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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 92 12:54:52 CST
From:         GA3662@SIUCVMB.BITNET
Subject:      Conflamugrations
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At the risk of further inflaming Mervyn, I have had no trouble
copying things from blocked text to the command line with no
trouble at all.  Well, a little trouble.  I just got, on CDROM,
an enormous database of phonetically transcribed English along with
sound wave files and assorted additional stuff.  All the text is
filled with HEX 0A characters, which you can't see in normal mode,
but which show up as little G's in boxes in NB expanded mode.  They
are apparently the equivalent of carriage returns (LIST treats them
that way).  I used CI, but couldn't type the character in on the
command line.  So I marked it and moved it uneventfully to the
(sorry) action line, then did the change--no problem.  ci \funny G\
shift+alt+CR\ and it worked perfectly.  On the other hand, typing in
its ascii number (10, I think) gave a `not found' message.  Go
figure...
On the other hand, my PC had a heart attack yesterday, and required
a complete reformatting (fortunately the repair shop could back it
up on tape first).  Then the dishwasher died.  And the remote control
on the TV started turning the TV on at inopportune moments (3 AM, for
example)...  So maybe I'll stay away from electrical objects for a few
days.
     Geoff Nathan               ga3662@siucvmb.siu.edu
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From:         Dorothy Day <DAY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      welcome to XyWrite users!

On Sat, 12 Dec 92 20:47:16 GMT, GOCH000 <GOCH@UNB.CA> writes:

>I am a XyWrite/Signature user. I *believe* XPL is the same for my
>programs as NB. I have seen an XPL program called "hardcode.pgm" from
>XyQuest.
>...
>If anyone has access
>to XyQuest, you might check it out. Apparently we're all in this
>together now!
>
>Myron

I'm sure the entire membership of the NOTABENE welcomes the addition
of all XyWrite users who would like to join forces and share questions
and expertise.

The list has evolved over the years from one guru and many questions
to many responders to far more questions.

While discussion may seem to get stuck for a while on the latest
release from NBI, the range of questions (and responses) overall is
broad enough to accomodate anyone looking for answers to formatting
or printing problems or new XPL tricks, DOS or Windows or Desqview
quirks (and even some OS/2) as they interract with NB/XyWrite.

We may use different Function key mappings, but our commonalities
far outweigh our difference. We can only be enriched by joining
together. Welcome!

Dorothy Day, Indiana University
Bitnet: DAY@IUBACS
Internet: day@ucs.indiana.edu
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 92 00:27:10 DST
From:         "Nicolai Winther-Nielsen" <INNWN@VM2.UNI-C.DK>
Subject:      One orbis and then dead
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A new orbis problem:
A friend called me to ask for advice on orbis. He seems to have followed all pr
ocedures of building, picking etc, as set out by the manual of Takkala. He gets
 one hit, defines, transfers, and searches for the next - and then reboot. Anyb
ody knows a cure?
Nicolai
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From:         M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: hyphen in Orbis
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              University of Helsinki," at Dec 18, 92 6:43 pm

J-P,

Get a load of this, stick it into nbcustom.set, and away we go!
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Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
Phone: (+44) (0) 392 263 161
Postal Address: Amory Building, Rennes Drive, Exeter EX4 4RJ, Devon, U.K.
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From:         robert kelly F <rkelly3@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Deprovements, etc.
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>In our department, we have a saying: "If it is not neccessary to
>change, it is necessary __NOT__ to change."

Mervyn, I'm ashamed of you.  If we had all taken this approach, there would
have been no NB 1 or 2 or 3, let alone 4.  After all, computers, let alone
e-mail networks, are hardly necessary changes; the world of academia did
fine with typewriters and mimeographs, or with a nice stylus and parchment
for all that.  Granted that NB 4 is not The-Reign-of-God-on-Earth, it beats
a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:10:48 IST
From:         PARKINSN@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA
Subject:      Re: Typewriter mode lockup
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Well, some things in 4.0 are problematic, but there is no comparison between
the upgrade to 3.0 from 2.0 and the one to 4.0 from 3.1.  Nota Bene, and the
world, is simply more complex.  I've been on the phone with NBI a few times
and have resolved most problems.  I have faith in the future, more now than
a few months ago.  Most problems Mervyn reports have to do with a couple of
things he really likes, and all of us have our like and dislikes, but 4.0
is still flexible enough to compensate for this.  Some people bemoan the loss
of the "info" command.  That's a drag, but I hardly ever used it because the
manual was simply better.  I think it's still too early to pass judgment on
4.0 since NBI are aware of many problems and are working to fix them.  And,
for the academic, it simply does so much more than those "other" programs.
There, I've voiced my opinion, and now I'm setting "nomail" for a week
while I go on vacation!
Ted Parkinson
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ontario
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Date: 16 Dec 92 14:17:00 GMT
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I have not started serious use of NB4, so this suggestion may be way off base.
(All the problems discussed on the list have made me extra cautious. The
Christmas break is my target time for "getting serious" about NB4. -- end of
caveat). However, your problem sounds like something that I have encountered
in spreadsheet and other programs that offer to eject a page or perform a
form feed after every print job. Is there a similar feature turned on and
lurking within NB4? If so, I would presume that it could be turned off.
FWIW.

Brian Durell
University of Toronto
intentbd@utoroise
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 92 23:18:50 IST
From:         GLDBRGJO@NYUACF.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Spell Checker and Hebrew
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Aaron,r
I never paid attention to the connection between this hang up and the three
Hebrew letters which you mention "lamed", "chet" or "Gimmel", but I have also
experienced this phenomenon of the program stopping and displaying the message
'working ...'.  I have just sat back and waited and every time, though it has
probably taken anywhere from 20-60 seconds, I never actually timed it, the
spell checker does continue about its business.  One of us should report this
to NB whatever their name is and see if they know about it, or can add it
to their list, which hopefully exists, of problems to fix.  I have never
actually had this fault crash my system.

Yechiel Goldberg
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From:         Michael Dick <DICK@SIENA.BITNET>
Subject:      Bugs etcs.
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I know that Steve of NBI was keeping a computer file of bugs that people
reported top him at the SBL/AAR convention in San Francisco. May I add to the
list two problems. They probably are not "bugs" or even "buglets", just
ill-conceived deprovements:
1. I sorely miss the info and help files of NB 3.1. I tried to work with
columns and missed an overview screen on how to insert lines etc. that we used
to have.

2. I absolutely despise, hate, deplore, reject, etc. (I'm not using the
Thesaurus here since it always says insufficient memory any way) the way NB4
handles columns. I wrote a "matching test" yesterday (I realize it's a
pedagogical cop-out!) and thought I would go crazy trying to handle the
cursor; it's so very poorly designed. I used to use it a lot, but now....
The use of home and end keys in this "novel" way introduces a element of
unanticipateable spontaneity in cursor control.

        Michael Dick (DICK@SIENA)
        Siena College
        Loudonville, NY

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From:         robert kelly F <rkelly3@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Typewriter mode lockup
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Mervyn,

I, too, am having trouble switching from keystrokes and combinations which
had become habitual.  Remember, though, that some of these changes have come
about so that NB 4 will be more functional for Lingua users.  If you don't
use Lingua and never will, you may be able to change the keyboard to work
like the NB 3.1 keyboard did (or, does, since I haven't quite been able to
give it up myself).

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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 92 18:02:22 EST
From:         Dorothy Day <DAY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Printing multiple copies

I have successfully printed multiple copies under NB4 on an HP IIIsi,
so I don't think the problem is general. I *think* I've also done it
on the Toshiba 321SL, but am less certain, since I usually save
mutliples for the on-campus HP.


