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From:         "Lynda W. Huggins" <HUGGINS@MERLIN.NLU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Auditory Integration Training

Ray, the following is a list of persons in the state of New York who
are Berard Certified Auditory Training Practitioners as of November
23, 1992:


Mary E. Adasko, M.S., CCC/SLP; 1797 East 22nd Street, Brooklyn, NY 11229
        Tel: (718) 376-0947

Marie H. Beauchemin-Ventorola, M.A.; A Starting Place, 664 Orangeburg Road,
        Pearl River, NY 10965; Tel: (914) 735-3066

Ronni Blumenthal, M.S.; Greystone Programs Inc., P.O. Box 718, Pleasant
        Valley, NY 12569; Tel: (914) 635-1277

Catherine Dodge, A.A.S.; 127B Bedford Road, Katonah, NY 10536;
        Tel: (914) 232-3473

Jeffery Donner, Ph.D.; 371 W. Church Street, Elmira, NY 14905;
        Tel: (607) 732-5427

Shelley L. Francis, M.S., CCC/A; Hear Care, 1975 Hempstead Tpke., Suite 200,
        East Meadow, NY 11554; Tel: (516) 794-4216

Ann E. Gordon, M.A., CCC/SLP; 207 Hallock Road, Stony Brook, NY 11790
        Tel: (516) 751-3838

Jane R. Maddell, Ph.D.; L. I. College Hosp., Dept. of Commun. Disord.,
        340 Henry St., Brooklyn, NY 11201; Tel: (718) 780-1985

Kendra Marasco, M.S., CCC/A, SLP; Communication Center, 490 Cross Keys,
        Fairport, NY 14450; Tel: (716) 223-5090

Suzanne E. Malgeri, M.S., CCC/SLP; Ctr. for Developmental Disabilities,
        72 Southwoods Rd., Woodbury, NY 11797; Tel: (516) 921-7650

Lisa Fettinger Pezzolla, M.S., C.R.C.; N.E. Counseling & Consultation,
        148 Altamount Rd., Voorheesville, NY 12186; Tel: (518) 765-3095

Steven T. Pezzolla, M.A.; N.E. Counseling & Consultation,
        148 Altamount Rd., Voorheesville, NY 12186; Tel: (518) 765-3095

Teresa J. Shumway, M.A., CCC/A; Craig DDSO, Doty Building, 3 Park Street,
        Geneseo, NY 14454; Tel: (716) 243-6536


Hope I haven't transposed any numbers in my typing.  Let me know if you
have a problem with any address or number.

Lynda in Louisiana
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From:         LNCJB@CC.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Birthday present for autistic child

I agree with Deborah and Jim's ideas - they also occurred to me before I saw
their posts. I have looked at buying them for Helen in the past, but they are
asking outrageous prices for them out here. However, the reference to the
sand/water wheel, reminded me of the toy I bought for Helen when she was 2 -
a hand-held water game... cost about $5. It is filled with water and there
are two wheels with spaces to drop red and balls through into their appropriate
baskets. The balls are propelled upward by a jet of water from pressing a
button. It has always been one of her favourite toys and she is still playing
with it after 4 years. There should be many variations of this toy available
over there.... they certainly are still in abundance here.

What ever you finally decide to buy him, I hope he has a really happy birthday.

Carolyn
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From:         Karen Bonham <karen@NETCOM.COM>
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              at Jan 5, 93 5:34 pm

>
>sounds like good 'ole aversive therapy to me.
>
Say what?
I dont get it.
bye

--
Karen Bonham karen@netcom.COM
Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
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From:         Jim Sinclair <GOLEM@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: AIT

On Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:42:29 EST Lisa S Lewis said:
>
>My understanding is (from what I've read and heard) that the tester watches
>the child's face very closely. The assumption is that the child will grimmace
>or make some other sign that a sound is painful to them.

If so, then there may be a built-in confounding factor selecting in favor
of children whose expressive responses are closer to normal in the first
place.  It's VERY common for autistic children not to display recognizable
signs of distress when they're in pain.

JS
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From:         Jean Jasinski <jean@HPFELA.FC.HP.COM>
Subject:      Re: Birthday present for autistic child
              7, 93 3:00 pm

>
>         This is a question especially for Jim Sinclair, but also for others
 whowho
> may have an idea.  My son Talenyn's 6th birthday is coming up on the 17th.
 He's
> nonverbal, although he sometimes (grudgingly) goes for facilitated
>  communication.
> He's a sifter, that is he likes to pour and sift liquids and powders.  He
 loves
> to stare at flowing water and the patterns of light that it makes.  Does
> anyone have some good ideas for a birthday present?
>
>                                 Pete
>

Discovery Toys makes a toy that might be a good idea.  It is called a
Sand/Water wheel.  Basically toy stands about 18 inches high and has
a container at the top with two openings in the bottom.  Under the
container are two wheels that work like paddle wheels as the sand or
water go through the holes and turn the wheels.  Each wheel turns in
opposite directions.  The toy can be used with sand, rice, sugar,
or water.  It doesn't "sift" but the openings to the wheels can be
controlled so that the flow is fast or slow.  I think it sells for
less than $20.

Tupperware makes a hand sifter that sifts when you squeeze the handle.
It has a container that attaches to the sifter to catch what you are
sifting.

Jean Jasinski
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From:         "Lynda W. Huggins" <HUGGINS@MERLIN.NLU.EDU>
Subject:      Jonathan

In response to Jeffrey Yang -

I would certainly consider your Jonathan as verbal.  And with a caring,
resourceful dad like you (designing all those wonderful graphic images),
his language skills will quickly improve.  What a neat idea!  I'm sure
that eventually Jonathan's talking will become communication and meaningful
conversation.  I suspect he understands far more than he is able to
communicate to you now.  He sounds like a great kid and he's fortunate
to have such a loving family.  Ms. Wade is a real asset to Jonathan.
Loving and caring teachers make all the difference in a child's
development.

Best of luck to you.  Please keep us posted on your progress.

Lynda
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From:         Lisa S Lewis <LISAS@PUCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: AIT

On Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:30:01 CST Jim Sinclair said:
>If so, then there may be a built-in confounding factor selecting in favor
>of children whose expressive responses are closer to normal in the first
>place.  It's VERY common for autistic children not to display recognizable
>signs of distress when they're in pain.
>
Good point.  I met the parents of a young woman who broke her arm when she
was little.  They didn't realize it was broken until some time later, when
it became hugely swollen.
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From:         "Lynda W. Huggins" <HUGGINS@MERLIN.NLU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: AIT

Jeffrey,

I will tell you of my experience with audiograms on Jon for AIT.  Jon (age
17) is very verbal; however, it is often difficult to get a direct response
or answer to a question.  We were not sure we could "trust" his verbal
responses.  Audiologists (sp?) are quite resourceful when dealing with
young or non-verbal clients.  In Jon's case, the audiologist practiced with
Jon - having him drop a poker chip in a can each time he heard a sound.  We
still could not be sure we got 100% accuracy, but I do believe the chips
worked better than having Jon raise his hand in response to a sound.

In addition to the audiogram, another test was done with Jon.  During the
test Jon's was video taped.  This was to record his facial responses to
various frequencies.  As various frequencies were presented through head
phones, I was to observe Jon and record my impression of his reaction to
each sound - none, slight, obvious, discomfort, pain, etc.  So I guess you
would say that all three - Jon's response (verbal or raising his hand),
the videotape, and my written record were all considered in determining
his level of sensitivity to each frequency.

The audiogram was done before, mid-way, and after AIT.  The frequency
test was done before and after AIT.

Jon is scheduled for a second auditory training beginning February 3.
Eight families here have contracted to bring an AIT practitioner to our
kids where they live.

We definitely did see many subtle changes in Jon after AIT in Oct, 1991.
His first training was via the BCG device.  This second training will
be with the Berard equipment.  I personally won't be satisfied until he
receives AIT via the Berard device.  There is also interest in whether
a person will benefit from a second training.

Dr. Edelson's research study included the question of whether only persons
with sound sensitivities would benefit from AIT.  Hopefully we will have
more answers upon completion of his study.

Best of luck to you and your Jonathan with Auditory Integration Training.

Lynda in Louisiana
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From:         "Lynda W. Huggins" <HUGGINS@MERLIN.NLU.EDU>
Subject:      AIT

After reading all of the questions/comments on Auditory Integration
Training, I thought perhaps members of this group would be interested
in seeing a report on AIT that I recently received from Dr. Edelson.

It took quite a while to type, but I believe it contains some interesting
information and will perhaps answer some quesitons.

Report to follow in separate mail.

Lynda in Louisiana
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From:         "Deborah V. Good" <dgood@UA.D.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: DMG, Vitamin B6 & Magnesium Treatment
              93 11:35 am

Edward, I too felt a bit uncomfortable trying the vitamin therapy on our
own.  I received information from the Rimland newsletter as well as from
parents here on the Net.  My husband, who tends to be cynical towards
the claims of vitamin miracle cure-alls for ailments, was surprisingly
very positive about initiating vitamin therapy for our son.

The DMG didn't seem to do a thing for James so we have stopped that.
OTOH we're not totally convinced that the megavitamin regimen has helped
either, but we continue it.  Since we started last June/July, he has
seemed more focused and less oppositional.  OTOH, he was beginning to go
through these changes just as we started the therapy.  When we have
gradually decreased or missed a few doses, he seems to have a bad day.
However, it is so un-scientific, and we're not absolutely sure he is
having a bad day because of not having vitamins.   We need to evaluate
the following - is he having similarly bad days when he's taken the vitamins?
For right now we're reluctant to take him off the vitamins.  No one
person noticed a dramtic positive change during the summer although those who wo
   rked with
him last spring noticed some very nice , big, positive changes when they began
working with him this fall.

We bought the powder which Rimland suggested.  Unfortunately our
approach of introducing the stuff to James was clumsy, and he absolutely
refuses to take the powder.  It turns a bright yellow color when added
to food.  We grind up B6 tablets and have purchased chewable
cal/mag/zinc plus a good multi-vitamin.  We add the B6 to a small
spoonful of yogurt.  BTW, my husband and I have
never taken vitamin supplements - except me, when I was pregnant.

During routine office visits with his general practioner, pediatric
neurologist, pediatric opthamologist, and pediatric psychologist (or psychiatris
   t - sorry, one
day I'll get them straight) no one seemed to blink an eye when we
mentioned the vitamin regimen.  We mentioned the dosage, and no one
suggested we were doing anything incorrectly.  We also checked with our neighbor
   hood
pharmacist.

I have to admit I still feel vaguely uncomfortable with our
"self-prescribing", but we certainly did check with doctors.
So hope this helps.

Deb Good
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From:         Lisa S Lewis <LISAS@PUCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Tapes about to go out...last call

OK, this is it.  Anyone else who wants to be on our "tape chain" speak
now or forever hold your peace.

Since I have two tapes sent by ABC, I will send one out to the east coast
people (there are many more of them) and one to the midwest and beyond.
To the person who requested his address not be made public...I'll send it
to you first and you can send it on.

Please remember to adjust the tracking on your VCR. All are different, and
though the tapes look good on mine, you might get some lines in the picture.
 Lisa
P.S. Jean Hunter provided a copy of the B6 tape (Rimland's tape) to be
included.  Please let me know if you want to see it.  Probably a lot of you
have already.  I didn't make copies of it, so I may just send it out sep-
arately if there's much interest in it.  Let me know.

The Rimland tape is NOT a copy...it's the one that he sends out to members
of his organization.
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From:         "Lynda W. Huggins" <HUGGINS@MERLIN.NLU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: AIT practitioners in Virginia

VIRGINIA:
--------

Mary Beth Coffey, M.S.,CCC/SLP; Center for Rehab. & Development, 4515
        Brambleton Ave., SW, Roanoke, VA 24018; Tel: (703) 989-1290

Susan A. Glaub, M.A., CCC/SLP; Commmunication Competence Center, 6845
        Elm Street, Suite 709, McLean, VA 22101; Tel: (703) 821-8883

Yvonne Henry, M.S., CCC/SLP; Communication Competence Center, 6845 Elm
        Street, Suite 709, McLean, VA 22101; Tel: (703) 821-8883

Cathi M. Laderberg, M.S., CCC/SLP; 732 Thimble Shoals Boulevard, Suite 802,
        Newport News, VA 23060; Tel: (804) 873-2811

Carmel C. Shaw-Nieves, M.D.; 7856 Ogden Avenue, Norfolk, VA 23505;
        Tel: (804) 423-3835

Lynn Staubach Williams, M.A., CCC/SLP; Ped. Speech & Lang. Svcs., 7003
        Evergreen Ct., Annadale, VA 22003; Tel: (703) 941-7757


NORTH CAROLINA:
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Susan H. Swanson, M.S., CCC/A; Black Mountain Hearing Services, Swannanoa
        Valley Medical Center, P.O. Box 1374, Black Mountain, NC 28711;
        Tel: (704) 669-8686

Deborah L. Woodward, BSN, CCC/A; Woodward Audiology, 7151 Friendship
        Church Road, McLeansville, NC 27301; Tel: (919) 656-3858
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From:         "Deborah V. Good" <dgood@UA.D.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: AIT
              Jan 12, 93 9:19 am

Ray Kopp questionned the use of earphones in auditory training.  We have
just recently registered our son for therapy for this summer, at least
6-7 months from now.  The therapist has a procedure before therapy of
sending earphones to the subjects so that they become accustomed to
wearing earphones.

From what I've read, those that undergo auditory
training should NEVER listen to music through earphones after undergoing
AIT.  So while the use of earphones is not ideal for a number of autistic,
physiologically it must be
the best way at this point of understanding to re-train the ear.  From
what I've heard through the grape-vine about AIT, the
registration/waiting lists are long so most parents/support staff would
have a number of months to work with their children to wear the
earphones comfortably.
Deb
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On the subject of abuse as therapy for autism, I would like to quote
from one of the lesser known memoirs of successful intervention by
parents of an autistic child:  James Copeland's FOR THE LOVE OF ANN.
London:  Arrow Books, 1973.  It describes parents' systematic use of
physical punishment when their daughter Ann exhibeted phobias, temper
tantrums or socially unacceptable behaviors:

     "It came in the middle of the night.  As Jack lay tossing and
turning in his bed thoughts and dreams of Ann flickered through his
half-sleeping mind.  Then a voice whispered a word.  Violence.  The
voice would not go away.  It became louder in his mind, more insistent.
Violence, violence, violence.  'VIOLENCE,' he shouted, and Ivy sat
up fully awake.
     "Jack was sitting up too, his eyes glittering with excitement.
The words tumbled over themselves in the rush to get out, but his mind was
crystal clear.  Violence was the answer, he told Ivy.  It had been
accidental violence that had ended Ann's fear of sand and waater.  Now
if they were to use DELIBERATE VIOLENCE--by smacking her every time she
did something they did not want her to do--would it not have the same
effect, and cure her of her fears?" (43).

     The couple proceed to do just that.  The author takes pains to
demonstrate thaat along with the violence are educational activities,
affection, encouragement, and attempts to involve Ann in family work
and fun.  If the account is accurate, the results are impressive.  Ann
by the end has rid herself of disturbing mannerisms and has a job she
enjoys.

     What to make of the claim that violence effected this cure?  The
human spirit has a remarkable capacity to turn painful experience to
a positive end.  The memoirs by and about autistic people I have been
reading suggest that the common denominator of success stories is
a tremendous amount of one-on-one personal attention focused on a child
from an early age.  That, Ann's parents certainly did.  My reading
(for example, Richard D'Ambrosio's NO LANGUAGE BUT A CRY and Myra
Rothenberg's CHILDREN WITH EMERALD EYES) also suggests that hideous
early childhood abuse can create autistic-like symptoms in children
who might otherwise developed typically.

     I'm not sure what my conclusion from all this varying testimony
is except that people have, in William Blake's words, the ability
to "make a heaven in hell's despite."  The fact that noble spirits
like Sean Barron and Donna Williams can look back at incidents of
violent treatment and conclude that they had the capacity to build
something positive out of them shouldn't be seen as an encouragement
to deliberate violence inflicted on others.

Wendy Bousfield
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From:         Jeffrey Yang <yang@PACIFIC.MITRE.ORG>
Subject:      Donna Williams video tape

Hi lisa,

Please include me to your distribution list of Donna Williams's
tape and other tapes.  Thanks.

Jeffrey Yang
1511 Coat Ridge Road
Herndon, VA 22070
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From:         Peter Hughes <phughes@APPLE.COM>
Subject:      Birthday present for autistic child

        This is a question especially for Jim Sinclair, but also for others whow
ho
may have an idea.  My son Talenyn's 6th birthday is coming up on the 17th.  He's
nonverbal, although he sometimes (grudgingly) goes for facilitated
 communication.
He's a sifter, that is he likes to pour and sift liquids and powders.  He loves
to stare at flowing water and the patterns of light that it makes.  Does
anyone have some good ideas for a birthday present?

                                Pete
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From:         "Deborah V. Good" <dgood@UA.D.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Birthday present for autistic child
              93 3:00 pm

Pete - did you indicate in your request how old the child was?  I
received your message in rather a garbled fashion.  My first thought was
- how about a lava lamp for his bedroom?  Deb
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Lisa, If possible,I would like to see the Rimland tape also.
Rosanne
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Subject:      Re: Auditory Integration Training

Lynda,
   I'm not the original one that asked but do you have a list of the the
AIT programs in New York, if there are any?

Thanks,
Ray Kopp
Syracuse, New York
Internet:rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu
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From:         "David L. Boucher" <BOUCHE2@UCC.UWINDSOR.CA>
Subject:      What exactly IS AIT anyway?

Could somebody please post a discription of what AIT is, how it is
performed, and what it is supposed to accomplish?  I have read a
dozen messages about it and all that i can tell is that it requires
some kind of machine and that it costs a lot of money.

- db
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