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From: jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu (Bromley, Jay W.)
Subject: RE: TONS O' TATS QUESTION
Summary: pain questions 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Keywords: thresholds and stuff 
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:55:00 GMT

In article <498.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us>, ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) writes...
>>First stroke is the worst, and after that, your natural endorphins 
>>kick in.  I always feel absolutely giddy after getting tattooed.
> 
Alright!  I'll be able to get that runner's high that I can now only get
after the most grueling of runs, another reason to get a tat!

>>I've always wondered if "sensitive skin" really just means "low pain
>>threshhold," in some senses.  "Sensitive" to what?  Soap?  Sunlight?
>>Poison ivy?  Or do you really mean "It hurts when I damage it"?
>>Well, it hurts when all of us get tattooed.  Some of us just cope
>>with the pain better, or differently, from others.  Your mileage
>>may vary.
> 
>I find that I have a low pain threshold but a high pain tolerance. With
>me, it's easy for stuff to HURT, but also easy for me to calmly note
>"Oh, how interesting. That hurts like Hell" and just go with it, and not
>let it bother me too much. So it goes...
>
I think I've got a fairly high pain threshold, but it seems that anything
a bit too far above this hurts a whole lot.  Kind of like my pain 
sensitivity is a step function or something.  In that area between my
threshold and the Ouch! stage is where the interesting stuff is.
It would be interesting to develop some standard of pain and be able to
compare the link (if any) between threshold and sensitivity.  Anyone
know if this has ever been written up.  (Being from Caltech, I think I
could understand most of those big medical words).
Regards.
########################## Making time in a low rent highrise, no place
jay bromley, space cadet | to go downtown, crushing crucifixion, particles
jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu | harmful descent, take a shot and hide
From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Re: PIERCING JEWELRY (WAS: RE
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:03:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.163542.4543@tfs.com> harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol) writes:
>In article <618.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
>> I've seen a lot of male nipple pierces in the magazines that look like
>>(forgive me) half-rings of white plastic with ball ends.  Pretty ugly
>>stuff IMHO. Is this really plastic, or ivory or something similar?
>
>As I said before, and I'll say just once again, the only materials
>I've seen used for piercing jewelry are gold, niobium, and stainless
>steel.
>

well, besides the apparent use of titanium in rare jewelry
there is also something called
Mono-filament
someone else mentioned plexi-glass or some other sort of plastic
and i dont think that that  is what mono-filament is, but 
ive been wrong before

My friend pierced the skin on top of his arm and used mono-filament
to run through it
Whoever at the gauntlet described it as being a very inert
substance and one of the best for piercings..
most piercings that go through skin that are far apart use mon-filament

it is basically a piece of plastic that goes through the pierce
and the ends are connected by a metal ball 
it is actually cool stuff cause it is fairly cheap and you can 
hang a lot of stuff off of it
although i would be scared of somethign getting caught on it


--
"The future is not what it used to be." - Nick Philips
 ,
dana watanabe 		email to: DWATANAB@UCI.EDU
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From: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Subject: PA Gauge
Reply-To: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 15:27:38 GMT


When I originally got my PA, I got 2 tit pierces and the PA the same
evening, all 14 ga. Eventually I abandoned the tits because the rings
seemed to get in the way of the heavy tit play I enjoy. But the PA
stayed and went from 14 to 12 to 10 to 8 in slow steps. Recently I
tried to take the PA up another size. The hole stretched ok, but the
only jewelry I had around was really heavy and, after a week, it had
become uncomfortable rubbing inside my urethra. So what to do?

Well, I backed all the way down to a 14. Then I added a 12. Then a
couple of days later I added another 12, and last Thursday I added a
3rd 12.

And you thought peeing was hard to aim with one ring in your dick?

Oh yeah, can anybody tell me what gauge 3 12's and a 14 add up to?

-- 
Steve Schochet                                 A Vote for Bush in '92 is a vote
I'net: af244@cleveland.freenet.edu             for Quayle in '96. Use your vote
B'net: af244%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm      wisely!
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Rasied Tattoos (Was Re: AFTERCARE)
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:57:06 GMT

In article <si4j8INN1cc@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames) writes:
>In article <jjaed6o@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>>
>>I have welted on all of my tattoos.  After they heal, they are even with the
>>rest of my skin.  However, some strange set of conditions cause my tattoos
>>to stand up.  It is random, however, I know that certain areas tend to stand
>>out more than others.
>
>	As far as I know, it's a histamine reaction; mine do the same
>	things, particularly badly when I'm having a heavy alergy 
>	attack. And antihistamines tend to make the tattoos go smooth
>	again. Near as I can tell, the areas that are more raised are
>	the places that are more havily inked. Though I could be wrong
>	about that....

when i wrote that mine was raised, i was having a bad time with my allergies;
today the only raised areas are the heavier black areas; 
i'll be in allergy hell for the next few months, maybe i'll notice a pattern

>
>			-K
>

tim
happy camper with a jealous friend
From: barb@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: problem.....
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:05:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Apr7.150331.9090@julian.uwo.ca> zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca writes:

>my tattoo artist rang me last night wondering where i'd been. he wants to 

	Your tattoo artist calls YOU? Is he a friend, or is he really
	hard up for work?

>should i trust this guy? the quality of work varies directly with his personal
>relationships, but do i really want to risk it?

	My opinion on inconsistant tattoo artists is: Don't. This is
	something that's with you for life. It's not like going to a 
	hairstylist that sometimes gives great cuts and sometimes
	doesn't... you're stuck with this, and if you get him on a 
	bad day or in a bad mood, well, it really doesn't seem worth
	the risk to me.

>how do i tell a guy that he's just too uneven? 

	Well, as I asked before, is he a friend? If so, you could just
	say you've decided to collect work by some other artists. If
	he takes offense at that, well, it's his problem. You shouldn't
	get work from someone just because you don't know how to tell
	them no. If he's not a friend, or if you think it would actually
	do him some good to hear it, just be honest. Tell him he's too
	inconsistant, and while you're really happy with some of the
	work he's done, you don't feel comfortable going to a tattooist
	you can't *depend* on.

>How would you... tell pinky that he is just not up to snufff anymore?

	Not really an issue, Pinky doesn't solicit business. The best
	way to tell someone you don't like their work is to go
	elsewhere. I have never heard of a professional tattoo artist
	who called people up, asking them to come in. IMO, anyone who
	does this is basically putting themselves in the position of
	being told no, and the reasons why. 

	-Barb
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From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: temporal pierce
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:45:49 GMT

In article <10APR199203484780@juliet.caltech.edu> jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu  
(Bromley, Jay W.) writes:
>ObBodyarts:  So I've decided on getting a broken barbwire strand motif
>tattooed around my upper arms, and I was wondering if anyone might
>suggest a good art sourcebook. 

try your public library. for some STRANGE reason barbed-wire is a highly
collectable medium with conventions, trading fairs and the like. There
should be a book or two on the subject.

--
Lance R. Bailey  System/Network Manager         Robarts Research Institute
     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
            fax: 519.663.3789                   P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr.
            vox: 519.663.3787 ext. 4108         London, Canada N6A 5K8
         Gaelic: Tha me leatsa ma cheannaicheas tu mi. Thoir dhomh earbsa.
From: jane@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Home tattoo? Scarification?
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:24:59 GMT

Home tattoos...  Not the best idea.  Hard to control depth, penetration, 
infection, those great little details.  Oh yes, and toxic reactions to the 
ink.  Tat ink is a special formula.  Do NOT use India ink.  The stuff is 
poisonous.

However, back in Victorian times, the sailors used to use steel pen-nibs.  
You can find these in an art supply store under the term "crow quill pens."

I'd be very dubious about the ink.  Toxicity is a big issue, if it's not ink 
that's *intended* for insertion into your body.

   --Jilara  [jane@swdc.stratus.com]
  "Of course truth is stranger than fiction; fiction has to make sense."
    --Tom Clancy
From: refling@sloth.eng.uci.edu (John P. Refling)
Subject: right / left conventions and history
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:44:10 GMT


At first, the responses to the right/left significance question were
inconclusive, then suddenly, they became left--->straight (or wanna be),
right--->non-straight (or wanna confuse everyone).

Consequently, around here, 98% of the men with a pierced ear have it in
the LEFT ear.  I am very certain of this, since the first thing I look
at on other men is which side their earing is on.

I also have see lots of new and old pictures / engravings of American
Indians.  Also, of pirates.  I have noticed that they are depicted with
earing on the RIGHT ear.  So!  What's the deal here?

1. Have customs changed?
2. Was there a photograpic / lithographics process that reversed the image?
3. Perhaps they had both ears pierced but the view was from the right,
   making only the right ear visible?
4. Can anyone track down the original of the Shakespere engraving that has
   him with an earring?
5. Can anyone locate any other authentic historical pictures showing earrings
   in men?
--
-----------
John Refling, refling@sloth.eng.uci.edu
From: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Net.Rhino)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: BORING EAR PIERCING Q
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:54:26 GMT
Reply-To: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys

In article <399.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) writes:
>
>Yeah, that's tellin' the bitch! What a wimp she is, anyway. Hell, I
>routinely use a STAPLE GUN for piercings. It's much faster than anything
>else, and the resulting infection leaves real cool scar patterns.

