From: blais@milo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Kristin Blais)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Passing out Condoms  (Was Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT)
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:44:56 GMT
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii

In article <1992Aug26.045511.19175@athena.mit.edu> jfed@athena.mit.edu (Jude G Federspiel) writes:
>I'll tell you.  It's so simple it's almost funny.  You start when the child is
>very young.  You teach the child sex before marraige is wrong, dangerous, and
>can have catastrophic consequences.  You show them (eventually we'll get a 
>generation that can do this) by example that a loving married couple has just
>as much sexual fun as an unmarried pair.  You teach them that although sexual
>urges can be pretty strong during teens and pre-marital years, it's just
>another thing you have to wait out.  Too few Americans have the discipline to
>do this.  Kids just have to be taught it's not wrong to take a stand, to differ
>from the crowd.  (a lot of teen sex is the result of peer pressure to be
>sexually active).  Voila!
>
>Anyone who doesn't believe this is true just doesn't want to admit it because
>it's obviously not an _easy_ thing to do, and people have become too
>accustomed to promiscuousness (?) -- people won't like saying they have to
>give up something they like in order to solve a problem.  Instead, they
>say, "lets hand out condoms so they can have the best of both worlds:  health
>and baby-free sex."  That's fine.  But it's blood on their hands every time 
>someone is impregnated or infected with some sexually communcated disease because 
>of condom failure.
>Jude Federspiel
>jfed@athena.mit.edu

Yeah and HOW MANY KIDS DO YOU HAVE THAT ARE TEENAGERS?
I BET ZERO. It is a fundamental law of teenagers
to do whatever their parents say they shouldn't.
Growing up in a Catholic family I know *lots* of
women who were my friends who went to Catholic high school etc.,
and the second they went to college they slept with every
guy in sight. I think you don't know what you're talking about.
I went to public school and my friends there largely 
*didn't* do this both I and myself credit it with
the mandatory sex education in N.Y. As I said to my
Mom as a teenager, I'm curious I can either have
someone tell me about it or I can learn about it on my 
own. and seeing as the only thing my mother was ever willing
to say about sex was :" don't ever sit on any boy's
lap you can get pregnant". It was during my term in junior high 
that they started the sex ed and pregnancy rates went *down* 
as did the age of first sexual encounter. Followups in
college showed that the people who did become sexually
active during high school generally had one or two sexual 
partners during college) 

What did we learn in sex ed? (which was part of a required 
health class?) birth control and failure rates- it's better
to use *two* forms of birth control because eventually even
the best one will fail. The mechanics of sex (i.e. 
how come men can't urinate by accident during ejaculation )
and reproduction (stages of development of a baby), 
hormone cycles of men and women (i.e. women's monthly
and men's daily hormone cycles) The only ethical statement made
was the teacher saying that for the first sexual encounter
it was probably best if you at least waited until you
were with someone you cared for/loved because it can be 
an embarassing experience because everything is new, so
it's easier if you wait for someone who you will be comfortable
with. I hear they are now advising people if they are going 
to have sex that the should at least double the condoms,using
ones with nonoxyl- (sp?) so that if one breaks they don't get HIV,
and to think about boh partners getting tested first.
:-)
Kristin
 
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