HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eshghi@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Kave Eshghi)
Subject: Re: repression of women
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:34:12 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

In article <rct.f86vp@lab.ntt.jp> farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP 
(Farzin Mokhtarian) writes: (in comparison with IRI's laws regarding women's
dress)

>
>But the exact same observation can be made about women's cover in the US.
>I mean there is a minimum cover that they are required to have in public
>BUT the principle is the same. I am not defending any particular system
>here. I am just pointing out that the two systems follow the same principle
>but only degrees are different. Try to separate yourself from any specific
>culture and you will see it that way too. You can say this is the degree of
>minimum cover that I believe is appropriate but you can not say that one
>country covers women and one country does not cover women.

Great! by the same analogy, drinking tea is the same as shooting heroin,
they are both addictive substances, only the degree is different! Also,
kissing your child is the same as raping her, both of them are a type of
intimate physical contact, only the degree is different. Farzin, I hope you
(and the other apologists of the inhuman treatment of women in today's Iran)
don't seriously think you can get away with this kind of schoolboy logic.
You can rationalize any atrocity, however gross, in the same way. For example,
Nazi apologists could say: so what, Nazi Germany killed all these Jews, but
many societies kill some of their citizens (for example, USA) for some reason,
so what the Nazis did was according to the same principle, only the degree
was different, and who are we to blame another society for its cultural
principles? After all, anti-semitism was a deeply rooted aspect of German
culture at the time, so Hitler acted according to the cultural
principles of German people,right?

By the way, the laughable excuse for the harrasment of women  presented by
Behnam Sadeghi (that the regime is 'forced' to take action against 'immodestly
dressed' women due to pressure from 'the people') can be used to justify
the killing of Jews in Germany (in fact, Hitler and Goebels often used 'public
pressure' to justify their murderous acts in the same way). You can always find
a 'public' which supports the most barbaric treatment of a section of the
population, if you are in power and it suits your political needs.

The point at issue is this: women have the right to choose their dress. Period.
And don't confuse the issue by talking about 'even in US women are not allowed
to go naked on the streets'. We are not talking about going naked on the
streets. We are talking about wearing the normal dress that women wear 
everywhere else on this planet. And don't give us the baloney about 'but
Iranian culture is different'. Iranian culture has existed a long time before
this regime came to power, and I can tell you with authority (as an Iranian)
that beating women on the streets, terrorizing them and arresting them for
showing a few strands of their hair is _not_ part of Iranian culture. It is
as alien and unwelcome as going naked on the streets would be.

Mash Bagher
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Islam
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:15:58 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <92258.110326U60001@uicvm.uic.edu> <U60001@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Being "the religion of unity," Islam dispalys more homogeneity and less
>religious diveristy than most world-wide religions.(Danial 127) Though
>Islam contains two major sects that seem to be very different, they are,
>in fact, more alike. Thus, they do not in any way destroy its unity. The unity
>of a religion is not destroyed by different applications of it, but by the
>destruction of its principles.(Daniel 28) The sects are mere dimensions within
>Islam placed to enable differing spiritual types to participate in it.
>(Daniel 28)

not to sound controversial or anything but you remind me of that guy afghahi
who wrote a few sentences of something he wanted to say and then disappeared.
so who are you?
salam alaikum
zafar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Iranian flag
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:54:47 GMT

8809787l@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:

>Salam Doostan

>I would like to know if any one out there knows the significants of the colors
>on the IRANIAN flag ( ie. green, white and red ).

>Thank you

I vaguely remember something from school years
Green for AABAADI (more trees and agriculture)
White for SOLH (peace and tranquility) 
Red   for Khoon (blood of martyrs killed for their country)

I think these three things have always been in the minds of our people.

Iran has for most parts dry climate.  Water resources exists but has to
be discovered and managed.  Therefore, people think that more AABAADI is
within reach by applying technology (for example Qanaat) to turn the
Khaki landscape to a greener one.

Stability and tranquility has always been the dream of Iranians.  Being
invaded by so many different powers and nomadic tribes people laways
looked for periods of peace.  In fact Iran has shown tremendous developments
in the peace periods.  Unfortunately we have not seen this for quite sometimes.

Iran has survived only because of the sacrifice of the people who offered
their lives in the defense of the land and the culture.  People of Iran
have always appreciated this fact and  have considered a special status
for our martyrs.

Green, white, red can stand for reconstruction, peace, independence.

Of course there may be other meanings of the colors,
it would be interesting to hear some more.

