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From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Brags Re: Happy Solstice
Date: 21 Dec 1992 17:27:07 -0800
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
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Congratulations on your work, and your wife's accomplishments with Solstice!

I was very curious about the differences I observed between the trainers/
riders in Boise when I was up on a visit, and the trainers/riders I observe
here.  I stopped at Once Upon a Horse, and watched some lessons and a Pony
Club show.  The horses were universally relaxed, few on the bit (this was
low level stuff) and many were crooked, but there was very little resistance
to the aids.

Here, the horses go on the bit much earlier, and are straight even at low
levels, but there is much more resistance problems.

I found it very interesting as an out-of-towner to observe the different
focuses that obtained in different parts of the country.  You can observe
some of the trade offs that you only hear about....

Adrienne Regard
From: pazzani@pan.ics.uci.edu (Michael Pazzani)
Subject: Carrots
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Reply-To: pazzani@ics.uci.edu (Michael Pazzani)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:40:15 GMT

Horse like carrots, and large 50 pound bags of carrots are very
inexpensive, but they rotted faster than we feed them.  So we asked
the carrot lady (she delivers) what to do, and she suggested storing
them in a garbage can filled with water.

I thought I'd pass this tip on, since they now last 10 days or more
(except for the week Teco stuck his head out of the stall, opened
the can, and bobbed for carrots, finishing 40 pounds in a day).

Happy Holidays
Mike
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Stallions
Date: 21 Dec 1992 18:46:28 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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In article <1992Dec21.153032.1687@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ktracy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karin L Tracy) writes:
>As a BREEDER who has two stallions, plus an 'ex' (gelded at 12), my
>question is this, why, unless you are a breeder, do people have
>stallions?  [...]

Well, some people keep a stallion to breed, but not as a buisiness.
Some people keep colts entire until they are old enough to have proven
themselves as performance horses (or not).  And, some people have an
attidude problem about gelding their horses, just as some folks
won't have their dogs and cats "fixed".

The one owner who falls into the latter category at our barn has
been told repeatedly by everyone that both the horse and his handlers
would be happier if he had him gelded, but he adamantly refuses.
And, he is a competant horseman, the stallion is very well-behaved,
and I don't think I'm really in a position to state categorically
that this is wrong.

I, personally wouldn't want to own a stallion under ANY of the above
circumstances, I just don't think it would be worth the additional
care and effort and worry.  But I am not willing to say that NO ONE
should keep a stallion except a breeder.  That's *IF* they are 
willing to make sure the horse is handled properly and posess the
requisite knowledge and experience to handle a stallion.

Debbie
deblev@ipac.caltech.edu
Xref: sparky rec.equestrian:6412 misc.rural:2667
From: mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,misc.rural
Subject: Re: Farm software?
Date: 27 Dec 92 21:34:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

>In article <1992Dec21.151940.19198@samba.oit.unc.edu> rdrob@med.unc.edu (Ricky Roberson) writes:
>>Is there such a thing *anywhere* such as a software package that might
>>help keep track of individual farm animals?  I find myself in need of
>>something to keep track of worming schedules, vaccinations, dosages, farrier
>>schedules, etc.  
>>If anyone has any thoughts/ideas about this, I would appreciate if you'd 
>>drop me a line.

Have you considered a generic PIM, To Do, or Calandar type program?  Seems
that all you would need to do is set up a few recurring events, andyou would
be all set.

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From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Another Arabian genetics question
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:56:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: pattyh@sequent.com's message of 21 Dec 92 05:51:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.055156.10263@sequent.com> pattyh@sequent.com (Patricia A. Hansen) writes:

   I have a friend who has an Arabian mare that she suspects might be
   a CID carrier.  She hasn't bred the mare because of this suspicion, and
   I applaud her caution.  ...

Amen!

   ...  My recollection is vague, but this is what I think
   is true.  CID is a recessive trait, so that if my friend's mare is
   a carrier, she'd have to be bred to another carrier to produce a 
   CID foal, and even then would have a 25% chance of getting a CID
   foal.  In that case, there's a 50% chance of getting a carrier and 
   a 25% of getting a healthy non-carrier.  Is this right?

Exactly.

   Does anyone know if CID is more prevalent in some bloodlines than others?
   My friend's worries about her mare are based solely on the death of
   one foal sired by her mare's sire.  The cause of that death was
   never determined, to her knowledge.  Is there a test to see if a horse
   carries CID?

   Patty

To the best of my knowledge, there is currently no test for
CID-carriers, other than the trial-and-error of breeding repeatedly to
a known CID carrier, and waiting for a foal to die---not recommended!

For the latest info on this topic, your friend might want to subscribe
to "FLAK about CID" (Furthering Lethal Arabian Knowledge about
Combined Immuno-Deficiency); contact group co-ordinator Gwen
Orlowske, R.R.1, Box 135, Worthing, SD 57077.  This is a group
dedicated to publicizing the problem, furthering research, recording
known CID carriers so that Arab breeders can make informed choices in
their breeding programs, acting as a support group for those who have
lost a CID foal, etc.  They publish a newsletter 6 times per year.

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy)
Subject: Re: Carnivorous horse?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:13:16 GMT

In article <BzFs9K.EpC@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> Ruth Vale <rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca> writes:
>
>One of our mares has taken a likely to eating dog food - usually
>because its the first thing she sees, on the way to her stall, that
>looks like her supper.  She's a *very* easy keeper, about 150 lbs.
>overweight (I've been riding her while mine is on the DA list) and
>isn't getting much more food than the pony.  She comes in hungry
>(don't blame her, but the weight has to come off somehow).  She's
>the kind of horse that doesn't know when to stop eating, including
>bad hay or anything else that shows up in front of her face.
>
>Just wondering whether an occasional munch on dried dog food is
>going to get her into trouble.  She is not prone to colic and is
>more likely to founder than get an upset stomach.  Anybody else
>out there experience problems when horses eat things intended for
>dogs, when I forget to hide their bowl where she can't get it.
>A friend's appaloosa has a liking for hot dogs and she's had
>no problem to date, but dog food?
>
>Ruth
>-- 

I don't know specifically about dog food, but I can offer the following
experience.  When I was studying rhesus monkeys down in Puerto Rico,
I bought a little Paso horse.  I grazed him all day, and at first I
bought him a horse feed, but I found by experiment that he did super
on Purina monkey chow which I could "borrow" from the supply shed.
His weight was good, his coat was very shiny, and he had no problems
at all on this feed.  I'm sure each Purina animal product is formulated
differently, so I don't know how the ingredients in monkey chow and
dog chow match up.  I would bet that both would be high in grain content. 

Janet Levy
jsl@ihlpm.ATT.COM
From: caross@acsu.buffalo.edu (Christian A. Ross)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Seeking Information on Norwegianfjord Horses
Keywords: Norwegianfjord, Norwegian, Horses
Date: 26 Dec 92 02:56:09 GMT
Organization: UB

A friend without net access has recently acquired a Norwegian fjord horse,
and is seeking information about it (which seems to be hard to come by). He
is particularily interested about the horses history (esp. how it came to be
imported into the United States), breeding, but general information would 
also be appreciated.

Anyone out there know any good references or anything about this breed?
Thanx in advance.

-- 
Christian A. Ross       
caross@acsu.buffalo.edu 
--
These are not the disclaimers you are looking for. Go about your business.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Wilson blankets
From: Bliss B Siman <ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 3 Jan 1993 22:15:34 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I ordered a turn-out sheet in my colors for a 14.2 Connemara gelding who had
been wearing size 68 sheets, Curvon Baker, and blankets, same brand.  I
ordered the Wilsun (I believe that's the correct spelling) sheet with a regular
neck. Well, when I got it the neck didn't fit at all, the front wouldn't close
and the whole thing was a disaster. They were very nice when I called and we
discussed what might have happened. I sent the sheet back with pictures of the
problem. I then spoke to Gary and he told me the Triple Crown story. By then I
had received a gorgeous Triple Crown blanket--custom colors and piping to the
tune of almost $200--for one of my other horses. So I tried it on the pony and
found that the 70 seemed to fit him. I also measured his neck as was suggested
and found, not surprisingly, that he had quite a neck for a little guy. So I
sent new information--they gave me a small discount on the new sheet--and we
tried again.  The new sheet isn't great either. Its just a little too tight in
the front. This for a pony that now has an inexpensive ROMA blanket that fits
him beautifully. So he can't really be that much of a problem if three other
products fit great.  But frankly, I now have two of the Triple Crown--and they
are pretty in our colors of royal blue with red trim and gold piping--blankets
for my other two horses, but I am not that impressed with them as far as fit.
They seem to twist as much as any other blanket, I think they could be longer
on the sides. As far as wear, I don't know because we've only had them a
short time. So, that's my Wilsun experience. I think they are nice people, very
helpful, but how do you know what kind of size to order and how do you return
custom work! They don't give enough information in the catalog to tell you what
is a quarter horse cut for example. Maybe that's what I needed.

Bliss, Rocky (the hard-to-fit),Chance (who looks gorgeous in anything) and
    Savvy (the only mare who has been warned that she'll have no more new
    clothes unless she takes better care of her Triple Crown)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: Cathleen.Patel@launchpad.unc.edu (Cathleen Patel)
Subject: Re: Stallions
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 00:02:11 GMT

	Well, if I were you, and I liked the horse, and I decided to buy him,
I'd just go ahead and have him gelded.  For Christmas this year, my aunt 
gave me a yearling-and-a-half gelding.  He's a complete gentleman.  Anyway, her 
Arab stallion, Calypso, now five(I  believe), he's just gotten too hard
to handle, so Kim is planning to geld him sometime after the New Year. 
the only thing stallions are good for is stud and trouble.  Don't be too 
worried, though, about a stallion colt, you can stop his bad habits before
they start by having him gelded within a year after  you  get him.  
Generally you want colts gelded before they're two.

        --Cat

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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews)
Subject: Thank yous
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:34:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho

I had asked some questions earlier, then lost my feed to the outside world.
I would like to thank everyone who answered me about Morgan registries and
sources of information:  thank you thank you thank you!

So, wouldn't the addition of a little draft horse blood be a positive step
in making the horses stockier?  I suppose that such a horse wouldn't be
registerable until it was no more than 1/8 draft.  Just mumbling.

Merry Christmas to all the beast lovers out there!

- Diane
  Sam (heh heh, Morgan/Percheron cross)
  Quad and Mister (white collies)

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: china@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: sel alt.sex.movies
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:22:49 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <1992Dec22.173601.90856@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>, china@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
> I made a typo in my last post. I meant to say the body rope is good for 
> correcting horses that DO bend away from the line of travel. Sorry.
> 
> - Ross
> 
I apologize for the subject title. My research assistant thought it would be
funny to cross-post my posting to a.s.m, but since she doesn't know too
much about the network, she messed-up the subject title instead of
cross-posting (I think she has taken the Xmas `spirit' at todays party too
seriously). Needless to say, Jan will be joining the 11% unemployed in the
New Year. Happy New Year Jan!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all the Netters (even those on a.s.m).
From: amarch@garnet.berkeley.edu (Anne Marchant)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Lipizzan vs Lipizzaner
Date: 1 Jan 1993 21:17:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Lipizzan

John had a question about why the USLR (and others) refer to the
American Lipizzan as Lipizzan instead of Lipizzaner.

In my opinion it may be more appropriate to use Lipizzan (pl. Lipizzans)
when referring to American Lipizzans.  One might want to use Lipizzaner
(German adjectival) when referring to the Austrian or German Lipizzaner
since those are German speaking countries.

The name derives from the little town of Lipizza which is on the border
between Italy and what was formerly Yugoslavia. Archduke Charles
(Hapsburg) founded "The Royal and Imperial Court Stud of Lipizza on
the Karst" in 1580.  In other words the name "Lipizza" is not
originally Germanic, so a German ending is not necessary unless you
are using the word in a Germanic context.

I think it is pefectly appropriate to Anglicise the word since the
American Lipizzan benefits from being descended from Lipizzans from
many European Nations and has been bred here now for a number of
generations.

Having said this, as John pointed out, many use both terms.  The only
real mistake is spelling it Lippizan, instead of Lipizzan as is
sometimes done.

A rose by any other name...?

Thanks for asking the question John.  It's one that is frequently
asked, so I was happy to have an opportunity to write about it.

Best to all, 
Anne Marchant

-- 
Anne Marchant, Lone Tree Lipizzans, 6221 Lone Tree Way Brentwood,
(northern) CA 94513, (510) 516-0821
amarch@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Re: condensed AMHA/Carlyle Morgans events
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:47:58 GMT
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Neal has said several times that the legal cost of all this is
burdensome to AMHA--Neal, could you elaborate?  What suits are
floating around?  Do you have any idea of how much it has been
costing?  Are we talking 10K, or 50K, or more?

Linda B. Merims
From: china@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Sources for horse books
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:10:27 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Thanks to John for listing the various book suppliers. It would be a 
great help to those of us in countries outside the US and in different
time zones, if you could include fax numbers if available. For me, I am
particularly interested to obtain fax no.'s for Robin Bledsoe and Barbara
Cole. Many thanks.

- Ross

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: devine@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Catherine Devine)
Subject: Kudos to Kyle Karnosh
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:03:54 GMT

Congratulations to usenet's own Kyle Karnosh for a really good letter to the 
editor in the December 18 issue of the Chronicle of the Horse.  He pointed out
that they reported on a breeding show without mentioning the breeding of the
horses.  Duh!  Enquiring minds want to know about breeding.  Thanks, Kyle!

