HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: tinysex logs and tinygolden showers (ghack)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 12:55:27 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

My perspective on the whole FurrySmut Logs imbroglio (without contributions
from enzie and myself, this could hardly be considered a complete imbroglio,
and I understand that enzie is hard at work on his contribution):

Jeez.  I mean, seriously, jeez.  Okay, I'm horrified and all at the breach of
confidence and the theft and the un-nice-ness of posting all those logs of
tinysex, but I'm even more horrified by the tinysex.  I mean, Furries PISSING
ON each other?  Ghack.  Serious ghack.

I for one have never engaged in tinysex... and have even gone so far as to
play basically asexual characters (KeyLime, for example) to avoid the usual
whispered come-ons you get in the Park if you play anything with genitalia. 
Now I am reminded of why.  

Not only does tinysex make for some pretty repulsive reading (I said "yack,
tinysex logs" and skipped past them until someone told me about the one where
urine came into the scene, at which point I went back, looked, and said
"ghack") it gets even more repulsive when you recall that this is NOT a bunch
of sexy, svelte animals engaged in consensual intercourse and golden showers
(Ghack.  Serious ghack.) but rather a bunch of largely male, largely socially
inhibited weirdos (who like to sit around going "ooh" and "ahh" over pictures
of naked fox'morphs with large melon-shaped breasts) pretending that they're
lushly developed centaurs and fox'taurs and this'n'that'taurs and foxes with
melon-shaped breasts and so forth and so forth having wildly exciting sex with
each other.  <-- yes, that was all one sentence :)

I used to think the PernMUSH weirdos were kinda lacking in imagination... now
I know they've been dethroned by the Furries.  Guys, guys, guys, there's more
to life than Furry tinysex.  And no, I'm not referring to such unexplored
vices as coprophagy and necrophilia.

Sigh.

PISSING ON each other?  Ghack.  Serious ghack.

Jfurr awaits the inevitable death threats for expressing this point of view.


              NewDay: zeus.calpoly.edu 4201 or 129.65.16.21 4201
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Joel Furr                                                   jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu
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      Aphrodite  -  Chune  -  Crisis  -  Eddie  -  Fleur-de-Lis  -  grass
   Igburyanki  -  KeyLime  -  Kilroy  -  littlewolf  -  Max  -  Mr. Kool-Aid
             No-Neck  -  Pearl  -  Rudolpho  -  Silence  -  Tycha
From: jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: re: those damn logs
Date: 15 Oct 1992 14:16:37 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway

is297219@umbc2.umbc.edu (some stupid Furry) writes:

>        Joel,
>        
>        I *did* read the log in question, the act that you mention is less
than 
>a dozen poses and is BURIED way towards the end.  You had more than enough
time 
>to look through  that and the other logs to see that they were provate and
none 
>of your damn business!  It would take more than a casual skim to find it .

Apparently you're illiterate.  I skipped past ALL of the logs, didn't read ANY
of them, until someone told me that one of them had Furries pissing on each
other.  I didn't believe them at first, but they assured me it was true, so I
went and checked, went "ghack", and stopped reading immediately.

>        Why did you zero in on those dozen poses anyway, of the 20+ logs? 
The 
>only thing worse than your voyeuristic attitude is lying about it in a post.
>

What is it about Furries?  Can't they read or reason properly?  Someone posts
to the net that they had the urination bit pointed out to them, and the second
you read it, this dribbles right out your ear.  If you think I dignified the
perverted logs by reading them and just happened to come across that juicy
little urination tidbit, you're sadly mistaken.  The only log that got more
than a "argh, another one, let's skip past" was the Closing of Islandia log,
which had no tinysex in it that I noticed.

              NewDay: zeus.calpoly.edu 4201 or 129.65.16.21 4201
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Joel Furr                                                   jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu
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    Aphrodite - Chune - Crisis - Eddie - Fleur-de-Lis - grass - Igburyanki
       Joel - KeyLime - kitti - littlewolf - Max - Mobius - Mr._Kool-Aid
        No-Neck - Octopus - Pearl - Rudolpho - Silence - Tater - Tycha
From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Subject: Re: Tiny logs ...
Followup-To: rec.games.mud.tiny
Keywords: penn, security, tinylogs, idiocy
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:11:51 GMT

takkyon@dartmouth.edu (Dr. Tachyon) writes:
> [ after a sysadmin's note that muds are a security hole ]
>
>Not really, no.  Besides which, whether or not this is so hardly excuses
>the mistakes that allowed the logs to get posted.

You're blaming entirely the wrong people, guy.  The Penn sysadmin's
machine is one of thousands on the net which are perfectly happy to 
accept forged or insecure articles or mail.  I can send you mail
*today* from a Sun of your choice with a Reply-To of gbush@whitehouse.
I can post an article *today* to a newsgroup of your choice that can
be traced to *you*.

The person who needs to be blamed for this is the perpetrator and
the idiot who left his or her 'private' files readable by anyone
who wants to take a look, not the person whose machine was used for
the posting itself.  There will always be machines from which people
can post or mail what they want.  Just as a particularly facetious
example, I can spoof sendmail into sending mail to ucbvax's mailposting
software from any machine on the net.

Stop saying sysadmins are often clueless and implying that they exist
to serve your little problems of security on someone else's machine.

If you want to make a file or directory inaccessible to everyone but
yourself, type 'chmod 700 filename' at the unix prompt of your choice.
If you don't do this, and you get screwed, the blame is partly yours.

>Ah, what wonderful sensitivity.  Lovely.

Tell me, are you meaning to imply that you could do a better job of
administrating over 40 heterogenous unix machines on a network, alone?

>email: takkyon@dartmouth.edu / takkyon@northstar.dartmouth.edu
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From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Subject: Re: threadway
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:42:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.151703.3832@arizona.edu>, MARLEY@hacks.arizona.edu (Marley Treadwell) writes:
|> I feel sorry for the wizards that seem to think because they log something it
|> is ok for them to print it in news.
|> Threadway will not do that to you . It has happened recently by accident and
|> will not happen again. Logging of what is going on is fine but to print it
|> without the persons knowledge is tacky.

How do you prevent a person from posting a log here? I thought that the RL
version of @toad was not supposed to be completed for at least 2 more years. :)

|> 
|> 
|> 
|> Come to Threadway and see the difference
|> 
|> 
|> Marley
|> Address is Jove.cs.pdx.edu or 131.252.20.12 port 4201
|>                               131.252.21.12 same port.
|> 
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From: agri@pa.itd.com (Howard)
Subject: Re: tinysex logs and tinygolden showers (ghack)
Organization: Space Remote Sensing Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:06:52 GMT

In article <Bw5DIp.G2v@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> mwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Bill The Cat) writes:
>jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>
>>PISSING ON each other?  Ghack.  Serious ghack.
>
>>Jfurr awaits the inevitable death threats for expressing this point of view.
>
>>              NewDay: zeus.calpoly.edu 4201 or 129.65.16.21 4201
>               (Notice that I'm Leaving the Obvious Plug Intact!)
>    
>I for one agree with Joel on this... If you are gonna flame on Joel about, 
>use this email address :  whocares@mwilson.async.vt.edu   I'll make sure
>it gets routed to him... don't burn VT's drives with your BS about tiny*sex.
>TS is for losers who can't get a date. 
> 
>[Flame On!] - I beleive that was the Human Torch from the Fantasic Four
>-- 
>| Mike Wilson | You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.         |
>|   Va Tech   | If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.    |
>|  UnderGrad  | You can choose from phantom fears, and kindness that can kill |
>|Comp. Science| I will chose a path that's clear, I will chose Free Will.-RUSH|


Wait,.....damn,.....I wish I could find some old files.  Too bad I delete 
them so rapidly.  I could have sworn a few playres at AfterFive claimed you
(Demon_Lord) had TS with them.  Oh well.  

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From: sspatter@netcom.com (Samuel Scott Patterson)
Subject: Log files
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:35:56 GMT


Why did you do this?
As far as I know, I haven't done anything to anyone and if I had, I
really don't think making my SO very suicidal is a good answer...
*sigh* as if it matters, I love her a very great deal in RL. In
fact, we live together and plan to marry.  I suppose I should blame
myself because I chmod'd my account so my parents and I could transfer
files to each other but I really don't understand why you chose to
do this.  I am reasonably hurt.  At the very least, you could explain
to me why you did this.

							-Alen
                          
                                                        Scott
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From: snarflrd@leland.Stanford.EDU (NM156)
Subject: Re: another plug for NewDay
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 06:27:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.173808.28322@athena.mit.edu> fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:
>In article <Bw4A9x.CpG@ais.org> jgm@ais.org (jim miller) writes:
>>
>>I'd like to stress that, additionally, NewDay is free of hostile dinos,
>>pompous programmers, "Buchanan wannabes" (to quote a Furry), and most

i resent this.  i'm a pompous programmer.  i'm on furry.  bad joel.  bad.


