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From: dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay)
Subject: Re: Accents (Was: Re: Most Overrated Actor/Actress)
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:39:16 GMT

jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:

> In article <1992Dec22.160358.6106@nosc.mil> barrus@cod.nosc.mil  
> writes:
> > 
> > In article <Bzn98t.BAn@unix.amherst.edu>  writes:
> > >In article <1992Dec21.080055.7355@syma.sussex.ac.uk>  
> nealet@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Neale Type) writes:
> > >
> > >Accents, accents, accents.  Don't you people ever pay any  
> attention to
> > >anything else?
> > >
> > >Someone else please raise your hand if you couldn't care less  
> whether
> > >someone has adopted the correct fake accent for a particular role.
> > 
> > Generally, I think accents are irrelevent in playing a role.  It is  
> your 
> > interpretation of the character that is important not the accent.   
> If you 
> > are having trouble with an accent then spending too much of your  
> energy on 
> > trying to get it right can take away from the rest of your  
> performance.
> > 
> >
> I don't care if someone doesn't get quite the right accent, as
> long as it sounds reasonable.  It didn't bother me that Robert
> Shaw's Yankee accent in Jaws wasn't quite right: it sounded good.
> However, accents can be a problem if the DON'T sound right. Costner's
> horrible accent in Robin Hood is a case in point. It just sounded
> dumb, and distracted the viewer of the film.
> 
> --
> Jim Mann            
> Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  

What about Tony Curtis's immortal "Yonda lies the castle of my Fadda" :)

Dascoser
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner)
Subject: Re: Movies you loved, but couldn't see more than once.
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 11:44:12 GMT

In article <3968@creatures.cs.vt.edu> sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle) writes:
>For me, the ones that I can see over and over again, everytime
>finding something to get excited about are:
>
>    The Passenger (with Nicholson): for some reson, I found this movie
>    very deep--though I have yet to find someone who'll agree with me 
>    on this!

Shouldn't be too difficult. "Intellectuals" used to dig Antonioni, or is this
passe now?				:-)
								M.H.
From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Jackie Chan on Discovery Channel
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:04:02 GMT
Organization: Chevron


 Discovery channel's The Incredibly Strange Film Show did a show about
 Jackie Chan and Chinese martial arts films the other night.

 Lots of behind the scenes stuff.  Now, I had heard that sometimes the
 actors actually HIT each other.  But I had no idea that they almost
 KILL each other.  They showed outtakes where actors and actresses get 
 put in the hospital.  Jackie said that they have the actors sign a 
 contract saying "If I hit you and you die, it's okay."  I always thought
 that some of that "acting" looked like the real thing.

 TRAVIS
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: TOYS - where was it filmed
Date: 26 Dec 92 00:40:57 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <3558@carroll1.cc.edu> pwickman@cerebus.cc.edu (Paul J. Wickman) writes:
>
>	Can someone PLEASE tell me where those beautiful rolling grass hills
>used in the film TOYS (Robin Williams) are located?  If it was mentioned in
>the closing credits I missed it.
>

Not grass, but wheat.

The place: near Spokane, Washington.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
From: hamster@zikzak.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: _Wild Orchid II, Two Shades of Blue_
Date: 22 Dec 1992 09:42:06 +1100
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au

01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

>> I just rented _WOII,TSOB_ last night, and I was REALLY suprised.  I
>> enjoyed this movie very much.  I saw the un-cut version of _Wild Orhid_
>> and wasn't all that impressed.  I think the second one was much better.  
>> 
>> But why did they even bother to call it _WOII_?  It seemed to be very much
>> a stand-alone movie that had nothing to do with _WO_ except for the
>> erotisism.  

Sorry, I missed the origianl post, but anyway...

The film released as Wild Orchid 2 was not filmed as a sequel to Wild
Orchid; an interview with Zalman King in Premiere magazine at the time the
film was being shot had the title as "Blue Movie Blue". If anyone's
interested I could dig up the article and quote the relevant bits... :-)




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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Poseidon Adventure - blue eyes or else!?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 17:09:03 GMT

In article <KAN.93Jan1222917@yoyodyne.rtp.dg.com> kan@dg-rtp.dg.com writes:
>Is this a frequently asked question during this time of year?  Yep, I
>just watched the Poseidon Adventure on New Year's Day, again.
>
>For the first time, I noticed that everyone who survived had blue
>eyes.  Was it my imagination or was this really the case?
>Coincidence?  Subliminal message?  Should we non-blue-eyed folks stay
>away from cruise ships?

They were also all right-handed, heterosexual non-Asians.  But don't
get into the conspiracy discussion until my book comes out, "Blue-Eyes
Trapped in Upside-Down Boat:  Accident or Deliberate Sabotage?"

You'll notice that they also went to great lengths to make a fat
person a hero.  
>
>Does Kathy Lee Gifford have blue eyes? :-)

If you look very close.  But don't mention that I said that around Frank.

GM("But What Do You RALLY Mean?!")S
From: takoosma@utkvx1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Suggestions for recent "foreign" films
Date: 31 Dec 92 14:53:00 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

A local movie house which used to show $1 movies and serve beer to your
table--it was a good place to see Wayne's World--has decided to change its
image. They got rid of the tables and the beer, installed conventional (but
rather comfy) theater seats, jacked up the ticket price and started showing
foreign* films, a rare treat in this town.  For openers they showed Waterland
and The Best Intentions.   We met the manager and found out he knows nothing
about foreign films and is open to suggestions.  Anybody got any?  I'm
specifically interested in new films.  For starters, can somebody tell me the
name of the latest film by Jhang Yimou, the director of Raise the Red Lantern?

*Foreign to the US, that is.

Toby Koosman
University of Tennessee   Knoxville, Tennessee  USA
Internet: koosman@utkvx.utk.edu     Bitnet: koosman@utkvx
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: TOP TEN MOVIES, as of 23 December 1993
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:14:05 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>Malcom X, on the other hand grossed forty million.  Halve that for
>return to the studio.  Subtract another ten for promotional 
>expenses.  The movie's twenty million in the hole.  And while
>Dracula is a story that will sell overseas, do Europeans and
>Japanese really care to sit for 3 and a half hours on the life of
>a radical American black activist?  I doubt it.

    That is the same as asking if Americans would sit for a long showing
of the life of Stalin, or Ghandi. I wouldn't underestimate the effect
that Malcom X had on this country and possibly on the world, where
racism is concerned.

--
-Brian V. Hughes
	       "I am the terror that flaps in the night!
	  I am the $10 service charge on every returned check!
			  I'm Darkwing Duck!!"
From: joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: res. dogs SPOILERS (really!)
Date: 28 Dec 92 13:55:23 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine

SPOILERS



In article <1992Dec27.061533.25644@netcom.com> estrayer@netcom.com (Eric Strayer) writes:
>iqv@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>>a question

>>1)  What was the score at the end of the movie?   It looked like the keitel
>>character shot Joe, and fast eddie shot keitel, and joe shot mr orange, but
>>who shot fast eddie?  did keitel get off two shots, or was it mr orange, or
>>what?  it happened so fast I missed it.

Well, what I saw was at the beginning Joe was pointing his gun at 
Mr. Orange, White (Keitel) was pointing his at Joe, and Fast Eddie was
pointing his at White.  Joe shot Orange, White shot Joe and then Fast
Eddie while Eddie was blasting White.  White was a better shot than Joe
and Eddie.  I wouldn't mind watching that scene again to be absolutely 
sure but that's what I saw.

>>I thought this was an amazing movie.

Yup.

>Great movie. I phreaked on the torture scene however. 

Yea, I agree.  It wasn't just the graphic stuff either (that I had no
problem with) it was Blondie visibly getting off on it - the music gave it
and added dimension of cruelty as well.

Joan
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From: quale@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Doug Quale)
Subject: Re: Digital Dolby (was Re: TOYS)
Reply-To: quale@saavik.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin -- Madison
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 07:23:27 GMT

In article <MERLYN.92Dec25103335@agora.rain.com> you write:
>(yuck), ALADDIN (thumbs and swords up), and then TOYS.  And today I
>will see THX *70mm* Digital Dolby for HOFFA (another first in
>Portland).  Way cool.
>

Sorry, Dolby Digital is strictly a 35mm format.  If you see it in 70mm,
it will be in the Dolby A type noise reduction magnetic 6-track analog
recording, which has greater headroom (louder louds without clipping)
than Dolby Digital.  Dolby Laboratories has no immediate plans to release
a 70mm digital format.  The 35mm Dolby SR *D format (Dolby Digital) was
created to give 35mm prints the same discrete 6-track sound quality as
expensive 70mm prints.  Both formats are excellent and in properly tuned
rooms both are an experience worth listening to.

>Just another video producer, looking for the best in theatre sight and sound,

Just the brother of a Tom Hollman trained film sound geek --
(Tom Hollman is the T & H in THX.)
-- 
Doug Quale
quale@saavik.cs.wisc.edu
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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: New Zucker Brothers movie(rental)  "Brain Donors"..anyone see it?
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:11:43 GMT

Well, I paid bucks to see it.  Wasn't worth the bucks.  BUT, if you're 
renting it, it is well worth the bucks for the rental.


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From: merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: _Toys_, the trailer
Organization: Stonehenge Consulting Services; Portland, Oregon, USA
	<summer.724634367@murillo>
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 00:15:00 GMT

In article <summer.724634367@murillo> summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield) writes:
   I saw the trailer for "Toys" last night.  It's very funny -- Robin Williams
   standing in a field (which he says is actually the "world's largest sound
   stage"!)  It's a sequence of short, very different, very funny "experimental"
   advertisements for the film, with no footage from "Toys".  Anyone who has
   seen the trailer for "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" will notice some
   similarity.

They missed the most obvious joke though.

"Here I am... a man outstanding in my field."

<Bad pun groaning sounds entirely permitted here...>

Just another bad punster,
-- 
Randal L. Schwartz / Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095
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phrase: "Welcome to Portland, Oregon ... home of the California Raisins!"
From: schmunk@spacsun.rice.edu (Robert Schmunk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Please name this George Stevens film
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:22:55 GMT
Reply-To: schmunk@spacsun.rice.edu (Robert Schmunk)
Organization: Dept. of Space Physics, Rice University, Houston TX

While flipping channels the other night, I stumbled across the A&E program
GEORGE STEVENS: A FILMMAKER'S JOURNEY. When I found it, they were right in
the middle of some clips from a comedy made c. 1940 and starring Jean
Arthur and Joel McCrae. Unhappily, they never mentioned the title. I'd
appreciate it if someone out there could tell me what the movie is, as I
badly want to see the whole thing.

Thanks in advance...
-- 
Robert B. Schmunk <schmunk@spacsun.rice.edu>
SPAC, Rice Univ, Box 1892, Houston, TX 77251 USA
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Accents
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:50:19 GMT

George Swan (gswan@psych.toronto.edu) writes:

> Face it, the accents actors use in films follow conventions, and
> represent compromises.  In many films of World War II, rather than
> having the German characters speak German, they have them speak English
> with a German accent.  Alternatively, consider the original Star Wars.
> All of the imperial officers had slight English accents.

I personally don't care whether an actor uses an accent appropriate to his
role, as long as he can successfully portray the role. I haven't seen
"Prince of Thieves", but if Costner sounded out of place and incongruous
because of his American accent, then something should have been done
differently--whether Costner should have tried to sound English or everyone
else should have tried to sound American is up to you (one guess what 95% of
the net will pick... :^), but if the actor's accent interferes with his
ability to be convincing, then something needs to change. I think it would
have been extremely strange if Brannagh and Thompson had been the only two
characters with British accents in "Dead Again", and was impressed by their
ability to sound reasonably American (once I got over my initial shock :^).

On a side note, remember how "Hunt for Red October" started out with
subtitles under the Russians speaking Russian? I thought at the time that it
would have been a really neat effect if all the Russian scenes had been
filmed in Russian and subtitled for the entire movie. Did this occur to
anyone else when watching "Red October" for the first time? Was the thought
that most of the movie might be in subtitled Russian a cause for dismay, or
delight? In my case, definitely the latter, and I was almost disappointed
when they switched to English. Ah well, so it goes.
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
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From: dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Help
Date: 22 Dec 92 05:52:33 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

Could someone e-mail me the latest actor, actress, and director list?

Thanks


Dascoser
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Re: Theater Posters...!
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:25:05 GMT

"Singles" and "A Few Good Men" also!

e-mail for list

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From: mgrimes@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Grimes)
Subject: Critics Awards (so far)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:14:44 GMT


In my earlier post on this topic I made two errors: one minor, one major.
The Eastwood film is UNFORGIVEN, not THE UNFORGIVEN.

And pardon my typo, I meant to say National Board of Review award for Best 
Supp. Actor went to Jack Nicholson for A FEW GOOD MEN!!

Thanks to all who took time to e-mail me about these oversights.  No need to 
e-mail me further.
From: hist1261@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Emma Thompson a shoe-in for Best Actress??
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:59:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <wood.724945821@jfred>, wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood) writes:
> rod@cats.ucsc.edu (Rodrick Su) writes:
> 
> 
>>	Now that LA and NY film critic circles and National Film board 
>>	has come up with their selection of the best.  Emma Thompson was
>>	one item of agreement for all three as best actress.  One ponders
>>	the meaning...
> 
> She was unbelievably excellent in the film.
> 
> Does anyone know of any other possible Best Actress nominees this year?
> The only ones besides Thompson who come to mind are Shirley MacLaine in
> "Used People" (which is only just out) and Michelle Pfeiffer in "Love
> Fields" (not yet out).  Both actresses got very good reviews for these.
> 
> --
> Jim Wood [jwood@siemens.siemens.com] (609) 734-3643
> "Rise up on the wings of eagles, and two step among the stars.
>  You are not forgotten.  Your smile will echo forever."
>    -- Ryerson Schwark, to our friend Rob Bernardo.

I can't believe that everyone seems to have forgotten Rebecca De Mornay in
"The Hand that Rocks the Cradle".  At last year's Oscars there was a lot of
talk about how amazing it was that "Silence of the Lambs" could have been
honoured so long after it was released; it is a shame that such memory skills
are not apparent this year.  As good as Thompson was, I think De Mornay gave
THE performance of 1992.  Of course she is disadvantaged not only by the 
time factor but because "Hand" was "only" a thriller, and one that fell a 
little flat toward the end.  But hell, if it was good enough for Kathy Bates -
and "Hand" was certainly a better film than "Misery" - why can't it be good
enough for De Mornay.  Politics I suppose...

Richard.
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Accents (Was: Re: Most Overrated Actor/Actress)
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:29:40 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Dec22.160358.6106@nosc.mil> barrus@cod.nosc.mil  
writes:
> 
> In article <Bzn98t.BAn@unix.amherst.edu>  writes:
> >In article <1992Dec21.080055.7355@syma.sussex.ac.uk>  
nealet@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Neale Type) writes:
> >
> >Accents, accents, accents.  Don't you people ever pay any  
attention to
> >anything else?
> >
> >Someone else please raise your hand if you couldn't care less  
whether
> >someone has adopted the correct fake accent for a particular role.
> 
> Generally, I think accents are irrelevent in playing a role.  It is  
your 
> interpretation of the character that is important not the accent.   
If you 
> are having trouble with an accent then spending too much of your  
energy on 
> trying to get it right can take away from the rest of your  
performance.
> 
>
I don't care if someone doesn't get quite the right accent, as
long as it sounds reasonable.  It didn't bother me that Robert
Shaw's Yankee accent in Jaws wasn't quite right: it sounded good.
However, accents can be a problem if the DON'T sound right. Costner's
horrible accent in Robin Hood is a case in point. It just sounded
dumb, and distracted the viewer of the film.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: ballerup@diku.dk (Per Goetterup)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Sick and tired of cries of sexism (was Re: 9 1/2 Weeks)
Date: 30 Dec 92 11:57:24 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:

>bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:

>> No offense to gilbert, or even to tara lou, but I'm real tired
>> of hearing this crap about sexist ads when in fact the 
>> objectification of men is just as prevalent as the objectification 
>> of women.

>That isn't the point, not that it isn't a good point to make.

>The point being made is that the advertisers expect their viewers to be 
>men, and they speak to men as consumers, and ignore women as audience.

You might be forgetting some types of products clearly targetted at women as
absolute primary consumer, like 'super/ultra' efficient washing powder and
dishwashing fluids that spares the hands... (for the housewife) or shampoo/
perfume commercials featuring unshaved/sweaty men - or the exact opposite -
the yuppie (sharp dressed) man in suit and tie in the fancy sports car...

There's just as many commercials targetted at women as there are at men.

The point is that in many areas, men and women are very different as consumers,
and it's very difficult always to target a commercial at both at the same time,
which is why they select one of the sexes, thus almost unavoidably making the
commercial borderline sexist, or at least playing on traditional stereotypes.

We _are_ different and we just have to live with the fact that the advertising
companies knows that - and uses it.

But wouldn't life be boring if we were all alike...?

    Happy new year!

	  Per.

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