Catherine
Hannah, Travis, and Jasper (the geriatric cats)
Isaac (the TB/Trakehner)
Castlecomer (the Connemara/Dutch Warmblood yearling she-devil)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: fburton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Burton)
Subject: Drugs in competition (was Re: Drugs in racing?)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 21:56:29 GMT

I would really like to hear people's opinions on this subject, and
particularly how advocates of drug use in competitive horse sports
argue their standpoint. 

Basically, my point of view is this: 

If a horse has banged a knee, or is suffering from some condition
(such as laminitis) which causes lameness, then giving it a pain-
killer such as bute may well be appropriate.  In the case of limb
injury, rest is probably the most important component of treatment. 

However, if a horse is lame or has an injury (maybe partly healed)
which would tend to become painful with hard exercise, it is TOTALLY
wrong (IMHO) to try to mask the lameness with drugs just so the horse
can be raced or competed.  Chances are the injury will get worse
(well it won't get any better, will it?), perhaps with catastrophic
consequences for the horse. 

Regarding the use of Lasix in racing, I would say that if a horse is
likely to get a nose-bleed or sore joints if it runs that hard, then
it shouldn't be racing at all.  Breed for fitness, not just speed. 

That's my two cents worth... What do you think?

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From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: carnivorous horse
Date: 2 Jan 93 06:59:08 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

> In Article 10749 in rec.equestrian:
> From: micha@moko.saar.de (Michael Bongartz)
> 
> In Iceland most of the horses in Germany called Islaender or Island Horse
> eat in strong winters dry fish in salt and I have seen horses from Poland 
> the kind - I don't now if this is the right expression - 'Wielkolski' often
> eat mead or sausage. My own horse Lucky likes to eat my bread with 
> butter and sausage. Most horses don't eat meat pure like a steak or
> something else, but with bread they eat it. I believe if it isn't to
> much that there are no problems. But with horses having problems
> with their stomach (German: Kolik) be careful.
> Sorry, the for most expression I don't now right english words.
> 
> bye, Claudia and Lucky ( 8-year old white gelding from Poland)  
>                                                      c/o micha@moko.saar.de

	Do not worry about your lack of knowledge of English words, you
made yourself very clearly understood with those words you do know!  That
is better than many people who are native English speakers.
	My mare likes bagels, which are a heavy bread donut.  I think the
yeast in the bread makes it taste very good to horses.  However my filly
does not like bread, though she will eat apples which my mare doesn't like.
In the case of dog food, I believe it is the soybean meal or the corn meal 
which constitutes the greatest percentage of dry dog food that the causes the 
horse to like to eat it.  As for horses eating meat in winter, I think
when a horse is starving they may eat anything but give them an opportunity
to eat hay and they generally prefer it unless they have gotten very used
to meat or there are other flavorings disguising the meat flavor.  Also
my horses are tremendously suspicious of any new or unfamiliar food.  They
are very selective and I have seen them pick a section of moldy hay out of 
their feed bins and throw it away and eat only the good stuff (for the
record I was horrified that the owner of the stable I was boarding at 
would feed such lousy hay, I immediately removed the bad hay and found
a good bale and fed them myself with the good hay, AND I complained to
the owner). 
	
					Tracy and everybody
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines)
Subject: Happy Solstice
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:10:12 GMT


Today is Solstice.  Soon, we'll start getting more daylight, which, to me,
means the possibility of more daylight time to ride and the possibility of
more light to dry out the soupy ground in my pastures.  (Not to mention the
fact that more daylight means my disposition will improve.) 

So, since the planet is lightening up, I offer the same wish to
all on rec.equestrian:

                           Lighten up!

:^)


Mary Lee
Ravenswood Apps
Ohio
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: 19ft. Stock Trailer for sale
From: Kathie Robinson <KROBIN@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 22 Dec 1992 14:05:39 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

>> This is a prime example of the complaints several of us have about 'for sale'
>> postings.  There is NO price, (how on earth am I going to determine if I'm
>> even interested) and NO location, (where is it, California or Maine?).

 >     SORRY, I guess you can not make one mistake without being flamed. I
 >     thought horse people where nice. If you would look up the area code
 >     you would find it is in Penn. and if you call the number you would find
 >     out the price. I know that most of you would use company watts so it
 >     would not cost you anything.

>Sorry, Mark, didn't mean to sound nasty, but we've had several discussions
>on the net about postings of things for sale that have no location and no
>price, I guess you missed them.  As it is, I don't have access to a wats
>line, I don't call long distance about items if I don't know enough about
>them to know whether I am interested or not.

>Sue

Nicely put.  I also do not have access to a wats line and I don't have time
to RESEARCH the clues in an ad.
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