HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: deloura@cezanne.cs.unc.edu (Mark A. DeLoura)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Glasses
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:49:51 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <Sean_Hurley.0713@dream.uucp> Sean_Hurley@dream.uucp (Sean Hurley) writes:
>But folks, this lazer idea, even at nano volts is a bad idea -- think about
>it, you'll have a laser "burn" an image into the retina...
>
>Indiscriminate of color receptors!  All you will see, in all likelihood, is
>a very bright white light -- VERY bright -- but only where the lazer hits. 
>Everything else will be Black -- pitch dark.  Can you imagine what type of
>cruel and unusual punishment you will be giving your visual cortex?  The
>retinal cells will adjust to some extent to pitch blackness -- by
>increasing their sensitivity -- and then you'll hit them with this lazer.
>
>You won't be able to see in color -- or in only one color -- because you
>will be hitting rods and cones indiscriminately.
>

Wrongo!
I've tried it, a 1/4 microwatt laser into my eyeball-- worked fine for me,
a tad blurry but definitely I could read the time off of the xclock that
was being shown.

And it was *red*.
	---Mark

===============================================================================
 Mark A. DeLoura       deloura@cs.unc.edu      U of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
                sci.virtual-worlds co-moderator/librarian
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Future Plotting and Back Planning
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:27:46 GMT

Sounds liek people need to figure out what the future will be in say 100 years
and then do some back planning/thinking and figure out how we are to get
there.. Such as what inventions and such need to come about to make it so..
If things change, well we can re-think the point future and retrack the path
needed.. So far I have seen alot of gaming stuff, people more interested in how
to better play their Nintendo (c) than real future stuff..

Other topic:
Humans seem to not be able to do it, or unwilling to do it, namely telepathy.
And what one facet of computers and direc hardwiring is the ability to pass
info from one human to another faster and clearer, without the emotional
abiguities (sp).. I would love to be able to pass on my feeling to another
person but find myself stopped by the crude I/O devices life has given us so
far.. 

Ghost Wheel/Morgoth NSMCA@acad3.alaska.edu

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech,alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: joro@panix.com (Joe Rosen)
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk NOW Organization.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:11:56 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Dec28.005824.1@acad3.alaska.edu> nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

>Is there any organizations specifically to bring about cyberspace/punk and
>such.. Basically to act as a clearing house for info on technology, thoughts,
>movements, bills (laws) and such.. I know of EFF, but is therer some more
>specific to act as a lets do it now organization, and not a discussion group..
>Im tired of hearing how and hearing people talk. Lets work on it NOW!!

>Cyberpunk Annonymous (a neat name for the Organization?).


>Michael Adams
>Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
>nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu


     i guess the closest thing would be some of the "journals"...

i kinda see "mondo" as more of a hinderence rather than a help to the
whole concept of "cyber"-anything...

     other than mondo what else is out there ?

and is there really a cyber-culture ?

     like i said, the stuff i see printed in mondo (the closest thing
available that sorta chronicles the "culture") makes me wanna vomit.


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech,alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy)
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk NOW Organization.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 17:29:22 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu said about 'Cyberpunk
NOW Organization.': 
|Somewhere in the NET ahawks says:
|
|In article <1992Dec28.174213.7724@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
|ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (we're tiny we're toony) writes: 
|> 
|> But, anywaze, you might try these "organizations":
|> 
|> 	-2600 meetings
|> 	-raves
|> 	-hang with yer local industrial/punk scene (b-seen, see)
|> 	-H0h0Con & the likeminded 
|> 	-the hackers convention[al]s
|> 
|Info on how to join these organizations would be appreciated..

Oh my, I'm replying....

2600 meetings:  	read 2600
Raves:			well, I don't think there's any in alaska....
Industrial/punks:	same as above    =)
HohoCon:		read a recent phrack or somethin,
			read comp.org.eff.talk
			ftp ftp.eff.org
Hacker Convention:	go back in time 20 years and go to MIT.....=)

|> |Michael Adams
|> 
|> Not the basketball player r u?  =)
|
|Sorry no luck on that account. Im not a dark as he..

Ahem...

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From: madness@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (Wayne Barker)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: wheels
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 20:47:18 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX

one thing about re-inventing the wheel - you understand the wheel better 
than most who use it...

--
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Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX, (713) 481-3763
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From: popec@freeside.com (PopeC)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Sony Visortron vr goggles...
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 23:09:11 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

adam feuer <adamfast@u.washington.edu> writes:

> Anybody know anything about the new vr goggles (supposedly) coming out
> from Sony? I heard about it in The Stranger (Seattle "alternative" free
> weekly). Excerpt from a 14 Dec 92 column by Clark Humphrey called Misc
> follows:
> 
> "Cathode Corner: Sony's about to bring cyberpunk one step closer with the
> Visortron 'headset video screen.' The goggle-like device contains two
> tiny 0.7" LCD screens, one just in front of each eye. Not only could this
> mean perfected 3D movies, it'll let bus riders and hospital patients
> remove themselves even further from their surroundings. Also, it's one of
> the components that 'virtual reality' developers have clamored for."
> 
> Where do I call for info? How much do they cost? Where and when can I get
> one? Guess it's time to get out there and call Sony's voice mail...
> 
> adam
> 
> adamfast@u.washington.edu

They are shown in the latest Time Magazine, (December 28, 92   Page 11)
  No price given, no date given when they'll be available.  They will 
come with a miniture VCR apparently.  Optional?  We'll see.


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk NOW Organization.
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 11:03:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.200203.14338@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Virginia.A.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Virginia A. Reed) writes:
> somewhere netlike, ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu writes:
> 
>>2600 meetings:  	read 2600
>>Raves:			well, I don't think there's any in alaska....
>>Industrial/punks:	same as above    =)
> 
> anyone know of any raves in the new hampshire/vermont/massachusetts
> area?
> 
>>HohoCon:		read a recent phrack or somethin,
>>			read comp.org.eff.talk
>>			ftp ftp.eff.org
> 
> where can i get a copy of phrack?
> 
> chris
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> | Smart-assed skeptic. Monkey man will MAKE you believe. |
> ----------------------------------------------------------

Might send a email message to 1-9704@wwiv.cojones.com and ask him
where to find a copy of Phrack.. He might be able to send you a copy, it might
take awhile thou. Cross NEt and such..

==
==
Michael Adams alias Ghost Wheel/Morgoth NSMCA@acad3.alaska.edu



Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech,alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: pacoid@wixer.cactus.org (Paco Xander Nathan)
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk NOW Organization.
Organization: FringeWare Inc., +1 512 477 1366
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 07:37:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.001344.15101@panix.com> joro@panix.com (Joe Rosen) writes:
>>>
>>>     good list... except the editors of bOING, bOING come outta
>>>mondo (the seem to all be mondo refugees of sorts)...
>
>
>>Bull-Fucking-Shit rosen!  The editors of bOING-bOING were all doing
>>samizdat zines b4 they got into BB, then just about each took a shot
>>at writing for M2 and >many< have at this point gotten disgusted.
>>Where in the living fuck did you extract that "refugees" tripe?
>>Any more and - why - we outta just march our little BB tribe down
>>to the White Horse and turn off your android power supply.  That'll
>>teach you to mess with sentients!
>
>
>gads...
>
>     thanks so much for setting me straight on this !
> ...
>     that is the only point i was trying to make (sorry that i got ya
>all upset (-:).

No problem, but we've had reports that some Andromedans had invaded
our galaxy and were posing as New Yorkers. At this point, we cannot,
I repeat CANNOT afford to take any chances. If this had been a real
emergency, you would have received instructions from a parallel
universe. Please stay tuned to further issues of bOING-bOING for
more details.  And keep subscribing, or else we'll turn off the
switches on your brain vat and you'll be sucked back into reality
and have to pay off all those loansharks from the Republican National
Committee.

Have a nice day.

pacoid.

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech,alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (we're tiny we're toony)
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk NOW Organization.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 17:42:13 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu said about 'Cyberpunk
NOW Organization.': 
|Is there any organizations specifically to bring about cyberspace/punk and
|such.. Basically to act as a clearing house for info on technology, thoughts,
|movements, bills (laws) and such.. I know of EFF, but is therer some more
|specific to act as a lets do it now organization, and not a discussion group..
|Im tired of hearing how and hearing people talk. Lets work on it NOW!!

EFF does a helluva lot more than talk....Tho they do a lot of that 2,
particularly on USEnet....But, yo g, don' be dissin' dat EFF...dope...

But, anywaze, you might try these "organizations":

	-2600 meetings
	-raves
	-hang with yer local industrial/punk scene (b-seen, see)
	-H0h0Con & the likeminded 
	-the hackers convention[al]s

|Cyberpunk Annonymous (a neat name for the Organization?).

I'm part-and-parcel 2:

In/f0

|Michael Adams

Not the basketball player r u?  =)

|Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
|nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu

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Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk.tech:1084 alt.cyberpunk.movement:416
From: joro@panix.com (Joe Rosen)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech,alt.cyberpunk.movement
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk NOW Organization.
Date: 2 Jan 93 00:25:18 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1993Jan1.193833.22496@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (we're tiny we're toony) writes:


>bOING-bOING, Intertek, CyberEdge, Technology Works, lots of SF
>journals, ocassional articles in mainstream stuff like Details, FACE,
>Fad, etc........

     good list... except the editors of bOING, bOING come outta
mondo (the seem to all be mondo refugees of sorts)...

CyberEdge Journal is outta range (with a subscription price of well
over $100.00 bucks 'a year) of most persons i know...

     i get more useful info outta some of the technical rags (like
computer craft) and electronic geek magazines (like computer
applications journal).

>|and is there really a cyber-culture ?

>What do you think?  

>|     like i said, the stuff i see printed in mondo (the closest thing
>|available that sorta chronicles the "culture") makes me wanna vomit.

     as i said... makes we wanna puke...

is this movement a "fashion" statement or are we trying to actually
build stuff and make "art"...

     or is the idea to just appear faux cool while reading some 'o the
junk printed in places like mondo ?
From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: distribution: world request
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:49:10 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu


I just wanted to add a short note that all posts should be set to distribution
'world'. I have over the past months talked to people who had received the
faq or somehow where pointed in our direction but I don't think that most of
our posts make it to everyone. The reaches of the group have brought replies
from many countries outside the US including UK,Canada,Germany,Australia,
South Africa, New Zealand, Finland.. etc. So if everyone would try to remember
to fill in the 'distribution:' option we will no doubt get a more global
response and discussion which will benefit everyone.

Tim
From: andras@well.sf.ca.us (Andrew Raskin)
Subject: Re: Mondo makes me retch
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 17:47:37 GMT


>In <1993Jan1.193833.22496@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (we're
>tiny we're toony) writes:
>
>>|     like i said, the stuff i see printed in mondo (the closest thing
>>|available that sorta chronicles the "culture") makes me wanna vomit.
>
>
>i don't mean to get anyone angry by my statement...
>
>     it just appears to me that the "culture" is more involved in
>fashion posing then actually making any kinda real contribution...
>
>if "cyber-culture" is about fashion then i guess what gets printed
>in mondo (and places like it) is representative of what's goin' on...
>
>    alas... i gotta maintain that there is more to what we are doin'
>than just spewing some junk that ya read outta the last william
>gibson -esque story to come down the assembly line.
>


It would depend on what you define as the culture. The real
underground/hacker
culture is busy doing, both on creative and technical levels, the ultimate
example being MindVox where an entire movement is taking place and headed up
by the former members of the Legion of Doom, Knights of Shadow, and a dozen
other
organizations out of the past, who were active in the early 80's. of course
its
also taking place all over Mondo since the principle partners of Phantom
Access
are also authors and one of the places they are regularily published is
Mondo.

On different levels, VR companies doing serious work are usually looking at
Nintendo and its success, not a bunch of net weenies who want to wire in and
jack in.

You'd have to define your own place within the culture and figure out just
what
it is that you contribute. If the answer is nothing, then you can always
spend
your time on alt.cyberpunk complaining about what everyone else is doing ;)

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.privacy,alt.security.pgp,bit.listserv.xtropy-l,sci.crypt,talk.politics.misc
From: whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk (Russell Earl Whitaker)
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:37:42 GMT

