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From: bade@athena2.Berkeley.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Advice/Tips/Suggestions re:Motorcycle Cleaning
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:14:16 GMT
Reply-To: bade@wombat.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM, Austin

>The K75S models have one that may fit the K100 that you could order from your
>dealer (if having all BMW parts is important).  A bit pricey, though, and it 
>may not fit. It has a finish on the front like those non-skid strips for 
>floors (good dirt and chip resistance) and may be available in a matching 
>color. 

Bzzzt.  Play again.  The K75S belly pan does not have non-skid strips on
it.  It will not fit on the K100, infact the K100RS has its own
belly pan which does not come up the front of the motor, hence more
dirt.   The S bellypan is about $300 for the fibreglass pieces
and about $60 for the mounting kit.   I was able to find a damaged
one at the dealer and bought it for $30 so shop arround if you
are any good with fiberglass repairs, used could save you
some serious change.   

Steve
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: My views of the RCR
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:46:30 GMT
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing

In article <1992Jul29.143810.11507@athena.cs.uga.edu>, weaver@castor.cs.uga.edu (Mike Weaver) writes:
> It was far too easy to get drunk Sat night. I drank too much and crashed early.
> I missed much of the Seth drinking too much. Though I heard all about it in the
> morning. I haven't seen so many people hung over in a long while. Virtually all
> the people in my t-p were hung over (including myself).

Hold on there before this becomes official DoD history.  I didn't drink 
"too much," I only drank "a lot."  My demeanor is normally a bit louder than
average and when I get into the upper but still conscious regions of the blood
alcohol curve, my voice becomes somewhat louder still.

I hit the sack around 1:20-1:30am and woke with a splitting headache at about 
7:20am.  The damage was easily cured by three plates at Shoneys.  The root cause
of the trouble was too many varieties of beer consumed, including a Heineken
someone slipped me in the dark.

If I really was as drunk and as foolish as a couple of detractors have started to
intimate, I probably would have obliged when a few trouble makers suggested that
I wake the camp with some exhaust songs around 12:45am.  So there...

- Roid
From: tmolina@csource.oz.au (Tony Molina)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Australian motorcyclists - do we need our own group?
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1992 00:15:04 +1000

In a message dated 07-15-92  03:16 Disco Inferno Curtis spoke thus to All 

 DIC> I'm finding it impossible to keep track of rec.motorcycles. 
 DIC> An aus.bike or aus.motorcycles (or aus.temporary :-) could be
 DIC> extremely useful. How many oz.bikers are there? It would be better
 DIC> to read articles about oz roads than us ones. So much of
 DIC> rec.motorcycles is useless.
 DIC> 
 DIC> Opinions?

I'm with you Brent. How can we organise this separation though?


Adios ..

= Tony =
(Melbourne, AUSTRALIA)


... A feature is a bug with seniority.
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From: jaschal@sco.COM (Jascha Lee)
Subject: Re: Please wear a helmet
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:12:37 GMT
Summary: lies, damn lies, and statistics


> I heard on the news last night that the CHP reported that fatalities
> from motorcycle accidents were down 43% since the introduction of
> the helment law here in CA. Take it for what you will. An unqualified
> assertion.

It's interesting how the news and people pick up a number like this.
What they fail to mention is that during this period (Jan-Mar), there
was significant rainfall, and thus fewer riders.  But what is more
important is that the March fatality rate for 1992 was about the same
as the March 1991 death rate.  (i.e. the Jan-Mar rates are usually
lower than the Oct-Dec rates).  Of course it is much easier to say
that the death rate was 43% lower after the helmet law, and let people
assume a causal relationship.
From: kcchu@remus.rutgers.edu (The Beach Bum)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Pointers on tire mounting
Keywords: free!!!!
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:02:25 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I just got my new tires mounted, and It was going to cost $50-60 bucks
more per tire and then $15 bucks a wheel for mounting.  So I mail
ordered.  I may have had to go to two shops ( Oversized tires read
last weeks post) but I finally got it done at a shop by my beach
house.  It cost $25/tire for mounting, but I still saved about $100
from Mail order.  

Dealers will try to get you for every penny they can, but they can't
understand when someone mail orders parts.  my $0.02 is, I can do alot
of the work my self, it gives me something to do (hobby), and I know
it's done right.  (I will be mounting my next set of tires myself)
Most of the dealers around here suck!  One messes up on valve
adjustments, on Can't sync carbs for Sh*t, and the other just ripps
you off. Unfortunately I am speaking from the experiences of my
friends.

Live and learn.

Keith
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From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: GATO Camera From Hell (tm)
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:31:00 GMT

In article <49140040@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, dug@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Dug Smith)
writes:
|> > Warning to UK bikers: Where the M4 (Highway to Hell (tm)) joins
|> > London (Hell (tm)), the filth have put one of their f**king
|> > little boxes.  It is on the incoming side, on the left, just
|> > where the limit goes from 70 to 50!
|> 
|> It would appear that in Germany, people were stealing these cameras,
|> after all,
|> you get a good quality SLR, with motordrive and bulk film loader,
|> plus a 
|> monster flash gun.  When they couldn't keep up with the rate they
|> were being
|> stolen at, they gave up.
HMMMMMMMMMM....What brand camera do they use in those
things anyway...and what do ya do with the guy in the
van ?
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From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD stuff reqd.
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:03:21 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) writes:
: In article <1992Jul22.155756.25332@bnr.uk>, datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes...
: >I am going to the Magna Carta MAG rally in Essex, England, next weekend.  I 
: >was wondering if someone could fax me a DoD badge or something for me to use 
: >as a flag or to use as a design for a flag.
: >Nick             DoD 1069
: 	Nick;  mail doesn't get through to you:
: Unique match not found for some or all NT/BNR COCOS recipient(s):
:   datasbld@bnr.ca (0 matches)
: 
:         Can you handle a PostScript file -- better yet, a colour PS file?  I
: did up two versions of the DoD Daemon in PS.  Bruce Tanner put them up on his
: ftp server at cerritos.edu.  If you want the files but can't ftp, drop me a
: note to ivan@cvax.psi.ch and I'll mail them to you.
: 
: >PS nobody answered my request for info about synthetic oil for my K100RS (sob)!
: 	See above, perhaps?
: 
: Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
: GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484

I know, I know, I know...  We have News here but aren't permitted to Email!
Bastards!!!  That was why I asked for a fax.  Evelyn (DoD 3333) sent me a
GREAT piccy which I have enlarged and am having printed on a tes-shirt even as
I speak(type).  It will be on the front and back and will cost L13.  I shall 
cover one of the piccys in plastic and use it as a flag for my tent, so if 
anyone goes to the rally and sees a blue dented (courtesy of my ex-wife) 
Flying-Brick, parked next to an igloo-type tent with a DoD flag on it, come 
and have a chat and a drink!  It's a shame I haven't got something warm, cuddly
and (preferably) female to keep the rain off of my pillion seat, but then c'est
la vie!

I know we have some sort of PS facility here as some geezer was spouting off 
about an onscreen PS viewer he'd just got his mitts on.  If you want to snail 
me, feel free, it's:-

Nick (the Biker) Pettefar
14 Hogfair Lane
Burnham
Bucks
SL1 8BY
L' Angleterre
Near Europe
EC (just/still).

or just hand it to the nearest Redcoat! (:>


Nick               DoD 1069             (How DO you get a .sig in tin?)

42 ?

"Just another brick (flying) in the wall"  -Pink Fluoride
From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dead Sidestand switch
Keywords: Sidestand switch
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:13:34 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <Jul.28.11.56.14.1992.7146@gandalf.rutgers.edu> kcchu@gandalf.rutgers.edu (The Beach Bum) writes:


>I noticed the oddest thing yesterday.  My sidestand kill switch
>dosen't work anymore!  Don't ask me how I know, but it dosen't.
>the bike runs fine and I took everything apart last night and checked
>the wires and everything is connected.  It's probably been this way
>for awhile since I don't for get very often, or I might have happened
>yesterday. I am going to check the wireing diagrams tommorrow, but it
>dosen't make sense to me as to why the bike runs.  The switch "clicks"
>unlike when my brake-light switch went out so maybe it's not the
>switch.  Does anyone know how how these things work?  If the switch
>malfunctions is there a backup circut that takes over?  I don't want
>to be running down the road and have the bike decide that the
>sidestand is down when it isn't!  (Could be really dangerous)

>BTW: I totally disconnected the switch and the bike still ran, even in
>gear.

>Thanks for  any advice,
>Keith
>-- 
 
What? I never heard of a "sidestand switch"? What logical purpose could
this serve, anyway? Do you have "wheel is ajar" lights too?

I would de-activate them asap!

Also, don't forget to unlock your fork before taking off, or you'll be 
riding around in circles all day! (sorry! just had to!)
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: misc.
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:22:13 GMT

ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine) writes:
>dragging his feet for ten feet before coing to a stop and ingoring our 
>pleas to take a course. Says he has no time. He's 50 and should know better,
>but how do we convince him to sign up?

Pull his plug wires, then offer to help him get his bike running again
if he'll take the course? :-)
-- 
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blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Tires: Metzler 55a vs 99a
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:12:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.000319.8575@microsoft.com> patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery) writes:
>I'm looking for recommendations about Metzler's 55a and 99a 
>tires.  I called Metzler and they position both tires as 
>sport-touring tires, but with the 55a positioned between 
>the Comp K and 99a for stickiness and lifetime.  They claim 
>an average of 7000 miles on the 55a, didn't give a number 
>for the 99a.  They pushed the 55a,  as did my dealer, who 
>claimed that Metzler was replacing the 99 with the 55a in 
>a phasing-in process.  They both claimed the 55a was a 
>better-made tire.

I've got the 33 on the front and the 55 on the rear (BMW K75). So far, I've got
~10k on the tires, and have about 1/4" tread on the rear (the front is still
about 3/8"). Never had any slippage on wet or dry pavement. Most riding is
highway miles, semi-twisting, up and down hill, on pavement that can get 
suddenly very slick (I commute from San Francisco to San Rafael; ~17 miles
and I cross the GG Bridge 2x daily). Get the occasional very wet pavement 
morning with nasty cross-winds.

No complaints here.

For what it's worth, of course.

Mike
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From: craig@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ryan Craig)
Subject: Re: Use of DOT5 in "older" bikes
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:55:35 GMT

In article <9900938@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) writes:

>> Use only DOT3 or DOT4 approved brake fluid. (etc., etc...)
>> 
>> Is there a good reason not to use DOT5 ? Or was the bike made
>> before DOT5 was available to the mass public ?
>
>Is there a good reason TO use DOT5??
>
Good reason to use it:  it doesn't absorb water, has a higher boiling point,
and some other stuff that I don't remember.

Good reason not to use it:  older motorcycle braking systems may have seals,
assorted rubber bits that will dissolve or swell when exposed to DOT5.  This
could result in dragging brakes, overheating brakes, no brakes!!, etc.

So just use the reccommended stuff and take care of it (you know, flush
with new fluid now and then, that sort of thing.

Later...
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From: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: FJ1200; did they make filter changes difficult ON PURPOSE?
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:05:34 GMT
Reply-To: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com

In article <14nifdINNfm9@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM  
(Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks) writes:
> 
> 	Having just attempted my first oil change on my FJ1200, 
> 	I gotta ask; did they make changing the oil filter that 
> 	hard ON PURPOSE? =B^)
> 
> 	I started working last night on this, thinking I had plenty of
> 	time to do my oil change and then cook dinner in time to catch
> 	Beverly Hills 90120. But no.
> 
> 	In addition to TWO trips out (One to replace my cracked oil
> 	pan, another to buy more oil; I *thought* I had enough on the shelf,
> 	but NO...), I managed to spill oil ALL over the place when I
> 	took the thing-that-hold-the-oil-filter off. It was almost
> 	dark by the time I finished, so I really could not tell if
> 	everthing was back together correctly.
> 
> 	SO this morning, I rolled the bike out, started it it up, and
> 	OIL SQUIRTED ALL OVER THE PLACE from the oil-filter-thingy, at
> 	which point I started yelling at the thing. When this failed
> 	to halt the flow of oil, I stopped the engine and got down and
> 	started looking for loose connections.
> 
> 	Everything *looked* fine, and the bolts were plenty tight. 
> 
> 	So the question to those of you with FJ's is, what's the 
> 	most likely thing I did wrong (Aside from trying to change
> 	my oil in the dark, which was obviously a bad idea)? The 
> 	thing appears to be seated correctly, yet oil is definitly 
> 	leaking around the edges..... 
> 
The first thing you did wrong was not to make use of the clever drain
screw in the oil filter housing. Right under the big bolt that you removed
to take out the oil filter is a smaller bolt that has a phillips head. If
you remove this oil will slowly drain out. If you then *slowly* loosen the
big bolt while maintaining downward pressure on the bolt, it will drain
the rest of the way out of the drain hole. Loosen it too fast and it all
splashes out the back onto the exhaust, but you know that already.

As fas as your leak now, I would guess that you either lost the rubber gasket
that inserts into the edge of filter housing, or you caught the kickstand
switch wire in the housing, preventing a good seal. Take a closer look at
it in the daytime and I would guess you'll see one of these two things.

Good Luck - and read the owners manual sometime :-)   (RTFM as they say)

Craig Dodson (Stratus Computer)
cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
DOD# 810
1992 FJ1200A
>
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From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Please wear a helmet
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 01:29:57 GMT
Summary: unassailable logic?

In article <25JUL199218190306@mpx1.lampf.lanl.gov>, wbetts@mpx1.lampf.lanl.gov (Betts, Wayne J.) writes:
> In article <keQRo8G00iUy42IK1m@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Peter A. Simon" <ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...
> #>
> #>While I agree with the economic arguments for helmet wearing laws

The other parts of the posting may be "unassailable", but this part
shows a severe lack of logical thinking.

Helmet *laws* have not eradicated motorcycle injuries or fatalities. 
They have not proven to be the cure-all promoted by their fans.

The "economic arguments" for those laws should be based on measurable
economic returns, but they are not.  They are based on the speculation
that the cure-all helmet law will automatically generate the returns.
This is an open-loop phenomenon, because the fact that the cure-all 
has not, in fact, generated those returns is never factored into
the system, much less *recognized* by the pro-helmet-law crowd.

Properly fitted and used helmets work, often in spectacular fashion.
Helmet laws demonstrably don't.  If those pushing for helmet laws
spent even a little of their energy investigating *why* the *laws*
don't work even though helmets do, maybe they'd find another solution
that *would* generate the returns.  

Naah.  THey'd have to use logic to do that.  It's much easier and
more comfortable to just keep mindlessly following the same
unproductive rut.

Chuck Rogers
car377@druhi.att.com
From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Nicest Interstate
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:50:51 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

In article <5049@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>Oh, yeah.  We have 65 now on I-81 almost border-to-border in Va.
>That's 300 miles of nice blacktop through the Shenandoah Valley and
>into the Smokey Mountains.  As Interstates go, this is one of the
>nicest.

OK, where's the _nicest_ chunk of Interstate highway in the whole US of A?
Must be a stretch at least 50 miles long.

I vote for I-90 from Missoula, MT to Spokane, WA.

Closely followed by I-90 from Cle Elum, WA to Bellevue, WA.
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From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Minimalist biking (was: Re: Dead Sidestand switch
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:39:34 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
: 
:  egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
: >How about it?  What is the minimum instrumentation or controls
: >necessary/desirable for a motorcycle?
: 
: 	My '66 Honda CA-160 is perfectly street legal.  Tt has a speedo,
: a neutral indicator, and a high-beam indicator.  Anything more would

What a bunch a pansies!  Neutral indicator, phah!  On my '73 Norton 
Commando there is only a high-beam indicator, tach, and speedometer.
And the speedometer is broken.  Well, sending unit actually, still no speedo!
I like having the tach, but if you can't find neutral by feel you really
need to practice.
   Of course, the Virago has the nuetral light and no tach, but that 
engine couldn't over-rev if it had to..

Bill Ranck
DoD #496

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From: jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette)
Subject: Re: THANKS Ed
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:23:01 GMT

In article <4919@gdls.UUCP> parker@gdls.UUCP (The Dougster) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.132552.14033@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette) writes:
>> I just wanted to one of the first of the RCRers to publicly thank Ed Green
>> and his wife Sandy for all the work they put into the RCR.
>> 
>> Jim Bessette
>
>I privately thanked Sandy at the RCR. So there! :-)

As I'm sure EVERYONE did.  I just wanted the world to know that Ed is a 
Good Guy (Tm) as is his wife (well, you know what I mean).  I believe Dean 
said he would be the next "host"?   Maybe we'll get to see Ed and Sandy on a
new bike(s) instead of in the Truck from Hell.

Jim Bessette
From: kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:14:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Blistered Buns: Why Lance Holst is a Jerk
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

In article <1992Jul22.204143.26789@microsoft.com> patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery) writes:
>

>I'm still trying to decide if rider would look goofy riding a Ducati 907 and
>wearing an Aerostitch.

  I don't look goofy sitting on my Red VFR750 which looks every bit as
good as a Ducati.  And anyone who thinks I'd look better in a skin tight
custom set of racing leathers has never noticed the creeping middle-age
spread setting in!

  The Aero suit looks utilitarian and serious, not goofy.

No subjective info here, only facts!

Ken `2 wheels good' Snyder
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From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Helmet laws, abortions and why national health care is a Bad Idea.
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:14:09 GMT

In article <SLAGLE.92Jul28232713@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes:

>Bullshit.  Find me one major hospital in the US that has a policy
>of turning away trauma cases on the basis of the patient's wallet.
>--
>----
>Mark E. Slagle                                 PO Box 61059
>slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com                       Sunnyvale, CA   94088
>408-756-0895                                   USA

When my wife lived in Miami about 5 years ago, she was praying not to
get into an accident, because hospitals there WERE turning away
emergency cases--they'd simply tell the ambulance to go elsewhere.  I
guess most people eventually ended up in a hospital, except presumably
for the ones who died while the ambulance was trying to get to one
that would take them.

While I don't think the hospitals were exactly checking the patients'
bank balance before admission, they had at least decided that it was
no longer worth providing certain services given the number of
non-payments.  In this case the lack of insurance coverage for some
patients was endangering the lives of all.

I would hate for this policy to take hold throughout the US.  It would
sure put a damper on my enthusiasm for motorcycling.  Given a choice
between the two possibilities, I'd prefer national insurance.

(And I originally thought this thread had nothing to do with the
sport!  Hah!)

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   BMWMOA #36829   DoD #0969   NRA #CDF6091M

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