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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:45:09 EST
From: <HS8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: health insurance

this is to share information i have on obtaining health insurance for visitors
to the usa.  i would appreciate any additional information that others have.

pehaps the best is international health insurance, danmark. address: 7 ciruclar
road, douglas, isle of man, british isles, tel 44 624 677412 telefax 44 624
675 856.they restrict the maximum age for entry into an insurance policy to
79. they have three plans: hospital, health and topup. they appear not to have
a preexisting clause, they offer quotes based on medical history if the insured
is over 60. they are probably the most expensive but the best for those who are
concerned the prexisting clause will  be strictly applied.
another option is a pennsylvania plan, call bill anthony at anthony insurance
agency 814/466 7770 (3606 south atherton street, state college, pa 18601) for
information. their plan is backed by lloyds of london and appears to define
prexisting based on whether or not one is on continual medication.
a third plan is from anil k. bahri, trayvale ltd, 36 eastcastle street, london
w1n 7pe tel 071 580 2928 and 071 636 7983 and fax 071 323 3183.  This may be
the least expensive with the highest maximum coverage, but has a preexisting
clause.
Harish Sujan (hs8 at psuvm)
From: ycp@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (yogesh.c.patel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: FAQ for people returning to India
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:47:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Dec13.164709.3559
Organization: AT&T


I like to see Frequently Asked Questions about returning to
India. Here are some of the topics -- fell free to add 
more topics. I will summarize the responses. 


Immigration issues.
	Dual Citizenship
	Children born in U.S.
	
Transfer of Residence Rules
	
Restrictions on property abroad.
	Are there any restrictions on holding property
	abroad if you are an Indian citizen?
Taxes.

Investment in outside of India
	What are the issues with IRA, 401k accounts?

Jobs/Business in India.
	Resources to find out opportunities, etc.

Transporting things (household) to India.
From: lal@cs.arizona.edu (The Morning Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Ram
Keywords: Ram
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:09:55 GMT

Oxford American Dictionary:

Ram  1. An uncastrated male sheep.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: seeta@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju UdayaBhaskar Sarma)
Subject: .....  Joke from real politics ........
Reply-To: seeta@eng.wayne.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Wayne State University, Detroit Michigan, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:58:54 GMT


From India Today : Dec.15th.

`The Corruption Circus'  pp:35

...when (the punjab state electricity minister) was accused of electricity
theft.  Finding ``no units consumed'' at his house (in amritsar dt.) the
electricity board fixed his meter.  Piqued, the minister got a JUNIOR
engineer transferred out of tarn taran.
	The check (electricity) meter also dissappeared...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

where else but sardar-land, would one find a STATE GOVT minister indulging
himself in such petty stealing ((electricity at Rs.2 per hour.))  and then
fight like a true ``lion'',...

in other states ministers have the intelligence and ingenuity to loot crores.  But our
dear minister is busy stealing Rs.100 per month from the electricity board...
((of all govt organizations, the electricity board??!!??...))

Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: India -PVNR Indignant About Pak's Attempts to Policitize Ayodhya i
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:02:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Dec13.190200.23407
Organization: The Ohio State University



In article <1992Dec11.201308.23451@crd.ge.com> srinivas@vision.crd.ge.com (Chuk
ka Srinivas) writes:

> Forget about Somalia. Even within thier own countries,
> they do not have either respect or value an ordinary
> muslim's life.
> If they are really worried about muslims, they would
> have concentrated thier energies to solve thier
> day to day problems and not on appealing to communal
> fears and prejudices.
>
> For that matter, how much is VHP/RSS is worried
> about ordinary hindus? And how much it really
> cares for human life, be it Hindu or Muslim?
>
> If they are really worried about Hindus,
> they would have mobilized people to address more
> important problems like food, shelter and better
> living conditions and not about temples, mosques,
> and so-called 'Islamic opression for centuries'
> (As if all the hindus in India are going thru
> this mental trauma because of this oppression!).
>
> It is disgusting to see these feudalistic and
> poltically and morally bankrupt forces survive
> on non-issues.
>
>-srinivas.


     I agree with your above views.

S. Sankarapandi
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:41033 soc.culture.pakistan:18284
From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Narrow Hindu Beliefs- was- Ram (Was he Fact or Fiction)??
Date: 16 Dec 1992 10:39:42 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Milind saraph writes:
>Scriptures are not scientific theories in a modern sense.  Virendra
>Varma assigns two meanings to scriptural verses: literal and 
>psychological.  His attempt to use the tool of "psychological meaning"
>to establish the consistency with the current scientific facts/theories
>and then his assertion that Scriptures anticipated these thories and
>were aware of these facts is at best silly.  This is similar to 
>finding conservation laws in Bhagavad Gita 2-16 (What does not exist
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>cannot come into existence, and what exists cannot be destroyed) and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>finding expanding universe and the Big bang theory in the
>-- Milind Saraph

	And guess what? Gita is dead wrong over here as far as Science goes.
	Eg. photons can be created and destroyed. Now before Worma jumps
	and says matter-energy conservation, let me tell him that even that
	is not true. Matter-energy IS NOT CONSERVED. And Science gives a 
	reason why this should be so. Krishna was just ruminating like 
	Aristotle.

	FFT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: srin@cs.cornell.edu (Aravind Srinivasan)
Subject: Thiruppaavai Verses 4 and 5
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Cornell Univ., Ithaca NY
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:03:05 GMT


I am posting this on behalf of 
Dr. K. Srinivasan (srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca).
I apologize for the delay in posting Verse 4.

Regards,
Aravind.

===================================================================

\height=660 \width=460 \leftmargin=10 \C
\(TAMIL20) 4. raagam: yadhu kula kaambOdhi
\beginbox
aazhi mazhai(k) kaNNaa onRu nee kai karavEl
aazhi uL pukku mugandhu kodu aarthu ERi
oozhi mudhalvan uruvam pOl mey kaRuththu(p)
paazhiy am thOLudai(p) paRpanaaban kaiyil
aazhi pOl minni valamburi pOl ninRu adhirndhu
thaazhaadhE saarnga mudhaiththa sara mazhai pOl
vaazha ulaginil peydhidaay naangaLum
maargazhi neeraada magizhndhElOr embaavaay
\endbox


\c \J
Oh Lord (KaNNaa) of rain (mazhai) and oceans (aazhi), please do not
discontinue (kai karavEl), any thing (OnRu). Diving (pukku) into (uL) the
ocean (aazhi); fetching the water (mugandhu kodu), causing thunder (aarthu);
going up to the sky (ERi); darkening (kaRuththu) your body (mey) like (pOl)
the form (uruvam) (uruvam) of the prime Lord (mudhalvan) of the universe
(oozhi); standing (ninRu) and roaring (adhirndhu) like (pOl) the shining
(minni) conch (valamburi) and the chakram (aazhi) of Lord Padhmanabha
(paRpanaaban) with broad (paazhi) and beautiful (am) shoulders (thOl);
please do cause it rain (peydhidaay), like a torrential rain (sara mazhai)
like (pOl) shooting (udhaiththa) with the divine bow (saarngam), without
delay (thaazhaadhE); so that we (naangal) may live (vaazhndhida). Let us
enjoy (magizhndhElor) the maargazhi nonbu (maargazhi neeraada).
\j
 
\height=660 \width=460 \leftmargin=10 \C
\(TAMIL20) 5. raagam: dhanyaasi
\beginbox
maayanai mannu vada madhurai maindhanai(th)
thooya peru neer yamunai(th) thuRaivanai
aayar kulaththinil thOnRum aNi viLakkai(th)
thaayai(k) kudal viLakkam seydha dhaamOdharanai(th)
thooyOmaay vandhu naam thoomalar thoovi(th) thozhudhu
vaayinaal paadi manaththinaal sindhikka(p)
pOya pizhaiyum pugudharuvaan ninRanavum
theeyinil thoosaagum cheppElOr embaavaay.
\endbox

\c \J
Let us (naam) come (vandhu) with a clean (thooya) body and mind, spraying
(thoovi) clean flowers (thoo malar), and worship (thozhudhu) the Lord Damodara
(dhaamOdharan); who is a magician (maayan); who is the son (maindhan) of the
northern (vada) madhurai; who is the hermit (thuRaivan) on the pure (thooya)
and great (peru) river (neer) Yamuna (yamunai); who appeared (thOnRum) in the
cowherd (aayar) community (kulam) as a sacred (aNi) light (viLakku); who
brought maternal honour (kudal vilakkam sey) to his mother (thaay). Let us
sing (paadi) orally (vaayinaal) and think (sindhikka) mentally (manaththinaal)
about the Lord. Our past (pOya) sins (pizhai) and the the future unintentional
sins (pugutharuvaan ninRanavum), will become (aagum) like sawdust (thoosu) on
a flame (thee). Let us say (cheppu) his names.
\j
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Somalia and Ayodhya (was Re: India -PVNR Indignant )
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:37:06 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

(Mujtaba Ghouse) writes:
>prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>>Interesting it is to note that the combined Islamic heart bleeds profusely
>>over the destruction of an inanimate mosque, but not for the millions of 
>>their starving  Islamic brethren in Somalia.
>
>On the contrary, there have been relief efforts set up,
>entire issues of magazines devoted to the famine, etc. etc.
>
I ought to apologize for the relative ignorance of Islamic efforts.

But what I see is that it took US to really spearhead the effort.
I wonder why the very rich Organization for Islamic Nations (OIC)
did not do what US is doing now. 

In any case, we shall wait and see to what extent OIC is willing
to bankroll the US operation in Somalia. Not much is forthcoming
until now, is it?

Satya Prabhakar 
--
______________________________________________________________
I hate sig files, particularly ones that refer to themselves!
From: rajendra@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Rajendra K Talluri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Visitors Visa
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:34:23 GMT
Reply-To: rajendra@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Rajendra K Talluri)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: rajendra@happy.cc.utexas.edu


I am positing this for a friend. 

My friend  has his parents visiting him here in the US from india on 
six month visitors visa.
They already have gotten one extension on their visa to for an additional
six months.  They are interested in staying longer. Is there a possible way
of getting a second extension ? Is crossing the border and getting a new
I-94 a viable option ? If anybody has more information about this I'd
really appreciate a reply by e-mail.

Raj Talluri
raj@hera.ee.utexas.edu
From: gupta@orion.oac.uci.edu (mohan gupta)
Subject: NEW YEAR GIFT WAITING FOR DELHI UNIVERSITY STUDENTS ONLY 
Summary: DUSAA: DELHI UNIVERSITY STUDENTS ALUMNI ASSOCIATION
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:20:17 GMT
Distribution: usa


Hi Friends:
 
NOTE: THIS MAIL IS ONLY MEANT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT RESPONDED TO MY
      PREVIOUS POSTING ON THE NET.

I am trying to compile a list of DU students and so far the present list
contains over 130 responses and the very first version of this list has
been forwarded to all the individuals. To update this list, it will be nice if
you give the information about yourself in the following order (please do not
change that order otherwise it takes a lot of time to correct it):
			
			NAME
			COLLEGE AT D.U.
			MAJOR AT D.U.
			YEAR OF GRADUATION AT D.U.
                        HIGHEST DEGREE EARNED FROM D.U.
			ARRIVAL YEAR IN U.S.
			PRESENT OCCUPATION
                        PRESENT UNIVERSITY
                        PRESENT MAJOR/FIELD
         		PRESENT ADDRESS
			PHONE NUMBER
			E-MAIL ADDRESS


You can also add other additional informations. Please send your e-mail to

       gupta@orion.oac.uci.edu

As soon as I start getting the new responses, I will update the list and
a copy of it will be sent to you on the eve of NEW YEAR as a special gift. 
I hope this will help in maintaining the contacts with the old and new friends.


Thanks in advance for taking your time.



mohan gupta






Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: Narrow Hindu Beliefs- was- Ram (Was he Fact or Fiction)??
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 14 DEC 92 21:06:05    


In article <1992Dec14.163926.12786@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes...
>In article <1gh5epINNd40@aludra.usc.edu> fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>>Worma writes:
>>>	hell a dying river of 1800 BC could be so talked about in 400 BC
>>
>>	perhaps because 400 BC comes AFTER 1800 BC? 
> 
>I love it! Good one, Vijay.
> 
>Rakesh PAtel

	I thought idiots knew that much. Let me give a hint if you
	can make out:

	Given the facts (according to western historians) that the
	writers of Mahabharat, i.e., Aryans

	    - were uncivilized barbarians.
	    - did not have any records of their past.
	    - came into India around 1200 BC.
	    - no archeological experience.

	How could these writers or writer could write so much about a
	lost river 1400 years ago? If you want to write a novel now, will
	you allude to the glory of 500 AD inspite of the fact you have no
	clue of your past history? Why the hell they have allude to such
	river if they had no relationship with it.

	Oh!! but again there were smart Dravidians who kept all the records
	and out-smart the Aryans.

	Another point, Chandyogya upanishad (900 BC according to your
	historians) talks about Krishna and Dhritrastra.

	What a great anthropology which depends on these mythical books
	for its veracity!!!!

-- Virendra
From: t1gopal@shekel.wr.tek.com (Gopal Kulkarni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: .....  Riots in India - 1947, 1984, 1992.....
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:20:49 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.


In article <1992Dec15.184254.28595@cs.wayne.edu>, uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec14.102318.7107@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
|> >   Yadi Bharat may rahana hoga, 
|> >   Vande Mataram Kahana Hoga
|> 
|> 
|> Its this attitude that I detest.  Identically, U see the hindi-as-national
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> -link supporters who say :-
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Mr Uday ( can I address you that way ) I really don't understand why two totally different matters you are trying to mix. "Vande mataram kahana hoga" is a natural assertion of any patriotic Indian. After all it means 'I Salute my Mother'. If there
is somebody who says that he doesn't respect his mother, he natuarally cannot be a worthy son. It is greatest of the maladies that such an assertion had to me made.
This slogan came even during freedom movement, when the muslim league objected to saying Vande Mataram. Even long after Independence ( in 1973 ) Muslim league again came out with similar utterances. I have just read your opinions about the H'badi muslims. If you think that other muslims aren't similar, perhaps it is because you haven't talked to other muslims so close. I was working in a polytechnic ( muslim mgmt) in karnataka, the ideas of the the well educated ( of course, a few were HOD's without cleari

ng their B.E fully ) lecturers were very much identical, not to speak of the jingoistic students. 

Certain things, like respecting the land on which you live, may have to be made mandatory. There is nothing wrong about it. 

I do not want to open the Hindi chapter. By the way, ( for your info ) I am a south Indian and I do not oppose Hindi. I rather hate the imposition of English, which, I know most of the 'educated' in India do not accept that it is as an imposition !


Gopal Kulkarni
|> 
|> If U are a bharat-vaasi
|> hindi bolanaa seekha paDaegaa		(U must learn to speak hindi)
|> 
|> Nothing wrong with having a common language.  But its the way this
|> idea is being propagated, that U find resistence from south india...
|> When Hum log was first aired, my parents baught the huge `bhaargavaa's
|> dictionary.  But once the hinidi-propaganda was obvious on doordarshan
|> the bhaargavaa's has been gathering dust in my house EVER SINCE.
|> 
|> Some things have to be done with a smile :  Maybe the VHPites and
|> the hindi-ites can make a stint at a kmart or walmart desk for a year...
|> 
|> 
|> Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
|> (email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
From: brao@pollux.usc.edu (Bapa Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Muslims and Vande Mataram
Date: 16 Dec 1992 11:52:41 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu



Muslim leaders' opposition to Vande Mataram is related to
the association of that song with the novel Ananda Math 
by Bankim Chandra Chaterjee in which the author proposes
an alliance of Hindus and the British to defeat the Muslims.
This information of mine comes from Nirad Chaudhary's
Autobiography of an Unknown Indian.  

Thus, while the song itself seems pretty innocent (to me
at any rate) Muslims may see anti-Muslim connotations.

 
Perhaps some knowledgeable Bengali or Muslim can comment
on this. 

Bapa Rao

a
From: chunduri@eemips.tamu.edu (Srikar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: India : Muslims
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:01:11 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: eemips.tamu.edu



Hi,
  Well I have seen quite a few may be not all
  postings on the net about Muslims & Hyd
  muslims and their patriotism. However what I DONOT SEE IS THAT NOT
  MANY MUSLIMS ARE PROTESTING AGAINST THE ACCUSATIONS.

  Srikar
  (Jai-Hind)
-- 

 I Slept
 and dreamt that life was all joy
 I woke
From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Wormallic
Date: 12 Dec 1992 21:45:22 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Ed Crick writes:
>Virendra is such a fanatic,
>His responses are oft automatic.
>When out in the street,
>Intolerance to preach,
>I hope he's not run down by traffic.
>
>Ed

	Verma is a total Londonsingoo
	Member of the HSS~, RSS wingoo,
	He speaks of Gandhian thought,
	Garbing fundamentalist rot,
	Won't I like to see his neck wringoo! :)

	FFT

	PS: HSS is the North American version of RSS.
	    BTW, Crick, Balaji Kannan pointed out that Virendra can
	    be anagramed into Virendra = Rev. Indra = Rain Deva.
	    Given his Vedic bigotry, this is pretty apt, no? :)






Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Re: BJP Governments Thrown Out. Its Good! Its Good!
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:51:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.161203.4471@news.uakron.edu> misra@charles.polymer.uakron.edu (Sanjay Misra) writes:
>	
>	Now the Central Government has banned RSS, VHP etc. Mr. Shekhawat,
>	the CM of Rajasthan, refuses to resign his membership in RSS. What

From all accounts of RSS that I heard of, there is no such thing as 
membership of RSS. People volunteer into their services to RSS. So
banning RSS is not going to do a darn thing, except fooling a bunch
of pseudo-intellectuals. Get that to your mind. Don't try to live
a pipe dream. As for as I know VHP also lives on the criteria of 
symbpathizers, and donations from them. I seriously doubt if they
also have such a thing as char anna membership. Only ABVP has such
notion of membership. So quit all this crap about banning RSS/VHP 
doing good and all that. This is what I call needing a Reality Check!

...kt
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Monday, 14 Dec 1992 15:19:34 EST
From: <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Mandir/Maszid/Girza/Gurudwara
 <Bz5J9o.7L1@ucunix.san.uc.edu>

This reminds me of an amusing story.  One of my students, an orthodox Jew,
asked my help in the following problem.  He liked Indian music, but as
a Jew he was not allowed to listen to religious music of another religion.
What should he do?  I advised him to stick to instrumental music, the
rest was quite risky.   (Occasionally, but not often, risque.  :-)  )

Rohit Parikh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sb@flux.isr.alaska.edu (Santanu Bhattacharyya)
Subject: Re: Housing in Urbana-Champaign
Organization: Geophysical Institute, Fairbanks, AK
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:36:37 GMT

In article <BzHH12.GMt@ibeam.intel.com> siva@shakti.intel.com (Siva) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.233918.28227@raven.alaska.edu>,
>sb@flux.isr.alaska.edu (Santanu Bhattacharyya) writes:
>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
>> From: sb@flux.isr.alaska.edu (Santanu Bhattacharyya)
>> Subject: Housing in Urbana-Champaign
>> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> 	I am looking for housing in the Urbana-Champaign area starting
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>   Thanks. We really need to know that in Portland, OR. :-)
>
>   Seriously, why don't you guys restrict you posting to the particular
>   area. It is easy enough to restrict it to a state (eg. Illinois).
>
>   ... siva
>
>  

Sorry, but unfortunately  am I not a CS major. Whats easy for you is 
quite a messy job for me. May be you would like to give me a few pointers, 
huh?! Please try to do be a little more patient with
us poor dumbkopfs, OK?!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)
Subject: Re: Let's Use Some Hindsight
Summary: You mean some Hind sight.... 
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 23:48:48 GMT

Dear Mr. Baskar,

Your research is commendable in the area of Muslim conquest of Sindh.
I hope you did not have to lose any sleep in your dedication and zeal, which
again is extraordinary.

I cannot abide by your request for not to send a reply, as you have chosen the
open internet system as forum, rather than sending a private mail message.

However, I will also not take too many lines in doing that. Mr. Baskar, you
provide Hindsight, which I see as Hind sight. Today, nations are led by
governments which are non-religious, no matter how much the religious zealots
scream, banter, and rave to the illeterate masses in the third world.

Religious persecution, is not new to anyone. Christians persecuted Jews,
the KKK and others like them, here still believe in that, Muslims persecuted
Hindoos, Communists persecuted Christians, and the Hindoos (Brahmin vermin
still persecute the harijans and other inferior hindoos as we speak in a 
manner worse than the Nazis with an inverted sawastika). 

Islam can only be spread from its quality of overpowering the heart and the
soul of the masses. People who are forced to convert only go back to what
ever they were doing, once the force/danger no longer exists.

Best Regards,
Shams Hasan.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian