HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: MultiDos
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:29:33 GMT
Organization: City University, London

In article <BxIoAE.K74@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> afryer@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (A. Fryer) writes:
>In article <9371@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> stern+@pitt.edu (Eric G Stern)  
>writes:
>> 
>> I used to use MSH (version 1.30) to read/write MSDOS format disks.
>> When I switched to AmigaDos 2.05, MSH was unable to read or even
>> recognize my MSDOS disks.  Is there a newer version of MSH?
>> 
>> 			Eric Stern
>
>Get MultiDOS.  Much better (i.e. it actually works in all systems... not  
>arbitrarily on  some systems like MSH).  Also lets you access the IBM disk  
>as DF0: as well as the Amiga disk.  Works fine for me under 2.04 (should  
>be ok under 2.05 as well).

Well I tried MultiDos but it always left a DF0:Busy icon on the
workbench screen so I gave up on it. Maybe there is a later
version that fixes that?

>----afryer@zeus.uwaterloo.ca


--
Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
From: stern+@pitt.edu (Eric G Stern)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: MSH: and 2.05
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:34:12 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: stern@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu


I used to use MSH (version 1.30) to read/write MSDOS format disks.
When I switched to AmigaDos 2.05, MSH was unable to read or even
recognize my MSDOS disks.  Is there a newer version of MSH?

			Eric Stern
From: chrisg@cbmvax.commodore.com (Chris Green)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: More 4000 compatible software
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:17:23 GMT
Reply-To: chrisg@cbmvax.commodore.com (Chris Green)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <David_Corn.0ii2@fcircus.sat.tx.us> David_Corn@fcircus.sat.tx.us (David Corn) writes:
>
>In <Bx8yKI.BFE@fc.hp.com>, koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren) writes:
>> When you scroll the starfield, *wham!*.  You get a new display right
>> away, instead of having to wait like on a non-AGA machine.
>> 
>>  - steve
>
>
>D*mn braggart..grin!  How about some WritePixel and other AIBB4.x
>statistics?  Can you give us any numbers?
>
	Note that the AIBB WritePixel test is no longer a good benchmark
_for HARDWARE_. The 3.0 ROM in the A4000 and A1200 contain a new optimized
WritePixel routine which can run around 3 times faster. Running this
test on a 25mhz A3000 with a 3.0 kickstart shows it being 3 times faster
than a 25mhz A3000 in AIBB! There are also other graphics speedups on the
AGA machines which come from software, not hardware.

-- 
*-------------------------------------------*---------------------------*
|Chris Green - Graphics Software Engineer   - chrisg@commodore.COM      f
|                  Commodore-Amiga          - uunet!cbmvax!chrisg       n
|My opinions are my own, and do not         - icantforgettheimpression  o
|necessarily represent those of my employer.- youmadeyouleftaholeinthe  r
|"A screaming comes across the sky..."      - backofmyhead              d
*-------------------------------------------*---------------------------*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: in2a505@rzaixsrv1.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (Elvers)
Subject: TURBOPrint and A4000 :(
Keywords: TurboPrint
Organization: University of Hamburg, FRG
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:00:36 GMT

Has anyone managed to get TurboPrint to work on an A4000 ?
Starting the Program will give me only a Software Failure...
That's quite a problem, because I *NEED* the HP-Deskjet500C 
printer-driver !

Thanks for any hints !

     - Andreas



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: mucci@circle.cs.jhu.edu (Philip Mucci)
Subject: .lha/.lhz splitter wanted (never got it the first time)
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:33:12 GMT


	Could someone please post the FTP location of the unix source of
such a program? Previous responses to this question never panned out. I'd
prefer not to have to transfer to my Amy first and un-lha it. 

	Thanks much,

	-P.M.
From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: MSH: and 2.05
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:05:12 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <BxIoAE.K74@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>

>In article <9371@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> stern+@pitt.edu (Eric G Stern)
>writes:
>>
>> I used to use MSH (version 1.30) to read/write MSDOS format disks.
>> When I switched to AmigaDos 2.05, MSH was unable to read or even
>> recognize my MSDOS disks.  Is there a newer version of MSH?
>>
>>                       Eric Stern
>
>Get MultiDOS.  Much better (i.e. it actually works in all systems... not
>arbitrarily on  some systems like MSH).  Also lets you access the IBM disk
>as DF0: as well as the Amiga disk.  Works fine for me under 2.04 (should
>be ok under 2.05 as well).

Neither MSH or MultiDos (my former favorite) seem to support CBM's new HD
drives and doesn't support the new international format modes.  Since
CrossDos comes integrated with 2.1, you'll want to get 2.1 ASAICO (as soon
as it comes out).  It works excellent all around and lets me work with
MS-DOS 1.44 meg disks.

>----      ///   afryer@zeus.uwaterloo.ca  Captian, I protest. I  ----
>----     ///    Alun J. Fryer             am NOT a merry man!    ----
>---- \\\///                                                      ----
>----  \XX/      #include <std_disclamer.h>                       ----

-Joel
-------
   ========================================================================
  / Joel E. Swan....Pres./...Media Specialties, Ltd., Oak Forest, IL.USA  /
 / & Senior Producer..../...Moody Broadcasting Network, Chicago, IL. USA /
/ Portal ID: joeles..../...joeles@cup.portal.com                        /
========================================================================
From: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Jan B Larsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: PS previewer wanted
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:11:20 GMT
Reply-To: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I'm looking for a PD/shareware postscript previewer. I know there
is one on the fish disks called POST, but that only works with
kickstart 1.3 (?), and I only have 1.2.

Anyone?

Thanks in advance

Jan
From: Scott@ami.spacecoast.org (Scott Wills)
Subject: Re: AmigaGuide Readers?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:22:06 EST
Organization: Home Brew UUCP

Sean K. Ostermann (umoster0@ccu.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: 
: For those of use who can't afford SAS/C 6.0 at the moment (saving for the
: A4000) and don't have an Amiga 4000, does there exist any PD Readers for
: AmigaGuide Documents.  I guess we will have to live with the fact that an
: AmigaGuide reader won't be included with 2.1 and the minguide that I got
: with CSH 5.19 doesn't work.  Is there anything else out there in PD
: land or Shareware land?  Is there a newer version of MINGUIDE (I have 1.0)
: that actually works?

"Hyper" from the recent fish disks (>730, I think), works fairly well.
Sometimes it does not follow references properly, placing you one page
early or one page later than a selected reference.

: Thanks for any and all help,
: 
: Sean

Scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: arw@cs.nott.ac.uk (Andrew Roy Walker)
Subject: Reading and Writing ST disks!
Reply-To: arw@cs.nott.ac.uk ()
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 11:54:51 GMT

Could anyone please tell me if there is a PD/Shareware program available that
allows you to read / write ST disks. Thanks..
From: Scott@ami.spacecoast.org (Scott Wills)
Subject: Re: Shell zoom gadget on 2.04
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:58:05 EST
Organization: Home Brew UUCP

Michel Lauzon (Michel@mike.CAM.ORG) wrote:

: Can some one could show me how to select the size of the window whem
: i click on the zomm gadget?
: 
: For my new reader (tin) i open a shell that cover all the workbench
: less 1 on the top (699X225) but if i click on the zoom gadget the
: window grow to cover all the screen (700X225). Is their any way to
: make the window smaller (like 100X25) whitout having to use the size
: gadget?

I use tin too, nice reader, eh?

Open the shell with a smaller size initially like:
"NewCLI con:10/10/100/25/AmigaShell/CLOSE", then the zoom gadget
toggles between this size and full size.  Alternatively, get WizKey
from the fish disks (>740).  It allows you to define hot keys to do
all sorts of things like move, size, cycle through the open windows,
etc.  I'm very happy with it, I just wish the distribution included
the example config file which the docs claim it does.

:           ///
:      __  ///   Michel Lauzon
:      \\\///    michel@mike.CAM.ORG
:       \XX/     1:242/193.0

Scott
From: fgd3@nifty.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe, III)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re:  Booklet pagenumbering
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:54:34 EST
Organization: Fabbian G. Dufoe, III

In article <69294@cup.portal.com> joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan) writes:
>>
>>I am trying to layout a booklet that may consist of up to 100
>>pages.  We are wanting to print on legal size paper in landscape
>>mode with two pages per sheet... double sided of course.
>>
>>Programs such as pagestream don't seem to have a concept of two
>>pages per sheet not do they permit the fancy page numbering that
>
>Are you sure you're talking about Pagestream?  Two pages per sheet is
>trivial.  Layout two columns per sheet.  Each column is a page.  What's your
>problem?
>
>>we will need.  I have heard that some Mac programs can do it and
>>posibly workperfect but have not actually seen it in action.
>
>Explain "fancy page numbering." Like 1,2,3 or i, ii, iii?  Do you have a
>manual for PS?  Are your registered?  Do you really know what you are
>talking about?

   Having printed a few small booklets with Pagestream I think I understand
the original poster's problem.  He wants to print two "pages" of his booklet
on each side of a sheet of paper.  Then he wants to stack the sheets he
printed, fold them down the center to make a booklet, and have the pages
numbered in the right order.

   For a four page booklet it's trivial to do by hand.  You put page 4 on
the left side of side 1 and page 1 on the right side.  Then you turn the
paper over and print page 2 on the left and page 3 on the right.  For an
eight page booklet you would print as follows:

   Sheet    Side     Left     Right

      1        1     P 8      P 1
      1        2     P 2      P 7
      2        1     P 6      P 3
      2        2     P 4      P 5

   How can you make Pagestream automatically put two different page numbers
on the same sheet?  How can you get it to put the page numbers in the right
sequence?  Since you're so sure it's in the manual, perhaps you could point
me to a reference.  I'd sure like to read how Pagestream does that.

--Fabbian G. Dufoe, III
   350 Ling-A-Mor Terrace South   | GEnie:    F.DUFOE3
   St. Petersburg, Florida  33705 | internet: fgd3%nifty@tct.com
   813-823-2350                   | uucp:     ...tct!deep6!nifty!fgd3
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: 3D ROTATION (looks Good!takes time!)
From: eganm@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:27:44 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

Hello again!
Here is an interresting thing:
If yo have the HP back to school disk with SUITE3D on it, you can make three
dimentional drawings. (yeah so, what else is new)

If you have at least 40K of free memory, you can store about 36 graphic
pictures.
(yeah so.) 

Well, with this you can also modify 'movie" under the file folder 'suite3d' and
scan through your group of pictures.
(what does this mean?)

If you take 36 pictures at 10 degree intervals around the xy plane looking at
the origin from a fixed radius, and continue to do this until you have all the
pict s stored, then you can have the HP scroll through them very quickly;

The appearance is *VERY* impressive and gives the impression that the image is
being rotated on the screen! Show this to any IBM or MAC user and they will
thing you have a wonder machine that is faster than their PC's rivaling many
MAINFRAMES.

The disadvantage is that it takes about 45 minutes to an hour to set up.
 All you have to do is wait for it to draw each picture and the press 'c' for
it to draw the next. It stores each pict on the stack and continues until all
the pictures are drawn!
 
I have shown this to many people and they are trully impressed by the images.
I will try to post the programs and the changes I have made to them on here,
but I don't know if I can. I haven't done this before.

If anyone can give me suggestions on how to send these programs I could use it.
I allready know how to put them on the computer and on disk. I also have a VAX
and FTP here at SSU. ANY pointers?

I can also include one that I have allready done useing the graph Z=Y^2-X^2.

Later...
EGANM@SONOMA.EDU

here as SSU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh)
Subject: Re: sys_RPL??? and DEBUGer ???
Organization: HoloNet
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:37:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.091825.11984@waikato.ac.nz> fee@waikato.ac.nz writes:
 
> Does anybody know how to tell from within a programme (preferably sys_RPL
> but user_RPL will suffice for a start) what menu is currently being
> displayed?
User RPL to the rescue!  RCLMENU does the trick, returning the menu 
number and page.
 
> Second question: Are the built-in menu grobs held anywhere as one-line
> grobs and are they accessible? ie: is page 2 of the MTH menu for instance
> a 131 X 9 GROB held somewhere that can be recalled to the stack?
Nope, that would waste lots of memory.  The menu labels are built as 
needed from strings using entries such as MakeStdLabel (#3A328h), 
MakeDirLabel (#3A3ECh), and MakeBoxLabel (#3A38Ah).  There's a way to 
recall the 131x8 menu grob to the stack but I don't remember it.  But 
here's a routine to recall the name displayed on a menu label as a 
global name (or string if not a name):
GETLBL
:: CK1&Dispatch #1h           Input a real number on the stack, 1 to 6
   :: COERCE GETDF            Return the menu label object for that key
      CK1&Dispatch
      #8h                     Is it a secondary? (menu label such as SOLVR)
      :: CDRCOMP CARCOMP ;    Yes, get the second object (string)
      #0h NOP                 No, we're done
    ;
;
 
ASC version of GETLBL:
%%HP: T(1)A(R)F(.);
"D9D20ECE819FF30D9D20AEC8114A40ECE81F3040D9D203515098050B2130FEF3
0E8E60B2130B21303D99"
@ BYTES: #99D3h 40
 
Caution: numbers other than 1 to 6 may give unpredictable results.
 
-- Brian Walsh
   brianw@holonet.net           -Just say no to taglines-

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: chris@cosmo.demon.co.uk (Chris Payne)
Distribution: world
Subject: Wiring a Serial Cable
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.14 $
Organization: At Work
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:04:18 +0000

Hi all!

I've read the FAQs, I've watched the newsgroups, I've RTFM, but I can't
find the info required to make my own serial cable. (In the UK an HP cable
costs UKP41.00 + VAT(17.5%) - way too much (approx. $80)).

So, which pin on the HP48SX goes to which pin on a 25-way serial connector
for a PC?

Many Thanx in advance...

Cheers!

-----------------------------------------------------
Chris Payne                  Senior Systems Engineer,
(at work)                Cray Systems Space Division.
                                         Bristol, UK.
From: doolin@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (David Doolin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: sasm.opc, compile syseval
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:57:20 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Reply-To: doolin@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (David Doolin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra3f.cs.utk.edu

rplcomp (hp\tools\) will not compile # 05BE9h SYSEVAL.  Why not?
I am trying to learn sysrpl with very simple programs, i.e.
check object type (symb?), then --->STR.
 
What does the LLIST [prog].LR stand for in the .M file for assembling?

Also I am trying to assemble a very short sysrpl program but sasm.exe
will not open sasm.opc, therefore it will not assemble.

If this stuff is in a FAQ, someone please direct me to it.

Many thanks, --Dave Doolin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: mheiskan@snakemail.hut.fi (Mika Heiskanen)
Subject: Re: Built-in MENU grobs - accessible?
Reply-To: mheiskan@.vipunen.hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 06 Nov 92 17:00:31 GMT


In article <1992Nov6.091825.11984@waikato.ac.nz> fee@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>Surely these menu grobs are not generated each time they are displayed?
>Or is the memory overhead of storing the grobs too much to pay for speed?

Internal commands that change menu pages etc all set a flag telling the
display routine that the menu area display must be updated. Similar flags
exist for status and stack displays. Thus yes, they really are generated
again and again as they are displayed. That just isn't necessarily very
often.

--
--> mheiskan@vipunen.hut.fi
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 16:05:09 +0100
From: Wolfram_Sauerteig@hippo.fido.de (Wolfram Sauerteig)
Subject: Re: Mac HP48S connections
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
X-Comment-To: <3406037@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Organization: SauerSoft 

Hello <3406037, You wrote to All with subject "Mac HP48S connections" :

< >    I just recently received my promo Mac HP48 connection wire in the mail.
< > I was able to send and receive stuff right away until suddenly it stopped
< > working.  I am hoping that it is something in my HP or Mac setup that is
< > the problem.  I did disconect the HP from the computer when they were both
< > running though.  I have tried the self- test for the wire connection.  It
< > came out ok.  Does anybody have any suggestions thanks in advance.
< >
I think, Your 48 is ok, if the wire self test is ok.
Maybe You should test the connection in both directions.
Connect Your HP-48 to the mac, adjust setup on both sides the same, and enter 
Kermit connect mode by pressing c at the Kermit prompt.
Then execute OPENIO on the HP-48 (2nd IO menu), enter a string in quotes "", 
and press XMIT (3rd IO menu); now, on Your MACs screen the text should appear.
Type something on the MAC, and execute BUFLEN (3rd IO menu); on stack level 2 
You should see the number of characters You typed on the mac; if  You pick the 
number to stack level 1, and execute SRECV, the HP-48 normally shows the 
characters You typed on the mac.
If both tests fail, something with Your cable and/or the MACs serial interface 
is wrong.
If You get crunched characters on both sides, the setup ist not equal on both 
sides.

My own experience (Educalc cable) is, that sometimes the contact on the HP-48 
side isn't very good, the effect is the same as in Your case; it's important to 
press the cable firmly into the calc.

bye
    Wolfram

From: akcs.sfm@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (S.F.Mauser)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Lib numbers and horn5.fly
Message-ID: <2afed72f.2087.3comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

Actually, rereading your discussion and the response, I believe taht the
EduCalc disc must have a very old version of the program library.  There
has been a much more recent version posted to comp.sources.hp48 and to
the HP Corvallis BBS.  The program now uses IFERR, the hp call, and does
make critical decisions based on the outcome of the test.
From: akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Joseph K. Horn)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:40:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Cliff Stern's Little Challenges
Message-ID: <2b01fa32.2098.3comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48


Brian Walsh's and Detlef Mueller's solutions to Little Challenge #5 from
Cliff Stern [viz. create n local vars] do not meet the criteria.  They
assume that there are already n objects on the stack.  But only one thing
is on the stack: n.  The solution must not only create the local vars but
also create their contents.  -jkh-
From: akcs.mawu@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (hale kpetigo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: DEMO CARD
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:40:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvbbs.2aff3e50.2106.1comp.sys.hp48.1

Can you like give some reference to this Rom card...
It will be nice to get this and it is only 8 dollars.
It will be very nice of you to give out the reference for this rom card.
Thanx.

And about the language thing i don't know but there is a program on the
goodies disk 7 that has a program that send alll the msg in italian. if
you can contact that guy who wrote this program he will probably know
some stuff about this. And any one knows about this, do you know how to
cange it to Francais ??? Merci et Salut.
From: akcs.husty@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Ali Persian Momeni)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:40:03 GMT
Subject: Re: TWO-PLAYER GAME!?
Message-ID: <2b01d4a0.2115.2comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Keywords: game, two

There's also a two player (via IR) tic-tac-tow game on goodies disk 3 (I
think it's three).  I haven't tried it because i'm not a big ttt fan and
the file is huge (something like 24K).

Just letting you know,
ali.      momeni@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: aschoorl@engr.UVic.CA (Andre  Schoorl)
Subject: Re: Remote
Reply-To: aschoorl@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 00:02:03 GMT

In article 17527@kth.se, d89-bga@dront.nada.kth.se (Bjrn Gahm) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.181739.23026@sol.UVic.CA> aschoorl@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>>In article 8476@kcbbs.gen.nz, Steve_Grant@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Grant) writes:
>>>Ok, here is whatI do, d/l the files news, look, xtmit, press news, then 
>>>press look and give it a sample. Then to transmit it press Xmitr, thats 
>>>all there is too it.
>>>
>>>Good luck
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>
>>
>>Then how come it doesn't work?
>>
>>Andre Schoorl.
>>
>It can be that the remotecontrol that you are trying to sample uses a too
>high carrier frequecy for the hp to sample.
>That is the case for exapmple for Sony remotes.
>To make the hp learn such remotes then you have to use the hp as a 
>code reader and learn the hp how the code really looks like.
>
>I have done one version of a remote program that does that for 
>Sony, Technics, Panasonic, Pioneer, JVC, Philips.
>
>And I am right now trying to make the program more useful in that way that
>it should be able to figure out new remotes for it self. 
>(But that takes time so be patinent)
>
>Look at seq.uncwil.edu under hp48/comp.sources.hp48/volume05/remote_bg
>if you want to try it out.
>
>Or mail me.
>
>Bjrn
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>          Bjrn Gahm        Email: d89-bga@nada.kth.se
>                            Snail: Forskarbacken 10/315
>                                   104 05 STOCKHOLM


I'm using a HITACHI TV and VCR. It didn't work for either of them!

Andre Schoorl
aschoorl@engr.uvic.ca

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: nate@nate.oscs.montana.edu (Nate Williams)
Subject: Complex roots for 3rd and 4th order equations
Keywords: n
Organization: None
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 00:37:13 GMT

Forgive me if this is a simple question, but a friend of mine has a TI-68
which can solve 3rd and 4th order equations, and I can't get my 48SX to
give me more than one solution to the equation, and that root is always real.

Is there an easy way to do this, or even a difficult way to do this?

It's kind of embarassing to be outdone by a $35 calculator.

Thanks,

Nate
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