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From: alfred@omcron.uleth.ca (James Alfred)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Singapore Babies...
Date: 4 Apr 92 22:54:52 GMT
Organization: University of Lethbridge

chuakh@elaine31.Stanford.EDU (Khenghwa Chua) writes:

>I look at some of the 21 year old Americans or students from other
>countries which do not have mandatory military service and I feel that
>army gave me a slight edge.  What do others think???
>KhengHwa
>--

I believe that the army is a good thing for Singaporeans only.  You think
you've got an edge over others but in actual fact you don't.  Most North
Americans are very independent at a young age.  We don't depend on our
parents to support our education.  Most of us pay our way through school.
I know that most Singaporeans are dependent on their parents for financial
support.  I've observed that Singaporeans who come to North America before
joining the service seem to be very extravagant.  North Americans on the
other hand are forced to be disciplined in supporting themselves after
they leave home. Please care to comment.

James.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.europe
From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: WWII:  Philippines, India and Norway
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 12:43:59 GMT

Forwarded from:
Article 8697 of soc.history:


From military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)

Friday, 10 April, 1942

Japan begins marching the Filipino and American troops captured on Bataan
100 miles to San Fernando.  

Japanese troops land on Billiton Island in the East Indies and Cebu in the
Philippines.  Filipino and American troops on Cebu retire to the island's
interior.

India's Congress Party and Muslim League both reject Britain's proposal for
Indian self-rule.

Norwegian Bishop Berggrav is imprisoned in the Bredvedt concentration camp
outside Oslo; Quisling threatens to have him executed.

RAF Bomber Command drops the first 2-ton bomb during a raid on the 
city of Essen.

Reporter: George Patterson (dasher!patter@uunet.UUCP)



-- 
 Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
 (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
 Go BLUE JAYS  3-0  v. Orioles   Friday, Saturday and Sunday
 The Rangers jinx continues.  The year they could win, they strike.
From: jit@slic.cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Hereditary rulers and Malaysian Chinese
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:01:15 GMT
Originator: jit@slic.cellbio.duke.edu

In article <92101.143753ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET> ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET (C. K. Ng) writes:
>
>   First and foremost, I am neither for nor against the hereditary
>rulers in Malaysia.  I am making the following conjecture purely from
>an economic perspective, hopefully without fear and partiality.
>

[-deleted-]

>dichotomous choice has to be made.  It's my honest opinion that the intent
>to use the hereditary rulers to check Dr. M's stepping over his permitted
>bounds is not a wise move at all.  Such watch-dog function should be done
>by the opposition parties, be it be DAP, PAS, or the 46ers, in the elected
>Dewan Rakyat.
>

Question: would you go abroad one-way-ticket if *YOU* believe that 
such thing is possible and that the future is bright ?  

It is true that Malaysia's wages are lower than the US, and thus
impossible for a poor professor to support his/her children
overseas. However, you are talking about at least 15 years away,
assuming that you have a 3 year old child.

15 years is a long time, granted that the Malaysia economy is bouncing
along *REALLY* well for the past few years.  If you do pay close attention,
you'll find that Malaysia foreign currency exchange rate is gaining strength. 
Foreign investments are dazzling along the west coast of peninsular Malaysia.
(Don't know about East Malaysia) How well ? Let's say that I have about 
a dozen of friends who are working in Malaysia have been sent by their 
companies to overseas such as US, Hong Kong, Japan, Taiwan, for some kind 
of job related training.  One of them was stationed in the US for 
about 1.5 years.  I am sure you were aware of all these situations
before you made your choice to move to the US.

Besides, since you have been insisting that local Malaysian students
on the average are brighter, IQ wise, why would you want your children to go 
overseas only to be branded as parents' low IQ pampered child ?
Why wouldn't you send them to local U ? It's cheaper and closer to home.
Afterall, I am sure an MU professor is capable of supporting their children
to MU financially.

Many people did not post not because they are dumb or they agree
with the discussions, but their reservations that they are going 
home to Malaysia. That's the big difference.
As you probably know that from your signature :-)

On the other hand, you are certainly welcome to give your opinion
as much as possible, since you aren't going back, in an unbiased,
unfearful way.  

No flame intended.  Just an observation.

>Sincerely,
> Chee-Keong "hope they don't detain me when I go back this summer" Ng, PhD
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> "Anak penoreh getah dan bangga dengannya"
> Assistant professor in finance and banking
From: v134rrxt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Wei-Tiong Cham)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Important:PLEASE read.
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:08:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.1992Apr12.170918.20909
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <73635@netnews.upenn.edu>, choo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (TOM HOO CHUIN HOONG) writes...
>Dear fellow Malaysians,
>	I have been reading from the network for a long time and is troubled
>by the racist slurs and personal attacks being thrown around by some people
>in the network.
> 
>	I believe that we, as Malaysians, must seek to forge close ties among
>each other, no matter which sides we take in an argument. We should act as
>mature adults in accepting other people's opinions, and debating both sides
>of the issues...not throwing personal attacks at other people's race, religion,
>or beliefs. It is unimaginable that some people among us can resort to words
>like "f---" and childish retorts when the same people are studying in top \universities in the States. The same people that I am talking about not only resort
>to asking people "to wash their faces in the toilet bowl 1000 times", or writing racist comments about the identities of other people, but also seek to
>sensationalize sensitive issues. These people are dangerous because they will
>ultimately create an atmosphere of tension among members of the newsgroup when
>the objective of the newsgroup is to create fruitful discussions of certain
>issues.
> 
>	We should stop replying to people like Zam because he does not seem to
>understand the basic manners of discussion in the network. Because of their
>behavior, much  unnecessary enery and anger have been unleashed among members
>of the network when all these energy should have been channeled into discussing
>all sides of the issues.
> 
>	I love Malaysia and I am not deterred by words that say I am loyal
>to other countries like SIngapore, China.Of course I will be hurt when someone
>calls me unpatriotic, or that I should leave Malaysia, or that I should give my
>mum, sister to someone else....BUT WHAT IS THE POINT OF TALKING TO SENSELESS
>PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROVEN AGAIN AND AGAIN THAT THEY ARE INSENSITIVE TO OTHER PEOPLE' FEELINGS AND HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THEM?
> 
>	Please, Boycott people like Zam. They will only create trouble when
>there is none. These people are flame-starters that will jeopardize the 
>relationship among races. We should work together to solve the problems among
>us, not insult each other's identity.
> 
>	BOYCOTT THEM NOW!
>TOM




	Please don't boycott ZamAz, the great comedien (clown?) from
Malaysia.  His postings are truly entertaining, sometimes disgusting.
I enjoy reading them.
	To saudara ZamAz, keep up your stoopid postings.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:35:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.193618.17106@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>"Go fuck yourself, you little fascist"

Here we go again! So, what is the punishment according to the Kuran for cursing

Please, if you can't control yourself for using such language in the network,
then i suggest you don't say anything at all. Say something intelligent....then
again , you've proven to us that you have a problem doing that so often....


>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: roach's plea for Zam
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:36:01 GMT
Reply-To: omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: omega@happy.cc.utexas.edu

----------roach-----------

>lets ananlyse the situation...
>most people can be proven to hate other races simply because
>they are different.  that is proven by the number of blacks
>in top executive positions.  it may not be blatant disregard 
>for the law, nevertheless, it exist much more than you would
>expect.  zam is only honest folks.  he may have a crude way
>of disseminating information, but still, his expressions (vulgar)
>must be seperated from the content.  and the content is not
>openly true, but true based on information that we see exist.

Ah, a racist profess itself by supporting another racist. The oldest
trick in the book teaches us that if you claim you are honest and
believe in what you do, others might forgive you even if you are
wrong. Now I honestly think that you roach is a pile of SH*T, and 
yes I honestly think so. You should not be offended because I'm honest.
I honestly think that zam is a racist, but he has a cause, what is yours
numbskull ? (yes I honestly think that you are too a bonehead, good for 
nothing, pot shot taking pile of no good SH*T, not to mention you're
merely a parasite, roach.)

>question: if u had a daughter and you were white, would you
>          allow her to marry a black man?  you will sooner
>          or later realize that intermarriages exit almost
>          nonexistently.


An assertion disguise as a question does not clear yourself from being
a racist. May be Duke is your mentor, yah ??

Squash, squash, make my day, punk !

Roach Killer.
From: dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist ? NOT!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:08:27 GMT

chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:

>In article <1992Apr14.191854.24657@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja) writes:

>>>A teaser : The population of East Timor in 1975 was 688,000. Today,
>>>it is 450,000. Where do you think the rest of them went? And no,
>>>the answer is NOT migration. Think guns, torture and detention.
>>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>How do you know there is NOT a migration???????

