HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTerminal 3.0 and Telnet?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:40:37 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <BxxB6D.IJo@news.chalmers.se> puetter@pe.chalmers.se (Johan Puetter)
writes:
>Is it possible to telnet with MacTerminal 3.0?
>
>What CTB-tools do I need? My "MacTCP tool" says "Use only with MacX"???
>Do I need a telnet tool?

Yes, you need a telnet tool. I use TCPack, published by Advanced Software
Concepts in France. They also have an ftp tool called FTPack.

Although their customer support leaves much to be desired, the tools are good.

Their address is:

Advanced Software Concepts
9551, route de Saint Laurent du Var
F-06610 La Gaude
FRANCE

phone: (33) 93 24 76 00
fax:   (33) 93 24 76 06

You might also try them at ADV.SOFT@applelink.apple.com, although I've never
gotten a response to anything I've sent them there.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard

Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.comm:11016 comp.sys.novell:9537 comp.dcom.lans:1974
From: smwall@pica.army.mil (Steve Wall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.novell,comp.dcom.lans
Subject: Printing via Parallel/Localtalk: What's Faster?
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:32:42 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Anhedonics Anonymous

In our office we have a Tektronics Phaser IIPXi color printer.  Currently 
it's connected to our 10Base-T network via an Etherprint+ box.  Our Novell
guru is recommending we switch the Phaser over to an Intel NetPort II,
which
is similar to the Etherprint+, but outputs to a parallel port instead of
Localtalk.  She says this will improve performance.  I think she's
confusing
Localtalk connection performance with serial connection performance, and
that
Localtalk should be marginally faster or at least equal to parallel for
this
printer.

The Localtalk net for this printer is quite lightly loaded, consisting of 
the Phaser, a Laserwriter II and a NetSerial connected to a plotter.  None
of
these items is in very heavy use.

  Theoretic data rate for Localtalk is 230Kbps, while parallel
is 115Kbps(?), so assuming a little more overhead in Appletalk packet
switching, I expect very similar throughput from Localtalk or parallel.

Can anyone offer their experience in printing to a Postscript printer in
parallel or Localtalk, or formal/informal benchmarks to show what's
faster?

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.

Steve Wall   smwall@pica.army.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: dseeman@novell.com (Daniel Seeman)
Subject: Re: Printing via Parallel/Localtalk: What's Faster?
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:47:30 GMT

In article <smwall-161192111506@hipmac1.pica.army.mil> smwall@pica.army.mil (Steve Wall) writes:
>In our office we have a Tektronics Phaser IIPXi color printer.  Currently 
>it's connected to our 10Base-T network via an Etherprint+ box.  Our Novell
>guru is recommending we switch the Phaser over to an Intel NetPort II,
 She says this will improve performance.  I think she's
>confusing
>Localtalk connection performance with serial connection performance, and
>that
>Localtalk should be marginally faster or at least equal to parallel for
>this
>printer.
>
>  Theoretic data rate for Localtalk is 230Kbps, while parallel
>is 115Kbps(?), so assuming a little more overhead in Appletalk packet
>switching, I expect very similar throughput from Localtalk or parallel.
>

Hi,

Printing performance over LocalTalk can be comperable to that of parallel
connected printers.  As you have stated, the data rates and protocol issues 
combine to yield similar performance among these physical connections.

However, one thing I do know is that by going to a parallel connection, you will
cease to use the AppleTalk protocol which will ADD overhead for your admin.  
When using a non-AppleTalk printer (like a parallel printer) you must make your 
file server (ATPS.NLM in particular) handle some things manually that would be 
handled automatically by the AppleTalk protocol.  For example, when using non-
AppleTalk printing, how will you "tell" your Macintosh clients of an updated
font list?  When using AppleTalk printers font lists will be exchanged automatic
ally when the client prints.  If you change the font list of a non-AppleTalk 
printer, you must modify the font list file on the server manually.  This single
task isn't too difficult, but this is only ONE of the simple tasks for the admin.  There are others (what about LaserPrep???).  So, your considerations here
should not center on performance only.  You should consider ease of use and
overhead.  This is especially true when the performance benefits are dubious at
best.

I hope this helps...

Think Peace...

Dan Seeman
Novell
Walnut Creek, Ca.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees & Eudora
From: bobjen@darwin.ntu.edu.au (Bob Jenner)
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:24:13 +0900
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Distribution: world
Organization: NTU

In article <1e9g80INNmv7@pith.uoregon.edu>, jqj@duff.uoregon.edu (JQ
Johnson) wrote:
> 
> I've been giving some thought to our existing educational MacTCP site
> license.  I don't have any principled reason to object to Apple raising
> the price of MacTCP somewhat, but I've concluded that we would probably
> not license it at the new price, at least initially.  My current plan (my
> educational site has about 2000 networked Macs) is to stick with our
> existing MacTCP 1.x license, which by my reading of our contract will be
> renewed perpetually as long as we are not in breach of the contract.
> 
> Interestingly, our contract refers to a license for "MacTCP" with no
> limitation on version specified, and explicitly includes "all updates and
> improvements."  I could believe that a new version might be argued by
> Apple to be more than just an "update".
>
 
The license also states in clause 3 "...this license will be aoutomatically
renewed each year..."
Can we get some legal eagles to look at the license and tell us where we
stand?

> JQ Johnson				Office: 250E Computing Center
> Director of Network Services		Internet: jqj@ns.uoregon.edu
> Computing Center, Univ. of Oregon	voice:	(503) 346-1746
> Eugene, OR  97403-1212			fax: (503) 346-4397


Cheers
Bob Jenner
Northern Territory University
Darwin, Australia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: aml@world.std.com (Andrew M Langmead)
Subject: Re: APPLE UNBUNDLES RETURN KEY
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:45:02 GMT

rolfe@ldp.com (Rolfe Tessem) writes:
>One data point: IBM's TCP/IP for OS/2 includes a multitude of telnet,ftp and  
>mail clients, all the servers, daemons (telnetd, ftpd, routed, fingerd,  
>named, sendmail, etc.), a newsreader, plus voluminous documentation -- all  
>for around $200.

>If Apple wanted to provide a similar suite, I wouldn't object to paying a  
>similar amount.  But for just the MacTCP stack itself -- forget it!

On the other hand, PC/TCP for DOS, by FTP Software costs $400 and includes
FTP and TFTP client and servers, Telnet clients, Berkely r-command clients,
tar and remote tape commands, mail (clients and SMTP server) and news
utilities, Kerberos, PCNFS client, etc. (in general it seems they have more
client utilities than the OS/2 package, but less servers (which make little
sense under a single tasking environment.))  They also sell the TCP driver
alone as the PC/TCP kernel for $200. Depending on where you go, $200 can 
get you a lot, or a little. Also in DOS, Beame and Whiteside make a TCP
package with fewer utilities (in total, they have some interesting things that
don't exist in PC/TCP), a compatible API, and a cheaper price than
PC/TCP. Perhaps someone in the Mac network market can do the same.)

>-- 
>Rolfe Tessem				Lucky Duck Productions
>rolfe@ldp.com				New York City
>(212) 463-0029				(212) 463-7049 fax
-- 
|Andrew Langmead - A frustrated Mac programmer stuck in an MS-DOS job         |
|Usenet=aml@world.std.com      |S. O'Conner "We Live in a dangerous Age       |
|bix=a.langmead CI$=72411,1560 | To say how you feel is to lay your own grave"|
From: wilhelm@infoserv.com (John MacWilliamson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: GV PowerPort Gold & SLIP: poor performance!
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 14:53:41 PST
Reply-To: >>
Distribution: us
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <19921122224320CSP1DWD@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> (comp.sys.mac.comm), CSP1DWD@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSP1DWD) writes:
>In article <0106200F.jaghm9@wilhelm.infoserv.com>,
>wilhelm@infoserv.com (John MacWilliamson) writes:
>
>>      I have found that with the following modem initialization string,
>>that I get the same performance out of my PowerPort Gold as I get
>>out of USR Sportster 14,400;  1600 CPS transfers.
>>
>>AT&F\N7\Q3\J0
>
>Humm? I'll give it a try tomorrow when I get ahold again of the test
>PB-170 I was playing with... in contrast the Versaterm Slip utility
>drives the GV PowerPort modems with the following settings,
>
>        AT \J0 %C1 \N4 \G0 \Q3
>
>what's the \N7 setting?
>
>-- Denis 


     The \N7 setting is for auto-reliable v.42bis connection, which
means that it will step down from there if it does not achieve v.42bis.
I believe (I don't have the reference card in front of me at the moment)
that the \N4 calls for a certain kind of connection, and if it does
not get it, it drops carrier. 

John MacW
wilhelm@infoserv.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: men@bjerknes.colorado.edu (Matthew Newman)
Subject: Why Exodus is vastly inferior to MacX 
Organization: NOAA Climate Research Division
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:06:23 GMT

I have seen a few postings concerning Exodus, and I'm really baffled
as to why anyone would prefer it to MacX (at least, at this time).
True, its interface is easier to use, but it is far, FAR slower
than MacX.  I have both available to use on my Mac IIci, and with
the same setup for each I find Exodus to be very frustrating to use.
When I try to drag windows with the mouse cursor, or resize them,
or select an option in a menu, I have to wait for Exodus to catch up
with the cursor.  (This is with the latest 4.0.4 version, by the way.)
This does not happen with MacX.

Matt Newman
men@noaacrd.colorado.edu
From: hp48sx@wupost.wustl.edu (HP48SX Archive Maintainer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees & Eudora
Date: 17 Nov 1992 12:22:41 -0600
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: wuarchive.wustl.edu

Witrhh all the loss of Goodwill, and gaining of Badwill somebody ought
to contact Apple's accountants to see if they have got that right in
their finacial statement. If they do it the way it should be done, then
they loose money on things like this,, andthe charge of system 7.1
-- 
Povl H. Pedersen             hp48sx@wuarchive.wustl.edu
HP48sx archive maintainer

All Opinions (C) Copyright the Intergalactic Thought Association
From: time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Terminal Programs (give it a rest bill)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:45:40 EST
Organization: ICE Engineering, Inc.
Reply-To: time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2


Once is more than enough Bill! Give it a rest.
If you want to email these people, fine, but get out of my face!

In article <6337.2b07885c@hayes.com> (comp.sys.mac.comm), bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:
> Yup. Smartcom II for the Mactintosh. You can't beat the scrolling performance.
> You can find Smartcom II at your local Hayes Dealer, or for about $85 from
> larger mail order houses, such as MacConnection. 
> 
> Check it out!


tim endres - time@ice.com

Register your company in the Internet Business Pages!
 ...send email to "ibp-info@msen.com" for details...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.)
Subject: Re: Terminal Programs
Reply-To: aland@cs.brandeis.edu
Organization: As little as possible
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:42:16 GMT

jf43+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joseph Fried) writes:

>Ever since I got my 14.4 modem I find that the terminal program I'm
>using (White Knight) can't keep up with the modem.  Specifically, when
>listing a long text file, the modem stops recieving long before WK stops
>printing on the screen.  This causes problems, since it seems that the
>buffer is too small to hold all the data and some is lost.

I don't know exactly what you can do about it; Zterm (shareware) and
Smartcom are the two I've seen used (I use Smartcom myself) and I'm
told that MicroPhone (4 & later) will 'easily' handle such speeds,
although I haven't done much with it myself...  (I got it to have it,
sorta...)

>Anyone know of a terminal program which outputs to the screen quickly?
>(PC style?)

Smartcom has the quickest display routines I've seen in a terminal
program; with a fast (>>2400 baud) modem & system, MicroPhone came
close.  But I still prefer Smartcom.

	-=Alan
From: kayc@leland.Stanford.EDU (K C Ku)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Installing ARA
Date: 17 Nov 1992 07:36:29 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: elaine13.stanford.edu

I am trying to install ARA on a PB170. The installer from the ARA disk
runs great and seems to install everything just nice. When I click on
the remote access icon as stated in the manual, a message that says
that ARA was not installed correctly. I reinstalled my system 7.0.1 as
well as reinstalling the ARA to no result.

Does somebody has a similiar experience, or can someone suggest some
things I can try to get ARA installed on my PB170.

Thanks.

KC

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner)
Subject: Re: APPLE UNBUNDLES RETURN KEY
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:50:01 GMT

In article <4ss1n1g@rpi.edu>, gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
wrote:
> operating systems (system 7.1) require that people get MacTCP upgrades (as  
> did system 7.0), the whole question of mixed-up versions may get very messy  
> indeed.

Apple has released four versions of MacTCP; 1.0, 1.0.1, (I won't count
1.0.2), 1.1, and 1.1.1.  With the exception of support for sending ICMP
messages, the API has not changed a bit.  So, I don't think the different
versions are a problem from the application programmer's point of view. 
Now, those poor sufferers writing LAP's indeed have a problem.

--
Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.
Why does Apple want to eliminate cheap MacTCP applications?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: jeremym@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Jeremy Maris)
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:10:00 GMT


Earl D. Fife <fife@calvin.edu> writes:
> I just ordered a single copy of MacTCP from APDA for $25.  Perhaps the
> rumors about the other prices are as exagerated as this.

Strange - I phoned them on Monday and asked how much it would cost to
buy and ship MacTCP to me in the UK and they said $128 !

Jeremy Maris

-- 
Jeremy Maris,Experimental Psychology,University of Sussex,Brighton,England.
Janet: jeremym@uk.ac.sussex.syma  Nsfnet: jeremym@syma.sussex.ac.uk 
Bitnet: jeremym%sussex.syma@ukacrl.bitnet   UUCP: ...ukc!syma!jeremym 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: CSP1DWD@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSP1DWD)
Subject: Re: SLIP - Which product is best (and more info)
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:53:50 PST

In article <1eodkvINNai4@im4u.cs.utexas.edu>,
jason@cs.utexas.edu (Jason Martin Levitt) writes:

>In article <BxsHvr.3xC@ansoft.com>, gotow@ansoft.com (Jon Gotow) writes:
>> Re: SLIP - Which product is best.
>
>   In a nutshell, VersaTilities and MacSLIP performance is pretty much
>the same. With V.32 & V.42bis, an MTU of 1500, CSLIP, and
>the DTE latched at 38400, I saw about
>3Kbytes/sec for FTP transfers of text files (most compression) down to
>.9Kbytes/sec for compressed tar files (least compression). That's with
>a 4Mbyte Powerbook 170, the Powerbook Tuner, and a Telebit QBlazer modem.
>Without the Tuner, the
>Powerbook locks up eventually. I don't know where Apple keeps the latest
>Tuner, but you can anonymous FTP the one I used as
>/published/open-systems-today/tuner.sit.hqx  from ftp.uu.net.

That 3Kb/sec looks a bit high, your text files must have been awfully
compressible... the binary file transfer are a tad low, you should
see figures under 1.1Kb/sec with the excellent Qblazer modem... as
a side note, you can only latch DTE speed at 38400-baud more or less
successfully on PB-170 (25Mhz) kind of machine, for the lowly but
very convenient PB-100 you can only do DTE speeds up to 19200-baud.
Internal modems such as the Global Village PowerPort V.32bis modems
are apparently not very good at supporting high performance, that's
what I and others have observed... someone just posted sample settings
that supposedly improve performance, I'll run my experiments anew.

-- Denis 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: martinher@urvax.urich.edu
Subject: Re: Marketeers (was MacTCP license fees & Eudora)
Reply-To: martinher@urvax.urich.edu
Organization: University of Richmond
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:35:47 GMT

I am having a devil of a time with the Hosts file or at least with
the Host names being usable.  I have spoken to several vendor reps
about the 'format' of the file and followed ALL of the suggetions
in the example file. 

Sometimes it is recognized and sometimes it isn't.  I make a practice 
of deleting the MACTCP-DNR file whenever I try a new test - just
to be sure.  I have some machines that work correctly, some that do
NOT, and some that did NOT and mysteriously started working.  The
symptom is that Hosts that are DEFINITLY in the file (LIKE MOST OR
ALL of them) are not recognized.

Format:

host. A 128.128.128.1    ; A commnet for the host 'host' number 128.128.128.1

This is what I am now using and it does seem best but not reliable.
The '.' after the name is probably needed if you do not want a DOMAIN
name to be automatically suffixed.  Spaces or tabs between parts seem
to make no difference, neither does number of them(1-many).  The 'A'
means it is a regular host entry (not a DNS or whatever).  I also
use the 'alias' type entry for a true CANONICAL name (CNAME).
 
mymachine. CNAME host ; alias 'mymachine' for host with canonical name 'host'.
 
Anybody experiencing similar problems?  It is so flaky (going and coming) 
that I am beginning to doubt my results.
 
AOS 7.01 and 7.1, TCP/IP 1.1 and 1.1.1  

**************************************************************
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From: wilhelm@infoserv.com (John MacWilliamson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: GV PowerPort Gold & SLIP: poor performance!
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 13:57:10 PST
Reply-To: >>
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <19921122031833CSP1DWD@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> (comp.sys.mac.comm), CSP1DWD@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSP1DWD) writes:
>Other have pointed this already, I think, but cslip performance on
>an internal PowerPort Gold moden on a PB-170 is terrible, ftp transfer
>rates of 800 chars/sec on already compressed data... the same
>configuration when used with an external v.32bis modem hits rates
>approaching 1660 chars/sec... kind of hard to believe that minia-
>turization of the modem emaciated its performance so terribly!


      I have found that with the following modem initialization string,
that I get the same performance out of my PowerPort Gold as I get
out of USR Sportster 14,400;  1600 CPS transfers.
 
AT&F\N7\Q3\J0


John MacW
wilhelm@infoserv.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.system
From: jeffc@comb1.comb.umd.edu (Jeff Clowser; IRG)
Subject: Re: Startup floppies for System 7.1... help!
Summary: 7.1 on a floppy leaves no room for anything else!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Maryland, Center of Marine Biotechnology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:39:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.111650.29308@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore) writes...
>In an effort to help eradicate an outbreak of vNir and other viruses on my
>campus, I'm trying to create a
>startup floppy that I can put Disinfectant 2.9 onto. I'm using System 7.1
>because that's what I'm running, and I know System 7 will work on all of
>the computers I'm making this for. (some LC IIs, a Classic II, etc.)
> 
>However, the "Min system for all Macs" that the installer makes takes up
>1350, leaving 40-odd K to put other stuff on. To make matters worse,
>Disinfectant is 333K... obviously something has to give.
>Does anybody know what I can remove from the System file? Or do I have to
>bite the bullet and dig out my old 7.0.1 floppies...
> 
>Thanks!
> 
>Jay (=
>(btw, email responses to johnel@audrey.linfield.edu would be appreciated,
>as get to me faster than to the address in the header...)

You can always just distribute the Disinfectant init on the floppy containing
the min system folder - it's about 6k.  If they start up with it installed
on that, they're protected.  The application can be distributed on another
floppy, in case they want to scan.  (Not real convenient with only one drive,
but that can't be helped...)  If they have a hard drive, just give them the
App, and have them install the init with that.

===============================================================================
Jeff Clowser		    			     "A keyboard... how quaint"
JeffC@comb1.comb.umd.edu
Network Administrator, Macintosh Technical Support
Information Resources Group, Maryland Biotechnology Institute
University of Maryland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov (Chris Spiral Catfish Tate)
Subject: Re: best way to pause in app ?
Reply-To: fixer@faxcsl.dcrt.nih.gov
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, DCRT, NIH
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:53:48 GMT

In article <brownlow.722219238@stmartin>, brownlow@informix.com (Keith Brownlow) writes:
>Is there a toolbox command to make the application wait x number of seconds
>before continuing processing ?  I've tried looping for 1000's of seconds but
>without doing anything in the loop, it's more or less instantly coming back.

Several things you can use (code given in C):

1)  You could use Delay(60L * num_of_seconds, &dummy_long);

    This is okay, except that it pretty much freezes the machine until the
    delay is over, i.e. no background processing.

2)  You could call WaitNextEvent(0, &dummy_event, 60L * num_of_seconds, 0L);

    This would give time to other processes, but would not necessarily give
    them the full time you specify.  If you're the only process running, for
    example, you would return immediately.

3)  Combination approach:

    long timeNow;

    timeNow = TickCount();
    while (TickCount() - timeNow < 60L * num_of_seconds)
    {
        (void) WaitNextEvent(0, &dummyEvent, 0L, 0L);
    }

    This repeatedly gives time to other processes until the specified amount
    of time has elapsed, at which point you drop out of the while loop.

Calling Delay() for long periods of time (i.e. seconds) is pretty anti-
social to other processes; I'd probably use approach 3) if I were going to
be pausing for more than about a second.  The one caveat is that you *might*
not get control back for a much longer time, if another process is trying to
hog the machine by not calling WaitNextEvent().

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                             |     * Last Scene in September (Preston Reed)
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