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From: aj@lew.rosemount.com (Andy Joe)
Subject: Re: Blad vs Mamiya (Lenses, Weight, Other)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:35:50 GMT

In article <1icvueINNq2b@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> monson@hobo.ECE.ORST.EDU (Ty Monson) writes:
>In article <1icqrtINN968@iraul1.ira.uka.de> uli@i13d5.ira.uka.de (Uli Bodenhausen) writes:
>>
>>It seems to me as if the purchase of Hasselblad equipment can also be seen
>>as an investment. The price of this stuff probably goes up. So if you can take
>>care of the equipment very well and it isn't stolen, you probably don't
>>loose money.
>>
> In the USA, a Hasselblad 500 Classic kit costs about $2400.
> In the secondary market, it seems that an 80mm lens, 500 C/M body,
> and A12 film back in good condition sell for $1500-$1700.
> I don't think it is wise to purchase this equipment thinking that
> you can get your money back unless you are buying used stuff from
> an individual at unusually attractive prices.


Everytime I read some articles about the pros/cons of buying
Hasselblad equipment (or Leica's) I hear people mentioning the word
investment.  The question I have is can you really consider the
purchase of this highly expensive exotic equipment to be an
investment?

Over 10 years ago, I purchased a bunch of Leica equipment becaused
I liked the stuff a lot and also thought about it as an investment.
I paid over $5000.00 for the stuff (new at 30 percent off retail)
and sold it off for around $2400.00 (I think I could have sold it
for more, but I didn't try to hard).  At first I thought "not too
bad, I still got almost 50% of my money back and had the stuff for
over 10 years!".  Then I thought about inflation...

Checking out the CPI back in the early 80's (I'm no economy expert,
so I could be totaly out of whack), I sort of guess that things right
now cost about 2 to 2-1/2 times as much as they did back in the
early 80's.  So I'm guessing that I roughly got only about 15-20%
return on my money.  Not great, but probably better than another
manufactor camera :-)

Anyways, getting back to my original question..  Can you consider
purchasing a Hasselblad an "investment"????   

BTW, I almost bought a Hasselblad Classic before christmas (The
dealer wouldn't take another medium format camera for trade so
I decided to wait til I could unload it), and I still might (my
itch to get one is slowly fading ;-))

Also along the same line... Do people consider most new consumer
products/cameras these days as being disposable?  With everything being
electronic these days, the electronics are gonna fail sooner
or later.  (That was another reason I almost bought the Hassey.. 
totally manual - just like my trusty Leica M3 that I still have :-)) )



aj.
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From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Re: Some very BASIC questions.
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:04:17 GMT

In <58334@dime.cs.umass.edu> shekhar@sinai.pilgrim.umass.edu (Ajay Shekhar) writes:

>Hi,
>	I am trying to learn a bit about cameras/photography, so please
>excuse the naivety of the following questions. Could some one please
>explain the meaning of the following terms ::

>* Interval Timer

Can automatically takes a picture at timed intervals.  For example,
taking a picture out of your hotel window once every hour.

>* What does "with GR20" and "EL" mean when referring to the Remote feature on
>cameras.

This is specific to EOS 630, 650, and RT.  These cameras have a "grip"
which is removed in order to change batteries.  The standard grip does
not allow for a cable release.  You must buy the GR20 grip in order to
have a socket that allows use of an electronic cable release.  (Not
mechanical, like other cameras.)  So "EL" stands for "ELectronic" cable
release.

>* What does "b = M&C, f=M" mean when referring to Material of Body, for cameras
>* What does the term Depth Field Preview mean ?

M=Metal.  C="Composite" (usually polycarbonate)

>I was looking at the Camera-Feature-List, when I came across these terms.
>Since most of you will be knowing the meaning of these terms, I will appreciate
>a reply to my e-mail account, to avoid cluttering the news group.
>Thanks a lot !!

If you're interested in Canon EOS stuff, look at the EOS FAQ.  Some
find it to be useful.  (I hope to include more "beginner" material
by version 2.)

ACS
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From: glporter@zeus.calpoly.edu (Glen Porter)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: does anyone have an old style copy of the CAMERA FEATURE LIST
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:44:47 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

Alright, so I deleted it prematurely . . .  

Thankyou very much!

-glen

  I really need the definitions at the end of the list!
  Otherwise, I wont be able to attach them to the end of the new list!


