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From: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Rams
Reply-To: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 23:07:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.202618.17714@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, wine@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (edward.j.winemiller) writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.194508.28180@beaver.cs.washington.edu> wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov23.015411.11074@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>>>The Rams came out and tried to pick on Eric Davis deep. All three attempts
>>>failed, although one of them resulted in a chintzy "illegal contact" call
>>>against Davis. 
>>
>>Well, maybe, but the refs were pretty kind to our Niners overall, so I'm
>>not complaining.
>>
>>>The only play on which the
>>>secondary was exposed was on the TD pass to Ellard, on which Hall played
>>>like a rookie (well, he *IS* a rookie!).
>>
>>I don't think he's playing like a rookie.  I think he's playing like
>>a Freshman.  Pretty disappointing, so far.  It's been a tough season
>>for the Dawgs.
>         ^^^^^
>  
>	Dawgs? What Dawgs are you speaking of? The only Dawgs I know of are
>those Dawgs from Cleveland!

Huskies, maybe?

As a Stanford alumnus, though, I'd like to congratulate the Huskies; after
all, they *DID* manage to tie Stanford for the PAC-10 title, didn't they :-).

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: FINAL SCORES!  ALL OF THEM!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:57:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.211740.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>In lieu of JP Gloria, here are the final scores for today.  Interpret
>the abbreviations as you wish.
>
>% Sun, Nov 15
>%	10am
>	Cin @ NYJ 14 17
>	Det @ Pitt 14 17
>	Hou @ Minn 17 13
>	NE @ Ind 37 34 (ot)
>	Phil @ GB 24 27
>	Phx @ Atl 17 20
>	SD @ Clev 14 13
>	Wash @ KC 16 35
>
>%	1pm
>	Chi @ TB 17 20
>	NO @ SF 20 21
>	Rams @ Dal 27 23
>	Sea @ Rdrs 3 20
>
>%	5pm
>	NYG @ Den 13 27
>
>-- 
>Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
>f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."
>
>"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
>	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
>"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
>	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's

BTW: our machine that goes out to the world was down over the
weekend, so I couldn't post 'till this morning. :-(
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck
From: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu(Barry Trottier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC EAST SHUT OUT 0-5 THIS WEEK, BABY!!
Date: 16 Nov 1992 06:10:07 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-07.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Nov16.040149.18525@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL  
EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   What?? The whole NFC East lost today?? Starting a trend?? hmm?? :)
>   I love it!!!! That's a good question.. Who has the best football team now??

To be the best team now, it would be neccessary to beat a top team like, oh I  
don't know, maybe the New Orleans Saints.  Of course, just to make sure, it  
would be neccessary to beat them twice.  :)

I wonder who that could be. :)

----------------
Go Niners!
Go Elway!

Barry Trottier
e-mail:  trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 19:30:45 CST
From: <U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Time out strategy

If it's the MNF announcers (they DID saythat in Bills-Fins game) then
you don't need any explanation, they anyway don't know what they are talkin
about.
But it probably depends on which team it is, the defensive or offensive.
the defense would probably like to take time outs so that they have time
if they get the ball back, but probably even the offense would like to
do it too, so that they have enough time, and hope to stop the clock by
going out of bounds later.
I hope someone with a better understanding would explain how and when
a team would liek to use the time-outs before 2 min. warning.
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From: pagel@cheesehead.sharebase.com (Tom Pagel)
Subject: bear hunting season
Reply-To: pagel@cheesehead.sharebase.com (Tom Pagel)
Organization: NCR/ShareBase Corporation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 02:44:14 GMT

In article <lgkjirINN9jp@cronkite> andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM writes:

>We will see the uncivilized barbarians from the North,  led by this week's
>Packer of the Decade,  Brett Farve,  attempt to invade the thriving metropolis
>of Chicago.  Only to be rudely turned backed,  exiled to the frozen tundra
>known as Wisconson.

the way i see it, favre and sterling are heading down the lakeshore for 
a little bear huntin'.  

at toy soldier field. 

in chicago, fiblinois.

this gratuitous woofing has been brought to you by,

tom pagel		pagel@cheesehead.sharebase.com

go pack.
From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills No. 1 in AFC
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:21:29 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <92325.011214RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>    -Correct me if I'm wrong, but with a PhD, one should be able to interpret
>what they are reading.  I suggest you try to interpret what the heck you're
>reading on this net before flaming.


gee... was that a flame?  i didn't think so... i was simply discussing
differences of opinions... 

jason

p.s.

please enlighten me... what do you define as the difference between
CURRENT playoff standings and FINAL playoff standings?  

If you define final playoff standings as 'where the teams would be if
the season ended now,' how is that different from 'where the teams
would be right now?'

If you define final playoff standings as 'where the teams will be at
the end of the year'... then that is toally different and neither one
of us were arguig that case, so it is moot.
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From: vwayland@teal.csn.org (Vincent B. Wayland)
Subject: When is the Superbowl?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:49:38 GMT

What is the schedule for playoffs and the Superbowl?
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Troy Aikman
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:11:19 GMT

In article <cqkcyes@Unify.Com> tsv@Unify.com (Tim Vannaman) writes:
>I've been a 'Boys fan all of my life (even thru the dark ages!), and am
>disgusted w/ the way Troy played in the final minute of the Rams game.
>(That was all that was shown, here in 9er land).  
>
>It made me mad the way he used the clock, and the final two plays into the
>endzone? who was he throwing to???  I admit he is an above average  QB,  but
>he  sure does look clueless at times.  I hope this is an experience issue and
>not him being hard-headed.
>
>WHew, just had to get that off of my chest!
>
Food for thought. Compare Steve Young's performance when he was down
20-3 and how me came through. Big difference. The comparsion is 
startling. Two QBs under pressure and how one choked and how one
came through big time. I don't believe Aikman, has what it takes
THIS year to come through in big games. Young has already proven
that he can come back and win games under gun. Aikman has the RAW
talent to be another Stauback, but the 'Boz fans will have to be
patient. This is not to say that the 'Boz cannot win against the
Niners. Everyone knows, or should, that any team can win/lose.
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: bizarre play in CARDS/FALCONS game
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:47:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <56977@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <1e99qrINNeic@chnews.intel.com> sramirez@hopi.intel.com (Steve Ramirez) writes:
>
>
>To be honest Hill did appear to have Deion wrapped up so they could rule
>his momentum was stopped, but I don't think his knee was down yet when he
>fumbled. It was probably already blown dead before the fumble.
>
>Very dumb play by Deion, could have been a disaster, but it all could have
>been avoided if Chandler hadn't underthrown Hill who had 2 steps on Deion
>in the endzone(the ball hung up and Deion recovered for the pick). 

One slight nit here is that I believe that Deion is just as fast as Hill or 
faster and it is not unusual for him to give the appearance of being a step 
or two behind to bait the QB into making the throw. It's a tried and true 
tactic and Deion certainly has the tools to be able to use it!
 
>
>Bizarre play.

No question! 
-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....


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From: baldwin@carina.unm.edu (Chris Baldwin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Oilers Against NFC Teams.
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:51:42 GMT
Organization: Atheist for the Development of a Better God

In article <83860@ut-emx.uucp> twiggy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tah-suey) writes:
>The kicker's name was Ian Howfield.  If I remember correctly, he had missed
>a 19 yard field goal in the last seconds of the game to win it for the Oilers.
>The game went into overtime, and the Redskins won with a field goal.  The story
>on this guy was quite interesting.  He was sitting in a bar in Oklahoma before
>the start of that season, and saw on TV that the Oilers needed a place kicker.
>He tried out and made the team.  But of course, after that missed field goal,
>he was dismissed.  
	He was not dismissed just for missing that field goal. That was
just the straw that broke the camels back. As I remember, he missed 3(2?)
field goals and an extra point in the Washinton game and was having a
terrible year. del Greco is having a pretty good year and I haven't heard
any one jump on him for missing the field goal against Pittsburgh(or the
one in the playoffs last year against Denver.)

>(Incidentally, the Oilers lost a game a couple of weeks
>back to the Steelers because of a missed field goal in the last seconds of the
>game....Even before the kick, I couldn't help but think back to that game 
>against the 'Skins...lo and behold, Al del Greco did little to reinstill my
>faith in the Oiler's kicking game, even though this time it was something
>like a 40+ yarder.)
	After he missed that kick, my step father asked if there were
any Oiler fans in the room who seriously thought he would make it. All
4 of us said no, but the 1 Browns fan said he was surprised at the miss.
I think we have just gotten very fatalistic in our view of the Oilers.
I have no doubt that if it hadn't meant the game, del Greco would have
driven it through. It just seems that no matter what the Oilers do, if
it is close, they will loose. I nearly lost it completely when I saw
Carter come down with the ball in the end zone last week against the
Vikings. I just knew that one of those Hail Marys was going to work. It
didn't. Maybe this will be a turning point for the Oilers.

-- 
Chris Baldwin                | Anybody can fuck a pig; it takes a Marine 
baldwin@carina.unm.edu       | to fuck a pig to death.
                             |                          -Dan Hillman
"Is it just a coincidence that aliens always choose to abduct stupid people?" 
Organization: Univ Rel - Kathleen, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:15:45 -0500 
From: Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: THE BET

Count me in on the Dolphins side.

Todd Fletcher
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bills resurgence
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:29:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,

I'm not  big follower of the Bills but I have noticed that after their loss
to Miami earlier this year, they looked like they were on the skids.  The
Miami loss and the Raider loss could probably be explained by the special
defenses these teams used to stop Buffalo's offense but even when they played
the Jets they looked pretty mediocre.   Then, out of nowhere, against Pitt
they come back loaded with octane.  Ditto for their performance on the Monday
night game.  Was there a reason for their resurgance??  Did the offense change
any schemes?  Or was it all just a slump?

satish nair
go giants


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Re: Eagles vs. 49ers:  what'll happen
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:30:00 GMT

In article <1ejm5iINNijo@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Nov20.134306.4077@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
|> |In article <1ds2diINN71i@morrow.stanford.edu|, GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> |I disagree.  The Cowboys O is VERY dissimilar to the 49ers.  The 49ers are
|> |first and foremost a passing team.  The running of Ricky Watters is just a
|> |bonus.  The Cowboys are a rushing team behind Smith, and generally pass to keep
|> |his rush lanes unclogged.
very true. And that's almost all they use it for. IMHO, even though play mix
is even, the pass is not a sword as much as it is a plow.

,del.


|> The only thing that can stop the niners, in my opinion is teams that
|> have farily decent passing attacks. Teams like Miami, or even the
obviously excludes the Falcons as a 'decent' passing 'attack(?)'

|> Vikings. I think the Cowboys also still have a decent passing game.
again, I sure wish they'd use it more on quick-strike. But that would keep
the D on the field longer.

|> -- 
|> "There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
|>     distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
|>                       Kenneth Boulding                             
|> 
|> 					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
|> 						david@cats.ucsc.edu.

-- 
Cary W Reams | sneakers.ksh <"cary w. reams"
NT/BNR/MTXVO | TOO MANY SECRETS:> wry as a merc.   
---------------------------------------------------------------
My opinions are not necessarily shared by Northern Telecom/BNR. 
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From: martens@carp.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Eagle fan commits suicide (Re: 'Gang Green')
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:09:48 GMT

In article <Nov.23.14.25.24.1992.27146@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:

>When was the last time Green Bay was .500?
>When was the last time Green Bay was a Wild Card?
>When was the last time Green Bay was the division winner?
>When was the last time Green Bay was the NFC champion?
>When was the last time Green Bay was in the Super Bowl?

>It would seem every season is a screw up for "Da Pack."


Given that the Packers have done the last two more recently than
the Eagles, and that the Packers all-time won/lost is higher than
the Eagles', you don't have a leg to woof on.

IMHO this thread is getting pretty stupid, and those wanting to
continue it should take it to e-mail.
-- 
      "C'mon, what's the big hold up?!  Let's go, up there!
		  Bring on the snow!"  -- Calvin

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
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From: chipl@crchh427.BNR.CA (Chip Lewis)
Subject: Re: Lions QB situation [question]
Reply-To: chipl@crchh427.BNR.CA (Chip Lewis)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:10:54 GMT

In article <92322.1031043ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>, Robert Newby
<3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
|>Kramer will be starting Sunday.  Too bad, it seems Rodney has been fall guy
|>for some lousy play and offensive coaching that is incomprehensible.  Rodney
|>has played well but unfairly criticized by the fans and some media.  The
|>problem with the Lions is that they are a lousy franchise.  Russ
Thomas lives.
|>If you don't believe it check the "JRT" patch on their uniforms.  Rodney
|>said as much when he blasted the front office for not acquiring OL in the
|>off-season.  As a 17-year season ticket holder, this situation is disgusting,
|>even New England has been to a Super Bowl!!!  It's been 40 years since the
|>Lions have contested for a championship but they are one of the richer
|>franchises -- they make big bucks and could make more with a winner. Winning,
|>however, is secondary to the bottom line.

I have to disagree that the Lion's offensive coaching is poor. Granted they 
should have made a trade for an OL this year. But Fontes said, before training
camp started, that he didn't want to sacrifice the future (ie draft picks) for 
any of the linemen who were available. If some standout OL were available I 
have to think a trade or two would have been made. Now with impending free 
agency the possibilities of improving the OL in the coming offseason look
much more promising. The question is, what are they going to do? Sign Lomas
Brown? Some free agents? Draft at least three offensive linemen? 

I think Fontes saw last year that while the run and shoot did some real good
things, it was too limited to use exclusively. Put the Lions on a slow field
(Washington, San Fran, Chicago) and they didn't have a chance. So he tried to
use Dan Hennings knowledge of two-tightend power football to build a hybrid
offense that could use the run and shoot to it's full potential when possible
but switch to the TE sets when necessary. Unfortunately, the Lions just don't
have the OL personnel to do it. (Actually it kind of reminds me of when he 
first installed the run and shoot with nowhere near enough capable WR's).
Hopefully they can straighten out the OL situation by next year.

I don't mind letting Kramer have a chance to show what he can do again.
He looked 
better last year that Peete ever has. While I don't blame Peete by a long shot 
for the problems this year, he has made too many turnovers (both int's and 
botched handoffs). I think both of them are pretty good. In the right system, 
who knows? 

-chip
From: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Barry Trottier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: re:  <new bet
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:33:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.1ef1u2INNa49
Reply-To: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-23.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <92323.144644IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> ABHAY  
<IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> I am willing to bet that (s)aints will beat skins on monday!!!
> But the bet won't be @ leaving netgroup, As it is lots of fin fans
> have been thrwon (ejected ) out of the group, I don't want the skin fans
> to suffer same fate.
> Anything of the following may constitute a bet
> 
> 1) a friendly bet
> 2) A public apology
> 3)  Denouncing the faith in the team
> 4)  denouncing the faith in yourself
> 5)  Living in Maine for whole of the winter  (I do that all the time)

6)  Taking my finals for me next quarter.  (Average length of 3.5 hours and I  
will have 5 of them!)

By the way, I will take it, unless the condition is #5 or #4.  I will take the  
Skins.  (I am not too much of a fan, but I figure I may as well try my luck.)


---------------
Go Niners!
Go Elway!

Barry Trottier
e-mail:  trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Re: intentional grounding (Re: Bills vs. Dolphins)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:02:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.153454.24531@cs.ucf.edu> tech@maitland.cs.ucf.edu (Tony
Travaglini) writes:
>Ummm... No. It was intentional grounding. I think the spirit of the
>rule intends to prevent qb's from throwing the ball away when they are
>going to get sacked. kelly accidently chunked that ball close to
>someone.

Probably 30% of all passes in the NFL are thrown in order to "avoid a sack",
that is, with some kind of pressure on the qb. Many of these passes end up as
completions. 

How do you know that Kelly's throw was an accident? I would contend that Kelly
knew he would be flagged for intentional grounding if he simply thew the ball
away so he picked out a reciever to throw the ball at.  Since you or I or the
official can't read the qb's mind, the only thing we can to go on is which
players are in the vicinity of the pass. In this case, an eligible reciever
was very close to the ball. 

If a qb who is being sacked throws the ball at an eligible reciever, fine; if
not, throw the flag. It's not that difficult of a proposition.

-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
From: jtbell@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jonathan T. Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: America's Team Crap (was Re: Thanksgiving)
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:37:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

>In article <2208@shaman.wv.tek.com> danba@pogo.wv.tek.com (Daniel J Balza) writes:
>
>The reason I started hating the Cowboy's is because of this
>AMERICA'S TEAM crap.  I was just starting to think think that
>they were OK (new coaches, players. etc..) and now you tell me 
>they're going to start it all over again!!!  Nobody can tell me
>who my team is!!

	Who "decided" that the Cowboys were going to be "America's Team", and 
why wasn't I informed??  :)  I have never liked the Cowboys, mainly for the 
that reason!
	I wish they would come off their high horse....they are NOT America's
Team!! Why don't they get that damn star off their helmets as well! What does
that have to do with cowboys?!  :)

				-Jonny B.
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Subject: MNF STATS Bills/Dolphins - HELP
From: hillac@brt.deakin.edu.au
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:00:00 EST
Organization: Deakin University, Melbourne

Hello any Miami/Buffalo fans,
Our fantasy league down under has trouble getting MNF stats and this week we
desparately need them to finalise some of our games. If you could fill in the
table below this would be greatly appreciated. My mail address is below. This
would be the easiest way to reply to me.

Please fill in the following form for the players in the Monday night game
Please separate yds gained rushing from those receiving
Please list any players who intercepted a pass 

Backs / Receivers           TD Scored      Rushing/Receiving Yds

Mark Higgs    (M)
Mark Duper    (M)
Mark Clayton  (M)
Keith Jackson (M)
Bobby Humphrey(M)
Andre Reed    (B)
James Lofton  (B)
Thurman Thomas(B)

QB                      TD Passed       Total yds passed      Intercepts 

Dan Marino
Jim Kelly
  
Thanks in anticipation,

Graham Hill   (email  HILLAC@BRT.DEAKIN.EDU.AU)

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