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From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: The Borg are here!!!
Organization: Murdoch University
Date:  9 Sep 92 03:34:19 GMT

What about the tennis champ Bjorn Borg?  No wonder he was invincible!

Mike
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From: 2261as@gmuvax2.gmu.edu ( )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 rumor
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:59:56 GMT
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.

Also, I've heard that O'Brien(or at least the same actor) will
be part of the crew as an officer.  Maybe having a family
makes you reach onward and upward.
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From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:TNG "The Next Phase" SPOILERS!!
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:26:51 GMT
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way

Well, I hope no one else has done this.   My apologies if this is a
duplication!

In article <1992Sep3.125510.8167@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>
>-	How was Picard involved in Jack Crusher's death?

He was, quite simply, in charge of the away team which Jack Crusher was
part of when he was snuffed out.

>-	_Are_ JLP and Beverly involved? i.e., what does she want to tell
>	hime every time they're placed in mortal danger?

Could be that she wants to tell him that she doesn't hold him to blame
for her husband's death?

>-	What's Guinan all about?  Where'd they find this woman/being?
>	What's her connection to JLP?

Now, here you've got me!

>and now...
>
>-	What the hell did Ro do that was so godawful that they can't 
>	tell us about it?

She caused the deaths of all members of a prior away team because she
didn't follow orders.

>I _demand_ answers!  Well, not really, but it would be nice.  I'm sick
>of being teased by writers who aren't prepared to answer any of their
>own questions.

Well, I'm not sure this helps but at least I've tried!  :-)

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From: FisKer@cup.portal.com (Scott M Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: 25th Aniversary game - HELP!!!!
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 01:05:43 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <1992Sep12.041507.21922@news.unomaha.edu>


Actually, in the "Another Fine Mess" episode in the 25th Anniv. Game,
All you need to do is use the communications console in the bridge of the
derelict again. I don't know what triggers it, but after a while, the
Enterprise comes back in range and beams you up. This one was pretty
non-dramatic, and know matter how much I wanted to, the computer wouldn't
let me phaser Mudd. 

I'm having some difficulty getting 4/4 on the next mission "The Feathered
Serpent" -- I can get 3/4 easily. If anyone has a list of the things
to do, I'd be interested in seeing it.
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From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: Where No Man Has Gone Before
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:50:26 GMT

In article <rawdon.716232679@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <1992Sep11.144550.677@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell,G2,3123,homephone) writes:
>>The latest episode of TOS shown by Auntie Beeb in its nth repeat showing
>>was "Where No Man Has Gone Before", the 2nd pilot (Kirks first). Interestingly
>>considering the title Jim did not say "Space, the final frontier..."
>>in the credit sequence. There were some other differences, different uniforms,
>
>Same uniforms as "The Cage", in fact... and no McCoy.
>
>>Sulu as head of Science section, no McCoy. Scotty was there to beam them up though.
>>Spock was "fascinating", very *logical* and unemotional. When Spock lost at 3-d
>>chess to Jim's *illogical* play (does Spock ever win?) Spock said one of his
>>ancestors married a human female (we all know which one now). Spocks ultra
>>Vulcan behaviour could be explained by the fact that Mitchell was Kirk's best friend
>>in this one, not Spock.
>
>It's interesting to contrast Kirk and Spock's attitudes toward the threat here
>with those in "The Man Trap" and "Devil In The Dark" (though the main
>difference here is that the menace is Kirk's best friend).
>
>>			  Mitchell was played by Gary Lockwood who appeared in
>>the best SF film EVER (IMHO) 2001:A space odyssey.
>
>I find 2001 to be uninteresting and unexciting.  I can bring myself to watch
>it about once every five years, and it still seems boring.

When 2001 came out, it was innovative and a herald of things to come.  Up 
until that time, the only comparable work had been "The Forbidden Planet."
I remember how awed I was seeing it in the theatre at it's first release.  The
special effects, the psuedo-warped story-telling method, and the utter 
confusion in attempting to figure out what the story actually was.  I was
entranced.  Then I read the book.  That helped a little bit.  In retrospect,
and whenever I see it again, I am a bit 'unexcited' by it, but I think that's
more a matter of being partially jaded by movies like "Star Wars" and so on.
On its own merits, IMHO, I think 2001 was an excellent groundbreaker in the
genre when it comes to movies.

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From: CXMP <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: RE: Explanation of Inner Light
Organization: McGill University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:39:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.171434.21168@mlb.semi.harris.com> mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com (Mark W. Poole) writes:
>I just saw "Inner Light" for the first time this weekend, and
>really got lost at the end.  I didn't understand how Pickard's
>wife and friend could all of a sudden show up at the end, just
>as the missile was being launched....and what happened to
>Pickard's character on the planet after he returned to
>consiousness on the Enterprise?  It really threw me.

This may have already been explained on the net but here goes.

First of all, Picard's character was never on the planet, nor was he
living out someone else's life.  The probe that was sent contained
information about the planet.  The problem with sending such a probe
is a) nobody may receive it, b) there might not be anyone to receive
it (it is made clear that these people don't have knowledge of other
worlds) and c) whoever might receive it might not know what to make
of it.  The solution?  Design a probe that sends information directly
into the receiver's mind.  Of course, this probe did more than that:
this probe *interacted* with the receiver (Picard) in such a way
that the receiver would believe he was part of their culture and learn
"firsthand".

Some interesting points.  First of all, it wouldn't have made sense
for any of the planet's inhabitants to have had latex on their face or
pointy ears because they *probably* didn't really look like that; they
had no way of knowing what kind of creatures would encounter the probe.
Second, by having Picard live "out his life" as one of them, Picard
was able to choose what information he would receive.  Third, knowing
that they were dying, they wanted to have their culture live on; this
is why the probe was "empty" except for the flute.  Remember: Picard was
told by "his wife" that "he" wanted to learn how to play it; learning
to play the flute was to be one of the things they wanted Picard to pass
on to his species.  Finally, "his wife" and "his friend" were only
*based* on real people; you can imagine that in real life these two were
people who worked together on the probe.  You can also imagine how the
experience might have been different if it had been someone other than
Picard who was selected by the probe.

Actually, until you made me think about it, it didn't make sense to *me*
either.

Now let's see if my signature works this time.

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From: dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
Subject: Re: Explanation of Inner Light
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:49:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.165525.12231@watson.ibm.com> rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers) writes:
|   Did anyone else have any problems with the fact that the people who
|launched the probe barely had enough technology to launch missiles, and
|yet they were able to penetrate the E-D's shields?
|

	Yep.  Great big Godzilla-sized ones.

	Not to mention building the mind control gizmo in the first place.

	Or even building ANYTHING that was still working a thousand years after
being launched...must have been using those new Duracells.

dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com   ...uunet!tronsbox!dfrancis     GEnie: D.HEFFERNAN1
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STVI
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:50:13 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <24660@oasys.dt.navy.mil> cmiller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Catherine Miller) writes:
>In one episode of ST:TNG, I heard Troi referred to as "Sir".  Does any
>one know why "sir" instead of "ma'am"?0

Presumably because she's an officer.  Therefore she was referred to as "sir"
for the same reason Lt. Saavik was in Star Trek II.

-- 
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, and only one person were of the
contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one
person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
                                                      -John Stuart Mill
From: 00rrchorzemp@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Jeff Stryker in ST: TNG?
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:48:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.193230.10215@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, THALL@vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA (Tom Hall) writes:
> I have heard a (so far) unsubstantiated rumor that Jeff Stryker, a porno
> "star", is scheduled to join the cast of ST:TNG sometime during the
> coming season. Can anyone confirm or deny this rumour?

Disclaimer: The Rumors Start Here!

Yes, He's Replacing Frakes as Riker...  With Riker's rep., Stryker is 
DEFINATELY the better actor for the part ;^)  Besides, all Jeff has to do is
drop the first two letters of his last name....Hmm.... 
Maybe We'll finally get to see some of those steamy love scenes that Riker has
with anything Humanoid, beautiful, and even *thinks* it's female!! ;^)

Capt. Bequi Horizen, USS Ferryman UFP
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TNG Special effects (Was: Was TOS really that bad?)
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:52:19 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Robert A Seace writes:
>         I agree with Michael (no big surprise there ;-)).  The TNG ships
> always look computer generated or something to me.  As Michael said, "they
> LOOK like special effects", which kind of defeats the whole purpose of
> having FX: to convince the audience that this is 'real'.  The TOS ships did
> indeed look 'real' to me; they had a realistic look and a solidity that
> most TNG ships lack.  The ships in the movies look pretty realistic, as
> well.  However, I really don't believe that TNG does use the same techniques
> as in the movies, as you claim.  If they do, then they are doing something
> wrong, because the end product looks like a special effect, not a real ship.
> Also, TNG doesn't use ILM (who does the FX for most of the movies; and, who
> created THE most realistic ships in any movie I've ever seen: Star Wars), so
> that might have something to do with it.


Sorry, but you're wrong there.  While ILM does not do the special effects for
TNG, they WERE hired to build the two models of the Enterprise (there is one
six-feet long and one two feet long)  I read about this in the first issue of
some TNG fanzine (never seen any other of the issues, but I assume the mag is
still in production).  They showed how the NCC-1701D was built and discussed
the various methods they used in construction.

The reason it looks so different from the ships used in the movies is due to a
couple of factors.  Firstly, the resolution is much lower on TV than in the
movies.  Also, the lighting is usually really weird in TNG.  There are a couple
of shots where the lighting is different and the ship looks much better (more
shadows on the windows, more detail is revealed).  Also, ILM was not allowed to
improvise at all in the construction of the ship model.  They were given
complete plans and told to build the ship the way the plans dictated.  Whereas
in Star Wars they just went wild and put whatever they wanted into the ships,
which usually meant lots of neat little projections and things.

BTW, I think the TOS ship looked like a cheap model.  The best ship on TV has
to be that cool green Romulan warbird in TNG.


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From: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Subject: Re: Explanation of Inner Light
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:55:25 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.12 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1992Sep15.095303.948@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>  z_clarkmj@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> In article <1992Sep14.171434.21168@mlb.semi.harris.com>, mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com (Mark W. Poole) writes:
> > I just saw "Inner Light" for the first time this weekend, and
> > really got lost at the end.  I didn't understand how Pickard's
> > wife and friend could all of a sudden show up at the end, just
> > as the missile was being launched....and what happened to
> > Pickard's character on the planet after he returned to
> > consiousness on the Enterprise?  It really threw me.
> >

   Did anyone else have any problems with the fact that the people who
launched the probe barely had enough technology to launch missiles, and
yet they were able to penetrate the E-D's shields?


--
Sincerely,
Ryan Rogers
From: rene@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: _War_Drums_ Review: *SPOILERS*
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:52:40 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

RE:  _War Drums_
  
   Good, somebody else here agrees with me.  I picked up _War Drums_
to go through on a plane trip, and like almost every other Pocket Book
of Dreck I've had a look at recently, it sucked.  I also had the
misfortune to pick up _A Flag Full of Stars_  (even worse than War
Drums, I can assure you) and _Chains of Attack_.  In fact, I was
beginning to convince myself that all Pocket Trek sucks, but found
myself moderately enjoying _Ishmael_. 
 
   Yeah, War Drums has plot holes you could drive the Enterprise
through.  Mr.
oh-no-I-busted-the-tricorder-and-can't-locate-the-Kligons Data seemed
to conveniently forget that he could have radioed the orbiting
enterprise to have another sent.
 
   My biggest objection to the Pocket trek I've read is that the
writers don't seem to give a damn about the quality of the writing.  I
happened to be reading a Ray Bradbury novel around the time I read War
Drums and the contrast between the two was killing me...
From: jstravis@bass.bu.edu (John Travis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: naked time and naked now
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:15:19 GMT
Reply-To: jstravis@bass.bu.edu (John Travis)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Boston University

To mark the start of 5 days a week syndication in Boston, channel
56 is having a warpspeed weekend. Tonite they showed back to back, episodes
from TOS and TNG that dealt with an infection that made everyone act
drunk (yes, the famous tasha does data episode)

Seeing how much TNG drew from TOS was very interesting. I enjoyed the
TOS episode, but it was just silly all the time. I found the TNG
episode hilarious. While there was physical humor also, they did
include a lot of subtle looks and actions that made me crack up.
Picard and Crusher were outrageous together! All in all, quite
a fun evening for what was expected to be a boring Friday night
alone.

Which one did others like better?

john travis

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From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: The Borg are here!!!
Organization: Murdoch University
Date:  5 Sep 92 09:02:15 GMT

stanaway@ssd.comm.mot.com (Chris Stanaway) writes:
>What shocked me was the
>name of the manufacturer:   BORG

>We're in trouble now :-)

I thought they were more confrontationalist - it appears that they are trying
to get in to our society by adapting; is that assimilation?

Mike
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From: KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why San Francisco?
Date: 7 Sep 92 04:19:50 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <14897@mindlink.bc.ca>, Laura_Halliday@mindlink.bc.ca (Laura
Halliday) says:
>
>San Francisco has unique geography, so we recognize the `exterior' shots
>immediately, and know exactly where in San Francisco they are. San Francisco
>has an atmosphere and mythology (played up in the Dixon Hill episodes) that
>few
>other cities have.

This is why I *love* watching movies/TV shows set in San Francisco.  Quite
often, I can recognize exactly where they are shooting, and can even point
out the facades they have modified to fit the film :-)
>
>A few other cities have the atmosphere (e.g. New Orleans), but I suspect more
>people would recognize the Golden Gate Bridge than the Lake Pontchartrain
>Causeway...
>
>I personally find San Francisco to be an illogical (if delightful) choice.
>Starfleet is clearly derived from 20th century organizations, so how did
>Starfleet's headquarters get so far away from New York (U.N.) or Houston
>and/or Cape Canaveral (NASA)?

Ah, an interesting bit of historical "trivia" here, although it shouldn't be.
The U.N. was *founded* in San Francisco, in the Civic Center, in fact.  That
is where the first organizational meeting was held, in 1945, at which time
they decided on New York as the location of the UNO Building.  So there *is*
a logical reason for some UFP facilities to be located in San Francisco.

                                             -- Mike Kelsey
                                                SF expatriate in LA :-(

[  My opinions are not endorsed by SLAC, Caltech, or the US government  ]
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What is your _quest_?   "To get a Ph.D. in high-energy physics"
When will you _finish_? "I don't know.   Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh..."
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Inner Light (mild spoiler, keep refrigerated)
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:08:44 GMT
Reply-To: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: wolfone@sleepy.cc.utexas.edu

In:
>Article 12552 of rec.arts.startrek.current:
>From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
>Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
>Subject: Re: Explanation of Inner Light

Spoilers are in this so don't read if you hate being spoiled.


>Now for a not so serious nitpick:  how are we supposed to accept these
>people (the inhabitants of Kataan) as aliens?  They don't have any bumps
>on their foreheads!
Here's a theory I just thought of. Maybe the probe was programmed to substitute
the actual form of the people with something more familiar. In Picard's case,
human. I mean, being human in one moment and suddenly becoming a short, stumpy
tentacled creature might be so disorientating that it might ruin the illusion
of being on that world. Of course, not seeing Kataanans in their natural form
might ruin any chances of really understanding them, but that would ruin my
theory :(. Any commments? Lets start a flamewar over this....NOT! 

Either way, Picard can now make a bundle writing books. Oh damn, I forgot; no
money in the 24th century. Oh well.
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From: gil@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Wanted - hints on Startrek game
Reply-To: gil@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Lockheed
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 22:10:27 GMT

I have recently purchased the Startrek-25th Anniversary PC game for my son.  We have gotten
to the second scenario called Hijacked.  We have gotten into the Masada and have found the
tool in the transporter room.  We have also found the stuff (bits of metal, phaser welder, etc.)
in the corridor.  We have also gone into the brig where the hostages are being kept.

What now?

Please e-mail responses to  gil@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com  as I don't have much time
to read this news group.  If I have posted to the wrong news group, please don't flame me, just
tell me the appropriate news group to post to.

Thanks much.