HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:51:05 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1992Aug20.012058.5470@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>Mlle dyer, mlle hughes, & mlle twpierce:

/(asuccop)
/	what is it about calling someone a woman that is
/	inherently an insult again?



Nothing, obviously.  

I didn't do that.

I stated the following:

1.  I am gay; I prefer males to females in damn near any situation.

2.  Obviously, the closer a man approaches to a being / becoming a woman,
    the less interested I would be.  (No, that's not sexist; I don't
    have to apologize for personal taste to anyone, not even you, twpierce.
    I don't find women sexually attractive in the least--that's just the
    way it is).  

3.  Then I said that there wasn't a nickel's worth of diff.
    between the three of them and the real woman.  That's not a put-down;
    it's a statement about attractiveness.

4.  In spite of my preference, if the choice came down to the above
    three, even though they're male, I would take the woman instead.



PS:  Already got the $10.  Actually, I got taken out to lunch instead.
Thanks, folks.  I thought of you all warmly as I ate.


    



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell)
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:59:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.040314.6867@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <65097@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>And it only goes to show just how very, **VERY** little Mr. Dyer
>>knows that this is based in another one of his fuckups. I no more
>>eat "peanut butter and jelly sammiches" than I do Szechuan food
>>or old tractor tires.
>
>I'm sorry George, I must have been misinformed.  Someone once told
>me that your favorite food was peanut butter.  (Really!)  In fact,
>it could have been you, though I won't swear to it.  Was it just
>the jelly half or did I really fuck up this time?

Steve:

Could it be?   Could it really be?
 
That you could confused Furr for Urso.
 
*I'm* the one that eats tonnes/tons of PBJ sandwiches (because I can't cook).
 
*He's* the one that gets pissed on. 
 
[] Urso


-- 
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[] urso@ursa-major.spdcc.com
[] 15 Walker Street, Powder House Square   
[] Somerville, MA 02144-1622, USA 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: black@sybase.com (Christina Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Clinton Campaign
Date: 24 Aug 92 17:41:44 GMT
Distribution: usa

Clinton for President: (800) 995 2388

Donations can be sent to:
	Clinton For President
	PO Box 615
	Little Rock, AR, 72203

Consider doing something for the campaign.  One amusing and painless way
to do political work is to throw a party.  Have whatever your usual sort
of party is, but add a few things:  make buttons, bumperstickers, and
yard signs available;  have position papers to give away;  solicit
donations;  show a campaign video or have a speaker.  Your local
campaign office can get you all the materials.  

Or make voter registration forms available at the office, or put a
bumpersticker on your car, or volunteer at the local campaign office.

This is the big one, folks.

-- Chris
balck@sybase.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: Snaps (no, not *that* kind, Elizabeth)(was Re: new queer terminolog
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:23:33 GMT

mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
: 
: >: > We're going to bury you.
: >: 
: 
: >It's also ironic that Mr. "Voting for Reagan makes me superior" Melonhead
: >is quoting Nikita Kruschev.  But then, with the obvious ignorance of 
: >history Melonhead has so far displayed, I'm sure he thinks he's being 
: >both original and clever. 
: 
: Why, golly, Katherine - I thought I was quoting _Sting_...
: 
: 
: Matthew Melmon
: /etc/etc


Dork.


Kathy
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gai Pied news items, 30th July 1992
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:13:09 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <icumenin@vadier.gr.osf.org>,
emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
> Here are some news items from the 30th July issue of Gai Pied,
> ...
>   the museum was counting on the sale of T-shirts with the inscription
>   "Queen for 40 years", but the authorities made them withdraw them
>   from sale, for fear that they would become the emblem of
>   quadragenarian queers!  _Shocking_!
> 
>   [The T-shirt inscription is rendered as "Une reine de 40 ans"
>   without saying what it was in English, so I am guessing.]

The wording was "Forty years a queen."

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*poot* (Scot.) v.i. to shoot at young partridges or young grouse"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Gai Pied news items, 30th July 1992
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 00:08:38 GMT

emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) wrote: 
->SUCCESS FOR DENEUVE
->
->  _DeNeuve_, the most important magazine for American Lesbians, has
->  just celebrated its first anniversary, in San Francisco.  According
->  to its directors, the monthly has attracted in a year more than
->  78,000 readers.  Flushed with its success, _DeNeuve_ should be
->  turning its attention more to the international market.
->
->  [Why have I never heard of this magazine here?  Is it just me?]

absolutely ... it's not an everyday word here, but it has definitely
been discussed here in the past ... in fact, deneuve's art director
(?? ... i think that's what she does ... jeanne, are you listening
now?) reads motss occasionally, at least.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Calendar Art
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:41:16 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug27.171211.16435@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>In an earlier posting I said the dates of 1942 map onto the
>same days of the week as those of 1992.  I should have said
>this was true from March 1 to December 31 (92 being a leap
>year, 42 not being a yeap year).  I was really only
>concerned to answer Jake's question about August 13, which
>was a Thursday in both years.

A followup to a followup; this is getting ridiculous.
Yesterday, too.  Must be the weather or ozone or just plain
dementia.

While all the above date business is correct, it was *July*
13 that was of (not that much, really) interest, and *that*,
dear friends, was a Monday.

Now you know, hope you're thrilled.  At least you-know-who
has fallen silent, which is a relief, though another
you-know-what has popped right up.  I don't think he'll
last, though: too small a repertory in the fungal growth
he calls a mind.

-- 
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From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Geography (was Re: Guess my age and win a valuable prize!)
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:08:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.41919
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Aug25.205919.6530@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug25.203131.7294@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
>(Nelson Minar) writes:
>
>>And no wonder so many of us hardcore Pacific Northwesterners don't
>>like it when Easterners, or even worse, Californians, move here.
>
>Good thing they don't keep Texans out, huh? :-)

I was just looking through my copy of the "Purity of the Pacific Northwest
Oath and Way of Life" handbook and came upon some interesting footnotes.
First, let me mention that I actually count as a native because I come
from western Montana which Washington took under its wing as a 'nearby
region with similar values but a whole lot less common sense and culture'.
We appreciate being counted, but can't figure out the lack of culture
reference.  After all, we got spittoons.

I noticed that under the second signature line for affirmation of Pacific
Northwest Cultural Purity (just above where you get it notorized), there
is a footnote which refers to line 14.  Line 14, you will recall, states:
"All persons not duly authorized by birth or adoption through form
1M-146J/6 (this form) when inquiring as to conditions of said region will
receive stated answer #62 as follows: 'It hasn't quit raining for days
and the lawn is under 6 inches of mud.  I don't even remember what the
sun looks like.  However, I am much less depressed than this time last
year, the valium is really doing the trick.'".  The footnote is footnote
#3, which states: "Unless we really, really like them, in which case you
are instructed to tell them the truth and invite them to join our
little corner of heaven.".

So there you have it.  Please move to the Pacific Northwest, our little
corner of heaven.

I also noticed on the back of the form, under 'Special Events', that October
5th through the 16th is listed as 'Open season on religious fundamentalist
bigots.  Limit 2.'.  It really is a shame that they impose such a strict
limit, but I did hear that the game wardens sometimes look the other way.
They do not list a restriction as to weapon.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: eating at Furr's
Date: 3 Sep 1992 17:30:58 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <87885@netnews.upenn.edu> 
sfsmith@pennsas.upenn.edu (Sandy F. Smith, Jr.) writes:
> In article <lachcrINNr1m@mizar.usc.edu>, 
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> > 
> > I thought this was going to be about *Furr's* and their
> > yummy-scrumptious, diabetic-shock-inducing Millionaire Pie.
> > But no, it's about beards.
>
> So *tell me* about this pie already.  By the time I left KC, Furr -- er,
> *Furr's* hadn't spread above Arkansas, and all we have to eat here is that
> boring old nouvelle Italian (or was that nouvelle Afghan?) cuisine.

How odd this is.  I wrote all about Furr's to a friend of mine
a week ago, and here I am writing about it on soc.motss.  Well,
my roommate was thrilled to pieces a few years ago when Furr's
opened one of their super-swanky cafeterias in North Hollywood.
(And it's in one of the super-swankiest locations imaginable: the 
parking lot of a K-Mart.)  Anyway, my roommate grew up in Texas 
and *loves* Furr's (Luby's, too, but Furr's is his passion).  So 
he and a friend of mine, who adores white trash vulgarity, started
to shlep out to North Hollywood for lunch or dinner two or three 
times a week, and I always refused to accompany them.  Finally, after
weeks and months of pleading, I agreed to go.  Heavens.  I thought
I was in Beaumont, Texas.  My roommate and friend both insisted 
that no matter what else I ordered, I *had* to have a slice of 
Millionaire Pie.  Furr's is so proud of their Millionaire Pie
that they have big pictures of it all over the place and they've
printed up glossy 4-color brochures all about Millionaire Pie which
include the recipe.  It is *so* sweet.  I think it's made out of
white sugar, brown sugar, confectioner's sugar and marshmallows.
Period.  In any case, that's what it *tastes* like it's made of.

*So* sweet.

> And how does it look sticking to one's mustache?

I don't know.  I wasn't able to ingest enough for it to become
a problem.

*So* sweet.

Arne

From: apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:41:39 GMT
Subject: Re: British spellings
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.motss

Another spelling difference I noticed in a thread a couple of weeks ago:  in
the UK 'jewellery' is used for both the body ornaments themselves and the
art of making them, whereas in the US, if I understand correctly, the former
is spelled 'jewelry' and the latter 'jewellery'.

Andrew
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: The Stockholm Syndrome
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 02:29:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep1.071810.10541@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess 
Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <65036@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com
>(Frank - Swilling) writes:
>
>>When someone thinks so little of you as to abuse your name,
>>they're telling you that you're nothing, worthless.
>
>Which you are free not to accept, a course I would urge
>upon anyone who thinks they're being abused, namewise.
>Our somethingness, our worth, these are things no one can
>take away from us, other than by prolonged terror.  As
>you say ...

Jess makes two important points here. 

The first is that our sense of self is pretty much self-made, and that we
might be best off ignoring what people think of us.

The second is that our somethingness can be taken away by prolonged terror.
We ordinarily think of terror as being something like Patty Hearst's ordeal
in the SLA's closet, or POW's in some prison camps, but there's another
kind of terror which is both more common and more subtle.  It's typically
directed at the weak and voiceless parts of society, such as children and
members of minority groups. 

There's a psychological effect called the Stockholm Syndrome.  In brief,
it's the adoption by captives of the beliefs of their prisoners.  Patty
Hearst robbing Hibernia Bank with a machine gun is the outstanding modern 
American example of that.  It's understandable - it makes life easier and 
reduces cognitive dissonance, at least in the short run. 

I think the same thing happens to gay men, lesbians, and bisexuals who are
taunted, shamed, and beaten for their sexual natures.  They (we) adopt some
of the attitudes of our oppressors.  I doubt that any of us have completely
escaped the effects of homophobia, and they're hard to erase. 

I hope we can muster more compassion for those among us who are suffering
(although they don't think of it that way) from the Stockholm Syndrome.
Like religious zealots, they may be enforced in their beliefs by attacks on
the way they think and feel.  We may have the most effect on them by showing
that it's safe for us to be the way we are, rather than by attacking them
for the way they have come to be. 

-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.scouting,alt.atheism
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: [UPI] "Queer Nation Milwaukee to boycott United Way"
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:22:55 GMT

rcw@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Robert White) writes:

[...]
>By the same token, our local boy scout troop meets in a school building, which
>last time I checked was financed by taxpayer dollars.  The boy scouts can
>do whatever they want, so long as they don't use
> taxpayer money, buildings, and
>facilities to do it.
[...]

Unless the Scout can meet the conditions of the Equal Access Act
(unlikely), their use is likely illegal because of their religious
component.

- Carl
--
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Gai Pied news items, 30th July 1992
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:10:07 GMT

> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
>> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:

>> Here are some news items from the 30th July issue of Gai Pied,
>> ...
>>   the museum was counting on the sale of T-shirts with the inscription
>>   "Queen for 40 years", but the authorities made them withdraw them
>>   from sale, for fear that they would become the emblem of
>>   quadragenarian queers!  _Shocking_!
>> 
>>   [The T-shirt inscription is rendered as "Une reine de 40 ans"
>>   without saying what it was in English, so I am guessing.]
>
>The wording was "Forty years a queen."

Ahem.  *My* 40th birthday's in November... :-)
-- 
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the openness of USENET
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:16:07 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison



In article <1992Aug26.152631.25810@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>Nowadays I post almost exclusively to soc.motss.  But when I
>first got going on Usenet (1986), I posed to all sorts of
>groups, 

Shows what's been happening with my karma, I guess.  John
Fisher will say "jesus wept, Steve Dyer will say "there *is*
a god," I will have to hide my face from myriad jeers, some
of which (only a tiny number, I insist) I might deserve.

I promise not to swear or leave my breadcrusts any more,
honest.

-- 
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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Election Results:  Nick and Nicki
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:54:17 GMT
Organization: NIST

Believe it or not, we had an election yesterday (at least in Broward County.
Dade County votes next week, even though results in inter-county elections
are not kept sealed).  The results were two big upsets of homophobic
politicians.

In the biggest upset, media-hound Sheriff Nick Navarro (he of Two Live
Crew and raids on gay bars) was defeated 53% to 47% by Jim Howard,
a fundamentalist Christian who has no credentials in law enforcement, in
the Republican primary.  Howard will be up against pro-gay Ron Cochran,
who is a virtual shoe-in, in November.

Also losing was anti-gay Broward County commissioner Nicki Grossman in
a race against State Representative Peter Deutsch for the U.S.
Congressional seat vacated by Dante Fascell.  Nicki supported the firing
of employees who were HIV+ in the early 80's.  Deutsch has been a staunch
proponent of gay rights in the state legislature.  The district is
heavily democratic, so Deutsch should make it into the house.

Some good news from S. Florida, for a change.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: rcw@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Robert White)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: [UPI] "Queer Nation Milwaukee to boycott United Way"
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:42:10 GMT
Organization: The WhiteStar Corporation

In article <jce.715012808@sycamore.cs.scarolina.edu> jce@cs.scarolina.edu (James C. Evans) writes:

{I'm sorry, but from the standpoint of protecting civil rights, I have
{to agree with Mr. Fabie.  So long as a club's connections with government
{are weak, its membership should be allowed to discriminate in its
{admission policies against whomever it wants.  

Well, at least the New Orleans city council doesn't agree.  They passed
an ordinance last year that prohibited certain Mardi Gras Crewes from using
city facilities because their membership policies were considered 
discriminatory.  Please note that not all of the Crewes have such policies,
and therefore the ordinance doesn't have an impact on them.

By the same token, our local boy scout troop meets in a school building, which
last time I checked was financed by taxpayer dollars.  The boy scouts can
do whatever they want, so long as they don't use taxpayer money, buildings, and
facilities to do it.

-- 
  [   Robert Carleton White, Jr.                      rcw@scicom.alphacdc.com]
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: for powell in south carolina
Date: 24 Aug 92 02:16:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug24.015118.699@cis.ohio-state.edu>
amz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>powell, i can't get *any* e-mail to you.  do you want a copy of
>the porn posting? if so, how can i get it to you?

I use cc!almira!scbear!powell@ncrcae.columbiasc.NCR.com

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Don't faint dead away but...
Keywords: Jess, archive, GIF, JPEG
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:25:41 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

Jess Anderson has submitted a Polaroid for the motss archive!
(Finally!  After years of only a snippet from a photo from the
Denver 'con.)  Check out jess_anderson.gif or jess_anderson.JPEG
and see what it means to look younger than your years--he's an expert.

On a totally nerdly note, I want to announce that I've added
the same image of Jess to the archive in two formats: GIF and JPEG.
I do this as the first step in switching from GIF to JPEG for all
the images in the motss photo archive.  GIF images are limited to
8 bits deep (256 colors), whereas JPEG images can be up to 24 bits
in depth (16,000,000 colors) AND at the same time be much smaller
than their corresponding GIF files.  jess_anderson.gif is 121414
bytes long, whereas the 24-bit image jess_anderson.JPEG is only
31102 bytes long, and on a 24-bit display is superior in image
quality.

Over the next few months, I'll be converting the GIF files to their
JPEG format, with an eye toward eliminating the GIF images once
I'm fully converted.  This should free up a fair bit of space, since
the JPEG files are much smaller.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer