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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:17:00 CST
From:         BAER@MACALSTR.EDU
Subject:      life of buildings

I post this to C18-L pursuant to Kevin's request.  I probably
do not have to add that the Golding novel resounds against the
extensive attention given to the preservation of Salisbury during
the Restoration and the early decades of the 18th century,
especially as regards the dangerous inclination of the spire.


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Subj:   the life of buildings

I suggest your colleague read William Golding's THE SPIRE, a
brilliant novel about the building of the spire atop a great
medieval cathedral.  Golding herein creates a fiction inspired
(!) by the genesis of Salisbury Cathedral.  His focus is on the
terrible price that the designer and the Church must pay for this
glorious expression of Christian faith and ambition.  The novel
adds to an already rich history of the flawed but awesome
architectural masterpiece.  Golding taught public school in
Salisbury and had brooded much over the life of the Cathedral.

One should read also Roy Spring's volume on Salisbury Cathedral
in the New Bell Cathedral Guide series, London, 1987.  Spring
occupies the august position of "Keeper of the Fabric" of the
Cathedral, the very same position that the central figure in
Golding's novel has.

Joel Baer
Macalester College
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Dr. Art St. Georgre at the University of New Mexico and Dr. Ron Larsen
at the University of Maryland maintain a guide called "Internet - Accessible
Library Catalogs and Databases."  It contains information on how to connect
with over 100 online library catalogs in this country and abroad.  It is
available from several listservs, including LISTSERV@UNMVM and can be
retrieved by sending the command GET INTERNET LIBRARY.

Peter Hirtle, National Library of Medicine, hirtle@nlm.nih.gov
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:32:45 -0400
From:         JACKSON1@HUSC.BITNET
Subject:      Paul and Virginia

Dear List-Members:
                  I have just read J.H. Bernadin de St-Pierre's delightful
primitivist novel, _Paul and Virginia_ and not being a French literature
scholar, I am wondering whether someone could recommend any critical works
(preferably in English) on St-Pierre and his novel.  Thank you.

Leon Jackson
Harvard University

Internet: jackson1@husc.harvard.edu
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From:         SNARA@IRISHMVS.BITNET
Subject:      Slavery and the Bible

I'm looking for any literature on pro-slavery arguments based on the Bible.
I've heard that such arguments were fairly common in the US; did they also
appear elsewhere?  Any leads on literature will be much appreciated.
Please respond to me directly, if you can.
Steve Naragon / Dept. of Philosophy / Manchester College
SNARA@IRISHMVS.CC.ND.EDU
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Subject: Re: Slavery and the Bible

Dear Leon,
Thanks so much for the prompt aid.  I've got an interlibrary loan
card off to the library for the Jordan work.
Steve Naragon
Manchester College
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Subject:      Re: ANNOUNCING A NEW SOCIETY (18th-C American Studies)

Re the new American Soc. for 18th-C. studies: would it perhaps be a good
idea to expand the scope to include 16th and 17th Centuries?

--Bob Dawson
UTx-Austin
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:59:50 EDT
From:         "T.E.D. Braun" <braun@BRAHMS.UDEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The key to the enigma

Dear Phil,

Actually, this is not properly a response to the above-named missive,
but to the letter I just received.  As you see, I do have an e-mail
address, and I am on Kevin Berland's network.

I will be able to send you a diskette (WP5.1) with the address list that
I have; you will have to tinker with the programming of it, because
although I was able to generate labels with it, it took some tomfoolery
on my part, and maybe I messed the whole thing up.

Merrick's position seems closer to mine than does the one that you and
Josue Harari favor; I still think that adding a French day, or a very
strong French experience, to an already-existing program is the way to
go, as I tried to say before the group as a whole and within the
committee.  In any case, affiliate status, which would guarantee the
autonomy of the French group and also maintain a strong ASECS presence
for it, is a flexible enough solution to permit us to move in whichever
way we wished to go, including perhaps both at the same time!

I note by your letter that you prefer Philip to Phil, and will adjust my
address for the future.

All the best,

Ted
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:08:13 -0400
From:         Germaine Warkentin <warkent@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Unknown lines of verse.

I'm in the last phases of editing my Exploration Anthology, and
I've come across a quotation from some 18th century verse which I
don't recognize.  It's possible that I am just dumb and it's something
famous, but a learned friend thinks not.  Does anyone recognize these
lines?

        Peace to the ashes, and the virtuous mind,
        Of her who lived in peace with all mankind;
        Learn'd from the heart, unknowing of disguise,
        Truth in her thoughts, and candour in her eyes;
        Stranger alike to envy and to pride,
        Good sense her light, and nature all her guide;
        But now removed from all the ills of life,
        Here rests the pleasing friend and faithful wife.

 Anyone who can help will make me grateful, likewise my publisher,
 and doubtless also the spirits of Samuel Hearne, Mary Norton (his
 country wife, whose death he was lamenting) and the poet in question.

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Germaine Warkentin                                     warkent@epas.utoronto.ca
English, Victoria College, University of Toronto
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Subject:      Internet accessible library catalogs

Mark Resmer, Sonoma State University, has written a progam that
is installed on Macalester's Vax system for dialing up all the
available library catalogs, foreign and domestic.  His program,
INTERNET ACCESS SOFTWARE V1.4, is based on data collected by Art
St. George and others and is up to date as of April 1992.  This
program greatly simplifies the process of logging on to the
catalogs.
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From:         Heyward Ehrlich <ehrlich@ANDROMEDA.RUTGERS.EDU>
Subject:      MICHAEL HART: Apr 28 NEACH Meeting

                       An Invitation from NEACH:
          Northeast Association For Computers and the Humanities
                (Please forgive any multiple postings.)

    The Northeast Association for Computers and the Humanities invites
you to Room 25A of the IBM Building, 590 Madison Avenue at 57th Street
in New York City on Tuesday,  APRIL 28, 1992, at 1:30 p.m. to hear Prof.
MICHAEL HART discuss the GUTENBERG ELECTRONIC TEXT PROJECT to collect
and distribute a large number of literary and humanistic texts in
electronic form.  (This meeting was previously scheduled for May 12 and
then for May 5.)

     The announced goal of the Gutenberg project is "to create and
distribute ten thousand etexts, to a predicted audience of one hundred
million computer users by the end of the year 2001."   Prof. Hart will
discuss and illustrate issues of text selection, copyright, public
domain status, typeface representation in electronic text, text
markup, distribution and duplication, downloading, and providing user
support.  Michael S. Hart is Professor of Electronic Text and
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext at Illinois Benedictine
College in Lisle, Illinois.  Don't miss this unusual presentation,
which will be the final NEACH meeting for 1991-1992.

    NEACH Program Calendar for 1991-1992:

Wed. Oct. 9    Humanist & Women Writers Proj.  Elaine Brennan, Humanist
Tues. Nov 12   The Writer's PC: New Horizons   Judith Glassman, ex-Wolff
Wed. Dec. 11   Center for Electronic Texts     Susan Hockey, CETH
Tues. Jan. 21  Global Network Resources        Mary Sproule, Princeton
Wed. Feb. 12   Managing Textual Variants       F. W. Wilson, Morgan Library
Tues. Mar. 10  Poetry & Natural Lang. Proc.    Mary Dee Harris, Language Tech.
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    All NEACH meetings are free and open to the public.  Ask at the
desk when you enter the IBM Building for a pass to NEACH or
HUMANITIES.  NEACH disks are available only at meetings.
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Subject:      Lists of Anglo-American Settlers in Spanish Louisiana

    I came out last year with a book, Anglo-Americans in Spanish Archives,
which has the names of about 7,000 Anglo-American settlers, arranged in
tabular format by state plus associated data (i.e. places of residence,
dates, occupations, etc.) for Mobile, Pensacola, Baton Rouge, Natchez,
New Madrid and other localities of Spanish Louisiana in what is almost
entirely years of the eighteenth century (there is some very early
19th century material).  There is also a chapter giving guidance to
finding more data in relevant Spanish archives.  Because it came out as
"a contribution to American genealogy", it was perhaps not noticed by
many on this listserv.  But it obviously has other uses, or at least I like
to think so!  For further information the publisher has a toll free number:
1-800-727-6687.

                  Lawrence H. Feldman
                  12FELDMAN@CUAVAX
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From:         Oliver Berghof <oberghof@ORION.OAC.UCI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: QUERY: The Molyneux Problem
              10 Apr 92 10:44:29 EDT." <199204101515.AA17796@orion.oac.uci.edu>

As far as literature up to 1984 you might want to consult:

R. Brandt: Historical Observations on the Genesis
           of the Three-dimensional Optical Picture
           (Gassendi, Locke, Berkeley).
           in: Ratio 17, 176-190

J.W. Davies: The Molyneux-Problem.
             in: Journal of the History of Ideas 21 (1960),
                 392-408

M.J. Morgan: Molyneux's Question. Vision, Touch, and the
             Philosophy of Perception.
             Cambridge 1977.

D. Park: Locke and Berkeley on the Molyneux Problem.
         J. Hist. Ideas 30 (1969), 253-260.

JJ. Thomson: Molyneux's Problem.
             The Journal of Philosophy 71 (1974), 637-650.

C.M. Turbane: Berkeley and Molyneux on Retinal Images.
              J.Hist. Ideas 16 (1955), 339-355.

G.N.A. Vesey: Berkeley and the Man Born Blind.
              Proc. Arist. Soc. 61 (1960/1961), 189-206.


As Bob Dawson already pointed out, the debate continued
in France; one of the books you might want to look at
for this is Jean-Bernard Merian (1723-1803): Sur le
probleme de Molyneux. Paris (Flammarion), 1984 (I believe).
Others should be Voltaire's Elements de la philosophie de
Newton (1738), and Condillac's Essai, as well as his Traite
des Sensations.

Molyneux himself published in 1692, shortly before he sent
his notorious letter to Locke at the end of March 1693, a
treatise on thte usefulness of conveex and concave _spherick
glasses_, which he called >Dioptrica nova<.

There's also the biography by J.G. Simms: William Molyneux of
Dublin. Blackrock: (Irish Academic Press) c1982.

-----

Now I just wish someone else would take the time and write
a short guide to telnetting library catalogues and put it
on the fileserver !


--
Oliver Berghof
oberghof@orion.oac.uci.edu
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              12 Apr 1992 12:14:27 EDT
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Subject:      [Was Re: QUERY: The Molyneux Problem] Now: Fileserver Files

Robin Kornman asks how to read a file garnered from our fileserver.  Alas,
because many institutions use many different kinds of mail-handling programs,
I cannot tell how it works at PUCC, or at most locations.  There is usually a
postmaster or Sysop at each place, or an on-line consultant, who would be
better able to explain who to sort out such problems.

The suggestion that we store a file about access to library catalogues via
Internet is a good one.  Any volunteers?

Kevin Berland for C18-L
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Subject:      Call for papers: Aphra Behn Society

                       CALL FOR PAPERS
                   The Aphra Behn Society
                   Fourth  Annual Meeting
                    September 24-5, 1993
                 University of Southern Maine

                  "Before, During and After:
             Reading the 18th Century in Context"

The Aphra Behn Society welcomes proposals for panels and/or papers that
deal with:  1) Early literary influences on 18th-century women writers
and/or representations of gender;  2) Gender and 18th-century appropria-
tions of the past;  3) and the 18th century's influence on subsequent
women writers and representations of gender.

Send proposals to:  Professor Lucinda Cole
                    Department of English
                    University of Southern Maine
                    Portland, ME 04103

Proposal deadline:  February 1, 1993.
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Subject:      NEW ON THE FILESERVER

Two "new" items have been placed on the fileserver.  The first consists of
instructions for accessing U.K. library catalogues, via JANET, from North
American net sites.  The file (not too long) actually comes from C18-L's
old archives; it was originally contributed by Joel Baer.  It's called
JANET HOWTO (so, to get it, send an interactive message to LISTSERV@PSUVM
telling it to GET JANET HOWTO C18-L -- or, if you're in the other domain,
send a note to LISTSERV@PSUVM.PSU.EDU & leave the subject line blank &
tell it just the same message: GET JANET HOWTO C18-L  -- and I think that
should work.

The second is a longer file, consisting of all the Notes and Queries from
our first year (actually 3/4 year) of operations.  I intend (in my spare
time) to do one of these for each year, and index them. This file is
called NQ 90 -- and you can get it pretty much the same way...

For a list of all fileserver files, TELL LISTSERV@PSUVM INDEX C18-L.

We'd welcome other useful tips, e-texts, and course syllabi.

P.S. -- still soliciting contributions for the April posting of "RECENT
READINGS IN 18TH-CENTURY STUDIES" -- especially needed are Spanish,
Portuguese, German, Eastern-European, and Asian entries, as well as
other things we don't see enough of here...

Kevin Berland for C18-L
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Subject:      QUERY: The Molyneux Problem

[This query is crospposted from the PHILOSOP list; as usual, we ask that
you respond directly to the message's originator, since there is no
guarantee that the inquirer reads C18-L -- but please feel free to send a
copy of your response to C18-L, because some of use would probably like
to know...  -- KB]

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From:         C894HUP <C894HUP@SEMOVM>
Subject:      The Molyneux Problem
To:           "<K.J.H. Berland>" <BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET>

In the Essay, Locke introduces the `Molyneux Problem':could someone
who has gained their sight visually distinguish objects previously
distinguished only by touch? Locke's reply is a decisive `Not.'
(shades of Wayne's World!!)
  Aaron mentions the problem, notes Leibniz's response and cites
the work of Gregory. Gregory's discussion in The Oxford Companion
to the Mind is essentially a condensed version of his account in
The Eye and the Brain and suggests that observation (he gives a
number of interesting case studies) fails to support Locke`s
answer.
  I`ve cast around for any other commentaries on this problem but
have failed to find any (our library resources leave a great deal
to be desired). Does anyone know of any other discussions in the
philosophical or psychological literature?
  Many thanks,
Steven French
Southeast Missouri State University
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Subject:      Re: Revolt in ASECS?

     From your friendly neighbourhood listowner, editor, factotum &c.:
Whenever a message such as Bob Dawson's -- requesting subscription
information -- appears on the list itself, I simply "subscribe" them,
rather than posting the information on the list itself or sending a
message to the inquirer -- and certainly I don't Reply to the list.
Much silent management goes on...
     Quite often List subscribers respond to C18-L postings as if they
were personal messages, sometimes with puzzling results.  I know nothing
of a revolt within ASECS, but then I'm certainly not intimate with the
corridors of power (such as they are) and am often the last to know a
good piece of gossip.  Perhaps there is somebody on the net who can let
us know what's going on -- the formation of a new group, or a revolt, or
both.  Though C18-L is an autonomous (and international) community, we
have a friendly relationship with ASECS; the current President, Paula
Backscheider, and the Past-President, Jane Perry-Camp (I haven't hastened
the transition, have I?), and the Executive Secretary the mighty Ed Harris,
are all subscribers.  Maybe one of these folks, or somebody knowledgeable
about new groupings or lists could clarify???

Yours in peace and harmony,
Kevin Berland, C18-L "owner" or ownee, depending on perspective
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Subject:      ANNOUNCING A NEW SOCIETY (18th-C American Studies)

Anyone interested in early American studies is invited to join The
Society for Eighteenth-Century American Studies (SECAS).  Please send
your name and address to: Professor Rosalie Murphy-Baum, Department of
English, University of South Florida, 4202 East Fowler Avenue, CPR 107,
Tampa, Florida.
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Subject:      Re: Subscribing

Which group  are you referring to? The bulletin board on-line (that
would be FRANCEHS)The ASECS revolt in French studies (in the
works)?
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From:         GREETINGS FROM AUGGIE <TODD@GUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Gulliver & Monsters

As chance would have it, I have a 70 page piece on
Bartholomew Fair monsters in Gulliver--"The Hairy Maid
at the Harpsicord: Some Speculations on the Meaning
of Gulliver's Travels"--that I have just turned in the
proofs for, for TSLL, though the actual volume might not
be in print until summer. If your student is in a hurry,
I'd be happy to send him/her a copy of the typescript.
Drop a note to:

        Dennis Todd
        Department of English
        Georgetown University
        Washington, D. C.  20057
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Subject:      Subscribing

I would like to join your group. How do I do that?

Thank you.

--Bob Dawson
French-Italian
UTx-Austin
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From:         "Robert F. Bode" <RFB8135@TNTECH.BITNET>
Subject:      Revolt in ASECS?

I (along with everyone else, I suppose) got a request for information to
subscribe and a reply asking if the writer wished to subscribe to the ASECS
Revolt group FRANCEHSinstead of the information one would normally expect to
flow out from C18-L.  I have two questions:

1.  What is going on?  Is there some sort of revolt against ASECS in
progress?

2.  What prompted the reply sent in place of the expected subscription
information?  Is there an undercurrent here known to a few but invisible to
the many?

I edit the Newsletter for a regional affiliate of ASECS (South Central) and
would like to keep our members current on this topic, if it exists.

If you don't care to reply to the list, please reply to me directly.

Bob Bode
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