From: ruthd@aix.rpi.edu (Davis Paul Ruth)
Subject: Re: Why the Jets?
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:48:20 GMT

un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>>>QB-Miami has Dan Marino who, when Montana is out of the picture, could be
>>>           the league's #1 QB show
>>>   NY has O'Brien who is pathetic, and Nagle who is virtually a rookie
>>>           since he has 0 playing time.
>> 
>> O'Brien is hardly pathetic, and Nagle has lots O'Talent.
>>  No one says they are better than Marino.

>Testaverde has potential too, and so did Brister...O'Brien is pathetic.
>I cannot think of a better word to describe him, 9 out of 10 other teams
>wouldn't start him, and on several teams he wouldn't make the team.

PLEASE show proof of why O'Brien PATHETIC!!!!!
( almost 60% completions and one of the lowest int% in AFC 
also for Toon and Moore to get around 2000 yds rec. with a pathetic QB
       ...they must be GODS.
Testaverde has always been an overrated bum.(see Miami vs. Penn st.)
He was the creation(victim?) of media hype gone wild. And T.B. was
stupid to draft him folding to media pressure.
Nagle has much more promise than 'verde or brister ever had.


>> 
>>>RB-Miami looks to have finnaly found a feature back in Mark Higgs and a good
>>>           third down/blocker/recieving back in Paige 
>>>   NY has Blair Thomas who despite his moments has yet to really get a
>>>           consistent role down, Baxter who seems to fade in and out of
>>>           favor, McNeil who is just to damn old and run down, or Hector
>>>           who I dunno what.
>> 
>> Will Someone please volunteer some proof that McNeil is washed up!
>>   He averaged over 6 yards a carry last year. And he is a great guy to
>>    have for spot duty.  Baxter is a GREAT FB and a great short distance
>>   goal-line, 3rd-and-1 runner. Hector is a more than adequate back-up.
>>   B.Thomas has yet to show me any thing, and I still wish they had
>>   drafted Rodney Hampton instead Thomas.
>> 
>Can he carry the load like he USED to? No.  I do not have his stats but if they
>were like that then why didn't he get used more?  there has to be a reason!
>Baxter may be above average and even good, but Great??? C'mon your fan bias
>is showing!  Hector I agree with.

Baxter is great in a FB role as a blocker and short distance runner.
almost unstopable in short yardage situations, and a devastating blocker.

>> Higgs had one decent year and is hardly a notable "feature back".
>>      and what depth do they have.
>>  
>It was the first year he was utilized...was he a second or third year guy?
>With Miamia's inferior line, that never rush blocks (virtually) and he
>looks good.  He made people miss, broke tackles, and showed alot of poise,
>more than any of the Jet backs, who (IMO) used blocking better.

McNeil, Hector, Thomas all make people miss.
McNeil, Hector both show plenty of poise.
(Note lack of Thomas in poise category)
And one of the most important features of a good RB is using blocking
to its fullest advantage.


>> The Jets had a much MUCH much better running game than Miami, and
>>   that is a fact. 
>> 
>I am talking about next year...next year Higgs will most likely be the featured
>guy all year, and IMO he will be really good, maybe 1,000 yard time.

GUARANTEE:  The Jets WILL have more Rushing yds than the Fish :) next
       year most likely by as wide a margin as last year.
 
>> 
>>>OL-Miami doesn't hve a great line anymore But with Marino this weakness is
>>>           somewhat offset.
>>>   NY has  better OL but it isn't particularly super either
>> 
>> The Jets Line was much improved and above average, Marino was sacked almost 
>> as often as O'brien last year, and the Jets had a much better yds/carry.

>I said NY has a better line...the thing I said with marino is that because of
>his quick release the weakness is hidden slightly.  
>> 
>>>WR-Miami has the edge because they have two good veterans in Clayton and
>>>           Duper while they are getting older for 1 more year they are still
>>>           a better tandem than Moore and Toon.
>>>   NY's Toon and Moore are a good combo but Toon shows his age more and more
>>>           each year, while Moore is still a young guy a little wet behind
>>>           the ears still though he should cure that middle this season.
>> 
>> The Jets get the edge at WR , Toon and Moore vs. Duper and clayton
>> T&M get more receptions for less yardage per rec. but this is because
>> the jets don't go deep nearly as often as Miami, and if O'Brien was so
>> pathetic then T&M must be amazing.  Also the jets have a lot more
>> depth with Mathis, Burkett, Dawkins. And the Jets have the edge in yards

>Clayton and Duper are aging and showing it.  Toon was doing the same, until
>he seemed to have a bit of rejuvenation this year.  Your fan bias is again
>glaring.  T&M are not as good as Clayton and Duper at deep stuff, witch was
>my point...the Phins are more explosive and as such IF one of these two teams
>were going to knock the Bills out of the title slot, I would pick Miami.

The past couple of seasons Al Toon was Injured and last year he was 
finally healthy.  And also Miami would quickly and easily trade
either Clayton or Duper for Moore but the Jets would never do this
because he is just as good(if not better than both) AND around 10 yrs
younger. 


>> Total Defensive edge:  BIIIIIIIIIIIGG Edge to Jets

>Which i had said...why comment on it?
>> 
>> Total Offense:  Relatively even (Only because Marino)
>> 
>In your dreams.

Their offenses were almost equal in total yardage, BUT the jets had
more than 600 more yards rushing than Miami.  AND 600 yds passing
does not equal 600 yds rushing.  The Jets had a ball control offense
that still managed to trail only Buffalo and Houston in total yards
(in AFC) The Jet Offense wasn't as "Explosive" as Miami's but it
was more productive.

>> Jets were 8-8 last year and lost 4 or 5 close games that they Should
>>  have one, and would have if Leahy wasn't injured throughout the
>>  season. 

>Tell the Packers how if not for 5 or 6 plays you would have been 10-6 or
>whatever.  Infante whined about the same thing....I tell 49er fans this
>all the time...luck is part of the game...it is one of those things that
>you either get or don't.  If you have a great record chances are you had
>a lot of luck go FOR you...if you have a lousy one chances are you had a lot go
>AGAINST you.  It's part of the game and cannot be controlled (though by getting
>great players you can sorta set yourself up as a magnet for the good stuff)
>The Redskins almost lost the Houston game...they got lucky.  that is a fact.
>No one (I think) will argue that it was lucky.  Somehow 49er fans argue that
>the cath was not lucky..I fail to see how they can type it in and not feel like
>they are spouting stupid stuff but that is just my views.

>> He Missed FGS against the Bears(in REG. and OT)
>>   Missed 3 FGS in a 1pt loss to the Colts
>>   Against NE they missed several FGS incl. 2 inside the 20
>>    and didn't even atempt 3 or 4 opting to go for it on 4th down
>>   instead, in a very close game.
>> They should have won both games against the Bills.

>Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda

I AM NOT WHINING ABOUT LAST SEASON, but using as a point to prove
that it won't take much for the Jets to reach the next level.
A young team makes stupid mistakes that cause the team to lose close
games, but the Jets are more matured and will make less stupid mistakes
and thus win the close games instead of blowing them.
 
>> 
>> And they BEAT the mighty Dolphins TWICE last year.
>> 
>Again I say that I was commenting that IF ONE of these TWO teams were garanteed
>to be the one to stop the Bills title streak NEXT year, I felt the Phins had a
>better shot because of their EXPLOSIVE ***POTENTIAL***, not that the Jets
>were a lame team and the Phins are the next dyansty..you keep making it sound
>lie I was arguing the Dolphins were superrior last season, obviously untrue
>by the head-head meetings and the records.

>> The Jets won't make as many mistakes as last year, and are young
>>   and  improving.  They will have a better record than last year.

>Again I do think they are a good team but not a title contender.
>brian Mulholland 

Well Miami isn't a good team and is getting worse and older.
The JETS are a young improving team and there is no reason to think 
that all of a sudden they will stop improving and become a lowly
2nd division team.

Next Season will prove the Jets rebuilding a success and prove
them to be one of the best teams in the league.  And in 2 years
it is very possible that they will be the class of the AFC.  
I Don't think the Jets will roll to a Super Bowl win, but
they will continue to climb the ladder and get closer to the
Super Bowl.

The Bills used to suck they got better and became a great team.
This cycle repeats itself all the time and now the Jets happen
to be on an upswing, while the dolphins are on a downswing.
There is no way in hell the dolphins get double digit wins.
While it is more than likely for the Jets. 
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