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From: alan@unisql.UUCP (Alan Weiss)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: Reminder:  Case against environmentalism lecture
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:43:51 GMT
Reply-To: alan@unisql.UUCP (Alan Weiss)
Distribution: austin
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Apr15.160311.27765@pencom.com> chauvin@pencom.com (Chris Chauvin) writes:
>In article <70276@ut-emx.uucp> amck@emx.utexas.edu (Alan McKendree) writes:
>> Dr. Reisman will not only question the motives and goals of the
>> environmental movement, he will reveal the fundamental moral premises on
>> which environmentalism is based.  After showing that human life and
>> well-being depend on science, technology, and economic progress, and
>> that the quality of human life has improved immeasurably since the
>> beginning of the Industrial Revolution, he will demonstrate that the
>> ultimate goal of the environmental movement is the destruction of
>> industrial civilization, impoverishment, and, ultimately, depopulation.
>
>Yeah, right.  Although the depopulation thing isn't a bad idea.  I don't mean  
>extermination.  I mean reasonable control over the population.
>
>I will agree that it is inherit in humans to use resources at will, but  
>eventually this system will collapse.  My 2 cents..for what it's worth.
>
>Chris Chauvin
>chauvin@pencom.com
>Pencom Software
>(512) 343-1111


Fine, Chris.  If you so desire to live by your social engineering
creed, I suggest you immediately go out and get either a vasectory
(if you are a dude) or get your tubes tied (if you are a girl -- Chris
isn't a gender-specific name).

As for "reasonable control over the population" .... WHOSE population,
and WHOM will provide the "control?"

I don't know whether or not Dr. Reisman's lecture is worthwhile or not ...
Do you?  Have you heard him speak?  Or, are you just basing your
judgement on the comments of others?



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From: lrk@k5qwb.lonestar.org (Mr. Lyn R. Kennedy)
Newsgroups: austin.general,tx.politics,tx.general,ut.general.austin.talk
Subject: Re: Ross Perot for President Information
Keywords: campaign 1992 H. Ross Perot president independent election
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 09:30:00 CDT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Radio Amateur k5qwb

peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:

> Please note that while Perot is an extremely competant manager, and the
> other people remaining on the playing field are singularly distasteful,
> Perot has shown a remarkable lack of concern for basic civil liberties.
> Please consider this before throwing your support behind this man. I don't
> believe that it's necessary to destroy the United States Constitution to
> save the United States.

He hasn't shown much concern for your tax money either. Wait till you 
find out where his first million came from.

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No.
But would you elect your wolf to guard your hen house?


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From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: tea-sip rotting in the hell of jealousy (was: in return for our defense of their countries (was: Ross Perot for President Information
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:55:33 GMT

Werner Uhrig writes
> 	simplistic solutions from simplistic minds, Aggie... ;-)


It would appear that over at t.u. they're still teaching the tea-sips that  
remarks regarding one's choice of institution of higher learning are  
sufficient in arguing with logical positions on totally unrelated issues.
From: bradley@cs.utexas.edu (Bradley L. Richards)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: Reminder:  Case against environmentalism lecture
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:55:23 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: saltillo.cs.utexas.edu

John F Haugh II writes:

>The best thing we could do for this planet is bring both China and India
>into the 20th Century.  This is actually a good thing is many ways.  It
>would reduce starvation and suffering, increase food and industrial
>output, and reduce population growth (since industrial countries tend to
>grow slower than less industrial ones).
>
>This planet could probably support 40 to 50 billion people quite easily.
>If you consider how bad a job the Chinese are doing with 1,200 million
>people living in a somewhat backwards nation, it should be obvious that
>the United States could support 2 or 3 billion by itself.

Ahem.  John is missing a rather critical point.  The *reason* that China and
India can support so many people is simply because those people have an
incredibly low standard of living.  Bring them into the modern world and
you'd have far worse problems.  And it won't help their agriculture very much,
since they are already tilling most of their arable land.

John clearly pulled those figures out of his hat.  Let's look at some real
ones.  There was an article in Issues in Science and Technology a couple
of years back that presented a very thorough analysis of planet-wide food
production and potential.  Their conclusion was that, if we all had the same
subsistance-level diet as peasants in China and India, the planet could support
around 10 billion people.  If we were to give everyone the diet of the average
South American, which includes some amount of meat but is still not as good
as "first-world" standards, then the planet could support about 4 billion
people (*lower* than the current population).  With the dietary standards
we're used to, we could feed only about 2 billion.

In other words, mankind is an overpopulated species.  Yes, we could feed
everyone on the planet, but if we would like to provide everyone with a
comfortable standard of living then we *already* have too many people!

Bradley
Newsgroups: austin.general
From: hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen)
Subject: Re: in return for our defense of their countries (was: Ross Perot for President Information
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: tx
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 04:22:23 GMT

In article <11936@tamsun.tamu.edu>, cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick) writes:
> Doug Andersen writes
> > $50 billion each from Japan and Europe
> > in return for our defense of their countries (great timing, I'm sure
> > they'd love to pay now that the USSR is gone).  
> [,...]
> This sounds OK with me. If they don't pay, stop all imports of their goods  
> into the USA. They'll gag in a week.
 
I don't have any problem with charging them for the defense of their
country, I think it's just dishonest to pretend that they would pay in
this day and age.  In some countries (like Germany) a significant portion
of the population would rather the US went away anyway.
 
They'll gag in a week?  I don't think so.  The US has a trade surplus with
Europe.  If we bring that trade to a halt, we'll both suffer, but the US
would make out worse.  
-- 
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hari@Sugar.NeoSoft.com
From: root@sickbay.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: US T-bonds
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:24:12 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: IBM, Austin

>While several people here think Japan-bashing is a great sport to 
>engage in, please remember that Japan voluntarily has financed the
>Reagan-Bsuh budget deficits (at least a third of them) since the early 80s.
 stuff deleted
investment.   I see no evidence that any Japanese philanthropy was
involved, and suggest that assigning this motive to the Japanese is
as incorrect as assigning blame for our economic mess.    
pc
 aside from taking sides, (I think japan owes us more than anybody in the
 world except Germany (but of course they have their orphan east to take care)
 anyway I regressed... If any one calls the US T-bonds the best investment
 needs a dose of political and economic reality. Safest - maybe. It's not
 the same thing. Best - hardly. We will undoubtedly inflate the hell out of
 our debt. There are two choices - 1 default
                                   2 inflate
 Now which do you think they will choose ?? Anyone buying T-bonds for 30 years
 at 8 percent will only make money if rates keep going down. Got it?
 Now, the interst rates have to increase to keep people interested and keep
 the money rolling in. By the way our real inflation rate and the Govt. stat is
 two different thing, frequently they quote core inflation,and hocus pocus
 monkey grease. Do you know what core inflation is ?? Inflation EXCUDING
 food and energy, Welll, who needs food and energy anyway ???? If you
 bought T-bonds in 1981, well you could make some money. (did you ???)   :-)
 Cheers Andras
From: lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Should Texas Succede (Was: in return for our defense...)
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:25:07 GMT
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick) writes:
|> I saw Perot in a TV interview yesterday and was very unimpressed.  He 
|> sounded just like a politician. $50 billion each from Japan and Europe
|> in return for our defense of their countries (great timing...

>This sounds OK with me. If they don't pay, stop all imports of their
>goods into the USA. They'll gag in a week.

Hmmmmm, this makes me think...  Why doesn't Texas succede from the union
(If I recall Texas has that option based on a deal that was made when Texas
joined the union in the first place.  For all you Yankees: Yes, Texas
was once an independant country.) and sucker the USA into defending us for
free just like we do Japan!  Wow, no more national debt!  Wow, no Defense
costs!  Wow, we could charge them BIG $$$ for oil!! Etc.

If Congress and George, no I'm not really a Texan, Bush are dumb enough
to give Japan and Europe a free ride, why not Texas???

Lance
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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: austin.general,tx.politics
Subject: Re: Ross Perot for President Information
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:56:15 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Taronga Park BBS

In article <12191@tamsun.tamu.edu> cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick) writes:
>Mr daSilva has been publicly requested to provide facts to substantiate  
>his assertion as made above. To date, he has been notably silent in reply.

Mister da Silva has a real life outside the net. Mister da Silva hasn't
run into Mr. Herrick's public request until now. Mister da Silva also doesn't
care for this oh-so-arch method of addressing people in third person, as if
one were facing a prosecutor in a courtroom. As a result Mr. da Silva will
simply ask Mr. Herrick to do some research about Mr. Perot's school system
work in Dallas.

Mr. Herrick might also consider that Mr. da Silva doesn't get austin.general
down here in Houston.
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From: larry@angel.UUCP (Larry Tenbush)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: SCTHS Meeting Announcement
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:42:48 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: Angel's Retrreat, San Antonio TX



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                 APRIL 1992 MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT


     Date: Wednesday, April 15th
     Time: 7:30 p.m.
     Where: Southwest Foundation - Denney Conference Center
            ( Military Drive and Loop 410 ) 
            San Antonio, Texas

     Come and meet Dave Barker, our guest speaker, who will have a slide
     presentation on the Ridgenosed Rattlesnake in Nothern Mexico
     (Crotalus willardi), as well as other herps found in that area.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *



               PUBLIC AWARENESS AND EDUCATION ANNOUNCEMENT


     Date: Sunday, April 12th
     Time: 1:00 p.m.
     Where: San Antonio Botanical Center

     There will be a live display of local reptiles.  I you can help 
     in answering questions or displays, please call Terri Lowell
     (512) 393-7404 evenings.



* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

               FIELD TRIP ANNOUNCEMENT

      Date: Friday, April 24th  and  Saturday, April 25th
      Where: Choke Canyon State Park - Calliham Unit

      On Saturday, April 25th there will be a BBQ it is also pot luck.

      In case of bad weather, alternate arrangements will be made.

      Foe Information, Call:  Jeff Barringer (512) 258-2506 Austin
                              Mike Berardi   (512) 520-3824 San Antonio


      
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From: dpm@cactus.org (David P. Maynard)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Austin Power Conditioning/Backup
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:09:45 GMT
Reply-To: dpm@cactus.org (David P. Maynard)
Distribution: tx
Organization: The Capital Area Central Texas Unix Society

Now that I'm living in Texas, I'm more concerned about the adverse
effects of thunderstorms and other power glitches on my system.

How stable is Austin Electric?  Should I mainly be concerned with
outright power outages (of what duration?), or are brownouts and other
irregularities common?  What is the common scenario for an outage
here?  (In Pittsburgh, the most common event consisted of a surge or
brownout followed by a less than 1-minute outage.)  If it matters, I
live in NW Austin (actually just across the line in Williamson County).

I'm trying to decide whether to invest in a really good surge
protector, a good power conditioner, or a UPS system.  A good Isobar
surge protector is ~$60.  An 1800W line conditioner is ~$190, while a
750VA UPS w/line conditioning is ~$500.  I've roughly calculated that
my power draw is rated around 600VA.  Is 750VA enough UPS power for
this configuration?  (I sized the 1800W conditioner to drive a laser
printer that I wouldn't attach to the UPS.)

Thanks,
David




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From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: in return for our defense of their countries (was: Ross Perot for President Information
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:38:01 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu


 cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick) writes:

|> I saw Perot in a TV interview yesterday and was very unimpressed.  He 
|> sounded just like a politician. $50 billion each from Japan and Europe
|> in return for our defense of their countries (great timing...

>This sounds OK with me. If they don't pay, stop all imports of their
>goods into the USA. They'll gag in a week.

	simplistic solutions from simplistic minds, Aggie... ;-)
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From: kerryk@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Kerry Kanbe)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: LOST DOG
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:43:50 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.

LOST DOG
Tan w/some Black Fur on back, Male Golden Lab/Shepard mix
60lbs, 8 months old, name is Spunky 
Last seen 4/5 in the Shady Hollow subdivision (south end of Brodie Lane)
 wearing a black collar with tags (may have a rope tied to collar)
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From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: did you tape 60 minutes?
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:42:13 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NOT

I missed the last 60 minutes. anyone have a VHS recording of it?

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From: kehleyr@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (I greet you)
Newsgroups: austin.general,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Masterpiece Theatre -- Clarissa, Part 1
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:55:13 GMT
Reply-To: kehleyr@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (I greet you)
Followup-To: austin.general
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: kehleyr@daisy.cc.utexas.edu

I can't believe I missed Masterpiece Theatre last week!
And wouldn't you know they showed something I'd really
like not only to have seen but to have taped.  I'm a
graduate student in the English department, specializing
in the 18c, and I'd really like to get a copy of the
first installment of Richardson's Clarissa.  If anyone
taped it, please send me e-mail letting me know, so that
I can make arrangements to borrow it. :)

Newsgroups: austin.general
From: oasis@gary.watson.ibm.com (GA.Hoffman)
Subject: Orthodontist recommendation
Summary: New In Austin
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 14:49:46 GMT
Distribution: austin.general
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I am new in Austin and a family member needs an orthodontist and dentist...
and recommendations?

thx, g

gary a hoffman
RISC Systems, Watson Research
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Newsgroups: austin.general,ut.general
From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell)
Subject: Public Transportation around UT/Austin?
Organization: Fathers' Rights & Equality Exchange
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 07:02:48 GMT



Can someone please give me a sense about how hard it would be for
someone to take care of their day-to-day living needs (i.e. grocery
shopping, stores, etc.) if they needed to rely on public
transportation to get from campus to wherever?


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From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: in return for our defense of their countries (was: Ross Perot for President Information
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:20:17 GMT
Distribution: tx

Doug Andersen writes
> I saw Perot in a TV interview yesterday and was very unimpressed.  He 
> sounded just like a politician. 
[...]
> $50 billion each from Japan and Europe
> in return for our defense of their countries (great timing, I'm sure
> they'd love to pay now that the USSR is gone).  
[,...]
This sounds OK with me. If they don't pay, stop all imports of their goods  
into the USA. They'll gag in a week.


	
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From: tjk@cs.utexas.edu (Todd Kelman)
Newsgroups: austin.general,ut.general
Subject: Mechanic reccommendations.
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:06:08 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: austin
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelady.cs.utexas.edu

My '87 Mercury Topaz is in need of some clutch work (hopefully
an adjustment, possibly replacement).  Has anyone had any good
experiences with mechanics in the Austin area (preferably central 
Austin)?  I usually go to Dura-Tune on 38th & I35, but they 
don't perform clutch work.  Unfortunately, they don't have
any reccommendations (At one time they did, but customers were
not satisfied with the work done at the reccommended places, so
they stopped reccommending them).

Any help would be appreciated (bad or good experiences).


     Todd Kelman                tjk@cs.utexas.edu
     University of Texas at Austin
     Dept. of Computer Science
     Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering  
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From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: austin.general,tx.general,houston.general,dfw.general
Subject: Re: Ross Perot for Pres
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:30:55 GMT
Followup-To: austin.general
Distribution: tx

In article <1578@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill  
Carter) writes:
$ In article <12191@tamsun.tamu.edu> cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles  
$ >Perhaps Mr Kennedy would like to offer facts regarding Mr Perot's  
first  
$ >million?
$ 
$    Gosh, Chuck.  These mild criticisms seem to have struck a nerve.
$    Can we take it that you have already made up your mind about  
Ross
$    Perot?  Why snipe?  

Because in point of fact my mind is NOT made up, and I would very  
much like to see some real, factual, supported information about Mr  
Perot, whether complimentary or not.

And because making unfounded accusations against someone, while very  
much in keeping with today's climate as generated by what passes for  
our news media and by the lesser of those who hang out on Usenet, is  
still the refuge of scoundrels.
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