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From: ras@controls.ccd.harris.com (Russell Soule)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: DC TALK stuff
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:44:10 GMT
Organization: Harris Controls
Originator: ras@sp1


I recently posted an article claiming that the guys of DC TALK were
quarreling amongst themselves. Well, I am happy to report that that
was never the case. What is happening within the group is that Kevin
and Michael want to start putting more of their own material on their
albums as opposed to mostly Toby's stuff (which is what the first two
albums were). So what may happen is after this new album comes out (it
is being pressed this week!!!) and the subsequent tour (hopefully with
Michael W Smith) is completed, they will take time off and each do a
solo album of some sort.

As for the new album, I hear that there is a lot more singing on it. Even
Toby sings some. According to CCM, they were considering putting their
cover of "Lean on Me" on it. If you saw them with MWS a year or so ago,
you may remember this song. I thought it was excellent. I hope they do
record it.

See ya, and God bless.


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From: schouten@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: 77's new album
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:20:20 GMT
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D

In article <uscream.722237256@mcl> uscream@mcl.ucsb.edu (Screamin' Diane d.) writes:
>                      What do ya'll think about the group wanting to call
> the album Pray Naked and not being allowed to by BAI or Word??  The waters
> of controversy...
I haven't heard it or seen it, but I thought `Pray Naked' would have
been a great title.

Dale Schouten
schouten@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: cs911455@ariel.yorku.ca (MICHAEL KOEHLER)
Subject: Re: Deliverance
Originator: cs911455@t05.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:57:06 GMT


Yo Bro,
  Sure tons of people listen to these guys!  They've got great stuff.
Positively my most favourite band!  You don't get any better Christian
speed metal.  As to their next release, "Stay of Execution" just was 
released a couple of months ago, so ease up.  Their other three albums
include "Deliverance", "Weapons of Our Warfare" and "What a Joke".  They
have definitely improved with age.  Hopefully these guys will stay together
for a while and maybe come to Candada sometime!

Keep shreddin' for Jesus,

Mike
From: nauman@Pt.hq.af.mil (Stratton D Nauman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:16:56 GMT
Organization: Headquarters Air Force, The Pentagon Washington, DC

The subject line says it all.

Ive given quite a bit of thought to this matter, especially since
I was one of those kids who totally rebelled against their parents
in the area of Music, and this is what Im going to do with *my*
kids :)

1.  Allow them to listen to any style of Christian Music that they wish,
be it Rap, metal, whatever.

2.  Actually go out with them to the local Christian Bookstore and
purchase for them the kind of music they want to listen to.

3.  Purchase for them their own stereo that they can put in their
room to listen to their Christian music, any style.

4.  Forbid them to listen to Secular music.


Im hoping that by supporting them in numbers 1, 2, and 3, that theyll
not rebel when it comes to number 4. :)

Still, no guarantees however.  I suppose if my boy wants to rebel, there
really isnt anything I can do about it.  I just hope for the best :)

Regards,

Dave.
From: comm117@unixg.ubc.ca (Chin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Mentioning "God" on the radio
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:08:30 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

Just a couple of things on my mind from a newcomer to this group...

(1) How many of you wish that some of the crossover artists (Amy Grant,
    Michael W. Smith) would release a single from their CDs that
    would explicitly mention God or Jesus?  Some may say that since
    they are now on secular radio, they shouldn't release a song that
    mentions God or Jesus, but should that be the case?  I was really
    hoping that Amy would release the song "Ask Me" from her "Heart in
    Motion" CD since it addressed the issue of God and Suffering,
    something that a lot of non Christians ask.  After all, MC Hammer
    (OK, he now wants to be called just plain "Hammer") released "Pray",
    which got a lot of airplay, at least where I live (Vancouver) a year
    ago.  Also, Van Morrison released the song "Whenever God Shines His
    Light" which was quite blatant in mentioning God and Jesus.  What
    do you netters think about this?

(2) To all those people who think that Amy has "sold out" because she
    has "crossed over".  Do you hold a "Christian" job?  Do you work
    for a Christian organization?  I think that it seems a little
    hypocritical for Christians who criticize "crossover" when they
    themselves don't hold an explicitly Christian job.  The
    listening audience needs Christian artists who espouse Christian
    values through their speakers instead of someone who insists that he
    is "Too Sexy for my Cat... Too Sexy for my Cat".  Why do I feel like
    this issue has been addressed ad-nauseum before?

(3) I was told that Hammer used to play for a Christian rap group.  What
    do you guys know about this?

(4) Is Van Morrison a Christian?  I know his songs are very spiritual,
    but is he a Christian?  Just curious about this.

Answer may be posted via the net or through email at
GAVIN@phdlab.commerce.ubc.ca

Thank you in advance.  We now return you to real life.
From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christmas Music Recommendations: Results
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:04:01 GMT

In <1992Nov17.082916.7790@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy) writes:

>Smith, Michael W.		(No title given)

The title of his album, appropriately, is _A Michael W. Smith Christmas_.

A fun album, for MWS fans, a distraction for non-fans.  But a nice athem,
and decent duet with Amy Grant.   As a MWS-fan, I can't believe I forgot
to mention this one.  Of course, someone borrowed my tape without returing
it, too.

Eilidh Swan
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From: st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Fwd: Could u help me post this in news
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:55:01 GMT
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To: st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 22:39:17 WST
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Yo Steven,

   I'm having problems with my news server.  Could you help me post the
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Subject: Whitecross's new album
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   Has anyone heard the new Whitecross album?  What's the title and how
does it sound, when compared with the previous one.. (In The Kingdom)?

   Thanx in advance.


Rodney Ho

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   Thanx a lot dude.


Rodney Ho

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Subject: Re: Galactic Cowboys, Extreme and King's X
Supersedes: <92328.182806EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:39:43 EST
From: Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <1er3dqINNd3g@coral.bucknell.edu>, motto@bucknell.edu (john motto
`94) says:
>
>Okay...about Extreme.
>
>Try listening to the song called "Rise And Shine" on their new album.  More
>than once they mention that "There`s a time for everything", and the section
>of the album it is from is subtitled "Everything Under The Sun."  As far as
>I know, this is spoken of in Ecclesiastes, so there may be *some* proof of
>their 'searching' for the truth.
>
>Did you ever consider "More Than Words" as God speaking to us telling us that
>we SHOULD LIVE OUR LIVES WITH MORE THAN WORDS....with actions showing our
>committment to Him??????

      This may be true, but it may be stretching the facts a little.
  How do you explain the song "Get the Funk Out?" It is a direct play on
a profain saying.
  I have a hard time believing they are even trying to even minorly portray
a Christian sense of mind. Their whole aura is baffling in this area. If they
 came out and said things about Christianity and such, I may believe it.
But as it is all we have to stand on is some scanty hypothesis.
  What an interesting title for a Christian conscious band, "Pornograffiti"
(sp??)
  I don't think it is a major  reason to not listen to them. I personally

can't stand them , but when someone says they think Extreme is a Christian
related band, I have to disagree. But don't get me wrong, I don't think it is
wrong for listening to a non Christian band.

                                     -Ed

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From: fig@ravel.udel.edu (James M Figard)
Subject: In the presents(spelling) of a holy God
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:01:36 GMT

I'm looking for the music to the song "In the Presents of a Holy God.  
We use it in the IVCF gathering backed up with guitars, but I'm looking for 
the sheet music for it.

If any one could help that would be very nice .

Thanks in advance.

James Figard
.
From: danielg@med.unc.edu (Daniel G. Sinclair)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Yet another request for Cornerstone address
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:35:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Originator: danielg@saluda

I can't wait for the monthly FAQ!  Somebody please email me the address
for Cornerstone Magazine so I can subscribe...

Gracias.

danielg
From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: alternatives to *fill in*
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:49:26 GMT

Along the lines of the previous threads about alternatives
to enya, etc....(btw, I *love* enya's work, have all three
albums, and don't mind it a bit!)....one artist I used to
have *every* album of (ok, tape, cd, whatever....back then
I actually had *albums!*) was Kate Bush.  I had to set her
music aside for a while though since the words and memories
I had associated with the times when I used to listen to
Kate Bush, were disturbing to me.  Now I've a roommate who
has 4 of the albums, we play them alot, and I love it.  But
again, sometimes the words are still disturbing...

Has anyone found any Christian artists with a similar style
to Kate Bush?  (as if *anyone* could ever come close to being
like her!  :)   I'm already a fan of alot of CCM artists --
along the lines of Out of the Grey, Phil Keaggy, Iona, Margaret
Becker, any of the Talbots, Kim Hill, Randy Stonehill, Michael
Kelly Blanchard, old MWS, old Amy, old Petra, and my only
secular music tastes are:  Enya, Indigo Girls (mostly the
self-titled album,) and Kate Bush, plus some Rush, & Pink Floyd.

What else is out there I should check out?  If you haven't heard
the haunting musical genius of Kate Bush....I'd recommend you give
a listen!

In Him who Sings over us with Joy! --

Eilidh Swan
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:39:39 EST
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tef@sei.cmu.edu (Tracey Fox) writes:
> tsh2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Jennifer Jo) writes:
> |> Have you ever read the lyrics to metallica songs?  Why don't you 
> |> sometime?  They print the lyrics on their jacket sleeves, as 
> |> they have nothing to hide.  In fact, some of us philistines even 
> |> think they're pretty thoughtful lyrics...
> 
> Have you ever read the lyrics to 'Slow Train Coming' by Bob Dylan?  
> They're pretty THOUGHTFUL lyrics, too, but I don't believe he's 
> anymore sincere towards the Lord than Metallica!  

does the listener count for anything? Yankee Doodle was originally
meant to deride the patriots. we adopted it for our own. the listener
changed the meaning. that shouldn't be too difficult for Christians 
to do when the songs aren't even actively anti-Christian.

> I think that particular album (STC) came from the pit of hell, 
> especially the song, "Man Gave Names to all the Animals".  The 
> lyrics in the last verse are VERY SUBTLE.  The words appear 
> theological correct from a Judeo/Christian context, but the spirit 
> behind them is NOT.  

and was this revealed to you in a vision from God? we aren't 
telepathic, we can't see the soul. all we have to judge by are words
and actions. pray tell, how did you determine the spirit from Dylan's
words if they were "correct from a Judeo/Christian context". either
they are or they aren't. which is it?

> Maybe he's acknowledged by the world and the music industry as a great 
> secular artist, poet, and musician but spiritually speaking, IMHO, 
> he's just as philistine as Metallica.

philistine was used in reference to our appreciation of the arts. metalheads
tho they may be, i'm sure Metallica is capable of appreciating fine
things when they see them. the question is, can we tell if Metallica is
a "fine thing" themselves?

i would say yes, at least for their later stuff. (their earlier works are
a bit too testosterone laden for my tastes.)

> Jesus taught us to take heed to what we hear, and that includes the 
> music we listen to!!!

well said!

jason

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From: superc@topper.ksu.ksu.edu (Shawn E Chase)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Anyone Heard New Whitecross
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:00:34 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: topper.ksu.ksu.edu


 So, has anyone heard songs from the new Whitecross album. On the Christian metal program on the university radio station last night, I heard the guy announcing titles of songs he just played and one of them was 'from the new whitecross'. If anyone has it, let me know how it stands up to their previous stuff, please.

-- 
Shawn E. Chase            "For the eyes of the Lord range throughout 
SuperC@Matt.KSU.Edu        the earth to strengthen those whose hearts 
Dept of Industrial Engg.   are fully committed to Him" 2chron16:9 
        "No sir, I didnt like it"- Mr. Horse                  
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: stroup@aspen.ops.lmsc.lockheed.com ()
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Reply-To: stroup@aspen.ops.lmsc.lockheed.com ()
Organization: Lockheed Missiles And Space Co.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 19:49:27 GMT


In article <1992Nov16.151808.14343@cbnews.cb.att.com>, 
ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

>You seem to feel that Christianity and Philosophy are polar opposites.
>My own view is that Christianity is more than a philosophy, but it's 
>*also* the only philosophy that hangs together consistently.  That 


According to Thiessen (Lectures in Systematic Theology)

"Theology and philosophy have practically the same objective...they both seek 
for a comprehensive world and life view...Philosphy is to the unbeliever what 
the Christian faith is to the believer, and the unbeliever adheres to it with 
the same tenacity with which the believer adheres to his faith.  To know a 
man's philosophy us, therefore, to get possession of the key to understanding
him and also dealing with him."

I think this pretty much sums up what Andy is trying to say about the value
of understanding where someone is coming from in order to witness more
effectively.  The problem arises when we spend so much time investigating 
other philosophies that we neglect to nourish our spirits with the things of 
God.

				judie
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: swansond@nextnet.csus.edu (Dennis Swanson)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:39:51 GMT

In article <0qx172p@rpi.edu> mooras@rpi.edu writes:
>[...]
>The point is the Bible was mocked so Republican Christians could be mocked.
>This is blatently wrong, and so far noone has justified (and never will) the
>Word slicing that was done to the Bible. 
>[...]

Exactly.

	Den

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From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Ban Certain Bands from this Pub...
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:59:03 GMT

In article <13NOV199210191892@rosie.uh.edu>, math1rb@rosie.uh.edu (92F07486) writes:
|> [ stuff deleted ]
|> Below is a list with some chrages brought against them....note that these
|> bands "confess" to not playing "christian music".

David... I just wanted to let you know that I did notice your SIG and
I realized right away you were KIDDING!!!!  He was kidding everyone!

Pay attention, people! ;-) 

|> I guess I've been wrong the whole time, and probably because as many believe,
|> I'm not "Christian" I'm Catholic. So lets go all the way and make this board
|> purely "Christian" music.
|> 
|> ************************************************************************
|> **                            **                                      **
|> **   David C. Meyers          **                                      **
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|> **   MATH1RB@JETSON.UH.EDU    **                                      **
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|> ************************************************************************

P.S. I also like King's X find them edifying.

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From: 00013073@ysub.ysu.edu
Subject: Christian Records--Heritage Baptist Univ.
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:57:58 GMT

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From: umwieb80@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Alexander David Wiebe)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:09:13 GMT

In article <19290@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> cs40f003@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>>
>> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>> [bible verse][bible verse][bible verse][bible verse]
>> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>> [bible verse][bible verse][bible verse][bible verse]
>> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>>
>
>God's will for you in this situation is...
> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
> [bible verse][bible verse][bible verse][bible verse]
> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
> [bible verse][bible verse][bible verse][bible verse]
> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>
>Sheesh, some Christians don't know when to quit, do they.
>
>Later,
>Randy

While I can sympathize with your view point (this is a news group about *music* and not
the underlying philosophy of Christianity) I feel compelled to say that I for one
appreciate the friendly exchange of idead's ( ;^)  ) I have read here in the last week or
so.  As well I might add that they have actually helped to broaden my perspective of
Chritians, Christianit music, and more importantly Christianity itself.  Please, don't
oppress those who have something to get off their chest, merely read, and think about
what is being said, and, if you feel so inclined, add your own Constructive! comments. 


Once again thank-you to those of you who have helped to open my eyes a little but more.


Keep looking up.

ps: this isn't meant to step on anyones toes, I just get a little edgy when people are
ribbed for expressing their own ideas.