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From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: O'HARE
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:02:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.192439.6495@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen) writes:
> O'hare Hilton.  But I suppose that it fills up quickly when the airport
> closes.  If people only knew how to use the train, they could get to
> Chicago or the suburbs very easily, but the system is confusing and I
> don't think the people at O'hare offer much help.
>

The OHare Hilton is closed for renovations (until this summer I think).

The *BEST* part about OHare is that I can take the train directly INTO the
terminal.  Cuomo, Dinkins, are you listening?  Its not confusing.  Get on
the ONLY train that goes to Ohare, and take it downtown to the Loop.  If
you need to go to Wrigley field or Evanston, its one change of trains.  If
you need to go to see the White Soxs, its one connection as well.  How 
difficult is that?

Plus, I can take the Pace bus #220 from Des Plaines to OHare.  Thats 
quicker for me (less than 90 minutes from Evanston) than the train (about
1 hr 45 minutes to 2 hours from Evanston).  And the cost cannot be beat.
I think its a $1.50 for the train and $1.10 for the bus.  Directly downtown
to the loop from OHare is less than 60 minutes.

There is a map at the entrance of the train station, and their is a CTA
official on duty there if you need help.

--Ken
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From: narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan)
Subject: FREE COMPANION to EUROPE ?????????
Reply-To: narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan)
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:53:55 GMT

There  was some talk about a good deal on Luftansa where the companion ticket
was free ........... what's the deal ? Luftansa says that the companion is 50% off the
exorbitant price of some $3000.

Any airlines that fly to Europe that are offering companion tickets FREE ????
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From: noah@coos.dartmouth.edu (Noah Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Welcome/etc.
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:36:46 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

paul@cs.su.oz (Paul Craig Tyler) writes:

>In article <rqcqmINN4qg@agate.berkeley.edu>


>Ok, if we are going to talk about non-scheduled flights ( ie not meant to
>take that long ) I took 16 hours London to Bangkok (4 hours of it on the
>ground). The longest direct flight that I know of ( this is not a
>regular flight, it has happened only once ) was a Qantas 747-400 doing
>London-Sydney direct on delivery.  They only had enough people aboard to fly it,
>with their luggage going separately.  I believe this took somewhere around 20
>hours.  

Actually, this happened when I lived in London. It was a new 747-400 flying
NON-STOP from London to SYD with the British Cricket Team aboard and just their
ball as symbolic cargo...

-Noah Cole
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From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: O'HARE
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:53:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.114317.794@gacvx2.gac.edu> phygod72@nic.gac.edu (Phil ) writes:
>I'm kind of curious what kinds of experience people have had in O'Hare.  I have  
>never had a non-positive experience there, but I've also only flown United and  
>Northwest through there.  

>However, I many people I know think that O'Hare=hell.  Why is this?

Hmm..I dont know...LaGuardia during construction is a nightmare, but i havent
had any horror experiences at OHare.  I been there quite a few times in the
last 3 months, and last weekend was, imho, as bad as it gets.  It was packed!
I came in on American.  Got my luggage okay, but I had to wait 10 minutes
for a phone.  Then when I called American Taxi (good deal, flat rate) I had
to wait 65 MINUTES!  Why?  Starting at Terminal 1 traffic was completely backed
up.  It took him 10-20 to get to OHare, and the rest of the time was trying
to get to Terminal 3.  It was interesting though watching all the buses and
limos and taxis fight each other.

--Ken
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: More about BUMPS
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:58:50 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> I would be interested in hearing other people's experiences with getting
> bumped, in particular, what are the restrictions on these tickets for
> particular airlines, and what people did to get around them (if the
> restrictions were really a problem).  Please post, or if you email me
> I will summarize.


I was bumped on Continental when it was People's Express.
I was on my way to visit some friends and not in a hurry
I was given a bump voucher (which I put in my luggage) and put on
the next flight.  Due to gate delays and airport changing I got
there earlier than the flight I was originnaly scheduled on.

My bag which had my bump voucher in it was broken open and
I was given a new bump voucher when I reported the loss.

A couple of months later I had to go to a wedding; the ticket
price had more than doubled at that point from less than a week
earlier so I was told that my ticket was going to cost more
[ I reserved but had not paid for my seat yet ]
So I pulled out my voucher, handed to the person at the counter
and told them to let People Express pay for the flight.

A week after the wedding the ORIGINAL certificate lost by the airline
was mailed back to me.  I never used it though.

Another bump I had on a flight between Hong Kong and the US via Korea Air.
Cattle-car cabin was full so we were bumped to business for the
entire flight.  The only problem was that we were put in the smoking
section (row #4 of 5).  Had the air vent on the entire time.

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From: newton@atlas.stat.wisc.edu (Michael Newton)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: AMEX coupons - how transferrable are they?
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:26:12 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

In article <1992Apr7.133902.27985@unx.sas.com> sashyh@barfly.unx.sas.com (Heidi Harring) writes:
>How does one get ahold of said coupons?  Apply for an AMEX card & get them as
>comp tickets?  or buy them from AMEX?

You must be a student (not sure about age restrictions) and you have to sell
your soul, I mean, name, to the American Express people's junk mailing list
in order to get them.  You apply for the standard green card, and if you
are approved, owe them $55 almost instantly, and receive four coupons and your
American Express card in
the mail, two for $129 and two for $189.  Then there are specifications  
as to what cities you can fly to.  I haven't cashed any of mine in yet.
And they expire in March of 1993.  And you must pay for your tickets with
your American Express card.         

Marianna Wright-Newton
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From: kilcup@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Greg Kilcup)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,alt.support.cancer
Subject: Re: Bereavement fares no longer exist
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:03:15 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel.air, alt.support.cancer
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ohio State University; Physics Department
In-reply-to: h2co@odin.cc.pdx.edu's message of 16 Apr 92 17:12:28 GMT

Having flown to Seattle yesterday on a bereavement fare,
I felt obliged to reply.  My travel agent at first warned
me that the bereavement fare was gone, but then came up
with a flight CMH<-->SEA for $550 on United.

    Greg Kilcup

PS: CMH == Columbus
From: autry@sgi.com (Larry Autry)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Airport codes, Part 1 of 2
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:58:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: odin.1992Apr11.165835.26517
Organization: Silicon Graphics, St. Louis, MO

>In article <knauer.702972019@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu>, knauer@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase) writes:
><
>
>This list comes from `T.J.Chown@ecs.southampton.ac.uk'.  I wonder about it,
>though:  I've never seen an airport code starting with a digit, and I
>happen to know that New Haven, CT, is `NHV', not `30N'.  Anyway, here you
>go....
The codes conflict because there are two airports there.  The one of lesser
importance being "30N".  There is a second entry for New Haven.  It is "HVN", 
which agrees with my OAG.  In general, airport codes beginning with digits 
are USUALLY not "major" airports.
>
HVN:New Haven:CT:5:41.27:72.88:4:72504:E

I appreciate you posting.  Thank you.
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From: pedregal@legato.Berkeley.EDU (Cris Pedregal-Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Polar flights
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:16:04 GMT
Reply-To: pedregal@cs.umass.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst.

In article <jon.702677318@lindy.Stanford.EDU>, jon@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:
|> 
|>    The thread about longest air flights reminds me of another air travel
|> question that I've never found an answer to:  Are there any regularly
|> scheduled commercial airline flights that fly directly over the North
|> Pole?  Or the South Pole?  If not, which ones come closest?
|> --
|> 
|> 
|> Jon Corelis               jon@lindy.stanford.edu
|> Stanford University       BITNET:  BA.JYC@RLG.STANFORD.EDU 

	Aerolineas Argentinas flies Buenos Aires (Argentina) 
	to Auckland (New Zealand) over Antarctica (and close
	to the South Pole I imagine).  They also fly to some
	city in Australia (or used to at some point).

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From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Unlimited travel tickets available IN US?
Originator: stgprao@xing
Organization: Unocal Corporation, Anaheim, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:33:10 GMT

Occasionally there are some deals like this for senior citizens.
One I've heard of recently is a coupon book- you buy five or ten legs at a time
for $90 a leg.  It can be cross-country.
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From: naftaly@supergas.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)
Subject: American to cut fares 30%-40% ???
Reply-To: naftaly@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:39:53 GMT


Hi, 

An small article in the Rocky Mountain News (Denver, CO) says today that American
Airline in going to announce a fare cut up to 40%. Does anybody out there on the
net has more information?

Naftaly

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From: sfg2483@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Shachar Frank )
Subject: Re: BUMPS / USAir
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 10:28:17 GMT

altus@leland.Stanford.EDU (Steve Altus) writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.010507.10497@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas) writes:
>>
>>Charlotte, NC, is a major USAir Hub....one of the two central locations for 
>>the airline, if I remember correctly.  Isn't the other one in Baltimore?  
>>Can someone check me on that?
>>

>USAir hubs:  PIT, CLT, BWI, PHL, DAY, IND           
Dayton is no longer a hub (since 1/92). LGA has a lot of USAir flights, though.
(They bought a bunch of gates from Continental).

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From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Airport codes, Part 1 of 2
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 01:58:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.165835.26517@odin.corp.sgi.com>, autry@sgi.com (Larry Autry) writes:
<>In article <knauer.702972019@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu>, knauer@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase) writes:
<
<>I've never seen an airport code starting with a digit, and I
<>happen to know that New Haven, CT, is `NHV', not `30N'.
<
<The codes conflict because there are two airports there.  The one of lesser
<importance being "30N".

Interesting.  What an educational group this is.  :-)  I was about to
throw the list away, thinking that it was obsolete.  :-)

<There is a second entry for New Haven.  It is "HVN", 
<which agrees with my OAG.

Whoops.  :-)  Thanks for the correction.

I may turn the list into something more readable (preferably without
sacrificing any of the data) and repost it.

					--Scott

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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: Mass Transit and airports (was: Re: O'HARE)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 18:34:58 GMT

In article <122225@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
>In article <54326@hydra.gatech.EDU> glenns@eas.gatech.edu writes:
>>Anyone know what BART is doing these days airportwise?
>San Francisco Int'l:  There are definite plans for the Daly City line
>to be extended to SFO.  Construction of the first segment of this
>extension is expected to begin soon.  But the airport probably won't
>be reached until near the turn of the century.

There is also much discussion about whether the station will be in the
airport or outside of it.  What is really crazy is that Caltrain already
goes close to the airport, and close to downtown.  For relatively little
money this system could link SFO with downtown and the travel time would
probably be superior to any times achievable by BART.

>Oakland Int'l:  BART already stops quite close to this airport at
>Coliseum station.  There's a shuttle bus from there to the airport.
>Long range plans have this shuttle bus replaced by a rail link, but
>this is way down on the priority list.

If BART were extended into Oakland Airport it would put Oakland Airport
a guaranteed 20 minute ride from downtown San Francisco.  I can imagine
business fliers moving en masse from SFO to Oakland Airport.  Perhaps
this is why this obvious extension hasn't happened already?

>Boston:  The subway goes to the airport.

Hah!  Has to be the world's least convenient system.  You end up MILES from
the terminals, and on the Blue line no less (requiring TWO changes to
get to Cambridge, for example).  What is needed is a dedicated short-line
from South Station to the center of the terminal area.  The trip would take
less than 5 minutes from the center of the financial district to the airport,
would eliminate probably 50% of the trips through the harbor tunnel and
utterly destroy the taxi business in Boston, which is why it will never happen
and why they are building a new car tunnel to the airport instead.

RNA
From: jfriedl@tubby.mach.cs.cmu.edu (Jeffrey E. F. Friedl)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Long Flights.
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:20:54 GMT
Reply-To: jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu
Organization: Carnegie Mellon / Omron Corporation

timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield) asks:
|> >UAL schedule book (Jan 92) sez:
|> >SFO-HKG		6914 mi		14:50 
|> >HKG-SFO				11:55

|> What I want to know is: for the SFO-HKG flight (which I presume means
|> San Fran to Hong Kong), why the 3-hour difference in flight time
|> depending on which way you're going?

Well, if the world weren't spinning the flight time would be just between
the two times... about 13.5 hours.  When flying from Asia to The States,
the earth is spinning under you _in_the_opposite_direction_ that you're
flying, and doing so at phenomenal speeds.  Thus, relative to the earth,
it appears as if *you* are traveling at phenomenal speeds, and time slows
for you appropriately (Einstein's Theory of Relativity at work for the
common person!).  And with the slowed time, it takes longer.... in this
case about an hour and a half.

Things work just the opposite for traveling *to* Asia from The States....
the earth is spinning with you which makes your speed relative to the earth
slower and therefore time (for you) speeds.... again, by about an hour
and a half.

One also experiences this with other flights, but the effect is most
pronounced with North American <--> Asian flighets due to the extreme
longitudinal distances involved.

One final point... this is a joke and total rubbish. (-:
	*jeff*

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From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: United Premier Emeritus
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:55:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr7.225550.5066
Reply-To: citrin@soglio.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Someone I know who had a United Premier card didn't do his 20,000 miles/year
or whatever, and was sent a Premier Emeritus card the next year.  Apparently
it gives all the privileges of a Premier card.  I take it that this is kind of
a "last chance" card that won't be renewed if you don't make the grade this
year.  My question is: is this done for everybody with a Premier card who
doesn't fly the required number of miles in a year, or must you have had
Premier status for a number of years before they'll give you Emeritus status
if you don't fly enough (and they'll drop you otherwise)?  Anybody know?

Wayne
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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: More about BUMPS
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 20:19:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.134239.25174@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> jch@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (jeffrey.c.halle) writes:
>From article <1946@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, by ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host):
>> I was bumped on Continental when it was People's Express.
>That's pretty tough to do, since Continental never had anything to do with
>People Express.  Though in many ways they were similar.

WRONG!

They had a lot to do with People Express.  Texas Air bought
People Express and the remaining assets of Frontier in 1986 and folded them
into Continental along with the remains of NY Air (already owned by Texas
Air) after NY Air's heart (shuttle-type flights from LGA to BOS and DCA)
was ripped out and sold to Pan Am to satisfy anti-trust concerns.  Actually
all that was sold to PA were the flight slots at LaGarbage.

For a period of months People Express operated under Texas Air ownership
(in fact the legal entity lasted for years as part of Lorenzo's corporate
shell game) before it's planes were turned over to CO to operate in the
AIRLINE MERGER FROM HELL in 1987.  This is when CO got well over half the
total number of consumer complaints to the FAA in one year.

I flew a CO plane last year that was STILL (5 years after the fact) in
People Express colors...  Talked to the pilot about it---he described it
as a old brown turkey with a meatball on the tail.

Talking to old CO employees can be really interesting sometimes... they've
been to hell and back a number of times.

RNA
From: nbaltz@uts.amdahl.com (Nancy C. Baltz)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Best Fares Magazine
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:27:31 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


>BEST FARES:
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>Best Fares,Inc
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From: rk@athena.mit.edu (Richard Kovalcik)
Subject: Re: here's a stab at a FAQ post -- comments/additions solicited
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:35:33 GMT


Regarding 2) What Other Ways ...

Besides the OAG there is something called SkyGuide for $45 per year
(12 issues).  However, it only lists direct flights while the OAG
lists MOST connections.  I say most because I've had a number of cases
of calling an airline and being told of perfectly reasonable connections
that were not in the OAG.
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From: jpy@mendelssohn.cs.columbia.edu (John P Yu)
Subject: flying pets, Tampa -> NY
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:09:52 GMT


If anyone out there has had experience with flying a cat out
along this route, I'd appreciate anything they can tell me
about health documents.  What I need to know is whether a
health certificate is required.

BTW.  The carrier is Delta and the reps weren't very helpful
in this regard.  I know certain carriers don't care if the
pet travels in the cabin, but Delta only allows them in the
hold.

Thanx in advance,
/John

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From: sanand@acsu.buffalo.edu (Sriram Anand)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: California Fares for a poor graduate student
Keywords: Summer travel
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:55:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.1992Apr6.205526.4345
Organization: UB

Could some kind soul out there tell me the cheapest fares I could get from
Buffalo,NY or Toronto to San Francisco ?I intend to travel in june or july.
I have no idea of the fares and therefore I am posting here.Anybody know any 
Travel agents who could give me a good deal?
Thanx in advance.

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From: kaojh@robbie.acns.nwu.edu (Jung-Hong Kao)
Subject: The cheapest air fare from Chicago to Rome
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:23:39 GMT

Hi :

I am going to Italy in June. Do you know where I can find the cheapest air  
fare between Chicago and Rome.
Thank you in advance