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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Cornell Protests Military Ban
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:22:12 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Apr8.162522.39151@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable) writes:

>Most colleges these days rely heavily on federal funding.

I think Wisconsin is third or fourth in the country
in the amount of grant money it gets from the Fed.

>Jess, didn't Madison's faculty vote last year to abolish
>ROTC since it violated the school's non-discrimination
>policy only to have it overturned by someone in the
>administration?

I believe that's how it was; the faculty voted to abolish
the program, but the campus administration and/or the
Regents nixed that.  The latest I recall hearing on the
matter is that the Chancellor is committed to "discuss" it
with military officials.  She has had at least one meeting
with them, I believe, but one account (hers, if I recall a
meeting I attended correctly) reported they were very
surprised her delegation actually wanted to talk about it.

>I think pushing this is a great idea but it'll take a lot of
>careful pushing to actually change anything or get ROTC off
>of any significant number of campuses.

The military-industrial complex increasingly involves the
institutions of higher learning.  As I perceive it, things
are still headed in the wrong direction.

<> We have a president [Bush] who vetoed Congress's first effort
<> to raise the minimum wage in thirteen years but supports a tax
<> break for the richest people in the nation, and House Democrats
<> are offended that anyone should introduce the notion of class-
<> warfare politics into the discussion?  You could have knocked
<> me over with Dan Quayle's brain. -- Molly Ivins
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From: dgk36264@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (DreamDrive)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lip singing
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:59:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr17.035948.9769
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

RA040@Zeus.unomaha.edu (DECI 123) writes:

>I find the song "Don't Let the Sun Go Down On Me"

>		By George Micheal with Elton John my favorite

>	What do you all think?  

I think the original is a lot better.  But that one's ok too.

Does anyone else out there think that Concrete Blonde is the greatest group
ever?

DreamDrive
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael Thomas)
Subject: Re: Crusades (was Re: Deletions)
Reply-To: mike@gordian.com (Michael Thomas)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:59:30 GMT

In article <1099@dosbears>, drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston) writes:
|> 	Those of us who lived with the 64K address space of the 
|> 	8080/Z80 had learned our lesson.  IBM, unfortunately, did
|> 	not.  They alone decided to build memory-mapped hardware
|> 	right into the middle of our precious address space.  I am
|> 	mystified as to why anyone would consider this poor hardware
|> 	design to be an aspect of DOS.  DOS uses as much contiguous
|> 	memory as can be made available.

    I can fully believe this. Memory mapped IO is a really easy way to
design hardware. The only alternative, which is to use the 80xx's IO
instructions is not very appealing either -- it would be nary impossible
to design a compiler that delt with it as on example. (Not that I can
believe the hardware folks ever thought about a triviality like that ;-)
    The _real_ sin was using Intel's idoitic segmented architecture. The
68000 was available at that time, so there was _no_ excuse. Without the 
segmentation, you could have it _both_ ways. A 32 bit address space (even
when you only have 24 address lines) is still enough to memory map the
IO and have enough memory for a real operating system etc. This was IBM's
decision not Microsoft's. Microsoft's sins, however, are of a different 
nature...

Motss relevence? Nada. 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Re: Education with motss-positive potential
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:57:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.130119.27724@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM> michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott) writes:
>
>
>Motss relevance?  Three things come to mind:
>
>1) Every step society takes away from the "one-size-fits-all"
>   mode is good.  In a society where there is no choice in
>   learning or careers (for example), how can we expect to
>   have our choice of sexual behavior accepted?

Yes!!!!!!!
>
>2) Picture a young student who suspects she/he may be gay.
>   If the learning material has information on homosexuality,
>   the student can voluntarily, individually seek it out.

As part of the "Seattle is Kids Place"  All Seattle librarys
have flyers prominently displayed giving lists of GLBO books 
for kids, andhow they can be found, along with GLBO kids organizations
and the Sexual Minorities hotline number in town.

But this would be even better, privacy of one's own terminal...
>
>3) Related to #2.  This new learning tool will be a whole
>   new forum for either inclusion or exclusion of our
>   existence.  If this tool is going to be used to teach
>   a new generation of students, we MUST make sure it has
>   motss-oriented content, or we will again be invisible.
>
>   I don't know much about George Lucas.  I know he is
>   "modern", which I tend to associate with "liberal", but
>   I don't know his views on motss-orientation.  Is there
>   hope that he might help us on this one?

Sorry for the fan interruption:  By the time Star Wars first
came out, there was a long established fandom of media fanzines.
Fans would write stories set in movie and t.v. shows.  Some
action adventure, some romance, some porn - both straight & gay. 
Parmount (StarTrek) and other studios knew about this, but let it be.

LucusFilms insisted on seeing every Star Wars zine published,
and banned all of them with explicit sex, or any mention of
homosexual relationships. LucusFilms was eventually taken to
court, and StarWArs zines are now published freely...  But
"the mere mention of a gay relationship equaled heterosexual
porn" idea made me crazy.

>
>
>Please note: if this whole scheme seems unlikely to work
>or be implemented, you're wrong.  It is on its way.
>Personally, I am thrilled by the possibility that another
>generation of students won't have to suffer from education
>the way I did.

Basically, this is a form of hypermedia/multimedia.  Seattle's
own (well Bellevue,) Bill Gates has sworn it is the wave of 
the future.  I think it is a breaker way out at sea at the
moment.  Hypermedia is much harder to write, and takes MUCH
more memory/speed than most people realize. I just spent 80+
hours on a hypercard project (yes, MacIntosh, ya wanna make
somethin' outta it?) with alot of hypermedia links, and it
is *very* basic.  80 hours!  I could have written a bad
opera in that amount of time...
>
>
>Michelle Elliott

Sandy	Queer by Nature, Proud by Choice, Bisexual by Accident
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis)
Subject: Re: Oscars
Organization: Institute for Pure and Applied Eschatology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 02:16:12 GMT

You know, it doesn't matter how many favourable movies about Jews there
are, I'm still going to get upset if somebody were to make a movie about
Jewish rabbis kidnapping little boys so they can make Passover matzoth
with their blood (this ``blood libel'' was a guaranteed pogrom-starter
for the past few centuries). It's not a matter of balance: Hollywood
presents *any* form of deviation as being, at best eccentric, and, at
worst, Satanic. (I remember `Big Jim McLain' (1950), in which John Wayne
stars as an investigator for the House Un-American Activities Committee:
the commies all had bookshelves in their houses, whereas the Real
Americans didn't, apparently, read.)

To be honest, I don't really care how many sweet, warm, little movies
like `Longtime Companion' are made. None of these movies are shovelling
in the bux the way `Basic Instinct' is. Hollywood knows that, next to
androids with Austrian accents (to be honest, I loved the `Terminator'
movies), bisexual rapists are a wonderful audience grabber. Carolco could
make several dozen `Longtime Companion's with the profits from `Basic
Instinct.' 

Hollywood's attitude to homosexual men and women can be summed up in a
line from `Cruising', a 1980 film in which either Al Pacino goes gay, or
in which a leather outfit exerts an occult power over Pacino. The
director of the film, Edward Friedkin, was the target of protests
because the movie presented gay men (notably leather men) as being
sadistic murderers. He mushed up the script as a result of the protests
(to the point where it made no sense whatsoever), and added a few
disclaimers. One of my favorites is the following line:

   `Most gay men aren't murderers. Most are just scared, weird 
    little people.'

It really says it all, don't you think? 

--
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 \   Department of Computer Science      literary excellence cannot coexist."
 /\  University of British Columbia                        -- A. Trevor Hodge
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From: huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Meeting Kathryn and Linda
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:05:16 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Apr7.080938.3905@news.unomaha.edu>, ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu
    (John Dorrance) writes:
>	Kathryn and Linda Huxtable.  Certainly the high
>	point of the trip.  A couple that's so in love it
>	would be sickening if it weren't so real.

Oh, that's so sweet....  Seriously we enjoyed meeting you
and Anj.  Your forelock is cute but very fragile.  Tim could
cut it off in a second.  And Anj knows more about Amelia
Earhart than mortals should be allowed.  If she's not
careful the universe could open up and squirt her out like a
watermelon seed, never to be heard from again.  That's
probably what happened to Amelia....

>	Not good to cold-call the relatives of other sexual
>	deviants...  hope your uncle hasn't bugged you about
>	that, Kathryn),

No problem.  He's probably just trying to forget it.  :-)

>	and tried to teach them how to tie knots in cherry
>	stems with their teeth.

Unsuccessfully, I might add.  We lesbians are supposed to
have dextrous tongues but I'm afraid we've been outdone.
Watching you do it was worth the ignominy of failure.  Your
facial expressions were something to see!

>	It's so nice to see motss PDA's!!!  Hope to see them
>	again some day.

The PDAs or Linda and me?  I can't think of any reason we'd
be in Omaha but maybe a motss.con.  Not this year's, though,
our travel budget is too low.  We're planning to make the
1993 March on Washington.  There'll probably be lots of
motssers and sapphites there.

--
Kathryn Huxtable              \   "Women who laugh too much, and the women
huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   /\   who love them." --- Jamie Anderson
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein and sexism (Was Asimov and sexism)
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:39:52 GMT
 <1992Apr10.175929.7548@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM>
 <1992Apr10.212005.22302@cs.ubc.ca>
 <1992Apr13.171407.22995@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM>
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maine System

well, we've had a whole lot of posts abotu male lovers in SF.
so who writes abotu lesbians?  are there any outside of the
lesbian presses and Gael Baudino?  (and the bi woman in Silver-
glass)

not really interested in reading about men these days.  been
doing it all my life and want something different.

                                      -ailsa

p.s. i am a heretic.  i admit it.  i never passed p. 35 in
_Dhalgren_ in five attempts, and finally sold it to a used
book store.  i do not consider "hard to follow" = "great
literary merit"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 13:20:59 GMT


In article <9ok2iB1w164w@batpad.lgb.CA.US>
mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>> O, would that you, Sue, pined for me!
 
>> (Prosthetic humor.)

>I can't think of an appendage for your remark, but I wood
>post it if I could.

Since you're stumped, how's about I leg over to your place
(it's pretty fir) and we can balsam.  But just us, oakay,
since tree's a crowd?

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From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:51:20 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)

In article <j9sg98o@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>In article <bpqjtzf.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>As some of you may remember, one of my New Year's resolutions was to become
>>more butch (another was to flirt more).
>
>*flirt flirt*
>
>>politically correct, so I bought some.  I also started looking for some
>>cowboy boots. 
>
>cowboy boots are not what you need.  You need motorcycle boots or army
>boots... Really...

White leather gogoboots.

>>After looking at hundreds of boots, I decided that they fall into one of 
>>three categories: 
>>
>> 1) Ugly 
>all cowboy boots are ugly.

Oh! Oh! They are not. They are like big musculare bodies - they look
much better on someone completely undressed.

>> 2) Uncomfortable
>
>All boots are uncomfortable for the first few weeks.  Once they are
>broken in, they are very comfortable.

The boots or the feet!

>> 3) Expensive 
>
>Those silly pump shoes are expensive.  Boots at least last forever.

You've never seen my boots.

>>I decided that the color problem could be fixed, so I bought them and took
>>them to the shoe shop to be dyed. 
>
>black, I hope...

Jojo hopes a vague metallic aluminous color.

>>So today I have a like-new pair of boots with a wonderful leather/polish
>>aroma.  But you know what?  You don't walk in boots the way you walk in
>>shoes.  I don't have the hang of it yet.  I feel like I'm going to fall
>>over, and I probably look like someone who is trying to look butch, but not
>>succeeding.
>
>cowboy boots are leather bottomed.  Because of this they are slick. 

And easier to lick.

>>Well, practice makes perfect.  What do you folks out there have to say
>>about the proper way to walk in boots?
>
>Well, I recommend different boots.  Then, you can walk like me! 

Walk like a man, talk like a man!

>Ah, boots... Why would one wear anything but?
>FWA

Takes a licking and keeps on sticking...


-- 
| Le Jojo: Fresh 'n' Clean, speaking out to the way you want to live
| today; American - All American; doing, a bit so, and even more so.
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:07:12 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Labs, Livermore CA
Originator: lip@s1.gov


	One curious thing about certain heterosexual men is that they
will look down on gay men while goggling at lesbians going at each
other; a lesbian scene seems to be a staple of heterosexual porn. I'm
sure most net.lesbians would agree that this is pure exploitation.

	But what of the opposite? What about heterosexual women who
get off at the sight of gay men going at each other?

	Here is one well-known example: Madonna. In _Truth or Dare_,
she screams that she is getting a "hard-on" as she watches two of her
dancers French kiss. And in a Macleans' (Canadian: like Time or
Newsweek) interview last year, she stated that she asks her lovers
whether or not they have ever gone to bed with a man, or even ever
thought of doing so. This is out of curiosity about other people's
sexuality, she says.

	Does that qualify as exploitation?

	And she said some curious things in her most recent _Rolling
Stone_ interview, the one with Carrie Fisher. She stated that she had
often fantasized about making love to another woman, but that she
prefers a partner with a penis to stick into her -- a real one, since
she considers strap-on dildos too ridiculous to take seriously. Would
anyone consider it homophobia to prefer making love with a member of
the opposite sex, while otherwise believing in the legitimacy of
homosexuality?

