HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Characteristics, and 80's vs 90's trends of Iranians outside Iran.
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:12:51 GMT
Organization: shAkhes

In article <1992Oct4.032630.24619@netcom.com> mahyar@netcom.com (Mahyar
Rahmatian) writes:

salAm mahyAr Jan:

Thanks for the list.  I found that a few of the CA-Bay-Area-specific
characteristic and trends - of course per your definitions - that you cited
were very global in that one could apply them to all people living in the
above-mentioned locality.  I wondered if you could cite from the rest of
your list those that are specific to CA-Bay-Area AND Iranians.

There is no doubt that for most part those of us living in this area are
influenced by those 'shAkhes' that are generally considered Bay Area
characteristics.

>Here is my partial list, add on yours .
>
>B- Characteristics that separate San Francisco Bay Iranians from the rest of
>Iranians in US. Estimated population of 75 thousands.(1/10 of Los Angles).
>
>
>	- High concentration of professionals .

True for the region in general.  Sure we have idustrial zones in Bay Area, or
even car manufacturing (NUUMI in Fremont), nevertheless, the Bay Area is 
considered a highly concentrated metropolitan of professionals.

>	- Smaller gap of Social and economical status (class) between them
>         than other areas.

Same as above.

>C- Trends in 80's for Iranians outside Iran.	
>					
>	- Men drove (or wanted to drive) Black BMW 325.(California)

This is a tricky one.  We Iranians in general were 'shifteh' BMW's from
Iran.  However, I would like to think that the abundance of BMW's in CA is
a 'California' thing.

It is even truer for Bay Area in general.  Exercise:  Try to count the
number of BMW's in Pheonix, Denver, and Albuquerque.  I tried it and it was
hard to find more than few. :-)

>	- Couples separated if married in Iran.(California)

It looks like couples married in other states also separate when moving to
California.  Just ask your associate over the cubical partition. :-)

>I do have more, but I'd like to give a chance to you .

Please.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056
From: farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Professor HesAbi is dead
Date: 28 Sep 92 01:32:26 GMT
Organization: none


 
Professor HesAbi, the most famous Iranian physicist and the only
Iranian student of Einstein is dead. He was the founder of Tehran
University and the Atomic Energy center of Iran among other
institutions. He lived in and served Iran after completing his
studies. PaymAn once posted an informative article about Professor
HesAbi. I think this is a good occasion to re-post it (or perhaps
you have a more recent one).

Roohash shAd bAd.
                 
 - Farzin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: manizh@src.umd.edu (Reza Shahidi)
Subject: Perception of righteousness!
Originator: manizh@galaxy.src.umd.edu
Organization: EE Dept, University of Maryland
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:48:27 GMT


Seeing all these articles on "hijab", "existence of God", and many
other controversial topics made me think real hard about how
different perception of righteousness is from one person to another.
It is often funny to read articles where some try to give validity
to their point of view through scientific examples when there is
no scientific basis in their argument. There is this saying that
goes like, "treat others as you like to be treated by them". This
is one of the philosophical ideas which is celebrated and used in
different context. However, there is a major flaw with the above saying.

     WHAT IS RIGHT FOR ME MAY NOT BE RIGHT FOR ANOTHER. 

This brings me to my point. Judging right from wrong is a subjective
matter. There is no objectiveness in it. That is why no one, even God,
could create laws that are absolute. The information that is used
to evaluate right from wrong is often based on moral background of
an individual or a group. Every law that is in any book is always 
open for interpretation by a special group in power. That is how
one can create a terrible injustice by applying the above saying.
Unfortunately, I cannot see any solutions to the above problem. I
am not immuned to the above desease either, because everyday, I have to make
choices and I make them according to my experiences in life which may be
different from the next person. Perhaps, in order to coexist, tolerance
is the virtue that must be cherished. 

Tolerance can grow from a free mind and a free mind does not exist
anywhere but in infants and mentally retarded. 

