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From: roussea@server.uwindsor.ca (ROUSSEAU PAUL            )
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Casino Gambling In Windsor, Ontario Canada
Date: 2 Jan 1993 03:40:15 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

A European style gambling casino will be set up in Windsor,
Ontario Canada in 1993.  Windsor is across the river from
Detroit Michigan.

Does anyone out there on the Net know anything about this
type of casino.  I understand that they are different
than those in Vegas and in Atlantic City.

If that is the case, do European style casinos attract a differnt
kind of gambler?  What kinds of games can I expect if I go to
one of these casinos?

Looking forward to your responses.

-- 
Paul Rousseau			INTERNET    roussea@uwindsor.ca
St. Clair Beach			            "It's too bad ignorance isn't   
Ontario, Canada		                     painful."
							-anonymous
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: eric@hup.ucla.edu (Eric J. Splaver)
Subject: Re: Ceasers in Palm Springs?
Organization: UCLA Honors and Undergraduate Programs
Date: 25 Dec 92 16:05:39 PST

According to an article in the LA Times the Aqua Caliente Indians (the 
richest tribe in the country) decided to sign an agreement with Caesar's to 
open up a casino in Palm Springs.  The tribe owns a tremendous amount of 
real estate in the Palm Springs area and has held out against opening up a 
casino for various reasons including local negative attitudes.  The article 
went on to describe Palm Springs current desperate economic state, and said 
that the casino would not offer accomodations.  I think the idea is that 
people will come to Palm Springs spend money at local hotels, restaurants, 
etc in between trips out to the casino to gamble.  Another tribe with land 
holdings just west of Palm Springs (the Moranga Tribe) has been operating 
a bingo parlor and more recently card room with increasing profits.

I hope it happens soon, if succersful it could scare some casinoes in Las 
Vegas.  PS is only about 150 miles from LA, while Vegas is twice that.  
________________________
Eric J. Splaver
eric@hup.ucla.edu
(310) 825-2768
From: jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano)
Subject: Re: Nicknames for various points in Craps
Organization: RIT Research Corp
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:41:38 GMT

Okay, let's review what we've got so far:

      Point	Nickname

	 2	Snake (or Mother-in-Law) Eyes
	 3	Cock-Eyes
	 4	Little Joe
	 5
	 6
	 7	Red
	 8
	 9	Center Field
	10	Big Dick
	11	Yo
	12	Boxcars

We also know that a Six made the hard ways may be referred to as "Bookends."
How about the others? (Remember, I need to know for a "research project.")

I thank you in advance.
From: paul.westley@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Westley) 
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: BLACKJACK AND TIPPING
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:53:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: paul.westley@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Westley) 

-> What is the proper method of tipping at blackjack?
-> I am intereseted in things like frequency/amount.
-> Also for tipping the dealer by betting for him and you
-> win the hand. (For example, you bet $5 for yourself and
-> $1 for the dealer.)  If you win normal, do you give the
-> delear the $1 won, or $2.  If you win the hand with a
-> blackjack or after splitting or doubling down what do
-> you do?

One dollar when you are betting $5 is fine, but leave the dealer the
whole winnings ($2) - just pick up your own winnings and leave the rest
sitting there, the dealer will say thank-you and take the $2.  (If
he/she doesn't say anything, that should be their last tip from you).
Also, remember that most casinos have the dealers pool all the tips, so
you may be tipping a great dealer, but she has to share it with the
sourpuss that just dealt to you and reshuffled every time the count went
high.  Don't know how to get around that one (any ideas anyone).  As for
how often to tip, I like to tip when the count is positive, to friendly
dealers only, to dealers that don't make counting too difficult, and
when I'm winning - if you are up $50, I think it would be reasonable to
have tipped up to $5 by then.  If you split or double down, don't
increase the bet to tip the dealer again (just double down for less, or
split for less - if they won't let you, take that money if you win).  If
you win a blackjack, leave the $2.50 for the dealer.
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: california/indian reservation ACES
From: surf@netlink.cts.com (Tony Rosa)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 23:40:54 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

I have noticed a lot of questions regarding california aces.  Having 
played a few hours I will give a run down and my analysis.  The game is 
played similar to blackjack except you are trying for 22.  you cannot 
bust in this game so if two best hands are 19 and 23, 19 will win.  you 
have three betting lines.  The first is usually a set $5 bet (plus 50 
cents to the house, that's their profit) on the second line you may bet 
10 to 25 dollars and the third 25 to fifty dollars ( these are 
approximations and vary depending where you are).  Everyone must bet the 
first line, but the other two are optional, there are usually six people 
to a table and if you bet on the other two lines someone must take action 
against you.  So in reality you may have a losing hand on the first line 
but still win on the second and third.  (please note that above when I 
say a 19 would beat a 23 I mean to say a 21 would win ).  There are also 
jokers in the deck that count as 1 or 11 ( same with aces).  So if you 
were dealt two aces you have 22 and would win or at least tie all your 
bets.
ANALYSIS:  After a couple of hours playing this game and coming out a 
couple of hundred ahead I truly feel that this game can be cornered.  A 
couple of days later I brought a friend up to try a thing or two.  Since 
you are playing against the other players and not the dealer, you can 
really read players reactions to their hands and guestimate what they 
have, this along with glances of other cards give you a good idea of 
where you stand.  With two players sitting approximately three chairs 
apart on of you will usually be the last to play your cards and you can 
signal as to what you have (ie if you have 20 and your partner, the last 
person to be dealt has a 19 why wouldn't he want to hit,  If you are both 
betting the same lines?)  at the end of this session we divided the $$ up 
and both ended up a couple hundred up.

I use this to be informative and give an explanation of my thoughts on 
the game.  I have not been up to the reservation but a couple of times 
since then and have yet to lose money.  Maybe I'm lucky, who knows, your 
comments would be appreciated.  8)
/a

--                    
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: eric@hup.ucla.edu (Eric J. Splaver)
Subject: Re: ace side counts ?
Organization: UCLA Honors and Undergraduate Programs
Date: 25 Dec 92 15:54:34 PST

In article <1992Dec17.094540.1@azcc.arizona.edu> kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu writes:
>I have heard a lot of talk about ace side counts, could someone post a
>brief discription on how to use it and why it is important. I have always
>counted ace's the same as 10's.
To use an ace side count, one tracks the number of aces leaving the deck, 
compares it to the expected number (one per quarter deck), and makes an 
adjustment to the running count based on the excess or absense of aces.  The 
reason a side count is important is that  "ace richness" effects betting 
strategy but not playing strategy.  Hence, if aces were counted they would 
erroneously affect matrix value playing decisions while if ignored 
entirely they would erroneously effect bet size determination.  
________________________
Eric J. Splaver
eric@hup.ucla.edu
(310) 825-2768
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock)
Subject: Trip Highlights
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 10:34:06 EST


High (and low) lights of my trip to Las Vegas for the Harrah's/Las Vegas
Advisor Invitational held this past Sunday and Monday.  (In no particular
order.) 

- A two hour late plane due to mechanical problems and head winds.

- Meeting several rec.gamblers.

- Having my team in the slot and blackjack tournaments beat out Anthony
  Curtis's, Arnold Snyder's and Stanford Wong's (we took third place).

- *Finally* having a winning session at the Frontier.

- Having one of my team mates playing at the same table with Anthony Curtis in
  the blackjack tournament and coming down to the last hand $1,000 behind.
  He's dealt a pair of 10's as is Curtis.  Both split the 10's to get the
  money on the table.  We draw a 21 and a 19.  Curtis draws some 10's and gets
  to resplit to four hands ranging from 19 to 21.  The dealer shows a 10 and
  busts.  Curtis beats us by $2,000 (but we still won the tournament because
  the same team member came in first in the slot tournament with 14,000 points
  where the average was well under 6,000 points.  (Such skill!)

- Learning that Harrah's had, after analyzing the hold for Sunday, ordered
  dealers at the double deck game to cut off a full deck.  This maked no sense
  to any of us because the game was lousy in the first place and no one with
  any skill was playing there seriously.

- A 2 hour bull session in the Coffee Shop until 1:30am on Tuesday with
  Snyder, Wong, and Sam Case, with Wong telling stories about blackjack in
  Macau in the old days.
 
- Falling asleep at 4pm on Monday and missing my own slot tournament session.
  (Good for carpal tunnel syndrome!)

- Seven card stud at the Mirage: get a 7 and a K down, and a 7 up (with a
  third 7 visible on the board).  Catch a second K at fourth street, the case
  7 at fifth street (7's full of K's), the third K at sixth street (K's full
  of 7's) and the case K at seventh street (4 K's!)  *And* I was able to get
  at least one player to bet along with me the whole way (with her measly
  flush made in the first 5 cards).

- Meeting the developer of the World Series of Poker Adventure.

- Singing Karaoke at the welcome party.  (This was a highlight for me, but a
  lowlight for the rest of the folks at the party.)

- Paying a $3.00 hotel bill at the Flamingo Hilton, and a $1.00 hotel bill at
  Harrah's.

In short, I had a blast.


Chuck Weinstock				weinstock@sei.cmu.edu
Software Engineering Institute		(412) 268-7719
Carnegie Mellon University		(412) 268-5758 (Fax)
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
From: Ken_J_Siegel@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Bally Gaming (BGII) Ups 'n' Downs
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 93 14:57:29 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <72730@cup.portal.com>

About Bally Gaming/Reno Bally's....
I work at a Hilton Hotel in NJ and Hilton distributes a quarterly newsletter
to all properties and last week I read a small blurb about the Bally Reno
property.  I dont have the article (I'll try and get another copy when I go
to work tommorow), but from memory the property was sold to Hilton over the
summer for somewhere around $80 million.  Basically a givaway price.  Again,
I'll try and get the article to post here...
From: elliott@aero.org (Kenneth B. Elliott III)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Bally Gaming (BGII) Ups 'n' Downs
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:09:34
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: solarium.aero.org


My father asked me about the recent rise and fall of Bally Gaming
(BGII), and since I didn't have a clue, I thought I'd ask the
collective wisdom of the net and see if anyone out there had heard
anything.  From the first week of November to the first week of
December, BGII went from 14 1/2 to 18 3/8.  It's now back down below
13.  Is there any reason for this, or did some traders just have an
end-of-year spaz-attack?  Thanks for any help,

KBEIII
--

Ken Elliott III                  The Aerospace Corp.
elliott@aero.org                 Suite 4400
(410) 312-1405                   8840 Stanford Rd.
                                 Columbia, MD  21045
From: TRADER@cup.portal.com (Paul Vincent McGinnis)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Casino in LA?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 01:46:56 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
  <72651@cup.portal.com>

The size of some of the L.A. area "casinos" is impressive. The big 4 are:
- Commerce Casino, City of Commerce. This place is at the Washington offramp
  on the Santa Ana Fwy. (I-5).
- Normandie Casino, Gardena. At Rosecrans & Vermont if I remember.
- The Bicycle Club, Bell Gardens. Take the 710 Fwy. and exit at Eastern.
- The Regency, City of Bell. If I recall, you go north from the Bicycle
  Club on Washington (??)

These places started out as poker emporiums, but have gotten huge offering
Asian games such as Super Pan 9 and Pai Gow - that's what I usually play.
Look for a crazed white guy with red hair and glasses... (That's me..)

Paul McGinnis / TRADER@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Blackjack
In-reply-to: Chris.Bradley@f374.n105.z1.fidonet.org's message of 24 Dec 92 10:24:01 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 26 Dec 92 13:16:16

In article <725290358.AA00000@therose.pdx.com> Chris.Bradley@f374.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Bradley) writes:
>
>  * In a message originally to All, "SON OF TJ" said:
>
>>From: jwf4r@Virginia.EDU ("SON OF TJ")
>>Newsgroups: rec.gambling
>>ALL PLAYERS,
>
>>     This may seem stupid, but how does a casino profit at
>>Blackjack?  If all ties with the dealer are "pushed," why isn't
>>it possible to just play the same rules that the house plays
>>and come out perfectly even?  Allowing for a modicum of human
>>intelligence, shouldn't a player be able to profit most of the
>>time?  I am sure that casinos are not offering a game that
>>gives away money, so what's the catch?  Where is the edge for
>>the casino?  I hope and I am sure that I am not the only one
>>wondering this....no one I have gambled with has been able to
>>tell me, so HELP!
>
> The edge is that you have the opportunity to bust before the house does, and
> if it were that easy, everyone would win at Blackjack. If you play basic
> strategy, you are sitting at a 48/51 shift in the houses favor.

If you mean to imply that the odds at blackjack are 48:51 in favor of the
house, you are *way* off.  This would imply a house edge of several
percent.  Any BJ game worth playing will have a house edge that is less
than 1/2 of 1%, and any decent single deck game in Vegas will have a
house edge of less than 0.2% for basic strategy players.  Occasionally,
games which favor the (basic strategy) player by a very small amount can
be found.
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Don't worry, I just have these harmless pocket rockets...."
From: jacob@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jacob Jin)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Blackjack
Date: 22 Dec 1992 06:50:46 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec21.201036.7756@Princeton.EDU> ajackson@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Andrew William Jackson) writes:
>
>Yes, this is a stupid question.  The rules of blackjack favor the house
>in general because if the player breaks, he looses his bet, whether or
>not the dealer breaks.  If you played the same strategy as the dealer you
>would loose. 
>
>ajackson@ernie.princeton.edu

Speaking of loose, might want to check that o key on your keyboard. Other
things to check for looseness is: The pages of the L section of your
dictionary, the standards of intelligence you measure yourself against
others, and the stray piece of shrapnel in your skull.


Happy Holidays!




Blackout/Sparky the Wonder Penguin
From: cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: State and Privincial Lotteries
Date: 26 Dec 1992 22:33:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


If anybody has an up-to-date list of US States and Canadian Provinces that
have state-operated lotteries, please e-mail me a copy (I don't get on here
as often as I'd like) for a writing project I'm working on.

