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From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 11 Sep 1992 22:48:35 -0400
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, New Jersey, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

In <34857@hoptoad.uucp> laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) writes:

>After extensive years of reading I am convinced that Hitler could very
>easily have won WW2 if he hadn't bothered to spend so much effort on 
>exterminating people in the light of his barbaric racial policies. 
>That's another scary thought.

It's also too bad that GHWB seems to be learning from that mistake.
After reports showed that people want to hear about the economy more
than "family values" he's talking more about the economy.

Maybe it would be useful to try to get GHWB to talk more about "family
values". :-)

Tonight's episode of "Dinosaurs" was all too real for me.  The entire
city was swayed away from "free renewable energy sources" by
"We-Say-So, Inc."'s commercials.  It was a blantant play on GHWB's
first election campaign and others similar fun fests.

I wonder how many people understood what they were saying.

Tom
-- 
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From: csjgp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jim Pierson)
Subject: Re: A Short History ofDiscrimination in the Military
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:12:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.142945.3782@auto-trol.com> katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
>balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
>: In article <34794@hoptoad.uucp>, laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) writes:
>: >When Clinton lifts the ban on Gays and Lesbians in the military, as
>: >promised, or whoever in 1995 or so ... lets us not forget to fight that
>: >those who got dishonorable discharges because they were Gay or Lesbian
>: >get reassigned honorable discharges.
>: >
>: >Laura    
>: 
>: Very few people who were discharged for homosexuality since 1980
>: were given dishonorables.  Most were given general discharges,
>: and since 1990 (or so) most are given honorables.  If a soldier
>: received a general discharge, they could apply for an honorable
>: six months later and usually received one.  
>: 
>: We need to make sure, though, that those who were discharged and
>: are still of age to re-enlist, are allowed to do so. 
>: 
>: 
>: Shawn, a veteran, who has seen too many good soldiers kicked out
>: for being queer.
>: 
>: 
>Shawn, why do you think those who were discharged before 1980 should 
>be ignored?  Are they somehow less important because they are older?
>It seems to me that it should be even more important to correct the
>gross injustice perpetrated against them. What Laura said is what
>we need to fight for, nothing less.
>
>
>Kathy

Kathy, I don't think Shawn had any intention of making any value
judgements.  I believe that Shawn is saying that although the military
has not lifted its ban, they are treating gays differently at the time
of their discharge, (i.e. gays are now getting general or honorable
discharges unless other reasons for a dishonorable exist.)  Around 1980
is when Shawn has noted the change occurring.

I can attest to this.  I myself am a gay veteran who was given a Chapter
13 discharge, (because of my being gay.)  My discharge in 1981 was
honorable.  Incidently, even then the rank and file did not always agree
with the policy; my company NCO's, my CO, and my Battalion Commander all
supported me.

Jim

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: sunglasses and hats
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:25:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.084820.16234@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.191037.16118@auto-trol.com> katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
> >Obmotss-relevance (sorta): I've heard that the act of sneezing is, 
> >physiologically speaking, similar to an orgasm. 
> 
> Nelson, late at night and not wanting to sleep just yet.

Try sneezing once or twice.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: *Welcome* to Cabal Talk
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:55:40 GMT

goldfarb@husc4.harvard.edu (Warren Goldfarb) shraybt:

>brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) shraybt:
>>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) shraybt:
>>
>>>In article <71892@apple.Apple.COM> 
>>>mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) shraybt:
>>
>>>> phleklempt
>>
>>>Oikh ken Matthew nit keyn yidish.
>>
>>Denk nit das er'z a yid.
>>

>Nu?  Trakhstu az *Arne* *Ole* *Adophson* iz a yid?

Neyn--az er'z a shaygetz, *un* a edel mensch.  Matthew iz *nit* edel, un *NIT*
a mensch.

--Brent (oych a filozof)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater )
Subject: Re: Garth Brooks on "Freedom of Choice"
Originator: kjc7435@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:00:58 GMT

Hooray for Garth!!  I've always liked his music, and now I know
why...as well as being an excellent singer/performer, he's not a
gaybasher!!!   PLEASE post your post to "rec.music.country.western".
I think it's important other people know this too....

Thanks from a lesbian who LOVES country, femme womyn, and the like...

K. Cater.
"kjc7435@ritvax.isc.rit.edu".

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: AB2601/3825
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:04:26 GMT

Well, I had called a while ago urging the gov to not only get
his butt in gear with our budget, but to also sign AB2601.  At
that time, the wonderfully cheerful male operator at the 916)
445-2841 number asked for my name.

Just now, I got off the phone asking our be-budgeted gov to
sign AB3825, too.  I called the 213) 897-0322 number this
time.  I got a sorta tired sounding male who didn't ask for my
name.

That got me wondering... do they keep tabs on these operators?
What if there are AFA types taking the calls.  I guess
assuming 10% g/l and 10% AFAs, they might cancel each other
out.

Oh well, let's hope Pete doesn't drop these balls again...
err, I meant bills. :)

-- 
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Tandon Corporation      609 Science Drive          Moorpark, CA  93021 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: "Without homosexuals, there would be no Hollywood"
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:35:53 GMT

In <1992Sep15.153036.24760@Princeton.EDU> Jay Lieske Jr <jay@wanda.princeton.edu> writes:

[...stuff deleted...]

>The fireworks really began when Whoopi made a comment about homophobia in
>the industry.  Liz got all flustered; then she blasted "Without
>homosexuals, there would be no Hollywood!"  Her point was that the
>creative aspects of Hollywood were always so dependent on the work of
>homosexuals.  Whoopi commented that Liz "probably just flipped a lot of
>toupees in this town."

My SO and I were watching this last night, and both of us were most
impressed with the show.  Bobby's main comment came during Liz's tirade
about Hollywood and her statement that "Rock's death finally forced
Hollywood to get its shit together":  "Oooh, Liz Taylor swore on national
TV".  I must say I was slightly surpirsed, given "broadcast standards"
and all that crap, but I guess that was why we were watching Whoopi's
show at 11:30 PM!

>--jay


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: accordion bashing
Originator: jns@rac2.wam.umd.edu
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:29:45 GMT

 
Dearest Arne Adolphson (adolphso@mizar.usc.edu),
caught somewhat off guard by hearing Jack Hamilton
confess to being a Gottschalk lover, decides to
vent his spleen on his very own family values:

> You *what*?!  *Zamfir*?  Oh, Jeff, and here I thought
> we'd patched up our differences (and isn't that what the
> marriage counselor said would be a natural outcome of
> adopting sweet little Johnny?).  

Well, we knew that there'd be rough times,
even with our love child in tow.  *If* you
remember, she did suggest that *you* could be
a *bit* more understanding.   Besides, it was
a gift [you don't think I'd actually buy it!].

> Speaking of whom, do you
> know what that little brat has been up to lately?  He's
> been treating our home as if it were a flophouse.  

I don't know quite what's gotten into your child.
I thought that the job would give him a new sense
of responsibility--we just need to give him scope
to express himself.  Last I heard he was chasing
a tattooed waiter.  I did get a postcard recently,
but since it's purpose seems to have been to disuade
me from getting my nipple pierced, I won't describe
it in detail.

> It's *your* turn to talk to him.

I'll do it.  I might think it was time to take
a belt to him, but I think he might enjoy it,
which wouldn't serve the purpose at all.

Jack Hamilton (jfh@netcom.com):

> > *I* like Gottschalk.  
> 
> Not you, too.  Oh my.

It's not enough, is it, that you have to attack
the undisputed Master of the Pan Pipes, but here
you are harping on the Liszt of New Orleans yet
again.  Care to take on Ketelbey?

And, since Jack almost asked for the answer,
here are the wind-machine pieces that come
to mind:

	F. Grofe: Grand Canyon Suite
	C. Debussy: La Mer
	M. Ravel: Daphnis et Chloe
	R. Strauss: An Alpine Symphony
	R. Strauss: Don Quixote
	R. Vaughan Williams: Sinfonia Antartica

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Brian had
used it a time or two also--but we don't hear
much of him *over* *here* [huh, Rog?].

[ObMotssFlame: What the *hell* are we doing
 talking about wind machines when the thread's
 about accordions?  Who CARES!  Wind machines 
 are just an affectation that play up to red-neck 
 stereotypes and give the musical community a bad 
 image anyway, not to mention that they keep 
 accordion lovers from supporting the arts.]

--jns
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: We homosexuals *can* have fun in bed!
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:31:27 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

The ability to have full non-sensical conversations in bed is a learned
reflex.  I don't know where your's came from but mine came from
having to make conversation with a mother who wanted me to get up at
6 o'clock in the f-ing morning to get to grade school while I wanted to
dream on of having sex with Anica who was they sexiest thing I had ever
seen and was, alas, in Catholic girls schools with me and wanted to
be best freinds with this horrid other girl...

I still dream of her.

At any rate, while in my first undergrad year I had friends who
knew of this proclivity of mine and who knew of another mutual
friend with the same behaviour.  They designed an experiment.
I don't know who phoned whom, but at any rate Ivor and I had
a good 20 minute phone call, each convinced that the other had phoned
him.  By the recconning of my friends, we discussed a great deal --
somewhere, unless it is recycled or tossed there is a record of it.
(They mades notes and used it to full extent in further parties.)

We recalled nothing 3 hours later when we met between classes.
Much ragging ensued.

My basic law is ``nothing until I have had the second slug of
caffeine is binding''.  I think that it is fine law to live by.
Much better than ``family values''.  

-- 
	C unions never strike; they only work to rule.

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: To Laura
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:51:42 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.


(me)
>AFFECTED BEHAVIOR IS NOT AN INHERENT PART OF THE PERSON'S NATURE.  
>"Affected" means intentional, deliberate, with the intent of impressing
>or showing off.  It's role-playing, pure and simple.

/(pentangl)
/Here you are making a judgement. You are saying that it is outside the 
/realm of possibility that a given set of human behaviour is natural.
/If you wish to continue this assertion, provide some evidence or references.
/This is the crux of your argument, and if it doen't stand, then the rest of
/your argument also falls. 

/Unless you can prove that nelly behaviour on the part of males is unnatural,
/you really aren't getting anywhere.


Behavior that has to be practiced is not natural.  Any behavior that is 
natural comes without practice or forethought; it just happens.

Proof, pure and simple.
From: bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Record trivia
Summary: 1 sided records
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:35:40 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <3=vnx1m.rich@netcom.com>, rich@netcom.com (Richard Poppen) writes:

> Even records with a blank side usually have a single, very widely
> spaced spiral groove on that side.  I imagine this is in order to
> handle the case where some dimwit stacks the record with the wrong side
> up.
> 

Actually, it is to keep the record from warping.  Casablanca (Village
People, Donna Summer, Kiss) pressed many of their 12" in the seventies
with only one song on one side.  Later, even when they included more
than one song (for example the VP "Y.M.C.A./Macho Man" 12"), both were
pressed on one side, the other side being again blank.  As it was
found that these records warped easily, a widely spaced groove on the
flip side was implemented.

Bil Gonzalez
bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu
From: mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Cops and 60 Minutes
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:41:08 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Sep15.001438.26765@microsoft.com>, bobsarv@microsoft.com
(Bob Sarver) wrote:

> cops.  Mike Wallace said, "But we've all seen the gay pride parades with
> the prancing and mincing around, people acting out roles and such".  The
> response was "But they're only a tiny minority of our community.  They
> don't represent the mainstream.  WE ARE the mainstream."
> 
> 
> It is so nice to have someone else state exactly what I have been 
> saying.

Now Robert - you must stop doing that.  Such shameless cabal-baiting...

Babal baiting?

Babar baiting?

No matter.

Even now, they are whipping out their instruments of torture.  Soon,
it shall be with a thousand formless extensions of flaccid flesh that 
you are beaten without mercy.  But you cheated.  It should be a thousand
and one.  JA is off galavanting about wherever it his that he
galavants, leaving only the rather sorry second string to take up your
challenge.

But seriously, one cannot expect the main stream to have much of a 
pressence here on soc.motss - which can best be thought of as a 
rather roily tributary (no, Nelson, roily is not a word, so don't
bother looking it up - and yes, perhaps if one thinks about it really
*hard*, one can *come* up with some connection to an orgasm.  Perhaps
a really violent, painful one that starts down in the toes and whips
up through the calf and thighs, snapping tendons as it goes.  Then,
passing over the shlong for a moment, it creases the torso, convulses
the arms, snaps the neck, then strikes - causing a boiling, foamy 
spew that leaves the subject weak and weary, gurgling like a babbling
brook - and no, Nelson, not as in *Shields*).

So one cannot very well expect sentiments such as 'we are the mainstream'
to strike much of a sympathetic chord, except perhaps amongst the
Castrati.  Jake?


Melmac
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Orson Scott Card
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:30:55 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

Does anyone have a copy of the article from Orson Scott Card? A friend
of mine has trouble believing what I told him, so I want to get a copy
of the original.
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From: buckmr@lib403.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: NEWSWEEK POLL: Plurality of Americans support GAY RIGHTS
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:22:20 GMT

entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence C Foard) writes:


>Where do we write them to thank them for finally noticing that queers
>exist? I'm sure they have already heard from the fundies who gave birth
>to cows after reading it.

Letters to the Editor, with the writer's name, address and daytime phone number,
 should be  sent to:
                        Letters Editor
                        NEWSWEEK
                        444 Madison Avenue
                        New York, NY 10022

Or faxed to:            212-350-4120

You may also phone NEWSWEEK's Telephone Mail Desk, 1-900-990-MAIL and voice your
comments. The cost is $1.95 for the first minute, $.95 each additional minute.
Calls and letters may be edited for space and clarity.

-- 
Ron Buckmire
Association To Save Madonna From Nuclear War [New York Chapter]
11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: lile@netcom.com (Lile Elam)
Subject: Re: At The Limoncelli Family Picnic (was: Publicity)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 18:01:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


It's interesting. Some of my friends who have never voted, are 
registering so that they can vote for Clinton.

:)

This, to me, is a good sign.

-lile


-- 

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From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:08:36 EST
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <1992Sep3.170857.2956@nevada.edu>, balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu 
   (Shawn Hicks) writes:
 
> Those at PDX.com missed my leather at the Eagle.  Somehow I doubt,
> though, that my leather will be any great deal in SF, let alone at
> the Fair.  After all, it isn't the leather, but what you put in it,
> that matters most. I do have a new piece, though, that seems to reveal
> a little more...

     That is truly a "servant to the cause", purchasing more clothes, in order
to wear less, and thereby show off more!

-- 
                                               "Librarian, Leather bound"
Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  (Univ of Toledo)           * * * * 
PO Box 12650                  Toledo OH  43606-0250            *   *   
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: "Lifestyle" (was Re: NEWSWEEK-GALLUP Poll on GAY RIGHTS in America)
Date: 11 Sep 92 05:38:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep11.053811.8117
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

(this is completely off the subject of the message I am replying to,
but then again that's what motss is for)

In article <farenebt.716170936@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>>I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what the hell is a
>>"homosexual lifestyle".

(for some reason, the term "homosexual lifestyle" doesn't bug me too
much. "choosing a homosexual lifestyle" pisses me off, as does "oh,
it's just a lifestyle", but the term "lifestyle" itself has useful
meaning for me..)

>In reality, it's EXACTLY the same as a "heterosexual lifestyle"
>except the people involved have their sexual relations with people
>of the same gender instead of the opposite one.

I don't agree with this. But as Bri says:

>there is no specific predisposition to a certain type of personality
>or risk-taking or anything else, based on sexual orientation.

This is probably true, when only the basic biological fact of "Sexual
orientation" is considered. The fact that I enjoy having a cock in my
ass doesn't really say much about my taste in clothes or coffee mugs.

But being homosexual in modern society means a lot more than the
simple fact of whether I like outies or innies. We all know the
various social consequences that come from being openly lesbigay - day
to day discrimination, feeling like being part of a small community
within the rest of society, probably not raising children, &c.

These social consequences very strongly define my personality.  They
define my personal relationships, my sense of self, even my academic
interests. They are a direct consequence of my being gay. They are me.

My "lifestyle" is different from the standard straight "lifestyle".
And I think the word "lifestyle" is a reasonably good first pass at
defining what I mean - the way I live my life.

I'm not afraid to say "my life is different from that of most straight
people". In fact, I'm rather glad for it.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/        It's a sky blue sky, the satellites are out tonight
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: daniel@nstn.ns.ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Re: Ry's Chicago business
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 10:57:40 GMT

In <BuI7sI.9qE@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>Y'all have nothing on me.  Everyone on this earth with a pierced organ
>must pay me royalties.

I had a roommate who had had his last name legally changed to yours.  He
took his collection of _Piercing Fans Quarterly_ with him when he moved
out, but they were so difficult to describe that I susbcribed for a year so
I'd have some on hand when I was talking about him and them.
--
Daniel MacKay					daniel@nstn.ns.ca
Homo habilis					Nova Scotia, Canada
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sunglasses and hats
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:10:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep8.161005.15294
Organization: insert anything here

amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>i, too, am a sun-sneezer.  well, any bright light.  on first
>exposure to bright light, i give two or three hearty sneezes,
>causing people who don't know me well to worry that i'm
>coming down with a cold or something.

	Me too metoo!!!!

	You mean I'm not the only one?

BBC
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