending.  I'm sick of the high
and mighty shtick by now.

							Raymond H. Rich
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: satanism sucks!!!!!!
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:50:21 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <92323.175757KAP118@psuvm.psu.edu>, KAP118@psuvm.psu.edu (Kevin Polcovich) writes:
> To all you satanist:
>   Why dont you wise up?  Satan is for fools.  Anybody that can swith their lett
> ers in their name around and spell santa, I think is pretty queer.
> Comments welcome.

I told you Penn State was weird. But I forgot to mention that they don't
teach their students basic usage of English or Usenet.

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Prometheus address
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:10:27 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Soembody was asking for the address of Prometheus Books. As I can't find
the original article, I'll just post this:

Prometheus Books
59 John Glenn Drive
Buffalo, New York  14228-2197

They've got phone numbers too (the only real way to do business):

(800) 421-0351
(716) 691-0137 (FAX)

_In Pursuit of Satan_, the book I believe was in question, will run you
$24.95 +s/h for clothbound (alas, the only way many of their books seem to
be available). Damn I wish I had a few hundred to send these guys!

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson)
Subject: Re: What I think
Reply-To: nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson)
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, FL
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:50:14 GMT


Rick, I agree with you that you can get to God/Heaven without the Bible.
The Bible is simply a book (written with the help of God, in my opinion)
to lead people to him and to instruct them on how they "should" live 
their lives in harmony with each other. 

I like to view the Bible as kind of like a road map; it pretty difficult 
to get from my house to Los Angeles without a map.  There are many roads
to take, but only a few actually lead there and without a map, it is
quite easy to get lost.


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