	Ben, you're and idiot. Go away and leave us alone.


			-Karl


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From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: PROBLEM.....
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center And Storm Door Company
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:10:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.200830.3540@thelema.uucp> STella@thelema.uucp (STella) writes:
>
>Well, I understand that, and I do apologize with appropriate sincerity
>for not having realized that Ben was an adult, and we folks are
>college kids.

Stella, are you implying that we aren't college kids?  Hell, just because you
teach doesn't mean that you aren't a kid.
--scott
   (who was a student even longer than Henry Strickland)
From: STella@thelema.uucp (STella)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: PROBLEM.....
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:08:30 GMT
Organization: Idiosyncratic Anarchic Order

In article <460.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) writes:
>>barb@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae) writes...
>>Well, I've pretty much come to the conclusion that to have Ben not
>>like us is a good thing. I mean, would you want this guy for a
>>*friend*? %^)

Not relevant -- I'm too young for him.  Maybe someday....

>Dear barb,
>  My message to whatever-his-name-was used something called "sarcasm".
>It was NOT intended to be taken SERIOUSLY. I forget that you folks are
>all college kids who are still locked in the "take everything at
>absolute face value" stage of life. I apologize. I'm used to dealing
>with adults.

Well, I understand that, and I do apologize with appropriate sincerity
for not having realized that Ben was an adult, and we folks are
college kids.

STella@xanadu.com	1016 E. El Camino Real, #302, Sunnyvale, CA 94087
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From: bgribble@jarthur.claremont.edu (Bill Gribble)
Subject: Re: Anasthetics and piercing
Keywords: AUA
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:21:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.105331.29967@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de> PATZNER@rhea.cs.bonn.edu writes:
>(I just CAN'T be the only non-masochist liking piercings...)

I don't think it's a question of masochism.  I definitely don't want to get
into "my reason for getting perforated is better than yours," but for some 
people (myself included) the pain is an integral part of the piercing.  
There's a challenge in KNOWING that you're going to feel the pain, facing 
your fear, and asserting your will to do the thing.  It doesn't feel any
better to me than it would to anyone else -- it's just how you look at it.

The act of being pierced with anesthesia seems to me somehow empty, like 
artificial insemination instead of fucking.  But hey, whatever floats 
your boat.  I guess there are just some people for whom the experience of 
being pierced is more important than having the ring and some for whom the 
experience is an inconvenience.  Personally, I feel sorry for the latter 
group -- they're missing out.

>Achim

Bill
From: 00rswaller@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Questions o'tattoos-Indiana
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:42:45 GMT

I am looking into getting a tattoo....  Not sure on what to get.....
Does anyone know of any good artists in Indianapolis....Louisville....St. Louis
those are within driving distance of my home.....
I also would like to know about how much this will cost me....
I lift weights and was wondering how much distortion would occur if I did
get one on a muscular area.
I can stand the pain and all....but I don't want it to hurt my wallet that
bad...... 
So send me ideas....it is my first and want to get it done in the next
couple months!!!!
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From: cwayne@triton.unm.edu (Chris Wayne)
Subject: Looking for designs for my next tat!
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 17:06:31 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


     I'm getting ichy for my next tat!  I know basically what I want, but
can't find any existing (good) designs to work from.  I'm looking to get
my birth sign(s) - Capricorn and/or Boar (31 Dec, 1959) in some sort of
composite.  The best that I've been able to find is some flash by Jack Rudy
and a drawing from a calendar by Boris Vallejo.  Rudy's lacks something, I'm
not sure, and Boris' is too small to work from.  Does anybody have any ideas
or know of books, posters, whatever that I could get ahold of?

thanks,
chris
From: jane@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Temporary tat-hiding
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:58:32 GMT

One of the quandries I have is being a tattoo fan, and also doing "living 
history" demos, where I portray a period-type person, pioneer, early 
settler, etc.  I want a couple forearm tats, but know how noticable they 
would be, since I mostly do cooking demos, and roll up my sleeves.  I 
thought of makeup, but then realized that the best alternative is to put 
a fake scar or birthmark over the tat.  That's because it has to look right 
from six inches away.

With just  theater, opaque flesh-colored hose seems the way to go.  (Take a
look at chorus girls, sometime.  In a lot of cases, that's NOT flesh you're 
seeing; it's opaque flesh-colored fabric.  I know this on good authority; my
mother was a chorus girl. ;-) )  If any shadows show through, wear two pair, 
one inside the other.

   -Jilara  [jane@swdc.stratus.com]
  "Of course truth is stranger than fiction; fiction has to make sense."
   --Tom Clancy
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Subject: RE: FOOT TATTOOS
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:02:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> top of my foot.  HOWEVER, they said something about not being allowed
-> to tattoo into the area around the sole of the feet, over at Eddie's
-> Skin Works. Something about healing problems and liability.

 It might be because the skin is so thick.  I've had one or two bad
cases of jungle foot, where the skin started delaminating or whatever
the medical term is.  I was peeling layers 1mm thick off parts of the
bottoms, and there was still adequately thick (though somewhat
sensitive) skin underneath.

 Maybe conventional equipment won't go deep enough, and/or the external
layers are so thick that the tattoo wouldn't show through well if you
could get the ink down there?

 If anyone has a tattoo on the sole, maybe they could describe how it
came out.
      
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From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: Newspaper comic strip about tattooing
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:19:01 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>And the "guys" he refers to read this newsgroup... along with the women he
>forgot to mention.

I perceive "guys" to be at least reasonably gender-neutral.

-- 


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Subject: RE: MORE NIPPLE QUESTIONS
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:22:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes
>>If you ever climb down off your childish "College Net" and get on
>RIME
>>or FIDOnet or anywhere where a TRUE cross-section of America hangs
>out,
>
>Numeric hostnames.  MS-DOS.  Oh boy.

Usenet: ancient mainframe conventions. Unix. People accessing via
terminals at school or the department PC at work. Cornball.
                         
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From: chachra@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (CHACHRA  Debbie)
Subject: Re: Henna Tattooing
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:08:33 GMT

In article <oduqyre00VQhAEkV4_@andrew.cmu.edu> Fleur Diana Dragan <fd0o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>
>Henna Tattooing(completely and unashamedly taken from Artemis' insert):
>This is a very old cosmetic art, unique to Morocco.  All brides have it
>done to their hands (and feet) for their wedding.  The patterns vary,
>the more intricate forms being executed by well known "henna artists, "
>the simpler forms being done by someone in the market place, or a

BZZZZZT!  Wrong.  Henna painting (tattooing seems somehow hyperbolic - it
doesn't last longer than Magic Marker) is *not* unique to Morocco - (East)
Indian women have it done in exactly the same way under the exactly the same
circumstances. (it's called 'mehendi' in Hindi)  It's also done by women 
(generally relations of the bride) attending the wedding.  I find it kind of
annoying to have done (mostly because you aren't supposed to use your hands
and/or feet until it's dried, which is incapacitating to say the least.

In Toronto's Little India, you can now buy mehendi patterns which are intric-
ate plastic screens, meant to be placed over the hand, and then 'filled in.'
They can then be lifted off, leaving a (hopefully) neat pattern, that is con-
siderably more complicated than most people can manage. (kind of like icing
sugar and doilies on a cake :) 

Sorry, Fleur.  Gotta defend the culture.  

Debbie Chachra
<chachra@bullet.ecf.utoronto.ca>
From: db4s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Daniel Ryan Bidwa)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Piercing jewelry
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:51:27 GMT
Organization: Software Engineering Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>> What about titanium?  When the orthopods rebuilt my left leg, they were
>>going to use titanium rods

>I've never seen or heard of piercing jewelry made of titanium.  I
>suspect the reason is that, while it passes the inertness test, it is
>probably more expensive and no better-looking (and possibly worse
>looking) then gold, niobium, or surgical stainless.  Titanium's low
>density and tensile strength are advantages for prosthetics or jet
>aircraft but, if anything, disadvantages for piercing jewelry (or at
>least its low density would often be a disadvantage... :-).

Yup, yup, and yup. Titanium looks almost exactly like (uncolored) niobium. (It
reacts about the same way as niobium to anodizing, with about the same color
range available.) It is lighter, but unless you're dealing with extremely
heavy gauges, it's not an issue. In addition, it's *very* difficult to work
with -- it stiffens up much faster than niobium (which makes working with
those heavy gauges a real challenge).

There is something to the novelty value of wearing titanium, though. :-)

Dan, who has some keen 8ga titanium rings, and the blisters to show for it
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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: ANASTHETICS AND PIERC
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:53:24 GMT

In article <593.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing)  writes:

>  From now on, anyone who wants to communicate rationally with me will
>get rational communication in return. Anyone who keeps on playing the
>"flame game" will get a "flame game" response.

Learn to communicate rationally yourself...


Frankly, I don't think you are even worth the effort.


>  Let's see how long it takes folks to get the message?

Let's see how long it takes for you to get the message.





FWA
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