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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: How Oregon Forestry is working with ORV Clubs
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 07:12:31 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

> From: garyb@pdx015 (Gary Brown)
> Subject: How Oregon Forestry is working with ORV Clubs
> 
> This is kind of long but may be useful for those in other states who are
> trying to get a better working relationship with their state forestry
> departments to keep the trails open.  
> 
	[...details of what sane officials do deleted...]

	Good stuff!

	Isn't it refreshing to see forestry people with the right
	attitude! Just be careful that they don't just react to the
	interest group with the loadest voice...Too many times I've seen
	them come to a decision that will simply get the greenies (or "the
	great unwashed" as they are known here) off their backs.

	We have found working with local charities and schools gets
	results. Donating any money left over from events, getting them
	involved in events, helping raise their profile etc. etc. They end
	up supporting you and your cause because of it. Now what makes
	government people listen is other government bodies lobbying for
	you.

	Hope all goes well.

	Cheers
	George Couyant
From: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM (Al Conte)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Unsprung weight?
Date: 31 Aug 1992 18:07:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: flyboy.ebay.sun.com
Keywords: Less is more !!!


With less unsprung weight, ( the mass below the spring support) you have the suspension's
abilities to react much quicker to the terrain.
Less twitching, kick up, all things considered equal.
the bike will respond better with less unsprung weight too.



Al



Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter)
Subject: Re: preferred support vehicles
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:24:14 GMT

It all depends on the requirements that you have.  My truck is my primary 
transportation, so I bought a  2WD,long-bed, Ford Ranger with a V-6 (2.9L).
It works great for me, but I still want a enclosed trailer.  They can be used
as a instant tent, safe storage of your bikes while eating dinner and staying
at a motel, and are easy to un/load.  My next truck will be 4WD.  I hate 
getting stuck.  Just list the pros and cons each vehicle/trailer and pick the 
one that meets the most of what you want out of it.   
_____________________________________________________________________________
DoD #359         '91  CR250            |         Mike Baxter   
AMA #607249                            |              
TCCRA  #061    250cc int. class        |      baxter@spdc.ti.com
Texas Cross-Country racing series      |   
50 miles of off-road Hell              |   Texas Instruments, Dallas Tx.
_______________________________________|_____________________________________

From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 14:56:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Wrist/Elbow/Knee Protectors
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

In rec.motorcycles.dirt, frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com writes:

>   I guess the moral is not to extend you arms to break a fall.

That's right.  What you want to do is tuck and roll.  When it's inevitable
that you're going to crash, keep your limbs in.  It's much better to spread
the impact over the larger portions of your body.  

In my mispent youth, I explored the handling limitations of an SL350.  A 
35mph high-side on a rocky trail launched me head-first.  Having a peculiar 
aversion to landing on my face, I had enough time to roll in the air and 
land on my shoulder.  Because I was wearing a heavy jacket, I escaped 
without a scratch.  OK, no surface scratches.  A large rock embedded in the 
road gave me a pop on the shoulder blade and separated the shoulder.   I 
praised the day when they finally came out with protectors that covered the 
back as well as the chest.  

For good shock adsorption, you might want to look at the Flak Jaks (by
Hallman I think).  The shoulder pads are suspended by a nylon mesh.  In
addition to allowing good airflow, this really spreads the impacts.  If you
do any trail riding, the tall shoulders make it a bitch to wear a backpack.
Instead, I tie a cheapo pack into the backplate.  I use it to carry
raingear and other light weight stuff that takes up a lot of room in the
fanny pack. 

Ride fast, crash softly. 

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
From: mcclend@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Mike McClendon)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:58:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Project XR600
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

Did you do anything to the ignition, like Roost Boost?

This must have cost a fortune; what were the most cost-effective mods that
would be well worth our hard-earned $'s?

-- Mike
From: pams@triton.unm.edu (Roost)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Begining dirt riding
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:33:13 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <la53nrINNlhp@male.EBay.Sun.COM> sarahb@fanfare.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>Here's something that I still need to learn.
>
>Unless your already down on the ground, Don't put your feet down.
>Or on the other hand, put your feet down if you want to go down.
>
>Sarah

Very good advice!. . . The only thing that I would add is this. .  .
Sometimes on gnarly, rutted, skinny, slick etc. etc. downhills (or even
some uphills) the urge and sometimes need to put a foot down is hard
to overcome.  The secret is to not ever put BOTH of your feet down ...  I try
to just put my left foot down so that I still have rear braking with the 
right foot.  It works for me. . . your milage may vary...    >|)

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)
Subject: Re: Beginning Dirt Riding -- towing
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:23:51 GMT

 ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>	A '90 Plymouth Laser, sort of like a Mitsubishi Eclipse..  The owner's
>manual has some kind of warning about not towing anything...  I assume it's
>got to do with the frame geometry or something ?

    Usually it's a weight restriction.  If you can keep gear and
    trailer weight down, close to limits on the door sticker, you're
    OK.  However, if you've got a turbo or supercharger, no way.  I
    believe you will overwork & fry them if you tow excess weight, and
    they ain't cheap to fix.  You might ask a dealer mechanic, and a
    trailer shop to see if they stock hitches for it.

    I have a 4 cyl. Olds Calais, and tow a lot of stuff I really
    shouldn't, but only on short trips.  1 bike, my light trailer, gear
    and I'm OK even for my trip to Texas I hope :-).  Braking is fair,
    and I simply accelerate reasonably gently.  I had the auto trans
    serviced at ~50K miles, and no problems so far.


     jed --  YZ490 / XL125 / WaveRunner 500 / more in the works / AMA
--
           Jim Dunne 	dunne@rtsg.mot.com    ...uunet!motcid!dunne
 All statements are merely opinions, yet are corroborated by a .357 magnum.
From: cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: beginner's luck
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:11:40 GMT
Reply-To: cj@sgi.com (C J Silverio)
Organization: SGI TechPubs


In article <1992Aug25.154852.7008@athena.mit.edu>, rpearl@athena.mit.edu writes:
|Okay, I've finally enrolled inaOD motorcycle safelty  course and
|I'm going to learn how to ride that crazy thing. I'm pretty 
|psyched about it and I have a lot of support from a few
|biker friends of mine. I just thought I'd put it out to the group -
|What would be a good bike for an average sized 34 year old woman to start out
|on? I'm coming from ground zero information so any help I could get
|would be greatly appreciated.

Let me second this call for newbie info!

I'm another woman new to the sport.  I've just called
1-800-CC-RIDER, and my safety course registration info
is on the way.  I figure the course is a good way to 
decide if motorcycle riding is for me.  But what would
the next step be?  What kind of bikes should I be looking
at?

Maybe I'm nuts, but I decided to stop saying "I've always
wanted to [foo]", and to start DOING foo.  My SO says I
don't seem to be insane or in the grips of a VERY early
mid-life crisis, so I'm going to forge ahead!

					thanks, cj
---
cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com      C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720
"The absence of any corrective action year after year can only be explained 
by bureaucratic rigidities and the abject worship of that bitch-goddess, 
cost reduction."  --Ralph Nader, in Unsafe at Any Speed
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: beginner's luck
Date: 2 Sep 92 10:07:13 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <txd.715446825@Able.MKT.3Com.Com>, txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
> Ayep, but Laurie, please limit teaching the "special" passenger
> technique that you demonstrated with Bob after Jim & Diana's dinner to
> only the most gifted students! I don't think that even Beth would go
> for the back to back technique... ;{>

i wouldn't have done this if i had not seen bicycle race cameramen
do it.  its very weird....

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:16:15 -0400 
From: "Peter A. Simon" <ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: beginner's luck
	<1992Aug27.191728.19107@i88.isc.com>
Distribution: usa

Jonothan Quist writes:

[good stuff about MSF deleted]

>>Anyway, smart ass, how do you teach somebody how not to drop a bike when
>>what happens is:  They pull up in front of where you're calmly sitting,
>>real proud of your student for such a smooth stop, say hi to you, and
>>just let the fucking thing topple over on its side (while gracefully
>>jumping free, fortunately)?  I mean, just what would *you* have done,
>>said or shown ahead of time that could have prevented this?
> 
>I'd say "don't do that"!  :')  I guess before that, though, I'd teach her
>to put her feet down when she stops.  If she's accustomed to riding behind
>you, she's had lots of practice stopping with her feet on the pegs.
>Perhaps this "reflex" kicked in?

Her feet *were* down, dammit, that's what I can't figure out.

-peter

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From: vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Von Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Road Sign
Keywords: oil roads sign
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:43:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bu2K4t.I5M
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois

In article <sysop.170@elan.glassboro.edu>, sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor)) writes:
|> Saw a sign last month that attracted my attention:
|> 
|> 	Freshly Oiled Road
|> 
|> This is in southern New Jersey farm area, and I have no idea what the 
|> purpose of oiling a road is.  I did get to practice a quick U-turn, though.
|> 

 I was taking a trip last weekend and was riding on Illinois 130 which
between Oakland and Paris (yes both are also towns in Illinois) is torn up
and grooved length-wise. And then since they decided that wasn't
bad enough I get to paris, and just outside town a big yellow sign: FRESH OIL.
Had no choice but to face it. Only was about a two mile stretch, did the
whole thing at about 20 mph. But it was sooo nice getting back onto firm road!


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|> %          sysop@elan.glassboro.edu       82 CB750K           %
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-- 
Von Welch
vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu
- I speak only for myself and those who think exactly like me -
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 1992 17:43:22 -0400 
From: "Peter A. Simon" <ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Speaking of triple A....

>Just curious...if you are a AAA member and your
>bike dies, will they provide tow service? I mean
>will they bring a tow truck out (the flatbed type)
>and pick up your bike?  How about dead batteries?
>Will they come and jump start your bike for you?
>Strange question but I'm wondering if anyone
>has had any experience with this since I've never
>heard of a similiar service for motorcycles....
>and heaven forbid, will they come out if you
>lock your keys in your bike? ;-) ....


AAA does not provide road service for motorcycles.  Period.  There is
one outfit that does.  I am trying to locate them.  It *might* be Amoco.

-peter

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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Regional Differences in manners (was Re: Lane Splitting)
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:56:59 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


In article <17g56cINN5r@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com 
(Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>In article 92Aug26084434@fluent.UUCP, bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>>
>>My feeling is that when riders do things that piss off drivers, even 
>>if they are safe things, then it reduces the overall safety of riders.
>
>Probably true, but I think it is largely a regional thing.  Sure, there
>are assholes everywhere, but *in general* those cagers that bother to
>percieve me, if they do anything at all, actually move slightly to the
>other side of the lane.  If they sit in that mess every day, they see
>motorcycles splitting every day, and it becomes normal and expected.

What, cages actually perceiving bikes?  You're right, there are regional
differences!

>What's considered "fair" is also regional.  One thing that absolutely
>amazed me upon moving to the South is how "nice" I'm supposed to be on
>the road.  For example, when two freeway lanes merge into one, the most
>rational, efficient mode of traffic flow is for both lanes to remain
>full down to the choke point, then alternate cages from the closed lane
>into the open one.  I was driving through a construction area where a
>sign said, "Right lane closed 2 miles ahead."  I was cruising down an
>*empty* right lane for 2 miles!!!  And people in the left lane actually
>got *pissed* about it!  Seems idiotic to me, but that's just what's
>"normal and expected" in this area.

Good point.  Around here (middle of New Hampshire North/South, and right
on the border of Vermont) there are only a couple of places where people
fight for right of way.

Most of the time folks are really polite (pedestrians have right of way 
in crosswalks and cars _routinely_ stop to let a pedestrian cross the 
road!) and the general assumption is that if someone's in a real hurry
then they must have just moved up here from Boston or New York.

Anyone else have "rider tips" for people visiting their areas?

-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner)
Subject: Re: *FLAME*  Stay away from Competition Accessories!!!
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:02:34 GMT

I must second the story. The boneheads don't tell you if something is not
available and will be backordered. (gee I'd just get it someplace else) I
had a similar experience with ordering boots from them.

Stef
	     DoD#0190		              spgo@is.morgan.com
	'82 KZ550 (Commuter)		'84 750 Interceptor (Canyon Carver)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: NY Rte 17 sucks
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 16:55:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na

In article <LOTTO.92Sep2092159@laura.harvard.edu> lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
>>>>>> On 2 Sep 92 01:55:08 GMT, ice@socrates.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman) said:
>Fred> If you want to avoid interstates, you could take I20, which runs
>Fred> parallell with I90 thru MA.  I don't know if it's any good tho, and I
>Fred> would suspect it isn't.
>
>Suspect no more, 20 is a HOOT!  Rolling hills, straight as an arrow
>until you get to the Finger Lakes, great scenery, antique shops and a
>Bike Shop in the middle of the Leatherstocking region.  I avoid
>interstates like the plague.  Explore with abandon or you'll miss one
>of the best reasons for riding a motorcycle!

You're right on!  US20 through NY is a great road.  Last time I took it
was from Rochester NY to Boston:  I was amazed at how little traffic there
was.  Thank God for Thruways!

One of my ambitions is to ride US20 clear across the country.  It's
one of the few non-interstate highways that goes all the way across,
from Boston to Newport, OR.  I've done bits and pieces of this route,
and the only part that isn't so hot is that around Chicago.

Anybody ever done the whole trip?

--Tim (tssmith@netcom.com)


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: thoughts on GS oil
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 01:16:39 GMT

In article <jcn.715454535@helix> jcn@rice.edu (Jeff C. Nichols) writes:
>I have been using Golden Spectro 10W-40 oil in my Suzuki the past couple 
>of changes and have been happy with it.
>
>The most recent oil change, however, left me with only two quarts of the 
>stuff.  I called around and finally found a place that had BMW oil made 
>by Spectro Oils (the same people who bring you Golden Spectro).  Well, 
>I found a quart of 10W-50 with the label "SG 10W-50 GS", i.e. Golden 
>Spectro I believe.  Well, turns out that this quart was only $2.20.  This 
>price is less than half what Golden Spectro costs, even if ordered 
>mail-order!  
>
>My question is, is the the same Golden Spectro or is it a different 
>formulation specifically for BMW bikes (which I find hard to believe).
>
>Any thoughts?  If it is GS, then I'm going to start using BMW oil.
>

When I got my PD, the dealer told me that the BMW oil was repackaged
Golden Spectro.

"Any thoughts,"  well shucks, is it _legal_ to use BMW oil in a
Suzuki?  I mean, really.
                                         ;-)
Ride well lubricated,

Bill 
________________________________________________________________
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From: cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Modification for FJ forks
Keywords: FJ, fork springs, R65
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:51:18 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: NCR Systems Support Center - New Jersey

In article <1992Aug30.155452.115@serval.net.wsu.edu> johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns) writes:
>I _like_ my FJ, (text deleted) . . .  I'd like a stiffer fork.

>(References to a firm front end are mechanical, not sexual!)        

My wife says my fork is stiff enough.
(References to a stiff fork are sexual, not mechanical)

>Ride Firm,
(References to a firm ride are sexual, not mechanical)

EDUARDO (DoD#0521)
Nothing is as over rated as a bad f**k or as        | '86 Shadow 700 (hers)
under rated as a good sh*t" -Laszlo Nemeth, DoD #666| '86 Aspencade (ours)

P.S. Laszlo never said no asterisks!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Subject: Re: (Was) riding clothes choices (Summary wanted)
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:21:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.215050.9701@tamsun.tamu.edu> peram@cs.tamu.edu (Suresh B Peram) writes:
>In article <2.2AA39EFD@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:
>>Tuesday September 01 1992 03:52, Laura Randall wrote to All:

>> LR> One soon to be skinless squid wearing a full face helmet, t-shirt,
>> LR> shorts, and shower thongs.
>> LR> Isn't the mandatory helmet law working great?

>>The only difference from before is they wear the helmet. So now the sight
>>of a 130+ mph machine being ridden by a naked squid is all the more
>>ridiculous.

>        What is the consensus on what to wear

>        1> In-city riding

Helmet, full leathers, boots (mine are steel toe), heavy gloves, full
face helmet, back protector.

>        2> Long-distance riding

Helmet, full leathers, boots (mine are steel toe), heavy gloves, full
face helmet, back protector.

>        3> Short and fast riding trips in no-man's land

Helmet, full leathers, boots (mine are steel toe), heavy gloves, full
face helmet, back protector.

Get the idea?  BTW, I'm not paranoid, they really _ARE_ out to get me!

--
"But the fact that a 1938 touring bodied Alfa Romeo I once had is
worth $1 million sometimes bothers the hell out of me.  It's a
personal problem."                                     -Phil Hill
Iaido   Takamine   Hobie   Rossignol   Alfa Romeo  Ducati (DOD #900)