HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ST403539@brownvm.brown.edu
Subject: sa
Organization: Brown University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:12:20 GMT

sevgili musluman kardeslerim yaklasan  Ramazan ayi dolayisiyla bu yaziyi
yazmak istedim.Biz muslumanlar herzaman iyilige dogruya yonelmeliyiz.
insanlara duskunlere  yaslilara  gozleri gormeyen lere kulaklari
 duymayanlara yardim ci olmaliyiz. yurda dondugumuzde cesitli hayir
 kurumlarina girmeliyiz.gercekten yurdomuzda yardima muhtac cok insan vardir.
cesitli ilim kuruluslarinda  da gorev almali ilimdedde ileri gitmeliyiz.
 ALLAH hepimizin yardimcisi olsun.
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: MUSLUMAN TURK(IYE) GELENEKLERI (Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri)
Keywords: none
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:13:00 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <C0HxF6.F3t@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut) writes:
|In article <4328.9301061136@thor.cf.ac.uk> spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92) writes:
|>Demek ki 80 den onceye pek gidemediginiz icin adreslemeyi yanli$
|>yapmi$siniz. Turk-Islam sentezinin gayr-i Islami oldugunu, Allah tan
|>ba$kasina hesap vermem demenin Turk-Islam sentezi demek olmadigini ve
|>Turk-Islam sentezi sacmaliginin 80 den cok oncelerden Ziya Gokalp, Nihal
|>Atsiz gibi irkci ki$ilerce konu$uldugunu bilirdiniz aksi takdirde.
|>
|>Beytullah
|
|1.	Bugun Turkiye'de Turk-Islam sentezi deyince akla once Anavatan
|	iktidari gelir. Ben gunumuzun kosullarini kastediyorum.
|
|2.	Ziya Gokalp'i, Nihal Atsiz'i, ve digerlerini yeterince tanimiyor
|	olabilirim. Herkesin bilgisi sinirlidir. Herkes istedigi konularda
|	kulturunu zenginlestirir. 

Herhangi bir fikir veya ideolojinin aslini bilmeden, o ideoloji ile alakasi 
olmayan insanlari ilgisi olmayan bir cumleden $ucu bucu demek yanli$tir.

|
|3. 	"Allah'tan baskasina hesap vermem" Turk-Islam sentezi demek
|	olmayabilir, ama Turkiye'de bu sentezi savunanlarca defalarca
|	soylenmistir.

$imdi bu sozu size SHP veya CHP den olan bazi ki$ilerin soyledigini
kanitlarsam onlari da bu guruptan kabul edecek misiniz?

Beytullah

|-- 
|Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
|Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
|Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: basaran@beach.csulb.edu (Mete)
Subject:  Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Reply-To: basaran@beach.csulb.edu
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:39:54 GMT

In article <102939.10421.10418@kcbbs.gen.nz>, Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki`
>> In article <102938.19964.2914@kcbbs.gen.nz>, Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hak
>> >> In article <102936.49853.17425@kcbbs.gen.nz>    
>> >> Hakki_Kocakelle@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocakelle writes);    
>> >>     
>> >> > Huu-Bey'den huuular DINle....butun bu kuruntularin gecer :-)      
>> >>     
>> >>      
>> >> Iyi dinle, Kocakelle. Soyleyecek baska seyin kalmamissa, agzini    
>> >> kapali tut (parmaklarin hangi tuslara bastigini bilsin).    
>> >    
>> >O tusa basma!, bu tusa basma!    
>> >Ananin a mi basicaz lan !    
>> >    
>Ete, Mete  
>..........  
>Gonderdim melmekete...  
>> 
>Hakki_Kocabas


Kocabas, girsin BAs!
Lan Kocabas,sende ensest misin,sende Beytullah gibi cocuklarinla
Kizilbascilik oynuyor musun bakiym?
Bak vallhi anani genelevde gordugumu herkese soylerim,bilmis ol!

MUB
From: RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The Concept of God in Islam-13  (AL BASIR)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 02:22:21 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

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AL-BASIR

         He is the one who is All-Seeing.
         He sees all that has passed, all there is and all there will be
         until the end of time--from the time when He moved the sea
         of nothingness in 'alam al-lahut until after Doomsday and the
         Last Judgment. He has also given to His creatures the ability
         to behold His creation. Some of His creatures see shapes and
         colors and movements better than men do, but He has given
         man an eye of the heart, to see deeper than what meets the
         eye--an inner eye to see the inner man.
         That eye is called the baslrah. Although we cannot see
         Allah--only He can see Himself--with the baslrah we can see
         ourselves. In doing so we will know that though we cannot
         see Him, He is looking at us, seeing not only what is on the
         outside of us, but what is in our minds and what is in our
         hearts. He who sees himself and knows himself knows that
         Allah sees him.
         When you are in front of someone whom you respect and
         fear, you behave properly, with good conduct. You stand
         respectfully. You watch what you do and what you say. Yet
         that person can only see your outside; your respect and fear
         of him depend only on your temporal worldly interest and
         concern. The one who has created you and the ones before
         you, the one who truly controls your life, sustains you, loves
         you, protects you, has mercy on you, is with you night and
         day, the one on whom your life depends for eternity in the
         Hereafter--He is closer to you than your jugular vein. He has
         also told you clearly through His prophets and in His holy
         books what He wishes you to do, how He wishes you to
         behave, to the minutest detail. Yet right in front of His eyes,
         you do not hesitate to perform the most shameful and care-
         less acts, without respect or fear.
         Is it because you do not see Him that you believe that
         Allah al-Basir cannot see you?

Fwd by Remzi Cirit

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: The Liberation of Buchenwald
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:11:32 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

+In <9301111959@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

+>In article <1993Jan11.130103.15924@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

+>>[Speaking of the liberation of Buchenwald, and the death of the American
+>>president, Franklin Roosevelt, author Abram Sachar paints a surrealistic
+>>picture of an American officer, who requests the freed prisoners at
+>>Buchenwald to participate in a tribute/memorial to FDR...]

+>In 1941, while the Jews were being assembled for their doom in the Nazi
+>concentration camps, the Armenian volunteers in Germany formed the first
+>Armenian battalion to fight alongside the Nazis. In 1943, this battalion 
+>had grown into eight battalions of 20,000-strong under the command of the
+>former guerilla leader Dro (the butcher), who was the former dictator of the
+>short-lived Armenian Dictatorship (1918-1920) and the architect of the 
+>cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds between 1914-1920.

	During the second world war, thousands of Belgian Rexists attempting
to gain favor with their German occupiers fought on the eastern front
against the Russians along with persons from Spain, Italy, France, Rumania,
Hungary, Slovenia.  During the war, thousands of various nationalities 
fought with the Germans for various reasons.



+>An Armenian National Council was formed by the notorious Dashnak Party 
+>leaders in Berlin, which was recognized by the Nazis. Encouraged by 
+>this, the Armenians summarily formed a provisional government that endorsed 
+>and espoused fully the principles of the Nazis and declared themselves as the 
+>members of the Aryan super race and full participants to Hitler's policy of 
+>extermination of the Jews.


	There is a large degree of difference between the Armenian 
national Council, the Dashnak's and the "armenian people" as a whole.

	You dare not say how many armenians fought with the Russian 
army do you?

	There were collaborators with the germans in every european
country and in places like Iraq, Egypt and Iran as well.  They collaborated
with the germans for various reasons.  Some were ideological soul-mates
of the nazis.  Some thought they were fighting in a crusade against 
communisim.  Many saw helping the germans as a way to gain favor with
them after the war.  Many were local, national varients of facism each
with their own ideology and goals.  The rexists in Belgium for example
had as I remember a goal of recreating the kingdom of Burgandy.
	
	The actions of armenians was no better or worse than those of
many other nationalities.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.history
From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: spor haberleri.
Summary: everthing under control
Keywords: basketball
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:54:56 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre


 

TUrkiye'den gelen basketbol haberleri:

-----------------------------

Orhun'un sakatligi sonrasi ilk kez oynadigi macta Fener Clear Cantu'yu
11 sayi farkla yendi. Boylelikle son macinda Hirvatistan'da 12 sayi farkla
yenilse bile ilk 8'e girecek. Grupta durum soyle :

           O G M
 1. Cantu  5 3 2
 2. Fener  5 3 2
 3. XXXX   5 2 3
 4. Hirvat 5 2 3
    takimi 

  Efes'in grubunda ise durum soyle :

           O G M
 1. Efes   5 5 -
 2. Zarago 5 3 2
 3. Hapoel 5 3 2
 4. Riga   5 2 3
 5. Sloven 5 2 3
 6. CSKA   5 - 5

-------------------------------
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: MUSLUMAN GELENEKLERI (!!)
Keywords: none
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:13:33 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <Jan08.181227.37486@meng.emory.edu> mario@meng.emory.edu writes:
|
|Musluman Turk(iye) gelenekleri hoslarina gitmedi. "Mustekreh" buldular.
|Hadi biraz da Musluman geleneklerinden bahsedelim.

Aradaki copluk silindi.


|Cehennem col cehennemi,sicak,alev,ates..Oysa cennette sedirler,minderler,
|av etleri..Neden hurma var da,ananas,kiwi,guava,avakado yok? Hadi bakalim!
|
|Maestro Can

Maestro Mete'nin gramafon ignesi mi sana takildi? Ne o uc seferdir
plagin ayni yerinde donup duruyorsun?

Sizden akletmek gecmi$ hic olmazsa son kalan beyin hucrelerinize de
bakin ki ileride ufak da olsa i$e yarar.

Beytullah
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: MUSLUMAN TURK(IYE) GELENEKLERI (Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri)
Keywords: none
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:05:17 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <Jan05.054631.51064@meng.emory.edu> mario@meng.emory.edu writes:
|Turk(iye) gelenekleri mi??
|
|Birakin bu isleri, ben size biraz Turk-Islam sentezi Musluman Turkiye
|geleneklerinden bahsedeyim. Hani o karisini sopalayan,mizah dergilerinde 
|ayagini yikatirken resmedilen,"rontgen gecen",Arap Kadri'yle "takilan", 
|komsu dul Nurtop Hanim'a balta olan, ozellikle REFAH'a,olmazsa ANAP'a oy 
|veren insanlarin geleneginden.
|
|Toplama kampina giden Yahudi vagonu gibi pislik icinde,ust uste,
|ter kokulu ve trahom yuvasi belediye otobuslerinde elalemin karisinin 
|kizinin baldirini sIkIstiran,yolda kendisi onden yuruyup kariyi iki metre 
|arkadan yuruten hani..
|
|Sultan Suyu'na Aygaz tupu,Yeni Raki,okey takimi ve defle giden,ayagina tokyo,
|poposuna kirmizi beyaz cubuklu pijama alti giyen,"atlet fanilasi" koltugunun
|altindan iki karis sarkan,komsusuyla kavga cikarip coluk cocugunun 
|"baba Allah'ini seversen yapma",karisinin "Beytullah olumu op" cigliklari
|arasinda dalasan,universite okumuslarinin kultur duzeyi Ilkokul ile Ortaokul 
|seviyesi arasindaki bir cizgide gidip gelenlerin geleneklerinden.
|
|Apisarasini karistiran,denize kariyi kesinkes sokmayip da,pacali ic donu
|ve beline taktigi sambrel'le giren,girmeyip cimen,burnunu iki parmagiyla 
|kistirip civileme atlayan,araba,minibus veya kamyonunu En'am Cuzu'yle,
|karinca dualari ile donatan zavallilarin geleneginden. 
|Turk'un Anadolu'ya girdikten 922 yil sonra ulastigi medeniyet,kultur ve zevk 
|duzeyinin temsilcilerinin geleneginden.
|

Mr.Maestro maalesef bilginiz bir ilkokul mezunu insanin bilgisine dahi
eri$ememi$. Gercek muslumanlari tanimadiginiz icin, Mr.Kaya'nin dinine
veya kendi dinlerine tabii olan ki$ilerin hayatindan kesitler vererek
$uurlu muslumanlar uzerine atmi$siniz. Butun bilginiz 'Arap Kadri',
'Avanak Avni' gibi tiplemelerin yapildigi Girgir, Firt gibi dergilerin
verdigi kulturden ibaret. 

Cok yazik ben sizi Hayat bilgisi okudunuz zannediyordum. Demek ki
oyleymi$. Biz de haybeye bacak sallayip seni muhatap kabul etmi$tik,
vah halinize.



|Hediye vermesi din'inde belirtilmiyormus..Kaya yanlis soylemis,bunlar
|"hediye vermekten degil almaktan hoslanirlar", diye.. 
|Hediye alip vermek icin biraz yontulmus olmak,gorgu,bilgi,ne biliim gusto 
|filan gerekir.
|
Zavalli garip kulturunden (mantar kulturu) dolayi soyleneni bile
k.cindan anlami$. Biz hediyele$mek sunnettir diyoruz, adam hediyele$mek
yok anliyor. $imdi de sunneti o sunnet anlarsa ne yapariz bilmem.


|Bunlar olsa olsa bahsis,sadaka alip verirler,duzeyleri bu.

Senin gibi zavallilara sadaka verelim de gidip bi hayat bilgis kitabi al
oku. Mantar kulturune faydasi dokunur.

Beytullah

|
|
|Maestro Can
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: "George William Herbert" goes to Washington D.C.
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:22:39 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <8579@charon.cwi.nl> dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:

> Yes, please in unmarked two dollar bills.
> -- 

There are two-dollar bills in America, believe it or not. It has
Jefferson on one side and a rendering of the meeting of the
declaration of independence on the other side.
-- 

	mark	

   hubey@amiga.montclair.edu         hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
   hubey@pilot.njin.net               ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: erkam@acadia.Kodak.COM (Yusuf Murat Erkam)
Subject: Korac Kupasi dunku sonuc
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:48:13 GMT

Basketbol Avrupa Kupalari (last update 1/7/93)
=========================

Kupa Galipleri Kupasi
---------------------
Yari Final Grubu:

11/24/92	Efes Pilsen - Smelt Olympija (Slovenya)         : 69-52

12/01/92	Broceni Riga (Letonya) - Efes Pilsen		: 72-93

12/08/92	Zaragosa (Ispanya) - Efes Pilsen		: 63-65

12/15/92	Efes Pilsen - CSKA Moscow (Rusya)		: 85-82

01/05/93 	Hapoel Tel Aviv (Israil) - Efes Pilsen		: 87-90 <--yeni

	Puan Durumu     0 G M P
	1.Efes Pilsen	5 5 0 10

6 takimli grupta Efes Pilsen na-maglup lider durumda. Lig usulu
oynanan maclar bittikten sonra grup birincisi ile ikincisinin
oynayacagi 3 maclik bir seri ve daha sonra diger grubun seri galibi ile
5 maclik Avrupa Kupa Galipleri Kupasi Finali oynanacak.

Korac Kupasi 
------------
Yari Final Grubu:

11/24/92	Charleroi (Belcika) - Fenerbahce		: 80-75

12/01/92	Clear Cantu (Italya) - Fenerbahce		: 97-80

12/08/92	Fenerbahce - KK Dinamo Zagrep (Hirvatistan)	: 77-64

12/16/92	Fenerbahce - Charleroi (Belcika)		: 75-70

01/06/93	Fenerbahce - Clear Cantu (Italya)		: 73-62 <--yeni

01/13/93	KK Dinamo Zagrep (Hirvatistan) - Fenerbahce	:


	Puan Durumu	O G M P
	1.Cantu		5 3 2 8
	2.Fenerbahce	5 3 2 8
	3.KK Zagrep	4 2 2 6
	4.Charleroi	4 1 3 5

13 Ocak'ta bitecek grup maclarindan sonra grup birinci ve ikincisi,
4 takimlik lig usulu oynanacak Korac Kupasi Final Grubu'na kalacak.

PS: Basketbol ile ilgili bilgilerin cogu su anda Turkiye'de olan
    Murat Tekalp'ten.....
From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: The children of "18-year-old democracy".
Date: 8 Jan 1993 07:27:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <9301062027@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>
>Nobody is going to give you that. You might give at least the
>memory of it to yourself if you try. I know it doesn't make sense,
>but since when is "tamtam" about sense, anyway. Besides, in its 
>entire history Greece has never been a democracy - except for the 
>last 18 years. The Turkish rule in Greece ended in 1821 and since 
>
I'm curious, what language is the word 'democracy' origninally
from?

-- 
Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
--------------------------------------------------------------------
fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:53:14 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <1993Jan04213226.AA18641@me.unda.edu> kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp) writes:
|From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
|Subject: Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
|
|*> Peygamberimizin (SAV) tavsiyesi olan hediye verme guzel bir sunnettir.
|*> Ve dini bayramlarda verilir diye bir kaide yoktur. Ben $ahsen onlarin
|*> ozellikle kutsal diye kabul ettikleri, Allah a (CC) $irk ko$tuklari bu
|*> gunlerde herhangi bir kimseye hediye vermekten (onlara benzememek icin)
|*> bir musluman olarak haya ederim. Tabi buna kar$i cikan olabilir. Herkes
|*> dilediginde serbesttir.
|*>
|*> Beytullah
|
|Beytullah bey kardesimiz, sevgili peygamberimiz Hz. Muhammed'in
|bir tavsiyesini bize sundu. Ilginctir, o devirde Muhammed hediye
|veren degil, hediye alan tarafmis. Bu hediyelere de sadaka adi 
|verilirmis. Ne dersin Beytullah? Tavsiyeyi yapan o olduguna
|gore, Muhammed de hediye alanlardanmis. 
|
|kaya

Hediye ile sadaka arasindaki farki ogren de gel! Ondan sonra gel
konu$alim. Tabii once sana sorulan tanla soruya da cevap vermen
gerekiyor.
Beytullah
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:00:25 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <25377.9301042036@thor.cf.ac.uk> spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92) writes:


> Do not mix the Beduoins with Rasulullah (pbuh)'s 'medeniyye' society.

I don't think I'm the one mixing up the Beduoins with anything. The
honor goes to other posters who seem to have a problem distinguishing
between ancient Arab/Middle Eastern Customs with what Islam is about.

Neither am I being original on this count. There are many writings
by people dating back hundreds of years which make distinctions
between superficial ritualistic aspects of religion and what 
religion is really about. Among these people are names such
as Rumi, and Gazali.

> |Let's see. "If you copy from one book, it's plagiarism. If you
> |copy from many books, it's called writing a new book."
> |
> 
> Can you tell me here which book you mentioned?

It's just a saying. Most books are of this type. Any calculus
book will look like any other calculus book unless you copy
a lot from one book.
	
> What does the Bible say? and which one of them? (as you know there were
> more than one hundred copies. Can you tell me which one of them is
> original copy who came to Isa (AS)?

As far as I know, no serious scholar says anything about the Bible
being 'sent' to anyone. All you have to do is to pick up a
copy of the Dartmouth Bible. It's full of explanations of what
the various passages refer to.

In fact, in recent years, various excavations in the Middle East
have turned up clay tablets dating back to the Mitanni, the
Eblaites, the Sumerians and the Babylonians.

It's the obvious parallels found in these books with the
myths, legends and other writings of the Holy Books, that
makes people wonder about what these writings in the Holy
Books are about and how they got collected in that form.

The passages in the Holy Books are a summary of the 
collective memories and myths of the people of the
Middle East, nothing more and nothing less.

The book by Bethel describes many of the latest finds and
goes a long way toward explaining many of the curious
passages and enigmas that have haunted the religious scholars
for centuries. It's interesting reading. I think you should
try it.
-- 

	mark	

   hubey@amiga.montclair.edu         hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
   hubey@pilot.njin.net               ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:36:47 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

|
|> Whoever imitates a nation becomes one of them.  (Hadith)
|
|Exactly. Whoever imitates the Americans becomes one of them. Whoever
|imitates the 7th century Beduoins becomes one of them.

Do not mix the Beduoins with Rasulullah (pbuh)'s 'medeniyye' society.


|
|And if you put it all together what do you have ?
|
|Let's see. "If you copy from one book, it's plagiarism. If you
|copy from many books, it's called writing a new book."
|

Can you tell me here which book you mentioned?

|If you want to read about all these, try Bethel, "What does
|the Bible really say".
|-- 

What does the Bible say? and which one of them? (as you know there were
more than one hundred copies. Can you tell me which one of them is
original copy who came to Isa (AS)?

|
|	mark	
|
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: "Robert Szelepcsenyi" <robert@posen.mff.uniba.cs>
Subject:   Public e-mail access in Ankara/Turkey
X-Char-Esc: 29
X-Charset: ASCII
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Date:      Tue, 05 Jan 1993 20:36:43 MET

Dear networkers:


In the near future my father is going to work in Ankara. He
works in social sciences and uses e-mail to get important
information from people all over the world. He would be very
glad to have an opportunity to use e-mail also in Ankara.

Therefore I have the following questions:

1. What is the situation concerning computer networks like
   Internet and Bitnet in Turkey?

2. Is there any possibility for a private person to get an
   e-mail access (or even online Internet access) in Ankara via a
   dial-up line?

3. What is the address of the Anatolian University in Eskisehir
   and the address of the computer science department of the
   Middle-East Technical University in Ankara?
   
NOTE: As I cannot read this newsgroup (I am posting this via
e-mail using a simple trick), please respond directly to my
e-mail address.

Thank you in advance for your help.


Robert Szelepcsenyi

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