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From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Next Swars movieskip
Date: 13 Oct 92 10:54:00 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1b7ascINN99f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu (dann cutter) says:
> 
>>I can't really say where I got this but... this is just to confirm any
>>doubt: There is another SW movie (series) being made. Can't say any more...
> 
> OK, as long as someone else is going out on a limb, I might as well
> add my two cents.  The magazine I write for, the Cleveland Ansible,
> published a "Random Factoid" early this year stating that the series
> was in pre-production.  It said that Anthoy Daniels had already been
> signed, and that negotiations were going on with Mark Hammill to play
> the part of young Anakin.  (Or was it young Obi-Wan?  Probably Anakin.)

Ummm, I hate to be the one to dampen such enthusiasm, but even if this
rumor is true, "pre-production" is virtually meaningless.  For
example, Batman was in "pre-production" for about 5-7 (could be more
or less), Spider-Man has been there for about a decade, etc.

                                        -Drizzt
 
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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SW Chess Set?
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:59:27 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct14.212310.17292@cs.mun.ca> craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin) writes:
>Brian Perler and Brian Panulla write:
>
>> A Star Wars chess set?  Interesting.  Of course, the question is:
>> who would each of the pieces be?  I've come up with the following
>> (tentative) idea:

[Mine and Brian Panulla's and Craig Coffin's ideas removed for space]

>   Maybe substitute Ewoks as Pawns, but then you'd have to use Jawas
>on the Imperial side.  Does anyone know if the 2 bishops, knights, and
>rooks in the Trek set are identical?  My choice for the SW set would be
>to use different characters (e.g. R2/3PO).
>   Anyway, just my $0.02 credits standard.

Yes, I think you'd definitely need to use separate characters.  It's
finding enough characters to use for the Imperials that's the 
problem.  I've come up with a revision (and I'm still working
on it.  Something still doesn't seem right):

White (Rebels)
King: Luke
Queen: Leia
King's Bishop: Ben
Queen's Bishop: Han
King's Knight: C-3PO
Queen's Knight: Chewbacca
King's Rook: R2-D2
Queen's Rook: Lando
Pawns: Rebel Troopers (though which ones is hard to say: the ones
from the Blockade Runner, the X-Wing pilots, the ones in Hoth gear,
the ones from Endor, etc.)

Black (Imperials)
King: Emperor
Queen: Vader
King's Bishop: Tarkin
Queen's Bishop: Piett (even if they look nearly identical, it won't matter)
King's Knight: Probably the Royal Guard
Queen's Knight: Boba Fett (I've gotta get this guy in somewhere)
King's Rook:
Queen's Rook: (these are difficult, as I can't think of anyone to put
in here.  I may go with the AT-ST and possibly another vehicle or
device, but I was trying to use characters.)
Pawns: Stormtroopers

Thanks for the ideas (which you'll notice I've incorporated).  I'll
keep working on it (not that this set will ever see the light of
day, but it's fun to think about).

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke's lightsaber
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:10:57 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <7SWRB4XL@cc.swarthmore.edu> kennedy@cs.swarthmore.edu (Sean Kennedy) writes:
>albusacc@eos.ncsu.edu (ALEXANDRIA LIN BUSACCA) writes:
>
>
>>I was watching ROTJ & noticed that during the scene at the Rancor pit
>>when Luke uses his lightsaber to fend off his attackers all the
>>lightsaber does is either knock then over or push them out of the way.
>>In ESB when Luke and Vader are dueling Vader cuts off Luke's hand.  Is
>>there some special reason why the lightsaber does not do any damage to
>>any other part of the body except the hands, also in ROTJ when Vader &
>>Luke duel for the second time Luke slices off Vader's hand.
>>(Like father like son ;}  )
>
>>Any suggestions?...
>
>	Because it would be extremely disgusting to vividly show people
>getting cut in half and blood going everywhere!
>
>
>
>			--Sean Kennedy
>			  kennedy@cs.swarthmore.edu

Sean and several others have pointed out that such a scene would have been
inappropriate for SW audiance. While this is true, it is no excuse for making
a consistancy error. The maker could have selectively shown the scene with
the really gross stuff cut out (like the scene in Mos Eisly [sp?] ).

I also noted this problem and gave the following - admitedly contrived -
explaination:

The lightsaber (LS) is powered and controlled by the force, Luke can make
it act as a "slicer" (in duels), an "anti-blaster" (when shot at with Lasers),
a "stick" (over Rancor pit), or any of many other modes. The latter mode is
probably the easiest and least energetic of all. When in an intense battle,
with rapid reuse of the LS, Luke choose to place it in the "stick" mode, as
it makes no difference if his victims are cut in half or fall down the pit.

If a LS is nothing more than a knife that will cut through anything, than Solo
would have been right when he said that "ancient weapon and hockey? religion
are no much for a good blaster" and Ben wrong when he claimed the LS is an
"elegant weapon".


Dan Shoham
shoham@ll.mit.edu
From: 126580828@cats.ucis.vill.edu (!GENTILE, JOSEPH)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vaders death
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:08:00 GMT
Organization: Villanova University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Oct7.123810.3147@cs.hw.ac.uk>, adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt) writes...
>In article <BvJ769.Eu2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin) writes:
>>jbell@mihi.une.edu.au (Master of Puppets) writes:
>>
>>>Umm, why exactly DID Vader die????
>>>Luke withstood MUCH more than Vader from the emporer
>>>whats the story?
>>
>>As I mentioned previously in my post describing the Jedi script (am I the
>>only one who tries to read carefully?), Vader dies from a combination of:
>>1) the battering he takes from Luke
>>2) the tremendous physical effort needed to throw the Emperor into the shaft
>>3) the Emperor's lightning that strikes Vader
> 
>Also, note that up till then, the Emperor had not been trying to kill Luke -
>only to torture him.  By contrast, the bolts directed at Vader were intended
>to kill Vader before Vader killed him.  The Emperor wanted to hurt Luke, and
>then kill him slowly; he wanted to kill Vader quickly.
> 
>Besides, what you didn't see was the Emperor flipping a couple of the switches
>on Vader's chest. :-)
> 
>-- 
> "Keyboard?  How quaint!" - M. Scott
> 
> Adrian Hurt			     |	JANET:  adrian@uk.ac.hw.cs
> UUCP: ..!uknet!cs.hw.ac.uk!adrian   |  ARPA:   adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk

Also note that the majority of Vader's body was mechanical, therefore the
electricity would do more damage to him instead of Luke
!
                                                      Just a thought,
                                                    Joe"Chaos"Gentile
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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Subject: Re: Question about a scene from Jabba's place
Keywords: sw
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:11:37 GMT

In article <Bw2LGx.3Do@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rku45136@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rajiv Udani) writes:
>I was watching ROTJedi on HBO last night. I never understood why the dancing
>girl in Jabba's place was finghting with Jabba and thrown to the Rancor (I 
>think the dancer's name was Oola, or something like that.)

	So we would be able to forshadow what would happen to Luke when he was
caught standing on the grate, of course.  :)  I don't know of any actual\
reason except maybe she finally got so grossed out that she decided to try
and escape even though she knew she probably wouldn't be able to.  
Also so C3P0 would know it's there and be able to shout out to Luke in his
annoying-but-funny whiney voice.



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From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: Re: names of all the bounty hunters in esb?
Originator: cmgeorg@c00081-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:40:52 GMT


In article <1au8s3INNauo@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu 
  (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:

|>
|>Does anyone know offhand the names of all the bounty hunters in
|>ESB?  I know most of them--Bossk, Boba Fett, Dengar, IG-88, and
|>Zuckuss (I think)--but were there others?
|>Thanks for any replies.
|>keith

Those are correct, there's also 4-LOM.  Pronunciation?  Well I have heard:
"4 -LOOM" and "4-LOAM".  Personally, I distinctly remember the TV commercial
that advertised this figure as a mail order freebee and the guy called it
"4-L.O.M."

-Chris

   
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++                                                                           
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: EmpireStrikes Script
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:29:53 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: dlm4731@zeus.tamu.edu's message of 11 Oct 92 16:57:00 GMT

>>>>> On 11 Oct 92 16:57:00 GMT, dlm4731@zeus.tamu.edu (MAREK, DAVID LESLIE) said:

dlm4731> First, a big heaping thanks to those who took the time and
dlm4731> got ep 4&6 scripts in the ftp archive.  I thought that a
dlm4731> while back or so, someone was scanning in The Empire Strikes
dlm4731> Back script??  What ever happened, and will a copy be
dlm4731> available soon??  

Yes....
--
 Scott Streeter                             Keeper of the Star Wars Archive
 ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu        130.215.24.1
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From: craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin)
Subject: Re: Star Wars hype? Not!
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:59:46 GMT

The illustrius Pat Ellis (the DM) <IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

> What I would like to see is to commercial/hype that doesn't show
> anything from the movie.  Kind of like what happened about four
> or five months before Willow came out.  Lots of hints and suggestions
> but clear picture.  Every one will want to see the movie because
> its star Wars.  Perhaps a few adds alot the lines of the intro to
> Star wars (In a galaxy far far away........ ) with very brief clips
> of film 2 or 3 second at most...... any comments?

      The original SW movie ad went along these lines (the one that
   is included at the end of the Empire videocassette).  Short clips
   of film, with a few quick lines:

      "Oh my, I've forgotten how much I hate space travel."
      "This station is now the ultimate power in the universe."
      "The Force will be with you... always."
      "They're coming in too fast!"
      "Rwarroughhh!!!"    :-)

      and 

      "I want to learn the ways of the Force and become a Jedi
       like my father."

   Actually, some time ago, my girlfriend watched the trilogy for
   the first time, so I showed her this ad to get her interested.
   When the above line came up, she turned to me, and quite
   innocently said:  "Who exactly IS Luke's father?"

   What could I say?

-- 

Craig Coffin          |  "Try not.  Do, or do not.  There is no try."
craig@odie.cs.mun.ca  |       -- Yoda, TESB
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ROTJ-Lynch, ROTJ-Soap Opera
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:21:26 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct13.030120.7955@udel.edu> lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
>In article <1bav3nINNlbt@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ST201714@brownvm.brown.edu () writes:
>>
>>I DID like ROTJ, but I would much rather watch SW  and TESB any day.  They were
>> less soap-opera-ish.  I was always waiting for Chewbacca to inform us that
>>Chief Chirpa was a distant relative of an outcast Wookie, who helped Vader in
>>the slave-trade.  Or that somehow, Wedge was Luke's half-brother from his mom's
>> second marriage with the King (?) of Alderrann (sp?) 
>
>
>	Gosh, you mean relating characters to lots of other characters is
>*bad*? Damn, I knew I'd been reading trash all these years-- this, whaddaya
>call it, Greek mythology stuff. Someone better have a word with Ovid and
>Hesiod and those other hacks. :)

No, relating characters to lots of other characters isn't bad, at least
not when most of these relationships are pre-defined.  However, when
you use the standard soap-opera method of taking two random
characters and deciding that they're related for no apparant reason,
that *is* bad.  Anyone who tries to compare Ovid, Hesiod, Homer,
et. al. to the writers of Dynasty and General Hospital should be
dragged out into the street and shot.  IMHO, of course.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
From: boisvert@yaya.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: More sources about:(No more movies?)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 15:57:40 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: yaya.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct7.133404.2425@ncsu.edu> cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS) writes:
>
>|>In article <92280.133504BNB101@psuvm.psu.edu>, <BNB101@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
> 
>    Brandon's stuff about Cinemastique and "no more movies" deleted
>
>>In article <92281.015240DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
>     In a nutshell: he read the mag also, and doesn't like "heresay" over the 
>     net.  He wants more printed proof.
>___________________
>
>Well, a few months back I posted the article that appeared in Parade ,the weekly
>magazine included in many Sunday papers.  They said that Lucas WILL make the 
>prequels to his movies (i.e. the first three).  I have the article at my 
>apartment and it's pretty short so I can repost for those of you who doubt my 
>synopsis.
>
>-Chris

	Also, Lucas HIMSELF was on Good Morning America this spring (the day
before Young Indy premired).  When asked if there were going to be more Star
Wars movies he said "yes, sure."  He was a little skimpy on the specifics, but
he basically said that the stories all already written in his head and he just
has to find the time to sit down and make the movies.  He implied that he would
start doing this after he was through with Young Indy (which I assume means 
production should begin in about 2-3 years, which makes May '97 a promising
release date).  So, anyway, millions of people saw Lucas say that there would
be more movies, so I doubt that magazine's story.



-- 
Brian R. Boisvert    Worcester Polytechnic Institute    boisvert@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Subject: Re: Returning Jedi
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:12:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.093501.9307@vax.oxford.ac.uk> fraser@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> I believe that in French the title was _Le Retour *du* Jedi_ (singular), and
>have always supposed that the Jedi doing the returning was Anakin; after all, 
>it is he who kills the Emp. and so overthrows the Empire - there was no way 
>Luke could have done that.
> In ANH incidentally I think the new hope is Luke - Leia says that Obi Wan
>is "my only hope", but in fact it is Luke who rescues her, blows up the DS and
>eventually indirectly helps bring down the Empire.

	You don't give Luke enough credit here. :)  Sure, it is Darth Vader
who does the actual physical-killing of the Emperor (unless you believe the
stuff they print in Dark Horse's Dark Empire comics), but it was Luke's
strength in the force and commitment to his father that caused Darth Vader
to turn from the Dark Side back to the Light.  In ESB it was mentioned by
the Emperor that he had forseen that Luke could "destroy us" (us meaning
Emperor and Darth Vader)  And he did, he destroyed Darth Vader in the same
way Darth Vader destroyed Anakin Skywalker.  Luke was much stronger in the
force than Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker (and even Obi-Wan for that matter,
considering Luke *did* turn Anakin whereas ObiWan failed when he "once
though like" Luke (That DV could be turned back).  The only reason Darth was
able to kill the Emperor whereas Luke couldn't is that DV had a major element
of surprise.  BTW.  I always loved the ROTJ scene in which Darth Vader
keeps looking back and forth between Luke and the Emperor, even though
he is wearing the mask, you can see how confused Darth Vader is while 
deciding what to do.
From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Mara Jade (A New Thread)
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:27:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw8s1L.AEr
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

<MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>Any clue what is going to happen to Mara in the new Zahn book?

>I assume that Thrawn and Pellaeon are going to be removed (ie: bumped off)
>in the fashion of all important Impies in the movies (except Vader and the
>Emperor)

>But what is going to happen to the other main character introduced in
>HTTE and DFR?  Is she going to be a 'good' character (join the New Alliance)
>or is she going to be bumped off?

>I tend to believe the latter, since that way whenever Lucas gets around to
>making Episodes VII-IX, he doesn't have to worry about assimilating a new
>character into the Rebellion/New Alliance, and Episode VII falls in nicely
>behind ROTJ...


     I believe that there is an underlying relationship between
Mara and Luke. Since she has shown some ability to use the Force,
I think Luke will take it upon himself to teach her. Besides, am
I the only one who has noticed a little romance brewing? Comments
on this are welcome, but please, no flames. Anyway, this is what
I think is going to happen in the new novel.

>Also, any clue on what Episodes VII-IX will be called?  For I-III, I've seen
>"The Clone Wars" (for I), and "Bane of the Jedi" and "The Fall of the Republic"
>mentioned for III (or is FotR II?)

>Something to keep us talking about, rather than how Vader died, etc...

>Mike
>---
>                     Mike Weintraub  mweintr@american.edu
>                   The American University -- Kenobi on IRC
>            "Life in two dimensions is a mass production scheme"
>                         --Rush,  "Grand Designs"

    i don't really have too much to say on these other things. Bye
for now.

Cory Padfield
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From: rku45136@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rajiv Udani)
Subject: Question about a scene from Jabba's place
Summary: sw
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:19:40 GMT
Keywords: sw


I was watching ROTJedi on HBO last night. I never understood why the dancing
girl in Jabba's place was finghting with Jabba and thrown to the Rancor (I 
think the dancer's name was Oola, or something like that.)

Any explanations?

thanks
rajiv
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: No more movies?
Date: 7 Oct 92 07:30:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Oct7.003044.2131
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <92280.133504BNB101@psuvm.psu.edu> BNB101@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>
>    I read an article in the march 1992 issue of Cinematastique entitled
>'Where's Star Wars 4'.  It told of how Lucas approached Joe Johnson and asked
>him to direct the next movie.  Mr. Johnson insisted he get to do all three in
>sequence at the same time to cut costs.  Lucas agreed and preproduction was
>started.  But all of a sudden, Lucas told everyone to go home and the project
>was aborted.  Lucas was quoted as saying,"I'm bored with Star Wars I want to do
>something new."  The article got nasty afterwards, commenting on Lucas' penny
>pinching style of business.  It concluded by saying the closest we'll get to
>another movie is to read the Zahn novels and Dark Horse comics.
>     I was heartbroken to find all this out, I pray its not true.
>
>                                              Brandon.


*ANYTHING* you read in Cinemafastique you should take with a pinch of Salt,
or actually, a salt lick....

Cinemafastique has a nasty habbit of pasting together random comments and
quotes taken way out of context and formign them into what appears to be an
interview....This is the major reason that almost nobody, at least in the
profession, ever takes them seriously, any why even more will not grant
*REAL* interviews to them....

In my opinion, ignor what they say, and wait for the official word from the
LucasFilm Fan Club.....

Dave
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