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From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Show-Bottom (was Gleanings 58)
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11) To play show-bottom (Gilbert)
A childhood game of my own invention (or at least the term,
since I have never known anyone else who called it that)
which involved dropping the pants (or panties) to show one's
bottom --  an infantile version of <mooning>...  I was very
good at this game and managed to engage a large percentage of
the first grade population of Anson Grade School in this
delightful and revealing activity.
14) to play gynecologist with Diana McCaleb (Gilbert)
The logical extension (no pun intended) of the show-bottom
game....  in other words, "playing doctor"...  Diana is a
made-up name to protect the innocent.  One never knows who
is listening on the net.  McCaleb is a common family name
in <those parts>, but my frequent partner in this game,
my <patient>, so to speak, was *not* of that family.  She
now lives in Wichita Falls TX, or did according to the last
report I heard about her.  Wonder if she remembers me?
45) IRTN - As I have explained, In Real Trouble Now, which
is what I am *in* if the *real* Diana McCaleb is reading this
post.  Kiss and tell, indeed.
--ggs (sorry for everything he did at the age of 7)
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A taxonomy of humor
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> Nonsense.  In 1926, when Fowler wrote his words, common usage specified
> the use of masculine gender terms as inclusive.  OF course, it's hardly

I wasn't alive in 1926 and thus had no way to know that Fowler was
including women when he said men.  To me, women are women and men are
men.  That's why I misunderstood his intention.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Time Mark

Just a short mark in time while I free the straining arms from the roots
that chain it to the soil.

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK%IUBACS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Letter in Time (saves nine)

>>abh:  I stopped in same dirty restroom in Sulligent, AL, a few hours ago,
>>hoping to find your letter in -Time-.  But the old copies of -Time- were
>>gone, replaced by scattered sections of a Tuscaloosa newspaper.
>Try a doctor's office, or better yet, the library.:-)  Local public libraries
>often contain some strange things....
>
>Ruth
>takes one to know one


Which issue of Time did the letter appear in?

-Mka
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From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re: Too busy to play Words-l
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>   I whant to be a physical theropist when I get out of
>  Salem State. I injoy sports, I play Basketball, and
>  shoot riffles. I'm on the Mass. State riffle team. But
>  I'am hopeing to do well at Salem.

>They shoot riffles, don't they?

     Maybe the kid is an inexperienced whitewater rafter.

     Carol
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tongues, Jasmine, and Football (was Re: Tongue
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> Not to spoil your fun, but this is articulatory phonetics, not phonology.

But articulatory phonetics is part of phonology in that a phonological
system is impossible without phones.

> As long as we are in babbling mood...does anyone know if gardenias need
> a lot of water? As much as hibiscus?

The only gardenias I ever planted died.  Can't remember now whether it was
from too much water, too little water, or neither of the above.

End of 1st quarter:  MSU 13   Texas 0

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:49:51 EDT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: For WHo's Sake?
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On Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:21:05 GMT, "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK@CFRVM.BITNET> wrote:
> I expect most of you have heard the expression "For Pete's Sake!"....I was
> wondering why Pete?  Why not Frank?  and why let George do it?  Why not

St Peter, St George?  Any old expression is usually religious.  Oaths
didn't become sexual until much later.

G
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From: jwagner@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Judith O Wagner)
Subject: Re: wordsler birthdays
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:03:42 GMT

In article <F8D36D156EBF20422D@cc.weber.edu> BZ <TSBZALESKI@CC.WEBER.EDU> writes:
>I'll add my b-day.  July 20.  Who is compiling all this data, anyway?
>
>Betty (remember Neil Armstrong and 1st Apollo Moon landing ) Z

Mine's September 18.

2Judith who share it with Greta Garbo--or did
From: ak743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doretta Hanschka)
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Date: 16 Sep 1992 03:53:04 GMT
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In a previous article, torkel@SICS.SE () says:

>  >That's his wavy forelock...*pompador*! That's the word!
>
>  You should know by now, Judith, that every time you come up with a word,
>I consult our local webster.
A useful beast, it seems.:)

>No definition  for 'pompador'.  Maybe you mean:
>  1. pompadour
>bast> webster pompadour
>(ca. 1887)
>1a: a man's style of hairdressing in which the hair is combed into
>     a high mound in front
Think Elvis circa 1956/57.:-)  It worked well with the white T-shirt and
tight jeans look of the 50s.  James Dean had one too, I think., at least for
a while.  As I wasn't alive back then, it's difficult to recall.  Giggles?
what sayest thou?  Hast thy aged brain the capacity to remember such things of
yore? [that damned, elusive, pompadour?]
>1b: a woman's style of hairdressing in which the hair is brushed into
>     a loose full roll around the face
Popular during WWII, and often accompanied by a crocheted hair net?

Ruth
who doesn't go back that far

>
-- 
Nethead, aka the Ruth Hanschka, hath enscribed herein, a message
	ap290 and ak743 , both of the Cleveland Freenet
			Here Be Dragons
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 08:42:37 -0400
From:         droby@NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU
Subject:      Re: network mail addressing problem
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              06 Sep 92 12:07:16 EDT." <9209061227.aa13872@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

>
>Do most unix mailers understand either form of addressing (bang paths or
>usual internet form)?  Does it depend on whether your site is on both
>UUCP and the internet?
>

	Many Unix mailers understand both.  As Graham noted, sendmail
can be made to understand just about anything and do just about
anything you want with it.  Alot of places have a local UUCP network
AND a local TCP/IP network even if they use something else (e.g.
BITNET) to communicate with the outside world.
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:20:26 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Country Codes (not a list this time)
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I found a fairly recent list of country codes at bitnic.educom.edu.
It's netinfo/COUNTRY.CODES.  Bulgaria is listed as bg.  There was no
uc.  Could it be ug instead?  That's Uganda.

I'll put the country codes list I just got in docs/words-l/Net-Stuff
as country.codes since we're not hurting for space right now.  I realize
that's kind of redundant since it's available elsewhere, but lots of
things in our ftp space are redundant.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 10:24:13 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Bertie Wooster 1
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  Karen, Bayla, and Tushar - a formidable trio! - persist in labeling
Bertie Wooster a "mindless twit", and clearly it's time to argue the
point more carefully. But I see that Tushar has reduced his position
to the statement that "He is a chump, but it's hard to say why". So
I had better return to the original statement, reportedly made by
Asimov, about "how difficult it is to write in the first-person
character of a blithering twit without coming off as a twit oneself."

  The question how it is possible to write in the first person
character of a blithering twit without coming off as a twit oneself is
like the well-known riddle about the fish and the barrel of water. We
have a barrel completely filled to the brim with (fresh) water, and a
small fish. When we put the small fish into the barrel, no water slops
over the brim. The riddle is, How is this possible?

  More in the next message.
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:27:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Gleanings (58)
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>      _One Hundred Years of Solitude_ is a great novel by Gabriel
>      Garcia Marquez, the South American writer whose country of origin
>      I unfortunately do not remember.  I commend it to your attention.
>
>      Carol
Good suggestion, Carol.  He is from Colombia.  Though he has written
quite a few novels since _100 Years_, it is definitely the most
interesting, I think.  Good translation by Gregory Rabassa, available
in paperback (Avon, I think)....  After that novel, try _Terra Nostra_
by Carlos Fuentes....  will blow your mind away if you can get
through it.
--ggs
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:22:03 LCL
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      The Joneses
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Regarding my last posting (an e-oops): see how starved for Words-L
traffic one is after just 29 hours?

brad
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Gleanings (58)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 13:55:47 GMT


Alas for the senescent memory!  I went a-digging in my sf (science fiction)
magazine collection for a sample of the stories I mentioned: turns out that
at least one of them (I stopped looking after the first: these mags are
packed tightly in a box at the moment) appeared in -Asimov's Science
Fiction Magazine- April 1982.  The author is Somtow Sucharitkul, a
multi-talented Thai whose language skills are extraordinary.  

The story in the Arpil 1982 issue isn't the beginning of the series, nor
the first published: only the first one to come to hand as I looked through
the randomized group in the packing carton.

--bayla

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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:20:40 EDT
From:         mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Aspiration
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what's a huckle-bone?
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Subject: Bulwer-Lytton Entry #2
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:07:02 GMT
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     From: "Balls and all Bitch, a love story
     To Leon, for his gift of Neon

     "The walls were wet with envy, and they mocked me."
 
RICHH
--unafraid

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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:54:05 EDT
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: SEX ID
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>From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
>
>        Quick!  All you single words-lers of the appropriate sex!
>Don't let this hot fish get a way..
Sorry, I no longer date men who are younger than
my own children...

judith
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Leaving... ?
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>If mail here bounces, I can be reached as Tony.Harminc@canrem.com .

>It's been good...

>Tony H.

	No, no, a thousand times no!!!  You are *not* permitted to leave, Tony.

	With UToronto, York, and maybe others in town, and McMaster not all
	that far away, surely you can find some way to maintain a presence.

[hoping, nay *expecting*, to hear from you again]
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:08:03 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Why I Teach
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> At UCLA, in 1954, when there were something like 13,000
> students, incoming frosh took the "Subject A Exam", a two
> hour test, including a one hour essay on a given subject.

When did they take it, and who graded it?  I'm asking those questions
because we've debated that kind of thing many times here.  We used to
have a "junior proficiency exam" as did many schools, but those writing
exams were taken in the middle of the year.  I can see how the freshmen
who show up for orientation sessions during the summer could take such
an exam then, but what about those who don't show up until fall?  And
who should grade the summer exams?  Those people teaching summer school?
This, of course, can lead to the question of requiring all freshmen to
show up for summer orientation, maybe even giving it 1-hr pass/fail credit
required for graduation.  We've debated all these issues but have yet to
find the right answers.  Finding out how it's done at other places can be
useful -- if those places are comparable -- i.e., if they're state
universities with a wide range of students from all over the world, some
with valid reasons not to be able to come to an orientation session
a month or two before classes start.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Today's pop quiz
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:55:21 GMT

BAck in the Dark Ages, when I was in High School, we learned about the
unification of Germany.  I got 98/100 on the quiz, because I'd left out
"north of the River Main."  I don't remember *anything* else about the
unification of Germany, except that it had something to do with Bismark!

In another class, the teacher asked us to read a certain line of a poem: as
each of us read it, she said "no," and called on another.  The problem, it
turned out, was with the first two words of the line, 'live' and 'so'.  I
don't remember now if we were supposed to declaim  "Live, so..." or "Live
so,...", nor do I remember the poem (-Thanatopsis-, maybe?)

Pedagogy is fine and dandy, but some folks are just hopeless and clueless
forever and ever amen no matter *what* you do to drum education into their
skulls.

On the otther han, after a full day of repeating to9 my mother, "seven
times eight is fifty-six" and "eight times seven is fifty-six," I remember
-that- ; just don't ask me for six times seven!  I have to do subtraction,
on paper, for that one.

--bayla
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:37:39 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Blondie and Dagwood
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              11 Sep 92 16:22:49 -0400. <199209112031.AA12817@sunic.sunet.se>

 >Did anyone see "Blondie" this morning?  How long will Blondie and Dagwood
 >work together, and will their working together ruin their marriage?

  According to a preview in a paper here, Dagwood will work in the catering
business only for two weeks, after which he returns to his old job..
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:42:00 EST
From:         "Alec D. Plotkin 215-645-4366" <185422285@CATS.UCIS.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My trip- the conclusion.
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>     Thanks, Alec.  It was good to hear more about your trip.
>     I admire your courage in working on your writing and in sharing
>     it with us.

>     Carol

Thanks, this and other comments make me happy. It makes the
writing seem worth doing.

later

alec
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From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: brushes
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> Dan, Dan, Dan - have you been taking lessons from Giggles?  Or was it from
> your wife?:-)  Daughter?  If one of the above [need I say which] caught you
> talking like that to me, you'd find out what a close shave is *really* like.
> [ever been near-missed by a cast iron skillet?]
>
> It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead

I just have one question:  How did I ever get this reputation?  What
did I do?  What did I do?  Sweet thing that I am.
--ggs
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From:         mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58)
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Marquez. Originally from Columbia. Resides in Mexico. Has been
refused visa to U.S. because of political views. Great, great
book.  Marilyn
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: wordsler birthdays
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Bernard's is April 15.
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 11:28:16 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Bertie Wooster 2
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  The answer to the riddle is that it is not possible, and similarly
with Asimov's reflection. He's been fooled by Wodehouse. Suppose we
start at the other end, and look at the evidence of Bertram
Wilberforce Wooster's writings. Far from "blithering", he is a master
of coherent, intelligent, original, wonderfully funny descriptions and
turns of phrase. Far from being a "twit" he has a remarkable grasp of
the difficult art of presenting and elucidating a highly complex chain
of events.  Now admittedly there is on the face of it a certain lack
of harmony between this and Bertie's tendency to react to difficult
situations by saying "Er..what? what? what? what? I say, what?". So
how are we to understand this?

  I think Bertie is very good at protective camouflage. Not that he is
a secret mastermind, or anything of the sort, but he is aware of his
many vulnerable points - his fear of aunts, the attraction he
apparently holds for powerful females who want to mold his mind, his
susceptibility to the pleas of his friends to enter into harebrained
schemes, and so on - and he tries to adapt himself to circumstances so
as to minimize his exposure to these dangers. His interests are not
intellectual, but surely nobody can believe that Bertie speaks of
Jeeves as "liking nothing better than to curl up with Spinoza's
latest" in ignorance of the fact that Spinoza is a long dead and
completely unreadable philosopher?

  By the way, has anybody here read a rather curious and interesting
book called "William, or More Loved than Loving"?
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From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz

>Pedagogy is fine and dandy, but some folks are just hopeless and clueless
>forever and ever amen no matter *what* you do to drum education into their
>skulls.

Well, no disrespect to teachers and their efforts, but whatever I have
been through in my little life just says that the most wildly different
teaching styles and methods have exactly the same effect on the student.

tushar
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From:         "Alec D. Plotkin 215-645-4366" <185422285@WILD.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My trip- the conclusion.
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>Posted on 8 Sep 1992 at 13:13:47 by Alec D. Plotkin 215-645-4366
>>on one of the best run public transit systems in the world.(the Paris Metro)

>Aren't you confusing it w/ the Washington metro?  I wasn't impressed w/ the
>Paris Metro--I was there for three weeks, and a strike went on for the
>whole time; began before I came, finished after I left.  I also got
>bronchitis from the air in the metro--or lack thereof.  But, this was
>in January, a non-touristy time.

>Karen
You must have been in Paris at a unlucky time. The 20 or so times I tried
the Metro(Paris) it worked without a hitch. The bronchitis was probobly
from bacteria or a virus not the Metro. Strikes are common in France and
expected. You learn to work around them.  The trains were clean, well
lit and I felt safe. Those three things are important for me.

later
alec
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: Re[2]: Brother Barbara
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	>Boy, if that's where you end up if you follow their maps, that's
	>once car club I'm *not* joining.

	Sorry, Graham, but the car club is AAA (American Automobile Association).

Not in Britain it isn't.  And I'd imagine considerably more British AA members
get their cars to/in the Nile than do USA AAA members...

G
PS Are you *sure* that email address should end in .ac, and not .ac.something?
.ac.?? is usually the academic subdomain of some other network, eg .ac.uk
or .ac.it or .ac.nz ...  Those nodenames look distinctly un-English.  French
or Italian perhaps?  try a .fr or .it after the address?

G
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