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From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net (was: Re: The return of vaudeville. (was: Re: Nilges)
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:53:45 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Sep12.214246.25974@news.columbia.edu> ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar) writes:
>
>
>If an article is written about "A" and refers to them as "B" it is called "C"
>
>A		B			C
>
>BCCI		Muslim Bankers		Financial Reporting
>Palestinian	Arab Terrorist		Objective Journalism

Damn right, Imran.  I was sickened by the beginning of the manufacture
of anti-Arab racism during the Six Day War, years ago.  I remember being
told of how those beastly old Arabs mistreated women...as if women
aren't mistreated in Christian America, and as if Robin Morgan did not
describe, recently, how Israeli men buy pornography that portrays Jewish
women as captives of Nazis.

And I remember the light that came on in the Moroccan student's eyes as
I described (in a computer science class at Roosevelt University in '75) 
how al Khowarzmi invented the notion of the algorithm when Europeans 
were in the bogs.  Ali tried (unsuccessfully) to teach me how to pronounce 
this scholar's name.

>
>If something is written against Prophet Muhammad, it is literature;

We here in America conveniently forget the ancient Christian heresy of
iconoclasm, which taught that images of the divine blasphemously
diverted the attention of the faithful from the real divine (whether
within their hearts, or in the eyes of the people they love.)  This
heresy may have influenced Moslem thinking, which had a lot to do with
the resentment of Rushdie's work and to which the West was
under-sensitive.  I've often wondered, myself, if the image of the West
as the great Satan is not based on the fact that not only have we
rejected iconoclasm, we're a culture of out-of-control images of the
divine (whether Madonna or Coca-Cola) that (in C. S. Lewis' phrase)
madden us with false promises and sour us with true miseries.  While
Rushdie should in my opinion be permitted to write, the Muslim world has
much to teach the West.

>against the Japanese (like Jurrasaic Park) it is fiction;
>agsinst Blacks, it is free speech;
>against Christianity, it is an opinion
>
>but anything written against one Jewish person is anti-Semitism!!

It is, Imran.  Criticise the sin and not the sinner.  Sit down and talk
with your foes, even as Israel and Syria are doing these days.
>
From: olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM (olga from the volga)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Latest FBI Wiretap Bill
Keywords: Ash nazg Cthulhu w'gahnagl fh'tagn burzum-ishi krimpatul.
Date: 12 Sep 92 12:34:42 GMT

matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt) writes:

> In article <BuCMqu.Aur@lerami.lerctr.org> merlin@lerami.lerctr.org 
> (David Hayes) writes:
> 
> >My friend came up with the obvious cure. They began encrypting their 
> >overseas links, using DES double-block encryption. (Encrypt the message,
> >then encrypt the encrypted message, using two different keys. Makes total
> >garbage.)   [David Hayes]
> 
> I thought it was against the law to send encrypted messages out of the 
> country.  Do any of the lawyers here know whether that's true?  If it
> is true, how do the banks get away with their encrypted international
> electronic fund transfers?
> 
> >He got a very unpleasant visit from NSA a few days later.  [David Hayes]
> 
> If there really is a law against sending encrypted messages out of the 
> country, it shouldn't be surprising that the NSA would be the ones to
> enforce that law.  Maybe they thought this guy was some sort of spy

Its surprising to me.  NSA is NOT a law enforcement agency, has no 
arrest powers.  If there is something illegal, they have to turn it 
over to other law enforcement agencies such as the FBI. 


> trying to transmit American defense secrets to his spymaster behind 
> the Iron Curtain in Moscow or Peiping.  If they don't check him out,
> they're not doing their job.
> 
> 					-- Matt Rosenblatt
>                                         (matt@amsaa.brl.mil)
> 
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> TRUTH     JUSTICE     FREEDOM     YIDDISHKEIT     IVY     THE AMERICAN WAY


olga@csiatl.gwinnett
YOW!
From: matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net (was: Re: The return of vaudeville. (was: Re: Nilges)
Keywords: Lord Macaulay
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:00:46 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD.

