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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The victims of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle remembered.
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 22:02:41 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1475100112@igc.org> pnmideast@igc.org writes:

>/* Written  4:04 pm  Jan 13, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
>Copyright Inter Press Service 1991, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
>print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

	Historical and Traditional Armenian Barbarism 
	=============================================

  	January 27, 1973 - Santa Barbara, California
	The vicious circle of modern Armenian terrorism begins: The 
	Armenian Georgeu Yanikian, a U.S. Citizen, invites the Turkish consul 
	general, Mehmet Baydar, and the consul, Bahadir Demir, to his home 
	for "tea". The unsuspecting diplomats accept the friendly invitation. 
	Georgeu Yanikian murders his two guests.

  	April 4, 1973 - Paris
	Bombing at the Turkish Consulate and the offices of THY, the Turkish 
	Airline. Extensive damage.

Serdar Argic

                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that 
                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks 
                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists 
                            a single Turkish soul.'    (Sahak Melkonian)


Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: israel vs. the world
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: talk
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:17:37 GMT


jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
#dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
#
## we still have you and Henderson to be our voice
## of reason and compassion.
#
# It's certainly a sad day when people need to be 
# reminded that shooting little girls is wrong.

I think everybody knows that, and most people would agree the girl
wasn't shot on purpose. I am also sure that before the British
turned half of the German cities into burning infernos they took
care that all the little boys and girls would be evacuated.

Anyway, I was talking about the general tone of your posters, not
a specific line or two. 

-Danny Keren.
From: ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: israel vs. the world
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:34:58 GMT
Distribution: talk
Organization: University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1993Jan6.1777.22119@channel1>, "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com> writes:
> 
> I just finished Leibowitz's book and was mightily impressed by
> it. He is an Israeli national treasure and a Jewish treasure. For
> you to associate him with the most vile forms of anti-Semitism is
> quite despicable.
> 
> Leibowitz is a forceful thinker, a man of unshakeable integrity,
> and a prophetic visionary of the highest order. Spiritual power
> comes through his every word. He may well go down in history as
> one of the most important Jewish thinkers of the 20th century.



	I agree with basically all of the above. The tune sounds
	a bit too melodramatic, though. Has Wayne become an
	EMOTIONAL SUPPORTER of Prof. Leibowitz?



 
> You should be worried, though: if anything could induce me to
> convert to Judaism, it would be men like Leibowitz. I can't think
> of any other religious figure in the world today who possesses
> his spiritual quality. He manages to present Judaism as a noble
> pursuit indeed. 


	Come now, Wayne. If you'd taken this prophetic visioner
	of the highest order more seriously your conversion to
	Judaism should have been a fait accompli by now.


How would you like to have me arguing with you
> from within the fold? That should give you a few sleepless
> nights.... Rabbi McGuire....


	Here's one lesson in Judaism for the new convert: It 
	doesn't matter with whom you argue or on what you
	argue. You argue for the sake of arguing.


Noam


> 
> Any time you feel up to discussing the substance of the book, let
> me know.
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> 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: kremer@taveng.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Deportation vs. Murder
Reply-To: kremer@taveng.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:55:20 GMT


In article <1993Jan07.020243.108257@locus.com>, 
|>In article <1993Jan6.190629.19897@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
|>>In article <Jan.4.13.19.05.1993.19258@bach.rutgers.edu> marwang@bach.rutgers.edu (Marwan Gharaybeh) writes:
|>>>kremer@taveng.enet.dec.com writes:
|>>
|>>>>	Oops your anti-Semitism is showing again.
|>>
|>>>Insisting that I am anti-Semitic when I SAID several times that I am 
|>>>a Semite is really stupid and foolish on your part. You are very much
|>>
|>>Insisting that you don't speak English very well, while clear from
|>>your posts, does not excuse your ignoring the fact that the words
|>>anti-Semite and semite are not related, as you have been told many
|>>times. 
|>
|>It stunns me how you are so good at manipulating issues and 
|>sometimes convincing people that they are guilty while they are not.

	If you mean guilty of not knowing English too well -
	the facts speak for themselves. 

|>
|>If you wish to be so frank, then change the word from Anti-semite
|>to Anti-Jewish.  Isn't your target is adressing the 
|>man as being Anti-Jewish?  Then spell it out.  By using the word

	"Anti-Semite" is the proper English word for saying 
	"Anti-Jewish".(look it up in the dictionary!).
From: "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: leibowitz
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:17:53 EST
Reply-To: "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com>
Distribution: talk
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

To: Josh Backon

You offered some more nasty ad hominem remarks about Leibowitz,
Harkabi, and Neusner, but nothing in the way of any substantive
criticism of the specific ideas in their works.

The fact that you may have had some passing personal acquaintance
with the gentlemen in no way makes you an expert on their views.
Do you believe that anyone who was ever a neighbor or
acquaintance of Josh Backon is an authoritative expert on your
views?

Your assertion that I want to see Israel disappear is false. I
want to see Israel survive and prosper. But the policies it is
currently pursuing in my opinion make it more than less likely
that the entire Mideast is going to go up in a fireball.
Increasingly the world is thinking about how to quarantine the
Mideast in the likely event that all the parties in the area are
too fanatical and tribalistic to arrive at a peace agreement and
avoid the consequences of a nuclear holocaust.

Anytime you have some specific and concrete remarks to make about
the substance of Leibowitz's Judaism, Human Values, and the
Jewish State, let me know.

Wayne
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Chechens
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 22:40:19 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <2706@cronos.metaphor.com> covdy@shemesh.metaphor.com (Ivan Covdy) writes:

>Well, well. Sargikian-Mutlian would definitely applaud this!

Everything you need to know is in there somewhere. What else to tell you?
A merciless massacre of the civilian population of the small Azeri 
town of Khojali (Pop. 6000) in Karabagh, Azerbaijan, is reported to 
have taken place on the night of Feb. 28 under a coordinated military 
operation of the 366th mechanized division of the CIS army and the 
Armenian insurgents. Close to 1000 people are reported to have been 
massacred. Elderly and children were not spared. Many were badly beaten 
and shot at close range. A sense of rage and helplessness has overwhelmed 
the Azeri population in face of the well armed and equipped Armenian 
insurgency. The neighboring Azeri city of Aghdam outside of the
Karabagh region has come under heavy Armenian artillery shelling. City 
hospital was hit and two pregnant women as well as a new born infant 
were killed. Azerbaijan is appealing to the international community to 
condemn such barbaric and ruthless attacks on its population and its 
sovereignty.

Serdar Argic

                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that 
                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks 
                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists 
                            a single Turkish soul.'    (Sahak Melkonian)


Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Terrorism
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:16:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.072800.9544@informix.com> proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes:

# In article <43351@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans) writes:

# >	If someone plants a bomb which later explodes in a 
# >        military transport plane flying to Somalia, 
# >	I would consider that TERRORISM, even if none of the
# >	dead were civilians.

# How about if someone plants a bomb in the King David Hotel? 

	The name of a place is irrelevent.  Military headquarters is
military headquarters.  It makes no difference if the military
headquarters is called the "King David Hotel" or "Pentagon".
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Wayne: How Do I Subscribe to Channel 1?
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:54:50 GMT
Distribution: talk
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

In article <1993Jan5.1777.22062@channel1> "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com> writes:
>To: Elias Davidsson/Center for Policy Research
>
>Thanks for taking the trouble to respond directly and fully to my
>questions.
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Wayne --

How do I subscribe to the Channel 1 BBS?  How do I obtain an
index of services, forums, and resources available at 
Channel 1?  Thanks.

-- Chris Metcalfe
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: News from the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:33:42 GMT

In article <29971@castle.ed.ac.uk>, jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
writes:

|>In article <1993Jan7.162321.166@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
|>~> It might be interesting to publish the standard American or British
|>~> police or military response to someone running at them.
|>~
|>~
|>~THEY SHOOT TO KILL !!!!!
|>
|>Sources, please.
|>
|>~You mean in democratic Amerika ???? Where the Supreme Court ruled that it's
|>OK

Since the british police don't carry guns they would have difficulty shooting to
kill.

The US cops act like to play Starsky and Hutch though.
--

Phill Hallam-Baker
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: Israeli Nazism? 
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:09:48 GMT

dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:


>As to the major characteristic of Nazi terror, mass murder of
>civilians with poison gas, it was practiced in the mideast only
>by Arabs against other Arabs (Iraq and Egypt).

One small quibble, Danny: the Iraqis were using poison gas on Kurds, and
it is my understanding (correct me, please, if I'm wrong) that Kurds are
not Arabs.  This is not, obviously, intended to excuse such an outrage
but I find the frequent accusation that Arabs perform atrocities on
other Arabs to have unfortunate overtones of ethnocentricity.

For my own interest, I'd like to know what you mean about the reference
to Egypt.  Iraqi use of gas is pretty well established and familiar, due
to news reports, but I hadn't heard anything about the Egyptians.

--Jeff Frane

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From: asuncion@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Prick Us, Do We Not Bleed...Hamas, Do We Not Bite
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:30:35 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


Israel: Prick Us, Do We Not Bleed...Hamas, Do We Not Bite

 Yitzak Rabin may not be willing to admit it, but much of the mess
over the 415 Palestinian,sent on a very long winter camping trip in
no-man's land, is largely owing to Israeli shortsightedness. The
execution of an Israeli border guard by Hamas was not entirely
surprising. Moreover, the news that Hamas, a bunch of second-rate
Islamic gun-toters, was actively encouraged by Israel years ago was
even less surprising. Although, the original purpose of such
support was geared towards the strengthening of a counterweight to
the PLO, it should be clear by now to the Israelis that the enemy
of my enemy is not always my friend.  The latest Hamas execution of
an Israeli Shin Bet (counter espionage) operative in a rather
blatantly nasty manner ( hammers and knives)  may be a hint that
Israel still hasn't learned its lesson. The operative was
supposedly murdered  by a Hamas double (who naturally turned out to
be triple). All of this occurred within a very short time following
the expulsion of the 415 Hamas supporters destined for a bit of
roughin it in the outdoors. Admittedly, the execution of the border
guard may have turned up the heat on Shin Bet, but surely there was
no need to be so careless. What's more, Mr. Rabin seems to be
leading his country down that same ol' slippery slope. He has
disillusioned moderate Palestinians and Israelis alike with the
expulsion fiasco. Moreover, this charade of pretending not to
negotiate with the PLO is simply pathetic given that the
negotiation team is simply Arafat's answering service.


M.A.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: News from the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:18:54 GMT

In article <1il004INNh3c@life.ai.mit.edu> gwydion@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Basalat Ali Raja) writes:

# jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) wrote:
 
# # You're forgetting, Makowsky knows *everything*. There are lots more where he
# # comes from, that's why they don't need to bother with trials in Israel.
 
# In article <1ik4esINN4jt@early-bird.think.com> shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes:
 
# >Sorry to tell you but Makowsky lives in the United States. 
 
# According to Makowsky, Makowsky comes from Israel.

	Funny, coming from a person who has falsified my name in the past.
I will not enter your debate, but please tell when I posted that.
From an article where you did not fake my name.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
From: revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Anti-Semite
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:36:56 GMT

<1iptmiINN97r@life.ai.mit.edu> gwydion@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mercenary Programmer):

an-ti (an/ti, an/te) n., pl. -tis. Informal. a person opposed to a
particular policy, action, etc.
Sem-ite (sem'it or esp. Brit., semit) 1. A member of any of various
ancient and modern peoples originating in SW Asia, among whom are
the Hebrews and Arabs. 2. A Jew. 3. a member of any of the peoples
supposedly descended from Shem.

The meaning derived for "anti-Semite" by using the above does not
conflict with the meaning that you posted.  


	"Dote" means to show foolish fondness.  That tells us
	little about the meaning of "antidote".

>...All that you have been
>abe to show is that Jews have been given special treatment by the
>people who claim to be the guardians of the English language.  


	Of course.  Jews not only control the media, they
	control the dictionaries as well.  :)
-- 
Ron Evans (revans@math.ucsd.edu)
From: marwang@bach.rutgers.edu (Marwan Gharaybeh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: No, This is the Quote of the year (was Re: Deportation vs. Murder)
Date: 7 Jan 93 06:11:29 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:

Actually you have been tricked ... There two quotes but with the same
author. Mr Shostack (looks like he is english literature major) is the
most illiterate english speaker ... See for yourselves.

First he says ...

>Insisting that you don't speak English very well.

And then ... Boom ...

>the words anti-Semite and semite are not related.

--Marwan
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From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: "George William Herbert" goes to Washington D.C.
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:24:25 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1993Jan8.150130.18022@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> nesbitt@govan.edu writes:
 > In article <9301072004@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) alias Ahmet
 > Cosar writes:
 > 
 > >>>As usual, it is a blatant lie.
 > >
 > >>Gosh! For once Argic gets something right!! Ahmet Cosar is the system 
 > >>administrator of anatolia.mn.org, Mutlu is his pal. This deadly duo together
 > >>with a couple of others post under the pen name 'Serdar Argic'
 > >
 > >Mega-liar in action. 
 > 
 > Which bit's wrong 'Mutlu'? Cosar's postmaster@anatolia? Mutlu's his friend?
 > 
No, I think the part that is wrong is that 'Serdar Argic' is a pen name.
 > 
 > >>Actually Mutlu had quite an amusing turn of phrase, something seriously
 > lacking
 > >>in the Serdar Argic postings. 
 > >
 > >I miss him, too.
 > 
 > Serious case of schizophrenia here folks! You're missing yourself Mutlu??!!
 > 
No, the style of the postings should have convinced you that Hasan B. is no
longer involved (except perhaps at the programming end).
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home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland; e-mail: dik@cwi.nl
From: spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Can anyone answer a real quick, simple question?
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:32:35 GMT

> >>cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:
> >>
> >>>The United Nations condemned Israeli expulsion of Palestinians from
> >>>the Occupied Territories.
> >>
> >>>My question...why did the UN not condemn the acts of terrorism
> >>>which *led* to the expulsions?
> >>
> >>>Can anyone (pro or anti -Israel) answer this?
> >>
Probably for the same reason that the UN failed to condemn the hijackers  
of that Air France jet that made an unscheduled stopover in Entebbe, then  
condemned the Israeli rescue operation (Operation Jonathan, nee  
Thunderbolt) as "air piracy". Since when is the UN a neutral party when it  
comes to the Middle East?

jeff  

hine mah tov uma naim shevet achim gam yachad...........
From: "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: deportations
Date: 5 Jan 93 05:39:13 EST
Reply-To: "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com>
Distribution: talk
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

To: David Makowsky

 DM> William Safire did not give his interpretation.  He was
 DM> reporting on the OFFICIAL interpretations of the Geneva
 DM> Conventions as well as its evolution.

Kindly name one international lawyer in the world who is not a
militant Zionist who supports Israel's and Safire's
interpretation of the Geneva Conventions.

 DM> The US and the world are making POLITICAL, NOT LEGAL,
 DM> statements. When Bush Baker & Associates wanted the State
 DM> department to issue a legal opinion with your
 DM> interpretation, they had to get some third rate flunky to do
 DM> it. None of their top lawyers would because they knew it was
 DM> bogus.

Present even one particle of proof to back up this statement, if
you can. Name the incident and name the lawyers.

If you can't answer these two questions, readers here may well
feel obligated to disregard all your assertions.
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: Rab C. Nesbitt
Subject: Re: "George William Herbert" goes to Washington D.C.
Organization: The Two Ways, Govan.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:27:01 GMT
Reply-To: nesbitt@govan.edu
X-Posted-From: mac_f173_78.dcs.gla.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <9301021613@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>In article <1hu1erINNsct@agate.berkeley.edu> gwh@soda.berkeley.edu (George
William Herbert) writes:
>
>>The system administrator of anatolia.mn.org is(was) Hasan B. Mutlu,
>
>As usual, it is a blatant lie.

Gosh! For once Argic gets something right!! Ahmet Cosar is the system 
administrator of anatolia.mn.org, Mutlu is his pal. This deadly duo together
with a couple of others post under the pen name 'Serdar Argic'

>>I have had quite a bit of correspondence with him, and none of it
>>approached rationality more than the Sergar posts do.

Actually Mutlu had quite an amusing turn of phrase, something seriously lacking
in the Serdar Argic postings. I suspect Mutlu has packed it in, probably to
get on with a real life, and left Ahmet Cosar and a couple of others to carry
the flag of revisionism under the 'Argic' postings. The 'Argic' phrases don't
even make sense and just make him look a gibbering fanatic.

>That is the result of watching "arromdians" of "ASALA/SDPA/ARF" too
>much. Is this a figment of your imagination or a "Herbert" propaganda
>movie script. Well, anyway, still anxiously awaiting...

..like the phrase above!! Can anyone make any sense of it??!!

Rab

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