HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jlawlor@ptdi12.intel.com (Jay Lawlor ~)
Subject: Re: Faulk, 299 yds rushing vs. BYU
Reply-To: jlawlor@ptdcs2.intel.com
Organization: Intel Portland Technology Development
	<92258.105239MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu> <68163@hydra.gatech.EDU>
	<92258.193734MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:03:08 GMT

>>>>> On Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:37:34 EDT, Spiro the Spiny Goldfish <MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu> said:

> Of course, also notice that this 1989 game *was* close (a very high
> scoring game on both sides) and was against a much better BYU squad
> than this year's sorry bunch.
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now, now.  This is the kind of statement that gets taped up in locker
rooms for the defense to read before the game.  You might wait until
AFTER the PSU/BYU game before you get too vocal.  Now if BYU beats
PSU it will be all your fault.

Anyway, the guys who were supposed to have some chance of stopping
Faulk went out with (minor) injury early in the game.  That doesn't
necessarily translate to a whole season of "sorry bunch".

> You really have a chip on your shoulder about the WAC, don't you? If you
> want to bring up strawmen to knock down, go argue with yourself. I don't

Either you know Mark and are sort of joking here or you don't know him
at all.  If you had read many of his articles (usually backed up with
good stats) in this group you'd know he's not some sort of WAC fan (or
fanatic).  More likely he might have a chip on his shoulder AGAINST
Penn St.  But then that's probably what's bothering you. :^)

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From: W0L@psuvm.psu.edu (Bill Lasher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Etiquette Question
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:31:44 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Is it proper to buy/sell/trade tickets in this group?

Many thanks,
Bill
From: lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Marsee Computer Rankings and Predictions for 9/12/92
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:09:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep10.065311.20765@newstand.syr.edu> demarsee@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darryl E. Marsee) writes:
>MARSEE DIVISION I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL COMPUTER RANKINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 09/05/92
>                                                                             
> 28. STANFORD       (652)  64. OHIO STATE     (537) 100. OREGON STATE   (394)
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

OUCH!  That really hurts my feelings!


>                  bowling green  over OHIO STATE     by   2                  
>                                                                             
If this is the case, I will NEVER woof about Ohio State again on the net...

WOOF WOOF    (getting it out while I can)
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From: rszczerb@steinbeck.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Notre Dame
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:56:01 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Sep8.214034.12505@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:
>
>>My brazen prediction:  Notre Dame 28
>>                       Michigan   20
>-- 
>           Susan E. Schudt                    0 0
>     Dept. of Chemical Engineering
>      Goooooooooooooooooo  IRISH!           \_____/
>             Win Twins!


Actually, with all the questions about our defense this year, I predict:

		ND    128
		Mich  120

		Bettis will rush for 786 yards.


			- Rob
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: lou holtz should be drawn and quartered
Reply-To: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:13:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.134058.8357@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep14.040848.12093@en.ecn.purdue.edu> lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu
>(Patrick W Lauson) writes:
>>One question:  Could somebody who taped this game PLEASE check and see who
>>got the ball first in the first half?  I must be losing my mind completely,
>>b/c I was sure I heard the announcer say that ND had elected to receive in
>>the first half.  Then, they got the ball first in the 2nd half as well..
>>Somebody please clarify this for me, before I go nuts!
>>
>
>Notre Dame won the toss and deferred til the second half.  Michigan decided to 
>kick off.  Notre Dame decided to receive in the second half. :)


I assuming this was a mistake by the Michigan coaches. Why else
would they have chosen to kick off first when Notre Dame had deferred
their decision to the second half?

KRM





Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 07:07:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.225511.16456@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson) writes:
>
>Thru the years us Husker fans have learned to fear, respect, dislike, as well
>as like Oklahoma. So far us Husker fans pretty much only dislike CU.   ;^)

Like we care? get real!
The only thing that matters is who wins!

>>>>Talking about Miami, I find it amusing that the Hurricanes fell victim to a
>>>>Hurricane! Hmm... maybe it's time they changed their name...
>
>
>Do you know Njan personally? Did he have some personal stake in the hurricane
>that gives him the need for "an outlet of shock" as humor?

Does it matter what I think about the incident? It is still humor.

>I just don't think it is appropriate, thats all. I think it's Njan who should
>"lighten up".

Do you really think that I care what you (or anyone else) think about my joke
being appropriate? (or, what you think about me?) Get real!

Since you refered to my views about the mishap, I might as well be open
about it. Yes, I'm rather insensitive about things that doesn't affect me
directly... (and I believe most people are... the ones who act otherwise
are just being hypocritical) Also, I've known disasters (natural and man-
made) which were much more severe than hurricane Andrew which makes it
even less important in my eyes.

But then, my feelings about this is not something which is appropriate to be
discussed here as it doesn't have anything to do with football (but my joke
did, as it was about Miami football) So why don't we all stick to football?

> M_Henderson               | "Could you please continue the petty bickering?
> Marty Henderson           |  I find it most intriguing."   ---    Data, 
> Woodland Park, Colorado   |  Star Trek, The Next Generation, "Haven"

Njan
From: godfrey@cs.washington.edu (Garr Godfrey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: What happened to the Huskies?
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:17:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Sep12.145608.4003@stortek.com> roush@stortek.com (Jeff Roush) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.225905.19854@u.washington.edu> dokken@u.washington.edu writes:
>>First, I have a question.
>>Does anybody know how many Washington players made the NFL this year?

>>Did I leave anyone out?
>
>Lewis - Broncos
Greg Lewis played for the Huskies in 1990, and is now in his 2nd year at
Denver.
>
>Jeff_Roush@stortek.com
>my opinions are my own...


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* Garr Godfrey
*   Any opinions expressed are someone else's. I take no responsibility.
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From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cal 14 v. Purdue 41
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:53:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <jrnf.716497200@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> jrnf@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Jeffrey R.N. Forbes) writes:
>Let's see what foresight is exibited by our net
>prognosticators:
>
>sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) mistakenly writes:
>
>>I can't see Cal winning by less than 20 at Purdue...
>                 ^^^^^^^
>Did he possibly mean losing by less than 20?
>Then Scott Davis has the nerve to write:
>
>>...the only Cal question is the pass defense...
>
>Let's see... The run defense looked mighty porous, special teams
>was pretty sorry, and the offense was effective in garbage time.
>The only question is whether Cal can come back from this and have
>a season worthy of continued membership in the PAC-10?
>
>Finally, bnoble+@cs.cmu.edu (Brian Noble) insightfully writes:
>>We got our butts kicked.  We Got Our Butts Kicked.
>>   ****** WE GOT OUR BUTTS KICKED! ******
>
>Basically, the conclusion which can drawn from this game is:
>  CAL SUCKS!!!! (always has and always will)
>
>The question that remains is:
>  Should Stanford bothering traveling to the dark side
>  of the bay to play the BIG MISMATCH or should we
>  just rest up for the Rose Bowl???? :-)

  Ok Jeff, you have just put a voodoo Woof curse on your beloved Cardinal
team; kicking Cal while they are down will jinx your team, 'cause believe
me what goes around comes around.  Cal wanted to lose a game early to take
the heat off of them, until the end of the season where they will come on
strong and make it to the Rose Bowl :-) :-)

Woofing about your team and they haven't even played Washington, UCLA, 
Notre Dame, or Cal yet???   When the Cardinal takes that fall, and they will, 
all the fellow farmhands in Palo Alto can point to you as the person who 
jinxed Walsh and the trees.  Stanford, as a result of your jinx, will go 
8-4 for the season and be sitting at home on New Year's Day.


   Doug
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: TOP 10 TEAMS: WHO HAS THE EASIEST SCHEDULE?
Keywords: n
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:02:48 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production

I think this thread is really useless..  You won't know who really had
the toughest/lightest schedule in the country until say Jan 2, when 
you can look back and see how everyone did...

cmuck
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: godfrey@cs.washington.edu (Garr Godfrey)
Subject: Huskies 31 ASU 7
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 06:07:37 GMT

With 3 called back touchdowns, the reigning national champs managed to
dominate the devils.  Look for Napolean Kaufman to move up....

-Garr
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* Garr Godfrey
*   Any opinions expressed are someone else's. I take no responsibility.
*   godfrey@cs.washington.edu
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: WHAT HAPPENED TO CAL??!!
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:18:51 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West) writes:


>I realize I am leaving myself open to flames from all over the country, but
>oh well:

>This Purdue/Cal result is more distressing to Northwestern students (those
>that actually follow football AND root for our team) than our own 49-0
>trouncing this week by Boston College, because Purdue was thought to be one
>of the teams that our team could beat this year.  My last hope is that
>California is as overrated now as Illinois was when our team beat them last
>year...

Go figger ...

Cal beats San Jose State 46-16
Purdue beats Cal 41-14
San Jose State beats Minnesota 39-30

Unfortunately, Northwestern doesn't play Minnesota. 

Was Cal "overrated"?  It depends.  They were ranked #17 based
on last year, the win over San Jose, and the talent on the team.
Any team is capable of playing lousy on one given Saturday, and
Cal sure proved that against Purdue.  They are capable of playing
much, much better.  If Cal comes back and beats Kansas and
goes on to win say 6 more games (8 wins total), then no,
they were not overrated.   I thought that Cal would beat
Purdue, but that was based on predictions from the "experts"
about how good a team the Boilermakers were.  Purdue is obviously
a much better team than expected.

Of course, if you believe the people on the net who woofed that 
Cal deserved a top 10 ranking (I was not one of them), then yes,
the Bears were overrated.  With such major questions at offensive
line and QB, (not answered yet) I could not see Cal as a top
10 team.

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From: ds4@soc13.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: TOP 10 TEAMS: WHO HAS THE EASIEST SCHEDULE?
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:12:38 GMT

jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li) writes:
|> 
|> 	In the Top 10 teams, who has the easiest schedule? 
|> 	UW?
|> 	Texas A&M?
|> 	FSU?


	I believe, Sporting News ranked Washington's schedule in the worst five
in the nation (the only top ten team), and ranked Miami and I think Notre-Dame
in the top 5 toughest schedules.
From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: WHAT HAPPENED TO CAL??!!
Keywords: n
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:29:56 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production

In article <SCOTT.92Sep12215449@graft.berkeley.edu> scott@graft.berkeley.edu (Scott Silvey) writes:
>
>
>The Bear will not quit, the Bear will not die...
>
>woof woof

yeah, but he sure smelled dead on saturday...  :-/

cmuck
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: UCLA 92
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:38:05 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka) writes:


>I wonder why Long Beach State is not on the [UCLA] schedule this year ?
>I use to enjoy that game a great deal

That would be tough, since the 49ers no longer have a football team.
Then again, that doesn't stop UCLA. (They're playing Fullerton
this weekend.)


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From: marsden@ioctl.cs.fsu.edu (Jonathan Marsden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Weekly top 25 (FSU down, UF up)
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:54:31 GMT
Reply-To: marsden@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science

In article <1992Sep8.163713.3811@cs.ucf.edu> tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.035956.11117@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> azzarito@cse.fau.edu (Doug Azzarito) writes:
>>      -----=====< The A.P. Top 25 >=====-----
>>THIS LAST
>>WEEK WEEK  SCHOOL      W L T  Results of Last Game        Next Game
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   .    .     .          . . .   .  .   .    .  .          .    .        .
>> 4    6  Florida       0 0 0                             at Kentucky, 9/12
>> 5    4  Florida St    1 0 0  WON v. Duke, 48-21         at Clemson, 9/12
>> 6    5  Michigan      0 0 0                             at Notre Dame, 9/12
> 
>I know it's useless to ask this question but I'm going to anyhow. Can
>someone explain to me, why FSU can post a respectable win over Duke
>and fall one notch in the poll, while the gators rise two after beating
>no one?

I didn't think the FSU win over Duke was _all_ that impressive.  Charlie
Ward threw 4 interceptions and fumbled the ball once (first game jitters).
Also, Duke had receivers wide open in the end zone a couple of times for
easy scores.  I noticed that many of the top teams struggled early in their
first games (e.g., wasn't it 14-7 ND over Northwestern at the half?).  Bobby
Bowden will work out most of the kinks this week in preperation for Clemson.
BTW, I believe that Florida had only one more point in the "total points"
than FSU (1261 to 1260 -- I think?  I saw it this morning and didn't try to
commit it memory).  This can go back and forth until the UF-FSU game in
November (or until one team takes an "L").

Jonathan Marsden
(marsden@cs.fsu.edu)
From: ds4@soc1.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Marsee Computer Rankings and Predictions for 9/12/92
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:01:34 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <3pyn54-.alc@netcom.com>, alc@netcom.com (Chris Stassen) writes:

|> I don't think that was Bill's point.  It is my opinion (and maybe what
|> Bill was getting at as well), that most of the people who whine about
|> the power rating systems: 1) have never tried to run one themselves,
|> and 2) probably can't out-predict the very system that they're complaining
|> about.

