HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: turgd00@DMI.USherb.CA (DAVID TURGEON)
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. d'Informatique
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:42:06 GMT

In article <18NOV199212445009@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
BLABLABLA>(...)
It seems that rather than endure my complaints about
>their awful and intensely boring country, ...


EXXXCUSE me... If you're not happy about it, change newsgroups....


>So much for free speech in God's own country!  Anway, their attempt has failed
                            _:_ 
                  Sorry Mr. GODfrey, didn't think you where so pretencious


>and if I were to stop using the vax in question there are many other places
>from which I can access usenet.

I'm sure you can SUCKUP to someone somewhere ...

>
>Laurence
>

David

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From: mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Help please.
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:30:13 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

I'm sorry to perhaps trivialise matters with a posting about pop music, but
here goes anyway...

For those who don't know, Morrissey is a cult pop star.  During the 80's he was
the lead singer of The Smiths and is now a successful solo act.
    Recently he has been attacked in the press for saying that the British way
of life is disappearing.  Reasons he cites include the Americanisation of this
country through commercial ventures such as MacDonalds and infiltration of
American fads and fashions like baseball caps and American football, and more
controversially because of the existence of other races (Asians, Africans) in
our society.
    
The point of this posting is that I've been commissioned by an Asian magazine
to write about Morrissey abd in particular his views on the disappearance of a
British way of life and I was wondering if anyone out there has any information
or even opinions that would be worthwhile in writing this article.  The main
trouble I have is that I am a staunch Morrissey fan but I can't afford to turn
down writing work.  I feel that because it is a magazine read solely by Asians
then I have to criticise this man, who I admire greatly.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: In your school?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:35:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.143513.25352@pixel.kodak.com> dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>Steve Chapin (sjc@cs.purdue.edu) wrote:
>> }} In article <19NOV199217520247@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>> }} 
>> }} Not Sadam, nor Adolf, nor Bundy?
>> 			     ^^^^^
>> Which one?  Al or Peg?
>> 
>Neither.  He meant serial killer Ted Bundy.
>
>However Laurence is just being as tendentious as possible by extrapolating
>Sue Miller's comment outside its context.  Get some sleep, Laurence.
>

And he and I clarified this in email.  I naturally did not consider
the scope of the original discussion to include immediate self-defense.
Or murderous tyrants.  Or shoe salesmen with sexually frustrated
wives.  :-)
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The vagaries of electoral politics (was Re: Rule Britannia)
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:21:18 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Re tactical voting. If tactical voting means voting for a party you
don't largely agree with, then you deserve all you will get.

Richard Pennell, History NUS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper)
Subject: Re: Fish and chips
Organization: University of Waterloo Math Faculty Computing Facility, Ontario.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:38:31 GMT

In article <359t02zN2bhg01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee) writes:
>Today's lunch special in the Amdahl cafeteria, Fish & chips & cole slaw:
>
>Me:            Fish and chips please, but no cole slaw
>Dinner lady:   Do you want French fries?

Maybe she was just giving you the chance to substitute reconstituted
mushed potatoes in place of the french fries/chips?

Adrian.
arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Subject: Re: Split soc.culture.british
Reply-To: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Organization: Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:47:32 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.215503.2501@infodev.cam.ac.uk>,
gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov17.204907.9453@pierrot.comlab.ox.ac.uk>
>Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones) writes:
>>(  >Has anybody got the rules, if any, for Mornington Crescent.  I have
>> ) >never been able to work it out :-((((
>>(  
>> ) This should definitely be in the FAQ.
>>
>>Has anybody got the FAQ, if any, for soc.culture.british.  
>>I have never been able to work it out.                                   
>g
>
>Perhaps it's in Mornington Crescent...

  That's why it's not been around for a while, as Mornington
Crescent's currently closed for renovation works.

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+======================================================================+
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| DESISCo - Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd |
|  Views expressed and statements made are mine and not those of DEC   |
+======================================================================+
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: What's the name of the Cambridge bookshop?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:58:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.034346.2724@netcom.com>, prwr001@netcom.com (Robert W. Row) writes:
|> I am trying to remember the name of the big bookshop
|> in Cambridge in England.  I had an account there in
|> the early 1970s but neither I nor an English friend 
|> currently working over here who also bought books there
|> can remember its name.  One of those memory lapses that
|> gradually drives you mad.

(To be sung to the obvious tune, in 4-part canon, after the port has passed
round once):

	Heffer's Bookshop, Heffer's Bookshop,
	Bowes and Bowes, Bowes and Bowes,
	Galloway and Porter, Galloway and Porter,
	[solemnly] Deighton Bell, Deighton Bell.

Is Bowes currently in an existent state?
-- 
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
Allberall und ewig blauen licht die Fernen!  Ewig... ewig... earwig... O!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:16173 soc.culture.canada:8674 sci.research.careers:1494
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
From: robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson)
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Followup-To: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
Reply-To: robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:32:29 GMT

LAURENCE GODFREY (godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov) wrote:
>In article <1992Nov19.104052@aifh.ed.ac.uk>, mwc@aifh.ed.ac.uk                         writes...
>>In article <18NOV199218175442@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov
>>(LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>># In article <Bxxr67.Lws@DMI.USherb.CA>, turgd00@DMI.USherb.CA (DAVID TURGEON)
>>writes...
>># >In article <18NOV199212445009@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov
>>(LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>># >BLABLABLA>(...)
>># >>It seems that rather than endure my complaints about
>># >>their awful and intensely boring country, ...
>># > 
>># >>So much for free speech in God's own country!  Anway, their attempt has
>>failed
>># >                            _:_ 
>># >                  Sorry Mr. GODfrey, didn't think you where so pretencious
>># 
>># It's pretentious chum, and you're using it out of context in addition to
>># spelling it wrongly.
>> 
>>No worse than your spelling of 'anyway' (or was it Amway) in the previous line
>>-- and it has fewer letters too!
>> 
>># >I'm sure you can SUCKUP to someone somewhere ...
>># > 
>># Is this level of maturity characteristic of Canadian net users?  
>> 
>>What's the matter Larry -- don't you want to endure our complaints about your
>>awful and intensely boring personality?
>> 
>>Matt
>
>No, I would just prefer to see a reasoned attack on me rather than the
>sort of name-calling that I could expect from school-children

Sorta like being called an arsehole by someone you've never met or even
exchanged two words with. 
-- 
Jim Robinson
robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
{ubc-cs!van-bc,uunet}!mdivax1!robinson

Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:16257 alt.folklore.urban:29303 misc.legal:20281
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Line item veto (was: Re: The amazing disappearing British Constitution)
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:16:12 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Please, no more on line-item vetoes and Preident Clinton in this group.

Richard Pennell History NUS
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:15922 soc.culture.canada:8546
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: In your school?
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:24:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: sscvx1.15NOV199220243737
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1e6tg8INNrmn@morrow.stanford.edu>, silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva)   writes...
>godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes...
>>>godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>>:
>>>: You're wrong there.  If you look back at newspapers etc. around Feb. 87
>>>: you'll find that my dispute with the NRC got considerable publicity, also
>>>: on TV and radio stations.  And I haven't finished with them yet - I have
>>>: a pending legal action over being excluded from publications by NRC (see
>>>: New Scientist July 11th, 1992).  Apart from that, I believe I have done
>>>: a great deal to damage the reputation of Canada in High Energy physics
>>>: and intend to do a great deal more
>>> 
>>>Hell hath no fury like a PhD with a bruised ego.
>>> 
>>
>>Wrong - my ego is intact.
> 
>	Who could argue with this? It's an accurate statement of fact
>if I've ever seen one. 
>	
>>My fury is the result of injustice.  Hard for
>>you to grasp that, huh?
>>
>	Possibly the injustice was a result of your, um, somewhat 
>grating personality Dr. Godawful. It's remarkable really, but if 
>you prance around day in and day out whinging and pointing fingers,
>people develop an aversion to you. They even (gasp!) might be 
>tempted to treat you less than well. Just a thought you know.
> 
>--
>======================================================================
>|| Holly Silva			I have nothing terribly clever to say||
>|| Applied Earth Sciences	today.  You're in luck.		     ||
>|| Stanford University						     ||

Once again, proof that you have nothing terribly clever, or even remotely
clever, to say today.

Laurence
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: VNS: Wed 18-Nov-1992
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:07:35 GMT


In article <1992Nov20.143256.15293@spider.co.uk>, peterw@spider.co.uk (Peter Woodhouse) writes...
>In article <1992Nov18.122949.1621@rdg.dec.com> evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME) writes:
>>
>><><><><><><><><>  T h e   V O G O N   N e w s   S e r v i c e  <><><><><><><><>
>>    The government will today publish the first comprehensive league tables
>>    of GCSE and A level results from all the state schools and 25% of
>>    independent schools around the country.
>Can anyone tell me where you can get hold of the table?  Do you have to write 
>away somewhere, if so where, or is it available at libraries etc?
> 
>Peter
>-- 
>Spider Software                                 E-mail:  peterw@spider.co.uk
>Spider Park, Stanwell Street                    Phone :  +44 31 555 5166
>Edinburgh, Scotland

Are you aware that the table doesn't cover Scotland?


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From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Splitting up s.c.b and debate on Uk.* groups going international, vo
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:43:24 GMT
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <R060TB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:

>  Let's look at this seriously, and Guy, thanks for the motion of support.

Oh my God...

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Cambridge CB2 3QG, England, UK     | Internet: Guy.Barry@cl.cam.ac.uk 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Clive's bike
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:31:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.221838.1099@math.ucla.edu>, pugh@pico.math.ucla.edu (David Pugh) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov19.094103.14611@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch writes:
|> >
|> >About a year ago there was an article on TV about an electric bike that
|> >Sir Clive Sinclair had developed (resembling a Mini-Moulton bicycle) and 
|> >was selling them for about 500 quid. Has anybody seen them for sale?? 
|> >
|> >kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
|> 
|> Probably crashed along with all his other hair-brained schemes. What
|> a wally, that guy is...

but he's not half a stupid as the people who've bought the junk he peddles
(or is that pedals ?).  Worse than that a Unit Trust Manager once asked me
if I thought his 2 million investment in the flat screen t.v. and the C5 were
a good idea.  Cretin.

Lawrence Godfrey writes:
|> does anyone know how many "Captains of Industry" who have merited Thatcher's
|> specific praise, have subsequently gone bust or disappeared into obscurity,

All of them,  anyone remember Sir Freddie Laker ?  To think, we're supposed
to base our economy on these guys !

David.
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Crime rates in Britain compared
Date: 22 Nov 1992 21:07:09 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
#>silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:
#>>abuse illegal immigrants to the extent that police on the European
#> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
#>    the very fact that they are illegal means the ppolice should
#>catch them, I don't think most people would find anything wrong
#>with this.

#>  If instead you actually meant legal immigrants, then the difference

The important word is "abuse", not "illegal".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jiazhang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jiajie Zhang)
Subject: Volunteers Needed for an Experiment in Cognitive Psychology
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:47:01 GMT




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very simple problems.  We ask for volunteers to participate in this
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enjoyable. 

To do the task, simply type:

telnet canyon.psy.ohio-state.edu (or 128.146.112.91)
Login: exp
(No password is needed.)

Then enter your terminal type, such as vt100, sun, xterm, and so on.

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If you have any questions, please feel free to call me or send me
an email.

Thank you for your help.

-----
Jiajie Zhang, 			(614)-292-8667 (office)
Assistant Professor		(614)-885-7995 (home)
Department of Psychology	jiazhang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Ohio State University	 	zhang@canyon.psy.ohio-state.edu
Columbus, OH 43210
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Splitting up s.c.b and debate on Uk.* groups going international, vo
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:42:03 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


In article <1992Nov17.013155.2054@philmtl.philips.ca>, ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes...
>Two issues.
> 
>Splitting up s.c.b:  There is no valid reason to do this.  The eclectic
>subjects in this group are one of the main reasons it's a delight, and the
>volume is far from the heaviest in usenet.  Either you _want_ to read this
>volume, in which case after a split you'd you'd have to chase it to
>whatever other groups were split off, or you can handle what you don't want
>to read perfectly well by kill files.
> 
You assume everyone has kill files or an equivalent.

I don't.

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From: mossop@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Antony Mossop)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The Grapes
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:05:45 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu
Keywords: The Grapes

In article <kers0205.21.722314476@elan.glassboro.edu> kers0205@elan.glassboro.edu (CHUCK KERSHENBLATT) writes:
>I visited an old friend who lives on Commercial rd in Limehouse, and we 
>often went to The Grapes. Anyone have some information about this pub on the 
>river. Dickens ... stayed there, lived there? Does anyone know the Five 
>Bells pub in Limehouse, also?

Another nice one arond there is Hollands (I think). On the north side of the
Commercial road, a few hundered yards east of Limehouse station, it's still
got the interior (and patrons!) of about a century ago, been in the
hands of the same family (the Hollands) for five generations or so. Then
there's the ????? and Bladebone (?????? was something masonic I think)
on the site of an old slaughterhouse. Limehouse/Stepney was a good place
for pubs and had more lock-ins than most isolated village communities.


Tony Mossop, geophysics, Stanford
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:53:37 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

sewell@tsingtao.bnr.ca (Henry Sewell) writes:
> Scouse is another dialaccent which distinguishes
> between you (2nd singular) and yous (2nd plural).

No it doesn't. The more extreme varieties of Scouse employ ``youse''
almost exclusively. 

Pete
--
*Peter Fenelon -- Research Associate -- Software Safety Assessment Procedures*
Dept. of Computer Science, University of York, York, Y01 5DD (+44/0)904 433388
EMAIL: pete@minster.york.ac.uk `There's no room for enigmas in built up areas'
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:15916 soc.culture.canada:8541
From: silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: In your school?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 01:28:40 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes...
>>godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>:
>>: You're wrong there.  If you look back at newspapers etc. around Feb. 87
>>: you'll find that my dispute with the NRC got considerable publicity, also
>>: on TV and radio stations.  And I haven't finished with them yet - I have
>>: a pending legal action over being excluded from publications by NRC (see
>>: New Scientist July 11th, 1992).  Apart from that, I believe I have done
>>: a great deal to damage the reputation of Canada in High Energy physics
>>: and intend to do a great deal more
>> 
>>Hell hath no fury like a PhD with a bruised ego.
>> 
>
>Wrong - my ego is intact.

	Who could argue with this? It's an accurate statement of fact
if I've ever seen one. 
	
>My fury is the result of injustice.  Hard for
>you to grasp that, huh?
>
	Possibly the injustice was a result of your, um, somewhat 
grating personality Dr. Godawful. It's remarkable really, but if 
you prance around day in and day out whinging and pointing fingers,
people develop an aversion to you. They even (gasp!) might be 
tempted to treat you less than well. Just a thought you know.

--
======================================================================
|| Holly Silva			I have nothing terribly clever to say||
|| Applied Earth Sciences	today.  You're in luck.		     ||
|| Stanford University						     ||
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Fixed Term Parliaments
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:04:42 GMT
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Distribution: uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <1992Nov21.234603.8314@aber.ac.uk> tmw9@aber.ac.uk (Thomas Mayne Waddell) writes:

>At the start of the year the forthcoming defeat of the Tories was seen as a
>certainty.
>In April the general election was won by the Tories.
>Since then the Government has gone from crisis to crisis without any real
>idea of what must be done.
>Even their "facts" seem to be accepted and backed by fewer and fewer people.
>Matrix Churchill, the Miners, the Economy have all dealt blows to the Government
>Now they would lose an election if it was called.

I'm not sure.  Just because the Tories are behind in the polls, it
doesn't follow that they'd lose an election if one were called
tomorrow.  It's one thing to tell an opinion pollster you don't like
the Government, and quite another to actually vote to change it.  It's
the same sort of reason that gives rise to much bigger upsets at
by-elections than at general elections.

That aside, I agree with the case for fixed-term Parliaments.  The
Government shouldn't have the right to manipulate the election date to
its own advantage.


--
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Computer Laboratory                | Fax: +44 (0)223 334678
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Cambridge CB2 3QG, England, UK     | Internet: Guy.Barry@cl.cam.ac.uk 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: prodger@leland.Stanford.EDU (phillip prodger)
Subject: Re: Jelly Baby Art
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305 USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:54:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.214647.18443@leland.Stanford.EDU> brooksd@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dawn Jennifer Brooks) writes:
>JELLY BABY ART JELLY BABY ART JELLY BABY ART!
>
>Brilliant!!!!!
>
>
>Which are better, Jelly Babies or gummy bears.  And which came first?
>

WHICH ARE BETTER?  Dear God, Wars have been fought over this very topic.






Jelly Babies are the primordial tasty treat.