HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Geoworks contact info?
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:07:58 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:


>>Are there any phone numbers, fax numbers, or addresses that Geoworks
>>would like us all to know?  I haven't really been able to find a whole lot
>>in the manuals, and even less in the way of department- or topic-specific
>>ones.

peter@m2xenix.psg.com responds:

      Latest order info for GeoWorks Products...

	   For Ordering Software and Updates ONLY!!
	       
		Call 1-800-824-4558 or you can
		FAX an order to 1-408-655-6098

		Address for mail orders:
		  GeoWorks Order Processing Center 
		  PO Box 3487
		  Salinas, CA 93912-3487
		       
			these are current as of 01-01-93





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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: System text size below "small"
Keywords: Ooh, a GeoDiscovery. ;)
Date: 9 Jan 93 05:46:11 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

I've come to the conclusion that it's possible to have system text (on 
menus and such) that's actually smaller than "small."

Typically, GEOS.INI contains the following lines for "small" text:
	[motif]
	fontsize = 10

However, you can change it to contain the line:
	fontsize = 9

Not really a huge difference, but a visible one, at least.  I tried going
to smaller sizes, but 9 appears to be the smallest available.

Changing the fontsize line at the beginning of GEOS.INI:
	[system]
	fontsize = 10

...doesn't seem to have any effect on the actual GUI font size.

Just another fun undocumented thing.

[Oh, for what it's worth - changing the fontid lines doesn't do anything.]

-Shag
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From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: GEOS company song? (Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?)
Summary: It's a joke son, you're s'pposed to laugh.
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:33:48 GMT

In article <Jan.8.21.41.15.1993.18671@pilot.njin.net>
birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
[...]
>Which, of course, Andrew's going to post, so we can all learn it and sing
>along, right? :)  
>
>... or is that protected under the non-disclosure agreement? ;)

Why don't you make one up and post it for the edification of all.

:-),
	John
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: GeoWorks support (was Re: Miscellany)
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:17:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.013701.8033@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:
>In article <9301111141.aa02636@pandora.sf.ca.us>
><pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us> writes:
>>   MY biggest gripe is the same ones I had when I uesd GEOS 128
>>   It cost me money to  get info about the product after the purchase.
>>   Great porgram not so great support
>
>There's a big difference (in my mind anyways) between crappy support (free
>or otherwise) and support that is of high quality but not free.

I've called GeoWorks support twice and I gotta agree with John.  From
what I've experienced, GeoWorks provides some pretty high-quality
support.  Neither of my calls was wasted, unlike some toll-free number
I've called.  (Of course, toll-free high-quality support would be
nice :-), but I guess YGWYPF.)

I spoke with Peter (Hollings? Hollingsworth?) both times I called.
The first time was when I had a corrupted GeoWrite file, and Peter
e-mailed me the BASIC source for SALVAGE.EXE, which solved my problem.
(John has since put an updated version on MIR.)

The second time was a couple of days ago, when I called to find out
why GEOS didn't work with Lan Workplace's TSU (a utility that makes a
TCP/IP connection look like a COM port).  Based on my experience with
other companies, I wasn't expecting much.  I was pleasantly surprised
when Peter gave me fairly detailed info on how GEOS checks for a COM
port, including some DEBUG commands to see what GEOS was looking at.
Pretty impressive when you consider that he's probably not a COM port
specialist.  (BTW, I still didn't get LWP to work with GEOS, but at
least I know why now.)


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From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: PCX pics
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:28:44 GMT

In article <102937.85543.431@kcbbs.gen.nz> Murray_Moffatt@kcbbs.gen.nz (Murray Moffatt) writes:
>How come GeoDraw will import _some_ .PCX picture files, but not others? 
>Are there different .PCX standards?
>

This is from the FAQ.  I hope it helps.

Q:  I'm having trouble importing graphics file into PC/GEOS.  
    Sometimes when I use the Import option in GeoDraw it refuses to 
    import the file.  Other times it will import it but the colors are 
    all screwed up.  What's going on?

A:  The problem is twofold.  First, PC/GEOS is currently limited to a 
    maximum of 16 colors.  If you try to import a file with more than 
    16 colors, GeoDraw gives you a message about an incompatible 
    bitmap.  Second, GeoDraw forces any picture you import to use the 
    PC/GEOS color palette instead of the palette embedded in the 
    picture itself.  This is what screws up the colors.

    You need to get a copy of the files piclb183.zip and ensembul.zip 
    from the /pub/geos directory of mir.eco.utexas.edu or from the
    GEOWORKS directory at Simtel.  Piclb183.zip contains a program
    called Piclab which is useful for manipulating GIF files.  Among
    other things, Piclab lets you alter the default color map of a GIF
    file, and lets you set the number of colors as well.  Ensembul.zip
    is a file containing information on how to use Piclab to convert
    your picture for use with GEOS. 

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From: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 09:01:20 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <Jan.4.14.00.03.1993.16963@pilot.njin.net>, birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>
>>think that by now Geoworks must have a fair idea of how far along the Beta
>>tests have gotten, so perhaps they could tell us whether the release is say,
>>three days away, or three months? 
>
>If the product entered Beta in September (as we have heard), the beta period
>could easily be 3 months, and just as easily could be 6 months.  So, it could
>be out next week, or it could be out in April.  Or the entire GeoWorks staff
>could have been captured by aliens on New Year's Eve... ;)

well... the last I heard, the release date was 'sometime 1st quater 1993'....
Hold on, It may even have gotten as far as being put in the FAQ... Just a sec..

Here.....

#Q:  When is PC/GEOS 2.0 going to be launched? 
# 
#    According to Brian Dougherty (GW's CEO) at the San Diego Computer 
#    Fair, v2 will enter testing at the end of this month (Sept '92), 
#    and go to beta this Fall.  It sounds like we can expect it to be 
#    released (along with a slew of 3rd-party apps) sometime around 
#    late 1st quarter of '93. 

There. We have 1st quater 1993 from Brian himself.  So, unless those rumours
about aliens prove true, GEOS 2.0 should be here be end of march I guess.... I
was just hoping that by now we might be able to get a better (read more
localised) estimate of the DOA of GEOS 2.0.

>My hope is that at one of the upcoming computer shows, Macrosoft will be
>demoing NT (with as many UAE's as 3.1 had when they tried to amaze people with
>it at shows), and Geoworks will steal their thunder by showing off (and giving
>out working demos FREE) GEOS 2.0, without any errors. :)
>
>-Shag
>
I don't spose there will be any UAE's, they'll fix that the same way they did
in 3.1, rename them.. (they're now AEs..) NT will have Process segmentation
override attempts, or somthing.....

I hope that too, I'm just worried that the Mickeysoft Marketing brigade, who
sell deep freezes to eskimos as a hobby, may simply drown out GEOS with the
sheer volume of noise and flashing lights. 
| Adrian Harvey       (Harvey_A@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz)|
|             Windows?  Just say NO!               |
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From: eysen@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Gunther Eysenbach)
Subject: How to convert .000 pictures to .PCX/.TIF ??
Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:08:18 GMT

Hello geos-experts,

I'm still desperately looking for a possibility to export
a GeoDRaw-File (.000-extension) into a more common graphics-
format (for example PCX).

I need a conversion-tool .000 -> .pCX (or other) very urgently
for a book-project.

I can't imagine that there should be no such tool available.

Soomeone told me about a hacked fax driver, available on GEnie, which
is able to convert .000 filex into .PCX. Since I do not have a
GEnie-acount, this information is useless to me. Does anybody know the name
of the mentioned program? Does anybody know another possibily to get
this fax-driver?

Please help!

Gunther

PS: I'm very disgruntled about the developers of GeoDraw - I think
the possibility to convert esoteric Geo-Files into common graphic-
formats should be a matter of course. !*@#!

eysen@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de

Univ of Freiburg
computer center

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From: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GEOS company song? (Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 11:26:03 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1993Jan9.222204.9958@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>In article <Jan.9.02.10.30.1993.23170@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>>
>>CEO:
>>	A Zoomer, eh?  What sort of toy is this?
>>
>>[CEO presses on the screen of the Zoomer, which promptly starts playing Tetris
>>at breakneck speed, without falling through his desk.]
>
>Alas and alack, I believe Nintendo has exclusive rights to putting
>Tetris on hand-held devices (i.e. the GameBoy).

Tell *that* to my Calculator......

The HP line of calculators have *several* versions of tetris for them. 
Including an offical one from HP.  So I don't beleive that.  Besides, what's to
stop me from making a portable MSDOS computer and running tetris on it??? (in
theory, ignoring hardware difficulties..)


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|             Windows?  Just say NO!               |
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Geoworks Quickstart - what is it?
Keywords: found in a catalogue
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:12:15 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest


I have before me a software catalogue (same one as in my SDK post) from 
the Computer Buyer's Club.

In the Business Productivity Software section, I find....

Geoworks (surprise, surprise, surprise.)

GeoWorks Pro (list 199.99, street 122.95, club price 117.95)
GeoWorks Quickstart (list 99.99, street 61.95, club price 58.95)

They only list GeoWorks Quickstart as being on 3.5" disks, for starters.
It's almost exactly half the price of GeoWorks Pro.  What is it?  Pro with
Quattro Pro and all the documentation missing?  Or something completely
different?

Curiouser and curiouser...

-Shag

[I've borrowed all my opinions from John Mitchell, at 11% interest]
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Subject: unsubscribe
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:36:39 GMT
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From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: 24-hour info line notes
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:05:03 GMT

In article <Jan.8.12.42.50.1993.7667@pilot.njin.net>
birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
[...]
>The pleasant female voice said that GEOS stood for "Graphical Environment
>Object System."  Last time I checked the O stood for "Operating."  Has this
>been changed?

GEOS is the name of the system and does *NOT* stand for anything.

[...]
>recording soon to include it.  The best quote was something to the effect of
>"Windows for Pen Computing will run on our high-end systems, but PC/GEOS is
>better for our current product line."

But why would anyone want to run much slower on much more expensive
hardware and that has a shorter battery life?  :-? :-)

>The developer info didn't say much I didn't already know, except that the
>Systems Software Overview is 50 pages, costs $15 plus $2 shipping/handling
>(considering that one of the AOL geos info files I uploaded to the net was
>197 pages, I _really_ think this document, particularly if it's already in
>GeoWrite form, should be made electronically available.  Seriously.) and
[...]

The System Software Overview has been completely rewritten and was not done
in GeoWrite (I don't know why not either).  And no it won't be posted
electronically.

Thanks,
	John
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	Apply employee disclaimers.
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GEOS Press Release
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:38:36 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

>	At the briefing, the companies delivered a progress report on
>their joint project: a handheld, pen-based device, slated for release
>later this year. GeoWorks is providing its GEOS. system software to
>run the device, code name "Zoomer." 

"later this year..."  Hmmm.  could be next week, could be December.  Of
course, it makes sense to have v2.0 out (for the current users) before
Zoomer hits the market.

>	GEOS is a realtime, multithreaded, multitasking graphical
>operating environment based on object-oriented programming technology
>that allows for scalability and ease of use. More important for
>developers, GEOS offers a flexible user interface that adopts the
>appropriate "look and feel" of different devices.

Buzzword central.  I think there are more "high-tech words" that apply to
GEOS than to any other OS out there. ;)

Well, here's to hoping that Zoomer (an apt name for something running GEOS,
since it's going to blow the doors off everything else, speed-wise) kicks
butt in the marketplace.  And, here's hoping 2.0 comes out and is even
more wonderful than they've told us (which, since they haven't told us
much, it should be! ;)

-Shag

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From: simard@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Donald Simard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: DRDOS 6.0 vs. 6.01 for PRO, and "Import" (?)
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:08:40 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1993Jan09.131426.13663@eng.umd.edu> jeff@eng.umd.edu (Jeffrey Frey) writes:
>As a further note on PRO, in a recent more private discussion on converting
>pictures to GW backgrounds, the necessity of using "import" into a 
>Scrapbook file was mentioned.  I went a little nuts trying to find "Import"
>in all the folders, buttons, and icons, until I realized that this function
>does NOT exist in the Scrapbook in 1.2.  It is only in PRO.
>
>You've been warned.
>
>Jeff

I used the import command in GwoDraw, then cut the draphic, switched
to preferences and selected get background from clipboard. BTW I am
using 1.2, not PRO.


Side question - how much does the upgrade to PRO cost, does anyone
think it is worth it or should I just wait for V2.0?
don
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From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: comp.os.pcgeos.* hierarchy? (Re: New uploads...)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:40:48 GMT

In article <Jan.8.14.52.57.1993.10614@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
[...]
>The basic presumption here is that the people who asked me to e-mail them
>UUEncoded copies of things (which is not very convenient for me, in any
>number of ways) are those who can _not_ FTP, and do _not_ have access to
>AOL.  UUCP or BITnet users in Europe, in particular.  All requests for the 
>files I have received thus far have been from users in Europe.

Perhaps my meaning wasn't clear...  The big archive sites have facillities
in place for mailing packages (in multiple parts if need be).  Just upload
the files to SIMTEL and they can get it mailed to them from the mail
servers.

>Perhaps it would be a good idea to begin working toward a hierarchy now,
>so that it would be widely tested, used, and available by the time v2.0
>becomes available.

I don't see any need for all the effort of this until v2.0 is released.

Thanks,
	John
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	GeoWorks speaks for itself.
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Dos multitasking & GEOS
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:25:05 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

clar27@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("j.forssell") writes:

>I have been wondering why GeoWorks haven't been concerned with trying to
>include DOS multitasking. Even Windows has got it to a very limited extent...

The stated opinion from GeoWorks was that multitasking of DOS programs will
become less important in the next few years, as more applications become
available for multitasking systems such as GEOS.  Simply, it would be better
to have a GeoVersion of every DOS app out there (or at least the good ones)
than to have GEOS support apps written for DOS.

>Well, now I read that MSDOS 7 (or was it DR DOS 7) should support DOS 
>multitasking. That would solve the whole problem for GeoWorks!

Perhaps.  It would most likely view GeoWorks as just another DOS program,
not unlike the task switchers.

>I am looking forward to the day when I can run DOS software at the same time 
>as I'm running Geos. 

I'm looking forward to the day when I'll have no reason to run DOS software
because there will be a GEOS version of everything, with more features in a
smaller, faster, more elegant package.

>Of course, the multitasking DOS will probably not be written in that compact 
>and elegant way we have come to expect from GeoWorks.

Which, of course, is exactly GeoVersions are preferable.  Being able to run
multiple DOS applications at once is all well and good, but you're still
running apps that are big, old, and slow.  :)

-Shag
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From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: Posting to FTP sites
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:07:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.014046.4427@usl.edu> wcs0830@ucs.usl.edu (Segura William C) writes:
>I would like to post the Geobytes Newsletter from AOL to a GeoWorks
>site.  How do I do this?  All I have managed to do was post to the
>Uploads directory and not  
>the GW mirror directory.

From the FAQ:

Q:  Are there any anonymous ftp sites for PC/GEOS stuff?

A:  There are currently two anonymous ftp sites with PC/GEOS-specific 
    files.  First, there is mir.eco.utexas.edu [128.83.172.17].  The 
    files are in the /pub/geos directory.  Access time is 6:00 pm to 
    8:00 am CST.  If you want to upload, PKZIP your file and put it in 
    the /inbasket directory.  Then send a note to Tony Yen 
    (tyen@mundo.eco.utexas.edu).  Use the filename as the subject of 
    the message, and leave a single-line description in the body of 
    the message.  Tony's doing this out of the goodness of his heart, 
    and will take the site down if traffic becomes excessive or any 
    funny stuff happens.

    Second, the army's Simtel-20 archive now has a GEOWORKS directory 
    in its msdos section.  The best way to access the Simtel archive 
    is through one of its mirror sites, like oak.oakland.edu or 
    wuarchive.wustl.edu.  If you have a program to upload to Simtel, 
    please send e-mail to Keith Petersen (w8sdz@tacom-emh1.army.mil) 
    with a short description of the files you wish to submit.  He will 
    provide you with instruction on how to upload.  Please do *not* 
    send files to that mailbox.

>If any body is interested, I will post the Newsletters sometime in
>the middle ofJanuary.  This is a must read for all those who are not
>members of America Online.  

If you could post the ASCII text, that'd be great.  We're kind of
starved for news here.

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   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
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From: mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy)
Subject: GWE Engineers just kids?
Keywords: I hope it's not like everyone else's!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:56:50 GMT

I read some message on Geoworks Fido net Echo that the Geoworks
engineers were really young.  Is this true?  I mean I don't hold
anything against a programmer just because he's a kid or something.
If he has talent, it'll show, regardless of his age.  I'm
pretty young too but I was just curious this little rumour.  It'll
give me some motivation if it's true!
 
cceee ja!


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