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From: wehrspannben@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Favorite beers of world from IA
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:10:17 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

For favorite beer info, I guess I'd have to say the best stuff I've ever 
had was the original Czechloslovakian Budweiser and Pilsner Urquell, made 
in Pilsner, Czech.  I had the opportunity to actually drink some on tap in 
Germany.  Pure Godhead.  As far as American beer goes, you can get Blatz 
for $5.99 a case in some parts of Wisconsin.  Normally I'm a Leinenkugels 
type of guy, but when there's a 5 dollar difference in case prices, you 
can't beat the taste of Blatz from a bottle.
From: duane@alpha.aosg.gsf.dec.com (Andrew Duane AOSG)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Boston brewpubs?
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:08:47 GMT
Organization: AOSG

In article <Bu2Kxq.Ay8@wrs.com>, gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven) writes:
|> Anyway, thanks for the list...I'll be in Boston in a couple of weeks
|> myself.  Anybody up for a beer?

Definitely. I can always be talked into a trip to the Boston Beer works.
Getting me to the Commonwealth or Cambridge breweries is harder - it
might take up to 10 seconds of convincing.

Seriously, drop me a line if you'd like some company...

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Only my cat shares my opinions, and she prefers stouts to ales.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: arneberg@lioth.cs.adfa.oz.au (Bjorn Arne Berge)
Subject: Re: Good Norwegian beer
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:16:12 GMT

In article <christea.4@dhhalden.no>, christea@dhhalden.no (CHRISTER ANDR JAKOBSEN) writes:
|> In article <audung.1@dhhalden.no> audung@dhhalden.no (AUDUN GROTTEROD) writes:
|> 
|> >There is something called Borg gulll or Borg goldbeer....
|> >You should taste it....It's the best.
|> 
|> Okey, Borg gulll is good, but Fredrikstad Bryggeri products is in fact much 
|> better!

But both Borg and Fredrikstad have some in common, they taste like horsep...
compared to Lysholmer Special Beer from E.C.Dahls, Trondheim, Norway.

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Coors & High-Gravity Brewing (long)
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:50:50 GMT

In a fit of pique, I wrote:

>"Finished" Coors Light has a SG of, what, maybe 1004?  So if the
>"high-gravity" brew is diluted 1:1 with pure water, the high-gravity
>brew's SG is around 1008.  That's high-gravity, all right...

I must apologize for posting misleading, inaccurate information.
According to Eckhardt, here are the numbers for Coors Light:

		OG	%v/v	FG	IBU	color (on a scale of 10)
Coors Light	1035	4.4	1001	9	1.5

So what I should have said was:

"Finished" Coors Light has a SG of 1001, so if the "high-gravity" brew
is diluted 1:1 with pure water, the high-gravity brew's SG is around
1002.  That's high-gravity, all right...

Again, my apologies.

gak
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P.S.  Read Eckhardt's book...his treatment of Budweiser is most entertaining.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: Re: Good Norwegian beer
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 18:10:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton) writes:

>This subject has come up at least three times in the past year. Now, I lived in
>Norway for a while, and thus have a special place in my heart (and maybe my
>liver also) for Nordland Pils, Mack Gull, and Frydenlund Juloel.
>
>I do think it is necessary, however, to ask whether this subject is relevant to
>anyone who lives outside of Norway. Specifically, are there any Norwegian
>brands that can be purchased in N.A. or Europe besides Ringnes Gold or
>Frydenlund Pils? And if not, is is possible to "special order" specific
>Norwegian (or, even better, Czech or German) brands not generally available?

I've always enjoyed the Aass brews:  Pilsner and Bock.  I've found them here
in California.

Jon

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley)
Subject: Re: Beer in a bag?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date:  9 Sep 92 00:21:22 GMT

zabarnic@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu (Steve Zabarnick) writes:

>A while ago I received as a gift, a kit which allows one to make their own beer
>in a bag. The kit consists of a bag to which one adds hot water and then cold
>water. Then you let it sit for 6 weeks to 6 months. I started mine on March1,
>and first tasted it 8 weeks later.  It was terrible! It had a nice amber color
>and a decent head with tiny bubbles, but it had absolutely no flavor and tasted
>like it was flat and lacked alcohol content. Since then I've tasted it a couple
>of more times, but it is still quite undrinkable.

>Has anyone had any experience with these bag o' beers? 

No but it's not surprising.  Please don't think the same applies
to home brew in general.  Making it right is not much harder,
and can produce truly excellent beer.

Jon

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: dixonme@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (DIXON MICHAEL EVERETT)
Subject: Favorite beer
Keywords: Shiner
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:18:52 GMT


I have to cast my vote for SHINER BOCK.  Only
two kettles brewed a day in Shiner, TX. Very
tasty at about 65 degrees. Find out what Rice
University already knows - Have one today.  
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Just Not My Night
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:51:35 GMT

I've taken a fair pounding on this group lately for my opinions on
Anderson Valley's beers.  (Never mind that I said I thought they were
awful but everyone should try them just to be sure...)

Just to prove that I'm right ( :-) I went to Pacific Coast Brewery in
Oakland last night, because they always have a couple of AV beers on
tap.  Note:  I don't like PCB's beers either, but they always have a
bunch of classics on tap.  Here are my notes as best I can recall (I
left the hardcopy on the table):

Pacific Coast IPA:  not bad.  A little thin, and way overdone with
		    finishing hops, but probably the best beer they've
		    made.

Anderson Valley Wheat:  actually drinkable.  American style wheat (no
		    clove character) with lots of wheat sweetness.  The
		    "ammonia" flavor is still there, but nothing like
		    the overpowering concentration that I remember.
		    Someone very persuasive might be able to talk me
		    into buying a bottle of this.

Anderson Valley Oatmeal Stout:  very thick, very black beer.  Not a bad
		    stout, and if the "ammonia" is here, I can't taste
		    it.  I prefer my oats without stout, and vice
		    versa, but this isn't bad as far as it goes.

Sudwerk Dunkel:  Light-bodied dark lager.  Clean and refreshing.  Does
                    a good job of washing that stout down.

Lost Coast Brown:  Amazing.

So there you have it.  I've tried AV beers on a number of occasions
during the past three years or so, and every time I kept hoping that
they had improved.  This is the first time I've noticed any
improvement.  I still wouldn't call myself a convert, but I'll stop
bashing them until/unless they slide...

I owe you a beer.

gak

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From: tom@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Tom Evers)
Newsgroups: alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re: Coors & High-Gravity Brewing (long)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:56:39 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <Bu9q60.4Fs@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
>In article ctua2s@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us, joseph@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us (Joseph Nathan Hall) writes:
>>
>>                              * DISCLAIMER *
>>
>>I would also add that I don't drink either beer and probably wouldn't
>>recommend anyone drink either one unless he or she doesn't much like the
>>taste of beer.
 
 Ditto
>
>I don't drink either of these beers, and I can't even think of a good use for them.
>
 You keep them in your 'fridge so that your friends that don't appreciate good
 beer will not drink your good beer.  Hell, some of my friends are even happier
 drinking Coors. :)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: mbfeld@unix.amherst.edu (MARLON BEN FELD)
Subject: New Amsterdam Amber Beer
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:14:58 GMT

A lot of talk has been going on about favorite beers, so I have to plug mine:
New Amsterdam Amber Beer.  It's not too light (like standard American swill)
or too dark (like Guinness), it avoids being bland without having a bitter
aftertase, and it can be had easily in the NYC area.  Funny how the foreign
stuff (some of which is quite good) can't beat the ol' home town brew...

Marlon Feld
(mbfeld@amherst)
In Spain, San Miguel is cheaper than Coke.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey)
Subject: Re: Favorite beer
Keywords: Shiner
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 03:57:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.231852.6844@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> dixonme@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (DIXON MICHAEL EVERETT) writes:
>
>I have to cast my vote for SHINER BOCK.  Only
>two kettles brewed a day in Shiner, TX. Very
>tasty at about 65 degrees. Find out what Rice
>University already knows - Have one today.  

I'd have to disagree here... I thought Shiner Bock was pretty good food
myself until I started getting a little wider exposure to imports. While
Shiner Bock isn't BAD beer (it's a big step up from Budmiloors), it's no
Guiness.

If you really insist on claiming allegiance to a local Texas beer, go with
Celis Golden, made here in Austin.  Far far superior to Shiner Bock, IMHO.
Or perhaps Pecan Street Lager, but the variance from batch to batch of Pecan
Street is a bit wide for my taste.

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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 15 Sep 1992 12:15:54 EDT
From: <IO92257@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Homebrew

Hello fellow beer drinkers... something wonderful happened
to me.  I DRANK HOMEBREW!  I'm ruined now.  Bud is now
barely drinkable,  Busch is puke waiting to happen!
  So I've decided to brew my own...  and I am wondering,
what equipment do I need?  Is a glass 5 gal bottle worth
it, or should I stick with a plastic bucket?  Is it true
that Homebrew has more alcohol than "commercial" beer. (5
%)  These are things I'd like your opinion on, or even
better, facts. (Although I'll bet that when it comes to
beer, most "fact"is really opinion! :)
Also, about flavored beer... is there a best time to add
flavorings?
Thanx...
-Cutter 'just 21' Cook  ;)
From: dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Alcohol content
Date: 14 Sep 1992 00:08:43 GMT
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hector.cs.brown.edu

Perhaps now that this list has re-emerged, I can get an explanation
on how to read it.  When I see entries like...

Grolsch Lager Beer                  5.11     44
   Grolsch Bierbrouweri (Holland)  5.17     44
                                    5.16     43
                                    5.37     44
Guinness Extra Stout
   Gulnness (Ireland)               4.27     43

How am I to read the different numbers for Grolsh?  Are these indications
for more than one brew (Grolsch Dark, etc), or perhaps for content in
different countries?

-David V.
 dwv@cs.brown.edu
From: failsafe@cellar.org (Failsafe)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: 33 -- what does it mean ?!? (Beufort)
Date: 8 Sep 92 10:37:53 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

DEVILBISS@OCTAVE.LARC.NASA.GOV (Zaphod Beeblebrox) writes:

> >Has anyone heard the Rolling Rock commercials asking what the 33 on the
> >back of the bottle means ?  
> 
> I have heard that the original brewer of Rolling Rock bet on a horse with the
> won the  brewery or enough money to start a brewery.  Check with alt.folklore
> 
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>         If we could not laugh, we would go insane!     J. Buffett
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What I heard, among others, was that there are 33 words on the Rolling Rock
label back (true) and also that 1933 was the year when prohibition ended.
I've never heard an official explanation. I think the company wants it to
remain that way. Any others?

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From: scott@ssvs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tom Scott)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Cherry beer
Summary: help
Keywords: cherry beer
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:48:23 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

My fiance'e, a Parisienne, keeps telling me I should look for cherry beer.
Now that she's back in Paris, she has no trouble finding European brews.
Help! Anyone know of an American version of Kirsch(?)  ?
I tried Brickskellar (in Wash. DC, definitely the place to go for enjoying a
world-wide selection), but they're not into cherry beer.
So,  if anyone knows of easier-to-find cherry beers...
Date: Sunday, 13 Sep 1992 15:30:24 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Alternatives to Guiness (DEFINED)
 <1992Sep11.222203.6501@bnlux1.bnl.gov> <BuJ2r9.Jt8@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>

being a son of the auld sod, of course guiness is my favorite.  however,
a good alternative is "dragon stout" of jamaica.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: siebeck@infoac.rmi.de (Wolfgang Siebeck)
Subject: Re: 33 -- what does it mean ?!? (Beufort)
Organization: RMI Net INFO.box Systems - Aachen - Hamburg - Wien
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:44:10 GMT

It reminds me of the vacation of life. I had a plenty of
33's when I stayed in Viet Nam some 18 years ago.
Those were the days ....

-ws
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From: news@ringer.cs.utsa.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: favorite beer
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:34:00 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Originator: djoiner@lonestar.utsa.edu

As for my favorite beer, the Celis family has moved back to Texas,
and is producing a very fine Wheat beer by the name of Celis White.

Maybe I'm prejudiced :-), but I prefer Texas beers over any domestic,
and most imports.  This is of course, not counting Bathwater }:-(,
which, while I am happy to drink, just isn't a real beer.

    Other favorites are:
        Celis Golden
        Shiner Bock -- also a Texas beer
        Foster's Lager
        Anchor Steam
        and of course
        Guiness

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley)
Subject: Re: Guinness (non-imported)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:39:38 GMT

beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham) writes:


>Although Guinness is one of my favorite beers here in the states, have any of 
>you had it where it's brewed??

Unfortunately no.

>I was just in Ireland (and I visited the 
>Guinness brewery).  The Guinness there tastes much different, and is much 
>better in Ireland.  The reason being is that when they export the beer from 
>Ireland, they must put in preservatives and additives.

Actually I think the big difference is pasteurization;  I've never
heard them accused of adding anything wierd to their export products.

>These change the taste
>of the stout, and give it a very bitter taste.

Are you thinking of the bottled Guinness Extra Stout?  That is
indeed quite strong and bitter, and not as much to my liking
as the smooth draught Guinness.  Still not as good as the 
unpasteurized Dublin version, I'm told, but hard to beat on
our side of the pond when served properly.

>Even coutries as near as 
>England still have these additives in thier Guinness.  My favorite beer in 
>Ireland... Guinness, but not my favorite in the US. 

Guinness has breweries, or is brewed on contract by other breweries,
in many different countries.  England Guinness is brewed in England,
in Canada it's brewed by contract by (I think) LaBatts, and there's
even a Brewery in Jamaica.  The US is one of the few countries that
actually gets it from Ireland, albiet in pasteurized form.

The significance of this is that, according to several Irishmen I've heard,
US Guinness is second only to Ireland Guinness in tastyness.

Now if I could only get over there to do some in deapth research to
confirm this for myself!!

Jon Binkley
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Montejo Ceveceria
Date: 8 Sep 1992 12:01:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Has anyone found any of the Montejo beers in the US? This is a 
brewery in Yucatan and makes beer much better than the Corona/
Tecate belly wash. In fact, it may be the best Mexican beer. Even
better than Bohemia at it's best. (Fresh, not having sat on a
loading dock in Chicago all summer).
-- 
Ted....
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: adamsjd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Subject: Re: Home Brew!!
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:13:36 GMT







In article <Bu0Kry.CpK@acsu.buffalo.edu> v086jxa4@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu  
(EVAN) writes:
> Hello to everyone!  I am getting interested in the hobby of Home  
Brewing.
> I was wondering if someone can send me information on how I can get  
started.
> Are there any mail order catalogs? ETc.
> 
> Any information will be greatly appreciated!!
> 
> -Evan
From: dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Alcohol content
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:37:58 GMT
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hector.cs.brown.edu

In article <1992Sep14.035535.17856@wixer.cactus.org>, lestat@wixer.cactus.org
(Lyle J. Mackey) writes:
|> 
|> Begin light flame: RTF.. uh.. I, yeah, RTFI. <grin>  End light flame.
|> 
|> To tell you the truth, I wondered about it the first time I saw the list as
|> well, since the intro was missing from the post I originally grabbed.
|> 

OOPS :*)  I am very much blushing.

-David V.
 dwv@cs.brown.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: brown@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.carl.brown)
Subject: Pubs in Geneva
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:54:35 GMT

  I'll be going to Geneva next week, (and every 6 months thereafter),
and am interested in finding a few nice pubs.  It would seem that
Geneva would be accommodating to the international clientele with
spectacular selections of world brews.  Any and all suggestions
would be appreciated.
Thanks!

John Carl Brown
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: New Amsterdam Amber Beer
Date: 14 Sep 1992 20:30:10 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <BuH6Ky.wH@unix.amherst.edu> mbfeld@unix.amherst.edu (MARLON BEN FELD) writes:
>A lot of talk has been going on about favorite beers, so I have to plug mine:
>New Amsterdam Amber Beer.

   I'll add a plug for this one.  If I had to chose a single word to
describe it, it'd be "nice."  It's not great, but it's really satisfying
and is fairly cheap (costs about what Sam Adams does but tastes better).
--
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Newsgroups: alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Coors & High-Gravity Brewing (long)
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:04:05 GMT

In article <BuE4wn.I4s@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.185204.26892@news.nd.edu> ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
>>Can someone tell me why there is such a great desire to bash producers of
>>American light lager?...
...
>I guess most of us who devote a freat deal of time and energy to producing
>a quality beer...  ...would simply say that you have
>not yet seen the light.

Some of us would say he's seen the light, but hasn't tasted it.
(Others may say he should taste the dark instead... :')

I must say I do enjoy an American beer from time to time, but I have long
since given up drinking only one kind of beer.  If I had to name a first
choice off the top of my head, I'd probably pick a nut brown ale for
social drinking.  But that'd still be second to a Glenlivet on ice.
I don't brew yet (though I expect to start within a few weeks (thanks,
LeighAnn!)) but I have invested considerable effort and thought to
cooking chilli.  I generally make 3 or 4 gallon batches anymore, and keep
the extra frozen for emergency use.  But if I get the taste for it,
and I don't happen to have any stocked, there are some commercial
alternatives that I consider acceptable.  I suspect the less active
(though by no means less serious) brewers may feel the same - if you don't
brew enough to keep ahead of consumption, then you will have to make do
from time to time; when economics jump in, it's hard for me to justify
the cost of a case of Sam Adams vs. a case of Huber, especially when
much of the consumption will be done by infidels.  :')

(I'm getting too serious lately.  This was supposed to be a two-line quip!)
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