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From: gix@mdd.comm.mot.com (Brian Gix)
Subject: Re: alt.adoption
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:28:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.231709.20051@news.ysu.edu> doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell) writes:
>gix@mdd.comm.mot.com (Brian Gix) writes:
>
>:  Please don't delete it unless it is proven to be a dud.
>
>I didn't delete it.  But I didn't create it either (I don't honor auto-
>matic newgroups), and won't until it's discussed in alt.config.

Well, does this discussion count as a discussion?  I posted someone else's
idea of a "proposed charter" which I think covers the topic well...

I believe this would be a vary valuable "self-help" type of group for
people who have some part in the fairly emotional issue.

I am not well versed in alt protocol.....   When is it "decided" to create
the newgroup, and who is suppose to do it???
Is there a set # of discussion days, CFV protocols etc?

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From: csa@sw.stratus.com (Chris Arthur)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.hypnosis
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:34:06 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pennies.sw.stratus.com

In article <BxK7z1.B4w@unix.amherst.edu>, 
  twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> 
> >I'd like to propose a new group to be called alt.hypnosis, for
> >discussion of all aspects of hypnosis, trance states, etc.  Comments?
> 
> Would alt.psychology.hypnosis be appropriate, seeing as how we have
> the possibility of another alt.psychology group simultaneously in the
> works?  This is just a question -- I know nothing about psychology or
> hypnosis, and so might be dead wrong.

It's a nice idea from an organizational standpoint.  However, as other
posts have pointed it, it limits the scope of the hypnosis group.  My
own interest in hypnosis extends far beyond the traditional realm of
psychology.  Therefore, I think we should call the group alt.hypnosis.

						Chris Arthur

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Creating alt.united.we.stand.america
Organization: Homosexual Fascist Lobby, Rampant Paranoia Division
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:04:16 GMT

In article <LANCER.92Nov6101244@pitt.WPI.EDU> lancer@pitt.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) writes:

>us.politics.perot would be cool...

Propose it on us.config!  Capital suggestion.

>The people who said alt.politics.united-we-stand-america was too long
>were right.  How about:
>
>alt.politics.perot

Yes.  That's great.  I vote for `alt.politics.perot' -- that's an
excellent name.  alt.politics.usa.perot would be even better, but
c'est la vie.

>alt.politics.uwsa

Better: alt.politics.usa.uwsa.  But: do you really want something that
cryptic?  (Serious question.)

>alt.politics.united-we-stand

Better: alt.politics.usa.united-we-stand.  But: too long, again.  It's
not just a matter of typing, as I mentioned before.

>alt.politics.third-party

Better: alt.politics.usa.third-party.  But: would that really be a
good idea?  Lumping all third-party candidates into a single group?
Perot, Fulani, Marrou, LaRouche, Nader, all duking it out at once?
(Well, on second thought, it doesn't sound *that* bad after all. :-)

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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.sigma2.height
From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Grizabella)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: ALT.WEREWOLVES
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-20100]: thor
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:40:56 GMT

One vote for! :)

Meow...
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From: asspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: My $.02 on the Perot group proposal
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:48:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fnordbox Escape Committee
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC

1)  Putting the group under a party designation would be wrong.  To
the best of my knowledge, United We Stand is not recognized as a
political party in even one state.  The only way this would work is
for the group to be placed under alt.org.* or alt.politics.org.*.

2)  Before you all go hog wild on post-election proposals for
newsgroups, consider the discussion we had when I proposed
alt.politics.* groups for minor presidential candidates.  Basically,
it was more or less decided that the best thing to do would be to have
party-based newsgroups, residing under alt.politics.usa.party.*.  I
was working on something, and if I have time, I'll post it to the net. 
Or, if someone has more time than I to do something about it, please
e-mail me and I'll send you details of where I've headed with this.

3)  Remember the 14-character limit for newsgroup name components.  If
you separate the words in United We Stand with dashes, it comes out to
15 characters.  I don't like the looks of unitedwestand, but I can't
think of any way to reasonably truncate it.  In all reality, since H.
Juan Peron really controls this whole thing and everyone involved in
it, and the organization is going to do nothing but lay low until
Peron or Peron Jr. decides to run, it's really best to stick with
alt.politics.perot, IMO.

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: CFD:  Creating an alt.* Newsgroup For Personality Typing Systems
Organization: Homosexual Fascist Lobby, Rampant Paranoia Division
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:15:34 GMT

Why not put out a real RFD for sci.psychology.personality?  I'm
skeptical of a group devoted solely to a single model of personality
types, and I think that a (mainstream) Usenet newsgroup for discussing
the study of personality would be well-received.

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From: ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: APOLOGIES: Help with newgroup'ings
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:46:31 GMT
Expires: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 19:46:32 GMT
Organization: University of Wales - Aberystwyth - Prifysgol Cymru


Apologies to all those who've mailed me over the past few weeks about
help with issuing newgroup messages, I've been buried under work and
stuff, and am only just catching up with the non-work related e-mail
I've had.  Hopefully within the next week or so I'll be in a situation
where I can reply to you all. 

Drwg blin pawb !
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.binaries.pictures.d
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Newgroup:  ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.NUDE
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:39:15 GMT

In article <69364@cup.portal.com> Tazzie@cup.portal.com (Jon S Novak) writes:

>Here's a little extra to add to the proposal for alt.binaries.pictures.nude
>
>It should most DEFINITELY be a moderated group.

It's still not going to prevent people from posting pictures of nude
children to alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.  You'd have to moderate the
whole hierarchy to make that work, and even then there would be
slipups.

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From: mike@raven.alaska.edu (Mike Kienenberger)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: alt.culture.oregon proposal
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:32:35 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska, Fairbanks

alt.culture.oregon is an unmoderated newsgroup which was proposed in
alt.config on two occasions, most recently on 13 October of this year.  
Seeing as how there was no objection at either time, this newgroup is 
being issued for creation of the group.  For your newsgroups file:

alt.culture.oregon		Discussion about the state of Oregon

alt.culture.oregon will be for discussing issues, events, the history,
the future and the people of the state of Oregon.  Its creation came
about due to the existence of alt.fan.tom_peterson and the fact that
most of the traffic being received in a.f.t_p was actually more relevant
to a group such as this.  This group will also serve as a means for the 
large number of expatriates out there on the net to stay connected with 
their former (and perhaps again future) home.

This newgroup is being issued by the news admin here in the interest of
seeing propagation at those sites which only honor newgroups issued by
site admins.  However, queries for information should be directed to the
proposer of the group, Sean Ryan <asspr@acad3.alaska.edu>.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

During the course of the next few days, I will be re-introducing groups
originally proposed by Sean Ryan <asspr@acad3.alaska.edu>.   If, after three
days, there is a favorable response, I will be issuing newgroups for these
groups.  If, after three days, there is no response, I will assume that there
is no interest in these groups.  Responses can be posted (preferred) to
alt.config or mailed to mike@raven.alaska.edu.  My apologies to Sean Ryan for
the delay in starting this process.

Neither I nor the University of Alaska-Fairbanks neither condemn nor condone
any of the proposed newsgroups.
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From: lancer@pitt.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Creating alt.united.we.stand.america
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:12:44
Organization: ZikZak Corporation
	<LANCER.92Nov5144348@rajeesh.WPI.EDU>
	<1992Nov06.123820.211@acme.gen.nz>
NNTP-Posting-Host: pitt.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: kilroy@acme.gen.nz's message of Fri, 06 Nov 92 12:38:20 GMT

>>>>> "kilroy" == earthbound misfit, I <kilroy@acme.gen.nz> writes:
[stuff about too-long-newsgroup-name deleted]
kilroy> United we stand where?

United We Stand America is the name of Ross Perot's "party", and his
followers hope to organize it into either a third party or a
"nonpolitical" party for nominating future candidates.

kilroy> How about alt.politics.us.whatever? Or even us.politics......?

us.politics.perot would be cool...
The people who said alt.politics.united-we-stand-america was too long
were right.  How about:

alt.politics.perot
alt.politics.uwsa
alt.politics.united-we-stand
alt.politics.third-party

in keeping with the alt heirarchy...

