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From: george@ibmpcug.co.uk (Michael Veltman)
Subject: Re: People, CALM DOWN!
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
	alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:26:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.101713.23198@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.073433.8538@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>Hmmm.  I seem to remember learning : Pascal, C, C++, C-Linda, Ada, Cobol,
>Fortran, Miranda, Prolog, Lisp, Occam, OPS-5 and probably a couple more
>that I can't remember.  I can't say I remember them all well though.  Not
>that we didn't learn any theory of course :-)

I seem to remember learning some C, Fortran, Forth, Basic and doing some
coding in 68000, 6800, 6502, Z80 and 2650.  Of course, I'm a doctor, and
I don't know much about programming.

(corollory: if you told me that you knew about 10 drugs, that wouldn't
necessarily impress me with your pharmacological knowledge).

Michael  -  Just a point for thought, but I'll get flamed anyway for sure.


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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: What Commodore NEEDS to do!
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:30:18 GMT

cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:

>I'm curious as to what information you have.  HP claims their next
>chip performs at 120 Specmarks and the Alpha is still not shipping in
>systems.

  I've just been at Hot Chips, where both DEC and HP gave presentations
on these chips.  DEC still didn't present any benchmark data, but
HP gave out the following:

  Spec89           >130
  Specint92        >70
  SpecFP92         >130
  MFlops (Linpack) >30
  Dhrystone MIPs   >115

>I don't think the gap is as large as Dec would like everybody to
>believe.

  The 21064 has slightly less restrictive issue capabilities.
For example, it can issue a load + integer operation
in the same cycle, whereas the 7100 can't.  Similarly for an
integer operation + integer branch.

  Apart from that, they are very similar.  The main difference
will be the clock rate.

>>But then there's still the cost issue. If you don't need the horsepower
>>on a single CPU then a multi-processor (such as Sparc10) can be more
>>cost effective (assuming an OS that can utilize several CPUs..).

>Yeah, I don't expect to see many cheap Alpha systems.

  Actually, DEC seems to have had a change of heart.  Everyone
now expects them to bring out a 100MHz desktop version for under $10,000.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:43:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.024542.12796@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>: Apart from saying that I really hope Atari pulls this off (if only to keep
>: everyone else honest), I must really object to this kind of personal attack
>
>It wasn't MEANT to be a personal attack.  I was telling him, nicely,
>that his English is really, really bad.  I often tell my friends they
>look like crap if they look like crap, understand?

I understand that one doesn't do this before the whole world. I believe it's
called being polite, sensitive, etc...

[ ]

Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:30:11 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
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davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>
>Question for OS/2 experts:  Is it possible to set up a "virtual workspace",
>larger than the screen, that automatically scrolls (smoothly) as the mouse is
>dragged past the edge of the screen in OS/2?
>

This would require a special display driver.  I haven't seen one like it for
OS/2.  However, I do just that with X11 under UNIX SVR4.  The PC version
of X11 has this feature, and it even lets you switch resolutions on the
fly -- kind of like a built-in zooming feature.  So for example, you could
have a virtual workspace of 1152x900 with 256 colors (that's about the limit
with 1MB video RAM), and display it using 640x480, 800x600, or 1024x768
resolutions, switchable via the keyboard.

>
>Can a shell window be wider than
>the screen, allowing the user to scroll sidewise to see wide file listing or
>whatever, as needed?
>

Yes; this is what scrollbars are for.

>
>David Meiklejohn                  | Internet : davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au
>
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From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Subject: Amiga 600 vs. Falcon 030 
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:52:30 GMT



We hear all this talk about the A600 and how it really isn't that bad...

I'm just curious to know if you had a choice between purchasing an
Amiga 600 for $400 or a Falcon 030 (with specs. that were mentioned here)
for $700, which would you buy?

Would it be worth the extra $300 for the greater graphics resolutions,
CD quality sound, 68030 at 16 MHz, DSP at 32 MHz, numeric keypad,
direct processor socket, 1.44 disk drive, built-in fan, internal clock,
MIDI ports, headphone and microphone ports, DSP port, bi-directional
parallel port, LAN, and greater memory expansion capabilities?

If the A600 was at $300 and the Falcon 030 at $700, would you be
willing to pay an extra $400 for all those features?

Right now, I'm between both companies.  I'm trying to have an objective
view but when I see all those other features that the Falcon has,
I have to side with the Falcon.

Of course, it may be bugged up upon release...


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From: seimet@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Uwe Seimet)
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 specs released! No more rumor...
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Distribution: eunet
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:02:37 GMT

paetau@mits.mdata.fi (Rasmus Paetau) writes:

>I've heard that the new Amiga (A800) should be released next spring.
That't to late for Commodore. Next spring everybody interested in a Falcon
or A800 like machine will have bought the Falcon, won't he? :-)

***************************************
*        Uwe Seimet                   *
*        seimet@rhrk.uni-kl.de        *
*        seimet@chemie.uni-kl.de      *
*-------------------------------------*
* I really hate this damned machine,  *
*     I wish that they would sell it. *
* It never does that what I mean      *
*     but only what I tell it.        *
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From: paetau@mits.mdata.fi (Rasmus Paetau)
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 specs released! No more rumor...
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:12:19 GMT

In article <S325Y1W@zelator.in-berlin.de> techno@zelator.in-berlin.de (Frank Dahncke) writes:
>In <1992Aug14.094530.2218@aber.ac.uk> hrs@aber.ac.uk (Herbert Martin Sauro) writes:
>
>>I've heard that the new Amiga will also have a dsp chip, is this true?
>
>>Herb
>>-- 
>
>Which new Amiga ? Even if there should be one, it will be too late...
>

I've heard that the new Amiga (A800) should be released next spring.
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:42:07 GMT

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
: 	"OS/2 is better than AmigaOS because it has support for DOS and
: 	 Windows binaries."
: 
: when what I really said was this:
: 
: 	"OS/2 requires more RAM and disk space than AmigaOS because it has
: 	 support for DOS and Windows binaries."

: See the difference yet?

The person asked you, if I remember correctly, what features made OS/2
better than AmigaOS.  To which you replied compatibility with Windows
and DOS binaries.  If, that's if, I remember correctly.  I'd like to
be wrong on this one:  Post the original message.  The point is, I
distinctly remember thinking you were saying the above.  Of course, I
didn't bother replying to that...

Greg

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From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: Re: DIR
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:41:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.112516.2862@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> u2102952@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>Just how fast is the fastest Amiga 3000T (-040 or what ever else) compared 
>to an Icky Blue Muck 486/50
>
>--
>
>Dave Rhubhymen     :    A man of no distinctions!!!
>
>--

As for cpu power, the 486-50 beats it by quite a few marks.  A 040-25 only
has the performance of a 486-33 cpu.  But if you compare a 040-33, well
that may be another story.  
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:21948 comp.sys.amiga.misc:12877
From: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Dariusz Bolski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:20:24 GMT
Organization: OSU, Advanced Computing Center for Arts & Design

In article <1992Aug19.163556.14701@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>As for A3000s without hard-drives, probably not a great idea.  But given
>the prices of large IDE drives, I'd like to be able to purchase an A3400
>(or whatever they call it) sans hard-drive.  An A3400 without hard-drive
>and CPU card could be a cheap way for users to get an AA machine and would
>leave room for the third-party folks to supply CPU boards, hard-drives, etc.

Commodore should at least give the possibility to buy A3000 without HD.
When we were trying to buy A3000s for our new Amiga Lab we wanted A3000s with
Ethernet instead of HD. They wouldn't let us. Thus we had to reduce the
number of Amigas we could buy (fixed amount of money).
HDs will be mostly useless (we relied on a fileserver) but we will not be
able to educate as many new students on Amigas as we wanted.
All in all, fewer people will get to know Amiga :-(

>  Skip Sauls

Dariusz Bolski
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From: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Dariusz Bolski)
Subject: Re: Death Becomes Amiga
Organization: OSU, Advanced Computing Center for Arts & Design
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:55:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.215022.16327@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Curiously, I assume there are FORTRAN compilers for the Amiga?
>Could someone elaborate?  Thanks-

A few years ago we had a chance (at my physics department) to compare
Amiga F77 fortran compiler (don't remember exactly the name - you can
find it in a Guide) with watcom fortran we had on PCs. EVERYONE was surprised
by the speed of compilation. What was taking minutes on PCs (4.77 XTs) was
taking seconds on Amiga (nonaccelerated). As my memory serves me we did not
have any problems with running our excesive Fortran library of
programs (99% of programs for physics is in Fortran). The Amiga compiler was
excelling. I don't know anything about the current situation, but I know
that this compiler is still offered, improved with a set of extensions,
scientific libraries fulfilling most of my needs (at the time I last checked).

>Dan Stephenson das9674@usl.edu 

Dariusz Bolski
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From: astlc@acad2.alaska.edu (Tom Claydon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Sofware Piracy & Software Prices
Date: 15 Aug 92 22:02:05 GMT
Organization: Anarchy Incorporated


 Oh brother. The old addage "computer software would be cheaper if there
were no software pirates" is pure bunk. Take a look at the home video game
market. There is NO piracy on these systems, yet $40 to $50 (or more)
cartridges are not uncommon.

-- 
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From: slbfn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Cheer Up
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:45:06 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Aug12.201941.848@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>    This happens when a system like the Amiga stagnates.  Things that were a lot
> of fun years ago are boring now, and there have been no improvements in usable
> resolutions and color capabilities to keep the Amiga interesting.

  Speak for yourself.  I for one happen to be quite intersted in my Amiga.
  Demos, games, and productivity software have been getting better and
  better.  Everything I do, I can do with my Amiga.  When it comes to me,
  I don't care about anybody but me.

> I have basically been limited to using my Amiga as a dumb terminal, and I
> have numerous friends who have been using their Amigas for the same thing.
> Sad

  What?  What's that?  Marc Barrett has friends?

  I happen to be using my Amiga as a terminal to the University's VAX/VMS
  system.  Does that mean that I have lost interst in my Ami?  I think
  not.  Get a life.

  > ---
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> --------------------------------------------------


                                              - Travis Carter
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:24:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.041634.19769@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>: MANY versions of many programs now running on Falcons. That is very
>: good because many people in England not buying A600s because big 
>: percent of software not running on it.  Falcon 030 is almost same
>: price as A600 with 2 megabyte chip so C= MUST force better compatable
>: software!
>
>I THINK I've got what you said sorted out.  Anyone ever tell you your
>English is really, really bad? 

   Yes, it's kind of embarassing.  I often see poor English on Usenet, but it
is usually from international readers who do not know English very well, but 
this does not really mean that they are in any way lacking in intelligence
because I am positive that I would sound a million times worse if I were
forced to get around in a language that was not my native tongue! :-)  However,
this Jeff Young guy is most likely an American, probably born and raised here,
which makes me embarassed to think of what the international readers must be
thinking about an American who cannot even speak his own language.

>(: (: (: (: Have you overdosed on smileys today?  Why NOT!?! :) :) :) :) :)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 01:38:09 GMT

In <mykes.0ckk@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:

>I specifically want to drag a window off the left side of the screen.
>I want this because the ZOOM box is in the upper right hand corner
>of a window - hence I can move the damn windows out of the way and
>still get at the zoom box to put them back on the screen where I
>want them.

 Wait a minute!  If I recall correctly Kickstart v1.2 had this feature...
And I believe you used the Amiga key, clicked on the window
and drug it off the screen.  I believe you could even have it come back
around the other side.