Of course, the inability to print multiple copies of selected page
ranges has carried over to NB4 from NB3--you can't have both
simultaneously. One would hope that this is one of the refinements
that will be addressed when the bugs are conquered (wouldn't want to
create new bugs just yet).

Dorothy Day
day@indiana.edu
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From:         "William H. TeBrake" <TEBRAKE@MAINE.BITNET>
Subject:      NB4 Deprovements or Improvements?
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After using NB4 exclusively now for more than a month, I have come to
like it quite a bit, even though my original reaction to some of the
changes was less than enthusiastic.  A case in point: the changes
associated with Ctrl-5 (keypad).  I find having all 'go-to's' at one
location, with the possibility of repeating the last 'go-to' by pressing
Alt-5 (keypad) very nice.  And the undelete buffer now able to hold the
last five deletes -- has saved my skin repeatedly.  These two changes
alone, in my humble opinion, far outweigh all of the 'deprovements'
encountered so far, though I do look forward to the fully-functional
ORBIS and the removal of all confirmed bugs.
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 92 11:04:54 EST
From:         J.BERG@ACAD.SUFFOLK.EDU
Subject:      doubles again
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I have started getting double messages again--but only from Itamar
Even-Zohar.  Is this happening to anyone else?

John Berg
j.berg@acad.suffolk.edu
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              Dec16, 92 12:54 pm

GA3662@EARN.SIUCVMB wrote........
>
>
> At the risk of further inflaming Mervyn, I have had no trouble
> copying things from blocked text to the command line with no
> trouble at all.

I have localised this to a string of hard spaces, Geoff.......

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Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
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Subject:      real words
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Say: degrade, downgrade, worsen, spoil ....
Tim Moore
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From:         "Mark D. Szuchman, History,
              Florida Int. Univ." <SZUCHMAN@SERVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      LaserTwin 5.0 & NB
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For those who have dot matrix printers or laser printers (HP or other brands),
a software product called Laser Twin 5.0 is available to emulate the scalable
sizes and type faces of the HP III.  i tested the product yesterday using NB4
and a NEC P2200XE and can report success.  For readers of PC Magazine, there
is a sidebar on this product about two issues back dealing with the ninth
annual printer megareview.
The software can and normally does act as a TSR, occupying 29k of conventional
memory or zero when loaded high, and can be unloaded, leaving no residues.
The installation process calls for the printer that one is really using and
noth much else.  Then, in NB, you install and activate the driver for the
HP-III, and type as normall, placing all the typefaces and point sizes you
need or want or think you want.  Once you use the F9 Print F10 commands, a
window appears from within NB4 reporting Laser Twin's progress in sending the
output to your printer, which soon begins to produce text.  One can also
printo to disk for subsequent printouts.
The upside is obvious:  one is no longer limited to the fonts of one's own non
HP-III printers.
The downside is the slower rate of output, since the process consists of an
interception of the HP-III drivers of your software, the interpretation of the
page, and then the output to your printer.  In the NEC P2200XE, the printhead
makes two passes, and one must assume that the same will occur with other
printers -- after all, how else can a dot-matrix printer come up with the
quality and density of laser fonts?
Finally, the offer includes Laser Twin's softfonts that emulate every HP
cartridge from A to Z plus 9 others ("SuperFonts 25+9").
The price is $79.95 plus shipping.  Tech support is available (not an
800 number), and, of course, an 800 number is avaliable for sales:  (800)
697-6971.  The person at the other end of the line when I called was also able
to answer some technical questions I had prior to purchase.  The list of
compatible printers is very long and includes laser jets, desk jets, bubble
jets, and, of course, dot matrix printers.
Mark D. Szuchman, History, FIU
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Subject:      Re: Flickering LCD on Sharp
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              9210:03 am

Robert Braham wrote........
>
> I've just loaded up NB4 w/ lingua, etc., on a [now-orphaned]
> Sharp pc-6200, (20 MB, no floppy, 286 CPU, "internal VGA").
>
> The screen flickers terribly, something it didn't do w/ NB3.
>
> Is this a case of Itamar's "lighter" version--I could live
> without Lingua on the laptop.  Ive tried selecting different
> symbol sets, but nothing changed besides those symbols.
>

Have you tried f1-s-o-s-v, and the settings this offers?

