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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Civic LX, Saturn SL1.. what else should I consider...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:43:03 GMT
Keywords: pl. suggest choices...

In article <1992Dec12.052130.20253@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.015649.5239@EE.Stanford.EDU>
>sahul@loading-zone.Stanford.EDU (Zakir H. Sahul) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec12.004032.14013@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
>>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>> In article <1992Dec11.232520.18845@tandem.com> norcott_bill@tandem.com
>>> In any event, I will say that Japanese Big Macs are preferable to 
>>> American Big Macs if one does not count the price.  The Big Mac is now
>>> a commodity product, which is basically the same in both countries.
>>> The difference is the service and sale after the purchase.  Trust me.
>>> The service is much better in Tokyo than in, ugh, San Francisco.
>>> In Tokyo, one can order a "smile" (literally) for 0 yen, but one can't
>>> even purchase that in San Francisco, let alone a redneck town.
>>I have had MANY a MacDonald's person fill my order in many a US and Canadian 
>>town in the most courteous, efficient manner.  Getting a smile for free
>>depends just as much on the customer as on the MacDonald's employee.
>>Act like a pompous jerk and get treated like one....
>
>Mr. Sahul overlooked the obvious.
>
>I said, "'smile' (literally)".  In other words, in the menu on the
>overhead board in Tokyo's MacDonald's, several items (Big Mac's, etc.) and
>their prices were listed, but the word "smile" (in Japanese) was
>also written.  It's cost was listed as "0 yen".


At the McDonald's I work at, there is a sign that says "Smiles are Free."
>
>There is no equivalent at MacDonald's in the USA.  Like I said,
>service in America sucks.  That includes service at car dealerships.
>They S.U.C.K. the big one.

	Probably if you act like a complete idiot.
>
>>By the way, Mr. Dwight Joe, what exactly do you mean by a "redneck" town?  
>>Aren't you making a stereotyped, stupid, baseless remark?
>
>No.
	Why, yes Mr. Joe, you are.

				Chintan Amin


-- 
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  "Public speaking is very easy!" <-- Quayle 10/88  ;-)
  "Unfortunately, the people of Louisiana are not racists" <-- Quayle, 10/12/90
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From: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: RE: WHEELS ON AN M3
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:17:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Reply-To: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) 

garyh@sco.COM (Gary H) writes:
-> I'm about to buy a really nice looking M3.  The original owner has
-> three piece wheels from "DP Motorsport".  The "dp" trademark is on
-> the center hub.  Just wondering, are these good rims? They look
-> pretty good, but I am weary of the idea these might be cheapo rims on
-> a nice car like the M3. They look nice though (3 piece wheels with
-> gold plated bolts)!  Anyone know anything about "DP" rims?

  DP's are really great rims Gary..Do you know the exact model name of
them?  DP's are made in Japan and are very popular around here..Saleen
uses DP's on their Mustangs, so they're pretty good.  Are they the
DP-5's??  (5-star looking one's or what?)  But the cheapest DP's are
about $169 a rim (not chrome plated)...So, stick with the DP's, they are
really great and look good on an M3...In fact, ANY rim looks bad on an
M3!  Racing Dynamics look totally cool on them!


Erich.
                                                                                                     
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Houston,Texas
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From: hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FORD TAURUS taillight RIPOFF!
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:34:57 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

>What amazes me is people bitch about $131 for a tail light lens but at
>the same time meekly fork over $15 or $20,000 for a plastic-and-tin-can
>jellybean-mobile car.  

>Am I the only one for which the concept of paying more for a daily 
>driver than I did for my first house somehow rings bogus?

I wish my first house was going to cost me only $15-20k.


-- 
Jon Hacker
Caltech, Pasadena CA
hacker@tumbler-ridge.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Reply-To: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:44:19 GMT

> In article <BzEuo2.GpK@boi.hp.com> wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
> >
> >     Toyota used to just say "TOYOTA" and now they have an emblem
> >     (looks like a silly cattle brand to me).

dwrig@tog-34.hac.com (David Wright) responded:
> Actually, it just occurred to me that the new Tau symbol fits 
> in the same space a Geo symbol fits.  Makes it easy to badge 
> engineer the Corolla/Prism.

I saw a printed oval that was the same color and script as the blue 
oval used for the Ford logo.  Only the word in the oval wasn't Ford.

Oh, ... the word started with 'F' followed by a vowel, a 'small'
consonant, and a 'tall' consonant - just like the word 'Ford.'  

I had to do a double-take, because it looked so much like 'Ford' that
it didn't register that it was some other word for a couple of seconds.

Wish I'd had such a sticker for my LEMON SVO.
From: hhd0@newshost.gte.com (Horace Dediu)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Car bras
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:46:20 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

I'm considering purchasing a car bra.  Now, I've heard the pros and cons, but
still cannot decide.  I'm considering it because I've already had paint
damage from stones thrown by cars on the freeway.  It's a crying shame.
On the other hand, they look tacky and are expensive and of questionable 
durability and may damage the paint (by trapping moisture.)

So, what is the consensus?  Are they worth it?  Is there an alternative?  I
don't want to have to repair my hood every few weeks.  All the construction
on the freeways is increasing the probability of damage.  I need a solution.

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Horace Dediu                                                  GTE Laboratories
(617) 466-4111                                                40 Sylvan Road
Internet: hdediu@gte.com                                      Waltham, MA 02254
From: claude@cse.ucsc.edu (Claude Noshpitz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Porsche 911 Recommendations?
Summary: looking for suggestions/tips/traps on 911's
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:54:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
NNTP-Posting-Host: spica.ucsc.edu

Hello Net!  I'm getting ready to find a good used 911, and am
wondering what folks' opinions might be regarding good/bad years,
design bugs, general things-to-look-for, and so on.  Any publications
that might be of interest I'd be interested in too.  Thanks!!!

--claude
-- 
...................... nothin left to do but :-) :-) :-) ...................
   Claude Noshpitz                 claude@cse.ucsc.edu
     5420 Coast Road                 University of California, AS225
     Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA        Santa Cruz, CA 95064 USA   
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Elvis in HotDogMobile!!!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:09:43 GMT

In article <28585@oasys.dt.navy.mil> mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello) writes:
>In rec.autos, awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Adam Edwards) writes:
>xAn Oscar Meyer Mobile pulled up in front of a dorm!
>xHas anyone ever seen one for real, or is it just the fact that
>xI'm a young'n and wouldn't remember such a thing from the past?
>xI do remember a car magazine article roadtesting one of these
>xhowever.  Sounds like excellent group transportation!
>	   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Yeah, if you and your friends are *Weenies*.

didn't you know?  it's the vehicle that the UC-Berkeley football
team uses to go receive its annual thrashing at the Big Game.

-teddy
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks)
Subject: Re: Cited again!(kinda)
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:50:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.224742.7824@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Adam Edwards) writes:
>-Had a nice 'run in' with a police officer yesterday afternoon.
>I was driving on 390N just South of Rochester, 4 of us in my black
>T-Bird.  Traffic was moving very briskly, close to 70 I'd say.
>I was in the left lane, creeping by cars to my right, when I pulled
>up behind a white Mercury Grand Marquis.  It was stock looking,
>save the visible rear stabilizer(larger), and was totally unmarked.
>No lights on the rear deck, no antennae, etc.  The teardrop spotlight
>usually tips me off, but this had nothing.  So the driver pulls to the 
>right to let me by.  Not liking lurking in people's blind spots, I accelerated
>past the car, and pulled in a few cars ahead.  Upon passing, I looked over to
>see a man in police uniform, wearing a portable.  Oooops...
>He immediately followed(tailgating very closely) me, so I pulled over
>to the right lane, to see if he needed to get by.  No such luck.
>After he tailgated me for a bit, I decided to pull over to see what the
>problem was, why his lights werent on, or why he wasn't even gesturing
>me to pull over, just sitting inches away from bumper sticker.  Finally,
>a little red light appeared on the dash, and wig-wags came on.  
>After coming to a stop, I placed my hands on the steering wheel
>Conversation as follows:
>
>Officer:"let me see your drivers license."
>(I obliged, pulling out my wallet)
>Officer:"What's that California ID I just saw in your wallet Mr. Edwards?"
>Me:"I lived there for four months the summer before last.  Would you like
>to see it?"
>Officer:"No.  Do you know what the speed limit is here?"
>Me:"Yes, Sir, I'm sorry I was speeding....We have finals this week, and I 
>was in a hurry to get my three friends back so we could study"
>Officer:"Let me see your registration and insurance card."
>(I obliged)
>Officer:"Thank you Mr. Edwards, you're ok to go.  In the future, if you're goingto speed, DON'T do it in front of a cop!.  (pointing back to his car), That's
>OBVIOUSLY a cop car, okay?"
>Me:"Thank you Officer."
>
>Everything went be rather quickly, and I didn't even catch what kind of officer
>he was.  Uniform was navy, so it wasn't a State Trooper, I didn't think RPD 
>cruised the 390.  Anyway, I guess I got lucky, 75 in a 55 would be a 4 point violation.  Maybe he was impressed that I didn't frantically rip my radar detector
>from my visor...
>
>
>-- 
>		'Fast...
>				...what to drive '


Probably out of his jurisdiction and a little bored when he saw the look on your
face when you saw his uniform.  He thought "I'll have a little fun on my way home!

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Four wheel drive Autos
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:19:51 GMT

In article <BzAIpH.J9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!) writes:
>morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton) writes:
>
>>In article <1gj56rINNkm0@uwm.edu> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:
>>>In article <92349.151334CJOHNSON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <CJOHNSON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>>>>We are thinking of selling our 4 x 4 truck, and Prelude Honda auto. And buying
>>>>a full time Four wheel Drive auto,some thing that is sporty and rides nice
>>>>but has four wheel drive. What we want to know is who makes such a car. I think
>>>>Audi does who else.
>>>
>>>--Subaru makes the Legacy Sports Sedan and Touring Wagon.  These are the high
>>>
>>>--Even better is the Subaru SVX, a two-door GT coupe.  It is Subaru's
>>>
>>>--The Mercedes 300E is another choice, if you want to spend $50K, but the  
>>>  Audi V8 4.2 or the Audi S4 is a better bet for that kind of money.
>
>>Aamir's recommendations are excellent. I might also add that the Legacy is
>>available with an unblown 130 bhp variant of the flat four.
>
>>Were you to shop in Canada, the BMW 325iX and Volkswagen Passat syncro G60
>>would also meet your criteria.
>
>Don't forget the Mitsu Eclipse/Eagle Talon/Plymouth Laser.  I can't speak for
>the ride quality on these cars, having never driven one, but I hear nothing
>but good reports on the performance and fun scale.

	Also the Stealth/3000GT have 4wd versions and VW has synchro versions
of its cars.  


-- 
 Chintan Amin  The University of Illinois, Urbana Champaign  c-amin1@uiuc.edu
  "Public speaking is very easy!" <-- Quayle 10/88  ;-)
  "Unfortunately, the people of Louisiana are not racists" <-- Quayle, 10/12/90
NeXTMail Accepted  Go Illini *Holiday Bowl* Go Capitals Go Tarheels Go Cowboys 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: russ@gagme.chi.il.us (Russell J. Price)
Subject: Re: Flames for GM Body Holes
Originator: russ@gagme
Keywords: rust
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:21:23 GMT

In article <1ggr30INNk68@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl) writes:
>
>I sure wish I could hunt down that supposed article or report by 
>J. D. Powers and Associates discussing the supposed value (or lack
>thereof) of rustproofing.  As I suggested before, I just may skip the
>hole process on my new car even I live in the rust belt.

The warranty on my '92 GMC Sonoma specifically recommends AGAINST aftermarket
rustproofing, and will not cover any damage caused by it.  The dealer didn't
try to push rustproofing, either...
-- 
Russ Price                      russ@gagme.chi.il.us
----------------------------------------------------
Chicago: where rivers leak and bridges fall up...
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin)
Subject: Re: Mercury Capri
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:37:47 GMT

leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG) writes:

>In rec.autos, Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:


>Over here, this is the model advertised as the most popular/best selling 
>convertible in the US.  If you believe a Ford advert, then the US is mainly 
>populated by young women :-).  

>lawrence

The Mercury Capri was never the best selling convertible in the US.
The Mazda Miata is the current champ in the US, it took its title from 
the Chrysler LeBaron convertible 3 (or so) years ago.

Issa

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jes@downey.dev.macsch.com (John Schiermeier)
Subject: Re: Best undercover car
Organization: The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:24:01 GMT

In article <1gfujjINN1lq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) says:
>>Houston Police Department has several Camaros for highway traffic enforcement
>>(complete with those silver 5 spoke rims, your tax dollars at work!), and I've
>>seen Harris County sheriff's in the same.  Nothing tops that Jersey Village K9
>>unit I've seen.   An open Jeep CJ-7 with all the police trims (paint, decals,
>>light bar).  Looks hilarious!  Almost drove off 290 into a ditch when I saw 
>>that thing doing 50 in the fast lane...
>
>my home town (mt. vernon) has also the camaero.  Along the lines of the
>jeep..the city where i used to go to college had a suzuki samarai with all
>the decals, light bar,etc..it was rather amusing too..
>DREW

The university where I went, Washington University in St. Louis, used to
have Cushmans for the campus police, with lights and everything.  Now
they have Tauri, which are probably a bit more difficult to maneuver
on the walkways.

John
From: walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Tire Rack
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:19:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

From article <1992Dec18.005323.22892@hspice.portal.com>, by georgew@hspice.portal.com (George J Wu):

>      My main complaint is about the balancing.  Since I ordered a set of rims
> and tires, Tire Rack throws in mounting and balancing for free.  At speeds
> above 75 MPH, I get alot of vibration feedback through the steering system.
> This probably indicates the balancing isn't correct, so now I need to have the
> tires rebalanced.  This is inconvenient, not to mention costs me money for
> something supposedly already included.

I wouldn't be so quick to accuse them of poor balancing.
When is the last time that you (or a shop) did a front
end alignment?  A lot of problems can be masked by poorly
worn tires, and it is common for a car that is out of
alignment to be squirrely about getting new tires.
Joe Bob says check it out.
-- 
Mark Walsh (walsh@optilink) -- UUCP: uunet!optilink!walsh
AOL: BigCookie -- Amateur Radio: KM6XU@WX3K -- USCF: L10861
"What, me worry?" - William M. Gaines, 1922-1992
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rothberg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Edward Rothberg)
Subject: SHO shopping: 92 or 93?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:25:19 GMT


I've decided to buy a Taurus SHO.  For a variety of reasons, I would
ideally want to buy it sometime in late January.  If I were to buy it
now, it would have to sit in my apartment parking lot for a month.
Right now, dealers in the area still have a small number of 92 SHOs.
I'm convinced that they won't be around in late January.  The dealers
swear up and down that they will sell the 92 leftovers for thousands
less than the 93s (I was quoted 17.5K for a 211A 92 SHO, and "at least
20" for a 93).  My question is, can anyone predict whether their
stories will be the same once the 92s are gone and all they've got to
sell are 93s?  Does anyone know anything about what dealer incentives
are in place for the 92s, whether they apply to the 93s as well, and
when they expire?  Has anyone gotten a quote of anywhere near 17.5K
for a 93 (or better for a 92)?

I should note that I plan to keep the car forever, so a 93 label isn't
worth any more to me than a 92 label.

Ed Rothberg
rothberg@cs.stanford.edu
From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Doge Stealth numbers?
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:33:45 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Dec16.210711.15709@news.ysu.edu>, ah179@yfn.ysu.edu (Brian Wilson) writes:
|> Could someone post the performance figures for a the low-end
|> Dodge Stealth (non-turbo).  Horsepower, Torque, 0-60, braking
|> distance.  Also, it is fwd, isn't it?
|> THanks in advance

 Which "low-end" non-turbo?  There are two - 180 hp and 222 hp.

 Yes, they are all FWD, except for the Turbo, which is AWD.

 The Dodge Stealth ES and RT models are the performance twin
 of the Nissan 300ZX.  0-60 about 6.7 seconds.   Check Car&Driver
 for more info, I can't remember the rest.

 The really low-end version is a real dog - just for show.

 TRAVIS
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Civic LX, Saturn SL1.. what else should I consider...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:49:53 GMT
Keywords: pl. suggest choices...

In article <1992Dec12.055446.21166@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <Bz3EM3.2Js@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>(Baka na Chuugokujin) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec11.010613.12778@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>First, I'll make some suggestions in that price range; then, I'll make a
>>>comment.
>>>     Nissan:  Sentra
>>>       Ford:  Escort
>>>    Mercury:  Tracer
>>> Mitsubishi:  Mirage
>>>      Dodge:  Colt
>>>   Plymouth:  Colt
>>>      Eagle:  Summit
>>>     Toyota:  Corolla
>>>        Geo:  Prizm
>>>  Chevrolet:  Cavalier
>>>    Hyundai:  Scoupe
>>>      Honda:  Civic
>>	There goes Mr. Joe again, spreading the s*!t like they do here in 
>>Beautiful Central Illinois.  The Escort/Tracer/Protege or the Sentra are great
>>cars.
>
>But at least I use my real name and have the guts to stand by my words.
>Since I don't know who this imposter is, I'll just call him bakanachuugokujin
>or Mr. BNC for short.
Well, maybe you should read my .signature files?


				Chintan Amin 

-- 
 Chintan Amin  The University of Illinois, Urbana Champaign  c-amin1@uiuc.edu
  "Public speaking is very easy!" <-- Quayle 10/88  ;-)
  "Unfortunately, the people of Louisiana are not racists" <-- Quayle, 10/12/90
NeXTMail Accepted  Go Illini *Holiday Bowl* Go Capitals Go Tarheels Go Cowboys 
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 21:22:49 GMT
Subject: How To Protect '84 GMC gas tank?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.autos

I own a 1984 GMC C1500 shortbed pickup with one gas tank on driver side
which is mounted outside of the frame and a potential fire hazard should
I ever have an accident with another car in that area. 

The truck is a 2x4 and I wonder whether those rocker box guards or whatever
they're called which are large diameter tubes which attach to the frame
and loop outside body of vehicle would provide extra protection for about
$140 from such an accident or a waste of money. Am unsure whether they
fit 2x4 pickups but am quite sure they do. They would provide some
protection to the gas tank but it might not be enough. Comments anyone?

Graeme Harrison
San Jose, CA

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jim@jimw.b30.ingr.com (Jim Weatherly)
Subject: Does anyone remember...
Keywords: GM Problems
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:40:02 GMT

A couple of weeks ago there were several articles about some GM engine
problem that boiled down to a problem with an engine sensor.  The auto
in question would sometimes just quit for no apparant reason, and 
several mechanics had not been able to diagnose it.  My niece has a
either a Grand Am or a Grand Prix (not even sure of the engine type!)
and it has been pulling the same trick.  The ECU has been changed
twice now (under warranty) but I sure would like to be able to relay
the information from the above mentioned posting in case it happens
again.  Does anyone have that posting around, or could the author
who had the answer repost it?  I tried to find it but couldn't go
back far enough.

Thanks!

By the way, I was the owner of a '92 Roadmaster with the 5.7 liter
V8 for 6 months.  It had the most annoying ping, even with 93 octane
premium.  The dealer's answer was to retard the timing to 5 degrees 
BTDC, which robbed it of what little power it had.  But the ping came
back!  Fuel chamber cleaner seemed to help at that point, but I couldn't
handle the loss of power and moved the timing back to factory specs.
Ping, ping, ping...  Drove me crazy.  At the risk of being cursed by
the luxury car haters on the net, the comfort of the car just about 
ruined me - my '92 Camry felt like a go-cart after driving the gas-master.
(The Toyota does handle much better, particularly at speeds > 70 mph.)
The gas mileage on the monster averaged 20 mpg, which leads me to think
that they leaned the mixture way out to get mileage but built in that
pinging problem.  I know longer have the car, but it led me to wonder
why the engineers at GM would release a car with such an annoying feature.

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