HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: polekat@tic.com (Ed Cavazos)
Subject: November General Membership Meeting
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 03:18:02 GMT

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          |             EFF-Austin Announces              |
          |                                               |
          |         A General Membership Meeting          |
          |                                               |
          |            Saturday, November 14th            |
          |                2:00 - 5:00 p.m.               |
          |            Meeting Room, 4th Floor            |
          |       Austin Public Library, Main Branch      |
          |                 800 Guadalupe                 |
          |                                               |
          -------------------------------------------------
 
EFF-Austin, the local chapter of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, 
will be holding a general membership meeting on Saturday the 14th of 
November from 2 to 5 p.m. at the Austin Public Library (Main Branch) 800 
Guadalupe.  This meeting will provide a chance for EFF- Austin members and 
anyone else to get updates from the officers, hear about what 
EFF-Austin has planned, and find out what they can do to get involved. 
More importantly, it will allow members and others to ask questions, 
make suggestions and voice any ideas in an interactive, real-time 
discussion about our growing organization. 
 
The meeting is open to the public. Everyone who is interested in 
EFF-Austin is welcome and encouraged to attend. For more info about 
EFF-Austin or the meeting, contact Ed Cavazos (email polekat@tic.com / 
voice 385-2789) or Jon Lebkowsky (email jonl@tic.com)
 
At 4:00, the meeting will be turned over to representatives of various 
groups who are currently planning and discussing public-access internet 
services for the Austin Community.  EFF-Austin has been watching with 
interest as various plans have developed, and is excited to be 
able to provide a forum for the discussion and presentation of them.  
This part of the meeting promises to be lively and informative. For more 
information about the public-access internet portion of the meeting, 
contact Max Cray (email max@underg.ucf.org / voice 339-2724. Ask for 
Chris).                                            
 
See you on the 14th!


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: swisher@cs.utexas.edu (Janet M. Swisher)
Subject: Re: Rumours about busts at computer con meetings...
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:19:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.140229.3886@tic.com> max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray) writes:
>[Moderator's note: rumors are one of the things I was explicitly asked
>to screen out of this forum, but I'm passing this along because it
>raises an interesting question: exactly what is it that HoHoCon might
>be busted *for*?  -- Prentiss Riddle, riddle@tic.com]
>
>Hey, here is the rumour I got. Is it true? Does anyone have any
>further info?
>--
>
>Pumpcon, 2600 Chicago meeting, and a bunch of other shit just got busted.
>Apparently some SS involvement, so Hoho might not be too safe. 
>Just a thought...

The PumpCon bust was reported in NEWSBYTES, reprinted in the Computer
Underground Digest 4.55 (with one dood'z eyewitness account in 4.56).
See comp.society.cu-digest.

>From CU-Digest:
>the police, in response to noise complaints
>arrived and allegedly found computers in use accessing systems over
>telephone lines.

The local police called in a computer crime expert for advice.  A
handful of the couple dozen persons taken for questioning were charged
with "criminal trespass", but I believe this refers to the hotel
property, not the "accessing systems over telephone lines."  The only
individual still being held at the time of the report had a prior
arrest history.

In short, HoHoCon might be busted for playing the stereo too loud.

-- 
Don't take life so serious ... it ain't *no how* permanent. -- Porkypine. 



Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Rumours...
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:41:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.003214.19535@tic.com> bei@dogface.austin.tx.us (Bob Izenberg) writes:

>I suspect that this is just too fanciful a tale to be true.  The Secret Service
>turning over a bust to a bunch of rent-a-cops in a mall?  Leave the shredding
>of the Bill of Rights to the professionals, I say.

Incredible as it seems, this story at this point seems to be true. Brock
Meeks, of Communications Daily, played for me the tape of the mall cops'
boss, who says the Secret Service "ramrodded this thing."


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I can solve this Orient Express thing without
mnemonic@eff.org| breaking a sweat. It's that simple."
(617) 864-0665  | 
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Hercule Perot


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: bei@dogface.austin.tx.us (Bob Izenberg)
Subject: Re: Rumours...
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:03:10 GMT

Ed Cavazos wrote:

# Not sure about Pumpcon or the Chicago 2600 Meeting, but apparently a
# meeting of the 2600 group in Wash D.C. got "busted" last week.

I suspect that this is just too fanciful a tale to be true.  The Secret Service
turning over a bust to a bunch of rent-a-cops in a mall?  Leave the shredding
of the Bill of Rights to the professionals, I say.

Bob

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           WORK: bobi@vswr.sps.mot.com  HOME: bei@dogface.austin.tx.us
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Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray)
Subject: Rumours about busts at computer con meetings...
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:51:19 GMT

[Moderator's note: rumors are one of the things I was explicitly asked
to screen out of this forum, but I'm passing this along because it
raises an interesting question: exactly what is it that HoHoCon might
be busted *for*?  -- Prentiss Riddle, riddle@tic.com]


Hey, here is the rumour I got. Is it true? Does anyone have any
further info?

--

To: max
Subject: Uncool
From: gautama (Siddharta Gautama)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 16:19:04 CST
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

  Max.. guess what I just heard? Just in case you haven't yet...
Pumpcon, 2600 Chicago meeting, and a bunch of other shit just got busted.
Apparently some SS involvement, so Hoho might not be too safe. 
Just a thought...
        
                                  Siddharta Gautama 
                            <(-;C    S.H.O.W.   ~~~666~~~

________________________________________________________________________
Gautama@underg.ucf.org
--

                                          -= Max =-

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I program in C because it turns women on...


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: blivion@taronga.com (Steve Ryan)
Subject: Rumours about hoho & other con busts
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:15:51 GMT

 These bust rumors are flying aabout all over the net. I ran
into it last night on irc #hack. I'm not impressed by anything
I've heard. I have been acting informally as legal adviser to
the hohocon organizers for over a year and the worst thing I've
been asked to handle is a broken mirror charge demand in an
attendee's room.(they were not charged). 
	The root of these rumors is ignorance and paranoia, ap-
parently. Some paranoia is justified, but hasslers seem to act
out of ignorance more than posing an actual legal threat. It makes
me recall the first time a nonputering friend saw me using my modem.
"Isn't that illegal?" I was asked. I have also this year defended a
college student who was attempted to be expelled from college
for *trying* to ftp to a site unsuccessfully.
	Take note, all paranoiacs: anyone disrupting our conferences,
with or without the aid of badges, had damn sure better have their papers in 
order. Most of the actions against our community involve mere harassment
without any legal basis. I'm sure the 2600"bust" amounted to no more than this.
.....
  In short, no one who refrains from vandalizing the Coke machine has
anything to fear from attending hohocon. Pay you hotel bill and I can
pretty much assure you no "hacker busts" will occur. You do take a risk
by appearing in public, but this is intelligence gathering, not exposure to
criminal charges. I will be present and available for intervention/
consultation in the event of any untoward presences by badge bearers.
I will not guarantee to represent in all situations, but our community
is by no means helpless against harrassment.
	Steve Ryan
	EFF Cooperating Attorney
	blivion@nuchat.sccsi.com
	blivion@taronga.com



Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: polekat@tic.com (Ed Cavazos)
Subject: Re:  Rumours about busts at computer con meetings...
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:58:15 GMT

>   Max.. guess what I just heard? Just in case you haven't yet...
> Pumpcon, 2600 Chicago meeting, and a bunch of other shit just got
> busted. Apparently some SS involvement, so Hoho might not be too
> safe.  Just a thought...

Not sure about Pumpcon or the Chicago 2600 Meeting, but apparently a
meeting of the 2600 group in Wash D.C. got "busted" last week.

The meeting was held in a public mall location, and mall security (working
for the SS according to some of their comments) broke up the meeting, 
confiscated papers, magazines, etc. and detained some of the participants
for a short amount of time.

All of the details are not out yet, but it seems like it was another
example of law enforcement getting a little over anxious.  

<perhaps we should all wear our nicest shirts to the Meeting this Saturday
 in case we have to have our mug shots taken  :)                         >

Ed


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: wiebe@ut-emx.uucp (Anne Hill Wiebe)
Newsgroups: austin.general,rec.pets.cats
Subject: two affectionate cats for adoption
Keywords: cats, adoption
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:32:01 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Distribution: austin
Organization: U. Texas Center for Space Research

This is posted for a friend with no net access.  She volunteers 
for the Cedar Park Humane Society, which has a no-kill policy.

Two cats ready for adoption, both now living in a SPCA foster
home, used to living inside and outside.

Tangerine, an orange tabby adult female cat, spayed, all shots
current.  This cat is very much her own person, affectionate;
she likes being an "only" cat, although she has lived with other
cats successfully enough.

Marshall, a black adult male, neutered and all shots current,
enjoys the company of other cats, loves having his head petted.

If you're interested in finding out more about adopting one or
both! of these, call Beverly at 443-4707; there's an answering
machine on that line.  
-- 
Anne Hill Wiebe (anne@csrux1.ae.utexas.edu)  When in danger or in doubt,
(512) 471-5573, 450-1694                     run in circles,
Center for Space Research                    scream and shout.
From: aqn@tivoli.UUCP (Andy Nguyen)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: accepting risk (was speed traps on 2222)
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:15:34 GMT
Reply-To: aqn@tivoli.UUCP (Andy Nguyen)
Distribution: austin
Organization: Tivoli Systems Inc., Austin, TX

joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner) writes:
> proof positive that higher education DOESN'T work. the age old fallacy of 
> public burden rears its ignorant head, motorcyclists are a medical blight 
> on society.

jlpicard@austin.ibm.com wrote:
>On the contrary, motorcyclists are a major asset to the medical 
>industry. Motorcyclists are a major supply of spare organs and
>tissue for various&sundry transplant operations. In fact, police
>in the Chicago, IL area refer to motorcycles as "donorcycles" 
>for just this reason (ref: _What Cops Know_ and _Pure Cop_ by
>Connie Fletcher).

Which goes to show how severely misguided the general public and the
law enforcement crowd are. ("There are three kinds of lies:  lies, damn lies,
and statistics!")

a.  "Medical blight:"  the _number_ of incapacitating accidents (not talking
	about fatal accidents here;  wouldn't be fair;  not gonna do it) are
	far higher with automobiles than with motorcycles; sheer number has a lot
	to do with it.  (True, _percentage_ wise, the numbers look bad for
	motorcycles.)
	"Medical blight on society:"  the few times that I fell off my bike and
	wound up in the hospital, I did not get a free ride (no pun),
	financially speaking;  I paid for my own mistakes, with cash and with other
	intangibles (like not being able to wear long-sleeved shirts for a
	while =|-).
	How was I a "blight on society?"  This is just another bureaucratic
	knee-jerk response from the insurance lobby and their favorite pet,
	the NHTSA.

b.	"Asset to the medical industry," "donorcycles:"  again, in absolute
	numbers, the issue is highly insignificant.

Basically, people just can't stand seeing others having fun & endangering
their own lives (and no one else's).

I think I'll go nail my tongue to the caboose of the Missouri-Pacific
Express before they get around to outlawing that, too.

-- 
"Obscenity is a crutch for f*cking inarticulate bastards."
Andy Nguyen/Team Paranoid (512) 794-9070  aqn@tivoli.com  ...!uunet!tivoli!aqn
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: accepting risk (was speed traps on 2222)
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:15:30 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <4149@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.161724.17638@mcc.com> breland@cobweb.mcc.com (Mark Breland) writes:
>>Insurance can't buy back a life.
>Seems to me Joe can risk his own life if he wants to.

Do you think it's alright for him to be risking someone else's life while
he's risking his own? Before you answer, think about the guy whose wife was
killed by an out of control driver.  Then imagine it as your wife, or
girlfriend, or SO.

The next time you want to live on the edge of 2222, imagine some other guy,
coming the other way, who thinks he's as good a driver as you think you
are.  Chances are that both of you are misled.

Daniel Welch
Newsgroups: austin.general
From: matth@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Matthew Holle)
Subject: Re: homeless on street corners
Keywords: homeless
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Distribution: austin
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:20:27 GMT

In article <83355@ut-emx.uucp> wiebe@ut-emx.uucp (Anne Hill Wiebe) writes:
...
>not to look; I'm not in any position to give much.  And I'm 
>afraid of: asking such a person to come work in my yard or home, 
>since they're in such desperate straits and might through 
>that same desperation rob or victimize me (note I said MIGHT, 
>I know many of these are moral people but how on earth can you 
>tell?!)  I'm also aware, through radio news commentators and 
>some personal experience, that some of them are pure con 
>artists, making good money standing at street corners in 
>preference to getting a job.
...
>
>A former pastor of mine used to tell me about people who
>approach churches looking for help (happens a lot, I understand)
>and that he would always try.  But he'd grown pretty cynical
>about it all.  He said if they said they needed money for gas,
>he'd go with them to the gas station and fill their tank;
>usually it'd already be full.  Or buy them a bag of groceries.
>Maybe that'd be a good thing, to buy a bag of groceries and
>bring it back to them.  Would they appreciate it, would it
>really be helpful?  Would that be a problem, to store/transport
>the food to wherever they live?
>
>Honestly, does anyone have suggestions on concrete, relatively
>risk-free ways of really helping these people?  I mean, I
>suppose you could stop and make suggestions to them, regarding
>the Salvation Army or places to apply for work, but I'm afraid
>there might be a negative, even possibly violent, reaction to
>what might be perceived as condescending.  I'd love to hear some
>ideas; I've heard enough negative stories.  I think we don't
>want to see these people.  But I also think that turns us into 
>something less, when we pass by without helping.  Ideas?

My wife and I struggled with this for a long time about a year ago
because there was a guy who hung around by our grocery store parking
lot exit with a sign.  Our solution was to start buying extra groceries,
like just an extra bag of oranges.  On our way out of the parking lot,
I'd jump out and hand him the bag.  We always received a strong "thanks!"
or "god bless" in response.

This let us help out, knowing we were really helping instead of giving
$$ with the possibility it could be used for alcohol.  Also, it was
safe because it was so quick and in a public place and easy because
an extra grocery item is pretty inexpensive.

Hope this helps...

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#include <std_disclaimer.h>             Matt Holle
                                        Motorola RISC Applications
                                        matth@oakhill.sps.mot.com
From: rspence@mpd.tandem.com (Russell Spence)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Levi's 501s
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:46:55 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX


	Does anybody know where I can get Levi's 501 shrink-to-fit (*not*
	prewashed) in the Austin area?  The place I used to get them, the
	Miller's Outpost on Anderson Lane, has closed down.  There must be
	someplace that carries them.  Thanks.  Please email.

-- 
Russell Spence                                               Austin, Texas

"Foot-impelled bi-directional verticle transport asset"
				- staircase, as defined by the U.S. Army
From: max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: Please help! Suggestions on finding conference room
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:43:25 CST
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

benkei@cs.utexas.edu (William Kent Richards) writes:

> I need a 1500-2000 sq ft conference room for nov 20-22.  I've tried
> all hotels, and no go.  Any other suggestions?  Thanks very much!

Try the libraries.

                                          -= Max =-

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 I try to be my own moderator...
From: benedict@chaos.utexas.edu (Thomas Benedict)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: homeless on street corners
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:13:13 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: Center for Nonlinear Dynamics, University of Texas at Austin
In-reply-to: painter@apatch.dell.com's message of 11 Nov 92 20:35:40 GMT

This isn't so true of Austin, but in California at any rate,
legislation has changed the laws regarding extended stays in mental
hospitals, so a lot of the street people in California are certifiable
under many legal and health systems, in many cases CANNOT work for
food, simply because they are incapable of doing so.

I'd have to agree, though, that the best way to help the homeless is
to donate to an organization dedicated to that cause.  Not only is
this because of the "to feed a man, teach him to fish" doctrine, but
that a lot of small amounts of money cannot do the same things as a
large sum of money and an organization.  To draw what's probably a bad
example, ten individuals with $100 probably can't get matching funds
grants from anybody, but ten people forming an organization with $1000
can probably get some matching funds, thus extending the money
further.  Also, such things as buying in bulk, and simply being an
organization that takes donations would stretch money as well.

Tom Benedict
benedict@chaos.utexas.edu
University of Texas at Austin
Newsgroups: austin.general
From: msc@orac.holonet.net (Matthew S. Cronk)
Subject: these dogs need a home
Keywords: bow wow
Organization: haphazard at best
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:22:52 GMT

(I am aware of the austin.forsale newsgroup, but I am attempting to find good
homes for these two pets, and want to gain the attention of readers who might
not otherwise hear of these dogs' plight.  Please excuse this cross posting.)

I am selling two beautiful female Rottweiler dogs on behalf of a relative
who can no longer keep them.  These two dogs are extremely gentle and
loving, and are one and one half years old.  As pets, they have been well
cared for, and AKC papers and current health documents are included.
Our concern is that these two dogs find good homes, and if you can provide
such an environment, please call and we'll introduce you to them.  One
is spayed, and the price for her is $200, and her sister is not spayed,
and her price is $300.

Call 835-6362 for more information.
thanks,
Matt
From: regina@tivoli.UUCP (Regina Foiles)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Interfaith marriages
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:46:24 GMT
Reply-To: regina@tivoli.UUCP (Regina Foiles)
Distribution: austin
Organization: Tivoli Systems Inc., Austin, TX


My sister and her boyfriend are getting married in June. She's protestant and he's jewish. Neither
a minister nor a rabi will marry them because neither one wants to convert to the others 
religion. My sister does want the wedding to be in a house of God, so does anyone know of any
Chapels in Austin or of any Chaplins who will perform non-denominational, interfaith marriages?

Please email me directly at regina@tivoli.com because I don't read this newsgroup too often.

Thanks in advance,
 	Regina Foiles
Newsgroups: austin.general
From: inde54q@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: FISHING on Lake Travis
Reply-To: inde54q@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:23:41 GMT

I'm considering going camping the weekend before Thanksgiving around
the
I'm considering going camping on Lake Travis on the weekend before
Thanksgiving.  I'll probably be going around the Arkansas Bend area.
I would like information, if anyone has any, about bank-side fishing
near this location.  Also, please give me some kind of advice on what
to fish with--i.e., bait or lures.  To give you an idea of what I would
like to catch, I'd prefer catfishing first, followed by, just about, 
anything else.

I don't necessarily want someone's "secret" fishing hole, I just want a
place where I might catch something (anything).  Then again, I haven't
fished in so long that I don't even know if it's too cold to fish, or not.

Thanks in advance of any response,
Daryl Santos			Graduate Student
1247 Wardmont			Dept. of Industrial Engineering
Houston, TX  77037		University of Houston
713.445.9683			713.743.4186
				inde54q@jetson.uh.edu