HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kattke@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (g.w.kattke)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: RETINA a German name?
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:42:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsc.1992Apr16.014247.25738
Organization: AT&T

I have been searching for the origins of my grandfather,
Julius Kottke (yes, the name is different, that's another
story) for several years. His obituary says he was born
in West Prussia; his marriage record (from Iowa) tells
the town where he was born but it is unreadable. But it
also list his parent's names.

His mother (or so it says) was Eva RETINA. Hmmm. I have
never heard of Retina as a name, in Germany or any other
country. Could this be what the county clerk in Iowa heard,
as opposed to what the name actually was? And if so, any
guesses as to what the actual name may have been? Or could
it be a Polish name?

Any help will be appreciated.

Jerry Kattke
kattke@ihlpl.att.com
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Laws of Genealogy
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:45:16 GMT
Reply-To: lincoln@iris.UUCP (Tom Lincoln)
Organization: The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, CA

Cost of Xerox copies:

At UCLA the cost is $0.075 per page on a debit card. Well priced and
very handy. At the LDS library here they are $0.10 per page, also a
very good bargain. Both are instant direct use.

SOme archives charge $3.00 for any number of pages up to 30.
Some fold in their other service costs at $0.50 per page plus a
contribution.

I have called several small colleges that have just Xeroxed and sent
material out, delighted to do it.

My law.... You never know...

Tom
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:53:14 EDT
From:         Gary Steiner <STEINER@MUPPET.DNET.GE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Genealogy software with sound and photos?
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Here is a list of genealogy software for the Mac.  Most of these companies will
send you free literature if you call the number shown.  There are other
programs out there, these are just ones that I have some information on.  I use
Personal Ancestral file.  I feel that, for the price you pay, it's the best
value.  Some of this data is old, so prices may have changed (there's a
recession, ya know 8)).  --Gary      STEINER@Muppet.dnet.ge.com

Program                    Company                 Phone            Price
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
MacRoots (shareware)       Itaska Softworks        ------------     $45
  can be reached at 72050.320@CompuServe.COM

Personal Ancestral File    LDS Church              800-537-5951     $35

Family Roots               Quinsept                800-637-7668     $180

Family Heritage File       Star*Com Microsystems   801-225-1480     $149

Reunion                    Leister Productions     717-697-1378     $95

MacGene                    Applied Ideas           213-545-2996     $145

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Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 10:03:08 EDT
From: Fred Ullom <TACON019@ysub.ysu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: First name Izola?

I was talking to my aunt recently and she said her first name was Izola.
She has always gone by her middle name Ruth. She has always been curious
about her first name and has never met anyone else with that name.

Has anybody run across Izola in your research? Does anybody know if it is
common to any ethnic group?

Her maiden name was Shea - definitely Irish:-)

Thanks,
-Fred
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Fred S. Ullom
tacon019@ysub.ysu.edu
Youngstown State University
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: jime@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: RETINA a German name?
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:56:26

In article <1992Apr16.014247.25738@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> kattke@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (g.w.kattke) writes:
>   I have been searching for the origins of my grandfather,
>   Julius Kottke (yes, the name is different, that's another
>   story) for several years. His obituary says he was born
>   in West Prussia; his marriage record (from Iowa) tells
>   the town where he was born but it is unreadable. But it
>   also list his parent's names.
>
>   His mother (or so it says) was Eva RETINA. Hmmm. I have
>   never heard of Retina as a name, in Germany or any other
>   country. Could this be what the county clerk in Iowa heard,
>   as opposed to what the name actually was? And if so, any
>   guesses as to what the actual name may have been? Or could
>   it be a Polish name?

I would guess that this is likely Eva Regina, both given names.  Her
maiden name would then be unknown from this document.  This guess is
in spite of the normal distinguishability of "t" and "g".  Eva Regina
was a popular name pair once upon a time in Germany.
--
=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:23:31 EDT
From:         Bob Guiles <OPRRJG@SUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Retina

Sounds like the this name is EYErish.
From:  (Douglas Toelle)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re:      Re: Genealogy software with sound and photos?
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:22:32 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska

> You probably won't find any genealogy software with sound.
> The way things work right now, digitizing sound on to a computer
> takes TREMENDOUS amounts of space.  I can't remember any
> specifics right now, but it is easy for a 30 sec sound clip to
> fill up probably close to  1 megabyte of disk space.  Personally,
> I wouldn't advise trying to do it.
> 
> 
> - Matt Adair    mladair@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu

Here at the University of Alaska, the library is attempting to digitize the
oral history collection. They are using Hypercard on the Mac and WORM disks
for storage. I haven't checked on the project lately but it showed promise.
But Matt is correct, sound takes a TREMENDOUS amount of space. The Mac will
allow some compression. I'm using a Mac database that I wrote with 4th
Dimension which will allow sound, photos and video, if I had the disk
space to do it.

------------------------------------------------------------------
Douglas Toelle                               sndat@orca.alaska.edu
University of Alaska                         sndat@alaska.bitnet
Fairbanks, Alaska                            907-474-5545
------------------------------------------------------------------
Looking for Toelle, Tolle, McClure, Gatton, Hansen, Wilson, Elston,
Ellston, Lundell, Leahy, Wien, O'Neill, Mizelle, Arthurs, Schroder,
How, Hoblit, Perry, Sharp, Delaney, Wheeler, Ogg, Hallgren, Kent...
From: davidson@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Geneaology as an academic subject
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:19:23 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


Is anyone aware of institutions that provide University-level Academic courses
in Geneaology?

I have seen an MA thesis (History) (_Geneaology in America_, I don't have the
author's name handy) from a small college in Vermont and the Archival studies
program (Master's degree level) at University of British Columbia allows for a 
subspecialization in "geneaology and oral history".

The MA thesis was basically a how-to type guide (a la Angus Baxter) and I have
not seen anything from the UBC program.

Are there any other programs like this? Any experiences to relate?

Jonathan Davidson

DAVIDSON@AC.DAL.CA
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: fcackows@gator.rn.com (Frank Cackowski)
Subject: Re: Genealogy software w/sound and music
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:28:59 GMT

I see little mention of HyperCard and its possibilities relating to
customized authoring.  Cards can have buttons, fields, photos (scanned of 
course), sound, and just about anything the author desires.

Sound clips need to be limited to 5-10 seconds unless you have tons of extra 
memory even if you compress to the limit.

Authoring can provide neat linking and the like.  

Perhaps some of our HyperCard netters could add to this post....maybe even 
share a stack or two for consideration.  

--
Frank Cackowski
The Gator
219-289-0777/317-251-7391
internet: fcackows@gator.rn.com
uucp: ..!uunet!trauma!fcackows
From: wolcott@.dpw.com (Michael Wolcott)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: wolcotts
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:28:53 GMT

I haven't done research in a while and I wish to start up again since it is
spring (ahhh!).  Sometimes I have seen people requesting that others on the
net look into their local phone directories and pick out certain surnames
that they are researching.  Well, I guess I am another one to make the same
request.  However, I wonder if this way is truly fruitful.  My family, the
Wolcotts, tends to be a rather impossible bunch.  If it is not stubborness,
then they tend to be rather uncooperative.   I cannot begin to tell you how
often I have written to Wolcotts and I never received a response.
Oh, well!  Let me try it again.  If you have any Wolcotts in your phone
directories, let me have the name, address, and phone number so I can
update my list.
Thanks very much for your help.

Take care!

Mike
wolcott@dpw.com
From: au138@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John S. Kennedy)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Kennedy
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:27:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr14.042731.7126
Reply-To: au138@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John S. Kennedy)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


The names of my lineal male ancestors going back to the first Kennedy from
this line to touch American soil, starting with myself and going backwards
-- John Stuart, William Warren, Stuart Blake, Edgar Lincoln, Thomas Bailey,
Joseph, and James.  James Kennedy, or so the story goes, came from Scotland
around 1796.  We're also related to the families Crocker and Rendle.  I
have some pretty massive files on the Kennedy, Crocker, and Rendle lines --
I did manage to track down one family of Rendles who were still living
where they were when my Aunt Jennie did research in the '50's.

James Kennedy originally settled in New Jersy, if memory serves.  If any of
these names ring a bell, or you would like more information, please do not
hesitate to call.

                    John
-- 
John S. Kennedy (513) 541-3078 |  It is better to be hated
axinar@tso.uc.edu              |  for what you are, than loved
au138@cleveland.freenet.edu    |  for what you are not.
72217.416@compuserve.com       |     -- Andre Gide
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From: jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Naturalization locations
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:13:46

In article <ROOTS-L%92041310214873@VM1.NODAK.EDU> Lorrie Knox <LKNOX@UKANVM.BITNET> writes:
>   I'm trying to decipher an abbreviation listed in the 1900 census.
>
>   Several ancestors are listed as immigrating from Switzerland in 1871 and
>   the "place of naturalization" is listed as "Na."  Does anyone know what
>   this stands for?

Na = naturalized
Pa = submitted papers for naturalization
--
=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:21:09 EST
From:         "S.K. Whiteman" <WHITEMAN@IPFWVM.BITNET>
Subject:      book trade

Hello

I have four copies of the Families of Eliza Walters and Benjamin
Franklin Johnson of Orange Co, Indiana by J.W. Johnson, 1977.
This book also includes references to Roberts, Richford, Jones,
Oldham, Lindsay, Stewart, Goodpaster, Johnson, Clements, and Gaar.
I am interested in trading for books of like kind, family histories.
First come first served. J.W. Johnson was my uncle on my mother's side.
This book should be in many libraries around the country.
Email to:
            Whiteman at IPFWVM.BITNET

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    L    |                         |          Fort Wayne, Indiana USA
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 09:39:23 EDT
From:         "J.P. Letellier" <jp@WIZARD.NRL.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: cemetary
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU, WS.LAX2@xerox.com

Probably uuencoded.  Have to strip off the head, and uudecode to find out
what they are - people usually put a title of the program at the head,
which seems to be missing.
jp
From: gentner@Apple.COM (Don Gentner)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: telnet Geographic Server
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:28:03 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <009588FA.84B147A0.16763@hg.uleth.ca> jonesl@HG.ULETH.CA (Linda, ext. 2433) writes:
>Help!  I am apparently not using the correct login command(s) when I telnet
>the Geographic Server.  Those of you who use it regularly could you give
>me some information?  Also, is the password Anonymous?  lkj.
>
I use martini.eecs.umich.edu.  The procedure is simple:
On a machine that has access to the internet type:
	telnet martini.eecs.umich.edu 3000
(no login necessary)
In response to the "." prompt, type the name of the town or whatever.
Type "quit" to quit.

Here is an abreviated transcript of a sesson.  "apple.com%" is the prompt on my
local machine.

apple.com% telnet martini.eecs.umich.edu 3000
Trying...
Connected to martini.eecs.umich.edu.
Escape character is '^]'.
# Geographic Name Server, Copyright 1989, 1990 Merit Inc.  All rights reserved.
# >>> NEW VERSION!!! <<< Use "help" or "?" for details.
.
langford
0 Langford
1 05069 Jefferson
2 AR Arkansas
3 US United States
A 501
F 45 Populated place
L 34 10 03 N  91 35 44 W
E 182

0 Langford
1 24029 Kent
2 MD Maryland
3 US United States
A 301
F 45 Populated place
L 39 11 18 N  76 08 28 W
E 68

0 Langford
1 36029 Erie
2 NY New York
3 US United States
F 45 Populated place
L 42 35 15 N  78 50 32 W
E 1296
.
quit
Connection closed by foreign host.
apple.com%
                        Don
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Don Gentner			email: gentner@apple.com
Apple Computer			telephone: 408 974-5198
20525 Mariani Ave, MS: 35-VK	fax: 408 974-0892
Cupertino, CA 95014		AppleLink: GENTNER
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:00:00 EST
From:         FAC_DBOYDRUS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      RE: First name Izola?

It made me think of Wagner.  Isolda seems very German.
Dorothy Boyd-Rush
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:39:15 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Ensminger" <ensmingr@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Where we are all coming from
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NODAK.EDU

Good morning, All!

Reference Dorothy Paul's comment on adding a sign-off to our
messages.

I think Dorothy Paul has a good idea. I find myself going back to
the beginning of a lot of the messages to see where it originated.
Naturally, that leaves a lot of room for guessing, what with the
E-mail addresses. The questions do seem to become more interesting
when I know a bit of the motivation--such as country, or state.

Regards,

Richard Ensminger
St. Louis, MO, USA
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:50:46 MDT
From:         Karen Bradley <karen@ALFA.NREL.COLOSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Geneaology as an academic subject
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

There is a degreed genealogical program at Brigham Young University in Utah.
There is an ad in every "Genealogical Helper".  If you don't have access, let
me know and I will e-mail you the information.

Karen Bradley
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: ldi@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (DiPalma)
Subject: Family Search - DiPalma
Keywords: DiPalma, Italy
Organization: Raytheon Company
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:57:13 GMT




Help in search requested!!!!!
-----------------------------

As many others, I am trying to develop my genealogy.  I have been able to
interview parents, aunts/uncles, as well as my paternal grandmother who
will be 97 in August.  My grandfather (Vincenzo DiPalma) was born in 
Ravello, Italy (near Naples).  He came to the U.S. prior to 1913 and
resided in Bridgeport, Connecticut (USA).

Any help or information would definitely 
be appreciated.  Please email with responses.  I will collect all
information and attempt to figure out where to put it.  Any hints as to
where it might/should possible be put would also be beneficial.

Also, if there are any other DiPalma's out there, please email.

THANKS!!!!!.................Louis DiPalma
From: renek@sci.kun.nl (Rene Klomp)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Meijer/Vinken Bay-City Mich
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:36:18 GMT
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands

Hello,

My GGgrandparents have moved to the USA around 1900, probably
to Bay City, Michigan. Their names are 'Johannes Meijer' and
'Maria Vinken'. They come from the Netherlands from a little
place called 'Alphen'.
Can someone help me 'find' them?! I would like to know when
they died etc.

Thanks, Rene.
From: kmuch@prg.ox.ac.uk (Kathleen Much)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: What is current GEDCOM spec?
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:51:18 GMT
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences

In article <1992Apr14.032605.8770@demon.co.uk> Trevor Jenkins <tfj@cix.compulink.co.uk> writes:
>By the way, is there any way to address electronic mail to the
>Family History Department in Utah? It seems a shame, for me to
>have to print the text out and snail mail it to them when I could
>email it instead. It has been suggested to me that there is BBS
>sysop somewhere who has offered to forward mail to them but I was
>looking for a more direct route.

You can take your own diskette (formatted for DOS) with your GEDCOM
file on it to a LDS center and ask for instructions. Or if you use the
LDS program PAF to collect your data, you can send it in via modem.
There are instructions in the PAF manual, and the communications
program is included on the program diskette. As of February (the last
time I was at a Family History Center), the Utah office did not have
email. I recommended that they get an Internet connection pronto!

Kathleen Much
Seeking ACTON, BAILEY, BALL, BEALE, BEAUMAN (BEAUMIER), BOBO, BRAKE,
BRITTAIN (BRITTON), CALVERT, COLSTON, CORGAN (CORRIGAN), FERREE
(FERIE, FIERRE, FIRE, FIERE), HARM, HARWAR, HEWITT, KENNERLY,
LEATHERWOOD, LEE, LEFEVRE, McCARTY, McQUEAD, MUCH, MUSGROVE, POPE,
SAUERWEIN, SONTAG, SPEER, TARRANT, TAVERNER, TERRY, UNDERWOOD,
WAREMBOUR (de WARENBUR), WEGMAN, WOOD, WOODRUFF (WOODROUGH), YERBY.




Kathleen Much
kmuch@comlab.oxford.ac.uk
also reachable at kathleen@casbs.stanford.edu
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Organization: Samford University Computer Services
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:24:14 CDT
From:         GLWARNER@SAMFORD.BITNET
Subject:      Alternate Town Names

Here is a tip that I found today in "History of Ancient Wethersfield".

I had been referred to this book by several people, on the list and
elsewhere, but had never bothered to order it because I KNEW that my
ancestors didn't live in Wethersfield, they lived in Watertown.

p.52 of this book revealed something to me that I hadn't known.  I'll
share it with you here.

At the same session of the Court at which the surveyors made their report
(February 21, 1636) the three plantations were re-named, that of "Dorchester"
being changed to WINDSOR; that of "Newton" to HARTFORD, and that of
"Watertown" to WYTHERSFIELD; the name being subsequently written Weathersfield
and more modernly as now spelled.

I apologize (half-heartedly) for not sharing this resource with all of you,
but I only had it on a ten day loan and did not have much free time during
those days.  I hope you understand.  If you would like to Inter-Library Loan
it yourself, you should tell your ILL person thart it is available from
Florida State University's  Robert Manning Strozer Library.


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Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, USA
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:09:48 MDT
From:         Mike Beier <LIBMAB%BYUVM.BITNET@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Sayers, Chippewa Indian lines
Comments: To: roots-l@Vm1.NoDak.Edu

I am working on several indian lines among the Chippewa of the Minnesota,
Wisconsin, Michigan area.  I am trying to fill in information on the Sayers
line.  My 4GGMother is Mary Sayers (Shagonaushequay), who married John H.
Fairbanks (a decedent of the Dedham Massachusetts Fairbanks).  Mary was born
about 1802 at Vermillion, Minnesota.  The U.S. government in trying to
resolve land claims in the early 1900's, commissioned a study to determine
family lines for the indians of the White Earth reservation in Minnesota.
This study produced the Hinton Roll, and on family #82 it states that Mary
Sayers is the daughter John or Tom Sayers (Shahgonaushee), and Bwanequay.
I am trying to determine if this John Sayers is, or could be related to, the
John (and Henry) Sayer (sons of Obemanunoqua) that are mentioned in the
treaty with the Chippewa of 1826 at Fon du Lac.  Anyone working in this area
contact me and we can share notes.


Mike Beier
General Reference Department Assistant
3228 Herald B. Lee Library, BYU, Provo, UT  84602

Searching:
  (Where) ............ (Who)
Northeast US/Canada; Sayers Beaulieu Fairbanks Ledeboer Miville
 and Chippewa indians at: White Earth, Crow Wing, La Point, Lac du Flambeau
Russia (german colonies on Volga); Beier Bayer Meier Melchior Vogel Rolsing
Adair Co. Kentucky; Loving McGinnis Conely Connelly
Adams and Scioto Co's Ohio; Lucas Williamson Short
From: aku@tik.vtt.fi (Arto Kujala)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Any europeans on soc.roots?
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:06:55 GMT
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory for Information Processing (VTT/TIK)

Arto Kujala, Helsinki, Finland !
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:40:23 PDT
From:         Robert Paul Monschke <Robert.Monschke@ENG.SUN.COM>
Subject: Re: Name changes...
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

I would try the New York ship records.

I just found by great/great grandfather in them for the year 1885 and confirmed
 the
town where I thought they came from in East Prussia.

It is possible that the early records did not include this information.

Note that only the town name was given and it, Louisenwerth, was a town of now
 more
than 100 people, so you may need to know the province.

You can get order the appropriate New York ship records from the LDS library
 nearest
you for about $4.00.

Hopes this helps.

Paul
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