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From: lum@cs.tu-berlin.de (Lutz Hofmann)
Subject: Liegerad (was: Re: logos ...)
Keywords: bicycle logos
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:23:09 GMT

Hier zwei Versuche:

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   _o  _*_
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Gruesse   Lutz Hofmann
          lum@cs.tu-berlin.de


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From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: traffic rules (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:39:05 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
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In article <1992Aug31.194214.21501@galois.mit.edu>, robertb@tarski.mit.edu (Robert Becker) writes:

|> Hi.  You forget that it's illegal to ride a bicycle on virtually all, if
|> not all, highways in MA.  Thus the likelihood of happening upon a car
|> going 55 is reduced.  Usually car speeds are maximum 40.

This isn't true.  About the only places in MA that you're not allowed
to ride a bicycle are the Mass Turnpike, interstate highways, and
a few limited-access urban highways like Route 1 in Chelsea/Everett/Revere
and Storrow Drive.

There are many, many rural and suburban highways with 55 mile-per-hour speed
limits that you can ride a bicycle on.

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
From: chrisv@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: extinction (was: Re: Saddle sores)
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.tech
Date: 1 Sep 1992 22:59:45 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: chrisv@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
NNTP-Posting-Host: carnival.lbl.gov

In defense of friction shifting john.t.erhardt writes:
>Ok fine what if your out riding and you drivetrain isn't up to par.
>Are you going to go right home and fix it then continue your ride?
>No, your going to put it in friction mode and keep riding.

This chestnut has been around for a while.  Certainly I took it for
granted.

But in two years of riding various different bikes, all with indexing,
and riding with many people using indexing, the only times I or my riding
companions used the friction option were when it was first installed 
and set up wrong; rather than fuss with it, and because we were accustomed
to friction, we'd use that.  But I have yet to see anyone need it to get home.

>This is why I would never get STI shifters.  There's no friction option.
>If those things aren't set just right all the time, you can't ride.
No, they just make noise and don't shift very well.  Kind of like
friction is all the time :-)  Ok, that was a cheap shot.

I've yet to see anyone unable to complete a ride because they had no 
friction option.  Certainly it seems plausible, but in actual fact
it seems to be a very unusual failure mode.  You need a failure that
significantly changes the cable-throw of the derailleur, yet leaves it 
functional.  I've never seen that happen: you're far more likely to break
the cable or rip off the derailleur.

>I don't know if Campy's Ergo levers have friction.
They don't.  Neither do Mavic downtube levers.

> Wheel from neutral support
That's a circumstance where I suppose friction might be useful.  But the
bottom line is, in these days of 6/7/8 speed cassetes/freewheels with varying
spacing, somebody else's rear wheel is never very likely to work worth a damn
anyway.  Anyone who does a full stand-up hell-for-leather sprint on a
questionable rear wheel will probably get what they deserve.

Cost and weight are big enough deterents for me against STI.  For the
moment.

(In an effort be a good citizen, I've directed followups to wreck.bike.tech)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Hybrid Bikes?
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 23:04:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

(Harry Phinney tells lots of significant stuff about cyclocross bikes)

Although cyclocross bikes are ridden in bad terrain they are mostly
carried in rough terrain and so are built extremely lightly.

Mountain bikes not only have the advantage in rough descents, but
also anywhere else where good handling during speedy rough terrain
is necessary. Those who win in cyclocross races are generally those
who are most efficient and effective at getting on and off of the
bike with the least time and motion lost.

Road bikes, especially those with 27 x 1 1/4" tires, can be ridden
practically any place that you can ride a mountain bike. They are
at a severe disadvantage where ever traction or descending is
required.

Hybrids are _not_ mountain bikes. However, not many mountain
bikes are used in the severe terrain and heavy usage that the
mountain bike is designed for. In these cases the 'citybike' or
the many hybrid variations are interesting and can be a an
intelligent buy.

After a tour on my Raleigh Kodiak, the first hybrid, I have
become a believer in hybrids. While I ride a mountainbike
in the mountain trails and a road bike on the roads, there
really is a place for a hybrid for a general purpose knock
around on rough city streets, mild offroad use or loaded touring.

And along the last lines I can't recommend the Bruce Gordon
Rock and Road Touring enough. I'll eventually buy one and
put a Shimano XTR group on it. :-) It'll be like Liz Taylor's
giant diamond -- so fancy you'll hate to wear it. :-)

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: Re: painful groins - relief needed
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: SMIS, Massey University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 04:57:36 GMT

glpal@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Piers Larcombe) wrote:
 
> This has got to be a common complaint.!
> OK - tropical or warm climate, 10-20 km riding every day,
> Fair bit of sweating.  You get the picture.
> 
> Result = sore groin (male).

When I suffered from this, it turned out to be a fungal infection.  A
powerful fungicide will kill the fungii within a week (you can keep riding,
but as others have said, wash your shorts after every ride.)  In my case,
although the fungus was killed, the symptoms remained, and a hydrocortisone
cream cleared them up.

The fungicide I was prescribed was Pevaryl, which you should be able to get
from a Chemist in Australia.  I think it's about the most powerful
fungicide available over the counter in NZ.  It works well for athelete's
foot as well.

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Phil Etheridge               P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Macintosh Consultant         Phone: +64+6-356-9099 x8689
SMIS, Massey University      Fax:   +64+6-350-5611
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From: blp@cypress.com (Bruce Prickett/PROM)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: MTB: Re: Frequency of flats
Summary: Trade-offs for different hazards?
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:12:10 GMT
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA

in <1992Sep2.231753.21001@mercury.unt.edu>  

Bruce (jackson@.cs.unt.edu)  (Not me, the other Bruce) writes:

>I also use tire liners in my commute bike and measure the periods
>between flats in the years on it.  I noticed the increase in
>rolling resistance very easily after installing tire liners.  The
>additional weight was also quite noticeable.  The tradeoff was still
>very favorable for commuting.

Both my wife and I use tire liners and fat slicks on our commute bikes,
but we get very different results: I ride always on roads, and get very
few flats (1 in the last year). My main hazards are glass and potholes.
My wife rides over a section of gravel road that appears to be....

	AN ANTI-BICYCLE MINEFIELD !!!!

Specifically, she was picking up thorns that went right through the tread
AND the tuffy tire liners, and had continuous leaks. I just put the
Specialized Airlock Inner tubes on her bike this weekend, and I picked
out 5 thorns that had penetrated the tuffy liner on each wheel. The liners help some,
since there were > 10 thorns in each tire casing. (if you are wondering
why >I< was doing this, she had a wreck Friday and felt like being pampered :-)  )

The question I have is: What are the best approaches for different road hazards?
My impression is:

Potholes:	Fat Tires

Glass:		Tire Liners, but what about Kevlar belts?

Thorns:		inner tubes with sealing gunk (like the Airlock)

I'm most curious about Kevlar verses Tire liners. Any Comments?

	Bruce Prickett
	blp@cypress.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Subject: Re: Florida State Bike cops
Keywords: cops
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:14:23 GMT

jblaine@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu writes:
| [FSU is now using bike cops in addition to its cruisers...]

Here at Texas A&M, we have many streets on campus. The problem is, none
of them connect together in a coherent manner.  That's not a joke.

One of our traffic problems, in addition to the lousy street layout,
is that people park their cars on the streets, reserved spots, etc.
This is a *great* place for the traffic & parking people (PTTS) to
make some dough -- like $1M+/year.

Like FSU, the KK (kampus kops) previously used solely cruisers; now they
are using bikes in addition.  This allows them to go everywhere and they
are making even more money faster!  I don't feel the campus is any safer;
the bike-equipped cops are used for ticketing.  However, since they are
on bikes, if they were to see something fishy going on they would be 
better able to chase and track whoever.  I guess it is, in general, for
the better.

Just some comments,
-Brent
From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: NEW vitus 979 57cm blue w/warrantee
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:29:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

>>In article <axan12.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
>>>BTW this is the _wrong_ conference for sales.

>In article <BtJz3I.J2L@rice.edu> shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
>>Oh, joy.  It starts.  This is at least the 3d misposted-by-group

gorrie@hercules.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie) writes:
>Hear me now and believe me later, its going to get worse, ...

Compare it to an average day's mis-posts in r.b and you'll find we're
still doing reasonably well.

If you're reading `r.b.m' because you want to miss e.g., `bike for
sale' postings, consider the occasional mis-post a gentle reminder that
the newsgroup split is a filter that merely gets rid of 90% of the
posts you wanted to miss.

If you're anal about reading every article, you're already reading all
the newsgroups, and you're not missing anything by reading something
that's been mis-posted.

"I turned on the radio to listen to some tunes.  While I was listening
 they told me the weather forecast.  Boy was I pissed.  If I'd wanted
 the weather, I would have tuned to a weather station."

