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From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: What to learn in Tucson AZ
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:18:41 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Jul23.231431.7572@unixg.ubc.ca> sworking@unixg.ubc.ca (Scott Workinger) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.212736.11736@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> ken@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Ken Shenkman) writes:
>>1) Does anyone know about MA in Tucson? What's available.
>You're in luck!  There's a world class master of Wing Chun living in
>Tucson.  His name is Augustine Fong.  He is also a very nice person.
>When I was there, he had a small school on east Speedway.  He is
>a very modest man so it's easy to underrate him.  That would be a
>serious error.  

I'd be inclined to second this recommendation. I've seen some of his
stuff on video, and it is a bit different from the Wing Chun I learned.
However, a friend has worked out in his school a couple times while
traveling there on business, and had a pretty favorable impression. He
said they welcomed him, despite being from a different lineage (which
seems to cause lots o problems in the WC world). He said the students
were pretty good, very polite, and that Fong was good.

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu

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From: burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: MA as therapy for abuse
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:43:07 GMT

I don't think martial artists were especially abused as children,
but I thought I would mention that a number of recent articles on
therapy for abused women and rape survivors have advocated martial
arts training as a means of restoring self-confidence.

Dakin
burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu

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From: akif@sequent.com (Aki Fleshler)
Subject: AIKIDO SEMINAR, PORTLAND OR, 8/15-16
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:08:04 GMT

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

                       AIKIDO SEMINAR
                             in
                        Portland, OR

               Darryl Bluhm, Shidoin, 5th Dan
       Chief Instructor, Siskyou Aikikai, Ashland OR
      United States Aikido Federation, Western Region

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

             Saturday, August 15 (1:00 - 5:30)

     Oregon Athletic Club, 833 NE Russell, Portland OR

  directions below -- doors open for registration at 12:30

                      ++++++++++++++++

              Sunday, August 16 (9:00 - 1:00)

"Big Fill" (open field), Washington Park, SW Kingston, Portland OR

       directions below -- NB: no changing facilities

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 $30/weekend -- please bring boken, jo -- observers welcome

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

               Sponsored by Multnomah Aikikai
               at Martial Arts Fitness Center
                610 SW 12th St.  Portland OR

        Call (503) 246-8120 for further information

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Directions to Oregon Athletic Club:

Take 84th Street exit north from I-84.  Continue  north,  go
right  (east)  on  Russell.  Club  is  on  left; entrance in
north-east corner of club.



Directions to "The Big Fill":

From Highway 26: exit  at  the  Zoo.   Go  through  the  Zoo
parking  lot  towards  the Viet Nam Veteran's Memorial, past
the Vet's parking lot. At the stop sign, turn right.  Follow
signs to Rose/Japanese Gardens. Big Fill will be on the left
after approx. 0.8 mile.

From Downtown Portland:  take 18th or  19th  to  Salmon.  Go
west  (= uphill) on Salmon, follow jog north at Park Street.
After 4 blocks, turn  right  at  Washington  Park  entrance.
Follow  winding road up hill past the  Rose/Japanese Gardens
parking. At the stop sign, go straight.  Follow signs to the
Zoo. Big Fill will be on the right after approx. 1.2 miles.

From Burnside:  turn  south  at  Tichener  (blinking  yellow
light).   At  stop  sign, turn right.  At next stop sign, go
straight.  Turn RIGHT and enter Washington Park. Go past the
tennis courts and follow signs to the Zoo.  Big Fill will be
on the right after approx. 1.2 miles.
-- 
Aki Fleshler                                  * akif@sequent.com
Sequent Computer Systems Inc.                 * (503) 578-4570
15450 SW Koll Parkway, RHE2-775               * FAX (503) 578-7569
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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Hakkoryu jujutsu
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:27:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.143318.6735@cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>
>has anyone heard of Dennis G. Palumbo? he has written a couple of
>books on hakkoryu jujutsu. is he well known in jujustu/AJJ cirlcles?
>i have never heard of him.
>
>-mukund

It's hard to believe that there are two Dennis Palumbos, but a man by
that name wrote the screenplay for My Favorite Year.  He's written a
few other, less well-known things as well, including the pilot for The
Love Boat.  He subsequently became a therapist, and my wife and I see
him for marriage counseling (I love L.A.).  He does know something
about the martial arts, and he has a heavy bag at home.  I'll ask if
him if he wrote the books you're referring to.  I doubt it, but
stranger things have happened in this town.  If he did, is there
anything else I should ask him?

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From: RXTL20@WACCVM.corp.mot.com
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Organization: Motorola Inc.
Date: 23 Jul 1992 08:13:57 MST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: seah@fraser.sfu.ca (Simon Seah)
Subject: years for black belt
Keywords: black belt time
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:08:00 GMT

Okay.  Another potentially silly and flammable question from the ignorant
one who plays role-playing games that are so cinematic as to be miles from
the truth.

How many years does it take to become a belt belt in a martial art?
Assuming the first possible level of black belt (as, I am told, high levels
sometimes involve non-martial arts activities), and continuous, dedicated,
training.

If you deign to reply to this post, please state the style, permutation
of style if any, the number of years, and extenuating circumstances (ex.
you already had style X and that helped you in learning style Y, you are
a natural genius with martial arts, etc...).

Thanks.

Simon
-Yes, I still have my asbestos suit on.

American Taekwondo Association -@2 years to first degree black belt
9 colored belts, test every two months. Usually advance a belt at each
testing. But the amount of material to know is cumulative, and so many
students slow down about the 8th colored belt. In some cases, board
breaking slows the advance. (Mandatory for 7th belt and above.)
Also, each belt has two levels, so you can go up a level but not a belt.

Obviously, if you know another style, you should be able to whip thru the
first three belts pretty well. Our instructor has allowed such students
to test for multiple belt 'jumps'.After that, there's just too much to
memorize.
The forms are not traditional TKD forms, but the techniques are pretty close.

STICKS
From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Books on Chi/Ki
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:42:52 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <14q2jhINNles@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <12465@inews.intel.com> jquarant@mipos3.UUCP (James R. Quaranta Jr.) writes:
>>Have you ever known someone who has ended up psychotic or crippled from
>>practicing Chi Kung?
>
>My first teacher knew a couple who ended up psychotic doing Ch'i Kung (I
>vaguely recall it was Chia's stuff, or something closely related).  Thorick
>Chow (hello, Thorick?) says there's a person at his school who almost ended
>up crippled from it.
>

THe person I'm thinking of told me quite seriously that he was nearly
driven to suicide..  he described a body which went 'out of control'
and went on like this for a period of months...   uncontrollable
spasms  and prolonged muscle contractions, intense pain, sleeplessness
enough misery to make him think that death might be preferable...
It took him a bit of time before he was comfortable with the idea
of doing the 'soft' Chi Kung methods that we do now  (for obvious
reasons, after surviving his last experiences)...

Oh BTW, this guy is no 'new-age freak' kind of guy, in fact, he's
a rather conservative chinese fellow from overseas who comes
to class in polyester slacks (as opposed to Hammer Pants or such),
is a research scientist at a large commercial laboratory...
someone that some might classify as kind of a 'bookish' and serious guy.

-thorick



--
"We must be careful not to discourage our 12-year-olds by making them   
 waste the best years of their lives on preparing for examinations.  If
 we do not stifle their interest in science, one of them has a chance to
 be the new Heisenberg..."              - Freeman Dyson
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aikidog was: Dog Techniques
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:23:32 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Jul23.161238.27528@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>Perhaps the cause of this is one of two things:
>	- most dogs don't spend a lot of time practicing falling techniques

	Dogs have to be taught to jump.  Once you teach them a German
Sheperd sized dog can clear an >6 foot fence with a running start.
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:12:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.130507.15453@Arco.COM> dbgbes@edp.arco.com (Bruce Shellenbaum) writes:
>In article <13733@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut) writes:
>|> In article <1992Jul24.174628.3206@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, dougw@astro.as.arizona.edu (Doug Williams) writes:
>|> > 
>|> > 	Does anyone out there in netland know of any reputable mail order
>|> > companies that market knives/daggers.  I have heard about Spyderco (sp?)
>|> > blades, and would like to know where to purchse them and what people think of
>|> > them.
>|> 
>|> 	I've had good luck with The Cutlery Shoppe (800-231-1272).
>|> 
>|> 		Brian A. Ehrmantraut
>
>          I'll second that, 
>
>Bruce Shellenbaum

	I order stuff from them fairly frequently and have to say they are
	very good.  Atlanta Cutlery is also pretty good, though their prices
	are a little bit higher (but not much) and they are a bit faster in
	delivery.

	-Andy V.

	PS, AG Russel is a very overpriced outfit.  Nothing very impressive for
	the money.  I wouldn't bother.

	PPS, I recently got a Spyderco Co-Pilot.  Best knife I've ever had,
	except for the ones that I made myself, but what else would you expect
	me to say????
From: westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil (Eric Westreich)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Hot water
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:36:36 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

>>In article <59140@mimsy.umd.edu>, tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
>>
>>and is it also true that Hot/boiling water will freeze faster than
>>cold water? I know I heard this somewhere a long time ago. Why does it
>>do this?
>

	Put hot tea and ice tea in a freezer. The hotter tea will 
begin cooling faster than the ice tea. (Hot things cool at faster RATES).
However, when the hot tea reaches the same temperature as the ice tea was
initially, it will cool at the same slower rate as the ice tea started at.
The ice tea is still colder now than the (now cold) hot tea. 

	The colder the liquid gets, the longer it takes to drop to the next
degree colder. The tea with the coldest initial temperature freezes first.

DISCLAIMER: This is a simple example that assumes a lot: same containers,
same amount and type of tea,...

-Eric
 westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil
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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: boardbreaking and quantam physics
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:33:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.173404.1232@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
>In article <Brsont.Bnu@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> butscher@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Adrian Butscher) writes:
>>Hmmm...
>>
>>The Quantum Mechanics of board breaking?  I'm not too sure if that's the way
>
>OK, OK, OK...let's get a board, some cyanide, a karate-ka in a cat suit, and
>a BIG airtight box...
>
>This is, of course, the famous Schrodinger's Tameshiwari thought experiment.
>
>The cat suit is *not* optional.

You're going to perform Schroedinger's Kata?

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
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Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: wdwitte@cs.vu.nl (Witte de W)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:05:20 GMT

rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:

>In article <1992Jul24.152210.20460@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
>>In article <l6urdoINNpis@nunki.usc.edu> silverma@nunki.usc.edu (David Silverman) writes:
>>What happens if you flunk? Do they use you for tameshigiri or something?
>>
>The way things work conserning obtaining a BB at the dojo I go to. Is
>In general, it USUALLY takes one try to pass the test. Although they
>are pretty sure you can pass before you try for it.  I have seen the
>
At my dojo you may not take part of a black belt exam until you master
all aspects of the martial art (in this case karate). He wants only
GOOD black belts, since black belt means master.

In the past 15 karate did exam for black belt, and all got it the first time.


bye,


					wiebe
					(wdwitte@cs.vu.nl)


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From: CA.FER@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jennifer Gates)
Subject: Re: Gay martial artists (was Re: aikido!)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:56:19 GMT

Volcano,

>Why "come out" to the dojo?
>My sex life is my own business, it never comes up,

(some stuff deleted)
Just think about it, I have casual conversations about who I'm
dating or, who I'm living with. These are no big deal if you are
straight. However, if you are gay saying someting about your
significant other brings up the concern of whether your fellow dojo
people will have a bad reaction or not. This is what it means to
"come out" to the dojo. Don't get confused that it has anything to
do with what you do in bed.....

>maybe if you develop some friendships then sure.
>If someone asks me about some aspect about my personality
>I tell them, I guess the same standered should be used for
>leaving the old closet.As to if the truth should be told,
>the people involved.
>
This is close to what people who are gay would like to be the case..


Fer+
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From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Subject: Re: Dirty Dozen VS. Seagal
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:55:28 GMT

In <1992Jul29.163638.15733@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:

>>I'm not sure about that.  Suppose he did work for the CIA.  I'm sure the
>>CIA would deny it.  Suppose he did not.  Then I would really expect them
>>to deny it.  What else would they say if he didn't?

>He didn't work for the CIA. There is no CIA. There is no such thing as
>Greenoch, either...

Actually he *thought* he worked for the CIA. In reality he was the
subject of a strange loop technique and secretly employed by the KGB
(who are of course controlled by the Elders of Zion (who are controlled
by the freemasons (who are controlled by the Bavarian
Illuminati)))...ever notice how much like Lee Harvey Oswald he looks??

What have I said? No, no all the above is wrong...Steven Seagal does not
in fact exist....nor does the CIA...and the Bavarian Illuminati
definately don't...someone else wrote all that...I know nothing...help!!

Ollie...
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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Shotokan dojos in Montreal?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 29 JUL 92 09:19:44    


In article <Bs462r.E6F@cs.dal.ca>, marsup@cs.dal.ca (Mario Ouellet) writes...
>Hi.
> 
>I will soon be moving to Montreal and I would like to know if any of
>you people can suggest a good Shotokan dojo in the area.
> 
>I would be mostly interested in a University-type club, because of the
>proximity of other sports facilities, but any and all suggestions
>are welcomed.

If you get a chance when you arrive there, please check out Tony
Blauer's club at 5477 Pare St., and let me know your impressions.
He's definitely not Shotokan Karate, he's more composite martial
arts, and he has a very nice setup.   I recently posted some of
*my* impressions of him, and I'd love to get someone else's.

If you want, you can reach him at (514) 737-6659.

						kind regards,
							todd
From: jamesh@castle.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Starting back...
Summary: Starting again after 2 years absence
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:43:38 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

I started Shotokan Karate at the age of 11. I got my black belt on the
third attempt when I was 17. When I coming up 18 yrs old I had to stop due
to some pain I was getting in my hip. The doctor said that it was due to
wear and tear(from stretching and kicking) wearing sore spot on the
joint capsule, and advised about 3 months rest.As it turned out after
having seen a physiotherapist who gave a similar diagnosis and having been off
karate for the first year and another term of university, I went to see
an osteopath who told me that my hip was slightly out of alignment. Since
then I've been getting osteopathic treatment which has done a world of
good. Now I want to start karate again. There is a complicating factor.
Due to my hip problem, my back is quite sensitive(the muscles are
readjusting to me being back to normal again) and I was wondering what
advise you guys might give me for my initial training? 

Also I am thinking of taking up either Ju Jitsu or Aikido as well. Would
this be a good idea? Are throws liable to do my back in? 

My osteopath has said(about the karate) that as long as I'm careful
there's no reason why not, so I am going ahead with it. I just need info
on how to avoid hurting my back or a relapse of the hip problem(I am not
naturally particularly flexible and in fact I'm downright stiff since I
stopped the karate).

James
 
-- 
  James Hammerton,2nd year Computer Science at University of Edinburgh
  Email: jamesh@uk.ac.ed.castle   Or: jh@uk.ac.ed.dcs
From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Shao-Lin Temple news
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:15:12 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

This post presents more information about Shao-Lin Grandmaster
Sin The's recent trip to the Shao-Lin temple in Henan, China.
If the subject doesn't interest you, please skip this article,
and forgive me for posting it. 

I just got word from Master David Soard and Master Sharon Soard
with a few details about the visit they paid to the Shao-Lin
Temple in the company of Grandmaster Sin Kwang The' and 
numerous students. Some people may find some of the information
interesting, and, of course it's exciting for students of
our system, so I thought I'd post a little bit of the
information.

The day of the visit the Temple was closed to the public for a
ceremony at which a tablet was installed at the Temple
acknowledging Grandmaster The's lineage. Apparently, three
other schools have been recognized in this way. One is a
Wu Shu school in Switzerland, one the Taiwan national 
(Chen) T'ai Chi association, and the third a Praying Mantis
school in Florida (I imagine I could find out the names of
those schools if people are interested). Master Soard says
that he was invited by the monks to petition for a tablet
to be added to the Temple for Grandmaster The's lineage. He
said that after the petition was submitted they received
notice of its approval one month later. (Apparently some other
tablet had to be removed in order to make room for the new
one. I don't know the details of how these tablets are
arranged).

I'm told that the abbot of the Temple was quite aged and sick,
but that he nevertheless made an appearance at the ceremony
where the tablet was installed. One of the students who was
present tells me that the abbot and Grandmaster The' made
brief speeches acknowledging each other, and said that Grandmaster
The' was visibly moved by the occasion.

The group also paid a visit to the Chen village, which is
not far away. David Theroff, the student mentioned above, 
says that the T'ai Chi artists in the village are friendly,
but that the American students were unable to engage them in
the freestyle push-hands that is a regular part of our
T'ai Chi practice. (He indicated that sparring seemed
in general not to be an area of emphasis in the practice at
the Shao-Lin Temple nowadays, which would be consistent
with the Chinese government's policy of emphasizing
public performance aspects of the arts). Master Soard
has said that the monks at the temple referred to the
material that Grandmaster The's students demonstrated as
'old style'.

Apparently we (instructors who are students of the Soards) will
be receiving copies of rubbings that were made of the tablet
for display in our schools, and there is also supposed to be a 
video of the demonstrations that we'll get after it's been
edited.

Once again, please forgive the shameless gushing; this sort
of stuff is exciting for us.
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Hakkoryu jujutsu
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:41:45 GMT
	<1992Jul27.234409.7406@cs.rose-hulman.edu>
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU's message of 27 Jul 92 23:44:09 GMT


In article <1992Jul27.234409.7406@cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:

   In article <MARY.92Jul27143133@martinique.Cayman.COM>, mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
   >
   >   In article <1992Jul22.143318.6735@cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
   >   >
   >   >has anyone heard of Dennis G. Palumbo? he has written a couple of
   >   >books on hakkoryu jujutsu. is he well known in jujustu/AJJ cirlcles?
   >   >i have never heard of him.
   >   >
   >   >-mukund
   >
   >For heaven's sake...there are probably seventeen just in my hometown.

	   aha mary, are any of these 17 hakkoryu jujustu folk? if they all are
	   we may be onto something...a secret cult of dennis g. palumbo's who
	   train in hakkoryu...
	   (the one in charge is the guy who wrote both the books)...

*giggle* are you kidding?  Mukund, I was born in Schenectady, NY (which
explains a lot).  
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