HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: Problems connecting to metaserver.
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:16:57 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <4ez_DuC00VpEIGO0Mb@andrew.cmu.edu> jf41+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jonathan R. Ferro) writes:
>charon.amdahl.com reports *for itself* that it has two network
>addresses:

It does.

>> charon.amdahl.com
>Server:  charon.amdahl.COM      <-- Use charon.amdahl.com to look up
>Address:  129.212.11.1              its own address
>
>Name:    charon.amdahl.com
>Addresses:  129.212.33.1, 129.212.11.1  <-- Here's what you get.
>                                            The first one is totally bogus.

The .11.1 address is outside, the .33.1 address is inside.  Two different
network connectors... that way you can tell if a connection is coming from
the outside or inside (that's what the INADDR_ANY is used for in bind()).
Because it's a firewall machine, it won't pass packets, and you can't get
at the internal address.

I figure it lists the .33.1 address first so that INTERNAL hosts get the
correct address.

I think there was an alternate DNS equivalent... amdahl-barr.amdahl.com or
something to that effect (we're on BARRnet).  Give it a try; I'll poke around
here.

>-- Jon Ferro               Einsprachigkeit ist heilbar

-- 
fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
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From: farrow@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (J. Scott Farrow)
Subject: Re: Brick Verser in 2004
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:20:07 GMT

pjw@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Streaker) writes:

>In article <JIVE.92Nov9232147@spanky.ssc.gov) jive@spanky.ssc.gov (Jim Ivey) writes:
>)
>)) talent!  I think that we should shoot for 2000 :)  Are you an old fart
>)) Brick *smirk* ? Of course in netrek-age-terms!
>)
>)) Platform???  Of course...to get rid of call the SCUMS (tm) in D.C :)
>)
>)) Streaker
>)) aka Running Mate?  --  Take that Jim :)
>)
>)
>)     You'll be too young, Phil:)
>)
>)     Jim "God I'm such an old fart" Ivey

>Hmmm....Let me see, I'll be 30 in the year 2000 and 34 in the year 2004 (boy
>I'm really good at Math :) )

>What is the minimun age for a VP anyways??  30 or 35?

>Phillip
>aka Veep

Sorry Philip, you're not qualified. See below. VP has to be 35 too.


From Article II, Section 4 of the Consitution of the United States of America

 4.  No person except a natural born
citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of
this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither
shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to
the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the
United States.


Anyway, my first platform request is a faster InterNet.

Scott
(aka Necron)

--
************* Repeal Amendment 2! - Shame On You, Colorado. ******************
J. Scott Farrow-Student SysAdmin/Programmer, University of Colorado at Boulder
Computing & Network Services, Boulder, Colorado, USA, phone: (303) 492-4428
Internet: farrow@spot.colorado.edu, farrow@cs.colorado.edu
From: hendric@chester.ksu.ksu.edu (Richard Hendricks)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: Very old no-profanity rule at rwd4
Date: 6 Nov 1992 21:37:27 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: chester.ksu.ksu.edu

jch+@cs.cmu.edu (Jonathan Hardwick) writes:

>josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes) writes
>> Gosh, kids, there's a new no-profanity rule at rwd4. 

>New?  When was the last time you read the motd?

>> Rd-->ALL  Ka is a fucking idiot!
>> 
>> is one thing, but for a complaint about my OWN client? Pish and
>> tosh. And with no warning at all? Weenie city. 

>I agree.  I've never seen someone ejected under the circumstances you
>describe.
BTW- exactly how hard would it be for some programming guru to add a little
bit of code that checked messages for common swear words, and automatically 
booted you? ie. searches for certain words, parts of words, etc.  maybe that's
what happened........
MuckyPup   utter newbie       easy kill for anyone
From: hill@norman.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: The use of profanity
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:57:17 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Alan D. Cabrera writes
> In article 721334963@mowgli, josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes)  
writes:
> 
> >
> > ... Tired plebian arguments for using profanity...
> >
> > Don't accuse me of being that shallow unless you know me. 
> 
> I've always been taught to judge people by their actions, not by what

> Alan Cabrera				internet:  adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu

That's odd...I was always taught not to judge people...unfortunately you  
grow up and learn differently.  Speaking of actions, alan....grrr....

Rob
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From: delbaeth@cqs.washington.edu (Robert Christ)
Subject: Re: Another weird rank question
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 10:04:42 GMT

Poor Cmdr. Clueless gets stuck at Cmdr.

One of my first bronco chars made Captain on single DI and then
its ratings slipped to 3.8 or so and he scummed up to 200 DI and
remained at Captain..
  rob

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From: jwh@cs.bham.ac.uk (James "Oolon Colluphid" Hawtin)
Subject: HOW DO I GET RSA (Re: NEW RSA SERVER!!!!!)
Organization: School of Computer Science, The University of Birmingham, UK
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:42:26 GMT

No one has answered the question yet:-

HOW DO PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE US USE RSA.

Answer is they cannot, question why is it so important that RSA is used, there are
many better systems available outside the US why not use one of them? I know
many people have already installed patches etc. But really do you expect us to
have one client to use US servers and another for everywhere else in the known
world (expect Canada and we all know what the US thinks of them [flag]!). What
about us ENL people.

			James. 
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From: bdhall@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian D Hall)
Subject: Re: official NBR proposal
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:59:47 GMT

In article <seyc=C200VpHNND74I@andrew.cmu.edu> "Joseph E. Beck" <jb8n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Currently on monochrome monitors there is no way to distinguish
>independant planets on the galactic map (unless you choose to display
>racial ownership, which is a lose).  My proposal is that you're able
>to map your race's planets on the map on 1 font, enemy planets in
>another font, and independant planets in a third.  This allows you to
>distinguish at a glance which planets are independant.  
>
>Before people start screaming "Netrek for morons" you should realize
>that this is already an option on color monitors, independant planets 
>are shown in a different color than owned planets.  So the only thing
>this does is even the playing field between those who have color and
>those who don't.  
>
>Comments?  Seconds?
>
>	joe
>	Purple haze


	Try this in your .xtrekrc:

#fonts

font:           6x10
boldfont:       -schumacher-clean-bold-r-normal--10-100-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1
italicfont:     -schumacher-clean-medium-i-normal--12-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1


	This does the following:
Enemy planets AND enemy ships in normal 6x10
Independent planets, teammates ships, and peaceful enemys in italics
Owned planets and your own ship in bold


   DarkHorse


Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 18:51:21 -0500 
From: "Timothy C. Worsley" <tw1r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: November classic

	We've had September and October classics, so it seems to make sense to
have the November classic too.
	I'd personally like for this to be an international tournement,
featuring teams from Europe and Austrailia.  I need to know how time
zones compare.  
	If you are from Austrailia or any country in Europe, and can produce an
8-person team, please send me mail.  I would prefer if all teams from
outside of North America would be at home, so you would need your own
server.
 	If you're from North America, send me mail, and I'll set up teams as I
see fit.  Be prepared to play against lag.  This whole thing could be a
disaster, so try to come knowing that it could be disapointing.
	If you're from Japan, Asia, Africa, S. America, Antartica, or currently
in orbit (Or anywhere else for that matter), jus tlet me know, and I'll
come up with something.
	We'll be playing on the 21st - 22nd of November.  If you're from
Austrailia, assume it will be the 22nd;  If you're from North America,
the 21st; I'm not sure about Europe.

	Rob says I'm a masochist.

ZZnew guy
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From: mdm@stegosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Moore)
Subject: Iastate stuff
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:28:05 GMT

>In article <4aFi03Uqb8H500@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden) writes:
>> 
>> Many of you may have seen the PBS series, "The Dream Machine", which
>> examined the birth of the "modern computer" from its very beginnings.  I
>> have the book, so I looked the guy up in the index.
>> 
>> He wasn't there.
>> 
>> Guess he must've made a real big contribution, huh?
>

	Here's a bit of free advice.  Don't be a smart-ass.  Because
when you're a smart-ass and you make a mistake, you look like an 
idiot.

	As for all this Iastate bashing, it sucks.  I've watched it
from the beginning and the only thing I ever saw was these guys
defending their name.  Maybe they said a few erronous things in the
heat of discussion but it certainly was nothing compared to that which
was done to them.  

	And yet I see virtually everyone arrayed against them.  Makes
me wonder about people.  Prejudice is alive and well in the tiny,
facist world of netrek.  

	-Michael )Ged(
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From: gdearing@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gregory D Dearing)
Subject: Flt. Captain tufu?  I don't think so.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:32:53 GMT

After fingering netrek@bronco, I happened to notice this entry.

    Name               Hours      Planets     Bombing    Offense     Defense
Fleet Captains:
124 tufu                3.54     10  1.10   187  0.78   138  1.51   130  0.78

He has 3.39 ratings and by my best estimate should make Commander with
a little effort and patience.  Anyone have any idea why he's listed as
a Fleet Captain?

Just curious,
-- 
Greg Dearing
Email: Dearing.2@osu.edu
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From: mehlhaff@soda.berkeley.edu (ERic MeHlHaFf)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: Client/Server question
Date: 11 Nov 1992 03:08:14 GMT
Organization: The Dis-Orginization
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov9.003726.7112@tamsun.tamu.edu> jeffw@cs.tamu.edu (Jeffrey A Waller) writes:
>How does the client-server pair determine the trajectory of
>torps/phasers?  

When a player fires a torpedo, the client sends a packet saying what
direction to fire it in.

The server just sends updates about that torpedo's position at each 
particular point in time.  It doesn't send any directional information
back.




-- 
ERic mehlhaff					   mehlhaff@soda.Berzerkeley.EDU
mehlhaff@ocf.berkeley.EDU         "Life? Don't talk to me about life..." -Marvin
From: davidt@cs.utexas.edu (David Eng-Yeow Teo)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: GoodBye Netrek!
Date: 5 Nov 1992 23:01:15 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: needmore.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: Back to the Real World!

Bye guys I'll be leaving the States for my home country Singapore this Saturday.Thanks for the 2 years of netrek. 
It's finally back to the real world for me!

I've left my GrandFather borg code with nicknac@wam.umd.edu.  If there are any
problems/requests etc. bother him.  :)

Now for a going away song, ....

To all the scums, I've ogged before......
who travelled in and out my window....
I'm glad they came along.....
I dedicate this song....
To all the scums, I've ogged before....

ELVIS LIVES!!!!!!!

Dark Spirit
NightVoices
Voices of the Night

==========================================================================
"The loney night is always crying out to me, then I said, "Don't cry, cold
night, daybreak is coming!"                           - David Eng-Yeow Teo

-- 
David Teo
(davidt@cs.utexas.edu)
University of Texas at Austin

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:36:51 -0500 
From: Rick <stimpy+@cmu.edu>
Subject: berkeley client

and now, for my next question about the "berkeley" client:

why is it not possible to re-size the windows? you can't resize any of
the windows with your window manager. I've tried several window mangers.

something to do with the x11window.c?? something that can be changed? :)


--Rick
"Bronco Netrek Server. You will never find a more wretched hive of
scum and villainy." -- Admiral Kenobi (aka Terence Chang)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
From: josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes)
Subject: Re: _Long_ response to lag questions - Hit 'n' now
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:25:28 GMT

bathurst@noaapmel.gov (Bill Bathurst) writes:

[tale of woe deleted]

and then--mmf--there are a few of us here--tee hee--who
have our OWN SPARC2!!! BWAAAA HA HA HA HA!

Hey, maybe I _am_ immature....hmmm...

	-the plebe 

	-no, I mean the doctor

P.S. Even so, calvin is essentially unplayable. The net between
here and there is, um, not up to it. rwd4 is generally fine, but
has been quite jerky the last few days, and doorstop is, for
me at least, uniformly smooth and pretty, which doesn't explain
why I have such pissy stats there.

--
Josh Hayes, Quantitative Sciences HR-20 U of Washington
josh@mowgli.cqs.washington.edu             206 543-5004
Let's talk about your car. It's screaming, "Wash me please!"
From: paulsen@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (FreeKill)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: SB ogging
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:14:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <palane.721421720@pv7412.vincent.iastate.edu> palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane) writes:

>Great stuff. I'll give it a try. By the way, one (probably known) solution
>to the coordination problem is to get a group of oggers orbiting a planet.
>When the leader cloaks, everyone lock onto the base and move cloaked at the
>same speed. FWOOOOOOOSH!

Yes, it is known. However, I think it's one of the worst ways to ensure
coordination.  If you can get a group of people wanting to coordinate, and
then you have to rely on this to ensure coordination, somebody is doing
something wrong.

First problem: everybody is in the same place.  Counter-oggers can easily
pick off more than one person per counter ogger, this is very bad.

Second problem: usually everybody goes at the sb from the same direction.
  One plasma and "FWOOOOOOOSH!"  Almost all good base oggs occur from the
  team surrounding the base, not from going in from one place.

I think a far better solution (and about as well known) is to have the oggers
split up into groups and have each group meet at the 3 front-line planets
and go in.

Another solution is to have the people who die first in one wave be the
ones who try to attack from the rear.  The ones who die last go straight in.

Of course, the best solution (and the least well known from the way I see
most people play) is to just read messages, look at the galactic, determine
who the fellow oggers are, and then just "use your head" to coordinate.
Not to sound like I'm partial to CMU, but nobody else base oggs like them.
I think that's because they use the last method.

Brian

Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
From: danny@cs.su.oz.au (Danny)
Subject: Re: sunscreamer's How to be a Scoutbomber, part 2
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:28:35 GMT

In article <EeyLMdS00awF0udVs=@andrew.cmu.edu> "Timothy C. Worsley" <tw1r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Warsong PS O D F+ L A T  	Why are you scoutbombing alone?

Avoid like the PLAGUE when you are 700ms lagged!!!

I learnt this the hard way... :)

ICMP Redirect - SC bomber with lag
danny - best base in the Southern Hemisphere
Death - scumming for Admiral with ratings 12+

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From: books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu (Roger Books)
Subject: How to take out bombers/Takers
Organization: FSU nuclear physics
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 13:48:52 GMT

Just a few general musings that will probably get me killed later.

When attempting to get that annoying SC bomber when she is orbitting a
planet (or you think he is) remember it only takes a few CA torps to
kill a scout (3 I believe).  If you want to work it out you will find
the scout spends more time in your torps path when going directly away
from you or directly towards you.  So, using these two facts firing two
sets of 3 torps to the line on the sides where she will be moving away
from or towards you maximizes your chances of hitting and killing her.

While a line across the world should hit her you then have to use follow
ups, which means the 2 or 3 spare armies go bye-bye.

This same strategy should work for other ships although they, of course,
will take more torps.

As usual, comments and criticisms welcome.  If I am SC bombing please ignore
the above statements.

Oh, as for not locking onto the SB when ogging it, are you the one that
keeps flying through the SB and out the other side when he misses 
pressoring you?


Sherlock  (I think I've found the clue, now I need to find the skill.)

Roger
books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu
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From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Subject: Re: ENPN: *Final* play-off picture - MONDAY
Followup-To: rec.games.netrek
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 04:43:44 GMT

sjsmith@cs.umd.edu (Stephen Joseph Smith) writes:
>
>COMBINED INL*-NIT** PLAY-OFF SEEDINGS
>
>Seed Div Team                            Record  PF PA GF GA MGF MGA
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1.  E   Illuminus Cartel                4-0     77  3  2  0 125   0
> 2.  W   Lagg U.                         4-0     64 15  1  0  53   0
 
woo WOO guys.  Good luck against TTWNN. :)

> 9.  W   Hell's Bagels                   2-2     44 35  1  0  30   0 
>10.  E   The Angry Men                   2-2     40 40  2  2  90 229
>11.  W   'Tis Only a Flesh Wound         2-2     44 36  2  1  80  30 
>12.  W   12 Angry Men: Next Generation   2-2     40 40  1  1 100  90 

Top of our bracket!  Fame, fortune, PRODUCT ENDORSEMENTS!

>FIRST ROUND

>12 Angry Men: Next Generation at Hell's Bagels
>'Tis Only a Flesh Wound at The Angry Men

Look at all the anger.  But it's time to heal the divisiveness
in our country -- to come together -- to bring netrek back to
world-wide preeminence.  And what better instrument of love and
understanding than flame-red hebrew chow?

>- Gamera, ENPN director

hey, by the way, who made *you* director?

rear ensign sunscreamer
minister of john f. kennedy, HELL'S BAGELS
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From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Subject: Re: NEW RSA SERVER!!!!!!!!
Followup-To: rec.games.netrek
Keywords: yep
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 01:06:25 GMT

adc@tardis.msu.edu writes:

>aqw@cs.bham.ac.uk (Andy Williams) writes:

>> BUT: onto the real question -
>> what are server admins supposed todo about RSA blessed clients (
>> if they want to support them) if the're not in the US???? 
>> 
>> Andy.

>According to Jonathan Hardwick, netrek's Rush Limbaugh [...]

Wait, does that make you netrek's Chicken Little?

>, you don't need
>to worry about those silly little US export restrictions.  Just get
>some system administrator to put his/her job on the line and distribute
>the patented code, classified by the US governtment as munitions, via
>anonymous ftp.  No one's going to care.  Really, Jonathan said it was
>OK.

Weirdly enough, I didn't get the article in which Jonathan raved
on about the "US governtment" and putting one's job on the line for
netrek.  Could you post it again for us less fortunate?

>I reccomend that we port the RSA code to use PGP, which happens to be
>freely available on the entire planet, and distribute the
>authentication code sans PKE.

"we"?

I know you're the Voice of Doom on this one, and I fully expect that
you'll send this mail to root@nsa with a recommendation of a security
check and a holding cell, but unless you actually write some code,
you're part of the problem.

As it turns out, it is exceedingly simple for the non-US netrek
server owners to write code to ignore the RSA client authentication
procedure and simply use whatever the heck they want to use --
PGP, reserved.c, Tricky Questions, etc.  But since you volunteered
to do it along with your heavy tale of woe and perpetual damnation,
I look forward to seeing the code soon.

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From: mdm@stegosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: netrek escapism (was Re: The use of profanity)
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:56:33 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science

In article <BxM8sy.Mto.2@cs.cmu.edu> jch+@cs.cmu.edu (Jonathan Hardwick) writes:
>Oh puhleeze.  You mean to say that "mature and responsible adults"
>can't have periods of escapism?  That they have to "deal with it
>early", before becoming mature and responsible?
>

	Hmmm... all I got out of it was something I've known for quite
some time.  That escapism is fine if not abused, but when it begins
to affect your real life in adverse ways (like: gee, I flunked my
homework assignment because I played netrek 40 hours this weekend) then
it is dangerous.

	I am always most happy in the end if I limit my netrek playing
to specific times.  I don't generally succeed in resisting, but when
I do I am most satisfied with myself.  I know plenty of people who
do this, friends who have families and who are twice my age.  They
know how to have fun and how to be responsible at the same time.  I
envy them, and I'm still trying to achieve the same balance myself.  

	-Michael )Ged(

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