>Yeah right, a migration from the streets to the jail and slaughter houses.

Hahhhh. Can you name any jail or slaughter houses in east timor?

I remember read an article from an Indonesian Newspaper a while back that
there are some east timorese migrate to west timor!.
 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
>Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
>Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@stargate.elec.canterbury.ac.nz

Darmawan
dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 00:10:45 EDT
From: <MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
 <1992Apr6.173658.739@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>


In article <1992Apr6.173658.739@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
an512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Lee) says:
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>AHHHHHH...now that the Holy Bulan Rammadan is over we see the tough
>guys come out to play, eh??? I sincerely hope that your children
>will not turn out to be like you...hiding behind the cloud of the Islamic
>religion...Bahh!!! :)
>
>--


i have seen many articles on this net that refers the holy month of ramadhan.
and i have also seen some non muslims invoke this holy month to make a point.
when a person who happens to be a muslim, curses or uses foul language, he
is automaticly branded as breaking the rules of the ramadhan month.

but, is it necessarily wrong for just the month of ramadhan? where did you
get the idea that muslims can't curse during ramadhan? is cursing on the net,
just a musim thing? i seem to recall an articl on the Penang free school that
really got out of hand. was it okay for them to curse cause they don't observe
the ramadhan month?

i do not advocate the use of foul language on the net. we are sensible people
here(i hope) and we should know what is black and white. BUT, please do not
invoke the use of religion when counter debating another person's opinion (if
it is not a religious issue). zam is but a speck of a sky full of muslims .
insulting him on the basis of ramadhan would be an indirect insult to muslims
who observe the month of ramadhan.

-firdaus azharuddin-
muslim, malaysian, malay and human.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: Zam Again!
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:08:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.171032.11421@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>
>	We have several of those "Malays" out here too.  They come
>from rich families and only mingle with the Chinese.  

Talk about racist slurrs...You are the ultimate, 

Obviously, you do not believe in racial harmony, do you? Since you don't, why
did you bother coming out of your home country to pursue an education? 

Since you seem to be so 'genuinely' concern about your country's racial problem
(if it even exist),why don't you stay there and try and make a difference?


>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

You seem to have very resentful sentiments towards anyone other than your own
race, then why did you still come to America, where the majority is whites?
Maybe you should explain why, i'm sure a lot of people reading your posts would
love to know.

tabk2@isuvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: More replies (long...)
From: slam@eve.wright.edu (Sau Chun Lam)
Date: 12 Apr 92 11:51:20 EST
Organization: Wright State University

In article <1992Apr9.1378.a0012@moe.gov.sg> tansm@moe.gov.sg writes:
>Chee Keong Ng writes:
>
>> A graduate of National University of Singapore, 1986
>
>That makes you a very rich man or else your mum or dad must be very rich.
>Else how on earth can you be studying in the US when you are suppose to
>server your 3 years bond in Singapore?  Am I missing something here. 
>If my assumption is correct, you must have put up close to S$200K to have
>your bond defered.  You must be a rich guy then and should I then 
>conclude that your IQ wasn't that high either? 
>
>Just a thought and we remember you. Have you fill up your PIPS form yet?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now we see the real picture. BIG BROTHER is watching you!!!!!

As a reminder tansm or whatever, I do not particularly like your use of
Internet to openly threaten an individual, rich, poor, grad or
otherwise. If Chee Keong has not done his paperwork or whatever, GO
THROUGH OFFICIAL CHANNELS. This is not the place for you to exercise
your power or authority as a bureacrat. *THIS IS NOT SINGAPORE!*

Get a life bud!


SC Lam - slam@eve.wright.edu
From: amir@bigbird.bu.edu (Amir Samad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Use of 'negro'  (Re: Azizam - Oppressors and the Oppressed)
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:26:48 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <2367@news.duke.edu>, jit@slic.cellbio.duke.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Apr13.195700.29943@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
|> >In article <9204131043.AA10681@nettlerash.berkeley.edu>
|> >LAW40001@NUSVM.NUS.SG (Tay Edward Stanley) writes: 
|> >
|> >>Azizam says that the oppressed may fight but they will not win ... I
|> >>will forever cherish this date: 9th August 1965.  Please do not treat
|> >>this as a flame for any country or any race.  Skunks like Azizam will
|> >>always exist ... be they Malay, Chinese, Indian, Caucasian, Negro etc
|> >...                                                         ^^^^^^^
|> 
|> Is this more insulting, or
|> 
|> >
|> >	You just insulted the whole African-American people with that
|> >remark.  While you are at it, why don't you just call them N*g&%r?
|> 
|> *YOUR* suggestion to call them N*g&%r,  
|> 
|> (what's your ulterior motive ? Trying to create another racial war ?)
|> 
|> >
|> >===------ 
|> >NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
|> >The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
|> >promised to take our land and they took it.
|> >                                                        Red Cloud
|> 
|> or this signature to other race ?

I don't think Tay was trying to insult African Americans. Note that he is
posting from Singapore. I would say that quite a few people from that part
of world are ignorant of the fact that 'negro' is not politically correct.

|> 
|> Gee, I didn't know you are that sensitive.
|> 
[stuff deleted]
|> 
|> I think Darkie Toothpaste is no longer produced because someone
|> protested to its parent company Monsanto located in St. Louis, MO.

Darkie is still being produced in Malaysia under it's new politically
correct name of Darlie. I was quite amused when my roommate from Malaysia
was using it.

Amir Samad
Boston University
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 23:01:54 MST
From: C. K. Ng <ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....

In article <1992Apr6.144124.17239@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor
Aazizam Mohd Aasif) says:
>
>        To all you people who are taken in by the propaganda of
>certain Western countries regarding our logging, my reply to you is:
>go fuck yourself.  Read what our Prime Minister said regarding our
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  If this is our "harapan bangsa dan negara" or even our "cerdikiawan"
who is supposed to lead Malaysia in the future, I guess it leaves a
lot of room for improvement in our selection process on whom to send
overseas for big bucks education.  Do you know that you had just
committed a (prospective) political suicide?  Let's say one day you are
running for a MP, a position well within your reach with your MIT's
education.  Do you know that your opponent can use this in a negative
campaign against you?  Unless you are telling me that the people of
Malaysia would appreciate your uncontrolled flame of temperament as
a politically desired virtue, especially among the Malays community.
But, it's my impression that the Malays community doesn't like someone
who is too arrogant and vulgar.  To me, the Malays are humble people
in general, at least those in my kampong.  I always HAD the impression
that the Chinese were more vulgar than the Malays, but you just proved
me wrong.  Worst of all, you're classified as a highly educated Malay!
I always think that only the "putera dan puteri negara" who are
carefully selected, and who show both academic ability as well as
ability to carry themselves very well in terms of personality, would
be able to at least use the right language at the right time.
However, I'm extremely disappointed for two reasons:  (i) the
selection process fail to detect the other side of you, and; (ii)
your years of Ivy League education has gone into the drains together
with Malaysian taxpayers' money.

  InsyaAllah, may you be changed into a better person in the future.

Sincerely,
   Chee-Keong Ng, Ph.D.
   Without fear and partiality
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: fhchua@athena.mit.edu (Fei Hai Chua)
Subject: Re: Zam Again!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:02:40 GMT

>	There are some misunderstandings here.  Kelab UMNO Boston is
>not a political group, but rather a social one.  Every normal Malay
>student would be a part of it; even students who live in Worcester and
>have to drive an hour each way make it to the meeting almost every
>time (not to mention the free food).  It is a social group that almost
>all Malay students in Boston become a part of..........

>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

Hey Zam, I guess I understand what you meant here. Suppose that I stick
with your words, may I then assume the following implications you made?

1) "Every normal Malaysian student would be a part of" MIT's Malaysian
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Students Association. ==> So are you, and you should then take part in
MASA "social" activities.
      ^^^^^^
2) You do not live far away from MIT, do you? Well, I assume that:

    dist(Zam - MIT) < dist(students who live in Worcester - BU)
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
==> no traffic problem right?

3) We have free food too! Our fellow Malay Malaysians attending MIT MASA
           ^^^^^^^^^
social events like the food so very much! ==> come eat!!!

4) MASA is a social group that almost all Malaysian students at MIT
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
become a part of. ==> I suppose you are still a Malaysian?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If all these sound logical to you, I sincerely invite you to join MASA
social events. If I remember correctly, I had only seen you once in
Thanks Giving dinner buffet last year. (And you were gone 15+ ?? min
after we started eating, yummy....)

Come join us Zam, if you do mean what you said.

-Fei
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