From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: computer terminology in Greek
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:02:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.schoinas.720997332
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

rizos@cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou) writes:

>Grafei o Spiros Triantafyllopoulos (st486!strianta@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com):

>>H episthmh upologistwn exei  pollh megalh ekseliksh kai mellon;
>>an h (ekastote) kybernhsh mporesei na to katalavei kai na to
>>aksiopoihsei, twte isws na kataferoume me ta programmata oti den
>>kataferame me alles biomhxanies/biotexnies.
>>Pare gia paradeigma tous Indous oi opoioi doulevoun gia psixala mesw 
>>satelite link US <--> India. Dhladh emeis DEN mporoume na kanoume to idio?

>An anaferesai stin anaptyksi logismikoy se xwres me xamilo kostos ergasias,
>tote diafwnw oti emeis xreiazetai na kanoyme kati analogo. Kati tetoio 
>den prosthetei tipota stin afomoiwsi texnognwsias, kai to mono poy petyxainei 
>einai h  paroxi ftinoy ergatikoy dynamikoy se xwres me ypsilo kosto ergasias.
>Nomizw oti ayto poy leipei apo tin Ellada einai mia kentriki stratigiki 
>me basi tin opoia tha ylopoihthoyn megala erga Pliroforikis. H apousia mias 
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>tetoias stratigikis kollaei isws stis adynamies toy dimosioy tomea. Sto 
>na baloyme ena PC sto farmakeio h' sto video-club tis geitonias pame kala, 
>isws kalytera apo kathe alli xwra. Ti ginetai omws me tin Pliroforiki stis
>dimosies ypiresies, epixeiriseis koinis wfeleias, klp. ekei poy pragmatika
>yparxei anagki;  

Ti ennoeis 'megala erga plhroforikhs'? Ereynhtika erga (p.x. Ellhniko Mach) 
h milas gia efarmoges? Apo to paradeigma poy dineis milas gia efarmoges. 
Den nomizv ua bohuhsei me kanena tropo sthn anaptyjh ellhnikhs orologias
h estv sthn anaptyjh (ejagvgimhs) ellhnikhs texnognvsias. Apo oso jerv
opoiadhpote sobaro ereynhtiko ergo anejarthta apo to poy ginetai 
xrhsimopoiei ta agglika. P.x. kaue MS/PhD thesis sthn Ollandia gia to 
Amoeba(Distributed OS) grafetai sta agglika.

>>Ena allo paradeigma se auth thn periptwsh einai h Islandia kai h Filandia.
>>Exoun merikous apo tous kalyterous xakerades (hackers), eidika h Filandia.
>>Epishs exoun kai oi duo axrhstes glwsses pou den xrhsimopoiei kanenas
>>ektos apo tous idious. Nomizeis oti exoun metafrasei olh thn orologia
>>sta Finlandika? Apo tous Filandous pou kserw, den nomizw.

>Ma Spyro, den milame gia tin metafrasi olis tis orologias sta Ellinika.
>Omws, opws fanhke kai apo prohgoymena postings, ena poly megalo pososto
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>mporei na apodothei ikanopoihtika. To kerdos tis Ellinikis apodosis einai
>oti bohtha sto na ginei pio prositi h Pliroforiki ston kosmo. Ayto 
>bebaia den apokleiei tin synyparksh merikes fores kai tis Agglikis orologias.
>Se teliki analysi, an to manual ths PL/1 tha xrisimopoihthei apo deka
>ekseidikeymenoys epaggelmaties, einai koyto na metafrastei. Ayto omws
>den isxyei kai gia to manual p.x. toy DOS h' tou Unix. 
>Apo tin alli, diafwnw me to xaraktirismo mias glwssas san axristi kai tin
>tasi gia isopedwsi twn pantwn sto onoma toy efhmeroy enos. To oti zoyme 
>se mia epoxi poy h Agglikh einai (einai?) kyriarxi glwssa kai i
>Pliroforiki exei megalh simasia, den simainei oti agnooyme oles tis
>alles glwsses kai epistimes...

Ti einai megalo pososto? Pvs fanhke ayto apo ta paradeigmata? Xmm,
moy fainetai prepei na parv ena paper kai na steilv mia lista me
thn orologia na doyme.

>>Kai ena allo epixeirhma. Polles episthmes xrhsimopoioun Ellhnikh orologia
>>(p.x. Iatrikh, Zwologia, etc) sta Agglika. An oi Aggloi kai oi Amerikanoi
>>xrhsimopoioun dikes mas lekseis stis episthmes tous emeis giati den 
>>xrhsimopoioume dikes tous stis dikes mas?

>Kaneis den to arneitai an ginetai me metro kai opoy den mporoyn na apodothoyn
>oi antistoixoi agglikoi oroi. Arketes ksenikes lekseis exoyn afomoiwthei apo 
>tin Elliniki glwssa kai den yparxei tipota to asximo sto na prostesei 
>i pliroforiki kai alles. Oxi omws stin alogisti xrisi twn Agglikwn leksewn 
>ekei poy mporoyn na brethoyn isodynames ellinikes apodoseis (kai apo ta 
>paradeigmata poy exoyn anaferthei mporoyn na yparksoyn kales apodoseis sth 
>syntriptiki pleiopsifia twn orwn).

Nomizv telika oti den exoyme to idio pragma sto myalo mas otan milame gia
orologia ypologistvn. Esy milas gia to DOS kai egv milav gia orologia se 
ereynhtiko epipedo. Mporei na metafrastoyn sta ellhnika oloi oi kainoyrgioi 
oroi poy dhmioyrgoyntai kaue xrono? Yparxei telika periptvsh na xrhsimopoihsv 
poyuena ellhnika se ereynhtiko epipedo?

						Xairetv,
						Giannis.