From: adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu (Alan D. Cabrera)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: The use of profanity
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:55:34 GMT
Reply-To: adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University

In article 2@cs.cmu.edu, hill@norman.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Hill) writes:
>Alan writes
>> > That's odd...I was always taught not to judge people...unfortunately 
>> > you grow up and learn differently.
>> 
>> Cute, so you don't judge people.  Not even me, right?  Even now, as you
>> read this, I am writting to the Pope to have you cannonized.
>
>Er, no.  Do you know how to read?  All those flames caused your eyes to  
>erode?  You said you were taught to judge people by their actions.  I said  
>I was taught not to judge people.  Both of us (and virtually everyone)  
>does judge people in one way or another (see above where I say "you grow  
>up and learn differently").  I just thought it was odd that you were  
>taught to judge people.  Pretty indicative of your peronality, eh?

No one taught you to judge a person by his/her actions and not by their
words, ever?  I for one will never let my kids go to school in
Pennsylvania. :-)  The pronoun was you and the message was directed
toward me is I made a concenptual leap, which I'm sure you'll all agree
is pretty hard for me to do, and thought the pronoun meant me.  If it
was meant to be a general comment on life then I apologize.

>
>> > Speaking of actions, alan....grrr....
>> 
>> Yes and I understand that your anger stems from the fact that I didn't
>> follow the advice in the condescending personal email that you sent
>> me.  Hmmmm.
>
>My email was neither condescending, nor abusive.  Did you see any  
>profanity?  I merely stated my opinion that discussions related to the  
>future of rec.games.netrek should be on rec.games.netrek.  I furthur  
>stated that I felt that your proposal didn't have the needed support to  
>pass.  You're right, alan, that is *really* condescending....(HUGE) NOT!   

Abusive?  I said condescending.  To be condescending one does not
necessarily have to use profanity or be abusive.  The begining of your
letter was pleasant it was the ending that I resented (see below).

>I have never said anything inpolite to you, and even warned you that you  
>were going to take alot of shit for your proposal.  I don't remember the  
>entire context, but there's no need to lie about it...geez.

Oh gee, so you sent me, the person who "seem(s) like a nice reasonable
guy", the mail message to save me from taking a lot of crap; as if I
didn't know that I was going to get crap from the beginning?  The
history of r.g.n is people giving other people alot of crap.  So you
were magnanimois enough to send me your kind, sweet, message to save me
from the from the horrors of the rath of r.g.n.  This is what I meant
by condescending.  And because I didn't follow your advice you get
angry with me.

The intent behind posting the RFD, in and of itself, wasn't wrong.  I
thought it was the way to get a discussion rolling (and boy did it ever
get rolling!).  I acknowlege that the overwhelming majority of the
discussion was against the split but that's not the point.  I never
said that I would be the sole moderator.  I only put myself in as a
placeholder.  How was I supposed to ask if anyone wanted to be a
moderator if I was told not to discuss it until I posted an RFD?
Finally, I even asked for others and even said that the more the
better.  So what actions are left except that I didn't do things the
way you wanted me to do?

>I *can* show you condescending if you would like.  I frankly don't give a  
>shit what you do...I kindof hope you do take your little stupid proposal  
>to a CFV so it can be voted down.  Even if it won, do you think I would be  
>adversely effected somehow?  My life doesn't revolve around this or any  
>other newsgroup.  Get a grip, alan!

An example of an angry paragraph, not a condescending paragraph.

>By the way, alan, this was posted before I sent any email your way.  Maybe  
>if you would read rec.games.netrek as often as you boot people off  
>discovery for profanity, you would be up to date.  

You've obviously neglected to read my previous posts or chose not to
reference them to your advantage.  The University server was sick.
Also, I've only booted one person off of discovery and only after
repeated warnings.  But you didn't bother to obtain the facts did you?

Robert, you were VERY polite.  But, you were still condescending.


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