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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:29:17 EST
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Where is Mara Jade?
Distribution: world

In article <4JAN199312365995@rosie.uh.edu>, st1pk@rosie.uh.edu (DISCO BISCUIT)
says:
>
>        Where is Mara Jade in the Dark Horse comics? Did she die
>in the 3rd Zahn book? Or did I just miss her in the comics?
>

   Maybe Mara Jade dies in the 3rd Zahn book, maybe not.
  Your guess is as good as mine.  However, she's not even
  mentioned in the Dark Empire series.  Then again, maybe
  she's somewhere in the background.  I mean, she was
  at Jabba's and nobody saw her. :)   In fact, with the
  art in Dark Empire being what it was, you probably
  wouldn't recognize her if you saw her....she'd probably
  look like a Jawa or something. :) :)

  By the way, what did you guys think of the depictions of
  Mara in the Dark Force Rising Sourcebook for the RPG?
  I like the braids.  Basically, the artwork in this
  sourcebook was a lot better IMNSHO than the artwork
  for the HTTE Sourcebook.  Lots of great scenes from
  the book were depicted, and drawn well.

  This brings me to another point.  I noticed upon
  skimming the HTTE Sourcebook that the author
  assumed that C'baoth, instead of being the one
  who defeated the Emperor's Guardian in a Force
  battle, had actually BEEN the Emperor's Guardian
  himself.  It was also assumed that C'baoth's
  insanity caused him to believe that the battle
  had occurred, when in reality there had been no
  such battle.  Now, the DFR Sourcebook perpetuates
  this assumption, stating that "all evidence" in the
  Zahn books implies that this is indeed the case.
  Maybe I'm slow, but I did NOT get this impression
  from the books.  Sure, the possibility is easily
  conceivable, but I don't  think the books strongly
  support this assumption at all.  Did the WEG people
  goof here, or did I miss an important element of the
  Zahn story, or did WEG accidentally give away a
  surprise plot element from The Last Command?

  Any thoughts?

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From: warden@midnite.pinetree.org (Tim Warden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke and Leia confusion
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 12:30:10 EST
Organization: Midnite Mania Information Services

> 
> How about this?  If Leia is Vader's daughter and Luke's sister, she must've
> always had a certain amount of the force, even though she didn't know it.
> How come Vader didn't sense it in the first movie when he was two inches in
> front of her?  
> 
> 

This makes total sense to me.  Also considering, when Luke left Dagobough 
Yoda was conversing with Ben... 
 
Ben: He is our last hope...
Yoda: No, there is another...
 
The same line which is finished in ROTJ.
 
Tim

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From: mochang@phakt.usc.edu (Morrison J. Chang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Questions about Kenner Die Cast Miniatures...(2nd try)
Keywords: Kenner Die-Cast Metal Miniatures Toy Question
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:15:21 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu


Hi, maybe someone can answer these questions about Kenner's Die-Cast
Metal Miniatures, I've already looked at the gold/black Darth Vader book
on collectables in the bookstore but I couldn't tell so...

Other than the Hoth and Bespin playsets were there any others sold?
(Death Star - maybe?)

In the Hoth/Bespin playset, was there an R2-D2 or a C-3PO figure?

Email replies please since I don't read this group often. Thanks.

-Morrison
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Model kit re-releases
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:24:19
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk's message of 7 Jan 93 09:49:52 GMT

>>>>> On 7 Jan 93 09:49:52 GMT, Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon N Smith) said:

Scott Streeter writes:
|> In July the following model kits will be re-release from AMT/ERTL
|> 
|> Darth Vader figure
|> Shuttle Tyderium
|> Snap Together AT-ST
|> Rebel Base Action Scene (diorama)

Smith> Since the re-issuing started I've bought the falcon, a speeder
Smith> bike, a snowspeeder, an at-at and a star destroyer.  X-wings
Smith> have been sold out for about 6 months - the model store says
Smith> this is due to a shortage of imports!  I think this says the
Smith> models are certainly popular here in the UK - what about
Smith> elsewhere in the world?

Most model and hobby shops around my area have Falcons, X-wings,
etc... in abundance.  Personally I can't wait for the Rebel Base. That
and the Hoth Battle kit are the only kit's I don't have.

Smith> Hey Scott, where do you get this great information from?

I get a magazine called Blueprinter, put out by AMT/ERTL. They had
about 4 pages of new releases for '93 and these where among them. Also
there will be a kit of the Runabout from ST:DS9.

--
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 17:26:04 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: C3PO's "lie"

Don't forget about Lucas' comments in From Star Wars to Jedi.  He said his
original intention for C3PO was to make him a "slicko, used car salesman type"
in which case it would be in character for C3PO to lie about his storytelling
ability or whether he had been part of any battles.  Interpreted this way, C3PO
was just being careful not to give away oodles of information to this new owner
who he knew nothing about.

Also, as said in Skywalking, Lucas fully intended to voice-over a different
actor for C3PO's lines, and Anthony Daniels only spoke to get the timing down
(like Jabba's speaker also in SW to Jedi).  Therefore, Lucas gave little or no
direction to Daniels on how the character should speak (i.e. sarcastically,
snooty, slicko, or insecurely) and Daniels did his own interpretation.  It was
only later on that Lucas decided that Daniels' interpretation had grown on him
so much that he couldn't go back and change it as he had first planned.

This now creates an inconsistency in that some of C3PO's dialogue in ANH was
designed to develop that character one way, yet the character actually ended
up being developed a very different way.  It is no major problem though since
the "slicko" lieing easily becomes a mark of low self-esteem and insecurity.
The storytelling in the Ewok village is done to show that C3PO had outgrown
this poor self-image and become a fully rounded character in the SW universe.
His line after being levitated by Luke accents this perfectly:  "I never knew
I had it in me."

                                             ---Eric
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 4 Jan 1993 10:33:14 EST
From: <PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: RE: Luke and Leia

Lucas must have had some idea for Leia to be Lukes sister. The reason
I bring this up is the line in TESB after Luke leaves for Bespin
Ben say "That boy is our only hope." Then Yoda "No, there is another."

Anybody have other thoughts. Just my 2 cents.

Peter
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu (Douglas Brod)
Subject: Mara Jade Sighting?
Reply-To: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:35:43 GMT

While I was watching RotJ last night,  I noticed a female with long, brown, curly
hair and a red jumpsuit in Jabba's palace.  Could this possibly be Mara Jade? :^)

Doug Brod
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From: ukyou@west.darkside.com (Michelle Fox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.announce,ba.announce
Subject: JERRY POURNELLE
Date: 8 Jan 1993 12:10:36 -0500
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM
Distribution: world
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                Concord, CA 94520

        He will be promoting his new novel "THE GRIPPING HAND", 
sequel to "MOTE IN GODS EYE", co-authored by Larry Niven.

        For more information contact Michelle at (510) 827-2920
or contact by e-mail Ukyou@west.darkside.com.

Thanks
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.announce
Subject: Writing Wanted
Date: 11 Jan 1993 15:20:45 -0500
Organization: UUNET Communications
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ftp.uu.net

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From: cn577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.announce
Subject: Where to find CYBERSPACE VANGUARD
Date: 5 Jan 1993 13:37:34 -0500
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Distribution: world
Reply-To: cn577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine)
NNTP-Posting-Host: ftp.uu.net
Keywords: fanzine

Issue One of Cyberspace Vanguard has been posted in the following
groups:

rec.arts.sf.misc
alt.vampyres
alt.fandom.misc
rec.arts.misc
alt.horror
alt.cyberpunk

and

freenet.rec.sf.games.archives  (don't ask.)

If your site doesn't subscribe to any of these groups let us know
and we'll e-mail you a copy.

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From: cn577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.announce
Subject: CYBERSPACE VANGUARD (Typos not included)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:01:28 -0500
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Distribution: world
Reply-To: cn577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine)
NNTP-Posting-Host: ftp.uu.net

The new improved version of CYBERSPACE VANGUARD: News and Views
of the Science Fiction Universe can be found on the following
groups:

alt.zines
rec.mag
rec.misc
alt.fandom.misc

(After many reader comments we discovered that the wrong version
had been posted.  We apologize for the hassle ...)

Oh, and thanks so much to the person who suggested putting a separater
between articles!

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From: mtpins@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael T Pins)
Subject: Re: Film/video room
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:42:19 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19

clements@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>In article <1993Jan03.021241.12466@clarinet.com>, brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
-> In article <1i53j0INN33g@werple.apana.org.au> kat@werple.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen) writes:
->>For example, Australia is about 3 years behind in the showing of Star Trek
->>the Next Generation - so the latest episodes of the series are a good
->>thing for a video room over here
-> 
-> And almost certainly ilicit showings, since they take away from the
-> audience for the legit showings with Australian advertisers.  It's nice
-> to get it earlier, but you have to realize that for these popular items,
-> selling advertising, or getting people together in a room and doing a
-> screening is how the producers make their money.  If you show Star Trek
-> or other stuff you're doing something that legit people have to pay a
-> good sum of money to do, even if the video room were free to all comers.
-> 
-> Leave video rooms for the non-mainstream stuff that the producers are
-> glad to get exposed.

>There is another side to this story...

>The UK satellite TV station. BSkyB has recently bought the rights to show STTNG
>in the UK. The majority of the populace do not have satellite dishes, and are
>unlikely ever to (IMHO), so conventions, and other not-so-legit-methods
>are going to be the only way we get to see it. The producers have already made
>their money by selling the rights to BSkyB (as I understand it), and we're not
>watching BSkyB's advertising anyway, so nobody is actually losing.

While I'm not going to tell you that showing thing like ST:TNG at a con is
legit (it's not), Brad is going a bit far.  The number of people who attend
conventions is minute compared to the number that watch TV.  Even if everyone
who watched a show at a con would have watched it on TV, and doesn't after
seeing it at a con, the difference in ratings would be nil.  As most people who
watch things at a con will want to see a program again if it's any good (and
will likely tell their friends about it too), if there's any change in viewship
at all, it's likely to go up.  However, if you do ask a studio for permission
(and if you are running a con of any size you probably should), and they say
no, DON'T SHOW IT.  If a copyright holder is made aware of an infringement (and
them telling you no certainly qualifies) and they don't move to stop you, they
can loose title to the work.  Bad idea.

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From: mwallis@lunacity.com (Michael Wallis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: worldcon in SF info, please?
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:35:23 GMT
Organization: LunaCity BBS - (Clan Zen Relay Network) Mountain View, CA

jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:

> 
> Anybody got a fact sheet or something with info regarding worldcon in
> SF in 1993?

                        ConFrancisco

        Sep 2nd - 6th, 1993

        Moscone Convention Center, San Francisco, CA
        Ana Hotel, San Frnacisco, CA
        Nikko Hotel, San Francisco, CA
        Hilton Hotel, San Francisco, CA
        Parc Fifty-Five Hotel, San Francisco, CA

        GoHs:   Larry Niven, wombat (jan howard finder), Tom Digby,
                Guy Gavriel Kay, Alicia Austin, Mark Twain

        Memberships:

An attending membership is require if you expect to be "on site" during
the convention. A Supporting membership entitles you to all the ballots,
PRs, and priviledges of an Attending membership, but without actually
being there in person.

[enter][cls]    Dates       Attending       Support         Convert         Non-Human
Oct 1 - Dec 31    $ 95            $25             $ 70            $25
Jan 1 - Mar 31    $110            $25             $ 85            $25
Apr 1 - Jul 16    $125            $25             $100            $25

Youth Admissions:
               (based on age as of 1 Sep 93)

                       Age     |      Always
               ----------------+-----------------
                     0-3 years |       n/c
                    4-12 years |       $30
                    13 & older | see Adult Chart

Children uner 13 with Children's Membership must remain in the
custody of an Adult Attending Member at all times, do not receive
publications and do not have voting rights. A full Adult Attending
Membership may be purchased for a child under 13 if desired.

[enter][cls]ConFrancisco is now taking memberships by credit card as well. They
need the following info:

     Credit Card type (Visa/MC)
     Card Number
     Expiration Date
     Name
     Name and address of membership(s) being purchased

Credit card memberships, as with others, should be sent to:

        ConFrancisco
        712 Bancroft Rd, Suite 1993
        Walnut Creek, CA
        USA 94598
        (510) 945-1993
        confrancisco@tgv.com

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From: ngustas@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: necronomicon?
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:44:33 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu

Is anyone who reads this list working with Necronomicon?  Does anyone have
any idea what the dates of the con are?
If so, please get in touch with me!
As always,
Gabrielle de Lioncourt
ngustas@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu (Dave Weingart)
Subject: Re: What Really Happened After Boskone 24 (was Re: Arisia Vs. Boskone)
Nntp-Posting-User: @cornell.edu
Organization: CUMC
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:42:16 GMT

In article <726273792.AA02802@tdkt.kksys.com>, David.Dyer-bennet@f341.n697.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (David Dyer-bennet) writes:
|>  CPZ> Pardon me, but what's the purpose for flogging this dead/buried/decayed
|>  CPZ> horse?
|> 
|> Historical interest? Trying to sort truth from falsehood in rumors
|> heard? While it's a little late to worry too much about allocating
|> "blame" (if any) (and I've got a standard rule about allocating
|> blame: there'll be enough to go around), trying to understand what
|> actually happened (particularly if you weren't there yourself, and
|> only watched from a distance or heard about it later) seems to me a
|> praiseworthy activity.

Besides, fen are always interested in keeping a good feud going (ever hear the
phrase "Plunge all fandom into war?"), especially when it's something essentially
meaningless.

On a more serious side, you _do_ want to prevent these things from happening
again.  (Heck, even the NESFen have admitted a mistake! B{) ).  Why go out of
your way to repeat what's being viewed (and rightly so) as insulting and
obnoxious when you can find new ways to do it? 

-- 
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From: mwallis@lunacity.com (Michael Wallis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: WorldCon/ConFrancisco
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:31:29 GMT
Organization: LunaCity BBS - (Clan Zen Relay Network) Mountain View, CA

andrem@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Andre Molyneux) writes:

> My wife has asked me to try to get some information regarding the upcoming
> WorldCon in San Francisco.


                        ConFrancisco

        Sep 2nd - 6th, 1993

        Moscone Convention Center, San Francisco, CA
        Ana Hotel, San Frnacisco, CA
        Nikko Hotel, San Francisco, CA
        Hilton Hotel, San Francisco, CA
        Parc Fifty-Five Hotel, San Francisco, CA

        GoHs:   Larry Niven, wombat (jan howard finder), Tom Digby,
                Guy Gavriel Kay, Alicia Austin, Mark Twain

        Memberships:

An attending membership is require if you expect to be "on site" during
the convention. A Supporting membership entitles you to all the ballots,
PRs, and priviledges of an Attending membership, but without actually
being there in person.

    Dates       Attending       Support         Convert         Non-Human
Oct 1 - Dec 31    $ 95            $25             $ 70            $25
Jan 1 - Mar 31    $110            $25             $ 85            $25
Apr 1 - Jul 16    $125            $25             $100            $25

Youth Admissions:
               (based on age as of 1 Sep 93)

                       Age     |      Always
               ----------------+-----------------
                     0-3 years |       n/c
                    4-12 years |       $30
                    13 & older | see Adult Chart

Children uner 13 with Children's Membership must remain in the
custody of an Adult Attending Member at all times, do not receive
publications and do not have voting rights. A full Adult Attending
Membership may be purchased for a child under 13 if desired.

ConFrancisco is now taking memberships by credit card as well. They
need the following info:

     Credit Card type (Visa/MC)
     Card Number
     Expiration Date
     Name
     Name and address of membership(s) being purchased

Credit card memberships, as with others, should be sent to:

        ConFrancisco
        712 Bancroft Rd, Suite 1993
        Walnut Creek, CA
        USA 94598
        (510) 945-1993
        confrancisco@tgv.com


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