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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Shopping
From: cvadrgcr@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:01:05 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: rmoran

In article <1993Jan12.000817.20989@fuug.fi>, an5031@anon.penet.fi (Hope) writes:

> Especially for me is closed (it was over the Mustang Adult Book store)
> because there was a lot of rain dammage last year (1991).  The owner

   Thats funny considering I visited a store called 'Especially for me' last
saturday. (Though somewhat ironic, considering they were drying their floor
out because of flooding...)

  BTW, considering all the discussion about bra fillers, here's their price
list for breast forms,
    Foam, $8.00
    Premolded synthetic, $139.95
    Petal soft 100% silicone, $239.95
    silicone 'enhancer' for those who already have some breast tissue, $139.95

Diane







Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an299@anon.penet.fi (Judy)
Subject: bras and what to put in them
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:47:38 GMT


>I would like to know how everyone out there determines bra size.
>I have settle on a 38B but this was through trial and error.  Also,
>a 38B from Sears fits differently then a 38B from Penneys.  At first

Trial and error.  Even women have to try them on.

>And how about substitutes for breasts?  Like many of you I started
>with socks.  I then moved to water balloons and from there to
>polyester stuffing you can find in most sewing departments.  I
>have since gone back to the water balloons because they look and
>feel more realistic.  Any insights from you girls out there?


A 38 B is a good size for a padded bra.  That way, you don't need
anything!  No kidding.  Bali bras are nice and pretty.

Judy (|)

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From: an330@anon.penet.fi (Dawn)
Subject: Re: Where to shop?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:31:26 GMT

A good source of info is "The Crossdresser's International Shopping
Guide", publiished by Danielle Alexis / John Moran Photo-Grafix.  The
address is:

P.O. Box 7217, Burbank, CA 91510-7217.

.Dawn
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From: ae907@yfn.ysu.edu (Roberta Steel)
Subject: Re: Teaching a Psych of Gender class- looking for YOUR help!
Reply-To: ae907@yfn.ysu.edu (Roberta Steel)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:33:04 GMT


In a previous article, v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne) says:

>I am a graduate student at SUNY BUFFALO, NY, USA, and am teaching
>a psychology of gender class this spring.  I am looking for innovative
>ways of tackling the subject, and stumbling upon this newsgroup seemed
>like a godsend.  I am asking for your help and for you to contribute to
>my class. 
>
>
>Jason Osborne
>State University of New York at Buffalo
>v065hjku@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
>

You have a CD/TV/TS support group in your area:
   Crossroads of Buffalo
   Vern
   2316 Delaware Ave.
   Suite 102
   Buffalo, NY  14216

Get in touch with them and let them know what you're doing.  See if they 
can help.  Many groups have a speakers bureau.  If Crossroads does, you're
just the sort of person they're looking for.

-- 
Roberta

To err is human,
to really screw up, you need a computer.
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an2881@anon.penet.fi (Shannon)
Subject: Bra Fillers!
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:58:52 GMT

X-Anon-To: alt.transgendered

Hi Everyone - A while ago I asked everyone what their breasts were if they 
	didn't buy the expensive prosthesis forms. As we've read, there have
	been some interesting techniques for what each of us considers to be
	a perfect feel and look for a breast. I think the bird seed breasts
	were the most creative, followed by the modified nerf footballs! I used
	padded front halfs of socks sewn into a prothesis shape. Notice I said
	used. These looked great, and felt Ok. As we all know, less is more
	right? Anyway, enough girls mentioned water balloon, so I had to try
	them out. I felt silly at first because all I could find were Mickey
	Mouse balloons! I filled them with warm water to as suitable size a 
	gave them a shot. I was really surprised that I found that for the
	first time, they moved and felt like breasts! Except for a nipple that
	could easily be added of course, but was I surprised! I went to a party
	store and got some "robust" ones (pun?) for more "safe" use. They don't
	leak, and when they catch up to your body temperature, they feel great
	against skin too. Thanks for the tip! Do prothesis' behave the same
	way?

	By the way, Joni, who was the impetus for my first ever leg shave, 
	really started something! I keep feeling these differing sensations 
	every time I wear a different fabric against my legs (shaved or
	stocking'd). I would never have believed it. I've kept my legs closely
	shaved since before Christmas because it feels awesome!

	Now for a question... I'm pretty hairy generally, and it's always been
	a phenominal hangup with me back to when a little brat said "Mommy does
	he have fleas?" at the beach about 10 years ago. It does interfere with
	a really good tan too :) ! H'anyway... has anyone out there ever had,
	or has looked into permanent, or otherwise, _substantial_ body hair
	removal? I have found a lot of good advice through Celeste's postings
	about getting to feel good about myself, and (paraphrasing) damning
	the general populace to be what I want to be the way I want to be it!
	Well, this would do it! As I've said before, this group has been the
	best gift I ever received! Thanks again to all, and love to all for all
	the undying support!

					Big Hugs & Stuff...
						- Shannon

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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Shopping 
From: cvadrgcr@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 9 Jan 93 11:25:00 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadrgcr

In article <1993Jan5.194351.13648@fuug.fi>, an4696@anon.penet.fi writes:

> I've heard that there is such a shop in Southern California.
> I believe that they do mail order as: EHB,or Especially for Me, at
> P.O. Box 1489, Ontario, CA 91762. It appears that their store is at
> 113 N. First Ave, Upland, CA 91786. I'm told that because the are
> addressing the TG community their price for forms are less than
> through Penny's etc. which count on insurance $ to cover a high price.
> 
...
You're kidding aren't you? But no...There's an entry in my phone book for the
Especially for me Boutique (909) 946 6251. (I live right next to upland.)

> Has any reader had any experiences dealing with either of these two
> establishments? Are they reputable? Is their merchandize any good?
> over priced?
Don't know...But I'll go take a look at the store today or tommorow.

Diane
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an2166@anon.penet.fi (Michelle)
Subject: Where to shop: rocker girls
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:32:00 GMT


>I have recieved numerous requests for the address and phone number
>for centurians. I will dig it up and post it here on the net. I am
>really interested in getting more info on the place in Hollywood
>for rocker type girls!!

OK, the rock & roll chick store that beats every other one I've ever
seen, incredible selection of the most slutty clothes you ever saw, is
"Playmates" at the corner of Wilcox Av. and Hollywood Blvd.  It has
short dresses, leather skirts and dresses, racks and racks and racks
of them, all kinds of short shorts and vinyl stuff, microskirts and
miniskirts, short crinoline petticoats, longer ones, etc. etc. ...also
lots of lingerie.  As I posted before, not the greatest stocking
collection (opaque not well enough represented).

If you need more info, let me know.  

By the way, is it possible to *followup* a posting and still send it
through the anonymous server?  Is anyone doing this by including the
"References" line?  I'll try it with this post.

Michelle
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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: uad1149@dircon.co.uk (Ross Cochrane)
Subject: newyear's eve
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:38:16 GMT
Keywords: en-dress


Okay girls,
I can't remember who it was as I've lost the original message, 
but I
believe someone asked for stories of anyone who spent the new 
year's
eve en-dress.  I did, and as a professional musician, I had 
an
absolute ball.  I wrote the following (slightly revised), to 
a frend
the following day, and also posted this version here, unfortunately 
it
didn't get into the system, so here it is again with apologies 
to
anyone who may have already seen it.
 
 
"what can I say, I'm still walking on air after
one of the happiest nights I can ever remember - the only sad 
part
being that it came to an end.  We arrived at about 9.30 which 
gave me
half an hour to set up the equipment.  The first set was done 
as Ross
- not that interesting in my opinion, but others seemed to like 
it.
AT about 10.00 I changed and made up (doing it all myself although 
I
had several offers of help.  Right from
that point I felt - the only word I can use is complete - a 
bit over
the top I know but that's just the way I felt.  I then made 
my
entrance as Christina Rose,
 and I must say there were quite a few gasps of surprize.  I
think part of it was that we had put together a nice outfit
consisting of black shoes, stockings, red skirt, black top, 
long black
gloves, blon hair
and long dangly black ear rings, but mainly because we had kept
the whole thing quiet so no one knew it would be happening. 
 The rest
is almost like a dream - one of those times when everything 
goes
absolutely right:  I now wonder why I had such nerves.  The 
loveliest
part of it all was being told by quite a few people afterwards 
that I
had been vivacious.  I must admit normally I am not given to 
smiling
much but that night I just felt so happy that I had no choice. 
 Not
only that, all the electronics behaved themselves and the whole
programme went without a hitch.  At the end of the gig, I didn't
change back and came home in the taxi dressed, and wow did I 
feel on
top of the world.  I haven't come down yet.  It wasn't just 
the fact
that I was dressed, I think it was that it gave me a glimpse 
of how
things could be, even if only briefly, and I loved what I felt.
 I know it must sound a
little over the top, but really it was wonderful.  I really 
do
attribute some of it to the various people I have met through 
e-mail,
giving me the encouragement and the knowledge that I am not 
the only
one nor a particularly abnormal person."
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: uad1149@dircon.co.uk (Ross Cochrane)
Subject: Re: Ross & My other post...
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:08:59 GMT


Shannon, I'm so pleased to hear that you enjoyed my posting.
Yes, it really was as lovely as I said - I still can't
believe it happened.  It is not the first time I have
giged that way, but definitely the best.  What I'm
trying to do now is to work up an individual act that
will allow me to do it all the time in gigs, but it's
proving somewhat hard work to say the least.  By the
way, to all who read that posting, I'm so sorry that
the format was somewhat screwed up.  The reason is that
I am a blind person - now there's a thing, a blind tv -
but anyway, I am obliged to use a speech synthesizer
which naturally doesn't always tell me if margins,
etc., are correct.  Once again apologies for the
aesthetic mess.  Anyway, I should be interested to know
if there are other musicians here who do gigs en-dress.
 
On the subject of leg shaving - by the way, I'm also
told I have nice legs and that women would kill for
legs like mine - I wish someone just invented a cream
that you could use and the hair would go away for a few
months, but I suppose it's not a priority amongst the
makeup manufacturers.
 
Love to all.
 
 
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an3501@anon.penet.fi (Joni Z )
Subject: The Mother of Invention, Bra Stuffing.
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:10:55 GMT

Hi, Girls!

  I re-read my posting on Psych of Gender. . .  It does need work but I hope 
it helps others understand themselves.  (Next time I'll run it through the 
grammer/spell checker  ;-) 

Like Celeste says:

>Be the Best that you are!

>I you like "glitze" stuff, do it well and with style.
>I you like "passing" (which I like), do it well and with style.

>Learn to love youself!
>Only by learning to love youself can you love others.
>(That goes for emotional as well as physical love)

>The greatest gift you can give is yourself!

>Give it with delight and pleasure!

>1) share youself with others.

>2) have FUN!

I agree whole heartedly.  There would be a lot less 'mental illness'
if we didn't take on other peoples psudovalues and stigmas.

Otherwise:  Bra Talk. . . 

  I got inventive when I found out how much some of the fake breasts were.  
I took a Nerf (foam) Football and sliced the ends off (A good bread knife
works well) I have a pair of C sized end pieces.  I took an Exacto hobby
knife and made a hole in the end large enough to glue in a little hearing
protector pad.  (Little faom pads that ya squish down and then stick in your 
ear canal [They already look like nipples so I figured 'Why not?"])

I then used  GE almond colored Silicon seal to smoot the the surface texture 
and lines of the Nerf football ends.   It all came out looking real enough
and altho the foam pads don't have the exact feel and weight, they work well
for a little time and $15 invested in materials.    Next step is to make a
mold and build a latex type of breast.   This is so much fun!  ;-)

			Joni Z
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From: celeste%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Celeste)
Subject: Re: Teaching a Psych of Gender class- looking for YOUR help!
Followup-To: alt.transgendered
Organization: AEGIS
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:43:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.182249.10133@news.ysu.edu>, ae907@yfn.ysu.edu (Roberta
Steel) wrote:
> 
> 
> In a previous article, celeste%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Celeste) says:
> 
> >Most of these books can be order
> >from IFGE
> >phone: (617) 899-2212
> >fax:   (617) 899-5703 (for MC/Vias orders)
> >Address
> >IFGE
> > P.O. Box 736
> >Wayland, MA 01778
> >
> 
> That's P.O. Box 367, not 736.
> -- 
> Roberta
> 
> To err is human,
> to really screw up, you need a computer.

Thanks girl....

I am somewhat dyslexia.

Oh, best first person narrative on dyslexia is in
"The Motion of Light In Water" by Sammuel R. Delany
Pages 213 to 217.
The rest of the book is about his (sex) life.
Warning! Delany is a left handed, black, middle class, genious,
homosexual married to a white woman poet that makes a living
writting scienc fiction! So his life if a little weird!

(What am I saying! My life is a little weird!)

Love and hugs,

Celeste
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Lorraine)
Subject: Re: Well, I'm back
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 04:19:49 GMT

In article <642007@sundown.mil.wi.us>, wendy@sundown.mil.wi.us (Wendy) writes:
>Lorraine Lee (w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu) wrote:
>: In article <929006@sundown.mil.wi.us>, wendy@sundown.mil.wi.us (Wendy) writes:
>: 
>: >I see my sister Celeste has been dubed the local guru. She's quite
>: >knowledgeable on the subject and is a really wonderful person. I'm
>: >sure she appreciates the gesture.
>: 
>: Yah I'm curious where she heard/read about the Roman emperor with some 2
>: millenia of technological foresight.  And about a zillion other interesting
>: facts and factoids she posts.
>: 
>
>She's read alot. I have a stack of books about a foot thick of things she's
>recommended I read. With what my therapist has me reading, I'll never get
>done!!!....:-)

Your therapist is giving you reading lists??????
With me it's always been the other way around...
From: v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Teaching a Psych of Gender class- looking for YOUR help!
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am a graduate student at SUNY BUFFALO, NY, USA, and am teaching
a psychology of gender class this spring.  I am looking for innovative
ways of tackling the subject, and stumbling upon this newsgroup seemed
like a godsend.  I am asking for your help and for you to contribute to
my class. 

This is what I am looking for.  I want to do a unit which emphasizes the
difference between genetic sex (physical male or female-ness) and
psychological gender, to show that anatomy does not equal gender.  It
seems to me that people from this group may be able to help me out,
perhaps by posting or somehow anonymously email-ing me personal accounts
of yourselves.  I do not know excatly what I am looking for, except that
I would like to have some stories to give to the class which illustrates
what it is like to feel psychologically to be 'transgendered'.  Hmmm.  I
am not explaining myself at all, am I?  I know that not all people who
cross-dress feel like they should have been born the opposite sex.  Many
people do it for sexual pleasure.  What I am looking for is stories by
people who feel more natural posing as the opposite sex than as their
'anatomical' or 'genetic' sex.  I would like to know how it feels to
or what it is like to feel you belong to a different sex.  Do you feel
alienated?  Do you feel like you fit in better with the opposite sex
better than your own?  Do you feel equally comfortable with either?  
Well, this is not getting any clearer, so I will appreciate anything
anybody sends me, and will of course keep it entirely confidential.

I thank you on behalf of the class, whose minds will benefit from being
able to see things from a different perspective than their own.

Jason Osborne
State University of New York at Buffalo
v065hjku@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Lorraine Lee)
Subject: Re: Ross & My other post...
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:49:55 GMT

In article <C0Joz0.EuC@dircon.co.uk>, uad1149@dircon.co.uk (Ross Cochrane) writes:

...

>but anyway, I am obliged to use a speech synthesizer
>which naturally doesn't always tell me if margins,
>etc., are correct.  Once again apologies for the
>aesthetic mess.

No sweat.  I read news for content, not aesthetics.
Do you have the the option of having your speech synthesizer speak in your
choice of male or female voice?  If so, and you tell me you're reading my
articles in female mode, well, that would just make my day.

My computer came with a rudimentary speech symthesizer that you can set to your
choice of male or female, but they both sound sort of inhuman to me.  I told
the salescritter who sold it to me that since they call the computer "Amiga"
(which means "female friend") the speech synthesizer should default to female,
not male.

I'm dying to know... how does your machine pronounce the following character
strings:

:)
:-)
;-)
8-O


Hugs,
Lorraine
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: ae907@yfn.ysu.edu (Roberta Steel)
Subject: Re: long stockings 
Reply-To: ae907@yfn.ysu.edu (Roberta Steel)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:26:34 GMT


In a previous article, an4258@anon.penet.fi () says:

>Valerie here.
>
>>My girlfriend is tall (6'0") and cannot find any stockings
>>that are long enough.  
>

I am 6'-5" tall and J.C. Penny's 5X panty hose are plenty long for me.
You might experiment with 3X or 4X with someone as short as your girl 
friend.

BTW, I kind of have the suspicion that there is a cross dresser hidden,
or perhaps not hidden, in Penny's purchasing dept.  They have a lot of
stuff of interest to CDs and probably of minimal interest to GGs.  They 
sell at a fraction of the price that fetish TV suppliers sell for.  Their
stores are local and you can take things back if they don't fit.  Their 
Ultra-Tall sizes fit me.  This is not a commercial, but get their catalog
and give them a try.



-- 
Roberta

To err is human,
to really screw up, you need a computer.
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an2186@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Follow ups via penet & balloon fillings
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:06:06 GMT


Can some kind soul out there please mail the group or me about how to
post followups via the anon server, I seem to have lot the orignal article.

With regard to the anon posting topic for me I have had to think a lot about
posting usch is the fear of being found out, but more on that at a later
date when I post my bio. Hell I'm avamzed I'm even posting this !! ;-)

On the subject of filled balloons, has anyon tried anything other than water
something with a thicker consistency. I was thinking about silicone sealant
the gunk you use is the bathroom to fix water leaks. If you fill a balloon 
with the gunk and expel all the air it wont set and should have a thick
but I guess flesh-like consisentcy. I havent tried it but I will if I can get
hold of some, or would some other brave soul like to test the idea and post
the results.

Jane



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