                                -Reza Shahidi

P.s. Am I right? :) What do you think?
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From: alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Germany to commemorate launch of first Nazi rocket despite protests
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:36:27 GMT
	<1992Sep27.001959.27716@u.washington.edu> <jj7qbl0c@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Distribution: soc.culture.german
Organization: LFCS, Edinburgh

In article <jj7qbl0c@csv.warwick.ac.uk> laudw@warwick.ac.uk (Chris Lowe) writes:

   I find it quite hard to believe that anyone cannot see the clear distinction
   between Bomber Harris and the v2 rocket system.Bomber Harris was in the
   process of launching attacks on the most vile political system in history,
   were pilots risked there lives nightly...the v2 system was a rocket
   propelled weapons system,devised by evil people for evil purposes.Does`nt
   anybody in Germany or America see the distinction ???

When I first read this I thought you meant it ironically... 

Harris was responsible for the senseless killing of hundredthousands of
innocent civilians during the war. This was neither military sensible
nor morally justified. In the end he had to be stopped by Churchill.
Harris was a 1st class war criminal who would have deserved the same
faith as the other. His luck was that he was fighting for the right
side. 

The use of the V2 against was a crime as well, however it was much
less effective (about 2.000 civilians got killed by it). One could
argue that the successful launch of the V2 was a breakthrough in
rocket technology which got used for good and for bad things later. In
the same way it should be possible to remember the discovery of nuclear
fission. However, I agree, given the historical context in which the
development of the V2 took place, it is highly insensitive to
comemorate such a thing.

   bomber command or its leaders.It seems that many people don`t understand
   the current animosity towards Germany,but I think many people in
   england are of the view that Germany is forgetting what actually happened
   ^^^^^^^
   in 1939/45.(fuelled by news reports on the neo-nazi violence,and the V2
   celebrations have`nt helped.).

Who is Mr. Germany, btw? Nobody should forget the crimes committed by
the Nazis! Do you think the last war is adaquately reflected in BRITAIN by
showing funny films about Nazis, having war games clubs, etc and by
celebrating people like Harris? Sleep well!

--
Thorsten Altenkirch		LFCS, Edinburgh

"Germany still proves reluctant to exchange email with other countries 
efficiently" - Summer 1992 Systems Newsletter, Dep. of CS,Edinburgh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: I am He, the One...
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:33:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.201507.7313@sei.cmu.edu>, psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
|> 
|> Okay Ramin, sign me up.  My only question is: can we have lots of sex?

I think this is something private between you and Ramin and
I do not think ahAli are really interested.   :)

-- 
         +----------------------------------------------------+
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       /  Stanford   University     farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU  /
      / Computer Science Department                        /
     +----------------------------------------------------+
From: mmm@philabs.philips.com (Mehran Moshfeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Iranian Women Names After Marriage
Keywords: Family names of women
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:26:04 GMT
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York


Salam

I have a bet with a friend at work over this issue. We want to know
whether in the last fifty years or so women in Iran have kept their own
family names after getting married, or have they changed their names to
that of their husbands.

Rooz Khoosh

Mehran

-- 

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Image Processing Group	Philips Laboratories 	345 Scarborough Rd     
Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510			Phone #: +1 914 945 6323
From: moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:27:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: javAd Agha admonishes
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:44:53 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Oct4.223616.19578@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

> 'how do we KNOW for sure that matter exists?'

as a matter of fact, it doesnt really matter, whether matter exists,
no matter how you look at it.  what really matters, is that this
has become a material world and that its getting more and more 
difficult to find a station that plays pergolesi's sabat mater.  

>>Fine, then first tell me how do you DEFINE matter? 

#define MATTER 42

but seriously, here's another puzzler thats sure to keep our 
physicists phizzing:

there are three doors.  behind one of the doors is a prize. 

you choose a door randomly, say door # 1.  (but dont open it).

i open one of the other two doors, say door #2, and show you that 
there is no prize behind it.

at this point, i give you the choice of changing your mind
and picking another door (#3), or staying with your original
choice (#1).  

question: should you change your mind (pick #3) or stick with your
original choice (#1) ?

oh yeah... why?

hint: dump intuition, side with logic, and the answer
shall, ahem, materialize!


(for those who know the answer/reason, dont spoil it!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Subject: Re: Statistics on recent Censore in Iran.
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:24:23 GMT

     In article: <BvD1yq.Hw1@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu 
(Ramin S.) writes:

>Where the hell in world can you find a non-free education but our dearest
>Iran? 
>If the schools are not free, then where does our taxes go?


   When you were in Canada, YOUR TAXES used to go to Revenue Canada,
now that you are in US, YOUR TAXES go to IRS (Internal Revenue
Services). You can find the address of their nearest office in your
local white pages.

>Well, Long live Iranian Government.

   Hey, be careful! MKO will hear that!

>Ramin


Mohammad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: shAhrokh, tabibe mahin!
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:45:19 GMT

In article <ld4dsaINN7do@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:

>but it would be really, truly, unbelievably embarrassing for you, gods
>gift to adabiyaate farsi, if a mute like me could bring proof that mort, 
>mortuary and amorzesh share the same root, wouldnt it?
>
>how about a bet:  ill bring the proof, and you post this on sci:

mage man mesle to mo'tAd-o ghomArbAzam? marde hessAbi! age chizi tou
chante-at boud, hamoun rouze avval gofteh boudi !!!
But I strongly recommend that you bring your proof, because it will be a nice
experience for all readers to see what kind of Charlatan you are.

Seyyed.

p.s. before faking a new quote, I suggest that you consult someone who knows
     a little more farsi, because this time I won't spare my time to have
     fun with your words! It's recreation time!
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:14:31 GMT
Organization: Door Prize

In article <1992Oct6.135048.18308@Princeton.EDU> bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi) writes:
>In article <ld22tlINNrff@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>>but seriously, here's another puzzler thats sure to keep our 
>>physicists phizzing:
>>
>>there are three doors.  behind one of the doors is a prize. 
>>
>>you choose a door randomly, say door # 1.  (but dont open it).
>>
>>i open one of the other two doors, say door #2, and show you that 
>>there is no prize behind it.
>>
>>at this point, i give you the choice of changing your mind
>>and picking another door (#3), or staying with your original
>>choice (#1).  
>>
>>question: should you change your mind (pick #3) or stick with your
>>original choice (#1) ?
>>
>>oh yeah... why?
>>
>>hint: dump intuition, side with logic, and the answer
>>shall, ahem, materialize!
>>
>>
>>(for those who know the answer/reason, dont spoil it!)
>
>you pick #3, because the probability for the prize to be there
>is %66 vs %33 for door #1.
>
>behzad
>
>p.s. okay, where is my prize?

The items behind door #2 :-)   [just kidding, just kidding]
Shahrokh is however the final judge and has the real prize for you.

Regards,
Hooshyar
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: What is MKO position on the Islands?
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:06:53 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <BvIovp.92y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>
>Iran has NEVER had a democracy.  Imagine if Iranains did not defend
>this land because there were not democracy, justice, and freedom.
>Then there would not be an IRAN.  The land of Iran is a sacred land
>and defending it is no different than performing a religious duty.
>
>Democracy, justice, freedom, and better living is an internal matter
>that should be settled internally.  When IRAN is confronted with the 
>enemy of IRAN (Saddam is a clear example) then
>
> ALL IRANIANS SHOULD BE UNITED IN DEFENDING THE LAND.
>
>This is our duty as an Iranian.  Iran is alive because of the sacrifices
>of men and women who gave their lives to defend this land so that we 
>enjoy its beauty and utilize its resources.
>
>ANYONE WHO DOUBTS THIS SHOULD REEVALUATE HIS/HER ATTACHMENT TO IRAN
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I don't doubt it , but how is this relevant to mojahedin. If you are trying
to attack Mojahedin, with this article you actually supporting them. 
Because Mojahedin are "Iranians" who are fighting for Democracy of Iran.
At least that is what they are claiming. Plus we have seen tens of
thousands of them executed in Iran for what they believed. 
Let me ask you a question. How come all the hezbollahs and pasdars were
from the uneducated nad fanatic group and almost all Mojahedins are from
highly educated groups like student, teachers, professors of the
universities? 

Here is the answer. Because those hezbollah's have either been brain-washed
using the tool of religions or they were seeking huge benefits that regime
offered them.

>Ala

Ramin
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian

s335025@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au (Sue Khanom) writes:

>Agha Javad:
>I read the book "Not Without My Daughter" and also watched the movie, which
>I thought was poor compared to the book.I agree in the sense that it definitely
>does portray the Islamic society as one of male dominance and aggression - but, 
>isn't that what it is really like?Being born in Iran, raised in the Islamic 
>faith for most of my life really made me realize that it is not a fair and 

I completely understand, and feel the same way.  The laws in post-revolutionary 
Iran clearly give women less rights.  I am not qualified to judge if this is 
inherent in the religion, or in the interpretation of the religion by chauvinist
people.  Unfortunately,the end result is the same, however, and MUST CHANGE.

>desirable religion for me.Betty Mahmoudy went through a very common ordeal that
>many wives of typical, Iranian males go through.I think that the interview that

Again, I am not qualified to pass judgement since I have only my own first-hand 
experiences to go on. There is male dominance in many marriages that I have seen
back home, and then there are some marriages which are truly egalitarian.  The 
funny thing is, contrary to popular opinion, these two groups do not coincide at
all with being eduacted/ having been abroad, etc. or not.  But I CAN say this: 
Although I have noticed abuse, I have never seen or heard of an Iranian wife 
sufferring the extent of brutality that Betty describes in her book, e.g. being 
locked up for days deprived of seeing her daughter, or being severely beaten in 
public, etc. Again, this is just my experience, so I don't know. 

An interesting point is that wife batterring, domestic violence, etc. exist
here in America on an alarming scale, and I don't see this society as
treating women very well on the whole, either.  The main difference, of 
course, is that this society strives for change, whereas ours tends to stay
the same, or even go backward.

>seen as the typical,Iranian male, yet it is true that most Middle-Eastern men
>do adopt that mode of authoritarianship over their families and unfortunately
>it carries through, no matter how much they deny it.I'm glad to see that an
>Iranian born male is able to comprehend the ordeal that Betty Mahmoudy went
>through and maybe this will be a lesson to those who think they know their
>spouses......

Well, as they say, "All generalizations are false.." (just kidding)
Thanks for the complement.  I usually try not to generalize, but I don't doubt 
what you are saying.  I think that if there is a message here, it should be to 
stop denying women their rights and respect as fellow human beings, and stop 
violence against women no matter where it occurs.  Remember, it wasn't long ago,
that women had a much more secondary status even in this society, e.g. they 
couldn't even vote, etc.  In short, my point is that the problem is not with 
just Iranian or middle-eastern men, but men in general. 
>
>Sue (nee Arezoo)
> 
May only the best dairy products come your way,

Agha Javad
(berenj-e-rashti reseed!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: amoojoon@ghahveh.khooneh.mash.yadollAh (Bacheh Morshed)
Subject: Re: I am He, the One...
Organization: naghAl khooneh
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:18:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.203332.21966@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> 
farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:

>In article <1992Oct1.201507.7313@sei.cmu.edu>, psc@sei.cmu.edu 
(Peter Capell) writes:
>|> 
>|> Okay Ramin, sign me up.  My only question is: can we have lots of sex?

>I think this is something private between you and Ramin and
>I do not think ahAli are really interested.   :)

FarhAd jAn,

I'm afraid it's a bit too late now. Peter has already confessed and we're 
anxiously waiting to see what Ramin's fate going to be. Amoo, Morshed, and 
Mash YadollAh will have an emergency meeting to pray for a not-so-passionate 
resolution of Ramin's dilemma. Meanwhile we will be sending a big shipment 
of golgAvzaboon and kAfoor to Peter to protect our ahAli.

movAzeb bAshid,

amoo

p.s. Ramin jAn, we will put a bed in our "pastoo" for you in'case you 
     need to hide for a while!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: vforo@ecst.csuchico.edu (ROMIN)
Subject: Re: Desert man's opinions about me...
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:51:51 GMT


	Desert man, as a matter of fact I find Ramin's atricles very
interesting and enjoyable. To tell the truth it's the only one doesn't
need a "k" in trn. Look at a mirror before u jugde other people on how they
walk, eat, or write article on rn.
 
ROMIN

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: pmohseni@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Farsi Magazines
Summary: Farsi Magazine list
Keywords: magazine
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:29:41 GMT

I know there are a number of publications affiliated with Iranian societies and communities around the world.  I would like to compile a listing of such magazines, newsletters and journals.  If you subscribe to an Iranian publication, please email me the title, subscription rate, address of the publisher and a short summary about the publication (its origin, readers, goals, etc.)

I will post a summary to the news group.

Thank you.

Piroz Mohseni           
Iowa State University     
                        
<pmohseni@iastate.edu>  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 23:47:51 GMT

bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi) writes:
>smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>>
>>  [puzzle deleted]
>>
>>(for those who know the answer/reason, dont spoil it!)
>
>you pick #3, because the probability for the prize to be there
>is %66 vs %33 for door #1.
>
>behzad
>
>p.s. okay, where is my prize?

Behind door #1.     :-)

    --mack

--
She's closing her eyes, then she takes me away,
and she's pulling the strings, when she's playing with love.
She's playing with love.                       --Alphaville
From: moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:18:36 GMT
Subject: Hey, Seyyed Agha- Chill out, man!
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: UAE, Iran resume talks on disputed island
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:42:13 GMT


	ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates (UPI) -- United Arab Emirates (UAE)
and Iranian officials resumed talks Monday to defuse a dispute over
three islands in the world's main oil shipping lanes.
	The two countries are trying to ease tension after Iran's effective
annexation of the island of Abu Musa near the strait of Horumz.
	The UAE submitted a memorandum early in the talks Monday which
demanded that Iran withdraw from Abu Musa and other tiny islands nearby,
the greater and lesser Tunbs, that the former Shah of Iran seized in
1971.
	Sources close to the talks said the UAE was no longer satisfied with
the return of the status quo on Abu Musa where Iran has imposed security
measures that drove away many islanders.
	Iran had so far insisted that Abu Musa was the only item on the table
and played down the dispute.
	``You can say real negotiations have started. I don't know when they
will finish or if they will hold more talks tomorrow. It all depends on
this round,'' one source said.
	The UAE submitted its case on the three islands in a 1980 memorandum
to the U.N. and would seek to rally world opinion behind it in the face
of what it sees as Iran's strong-arm tactics in Abu Musa, the sources
said.
	The dispute, which erupted this year after Iran imposed its own entry
visa restrictions on Abu Musa, has marred the strong ties between the
UAE and its giant neighbor and threatened the oil-rich region with
another crisis.
	In Iran, around 600 Muslim fundamentalist demonstrators from Tehran
University held a rally outside Parliament to insist that Abu Musa would
``belong forever to the Islamic republic.''
	Iran cited security concerns for its actions on Abu Musa, which lies
about 30 miles from the shores of both states and close to the strait of
Hormuz, gateway to the gulf and channel for much of the world oil trade.


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