Have you tried fiddling with the startup switches (/m, /g, /n or /b):
one of these might be the answer.

Errrrh, Robert, what's an "orphaned" computer? I just ask
diffidently and out of mild curiosity....


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              92 2:29 pm

robert kelly F wrote........
>
>
>
> >In our department, we have a saying: "If it is not neccessary to
> >change, it is necessary __NOT__ to change."
>
> Mervyn, I'm ashamed of you.  If we had all taken this approach, there would
> have been no NB 1 or 2 or 3, let alone 4.  After all, computers, let alone
> e-mail networks, are hardly necessary changes; the world of academia did
> fine with typewriters and mimeographs, or with a nice stylus and parchment
> for all that.  Granted that NB 4 is not The-Reign-of-God-on-Earth, it beats
> a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.
>
> --
>

Ah, Bob.... but something demonstrably better creates a problem by its
existence, and it becomes necessary to change accordingly in order to
solve it!

NB4 is as you say; but it is also better than NB3. My problem is not
the whole, but parts thereof where change seems to have been of
uncertain value. But Ken Salzberg demonstrates that I stand on ground
less firm than I thought.
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From:         "J-P Takala, University of Helsinki,
              Sociology" <JTAKALA@FINUHA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: hyphen in Orbis
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Mervyn,
  Thanks, but cannot find lines in nb3.default.set defining separators,
or anywhere else.  I have a vague idea I have seen them somewhere
and would like to find them.
However, as far as Orbis goes, I'm quite pleased with being able
to treat double names with hyphens as legitimate keywords.  I don't
want to change, me, but maybe someone else would.  Did I sound (look)
ironic?
j-p
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From:         Glenn Everett <IVAA@UTMARTN.BITNET>
Subject:      NB4 Deprovements
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I second Mervyn's uneasiness, in specific regard to the following
points:
>
>                      if I once could but now can't put a string of
> hard spaces on the action line, I have a problem; if I have to use two
> keystrokes to find a label when I used one, I have a problem
>                        if it's more complicated (when once it was
> simple) to upper-case or lower-case or capitalise, then I have a
> problem. There are so many lovely new features in v. 4; but why has
> NBI made changes which are not improvements?
>
Like others on the list, I have been cautious about converting
whole-heartedly to version 4 because I know my way around version 3 so
well and BECAUSE OF THE LOSS OF THE _INFO_ COMMAND (sorry for shouting).
Other modifications I might be able to live with, but I cannot in V4
find out how to do some things without fumbling through screen after
screen.  Although I have been an enthusiastic Notabenerus since v.2,
I, too, find myself unable to recommend NB4 to colleagues looking for
something better than WP.  Mervyn's complaints, based as they are on his
longer experience, reassure me in my own uneasiness.

> This is
> the first time I respond with unease and doubts to a new version.
> Previously, new versions were unqualified improvements; now I find
> myself mourning the loss of features.

The plumber in Kay Boyle's "The Astronomer's Wife" reassures Mrs. Ames,
"Ah, come, now, . . There's a remedy for every ill, you know.  Sometimes
it may be that, . . or sometimes the other thing.  But there's always a
help for everything a-miss."

Can our plumbers at NBI promise as much?

Glenn Everett
English Dept.
Univ. of Tennessee at Martin
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From: Allan Needell

Rob,

I continue to have no end of problems with the link(now ms) feature. As in
NB3.1 my document soon begins to center all of the printing. I know I should
be adding some delta or other at the end of each file, but I forget which one.
I still reserve the ms feature for generating working Tables of Contents, and
print each chapter separately (with SP deltas added and continually updated).

Allan Needell
National Air & Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560  (BITNET: NASSH100@SIVM)
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