HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mathers@sibelius.trl.OZ.AU (Steven Mathers)
Subject: Re: Jolt: Breakfast of Programmers!
Reply-To: s.mathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:34:55 GMT

In article <71201@cup.portal.com>, plav@cup.portal.com (Rick M Plavnicky) writes:
|> drchip@cup.portal.com (MYRON A LIEBERMAN) writes:
|> 
|> >It has become very difficult to find Jolt in recent years. Is it still
|> >being produced? If so where is it available? I would agree that ult is the
|> 
|> It sure is!  Around here (central NJ, USA) you can find it everywhere
|> from convenience stores to gourmet shops, and even at some of the
|> malls.  Trouble is, it seems easy to find only by the bottle, and
|> that's a buck or more a pop.  I'd much rather purchase by the case.
|> 

Whats the big deal?  You'd get more sugar/caffine from a cup of coffee
and a donut -- and Jolt tastes like crap.  A friend of mine recomends
chocolate coated coffee beans, but I dont know where he got them.
From: petter@pnilsen.adsp.sub.org (Petter Nilsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Still collecting OS2.0 apps!
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:17:18 GMT
Reply-To: cbmehq!cbmnor!pnilsen!petter@cbmvax.commodore.com
Organization: Ultima Thule Software
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <Bz9KpB.KKz@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:

> And I thought I had all the OS2.0 applications I needed. :)  Last night
> I just downloaded MagicMenu, PowerSnap 2.1b, and ASwarm (the latest).
> Are there any other 2.0 apps anyone could recommend?  I already have
> VirusChecker 6.20 and ToolManager 2.0.  oh, and WBGauge, BellPrefs, and
> CpuBlit (of course).  Thanks. :)

Yes, you will most definitly need MagIcon which is on Fish #725 and most
Amiga FTP-sites.

>     // Amiga 3000   ___ \ Sam Hulick: shulick@indiana.edu (NeXTmail OK!)
>    // 68030 25 MHz /__/\ \ My opinions wear combat boots.  Or whatever.
> \\// OS 2.04       \__\/ / "Walk!  Not bloody likely.  I am going in a
>  \/                     / taxi."  --George Bernard Shaw

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////// ->    Save the whales -- collect the whole set !     <-  |/
From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Psygnosis HD support
Date: 12 Dec 92 06:02:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Dec11.230246.6340
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

> Yea, I agree.  I have send in 5 Psygnosis warranty cards all with the
> commments WHAT ABOUT MY HARD DRIVE?!?!?  I have gotten no response...


Your strategy might use a bit of work.  Instead of continuing to support
Psygnosis in their anti-HD (HD-phobic?) mentality by buying their products,
send them a note every time they release a new game that can't be HD
installed telling them WHY you DIDN'T buy their game.  Enough letters of
THAT sort should get their attention, no matter how drain-bamaged they
appear to be at present.  ;-)



        -=- Ed


* Edward E. Brown II             * Internet: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com *
* Chemist On A Mission From GOD! * FidoNet: 1:105/135                *
*--------------------------------------------------------------------*
               Annoy the media...Think for yourself!
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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: AsimCDFS update fixes astronomy disc problem
Date: 19 Dec 92 04:39:28 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED


	I just got the latest update for AsimCDFS, version 1.1a.  It "adds
support for various astronomical discs that are currently on the market.
For some reason the astronomical people seem to like to use the rather
obscure items of [the] ISO9660 [CDROM standard], which are not easily tested
for."

	Just for your information!

                                                        Dan

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: A4000 Educational Discount
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:17:10 GMT

In <1992Dec8.180308.1@umahe3.slac.stanford.edu> belcinski@umahe3.slac.stanford.edu writes:
>scientific software writer.  I myself am a graduate student and would gladly 
>buy a newer Amiga if there were an education discount.

Hmm. I was under the impression that C= US _does_ offer an educational
discount.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
From: kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A4000 Educational Discount
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:20:56 GMT
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO
In-reply-to: yoav@athena.mit.edu's message of 8 Dec 92 21:08:03 GMT


> <Original poster suggests an option for people qualified for edu
> discount to wave the monetary discount but get a free copy of the
> Amiga Unix package instead>

>>>>> On 8 Dec 92 21:08:03 GMT, yoav@athena.mit.edu (Yoav O. Yerushalmi) said:

Yoav>    About X11... minot problem.. it is manufactured by GfxBase (and
Yoav> is only at the X11r4, X11 I think is on R5 mostly....)
Yoav> <etc...>

You're really confused. C='s Amiga UNIX includes the X/NeWS based
OpenWindows GUI (same one shipped by Sun with their workstations). Even
if it didn't, it would be pretty simple for C= to just grab the sources
and compile it for their UNIX.
--
/**************************************************************************/
/* Kent Dalton                   * EMail: Kent.Dalton@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM */
/* NCR Microelectronics          * Phone: (303) 223-5100 X-319            */  
/* 2001 Danfield Ct. MS470A      *   FAX: (303) 226-9556                  */
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OMNIVERSAL AWARENESS??  Oh, YEH!!  First you need 4 GALLONS of JELL-O
 and a BIG WRENCH!!...  I think you drop th'WRENCH in the JELL-O as if
 it was a FLAVOR, or an INGREDIENT...  ...or...I...um...  WHERE'S the
 WASHING MACHINES?
From: shogun@tension.UUCP (Jay Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for Amiga dealer...
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:57:55 EST
Organization: High Tension BBS

In article <1992Dec14.212822.20500@microsoft.com>, iank@microsoft.com (Ian
Kennedy) writes:
>I'm lusting for a new Amiga. I sold my A3000 system to get a new
>AGA system. I want to get an A1200. Problem is, they aint
>shipping here in the Seattle area (or anywhere else in the US).
>
>So, does anybody know of Amiga dealer in Vancouver or Victoria B.C.
>that have A1200s in stock? PLease e-mail me with a phone number.
>
>Also, if I get the non-HD version, can I just plop in an IDE drive
>without getting a new rom or other modifications?
>
>IanK@microsoft.com
>-- 
>|------------------------------------------------------------------|
>|Currently Amigaless soon to   | Eagle Talon TSI AWD/ABS/Turbo     |
>|own A1200/100MB               | Iank@Microsoft.com                |
>|------------------------------------------------------------------|
I reccomend you get a 4000.  After the 3000 the 1200 will be a bit slow.  Also,
yes if you decide to get a hardriveless 1200 you can just oput any old 2.5" ide
drive in the case without further modifications.
                Jay Brown

==============================================================================
IBM MAKES IT IN BULK...MACINTOSH MAKES IT POPULAR, BUT ONLY AMIGA MAKES IT     
                           POSSIBLE.
==============================================================================
From: johnv@acix.DIALix.oz.au (John Verhoeven)
Subject: Re: ProPage Genies???
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:36:19 WST
Organization: ACix - Private UUCP Node, Cloverdale, Western Australia.

Harv R Laser (Harv@cup.portal.com) wrote:
> >Does anyone have any cleaver ProPage Genies that they would like to share 
> >with the rest of us?  Are there any FTP sites that have any?
> Somewhere in the Fish Disk range of 741-750 (I think) was a 

Fish 724 'DonsGenies'

--

John Verhoeven                        johnv@acix.DIALix.oz.au      _--_|\
Treasurer, Amiga Developers           (ALT: johnv@DIALix.oz.au)   /      \
Association of Western Australia      Phone: (+619) 478 1406      *_.--._/

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: cschneid@amiga.physik.unizh.ch (Christian Schneider)
Subject: Re: Recent uploads to amiga.physik.unizh.ch
Organization: ICU - University of Zurich, Dept. of Computer Science
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:33:36 GMT

Harv R Laser (Harv@cup.portal.com) wrote:
> If the site opens and greets you and prompts you to enter you name,
> enter this:
> anonymous <return>

ftp<return> does the same on most (all?) sites.
I prefer 'ftp' (shorter and easier to remember ;-))

> For your password, enter your email address:
> kburket@andromeda.rutgers.edu <return>

On amiga.physik, simply enter your name (in the example above,
'kburket' is sufficient) as amiga.physik gets the machine name
automatically.

- Chris

-- 
Chris Schneider - cschneid@amiga.physik.unizh.ch BIX: hschneider IRC: cschneid
It's impossible to enjoy idling thoroughly unless one has plenty of work to do
From: cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Good news!  Tired of vague filenames? ...
Date: 18 Dec 1992 15:59:50 GMT
Organization: Kingston University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.kingston.ac.uk
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I would love something like this that could be used from the workbench.
ie double click on a text file and it ppmore gets loaded. 
I know you can assign .info files or drag them into a toolmanger icon.

Also since Im dreaming :) what about this, when you open a window with
a mixture of files in it, all the files are processed, and depending on what
type of class it was, it would have a default icon.
eg All the text files would have a 'book' icon, all sample files would have
a 'note' icon etc.. 

I know all this is possible, but I hate loads of icon files filling up my hard
disc!

Regards..

Vlod
-Amiga Advocate.
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Amiga - Anything else isn't worth considering
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From: walrus@wam.umd.edu (Udo K Schuermann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: NEW RELEASE:  KingFisher v1.11
Summary: Bug fixes for name index and display related problems
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:22:05 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


  Available via anonymous ftp is version 1.11 of KingFisher, fixing all
  known problems relating to the name index and also taking care of the
  problems relating to systems with oversized or A2024 displays via the
  use of the 2.0 Display Database.

  General overview of KingFisher:

  KingFisher is a freely distributable replacement for Aquarium, providing
  a mechanism to search for software in Fred Fish's Library of Freely
  Distributable Software.  KingFisher has been designed for users of both
  floppy-only and harddisks systems operating under either Kickstart 1.3
  or Kickstart 2.0.  Some features are available only under Kickstart 2.0.

  KingFisher v1.11 offers the following features:

  - Maintains a split database across multiple disk volumes,
  - Searches this database more than 3 times faster than Aquarium,
  + Provides a small and very fast program name search index,
  - Adds new fish directly from Contents files or Usenet postings,
    even from multiple concatenated postings or email contents files,
  - Fish can be deleted from the end of the database to undo errors,
  - Database is a line-oriented text file accessed through index
    which can be modified by hand and then reindexed,
  - Flexible print and export functions, including search-filtered
    output,
  - Select from multiple different search strings,
  - Limit searches to a portion of the database,
  - Follow version links to older or newer versions of software,
  - Maintain multiple different "bookmarks" into the database and
    switch between them with a single mouse click,
  - Supports proportional and scalable fonts for description text,
  + Now supports the 2.0 display database including Text Overscan.
    Limited support for overscan, PAL, and interlace displays is
    available under 1.3.
  - String gadgets are optionally kept active for keyboard comfort,
  - Full configuration saved between executions,
  - Iconifies to save Chip RAM (46K).

This update to the original version 1.0 and 1.1 does not include a
database.  To obtain the database and complete program documentation, too,
you must obtain a file named KingFisher.lha which is 477691 bytes in size.
KingFisher111.lha is 66745 bytes in size.

KingFisher.lha and now KingFisher111.lha can be found at the following
ftp sites:

wuarchive.wustl.edu	128.252.135.4	   /systems/amiga/incoming/fish
grind.isca.uiowa.edu	128.255.19.233	   /amiga/Read.These         (*)
ux1.cso.uiuc.edu	128.174.5.59	   /pub/amiga/KingFisher     (*)

(*) May take a little time for KingFisher111.lha to show up there.


 ._.  Udo Schuermann        "New way?  What's this I hear about a new way?"
 ( )  walrus@wam.umd.edu                      -- Alex, "A Clockwork Orange"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: Minimum Room Temperature for an Amiga
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 02:37:46 GMT

In <10235@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>
   peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:

>In article <crystal.723778083@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>>
>>I just talked to a Commodore technician.  I was told that the minimum 
>>recommended room temperature for operating an Amiga is 41 degrees Fahrenheit.

>(Please, almighty god, teach those Amis SI units!!! PLEASE! We *never* use
>Fahrenheit, so we also have no conversion formula. Is this below zero (C)?)

Dern yankees! (Looks like you need a trip "Ausland" to brush
up on your english, Peter. :-))

32F = 0C, 212F = 100C => C = (F - 32) * 5/9

Therefore, 41F = 5C, probably too cold for an Amiga.
Amigas are cool, not frigid!

>Well, there is indeed a limit. I only know the german term "Taupunkt"
>(perhaps condensation point?): You get inevitable humidity condensation
"dew point" - somebody with a PhD in physics should know that! ;-)
It's even in my Langenscheidt.

>below this temperature. Condensation is absolute poison at least for
>floppy drives, but also can cause shorts and corrosion. If you e.g.
>carry a floppy with you through the cold, you should *never* put it
>directly in *any* computer, might cost you the r/w head, you have to
>let it warm up.

I find that placing it at the cooling air outlet of the
computer makes for rapid acclimatisation. Also, if it's a
magnetic tape, do a retension before trying to get any data
on there. Paper tape users need bother about this.
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From: ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Snapshot (was Re: ENHANCEMENTS: C= Please consider this)
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:50:25 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <Bz9rHw.8Ls@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
> 
> 1) Snapshotting.  It would be much better if the DOS would remember
> where you put things, like the rest of the icon-based DOS's do. 

In your pull-down menus, you'll find a Snapshot command.  Use it to your
heart's content.

As for the "rest of the icon-based" systems, I can say that I *much* prefer the
Amiga's snapshotting method over the Mac's (I have a Mac sitting on my desk at
work).  I realize this is personal preference - my preference is that icons
shouldn't snap unless I tell them to, just like file edits aren't written to
disk unless I select a Save command.  The Mac's method doesn't allow you to
undo your new view.  If you accidently clean up a window or select view-by-name
instead of icon, you're sunk since there is no Undo for this operation.

-- 

Ed Wilts, BC Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8
EWilts@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA     Office:  (604) 389-3430    Fax: (604) 389-3412
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: griffin@egr.msu.edu (Danny Griffin)
Subject: Re: DNET NIGHTMARE
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 09:06:59 GMT

>In article <Bz2v15.ELF@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>>Is it just me or is DNet one of the most poorly-documented,
>>hardest to install applications for the Amiga?  I thought so.

It's you?

You are probably logging into a 7-bit default connection.  Try logging
in and changing to 8-bits before you run 'dnet -m0' by either:

<break>
!bpc=8

or for telnet

^]           <telnet break>
binary # on  <where # is your telnet session>

or <insert appropriate response here>

or just run in 7-bit mode.  Transfers will take a little longer, but
at 14.4 it's not too big of a deal. :)
-- 
Dan Griffin                    "You stand there with your fixed expression, 
griffin@egr.msu.edu             casting doubt on all I have to say..."
From: jerry@marin.uucp (Jerry C. Hudgins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: X-windows issues was Re: A4000 Educational Discount
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:31:32 EST
Organization: Private UUCP Node

In article <1992Dec17.023648.45709@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> It should be noted that C='s X11 server is MONOChROME only!  There is
> no color server included.  To get color X windows under C='s Unix you
> need a gfx card like DMI's resolver (never buy the junky U. of Lowell
> card).  GFXBase's X11 sever on the other hand runs under Amigados
> (Don't think it's 1.3 compatable but am probably wrong) is color, as I
> hear supports AGA resolutions and provides maybe the better soloution
> if you just want to run X stuff.

The GfxBase X software is compatible with AmigaDOS 1.3.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Reply-To: etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:52:38 GMT

In article 20308@usl.edu, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> In article <BzFHqD.45B@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:

> #4 You Amigans cannot run MSDOS at all, and threfore cannot run
> such incredible games such as Ultima Underworld and Falcon 3.0.  So there.

What do you mean with "...run MSDOS at all.."?

I emulate MSDOS to 100% with a 87kb PD-program. It's not fast, but it works.

> -- 
> Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
> "Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
>  appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
>  everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn

________________________________________
/ Tomas Pihl
/ ELLEMTEL Telecom Systems Lab, Sweden
/ email:   etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se
From: jbono@tension.UUCP (John Bono)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Beef Sandwich - Re: Amiga now kicks PC butt - no way.
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:59:29 EST
Organization: High Tension BBS

>
>OS/2 is something of a real operating system, yes, but it does crash. 
>In fact, under some situations it crashes a lot.  Case in point: a
>friend of mine ran a BBS system for years off his 1985 vintage Ami 1000
>with a big but slow SCSI HD.  Then he bought a clone (Compaq?) with OS/2
>and tried to run a BBS.  Every couple of days the machine would crash
>and in the process corrupt his filesystem beyond repair, necessitating a
>complete restore from backup.  That, in addition to all the other
>problems he had getting serial communication to work under OS/2, caused
>him to go back to running the BBS on his Amiga 1000.  Now he uses the
>OS/2 machine to play with (hobby) and the Amiga to run the BBS, since it
>proved to be far more reliable.
>
>Not that this is always the case, but my point is that you can't make
>blanket statements about OS/2 being more reliable than AmigaDos - in
>many ways it isn't as reliable or as mature - it is far newer, and
>hasn't been developed as much as AmigaDos.  I feel it might have a lot
>of potential in a couple of years, but its too soon to tell.  I've also
>played with NT, which is rather non-impressive right now, but also has
>potential. 
>
>As for running 6 or 8 programs causing the machine to crash, my Amiga is
>currently running 52 programs, right now.  That's how it boots, given
>the stuff I run at startup.  It is very reliable.  Often times I get
>quite a few programs not only running, but all wanting CPU cycles at
>once, and not only does it not crash, the user interface runs so fast
>that you can't even tell there are number-crunching programs running
>back there.  AmigaDos is the best OS I've ever seen at that - bar none. 
>Not Unix, not OS/2, and certainly not Windows or System 7 come close. 
>All the others (and I've used them all) bog down horribly once they get
>slightly busy.  (Actually some types of Unix do OK, but others not so
>well - it depends on their scheduling algorithm and whether they're
>hitting swap). 
>
>John
>
 
I usually run 19 programs at boot up.  If I had more RAM, I would load ProWrite
and Baudbandit on bootup as well.  Of all the multitasking OS's out there,
AmigaDOS responds the best to user input by *far*.  I've used OS/2 on 16 and
20mhz 386dx's with 12 and 16M of ram, and my 6M 16mhz A3000 routinely dusts it
in terms of speed and responsiveness, and multitasking efficiency.
 
John
From: ag@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Andy Garton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: AmigaDos 3 Manual?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 19:39:34 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpopdlch.pwd.hp.com

Has anybody managed to get hold of an AmigaDos 3 manual?  For some strange reason, you don't get one with an A1200...

I've had no luck with Commodore UK.  Do any shops/dealers stock them (US or UK)?

Thanks...

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Software Development Engineer
Hewlett Packard Ltd
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