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From: decouty@irisa.fr (Bertrand DECOUTY, Atelier)
Subject: Re: Integration sign disappeared
Reply-To: decouty@irisa.fr
Organization: IRISA-INRIA, Campus de Beaulieu, 35042 Rennes Cedex, FRANCE
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 09:27:51 GMT

In article 15487@bmerh85.bnr.ca, myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
>Along this thread of font problems ...
>
>I've found that the ZapfDingbats font called up in the postscript file
>generated by my X11 unix-based Framemaker 3.01 is not recognized, or is
>misinterpreted, by the Apple Laserwriter II (model M6000), so that any
>character using that font simply doesn't print, and an empty space
>results.
>-- 
>Michael MY Hui  ~{~}  myhui@bnr.ca  Ottawa Canada

Don't flame frame for this if your printer is a LaserWriter IIf or IIg:
they do NOT include this font (lack of rom space). You have to download
manually the font before using it.

You better flame Apple for not releasing a rom upgrade (it should be
available now) and not telling CLEARLY the font is not inside...


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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,comments@frame.com
From: harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: No 4.0 for NeXT???
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:53:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.220725.21100@csus.edu> hodges@huckleberry.sfsu.edu writes:
>When I was at Seybold a couple months ago I made a point of asking this
>fellow at the Frame booth about Frame 4.0 and NeXT... His name was Mark
>Hamilton and he is a dweeb...

You know, calling one of their employees a "dweeb" is probably *not*
the best way to go about gaining Frame's sympathy...
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                   PictureTel Corp. (so there!)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Integration sign disappeared
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:30:46 GMT

Along this thread of font problems ...

I've found that the ZapfDingbats font called up in the postscript file
generated by my X11 unix-based Framemaker 3.01 is not recognized, or is
misinterpreted, by the Apple Laserwriter II (model M6000), so that any
character using that font simply doesn't print, and an empty space
results.
-- 
Michael MY Hui  ~{~}  myhui@bnr.ca  Ottawa Canada
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: tina@csi.on.ca (Tina Klein)
Subject: FrameMath
Summary: Using the outline format for fields Q and C 
Organization: Carp Systems International, Kanata, ON
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:29:43 GMT

I am typing up a PhD thesis in Number Theory as one of my current "hobbies".

I haven't found a good way to highlight letters that represent fields, short
of breaking these letters right out of their respective equations.

Any better ideas?

All tips appreciated - I've still got 80 more pages to go...
-- 
Tina Klein, Technical Writer           CAnet: tina@csi.on.ca
CSI, 600 Terry Fox Drive - Suite 200   Phone: (613) 592-5780
Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2L 4B6        Fax:   (613) 592-0584
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Q: multi-threading in Frame?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:13:29 GMT

I tried sending this via private mail but it bounced.  Sorry if it is not
generally of interest.

In article <1go0m9INNl70@travis.csd.harris.com> kbeal@amber (Ken Beal) writes:

>I've been using Frame for only a few hours, total, and have noticed a glaring
>deficiency: I am running on a multi-processor Unix box, and Frame has to
>pause while printing until the printing is done!

On my SPARCstations the hourglass stays up for less time than it takes to
actually print the doc - to a file or to the printer.  There may be
something you can set.  Out of the box mine was OK.  Yes, it does take a
minute or two for the hourglass to go away, but that the hourglass is only
there while things are being set up.

Most of the other stuff will be better when you played for a few more
hours.  For example:

>Another thing that upsets me is its handling of the user's dictionary.  It is
>quite limited, as compared to, say, Word Perfect's.  Some words it would not
>allow me to enter in (i.e. some things like "..." where it flags it not
>as a misspelling, but as a repeated character), and it would not let me put
>in some places where there are extra spaces.

For multiple spaces, check the "Document" pop up window under the Format
pull down menu.  For dictionary options, click on Options on the spelling
Checker.  There's lots of stuff to set under in the options and I suspect
some combination will solve your problem.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: engp1261@nuscc.nus.sg (Teng-Kiat Lee)
Subject: Re: Integration sign disappeared
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:31:00 GMT

Hello again. Thanks for all the help and suggestions given. I have identified the
problem and rectified it. Two weeks ago I read in the MS Windows group that ATM
fonts take up less space than Truetype fonts and they can actually exist without
the TT fonts. That prompted me to take out the Symbol font (TT) from Windows3.1,
little knowing that the Symbol font downloaded from ftp.cica.indiana.edu was not
the same as the TT Symbol provided by MS. 

So the solution was to re-install my windows. Anyone has any idea how I can just
install the fonts and not the entire windows3.1?

Regards,
----------------
Teng-Kiat Lee                        VLSI CAD & Design Lab
Internet: engp1261@nuscc.nus.sg      Microelectronics Div.
Bitnet:   eleleetk@nusvm.bitnet      Dept. of Electrical Engineering
                                     National University of Singapore
Voice:    (065)-772-6319             10 Kent Ridge Crescent
          (065)-467-1518             Singapore 0511
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From: thamilto@fnugget.intel.com (Tony Hamilton)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: 3.0 vs 3.1
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:35:43 GMT
Organization: INTEL.FOLSOM


We are using FrameMaker v3.0 on various Unix platforms. I am curious, what
is the difference between 3.0 and 3.1? Is it worth upgrading?

Tony Hamilton
thamilto@pcocd2.intel.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: eystein@smyril.fi.uib.no (Eystein Dugstad)
Subject: Problem updating chapter numbers in multifile book
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:00:57 GMT

FrameMaker won't let me update the chapter numbers in my miltifile book  
anymore. When I click "File - Generate/Update" and afterwards open for  
example the fourth file in the book, the first chapter in that book is  
called chapter 1 even though there are 3 or more chapters before it.

What can be the problem?

Please reply by email or post something if you think it's of onterest to  
others.

Eystin Dugstad
University of Bergen, Norway
From: manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Frame 4.0 (Was Re: No 4.0 for NeXT???)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 08:45:48 -0800
Organization: Institute for Pure and Applied Eschatology
NNTP-Posting-Host: columbia.cs.ubc.ca

My biggest complaint with FrameMaker is its lack of a general-purpose
programming language. I recently switched to FrameMaker after 10 years
of using TeX; there were good reasons for doing so, but in the process,
I've lost a large number of capabilities that TeX's language gave me
(for example, being able to do literally *anything* at the beginning of
each paragraph: I have a number of TeX formats which simply can't be
implemented using FrameMaker's autonumbering). I'm not about to defend
TeX's programming language (it's quite ghastly), but I got damn good at
contorting it to do what I wanted. Many of those things can only be done
manually in FrameMaker, which is not reasonable if you're writing a
book!

I might note that even Word for Windows and Ami Pro support
general-purpose programming languages (well, if you think Basic is a
language...). There's an issue of competition here, which Frame might
want to consider carefully if it's serious about the Windows platform. 

While I'm on the subject of TeX, a number of other TeX features would go
well in FrameMaker, notably real math (again, Ami Pro beats FrameMath
any day), glue, and leaders. 

I really hope that FrameMaker 4.0 addresses these issues. I sent a
message to Frame, and *think* that they've made an enhancement request
regarding the programming language. 

-- 
\    Vincent Manis <manis@cs.ubc.ca>      "There is no law that vulgarity and
 \   Computer Science, Langara College     literary excellence cannot coexist."
 /\  100 W. 49th Ave, Vancouver, BC, Canada (604) 324-5205  -- A. Trevor Hodge
/  \ Co-author of ``The Schematics of Computation'', Prentice-Hall, Jan 1994
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: halberst@world.std.com (jerry halberstadt)
Subject: Re: Chapter Headings
Keywords: Chapters
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:05:11 GMT

steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB) writes:

Steve's solution looks good and similar to a workaround I had to implement.
However, I wasn't able to have the autonumbering picked up in the
generation of a TOC, and instead had to generate autonumbers in the TOC
paragraphs. Thus, 

Chapter 3, {Paraformat chapter + autonumber}

	Widget Magic, {Paraformat title}

would appear in the TOC as Chapter.

I solved it with {Paraformat title.toc} using autonumbering to create:

3 Widget Magic.

But why, o why, can't I directly get in the TOC:

Chapter 3 Widget Magic.......Page 30





>wolff@inf.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolff) writes:

>> kr1@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Kevin Richards [METOFF]) writes:
>> 
>> >Hi,
>> >	I want to know how to create a heading with auto numbering but put the text
>> >	Chapter 1
>> >	     Some title.
>> 
>> >The text should still belong to the chapter heading. Any quick and easy solu
>> 
>> Use a "Forced return" (Meta-Return) after the first line.

>You should be aware that if you put a meta-return in your paratag, it will
>appear that way in your TOC.

>If this is on your first page, create a master page using text frames:

>|----------|
>|          | Chapter x goes in here
>|----------|
>|-----------------------|
>|                       | Title goes in here
>|-----------------------|
>|-----------------------| Body text frame
>|                       |

>All frames are connected, of course.  Use a different paratag for
>Chapter and Title, then when you generate your TOC, use just the
>Title paratage.

>That's what I am doing with a series of manuals I have in progress.

>s

>-- 
>play:steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US 408.252.0578     work:harding@nas.nasa.gov
>              A prince trapped in the body of a dirty old man.
-- 
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POB 9183: c/o Mailboxes Etc.(#110)
955 Mass. Ave., Cambridge MA 02139 USA
617-661-3851		halberst@world.std.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: dboldt@dsdbqvarsa (David Boldt (x5679))
Subject: Re: Rebinding Commands ?
Keywords: key binding
Organization: United States Geological Survey
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:05:00 GMT

To bind control or escape sequences to specific actions, check
the README file in the directory  $FMHOME/.fminit2.0/kbmaps/

-- 
                           -- david boldt   dboldt@qvarsa.er.usgs.gov
                                            US Geological Survey
                                            Reston, VA    (703 648-5679)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: cjc@hoffa.ipx (Chris Clark)
Subject: Re: Crashing Framemaker
Reply-To: cjc@kranac.com
Organization: Kranac Computing Corp.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:54:42 GMT

> In article 27316@ugle.unit.no, eidem@itk.unit.no (Kjell Eidem) writes:
> I have a problem with crashing Framemaker from time to time.
> I am useing Framemaker 3.1X with X11R4 on a diskess Sun-3.50.
> with 8 MB RAM.
> Framemaker is running on a remote Sparc 2 under X11 and displayed
> on my console.
> From time to time, with no obvious reason, Framemaker crashes with
> core dump. No backup-file is created.
> After restarting Framemaker everything works fine until next crash.
>
> Have anyone seen behavior like this?

Yes. Make sure LD_LIBRARY_PATH is set to /usr/openwin/lib before kicking off
FrameMaker on your Sparc 2 (I'm assuming you're running the Motif version).

I've got R4 and R5 libs on my system. If FrameMaker dynamically links to either, 
it dumps core on my machine.

Chris


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Regards

Kjell Eidem

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: wolff@inf.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolff)
Subject: Re: Special characters
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:35:42 GMT

ask@sei.cmu.edu (Alan Koch) writes:


>In article <1992Dec10.084648.17250@fokus.gmd.de>, mwa@fokus.gmd.de (M.Walch) writes:
>|> Does anyone know how to create characters not listed in the keyboard
>|> maps delivered with the frame docs by overtyping a character without
>|> deleting it.

>You can do this by applying a negative spread to the first character.
>Unfortunately, the amount of spread must be tailored to each character-pair
>and each font.

Overprinting characters and related elementary text layout features are 
a major deficiency of FrameMaker. Simple overprinting was a feature in 
FrameMaker 1.3 but for inexplicable unwiseness of the design team it was 
removed from version 2 instead of extending it to what is urgently needed 
in many scientific texts: attaching characters with marks such as accent 
marks and even multiple of them. For example, putting one or two tilde (~) 
marks on top of any letter (not restricted to the letter N which happens 
to exist with one tilde), etc. None of the tricks which have been 
discussed in this group is an excuse for the lack of this important basic 
feature since they all are very cumbersome to apply. The spread-trick 
mentioned above, e.g., does not center the character parts - you'll have 
to apply manual justification (select and use Alt-arrow keys) in addition 
for horizontal centering as well as vertical adjustment. Horrible!
I've been complaining at comments@frame.com more than once but they 
apparently prefer to enrich FrameMaker with big features that are more 
likely to look impressive from a public-relations point of view than these 
basic things.
From: div@NAD.3Com.COM (Dinesh Venkatachalam x5498)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: FrameReader for MS Windows. What can it do ?
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:10:56 GMT
Reply-To: div@NAD.3Com.COM
Organization: 3Com Corp

I have a copy of Frame Reader for MS Windows. If I have Frame Maker already
installed and working, is there any use of installing Frame Reader. This
package came without any manuals etc, so if some one can let me know what its
capabilities are, I can ponder if I should install the same

---Dinesh

===============================================================================
Dinesh Venkatachalam					div@nad.3com.com
3COM Corporation
(408)-764-5498
===============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: wolff@inf.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolff)
Subject: Re: Chapter Headings
Keywords: Chapters
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:58:28 GMT

kr1@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Kevin Richards [METOFF]) writes:

>Hi,
>	I want to know how to create a heading with auto numbering but put the text on the following line. i.e.
>	Chapter 1
>	     Some title.

>The text should still belong to the chapter heading. Any quick and easy solutions.

Use a "Forced return" (Meta-Return) after the first line.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: wcl@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Wayne Long)
Subject: Easy way to create unix man pages?
Keywords: unix manual hypertext
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:26:03 GMT


I'm looking for a filter, utility, or editor that
will take normal, what-you-see-is-what-you get
text, and convert it into a unix man page with
minimal hassle.

I realize that some of the major sections and headings
would have to be delimeted in some way, but I'd like to
be able to do this editing with a normal text editor
(or framemaker or MacIntosh Word) in as minimally
cryptic way as possible.


Wayne

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: kremer@cs.utwente.nl (Harro Kremer)
Subject: Re: autonumbering question
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:16:50 GMT

Basicly, I solved this problem as follows:

The numbering scheme contains 4 counters:
	chapter counter
	figure counter
	section counters
So the actual paraformats are
chapter		h: <N+>
figure		h: <N>-<n+>< >< >
section		h: <N>< ><n+>
subsection	h: <N>< ><n><n+>

Note that the spaces between the brackets are important as < > indicates
a non-printing counter.

Each chapter resets the figure and section counters and increments the chapter
counter

Hope this helps
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: quarrie@cds001.cebaf.gov (David Quarrie)
Subject: Re: No 4.0 for NeXT???
Reply-To: quarrie@cds001.cebaf.gov (David Quarrie)
Organization: CEBAF (Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:07:49 GMT

--
In article <1992Dec12.210400.4199@u.washington.edu>, storti@beach (Duane
Storti) writes:
|>Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
|>Path:
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murdoch!uvaarpa!darwin.sura.net!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!ames!sa
aimiri.primate.wisc.edu!usenet.coe.montana.edu!news.u.washington.edu!new
ws
|>From: storti@beach (Duane Storti)
|>Subject: No 4.0 for NeXT???
|>Message-ID: <1992Dec12.210400.4199@u.washington.edu>
|>Sender: news@u.washington.edu (USENET News System)
|>Organization: University of Washington
|>Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:04:00 GMT
|>Lines: 13
|>
|>Rumors have been floating on the net (in comp.sys.next.misc for
|>example) that  
|>FrameMaker 4.0 is in the works, but that no NeXT compatible version of
|>4.0 is  
|>planned. Say it ain't so Joe! We use FrameMaker because our research
|>group can  
|>work on ALL of our platforms (including HP's, PC's and NeXT's) and
|>exchange  
|>documents flawlessly using the interchange format. 
|>
|>If anyone from Frame is listening, PLEASE continue to support the NeXT
|>|>platform.
|>
|>_______________________________________________________________
|>Duane Storti			University of Washington
|>storti@u.washington.edu		Mechanical Engineering, FU-10
|>				Seattle, WA 98195
|>

Just to add my own plea to this. Our group at CEBAF chose Frame over competing
products because of its wide availability on multiple platforms and good
document interchange capabilities. Whilst we don't ourselves use NeXTs, other
sites do, as do I when working at home. The NeXT version is an important 
adjunct to our work and lack of a 4.0 version of FrameMaker will have serious
implications to us. I won't go as far as to call it a disaster, but it would
be very, very unfortunate.

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							12000 Jefferson Ave
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DECnet  : cebaf::quarrie				Tel: (804) 249-7562
BITNET  : quarrie@cebaf					Fax: (804) 249-5800
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: viranga@kbs.citri.edu.au (Viranga (Summer Student))
Subject: suppressing dialog boxes??
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:15:03 GMT

Hi,

	I want to write an applications program (in C) that
manipulates FrameMaker.

 	When I use something like

		doAnFmCommand(lastOpenedDocHandle, KBD_QUITWIN);

a dialog box is generated asking the user whether to save the document.  The
program has already done any appropriate saving.  Can I, and if so how do I,
suppress the dialog box?

	(the above function can be found in docclient.c in the 
		install_dir/source/openmaker/docclient
	directory)

Is it possible for my program to provide the information (asked for in a
dialog box), while suppressing the dialog box?

Viranga Ratnaike
viranga@phobos.kbs.citri.edu.au
From: steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Chapter Headings
Keywords: Chapters
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 07:48:18 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: The GRAFex Company

wolff@inf.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolff) writes:

> kr1@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Kevin Richards [METOFF]) writes:
> 
> >Hi,
> >	I want to know how to create a heading with auto numbering but put the text
> >	Chapter 1
> >	     Some title.
> 
> >The text should still belong to the chapter heading. Any quick and easy solu
> 
> Use a "Forced return" (Meta-Return) after the first line.

You should be aware that if you put a meta-return in your paratag, it will
appear that way in your TOC.

If this is on your first page, create a master page using text frames:

|----------|
|          | Chapter x goes in here
|----------|
|-----------------------|
|                       | Title goes in here
|-----------------------|
|-----------------------| Body text frame
|                       |

All frames are connected, of course.  Use a different paratag for
Chapter and Title, then when you generate your TOC, use just the
Title paratage.

That's what I am doing with a series of manuals I have in progress.

s

-- 
play:steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US 408.252.0578     work:harding@nas.nasa.gov
              A prince trapped in the body of a dirty old man.