In article <GPRIORES.92Sep13230919@fish.oracle.com> gpriores@oracle.com 
(gordon prioreschi) writes:

>. . . I'm willing to let the
>record show that, according to Sheheryar Hasnain and Ed Nilges, I am
>ethnophobic, stupid, racist, sexist, pretentious, insecure, and an
>inept architect of analogy. I can think of no more emphatic a
>vindication of my intellectual credentials.  [Gordon Prioreschi]

In the _Edinburgh Review_ for April, 1844, Lord Macaulay 
congratulated England on having been hated by the French 
Jacobin, Barere.  To hate England was, Macaulay observed,
the one small service which Barere could do for the country.  
In the same way, it looks as if calling Mr. Prioreschi names 
is the one small service that the two gentlemen he mentions 
can do for him.

					-- Matt Rosenblatt
                                        (matt@amsaa.brl.mil)

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
TRUTH     JUSTICE     FREEDOM     YIDDISHKEIT     IVY     THE AMERICAN WAY
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Juridiscations, patents and such
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:26:48 GMT

In article <65748@cup.portal.com>, edwardk@cup (edward chungfan kwok) writes:
>The act of technology transfer took place when the technology was made available
>to a party in Finland.  So, Craig can travel all over the globe he wants, there
>is no export as long as he does not pass on the information.

Interesting.  Can you cite anything to support this claim?  Could you
also clarify the contradiction (seems to me at least) of "technology
transfer" vs. "passing on the information" - ie. is it criminal to
just build technology or also to pass information?  What if Craig has
learned all his knowledge from a Finnish university?

>As to jurisdiction, it's an interesting issue.  The Rhenquist court ruled last
>year that as long as an extradition treaty does not prohibit kidnapping, we
>can send some one out anywhere to haul any one intoa U.S. Court.  Implicit
>in that ruling is that it's all the more ok to kidnap any one for the purpose
>of hauling into a U.S. court, if no extradition treaty exist.

If this is against the country's laws where the kidnapping occurs, is
this called "an act of war", "state-sponsored terrorism" or something
else in international legalese?

//Jyrki
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Punitive Damages (was: Tort Reform)
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:03:22 GMT
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93


In article <1992Aug31.175134.23190@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, 
dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892) said:

> How about having punitive damages acrue to the state, rather than to
> the plaintiff?  The successful plaintiff would still receive
> compensatory damages, and thus would not be deprived of anything
> they have a clear right to, but, much of the motivation for seeking
> punitive damages would be lost.  This might not reduce the number of
> lawsuits, but might well reduce the size of the awards.
>
> This could accomplish the goal of reducing the legal costs of doing
> business in the US.

As someone else (Mike Godwin?  Ted Frank?  Some memmber in good
standing of the Elite Lawyers Conspiracy Movement, Inc., anyway :-)
pointed out, the problem with this is that it gives the state a vested
interest in seeing that certain litigation that otherwise would not be
of interest to the state (1) is brought in the first place and (2) is
resolved in favor of the plaintiff.  This would be a fairly strong
vested interest (as Deep Throat advised Bernstein and Woodward,
"Follow the money.") and would probably have a fairly strong
distorting influence on the civil court system.  (And, of course, as
the same person also pointed out, what do you do when the party
against whom the punitive damages are assessed is the same nation,
state, city, or whatever that would be the beneficiary of the money?)

The question of _where_ the punitive damages should go has bothered me
for a while... there's often a clear asymmetry between whether there
exists a party who "deserves" to be forced to pay a monetary fine for
their wrongdoing and whether there also exists a party who "deserves"
to receive that money, and I haven't yet heard any good ideas for
resolving this paradox.  There may not be any solution at all.

(For the record, a while ago I floated here and in sci.economics the
idea that maybe *nobody* should get the money -- that it should be
taken from the defendant and simply thrown down a black hole or
something.  However, several people who claim to understand economics
explained to me that destroying money is almost exactly equivalent to
giving the money to the federal government.  Oh well.)

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
From: fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Rutgers decision on University use of SS#'s
Date: 13 Sep 92 05:32:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <12240@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> 
> At Sonoma State University, it used to be common (even two
> semesters ago) to post exam results outside the professor's
> office, with the SS# next to the grade.
> 
> Last semester, the professor told us how to convert our SS#
> into a four digit code, because to post our SS# created liability
> for the university.
> 
> Is this crazy enough?

Stupid.  For one thing, like our college, a student can probably get a
student number issued to him by the college in lieu of using his or
her SSN.  === Al
From: eldred@rrunner.jpl.nasa.gov (Dan Eldred)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: question about small CLAIM COURT : please help
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:20:46 GMT
Distribution: misc
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory

In article <1992Sep8.143033.8709@infonode.ingr.com> tan@infonode.ingr.com (Maribel Tan-Vanderzijp ) writes:
>
>my question maybe very basic or maybe a FAQ, but please bear with me and
>sent me a reply if you can help me with my questions.
>
>1. what if the summoned party refuse to show up ? (I am told the 
>   summoning party automatically win the case)
>
>2. so what - if I win the case ? how can I collect the claims ? is it the
>   court will give me the compensation first and collect from the other guy
>   or I still have to chase that crook ?
>

You automatically win if he refuses to show, though he does have a chance
to appeal (which is unlikely since you have to pay a significant court fee,
and must have a basis to appeal--"I had a flat tire" is not a valid basis).

There is a period of time specified for the defendent to pay up, and after
the deadline he/she owes you interest.  In California I believe it is 10%.

If the defendent doesn't show and doesn't pay, you can go back to the court
and have him/her declared in contempt, which compounds the penalties.  A
warrant can also be issued for her/his arrest.

The courts usually have a "statement of assets" form to send the defendent,
and they are required to fill this out and return to you.  It tells you
virtually all financial information about the defendent, in preparation
for attaching assets.  It's a pretty scary form to see, and it frightened
someone I once sued in small claims court into paying me.

If you are aware of any assets you can have them seized by the marshall to
pay your claim, but it may be difficult to determine what the assets are.
About all you can do is keep going to the court and have penalties/crimes
compounded until he is looking at a huge fine and jail time as the alternative
to paying you.  I happened to know where my defendent worked, so I called
his work to verify employment, and I was prepared to have his wages attached.

The court itself was very helpful, with info sheets explaining most of the
details.  But you're on your own as far as collecting.  Good luck.

	- Dan
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Rutgers decision on University use of SS#'s
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:48:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <Sep09.220745.86928@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, peterson@CS.ColoState.EDU (james peterson) writes:
> I read about a month ago in the Chronicle of Higher Education 
> about a federal court decision in a suit brought by a student against Rutgers.
> The suit apeared to be over Rutgers posting student's social security
> numbers.  Rutgers seemed to have lost the case, but the information
> supplied was quite sketchy.
> 
> Can anyone give a summary of this case, or supply the text, or refer me
> to where I might obtain a summary of the case?  Specifically, what
> use of SS#'s was outlawed?
> 
> james lee peterson				peterson@CS.ColoState.edu

At Sonoma State University, it used to be common (even two
semesters ago) to post exam results outside the professor's
office, with the SS# next to the grade.

Last semester, the professor told us how to convert our SS#
into a four digit code, because to post our SS# created liability
for the university.

Is this crazy enough?
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
Newsgroups: alt.flame.spelling,misc.legal
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: Question for Charles Perez and Ted Frank
Followup-To: alt.flame.spelling
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:46:18 GMT

In article <exuptr.606.716584507@exu.ericsson.se> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.153846.23943@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell) writes:
>>>Note the abusive Parent in Goofus' posting here, as well as the
>
>>Oh, and by the way, it would be "Goofus's."
>
>Sorry, leaving off the trailing "s" is permissible in contractions where
>the preceeding letter is also an "s", in proper names.  

Oh, I tend to go by Rule 1 in Strunk and White, but maybe that's just
the influence of Dead White Males.
-- 
           .........................................................
          ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
         the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
         here i sit looking for a warming smile in a house of cold wit
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,alt.censorship,talk.politics.mideast
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:45:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.111631.15318@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> dany@kalanit.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il (Nabutovsky Dan) writes:
>>
>
>If A writes B with C to D, everybody E at him.
>
>A		B		C		D		  E
>Imran Anwar	article		spell errors	3 inappropriate	  laugh
>						newsgroups	
>	Dan

The newsgroups were appropriate, and spelling flames are explicitly
discouraged by usenet guidelines.  The error was clearly nothing more  
than a typo, quite unlike "Knucklehead" Morton's C code, which placed on
display an inability to code bug-free C, coupled with the pretension
that he had such an ability.  Furthermore, "laugh at him" is what
vicious children do when confronted by the threatening Other.  Then they
soil themselves.
From: fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Juridiscations, patents and such
Date: 13 Sep 92 06:03:17 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <1992Sep11.224508.25551@nntp.hut.fi>, jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
> Disclaimer: this is hypotetical, any universe couldn't be silly enough
> to have cases like this really happening, right?
> 
> Something for any ambitious legal minds out there:
> 
> Craig Cryptographer, an U.S. citizen living in USA, logs in to a
> machine in Finland, and writes, edits, tests, runs and finishes a
> package of cryptographic software while logged on to the machine.  The
> machine's mass storage is in Finland, while Craig uses a virtual
> terminal connection (rlogin) to log into the machine in Finland.  

Virtual smirtual.  To me, if he has it on his screen, that's no
different than storing it in the system, at least while it's on there. 
A possible defense might be that while parts of the algorithm or
program is on the screen, it doesn't, in toto, constitute the
algorithm.  If, however, a person is able to photograph the
programmers screen and get the technology as a result, then the
programmer exported the technology.
                    === Al Sparks
From: cecchinr@hornsby.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: 1992 Mr. Olympia!
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:18:59 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

In article <BuFExE.29n@knot.ccs.queensu.ca> rollins@bart.ee.queensu.ca (Mark Rollins) writes:

>Is Lee Haney competing this year ?

I would say that that was *the* question this year (besides the
"Can Lou really do it?" question).

Ron
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Wanted: NordicTrak Ski Simulator
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:12:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.093458.1@nickel.laurentian.ca> g5000005@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.070546.2337@stortek.com>,
> pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>
>>Maybe the problem arises from limitations in how you perceive a NT should
>>be used. You can raise the elevation of the front of the machine. Faster
>>running-style strides will raise your effort. Ditching the pole straps and
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>using small hand weights give you entirely new options for using the machine.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	?? The above illustrates my point! Why not just buy small hand weights
>and walk stairs, or walk/jog around the park or neighborhood? This goes back 

The Nordic Trak works better if you tie two of them to each end of a bar
and run around the backyard with them.  You can also grab one in each
hand and do lateral raises.  They're very flexible equipment in that
regard.

GMS
From: cholette@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Cholette Martin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: ************ Help with flexibility *************************
Date: 5 Sep 92 04:14:37 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


 Hello, I have been training in the martial arts ( Karate ) for several years
 now and I still have a problem with my flexibility. When I train several
 times in a week, my muscles become stiff and sore due to overstretching I
 guess. I stretch every time I train , before training. I would like to know
 what is the best way to stretch to attain maximum flexibility? Is it 
 every day, every second day?  Do I pull hard for a short while or do I
 pull soft for a long time ? When my muscles hurt, do I stretch them or do
 I wait for several days for the pain to dissappear before I stretch again?
 This is frustrating, after so many years, my muscles still stiffen after
 heavy stretching. I am 22 years old if this is a factor in it.

 I would appreciate any help with this problem, also can you point out
 the right professional to see for this ie: M.D. or P.T. or O.T. ???

 Martin Cholete
 cholette@jsp.umontreal.ca
Xref: sparky misc.fitness:7180 misc.forsale:25537 ne.forsale:3913
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,misc.forsale,ne.forsale
Subject: Exercise Equipment For Sale
From: cfc@isr.harvard.edu (Christopher F. Chabris)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 04:16:09 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

EXERCISE EQUIPMENT FOR SALE

All items are in excellent condition, and are being sold primarily because
my apartment is not big enough for them. Please reply via email if you are
interested, have questions, or think I left out vital information. You can
also call me (during the day) if you prefer. Thanks.

1. Tunturi "Muscle Trainer MT 311" (as sold by The Sharper Image, among
   others). According to the instruction sheet, "takes up very little space
   and allows you to exercise nearly all the muscle groups -- altogether
   about 20 different exercises." Uses cables attached to a hydraulic pump
   to provide resistance, which adjusts with a dial up to 70 kilograms,
   or about 150 pounds. Exercises include biceps curl, triceps pushdown,
   "bench press" (sitting, a combination of out and up), pullovers, lat
   pulldowns, bent-over rowing, seated rowing, leg extensions, and more.

   List price about $575 unassembled. Asking $400 assembled. Less than one
   year old and little-used.

2. Biodyne weightlifting bench. All black, good padding. Includes handles
   for dips, adjustments for inclining bench, leg extension/curl attachment,
   preacher curl attachment. Very solid.

   List price about $175 unassembled. Asking $125 partially assembled (you
   basically just plug a couple of parts together). Two years old but not
   used for the last year.

3. Weights and bar. 2x25, 4x10, 4x5 pounds. Bar is 6 feet long, weighs
   25 pounds. Collars twist on. Weights are iron, black.

   Asking $50 for complete set. They're weights, how can you go wrong?


-- Christopher Chabris
   cfc@huelings.harvard.edu
   617-495-3773
From: todd@crayola (Todd Katz)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Wanted: NordicTrak Ski Simulator
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:16:43 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

Is this a reference to the Nordic Track Achiever and other series,
or a reference to a new Nordic Track product (they have some new
machines)? If this is a reference to the original Nordic Track,
I think "really not that effective" is a pretty weak criticism,
since people love the machines and the company literature has very
specific claims about the amount on calories and other cardio-
vascular benefits are obtained by using the machine. As I recall,
the machine was given a good review by Consumer Digest also. I'm
not a cross-country skier, so the machine may not be the ideal
way to keep in shape for that sport, but I have used Nordic
Track for several years, the resistence is variable and can
be considerable, both arms and legs are exercised, and it is a 
lot more fun to use and keep using than a rowing machine.

-- tk 


In article <1992Sep13.231041.1@nickel.laurentian.ca>  
g5000005@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
> In article <1992Sep13.194207.6722@iscsvax.uni.edu>,  
taylorw@iscsvax.uni.edu
> writes:
> 
> >>Would like to purchase  a used NordicTrack Ski Simulator.
> 
> >>Thankyou for your time,
> 
> >>Wes Taylor
> 
> Wes,
> 
> 	Don't waste your money! These machines are a real scam. Granted,  
any 
> exercise is better than no exercise, but there are several cheaper (and  
more 
> effective) ways to exercise (ie: walk/jog, walking stairs, rowing  
machine, 
> swimming, low impact aerobics, etc.).
> 
> 	Being a nordic ski coach (+12 years), people are rather suprised  
to 
> hear me shoot down the NordicTrack (in spite of Bill Koch's endorsement  
|^) !)
> but it is really not that effective (resistance is everything!).
> 
> Nordic Norm
Newsgroups: misc.fitness