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Reply-To: rehm@zso.dec.com (Eric Rehm)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Subject:Benefit Concert for United Farm Works of WA, 2/13/93 

From Flying Fish and Collector Records, UFW of WA presents:

	             ****  John O'Connor ****
  *** In Concert To Benefit United Farm Workers of Washington State ***
           
                Songs, Stories, Politics, and Humor

	        Saturday, February 13, 1993, 7:30 p.m.
             IBEW #46 Hall, 2700 First Ave., Seattle, WA
          $7 advance / $8 at door / $5 senior, low-income, student

   "...wonderful: direct, simple, singable, powerful..." [Si Kahn]

   "...This is good music, good poetry, good history..." [Utah Phillips]

    Sponsored by the Seattle Farm Work Support Task Force,
    a project of the Church Council of Greater Seattle &
    Pacific NW Labor History Association


Tickets available at Elliot Bay Books, Red and Black Books, or 
call (206) 322-6933.

United Farm Workers of Washington ask you to BOYCOTT Lane-Stimson wines
(Chateau Ste. Michelle, Columbia Crest, Farron Ridge, Conn Creek,
Villa Mt. Eden, V.M. Whitebye, Snoqualmie, and Saddle Mtn.) in support
of the UFW's efforts to gain collective bargaining rights for
farm workers in Washington.





Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: rehm@ninja.zso.dec.com (Eric Rehm)
Distribution: world
Reply-To: rehm@ninja.zso.dec.com (Eric Rehm)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Subject:Benefit Concert for United Farm Workers on 2/13/93 

From Flying Fish and Collector Records, UFW of WA presents:

	             ****  John O'Connor ****
  *** In Concert To Benefit United Farm Workers of Washington State ***
           
                Songs, Stories, Politics, and Humor

	        Saturday, February 13, 1993, 7:30 p.m.
             IBEW #46 Hall, 2700 First Ave., Seattle, WA
          $7 advance / $8 at door / $5 senior, low-income, student

   "...wonderful: direct, simple, singable, powerful..." [Si Kahn]

   "...This is good music, good poetry, good history..." [Utah Phillips]

    Sponsored by the Seattle Farm Work Support Task Force,
    a project of the Church Council of Greater Seattle &
    Pacific NW Labor History Association


Tickets available at Elliot Bay Books, Red and Black Books, or 
call (206) 322-6933.

United Farm Workers of Washington ask you to BOYCOTT Lane-Stimson wines
(Chateau Ste. Michelle, Columbia Crest, Farron Ridge, Conn Creek,
Villa Mt. Eden, V.M. Whitebye, Snoqualmie, and Saddle Mtn.) in support
of the UFW's efforts to gain collective bargaining rights for
farm workers in Washington.



Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: rehm@zso.dec.com (Eric Rehm)
Distribution: world
Reply-To: rehm@zso.dec.com (Eric Rehm)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Subject:Benefit Concert for United Farm Works of WA, 2/13/93 

From Flying Fish and Collector Records, UFW of WA presents:

	             ****  John O'Connor ****
  *** In Concert To Benefit United Farm Workers of Washington State ***
           
                Songs, Stories, Politics, and Humor

	        Saturday, February 13, 1993, 7:30 p.m.
             IBEW #46 Hall, 2700 First Ave., Seattle, WA
          $7 advance / $8 at door / $5 senior, low-income, student

   "...wonderful: direct, simple, singable, powerful..." [Si Kahn]

   "...This is good music, good poetry, good history..." [Utah Phillips]

    Sponsored by the Seattle Farm Work Support Task Force,
    a project of the Church Council of Greater Seattle &
    Pacific NW Labor History Association


Tickets available at Elliot Bay Books, Red and Black Books, or 
call (206) 322-6933.

United Farm Workers of Washington ask you to BOYCOTT Lane-Stimson wines
(Chateau Ste. Michelle, Columbia Crest, Farron Ridge, Conn Creek,
Villa Mt. Eden, V.M. Whitebye, Snoqualmie, and Saddle Mtn.) in support
of the UFW's efforts to gain collective bargaining rights for
farm workers in Washington.








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From: steve@chief.neopath (Steve Faull)
Subject: What's the point? (Re: E'coli -- "God's Revenge"?)
Reply-To: steve@chief.neopath
Organization: NeoPath Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:01:34 GMT

>Here at Boeing we thought the Inauguration Day wind storm was evidence that
>the Boeing Engineers (which had a one day strike on Tuesday) knew some higher
>powers that be . . . Listen up Boeing!

Someone please explain to me what was the point of a one day strike
and what it accomplished.  I heard last night that there was a vote
not to strike anymore and continue to work without a contract.  Is
this conceding defeat?  Is this end of story?

-Steve 


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~ Steve Faull		steve@neopath.wa.com     ~
~ NeoPath Inc.		Bellevue, Washington USA ~
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From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Transit system in Seattle (Re: Following distance Was (Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!))
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:01:58 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma
Distribution: world
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: bambam.u.washington.edu

josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes) writes:
> I guess I'll stick a toe into these waters... I LIKE the transit
> system in Seattle. Even before I got my absurdly cheap u-pass, I
> bought monthly passes, and rode the bus EVERYWHERE. I have a car,
> but I very seldom use it.

You're just one of the lucky few, then.  A public transit system isn't
much good if it isn't a viable option for a majority of the population.
It needs to be used before it's a benefit to the public.

> I am, however, generally in favor
> of anything that will get people to drive less,

Me, too.

> so I guess I would
> support, half-heartedly, rail transport from the east side to the
> city proper...but I betcha it wouldn't get much use. People are too
> damn in love with their cars.

That may be the case, but if a rail system could get one of those
yuppie #@*%s to their office in 30 minutes whereas their Accura would
sit on the freeway for an hour, I think they'd start using it.

My problem with any bus system is that it is inherently not any faster
than car traffic.  Coupled with the "inconveniences" associated with it,
it's enough to discourage a lot of people from using it.

Ultimately, the goal of any transit system should be to get the greatest
number of people from affordable housing to the job centers of an urban
area, IMHO.

-- 
Il Hwan Oh                              | "You live and learn.
Computer Facilities Manager             |   At any rate, you live."
University of Washington, Tacoma        |            -- Douglas Adams
iho@cac.washington.edu                  | 
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From: dietz@parody.Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz)
Subject: Re: Non-Smoking Restaurants/Bars
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:18:23 GMT

In article <klg.728001231@bass>, klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross) writes:
|> 
|> I decided to compile a list of non-smoking restaurants and bars. I know
|> that most places have a non-smoking section, but IMHO this merely pays
|> lip-service to the reality that smoke knows no boundries.

I saw a quote in yesterday's Times that I think sums up my thoughts about
"non-smoking" areas:

"Would you put in a urinating area in your swimming pool?"

then of course there is the famous Steve Martin:

Smoker:"Do you mind if I smoke?"
Martin:"Do you mind if I fart?"

|> 
|> If you know of a restaurant or bar that does not allow smoking on the
|> premises, I would like to know the name and location of that business.
|> I'll send the compiled list to whomever would like a copy, but I'll send
|> it quicker if you give me some info first ;-).

The same article said that there are many no smoking restaurants in the 
state (700 comes to mind) -- there were also several anti-smoking groups
mentioned in the article.  They probably have exhaustive lists of no
smoking public venues.

NEW THREAD:

When the secondary smoke reports came out, I immediately started wondering
what the anti-smoking lobbies would do with the reports.  If a parent or
other adult causes a child to suffer asthma attacks by smoking, is that 
considered child abuse?  I contend that using whipping as discipline is not
nearly as damaging to a child as smoking in an enclosed area.  I understand
that some state legislator is proposing that it be illegal to smoke in a car
with a child under the age 16.  The legislator admits that the law will be 
very difficult to enforce, but the educational value of the law may save some
childs life.  How far can government go on this issue.  Can they tell people
that they cannot smoke in their own homes if children are present?  Seems like
a serious breach of personal freedom, but then again, the children are not
exactly being allowed to practice freedom of choice, are they?  Opinions?  

I personally am against the state legislating such controls, but must admit
that I know people who wear seat belts now, simply because the state says they
must.  Will parents stop smoking, at least in the presence of their children,
simply because the government puts the secondary smoke reports into law?  Is
legislation a reasonable way to educate the populace?

Puzzled in Redmond,

Kent Dietz
From: jdavids@calvin.seattleu.edu (Jim Davidson)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Precision Tune.
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:21:56 GMT
Organization: Seattle University
Distribution: seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.seattleu.edu

I used to use the PT in Renton (Sunset BLVD) until they forgot to screw my
oil cap on tightly (the car was only 1 year old).  Fortunately I caught it
soon enough that no damage was done, but what a mess.  Needless to say, I
go elsewhere now.

I should note here that they did replace the cap (reimbursed me).

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: fyl@fylz.wa.com (Phil Hughes)
Subject: Re: Transit system in Seattle (Re: Following distance Was (Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!))
Organization: FYL
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:20:30 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Dag Erik Lindberg (del@fnx.uucp) wrote:
: In <1993Jan22.205122.14187@ssc.com> fyl@ssc.com (Phil Hughes) writes:
: 
: >In a book by Ernest Callenbach about making living choices (I forget the
: >name of the book) he points out that a realistic way to think about a car
: >is that you must add the time you work to support your car when you figure
: >how "fast" in gets you around.  His calculation showed that once the costs
: >of an average car (purchase, maintenance, insurance, parking, etc) was
: >paid for in the amount of time you needed to work to get the necessary
: >money that cars only transported you at about 6 miles per hour.
: 
: This calculation is, of course, only valid if the only reason you have
: a car is for commuting to and from work.  Assuming you would have a car
: regardless of it's use to go to/from work, the calculation cannot
: include purchase price.

Big assumption and certainly not what he intended you to assume.  I
have a friend who does not have a car.  When he needs one he rents
one.  The total cost is significantly less than owning one and he gets
to see the actual cost of various excursions.

The idea (Callenbach's main idea in the book) is to look at the actual
costs of all the decisions we make.  If you start with the assumption
that you don't have a car it makes decisions like housing costs look
quite different.  For example, selecting a house or apartment near
work, grocery stores and decent mass transit can get a fair shake.
By this I mean increased cost (purchase price or rent) is offset by
significant transportation cost savings.
-- 
Phil Hughes - FYL - 8315 Lk City Wy NE - Suite 207 - Seattle, WA 98115 
Phone: 206-526-2919 x74      Fax: 526-0803
E-mail: fyl@fylz.com or nwnexus!fylz!fyl 
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From: fyl@ssc.com (Phil Hughes)
Subject: Re: Transit system in Seattle (Re: Following distance Was (Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!))
Organization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:51:22 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Josh Hayes (josh@cqs.washington.edu) wrote:
: I guess I'll stick a toe into these waters... I LIKE the transit
: system in Seattle. Even before I got my absurdly cheap u-pass, I
: bought monthly passes, and rode the bus EVERYWHERE. I have a car,
: but I very seldom use it.
: 
: Of course, I live in the city, on Capitol Hill. But I take the
: bus downtown, to Northgate, to Ballard, to the airport....sure,
: it takes time. But so does driving, and then you have to find
: parking, and deal with traffic

In a book by Ernest Callenbach about making living choices (I forget the
name of the book) he points out that a realistic way to think about a car
is that you must add the time you work to support your car when you figure
how "fast" in gets you around.  His calculation showed that once the costs
of an average car (purchase, maintenance, insurance, parking, etc) was
paid for in the amount of time you needed to work to get the necessary
money that cars only transported you at about 6 miles per hour.
-- 
Phil Hughes, SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549, Seattle, WA 98155  (206)FOR-UNIX
>>> Publishers of pocket references for UNIX, C, VI, Emacs, Ksh, MS-DOS, ... <<<
     ...!ssc!fyl or fyl@ssc.com            (206)527-3385
From: kdahlst@uswnvg.com (Kevin Dahlstrom)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Beware Precision Tune in Federal Way!
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:59:28 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: U S WEST NewVector Group, Inc.

business again.  I have had nothing but problems with any of the
outlets I have gone to...I have used them in Oregon and Washington
and all of those times the work has been spendy and shoddy...I
also put out a warning to anyone who considers going to Precision
Tune...DONT!!!!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Kevin D.
US West n
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From: alpinist@eskimo.com (David Butler)
Subject: Re: E'coli -- "God's Revenge"?
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:37:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.180407.9941@fylz.wa.com> fyl@fylz.wa.com (Phil Hughes) writes:
>I have heard so many times that AIDS is God's revenge for an unnatural
>lifestyle.  Are these same people who said that saying that the
>current e'coli epedemic in Seattle is God's revenge for eating
>animals?

Maybe its the cow god.
 

-- 
Dave                                     The alpinist@eskimo.com
No Disclaimer:  construe my ideas to be those of anyone you wish
 - you will merely be wrong.
From: raoul@fangio.wa.com (Jeff Benedict)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Bird ID?
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 18:55:17 PST
Organization: J. Benedict Computing, Port Townsend, WA. USA

alpinist@eskimo.com (David Butler) writes:

> In article <1jf3btINNqg7@shelley.u.washington.edu> ngrjn@carson.u.washington.
> >	I have seen at least one Great Blue Heron near Greenlake. There is
> >	also one that visits the Drumheller Fountain at the UW campus at
> >	nights, occasionally.  There are huge rookeries in the Nysqually
> >	River Basin south of Tacoma. There is supposed to be some near Auburn
> >	too.
> 
> >								- Nagarajan
> 
> There used to be one that hung out at the fish hatchery at the UW.  I
> don't think the fisheries people were all that fond of it though.
>  
My mother lives in the White Center area just half-way between the 
Duwamish River and the Sound.  Every year for the last ten there has been 
a pair of GB Herons living in a tree in the neighbor's back yard.  We 
figure that it is a good, protected nesting area near two feeding areas- 
Seola Beach just around the corner south of the Fauntleroy ferry terminal 
and Kellog Island on the Duwamish.

It's quite a sight to see those big birds soaring through the home 
neighborhood!

Jeff

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From: ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu (Ethan Bradford)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Child born in Japan with American Father/Japanese Mom-citizenship?
Date: 23 Jan 93 13:33:43
Organization: U. of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: ptolemy.astro.washington.edu
In-reply-to: raoul@fangio.wa.com's message of Wed, 20 Jan 93 19:01:01 PST
TO: raoul@fangio.wa.com (Jeff Benedict)

Since at least one parent is a US citizen, the US government assumes
him to be a US citizen until they get some evidence that he has sworn
allegiance to a foreign country or renounced his US citizenship.  I
don't know the rules for Japanese citizenship.
From: grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (Jojie R. T.)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Recycling centers in Seattle?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:34:55 -0800
Organization: Seattle University
Distribution: seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu


In article ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu (Ethan Bradford) writes: 
>
>All the things you mention can be taken for free to any transfer
>station in Seattle.
>

One question though, do they process them for recycling or just throw them
in with the rest of the garbage?

George


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From: mcdonald@cs.sfu.ca (Ken Mcdonald)
Subject: Re: Looking for a discount broker for Canadian stocks
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:38:13 GMT


Those who wish a Canadian discount broker may want to take a look at Green
Line, with offices in most major and (I think) severnal not so majore
Canadian cities.  I think Green Line is a little more expensive than the
cheapest discount brokers (though still far below the price of a full-
service broker), but you also know you are dealing with a trustworthy
firm--they are an affiliate (subsidiary?) of the Toronto Dominion Bank,
one of the Big Six Cdn. banks.

Cheers,
Ken Mcdonald
mcdonald@cs.sfu.ca
From: ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu (Ethan Bradford)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Recycling centers in Seattle?
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:30:16
Organization: U. of Washington
Distribution: seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: ptolemy.astro.washington.edu
In-reply-to: markmc@asymetrix.com's message of 24 Jan 1993 18:41:23 -0800
TO: markmc@asymetrix.com (Mark McWiggins)

All the things you mention can be taken for free to any transfer
station in Seattle.

In article <1jvk0jINNnvc@hubble.asymetrix.com> markmc@asymetrix.com (Mark McWiggins) writes:

   I know of a couple of places to take recyclables (Fibres International in
   Bellevue & the Safeway at the corner of 40th & Stone Way in Seattle), but
   neither takes everything I have to recycle:

	   * newspaper
	   * "mixed paper" (mostly junk mail)
	   * plastics (all #'s)
	   * glass bottles 
	   * aluminum cans
	   * tin cans

   Fibres International comes close, but last I checked they only take plastic
   #1 & #2. Plus they're geographically undesirable for me these days ...

   Thanks in advance for any pointers.
   -- 
   Mark McWiggins        Asymetrix, Inc.    		+1 206 462 0501 (voice)
   markmc@asymetrix.com  110 110th NE Bellevue  WA 98004   +1 206 455 3071 (fax)
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Transit system in Seattle (Re: Following distance Was (Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!))
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:08:26 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes) writes:
/ I guess I'll stick a toe into these waters... I LIKE the transit
/ system in Seattle. Even before I got my absurdly cheap u-pass, I
/ bought monthly passes, and rode the bus EVERYWHERE. I have a car,
/ but I very seldom use it.

Absurdly cheap because it is tax-subsidized (heavilly). I recall reading
somewhere that if riders paid what it actually cost, it would be around
$6 for a ticket.

/ I am, however, generally in favor
/ of anything that will get people to drive less,

Raise gasoline taxes. It worked before (people used to drive a lot more
before the Arab oil embargo, and people drive much smaller cars now).
From: clbs@oscar (Christopher Pounds)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Transit system in Seattle (Re: Following distance Was (Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!))
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:12:19 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: oscar.stat.washington.edu

dxxb@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Barts) writes:
: I got to Denver and "WHAT?!?  Only ONE lousy bus route nearby with
: at least NINETY minutes between each bus?  And NO express routes
: to downtown at all??"  Needless to say, I rented a car the next
: day.
: 

Although Denver is not on a par with Portland or even Seattle, it does
have express bus service and many main arteries have busses come by
every 30 minutes during the day.  I took an express bus from the
University of Denver into downtown every morning in about the same
amount of time that it would take to drive it.

The problem that I had with Denver's service was that only one bus
serviced the Denver Technical Center/Inverness--a light industry
business park on the southern edge of the metro area--and its last run
was at 5:45.  The suburbs also did not have the bus service that is
needed to make them viable.

For a city with brown skies, Denver has a lot of work to do to clean
up its transit system.  

Chris Pounds
clbs@stat.washington.edu



Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: chips@eskimo.com (:crp:)
Subject: KJR change
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:29:27 GMT

What happened to the 'Groz' on KJR, and who is the guy in the 10-12 spot
now? Is Gastineau staying at 3-7 ?
From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Transit system in Seattle (Re: Following distance Was (Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!))
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:52:45 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma
Distribution: world
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: bambam.u.washington.edu

dxxb@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Barts) writes:
> Compared to most other cities of similar size, I'd have to say
> Seattle's mass transit is pretty good.

[description of abysmal system in Denver deleted]

> However, I would not give Metro the award for the best transit
> system.  Portland's Tri-Met is way ahead of us (PDX is smaller than
> Seattle, and ALREADY has a light rail system IN PLACE), and would
> probably get my award.
> 
> Maybe they gave Tri-Met the award for several years in a row, got
> bored, and decided to pick Metro just to change things a bit.

Maybe that's why I'm not impressed by Metro.  I grew up in Portland,
then lived in New York for a couple of years, and then back to Portland
before I ended up in Seattle.

-- 
Il Hwan Oh                              | "You live and learn.
Computer Facilities Manager             |   At any rate, you live."
University of Washington, Tacoma        |            -- Douglas Adams
iho@cac.washington.edu                  | 
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