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From: yking@cs.ubc.ca (Yossarian Yggy King)
Subject: Re: Helmet Safety: any reliable evidence?
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:15:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.164118.20764@ccu.umanitoba.ca> feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
>Several Canadian provinces seem about to require bicyclists to wear
>approved helmets.  Aside from the civil liberties issues, the idea may
>be a good one -- certainly retailers will like it -- but I'd welcome
>something like scientific evidence that helmet wearing really does
>reduce death or serious injury.  So far the only non-anecdotal
>evidence I've encountered related exclusively to small kids.
>
>Anyone have, or know where I might otherwise find, statistical or
>other hard data on bicycle helmet safety?

I have a short clipping that a friend of mine who works in a hospital
(she's a physiotherapist) gave me ... I'm not sure what it's taken
from. It talks about a safety campaign being lauched by the Canadian
Medical Association and Sandoz Canada (?).
	A couple quotes:
	"The goals of the campaign are to generate awareness about
the importance of wearing bicycle helmets and to make helmets more
readily available to Canadians."
	"Head injuries can be far more serious than other injuries.
They cause 70 to 80 percent of bicycle-related deaths, are more likely
to result in serious injury and can lead to brain damage. Up to 85
percent of serious head injuries could be prevented by wearing bicycle
helmets. Cyclists who wear helmets are eight times less likely to
incur brain damage if they suffer head injuries."
	I don't know where the figures are taken from. There's also
a toll-free number listed to call for more information: 1-800-567-5511.
-- 
Yggy King	| "Outside of a dog, a book is a person's best friend;	
UBC Comp Sci	|     inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."
B.C., Canada	|		    --Groucho Marx
From: jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Another flame on Nashbar, & PLEASE help me with my hubs!
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:12:35 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Dear Rec.Bicycles:

	As you may remember, I recently purchased a new MTB wheelset from 
Nashbar.  I got the wheels last Friday.  The wheelset consists of Nashbar's 
own "Ultralite ATB Rim" and Shimano LX hubs.  The wheelset is part number
BW-DUA16-(32), with 32 spokes.  
	In general, I like the wheels.  I must note, however, that I have not
had the opportunity to use them yet, since I am *building* this MTB, and don't
have all the parts yet.  Some are on backorder from Nashbar and Performance
(oh dear!).  
	My problem is this:  on page 44 of catalog number 83, where the wheels
are listed, the description reads:  Rear hub width 135mm, Nashbar rear 130mm
width.  Since my new hubs are NOT Nashbar brand hubs, but SHIMANO, I expected
my rear hub spacing to be 135mm.  It turns out that they sent me a rear hub
with 130mm spacing.  Needless to say, AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
What I don't understand is that the listing for the separate hub says that it
has 135mm spacing also.  The quick-release skewer is also shorter.  I DIDN'T
EVEN KNOW THAT SHIMANO MADE MTB HUBS WITH 130mm SPACING!?!?!
	Is this worth me calling up Nashbar and making a fuss?  I feel like
I am the victim of false advertising.  
	It also turns out that a friend of mine has a LX hub on his bike with
135mm width, but he NEEDS a hub with 130mm spacing.  Since the hubs are the
same, I was thinking of just swapping axels and spacers with him.  The problem
is that I would have to re-true the wheels to center them.
	Is this more/less aggravation than complaning to Nashbar and sending
the rims back to them?  Incidentally, the front wheel is fine.
	I really feel cheated.  I USED to think that Nashbar was god-like.
I'm not so sure now.
	Please advise!
	I am going to call their customer service or technical center tomorrow
morning to see what they will say.  Wish me luck!

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From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Subject: Re: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:29:05 GMT

Theodore Chen writes

> by the way, where was this... california?

The incident (I almost typed 'accident' - but since it
wasn't, I didn't) occurred along Skyline Boulevard in
the SF Bay Area.  Skyline is a wonderful place for riding.
Two lanes, wide enough for bikes along the outside edge,
nearly no intersections, tall evergreens all around.
The motorcyclists also like to ride along there, with
it's sweeping, long easy curves.  It is at the top of
the coastal range, and is completely unlit.  To drive at
night along Skyline with lights turned off is in and of
itself criminal enough.  To cross the centerline of such
a road is unforgivable stupidity.

(I tend to like the motorcyclists along Skyline better
than the car drivers - they give you room, and are pretty
decent in general.  'Sides, its fun on Sunday mornings
at the general store to look at all the fancy motorbikes
that collect there.)

Scott Byer                                   NeXTMail: byer@adobe.com
Adobe Systems Incorporated               These are *my* opinions, and  
1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
Mountain View, CA 94039-7900             the opinions of my employer.
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From: RADDAMSW@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Are You a Bikaholic?
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:30:18 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool

You know you're a bikaholic when your car steering wheel cover is the same bar
tape you have on your bike bars!

Sriously though, I often find myself unconciously relaxing my arms and legs a
little whenever the car goes over any bumps in the road!

Steve (MadBritishMountainBikerAndMaterialsScientist)
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From: gmack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack)
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins - NOT a matter of taste
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:50:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.210121.7224@news.nd.edu> stukas@mbolo.cc.nd.edu (Jim Stukas) writes:
>> 
>I regretfully must inform you that it is NOT a matter of taste re: Barry  
>Tomkins.  He IS awful.  Sorry...
>
>  Signed,
>          Jim

Well, I agree that he is there for the "fluff", but I don't think he's 
awful!  But then what do I know.....I used to like Howard Cosell on
Monday Night Football.  To each his own.


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From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Car Mounts
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:09:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: keps.1992Jul24.050915.16444
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems

In article <1992Jul23.220643.18589@cs.yale.edu> black-michael@CS.YALE.EDU (Michael Black) writes:
>
>Regarding "Rola" roof racks for a Taurus: the latest Nashbar catalog
>has a clearance sale on these for $65.00. 
>
>This is not an endorsement (just a public service :-)).  I have no
>idea whether or not they are any good.  

Well I have one on my van, and used to have one on an RX-7 (but you
can't get a tandem in an RX-7). It is a beautiful rack, and when 
custom cut for your car, it is the best rack I have seen. (If you
order it for the Taurus, they will custom cut it)



-- 
Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             7 down, 5 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       
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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: LeMond is officially gone.
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:07:46 GMT

In article <9207212356.AA14592@micro>, chuang@micro (Michael Chuang) writes:
 > Ilana Stern (ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu) writes:
 > 
 > > I was peeved to see more column inches in today's _Boulder Daily Camera_
 > > devoted to Lemond's leaving France than to Hampsten's continued good
 > > performance.  
 > 
 > Good lord, even in Boulder they have this problem ?  In today's
 > Boston Globe the TdF article by Susan Bickelhaupt (? I don't have
 > the article with byline at hand, sorry)  devotes more space to
 > a description of Otto Jacome's clothing than to Hampsten's
 > performance and general race results combined.  And Susan B. consistently
 > refers to Gilbert Duclos-Lasalle as "Gilb Lasalle."  I may be wronging
 > the poor woman -- for all I know she's an ardent but sadly ignorant
 > cycling enthusiast -- but I get the impression that she drew the short
 > straw and was forced to cover that stupid bike race instead of writing
 > about something really important...

That's the one!  The byline said Susan Bickelhaupt, for the Camera -- so
I assumed she was local.  I guess she's Knight-Ridder or something.
I know bicycle racing is an unimportant sport which nobody is interested
in, but you'd think they'd make a big deal about the local angle
of things.  No dice.  

-- 
/\        Ilana Stern DoD#009 | Whoever first said, "Things are seldom as they 
  \_][    ilana@ncar.ucar.edu | seem," was wrong.  Things are usually as they
      \_______________________| seem.  Otherwise, they wouldn't seem that way.
From: budn@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bud Noren)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:42:57 GMT
Subject: Re: PowerBars in the US
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca (Anarchy for Peace) 

>Can someone there is the United States tell me how much Power Bars
>cost down there.  I'm from Canada where they are now banned and our
>local shop has just run out.  I will be going down to L.A. soon
>and plan on picking up a couple of boxes.

The typical retail for a single bar is $1.69.  If you look around a bit
you might get them for $1.25.  Mail order cost is usually about $26 per
box of 24 bars.  All in US$.

-Bud
From: rgo@druhi.att.com (Ron Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: mtb chainrings - which are the best?
Keywords: Onza Buzz Saw
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:24:01 GMT
Reply-To: r.g.olsen@att.com
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Denver CO

I've had the Onza Buzz Saw stainless-steel 24T and 34T chainrings
on my mountain bikes for two years now, and they show almost no
signs of wear; highly recommended.
Previous aluminum-alloy rings got trashed in a hurry.

The Onza 24T ring is $15.95 and the 34T (or 36T) ring is $21.95 at
Frankford Bicycle (800-621-3593 or 216-545-0392).

The SR/Sakae Ninja stainless-steel 24T ring is $11.95 at Frankford
and $12.50 at Nashbar; it probably would work as well as the Onza.

	Ron Olsen
	Boulder, Colorado
	r.g.olsen@att.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:47:04 GMT

awilliam@qucis.queensu.ca (Majik) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.223641.12099@zooid.guild.org> Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>>So you're telling me that I should spend ~$500 for a piece of ID that I would
>>only use to get into bars occasionally? I don't have a car, I can't afford a
>
>No no no no no... (according to my email I did not make myself clear.. I'll try 
>again). People should know HOW to drive. The best method of proving that you 
>know how to drive (when questioned) is by presenting a license. The original
>poster indicated that for him there was no need for a car, or likely wouldn't
>be a need for a car.. and thus people thought it nuts that he didn't have 
>a license.  I'm arguing that a license on it's own can be a good  thing. 
>
>If you were cycling along a rural road.. and stumbled upon a car with a driver
>who needs medical attention but is unable to drive (giving birth? food 
>poisoning? flu? sunstroke?). What do you do? (No the car does not have a
>cellular phone) Cycle to the nearest phone? BUT it's rural.. the nearest 
>phone could be miles away! The logical option is to drive to the nearest 
>phone bringing the passenger with you.

I'm too central in Toronto to be doing much cycling on "rural" roads, it's
hard enough to do the 30km or so to get where it's really rural from me, and 
then I have to think about coming back! It's not all that likely, really, and 
as an uneducated, fairly lowpaid person, I can't reasonable afford to learn
how to drive.

>(There are a lot of IF/WHEN/MAYBE assumptions here (remote, not life 
>threatening to move the victim etc.) But I'm over emphasizing my point 
>that you shouldn't purposfully limit your options. Don't NOT learn to 
>drive simply because you won't have a car for the next N years. 

I think that's a perfectly good reason why NOT to learn to drive. By the time
I DO get a car (probably a minimun of 5 years), I'm going to have forgotten
how to drive, and will have to learn all over again. 

To get back to the original argument about a sick person and using a
neighbour's car, I don't know my neighbours (I live in an apartment) and I'm
assuming that most of them don't even have cars, since there is no parking for
this building. As someone who lives right on Yonge St, I can step outside at
just about any time of day, and be guaranteed a taxi within about 5 min.

For me, a licence is just a very expensive piece of ID. Eventually (if I move,
or my living or income situation changes), I will get my license.

Gaea
gaea@zooid.guild.org 


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From: ejohnso@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Eric Johnson)
Subject: Re: Mandatory Helmet law in Ontario in 18 months.
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:21:14 GMT

In <1992Jul24.220157.28286@ccu.umanitoba.ca> feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:

>OK -- but what sort of evidence does the government offer to back the
>suggestion that helmet wearing benefits adult riders?

Are you kidding?  Look at the three accidents in Winnipeg in the last two weeks
that have left two dead and one poor guy massively brain damaged. Although
nothing much could have helped the last guy, who got run over by a 
tractor/trailer, the other two might be alive/less seriously 
injured had they been wearing helmets. Both suffered massive head injuries.
Or my step brother, who wasn't wearing a helmet when he lost it in the rain,
spent 3 months in a coma and is now brain injured.

Anecdotal, yes, but still no less tragic. If a helmet could have given
any one of them the least bit more of a  chance in their accidents, I say
make 'em mandatory. 
-- 
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	Eric Johnson	         |  Commit random acts of kindness
	ejohnso@ccu.umanitoba.ca |        	and
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From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: Aluminum's Lifespan
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:25:01 GMT

sk1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sandi Alexander Kwee) writes:
: Unlike the case with CrMo, steel, or titanium, the stress and strain
: placed on aluminum is additive -- meaning that every bunnyhop, bump, or
: fall continually weakens your Al frame until eventually it breaks.
: THis is different from the case of CrMo, steel, or Ti where if the
: stress is below a certain level, no structural damage is done.

Steels (inlcuding chromium/molybdenum alloy steels) do indeed exhibit a
fatigue limit, i.e.  a stress below which they will not suffer fatigue
failures.  However, it is highly unlikely that any reasonably light
weight steel frame operates under this limit at all times.  I doubt very
much that normal pedaling will cause sufficient stress to exceed the
fatigue limit of a steel frame, but hitting potholes, doing bunny hops,
and crashing will, I suspect, result in stresses beyond a steel frame's
fatigue limit.  In any case, I have seen many steel frames which have
broken due to fatigue failures, so I am quite certain that not all steel
frames operate below their fatigue limits at all times.

To the best of my knowledge, titanium and its alloys do not exhibit a
true fatigue limit.  In other words, these alloys have the same fatigue
behavior as aluminum alloys.  If anyone can point me to a reference
stating otherwise, I would be quite interested to read it, as my
references do not explicitly mention any of the now-common Al/Va
titanium alloys.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
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From: tp923021@fir.canberra.edu.au (Ben Elliston)
Subject: Amazing Stories
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:20:59 GMT

For those of you who may be reading this outside our city (Canberra),
this may prove an interesting story .. for those in Canberra, perhaps a
warning.

I was riding to a friend's house the other day, minding my own
business.. riding about a metre out from the curb (which I consider
about the least room I would like).

A car passed me and started beeping his horn at me.  I turned sideways
on the bike and gave him the usual routine - middle finger poised high,
and yelling "Up yours, Mr. Motorist!".  The funny thing was, that he
already had HIS middle finger standing tall, and was abusing me (in the
car with him was his wife and 3 year old daughter .. _fine_ example!).

However, instead of continuing on, like most busy people would, he
slowed down and stopped in front of me.  "Okay", I thought .. I'll
explain a few things to this ignoramous.  As he got out of his car (on
the right hand side, so I couldn't see him, except for his head), I
said, "Since when is it illegal to ride on the road?".  He didn't say
anthing, but proceeded around the back of his car, where I could now see
him .. armed with bloody nunchuckers!  "My God!", I thought!

I screamed, "What the HELL do you think you're doing!?!" .. and he
proceeded to yell some garbage back at me which I didn't even
comprehend.  I did catch the last sentence .. something about "Next
time" - to which I responded, "there won't be a next time" - and made my
way to the local police station.

This would have to be the most extravagant way known to man to harrass a
cyclist!

For those of you around Canberra, who I don't want to see this happen
to, the car involved was a 4 door cream coloured Ford Falcon sedan, with
the licence plate YTH-122.

Cheers,
%Ben%
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From: steve@mcnnet.UUCP (Steve Corso)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Looking for main address for Steven K. Roberts, N4RVE
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:30:03 GMT
Organization: MCN Computer Services, INC, Dearborn, MI

Subject says it all.

Thank you,
Steven J. Corso
sharkey.cc.umich.edu!mcnnet!steve
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From: raymond@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Eric A. Raymond)
Subject: Headset adjustment
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:18:45 GMT

Any comments on headset adjustment?  Perhaps its just me, but feeling
looseness in a headset is more subtle than on the hubs or bottom
bracket (binding on the other hand is nor problem).  How do you know
when it is "just right"?

Also, do you use one or two wrenches?  I saw someone do it with just
one wrench the other day.  Basically he locked the nuts together by
tightening the outer and loosening the inner a few times.  Is this
kosher?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,ott.general
From: meinel@aerospace.aero.org (Ed Meinel)
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:11:43 GMT

In article <1683177C8.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu 
(Michael Edelman) writes:
> I watched the finals of the Women's Road Race yesterday and....arrghh! Is
> *everything* going to be this bad? It's the MTV-ing of sport. All we see
> are selected highlights (selected by someone who is completely ignorant
> of cycling), set to pointless music.

You are being much too kind. NBC took what was an extremely exciting road 
race and made it incredibly boring. What I found most irritating was when 
the announcer would let the viewers know what was going to happen before 
it happened. For example, before each accident, the announcer would say 
something stupid like, "Racing in a tightly packed peloton can result in 
accidents, and the Olympics are no exception." Then, BOOM!, down goes a 
rider. 

What happened to teamwork in this race (except for the Australians -- way 
to go!)? Each time a US rider went down, none of her teammates dropped 
back to help. They were expected to ITT their way back to the peloton.

Ed (meinel@aerospace.aero.org)
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From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
Subject: Re: Mountain Co-op
Keywords: rain gear
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:20:15 GMT

I've used MEC for my bike-riding gear, but with only mixed results.
In particular, my Icefield II rain jacket, while virtually bomb-proof,
semi-breathable (let's be realistic), and handsome, has a hood far too
big for riding with any sort of peripheral vision, so one tends to
have that wet head look.
Suggestions?  I hear that in Britain special bicycling rain gear
exists.
-- 
Michael Feld                         | E-mail:  <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Dept. of Philosophy                  | FAX:     (204) 261-0021
University of Manitoba               | Voice:   (204) 474-9136
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada	                     
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