>Yeah, well too bad it's not free of you.

hey... that's a good idea.  maybe we should start charging for KeyLime.  i
think that feature is worth a couple bucks a month.  merchandizing with
cute slogans could follow:
   Draw the Lime.
   A Lime in the Sand.
   Toe the Lime

   ... never mind.  sorry.  i take it all back, oh numerous joel-haters.
it was all a joke.  don't flame me.  please.


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Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
From: russ@math.okstate.edu (Horatio "Random" Hellpop)
Subject: Re: another plug for NewDay
Organization: Aggie? What precisely is an Aggie?
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:46:38 GMT

In <1992Oct15.085200.5629@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> csteele@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher E Steele) writes:

>In article <Bw4A9x.CpG@ais.org> jgm@ais.org (jim miller) writes:
>>
>>I'd like to stress that, additionally, NewDay is free of hostile dinos,
>>pompous programmers, "Buchanan wannabes" (to quote a Furry), and most
>>Space Madness players.
>>Behold:
>>
>Ah, slight problem here.  I know a lot of people from NewDay that go to
>Space Madness.  In fact, they plug SM ON NewDay.  One reason I quit going
>there.  And as for most SM players not on ND, well YOU are on both.
>Isn't that bad enuff???

On behalf of the virtuous and pure users of Space Madness, feel free to leave
us out of further discussion.  It's getting tricky to devastate the emotions
of new users; they seem to come in such an influx under perceived controversy.

*rolls his eyes*

-- 
---------------------===Comedy!  Sudden, violent comedy!===--------------------
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  Don Random of the "Random Gang"    |   there is no such thing as Paranoia.
What a pinhead! Does he not fear us? |   It's all true." -- Hunter S Thompson
From: fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: FurryMUCK Pins Down Space Madness? : )
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:47:31 GMT
Organization: Foxes 'R' Us - Seven locations to serve you

dwest@cwis.unomaha.edu (David West) writes:

>Come on, auzzie. If a person is going to do that, he
>should at least post the EXACT quotes to the group of friends, then
>maybe with some snyde commentary, but out and out lies is what breeds
>mistrust and causes wars between MU*...

Exact quotes...you mean like Logs?

-- 
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From: emeinfel@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (...)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: NarniaMUSH
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:48:04 GMT
Organization: Ferrous Fencing Ferrets Inc.


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Be a talking beast, be a walking tree, just be Narnian.  Very few
feature characters have been taken, very little has been built.

So email me here or at emeinfel@sadira.gb.nrao.edu for a character as
we are under registration.  Or log on as Guest and page a wiz.
You will find us at gallina.gb.nrao.edu (192.33.116.113) on
port 6250.
-- 
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From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: Tiny logs ...
Keywords: tinylogs, twinks, flame, penn, idiocy
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:12:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: wixer.1992Oct14.181234.21793
Followup-To: rec.games.mud.tiny
Organization: Real/Time Communications

In article <priss.719037692@glia> priss@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Lisa) writes:
>To further input about the furious people...  From the general reaction, the person/persons responsible for this intrusion will likely be lynched!  Several people are not just furious, they are actually wanting to see this person face to face and do some quite painful things to him/her/them.

Hit return after every line next time.

>Security is of the upmost for everyone one.  Also, illegally posting logs that you recorded will definitely tick off people if you do not ask their permission.

Security is not of the upmost for everyone one.  I, for instance, have gotten
into the habit of not making any statements I wouldn't mind seeing on the front
page of tomorrow's New York Times.  The people who are whining the most about
this are not even involved -- why are they bothering?

Posting logs is not even close to 'illegal'.  It's immoral, perhaps, but there
are no laws involving muds.

>To the jerk who posted all those logs:
>	Laugh it up while you can...  But watch your back.  Your little prank has just made about 50+ enemies right now, plus a heck of a lot of sysadmins totaly paranoid about their security, and an additional several dozen users who are trying to use the system to their best advantage without stirring trouble.  Since you ruined it for them and many other people, there is a likely chance that you have become the enemy of every netter in this country.

Again, please try to hit return after every line.  As a sysadmin, I can
definitively state that this event would have made absolutely no difference
to me if I were employed right now.  Moreover, I really don't see how this
makes 'several dozen users who are trying to use the system to their best
advantage without stirring trouble' in any way inconvenienced.  Last but not
least, this 'enemy of every netter in this country' line is just flat out
dumb.  Maybe ten, twenty people were affected by these logs.  There are over
three million users of the usenet, most of whom are perfectly happy to ignore
the hell out of little game squabbles.
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From: marc r stephens@um.cc.umich.edu (Marc Stephens)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Where is FurryMUCK?
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:01:10 GMT
Organization: University Of Michigan Medical School
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I have been unable to connect to FurryMUCK for about a week now, what
gives?
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From: ronni@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Taisia)
Subject: Re: FurryMUCK Pins Down Space Madness? :)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:19:46 GMT

Keylime, you really do suprise me.  I wonder if there is an award
for the most unclued person in the world.
Posting that log, is fine.  It was public knowledge,
but to post it, for whatever intentions, which IMHO,
you're just posting it to continue flames between Furry
and Space Madness.  OH GOOD....
Score a Clue, please.  Some of us don't like being qouted
out of context...
One day, you will realize that, in all the madness of
your _inability_ to think rationally, you will understand
how the clueless can hurt people, sometimes more than
malicious actions.

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From: psyco4@jane.uh.edu 
Subject: Re: Tiny logs ...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: tinylogs, twinks, flame, penn, idiocy
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:03:00 GMT

In article <A700E2224F015032@ghostwheel.dartmouth.edu>, takkyon@dartmouth.edu
 (Dr. Tachyon) writes...
 I'd say
>the chances of my accepting an apology from you were slightly lower than
>the chances of Z'kon becoming God of PernMUSH. 

*smirk* Who said I _wanted_ to be God of PernMUSH? I've enough problems 
with my daughter...geez :)

> 
>		-- dt
>				Ye Royal Lord High Twink-Squisher Extraordinaire, Amby's Army


Jason Ballew,
The Aforementioned Z'kon...

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From: dwest@cwis.unomaha.edu (David West)
Subject: Re: FurryMUCK Pins Down Space Madness? : )
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:25:30 GMT

jgm@ais.org (jim miller) writes:


>jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:

>>26) Kostchyevkov  Today -- FURRY LOGGING

>>I went over to Space Madness earlier today for a while, sat and listened in
>>their main hang out joint. Many of them just were shooting the breeze, but a
>>few in particular were acting as if they had nothing better to do than bash
>>furry and particular furries.      
>>
>>One of those is GROD. He was /quoting stuff, I realized quickly, REALTIME from
>>a character in WCOP. Quoting, misquoting, and taking things in and out of 
>>context to make all sorts of harmless statements seem perverse as hell, and 
>>what he did with the !harmless statements is obvious. Anyhow, he was doing
>>this much to the amusement of his compadres. He also called up some bits that
>>were not realtime, so they must have been previously logged. 


>Wait, is Kostchyevkov *sure* these were Space Madness people doing this?
>This is *really* going to take some convincing.  Maybe if there were some
>sort of *pattern* or *history* of this kind of thing happening.... let's
>give them the benefit of the doubt, until we have *more* evidence that they
>really act like the rib-nudging herd of alpha males of the mud world
>portrayed here.

The person in question was caught doing such by more than one person.
Now, come on guys, think a little. Do you really want people to post
what is going on in one MUCK to another, with the inevitable biases that
go on with it? The question isn't rules, it's ethics. People who do such
things are by no means operating with any sort of ethics.

>>I do not think he was necessarily the person who posted the logs to R.G.M.T.,
>>but he might have been. He has the know how, the maliciousness, and the crude
>>attitude.     


>Whoa whoa whoa.  It may be that Kostchyevkov just doesn't appreciate the
>subtle humor of misrepresenting and humiliating unwitting victims among
>the safety of a group of friends.

By having people defamed, because the person is out and out lying about
what is going on? Come on, auzzie. If a person is going to do that, he
should at least post the EXACT quotes to the group of friends, then
maybe with some snyde commentary, but out and out lies is what breeds
mistrust and causes wars between MU*...

>-auzzie

David West
From: guest@sg1.chem.upenn.edu (Guest Account)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: cyber
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:09:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Kagemushi looks down at the little teeny Alaskan wolf.
Catherine 's form ripples and changes, until she has become a beautiful
 felinoid.
Horus pages:  A little parachute falls from the sky and lands in front of you.
 A little note  tied to the end reads "Hi! I can't stay on...Here is a new
 muck, a real rpg game, based on cyberpunk and megatraveller. Pretty neat.
 134.114.64.6 2323 CyberMUCK --Horus"
You page, "I heard there is no OOC stuff allowed there." to Horus.
Horus pages:  A little parachute falls from the sky and lands in front of you.
 A little note  tied to the end reads "*almost* none. But essentially true.
 --Horus"
You page, "How's it going?" to Horus.
Bunnell wonders when he offered Sley the revolver.
Horus pages:  A little parachute falls from the sky and lands in front of you.
 A little note  tied to the end reads "There or stuff in general? --Horus"
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