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From: hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill)
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor's "I Predict 1990" (was Re: Dancing with commitment)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:52:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.184819.18890@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com
(andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>>And by the way, I really loved Steve Taylor's last album, 'I Predict 1990',
>>released in 1989 and produced by the Beaufort twins.
>>
>>That was a great album; some of his best, as far as I was concerned. 
>
>Hmm.  Let me express some mild disagreement here.  I've been reading
>positive comments about Steve for a long time in this newsgroup, so
>I recently took the plunge and bought my first ST album.  It happened
>to be "I Predict 1990."
>
[stuff deleted]
>
>So it's not all doom and gloom.  But I guess I'm curious as to whether
>"I Predict 1990" is typical of Steve's work.  I'm intrigued enough
>that I'm willing to check out the other albums.  But let's put it
>this way:  if there were more guitars, I might be more intrigued.

IMO, _I_Predict_1990_ was his darkest album, in terms of sarcasm and musical
style (not that I know the first thing about musical style - my patented
Andy Whitman Art-o-Meter's batteries are dead.  But his earlier stuff is
lighter.  Don't know for sure about "more guitars", tho.  I don't usually
analyze music even to that extent (well, I guess I do, actually - I like
certain MWS songs, f'rinstance, with neat guitar lines in them; and his
latest album doesn't have nearly so many as I like, with too many synths
instead).  Let me thus rephrase that:  His songs didn't stand out as having
too much or too little of any type of instrument.  (With the possible
exception of "Am I in Sync?" - a must-hear!!)  I'd recommend you try to
borrow _Meltdown_ (altho it's not out on CD any more, I hear (I have mine,
tho!  Nyah nyah nyah!  :^b  :^) :^) :^)  )) and _On_the_Fritz_.  Also, his
"greatest hits" album, _The_Best_We_Could_Find_ (w/additional subtitling)
has (on CD version) his complete first 6-song EP in addition to the regular
(read:  tape) material.

>>Scott "Abstinence is underrated, but tedious" Naylor

Amen, brother!

			--Michael

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From: SysOp@narnia.UUCP (Jim Vestal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Re: Christian music club
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:39:37 GMT
Organization: Narnia BBS


> Not true, not true.  You're much better going with a mail-order house that
> runs a retail store as well.  Such a place is Christian Book & Supply in
> Massachussetts (I think there are others).  All CD's $10.98-$11.98 (some
> lower), $2.00 P&H for the 1st, $.50 each thereafter and a free CD with
> every 5 purchased.  Beats the heck out of retail.  And they're toll-free.
> I've always had good luck with them.
What's the toll-free number for Christian Book and Supply?

Thanks,

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From: jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor's "I Predict 1990" (was Re: Dancing with commitment)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 00:47:10 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

>Maybe not so surprisingly, the guitar-based, up-tempo songs worked
>best for me.  "Jim Morrison's Grave" and "I Blew Up the Clinic Real
>Good" worked just fine.  And some of the synth-based songs - "Since
>I Gave Up Hope I Feel a Lot Better" and "The Jung and the Restless" -
>were just too clever not to like.  

>And that's why I need to express my disagreement in relatively mild
>terms.  The guy *does* write wonderful lyrics.  And, for reasons
>I can't explain, I feel drawn to someone who does sarcastic send-ups
>of Psychotherapy as Religion and Despair as a Fashion Statement.  
>He manages to be pretty funny, too.

>So it's not all doom and gloom.  But I guess I'm curious as to whether
>"I Predict 1990" is typical of Steve's work.  I'm intrigued enough
>that I'm willing to check out the other albums.  But let's put it
>this way:  if there were more guitars, I might be more intrigued.

>Andy Whitman

Well, Andy (may I call you Andy?), do yourself a favor and save your
money; I'm not sure Taylor even knew what a guitar was prior to I Predict.
His early work is driven almost completely by synthesizers in that very
dated "Look Ma, new technology" way that was so popular in the early 80s.
Moreover, while the lyrics are no doubt clever, I find that after awhile
that becomes a distraction. It's like a comedy album--the same old jokes
get tired after just a few listens. This is magnified in Taylor's work
because he has a tendency to be topical. A few years later when the issues
are no longer at the front of everyone's mind, you're kind of left
wondering what the point of it all was.

Essentially, I think Steve Taylor is going to wind being remembered more
for what he allowed others to do (by helping to break down some of the
walls that had limited Christian music) than for his own work. Time just
hasn't been kind to Steve's music (and I used to love the stuff).

Others will no doubt disagree, but if I were you, I would save your money.

john streck
jmstreck@u.washington.edu
From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor and CDs
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:06:37 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan26.081303@sunserver.nswc.navy.mil> scapita@sunserver.nswc.navy.mil (Sam Capitano (N811)) writes:
>
>To add yet another comment to the discussion:
>
>Someone (not sure who because I lost the post--Sorry!) mentioned that
>Steve Taylor's "I Want to be a Clone" is not available on CD.  Well, for
>all you fans who were ready to run out and buy it, and then were
>disgruntled to hear this news, not to fear.  I happen to own a copy of
>"I Want to be a Clone" on CD, ergo it must be available on CD.

OK, here i go again with my semi-annual posting of what is and isn't available
on CD from Steve Taylor.

I Want to be a Clone was reissued on $9.98 cd about a year or more ago.
Meltdown was on CD but is now out of print.  I have it.  I won't sell it.
On the Fritz was on CD but is now out of print.  See comment above.
(Meltdown Remixes was included on the Meltdown CD.  I forgot to mention that.)
Limelight is on tape and video, but not CD.  Both are out of print anyway.
I Predict 1990 is on CD but out of print.
The Best We Could Find is still available on CD, i think, but i've seen
it in the cheapos in Longs for a while now.

JRjr

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: swansond@nextnet.csus.edu (Dennis Swanson)
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:51:27 GMT

So, the Catholic Church _created_ Hades "by simply teaching its existence in a
threatening manner." Sounds reasonable. :-)

(Sorry for responding to such shameless flamebait -- twas too juicy to pass up)

	Den

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From: jek@icf.hrb.com (Joe Karolchik)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Boring Christian Wedding Receptions
Date: 19 Jan 93 16:52:18 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

> 
>>1. You think receptions should have alcohol?
> 
>     Sorry for the off subject post but I couldn't let this pass.  Why is it 
> that people associate "fun" and "really celebrating" with a requirement to
> impair their judgement with alcohol.  

I think that this statement is inaccurate.  Being Catholic, I've been to many
wedding receptions where alcohol was served.  Since I was raised in an 
environment where alcohol was accepted (in moderation), I always thought that
serving alcohol was an accepted part of a wedding reception.  However, I
think that if you have the right perspective on things, you can see that it
doesn't take alcohol to "really celebrate."  In the same way, it doesn't take
music or food either.  I guess it depends on how you look at a reception and
also what your own background is.

Considering alcohol, I would agree with some of the suggestions that others
have made so far (e.g., cash bar with limitations, just having a champaign
toast, etc.).  I might also add that I have been to a number of receptions
which were held in hotel ballrooms.  A block of rooms were reserved in the same
hotel so that out-of-town guests could stay there.  I also kind of thought that
it was a preventive measure "just in case" someone had too much to drink.

The down side of serving alcohol is that there's a good chance that someone
will become an ugly drunken fool.  This kind of detracts from the joyful
celebration.  I was at one reception where the father of the bride and the
father of the groom ended up in a fist fight.  Both of them were completely
smashed at the time.  Too bad!  You can't count on everyone being a
conservative drinker.

The ultimate consideration (I think) when planning your wedding and reception
is to think about who you are trying to please.  Are you planning for
yourselves or are you planning for others to have a good time?  Maybe if you
decide on that, it might help you to focus better on how to plan.

Joe Karolchik

--- my opinion ---
From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:01:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Trying to find a recording of this song...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, Michael Roman <mrr1@cornell.edu> writes:

> I've trying to find a recording of the song with the following fragment:
> 
> By the waters,... we remember thee, Zion.
> 
> I heard it in embedded in another song by Manfred Mann and the Earth Band.

I don't think it's a fragment. It's a relatively old scripture song. I remember
singing it along with things like "Lord I love you, alleluia"(;-P) at
IVCF rallies 20 years ago...

It can be sung in a round.

You should be able to find the music in any praise book. I can't imagine
why you'd want a *recording* of it, though...

Bob (yeah, I know, I know, I'm too old for this newsgroup) Miller
rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor and CDs
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:07:02 GMT
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scapita@sunserver.nswc.navy.mil (Sam Capitano (N811)) writes:
> 
> To add yet another comment to the discussion:
> 
> Someone (not sure who because I lost the post--Sorry!) mentioned 
> that Steve Taylor's "I Want to be a Clone" is not available on CD.  
> Well, for all you fans who were ready to run out and buy it, and 
> then were disgruntled to hear this news, not to fear.  I happen to 
> own a copy of "I Want to be a Clone" on CD, ergo it must be 
> available on CD.

i've got it on CD too. it was recently released on a line of "classic
CCM" CDs that includes some REZ stuff too.

now to find meltdown & fritz...

jason "you're so open minded that your brains leaked out!" steiner

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From: ecater36@ursa.calvin.edu (Evan Cater)
Subject: Re: are T-Bone and Sam backslidden
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:10:56 GMT

jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:

>ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>> mattias@tse.uucp (Mattias Hembruch x0830) writes:
>> 
>> >All I'd like to point out is that when Kansas did "Dust in the 
>> >Wind", many people took this as definite proof that Kerry Livgren 
>> >was a Christian.. BZZZZT. WRONGO. He even says it surprised him to 
>> >hear people say that. He wrote the song out of 'utter despair' 
>> >because he felt that there was nothing more.. I haven't heard the 
>> >song personally, and really don't care to hear it because we 
>> >should let old past die..
>> 
>> Well, I'm equally amazed that anyone could interpret "Dust in the 
>> Wind" as a song written by a Christian.  The chorus is "All we are 
>> is dust in the wind."  I hadn't realized that nihilistic despair 
>> and Christianity were compatible beliefs.  No wonder Kerry was 
>> surprised when he heard about that "definitive proof."  

>"We're just dust dressed up to be blow away
> We're just dust dressed up to be blow away..."

> -Breakfast With Amy

>now, i'm not saying that anything is "definitive proof", but i'd just
>like to point out that small doses of nihilism aren't necessarily
>-anti-Christian either. after all, even the Bible contains a little
>bit of dispair. and noting the fleetingness of human existance is
>hardly evil in and of itself.

If you want to see the closest thing you can get to Christian Existentialism
read a book called Ecclesiastes.
From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Re: Speaking of Robin Spurs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:18:54 GMT

I heard exactly the same thing here in the Midwest.
Corroborated story; must be true! :)

Jeff Elbel
buy that doggone forthcoming Farewell to Juliet CD!

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From: davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis)
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor's "I Predict 1990" (was Re: Dancing with commitment)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:23:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.184819.18890@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

>So it's not all doom and gloom.  But I guess I'm curious as to whether
>"I Predict 1990" is typical of Steve's work.  I'm intrigued enough
>that I'm willing to check out the other albums.  But let's put it
>this way:  if there were more guitars, I might be more intrigued.

	Unfortunately, I don't think Steve Taylor ever hit his full
potential.  His musical style was always in flux which shows an
adventurous spirit, but also indicates he never really found his own
voice.  Each of his albums seemed to look beyond the CCM community for
inspiration, which is saying quite a bit given the time frame and his
position in mainstream CCM -- it's one thing for Terry Taylor to be
weird and provocative, but it's quite another for a guy whose every
album was with either Sparrow or Myrrh.

	Is "I Predict 1990" his best solo work?  Probably.  It's the
best overall (the other albums have even less guitar :-).  On each of
his other albums I can think of songs that I enjoy tremendously (from
I Want to be a Clone "I Want to be a Clone", from Meltdown "Colour
Code," from On the Fritz: "This Disco" and "On the Fritz").  1990 had
me intrigued at first with its cinematic and literate approach, and
the most dramatic style change over his previous albums (trying to
sound a little less like David Bowie, I think), but now I only go back
to it to hear "Jim Morrison's Grave," "Svengali," and the chorus from
"Jung and the Restless."

	I was hoping Chagall Guevara would be a better vehicle for
Taylor's lyrics, and while they haven't hit the peak I'm hoping for
(yet), they do have a more sustained energy and musical texture than
anything Taylor did alone.


Here's hopin'
Rob
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From: ppxpmd@mips.nott.ac.uk (P.Debenham)
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor and CDs
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 11:43:31 GMT

Last time I checked WORD had a number of Steve Taylor albums available on CD.
My info came from their September 1992 price list (about that date) for the
UK.  If its available here I can see no reason why Word in the USA could not
supply you.  If the worst comes to the worst put in a credit card order with
Word UK and get things sent over.

God Bless,
    Peter D
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From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: I'm back........
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:03 CST
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Just a note to let everyone know that I am now officially back for another
semester...so you'll once again be able to read my wonderful posts that show
without a shadow of a doubt that Amy Grant is actually a cohort of Satan and
is tricking all of us real [tm] Christians with "Beam me up, Jesus!" keychains
and bumper stickers into stumbling into the world. Amen.


btw, this has already been mentioned, but the Seventy Sevens will be playing
at the Power House in Dallas/Fort Worth on January the 29th and 30th.

Also, Mortal and the Crucified will be playing at the Power House February 5th
and 6th. And I believe they'll be in San Antonio on the 7th at the Boss Kat.


Later at the Power House...Crashdog on March 15 or 16 or so. And LSU and 
Breakfast with Amy on April 12th or 13th. I'm doing all this from memory 
though, and knowing how mine is, this info may not be totally accurate. 
I'll get the info and post the verified info at a later date.

Until next time........

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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: Tonio K.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:27:10 GMT

In article <1jk97dINN3iq@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> petra@billthe.engin.umich.edu (Michael David Bakker) writes:
>
>because everyone seems to be caught up in this t-bone bit, i thought i would 
>ask a question of his followers.  i really enjoyed tonio k. when he first 
>came out but i haven't seen anything by him for the past 6 years or so.  

Don't know if you know this, but Tonio actually "came out" about fourteen
years ago.  His first album, "Life in the Foodchain," was widely hailed
in the secular music press.  I can recall a _Rolling_Stone_ review that
gave it five stars.  It's very much in the "Angry Young Man" vein that
was in vogue at the time with Elvis Costello, Graham Parker, et. al.

Tonio's first album that had both secular and Christian label distribution
was "Romeo Unchained," from 1986.  

>i have his albums "notes of the lost civilization" and the one before it 
>which i can't remember the title for right now as i don't have access to 
>my CD`s right now.  anybody out there know what happened to him?  or have 
>i just been oblivious to his musical career?

I don't think Tonio has released a studio album since "Notes ...".  
The last I heard he had formed a new band called Sixteen Tons of
Monkeys (?  I hope I'm wrong about that one because it's a terrible
name) and was shopping for a record deal.  

Tonio co-wrote a couple of new songs with Peter Case that appear on Peter's
1992 album "Six Pack of Love."  They're the best things about a fairly
mediocre album.

>-mike bakker
>
>petra@engin.umich.edu

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To separate the truth from the facts and other lies."
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From: lance@meeker.CFNR.ColoState.EDU (Lance Burk)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: ED KERR Concerts (repost)
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:41:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: yuma.Jan25.224113.45105
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Natural Resources, CSU, Ft. Collins, CO.


 
Hi all!

just an informative note to tell you all of four up coming concerts 
with ed kerr in colorado. ed kerr was part of the well-known group
HARVEST for 13 years, and has released his debut solo album entitled
"Unexpected Turns." He will be performing on a grand piano accompanied
by Paul Beloche on acoustic guitar. opening up for ed, each on their 
own night, are world class musicians, Calvin Jones, Jerry Palmer, and
Dave Beegle. each of these musicians provide stunning performances;
calvin jones gives an incendary piano performance, jerry palmer with
contemplative guitar and piano compositions, and dave beegle plays his 
renowned flamenco and classical guitar statements.
THESE CONCERTS ARE FREE TO THE PUBLIC, ALL ARE WELCOME!!!
 
THE CONCERTS ARE AS FOLLOWS:

WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 27, 1993, 7:00PM
Faith Ministries, Greeley, Colorado / with Calvin Jones
(6101 West 10th Street, 1/4 mile East of Hewlet Packard on Buisness 34)
INFORMATION: 351-8300
 
THURSDAY, JANUARY 28, 1993, 7:00PM
Faith Evangelical Church, Loveland, Colorado / with Dave Beegle
(2707 North Wilson Ave.)
INFORMATION: 663-0522
 
FRIDAY, JANUARY 29, 1993, 7:00PM
First Assembly of God, Fort Collins, Colorado / with Jerry Palmer
(1800 South Lemay)
INFORMATION: 482-4387
 
SUNDAY, JANUARY 31, 1993, 7:00PM
First Christian Church, Longmont, Colorado / with Calvin Jones
(10345 Ute Highway/Highway 66)
INFORMATION: 776-2927

These concerts have been brought to you by ROOSTERCROW PRODUCTIONS.            

If It's the Crow Ya Gotta Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What is a Christian?
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:40:05 CST
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

In article <1993Jan19.215757.10320@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>, scoons@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (SM Coons) writes:
> Howdy all!  I am doing a bit of research for a college group I am in and 
> would like anyone and everyone to answer a few questions for me.
> 
> 1.  What is the defintion of a Christian?

One who believes in Jesus Christ, in particular what he claimed about himself, 
and the Bible's record of what he did

> 2.  What are some things that people do that makes one not a Christian?

The only thing that qualifies here is denying the answer I gave to 1.

Note that I deliberately left out smoking, drinking etc, which don't 
disqualify a Christian per se, but these things are inadvisable, and show a 
rebellious spirit against God.

Regards,

John Bennett                                   bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au