From: changhp@engin.umich.edu (Hsiou-Ping Chang)
Subject: Re: A thought on Mainlanders' Attitude
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:40:06 EST
Organization: The University of Michigan
Reply-To: echang@engin.umich.edu
Originator: changhp@fijan.engin.umich.edu


In article <1993Jan11.022114.1534@engage.pko.dec.com>, li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li) writes:
> But I believe there are some mainlanders sympathy 
> to Taiwan's position or at least willing to listen but may not be able to 
> speak out openly.

	I am willing to apologize to these people because of my reckless 
posting.  My original posting was pointed to those speak for CCP.  Let's
make it clear here.

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> I too have trouble with this fight in the National Assembly.
 
	I have trouble with this fight, too. But I don't think it is funny at
all. 
 
> I dont know What those TIers are afraid of? Could not face the truth? If 
> that is the case, then how can we hand our future to them? Do these people 
> know freedom of press? People have rights to know. DPP criticizes (which I 
> agree too) that KMT controls the electronic media. But how about those TIers, 
> if one day these people are in power are they going to impose censorship?
> 
	As long as they didn't use violence or other illegal means,
I don't see how they violate the freedom of press. On the contrary, KMT refuses
to let go electronic media is a violation of the Constitution.

> My impression nowadays many people in Taiwan including governmant officials
> are afraid of criticizing some TIers' behavior to avoid be labelled 
> as "Taiwanese Traitor" or other naming calling. What kind of society it

	I am not convinced by your claim unless you have concrete facts.

> is? Will TI really bring a more free and democratic society to us? Or just 
> business as usual, one wolf is gone and another fox is coming?
>
	I agree with you that both KMT and DDP should be more discipline. 
The majority should respect the opinion of the minority and the minority
should cooperate with the majority.

> 
> IMO, Taiwan is a "pragmatic" independent country under name of Republic of
> China,
> 
> I agree. We should make Taiwan more "pragmatic" independent country (until
> CCP is willing to change or give in) and more visible in the world to enhance
> our position. Pesonally I think "Two-China", ie, two independent nations can 
> do just fine for now.

	In fact, I agree with most of your points.  Although I still think
ROC is confusing, I don't have trouble to accept it now.  
The problem I have is that our government claims we have sovereignty over
China.  This is not true.  People have to realize once we unify with China,
the huge population difference will make Taiwan a local government.
Unless China is as democratic as US, I am afraid people of Taiwan
won't be able to persuit their welfare as easily as they are now. 
Your previous mentioning of Confederal Chinas, in my opinion, is another form
of TI.  In that case, I wouldn't concern about the name at all and should
welcome it.  On the other hand, our current government structure is based
on the claim that ROC represents the whole China.  It is not very practical
(doesn't meet the "pragmatic" criterion) and somehow hinder our progress.


> But most important, political reform within Taiwan 
> should continue and should be separated from unification/independence disputes.

	This is very true indeed; I cannot agree more with you.

> CPP made very clear that only if Taiwan declares independence, ie, sever the 
> hope of unification, China will take action. You as well as some TIers may 
> think it unlikely but you have to convince Taiwan's people why it is unlikely. 

	Do you completely believe what CCP says?  
Do you believe what Chaude Shi had said?  I think as long as Taiwan is
independent of China, the threats will be there.
Again, I don't have problem with the  name issue and I don't expect 
our government declear independence in the near future.
What I want is the government tell its citizen the truth that the ROC 
represents Taiwan and based on this truth to reform our government structure,
which would meet the needs of the current Taiwan society as opposed
to the old China socity more than 40 years from now.





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