HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tfischer@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Thomas C. Fischer)
Subject: Re: $758 for an oil change?
Organization: National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA)
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:28:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.170215.1@us.oracle.com>, eoates@us.oracle.com writes:
|> In article <kelley.714109402@cwis>, kelley@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sean Kelley) writes:
|> > meiboy@tsoft.sf-bay.org (MeiBoy of UCU) writes:
|> > 
|> >>Usually when I take my car to the Ford dealer every 7500 miles for
|> >>sheduled maintenance, it costs about $170 and it includes
|> >>oil change, checking the hoses, battery, etc., lubing the chassis,
|> >>and rotating the tires.  
|> >>But today, I took my car in for the 30,000 mile sheduled maintenance
|> >>service and the  guy told me it will cost $758.  And this is not
|> >>for fixing anything.
|> >>Can anybody tell me what they do at 30,000 mi. that they don't
|> >>do at other mileages on Ford cars?
|> >>Has any other Ford owners experienced the same thing at their
|> >>30,000 mile maintenance
|> > 
|> > WHAT THE HELL....170 DOLLARS FOR MAINTANCE...!!!!!!.....
|> > 
|> > lets see...oil change 20 bucks at jiffy lube...or the whole deal for 60
|> > bucks or so...maybe, now, when you take it in, do the do tune up
|> > also..like change the plugs and suck...if so, if its a FI car..a tune
|> > may cost 100 dollars at the most....but 758...now that sounds like a
|> > rip...do you have a written list of what that included?...new
|> > injectors...a new engine?...what...750...now what could that include...
|> > a tune up...150...so that leaves 500...now, new
|> > injectors....200...maybe..that leaves 300...50 bucks to wash the
|> > car??...and that leaves 250 for a tip for the mechanic!?...I hope you
|> > had this done as an esitimat first and not just done with out being
|> > called...i would really like to know what all they did...
|> > .
|> 
|> You guys should get Ferari's: $2000 every 15K miles for the tuneup...
|> 
|> To find out what the $758 covers, look in your owners manual and it is listed
|> in the maintenance section.
|> 
|> Ed Oates (my opinions, not Oracle's)

You're getting taken.  My friend just took her Ford into the dealer here
for a standard 30,000 mile checkup/tuneup, and it only cost her $425.  It
would have cost her less, but she had to have her rear bearings repacked.
What kind of Ford do you own?  Hers is a '91 Escort.  Maybe there are
pricing differences between cars, but $750 is still a lot of money...

tom
From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mustang SVO (Was Re: 86-88 T'bird: Turbo, V6 or V8?)
Date: 17 Aug 1992 16:40:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister

From article <1992Aug16.101236.29906@tsoft.sf-bay.org>, by meiboy@tsoft.sf-bay.org (MeiBoy of UCU):
> Real Mustang enthusiasts would never go for this for turbos tarnish 
> its muscle car image

I reckon that you don't get it.  The SVO is the only collectable Mustang
of the 80s.

Chris Prael
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:47:14 EDT
From: <WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Chrysler TC by Maserati

Hello,
I just took my car in for service at my Chrysler dealer and saw one of
these cars on the lot.  I've seen these  cars advertised used for far less
than the original new prices of $30k to $37k.   I understand Chrysler had
some quality problems with the early 1989 models.   Were ANY of the TC
6 cylinder models equipped with the lousy ultradrive transmission?  How
are these cars on reliability?  Does anybody think they'll be a collector's
item 10+ years down the road?  They seem like a fun and unique little
roadsters for the money.  Any comments (good or bad) would be appreciated!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: stoppani@ninja.zso.dec.com (Pete Stoppani)
Subject: Re: Does anyone like the new Prelude?
Reply-To: stoppani@ninja.zso.dec.com (Pete Stoppani)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:50:42 GMT


In article <1992Aug13.181956.14598@Armstrong.EDU>, newso584@Armstrong.EDU (Robert Newsome) writes:
|>
|>When I was looking at Honda Civics the other day, I asked the salesman about
|>the new Preludes.  He told me that they were selling better than the earlier
|>models.  But you know how salesmen are.
|>

	Well, here in Seattle/Bellevue Wash, new Preludes are
	popping up all over the place.

	To me the new Ludes are a big disappointment.  I had
	an 85 until this Feb.  I was really looking forward to
	upgrading to the new Ludes, especially with all the rumors
	of a V6 and four wheel drive (which is nice here in the soggy
	northwest).  When the new Ludes came out I was really
	disappointed so I started looking for some other car.  I ended 
        up with a 92 300ZX which has turned out to be fantastic "runner up"!

	The new Ford Probe comes much closer to what I expected from
	Honda for the new Lude.  At least Honda finally put a descent engine
	in the new Ludes

--
| Pete Stoppani          | stoppani@rust.zso.dec.com                 |
|  DECwest Engineering   | stoppani@decwet.enet.dec.com              |
|  Bellevue, WA          | decwrl!fungus.enet!stoppani               |
From: jrs@cbnews.cb.att.com (jeff.sherota)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Limited Edition Miatas
Keywords: miata
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:41:45 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <5585@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> huddle@vttcf.cc.vt.edu (Scott (the Freshman) Huddle) writes:
>
>	I am looking into buying one of the limited edition
>Mazda Miatas of the last two years.  The '91 is British Racing
>Green with the "B" option package (leather ints, CD standard)
>and the '92 is Black also with the "B" option package.  Both
>were made in limited production runs of 4000.

Just how limited is 4,000 (I thought it was 1,500 each of for yellow and
black during 1992)?  What is the current Miata annual production (probably
less than 20,000 a year)?

I doubt they make many more than 4,000 white or blue Miata's a year.
4,000 sounds more like limited to the number they would be able to sell.

				Jeff Sherota
				jrs@cblpe.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: thorn@wam.umd.edu (Greg Thornwall)
Subject: Toyota dealers holdback & getting a fair deal.
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:31:22 GMT



Here is the truck that I was dealing on:

1992 TOYOTA 4X4 SR5 MODEL 8558 $22,326 (list w/ current options)

                    INVOICE
OPTIONS:            $2,604
FACTORY REBATE:     -$450
DESTINATION:        $295
BASE PRICE:         $15,910  DEALERS OFFER

TOTAL:              $18,359     $19,300

WITH TRADE IN:      $14,700     $15,300 


They offered $15,300 with trade and I said the I'd give them 14,700
with the trade but they would not go down any further. I wonder if
this is a fair offer? I know it depends on the trade.  They also
have an advertising fee of $494 that they want to charge me!

I also was wondering if anyone knew what Toyota dealers holdback
was on their trucks. The best estimate I can come up with is about
2% ($367). A friend just bought a Cadillac and they disclosed a
dealer hold back of 3.38%. I know that the salesman never sees this
but it should be taken in consideration while dealing. There also
might be other incentives from the factory that the dealer gets. It
is getting close to the end of the 92 year.

I read a interesting book on buying a car by Remar Sutton called
"Don't Get Taken Every Time". He has a lot of inside stuff that
goes on at dealerships. 

BTW, one of the salesmen said that Toyota was coming out with midsize truck
in Oct. and a fullsize truck in Dec. 



thanks                --Greg thorn@wam.umd.edu
From: jca@bliss.fibercom.com (Chris "Cheesester" Akers)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Performance goodies for 91 Mustang GTs
Keywords: Performance Parts
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:07:03 GMT
Organization: FiberCom, Inc., Roanoke, Virginia

In article <1992Aug12.002655.17442@almserv.uucp> fmara@crash.compass.fnma.com (Frank Mara) writes:
>Hi guys (gender nuetral saluation) - 
>
>I have a completely stock 1991 Mustang GT (5.0 liter V8).  I am interested  
>in beefing it up in a manner sufficient to make my insurance agent even  
>more nervous.
>
>Has anyone else done this?  I am interested in serious street machines not  
>kiddy racers.  Would appreciate some advice as to how/where to start.  All  
>suggestions welcome (except to purchase a chevy)
>
>Thanks

Well, for starters, you want to go with a K&N air filter, a good underdrive
pulley set, and another computer.  Lower the rear-end gear ratio to a 3.55
to 3.73 and get some good M&H Racemaster Street Slicks.  If you want to get
serious, you also need to change the camshaft.  Assuming you do all this,
and have a 5 speed and can launch and shift consistently hard, you will now
be keeping up (might put a fender length on me) with my _stock_ '92 5.7 Z28.
Then you have to put a nitrous kit on...  it's mandatory around here.  There
are varying stages that can put your car into the 12's with the mod's above.
(You might also want to change your heads and install a good shifter.)
You can get all of this stuff from Summit Racing Equipment in Ohio-Excellent!
or Jeg's.(Texas, I think)  They are the two lowest performace parts houses
on the Earth that we have found.  Jeg's prices are slightly higher, but
doesn't charge shipping.  If you want details on recommended part #s for the
above or more mods (Chevy is my thing) send me E-mail.  I have several friends
who drive their 5.0's on the street and turn 12's (and better) in the 1/4,
and they would certainly be a better source for Ford info than me!
Forget the Ford/Chevy thing, now a days we're just happy to see anyone drive
a V-8 with Real (sic.) Wheel Drive!   :-)
Chris.


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: glenda@cbnews.cb.att.com (glenda.lynne.childress)
Subject: Ford Escort?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:16:46 GMT


Does anyone have experience with the Escorts built in 91 or 92?  Consumer
reports (auto, '91) says it is "too soon to tell" if they are
reliable.  Please email your response as I don't read this group.

thanks,
Glenda L. Chidlress
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: WANTED: Road & Track Magazine 1946-1959
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:06:05 GMT

WANTED: Road & Track Magazine 1946 - 1959.

My moving company lost part of my collection.
I am looking for perfect condition (or nearly perfect)
Volume I, Number 1, through December, 1959
Road & Track Magazine.  Binders okay.  Bound okay.
Partials okay.

Please send price including shipping via E-mail.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Michelin MXV tire and its competitors
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:31:44 GMT

In article <23730@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
>In rec.autos, knightf@infonode.ingr.com (Frank Knight) writes:
>>In article <Bt4zC3.Cz7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> msingh@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (T
>>he Supreme Commander) writes:
>#>i (richard welty) wrote, but the attribution was discarded:
>#>>on a price/performance basis, the MXV is one of the worst tires
>#>>Michelin has ever produced.  i was never happier than when i finally
>								^^^^^^^
>#>>wore out the set that came as OE on my Alfa sedan and got to
>   ^^^^
>#>>replace them with decent tires.

>Long life, and your complaining? If they were that bad, why not just
>replace them?

nope; the life was 20,000 miles, but the tires were so bad that
i hated every minute of it.  the cost of tires is high
enough, that when on a budget, you think twice about replacing
servicable tires, even if you don't like them.

>#>I had a set of MXV's on my '87 Integra. Now, that car is bad in slick
>#>conditions as it is, but the MXV's made it *far* worse. Terrible set
>#>of tires in my opinion.

>A car that is bad in the rain, and you want tires to cure the bad design?

i can't speak of the relative badness/goodness of an Integra in the
rain, but i can tell you that my Alfa is made into a completely different
car with a simple tire change.  the wet performance with Yoko A509s is
so superior to the MXV that it is quite astonishing.

richard
-- 
richard welty                            518-393-7228
welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
  ``if you can read this, mario, you're too close''
    -- bumper sticker seen on a CART safety truck
From: leo@ai.mit.edu (Leonardo C. Topa)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: news from VW for 93
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:11:08 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

does anybody know what they will announce for 93? someone told me they
have a 5 cylinder in-line engine in the works: is it true? What car
(if any) would have it?
--

Leonardo C. Topa
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Room E25-506
45 Carleton Street
Cambridge, MA 02139

internet: lct@ai.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: smoriya@synoptics.com
Subject: Re: Does anyone like the new Prelude?
Reply-To: smoriya@synoptics.com
Organization: Synoptics Inc. Santa Clara, California.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:58:59 GMT

In article Byt@news.cso.uiuc.edu, rra21220@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rae R. Aranas) writes:
>I was just wondering what
>all of the rec.auto readers
>thought about the new 
>Honda Prelude 
>
>Looking for opinions,
>RRA


My teenage son and daughter and I all agree on this one thing.  If the new Prelude
wasn't so ugly, it would be funny looking.  The previous verious was much nicer.


From: eric@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Eric Lucas)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:13:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Saturn featured on cover of this weeks BUSINESS WEEK
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

To an unexpected attack by Don to my previous post, Eric writes:

>
>|> 
>|>   I just bought a 1992 SL2 and think its great.  GM has finally got its act
>|> together.  If more companies would follow the philosophies that Saturn has,
>|> the US car companies would be able to get out of the hole they've dug for
>|> themselves.  I hope Saturn doesn't get a bum rap.

>Well, lack of power and handling hasn't helped, but I think they'll do OK.
>They are certainly better than the crapy Sunbirds.

I wouldn't say they lack power and handling.  My SL2 can do 0-60 in ~8 seconds
and I can take sharp corners with the best of them.  For the price, you really
can't beat it.  And yes they are better than those crapy Sunbirds.

>|> 
>|> 
>|> Eric Lucas
>|> Hewlett Packard
>|> SAD 
>|> Industrial Design
>|> 
>|> Buy American

>No, buy Canadian, or better yet buy whatever you want.  Obviously our company
>shouldn't have bought HP computers, they not built in Canada (BTW, we own 4,000+
>in one site).

Just what exactly is wrong with all those HP computers you bought?  Obviously
your company bought what it thought was a good product.  I bought my Saturn
because I think it's one of the best cars for the money, not because it's
American.  But then I can't deny that I would buy a product to support my
country.

>Some people just do not understand the international trade concept.  Why do you
>think the NAFTA was signed?  Why do you think the EEC is forming?  Why do you
>think you have a job?  God, think about it!  And post only to 'usa' distribution
>if you're going to wave the flag.

I don't think that 'Buy American' counts as flag waving.  Come on.

>Don
>My brain, my thoughts, my words.
>Let's pretend that protestants and catholics are friends.
>   Northern Pikes

Stop flaming! 

Eric Lucas
HP SAD ID 

Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.boats
From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Subject: Re: Slick 50 and Synthetic Oil
Organization: gte
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:20:15 GMT

In article <ASH.92Aug7152036@ulysses.mr.ams.com>, ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
> In article <BsLJ0s.7Dw@news.udel.edu> iseman@ravel.udel.edu (Stephen Early) writes:
> 
> > I've heard that once you use a synthetic oil, NEVER use anything else.  Based
> > on this advice I'd avoid the slick 50 in the truck.  As far as the boat goes,
> > I wouldn't use it there since you intend to use synthetic later.  Sorry I 
> > can't tell you why.
> 
> But Slick 50 is a motor TREATMENT.  You put in a quart, it coats your
> engine parts (with silicone?), and then you don't use it again for
> 50,000 miles.  It's not an oil additive or an oil in its own right.
> And it's definitely synthetic!
> 

Slick 50 is a PTFE resin which coats the metal inside the engine (PTFE
is commonly known as teflon in pots and pans). 

If I remember correctly, the Slick 50 instruction say not to add to 
synthetic oil (???)  [Probably because Slick 50 has a petroleum
oil base.]

Given the choice of using a synthetic oil or regular oil w/ Slick 50,
I took the Slick 50 (for truck and boat) -- in the long run it is
much cheaper and, IMHO, offers similar protection [I couldn't find
any data to compare the two and I assumed that if synthetic oil 
manufacturers had data showing why I should spend more, they would
make it available to me.  

I'm happy with the Slick 50 so far (36,000 miles on the truck - about
half of it pulling 2,700 to 3,000 lbs - and two years on the boat).








-- 
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
gtephx!forda@enuucp.eas.asu.edu  OR  !uunet!samsung!romed!enuucp!gtephx!forda
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: haase@zaphod.uchicago.edu (Mark Haase)
Subject: HumVee 4 Sale??
Summary: question
Keywords: HumVee, AMC
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Univ. of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:25:25 GMT

Dear Users,

It is my understanding that AMC sells military-grade HumVees to the 
general populus.  Does anyone know who or where to contact AMC for this 
information?  Thanks.

Chris Haase
Univeristy of Chicago
(I need one in my neighborhood!)
Xref: sparky rec.autos:19892 rec.autos.driving:4880
From: xepama@usmi02.midland.chevron.com (P.Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Replacement tire pressure
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:28:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: chevron

My VW van needs new tires.  The ones which it had are no longer
made.  My tire dealer has recommended a different brand. 

My problem is that the owners' manual states I need to have 39 PSI
in the front tires and 48 in back for normal loads, and the replacement
brand has a max pressure of 40 PSI.  It seems to me that the newer tires
would be unsuitable, yet the maker claims they are the correct model
for my vehicle.

Can someone out there give me a good explanation of how a 40 PSI tire
can meet a 48 PSI requirement?  Neither the dealer nor VW's 800 number
answer man has been able to convince me.  Thanks.
-- 
Parker Mann                    xepama@usmi02.midland.chevron.com
 
"Keep those cards and letters."
From: drt@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Robert Toreki)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Hood Locks?
Summary: cheaper than $295...
Keywords: hood lock, ignition kill switch
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:23:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug20.202306.2690
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <20AUG199209102715@erin.caltech.edu> shoppa@erin.caltech.edu (TIM
SHOPPA) writes: 

>	When I got my new car the dealer was trying to sell me a hood lock
>system called, I believe, "Z-lock".  It looked like a cable that attached
>to some sort of lock mechanism on the front of the hood that ran to a lock
>that came out below the instrument panel.  I haven't seen similar things
>available anywhere else, but would like to try to install one myself.
>Does anyone know where I can get the parts for such a system?  I'd even
>be willing to cobble stuff together out of hardware store parts and maybe
>even do a little machining and welding myself.  (I think the dealer wanted
>$295.00 for the basic hood lock!)
y

	I just checked out prices at nondealer places in the Chicago area and
was given quotes ranging from $85 to $165.  These key locks also act as
ignition kill switches.  I was checking them out since I just got a new car
after someone torched my old one by popping the hood and setting fire to my
engine.
	As far as insurance discount goes, some will give you a discount on
your comprehensive for a hood lock.  Ignition kill switches will also get you
a small discount on your comprehensive.  Ones that you have to activate with a
key etc. will get you 5% off whereas one where you have to push a hidden
button while cranking qualify for 15% off comprehensive.
	Shop around.  The prices I heard didn't seem too bad and you will have
someone else to hold responsible if the wiring gets screwed up.

						Rob
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff Chilton)
Subject: Re: Saturn featured on cover of this weeks BUSINESS WEEK
Organization: RICOH California Research Center
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:36:51 GMT

joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins) writes:
[...]
> Stempel (Chairman) has some reservations since he thinks that
> Saturn owners can simply graduate to bigger GM cars, i.e. Chevrolet, 
> Oldsmobile, Pontiac, etc. BW disagrees with him.
[...]


   Saturn has caused quite a fuss.  New Saturn owners are very happy
   with their purchases, and appear willing to die to defend them.  But GM?
   It seems to me that Saturn owners would like to forget that GM has
   anything to do with Saturn.

   It inherently makes more sense to increase the Saturn line, as I
   believe will soon be happening with the introduction of a larger sedan.
   In fact, it wouldn't be too surprising if after some time, other GM
   models began to be rebadged to fly the Saturn flag.  GM has a good
   thing going with Saturn, and even though I'm not a fan, I really hope
   they don't screw it up.
From: dan@seismo.noname (Dan Hagedorn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: WASHINGTON DC PARKING TICKET Limit before
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:10:03 GMT
Reply-To: dan@seismo.noname
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.


PAY THE TICKETS, YOU DEAD-BEAT !!!!!!!!!!!!
Then you will have NO problems driving to D.C.
Xref: sparky rec.autos:20064 rec.autos.driving:4939
From: chrisg@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Chris Granitz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Michelin MXV tire and its competitors
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:17:46 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: usa
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug17.184721.17727@infonode.ingr.com> knightf@infonode.ingr.com (Frank Knight) writes:
>In article <Bt4zC3.Cz7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> msingh@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (The Supreme Commander) writes:
>>>on a price/performance basis, the MXV is one of the worst tires
>>>Michelin has ever produced. 
>>
>>I had a set of MXV's on my '87 Integra. Now, that car is bad in slick
>>conditions as it is, but the MXV's made it *far* worse. Terrible set
>>of tires in my opinion.
>>
>I *like* my MXV's, grip well and are smooth as silk at any speed
>(<125mph)

     This is one aspect of the Michelins that seem to be better than most
other tires, IMHO. They seem to have a much "rounder" (truer ?!) feeling to
them. They also seem to balance very nicely. I had at least 2 fewer and smaller
balancing weights on my Michelin MXV's than I did on my Pirelli P6's. Grip and
repsonse is OK for my use, but the wear is another story ! I'm not very 
pleased with their wear - I'll probably only get about 35,000 miles out of
them and I baby them (correct pressure, very little hard driving). The 
Pirelli's gave me 31,000 and I basically ignored them.

     Have the MXV2's replaced the MXV ? I'll probably need new treads sometime
early next year. Are the MXV2's any better ?

     --Chris Granitz  chrisg@verdi
Newsgroups: rec.autos