HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sooner Rather Than Later (was Re: WARNING)
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:34:21 GMT
Reply-To: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: the-temple.east.sun.com

Jess wrote:

	Is Donald's anger not fully justified?  Is not our anger
	over homophobia fully justified?  I do not exactly love my
	oppressors, so why should Donald?  And what's the big
	difference between straight liberals who say to us: "you
	should mute your anger, because *I*'m not your enemy," and
	white liberals who say the analogous thing to Donald?

No, I do not think so.  My concern with your logic is where does one draw
the line?  Violence, for example?  Anger is not always justified and the
way it is expressed is not always justified.  As for the liberals, many
straight ones and many white ones (and many xxx ones) are actually not the
enemy.  I don't see your point.  Fighting the system and fighting unjustice
is not the same thing as fighting everyone under category xxx.

Jess goes on to speak about "the system".  I would certainly like to talk about that
with him, but I won't try to do it online.  Too drawn out and difficult to
express without explanations that may not carry over the network lines.

>The assumption, therefore, that people here are against him
>from the outset is --according to the clear evidence of
>Donald's senses -- not off-base, or not far off, at best.

What?!?  I cannot agree with this at all.  Assuming the worst of people will
tend to deliver just that.  Don't we all deserve a chance to show who we are
before being labeled?  Isn't that much of what Donald (and indeed all of us) is
seeking?

>Doesn't sound like a chip on the shoulder, to me.  I expect
>most men to be sexist.  I expect most straight people to
>be homophobic.  Expecting most white people to be racist
>strikes me as common sense.  And I too am surprised when
>my default assumptions turn out to be unwarranted, and am
>glad to say this is not entirely rare.

Expect is one thing.  Yes, the odds are there.  But assuming and acting and
treating people as such and expecting are two different things.  People still
deserve the chance to show who they are before being pre-judged.

Howard


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From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 17:08:04 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1bejd4INNmi@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 26085@reed.edu, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>>I think the proper response to any sentence containing "Jason
>>Priestley" is
>>"Jason Priestley? SQUEEEAL!" followed by much running around, wringing
>>of hands, and general excitement.
>My response is more like:
>Jason Priestly.  Why?  Yuch!
>Howard
 Well come now Howard (that's cum NOW Howard)
JP's not all bad.  Granted, 95% not my type, but give him a couple of
years and maybe he'll be more mature.  


NAHHHHHHHH!


Flapjack
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 92 19:09:44 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct6.180650.810@hemlock.cray.com> <BvspML.Gz5@unix.amherst.edu>
  <1992Oct8.215443.28817@tcsi.com>

Chuck Meares gets panicky about his birthday and other famous
dates in history:

>In article <BvspML.Gz5@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce
)
> writes:
>>In article <1992Oct6.180650.810@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com (Steven Lev
i
>ne) writes:
>>
>>>Just this week Tim Pierce has told us that he will
>>>be 22 on November 11.
>>
>>12.
>>
>>>Was the entire astrology
>>>thread an attempt to get us to buy birthday presents
>>>for each other?
>>
>>Buy?  Oh, no, no, noooooo ... the best gift is that given from the
>>heart, although the "heart" is probably not the organ I'd pick were I
>>to rewrite that myself. :-)
>>
>>>-Steven Levine (and you all just missed mine)
>>
>>What you get for not telling us, bitch. <snap>
>>
>Well, far be it for me to ever allow myself to be called 'bitch' for something
>as simple as not making a world wide announcement of upcoming birthdays:
>
>I'll be turning 29 on Sat. Oct 17th.
>
>People living in the bay area will recognize this date, and not fondly.  I mea
n
>have YOU ever tried to share birthdays with the last major earthquake?  And to
>top it off last year they burned down the Oakland hills (Oct 19th) to celebrat
e
>my birth.  Really, I can't wait to see how the bay area celebrates my birthday
>this year  :)
>
>Chuck

Hmmm.  Since the events are skipping two days each time, it looks like
this year it's my turn!

I can just see the headline:

October 21st, 1992.  San Francisco EXPLODES!

Police are investigating the connection to Frank Swilling's birthday.
He's 42 today, wherever he is.

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Subject: Re: More trivialization of red ribbons
Reply-To: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com
Organization: not very organized
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:35:31 GMT

Barbara Bush had on a ribbon when she was seated before the beginning
of the debate on Sunday night.  After she sat down, the camera was
still on her and she looked at her ribbon like if she was checking if
it was in place.  I didn't notice later if it was still there since
she is known for the "great disappearing ribbon act" of the RNC.

This was on C-Span that we got to see her being seated.
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Restaurants in SF
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 18:19:14 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct12.215802.15382@ads.com> <1992Oct13.192547.3430@quantime.co.uk>

The non-smokers start a whisper campaign:

>In article <1992Oct12.215802.15382@ads.com>,
>henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) wrote:
>> ->Mifune - This noodle shop in Japan center is rather good.  The service
>> ->is quick, the food is filling and the price is right.  A good place to
>> ->go before catching a movie at the Kabuki.

We go *after* catching a movie at the Kabuki.  No wonder we never see
you there.  ;-)

>> also: *totally* non-smoking restaurant ...

>Sounds just like Wagamama.
-
>Roger Phillips

Cafe For All Seasons is also completely non-smoking.  Ahhh, suck in all
those wonderful aromas.  Yum!

By the way, Kushi Tsuru, right next door to Mifune, also has very good
food and doesn't usually have lines as long as Mifune's.  Unfortunately,
people are allowed to smoke there.  (Maybe that's why the lines are
shorter.)

Also, if anyone is actually keeping a list of restaurants they'd like
to try from this discussion (*I* certainly am!), an addendum:

In my first list, I mentioned a place on Fillmore that I called "Trattoria".
Well, it *is* a trattoria/Italian deli, but its proper name is:

Vivande, at 2125 Fillmore.  It's only open for lunch, though, 11:30 - 4:00
daily.

More restaurants I love:

The Emerald Garden - Just a few doors down from the Lumiere theatre off
of Polk Street.  Vietnamese cooking in what used to be an ALLEY, so the
place is just a tad crowded.  Spicy and can be expensive with some of
the more exotic specials.

Greens - I'm not a vegetarian, but Greens makes a good case for it.
Fabulous salads and breads, and a wonderful variety of flavorful
vegetarian dishes.  Expensive, dressy, and reservations days in advance
are required.

Thep Phanom - At Waller and Fillmore.  Bad neighborhood, next to impossible
to find parking, but terrific Thai cooking.

Ya Ya - Mesopotamian (Middle Eastern) cooking, on 9th Avenue off of
Irving.  Yuppie-ish, not a lot of variety, but whatever they put on
the menu is delicious, and I like the way they've done up the place.

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What adjectives do you think best describe romantic jealous
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 10:22:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <67503@cup.portal.com> <1992Oct11.020819.25795@macc.wisc.edu>

Jess Anderson writes:
>(George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>I suspect it has
>>to do with my rather utilitarian approach to food.
>   
>You're a Capricorn, maybe? 

Nope.  And as I said before when the subject of astrology came
up, I don't believe in it a bit.  But then, I'm an Aquarius,
and Aquarians don't believe in astrology.  ;-{)##]

>>() How many people speak the same language even when they
>>() speak the same language?
>>()      -- Russell Hoban
>
>Most excellent quote!
><snarfing noises in the background>

Um... I believe I got this from you in the first place....

 
() All historical events occur twice: once as tragedy, the
() second time as farce.
()      -- Karl Marx
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bob Roberts (was: Quayle Campaign Stroll Disrupted in SF)
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:33:50 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Roger Phillips (roger@quantime.co.uk) wrote:
 
> [previously he asked:]
>
> > Has (bother, is it Tim or Tom?) Collins' film, _Bob Roberts_ ...
>                             ^^^   ^^^^^^^
> It must have been - <hic> - too early in the morning.

Sorry I wasn't paying more attention, 
but at least you were able to remember
the name of my favorite highball...

...on second thought,

> Oh hell, pour me another one a them John Thomases.

I'll have what he's having.

Make mine a double.

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:26:59 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1992Oct14.071838.3842@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
wrote:

> Not to be an iconoclast, but I thought that was Saint Veronica.

Not to be an iconoclast, but I liked 'icono*blast*' better...

Melmothra, ACC
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Icons and Iconography (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:39:05 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) makes a useful distinction
(well, more than one, actually, but I'll do only one here):
 >Madonna sums up, if not the whole, then a major fraction
 >of the sentient experience of what *is*, for those as yet
 >too young to know a generational change *first-hand*.

 >The power of an icon is less what *it* is than what *we* are
 >in terms of that icon.

Now this reminds me of a family event of the type that siblings tend
to giggle over.  My sister has three young children.  When I speak
to her on the phone, the kids like to get into the act, one way or
another.  On this particular occasion, my sister had phoned me while
I was entertaining an old friend who bears the most distinguished
name of Michaelangelo.  So, by way of excusing myself from the
conversation with my sister, I said, "I'd better go; Michaelangelo
is here."  And then, since it seemed fitting, I added, "We're going
to paint the ceiling."  My sister, distracted by the conversation,
had almost started to react before she picked it up.  Then she
started laughing.  My niece, then about seven, wanted to know what
was so funny.  My sister said "Your mommy was really slow on the
uptake, but I don't think you'd get the joke because you don't know
who Michaelangelo is."  "Of course I do," my niece said indignantly.
"He's the red guy in Ninja Turtles."  (She was immediately corrected
by her younger brother, by the way.)

For the record, that was the first I knew anything about the
characters' names.

ObMotss:  Michaelangelo is family.  


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: M A D O N N A
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:53:21 GMT

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>making their $$$ off her...  But somehow I just don't see people
>raving over "Who's that Girl?" or "Dick TRacy" in comparison to,
>oh, "Some Like it Hot.", 10, 15, 20 years from now (or even now).

Noone says she can act.

>	OK well then music maybe - but even then, we have legends
>going back 20-30 years in rock now - I just can't see people going
>gaga over the material girl in 2010AD.  

(I've often heard this kind of thing said about modern music forms;
'Is anyone going to be listening to this noise 20 years from now?'
Well, duh. Sinatra hasn't disappeared; neither have the Beatles or
the Rolling Stones or the motherfucking Eagles. It's just fear of
change that makes people say shit like that. It's not what *I*
listened to; how *can* it be good?)

>(As opposed to Tina Turner,
>Cher, Aretha Franklin , etc. who have been performing since the 60's.)

Fuck that noise. You seem to think everyone still likes TT & Cher &
Aretha, but that's just nostalgia talking. Most young people could
care less about them (except maybe Cher, because she's doing the
Madonna thing). And you can betcher ass *I'll* be nostalgic about
Madonna 20 years from now (not that she's not halfway there already;
She's been pretty consistently hot for *10* *years*. Does that not
mean anything?).

People probly had these same conversations about the Beatles or about
Marilyn Monroe too back when the youths loved them and the adults
just couldn't understand. Let's just wait and see and quit wasting
our breaths, shall we?

--
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			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
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From: bbeer@milton.u.washington.edu (Bob Beer)
Subject: Re: Fear of Success (was Re: Oregon poll)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:17:08 GMT

In article <GANDALF.92Oct12114717@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu> gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell) writes:
>One thing that I find continually amazing is that I have heard virtually
>nothing about the problems in Oregon in the local media. (I read the Boston
>Globe every weekday and watch both local tv news and cnn every evening.)
>
>I have been printing out and filing all of the articles here in soc.motss
>about the issue, and I'm about ready to summarize it all in a letter to the
>Boston Globe and demand to know why they haven't handled this issue.
>
>			Tom

I have noticed the same thing.  Aside from some mention of it on the Donahue
show, and a really well - written article in the New York Times, I have seen
very little about it in the national media.  The Seattle Times and other
local papers have covered it more, but I am constantly shocked when I talk
to friends in L.A., Chicago, and other cities who even now have never heard
of the OCA and have no idea what is going on in Oregon right now.  Phil Donahue
said "America is Watching" but....is it? Even gay friends in a lot of these
places seem unaware of it, which goes way beyond "shocking."  It is nothing
less than unexcusable. 

Don't be "about" to write to them, write to them!  Call them and demand that
the issue be covered.  The OCA has support from religious right money from
all over the country - we need to make sure we have our support.  I say we
because though I don't live in Oregon, what happens there affects all of us. 
Make sure people know.  Make sure your friends know, straight or gay.  And if
your friends don't know you are gay, make sure they know you are and that you
are at risk from people like these.  

Bob
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From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Subject: NYT magazine piece on lesbigays & politics
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:03:39 GMT
Keywords: wheat. chaff.



I keep waiting for somebody to mention it, but nobody has, so I will. The
cover story in this past Sunday's _New York Times_ magazine is about 
lesbigays and American politics. (Rod Williams, where are you?)

Large parts of this article are pretty silly, especially on the subject of
lesbians: did you know that lesbigays were by and large apolitical until
HIV disease? (I guess lesbian-feminism never happened.) And that lesbians 
are the big proponents of use of the word "queer"? (I know a fair number
of bisexual women who use the word queer, but relatively few lesbians.)

All these amazing "facts" aside, there were some interesting tidbits that 
made for worthwhile reading -- for example, some speculation about the 
part Californian lesbigays are playing in handing that state's electoral
votes to Clinton this year.

Speaking of which, I'm getting more optimistic that New Jersey may go the
same was as California. In my very own hyperconservative yuppoid suburban
town, I saw some guy driving around with a no-more-Bush sign taped to 
his Volvo's rear window.

Special note to Marty: Happy Birthday!!!

Special note to Mara & Marty: Happy New Abode!!!
-- 
				||| Polly Powledge
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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Paul Jabara
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:58:51 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Oct9.011155.26591@gordian.com>,
mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes, re Chuck Steak:
>   Gad, I've completely lost touch with him. He had an English accent
> though if that helps...

I find it usually does.
(Never could do a kiwi accent for toffee.)

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*trichologist* n. a name affected by hairdressers"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: By popular demand..
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:55:54 GMT

markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>
>In article <67809@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>
>>Then you'll never experience the warm glow that only the UVE can
>>produce in two (or more) individuals.
>>
>>[UVE - Ursine Velcro Effect]
>
>But George, one of the couple can shave and you can still have UVE.
>However, you run the risk of getting arrested if you have UVE in
>public, then.

If you're refering to Chest Hair (one of my favorite topics) just act 
like you're wrestling on the beach; strayt boyz get away with it all 
the time.  If you're refering to the Pubic Region (another fave...),
get in the water first; of course, the UVE is more of a Kelp Effect.
In private, UVE can be accomplished by applying any HBP of one 
participant to any HBP of any other participant.

[HBP - Hariy Body Part]

-jeff  [can the UVE generate enough heat to cause shedding?  I know 
        my SO looks a LOT furrier after a horizontal tango.]
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Anti-Intellectuals with Machine Guns
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:17:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Oct15.211726.25979
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <mattm-151092111920@mcmelmon.apple.com>
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>Bzzzt.  I am not paid to think. (there's one for you Quote file, Jez).

Nope, got a better one:

>I have, on occasion, been razed by friends for not going to Stanford.

But like the Hydra ...

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 20:37:20 GMT


In article <5448@rosie.NeXT.COM> ngervae@next.com (Nik
Gervae) writes:

I think one of the reason I like NeXT computers is the
place must be, um, well you know ...
:-)

>Dare I say?  Young Indiana Jones, the elder (Sean Patrick
>Flannery) is not too bad looking.

Have we hybridized O'Connors (or O'Conners?) with Connerys
here, I wonder?  Or does than wonderful man's name happen to
involve Flannery as well?

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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: My Bad Mouth
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:58:38 GMT

hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:

>In article <thaaang.719207099@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>
>>John, wondering he's going to do write some kind of big, sappy thank-
>>you thing 
>>
>   Ask Dad for help.  (The one in Maryland.)

(Maryland? Lessee, there's California, France, Boston, and... Wash-
ington, I think... Maryland? Yeep...)

Oh, dear! I've got another one? This could very well descend into
silliness.

--
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			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: To all who would call my name...
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:36:36 GMT

I think mail's been down for a few days before today (maybe for as long
as since the 9th), so if you sent something to me between the 10th and
today and didn't get a reply, send it again! (If you sent something to
me before then and haven't gotten a response yet, I plead the fifth.
I'm *swamped*, I tell you, *swamped*!)

John, wondering if it wasn't just his breath

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			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Elton John donating all royalties?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:07:06 GMT

mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:

>Oops, bad Mike!  
>(Sounds of wrist being slapped)
>Shouldn't talk about your city's token Gay celebrity in that way!
>At least if you don't want to include the rumored B. Brown and
>W. Houston :-)

Just heard Bobby Brown's latest single. Yick. Are we *sure* he's queer?
I thought it was impossible for a queer person to be such a pig. I
assumed he was just *paid* a lot to marry Whitney... all that talk
about 'and if it's not good enough, I'll just keep pumpin' and
pumpin''... Oh, Whitney! Of all the beards...

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!