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From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 12:42:18 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Tad Morgan (tmorgan@astro.as.arizona.edu) writes:

>In article <1ghap1INNso8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High) writes:
>>Why isn't it selling?  Well, I have a couple of thoughts on this:
>>
>>3)  Promotion.  IMHO, Antarctic needs to do some more promotion
>>  of Albedo and its other titles.
>
>One thing I've been wondering is if they've ever tried some promotion
>outside of comics circles?

Dear, *no* one does that!  It simply isn't *done*!

(Advertise Barbie comics in Barbie Magazine.  Sell Disney comics at Disney
theme parks.  Advertise science fiction comics in F&SF or Asimov's.  What a
*ludicrous* idea!  Heaven forbid that the comics should actually *sell*, not
to mention bring in *new* readers.)

------------------------------
                             |      Ron's eye was caught by a booth featuring a
Jim Drew                     | clothing catalog claiming to feature "The Look.
jrd@frame.com                | The Lifestyle."
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     Ron picked it up, and put it down just as
"Innocent, but not naive."   | fast.  "Not *my* look," he said.
B(2)h t c k s g+(p) rv p e   |     I had to agree.  "If that's the *look*, I'll
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | just take the feel."
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     Ron looked at me with arched eyebrows.
                             |     "I really have to watch what I say around
                             | you people, don't I?" I said, blushing.
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Awl's Fare"
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: castle@cs.dal.ca (JULIAN GUTHRIE CASTLE)
Subject: RE: MU Press
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:49:28 GMT

In article <1973.1024.uupcb@satalink.com>, ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) writes:

|> Critturs, A Very MU Christmas, and Desert Peach 18 were in the shops
|> here on Friday. Also: Space Wolf.

The titles of the MU Special conflicts with mine.
Who is publishing Space Wolf ??

list of comics released by one major distributor between
Dec 9 and Dec 11, 1992:

Antarctic
	Albedo 7

Dark Horse
	Fat Dog Mendoza
	Minotaur's Tale  (these 2 may or may not be furries)


Mu Press
	Blue Moon 2  (I think this is a furry)
	Critturs: Hairballs from Hell 1
	Desert Peach 18 (don't know why Ray considers it a furry)
		(warning: Desert Peach #18 is mostly text and has
		material from the play "Desert Peach" - Donna
		was too busy with the play to do a story with
		artwork I guess)
	Mu Holiday Special

NEC
	Man-Eating Cow #3  :) (put those chairs down .... ARRRGH)

Yours Sincerely,
	Julian Castle

////////
 o-o / o o o WOW!  What a complete and utter disregard for
  <  /             the meaning of 'sentence'
///////
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Where's the *discussion*?
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:41:16 GMT

Lately, alt.fan.furry has contained nothing but announcements and con
reports. There was a short thread on the origins of furries, but it died
out quickly and nobody even flamed me on my bizzarre genetics. What's
the matter? Has there been a new pogrom in fandom or something? Where's
the discussion, the furry fiction, the flames over Lesbian Foxes on
Hovertanks, the debate over whether Steve should have shown Erma licking
Rojigo clean...?

Speaking of which, I *really* liked that whole sequence. Now that looked
like a really stable and happy family. You'd never know that Erma was in
disgrace, there's a war heating up, society is falling apart, and everyone
was sure they were gonna be at each other's throats in no time.

Someone ought to send a copy to Charles and Di. :->
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi tnn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, tm ateria el viel.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: foxen@netcom.com (Foxen)
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Organization: Fuzzball Software and Graphic Arts
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:57:31 GMT

peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>
>Speaking of which, I *really* liked that whole sequence. Now that looked
>like a really stable and happy family. You'd never know that Erma was in
>disgrace, there's a war heating up, society is falling apart, and everyone
>was sure they were gonna be at each other's throats in no time.
>

Yeah, I like the New Albedo.  The characters have (*gasp*) lives now.  =)
It makes the stories oh so much more interesting than the old series, to me.

One thing bothers me, though... wasn't there some nasty rumor on here a
few months ago, implying that the publisher of Albedo and Galacci were at
odds over something or another, and the publisher would only be doing a
few more episodes?  (NOTE:  This is just a question, and as my memory is
horrendous, it might very well be that there WASN'T any such rumor.
Don't spread my mental hiccups about as rumors until someone who knows
more about the issue can verify, please.)

I'm curious, as I'd hate to see Albedo dissappear just when it's gotten
more interesting.

	- Foxen
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From: Darren.Hanson@f271.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: InFurNation Part1
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 17 Dec 92  01:40:00

Reply-To: john@ontek.com

Hi folks!

Well, once more, it's time for the electronic version of In-Fur-Nation,
and the ConFurence Progress Report.  The text of those will follow, along
with the basic con info (again).  If you have a membership (or were a
member in the past) you should have gotten the paper version fairly
recently.  If you have not, or if you just would like to be on our
mailing list, please drop me a note, and I'll add you to the database.

IMPORTANT NOTE!
---------------

There is an important change to the contact information this time around,
and I want to make sure everyone notices this.  Unfortunately, this did
*not* make it into the printed version of In-Fur-Nation, so until the
next one comes out (early January), this is the only notice you'll have
of this change.  *sigh*

The change is in our contact phone number.  We've had several people
remark on the difficulty of contacting us using the old number.  This
was due to a number of factors, and despite repeated efforts, the
situation did not improve sufficiently; therefore, we are instituting a
new contact phone number.  The new number is:

         (714) 530-4993
                   or
     (800) 234-8237

Both of these numbers will be answered by "Lantana Ltd."; don't worry
about that, just tell the person answering that you are calling for
ConFurence, and they will either answer your questions, or get someone
who can do so, or take a message.

Naturally, we would prefer it if you used the regular number, but just
in case that is not possible for some reason, the 800 number has been
provided- but PLEASE tell us that you are using it!  This is *very*
important, as the toll charges are nasty.  If you have lengthy business
to discuss, we will call you back instead of chewing up time on the 800
number.

JAS
--
John Alan Stanley      ConFurence Four Art Show Coordinator
john@ontek.com         _Touch_ Staff Member
..!uunet!ontek!john   "Why don't you go out and see what's out there?"
                       "Well, I don't know if that's what's out there!"

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From: john@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: In-Fur-Nation Volume 2 Number 3
Summary: Gee, thanks Tim...
Keywords: NOT
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:45:50 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.furry
Organization: Ontek Corporation -- Laguna Hills, California

In article <1992Dec16.074752.1505@news2.cis.umn.edu> avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
}Daniel J Mitchell (ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
}>In article <2199@ontek.com> john@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley) writes:
}>>Another sighting: Furry Fandom is among the fannish terms defined in
}>>Roberta Rogow's new book FutureSpeak, a dictionary of fannish acronyms
}>>and codewords from over the years.  Read it yourself and decide if the
}>>Furry definition is complementary or not... 
}
}Hm.  I wonder if they're going to list "Skunk F*ckers" in that same
}book...
}
}:-) !

:-P !  Nah, it wouldn't cute and fluffy enough... wait until you see
the definition they actually have.  Talk about clueless...

JAS

-- 
John Alan Stanley      ConFurence Four Art Show Coordinator
john@ontek.com         _Touch_ Staff Member
...!uunet!ontek!john   "Why don't you go out and see what's out there?"
                       "Well, I don't know if that's what's out there!"
From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: FAQ anywhere?
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 17 Dec 92  17:42:18

On <Dec 16 08:46>, Fuzzy Fox (fuzzy@netcom.com) wrote to All:

 FF>Somebody please repost the famous Dr. Pepper definition of furry 
 FF>fandom.
 FF>Then we can have something to discuss again.  :)

Not quite the same, but here's the bit I contributed to the first 
ConFurence program book on the subject:

How to explain furry fandom?  To whom, fans or non fans?  The latter 
usually don't require differentiation - all fandom is quite strange 
enough already.  To the former, then, I'd say simply that it's a 
perfectly natural outgrowth of sf fandom in general, which has always 
emphasized creativity and innovation for the fun of it.  Like to write 
and sing songs?  Try filksinging.  Like to make costumes?  Bring them 
to the convention and wear them around.  Like to write?  Publish your 
own fanzine, join an APA, write on computerized bulletin board systems 
or so on.  Like creating artwork?  Publish THAT in a fanzine, or just 
carry about a sketchbook at the local convention. Just like to talk?  
The conclave in the corner discussing the implications of anything 
from the newest discoveries in astrophysics to how many beercans you 
have to pile to reach the moon is a convention cliche.  Now every one 
of these also has a convention "serious" side to it; selling 
filkbooks, entering masquerades, selling fanzines, entering the art 
show, lecturing on panels and can even be a basis for a "real world" 
career - songwriting or singing, stage or movie costuming or clothing 
design, writing for professional publication, professional art design 
and lecturing, but all of these are in a sense secondary effects of 
the primary cause that fen like to do these things.

Furfen are fans (see above) who not only deal with two cultures on an 
almost daily basis (usually referred to as fandom and mundania), but 
enjoy inventing new angles of observation of the world, be it through 
the eyes of alien non-human sentients or through those of animals made 
sentient or even human/animal hybrids.  That is, a sort of 
sophontological version of the "what if" that forms the core of 
science fiction and most modern fantasy.  This fits into all of the 
above modes quite handily - singing furry filksongs, costuming ("how 
do you construct a ball gown for someone with thick fur, wings and a 
tail?"), writing fiction or poetry, artwork, and discussion, 
especially of the pick a character and converse as if you were that 
being variety.  Thus, furry fandom is not a "fringe" group as per the 
various societies based on specific creative expressions (a tv series, 
book or movie), but a deep rooted part of fandom itself.

----

This help?  :->

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From: Darren.Hanson@f271.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: ConFURence 4 minus 36 days and counting....
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 17 Dec 92  01:39:00

Reply-To: darren@ofa123.fidonet.org

At last months committee meeting I brought up the issue of getting
some regular information postings put up here. As our Art Show
Dirrector has the best internet access, he was supposed to be
placing copies of InFURnation (a regular newsletter for ConFURence
and Furry Fandom in general) here in electronic form. Imagine my
surprise when after not having seen any of his postings to date I
am informed that he's been making them all along! Obviously there
is a problem in one of the feeds somewhere. I appologise if you're
seeing the following four posts for the second time, but for those
who haven't seen them at all yet, here they are without further
ado....
__                 __
\/  Darren Hanson  \/

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From: bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 21:59:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



Re:  Richard Chandler and Beatrix pencils -

Yeah, I saw those pencils, too.  Except for the first page, they were
extremely sketchy.  Doesn't mean I have to like his treatment of
'em, however.  Taral would have been better off doing Taral - rather
than inking over Steve's work.

Just an opinion...

  - net.spy!
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Furry Terminology (was Re: FAQ anywhere?)
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:13:27 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Dec16.164618.9365@rei.com>, fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
> s0499528@let.rug.nl (R. Dijkhuis) writes:
> 
>>I've been skimming through this newsgroup for some time, and still haven't 
>>got much of a clue asto what is discussed here....
> 
> Somebody please repost the famous Dr. Pepper definition of furry fandom.
> Then we can have something to discuss again.  :)
> 

Well, just last night on the FurryMUCK I was talking with a few folks about
furrydom, furries, furry fandom, morphs, critters, recombs and a slew of other
terms, and we were trying vainly to "define" the terms amongst ourselves.  Now,
*that* should be an interesting discussion.  I'm sure it's been discussed time
and time again, but not necessarily to my satisfaction.  =,

What is a furry?  What is furrydom?  What is furry fandom?  I'm inclined to
think that there is no one "right" definition to these, because it appears
that, depending upon the context, these are used in a variety of ways.  For
instance, it seems that "furry" is a term used to describe not only fictional
anthropomorphized animal characters who usually have rather human-like
anatomies and personalities, but also seems to be a shorthand term to refer to
"furry fans" as well.

Okay, so my observations are not particularly insightful -- I'd just be curious
to see how different folks define these terms.  =)
-- 
-Jordan            ..      PEACOCK5293@iscsvax.uni.edu
                  .OO.     Jordan Peacock (Jordan Greywolf)
                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
                   --                      Cedar Falls, IA  50613
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Organization: Foxes 'R' Us - Seven locations to serve you
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:11:56 GMT

avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:

>Yes, it is the _writing_ that is ALBEDO's biggest problem.  Or, more
>importantly, the STORY, of which there is little or none.

I'll second this notion.  Political struggles have never really
interested me, and so practically the only reason that I follow Albedo
is because I love Steve's art so much.  If the art quality dropped, I
would probalby drop Albedo.  It is sometimes a chore to read.

-- 
#ifdef TRUE         | Fuzzy Fox                  fuzzy@netcom.com
#define  TRUE   0   | a.k.a. David DeSimone      an207@cleveland.freenet.edu
#define  FALSE  1   | "You have been recruited by the Star League to defend
#endif              |    the Frontier against Xur and the Kodan Armada."
From: bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:30:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Foxen - (re:  dropping Albedo) -

Those differences were worked out a little while ago.  Ben's 
  position is this:  he'll continue publishing Albedo as long as
  (1) it has a circulation above 2000 (which it does) and
  (2) Steve continues to get his stories in on time (which he has,
  though only barely).

After Albedo #8, there will be an Albedo Color Special, then 
  another 8 issues of Albedo.  After that, who knows?  It's up to
  Steve.

Cheers,
  - net.spy!
From: bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: RE: MU Press
Date: 14 Dec 1992 06:27:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Correction to Ray Rooney's message:

Space Wolf #1 is indeed out (hit the stands a couple weeks ago),
  but from Antarctic, not MU.

Also from Antarctic, out last week:  Albedo #7.

Coming up in two weeks:  Furrlough #6.

Coming up in January:  Golddigger #3 and Wild Life #1.

Cheers,
  - net.spy!  (that Antarctic guy)
From: ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Daniel J Mitchell)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Amy animations
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:19:49 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Service, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford, U
Originator: ke94002@black


 I've converted the Amy animations recently uploaded to tezuka to .fli 
format, and reuploaded those; to save bandwidth, just look in amyzips.txt --
that's got the info as to what's what. 

--
Daniel Mitchell == ke94002@ox.ac.uk == Fenthe Marten == bi furry juggler
From: niall@kavishar.umd.edu (SERVAL)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Albedo 7
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:26:19 GMT
Reply-To: niall@kavishar.umd.edu
Organization: A Safe Haven For Wolves

Albedo 7 has just hit the stands.  Don't miss it, it has new troubles
and tribulations bubbling, and will form the basis for a whole lot of
complicated issues, methinks..  :)  I do hope it's not the last of Toki we'll
see.  Maybe he'll make Yet Another Subplot (tm) with her..  *grin*
 
The back-up is again Gallacci-related, and I'll admit I'm beginning to
really like that.  This time, a Beatrix farmer story (rated PG, don't worry)
written by SAG, and drawn by Taral Wayne.  Interesting mix..  (And fun, as
the latest Bestiary has Gallacci doing a Wayne character..  Nice reversal.)
 
 
Aside from that, yes, Space Wolf is out, so it A Veyr MU Christmas, containing
a great Peach story, and a nice Shanda story too.  And a one-page Critturs.
The one-shot Critturs is also out - and if you've been wondering just what
in whoever's name those little furrballs that have appeared for a few years
now in lettercols (Usagi, Critters I think too) are, this answers all your
questions.  And THEN some.  Not for the faint of heart.  (More in my review..)
 
No word on Furkindred 2..   Shanda is moving to Antarctic, but I don't
know if there's going to be a number 2 from MU or not..  Matt?  You know
about this?
 
--Serval
  niall@kavishar.umd.edu
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:49:33 GMT
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <1992Dec19.061156.29272@netcom.com> fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
> avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
> >Yes, it is the _writing_ that is ALBEDO's biggest problem.  Or, more
> >importantly, the STORY, of which there is little or none.

> I'll second this notion.  Political struggles have never really
> interested me,

Some people have the same opinion of Desperate Battles To The Bitter End
issue after issue after issue...
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi t dn d dn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, t dm d ateria el d d viel d.
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:13:33 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Dec19.005400.24689@news2.cis.umn.edu>, avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
> Peter da Silva (peter@NeoSoft.com) wrote:
>>In article <1992Dec16.080122.1657@news2.cis.umn.edu> avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
>>> Steve's been doing ALBEDO for almost 10 years.  He should have figured out
>>> how to promote it by now...
>>
>>How so? AT&T has been trying to get into the computer business longer than
>>that, and still hasn't figured it out. And they've got people whose JOB is
>>simply marketing...
> 
> Maybe--just _maybe_--AT&T makes computers that nobody wants to buy...
> 
> NAAAH!  That CAN'T be it.
> 
> Likewise, maybe--just _maybe_--the problems with ALBEDO stem from factors
> _other_ than how the book has or has not been promoted.

Normally I'm inclined to try to disagree with Timothy Fay just because his
particular snide commentary annoys me (yet when I'm snide I don't annoy myself. 
So I'm hypocritical...), but after I went to my local comics shop and one of
the guys produced an issue of Albedo (#7) that he had dredged up, I was quite
happy to see that they'd actually carried it, but next day I went back and let
them know that, although I really appreciated their effort in securing the
comic, I sincerely doubted it would be a seller -- *I* certainly wouldn't be
wasting money on it.

Albedo #7 was boring.  Incidentally, I haven't seen much of Taral Wayne's work
aside from some pix in Bestiary, and I liked what he did in Albedo far more
than what I saw in Bestiary.  But, the main attraction was, of course, Erma
Felna of the EDF.  Boring.  When does it stop being a comic book and start
being an illustrated serialized story?  It's not just talking heads -- It's
a few heads lost in a sea of caption balloons!  The first two pages (okay,
so I'm including the editorial page) were all text.  Also, the little political
comment in the first paragraph was a bit annoying to me:  I've heard plenty
about how wonderful the election was, thank yew.  I don't expect any sympathy
for my political views, but it just kinda rubs me the wrong way when statements
like that are thrown in, as if the editor is just *assuming* that all of his
readership agrees with him.  

Anyway, that was only a single sentence.  Small potatoes.  The big problem was
that Albedo was largely uninteresting.  I certainly don't feel compelled to go
out and spend even $2.50 on it.
-- 
-Jordan            ..      PEACOCK5293@iscsvax.uni.edu
                  .OO.     Jordan Peacock (Jordan Greywolf)
                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
                   --                      Cedar Falls, IA  50613
From: dark@microsoft.com (Dar Korra'ti)
Subject: Re: MU Press
Date: 13 Dec 92 21:08:09 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <553800004@peg.pegasus.oz.au> lainem@peg.pegasus.oz.au writes:
>Another sort of furry
>publication due out in November was "Critturs: Hairballs from Hell".
     This one made it, more or less - I saw a copy on December 5th. It
could have been out for days at that point.
                                                  - R'ykandar.

--
R'ykandar Korra'ti | LOW ORBIT PUBLICATIONS
dark@microsoft.com | Update 1.1 is mostly ready.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: unicorn@atheling.demon.co.uk (Unicorn)