From: falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: 1-800-BEND-OVER
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:42:31 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <BvEC4E.Gu9@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl) writes:
> bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
> :Dave Sill (de5@ORNL.GOV) writes:
> :| He only wants to hear the good news.  Where's the number for Perot supporter
> :| who *don't* want him to run to call?  Unless nobody bothers to call the
> :| support hotline, Perot will have a mandate to enter the race, and no real
> :| measure of what the majority of his supporters want.
> : 
> :  Knock it off.
> 
> What's the matter?  Can't handle an opinion different than yours?

  No surprise there.  Neither can the Democrats or the Republicans.  What's
your point??

> 
> :   That post is a good example of how the campaign has been going so far.
> :   The Democrats and Republicans talk about everything but the real 
> :   problems of the country.  
> 
> At least the Democrats and Republicans, and the Libertarians, and all
> the little parties, have known for quite a while whether or not
> they were going to have candidates running for different political 
> offices.  I haven't heard Slick Willie, Chicken George, or Andre Marrou
> wimp out of the campaign and then want back in.

  And the Dems and the Reps have known that they've been in control of the
country and probably will be again.  (PUKE!)  Marrou and Lord are wasting their
time.  Until a candidate from other than the R and D Express can actually do
well in an election, Debbie Gibson could see the Oval Office before Marrou...
 
> :   What do you care of how Perot runs his campaign?  
> 
> I, and probably others, care because Presidential campaigns are the public's
> business.  I don't like false claims or false advertising from _ANY_
> candidate.

  Well, let's see....   How many of the last x number of Presidents have the
people elected for successfully deceiving the public??  Wanna take a shot?
 
> :   If you want to talk
> :   about silly issues like this, stick to your own party.  
> 
> What party?  I'm a G-D-I!  An independent.  I will be voting for the
> person or people I feel are best for the job, regardless of which
> fascist organization, er, party they belong to.

  At least you're right there.  The parties are there to sustain themselves and
make money, not get work done for the people.
 
> :   The Democrats
> :   and Republicans ran $35 million pep rallies that excluded dissent.
> :   The Republicans brought in hundreds of young Republicans who were not
> :   delegates to make it look like there was more support and enthusiasm
> :   than there really was.  The Democrats wouldn't let the governor of
> :   Pennsylvania present an anti-abortion stance.  Delegates who were 
> :   supposed to give "spontaneous" interviews were coached and rehearsed
> :   their lines up to seven times.
> 
> That's politics.  It doesn't make it any better when Perot misrepresents
> what his 1-800 number is being used for, or consults his "volunteers."
> Do you realize that many of Perot's state coordinators have been replaced
> since Perot wimped out?  Some of his "volunteers" are on his payroll.  So,
> while Perot is trying to get a "popular mandate" for him to re-enter
> the race, he isn't really.  Most of his "volunteers" will naturally 
> urge Perot to run, otherwise they will be out of a job.

  If some of Perot's volunteers are working 20+ hours a week, I'd HOPE that
Perot would at least have the common courtesy to pay them.

  I think Perot knows he is wanted, by a substantial number of the voters, back
into the race.
 
> I don't like it when the Socialists and the Fascists, er the Democrats
> and the Republicans play these little games, and I don't like it when
> Perot does it too.
> 
> : | Bend over, folks...
> : 
> :   Wake up and look are around.  It is the Democrats and Republicans, not
> :   Perot, who have been screwing you for years.  This, and not Perot's 800
> :   number or his campaign, is the real problem.  
> 
> Agreed.

  Until you get the R and D Express from railroading this country to hell,
nothing will change.  It's all smoke and mirrors.
 
> :   Perot's candidacy may be the healthiest thing to happen to our political
> :   process in our lifetimes.  To see this go take a look in any Perot
> :   headquarters in the next 5 weeks.  Perot's citizens' movement is as
> :   close to true "democracy in action" as you can get. 
> 
> I will admit that if Perot had not chickened out, it would have been far
> more likely that Bush and Clinton would have had to face the real issues.
> Unfortunately, I don't think that Perot can get Bush and Clinton to
> change their political games now.

  Oh, I beg to differ.  That soiree in Dallas is a start ...
 
> :   With Perot about to enter the race, there is has been more talk about
> :   the deficit in the media in the last few days than in the the all the
> :   months before that combined.  Maybe we can stop arguing about fictional
> :   television characters and how another campaign should use its 800
> :   number and get down business.
> :
> :   We need Perot to give the system and people like the poster of the
> :   previous article a good swift kick in the butt.
> 
> I'll agree on that point too.  I don't think it will happen, and heaven
> help us if Benito Perot is elected, but it would be mighty nice if
> the candidates would face reality before the election.

  Only one problem, Mike.  Bush and Clinton won't do it.  Perot might.  Is that
why you want heaven to help us in the unlikely event he should win??

						Mike Falkner
						falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu