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From: grier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier)
Subject: Falcon Sighting (Developer Unit) in NH
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:07:08 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research

I recently received a couple phone calls from members of the 
ST group I used to belong to in New Hampshire. The Falcon had
been demonstrated at the monthly meeting and needless to say
every I spoke with was extremely impressed.

Frank Palowski, creator of OutBurST, demonstrated his FALCON 
030 to the Nashua Area ST Users Society, NASTUS. Frank 
demonstrated the bundled software and a few of ST programs.
The two people I spoke with were amazed at the performance.
One of the people I spoke with owns a TT with 4meg of ST ram
and said he felt the Falcon was the equivalent of his TT, running
PageStream in 640x480 with 16 colours. Franks system has 14mb/65megHd.

Frank did not demonstrate Multi-Tos, no reason given.

From what I know of 68030 implementations and what I've read 
here, and from Atari on the Falcon, the performance reports
are about what I expected.

Another good sign is that developers like Frank have Falcons. There
have been lots of complaints, here and on GEnie, about developers not
being able to get Falcons.

Brian, WS1S (ST/TT User)
Bell Northern Research
Research Triangle Park, NC
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: What is Going On???? Was: 800 birds to
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:17:18 GMT

In article 2438847@under.mind.ORG, Steve_Johnson@under.mind.ORG () writes:
>According to Jim Allen of Fast Tech., he's heard that Atari 
>warehouses ARE filling up with Falcon030's.  As has been said 
>before, Atari will be producing machines and stockpiling them to 
>ensure supply when the machine's actually released. 
>

I can confirm Jim's rumor.  However, _some_ of those initial machines received
from the Taiwan plant had to be returned due to failure to meet specs.  Atari
claims that they have that situation resolved now.  At any rate, those waiting
patiently (or not so patiently) for a Falcon won't have to wait much longer.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: alrashi@ecf.toronto.edu (AL RASHID SHAHIR)
Subject: Re: Canadian support was: Re: RFD: What to do with
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:04:55 GMT

In article <74045@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Sorry, but I can't remember Mr. BobR's original question.
>
>The question was, why would a retailer be "anti-Anything" that
>he sells..?
> 
>(Unless it was the other unanswered question, which was, where
>did you buy your Falcon..?)
> 
>BobR

Hokay. I'm not trying to flame here, just answering the question.
Point one: They're still selling Atari's. I never said they totally stopped
           selling them. In fact, I think they still have a healthy
           turnover there...
Point two: They advocate using the Mac more than they recommend using the
           Atari.
Point 3  : Most musician's are not too fussy about which computer they use,
           as long as it doesn't cost too much, and it has suitable software.

Seemingly irrelevant points? I say nay!! Let me explain.
The store does not reccomend Atari because of its price tag. It is a lot 
cheaper than the Mac (I'm not talking about list price - I'm talking about
their prices). And yes, I have been there to compare the prices...(not too
recently, though). They claim that the sequencer's on the Atari are inferior
and limited although they're not (they used to compare both computers, where
the Atari would run rings around the Mac - again, THEY demonstrated this.)

So as for the question, IMHO, a retailer could become (and in this case, HAS)
"anti-Anything" if there were significant monetary gains to be considered.
One more point, the store has been selling Atari's for a long time, so if
there were any dissatisfaction with Atari (they order the computers from
Sunnyvale) they would have dropped Atari long ago. 
Atari's used to sell a lot ---> They actively backed it.
Mac's are very popular now ---> They actively back it (to gain monetary profit)
                                But they must actively dis-support Atari in
                                order to win their customer's over to the
                                Mac side.
There! Those were the gist of my rants.
All this, is an EDUCATED opinion. After all, I know some people involved AND
I know some musicians involved. Nowhere did I hear that they were having 
problem's with Atari Corp.

Via con Dios.
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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: floptical advice please!
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:09:00 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) writes:

>One word of caution however... flopticals are nifty but they are s-l-o-w
>compared to the speed and convenience of a typical hard disk.  I think they
>would be great for backups but not ideal for your primary storage device.
>This is IMHO and others here may voice different opinions, of course.

I'd like to hear those opinions.

I have been looking a tape back-up units, and my feeling is "old technology".

The *ONLY* use for a tape-backup unit is using tapes to backup file.

But a floptical could be used for less-often run programs, or other
files that, while they don't really need to live on my hard-disk,
I wouldn't want them OFF it and stuffed away on a tape somewhere.

My current set-up is an ICD host adaptor, a SCSI drive, and power
supply (I opted against the "wire running from the ST's power-supply
set-up for just this reason: adding more devices) - what do I
need to add - just a floptical drive???

Any help would be ENORMOUSLY appreciated.

Oh, also - whatever I do, it will need to be portable to the Falcon -
I know the ICD adaptor will be pretty obsolete for the Falcon, since
it has SCSI-II built in, but I'd like to avoid buying anything else
that won't transport across.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: 14.4 modem - What handshaking to use?
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wells)
Date: 24 Jan 1993 01:11:36 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Using 9600bps or higher, on Atari's, requires the program 'SERFX'
(or whatever it is).  'Serial Fix' just adjusts the Handshaking,
so it's a bit more stable!  

(It works - if you don't have that, or Turbo-CTS, then get it!)

Should be available at all good FTP sites!


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From: frank@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: GIF viewers and GIF89a
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:54:31 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: frankpc.jpl.nasa.gov

I've been putting together an anonymous ftp site to distribute,
among other things, GIF files of images from JPL's space
missions.  Besides the picture files we would also like to offer
people shareware/freeware GIF viewers for various platforms,
including Atari.

From the faq for alt.binaries.pictures.utilities, I see some
recommendations for Atari GIF viewers.  However, it does not make
it clear whether these viewers will work with GIF89a files; on
other platforms, many viewers bomb when trying to view a GIF89a
file.  (The main thing about GIF89a is that the file contains an
embedded caption in the form of a "comment extension block." 
Files under the previous GIF87a standard just had the image.)

I don't have access to an Atari, and so I wonder if anyone can
recommend which GIF viewers do or don't work with GIF89a files. 
(If you need to get your hands on a GIF89a file you can visit our
ftp site, pubinfo.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.6.2); the GIFs, all of
which are GIF89a with embedded captions, are in the directory
/images.)

Thanks much if anyone can make any comment.

Frank
frank@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: tb1153@csc.albany.edu (BEIDEL TIMOTHY)
Subject: Help setup modem
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: comp
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:51:05

A friend at SUNY-Albany would like to use his 520ST as a terminal to work
off the school's UNIX cluster. I have been pleasantly surprised by the 
machine but don't know anything about it. 

1. What cable should be used to connect the 25-pin "modem" port
   to the external Hayes-compatible modem?
2. Is there shareware that can enable him to emulate a VT100
   and use Kermit protocol?
3. Where to find good shareware.

He has a double-sided 3.5 inch disk drive, which I assume is 720K.
A user in the Netherlands tells me that the machine could probably
read IBM formatted disks (since I will have to download it and
get it to him somehow).

All help appreciated.
--
Tim Beidel
Albany, NY
tb1153@csc.albany.edu
71064.2106@compuserve.com
From: jansteen@cwi.nl (Jan van der Steen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Profibuch (was Julian Reschke involved...)
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:40:51 GMT

avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl (Annius Groenink) writes:
>In <8701@charon.cwi.nl> jansteen@cwi.nl (Jan van der Steen) writes:
>>
>>Jan van der Steen (anyway a profibuch owner)
>>
>I'm sure you're copy of the profibuch is in Dutch! Which I find striking
>considering the current discussion.  I mean THAT wasn't necessary AT ALL!

I don't know what gave you the idea that my copy is in Dutch? It isn't.

Jan van der Steen

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From: molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ISO, Atari Corporate History material
Date: 22 Jan 1993 05:19:53 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ptb.cl.msu.edu

gmg@unify.com (Gary M. Gealy) writes:

>  Can anyone out there point me in the right direction for some information on
Atari corporate history?

Bright in the mid 80s, went down the shitter after that...

Thanks to the Tramiels.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is there SLIP software for the ST?
From: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:45:54 +1200
Reply-To: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz
Organization: Equinox Networks (Public access), Node: Yonder
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992

In <1993Jan24.062650.12340@zooid.guild.org>, Mike Stramba writes:
> Is anyone using / know where I can find SLIP software for the ST?

I think this is what you want,  TCP/IP software right?

if so,...

ftp.tu-clausthal.de  (139.174.1.3)
 /pub/atari/telecomm/tcpip/

Index         Index
ka9q_st.lzh   TCP/IP software
sticp.lzh     older TCP/IP software with better docs.


 Craig.

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From: michael.smith@f842.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (michael smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Fax-pollin with Atari ST?
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:29:54 GMT

Original to: UPS500@rhrz.uni-bonn.de
In a message of <11 Jan 93 18:18:00>, UPS500@rhrz.uni-bonn.de (3:713/602)
writes:

 U>  Hello everyone!
 U> 
 U>  I'd like to do fax-polling with an Atari ST, meaning to say
 U>  that I would like to find a configuration, allowing for a
 U>  data dialin while normally the computer is set to receive faxes.
 U> 
 U>  That way, a kind of remote controlled answering machine (only
 U>  for faxes instead of voice) could be realized.

I'm not entirely sure I comprehend this : Fax-polling is where you call
_out_ for faxes... However, if what you want is a setup where you can wait
for an incoming call, and then discriminate between fax and data calls, that
can be done quite easily.

 U>  Here's what I imagine possible solutions to the problem:
 U> 
 U> 
 U>  Variation 1.:
 U> 
 U>  A BBS-program which could activate a TTP automatically, as
 U>  soon as a fax-call is recognized as incoming.
 U>  My special problem here: The BBS program would HAVE to be able
 U>  to operate an AUTOANSWER modem, meaning to say that it should
 U>  react to a CONNECT 2400 - prompt (or whatever speed) rather
 U>  than a RING detect.

Um, or better still, it should detect the RING message, and issue an ATA
command. That way, if for any reason the system is down, the modem will not
answer, and people will not have to pay for failed calls.

What you need is a Fido-style frontend mailer.  On the ST, your best bet is
the utterly amazing BinkleyTerm.  Whilst this is wasting most of its
functionality, it is capable of doing what you want.  

Don't bother with any version less than 3, and try to get 3.02a or 3.03.

 U>  Variation 2.:
 U> 
 U>  A kind of accessory, allowing to load and interrupt the
 U>  BBS and the fax-programs alternatingly, all according to
 U>  a predifined timer. That would make it much safer to set up
 U>  a faxpolling-facility, since polling would only be possible
 U>  at certain times.

Bleagh. Bad karma - don't do it.

Bink also gives you total control over when it will accept calls and when it
will ignore them. As well, you can exit with any return code at any time.
The schedules are easily set up, and the documentation is excellent.

 U>  Should any of you have a solution to the problem on an ATARI,
 U>  please contact me.
 U>                                        Thanks
 U>  Markus Schlegel

If you're interested, I suggest you try contacting a local atari BBS.  If
you can't find one, let me know and I'll mosey throught the NeSTlist for you
for a Network/ST BBS near you. They'll almost certainly be using it, or
TheBOX, which might also do what you want. (I haven't used TB in years)

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From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Educational Discounts (was Canadian Support)
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:10:08 GMT

In article 9Cx@news2.cis.umn.edu, davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu () writes:
>
>I wouldn't sign up with "Joe's Bartender University" just yet, John, unless you
>WANT to become a bartender.. ;-)  The additional cost of tuition is going to
>eat up any savings you might obtain in purchasing an Apple Macintosh!

Drat!  There goes my master plan straight down the dunny!  :)

And thanks for the update on educational prices on those Apple systems, Dave.
That sounds a little more realistic than what was quoted earlier.

Too bad Atari can't (or won't) make similar arrangements, eh?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ADVOCACY: Prices, Prices, and more Prices.....
From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:20:16 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

	Well, I just received the recent Micro Center ad, and form the 
looks of the prices, I really don't see anyone buying a Falcon other then 
musicians.

	First, we have the Macs..... Hmmmmmm, a LC II with 4 megs of ram 
and 80 meg hard drive... $1190 (All prices I'm going to quote are without 
monitor, just to keep it in line with the Falcon without monitor) IIsi, 
same config, $1500.

	Oh, you don't like Macs. How about an Intel based machine.
MicroCenter doesn't even carry any 386 machines. (Except for notebooks.) A
Compaq Prolinea, with a 486sx, 120 meg hard drive, SVGA, and 4 megs of ram.
(Also a fax/modem) $1398! (Also included is one-year on-site support!!) 

	As much as I would like the Falcon to succeed, I don't see it 
having any sort of success anywhere but the musical world, and then only 
until a DSP card comes out for the Mac or Intel world. (And people use the 
argument that since they weren't built in, software won't support them. Is 
that why Miami here just bought 12 macs for use with Midi? Once a DSP card 
is released, support will follow)

(I'm not associated with Micro Center at all, and I'm not trying to be an 
advertisement, I just wanted people to see prices other than mail-order.)

Later.......

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: darekm@microsoft.com (Darek Mihocka)
Subject: Re: Yes, SXs are dogs
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:00:36 GMT
Organization: BraSoft

In article <18JAN93.17454267@cc4.crl.aecl.ca> csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca writes:
>I have a 386 @ 40 MHz with an AMAZING SVGA monitor - it sits idle
>while I run Pagestream or Calamus on my 8 MHz MegaST. Why, because
>I have struggled to find well priced, easy to use PC software with
>a consistent user interface that does not consume 200 MBytes of
>disk space to do the type of work I do on my ST so effortlessly
>and I could not.

So bag the ST altogether and spend $229 on the Gemulator. It will
allow you to run your Pagestream and take advantage of the VGA
graphics as well. You can't do that on an ST at any cost other than
of course blowing more bucks on a Falcon or TT just to get better
graphics.

- Darek


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From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: Leonoids (game for Dave Baggett)
	<74057@cup.portal.com>
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:54:42 EST

In <74057@cup.portal.com>, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
> Heh..   at one time I seriously considered doing a game to be
> titled "Escape from Rockville"...
>  
> Starring none other than "Neil Harass", and his willing
> puppet, "Darling"...
>  
> But then I decided I had better things to do...
>  
> Hmmm... but then again, with Game Workbench...

In the mean-time, you could work on it with Warwick's AMS library for
C++...

If somebody wants to pull the Leonard Tramiel graphic out of the
CodeHead product, I'll whip together a Lenny Invaders...  ;-)

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From: ern+@pitt.edu (Ernest J Obusek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Using PC hard drive with ST
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:41:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.2575
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: ern@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu

I have a 65 meg RLL hard disk that I recently removed from my 386 clone.  I
would like to use it with my Atari 1040ST.  I'll need a power supply, interface
card, and drivers, I would guess.  Does anyone sell kits for doing this?

Thanks for your help!

Ernest Obusek

ern+@pitt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Using Atari ST & UNIX-Box with NFS-Like software
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 09:41:58 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET International News Gateway in New Zealand

sledge@rama.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Thomas Bueschgens) writes:

> Hi folks,
> 
> I'm desperatly in search of a solution for my problem.
> At home I'm running a 486/33 with 16mb as an ISC-Unix box.
> But still there is my old atari-st with 1mb and a 50 mb harddisk,
> tied to my unix-box via rs232, using 19200 baud. so far, so good.
> 
> Using uniterm or any other terminal-soft it is possible to use the
> atari-harddisk for sources or seldom used resources.
> BUt this solution is not perfect. It must be possible to access the
> ataris HD directly from the AT, but how. 
> Something like a NFS should it be.
> So here my question to you atari-wizards (hope there are some):
> 
> Is there any PD-soft (or cheap soft) which covers my needs ??
> 
> _ANY_ help will be appreciated. 
> 
> answer via email, please. I'll post a summary, if desired.
 
 Well there is several solutions to that. You could always take the 
 hard disk out of the Atari and install in the 486 machine but this
 would cripple a great machine.
 
 We had a simular sort of think here where we wrote a serial server
 for the megas. However it was not perfect and tended to be a bit
 unreliable. 
 
 There is several other systems tried ka9q for slip? you could batch
 the slip requests ?


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From: abaddon@uk.ac.liverpool.scm.suprenum (Kevin o donovan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Fantasy Games
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:50:03 GMT
	<73642@cup.portal.com><OKES.93Jan17010249@SunLab41.essex.ac.uk>
	<JONT.93Jan20114907@ml.harlqn.co.uk> <74048@cup.portal.com>
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

Hmm, I can see why pure fighters couldn't make it, but I can't think why
pure magic users couldn't. Any chance of spilling the beans 8-)

On the subject of Dungeon master, was it actually possible to kill the Dark 
Lord by combat? I know they'd put an ending in where the white lord wiped
you out if you'd killed the dark lord, but was that for real?

Kev