From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Why Do We Have Separate Restrooms? (WAS Re: Gays, the military...)
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:00:53 GMT
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.

In article <106070@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
    >Contrary to what you believe, I don't think most men would
    >give a shit whether there were gay men in the showers with
    >them. Perhaps it is just a projection of your own illogic
    >that you think this is some vastly held prejudice.

As there are not any polls that I am aware of (on this subject), then I must
ask one objective question:

Why then have those professional male athletes (that are homosexual):
  1. Entered their professional sports profession.
  2. THEN announced their homosexuality
  3. Then complained about unease and a marked difference in treatment
     in that very locker room setting?

In short, you can't have it both ways. Either people ARE uncomfortable on
issues like this (the hysterical "homophobia" name calling), or they aren't
uncomfortable on this issues and DON'T treat homosexuals any different.

Now, are you going to eat that cake or just save it?


    >>What if we just made the military facilities unisex? The
    >>typical showeroom is now male/female. No cubicles, no
    >>privacy, just all in one. Do you think women and men in the
    >>military would like that?
    >>
    >You shouldn't force it, like I said.

Why not -- are you not calling for such "irrational fears" to be ignored?

    >>Homosexuality is a sexual context -- ask any straight man
    >>that has walked into a homosexual bar without knowing it --
    >>and most men do NOT want to be part of that sexual context.
    >>
    >I don't think that "most" is accurate, unless you're talking
    >about teens and men in their early twenties, who (surprise,
    >surprise) are also the demographic groups who bash gay men
    >the most frequently.

Oh? I'm not aware of ANY straight men that are "bar goers" that frequent
homosexual bars.

    >I think that anyone who is secure in their sexual orientation
    >doesn't mind being around others of differing orientations.
    >If you're right, it's very sad that so many people are so
    >insecure.

Oh? Gee, I guess I must be insecure about cigarette smokers and NAZIs --
because I do mind a lot about being around them ...

Perhapp>?fs you are unqilling to face the fact that many if not most people
who do not associate with homosexuals chose to do so because they don't
like homosexuals or some aspect thereof?


    >It's even more the pity that many men don't pick up a more
    >female socialization until late in their lives.

What's does this mean??? More men should become "Alan Alda Wonder Wimps"?

    >Just ask young women about their views on
    >homosexuality---they are significantly more likely to respond
    >with positive characterizations than young men are.

Just ask lesbians about male homosexuals -- the most virulent of anti-male
homosexuals I've ever heard were lesbians. It still cracks me up. (Of course,
I'm talking about the non-intellectualoid lesbians -- those that feel no
need to hew to a politically correct line).


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