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From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: China(was More than 50% support TI)
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:05:00 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

>Certainly China has done very well in economy in the past 10 years. The 
>economic growth of 1992 is about 10% (certainly it is #1 in the world) which 
>is very encouraging. Sometimes I think giving Chinese opportunity they really
>can create prosperity. Taiwan, HK, Singapore, now China. Isnt it a positive
>factor for unification? :-)
>

If so, Canada should have united with U.S. long time ago, since both
countries speak the same language and share similar culture, but why Canada
want to be Canada, not U.S. ? Wouldn't that be better for Canadian to be
American, since U.S. is so strong in the world ? Think about it man.
No matter how prosperous China might be in the future, Taiwan may still
want to be independent from China, simply because Taiwanese want to be
their own boss, not to be ruled by other people. 

The trend in the future is that small business will prevail and big 
enterprise may break into many small sectors to compete with those small 
companies. Same thing will happen to the countries. Small, diversity,
dynamic, flexibility, adjustability, efficiency, etc. will spell the future
world. None of the big ones can achieve any of that. 

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: zhao@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kang Zhao)
Subject: Re: Why mainlanders are so mixed up?
Reply-To: zhao@schaefer.UUCP (Kang Zhao)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 20:54:52 GMT

In article <ll62v8INN5gq@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.103401.4262@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:
>>In article <1itilpINN8oj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>> 
>>> stronger and stronger. And if Mr. Lin is still hanging on with KMT, then
>>> KMT's days are countable. Sign.....
>>>>>                  -----------
>>I agree with you.  If he is not capable of 
>>rational discussions, he'd better stay out of the way.  
>>
>To Pan's unfounded accusation, I have to ignore it as what Pan's ignored TAM.
>Finally I have found the reason why the CCP keeps killing but stays. With people
>having minds as above, the CCP will keep suppressing and killing to eliminate
>the different voices.
>

It is surprising to see that you attack people by misinterpretation. The 
original sentence was talking about irrational discussions, not about 
differences. It is too easy foy you to attack people by labeling others by
CCP or CCG. I hope that you will allow others to have their opinions as 
much as you want to youself. I am sorry to say that I cannot see that your
post is rational labeling others by CCP supporters because they have different
jugements on KMT.

-KZ
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: ding@eng.auburn.edu (Z. Ding)
Subject: Re: Why mainlanders are so mixed up?
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:19:08 GMT

Answer: because you've been reading stuff from

  	``cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)''.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee)
Subject: Re: Chong1 Guang3 broadcast (Was Re: Excellence, Made in Taiwan)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:38:29 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1993Jan5.045224.28479@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>
>(Once I saw people got flamed on a newsgroup for posting commercial
>advertisement. Geez, hope I won't get flamed.)
>

Why do you think you can be exempt from flames?

>-- Chien-Chung Chen


-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ty Lee                                                                    */
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: Is TI so rossy?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:08:08 GMT


In article <C0B4y7.CHt@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes...
>In article <V-c=hsA@engin.umich.edu> echang@engin.umich.edu writes:
>>
>>In article <C0AJ4q.3qr@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>
>>Reading your articles is like reading stories written by someone from the Mars. Furthermore, it seems to me that Martians are going to conquer the Earth!
>>
>Just want to wake somebody up, want conquer nobody, too much mess.

We also want to wake you up, that is, understand who is really causing the 
China/Taiwan problem. CCP.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: changhp@engin.umich.edu (Hsiou-Ping Chang)
Subject: Re: Li-Hau Institution
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 18:18:52 EST
Organization: The University of Michigan
Reply-To: echang@engin.umich.edu
Originator: changhp@fijan.engin.umich.edu



In article <C0rFMp.1p0H@austin.ibm.com>, tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee) writes:
>
In article <Mqg=5f@engin.umich.edu>, changhp@engin.umich.edu (Hsiou-Ping Chang) writes:
>> 
>> In article <C0r3xB.11Fy@austin.ibm.com>, tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee) writes:
>> > In article <1993Jan12.151405.15127@cs.brown.edu> mtl@cs.brown.edu writes:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >	Were there a lot of riot police and military police waiting for them
>> > >
>> > >	outside the Presidential House?  That is what they usually do if there is
>> > 
>> > Becase people of this kind tend to behave well.
>    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>  
>>         According the the Commons News (Ming-chung zi-bao), the demonstrators
>> hailed stones to the female dorm of NTU Law School and broke windows of
>> 6 dorm rooms. According to the female students, they just hanged anti-hau
>	[Lines deleted] 
>> > 
>> > >	"fairly."
>> > >
>> > 
>> > Fair enough? You tell me.
>> 
>> 	Don't be double standard.

> 
> This is unfathomable to me too. Care to explain why I criticize
> the DPP's *democratic* mobbish behaviors is double standard to you?

 The original argument is whether DDP demostration should be treated
equally as KMT demostration is by the police.
	You said "Because people of this kind tend to behave well", and
I just showed you your statement was wrong by giving you an example.  
There were accidents in both parties' demostrations and you described DPP's
as "mobbish" and KMT's as "behave well".  I'll call this double standard. 

> As I said before, becuase people tend to conclude the impression of a
> certain group of people based on the past behavior, that's why I said
> DPPers are mobs, hoodlums, ...., up to the present momemt. Hope I can see
> something from the DPP mobs that can change my mind. 8-))))
> 
	Discrimination largely comes from stereotype images and misunderstanding. 
It's terribly wrong to judge something simply by its party.  If DDP does something
wrong, let's denounce it.  If KMT does something wrong, let's denounce it. 
It is your right/responsibility as a citizen to do the FAIR judgement.

> While I didn't see an extreme example from the other people, I tend
> to conclude that the other people are basically rational. I guess
> what they did is just copied from the DPP mobs, which they used to
> blackmail the ROC government.

	There is no excuse on wrong doing.  Let's assume your statement 
"they copies from the DPP mobs" is true, how can you convince me 
"people of this kind tend to behave well"? 

 Well-bahaved people won't copies wrong doings from others, will they?

Hsiou-Ping

 
> -- 
>  * The opinions are my own, not IBM's. Take care and have a nice day.        *
>  *                                                                           *
>  *               Ty Lee                                                      * 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: email in Taiwan?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 08:51:37 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

>>I would like to know about the situation that people use e-mail in Taiwan.
>>I would be appreciated your answer
>
>Almost all universities in Taiwan are linked to Internet now, so I'd say many
>people, especially college students, are enjoying e-mail at the moment. :)
>
>:E.Liu

	even though this is the case (that almost all univ are linked),
	my understanding is that only Graduate School Students have access 
	to the internet, usenet, and ftp. so most of my friends as 
	undergraduates in taiwan don't get to use the awesome 'e-mail'
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ieecjk@ccunix.ccu.edu.tw (Dr. C.J. Kuo)
Subject: EE faculty position in Taiwan
Organization: National Chung Cheng University, Taiwan, R.O.C.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:40:56 GMT


Department of Electrical Engineering
National Chung Cheng University
Chiayi, Taiwan, R.O.C.


    The Department of Electrical Engineering, National Chung Cheng
University, Chiayi, Taiwan, ROC invites applications for faculty
positions at the Associate Professor and Professor levels.  Appointment
will be in the following areas: 

    1. Electrical machinery
    2. IC design (prefer experiences with communication ICs)
    3. Signal processing
    4. Computer architecture
    5. Intergrated optics
    6. Medical imaging
    7. Artificial intelligence
    8. Communication networks (prefer experiences with ATM)


    Only four vacancies are open and will be filled with four strongest
candidates submitting applications.  The candidate must have a Ph.D.
degree in a relevant discipline from a accredited university and must
have demonstrated academic potentials.  Faculty at NCCU are expected to
teach both undergraduate and graduate courses and conduct research.
NCCU is located in the southern part of Taiwan and have a spacious
(total area: 133 hectares) and scenic campus.  We are young and growing.
Currently we offer B.S. and M.S. degrees.  Starting with Fall Semester
1993, we will also offer Ph.D. programs. 


    Both accomplished scholar and new Ph.D. are welcome to apply.
Please send your resume, a 500 word autobiography including your goals
at NCCU, indications of two subjects, one each for undergraduate and
graduate curricula, that you wish to teach, and three references to 

    Dr. Thomas T. Fang, Head
    Department of Electrical Engineering
    National Chung Cheng University
    Chiayi, Taiwan 62107
    R.O.C.

Applications received by Mar. 1, 1993 will be screened by Mar. 5 for
the first list of finalists.  Applications received after Mar. 1 will
be considered if not enough strong candidates have filed applications by
then.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu (Ye)
Subject: Re: Why mainlanders are so mixed up?
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Distribution: na 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:53:07 GMT

In article <ll3labINNki@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
|> ...

What's the problem with you guys? May be stupidity is contagious, but look at how many on the
net remained cool and healthy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ttlin@m1sun6.ccl.itri.org.tw
 (Te-Tsung Lin)
Subject: test from taiwan
Organization: ITRI
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:37:19 GMT

Hi!

Sorry! This is a test. Please ignore it.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve C. Chen!!!)
Subject: Re: RACIST
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:10:13 GMT

g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka) writes:

>In article 11254@fuug.fi, an3879@anon.penet.fi () writes:
>>I know several Chinese girls.  It seems that all the Chinese girls
>>that I know who grew up or were born here in America are bimbos.
>>They wear tons of makeup, use disgusting perfume, smile too much
>>(I'm talking about fake and insincere smiles), wear clothes that
>>are too tight and skirts that are too high, and just all around
>>too gung ho American.
>>
>>I hate them, every time I see one of them I just want to throw up.
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi.
>>Due to the double-blind system, any replies to this message will be anonymized,
>>and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned.


>It is obvious that this man has a problem. At first I wanted to ignore him 
>'cause I'm sure he just wanted attention. But such a racist remarks should ban 
>him from having access to this or any other news group. If anyone could help 
>in determining where in the Ohio area this man is and contact the proper authority 
>to disallow him from using the network.

>TU

What the heck man...who posted the original article?!  People usually adapt to
whatever environment they are in you know?  In this case, the ABC's are just
like all the American girls...nothing wrong with that...nobody told you to look
at them  :)  Also you also generalized too much...ware clothes too tight, skirts
too high...why don't you come to my school and take a look?  :p

Steve Chen
scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
University of Illiois

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: nlu@csd-d-5.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: China(was More than 50% support TI)
Originator: nlu@csd-d-5.Stanford.EDU
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:30:20 GMT

In article <C0p1yt.7KL@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

>Pre-industrailization, in absence of birth control and effective medical
>science, population balance was kept through crude ways: disease, animal
>eating, wars, famine. More population did indicate the balance was in favor of
>better condition, one of which was better food supply;
>Please do not use a single period--Thrre Kingdoms, to generalize whole ancient
>chinese history, ancient China had most population concentration on Earth from
>280bc to current.
>I hope I do not have to explain again.
>

Please do explain "again."  You haven't explained anything yet.

You just claimed that China had a huge population in ancient times.  Well,
I am still looking for a Tang census result that I remember reading but can't
find yet, but I do have the Three Kingdoms data, which definitely was of a
lower population concentration then the Roman Empire at the time.  (And, BTW,
just in case you don't know this, Three Kingdoms *is* after 280 B. C.  Long
after.)

And you still haven't answered my objection that a large population doesn't
automatically mean that the lands were fertile.
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: China(was More than 50% support TI)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:14:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.011333.17948@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>In article <C0Conp.xHM@austin.ibm.com> tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan4.191415.18969@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>> .....
>>>that the Northern China Plains are more fertile than the Great Plains or the
>>>Ukrainian Plains.
>>> 
>>
>>Do you still want to waste the bandwidth by discussing the irrelevant issues
>>about China and your history knowledge on the net. Please do not digress
>>too far.
>
>I disagree with you that Lu is wasting the bandwidth. Chunde Shi was
>insisting that China's land is the most fertile on earth. If someone
>disagrees, isn't it nice that he can give the names of lands that are
>more fertile than China's? Why is it irrelevant to China issue? Shi was
>arguing that because China has the most fertile land in the world,
>some western imperialists try to annex China or something, and hence
>Taiwan independence has something to do with the fertility of China's
>land. (Not my logic. If you find this ridiculous, don't blame me.)
>
>>Yes, I know you major in history. So, change it to other news group.
>
>This is the right newsgroup. Otherwise, what newsgroup should Lu's article
>belong to?
>
>>Bosnia, Croatia, ..... can't you give up the habit of citing them?
>
>Why not citing them? Shouldn't we learn from history?
>
>-- Chien-Chung Chen

Again, can you abandon confusious way of reason.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: RACIST
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:35:02 GMT

In article 11254@fuug.fi, an3879@anon.penet.fi () writes:
>I know several Chinese girls.  It seems that all the Chinese girls
>that I know who grew up or were born here in America are bimbos.
>They wear tons of makeup, use disgusting perfume, smile too much
>(I'm talking about fake and insincere smiles), wear clothes that
>are too tight and skirts that are too high, and just all around
>too gung ho American.
>
>I hate them, every time I see one of them I just want to throw up.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi.
>Due to the double-blind system, any replies to this message will be anonymized,
>and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned.


It is obvious that this man has a problem. At first I wanted to ignore him 
'cause I'm sure he just wanted attention. But such a racist remarks should ban 
him from having access to this or any other news group. If anyone could help 
in determining where in the Ohio area this man is and contact the proper authority 
to disallow him from using the network.

TU


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: mtl@cs.brown.edu
Subject: Re: Li-Hau Institution
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:28:31 GMT

In article <C0rGoB.MLv@austin.ibm.com>, tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee) writes:
|> 
|> If the president's office *is* not torn apart, then it is not torn apart.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> Simple and easy. Get some clue, will you?
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
....
|> I don't know what you are talking about, which side is which that you
|> are talking about. The ROC president does not live in the *house*, so
|> you can't say it is a house.
...........

|>>	I thought in the "Republic of China" everyone is equal regardless
|>>	of their race, occupation or the political party they participate in.
|> I hope you can keep that in mind. I didn't say that.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Even if you don't remember what it says in the ROC constitution, 
	you should have learned this idea by now. 

I hope you can keep that in mind. I didn't say that.
|> Tell me what is the definition of discrimination.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
......
|> No, it is not pathetic to me at all. It is what in your peanut-sized brain
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> pathetic.
   ^^^^^^^^^^
....

|> Yes, the police are human beings like I and they (not you). Human being
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	I guess the riot police in Taiwan has the same mentality as 
	Mr. Ty Lee has; those who have different opinions from his are
	either mob, peanut-sized brain or non-human. Therefore, they tend
	to treat them with violence or rude and senseless words. 

	Post something that makes sense. This kind of personal attack does 
	not get you anywhere, will you? Mr. IBM?
From: changhp@engin.umich.edu (Hsiou-Ping Chang)
Subject: Re: A thought on Mainlanders' AttitudeIn article <1993Jan11.091813.4245@vax.cns.muskingum.edu>, ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 12:15:08 EST
Organization: The University of Michigan
Reply-To: echang@engin.umich.edu
Originator: changhp@fijan.engin.umich.edu


> 
> 	** First, I am not a mainlander.

Surprise! My apology to the netters and you for citing the wrong articles.
Did you ever vote in recent elections?  If you did, why do you laugh at
these fightings?  If you didn't, I would think you are not well informed
of the current status of Taiwan society; your laughing reflects your ignorance,
your apathy and your lack of confidence of Taiwan's future.  I doubt you care
very much about Taiwan.

> 
> 	** Second, you don't have to do analysis like (a), (b) or (c).
> 	   Let me tell you a simple truth:
> 
> 	   CCP WANT Taiwan. Regardless of reasons.
 
Agree.  The problem is what kind of price CCP is willing to pay.
For example,
if you WANT an IBM XT, pay less than $200;
if you WANT a Macintosh Duo, pay around $2500; 
if you WANT a Cray, I am not sure if you can afford it.

The bottom line is we can make the price higher, if the determination to
defend Taiwan is strong enough.

> 	   I don't know your age. But it seems the younger generation
> 	   in Taiwan already forgot what CCP is (or they never know).

I think they understand better than you in terms of the true meaning of
democracy, and of self-confidence.   The enormous effort to pursuit a
more democratic society by the Taiwan people is to be respected not to be
laugh at.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: jhchen@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (1Jason)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:58:16 GMT

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16776 soc.culture.china:34004
From: cheng@pollux.usc.edu (Chien-Ming Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: See far enough?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 20:19:52 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan5.215834.12358@mcnc.org> hwang@mcnc.org (Lih-Tyng Hwang) writes:
>---see far:
>
>  Please keep your promise.  You posted the following message on Apr 7,
>1992.  I won't be surprised to hear another BS from you.
>
>Lih-Tyng Hwang
>

Guys, please be more reasonable!!!

The ability of Mr. See Far is to predict what is going to happen in
two or three years at least. That is the reason why he is by the
name "See Far". Remember, his name is not "See Near". How can you guys
ask him to see something that is so close to us ?

A reasonable question to ask Mr. See Far would be:

Could you please predict what would happen at the end of 1995 ?
Of course, Mr. See Far can still use "Push Back" figures, or 
other references if he likes.


-Chien-Ming Cheng



Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: mtl@cs.brown.edu
Subject: Re: A thought on Mainlanders' Attitude
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:28:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.022114.1534@engage.pko.dec.com>, li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li) writes:
|> >In article <1993Jan9.124612.4236@vax.cns.muskingum.edu>, ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
|> >> 	   I like to see more and more cross-posting happen.
|> 
|> I think you should read the original posting. To me, the orginal posting is 
|> not friendly at all. The author implied that SCHK and SCC should not 
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> cross-posting to SCT. All the netgroups are open forum and everyone can post.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                      
|> If you dont like some of postings you can either skip or reflute them. No one
|> owns those newsgroups.
|> 


	IMO, cross-posting is the way some people (some people, not all of them) 
	do to show Taiwan and Hong Kong are part of China.

	It is NOT wrong but it is not very polite.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: suewu@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Susan Wu)
Subject: Re: email in Taiwan?
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:04:10 GMT

g'day all!

i am trying to find out whether psychology department in national taiwan
university actually does have access to internet.

pointers will be greatly appreciated.

cheers, susan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan