From: CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS and SOUL TRAVEL
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:20:49 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Oct6.162312.1553@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu says:


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>                      THE DIVINE MASTERS and SOUL TRAVEL


>               Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that
>          Jesus Christ was a perfect living Master, and a projection of
>          God into the physical world, God Incarnate.

    True enough...

>               But there are some very important related facts that
>          Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are followers of
>          most other world religions.

>               First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique, John 3:16 NOTWITH-
>          STANDING.  There is ALWAYS at least one such perfect living
>          Master (God Incarnate) PHYSICALLY ALIVE in this world AT ALL
>          TIMES, a continuous succession THROUGHOUT HISTORY, both
>          before and after the life of Jesus.

         I wouldn't say always...there are many examples of other "masters" as
         you rightly call them.

>          world's major religions, usually PERVERTING the teachings of
>          their Master in the process.  Christians, for example, added
>          THREATS of "ETERNAL DAMNATION" in Hell, and DELETED the
>          teaching of REincarnation.

      This is true, reincarnation was taken out of the bible, along with other
ideas. Even the duay version of the bible is diff than the king james version.
I wouldn't say that christians "added the threat" but told about it.

>               Secondly, and more importantly, after a particular
>          Master physically dies and leaves this world, there is
>          NOTHING that He can do for ANYbody except for the relatively
>          few people that He INITIATED while He was still physically
>          alive.

    In a word...bull. He may be linked strongly to his students, but even if he
    chose to play around...which is unlikely...he could play with lots of
    People.
                Therefore, all those Christians who worship Jesus, and
>          pray to Jesus, and expect Jesus to return and save them from
>          their sins, are only KIDDING THEMSELVES, and have allowed
>          themselves to be DUPED by a religion that was mostly
>          MANUFACTURED by the Romans.

>               And emotional "feelings" are a TOTALLY DECEIVING
>          indicator for religious validity.

  Oh? Your right to a point...the Romans did manufacture the bible...but if
Jesus is a master, a son of god, with other sons of god....is it not right
to pray to him?   Jesus may return, but him returning and saving us from sin
would be foolish. He doesn't have to return for us to be saved from sin...

>               These things are similarly true for followers of most
>          other major world religions, including Islam.

>               Thirdly, the primary function of each Master is to tune
>          His Initiates into the "AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM" or "SOUND
>          CURRENT", (referred to as "THE WORD" in John 1:1-5, and as
>          "The River of Life" in Revelation 22:1), and to personally
>          guide each of them thru the upper levels of Heaven while they
>          are still connected to their living physical bodies by a
>          "silver cord".

      Perhaps a better was to state it is to show them the way to the word...
  or the river of life. Are you saying that our overselfs are being guided by
  a son of god while we are alive?


>               True Salvation, which completes a Soul's cycles of
>          REincarnation in the physical and psychic planes, is achieved
>          only by reaching at least the "SOUL PLANE", which is five
>          levels or universes above the physical universe, and this
>          canNOT be done without the help of a Perfect LIVING Master.

 Have you ever read the book of Oashpe?  NOT> this would mean you would have to
 follow a son of god who isn't here, so as far as I know...You are guided sure,
 but the point is that you have to grow on your own...masters can help so much.
 Following a perfect living master is a great idea...but following his teaching
when he is dead is just as important.

>               One such perfect Master alive today is an American, Sri
>          Harold Klemp, the Living "Eck" Master or "Mahanta" for the
>          "Eckankar" organization, now headquartered in Minneapolis,
>          (P.O. Box 27300;  zip 55427).

>               Another perfect living Master is Maharaj Charan Singh
>          Ji, now living in Punjab, India, and is associated with the
>          "Sant Mat" organization.

            Is this an advertisement or something?


>          THE MASTERS" (Radha Soami Books, Gardena, CA), written in
>          1939 by Julian Johnson, a theologian and surgeon who spent
>          the last years of his life in India studying under and
>          closely observing the Sant Mat Master of that time, Maharaj
>          Sawan Singh Ji.

>               Several of the Eckankar books, including some authored
>          by Sri Paul Twitchell, can be found in most public and
>          university libraries and some book stores, or obtained thru
>          inter-library loan.

>               Many Christians are likely to confuse the Masters with
>          the "Anti-Christ", which is or was to be a temporary world
>          dictator during the so-called "last days".  But the Masters
>          don't ever rule, even when asked or expected to do so as
>          Jesus was.

>               People who continue following Christianity, Islam, or
>          other orthodox religions with a physically DEAD Master, will
>          CONTINUE on their cycles of REincarnation between the psychic
>          planes and this MISERABLE physical world, until they finally
>          WISE UP!

  NOT. I hope your not trying to say that if you don't follow these people, you
will not reincarnate into a higher plain. Sounds like a cult to me folks.


>               The book "HERE AND HEREAFTER", by Ruth Montgomery,
>          describes several kinds of evidence supporting REincarnation
>          as a FACT OF LIFE, including HYPNOTIC REGRESSIONS to past
>          lives, SPONTANEOUS RECALL (especially by young children, some
>          of whom can identify their most recent previous relatives,
>          homes, possessions, etc.), DREAM RECALL of past life experi-
>          ences, DEJA VU (familiarity with a far off land while travel-
>          ing there for the first time on vacation), the psychic read-
>          ings of the late EDGAR CAYCE, and EVEN SUPPORTING STATEMENTS
>          FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE including Matthew 17:11-13 (John the
>          Baptist was the REINCARNATION of Elias.) and John 9:1-2 (How
>          can a person POSSIBLY sin before he is born, unless he LIVED
>          BEFORE?!).  [ ALWAYS use the "KING JAMES VERSION".  Later
>          versions are PER-VERSIONS! ]

I have a really neat book, Its called the great something or other....it was
written in the late 1800's . It says napolion's bother was to rule the world.
It's neat, cause it has all of these graphs and stuff..i guess we are all dead.

>               The teaching of REincarnation also includes the LAW OF
>          KARMA (Galatians 6:7, Revelation 13:10, etc.).  People would
>          behave much better toward each other if they knew that their
>          actions in the present will surely be reaped by them in the
>          future, or in a FUTURE INCARNATION!

      I see your point there.....seems valid to me......

>          "2nd COMINGS"

>               If a Perfect Living Master physically dies
>          ("translates") before a particular Initiate of His does, then
>          when that Initiate physically dies ("translates"), the Master
>          will meet him on the Astral level and take him directly to
>          the Soul Plane.  This is the ONE AND ONLY correct meaning of
>          a 2nd Coming.  It is an INDIVIDUAL experience, NOT something
>          that happens for everyone all at once.  People who are still
>          waiting for Jesus' "2nd Coming" are WAITING IN VAIN.

     I'll take your word for it....however i am not waiting for jesus to come
i kind of like it here on earth...living you know...

>          PLANES OF EXISTENCE

>               The physical universe is the LOWEST of AT LEAST a DOZEN
>          major levels of existence.  Above the Physical Plane is the
>          Astral Plane, the Causal Plane, the Mental Plane, the Etheric
>          Plane (often counted as the upper part of the Mental Plane),
>          the Soul Plane, and several higher Spiritual Planes.  The
>          Soul Plane is the FIRST TRUE HEAVEN, (counting upward from
>          the Physical).  The planes between (but NOT including) the
>          Physical and Soul Planes are called the Psychic Planes.

i'll take your word on it...since I don't know all of the plains in the order
that you know them...or appear to.

>               It is likely that ESP, telepathy, astrological
>          influences, radionic effects, biological transmutations [see
>          the 1972 book with that title.], and other phenomena without
>          an apparent physical origin, result from INTERACTIONS between
>          the Psychic Planes and the Physical Plane.

>               The major planes are also SUB-DIVIDED.  For example, a
>          sub-plane of the Astral Plane is called "Hades", and the
>          Christian Hell occupies a SMALL part of it, created there
>          LESS THAN 2000 YEARS AGO by the EARLY CATHOLIC CHURCH by some
>          kind of black magic or by simply teaching its existence in a
>          THREATENING manner.  The Christian "Heaven" is located
>          elsewhere on the Astral Plane.  Good Christians will go there
>          for a short while and then REincarnate back to Earth.

      Yeah right.

>          SOUND CURRENT vs. BLIND FAITH

>               The Christian religion demands of its followers an
>          extraordinary amount of BLIND FAITH backed up by little more
>          than GOOD FEELING (which is TOTALLY DECEIVING).

      true to a point.

>               If a person is not HEARING some form of the "SOUND
>          CURRENT" ("THE WORD", "THE BANI", "THE AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"),
>          then his cycles of REINCARNATION in this MISERABLE world WILL
>          CONTINUE.

>               The "SOUND CURRENT" manifests differently for different
>          Initiates, and can sound like a rushing wind, ocean waves on
>          the sea shore, buzzing bees, higher-pitched buzzing sound,
>          various heavenly music, or other sounds.  In Eckankar,
>          Members start hearing it near the end of their first year as
>          a Member.  [I am a 2nd Initiate in Eckankar, and well into my
>          5th year of Membership.]  This and other experiences (such as
>          "SOUL TRAVEL") REPLACE blind faith.


   Faith is blind.....maybe that makes it faith....

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>                                            Robert E. McElwaine
      Important?


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