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> I have had friends who have had the surgery done and though it 
> takes 12-18 months of rehab, it seems to be very effective.

The rehab time varies. It probably depends on how hard you work at it.
My neighbour in his mid 40's had surgery about 6 months ago.
He doesn't wear his brace anymore and told me that he feels his injured
knee feels stronger than it was before his accident.

Another way of tearing a ligament: He tore his when a skier
on the chair ahead of his (detachable quad) didn't get out of the way.
He basically hit that skier from behind. Said skier then fell backward on
him...

bruno.
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From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David Simmons)
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:01:15 GMT


In article <2A9BB0E7.1007@deneva.sdd.trw.com>, shla@spf.trw.com (Sheila Wallace) writes:
|> [much back-and-forth deleted]
|> >
|> >Stay in Park City!  It takes more than 45' when you consider the
|> >horrible traffic in & out of Park City and the problems of climbing
|> >Little Cottonwood behind a line of cars stuck behind the UTA bus!!
|> 
|> [rest of stupid flame (IMHO) deleted]
|> 
|> Give me a break!  All I was saying was that you _could_ conceivably
|> have the best of both worlds.  There's no need to rule out going
|> to Alta, especially if the snow is much better there, or if you
|> really have your heart set on going there.  The original
|> poster sounded like he had completely ruled out Alta and had
|> decided to 'settle' for Park City, and I thought that wasn't 
|> necessary.  Your flames are really out of line here.
|> 
|> >damn californicators
|> >
|> damn ootahns!  I suspect that you secretly covet skiing Alta and
|> are just trying to shorten the lift lines for yourself....
|> 
Been here long?  If you had, you would recognize this as a *typical*
post replying to someone wanting to go to Alta (those ootahns, they
may not have booze, but they sure get bent anyway ;-))

Now, go ski Vail!

damn californicators (*especially* the ones that move to Santa Fe!)
-- 

David G. Simmons
davids@lanl.gov

If I said it, LANL didn't... 

-- 

David G. Simmons
davids@lanl.gov

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From: rickk@netmbx.netmbx.de (Rick Kuhlbars)
Subject: Mail Ordering Snowboard/Ski equipment and clothing ...
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:11:46 GMT

Hi,

Any reputable mail order businesses specializing snowboard/ski equipment
and clothing?
just getting ready for 'da new season!

How many of us snowboarders are reading this ski group anyway?
Just curious.

any info appreciated!

rick
----
rickk@netmbx.netmbx.de 
rick@netcs.com
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From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Subject: Re: The Great Killington-Keystone Shootout
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:55:12 GMT

In article <640@dwp.la.ca.us> carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.035501.27942@news.unomaha.edu> rrygg@cwis.unomaha.edu (john david rygg) writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>	I think you are ritht keystone does win at least for me
>>I am thinking of skiing in keystone jan '93 this year ,but I am just a poor
>>ski bum (collage student) could you post some info on saving some $$$ at
>>keystone and some good places to stay
>
>
>Yep, Keystone opens first almost every year.  The secret is out.  The
>other secret is that it is also the best skiing in CO too.  Every Ski
>The Summit season pass holder knows that Go Devil is the most radical
>run in CO.  And that Packsaddle Bowl - talk about a vast wide open
>expanse - reminds me of Europe!  But the real icing on the cake is the
>Village, apres ski takes on a whole new meaning - it takes hours to
>see it all.  And everybody knows how fun it is to party with a bunch
>of drunk Texas ranchers still in ski boots three hours after the last
>lift.  There are a few drawbacks though.  Don't try the Outback, you
>could get lost back there and some of the slopes they don't even groom -
>can you believe that?  Don't even think of going back there in a storm,
>its just a complete whiteout with all the snow.  Leave it for the fools.
>
>
 Some of us CO.fools love the outback!!! The whiteouts are EXCITING!
The rest of Keystone Mountain is forgettable.

--dennisp@kpc.com
>
>-- 
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Carlson Peters			L.A. Dept. of Water & Power
>carlson@manta.dwp.la.ca.us	111 N. Hope St., Room 1129
>213.481.7898			L.A. CA 90012


Organization: Senior, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,cmu.misc.market
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:49:14 -0400 
From: "Christian A. Pegher" <cp1t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Skis and Boots

Hi all,

Due to financial difficulty, I have to sell my skiing outfit.  It is
only with great reluctance that I do this, as a really love the set,
but, CMU has upped all former efforts to make me destitute.  

Here's what I got:

Rossignol 4G Skis
  Purple
  203 cm
  original owner, bought in June, 1990
  ski style is 4 years old (replaced by the 7G this past year)
  GS Racing skis (great for steep, smooth slopes, not so good on the moguls)
  Great for the advanced skiier who likes speed and smooth, long turns
  VAS Plates (Vibration Adsorption System) cuts down on chatter at fast speeds
  Excellent at carving turns on ice
  Made one week trip to Lake Placid, one three day trip to Killington,
and about six trips to Seven Springs

Salomon 957 Composite bindings (attached to 4G's)
  Black with Pink and White Graphics
  bought with the skis
  top of the line - racing quality with performance
  fitted to size 355cm Salomon boots

Salomon SX91's
  Grey with dark Grey graphics
  original owner, bought in March, 1986
  my first, and only set of boots.
  355cm (about a size 11)
  Top of the line - one step below the racing boots (SX91 Equipe)
  Rear entry
  several adjustments for excellent fit, and flex adjustment - for
skiing "soft" or "hard".

If you buy the whole set, I'll throw in the following stuff for free:

Matching Salomon Ski and Boot bags
  one year old
Rossignol Ski Poles
  usable

Prices:               Original:    Asking:
Rossignol Skis          $425        $300
Salomon Bindings        $195        $100
Salomon Boots           $300        $100
Entire Set             $1025        $500
  (inc. bags and poles)

This is quite a deal on a set-up that can really get you noticed.  If
you're at all interested, please send e-mail back, or call me at
412-268-8431.  

Christian A. Pegher
Student of, but in no other way affiliated to:
Carnegie Mellon, INC.
From: bryan@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bryan Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Beginner/Black Diamond runs
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:09:10 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

Part of the fun of skiing is risk taking. I don't think I have ever been
endangered by a beginner while on a black diamond run. The type of beginner
who is likely to try one is also likely to have some common sense. I.e., 
trying it on a day when conditions are good, not much powder, not big bumps
and pick a run that they can see from a lift on the way up to scout it.

Where I see all the speed-demon-I-can-go-fast-I-just-can't-slow-down idiots
are on the greens and to some extent the blue's.

Bryan Olson
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From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: Begginer deals (was Re: Need Tahoe Suggestions)
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 18:09:52 GMT

In article <8b4x03QY76uZ00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> tom@uts.amdahl.com (Tom Goodwin) writes:
>Most areas have a "first-time" package that's fairly cheap (about the price 
>of a normal lift ticket), it's the following days that are more expensive.  

Two years ago, when I was last at Stowe, their beginner package was a
lesson, and a season pass for the beginner slopes for ~$40, ie. the cost 
of a ticket or one day ticket alone.

Pretty smooth marketing move if the goal is truly an attempt to get people
hooked on skiing.  I admire the gumption involved in gambling that the long
terms financial benefits will outweigh short term ones offered by other
schemes.  Then again they could make a killing if the new skiier eats at
the cafeteria a few times. :)  And of course as the thread on early
memories of skiing shows, people have a special fondness for their "first
resort."  They may not go back there, but they will talk lovingly of it to
others.  [As for my memories of my first time skiing, I don't have any, I 
was too young!  As for my first memories, they were "Holy sh*t!, I don't
remember learning how to do this, but it is some serious fun.]
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366
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From: sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff)
Subject: Re: Sunday River
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:39:40 GMT

|> I guess with Killington, those who like it love it, those who don't
|> hate it.  I have been to most of the major (and minor) areas in ME,
|> NH, and Vermont, and would not put Killington anywhere near the top
|> of my list.  My feeling is that the mountain is unwieldy, making it
|> difficult to get from one part to another without using a series of
|> lifts, or crosscuts, or crowded trails.  While there are a large number of
|> trails at every ability level, none of the trails stuck in my mind as
|> being extra special like doc dempsey's or bubble-cuffer or the front
|> four at stowe.  I never found much of a lift line at Killington, but
|> often the congestion aon the trails made up for it.  All in all, I just
|> found the mountain too "industrial".

Of course, we, K. regulars, usually keep quiet when we hear such nonsence.
There is always a way to hop  between any two parts of K. in less then 
15 minutes. Quite unlike Stow or Sugarbush, where a trip between 
mountain parts takes  a bus or car ride, since there are no interconnecting
trails or lifts.
There are many more interesting  trails in K. then beaten-to-death
Front 4 in Stowe.  Unlike Stowe's, trails in K. quite often  have snow
on them. This year, with new snowmaking in the Basin, check out reliable
skiing on Dipper, East Falls, Flume, Escapade, Royal Flush and Racers
Edge : for starters.

|> I look forward to trying Mad River Glen this year, from what I hear it
|> could be one of the last "corporate" mountains.

MRG gets mentioned a lot : well, this is all moot. It is unskiable
most of the time. Statistically, in 91-92 season, average Vt. area
would have operated 17 days  without snowmaking.

Matters of fiscal practicality dictate that those of us who ski every
weekend + some ski them at the same place (it is indeed a shame that there 
is no Vt.-wide ski pass) : $830/60 days (last years stats for myself and
other skihouse members)  brings you a $14/day ticket. If you trap yourself
for 60 days in one place, I can't imagine a better place in NE then K.
I don't think MRG even OPERATED 60 days last year !



Sergei

P.S. I dropped usual concerns about inviting more people to K. with
this posting : it can't get any more crowded. The solution ? $60 day
lift ticket, and - I'll make a concession - $1100-$1200 season pass.

Sergei
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From: huntj@gtephx.UUCP (Jeffrey Hunt 4082)
Subject: WANTED: Child's Skis
Keywords: kid skis wanted
Organization: gte
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:56:50 GMT

I'm looking for used skis for my little girl.  She's 5.
Skis: 110 cm.
Boots: 18.5 cm (child's size 12).
Bindings, too: DIN 2.5 max.


-- 
Jeffrey Hunt     (602) 581-4082                 |
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Subject: Re: SNOWBOARDING: Burton
From: karim@ecst.csuchico.edu (Karim B. Sanjabi)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:25:29 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

{stuff deleted, sorry...}
>
>I know what you are saying (about the new inserts) but you can still get
>"last years" plates from burton and there are now several other mfg's that
>use the same hole pattern.  I believe that you are not alone in your 
>frustration with Jake and the boys at Burton but I say vote with your
>dollar and buy something else.  With 200+ boards this year you should be
>able to find one to your liking.  I currently ride an Asym Air with Plates
>and Raicle (sp) Snowboarders and I am happy but this WILL be my last Burton
>as I think their "new" boards are just another attempt to lock people into
>their stuff.  The only thing I would make sure any board that I bought had
>was inserts.  Boards without inserts are always popping bindings and needing
>repairs (according to my local board shop).  Just My opinion...
>
>-Adman
>
I rode a Nitro EFT 156 for 2 years.  It had no inserts.  I had no problem with
the bindings pulling out.  Funny thing is, I was worried about the core
that Nitro used on that board.  They used a ceramic core.  Since then they 
have changed to a wood core.
  'popping bindings'?  I have never in my three years of riding plate bindings
popped a plate binding.  I have been using Burton plates, but may check out
the Nitro Diablo bindings this year.

   KARIM


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: steves@cserver.plexus.com (Steve Spelbring)
Subject: XC: Kastle RXC Skating vs. Fischer RCS
Organization: Plexus Corp. -- Neenah Wisconsin
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:55:38 GMT


I am looking for validation of some information concerning
some cross-country skis.  I have been told that Kastle RXC
Skating skis and Fischer RSC Skating skis are manufactured
by the same company using the same construction and materials.
It is just a matter of whose graphics gets put on the top.
Is this fact or just a nasty rumor by the shop owner that
wants me to buy Kastle?

With that question aside, 
how are your experiences with these two skis?

Please include your ski length preference and type of
snow/trail conditions that you are basising your judgements on.

I will post a summary if there is enough interest.

Thanks in advance!



                Steven S. Spelbring
      VOICE:    (414) 751-3274
   INTERNET:    steves@cserver.plexus.com
       UUCP:    spool!cserver!steves
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       UUCP:    spool!cserver!steves
From: carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Need Tahoe Suggestions
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:22:53 GMT
Organization: Los Angeles Dept. of Water & Power

In article <1992Sep1.112058.3163@admin1.memst.edu> sbrackstone@admin1.memst.edu writes:
>I will be taking my wife and 9 yr old to Tahoe this December for a 
>vacation, and I need some help.
>
>We are all beginner skiers and need suggestions regarding the best place
>to get private lessons and after the lessons, what areas to ski.

Well first off, don't fall prey to the bigger is better syndrome.  I'm
sure Heavenly, Squaw and Alpine have great beginner programs but you
will pay big time prices and rub shoulders with all those
unsympathetic advanced skiers too (no advanced shoulder rubbing at
Heavenly though).  There are plenty of smaller places were you will
probably be much more welcome and much better cared for.  Since I didn't
learn to ski in Tahoe I won't reccomend any specific places though.  Netters,
any suggestions?




-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Carlson Peters			L.A. Dept. of Water & Power
carlson@manta.dwp.la.ca.us	111 N. Hope St., Room 1129
213.481.7898			L.A. CA 90012
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Knees/ACL injuries
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:43:28 GMT

>In rec.skiing, judith@super.org (Judith D. Schlesinger) writes:

>> I've never heard of anyone truly succeeding with the therapy/brace 
>> approach.

The people I know who have been disappointed with non-surgical rehab
for torn ACL injuries haven't maintained a regular regimen of leg
strengthening (is that how that's spelled?).  That is, assuming they
haven't suffered some re-injury.  A UofUtah athletic dept. sports
trainer who did an artherometer test on my knee had been without an
ACL (& PCL, I think) for 15 years & is satisfied such that he hasn't
elected surgery.  Another friend has been without an ACL for 12 years
but has dislocated his knee several times while hiking on rough ground
sans brace.  He doesn't weightlift at all.  Yet another friend had the
surgery 4 yrs. after his injury -- he hadn't maintained his knee
strength & had dislocated his knee "several times impulsively playing
ball or frisbee at family reunions without his kneebrace".

My own experience is that if I miss weighlifting for a couple of
weeks, my knee starts to feel a little less stable.  Otherwise, it is
tight & I've even hyperextended it once slipping on ice with no
problem (I don't want to do it again, however).

To most people, I suggest having reconstructive surgery for ACL tears.
However, I don't run, play tennis or golf, or other sports requiring
twisting & knee extension.  I use my kneebrace for skiing & hiking,
& I cycle & swim & walk without the brace.  I may still have surgery
should I decide I want to do the other sports.
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer | bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com                        |_______| <>
<>      lift-holic |  (this *often* works)        _O_    |___O___| | |_O_| | <>
<> Salt Lake City, | speaking only for myself, |_|_|_|_| | `'|`' |     |     <>
<>          Ootah  | one of my many tricks     |  / \  |    / \       / \    <>
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Subject: Re: The Great Killington-Keystone Shootout
From: carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898)
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:52:43 GMT
Organization: Los Angeles Dept. of Water & Power

In article <1992Aug29.035501.27942@news.unomaha.edu> rrygg@cwis.unomaha.edu (john david rygg) writes:
>
>
>
>	I think you are ritht keystone does win at least for me
>I am thinking of skiing in keystone jan '93 this year ,but I am just a poor
>ski bum (collage student) could you post some info on saving some $$$ at
>keystone and some good places to stay


Yep, Keystone opens first almost every year.  The secret is out.  The
other secret is that it is also the best skiing in CO too.  Every Ski
The Summit season pass holder knows that Go Devil is the most radical
run in CO.  And that Packsaddle Bowl - talk about a vast wide open
expanse - reminds me of Europe!  But the real icing on the cake is the
Village, apres ski takes on a whole new meaning - it takes hours to
see it all.  And everybody knows how fun it is to party with a bunch
of drunk Texas ranchers still in ski boots three hours after the last
lift.  There are a few drawbacks though.  Don't try the Outback, you
could get lost back there and some of the slopes they don't even groom -
can you believe that?  Don't even think of going back there in a storm,
its just a complete whiteout with all the snow.  Leave it for the fools.



-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Carlson Peters			L.A. Dept. of Water & Power
carlson@manta.dwp.la.ca.us	111 N. Hope St., Room 1129
213.481.7898			L.A. CA 90012
From: TedKahn@cup.portal.com (Theodore E Kahn)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Beginner's silly questions (!)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 21:34:58 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

Get good boots, above all else!  In particular, you should try to
find a place that specializes in boot-fiting.  In Oakland, Calif
there is a place that I bought mine from, I paid retail plus $75,
and NO ONE pays retail.  Nonetheless, my feet don't hurt.  And
when I needed an ajustment, it was quick and free -- a year later.

Skis and bindings:  Get the best $$$ deal and DON'T listen to the
BS, there is a whole lot.  Have fun!

	-Ted
From: jym@cruz.denver.sgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:48:46 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <639@dwp.la.ca.us>, carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898) writes:
|> 
|> I second the above opinion.  In fact I complained about it a few weeks
|> ago.  The fact is, everybody is so in on this joke that every post
|> like it is further testament to how great skiing is at 'the worst
|> place on earth so don't even bother'.  If you don't want people to go
|> to your favorite ski area, a resounding silence will be much more
|> effective than in-crowd poo-poo's.  
And if you don't want people with no sense of humor in your state,
pass a law that prevents Californians from entering.  I left Santa Cruz
a year ago.  Have things really gotten that much worse that y'all complain
about humor.  I thought the posts about Utah, and Californicators was
pretty funny, but then i'm not stuck in the pit anymoe.  Just because life
in California sucks, don't take it out on the rest of us.  Just continue
gunning down people on the freeway.  That way, ther'll be less of ya
that will potentially move to Colorado or Utah.
|> When Bob 'the Bear?' started it
|> last year it was quite funny to see people come to Alta's "rescue".  Now
|> only the newest of readers are fooled and probably think this is such
|> a weenie group that they quit reading before they get it. 
|> 
|> Oh by the way, I flew over CO yesterday and the new snow above timberline
|> really was nice to see.
Please keep it that way.  Just fly over, don't stop, unitl you get your sense 
of humor back.

jim t
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Keywords: boredom, random, bad food, california
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 17:31:00 GMT

In article <2347@unet.UUCP> lbf@waffle.unet.com (Lisa B. Farr) writes:
>>Bland?? Utah not known for (good) cuisine?? There are some excellent local
>>dishes. Just pick up some of the Mormon Cookbooks. You would not believe
>>what can be done with Jello(tm). There's something about a good Jello/Cool
>>Whip/Marshmallow/m&m salad. Or how about deep fried Hostess Twinkies rolled
>>in confectioners sugar. Where else can you get that? Great for those midwinter
>>family home evenings.
>
>You forget Spam(tm) and Velveeta(tm) sandwiches on Wonder Bread(tm) with
>Miracle Whip(tm).

Hey, I like Sssppam.  [I also like Monty Python, too.]

Tell us more about Family Home Evenings.  Don't you think skiing visitors
should be allowed to attend?  It would give us something to do in the
evenings as opposed to more "sinful" pursuits.  More discussions about
Apres Ski ala reading the Book of Mormon or perhaps listening to The Choir.
								 ---
>Never ski California.  Ever.  You'll hate it.

One line, done tastefully.  Short, sweet.
But as we have seen, you need to be more encouraging.  There exist people
who do not like listening to the "nay-bobs of negativism."

Promote Vail.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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