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From: gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Want Info On ASD/Other Composite Boards
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:08:55 GMT
Reply-To: gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

In article <183447@pyramid.pyramid.com>, billmar@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com
 (William Martinson) writes:

|> >For those who own a recent ASD design, I'm thinking of choosing between
|> >their 8'8" course-slalom and the 8'8" bump and jump.  Can someone who
|> >has tried both give me a rundown on one versus the other?
|> >
|> If you are concerned about planing through lulls you should consider at
|> least the ASD 9'1" or the new 9'4" along with a larger sail.  The reason
|> you drop off a plane is because your board, sail and fin are not
|> large enough for the prevailing conditions.
|> 
|> Bill Martinson
|> US-940

Just to add to this, a course slalom will plane quicker than a 
bump and jump design, the latter of which has rocker and softer rails.
However, the bump and jump is more fun in higher wind, as slalom boards 
tend to get squirrely when overpowered.  My epoxy course slalom becomes 
no fun in 4.5 or better conditions in which case I move down to an 
8'6" glass bump and jump.

If you like to go fast in light winds you simply can't do better than an
epoxy course slalom.  I would not get an epoxy bump and jump however.
When the going gets rough, the extra flotation of an epoxy is the last 
thing you want, IMHO.  I actually prefer the extra weight of polyester
glass in rough conditions.

Will also asked the difference between production boards and ASD or
Mike's Lab epoxy boards.  The production boards I'm familiar with are
molded shells around foam.  The custom epoxy boards are very light 
EPS foam, hand shaped and sandwiched by 1/4" top and bottom layers of 
(divinicell?) a stronger high density foam which gives strength and 
stiffness.  ASD's lamination is done by vacuum bagging the board to a
custom  built steel setup table tuned to the specific rocker profile 
for that board.  The laminated board is than wrapped in glass and epoxy.  
The result is stiff, light and easy to repair.  These boards are 
very labor intensive, resulting in the high price. 

-joel
From: hartman@fanatic.EBay.Sun.COM (Robert Hartman)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Want Info On ASD/Other Composite Boards
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:59:40 GMT
Reply-To: hartman@fanatic.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: fanatic.ebay.sun.com

In article 110628@wsl.dec.com, gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.171222.13165@eplrx7.es.duPont.com>, costello@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Tim Costello) writes:
>Say, isn't GEM what Nevin Sayre races on?  I know when the Nationals were
>held in SF earlier this year, he changed from whatever he was on to an ASD
>epoxy after Rob Hartman was blowing his doors in practice on his.  Nevin took
>first in the Nationals on the ASD and Rob wasn't far behind, (mebbe 3rd?),
>But from what I've heard, Nevin has switched back to his former boards and 
>I believe they were GEMs.  Anyone know for sure?  If true, it would be
>interesting to here more about GEMs and why Nevin switched back, for that 
>matter.
>
>-joel


I sailed with Nevin in early July at Crissy Field, he was sailing GEM production
boards.  Of course, I quizzed him, "Where's the ASD, and what's with the GEM?"
Turns out he had a business deal going with GEM that was coming together before
I even met him last summer.  Promotional $$$... Apparently the ASD stays at home.
Nevin's a business man. (retired pro racer).


Rob 

P.S.  I didn't get to try the GEM, but it looked like it would work well...
From: hartman@fanatic.EBay.Sun.COM (Robert Hartman)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Sail survey results
Date: 9 Sep 1992 20:30:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: hartman@fanatic.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: fanatic.ebay.sun.com

In article 74100159@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com, poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton) writes:
>> The winner swept both categories with 17 YEARS & 12 SAILS.  Can anyone beat
>> this?  
>
>Sure.  I've been sailing for 10 years (seriously for only 3) and have owned
>14 sails in 4 generations of sail technology: 2 1982 dacron rags, 2 1989
>RAF, 5 1990 CI, 5 1991 CI with floppy leach.  When you use a quiver of
>5 sails, it's pretty easy to amass a large total.   I'll bet Rob Hartman
>and Walt Menge have had more like 20.
>
>
>Ken "not planning to buy any more sails for a while" Poulton
>poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com


Well, I figure I'd write down all the sails I can remember:

