HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: myersn@ece.orst.edu (Nathan Myers)
Subject: Experience with Centrophenoxine and Piracetam
Summary: Centrophenoxine good for depression, Piracetam not useful
Keywords: nootropics depression
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:05:39 GMT

I'm interested in others' experiences with nootropics
(as opposed to odd Durk'n'Sandy-type rumors).

I've been taking 150mg / day of Centrophenoxine (brand name
Lucidril), acquired through Interlab, as a treatment for mild
manic-depression.  I started at 300 mg and soon found that a
smaller dose was sufficient. (Interlab no longer ships to the
States, because our helpful government now impounds it on entry;
so I will need to find another source soon ...)  I have found it very
helpful, but have discovered no references to such use in
the literature I searched (the SCI from '87-'91).

Piracetam has been much discussed here, but I find it mostly
useless.  It improves concentration on physical/sensory
tasks, but seems to interfere with ideation and creativity to
the same extent.  It's great for driving or ice skating, but
not for design or writing.  On my regular dose of Centrophenoxine,
only 800 mg of Piracetam gives a very noticeable (to me, unpleasant)
effect.  I get a similar effect with several grams of lecithin and
a dose of pantothenic acid (vitamin B5), but not so quick.

I have often read warnings against use of choline boosters (such
as lecithin) by manic-depressives.  Perhaps a bad reaction to 
them is the most reliable indicator of the condition?

Nathan C. Myers        myersn@ece.orst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: kitsch@milton.u.washington.edu (Ted Fitch)
Subject: Re: Effects
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:36:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.152151.4263@acsu.buffalo.edu> majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu (Salamander~) writes:
>bird@cedar.circa.ufl.edu writes:
>
>>Actually, use of acid over extended periods of time can cause organic
>>dain bramage in some people. What kind or the extent of the damage I
>>really couldn't say.  That and the possibility of flashbacks are the
>>only long term effects of acid that I know of.
>
>	Nope.  LSD has not been shown to cause physical damage of any
>sort.  If you have references that say otherwise, I'd love to hear
>about them.  Additionally, flashbacks are most likely a purely
>psychological effect (similar to "reliving" some traumatic experience)
>than anything physical.
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There is a new book out called _Fire In the Brain_ by Richard Siegal.
He does a great job in one of the chapters, describing what flashbacks
are (in his opinion).  You might want to check it out.  

Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Effects
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:29:32 GMT

ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) writes:
>>"If you want to classify it. call it an empathogenic phenethlamine"
>Actually, MDMA- is a 3-carbon compound.. so this should actually read
>"empathogenic phenylisopropylamine" (please excuse my possible spelling errors..)
>Phenethlamines are 2-carbon compounds..from what I understand..

Hmmm... the impression I got was that both phenylisopropylamine and
phenethylamine were appropriate...

>BTW- anyone have any experience w/MBDB.. I understand that this is
>an empathogenic compound with little dopamine releasing effect..
>(don't know the chem. formula..- is this a 2 or 3 carbon..?_

4 carbon compound otherwise identical to MDMA.

-- 
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University of Washington, Seattle.    Disc: if UW ever finds out what I post... 
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From: jtucker@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Joe T. Ucker       )
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: DMAE, PABA and cancer
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:55:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


	I've received a few letters and have seen a brief discussion
	without any sort of resolution on the rumour I posted sbout
	DMAE, it's solvent and cancer.  A reader contacted twinlabs
	(tm) and stated the nervous operator shakily confirmed that
	the only solvent that they used with their DMAE was water.

	I recently found a DMAE bottle in a healthfood store and
	found the DMAE in TWinlabs to be in  a PABA (para-amino ben-
	zoic acid) base.  The solvent is indeed water.  

	So I checked out the biomed libraries' reports on PABA.  I
	found a few reports of similar substances being
	carcinogenic.  I'm an amateur and I don't have these
	articles handy, but I believe these were pyrridines.  I
	found Peter Alex the med student on the shuttle today and
	he suggested the benzoic acid was the problem.  He 
	said that it is hypothesized that benzene itself is the
	culprit in causing cancer.  We talked a little about the
	chemical structure and the floating electrons of the 
	benzene ring and the efficacy of this structure in fucking
	with DNA replication.  Benzene is the same thing responsible
	for the potent carcinogenic activities of burnt barbeque
	meterial which is basically just a clump of benzene riings.
	
	The journals were mostly unreadable to this novice but 
	by the availability of benzocaine, sunscreens containing
	benzene-type chemicals (which react with UV light to create
	free raqdicals) that this issue is either unresolved or
	not yet critical (as the journals seemed to suggest- in-
	conclusive.)  PATMS (peter alex the med student) believed
	the necessity of these products in medical practices
        currently outweighs their dangers.  This didn't make sense
	to me, aS the use in suncreen is to PREVENT cancer while
	he claimed these same substances CAUSED cancer.

	Maybe this shouldn't be taken all that seriously.  But
	I'm sure a few others as well as myself would appreciate
	it if a more biochemically-minded reader could make sense
	of this and give a few words to the newsgroups.

--
jtucker@sdcc13.ucsd.edu			Joseph A. Tucker
From: rigler@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Somme Mersault)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: PCA/DMAE/Ginkgo combo: Dosages, and Migraines
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:54:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr9.215435.24928
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii

In article <1992Apr9.214352.22014@news.Hawaii.Edu> rigler@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Somme Mersault) writes:
>one/week down to one/year.  Cheeze and certain other aged foods 
                             ^^^^^^

My God!  It's been so long since I've eaten cheese that I forgot
how to spell it!  Sincere apologies for this and any other spelling
errors in my last post.  I hope I managed to get my points across...

--
 Rigler                         (So help me, Me!)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: ileicht@jarthur.claremont.edu (Spiff)
Subject: Re: Effects
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 07:59:15 GMT

>         A previous poster mentioned a possible amphetamine content
>         to his Ecstasy.  As Lamont stated, there are no amphetamines
>         contained in pure MDMA (althought the chemical formula does-
>         3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine.)  What the poster may have
>         been referring to (my apologies for my program and my
>         forgetting your name) are some of the amphetamine-like
>         effects.  There are some: increase in pulse, blood pressure
>         rise, insomnia, anorexia (loss of appetite), muscle tension,
>         bruxism (grinding the teeth.)     

I was under the impression that MDMA was sort of like a cross between
peyote and an amphetamine as far as effects go... I thought the 
amphetamine quality of the "trip" was from the amptheamine in
the full name.

What in MDMA causes the amphetamine like effects? the same thing
that causes them in LSD?  

Now I am going to ask a chemistry ignorant question: If MDMA
doesn't have any ampethamines in it.. or is not an amphetamine..
why does it have that in the name...


Xref: sparky alt.psychoactives:521 talk.politics.drugs:2712
From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Hempless history - Can you help me?
Date: 5 Apr 92 14:43:30 GMT
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <891034d.16@ace.acadiau.ca> 891034d@ace.acadiau.ca (PETER F. DEARMAN) writes:
>Organization: Acadia University
>Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 21:22:35 GMT
>   I'm doing a research paper on the suppression of hemp by the government 
>and similar forces.  I know what a valuable plant hemp is.  What I want to 
>know more about is what sort of decisions and events led to the prohibition 
>of cannabis.  The standard line is that a moralistic society and effective 
>lobby groups combined to make it politically necessary to ban the plant.  I 
>find such a simplistic pluralistic explanation hard to swallow.  Why is it 
>illegal almost everywhere?  Did the pulpwood, petrochemical, gasoline, 
>textile, or pharmaceutical industries have a significant influence?
>    And why is the world's easiest-to-grow source of high quality protein so 
>underutilized in the third world?  This could be (and apparently has been up 
>to colonial times) the world's number one subsistance food source.  Why isn'
>t it?  Who made sure that it isn't?
>    Please help me answer these questions.
---

    I assume you've read "The Emporer Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer.

    It *appears* that at the time cannabis was made illegal, much of it
was related to suppressing the 'blackies' who were not acting meek like
they were supposed to.  The use of cannabis was associated with the black
musician and jazz music movement, and the folks at that time found that
as threatening as the establishment of our generation found rock&roll
threatening.  So they noted that the drug of choice among those they
disliked was the dreaded marijuana, so it got attacked.  One of the main
anti-pot persons was William Randolph Hearst (sp?), because of whom the
term "yellow journalism" was created.

    Similarly, LSD was associated with the 60's anti-war,
anti-establishment sentiment.  People who took it begin to think too much
for themselves.  So it too was made illegal.  Amusingly enough, I've
heard that long term LSD usage has been associated with only one
measurable side effect: a rise in IQ by about 10 points.

    The bit about LSD and chromosonal damage which many people still
believe was all a hoax and never duplicated by any reputable labs.  The
person who did the research was the same guy was was found guilty of
fraud recently -- the fertility doctor who used his own sperm to
impregnate patients and is estimated to have fathered over 70 children.

-wat-
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From: v064lnev@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Avatar)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: MAO and inhibitors (?)
Date: 12 Apr 92 08:51:00 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello,

	Would someone please explain to me what a MAO is, and what a MAO
inhibitor is?  Thank you.  I realize that this may be too novice a question to
ask on this newsgroup, but I am interested, and would like to learn about them.
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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont)
Subject: Re: Effects
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 12:07:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

..
"If you want to classify it. call it an empathogenic phenethlamine"
Actually, MDMA- is a 3-carbon compound.. so this should actually read
"empathogenic phenylisopropylamine" (please excuse my possible spelling errors..)
Phenethlamines are 2-carbon compounds..from what I understand..

BTW- anyone have any experience w/MBDB.. I understand that this is
an empathogenic compound with little dopamine releasing effect..
(don't know the chem. formula..- is this a 2 or 3 carbon..?_
.

-- 
--
Chris Beaumont
PO Box 170156,San Francisco,CA. 94117
ccat@netcom.com
From: zane@infopls.chi.il.us (Sameer Parekh)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Phenylaline
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 08:48:43 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

        I read in the UWashington archive how Phenylaline with Vitamin C 
and Vitamin B12 is an effective sleep substitute with less side effects 
than caffeine?  Any more information?

---
Sameer Parekh   zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM      zane@infopls.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Effects
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:26:35 GMT

ileicht@jarthur.claremont.edu (Spiff) writes:
>> Not really.  Peyote doesn't have entactogenic qualities which is the major
>> effect of MDMA.
>> If you want to classify it, call it an entactogenic
>> phenethylamine.
>
>What is the nature of entactogenic phenethylamine.

Entactogens and Empathogens produce psychedelic experiences that are more
ego-strengthening than LSD.  Its hard to explain exactly what they feel like.
phenethylamines are chemicals that have this structure in them:

       NH2
 /\ /\/
|()| 
 \/


>What other things
>are classified as having entaactogenic qualities?

MDMA, MDA, MMDA, MDE, MBDB, MDAI, MDMI.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu  (anon: ap.4497@layout.berkeley.edu)
University of Washington, Seattle.    Disc: if UW ever finds out what I post... 
alt.drugs FTP site: milton.u.washington.edu[128.95.136.1] dir:/public/alt.drugs
               For quotes and other useless info see my .plan
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Deprenyl info wanted
Keywords: hemp, marijuana, prohibition
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:24:38 GMT

gray@celia.UUCP (Steve Gray) writes:
>Anyone have any info on Deprenyl?  I came across it in a catalog from
>Pharmaceuticals International.  They claim it can have similar effects to
>Prozac.  Ideas on safe dosages?  Is it contra-indicated in any cases?
>Also, what is it really?  The name "Deprenyl" does not show up in any of the
>indicies in a (1990) PDR.

Its a specific inhibitor of MAO-B until you get to high doses at which
the specificity is lost.  It apparently does not cause a "cheese reaction"
like other MAOIs (it is an irreversible inhibitor, however).  Also,
there is a little controversy over its anti-depressant effect.  Some
believe that its only an anti-depressant when its administered at doses
high enough for it to lose enzyme specificity.

Its simlar to Prozac in that its an antidepressant.  They have very
different methods of action, however.

It is probably only indicated in depression that is refractory to
reuptake inhibitors, has atypical features, and is not a result of
neurotic symptoms secondary to an inadequate personality.

I haven't checked, but I imagine that the usual list of foods and drugs
which need to be avoided while on a MAOI should be avoided while on 
l-deprenyl.

-- 
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University of Washington, Seattle.    Disc: if UW ever finds out what I post... 
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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: ileicht@jarthur.claremont.edu (Spiff)
Subject: Alcohol Inhibitor
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:15:16 GMT

I heard that there was a thread going before on alt.drugs or
alt.psychoactives about some chemical that caused alcohol to
be passed directly through the body.

It supposably had the effect of lowering your tolerance, keeping
you drunk longer, and most importantly.. the alcohol would pass
right through your system leaving no nasty hangover or liver
damange.

Shoudl this be thrown in teh Urban Folklore pile?
From: jtucker@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Joe T. Ucker       )
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: A Message from Psilocybin
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:25:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In the Seventies there was a US manufacturer of psilocin,
unfortunately it is no longer legal to manufacture psilocin and
so this company no longer manufactures it.

I have never heard of any person buying or selling straight
psilocin.  However one can extract the drug from mushrooms  by
simple processes and put it pill form or drop it in capsules or
whatever...

--
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Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp)
Subject: Re: Scanners on Planes
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 19:44:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr4.205655.17293@samba.oit.unc.edu> Jae.Kwak@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jae Kwak) writes:
>
>Can any of you tell me what problems I might encounter if I
>try to bring aboard my portable scanner onto a commerical airline
>on my carryon luggage?  Will there be big security breaches that
>I might violate or is it perfectly safe and legal (and not embarrasing)
>to bring aboard a scanner?  Mine does have the 800 mhz mods done..
>so is this a problem?.. thanx
>



There is no problem bringing one aboard. Presumably you would also
want to operate it while aboard. This is where the problem arises.
The FAA prohibits operation of devices aboard an aircraft that 
emit RF radiation without specific approval of the operator of the
aircraft. This includes radios, TV's cellular phones etc. Apparently
they haven't applied it to CD players and personal computers. Some
airlines (like United) ask that you not use your computer during 
taxiing, or takeoff or landings.

-- 
Richard Crisp       crisp@netcom.com
(415) 903-3832 wk (408) 253 4541 fax
Cupertino, Ca     KD6BUT
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twice as many transistors? Oh yeah, It`s BiCMOS, now I understand! -ISSCC92"
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: maurice@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Maurice Rich)
Subject: Re: PRO-2021 & PRO-32 mod to increase scan speed
Keywords: PRO-2021 PRO-32 mod speed
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: 11 Apr 92 07:28:22 GMT

Are there any other mods to the PRO32 ? (mine's a PRO32A model # 20-9133)
I would be particularly interested in some frequencies below 68mhz and in
the range 174-380 Mhz or above 512mhz.  I know all these may be unachievable
(dirty word that !) but any one or more would be enough to make me happy !

Also, what are the sizes (thread etc) of the screws used in the RS scanners.
I need to replace a few (trips in the car, the boat, the tow-truck etc seem
to promote rust on the heads)

-- 
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From: 6500hage@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (William F. Hagen)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: 211 in Progress
Date: 17 Apr 92 07:20:37 GMT


 How about a 459 or a 502?
From: TRADER@cup.portal.com (Paul Vincent McGinnis)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: FCC master database
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 12:07:01 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Instead of spending money to get the microfiche databases, go to your
local FCC field office - the staff there will help you as needed and
they have at least 1 microfiche viewer per office. The only drawback
is that they are open "normal business hours" Monday-Friday, which isn't
too good if you have to work...

Paul McGinnis / TRADER@cup.portal.com
From: 6500hage@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (William F. Hagen)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: freqs for national Parks?
Keywords: freqs
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:56:10 GMT
Distribution: alt

Anyone have the freqs used by the rangers in the national
parks such as yosemite and kings canyon etc.?

Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: AMELMN02@ysub.ysu.edu
Subject: Dade County FL freqs.
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:16:58 GMT

I am posting this for someone who just moved to FL
He has an AOR900 and needs freqs for it. If someone
would send me a list I will forward it to him.
Tnx in advance.
JKC
 
 
 
 
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: meharp01@vlsi.louisville.edu (Michael Harpe)
Subject: Re: "I can't talk about that on the radio"
Organization: University of Louisville
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:23:42 GMT

dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Bank) writes:

>Good for them...... (look at my .sig)

>-- 
>Doug Bank                       Private Systems Division
>dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com          Motorola Communications Sector
>dougb@nwu.edu                   Schaumburg, Illinois
>dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu       708-576-8207                    

OK, since you pointed it out in your .sig, I have a couple of questions that
i'm sure are of general interest :-).  I understand that you can't reveal  
proprietary information, I hope these questions are general enough.

1.  What encryption standard is employed in your system?
2.  What general security level can they reasonably expect?
3.  Are the number of keys sufficiently large to prevent me from purchasing
    a compatible HT and trying to guess the key?
4.  Are the keys easily changed or does it require a programming unit?

I guess these are the kind of questions I would ask if I was considering
purchasing a secured radio system.  Along those lines, what's to prevent
"bad guys" from buying the same system?  Does Motorola have business 
policies about who they sell secured systems to?

BTW, I misspoke in my original posting on two points.  The tactical radios
are the only ones that have converted (they have a 5 channel system, 4 of
which are still "clear") and they use GE "Voice Guard" radios.  How does the
Motorola system compare?  They use these radios through their standard 
repeater system.

It's great to have a "pro" in this group.  Maybe we can all learn more about
communications systems while we exchange information.

Mike Harpe, N4PLE
University of Louisville

Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner