From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Two Sources and two compounds of rock-n-roll
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:25:26 GMT
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <AAk0VYgyt3@tixmcnit.tambov.su> klg@tixmcnit.tambov.su writes:
>The whole history of rock music is divided in two parts: rock and
>dancuhment.
>1. Rock:
>        Foundators: Rolling Stones,later Led Zeppelin;Black Sabbath
>        (also first three albums);Deep Purple(also with Ian Gillan);
>        Pink Floyd(before album "The Wall");
>        now Metallica and Cinderella.(Led Zeppelin now,but not Condom
>        King & Guns'n'Roses)
>        Potential liders: Exodus, Napalm Death, Tankard.
>
>2. Dancuhment:
>        Foundators:The Beatles and all who don't exist in the first Part.
>        (Starting with Doors, Cream,Creedance, and finishing with
>        Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Dire Straits, Pet Shop Boys) We call
>        them bad company, and so this is
>        dump.

According to what I hear, the history of rock music came right off blues and
jazz and had this thing in the '50s, then the First British Invasion of the
'60s and early '70s, some stuff going on in America all the while and later
some spinoffs of the UK Invasion, then punk, then New Wave Of British Heavy 
Metal from late '70s to early '80s and then ten years of spinoffs from both
the punk movement and New UK Invasion while other music stuff in America
and Japan and Europe taking off in synth / technopop /other weird stuff
going on. And some other stuff I missed, but I find that your chronology
just took a visit to Milliways (and if you don't know where Milliways is, read
you Douglas Adams).

>>    Our opinion about groups:
>        Queen - the worst group in the world. Freddie Mercury spoiled it,
>        because he is a kid. Queen can be listened to without Freddie
>        Mercury.

I've heard much worse than Queen. 

>        Moterhead - bad primitive rock-n-rolls.

Primitive, yes. Bad? Depends on your taste. I've again heard much worse.

>        Kiss - the group for the mass listener.

Maybe Kiss from early '80s to the new album, yes.

>        John Lord had spoiled all the Deep Purple with his keyboards,
>        and since that tune keyboards spoils the sound of any group.
>        (he is a kid too.)

Keyboards do not spoil the sound of any group. You obviously do not listen to
enough Triarchy, Angel Witch, or Praying Mantis or Hawkwind or else you would
have come up with a different opinion. White Spirit also had cool keyboards as
did Faith No More in their Chuck Mosely days.

>        Anthrax - like the New Kids of the Block, but they play faster.

Yeah, I can see the New Kids doing "Armed And Dangerous," "Deathrider," 
"Howling Furies," etc.

>        Iron Maiden - hard Madonna(Pops + Heavy)

Not quite.

>        Van Hallen - music for McDonald's

This is getting ludicrous here.

>        Guns'n'Roses - foolish propaganda corps.

OK, I agree with you here (but this is my opinion as well)
>
>   In general, many BonJovism and Gans'n'Rosism are in the sounds of
>American groups.

Then why don't you find some Manowar, Warrior, or Dokken? No GNR or Bon Jovi
sounds there.
>
>We'll glad, if somebody will share our opinion.
>
Sorry to disappoint you.
>
>Long Live Rock'n'Roll,Boys !

I would hardly consider "heavy metal" "rock'n'roll." Too dissimilar.
>
>>From Russia with Love, Girls !

Great book. Good movie.
>
>P.S.
>        The best vocals:Robert Plant(now Tom Keifer)
>        The best guitarist:Ritchie Blackmore(now Kirk Hammet,
>        his melodies are much alike Blackmore's ones.)
>        The best bass:Kliff Burton(better tracktor bass og Roger Glover,
>        (now - bassist from Anthrax)
>        The best drammer: Bonzo(now-Lars Ulrich,espetually on Justice,
>        and last album)
>
>        The Worst vocals: F.Mercury
>        The Worst guitar player: I.Malmsteen
>        The Worst bassist: Lammy
>        The Worst drummer: from Manowar.

kThere is no such thing as the "best / worst" musician. It's how you feel 
listening to them. The best ones (note plural, meaning there can be many,
many musicians considered) are able to inspireemotions as what they expect
out of a song from a larger audience than the worse ones, but the best are maby in number and not to just a few. Cliff Burton best bassist? He was good
for Metallica's sound, but as far as being technical he was far from the best. 
AS far as Metallica is concerned, I say he is, but as far as the music world
is concerned, I'd say otherwise.

philip
"Washington Boulevard, east-bound. Thirty-three...Can I get a transfer, man?
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GETTING THERE!!!" - Faith No More, "Death March"
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