 Of course it crashed immediately after letting go of the mouse button,
so it was generally pretty worthless.  But don't claim the Amiga never had
this feature!!!! :-) :-)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: yet more on the AA chipset...
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:17:14 GMT

In <u894776.714313272@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
>The programs of course break on new amigas for the lamest reasons - not
>egocentric programming, but lack of adequate documentation - and sample code.
This is a joke ? There is more and better documentation for AmigaOS programming
in book form (aka RKMs) and tons of example code on PD disks.

>The games programmers are there to make games, not to talk politely to the OS.
Which doesn't need to contradict each other.

>IMHO it is easier for CBM to make the decision for them by putting in a BIOS
>rather than trying to train 1000+ amigaos ignorants.
CBM can't put everything into a BIOS.. each manufacturer of hardware
expansions would need to add support for BIOS users.

>What would you prefer? games working on A3000 but without multitasking - or
>game not working on A3000 at all.
That's not the question. C= gives support to access the hardware, that's
called AmigaOS. They (and third parties) simply can't support every wish
of a game programmer, just because that one refuses to use the standard
methods..

>Sure to have game on A3000 + multitasking is great... but it would be foolish
>to expect that from all programmers.
Yes, foolish..Some folx can't be healed from being stubborn.

Regards,
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:42:25 GMT

>Well, but you are always the one stating that the very PC features are "much
>better" than the corresponding Amiga features. And when someone posts his
>real-life experiences with PCs, you call him a liar.

	Considering some of the bogus comments made in this group about PC's,
   I don't blame him.  I don't think Jerry has ever called someone a liar
   though.  He usually just points out that his experience is different, and
   on some occasions has helped out the person having problems.

>Jerry, I try to stay polite, but that's not at all easy in your case.
>Once you stated that you only are here to correct false statements about
>PCs. If this were true, ok. BUT it is not true. Every statement about
>some PC feature you mix with some tendencious (sp?) comparisons to 
>Amigas, where everyone knows before what will turn out "better".
>You seem to have an attitude that *everything* in the PC world is far
>better than on Amigas. IT IS NOT. Both platforms have their merits,
>both have superior features/applications in one area or the other.
>If you could change your tone to a more balanced one, then you would
>probably be much less annoying and perhaps even gain some better
>reputation. In the moment you have a very bad one, do you know this at all?
>
>And please don't think I'm an "Amiga only" fanatic. In fact, I'm rather
>neutral. I *have* to be, because the company I work for sells a considerable
>amount of such machines! So I know them also and use them daily. But from
>this daily experience with both worlds I can only draw one conclusion:
>Amigas are much more fun to use! And for the things I have to do, I do
>letter writing on the PC, but everything else I do on the Amiga.

	And there's plenty of people out there that will tell you that PC's
   are fun to use also.  Like me.  The last thing I want is to limit myself
   to letter writing on my PC.

							G.Greene

>
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From: william@terapin.com (William Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: A2000's Power Supply Don't Work..NEED HELP
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:30:10 PST
Organization: BBS

                    A2000 POWER SUPPLY DONT WORK
 
 
    When I turn on system, sometimes the screen either is totally black
or keeps blinding in GRAY color.  The fan works fine.  I only had this
system for less than a year.  I bought this system used.  Since I have
2 A2000, I decided to test what cause the problem.  After a couple of hours
diagnosing, I figure out it was the power supply.  When I switch my other
system's (the working system) power supply to the non-working A2000, it
work.
 
    So I told the person who sold me system, he said,"the system is out
of warranty already.  Therefore, I wanted to fix it if possible.  I do
know about electronic stuff.
 
Description of the Power Supply:
 
-Made by TAIWAN LITON ELECTRONIC CO., LTD
-Input   120V, 4A 60Hz
-Output  5V/20.75A, 12V/8A
         -5V/0.3A, 12V/0.3A
-DC Output 200W
 
 
     If you have any suggestions or ideas on how to repair the
     power supply, or know where can I get one for a good price,
     or might know someone who wants sell his/her power supply,
     PLEASE LEAVE ME MAIL HERE.