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From: dude@losers.hacktic.nl (Dude)
Newsgroups: co.general,rec.skiing,rec.travel,nyx.misc,du.general,bit.listserv.travel-l
Subject: Help, he's gay !(was: Re: Colorado Ski Report)
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:13:45 GMT
Organisation: black mail inc.

In article <1993Jan4.230717.3233@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, 
smith@lurch.jsc.nasa.gov writes:

SM> I'm happy to say that I AM skiing in Colorado in March, BECAUSE the 
SM> amendment was passed.  I won't have to worry about gay men staring at
SM> me while I am using the restroom (hopefully all gay men will boycott
SM> Colorado).

Well, I've worked at a store for two years, and 80% of the males there
were gay (why, I don't know). They didn't contaminate me with their 
homosexuallity, they didn't try to rape me when I was alone with them, and
they weren't staring at my ass when I was walking by.
I liked working there very much (heh, so many girls, and no-one who wanted to
date them :-). I think you are one of those people who wouldn't even recognize
a gay person if he was standing on one. I think you are very afraid of 
people you've only seen on TV.

SM> BTW, if gay men can use the same restroom as me, then why can't I use
SM> the women's restroom.  Separate but equal was ruled unconstitutional by
SM> the Supreme Court anyway, right?  

Right, and why can coloured people use the same toilet as you, right ?
Why not have separate toilets for niggers/faggots/kikes/etc etc, right ?
Why not sort them out before they can even bother you, right ?
Come on, put your pointed hat and white dress on, and start burning some
crosses !
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: Colorado amendment 2 information / boycott
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:42:09 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
Distribution: co
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
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Jim Rosinski (rosinski@isis.cgd.ucar.edu) wrote:
: > 
: >: Hate to differ with you, but I'm paying higher auto insurance rates
: >: because I am a single male, under 25 years old. I'm clearly being
: >: discriminated against because of my marital status, sex and age, but
: >: you don't hear me crying about it.
: >
: >And you wouldn't have a case anyhow.  The nondiscrimination laws generally
: >apply only to hiring and housing.  Next question?
: 
: But maybe he *should* have a case.  To those of you squawking about how
: terrible "discrimination" is: Do you have an answer to the question Eric 
: implied: Why is it "bad" to discriminate against someone because they are 
: black, gay, or female, but "ok" to discriminate against someone because they 
: are male, under 25, or single?  Hint: "Because the law says what it does",
: as Marc essentially answers above, is not sufficient.

That's not what I said at all.  The law clearly says it is just as illegal to
discriminate "against" males as females; just as illegal to discriminate
"against" single people as married people - *in those cases where
discrimination is illegal at all*.  Had Eric been refused *housing* or a *job*
on account of his race, gender, or marital status, he would have had recourse
under the law (although, if there affirmative action quotas involved, he might
have lost his case).  The point he, Eric was complaining about insurance rates,
which are *not* covered by nondiscrimination law.  If you think there should
be nondiscrimination policies in insurance rates, you'll have to take that up
with the state insurance commission, for starters.  I'm sure many have tried
this before, but to no avail - it is relatively easy to prove there is a sound
reason to charge males under 25 more than others.

--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
--
Amendment 2 Is Legalized Discrimination - Shame On You, Colorado
--
"Neither the State of Colorado ... nor any of its municipalities ... shall ...
 enforce any ... ordinance ... whereby homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual
 orientation ... shall ... be the basis of ... any ... claim of discrimination"
--
All opinions expressed herein are my personal ones
and do not necessarily reflect those of HP or anyone else.
Newsgroups: co.general,rec.skiing,rec.travel,nyx.misc,du.general,bit.list
From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno)
Subject: Re: Colorado Ski Report (Has become amend. 2)
Followup-To: co.general
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:45:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.211954.11965@ncar.ucar.edu> cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu) writes:
>Have you people ever heard of editing the "Subject: "??????
>
>Cris Hannu     

Even trimming the distribution list should not be a bad idea...
--
ciao! .mau.
-----
Maurizio Codogno - CSELT UF/DU dept. - Torino Italy
"home" email: mau@beatles.cselt.stet.it
Newsgroups: co.general,rec.skiing,rec.travel
From: devin@colorado.edu (No one in particular)
Subject: Re: Amendment 2 Yet Again (was Re: Colorado Ski Report)
Followup-To: co.general,rec.skiing,rec.travel
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:10:42 GMT

smith@dallas.jsc.nasa.gov wrote:
: In article <1993Jan6.044543.10771@netcom.com>, altinbay@netcom.com (John Altinbay) writes:

: |> > "Hooray for Colorado".  Ski elsewhere then... and quit whining.
: |> 
: |> By stating this, you are admitting that you support discrimination.
: |> By the way, who's whining?
: |> 
: |> -- 
: |> John Altinbay   -   altinbay@netcom.com
: |> ===============================================================
: |> There's a spirit that guides me, a light that shines for me
: |> My life is worth the living, I don't need to see the end.


: Obviously the spirit that guides you is not the Holy Spirit.  No 
: self-respecting Christian would openly support a life style such
: as homosexuality. 
: -- 

No self respecting Christian would support the kind of righteous judging
of others that's been done here either.  Go read Romans.

			-Devin

--
Devin Hooker (RP90)  (SotM 7/91)  DoD #0034  devin@boulder.colorado.edu  ------
"It's being both that's a bitch."                                      --\--- /
"I wanted to take my brain to hell and back and see what I had left."  \  \ //
"This howling in the distance, it's a captivating sound.                \  \/
        Can't tell if it's ecstasy or pain..."  -DW                      \/
Newsgroups: co.general
From: marks@ssdevo.enet.dec.com (Randy Marks)
Subject: FOR SALE :1980 Chevy C-10 pickup truck
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Colorado Springs
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:18:10 GMT


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Newsgroups: co.general
From: dcm@csn.org (David C. Menges)
Subject: Colorado SuperNet magazine - request for ads
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:35:36 GMT


Colorado SuperNet has decided to publish a quarterly magazine for the
state's online community.  It's focus will be information services, with 
special sections on K-12 schools, government, commercial, and library 
applications - ie, this is not yet another computer magazine, though 
there will be something for everyone, even sys admins.  

We encourage ads by relevant companies:  consultants, network integrators,
network product manufacturers, libraries, online database providers, 
electronics distributors, and so on.  The ads are to help lower the cost
of subscriptions, and to help build the infrastructure necessary to expand
the network.  

The rate schedule is:
	1/8 page (biz card)     $ 10  per issue
        1/4                     $ 25  "
        1/2                     $ 50  "
        full                    $100  "
        inside covers or back   2x above prices
Quantity rates are 4 quarters for the price of 3.

The magazine size is 5.5" x 8.5", and about 50 pages.  It will be mostly 
monochrome with an occasional two color (black with any another color) page.  
Since this is the first time we are open to changes.  There will be at least
1K copies of this issue printed and distributed to school districts, govern-
ment agencies, libraries, commercial and individual subscribers; it'll grow 
from there.

Send masters, camera-ready copy, postscript files, etc. by Jan 20 (for
the Feb 15 issue) to:
        Colorado SuperNet
        Colorado School of Mines
        1500 Illinois
        Golden, CO  80401
        303-273-3471
        dcm@csn.org

The purpose of this magazine is not to benefit SuperNet or for it to be 
a company newsletter (yes, we will print competitors' ads!), but to help 
Coloradoans learn about and take advantage of the net and applications 
based on it.

Subscription information to follow.  We are also interested in article 
contributions or ideas.
Newsgroups: csu.general,co.general
From: bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko)
Subject: Waterbed for Sale
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 15:24:18 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department


Queen Waterbed for sale.
------------------------
    - 6 draw underdresser
    - head board
    - liner, mattress, etc


Asking $60.00   O.B.O

Please reply by email!!
-- 
*****************************************************************************
Jeff Bokenko        bokenko@CS.ColoState.Edu             **** GO BRONCOS **** 
*****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: co.general,rec.skiing,rec.travel
From: altinbay@netcom.com (John Altinbay)
Subject: Re: Amendment 2 Yet Again (was Re: Colorado Ski Report)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:30:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.215803.374@mtechca.maintech.com> chuck@mtechca.maintech.com writes:
>
>>>> Amen!....How can any state in today's economy be ignorant enough to
>>>> let the self-focused interest of the increasing multitude of so called
>>>> "minorities" or special interest groups drive it's long term business
>>>> climate into the dirt....much like today's California...due to the
>>>> endless rules imposed to "protect" (in their own small minds), each
>>>> group who typically want something for nothing.  Thank you Colorado
>>>> for saying enough is enough and forcing people to compete on the basis
>>>> of qualification and not unrealistic "protectionism".  Anyone who can't
>>>> stand on their own two feet without several "special" laws.....stay the
>>>> hell out of Colorado!!! 
>-- chuck
>-----------------OPINIONS ARE MINE...ALL MINE...LIKE EM or NOT!----------------
>| Chuck G.                                                                    |

Boy, do we have to shout it out for you to get it?  AMENDMENT 2 IS NOT ABOUT
SPECIAL RIGHTS, it's about stripping certain people of their rights!!!!!

The San Jose Mercury News today has a really neat summary of it:  "exempts
gays from anti-discrimination law."

-- 
John Altinbay   -   altinbay@netcom.com
===============================================================
There's a spirit that guides me, a light that shines for me
My life is worth the living, I don't need to see the end.
Newsgroups: co.general
From: mcrosby@nyx.cs.du.edu (Matthew Crosby)
Subject: Re: Colorado Ski Report
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 23:38:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.230717.3233@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> smith@lurch.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.164151.29412@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
>
>I'm happy to say that I AM skiing in Colorado in March, BECAUSE the 
>amendment was passed.  I won't have to worry about gay men staring at
>me while I am using the restroom (hopefully all gay men will boycott
>Colorado).

"Paranoia strikes deep
 and into your heart it will creep..."

I fail to see what ammendment 2 has to do with people staring at you.  All it i
is is an unconstitutinal limitation on what laws local government can or cannot
pass.


--
-Matt
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the net!
mcrosby@nyx.cs.du.edu  -or-  crosby@cs.colorado.edu
From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: Colorado Ski Report
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:41:24 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkf.col.hp.com

kbowles@den.mmc.com (mac bowles) writes:
> In article <1993Jan4.164151.29412@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
> 
> >Someplace that didn't have a constitutional amendment stripping gays,
> >lesbians, and bisexuals of their civil rights?
> 
> I heard a commedian make a joke about this subject which I thought was really
> a good serious comment about people who say things like this and support a
> stupid and unjustified boycott - "Hell, why don't these people just accept
> the fact that Colorado voted on it and passed it in the good old American
> democratic way. Then leave Colorado alone. Let them work it out if it is a
> problem. If you don't like this fact of life, don't go there and most of all
> JUST BUTT OUT AND MIND YOUR OWN F______ BUSINESS."

So what was the joke?
-- 
Laura Johnson
lpj@col.hp.com
Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.
From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Stripped of Civil Rights?
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:21:58 GMT
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.

Let's keep this in perspective, folks.  Amendment 2 does not strip away
the conventional Civil Rights such as voting and due process.  It does
remove the "right" to be considered a minority.  Thus, this is sort of
"second order" discrimination.  Other states such as Georgia practice
"first order" discrimination against gays and lesbians by making it
illegal to be gay or lesbian.

Paul Ciszek                      When we are planning for posterity, we
                                 ought to remember that virtue is not
pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu            hereditary.     --Thomas Paine
Newsgroups: co.general
From: laszlo@partial.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, is new really better than old?
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:49:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.211617.4204@netwise.com> kelvin@netwise.com (Kelvin Fedrick) writes:
>In article <32936@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes:
>>Perot suggested a $0.50 tax on a gallon while almost everyone
>>else in industrial countries pays $4-$5 for a gallon, can anyone
>>think of a reason why a high tax, which would go toward road
>>maintenance and pollution measures, would not be a good idea?
>>If people drove less, our air would be cleaner, the roads would
>>be safer, especially for bicyclists and motorcyclists, there would
>>be less dust and noise, we'd all be heathier.
>
>I have no objection in principle to a higher gas tax (don't know about $.5)
>so long as the revenue gained was indeed used for roads, bridges, alternative
>transit projects, etc. and not diverted for other purposes. There are some
>issues which must be acknowledged and addressed beforehand though.
>
>That kind of a tax is regressive. It places a heavier burdon on poorer people
>than on the rich. Poor people should drive you say? Not every community has
>the kind of public transit systems available in Boulder and Denver and some

what public transit in boulder? IMHSHO it sucks. i never use it.
when i drive it is cheaper with the cost if insurance, gas, and
depriciation to drive. also if i want to go somewhere after 6pm
it takes a long time to get a bus, after 11pm forget it (so lets
all drive drunk since there is no cheap alternative).

>people need cars in their work, to get to and from work, and so forth. It is
>not fair nor acceptable (IMHO) to just say to these people: dont drive, move
>closer to you place of work, get another job, force your elected officials
>to invest in a public transit system, and etc..

and since when has it become the right of the poor to have a car
and to drive a car? also we shouldn't have to "force our elected
officials" and it is kind sad that we do have to force them.

>Finally, there is the question of whether additional revenue would be raised
>by doing this. Typically as fuel prices rise, people drive less so it is
>possible that you wont get any more money than comes in for gas taxes now.

and people driving less is bad? i walk to work (6th to 25th in boulder)
the guy in the apartment next to my drives 1/2 that distance. also the
less people drive the more gas prices drop.

>What is missing in the idea a method of targeting those times when people
>are making recreational use of vehicles as opposed to business or otherwise
>necessary use. If you can suggest a practical method of doing this without
>introducing yet another bureaucratic mess, then I would say you have something.

there are people that get along there entire life without cars, i don't
think there is a "necessary use" for a car that couldn't be dealt with
with a well implemented public transit system. 

laz
Newsgroups: co.general,csu.general
From: weibler@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Darren Weibler)
Subject: Wanted:  Used X terminals (color or b/w)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:58:15 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Hello.  I am associated with a small research group within Colorado
State University.  Our group is looking for any used X terminals that
folks have sitting around and would like to get rid of.  If you can
help, please send email to:
	garcia@longs.lance.colostate.edu

Thanks for the help!!

Darren W. Weibler
weibler@lamar.colostate.edu
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, Colorado 80523
Newsgroups: co.general,rec.skiing,rec.travel
From: eschwa@teal.csn.org (Emerson Schwartzkopf)
Subject: Re: Amendment 2 Yet Again (was Re: Colorado Ski Report)
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:10:29 GMT

Hey, this might be a little mundane to ask, but can we move the Amendment
2 discussion to co.politics.amend2.discuss? The group needs a little
action, and the co.general area could use a break.

-- 
Emerson Schwartzkopf       Gunnison, Colorado
eschwa@csn.org             A warm spot in a cold place

Newsgroups: co.general,rec.skiing,rec.travel,nyx.misc,du.general,bit.listserv.travel-l
From: zstewart@nyx.cs.du.edu (Zhahai Stewart)
Subject: Re: Colorado Ski Report
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 00:37:32 GMT

>>>Someplace that didn't have a constitutional amendment stripping gays,
>>>lesbians, and bisexuals of their civil rights?
>>
>> Or how about a place where its not acceptable to grant special
>>treatment and priviledges to certain groups of individuals.
>
>Don't try to be logical with radicals. It's obvious they'd rather have
>seperate legislation for *each* and *every* group that could possibly be 
>discriminated against.
>
>I'm anxiously awaiting the "Humpback Asthmatic Lesbians" equality act..

Funny.  "a place where its not acceptable to grant special treatement and
privileges to certain groups of individuals" doesn't exist in the US.  Every
state and the federal government grant special rights to heterosexuals, which
are unavailable to homosexuals (ref: marriage).  No state nor the federal
government grants any rights to homosexuals that are not evenly granted to
heterosexuals (including Colorado's cities with non-discrimination ordinances).
So he was just being snide and ignorant of fact.  You consider that "being
logical".  Sigh.

Meanwhile, you invent what "radicals" would rather do as a strawman of your own
imagination.  Your attempt at sarcasm falls as flat as your logic.  Have you
actually read, say, the Denver and Boulder ordinances?  Naw, that would be too
factual for a "logical" mind like yours.  You would rather sneer at parodies
which only you think insightful.

You might find the reality refreshing, if your fantasies aren't too fulfilling.

Newsgroups: co.general,rec.skiing,rec.travel
From: altinbay@netcom.com (John Altinbay)
Subject: Re: Amendment 2 Yet Again (was Re: Colorado Ski Report)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:59:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.163841.2135@ncar.ucar.edu> kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman) writes:
>
>None-the-less, it seems extremely rare that a newspaper article on the subject,
>even Denver & Boulder papers, fails to offer the synopsis that A2 
>"prevents special privileges to anybody based on sexual orientation".
>Seems CFV has successfully packaged the amendment for the general public.
>
>-Brian

What's even more shocking is that I've seen that synopsis in the writing
of columnists who are *against* amendment 2!

-- 
John Altinbay   -   altinbay@netcom.com
===============================================================
There's a spirit that guides me, a light that shines for me
My life is worth the living, I don't need to see the end.
Xref: sparky co.general:2442 rec.skiing:9344 rec.travel:17490 alt.config:8343 soc.motss:55671
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: co.general,rec.skiing,rec.travel,du.general,alt.config,soc.motss
Subject: alt.{something}amend2 (was Re: Colorado Ski Report)
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:50:45 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1993Jan9.011106.15234@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> 
 aburt@du.edu (Andrew Burt) writes:
>I'd like to suggest the creation of alt.politics.colorado.amend2. ...
>Since it has become the focus of national attention (and rightly so), I
>think it merits a group.   ... All those in favor?  Opposed?

In favor.  But unless you're planning to create a new "alt.politics.colorado"
hierarchy, I'd recommend going with ".colo-amend2" (fits in the fourteen-
character limit, and is sufficiently clear to those who'd be interested).

Since I'm concerned only with hashing out a name, I've directed followups
to alt.config.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher              news@uchinews.uchicago.edu
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From: drew@tigger.jvnc.net (Op Mgr)
Newsgroups: co.general,rec.skiing,rec.travel,nyx.misc,du.general,bit.listserv.travel-l
Subject: Re: Colorado Ski Report
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:06:12 GMT
Reply-To: lee%polarsun@rna.rockefeller.edu
Organization: ***
Originator: ENS@tigger.jvnc.net

ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
>>                               COLORADO SKI REPORT
>>                   "Colorado, Where else would you want to ski?"

>Someplace that didn't have a constitutional amendment stripping gays,
>lesbians, and bisexuals of their civil rights?

 Or how about a place where its not acceptable to grant special
treatment and priviledges to certain groups of individuals.

 Nah, forget it.  You'll think what you think.

 Please, everyone go to Ootah...
Newsgroups: co.general,misc.forsale.computers,comp.os.cpm