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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Tax 'em Aggies...
Date: 23 Dec 1992 13:53:19 GMT
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In <1992Dec22.222338.2949@mdd.comm.mot.com> behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com writes:

> Sorry, couldn't help it.  I really don't mean any ill will towards the 
> Texas A&M program, neither am I jubilating over the scandal.  I am sure
> this is very tough on everyone involved with that program.  However, I
> am delighted that most of the pressure has been lifted off of the UW program
> since everyone is busy covering the TAMU mess.  

  Well, we're just thrilled to be able to help out. :-)  :-(

> I was sick and tired of the local media (and some national) launching 
> an array of torpedos at the UW program.  Some of the stuff they launched
> were unsubstantiated material.  

  I am now glad I stayed out of those threads.  SO FAR, all we have is the
rantings of ONE newspapers "anonymous" sources.  No proof of wrongdoing has 
been found yet.  Now I know how you felt.

> Well, I hope that the NCAA is not too harsh on either the UW or TAMU.  
> Although, I do think that TAMU is going to be more penalized than UW.

  Et tu, Behzad?

  Don't go assuming we're guilty.  I know you didn't like it when folks were
doing the same to U-Dub.

  No, don't go writing us off just yet.  I think things look good enough that
not only will A&M be proven innocent, but the University will sic its lawyers
on the _Dallas Morning News_ for making unsubstantiated allegations.

  But if we are guilty, we're gonna be lucky to get away without the death 
penalty.  


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PAC-10 Overrated!!!!!
Date: 2 Jan 93 04:22:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1993Jan02.042204.66290
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1993Jan01.055939.40969@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>Sorry, had to say it...  All year long we heard about the mighty Pac-10,
>with all their great teams.  And, we heard how one of the factors that showed
>their might was their performance in bowl games  last year... Well, by the
>same criteria, they really SUCK!!!! this year...  What are we at right now,
>1 win in 4 games???  All 4 of which they were favored???   3 of which they
>were teams in the top 25 going against unranked opponents???
>
>Unranked Fresno State DESTROYS the Mighty Ranked USC Trojans...
>Unranked Baylor BEATS the Mighty Ranked Arizona 'Cats (though I thought they 
>					were good as well)
>Oregon gets beat...
>
>Unranked Utah ALMOST (and probably should have) beat Washington State, though
>WSU deserves credit for hanging in there (and should really thank the gods of
>luck that with 1st and goal at the 5, Utah ended up missing the tying FG)
>
>
>Geesh... whats next????
>Stanford...
>Washington...
>??????
>
>1 win, 3 losses...  This will more than likely take both USC and Arizona out
>of the top 25 (and keep Oregon out of there as well) which only leaves
>WSU, Washington, and Stanford... Hell... The Big East had just as many, and
>higher ranked top 25 teams...
>
>Oh well...  live by a fact, die by a fact...  The PAC-10 is really sucking it
>up so far...

Well, Stanford won easily, but Washington LOST!!!!!
That makes it 2 wins, 4 losses for the Pac-10...  pretty bad given all the
hype..  The SEC has looked really good so far...  (Florida, Ole. Miss, 
Tennessee, etc...)
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From: gt6249c@prism.gatech.EDU (The Corinthian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Who woulda thunk it?!??!!!
Date: 2 Jan 93 05:57:32 GMT
Organization: Cracker Barrel



34-13 BAMA!!!!!

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!!!!!!

1992 National Champs!!!!!!!!

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From: michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon)
Subject: Re: RECRUITING: Up and Coming Data
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:26:18 GMT

In <1992Dec28.224815.4352@socrates.umd.edu> elfering@socrates.umd.edu (David J. Elfering) writes:

>In article <1992Dec28.193919.5851@Arco.COM> mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:
>>I have received alot of e-mail asking  recruiting questions. I have just
>>started getting all of my data, even from the east coast. This will take
>>about a week-10 days to compile all of the data, and I will post the
>>results
>>as quick as I can. Thank you for your interest.
>>-- 
>>
>>Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com

>Thanks Mike, I know I for one enjoy the recruiting information as much or
>more than anything else I read on this SIG. Geeze, the thought just
>occurred to me that it might be interesting (if you had all the
>information) to place it at a sight for anonymous ftp.. I think I remember
>someone maintaining a college fb data area, I just can't remember who or
>where. I always enjoy looking at who the top recruits were 5 years ago,
>and seeing how they did in college and which made it all the way to the NFL.

I can supply the site, potentially, if someone wants to furnish the
info.

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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Tennessee Tech Mascot?
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:46:47 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division


Alright, we've had a lot of trivia questions lately.  A friend of mine 
reports having gone to Tennessee Tech, near Cookeville.  Do they have
sports teams?  What is their mascot?  These are not actually trivia
questions, I'm just looking for some info!
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From: C14577@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Debra Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Big East Bowl Preview
Organization: Motorola
Date: 30 Dec 1992 15:02:40 CST

>Does the Big East have any true-grass fields left?

>Pitt, Syracuse, Temple, WVU - have Astroturf
>next year Rutgers plays all home games at the Meadowlands (Astroturf)
>Miami and Rutgers (after 1993) have PAT

>That leave Virginia Tech and BC (I'm not sure what surface these two hae).


>John L

I am not sure about Virginia Tech but BC has artificial turf in
alumni stadium.

Debra Sullivan, BC '92
From: pl05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PATRICIA L. LEBBING)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Special Sugar Bowl Report.
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:32:55 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <BzztvG.AEw@trc.amoco.com>, zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.154732.4767@admin1.memst.edu> jasmith@admin1.memst.edu (J
ohn) writes:
>>           Alabama crushing defense will dominate the Miami
>>         offense, who is lead by a heisman trophy winner that
>>         shouldn't have even been considered in the race for
>>         the heisman.  Alabama offensive will run circles around
>>         the Miami defensive running the score up in the fourth
>>         quarter.  Should have given the heisman to some Alabama
>>         quarterback before the Miami QB.  Roll Tide Roll.
>>
>>         A-L-A-B-A-M-A C-R-I-M-S-O-N T-I-D-E THE VERY BEST OF ALL
>>         THE REST.
>>
>>         Knock-Knock. Who's there? Could be the Tide cause they'd
>>         ROLL all over you.
>>
>>         Roses are red.  Violets are blue.
>>         Alabama the team that going to Roll all over you.
>>
>>         Go Tide GO!!!!
>>
>>         Tick-Tock. Tick-tock.
>>         The times running down on Alabama's crown.
>>
>>         Cane, Cane.  Oh, what pain your going to gain from the game.
>>
>>         Roll Tide Roll.
>>
>>         Alabama #1. Miami somewhere underneath.
>
>well, I was pulling for 'Bama before this article...  :-)
>
>TIE, TIE, TIDE!!!
>
GO CANES
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From: campbell@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Ray E. Campbell)
Subject: Bama National Champs!
Keywords: Down Go The Canes!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:16:25 GMT

Well, The Alabama Crimson Tide did what no one thought they would be able to
do in last night's Sugar Bowl.  They beat the Miami Hurricanes and won
the National Championship, the first for Bama since the legendary Bear
Bryant days.

This game turned out to be a lopsided win for the Tide.  That was surprising
since it was probably the best matchup we have had for the title in
quite some time.  Both teams came in with highly ranked defenses.  It was turn
overs that killed the Canes, namely three interceptions, one returned for a
touchdown.  I believe the other two ints also led to Bama scores.

All in all, I think it was a great game.  Miami has been a great team
for a long time and had a good long winning streak.  But now, it's
the Tide's turn to shine.  Congrats to all the Bama fans out there.  You have
one heck of a team.

Ray Campbell, AT&T, Lisle, IL
(708) 224-4402, campbell@odutsa.nw.att.com

P.S.  It was finally good to see Michigan win the Rose Bowl after a long
drought and avenge last year's loss to Washington.
From: salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Best pro prospect.
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:49:01 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC

Marvin Jones: Maybe a Patriot next year. No idea who will be Seattle first
pick next year. He will have to be an offensive player. Hearst maybe.

I see Torretta going to a Minnesota or a Denver. Elway I'm sure will get
hurt again. 

Who are some other good prospects?
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From: wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: re: trivia
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:25:33 GMT

Mississippi State's football guide for 1992 lists Scott
Field as hosting its first football game in 1914.  This
appears to be older than Grant Field.

Bill



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From: michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon)
Subject: Re: Super Conferences
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:49:33 GMT

In <92Dec17.153752.18524@acs.ucalgary.ca> garbe@smith.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe) writes:

>With the success of the SEC title game I think AD's and Admins at schools
>across the country will more than willing to expand to 12 to increase revenue.
>Here is my prediction of the outcome.

[Much hyperbole deleted...]

>		Big-10		(they don't know how to count past 10)
>	East		West 	

>	Penn State		Nebraska
>	Michigan		Iowa
>	MI State		Minnesota
>	Ohio State		Wisconsin
>	Purdue		Illnois
>	Indiana		Northwestern

Seeing as how you have turned the Big-10 into the Big-Midwest, and
broken up the Big-8, it's quite odd that you left out one of the more
competitive, overall, sports programs in the Midwest: Iowa State.
Considering the intensity of the rivalry between UIowa and ISU, not to
mention the always exciting ISU-Minnesota games, I think Iowa State
would be a more viable option than Nebraska.  What's more, there's
even a rivalry between Iowa State and Michigan of sorts in basketball
since Johnny Orr is the winningest basketball coach at both schools.
Bobby Knight even said they should have chosen Iowa State instead of
Penn State when they expanded the last time.  Not that I want to be in
the Big-TelEveN--the Big-8 is awesome and I'm happy to be associated
with it--I just thought I should clear up your oversight.

>With my proposed breakup of the Big-8, which is not a knock on the conference

[etc.]

>These are just my thoughts, flames, comments, rude remarks are welcome.

Well, there ya go...

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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Copper Bowl: Cougs ready?
Date: 30 Dec 1992 17:25:46 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Dec29.173342.25312@fcom.cc.utah.edu> jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li) writes:
>	It is going to be a tough game for the unexperienced Utes.  However,
>I will take Utah by 3:
>
>			Utah	31
>			WSU	28
   Boy, Helluva guess, just got the teams wrong. Final score was WSU 31,
   Utah 28. Drew Bledsoe passed for 476 yards and Utah's Chris Yergensen
   missed a 20 yard field goal with 3:19 left that could have tied it.

   And, in case you missed it, Fresno State romped over Southern Cal 24-7
   in the Freedom Bowl. Some wild bowl happenings early.

   --salty
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Score of Las Vegas/Silver Bowl
Keywords: tiguzz
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:32:55 GMT
Organization: .

(Brooks Kerry Rownd) writes:
>>the word here in Reno is that Nevada coach and AD, Chris Ault, is just
>>biding his time until the more respectable Western Athletic Conference
>>(WAC), decides to expand, and invites ~both~ Nevada schools (there's
>>a school in the southern part of the state that plays basketball ;-)) into
>>the WAC. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>						^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	And used to run a guy called Icky Woods.  I saw them play 
>	in his senior year on ESPN, but don't remember the opponent...

They also had some cheesy QB named Cunningham at one time, but he could
never win the big one.

--J.J.
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big10 Trivia Quiz...
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:59:38 EST
Distribution: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <JCHO.92Dec21000715@dante.nmsu.EDU>, jcho@nmsu.EDU (CHO) writes:
> How about this....
> 
> Can anyone name the school that use to be in the Big 10...and
> still (to this day) holds the most football wins in the
> Big 10...???

	Still?

	Hmmm.

	Chicago.

Brett
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From: hasley@andy.bgsu.edu (John Hasley)
Subject: Re: RECRUITING: Up and Coming Data
Organization: Bowling Green State Univ.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:19:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.224815.4352@socrates.umd.edu> elfering@socrates.umd.edu (David J. Elfering) writes:
>
>[....] I always enjoy looking at who the top recruits were 5 years ago,
>and seeing how they did in college and which made it all the way to the NFL.

OK, OK, I can take a hint.
Last year I promised to take a look at how the blue-chip players do over
their careers (taking the USA Today 1st and 2nd team All-Americans as
a sample).  Before I submit a request from the fans of the various teams
for information on their freshman year, I would like to ask for comments
on the scoring system.  Here's what I have.  *Constructive* comments
would be appreciated.

----------------
Scoring:
5 All-American (1 or 2)
4 All-Conference of Honorable Mention All-american
3 Starter
2 Second String
1 Spot Player  (special teams, perhaps part-time second-string)
0 Did not Play (for whatever reason)
(please append a 'c' if the player was a team captain)

All-American means from one of the "major" rankings (Associated Press,
Kodak, et cetera).  Local newspapers don't count.

Starter means more than one game.  For freshman year, let's say
at least 3-4 games starting or playing more than anyone else at
his position.

Did not Play is for any reason.  If he's red-shirted, that will
show up in the fifth year (and if he goes to the NFL early, tough.
The original point of this was to determine how important it is
to get the top HS players.)
-------------

I had to stick to semi-objective criteria, because one person's
"did pretty well" is another's "he stunk".  Being voted All-American
is subjective, but it is also definite.  Any suggestions on how to
improve the scoring system?

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From: dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Reflections on I-AA Championship--The immensity of Marshall's  accomplishment.
Date: 23 Dec 1992 09:21:23 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

My best friend recently graduated from Marshall University with a
degree in math, and over her years there she told me many tales of
how academics were consistently given the shaft in favor of athletics.

The new stadium was built in six months.  They have been working on a 
relatively minor renovation of the science building for over six years.

Several academic scholarship programs have been cut to the bare bones.
Athletic scholarships in the major sports, football and mens' basketball,
are still fully funded.

Several students in one particular science program have not been able
to graduate for two years because the department has not had the
funding to give a class these students need to graduate.

To me, Marshall University represents not the best of college football,
as Mr Dunn would imply, but the worst.  The athletic program has been
consistently favored over academic programs at a university where the
academics quite often weren't much to shout about to start with.

I congratulate the players on the football team on their success.
I do not congratulate the administration of Marshall for making it
possible at the expense of the student body at large.

David Paschich
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From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Re: Texas A&M
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:05:17 GMT

In article <Bzq2yp.2CF@trc.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:
>
>
>>Texas A&M was on probation when these infractions occured.  This makes
>                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Oh, the old "guilty until proven innocent routine?"  :-)

  Like Brian Hiegel wrote to me in an e-mail, "NCAA, guilty till proven
  guilty!!"

Have fun.

Happy Holidays,

-Behzad
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From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Protest over FSU Mascot
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 23 Dec 1992 17:09 EST  

In article <Bzq7xD.43C@trc.amoco.com>, zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes...
>In a related note:
> 
>The Dallas Morning News reports that there is a small herd of Buffalo
>who are going to march on the University of Colorado campus in an 
>effort to protest their image being used as a mascot.  "We feel so used
>and left out in the cold.  It's not fair.  No one uses the prairie dog
							    ^^^^^^^^^^^
>as a mascot.

Prairie Dogs.  Isn't that Minnesota?

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From:  ()
Subject: Larry Smith Fired!
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: mental health prevention
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:38:38 GMT

Larry Smith,  coach of the USC Trojans has been forced to resign following the stunning loss to Fresno 
State.   
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: PAC-10 Overrated!!!!!
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 05:59:39 GMT
Organization: VMark Software, Inc.

Sorry, had to say it...  All year long we heard about the mighty Pac-10,
with all their great teams.  And, we heard how one of the factors that showed
their might was their performance in bowl games  last year... Well, by the
same criteria, they really SUCK!!!! this year...  What are we at right now,
1 win in 4 games???  All 4 of which they were favored???   3 of which they
were teams in the top 25 going against unranked opponents???

Unranked Fresno State DESTROYS the Mighty Ranked USC Trojans...
Unranked Baylor BEATS the Mighty Ranked Arizona 'Cats (though I thought they 
					were good as well)
Oregon gets beat...

Unranked Utah ALMOST (and probably should have) beat Washington State, though
WSU deserves credit for hanging in there (and should really thank the gods of
luck that with 1st and goal at the 5, Utah ended up missing the tying FG)


Geesh... whats next????
Stanford...
Washington...
??????

1 win, 3 losses...  This will more than likely take both USC and Arizona out
of the top 25 (and keep Oregon out of there as well) which only leaves
WSU, Washington, and Stanford... Hell... The Big East had just as many, and
higher ranked top 25 teams...

Oh well...  live by a fact, die by a fact...  The PAC-10 is really sucking it
up so far...
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