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From: priss@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Lisa)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: STTNG clip on Entertainment Tonight
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:47:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.priss.715834059
Organization: University of Washington

In <1992Sep6.161707.28306@sfu.ca> akostur@fraser.sfu.ca (Andre John Kostur) writes:

>In article <lag8tvINNsap@aludra.usc.edu> efranqui@aludra.usc.edu (Eduardo Franqui) writes:
>>shown of the show.  To me they were clips I had never seen before.  They 
>>included the Enterprise being enveloped by a green beam originating from the
>>planet below.  However the most striking scene was Riker talking to Data's 

I think your television's color is a bit off.  If you look closer, it is a blue beam from when the "Time Traveller" came around to observe the "past" of the U.S.S. Enterprise trying to save the planet.

>>HEAD.  That's right, seperated from the body and hooked up to the E's computer.
>>The head was placed on the table, and yes the eyes were moving and so was the
>>mouth.  Did anyone else see it, perhaps and most probably it is part two to the
>>season ender.

And the head was in "disaster".  Probably you didn't watch all the episodes or missed those crucial parts of the story. :)
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: ramblings
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:25:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.200802.8495@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>
>>"The Offspring", "Sarek" and "Tin Man" all missed entirely with me; nice try,
>>but no thanks.  This isn't soap opera, y'know.  
>
>Oh.  Right.  Yeah, and that "Journey to Babel" thing; I mean, how much more
>soap-opera-ish can you *get* than having one of the main characters try to 
>reconcile with an estranged father?  Yeesh.

I have to admit, Tim, that "Journey" was involving in that I was very
interested in the conflict between Spock and Sarek.  Watching the
emotionless Spock come to terms with the fact that he actually did have
"feelings" for his father was good drama and a good secondary plot to
the main "saboteur" thread.  

The TNG equivalent that comes most readily to mind is "The Icarus
Factor", a show with a cool title, but with very little substance to
reccomend it.  In fact, it was downright boring, capital "B".  It's one
of those episodes that when it appears, I switch the TV off.

My point is that while Michael is generalizing, I agree with him in one
respect.  TNG often does seem like a "soap in space".  Off the top of my
head?  New Ground, CoL (ugh, it even pains me to type the initials),
Hero Worship, the one where Data gets a girlfriend, most of "Booby Trap"
(Geordi gets a girl, even if she is artificial), and the dreaded
follow-up, Galaxy's Child (Geordi comes to terms with his failure in
getting the girl for real).                        

I guess what I'm trying to say is that "Journey" is a classic example of
how to write a _good_ character interaction story that contains elements
of the soaps, while TNG seems to have failed more often than not with
these types of plot lines.  The grand exception to this rule are stories
that center around Picard.





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From: ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace)
Subject: Re: Spock: naked Time
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:19:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.145203.3763@mr.med.ge.com> bartlone@gemed.ge.com (Mike Bartolone 5-4266) writes:
>techy@iastate.edu (Troy A Rutter) queries...
>
>>When Spock was doing his "im in control of my emotions".. speech in 
>>The Naked Time, has it ever been said to what was he referrig to when
>>he exclaimed... "2...4...6...6 times."  At first i thought he was 
>>counting to get back into the logic mode.. but 6 times...  6 times
>>for what???  Seeing how Vulcans age slowly... if spock was 54 at
>>the time.. it would be hes done it six times.. as in Pon Farr thing...  (i
>>forget if it was 7 or 9 years..)  Anyway.. six what?? :D
>>
>>Yet another question from the technobabblonian. 
>
>I think you were right the first time..I think he was trying to use math
>to retain his logic, and only being partly effective. I believe, from
>the inflection of the statement he was saying..2..4..6..6 times.. and if
>he had finished the statement it would have been 6 times 6 or 6 times (x)
>fill in your favorite number...just a guess...or should I say IMO...

	He would have surely said "6 times 9 equals 42"... ;-)  (Actually,
I always thought he was talking about the 6 people that died on the planet,
like Joe WhateverHisNameWas...  But, I have no idea.)

||======================================================================||
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||    AKA: Agrajag   ||     CS major    ||  or, maybe: ras@nic.unh.edu  ||
||======================================================================||
"Just as Einstein observed that space was not an absolute but depended
 on the observer's movement in space, and that time was not an absolute,
 but depended on the observer's movement in time, so it is now realized
 that numbers are not absolute, but depend on the observer's movement in
 restaurants." - Life, the Universe and Everything

Gene Roddenberry: 1921-1991.  You will be missed.
May your dream "Live long and prosper".

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From: dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG : Vendetta... re-run or new episode?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Geochemical & Environmental Research Group, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:10:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.132157.2285@wkuvx1.bitnet>, barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes...
}In article <1992Sep10.134646.14875@walter.bellcore.com>, semele@clintsalt
}   (Semele Halkedis) writes:
}>>Is Vendetta a re-run, or is this a new episode scheduled for the upcoming
}>>season?  
}> Vendetta is a book.  The name of the author escapes me at the moment.
} 
}I believe the author is Peter David (could be wrong).

Nope. You believe correctly. Ol' PAD -- writer extraordinaire of comics and
fiction (and, one would hope, eventually screen -- small -- as in STTNG or
STDSN) is the author of Vendetta. A great book, which not only is a strong
TNG book but also has plenty of ties to TOS. I've yet to get Imzadi, but it's
on my list.
PAD is one of those writers who has such an imaginative fertile mind that you
could harvest corn -- wait, that doesn't quite sound right -- you could grow
corn in the space between his ears -- nope, that's not it either -- er, well,
he's a damn fine writer. There, that's a bit more appropriate.

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From: sundaram@cps.msu.edu (Divya Sundaram)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: What is DS9 and B5?
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:32:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
Originator: sundaram@arctic.cps.msu.edu

OK, So I have been living in a cave - awright, a barn then. But I have not 
the FOGGIEST idea what B5 is. I know that DS9 is Deep Space Nine. Now,
exactly what are these two and how did they evolve?

Please, somebody help me! I need to know -else I will be ass-imilated ! 8->

Later y'all

Divya
(sundaram@cps.msu.edu)
From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST:TNG & homosexuality
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:57:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <68117@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK) writes:
>
>	"The Outcast" went about as far as TNG needs to go in dealing with
>our modern problems with homosexuality.  It's always disturbed me to see
>the current writers use TNG as a facade for their 20th century liberal
>"soapboxing".  

In case you weren't aware of it, that is what Star Trek has *always* done,
present our *present* absurdities in a fictional setting removed from us
by space and time in order to afford us the opportunity to examine them
in a nonconfrontational manner.

It seems quite rational that the reason we are spared    
>from seeing homosexuals within the ranks of Starfleet is that by the 
>24th century that particular illness will be cured.  The operative word 
>there is "illness", and that is, BTW, what we're dealing with.  Whether
>it's the result of one's emotional environment or some undiscovered
>physiological factor has yet to be determined.  When the cause is found,
>however, a cure will be forthcoming and homosexuality will become a thing
>of the past.
>
>Sean

It's always refreshing to find someone who *knows* beyond a shadow of
a doubt what *is* an illness.  NOT!

I hope that *someday* there will be a cure for stupidity!

Marg
From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: "Der Ueberlaeufer"
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:08:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Shacha Star-Trek-Fans!

Sorry, I don't know the original titel yet, but I just saw that episode
on the German TV. (Is it possible, the "introduction" has been changed
or did I just miss it before?) It was an episode, I saw for the first
time, many others I could watch with friends some time ago in original.
But I think ... it was one of those, I shall remember!

It is the one about the Romuland Admiral coming to the Federation to
prevent a new war. And they do not really trust him (and why should they).
He's the big looser in this.
It strongly reminded me of "Balance of Terror", where the Romulan Commander
is tired of fighting ... And I believe, in o-text, it's even better, because
the translations are sometimes a joke, and sometimes - one better takes them
as a joke, because otherwise one had to become =angry=. At the moment, I have
to take the German broadcasting (on Friday at 16:05, another nice joke),
because I have no access to originals anymore (or perhaps not yet ... grin,
I'm working on it, Star Trek in German usually is punishment for me).

When the music came ... I was really in the story, I even forgot to open
the next cigarette box (and those, who know me, know I'm a heavy smoker),
I noticed it just now! And then this music!

Oyori - Sem [dreamingly in Northern Germany]
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From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: STNG sucks!!!
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:52:32 GMT


Let's nip this one in the bud, shall we?

"Preparing Kill File, Captain..."

"Lieutenant, that won't do us any good.  They'll just keep changing the title
 of the posts so that everyone has to read these stupid flamewars..."

"Captain!  Flamewar posts at twelve o'clock!!!"

"Shields!  SHIELDS!!!!"


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From: dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Your Conscience)
Subject: Star Trek episodes needed
Summary: I missed two episodes and would like to copy someone's tapes...
Keywords: Ok, so call me a fool...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: cmh
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:05:23 GMT

Hello, I generally record all the episodes of Star Trek TNG, but this last
season I foolishly managed to miss two of them. The episodes I am in search of
are "I BORG" and the other is, maybe, called "MUTINEERS"? - it is the episode
where members of the crew get taken over by ghosts I think...

I was hoping some kind soul would let me copy these two episodes from their
tapes. In return I would be more than welcome to copy a couple of the new (or
old) episodes for you!

Please respond via e-mail because I do not frequent any of these newsgroups.

Thank You!
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From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Really, really bad TNG
Date: 8 Sep 1992 04:16:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep7.200802.8495@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu
(Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>Here I agree.  Really, really bad TNG can be well beyond unpleasant.
Well then, what would you strongly NOT recommend, besides "Cost of Living".
From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Prime Directive
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 08:53:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Shacha Joshua!

[jb] 'The Preservers' is the term... I was picturing the TOS episode
     where they encounter a small group of beings who have human
     forms, and Kirk discusses the theory with them... they offered
     the theory of parallel evolution.
I've heard about that theory, and basically (at least) I agree, because
it seems to make sense. But could you tell me a bit more about the lifeforms
or the episode you're referring to? We mean the same thing, so much seems
to be clear.

[jb] Taking something with a grain of salt means to accept it with the
     knowledge thats there's no garuntee that its true. I tend to warp
     idioms, which must play hell with attempts at transculture
     communication. :)
Oh, don't worry too much! I got the meaning (it couldn't possibly mean much
else, grin), and we all can ask, if there is something like this? But just
why isn't this in my dictionary? (Not too old!) Grin.

[jb] I'd accept bipedal creatures decended from pseudo-primates, but
     not ones capable of interbreeding with humans, 50's B SciFi
     movies notwithstanding.
I agree - but that's one of the minor points, as I see it. If someone
can be constructed, there's the slight possibility of this happening on
itself. Okay, "help structure", but that was not the issue here.

[jb] about some resistances
I still have my question open, why the conqueres were not erased by the
native diseases!

[jb] On a semi-related, Robert Bakker, noted Paleantologist offers
     this as one explanation for the extinction of the dinosaurs
Here I agree with you, but this tends to become totally off topic, grin.

[jb] No, but this is prolly one of the reasons why the Federation is
     rather paranoid about such things.
As far as I can explain what I've seen in the series: I agree! And then
- imagine that - they come and accuse one of violoation of the PD.

[jb] Agreed! I kick the nearest conquestador whenever I think of the
     cultures lost (fortunately, they tend to be rare.)
Let me assist you ...

Oyori - Sem [from Northern Germany]
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Mutiny on the Holodeck
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:30:28 GMT

In article <jverho80.715918866@ursa> jverho80@ursa.calvin.edu (Jeff Verhoef)  
writes:

(stuff deleted)

> Given the fact that the 
> holodeck replicates matter, and in theory can replicate actual 
> instrumentation that works (I'm using the events in "A Matter of Perspective"
> as a reference), would it be possible for a mutinous crewmember to use 
> the bridge on the holodeck to take over the ship?

Yes, I think it would be possible.  Remember the episode with LaForge and
the women who he recreated on the Holodeck to help him with an engineering
problem?  Well, didn't he say something like "Transfer con controls to
the holodeck."?  Since the entire Enterprise is interlinked, then a person
should theoretically be able to control the ship from anywhere, even a
bathroom, so long as he knows how to do it and has the proper authorization.
Thus, it would theoretically be possible for a mutiny in a holodeck.
However, it would only be possible if bridge controls were transfered to
the holodeck, which, I think, can only be authorized by the captain.

--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

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From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Subject: Re: What are we going to do with Alexander?
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 22:58:11 GMT

steven.k.manfred@UWRF.EDU writes:

>	Introduce another semi-regular character (we'll have a gap in
>that department when O'Brien and Keiko leave to DS9), female, to act as
>a new love interest for Worf.  They will get along *VERY* well, and
>the thing with Alexander is him having to deal with his "stepmom" and
>Worf's seeming replacement of K'Ehylar with this new woman.

Great idea!! Maybe they could even make it another spin-off...

"The Courtship of Alexander's Father"

(D'ya s'pose Harry Nilson would be available to sing the theme-song?)

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}

PS. I-)		I-)		I-)		I-)
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Ratings
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:42:54 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <N2woqB1w165w@wuntvor.norman.ok.us> shawn@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (Rivas J'Kara) writes:
<Hey, I just saw that star trek was #4 in the ratings this week and thought 
<that was great considering their reurns are running up against new Oprah's 
<new shows, etc.  I've heard that during new episodes, ST is ranked #1 now. 

We'll see.  When the new season starts, a few weeks after that the ratings
will show up and I will post them, as usual.
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: TNG script guidelines (was Re: horse's stardates)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:21:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.175813.736@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>>
>
>Could it be that the BBC gets outside so much more frequently is that
>they shoot all of their footage on videotape?  Seems like it's probably
>a lot cheaper to find a guy with a professional camcorder on his
>shoulder, than to hire a crew equipped with a skycrane and a Panaflex
>unit.
>

Could be, but they only started doing that on "Who" in the 1986 season
"The Trial of a Time Lord."  Up until then it was  a mixture of film
(for location work) and video (for studio).  The picture quality does
change between the two and you can tell, but you get used to it pretty
quick, and it stops irking one rather quickly.

Another thing about Outside Broadcast video...I think it makes the special
effects better-looking than on film, at least the ones generated by
computers or by Quantel-Paintbox.
I think the reason is that the manipulation of images done by such
devices must be done in a video format.  When these images are
transferred onto film, no matter how carefully it's done, I can still tell
a contrast difference between the effect and the film images around
it.  Hand phaser shots show this up most, I feel.

Now with the last four seasons of "Doctor Who," *everything* was done
on videotape (except for space-modelwork shots), and the BBC technicians
were rapidly getting the hang of the new Quantel-Paintbox they had at
their disposal:  the result: special effects that looked pretty good
for the first time ever in "Doctor Who" in the 1986 season.
Over the next three years, they *REALLY* started getting good, and I 
personally think that some of the Dalek laser effects seen in "Remembrance
of the Daleks" (1988) and certainly the alien cloud formations seen
in "Survival" (1989) are actually better than most of the stuff I've
seen on TNG.  And the reason is the effects are generated by video
techniques and incorporated directly into another video image.
No contrast changes at all.  The action looks more like "real life"
and the effects look like they're "actually there."  (Or at least
they did the first 12 times I watched them, now I can start to see the
seams.)

Sorry to go on and on about another show, but it was for comparison
purposes....
From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: STNG sucks!!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:42:48 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

In article <18lj3gINNqu@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>In article <BuBM6z.LxJ@cs.dal.ca> ian@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ian Littlewood) writes:
>}Both Q and the Borg are child's play compared to the Organians, Trelane
>}or V'ger.
>
>Q's more powerful than the Organians.  Q even said he was omnipotent.

And you actually *beleive* him? ;-) ;-) ;-)

-- 
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 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: how can you read the starlog date?
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 22:28:29 EDT
Organization: Berry Communications

edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:

> In article <yZ67PB4w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) w
> 
> >2. 15 years passed between "Space Seed" and "The Wrath of Khan".  (Kirk
> >   says so.)
> >
> 
> Kirk and Khan have never been the most reliable of sources ;-)
> Paramount says TWoK takes place in 2285, or 19-20 years later then
> Space Seed.  Not a big difference.

Just to satisfy my curiousity, when or where did Paramount say that?

> >3. "Journey to Babel" and "Space Seed" are both first-season episodes,
> >   so we can be pretty sure that they're separated by, at most, a few
> >   months.
> 
> Actually, "Space Seed" was a first season episode (#24), and "Journey to
> Babel" is a second season episode (#44)

Oops.  That's what I get for relying on memory.

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