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From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Attention electric vest owners!
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:51:10 GMT
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Tom Gent (tgent@dale.ksc.nasa.gov) wrote:
: 
: Has anyone yet suggested a relay picked up by the neutral light wire?
: Oh, and it would be the normally closed contacts, by the way.
: 
: You *do* put it in neutral at traffic lights, right?

OK, this is not a bad thought, but the problem is that you *shouldn't*
always be idling in neutral at traffic lights.  The idea does lead to
another one that might work very well.  Most electric start motos have a
switch in the clutch lever assembly that lets the starter work when the
clutch lever is pulled in or when the neutral light is on.  That might be
the ticket.  Fix up a relay that would cut power to the vest whenever the
bike is in neutral or the clutch lever is pulled.  

--

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* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
* DoD #496  Bikes past and present: CB175, CB550F, Norton 750, CB350F, XV535  *
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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Cell phones
Keywords: cellular phones  
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:21:33 GMT

In article <tjl3hlc@twilight.wpd.sgi.com> ian@lassen.wpd.sgi.com (Ian Clements) writes:
} As a motorcycle rider, I strongly object to the use of cellular phones
}while driving and feel that the CSAA should be recommending that drivers who
}want to use the phones pull over before doing so.  It is my opinion that most
}people cannot react quickly enough if they are engaged in another activity
}(be it talking on the phone, reading, putting on make-up) while driving.

Well, I commute on a bike, but I do own a van with a cell phone. The
phone is hands-free, and I have 90% of the numbers that I call on speed
dial. It takes me less concentration away from the road to make most
cell phone calls than it does for me to change the radio station. And,
because it is hands-free, I can talk and drive at the same time. It is
very much like talking to the passenger in the seat next to you, except
even less likely to remove your concentration from the road because when
there is someone physically next to you you have this urge to always
be looking over at them. That doesn't happen when I'm making a cell call,
because there's nobody physically there to look at -- I look at the road.

Non-hands-free cell phones are a danger, as are supposedly hands-free
phones whose hands-free quality is so low that they are de facto not
useful in hands-free mode. While I have had bad run-ins with people
using cell phones, by far my worst moments are, in decreasing order
of imminent danger:

1) Person who missed their exit ramp and is now hauling ass across
   multiple lanes of traffic to try and hit it anyway

2) Person in a HUGE hurry who is switching lanes rapidly and dangerously
   without signalling

3) Person dealing with small child(ren) and/or pet(s) while driving

4) Jerry (our pet name for geriatrics -- people who are quite slow,
   and quite oblivious to most of what is happening around them).
   If Jerry cuts you off and you make an obscene gesture as you
   swerve or skid around him, he will have absolutely no clue as to
   why you might be upset. Life just moves too fast for Jerry.
   Jerry is usually ancient, but not necessarily so.

5) Two (or more) people arguing in the car

6) Drunks, blatant assholes (run you off the road, etc.). I only put
   these so far down the list because I encounter them so infrequently.
   They may be 10 times more dangerous than Jerry, but I encounter
   Jerry 1000 times more often.

I won't even talk about the people trying to claim mall parking spots
with the single-minded bloodthirsty oblivious zeal that only comes
once a year. DeathRace 2000 was kinder and gentler.

-- 
Curtis Jackson  DoD #721   '62 Yankee Brunette "Dorothy"    '81 Maxim 650
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com   '91 Black Lab "Studley"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Fun
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:19:20 GMT


	Rode in about 50 degree weather, heavy fog, medium-heavy rain for about
	fifty miles today to do errands. Most of it was on boring two lane 
	(each way) parkway. Found that, despite all this, I was in the best
	mood I'd been in all week.

	Let's hear it for not storing bikes for the winter!!

	ObRain> Anyone ever do any practicing with *wet* brakes? I would like
	to, but it's usually raining at the good times to practice :-) 
	Seriously, though... I could still stop fine, I think I could have
	locked the front up still, but it took much more pressure lever,
	and had to go much deeper into the throw of the lever... wouldd be 
	worth practicing, methinks...

	ObWater> Never ride in the rain in chaps then take them off and go into
	public wearing your jeans... you look like you have a serious bladder
	control problem!!

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"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- Perception Corsica  |  NYC, NY.  |
From: tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi (FSE) <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Tom rides an odd bike!
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:18:01 GMT
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.173524.7309@pica.army.mil> tcora@pica.army.mil writes:
>>Actually, a well-designed header will "suck"! The design of the pipe is such
>>that the exhaust flow from one cylinder creates a vacuum timed such that it
>>helps to suck the combustion products out of another when that cylinder's
>>exhaust valve opens.
>>
>>Needless to say, this doesn't work very will on straight-piped harleys.
>
>Except within the RPM range where it does work:

Um, yeah (wiping egg off face).

>>And it
>>really only works well within a particular rpm band (generally; long, small
>>diameter pipes give low rpm grunt, short, large diameter pipes give high rpm
>>power).
>
>The style comes from drag racing bikes, which tend to have
>straight pipes that are somewhat shorter than street pipes
>and thus work at faster engine speeds.

Right. Nominally, the length of the pipe is inversely proportional to the
engine speed you want to make power at. The diameter of the pipe is
proportional to the engine speed you...at. There are formulas to figure
all this out (which require some assumptions about volumetric efficiency,
etc), which I used to have somewhere. Another generalization is that pipe
diameter goes up w/ displacement. I'll have to go look.

I do seem to recall that a header works better than individual pipes,
since then the cylinders scavenge each other. Of course, this requires an
even firing cycle.
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
                            Loud Pipes Suck
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From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Sport vs. Need
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:58:40 GMT

In article <BzCyvD.Cxo@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>
>  Whenever I think of motorcycles as transportation I think of Hong Kong
>or T[h]ailand or something. I can't say that those images reflect what I
>see around me. I think of it as a lifelong hobby that you can justify as
>transportation to those that don't know you very well.

At one point there were at least 5 members of my engineering group
riding to and from work in Boston every day.  I rode partly because it
was cheap (high mileage, free parking), partly because it was fast and
convenient (door to door, no waiting for the train, less waiting in
traffic jams than a bus or car), and only incidentally because it was
fun.  It would have been a lot *more* fun to head the other way, and
take some country highways in New Hampshire, but I put almost all my
miles on in getting to someplace I had to be when there really was no
better transportation available to me.  Consequently I rode in a lot
of weather conditions that frankly might have been more pleasant to
drive through on 4 wheels and enclosed.

And here I was all these years feeling like a poser because I put so
few miles on the bike for "sport"--now I find out it's because I'm
really Siamese!  (Or from Hong Kong--I'll have to find out about
this.)

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   BMWMOA #36829   DoD #0969   NRA #CDF6091M
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Accidents close to home (was also Re: HELMETS)
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:41:50 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos

In article <LOTTO.92Dec14105714@laura.harvard.edu> lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
>>>>>> On 13 Dec 92 15:52:51 GMT, labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) said:
>Ryan> 	The reason most accidents occur 5 miles away from home is that
>Ryan> 	most people are within 5 mile of home most of the time...
>
>Regardless of the accuracy of that statement, accidents close to home
>are overrepresented in vehicle miles traveled.  The reason most often
>cited for this is "familarity breeds contempt", or at least
>complacency.  Studies of all accidents have shown that mental skills

I cite you a reason.  I go to the store about once a week.  I go to work
about once a day.  I go to the mall about once a month.  I usually
leave from home, do one or more errands, and return home.  As I result,
I spend far more time leaving home and coming back than I do going
to any one place.  In other words, I spend far more time in the vicinity
of my home than I do in the vicinity (no spelling flames) of any one
other place.  When you say over-represented, do you account for this.
The real statistic of interest may be accidents per mile traveled in
a given area, or something of that nature.  


-1919    Why you treat me so bad?  I don't know why baby.
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Need help with wierd mirror question
Date: 12 Dec 1992 00:28:20 GMT
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <Bz3xC5.2Bx@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca
(Jorg Klinger) writes:

>  Nothing holds as tight as a good cross thread. Since I don't beleive
>they make left hand thread taps or heli-coils I'm afraid your stuck. 

Jorg, if "they don't make left hand thread taps", how do you
suppose Lisa's handlebar bracket got its threads in the first
place?
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
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From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Federal extortion nets helmet law!
Keywords: federal, extortion, helmets
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:48:11 GMT

In article <viking.724230794@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>	How's this for you.  Iowa, that bastion (or something spelled
>similar to that) of liberty, has no helmet law.  The Federal Government,
>not to take such things lightly, has decided that Iowa must pass a
>helmet law or lose several million in highway funds.  Didn't this net
>us a 55mph speed limit, a 21 drinking age, and all sorts of other
>bullshit not too long ago?

>through, everybody else pays.  Federal vehicles pay an even million dollars
>per axel.  That ought to put this stuff to rest and quickly.

And IA drivers' licenses don't have to pay the 25% gas tax.  I'd like that.
The Federal safetycrats have had their run on the cashboxes of the states for 
too long.  Mostly, they have been doing it because our wonderful 
representatives and senators have let them.

Already, the power of states' governments has been increasing, and governors 
have more power in their respective states than the president does in the
country.  I would be wary of a radical shift to states' rights (remember that
little conflict we had 130 years ago?) but a reduction in federal regulation
and attendant bullshit might not be out of order.

CP Tomes
no silly sig line.  it's finals week and I haven't had my last test yet

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Electric Vests and RF . . .
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:33:09 GMT

In article <ellert.724387623@ds2.uh.cwru.edu> ellert@ds2.uh.cwru.edu (Ed Ellert) writes:
>egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>>In article 0@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no, espen@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no (Epsonasjen) writes:
>>These days, unplanned pregnancy is the least unpleasant thing that can
>>result from an unprotected romp in the sack.
>>PRACTICE SAFE SEX!  
>The key word is PRACTICE.  Practice makes perfect. :^)
practice practice practice practice practice practice jeezthisisfun practice
practice

CP Tomes
Latex? I don need no steenkin latex!!


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From: Neil@swamp.demon.co.uk (njb)
ReplyTo: Neil@swamp.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: non-leather riding gloves 
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.19 $
Organization: "Industrial EcoDeath Corp"
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:57:23 +0000

> Non-leather gloves & vegan bikers newsletter.

GOTCHA!

The Vegan Bikers Association
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Datchworth
Knebworth
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Enjoy
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From: orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Ken Orr)
Subject: Re: Nude Motorcycle Riding explained!
Keywords: nude, motorcycle, explain
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:52:17 GMT

In article <viking.724201132@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>	I had a few pics sent to me several months ago.  One of
>these happened to be a nude woman on a motorcycle, looking like she
>was just motoring along with a care in the world.  She was wearing
>a helmet, but nothing else that I could see.
>
>	So while I'm viewing this great piece of Americana on my
>workstation over lunch, in comes the boss...
>
>	"Yeah, they had a nude protest ride in California a few weeks
>ago to protest the new helmet law.  I was in the newspapers -- you
>didn't hear about it?"
>
>	He bought it.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yah?, And how much did you make him pay for it Dan ??
 And what is he planning on doing with it ??? Maybe now he'll want to start
 riding ??


     "86 Ninja 600R"                               K.O.
  "DOD #306 AMA #615088"                       T.I. Dallas Tx.
    "Eclipse GS Turbo"                      Orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com
From: ellert@ds2.uh.cwru.edu (Ed Ellert)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Electric Vests and RF . . .
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:47:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>In article 0@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no, espen@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no (Epsonasjen) writes:
>>>
>>Hey, this is great!
>>Prolonged exposure to radio-magnetic fields is known to be temporary 
>>sterilizing.......
>>SO:  Go ride your bike, jump in the sack, be not afraid !!!!
>>     No more latex articles and so on -  economic too!

>Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!

>Latex articles and so on are *vital* in the sack!

>These days, unplanned pregnancy is the least unpleasant thing that can
>result from an unprotected romp in the sack.

>PRACTICE SAFE SEX!  

The key word is PRACTICE.  Practice makes perfect. :^)
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Locking rear (was Re: First ride in rain...)
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:28:28 GMT
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe

azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
> Anyone else hit the rear machine-gun fashion as a form of ersatz ABS? 
> Useful on slimy corners. Braking effect, but no weave from the tail.
> Can never cooordinate doing the front simultaneously tho!

In bad weather/slick road conditions, I simply don't use the rear brake at
all, or at most just a light touch.  The rear can get away just too fast if
it locks on a slick surface, and then you're really SOL.  Heck, the general
rule-o-thumb is that the rear brake only provides ~20% of the total braking
power under "ideal circumstances."  I'm usually taking it easy in the rain
anyway, and I try to allow myself >>20% braking margin no matter what the
road conditions, more like 100%-150%.  For me, the only major use for the
rear brake is for emergency purposes, when my margin drops to <~75%.

Okay, so I'm a conservative rider.  But I don't fall down so much...  8^)

Mr. Bill
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From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:53:56 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: MSUS

In article <BD.92Dec14073159@fluent.UUCP>, bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice
Dowaliby) wrote:
> 
> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
> >David, are you going to suggest next that there be a physical ideal
> >to which we should all strive and then propose legislation to
> >enforce it?
> 
> Great idea, John.  Then maybe I could lose those twenty pounds
> I want to get rid of.  But I'd be in serious trouble if they
> decided the ideal height was 6'2" or anything else over 5'8".

OK, I propose that the ideal physical attributes as: 
	height 5'11", 190lbs, and _balding_.  I win.
From: jwas_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jason Wasson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: A good motorcycle repair book (Q)
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:24:47 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Can anyone suggest a book or two that deals with all aspects of motorcycle
repair for the beginner. I've checked the local bookstore but they only had
one book and it didn't seem very good. 

						Thanks,
						Jason
					jwas_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

-- 
Wouldn't it be fun to go across North America on a steel horse?
and to sleep under the stars each night--
to ride into the Sun each morning,
all on a whim, a desire met with the passion of life.
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Locking the rear wheel. (Was: First ride in rain ...)
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:02:26 GMT
Distribution: usa

cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:

>In article <1992Dec14.114059.12739@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:

>>My question - how many folk have actually come to grief by locking the back,
>>and how many just spout the party line? The theory seems good, but the 
>>practice doesnt seem to bear it out.

OK, *FINE* If you must hear, I was on Alpine rd. going far too fast,
chasing the first 900 Ninja in the bay area. As we entered a hard
right hander, I saw the rear of the Ninja twtching around a lot. This
registered as hard braking, and I followed in suit. Still on the
brakes, I pushed the Nighthawk S into the turn. I was doing OK, a
little wider in the lane than I wanted to be, when a Datsun wagon came
around the corner in the other direction with his wheels on the center
line. I hit the panic button, (actually the rear brake) which
immediatly locked and came around to race with the front. I made it by
the cage, relaxed and released the rear brake. Can you say highside? I
knew you could! I was slam dunked onto the pavement face first. (Thank
you Shoei, for saving my face!) 
Now, you can listen and learn from the experience of others, or you
can disbelieve and try it yourself. I don't want to be in the area
when you experiment. It won't always happen on all bikes, but the
percentage is high enough to warrant a degree of caution.



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From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Subject: Re: Durability
Keywords: why
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:41:54 GMT

> johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns) writes:
>Why are bikes and cars so incredibly fragile?                                 
>                                                                               
>I mean, we would like to think that if we could get our bike or car, any       
>bike or any car, to say, 100,000 miles, without major problems we are          
>having a near mystical experience in reliability.  Bullshit.  At an            
>average of 50 mph, 100,000 miles is only 2000 hours of operation.              
>That's nothing compared to the reliability of many mechanical systems.         
>                                                                               
>So what is it with bikes and cars that makes them so fragile.                  
>                                                                               
>What's even scarier is how many bikes/cars can not even get to 50,000          
>miles reliably.                                                                
>                                                                               
>Just a thought.                                                                

I think that there are two ideas behind this.

1. The automobile has to be one of the most flexible devices in existence.
It has to start and run in zero degree weather, not overheat in 100 degree
weather, suffer through repeated stops, starts, and turns, provide good
climate control, and all the while maintain very high emmissions standards.
If automakers knew exactly what conditions the car was going to go through,
as is the case with many mechanical devices, than they could design them to
last a lifetime. For instance, if the car would only be driven at 72
degrees at 55mph in top gear on smooth roads, the automakers could design
it to last forever. But obviously this is not the case. 

2. If cars lasted forever, thousands of people would lose their jobs. A
great example of this is the windshield wiper. With present day technology,
a rubber windshield wiper could be made that would last for the life of the
car. But, in doing so, Anco and others would be shafting themselves and
destroying their own market. So, wipers only last from 6 months to a year. If
tires can last for 60,000 miles, why can`t a wihdshield wiper?? Because if
it did, the industry would die. This example extends to all facets of
automobile production.

Anyway, my double-oh-two (0.02) on the subject...

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