I can't seem to find any reliable, up-to-date information anywhere, and
going through capital city phone books is a difficult, rather iffy
proposition.

Thanks in advance,

Eric
-- 
It is caffeine alone that sets my mind in motion.  It is through beans of
java that thoughts acquire speed, that hands acquire shakes, that shakes
become a warning...I am...IN CONTROL...OF MY ADDICTION!
---From the Minicon Graffiti Wall, 1989(?)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: QUESTION
From: venkataraman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu (Remesh Venkataraman)
Date: 24 Dec 1992 16:56 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


Let's say that a dealer tips you off to the existence of a small card under
his/her 10/A.  Should stand pat ALL the time ? If you are counting, I assume
that you would go ahead and hit in extremely negative true counts.  If so,
what would such a count be. 

Thanks,

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all fellow rec.gamblers.

-ramesh
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From: schroedg@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Bentley)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Some Las Vegas condit
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:39:51 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In article <1992Dec20.003128.699@fibers> mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck) writes:
>The Frontier has oodles of single deck games with (S17, DOA, DAS), but
>typically only 2 of them are available at $1 minimum bet.  The rest are
>$5 minimum, with possibly one or two at $15 or $25.

And speaking of the Frontier...how's penetration there?  We're going up
in a couple weeks...hehehhe...still got a couple hundred of those
room tokens...so I think we'll rent out the whole top floor.  :)

Bill
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Recommendations on Omaha books, programs?
Date: 31 Dec 1992 01:13:47 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: gibdo.engr.washington.edu

mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
| I've become way intrigued with hi-lo Omaha, 8 or better.  (It's my
| decided opinion that this will eventually overtake hold 'em in
| popularity and may someday be the format for the World Series.)
| 
| Can anyone recommend books and/or software programs?  Thanks.

  Ray Zee has a new book out that's decent.  It's a bit rambling and
  imprecise, but there are some good ideas and concepts.

  I've seen software with Omaha-hi, but I don't think there are any
  good programs with the split game.  I'm thinking of writing one on
  the side, but the theory on Omaha-split is not that well defined.

  I keep changing my mind on the relative values of high-hands versus
  low hands.  Sometimes, I convince myself that low hands are better,
  and other times, A-2-x-x doesn't look good to me. 

  Just looking at some rough calculations (*very* rough), if you start
  with the nut low (A-2):

    -You are only going for half the pot (unless you hit a straight
     or flush or some other good high hand.)

    -With the nut A-2 and nothing else, there is a good chance of 
     getting counterfeited and in Omaha, a pair of aces doesn't cut it.
     Three of the five up-cards have to be 8-or-lower *and* different
     from your two low cards.  In other words, you're trying to hit 
     6 values (instead of 8) out of thirteen on three out of five
     cards.  The odds are against you here.  If you are going for
     half the pot, your expected value is less than 25% of the pot.

    -In Omaha, a significant percentage of winning low hands get
     quartered.  It would be interesting to determine how often
     this happens.  My guess is that it happens more times than
     most people would think.

  Unless you hit the straight or flush (and the odds of this can be
  calculated, but it would be harder to calculate the odds of having
  the *high* straight or flush), starting out with the nut low and
  no support will give you an expected value of probably less than
  20% of the final pot.  (Actually, it's probably more if you figure
  in the ability to bail-out after a bad flop and the long-shots of
  lucking into the winning high hand.)

  If anyone knows of a book with a good discussion of the theory
  behind omaha-8-or-better, please let me know.
  ==

  Bob                                              Seattle, Washington
From: 31rhodes@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Ceasers info
Date: 24 Dec 92 12:29:53 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Could someone please send me or post any information on Ceasers new casino.  I
think its in Louisana.

Thanks, 
Tim R.
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jka@ece.cmu.edu (Jay Adams)
Subject: hold'em trivia
Originator: jka@mustang.ece.cmu.edu
Organization: CMU ECE Dept.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:37:37 GMT


> If you want to make a straight in hold'em, what are the best two cards
> to start with?  I was analyzing starting hands and this question came
> up because the numbers I was getting ran counter to my intuition.  In
> fact, I was pretty sure I had found a bug.
> 
> I thought that the best hand would be something like 87, giving you
> plenty of room in both directions to fill the straight.  But 65 and T9
> are marginally better, and surprisingly, 54 and JT are better still.
> This last result is what astonished me.  I had to work the combinatorics
> by hand before I believed it.

Yep.  The intuitive answer is that 87, 9T, and TJ (the same goes for
67, and 56) each have the same probability of completing a straight
involving the two hole cards.  The only difference is the chance of
getting a straight that doesn't involve the hole cards--that's where
TJ (and 56) are better than the others.  And, of course, with JQ you
reduce your chances of getting a straight that uses your hole cards.

Interesting...

- Jay
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