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From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: Re: It Bites
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:11:34 GMT

In article <CHRISLEY.92Nov9181612@black.oxford.ac.uk> chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley) writes:

>   Having had the distinct displeasure of seeing It Bites live in
>   addition to hearing a couple of their albums, I can say without
>   doubt that this band has the most fitting name of any group in
>   the history of rock. 

>Here we go again...
>
>Although It Bites perhaps should not be mentioned in the first few
>lines of the FAQL, Anil's posting is, as you might expect, full of
>hyperbole.
>
>If you like Saga, or 90125, you might really enjoy It Bites.  I can
>think of many worse bands...

Hyperbole? Me? Naw...

Anyway, in all seriousness, you can't really be recommending It Bites
to fans of 90125Yes or Saga can you? Do you actually think the quality of
It Bites' albums even begins to compare to those bands? I certainly
don't think so. I found their music to be very cheesy, and very
derivative without even a glimmer of originality. Mind you,
being derivative is nothing new in the "new-prog" realm, and it
can be done well, but not in this case. There are *MANY* other
interesting acts in Europe to check out before investigating
It Bites.

BTW, what does "It Bites" mean in the European vernacular? I
still remember this line from the It Bites show I saw here, the lead
singer said "I understand 'it bites' has a whole different meaning
over here in Canada!"

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
From: guckengc@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: RE:THE CURE
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:19:58 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

Well MARTHA, one thing I can say about the CURE is that they sold out about the
same time u2 and the Smiths did......

                                      
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From: rlhg3295@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Robert  Howerton)
Subject: Happy the Man info wanted
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:26:11 GMT

I hope some Happy the Man (the band not the song) fans can help me out.
Several years ago a friend with whom I've since lost touch taped their
first two albums, Happy the Man and Crafty Hands.  Unfortunately, he
didn't write any of the song titles or names of band members or release dates.
I've listened to these albums thousands of times, but know next to nothing
about the band, except that Kit Watkins was one of the keyboard players (I
think).  I think they were really an excellent band.  So if some of you prog
rock fans could post here or email me some info on them, I would be grateful.
What other albums did they do and what do they sound like.  What happened to
them and what have they been doing since? And of course, info on the two 
albums I have. 

Thanks,

Robert Howerton
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: MICH <MICH@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: ELP's Father Christmas
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:19:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.115500.5621@iti.org> mpg@iti.org (Martin P. Grueber) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.030319.28256@leland.Stanford.EDU> jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
>>
>> I'm kind of curious--  are there two versions of this song out there?

    I thought the story was that Greg Lake released the song around
1975 as an AM single solo effort without Emerson or Palmer. The
version on Works Vol. II is then a reworking that replaces the
orchestra of the original with Emerson's keyboards.
    I always thought the words were a little too morose to make
it suitable for playing at Christmas. Interestingly, the background
music was not written by ELP but was stolen wholesale without credit
form Sergey Prokofiev's "Lieutenant Kije Suite" of 1934. Palmer
also showed an affinity for Prokofiev by adapting the Scythian Suite
for drums and orchestra on Works vol. I.

Jamie Mitchell



Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: cmccarth@jarthur.claremont.edu (Cliff McCarthy)
Subject: Re: ELP's Father Christmas
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:06:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.234726.251@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Brian.K.Sward@dartmouth.edu (Brian K. Sward) writes:
>In article <1992Nov05.185241.4160@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
>shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>
>> Anyone know of other good songs that could be played at Christmas ?
>
>Chris Squire & Alan White's "Run with the Fox"
>
>and Jethro Tull's "Christmas Song"

Other Tull Christmas songs include:

Another Christmas Song  (Rock Island)
Jack Frost and The Hooded Crow  (20 Years of JT)
March the Mad Scientist  (20 Years of JT)
Ring Out, Solstice Bells  (Songs from the Wood)

--Cliff
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: before you buy the Gentle Giant...
From: ramst11+@pitt.edu (Richard A Meyer)
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:49:00 GMT
Distribution: alt.music.progressive
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Hello,

Before all of you in the states plop down your $20 for the new Gentle Giant
cds it should be noted that I was told that they will soon be made available
here in the states. They are supposedly going to be issued by the same company
so everything about them should be the same.

Later,

Rick

P.S. I don't know this to be a fact, just a rumor.
From: borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Xaal
Date: 6 Nov 1992 13:22:08 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


They have 2 releases.  The most recent (On the Way) is excellent and I
recommend it highly.

-Mike
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: e: JOHN McGLAUGHLIN'S NEWEST
From: S954818@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Mark Pedigo)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:43:00 GMT
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS

Thanks, John.  I couldn't agree more wholeheartedly.
 
-mp
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: mciver@alpo.cs.colorado.edu (William McIver Jr.)
Subject: Club Dates: Russell Malone (Jazz Guitar)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:36:54 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Dates: Russell Malone
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Keywords: guitar show concert


Jazz Guitarist _Russell Malone_ will be playing the following dates:

1. Boston, Nov 16, Schuler's (sp ?)

2. Costa Mesa, California, Nov 21, (location ?), 
    ** with Branford Marsalis **

3. Los Angeles, Nov 24, Lenaria

4. Chicago, Dec 10, Jazz Oasis

5. New York, Dec 14, The Bluenote


He will have several exciting musicians from Atlanta
with him (George Grier, bass; Gary Motley, piano;  ????, drums).

------------------------------------


WJM


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From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.rn.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Re: Gentle Giant CD question - botched discs? n
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:17:09 EST

malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:

> Can't answer Bob's question but I have one of my own:
> 
> Seems to me I recall folks on the net and/or Gibraltar (prog rock list)
> talking about how some or many of the Gentle Giant cds were botched, 
> that some of the recordings had even been butchered or truncated
> a few verses or bars or something, and maybe some more general
> complaints about poor mastering, etc. Can anyone clarify this if
> it is indeed correct? 
> 
>  - Malcolm 

  I read in ICE in summer '89 that on the first GG album, silence was put 
between two tracks which were intended to segue ("Nothing At All" and "Why 
Not?").  Don't know which pressings this applies to, unfortunately.

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 07:05:56 EST
From: <LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Genesis vs. Marillion = WWIII

One of the nice things about this group is that the discussions are
usually between well informed, polite individuals who want to put
across their opinions rationally. This thread, however, reminds me
of the pathetic Rush flame wars that go on over on alt.rock-and-roll
every year or so.
   Please folks, realize that if you start a post with 'marillion is
infinately more talented than pink floyd' or 'marillion fans eat
cheese whiz' then most people stop reading, even if there is some
useful content further down. Discussion about similarities or differences
is much more interesting than name calling.

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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:33:22 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ELP, Interview

Tarkus is a side long (20mins) piece, on the first side of _Tarkus_, consisting
of about 7 (?) parts, much like Close to the Edge has four parts, and 2112 has
seven parts...

Pirates is a thirteen minute tune on side IV of _Works Vol I_, the black one,
and is not subdivided into parts... It features a full orchestra (arranged by
Mr. Emerson and some other conductor) and some really really cool Lake and
Sinfield lyrics...

Is there going to be a new ELP album?  Or is Black Moon a one shot deal?

Slainte mhath,

Mike
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From: nelson@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: New King Crimson live set?
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:48:26 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


Could anybody say when the new King Crimson live box (or double album,
or whatever it is) is coming out in the UK?

Graham Nelson (Oxford)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Subject: Re: DREAM THEATER
Reply-To: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:41:02 GMT

Although I love DT to pieces, I can sum up the cheese image in one word:
"Surrounded."

I hear bit of almost every guitar demigod in Petrucci, but he seams his
influences so well that it becomes something completely new - I can't think
of a more versatile player/composer.

Dream on, d00d.




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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: UK ?
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:36:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.161815.17355@husc3.harvard.edu>  writes:
> 
> 
> A theme for
> discussion: is UK a less successive twin of Asia or not?
> Historically speaking, of course, but from musical point
> of view? 

Lately I have come to the conclusion that UK and Asia are quite similar.  
At the time that Asia came onto the scene I didn't think so (and I still  
like UK better) but the formula is similar in many areas (not just John  
Wetton being present). I couldn't call UK 'progressive' in the strictest  
sense of the term, although they did have the occasional solo.

At least they weren't *insanely* commercial, and Asia could benefit from  
Jobson's violin.







