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From: jefff@netcom.com (Jeff Irwin)
Subject: Re: Death on the Andrea Doria
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 05:21:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

: originally told me two divers were killed, but a subsequent article
: in the paper only mentioned one diver and had nothing to say about 
: the situation or the cause of death.
: 
: Any one else know any more?

As the story filters down to me, the two divers were from Santa Cruz, CA.
"Wings", the owner of Ocean Oddesy, and another diver (I don't recall the
name but I seem to recall that he was on the county ocean rescue squad).

The two seperated after reaching the bottom of the descent line at the end
of the dive Wings returned to the line, the other diver didn't.  Wings  
searched breifly for the diver but in doing so left himself with insufficient
air (gas) for decompression.  Wings was treated for DCS (present condition 
unknown).  Meanwhile, the weather got bad and the boat had to leave the site
for the night. On their return the next day, the missing diver was found near 
or in the wreck.

 
-- 
Jeff Irwin                           jefff@netcom.COM
Netcom - Online Communication Services - San Jose, CA
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: news@zardoz (usenet news administrator)
Subject: Wanted: Oregon/Washington scuba info
Organization: Uninet Peripherals, Inc., Irvine, CA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:31:46 GMT

I am interested in Oregon/Washington area diving.  I have looked at
the scuba archive on ames (an older copy that I have) and it looks
like some interesting diving around Seattle.  But it doesn't say much
about temperatures (drysuit needed for comfort/multiple dives?), how
much of the year there is good (what is good in the Sound?)
visibility, game opportunities, other diving areas, etc.  Any
information would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
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From: Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Dunn)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Rehersal of weight belt ditching
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:57:04 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada


        If you can hold your breath for 30 seconds under water, there is a
relatively safe way to practice weight belt ditching.  Start at the surface,
take the regulator out of your mouth, and take a breath and hold it.  Dive to
the bottom at say 10 to 15 feet, and release your belt there.  You will get a
rapid ascent without possibility of embolism, as your lungs were filled at the
surface.
--
Bruce Dunn    Vancouver, Canada   Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca
From: bette@wc.novell.com (Elizabeth Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: mensuration and sharks?
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:49:36 GMT
Reply-To: bette@wc.novell.com
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In <nxnmvda.jefff@netcom.com> jefff@netcom.com (Jeff Irwin) writes:

>Actually, this is one of the few women's related issues that has really been 
>studied.  

If one were being cynical, one might suppose that this is because the issue
directly effects the safety of male divers as well. :-)

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From: jdale@cats.ucsc.edu (Jonathan Dale)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Difference between the NASDS/SSI/PADI/NAUI/YMCA Advanced?
Date: 31 Jul 92 07:38:18 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Jul30.183541.23273@hou.amoco.com> zwbm07@hou.amoco.com writes:
>I have my YMCA OWI, NAUI OWII, PADI AOW, and NAUI Rescue Diver certifications.
>I have read whosbest.txt in the ames.arc.nasa.gov archive.
>Where I live there are shops/instructors that teach NASDS, SSI, PADI, NAUI, YMCA
>advanced & dive master/coordinator courses. Could someone compare/contrast the 
>advanced and/or dive master/coordinator courses from each of the agencies 
>(including material covered and pre-requisites)? Please note that I realize that the
>instructor makes all the difference in the world. If I receive email on this, I will
>summarize and post. 
>Thanks
>---
>TTYL & TANSTAAFL ---------------- Walter Moore 
>      Internet: zwbm07@hou.amoco.com
>
>..SCUBA divers do it with depth...blub...blub...blub...

Well, one thing that maybe you aren't aware of, is that "advanced" does not
mean the same thing to every agency.  I don't know about most of the programs,
but I do know that the NAUI sequence is Open Water I, Open Water II, Advanced,
whereas PADI calls equivalent courses Open Water, Advanced, Master (check me
on that last one, though).  That is, NAUI OW II = PADI Advanced.
This isn't because one or the other is a better course, it's because the
curriculum for PADI Advanced is the same as NAUI OW II (both involve more
dives and more variety of dives than the first course, maybe including a deep
dive and a night dive), and PADI Master (I think) has the same material as
NAUI Advanced (including navigation, some rescue material I think, etc).

From what I hear, YMCA uses names like NAUI, but someone like Dave Waller who's
a YMCA instructor could tell you better than I could.  Check the curriculum
of the course before you assume two courses are equivalent.  Also, if there
is an instructor or store that offers courses from two or more agencies, 
they can probably tell you what's equivalent.
Xref: sparky rec.scuba:3917 alt.fan.dan-quayle:2003
From: mayne@eta.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba,alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Quayle a diver?
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:27:50 GMT
Reply-To: mayne@cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department

The following is being reposted to include alt.fan.dan-quayle - which
I ironically just finished reading when I got to rec.scuba and saw it.
For a moment I thought I hadn't really switched groups. May some of the
hard core Quayle fan will knowe [sic] the answer.

In article <1992Jul17.114300.4279@bb1t.monsanto.com> tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
|>There is a rumor floating around dive circles here that a while back
|>some divers on a wreck in Florida were kicked out by the Secret 
|>Service because Dan Quayle wanted to dive.  Does anyone know if this
|>is just rumor or has any ring of truth to it?  Jeeze, if Quayle is
|>a diver, Cert. agencies must be getting pretty lax!   ;-)
|>
|>  TED FEUERBACH   Scientific Systems Consultant  Trilogy Consulting, Inc. 
|>  Lake St. Louis, MO        (314) 537-6603       tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
|>  Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed herein are MY OWN and obviously not
|>  the opinions of Trilogy, Monsanto or either of my two ex-wives.           
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: dan@resonex.com (Dan Kell)
Subject: Re: Skin Diver Magazine
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:06:52 GMT

In line with the current discussion about diving as a religion and SDM maybe
we should suggest to the manufacturers that they give us their gear to 
test and we could write honest, unbiased personal opinion articles on 
their equipment. We could post them here for all of the rest of us to 
read. Thats what?, thirty or forty pieces of equipment for the regular
contributers to this group. (Except for Ted, bad Ted! bad Ted! B-) )


-- 
Dan Kell                  
email to dan@resonex.com
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."   A. Einstein
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: dyer@marina.asd.sgi.com (Dyer Crouch)
Subject: Jade Cove, Calif
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:49:46 GMT

If this is a dup, I thought the first reply wound up in the twilight zone.
 
>I thougt I'd give the kelp another couple weeks to thicken up
>then head for Jade Cove. Does anyone have any experience with
>diving there?

>I've read several reviews in dive rags but I've yet talk with
>anyone that's actually been there. (there's probably a reason)

>What I do expect is a long hike, steep climb, exposed ocean,
>thick kelp, and 9000 lb jade boulders. So far it sounds like
>fun. :-)

>Any other input would be welcomed.


Good Choice!

I went diving there about 3? years ago so some of the details are foggy. If someone can correct me please do. You seem to have gotten the (correct) picture it is a pain to dive there. But the jade, and sights there are worth the trouble. As far as advice, I would suggest three things:

FIRST, the jade is not all over the place. The group I went with had pretty good luck so I will describe where we went. There is a big rock directly out from the beach which will have a cave running end to end at the base of it. This was as I remember the largest rock straight out from the beach. The base of the rock (with tides that day) was about 25ft down. The "gravel pit" around the rock is where most people I know of find jade. You can also fan out and dig. I found some larger pieces by digging under 

large rocks within 20ft of the large one I spoke of. Lots of smaller jade stones were found in the "gravel pit" all around the base of the large one.

SECOND, bring a good light. There are LOTS of green rocks which look like jade. Also color at 25ft in No CA has a lot to be desired. The best way to (for us) tell if a stone was jade was to shine a light through it. If the edges are semi-transparent, you found jade! In the gravel areas you can take your light and point it straight up and put a handful of gravel at a time on the lens and check a bunch of smaller stones at a time.

THIRD, I'm in O.K. shape, not great, not a sofa spud, but my legs were killing me the next day. Take it easy hauling equipment up & down to the water.

Also -
There is a fellow diver who can make jewelry from your jade if you so desire. He has a shop in Sunnyvale, or Mt View. His shop is called something like Weigle's Jewelry. Scott (Weigle) has a small shop but I saw some of his work from a friend and I was impressed.

Hope this helps. If you can't find a buddy to go there, E-mail me at
  dyer@asd.sgi.com
I would love to go again.

Good Luck -  d.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: njs@scifi.uucp (Nicholas J. Simicich)
Subject: Re: Instructor/Agency Accountability
Organization: Nick Simicich, Peekskill, NY
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:29:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.172802.3942@talon.ucs.orst.edu> sdodd@OES.ORST.EDU (Stephen M Dodd) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I'd like opinion from those of you on the net involved in training
>students about agency accountability.
>
>In one of my classes last night I heard a story about a non-certified
>diver teaching another to dive and then the second diver when to someone
>"selling" certifications and worked his way up to instructor ... and
>then turned around and "sold" the first guy an instructor rating.  Thus
>ending up with two bogus instructors.

Well, this is interesting.  What agency is this?  IDEA or something?
PADI, NAUI, and SSI all have checks and balances in their system so
that you can't make it to instructor without passing a checkoff by
someone who doesn't have a direct business relationship with the
instructor trainer you got your initial certification from.

Typically, one 'Instructor' can't make another 'Instructor'.  You have
to be an instructor trainer or course director.

>Both were later seen certifying divers who never made it to the water
>because "we know they'll never dive anyway".

If they are issuing cards in these circumstances, that is a real
problem.  More likely, they like being instructors, and are faking
classes so that their agency thinks that they are active and doesn't
nail them for inactivity.

>They kind of have the opinion that their instructor ratings allow
>them to take anyone out, particularily girlfriends, without any
>classes.

Um, actually, it does, within certain limits.  Certainly, they could
call it a resort course and they are on their own with their
insurance.  They have to stick to certain depth limitations, student
ratios, and should give some instruction.

>The case is clear to those observing it.  And the conditions continue.
>How's come the agencies don't catch up with them?  It's been at least
>four years.

Has anyone reported them?  Do you even know what agency they are with.
The agency might not be getting any complaints from their (non)
students.  Not every agency has an outreach program in their Q/A
department. 



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SSI #AOWI 3958, HSA 318, NAUI #14065
Join the movement ---  turn 'to bush' into a verb.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson)
Subject: Re: 2 divers die in San Diego
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:40:01 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, California
Keywords: diver deaths, San Diego

...natural selection at work.



Too bad though.  Every incident seems to reflect poorly on divers in general.
-- 
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                                                    Research Computing Services
                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA 
(415) 857-6432                                              peterson@hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: cff0347@mcnews.mcdata.com (Chuck Frans)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Wetsuit for large thighs
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:15:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: mcnews.1992Jul23.211515.8564
Organization: McData Corporation

In article <15239@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> wee@cs.ucdavis.edu writes:
>I've just recently started diving and would like to buy a wetsuit.  Unfortunately,
>the few times I've rented wetsuits, I've had problems fitting my legs (thighs
>especially.)  Although, I'm only 5'3", 140 lbs, I've had to wear Med-Large suits
>which are way too long for me.  Does anyone know a manufacturer that caters to
>"thicker" bodies?  Oh, my legs are very muscular, so I not hoping to lose any
>weight or slim down any time soon.
>
>-chris

There are many custom suit manufacturers in the U.S. !!!!

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From: mayne@sun16.scri.fsu.edu (Bill Mayne)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Diving headaches
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:24:28 GMT
Reply-To: mayne@sun16.scri.fsu.edu (Bill Mayne)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Jul30.021402.20788@nuscc.nus.sg> ccechk@nuscc.nus.sg (Heng Kek) writes:
>I'm a relatively new diver (NAUI OW1 Apr92) and experience headaches
>when I'm down after a while.  I've been told by an assistant
>instructor that it is because I tend to hold my breath.  Well, I DO
>try to breathe slowly and may unconsciously hold my breath at times.
>
>But my question is, how does holding one's breath underwater while
>scuba-diving cause headaches?  
>
>I imagine it would have something to do with Nitrogen in the blood.
>Any enlightenment would be most appreciated.

I doubt it has anything to do with nitrogen. CO_2 is a possibility,
as someone has already suggested. The danger of holding your breath
has already been pointed out, too. Some other possibilities which
aren't related to your breathing are cold, sinus problems, and tension.
You would probably recognize sinus headaches brought on by pressure
changes. These tend to be worst after surfacing. They might not be as
extreme as sinus squeezes. Since your problem which starts after you have
been down a while and while you are still at depth I don't think sinuses
are the main cause.

I've noticed that when I dive with my head back, as I sometimes
have to do to look where I'm going in small cave passages (Don't
do this without cave training) I tend to get headaches which I
attribute to muscle tension. You could encounter the same thing
in open water, especially if you are often in a slightly head down
position or looking forward instead of down when in a good horizontal
position. Being aware of this I've been able to reduce the problem
by consciously working on it. Rolling my head around a little to
help relax when I notice tension helps.

Bill Mayne
From: darby@tradent.wimsey.bc.ca (Doug Bentley)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Florida diving
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 19:08:26 PDT
Organization: TradeNET Corp., Castlegar, BC CAN

We are planning a vacation for Jun/93 and one of the areas we are 
considering is Florida, specifically the Palm Beach area and also the Keys.  
Travelling with us will be 2 18 yr. old girls.   I would appreciate info on 
good dive sites, dive shops, etc in those areas.  I'm also looking for an 
area where I don't have to ride herd on the 2 younger ones (they probably 
will be doing some diving too).  What is the drinking age in Florida and can 
under 21's rent or drive a rent-a-car?  Thanks in advance
Doug Bentley, Trail, B.C., Canada   darby@tradent.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis)
Subject: Re: Diving as a Religion?
Organization: NASA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:04:34 GMT

Kim Dyer writes
> I told them that diving was not really a sport, but a religion, and
> I needed to make a pilgrimage or commit my immortal soul to dry land
> for all of eternity.

  I love it!  I've offered the same argument about music and backwater  
canoeing, as well.  But I think diving might have a better chance of becoming  
an internationally uniform religion, due to its existing denominational  
agencies (PADI, NAUI, YMCA, etc.).
 
> The more I thought about it ... the more sense it made.  As I see it,
> the holiest of holies is the Great Barrier Reef.  We may not all make
> it there, but most of us WANT to get there before we die.
> Smaller shrines include the Florida Keys, Bahamas, Cozumel, and Aruba.

  Indeed, I've never been in a church that held a candle to the beauty and  
inspiration of a living reef.  Also, unlike the practices of many religions,  
visits to our place of worship have a strict time limitation.  And who was ever  
accused of going on a diving trip just to "put in an appearance"?

> Quarries and other nearby mudpuddles masquerading as bodies of water
> are the local chapels ... places to commune with the deity "Narcosis"
> when you can not make it to the Cathedrals.

  Well, I guess those of us living so close to the Florida shrines have no need  
of such lesser-world experiences.  :-)  Not that the deity you mentioned  
doesn't hang out in the Keys, as well...

> All certified divers can be members of "the church".  You become clergy
> if you spread the word and get others to train. You become the equivalent
> of a cardinal if you are an instructor.  Specialties are special
> devotional rites you have performed and are entitled to perform.

  And the instructors who push expensive gear for commission under the guise of  
"expert advice" are the equivalent of televangelists...

> Jacques Ives Cousteau is equivalent to the Pope.

  <Gag>  I think I'd prefer to think of him as The Buddha of divine diving.   
(NOT a religious flame!!!)

  Finally, let us not forget that diving, like all religions, has it's own  
swift and brutal forms of punishment (embolism, bends, etc.) for those who fail  
to strictly follow the path of diving righteousness.

  Geez, we're really starting to sound like fanatics.  I guess our next move  
should be to start distributing pamphlets at the local dive marina...

Brothers in Jacques,

Steve
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From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence Leong)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:50:48 GMT
Subject: Re: gif picture of soft coral in alt.binaries.pictures.misc
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.scuba

In rec.scuba, rogier@prl.philips.nl (Rogier Wester) writes:

|In article <1992Jul21.132210.318@spectrum.xerox.com> archer@rx.xerox.com writes:
|>
|>Yep I missed it too.
|>
|>Rogier,
|>Any chance you could re-post this and maybe a couple of others to this group.
|>
|>cheers
|>Stephen
|>archer.sbde@rx.xerox.com
|
|I'd rather not. I don't like to waist bandwidth for 2 or 3 persons. If you 
|missed it send me a mail and I'll mail it directly to you. When there are 
|lots'a people I'll reconsider.
|
|How volatile is alt.binaries.pictures.misc at your site anyway? The picture 
|is only a week old! I posted two others last Tuesday, don't miss them too :-).

I had the files sent by e-mail on request.  Thanks, Rogier.

My $0.02.  The feed for the alt.* newsgroups on my site is rather patchy.  The
sysadmin also clears them out faster (sometimes within a day or two!).

lawrence

|
|statistics so far:
|2 of you missed it
|6 don't get alt.binaries.pictures.misc.....
|2 reactions "I like it"
|
|I don't know how to follow-up, how much interest is there?
|
|Cheers,
|  Rogier.
|-- 
|--------------------------------------------------
|Rogier Wester
|Philips Research Laboratories, The Netherlands.
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From: Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Diving as a Religion?
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:42:44 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

In article <1992Jul21.001321.24718@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> 21329KAD@MSU
(Kim Dyer) writes:

>Someone asked me to explain why I was not about to cancel or
>reschedule a diving trip to attend a concert I desperately want
>to see.  (Don't ask who ... it's getting to be a sore point)

     The Who have re-united?  (Do they have a warm-up band?  Who's
on first? :-)

>I told them that diving was not really a sport, but a religion, and
>I needed to make a pilgrimage or commit my immortal soul to dry land
>for all of eternity.

     I love it!  There are stranger religions.

>The more I thought about it ... the more sense it made.  As I see it,
>the holiest of holies is the Great Barrier Reef.  We may not all make
>it there, but most of us WANT to get there before we die.
>
>Smaller shrines include the Florida Keys, Bahamas, Cozumel, and Aruba.

     In addition there's the spot we hope to get to in a couple of
years, our own personal Mecca: the Caymans.

>Comments?

     After a dive like Sunday's, I come up speaking in tongues...

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
I'm looking for the stationery department but they keep moving it.
From: peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Deep diving and Cave diving
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:12:07 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, California

In article <JCV26.92Jul20085346@jcv26aws.cas.org> jcv26@cas.org (Jon Vander Hill) writes:
>...                    
>
>   Now, I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but there are
>   reasons why recreational diving is limited to 130 feet.  There
>   are many who are now doing "technical diving" (mostly pronounced
>   'decompression diving'), but they have little to no
>   additional training for this.
>
>No flames here, but what are the reasons, please?  I recently
>read an article by Bret Gilliam (in _Scuba Diving_, I think) where
>he argues that the 130 limit is based originally on US Navy operational
>considerations, not on physiological criteria.
>
I've heard that the sport diving limit was set at 130ft to avoid nitrogen
narcosis.  "Almost every will be effected by 130fsw."
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