From: marsiske@vax1.mpib-berlin.mpg.dbp.de (Michael Marsiske)
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Subject: Y&R: This and that
Date: 13 Oct 1992 06:55:55 -0500
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Mike from Berlin here.

Thanks in large part to the graciousness of Kim Long, I have some idea
where things stand on Y&R.  Had to put in my 2 cents worth...

First, a little historial point:  Someone said that Ashley almost married
her half brother.  This is obviously a long term viewer, because it 
represents a mixup of two related stories.

Years ago, it was revealed that Lorie Brooks was really not the daughter
of Stuart Brooks.  Rather, years before Lorie's mother had had an affair
with Bruce Henderson--during a downtime in her marriage to Stuart.  The
product of that union was Lorie.  The Brooks marriage revealed itself, and
--that is, repaired itself--and Stuart and Jennifer had two additional
daughters after Lorie (not to forget Leslie, the oldest).  Anyway, as luck
would have it, Lorie drifted from affair to affair until she finally met
the right man--Mark Henderson.  You get the idea....mom was passionately
against the union, which seemed hurtful to Lorie who had found her "one
true love".  Mom couldn't reveal the reason for her objections....until
the climactic scene in which Lorie's paternity was revealed.  Very dramatic,
as I remember it.

This is in contrast to Ashley's story.  The basic elements were similar:

John was busy building Jabot, and Dina felt neglected--hence the dalliance
with Brent Davis, tennis pro.  Ashley was the result of that union, and
Dina almost killed Brent and escaped from Genoa City to hide that secret.
Discovery of HER paternity drove Ashley mad....The man you may be thinking
that Ashley had an affair with was Eric Garrison.  Eric was not Ashley's
brother, but he WAS her mother's (Dina's) LOVER!  That was a complicated
story, and I don't think Ashely and Eric's relationship ever recovered
from Eric's earlier relationship with Dina.

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On to the bigger news, from my perspective:  Victor and Jill!  There is
loathing being expressed all over the net, and I just don't understand it.

On the one hand, I understand that Victor is played SO WELL that people
can dislike his overbearing strength and scowl.  That is a credit to
Eric Braeden, that he has created such a masterful character.

I can understand those who think Jill is stupid (for blowing her chance
with John) and those who think that Victor is using her (given his current
between-women status).  But THINK OF THE DRAMA!  Jack has a long-term
rivalry with both Victor and Jill--and can now use news of the relationship
to blackmail Jill and ruin her chances with John.  Jill is hurting John,
which will anger Ashley--who will also be angry with Jill because they
share a rivalry over Blade.  Kay loves Nikki (who loves Victor) and hates
Jill.  The hurt this affair will cause Nikki will intensify Kay's
rivalry with Jill.  

Then, of course, there is the promise of the relationship itself.  Victor
has steadfastly (the one, fascinating exception was Cassandra--and she
was in a "weak" phase) gone for younger, weaker women.  Jill is more
of an age with Victor, and she is CERTAINLY not weak.  Think of the sparks
that will ignite when these two have a fight.  Think of the conflicts
between Jill and Nikki if Jill decides she WANTS THIS MAN!  Ah, I only
wish I could see this delicious turn of events.

And there is more....Jill wants to push Nina and Ryan together--so she
will explode at news of the Victoria/Ryan union.  Victor's reaction is
bound to be similar, but stronger.  Now, put the two of these folks
together:  Poor Victoria-Ryan-Nina don't stand a chance.  Maybe the Nina and
Jill rivalry will resurface.  It gets better yet....John, disillusioned,
gravitates to Flo.  Jill can't stand anaother woman having John, and FURTHER
intensifies her conflicts with Flo and Nina....

Yes, the marvellous acting of Eric Braeden and Jess Walton promises a 
pairing of unprecedented drama, from this distant vantage point.  Am I all
alone in this?  Am I the only one not disgusted?

Mike
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