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From: REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Macs vs. PC's (or... I want the best of both worlds!)
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:06:35 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System


   Flame retardant suit on?   Check!...
  OK- here goes.  I love the Mac - for what it was intended as.  The
seemless integration of software & hardware, etc.  The fact that even
Microsoft can write GOOD software for it, etc.  Windows and Word for
Windows are (currently) shallow imitations of the Mac version.  Computer
Associates should be shot for that shoddy piece of shit they pawned off
as a Windows version of Cricket Graph.....   For these reasons (and
Superpaint, which noone has matched on the PC) I will never forsake the
MAC (completely).

   The Mac's weak points are (for the "affordable" models) the inability
to customize the hardware.  Data acquisition on the Mac is as tedious
as data & report presentation on the PC.  Also the dreadfully slow
execution time.  (this normalized to price...)  A Mac Clasic II is roughly
equivalent (in intention) to a 386SX-16.  By the time you add an operating
system, they both run you about $1200.  With the PC, you have EXPANSION
slots, you can make something of it! (OTOH, I'm buying a Clasic II to work
on my dissertation & research proposals - I still don't own a PC.)
   So, OK. At the low end, Apple has taken a bite out of their prices...
I understand a Quadra is a $10000 system!  For this, I can buy two (yes
2) 486/50 EISA systems with 676MB hard drives and truecolor video (on an
NEC 3FGx)!  Come on Apple, your software is good but not that good.
   So, my point?  Mac customers had better do some serious looking at
what they sacrifice in order to obtain such slick & easy use.  Why do you
let Apple charge you so much for so little?  I think Win32 (NT for PC's)
is going to put a serious dent in Apple's profit margin.  It's too bad,
from a programmer's poin of view, the 68000 family is a better
architecture than the 80x86!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac
From: edcrwfrd@unlv.edu (Edward Crawford)
Subject: Re: IIsi vs new Macs - should I wait?
Organization: UNLV
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 05:37:07 GMT


>>>
    Also, System 7.0.x is STILL buggy! 
<<<

System 7.0.x is much more stable for me than system 6.0.x ever was.
Programs crash less, when they do every now and then i can recover,
and when I run system 7 without all the junk extensions i almost never
crash...

You should never make blanket statements... especially on UseNet  :)
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Installing 4MEG SIMMS on LC
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:29:05 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

u921470@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Anthony Chan) writes:

>I'm purchasing two X 4Mb Simms for the LC (to upgrade to 10 meg)
>Someone told me that I may have to take out a resistor or something before
>installing them.  Is that true?
>He has a Mac Plus and said that to put new SIMMS in his machine he need to
>do this.
>I've looked inside my LC and it looks just like a simple job of uncliping the 
>clasps, taking out my 2 old 1 meg SIMMS and adding new ones

    There is no register to worry about in an LC. However, it is
important to have Low-Profile 4MB SIMMs for them to fit properly. The
standard height 4MB SIMMs will fit in to the LC but whem you close the
case one of the little plastic stalagmites will be pressed against the
corner of one of the SIMMs. It will work fine, but if you can avoid this
pressure problem then I recommend doing so.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jimy@vlsidsp.ece.wisc.edu (Yu)
Subject: Re: Another Sony CPD1302 Problem...
Organization: Univ. Wisconsin - Madison
Distribution: comp
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:42:06 CDT
Followup-To: jimy@eckert.ece.wisc.edu

In article <22179@venera.isi.edu> jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes:
>
>I've begun having this odd problem with my (4-5 year-old) CPD1302.
>Occasionally, the display will just shut down.  There's nothing I can
>do to make it come back, except turn off the monitor, then turn it
>back on.  Then it'll work fine, occasionally reverting once or twice
>shoprtly after being turned on, but sooner or later, it will just stay
>on as normal.
>
>this doesn't happen every time I use it (which is daily), or even
>every week, but occasionally.
>
>Any idea what the problem might be?
>
This problem is identical to one experienced by Apple 13" RGB monitors
(also made by Sony). 
The culprit is a faulty high-voltage capacitor.
For those who don't yet know, Apple has extended the repair warranty
for this particular problem, for all 13" color monitors manufactured
from March/90 to July/91.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: sold@kit.uni-kl.de (Christoph Sold)
Subject: Re: Apple CD ROM.  How old is old?
Organization: Universitaet Kaiserslautern
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:38:03 GMT

In article <4365@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> stump1@pitt.edu (Robert E Mitchell) writes:
>Subject: Apple CD ROM.  How old is old?
>From: stump1@pitt.edu (Robert E Mitchell)
>Date: 6 Aug 92 16:37:46 GMT
>
>	Hey all, I've got this little problem.  A department I'm working
>with has a brnad new IIci with 7.01 hooked to an OLD Apple CD-ROM
>box.  The CD ROM has no letering on it what-so-ever.  Just the apple
>logo.  It's connected correctly via SCSI (ID's are all set right)
>and the latest ver sion of Apples drivers are tucked away in the system
>folder.  After startup, the Mac can see the drive out there on the SCSI
>chain.  But when I try to insert a CD, it takes it, contemplates  
>reading it for a few seconds, and then spits it right back out.  Every
>time.  I just cant mount a disk to save my life!!!  I tried everything
>I know.  Anyone out there have any ideas?  I'd REALLY appreciate it.
>
>Thanks....
>
>
>				Stump.

Two things to check for:
1) Has your CD ROM a fan? If so, very bad. Take the drive to some 
sophisticated support poeple. They disconnect the fan, and clean the lens 
from the dust blown onto it from the fan. From this point, the drive will 
work. (That happened to mine.)

2) Are you working in a very humid environment? If so, cooling effects can 
cause condesing water on the lens. Same effect as above, but differnet 
solution: Don't work in a refrigerator! :-) (That does not happen to me.)

-Christoph

Christoph P. Sold                   CATS Software GmbH
                                    Mussbacher Landstr.2
                                    W-6730 Neustadt (Weinstrasse)
ger.xse0035@applelink.apple.com     Germany

"If an apple is fun, what the heck is an appletree?"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: kellys@orac.holonet.net (Kelly Schwarzhoff)
Subject: System 6.0.6???
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 20:19:43 GMT

I was just reading Newsbytes and read an article in which a program recommends
System 6.0.6 or higher.  Question:  I know abou System 6.0.5 and System 6.0.7,
but what exactly is the difference between 6.0.5 and 6.0.6?  I don't remember
ever hearing about 6.0.6.


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From: gregt@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gregory M Ferrar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Problem:  SE formats HD floppy as DD, but LC rejects it...why?
Date: 17 Aug 1992 16:57:45 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

>>> What I have done is take a HD floppy and format it on an SE, which
>>> formats it as an 800k floppy.  I then take it to my LCII and it
>>> wants to initialize the floppy since it thinks it has been
>>> incorrectly format.
>>>   ...
>>> Should the LCII be smart enough to realize the floppy is a 
>>>
>> The only way the LC knows what size floppy you insert is by mechanically
>> sensing the "extra" hole.  Hole == HD floppy.  You'd get the same results
>> trying it in one of the later SEs with the HD floppy drive.
>
> I know that the behavior described is indeed the way the Mac
> does things, but it seems kind of silly.  DOS machines routinely
> "adapt" to the format of the floppy inserted into the drive,
> provided the drive is capable of writing the format the disk is
> using.  My 1.4 MB drive has no problem at all recognizing and properly
> using 720K diskettes without being told which it is.

The mac does this too-- if you put an 800K disk in a SuperDrive it reads it
fine.  The problem is when you format a HD floppy as an 800K floppy (a bad idea
anyway) and then put it in a SuperDrive.  The SuperDrive assumes that since
it looks like a HD floppy, it should be formatted like a HD floppy, and thus
interprets the 800K formatting as an error.  Now it would be nice if it took
things a step further, and did one further test to see if it was a HD floppy
formatted as 800K, but I don't think my DOS drive does that either.  And if
it did that, it should also be able to read 800K floppies (unnotched) formatted
like HD floppies (i.e. cut out the notch, format it, and tape over the notch.
Which is getting a little ridiculous.

  -Greg Ferrar (gregt@function.mps.ohio-state.edu)

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From: John.Hirsch@mixcom.mixcom.com (John.Hirsch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Problem: SE formats HD floppy as DD, but LC rejects it...why?
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:01:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: mixcom.1992Aug19.220117.5119
Distribution: usa
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.

In <1992Aug19.065909.8175@uwasa.fi> te@uwasa.fi (Tuomas Eerola) writes:

>In article <1992Aug18.155953.28970@src.honeywell.com> kanefsky@src.honeywell.com (Steve Kanefsky) writes:
>>
>>There are definitely faults on both sides:
>>
>>On the Mac side, you might format an HD disk as 800K, then put it in a mac
>>with an HD drive which won't recognize it.  If you're smart, you know to
>>just cover the hole and if you're not, you know immediately that something's
>>gone wrong.  Also, this only happens when you use Macs which have been
>>long since discontinued in combination with newer Macs.
>>
>Covering the hole is an easy thing to do, just a piece of tape but look
>that is also comes out with disk.

>Why would anyone pay extra for HD disk and format it as DD ?
>Should mac be more clever than user?

  I belive the original author was referring to formatting a HD floppy on
a Plus or an SE (old one), which didn't have a SuperDrive.  So, the Mac
couldn't be "more clever" because it was incapable of formatting the disk
as anything other than 400k or 800k.  A Mac with a SuperDrive won't let you
format a HD floppy as anything other than 1.4 MB, unless you cover the hole.
(Or maybe Apple File Exchange lets you do it?)

>Tuomas
-- 
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Hi there.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: weigert@etlhit.etl.go.jp (Thomas Weigert)
Subject: Re: Comments on 3rd Party Keyboards - Mac 101E, etc.
Reply-To: weigert@mcs.anl.gov
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba-shi, Japan
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:21:48 GMT

AM> I'm deciding between the Mac-101E and MacPro Plus

AM> If anybody has either, please give me a review. I'm leaning
AM> towards the 101E cause it gives you a discount on quickeys.

I really like DataDesk's 101. Unfortunately, the model I bought had some
minor incompatibilities with A/UX, and thus I ended up returning it (after
having used their older model for several years). At that time (fall '91)
DataDesk was not committed to the HW upgrade necessary to fix the problem. 

Cheers, Thomas.


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From: ckloeden@f.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Craig Kloeden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 8-bit or 24-bit, that is the question...
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:22:14 GMT
Organization: University of Adelaide
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1



In article <howarth.714013687@proto> Jack W. Howarth, howarth@rice.edu
writes:
>  Well, now that I have settled on my monitor (a Sony 1304S), I am trying
>to decide whether the extra $200 is worth it to get a Xceed Macro 30
graphics
>board for my SE/30 rather than the 8 bit Xceed 30 board. I am curious
>to hear about real world uses for the 24 bit board and the relative speed
>hit on the SE/30 between 8 and 24 bit color graphics. Oh, I will be in
32 bit
>mode with 8 meg RAM/16 Meg VM. I suspect that a minority of programs will
>make use of 24 bit graphics. I don't have a DW C (just the old DW) so my
>uses for color would be more on screen than for hardcopy. Actually, I
would
>use it mainly for molecular graphics and scientific data analysis so I
>suspect 8 bit is enough. Just wanted to check the current conventional
wisdom.
>             Jack

I have the Xceed Macro 30 on my SE/30.
Most of the time I run it in 8 bit mode because of the speed hit of 24bit
mode (about 3 times slower for screen redrawing). The slowing is noticable
with lots of windows redrawing although sometimes I have to pull a menu
down to check if I am in 24bit.

However, I would not trade the ability to do 24-bits for anything (well
almost anything). Viewing JPEG images (the proper ones, not the
redone 8bit ones) is an experience with a very large GeeWizz factor.
QuickTime movies are really a waste of time without 24bit color.
They don't look any good in 8 bits and are in fact slower in playing
than in 24bits.

For a trully amazing artistic experience try playing with some of
the 24bit graphics programs in 24bit mode. PhotoShop is *really*
impressive in 24bits.

I would recommend spending the extra few hundred dollars on 24 bits
because there are very noticable differences that you can see now
and I am sure there will be more as time goes on.

     Craig

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: cramer@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Cramer)
Subject: First boot after powerup fails
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:40:40 GMT


Greetings all,
My MacII has been behaving strangely for the past few months. Before
I tow it to the shop, has anyone out there seen these symptoms?

	1. I turn on the power strip to the equipment
	2. I start the computer by pressing the keyboard switch
	3. The computer starts.
	4. The happy mac appears.
	5. The startup message appears.
	6. The startup message is replaced by a message stating
	   that there has been a bad instruction (or sometimes
	   it says that there's been a bus error).  The dialog
	   also suggests that I start with the appropriate keys
	   depressed such that system extensions are turned off.
	7. I power the unit down.
	8. I restart by pressing the keyboard switch.
	9. The computer boots fine just as though nothing
	   bad error happened.

Leaving power strip on overnight does not change the problem.
Pressing the reset key does not make the problem go away.  Booting
from floppy doesn't change the problem.  If I start by pressing the
switch on the back of the unit, the happy mac icon is replaced by
the sad mac icon and the code 0000003F 000000FF.  I have tried 
reseating everything not bolted down (the cpu, the ram, the nubus
cards, the disk cables, etc) to no avail.

Does any of this sound familiar?  If so, please followup or send
me email.

Regards,
Bill Cramer

251 West Central Street, Suite 142	| "You can buy better, 
Natick, MA 01760 USA			|    but you just can't pay more."
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From: John_Shepardson.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu (John Shepardson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Quadra Video Problem
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:36:46 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: slac

In article <1992Aug19.013305.12463@tc.cornell.edu>,
silber@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Jeffrey Silber) wrote:
> 
> I upgraded my Quadra 700 to the fullest possible amount of VRAM.  I'm fairly
> confident that the VRAM is of the right type and that the SIMMS are in 
> properly.  When I powered up my monitors control panel gave me the option
> of 'millions' of colors.  When I select it my Apple Hi-res monitor goes
> crazy ... thin vertical lines about two thirds across the screen, ghost
> images about three inches to the right.  If I switch back to 256 it is
> fine.  I'm using the built in video card.

Take it to your dealer.  The monitors extension recognizes the new memory,
so the SIMMS are probably seated correctly.  Could be a problem on the
motherboard.


-------------------------------------------
John_Shepardson.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: dchopp@vicente.math.ucla.edu (David Chopp)
Subject: Mac II differences
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 23:22:32 GMT

I may be the only one that's confused, but could someone please tell me,
very roughly, what the difference is between all the Mac II's.  So far I've
seen IIx, IIfx, IIcx, IIci, IIsi, and now IIvx, IIvi.  Is there some
hierarchy of capabilities and compatibility?  I don't really want a
detailed analysis, just a rough idea of how they compare.  Thanks...

Dave Chopp
dchopp@math.ucla.edu
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From: oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: IIsi vs new Macs - should I wait?
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:04:18 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:
: eafu039@orion.oac.uci.edu (Wayne Chen) writes:
: 
: >Keep one more thing in mind, the IIsi and the IIci can run System 6.x
: >(the si can only run 6.07 and later) while the new machine will only be
: >able to run system 7 and later.  This may be a disadvantage for some
: >people.
: 
:     While I agree that this could be useful information to keep in mind,
: how in the world could this be "a disadvantage for some people"?

  What about those who DON'T WANT to upgrade to system 7 ?. I have a bunch
  of programs forwhich i can't afford the system7 upgrade, that's why i'm
  keeping a floppy with system 6.0.8.
: 
: 
: 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky)
Subject: Re: Mac II differences
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:56:42 GMT

In article <ha#nk0a.bskendig@netcom.com>,
bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
>
>                CPU     Speed   Coproc-         Int
>Machine         68xxx   (MHz)   essor?  Slots   mike?
>
>II              020     16      yes     6       no
>IIx             030     16      yes     6       no
>IIvi            030     16      no      3       yes
>IIcx            030     20      yes     3       no
>IIsi            030     20      no      1       yes
>IIci            030     25      yes     3       no
>IIvx            030     32      yes     3       yes
>IIfx            030     33      yes     6       no
>
>Now where did I go wrong?  ;)
>
IIcx             030     16 (not 20)
IIfx             030     40 (not 33)

Not bad for from memory, though.

Mark Rogowsky
rogo@forsythe.stanford.edu
From: MARTYZ@IDUI1.CSRV.UIDAHO.EDU (Marty Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Help me understand Mac SCSI drives
Date: 18 Aug 1992 15:01:50 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I'm completely confused here: I'm trying to help someone who bought
a Conner 120M SCSI drive for an SE/30 to replace his dead 80M drive.
HD Setup (from System 6 or 7) can't find a SCSI drive on the system
when I try to initialize it.  Do I need some special software to do
the job?  Another friend recommended SF&I, but it comes set-up for
a Seagate(?) 20M drive, and I can't figure out the instructions well
enough to re-configure it for the Conner 120M.

Any advice?  Do I need commercial software?  Is there another
shareware package besides SF&I?  Easier to operate, if possible :-).
Is there some trick with the termination that I'm missing?

2nd problem: I'd like to move a 160M drive from a Quadra 900 to a
IIci as a replacement for its 80M drive.  Again, HD Setup says there
is no SCSI drive to initialize when I get to that step.  The local
Apple sales rep says it should work, but there may be termination
problems because the 160M was from a "dual-SCSI" system.

Thanks in advance for any tips.  All of the Apple tech reps in the
Pacific Northwest are in training this week.  Just my luck.

Marty Zimmerman                 Bitnet:   martyz@idui1
                                Internet: martyz@idui1.csrv.uidaho.edu
University of Idaho
Moscow, Idaho, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: pjones@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Peter Jones)
Subject: Wanted: HP LaserJet IIID Print Drivers ?
Keywords: HP LaserJet Mac Print Drivers
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:55:41 GMT

Has anyone had experience with using an HP LaserJet printer with a Mac?

We have a LaserJet IIID with a PostScript cartridge.
Since it has no inbuilt appletalk the Apple LaserWriter driver won't work.
Are there drivers available for this printer (serial or network)?

Thanks,

Peter A. Jones
  Computing Systems Officer
  School of Business and Law
  University of Tasmania
Phone: (002) 202093
Internet: pjones@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au