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From: ksampath@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Krishna S Sampath)
Subject: Re: Tripod question?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:15:15 GMT

In article <31475@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com> rickh@ems.cdc.com (Richard Herwig) writes:
>Im going to buy a SLIK 444.  Ive picked this one because its fairly
>light-weight (I do a lot of backpacking) and it is capable of raising
>my 35mm camera to my eye-level (5-8).
>
>Any comments, suggestions, flames will be greatly appreciated!
>
>-- 
>                Richard F. Herwig  -  email: rickh@ems.cdc.com 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>I came, I saw, I took a nap.

ofcourse, we do *not* flame on rec.photo.

suggestions? 
a bogen 3001 perhaps, with a small head....

krishna
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From: ychen@hubcap.clemson.edu (Eric Chen)
Subject: Re: graphic arts film help
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:26:43 GMT

edharris@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

>I am using Kodak 6556 graphic arts film, but if possible I'd like a film with
>better resolution ( they guy at the camera store couldn't think of anything
>better ).

>Anybody know of a film, or am I out of luck?

>ps this is just for making clear field/dark field photomasks...

>Thanks
>Ed
--------------------------------------------------

Actually, 6556 is an excellent high contrast film. The loss of
resolution might be affected by the D-11 developer, which 50% of the 
recommeded concentration with twice longer developing time will give
you better resolution.  Overdeveloping time will lost resolution in
this type of film (Ortholith 6556).

I think you might try some medium contrast film to get higher resolution
for your need. 

Eric
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Subject: Re: Photo CD
From: Spartacus/CUNY LC NY <LENBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 11 Jan 1993 14:06:52 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <11JAN199313190079@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov>,
glk9533@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg L. Kimnach) says:
>Granted, I recently lost the opportunity to rent ANY new title on Beta (can
>purchase all new ones though, if it's a "keeper").  However, I can rent many
>titles on LD, and use I Beta for timeshifting, archiving, and producing my own
>videos.  So my video system is not single dimensional.  I did pick the best!
>
>Have you ever seen a betamax and its picture?
>
>Hehehehe......

Yup...I read about it in history books.
     Har Har Har

Now seriously, isn't that the format which failed because
Sony didn't understand people bought VCRs to play movies
and not the other way around? Hehehehe

hmm, can you still find blank tapes for that old dinosaur?
:-) :-) :-)
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From: byrde@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Olivier Byrde)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: drying negative
Keywords: negative
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:23:14 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology

Hi Gary!

IMHO, it works... actually, a cold shower will be ok: you will get less steam,
and room temperature won't be too high (for you & chemicals).
Just remember: do not move too close to your negatives as they are drying...
you are carrying a lot of dust on yourself !

Have fun, Olivier

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From: gerry@dvorak.amd.com (Gerard McKee)
Subject: Sources for Quantity Printing
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:13:35 GMT


QUANTITY PRINTING SOURCES?

Does anyone know the names of suppliers that do quantity printing
of B&W and Color Glossies at cheap prices. The one I know about is
called Mass Photo in Houston. They will print 100 8x10 B&W glossies
for $0.36 each. Are there any others?


Gerry McKee
gerry@wopner.amd.com
From: egret@wet.UUCP (thomas helke)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: For Sale: KIEV 88 ?
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:19:48 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

I have a Kiev 88 camera outfit for sale. It takes lovely
pictures, but I don't have a darkroom and have not been
devoting much time to medium format photography. I bought
this in June 1992 and have shot only 5-10 rolls of film
with it. It is in virtually new condition and still under
1 year US warranty (until June 1993). 

The Kiev 88 outfit comes with the following:

Camera body (Hasselblad 1000F clone)
80mm lens
Y/G and UV filters
2 - 120 backs
lens hood
leather case.

All in perfect condition for $ 395.
Please leave email if interested. 

Thomas Helke
egret@wet.UUCP
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:08:52 CST
From: Theodore Stresen-Reuter <U42075@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: IBM vs. Mac for stock business

Hello,

I would like to start a discussion addressing the pros and cons of IBM
vs. Macintosh as a multipurpose machine for an independent photographer.
Let's start with the following: You already have an established
photography business.  You specialize in photographing dogs.  Your
business is turning more and more from photographing at shows to
individual house calls for advertising.  This turn is even beginning to
include calls from advertisers not in the dog business, but who need a
picture of a dog for some purpose.  Until now you have done everything
by hand, billing, bookeeping, everything.  You now have $3000 dollars to
spend on a computer and you believe that your business is eventually
going to end up as a stock photography collection specializing in
animals.

Here is the question: Do you buy an IBM or a Macintosh (or some other
system) and why?

Some things to keep in mind:

You would like to use your computer for image manipulation and for image
storage purposes.

You have virtually no experience with computers.

You have friends with both systems who could lend a hand when it comes
time to learn but you are not preparred to pay for consultation.


As you can imagine this comes from the real life experience of a friend
of mine and I am posting this as a favor to her.  Please make all
responses to this newsgroup and feel free to opine as you please.  I
work with both systems and am devoted to Macintosh for countless
reasons, but more than any other, because it fits my style and that is
as important a reason as any.

Thank you for you consideration,

     Theodore Stresen-Reuter
     u42075@uicvm.cc.uic.edu
     Interactive design enthusiast and Spanish teacher

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From: M18709@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Paint on Nikon N6006 peeling
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:41:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.131109.15943@rosevax.rosemount.com>
aj@lew.rosemount.com (Andy Joe) writes:
 
>
>The paint on my brother's N6006 is peeling off (actually, the paint is
>sort of flaking off) the back cover of the camera body.
>Has anybody else with a N6006 had this happen to them?  Is this normal
>or a bad paint job?
>
>aj.
 
My N6006 is peeling as well.  Mainly where my right thumb holds the back.  My
camera is a little more then one year old and receives average use with very
little ruff handling.  I have not noticed any of the flakes.  Certainly none
have found their way into the inside.  I love the camera except for its battery
drain.
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From: milan@italia.boeing.com (Milan Richter)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Advice needed on 35mm slide projectors PLEASE!!!
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:52:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boeing Computer Services

Before Christmas I posted the following request, but got no answers.
Maybe it was bad time to ask. So here it is again, with additional
questions.

I am planning to buy a 35mm slide projector, and would like to ask for 

1. opinions about the usefulness of different features
2. recommendations for particular makes/models

I need something in the "middle of the road", not a cheap stuff but also
not a high-end professional equipment. It's for home use. I think I
should have an autofocus and perhaps a remote control (wire is fine).

I looked at the KODAK carousel projectors (4200, 4400, 4600, 5600) and
was somewhat put off by the esthetics of their appearance. Then I saw
briefly one Reflecta projector, that looked better. Finally I inspected
the Leica P150, which I liked most and the price seemed reasonable --
$299. Looks, however, can be deceiving. The salesperson claimed that
Leica has the best lens of them all. Is that true?

I am a little concerned about the serviceability and repair costs for Leica,
as it does not seem to be widely distributed in the US. From that point of
view, Reflecta may be a better choice, as it is sold in almost every mail 
order house. Any comments?

With respect to these choices, I'd also like to know what people think
about straight trays vs. carousels. If it is not too expensive, I'd like
to store the slides in the trays. What are the cost and space
considerations?

Please reply directly if you have suggestions. Many thanks for help!

-- Milan Richter, Seattle
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: yz3k@galen.med.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: IBM vs. Mac for stockbusiness
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:27:54 GMT

In article <93007.200852U42075@uicvm.uic.edu> Theodore Stresen-Reuter  
<U42075@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> Hello,
> Here is the question: Do you buy an IBM or a Macintosh (or some other
> system) and why?
> 
> Some things to keep in mind:
> 
> You would like to use your computer for image manipulation and for image
> storage purposes.
> 
> You have virtually no experience with computers.
> 
> You have friends with both systems who could lend a hand when it comes
> time to learn but you are not preparred to pay for consultation.
> As you can imagine this comes from the real life experience of a friend
> of mine and I am posting this as a favor to her.  Please make all
> responses to this newsgroup and feel free to opine as you please.  I
> work with both systems and am devoted to Macintosh for countless
> reasons, but more than any other, because it fits my style and that is
> as important a reason as any.

Get a Mac. The Macs are easier to learn. On a IBM, even with Windows, you have  
to fool around with memory configration and stuff. Macs are also the standard  
in similar fields and you'll be able to find a lot of good software and people  
to help you out. 
 I have seen the other post on here for this question, they suggest you get  
lots of memory. But that won't be possibly if you have only 3000 to spend. 4 mb  
ram simms are still pretty expensive ($125 for 1). I think her best choice  
would be the new Mac IIvx. For about 2700 dollars at cheap mail order places  
you can get that with 5mb of RAM and a 100 mb hard drive. This also includes a  
built-in 16 bit video and CD-ROM drive. Interestingly, this CD-ROM drive is  
completely compatible with Photo-CD, including the multi-session CDs. I can't  
remember if this includes a monitor but the new Apple 14 inch mointer can be  
found for about 4 to 500 dollars. Add 4 mb of Ram for 100 dollars or so to  
bring it up to 11 mb (you can also use virtual memory for even more memory),  
and you can have a pretty good color machine. The only thing is if she wants to  
do serious photo-manipulation she needs Adobe PhotoShop ($400). 
If you have any more questions, post them or e-mail me at  
yz3k@galen.med.virginia.edu.
--yz
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From: mjg@nwu.edu (Michael J Graven)
Subject: Re: about 300mmF2.8 and 200mmF2.0
Reply-To: mjg@nwu.edu (Michael J Graven)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:21:01 GMT

Phan Huy Lan (phan@boole) writes:

> If i'm using 200 ASA instead of 100 ASA with
> those 300mm f/4 or 200mm f/2.8, HEY, 
> I just got a 300mmF2.8 or 200mmF1.8 !!!!! for not mucho money :-)

Well ... no.  Your shots will certainly be less expensive.  What
you'll really miss is the full-aperture focusing at f/2.8 under
less-than-desirable lighting.  Often times, that one stop will 
give you the light you need at your retina to determine if you've
focussed on the subject's eyes -- or his bulbous nose.


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From: cd2t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christophe Dumay)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: few questions
Date: 9 Jan 93 19:34:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ofHvJRW00iV342xJ9h
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


1 - Will a very sharp lense give better pictures than an average lense
when used with a soft focus filter (I am not particularly interested in
portrait photography, just wondering).

2 - What gain (stops or exposure time) can be expected from the use
of a monopod (versus handholding the camera) ?

3 - Some teleconverters are "macro"= flat field. How do they perform 
compared to non-macro TC when used for normal distance shots ?  

4 _ The Nikon TC16A has a moving element used for autofocusing. Manual
use is a problem because this element has to be in a particular position
(as if focusing on infinity with an AF camera).
Does the same problem occur with all the AF teleconverters ?
(all the third-party 1.4TC seem to be AF versions).

Bye,

        Christophe Dumay.
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From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Re: LOVE MY NEW SB-25
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:34:25 GMT

In <1993Jan5.154414.21944@iplmail.orl.mmc.com> artc@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Art) writes:

>All you Nikon followers:


>	go out and get yourself the NEW SB-25..

>	just got back the first row of picture ->
>	and it is awsome!!!!


>	give it a try...
>	I got it for $281.00 


>	Love it!!


>	Art

Errr.  Can you be a bit more precise as to what you like about it?
How are the pictures different from those from an SB-24?

ACS


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From: gunawan@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (iwan gunawan)
Subject: Sigma 70-210mm/f 2.8 for EOS?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:52:00 GMT

Has anyone tried the Sigma 70-210mm f 2.8 for Canon EOS?
I'd like to hear people's comments.
Thank's folks.

-- iwan gunawan
   gunawan@envmsa.eas.asu.edu
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From: djb@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.j.bryant)
Subject: Re: ricoh xr-2 button
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:16:58 GMT

Regarding "ricoh xr-2 button", Herman Hillebrand <hermanh@bio.vu.nl> wrote:

  > I have recently bought a RICOH XR-2 body as an addition to my
  > Pentax system. There is a button on de camera I don't understand,
  > with the letters M.E. above it. The button is on the rear side.
  > Does anybody of you know what is does? Your help would be
  > appreciated.....

My guess is that it's the XR-2's "multiple exposure" button.  Try pressing
the button, cranking the film advance lever, and seeing if the film take-up
reel turns.  (I do know the XR-2 has multiple exposure capability...)

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From: monson@ece.orst.edu (Ty Monson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Hasselblad "C" vs "CF" lenses
Date: 7 Jan 93 07:47:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobo.ece.orst.edu


As you must have guessed from the subject heading, I'm trying to figure
what the C and CF designations mean. I've been looking in Shutter Bug,
and occasionally eyeballing stuff in stores. The C lenses seem to be
much less expensive (used prices, of course)
What does a person sacrifice to get the lower prices of the C lenses?
Or have I misinterpreted the ads?
From: rkatos@hpunila.MSR.HP.COM (Ray Katos)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:02:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Black and White Photography - Can I do it?
Organization: Hewlett Packard Sales, Naperville IL
Newsgroups: rec.photo

Traditional black and white photographic materials use a distinctly 
different process than the most popular form of color: negatives developed
by a process called "C-41". 

Don't despair, there is a film called "ILFORD XP-2".  It is a C-41 process
film but it produces black and white negatives. So there you'll have
your negatives.

Now for prints, just recently released by Kodak is a black and white
paper for prints that can be processed in a one-hour lab. By the way
that process is known as "RA-4".

So, if you get a roll of ILFORD XP-2 and find a one-hour lab that
will do RA-4 black and white, you will be all set! 
Newsgroups: rec.photo,misc.forsale
From: ychen@hubcap.clemson.edu (Eric Chen)
Subject: 4 Sale: Assorted 55mm filters (photo equip.)
Organization: Clemson University, Clemson SC
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:06:00 GMT


The following 55 mm filters for sale:
If you have 52mm to 55mm adapter ring (about $3), you can use these
filters on your 52mm diameter lenses.

Canon close-up lens 450 (I think it's 4.5X)
Canon R1 6X (6X red)
Canon softmat #1
Vivitar deep yellow #15
Vivitar soft focus
Hoya CS (cross)
Hoya PL (Polarizer)
Hoya 80A (blue)

Please feel free to make offer, I prefer to sell a whole set.

Eric
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