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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:43:36 MST
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Subject:      Principles of Interpretation?

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>From: ddavis@cass.ma02.bull.com (Dave Davis)
>Subject: Principles of Interpretation?
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>Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:31:37 GMT

I'm looking for a short list (I'll go to the library later, thanks)
of principles that folks have found useful for biblical interpretation.

For instance, the Reformers
contributed the principle 'let Scripture interpret Scripture'
which is nice, I suppose, but pragmatically not very useful in
talking with skeptics; nor is the sense of such a principle
immediately obvious (as a principle, it itself requires interpretation!)

I'm aware of (through the Brittanica article 'Biblical Literature')
Hillel's 7 principles; these don't appear very useful to me either
(ex: 'let the greater explain the less, and vice versa'- this
covers a multitude of hermeneutical sins, I'm sure! :-) ).

So, what sort of principles are people aware of? What helps one
determine, for instance, that verse A. ('women should cover
their heads in church') is peripheral but verse B. ('in Jesus
Christ there is neither male nor female') is crucial? Should
I read let A. interpret B or let B interpret A, or what?

Thanks


Dave Davis, ddavis@ma30.bull.com
These are my opinions & activities alone

QOTD:


 Te totum applica ad textum;
 rem totam applica ad te.
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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Safety of the "Pill"..

Ok... I've seen some stuff on here that's kind of contradictory to what
I've been told about the "Pill".  I'm one of those people who was
told that being "on the pill" would aid in the regulation of my cycle,
so......... I've been taking them for quite some time.
Sure, there are the risks of Heart attack, but the risk is minimal to
someone - like me, who isn't a smoker.  IF you smoke, and are on the
Pill at the same time, you risk is greater.  As far as AIDS and the Pill
are concerned, I have always felt that it's best to  use the Pill as
a safety measure against other STD's...which is good, but a young lady
can still get AIDS.   The Pill and PID????  It's documented that the
Pill REDUCES chances of this STD.  Also, It's documented that the Pill
REDUCES the risk of uterine and cervical cancer in women.  OF course,
it helps if she takes great care of herself.
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used to taking the Pill for medical reasons, that I could shed some light
on the subject.
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:30:28 EST
From:         Lon Mendelsohn <LMENDELS@CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU>
Subject:      Some perspective...

Several nights a week in my family, we read from RC Sproul's _Tabletalk_
devotional magazine.  In view of the profound changes which we have seen
over the past few years in the world political scene and the changes
those of us who live in the U.S. have experienced as a result of the
recent elections, I found the following material from tonight's reading
to very helpful:

  The end of the Cold War did not bring an end to history after all,
  and pundits have been analyzing the past year to find a "defining
  moment."  Paul gives us a better hope, for he glories in Christ
  as the meaning and Lord of history.  War, famine, earthquakes,
  genocide, abortion are not just the convulsions of a ravaged
  planet rushing toward doom.  They are contained and overcome
  in God's master plan to bring good out of evil and eternal life
  out of death.
    -- Edmund P. Clowney, "The Mystery of God's Will."
         _Tabletalk_, 17(1):47-48, January 1993.

Often we tend to forget that God really is in control of the destinies
of human beings and the nations.  Statements such as this give us
needed perspective on the events of our time.

Shalom,

Lon Mendelsohn
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:34:23 CST
From:         Anthony Glen Jeffries <jeffries@IASTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS
              <01GTXMGCROXE99DJVG@asu.edu>

> On Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:49:00 +0000 <ga921008@MCIS.MESSIAH.EDU> said:
> >Michelle:
> >
> >Here is a short rundown of the more serious heresies of LDS:
> (Everything else deleted)
>
> What is LDS?

It is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, otherwise known as the
Mormon church.  Note (from earlier posts) that it is *not* Christian.

Flames may be addressed to /dev/null.

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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:19:20 -0500
From:         John Violette <violette@APXTG03.APEX.DG.COM>
Subject: Re: Ten Commandments.

>
> I think it should be pointed out that it does not make any difference
> whether the Ten Commandments are commands or suggestions, they are not
> applicable to the New Covenant Christian.  In 2 Cor. 3, Paul calls them a

What about II Timothy 3:16,17? "ALL Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for
teaching, rebuking, correcting and trainging in righteousness, so that the man
of Godmay be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (NIV).  The commandments
show us how far short we all come to what God commands of us thereby pointing
us to Christ.

> be good for us to remember that the OT law is a dead issue, not meaningful
> to us except as it shows us we are dead in our sins.  It has no power to
> save, nor to keep saved, nor to prepare us for heaven, nor for anything at
> all except as I just noted.

If what you are saying is that the law reveals to us that we are all sinners,
and that no one by keeping the law alone is worthy of salvation.  I don't think
that there was much documentation except a few letters in Timothy's time for
the church to work with.  They had the law, and the teachings of the Apostles.
 It seems to me that for every principle found in the new testament, there is an
illustration in the old testament.

James calls God's Word a mirror, it reveals our true nature to ourself.  Jesus
endorses the law, I think someone else mentioned the story of the rich young man
 Jesus also said in Luke 22:33 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words
will never pass away." (NIV).

God gave the commandments to the Israelites to give them rules for Godly
 living.With all the immoral things and practices that were going on in the land
 of
Canaan, observing the law would set them apart from those around them.  Today,
by observing the law, we also set ourselves apart from those around us.  The law
 is Gods standard of living, Gods moral values, something for us to shoot for.
 But we know we cannot keep the law and by the grace of God through the
shedding of Christ blood, we are forgiven.  The law shows us what is necessary
to be righteous in God's eyes.  Christ came and was baptised to fulfill all
righteousness.  If we are to follow Christ example, and Christ followed the
 law,then we too are to follow the law.

John <><

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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:38:46 CST
From:         JRALLS@TRINITY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Feeling old (was Re: Segregated churches)

On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:00:46 -0500 Michael A. Kline said:
>I was in 7th grade when Kenedy was shot...

So was I, Michael. (Seems like we've been through this age thing at
least once before since I've been subscribing to Christia 8-{)

The Mon. after Kennedy was shot was a national day of mourning, and
there was no school. I had spent a great deal of time in front of the
television over the weekend,  and on Mon. I went outside to play with
some of the neighbor kids. We were running around and I guess making alot
of noise. I remember my mom coming to the door and sternly telling us to
be quiet because this was a day of mourning. Somehow I can't imagine that
happening these days...
JoEllen

JoEllen Ralls                       Jralls@trinity (Bitnet)
Elizabeth Coates Maddux Library     Jralls@trinity.edu (Internet)
Trinity University                  so many books,
San Antonio, Texas                          so little time...
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:20:49 MST
From:         Usenet/Netnews Moderator <FOCMCB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      God Recognizing Marriage

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>From: anb1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANDREW N. BRIMER)
>Subject: God Recognizing Marriage
>Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:34:44 GMT
>Organization: Lehigh University

I am working on a study and I need some help on the marriages in the Bible.
Specifically I want to know what the ceremony was like, if there was one at
all.  How did God recognize people as being married?  Was it the act of
intercourse?

Thanks for your help.
Andy
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From:         Dick Smith <RSMITH@UWF.BITNET>
Subject: RE: Curriculum information on PHYS-L

Lou Bedell <PHBEDELL@MERLIN.NLU.EDU> writes:
>folders with messages with common threads. If someone could tell me how to
>process these messages to be archived, I could put some of these on the PHYS-L
>LIST.

There are no rules on how it "ought" to be done.  If Lou (or anyone else) has a
collection of entries that conceiveably might be useful to someone else, just
assemble them in a file and send them to me, and I'll put them up on PHYSICS
FILELIST.

>
>Also how do you use the database search utility?  Can I search for messages in
>the present PHYS-L archives for key words _in_individual_messages?  Or is the
>search limited to subject line contents?

The LDBASE facility is one of the most powerful, but least used, features of
Listserv.  You can get an introduction to this facility by sending the
following to LISTSERV@UWF:  GET LDBASE INTRO

For example, if you want to collect together all the individual messages to
PHYS-L which have the phrase  "CDROM" in them, but you want only those which
were sent in 1991 and 1992, the LDBASE command is

     SEARCH CDROM IN PHYS-L SINCE 1991

and what you get back is a list of single-line entries marking all the messages
that meet that criteria. Maybe there are 100 such entries and you decide you
want to narrow the existing list down by further specifying that you're
interested only in those from (F) XYZ@PLACE.  So you enter

     SEARCH WHERE F CONTAINS XYZ@PLACE

So your list is cut down to 10 entries.  You command SENDBACK PRINT and you
receive a file which contains the text of all ten of those entries.  Slick.

These commands work on any Listserv, so if you subscribe to MAC-L for Mac users
and you want all the discussion on viruses for the last year, you just ask and
you'll be given.


            Dick Smith
            Department of Physics
            The University of West Florida
            Pensacola, FL 32514      (904) 474-2269
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From: MRATCLIF@UGA.BITNET (Marissa Ratcliff)
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Subject: Re: Mormon/LDS
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:14:19 GMT
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              26 Jan 1993 00:21:38 +0000 from <gjm11@CUS.CAM.AC.UK>

Dear Gareth,

   The part of your post about polygamy brought this question to my mind:
When did monogamous marriages become the norm in the Jewish and Christian faith
s?  Some of the older characters of the Bible had more than one wife and some h
ad concubines.
   Monogamy has become such an important part of our relationships. I was just
wondering when it became that way.



Marissa Ratcliff             Document Delivery
University of GA             Science Library
Athens, GA
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:07:21 CST
From:         Russ Neumeier <russn@SSEC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Christian Seeking correspondence!
              Jan 26, 93 5:26 pm

>
> Hello everybody...
>
> I am a Christian here in Exeter University in England, and I am
> trying to get in touch with Christians from anywhere, to share with
> and to correspond with.
>
> Anyone interested?
>
> Yours,
>
> Alex.
> :-)
> --
> Alexander Lee.  E100, Brendon, Birks, New North Road, Exeter, Devon EX4 4PH
>       Tel: 0392 55719 or 423850.  E-mail:  st92ajml@uk.ac.ex.cen
>
>        * * * * If God is for us, who can be against us? * * * *
>
Hi Alex,

Well, I saw your request for correspondence and decided to drop you a
line.

To start, I'll tell you a little about myself:  I live in Madison, Wisconsin
and have a degree in Meteorology.  I use this degree while testing computer
software that can be used to forecast the weather.  I've been married for
a year and a half, and in about 9 weeks I'll be a dad!  Outside of work,
I'm a leader in my church's youth group, am involved in a small-group
Bible study, and enjoy contemporary Christian music.

The church I've been attending for the past five years has it's beginnings
as a Baptist church, but has really shifted to become an interdenominational
church.  As for myself, I became a Christian about six and a half years
ago.

My mom is from Scotland, and her parents live in Oadby (near Leicester).
The last time I was in Britain was in 1985, but I would gladly visit
anytime (or at least when I could afford the air fare...:-)

Well, I look forward to hearing from you.  By the way, where is Exeter
University located -- in relation to London?

Take care and God bless!

Russ
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:51:36 -0600
From:         t <U59919@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: KJV

On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:49:50 MST Usenet/Netnews Moderator said:
>
>Sorry to correct Theodore but the New World Translation was done by the
>Jehovah Witnesses not by the Mormon's (who use the KJV + the book of Mormon).
>I still agree about avoiding the NWT due to extremely badly biased
>translation.
>
>Peter D
I again thank everyone for correcting me on my error.
Again, I am only human, and thus natrually prone to mistakes.
At least we all agree that the NWT should _NOT_ be used.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:21:57 -0500
From:         John Violette <violette@APXTG03.APEX.DG.COM>
Subject:      10 commandments

 Lauren Crawford writes:

very important to keep sex within the bounds of marriage, not because of
AIDS or even pregnancy but because God asks us to.  Since He created us,

In the January 21st section of 'Our Daily Bread' the writer talked about the
10 commandments.  Then at the bottom of the page it said like "God gave the 10
commandments, not the 10 suggestions."

I thought that was a good one to remember.

John <><

ps-anyone watch 'Street Stories' last night about the former Soviet Union and
the church?
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:46:18 -0600
From:         jesse carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      David Talaga, I presume!

Dear Dave ;

Sorry about the public post ... but I cannot get through to you at your address
or at Pexton's.  What's the deal?  ?Mucho problemo?

Like my patience with this hardware consistency is basically  -(


Sheesh!

Jesso
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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 18:30:14 EST
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From:         Tim King <timk@YCRDI.COM>
Subject:      Re: HUH?

Greg Aist wrote:

> It does matter what translation a person uses.  For example, the Jehovah's
> Witnesses translate the beginning of John as:
>
>   "In the beginning there was the Word, and the Word was with God,
>    and the word was a god."

. . . [as opposed to "... and the word was God."]

> Both translations are grammatically accurate, since Greek has no
> indefinite article ('a' or 'an')...


Inicidentally, I've been told that Greek scholars agree unanimously
that the JW's translation is incorrect.  If the writer meant to say
"a god," there is a much more appropriate word he should've used.
The word he used for "God," implies the traditional translation.

There are many acceptable translations, which do portray the original
text in an accurate manner.  These include KJV, NKJV, ASV, NASV, RSV,
and many others.  Among these translations, use one that you're
comfortable with and that meets your needs.  (Usually, for study,
it's best to use several translations of different types, i.e., one
literal, one free, one dynamic equivalence.)

G'Day!
-TimK

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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:54:05 -0500
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Question
              23 Jan 1993 12:41:00 EST from <BROW3341@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>

There was some confusion about CONCHR-L. You are *NOT* automatically
added to it. I had simply sent the portion of the list that told me
I was added as "proof" to it's existance.

Sorry for the confusion.

If you do want to be on the list, you will have to send a
      "SUB CONCHR-L Your Name" to LISTSERV at TEMPLEVM"

Last count there were some 22 members. I think Luis told me that he
had requests for several more.

Maks
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:10:07 -0600
From:         Theodore Penn <U59919@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      A thought

My mother say this the other day, so she got me a copy of it...

"Lord, should I grieve because the rose bush has thorns...
 or rejoice because the thorn bush has roses?"
 -Anonymous

I don't know who this guy Anonymous is, but he sure writes a lot.
(I'm trying to be funny.)

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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:01:51 -0500
From:         BENSON@POKVMCR3.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      Re: Ten Commandments.

From: S. Michael Benson  -POKVMCR3(BENSON)  IBMMAIL(USIB4B43)
                         -benson@pokvmcr3.vnet.ibm.com
                         -MVS System Services Design

"Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE%VDH.BITNET@asu.edu> says
>"Lord, when did we see you hungry and not feed you?" "In as much as you have
>not done it unto the least of these..." Granted, the Bible doesn't mention
>abortion. I don't even think it mentions specifically the slaughter of the
>innocent, but I wonder...

"Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering
toward slaughter.  If you say, "But we knew nothing about this,"
does not He who weighs the heart perceive it?  Does not He who
guards your life know it?  Will He not repay each person according
to what he has done?"  Proverbs 24:11,12

I have heard this used as a call to action against abortion.

                                                              .
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:02:42 -0500
From:         Bernice Tennant <U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Miracles
              BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU

Brenda,

       You are so right.  Life itself is a miracle.  God gives us miracles.
                       Everything we have, is given from God.

       But someday we will see miracles that are not from God.  And we must
question them.  If not for God, even the elect would be tempted away.
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