HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cee1@ra.msstate.edu (Charles Evans)
Subject: Re: Snoball fight and nudes
Summary: Sessums Hall Race to the Pole, Mississippi State Univ 
Keywords: Freshmen, nude, race, police 
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 08:19:18 GMT

>>There is one university in the eastern Midwest (east of Mississippi, west of 
>>Philadelphia) that holds a nude race each year.  The participants must run 
>>nude around a quad.  The police usually catch quite a few.  I read this in "U",
Well [lots deleted], here at MSU for as many years as I can remember, me
being a 4th year senior, whoever/group/persons from the Freshman male dorm
Sessums Hall have a 'run to the flagpole' every fall semester, where the
group runs naked to the flagpole in the middle of the drill field, quite a
distance away. I think the University Police has cracked down, and I am
not sure if they did it this year, but I would bet they did. .. Any other
Universities?

-- 

      Charles E. Evans | This nation is in decay because we are more 
   cee1@ra.msstate.edu |  concerned with RIGHTS and LAWS instead of
cevans@abe.msstate.edu |             RIGHTS and WRONGS.
From: guest@veronica.cs.wisc.edu (Guest account)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: OMAR???
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:43:14 GMT
Reply-To: petlock@turing.org
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

jeezushchristgawdno!
No more omar.
No more Rose-Hulman High School.
Heard enough and seen enough to last a lifetime.  Take it to e-mail!

-tim

petlock@turing.org
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Denise M. Boudria)
Subject: OMAR???
Organization: Raytheon Submarine Signal Division
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:00:45 GMT

Hey, you guys won't believe this but over the Christmas break, I 
met a step-cousin (if there is such a thing) who knows Omar (and 
this was in Massachusetts). Pretty freaky.  He was quite shocked 
to learn that I knew all about Omar.  I thought it was pretty cool.
He basically described Omar pretty much the same as everyone
else.  So where are all the good Omar-like stories???  You don't
have to name names just post the amusing stories and make up a
name.  Personally, I've never been to college (full-time, that is)
so I don't have any real stories to tell, but I do work with some
really dorky college graduates (does that count???).

Denise

P.S. For you Rose-Hulman guys, my step-cousin is Eric Brodeur if
anyone knows him.  I know his account name but need a full email 
address so we can keep in touch.  Thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: thall@ducvax.auburn.edu (Teresa Hall)
Subject: Re: OMAR???
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Auburn University--Auburn, AL
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 04:33:00 GMT

In article <1hsqrtINNt6q@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, cheesmna@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes...
>In article <guest.725661794@cs.wisc.edu>, guest@veronica.cs.wisc.edu (Guest account) writes:

>>Heard enough and seen enough to last a lifetime.  Take it to e-mail!
>>
>>-tim

 >And why do people alway say "Take it to e-mail!"  I don't think I've ever seen
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>it done. (just an aside)
 ^^^^^^^
> 
>Allen
> 
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>May joy and innocence prevail.  -- Kenneth L. Zebo  "Toys"
>                      cheesmna@hydra.rose-hulman.edu
>Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.  --  Buckaroo Banzai
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 
   Yes, after all, isn't that the POINT?!? <g>

   Teresa
From: cheesmna@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: OMAR???
Date: 30 Dec 1992 18:47:25 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Reply-To: cheesmna@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

In article <guest.725661794@cs.wisc.edu>, guest@veronica.cs.wisc.edu (Guest account) writes:
>jeezushchristgawdno!
>No more omar.
>No more Rose-Hulman High School.
>Heard enough and seen enough to last a lifetime.  Take it to e-mail!
>
>-tim
>
>petlock@turing.org

Funny, it's Christmas break, everybody went home for break (I live 20 minutes
from campus), I don't recall a Rose student posting anything (unless the REALLY
felt a need to blow money on a call by modem)  Geez people, the Omar flamewar
was cute at first, rapidly became an exercise in redundant stupidity, and has
faded into the sordid past of alt.folklore.college.  Don't spaz out just
because someone said he knows someone who knows Omar.

And why do people alway say "Take it to e-mail!"  I don't think I've ever seen
it done. (just an aside)

Allen

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
May joy and innocence prevail.  -- Kenneth L. Zebo  "Toys"
                      cheesmna@hydra.rose-hulman.edu
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.  --  Buckaroo Banzai
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: puerile@wam.umd.edu (Mohan R. Ramanathan)
Subject: Inventor Dudes
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:08:30 GMT

My brother and I have a running dispute over the inventor of the 
bar-code scanner system used for inventory control in supermarkets, etc.
He ( a Drexel Alum ) claims it was solely invented by a Drexel Prof
at Drexel University ( in Philadelphia, PA ). I , however, recall
reading an article about one of the co-inventors either attending the
University of Maryland as a student or as a prof (I am a Maryland alumus).
Can someone settle this dispute for us?
				Thanks
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
From: d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Denise M. Boudria)
Subject: Re: OMAR???
Organization: Raytheon Submarine Signal Division
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:23:35 GMT

In article <1hsqrtINNt6q@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> cheesmna@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>In article <guest.725661794@cs.wisc.edu>, guest@veronica.cs.wisc.edu (Guest account) writes:
>>jeezushchristgawdno!
>>No more omar.
>>No more Rose-Hulman High School.
>>Heard enough and seen enough to last a lifetime.  Take it to e-mail!
>>
>>-tim
>>
>>petlock@turing.org
>
>Funny, it's Christmas break, everybody went home for break (I live 20 minutes
>from campus), I don't recall a Rose student posting anything (unless the REALLY
>felt a need to blow money on a call by modem)  Geez people, the Omar flamewar
>was cute at first, rapidly became an exercise in redundant stupidity, and has
>faded into the sordid past of alt.folklore.college.  Don't spaz out just
>because someone said he knows someone who knows Omar.
>
>And why do people alway say "Take it to e-mail!"  I don't think I've ever seen
>it done. (just an aside)
>
>Allen
>
Thanks Allen for a positive response!  I didn't say we had to start a flame
war again, only that I liked the "Omar-like" stories (face it, everyone knows
one).  I don't see Omar stories as any different than the stupid user stories
they tell over on Alt.folklore.computers.  If you are really offended by the
use of Omar's name then we can call them stupid geek stories (there, feel 
better now).

Denise

P.S.  Sorry Allen if this sounds like I'm flaming you, I'm not, I'm actually
flaming Tim.  If you insist, I will take it to e-mail (like I would really
reply to someone's e-mail flame - ha! ha!).


>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>May joy and innocence prevail.  -- Kenneth L. Zebo  "Toys"
>                      cheesmna@hydra.rose-hulman.edu
>Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.  --  Buckaroo Banzai
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: OMAR???
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:28:17 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <guest.725661794@cs.wisc.edu>, guest@veronica (Guest account) writes:
>jeezushchristgawdno!
>No more omar.
>No more Rose-Hulman High School.
>Heard enough and seen enough to last a lifetime.  Take it to e-mail!

Hear, hear!

When that whole Omar shit-storm first started, I unsubscribed a.f.c
because it had become a useless waste of band-width.  I have just
recently come back in the hope that this group is once more interesting
to read.  Please don't disappoint me.  Thank you.

ObCollegeFolklore: my undergrad school colors were Blue and Gold.
  Apparently, whomever was in charge of such things was fresh out of
  animal ideas, and so the team name was "BluGolds".

-- 
What signature?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Apple IIGS being discontinued Dec 1992
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:11:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.102829.26242@u.washington.edu> whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) writes:
> In article <9212162327.54@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
> >When the Mac ships with a real command line shell, then maybe some people
> >will look on it more favorably.

> 	Macintoshes are shipping with TWO command line shells; one
> with Unix (A/UX) and the other with MPW (Macintosh Programmer's Workshop).

I haven't seen a single Mac *shipped* with either of these programs. Certainly
they're not a standard part of the system as you get it at BizCompExpress or
whatever hole-in-the-wall you get your computers at.

> Neither command line shell has had any effect on 'some people',
> that I can perceive.

Depends on which "some people" you're talking about. The ones buying Amigas,
or more recently DOS PCs with Windows. I'm sure they outnumber Mac owners by
now.

> 	And most Macintosh users don't see any great merit in the
> command line idea, anyway.  Why should they?

Well, they seem to like bitching that this or that PD program (usually
Ghostscript) hasn't been ported to the Mac yet. There's a clue out there
for the folks willing to get it.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi tnn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, tm ateria el viel.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Subject: Re: Is 4004 the first microprocessor ?
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:42:48 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <1992Dec23.110943.610@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, by mohan@tulip.cse.utoledo.edu (Mohan Pakkurti):
> Is the Intel 4004 the first microprocessor ?

I believe so.  I remember studying it back in 1972-1973 in the computer
architecture course I took from John Grayson and Sam Fuller at Carnegie
Mellon.  Unfortunately, I don't have my notes from the course, but if I
remember correctly, the 4004 had a 4 bit word, and was designed to handle
digit serial decimal arithmetic.  Instructions were two or three words
long, and memory addressing was awkward, with free addressing within the
current memory field, and awkward addressing needed to get out of the field
or jump to a different field -- this sounds like a clear anticipation of
the 8086, actually.

As I understand it, huge numbers of 4004 processors went into such things
as cash registers.
				Doug Jones
				jones@cs.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Subject: Re: Binary clock for X Windows.
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:35:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.182200.9740@ee.ryerson.ca> elf@ee.ryerson.ca (luis  
fernandes) writes:
> How 'bout one written in PostScript; sure you'd have to go
> pick-up hardcopy every time you wanted to know the time & it
> would consume enormous amounts of paper if you wanted updates
> every second, but you'll have to agree it'd be really neat...

Actually, I wrote one, but there's no (standard) way to
get real-time in PostScript. :-(  I was going to use it on
burst sheets. 

ab
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: What is so greate about the PDP 10?
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:37:32 GMT

In article <15888357@zl2tnm.gen.nz> don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes) writes:

>
>The 11/60 was arguably the largest PDP-8 -- the WPS-8 development team
>allegedly used one with custom microcode in the WCS to emulate an -8,
>while letting them do development under RSTS or RSX or whatever they used.
>
Well, not the largest, but certainly the fastest from DEC.

Anyone got any ideas as to how to build a faster one, and what kind of logic
to use today to accomplish it?  (PAL's, GA's, bit-slice, etc.?)

cjl
From: dboyes@is.rice.edu (David E Boyes)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Apple IIGS being discontinued Dec 1992
Date: 26 Dec 92 22:08:35 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Dec16.180320.13556@gallant.apple.com> cheryl@gallant.apple.com (Cheryl Lins) writes:

>Now, do you want to know a _really_ Dumb Idea? Produce a new personal
>computer running a brand new computer chip and a new OS and don't have any
>application software to run on it at introduction (let alone thousands of
>software titles).Apple engineers are not that dumb. Even Apple managers aren't
>that dumb. :-)

As others have pointed out, perhaps a better way to phrase this
might be: "Apple engineers are not that dumb. Even Apple managers
aren't dumb enough to make the same mistake twice."



-- 
David Boyes      In the event I am captured or killed, Rice University
dboyes@rice.edu  and the Office of Networking and Computing Systems
                 will deny any knowledge of my opinions.
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.computers:18405 sci.math:17480 comp.compression:4264
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,sci.math,comp.compression
Subject: Re:  Compressing decimal expansion of pi (was Re: PI)
From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Date: 29 Dec 92 11:38:22 GMT+12
 <1992Dec27.133611.3281@pollux.lu.se> <1992Dec27.150934.24664@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
Distribution: world
Organization: Muppet Labs

In article <1992Dec27.150934.24664@ultb.isc.rit.edu> bmb1021@ultb.isc.rit.edu (B.M. Buck) writes:
>In article <1992Dec27.133611.3281@pollux.lu.se> magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson) writes:
>>
>>This thread started out in alt.folklore.computers, so I was perhaps
>>not 100% serious, but - seriously speaking - "compressing" the decimal
>>expansion of pi by replacing it with an algorithm for generating N
>>digits of pi is of course a very good method for compressing pi, but
>>it's a lousy method for compressing a random sequence of digits.
>>
>It's a very good method of compressing a random sequence of digits.  All
>you need for the compressor is a program to examine the sequence of
>digits, and devise an algorithm that will produce that sequence (that is
>shorter than the original sequence, that is...).  That is the tricky
>part :-).  For pi, it's easy only because we already know many
>algorithms that will compute pi to N digits.  For arandom string of
>1,000,000 digits, it'll be more difficult.

It's easy to prove that this is impossible. Say you're trying to compress a
string of 20 bits. There are a million such strings (give or take a few), but
only half a million strings with 19 or less bits. So, regardless of what sort
of compression scheme you use, no more than half of those 20-bit strings can
be compressed by even one bit.

Real compression utilities take advantage of the fact that real data is
hardly ever random. If the data is truly random, no general-purpose
compression algorithm is possible.


--
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"I blame you for the moonlit sky and the dream that died with the Eagle's flight
I blame you for the moonlit nights when I wonder why are the seas still dry
Don't blame me, sleeping satellite"                              (Tasmin Archer)

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Apple IIGS being discontinued Dec 1992
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 01:21:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.234439.28001@datamark.co.nz> thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:
> I promise not to snigger while watching you copy 50 of 100 files out
> of one directory into another where there is no easily expressed
> pattern as to the names of the files you want moved.

Bring up a list of files (in an editor), delete the ones you don't want
to move, move the rest.

Or, maybe I'm moving the files that contain certain information. That's OK:
I can use a CLI to operate on files based on what's in them as well as their
names.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi tnn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, tm ateria el viel.
From: esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Worlds wierdest system crash!
Date: 25 Dec 92 04:10:06 GMT

In <1992Dec22.084501.17223@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Simon E. Booth wrote:
> I don't know how familliar people are with this story, but I was once told
> that the computer term 'bug' actually was derived from an incident in the
> early or mid-50's in which a dead moth shorted out a magnetic drum.

No!  NO!  NOOOOOO!  Not "The Return of the Infinite First-Computer-Bug Thread"!
AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Simon.  Run, do not walk, to your nearest FTP site.  Snarf a copy of
jargon2910.ascii from prep.ai.mit.edu (same place the GNU sources live).  Read
the "bug" entry.  And stop spreading #%@$%! hearsay that will mutate into
another 0xff versions of a twisty little folklore story, all different.
-- 
					Eric S. Raymond <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: andrew@mks.com (Andrew Hamilton-Wright)
Subject: Re: Worlds wierdest system crash!
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:09:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.004926.14876@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser") writes:
>delusion@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Albert Schmezer) writes:
>>
>>     I was able to bypass the power supply on the C64 by just leaving it on
>>for about 5 hours. The entire SYSTEM malfunctioned. It was pretty funny.
>
>Huh.  You must've had a lousy machine.  I used to leave mine on for days at a
>time, doing elaborate number-crunching stuff.  After about an hour, though,
>the disk drive heated up enough to change the alignment a little or something,
>and copy-protected games wouldn't work anymore.  So I had to play Zork in
>one-hour installments.
>

I used to have and equally defective machine - after I had it about a year,
the thing would just go totally squirrley after about a one hour run.  I
remember putting frozen meat on the power supply during a big run to keep
the temp low enough to finish the session (and incidentally thaw some steak
for dinner - now THAT's multitasking!)

Oh, the bad old days.

Hey - anyone else find the truly fiendish bug in the C=64 that the same
bus is used to pass the sprite location AND do disk addressing (took me
months to figure out why one program I had would occassionally, randomly
lock up, but would run fine 9 times out of 10 - the bloody thing was
overwriting the handshake from the drive and then waiting, forever, without
interrupt)

Ahh.   Unix.

:)
-andrew
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From: hal@caty.north.de (Holger Lubitz)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: CLI/GUI wars (was Re: Apple IIGS being discontinued...)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1993 08:24:33 GMT
Organization: Not organized - at least not too well...
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00

In article <1993Jan1.230350.22504@mail.cornell.edu>, Christopher A. Wolf writes:

> If you are basing your observations on any pre-2.0 Amiga GUI than I
> would agree with you.  The current 2.0 or 3.0 Amiga WorkBench environment
> is 10x nicer than the old 1.3 or before versions.

I second that. The look and feel of Workbench 2.0 and up has changed so much
that comparing old versions wouldn't be fair. It's a lot like the step from
Windows 2.x to Windows 3.x - nobody would even bother with Windows 2.x anymore,
and that's true for Workbench 1.x, too.

But since Workbench 2.0 has been available since 1990, I hardly believe that
the original poster really based his comparision on a pre-2.0 Workbench.

> > Which leads to my final question: Which system offers the best of both worlds
> > (besides Patrick Stewart's personal OS) of the GUI and CLI?
>
> Well I like the Amiga for this reason - it is one of the few systems
> that ships with both a GUI and CLI environment standard and where both
> are approximately balanced in terms of functionality.

And that's why I like my Amiga, too...

Holger

--
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert)
Subject: Re: Number of numbers (Was Re: PI)
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 01:40:06 GMT

kst@telesoft.com (Keith Thompson @pulsar) writes:

>Here's a fun little paradox:

>Each integer can be described by a finite string of ASCII characters.
>What is the smallest positive integer not describable by a string of
>100 or fewer ASCII characters?  Isn't this integer described by the
>string "the smallest positive integer not describable by a string of
>100 or fewer ASCII characters"?

Doesn't look like a pardox at all.  The answer is the first question seems to
me to be: (assuming a set of 128 ASCII characters)

1 (the null string) + 128 (128 different 1 character strings) + 128^2 (that
many different two character strings) + ... + 128^100.

The answer to the second question is no, because that string would already be
reserved for some number in the set 128^90.

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: Daryl_Spitzer@mindlink.bc.ca (Daryl Spitzer)
Subject: Re: Apple IIGS being discontinued Dec 1992
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 18:59:05 GMT

P. J. Remner (aj923@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) writes:

> You mean that the disk drives and the power is SOFTWARE controlled, too?
> Jeez, no WONDER my aunt, why can't even find the brights switch on the car
> she's owned for 9 years, can use a Mac.  Sheesh!  How wimpy can you get?

It sounds like Apple has done something right.  Making a computer easy enough
to be used by the average layman isn't wimpy, it should be the goal of all of
us.  And as far as I can tell, Apple has come closer to this goal than anyone
else.  (But yes, there's still a LONG way to go.  I'm looking forward to
document oriented interfaces.)

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