>Yours faithfully
>Peyam Pourbeik

Ala
From: M. Azadeh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: test
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:08:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6089
Distribution: or

This is a test.
Please dont take it ceroiuclii !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: India protests Iranian call for Islamic unity on Kashmir
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:23:19 GMT



	NEW DELHI, India (UPI) -- The Indian government Thursday protested
Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani's call for Islamic solidarity
with Pakistan in its dispute with India over the Muslim-majority
Himalayan territory of Kashmir.
	An Indian foreign ministry spokesman criticized Rafsanjani for using
religion to whip up passions in the Islamic world on a political dispute
between India and Pakistan.
	The government viewed Rafsanjani's remarks as an unjustified
interference in India's internal affairs, spokesman Aftab Seth told a
news briefing.
	A day earlier, Indian Home Affairs Minister S.B. Chavan warned that
Iran would be taught a ``bitter lesson'' if it failed to stop
interfering in Indian domestic affairs.
	Addressing the Pakistani Parliament Monday during a state visit, the
Iranian president said: ``Kashmir is not only Pakistan's problem, it is
a problem of the entire Islamic world.''
	Rafsanjani's remarks have surprised New Delhi because they followed
his recent talks with Indian Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao at the
summit of the non-aligned nations in Jakarta, Indonesia. Two senior
Indian officials, Minister of State for External Affairs Eduardo Faleiro
and Foreign Secretary Jyotindra N. Dixit, also held talks with Iranian
leaders during visits to Tehran in recent weeks.
	Kashmir is a strategic territory in south-central Asia whose control
is divided among India, Pakistan and China, with the largest portion --
the Kashmir valley -- under Indian rule. Kashmir also borders Afghanistan
and Tajikistan.
	Since 1990, Indian Kashmir has been hit by a violent resurgence of
Islamic separatism. Hundreds of people have died in the insurgency.
	India is determined to hold on to its portion of Kashmir, the
country's only Muslim-majority state, and has deployed tens of thousands
of troops to quell the insurrection.
	More than 200 Muslim guerrillas have been slain in a police crackdown
in Kashmir since last month, according to local authorities. But
hundreds of other heavily armed rebels continue to wage a hit-and-run
campaign in the region.
	India says it is deeply concerned over the spread of Islamic
fundamentalism in central and southwest Asia.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( )
Subject: Re: Munafeghin
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:24:03 GMT

<U60001@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Munafeghin-a zed-a khalqh are known to everybody entirely for their
>participation in anti-revolutionary activities against the khalqh-a
>IRAN. They are weak and can not propose themeselves socially or
>politically to the people of Iran. They are defeated politically,
>socially, and more obvious one militarily. They are so weak inside
>and outside that are forced to get united to some politically and
>socially bankrupt khak-bar-sari such as Saddam Hossein of Iraq.
>Marg bar munafegh. Marg bar zed-a Khalqh. Zend-a bad rah-h-a hagh.

I take the above as your explanation for Khamenei's
disgusting show of collecting money from women while
allowing them to kiss his hands or feet. After all,
he is the "leader" and must mimic his mentor's role.
That explains your slogans above and in particular 
the "Zend-a bad rah-h-a hagh" call.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Re: repression of women
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:09:04 GMT

In article <8SEP199212050638@reg.triumf.ca> mahin@reg.triumf.ca  writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.144149.18953@sei.cmu.edu>, psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes...
>..
>
>>1) When I consider how most men are, how ravenous we are, how rude and
>>sexually over concerned we are, I think the full-length chador makes perfect
>                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>sense--"out of sight, out of mind" as they say here.  I mean that I think if I
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>were a woman who understood the nature of men's minds, I would want to wear a
>>chador just to keep the playing field equal.  For all men like to criticize
>..
>
>I'm not even going to bother arguing over THIS one but I will say this to all
>the people who want to cover women in chadors, roosaris or whatever the hell
>else they have.  They can shove it up where it feels the best!
>
>Thank you!
>
>-Mahin (a non-believer)
>
>  ********************************************************************
>  *   A woman needs only 4 animals in her life:                      *
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>  *           1.  a mink on her back                                 *
>  *           2.  a jaguar in her garage                             *
>  *           3.  a tiger in her bed                                 *
>  *           4.  and a jackass to pay for it all                    *
>  ********************************************************************
>

 Mahin;

 No one is going to argue with you and challenge you 
 on your intelligence.

  
 Best of wishes for you.

 Amir


 P.S. I hope you find your dream jackass someday. 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Ahoora joon)
Subject: Re: Hello Again
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:42:55 GMT

In article <BuF41L.Ju5@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:
>In article nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi) writes:
>>"repression of women in Iran".
>
>>basically throwing them all in a bus and taking them to komiteh.  I saw them stop
>>cars in Mohseni sq. and load a bus with people.  Several people I know where
>>taken to komiteh's while I was there.  Mr. Behnam Sadeghi says they weren't
>>arrested but rather stopped due to "their immodest dress".  What is an immodest
>>dress sir?  A brick colored manteau?   
>>
>
>That is exactly what one of my friends told me after she got back from
>Iran. She said the load people up in the busses which are there for that
>purpose and take them to Kommitteh and fine people according to what
>"crime" they have committed for example :
>
And they only accept US dollars, Wow. Even the Komiteh has realized how 
 worthless the Rial has become.

What a country. What do you say guys, shall we all move back?
>* "God Come down , If you are really there. Well, You're  *
>*  the one who claims to care ....   "   The Mozzerman    *
>***********************************************************


-- 
ahriman
(aka Lucifer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.rights.human
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:47:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.213204.29733@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,
montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:
> 
>    I was wondering if & how things would be different under Rajavi.
> 
>      Hubert.


1.      Rafsanjani


          fsan  n -------->(throw these away)
2.      Ra    ja i<-------(compress)


3.      Raja i
            v <------------(add)

4.      Rajavi


There! see the difference?  8-)

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
From: ahmad@lime.uucp (Ahmad Esmaeili)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Response to everyone
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:16:01 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies

In article <BuFAtK.w9@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:
>Strange thoughts, I am from Shiraz and have heard jokes about Almost the
>entire Iran except shiraz. I , being a shirazy , know that we have alot to
>make fun of , besides shirazy accent which I honestly dislike . But I've
>never heard any joke of Shirazi's. I would like to hear some if anyone
>knows any jokes. as a matter of fact since I know it's rare , I 'll
>challenge you to come up with a joke about shiraz. If I don't see enough
>challenge, I'll start myself. But I wait for you guys and gals first. 
>Ramin


bA salAm,

I have never heard any Shirazi jokes either, however jokes are 
easy to make. I just made up a couple of them for you and my
other Shirazi friends. They might be tasteless but definitely
original cuz I just made them up so hope you guys enjoy them.

BTW, you have to be Shirazi to get these jokes if anyone needs
further explanation, ask Ramin.

Question: Why does Shirazi "french fries" taste sweet?
Answer:   Because they make them with "Aloo" in Shiraz.

Question: Why don't Shirazis and Rashties get along?
Answer:   Because Shirazies always have a "Rashti" pick up their garbage.

-Ahmad AghA




P.S. Rasht means AshghAl (garbage) and Aloo means sib-zaminie in ShirAzi.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,comp.std.internat
From: mammad@parsis.com (Mammad Zadeh)
Subject: Paper on Persian Codesets
Keywords: Persian Codesets, Persian Fonts, FSCII, FSFE
Organization: Parsis, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:53:12 GMT

Those of you who are interested in obtaining a copy of the following 
paper on Persian codesets, please contact me directly. Thanks.


		A Persian Codeset for Information Interchange

			     Mammad M. Zadeh
			      Saied Kazemi

			      Parsis, Inc.

		             August 4, 1992

			        Abstract

A standard character encoding method is essential for the effective
exchange of information among computer systems and peripherals.  The
most widespread encoding for English characters is the 7-bit American
Standard Code for Information Interchange (ASCII). Additional standards
have been developed by various international committees to support
other languages. But to date, there is no well accepted standard
character encoding method for Persian. Although in recent years some
progress has been made, no true standard has emerged.  Traditionally,
Persian has been considered as an extension to existing Arabic
codesets, but this approach has several drawbacks. In this paper, we
will discuss the strengths and shortcomings of some existing codesets
as well as outlining the requirements for Persian information
interchange.  In conclusion, we will propose a codeset for Persian
information interchange (FSCII), and an encoding scheme for Persian 
fonts (FSFE) that meet all of the outlined requirements.

--mammad

e-mail: mammad@parsis.com
or:	Mammad Zadeh
	Parsis, Inc.
	606 Wilshire Blvd. #208
	Santa Monica, CA 90401
	(310) 917-2650
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.rights.human
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Is Iran/Iranians terrorist ?
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:56:20 GMT
Organization: UB


Why is it that everytime the name Iran comes up the word terrorist follows
it? I know that Iranians are very calm people and not like some nations are
bloodthurst. 

Well we should thank our "dearest" government for leading the terrorism 
in the world, so wherever we go we are known as terrorists.

I heard that the crulest and best terrorists come from Germany, where
Labanees are second best. But we are better known to the world than others.
So , thank you mr. Ayatollah and mr. Rafsinjani and all others who
contribute to this successful achievment of title " Terrorist ".

Ramin S.
  
*****************************************************************************
* "We hate it when our friends become successfull. And if we could destroy  *
*  them , you bet your life we would ....   "   The Mozzerman               *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: It _Is_ 'oh, not again' (Re: Baha'i prespective...)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 02:24:07 GMT
Organization: Here We Go Again
Keywords: Baha'i Laws

In article <i.716509551@home> Mohaghegh writes:
>Mr. Bavafa writes:
>> I know, I know it was Mr. Hakim who said it first.  So you have some hangup
>> against him, perhaps?  Let's continue . . .
>No, I have no hangup against anyone. 

Thanks for clarification.  'ghorboon-e dahanet, ostAd.'  I rest my case now.  

>> Dam'it, why don't you make up your mind. BTW, nobody is talking about Baha'i
>> Laws here.  And even if we Baha'is are 'shifteh' of our laws, we do not 
>> impose it upon any non-Baha'i.

>Yes, we are talking about Baha'i laws here. The law of "burning alive whomever
>burns a house intentionally". " Burning alive is punishment for arson is 
>Mr. Hakim's interpretation.

OK, OK.  Why didn't you say so from beginning?  Let's hear what _your_
interpretation is.  As for my input, I feel the discussion about particulars of
the Baha'i Faith laws ought to be taken to other newsgroups.  It's an opinion
only, OK?

>The issue is the Baha'i law of "19 misghal of gold for urban women's marriage
>and 19 misghal of silver for that of rural women". Mr. Hakim's interpretaion
>is the rest of the statement (which is marked for your guide).

Ok, you want to talk about laws.  I am beginning to understand what you want
to discuss.  Sorry, it's me who is 'kond zehn.'  My answer is still in the
above paragraph.


>Please refer to page 9 of the book Ighdas, the actual recommendation is there.

Thanks for the reference.

>If you are interested to know about Baha'i leaders predictions about future
>and to what extent it has  materialized, I will gladly write it for you.

Thanks, but at this point we were talking about Baha'i Laws.  Let's leave the
predictions for another round.  You may still _choose_ to talk about them in 
this newsgroup, though.

>Mohaghegh

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: sbog6936@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bin Ong)
Subject: Re: Malaysia to choose F16 or Mig29
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:13:02 GMT

af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:


>In a previous article, engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau) says:

>>Having some form of early warning has always been part of Singapore defence
>>strategy.  If you follow Singapore's news closely you would know our defence
>>outline.  We are quite capable to provide surveillance within a 500 km radius.
>>Mine sweeping and ASW capability has been added recently.  Speaking of
>>surprise attack, the citizen has been participating in the civil defence
>>training in which they know how to react during emergency.  How do you
>>stage a surprise attack?  By air?  I can name you two airfields which are
>>within their combat radius from Singapore.  One is located in Kuantan and
>>the other is somewhere in Sumatra.  With these 2 air-fields covered, the
>>probability becomes very small.  Everyone is worry about chemical attack.
>>And it is perfectly possible that iraqi is the supplier of some of these.
>>If Israel can provide every citizen with a gas mask do you think we cannot
>>do so when the situation arises?  At any one time, there are 300k to half a 
>>million foreign workers in Singapore.  What do you think will the reaction be
>>from their home country of such an surprise attack?  Anyway, I frankly think
>>that you're new to military operations.  You stage an surprise attack to
>>neutralise the enemy's military power not to use that for man-slaugther.
>>To sum it all, military defence is just one arm of our Total Defence strategy.
>>Whatever you think of now is nothing new to our defence strategists.


>The above article just goes to prove how "KIA-SU" Singaporeans are. Tis
>funny how Singaporeans have this phobia of being attacked while Malaysians
>could care less about doing so. Oi..wake up and smell the teh-o, lahh!!
>If y'all get too naughty, we'll just raise the Causeway, and y'all
>might just end up neighbours with New Zealand. Kiwipore? Naahhh...  ;)

Nah, we ain't so 'kia-su' as trying to tell you M'sians how 'ulu'
and holding on to the kampung boy syndrome. We afraid of being attacked?
C'mon, M'sia only added a calvary (armor) arm to their military in the
mid-late 80s? I don't know why, but a good guess is that, since
M'sia is more primary rainforest than developed, jungle training is more important than urban warfare training. And raising the causeway? Aw, shucks, hate 
to think of all the businesses folding up in JB, esp the gas stations. Then again, maybe we'll just keep our banks and CPF blacker than ever.....

Bin Ong
bin-ong@uiuc.edu
Univ of Illinois





Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: chai@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ian Chai)
Subject: Hey! One of ours! (was Re: ONENESS AND UNIQUENESS etc.)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:56:11 GMT

looi@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Wan Looi) writes:
>I echo your comments. I think the poster is just being ignorant. 
>To the poster, I hope you appreciate and value the freedom of
[...]
>-looi (a taoist)

Hey! One of our own on this thread! I thought it was just the British
flaming the poor fellow... 8-)

Yeah, he was messed up in his newsgroups there... but I guess if he
believes the stuff he isn't wrong to say it... but perhaps doing it
on a more relevant newsgroup would be more appropriate.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean