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From: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Subject: Re: Lyle Tuttle
Reply-To: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 15:14:53 GMT


In a previous article, fredj@wang.com (Fred Jewell) says:

>   OK Today i talked with two very interesting and dynamic people, Karl MacRae 
>and Lyle Tuttle....

I met Lyle Tuttle at a tattoo convention sometime in the last 5-10
years. He noticed a small piece on my arm and asked me about it. It
was a basilisk done by Cliff Raven on Easter Sunday 4/5/67. The tattoo
was in full color, and the colors had all been absorbed by then.
Tuttle's advice was to leave the piece exactly as it was and don't try
to rework it to put the color back. I've taken his advice and now have
an interesting, "vintage" piece.

Haven't had the chance to meet Karl MacRae yet.

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Subject: WHO IS BEN SANSING AND WH
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:24:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

refling@sloth.eng.uci.edu (John P. Refling) writes
>Subject: Who is Ben Sansing and why is he so obnoxious?
>I think that the last half dozen or so articles (in a row) by Ben
>flaming all kinds of people answers what he is, but I still wonder
>why he has to act that way.

Who is Ben Sansing?  A mild-mannered psychotic bastard who dares to
differ from the "Party Line" on some issues

Why does he act that way? Well, he started out nice and friendly, but
some people just won't stop mewling and puking about anyone who
disagrees with them, so Ben got the message and responded in kind

Also, it stimulates traffic on the group, doesn't it?
From: batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: foot tattoos
Keywords: n
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:03:30 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
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In article <1992Apr12.194721.8282@julian.uwo.ca> lrb@alex.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.152824.15630@mercury.cair.du.edu> tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>
>>if my leg were shaved for a tat, would hair still grow there normally?
>>that would kinda look funny i htink.

	Yeah, heair grows just like normal over a tattoo.

	A tattoo is *under* the skin, not in it, so there's not much
	effect on the surface skin.

>btw -- one of the single most memorable experiances in my life was after i 
>first shaved my legs for racing. sliding between the sheets -- WOW. 
>definately recommended. 

	Oooh, now THAT sounds like fun.

	Oh, and I can't resist this stupid joke.

	Gee, Lance, what kind of racing WAS that...

		DRAG racing maybe?

		(Sorry....)

		-Karl

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From: barb@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: glow in the dark?
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:53:24 GMT
Reply-To: barb@lenny.esd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Apr14.154921.9254@mercury.cair.du.edu> tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>has anyone evr gotten/seen/had any experience with glow in the dark
>tattoos?


Freddy Corbin (Tattoo city) has a cool glow-in-black-light (does
that make it fluorescent???  %^) ) tattoo on the back of his neck,
I know he's done some more of them. I understand they just look
kind of like a light scar til the black lights on 'em. Freddy was
telling us a story about a gal who got some obscene thing on her
forarm (I can't remember what it was. Karl? Do you?) thinking it
would be invisible unless black light was on it, but it showed up
plain as day and she had to have it covered. Personally, I'd be
a little nervous about getting something that glowed injected
permanently under my skin, but then, I'm a wimp! Anyhow, if you
want more info, you could call Freddy at the shop. If you catch him
in a cheery mood, he'll be able to tell you anything you want to
know about this stuff. 

-Barb
From: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Piercing jewelry
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:44:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsd.shmiaINN6p2
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

In article <556.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
> What about titanium?  When the orthopods rebuilt my left leg, they were
>going to use titanium rods

Another disadvantage of titanium is that if you're not careful when
heating it to make a bend, you'll either wind up with a lot of white
powder and a rotten looking surface (it oxidizes easily), or a fire
you can't put out.

Burning titanium is considered to be an 'inextinguishable' substance; if
you do manage to light it (not easy, but possible) it'll burn through
the forceps you were holding it with, the table you're working on, and
a good way into the floor.  If you have a large enough piece, it'll burn
under water.

Sure is pretty, though.
	- Brian
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From: gremlin@buhub.bradley.edu (Stephanie Udry)
Subject: ankle bracelet tatoo
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 17:36:13 GMT

argh..my evil mailbox did it again...

will whoever wrote me about his wife/girlfriend who has a tattoo similar
to the one i described write me again and tell me what book it was tht
she found the pattern in?

much thanks

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Subject: RE: FOOT TATTOOS
From: buck.nekkid@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Buck Nekkid) 
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:23:00 GMT
Reply-To: buck.nekkid@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Buck Nekkid) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

About tatooing feet, I one time took a regular ink pen (fountain pen)
and some ink and tatooed my own foot. It was real easy an now I've got a
picture of a pussy between my big and next-to-big toes. It didn't start
out to be a pussy, but it came out that way, cause it was a doodle.
Everybody who sees it thinks its cool.
                                                              
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol)
Subject: Re: the sounds of big ben
Organization: Black Leather Wings
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:31:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.100915.12949@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
[...]
>  -ken, unmodified since august/90 -- far too long.  

Come on back to San Francisco.  We've already shown we can deal with
that, and with you - not that you needed particularly much dealing
with...

"Ah'm just a girl who cain't say no..." :-)


Harry Ugol
harryu@tfs.com

"Briarpatch household rule #6:  It's only a *little* apple - go ahead,
take a bite..."
From: jon@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Jon E. Gefaell (KD4CQY))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Home tattoo? Scarification?
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:38:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Apr9.133816.9923
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <1992Apr9.041247.24094@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rfa@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Robert F. Alexander) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.121414.10237@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jon@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Jon E. Gefaell (KD4CQY)) writes:
>
>>BTW, Kimby seems to have her mind set
>>on a dancing bear with a oar on her lucious low low lower belly :) Right 
>>above Paradise.....
>       ^^^^^^^^^
>This one I wanna watch!! 
>
>Whenever I come up with a few bucks..We're gonna make that trip..
>Maybe Phil will want to finance us...He seems to always have plenty.
>

Phil is a sweet fellow :) (heh heh, glad he doesn't read this group) I
forgot to add that Kimmy is studying for her Tech license too! MWahahaha!
Poor woman has it bad....
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From: barb@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae)
Subject: Re: PIERCING JEWELRY
Reply-To: barb@lenny.esd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:02:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.163542.4543@tfs.com> harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol) writes:
>In article <618.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
>> I've seen a lot of male nipple pierces in the magazines that look like
>>(forgive me) half-rings of white plastic with ball ends.  Pretty ugly
>>stuff IMHO. Is this really plastic, or ivory or something similar?
>
>As I said before, and I'll say just once again, the only materials
>I've seen used for piercing jewelry are gold, niobium, and stainless
>steel.

I've seen body jewelry made of some kind of lucite or plexiglass, both
straight bars and 1/2 rounds. They have it at Body Manipulations in
San Francisco. It's kinda cool, I've seen it in a wide range of colors
and sizes/gauges. I don't know if this would be similar to the jewelry
that Dave saw in the photos because these don't have ball ends. Also
it's usually (at least what I've seen) transparent, although I guess
in a photo they might look white.

-Barb
From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Anasthetics and piercing
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:28:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.203723.10294@Princeton.EDU> clements@bow.Princeton.EDU (John B. Clements) writes:

>  [lots o' stuff deleted]
>... In fact, to some degree I feel as though I really
>should have done my piercings myself.  
>
>john clements
>20, smelly, cruddy, and happy
>

after reading this newsgroup and after getting my first pierce
i have decided that any pierce i get after this has to be done by 
me.. i thought a friend of mine was crazy when he got equipment to 
do it himself, but now i wouldnt want anyone else to do it

of course a year ago i told my parents that if i ever pierced my
tongue that they should send me to a drug rehab clinic... :)

although i have to admit that i dont know how i could have pierced
my tongue myself, so im glad i got that done professionally



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"The future is not what it used to be." - Nick Philips
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From: jrobi@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jim Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Anasthetics and piercing
Summary: local anesthesia can be your friend
Keywords: AUA
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:13:45 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

I think the pain question is much more complex than the 
like/dislike dichotomy suggests.  I personally like the way a 
needle feels sliding through my flesh.  (This puts me, I think, into 
a rather small minority.)  Other people like pain in a bewildering 
variety of complex ways, under a similar variety of circumstances.  
Some people don't like pain at all, and so want to minimize the 
pain between themselves and their goals.  Be true to yourself, I 
say (rather tritely) and you can't go wrong.
 
I was a medic in the army and a diving medic in the navy reserves.
I've used LOTS of Xylocaine (lidocaine) on a bunch of different 
body parts.  It's not terribly difficult to administer nor is it
particularly unsafe (after all, they let enlisted men use it); it 
is very effective.  It's the same stuff dentists use in your mouth, 
so most of you know what it feels like, though in the soft tissues 
at issue here it is considerably less painful to administer.  For 
those of you into pain minimization (see, we're all `into' pain 
one way or another ;-)) here are my recomendations (assumes good 
technique for both the anesthesia and the pierce.)  As always, 
your milage may vary.  
 
Ears, no local.  Nostril, septum, either way, probably no 
local.  Lip, tongue, cheek, no local.  Eyebrow, with local.  
Nipple, either way, probably with local (women are more likely 
to benefit from the lidocaine).  Naval, with local. Prince Albert, 
no local.  Ampallang, apadravya, with local.  Frenum, no local.  
Haffada, no local (very difficult to anesthetise anyway.)  Guiche, 
I don't know.  Labia minora, no local.  Labia majora, either way, 
probably no local.  Clit hood, no local.  Clitoris, either way, 
probably with local.  Perineum, no local.
 
Generaly, benefits of local anesthesia will vary proportionaly 
with the diameter of the piercing needle, the fleshiness of the 
location, the length of the pierce, and the skill of the 
anesthetist.  Benefits will vary inversely with the skill of the 
piercer and the ease of the pierce.

-- 
Jim Robinson                       I've never quibbled, if it was ribbald,
jrobi@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu       I would devour where others merely nibbled.
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Subject: AFTERCARE
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:06:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

DW>who all welted was probably a bit clumsy with the tattoo machine.

-> Sounds like a well-known "artist" in SWLR, right?

 No, a lesser-known "artist" in NLR.  Jim in SWLR doesn't have any photo
books, just flash on the wall, most of which is years old.
From: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: info please
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:45:49 GMT
Reply-To: Codesmiths <dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Organization: Gated to News by demon.co.uk


> 4. (WARNING---SILLY INSIGNIFICANT QUESTION) are there any stupid conventions
>    for left/right means gay/straigt?  i'd hate to cause anyone confusion.

Left means "transsexual psychopath" - It must be true, I saw it in
"The Silence Of The Lambs".


Some people (and round here, that means *most* people) will think
you're some kind of pervert, whatever you pierce & wherever you do
it.  Thats their problem.  Just remember that sooner or later,
*someone* is going to misinterpret it / take offence at it, so be
prepared & don't be surprised when it finally does happen.

As far as "codes" go, if you travel at all you'll find that the
"rules" aren't regionally consistent anyway.
From: jane@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Maori, Inuit tattooing (Was Re: Home tattoo? Scarification?)
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:30:21 GMT

I read a lot of 19th century travel and ethnography books.  I'll have to 
see if there are any that might have a hope in hell of still being in 
print, or in a library somewhere...

There's a really awesome section on ritual tattooing in one recent book I 
have, called "Arts of the Surinam Rain Forest."  Interesting, because the 
tats involve generating keloid scar tissue, and are considered erogenous 
zones .  (I've got a bit of interest in Surinam, as my grandfather (born in
1848, yes generations are LOOOOOONG) got marooned there after a fight on 
the sailing ship he was working on, lived with these folks for a while.  
And yes, he was tattooed... ;-) ).  

  --Jilara  [jane@swdc.stratus.com]
  "Of course truth is stranger than fiction; fiction has to make sense."
   --Tom Clancy
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Subject: PIERCING JEWELRY (WAS: RE
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:49:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> density and tensile strength are advantages for prosthetics or jet
-> aircraft but, if anything, disadvantages for piercing jewelry (or at

 You're probably right.  It's also hard to thread, which would make
screw-on stuff difficult to make.

 I've seen a lot of male nipple pierces in the magazines that look like
(forgive me) half-rings of white plastic with ball ends.  Pretty ugly
stuff IMHO. Is this really plastic, or ivory or something similar?
                                                         
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: barb@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae)
Subject: Re: temporary coverup of a tat
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:37:59 GMT

There are several foundation makeups that are intended for covering
scars, you should ask at your local big chain type drugstore. They 
almost certainly carry them, they just don't keep them out with the
other makeup. Also, I'm sure theatrical supply stores could help you - 
they must run into this regularly. 
As an alternative to makeup, how about opaque tights? I doubt if they'd
look any different than sheer from a distance, and would certainly be
easier. 

-Barb

P.S. to Lance - So they have Elastoplast in Canada? I've never been
able to find them in the U.S.... I stock up when I'm in the U.K.
(People say "Ooh - what'd you bring home from your trip?" They look
pretty puzzled when I tell 'em "Bandaids!")



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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Pressure Cookers?
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 18:03:57 GMT

mom has an extra pressure cooker she offered me;

any advice about sterilization with one? i know it was discussed 
recently,

thanks,
tim
tjreynol@du.edu
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Subject: RE: PIERCING JEWELRY (WAS
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 15 Apr 92 07:59:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> The shape you're describing sounds like what's called a "curved
-> barbell" - the shank of the jewelry subtends about 300 degrees of arc
-> and there are screw-in balls at both ends.  I've never seen photos of
-> *any* piercing jewelry that looked white, unless it was really bad
-> photos of stainless - what magazines were these?

 Hang on a sec, Harry...   <digging through pile>  That's Tattoo, put
out by the people who do the biker magazines.  There's at least one set
in each issue.  Looks like slightly more then 180 degrees in a couple of
cases, around 300 degrees in others.  Fairly thick - 12 guage?  White,
even in color shots.

 Looks like about the right color for Teflon, maybe.  Stainless can come
with a sort of gray look, but not whitish.
From: batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: TATS AND CHLORINE
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:07:23 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcave.ebay.sun.com


	I know I should not be answering this, as it has all the
	value of finger-across-lips (Bibble-bibble-bibble), but it's
	more fun than working, so...

In article <404.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) writes:
>
>Excuse me, O Great and Mighty One, for disagreeing with your Divinely
>Ordained Opinions from On High.

	Ben, you've missed something.  If you're mean to the fools,
	that's not bad. But if you're mean to those of us who have a
	clue, you make enemies. This is the fastest I've ever seen
	anyone alienate a whole newsgroup without being a Cramer
	or a Kaldis. 

> I have been told, over the course of
>time, by many tattoo artists that alcohol blurs tattoos.

	How many? Which ones? How do they know? 

	Sources, man, sources.

> If you're drunk
>when you have it done, it's end up blurred.

	This is utter horseshit. Get a clue. There's no direct
	relationship between blurring and drunkenness at the time
	one is tattooed. 

> Several artists I know
>refuse to work on a drunk.

	Any reputable one would; if you get tattooed when you're 
	drunk, they can't be sure you're really sure you want to do 
	it; also, it makes you hard to deal with. 

> If you drink heavily later on, it will blur.

	Evidence. Look the word up.

	If you can't find evidence, give us some reason to 
	think you're not just making it up. So far, it's hearsay, 
	and as you have as yet earned no credibility here, that
	don't cut it, son.

>I'll dig up some "official quotes"

	See if you can dig up a clue while you have a shovel in your
	hands.

> (probably using words like
>"capillaries" and "pores" that they didn't teach you in remedial
>drooling school)

	Oh, so that's where you learned your communication skills.

	...Now I understand...


			-Karl


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From: lrb@alex.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: Home tattoo? Scarification?
Organization: Robarts Research Institute, London Canada.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 13:49:08 GMT
Keywords: n

In article <9204102152.AA26777@echidna.swdc.stratus.com> jane@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Jane Beckman) writes:
>Glad you're sterilizing your equipment.  BTW, sewing thread and needles is 
>pretty close to the way the Eskimos were doing tattooing, in previous times.

could i/we have a pointer to tattooing by the eskimos [inuit,first persons]
i really enjoyed my recent readings on moari tattooing.


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