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From: goldman@orac.CRAY.COM (Matthew D. Goldman)
Subject: Re: Capital ships
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:03:32 CDT

In article <1992Aug14.124013.4955@gw.wmich.edu> 751kaiser@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>say
>
>does anyone know of where i can get a hold of the other capital ships
>from StarWars besides the StarDestroyer?
>
>like the frigates, the SuperStarDestroyer, etc....
>
>matthew						galileo

I'd suggest contacting the Imperial construction yards...


:-)

Matt

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Date: Wed,  2 Sep 1992 17:33:46 -0400 
From: Michael Raymond Cote <mc7g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: canon
	<1992Sep1.223322.15205@njitgw.njit.edu>

YAWN.

Don't get so uptight over what's real and what isn't in a _fantasy_
universe.    If you don't like certain material, don't read it.  But
please don't ruin other people's enjoyment of that same material by
saying "This is real and this is not."  Even with disclaimers (such as
the one regarding the Zahn novels and resulting game materials) it's up
to the individual to determine if given material fits with their view of
the SW universe.  Everyone's interpretation of Star Wars is different
and none is wrong.  If you only accept the movies, fine; but don't push
this _single perspective of Star Wars_ on anyone else. 

It's fantasy and let's just enjoy it.  

--Michael Cote

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From: jorichar@ic.sunysb.edu (The Lurker)
Subject: Re: From Star Wars to Jedi ....
Originator: jorichar@csws19.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:25:20 GMT

rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes:
>tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
>>joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
[Blah blah ILM stuff deleted]
>>>2) Lucas has ben heavily into Young Indy the past year and since it has been
>>>renewed for this fall, I'm sure he is busy right now. If anything, I would
>>>say that Young Indy has pushedthe next SW movie farther away.
>>
>>Has he really been heavily into Young Indy or has he said he's busy
>>with it. They're two different things.

My GF said that she heard that Lucas was NOT going to start on the next
SW movie until AFTER he finished Young Indy. Go figure.

>Well, considering YI has been filmed on location in various parts of the
>world, I'd say it probably does take up a reasonable chunk of his time.

Yeh. see above. Why the hell would any sane man want to split his time
like that? You tell 'em Walrus!

>>>3)Could he actually have a film in production without some one leaking it 
>>>out? It is possable but VERY unlikely. With the amount of people that he
>>>will have working on it, news is bound to leak out.

Give me a break. SOMEONE will talk. NO ONE can keep their mouths shut. 
'Specially if it'll get them a spot on 'Entertainment tonight' with 
Leeza Gibbons.

>>If Lucas has paid well enough to keep people's mouths closed. And, if
>>no-one knows who's acting in SW or who's doing some work with SW,
>>no-one knows who to ask. If Lucas has picked up previously unknown
>>actors like he mostly did with ANH, it wouldn't be too difficult to
>>keep their mouth shut. 
>>That leaves all technicians etc. out but if Lucas has made some kind
>>of agreement with them... 'If you leak out you're fired immediately'.
>>It would keep mouths shut too. And if those technicians etc. have been
>>paid enough, they have no need to tell anyone.

Like, how's he gonna know who talks? 'Entertainme Tonight' is a big show...

>
>>(Sorry people for posting again this 'when next SW movie comes out'
>>thing but I was very interested in that bet :-)
>
>Hey, it's your money...:)

Say, was there a deadline or time limit for the bet...There *is* gonna be 
another movie, we just don't know when it's gonna be released (or begin, for
that matter).

>The Walrus
>


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Subject: Carrie's Baby
From: arang@desire.wright.edu
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:53:30 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

Does anyone out there have any information about Carrie Fisher and her baby?  I
think she was due around mid-July.  Thanks.

Amy Rang
Wright State University

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From: joshua@lclark.edu (Joshua Rochester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: question + ROTJ FLAME
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:28:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Aug25.192832.9532
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <71632@apple.Apple.COM> talcott@Apple.COM (Adam Talcott) writes:
>It seems to me that some people are taking "Jedi" and analyzing it outside of
>the context of the Star Wars trilogy.  If this were the case, "Empire" would be
>a horrible film (aside from the fact that it introduced Boba Fett, it consists
>of a number of disjoint events and has no plot whatsoever).
>
>Instead of looking at the trilogy as three distinct movies, I tend to look
>at them as a whole.  "Star Wars" is the exciting opening that pulls you into
>the universe and introduces its characters.  "Empire" is the (relative) lull in
>the middle that develops the characters, gives them more depth and adds to their
>history with relatively minor adventures.  Finally, "Jedi" wraps up all of the
>loose ends and brings the story to a conclusion.
>
>IMHO, if the films are examined in any other way, "Star Wars" is the only film
>that I would call good (well, I would call it magnificent!)

I don't think that anyone really minds what happens (in a general sense)
in Jedi, I think that we are upset about the stup, annoying, and
sleep-inspiring way that it was all executed. Boring scenes and way too
many cutsie Ewoks were horrid. Ending the series was fine, though.

As a contrast, a lot of people love ESB, despite the fact that it has
little plot motion--because it was well executed.

Josh Rochester
joshua@lclark.edu
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-Yoda
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Does anyone know the name....
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:38:57 GMT

In <1992Aug26.184731.9128@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> bmcm@beech.lle.rochester.edu (Brian McMaster) writes:


>Does anyone know the name of the monster in the sand pit that Luke
>and Han were to be thrown into (by Jaba) and slowly digested ?

The Budget Deficit? :)

>Also, what was the name of the Creature that Luke killed by closing
>the gate on when it was about to eat him (TESB I think).  This was in
>Jaba's place.

I think it was called the Rancour, or Rancor, depending on your
nationality.

Michael
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Funniest canon problem ever...
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:43:59 GMT


Marvel's pre-Jedi comics -- some even before ESB came out -- had
'Jabba the Hutt' -- as a yellow skinned blob. He was humanoid
in size and proportions, unlike the later one.

Very funny!

Scott
From: cad214@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("P.Craig")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Mark Hamill's employed again
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:23:24 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

Well, just a quick word from Scotland's current Mark Hamill expert here. Since
finsihing Return Of The Jedi Hamill has appeared in six on and three off Broadway
plays including Elephant Man, Amadeus and The Nerd. This is why he has been
totally in absentia from all films until 1989. In March 1989, the film Slipstream
avec Mssr Hamill was released here in Britain, and was moderately successful, but
I don't think it was successful enough to be released in American cinemas. The
film was directed by Gary Kurtz, the producer of Star Wars. In the following
four years Mr Hamill has made several more movies including:- Avalon Awakening
with Peter Cushing, The Guyver or Mutronics as it was called over here, and Black
Magic Woman, which is an 18 cert and a bit dodgy to boot.  He has also appeared
in two episdodes of The Flash - The Trickster and Revenge of the Trickster which
were both rather good. In a magazine interview in `89, about Slipstream, he
stated that the reason for his absence was due in some part to the fact that his
wife had dropped another sprog, who was called Chelsea, and is now nearly four
years old. In case your wondering, he called the little girl Chelsea because
thats where his eldest son Nathan was born during filming of TESB, but Chelsea
would have been a naff name for a boy. And while I`m on the subject of my number
one favourite actor, please remember it is his 41st birthday in precisely 23 days
time.





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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:15:13 GMT


In a previous article, mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) says:

>I would assume that if you blew away the planet, you'd screw up the
>gravitational fields that keep the moon in place. Any physicists out there?

Um ... yeah.  The center of mass of the fragments would probably
stay about the same, but the moon would be INSIDE the sphere that
contains them, so you're right.  Which brings up another possibility.
Either the moon would go flying off into space, or it might get 
caught in the gravitational field of the first LARGE object it 
swings by, like ... say ... a moon-sized space station?

If that happened, it would be hard to blow the thing up because you
would risk destroying yourself with shrapnel.

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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: canon
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:56:22 GMT

Matthew Korth (dragon@camelot.bradley.edu) wrote:
: *please* just enjoy _Star_Wars_ and its spinoffs without these endless
: arguments over what actually happened?

How will we know what happened and what to enjoy unless we establish 
what was canon? :)

Scott
From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Canon...the Official Word from Lucasfilm.
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:56:24 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1992Aug29.132523.722@uvm.edu> cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
>From article <Bto4Fp.170@acsu.buffalo.edu>, by v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons):
>
>	Well, according to someone who attended a convention with WEG, 
>publishers of the Star Wars RPG, they  (WEG) were told by Lucasfilm
>that ONLY the Zahn novels (and I assume maybe the Han Solo and Lando ones 
>as well) are cannon.  Both the comic books and the "young adult" books
>are set in an alternate reality and thus are given the "fantastic license"
>to create the stories we're reading there.
>
>
> o SWRPG 2nd edition is to be released in October.
  What is SWRPG?

> o The sourcebook for The Last Command (final Zahn novel in this series) will
>   be released simutaniously with Zahn's novel.
  What is a sourcebook?         
  Does anyone have a date when the "The Last Command" will be released?

> o The "official" timeline for the movies is: ANH-(2-3 years)-ESB-(2-3 weeks)-
>   ROTJ.
> o WEG's new contract goes until 1996 when all three of the new movies will
>   be released, each within 6 months of each other.
 
    Who is WEG ?

Sorry for all the questions, I'm kinda new here.

Tim.


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From: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Vader's breathing problems
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:09:19 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Somebody asked why Vader breathed the way he does.  Somebody else
replied that the RotJ book mentioned Vader's fall into a molten
pit.  It seems to me, tho', that I heard this "Vader falls into
a volcano" theory way before RotJ came out.  Now, the fan-fiction
story treatment of FotR supposedly mentions this also (sorry
I rm'd my copy to appease the sysadmin disk space jockeys).
Which came first - RotJ or the FotR treatment?  And just how
"canon" did people think FotR was/is?  Does anyone know who
really wrote it?  Is the concensus that it was _not_ written
by somebody at Lucasfilm?


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From: sverkerw@csd.uu.se (Sverker Wiberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Darth Vader's name
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:57:52 GMT
Organization: CS, University of Uppsala, Sweden

>   Also, what exactly is the Sith, as in "Dark Lord of the..." ?

I belive that "Lord of the Sith" is a title connected to Vader's
official status, or possibly a title if honour, and that Vader has no
personal links to Sith (whatever it is/was).

Here's a story I just invented to explain:

   Some thousand years ago, an intergalactic kingdom, one of many, was
at war with its neighbour for one reason or another. The forces were
very matched, and the neighbour had a slight advantage, when the old
lord of the Sith died of old age and was replaced by his son. This new
Sith devised a new strategy, and won the war for this kingdom.
   Thus, Sith was made permanent member of the council, and when the
kingdom became a republic, the title moved from the family to the
council seat, and those who were appointed to that chair were
officially known as Lords of the Sith. 
   The chair lived through the republic and into the empire, when the
emperor gave it to Darth Vader for services rendered.




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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Vampire Slayer)
Subject: Re: The Jedi Storm (story introduction)
Organization: Buffy Franchises Corp.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:56:36 GMT
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In article <BtysqF.82r@wpi.WPI.EDU>, boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert) writes:
> It is called Star Wars:  The Jedi Storm and it is in the public domain, so
> there is no copyright issue.  

	There is, however, the issue of trademark.  This story violates
Lucasfilm's trademark on the name Star Wars, and probably on "Jedi" and the
major characters' names.  It is therefore illegal.
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From: gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:29:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <92239.131226343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> 343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (William Grant) writes:
>First off,  escape pods on the Falcon were big enough to hold 6 people at a
>time.  Han just removed some of them and set up the ship's log to look like

OK so he just removed some of them.  Back to my original question?
How come they aren't dragged in with the MF as well.  I doubt wimpy
little escape pods can get out of the tractor beam and I doubt that
this isn't detected by the Imperials.

Bottom line:
  I always thought the writers blew it.  And based on all of the discussion
I still say the writers blew it with their "escape pods" line.
Everything else would have been fine.  They could have abandoned ship
by meeting another rebel ship and docking and transferring.  No
problem.  Or any other such story you want that doesn't involve 
launching an escape pod. Then the Imperials would say, "Maybe they
docked with another ship and left this one here to throw us off?"
Any story would be fine with me.  But a whole can of worms is opened by
this escape pod line.   

In summary: If the "escape pod" reference is edited out of the movie
I can die happy and the scene runs great.  Our heroes are slick.
Otherwise, Han would never let go of his escape pods and they'd surely
be captured by the tractor beam (and if they're superduper pods and
aren't captured they're still detected) and the Imperials know
immediately that our heroes are hiding onboard. Our heroes aren't
slick.

The writers blew that line.  It would have been smarter in any case 
to leave the pods, then the Imperials would be guessing where on
earth ( or the galaxy) everyone is.  If they believed the crew did abandon
ship after Tattooine the Imperials would say "Well our ships that
were chasing the MF ought to have spotted and captured the pods
there."  Otherwise the Imperials (and I) would think that no one
would get rid of his escpape pods if he was safe in hyperspace. 

So who's with me?  The writers blew it.  Let's admit it.  

I can still be convinced otherwise though.  There's got to be 
someone out there who can do it.


Jay

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From: ss@sparkplug.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: Millenium Falcon model help wanted
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:18:20 GMT

>>>>> On 1 Sep 92 16:20:48 GMT, EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto) said:

EAO102> I'm just finishing up my MF model and I noticed something
EAO102> weird for the cargo bay in the back.  There is a panel that
EAO102> I'm suppoed to glue into place, but then there' also a part
EAO102> that seems to fit over it and has slots for placing parts
EAO102> which did not come with the model and are not mentioned in the
EAO102> directions (in fact this piece isn't even mentioned in the
EAO102> dircetions).  If anyone has any clue as to what I should do
EAO102> with it, let me know soon, since I'm about to finish it and
EAO102> need to know before I close the whole thing up...

When the kit was originally released it came with a set of lights to
light up the cockpit, the rear engine area, and the entrance ramp. The
part in the bottom you referred to as the cargo bay was were you fit
in the 2 C batteries to power the lights.

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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Was Wedge a Spy?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 17:06:05 GMT

In article <92246.165121JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> <JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> Jean Prior writes:
>
>         I think the "Captain Antilles" character might have been mentioned in
>SW, come to think of it.  However, I don't think Wedge's last name was ever
>mentioned until RotJ.  

Yep, Captain Antilles was mentioned by 3PO, who says that he was their last
owner.  I also think you're right about Wedge's name not being mentioned.

>Maybe Lucas liked the name and conveniently forgot of
>the previous character. =)

Yeah, or maybe Antilles is just a common name.  Or maybe even not so common,
and they just happen to have the same name.

For crying out loud, does everybody have to be related in this series?



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From: darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy)
Subject: Re: Does anyone know the name....
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: Will the ugly green things please step up to the mike...
Keywords: likes blonds, likes red-heads, likes brunettes, etc...
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:58:31 GMT


In article <1992Aug26.191324.690@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>In article <15154@umd5.umd.edu>, walrus@bessel.umd.edu (Grig Larson) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug26.184731.9128@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> bmcm@beech.lle.rochester.edu (Brian McMaster) writes:
>> 
>>>Also, what was the name of the Creature that Luke killed by closing
>>>the gate on when it was about to eat him (TESB I think).  This was in
>>>Jaba's place.
>> 
>> The Ranchor.
>
>	Rancor it think.
>
>>  
>>  
>> Now what were the names of those pig-like guards in Jabba's place?  My term
>> buddy thinks Fred and Ethel, but I think he's been sniffing burnt circuitboards
>> too long.
>
>	Well, in fantasy circles we'd call them orcs, but I think they were
>called, oh hell, I can't remember...
>
>Brandon Cope
>

Those ugly beasties were called Gamorrean Guards.


	--Jerry



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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: Empire trailer
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:29:05 GMT

>>>>> On 28 Aug 92 21:57:00 GMT, v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons) said:

v113np2v> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

v113np2v> In the "Star Wars Radio Show" issue of _Fantastic Films_ (Don't 
v113np2v> have the issue #), one of the guys at ILM mentions that in the
v113np2v> Empire trailer, one of the TIE fighters hits an asteroid, and 
v113np2v> they rotoscoped in the pilot being thrown out of the cockpit,
v113np2v> breaking into pieces, and bursting into flames. I have the
v113np2v> trailer on tape, but unfortunately not that great a copy, so I 
v113np2v> can't clearly discern any pilot. I have the laserdisc, too; and
v113np2v> when I checked the shot that was in the trailer I didn't see 
v113np2v> any pilot. Anyone (Josh?) know anything about this?

Do you have the LBX disc? I have seen this clearly on my copy.









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