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From: schouten@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Subject: Re: Is "Hotel California" evil?
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D
	<79082@hydra.gatech.EDU> <1993Jan5.143250.17698@cbnews.cb.att.com>
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:55:00

In article <1993Jan5.143250.17698@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
> other than a cautionary tale.  It may be a warning against Satanism, 
> drug abuse, the lifestyle of rock stars, or just living in L.A.

As a christian friend of mine pointed out when the song first came
out, `the guy who wrote this must be a christian, or at least have a
lot of exposure to christianity'.  I have never understood why
christians have a problem with this song.  On the contrary it's
practically a christian song.  If you think this song is bad because
it talks about hell and the devil, you should probably avoid Keith
Green, Kerry Livgren, Johnny Cash, Stryper, 2nd Chapter of Acts and
any number of `christian' performers and speakers, not to mention you
probably won't like the bible too well.  And whatever you do, don't
read anything by C.S. Lewis.

Dale Schouten
schouten@uiuc.edu
From: fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Help me with my concentration!
Date: 11 Jan 1993 14:48:33 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer)
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In article <1993Jan10.202414.15132@news.stolaf.edu>  
hakari@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (The Conformist Contrabass Clarinetist)  
writes:
> 
> 
> I am in the Paracollege (design-your-own-major) here at St. Olaf, and I am 
> doing my concentration in Contemporary Christian Music.  Some of my plans 
> toward this concentration are:  surveys of the 'messages' in various songs, 
> hosting a CCM show on our campus radio station, what's good/bad about such-
> and-such-an-artist, stuff like that.  I will hopefully be expanding my CD 
> collection so I can actually do _research_ in my concentration. 

> Anyways, could y'all recommend some music that I should pick up?> 
> 
> Asante sana...
> --Andrea, contrabass clarinetist extraordinaire...
> 
Andrea,
	I would suggest: One Bad Pig (Swine Flew or I Scream Sunday) for the  
heavy thrash instrumentation and very blatant (no beating around the bush)  
lyrics. For contrast I also suggest Chagall Guevera: alternative music with  
non-obvious lyrical meaning (IMHO). 

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From: dld30@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Dave Dooley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Billy Smiley solo album???
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:40:41 GMT
Reply-To: dld30@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Dave Dooley)
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I was looking through the CD International catalog the other day and
stumbled across an entry that listed a CD release (I forgot the title)
by Billy Smiley. Is this a solo album by the Billy Smiley of Whiteheart?
If so, is it worth hunting down?
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From: burtp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: Long Haired Man (and some new stuff)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:58:07 GMT

In article <nestabro.726171667@nova> nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>I think Henrik gives a reasonable answer.  I think anything in this area
>largely reverts to motivation and the reasoning of the heart (there is the
>one verse about long hair being a man's shame, but I haven't really come
>to any conclusions on the meaning of that at this time).
>

the passage is from 1 Cor. 11.  The conclusion that I have come to is
this:  according to the societal trends at the time Paul was writing,
long hair form men was shamefull as was short hair for women.  Also at
that time it was shameful for a woman to not have her head covered
since this was what prostitutes did.  

I came to some of these conclusions by considering: why did hair
length have anything to do with shamefull/not shamefull.  I also
consider a good (female) friend of mine who is naturaly bald.  Is she
in sin?

Some parts of Paul's writings disturb me especialy from I Cor 11.
verse 8 seems to contradict verse 12.  Didn't the situation of man
being the head of woman stem from the curse from the garden which the
second Adam came to destroy?  

My covictions are always open to discusion so please talk to me!

On a similar note, I wonder what Paul (and other letter writers) would
think if they knew we considered their letters "God's word". ????????

I certainly think that much of Paul's writings were inspired by God.
But, can a human vesel infalibly convey the intentions of an infinite
God.  Protestants believe that Paul spoke (through his letters) with
"God's authority".  But they reject the God-authority of the Pope.
Just some musings.  I refuse to stop thinking!!!

(all this stuff is sort of out of bounds for this group, but good
discusion is hard to come by.  talk by e-mail if you wish)

later,
phil
burtp@rpi.edu
From: 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: re: hair and the such
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:51:22 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

I had better re-state that as i just realized i had a word left out, but
you may have gotten it anyway.

I meant to say that I got it cut to get this job.
Having hair is a pretty good barometer of people's opinions; 
I have gone on 2 or 3 interviews at other companies since I have grown
hair and have been offered them all.  I figure if someone has a problem
with it, they will simply not offer, rather than say 'Well, we'll hire you,
but...'.

"I'd never be part of any club that would have me..."  - Grouch Marx


Scott Naylor
University Computing Services
Ball State University (Motto - 'We Blackballed Letterman')
Muncie, Indiana
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From: Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Long Haired Man (and some new stuff)
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:08:32 GMT

Ok, as a metal/thrash journalist I figured I'd add my $0.02 worth into the
subject of long hair..

There is absolutely, positively NOTHING wrong with having long hair!
Society decides our look, but God looks at the heart... why should we be
concerned with our brother's appearance (the biggest problem I have with
churches these days) when we should be more concerned with getting the
Gospel out and building up those within and ultimately glorifying God..

I heard from a reliable friend of mine a few years ago on the passage in 1
Cor. 11 about Paul saying it to be shameful for a man to have long hair..
to understand that passage in light of Scripture's dealing in general with
appearnce (see 1 Sam 5 I think about God looking at the heart) you have to
remember that the Jews have ALWAYS had long hair! The average Jew in Old
and early New Testament times had hair that was an average length of 1 1/2
feet. Women's hair were far longer, usually down toward the knees.. in
Roman society, men wore their hair very short, usually cropped above the
ear, while women wore their hair long but always pinned up in fancy braids
and beads.. The people of Corinth mimicked the Roman culture, however,
those who were Jews kept to the tradition of long hair.. however, an
unusual phenomenon occured: women cut their hair VERY short, especially
those in prostitution circles and cults.. therefore men's hair lengths
would be LONGER than women by cultural standards in that time and would be
a problem in terms of identification.. so that is most likely why Paul
asked for the Corinthian men to cut their hair... I don't believe he asked
for all men to do so else Scripture would contradict itself in 1 Sam 5,
not to mention historical incongruency...

Phil
Editor, Screams of Abel

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From: schouten@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Subject: Mail Order CD's?
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:00:29

Does anyone know of a good place to order CCM CDs?
(here good is loosely defined as wide selection and reasonably low
price)
CBD is OK for books but have almost no CDs.
`Christian' book stores I've been in have high prices and poor (IMHO)
selection.

Any input would be appreciated.

Dale Schouten
schouten@uiuc.edu
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From: Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Cornerstone '93
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:13:00 GMT


Gee, Scott, don't speak to me anymore, I'll just take it personally.. *sniff*

Does this mean I have to review Redemption in Screams of Abel Zine?

Also, send me more band info in the mail (did you get band photos? Send
them! SOA, POB 2861, Springfield, VA  22152-2861)... 

I'VE BEEN WAITING TO HEAR FROM YOU SINCE NOVEMBER!!!!!

Phil
The Impatient Editor

Live in Brutality!

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From: as296@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anja Demetria Boykin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: 1992: CCM artists in the secular world
Date: 12 Jan 1993 22:11:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: as296@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anja Demetria Boykin)
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In a previous article, jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood) says:

>In article <1993Jan5.043828.16584@news.acns.nwu.edu> fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (
>Eric West) writes:
>>
>>No word yet on Michael W. Smith's latest single release (assuming that he
>>will release a second single to pop radio)...Details forthcoming if
>>anything happens.
>>
>The next single will be Picture Perfect and Geffen says it is stretching
>releases from Change Your World Out so it could still be a while.
>
I've already heard "Picture Perfect" on seclr radio.
adb


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From: labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com (Joel Labson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: When I least expected.
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:54:11 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

I post this question before...I will try again...

Does anyone know who the artist of the song "When I least expected"
?????


