From: ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis)
Subject: Re: CFSV: Call for "Straw" Votes - Rec.games.frp.campaign
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:36:18 GMT

Complaints about this "CFSV":  (all quoted material is cbnorman's)

1. Don't make up your own acronyms.  You'll only serve to confuse the
world.  If you mean Straw Poll, say Straw Poll, but don't go playing
around with new obscure acronyms.  See rec.music.makers.synth flamewar.

2. Make it possible for non-supporters to respond to your straw poll.
Yeah, yeah, I know you said we can vote either "yes" or "no" to this,
but read this carefully:

>    If less than 100 people respond to this "straw" vote, the discussion
>of the creaton of rec.games.frp.campaign will be dropped.  Otherwise, 
>discussion will be continued, and a formal CFV will eventually be made. 

So, if 99 of the people who don't like your proposal and two who
support you respond, then you'll go ahead with the vote?  I'm glad I
read the fine print, as suggested. . .why don't you write new messages
instead of slightly altering your old ones?  

3. Revise your proposal.  All you did was repost it, changing only one
line to make it unmoderated.  It's more inconsistent than it was before.

>             <note also, .campaign is now proposed as unmoderated>

Cute.  Did you write us a new proposal, hmmm?

>                      Revised Proposal (November 13, 1992)
>
>                            rec.games.frp.campaign
>
>Proposed Newsgroup: rec.games.frp.campaign
>
>Type: UNMODERATED

Please note, gentle reader, that this is the ONLY change to his
proposal.  This one line.  The rest of the proposal contradicts this
provision in almost every paragraph.


>PLEASE NOTE:
>    The purpose of rec.games.frp.campaign is NOT to provide a conference for 
>the posting of play-by-e-mail GM or player moves!

Oh?  And how are you going to control this?


>    There are NO restrictions on posting due to "quality" of posts.

Of course not; it's unmoderated.


>Charter:     
>    The purpose of rec.games.frp.campaign is to provide an area for the 
>posting of ongoing fantasy role-playing game campaigns, which are written up 
>in story format.  In other words, no game terminology may be used, and the 
>campaign 'moves' or 'chapters' will be in story form.  It is hoped that these 
>stories will entertain the readers of the newsgroup, and help provide them 
>with ideas for their own campaigns. 
>    In addition, discussions of campaigns and campaigning will be permitted.  
>Campaign discussion is the discussion of the "story" aspect of RPG campaigns 
>both on and off the net.  Discussion of campaigning is a general exchange of 
>ideas on how GMs can improve the "story" aspect of their own RPG campaigns. 

"no game terminology may be used," "will be in story form," "...will
be permitted" -- interesting.  Sounds like a moderated newsgroup. 


>                        Acceptable Posting Items/Topics

Good luck.  "Acceptable."  Bah.

>    1. FAQ.
>
>    The FAQ will contain (of course) answers to frequently asked questions.
>Initially, it will contain the following information:
>    - The rules and purpose of .rec.games.frp.campaign

Rules?  Enforced by what means?  It looks like a good place to post my
play-by-email campaigns, and without a moderator, that's what it will be.


>    GMs will have to apply to the moderator before beginning a net-campaign.  
>This is simply to allow the moderator to keep track of what games are ongoing 
>in the newsgroup. 

What moderator?  I thought this was an unmoderated newsgroup?


>    3. GM Statistical Post 
>
>    These will be restricted to once/month or one/move (moderator's decision).

Oh?  Interesting changes you've made to the proposal.  Clears up all
MY questions, for damn sure.


>    4. Discussion of Campaigns
>
>    Controlled discussion of existing campaigns (live or net), ideas for new 
>campaigns, and campaigning in general.  All references to campaign are to the 
>"story" aspect of the campaign, not to individual RPG rules. 

Ah, controlled.  I see.  Cool.


>This proposal will continue to be updated. 

God, I hope so.  It sucks.


-sz
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