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From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (gut feelings...)
Subject: Re: *** THE TORONTO BLUE JAYS ***
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:19:01 GMT

In <dk.703355930@alcor> dk@alcor.concordia.ca (dimitri k) writes:

>chuong@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (CHUONG  HAN HSING) writes:
>>
>>I'm curious to know which cities outside of Toronto have Blue Jay fans.
>>(Obviously none from Harvard University by the mail I'm getting)  Well all
>>you Jay fans, hope for the best, and may all other teams fall before Toronto.

>Well, I'm glad you asked... Though rare, they once roamed the streets
>of Montreal quite freely, but recent measures have put an end to that.
>Y'see, any suspected Jays fans---they can usually be rooted out by using 
>a variety of mating calls peculiar to the species, for example, "Oh, oh, 
>oh, I've got a pair of tickets to the Skydome, the World's Greatest 
>Entertainment Center," and "I managed to get some of the mud off of 
>Kelly Gruber's cleats and I'm keeping it in this hermetically-sealed 
>plastic bag, can you imagine?"---are stripped, tarred, pasted with the 
>logos of certain AL teams (the Twins' logo is particularly effective 
>this year), and then forced to watch videotapes of the most memorable 
>chokes in team history.  This is a remarkably humbling experience that not 
>only results in the fan's complete conversion to another team---after 
>the treatment, in fact, the fan is often puzzled and even disturbed by 
>his or her previous devotion to the Jays---but it also helps to keep 
>the streets relatively clean...

>dk

ah! a CLOCKWORK BLUE perhaps?


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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 19:00:55 EDT
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Injuries: Orioles

I didn't see this name in the posting of early season injuries but
here it goes, if you haven't heard it already:

GLENN DAVIS

is injured again.  Suffered back spasms after the first game.  Only word
so far is that he will not play at all during the current home stand and
will stay behind in Baltimore during the first road trip.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!


Dennis Shea
From: mike@pencom.com (Mike Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Schilling/Grimsley, Cormier
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:53:25 GMT
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Organization: Pencom Software, Austin, TX

In article <1992Apr4.141203.29281@cs.tulane.edu> eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu writes:
>	That's Butch Henry.  23 years old, right handed pitcher.  They got
>him from Cinci in the Doran deal.

I'm pretty sure that Butch is left-handed.

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From: skitchen@pica.army.mil (D. Scott Kitchen (CCAC) <skitchen>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Lenny Dykstra status?
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:03:45 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army ARDEC, Dover NJ

In article <92099.130031MKZ101@psuvm.psu.edu> MKZ101@psuvm.psu.edu (Matt Zika) writes:
>I was wondering if somebody could let me know the status on Lenny.  Did they
>have to put him in a cast or was it a rumor?  Is he on the DL?  What else
>could go wrong for poor Lenny and the Phillies?  Also, if there are any other
>Phillies fans around, can you please post the scores of the Phillies games
>with any interesting highlights.
>                                 Thanks a bunch.
>                                      Matt


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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Kevin Young-Pirate 3B of the Future?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:58:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.135442.4971@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) writes:
>Maybe I missed something, but I was under the impression Kevin
>Young was an outfielder.

Yeah, like the whole discussion on whether the Pirates should have signed
Steve Buechele to a 4 year deal when Kevin Young was waiting in the wings?
Young is a third baseman, though now that the Pirates *have* signed
Buechele to a 4 year deal, he'll probably play some other position in the
majors.  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com

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From: dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane)
Subject: Re: baseball quiz #1
Organization: Wayne State University Math Department, Detroit
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:47:13 GMT

In article <gdvhqpW00VIDIAsGQm@andrew.cmu.edu> Scott Michael White <sw36+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>BASEBALL QUIZ #1
>
>1.    WHO IS THE ONLY PLAYER TO HAVE PLAYED 500 GAMES FOR A TEAM IN EACH
>DIVISION?
>2.     WHO WAS THE 1983 AMERICAN LEAGUE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR?

Ron Kittle.

>3.      WHO PLAYED THE LONGEST TIME (MOST YEARS) IN A METS UNIFORM?
>4.       WHAT TEAM HAD THE BEST NATIONAL LEAGUE  REGULAR SEASON WINNING
>PERCENTAGE IN 1981?

Wasn't this when Cincinnati had a great record in the strike year, but
didn't win either the first or second half?

>5.       NAME 4 PLAYERS THAT HAVE BEEN ROOKIE OF THE YEAR UNDER MANAGER
>TONY LA RUSSA.

Walt Weiss, Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco, and Ron Kittle.
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Jody Reed bashing
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:45:41 GMT

In article <6APR199216570028@deimos.ucc.umass.edu> s5170748@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (THAN LEE) writes:
>304 on the road last year, best on the Sox.  It just strikes me that Reed
>is one hitter who does not have his stats inflated by Fenway.  Please correct
>me with the appropriate PROOF if I am wrong.

Reed batted .304/.362/.379 on the road last year, and .263/.336/.385 at
home last year.  He hit almost twice as many doubles at home as on the
road.  For his 5 year career, Reed is .288/.369/.372 on the road, and
.288/.366/.399 at home.  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: roberts@triton.unm.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Dukes update 4-14-92
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:29:18 GMT
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Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


The Dukes had Monday off.  On Tuesday night, they opened a four
game series at the Albuquerque Sports Stadium against the
Tacoma Tigers (AAA Oakland).  

Pedro Martinez started for the Dukes while Gavin Osteen (son of
Duke pitcing coach Claude Osteen) started for the Tigers.

Dave Anderson had a single in the bottom of the eighth to score
Brian Traxler and Jose Munoz to give the Dukes the lead and
the eventual victory by a score of 7-3.  

Martinez was not as sharp in his second outing as he was in
his first.  He went five innings, giving up three hits, 
one earned run, walked six, and struck out 5.

Osteen gave up four hits and three earned runs in 5 innings.

The Dukes play the second game of the series tonight.  The
matchup is Kip Gross for Albuquerque and Jeff Musselman
for the Tigers.

Robert

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From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Notes on Rangers/Mariners series
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:58:31 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

What a fine three days it's been to be a Mariner fan.
At least Dean Palmer's on my Rotisserie team.

Trivia: The M's announcers last night said that Palmer has a shot at
becoming only the second player ever to hit home runs in each of the
first four games of a season.  Question: who was the first?

Does Kevin Brown (Mariner version) get any special points in the 
BB DDD or JAckPAC for giving up a dinger to John Cangelosi last night?

The Rangers have now won 10 straight games in the Kingdome, which
is a team record for consecutive road wins against one team. 
Another trivia question: what's the all-time record? (I don't know
the answer to this one.) 


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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt M. Bose)
Subject: Ruth vs. Bichette
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 07:45:35 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico
Distribution: na


OK, OK, just kidding.  Can't you people take a JOKE???????

:)


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From: CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Ripken Streak (was: Re: What do the numbers mean?)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:47:52 EDT

In article <1992Apr15.214130.25884@Princeton.EDU>
niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
 
>
 
(stuff about Ripken consecutive game streak deleted)
 
>>Maybe we should start the Camden Yards Watch now: isn't Ripken about
>>three seasons away?
>
>Mid 1995.
>
     This is assuming, of course, that there is no strike between now
and then.  What a tragedy it would be if player-owner squabbles
ruined Ripken's chance to catch Gehrig.  (Well, not a tragedy like
someone dying before their time, or even losing a career to injury,
but in its own way a tragedy.)
 
Jeff
 
 
>>Ken Wolman   AT&T Bell Laboratories   (201)564-2866   ktw@hlwpk.att.com
>
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Cubs Win! Cubs Win! Cubs Win!
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:00:06 GMT

In article <kuid2vINNii5@aludra.usc.edu> dittrich@aludra.usc.edu (Matt Dittrich) writes:
>Seems to me he was touted as a HR man when he first came up to the majors.
>I think he hit quite a few HR's in the minors.  
>
>Stats, anyone?

Grace hit 15 HR at A-ball and 17 HR at AA, both in full seasons, at ages
22 and 23 respectively.
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From: bst@wang.com (Bruce Tannenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: DH Stats Question
Summary: How should I count this?
Keywords: Why? Why Not?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:14:09 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

A dumb question, but maybe one of you stat people can answer it for me.
If a pinch-hitter for a DH remains in the game at DH, and gets up again,
should the pinch-hit at-bat count in the cumulative DH stats???

Does anybody understand the question?

Usually when I do cumulative DH stats for players, when this situation
arises, I do not count the pinch-hit at-bat as a DH at-bat.  What do you (pl.)
think?

Dumb question #2: Does the GIDP stat include times when a player lines out,
and a runner on base can't get back in time?  What are the criteria for
GIDP????

Bruce
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From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Overshadowed By Fate Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Fielder will win the Triple Crown
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:32:50 GMT
Organization: Netsters who have met Sherri Nichols, Ltd.

x90townsen12@gw.wmich.edu writes:

[Regarding a newly 'slim' Cecil Fielder]

>> After dropping 20 pounds, he'll get a couple of leg hits every month 
>> and maybe even steal a base or two.

Hmmm.  That's about twelve extra hits over the course of a season.
Cecil may have dropped to mere Hrbekian proportions, but that small
amount of 'speed' he's gained is NOT going to give him 12 extra
singles, nor stretch 12 singles into doubles, or even three doubles
into triples.

>> Anyway, he'll hit .320 with 44 HR and 132 RBIs

I'll take that bet.  Here's a net.bet that he won't make 90% of ANY of
the listed numbers.  That's a .288 BA, 40 HR, and 119 RBI.  He won't
reach ANY of those plateaus.  Anyone else willing to stand on a table
at a local pub and sing "I'm a Little Teapot" if they lose that bet?

>Hey!  There are Tiger faithful out there!
>If anyone can ever win the triple crown agian, it'll be my man Cecil!

Right.   My money's on a different first baseman to do that, if it can
be done.  Goes by the name of Frank.

>Tigers are gonna rock in '92!

If, by rock, you mean plummet, then yes, perhaps you're right.

"It's on.  Follow For Now opens.  The tickets are purchased.  We're
 ready to roll for ten days."

"At 9:48 pm, you'll hear 'You are the one...'.  24 song set!  It's
 going to be fantastic.  None of the old songs have been cut, and
 they've added 'Lost in Germany', 'Black Flag', 'Chariot Song',
 'Silent Wind', 'Not Just For the Dead', and 'The World Around Me.'"



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From: franjion@spot.Colorado.EDU (FRANJIONE JOHN G)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Momentum
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:16:29 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

When watching a game on ESPN this, one announcer (Tommy Hutton, I
think) commented on the importance of keeping your opponent off the
scoreboard, especially immediately after your team has just scored to
take the lead.  I remember that Bob Montgomery used to stress this
also on TV38.  He attributed it to not wanting to lose momentum, or
something like that.

Has anybody ever studied this issue?  For example:

Current score is arbitrary.  Team A scores enough runs to take the
lead.  Then, in the *next* half inning, team B ties the score, or goes
ahead.

How often did this scenario occur?  What were team A and team B's
records?

I wouldn't expect to find any effect here, but I might be surprised.
Unfortunately, I don't have access to any of the data, so I can't do
the study myself.  If someone would kindly send me some line scores,
I'd be more than happy to do it.

John Franjione
franjion@rastro.colorado.edu
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Biased announcers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:07:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.210955.5426@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:
>Are Ken Harrelson and Tom Paciorek the only announcers on TV in the country
>that do such obnoxious things as:
>
>say "Yess!!!" (so professional, aren't they)
>say "He'll grab some bench" about twenty-seven times per game
>say "You can put it on the board" like I control the scoreboard...
>
>Don't just say that they're on an independent station (WGN, SportsChannel
>Chicago).  The ones on WTBS,KPLR, etc. are very professional and unbiased.
>
>We don't need cheerleaders, we want real announcers!

	Oh, like Caray and Santo???  Give it a rest.  The Cubs have had
	a succession of cheerleaders as announcers in my lifetime, including
	the likes of Brickhouse, Boudreau, Lloyd, Hamilton, Caray, and
	Santo.  The list is endless, really...
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From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson v Nolan Ryan -- Stat-head call to arms!
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:37:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <204924@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>averages out to about 4.5 wins per year, over 18 years.  Let's be conservative
>(again) and call it 50 wins in 18 years (I don't have 1991 numbers handy, but


That should of course be => 13 <= years, not 18.  Sorry about the typo; the
math stays about the same.

Final parting shot: I clearly remember 4 years ago, when The Keepers of the
Intangibles had all labelled Ryan as "A Loser", and were denying that he was
even worth signing, and indignant at the thought that he might someday darken
the door of Cooperstown.  What happened?

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From: "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: blue jays vs. red sox
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:59:10 EST
Reply-To: "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Nelson Lu writes

NL>Boy, 1 win, and you obnoxious Blue Jays fan sounds if you have the division
NL>knocked down.  I remember the A's fans from last year.  Guess what happened...

Can we start to gloat after 6 wins?

    STEPHEN
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From: hout@eastham.ma30.bull.com (dave hout)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Status of Rob Dibble?
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:43:43 GMT
Reply-To: hout@eastham.ma30.bull.com(dave hout)
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.


I heard recently that Dibble was a week ahead of schedule, which would have had him pitching in about
two weeks.  Is there any truth to that?  Thanks.

dave


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From: wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Brian Jordan and Jack Buck
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:00:42 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Apr9.140315.39175@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> grossman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Mike Grossman) writes:
>
>As he was up to bat for the first time in the majors, Jack Buck was
>describing how relaxed Jordan was, and how he was taking the new experience
>is stride. Buck said, "He's as cool as the other side of the pillow..."
>Wow. 
>
>It's hard to appreciate Buck if you don't listen to him day in, day out.
>I've been listening to him for the last fifteen years or so. He defines
>summer. He's the best...
>
I agree wholeheartedly!!  I really think he got a bum rap on CBS -- one
can really enjoy a radio game and learn some baseball when listening to
Buck.

Jeff    wayman@lamar.colostate.edu
From: stevet@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (stephen.e.turpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Scott Gleckel
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:38:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsc.1992Apr17.193819.18542
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

Does anyone have any info or stats on Scott Gleckel?  He used to play for
the Twins in the early 80's.  I saw him at a seminar last weekend and I 
was just curious.

Steve Turpin
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From: chee1l5@jetson.uh.edu (Sam Lane)
Subject: Gant's stolen base was stolen
Organization: Univ. of Houston, Dept. of Chem. Eng.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:56:16 GMT

In Sunday's Braves game vs the Giants, Ron Gant was stealing second and 
clearly beat the throw to the bag.  However, the momentum of his slide
carried him off the bag and he was tagged out.  As evidence of the fact
that he was originally safe, the umpire waited till he came off the bag and
was tagged to call him out.  In Monday's Houston Post, this play was 
counted as a caught stealing and no stolen base was awarded.

It seems to me that since he was originally safe at second, he should have 
gotten a stolen base.  What's the right call here ?

If he ends this year with 30+ HR's and only 29 SB, this could cost baseball 
its first ever 30-30 three-peat.

Sam 

How 'bout Prime Time's 4-4 performance(2 3B's,2B,1B) last night ?
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From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: ALL-Troublemaker Team  :)
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 20:34:22 GMT

In article <19920414104711SASCHO@mvs.sas.com> SASCHO <SASCHO@mvs.sas.com> writes:
>Ok, this is a joke, right? I'm having a dream, right? NOBODY actually
>compares Rickey (notice the spelling) "put some mustard on that hot-dog"
>Henderson with Nolan Ryan. The Rickey (notice the spelling) that sent
>a dozen balls for Nolan to autograph after Nolan struck him out for
>#5000, and Nolan happily signed them. Then when Nolan sent some balls
>for Rickey (notice the spelling), he sent Nolan a note stating that
>he doesn't do autographs.    Lots o' class.

Since when is class the most important attribute of an athlete? Since
when does it matter at all? 

I can give you a list of terrific ballplayers who from what little I 
know seem to be fine human beings and I can just as easily give you a 
list of great players who are world class jerks. Other than their wives 
and children, who cares what kind of a man these guys are? 

And even if it matters to you, it seems like a crazy way to compare 
two players.

I don't know if Henderson is twice the ballplayer that Ryan is. I
don't even know any good way of attacking that question. I *do*
know that Henderson is one of the best players of the last 20
years. And I also know that Ryan is a hell of a pitcher as well.
Who's better? I'd vote for Rickey, but I don't know any more
about this than any of you.

And the original poster is right. With the reputations these two
players have Ryan will have a much easier battle with the HOF
voters than Henderson will. I think it's a shame that they will
allow personalities to weigh their votes.



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