From: pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL N. RITTER)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: DOES CHARACTER MATTER? YOU BET!!!
Date: 15 Nov 92 11:12:04 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov12.074705.25546@Princeton.EDU>, niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.ED
U (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>In article <1992Oct30.095624.210928@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (
PAUL N. RITTER) writes:
>
>>"SOCIALISM"; The theory or system of the ownership and operation of the means
>>of production and distribution by society or community RATHER than by private
>>individuals, with all members of society or the community in the work and the
>>products.
>
>>  In Communist doctrine, the society coming between the capitolistic stage and
>>the communist stage, in which private ownership of the means of production
>>and distribution has been eliminated, as in the Soviet Union.(Webster Deluxe
>>2nd ed.)
>
>>* Countries with Socialist Governments in 1992:
>>    Czech and Slovak, France, Ireland, Italy, libya, Sri Lanka, Vietnam and
>>Yugoslavia.
>
>Um, these countries really don't fit the definition of socialism very
>well.  And you forgot Sweden, and the (former) USSR.
>
>>Do we really want to live like the people in these countries? And don't forget
>>Mr. Clinton wanted to send our trrops into Bosnia to intervene! If he is
>>elected, we won't have to be woried about being involved in another country's
>>civil war, we might have one of our own!
>
>He never said we should send troops to Bosnia.  He did say we ought to
>think about bombing Serbia, which was called "reckless" by Marlin
>"Taxpayer funded spokesperson for the Bush campaign" Fitzwater only two
>days before Bush said the same thing.
>
>>  How smug Mr. Clinton acts when he says he won't have any problem whatsoever
>>sending our young people war. Now he says, "if anyone protests against a draft
>>and tries to dodge it, THEY WILL BE PUNISHED UNDER THE LAW." What NERVE! The
>>draft is legal under Article I Section which states: (12) to raise and support
>>armies, (13) to provide and maintain a Navy, (15) to provide for calling forth
>>the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel
>>invasions. (16) to provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the militia
>>and for governing each part of them as may be employed in the service of the
>>United States, reserving to the States respectively, the appointments of the
>>officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the
>>discipline prescribed by Congress.
>
>Not ONE of these things allows the draft, now does it?  No.  No more
>than the fact that Congress is allowed to "establish post-offices" means
>that they can force anyone to deliver the mail.
>
>Furthermore, these have been superceded by the 13th amendment, which
>bans slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime.
>
      Ok, so what you're saying is that it's unconstitutional to make people
      perform community service, right? Why don't you look into the Bethlehem
      Area School District's policy to force highschool kids (grades 9-12) to
      perform 60 hrs of community service or they don't get their diploma? The
      Clinton platform advocates this practice. It is a different story for
      Catholic schools who add this to their ciriculum (sp?), but not a public
      school.

>>  Mr. Clinton is dishonorable to the CORE! People that defend him, in my
>>opinion, do so because perhaps they did the same things he did or do now!
>>I personally had no desire to smoke pot or become an alcoholic as a teen,
>>but a youthful (underage 18) indescretion should not keep someone from being
>>elected, but...When a 23 year old grad student, intelligent enough to
>>manipulate a draft board, the ROTC program, the Rhodes program is called a
>>BOY, SORRY!!! By the way, read his letter to Col. Holmes!
>
>I don't see anything wrong with smoking marijuana or drinking at any age.
>I don't see anything wrong with avoiding slavery at any age.

   So, it should be legal for anyone to smoke pot at any age? I'd like to see
   how long it would take for you or your family to bring a lawsuit against an
   18 wheeled truck driver who put his Peterbuilt in your living room. We have
   enough morons driving drunk, we DON'T need this crap too. This is liberal
   idiocy working to destroy what is left of our country.
             No argument about slavery.
>



>>  I wouldn't encourage my children to dodge the draft secretly and lie about
>>it. I expect them to fight openly under a Clinton presidency, at the FRONT
>>DOOR of the WHITE HOUSE! The Constitution, under the first ammendment, gives
>>us the right to dissent under the freedom of speech. It does NOT give us the
>>right to break the law, but since Mr. Clinton broke the law and got away with
>>it, he set a precedent for anyone who disagrees with U.S. policy.
>
>Of course, unconstitutional laws can't be enforced, so they can't be broken.
   How is the draft unconstitutional? You wouldn't need a draft if the idiot
   Pres Elect wouldn't deplete the armed services.

>
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>David M. Nieporent   | Mike Mussina 1992 AL Cy Young Winner
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