5.7 soft	85
6.3 soft	85
6.0 Pryde RAF	85
7.0 Warp Speed	86
8.0 Hyde RAF	86
5.0 Pryde RAF	86
4.5 Simmer wave	87
5.0 North Ezzy wave 87
5.5 WindWing wave 87
5.6 WindWing CLE 88
6.3 WindWing CLE 88
5.8 Waddell Speed slalom 88
4.7 Waddell race 89
5.3 Waddell race 89
5.9 Waddell race 89
6.6 Waddell race 89
4.2 Waddell shock wave 89
4.7 Waddell shock wave 89
5.2 Waddell shock wave 89
4.7 Waddell Race 90
5.2 Waddell Race 90
5.7 Waddell Race 90
6.2 Waddell Race 90
6.7 Waddell Race 90
4.2 Waddell shock wave 90
4.7 Waddell shock wave 90
5.2 Waddell shock wave 90
4.2 Waddell Mono Slolom 91
4.7 Waddell Race 91
5.2 Waddell Race 91
5.7 Waddell Race 91
6.2 Waddell Race 91
6.8 Waddell Race 91
4.7 Waddell Surf Slalom 91 (for my girlfriend)
5.3 Waddell Surf Slalom 91 (for my girlfriend)
4.7 Waddell Race 92
5.2 Waddell Race 92
5.7 Waddell Race 92
6.2 Waddell Race 92
6.7 Waddell Race 92
4.5 Paia Custom Race 92
5.0 Paia Custom Race 92
5.5 Paia Custom Race 92
6.0 Paia Custom Race 92
6.5 Paia Custom Race 92
7.3 Paia Custom Race 92


I count 46...  The Paias and the 90 Shock Waves are the only 
ones still in my possesion!

I started in '85, and started getting significant deals on 
equipment in '88....   Somtimes it's a pain trying to sell 
this stuff, other times it seems everyone wants to buy!


Rob
From: wiltonh@biker.cci.tek.com (Wilton Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re:Chinook Base  Was(How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast)
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:14:21 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

>P.S.  A while ago, I had posted, asking for help regarding breaking downhauls
>and mast extensions.  Following the net's advice, I got a solid-looking 
>Chinook extension, and a Chinook grommet pulley that have been holding up very 
>well.  I highly recommend the Chinook pulleys - they don't cost you any "gap"
>and make it easier to downhaul your sails (easier => less stress on equipment
>=> less breakage).  In fact, I haven't broken anything since I got it.

Chinook has changed their mast base and extension diameter from last year to
this year.  This means last years base will not fit with this years extension
very well.  The 1992 is smaller in diameter than 1991.

The cup on one of my mastbases needed replacing so I went to a shop and 
purchased a new one.  I found out that it was too small for my 5 extensions.
I went back to the shop and asked what was going on.  That was when I found
out about the change.

This will only effect you if you have several bases and extensions and plan
to exchange them.  My wife and I both sail and we exchange sails almost 
every day we sail.  She uses 1/2 meter smaller sail than I do and rerigging
the extension so we can swap would be a BIG pain.

Chinook is built in the Gorge and they generally make good gear but I am not
going to buy a mast base that cannot interchange with last years gear.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing,ba.forsale,misc.forsale
From: cemax@netcom.com (CEMAX)
Subject: Windsurf Board For Sale
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 14:51:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ca
Keywords: Wind, Sail, Surf

			FOR SALE
			--------

Fanatic 320 board and original rig for sale - harness included ! Needs new
footstraps, otherwise in excellent condition.  Upgraded fin as well.
It's been real good to me. Lots of time in the Delta.

Asking price:  $600

(yea, I know, I've seen the other one for sale at the same price, but
he's not giving yoou the harness as well !)

Contact:  Don Traub  (510)745-8302 (evenings) or (408)727-5546 x321 (days)
	  or email  don@aaisd.com or michelle@cemax.com

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: janusz@leland.Stanford.EDU (Janusz Mrozek)
Subject: Optimal Sail Quivers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 06:09:45 GMT

What do you think are the best size intervals for a sail quiver, especially
for the newer, wider-range sails?

For that matter, should sail sizes increase in constant proportion (as many 
sail models do) or should they increase in fixed increments (as some do)?
Is there some connection to some law of physics?  I remember from my days in
trucking that the air resistance of the truck increased with the square of 
the speed, but I can't relate this rule to sail sizes (probably because sails
do not face the wind flat, but form a foil at a small angle of attack).

Why do I ask?

I sail on a mix of older Gaastra intermediate sails (as opposed to racing),
and my sizes go 4.5, 5.0, 5.7, 6.4, and 8.4.  Aside from the big sail the gaps
increase proportionally at about 13 percent bigger than the next smaller.
I like Gaastra and I've been considering buying a quiver of CS II's, but
that sail line has the same sizes.  I would like to be able to buy fewer sails,
but going every other sail in the line seems too much: 4.4, 5.7, 7.2.  These
jumps are about 28 percent.

So why hasn't the benefit of wider wind range sails hit Gaastra's intermediate
sail lines?  Is there another intermediate sail line (very loose definition:
not more than one internal camber or two external cambers) that allows me to
buy fewer sails?

Here is my optimal quiver.  Until someone convinces me otherwise I assume that
sail sizes should increase in fixed proportion.  As my base sail size I 
arbitrarily choose a 7.5 so that I can get an IYRU sail for course racing.  
After thinking about many combinations I have settled on 21% jumps in size,
which are larger jumps than in the sails I have now, but not as large as going
every other sail.  The resulting quiver:  3.5  4.2  5.1  6.2  7.5  9.0  11.0

For my immediate needs here in the SFBay area I have a 3-sail quiver 4.2-6.2 
instead of the 4-sail 4.5-6.4 quiver I have now.  Give me some time and I'll
move up to 3.5 wind conditions eventually, but not yet.

I can approximate this quiver with Gaastra Slalomfoil Pro 4.2 5.2 6.2 but I 
don't want the racing sails.  Maybe I need to switch to Neil Pryde Street
Racer 4WD (?correct sail line, or is it the V8) 4.0 5.0 6.0 .

Anyway, I'd love to read what people think about sail ranges, proportionality,
ideal quivers, etc.  

Janusz Mrozek
janusz@leland.stanford.edu
From: jroersma@orion.oac.uci.edu (John Roersma)
Subject: Re: Question re sources for Tandem boards.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:34:03 GMT

wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg) writes:

>In article <4213@winnie.fit.edu> wells@zach.fit.edu (James M. Wells) writes:
>>I would like to buy a tandem (two masted) sailboard.
>>I believe they are common in Europe, but very rare here.
>                    ^^^^^^
>>Can anyone give me an address or phone number where I 
>>might obtain one?

I saw one of these things in a shop the other day.  The board was
VERY long (it was standing up vertically so I can't really guess at
the exact length).

The shop was Infinity Surf & Sail, in Dana Point.  If you
want to give them a ring, their number is (714) 661-6699.

--John
jroersma@orion.oac.uci.edu
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:09:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Right of way
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

While yielding R.O.W. by heading downwind is probably the "correct" thing for
a port-tacker to do, I often pinch up to get by someone on starboard tack.
This is mostly because I feel more comfortable doing this than going off the
wind and potentially falling off the board right in front of the oncoming
sailor. Especially in gusty conditions where a good puff is likely to send you
over the handlebars in a spectacular harness catapult. I don't do this to be
macho - I do it because I feel more in control of my equipment and thus less
likely to fall. But when this situation arises I always try to make the course 
corrections well in advance of the potential crossing. If the starboard sailor
holds his course, then I am still yielding the right of way and everyone is
happy. Right? 
---
Rolf Schreiber                              Internet:rolf@ames.ucsd.edu
----------

If your pinching causes the sailor on starboard tack with the Right-of-way
(ROW) to change course or slow down, then you are in the wrong.

Going over the handlebars downwind of the a sailor with the ROW is preferable
to causing her to alter her course or slow down.

==> If conditions, sail size, or skill level prevents one from following 
==> the ROW rules, then that person has no business being out on the water 
==> endangering others.

I remember sailing the Power Lines on Sherman Island, CA on a 3.5 day with
a flattened 4.5.  I sailed about 2 hours and had a good time.  I would
often have to sail well downwind over some big swells to yield the ROW when
I was on port tack, but it was easy to make it all back up and then some
once I jibed and headed back the other way with the ROW if others followed
the rules and yielded as I had done.  If my skill level didn't allow me to
do this, then I would have had NO BUSINESS being on the water.  A friend
who doesn't have the skill to do this still had fun without endangering
others by sailing very slow when on starboard tack so he didn't loose too
much ground yielding and then he could practice the skills going the other
way with the ROW.  Thus it is possible to learn to sail in difficult
conditions without endangering others IF ONE FOLLOWS THE ROW RULES.

If it is gusty and you need to yield, then you can always sheet out, step
forward on your board, and then slow down until the sailor with the ROW
is clear.  This way you don't get too far downwind.

Kirk out
From: cp@verdix.com (Chris Perret)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Cook Isle's (windsurfing ?? surfing??)
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:52:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: verdix.9195
Reply-To: cp@verdix.com (Chris Perret)
Organization: Verdix Western Operations; Aloha, OR


	Subject says it all. Heading to the Cook Islands in late October. 
Has anyone been there? what's the windsurfing like? Is there good wind?
What about surfing? I'm checking my back issues of Surfer, but haven't
seen anything.  It looks like there might be some great breaks
near Raratonga, but wanna know more.
Any and all info appreciated.
Thanks
Chris Perret
From: alain@paris.asd.sgi.com (Alain Dumesny)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Multi-Sail (two sails in one) recommendation ?
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:22:34 GMT
Reply-To: alain@sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.173936.12705@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, scott@fido.cs.jhu.edu (Scott Smith) writes:
|> 
|> I just ordered a Multi-Sail a few days ago, so I gave them a call and
|> asked them about this.  They said the sails are loose-leach
|> pre-twisted, and have been so since 1989.  He thought the problem
|> might have been that they rigged the sail wrong at the clinic (wrong
|> mast or too much outhaul), he had heard reports of similar problems at
|> other rigging clinics.  
|> 
|> Scott

Yep. The brochure they send me mentioned that the sails were loose-leach
and pre-twisted. One things they didn't mention was whether they require
flex top, or constant curve masts, and what kind of mast. Seems that for
high performance sails (what they claim), the mast type should be very
important.

I also thought that $399 per sail was kind of expensive, considering they
were not brand names and were sold throught mail order (which is more of a
pain than buying it down at your favorite store, especially if something
goes wrong with it). Ok, so it is more like $199 per sail, since you get 2
sails out of them. Still, $399 seems relatively expensive...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Alain Dumesny	alain@sgi.com	(415)390-5250	    Silicon Graphics Inc.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg)
Subject: Re: How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:15:12 GMT

In article <12836@express> beaudoin@Software.Mitel.COM (Richard Beaudoin) writes:
>Suggestion needed to seperate a 2 piece mast. 
>
>Friend of mine has a 2 piece mast which both pieces got stuck together after
>rigging on the beach. We tried tying one end to a post and both of us pulling
>all our might on the other end but the thing wouldn't budge. He also tried
>using penetrating oil, again, no success. Now I'm hopping someone in the
>group may have a suggestion.
>
>Richard

I've solved this one before. :-)

You're mast tapers from the LARGE end to the small end.
Secure a rope from a post to the large end to a post.
Because of the taper, the rope shouldn't be able to slide
off the mast.  It is a good idea to use a lot of coils
around the mast.

Now the hard part.

tie one end of a long sturdy rope to your bumper or trailor hitch.
The other end is going to have to attach to the top of the mast but will
be pulled in the direction of lessening diameter (bummer).  What you do
is create a strap wrench in a sense.  You wrap the rope around the mast
a number of times ans then feed the remaining rope off at something
like a 90 degree angle. Your friend holds this TIGHT and pulls while
you drive the car. You'll have to experiment with optimal rope wrapping
techniques and where to orient the end of the rope that your friend
holds.  Damn, if I were a poet and not an enginerd, I could probably
describe this better.  One thing about the coiling on the small end,
The rope your friend holds should be fed between the mast and the rope
heading off to the trailor hitch after all of the coiling is done.

GOOD LUCK

The mast I freed up couldn't be separated by 6 people pulling on the
ends.

Andy


Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: na
Date:  8 Sep 92 13:20:37 GMT

robg@Cadence.COM (Rob Garneau) writes:

>A few people were talking about wearing a PFD in case their board got away
>from them and they were not able to swim fast enough to catch it. Has that
>ever happened to anyone?

It happened to me on a Hobie 18 (catamaran). I had to swim to shore in less
than hospitable conditions.
--
chad
price@helios.unl.edu
cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 12:51:08 GMT
Subject: UPDATED SF_misc FAQ
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
From: costello@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Tim Costello)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Want Info On ASD/Other Composite Boards
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:34:18 GMT
Organization: DuPont Engineering Physics Laboratory

From article <1992Sep11.110628@wsl.dec.com>, by gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten):
> 
> Say, isn't GEM what Nevin Sayre races on?  I know when the Nationals were
> held in SF earlier this year, he changed from whatever he was on to an ASD
> epoxy after Rob Hartman was blowing his doors in practice on his.  Nevin took
> first in the Nationals on the ASD and Rob wasn't far behind, (mebbe 3rd?),
> But from what I've heard, Nevin has switched back to his former boards and 
> I believe they were GEMs.  Anyone know for sure?  If true, it would be
> interesting to here more about GEMs and why Nevin switched back, for that 
> matter.
> 
> -joel


	Yeah, that's the one, Nevin Sayre's signature comes with it too!
Actually, don't know anything about him using them other than the propaganda
about the boards included in the sales brochures. 


-- 
Tim Costello
Du Pont Merck Pharmaceutical
costello@eplrx7.es.dupont.com
From: hip@a.cs.okstate.edu (HUFFMAN BRADLEY SP)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Right of way
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:55:22 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University

From article <1992Sep11.112719.13779@srg.srg.af.mil>, by mjarriel@atria.srg (Michael Jarriel x4751):
> 
> To join (or just write the USWA) 
> 
> USWA
> P.O. Box 978
> Hood River, OR  97031
> 
> Dues
> $20 Individual
> $10 If you are a member of a local club
or USSA (formaly USYRU).
From: bo@yenta.alb.nm.us (Bo Farley)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Optimal Sail Quivers
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:49:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm

I own 2 Gaastra Slalom Foil Pros, they're the 91's and I love em.
I have a 6.2 that I can hold onto pretty well even when people have rigged
down to their 4.5's. I also have a 5.2 that I sail when the 6.2 is overpowering.
 I can sail these 2 gaastra in complete control in some very overpowering conditions just by adjusting the downhaul....
From: kramer@hermes.ics.uci.edu (David Kramer)
Subject: water quality
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Reply-To: kramer@ics.uci.edu (David Kramer)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:16:19 GMT

This morning's LA Times reports that there is a 20 year old DDT dump
two miles off Cabrillo Beach (a popular sailing spot in S.
California).  The area still has extremely high toxicity and no native
bottom dwellers live in a particular 4 square mile area. They also
report that LA dumps 320 million gallons of sewage there a year, only
200 million of which meet federal treatment standards.

Beat that for a pristine sailing site!

David

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: cjb3701@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Chris Bigenwald)
Subject: Re: Swimming back with your gear
Reply-To: cjb3701@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:41:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.024643.3645@adobe.com>, mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang) writes:
>Well, this is interesting. I would recommend almost the complete opposite.
>
>* Pull mast track all the way forward (toward nose)
>
>* Straddle board just above universal joint, facing nose
>
>* Pull rig onto tail
>
>* Lie on your stomach and stick your legs through the booms to
>  balance the rig.
>
>* Paddle into shore.

Yes, that works but if you lie on your back you don't have to take off your
harness and you don't strain your neck holding your head off the board.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: msk@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Mark Kaplan)
Subject: Hatteras conditions in October
Organization: Mentor Graphics, Silicon Design Division
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:28:18 GMT

We are planning on heading to hatteras during the middle
of October and renting a house for a week.

What can we expect for:

	Sailing conditions
	Water temp
	Air temp

thanx
From: gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Want Info On ASD/Other Composite Boards
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:06:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: wsl.1992Sep11.110628
Reply-To: gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

In article <1992Sep11.171222.13165@eplrx7.es.duPont.com>, costello@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Tim Costello) writes:
|> 
|> 	Being on the "right" coast (yeah, SURE, especially for windsurfing
|> in the summer time), we don't see too many ASD (I don't think I've ever seen
|> one) boards around here.  But THE fastest board I've seen this year has been
|> the 9'2" GEM board.  

Say, isn't GEM what Nevin Sayre races on?  I know when the Nationals were
held in SF earlier this year, he changed from whatever he was on to an ASD
epoxy after Rob Hartman was blowing his doors in practice on his.  Nevin took
first in the Nationals on the ASD and Rob wasn't far behind, (mebbe 3rd?),
But from what I've heard, Nevin has switched back to his former boards and 
I believe they were GEMs.  Anyone know for sure?  If true, it would be
interesting to here more about GEMs and why Nevin switched back, for that 
matter.

-joel
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing