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From: stevej@hpc.mentorg.com (Steve Jumonville)
Subject: Re: HP-UX Patch numbers - what do they mean?
Originator: stevej@hpc.mentorg.com
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:09:39 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


In article <1992Oct15.221528.22008@edsi.plexus.COM>, chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi) writes:
|> I've been noticing a variety of patch letters and numbers with HP-UX
|> recently.  Some are PHKL-####, some are PHNE-xxxx, and a variety of
|> others.  Does anyone know if the letters have significance?  If so, what
|> are they?

The only signifigance is internal to HP ...

	PHKL
	|||___ Kernel Lab
	||____ HP-UX
	|_____ Patch

	PHNE
	|||___ Networking
	||____ HP-UX
	|_____ Patch

etc.
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From: onward@fsg.com (Onward Lam)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Disk overwrites
Keywords: Disk overwite
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:51:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Fusion Systems Group, New York City

In article <38854@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> xm9@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (richard g. adair) writes:
>Is there such a utility for the HP
>workstations?  (mediainit does not do this procedure for disks,
>although it does it for tapes)
>

I thought mediainit would wipe out whatever data is on the disk,
after all it has to write/read test patterns onto every single sector
to determine whether the sector should be spared.

In any case, if one does not think mediainit did it, you can always
do this:
	1. write a program that writes blocks of 0's or whatever.
	2. run the program and redirect the output to the raw disk
	   (eg. /dev/rdsk/4s0, /dev/rhd2, /dev/rdsk/c6d0s2), or pipe
	   it through dd so that you can control where to start/stop
	   on the output.

P.S. How about a bulk eraser, but that most probably will REALLY
     render the disk unusable unless returned to manufacturer for
     low level formatting.

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.hp:11620 rec.humor:31073
From: bkelley@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Brian Kelley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,rec.humor
Subject: HP's .profile for root
Date: 13 Oct 1992 15:23:30 -0400
Organization: EFHD, Ford Motor Company
NNTP-Posting-Host: ef2007.efhd.ford.com


The /.profile file on a HP-UX 8.07 machine is a whopping 8K in length.
It is now on revision 66.1.  The entire file is dedicated to determining
your terminal type and screen size.  Obviously, the very exciting content of
this file is some poor HP employee's career.

Oh, the funny part?   This huge .profile doesn't set a umask for root.
It defaults to 0 - any file root creates is world writable.

Do you know the real reason why HP is releasing those hot new 7100 series
boxes?  Because the 720 couldn't execute revision 70.1 of /.profile in a
reasonable period of time.


Please excuse the cynicism.  I'm beginning to notice how many 8.07 bugs
that I took the time to report that aren't fixed in 9.0...


  Brian


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bkelley@pms001.pms.ford.com
Certainly not speaking for FORD.
From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP-UX 9.0 & X11R4/Motif1.1
Date: 10 Oct 92 12:33:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC

In article <BvvCIs.303@fc.hp.com> marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com writes:

>Not that I really want to get in flame war here, but perhaps then you'd like
>to see the list of "standard" things HP-UX has that others don't have?  

  As near as I can tell, the list of HP stuff that others don't have
that is useful is very small.  I think it would help HPs credibility 
A Lot if you were to actually post a list of "standard" things that come
with HP-UX that others don't have.

Ran
atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil
From: neal@ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP-UX 9.0 & X11R4/Motif1.1
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:32:16 GMT
Organization: COMSAT Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: neal.ctd.comsat.com
In-reply-to: bobm@hpcvxbm.cv.hp.com's message of 8 Oct 92 20:13:59 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: df0b0b039f1ce4c89d8fda247c567c99

>>>>> On 8 Oct 92 20:13:59 GMT, bobm@hpcvxbm.cv.hp.com (Bob May) said:

	Bob>    Yes. The R4 and Motif 1.1 shared libraries are supported on 9.0, and
	Bob>    they live in the "usual" places (/usr/lib/X11R4 and
	Bob>    /usr/lib/Motif1.1). The R5/Motif 1.2 libraries appear in
	Bob>    corresponding locations (/usr/lib/X11R5 and /usr/lib/Motif1.2).
	Bob>    

Good!  I have tons of executable linked to shared libs under
/usr/lib/X11R4 and /usr/lib/X11R5, so I hope this doesn't change!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: stevej@hpc.mentorg.com (Steve Jumonville)
Subject: Re: Creating an Update tape
Originator: stevej@hpc.mentorg.com
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:47:20 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


In article <1992Oct13.142716.14895@Schultz.ON.CA>, peter@Schultz.ON.CA (Peter Roeser) writes:
|> richard g. adair (xm9@sdcc12.ucsd.edu) wrote:
|> : 
|> : Try not to limit your software to DAT tapes.  Not all of us have
|> : this "only on an HP" type of drive.  How about standard tar format to
|> : make the tapes?  This way, if my local HP doesn't have a drive, I
|> : can use an 8mm (which everyone else has :-) accessed off a remote
|> : system...

'fpkg' makes update  packages  suitable for DAT tape; update format is a
tar archive intended for DAT tapes.

If you want to put the tar archive that 'fpkg'  generatees  onto a disk,
1/2" magtape reel, or 8mm, tar and fpkg surely don't care; go crazy!

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From: kolb@crd.ge.com (Mark A. Kolb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Problem w/ tvtwm and 8.07?
Keywords: tvtwm, HPUX 8.07, 9000/700
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:17:15 GMT
Reply-To: kolb@crd.ge.com
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady, NY

My 730 was recently upgraded to HPUX 8.07, and since then tvtwm has
been displaying some odd behavior.  When the screen is in the first
horizontal row of the virtual desktop, the 'f.raiselower' function
works correctly, but on any other portion of the virtual desktop, it
has no effect.  I'm using tvtwm Revision 10.0, patchlevel 6, and recompiling
tvtwm didn't help at all.

If anyone else has run into this and has a fix for it, please reply
via e-mail.  If there is enough interest, I'll post a summary of the
responses.

Thanks!

-- 

Mark Kolb                                           GE Corporate R&D Center
kolb@crd.ge.com                                     Schenectady, NY
From: mcallist@hplred.HP.COM (Willy McAllister)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:41:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: EISA device drivers on 730
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

I am looking for a lead on an EISA (or ISA) parallel IO card that can do
fast DMA transferrs into a Snake.  16 or 32 bits, >5Mbytes per second.
Any pointers to existing products would be a big help.

Willy McAllister
HP Labs
From: mabrams@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Michael Abrams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Re: HP/UX Performance Monitoring?
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:07:27 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino

If you are running on a Series 800, sar is (and always has been) already there.
It's not available on s700's.

mike abrams

Every conceivable disclaimer applies.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: librarian@iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu (InterWorks librarian)
Subject: TCP/IP development help
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:30:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: International HP Workstation users' group (InterWorks)

I had an InterWorks member contact me looking for a hired hand to assist on some
software development. His message follows:

    >We have a need for someone to help develop software in the HP-UX environment.
    >We need someone who knows HP internals and can work at the level of TCP/IP
    >and device (SCSI) drivers.
    
    >The need is in San Diego county.  If you're interested, you can contact me
    >via FAX at 619-552-3157 (A.Spector).  For questions _ONLY_, send e-mail to
    >spectora@cpva.saic.com
  
From: leonard@hplred.HP.COM (Mark Leonard)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:46:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Exabyte support on HP700s
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

Bill Campbell wonders about a driver to connect Exabyte 8MM tape to an
HP 9000/750.  He's having trouble reading "tar" tapes written on a
Sun workstation.  I bought a driver from a 3rd party, and have since
been able to read such tapes on a /750 I administer.

I bought the driver (and Exabyte hardware as well) from Devsoft Corp.
in Sunnyvale, CA.  Phone is 408-276-3569.  It's a very small company,
but installation was simple and it has worked when I used it.  It's
only been a few days, though.  They were helpful, for instance copying
an 8MM tape I needed to read to a DAT format tape on their machine.

Mark (put usual disclaimers here) Leonard
From: kk@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Konstantinos Konstantinides)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Shared Libs on HP9000
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:54:19 GMT
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA

You need to read: Programming on HP-UX, B2355-90010
explains most of your questions on shared libraries.

In general, programs compiled with shared libraries are MUCH smaller
in size, but you may have a start-up performance penalty.
Compiling with shared libraries is the default.

K. Konstantinides
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: hantis@u05001.rsv.svskt.se (Hans Tisell)
Subject: Re: CD player
Organization: Swedish Tax Administration
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 09:21:51 GMT

ken@studsvik.com (Ken Rempe) writes:
> 
> 
> Is there a program available to play CD's on the HP cdrom drive?
> If there is where can I get a copy?
> 
> Setup:
> 
> HP 720
> HPUX 8.07
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance
> -- 
> -----------
> Ken Rempe                   *   ken@studsvik.com
> Studsvik of America,Inc.    *   uunet!idaho!caesar!ken
> Nuclear Code Development    *   Idaho Falls,ID USA  ph 208-522-4630

On HP LaserPro CD disk (Volume 2.1) there is a program called XCD
(freeware/shareware?) that can play music from a CDdisk.
It is possible to name disk, artist and tracks. The record is saved
and the information is retrieved next time You use a CD with recorderd
info.

The program works fine for me (HPUX 8.07, HP 710 and HP 6100 Model 
700/S CD-ROM drive)

Hans Tisell

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: ravi@csi.com (Ravi Bhaskaran)
Subject: Flaky 'tar' on HP700/HP-UX 8.05.
Organization: Comdisco Systems Inc., Foster City, CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:37:23 GMT


Hello HP-700 users,
		I create a file on tape by using the command below:

tar cvf - foo1 foo2  | compress | dd of=/dev/rmt/0mn

		Let us assume that foo1 and foo2 are directory trees
with about 500 files under them.

		I now extract these files using the command below:

dd if=/dev/rmt/0mn | uncompress | tar xvpf -

		The above scheme works about 9 out of 10 times. The 
problem I am having is that when extracting files from the same tape 
using the same tar command once every ten times a file ends up with
a size of zero. For example:

	foo1/dir1/file1   should be of size 3283 
	foo1/dir1/file1   ends up with size 0 ( once every ten times 
					     or so)

Is there an explanation for this ?? Any pointers would be
welcome.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: ken@studsvik.com (Ken Rempe)
Subject: Makefiles 8.05 to 8.07 upgrade
Organization: Studsvik of America
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:46:36 GMT

After upgrading from 8.05 to 8.07 our make files nolonger work.
This make files define hundreds of source files and when it tries
to link them all together it complains with:

 "Too many exec arguements". 

The same makefile worked in 8.05. Has anybody seen this problem 
before and is there a fix available?
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Ken Rempe                   *   ken@studsvik.com
Studsvik of America,Inc.    *   uunet!idaho!caesar!ken
Nuclear Code Development    *   Idaho Falls,ID USA  ph 208-522-4630
From: winslett@widor.cs.unc.edu (Michael E. Winslett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Question about dataless HP series 700 workstations
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:31:53 GMT

I am going to be administering a number of HP series 700 workstations
and would like to run them dataless (i.e. local disk used for swap,
/tmp, and an AFS cache, but root and /usr on the server).  The
documentation for cluster administration states that when you reboot
the cluster server, every client node in the cluster is also rebooted.
Does anyone know if it is possible to disable this "feature"?  In
running dataless Suns and DECstations, the clients are frozen when the
server is down, but when the server returns the clients pick up where
they left off.  Why is it necessary to reboot all the clients, killing
any running user jobs in the process, just because the server is
rebooted?

- Michael
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winslett@cs.unc.edu		Department of Computer Science
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sources.wanted,alt.sources.wanted,no.sources.wanted,comp.dcomm.fax,alt.fax
From: bjoerns@stud.cs.uit.no (Bjoern Stabell)
Subject: FAX software
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:25:56 GMT

I just tried GNU's fax software, but to no avail.  Our FAX, which is a
Xerox Multinational Telecopier 7021 (S-869), didn't understand the fax-modem
commands (it's not a fax-modem, so it's very surprising *sigh*).

So, my question is, does anybody know of any fax software, commercial or
public domain, that might be compatible with this fax and which might run
on HP (9000) boxes?

Thanks in advance. :)


Kind regards,
-- 
                                                  Bjoern Stabell
                                                  University of Tromsoe
                                                  (+47) 83 44 053 / 83 75 164
                                                  bjoerns@staff.cs.uit.no
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: a866700@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Wong Siu To)
Subject: tset in csh and sh
Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:56:28 GMT

Hi all,

I use tset to set the environment and reset the terminal during login :

.profile:

...
eval `ttytype -s`
export TERM; eval `tset -s $TERM`


.login: 

....
set noglob
eval `ttytype -s`
eval `tset -Q -s $TERM`
....


Both of them works fine except that in csh, the terminal initialization
string sent to the terminal by tset scrolls the text upward until the
prompt is at the last row of the screen.  I wonder why this happens only
in csh but not sh.  I've to use -I option in tset to stop the
initialization string from being sent to the terminal.

Would anyone pls advise ?   Any advise would be appreciated.

I'm using HP-UX 8.07 on HP 9000/750.

Thanks in advance.



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From: ditmars@silver.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ditmars Veinbachs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Linker Failure on HP9000/730
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:53:02 GMT
Organization: Cognition Corp., Billerica, MA


I am compiling a set of 2-7 Mb applications on HP-UX 8.07 using the 
"Native" HP supplied C++ 2.1 compiler.  The application in question
uses C and C++ code with ACIS(Solid Modeller)v1.3 and X11 linked in.
Near the end of the /bin/ld portion, /bin/ld gets a bus error
and the C compiler reports error 1405.  I have compiled the final
link with the verbose option and receive the following...

-----
Loading /lib/milli.a(MdivI.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(MdivU.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(Mdiv_const.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(MdyncallU.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(Mmovelr1.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(MmulI.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(MmulU.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(MremI.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(MremU.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(Mshfadrs.o):
Searching library /lib/milli.a:
/bin/ld: Unsatisfied shared library symbols:
   nlgetlang (code)
   RAND (code)
   nlcollate (code)
   nlinfo (code)
   IRAND (code)
cc: error 1405: "/bin/ld" terminated abnormally.
 removing /usr/tmp/AAAa09923
*** Exit 1
-----
An unreadable core file is produced.

I have been able to link successfully by removing all references
to the ACIS Solid Modeller.
-----
Loading /lib/milli.a(MdivI.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(MdivU.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(Mdiv_const.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(MdyncallU.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(MmulI.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(MmulU.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(MremI.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(MremU.o):
Loading /lib/milli.a(Mshfadrs.o):
Searching library /lib/milli.a:
/bin/ld: Unsatisfied shared library symbols:
   nlgetlang (code)
   RAND (code)
   nlcollate (code)
   nlinfo (code)
   IRAND (code)
/lib/crt0.o:
mainCXX.o:
ax.o:
/builds/1/AX3-4-7Dhp/libr/x_process.o:
/builds/1/AX3-4-7Dhp/libr/execute.a:
/builds/1/AX3-4-7Dhp/libr/net.a:
/builds/1/AX3-4-7Dhp/libr/menu.a:
/builds/1/AX3-4-7Dhp/libr/applic.a:
/builds/1/AX3-4-7Dhp/libr/apputil.a:
/builds/1/AX3-4-7Dhp/libr/db.a:
/builds/1/AX3-4-7Dhp/libr/mc_funct.o:
/builds/1/AX3-4-7Dhp/libr/scintf.a:
/builds/1/AX3-4-7Dhp/libr/src.a:
/builds/1/AX3-4-7Dhp/libr/m_util.a:
/builds/1/AX3-4-7Dhp/libr/util.a:
/builds/1/AX3-4-7Dhp/libr/igl.a:
/builds/1/AX3-4-7Dhp/libr/grx.a:
/builds/1/AX3-4-7Dhp/libr/xws.a:
/usr/lib/libX11.a:
/builds/1/AX3-4-7Dhp/libr/stub.a:
/usr/lib/libcxx.a:
/usr/lib/end.o:
/lib/milli.a:
Invoking Debug Preprocessor: /usr/bin/pxdb
 /usr/lib/c++patch AX3-4-7
 removing /usr/tmp/AAAa12144
-----
The ACIS folks have never heard of such a problem.  Another
application which uses only a subset of ACIS code is also ok.

Does anybody have any ideas/fixes/workarounds???
of ACIS code and no Xlib code also links successfully.


-- 

Ditmars Veinbachs				Cognition Corp.
ditmars@ci.com				
(508)670-5300 x107				Billerica, MA
From: stuart@TIVOLI.COM (Stuart Jarriel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: TIFF loses and regains color (re: TIFF loses color ... )
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:22:25 GMT
Organization: Tivoli Systems, Inc

VUE saves the colormap data from the X-server when you log out.  

I dont know if that is helpful, as I dont know what other processes you have
running that might be consuming colors.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: rdew@alw.nih.gov (Bob Dew)
Subject: Gererating PIC from assembler
Keywords: shared library
Organization: National Inst. of Health, DCRT, CSL
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:07:27 GMT


How can you generate position independent code (PIC) from assembler source?

I have a collection of c and assembler source files that need to be compiled
and linked into a common shared library on HP700/HP-UX 8.05.  I know that the
object files all need to contain PIC, but I don't know how to generate PIC
from assembler source.

Thanks for any suggestions,

-Bob

Bob Dew
National Institutes of Health
Bethesda, MD  20892
(301) 496-5361
rdew@alw.nih.gov




Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: heeres@uars_mag.jhuapl.edu (Ken Heeres)
Subject: Optical Systems Architecture on HP
Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:42:00 GMT

I am looking for information about a portable file system for optical drives.
I have been told that HP has such a thing but my salesman can find nothing about
it.  Please let me know if you know anything about this

ken
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.mac.databases,comp.databases.oracle
From: cameron@donald.etdesg.trw.com (Chris Cameron x21639)
Subject: DAL server for HP 9000 ?
Originator: cameron@donald
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 21:34:20 GMT

We are running Oracle on an HP 9000 machine and want to access the database
using the SQL capabilities of Excel 4.0 on a Macintosh.  We have System 7 and
the DAL extension on the Mac side; evidently we also need a DAL server on the
HP side.  We have been told that a Unix version of this software exists.  Can
anyone give us a product name and/or phone number?

Please reply via e-mail.  Thank you.   

Chris
From: glen@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Glen Robinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP-UX SPEC numbers. Nov.92
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:38:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcmgw.17780251
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO

>   : OK, I give up, I'm fairly up on HP parts (including the unannounced ones)
>   : but I've never heard of either of these.  What are they?

>   Industrial control workstations.  There is also a board-level version,
>   the Model 742rt.  All three use 50 MHz PA-7100 processors.

The first two (745i/747i) run HP-UX and the last one (742rt) runs HP-RT.  
HP-RT is a POSIX based real-time OS that is developed on an HP-UX PA
(Series 700/800) workstation.  The development environment allows full use
of the tools environment currently available under HP-UX.  The target
machine is a slot 1 capable VME controller.

The usual disclaimers here.

Glen - R
From: stroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike Stroyan)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:12:31 GMT
Subject: Re: <<HP memory mgmt, and my discovery!!>>
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA