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From: csieng@wimsey.bc.ca (Symbolic Sciences Engineering)
Subject: Need Mac to PC Adobe font converter
Organization: Wimsey 
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:06:34 GMT

I notice that there is a program which converts Mac TrueType into 
Windows compatible TrueType (i.e. ttconvert).

Can anyone direct me to a program which would do the same thing for 
Adobe fonts?

Thanks

Richard M.
From: ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: font encoding morass
Date: 23 Aug 92 10:41:26 GMT
Organization: U of Saarbruecken, Dept. of Computational Linguistics

ath@linkoping.trab.se (Anders Thulin) writes:

>In article <26760@life.ai.mit.edu> bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn) writes:
>>
>>THE FONT ENCODING MESS:
>>=======================

>Agree with most of the things said, but ...

>>Finally:  Let's hope that UNICODE with its 16-bit characters will help
>>resolve some of these problems.  Although, UNICODE is dead in the
>>water if it does not provide access to ligatures.  For there can be
>>no fine typesetting without ligatures.
>>
>>FLAME OFF

>... I don't know about this. It seems ironical, but perhaps not.
>Should there be a :-) attached? or is it just rabid flaming?

>As far as I understand, Unicode and other character codes are intended
>for information interchange, not for driving typesetting equipment.

What is typesetting if not information exchange? If there was no ASCII-at-
least-half-a-standard there would be no typesetting. I could not take my
documents and carry them to the imagesetter's studio and run it through
his Scantext-machine. No way.
Other tries at standardization DEPEND on ASCII for example SGML. Thus they
- and every other application that transgresses platforms, such as type-
setting - will in the future also depend on Unicode, should it become standard.

BTW, one thing I have always wondered: Why stop at 16 bit encoding and leave
out half the Asian World? At least that would cut down on the HELP, THAI FONT
NEEDED-posts :-)


     Ulrich Mayring
     volksdesign.

       - Also wir waren mit grau eigentlich sehr zufrieden -     
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton)
Subject: Re: font encoding morass
Organization: Trilithon Software
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:05:48 GMT

In article <26760@life.ai.mit.edu> bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P.  
Horn) writes:
    *  
    *  THE FONT ENCODING MESS:
    *  =======================

Much applause is due to Berthold for enumerating the encoding
issues clearly.

One glimmer of hope is PostScript Level Two ``glyphshow'',
which renders glyphs by name, bypassing encoding issues.

But seriously, we could use a forum to discuss and attempt to
resolve some of these encoding problems -- they are a large pain
in the neck.

	........  Henry
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: fcr@ll.mit.edu (Frank Robey)
Subject: Re: SWFTE Typecase
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:04:41 GMT

In article <oneil.713599413@cwis> oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil) writes:
 
Discussion of Typecase deleted.
>
>Does your version allow you to put your font families into "cases."  This
>allows you to activate and deactive (and compress and uncompress) sets of
>fonts.  (For example, you might like certain fonts, but only use them for
>limited purposes and thus not want to have them hogging up memory.  Thus
>you could put that set in a case and deactivate it until you want to use
>it.
>

Actually, I did not know it, but it does have this feature.  I was just
using it for the fonts.  I got version 1.17 from Electronic Boutique in
Nashua NH. 5 weeks ago for $29.99.  

I like the fonts, and I have not noticed problems with the sub or super-
script sizes of the fonts, but I don't use it for technical writing.

I do my technical writing with LaTeX, and the PK/Postscript fonts look
pretty good.  I still can't get the hang of the GUI interfaces for
technical writing.  I can put things together a lot quicker in LaTeX.

Frank Robey
fcr@ll.mit.edu
From: gilligan@bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan Gilligan 303-497-3861)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: SWFTE Typecase
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:58:30 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <oneil.713599413@cwis> oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil) writes:
>For most purposes, one would want to use a 12 point type anyway.  In my
>opinion, even 10 is a bit small for most purposes because it is somewhat
>difficult to read.

But if your principle text is set in 12 point, then super and
subscripts will be set at a smaller size (typically 9 pt or so), as
will footnotes. Super and subscripts in footnotes will be set at a
smaller size (about 6 pt). Since I do a lot of technical typesetting
(lots of equations), a document set with 12 pt type for the principal
face will contain lots of 9 pt and 6 pt type, so it's necessary to
have good-looking type at far smaller sizes than I use for the main
text.

---Jon
-- 

Disclaimer --- The government probably disagrees with my opinions.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Todd J Sines)
Subject: wanted space 1999/futuristic fonts for mac, type1 or tt
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:59:03 GMT

needed: any fonts at all that resemble anything close to the space 199, 
battlestar galactica, starlog, etc/ or the art of noise FON remix album cover 
style fonts for the mac. if they already exist, what are their names? i heard 
that the art of noise cover font that i am looking for is called "future" but i
am not sure. please help!

sines
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    **384 E.17th/Columbus, OH 43201 tel614.299.9529---the rest of the world**
From: bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Why Windows 3.1 blocks out upper ASCII chars - Message2.
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:46:58 GMT
In-reply-to: desikacharyk@wl.aecl.ca's message of 21 Aug 92 16:49:44 GMT


In article <21AUG92.10494495@wl.aecl.ca> desikacharyk@wl.aecl.ca writes:

   ....
   Since the same chars are blocked whether I port Type 1 PS or 
   TrueType fonts, I am assuming that Windows is using the same Font 
   Encoding Vector in both cases. 

Right, the default is to use Windows ANSI encoding, both for T1 and TT fonts.

   So, in order to see all the chars in my font, I should
   be able to tell MS Windows to use Font's internal encoding vector instead
   of the Windows ANSI encoding vector. 

Yes, there is a two-way choice controlled by the `Family' and `CharSet'
fields in the PFM (Printer Font Metric) file.  You can either have Windows
use the fonts `native' or `raw' encoding, or have it reencoded to Windows ANSI.
Note, however, the the rule for making this decision is totally different
for ATM than it is for PostScript printer driver, so you can easily end up
in a inconsistent state, where you get one encoding on screen and a
different encoding when printing to a PS printer.

   I am not clear if editing PFB files as 
   suggested by Henry Churchyard will achieve this, because I cannot control 
   which encoding vector is used by Windows. Any thoughts if this is
   achievable are gretefully acknowledged.

Right, all editing of the encoding vector in the PFB file is ignored if the
font is in fact reencoded to Windows ANSI.  You must also modify the PFM file.
Also, you can't edit a PFB file directly without disturbing the embedded
binary section length codes.  You have to convert it to PFA form first, edit
it, then convert back to PFB form.

*** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** 

Naturally, an operating system and applications should support on-the-fly
reencoding.  Certainly Windows and ATM don't do this.  But at least there is
A WAY based on modification of the PFM file and reencoding of the PFB file.

Now, for the $64k question:  How on earth do you do this for TT fonts?  
Is it true that there NO WAY to reencode a TT font?  And hence one is always
stuck with Windows ANSI, and hence, for example, there is no way to get at
the ligatures `fi' and `fl', even if the font contains such glyphs?


Berthold K.P. Horn
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Hebrew ATM fonts.
From: gilf@vms.huji.ac.il (GIL FREUND)
Date: 17 Aug 1992 22:34 IDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    Lines: 9

Could anyone point me to a source for Hebrew ATM fonts. I use DESQview/X and
would like to use hebrew DOS applications in scalable DOS windows.
I do use the Hebrew support for Quattro Pro (which I believe uses ATM fonts)
but I don't know how to convert them for use under DESQview/X.

Any help will be appriciated.

Gil

Xref: sparky comp.fonts:2437 comp.periphs.printers:2437
From: duanem@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Duane W Moore)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.periphs.printers
Subject: Re: Fonts for HP Deskjet
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:13:25 GMT
Reply-To: duanem@tekig5.pen.tek.com
Followup-To: comp.fonts
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Aug21.021549.14817@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> cargibbs@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Rick Gibbs) writes:

>	A friend has Word Perfect 5.0 and a HP Desk Jet. When she tries to
>change the base font selection, the menu only offers different sizes of
>Courrier. I am not familiar with Desk Jet printers, but I thought surely
>there should be more resident type faces. If she were to re-install WP,
>would that give her a wider font selection?
>	Any help will be GREATLY appreciated.

The DeskJet 500 has a single size (12 point) Times Roman font resident,
as well as Courier and Letter Gothic.  Earlier models (DeskJet and DeskJet
Plus) do not have Times.  So, to get a wider selection of fonts, you need
a memory cartridge and soft fonts, or a font cartridges.

Another way to go is Power Pak from Atech, or More Fonts, which produce
graphics images that are sent to the printer.  These do not require memory
or font cartridges.

Good luck.  -- Duane
______________________________________________________________________________

            Duane Moore    T & M Service Engineering    78-649
           Tektronix, Inc.    PO Box 500    Beaverton, OR  97077
               (503) 627-6589     duanem@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM
_____________________________________________________________________________ 
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: gal2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Jacob Galley)
Subject: Design advice: Optima & Bookman?
Reply-To: gal2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:08:29 GMT


I am working on a new format for a campus newspaper. We have all-but-
committed ourselves to a masthead set in a very wide Optima Bold, and
now we're trying to find body text font and a headline font. The best
we could come up with was Bookman for both. However, Bookman headlines
look kind of weird. (I haven't experimented with Bold yet here.)

If anyone has any experience matching a serif font to Optima, I'd like
to hear from you. We are prohibited from using Palatino and New Century
Schoolbook because other sections in the paper use them -- and I'm just
sick of looking at Times everywhere, and am trying very hard to keep
away from it.

Bigger questions: I have looked at a lot of fonts and seem to have a
strong sensitivity to lettering, but I have no idea how to hone talent
besides by experimenting and following instincts. Can anyone recommend
books or other strategies (outside of classe$) for learning how and why
fonts clash / don't clash / compliment each other?

Thanks,
-- 
Reinheitsgebot <-- "Keep your laws off my beer!" <-- gal2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: K.U.Leuven - Academic Computing Center
Date: Thursday, 20 Aug 1992 22:24:30 +02
From: Paul Bijnens <FFAAC09@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be>
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject:    Truetype IPA?

A few months ago, someone advertised here, that he had a phonetic
font in truetype technology.  Unfortunately, I lost the e-mail
adress or ftp-site.  Can anybody give me a hint?
--
Paul Bijnens
Linguistics dept., K. University Leuven, Belgium
Polleke@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be
From: mekst3+@pitt.edu (Michael E Kurela)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Cyrillic Fonts
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:45:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


	I have shareware and/or freeware cyrillic fonts for Windows 3.0,
	Windows 3.1, Word Perfect 5.1.  If anyone is interested, I am not
	very proficient at this mail stuff, but I would be willing to get
	them to you via snail-mail for the small fee of postage and
	handling.  You can either send me a blank diskette and a few
	dollars for postage or the equivalent in stamps, or just send me
	enough to cover the cost of a high density disk and postage and
	I will be happy to send whatever I have to you.  I am not interested
	in making any sort of profit from this, but I have seen a few
	requests for them in the past and have finally found a bunch to
	pass along.

	M.E.K.
	P.O. Box 171
	Ambridge,  PA  15003-0171
	USA
From: clcp16@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("S.C.Russell")
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: WANTED: Simple, Tidy Font
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:29:46 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde


I'm looking for a clean, simple font for titling graphs.
Mono-spacing would be nice (means I don't have to do any
difficult justification calculations) and the font being
public domain would be even nicer.

I don't need any fancy characters (Standard ASCII would
be just fine) but I do need it in PC/ATM Adobe format.
Mac encoding I can handle, but it needs more work, as
I'll be using it mostly on an Amiga.

Hinting would be nice, as I'm likely to be using a large
variety of output resolutions.

So, if anyone knows of a clean, PD, mono-spaced, hinted
PostScript font, please tell me what it is and where I
can find it. Thanks.

	Stewart C. Russell
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Todd J Sines)
Subject: Re: Need OMNI magazine font
Keywords: OMNI
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:43:57 GMT

in addition to also wanting this font, i am interested in any fonts that have 
those particular late 60'-70's futuristic fonts (like what is used in 
Space:1999, Battlestar Galactica, etc, etc...)

please tell me either names of the fonts or the anonymous FTP sites, or both.

ps. i heard one font was called future, but i haved seen it yet. it was used on
the Art of Noise FON remix album in great pleasure

sines
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    **todd sines----email at: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu---digitally.**
    **384 E.17th/Columbus, OH 43201 tel614.299.9529---the rest of the world**
From: duanem@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Duane W Moore)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Changing Font Names in Windows
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:22:29 GMT
Reply-To: duanem@tekig5.pen.tek.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

Let me reiterate what we are looking for here.  Many of us think
of fonts in terms of the oringinal, copyrighted name, and would like to
have those names appear in our windows font selection menus.

We would like to know how to change the names from the "legal" names to
the names that they are mocking for ATM fonts and certainly True Type fonts.


On a related subject:
I received my ATM package along with Micrografx Designer, and the coverage
of ATM in the supplied manuals is LIGHT.  For instance, I remember that I
*used* to have something like ALIAS ... in ATM.INI, but I removed it for
some reason.  Now I can't find any information and I'd rather not reinstall
the package only to take a look.  Can anybody give me an explanation of ALIAS
and anything related?

Thanks for your help!
______________________________________________________________________________

            Duane Moore    T & M Service Engineering    78-649
           Tektronix, Inc.    PO Box 500    Beaverton, OR  97077
               (503) 627-6589     duanem@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM
_____________________________________________________________________________ 
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: desikacharyk@wl.aecl.ca
Subject: Why Windows 3.1 blocks out some of the upper ASCII codes?
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:52:10 GMT

Hello Font/Windows Experts,

	I have a Font with all the upper ascii slots (codes from 128-255)
populated. It is a custom designed font that exists in Type 1 and Type 3
PS Formats and also in the TrueType Format on Mac. It works fine on
Mac. I can display and print the whole font on Mac. I have used Altsys
Corporation's Metamorphasis Professional program to convert it into
IBM PC compatible Type 1 PS and TrueType formats. When I installed
these fonts under Windows 3.0, I found that I cannot display/print 27 upper 
ASCII characters. Then I tried them under Windows 3.1. Things are slightly 
better under 3.1, because I have only 22 chars that are blocked out.
Still, I cannot afford to lose 22 chars from my font. Since 5 of the chars 
which were blocked out by windows  3.0 are now visible under Windows 3.1,
I am assuming that all the chars are there in the Font file, but Windows 3.1 
is blocking 22 of them out. The ASCII codes of chars which are being blocked
out are: 128, 129, 141, 142, 143, 144, 157, 166, 173, 179, 185, 188, 189,
         190, 194, 208, 215, 221, 222, 240, 253 and 254. 

	Curiously enough, these do not correspond to the unsupported character
codes listed in the Appendix B of the Windows 3.0 manual. Can someone from
Microsoft or some Font/Window Wizard please explain to me what is happening? 
Can I somehow "unblock" these 22 chars and display and print them? This is 
essential to implement my font under Windows. Any help will be greatly 
appreciated. 

Regards,
K.Desikachary.
AECL Research.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: gbthorpe@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Gerry Thorpe)
Subject: BGI stroked font editor
Keywords: BGI,Borland,Font Editor
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:21:31 GMT


Greetings,

There seems to be a nifty little stroke font editor
that Borland has on it's Compuserve forum BPROGB, called
FE.EXE in an archive called BGI.ARC.

It enables you to edit and create BGI stroked font files.

Would anyone in netland have this handy and be able to 
uuencode and send it to me via email? 

Thanks in advance,
Gerry Thorpe ... gbthorpe@descartes.waterloo.edu
From: duanem@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Duane W Moore)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Changing Font Names in Windows
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:13:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.6642
Reply-To: duanem@tekig5.pen.tek.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


In article <DMANDL.92Aug19111832@bilbo.shearson.com> you write:

Reformatted somewhat for clarity ...

++++++++++

    In article <1992Aug18.011500.25424@nic.umass.edu>
    s0558191@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Belanger) writes:

    I have recently begun using CorelDraw 3.0 and would like to change
    the odd names it gives to fonts to the more correct names. I tried
    changing the names in the win.ini file but the changes were only used when
    I entered the fonts section of the Control Panel. What do I have to do to
    make other programs use the new names. Any help is appreciated. Thanks
    Chris Belanger

I'm assuming you mean the names that are used within Corel (not outside,
i.e. in ATM or other packages like Pagemaker or whatever--Corel's fonts
aren't directly usable outside of Corel anyway).  This is very easy.  There
is a file in your Corel directory that contains pairs of filenames and font
names, and you just change the font name for whatever file: Ottawa becomes
Optima, etc.  I'm not at my PC, and I can't remember the filename, but it
should be fairly obvious: coreldrw.ini or something.  If you can't find it,
email me and I can give you more details.  Regards.

--Dave.
----------

Chris clearly stated that he is referring to Corel DRAW 3.0, which uses
TrueType fonts.  Previous versions of Corel DRAW have included information
regarding changing of font names.  In those versions, the change was known
ONLY to Corel DRAW.  But since version 3.0 provides all those fonts which
can be shared with virtually all other Windows applications, it is very
desirable to change the names of the True Type fonts to the names that we
all know them by.  I'd like the answer also.

-- Duane
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: James Petts <pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: pfa/pfb to mac
Organization: No Affiliation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:17:09 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

Does anybody know of a quick and/or easy way to convert pfa/pfb fonts to 
type 1 Mac format?

James Petts
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Looking for TrueType key-cap font
Keywords: tt
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 07:18:55 GMT

There's one called DavysKeyCaps that has both TrueType and Type 1 versions. (I
think.) Not surprisingly, it's from the same guy who made DavysDingbats and
DavysOtherDingbats.
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: schiller@tira.uchicago.edu (Eric Schiller)
Subject: Re: Why Windows 3.1 blocks out some of the upper ASCII codes?
Organization: Center for Information and Language Studies / University of
	Chicago
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:57:17 GMT

Why? I dunno. But in correspondence with John Renner of
Adobe he told me that it is all Microsoft's fault, and that
Bill Gates indicagted no change likely.

Part of the missing set conforms to an ANSI recommendation
no one is following, reserving additional high-ascii 
slots for new control characters.

Sheer lunacy and a pain in the butt.

Get a Mac!

Eric Schiller
From: jaap@alice.att.com (jaap)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: font encoding morass
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:23:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23513
Reply-To: jaap@alice.UUCP ()
Organization: AT&T, Bell Labs


As far as I know, there exists an ISO standard ``Font and character
information interchange'' (ISO 9541-1 or so).  I remember reading it
quite some time ago (or should I say, scanning?  It is not a small
standard and was baptised ``the font monster'' by a colleague).  I
vaguely remember that the interchange happens independent of
underlining character encoding mechanism (like Laten-[1-5], Unicode
ISO 646, MacIntosh charset, SGML public Entity sets, TeX encoding,
troff etc etc.).  ODA (ISO 8613) uses it.

One of the ideas was to have a central font clearimg house.  Each font
supplier could get an unique font identification number from this
clearing house, just like an Ethernet address is always supposed to be
unique.  This way you can identify each font and the glyphs in it
easily.  (Not unlike UniquID and XUID numbers in a PostScript font
description.  And didn't had Xerox also a font registry for
Interpress?).

I assume that one of the reason (apart from the size) this standard
didn't really catched on, is that to standarize something like this,
you need a relative stable world (at least the subset with deals with
fonts).  The explosion of various font technologies we witness the
last 10 years or so, went way to quickly for standarizing bodies to
keep up with.


        jaap
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives