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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Re. Carolina Cyclone [was 'Vortex'] ..
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:17:38 GMT
Organization: Harris Controls
Originator: wjf@rs2


When I first rode Thunder Road back in 1979 they had the old
trains off of a Chicago Riverview coaster.  They were real big
and heavy and had thick padding like you wouldn't believe.  I
can't remember the name of the coaster they came from (I think
the name is in Roller Coaster Fever).  Anyway, with these trains
the coaster was fantastic.  Those first couple years that I had
ridden this coaster I think it was one of my favorite coasters. 
But then in the very early 80's they put on PTC's and the ride
hasn't been the save to me.  It has been quite awhile since I
have visited old Carowinds so I don't know how it is running now.
 I really like that park.  Lots of nice rides and a pretty place
with (usually) very few people.  I liked the Carolina Cyclone the
few times I rode it.  But it was new then.  It really wasn't a
bad steel coaster for an Arrow.  In all my years of being an ACE
member I cannot remember ACE ever holding a national event at
Carowinds.  Anyone remember one?  This year it was brought up at
the ACE Coaster Con but for some reason when it came time for a
vote, it was mistakenly left off of the list.  I don't know how
many ACEers would have voted for a Spring or Fall Conference at
Carowinds but it wasn't even given a chance.  It is definitely
within driving distance of me (along with SFOG and Miracle
Strip).  I fondly remember their foot long hot dogs with cole
slaw and their onion rings.  Both were very good back in the late
70's and early 80's.  What that park needs is another new wood
twister coaster to make it a big league park.

		Bill "looking of another wood twister" Figie
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Re: Socially Unacceptable Ride or Park names .. ??
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:38:17 GMT


In article <2264@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu>, muth@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wayne A Muth) writes:
|> 
|> Time to lighten up and put on your 'thinking caps' -> just a little
|> contest with no prizes ...
|> 
|> Over the years, there may have been some names of rides or names of
|> amusement parks which in today's society might definitely be
|> non-cool, uncouth, socially unacceptable, or whatever ...
|> 
|> I herein start the list with "Fairyland Park" [long since
|> departed] in Kansas City.  Get the idea ??  Definitely not a real
|> good name to attempt to market under today ...
|> 
|> Your names ???

Just a couple quick thoughts.  Back a long time ago there were many
parks called White City.  Mainly because of all the lights but think
about how it sounds today.

Several years ago the old Shockwave standup coaster when it was
Magic Mountain was supposed to be called Trauma-tron (I believe). 
This was a unique name (see one of my previous posts about unique
coaster names), but was thrown out by the park PR people because it
sounded too intimidating (at least this is the story I had heard).

Not that it has any social problems, but who would want to ride a
coaster called "Velvet Coaster".  Aren't coasters supposed to be
rough and tumble.

In Japan they have a corkscrew coaster that they call "Screw
Coaster".  I am not sure if this has sexual connotations or is just
because of how much it costs to ride (like the coaster at Camp
Snoopy - $2.00's get real).

	Bill "looks like I am going to Giant III" Figie
From: cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Hours for Six Flags Atlanta??
Date: 14 Sep 1992 22:55:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, markj@orl.mmc.com (Mark Jones) says:

>
>   I was also wondering, did Arrow design and build the Loch Ness Monster 
>at Busch Gardens the Old Country?  I just wanted to know.
>
>                           Thanks ahead for the info!
Yes, Nessie was built by Arrow, although I think it was under the
Arrow Development Inc, BBW was a Arrow-Huss, and Drachen Fire is a
Arrow Dynamics FWIW
-- 
Kevin Russell 	
				"Read my lips, no more inflammatory messages"
				me
From: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Kennywood's schedule?
Date: 12 Sep 1992 18:36:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Is Kennywood Park still open this year?  If so, could someone tell me what
their operating days and hours are for the remainder of this season?  

If they're still open, I might be able to take my first trip there... 
Thanks in advance.

-- 
_________________        David "Chuckie" Johnson        _________________
      "I'm       \     aq009@cleveland.freenet.edu     /   ...no one
   looking for    \       		              /  seems to have." 
    something...   \      "Diversity in Injury"      /     -Mudhoney
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From: xor@acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Betrand's Island
Keywords: Coaster name
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:05:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.202303.9266@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> smw@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (scott.wincklhofer) writes:
>	Having just returned form a trip to Dorney Park,  I was reminded
>of a park I used to attend as a child and was wondering if anyone else
>had been there, and more importantly, if they knew anything about
>the coaster which used to reside there.  The park was located on the shores
>of Lake Hopatcong, NJ and was called Betrand's Island.  The coaster was 
>wooden and quite old even when I was a child.  I'm afraid that is all I 
>remember of it, since I was no more than 12 when I was last there.  The park
>is closed now and I am unsure as to whether it was ever torn down or not.
>Anyway, thanks for any info you can provide, this was the first coaster I
>was ever on, and even though I despised it at the time, I am curious as to
>exactly what it was I rode.

Scott, I grew up in Andover, NJ...about 20-30 minutes away from Bertrand's
Island.  Like you, I was very young when I last visited it.  I don't recall
ever riding the coaster -- my mom thought it was too run-down, or somesuch.
However, my younger brother remembers riding it.  I drove back there a few
years ago, and the coaster is definitely not intact.  I don't think it was
completely torn down, because I recall seeing pieces of it (or at least
I was able to figure out where it used to be).  

According to "Roller Coaster Fever", the coaster was named Wild Cat,
and it was built in 1925 by PTC.  It was 80 feet high, with 1200 feet
of track.  There's a nice color photo of one of its drops -- the cars
had only three sides (open front), with a combined lap/knee bar.

By the way, "Roller Coaster Fever" is ISBN 0-931064-08-2, copyright 1979.
You can order it from ACE.
-- 
Joe Schwartz (xor@acm.rpi.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: KI's new-for-93 suspended coaster
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:31:40 GMT

>I'm wondering if anyone has any information at all on Kings Island's Arrow
>suspended coaster which is opening in 1993.  

The buzz I heard was the ride was going to be an EXACT copy of
the VORTEX Suspended at Canada's Wonderland.

I know, sounds bogus, but the VORTEX is so extremely popular,
I guess KECO figured "why fuss with a good thing?".


As always, time will tell...
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Date: Sat,  5 Sep 1992 17:56:34 -0400 
From: Tracy Fluharty <tf1g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Car & Driver

Hey Folks,

We just got the latest issue of Car & Driver and it has a "road test" of
the Magnum.  They do several funny tests and comparisons each year like
the mustang horse v. ford mustang, beretta gun v. Chevy beretta, etc. 
Anyway, they use all the typical car categories like speed, braking,
weight, etc as well as include a nice size article.  For a nice twist on
Coaster articles, get the September issue. (It's on new '93 cars).

Trace
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Size of letters
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:40:03 GMT


Tom,
Thanks for the information about my mail.  I never realized that
I might be causing others problems reading my posts.  I am using
an NDC terminal running X and I am using xrn.  It looks like my
letters may have been over 81 or 82 characters wide.  They all
look good to my so I never expected that others might have
problems due to a smaller number of characters they are able to
view.  So from now on, if this looks O.K. to you, I will shrink
my window size down so that I only can type 65 to 70 characters
before it automatically raps around.  In that way they should
look good to everyone.  I hope you didn't miss anything I was
saying and that it was only a little messed up.

	
Bill "bigger is not always better (same for coasters)" Figie
From: maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Betrand's Island
Summary: Some info.
Keywords: Coaster name
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:46:25 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <1992Sep4.202303.9266@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> smw@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (scott.wincklhofer) writes:
>Hey,
>	Having just returned form a trip to Dorney Park,  I was reminded
>of a park I used to attend as a child and was wondering if anyone else
>had been there, and more importantly, if they knew anything about
>the coaster which used to reside there.  The park was located on the shores
>of Lake Hopatcong, NJ and was called Betrand's Island.  The coaster was 
>wooden and quite old even when I was a child.  I'm afraid that is all I 
>remember of it, since I was no more than 12 when I was last there.  The park
>is closed now and I am unsure as to whether it was ever torn down or not.
>Anyway, thanks for any info you can provide, this was the first coaster I
>was ever on, and even though I despised it at the time, I am curious as to
>exactly what it was I rode.
>
For Scot and others out there,
	I believe that the coaster at Bertrands Island is now demolished.
The last I recall about it was it was featured in a couple of scenes in
Woody Allen's Purple Rose or Cairo movie (Bill Figie can check me on this).
And I vividly recall Coaster Mike Danshaw (now deceased) presenting an
extremely long slide presentation on this very coaster at the 1985? ACE
convention at Six Flags Over Georgia, I believe. There may have been reports
on this ride and park in old issues of RollerCoaster! magazine, but even
there I'm not sure. There was at one time a year or so ago a cumulative index
produced which covered all rides, stories and authors for RC! magazine; that
would make a good starting reference point. I know what special significance
anyone's first coaster ride holds; mine was on the Hunt's Pier Flyer coaster
which used to be on Hunt's Pier in Wildwood, New Jersey until just a few
years ago. My heart was in my throat when I saw the photos of the wrecking
ball making toothpicks of this great and unforgettable ride. As another side
note, the Flyer was one of the few remaining wooden coasters in North
America that still reside at the seaside. There are probably only enough
left to count on one hand, now. Gotta go, my tears are shorting out my
keyboard again!
Tom "I miss some of the old great woodies" Maglione
From: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: KI's new-for-93 suspended coaster
Date: 14 Sep 1992 21:25:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen) says:

>I've heard that the name is supposed to be Star Trek -- The Ride.

Geez, I hope not!  That'd be one of the worst names I could ever think of. 
I tend to doubt that it'll end up with that name, however, because it
wouldn't fit in with the Wild Animal Habitat theme of its section of the
park.  I sure hope they don't choose that name.

>Geoff ``Son of Bat was stupid, but it was better than that!'' Allen

Actually, kinda like that name (but with a "the": "Son of the Bat").  Son
of the Bat/S.O.B. sure sounds cool to me.  

(Of course, there's the very real possibility that they'll come up with
something better than either of those two names; anything other than "Star
Trek," please!)

S.O.B. in '93!  :-)
-- 
_________________         David "Buddy" Johnson         _________________
      "I'm       \     aq009@cleveland.freenet.edu     /   ...no one
   looking for    \       "The Beast is always        /  seems to have." 
    something...   \       lurking in ambush."       /     -Mudhoney
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: The Vortex
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:25:03 GMT

Rendell Bird writes:

>How many people out there in net.land have ridden TOGO, Intamin,
>*and/or* B&M stand-up roller coasters?

I've rode all 3 designs.

>a) How do B&M stand-ups compare to other companies stand-ups?

They're the best of the lot imho!  Smooth, fast, and exciting.
Good pacing, and I like  the train design -- not too restrictive.


>b) How do these two stand up against each other?

I, personally, like the IRON WOLF much better.  It's a
little rougher ride (it was their first coaster!), but
I like the layout much better.  The VORTEX seems short
in comparison.



my 0.02
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: cheri@decoy.uucp (24473-stead)
Subject: Re: Hours for Six Flags Atlanta??
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:31:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.140312.26314@iplmail.orl.mmc.com> markj@orl.mmc.com (Mark Jones) writes:
>Hi,
>   My wife and I will be on vacation the first week in October and
>will be stopping in Atlanta on our way to the mountains in North Carolina.
>I was wondering if anyone knew the operating hours of Six Flags over Georgia
>during that time period?   It has been about 7 years since I have been, and
>I am looking forward to the new coasters that they have installed since that
>time.
>

I'm going to be in Atlanta the first weekend in October.  According to my
AAA tourbook, SFoG is open weekends in October, so I'm going on Sunday, 10/4.
I'm looking forward to my first visit to the park (and yet another use out of
my SFGAdv pass!).

>   I was also wondering, did Arrow design and build the Loch Ness Monster 
>at Busch Gardens the Old Country?  I just wanted to know.
>
Yes.
>                           Thanks ahead for the info!
>
You're welcome!

-- Cheri
cheri@decoy.cc.bellcore.com
From: jimh@pongo.Eng.Sun.COM (jim hori)
Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin
Subject: Re: Calypso
Date: 11 Sep 1992 14:55:10 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world, rec, usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo

In article <32iVqB1w165w@flex.com> ternahan@flex.com (Philip Ternahan) writes:
>Pardon me if this is not appropriate here, but does any one know a 
>good source of information concerning Caribbean music such as the 
>old style calypsonians made like Sparrow, etc..  I am wondering if
>any publication covers that type of music.  Most of what I see locally

There is a magazine called The Beat that has a calypso/soca
expert among its contributors, Gene Scaramuzzo. Gene has compiled
calypso anthologies for both Shanachie and Rounder if I remember
correctly. While most of his writing is about T&T carnival and
modern soca, older calypso roots have also been explored. Take
a look towards the back of the magazine for a page which synopsizes
available back issues.



....
jimh@west.sun.com
From: jimh@pongo.Eng.Sun.COM (jim hori)
Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin
Subject: Re: Colombia
Date: 15 Sep 1992 14:49:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world, rec, usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo

In article <56088@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> jsi@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (John Ii) writes:
>I have a workmate who is going to Colombia soon and
>he has offered to bring back music from me.  Can any
>one recommend some good artist a.k.a. Joe Arroyo that
>he could pick up for me?

Joe records for the Discos Fuentes label. This label is like
the Motown of Colombia and features many great acts, most
backed by a cooking house band. My favorite is an ensemble
called Los Nemus Del Pacifico.



....
jimh@west.sun.com

Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin
From: randym@eskimo.celestial.com (Randall Moeller)
Subject: Wanted: King Sunny Ade
Keywords: King Sunny Ade, Zaire Choc!, african music
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:23:41 GMT


     Does anyone know where I can get a copy of King Sunny
Ade's album, "The Message"?  It was released on his Nigerian
"Sunny Alade" label in 1981.  Anyone with leads, please
post, or e-mail to "randym@eskimo.celestial.com."
     I saw KSA perform at Jazz Alley here in Seattle a few
weeks back, & he was in fine form indeed...
     A friend just sent me a CD called "African Connection
Volume 1: Zaire Choc!"  It's a French import on Celluloid,
& was apparently released ten years ago.  I can't praise this
CD too highly!  I've listened to it dozens of times, & the
groove gets stronger & better with each listening.  If you'd
like to hear it, post or e-mail.  (You probably won't be able
to find it in North America, although "Stern's Africa" at
Charing Cross in London sometimes has it -- my friend found
it at "fnac" in Paris, Rue de Rennes.  Zaire Choc! was well
worth the trouble it took to find, as I'm sure "The Message"
will be...)
Xref: sparky rec.music.afro-latin:584 ne.general:2526 rec.music.folk:6233 soc.culture.spain:3006
From: rmura@world.std.com (Ron Mura)
Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin,ne.general,rec.music.folk,soc.culture.spain
Subject: Joan Manuel Serrat to Play Boston
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:26:43 GMT
Organization: The World

The great Spanish singer and songwriter Joan Manuel Serrat will
play in Boston at the Berklee Performance Center on October 10.
Although he has recorded for many years, this is his first U.S.
tour.  Tickets at the box office and through TicketMaster
(617-931-2000).
-- 
- Ron Mura, Boston, Massachusetts              rmura@world.std.com
From: ternahan@flex.com (Philip Ternahan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin
Subject: Calypso
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:09:13 GMT
Organization: Flex Information Network [Hawaii] 808.531.3539

Pardon me if this is not appropriate here, but does any one know a 
good source of information concerning Caribbean music such as the 
old style calypsonians made like Sparrow, etc..  I am wondering if
any publication covers that type of music.  Most of what I see locally
is oriented towards Reggae.  Also would like any specialized sources
that might offer catalogs, etc.. /
Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin,rec.music.misc
From: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart)
Subject: Malavoi
Reply-To: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:26:06 GMT

Ok. I want to get to the bottom of this if it kills me. I hope somebody
out there can help.

I'm a great fan of the group Malavoi from Martinique. Unfortunately
the information on their CD's is often non-existent to the point of
not even including the year of release. Below I list the CD's I know
about, and I would be most grateful if anyone could tell me

1) the missing release-years
2) if I am missing any CD's
3) some more information about these guys, because I really don't know 
   anything about them at all.


MALAVOI DISCOGRAPHY:

-- "L'autre Style - 1975-1982" (Hibiscus Records/Coco Sounds, 1982?)
Definitely an 'early years' compilation. Not yet the typical Malavoi
sound, but more some standard, generic work, with some of the most off-key
fiddles you've ever heard. Highly enjoyable, though, in its own right.

-- "Malavoi" (SonoDisc, 1985?)
-- "Malavoi" (SonoDisc, 1986)
Still early Malavoi, not yet so polished and slick. These two CD's sound very 
much alike. The first one has a white front with an abstract painting on it,
the second one has a yellow front with a painting of a.o. a violin on it.
I can really recommend both these CD's -- they're excellent, and each 
contains almost 70 minutes of music.

-- "La Case A Lucie" (Blue Silver, 19??)
-- "Jou Ouve" (Blkue Silver, 19??)
'Typical' Malavoi. Very polished and slick, sometimes bordering on muzak.
On the other hand some of their best songwriting (Sidonie, Apre La Pli).
Reccommended, but perhaps not for purists. Both CD's are very short,
40 min. on average, and Jou Ouve doubles two of the La Case songs.

-- "Souch"
-- The_Newest_One_I_Forgot_The_Name
'Recent' Malavoi. Too soppy, even for me. Failed attempts to inject a more
western sound. Yuck. Avoid.

-- "Retrospective"
-- "Au Zenith"
Best of and Live album, respectively.

This is as far as my knowledge goes. Any information much appreciated,

thanks,

-- 
Leo Breebaart  (leo @ ph.tn.tudelft.nl)
Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin
From: block@dxlaa.cern.ch (Frank Block)
Subject: Re: David Byrne
Reply-To: block@dxlaa.cern.ch (Frank Block)
Organization: CERN, European Laboratory for Particle Physics, Geneva
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:25:45 GMT


In article <Bu0rL5.3Fo@rice.edu>, kamine@is.rice.edu (Jorge Hershel Kamine) writes:
|> >David Byrne is currently on tour.  check him out....
|> >It doesn't matter what you're into...latin, brazilian, rock, new wave, afro-funk.  He does it all and more.
|> >Also, check out UH-OH, his latest album.
|> 
|> Definitely!  I have enjoyed his _Brazil Classics vol 1 & 2_ compilations.

The thing about David Byrne is that he's done quite a bit to spread latin-
america music all around the world.
But if you really like that kind of music it's better to go to the original
interpreters and not to buy Byrne's albums. Then there is also his voice 
which really makes you want to switch off your CD player after 2 or 3 pieces.
The Brazil-classics collection is not bad, probably the best he did for that
type of music. I'm myself a big fan of brazilian music (um abraco aa garotada
brasileira lendo isto aqui) and think that compiling music of a certain
type is useful because it can serve as introduction for many people. But
the things he wrote/plays/sings seem to me not to be very important for the
afro-latin-american music. You find much better stuff.

BTW, did somebody listen to the new CD by Zizi Possi? I would strongly 
recommend this incredible brazilian singer. I heard/saw her at the Montreux
Jazz Festival this year and it was simply THE DISCOVERY of this year for me.

Thanks for your attention

				Frank
From: jsi@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (John Ii)
Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin
Subject: Boukman Experyance(sp?)
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:04:23 GMT



One of the best concerts I went to last year was
Boukman Experyance (I know this spelling is wrong).  They
will be at the DNA in San Francisco on September 16th.
The group is from Haiti and dynamite to see live.

Best,

John

Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Bonedaddys
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:17:40 GMT


I caught a glimpse of the Bonedaddys on PBS (Lonesome Pine) this
weekend.  Their hearts seem to be in the right place, playing some
combination of Neville Bros, Sly Stone and, uh, whatever else.  Does
anyone want to comment on this band?


--Gidi
From: aaronk@sequent.com (Aaron Kumove)
Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin
Subject: Irakere
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:12:32 GMT
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.



Anyone out there familiar with the Cuban band Irakere?  I picked up an
album of their's in Cuba a few years ago called Calzado Del Cerro (sp)
which is really great.
Can anyone help me out in getting some more of their stuff, and
recommendations of any particular albums/CDs?

 Thanks,

Aaron




aaronk@gateway.sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.afro-latin