.s.
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d
From: john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (John Blasik)
Subject: Re: Newgroup:  ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.NUDE
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:31:59 GMT

In article <FnIArACJBh107h@momad.UUCP> taz%momad@infoserv.com writes:
>
>HERE IS A PROPOSAL:
>
>
>	In light of the recent postings of questionable pictures of nudity, I 
>        propose a new news.group, "ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.NUDE"  

Whazamada? were those not smutty enough or something?!?!

>
>	This newsgroup will be for posting of pictures of the human body, but 
>        not necessarily in a sexual manner.  This should not become a place
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         |
---------+
>	for posting nude children, but for nude PEOPLE, adult or children.
>
>	ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.EROTICA can remain as a forum for sexually 
>	explicit pictures, whereas clean nudity, without direct sexual
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                                 |
-------------------------------------------------+
>	connotation, will be posted in ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.NUDE.


Make up your mind!

Then, hykok@nyx.cs.du.edu (Herbie Husker) chimes in with:
}You have my vote.  I rather see cute girls and I think I have seen enough of
}the hard core pictures already.  More ds-f-*, dfg, obabe, etc.

Those pictures are from "girly" magazines which are at home in
a.b.p.female thou I bet that group is aliased to a.b.p.erotica
on many sites.

I doubt any serious narurists would follow a a.b.p.nude group
since it would end up containing such as what The Husker suggests.

The correct place for nudist/naturist pix is a.b.p.misc with perhaps
a [tag] in the Subject so readers can kill or mark as desired.

As always, posters to a.b.p.erotica should exersize
their judgement and NOT post pornography, since everybody
knows nude != sex && erotica != pornography :-)

From reading Taz' other droppings on news.* it appears to me that
perhaps what he should really propose is
	a.b.p.pornography.as-judged-by-taz%momad 

I also object to this proposal since the newgroup control
message will probably wedge my terminal emulator! BUHWHAHAHHAHAHA!

-- john
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: Creating alt.united.we.stand.america
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:58:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.170318.2313@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>In article <Bx8wpF.Kqp@rice.edu> byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd) writes:
>>Several of us over in the alt.politics.perot newsgroup would like to form
>>a newsgroup for our budding political (un-political) party, United We Stand,
>>America.  
>
>Dots in a newsgroup name are not generally considered appropriate to separate
>words.

I agree with you 100%, viz a viz the newsgroups
	alt.non.sequitur
	alt.fan.matt.welsh

mdw

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From: Tazzie@cup.portal.com (Jon S Novak)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Newgroup:  ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.NUDE
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 10:38:05 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Nov12.000856.10564@brainiac.mn.org>

Here's a little extra to add to the proposal for alt.binaries.pictures.nude



It should most DEFINITELY be a moderated group.  Of course, we have to
find a moderator who is willing to sift through MEGS of pictures and
post only the appropriate ones, but it IS an important measure to consider.

Of course, we can try the group unmoderated and see if it works, and put
in a moderator if it gets out of hand.  Is there any way to create a group
on a trial basis, besides using the trial.* heirarchy (Which nobody uses!)
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: asspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan)
Subject: Status: New alt.* groups as proposed by me
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Reply-To: sean@freds.cojones.com
Organization: Fnordbox Escape Committee
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:18:00 GMT

On October 13, I proposed a slew of new alt.* groups.  On October 25,
after hearing all the discussion both pro and con, I posted a summary. 
From that, there were five of the proposals which saw no objection
from anyone.  They were:

alt.culture.alaska
alt.culture.oregon
alt.rock-n-roll.classic
alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
alt.tv.infomercials

I decided not to issue these newgroups myself, as it has been
established here that some sites do not honor newgroups issued by
users.  Since these are serious proposals and I desire not to see the
propagation of the groups suffer as a result of any technicalities,
not to mention the fact that I learned my lesson last year with
alt.fan.tom_peterson, I asked the news admin here, Mike Kienenberger
<mike@raven.alaska.edu> to issue these newgroups on my behalf.

Rather than accept what transpired here in alt.config and simply issue
the newgroups, Mike basically chose to subject them to a process
entirely of his own, using criteria entirely outside of the altnet 
guidelines, both formal or informal.  The result of all of this is the 
traffic of the past week or so which Mike has initiated, in which he 
re-introduces the group proposals which were already previously 
proposed last month, and which already passed muster with the folks on 
this newsgroup.  This has caused all sorts of problems.

In short, I made the decision to bypass all of this silly bullshit. 
Since I already went through the proposal process with these groups,
I've asked another admin to issue the newgroups.  This has already
been done from freds.cojones.com.  The messages should be making their
way out to the net within 12 hours or so after you receive this
article.

The point I'm making in all of this is, if you see newgroups being
issued for groups that are currently being hashed out in alt.config,
these were already originally hashed out last month and what you see
going on right now is the product of one admin who is currently
interfering with the whole process because he has little idea of how
the process works.  So consider that these newgroups are valid,
regardless of what it may appear to be.

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From: beigel-richard@cs.yale.edu (Richard Beigel)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Newgroup:  ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.NUDE
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:16:32 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: beech.theory.cs.yale.edu


The net is not ready for this news group.  An unmoderated nude photo
group is likely to be largely pornographic, duplicating the
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica hierarchy.  --- Richard


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Newsgroups: alt.config,talk.politics.misc
From: bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC)
Subject: Re: new alt.politics.* groups
Organization: NASA/GSFC code 923
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:30:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.154547.10894@raven.alaska.edu> mike@raven.alaska.edu (Mike Kienenberger) writes:
>In article <JKP.92Nov9031659@cardhu.cs.hut.fi> jkp@cs.hut.fi (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>>In a week, I will create the five new alt.politics.* groups descibed
>>below.  Email or post any suggested changes to group names and/or
>>descriptions.
>>
>>alt.politics.org.un		Politics of United Nations
>>alt.politics.media		Media and politics
>>alt.politics.economics		Political economics: taxes, gov. budgets
>>alt.politics.sex		"Blue laws", decency laws, sexual behaviour
>>alt.politics.equality           Equality and discrimination
>
>Great.  More groups to add to the jyrki file.  How many is this now?
>500?  You can stop any time.  You've got the world record.
>=============================================================================
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> University of Alaska-Fairbanks



I call for the creation of alt.politics.jyrki-kuoppala

I see a HUGE need.

I'll send out the newgroup in a week or so if the response is good.

TTFN,
M
From: v093n5bn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (From the Mind of Captain Jack)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: ALT.WEREWOLVES
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:04:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov12.154810.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>, jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes...
>I would like to propose an alt.werewolves newsgroup. 

	[...text deleted...]

>If you think that you are at all interested in this group, please post your
>support here and spread the word to other groups.


	Consider this a vote in support of this Idea.

							-Capt. Jack
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.letterman,rec.arts.tv
From: vice@cwis.unomaha.edu (Chad Vice)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.fan.chris-elliott (2nd attempt)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:20:15 GMT

I am in favor of the Chris Elliot fan group as well.

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg)
Subject: Re: CFD:  Creating an alt.* Newsgroup For Personality Typing Systems
Organization: Generic American College Kids (G.A.C.K.)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:26:03 GMT
Reply-To: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg)
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

sellmer@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Peter Sellmer) writes:
>noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>>I, as well as many others on Usenet, have developed an interest in systems
>>that map human personalities, the Myers-Briggs being the more well-known one.
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>>Thus, I propose that we create an alt.* group dedicated to discussing the
>>Myers-Briggs as well as other systems that exist to map personalities.

[more stuff deleted]

>I like the idea, although I would prefer that it just be alt.personality,
>since you are inevitably going to end up talking about more than just one
>or two systems, like the Myers-Briggs.

I agree that alt.personality is a better name for it.  In fact, I think this
group is a very good idea.

A question: Does the intended scope of the group include such "traditional"
psychometric devices as the MMPI (Minnesota Multiphasic Personality
Inventory), Rorschach testing, intelligence tests, etc., or do you intend to
leave that for the "legitimate" network to carry?

	Seth "the Lesser"

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