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From: THAHARA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Down the drain
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 00:35:10 EDT

Has anyone else noticed that this newsgroup has become really pathetic
these days?  With a few rare exceptions, there is no serious discussion, no
"culture" is ever discussed, and even the "jokes" are juvenile.  (Did ANYONE
even smile at those 'PJs' posted last week?  They left me speechless with
disbelief that anyone with a double-digit age or IQ would post them). Even the
occasional 'controversey' generates the most shallow posts in response.
 
SCI is potentially such a great forum for Indians to exchange ideas and
information, and yet, none of that really seems to be happening any more.
The
Harsh Thaker
From: mk0e@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MAHEENDRA BABURAO KASMALKAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: GUJJU JOKES
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:49:46 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>In all the years I've been on this planet (this is Earth to those retarded who
>think of the humorless jokes) I've heard of people make fun of 'polaks and
>'sardarjis', but never heard of Gujju jokes.

>P.S. : The fact that I am gujarati has nothing to do with this article. I am
>       damn proud to be gujarati. I don't mind if the joke is funny and has to
>       do with GUJJU. Hey who would want to stop you from making fun of yoursel
f
>       by making senseless jokes about intellegent people.
>

>COBRA

You never heard of Gujju jokes ? Where have you been for all these years ?
Good you mentioned " Earth " as your planet of residency . I really had my
doubts about it !

You have to "ketchup" with a lot of jokes , bhai !

Kassu ( I was so tempted to sign my name as "VIPER" :-) )


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From: venugop@athena.cs.uga.edu (Gopakumar Venugopalan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Oscar - Rohini Hattangadi
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:19:33 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


    ROHINI HATTANGADY was only nominated for the oscar that year
    BHANU ATHAYA was the person who received the oscar for the 
    best costume designer that year.
     while on the oscar's I am surprised and flattered that the network 
     Actually wants to nominate me for the sci oscar when there is a lot more
     drivel on marriages,misinformation and sex or sikh...oops sick minds
						gopa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: John Lacey <johnl@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 12:03:01 EST
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Gangadhar Burra said:
> Did you mean to say that being a tamil
> is of a greater significance than being a citizen of your country? 

Why mix language and nationality? We would be best off neither
assuming that nations all spoke one language, nor that a language
is spoken entirely within one nation. The proposal was merely
for a newsgroup that discussed a different set of issues---issues
that, chances are, would be of relatively lesser interest to those
not directly concerned with them.

What the heck does nationality signify, anyways, than an arbitrary
demarcation of borders, oftentimes done by people relatively
insensitive to the concerns of those living on either side of
those borders?
From: arora@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: test- please ignore
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:31:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecs.17546.29eec526


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From: murthy@neuron.cis.ohio-state.edu (Murthy Gandikota)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indian Men, Arranged Marriages : A NEGLECTED POINT
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:49:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Apr14.214949.5338
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science

In article <1992Apr12.224328.28713@news.nd.edu> dkulkarn@vivaldi.helios.nd.edu (Dinesh Kulkarni) writes:
>
> >---------------------------------------------------------
>possible to be a maverick but few people would want to jump through a
>thousand hoops or be willing to make unnecessary compromises to get
> what they want. So until our society at large (at
>least the urban part) doesn't make a transition, it is unreasonable to
>expect arranged marriages to go away, even in case of Indians who come
>to US.
>
>About the ranting on the net - most people seem to go on a bashing spree
>just for the heck of it. None of them has a solution that is likely to
>work and very few care about a solution anyway.           


Change comes by leadership and the following. If more people in India
looked upto the Indians in USA, and these in turn believed in love
relationships, then the system of arranged marriages can be
turned upside down. Conversely, to look for solutions, don't look into
matrimonial columns and don't respond to them. Instead, start your own
matrimonial pitch that goes somewhat like:

"Hey gals out there, I don't think of you as goddesses or whores, not
as commodities to be sold and bought, nor as exotic species to be
contacted through diplomatic channels; neither am I an exotic male
dildo nor anti-feminist. But you see, I need to love someone of
opposite sex before I get too old and die as a virgin--if not as a
loophole virgin. So why not send me a nice letter (or an angry one if
you wish) that explains your preferences in a male and then we can
work from then onwards. Remember, no love, no marriage. I don't want
to meet your dad/mom/uncle/purohit/janitor/brother/broom-stick/pet or
correspond with them or seek their approval in this process...."

Gundekota
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uxa@po.CWRU.Edu (Unnati Amin)
Subject: part 2 on another IIW's views on recent posts
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 17:54:44 GMT


hi, sorry had to cut short my earlier post,but I'm back to append
to my already lengthy monologue! 
----As to the specifications in matrimonials: If you were choosing
somebody--"cold", wouldn't you prefer the person to be as
compatible as possible? Why would you want to have a lot of domestic
hassles, when you don't even know the person well enough? It's
almost like choosing a room-mate,except with more "intimacy"! The
better thing to do would be to allow both men and women to have 
more contact with the other person than just the customary
"1 month before the wedding". Again, the pressure does exist from
parents and relatives to try and compromise as much as possible,
since the"match" would have already been chosen very carefully and 
one as good as this would be very difficult to come by again. 
Contrary to the earlier IIW's opinions, all Indian men are not
pigs(not exactly her words, I forget), but what do you do when you
are 25 and still have not found a mate on your own (falling in love)?
But you do have manly, paternal and husbandly urges and"NEEDS"!
A male-friend told me that it would not be that difficult to get 
along with an arranged match since you didn't know that many girls,
anyway!!  
Getting on to another track-- A lot of Indian men(all men,actually)
have big ego hassles like--"she cannot work,she cannot earn more
than me,she cannot be more qualified than me,she cannot be older,etc..
Also,"I have cooked/shopped/cleaned enough in my student years, why 
should I do that after marriage,too?"well, what can I say? Mind you,
this is not true of ALL men,there do exist those rare gems, that 
want all humans to have equal oppurtunities and respect and if 
you would not have the above ego hassles,then you are that GEM!!
(diplomacy will ensure lesser flames!) 
In conclusion,(FINALLY!) it seems that it is not any one sex's
or culture's fault, only the system and society that we let
control our lives and choices to blame, and to wonder in
the future, who makes this society and who is happy letting it 
take our lives?
-- 
                                        UNNATI AMIN
From: ramaseshad@icaen.uiowa.edu (Ganesh Tirupattur Ramaseshadri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re:Novelist Sujatha(Sorry)
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:01:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Originator: ramaseshad@l_eld10

So sorry for dumping all that news on the net.It was an oversight.
Ganesh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.nepal,soc.culture.pakistan,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Hindus' view of religions : Vivekananda
From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 22:12:49 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

---------------------------------------------------------
The following question and its answer by Vivekananda
are from the transcripts of the post-lecture discussion
held at the Graduate Philosophical Society of Harvard
University on Mar. 25th, 1896.

The next year, 1993, marks the 100th year of his speeches
at the Parliament of Religions in Chicago and other
lectures etc. in US.

The following text can  be found in the Collected Works of 
Swami Vivekananda, published by the Advait Ashram, 
Calcutta. (vol. 5, pp 301-302)
---------------------------------------------------------


Questioner : What is the Indian idea of the Christian faith?


Vivekananda:

That it is very good. The vedanta will take 
in every one. We have a peculiar idea in India. 
Suppose I had a child. I should not teach him any 
religion; I should teach him breathings - the practice 
of concentrating the mind, and just one line of 
prayer - not prayer in your sense, but simply something 
like this, "I meditate on Him who is the creator of 
this universe: may he enlighten my mind!" That way he 
would be educated, and then go about hearing different 
philosophers and teachers. He would select one who, he 
thought, would suit him best; and this man would become 
his Guru or teacher, and he would become a shishya or 
disciple. He would say to that man, "This form of 
philosophy which you preach is the best; so teach me." 
Our fundamental idea is that your doctrine can not be 
mine, or mine yours. Each one must have his own way. 
My daughter may have one method, and my son another, and 
I again another. So each one has an "Ishta" or  chosen 
way, and we keep it to ourselves. It is between me and 
my teacher, because we do not want to create a fight. 
It will not help any one to tell it to others, because 
each one will have to find his own way. So only general 
philosophy and general methods can be taught universally.
For instance, giving a ludicrous example, it may help me 
to stand on one leg. It would be ludicrous to you if I 
said everyone must do that, but it may suit me. It is 
quite possible for me to be a dualist and my wife to be 
a monist, and so on. One of my sons may worship Christ, 
or Buddha, or Mohammed, so long as he obeys the caste 
laws. That is his own ishta.

-----------------------------------------------------------

---raj
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Kashmir:some questions?
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 01:59:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.220546.25644@midway.uchicago.edu>, trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.213611.26148@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>
>>My personal preference is an economic fedaration of all the South-asian
>>nations with transparent boundaries.
>
>Sounds like pre-partition situation to me. Do you have your flame-retardent
>suit on? :-)
Sounds like the only way to get out of this post-partition mess also to me.

>
>Also, screw real-life economic considerations. It's so much better when
>each little group seeks its "identity" through separateness and conflict.  :-)
I agree that economically it does not make sense for any of the states to
remain independent. However, the economics is still not all; and it's not going
to be all untill you give the group a chance to voluntiarily join the union.
Tell me how the Kashmir situation is different from the Baltic states or the
Palestine's independence from Israel. Do any of them make anyeconomic sense?
That's why I propose the economic union. Once such an union is allowed the
states will not have an urge to secceed. Only when something is forbidden; the
urge to achieve the forbidden occurs.
Arindam
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rtt1@cec1.wustl.edu (Rajan T Thampi)
Subject: Re: Mary's lamb, Jack Horner
Keywords: Mary Lamb Jack Horner
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 21:26:16 GMT

Here's another 'adult' nursery rhyme.  Read at you own risk.  I personally
found it funny.


Hickory dickory dock,
A girl was sucking my cock,
The clock struck two,
I blew my goo,
And dropped her off the next block.

===============================================================================
Rajan T Thampi --> Internet: rtt1@cec1.wustl.edu | Ngap Sayot! Land of the 
Lycoming College (Physics), Williamsport, PA.    | 	Hornbills.  
Washington University in St. Louis (EE),         | Liverpool F.C   
School of Engineering & Applied Science.         |   - the mighty reds forever!
N A M A S K A R A M  T O  O N E  A N D  A L L !  | Missing Bharat... :-(   
===============================================================================
From: scindia@IASTATE.EDU (Shekhar K Scindia)
Subject: IMPACT OF ECONOMIC REFORMS
Reply-To: scindia@IASTATE.EDU (Shekhar K Scindia)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:47:58 GMT

         I hear a lot of talk these days about India on the road to riches .

 All only because of the economic reforms recently introduced . 

 Imagine 1 Dollar = 1 Ruppee !

 Many among us would start packing their bags if that happens !!

 This thought is conservative ! There is one real optimistic Indian here

 who feels the day is not far when we may have 1 Ruppee = 30 Dollars !!!!!

 Now that's going a bit too far I think !

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: fsjm@barticomp (Joseph Mathew)
Subject: Re: INDIAN MEN and MARRIAGE
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:30:13 GMT



	Does a boy lurk behind the veil (or pallu) of the 
anonymously posting, needlessly shouting, independent 
(oh, really?) 'woman' ?  The contents of the post are innocuous 
enough that I cannot understand the need for her/him to remain 
anonymous.

	She raises the issue of ties to parents, writing:

>>>>>>>>
	I find 99% of Indian men still tied to MAMA's pallu,


	2. They are  terrified of the prospect of having to convince
	   their parents about their choice since most parents find some
 	   objection to anybody their children choose in this manner.
>>>>>>>>


	I don't know a single Indian man who is controlled by his 
mother.   And mothers seem more likely to accept a son's excursions.
(Very long pallu; lies knotted in places, but if you yank hard enough
the knots untie and you can keep going :-)) I do know at least one 
person who was dominated by his father for many years and who may, 
even now, be under his father's control.  Fathers may be reluctant 
to give up this sort of control.  So where are these 
Indian-men-on-a-pallu?  Perhaps, the pallus belong to wives ?

	Is it necessary to convince your parents when their objections
are unfounded, when the objections are merely a reflex?  A reasonable
person will listen to his parents and friends, in case they raise
some questions about the success of the relationship, but unless the
questions are valid (" Are you sure you will actually get to spend
'the rest of your life' with an ex-convict?") is there any point or 
need?  

	Cold feet.  Since "99%" of the marriages are still arranged,
I can see men and women backing out before the marriage itself; getting
into the relationship usually doesn't require much pushing even for a 
'pallu'-wallah, while commitment doesn't seem to come easily, even here.
And, in a society with few examples to go by, the objections,

	"But, she's 	black!
			chinese!
			white!
			North Indian!
			South Indian!
			Tamilian!
			a Nair!
			a Kurup!
			a Catholic!
			a Protestant!
			
		she has a brother who limps!
			a sister who lisps!
			a cousin who stammers!"

(there's no dearth of invention), can seem like reason enough to back off
and return to the safety of diktat.  

	At what point on this scale do/did you(generic!) back off?


-- 

Joseph Mathew

fsjm@bart.lerc.nasa.gov
From: setlur@acsu.buffalo.edu (Srirangaraj Setlur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: ++++++ Email address of Mr Ramani of NCST Bombay
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:15:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <1992Apr13.060801.10330@seas.gwu.edu> sc131109@seas.gwu.edu (Harmel K. Singh) writes:
>Hi 
>
>Can anybody give me Email address of Mr. Ramani of NCST Bombay.
>

        ramani@sangam.ernet.in

>
>Thanx in advance,
>
>Harmel Singh

       --ranga
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: siva@picasso.cssc-syd.tansu.oz.au (Siva Praba Brabakaran)
Subject: Re: More Tiger Trash
Organization: Telecom Australia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 23:45:35 GMT

regis@eriador.Prime.COM (Charles Regis) writes:

>In article <1992Apr9.142118.18090@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu) writes:
>> 
>> Mr. Charles wrirtes:
>> 
>> > Have these people [SL Tamils] forgotten how the riots of 83 started
>> > in the first place?
>> > To refresh your memories :
>> > 
>> > It was the raping of 6 Sinhalese women in the Jaffna area and cutting up
>> > their bodies into pieces and throwing them around in the heart of Colombo.
>> 
>> > 
>> >                                                       --  Charles
>> 
>> Man, you are totally clueless.
>> This is biggest joke I have heard.
>> 
>> For your information:
>> The July 1983 riots were sparked off when 13 members of the Special Task
>> Force were blown by an LTTE landmine in Jaffna.
>> 
>> 
>> Meenan Vishnu

>I bet you read that in the LTTE newsletters. Well, I happened to be in
>Colombo at that time, just visiting. I also knew people from a local
>Tamil daily at that time (whose building was burnt down by the
>Sinhalese!). Who is clueless now??

>I will not be replying to any more of these via email or postings to
>this newsgroup. How about a new newsgroup? misc.terrorist.LTTE :-)

>CHARLES ANDREW REGIS 

I don't think there need to be any discussions about the July 1983 riots
and how it started. Charles was in Colombo, but I was in Jaffna few
hundred yards away from the blast which killed the 13 soldiers. It was an
accepted fact by most of the people with common sense how the 1983 riots
started.

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From: tarafder@versatc.versatec.COM (Anjan Tarafder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: For Bengali fish/seafood lovers
Keywords: Bengali, SEAFOOD, Santa Clara, California
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:31:02 GMT
Organization: Versatec Inc., Santa Clara, CA

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Mr. Amol Chatterji at (408)927-0626 [evenings/weekends]. 
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From: srikanth@cs.tamu.edu (Srikanth Kandhalam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Needed tips for starting a film club....
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:13:26 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bhatiaa@rosalind.cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Amit Bhatiani)
Subject: Re: Citizenship Exam Questions [Cheat Sheet]
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:25:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.151515.3444@linus.mitre.org> rajiv@hilltop.mitre.org  
(Rajiv Kohli) writes:
> 	Here are some of the most frequently asked questions during
> 	a Citizenship exam
> 
> 38:	Who is the Secretary of State?
> 	...........	Dick Cheney

Dick Cheney is the Secretary of Defense.
James Baker is the Secretary of State.

Cheers,
Amit

bhatiaa@cs.rose-hulman.edu
From: mirchand@schubert.cs.unc.edu (Jaideep Mirchandani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: F-1 to H-1 directly ?
Keywords: H-1, F-1
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:31:21 GMT


Greetings,

I have the following query : 

Can I be hired directly on an H-1 given that I am on an F-1 currently ?
My prospective employer thinks so, but I am a bit confused by this. I
thought that I needed an F-1 work permit (EAD) to even work. Is he
correct ? 

Thank you for reading this,
Jaideep
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: wanted bridegroom
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:39:10 GMT
Organization: Junior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Its a funny one....I have to admit .

But, aren't these phone matrimonial adds going too far?
Or is that some folks find it as a convenient and an easy outlet to vent
their feelings against old customs some of which do have value. 
Or is it the result of personal frustration at one's love life?

Someone out there is getting a kick out these fake matri. adds.   I have
a good idea......what about few good jokes on one of the biggest social
evils on
this world: caste system. After all, marriages go hand in hand with
'system.' For starters, I've got some 'Brahmin jokes,' courtesy of 
arrogant & snobish attitude of some graduate students here who just
happen to be Brahmins. One even had the nerve to say that the 'system'
isn't bad anymore. It doesn't affect people in a big way.   Couldn't have
lied better.......How many brides died last year in India because of it?
Doesn't anyone find it disgusting? Aren't matri. adds a product of this
'system.'?    I think the 'system' has to be atleast watered down a bit
to
have a human face on it.

-Ranjith
From: patb@lazy.helios.nd.edu (Pathikrit Bandyopadhyay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: City Of Joy ........... review
Keywords: movie   review
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:58:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr14.165825.8148
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Apr13.233252.6663@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999rkzd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (V999RKZD.SIGNATURE) writes:
>
>
>One viewer's review.
>
>City of Joy
>^^^^ ^^ ^^^
>Patrick Swayze, Om Puri, Shabana Azmi.
>Based on the book by Dominique Lapiere.
>[....]
>	This movie is sure to do a lot of good for slums, at least by 
>forcing people to acknowledge ( and maybe even help) unluckier lives
> than theirs.
>[....]

i doubt that. before the shooting started, even without reading the script
the west bengal government tried everything to stop this movie. i do not
how much people will acknowledge, or do anything about it. but i sincerely