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From: mrl@nerus.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: RE: More B12 news.
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:26:48 GMT

In a previous article, jamesh@aifh.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton) wrote:
>In article <23NOV92.01351638@nerus.pfc.mit.edu>, mrl@nerus.pfc.mit.edu writes:
># I just read a disturbing article on B12 deficiency in what used to be the
># East-West Journal.  A doctor has found that more patients he is seeing have

(deleted)

># Mark London
># MRL@NERUS.PFC.MIT.EDU
> 
>The most common cause of B12 deficiency is lack of intrinsic factor in the
>stomach, which prevents absorbption of B12, and according to 'Food for a
>future' by
>Jon-Wynne Tyson,some studies have shown that B12 deficiency is MORE common
>amongst
>non veggies than it is amongst vegans, and it's very rare in lifelong vegans.
>In 
>the light of this, the above is worrying for everyone...

The reason I found this article scary was that it was published in a holistic
magazine (that actually used to have a macrobiotic bent, so they were very
holistic), and the doctor they cited I believe was Dr. Rudolph Ballentine, a
doctor who has published a holistic book on nutrition.  This was not an
"establishment" doctor, but was someone who is probably very pro-vegetarian. 
Basically I think that all this means is that people who don't have very good
sources of B12 should definetly consider supplements.

I hope to look at the mag again to get the name of it so you can look it up
yourself.

Mark London
MRL@NERUS.PFC.MIT.EDU
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: Eating spoiled food reduces lifetime?
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.
	<1992Nov11.025957.0910647@locus.com>
	<1992Nov11.150608.10763@genie.slhs.udel.edu>
	<15381@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:28:07 GMT

In article <15381@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> news@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (news) writes:

   I believe the major oxidation problem is with *solidified* oils and fats,
   that is, saturated and "partially hydrogenated".  The liquid vegatable
   oils do not fall in this category (they are either mono- or 
   poly-unsaturated), and thus are less of a risk for oxidation.

No, the situation is exactly the reverse. Polyunsaturated oils have a
higher rate of oxidation than saturated oils and thus increase the
risk of cancer. However, saturated oils and fats are worse for your
heart. The best solution is to reduce your consumption of all kinds of
fats and use mono-unsaturated oils when you do use oils.
Polyunsaturated oils should only be used cold, for things like salad
dressing, because heating increases oxidation.
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From: ai686@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ishaq Syed)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: SCIENCE FAIR
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:58:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I am doing a ;science project on manual dexterity.  I am useing cafine
as a stimulate but I need a depresent.  I plan on using the game TETRIS
to test this.  By there score.  I can not use alchole..I need a saje, lawful
depresent that I can use for this experiment.  If you have anything that might
help me in this experiment please let me know.  If you know of anything
I could add to this experiment please also notify me.  Please resopond as soon
as possible.

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From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Circumcisions as a Trivial Issue
Date: 20 Nov 1992 13:06:07 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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Keywords: circsn

-*----
In article <1992Nov20.142604.21021@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> markn@ssd.comm.mot.com (Mark Nowak) writes:
> Ritualized mutilation is still mutilation even if it is socially
> accepted. ...

   mutilate, v.t., 1. to cut off or permanently destroy a
   limb or essential part of: cripple  2: to cut or alter
   radically so as to make imperfect  [Webster's New
   Collegiate Dictionary]

Lopping off the glans or testes or clitoris qualifies
as mutilation. 

Cutting a small piece of foreskin, piercing the ears (or 
nose or ...), tattooing, etc., are not in the same category.
Some people may find them objectionable, including some 
people to whom they were done as infants.  But labeling it
mutilation is hyperbole.  

> ... And we think we're so superior to "savage" tribes living
> in the jungles of third world countries.

How quaint.  And how stupid.  In terms of ritualistic marking and
similar behaviors, there are strong commonalities among people the
world over. 

Russell
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Baclofen - It Works!
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:13:43 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Nov17.231911.21142@netcom.com> lindae@netcom.com writes:

>
>What is "ephaptic transmission"?  Couldn't find a definition of that anywhere!

The nerve short-circuits, with signals that were supposed to be
efferent (outbound) becoming afferents (inbound).  Sort of a
vicous cycle.

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From: laura@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Contact lenses and blood vessels in the eye!?
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:31:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: suned1.24015
Reply-To: laura@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Port Hueneme Division

In article <28176@castle.ed.ac.uk>, cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
>In article <23904@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL> laura@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL writes:
>
>>At high strengths, glasses become *very* uncomfortable.
>>The weight is cumbersome, even with the new super thin lenses.
>
>>There is a period of weeks of wear to get used to looking at
>>everything curved (imagine your reflection on the back of a spoon).
>
>These problems only occur if you want to follow the current fashion of
>wearing big spectacles.

My doctor would not let me order glass lenses or big frames.  Still, my
glasses are heavy.  

>Although I've never met anyone with worse short sight than
>myself (4" max focus), 

You might not know if you met someone with very bad vision.  Mine is
pretty bad (about 20/800 in both eyes with astigmatism), but I know at
least three people with worse vision.

>and I insist on glass lenses, I've also never
>met anyone with _lighter_ spectacles: the lenses are simply small,
>about 1"x1.5" ellipses, which was as small as I could get -- I'd
>prefer smaller.

Seriously, do you have a really small head?  One friend of mine has
*very* small (child-sized) frames, and super thin lenses, and her glasses
still show those curved lines.  Perhaps there is a difference between
the amount of curvature noticeable in glass vs polycarb?  My last glasses
were plastic, but I notice much more distortion with the new thin lenses.

>These small lenses also give me better vision. There is no curvature
>effect in my peripheral vision, since my peripheral vision simply
>looks outside the lens.

Your vision must not be too bad if you can look outside your lenses for
your peripheral vision.  Lucky you.  If I had really tiny lenses, I would
be restricted to a tunnel-vision view of the world.

>I also feel safer, since the
>extreme edges of my peripheral vision are not obscured by the edges of
>my spectacle frames.

Why don't you just omit the glasses altogether so that *none* of your
vision will be obscured? :)

>Big (heavy) lenses are purely cosmetic ...
>Big lenses are
>the spectacle equivalent of high heels.

Not! :)

laura@tasvax.nswses.navy.mil                      I speak only for myself.
Mom to Maryrose Nadine - born 8-5-92             (No one else will listen.)
From: rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Circumcisions as Medical Fraud
Keywords: circs
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:59:56 GMT
Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA

In article <gdavis.722200408@griffin> gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu
 (Gary Davis) writes:
> Why would anyone want to be circumcised? I can't image a ligitimate
>reason...

Gee, how about because someone is Jewish (or a member of any other 
religion that practises ritual circumsision).

-- 
David Rind
rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: GHB  What is it?
Date: 21 Nov 92 15:16:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz) writes:
: Gaba, GHB and GH-3 are three completely different things.
: 

According to a medline absract I was sent, GHB is metabolized to GABA.
The effects of the substance, as little as half a teaspoon, are quite
pronounced and pleasant.  Mood is elevated, you become more loquacious
and there is a definite feeling of intoxication that is enjoyable. I
think it could possibly be habit forming.  It would be an excellent
replacement I think for alcohol if it were safe.  I have had problems
in the past with alcohol abuse and much prefer GHB.  I wouldn't want
to drive on it though, it definitely impairs balance and coordination,
but it doesn't seem to give the bravado and aggresiveness that alcohol
does so I doubt I would want to at the time.

Another thing; I experimented with it daily for about a week.  At the
start of the period I was very depressed due to a broken love affair.
The depression had been with me for a couple of months.  During periods
of mild GHB intoxication, the depression was lifted and interestingly
by the end of the week when the bit I had obtained was gone, so was the
depression.  That was quite a while ago and it was gone permanently.
This could be pure coincidence but I don't think so.  I wish someone
would do some research on this aspect.  Something fast acting that
could lift exogenous depression would be a real boon if safe.

Bob
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: Prozac side effects
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:53:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.091033.25417@newstand.syr.edu> mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) writes:
>In article <Bxu5nK.26E@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> muwjt@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (William J. Taney) writes:
>>What kind of interaction would PROZAC have with Alchol
>
>Little or none.  Prozac does not potentiate alcohol induced sedation,
>in contrast to other kinds of antidepressants.  People taking tricyclic
>or MAOI antidepressants should NOT be drinking.  However, it is usually
>recommended that people taking any antidepressant medication should
>abstain from alcohol (or keep its use to an absolute minimum) in the
>interest of getting their mood or anxiety disorder under control, and
>avoiding problems with alcohol, for which depressed and anxious
>people are at higher risk.

Isn't there an issue with alcohol reducing the seizure threshold,
especially with fluoxetine and buproprion?

Bill
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From: holen@netcom.com (Victor Holen)
Subject: knee - thear in meniscal cartilage
Keywords: knee,meniscus,cartilage,arthroscopy
Organization: Netcom - Online Comm Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:21:12 GMT

Are there any cures other than cuting off part of the meniscus ?
   After a few months of gradually increasing pain in my knee I went to
a doctor who diagnosed a thorn meniscus and told me that arthroscopy
surgery and cuting of a part of meniscus is th only way to get back
a normal use of the knee. Furthermore, he said that delaying may make
it worse. 
   I'm somewhat woried that cuting of a part of cartilage may cause
arthritism or other problems in the future.
   I've looked thru some literature in a public library and found some
two year old references on experiments on animals to grow/heal
meniscal cartilage.  -But nothing since.  Have the procedures or
experiments ever progressed to humans ?

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine - need definition
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:39:14 GMT

In article <lgndknINNk16@peaches.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes:
>I view this as an issue of the desire to speak sensibly about
>science, *not* as an issue of orthodox vs.  non-orthodox views.
>Bernie Simon, for example, has read about homeopathy, has thought
>about the evidential issues, and presents his case cogently.

You're more impressed with him than I am.

>I think this kind of argument belongs in sci.med.  Similarly, Chuck
>Forsberg's contributions have been valuable, even though I
>sometimes find him strident and extreme.

Chuck's problem is not that he's strident and extreme, it's that he has
a single axe to grind, and uses selective snippets from the literature
to prove its edge.  This is not science, it's the intellectual
equivalent of a ransom note cut from magazines.  Whenever you read
Chuck's "Adiposity 101", ask yourself, "What ISN'T he reporting?
WHY should we trust his selection of "facts"?"  As Gordon points out,
for every study which "proves" his point (i.e., that people can't and
should not lose weight with current techniques because it's futile)
there are studies which contradict this, often in the same journals.
That's because scientific "truth", such as it is, is often to be
found only by wrestling intelligently with the cacophony of contradiction
found in current studies.

> (Of course, Steve Dyer and I have our strident days, also.)

Yeah, so what?  That's not the point--neither of us says dumb things.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: koichi@unixg.ubc.ca (Koichi J Kishimoto)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Myopia: Injury to retina
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:52:35 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

Following on a recent thread about myopia and glasses, I'd like to
solicit information about retinal injury associated with this condition.

In a recent eye examination by an ophthalmologist (I have a severe
case of myopia), he explained that scarring was visible on my
retina. I'm not aware of the scar and it doesn't appear to
interfere with my vision. Now that I know I have it, I'd like to
find out how it may have occurred and how I can prevent it from
deteriorating.

Myopia is often associated with thinner retinas which, I suspect, may 
be a consequence of eye elongation (I'm not an MD). This may in turn
weaken it's attachment to the inner walls of the eye. Why the
scarring may have happened is a mystery. It could have been mechanical
stress, or even an accident with a low power laser I once used for 
research.

Is anyone aware of conditions which can cause scarring? Perhaps
a sport? The only physical activity I engage in are skiing (novice), 
mountain biking and occasional weight lifting.

Any comments appreciated.

Cheers,

-----
K.(John) Kishimoto PhD
Research Engineer
From: pwageman@visual.spk.wa.us (Peggy Wageman)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Fibromyalgia
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:21:01 GMT
Organization: The Visual Market - Spokane, WA

What is fibromyalgia, and what are the symptoms of this disorder?
Is there any connection between cold and feet and fibromyalgia?  Thanks,
Peggy Wageman
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: cmriggin@iastate.edu (Christin M Riggins)
Subject: Re: Toothbrush sterilizers any good?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:08:41 GMT

In article <viking.722325363@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>cmriggin@iastate.edu (Christin M Riggins) writes:
>
>>>Hmmm... if toothbrushes need sterilizing, why not dunk 'em in rubbing
>>>alcohol?  
>
>>Well for one, what about the taste? |P  Yuck!
>
>	As opposed to the taste of the "New Mint-Flavored Gel" toothpaste?
>Give me the rubbing alcohol any day!  I admit, I brush daily, but I really
>hate the taste of the toothpaste.  Give me a beer-flavored paste and
>I'd brush hourly, but they all taste bad so far.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                                

Sigh...  This is why we have Veishea riots.

If you don't like the mint flavor try using just straight baking soda and
flavor it with whatever you want.

>	One might try a soaking in Listerine, among others, to kill the
>critters that inhabit brushes.
>
>< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
><  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  AMEN!
><  "This isn't an answer, it's a pagan dance around a midnight fire  >
><   written in intellectual runes." -- Rich Young                    >

Marie :)


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From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Circumcisions (Are they ever performed on adults ?)
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov15.184102.13259@crc.ac.uk>, mdiffin@crc.ac.uk (Dr. M.C. Diffin) writes...
>>Greetings.  Could someone explain why circumcisions are preformed in the
>>first place ?  Wouldn't it be just as effective to stretch the foreskin so
>>it is loose enough to be fully retracted ?
> 
>Don't know about the second point.  Two major resaons for circumcision:
> 
>1. Cultural.  Some religions (eg Judiasm) insist on it.  In some places
>it is routine by secular condition.
> 
>2. Infection.  Reasonably common in early childhood.

Exactly how common are these infections?  What is your source of 
information?

Are there any studies regarding decreased sensitivity (or is this 
just hearsay)?

>>Anyway, what options are available to adult men who were not circumsized at
>>birth.  

Leave it alone, for one.

- Peggy -
From: sajid@jam.wpd.sgi.com (Sajid Zia)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: vitiligo?
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:01:54 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
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One of my friend has it. I want to know if there is any cure
possible. If not, could someone explain WHY?

thanks and regards,

Sajid
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: bible@iastate.edu (Anthony E Bible)
Subject: Re: O+ Father + O- Mother = ? Childs Health.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:40:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.135232.60899@cc.usu.edu> slzh9@cc.usu.edu writes:
>I have a question. Not being a student of biology or medicine, I am wondering
>what the significance of blood types is when determining the health of children
>if the father is O+ and the mother is O-. What are the potential health 
>problems of offspring and what can be done to ensure healthy children. Mostly,
>is this any thing that I should worry about.
>
>Any information will be greatly appriciated and will help me resolve my
>concerns.
>
>

	I am A+ and my wife is O-.  We had a girl and identical twin boys, all 
of whom grew up healthy and continue in good health.  I think the kids were all 
(X)+, but I don't recall for sure.
	It has been awhile since I read about this, but my recollection is that
problems develop when the mother is (X)+ and the fetus is (X)-.  It is the 
mother's Rh factor (the +) which has a bad reaction with the baby's blood which 
does not have the factor (the -) because it "looks" like an infection.
	If this is of personal concern to you (or someone else) rather than a
matter of curiosity you should consult with your doctor.  I'm just digging
around in the cobwebs of a faulty memory.

Regards,
tony
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Yoghurt producing phlegm?
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:38:59 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <PHR.92Nov12190918@napa.telebit.com> phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:

>Somebody put it to me this way.  "Milk is converted to snot very
>efficiently.  So if you use dairy products while you have a cold,
>your nose will run a lot."  Sounded plausible.  In my personal
>experience, the conclusion seems to be true.

This snot/dairy-products connection is very widely believed, including
some MDs (e.g. two of the seven UK NHS doctors who have treated me
during my lifetime). In my own case, whether or not I have a cold,
there is no detectable difference in snot levels between consuming
zero dairy products for a week, and drinking two pints of (full-fat)
milk, eating half a pound of cheese, and probably an ounce of butter,
every day for a week.

It was then suggested to me that I had to get all of the milk out of
my system, which would take at least a month. So I abstained from all
dairy products for three months. No effect. My normal consumption is
about 2/3 of a pint of milk, 1/5 pound of cheese, and some butter, a
day. (Not a popular diet these days, but I feel it protects me from
the bad effects of the pseudo-butter which the cholesterol scare has
panicked people into consuming :-)

Can anybody cite any peer-reviewed studies supporting this
milk-makes-snot hypothesis?
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