Should I have posted this to all the `r.b.*' groups?

		;-D on  ( Miss Post )  Pardo
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: sagerian@delphinium.UUCP (Steve M. Sagerian)
Subject: Re: Frequency of flats
Originator: sagerian@desert2
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:19:09 GMT

From article <ZX85PB2w165w@toz.buffalo.ny.us>, by augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Jeffrey Ehlinger):
> 
> ...Since then I have had two inner tubes become flat. The hole 
> is big enough that I can not take a 10 mile ride, without it deflating to 
> the point of uncomfort.  I have only put 400 miles on these tires. Am I 
> doomed to buying a new tube every 200 miles? 

Jeffery,
you didnt mention where the hole was located or what kind of puncture it was..
Are the punctures alone the "road side" of the tube or along the "rim" side?
I kept getting flats earlier this summer, the pucntures where co-located at my spoke holes, so I assumed that a spoke was puncturing the tube. I made sure that the spoke where not protuding  ,but still got flats...I then change the rim wrap inside the rim and the problem has gone away....you need to detemine where the flats are occurring, are they related..approximately the same kind of flat, location etc..then decide what action to take.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: extinction (was: Re: Saddle sores)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:50:56 GMT

weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt) writes:
: In article <1992Aug31.193157.26001@Happy-Man.com> Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com writes:
: >suggesting that real chamois may be headed the way of
: >friction shifting and leather saddles.
: 
: Wait a minute.  Who ever said leather saddles are dissapearing.

I believe he was referring to solid leather saddles such as Brooks
and Ideale, not leather covered nylon saddles.  The fact that you
didn't even think of them tends to confirm their scarcity.

: As for friction shifting it's never going to totally disappear.
: In a race suppose you flat and get a new wheel.  What if it's not the same
: as your old one? Then your index shifting won't work.

In my (somewhat limited) experience, I've been able to get some
selection of gears to work with every wheel I've tried.  Granted, it's
rare that a given wheel will index perfectly, but they'll usually be
usable, if only in a subset of cogs.

: Ok fine what if your out riding and you drivetrain isn't up to par.

I've been using road STI for about a year and a half and have yet to
have any sudden problem while riding.  The only problem I've had is that
the shifting gets poor if too much Coke/Exceed builds up in the cable
guides.

: This is why I would never get STI shifters.  Ther's no friction option.
: If those things aren't set just right all the time, you can't ride.

Again, this has not been my experience.  The STI rear cable stop 
incorporates a very nice cable tension adjuster which can generally
compensate for minor changes, and even non-compatible freewheels.

: I don't know if Campy's Ergo levers have frition.

No, they do not.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
From: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: traffic rules (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:29:04 GMT
Reply-To: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Distribution: na
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

In <1992Aug28.142757.3232@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy) writes:

>In article <1992Aug28.123104.5775@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> adh@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay) writes:
>>
>>how about 'ride *with* traffic -- it's the law'?  (it *is* the law
>>here in MA)
>>

>Does anyone know what the law is in N.J.?

The law is the same everywhere in the US and Canada.  Ride a bike on
the right side (with traffic), obeying all traffic laws.  Riding
against traffic is not only illegal, it increases your risk of being
injured enormously.

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NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Bicycle polo?
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:46:45 GMT

In response to my remark that I have a copy of bicycle polo rules from
the 1940s (specifically from the 1947 edition of the ABL Rulebook),
Gary Robishaw writes:
>Now this I find interesting, a fascinating bit of trivia. Would it be
>possible for you to post excerpts, or a brief summary of the rules
>and/or history.

There are just 20 rules, which take up three rulebook pages, but I
don't have time to type them in at the moment.  I'll try to find time
next week.

It should be pointed out that these rules are likely to differ from
later versions because bicycles have changed quite a bit since then.
For example, the bicycles that were then used in U.S. "road racing"
were what we would now call track bikes and the national championships
were essentially track events held on criterium courses.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: Ignorant Cyclists (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 21:13:50 GMT

> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>> M23231@mwvm.mitre.org writes:

>>........................... At least when he's on the left (US) he can see
>>what is coming at him. Riding on the right he must rely on poor rear view
>>sight and the skill, good will, and alertness of every driver going his
>>way.

>I agree with this. In fact it may very well _BE_ the intelligent thing to.
>Small children, like pedestrians, have a forward velocity low enough 
>that additive energy is  a pretty minor part of the equation.

You're completely ignoring the confusion that arises at intersections or
when a real cyclist (over 16 [sic]) approaches on the right side of the road.
Just how are they supposed to pass?  Who steers out into the line of traffic?

This talk of riding on the left side of the road seems ludicrous to me. I
can't believe that there are people supporting it.

It's even against the law in Colorado!

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Products and services elsewhere
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:32:04 GMT

Hey, folks, the new r.b divisions won't work unless you follow the
charters.  Most of the current postings in r.b.misc are about
commercial products and services, which should go to r.b.marketplace,
or about maintenance and repair, which belong in r.b.tech.  Yes, I
know that it takes some getting used to, but please think about it
before you post.

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Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: robertb@tarski.mit.edu (Robert Becker)
Subject: Re: traffic rules (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:42:14 GMT

In article <16854BD38.M23231@mwvm.mitre.org> M23231@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>Let's say you're pedaling at 15 mph on a highway where the cars are *supposed*
>to obey a 55 mph speed limit. You're riding with the traffic, and someone
>rear ends you at 55 mph (more likely 65). The relative speed is *only* 40 mph.
>What are your chances of surviving such a crash? Riding against the traffic,
>the relative speed at collision would be 70 mph, of course, but what is the
>improvement in your chances of *avoiding* the collision by virtue of being
>better able to survey what is coming at you? You realize, of course, that
*all* cars are going to pass you no matter where you ride, don't you?
>*********

Hi.  You forget that it's illegal to ride a bicycle on virtually all, if
not all, highways in MA.  Thus the likelihood of happening upon a car
going 55 is reduced.  Usually car speeds are maximum 40.  By your above
mental experiment, the closing speed when heading towards each other is
60 mph, certainly fatal.  A 20 mph collision, however, can be survived,
especially if the bike is going in the same direction.

Drivers also have more time to do something about your position if one
rides with them, instead of against.  I tried the against game ONCE and
found it nearly fatal.  A truck driver wasn't expecting me coming at him
and was about to turn into a parking space.  If he hadn't looked up it
-- 

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Cambridge, MA  02139-4307            (617)253-1797
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: pauld@cs.washington.edu (Paul Barton-Davis)
Subject: Re: traffic rules (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.soc
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 20:10:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.164405.14154@uwm.edu> rfriedel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Ronald J Friedel) writes:
>This last Sunday a number of cycling activists from around the State of
>Wisconsin got together for a meeting sponsored by the Bike Federation of
>Wisconsin.  The featured speakers were Andy Clarke, Bike Fed. of America,
>and Peter Langerway, [ ... ]
>
>Peter showed a video promoting Seattle's extensive series of bike paths
>and bike lanes on streets.  

Hah ! "Extensive" ? Who are they trying to fool ? 2 weeks ago we
was in Berlin, where my Beth & I were blown away by the facilities
there. Bike lanes on almost every major street, with many having bike
traffic lights as well. Then, a poster from Germany says "Berlin's
bike facilities are OK, but not the greatest". In retrospect, and in
an ideal world he's right. In reality, Berlin has a developed bike
system, Seattle has almost nothing.

IMHO, the question to ask about bike paths vs. street use is: what's
the relative speed of the various users ? For urban commuting, the
ratio of speeds is perhaps 1.5:1 for cars:bikes and 3:1 for
bikes:pedestrians. In "worst" case scenarios (e.g. London or New
York), the car:bike ration might actually go negative, say 2.5:1 for
London. That, to me, is a clear argument for putting bikes on roadways
in such cases. 

On the other hand, when we rode from Stuttgart to Heidelberg, that
ratio was more like 5:1 or higher in the cars favor, and we were
extremely happy to use the bikeway that connects the two cities over
practically all of the 80 miles between them. Its not a road, its not
next to a road - its a completely new route developed specifically for
bikes and pedestrians that can be ridden at up to 25 mph most of the
way. This is more like a "bike highway" than a "bike path", and seems
very appropriate to me when the only equivalent road is a "car highway".

Note the Followups: line.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Jeffrey Ehlinger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Frequency of flats
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:11:34 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)691-3865


     I have a Ross Parragon and I recently bought 27 x 1 1/4" tires made 
by Schwinn. Since then I have had two inner tubes become flat. The hole 
is big enough that I can not take a 10 mile ride, without it deflating to 
the point of uncomfort.  I have only put 400 miles on these tires. Am I 
doomed to buying a new tube every 200 miles? Or am I buying an easily 
damaged tube? Is this milage normal for a flat or is it completely 
random?  Thank You -Jeff

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