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Subject: Re: Top 40 question?
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:34:54 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

one of the things i've noticed is that if a person likes some of the 
more cutting-edge music they'll be a lot more likely to enjoy a wide 
variety of other stuff as well. (cutting edge=local scene, new bands,
new styles, not just top-40 "alternative".) the variety is often in
a bunch of non-pop genres. the person who introduced me to Screamin'
Jay Hawkins is a big punk fan. mention Scarlatti & you'll see a lot
of eyes glaze over, unless the people around you are wearing Doc 
Martens, in which case you've got a reasonable chance of receiving a 
reply. my next door neighbor, known for his collection of boots of 
British indie stuff , couldn't wait to show me his newest 
aquisition, a collection of Gregorian chants. there's even a sort of 
big band revival going on.

ya, i'll be the first to admit this is -severe- generalization. i do
think that people who are interested enough in music to seek out &
support the new & different are a lot more likely to have a broad base
of musical appreciation. i'm which side of the chicken 'n egg thing
to argue.

jason

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Subject: re: Re: Mary, did ya know?
From: bproden@ualr.edu
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:55:34 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <07JAN93.09393881.0013@lafibm.lafayette.edu>, HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Holton, Jeffrey Boris 'Baboo') writes:
> In article <SKLEPZI.25.0@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU> SKLEPZI@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU (Steven Klepzig) writes:
>>Michael English sings it, it's the second cut (I think) on his Michael
>>English CD.  I don't know who wrote it and don't remember the title, I think
>>it's called "Mary's song" or something like that.
> 
> No no no...that's Amy Grant!  :)  It's from her "Home for Christmas" CD.
> 
"Mary Did You Know" was recorded by Michael English on his self-titled
debut album.  The singer is talking to Mary.

"Breath of Heaven (Mary's Song)" is the one on Amy's "Home for Christmas."
Here, the singer IS Mary.

Brian P. Roden
Leisure Arts, Inc.
Little Rock, AR
From: vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Vanessa C. Zondervan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Wanted: J M Talbot list
Date: 8 Jan 1993 08:01:43 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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Could someone please post or e-mail me a listing of all the albums John
Michael Talbot has released? Thank you

Just my luck; many of my favorite muscians/T.V. shows/writers are
prolific...ah, the joys of being a collecting-type o' guy!
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From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christianity and The Blues (was Re: Hey, Screamin' Diane)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:21:31 GMT
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In article <1993Jan6.165849.957@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
|>
|> [ stuff deleted ]

Great article, Andy!  I agree wholeheartedly!

|> The music generally developed in such a way that the sixteen-bar
|> gospel songs focused on "spiritual" issues and the twelve-bar
|> blues songs focused on "secular" issues.  But there's nothing
|> inherent in the music that makes this so, and, in fact, a number
|> of blues musicians (most notably the Rev. Gary Davis and Blind
|> Willie Johnson) recorded blues that have quite blatant Christian
|> lyrics.  There's just nothing that is "unchristian" about this
|> music.

My favorite Christian blues album (so far) is Kaiser & Mansfield's
"Trimmed and Burnin'".  All kinds of neat harp, dulcimer, and general
wailing.  Some of the songs are original and some are remakes of Rev.
Gary Davis, Blind Willie Johnson, and maybe others?

|> First, much of blues music is celebratory, and is concerned with
|> *overcoming* sadness and sorrow rather than wallowing in it.  

Yeah, like off "Trimmed and Burnin'":

People I usually would hate, I don't hate no mo'.
People I usually would hate, I don't hate no mo-o-o-o'!!
People I usually would hate, (uhnmhh!) I don't hate no mo'!
's been a GREAT change since Ah been born!

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From: plemmons@mth.msu.edu (Steve Plemmons)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Smitty in Keyboard Magazine
Keywords: Interview
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:03:59 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, Dept. of Mathematics
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For those of you who like Smitty, there is a cool interview with him in the
February issue of Keyboard Magazine.  This is the second month that he has been
in the magazine.  Last month they reviewed his CD.  Check it out.

See Ya,
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From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Is "Hotel California" evil?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:47:11 GMT


yep, a genuinely musical question.
My wife had the local radio station on - the one for middle-aged white men
(why SHE likes it, I don't know), and they had a program on the music of
the Eagles. I've liked some of their songs, but I always got a bit of a
creepy feeling when I hear "hotel california." now, i'm not one always 
looking for demons, but is this song demonic in some way? I asked this to
a friend and he mentioned something about Anton LeVay. Who's that? 
Any opinions on "Hotel California"?


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From: tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster)
Subject: Re: Who does song "House of Faith"?
Originator: tim@kudzu
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:13:55 GMT


In article <1is7mjINN896@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, warrenjr@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
|> 
|> In article <1993Jan11.151053.20824@raid.dell.com>, randy@uutopia.dell.com (Randy Price) writes:
|> >Heard the song on radio, and of course, annoucer did not identify.
|> >
|> >Sort rock/funk/alternative.
|> >
|> >Randy
|> >-- 
|> >Randy Price                      randy@uutopia.dell.com
|> >
|> 
|> The song "House of Faith" was written by Charlie Peacock but appears on the
|> album "A Friend Like U" by Geoff Moore and the Distance.  The album was

Unless my CD cover is wrong, the song was co-written by Peacock AND
Geoff Moore.

|> recently nominated for a Grammy, but I don't think it's that good.
|> 
|> The other recent CCM/Rock Grammy nominees were:
|> 
|> Unseen Power (Petra)
|> Not Ashamed (Newsboys) 
|> Pray For Rain (Pray For Rain)
|> Tales of Wonder (WhiteHeart)
|> 
|> Personally, I would have liked to have seen Mark Heard or Jacob's Trouble
|> nominated
|> 
|> 
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From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Humper Bumper Bashmobile, or why does this record exist?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 13:14:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
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Lauren L. Crawford writes
> In article <1993Jan11.145531.13682@cbnews.cb.att.com>  
ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
> 
 
> Honeytree ... didn't she give us that immortal classic, "Humper Bumper
> Bashmobile"?  
> 
> Hey, there's a thread.  What are the most *absurd* CCM songs you've heard
> over the years?  Samples welcome.  I suspect "Grape, Grape Joy in Jesus"
> has got to be on a few people's lists ...

I have to differ abour "Hummer Bummer Bashmobile".  Sure, it's a 
silly song, but it makes a good point.  That the people 
(or perhaps the songs! :)  that people doesn't think look 
(or sound!) like much are the ones that often give us 
the most when we really need it.

As to really silly (but fun nevertheleless) songs, yes 
"Grape Grape Joy" is on my list, along with:
 
"You ain's smokin' that cigarette, baby it's smokin' you" by Gary S. Paxton.

"Big Rubber Bumpers" by Billy Crockett,

"Meal" by Daniel Amos.

"Our Codependent Love" by Bob Bennett.

"Bush League" by Lost Dogs.

"American Fast Food" by Randy Stonehill.

"Sprit-filled Pizza" by Carman.

But, hey, they all bring a smile to my face when I hear them 
(as long as I look around first to make sure that none of the 
people whom I'm trying to impress with my musical sophistication
know that I'm listening).

To me the really absurd songs (and there are a gaggle of them) 
are the ones with the "Jesus would have died for you if you 
were the only one" theme.  I'm reminded of the passage in the Chronicles of  
Narnia where (I think it was) Lucy asks Aslan "what if I'd ..."?  Aslan's  
reply  criticizes the whole idea of speculating on alternative pasts, since  
the past is past and can't be changed.  So to even ask the question, "would  
Jesus have died for me if I was the only one" seems rather absurd.  I'm not  
the only one, and Jesus did die for me.  That's enough for me.

> 
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From: snowdog@cs.mcgill.ca (Rodney CHANG)
Subject: Re: YES! Hotel California is Evil!
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:49:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.163134.1@vax1.umkc.edu> jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>Well, I've heard the backmasking on the back of the Hotel California Record.
>
>That about ended my liking of the song.
>
>
>
>Jason Purcell

Ever since I've heard of the word bakmasking, I have never figured out how
my brain could so intelligently listen to something backwards and then
reprocess it to get the meaning.  As for those people listening to songs 
backwards and trying to see if they contain hidden messages,
I say "Get a life."

p.s. I do like Hotel California, cool bass line.  Never listen to the words
     though.

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From: prmader@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (MICHELLE MADER)
Subject: Mail Address for Phil Keaggy
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date:  4 Jan 1993 15:02 EST  

Can anyone give me a snailmail address for Phil Keaggy?  Back
when he was with Glass Harp they did a benefit concert for me
when my parents' died in a fire.  (I think it was one of his
last appearances with them.)  Anyway, when I went backstage
to say thanks I was interrupted so many times I gave up and left.
That has always bothered me and I'd still like to say thank you.
So, if you can help I'd appreciate it.


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