From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:08:45 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <torban.723461608@csuvax1> torban@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Torban Bennett) writes:
>eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec1.130838.1788@msus1.msus.edu>, martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??) writes:
>>[QuoteStripping(tm) software by me!]
>> > The 3 day wait to purchase a gun is still IMO the mest route to go.  Anyone
>> > who needs a gun in quicker than 3 days should just cool off and wait a bit.

Unless, of course, you're the one being stalked, or trying to protect
your family/home/business in a riot...

Did you know that there is no requirement for any background check
on purchasers of firearms in waiting periods?  Including the Brady Bill.

Did you know that the NRA strongly endorses a system where every
purchaser's backgound is purchased on the spot?  (This system
is working in FLA & VIRGINIA...they even catch crooks with it!).

Waiting periods do nothing but infringe unpon our rights.  Oh, plus,
they perform potential damage by restricting your available methods
of self-protection when you need them most.  It doesn't matter if
you personnally don't think you'de ever buy a gun... someday you might
change your mind, but regardless, as a law-abiding and respectful
citizen, the government should have to tell YOU why you shouldn't
be able to walk out of a gun store with a purchase.

The constitution is subverted by waiting periods.  Remember that.

>> > 3 day wait + the computer check sounds like the optimum system.
>
>>Uh...  OK, that means that you have to plan your murders more than 3 days in
>>advance.

Get off it.  Criminals, and the last I checked, murderers were still
considered criminals do not purchase guns legally where they can be traced.
The only effect of gun control is to refuse protection to the law-abiding
and innocent.


>>I don't havek a gun, I don't intend to get one (xcept during military
>>service - still compulsory *sigh*), and I've not noticed a distinct hole in my
>>life which should be filled with the ability to murder at 50 paces...Is this an
>>American thing?  Am I the only person on the planet who DOESN'T want a gun and
>>who could, in fact,live a long and rewarding life without a lethal weapon by my
>>side?  (What a concept...)

Probably not, but those who want firearms to feel they are adequately
protecting themselves & family, those who enjoy target matches and/or hunting,
those who collect and trade firearms... they should not be deprived
of these constitutionally protected rights.

Don't forget this inescapable fact... no law will keep guns out of the
hands of those who do harm with them.

>
>You are not alone.  I've been arguing in this thread for a while (yeah, I
>know this is an amiga group, sorry.  But it advocacy afterall ;-)
>
>The US has probably the greatest gun freedom of any civilised country.
>They also have probably the greatest crime problem involving guns in any
>civilised country.

Sweden requires every house to have a sub-machine gun and enjoy low
crime rates.

England strongly retricts firearm ownership and suffers a terrible
crime rate.

View the crime rate in Washington D.C where it has been illegal to
buy a handgun for years.

No, you should look more to a media industry that milks violence for
all it's worth for some responsibility of why we have such a violent
society.  In hunters clubs, NRA meetings, you'll be hard-pressed
to find those who even advocate firearms forviolence.  That's because
they respect the law and the weapons.

But how many times can you see someone killed on TV tonight?  How
many violent acts, exploitation of women, exposure to drugs are our
youths barraged with?

And the president of NBC, Michael Gardner, stated in January of
1991 that we need to change our constitution to outlaw guns.  What
blatant hypocrisy!

They'll refuse to broadcast the Olympics shootin matches (one of
the oldest and most popular events), and yet will blast that
garbage on that screen all night.  It's phenomonally disgusting!

>
>Now is it just me jumping to conclusions, or does anyone see (or acknoledge)
>a link?

It's just you... jumping to conclusions.

A few years ago, the town of Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law
REQUIRING every home to have some kind of gun.  In the years since,
the crime rate of that town has dropped like a rock.

Another town in Illinios did the opposite... banned guns completely,
the result?  Their crime rate soared.

I'm not making a bit of this up... it is factual and verifyable.

Don't be short-sighted and jump to easy-fix conclusions.  There
are many elderly that rely on a firearm to protect themselves
in their home.  And firearms are used to PREVENT almost
a million crimes in America each year.  That's FBI statistics,
folks.

>
>The US is now in a catch 22.  The crimes with guns (etc) make people feel
>unsafe unless they too own a gun.  
>I can only speak for Australia, but I'm sure its the same in MANY other
>countries.  I'm not saying Aus doesn't have any crime, but when walking around
>late at night, being shot isn't top of the list of things to worry about.
>I don't feel the need to own a gun, and I don't consider it
>a restriction of my freedom if the government says only farmers can have
>guns.  I don't need one, I don't want one, I don't care, and frankly I'd
>feel a lot safer if most of the population is also kept from owning guns.

Well, I'm glad that America was established with less restrictive laws.
To me, that's oppressive.  If I obey the law, if I cause no one harm...
the government has no right to prevent me from protecting myself
with a firearm if that is what I deem necessary.

I am innocent until proven guilty in this country.  I have no
problem with my government keeping guns from felons... but
they better leave mine alone.

America was established to free us from such oppression.  It is
based on F-R-E-E-D-O-M.

>
>Torban Bennett -- torban@murdoch.edu.au ---->

Wake up.  Go out and communicate with some gun owners.