HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: swanson@cs.cornell.edu (Randall A. Swanson)
Subject: Re: Apple's worst current piece of software
Keywords: Installer System 7.0.1 Hi Density Shit
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:53:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.010932.2469@rice.edu> jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong) writes:
>In article <scott.702363319@mcl> scott@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Scott Bronson) writes:
>>>
>>How the heck does Apple expect anyone to create a boot disk from System 7
>>on a single floppy machine??  Take two hours out of their day and a years'
>>worth of life off of your floppy drive from the wear of hundreds of disk
>>swaps in that two hours' time?  Think I'll buy a DOS box with Windows.  I
>>hear that it only takes an hour to install Windows 3.1, and it couldn't
>>cause near as bad a headache as I've got now.
>>
>I just installed 7.0.1 on a floppy the other day, and while the disk switches
>were somewhat annoying, my experience was not nearly as bad as yours.
>I had to switch disks between 10 and 25 times, and the whole thing took
>less than 15 minutes.  I was using the "minimum system for a IIci"
>script, though.
>


If you boot off of the second disk, Installer 1 rather than Disk Tools, you
should have no problem installing 7.0.1 with 5 disk swaps.  If you boot
from the Disk Tools disk and try it you might as well forget it; this will
take arround 100 swaps depending on memory.

This does all assume that you are installing to a HD.  If you want a bootable
floppy that is a different story.  But why you would even think for tring to
run system 7.0.1 off of a floppy is beyond me.  Certainly if you just need a
disk to boot off of to make repairs and the like make a copy of the Disk Tools
disk which will boot on any mac with a High Density drive.  If you don't have
a high density drive you can boot of a system 6 disk to make repairs.

Randall Swanson


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ben@media.mit.edu (Benjamin Kline Lowengard)
Subject: Re: H-P Deskwriter (Re: Background printing)
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:25:46 GMT

HP does make their own driver and printmonitor for the Deskwriter. The latest
version (I think 2.2) can be used with system 7 and I was told on Monday that
new software should show up soon. This is good because the worst thing about
the Deskwriter is the HP printmonitor (which isn't all that bad considering
your mac drives this printer however under virtual memory prepare for ultra-
slow response from apps if you're printing large documents). I am very 
impressed by the deskwriter C, I hope the software gets better!
Has anyone used this printer with Freedom of the Press?
ben

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Howard Moskovitz <howard@locus.com>
Subject: Printing Problem with System 7 Tuneup
Organization: Locus Computing Corp.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 19:20:28 GMT

I have had an interesting problem when I try to print since I installed
the
System 7 Tuneup. When I print something *sometimes* I get a dialog saying
that I don't have enough memory to print in the background and I'm given
the options to
	a. Try later
	b. Cancel
	c. Print now (in foreground)
Like I said it happens only sometimes. However, when it does happen, for
the 
remainder of that day (or at least that booted session) it continues to 
happen. Other times it doesn't. I have paid attention to what apps are
running
both when it happens and when it doesn't - no help. I have turned my
extensions
off and on - no help. I am at a loss. Someone suggested that I run Disk
First Aid
because they felt my disk was corrupted. The first time I did that it
seemed to
clear the problem for 1 day (DFA actually found and repaired a problem).
The
next time I did it DFA found no problems and the dialog continued to
appear.

Does anyone out there have any ideas about this problem? Have you seen
it? Is
there a solution?

Thanks in advance,
Howard Moskovitz
Locus Computing Corp.
howard@locus.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: lipa@camis.Stanford.EDU (Bill Lipa)
Subject: Re: Installing Network software? Help?
Organization: Stanford School of Medicine
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 00:02:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.223902.26841@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> johnsone@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Erik A. Johnson) writes:
>
>      to an ethernet board and network stuff?  When I try to use the
>      Network control panel, I get a dialog telling me that my Network
>      software has not been installed correctly and that I should go back
>      and reinstall it.

I had this happen after installing the Network Software Installer 1.2 disk.
It went away after I turned on AppleTalk and restarted.

Bill

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: miyazaki@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Takeshi Miyazaki)
Subject: Norton Utilities 2.0
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 04:45:48 GMT


Have anyone got the new version of Norton Utilities? Is it worth
upgrade? 

(I saw a notice below in AOL)

-----------------------

Norton Utilities for Macintosh version 2.0 is available at
a suggested retail price of $149.  Customers who have earlier
versions of Norton Utilities for Macintosh or SUM can upgrade
to version 2.0 for $39 (plus $8 for shipping and handling).
It works with Macintosh Plus and higher with 1MB of RAM, 2MB
of RAM for System 7 and is compatible with System 6.0.4 and
higher.

Norton Utilities for Macintosh version 2.0 is available
through Symantec's global network of distributors and
resellers.  For further information, customers can call (800)
441-7234 or (408) 252-3570.

-- 
Takeshi Miyazaki (miyazaki@ee.princeton.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Bryan J. Blumberg <b_blumberg@macsch.com>
Subject: Re: MountImage can be your enemy...?!? (Re: Please insert this
     disk...)
Organization: Systems Integration Branch
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
     <kuj6nbINNarm@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 16:46:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.113853.17787@fwi.uva.nl> maarten@fwi.uva.nl
(Maarten Carels) wrote:
>werner@rascal.ics.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes:
>
>>	Which leads me to conclude that MountImage (I am using the
>>	version 1.2b1 and know of no later one) is best kept out
>
>I had numerous problems (crashes etc) with 1.2b1. Went back to 1.1b3,
which
>works without problems.
>You have a problem installing the system though. The 1.2b1 has 8 'disks',
>whereas the 1.1 has only 4...
>
>--maarten

Dear maarten,

     I guess Werner and I agree.  I've had no end of trouble
using MountImage 1.2b1 and know of no later one.

     I am impressed that you have an older version that is
more stable, but unfortunately, I don't have it and all of the
usual places only have the new version that causes problems.

========================================
Bryan  J. Blumberg, The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
815 Colorado Boulevard, Los Angeles, California  90041-1777
(213) 259-4914, B_BLUMBERG@MACSCH.COM
From: Apgar@Apple.com (Gar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: INITs and heapsize (was: Disinfectant and Gatekeeper: which first?)
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:07:35 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Apple

In article <MBRAD.92Mar29095630@e40-008-10.mit.edu>, mbrad@athena.mit.edu (Michael R Bradshaw) writes:
> 
> While on the subject of INITS and heapsize, I was wondering if there
> is a better way to divine how much RAM each INIT takes than trial and
> error, rebooting and opening the About this Mac.
> 
> ...
> 
> What programs or methods do others on the net use?
> 

TAA 2.1 from CE Software or NOW Profiler will tell how much RAM
each init asks for.

Apgar@Apple.com                   I said it, NOT Apple.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: System 7 resources
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:14:47 GMT

If anybody has a list of what the various new resources in the System
7 System file actually are, please post or mail to me.  I looked in
IM6, but either it's not in there, or I just didn't find it in the
un-counted pages of that tome.
--
Jurgen Botz                  |   Internet: JBotz@mtholyoke.edu
Academic Systems Consultant  |     Bitnet: JBotz@mhc.bitnet
Mount Holyoke College        |      Voice: (US) 413-538-2375 (daytime)
South Hadley, MA, USA        | Snail Mail: J. Botz, 01075-0629
From: molla@paone.uucp (Levent Mollamustafaoglu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Using foreign fonts with System 7.0.1
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:35:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Apr8.183528.28510
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

I have a curious problem with System 7.0.1. I use foreign fonts
(Turkish) occasionally when I have to write some document in
my own language. I have a Mac Classic II with System 7.0.1
(Tuned-Up) at home and a Mac II ci with the same system con-
figuration in the office.

I put Bitmapped and TrueType versions of the fonts that I
wanted into the system file. Everything seems to be OK, I
can see the Turkish fonts (which have a few additional
characters like c with cedilla-as in French etc.) regard-
less of their being TT or bitmapped. But when I want to
print them (from Word 4.0), the printer (LaserWriter
Plus) prints out the equivalent (strange) symbols from
the English fonts. If I de-select "Substitute Fonts"
from the Page Setup menu, I can get my fonts, but of
course not the Postscript ones, since the system now
creates bitmapped version of the fonts, which are 
terrible.

I use the latest version of the Laserwriter driver
(7.1.1) with the LaserWriter Plus.

One thing I wonder is whether I should disable font
definitions from the ROM via the ROv# resources.

Does anybody have any idea about the solution to this
problem? Thanks in advance for any suggestions.