In article <28487@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) writes:
> In alt.cyberpunk, mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>>On receiving a call with caller ID blocked, one thing you could do is pick
>>up the receiver and say, "If you want to talk to me, call back without
>>blocking caller ID," and hang up.
>>
>>But could you distinguish (a) a caller who has deliberately blocked
>>caller ID, from (b) a caller from a place that simply doesn't have it yet?
> 
> The phone system tells you.  If you have caller ID service, then you
> get Caller-ID info on every call.  It includes the date and time
> of the call as well as the phone number.  If the call comes from an
> area that doens't supply the number, then you get an "out of area"
> message (along with the date and time).  If the caller-id info is blocked
> you get a message something like "private" (along with the date and
> time).
> 
> My caller-id box stores something like 50 phone calls.  It's nice because
> even if the person is calling from out of the area, I know the date and
> time of their call.  I have a voice mail service from the phone company,
> but even if the person doesn't leave a message, I know they called.  I
> think it's great.
> 
> Curt

I wonder if you can have a print out of your calls, who called you, what types  
of calls, and a price quote of how much the call was to you.. Also how long
the call was.. Kind of like what a FAX can do, but also what your phone company
sends out every month, but you can get it from your phone without having to
talk to the 'phone' company.. I wonder how long before
FAX/Modem/Telephone/Printer are just the same thing.. kind of like what
happened to the fax and modem..
Ghost Wheel/Morgoth NSMCA@acad3.alaska.edu
From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: scam (was Re: makecash
Date: 2 Jan 93 17:13:39 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article <4777.403.uupcb@the-matrix.com> alan.strang@the-matrix.com (Alan Strang)  writes:

>                                        December 22, 1992
>
>                       INSTRUCTIONS
>
>Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you
>will have received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours.
>This program has remained successful because of the honesty
>and integrety of the participants.  Please continue its
>success by carefully adhering to the instructions.
>
>  1)  Immediately mail $1.00 to the first 5 names listed
>      below starting at number 1 through number 5.  Send cash only
>      please (total investment $5.00). Enclose a note in each
>      envelope stating: "Please add my name to your mailing list."

>      perfectly legal.  If you have any doubts, refer to Title 18,
>      Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the postal lottery laws.

This is what is referred to as a triangle scam (or in the last incantation
I saw as an 'airplane game' scam where it was another 'perfectly legal' system
of seats on your airplane that people reserved for 1.00 and there was a way to
move up from the bottom of the list till you had your own airplane and only
the 'pilot' and 'copilot' of each plane were paid or something and when the
plane was full the pilot 'parachuted' off the plane and made room for a new
set of people to move up the list and make money.)  But I digress, my point
here is that this is a scam that most certainly is ILLEGAL in many states and
no matter what postal code you cite above the mere posting of it to usenet
means that you are brushing will the law because even if not illegal in your
state it has now been carried on an 'interstate carrier'and if someone takes
the time to investigate you it could certainly come back to haunt you.

Note I didn't say that you won't/can't make money on this scam - You can, I've
seen it worked before. But if you really believe it is perfectly legal you are
mistaken.
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6821 sci.electronics:21442
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 15:55:01 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) writes:

> In article <BD.92Dec28071720@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
> >
> >If CID is not available, then my phone will display a message
> >that ID is not available, as opposed to a blocked call when my
> >phone will say the Caller ID is blocked.  I will answer the former,
> >but will very likely not answer the latter.
> 
> Why?  In both cases, you don't know who is calling.  I just can't see the 
> reasoning here.  If the reason you're not answering the phone is because you 
> don't know who's calling, then why would you answer a call from an area 
> without cnid?

You're missing a very obvious point, Chad.  The reason bd isn't
answering the phone is not because he doesn't know who's calling... it's
because the calling party is not volunteering the information.

Those are two distinctly different circumstances.

I agree with bd.  If/when I can have CNID, I'll think twice about
answering an anonymously-placed call.  Calls with unavailable ID will be
answered as usual (whatever 'usual' is).
--
Roy M. Silvernail --    [my machine ] "Sometimes, you're the windshield....
roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu  [my opinions]            sometimes, you're the bug!"
cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu  [my $0.0275 ]                      --Mark Knopfler
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
From: mcclure@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Gaeron McClure)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:57:16 GMT

byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes:

>Ad-nauseum. They'll keep calling all day/all night until you talk to the
>sales-droid. Why do you think Congress finally had to grapple with legislation
>to prevent computer dialers. BTW did that pass?

	The legislation passed.  However, the law has not yet been implemented,
pending the resolution of a lawsuit on the subject.

>Later,

>BAJ

GRiM (Gaeron R. McClure) (mcclure@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu)