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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: For a limited time only
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:52:44 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <C0Gpu8.J7s@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:

>Unfortunately it also has a couple of cuts from Slim Whitman.

>The more tender of our gentle readers may have been too young to have
>experienced the true, gut-wrenching horror that was the infamous Slim 
>Whitman TV album from the mid-70s.  His voice is uncannily reminiscent
>yodeling donkey on helium.  Try to imagine with your mind's ear the full 
>frontal auditory assault that is his rendition of _Down in the Valley_:

[ ... Slim imitation that almost made me lose my breakfast deleted ... ]

Not to play "Can You Top This", but there _was_ something scarier than
the Slim Whitman TV ads in the 1970's.

Personal appearances.  With singing demonstrations.  By Slim.

I lived in Jacksonville, Florida, at the time, and apparently ol' Slim
lived somewhere nearby -- Lake City, maybe? -- that made it easy for him
to inflict his personal style on us.

You've never been the victim of an aural assault until you've witnessed
Slim Whitman singing on a stage in the middle of a mall food court.

The echo effects were __faaabulous__ -- especially when he yodelled.

>Yippie ti-yi-yo.

More like barfie-warf-warf-warf.

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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:39:50 GMT

Gramma in a fit of undeniable crankyness (ryerson.schwark) writes:
> In article <1993Jan5.214740.3628@midway.uchicago.edu> pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> >
> >for some of us, regardless of sexuality, children are
> >an exciting joyous event, no matter how they arrive.  
> 
> For some of us its a nauseating event, no matter how they arrive.
> 
> >continuation of the species and all that.  
> 
> Overpopulation and all that.
> 
> ><sigh> this is the kind of attitude that proves the fundies
> >right about queers being "anti-family".  remember, you were 
> >once that cherished baby (in all likelihood) and maybe someday
> >you'll have one.  
> 
> Oh, you're right!  I'll definitely change my mind about this
> so as not to play into the fundies hands.  I think I'll even
> start going to church.  

  Here it is! Gramma is just upset about having to move to the
new corporate offices in Provo! Yes indeed, when you move to 
Provo you will start going to church again; it's the *law*.
And you'll have to fornicate only on Saturdays, and change 
the sheets afterward (in the dark too). And remember about 
your little engine. Have to save it's lubrication for the
job at -er- hand. Oh, and did I mention that your mate, life long,
will be assigned from an elder? Sorry, but I'm going to bet it
isn't George Reilly. 
  Gramma's going to the Beehive State! Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dissertation on soc.motss (PLEASE READ)
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:35:02 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu) wrote:
 
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> 
> >Oh, I think a current thread makes clear the kinds of problems
> >that arise.  
> 
> Besides, Shirley, you can't mean the current thread to which
> you refer *is* a problem or that it arose, unless you mean
> rising as in gorge.

Sure you didn't mean "rising as in george"?

--jns
From: NFitch@UCSD.edu (Nick Fitch)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I am confused
Followup-To: soc.motss
Date: 13 Jan 1993 00:35:44 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: world
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 dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>  >In the last week, several people have told me that when they think of
>  >my personality/interpersonal-style,  I remind them of Mary Poppins.
>  >Does anyone have any idea:
>  >A) is this a good thing?
>  >B) what it means?

B) Perhaps it means you have a taste for tap-dancing cockney rough-trade.

A) This seems like a good thing to me.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: albrigh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas g albright)
Subject: Crimes Against Nature
Organization: The Cabal
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:58:06 GMT

Last night on the local news (Indianapolis), they had a short feature which
was titled "Crimes Against Nature."  It was about violations of 
environmental protection laws.  Let's hope this indicates some kind of 
progress.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:56:54 GMT

In article <1ifindINNq5r@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.210052.24687@gordian.com> 
> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
> 
> > Though there doesn't seem to be any equivalent concept for
> > the "Gay Bay" unless "La La Land" qualifies.
> 
> I live at the foot of the Swish Alps.  Don't they qualify?

  Hon, *you* qualify.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
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		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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From: NFitch@UCSD.edu (Nick Fitch)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Wil Wheaton at MacWorld!!!!!
Followup-To: soc.motss
Date: 12 Jan 1993 19:24:05 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: world
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Re: Wil Wheaton and bitchy postings.

1.  He's young.
2.  He's slim.
3.  He's cute.
4.  It's not size that's important.

Personally I'd rather spend the night with Wil Wheaton, an economy pack of
condoms and a bucket of warm Jell-o than with Arnie, Dolph and Jean-Claude
put together.|
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Career Change Restricts Access to soc.motss
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:16:01 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.9 PL6]

Hi, Friends --

I'm now a machinist, no longer an engineer here at HP.
I actually work for 8 hours each day, so I'll be
a little less visible here, though I'll be able to
read and post _after_ work. 

The most important part of all this is that I had an 
excuse to buy some *BIG* *BLACK* *BOOTS* to protect
my tender tootsies from the *FILTHY* *OILY* *FLOOR*!

What fun!

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: race based fetishes
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:04:40 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

stuff that I suspect might sound *really* clueless:

>cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee) writes:

>>The difference for me, between being attracted to someone for their
>>race and being attracted to them for, say their mustache or their
>>bubble butt, is that race carries a lot of associations, stereotypes,
>>and other baggage that many other physical features do not.  Race is a
>>loaded category in our society.

>Agreed. But then, when you listen to someone talk about large appendages
>or facial hair or bubble butts, you may find that such things also carry
>a lot of baggage. Big dicks mean power and things like that, facial hair
>means virility and 'manliness', etc. So how do such preconceptions differ
>from those held about race?

I know that race is a lot more personal than other things. I'm just
saying that people can be just as objectified for other physical
characteristics - so much that their humanity takes a back seat to
their <insert whatever here>-edness. Just remember that people can
be idealized for *lots* of irrelevant physical reasons, and that
*what* people are typifying you for is not as important as the fact
that they *are* typifying you.

>>You speak of someone being attracted to me becuase of my race and
>>because of its connotations.  Let's run through some of the
>>better-known connotations of "Asianness" here: Exotic, Other, Passive,
>>Flower/Blossom, traditional obedient female (rather than liberated
>>feminist), or, in the case of gay men, submissive.  Not going to be
>>rebellious--the model minority, after all.  

>Yes. But what if, when someone first sees you, they have all that
>stuff called up, but in their very first conversation with you all
>of these things (which they knew weren't realistic anyway) are
>dispelled and they can continue getting to know you as a person,
>rather than as an Asian? I'm not saying that there aren't cases
>where this kind of stereotyping will happen, because there are
>lots of stupid people, but... Is it wrong for someone to know the
>societally-endowed notions about a race if they know it's all bull?
>Is it possible for someone to discount them?

And what if someone is attracted to your Asian-ness not for the
cultural baggage it carries, but because of the physical type it
generally describes (slighter in build, darker skin, black hair,
eye shape)? Is that any worse than liking blondes with big boobs?

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:16:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.111541.5492@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> As to the admittedly outrageous prices (paying $15/oz for a
> substance that costs $100/tankcar) most of what you pay for
> is design and marketing.

And, unsurprisingly, the situation for perfume intended for women is
even worse. I actually have no idea what "perfume" costs these days,
but I remember a _New Yorker_ cartoon from *at least* 20 years ago,
and very likely more: prosperous-looking couple in high-class
cosmetics shop, wife being offered fancy-looking perfume bottle,
husband exclaims indignantly: "Do you realize that works out to about
$750 a fifth?"

(for the aritmetically-challenged: $750/fifth = $30/oz, or very nearly
so.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt)
Subject: Re: Seid umschlungen, Millionen.  Diesen Kuss der ganzen Welt!
Organization: The Flood Group, Inc.  Torrance, Ca.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 07:26:01 GMT

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
| I wonder what percentage of our readers have heard it; I'd guess 80 or 9-
| percent. 
| 
|   Seid umschlungen, Millionen.       You millions, I embrace you. 
|   Diesen Kuss der ganzen Welt!       This kiss is for all the world!

Has anyone *not* heard it? I don't know much German, but I can't read
Schiller's words without hearing Beethoven's tune. The context of
gay performance art does put a different spin on it, doesn't it?
I also rather like:

   Laufet, Bruder, eure BAAAAHN.  ==?   Run, brother, your own way!

(Apologies if I've mangled this, I'm going from memory here...)

And there's also some bit about:

  Deine Zauber binden wieder           Your magic will heal where the
  was die mode streng getheilt         tight-assed ways of society have
				       pulled us apart
  Alle menschen verden Bruder          Everyone will become family
  wo dein sanfter Fluegelweilt         Where your soft fairy wings flutter

This *is* the "An die Freude" (Ode to Gaiety), isn't it?

:-) :-) :-)

Tom, feeling slightly giddy for some reason. (Feuertrunken, even.)
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: London: Places to do, Places to stay?
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:47:46 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ


I'm flying over for vacation in London, Feb 5-12, and was hoping that
I could get some advice on where to stay.  I'm looking for a reasonably
inexpensive and convenient place, doesn't have to be pretty, I never
spend much time in bed (Really! would I lie? don't answer that!).  I'd
also like to meet some of the london motssers like "My Martin", seeing
as I've owned him all these years and never seen him.

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure
Date: 9 Jan 1993 12:20:35 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

In article <16B4F1000A.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney) writes:

>My girlfriend and I watched this show together, and to be frank, I
>just wrote it off as more of Maurice's ignorance. He bashes the gay
>couple mercilessly until he needs them to help him with his latest
>project, whether it be archeology or cooking. I figured Maggie let

I agree.  On the first episode Maurice mentions that the town was
started by "...two women.  And contrary to popular rumor, I think they
were just two very good friends."

The show never ceases to amaze me.

Tom
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/ I try to please his eyes / his idol eyes. / Jerking motions won't revive him
/ mouth to mount resusitation / I just lay down beside him / and idolize.
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What to do for NEW YEAR'S EVE in Los Angeles?
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:35:18 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Mark Morrissey:

>However, you might reconsider the role model thing. 

Oh, I have no problem with being close to the kids.  I love them very
much.  I just wish the mommies would ask me first.

>love to climb mountains.  Should you ever find youself wanting company
>for a trip arounf Mt. St. Helens, consider me! me! me!  I have the added
>plus of having climbed almost every mountain of note within 200 miles of
>Portland (and, for that matter, 100 miles of Seattle), so I make a fairly
>good guide as well.

Consider yourself considered.  I'll need to make a FUEL STOP in Portland.
Now, of course, should Nelson be hanging around the pumps (or maybe _in_
pumps) at the time, I'll bring him as well.

>Wish me a happy birthday.

And many more.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

"Sex is a filter, and it admits a certain vision."  - William S. Burroughs
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: New Republic subscription letter
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:57:30 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones) wrote:
>I got a letter from the New Republic yesterday wanting me to subscribe. 
>After opening it, I was about to toss it when I saw a second letter
>inside that had quotes from GLAAD, The Advocate, et al., praising it. 
>The letter was from Andrew Sullivan, praising himself and the magazine
>because he's openly gay, and what a great asset NR is to the gay
>community.  That was my inspiration to throw it into the recycling bin. 
>I guess the Advocate is selling its mailing list again.

I didn't even open that one, but I got one from the Advocate itself.
The envelope said something like "Emerging to new women's issues" or
something to that effect (whatever it means).  The enclosed brochure
showed the recent magazines with women on the cover.  It stopped short
of saying "Dear Lesbian."

I'm not sure why I got it, but do know they don't check their mailing
lists out since someone at my address already has a subscription.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson@ocean.dnet.nasa.gov
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
"We Will Rebuild (tm)" - majority community response to Andrew
"We Will Redecorate" - gay community response to Andrew
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Obtusity (was: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...))
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:57:49 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <17885@umd5.umd.edu>,
jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> My dear brother Rog

Ye, Je?

> [would you believe that *several* of Brian's symphonies
> are now available in local shops?]

[Good-oh.  Including the two newish Marco Polo recordings?]

> usually has a bit more on the ball than this, but,

When was the last time you *saw* me bite on a ball?

> > roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
> > > > Well, yes, I was eating a banana.
> > > > But how did he *know*?
> 
> Is there really so much mystery?  Was the dusk so
> dark that he couldn't *see* the banana?

Pillock!  Fathead!

[inane whining purged]

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*pium* n. a small but very troublesome Brazilian biting fly"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Musings on Madonna
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 12:12:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.115240.16983@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>Oh gone on!

Still havin' a little trouble with them big words, I guess.

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<> can always depend on the support of Paul.
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From: daviss@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Stephen Davis)
Subject: Unversity Fac/Staff LESBIGAY Organizations?
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:21:03 GMT

Here at Columbia U. we've had a student gay organization for almost 20  
years.  (It actually claims to be the first such campus organization, but  
who knows or cares...)

Now, finally, some of us have been working toward establishing a  
Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual organization for staff and faculty.  Our tentative  
initial agenda is:

	--lobbying for domestic partner benefits
	--promoting information dissemination and campus openness 
		about lesbigay issues
	--influencing Columbia's curriculum to include more lesbigay and  
		gender issues, "queer theory" etc.

We'd be grateful to hear experiences of others who have been involved in  
this kind of campus organization, especially with regard to issues of:   
organization name, inclusiveness of membership, leadership and structure,  
and strategies for working within a university structure.  (Also, if any  
place has prepared formal bylaws, etc., we'd very much like to take a  
look.)  It would be great if we could hit the ground running with this org  
and avoid obvious pitfalls....

Thanks in advance.
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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 19:27:03 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <73149@cup.portal.com> <1993Jan8.162139.19231@spdcc.com>

Joseph Francis writes:
>You have, in the past, called me a muscle-bound jerk

Ah well. I can't be that perceptive all the time.

>If ever there was a whine,
>it is the continual "there are no hairy men in the media" mantra you

A distortion of what I said.

>type at the drop of a hat, when simplistic analysis would find
>otherwise (I'm very good at simplistic analysis I've never found good
>support for your assertions, and I should know).

Of course. You're an expert at absolutely everything.

>I'm always /curious/ about what 
>you are going to write, but I shudder nonetheless when I see you in
>the "From:" header.

Fascinating.  The feeling is almost mutual -- except I'm not
curious about what you write.

>I know the charm of writing well, having a sense of humor, and being
>well-exposed to culture and life can be inexplicable to those for whom
>that is meaningless.

You *are* learning.

>You must agree, George, you don't have a buoyant sense of humor

I "must agree" to absolutely nothing of the kind. As for a sense
of humor, acid in the eyes and knives in the ribs are just a 
laugh *riot*.

[Glendale-slamming deleted]

No, Glendale isn't the most fascinating place in the known
universe, and I never claimed it was; it's Idjit Arne who
made this into whatever "issue" it has become. Glendale just
happens to be a (relatively) inexpensive, (relatively) safe
place to live that is convenient to where I work and play.
Period.

>What's your point?

I'm not surprised it eludes you.

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From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success stories, please...
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:13:29
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: endora@sage.cc.purdue.edu's message of Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:55:04 GMT

On Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:55:04 GMT, endora@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Ken McCamish) said:
> A couple of really good books that I have recently found on the subject:
> Intimacy Between Men, by John H. Driggs, MSW; Stephen E. Finn, PhD...
> A Legal Guide for Lesbian and Gay Couples, by Curry and CLifford

Another great book is "Permanent Partners."  Christopher and I both
bought this book near the beginning of our relationship and were 
equally surprised to find that the other one had just bought it.

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