HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Erofeev,Beckett and the Christian tradition?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 13:47:49 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Jeffrey A. Del Col writes:

	As to whether Erofeev, Beckett or any other writer belongs in 
	a Christian tradition, whatever that means, I think Empson is 
	a helpful antidote to such thinking.

	And also keep in mind what Tsvetaeva said  ( and this time I 
	KNOW it's from her work!!)

		In this most Christian of worlds
		The poet's a Jew.

Excellent! I am reminded of the way that Elizabeth Barrett referred to
herself as The Portuguee -- which, in the England of her time, meant
dago, low caste.

							Fido
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:19793 talk.philosophy.misc:2366
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re: Property Rights
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:44:54 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Nov6.152609.28036@news.eng.convex.com>, cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:
> In article <13050@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> >In article <w=9pd9q@lynx.unm.edu>, rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires) writes:
# ## 	In one class, my teacher thought that the Nuremburg trials
# ## 	were a mistake; the perps should have been tried, not for
# ## 	Crimes Against Humanity, but for breaking the laws of the
# ## 	specific countries involved.
# #
# #This would have presented some serious problems, because many
# #of the crimes against humanity involved were completely legal.
# #For example, the slave labor and extermination in Germany broke 
# #no German laws.
# 
# To the best of my recollection, Weimar Germany had laws against murder
# (and, I'll wager, unlawful detention). Even under the Nazis, there were

Yes, but one of the provisions of the Weimar Republic Constituion 
gave the President nearly unlimited authority to protect against disorder.
This was the legal basis for the powers assumed by Hitler.

# laws against that sort of thing. Now, you may argue that the legal process
# was altered to permit the legal imprisonment and killing of certain people
# (and groups of people)--however, this abrogation of the legal process and
# of the laws was illegal under German law. This is precisely the legal

Not if the laws were changed.

# principle that was used to try war criminals by German courts since the end
# of the war. Among the people tried--and convicted--in Germany were the
# "people's judges" who levied illegal punishments.

I believe the basis under which all Nuremburg trials were held was that
the actions taken, even if not illegal under German law, were violations
of international law.  (My, what a narrow, Western, absolutist idea!)

# ## 	My own view is that nothing is inalienable, and any attempt
# ## 	to define inalienable rights rests on social constructs
# ## 	and agreement between men.
# 
# #What "social constructs and agreement[s]" give, "social constructs"
# #can take away.  If a society decides tomorrow that torture and
# #extermination of <pick a group# is part of the "social construct,"
# #who are you to say that they are wrong?
# 
# That's correct: the law itself must rest on justice, and justice is not a
# "social construct". 
# -- 
# Peter Cash   |       (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein)      |cash@convex.com

You have no future in this country, then.  Justice is being redefined
as whatever the people want.



-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
The Physician Assisted Death Initiative failed.  Term limits for Congressmen
passed.  If only we could have combined the two... two terms, and a doctor
does lethal injection...
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From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Subject: fake accents
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:12:56 GMT


tourf00@DMI.USherb.CA (Francis Tourillon <Tourfman>) writes:

>>>D'l'aut'c^ot'e c'est passionnant
>
>Premierement, vous allez me faire le plaisir de cesser de simuler les accents
>de notre belle langue.  Regardez la phrase ci-haut, c'est illisible!  Nous 
>sommes assez intelligents pour les deviner.
>Une apostrophe n'est pas un accent.

     I agree with this wholeheartedly and wish you well in stamping out
one particularly ugly species of Usenet idiocy.  One who reads a given
language knows perfectly well where the accents go; one who doesn't read
it will not be helped by fake accents.

                                              -- jf


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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Et in Arcadia ego
Keywords: A fine sipping lemonade, please, with 2 straws.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:18:26 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Ron Nadel writes:
>Francis Muir writes...
>
>>>	Don't forget Laphroaig.
>> 
>>Too clean for my palate. Its name is the best thing about it. Its
>>proper pronunciation seperates the boyyos from the bairns. I encourage 
>>"Lap Frog" which innuends a tame froggie on ones knee.
>> 
>
>To my taste, which definately runs to smokey malts, Laphroaig's name is
>not the ONLY good thing about it.  Although it has lost a little punch
>in the last say 5 years, it still is a delicious peaty scotch that stands
>up to a fine cigar, and is anything but tame.  I intend, someday, to visit
>that beautiful little hollow by the broad bay.
>
My drinking days were past faster than you can say "Hello, Mr Standard"
but what I remember of them is that smokey peaty malts were bilge. However,
the object of this post is that green-around-the-gills solecism of
Fido's: "innuends". Like Walt Whitman pretending to be Groucho.
Enough to drive someone back to drink.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> My bad.     
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From: escr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (elizabeth)
Subject: _MERCY_ by David L. Lindsey (& other police proceedurals?)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:14:08 GMT

I just finished reading MERCY by David L. Lindsey and it was absolutely
marvelous...The story, about a serial killer, was incredibly interesting
and the writing is exquisite.  After finishing it I realized that I really
like a good police proceedural, for example I also really enjoyed THE
SILENCE OF THE LAMBS.  I was wondering if anyone knows of any other books
that are police proceedurals ( I especially like ones about the FBI)?
I was also wondering if anyone has read any other Lindsey? The end paper
says that he's written 5 novels but it only lists one other, IN THE LAKE
OF THE MOON.  If anyone can give me information on any of this, I'd really
appreciate it...
Thanks
elizabeth ruby
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: A Literary Mr. Toad's Wild Ride
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:48:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

Further authors of extreme emotion:

Frank Herbert's favorite theme was of physiological or psychophysical
transformation under just those sorts of stresses.  Unfortunately, he
didn't bring them across emotionally very well, but I can recommend
UNDER PRESSURE (original title DRAGONS IN THE SEA).

Anything by Iain Banks.

Marion Zimmer Bradley's two Hastur books, THE HERITAGE OF HASTUR and
SHARRA'S EXILE were for me were literary Nantucket sleigh-rides
(better term for the idea than Mr. Toad, the Edwardian poop -- being
dragged in a dingy by an injured whale isn't ... safe).  She didn't
reach that height in anything else of hers I've read (which is too
much).

	Larry "More later" Hammer
--

LNH@physics.arizona.edu   \  In the deserts of the heart 
sometimes a Wombat         \ Let the healing fountains start  -- Auden
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From: chucks@uars2.acd.ucar.edu (Chuck Smythe)
Subject: Re: Torturing Politicals
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:41:30 GMT

In article <JMC.92Nov10061018@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:

>joke depends on the distance of the audience from actual cannibalism.
>However, does anyone know whether the judge really said to Albert
>Packer, "There were only six Democrats in Colorado, and you ate
                                           ^^^^^^^^
					Hinsdale County.
Either truth or deeply intrenched legend.

>five of them."?  And what about the Albert B. Packer dining room
>at some Government agency in Colorado?  NCAR?
					 ^^^^
Please.  The Packer Grill is in the University student union.  Revolting
rites there every spring- let your imagination run amok.

			Chuck Smythe





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From: posey@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (Edwin Posey)
Subject: "...a rose is a rose ..."
Keywords: gunz & roses
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:54:31 GMT

At the risk of raising the intellectual level of this chain:

"Lida Lee sat on a tack ...
"Lida Lee Rose"

(courtesty Burgess Meredith, the original music man)
From: drm@esl.com (Don McGregor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Torturing Politicals
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:13:09 GMT
Reply-To: drm@esl.com

In article <1doioqINN4at@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu  
(Ted B Samsel) writes:
> I recall that the name was ALFERD PACKER and the  dining room is
> on the UC Boulder campus.

I believe UC Boulder had an "Alfred Packer Days" event for some time.  One  
of the highlights was a raw hamburger eating contest.

--
Don McGregor | Life is like high school, only with money and guns.
drm@esl.com  |
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From: le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel)
Subject: Re: Accuracy in autobiography (was: GENIUS: Richard Feynman)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co. - Rye Canyon
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 22:03:06 GMT

In article <97489@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes...

>Isaac Newton's "shoulder of giants" comment was
>not just some clever act of credit sharing, but a genuine humility.

Newton may have had his "weaker" moments, but I don't think humility
chracterized him.  Whatever he may have meant by "shoulders of giants",
he certainly had no compunction about using the heads of colleagues.
Probably the only humble scientific genius of wide reknown was Darwin

Ron
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: The Eudaemonic Pie
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:17:50 GMT


gwr@hedonist-1.lanl.gov (Graham W. Redgrave) writes:

> I apologize for the public loss of control but not, 
> I should quickly add, for the message in the puke.

I love this line!!!

It would make a great .sig.

Mark (who has been and always shall be without a .sig)
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Torturing Politicals
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:34:12 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <JMC.92Nov10061018@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>, jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:
> In article <WARKENT.92Nov10123947@ltisun14.epfl.ch> warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne) writes:
#    Would you recite that poem to someone whose mother was eaten by
#    cannibals?  To someone whose mother, a victim of child abuse, was
#    eaten by cannibals after being raped by Genghis Khan's horde and
#    tortured to death by the Spanish Inquisition following her escape
#    from Dachau?  I think not.
#    --
#    Ken Warkentyne - warkent@ltisun.epfl.ch
# 		    Laboratoire de Teleinformatique, EPFL, Suisse.
# 
# Consider: "Apart from that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
# 
# Assuming that Mrs. Lincoln went to the theater many times before
# April 1865, this would have been an appropriate remark, or at
# least not offensive, before then.  Indeed the humor of the cannibal
# joke depends on the distance of the audience from actual cannibalism.
# However, does anyone know whether the judge really said to Albert
# Packer, "There were only six Democrats in Colorado, and you ate
# five of them."?  And what about the Albert B. Packer dining room
# at some Government agency in Colorado?  NCAR?
# --
# John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305

1. That's "Alferd B. Packer," not "Albert."

2. Not likely a judge would say that, since there were far more
than six Democrats in Colorado at the time.

3. I have read that the student body in the late 1960s at 
University of Colorado, Boulder, attempted to get the main
cafeteria renamed the "Alferd B. Packer Memorial Dining Room."
No evidence that they succeeded.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"Foxes prefer rabbits with short claws." -- Nadja Adolf
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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Property Rights (was re: Progress: The New Great Divide? (was Re: Cult)
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Nov2.030928.12486@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
	<JMC.92Nov1211338@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> <anand.721448494@cds705>
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:17:04

In article <anand.721448494@cds705> anand@Cadence.COM (Anand Bemra) writes:

   jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:

   [taking a stab at communism, socialism ]
   >The proposition that another system might work better just had a
   >very extensive trial and was found disastrous.  

   At this rate, John McCarthy would blame the Japanese if the
   Sun were not to rise in the east tomorrow. 
   Communism failed because of the bureaucratic, all encompassing 
   centripetal State and not because of lack of private property.

   anand

The lack of private property is related to the "all encompassing
centripetal State".  Note that communism didn't just fail in one
country; it failed in 16 with quite different histories.  I count
16 unless Anand wishes to claim that communism is succeeding in
some of those countries where it has not yet lost power.

     Daewoo has signed up to build a large plant for making 1.6
     million TV picture tubes annually in Hanoi, where workers
     cost $30 to $50 a month, vs. $1500 a month in South Korea.
      - Fortune, 1992 May 4, p110.

30 years ago, liberals were complaining about the multi-nationals
exploiting the low wage South Koreans.  Maybe the Vietnamese
will be making $1500 a month in another 30 years.  Do you really
think it will happen if communism retains power?

--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

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From: nickles@sage.cc.purdue.edu (john a nickles)
Subject: Re: A rose is a rose is a rose.
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:06:42 GMT

That noted Christmas carol: 
 "Lo, how a Rose e'er blooming"

John A. Nickles
From: gwr@hedonist-1.lanl.gov (Graham W. Redgrave)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: A Literary Mr. Toad's Wild Ride
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:26:08 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

(sometimes a Wombat) writes:
|> Further authors of extreme emotion:
|> 
|> Frank Herbert
[...]
|> Anything by Iain Banks.
|> 
|> Marion Zimmer Bradley's two Hastur books

William Goldman's _The_Marathon_Man_ thrilled and chilled me, though I don't
know if it's exactly a Nantucket sleigh ride ...

|> 	Larry "More later" Hammer
|> --
|> 
|> LNH@physics.arizona.edu   \  In the deserts of the heart 
|> sometimes a Wombat         \ Let the healing fountains start  -- Auden

Yers at work with little time for rabbid chatter,


-- 
Graham Redgrave    |    --  I don't speak for the government, 
gwr@life.lanl.gov  |        but I wish the government would speak for me ...  --
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: A Small Election-Eve Diversion [was: The Truth ac
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:26:10 GMT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <lfe0u6INNrir@news.bbn.com> 
ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer) writes:

>mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:

>>Francis Muir writes:

>>>Nichael Cramer writes:

NC:
>>>>[Fido has a hissy fit and Mark responds.]

FM:
>>>Miss Cramer has seriously misread my posting.

MT:
>> ... the interesting part of
>>this article is the "Miss" before Cramer.  I've been trying to figure
>>out if "Nichael" is a boy's name or a girl's name for a year and a half.

NC:
>I hope I will be forgiven a moment of self-indulgence here.  

Not for all the tea in China.

NC:
>I, for one, find it a little amusing [?? interesting? bewildering?] that
>there is any uncertainty on this issue.
>
>Anyway, as a brief exercise in the sociology of gender-based preconceptions
>(or whatever) I'd be interested in knowing what the net.consensus is as to
>the answer to Mark's implied query above.
>
>Excluded from the poll, of course, are those (few) net.oids whom I have met
>in person or who work with me (unless, of course, such meeting left you
>uncertain as to the correct answer ;).  Also, those who have other means of
>knowing the answer (e.g. via my postings on, say, misc.kids where I have
>refered directly to my spouse).

As is my wont, I vote for "none of the above".

MT:
>>I once asked Nichael, and got no response.  I should have known that
>>the usually wise and always knowledgable Fido would know.

NC:
>I should point out that Fido and I have never met.  So, in fact, his
>assumptions are as conjectural as the next.
>
>So, which is it:
>
>  ___ MS Nichael Cramer
>      or
>  ___ MR Nichael Cramer
>
>N
>
>P.S. The result of this poll are for purely informational purposes only.  I
>make no promises to be bound by its results.

Is there anyone, and I do mean *anyone*, who can think of a *good*
reason to care about the gender of the redoubtable Nichael Cramer?

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Un de mes plus grands plaisirs est de jurer Dieu quand je bande."
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From: orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke)
Subject: "Dickens" by Ackroyd
Keywords: mistress
Organization: Smith College, Northampton, MA, US
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:16:10 GMT

Peter Ackroyd suggests in his biography of Charles Dickens that 
Dickens may not have had a sexual relationship with his longtime 
paramour Ellen Ternan.  He mentions that others have assumed that 
of course their relationship was sexual.  A servant supposedly
said that "there were children."  But he finds the evidence 
unclear.   All their letters must have been destroyed.
	I would be interested to hear what other biographers have 
thought on this topic, if anyone out there knows.
	Incidentally, there are similarities between the 
Dickens-Ternan relationship and that between the poets in
"Possessions."  It may have been one source (among many) for 
Byatt.
From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Truth According to Mickie Medved
Summary: Torture as funny
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:27:39 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <6HgyTB1w164w@phsbbs.princeton.nj.us>, rachel@phsbbs.princeton.nj.us (Rachel M. Kadel) writes:
> > 
> 
> Or there's always Python's "the comfy chair."  (NOBODY expects the 
> Spanish Inquisition!)
>                                        Rachel M. Kadel
> 
> P.S.  But I do think that realistic description of torture would be 
> unfunny, and if it were funny, it would be sick and sad . . . and anyone 
> who saw in it pure humor would be likewise sick.


This is true - but sadly also a cultural thing.  David Letterman
once made a joke about Saudi Arabians "doing the wave at beheadings".
If you are in a culture that has public torture and executions,
you would find a great deal of satisfaction and even humor in them.
Reality is a lot sicker than fiction.

I remember a story from Casanova where people with apartments over
looking a public square would rent out their windows to high toned
people eager to witness a man torn limb from limb.  Casanova says
he got sick - the young men and women he was with enjoyed it.

marc colten
From: amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Advice to the World Weary
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:14:47 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

Mikhail Zeleny, l'autorite supr^eme dans l'art de s'eduire, cites:

       La femme est ce que l'on a trouv\'e de mieux pour remplasser
       l'homme quand on a la d\'eveine de ne pas \^etre p\'ederaste.
		--Boris Vian

Est-ce ceci correspond `a ton exp'erience ``Harvardienne''?  Voici une
petite chansson compos'ee par mon jumeau bien aim'e...



	J'SUIS SNOB


	Refrain 1

J'suis snob... J'suis snob
C'est vraiment l'seul d'efaut que j'gobe
C,a demande des mois d'turbin
C'est une vie de gal'erien
Mais quand j'sors avec Hildegarde
C'est toujours moi qu'on r'garde
J'suis snob... foutrement snob
Tous mes amis le sont, on est snob et c'est bon


	Couplet 1

Chemis's d'organdi
Chaussur's de z'ebu
Cravat' d'Italie
Et m'echant complet vermoulu
Un rubis au doigt
De pied* pas c,ui-l`a
Les ongles tout noirs
Et un tr`es joli p'tit mouchoir
J'vais au cin'ema
Voir les film su'edois
Et j'entre au bistro
Pour boir' du whisky `a gogo
J'ai pas mal au foie
Personn' fait plus c,a
J'ai un ulc`ere
C'est moins banal et plus cher


	Refrain 2

J'suis snob... J'suis snob
J'm'appell' Marko, mais on dit Bob
Je fais du ch'val tous les matins
Car j'ador' l'odeur du crottin
Je ne fr'equent' que des baronnes
Au nom comm'des trombones
J'suis snob... Excessiv'ment snob
Et quand je fair l'amour, c'est tout nu dand la cour


	Couplet 2

On se r'eunit
Avec les amis
Tous les vendredis
Pour fair' des snobisme-parties
Il y a du coca
On d'eteste c,a
Et du camembert
Qu'on mange `a la petit' cuiller
Mon appartement
Est vraiment charmant
J'me chauffe au diamant
On n'peut rien r^ever d'plus fumant
J'avais la t'el'e
Mais c,a m'ennuyait
Je l'ai r'tourn'ee
D'l'aut'c^ot'e c'est passionnant


	Refrain 3

J'suis snob... Ha! Ha!
J'suis ravag'e par ce microbe
J'ai des accident en Jaguar [E-type!]
Je pass' le mois d'ao^ut au plumard
C'est dans les p'tits d'etails comm'c,a
Que l'on est snob ou pas
J'suis snob... Encor plus snob que toute `a l'heure
Et quand je serai mort
J'veux un suair' de chez Dior!



Et Mikhail dit:

	And, finally, -- this one is for you, Marko:

		Le vrai h\'eros s'amuse tout seul.
			--Charles Baudelaire

Es-tu un habitu'e de la veuve-poignet?

Serviteur,

			--Marko de La Petite Riviere






-- 
Marko Amnell
amnell@klaava.helsinki.fi
Graduate Student in Philosophy
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: fake accents
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:44:52 GMT
Organization: The Phallogoceltric Cabal

In article <1992Nov9.231256.12432@athena.cs.uga.edu> 
fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller) writes:

>tourf00@DMI.USherb.CA (Francis Tourillon <Tourfman>) writes:

MA:
>>>>D'l'aut'c^ot'e c'est passionnant

FT:
>>Premierement, vous allez me faire le plaisir de cesser de simuler les accents
>>de notre belle langue.  Regardez la phrase ci-haut, c'est illisible!  Nous 
>>sommes assez intelligents pour les deviner.
>>Une apostrophe n'est pas un accent.

JPHF:
>     I agree with this wholeheartedly and wish you well in stamping out
>one particularly ugly species of Usenet idiocy.  One who reads a given
>language knows perfectly well where the accents go; one who doesn't read
>it will not be helped by fake accents.

Unlike Marko, I never resort to anything as odious as the use of fake
accents.  Run my Bison Ravi article through latex, and you will have a
most fine piece of copyright infringement, suitable for framing and
discreet display in your library.  If, on the other hand, you don't
have latex, what the fuck are you doing reading pornography in the
first place?

>                                              -- jf

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
" -- I shall speak bluntly, because life is short."
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