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From: bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Gryphon (was Re: My Lodon experience: Gentle Giant)
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:56:58 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article <1992Nov4.122705.26030@gvl.unisys.com> rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
|> >In article <1992Nov3.211716.22553@dazixco.ingr.com> avdh@sunnyboy.dazixco.ingr.com (Alain van der Heide) writes:
|> >>Has
|> >>
|> >>Also, does anyone else besides me remember a band called Gryphon
|> >> from about
|> >
|> >I saw Gryphon as a warm-up act for Yes during the _Relayer_ tour.  They're
|> >probably the best, obscure warm-up act I've ever seen.  I'll never forget
|> >their front man bassoonist.  What a show!  As with Alain, I'd also like to
|> >know if any of Gryphon's CDs are available.
|> >
|> 
|> A whole bunch of the Gryphon CDs are available, including 2 new compilation
|> disks covering their whole career.  I am still trying to find them, as the
|> local Tower has the order numbers, but they aren't in stock.

A place here in Dallas has four Gryphon titles, all Japanese.  On a
recommendation I picked up Red Queen to Gryphon Three.  I second the
comment about them being an obscure act, but a good one.  You gotta
love any band with a lead electric basson :-)  What would you call
them, renaissance-progressive-symphonic-folk ?????

How does the other stuff compare to Red Queen ?

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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: tbmg9061@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas B MacIukenas)
Subject: Re: ELP, Interview
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:22:50 GMT

<DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Greetings once again!
>[...]
>tioned Tarkus.  Now, I don't have this one, but I've looked at it at least
>100 times as if ready to buy it, but doesn't this have somewhere like
>around 15 songs on it??

The composition _Tarkus_ includes the first 5 or 10 songs on the album.

>       Then came the one mention which I wasn't familiar with at all.
>He mentioned one called "Pirates".  What is it,

An ELP original, 15-20 minutes long.

>what album did it appear on

Works, Vol. I.  (The black double-disc set.)  (Highly recommended,
especially for _Pirates_ and the Greg Lake section.)

>and why haven't I seen it before????

Lousy selection at the local record stores?  :^)
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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: DREAM THEATER
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:46:01 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <djd.720970599@reading> djd@csg.cs.reading.ac.uk (David J Dawkins) writes:
>jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu writes:

>>however.  Oh yeah, and stop stealing everyone elses sounds, riffs,
>>production techniques......

>OK, so I can hear Steve Vai in some licks and the occasional Marillion
>type keyboard sound, but in my book that _doesn't_ amount to a rip-off.

>So, how about a little substantiation?
>	- Whose sounds?  
>	- Whose riffs?  
>	- Whose production techniques?
 

DT sounds _way_ too much like Kansas on _Images and Words_. I'd say
that all of the above were taken from Kansas, for one...

Just my HO


Gregg



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From: SATELLITE@eldi.epfl.ch (Uncle Alias)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Shopping in Paris
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:24:18 GMT
Organization: Satellite -- Enjoy!.. -- EPFL Students pub
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22


	Just came back from a weekend in Paris. And I mean 'just': my train
arrived two hours ago (and I am already back on NEWS *sigh*). One may like the
city or not, it's anyway one hell of a place for prog rock records. Both the
biggest record stores in town have a large progressive display booth. The FNAC
in the Forum des Halles has a nice setup of about anything, including Japanese
imports (Twelfth Night 'Live at the Target' on CD, for example...), and the
Virgin Megastore on the Champs-Elysees has, not one, but TWO boothes for prog
CDs, one for French, one for International...
	Okay, prices are quite high, around 130-160 FF per record, but they
both have a very good choice indeed. I even found my long-awaited copy of Dream
Theater's 'When Dram and Day Unite' at NICE PRICE (89 FF cheap!!!).

	And for all you bootleg lovers, check out the Flea Market at the Porte
de Clignancourt for Marillion, Yes, Jethro Tull, ELP, Fish and many others,
with excellent sound and more than reasonable prices (around 120 FF, 350 FF for
double CDs).

	"Fire in Harmony!.." 						Alias
	A happy customer, who has nothing to do with 
	the aforementionned shops...
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: Re: It Bites
Keywords: FAQ like automatic posting
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:45:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.183502.27988@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> kalang@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (kenneth.lang) writes:
>In the FAQ I saw this band listed in the first few lines. I've seen this band's
>albums in most of the used vinyl shops I frequent, but never knew that they
>were considered progressive nor did I bother to buy an album and listen to
>it. Would anyone care to offer a description as to what they sound like and
>how they fit in to the progressive scene ????

Having had the distinct displeasure of seeing It Bites live in
addition to hearing a couple of their albums, I can say without
doubt that this band has the most fitting name of any group in
the history of rock. 

As for your other question, they fit into the progressive scene
the way David Duke fits into a NAACP meeting.

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: ELP's Father Christmas
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:25:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.030319.28256@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
> 
> 	I'm kind of curious--  are there two versions of this song out  
there?
> I seem to remember that the version I always hear on the radio was much  
more
> orchestrated than the album version on _Works, Vol. 2_.  More orchestral
> parts, more choir, less keyboard, etc.  
> 	Can any one confirm or deny this?  And if it's true, does any one 
> know if it's possible to get a copy of the radio version?
> 
> 	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
> 

Yep - the one they play on the radio is the single version. I bought a  
copy of it when it was in print - you may be able to find it in a good  
used collectible store. It is a lot easier to locate as part of the ELP  
Atlantic Years collection CD.

Gordon

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From: magnus@nexto.udac.uu.se (Magnus Ring)
Subject: ELP in Stockholm
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:07:53 GMT

The ELP World Tour hit Stockholm last night! They haven't played in Sweden  
since 1972 so it was well about time. It was GREAT!!! One of the
best shows I've ever seen. 

The set list was :
   Welcome Back ... (from from Karn Evil 9)
   Tarkus
   Knife Edge
   Paper Blood
   Black Moon
   Emerson's solo :
     Close To Home
     Creole Dance
   Lake's solo :
     In the Begining
     Still ... You Turn Me On
   Lucky Man
   Romeo and Juliette
   Honky Tonk Train Blues
   Pirates
   Pictures at an Exhibition (with Palmer's solo)
   Encore :
     Fanfare for the Common Man/America/Rondo (with Hammond wrestling)

I think all three of the musicians were at there best and the crowd loved
every minute of it. All we got to do now is to sit down and wait for the
critics to tell us how bad and boring it was.

/Magnus Ring
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Let's let the flames die... was Yuri/porno for pryos?
Keywords: album?
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:54:37 GMT

v003nnc3@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MR. BUNGLE) writes:
>I originally was the one who asked about Porno.., and I was flamed for it.  The
>flamer apologized, though, but still people kept replying and flaming.  Yuri
>wasn't flaming anyone, he was trying to discourage it.  I gave up cutting down
>people who flamed me because I don't have that much time.  He just was adding
>to the anti-flame feelings.  Just thought I'd fill you in on what's happening,
>so your not surprised when you get mail/response from Yuri, as I'm sure you
>will.

This is all getting pretty silly - and I seem to have interpreted the 
sequence of events a the same as Mr. Bungle did - Bungle got flamed, and
sent some flame back and it escalated. Though Yuri overused the word
"idiot" a bit too much I took his comments as flaming the flamers who 
were telling people to get lost and fuck off to another group, and then
Yuri gets flamed and told to do so too. %^) I even took Yuri's comment about
ignorance as intended to be funny, or that he'd just chosen his words
a little poorly and he came off as too harsh. At least he included some 
suggestions of diverse music and had some informational content.  

This all started because someone flamed about what they thought wasn't 
progressive. We are bound to get occasional posts about bands that you
or I or someone else don't think are progressive. SO WHAT? Ignore them
and if everyone feels that way then the posts won't get followups and will
die. If you really need to point someone where they might find a better 
audience then do it politely - like the Diamanda post I followed up to 
with more info and redirected followups for to rec.music.misc. Given the 
recent PROGLINKS experiment it seems possible to create a link between
anyone we all consider progressive and anyone we don't. 

It seems to me that most of the folks here appreciate diversity in music. 
Just because I like prog doesn't mean I can't like Mr. Bungle too - I 
listened to their cd last night and it's wild. Warped music that covers
prog/jazz/improv and lots of other territory, with very twisted lyrics.   

Let's continue with a little more sharing of info and ideas about prog music
and stop getting so uptight about folks we don't agree with. 

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