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From: blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Where are the Japanese?
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:08:39 GMT
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

In article <Oct.8.13.34.13.1992.1644@soliton.rutgers.edu>,
zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes:
=> Looking at the names of the posters in this group, I am suprised to see
=> very few of them are Japanese. Why is this? Where are the Japanese? How
=> can people talk about issues related to Japan with so few Japanese 
=> involved. By the way, I am not a Japanese myself. 

Well.... there you go. 

I'm not sure, but I'm guessing that 10-15% of the posts are from
Japanese people. I suppose another 15-20% are from foreign english
speakers now living and working in Japan. (hmm... maybe that's just
Al Harckom ;-} I suppose another 10% are from people jumping in
(and then out) asking for some specific information about Japan, or
Japanese culture. Occasionally, s.c.j gets hooked to s.c.china,
korea, hong-kong, etc. and WWII gets replayed. At those times,
other asians account for perhaps up to 20% of the postings, but
when the din dies, almost nothing. Maybe 50% are from so-called
self-appointed "frequent posters" (stop us before we post again!),
a group of perhaps 20-30 persons with varied opinions who interests
may be historical, economic, cultural, political, or anything and
everything. It seems that quite of few of those are either now
or will be married to Japanese, are of Japanese descent, are in
fact Japanese, or have lived and worked in Japan during previous
incarnations.

About 0.5% of the posts are from racist juveniles, or clueless
geeks. About 0.1% are advertisments for financial support and
marriage to/from attractive wealthy Japanese females :-)

If you think it's unusual that so few Japanese post, please monitor
soc.women, where perhaps 80% of the posters are men. I think you'll
get the idea.

- Bill
From: fugitt@tempus.Corp.Sun.COM (Lem Fugitt - Nihon Sun US Office)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Would someone like to respond to this gal?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 00:34:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fugitt@tempus.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: tempus.corp.sun.com

In article 1au1t4INNouj@agate.berkeley.edu, robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
>Subject: Re: "ABC" and Generation 3 (was Re: Looking for roots)
>Date: 25 Sep 92 23:29:44 GMT
>Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center
>Lines: 18
>
>I've never been to Japan, although there is a city there which shares my
>surname (and I believe my family is related to the ancestor for which the
>city is named).  I'd love to go someday.  There are relatives of mine in
>Japan, none of whom I correspond with because my Japanese (written and
>oral) is so poor I could not write to them, and they don't speak English.
>


I'm sure it would help generate some interest if people knew her
surname. I've never run across a city named Petersen, so I assume
that Petersen is her married name.


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From: weiping@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Help needed for two Japanese names
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:18:11 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Could anybody help me to put the following Japanese names into English please?
Your help is appreciated.


1.
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Weiping Hu
From: cyf@sequent.com (Cyrus Foughty)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Where are the Japanese?
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:33:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct8.223338.19494
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <TORKEL.92Oct8192024@bast.sics.se> torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
>In article <Oct.8.13.34.13.1992.1644@soliton.rutgers.edu> zzhang@soliton.
>rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes:
>
>   >How can people talk about issues related to Japan with so few Japanese
>   >involved.
>
>  Why on earth shouldn't people be capable of talking about issues related
>to Japan with so few Japanese involved? Your question makes no apparent sense.
>
>   >By the way, I am not a Japanese myself.
>
>  You don't say! With a name like "ZhiZhong Zhang", who could have guessed?
Hey!  Pull the burr from under saddle.  Discussion, not attack.  I
know you are not one of those intellectual people who try to trod on
others to make himself more acceptable to himself.  Maybe you are
having a bad day. Let us not attack the person, but discuss the issue.

I am trying to understand Nihon by learning the language.  It has
enlightened my understanding of Japan.  The Japanese language reflects
much of the Japanese culture.  FRINSTANCE, when answering a question
they try not to say "no".  It is more of "It would not fit into my
schedule" type of an answer.  The answer should be taken as a "no"
rather than "We could change <whatever it is> to fit your schedule".
Also when the Japanese say "hai" translated to "yes", it doesn't mean
"yes", it means "I understand", not "I agree".  This gets
misinterpreted by americans.  Politeness is of key importance in
Japan.  Learning the culture and language of Japan explains many
apparent inconsistencies that americans view.

My opinion:  Many americans must obtain a global view of the world,
rather than a view limited to the U.S.  I have heard that quite a few
countries have the school children learn other languages fluently.
This should occur in the U.S.  as well.  The economy is global and
americans must deal with it.  I think that most americans should know
several languages.  There has been an influx of of peoples from other
countries in the last several years, so there is already someone to
talk to in your own city.  Many of the people who will read this
already know several foreign languages, english is probably one, and
they have a better understanding of the world.  My statements are not
meant to be generalizations.  It certainly does not apply to everyone,
or maybe not the majority at all.  My main point is that everyone
should learn of other cultures before they start any dialouge with
that culture.
-- 
Cy Foughty 
Sequent Computer Systems, Dallas, TX
cyf@sequent.com
Standard disclosure: This is my opinion and not Sequent's.
From: keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Scary in Japan
Date: 13 Oct 1992 10:35:52 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au

ay@cs.duke.edu (Akitoshi Yoshida) writes:

>o Spagetti : use a fork at a regular restaurant. At an elegant place,
>             use a spoon and a fork.

Wrong. This Japanized rule always puzzled me.
Italians do not use a spoon to catch loose spaghetti falling off from
a fork. You are supposed to roll strands of spaghetti around the fork.
The degenerated rule probably came from the culture where they don't
know how to eat spaghetti.                       

And I beg you not to make a sucking noise when you eat spaghetti
as if you eat "Udon" or "Soba."  I can't stand for it.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Buddhist Sects
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:00:20 GMT
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <1bj7goINNb4l@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>OK, so we all realize Buddhists are not Asian skinheads.  So then, since
>Nichiren Shoushuu and Soka Gakkai are rapid-growth industries in Northern
>California, can someone explain the difference (or is N-S a subsidiary
>of S-G)?  Otta sign up when Soka Gakkai gets around to campus interviewing.

Nichiren Shoushuu is a Buddhist sect founded on the teachings of Nichiren in
the thirteenth century.  There are other sects (such as Nichiren Shuu) which
also claim to be founded on the teachings of Nichiren.  The Soka Gakkai is
a `lay organization' founded by Makiguchi Tsunesaburo in the 1920's or
1930's, for the purpose of promoting the spread of Nichiren Shoushuu.

In the past year or two there has been a schism between the two groups so
you may find them working in competition with each other.

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From: kenji@tom.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Mr. Asano
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:43:16 GMT
Reply-To: kenji@tom.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Prakash S. Gulrajani (pg27+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: If you go to CMU how the hell do you have time to post all these
: messages - are you very hima?

Hear hear!
// Kenji
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: vlee@dgp.toronto.edu (Victor Yuencheng Lee)
Subject: Shameless Japaness must recognize and apologize for Invasion China
Summary: Must Apologize 
Keywords: Shameless Japaness, War Crime, Bloodless killer
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:18:23 GMT

Only shameless people on earth will deny their deeds.

and that's exactly whay Japaness are doing.


Only shameless people will try to cover up their shameless history.

and that's exactly what Japaness are doing.


SHAMELESS Japaness.

You have to face history, your God damned Emperor must apologize!

GOD DAMNED Bloodless killer.

:
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Thai Curry
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:50:24 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Waita sec!

                 I'm from Hokkiado. And, ever since I came to Tokyo in 86-87
I was looked as an "Ainu". But, since then I have eaten Thailandese
food. So, time out. So that I can jot down this recipe there. I mean
here. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: Politics
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:11:22 GMT

smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:

>>...both Bush and Clinton are fairly strong believers in free trade
>>(meaning unlikely to try to raise barriers against Japanese imports).
>>Clinton I believe is not quite as strong a believer as Bush (cf. his
>>qualified support for the North-American free-trade agreement).

>Clinton does not support Free Trade as I clearly explained in my previous post.
>Clinton swings pretty far into the protectionist camp.

>smittie
>--
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>GEnie, MCI, AOL:Smittie   All of these accounts except MCI will die on or
>smittie@beach.csulb.edu   about Dec 31. UNIX will be forwarded for 2 weeks.
>___________________________________________________________________________


Clinton is clearly more infavor of free trade than either the Japanese
government is or than your interesting interpretation portrays him.

Charlie
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: v999s3m2@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chihiro Oshima)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Swallows
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Did Swallows really win the pennant of the Central League in 1991 season?
The manager Nomura must be get the MVP.

Chili.
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Teen girl smoke
Date: 16 Oct 1992 21:23:17 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

Cmon Gene Smittie, how many netters out there are stupid enough to be
threatened by my generalizations.  Next thing I know, you're going to start 
flaming me that is is not true Amaterasu Omikami said "let there be an anthem"
and there dropped notes into the emperor's hands.  That goes for Navy
math man Els as well, at least I don't think most Catholic priests are 
child molestors.  Though, given the way religious figures are constantly
falling into sex scandals in our country, it's hard to say.

Who was it anyway, the Jieitai army major who proposed a coup to Shuukan
Bunshun?  No more tax-money bank bailouts.  At least under him the cash
machines would probably operate 24 hrs a day.
From: nakano@suncom1.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp (NAKANO Yasuaki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Heian Alphabet
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:34:07 GMT
Reply-To: nakano@suncom1.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp (NAKANO Yasuaki)
Organization: Dept. of Information Engineering, Shinshu Univ.,500 wakasato, Nagano, Japan

In article <1959@hsdndev.UUCP> rehir@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Hirokatsu Watanabe 432-2275) writes:
> sakimura@sscl.uwo.ca writes:
>>Iro ha nihoheto
> Iro wa nioedo (at the present pronounciation) 
   (stuff deleted)
>>Ehimo sesu
> ^
>'We' at the original poem.
> Eimo sezu (at the present pronounciation)

You are right. But I think the value of the "iroha" poem exists in
that each character (kana) is used once and only once. Reading the
poem using present pronounciation does not make sence for me.

I introduce one of the "iroha" variants;
     To ri na ku ko we su, yu me sa ma se,
     mi yo  a ke wa ta ru  hi  n ka si wo,
     so ra  i ro ha  e te,  o ki tu he ni,
     ho hu ne mu re wi nu  mo ya no  u ti.

It consists of 48 characters including the "n". If I could use kanji
to show the poem in this article, it would be more appreciated.
-- 
Yasuaki NAKANO
nakano@wakasato.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jkchan@lynx.cat.syr.edu (J. K. Chan)
Subject: Rent in San Fran
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 00:24:12 EDT


I am going to move to San Fran., CA in a month or so.  Could someone
tell me which area is comparatively safe and inexpensive to live over there?  
Especially in or near Hercules which is northeast to Richmond.
Any advice or suggestion is appreciated.
  
Please send email to the above address.
Thanks.
-Jim 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: 50 YEARS AGO TODAY: October 11-14 - Guadalcanal
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 22:23:07 GMT

In article <Bw3Cn2.M46@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
writes:
>tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee) writes:
>>What does this news item have anything to do with the issues to be talked
>>in this newsgroup? Does this author intend to cite his little history
>>book on the net? This is not a place for teaching. Nip-phile is he indeed
>>by examining the machine name "Ikkoku-Kan".
>These little bits of history are posted to soc.culture.japan on a regular
>or irregular basis. Some of us enjoy them, while most of those who do not
>are polite enough not to try to interfere with other's enjoyment. His posts
>are certainly more pertinent to soc.culture.japan than irrational whinings
>that a frequent poster to soc.CULTURE.JAPAN might have named a machine in
>Japanese.You might even find some value in the translation, if you have
>the time!

Chotto onegaishimasu.

Lee-san wa chuugokujin no yoo ni kangaetari yattari suru kara 
chuugokujin no yoo ni hanashimasu.  Itsumo kankei nai koto o
hanasu no ga suki.

Zannen ne.

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From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Ryuichi Sakamoto
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:06:28 GMT
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
Originator: ross-c@csparc2

In article <4618@sinec.cent.saitama-u.ac.jp> hash@ikarac5.ctrl.saitama-u.ac.jp (Toshihiko Hashimoto) writes:
>In article <6436@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement) writes:
>>only (IMHO) really interesting ones are two *excellent* collaborations with
>>David Sylvian (this may be a bit biased as I am a Sylvian fan). The songs
>>are:	Heartbeat (Tainai kaiki)
>>and	Cloud #9
>
>Actually, Tainai Kaiki collaborated with David Sylvian is 
>not included in the Japanese version.  He sang it at that

This is what I said in my posting. I was asking (out of curiosity) if these
songs were present on the "Heartbeat" release in other countries, e.g. rest
of Asia, Australia, US etc. Does anyone know?

>concert, and his voice really suited with Sakamoto's songs.
>We could find another collaboration by them in the movie
>sound track CD, "Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence".  I do not

The same song "Forbidden Colours" is available on the Sylvian CD "Secrets
of the Beehive", a complete CD full of Sakamoto/Sylvian collaborations.
F.C. itself is actually the very well known "Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence"
theme by R.S. with D.S. singing.

>know anything about "JAPAN"(this doesn't mean our country)
>at all, however, I love his voice.

Me too. (may I suggest "Secrets of the Beehive").

While we're on the subject of Japan(the group)/ex-YMO people collaborations,
does anyone know if the Takahashi Yukihiro/Steve Jansen collaborations are
available on CD yet? E.g. The E.P. "Stay Close", and Takahashi's album
"Wild and Moody" which includes the collaboration "Stranger things have
happened"?

Wondering whether this thread is suitable for soc.culture.japan,

Ross-c 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Re: this may take a liitle more time
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:50:16 GMT

In article <4eqCmN600Uh_03PwEA@andrew.cmu.edu> Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>For those of you who've just joined me- Welcome,
>
>
>                          
>                                                   I don't have the time
>to go back to the beginning so I'll try to fill you in as I go along.
>
>
>                                        .... that Nippon was in such a
>state of obidence to America that "We Could say No!" But, I feel that it
>was a combination of this and the overwelming opportunity to make money!
>Nihon made a lots of money on the blood of North Ko-ryuans. When I first
>realized this two years ago, I felt ashamed to look my Korean(even
>though I knew they were from the South)in the eyes. Now, even as I
>write, I feel that my conscience is clear
>toward God and Man(on this point). Maybe, if I go into some of the background 
>of the events that processed and lead up to the situation in which
>Nihon(at this point I will refer to Nippon in Marco Polo's
>Terminology).(I really think that it is approprate)finally conceeded to
>acted in accordance with it's former foes.
>{Damn I got nervous there for a second}. To do this I feel that I must examine
>Ko-ryu background before its rupture. But, to do this I feel I must
>break it down into parts. Because, I'm only human. I finish this Part
>One to tommorow.
>


Hmm...where did this thread start and who's discussing this issue, err..
whatever issue, with him? It sounds like he talking to someone, and he
has an issue in mind, but I can't really pintpoint both of them.
You must be Hanguk-Ilbon saram.....
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From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Three-legged Rika-chan
Keywords: conspiracy,feminism,CIA
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:46:10 GMT
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <1992Oct13.051546.23121@u.washington.edu> yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:
>
>Second, we need no explanation to conclude that the message contains images
>related to male or maleness.  Various ideas relating to oppressed women living
>in a male dominated society and the inevitable radical struggle to overthrow it
>(becoming more "man" than men) are becoming mixed up and contorted in these 
>poor little girls' mind to generate these hideous images of masculinized, 
>disfigured Rika-chans.

Actually, the story I read did contain some comments on the Freudian
significance of the `third leg.'

>Third, it is clear from that fact that Rika-chan speaks English ("I'm 
>Rika-chan"), the plotters are from an English speaking country.

Sorry, I was insufficiently clear.  The actual words used were (I think),
`Atashi Rika-chan....' I took the liberty of translating.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: robert@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Robert Morelos-Zaragoza)
Subject: JR Pass. HELP please
Organization: University of Hawaii, College of Engineering
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:59:13 GMT


Hi,

I will be travelling to Japan in December and need to purchase a JR
pass. The problem is that I am currently in the city of Monterrey, NL
in Mexico. I have tried to get the pass but haven't been successful.
Any ideas on where/how to get the pass will be appreciated.

Aloha,

Robert

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: GODZILLA VS. BIOLLANTE
Keywords: Godzilla Japan Monster Biollante
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:41:38 GMT

So has anyone seen the new Godzilla vs Mothra flick? I noticed it was showing
at several spots in Tokyo last weekend.

Charlie
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