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Subject: Re: THOUGHTS ON ORIENTAL MORAL (Mongol ancestors of Vikings :-)
From: canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:04:44 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <77521@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.011506.29678@wuecl.wustl.edu> gm2@cec1.wustl.edu (Guo Mian) writes:
>>Only Finnish, though also a
>>Scandinavian language, has no connection with the other three Scandinavian
>>languages.
>
>What's more, Finnish doesn't seem to have a connection with any
>European language at all.  Almost all the languages in Europe belong
>to the Indo-European language family.  The exceptions are Basque,
>Hungarian, and Finnish.

	Actually Finnish is related to Hungarian.  It is also related to
the lanaguage of the Sami (whatever they're being called this week ;) and
to Estonian (rather more closely than to Hungarian).  These are lanaguages
from the Finno-Urgic family (admittedly rather smaller than Indo-European).
	Basque is, as far as I know, still a complete mystery - no one
knows where it's come from.

Cheers,
Carl

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,yale.chinese,yale.forum,apar.china-net
From: xu-dennis@CS.YALE.EDU (dennis xu)
Subject: A Special Panal Discussion Session on Mainland-Taiwan Relationship
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:20:54 GMT

                Yale Mainland-Taiwan Society

                        Presents

A Special Panal Discussion Session on Mainland-Taiwan Relationship



    Invited Speakers:

        Mr. Shen Chun-Shan

                Former Dean of School of Science and Professor
                        of Physics at Tsinghua University, Taiwan.
                Chairman of the Board of the Directors of Ying Chang-Chi
                        Foundation
                Research Advisor of China Reunification Commission

        Mr. Zhang KaiYuan

                 President Emeritus and Professor of
                        History at Central China Normal University

        Mr. John Fei
                 Fellow of National Academy at Taiwan,
                         Professor of Economics at Yale University

   Time         2:00 pm  Sunday Aug 23, 1992 in

   Place        Room A51 Waston Center
                Yale School of Organization Management.
                52,Hillhouse Ave.
                New Haven, CT

        A reception will follow immediately in Steinbach Lounge, also at 52
Hillhouse Ave.

        For more information, please send e-mail to ymts@venus.ycc.yale.edu,
or call 203-785-1774, 203-230-9685.
From: some_bird@math.tsinghua.edu.cn (Some Bird)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Just A Thought!
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:50:04 GMT


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: "JUN HE" <jhe@peach.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Questions for NYSU, Buffalo
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:25:13 -0500


We are going to Niagara Falls soon. Somebody says that Canadian
Consulate in Buffalo is able to issue Visa immediately in one day,
if you have passport and I-20 , photos prepared. If you happens to
know the details about how to apply for the visa and what is the 
working hours and phone number of the consulate, please tell me
and it will be greatly appreciated.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Forwarding - Re: Cannibalism in China - more info
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:12:40 GMT

---------------------------- Forwarding Begins ----------------------------
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Date: 18 Aug 92  10:12 EST

          Could you post for me to scc.  Thanks 

          Tu Ya

          -----------------------------------------------------

          How do you define Canibalism?  If that is defined as eating
          human flesh, we have the tradition to do that.

          1.  Spring and Autumn:  (missing for now)  

          2.  Qin2: Liu Bang cooked his father (or intended to) and
          shared with xiang4 yu3;

          3.  Song4: Wu3 Song1 ate fingernails in the Big Tree
          Cross Hill Restaurant;

          4.  Ming2: Li3 zi4 cheng2 rebaled because of "ren2 xiang1
          shi2;"

          5.  Qing:  Human beings are called "cai4 ren2" and
          slaughtered for cooking purposes;

          6.  Tang:  The son cut part of his leg to give to his father
          as zhong1 yao4;  This tradition lasted until late Qing1; 
          Many xiao4 zi3 would do the same when their fathers are ill;

          7.  Min2 Guo2:  Hua4 xiao3 shuan1 ate blood;  Feng1 ren2's
          brother wanted to eat him;

          8.  Wa3 minority folks kill human beings as sacrifice for
          rice harvest.  

          9.  Historically when Jian1 chen2 is finaly arrested and put
          to death, people would like to eat him piece by piece;

          10.  During the tu3 gai3 movement, some folks literally ate
          landlords;

          11.  One ingredient in Hong2 shao1 rou4 is zi3 he2 che1
          which is the plate a baby sits on.

          In summary, human flesh has been eaten for three purposes:

           a)  For political reasons, such as revenge;
           b)  For enjoyment or medical reasons, such as making a
               dish, or curing fathers' desease;
           c)  For hunger.

          To reduce the number of man-eating cases, we are interested
          in:

           a) Condamning politicians;
           b) Investing in medicare system; 
           c) Growing more crops instead of selling lands to
              foreigners.

          So-called Dui4 Zheng4 Xia4 Yao4.

          Tu Ya

------------------------- Forwarding Ends -------------------------------

Forwarded to SCC by Bo Xiong in Chicago
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:12:32 EDT
From: <ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: GNP by purchasing power (was Re: GNP of China

It's well known among the intelligence circles that the GNP based
on exchange rates could be quite misleading, and the organizations
such as the IMF (International Monetary Fund) stopped using it as
the mean to measure a nation's economic power long ago (but the
unsophisticated populace, including the press, still treat the GNP
based on exchange rates as the gospel on a nation's wealth :-( ).

(An extreme example to show how inaccurate the GNP based on the
 exchange rate could be is the former Soviet Union(CIS):  if based
 on the exchange rate, the GNP per capita now is less than US$100.
 However, the CIS produces about 11 million barrels of oil daily
 --- with the oil price of US$20 per barrel, the cash value of
 this commodity is  US$20/barrel x 11*10**6 barrel/day x 365days/year
 --- about US$80.3 billion per year.  The population of whole CIS
 is about 287 million.  So the GNP per capita, if based on the oil
 production alone, should be US$80.3*10**9/(287*10**6) = US$280
 --- much much bigger than the figure based on the exchange rate!!!
 Anyway, the problem with the former Soviet Union is that it spent
 most of its resource on weapon production and ignored the basic
 needs of its citizens).

The UN and IMF have developed a sophisticated system to calculate
the actual GNP's of all nations --- the so-called GNP by purchasing
power (it may not be perfect but what else is out there?).  The
following is from the `Fortune' magazine (page 128-129, October 7,
1991):

  | 1988 |         GNP per capita       GNP             GNP
  |Figure|      (by purchasing power)           (by purchasing power)

  Mainland           US$ 2,472      [US$ 363.8B]     US$2,803.2B
   Taiwan            US$ 6,528      [US$ 161.7B]     US$  131.9B
  HongKong           US$14,014      [US$  70.1B]     US$   81.3B
  Singapore          US$10,417      [US$  35.2B]     US$   28.1B

   Japan             US$13,645      [US$2961.0B]     US$1,685.2B
  S. Korea           US$ 5,682      [US$ 238.0B]     US$  243.2B

Note:
  1). The suffix `B' means billion.
  2). The figures in the second column are (misleading) GNP's based
    on exchange rates.  The 1st & 2nd columns are original data.
  3). The figures in the third column are calculated by multiplying
    the figures in the first column with the population.


IMHO, in 1988 (when the Soviet Union was still in the high gear of
production), the ranking of economic powers according to the actual
GNP by purchasing power are:

  U.S.A., U.S.S.R., P.R.China, Japan, Germany, ...

Anyway, this is MHO, please treat it with a grain of salt.

James Huang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: NBC Olympics coverage
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:48:13 GMT

In article <BsuvBI.E8H@ecf.toronto.edu> kanj@ecf.toronto.edu (KAN JOHN KWOK LEUNG) writes:
>In article <1085@pga.ts.com> pk99nom@pga.ts.com (Pal K.) writes:
>
Irrelevant stuff deleted...
>
>   You noticehow much coverage NBC devoted to the rowing competitions?  The
>ones in which Canada won their Golds?
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>
>Just one more thing before I sign off.  I really hate the americans.  I know 
>this might offend a lot of the people on this Net, but my main point is towards
>the self-righteous caucasians (sp?).  Of course I am racist and will not dislike
>any chinese who is american! 8->
>

I have to admit that CTV did a much better job than NBC, but didn't you 
too notice that the time CTV devoted to either rowing or syncronized swimming
is much more than they did for PingPong, in which event maybe no Canadians
participated?

The point is every national network is catering for their own countrymen.
Canada doesn't have many medal competitions so they have to turn to other
sports to kill the time. The Americans however have a lot of quality
competitions and therefore unfortunately an inflated ego.

So, things just happen this way. When China becomes a real sports giant,
it'll be the same for CCTV. So don't blame Americans overall. Just remember
we are minorities here. I think it's more realistic for you to set up a 
satellite dish trying to catch CCTV signals rather than hoping CTV or NBC
to devote half their time to Chinese athletes.

Just my 0.02$...

Fan

-- 
Fan YU                     Internet: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca
Department of Physics              (416)525-9140 ext:3296
McMaster University           
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada     ---------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi
Subject: *_-_-_* Excuse me *_-_-_*
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:35:57 EET

From: panda@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.paradise
Subject: *_-_-_*RE:_Poor,_Isn't_it*_-_-_*
Date: 10 Aug 92 19:30:42 EET
Organization: University of Maryland

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
&&
&&	Excause me, netters.
&&	Sorry, this is only a private message.
&&
&&	Hi, Kaisa. I am sorry to say but I am realy sorry to miss the course
&&	of prof. winston. At the moment I and some other friends had traveled
&&	to summer island for a short vocation.
&&
&&	Can you tell me what did our old man tell us on last week's lecture.
&&	If it is important to the course ...
&&
&&	Thanks from Net,
&&	... not only me but also some other enjoying puppys :)
&&
&&	Cheer ...
&&
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: the chinese way to enjoy a piece of music
Date: 15 Aug 92 20:35:28 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Once an American friend asked me what is the chinese way to denote the music.
I think for the computer our way is better than the "five lines" way.
Do you agree?

Enjoy! And don't forget to show your friend the secrit codes as you sing them.

 2/4
Steady
      ,--,             ,--,         ,--,,--,                       ,--,
  1.3 555 | 6  5 | 3.1 555 | 3  1 | 555 555 | 1  05 | 1 .  1 | 1.1 567 | 1  1 |
  --= ---          --= ---          --- ---      --        -   --= ---
                                    ... ...       .

  
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Slow
                        ,---,                  ,---,                 ,---,
                        .   .  . .   .                    .   .   .
     5.3 ||: 1  3 | 5   1 | 1  3.2 | 1  3 | 4  5 | 5  5 | 3 . 2 | 1  7 | 7 6.7 |
     --=                       --=                            -            --=
  .   .
  1   1  | 5  3 | 1  5.3 :||
                     --=
From: tu@sp2.csrd.uiuc.edu (Peng Tu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: China Stock Market Riot.
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:52:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: csrd.1992Aug14.175228.8153
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development

alee@iftccu.boeing.com (Alexander Lee) writes:


>This riot proves again how serious the paradox of Chinese mentality
>in China:

>Those potential Chinese investors have every reason (and rights) to be
>angry and to demonstrate their furor. But, at the same time, they also
>have every responsibility and obligation to keep public law and order.
>They don't realize that by violent riot, they only destroy the very
>environment which guarantee their investment in stock market: social
>stability.

>It is as stupid as African Americans, instead going to Sesimi (sp?) valey
>to burn it out in protest, burned out their own neighborhood!

>Now  I start to understand why Chinese Government had to crush student riot
>in TAM in 1989.

>Is it true that Chinese only understand their "rights", but NOT their
>responsibilities and obligations?

Wrong!  The chinese government has always been educated people for their
responsibilities and obligations and it has never respected people's rights.
Since people donot have any "right" and even the hope of the respect,
out of frustration, they resort to force and violence.  You can see
the same kind of frustration from the African Americans here.

And donot generalize your statements to "Chinese"  and "African American",
if you know your obligations and responsibilities of what you are saying.
Only those people involved in the riot should bear the responsibilities.

Peng.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 01:17:11 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject:    RE:meaningless to ask for Japan's apology

Is the apology meaningless, money more important and meaningful?
Or both.

What do you really want from Japan and CG?

You hear "sorry" everywhere. Does it really mean something?

Yes and no.

You will never get well compansated without forgiveness,no matter how
much you ask for.

Forgiveness, easy to say and hard to do.


X Xu
From: xm1@cec1.wustl.edu (Xingdong Ma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Lou4 Shi4 Ming2 ( Tang2 . Liu2 Yu3 Xi1 )
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:38:39 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.

Hi, folks!
Please enjoy the famous "Lou4 Shi4 Ming2". I think most of us
have already known this article.
=========================================================

                      Lou4 Shi4 Ming2
  
                       Tang2 .  Liu2 Yu3 Xi1

    Shan1 bu4* zai4 gao1, you3 xian1 ze2 ming2;
    Shui3 bu4 zai4 shen1, you3 long2 ze2 ling2.
    Si1 shi4 lou4 shi4, wei2 wu2 de2 xin1.
    Tai1 hen2 shang4 jie1 lu4**, cao3 se4 ru4 lian2 qing1.
    Tan2 xiao4 you3 hong2 ru2, wang3 lai2 wu2 bo2*** ding1.
    Ke3 yi3 tiao2 su4 qin2, yue4 jin1 jing1;
    Wu2 si1 zhu2 zhi1 luan4 er3, wu2 an4 du2 zhi1 lao2 xing2.
    Nan2 yang2 Zhu1 Ge3 lu2, xi1 shu3 Zi3 Yun2 ting2.
    Kong3 Zi3 yun2 :" He2 lou4 zhi1 you3 ?"

----------------------------------------------------------------
*    bu4(no) is usually sounded as "bu2".
**   I don't know how to write "green" in pinyin. 
***   bai2(white) is read as "bo2" in the ancient time.

Sorry for the mistakes, and please correct me.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:41:14 GMT

>  In the current version of the Chinese protection bill, it says that if 
>somebody stayed in China for more than 90 days after Aprile 11, 1990
>then he will no be covered by the bill.  I went back to China in the Summer
>of 1990 for about a hundred days.  I also know a couple of friends of mine
>here at Syracuse went back to China for more than 90 days after April 11, 1990.
>I am curious to know how many people have the similare sitution like us and 
>would like to discuss what kind of action we should taken in order to be 
>protected.  If your situation is the same as ours, please give me a reply.
>We should report our situation to IFCSS.

You had stayed there too long. IFCSS won't protect you for this.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: weimin@rice.edu (Weimin Yu)
Subject: Re: It seems meaningless to ask for Janpan's apology
Originator: weimin@datura.cs.rice.edu
Reply-To: weimin@rice.edu (Weimin Yu)
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:45:55 GMT


In article <1992Aug14.164324.17101@news.acns.nwu.edu>, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
|> In article <0095F0D0.53E0E840@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU> wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU writes:
|> > >> 
|> > 
|> 
|> No! You are wrong! The people killed in Japan by the nuclear bombs are just  
|> civilians. The civilians did not deserve to die in such a horrible way. If  
|> Japan need to say sorry to Chinese, then the US should say sorry to Japanese  
|> too.

In my opinion, the US A-bombs were justifiable. Without the 2 bombs, who knows
how many more months the war would have lasted; how many more people would
have been killed? Before the bombing, the die hard Jingoists were talking
about "yi1 yi4 yu4 sui4" (100 million people gloriously fight to death).

|> 
|> The point here is not whether the Emperor of Japan should apologize to Chinese  
|> people. The apology seems meaningless if the Japanese don't want to apologize.  
|> You simply can't force them. I found we Chinese always want to save our faces.  
|> In fact, the best way to save our faces is to build a stronger China.
|> 
|> Without a strong China, no matter how loud you cry for respect from other  
|> peoples, you simply won't get it.
|> 
|> 
|> Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:23:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.231405.25869@msc.cornell.edu>  
xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (,,,) writes:
> From article <1992Aug18.120240.24364@newstand.syr.edu>, by  
jzhu@sunfish.syr.EDU (Jianxiong Zhu):
> >   In the current version of the Chinese protection bill, it says that if 
> > somebody stayed in China for more than 90 days after Aprile 11, 1990
> > then he will no be covered by the bill.  I went back to China in the Summer
> > of 1990 for about a hundred days.  I also know a couple of friends of mine
> > here at Syracuse went back to China for more than 90 days after 4/11/1990.
> > I am curious to know how many people have the similare sitution like us and 
> > would like to discuss what kind of action we should taken in order to be 
> > protected.  If your situation is the same as ours, please give me a reply.
>   ^^^^^^^^^
> > We should report our situation to IFCSS.
> > 
> > -Jianxiong Zhu
> > Syracuse University
> 
> Give me a break!  And give IFCSS a hard time! :-)
> -- 

I seems that you and your friends don't need protection since you were in China  
for such a long time. If Chinese govenment wants to prosecute you, they would  
have already done that in 1990. 

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhu@risky.ecs.umass.edu (George Zhu)
Subject: testing
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:54:59 GMT


This is a routine test, please ignore.
From: hengyi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Heng-Yi Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Golden age of China?
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:56:18 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

>>    Golden age for old people probably is hundreds or thousand years ago,
>>for young generation should today and tomorrow. Aged people like to recall
>>past, youngster prefer dreaming future.

A woman brings to a good news and a bad news to their boss:
The good news is:
	Nowadays women are more interested in "middle aged" men !
Their boss is very happy.
Added the bad news:
	By "middle aged", it means from 15s to 20s.

Have fun !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Could more light topics in China?
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:22:38 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Aug22.000552.24854@Princeton.EDU> muyu@tan.Princeton.EDU (Muyu Guo) writes:
>
>Heard this when I went back China (may not be a happy one though):
>
>The national weather forecast center has its predication only 40%
>agreed with reality, while an old peasant has HIS predication 60%
>agreed with reality.  Being asked how this is so, the old peasant
>answered, 'it's very easy, whatever the official forecast says, I
>just say exactly the opposite.'
>
>-- 
>--
>Muyu Guo

 A very good joke. The more welcomes. 

cqu 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu)
Subject: Re: Protest! Protest! Protest!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:51:39 GMT


Certainly the PennState Mega plan isn't the most expensive one.
Here at OSU, the cost of health insurance is,

                         Au'92       Annunal

Student                  $139        $556

Student & spouse         $340        $1360

Student, spouse
    & children           $625        $2500

Student & children       $430        $1720


So, you guys are lucky. 


Z. Liu
In article <1992Aug13.151334.4757@ecl.psu.edu> l1z@ecl.psu.edu writes:
>    The international students at PennState will be holding a protest against
>the university's health insurance policy. The protest is dated August 17th,
>Monday, in front of the HUB(hertzel Union Building) and the Old Main.
>    PennState requires all international students came after fall,1990 to
>buy insurance for themself and their dependents. The insurance should be the
>MEGA plan provided by this school or other insurance that meet the waiver
>standards. The waiver standards were set very strict so that international
>students have no choice but to buy MEGA because any insurance that meet all
>the waiver standards will be much more expensive than MEGA. The MEGA cost
>about $500 a year for the student but $1778 for the student spouse and $800
>for a child. If the  international student has assistantship, the school pays
>%80 of the insurance for the student, but not for spouses and children.
>MEGA doesn't provide good coverage for illnesses though it's so expensive.
>    American students are not required to buy insurance for their dependents,
>but they can choose to buy MEGA for their dependents if they want. So when
>their wifes are going to have a baby. they may spend a few hundred dollars
>to buy MEGA for their wifes for only one semester, and enjoy the maternity
>coverage. The cost, certainly, will be imposed on international students who
>are forced to buy MEGA even there's a lot of unwanted coverages like the
>maternity coverages for their husbands and children!
>


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