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From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: '85 Hesketh Vampire for sale
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:15:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <72230@apple.Apple.COM> thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson) writes:
>Well, not really, but I couldn't get over some of the
>names of motorcycles I found thumbing thru the blue book.
>
>Strociek Aluminum Fireball
>Owosso Pulse
>Maico Spider
>Bultaco Astro
>
>and who could ever forget the Grycner Baron Von Grutzner
>or the Hodak Toad?!

    Scott Flying Squirrel
    Flying Merkel
    Pierce Arrow
    DKW       (Das Kleine Wunder -- The Little Wonder)
    Victoria Bergmeister
    Harley-Davidson Topper
    Moto Guzzi Gambalunghino (Little Long Leg)
    AJS Porcupine
    AJS Racer Boy
   
And all the funny names of Japan-only models translated literally, i.e.
    Yamaha "Whirling Dolphin"
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Car driver with a Clue!
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:31:32 GMT

dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.180934.17351@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:

>>Did he speed up during commercials, or just change channels? :-)

>  I intended to hang around right in his blind spot long enough to
>find out.  Really I did.

I hope you didn't pass him. Putting yourself in front of him would be
putting yourself right in his blind spot! Then again, it sounds like his
blind spot measured about 360 degrees. :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re:  What's a "stroker"
Distribution: world
Date: 5 Sep 92 09:21:19 EDT
Organization: W. R. Slack

Chris Walsh sez:
>Probably not.  You can increase the displacement of an engine by increasing 
>either its bore (diameter of cylinders) or its stroke (length of cyls) or
>both.  Overboring a block, I imagine, amounts to boring the block out some
>and dropping in new sleeves.  I've wondered about increasing the stroke:
>I figure it's done by dropping on new cyl. heads and whatever the doohickey
>is called that connects the piston to the crankshaft.  Can anybody fill
>me in on the technical details here?

The stroke of the engine is determined by the distance from the crankshaft
throw at the top of its rotational path (TDC for the corresponding piston)
to position of the throw 180 degrees rotation away (BDC for the piston).
Stroking (increasing the stroke) is accomplished by replacing the crankshaft
with one with longer throws. The length of the connecting rod does not
affect the stroke.

- Bill
__
wrs@gozer.mv.com (Bill Slack)  DoD #430
But her tears were shed in vain and her every word was lost
In the rumble of his engine and the smoke from his exhaust! Oo..o&o
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: vanity plates
Date: 15 Sep 92 06:00:30 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Monday September 14 1992 21:43, Benjamin Sloss wrote to All:

 >>> Anybody out there have personalized plates?
 >> My favorite is still
 >> RICE ETR
 >> Seen on a very clean Sportster ...

 BS> I have a sneaking suspicion that, were I to put 'HOG EATR' on my 900RR,
 BS> the bike would have a *very* short lifespan on a public street.  Ah,
 BS> well.

I agree. I see the RICE ETR plate, follow it into the mountains, and blow
it away. Sitting at the meeting place with helmet off, gloves off, jacket
off, cig lit, along comes RICE ETR. Finally! HAR HAR HAR HAR, so much for
boasting on the license plate. ;-)

If I put HOG EATR on ma moto's plate, some neanderthal would knock her over
out of spite. But none would EVER race her in the mountains! Besides, HOG
EATR wouldn't be appropriate, since it isn't much of a contest.

Hogs are great bikes, but they can't hold a candle to a real sportbike when
it comes to racetrack-level performance.

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
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John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
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From: dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka)
Subject: Re: Not so Swift.
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 22:58:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep4.183505.2537@colorado.edu> laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
>In article <6439@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, ranck@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>|> Scott Cooper (scooper@cse.ucsc.edu) wrote:
>|> : 	So I checked what the FAQ had to say, and having read this
>|> : group for a mere couple of months, the clues lead me right to the

>|>   Gee, it took me all of 10 minutes, without the FAQ.
>
>SO? took me a lot less time then that.

  Yeah?  Well however long that was, it took me even less time!
  I just asked for a big number...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: impact speed (was Fatal motorcycle accident ...)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:19:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.162440.11976@bcars6a8.bnr.ca>, keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan) writes...
>In article <9SEP199222121286@erich.triumf.ca> ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) writes:
>> The second concerns what type of helmet he was wearing; given a postulated 
>> speed of 80 km/h (the norm in a 60 zone) I would be surprised that he 
>> would sustain severe head injuries if he was wearing a good full-face helmet.
> 
>You underestimate the force involved in an impact.  I saw an
>excellent demonstration of a 5mph impact a couple of summers ago.
>The OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) had a device like a car cab
>set up wherein a person could be securely fastened, and then
>rolled down an incline to come to a jarring stop at the bottom.
>The incline was perhaps 15~ and the distance travelled was perhaps
>5 metres.  Tooth-rattling!  If fences or car-bodies didn't deform,
>we would be a trouble.
> 
	Having been involved in a few impacts around the speeds I postulated,
I have some idea of the forces involved.  I don't know how many of you saw
Noboru Ueda's crash last year, in Italy I think.  He slid out in a corner
and tumbled maybe 100 m, touching down every 5 or 10 before coming up hard
against a concrete wall, taking much of the impact with his helmet.  At very
much more than 15 mph.  Sure, he didn't get up and walk away, but he was racing 
again a few weeks later.  Anyway, the thing that still interests me about the
accident in question is that Castellazzi was reported as having "schweren
Kopfverletzungen" -- which I take to mean "severe head injuries" rather than
"brain damage" -- and I would like to find out just why.

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484
Spagthorpe: a mythical English village, home to a cohort of artisans capable
of producing, from ignoble starting materials, complex and wondeful mechanisms
of ultimately questionable utility [SPAG(YRIC) alchemy + THORP(E) village].
From: bbrooks@rsi.UUCP (Bill Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcycles and HOV usage in Virginia
Summary: trial period
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:36:14 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean VA.

In article <Bu0C9s.5Iw@uunet.uu.net>, tale@ten.uu.net (David C Lawrence) writes:
> I just sent this message to dc-cycles@umiacs.umd.edu.
> 
> What I just got from a conversation with him:
> 
> The next HOV Subcomittee of VDOT meeting is Sept 16 & 17 (the third
> Wednesday and Thursday of the month) in Richmond.
> 
> Your cordial cards and letters should be sent to:
> 
> Ray Pathel
> VDOT HOV Subcommittee
> 1408 E Broad St
> Richmond VA 23219
> 
> and Cc:ed to
> 
> J Thomas McGrath
> PO Box 5424
> Richmond VA 23220
> 

An insider tip:

The Commonwealth Transportation Board (Transportation policy making
body for Virginia) has accepted a motion for a trial period for 
motorcycles on HOV.  The motion is expected to be voted on in the
upcoming meeting of the CTB (meets once a month).  If passed (my source
implied that this would be the case), motorcycles will be permitted on
HOV for a trial period of one year.  Sentiment (bias?) within the board
is apparently against motorcycles.  However, the AMA has been lobbying
them actively.  A recent statement to the board from a member of the
Washington State Department of Transportation said that (paraphrased)
"motorcycles are not involved in accidents any more or less than automobiles".
So, the CTB has reluctantly (?) decided to give us a shot.

My understanding is that the CTB's concern is not one of economics (as it
is with cages), but one of safety.  I constantly argue that motorcyclists are
inherently better drivers just because they're still alive (Darwinism at
work, dontcha know).  So, it would behoove us to be good, courteous two-
wheelers for awhile.  Then when they make it permanent we can go back to
terrorizing the grannies, pedestrians, and good humor drivers.

-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
Bill Brooks        wbrooks@boudicca.prc.com
FZR600 Rider,Mac Hacker,X-Men Fan,Llama owner/trainer,ex-chop suey fighter
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Ken Orr)
Subject: Re: stupid people
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:18:57 GMT

In article <BuAFtu.JM6@wpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
>
>As I was cruising downtown last friday night, I came accros a couple of
>stupid people who pissed me off.
>
>I was just riding when this Mustang 5.0 came behind me and started 
>reving his engine, so I took it he wanted to race me, so I smoked him!
>I have a Ex500 and I know it is not a big/very fast bike, but come on.  I
>can beat a car anytime.
>
>Then this stupid/fat/ugly/bitch in a Transam pulled up at a light and said:
>why dont you get a real bike!!. I just laughed at the bitch.  Anyway, as soon
>as the light turned green, the guy driving floored.  Like I was gonna waste
>my gas to beat his shity car.
>
>anyway, my point is that it seems like all these people with sports cars feel
>like they have to beat a motorcyle (which they cant) to make their day.
>I guess they are jealous that my 1800$ bike can beat their 15000$ car.
>
     ^^^ Nope they're just STUPID, As you said above. :-)  

     "86 Ninja 600R"                               K.O.
  "DOD #306 AMA #615088"                       T.I. Dallas Tx.
    "Eclipse GS Turbo"                      Orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The man without a number
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:12:49 GMT
Expires: 30 Sep 92 05:00:00 GMT
Followup-To: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
Organization: Computervision Corp., Bedford, Ma.

|In article <984@pico.OZ> conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au writes:
|>: In article <1992Aug31.145210.10222@news.nd.edu>, Richard.A.Swift.1@nd.edu (Richard A. Swift) writes:
|>: > mixture of rage, frustration, and serious intestinal gas.
|>
|>
|>    Oh Eggy, Oh Egg!
|>    Not even one leg!
|>    You sit so still,
|>              so calm,
|>               so round.
|>    Oh no! What's that?
|>     'Tis the terrible sound
|>       of shattering shell
|>         and yolk, on the ground.
|>
|>
|>
|>*<8-)
|>--
|>"There's something stirring in my loins and it isn't the spirit of Jesus"
|>                - Helen Razor, JJJ announcer, 1992.

So, Conrad - how long have you & Roger Carrasso been hanging out together?
(or did you pick up your poetic license on the fly?)

Jest curious...


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
Back in the saddle - BONNE'S ALIVE          (617) 275-1800 x 4173
The street giveth and the street taketh away - Catmother
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From: efw5565@zeus.tamu.edu (Evelyn - gorgeous red-headed biker babe...)
Subject: vanity plates
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:01:00 GMT

At the BMWOA rally in New Mexico last weekend, I saw
some great personalized license plates:

    BLU BY U  (on a K100, I think)
    XPRESO    (on a Ducati 907)

I spent a lot of time on the drive home thinking
about what I could put on the tags for my bike...
Anybody out there have personalized plates?

evelyn

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Leather pants
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:03:56 GMT

heff@ki.ch.apollo.hp.com writes:

>OK, Stupid Question #1346: Do chaps (in general) have leather over the
>ass-portion of a person's anatomy?

By definition, no.

>  If not, can you get chaps that do,?  

I haven't seen any, but Thurlow makes some deerskin pants that have full
length zippers on the outside of both legs.

>Can you recommend a good, yet, economical brand?

Uh, nevermind the Thurlow suggestion then, they're _not_ cheap.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow)
Subject: Re: wanted in Columbus OH
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:57:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.122826.11293@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> cjordan@magnus.ac
s.ohio-state.edu (Claudia Jordan) writes:
>
>I am looking for a 1982 or later KZ440LTD.  If you
>have one for sale please send me email or call
>481-1976 evenings or weekends.  Thanks.
Area Code 614
From: jamesf@btr.btr.com (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: more bike vandalism
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:23:51 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

I saw a bike today with riders two up. As I got closer I noticed some scum-
sucking vandal had put a BUSH-QUAYLE '92 sticker on the back of the seat. I 
thought about pulling them over and letting then know, but I don't do well
around distraught people. Sigh. Will this senseless defacing never cease?

jim

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jcn@rice.edu (Jeff C. Nichols)
Subject: arguments for motorcycle parking
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:00:52 GMT

Here at Rice Univ, they have just changed all the rules about parking, 
i.e. making it almost impossible for commuter students to park anywhere 
close while allowing staff and faculty huge lots that have yet to fill 
up, but I digress.

I would like to hear any arguments for having separate motorcycle 
parking, i.e. why is it/is it not dangerous for motorcycles to share 
the same parking lots and spaces as cars?

Thanks for the help.


--
*  Jeff Nichols                 |   I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay. * 
*  DoD#0402         AMA#?!@#*%  |   Ride:  GS500E    		   *
*  It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, and I'm wearing milkbone    *
*  underwear--  Norm Peterson					   *
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From: jeff@MicroUnity.com (Jeff 'Giga-hurts' Kaskey)
Subject: Re: A question.
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:35:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.211121.9389@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
|> 
|>   I went for a ride in the twisties with a couple of friends 

[...and
the slow one crashes trying to keep up...]

|>   Was I at fault?  
...
|>   What's the right thing to have done?
|> 
|>                                 Jorg

IMHO, exactly what you did:  you went on a group sport ride, which allowed 
the slower rider to push his personal envelope more than he might have if
he were riding alone.  He was wearing appropriate gear so that a get-off
was more likely to be educational than injurious.  Yes, the bike was damaged,
but if you make a habit of high-speed riding you know that such is the 
occasional (hopefully rare) cost.  If you wanted the twisty scene without
the challenge (read: risk), you'd buy the video.

tfk
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner)
Subject: Re: Fabulous Harley Babe Bashing etc.
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:54:48 GMT

In article <18l6b8INN49i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
|> In article 9SEP199208144826@erich.triumf.ca, ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) writes:
|> >In article <18l09uINN49i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com writes...
|> >>In article 23163@sybase.sybase.com, leighann@sybase.com 
|> >>	(Leigh Ann Hussey) writes:
|> >>>
|> >>>I'd rather have Nothing than a Bud any day of the week...
|> >> 
|> >>You're weird.
|> >> 
|> >	I wouldn't say so. 
|> 
|> I would.  American beer is nothing to get excited over, but it is
|> better beer than no beer.  Anybody that drinks beer, that would rather
|> not drink beer than drink Budwieser, is weird.
|> 
|> ---
|> Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
|>   Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
|> DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
|>  (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
|> 

Ok, I can't leave it alone. There are now a great number of american beers
to get excited over! (Note, I'm a native German). Anybody that would rather
not drink beer is weird, agreed (note the clever twisting of words). Luckily
Buttwiper does not fall into the classification of beer. Then there's the
wonderful Budweiser from Czechoslovakia! But I digress.

ObMoto: A homebrew or two greatly enhance the pleasure of motorcycle maintenance!

So how about a new group: rec.motorcycles.homebrew???

Stef - homebrewing biker at large

	     DoD#0190		              spgo@is.morgan.com
	'82 KZ550 (Commuter)		'84 750 Interceptor (Canyon Carver)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: How long for Dod number?
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:21:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.152320.14261@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:

>For what it's worth, it took me several weeks to get my number. But that
>was because I had a weenie mailer that kept eating his replies.

and, years later, you still have both the number and the weenie mailer.

obmotostuff:  i had a 'competition accessories' experience with chaparral,
wherein i made sure the item was *in stock* before ordering it, waited and
waited, finally called and was told it was on backorder.  they've not seen
my money since.  as well, because i was returning an item (their mistake),
i was to be reimbursed for the shipping i'd paid as well as my cost to
ship it back.  haven't seen that $10 yet -- and it's been two months.

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|       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   |
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From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HERE I AM! LOOK AT ME! I'M MAKING
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:12:51 GMT
Organization: Minnesota State University System

ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine) writes:

>so I wish that everyone would have 
>the decency to restrain himself in public.

Ohhh noooo!  I've just farted!  My dog barked!  I've got a hard-on!
Don't hit me Mr. Bill!
From: jerry@stratford.dab.ge.com (Jerry Szulinski)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcycles prohibited (Was: Least Favorite Road Sign)
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:05:35 GMT
Organization: GE Simulation & Control Systems

In article <1992Sep14.135736.7897@ms.uky.edu> kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron) writes:
>Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
>>> On my way to the Finger Lakes Rally in NY, I tried going through the
>>> international tunnel between Detroit and Windsor. The friendly attendant
>>> greeted me with "We don't allow motorcycles. You're going to have to use
>>> the [Ambassador] bridge."
>

I don't know about this place in particular; however, if they have frequent
back ups in the tunnel, it could be that they don't want any bikers passing
out. When I lived in the Baltimore area (aka garden of Eden), I had to take 
the harbour tunnel twice a day. At least two or three times a week I'd get 
stuck under the tunnel (accidents/back ups at the toll booth/cops), and very 
quickly my throat would get scratchy, eyes would begin to water...etc. 
The tunnel/s are about a mile long or so (anybody got exact number) and
a blast to fly through around a century mark (late at night/early in the 
morning). Like I said: maybe that's what they are concerned about, but I've
never seen it, so I don't know for sure.

Jerry S.
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Chaps (was: Re: Leather pants
Date: 10 Sep 1992 19:39:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 6zo@apollo.hp.com, heff@ki.ch.apollo.hp.com () writes:

>OK, Stupid Question #1346: Do chaps (in general) have leather over the
>ass-portion
>of a person's anatomy?  

No, nor the crotch-portion (which is why they're more fun in bed than
leather pants :^)

>If not, can you get chaps that do,?  

Not that I know of.

>How easy are chaps to hop in and out of?  

Very (a *damned* sight easier than leather pants)

>Can you recommend a good,
>yet, economical brand?

In general, those two requirements are contradictary.  You *do*
generally get what you pay for, and leather ain't cheap, good leather
and good worksmanship are even less cheap.  Don't get cowboy chaps,
they are made from thin leather.  They do fine keeping thorns out of
your leg on horseback (or bikeback, I suppose), but they offer no
tarmac protection.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

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