HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: adrian.mathew@f804.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Adrian Mathew)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: "RAGE" "COUNTDOWN" SYMALCAST
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 18 Jan 93 22:48:55 GMT

Hi', to readers of Aus Music.  How are you?  Did anyone catch up with the
"Rage/CountDown" symalcast on the weekend?  If you did, you'll agree with me
that it's a great thing that Aus music has progressed since those days.  I
stayed up most of Saturday morning for the first three episodes which were
shown.  Although the seventies were dominated by teeny bopper groups like
Sherbet and Sky Hooks, one could only conclude after watching those shows
that Vander & Young were the 'seventies.'  They helped the careers of such
people as John/Paul Young, Stevie Right and (of all people(, William
Shakespeare.  I wish that some radio station in this country could do a
special on Vander & Young some day.  Of course, "CountDown", owed its
success to Ian Molly Meldrum.  However, I understand that it is a part of
his life that he's trying very hard to forget about.  I only tuned into the
first of Sunday morning's programmes which was the tenth anniversary
"CountDown" special.  I wasn't really that keen on the eighties shows.  I
would value your thoughts on how you feel "CountDown" could assist the Aus
music industry if it was revived today.  (Heaven help us).  (Grin).  Bye For
Now, Adrian Mathew.    

--- TMail v1.31.2
 * Origin: Oracle PC-Network Australia's Busiest BBS (08) 234-0791
(3:800/804)
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: Rap music
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:00:07 GMT

kjm@buc.edu.au (Kevin Moore) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.212449.22893@g2syd.genasys.com.au> davew@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Dave White) writes:

>>As to the implied violence of your example, any culture that allows 
>>rampant and seemingly uncontrolled use of guns deserves everything 
>>it gets!

>I don't know. I think having to listen to rap music is cruel and unusual 
>punishment, even for a society which enshrines the right to carry murder 
>weapons in its constitution.

I think the cops who threatened Ice T's record company people stink.
What happened to free speech? I don't believe the track deserved to
be pulled from the album, but Ice was considerate enough to help get
the cops off these guys' backs (threats from cops are scary, esp in
America I imagine... witness Rodney King's case!)...

This has nothing to do with my taste in music... I don't like Ice T's
stuff much. I can tolerate moderate amounts of rap but I don't buy it...

I agree that the society in America would have helped to produce violent
people and violent recordings, and I don't agree with the pro-Gun people...

That's about all... Have an average day.
Paul


--
Second Hand vinyl for sale: Depeche Mode, Indie, Severed Heads,
Beloved, New Order, Pet Shop Boys, Stone Roses, Inspiral Carpets,
Cabaret Voltaire. Excell. Cond. Also X1 as NEW $88US, $110AUS.
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Rap music
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:23:47 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

aa593@Freenet.carleton.ca (Iain Pidcock) writes:

>So, Brian May thinks rap is a product of Canadian Society eh?
>And we let our folks run around with guns do we?  Guess again
>genius.  American law and the American costitution apply to
>the United States of America only.  Your statement is as
>rediculous as saying violence and guns are a product 
>of New Zealand and American society.  Ever heard of 
>a nation's sovereignty?  Just because we border the USA
>doesn't mean to say our culture and crime stats mirrors
>the united states any more so than Australia mirrors 
>that of Indonesia.  Garbage statements like the one you
>make only serve to prove that you can type faster than
>you can think.  Get the facts and prove to me that Canada allows
>the free use of firearms and i'll buy you a big bottle of 
>vegemite. 

Let me just try to defuse this a bit. Canada has a rather low profile
here, and to many of us, it's almost an American state. Its culture
seems to be almost identical to American culture, its economy dependent
upon America, the accents watered-down American accents, and its music
quite American-oriented. You must excuse us for our ignorance in this
matter. Do you know the difference between Burma, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia,
Malaysia, and Vietnam? I do, to a degree, but only because I've lived in
Thailand; I wouldn't expect most people here to. 

The fact remains, however, from your own statements: Canada is affected
heavily by America, and this includes gun smuggling and violence.
I don't know whether or not the following would be true: Canada's
government hasn't done enough to stamp out such smuggling, and this
approximates an implicit permission for such things to occur.


I agree that violence in music is not a positive thing. But to target
rap as the culprit is unfair. Consider the violent images in heavy metal
and industrial music (I like industrial BTW). And many leading rap groups
are pro-peace; it's a minority who heavily endorse violence. De La Soul,
for example, is peaceful, as are the Jungle Brothers, Definition of Sound,
Redhead Kingpin, Dream Warriors, PM Dawn, ...

Paul

--
Second Hand vinyl for sale: Depeche Mode, Indie, Severed Heads,
Beloved, New Order, Pet Shop Boys, Stone Roses, Inspiral Carpets,
Cabaret Voltaire. Excell. Cond. Also X1 as NEW $88US, $110AUS.
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: BDO ???
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:24:51 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)


In article <craigb.727916989@moraine>, craigb@resmel.bhp.com.au (Craig Blundell) writes:
|> Well, how was it ???

as expected

|> Did the rain affect it in any way ???

yes, well - no, apart from everybody getting soaked - the bands played on

|> Comments please !!!

Give us a break - we're tired! The first person to post a proper review 
wins a trip to the health food shop from me!

manyana

brian
--
| Brian.May@mel.dit.csiro.au |           Open Systems Program           |
| CSIRO/DIT, 723 Swanston st | TEL +61 3 282 2613 -- FAX +61 3 282 2600 |
|Carlton, VIC 3053, Australia|          Experimental Scientist          |
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brianm@boar.tansu.com.au (Brian Martin)
Subject: Re: Rap music
Reply-To: brianm@boar.tansu.com.au
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:18:30 GMT

People keep forgetting the silent "c" in "rap" music.

brianm@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: music radio (Re: Johnny Diesel and the Injectors)
Date: 21 Jan 93 06:39:20 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
X-Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
X-Witty-Saying: "Mobius strip - see other side for instructions"

In article <pet.727350415@munagin>,
    pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:

| On this, I believe there are a lot of pirate radio stations in the UK.

Ah yes, I remember listening to Radio Caroline...  Good music, too.

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
Xref: sparky aus.music:2195 alt.music.alternative:21040
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: apology (Re: Chris Karadaglis hates KYLIE)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 05:24:18 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: mulka.ph.unimelb.edu.au
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Chris Karadaglis (ck@iconix.oz.au) wrote:


: "I hate her, everyone I know hates her, and a majority of people they
: know hate her."


	you oughta get out and meet some people

	and maybe dont spend so much time around
the big K if you dont like her.
	
					CE
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: jlb@tpg.tpg.oz.au (John Butcher)
Subject: Re: How do i get good seat tickets in melb?
Organization: The Preston Group, Pty. Ltd.
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 06:59:03 GMT


If the tickets are thru Bass the only way you are guaranteed of getting good
tickets is to a) Work there or b) Know someone who does.

This is one of my pet hates, I know for a fact that the employees can get tickets
before the public (I know some people who had Iron Maiden tickets and now have
GN'R tickets - both booked thru an employee in advance)
It doesn't matter how long you line up, although I know of one occasion (Poison)
where Myers in the city had security that night numbering people with black texta
so that in the morning the ones with numbers were put at the front of the queue.

All Bass outlets are supposed to open at the same time, on big days, they
generally let you to the actual Bass outlet before it opens (ie before Myers
opens). Despite the queues, Ive always had the best luck in the city, and until
you get an inside contact, lining up for hours is the only way to get anywhere
near decent tickets.

-- 
John Butcher              The Preston Group
jlb@tpg.tpg.oz.au         488 Victoria St               +61 3 428 8899 (voice)
                          Richmond VIC 3121 Australia   +61 3 427 1968 (fax)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        Don't hit a man with spectacles, hit him with a baseball bat
From: mzs@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Want to start a band (Adelaide)
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:54:16 CST
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

I am interested in putting together a band in the Adelaide area.  Initially
it would be jamming etc to both have a good time and improve my playing
and broaden my musical horizons, however, if things click, the sky is the 
limit !

I play guitar and a bit of synth.  The equipment I have includes an Ibanez
RG540, SY22, Fostex X-26 4 track and an Amiga running Tiger Cub for 
sequencing.  My guitar is put through a Zoom 9002 and I also have a Yamaha
half rack reverb.

Those musicians who have most influenced by playing and songwriting include
Mark Knopfler, Extreme, Def Leppard, Noiseworks and some many less raucous 
bands too numerous to mention.

If any singers and keyboards in the Adelaide area find this interesting, 
please e-mail me at

	MZS@DSTOS3.DSTO.GOV.AU

Regards

Michael Stone
Ericsson Defence Systems
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor)
Subject: Re: apology (Re: Chris Karadaglis hates KYLIE)
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:03:35 GMT

cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:
>Chris Karadaglis (ck@iconix.oz.au) wrote:

>: "I hate her, everyone I know hates her, and a majority of people they
>: know hate her."

>	you oughta get out and meet some people

Meet Kylie fans? Better to stay indoors.


						Steve
From: hamster@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Radio Shmadio, as long as I'm rich
Date: 23 Jan 93 05:41:32 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Disorganized...
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <a.norrish.36.0@trl.oz.au> a.norrish@trl.oz.au (Mark E. Smith's speech therapist-ah) writes:

> I see that there's going to be a film here soon called Malcolm X. I
> saw the first one (you know, with the car that splits in half) and
> didn't think it warranted one sequel, let alone nine. I just bet it's
> full of rap music too.

:-)

(I like that, can I have permission to borrow it?) ;-)

> If Meatloaf fell over in the forest, and there was no-one there to
> hear him, would he make a noise?

Only if Jim Steinman was there to produce it.


[Various tidbits deleted. Is this guy aus.music's own Elliot Goblet??]

> If you get a chance, come and see my new band play. You might
> remember our SAW tribute band, but we dropped that after it became
> apparent that no-one will admit to liking Kylie et al (although
> secretly you all must, because someone must buy her records for her
> to be number 1). Now, after constant monitoring of the net, we have
> decided to be a Smiths cover band, because the net is full of cRaZy
> sTuDeNtZ, and they all seem to talk about this Smiths mob. So we went

tHeY aRe HuMaN aNd ThEy NeEd To Be LoVeD, jUsT lIkE eVeRyBoDy ElSe DuZ.

> Is it just me, or does anybody else hate those little security
> stickers in the backs of CD cases in stores?

[Yes, this guy IS aus music's very own Elliot Goblet]


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia  -  hamster@xymox.apana.org.au
    "The Looks Or The Lifestyle? I'll take the lifestyle. And the looks."
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis)
Subject: Re: Rap music
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:49:25 GMT

In <1993Jan25.041320.1303@freenet.carleton.ca> aa593@Freenet.carleton.ca (Iain Pidcock) writes:


>Oh oh.  Misunderstood again.  Please, no one is suggesting
>banning anything.  I am the last person to suggest censorship
>and such like.  I just thought that it would be useful if
>people stopped to think about what they are listening to.
>I know that a lot of people wholeheartedly accept the
>content of rap music as somehow being an "education".
>Kids who listen to the more violent crap should be aware 
>that there is nothing particularilly glamorous about 
>violence.  If you saw a ghetto in L.A. and then 
>listened to kids talk like they somehow identify with
>this sort of thing you would understand.  I'm talking 
>about kids from neighbourhoods and cities not plagued
>by poverty and violence.  What do they really get
>from NWA talking about killing police?  They seem to 
>enjoy the idea.  It is a fact that rap music has 
>been linked to the dissemination of gang values throughout
>society.  I mean, listen to the content!  

I guess you're making a valid point here. I believe it's
counterproductive to put out a song about killing police,
but I'm sure that in the context of gang wars, neighborhood
politics and some crappy cops, someone out there was motivated
to write such a song. The problem is that some of these songs
(and I can't quote an example because I don't specifically listen
to that stuff) are taken out of the context that they were written
in and used to take the sting out of rap music.

>I guess it 
>is really up to the listener to exercise good 
>judgement, but I remind you, good judgement is not
>something adolescents are known for.

That's exactly the point I'm trying to make. I think for
songs such as the ones about killing police, one should take
a step back from listening to it literally and seeing the
motivation required to write such a song. Ok, it may be
as lame as for money, but there is usually a reason. (that's
what I believe anyway..)

Some of the rap stuff I've heard is unbelievable (ie great).
Issues in the states such as the emergency services (call 911)
got a real shakeup (apparently) due to the publicity which rap
caused. And "Television" by DHoH is fantastic.

>I just want people to think about music and listen to
>the message.  Some music doesn't have a message. Fine.
>Is there anything in that message that you agree with
>and why or why not?  

Take a step back and work out why the song was written.

>This might seem like a big task
>but really its not that big of a deal. Try it with
>Motorhead sometime...

Not if I can help it.

>-- 
>Iain Pidcock  - Carleton University Student, Ottawa Canada

>For the future we look to the stars, they look back and laugh
>"What me Worry?"- Alfred E. Newman

Shckwish! (Chris Karadaglis)

Newsgroups: aus.music
From: aa593@Freenet.carleton.ca (Iain Pidcock)
Subject: Re: Rap music
Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:29:19 GMT


For those who believe this rubbish, give me a moment of 
your time...
     Canada has stricter gun laws than Australia.  Regrettably
scum from the USA (not americans, just american scum) cross
the border smuggling in weapons.  Our murder rate is many many
times lower than that of the United States.  It is indeed
sad that in the USA americans have chosen to kill each other.
I can tell you right now what anyone who has ever been to 
Canada would know. We are a peace loving people.  We have our
share of violent crime.  In the United States of America
over 10 000 people are murdered every year.  This is not
something to be happy about.  I am arguing that celebrating
violence in music is deplorable.  For those who have
the good judgement and are able to listen objectively,
well done.  For the millions of kids who look up to 
Ice-T, a man who raps about shooting police, I fear for
your future.  Where once rap was a protest against
violence, it is now a celebration of violence.  A disease
like this knows no boundaries.  
-- 
Iain Pidcock  - Carleton University Student, Ottawa Canada

For the future we look to the stars, they look back and laugh
"What me Worry?"- Alfred E. Newman
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: aa593@Freenet.carleton.ca (Iain Pidcock)
Subject: Re: Rap music
Reply-To: aa593@Freenet.carleton.ca (Iain Pidcock)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:52:21 GMT


In a previous article, brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) says:

>
>In article <1993Jan25.041320.1303@freenet.carleton.ca>, aa593@Freenet.carleton.ca (Iain Pidcock) writes:
>|> 
>|> Oh oh.  Misunderstood again.  Please, no one is suggesting
>|> banning anything.  I am the last person to suggest censorship
>|> and such like.  I just thought that it would be useful if
>|> people stopped to think about what they are listening to.
>
>If you hadn't had made such cut-and-dried statements in the beginning
>(more 'research' perhaps) you wouldn't have been interpreted so.
>
>I agree with your last sentance wholeheartedly. What people need
>is the ability to think for themselves, not mass xenophobia.
>
>Also, think about why Ice T wrote "Cop Killer". I'm not condoning
>the song - just asking you to think about it. I think that the end
>product of the song diverted all attention from the issue it _should_ 
>have addressed (IMHO) and onto Mr T.
>
>brian
>--
>| Brian.May@mel.dit.csiro.au |           Open Systems Program           |
>| CSIRO/DIT, 723 Swanston st | TEL +61 3 282 2613 -- FAX +61 3 282 2600 |
>|Carlton, VIC 3053, Australia|          Experimental Scientist          |
>

I've thought about it, and without getting inside his head
I think he wrote it to make a buck.(most likely several of
them).  I still think Ice-T is a scum bag.  Can't change my
mind on that.  Perhaps more research is necessary...:-)
                   Iain

-- 
Iain Pidcock  - Carleton University Student, Ottawa Canada

For the future we look to the stars, they look back and laugh
"What me Worry?"- Alfred E. Newman
Xref: sparky aus.music:2128 rec.music.misc:30798
From: craigb@resmel.bhp.com.au (Craig Blundell)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: BDO ???
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:09:49 GMT
Organization: BHP Research - Melbourne Laboratories
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: moraine.resmel.bhp.com.au

Well, how was it ???

Did the rain affect it in any way ???

Comments please !!!



Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: G&R's worst song
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 01:26:26 GMT


In article <1jvb0rINNdbd@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>, cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:
|> 	i used to respect the Gunnas
|> 	i dont care what anyone else says
|> 	but Knocking on Heavens door is the worst song
|> Guns and Roses ever wrote!

Fear not Colin, they didn't (unless I'm woefully mistaken)

So, how were Tlot Tlot as their support band?

brian
--
| Brian.May@mel.dit.csiro.au |           Open Systems Program           |
| CSIRO/DIT, 723 Swanston st | TEL +61 3 282 2613 -- FAX +61 3 282 2600 |
|Carlton, VIC 3053, Australia|          Experimental Scientist          |
From: sjames@adam.adelaide.edu.au (S James)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Womadelaide - What's the venue like?
Date: 20 Jan 93 05:51:24 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: adam.adelaide.edu.au

gregr@joyce.cs.su.oz.au (Greg Ryan) writes:

>What is the Botanic Park in Adelaide like as a venue?  What can one expect
>of this venue at Womadelaide?  Perhaps someone from Adelaide can shed some
>light.

>Is this the same site used at the last Womadelaide?  Would anyone who
>attended the last one care to comment

I attended last years Womadelaide, the venue was terrific.
Forget all those fears about outdoor concerts, this location was perfect.
The area has many large trees, for shade and plenty of room to move around
There were two main stages, so whilst one band was setting up the other
played. This meant that everyone got up and moved at the end of each act
which was fun.
There was a large area set aside for food and drink, which from memory was
good.
The atmosphere was great, after 30 hours of music over the weekend, the
park could have been on another planet and no one would have cared.
So with the added bonus of Gabriel's first Australian appearance and the
other fine musicians, I think that Womadelaide '93 will be the event not
to miss.
Steve James
.
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: gregr@joyce.cs.su.oz.au (Greg Ryan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Gabriel at WOMADelaide
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:17:30 GMT
Reply-To: gregr@cs.su.oz.au (Greg Ryan)
Distribution: aus
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia

Peter Gabriel is playing Friday and Saturday night at WOMADelaide in February.
Has anyone heard anything about the show he plans or the band he intends to use?

				Greg Ryan	gregr@cs.su.oz.au
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Rap music
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:03:52 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: mulka.ph.unimelb.edu.au
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


	Lighten up scum suckers

	Give rap fans the credit of free thought that
you yourselves can't muster up.

	enjoy the sound, and the attitude

	you dont have to kill a cop to enjoy
	just as you dont have to take smack to listen to lou Reed
	or commit suicide to listen to joy division
	or be gay to like bronski beat
				etc

			CE
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: chris@labtam.labtam.oz.au
 (Chris Taylor)
Subject: Billy Willy
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:22:46 GMT
Keywords: Billy dont be a hero

Why are so many people making fun of poor Billy Willy Ray Cyrus?

People have been suggesting doubt that Billy could fill the Tennis Centre
on the strength of his one hit. 
Don't they realize Billy's effect on many members of the female sex?
These women find men with square heads, no necks and pony-tails irresistable,
especially when they can make rhymes.

I know that Billy seems like the sort of guy who would be a "self confessed
chick magnet" and I have also heard claims that he reckons he is the new Elvis
(Shakin' Stevens where are you?) but I saw Billy on an American Music Awards
show some time back and it appears that the guy is a WIMP.

He stood there looking like a frightened bunny rabbit while accepting his
awards, thanking his Ma and Pa and the good Lord Jesus.

I thought "what a waste". All those attractive powers that turn female
hearts to jelly but he probably spends his Sundays in church and has 
dinner with his parents during the week - while REAL MEN like me are
trapped in horrible little bodies.

Then the brainwave hit me - the mercendising scoop of the 90's.
The "Billy Willy Ray Cyrus monkey suit" - ala the guerilla suit.
Step in - zip it up - instant sex appeal !!

In the tradition of the Guerilla-o-gram we could then have the
Billy-Ray-o-gram. Think of the potential business in servicing Ladies nights
and Tupperware parties.
I can see it now - doing the "Chuck Berry hop" in a Billy-suit while all the
women go mad doing that wild "Achy Breaky heart dance".

This is just the sort of original thinking and opportunism we need to
put this country back on it's feet.
Newsgroups: aus.music