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From: rminor@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: The use of the Bible to argue here
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:32:39 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

It is disappointing to see how the Bible is used so ignorantly in this
news group.  Interpretations of the Bible which amount to some
twentieth-century American way of life approach are used and called
fundamentalism.  When will people who claim to take the Bible
seriously try to study what it meant in the context of its time.
Every discussion of it by someone who doesn't is proof that there is
little rationality around.  As a professor of religious studies, I
require students to do their homework before they argue.  That means
in this case the award-winning historical study by John Boswell,
CHRISTIANITY, SOCIAL TOLERANCE AND HOMOSEXUALITY (University of
Chicago Press).  You don't have to agree with him, but if you are
going to argue what the Bible's view of all this is, you are
thoroughly ignorant of the facts until you read his work.  Some day,
it would be nice to get these discussions on an intelligent level.
Get the facts; then argue.  Current fundamentalism, remember, is an
American phenomena, not a first-century Near Eastern one; and the
interpretations of Leviticus and Paul they use are out of touch with
what those texts actually say.  When will those who claim to take the
Bible seriously take it seriously enough to study it.

In the Boswell book, especially read the chapter called "The
Scriptures" and the Appendix on "The Lexicography of Paul."

In hopes of intelligence in discussion,
From: charlie@isis.mit.edu (Charlie Fulton)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Why I hate Homos
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:16:57 GMT
     <Bxy6Hy.H6C@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Ctr for Advanced Rsrch in Oppressive Binarisms
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

In article <greco.722145078@s1.elec.uq.oz.au> 
The Gereat White Hooter Hunter, greco@elec.uq.oz.au writes:
>I just do, alright.

Q: What's the funniest thing about a gereat white hooter
hunter?

A:  The squishy noise he makes when you crush him into
the pavement with a club.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 00:39:42 GMT

In article <Nov13.183803.57125@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> doug@crevasse.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Doug Cripe) writes:
>
>Whoa, who said anything about denying "basic rights" to anyone?   Read the  
>text of the Amendment again and point to where your basic rights have been  
>denied.  It's protected minority status for homosexuals that was voted  
>down.

"...no claims of discrimination based on sexual orientation."
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:43:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.230922.8206@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> taylorje@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (TAYLOR JASON EDMOND) writes:

>  Speaking of fair-weather gay-rights activists...

Indeed.

>   Notice how the strongest supporters of boycotting Colorado live outside the
>state?

No, not really.  Can you elaborate?

>A boycott is a very easy thing to talk about when it doesn't impact your
>everyday lives, isn't it?

Uh, dumbfuck.  It's a very hard thing to do if you live *in* Colorado.

>   What should those of us who live here do? "Suffer for the cause?"

Move, if you like.  Apologize for the sake of the state.

>   Why don't you "boycott Colorado" people get of your moral high-horses and
>face the facts: you are ALIENATING people like me who were (and in a sense
>still are) loyal to this cause, but are fast becoming disenchanted by your
>short-sighted tactics.

Then I daresay you were never particularly "loyal" to begin with.
Anyone who can be offended by the fight for equal protection under the
law possibly upsetting their nice idyllic applecart is a couple screws
short of a paintgun.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: vanm@col.hp.com (Van Martin)
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:33:41 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>   This, boys and girls, is a person that is astonishing to me that 
> is still alive. How can anybody be this uninformed or maliciously evil?
> If the same level of ignorance were applied to daily life, he would
> be run over by a bus the next time he crossed a busy street.

>     Here is a claim that homosexuals purposely tainted the
> blood supply to get AIDS research money. I don't suppose
> that there is any documentation to substantiate this claim.
> Divine revelations do not count.

  Divine revelation un-necessary, unless you consider the Dallas Gay
  News divine revelation.  Reference:  "Gays, AIDS and You" by Enrique
  Rueda page 17.  1983, before blood screening, Robert Schwab, now
  dead of AIDS suggested in the Dallas Gay News that all gay males
  should give blood, whatever it takes to gain national suupport 
  for AIDS research; if that includes blood terrorism, so be it.

  As I said, very fringe.  Not mainstream, but still there.

  Van "Facts R Us" Martin
  vanm@col.hp.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: ag055@yfn.ysu.edu (Ward Chanley)
Subject: Re: Misogyny gay and straight
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:51:59 GMT


Re: Queer male mysogyny...

This is one of the most idiotic stereo-
types that Het culture has ever created
about us.  Anyone who takes even a 3
second look at any average Gay
community will find that the vast maj-
ority of Gay men adore women.  The 
majority of my friends are Gay and 
straight women.  The presence of 
straight women in Gay spaces (most
often Gay bars) is a tradition that 
both heterosexual and homosexual
cultures recognize.

If you're looking for a culture that
hates women, the Queer one ain't it,
honeys.

-- 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: berninge@radium.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:37:47 GMT

kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
>doug@crevasse.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Doug Cripe) writes:
>>Whoa, who said anything about denying "basic rights" to anyone?   Read the  
>>text of the Amendment again and point to where your basic rights have been  
>>denied.  It's protected minority status for homosexuals that was voted  
>>down.
>"...no claims of discrimination based on sexual orientation."

Dammit, people, read the facts before you post!

From a previous article:

In case you're looking for the text of what's happened, here's an
excerpt from an EPOColorado paper:

5. What does the proposed Colorado for Family Values amendment say?

It would amend Article 2 of the Colorado Constitution by the
addition of Section 30, which states: NO PROTECTED STATUS BASED ON
HOMOSEXUAL, LESBIAN OR BISEXUAL ORIENTATION. Neither the State of
Colorado, through any of its branches or departments, nor any of its
agencies, political subdivisions, municipalities or school
districts, shall enact, adopt or enforce any statute, regulation,
ordinance or policy whereby homosexual, lesbian or bisexual
orientation, conduct, practices or relationships shall constitute or
otherwise be the basis of, or entitle any person or class of persons
to have or claim any minority status, quota preferences, protected
status or claim of discrimination...

Jim Berninger                   ______ "This is no 'Whoops!'  This is
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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Compensation for Gays Ousted from Government Employ
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:02:49 GMT
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA

In article <Bxxt6I.92v@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> I don't know.  What does it do to that argument?  I didn't like
> broccoli, not so long ago.  I do now.  What does that say about
> whether or not I was born with a distaste for broccoli?

  It says that you aren't likely to be a republican nominee
for president any time soon though.
-- 

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From: jspence@cmptrc.lonestar.org (John Spence)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Jesus was gay and John was his lover. (NOT!)
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:46:21 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Nov15.191945.26680@panix.com> jfl@panix.com (Jeff Lipton) writes:
>
>Actually, Jesus was a lesbian, and Mary Magdalene was her lover.
>
>	- Jeff (in a particularly iconoclastic mood this morning)
>
And Jeff is a quack!
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From: ptyaxel@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Seymour Axelrod)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Marc Blitzstein
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:43:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Marc Blitzstein was a composer-lyricist back in the l930s-'50s.  He 
wrote a couple of operas with a left-wing slant, e..g., "The Cradle Will 
Rock", and also an opera ("Regina") based on Lillian Hellman's "The Little 
Foxes."  He may be best known for his English book & lyrics to the Weill-Brecht
"Threepenny Opera", wildly popular in the '50s (Louis Armstrong's version of 
"Mack the Knife" used Blitzstein's version.)  Blitzstein died violently,
apparently murdered, in 1964, and the violence is said to have been related to
his homosexuality.  Can anyone on a.p.h. provide more detail?  Thanks.

--Seymour Axelrod   PTYAXEL@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU
From: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu (John S. Bibb)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Simon you're
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:11:45 GMT
Reply-To: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering


In article 4882@dragon.acadiau.ca, 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Darren MacKenzie) writes:
> jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb) writes:
> 
> >happened.  There have also been recent discussions of college men
> >doing things like getting women drunk and having sexual relations with
> >them while they were not sober enough to consent.
> 
> If she knows that she's drinking enough to impare her judgement, beforehand,
> then she IS giving consent; knowing she won't give it later.
> 
> -Doc


In some states (I believe Florida for example) having sex with someone who is too
intoxicated to give consent IS rape.  Drinking too much in the first place is NOT
consent.  Here in Alabama, it does not matter, as ALL premarital sex is illegal;
consent is not a defense.



Family Value:	1 homoerotic Border Collie (Harken)
		1 pregnant Shar-Pei (Miss Maudine or Miss Thaaang)
		1 Grandfather Clock (Grandfather)
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   email: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu               |_________/        \________|
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A mind is like a parachute---
It only works when it is open ;-)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one)
Subject: Re: Don't Promote it as a lifestyle
Keywords: idiot, wrong, bible
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: alt.politics.homosexuality
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:26:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.230018.13024@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jeff@Turing.ORG (Jeff R. Niford) writes:
>Can someone please take all the Bibles away from those who can't read
>every word?

Haven't you seen the new Pat Robertson bible?

It only has several pages taken from Leviticus, Romans and several other
places. It completely excludes the inconvient books like Mathew, Mark
Luke and John, and ones unsuited for children like songs of Solemen (sp?),
and passages dealing with Davids relationship with his lover.

Any one want to send that bozo a direct translation from hebrew from
the verses about David's relationship :-)

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: wallsj@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey joel walls)
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:53:53 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <BxyB4K.G5B@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>You are honestly crazy to think that she thinks this will happen.

 Sir, I received some mail in my e-mail folder stating that:

 "When the boycott is over, everything will go back to normal and everything
 will be fine."

 How do you interpret that?  Perhaps Melinda doesn't think it will happen,
 but apparantly SOMEONE does!

>>    Yes, there DOES have to be a first step, but I think you should
>> brace yourself for the future...it will be a long one.
>
>Thank you, Mr. Wizard.

 You're welcome.  And with attitudes like yours, it will be even longer!!!
 If you treat everyone like you post, then no wonder people draw bad
 conclusions about gays!

>As a Certified Faggot [tm], I give you full permission to write "GAY
>MONEY" on your tender.  That makes two of us who have encouraged you
>to do so.  Trust me -- no queer is going to be offended by it. :-)

 Peer pressure isn't the answer to life's problems, my friend.  If I
 got *GAY $$$* on my money, I certainly would spend it.  But I don't think
 writing on money is a solution to ANY problem!  You guys have been flaming
 me right and left, but you cannot come up with any SOLUTIONS to your
 problems!  I have at least suggested things that *might* work.  My 
 original stance was that Boycotts are wrong.  My new stance is that
 with attitudes like yours, it will be even longer before a solution is
 found.  Why are you filled with so much mean spiritedness?  

>I'll do no such thing.  I oppose protected status for gays or
>lesbians.  Or even bisexuals, Ghod forbid.

 Please tell me what you think Amendment 2 stated.

>Fortunately, it already passed in Massachusetts (not to mention
>Wisconsin, Hawaii, Connecticut, New Jersey, and Vermont [?]).
 
 I was originally going to write:

   wow 6 out of 50, not a good percentage

 but then I thought, "Well, actually I'm *against* amendment 2, so I should
 be happy about that."  I don't know what to think now.  I'd sure hate to 
 support anyone with an attitude as bad as yours.  I hope you're younger
 than say, 15, because that is how you act.

>Really?  Where?

 Need I say more?

 Jeff

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: rossco@iastate.edu (Ross Stenersen)
Subject: Re: John Greco is an asshole(was: I don't like homos)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:38:22 GMT

ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
>
>elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) says:
>
>>ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
>>
>>>greco@elec.uq.oz.au (John Greco) says:
>>
>>>>   I don't like homos
>>>
>>>   John Greco is an asshole

[dialog deleted]

>How about "John Greco is a shithead"?

How about "John Greco is bored and really needs attention."

Rossco
rossco@iastate.edu                            *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: ckincy@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)
Subject: CONTEST (Don't Promote it as a lifestyle)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:55:06 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Summary: Win a free virtual cookie!!

In article <BxxAvH.4tF@acsu.buffalo.edu> v115r4q5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Perry M Jowsey) writes:
>
>   I understand that homosexuals in today's society face widespread discrimina-
>tion and abuse, but instead of taking a hint, it seems to make the gay commun-
>ity want to be in limelight even more.  America does not wish to see gay pro-
>testors fighting for gay rights and preaching their platform to those who give
>them the time.  While physically assaulting a homosexual may be wrong, these 
>acts are only encouraged by the homosexuals themselves.  If they would take the
>time to realize that their way of living is wrong and more importantly that 
>society doesn't want to hear it falsely declared a lifestyle, they would realize
>the way to combat this discrimination is to adopt a normal kind of lifestyle and
>stop corrupting others.  
> See Old Testament, Leviticus 20:13

I am currently 65 articles behind in this newsgroup.  Anyone care to
wager how many articles I bag if I put the subject line in my 
KILL file?  Anyone?  50?  100?  250?
 
Send your guesses to ckincy@cs.umr.edu.  The winner gets a virtual
cookie.

cpk
Void in Colorado and wherever prohibited by law.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:32:15 GMT

In article <Nov15.215505.16307@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> wallsj@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey joel walls) writes:
>This really pisses me off!  

Well, the Colorado amendment really pisses me off.

As you say, boycotts work.  And I strongly encourage you to
consider whether a boycott will be more threatening to the
livelihood of gay, lesbian, and bisexual Coloradans than
the amendment is.  I also urge you to consider whether it
is, in fact, possible to spend a dime in Colorado without
indirectly supporting the proponents of the amendment,
given the tax-exempt status of churches and given what the
recipients of your dime will do with it after they receive
it (hint:  banks, inventory, etc.).  It's not as simple as
you seem to want it to be.
--
           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
From: ckincy@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)
Subject: Re: why call it hate?
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:47:31 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <of1la5m00aw34BCEYC@andrew.cmu.edu> Erik Karl Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.alt.politics.homosexuality: 15-Nov-92 Re: why call
>it hate? Hot Young Star@buast7.bu (451)
>
>> In article <1992Nov12.002347.5423@nwnexus.WA.COM>
>> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>
>> >In article <1992Nov11.180233.3516@lclark.edu>
>> >      harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison) writes:
>> >
>> >>evil, neo-natzi, all-american gay basher, hate-monger
>
>> >It's spelled "NAZI," Mark.  All in capitals.  It's an acronym
>
>> Actually, Elf, it's an abbrevation for the German words for "national
>> socialist", "nazi" being the first four letters in the German.
>
>> Brian
>
>To be totally accurate, n-a-z-i are not the first four letters.  In
>German it is written "National Socialist," just like in English, but is
>pronounced Naz-yo-nahl  Sohz-ya-list.  Nazi is just a shortened form.

Nationalsozialistischedeutschearbetierspartei.

Pronounced "Na-tsi-o-nahl-zo-tsi-ahl-ih-stih-sheh-doi-cheh-ahr-bye-
tehrs-pahr-tei"

I may have curmudgeoned a few letters, but it is mostly accurate.
The official name for the Nazi parti is abbreviated "NSDAP".
It means "National Socialist German Workers Party."

This has been Reflections on Fascism, with your host, Chuck Kincy.

cpk
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: new ROTC policy includes threat of refund
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:45:23 GMT

[]
From the Ithaca Journal, 21 nov 92:

               	Schroeder Hits Policy

A letter of complaint sent by a Cornell University Naval ROTC
cadet to Colorado Congresswoman Pat Schroeder has prompted her to
ask Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney to suspend a requirement
that all ROTC students sign an affidavit acknowledging
homosexuality is incompatible with military service.

"I consider this inquisitorial affidavit a totally unwarrented
intrusion into the private lives of American citizens," Schroeder
wrote Chaney [sic] this week.

[ ... ]

The ROTC statement is contrary to university policy, which
prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.  In
recent months, members of Cornell's gay community have urged the
removal of ROTC from campus because of its policy on homosexuals.

"We made it clear that we don't like this policy," said Cornell
Vice President Larry Palmer.  "Our hope is that Mr. Clinton is
going to change it."
--
           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general