HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: gratuitous mumbling
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:06:24 GMT
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.

(Orc) ss19@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>I don't know if anybody I fancy in Chicago
>fancys me back, anyway, and having to spend rafts of money visiting
>lovers is better than having a disaster at home, where I couldn't
>just write off the city altogether, since I'd have to remain there
>to do such trivial things as work for a living.

I think if I lived in Chicago, I'd be willing to take the risk over Kateri.

>   david parsons \bi/ Who's gonna have one hell of a moral dilemma if I
>                  \/  do get that transfer to the UK, where everyone
>                      I fancy there would be _comfortably_ within the
>                      exclusion zone.

Mm. We don't have sensible plane shuttles, so you could do lots of trainspotting

Sufficient consolation?

Tanaqui

"Words, after speech, reach
 Into the silence. Only by the form, the pattern,
 Can words or music reach
 The stillness"                                           _Burnt Norton V_
From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Why I won't "dance" (was Re: Why I read a.s.a.r.)
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:23:52 GMT
Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Organization: Edinburgh University

Quoting arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers) in article <1993Jan20.192441.20687@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>:
>I sometimes manage to dance when I'm on my own [laughter], because
>then I'm not having to hide, sexually, from everybody. I'd like to
>be able to learn to do the same thing when there *are* other people
>around.

I used not to dance, a mixture of embarrasment and thinking it would be
boring.  Then I looked at what some of the people on the dancefloor were
doing and thought "Well, that's not much, but no-one takes the piss out
of them."  And I noticed that I dance on my own.  I've now discovered
that dancing is in fact an essential part of life and a good way to
enjoy certain kinds of music.  I recommend it, and no-one will give a
damn what you do on the dance floor so long as you only slamdance to the
punk and industrial tracks.
  __                                  _____
\/ o\ Paul Crowley   pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ //
/\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells)
Subject: Re: gratuitous mumbling
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:41:35 GMT

In article <C171L7.HJ4@news.udel.edu>
 jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (James Carroll) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.035159.16413@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
 dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells) writes:
>>
>>Coming Soon . . . Soc.bi party at Zoe's . . .
>>(for those of us on this side of the pond who can't make it to
>>Dave's party)
>>
>Actually, someone else (not me) is having a party...but since it's not
>mine, I leave it up to hir to make the invitations... *devilish grin*

Hopefully that someone is in the general vicinity of Delaware, since
that seems to be where the largest concentration of soc.bi'ers is.
(in the US, that is *wink to the UK*)

>-James, who will make a party if someone comes

"If you make it, they will come."

Darren
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: grumble
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:36:59 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

zen@death.corp.sun.com (d) writes:
>In article <C144Bv.Gq7@newcastle.ac.uk> J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>> >mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
>> >> You know me, Orc - I very rarely get it up.  There's a guy in New York
>> >> who thinks of me as The Man With No Sex-Drive; not accurate, but
>> >> understandable.
>> >And I *still* say...I haven't been in bed with a man with no sex drive!
>> Um, couldn't it be that men with no sex drive avoid going to bed with you?

>  *laugh*  No... *no one* would avoid going to bed with muffy.  Well...

Wow, Helen of Troy eat your heart out. Even gay men and straight women?
She must have a helluva time fighting them off.

>> (Or, one might think, anyone.)
>> /jon (well _I_ would)

>  You'd avoid going to bed with her?  *grin*

I might if I had no sex drive. (What's funny about that?)


/jon

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca (Nigel M Burnett)
Subject: Re: gratuitous mumbling
Organization: as little as possible
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:31:45 GMT

Zoe Antonia Velonis (eowyn@chopin.udel.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan21.035159.16413@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells) writes:
: 
: >Coming Soon . . . Soc.bi party at Zoe's . . .
: >(for those of us on this side of the pond who can't make it to
: >Dave's party)
: >
: How 'bout me and Jim have a joint party? He's already throwing a huge
: one this weekend...
: 
: mid-February, huh?
: *flirt* *flirt*
: 

Well, is this joint party a) at your joint? b) are we supposed to
be joined with someone at the party? c) do we bring our own joints?

And of course, in mid-Feb, *I* will be at the party in Cambridge
(I hope).

Nigel
-- 
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78 Normandy Blvd., Toronto      | pointless that for some people it is
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nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca	| -- Andrew Brown, The Independent
From: hjanules@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Sexual harassment among queers
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:14:11 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu

Dear bi net,
	I am currently collecting info about issues of sexual harassment within
the gay and bi communities.  Stuff like the following: my girlfriend's female
professor hit on her in a number of different ways and a fellow dyke put me in
a rope leash and would not let me go.  I feel that these problems exist, but
are not addressed by us or the straight community.  Because it is not
discussed, my girlfriend and I feel frustrated and alienated in our situations.
	I am trying to organize a campus discussion group through our LGBA. 
This topic will be raised tomorrow, at our next Bi Group meeting, but I hope to
have a more extensive discussion group later.  All responses will remain
confidential in terms of identity.  Please e-mail or post on the net.

Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kyraan@bach.udel.edu (Stephen Ch Litterst)
Subject: Re: Ethics...
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:53:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.020019.8813@midway.uchicago.edu> ss19@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.232911.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> cvadrgez@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
>>Is it ethical to one day just stop talking to a friend (permanently), and to 
>>NEVER even try to explain why?
>
>   Presuming the situation is correct: yes.
>
>                 ____
>   david parsons \bi/ 50% header, 30% quote, 30% sig, 10% article.
>                  \/

Wait a minute... 50% + 30% + 30% + 10% = 120%  ????
That's one heck of a response!!!

					Steve L.

-- 
| Stephen C. Litterst           |*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*|  
| kyraan@bach.udel.edu          |       More man than you'll ever be...   |
| litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu    \   More woman than you'll ever get.     |
|_guido@gnu.ai.mit.edu____________\ ______________________________________|
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: "Dykes to Watch Out For"'s Bi-positive this week
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:43:52 GMT

In article <C19Mwv.Jpo@athena.cs.uga.edu> wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells) writes:
>For all of those who are familiar with Alison Bechdel's comic strip
>"Dykes to Watch Out For" then this week's strip, entitled "The
>Sighting" is a bonus: bi-positive representation in a lesbian-feminist
>medium. If there is interest, e-mail me, and I'll type in the text of
>the strip with descriptions of the panels.

Yeah, well I'll be impressed when Bechdel has a sympathetic portrayal
of a Republican lesbian. (Or, better yet, a Republican bisexual.)

In fact, a classical-liberal-free-market-libertarian-Republican-
bisexual appearance would be most welcome. (I can't be the *only*
one...)
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"Wait a minute! You guys are NINJAS!"
                ---The Tick
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bhat@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Timothy Alan Heath BELL)
Subject: Re: Biphobic girlfriend!?! (Update)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:36:10 GMT


Here's an update on my current "Biphobic Girlfriend" situation:

My SO and I had a chat about things on Sunday, and I uncovered a few things
which make her position much more understandable. Foremost is that the
experience her sister had with her "Gay Boyfriend" was much MUCH worse than I
thought. While ideally that shouldn't have an impact on how my SO relates
to me (and other queers), unfortunately it does. While she intellectually
knows we are totally different people, her instinct lumps us into the same
category. I imagine this will take a while to get over. After all, this is
her first relationship, and I guess it takes a while to really trust another
person.
While that's not the only point we discussed, I think it's quite important.
We also talked about the necessity of good communication. She had been
holding onto her opinions for a while, and was worried about telling me.
For those who suggested giving her "Bi Any Other Name" or "Bi Lives" to read,
I don't think that would be a good idea in this case. I've been reading "Bi
Any Other Name", and I think it would do more to worry, confuse and shock her
than anything else.

In summary: We'll take things as they come now. Things have worked out better
than I feared, but not as well as I'd hoped, and we'll have to take things
as they come now.

Thanks to those who posted or mailed me (heather, Darren, Ciaran, Jutta,
jenneke, Sharon, Dawn, Nick, and especially Mike). I'm sorry I haven't
replied personally, but I've been busy with my SO, work and other trials.
If things develop further, I'll keep ya all posted.

Tim.

---.- ---- - ----- --------- -- ------ ----- --- ----- -------- ---------
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bhat@mullauna.cs.mu.oz.au  --  This space for rent.
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: smoir@world.std.com (Scott A Moir)
Subject: Re: A philosophical question...spawn
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 12:47:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.190116.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> cvadrgih@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
>In article <C1957u.G2z@world.std.com>, smoir@world.std.com (Scott A Moir) writes:
>>>In article <1993Jan19.020819.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu>
>>>cvadrgih@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
>>>
>>>#  Which is worse?
>>>#  
>>>#       For a guy to dump his boyfriend for a girl, or
>>>#       For a guy to dump his boyfriend for another guy.
>> 
>> Neither. both are partners, and by definition should have equal status.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>You are right, a lover is a lover, but, does it hurt more to be left for a
>member of the opposite sex, or for a member of the same sex?  As a special
>consideration, if you think that your boyfriend is gay (assuming, of course
>that you are a guy), and you've spent the last 4 months (i.e. the entire length
>of your relationship trying to convince him of such), does it hurt more if he
>leaves you for another guy, or for a girl?

Sorry, you seem to be stuck on that point. Neither is 'worse' in reality,
but it can make a difference to the person being left dependent upon that
person's individual standards. My ex-wife, one of the most homophobic
people that I know, would have rather I went off with -ANY- female over a
male. She felt that she could not compete with a male for one, and that is
was sick and perverted for another.

On one particular occasion, she found my stash of dildos, and she
confronted me with them quite angrily. Now I needed male contact, and I
decided that using latex was far better than cheating on her. To my
surprise, she would have rathered that I had an affair. Go figure.

Anyway, it really depends on the person in question and thier perceptions.
In actuality, it should make absolutely no difference.

Scott


-- 
Scott Moir  /  Satyr on IRC    ______ # "There's really only one requirement 
smoir@world.std.com            \ \/ / #  for a Prophet, and you've got it."
B4 f t+ w g k+(+!) s+ m r p+    \/\/  # "What's that?"
Also: pentangl@ursa-major.spdcc.com   # "A mouth." - 'God' to J.R.'BoB' Dobbsl
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (James Carroll)
Subject: Re: gratuitous mumbling
Organization: University of Delaware Alumni
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:46:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.035159.16413@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells) writes:
>In article <C14AEB.8JG@news.udel.edu>
> eowyn@brahms.udel.edu (Zoe Antonia Velonis) writes:
>>
>>Crash space is available...no roommate for the next three weeks....
>>need I say more?
>
>Wow . . . is this an open invitation?
>
>*grin*  *flirt*
>
>Coming Soon . . . Soc.bi party at Zoe's . . .
>(for those of us on this side of the pond who can't make it to
>Dave's party)
>
>Darren
>(gleefully sending flirtacious winks in the Delaware direction)

Actually, someone else (not me) is having a party...but since it's not
mine, I leave it up to hir to make the invitations... *devilish grin*

-James, who will make a party if someone comes

-- 
I don't mind if I never, ever meet you		   | James Carroll	____
I love you just the way you seem		   | 5 Rumford Way	\bi/
I don't mind all the things they say about you	   | Princeton Jct., NJ  \/
Jealous words won't spoil this dream - Jesus Jones |   08550-1635
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca (Nigel M Burnett)
Subject: Re: Tori Amos.. Hrm..
Organization: as little as possible
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:22:20 GMT

Jonah Emanuel Safar (safarj@aix.rpi.edu) wrote:
: So... how many people would be interested in visiting RPI for this? ;)

Sure, as long as it's > Aug 1 and not the weekend of Aug 14.

N.

-- 
Nigel Burnett   416-690-1834	|"Internet is so big, so powerful and so
78 Normandy Blvd., Toronto      | pointless that for some people it is
Ontario, Canada, M4L 3K3       	| a complete substitute for life."
nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca	| -- Andrew Brown, The Independent
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Scorpii)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: question about the triangle
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:42:39 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1993Jan26.022807.24526@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>>"Illuminati posers?"  That's me you're talking about, hon.

>I'm sure you'll get over it. ;)

Already have.  We Illuminati posers have short memories and brains like
fluff!  :)  That's why we're power-hungry...just look at politicians.

>Some of my best friends are Illuminati posers. (One of them is the only person
>I've ever heard of who 1. won his first game, and 2. won with Cthulhu, both
>events occurring simultaneously.) The fact that they are my best buddies does
>not prevent me from laughing at them--er I mean being honest with myself about
>their little failings.

I believe I won my first game, but I can't recall who I was playing with or
what group I was.


>>And for the record, I am not an "Illuminati poser"

>But you just SAID..

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?  "No.  (Perfect!  No one would ever suspect
that of being a 'yes'!)"--the Tick, probably misquoted

>Thank you, I have read and played. Just avoided addiction. And if you're going
>to insist on  sulking about it, you can just wash your own back while you're
>conquering the world, so there. };)

Um...are you implying that if I stop sulking you will wash my back?  All
better!  ;)

>>Drewcifer the Illuminated


>  -Schwartzberg the Vastly Tickled

Drewcifer the Certified Silly Person
-- 
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as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Scorpii)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: question about the triangle
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:16:01 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <C1HA4n.3ut@unix.portal.com> drakon@shell.portal.com (Harry Benjamin Gibson) writes:

>To add something to this whole Bavarian Illuminata thang, another good thing to
>read is "Principia Discordia or How I Found Goddes and What I Did to Her When I
>Found Her" which is the Magnum Opiate of Malaclypse the Younger of the Paratheo-naametamystikhood of Eris Esoteric. In it it explains how to join this most     ancient and secret order. (It is the most famous secret order in the world.)
>(page 70)

>Bavarian Illuminati, don't be fooled by imitations.

>Pope Ben

And how, pray tell, might one get one's paws on such a volume?  Hmm?

Drewcifer
-- 
***************************************************************************
** Andrew David Simchik, registered Scorpio ************* SCHNOPIA! *******
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as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Demuffining ALERT!!  (was What does "muffin"...
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:17:37 EST
Distribution: world,soc
Organization: Cornell University


Here I am, me too, me too!! 

**pant pant*   **wiggle**  *wink nudge* *snuggle* *hopeful grin*

with lust, 
N Kay

In article <C1DFnt.BMI@news.udel.edu>,
kyraan@bach.udel.edu (Stephen Ch Litterst) writes: 
> In article <1993Jan24.010115.1153@Princeton.EDU> mhnatsis@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Martha Helen Natsis) writes:
>>A quick question...
>>What's a muffin?
>>and how does one get demuffined?
>>
>>-still looking for a cute .sig
>>
> 
> Well dearie <*lurk* *stalk*>  a muffin is what you were until you posted.
> <*stalk* *chase*>
> And one gets demuffined by posting... (and when you ask we tend to get... ahem
> ... physical.
> *pounce* *grab* *hug* *squeeeeeeeeze* *snuggle* *nuzzle* *nibble* *slurp*
> *bite* *nibble* *grope* *squeeze*  ahhhhhh.
> 
> That answer your questions?
> 
> 					Steve L.
> 
> -- 
> | Stephen C. Litterst           |*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*|  
> | kyraan@bach.udel.edu          |       More man than you'll ever be...   |
> | litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu    \   More woman than you'll ever get.     |
> |_guido@gnu.ai.mit.edu____________\ ______________________________________|
From: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: question about the triangle
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:00:10 GMT
Reply-To: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <1993Jan24.130204.10122@iscsvax.uni.edu>, weaverli0469@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>Just a quick question : What does the triangle stand for? I see them every so
>often at the bottom of people's notes...
>        
>
>     Like this one:
>        _____
>        \   /   
>         \ /
>    
 It frequently depends on the sexual orientation of the person. Or their
religious affiliation, or their favorite alternate universe, or what kind of
underwear they have on...

>Shawn

  -Shwartzberg
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:06:47 +0000

:   BTW, not surprised to see that those UK'ers find it odd to drink cold
:   coffee--they find it odd to drink ANY coffee.  I wouldn't call the
:   muddy instant stuff they serve over there coffee.  Nearly KILLED me,
:   ya tea swillin' Brits! ;-P

Not all of us.  I don't share the English's fascination with tea.

I also know how to make proper coffee.  Killer Columbian, that's the ticket.

G
From: bvntyler@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Very [Bi]Sexual Professional Amateur Nudist!)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: I'm coming!
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:00:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1j4bisINN9sa@cuda.add.itg.ti.com>, winsor@teng.ppd.ti.com (js) writes...
>In article <1993Jan14.033402.16954@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells) writes:
>} Darren
>} (who is actually sore, after working out at the gym, and who
>} really could use a good backrub)
>} 
>} (as well as a pair of underwear, due to a careless oversight - oops)
>What pretty pictures I have in my head...
> 
>Hello Darren.
> 
>john
>-- 

Def'nately Purty Peectyers Seenior!

wan one? 2 for 5000 pesos!

*Grin*
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Clueless hetboys and bi's
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:38:05 GMT

In article <ALAN.93Jan25170706@pluto.osf.org> 
 alan@osf.org (Alan Hamilton) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.000051.10916@midway.uchicago.edu> 
 elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>->I might add that the worst soc.bi generally has to deal with are the
>->clueless straight boyz who Just Want to Watch.

>rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>> I read this as sort of a putdown of straight, voyeuristic men.
>> what's wrong with just wanting to watch?

>I'm not sure what elle@midway.uchicago.edu meant, but *I* read the
>issue as being not that they just want to watch, but that they are
>"clueless"...  that they assume that they way to go about getting to
>just watch to women is to come into soc.bi and (without getting to
>know us) post a personal ad wanting to watch "hot bi babes".
>
>[The least they could do is post for "hot bi stud-muffins!" <grin>]
>
>*I* certainly have nothing against just watching!!!
>
>I certainly *do* object to clueless posts from people who come here to
>post personals without reading and getting to know our issues.

I'd point out that in Ellen's original post she seemed to be contrasting
(the lesser evil of) "clueless straight boys" with the hardcore homophobes 
who afflict soc.motss. While I respect Ellen's position as one with
a confirmed dislike for e-fluff, (and think she is quite nice in person),
I still wonder if that same fluff is one of the things that keeps some
of the 'phobes from soc.bi.  They may prefer to attack people who
they can say are *completely unlike* themselves; not be flirted with by
members of both sexes.

As for the question of men watching, I think I'm in the middle (so to
speak) -- I got introduced to this queer stuff through the lesbian
feminist movement -- in the process I've seen a fair amount of lesbian
erotica, and also gotten a big dose of the ideological arguments
about taking woman's sexuality seriously, not just seeing it as
for men's benifit.

(Though I remember the last thread where Roy and I were talking about
lesbians -- maybe I should keep quiet ;)

However, the situation Roy describes sounds rather benign even if one
applies an ideological test -- are you sure you aren't going
vanilla on us Roy ;) ;).

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
                      |  Feminist   |.......|.........................