	Again, if someone post something, no matter what it is, the post is open 
to scrutiny by anyone.....even your and Bill's whining :)

|> Before you complain about the basis for the system (not even knowing
|> what it is), why don't you demonstrate at least that your own ability
|> to predict is superior to the program's?  Darryl's system finished
|> ahead of more than half of the human entrants in last year's college
|> pool.

	If you read my post closely, you would notice that I stated that I do
not know how they are arriving at the rankings the get, and would like to see
what they account for.  Plus, when did I rag on Darryl's system???? Can't do that
till I see it :), until then,

~ds4
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: Faulk, 299 yds rushing vs. BYU
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:36:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.142212.15733@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> lein@base.UUCP (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322) writes:
>even with Blair or Curt, they rarely carried more than 25 a game, only when
>the game was close, Faulk would rarely gain more than 150 a game if he played
>for a PSU, ND, Michigan... there's more talent to share the ball with.

Ahh, the memories...

Sure Sanders is a great back, but he would rarely gain more than 150 a game
if he played for a PSU, ND, Michigan.


- goober (sure goober is a great goober, but he would be just one of the
          goobers at a psu or a psu or a psu) smith
From: marsden@ioctl.cs.fsu.edu (Jonathan Marsden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: lou holtz should be drawn and quartered
Date: 12 Sep 92 23:17:47 GMT
Reply-To: marsden@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science

In article <JOHNDOE92Sep12.171012@asp.inmet> johndoe@asp.inmet (johndoe) writes:
>his excuse to the nbc reporter minutes ago was that he wanted to see what
>coverages michigan was going to be in.  bullshit.
>
>if he wanted to rush for a first down and see what the coverages were going
>to be, he should have been running pass-action-draws.  instead, he was
>running straight running plays out of a regular set backfield.  notre dame
>let the clock run for 15 seconds after the penalty.  he gave his players no
>chance to win the game.

Lou seemed so sincere when speaking to the NBC reporter...  Yeah, right!
And I'm sure he would have called the exact same plays if ND was losing with
a minute to go.  The sad part about this is that both teams will probably
not move in the standings.  Playing for a tie is gutless.  Let's see
overtime!

Jonathan Marsden
(marsden@cs.fsu.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Notre Dame
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:15:33 GMT

In article <BuCpv8.9xC@ais.org> ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) writes:
> 

Regarding last year's performance of Elvis Grbac:

> And one of those incomplete passes was simply thrown away.  I was 
> expecting an intentional grounding call.  Basically, he completed 
> all but one of his sincerely attempted passes. 

Sincerely Attempted Passes!  I love it.  A new stat and a new
acronym.

Player                     Att     Compl.   SAP
Elvis Grbac                 22       20      21

I believe we must integrate this stat into the QB Rating formula.
Please post QB rating for Elvis using the old formula and compare
to the new formula.  In the meantime let me nominate Mr. Grbac
for the 1991 ND/UM SAP Award.

> Steve_Johnston@um.cc.umich.edu          NCAA Nat'l. Champs to be


-- 
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From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND-PSU Tickets
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:58:24 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <92253.083537JXO8@psuvm.psu.edu>
JXO8@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>
>Looking for 4 ND-PSU tickets.  If you can assist please E-Mail me
>Thanks.  I know it's almost impossible, but, it's worth the try.

According to the Blue and Gold Illustrated (a hometown rag that writes
exclusively about ND), from their "tickets" section of the ads:
There are 32 entries.
 16 are "will trade" entries
 15 are "tickets wanted" entries
  1 "for sale" (ND vs. Northwestern

Good luck.  Do you know Jesus, by any chance?  Your odds would go up
marginally.
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A college player's thoughts on a stipend...
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:13:56 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick) wrote:
}
}                                         ... a standard monthly stipend seems
}eminently reasonable. The only potential problem lies in the fact that the vast
}majority of athletic departments operate in the red.

The red ink for college athletics is purely contrived.  In order to be a member
of Division I-A, you have to support a very large number of minor sports.
Cutting one or two of these would easily free up enough funds to give the
players a stipend.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
 "There was such speed in her little body, and such lightness in her
    footfall, it is no wonder her brown study astonishes us all."
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