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From: drmres27@ucs.usl.edu (Mejia Pablo)
Subject: Re: Looking for Perot people on Internet
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:11:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.203849.2978@cs.mcgill.ca> louis@cs.mcgill.ca (Louis LECLERC) writes:
>
>I'm looking for somebody / volunteer / student who is associated with
>the Perot movement (preferably a student of a Perot club at a US
>university). If you are such a person, could you please email me
>and include the name of the organization you represent as I would like
>to talk to you.
>
>Louis Leclerc
>
>louis@cs.mcgill.ca
>-- 
><><><>
>Deny you children a job...    ... buy imports!

 Me Too!!!!   But not at this address...please email me at

    astephen@nyx.cs.du.edu


 I am interested in starting a Perot organization at USL.

                Allen (not Pablo, he likes Clinton)


Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: bryant@neural.Kodak.COM (Steve Bryant)
Subject: Re: Is Perot serious?
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 16:30:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.144109.10048@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker) writes:
>James Stockdale is a LEADER not a politician, public speaker, or
>debator.  The other two showed themselves to be jus the opposite.
>

James Stockdale WAS a leader. I think age is catching up. Some of
his responses were just short of being completely incoherent.

One of the many requirements of being an effective leader is the 
ability to communicate your ideas to others. Mr. Stockdale per this
performance is clearly not capable of effective verbal communication.
To be quite honest, I cann`t believe that he is a college professor.
Does he actually lecture? What does his students have to say on
Mr. Stockdales ability to communicate?
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: tjg2946@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Hello...
Reply-To: tjg2946@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:19:57 GMT

	I am currently writing a paper for my english class about
each candidate's view on a certain issue... and I would like to know
what Perot's fax number is so I could give him a call to send his position
on each certain view.  reply by e-mail please.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo)
Subject: Let's Hear it For Stockdale!  (was Re: Stockdale's Style)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:00:41 GMT

YEAH!  Thanks for pointing that out anne.
I just wish the common people would look past public appearances
and look at the thoughts and issues at hand.  Just
because he has a hearing aid and stutters a bit doesnt make hima fool.
I think the guy was fabulous.  But I know that the general public
probably wont, they are just interestedin who looked better.
Oh, well, Let's try to eductate them!!!


Derek


From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:44:09 GMT
Subject: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot

              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

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3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
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4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
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6.) How old are you?
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7.) What religion are you?
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8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: walker@superman.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker)
Subject: Re: Is Perot serious?
Followup-To: alt.politics.perot
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:52:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.163049.2729@kodak.kodak.com> bryant@neural.Kodak.COM (Steve Bryant) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.144109.10048@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker) writes:
>>James Stockdale is a LEADER not a politician, public speaker, or
>>debator.  The other two showed themselves to be jus the opposite.
>>
>
>James Stockdale WAS a leader. I think age is catching up. Some of
>his responses were just short of being completely incoherent.
>
>One of the many requirements of being an effective leader is the 
>ability to communicate your ideas to others. Mr. Stockdale per this
>performance is clearly not capable of effective verbal communication.
>To be quite honest, I cann`t believe that he is a college professor.
>Does he actually lecture? What does his students have to say on
>Mr. Stockdales ability to communicate?

ADMIRAL Stockdale was obviously very nervous about being in the national
spotlight for the first time.  I debated in high school among other
things and I will tell you that being in front of an audience is very
unnerving.  Think how well you would have done if it had been you up
there.

Doug
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: walker@superman.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker)
Subject: Re: Is Perot serious?
Reply-To: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:08:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.121510.26724@kodak.kodak.com>, bryant@neural.Kodak.COM (Steve Bryant) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct15.015210.1241@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, walker@superman.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker) writes:
|> >>One of the many requirements of being an effective leader is the 
|> >>ability to communicate your ideas to others. Mr. Stockdale per this
|> >>performance is clearly not capable of effective verbal communication.
|> >>To be quite honest, I cann`t believe that he is a college professor.
|> >>Does he actually lecture? What does his students have to say on
|> >>Mr. Stockdales ability to communicate?
|> >
|> >ADMIRAL Stockdale was obviously very nervous about being in the national
|> >spotlight for the first time. 
|> 
|> Unfortunately for Adm. Stockdale, being in the national spotlight 
|> comes with the job of being vice-president. This is no time for on
|> the job training. I expect my leaders to come prepared for the job.
|> By the way, I believe that Perot is prepared for the job, but not his 
|> vice-presidential choice.
|> 

Again I will ask how much of the VP's job is debate?  How much of a
Presidents job is debate?  None except in an election year.

If you want debate skills to be a job qualification for President then
there are people who could cut up any of the people we have seen so far.
These guys would make Dano's performance look like kids stuff.  I think
that if it came down to a crisis situation where the VP has had to take
the reigns of state and make some immediate critical decisions I can not
see Dan Quayle or Al Gore being any more qualified.  In fact I think
they are significantly less qualified.

|> > I debated in high school among other
|> >things and I will tell you that being in front of an audience is very
|> >unnerving.  Think how well you would have done if it had been you up
|> >there.
|> >
|> >Doug
|> 
|> I don`t think that my personal abilities as a speaker are relevent,
|> but I believe that I could have articulated my positions better than
|> Adm. Stockdale. 

Sure they are.  Adm. Stockdale is not a professional politician, neither
are you, (you seem to intelligent).

Doug

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: rocko@ireland.ssc.gov (Rick O'leary)
Subject: Next 30-min. Perot / FAX #
Organization: 8-Track Museum of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:53:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.180303.1222@rational.com>, msmiller@Rational.COM (Mark Miller) writes:
|> Does anyone know when the next 30-minute Perot presentation is going
|> to be?
|> 
|> This is one thing I wish he'd do better - put on some 30-second spots
|> telling when the 30-minute one is.
|> 
|> While I'm asking questions ...
|> 
|> Anyone know the Fax number for Perot's campaign HQ?
|> 
|> 	-MSM
|> 
|> ________________________________________________________________________
|> Mark S. Miller                                     msmiller@Rational.COM
|> "Life is a 4-letter word."                        msmiller@world.std.com
|> [ insert tedious disclaimer drivel here ]                           IV-Q

FAX number @ H.Q. (214) 716-6552

Fri. Oct. 16 8:30pm - 9:00pm EST on NBC

Sat. Oct. 17 6:00pm - 8:00pm EST on ABC ( Yes one hour time slot )

Your welcome,

Rocko
From: mikem@county.lmt.mn.org
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: The flies know where it's at
Keywords: Bush-dead Perot Clinton debate
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:52:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: LaserMaster Corp.

Did anyone notice the fly crawling around on our President's nice suit during
the debate? Methinx that this bright little arthropod was sending us a message.
Everyone knows what flies are attracted to...  In this case there must have
been a veritable cornucopia of smells to choose from - BAD idea to start
slinging mud, but perhaps there's nothing else left to sling. 
In any case it is apparent to me that the next president of this country will
be someone other than Mr. Bush. Darn glad about that. I also prefer Mr. Perot's
candor to the polished and practiced Democratic rhetoric thank you. Most of the
people I know feel this way too. I'll gladly pay $.50 a gallon more for gas,
etc. to help out. I have a baby due any day and I want him or her to have a
country that isn't bankrupt to grow up in. Clinton said that we had to wait to
get control of the deficit. Wait until when? When debt service equals tax
revenue? NO I think this better get handled NOW.	Perot
92!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MikeM								|	Usual disclaimer about this not being	
10.12.92									|	the opinion of my employers.
									|	Look elsewhere for fun or humor
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig)
Subject: Re: Is Perot serious?
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:54:28 GMT
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streb@ee.rochester.edu (Chuck S.) writes:

>>Again I will ask how much of the VP's job is debate?  How much of a
>>Presidents job is debate?  None except in an election year.
>>
>>Doug
>Doug , and I ask You who Is the Chairman of the Senate?

I am not Doug, but I will jump on this one...

Since when does the Chairperson of the Senate have to be a good debator?
Have you ever had the priveledge of watching Dan Quayle debating in the Senate?
The Chairperson's job is to open/close the sessions and vote in case of a tie.
This person is never involved in a "debate".

still undecided, but leaning...
Mark
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: dtiberio@csws18.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: C-SPAN POST-DEBATE POLL
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:18:11 GMT

In article <Bw2Dt0.46K@news.larc.nasa.gov> rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov (Michael W. Rowland) writes:

>I noticed the same thing, so I began a tally.  As it turns out,
>callers were in favor of Perot by a 2:1 margin over either
>Bush or Clinton.  Roughly 25 calls were for Perot while Clinton
>and Bush got about 10 a piece.  Marou got 2 and 5 or 6 were
>still undecided...interesting...
>
>Does this say something about C-SPAN watchers or does it say
>something else?
>

	Sure, Perot used his financial influence to buy high-speed dialing
telephones for his supporters, and they were able to dial in much quicker.
As some might say...

