HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: Spreading News over multiple platters
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:36:49 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Dec14.164132.686@totaltec.com>, mark@totaltec.com writes:
> Is there anyway to spread the actual news files over more than one disk?

Yes. I do:

$ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC              NEWS_ROOT        DUA4:[NEWSMGR.DATA]
$ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC/TRANS=(conc) NEWS_DEVICE      DUA4:[NEWSMGR.DATA.]
$ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC              NEWS_MANAGER     DUA6:[NEWSMGR.MANAGER]
$ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC/TRANS=(conc) NEWS_MANAGER_DEV DUA6:[NEWSMGR.MANAGER.]

I suspect that you could put all four on different devices, although I
haven't actually tried it.
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Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
From: dhenchoz@ulci20.unil.ch (Daniel HENCHOZ)
Subject: SET PROFILE/FASTLOAD Option
Organization: University of Lausanne CH (Switzerland)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:56:35 GMT


Hello !

I've selected the SET PROFILE/FASLOAD Option in my
NEWSRC. file to speed up the starting of the news program
on my VAX system. But now how can I proceed if I want to
see all the unregistered newsgroups to select a new one ??
I've tried: DIR/UNREGISTTER; I receive the message 
Connecting to server @ ulci20.unil.ch (using TCP [Multinet])
Retrieving newsgroups:......................
But even if I give the REFRESH command it doesn't appear any
unsubscibed newsgroup on my screen !
Any help would be aprreciated! We are running ANU-NEWS
version V6.0-3. Thanks in advance.

					Daniel
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Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: 4584 items in JUNK...
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:31:58 GMT
Followup-To: news.software.anu-news
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <Don.Rainwater-101292091850@ucrain.san.uc.edu>, Don.Rainwater@UC.Edu (Don Rainwater) writes:
> 
>         I've got 4,584 items in my JUNK newsgroup.  If I understand things
> correctly, items for groups that I don't carry end up going to JUNK, right?
> Even though I have the note retention period on JUNK set to 1 day, so that
> the articles go away when newsskim runs, it seems to me that it would be
> better to just not store the articles at all.  Is there a way to accomplish
> this?
> 
>         Btw, it's not like we receive all news, but only have a few groups
> defined - I have 1440 newsgroups, including alt, comp, gnu, misc, news,
> rec, soc, talk, and some local and regional hierarchies.  Hardly anything
> is blocked from coming in.

Have you looked at the groups these message are actually posted to with
READ/HEADER? 4,584 messages in a day is about 1/4 of the *entire* usenet
traffic. More likely some system problem is preventing these messages
from being stored correctly. Can you read them? If not check the add
batch log files. Could be you're out of disk space or ,more likely,
indexf.sys is badly fragmented in which case you will have to reinit the
disk.

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Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: RE: ANU NEWS on VMS 4.6:  Best Version?  NNTP?
From: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@AARNET.EDU.AU>
Date: 15 Dec 1992 08:52:34 +1100
Reply-To: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@AARNET.EDU.AU>
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Tim,
 
> At the moment we are stuck with a MicroVax II running VMS 4.6.  Could someone
> tell me what is the highest version of ANU NEWS that will run with this
> configuration?  Would that version include NNTP server code compatible with
> MultiNet TCP/IP?  Any help will be greatly appreciated!
 
While I cannot explicitly confirm this (not having access to a 4.6 system)
the source code should compile and execute without problem. There
are two areas which I recall were VMS system dependant - the mail
interface and the rightlist calls.
 
Both areas revert to VMS V4.x emchanisms when unable to execute V5.x calls
 
Geoff
From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: Client permissions
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:36:04 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In <1992Dec11.151412.259@mvax.uakom.cs>, smolenova@mvax.uakom.cs writes:
>   Post: newsgroup/distribution rejected by local sys filter

What did the article look like? Did it have a Distribution: header?
What newsgroup(s) was it posted to? What does the NEWS.SYS file entry
for the local system (ME) look like?

> In our NEWS.SYS file in VAX node was added one line for news client
> node, which name is 'pako.uakom.cs':

You only need NEWS.SYS file entries for systems that you feed. You
don't need any for nntp news readers/posters. Keep in mind that you
ALWAYS feed the site that feeds you, if only to send out locally
posted articles.
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From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: problems with NNTP feed
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:17:38 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <00965399.4531ED40.25144@nsrl31.nsrl.rochester.edu>,
 Rich Ibbotson <ibbotson@NSRL31.NSRL.ROCHESTER.EDU> writes:
>   I've just been trying to install ANU-News version 6.1 on a vax cluster
> running VMS A5.5, with almost all newsgroups being served remotely from a
> SUN via NNTP.
>...  
>   I have been told that it has been putting a considerable load on the
> server machine, so it doesn't seem to be any strange delay on the client end
> of things.  Can anyone offer any advice?

Yes. Don't use the hybrid configuration where some groups are local
and some are remotely served. Either use a client only configuration
instead, and get the server system to carry the groups that you want
to be local, or set up your own database and get a feed from the
server system. The method of handling /SERVED newsgroups involves a
LOT of overhead. It uses the NNTP command NEWNEWS for individual
groups, which causes the server to have to look through its ENTIRE
database for every served group whenever a SKIM operation is run. As
you found out, this puts quite a load on the server machine.
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From: burress@twics.co.jp (Tim Burress)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: ANU NEWS on VMS 4.6:  Best Version?  NNTP?
Date: 12 Dec 92 08:34:53 GMT
Organization: TWICS, Tokyo, Japan

At the moment we are stuck with a MicroVax II running VMS 4.6.  Could someone
tell me what is the highest version of ANU NEWS that will run with this
configuration?  Would that version include NNTP server code compatible with
MultiNet TCP/IP?  Any help will be greatly appreciated!

						Thanks!

-- 

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: dbasinge@ucs.indiana.edu (D. Michael Basinger)
Subject: XOVERVIEW in tin
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:28:46 GMT

Could someone explain what the xoverview function within tin. How do 
you use it?

Mike
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: tin flame
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:05:20 GMT

In article <Bz8oGr.CC@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>I think that's beside the point, though.  Why is it imperative *now*
>that "t" and "T" be switched?  Why were "f" and "F" switched in the
>previous patchlevel?  IMHO, patches to existing software serve to fix
>bugs from previous releases, and *possibly* to add small experimental
>features.  Changing the behavior of unbroken existing features is best
>left for whole-version upgrades.

I agree with Tim... I am still running 1.1pl5, despite the fact that
I could really use the allegedly much faster indexing daemon, because
I haven't had time to _undo_ some of these user-interface "features".

Not only is it entirely unreasonable for me to change major keyboard
commands in the middle of a semester when I've got a couple of hundred
users, but furthermore I don't like the changes one bit because they
break the minimal consistency with rn/trn that existed... something
that's important to me personally and a subset of my users who use
both newsreaders.

Anyway... I registered this complaint before, when Iain made the "i"
command go away.  I like "q" better, too, but I put "i" back in, in
addition to "q", because I simply couldn't change one of the most
fundamental commands of the user interface just like that.

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From: ajt@doc.ic.ac.uk (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: tin flame
Date: 14 Dec 1992 00:04:26 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Reply-To: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: swan.doc.ic.ac.uk
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Tim Pierce (twpierce@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
: Earlier this evening I compiled and installed tin 1.1 PL8, having gone
: through the CHANGES document and determined to my satisfaction that
: the greatest difference between it and PL7 was the elm-style
: "mini-menu."  No sooner had I installed it, however, than I started
: receiving complaints from my users about key settings changing,
: specifically "t" and "T".

Give Iain a little credit, Tim!

Did you warn your users that a new version of tin was being installed?

Iain makes a point of responding to bug reports and suggestions from us
_all_ and without his efforts we would not have such a good, free
newsreader as tin would we?

	Tony.
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers,news.software.nntp
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: Getting newsgroup descriptions via NNTP (was Re: .newsrc editors, FAQ wanted)
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 17:23:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.184347.11656@anl433.uucp> Iain.Lea@anl433.uucp writes:
>Bill Fenner (fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu) wrote:
>:
>: The ANU/NEWS NNTP server has "XGTITLE [group]" - return the description from
>: the "newsgroups" file for the current group, or the specified group.  If
>: anyone is going to implement this for any other NNTP platforms, it might be
>: a good idea to use XGTITLE for compatibility with existing implementations.
>
>The NNTP 1.5.11 server already supports this with the LIST NEWSGROUPS command.

	Not really.  It lists the _ENTIRE_ newsgroups file, not just
one newsgroup, which is what I originally asked.  Something like XGTITLE
would be useful in many newsereader situations.

--Dave
From: qq11@liverpool.ac.uk (Alan Thew)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Choosing a newsreader
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:11:39 GMT
Organization: The University of Liverpool
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Tim Pierce (twpierce@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec12.234714.13397@netcom.com> cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton) writes:

: >The one caveat on accepting my advice is that I have not tried trn.  If
: >you can get someone who's tried both tin and trn, they could give you a
: >comparison of the two.  I've gathered from discussions, though, that the
: >trn interface is more complex.

: Somewhat, but IMHO not very much.  It's less screen-oriented than
: either tin or ANU News, and practically a piece of cake for rn users.
: Trn supplies more complete threading than the other threaded
: newsreaders I've used (tin, GNUS, nn), which can be a nice advantage
: at times.
Probably the fastest way to read news....IMHO :-) 

: I think that if it came with maybe a brief tutorial, trn would be at
: least as easy as tin for the beginner.  At present, it's also more
: stable.
xrn is simple to use if set up well IMHO, if you'd prefer an X based 
solution.
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Choosing a newsreader
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:20:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.234714.13397@netcom.com> cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton) writes:

>The one caveat on accepting my advice is that I have not tried trn.  If
>you can get someone who's tried both tin and trn, they could give you a
>comparison of the two.  I've gathered from discussions, though, that the
>trn interface is more complex.

Somewhat, but IMHO not very much.  It's less screen-oriented than
either tin or ANU News, and practically a piece of cake for rn users.
Trn supplies more complete threading than the other threaded
newsreaders I've used (tin, GNUS, nn), which can be a nice advantage
at times.

I think that if it came with maybe a brief tutorial, trn would be at
least as easy as tin for the beginner.  At present, it's also more
stable.

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: jth@infodyn.com (Jabba The Hutt)
Subject: Re: .newsrc editors, FAQ wanted
Organization: Information Dynamics, Saratoga, CA, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:00:08 GMT

In article <Bz2Bxv.1wn1@austin.ibm.com> will@austin.ibm.com (Will Fiveash) writes:
>(Unfortunately, I have been vi
>conditioned and therefore incapable of operating emacs).

I want to shake your hand, Will.  I know a whole mess of people
who bad mouth vi and sing praises of emacs, but I think I can
out-perform any of those emacs users with trusty old vi.
From: ted@isgtec.com (Ted Richards)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: tin flame
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:07:20 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc. Mississauga Ont. Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Pope Clifton (cliftonr@netcom.com) wrote:
: Pope Clifton (cliftonr@netcom.com) wrote:
: :   Hmmmm.  It would seem to me that it shouldn't be that hard to make the
: : key-to-function mappings come out of some global init file, in which case
: : sysops could decide for themselves whether they wanted to change the key
: : mappings or leave them like the previous version.  I know I've done that in
: : some programs; it adds very little code.  One could even provide for an
: : individual user init file to override the standard key mappings, ala mush.

:   I just filed this as an enhancement request via the 'B'ug report command.
: If you're right about Iain preferring to work on enhancements and tweaks 
: to fixing bugs, maybe this will get his attention. <grin>
:   If it's caused you a lot of grief, maybe you should file the same 
: enhancement request, on the 'squeaky wheel' principle.
:   -- Clifton

Actually, if you _really_ want to get his attention, send him a patch
file that will implement the change you want!

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: tin flame
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:50:50 GMT

In article <1ggj2aINNi0i@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk> ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk writes:

>Give Iain a little credit, Tim!

I give him plenty of credit for working hard on tin and producing a
product that, where it is well-written, it is *very* well-written.
I'm less than pleased with its development, though.

>Did you warn your users that a new version of tin was being installed?

In fact, I didn't, which is contrary to my usual procedure (and a
bigger mistake in this case than I realized).  I installed it publicly
only after reading through the CHANGES document for the differences
from PL7, and deciding that the user-noticable differences were minor.

I think that's beside the point, though.  Why is it imperative *now*
that "t" and "T" be switched?  Why were "f" and "F" switched in the
previous patchlevel?  IMHO, patches to existing software serve to fix
bugs from previous releases, and *possibly* to add small experimental
features.  Changing the behavior of unbroken existing features is best
left for whole-version upgrades.

>Iain makes a point of responding to bug reports and suggestions from us
>_all_ and without his efforts we would not have such a good, free
>newsreader as tin would we?

The jury's still out.  I'll let you know around Version 3. :-)

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: news@fuhainf2.fernuni-hagen.de (USENET News System)
Subject: tin 1.18 and nntp
Organization: FernUniversitaet Hagen
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:52:49 GMT

Hello
I've got two problems after patching the nntp-sources with that patches coming
along with the new tin version.
1. It seems that the motd-option doesn't work. Because when I change the motd-
 file and then starting tin again, the message wouldn't be displayed.
2. Moreover I've got problems with my nntplog-file. Before patching the
sources it logs infos over host, users articles and groups. But now it only
contains the following information.
 Dec 15 12:29:52 local nntpd[28276]: fuhainf2 unrecognized authinfo
 Dec 15 12:29:52 local nntpd[28276]: fuhainf2 unrecognized spooldir list
 Dec 15 12:29:52 local nntpd[28276]: fuhainf2 user ising (Oliver Ising)
 And only for user, who are reading their news with tin. What make I wrong?
Any hints are welcome.
Oliver

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: luisg@hadar.fai.com (Luis Galleguillos)
Subject: Re: looking for newsreader software
Originator: luisg@lugano
Keywords: xrn
Organization: Fujitsu NTS
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:15:41 GMT


In article <1gao87INNkrn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, au141@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Amber M. Spillers) writes:
|> 
|>    I have recently installed a 386BSD system and I am trying to get a
|> few newsreaders for it up.  NN crases horribly so until I get down and
|> dirty with debugging that will not do, RN works fine and I plan to go
|> and get the emacs based newsreader soon. 
|>    my question is: where can I find some more news readers like TRN?  I
|> did not find them on any of the FTP sights I frequent but I did find NN
|> and RN there.
|> 
|>   reply via E-mail if possible, I lost my feed but I shoudl have it back
|> and some undetermined time.
|> 
|> 
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|> 

If you have X11 you can run xrn news reader.
I am very happy with it. It has many nice features such as
subject search,post facility etc.

How to get XRN:

% ftp ic.berkeley.edu
user: anonymous
password: guest
ftp> cd pub/xrn
ftp> binary
ftp> get xrn6-17beta.tar.Z
ftp> quit
% uncompress xrn6-17beta.tar.Z
% tar xf xrn6-17beta.tar

good luck!

luis

Xref: sparky news.software.readers:2488 news.software.nn:1659 news.software.b:3548
From: langfod@leela.CS.ORST.EDU (David Langford)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,news.software.nn,news.software.b
Subject: compiling trn/nn clients with INN nntp libs
Keywords: inn nntp trn nn
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:02:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1glv68INNr45
Distribution: world
Organization: OSU CS Outreach Services, Corvallis, Oregon

Has anyone compiled TRN to use the NNTP library from the INN package?
The configure script for TRN wants to know where the standard NNTP sources
are (which, of course, are not the same as with INN).
(I have not tried NN yet but if anyone knows of a problem- 
 do you know a solution)

Thank you,
-David Langford
langfod@leela.cs.orst.edu

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: sergio@Ingres.COM (Sergio L Aponte)
Subject: Re: Distribution of post in tin
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Distribution: net
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:01:09 GMT

	I agree.

	At least, an idea, a sugestion. Maybe we could specify default
	distribution by newsgroup?
From: pg@sanitas.stortek.com (Paul Gilmartin)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Choosing a newsreader
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:38:48 GMT
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Adam Shostack (adam@endor.uucp) wrote:
: The lab I do systems management for is (finally) getting a newsfeed.
: Most of our users are MDs or Postdocs, ie, quite bright people who
: don't want to spend the time to learn a new system.  Their preferred
: mail reader is elm, if I can get them away from the Sun Mailtool.
: 
: I'm wondering what newsreader folks would reccommend as easy to learn
: and use?  (Threading would be a great addition, but not at the cost of
: lots of ease of use.)

I find tin remarkably close to elm in look and feel.  Threads.  Easy (IMO).
Newsgroups: news.software.readers