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From: rrgd50@email.sps.mot.com (Chris Terwilliger)
Subject: Re: Converting 49Mhz Toys to 6 meters
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Organization: Motorola
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:33:47 GMT

Ok, I bought one of these toys yesterday...and yes, they look at you
funny when you say you only want one...here's the printed specs:

Catalog Number: 60-4015
Price         : $9.95

Transmitter:
Frequency                         : 49.860 Mhz
Input Power                       : 77 mW
Osc. Dropout Voltage              : 5 V
Max. Modulation (before clipping) : 45%
Current Drain at No Modulation    : 36 mA

Receiver:
10 dB S/N Sensitivity             : 10 uV
S/N Ratio at 1 mV Input 15% Mod.  : 38 dB
Max. Output Power at 10 mV Input  : 35 mW
T.H.D. with 1 Khz 10% Mod at 1 mV : 5%
Overall Fidelity at -6 dB Point   : 600 Hz - 4000 Hz
Current Drain at No Signal        : 16 mA
Min. Operating Voltage            : 5 V
Call Output Power                 : 25 mW



* Chris Terwilliger, KB7PPT                rrgd50@email.sps.mot.com *
* Motorola                        "And now, the sequence of events, *
* 2100 E. Elliot Rd. EL374         in no particular order."         *
* Tempe, AZ  85284                                     - Dan Rather *
From: steuer@clam.rutgers.edu (robert Steuer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: MSR 2000, RC 96 and need help connecting Tone Panel
Date: 1 Jan 93 17:11:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Hi all, I run a 2m repeater with a Motorola MSR 2000 continuous duty
repeater that is controlled by an ACC RC 96 controller.  I have
ordered the ACC tone panel and ACC did not know how to connect it to
the MSR 2000.  I know the decode line has to come from the
discriminator, so could I just take a like from the Limiter/Receiver
and use that or could I cheat :-) and possibly just try to pull the PL
tone off of the audio that is already coming into the ACC controller.
For transmitted PL, I plan to take the tone and adjust the level and
connect it right with the transmitted audio in the ACC controller
going out to the MSR 2000 repeater.  Any help/ideas/suggestions would
be much appreciated.  Thank You and 73 !
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Robert Steuer               Internet: steuer@clam.rutgers.edu               |
| Rutgers University          Amateur Radio: KF2EK@N3FOA.#EPA.PA.USA.NA       |
| VHF Repeater System         Cherry Hill, NJ - KF2EK Repeater 145.370MHz     | 
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From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:29:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Switching diodes in RF paths in receivers.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

By the way, I did some crude experiments with using 1N4004 power supply 
diodes as PIN diodes some time ago.  They are manufactured using a similar
structure:  with the 1N4004's the intrinsic layer between the junction
is used to increase the voltage rating, but it still functions as a
pretty decent low-frequency PIN diode.  As a bonus, they can dissipate
a reasonable amount of power.

AL N1AL

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Online Repeater Directory! Watch For It!
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 09:59:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.144403.15398@ms.uky.edu> johnr@mik.uky.edu (John S. Roberts, Jr.) writes:
>
>Watch for software within the next several months which will contain all the  
>data from the ARRL and then allow you to map routes, get local listings, and  
>many other useful things!  What platform would you guys prefer (NT, windows,  
>dos)?

Why Unix of course silly man. If you must do fancy screens, use the
curses library, most of us have little time for fancy dan X windows
with their frilly lace curtains. 

Gary

-- 
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary      
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     | emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu
From: faunt@dirt.cisco.com (Doug Faunt N6TQS 415-688-8269)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Exploding Air Bags? Locking Anti-Lock Brakes?
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:49:11 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

And even if you were willing to take the risk of buying the Toyota,
you could use this a a bargaining point, or do this at the dealers
where you're not going to buy the vehicle, make your point, and still
get a Toyota.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: Alinco DJ580 DTMF/CTCSS HELP!!!
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:34:16

    Can someone out there help me understand the DTMF and CTCSS and Tone Squelch
    features on the new Alinco DJ580?
    Do all radios (other brands) use the "group format" (group A, B, etc)?
    Do other brands recieve the two-digit "coded message"? Only other DJ580s?
    Also, what is the main advantage of Tone Squelch over DTMF, or vice-versa?
    Can anyone explain the use of these features better for me?

The main advantage of tone squelch over DTMF is that it's out-of-band:
you don't have to listen to it (or have your receiver somehow mute it)
every time somebody transmits with it.

I don't know about brands other than Icom, but the DTMF paging in my
IC-P4AT uses a "group format" with 3-digit code numbers.  It sends XXX
* YYY where XXX is the station being sent to, YYY is the originatating
station, and there is an asterisk separating these.

Personally I wish there was a setting where the DTMF paging would just
keep the receiver squelched til it heard the appropriate 3-digit code,
then turn itself off.  That way someone wanting to page you would just
dial your code to unsquelch your receiver, then call you and carry on
a QSO in the usual way.  Afterwards, you would turn the DTMF squelch
back on manually.

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 07:37:01 GMT

In article <n1317t@ofa123.fidonet.org> Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>  feustel@netcom.com
>    (David Feustel) sez:
>
> > Does this proposed change have any impact on HAMS in the United
> > States?
>
>   I think the biggest threat to 430 is what's already happening to it
>here in southern California. This is probably the densest place,
>repeater wise, on 430 anywhere in the world, but from all those
>repeaters, I can olny hit one open one from my house (the entire area
>has about six) and there's only one simplex freq. The rest has all
>been privatised by hams who wanted "private" systems or were looking
>to make a buck off of the ham bands. Sure, there are plenty of
>repeaters that I can use, for $15 a month.  Someday I'm afraid that
>the FCC will notice this and think "Why not give this band to the real
>businesses?" and it will be gone.
>   I, for one, won't miss it since I can't use it anyway.  Is it this
>way elsewhere in the country?
I've never heard of an 'access fee' for repeaters. Isn't their a prohibition
on making money off of ham operations (I know that on-air transactions
of business were against the rules, but a fee for repeater use?  At the
very least that IMHO sounds a bit unethical.

Simon
From: chandler@beagle.UUCP (Jim Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
Date: 28 Dec 92 01:06:37 GMT
Organization: Total and Complete Disorganization

jreese@NeoSoft.com (Jim Reese) writes:
> 
> If you want a free repeater, put one on yourself. 

Working on it.  I have talked to several repeater owners about such a
venture and am slowly acquiring what it needed.  It is not an inexpensive
proposition but neither is putting together a computer bbs for others use.
I'm not against charging a small fee to help offset cost but $15/month is
a little high.  Every hobby has its expenses.  I support 3 repeaters that I
use in the local area.

While I'm on the subject, is there anyone out there with suggestions for a
1.2 GHz repeater system?  Also, I would like to here with anyone who has an
S-Com controller.
------------
Jim Chandler, KD6IRV
jwc@sactoh0.sac.ca.us
sactoh0!beagle!chandler
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.info,rec.answers,news.answers
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 11 Meters
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:15:50 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
X-Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
X-Witty-Saying: "Mobius strip - see other side for instructions"

In article <randall.725765073@seashore>,
    randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:

| Australia's 11 meter frequencies, modes, and output power are the
| same as for CB in the USA.   It is a CB band there and in the USA.

Where do think Australian CB's come from?  Same place that supplies
the Americans...  Mind you, there was a fiasco over 23/18/40 channels;
the Govt of the day seemed to have been pressured by many groups, and
came up with incompatible band plans every year or so...

Oh, and CB callsigns are required, and renewed (NOT free) each year.

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: mgsail@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (goldstein,marvin)
Subject: Re: HF PHONE NETS: Any compiled list of 'em?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 20:49:59 GMT
Keywords: HF, PHONE, NET

In article <1ha0s2INN8ki@transfer.stratus.com> tjm@jester.hw.stratus.com (Tim McNamara) writes:
>
>	I was wondering if anyone had compiled a list of the
>	various NETS that take place on the HF PHONE bands
>	i.e.  "The Astronomy Net"  Monday nites at xx:xx on xx.xx Mhz.
>
>	Thanks & Happy Holidays!
>
>73's,
>Tim
>--
>Tim McNamara  -  KC1LM                  Send lawyers, guns, and money.
>tjm@jester.hw.stratus.com
>Stratus Computer Corp.                               __|__
>Hardware Engineer                             x------O(o)O------x

There is a publication that compiles a list by time, day and frequency.
I'll put it on the net tomorrow unless someone else has the particulars today.
Marv
N2OWL
From: rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Proposal ....
Date: 2 Jan 93 18:25:05 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

rc@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov (Robert Carpenter) writes:
>
>Based on the sad stories of people waiting months to receive their ticket
>from Gettysburg, maybe we need a "sig" for them.
>
>Back during WW II, when station licenses and calls weren't being issued,
>people who passed the ham operator's exam (and got THAT ticket) would call
>themselves  "Joe Newby, LSPH"  (Licensed Since Pearl Harbor).
>   (Today, unlike the 40s, ham operator and station licenses are automatically
>    issued together.)
>
>What should the "waiters" be called today?
>    PNAW = Passed Novice And Waiting
>    PTAW = Passed Tech And Waiting
>    NWFG = Novice Waiting For Gettysburg
>    TWFG = Tech Waiting For Gettysburg
>    IPTJB8W = I Passed the Tech in January and it's Been 8 Weeks
>	etc.
>
>73,  Bob  W3OTC

How 'bout Nocode, temporary KT, 

-- Dan  / N0KFB

Remember: " Buffalo never Oink " Seen on a South Dakota travel brocure.
Advertisment: Try the Railway Post Office , a railfan BBS ! (612) 377-2197.
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: adam@vermont.nynexst.com (Adam Epstein)
Subject: Wideband Rx Antenna Info Wanted
Originator: adam@vermont
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 20:49:20 GMT



  A friend is shopping for a wideband receive antenna.  He's familiar
with the discone but he's interested in learning about other available
designs.  For instance, there are apparently several "active" antennae
offered by Diamond, Comet, and Austin.  (I assume that the term
"active" implies a preamp).  If you have suggestions regarding these
or other wideband receive antennae, he'd really appreciate hearing
what you have to say.  Email to me (adam@nynexst.com) and I'll forward
your comments.

 -Thanx
  -Adam (N2DHH)
From: fletcher@moho.uwyo.EDU (Walter Reid Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: cost of maintaining/operating repeaters (was 430mhz under...)
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:13:00 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

From previous post:

>A ha.  I see I've found the hidden cost of amateur radio repeaters.  $2000
>a year in site rental fees?  Isn't there an exemption for amateur radio
>since it's non-profit?

No, there is not an exemption.  And there shouldn't necessarily be.  If a
commercial communications company operates a site on a mountain top to sell
use of their systems, and sell space for other communications systems, then
they should not be made to take a loss simply because a hosted service is
part 97.

In my area one provider allows hams in for free because the owner is also
a ham.  When another PAYING customer comes in and needs a specific spot on
the tower for antennas, and ham antennas occupy the spot, the ham antennas
get moved, usually lower down.  This IS reasonable.  The PAYING customers
pay for the site expenses.  The PAYING customers also (thankfully) don't
complain that the hams are getting a free ride at their expense.

There are also sites in my area that charge everyone the same rate and the
rate is high.  That is also fair.  It's the commercial company's site, after
all.

The U. S. Forest service (not the owner) charges me a $90 flat rate for my
electronic use permit.  That is much less than for the rest of the site
occupants.  It's the Forest Service's real estate and their policy.  If you
don't like that, maybe you should go try the BLM.  I don't think they
realize what their land is worth, yet.

Reid,                                                449.075-  or  147.015+
WB7CJO,                                   wb7cjo@n7mmc.wy    ampr:44.86.0.1
                                                     fletcher@moho.uwyo.edu

From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:54:30 GMT
Subject: Re: RE: writing out -- --- .-. ... . in order to pass your exam
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, ham@wam.umd.edu (Scott Richard Rosenfeld) writes:

>One must COPY the code.  I used to think that writing down dots and dashes
>was OK.  After some discussion, I realized that this is not actually "Compre-
>hension."  People don't copy like this on the air, nor is it feasible.  
>Writing down dots & dashes I can probably do 40 wpm, but only later can I
>go back and figure it out...

Take my word for it, there's no way you could write down the dots and
dashes at 40 wpm.  I practiced for months to learn how to write fast
enough to get my 40 wpm sticker from W1AW.  Writing dots and dashes is
much slower than writing letters.

By the way, in my experience as a test examiner, I have had several
people try to copy by writing down the dots/dashes.  None of them were
able to pass the test this way.  I think if you can't copy the normal 
way, you probably can't do it by adding another translation step.

AL N1AL
From: furuta@cs.umd.edu (Richard Furuta)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: License delays
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:45:05 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

A far better idea would be to implement a transfer from paper to electronic
form at the *VEC* level and to increase the testing fee as needed to pay for
the people needed to do the data entry.  This would result in no additional
time cost to the individual VE testing teams, would reduce the workload at
the FCC at the expense of increasing the workload at the VEC (who can
recover the needed costs), and would give some hope of retaining some checks
for data validity by giving the FCC a limited set of points of contact where
data requirements could be enforced.  There's no real reason why the entire
610 needs to be encoded, only those parts that the FCC is interested in
capturing in its database.

					--Rick
					  N3JGF
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: mladair@mtu.edu (MATTHEW L. ADAIR)
Subject: Need info on Henry Tempo S5
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:26:50 GMT

A friend of mine needs some info on a Henry radio that he was recently
given.  Model Tempo S5.
 
Will the radio run off of 12V?
What kind of charger is needed to charge the internal pack?
 (The pack needs to be replaced, we found a replacement through TNR which
  is 9.6V at 500mah)
Does anybody have instructions that we could get a copy of??
Is there a speaker/mic available for it? (Looks kind of like a 
  Motorola jack, small six pin)
Is Henry Radio still in business or maybe under a different name now?
 
Please reply via EMAIL to:    mladair@mtu.edu  or  mladair@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu
 
Many thanks in advance!     - Matt Adair

 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Subject: Alinco DJ580 DTMF/CTCSS HELP!!!
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:35:13 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT

Can someone out there help me understand the DTMF and CTCSS and Tone Squelch
features on the new Alinco DJ580?
Do all radios (other brands) use the "group format" (group A, B, etc)?
Do other brands recieve the two-digit "coded message"? Only other DJ580s?
Also, what is the main advantage of Tone Squelch over DTMF, or vice-versa?
Can anyone explain the use of these features better for me?
PLEASE! :)
Merry X-Mas to all!!!!!

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)
Subject: Re: 6 Meter Radio Shack HTs!
Organization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 19:54:59 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Gary Coffman (gary@ke4zv.uucp) wrote:
: The *toys* were AM, or at least the pair I have are. I have a pair of 
: Space Patrol 60-4004 HTs that came two to the blister pack for $19.95. 
: They are AM on 49.885 MHz. They have no volume control, no squelch, 
: just an on/off switch. The transmitter is crystal controlled, but the 
: receiver is a superregenative(!) design that radiates better than the 
: transmitter. However, they do pass packet with minor surgery. Range is 
: short, but will work between neighboring houses. These have a 1979 date 
: code stamped on them. I doubt the Shack still sells them. I seem to 
: recall that the FCC now requires FM modulation on 49 MHz, but I could
: be wrong.

I bought a pair of these last year at Target for $12.95.  So they're
still around.  

But if you're looking for an FM transmitter reciever pair, baby monitors 
work in the same range, and are FM.  The receiver design isn't as high 
in performance as the RS walkie talkies, just a single conversion to
455 kHz using a mc3361.

Mark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com
From: oler@rho.uleth.CA (Cary Oler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Daily Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for 21 December
Date: 22 Dec 92 11:15:20 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 356, 12/21/92
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NEUTN-MAX= +002%  @ 1110UT   NEUTN-MIN= -002%  @ 2305UT  NEUTN-AVG= -0.1%
  PCA-MAX= +0.1DB @ 2035UT     PCA-MIN= -0.5DB @ 1110UT    PCA-AVG= -0.0DB
BOUTF-MAX=55422NT @ 1525UT   BOUTF-MIN=55388NT @ 1825UT  BOUTF-AVG=55415NT
GOES7-MAX=P:+109NT@ 2140UT   GOES7-MIN=N:-022NT@ 1034UT  G7-AVG=+073,+030,+007
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    KFCST=0023 4210 0023 4210  27DAY-AP=013,013   27DAY-KP=2234 3332 2224 4222
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!!END-DATA!!
From: ccoprfm@prism.gatech.EDU (Monte Freeman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Yaesu FT-530
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:34:28 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


 Several days ago I posted a message asking for info on both the Alicno DJ-580
and the Yaesu FT-530. I was going to buy one or the other.

 Well, I bought the Yaesu. I like it so far, but haven't had a chance to play
with it much.

 I have heard that this radio has been out in Japan for quite some time. It is
rumored to have lots of hidden features that require either a hardware or 
software mod to get to. 

 So, anyone know anything definate on this? How about it across the pond?? Is
there anyone in Japan that reads this newsgroup that can help us out stateside?

   Happy Holidays,


-- 
Monte Freeman  --  Operations Department / Information Technology
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
Internet: ccoprfm@prism.gatech.edu
Bitnet:   ccoprfm@gitvm1.bitnet
From: BFXD13@UCVAX.ULSTER.AC.UK (Michael Tullett)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SIGNOFF
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:53:00 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

SIGNOFF
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10m open to NO-CODE-TECH?
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:53:08 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
X-Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
X-Witty-Saying: "Mobius strip - see other side for instructions"

In article <9212101622.AA14521@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>,
    PLAWS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU writes:

| I wondered where people got the idea that Technicians (as
| opposed to Tech Plus) get privileges below 6m.

Of course they have privileges below 6m.  It merely happens there is
no Amateur band between 30MHz and 50MHz...

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: bwilkins@iat.holonet.net (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
Organization: the cAVe group
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:12:24 GMT

Kirk.Smith@launchpad.unc.edu (Kirk Smith) writes:

: A ha.  I see I've found the hidden cost of amateur radio repeaters.  $2000
: a year in site rental fees?  Isn't there an exemption for amateur radio
: since it's non-profit? 

Yes $2000 is an exemption, the commercial boys at the same sites are
usually paying twice the price. $300.00 a month is not unusual in
california for a good high level site. There is only so much room in these
facilities. Environmental concerns make it difficult to establish
additional facilities on the better mountain-tops.

Ten users paying $15.00 barely covers costs....

: I know the local ham club is trying to get various
: companies (AT&T, etc) to donate site space based on their community
: service activities (RACES, etc).  

This is a good option. If you have commercially type accepted equipment,
not an amateur type mobile radio repeater. If it is RACES repeater you
should be able to get into the local county site. 

: For that much loot, it's a wonder anyone would bother putting up a ham
: repeater.  I'm not entirely sure I'd do it.  I'd be more likely to
: coordinate a business band freq and put a repeater on that, so I could
: order pizza on my autopatch.  :-)
: 
Bring lots of money. For the commercial coordinator and the site lord.

: -ks
: 
--
-- 
Bob Wilkins    n6fri          voice 440.250+ 100pl san francisco bay area
bwilkins@holonet.net          packet n6fri @ w6pw.#nocal.ca.us