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From: st1q9@rosie.uh.edu (Devine, Della M)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Sliding Door Speaker Installation
Date: 11 Jan 1993 15:55 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


   In this months Auto Sound and Security there is an ad about 2/3 through
the magazine that advertises pins that do just such a thing.  they retail for
about $9 a pair (one for door, one for door post) so it would be $18 for
four pins for a speaker.  They look exactly like what is in my Chevy Astro
Van that passes the power to the door lock in the sliding door.  They work
great!  I'll see if i can find the issue and give you the address.

                                     see ya soon
                                     william c devine ii

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Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: C-D players
From: faanhuan@pyros.hacks.arizona.edu (Faan Liu)
Date: 4 JAN 93 09:31:03    
Reply-To: faanhuan@pyros.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: UofA Hardware And Computing Knowledge Society
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  

I am looking into getting an in dash C-D player for my 1987 Honda Accord.  I am
looking to spend around $400 dollars, but many things are on sale now, so
anything close to that will do.  I am considering the following: Kenwood 67R,
Sony 5180, Pioneer DEH-680 and the Blaupunkt Miami.  Does anyone have any other
suggestions or comments on the units I have mentioned?  Any information will be
helpful.  Please E-Mail to the following address:

	bdamiani@ccit.arizona.edu

or post here.  Thanks.
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From: bstdenis@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Brian St. Denis)
Subject: port length
Organization: Fort Worth Research and Development Center, Motorola, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:41:27 GMT

I made a NEW box last night for my MTX RTP 12".  It WAS 1.6 cu. ft., now
it is 2.04 cu. ft.  That is as big as I can make it and still have it be
removable from the trunk of my Mustang.

I am still using the same port of 4" diameter and 7.1" long.  The guy from MTX
said that an awesome box would be about 2 cu. ft. and with a 4" diameter, 16"
long port.

I characterize the bass response after the new box as being lower for sure.
It is still muddy and boomy for most bass notes, though.  I think that this
box has a large response peak at about 50-60 Hz and the other, smaller box
probably had its peak at 70 or more Hz.  The increased size is definitely
better.

I am going to get an active crossover (I have a passive one now) to cut the
response at about 100Hz.  This should help the boomyness (a new word).

Anyway, what can I expect when I make the port between 14" and 16" long
compared to the existing 7.1" port?  Will it flatten the response?  Will
it lower the response?

Thanks for any input and I'll post my results.

-Brian

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From: slgyp@cc.usu.edu (Doran L. Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: C-D players
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:07:29 MDT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Utah State Univ. - Elec/Comp Engineering

In article <4JAN93093103@pyros.hacks.arizona.edu>, faanhuan@pyros.hacks.arizona.edu (Faan Liu) writes:
> I am looking into getting an in dash C-D player for my 1987 Honda Accord.  I am
> looking to spend around $400 dollars, but many things are on sale now, so
> anything close to that will do.  I am considering the following: Kenwood 67R,
> Sony 5180, Pioneer DEH-680 and the Blaupunkt Miami.  Does anyone have any other
> suggestions or comments on the units I have mentioned?  Any information will be
> helpful.  Please E-Mail to the following address:

        Based on my previous experience and that of others that I have
        talked to, I would actually advise against getting an in-dash
        player at all. And what is all this talk about people's CDs
        melting in the deck?! What kind of an appliance is that?

        I bought my SONY 10-disk changer and Blaupunkt Cheyenne deck
        for $550 from a local a/v store. I probably got a decent deal
        on the package, but my CDs don't melt and I have 9 more than
        most people with indash decks to choose from.

        Something to think about.

        Doran


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From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Subject: Re: questions about dual voice coil subwoofers
Keywords: question subwoofer dual voice coil
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, UCLA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:15:43 GMT

In a previous article scott@cwis.unomaha.edu (Scott Ames) spake...
>
>I have a couple of questions about single vs. dual voice coil subwoofers.  I
>understand that dual voice coil subwoofers can reproduce both channels of a
>stereo signal where-as single voice coil subs can only reproduce a mono signal
>or one channel of a stereo signal.  What I am wondering is can a dual voice
>coil subwoofer be wired to reproduce only one channel and then use another
>dual voice coil sub to reproduce the other channel?  What I am thinking about
>is getting one dual voice coil sub now and then getting another latter.

Bad idea. When you use the two coils together, the overall sensitivity of the
speaker goes down by about 10dB. Better to wait until you can get 2 single
voice coil subwoofers.
From: ychoi@unixg.ubc.ca (Yen Choi)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Stolen or not?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:35:01 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

I saw an add in the local Buy and sell paper, selling a Panasonic Casseste
deck for a really good price.  But when I called the seller to ask about
the deck, he said that he didn't have the receipts.  My question is, how
do I check if the stereo is stolen or not?  His price seemed too good to
be true.


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Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: RYNA10@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Jay Kopycinski)
Subject: Re: Overheating CDs
Organization: Motorola
Date: 6 Jan 1993 07:46:13 MST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: gt7460c@prism.gatech.EDU (SHERIDAN,BRADLEY RYAN)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Overheating CDs
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:52:55 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan5.183155.11352@wdl.loral.com> trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R W
>A few people mentioned Pioneer in-dash CD players
>that make the CD hot when it is played.  I've noticed
>the same thing with my Sony 4040 in-dash CD player.
>Is this a normal thing for ALL in-dash CD players?
>Owners of other brands please respond...
>
>-- Tim
  I had a Sony 7580 pullout CD player w/ amp. It never heated up my CD's, but
I didn't use the built in amp. I did have problems with it skipping though...

  Does anyone know of a CD changer that has an FM tuner but doesn't require a
head unit? I would like to get a changer, but don't have a head unit, and
don't want to install another one.

Thanks for any help
Brad
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THE SONY HAS A SEPARATE FM TUNER MODULE THAT YOU CAN HIDE ANYWHERE.  THE
FUNCTIONS ARE CONTROLLED BY A DIN SIZED (3/4"THICK) CONTROLLER.

Jay

Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: RYNA10@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Jay Kopycinski)
Subject: Re: Speaker crackle
Organization: Motorola
Date: 8 Jan 1993 12:37:18 MST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: Kuyper@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ed Kuyper)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Speaker crackle
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:18:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.audio.car
Organization: Northwestern University

I have a 89 Jeep YJ with a pull out Kenwood sterio. Since I am restricted
to 4X6 speakers it quite treblelly but thats not problem. Due to the wind
noise and my lust for loud music I need to turn the radio up pretty high to
get satisfaction. The speakers crackle but it isn't due to the speaker
magnet bottoming out (I think). The root of the problem seem to be these
electrolytic capacitors on the speaker lines. I didn't put them there, they
were initially used in conjunction with a Kicker. I dont want to get a
kicker but there is some funky wiring going on down there with the ELC's. I
am wondering if I should just bypass the whole capaciter garbage. I would
also appreciate knowing what the purpose of these capacitors is. I know
electronics so feel free to go into detail. Thanks for your help


                                         -ed


CHECK TO SEE IF THE ELECTROLYTICS ARE POLARIZED OR NOT.  ANY ELECTROLY-
TICS USED FOR CROSSOVERS SHOULD BE OF THE NON-POLARIZED VARIETY.  IF
POLARIZED CAPACITORS ARE USED THEY WILL EVENTUALLY FAIL AND START TO
"CRACKLE".  THIS IS DUE TO DIELECTRIC DAMAGE CAUSED BY REVERSE POLARITY
SIGNALS BEING APPLIED TO THE CAPACITORS.  DUNNO IF THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM
BUT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK.

THE CAPS WERE MOST LIKELY USED IN SERIES ON THE 4X6'S TO ACT AS A HIGH
PASS FILTER.  THIS WOULD BLOCK THE LOW FREQ SIGNALS (MEANT FOR THE
SUBWOOFER) FROM GOING TO THESE SPEAKERS.  IF ALL YOU ARE RUNNING NOW
ARE THE 4X6'S, THEN YOU COULD REMOVE THE CAPS AND LET THE FULL AUDIO
SIGNAL (ALL FREQS) GO TO THEM.

HOPE THIS HELPS.

Jay


Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Overheating CDs
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:31:55 GMT

A few people mentioned Pioneer in-dash CD players
that make the CD hot when it is played.  I've noticed
the same thing with my Sony 4040 in-dash CD player.
Is this a normal thing for ALL in-dash CD players?
Owners of other brands please respond...

-- Tim
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: scott@cwis.unomaha.edu (Scott Ames)
Subject: questions about dual voice coil subwoofers
Keywords: question subwoofer dual voice coil
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 14:32:40 GMT


I have a couple of questions about single vs. dual voice coil subwoofers.  I
understand that dual voice coil subwoofers can reproduce both channels of a
stereo signal where-as single voice coil subs can only reproduce a mono signal
or one channel of a stereo signal.  What I am wondering is can a dual voice
coil subwoofer be wired to reproduce only one channel and then use another
dual voice coil sub to reproduce the other channel?  What I am thinking about
is getting one dual voice coil sub now and then getting another latter.

Also, when the power handling capability of a dual voice coil sub is given,
does the number apply to each coil, or is it combined.  For example, say
I have a 2 channel amp that puts out 100 watts per channel.  Then I connect
both channels to the dual voice coil sub.  Do I need a sub that can handle
100 watts or 200 watts?

Last one, Which of these setups would be louder?  Which is a better setup?
Which is easier to expand in the future?  Is there another setup that would
even better than these three?

1) one dual voice coil sub
   2 channel amp with 50 watts per channel.  Both channels connected to sub.

2) one dual voice coil sub
   1 channel 100 watt amp.  Mono output of amp wired to both voice coils.

3) one single voice coil sub
   1 channel 100 watt amp connected to sub.

Thanks,
Scott Ames
scott@unomaha.edu
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: davidv@sco.COM (Uncle David)
Subject: Re: Problems with Sony 5180 CD?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:48:51 GMT


hanson@tss.com (Hanson Loo) writes:

>I recently picked up the Sony 5180 CD player and it 
>seemed to work fine until I took a long trip recently.
>It seems to be quite picky about the CDs it will load.
>The same CDs that won't load, will play fine in the
>home unit, also a Sony. As a matter of fact, the same
>CDs will play in the other car unit a Sony 4040. Has 
>anyone else experienced similar problems? Should I be
>taking this "dog" in for warranty work? Thanks in
>advance.

i've had some somewhat similar problems with mine as well.
however, the problem went away after a bit, just about right
after i went over a big bump. i think some dirt or dust got
on the lens and was making certain CD's difficult to track
properly. at least one of the CD's i was having problems 
with now spins up fine.

i have one CD that skips in my portable on a certain section, 
but plays fine straight through on the 5180 in the the car. 
go figure...

anybody know of a good way to clean the lens on these in-dash
players? they have those lens-cleaner discs, but i'm afraid 
mechanism that pulls the CD into the player would munge the
brush it uses to clean the lens.
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From: slgyp@cc.usu.edu (Doran L. Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Problems with Sony 5180 CD?
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:15:27 MDT
Organization: Utah State Univ. - Elec/Comp Engineering

>>I recently picked up the Sony 5180 CD player and it 
>>seemed to work fine until I took a long trip recently.
>>It seems to be quite picky about the CDs it will load.
>>The same CDs that won't load, will play fine in the
>>home unit, also a Sony. As a matter of fact, the same
>>CDs will play in the other car unit a Sony 4040. Has 
>>anyone else experienced similar problems? Should I be
>>taking this "dog" in for warranty work? Thanks in
>>advance.

        I have the same problem with my 10-disk in my car. I have
        found that I just have to make sure that the disks are really
        really clean. Mine is a Sony as well (can't remember the model
        number) and I first experienced the problem when I put in a
        brand new (right out of the store) disc of Peter Gabriel - US.
        It played fine in my home player (also a Sony) but would go
        haywire in my changer and tell my deck that there wasn't a CD
        in that slot anymore. Very weird. I have found that a regular
        cleaning does the job. 

        I have also noticed that the recent very cold weather causes
        the suspension fluid in the changer to stiffen up and the
        changer becomes more suseptible to bumps and vibrations. 

        -Doran

Doran L. Barton 		``There was only one thing I could do: 
slgyp@cc.usu.edu		  Ding a ding dang my dang along ling long.''
Undergraduate - Computer Engineering                 -- Ministry
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From: ava@ddsdx2.jhuapl.edu (Ashik)
Subject: Alpine 3545 Amp 4 Sale
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 19:41:04 GMT

PLEASE REPLY TO THE FOLLOWING ADDRESS:
		hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu
__________________________________

ALPINE 3545 AMPLIFIER 4 SALE:

The 3545 was one of the largest amps that alpine made.
These are the same ones that Richard Clark sses in his Award
Winning Buick Grand National.... He's won EVERY major event in the
last 3-4 years using these amps.

It is rated at 250wpc at 4ohms, 350 wpc at 2ohms and 700 RMS bridged.

This unit is in very good condition and has just been serviced by Alpine.

If you are interested, please send me e-mail at hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu

New, it typically sold for about $1200. Best offer over $500
takes it.

thanks
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From: hoang@netop1.harvard.edu (Te Hoang)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Overheating CDs
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:39:47 GMT
Reply-To: hoang@netop1.harvard.edu (Te Hoang)
Organization: Harvard University


I have a factory installed CD player in my Toyota Supra. The CD seems
hot, I mean it is really hot but so far nothing abnormal happens.
I works great since day one...



Cheer.
From: eauu018@orion.oac.uci.edu (Glenn Kaino)
Subject: FORSALE : MOMO stars
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:27:46 GMT
Followup-To: rec.audio.car

I have the following for sale:
	    (4) Momo 5-spoke stars, 16x7", chromed, fits Nissan, recent (last 3  
         years) Hondas
	    (4) Pirelli P700ZR16 size 205/50 2 with minor wear and 2 BRAND NEW
	        (they are $200 each new)

Retail price is over $2600....

Im selling mine for a $1200 + delivery

call (714) 854-7392 for information
leave a message for Glenn
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From: bstdenis@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Brian St. Denis)
Subject: amps
Organization: Fort Worth Research and Development Center, Motorola, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:48:06 GMT


I am looking for a new or used amp to drive my subwoofer.  It has a max
of 200w so I want an amp that can drive (bridged) 150 to 200w.

Any suggestions to buy or units to stay away from?

Also, I noticed that the Alpine 3522, 2x30w or 1x80w is $130.  The next size
up is $200 and after that (1x160w) is $260.  Is it typical for most lines
of amplifiers to double in price to double the wattage?

Thanks in advance.

-Brian

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From: yystg@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (STEVE GRAHAM)
Subject: 1993 Ford Premium Cassette question
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  5 Jan 1993 10:12 EST  

Just got a 1993 Probe GT.

I would like to know if anyone has experience with the cassette deck that 
comes with this car.  This deck also comes in the Explorer, and I would 
guess it comes in just about every Ford.

I need to know if it has an input for a CD player, or would I have to use 
an FM Modulator ( :-( )?  I have not taken the car apart yet.

Please e-mail

S. Graham
From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Loss of Treble
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:23:53 GMT
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

In article <1664@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, macman+@pitt.edu (Dennis H Lippert) writes:
> In article <1993Jan11.134333.11757@westminster.ac.uk> adcec@westminster.ac.uk (Paul Roberts) writes:
>>I have a Roadstar Radio/tape player.. can't remember the number for now,
>>anyway, when playing tapes I usually don't get any treble from the left
>>hand side, on either side of the tape ( it is an auto-reverse player)
>>I also reciently got a hi-fi deck with the same problem..
> 
> In this last line, are you implying that you have the same problems in another
> tape deck?? If so, I'd say definitely that the tapes are the culprit. If all
> of them were recorded on the same stereo system... that machine's record 
> head is either faulty or misaligned. About all you can do is "deal with it"
> (bad option) or re-record all the tapes on a good deck (a bad proposition
> if you're anywhere near as busy as me!).

Another possibility is that the tapes are being recorded ok but that some part
of the tape path on one deck, near one edge of the tape (either edge, doesn't
matter), is magnetized.  This will erase the highs.  The left channels of the
two "sides" of the cassette are near the two edges of the tape, thus accounting
for only the left channels being affected. 

you'd have to have a VERY severely magnetized component, I would think, to have
this much effect.  It's possible, though.  Try recording TWO tapes (on both
sides) on a friend's deck, and play one of them in each of your decks; turn the
tapes over and play the other sides; then move the tapes to the "opposite"
decks, and see what you get.  If a tape is okay until it has been played on
one of the decks, get acquainted with a head demagnetizer. 

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
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From: donrm@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Don Montgomery)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:48:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Stolen or not?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car

In rec.audio.car, ychoi@unixg.ubc.ca (Yen Choi) writes:

    > do I check if the stereo is stolen or not?  His price seemed too good to

You might ask the dude if he has the owner's manual, all the mounting
hardware, and if the leads are long enough to wire crimp connectors to.
Other than that, unless there is a driver's license engraved on the radio
someplace, I don't know how you could tell if it was stolen or not.

Don Montgomery
donrm@sr.hp.com
From: Digger@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Digger)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Car Alarms
Distribution: world
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:45:12 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

 K>  door,trunk and hood protection (pin switches)
 K>  glass break detection
 K>  shock sensor
 K>  ignition kill
 K>  light flashing
 K>  soft chirp, and possibly locking/unlocking doors 

I've got a Clifford 2020 and it has all of the above except glass break
detection which is a pretty cheap option.  Never had a problem and am quite
happy with it.  I won't bother with prices since I'm in Canada... :-)

Rick.

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:26:09 CST
From: <UD180926@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Overheating CDs

I work at a stereo shop in Grand Forks and I have noticed the same thing.
Mainly it happens with our Profile line, where the CDs do get rather
warm.  They also get warm in our Nakamichis.  I'm not sure the cause.  I
figured since we leave the decks on all day that's why they get warm.  But
as far as our Yamaha CD players with the CD cartriges, we have no such
problem.

Brad Stone
From: system@hale.cts.com (System Administration)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Pioneer CD-changer has trouble in cold weather
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 23:37:29 PST
Organization: Hale Telecommunications Inc.

mdl@cypress.com (Matt Landrum) writes:

> I have a Pioneer 6-CD changer in my trunk.  The first
> Winter I had it, it worked fine.  Now it has trouble
> tracking on cold days.  Could it just be dirty?  I've
> tried changing cartridges, cleaning the CD's etc.
> Any ideas?  The people who installed it seemed to
> be rather clueless on what might be causing it.


Well, this would depend on how cold it gets in your area....

From a mechanical standpoint, possible problems could include:

Lubricants loosing viscosity
  (Or actually freezing?!)
Thermal shrinkage of low tolorance parts (Len Shuttle)
Condensation on the lens or on contact surfaces.

If your comfortable doing it, you may want to pop it open and
clean up the insides.  I'm partial to Breakfree CLP as a lubricant
for these types of things.  It's a teflon suspension that cures and 
leaves a teflon residue in about 2 hours.  Used sparingly, it
works good for me.


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