From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Adepti/Magister Formulae and Great Persons
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 13:20:50 PST
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9212.30 e.v.


Ladislas and I had the following exchange:

Ladislas:
...the many unerving details of his
life (as described in the gospels) that abound with similarities to parts of
the magister and events in the apprenticeship of the Adept.


Thyagi:
I WOULD like to hear what details of the Jesus myth correspond with the
magister and adepti formulae.  Since Jesus was probably a composite of
many mystery-cult protagonists (Osiris, for example), it is not surprising
that he would retain such symbolic associations.  I'd like to discuss
these if you're game.  Perhaps a different thread is necessary, however.
Then I'd love to examine Buddha's life and Muhammed's and others, if you've
the time.


Ladislas:
Some of the more important (evident) hints are: the last supper, the wedding
at Cana, the feeding of the masses (the fish and bread multiplication), the
crucifiction, to name but a few.

Here's how I establish the correspondances:

the wedding at Cana:  wine is running out and Jesus ask for jugs of water
which he changes into wine.  A perfect example of transmutation, wouldn't
you say?  Well it may be that only, but it may also symbolize a part of
the magister when the white powder is transformed into the red projection
stone.

the feeding of the masses:  a crowd of people has come to hear Jesus preach.
They are growing hungry.  He multiplies bread and fish to feed all.  This
might be seen as the multiplication of the stone.  After the Adept has
complete the magister, the next step is to multiply his stone.

the last supper and the crucifition:  bread and wine for a last meal is not
my idea of the last meal I'd want.  The elixir is (according to various
authors on the subject) a grain of stone in a glass of wine.  The stone is
white for this preparation.  Note that in the catholic ritual of the 
communion, those that attend the mass eat the waffer while the priest 
crumbles a larger one into a chalice filled with wine.  Note also that the
ritual also has a part where white and red wine are mixed.

So if the last supper symbolic of the taking of the elixir, the crucifiction
is the next step for the Adept: the effects of the elixir on his metabolism.
Accounts vary little on such effects:  high fever, loss of hair, teeth and
nails.  After a certain period, the hair, the teeth and the nails grow back
healthier.  The Adept has performed his transmutation and now looks younger.

========================== end of our discussion.


What I'd like to propose is this:

First, can someone define as clearly as possible the formulae
for the Adepti and Magister?  If nobody bites on this I may have
to revisit _Magick in Theory and Practice_ for some quotes.
Elsewise perhaps we can drop this thread.

Second, can anybody detail the major events, in chronological 
order, of several great persons?  Examples:

The Christ (Jesus) 
The Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama) 
Lao Tzu
Joan d'Arc
Katherine the Great
Mother Theresa
Muhammed
Baha'ulla
Moses
Cleopatra
The Virgin Mary
Mary Magdelene


With these we can make a formal comparison, especially the first couple.
Thanks for your efforts if you go through the trouble.  Elsewise I leave
this as a project for future completion.


Thyagi