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From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <C0Fx6I.EG@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v120qldp@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (JAY WALKER) writes...
>In article <1993Jan6.060410.19730@cis.ohio-state.edu>, imes@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (jeffrey imes) writes...
>>In article <C0Etux.ACx@acsu.buffalo.edu> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes:
>>>
>>>	Would it be beneficial to form a new state separate from NYC?
>> 
>>You bet it would be.  Cut off New York State north of NYC (say Yonkers) and 
>>you find that the state's tax situation is resolved due to NYC and LI's hungry
>>appetites for state funding.  If I recall the figures right (couple years old
>>now) roughly 35-40% of the taxes collected in NYS go to fund Downstate NY 
>>organizations (like Welfare, NYC apt ceiling funds, etc...)  Cutting off NYC
>>would produce sooooo much more money for the rest of the state that the taxes 
>>could be reduced for once instead of the constant rises I keep hearing about.
> 
>I thought it was a lot more than 40%.  I remember one of my HS history teachers
>saying that NYC pays 1/3 of the taxes but gets 2/3 of the benefits.  Did you
>ever notice that NYS is shaped like a funnel?  All the money goes to NYC.
> 
>I think kicking NYC out of the state would be great.  We'd get rid of all the
>NYC bums who go to UB and we'd also finally get Mario out of office!  When's
>the last time this state had a governor that wasn't from downstate?
> 
> 

	I believe that there was a legitimate attempt to create 
another state. One of my assembly member's mailings mentioned a bill 
to do so. It even had a name for the new state, "New New York." It 
wasn't engineered to kick NYC out, just to leave them behind... form a 
new state.

	Have to call Rick Anderson's office...


=============================
Robert Weiss
psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
From: markr@eye.com (Mark Reichert)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: The Great, Great House of Guitars!
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 19:35:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

In article <38347@cbmvax.commodore.com> kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman) writes:
>In article <C0EKI3.HKJ@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> cfmdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Cook) writes:
>>remember Mr. Tomato?  What was Armand's (the proprietor and cult
>>recording artist) last name?
>
>His name is Armand Shoebrook Steels (sp?) if memory serves me correctly.I did

Actually, I think that it is just Armand Shoebrook. 'Armand Shoebrook Steals' was
the name of one of his albums. It is said that he was in jail for a while for
burglary. He also has an lp called 'Ratfucker' that presumably is related.

--Mark

(And no, I don't own any of his albums - I grew up in West Irondequoit.)

Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: fybush@world.std.com (Scott D Fybush)
Subject: Re: The Great, Great House of Guitars!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:49:29 GMT

Actually it's spelled "Schaeubroek"...but pronounced Shoe-brook.

And yes, he did spend some time in jail in the '60s...then founded the
HOG in his mother's basement.  645 Titus came along a few
years later...it used to be a funeral home!

Scott Fybush       <hop hop>

Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say...
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:27:53 GMT

donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes (about Cheektowaga):

: I don't know, I always thought it meant something like "Where the Pink
: Flamingo Roosts".  Seems like every lawn there has a pink flamingo on
: it...

Either a pink flamingo, or a statue of the Blessed Virgin, often placed inside  
an upright old-fashioned claw-footed bathtub.  This is often called "Mary on  
the Half Shell".

Other commonly seen ornaments in Cheektowaga include wooden fat ladies bending  
over tending a garden, blue and purple orbs on pedistals, plastic deer and duck  
families, gnomes, and in South Cheektowaga, urinating little boy fountains.  

Is there any other town in Upstate New York which exhibits the same working  
class characteristics that Cheektowaga is known for, i.e. thousands of acres of  
identical homes, hign number of bowling alleys, extensive lawn ornament  
displays, high native population of volunteer firemen, Chrysler K-cars in every  
driveway, and so on?

--
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                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
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   "I think that I shall never see a billboard lovely as a tree
    Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
From: rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 05:56:36 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

imes@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (jeffrey imes) writes:

> In article <C0Etux.ACx@acsu.buffalo.edu> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robe
> >
> >	Would it be beneficial to form a new state separate from NYC?
> 
> You bet it would be.  Cut off New York State north of NYC (say Yonkers) and 
> you find that the state's tax situation is resolved due to NYC and LI's hungr
> appetites for state funding.  If I recall the figures right (couple years old
> now) roughly 35-40% of the taxes collected in NYS go to fund Downstate NY 
> organizations (like Welfare, NYC apt ceiling funds, etc...)  Cutting off NYC
> would produce sooooo much more money for the rest of the state that the taxes
> could be reduced for once instead of the constant rises I keep hearing about.
> 
     I really do hate NYC.  However, just to play devil's advocate for a 
moment, NYC and surrounding environs easily account for close to 50% of 
the population of New York.  If the total tax going to that area is 
35-40%, they may be getting back less than they put in.  On the other 
hand, if they're getting a bunch of tax money above and beyond what you 
cited, it's a different story.  We need to look at NYC's total tax bite 
before it's possible to figure out what separation would do.

-Bob

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From: ssac+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Alan Sisson)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.electric-midget
Subject: stocks and bondage
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:22:02 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

The farmer said I could spend the night in his house
but DON'T FONDLE THE BUMBLEBEE
of course, as it buzzed by, I couldn't help myself.
I groped it and was stung
so i squashed it
The next day the farmer found it and cried and cried
So I beat him to death with a shovel and stole everything of value
on the premises.
					Teevie >:/
From: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: future transplant
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:36:26 GMT
Reply-To: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)
Distribution: usa


Sorry for the multiple followups, our Inews croaked, and somethings
broken that won't let me cancel the articles now.  I'm sure you all
wanted to read my ranting and raving twice anyway.  Sorry about that.
I feel better now, though.  Really I do.

-- 
Ken Wallich

wallich@ncd.com ~ ken@wallich.com ~ kmw@al.org ~ [...]decwrl!vixie!amber!ken
From: Chris.Hynes@launchpad.unc.edu (Chris Hynes)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: future transplant
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:50:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service


	I will be moving to Oregon or Washington in May of 1994 and I
wanted to get some idea where a good place to live is in Oregon.  Don't
worry, Oregonians, I'm not from California and I'm not going to bring
millions of people with me.  I'm from North Carolina, a state which
detests Floridians sometimes and detests notherners for coming in and
ruining our peace.  I have heard that there is a similar bias towards
Californians in Oregon.  Is this true?  I heard that there used to be a
sign on the Oregon-California border as you head into California that
said, "Thank you for visiting Oregon,"  and somebody had taken spraypaint
and underlinded VISITING several times.  
	Anyway, I would like to live in a small town or somewhere outside
of one of the larger cities, like Eugene or Portland.  I have visited
Oregon as a tourist but have never been to any of the cities, and since I
need a job (please?!), perhaps I will have to live near where other people
live (oh well).  I am particuarly interested in Corvallis and Eugene since
I live in a college town right now (Chapel Hill, NC) and I like that sort
of atmosphere.  I have heard favorable things about Portland as well.  Can
any Oregon insiders help me out here?
	To any bibilophiles in this newsgroup, I work in a bookstore and
would like to find a good place to work somewhere in Oregon.  Does anyone
have any suggestions for good places or actual bookstores that they could
tell me about.  My wife would neew a job either in a University lab or in
some kind of research firm doing lab work.  Any hope for her either?  I
hope I am not intruding on Oregonian culture with my outsider status, so
please tell me if I am.  North Carolinians may be ignorant at times, but
many of us are patient and friendly.  Thanks for your help..

mantis@uncvx1.oit.unc.edu

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From: donb@crash.cts.com (Donald Bowen)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: prices
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:31:28 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA


	Casn anyone give me a break down on prices in Oregon.  I am
concerned about costs invloved in regestering an out of state car in
Oregon, getting a drivers license, income taxes, property taxes, hidden
taxes.

	I am also interested in things like what sort of auto inspections
are required, smog, saftey, and what is involved in getting a drivers license.
Are auto inspections state wide or by county?  I have washington state tags
on one car and CA on another,  I have a washington drivers license.  In general
how much is it going to cost me to return to the Northwest and how much
needless BS does OR place on its people.

	DonB
From: erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Harry Erwin)
Subject: Re: E-Mail Access to Congress (Was Re: Clinton Office Requests Comments
Organization: TRW Systems Division, Fairfax VA
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 14:32:47 GMT

I doubt the White House would want its email addresses known. My son is
working for the Transition Team filtering mail, and they're still trying
to finish up November's intake. If the White House email address became
known, they'd soon be snowed under with mail. Probably the same is true
for Congress. With surface mail, the filtering is easier than if you have
to go through each email message.

Cheers,
-- 
Harry Erwin
Internet: erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com

Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
From: ronda@ais.org (Ronda Hauben)
Subject: Re: E-Mail Access to Congress (Was Re: Clinton Office Requests Comments
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 08:31:49 EST
Organization: UMCC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


I've gotten a postmaster address for email for Congress. It is
 Postmstr@hr.house.gov

Anyone have any further info about particular representatives?

      ronda

Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
From: hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben)
Subject: New Column Idea: Neat Notes from the Net
Summary: Start each new column with Neat Note:{subject}
Keywords: Amateur Computerist Neat Note Children Kids
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:27:14 GMT

	As an experiment, the editors of the Amateur Computerist
Newsletter propose to try to initiate a column in the
alt.amateur-comp newsgroup. If it is deemed successful, we will
also include a summary of the best posts in a future newsletter. 

What's best is that *YOU* can contribute. If you know of, or
discover any exciting resources or capabilities, discussions or
newsgroups, you can post it in the alt.amateur-comp newsgroup.

As an example, I have read for the first time a new hierarchy and
a newsgroup. The k12.chat.* hierarchy is wonderful. It is a fresh
view of the world. Kids are gosh darn *honest*! It was nice to
see some of the "chats". It might be nice to have a
k16[sic].chat.college group in there with the
k12.chat.{elementary, junior, senior} groups. The other thing
exciting about this hierarchy is the fact that it's 6, 7  and 8+
years olds with net access! It is great to see some kind of
world-connectivity going on in elementary schools around the world.

The other interesting newsgroup in this same vein is
alt.kids-talk. Again we see the same type of honest true-to-earth
discourse. It all seems like the beginning of yet more expansion
of the Net, both age and spatially-wise.

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Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,comp.org.eff.talk,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
From: crosmun@crosmun.rtp.dg.com (William Crosmun)
Subject: Re: E-Mail Access to Congress (Was Re: Clinton Office Requests Comments
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 20:59:15 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1993Jan4.192159.22462@panix.com> simona@panix.com (Simona Nass) writes:
>
>Hope I'm reading your suggestion correctly. I object to having people vote
>for House reps on the national level by party because it eliminates voter
>discretion. I want to know which *individual* will be representing me, not
>what party they belong to. I study their stances on issues and find
>combinations I can live with. It's not always clearly correlated with
>party.

A lot of people seem to take your approach when they vote; considering the
individual before the party.  A lot of candidates run on the platform that
"The government may be screwed up but I've been trying to fix it for the last
??? years.  Re-elect me and let me finish the job."  The results of the last
election show that this line of reasoning is convincing as most incumbents
actually running were re-elected.  Unfortunately, the reality is that the
indidvidual really doesn't make as much difference as the party.  Consider the
current freshman class, sent to Washington with fire in their eyes and hunger
in their belly to fix the problems of this country, starting with the deficit.
They've already been coopted with the old canard, if you want to get along
here and serve your district you'd better shut up and go along.  All the 
congressional leaders were re-elected (on the Democratic side, anyway), the
committee chairmen are still the same, the notion of term limits has been
swept under the rug, term limits for committee chairmen is dead (except on the
Republican side), etc.   If you really want change, voting for individuals is
buying you nothing.



===============================================================================
William Crosmun
crosmun@dg-rtp.dg.com

===============================================================================
"The whole idea of our government is this: If enough people get together and
 act in concert, they can take something and not pay for it."
			  
                                      P.J. O'Rourke - A Parliament of Whores

===============================================================================
"By the way Romans executed homosexuals in their military. I don't think 
 it was a common practice among the Roman Citizenry. Greeks have always
 liked it though, maybe that is why the Romans conquered the Greeks? That's
 it! The Greeks fell because of homosexuality! The Romans because of
 Christianity.  The Americans will because of stupidity!"

                                      jim shirreffs - 1992

===============================================================================

Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,news.misc
From: tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan)
Subject: Re: New Column Idea: Neat Notes from the Net
Keywords: Amateur Computerist Neat Note Children Kids
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 06:20:50 GMT

hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben) writes:

>The other interesting newsgroup in this same vein is
>alt.kids-talk. Again we see the same type of honest true-to-earth
>discourse. It all seems like the beginning of yet more expansion
>of the Net, both age and spatially-wise.

Michael: I'm sure not looking for an argument but I wonder how you or
for that matter anyone can describe alt.kids-talk as "honest and
true-to-earth"... at least any moreso than any other newsgroup on the
net.

I saw your posting there so you must read it once in a while.  The
talk is about Jr. High School dating and who kissed who at the dance
that isn't honesty, it isn't "dishonesty" but uhhhh...

I'm really curious about the phenomenon.  30, 40 or 50 year-old suggests
that people shouldn't kill whales and they have some sort of motive and
a 10 year suggests the same thing and "kids sure know what's right".

What about alt.old-folks do they return to honest, true-to-Earth
discourse or is that stuff over once you reach 18 ?

Again, don't misunderstand me I'm not trying to start an argument, I just
can't figure out where most of these unsubstantiated beliefs come from.

It reminds me when people say things like "she is such a pretty little
girl who would have thought she would shoplift ?"

tom

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From: jganson@stein.u.washington.edu (Jeffrey Ganson)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
Subject: Re: E-Mail Access to Congress (Was Re: Clinton Office Requests Comments
Date: 9 Jan 1993 19:47:24 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

In article <WRf=q!=@engin.umich.edu> ronda@ais.org (Ronda Hauben) writes:
>
>I've gotten a postmaster address for email for Congress. It is
> Postmstr@hr.house.gov
>
>Anyone have any further info about particular representatives?
>
>      ronda

Is this address for both the House and Senate?  And is mail to this address 
forwarded to the correct congressperson, or is this just for messages to 
Congress in general?    
?
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From: simona@panix.com (Simona Nass)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,comp.org.eff.talk,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
Subject: Re: E-Mail Access to Congress (Was Re: Clinton Office Requests Comments
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:21:59 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In <1993Jan02.015607.13246@hounix.org> wlarkin@hounix.org (Ward Larkin)
writes:

>The House election would become national, and voters would simply
>cast a vote for a single political party.  Then each politcal party
>would get to have the same percentage of representatives as they
>received in the popular election.  A minimum percentage could be
>set to qualify for any representatives, but my thought is that
>approximately 1 per cent ( or four representatives ) would be a
>good minimum.

Hope I'm reading your suggestion correctly. I object to having people vote
for House reps on the national level by party because it eliminates voter
discretion. I want to know which *individial* will be representing me, not
what party they belong to. I study their stances on issues and find
combinations I can live with. It's not always clearly correlated with
party.

Also, what about having several democrats running against each other and
the benefits of choice among candidates? If % percent of the nation votes
democrat, who decides which of the people running get to fill that spot?

How is it determined which person represents a particular voter? It is
utterly demoralizing to talk with your representative and know he doesn't
care about your pro-choice (e.g.) vote because it is another geographic
area, with completely different demographics, that will continue to vote
him into office.

Voters must be able to control whether *that particular person* gets
reelected, or else we lose even more accountability by legislators to the
people who have to live with their decisions. Direct accountability to
voters is vital to the integrity of some legislators and certainly the
system's responsiveness to the public's needs, and I see your suggestion
as weakening that connection. -S.
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Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,news.misc
From: tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan)
Subject: Re: New Column Idea: Neat Notes from the Net
Keywords: Amateur Computerist Neat Note Children Kids
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:03:02 GMT

hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben) writes:
>
>Some of the things I read were truthful. Kids saying
>how Christmas vacation was "boring." The pure simple hinest truth
>- not dressing it up anyway. Also kids saying how certain
>teachers are bad, etc.

>I don't know if I really
>answered your question or not, but I still find it fresh to see
>some pure honest somehow, that somehow doesn't seem slanted,
>opinionated or otherwise from a certain angle.

Ok I'll drop it for now since it does sound like rose-colored glasses
time but off the following:

For a sense of perspective calling something "boring" has nothing at all
to do with "honesty" and kids saying that teachers are bad is usually
the excuse for "I don't like the subject".  They are willing to slander
the teacher because they don't like History.

If you recall there was a thread on kids-talk about getting a job and
one boy wrote "adults just don't care about kids" and a number of other
things "proving" in his mind and attempting to prove to others that he
was being denied a job at a local computer store "because he was a kid".

Later he explained how he could "probably run the entire store" and a
week later told everyone that he wrote his first Mac program.

Sure he was "honest" in his own mind but but I found the entire thing
"slanted, opinionated or otherwise from a certain angle" his ideas were
as distorted at 14 as some people's are at 24 or 74.

I think the big thread now is drinking and throwing up at parties more
of that honesty that you just never find on alt.tasteless.

I'll just disagree with the premise that kids are somehow "more honest"
or insightful than any other age group.

tom

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