HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: vijay@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Vijay Rangarajan)
Subject: Re: Netiquette
Originator: vijay@picard.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:54:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.170500.10158@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.133529.20569@ncsa.uiuc.edu> vijay@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Vijay Rangarajan) writes:
>
>I don't think that anyone is in a position to tell me or anyone else what
>is or isn't appropriate. While I extend the courtesy of keeping e-mail
>messages private to most persons it is *not* a privilege they can take
>for granted. Sorry but there it is.
>
>George
>

Exactly! My note was drawn parallel to the note that I responded to, which
had "suggestions" asking people not to post stuff that was "inappropriate."
My note was to scoff at that point exactly. Probably too sarcastic to be 
be lost in it.
Oh George, you make it so easy :-)

Vijay.

P.S. I would've emailed this to you but since you were going to post it 
anyway, I though I'd save the ethernet some collisions :-)

-- 

Vanitas vanitatum et omnia vanitas!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana)
Subject: Prof. ChandraSekharan's Writings...
Organization: ORA Corporation
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:14:48 GMT

I have read with some interest prof. chandrasekharan's 
recent post about the excerpts from Arun Gupta.
We look at some disturbing aspects of prof. chandrasekharan's 
open-mind(!).

Prof. chandrasekharan argues that it is okay for some
muslim leaders to impune without substantial evidence
hindu communal organizations. Actaully it doesn't
matter whether they are communal or secular, whether
it is hindus or muslims or christians or liberals. Why
should they do it? If the problem is one of protecting
oneself against communal violence, why should there
be any unsubstantiated statements about anybody.
Well! prof. chandrasekharan implies that perhaps!
the mass politics require some dose of progaganda,
or what we call as disinformation. That means one should
lie in order to be a political animal. Being a liberal
himself and having an open-mind, prof. chandrasekharan
concedes (a better word is rather implies) that selective 
falsehood is an important instrument in politics. In liberal 
politics, that is a potent instrument, for it is done with a panache 
and an intellectual subtlety, or what prof. chandrasekharan
calls as scholarly wisdom, that from the surface it appears
as well-intentioned.

To have an open-mind, in prof. chandrasekharan's vocabulary
is to tolerate falsehood. More importantly, to accentuate
it for sectarian goals (or what I call as vote-bank theology).

If liberal tradition is founded on such falsehoods, my god! I am
glad that I am not a liberal. Actually, liberal tradition,
that I know of, is not founded on such halftruths and untruths. 
I have seen many a fine liberal on british tv, who are truthful,
honest and well-meaning individuals.

Prof. chandrasekharan provides a master spin by deflecting
the intentions away from what the excerpt says. (I am only
talking about Aligarh guy). When the magic of the excerpt
failed, prof. chandrasekharan spun it by saying, oh! we can
atleast learn what muslim leaders are talking about their
own community. Of course, it always a pleasure to know
how self critical is one community of itself. It doesn't
matter whether they are muslims, or hindus, or christians,
or the AndharGarus, or the Bengalis. There is only a community
in it, a mass of people.

I am glad that I don't have an open mind, for I believe in the
truth. If in the promulgation of that truth, it is immaterial
where you procure your money from, whether saudiarabia, khalistan,
or even satan! For truth should prevail and shall prevail!
..kt 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Forgeries of Hindu Texts
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:20:58 GMT
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Raghavan Jayaraman wonders why I posted the article to
s.c.bangla and pakistan. This is because there has been
discussion recently (on both bboards) about the Hindu
scriptures predicting the advent of the Prophet Muhammad,
in the so-called Allah Upanishad, Bhavishya Purana, etc.
Needless to say, these books are items of recent manufacture.

Secondly, the author of the Encyclopedia is no ignoramus --
though he may have ideological bias.
-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
From: bajajk@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: LOOKING FOR MISSING FRIENDS..PLS. HELP...
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:53:31 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia


   I am looking for three very close friends of mine. please reply 

   if you know them......

      There names and last attended universities are----
 
      

       K. BALAJI OR PETER---- UNI OF WISCONSIN OR 
                              WISCONSIN STATE UNI..

       RAMAN DOGRA----------- MISSISSIPPI STATE UNI...

       K. SRINIVAS----------- MASSACHUSSETS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY..


       All three of them are doing Masters in Food Technology....


       Thanks in advance ....etc...etc.......
From: rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Amnesty Intl. Rept.: police torture
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:50:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


> What I find particularly interesting, is the deafening silence which
> always follows these factual postings. The vocal flamers of AI, studiously
> ignore these posts, and then it's time for the  next round of AI bashing a
> few months later.
> 
> Evidently, facts are an undesirable hindrance...


Or, the undesirable hinderance is a fact.


---raj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma)
Subject: Re: On the existence of Paramatma
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:38:28 GMT


>  >    If one can free himself from the worldly thoughts, he has no worries,no
>  >    greed, no enmity and attains absolute peace. That is called renunciation.
>  >    Absolute happiness. Oneness with the Paramatma -God.

>  >	   The bottomline is that the worldly possessions are unreal. If they are
>  >    real, they should be real at all times. When a man sleeps, he has no
>  >    conciousness about any of his possessions, his relatives,his enemies or
>  >    whatever. He is in a state of happiness. The moment he wakes up, the moment
>  >    he attaches himself into the world, he is unhappy. He has worries,anxieties,
>  >    tax forms, all kinds of things. The world is real to him. Yet,he is unhappy.
> 
>    
>     Hmmm, You advocate unconciousness and detachment from reality.
>     I knew a few people like that -- they smoked pot. Believe me,
>     they had very few worldly possessions and were in a constant state
>     of euphoria. 


	Suppose, for the sake of argument, that some one becomes euphoric
	by using "whatsever." What is that to others, if the person is
	not going about harming any one.
	
	All want to be happy.
	
	Some are running after money, sex, alcohol, drugs, love,
	charity, religion, enlightenment, etc, to become happy.
	
	Why should we sit in judgement of others [especially when
	we are also running after the same thing - only the mode differs].
	
	
	
---raj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: udumudi@maxine.wpi.edu (u v babu srinivas)
Subject: Re: Vedic Math
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 09:01:06 GMT

In his article <> vijay@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
=> 
=>     I had read a few pages of this book at IIT(B). The author of the 
=> book is one Mr. Shankaracharya. The book had some really fundoo methods
=> for divison, multiplication,root-extraction,etc. It also gave the 
=> original Sanskrit verses which described the method.

I read the book when I was in Intermediate II yr. It's a great book
and was just a part of the real vedic mathematics book (which the
book said was lost or something..). It had many short cut methods
for finding roots, multiplication, division, polynomial division, etc.

It describes many short cut methods for transforming ordinary 
mutiplications into special cases for which easier methods exist..

He quotes 16 small slokas (one line) on which the whole system 
is defined. Applying these slokas (methods, actually) one can do
any calculation easily and much faster (and in mind).

It had a notation for numbers in sanskrit syllables. At the end it 
quotes a verse in praise of krishna which translated into numbers
using the above system turns out to be the value of pi upto 32
digits after decimal point. It even describes how calculations can
be done on the syllables by associating meanings to them (our
ancestors were great obscurantists!)

-- srinivas

an example multiplication:       536
                               * 214
                             ----------
                  10    5+6     20+3+12      12+6     24
                  |      |        |            |       | 
                 5*2   5*1+3*2  5*4+3*1+6*2  3*4+6*1  6*4                 

adding up (each sum for one digit, carry over extra digit) we get: 114704
                        
It seems much tougher, but the idea is that one can directly calculate
the value of 535*234 or whatever without touching a pen or notebook. and
we can go anyway, left to right or right to left. With practice it would 
be much much easier than the one we generally do.

The author (sankaracharya (some saraswati?)) says that this should be
put to practice in schools instead of the one that's usually followed.

another example is: to calculate values of fractions such as 1/19
etc. We can use the sloka (ekOnnati pUrvAha, if i remember correctly) 
here to get the values:

1/19: doing it backwards, start with 5 (i don't remeber why), double 
present number, put the last digit of the result, carry on rest..
continue until the seq repeats:

             .05263157894736842105

He extends this to do general division... some freaky methods!
From: dwaraka@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (B.K. Dwarakanath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re : Gulf air travel experience
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:58:25 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

From ns-mx!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!uoft02.utoledo.edu!grx1533 Tue Apr 14 13:16:54 CDT 1992
Article: 62002 of soc.culture.indian
From: grx1533@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Travel by Gulf Air?
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:13:36 GMT
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Apr11.182107.1003@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, hrp@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
> I would greatly appreciate if any of the netters can post their experiences
> with Gulf Air to India. I will try to post a summary on the net. Thanks.
> 
> P
PLEASE POST THE INFORMATION RECEIVED SINCE THERE ARE MANY OTHERS INCLUDING ME
THAT MAY BE INTERESTED .      
THANX.
PANKAJ (UOFTOLEDO)

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I happenned to go to India in the feb / mar 1992 , and I needed ticket  at a 
very short notice of one day. I could manage to get tickets only thru' two
airways...Alitalia and Gulf air. Alitalia needed transit visa even to land at Rome  and I did not have time for that extra effort at Chicago, I hence had to
go in Gulf air itself, although I had heard a lot of -ve remarks about it.
Well, on the contrary my experience with Gulf was very nice. All flights were
on schedule and all tickets were confirmed and I had no problems at all.

I had my ticketing done at 'Jaya travels', Detroit. Onward reseravations upto
Bombay were completely confirmed. Return tickets too were confirmed, but the
travel agent strongly suggested that I should get it reconfirmed atleast
4 days before the journey date ( make sure u do it too!). Food and travel care
too are quite good. Only problem is that from Bahrain, u find labour class 
people too getting into the flight. You might have to put up with that.
Have a nice time !
 Dwaraka
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: srikanth@vulcan.UVic.CA (Srikanth  Subramanian)
Subject: e-mail address of National Institute of immunology needed ..
Originator: srikanth@vulcan
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 17:45:34 GMT

	 I would like to have the e-mail address of the National Institute 
of immunology, New Delhi if there is a node out there.  In case any of u
have been in touch with somebody there could u please pass on the address of 
ur contact.  I would like to find the e-mail address of a friend out there.

thanks,

Srikanth

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From: smn@cm.cf.ac.uk (smn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: More on s.c.tamil
Date: 17 Apr 92 07:51:49 GMT
Organization: Mathurai Thamizh Chankam
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <1992Apr15.165304.16591@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> raja@cps.msu.edu writes:
Regarding Creation of Soc.Culture.Tamil 
|
|
|So think about it.  Is it "love for
|Tamil" or "dislike of someone else"
|that's driving your bus?  If the latter --
|is it good for you as a person?  Or will
|it benefit Tamil culture? 
|
|
|Narayan Sriranga Raja.
|

Whatever it may be, but what makes Raja worry too much about it...?
And ....
How could creation of a news group affect another one...
after all it is a NewsGroup...
not even a call for separation of 
Thamizh Naadu or Thamizh Eezham
Raajaah, you don't orry Raajaah!

+++ 
S.L.Ankan

(PS I pay for your Graphic Signatures too)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ndg0487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mr Controversial )
Subject: Re: Lets start a controversial topic
Keywords: National language of india
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 06:46:08 GMT

J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal) writes:

>Mr Controversial writes-


>:Hi Everybody,
>:
>:	I am a new reader.  I have got bored by reading so many articles on
>:	arranged and love marraige. Let's start some new topic.
>:	My suggestion would be
>:
>:	"How it would be if we accept hindi as the national language of India"


>"How would it be Mr Controversial, if we not only accept hindi as our national
>language but also circumcise all Indian males and force them to go to church 
>every sunday"
i	THEN YOU HAVE TO GO TO MOSQUE

	I didn't mean that hindi should be forced but something should be
	done so that most of the peoples in India accepts hindi as the national language. For example some special benefits can be given to non-hindi
	speaking people trying to learn hindi and that sorts of things.Something should be done. It is a matter of shame that we don't have a national language.

>"Have you come here to play Jesus 
> to the lepers in your head"
>                           U2

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From: DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu (Deepak Srivastava)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Piddlers on the Roof
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:13:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92105.161336DXS23
 <sco7rINNa8f@festus.ksu.ksu.edu>
Distribution: world
Organization: Penn State University

Is it not strange that these so called initiator and propagators of
the "piddlers of the roof" did not utter a single word when the
muslim intellengetia were quoted for the educational achiev-
ments of muslims in the state of tamilnadu (ref: Arun's first
posting on this thread). Whereas when the same set of intellengetia
is analysing the not so pretty pictures of muslims in mostly north
indian context they are attacked for their credibility and the
question is raised afterall why such postings should occur in the
first place ?

And then we have the height of hypocracy when the originator of the
piddlers on the roof claims to be blind to the color of religion.

Deepak
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From: darshan@cs.utexas.edu (Priyadarsan Patra)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.activism
Subject: A Conference of Indian Activists:  an announcement
Followup-To: poster
Date: 17 Apr 1992 12:20:28 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: India, activist, conference

Following is an announcement by IPAG, a non-profit, secular,
and nonsectarian organization dedicated to the goal of
poeple-oriented development in India and of generating
constructive, informed dialogues about issues concerning (Asian) Indians.
  (IPAG is based at the Univ of Texas, Austin campus.)

***********************************************************************


       INDIA PROGRESSIVE ACTION GROUP (IPAG) of AUSTIN,TX

                    AND

       INDIA DEVELOPMENT SERVICE (IDS) of CHICAGO,IL
          
                    present


       A NATIONAL CONFERENCE OF INDIAN ACTIVISTS


       KEYNOTE SPEAKER:    VANDANA SHIVA
                           (noted ecologist and social activist)
                               or
                           MADHU KISHWAR
			   (noted feminist and social activist)

       DATES:   MAY 23-24, 1992
                SATURDAY, 9 am to 5 pm
                SUNDAY,   9 am to 1 pm

       VENUE:   INLAND CENTER
                400 E. OGDEN AVENUE,
                WESTMONT, IL    ( a western suburb of Chicago)


       REGISTRATION DEADLINE:  APRIL 20, 1992


       For further information, please call:

       Ashref Hashim     312-419-0400
       Jagjit Jain       708-524-2041
       Mary Krisco       708-524-1582
       Ramesh Subramani  312-664-5924


***********************************************************************

The above conference has the objective of bringing together individuals
and groups with a common interest to know, interface and exchange
information with, each other and to possibly participate in some common
projects and perhaps formulate some common strategy towards progress
and development for Indians.

The conference is being organized in the form of eight (8) workshops,
conducted over a span of two days.  The workshops are on:

    1.  Human Rights
    2.  Literacy
    3.  Environment
    4.  The Indian Immigrant
    5.  Women's Rights
    6.  Communal Harmony
    7.  Development and the Economy
    8.  Gender Identity
    (and possibly a poster session on AIDS in India)

Individuals can prefer only to attend the workshops, or, if interested,
can participate actively, by making presentations.


FEES:  The registration fee is $15 for IDS members, and $20 for others.
    
       SPECIAL STUDENT RATE of $5 with advance registration, $10 at the door.

       $7 additional for the dinner/picnic on the evening of Saturday, May 23.

       The registration fee includes lunch on Saturday, and tea/coffee
       on both Saturday and Sunday.  Plus all the workshops.


NOTE:  If you need to be put up in Chicago area during the conference, please
       call the above named IDS members for help.

For more information, you may also contact Darshan Patra or Ravi Jain of IPAG
at darshan@cs.utexas.edu or rjain@cs.utexas.edu .
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: More on TN chief
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:56:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.odsISDG00Vp6AEqIUX
	<1992Apr6.200548.7039@engage.pko.dec.com>
Organization: Junior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Opposition that doesn't have 'gray' ties attched to from outside is
allowed. 
Oppostion that fights and helps the SL government in it war against the
Tigers isn't allowed.
People who sit and dally-ho while Jaffna PeninsulaTamils pass the days
with no electricity, meager food and other essential goods available are
not
welcome. They say they represent Tamils! Do you know about the economic
strangle hold  the peninsula is under ? 1.5 yrs and going.....babies
dying of malnutrion. and 'barrel' bombs visit daily from air.  And of
course the unmarked jeeps picking
up 'suspects' in theEast. They never come back. 


It's a war.....TM chief has decided to throw her lot with the enemy camp.

-Suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: thssrkr@iitmax.iit.edu (Raghunath K Rao)
Subject: Re: A joke about mathematicians ( with due respects to them)
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:59:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.043243.17304@colorado.edu> parrikar@csn.org (Rajan Parrikar) writes:
>Here's another one:
>
>Once upon a time an astronomer, a physicist, and a mathematician set
<deleted>

Yet another one. Don't remember the source.

A mathematician and an engineer sit in a log cabin in midst of a 
dense forest, isolated from civilization. They have water in a 
bucket, a pan, a stove, some matches, and some eggs. 

Scenario 1: OBJECTIVE: Make boiled eggs. All apparatus are in their 
	    respective storage places.
Engineer  : Fill pan with water from bucket. Put eggs in pan of water.
	    Light stove. Place pan on stove. Wait for water to boil
	    for desired time and remove pan. Switch off stove.
Math'cian : SAME AS ABOVE.


Scenario 2: OBJECTIVE: Make boiled eggs. Water already in pan.
Engineer  : Put eggs in pan of water.  Light stove. Place pan on stove.
   	    Wait for water to boil for desired time and remove pan. 
            Switch off stove.
Math'cian : Throw out water from pan. Problem reduced to Scenario 1.
	    Apply corresponding solution!


Scenario 3: OBJECTIVE: Make boiled eggs. Water and eggs already in pan.
	    Pan is already on stove. Stove is lit.
Engineer  : DO NOTHING. Wait for eggs to be done and remove pan.
            Switch off stove.
Math'cian : Remove pan from stove, switch off stove, throw out eggs
	    from pan. Problem reduced to Scenario 2.
	    Apply corresponding solution!

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From: doshi@earth.njit.edu (M Doshi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: LIST OF COMPUTER COMPANIES IN INDIA
Summary: Expires:
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:32:44 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology


If some body could mail me the list of companies in India
hiring MS students in the field of computer science, I will
really appreciate. 
Thanx to all of u in advance
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