From: mallya@octel.com (Satyanarayana Mallya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: TIME FOR CHANGE ....
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:26:42 GMT
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

In article <1993Jan21.231919.25043@ennews.eas.asu.edu> pinto@enuxva.eas.asu.edu (Kevin A. Pinto) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.203039.8068@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, mohans@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mohan.sekhar) writes:
>> 
>	--- Khaki version of history deleted ---
>> 
>> THE TIME TO CHANGE HAS COME, ITS NOT UNREALISTIC to expect a "NEW INDIA" 
>> For the HINDUs, By the HINDUs, Of the HINDUs.
>>  
>> A country where Hindus can be proud of their religion and a 
>> government/constitution which protects their needs first.
>> Like an ITALY where a non-christian can live, A SAUDI ARABIA where a non-muslim
>> can live, India can continue to be a home for non-hindus.
>> 
>> IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE A COUNTRY WHERE HINDUs COME FIRST ......
>> 


Replace Hindu's with americans, India with U.S.A  and religion with country
you have Clinton's pet agenda for Change. 

>
>I, for one can assure you that I would not like to go back to an India
>where non-Hindus are treated in the same way that non-Muslims are treated
>in Saudi Arabia.
>
>Is this really what you are suggesting?  That all mosques, churches,
>gurdwaras be torn down?  That all non-Hindu forms of religious worship be
>banned?  That people be arrested for praying to their own God?  That
>people be forced to observe all Hindu ceremonies and holidays?  That the
>consumption of meat be forbidden?

You replace Saudi Arabia with any muslim country(except egypt,turkey and
Bangladesh) and you can expect the same treatment. While extremism is 
indeed too strong for Indian majority, I did notice that more and more
indians bak home are tending to accept the above hindu logic. I guz
hindus are sick of the appeasement tactics towards minorities by the
government (over 40 years) and the "insensitivity" of minorities in general
and muslims in particular. This call for extremism is basically a reaction
to the above rather than new found faith in the disparate hindu religion.


	Unless muslims come with better leaders than the types of Sahabuddin, Bhukhari, Owaisi, and hindus do the same, I expect the problem to boil
over. It would be hard to expect Hindus to start with concession and it
would be hard for any muslim leader to start making the concessions.
Secularism has never worked out in this world. It is a archaic philosophy.
While most western societies give the impression of secularism, one should
realize that most western countries do not have over 5% of people
affirming to a single minority faith. When they do have minority religions 
of  appreciable sizes, one wonders if people belonging to Pat Robertson's
ilk will remain T.V. fund-raisers or jump to extremism.

>To diverge slightly, it is a recurrent theme that Hindus are second-class
>citizens in their own country.  This is a ridiculous claim; Hindus are
>82% of the population and control the government, business, commerce
>and virtually every aspect of civilized life.  While there are several parties
>which seek Muslim votes (which are not the monolithic block that they are
>made out to be), the same parties also run after the votes of the backwards,
>Brahmins, Harijans, Jats and virtually every caste and community the
>country has produced.  The BJP is not immune to this - it derives a great
>deal of strength from trader communities.

	This is being realized now by the majority and by my judgement,
the majority expects a greater piece of the cake justly or unjustly.
Intransigence of the muslim community as far as Babri Masjid did not help
dispel the cause.
>
>The Muslims on the other hand are poor, uneducated and ignorant.  They
>incidentally are by far the victims in communal riots - these are leaked
>GOI statistics.  To say that the Muslims are pampered is to imply that
>they control the government, business, commerce and everything worth
>controlling.  Look around you and see if that is the case.

	It is not who controls the government that is being disputed.
It is the sops given to the minority that irks the hindus. One example
related to me was that our famed prime-minister V.P Singh decided to
declare a National holiday the birth of some Muslim religious leader.
While I do not remember the name, I b'lieve that V.P.Singh in his
independence speech declared that India has become the first country
to do so. While I do not condone any hindu,muslim and christian holidays
our country has, it was a rather pathetic example of appeasement. It
has been leaders like these that have irked the majority and caused
more harm than good for the minorities. The list goes on with Shah-bano,
and more. It  gives the majority a feeling of besiegement atleast as far
as my discussion and reading of different incidents.

>
>Wake up - Hindus aren't likely to vanish from India in a thousand years.

	Just when I thought the discussion was getting interesting, I
get the moronic statement. Well time to sign off.

					
							Satya Mallya
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