	Obviously the above was a joke; typical response by a Bush/Quayl
supporter.


-- 
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    "I don't have any experience in running up a 4 trillion dollar debt."
From: whare@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Views on Debate Just Passed - Typo
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:23:42 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

	Sorry, meant to say ever-worsening PLANET!

		Steve, learn how to spell, Hare.-- 
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                                                  ...Richard*GRAPHIC*Design...
                                                  ...Antony R Hare............ 
                                                  ...President................
                                                  ...whare@ac.dal.ca..........
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                                                  .......everything...........
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: canaan@u.washington.edu (Always a rainbow)
Subject: repost United we stand?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 07:13:08 GMT

I will email it to u,  saves some bandwidth
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: geh@cs.nott.ac.uk (Gavin Edward Hutchinson)
Subject: Perot campaign posters
Reply-To: geh@cs.nott.ac.uk ()
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 13:57:31 GMT

A friend who does not have Internet access has a favour to ask....

As part of a course he is doing he has to do a speach on the current campaign
for US president. In order to spruce it up he wants to have campaign posters
of Bush, Clinton and of course Perot in the background ... apparently he thinks
this might gain him some extra credit marks or someting. Anyway he has managed
to find Bush and Clinton posters but has had no luck with Perot. Does anyone 
have an address where he could send a few dollars (or even better pounds) and
get a Perot poster. He needs this quite soon (the speach is on Nov 2nd).
If anyone can help please reply to me at:-

	geh@cs.nott.ac.uk

and I will pass on the info.

Thanks in advance

Gavin and especially Duncan.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig)
Subject: Re: 1-800-925-1300
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:09:37 GMT
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rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux) writes:

>>Please explain to me how someone who had never ANNOUNCED his candidacy
>>could pull out?  

>This is an issue of semantics, at best; if he wasn't a candidate, why
>did he feel the need to announce the fact that he wasn't running?
>The bottom line is this: after telling his "volunteers" that he would
>run if they got him on the ballot in all 50 states, he reneged.  That
>he came back later and ultimately fulfilled his word is regarded by 
>many of his former supporters (including me) as a face-saving measure
>as much as anything else.

If you continue to claim that he would run if the volunteers got him on
the ballot in all 50 states, then he did exactly what he said.  Arizona
was the last state to confirm the petitions.  I believe that date was
7-10 days before his "October surprise".

Mark
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: canaan@u.washington.edu (Always a rainbow)
Subject: The VP debate
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:24:49 GMT

I think it's only fair to point out that James Bond Stockdale seemed to be  
articulate. He gave the best non-rehearsed reponses. He was just WAY TOO  
nervous.
He performed a lot better the next morning on "Good morning America", and  
I am sure even if he was to debate in front of the senate he would do  
well. Don't ever think mod-slinging, finger-pointing like what the other 2  
clowns did in tuesday's debate is good debating skill. It's why the  
government is in gridlock. (just to quote 007 himself :)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: lestrade@Ra.MsState.Edu (John Patrick Lestrade)
Subject: Where to get Perot Paraphenalia?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:11:25 GMT

Does anyone know where I can get my hands on bumper stickers, pins,
etc for Perot here in Mississippi?  thanks

--
John Patrick Lestrade, PhD        
cnesta::lestrade
lestrade@ra.msstate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker)
Subject: Re: life-long republican
Reply-To: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:12:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.124622.7316@iscsvax.uni.edu>, fay@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
|> If the reason to vote for Perot is because he represents change, then there is
|> an even better reason not to vote for him.  
|> 
|> GHWBush is clearly not the one to change things.  Yet, every vote that is not
|> cast for Clinton is helping Bush and Quayle to stay in office for four more
|> years.
|> 
|> Besides, how much different will it be to exchange one life-long republican for
|> another?
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 

How will it be better to replace one life-long politician with another?

Doug
From: benjamin@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Benjamin Renaud)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: All deficits are not created equal.
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:53:57 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <1992Oct9.182537.14739@hubcap.clemson.edu> hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:
>X25iM01@JUTS
>Organization: Clemson University
>Lines: 8
>
>>Good question!  I'm suprised this isn't asked more often.  About 25% of the
>>debt is owed to foreign investors, Govts of Germany, Japan, and individuals
>>such as the Emir of Kuwait, etc..

Well. Ross Perot says we have nothing to show for our 4 trillion debt.
Not so. How is -Kuwait- going to enforce debt collection with the
superb military we invested in? So actually the deficit is 3
trillions, not 4....Now, if the governement files under chapter 11
before Clinton gets inaugurated...

BJBR


Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe)
Subject: Perot and gridlock (was Re: 1-800-925-1300)
Summary: What do we really want, anyway?
Organization: Datapoint Corporation, San Antonio, TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:27:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.172444.2736@news.columbia.edu> rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux) writes:
>
>Ah, but that's precisely the point: YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR A CEO.
>YOU ARE, MOST ASSUREDLY, LIKE IT OR NOT, VOTING FOR A HEAD POLITICIAN,
>a man whose job description is to work with other politicians to run
>the government.  Perot shows evidence of being a brilliant CEO, and
>if the election were for one omnipotent politician, I'd more than 
>likely cast my vote for him.
>
>But it's not!  Perot can't simply declare his budget, and magically
>shall it become law!  There's this little technicality called CONGRESS,
>and until Perot shows signs of being able to work *with* them, playing
>the political game that by definition must be played by the President
>of the United States, I can't vote for him without thinking that what
>I'm really voting for is four more years of gridlock.

Even some Perot bashers here on the Internet have admitted that Perot 
has a disarming style, and that he appeals to people through his 
"common sense" approach to problems and solutions.

My memory is not perfect, but I don't remember too many cases were 
Ronald Reagan was foiled by a recalcitrant Congress when he went over 
their head, addressing the American voters directly.  If anything, I 
see Perot as potentially MORE effective in this regard than was Reagan.

As has been stated before by others, the real meaning of the Perot
candidacy is summed up by the slogan "Take your country back!".
Ross Perot, being outside of the partisan machinations of the
Republicrats, is your best chance to see this happen.

Consider at least the psychological effect on the established
parties.  If an independent can win the WHITE HOUSE, it's
possible a, *gasp*, Libertarian could win my seat in Congress!

The biggest problem with American politics is that once seated,
members of Congress have little to fear regarding losing that
seat.  A Perot victory could, once and for all, eliminate this
complacency and we'd see some accountibility in Congress.  

Isn't that what we all want, really?

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: edmondse@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: New impressions of Adm Stockdale
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:39:23 GMT

Regarding the vice presidential debate, I feel it would be quite
interesting to take a survey of people's reactions to Adm. Stockdale now
that the dust has settled and we have all had a chance to reflect upon
exactly what went on and what was said.

I must admit my initial reaction to Adm Stockdale during the debate was
something along the lines of "Oh no, someone please get that man out of 
there."  Interestingly enough, I now feel that it showed a good amount of
courage to stand there with seasoned politicians who have been honing their
rhetorical skills throughout the last six months or so.

Obviously, Adm Stockdale knows he is not an effective public speaker and 
this knowledge must have made his trip up to that podium all the more daunting.
I feel he acted admirably (no pun intended) in accepting this challenge. He 
did it not for glory or personal gain. Quite the contrary, he did just as he
has everything in his past: he did for his country and because of a loyalty
he feels towards Mr. Perot.  

Now that people have had time to sit back a think about the choice or Adm
Stockdale, I would be very curious to hear if his suitability for the job is
is in question or if like myself they feel ashamed of rashly dismissing this 
man based upon superficial and ultimately trivial terms.

I learned today from an article published in the Boston Globe that Adm
Stockdale suffered his hearing loss from flying Navy jet aircraft.  Again
I misconstrued his have to wear a hearing aid as a sign he was too old or 
frail to take the strain of being VP.  In reality his hearing was impaired
as a young man flying into the dangerous skies above Hanoi.  Compared to Mr.
Qualye, who has been pictured smirking in his Indiana National Uniform stateside,
and Mr.
Clinton who is pictured as a bearded student in England, Adm Stockdale doesn't
look quite of the same caliber. Indeed that is why as time has passed since the
debate I have come to regard the man as what he is not what the polished media 
would have me believe he should be.



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