HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy)
Subject: Re: BigFun
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:03:10 GMT

joe@decoy.uoregon.edu (Joe St Sauver) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.083401.2182@leela.cs.orst.edu>  
>jeremy@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Jeremy Smith) writes:
>>                     Big Fun in the Internet with Uncle Bert
>>                     =======================================
>>      Yer luvin' Uncle Bert stumbles through the gateway, scurries across
>>      the 'Internet land, eyes agog, then has Big Fun in the nether
>>      regions.
>> 
>>       [These are all ftp, telnet and email sites all over the world that
>>       have all kinds of neat resources available, and can mostly be
>>       accessed from any internet node.]
> 
>[stuff deleted]


>FINALLY, JEREMY, NOTE WELL:

>Do NOT assume that just because something works at your particular
>site that it is going to work everywhere. When you post something
>like this (which is just plain wrong unless you are an OSSHE user), 
>it makes for a lot of wasted time for everyone involved (including me,
>as well as those who try to follow your instructions and are then 
>clueless and frustrated when your information doesn't work for them).

>It may be BigFun for you, but it is a BigWasteOfTime for many of the 
>rest of us. Please be responsible about your postings and check any 
>information thoroughly BEFORE posting it on the net.

>Joe St Sauver (joe@oregon.uoregon.edu)
>Assistant Director, Academic User Services
>University of Oregon Computing Center

Sheesh, I think Jeremy did an excellent job, and I for one thank him 
for posting what he did, sowhat it one or two entries do not work for 
someone - they are also provided with a million others to have fun with.

 The guy trys to do us all a favour and you [Joe] jump down his
 throat. Relax

And again, thanx Jeremy, I for one am enjoying checking out various 
addresses and places you posted.
 

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From: tabitha@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: BigFun
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:49:46 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

Big Fun was big fun - is big fun - for me.  It is true that not
everything works out perfectly, but that's true when you go to
a restaurant with a friend, or take a woman out for a moonlit
dinner.  That's the way life is.  Everything *can't* be double
checked, at least not in a reasonable period of time.  If you're
highly adverse to taking chances, then don't extract files such as
big fun - which by the name and tone is clearly not an "official"
communication.
-dennis turner
From: bowler@athena.mit.edu (Bert Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Presidential candidate platforms available?
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:47:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep2.161916.24922@athena.mit.edu> tastewar@athena.mit.edu (Tom Stewart) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.174026.8684@sura.net> mtaranto@sura.net (Michael Taranto) writes:
>>All the Campaign 92 info is at the UMD CWIS
>>Telnet info.umd.edu
>>Connect to Govt./US/Campaign 92
>>
>
>Thanks for the lead!
>
>In the interest of accuracy, that should be "ftp" not "telnet", and the
>directory is:  info/Government/US/Campaign92
>
>Anyone know why there is no Republican platform filed there?
>	a) info.umd.edu is a Democratic site
>	b) the Republicans don't have one
>	c) it is too soon after their convention?
>	d) other??

As far as I can tell, there are multiple reasons.  The Republican
platform is huge.  It would be a very large file.  (I can't remember the
size realative to the Democratic Platform, but it something like an
order of magnatude.)

Another reason is that the Repubicans don't want to publicize the
plaform too much.  It is a very conservative document.  There are
realitvely few copies in print, and there is no on-line version at this
time.

Maybe excerpts will appear, but I wouldn't count on it.

-bert

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From: jap@acsu.buffalo.edu (James A. Perreault)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: How do you use the "post to Usenet by mail" service?
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:05:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi) writes:


>Since you're at cadence.com, I'll assume that you can't telnet and therefore
>a public-access nntp server is of no use to you. However, if a sys admin (say

How is this done?   I mean, besides telneting to the appropriate port
and sending news commands.


						Jim Perreault
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: slaury@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Susan Laury)
Subject: Re: Weather Services From Michigan
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:31:51 GMT

In article <mlester.38.715440927@ducvax.auburn.edu> mlester@ducvax.auburn.edu (Miles Lester) writes:
>Does anyone know what happened to the InterNet Weather information 
>service that was provided by U. of Michigan? I have tried both the
>old address of MADLAB.xxx.xxx.xxxxx and also the DOWNWIND.xxx.xxx.xxx 
>addresses and neither seems to connect. 
> 
>Is the service no longer available? Do I have the wrong address now?
>Or is it just temporarily unavailable?
> 
>Thanks in advance for any assistance.
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I just tried it and it worked fine for me. The address I have is:

madlab.sprl.umich.edu 3000

Good luck.

Sus.
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From: chavey@jalapeno.cs.wisc.edu (Darrah Chavey)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Country code suffixes list.
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:02:00 GMT
Organization: Beloit College, Beloit, Wisc.

For my own interest, I recently compiled a list of 71 "country codes", the
suffixes used in domain names and internet addresses. (e.g. al=albania ...
yu=yugoslavia). Two questions:

1) Is there an easy way to find or generate such a list?

2) If the answer to #1 is no, should I post my list? To what newsgroup 
   (if not this one)?

Please don't post replies just to question #2, email me if you wish.
What I'm really hoping is that some guru can tell me (and you) the easy
1 minute solution to #1.

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From: lanier@acpub.duke.edu (Dustin Lanier)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Internet in Latin America
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:01:17 GMT
Distribution: alt.internet.services, soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

I am beginning research on the extent of internet access and personal
computer usage in Latin America.  I want to know how usage has changed
in the last ten years and how if at all it has affected Latin America.
Any thoughts or suggestions on who to contact are sorely needed; e-mail
is preferable.

Estoy empezando un estudio sobre el internet y el estado de la informatica
en Latinoamerica.  Quiero saber como dicho estado ha cambiado, y como
estop ha cambiado la vida en Latinamerica.  Si tiene usted ideas, a si sabe
alguien con que yo hablar, por favor mandarme e-mail.

English or spanish replies are fine.

Dustin Lanier
lanier@acpub.duke.edu
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From: ayao@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Aubrey Yao)
Subject: compuserve
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:29:21 GMT


Sincerest apologies if this is a faq but is there anything special I need 
to do to mail to someone on compuserve?  I vaguely remember a thread on the
subject but have long since unsubscribed.  Anyway, I got mail from someone
on Compuserve; do I need to do anything special to reply other than hitting
'r' within elm?

Regards,
AY 
ayao@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
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From: stare@lonexb.rl.af.mil (Edward M. Starczewski)
Subject: Re: email to compuserve
Organization: RL
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 11:02:36 GMT

In article <36922@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> producer@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes:
>i know this subjject has been kicked around just recently, and if this is
>a FAQ, i apologise. But, how do i send mail to a compuserve acct??
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>
>Randy...
>
>
You mail it to XXXXX.XXXX@compuserve.com, where XXXXX.XXXX is the compuserve
user id, notice the normal comma is replaced by a period.

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From: storm@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Mutant Wierdness)
Subject: Re: What does this number mean?
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:03:10 GMT

jhunter@mta.ca (John Hunter) writes:

>Hello,

>I'm fairly new to the internet and have a simple question.

>If I'm attempting to telnet to machine.domain ####
>                                              ^^^^
>                                         What's this for?
 The port number.

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From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: commercial use of Internet 
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 13:44:10 GMT
Keywords: internet imp

sheth@cs.scarolina.edu (Vipul Arun Sheth) writes:

>In that case what if a person intends to make commercial use of the
>network and is willing to pay a price for the service ? can he/she still
>use it ?

Again, it depends on the type of traffic. If you intend to pass, for instance
invoice figures over the network, then you certainly could use the 
Commercial Internet Exchange (a group of regional service providers who 
allow you to pass commercial traffic over their networks) but you would
not be allowed access to the NSFNet, which prohibits commercial traffic.


>What about the people who post job listings, for sale ads etc on the net
>? are they making commercial use ? 

USENET != The Internet


>what about the postings in this group
>itself on services provided for a fee ? 

What about them? This message is getting to you because I paid a regional
service provider money for a network connection.

You seem to think that if any money exchanges hands, this somehow
constitutes "commercial use". I hate to break it to you, but it costs
scarolina.edu money for the network connection.

MD
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From: drw@euclid.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
Subject: Re: BigFun
Organization: MIT Dept. of Tetrapilotomy, Cambridge, MA, USA
	<DRW.92Sep2112348@euclid.mit.edu> <rxknw5#.adamsr@netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:55:44 GMT

In article <rxknw5#.adamsr@netcom.com> adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) writes:
   True. But if the fees are that nominal, the cost of
   collecting/administering them on the small scale  under discussion would
   prohibit their use. 

That's not necessarily true...  It costs about $1 to process an
ordinary check, which involves handling a physical piece of paper by
about 5 different organizations, between the person you give it to,
through the check-clearing system, and back to your bank.  Each of
those organizations maintains seperate books, and your check is
accounted for during each transfer.  If you throw away the physical
check and replace it with purely electronic records, the cost of
processing a charge might well be less than $0.10.

   Perhaps more importantly, however, is the fact that we are
   discussing information services at public Universities.

No, we are discussing information services over the Internet
("alt.internet.services"), of which some are used at and produced by
public universities.

   If ANYTHING should
   be available free to the academic community (or, for that matter, to the
   public) it is such educational resources!

That something is available free to a university student does not mean
that the supplier is not paid -- for instance, universities pay for
many journals, and supply them free to their students.  In that case,
the university gets to judge whether the subscription cost is worth
the benefit to its students.

Dale

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Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: joe@decoy.uoregon.edu (Joe St Sauver)
Subject: Re: BigFun
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 20:07:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.083401.2182@leela.cs.orst.edu>  
jeremy@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Jeremy Smith) writes:
>                     Big Fun in the Internet with Uncle Bert
>                     =======================================
>      Yer luvin' Uncle Bert stumbles through the gateway, scurries across
>      the 'Internet land, eyes agog, then has Big Fun in the nether
>      regions.
> 
>       [These are all ftp, telnet and email sites all over the world that
>       have all kinds of neat resources available, and can mostly be
>       accessed from any internet node.]
 
[stuff deleted]

> 128.223.32.xx  xx.uoregon.edu 2627 type: HELP      (Webster's)

Webster service is *NOT* available to users outside the Oregon State
System of Higher Education. In fact, webster service from the site 
mentioned may/will probably soon be limited SOLELY to University of 
Oregon users. (Non U of O users who need Webster service can get and 
run the Webster daemon code on virtually any local NeXT at their own 
site).

FINALLY, JEREMY, NOTE WELL:

Do NOT assume that just because something works at your particular
site that it is going to work everywhere. When you post something
like this (which is just plain wrong unless you are an OSSHE user), 
it makes for a lot of wasted time for everyone involved (including me,
as well as those who try to follow your instructions and are then 
clueless and frustrated when your information doesn't work for them).

It may be BigFun for you, but it is a BigWasteOfTime for many of the 
rest of us. Please be responsible about your postings and check any 
information thoroughly BEFORE posting it on the net.

Joe St Sauver (joe@oregon.uoregon.edu)
Assistant Director, Academic User Services
University of Oregon Computing Center
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: antbh@strix.udac.uu.se (Bernhard Helander)
Subject: Summary of World Broadcasts
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:06:32 GMT


Does anyone know how to get hold of BBC's "Summary of World Broadcasts"
on line?

Grateful for all suggestions, preferably via e-mail!


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From: als@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Anthony Shipman)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Internet access to/from Australia
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:38:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Power Software

lory@bcrka399.bnr.ca (Lory McCafferty) writes:

>I am trying to convince my brother in Brisbane Australia to join the
>real world and
>get connected to the internet. Telephone service is very expense between Canada
>and Australia!!!!!

>He has a PC, modem and several telecom packages but he is lacking the
>connection
>to the internet either through a local BBS or some commercial service.

>Does anyone have suggestions? Know of existing connections?? or Alternatives??

>Any clues are greatly appreciated. 

>Cheers



Here is a recent post on the subject:
================================================


From: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley)
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: Re: mail to "brisnet.org.au" problem
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:38:31 GMT
Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au

I just noticed this thread, and as the president of BrisNet, I should say a
few things about it.  As George Michaelson indicated, we have applied for
not-for-profit status, which should be forthcoming.  We have also registered
(and paid for) our MX with AARNet/AVCC.  The MX hasn't appeared in the DNS as
yet, probably because we aren't "official" with Prentice as yet, and George is
reluctant to set up the name on bunyip until we are official (understandably).

Some testing has been taking place, and we try as much as possible to set our
Reply-To lines to the percent path George mentioned.  The mentioned article
must have slipped through the cracks, or the software the replier was using
didn't understand Reply-To lines.  I'd like to see the original message if it
is still available.

BrisNet will be offering UUCP connections and dial-in mailboxes at the low
end of the market in the Brisbane area - private individuals with little cash
to spend getting a feed directly through the "big boys".  I have further
information available on BrisNet that I can send to people via e-mail if they
wish.

Sorry about the confusion, but as I said, we are waiting on Prentice.

Cheers,

Rhys.
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From: jem@calypso.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Presidential candidate platforms available?
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:13:14 GMT
Reply-To: jem@calypso.unc.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article 14104@athena.mit.edu, tastewar@athena.mit.edu (Tom Stewart) writes:
>Does anyone know if there are available via ftp files detailing (or
>outlining) the major candidates platforms?  Where?

hi,
there is a pretty good amount of current stuff about the us presidential
race under /pub/docs/speeches on sunsite.unc.edu.  

Also,  we have many clinton speeches/documents available by WAIS 
as clinton-speeches.  If you need a wais client, there are clients
for Xwindows, Unix, Macintosh, DOS, and MS-Windows on sunsite under
/pub/wais.


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From: producer@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: email to compuserve
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:31:20 GMT
Reply-To: producer@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

i know this subjject has been kicked around just recently, and if this is 
a FAQ, i apologise. But, how do i send mail to a compuserve acct??

Thanks for any help.


Randy...


Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: drw@euclid.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
Subject: Re: BigFun
Organization: MIT Dept. of Tetrapilotomy, Cambridge, MA, USA
	<17gavuINNfov@nigel.msen.com> <DRW.92Aug27140350@fibonacci.mit.edu>
	<wxdna2f.adamsr@netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:23:48 GMT

In article <wxdna2f.adamsr@netcom.com> adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) writes:
   It also becomes a commercial service at that point and is no longer
   *legally* accessible by NSF backbone.

That's a problem with the NSF backbone.

   It *also* becomes an additional expense for students and other
   researchers with limited budgets who will either be forced to reallocate
   their resources or to do without a potentially useful service.

Only if the cost is too high for them to bear.  Almost everybody pays
for their telephone, but this isn't a practical problem for more than
a tiny percentage of people.

   Neither of these alternatives sounds like it fits well with the
   principles of Internet (i.e., free exchange of information for the purposes
   of research and education).

But is that "the principles of Internet", really?  I would say the
principles of the Internet are (or should be) the development and
deployment of wide-scale computer networking into everyday life.  The
present non-commercial Internet is a primitive test-bed, much like the
early private telephone networks.  The telephone only reached real
usefulness for the human race when it became a utility that could (and
was) used by everybody.  (For a long time, "ubiquitous service" (as it
was called) was an explicit goal of AT&T.)  For the Internet to
fulfill its promise, it has to shed its abhorrence of money-grubbing
capitalists and become available to the Real World.

Flame, flame,

Dale

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only the best companies can expect to survive -- and then, generally,
on shorter rations.  The moral is applicable to an uncomfortably large
number of ... industries, including [automobiles,] banking,
agriculture and aerospace.  The problem generally is going to be to
get rid of the corpses -- not to continue to resurrect them.
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From: chavey@jalapeno.cs.wisc.edu (Darrah Chavey)
Subject: Re: Pakistan internet situation? Is there any?
Keywords: pakistan internet university blah blah blah
Organization: Beloit College, Beloit, Wisc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:18:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.125148.1331@u.washington.edu> hackerb9@carson.u.washington.edu (Yer Mom) writes:
>Does anybody know what (if any) internet access there is from Pakistan
>(particularly the University of Punjab and the University of
>Islamabad).
>
>Benjamin

The administrative contact for the Pakistan domain connection to the
internet is:
      Nisar, Ashar  (AN15)  ashar%ashar@UUNET.UU.NET
You might try mailing him to ask.

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