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From: razer@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (The Artful Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Directed specificlly at Ben
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:12:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: tiamat.12APR92101221
Reply-To: razer@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Big Bright Green Pleasure Machines, Inc.
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Ben,

	Recently you posted several lines of profanity.  Was
this really nesicary?  Can you not state your dissatisfaction without 
falling to that level?
	I had been amused by some of your posts, but this is it.
Congradulations, you've just become the ONLY person in my kill file.

The Artful Dodger P65331727@CCIT.Arizona.Edu|Razer@Hacks.Arizona.EDU
"Can you imagine us years from today, sharing a park bench quietly?
  How terribly strange to be seventy!"
		-Paul Simon & Art Garfunkle "Old Friends" _Bookends_
From: PATZNER@rhea.cs.bonn.edu (Achim Patzner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Erosart
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:20:56 GMT
Reply-To: PATZNER@rhea.cs.bonn.edu
Followup-To: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: No, we're not organized yet
X-Warning: This is my own opinion!
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Apr3.092700.8531@mothost.mot.com> X10012@MACCVM.Corp.Mot.Com 
 (Armin Hall) asked:

>I wanted to find out if anyone has gone to Erosart in Rodgau Germany.
>I'd be interested in your experiences in dealing with them and their
>quality of their work and their jewelry.
>
>Thanks, Armin

I finally found somebody with experiences with Erosart: The couple who is
running that shop developed their piercing techniques themselves (whatever
that means; the one telling me about them wasn't very clear about that).
Their juwellery is including some quite strange things (eg. you can send
them a plaster cast of a -female- pubic region and they're sending it
back cast in gold) but seems to be quite expensive. All in all: There
are better piercers and cheaper goldsmiths.
I didn't try them myself but I trust that person.

Achim
From: jane@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: foot tattoos
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:40:06 GMT

I think the top of the foot is okay, since part of my ankle tat ends up on 
top of my foot.  HOWEVER, they said something about not being allowed to 
tattoo into the area around the sole of the feet, over at Eddie's Skin Works.
Something about healing problems and liability.  I know, because I asked 
about getting some work around the edge of my sole.  (I can believe the 
jittery-over-liability angle, knowing our society...)

I think it's a lot to do with the artist.  Feet are traditional for sailors'
tats.  I do know that I've seen a few foot tattoos.  However, some artists 
won't tattoo certain body areas---heads, faces, feet, genitals, etc.

  --Jilara   [jane@swdc.stratus.com]
  "Of course truth is stranger than fiction; fiction has to make sense."
   --Tom Clancy
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: gremlin@buhub.bradley.edu (Stephanie Udry)
Subject: temporary coverup of a tat
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 21:41:36 GMT

i was wondering....(forgot to put this in my earlier post)..i plan on 
getting a tattoo in black (and maybe a bit of blue) of a winding vine
type that curls around my ankle like a bracelet....

problem being that i act a lot with community theatre...many of my costumes
require flesh colored hose....

what would be a quick and easy way to cover this tat up?  bandaids?

thanks a lot

please e mail me AND post your response...our nn master is temporarily down

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: septum retainer
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:49:06 GMT

has anyone ever worn or known someone who's worn a septum retainer?
are they reasonably comfortable, easy to bend into a comfortable
shape? are they really completely out of sight, in normal conversation?
assuming one doesn't throw one's head back, nostrils flared :\8)

thank
tim
From: af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan S. Ferrency)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: re: pittsburgh piercers
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:44:30 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

There is a place called Slacker's on the South Side in Pittsburgh which
supposedly has a good piercer.  Also, I saw some advertisements in Tela
Ropa, a deadhead store in Oakland that said, "Exotic Piercings... (phone
number)" so there's something else to look into... I don't know if I'd
trust a piece of paper very much though...

-me
Xref: sparky rec.arts.bodyart:1209 alt.sex.bondage:8295
From: harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Master piercer's East Coast tour
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:51:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: tfs.1992Apr9.235125.3740
Organization: Black Leather Wings

Master piercer Raelyn Gallina is doing another one of her regular East
Coast tours.  Raelyn is one of the best piercers I know: totally
focused, accurate, professional, attentive, caring, and bloodthirsty
too.  She specializes in women's piercings but has always pierced men
above the waist and recently started doing men's genital piercings
too.  She also does the finest decorative cuttings I've ever seen, and
makes her own piercing jewelry (and very nice stuff, IMNSHO).  More
information is available in the article about her in the RE/Search
book *Modern Primitives*, but I don't remember what it says.


If anyone out there has been thinking of getting a piercing and has
held off because they don't know any competent piercers in their area,
I would seriously recommend they take advantage of this opportunity -
and tell her you heard about this through the net, and you may even
find she has a greeting waiting for you :-).


Raelyn's piercing schedule is as follows:


Dates         City           Establishment           Call for reservations
------------  -------------  ----------------------  ---------------------

4/24 - 4/26   Philadelphia                           215.732.6898
5/2           Boston         Hubba Hubba             617.492.9082
5/3                          Innovations in Leather  617.536.1546
5/16 - 5/17   NYC                                    212.222.9299


There is also a possibility she can set up appointments in western
Massachusetts sometime during this period, but I don't have a contact
number for that; anyone who thinks they may be interested in such an
appointment should either email me ASAP or call one of the numbers
listed above and leave a message.


Enjoy.


Harry Ugol
harryu@tfs.com

"Briarpatch household rule #6:  It's only a *little* apple - go ahead,
take a bite..."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: RE: TATS AND CHLORINE
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:37:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

caveat@emptier.Corp.Sun.COM (Agent Double-O Soul) writes...
(about the goddamned alcohol/tattooing question, aka "BEN'S CLAIM")
>This is a pile of doo-doo.  Karl's right.  While living in Hong Kong,
>I was
>tattooed while incredibly liquored-up.  I don't remember getting
>the tattoo, but what I woke up with is definately not blurred.
>In fact, it is quite crisp and clear.

Allow me, yet again, to practice the method of level-headed discussion I
have learned here on Usenet.

FUCK OFF AND DIE, YOU LYING COCK SUCKER.

Is that correct, or should I throw the word "SHIT" in, just for
prudence?
                                             
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 13:06:14 -0400 
From: "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: right / left conventions and history

 
>I also have see lots of new and old pictures / engravings of American
>Indians.  Also, of pirates.  I have noticed that they are depicted with
>earing on the RIGHT ear.  So!  What's the deal here?
 
Who's to say that the native americans and pirates were straight, anyway?

-me

Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: lrb@alex.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: PA Gauge
Organization: Robarts Research Institute, London Canada.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:40:19 GMT
Keywords: n

>And you thought peeing was hard to aim with one ring in your dick?
>Oh yeah, can anybody tell me what gauge 3 12's and a 14 add up to?

All in the same PA?   respect. 'nuff said.

--
Lance R. Bailey  System/Network Manager         Robarts Research Institute
     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
            fax: 519.663.3789                   P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr.
            vox: 519.663.3787 ext. 4108         London, Canada N6A 5K8
         Gaelic: Tha me leatsa ma cheannaicheas tu mi. Thoir dhomh earbsa.
From: barb@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: WHO IS BEN SANSING AN
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:59:10 GMT
Reply-To: barb@lenny.esd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Apr10.201413.25495@tfs.com> harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol) writes:
>
>Mr. Sansing twice intimated that piercing jewelry is made of brass.
>[...]
>I suspect that if most people put brass in their body for any length
>of time they would suffer a severe allergic reaction.  I wouldn't be
>at all surprised to find the stuff is poisonous.
>
	Maybe it builds up in the body, like lead poisoning, and maybe
	it starts to erode the brain, and maybe the wearer starts to
	lose control of his thoughts and his perceptions of how people
	in the "real world" deal with each other, and...MAYBE THAT'S
	WHAT HAPPENED TO BEN!!! Poor Ben! I should have realized it
	had to be some medical problem that makes you behave the way you
	do. For a moment there, I suspected Tourette's syndrome, but
	I much prefer brass poisoning.
>
>Harry Ugol
>harryu@tfs.com
>

	-Barb
From: shea@ntmtv.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: N'Awlins peircers
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:26:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: nmtvs315.9204061626.AA01500


Does anybody know anyplace in New Orleans that does piercings?
Just boring ones, I'm just thinking of getting a couple in the
cartilage in my ear while I'm there.


thanks,


ray
From: af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan S. Ferrency)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: piercing and infections
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:46:49 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>Hello, does anyone know if having a cold or other infectious disease
>at the time of piercing increases the risk of infection in the pierce?
>Thanks muchly for any information you can give.

Also, does anyone know if a currently healing pierce or a recently
healed over failed pierce increases or decreases the chances (or time)
of another pierce healing well?


-me
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: RE: LEFT/RIGHT STANDARDS
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:49:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes
>But it does seem that, among men who have only one pierced ear,
>the vast majority are pierced on the left.  And it's probably
>safe to say that many of them chose to be pierced on the left
>because of a widespread perception that right == gay...

Uh, yeah... that's what I'd heard (and noticed) too, until some of my
gay friends showed up with pierced left ears, adamantly explaining that
'left = gay'.
  In either case, does that mean a person with both ears pierced is Bi?
If so, does than mean that 95% of women in America are going around
unconsciously signalling that they're bisexual?
  I think the whole thing is an urban myth, like the 'poodle in the
microwave' story...
From: razer@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (The Artful Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: foot tattoos
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:09:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: tiamat.12APR92110957
Reply-To: razer@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Big Bright Green Pleasure Machines, Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4

In article <1992Apr12.152824.15630@mercury.cair.du.edu>, tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes...
>In article <1992Apr12.022807.20721@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mlotocky@s.psych.uiuc.edu (MA Lotocky) writes:
>><hmmm, didn't see this posted yet, so I'm reposting...>
>>
>>Does anyone have any information regarding tattooing the
>>feet?  I'm interested in having one or both feet tattooed,
>>but when I was getting my last tattoo done on my ankle, the
>>artist made the comment that they (the studio) didn't like
>>to tattoo any lower down on the ankle than I was getting
>>my tattoo, or on the feet, because "the skin is really
>>different there and tattoos don't work out very well" (or
>>something very similar to that).  So, has anyone received
>>a foot tattoo?  Do they just age strangely or what?
> 
>i was also thinking of a tat for the top (instep) of my right foot.
>i notice the skin is very thin, quite close to bone with lots of tendons 
>also, since my feet are weird, my arch and instep being very high,
>shoes arean awkward fit; any probs with lots of friction?
>would it be better, say , to move up to the shin, or just above the ankle?
>if my leg were shaved for a tat, would hair still grow there normally?
>that would kinda look funny i htink.
> 
>>thanks.
>>Melanie
>too,
>tim

	Well, here's the (rather dim) light I have to shed on this:
When I was in the Navy, I knew several guys who had a chicken tattoo'd
on one instep, and a pig on the other.  (It's a navy superstition 
that such tat's will protect you from drowning).  The Tat's 
were in colour, and looked good.

The Artful Dodger P65331727@CCIT.Arizona.Edu|Razer@Hacks.Arizona.EDU
"Can you imagine us years from today, sharing a park bench quietly?
  How terribly strange to be seventy!"
		-Paul Simon & Art Garfunkle "Old Friends" _Bookends_
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu (Bromley, Jay W.)
Subject: RE: ANASTHETICS AND PIERC
Summary: look! 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Keywords: alright then, enough!
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:41:00 GMT

In article <494.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us>, ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) writes...
>The above paragraph emplos something known as "sarcasm". It may also be
>called "facetious". I have no doubt some users of this conference will
>find other words, primarily those "naughty" words their parents don't
>allow them to use at home.
> 
Hey Ben, I can't tell if this ongoing "you're a bunch of kids" thing
is sarcasm or not, help me out, eh?  (they don't have sarcasm where I
come from, so I can't tell unless I'm really concentrating)  By the way, 
though I post from an educational site, I'm out there in the "real" 
(reality is the only word in the English language which should always be 
put in quotes ;) ) world myself) world posting from my old school account.

>I see now what one of the attractions of Usenet is. There is,
>apparently, NO moderation of any of these conferences. It's a place
>where people can get away with saying FUCK and SHIT, right out in the
>open, and where they can insult each other freely. And, for some people,
>that's preferable to discussing a subject rationally. In many ways, it's
>kind of like a zoo.
> 
Sorry Ben, not to be antagonistic, but you are wrong.  Many of these
newsgroups are moderated.  Try reading news.newusers, it's got most of
the pertinent info about these groups.  What?  you can't say fuck and 
shit and insult people in the real world?  This is new to me. :-|  I'm
going back to school so I can say these words all I want.

>In conclusion, Bill, you're making a *FINE* impression of "what the
>average piercing enthusiast is like" with your cute "fuck off" type
>messages. It's coming across that "the average piercing enthusiast" is a
>hotheaded pain freak who can't discuss anything without getting pissed
>off when someone disagrees with him. Perhaps that's an image you like?
>
You're right!  I like pierces, I like pain (really, I do, this is not
that sarcasm thing), and things like this ongoing flamefest (it's not
a discussion) annoy me, so I am a freak.  Anywhere out of L.A. (or any
large city) I would probably be seen as such and castrated to prevent
the continuation of my freak species.
Regards, let's get this all behind us, please?

########################## Making time in a low rent highrise, no place
jay bromley, space cadet | to go downtown, crushing crucifixion, particles
jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu | aching, harmful descent, take a shot and hide
From: barb@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: A few questions
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:02:47 GMT
Reply-To: barb@lenny.esd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <92101.192653ASMJC@ASUACAD.BITNET> ASMJC@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>
>Why are nipples never tattooed?

   	OW OW OW OW OW OW OWWWWWWW!!!

	-Barb
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: RE: RE: TATS AND CHLORINE
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:33:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

>Ben, this is  the second time, you have implied that medical books
>are "above" the general population of rec.arts.bodyart. Look, most
>people on the usenet news are university educated, that's what
>happens when educational/research institutes create a network :)
> I for own work/put-up-with MDs on a daily basis. I was reading
>me mum's medical books at the age of 10. Already someone has requested
>that you dig up Gray's anatomy to show us the section on the nerves
>in the tongue, please do not ignore another request to back yourself
>up, it does nothing for your credibility.

First, the Gray's Anatomy section on the tongue is about four pages of
VERY small print. It contains a LOT of medical jargon that -
University-educated or not (and that generally doesn't mean anything but
that somebody's warmed a seat in a classroom for four years, not that
they've learned much OUTSIDE THEIR SPECIALITY) would have to be defined.
How about I get you the page numbers, and you can go look it up?

As for the "alcohol blurs tattoos" issue - various tattoo artists have
told me that over the years, as well as dermatologists and other folks.
There seems to be a bit of controversy about it or here. What kind of
"documentation" do you want? On this issue, I simply stated my knowledge
as had been told to me, in response to someone's question about what
damages tattoos. Immediately, this Parkinson weenie jumps my case.
Apparently, "credibility" is directly proportional to political
correctness, as it pertains to "body arts", so unless I renig all my
opinions, and go forth as an evangelist of "stick holes in yourself and
be FREE because pain and suffering is macho-cool" (or whatever), I'm
going to keep on getting blasted. Fine. Go for it.
                                             
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From: jeffery sumler <jsumler@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: TATS AND CHLORINE
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 01:09:15 -0500

Ben--

>Of course, I fully expect someone to respond to this and call me a liar.
>That is to be expected, from what I've seen on this conference so far.
>So be it.

Why would anyone call you a liar ?? Two guys get stoned at a party and
do a tongue piercing ?? Of course it's a mess, and it obviously wasn't
a particularly intelligent thing to do.
 
I suspect that part of the reason why you're drawing so much flack is
that you keep emphasizing the dangers of do-it-yourself piercing,
unskilled piercers, infected piercings etc. etc. 
This passage for example:
>  I have talked to a neurologist since my last few posts, and she said
>basically what you have said here. Increased sensitivity may result, if
>the pierce is done right (and taken care of while it heals), but if it's
>clumsily done or not sterilized or whatever, infection, loss of
>sensitivity, and what I've been generically calling "nerve damage" is
>going to be a good bet. If a penile piercing is done wrong, for
>instance, the results can include impotence (the penis won't get erect
>anymore). Scarring is another possible result (and scar tissue tends NOT
>to be very sensitive).

Since (presumably) anyone who reads and/or posts in this newsgroup is 
quite interested in tatooing, piercing, scarification, etc., we can
probably assume that they are well aware of the dangers involved in
unsafe piercing. To put it more bluntly, we already know about the
possible consequences of a bad penis pierce (to refer to your
statement above) etc. Likewise anyone involved in "bodyart" is, by 
necessity, intimately familiar with the vicissitudes of scar tissue. I
am being clear ?? Much of what seems to concern you is something that
most of the readers of this newsgroup began thinking about from the
earliest moments of their involvement in bodyart. I, for one, find
much of what you say old hat, and this recent flame war bores me silly
as well. I don't mean to say "We're pro's at this so don't bother
us"--just that many of the issues you've raised so far are . . .
elementary. Perhaps this sounds harsh--I did not intend it to.

Flames off all around, eh ?? Not a plea for peace, flames are just
dull, dull, dull. 

Jeff Sumler
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Subject: RE: TATS AND CHLORINE
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:57:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames)
writes...
>        I know I should not be answering this, as it has all the
>        value of finger-across-lips (Bibble-bibble-bibble), but
>it's
>        more fun than working, so...
>        Ben, you've missed something.  If you're mean to the fools,
>        that's not bad. But if you're mean to those of us who have
>a
>        clue, you make enemies. This is the fastest I've ever seen
>anyone alienate a whole newsgroup without being a Cramer
>        or a Kaldis.

[extraneous rantings omitted]

Goodness, I've "alienated a whole newsgroup". Gosh, now if I just knew
what the fuck a "newsgroup" was. Or an "article".

Do you have the FAQ deliniating the Official Party Line handy? Truly, I
need to read it. It must explain how any small opinion I might have is
immediately bombarded as:

>        This is utter horseshit. Get a clue. There's no direct
>        relationship between blurring and drunkenness at the time
>        one is tattooed.

I am told to "provide sources". Yet, YOU offer no sources for your
opinion. Obviously, since your opinion projects "tattoo care" as
something you never have to worry about, it will get more people
"involved", I guess. Yes, I see the point. Don't want to scare them off
when they might end up "true believers".

It was never my intention to "alienate a whole newsgroup". On RIME
(where I usually hang out), differences of opinion are NOT automatically
attacked. This "newsgroup" carries on like some dogmatic religious
organization (which shall remain nameless), complete with lots of
chip-laden shoulders and hearts-upon-sleeves.

Get a Life.
                                                                                                                            
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