	Even so, she had been known to kiss her two female dancers on
her Blonde Ambition tour, and she had peeked up the skirt of one of
them on the Who's That Girl tour. And that's not to mention what went
on in the Justify My Love video. And whatever she has up her sleeve
for this fall.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nickn@polari.com
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 04:53:02 GMT

In article <9204080848.aa14408@concour.cs.concordia.ca> gsmith@CONCOUR.CS.CONCORDIA.CA writes:
>>romances for gay men (in the 50's).
>
>Why doesn't someone re-issue this stuff? I would love to read 50's
>gay romance novels. I wonder if it is possible to find these anywhere
                  g 
You might try the store "Gay Treasures" in New York. Vintage porn and
gay interest stuff such as One magazine.


-- 
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GLB+ hangouts on the Internet
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:45:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr8.094533.19745
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <muBwiB2w164w@batpad.lgb.CA.US> mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:
>I just got access to the Internet, a simple 2400 7E1 login with
>Telnet.  I played around tonight on the After Five BBS for a while.
>Pretty neat!
>Where are some places that are favorite hangouts for GLB* folks?

Isn't the Internet grand?

"hangouts" on the Internet are few and far between, so GLB* ones will
be even fewer. 

FTP is one service available.. There is the Queer FTP archive which
until recently was located at cambridge.apple.com, but just moved.
There's spdcc.com, from whence you can FTP the graven images of
motssers. Anyone know of any other GLB* ftp archives?

I don't know anything about Internet-accessible bulletin boards,
because the Usenet is good enough for me. There are bound to be some
out there.

There's also Internet Relay Chat, aka IRC. It's a real time chat
facility. At any given time there can be as many as 800 people online
from all over the world, all talking to each other in various
channels.  And yes, there is a gay channel - it's called #gblf. You
really want to have an IRC client locally, but until you get one, you
can get to IRC by telnetting to bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu. Run the
command "/join #gblf" to get to the gay channel, and then ask for help.

My own opinion of the quality of conversation on IRC is that it's not
very good. Most of the people there are bored undergraduates. There
are some good folks on #gblf, though, and it's a good place to go if
there's something happening in the world and you want to know what it
is, fast. During the Gulf War and the Soviet coup it was the fastest
international gossip forum there was :). There are also some quality
hackers who hang out on the #hack channel, if that's your coup of tea.

And if you an X terminal on the internet, you should play the game
xtrek. It's great. Read "rec.games.netrek" for info.
-- 
                __
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From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lutefisk recipe (was Re: outing the stars)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:07:14 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <kuscg9INNa42@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)  
writes:

> | Hey, let's be a bit more accurate here. Lutefisk is not decomposed,
> | not at all. The whole point is that potassium hydroxide and potassium
> | hydroxide salts make the fish totally indestructible by micro  
organism.
> 
> | There are some people in the Norden who actually eat rotten fish,
> | but I don't want to go into that here....
> 
> Yum yum.  

Well, if you want to look at what actually *is* rotten fish, look no  
further than anchovies, Chinese oyster sauce, and Vietnamese fish sauce.  
All the products of fermeted sea food. The former two I adore; the latter,  
eeuuch.

-Anthony
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Queer Humor
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 14:01:20 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

This won't do much for our lesbian sisters, but Jon Lovitz delivered
what could be the world's best gay pick-up line on last night's SNL:

"Did I mention that I have a penis?"

:-)
Frank
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: D.C.con?
Date: 14 Apr 1992 15:17:19 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr14.135032.27715@queernet.org> 
rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
| In article <kukad0INNbd1@mizar.usc.edu>, 
| adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
| |> Help!  I've decided to rent my ice axe once I'm there, but can I rent
| |> crampons too?  Or should I forget the t-straps and pack crampons instead?
|
| Crampons are fine, but what do you use on those light days?

My Fisher-Price roller skates with the "roll forward only" switch.

Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Mike Duffy speaks @ UMassLowell
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:17:29 GMT

> psarrisd@woods.ulowell.edu writes:

>                               [Michael Duffy] is also a founding member of the
>Mass. branch of the Log Cabin Club, an organization which supports gay or
>pro-gay Republican candidates for public office.

Golly!  That must be an *exceptionally* busy little group :-)
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From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Responding to Bigots
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:43:02 GMT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> I would guess that most of these jerks appear in our midst
> because they're so ego-weak in the larger world they feel
> compelled to trot over here and bait the fags, lezzies, and
> bisekshals.  Some probably come because what they really
  ^^^^^^^^^^

For a moment there, I thought this was a Jewish epithet...



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