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From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtic Roster -- Who is on ...
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:08:22 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Sep12.052453.56089@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>Their current roster looks something like this
>
>C: Robert Parish, Joe Kleine (Vrankovic belongs to the Cs, but is expected
>				to go to Europe)
>PF: Kevin McHale, Ed Pinckney, Darrin Morningstar

I don't think Morningstar will make it.  If he does, it makes even less
sense why they didn't take a chance on Miller or Rooks, both of whom are
better players.

>Unsigned players who might be : 
>	Vrankovic - Doubtful, probably off to Europe

He's off to Europe signed with somebody.
>	Walter Berry, Joe Wolf - possible, but they also are reported to be
>		going to Europe

Gavitt says that he's written off Berry as signed.  He's interested in Bart
Kofoed(?).  But Kofoed is waiting out the Jon Barry situation.  What a stupid
pick.
>	Jon Barry - unsigned, probably won't be...

What a stupid pick.  I'm sorry I can't help but repeat it.

>
>Other news...  Rumors that the Cs are still trying to make a trade to get
>Tom Gugliotta from the Bullets (presumably for either Gamble/Fox and 

The Bullets are Laughing.  If I was Gugliota, I would fire the agent.
He went from a 1.9M man to 1.1M(?).  How stupid can you get.

>a draft pick).  Also rumors that the Cs might go after either Cadillac 
>Anderson or Charles Smith, though I doubt they can without a big trade.

Nothing to trade, and probably too far over the cap.  I know the Clips
don't want any combination of Barry, Gamble, Brown, Douglas or Fox.
So unless they plan to trade Reggie, which would be mindless.  Unless of
course they were going to get Manning or Smith + Doc or Ron Harper.
Give up Gamble.  Forget it, if Reggie(my favorite NBA player) is going
then nothing short of Manning will do.  I sure the Clips want a center
though, Joe Klien anyone.
>
>Also, I have heard a few rumors that the Cs might be interested in 
>Ol' Dwayne Schintzus, God Forbid.  Apparantly Red was high on him out of
>college and believes he has the talent.  Too many questions about his
>health and desire though.  

Lets not start spreading rumors here.  Gavitt said over his dead body then
and he says it no.  He says if they can cut him in 2 and get two pg out
of him, then ok.  What they need with 2 more is beyond me.  If not for
Parish, McHale, and Klein this team would be shorter than Golden State
used to be.
From: gerberrl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Richard L. Gerberding)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: So is Magic coming back or isn't he?
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:39:58 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


In article <1992Sep15.023629.28244@cs.aukuni.ac.nz>  writes:
>>>Magic, please come back, your Lakers and their fans need you..<<<.
     ----------------------------------------------------------
> Adam.

I feel just the opposite.  While I have been a Magic fan for over a  
decade, I hope he stays retired.  The Olympic gold for both Magic and  
Larry was the perfect way to end their careers.  Here are two of the  
greatest basketball players of all time, tied together by their battles  
against each other from college and in the NBA, then finally they win the  
gold playing with each other.  The only thing better would have been if  
they announced their final retirement at the same time.  They have always  
been integral parts of the other's career, it's time they make the gold  
their final bond and seal both their legacies.

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How did a nice OREGON boy like me end up in INDIANA???

(take no offense hoosiers, just missing home)
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: BEST POINT GUARD IN NBA
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:51:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.171158.8074@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser) writes:
>
>>
>>In article <1992Sep14.193318.11715@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>, heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser) writes:
>>> 
>>> Now that Magic is gone, Hardaway and KJ share the throne.  Stockton doesn't
>>> share the dimensions (assists & defense only) that the other two do.
>>> --
>>
>>
>>Yup, you're right Mike. Stockton's lifetime 50+ FG%, 80+ FT%, and 
>>32% 3PT% really s*cks! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
>>
>>	Ok, Ok, so he's only good at offense, defense, and passing..... :-)
>>
>>
>>-- 
>!	Jim  Halpin
>
>Jim, in head-to-head meetings, Tim and KJ severely school the poor boy.
>
    I wouldn't say so. Sure they score more points, but usually Stock
    has more assists and steals. And if he controls the tempo of the game
    to Utah's liking, then he has done his job. Check out the Utah-G.State
    scores from last year and tell me who you think did their job better.

    --salty

>    Mike
>    
>    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
>       - wilde silas tomkyn
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: DT II?
Date: 6 Sep 92 06:10:09 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In a previous article, barkema0332@iscsvax.uni.edu () says:
>
>Quick question for all of us diehard b-ball fans.  With so much talk about the
>DT, which by the way was one of the greatest showcase of athletic talent ever
>seen on this planet, do you think that 4 years from now there will be a DT II 
>or have we proven our point.  Which is that no one in the world can come close
>to messing with the finest basketball players in the world which are found
>right here in the good old U.S.A.
>        Was just curious as to the response.
>

The Globe says that the USOC or whomever it was that chooses the team
(I forget) and Gavitt anounced that it will not field a Dream Team II.
What exactly that means, I don't quite know.  But one would think that
that means they want some kinder gentler players.  No more elbow
throwers and chest stompers.  Maybe more college players or more humble
NBA players.
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: X-man to Boston
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:52:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.151756.5690@europa.asd.contel.com> andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:
>I'm sorry.  I rarely flame on anyone.  But anyone who thinks that Kevin Gamble
>has more of a future than Fox in the NBA is stoned.  The only thing that Gamble
>does better than Rick is stick an open jumper.  Fox drives better, has much
>better range, rebounds better, passes better, and is the best defender the
>Celtics have.  There realy is no comparison.  Most people around here felt
>that Rick would have started this year over Gamble had X not signed.  Fox was
>awsome in rookie camp this year.  Once the officials stop treating him like a
>rookie, he's going to have a monster year defensively.  Gamble consistently
>provided 5 points a game but that was it.  The problem is that every team in
>the NBA knows this and everytime the Celts mention Gambles name in a trade, the
>other team immediately inquires about Fox instead.

I guess he does rebound and pass better...but what's this about him being a
good defender?  I've never noticed anything special.  I have noticed him
looking kinda lost on the floor though, and making questionable decisions,
but I guess that's all part of being a rookie.  Gamble provided 5 points a
game?  Quite a bit more than that...and I would say that's worth something.
Maybe Fox would have started this year if he did improve...

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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: "Power Guards"
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:31:10 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <BuBzBJ.H0I@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>	The term "power guard" brings up some images in my mind.  Do U mean
>	one of those off-guard types with no shot, but can rebound, defend
>	and score inside?  A couple of names from the past spring up in my
>	mind when I think of this type of player -- namely Bruce Dalrymple
>	and Frank Ford (who were both HS All-Americans who did OK in college).

I think he used the term after Immel threw up a real brick as sort of an
inslut. Immel was a pretty good shooter, his shot looked as pretty as
anybody's, but when he missed, he tended to miss badly(at least it
appeared that way to me). He didn't have near the butt of Dalrymple or
Ford.

A buddy of mine and I have sort of adopted the "power guard" phrase
to describe anybody we play pickup with who can't shoot.




Russ Smith
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Knicks Blunder
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 15:50:14 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.235925.8458@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>In article <18raagINN1n8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>>
>>Well, losing a tough, put it on the line, player like X drops NY into an
>>"also-ran" for the coming season, IMHO.  Their GM must be a moron, letting
>>such a tough contributor go to a conference rival!  If I were a Knicks fan,
>>I'd be calling for resignations...  Seems like everytime NY starts to look
>>like they're  heading for the top of the NBA, their GM makes a boneheaded
>>decision and they slip.
>>
>>This acquisition should bump Boston back up into the Elite of the NBA.
>
>Curious thing though...if you were the X-man, which team would you want to be
>with?  I'd rather be with the Knicks...because they just completed a very
>strong line-up after getting Blackman.  Parish and McHale aren't getting
>any younger...and if they are good this year, it may be for only one.
>


Depends on how you look at it.  XMan felt very unappreciated and unwanted
by the Knicks because of all their attempted acquisitions over the
offseason.  I mean, why do they need Harvey Grant, if they have X?? 
Why would they want Chuck Person???  XMan felt that the Knicks were doing
everything they could to find a replacement for him, and were willing to
pay that person a lot more than he was making...
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From: minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor)
Subject: Re: Rodman
Keywords: n
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:09:38 GMT

gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:

|>I am sorry, folks, I wouldn't rank Rodman anywhere near the top of list for
|>"power" forwards.  What kind of power is 6 points a game with 20 RBs?????

Well, I wouldn't rank Rodman as a power forward.

|>Maybe I am biased, because I live in Chicago, but I would take Barkley, 
|>Malone, Horace, and anyone else that can score and grab 9-10 RBs a game.

Remember Rodman is valuable because he can play D on any player on the 
court. Sure he'll get beat by some of the quicker or larger players,
but he does a good job in general. (I won't argue questionable charges that
he draws just as we won't argue Jordan's travels or hooks.)
But what is better is that he isn't a primary scorer. So let Jordan get
frustrated and pick up an offensive foul or two. Even if Rodman fouls out,
it isn't a big deal. He has already served his purpose - to wear down
and torment opponents. I think it really bothers Scottie Pippen to have
someone hanging on him all the time.

Next, Rodman is always hustling. If you have played any team sports,
you know how contageous a hustle attitude can be.

I'm not a Piston fan and if anything I'm biased against Chicago
from the local Chicago fan "team can do no wrong attitude"...
Still I manage to ignore that and the local media's bandwagon reporting to the
point that I actually like the Bulls. (But I would print T-shirts up
if the bears went 0-16 for the season - damn they already won one this 
year.)

But I think Rodman has a lot of indirect talent that isn't shown in
stats.
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From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Shaquille O'Neal interview
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:31:40 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Sep2.133102.7331@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> clv2m@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles Viles) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.224059.18177@Princeton.EDU>, hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan) writes:
>> Cut this crap please !! Being chosen for the Olympics is a prestigious
>> issue and the BEST player should be given a chance (things such as availability
>> for other tourneys should not count).. And most certainly Shaq is a few
>> levels better than Laettner as a player.
>
>I beg to differ. Laettner was chosen because he was the college player that
>best fit the needs of the team, i.e. a big (6' 11") player with an outside touch who
>could play two positions, center and PF.

Laettner fills absolutely no need except maybe to excite teenage girls(how
he does that is beyond me - probably cause he's closer to their age).
And he sucks at both positions.

>With Ewing and Robinson, the DT hardly needed another dominant inside player.

The Dream team didn't need a big no talent scrub either.  Considering that
Robinson was to undergo surgery they had more need for a dominant inside
player such as Shaq.  This is why Karl Malone was always playing Center -
both Ewing and Robinson had thumb injuries.  Before they announced the
decision, they had no idea whether Robinson would be able to play, so
Shaq would have been the logical choice.

>By most accounts, Shaq is a raw talent who
>will only get better and better, but let's face it, the guy can't shoot the
>trey like Laettner.

And Laettner can't shoot the trey better than most of the players on the
team.  Not to mention JJ would be able to do it better in similar situations.

>> I would guess that the guys in the selection committee are racists who
>> wanted to project a "nice image of the US" given that there are already
>> "too may bad guys" such as Charles Barkeley and Karl Malone. 
>> 
>Wrong again bud. This is another instance of looking for racial overtones where
							  ^^^^^^
It started long before them, they are just buying into it.

>> 
>> Just my opinion ... 
>
>Just MY opinion.
>> 

JUST MY opinion
>> 
>> Harry 
>
>Charlie

Gary
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: New York Knicks
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:44:36 GMT
Organization: HMS

>
>	Are the Knicks going to win it all this year or what?  Take a look
>I hope so but I doubt it.  This is not enough.
>
>   F Xavier McDaniel
As of 10:30am,Thursday Sept.10th,he belongs to the Boston Celtics for
the next three years or until further notice :->

His press conference at the Boston Garden which was carried live on the
Celtics' own all-sports station(WEEI) was more like an X-rated stand-up act
where the X-man reffered to Maurice Lucas as a M-F(a 12 letter word) and
threw around a nice selection of 4 and 7 letter words.

>   F Charles Oakley
>   C Patrick Ewing
>   G Mark Jackson
>   G Rolando Blackmon

-Mark
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Knicks Blunder
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:59:25 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <18raagINN1n8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>
>Well, losing a tough, put it on the line, player like X drops NY into an
>"also-ran" for the coming season, IMHO.  Their GM must be a moron, letting
>such a tough contributor go to a conference rival!  If I were a Knicks fan,
>I'd be calling for resignations...  Seems like everytime NY starts to look
>like they're  heading for the top of the NBA, their GM makes a boneheaded
>decision and they slip.
>
>This acquisition should bump Boston back up into the Elite of the NBA.

Curious thing though...if you were the X-man, which team would you want to be
with?  I'd rather be with the Knicks...because they just completed a very
strong line-up after getting Blackman.  Parish and McHale aren't getting
any younger...and if they are good this year, it may be for only one.
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Will the NBA ever let
Date: 6 Sep 92 05:50:30 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <Iee0Gje00awLMGy0U0@andrew.cmu.edu> dh4w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Daniel Reid Helsten) writes:
>
>I would like to take a sort of opinion poll.  Do you think the NBA would
>ever let a team like Utah (the smallest NBA market) win the championship?
>
>I believe the NBA has there own way of controlling the outcome of very
>"costly games.  Say Utah played Cleveland last year in the finals.  The
>NBA would have lost literally millions of dollars in TV and promotions. 
>Consequently both teams lost in very much the same way, and in my
>opinion, some poor reffing.  Is it no coincidence that the the teams in
>the finals, with the exception of Portland, have come from very large
>cities.  
>
>Any other opinions, I would love to find out what other people think of this.

This must be the question of poor disgruntled fans, who can't handle
the fact that their team just aint winning.  Its a conspiracy.

Instead of a FAQ we need a PAQ (previously argued question).
This one was beaten to death 6+ months ago.

About the only thing that got settled was that the NBA wouldn't loose
money, the TV station might.  Since the NBA already negotiated a price,
while the station would still have sell time.  In the long run the NBA
may, if it continues, and the rest of the country doesn't care.

Is it really the NBA's fault that these teams didn't pick the right
players in the draft, or haven't hired the right management/coach
or made the right trades.  In Clevelands case, protected them from
making stupid trades (Ron Harper and picks for Ferry and ???).

That and the fact that Price is not 100% from knee injury have been
the two reason why the Cavs had no chance of winning.  I can't believe
its the NBA's fault that Price got a knee injury.

Is it the NBA's fault that Utah doesn't have enough weapons.  Couldn't
they have had fat Stanley (anybody remember??).  They're stuck with Eaton
and only 3 of their players are useful.

As for Portland, I think "why Portland didn't beat the Bulls?" has been
argued far too much.  In my opinion they played stupid.

Their are enough disgruntled postmen/people who have left the NBA,
if it were rigged, we'd know about it by now.
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From: rda452j@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (R.A. Misajon)
Subject: Re: Suns
Summary: sus
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:07:34 GMT

In article <92248.214633IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, <IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> The Suns will have these players, as far as I know.
>  F Charles Barkley
>  F Tom Chambers
>  C Mark West
>  G Kevin Johnson
>  G Dan Marjerle (he is awesome, isn't he!)
> 
>  F Tim Perry
>  F Cedric Ceballos
>  G Danny Ainge
>  F Kurt Rambis(?-Is this guy still around?)

You fool , Perry was traded to the sixers  for barkley so he cant be in the
lineup. it's a shame though. He was a very good player for the suns
The suns in 93.
From: msmiller@Rational.COM (Mark Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: X in da Gahden??
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:01:51 GMT
Organization: Rational

In article <1992Sep11.091127.6431@ecst.csuchico.edu>, adamw@ecst.csuchico.edu (James Adam Ward) writes:
|> 
|> 	First of all:  X is a man.  Celtics need somebody just like him.  
|> But X in Boston??? just doesnt seem right.  I just can't see X in a Celtic
|> jersey.  Can people please give me your ideas about X in Boston. 
|> I kinda laughed when I saw it on ESPN (the trade).  No doubt Boston
|> needed him.  I guess I just have to get used to it.  Give me your comments
|> about this trade.
|> 
|> thanks

He'll do fine. Remember that Derek Smith was a crowd favorite - 
especially when he went after Chuck Person in the playoffs.

________________________________________________________________________
Mark S. Miller                                     msmiller@Rational.COM
"Life is a 4-letter word."                        msmiller@world.std.com
[ insert tedious disclaimer drivel here ]                           IV-Q
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Pacers "bad" trade
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:28:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.060359.9911@cs.rose-hulman.edu> statesse@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Scott E States) writes:
>
>A lot of people out there are saying the Pacers made a really bad trade.  I  
>have to agree that it looks bad on paper, but maybe not if you look beyond  
>stats.  It looks to me like Williams and Richardson are pretty equal stat-wise,  
>but I think Richardson is a little bit younger. ( I may be wrong... )  The  
>inequity seems to be in the Person/Mitchell stats.  The rap on the Pacers the  
>past couple of years has been that they have too many scorers and not enough  
>role players.  By getting rid of Person they're basically giving Reggie Miller  
>the green light to shoot the ball.  I think this could help the Pacers in the  
>long run, but, of course, it could just as easily blow up in ther faces.  I  
>think it was a pretty good deal for the T-wolves too, they picked up some  
>scoring and some leadership which it seemed like they needed pretty bad.   
>Hopefully this deal will help out both clubs!

I think most people are forgetting what Indiana might get out of losing Chuck
Person.  I don't think it's the fact that Miller will be getting more shots,
but how about more time for their best player, Detlef Schrempf?  Why did Rik
Smits get so few minutes last year?  He isn't awesome, but certainly having
the 7'4'' center in there who shoots 51% and blocks shots is better than the
rejects they had there before...and I think it came to the fact that having
Smits in there took away shots from other guys with egos.  Well, the biggest
ego is gone, and at least the Pacers will have more offensive balance, not
just guys chucking it up from outside.

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