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From: leonard@mpd.tandem.com (Leonard Toohey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Positioning/addressing Golf Ball
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:11:28 GMT
Reply-To: leonard@norma.UUCP (Leonard Toohey)
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <lkn0mcINNefp@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> kho@kho.Eng.Sun.COM (K.Y. Ho) writes:
>Two beginner questions...
>
>1. I can see that, as the clubs get longer, the ball would have to move
>   further away from your body because it will creat a bigger arc. But 
>   why does the ball have to move closer to lining up with your left heel?

    On normal shots, I always try and posaition the ball just inside of the
    left heel. I do position the ball SLIGHTLY more right on some pitch shots. 
    The only other time that the ball position should change is when there is 
    a need to; uphill, downhill, need to hit high, need to hit low. 

>2. I have seen my people(even pros) addressing their ball while hitting with
>   their woods the same way whether the ball is on the tee or not. Usually, 
>   the ball line up with the left heel. How can they be using the same swing? 
>   As I understand it, when tee-ing off, you hit the ball when the club is 
>   coming up. If these people are truely using the same swing, wouldn't they
>   be scouping up dirt if the ball is not on a tee. I think I am missing 
>   something here. Please enlighthen. 
>   
>   I also seen some people address the ball about 3/4" from the ground, is 
>   this a good approach?
>
    If i read your post correctly i am thinking that you are refering to the 
    practice of not touching the sole of the club to the ground. Seems like it 
    may have something to do with a smooth take away??? 

    "Golf My Way" with Jack Nicklaus is an excellent video that explains in 
    easy to understand terms the BASICS of the fundemental golf swing. IMHO 
    this is a must for any >=average golfers video library.
 

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From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Organization: Scripps Inst. of Oceanography - MPL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:14:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.223519.4050@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer) writes:
>
>EXACTLY!  I love just blasting though Nicklaus walking all over the green. I 
>don't even stop the tape when he's putting. I also mute out Brent Musberger.
>By the way how hell did he ever get his job? Is he married to the exec's 
>daughter or something?

... which goes to show you that one of the greatest developments in golf in
the past few years has been the VCR  AND its remote control. I too fast-fwd
through Musberger and others, boring (inconsequential) short putts, etc.

Did anyone watch yesterday's last round of the Tournmt. of Champs.? For the
West Coast, and for time reasons, they decided to edit out the tape, but they
did such a poor job ... they omitted key birdie putts from 15-20 feet from
Love and Azinger on 16th, for example, and left a description of the 17th hole
by Jacobsen (they's already shown the 17th hole a few times!).

One FOR Jacobsen: on the ESPN Friday broadcast PJ pointed out the tough playing
conditions (36 holes in the mud), and how that affected the last few holes.
Musberger ridiculized his comment by comparing it with a football game in the
mud ("now, that's tough"). PJ closed his comment saying that while football
players have a guaranteed salary, golfers have to earn every penny at each
tournament. Anyway, PJ got back at Musberger on the Saturday broadcast, when
after being kindly introduced by Musberger he replied, with a smirk, saying
that he was happy to work in the booth with "an announcer with such a deep
knowledge of the game of golf". Loved it.

Martin
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From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Speeding Up Play
Date: 12 Jan 1993 06:25:49 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <1993Jan11.114815.5360@nntp.hut.fi> p38448n@puukko.hut.fi (Timo Saarto) writes:
>In article <2935812999.0.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:
>
>>>>Last summer we came up with the following solution which takes about 45 minutes
>>>>off a round:  drop the "honors" courtesy.  Whoever is ready, hits.  Even on the
>
>Yep. I *started* playing golf this September, which allowed me just enough
>time to complete my green card, until the arctic was sacked till summer :-(
>
>But during those few weeks, as I made some  practice rounds in a three-or-four-
>some, we played just a bit on the edge ...
>
>...that is, all the balls were picked up and then dropped by the best
>hit of the round. It worked well, 

I believe you were playing what we call "4-man scramble", that is everybody 
drives, you pick the best drive, and then everybody hits from there, and so on.
This is a popular format in alot of fun tournaments I know of.  If you have 
a few decent players in your group, you can easily shoot 10-to-12 under in a 
single round.

Another fun variation of this is to play two teams of 2-man scramble in 
your foursome.  We usually play with the added rule that you have to 
take 8 drives from each player, which can add alot of strategy to the
event.

>we could have easily spent 4-5 hours
>fooling around  and as we all were on the same level, this was no offense
>towards anyone on the course. No, we didn't forge our handicaps this way,
>I completed only one full hcp-round with an estimated result :-)
>
>(okiedokie, maybe :-(    :-)^2) 
>
>>If birdies are rare in your group, then it's nice to wait for the person 
>>who made one to hit first -- sort of like REAL honors.  But unless 
>>there's enough money on the line to matter, or one is playing in a 
>>tourney, honors should simply be ignored.  When the tee is open, step up 
>>and spank it!  
>
>To add (and me-too)  to previous golf etiquette discussion, I'd say that
>*as*long*as*we*are*playing*for*pleasure*, golf rules can be extended to
>accommodate common sense for compensation of skill, experience (add your
>own here).
>
>Timo Saarto           :::      I    THINK      ::: Voice: 90/555554
>Ulvilantie 29/1 B 18  :::       I   MUST       ::: EMail: tsaarto@otax
>00350 HELSINKI        :::  BE   A   MUSHROOM   :::        p38448n@puukko.hut.fi
>Somehow I am always left alone in the dark and being fed with lots of horseshit

Teemu Selanne for Rookie of the Year in the NHL

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
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From: merrifie@cidmac.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael C Merrifield)
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Summary: Use your VCR!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:05:37 GMT

Take control!  Tape the round/tournament on your VCR and
be your own producer/director!

Mike

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From: lavergne@bnr.ca (Marc Lavergne)
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Reply-To: lavergne@bnr.ca (Marc Lavergne)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:46:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.171427.19107@chiton.ucsd.edu>, martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan8.223519.4050@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer) writes:
|> >
|> 
|> Did anyone watch yesterday's last round of the Tournmt. of Champs.? For the
|> West Coast, and for time reasons, they decided to edit out the tape, but they
|> did such a poor job ... they omitted key birdie putts from 15-20 feet from
|> Love and Azinger on 16th, for example, and left a description of the 17th hole
|> by Jacobsen (they's already shown the 17th hole a few times!).
|> 
|> One FOR Jacobsen: on the ESPN Friday broadcast PJ pointed out the tough playing
|> conditions (36 holes in the mud), and how that affected the last few holes.
|> Musberger ridiculized his comment by comparing it with a football game in the
|> mud ("now, that's tough"). PJ closed his comment saying that while football
|> players have a guaranteed salary, golfers have to earn every penny at each
|> tournament. Anyway, PJ got back at Musberger on the Saturday broadcast, when
|> after being kindly introduced by Musberger he replied, with a smirk, saying
|> that he was happy to work in the booth with "an announcer with such a deep
|> knowledge of the game of golf". Loved it.
|> 
|> Martin
|> -- 
|> ------

Musberger is basically a fool. With 2 holes to play in yesterday's final
round, Love III was up by 2 on Azinger. After making his par on the 16th
hole, Davis Love walks off to the 17th tee with Musberger announcing 
"Davis Love III needs two pars to collect $154000 and win the Tournament
of Champions...". Are we to assume that Azinger is incapable of two straight
birdies to force a play-off?

Even announcing something like "... x pars aways from winning ..." is
completely ludicrous, especially with more than one hole remaining.
From: ecp@searanch.Eng.Sun.COM (Ed Pattermann - Sun Microsystems)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: my two cents on John Daly
Date: 8 Jan 1993 21:49:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ecp@searanch.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: searanch

Ok, John Daly does have an alcohol abuse problem, and he's addressing
that. There's no more he can do right now.

What bothers me is how people belittle the success he's had as a
professional golfer. When his leave from the tour was announced, I
heard a sportscaster on ESPN say, in a disapointing tone, 'John Daly
won the PGA, but only has won once since...'. Excuse me! Do you know
how hard it is to win on the PGA Tour.

John Daly is a very talented professional golfer, and despite the
off-course problems, he has been very successful. Lets not take that
away from him. Not only two wins in two years (including a major), but
about 2nd in the Tour Championship as a rookie, Top 30 money list as a
rookie, and this year, despite all the fanfare and attention he had,
still placed 37th on the money list. That could of been alot better,
but John had some bad timing in that the events he played really well
in were some of the lower purse tournaments of the year. A few breaks
here and there and he would have back in the Top 30 for a second
straight year.

John's a great golfer, with a great touch around the greens, and great
distance with all his clubs.

He does have the publicized alcohol problems, but I for one am really
pulling for him to beat his addiction, and come back to the Tour and
show us even more of what he's capable of.

-- Ed


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From: jimh@sequent.com (Jim Harrie)
Subject: Re: John Daly
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 16:57:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.153555.13815@sequent.com> john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght) writes:
>
>For those of you who think he is such a bad guy, did you know that he gave
>$30,000 of his winning from the PGA Championship to the family of a man who
>was killed by lightning during that tournament and has promised to play a
>charity exhibition in Indianapolis every year.
>
>John Vander Borght
>john@sequent.com
>
I personally don't think that he is that bad a person except when he's
drinking. The big problem I have with Daly is the image he portrays on
the tour. I think it has attracted too many people with WWF mentality
who think that the only thing in golf is knocking the crap out of the
ball. I've seen more boobs on the the courses than ever that don't
seem to know rule 1 or the first thing about etiquette. I don't think
that John has helped that at all. I think that he needs to grow up.
 You don't see Tiger Woods pulling the antics that Daly pulls and
he's a heck of a lot younger. 
Personally I think that, if Daly gets his personal life in order and
can get a little more consistency, he's got a darned good career on
the PGA tour. Unfortunately, I'm afraid he's going to do things to himself 
that too many other pro athletes have done. It's a real shame.

-- 
 Jim Harrie (jimh@sequent.com) World Wide Technical Support 
 Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. (503) 578-5778 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig)
Subject: Re: Fred Couples
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:03:11 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

brandt@oclc.org (Dave S. Brandt) writes:

> Lets try this again. I don't like Fred Couples as much as I used to. 
> This past year he has not wanted to deal with the media do to all his sucess.
> My question to everyone is, doesn't the media come with all the fame and 
> pockets full of money?

Fred is going through some tough times right now.  Having your lovely wife
tell you she wants out (after you start to roll in the dough) and then
at the same time having every golf fan in the world asking you why you
can't win every week is a very tough position to be in.

Possible scenario:
Musberger to Couples: "Freddie, that was not your best round out there today"
Couples: "Yes Brent, I had some trouble with my wedge today and the putter
	  was not listening to me"
Musberger: "Well, do you think it has anything to do with your wife sleeping
	    with another man in your home in Florida?"
Couples: "Brent, that is very personal, let's talk about golf"
Musberger: "Ok, so are you looking for a new home in Dallas because it will
	    help your golf game, or is it because your wife is sleeping with
	    another man in your home in Florida?"
Couples: "Brent, you are an ignorant slime"
Musberger: "Yes, and we are on CBS"

Lord knows it will never happen like this, but the press does tend to pry.
Fred is a private individual, if he doesn't want to talk to the press
then he doesn't have to.  Remember, it's his choice.

Good Putting!
Mark
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From: ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: John Daly
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:27:13 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <C0HJFH.14o@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott) writes:

>John Daly got his fame in only one year, with only one win, a rags to
>riches story.  It just happened to him.  It came too fast, and he has
>not been able to handle it.

No question about that. His course management could stand some serious
improvement.  Even without a grip on his drinking problem (no pun intended)
he did have enough prespective to make a statement that has left a great
impression on me.  When he won the BC Open he said "He didn't care what
anyone else said. The first PGA tour win is not the hardest, but the second
win is the most difficult."  And of course, John's off course habits
didn't (don't) help.

-- 
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Internet: ccastmm@prism.gatech.edu |  my next set of thrills..." -somebody
Disclaimer: These views are not and should not be viewed as those of OIT.
From: kho@kho.Eng.Sun.COM (K.Y. Ho)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Positioning/addressing Golf Ball
Date: 7 Jan 1993 01:09:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kho

Two beginner questions...

1. I can see that, as the clubs get longer, the ball would have to move
   further away from your body because it will creat a bigger arc. But 
   why does the ball have to move closer to lining up with your left heel?
   
   Lets say the club come in perfectly squre with a 9 iron while the ball
   is in the middle of my stance. Now if I change to a 3 iron, move the ball
   further away that lining up with my left heel and I use the same swing 
   as in the case with the 9 iron, wouldn't I be be slicing the ball?  
   (I am assuming the the arc created by my club face is perpendicular with 
   the middle line of my stance; passing that, the club will be coming in 
   from outside. What's wrong with this theory?)
 
2. I have seen my people(even pros) addressing their ball while hitting with
   their woods the same way whether the ball is on the tee or not. Usually, 
   the ball line up with the left heel. How can they be using the same swing? 
   As I understand it, when tee-ing off, you hit the ball when the club is 
   coming up. If these people are truely using the same swing, wouldn't they
   be scouping up dirt if the ball is not on a tee. I think I am missing 
   something here. Please enlighthen. 
   
   I also seen some people address the ball about 3/4" from the ground, is 
   this a good approach?

Thanks for any good tips.
K.Ho



                
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From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:40:04 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>FROM:   Martin Olivera <martin@chiton.ucsd.edu>
>
>In article <1993Jan8.223519.4050@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer) writes:
>>
>>EXACTLY!  I love just blasting though Nicklaus walking all over the green. I 

A few years ago, the coverage went out in the clubhouse while Nicklaus 
was stepping up to 5 footer.  Don't recall the tournament, but coverage was 
out long enough to get the "We're working on it" message very briefly.  
It snapped back and there was Nicklaus, still standing over the putt.  
Somebody quipped, "Good thing it was Jack or we'd have missed this."

[Brent Musberger stuff...]

>>By the way how hell did he ever get his job? Is he married to the exec's 
>>daughter or something?

Didn't think of that one.  I run to more sinister imaginings, like 
blackmail or Brent being somebody high-up's bastard son.

[...]

>
>One FOR Jacobsen: on the ESPN Friday broadcast PJ pointed out the tough playing

One?  ONE!?  Jacobsen won every round on my card.  8^)

>conditions (36 holes in the mud), and how that affected the last few holes.
>Musberger ridiculized his comment by comparing it with a football game in the
>mud ("now, that's tough"). PJ closed his comment saying that while football
>players have a guaranteed salary, golfers have to earn every penny at each
>tournament. Anyway, PJ got back at Musberger on the Saturday broadcast, when
>after being kindly introduced by Musberger he replied, with a smirk, saying
>that he was happy to work in the booth with "an announcer with such a deep
>knowledge of the game of golf". Loved it.
>
>Martin

Rats.  Missed it.  PJ also made a remark about showing the missed putt for 
the umpteenth time, something like, "Doesn't look he's ever gonna make 
that putt."

-jim

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From: jim@pustule.b29.ingr.com (Jim Weeks)
Subject: Re: john daly rippers!
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:22:18 GMT

In article <C0HuG6.676@news.udel.edu>, doing@brahms.udel.edu (David Allen Doing) writes:
|> Come on people, give John Daly a break!  At least he has the ability to
|> try to solve his drinking problem.  If you think that he is the only
|> golfer to have ever had a drinking problem, take a hard look at some of
|> the tour stars today (i.e. Greg Norman, Ian Woosnam)  They too can get
|> mighty tanked after a tournament, but I don't see you complaining about
|> them.  Give the guy a break.  If you were in his position, you'd expect
|> the same, after all he's only human like you and me (although I am making
|> quite an assumption about you!!)

   HERE HERE !!! let's lighten up on Long John a bit...not that I condon
  getting bombed and beating the B'Jeezzus out of the wife and tearing up
  hotel rooms, but John has a problem, he's admitted it and is at least 
  trying to find help..Heck Who wouldn't want to knock back a few brews after
  a bad round..I do after a good one... not to mention the fact that in the 
  individual sports ( golf tennis bowling ) the amount of money you take home
  is a direct reflection on how well you did your job during the week, they
  don't pay much ( much = 0 ) for missing the cut. Imagine if your department
  adopted that method.  
    Life on the PGA isn't a bowl of cherries, there is a lot of pressure out
   there...   That s why I'm not there ...  :-) ;-)
   
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From: ds2i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Donald Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Walter Hagen (Was RE: John Daly)
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:23:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.IfHM0s200WBNQ16XNG
Organization: Doctoral student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Personally not caring one way or the other about John Daly, I haven't
been reading the great bulk of comments.  However, it seems that the
legendary Walter Hagen has been compared to the current golf/pop icon.

This is a grave injustice indeed.  Hagen was a far superior player, the
tour's most dapper player, and a great ambassador of the game.  He may
have been a drinker and a womanizer, but this was back in "the good ole
days" when to be so was politically correct.  While Daly is certainly a
raw talent with great power, I don't think he has or will acquire the
maturity to elevate his game to Hagen's level of completeness.  Nor did
Hagen go around getting arrested, or beating his female companions.

So debate Daly ad nauseum, but please leave one of golf's greatest
players/personalities out of the comparison.

Don

P.S. IMHO, it would be ludicrous to ban Daly from the tour for his off
course "transgressions".  I'd sooner ban Tom Kite for being terminally
boring than Daly for being a character.  (I also sympathize with all
long and wild golfers everywhere.)