===========================================================================
Dr. Levent Mollamustafaoglu       Harvard University    
molla@paone.harvard.edu    molla@metatron.harvard.edu
===========================================================================
From: Apgar@Apple.com (Gar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: installing the tuner, am I just a bonehead or what?
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:21:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple

As it says in the read me, installing by hand is fine as long as you restart.

Apgar@Apple.com                   I said it, NOT Apple.

In article <1992Apr9.034814.13822@midway.uchicago.edu>, pmb2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Peter Bell) writes:
> 
> So, I stopped in to apple com last night and picked up the new tuner.
> 
> I have been following the conversation about making minimal systems, 
> loading the installation disk image into a RAMdisk, etc for a bit now;
> I brought over the .hqx file that was not an image.  
> 
> Once I debinhexed and unstuffed it, I had an installer and I had a folder 
> called tuneup items.  In the folder was the tuner, the stylewriter driver,
> the chooser, and a couple of other things.  I booted off a floppy, 
> checked my harddrive out, and just installed the items I wanted by hand,
> since I hate using the installer, and I thought I would just see what happened.
> 
> When I do the about this Mac in the finder, I get told that I am using 
> sys7 and I have the little bullet;  the chooser and stylewriter driver
> seem to both work fine.  
> 
> Did I need to actually use the installer to get the tuneup installed?  
> It seems that it installed fine by hand, but there has been such a long
> conversation about using the installer that I am concerned that I might
> have needed to use it for some opaque reason....
> 
> thanks!
> 
> Peter
> 
>
From: Mike_Steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Norton Utilities 2.0
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:38:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Claris Corporation

In article <8138@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul) writes:
> 
> Takeshi Miyazaki writes
> + 
> + Have anyone got the new version of Norton Utilities? Is it worth
> + upgrade? 
> + 
> + (I saw a notice below in AOL)
> + 
> + -----------------------
> + 
> + Norton Utilities for Macintosh version 2.0 is available at
> + a suggested retail price of $149.  Customers who have earlier
> + versions of Norton Utilities for Macintosh or SUM can upgrade
> + to version 2.0 for $39 (plus $8 for shipping and handling).
> + It works with Macintosh Plus and higher with 1MB of RAM, 2MB
> + of RAM for System 7 and is compatible with System 6.0.4 and
> + higher.
> 
> Does this mean it's available (now or soon)? I *just* bought
> NU 1.1.2 - as in 4 days ago. We'll see if I have to pay for 
> the upgrade....

I just called them; it won't be out for "a few more weeks."
From: sietze@tardis.et.tudelft.nl (;Sietze Schukking)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: How to convince Mac+ it has 6-meg of RAM ?????????
Keywords: Mac+, RAM, 6-meg
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:03:22 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering

Hello, again yesterday I posted the following message and got some responces
by mail and saw a follow up which pointed out that i probably did not make
myself clear enough, this was the original posting:


In article <1992Apr09.100610.20514@donau.et.tudelft.nl>, sietze@tardis.et.tudelft.nl (;Sietze Schukking) writes:
|> Hello, I have a question:
|> 
|> What software must be patched and how to tell a Mac+ that
|> it has more than 4meg of RAM.
|> The Ram is placed for example between 6 and 8 megabytes,
|> the hardware is no problem, there is room and i can do that,
|> but to use it the software must be patched by an INIT (EX) or
|> program or something.
|> 
|> So can anybody tell me if this has been done before or
|> what one has to do to get this working.
|> 
|> Many thanks
|> 
|> Sietze Schukking
|> 
|> sietze@tardis.et.tudelft.nl
|> 
|> 
Well I know the SIMM sockets only except 256kb and  1Mb SIMM's, so maximum
is 4Mb regular. But the address space of the MC68000 processor is 16Mbytes,
partly this is occupied by memory and other peripherals. I have experience
with this hardware as i made a memory extention board to extend my 512KE to
4Mbyte and you can add a memory expansion board to the processor rather
simply. This board would for example insert 2 megB of RAM between address
6meg and 8meg.

So now the problem again what must i do to let the Mac+ use it?

Somebody suggested something like patching some kind of free memory structure
to fake the system into believing it got 8megByte of memory with a non
relocatable block between 4meg and 6meg ( where the ROM's and SCSI are located)

I think it is possible (in hardware) to extend the memory configuration of a
Mac+ to 7,5 megB.

As you can see I am a hardware person and not to deep into software so please
help me out.

Thanks again

Sietze Schukking

sietze@tardis.et.tudelft.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: smanelis@sugaku.claremont.edu (Scott Manelis)
Subject: Re: Is there a list of 32-Bit compatible/non-compatible programs available on Internet?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 20:52:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.172328.15132@spectrum.xerox.com>  
mhend@finmaster.xsquare.roch.xerox.com (Marissa Henderson) writes:
> 
> I recently added 4  4 meg SIMMs to my IIFX to bring the total memory capacity  
to 20 meg.
> 
> However, when I went to use ResEdit, it bombed.  If I turn off the 32-Bit  
addressing, reboot and try ResEdit again, it works.
> 
> I assume ResEdit is not 32-Bit compatible, but what are the other  
applications that are not 32-Bit clean?
> 

ResEdit is 32-bit clean in version 2.1.x.

> If someone could point me to an FTP-able site where such a list already  
exists, I would appreciate it!

You can pick up the new version of ResEdit at ftp.apple.com @ 130.43.2.3.  As  
for a list of 32-bit happy programs, I think MacUser has run a couple of lists  
in their mag.
From: glenn@gla-aux.uucp (Glenn Austin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Two Network Problems
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 14:47:47 PST
Organization: The Pit Lane
Reply-To: glenn%gla-aux.uucp@skinner.cs.uoregon.edu
Distribution: comp
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <1992Apr7.180151.17355@infonode.ingr.com> (comp.sys.mac.system), tappek@infonode.ingr.com (J. Kurt Tappe) writes:
> I have two problems here, both of which happen to relate to networking:
> 
> 1) For some reason, I could not enable file sharing on my Mac this morning.
>    When I click the "Start" button in the "Sharing Setup" control panel,
>    it tries to start up and then dies.  The error message is a terse
>    "File sharing could not be enabled."  Gee, thanks; how descriptive.
>    I've replaced the File Sharing extension (with the one from Tune-up
>    1.1), and all three control panels that have anything to do with
>    networking.  No luck.  Anyone know of any reason why it wouldn't
>    be able to start up?

Delete the "AppleShare PDS" file from every drive.  Somehow this file
occasionally gets corrupted.  Make sure to double-check all the privledges...

===============================================================================
| Glenn L. Austin                | "Turn too soon, run out of room.           |
| Macintosh Wizard and           |    Turn too late, much better fate."       |
| Auto Racing Driver             |   -- Jim Russell Racing School Instructors |
| Usenet:  glenn@gla-aux.uucp or glenn%gla-aux.uucp@skinner.cs.uoregon.edu    |
===============================================================================
From: rhessjr@darkside.com (Robert Hess)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Request for Information
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:15:22 GMT
Organization: Independent Consultant

In preparation for an article, I'd like to poll those of you using
AFP-compliant file servers on UNIX-based machines for your feedback.

What hardward/software are you running? Why did you choose the system you're
using rather than a Mac-based file server? How many people are you serving?
How hard has maintenance been (have you hired an individual to maintain your
Macs and your UNIX box)? What has response been like (both on the network and
from your users)? What issues have you not seen handled by the Mac media which
would interest you?

Please respond via email!

Robert Hess
Internet: rhessjr@darkside.com -or- 74660.612@compuserve.com
CompuServe: 74660, 612
America Online: RHessJr
AppleLink: ENDPOINT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jan3@po.CWRU.Edu (James A. Nauer)
Subject: HELP How to hack HD SC Setup for non-Apple drives?
Reply-To: jan3@po.CWRU.Edu (James A. Nauer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 22:54:02 GMT


[Apologies if this posted multiple times; the orginal seems to have
vanished on its way to the local news server...]

I have a Quadra 900 server[160 MB HD, 8MB RAM, AppleShare 3.0] with a brand-
new Quantum PRO425S hard disk. Due to some bureaucratic f***-ups, the drive
was ordered without any formatting/driver software. Seeing as how the server
ran out of disk space several weeks ago, I'd like to get the #$@#! thing
formatted & running Real Soon(tm), without mucking around for another 3 weeks
just to procure a copy of SilverLining--so I'd like to convince the Apple HD
SC Setup program to format it & install the Apple driver.

I recall that something was posted hereabouts last year on how to Resedit a
copy of HD SC Setup to format non-Apple drives & Apple drives that had been
SilverLining-ed. Could someone repost the info, or e-mail it to me??

Thanks in Advance,
  --Jim
-- 
Jim Nauer (jan3@po.cwru.edu) | "We apologize for the inconvenience."
Microcomputer Lab Supervisor |   --God's final message to His creation,   
CWRU                         |     in _So Long, And Thanks for All the Fish_
(216) 368-6227               |        -- Douglas Adams
From: l26@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: DLS CDEV and D. Grant Leeper?
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:04:25 EST
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

Do you know Mr. Leeper?


Our department is considering using his 1989 freeware CDEV "DLS" (whichncerned
about system 7 compatability.

The CDEV only lists his name, but no other method of reaching him. Can you pass
on a way of contacting him to me? Thanks.

Larry
From: agm@bnr.co.uk (Andrew G. Minter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: 4Mb Mac SE + 7.0.1 = 1 bit Quickdraw?!
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:05:20 GMT
Reply-To: agm@bnr.co.uk (Andrew G. Minter)
Organization: BNR Europe Limited

I have just installed System 7.0.1 on a 4MB SE only to find that 32-bit
QuickDraw doesn't seem to be present.  In the past I have put System 7
on SE/30's (which also have 1-bit QuickDraw in ROM) to find the 32-bit
version patched in.  Doesn't System 7 necessarily imply 32-bit QuickDraw??

This probably isn't relevant, but I installed the system on the SE by
mounting the SE's external Frog 100e drive on a IIci and running the
installer on my set of 1.44Mb 7.0.1 disks.

Does anybody out there know what's going on?

Many thanks, Andrew
From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: B & W Startup Screens on Color Monitor
Keywords: pram variable, micron exceed card, SE/30
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:23:26 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Washington State University

I have an SE/30 with a Micron Exceed card driving a Seiko monitor.  If
I carry the SE off by itself and run in B&W on the small screen, when
I return to the home site and hook the color monitor back in, my
startup screen is in B&W, instead of color.  All other aspects are
unchanged.

I suspect something in PRAM has gotten reset, since erasing PRAM is
the only way I've found to return to color startup screens.

Anyone know how to take care of this shy of erasing PRAM?
---------
Jeff Parke jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu  or ...uunet!wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu!jeffp
CIS: 71511,1512  AOL: JeffParke  [Wash. State University College of Vet. Med.]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: edcrwfrd@unlv.edu (Edward Crawford)
Subject: Re: MAC Trivia
Organization: UNLV
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 21:54:20 GMT

Around the time of the introduction of the II si  that the S stood for
"Sleek," I cant remember where I heard that from...

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: tappek@infonode.ingr.com (J. Kurt Tappe)
Subject: Re: FONTS. HEEEEAAAALP!!
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:27:00 GMT

stevewi@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Steve Witten) writes:

>John Galidakis writes:

>>Then, why the #@%$% are these files called Printer font
>>files?

>Dunno... call Adobe and ask.

Because they are the files that are downloaded to the printer by the 
LaserWriter driver if the fonts are not found in the printer's ROMs or
Hard Drive.  Their downloadability is their PRIMARY function; serving as
ATM source is secondary.  These files have been around since before ATM
even existed.  Thus, they are _Printer_ font files.

-Kurt
From: gest_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Gavin Stark)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Difference between pre-7.0 LaserPrep and 7.0?
Date: 6 Apr 92 01:55:16 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


Can anyone point me to, or provide me with, a description of the differences
in LaserPreps of pre-7.0 era with the 7.0 prep?  


Gavin Stark

--
_______________________________________________________________________________
Gavin Stark          gest_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu      University of Rochester
"But alienation's for the rich and I'm a-feelin' poorer every day." - TMBG
From: bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Flaming the cross-posters!
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:49:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: St. Mary's College of Maryland

*Flame on:

Sure, lots of things are interesting to the whole Mac community, but does
*EVERYBODY* have to post *EVERYTHING* to comp.mac.sys, .apps, and .misc
???!!!???  It's not just one more subject line to read, it's bandwidth, and not
knowing where to continue a thread, and, and, and ...


*Flame off. 


					-W2