HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Toxicology book review
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:55:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.091724.27347@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo) writes:

   >I had two theories: 1) sticky, the THC is just produced for the simple
   >fact that it is sticky and helps catch the male'plants products, and

Nice try, but THC itself isn't sticky.  The resin that contains TCH is
sticky.

   >2) its for humans to spread its seeds.  

But that would have to be a design of God, and if it were a design of
God then George Bush and the DEA wouldn't be against it.  For that
matter, since the plant itself must be a design of God, and George
Bush is against it, then:

1) There is no God
     or
2) George Bush is wrong
     or
3) All of the above

Gee, that can't be right, I must not be thinking too clearly.  Drugs
must have ruint my brain.  I guess I'll go have a drink.  Georgie and
the DEA approve of alcohol.
From: RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD and some relatives.
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:52:04 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories


In article <23AUG199202394455@rosie.uh.edu> st1el@rosie.uh.edu (Jensen, 
Douglas J.) writes:

> Tried "shrooms" for the first time a week ago.  They were nice, but they 
lacked
> two important things that LSD has...  
> 
> 1]  "Loss of Ego Boundaries"
> 2]  Super-duper-zowie insight.
> 
> If these were the two MAIN effects I was after from tripping, am I best 
to stick
> with LSD?

Dosage. Dosage, dosage dosage. From what I've heard and read of magic 
mushrooms (and I guess most psychoactives) is that the effects are highly 
variable dependent upon the amount of the main compound (here, psilocybin) 
ingested. Because you are dealing with a very complex living organism, the 
number of factors involved makes it a bit difficult to predict exactly 
what effects will be manifested, but generally if you take a small 
quantity, the trip tends to enhance the senses without distortion, i.e., 
greater visual and aural acuity, better edge- and motion- detection, and a 
heightened awareness of space and your place within it. At higher dosages 
there is a qualitative as well as a quantitative difference in the trip; 
objects start to take on 'meaning' and sensory input becomes an end unto 
itself, not just raw data to be processed, but sights and sounds to be 
savored. Life becomes incredibly sensual, and your focus moves inward AND 
outward. At what Terence McKenna calls a 'heroic dose' (I love that 
phrase!) the focus is all outward, and the ego, that thin shell of 
self-delusion, is no more, and at this point the greater truths start 
rolling in like a bunch of insane bikers with PhD's.

Be smart,
Be careful,
and practice, practice, practice (and post results)!

Surfe momentum,

                     Rob

Rob Robertson
GTE Laboratories          (617)466-4144 vox
40 Sylvan Rd.                (617)890-9320 fax
Waltham, Mass. 02254
"There is nothing new under the sun..."
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From: RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: The Biggest Cause of Street Crime
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:09:03 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: GTE Laboratories


In article <5ygn4gd.feustel@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) 
writes:

> Despite the  radical differences  between the Republican and
> Democratic platforms,  both parties  still agree  on  taking
> ever more  drastic measures  to fight  crime.  Neither party
> will admit  this truth: that the War on Drugs is in fact the
> major cause  of street crime in the U.S. Today.  Most of the
> crime which  people are upset about today comes not from the
> use of drugs, but from the consequences of the War on Drugs:
> gangs fighting  turf battles  over drug  sales  territories,
> people stealing  to support  expensive drug  habits, out-of-
> control SWAT  teams and  corrupt law  enforement  officials.
> Very little  street crime  is  committed  by  people  simply
> because they have taken drugs(alcohol excepted).
> The major  premise that  drugs are  dangerous to  society is
> propaganda, not  fact. How  many people  trumpeting the need
> for ever  tougher measures  to fight  drug crimes  have  any
> knowledge  whatsoever   of  the  documented  pharmacological
> effects of  the drugs they denounce so vehemently? Given the
> epidemic of drug use in the U.S. today, why are there so few
> deaths from  consumption of  illegal drugs  reported?    The
> relatively benign effects of currently illegal drugs and the
> political motivation  behind the history of the War on Drugs
> is thoroughly  documented from  mostly government sources in
> Richard  Miller's   book  The   Case  for  Legalizing  Drugs
> (Praeger,1991).

This point has been made many times here on the net, and it needs to be 
made many more times. Bit by bit I hear of some politicians, judges, media 
types and just plain common folk coming to the same conclusion, or at 
least finally vocalizing this notion that the War on Drugs is a war on 
American people.

As an aside, isn't it interesting that despite the millions of dollars 
spent on the WoD, drugs such as crack, coke, and heroin ( which to my mind 
are a collosal waste of time, money, and life) are easily available, and 
psychoactives such as LSD, mescaline, psilocybin mushrooms, etc... which 
may play some role in human development on both a personal and societal 
level are so much more difficult to come by.

And before anyone starts in with their stories about how easy it is to 
find ______, please understand that I'm WAY out of the drug loop and have 
been for many years. I'm sure 'cid is around Boston somewhere, I just have 
no idea where. Crack, however, seems to be everywhere I look. I do support 
the current regime's mandated diet of nicotine and alcohol, however.

As Paul Newman once said, "I got my mind right, boss".

Good post, Dave.

Rob

Rob Robertson
GTE Laboratories          (617)466-4144 vox
40 Sylvan Rd.                (617)890-9320 fax
Waltham, Mass. 02254
Disclaimer: Would you take advice from a manic-depressive polemicist with reluctant-messiah tendencies? Me neither!
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo)
Subject: Re: Toxicology book review
Organization: Twilight-Zone-Algorithms-Incorporated
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:17:24 GMT

In article <1734@ceylon.gte.com> RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson) writes:
>But really, my question is, has anyone actually determined the true 
>function of THC in the hemp plant? Is seems like a pretty strange compound 
>to create just to keep from being eaten. 

I had two theories: 1) sticky, the THC is just produced for the simple
fact that it is sticky and helps catch the male'plants products, and
2) its for humans to spread its seeds.  

I'd be more likely to go with 2).  I mean, if a plant wants to spread
its seeds as far and wide as possible (ok, i'm making an asumption on
the "meaning of life" in our chlorophyl friends), what better a
creature to exploit than man?  I mean, I haven't heard of any cows
getting to the moon (other than jumping over it i mean).

Ok, a little far fletched, but I figure if the plant makes my life
better, and helps me with my "meaning of life" problems, so should I
return the favor.


>...Could this also be extended to 
>psilocybin?....
>but the notion of sending a rodent to Hell and back for his transgression 
>does have a certain charm.

mouse eats shrooms.   mouse trips.  mouse gets mega-paranoid. mouse runs
like hell a large distance away from the shroom.  mouse shits himself
from running so far and hard.  spores survived the acidic nightmare of
rodent intestines.  like the cycle so far?

--gaspo.


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From: jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Parker)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: hallucinogenic/pseudo-spiritual drugs
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:00:00 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC

In article <1992Aug23.074307.1230@pellns.alleg.edu>, kougham@pell4l11.alleg.edu (Michael Koughhan) writes...
>I have found that if one sits around long enough in one area, and really  
>just examines one's mind, one's surroundings and possibly one's own brain  
>and body slip into an altered state of mind quite similar to  
>LSD/mushrooms.  The more this is done, the quicker one can slip into these  
>states and they have no limits.  This is not a campaign for the war  
>against drugs or any bullshit of that sort, just an observation.  Anyone  
>else ever do this?
> 

I've been w/people that almost swear by that. Another thing along those lines
is something a FOAF calls "Re-hab'ing", for some odd reason (maybe because
people in drug treatment can do this). (1) Hyper-ventilate till you almost pass
out, either (2a) stand up, w/arms crossed over chest, w/someone behind you
giving you a bear hug, or (2b) sit cross-legged, and stick your pointer finger
in your mouth and try to push all the air in your lungs out your mouth, w/mouth
closed. The effects are nothing but a low-grade oxygen rush of some sort (?).
It kinda feels like a cannabyss knife/elevator hit. Has anyone else been
exposed to anything of this sort? (Maybe it should be put in the legal highs
FAQ) :)

-Chris Parker
> 
>Choose a "path with heart".
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From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Fort Wayne: Landlords Must Evict Drug-Dealing Tenants
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:59:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.=0an3_r.feustel
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting

August 25, 1992

The Fort Wayne, IN.  City Council is voting tonight on an ordinance
providing for fines to be levied against landlords who do not evict
tenants after the city sends the landlord a letter asserting that drugs
are being sold in said tenants' apartment. The amount of the proposed
fines is to range from $500 to $2500/day.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
( New .sig under construction. Watch this space! )
From: scotc.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: DMT
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:03:18 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

I am doing some research for school, what is the most frequently used
source of DMT for people in the United States?
                 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr)
Subject: Onset Timing of Hallucinogens
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 08:33:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


I've been wondering what the relationship of chemical structure and
method of ingestion is to the onset rate of the various
hallucinogens.  For instance, DMT has this killer reptutation in
part because of the rapid onset of effects experienced by most
users.  Yet isn't this more due to the fact that it is normally
smoked or snorted than ingested orally, and that when it is
ingested orally in ayahuasca the onset seems to be delayed and
gradual as with LSD or psilocybin.  If either of these could be
ingested in such a way as to rapidly insinuate itself in the
bloodstream, would you get the same instant slam of hallucinations
as with DMT?  Or is this rapid onset one of the inherent attributes
of DMT?

I flipped back through Hofmann and my other sources and could find
no reference to LSD being administered in this way.  Yet I seem to
remember that in some of those horrific CIA experiments they were
injecting people with LSD.  Is this right?  Is there any reason LSD
wouldn't be active if administered intravenously?  Could you,
theoretically, ingest LSD nasally as the substituent of an aerosol?

I'd ask the same question of psilocybin except that I know it has
to be converted into psilocin to be psychoactive and this normally
occurs in your gut when you ingest it orally.  Yet if you had
isolated psilocin, theoretically, would you get a rapid onset of
effects if you administered it intravenously?

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From: mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.politics.marrou,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Crime and drug legalization
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:11:26 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Sep1.043801.19904@access.digex.com> backpack@access.digex.com (Stuart Reges) writes:
>I don't believe that smoking and tattoos cause people to become criminals.
>Similarly, if we're going to outlaw drugs that cause people to become violent,
>we should outlaw alcohol along with the other "violent" drugs and legalize the
>"peaceful" (loving?)  drugs like marijuana, shrooms, LSD, ecstasy, MDA, etc.
>Can't you see it now?  The Partnership for a VIOLENT-Drug Free America does a
>commercial showing the violent, antisocial behavior of misfits who smoke
>crack, shoot up heroin, or drink alcohol, and then they show the happy, loving
>behavior of those who smoke pot, drop acid, and rave on ecstasy.

One small correction -- heroin tends to make the user less aggressive,
not more.

-- 
Michael Wang
mmwang@mv.us.adobe.com
From: guy.smiley@sesame.st.com
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Oh, shit !!! (Was: Speed and alcohol long term use effects question.)
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:42:04 GMT


       As you may have noticed, the same message has appeared more than
       once. Sorry about this. I guess a kill file is the best
       solution. I'm afraid I used an unfamiliar tool with the obvious
       consequences.

       I hope that nobody has been overly inconvenienced. The sooner my
       Fornit comes back the better.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Cannibaderm, anyone?
From: RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson)
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:39:30 GMT
 <1992Aug27.110926.907@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> <2A9CEAB3.6336@ics.uci.edu>
Organization: GTE Laboratories


In article <2A9CEAB3.6336@ics.uci.edu> honig@aster.ics.uci.edu (David A. 
Honig) writes:

> But they are synergistic, though as always, one should remember that
> ethanol is an addictive toxic, carcinogenic, teratogenic gastric 
irritant.

Gee, you make it sound like a bad thing.

I don't mean to give you a hard time. It's just the thought of those poor 
little spurned housecats watching you dance with motion sensors, wistfully 
thinking "that used to be me...".

Heartless bastard.
 

Rob "sympathizes with housecats" Robertson
GTE Laboratories          (617)466-4144 vox
40 Sylvan Rd.                (617)890-9320 fax
Waltham, Mass. 02254
"There is nothing new under the sun..."
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Effadrine hydrochloride
Date: 30 Aug 92 19:31:42 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Aug30.145222.24664@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>>_TOPICAL_ decongestants (nasal sprays and drops) can cause chronic nasal
>>stuffiness if they're used to excess over a period of time.  Oral
>decongestants and bronchodilators do not have this side effect.
>
>Does this effect stop when use of the sprays stops?

Not right away, but eventually.  However, you have to put up with a
VERY stuffy nose for several weeks until things get back to normal.
This is why people become "addicted" to nose drops and nasal sprays
in the first place--they can't keep their nose clear without their use.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (technobabblist, m.d.)
Subject: Re: Timothy Leary on Comedy Central
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:59:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.220548.19902@bradley.bradley.edu>
pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes: 
|
|The original poster started his post with a quote from the Moody Blues
|song "Timothy Leary".  It was unclear for certain which of these two
|songs he was talking about, but the quote seemed to indicate it instead
|of the Beatles campaign song.

Yeah, my fault - guess it is a Moody Blues song....I have always
thought it was a Beatles song.....Anyway...sorry....(I was *born* in
1973, so sue me...:)...Anyway, cool song....Cool commercial...cool
guy...so let it be... :)

|-- 
|Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
|   This is a chain letter.  Within the next fifty-five days you will receive
|                    thirty-eleven hundred pounds of chains!


--
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From: lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: [anonymous] Drug Testing -- NEED REFERENCES!
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:34:57 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

THIS IS A ONE SHOT DEAL! -- please don't send me any more anonymous
posts -- I'm working on an automatic anonymous poster that works through
cupid.sai.com and should be up in a few days.

Please DO send me responses to forward to this guy...    

------- anonymous post --------

Lamont, could I ask you to post this anonymously on alt.drugs and
talk.politics.drugs for me, and to pass along replies?  I don't 
want to publicize the name of my employer, and to post it under 
my own name would risk doing that... but I do need to get the 
information.

I'm going out for a few days' vacation... either post it or not,
as you see fit.  I'll be in touch with you when I get back next
Monday.

Thanks.

--------------------- cut here --------------------------------
I'm angry right now, and I need advice.  Let me explain.

I work in administration at a commercial bakery.  We employ
mainly unskilled workers from the poor neighborhood in which we
are located.  It's part of our social mandate to employ people
others might not employ, to give them a chance to make it, and a
lot of folks have.

But too many don't.  Turnover is high, attendance is low.

In an effort to improve attendance, my boss just handed me a new 
directive he intends to implement WRT mandatory drug testing,
including measures requiring employees to pay the expense of
positive drug tests (both chemical and spectral analysis) out of 
their own final paychecks.  

I say drug testing as a means to improve attendance is insanity,
he doesn't see it that way.  He sees the threat of drug testing as
his weapon of last resort, I see it as a useless (and expensive)
morale-killer, contrary to our goals.

I'm looking for studies that back me up.  Anyone who has such
studies, or pointers to such studies, please contact me ASAP.  
I'll be out of town for a few days, and will respond to email by 
Monday Aug 31.

If I can't find a better solution than his directive, my only
moral alternative to implementing this is to seek another employer,
something I'd prefer not to do in these economic times.

"You want fries with that?" -- me in a month...
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From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Satanic Crime units?? Re: WoD: Frontline Report
Date: 31 Aug 92 05:09:13 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <1992Aug30.144328.20385@athena.mit.edu> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug27.221302.13615@amhux2.amherst.edu>, 
>pfcouvar@amhux1.amherst.edu (Peter Couvares) said:
>
>> To tell the truth, I had thought about it, but decided it would
>> weaken the humor to say specifically that I was kidding at the end.
>> I didn't think anyone could miss it. Oh well, next time... :)
>
>My condolences on learning the hard way one of the Prime Truths of
>the Net.. there is *no* idea or opinion so stupid/warped/lunatic/
>assholic/etc. that it can't pass for something that was posted in all
>seriousness by a net.idiot rather than a joke by a net.humorist.

Especially during an election year. Look at all the other things we're expected
to believe.



-- 
*********************************************
*    bob church                             *
*    bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu           *
*    D-8195 NFS #27                         *
From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
Subject: Re: Mail interception
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:49:12 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <17uiitINNdhc@agate.berkeley.edu> elwood@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Elisha Polomski) writes:
>He said UPS has a special scanner that they use regularly
>to suck in air from a package and test it for drugs, fireworks,
>or other illegal substances.
	I believe the device in question is probably a gas chromatograph.
	If so this is good.  That provides a very simple method for guerrilla
	attack on the system.  The more sensitive the sensor the
	more likely a false alarm.  I notice Fedex has outdoor boxes now 
	just like the USPS.  The most innocuous of all recreational
	pharmaceuticals, is provided by mother nature herself in the
	form of a very sticky, odorous resin.  One might imagine that this 
	sticky resin would, if rubbed on the outside of a package, rub off on 
	many other packages.  In fact it might rub off on elements of the
	package transport system itself before the source of the "infection" 
	were found.  . .   Lord knows where it might end up. . . ;-)

	

							smg

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