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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Keywords: Endless, animals, relations
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: na 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:51:07 GMT

lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>In article <rdippold.718313509@qualcom> rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>>Appropriate - the Dogs of War.

>Hadn't thought of that. Despite my lack of Sunday school training, I believe
>Barnabas was a companion to Paul during some of his journeys. Any relevancy
>to dogs? Theology students want to help me out here?

Barnabas gave up property for the Apostles, convinced them to take
Paul, and journeyed with Paul on some of his missionary work.  They
later went their separate way.

To be complete, Clement of Alexandria attributed an anti-Jewish tract
to him that was actually written much later.  Clement's record was
pretty poor at this sort of thing...
-- 
Be content with what you've got, but be sure you've got plenty.
From: sherman@deimos.math.ucla.edu (William Sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:58:13 GMT
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys

In article <1992Oct4.015708.5992@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:
>I was discussing this with someone over e-mail.  What if:
>
>- Destruction is not Destruction any more.  "You can stop being anything."
>
>- Some other "aspect" (is that what Dream called them?) of Destruction took
>  his place.
>
>- Whoever is Destruction now doesn't want the original item to be found.
>  Note that the assasination attempts have always been very Destructive
>  (falling walls, gas explosions).

Hmm... "Demolition"?  

 Robert Sandiford's essay "Myth Maker" in the Comics Journal #152 says 
that the 7th Endless is "Dissipation."  Maybe he's on to something.  Or 
not.  From what we've seen of his modern activities, his name is 
now probably "Dabbling-in-painting" or "Dog's-best-friend" or 
"Do-not-disturb."

--
  Bill Sherman      S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n     sherman@math.ucla.edu
 You've got to show the chicks you're _happening_, not some geek who reads
    a comic about an aardvark.    -Scott Russo, "Jizz" #7 letter column
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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.superman
Subject: Re: Logic in Advs. of Superman!!!
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:54:41 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct5.182732.11381@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
>So:
>
>I burn through the latest issue of Adventures of Superman, in which the imp
>from the 5th torments our big lovable oaf once again.  Besides the Watchmen
>"tribute," and the assorted other fairly humerous stuff, there was a teaser
>of a riddle in there.  For those of you who won't read the story, I'll
>summarize: Mxyzptlk splits himself into three, and straps Luthor into an
>electric chair.  Each Mx sits in front of a lever, and they confront Supes
>thus: Two of the levers are electrified, one is not; two of the imps are 
>lying, one is not.  Supes gets one question, and what he asks is, "Which of
>you is holding the non-electrified lever?"

[Logic puzzle deleted.  I read the issue, and understood why Supes made
the choice he did, so I'll let someone else actually figure it out]

>Except, if Luthor's such a genius, why didn't Supes just let him take the
>responsibility for his own life, and choose the lever himself???. . .

Because Mxyzptlk said that Superman had to choose.  Even if Mxy isn't
going to play fair (by lying), doesn't mean that Superman is going to
stop being the "big blue boy scout."  The rules (as stated by Mxy)
said that Supes had to choose.  Supes, being Supes, will follow the
rules.  Ergo, Supes chooses for himself.

Besides, does Supes know that Lex II is a genius like his "father"?
I'm not sure about this either way, I'm just asking.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
From: jz1j+@andrew.cmu.edu (James D. Zelenka)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: that little box in the lower corner
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:01:06 GMT
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 30-Sep-92 Re: that little
box in the .. Brian Perler@hertz.njit. (888)

> >I think I've heard it referred to as a 'UPC' box or
> >somesuch, so what does "UPC' stand for ????

> Obscure Trivia Lad says he thinks it stands for "United Parcel Code."
> Or something like that.

Universal Product Code, I believe.

A unique identifier for the "product" so those bar-code scanners that go
*beep* can be used to ring up your sale. Not that I've ever been to a
comic-book store that used 'em.

Well, actually, not all the scanners beep. I only made that up.

-jim
jz1j@andrew.cmu.edu
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Image Bashing -- Why???
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:42:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20957
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>	Jim Lee's WildC.A.T.S., all one issue so far, featured the same
>Jim Lee art we grew to know and love in the X-Men,

I'm certain that love is NOT the applicable emotion that I share with Jim
Lee's art.

-- 
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"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
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Subject: Re: Miracleman #23: Afterthinks
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:05:39 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons):
>Reread them back issues a lot closer.  Johnny Bates was killed quite
>violently at the end of that sequence, with brain destroyed and the
>body not placed in infraspace.  A Warhol-style construct might be possible,
>but no ressurection.

KM, on the other hand, is still alive, and could probably be cured.
It was the pain that drove him away.
From: akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: batman/green arrow cb
Date: 5 Oct 1992 17:55:43 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

Poison Ivy's first appearance was in Batman #181, way back in 1966. 
Since then, she has turned up in a number of stories : notably, she
was a member of the Secret Society of Super villains in the late 70s.
In the early 80s she was involved in a fairly long plotline in
Batman/Detective in which she tried to take over some part of
Wayne's holdings.

Recently, prior to the TPB, shes appeared in Black Orchid and in a Secret,
Origins issue (both written by Gaiman) and in a Swamp Thing annual. 

Abhijit
From: debg@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ginsberg deborah)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: re:  Sandman #43
Keywords: DC
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:12:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvnuKF.2KE
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


OK, just because no one else has said it yet, I'm going to take a different
tack and say this was not one of the best issues.  

The weakest aspect of this issue was the art.  A good example is page 6
panel 1.  That's an amazing building.  The details added and the details
left out work really well together.  But Delirium's face in the same panel
is three dots and an oval.  It looks pretty flat, like something you'd see
in a humorous cartoon.  There are more such faces throughout the issue.  I 
also don't like the way bodies are drawn - the emaciated Death (more so than
in #8) is an example.  The other panel I liked (and in this I disagree w/
Barabus) was page 17, panel 1, Destruction's painting.  Or rather, Barabus'
observations are correct, but it's a nice painting anyway.

I also thought they  spent too much time arranging transportation.  This may
just be a personal thing - there are only so many issues left, and they spent
1/3rd this issue at the travel agent, mostly in the reception room.  Maybe
Gaiman was trying to make a point about how frustrating those places can be.

I did like the frog bit, though.

Just once, I'd like to see one of these older characters who does not know
someone famous in history.  Doesn't know Keats, doesn't know the Marquis
de Sade, doesn't know Shakespeere, doesn't know Cathrine the Great, doesn't
know Thomas Jefferson  etc.  And never did.

I'd also like to see a child that isn't amazingly precocious.  But I do
agree w/ her comment.

The issue wasn't a total washout.  I thought it really picked up after they
left the travel agent.  I'm glad that not everyone is being killed 
instantly.  And I have no idea what is going on w/ Destruction.  But
I like the ongoing discussion.  

Just a thought.  If Delirium really is changing, and it's related to biology,
she could be becomming DNA . . . . :)

Debbie
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From: wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: PAD's Writing Article
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:43:29 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

Hi all!  I have just finished typiong PAD's But I Digress from issue #976
into my computer, something that I'm not about to repeat.  In any case,
If anyone is interested in this article (it's about how to break into
writing for comic books) and IF (this is a BIG IF) PAD would be so kind
as to give me permission,  I would be more than happy to post his article
into the net for all to see (I remember PAD saying something about
not being able to post to the newsgroups).

I humbly await your sentence...   :-)

August Paul Yang's wrists hurt from typing such a long article in.
wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:50:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.211522.12121@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> Wow!  Sandman #43 is one of the best issues to date.  No dramatic
> revelations, not much action, no side-splitting humor -- just solid
> and superb writing from the beginning to the end.

Agreed!  If I were to give one issue to someone unfamiliar with Sandman, and
who doesn't mind being dropped into the middle of things, this one would
be one of my top choices.

> Someone doesn't want Destruction found.

Why not Destruction himself?  It would be out of character for him to harm
family or relatives, but blowing up things and killing people in the process
is in his job description.

> But Gaiman manages to keep Delirium just strongly
> enough moored to reality to be worth paying attention to, and just strongly
> enough linked to Delight to be an enjoyable character.

Maybe to you.  But I can think of few fates worse than being locked in a
car with Delirium on a long roadtrip.

> I wonder whether they'll lose or dismiss the chauffer, so that Delirium
> gets to drive after all,

No need to.  I can see it now:

[Chauffeur and Dream are away from the car, and the chauffeur needs a key
 for some reason or another]
Chauffeur [searching her pockets]: "Must have left them in the car."

[Chauffeur and Dream look in the direction of the car, off stage right]
Chauffeur: "Oh no."
Delirium [off-stage right, natch]:  "Wheee!"

[Same pose, but the chauffeur has a shocked expession.  Dream's head
 hangs low, his hand covering his face.  We could hear him sigh, if
 the car weren't crashing right now.]
Sound effect [again, off-stage right]:  "CRASH!"


So I'm not Neil Gaiman.  So hit me.  :-)
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
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From: dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Yiu Ming KO)
Subject: Where's Captain Atom?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 13:52:13 GMT


	Subject says it all. Where the hell is he?  Someone asked
	this a while ago but didn't get much feedback. Why did DC
	sacrifice Hank Hall if they ain't putting Cap'n Atom 
	back into action?


May thy fortunes go with thee.

Darren				 dyko@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au 
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From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Robocop vs. Terminator, something's wrong
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:45:32 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I don't know.  Something is just NOT connecting between Simonson and Miller
with this story.  This is why:

1.  The pacing of this story is really off.  The big fight scene in the final
third of the book is just confusing.  Simonson's angles are really bad (maybe
it's Miller's scene descriptions).  Often the shots are just too close or not
detailed enough.

2.  What the HELL is that landing on the top of that building (about 2/3
through the book)???  Don't tell me that is the ambulance that was sitting on
the street one panel before.  How did it get on top of the building?  Someone
please explain this one to me.


This book is just not working.  Miller has some excellent concepts, and
Simonson has his moments (the final page, for instance), but they just don't
seem to be working very well together, which is disappointing, because I
admire them both.

-- 

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From: vapspyo@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Valor's name destroys time/space continuum
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:48:20 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Okay, let me get this straight.  Valor was Lar Gand
before his heroic fight in the Eclipso crossovers, at
which point he became Valor and got his own series.

But he was Valor in Starman #35, where he and Arizona's
favorite son meet.  So this story must happen after
Valor gets his name.

EXCEPT in the Eclipso crossovers Starman died. (And a
rather poor and out-of-character death, IMHO.) So the
DC continuity is torn assunder and the heroes can do
nought to save it.  (But then again, they already
used that storyline, didn't they?)

Jon
-- 
 Jon Hughes | vapspyo@prism.gatech.edu | "As your elf touches the gold 
------------+--------------------------+   doorknob, 45,000 Volts of 
 electricity run through his body.  Your elf is now charcoal. What does
   your wizard do?"  "He calls the Dungeon Master a jerk." - FoxTrot          
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: VALIANT
Keywords: THE NEXT MARVEL/DC!!!!!!
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:57:28 GMT

In article <003605t.1.717186475@ace.acadiau.ca> 003605t@ace.acadiau.ca (JEFFREY ROBERT THOMPSON) writes:
>I learned from them that there will never be any magic in the Valiant 
>Universe.  The Valiant Universe will only have about 15 titles going at one 

Um, I'd be real interested in just how they explain the Geomancers
then...we're not just talking communicating with inanimate objects,
but said objects exhibiting memory, sensory input from unknown
sources, etc. And Solar's powers are effectively magic in result
if not in rationalization.

"What is the name of the hero Billy Batson transforms into when he says his
magic word, 'Shazam'?"
"Gomer Pyle." --Double Dare
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Sheila Rani Gurtu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Upcoming Image Comics (no flames please)
Date: 2 Oct 1992 06:02:12 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: na
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> This brings up a question. The only scripts I've seen are the Sandman
> scripts published in the third collection and over in the late r.a.c.
> Those were fairly descriptive of what each panel should include. I
> wonder if Moore does this sort of script and whether such a script
> would make McFarlane's job easier or more difficult. 

Moore does do this sort of script.  Look at WATCHMEN for evidence; or even
some of the stuff he did for 2000 AD in Britain.  I remember one story that
was a lot like the BACK TO THE FUTURE movies, where characters kept hopping
back and forth through time, and meeting past and future versions of
themselves.  If you go back and look at the earlier panels, you can see
the future versions of the characters in the panel, before you were told
they were there.  It takes a little control on the writer's part to pull off
things like that, but the comics are usually better off for it, I feel.

I don't know how McFarlane would react to that sort of script.  No doubt he
had a big hand in coming up with a plot.
From: gls@windmill.ATT.COM (The 2nd Most Dangerous Man on Usenet)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: errors in tribute speech
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:21:16 GMT
Organization: Save the Dodoes Foundation

In <1992Sep28.071656.6909@tc.fluke.COM>, moriarty@tc writes:
> attractive) Balkan princess.  Rich Rosen and Ken Arndt in the middle 
> of a knife fight in the hotel courtesy suite.

A mere inaccuracy in an otherwise mendacious farrago.  I was there selling
tickets (while my assistant Gregor, disguised as a human being, took bets)
and cannot let this account go unchallenged.

1. It was the laundry room, not the courtesy suite.

2. It was runcible spoons, not knives.

I cannot emphasize this last point strongly enough.  Rosen and Arndt were
ARTISTS, just like Jackson Pollock, Jerry Lewis, and Elvis.  Personally
I judged that Arndt had the edge on technique, but in the end ... he was
outnumbered.

-:-
	"Hi, I'm Rich Rosen!"
	"It's one o' them god-damn ATHEISTS!  Go GIT him, boys!"
-- 
Col. G. L. Sicherman
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From: gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri)
Subject: Re: Sandman dream artists (no pun intended)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:23:25 GMT

In article <senuwfW00WB4ADHfJB@andrew.cmu.edu> "Steven M. Stadnicki" <ss7m+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>again.  Who would you *most* like to see do an issue (or issues) of Sandman,
>and on what theme?  (Assuming you could find a theme for said artist)
>
>                                  Steven Stadnicki
>                                  ss7m@andrew.cmu.edu
	Brian Bolland can do anything.
	And if there were to be a painted storyline, I'd like Glenn Fabry (see
recent Hellblazer covers) to do it.  
	Or, of course, Simon Bisley.
	Mike Mignola might do a good job.  He can't draw feet though.  (I'm 
serious about this.  Check anything you have by Mignola and try to find a good
foot.  You'd be fortunate to find a foot at all.)
	Hmm.  That's too many, isn't it?  Oh well.

Ravi Pillalamarri
gatsby@wam.umd.edu

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Hellblazer #59
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 05:29:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Ennis is at his worst with blood-all-over-the-floor stories like
"Royal Blood", and at his best with subtler stories like this one.
It seems that Constantine's little trick in "Dangerous Habits" is
coming home to roost.

Ennis does an elegant job of tying together the continuity from
Sandman and, to a lesser extent, Demon, to produce a consistent
political picture of Hell.

Along the way, we get some very nice one-liners, particularly
when Constantine is chatting with the succubus:

Ellie: What you've done to him, it can't *be* forgotten.
John: Dunno why.  I hardly raised a finger against him.

and

Ellie: The real reason the devil hated Lucifer was that Lucifer
	always beat him at *chess*.
John: Yeah, I heard about all the changes.  Got a postcard from Perth.

not to mention the uniquely Constantine narration:

Caption: We blag our way into a B and B, and while she's cleaning up,
	some gear falls off the back of a lorry for her...


Good stuff!  Ennis is at his best when he understates.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   If you're going to write, don't pretend to write down.  It's going to be the
   best you can do, and it's the fact that it's the best you can do that kills
   you! -- Dorothy Parker
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Frank Robbins (Re: Liefield stuff)
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:09:22 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <8en_dJe00Uh_Q5Xa0j@andrew.cmu.edu> ha09+@andrew.cmu.edu (Harith Jameel Alkhafiz) writes:
>On 01-Oct-92 in Re: Frank Robbins (Re: Lief..
>user Doug Quarnstrom@hpfcso.F writes:
>>I never really liked Kirby, ever.
>
>What?!  Take it back!  Everyone loves the King's magnificent art and
>creations!  From Kamandi, the Last Boy On Earth, to Darkseid, Dr. Doom
>and Galactus!  Repent, infidel!

Plus, Devil Dinosaur, my #1 reason to stay home on weekends.

>
>:-)

-- 
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"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Why does everyone hate MacFarlane? ANSWERS!
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:46:05 GMT

In article <19uraeINNitn@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder) writes:
>> BTW, Jim Lee is a Princeton grad, and the only thing he seems able to do
>> is write and draw mediocre comics.  Whatever happened to the Ivy League?
>
>Maybe he was a business major?  Hmmm?

Psychology actually. Although Princeton's admission policies came into doubt
quite a bit before that when they admitted Brooke Shields.

"Here on the tree shaded banks of Lake Micawawa lies one of America's great
storehouses of knowledge, The Double-Domed Institute for Advanced Thinking.
You, sir, what is your scholastic background?"
"Well, I have a B.A. from Columbia, an M.A. from Harvard, and a Ph.D. from 
Caltech."
"And I take it you're a professor here?"
"No, I'm the janitor."  --Goof Gas episode of Bullwinkle, an MIT favorite
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