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From: CNTS12@email.mot.com (Mike Stevens)
Subject: RFD: misc.home.automation
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Motorola CSE
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:15:26 GMT

I am inquiry regarding setting up a home automation user group.  I 
periodically see information in consumers.house; however, that group takes 
all issues as it relates to homes.

Topics that relate to home automation:

In home sound systems-nutone or other

X-10 controlled homes

In-home theater

Home security

Home automation in general

Intergration of above systems in new and exsiting homes

CEBus technology

Smart House Technology

Electronic House magazine exists for the current home automation user.

I am interested in the above topics, any others.

Thanx,
Mike
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From: gumby@spock.uucp (Danny Richman)
Subject: RFD: rec.boats.crew
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:15:30 GMT

     It seems by popular demand that a new newsgroup is needed:
rec.boats.paddle has recently been flooded with complaints of new articles
that deal generally with crew.  It appears that rowers do not get along
too well with kayakers or rafters.
     It would be in the best interest to start the creation of rec.boats.crew
and begin the discussion from here on out.I hope that everyone will take part
in this discussion which will soon lead into the deciding vote.  With 
everyone's cooperation, we can make this transition as clean and smooth as 
possible.
-- 
                                             gumby@choate.edu
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From: ellswort@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Alec Ellsworth)
Subject: RFD: sci.dent
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS, Milwaukee, WI
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:53:51 GMT

		New Group Proposal
	I propose that we begin discussion about a new 
mainstream newsgroup named sci.dent. It will be unmoderated
and has as its main objective to allow internet users (dentists,
dental students, researchers, and patients) the opportunity
to discuss Dentistry and any dental related issues. Included in 
this forum would be the issues of dental research, patient/dentist
interaction, new technology in dentistry, infection control
discussion/answers, legislation issues in dentistry, question
and answers, medico-legal issues, and any other related dentistry
discussion.

The hope I have in proposing this new newsgroup is purely one
of opening up lines of communication between patients/dentists/
researchers/dental students. This would allow more people to
have a forum for discussing their specific concerns in this
area. I appreciate any and all comments, and support in this
beginning on the Internet for the dental community and its
patients.

Thank you for your time,
-- 
Alec Ellsworth                           "Medicine will cure death      
Marquette University Dental School        and government will repeal 
ellswort@studsys.mscs.mu.edu              taxes before Steve will fail."
                                                          --Guy Kawasaki 
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From: Rick.Horowitz@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Rick Horowitz)
Subject: RFD: sci.philosophy.language
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:54:11 GMT

SINCERE APOLOGIES! The first posting didn't go to
news.announce.newgroups because of a misplaced 's'.  I was advised to
repost to make it official...

The following is an OFFICIAL request for discussion to create a
newsgroup called sci.philosophy.language.  (At least in my mind) It
supersedes a previous post I made requesting the creation of
talk.philosophy.language.  It has been pointed out to me that a
designation of sci might be more appropriate.
 
The proposal is to create a group with the following parameters:
 
Name of group:           sci.philosophy.language
Mode:                    unmoderated
 
Charter:
 
Inasmuch as there exist groups like sci.philosophy.tech,
talk.philosophy.misc, and comp.ai.philosophy which discuss various
issues not directly relating to philosophy of language, and inasmuch
as philosophy of language is an important and viable specialization
within philosophy, I propose the creation of a group for facilitating
discussion in this area.  Topics for discussion will include
(minimally) discussions of interest for philosophy of language,
philosophy of linguistics, theories of meaning and truth, reference,
pragmatics, speech act theory, intensional semantics, (to some extent)
language of thought, theories of names, demonstratives, works (past
and current) in such topics, etc.---all the issues that could be part
of a serious study of philosophy of language.
 
I understand that the normal procedure calls for a discussion period
of some 30 days, after which a voting period would be initiated.  So
let's start the discussion.
 
Thanks.
--  
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  "many", and the word "ticks", meaning "blood sucking parasites".
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From: Jyrki Kuoppala <jkp@cs.hut.fi>
Subject: CFV: comp.org.lpf.news moderated, comp.org.lpf.talk
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:55:23 GMT
Reply-To: lpf-vote@niksula.hut.fi

This is a CALL FOR VOTES for the creation of two new newsgroups for
discussions and announcements on and of the League for Programming
Freedom.  The RFD was first posted on 1 Sep 1992.  Voting will start
on publication of this article and end on 7 December 1992, 23:59 GMT.

The groups:

comp.org.lpf.news	News from the League for Programming Freedom

A moderated group containing announcements, news etc. from the LPF.  A
person from the LPF moderates the group - ie. sends the LPF
announcements and such to the group.  Discussions on the material here
should not be in this group but on the "talk" group.

Moderator at creation will be friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman).

comp.org.lpf.talk	Discussions relevant to the LPF

An unmoderated group for discussions on the LPF and on topics relevant
to the goals of the LPF.

Previously there has been no good home for discussions on the LPF and
the relevant issues.  The gnUsenet group gnu.misc.discuss has been
used, but this has created confusion since the LPF's goals are
different from the goals of the GNU project or the FSF and the LPF as
an organization isn't connected with GNU, the FSF or free software.

In order to vote for or against the newsgroups, you must send a mail
message to the address lpf-vote@niksula.hut.fi.  Replies to
this announcement are directed to that address.

Example vote lines to be put in the body of the message are:


YES for comp.org.lpf.talk
NO  for comp.org.lpf.talk

YES for comp.org.lpf.news
NO  for comp.org.lpf.news


Posted votes will not be counted.  You may vote on just one of the
groups or both.

Votes will be acknowledged in the newsgroups this CFV is posted to.

Please see the pertinent postings in news.answers and
news.announce.newgroups for the rules that will be followed in
creating a newsgroup.

//Jyrki
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From: escmar@ntu.ac.sg (Mar Siew Cheong)
Subject: RFD: soc.culture.singaporean
Keywords: Singapore, cultural, newsgroup 
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Nanyang Technological University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:53:34 GMT

Proposed Newsgroup's Name
=========================
  soc.culture.singaporean

Type
====
  Unmoderated

Charter
=======
  A newsgroup where topics relevant to the development of Singapore, in
  the areas of science, technology, education and culture can be 
  discussed.

Purpose of the Group 
====================
  *  Discuss topics relevant to the development of Singapore.
  *  Provide an avenue where general information about Singapore
     can be obtained.

Newsgroup Creation
==================
  The discussion for this group will last from Monday, Nov. 9, 1992
  until Friday, Dec. 4, 1992. The discussion should take place in 
  news.groups. All followups should be under this same title heading.

  I am now inviting all netters in general and Singaporean netters in
  particular to take part in the discussion. Any suggestions, comments
  or problems may be included in the discussion or sent directly to
  escmar@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg

  At the end of the Discussion Period, voting will be held. The rules on
  how to vote will be posted here as well.

Thanks for your attention,
-- 
Mar Siew Cheong (staff)		Bitnet: escmar@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg
Division of Instr. & Control	Internet: escmar@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg 
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From: meehan@src.dec.com (Jim Meehan)
Subject: RFD: comp.lang.dylan
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: digital
Distribution: co
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:13:10 GMT
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
----------------------

NAME:
	comp.lang.dylan

STATUS:
	unmoderated

CHARTER:
	For discussion of the Dylan language. The newsgroup would be
	gatewayed with the mailing list info-dylan@cambridge.apple.com.

COMMENTS:
Dylan(TM) is a new object-oriented language, described in a book
published by Apple Computer in April 1992.  Many people have expressed
interest in the language since then, and prototype implementations are
now appearing.

In September, Apple created four public mailing lists for discussions 
of Dylan; the one called info-dylan is used for discussing any and 
all aspects of the language.  In just over a month, the volume of 
mail on info-dylan has reached the point where a newsgroup would 
be more useful than a mailing list; indeed, some subscribers have 
already removed their names from the list because of the high volume.  
Apple will maintain a gateway with the mailing list so that current 
subcribers to info-dylan who lack newsgroup access will still be 
able to participate in the discussions. 

DISCUSSION:
Comments about this proposal should be sent to news.groups.

SCHEDULE:
The discussion period will end December 4, 1992.  If there is a consensus at 
that time, a Call For Votes will be posted.

[[ This is the first time this proposal has been "officially" brought up.
    We're sorry for any confusion a prior call for votes may have
    caused some people.  Jim did not realise his posting had not
    really gone to news.announce.newgroups because the group was
    not marked moderated at his site.  -- tale ]]
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From: terry@santafe.edu
Subject: RFD: rec.unicycles
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: santafe.edu
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:15:37 GMT

This is a formal Request for Discussion on the creation of a new newsgroup
called "rec.unicycles" (not moderated).

This announcement is cross-posted to newsgroups whose readers may have 
interest in the discussion about the new group; follow-up discussion will
take place in "news.groups". Suggestions, comments or problems may also
be emailed to me at terry@santafe.edu.

                       REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
                       ----------------------

NEWSGROUP
  rec.unicycles (not moderated)

PURPOSE
  For the discussion of all aspects of unicycles, including 
  
    * Where to buy them - quality, price, shipping etc.
    * Maintenance.
    * Types of unicycles.
    * Learning to ride.
    * Unicycling in space and/or at the speed of light.
    * Tips on tricks & techniques.
    * The International Unicycling Federation.
    * Conventions.
    * Publications.

NAME 
  The name should probably be rec.unicycles, in line with the
  rec.bicycles hierarchy.  Perhaps one day, when most kindergartens
  are on the net, there will be rec.tricycles and we should be
  prepared for this. I personally prefer rec.unicycling, which is
  in line with rec.juggling, from whence most readers of the new group
  will probably come.

NOT MODERATED
  There does not seem to be any reason why the group should be
  moderated. rec.juggling is not and that has worked well.

NEWSGROUP CREATION
  The discussion period will be from November 12th, 1992 to December
  5th, 1992.
  Please post all discussion in news.group.
  If a consensus is reached by the end of the discussion period,
  a CFV (Call for Votes) will be posted at that time. The voting period
  will last for 21 days.
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From: hackett@bach.udel.edu (Christopher Harrison Hackett)
Subject: Re: testing again, crossposted too
Organization: Unversity of Delaware
Distribution: ny
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:26:55 GMT

This is a test...
A follow-up test...


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From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,news.admin,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: What is pornography, anyway?
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:11:30 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes) writes:

>It's been driving me batty: I KNOW the supremes had a three-part
>test for pornography, but I can only remember two parts of it:
[...]

===== ftp eff.org:pub/academic/law/miller =======
The Supreme Court's definition of obscenity (the so-called _Miller_
test) is:

1) must appeal to the prurient interest

2) must describe sexual conduct in a way that is "patently offensive"
to community standards

and

3) when taken as a whole, it "must lack serious literary, artistic,
political, or scientific value"

Note that only "patently offensiveness" is decided by community
standards.

greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (Jonathan Greenfield) adds:

[...]
It should also be noted that local community's do NOT have total control
over the definition of "patently offensive."

In the 1974 case of Jenkins v. Georgia the SC unanimously overturned an
Albany, Georgia's court decision that "Carnal Knowledge" (the highly-
acclaimed Jack Nicholson film from 1971) was obscene, in a decision that
"clarified" (modified) the 1973 decisions of Miller v. California and
Paris Adult Theatre v. Slaton.

In the court's opinion, Justice Rehnquist wrote, "it would be a serious
misunderstanding of Miller to conclude that juries have unbridled discretion
in determining what is 'patently offensive.'"

The opinion further stated the court's expectation that appelate courts,
would necessarily be needed to protect non-obscene material from local
communities attempting to ban it as obscene.

In a concurring decision, Brennan, Marshall, and Douglas (all of whom
dissented in the Miller case), renewed their argument that the standard
created by Miller ultimately left only the SC to make determinations of
what was obscene, and as such was completely impractical.

-- 
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Subject: Re: Does USENET condone CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 16:06:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.042423.18761@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jrc1947@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>
>> Let's get it resolved and QUICK!
>
>Well, what kind of resolution would be possible!  All the arguments going
>back and forth in a.b.p.e.d show how difficult any kind of resolution
>would be.  The legal system has been trying foreverf to work out a definition
>for pornography, with absolutely no success.

Same goes for a definition of distribution, aka ``Copyright on USENET'' thread.

If you are a Teleco, are you responsible for what people pass over your
wires?  Is USENET any different?

[NOTE: both the above are QUESTIONS for pondering, not ASSERTIONS of any
kind.]

Damon
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From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,news.admin,news.admin.policy,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d
Subject: Re: Does USENET condone CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?
Keywords: Pedophelia Child Pornography Porn Immoral Illegal
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:32:57 GMT
Followup-To: news.sysadmin
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Nov9.013853.1388@zeus.franklin.edu> iacovone@zeus.franklin.edu (Daniel R. Iacovone) writes:
>Let me just say this about child pornography --

>If child porno involves anything sexual activity with children -
>remember :

>If you lost your virginity before 17, than you have participated is said
>act.  Such as: if you lost your virginity at age 16 with a girl at age
>15, congratulations - you have particpated in child pornagraphy.

This has got to be one of the wierdest definition of pornography I've ever
heard.  No, it's not.  Unless you take pictures (and distribute them
(usually)).

What you've described is, in some places, statutory rape.  Different
thing altogether.
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From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Subject: Re: Contraband data on the Net (again)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 04:29:16 GMT

billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick) writes:
>Does Steve Jackson Games have its computers back yet?  It's what, the
>end of 1992...
     Yes, they got them back years ago.  

					John Nagle
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,news.admin.policy
From: josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,news.admin,news.admin.policy,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d
Subject: a.b.p.e. distribution (was, Re: Does USENET condone CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?)
Keywords: Pedophelia Child Pornography Porn Immoral Illegal
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:19:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: mowgli.josh.721329561
Organization: University of Washington

Man, that's some keyword list...

Here at the U of Washington, alt.sex.pictures (the forerunner of
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica) was removed from the feed for a
couple of reasons:

1) It's pornography! Tax dollars paying for pornography! Eeeeewwww!

I don't have a lot of sympathy for that line, actually...my tax
dollars pay for evil all over the world, why draw the line at
pictures of people with no clothes on?

2) Much or all of the material distributed in the group is copyright
material, distributed without permission of the author.

This argument, it seems to me, holds some weight. It would be, of
course, illegal to distribute copyright material without the permission
of the creator of the work. Elf's stories, for example, have been
posted by Elf. Fair enough. a.b.p.e. has recently contained, for
example, scans of Sports Illustrated swimsuit shots, I gather. This
is a no-no.

I think net.users (and certainly net.administrators) have to make
decisions on this matter: is it likely that their particular piece
of .net will disappear if they continue (or begin) to carry this
froup? Is it worth it to them/their users to run that risk? Here
the administrators argued, successfully, that we could lose large
chunks of network access as a consquence of carrying this a.s.p.;
it was deep-sixed. No complaint from me.

Josh Hayes

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From: mike@meiko.com (Mike Stok)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,news.admin,news.admin.policy,alt.sex.pictures.misc
Subject: Re: Does USENET condone CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?
Keywords: Pedophelia Child Pornography Porn Immoral Illegal
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:46:00 GMT
Organization: Meiko Scientific Corp.

In article <a5VZTB7w165w@mertwig.UUCP> xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP (Daniel Drucker) writes:
>iacovone@zeus.franklin.edu (Daniel R. Iacovone) writes:
>
>> Let me just say this about child pornography --
>> 
>> If child porno involves anything sexual activity with children -
>> remember :
>> 
>> 
>> If you lost your virginity before 17, than you have participated is said
>> act.  Such as: if you lost your virginity at age 16 with a girl at age
>> 15, congratulations - you have particpated in child pornagraphy.
>
>Doesn't PORNAGRAPHY have to do with PICTURES?
>             ^^^^^^

Not originally, it's from the greek porne (harlot) and graphein (to write),
and is usually a description or depiction of erotic behaviour intended to
excite in a sexual manner - words and/or pictures.

Mike


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