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From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Back out from the quit (y/n) ?
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:05:30 GMT

In article <1ghumeEINNsvg@uni-erlangen.de> horst@faui63.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Horst Luehrsen) writes:
>>I would like something like this too. Every once in a while I'll type "s" when
>>I meant "d" and the only way out without typing a valid name is the
>>"^\" (QUIT signal).
>
>No! Just type <backspace>, then <return>.

Yes, lots of places let you back out by making the address/subject/filename
or whatever blank.  This should be better documented (perhaps it should
show below the prompt for beginning users), and a consistant method of
backing out from the other prompts should be added, especially for the
quit command.

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
From: mark@cad.gatech.edu (Mark Reed)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: POP support for ELM?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 19:31:07 -0500
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: mark@sware.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu
Summary: Any plans?
Keywords: POP3, ELM

Any plans to include support for POP in ELM (maybe in 3.0)?  

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From: COOKDL@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*Darryl Cook         )
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: elm 2.4.13 wont compile on Sys V
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:44:58 GMT
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: conrad.appstate.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

I cant get elm 2.4.13 to compile on a 3B2-1000 running SysV r3.2.2.

i get the following undefined symbols

qstrpbrk                in file addr_util.o
catgets  
len_next_part
MCstrintf                       alias.o
catopen                         elm.o


Any suggestions appreciated.
darryl
From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Status for messages handled by filter
Date: 11 Dec 1992 22:17:53 -0500
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear) writes:

>We're using Elm 2.3 PL11 here.  I use filter to sort my mail into
>various subdirectories under my login directory.  It works ok except for
>one thing:

>None of the messages show an "N" status when I go to read them with elm.
>I initially thought that filter might be inserting a "Status: RO" line
>into them, but it doesn't.  All I can conclude is that elm assumes that
>anything not in my primary mailbox must be old, even if I've never read
>it, but only had it put elsewhere by filter.

>Is there some way to get the message status to show properly for mail
>handled by filter?

Elm consideres any mail not in the spool, never new.  If you want to
change that, delete the if clause from the source that checks to see
if its a spool before displaying the N status flag.
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: World-readable mailbox?
Keywords: security, elm 2.4 PL13, sgid, UNIX SysV.2
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:57:45 GMT

In article <Bz82MJ.HBH@nic.umass.edu> jeff@titan.ucc.umass.edu (DarkShadow) writes:
>At UMass, we had a public mailbox on a Cyber running NOS/VE (ancient
>system) which was privately owned and located in a single account.
>This machine is going down soon, so the public mailbox was moved to an
>Ultrix machine.  The way she sets it up is by putting world-readable
>permissions on the elm folder file and write only for herself:  chmod
>u+x and a+r on the mail folder.  Then, we can read it by using the -f
>flag for elm.  We set up an alias in our .cshrc file that looks
>something like this:
>     alias cl "elm -f ~account/Mail/.CL"

Close, but I want the public copy to be the real mailbox for a dummy
user so that the mail transport will deliver directly to it, and
I'd like the usual locking and notification of new messages to happen
also.  I could see other uses for the technique above, but in this
case I want an archive of everything sent to an alias to automatically
accumulate in the mailbox. 

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Alias file too big: any fix?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:22:07 -0500
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

geddis@CS.Stanford.EDU (Don Geddis) writes:
>I've got a personal database program, which stores names, addresses,
>phone numbers, etc. of various people that I know.  I set it up to
>automatically construct an "aliases.text" file from its database.

>The problem, as might be anticipated from computer-generated lists, is
>that the number of aliases the database program constructs is often too
>much for elm to handle.  Running "newalias", to parse & hash the
>"aliases.text" file, often gives an error message saying something about
>too many aliases.  I can fix this my manually lopping off the end of my
>alias file, but that seems such a waste.

>Is there any way I set up elm to allow many more aliases (say, 10 times)
>than it currently handles?

In 2.3, the number of aliases is chosen by the installer.  It is fixed
for hash table reasons for that installation.

2.4 threw out 2.3's hash table method and uses a different alias method.
There is no fixed limit.  However, one user runs it with 15000+ aliases
and reports that startup time is a bit slow (no doubt, we didn't design
it with quite that many in mind....)

So, an upgrade to 2.4 sounds in order.
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Starting newmail automatically...
Date: 15 Dec 1992 12:22:41 -0500
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

jeroen@let.ruu.nl (Jeroen Scheerder) writes:

>I have a tiny problem trying to start newmail the following way:

>	* my .login file calls a file .startup if possible;
>	* in .startup (which is different for all the machines I use)
>	  on some machines newmail is invoked.

>The problem is, newmail decides not to run in this scheme. When I call
>it from .login there is no problem.

>I suspect it has something to do with the parent process terminating:
>however, starting it as "nohup newmail" doesn't help, neither does
>using "source .startup" or "exec .startup".

>Is this a bug, am I doing something wrong or am I trying the
>impossible?

Well, there is some code, controlled by PIDCHECK in newmail.c, that
checks to see if the parent PID of newmail exited.  If it did,
newmail exits.  They code handles systems where there sighup
signal never gets to newmail, and it never exits.

Now, running newmail from .login works, because the shell
does a source .login.  If .login also does a source .startup,
and newmail is run directly from .startup (& on the end of
the newmail command allowed, it figures that out), then
it should work.  However, if the parent shell of newmail is
not the current shell, it will exit. Thus, no () on the
newmail line, and no nohup either (that also causes the
parent problem)
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Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL17
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.os.vms
From: johnson@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Glenn Johnson)
Subject: converting VMS MAIL folder to elm
Summary: help!
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:59:15 GMT


Is there a way to convert VMS MAIL folders to elm format?
(Preserving the dates and original sender etc.)

Also, how are VMS mail folders deleted?

Thanks in advance,

Glenn

*************************************************************************
Glenn Johnson
johnson@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Xref: sparky comp.mail.elm:3729 comp.sources.bugs:299
From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Wishlist item for "next" patch
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:38:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.204149.25084@umbc3.umbc.edu>
	klr@umbc4.umbc.edu (Kurt Reisler) writes:
>1) change the default_printout string to be "cat %s | mp | lpr -Psmurf"
>(on the BSD boxes) and "cat %s | mp | lp -dsmurf" (where smurf is a LPS-20
>Postscript networked printer)

You should set "default_printout" to simply something like "elm-print"
and furnish a script by that name that decides whether to do a SysV
or BSD print.

>2) prepend a "." to the name of all
>of the "temp_*" files (to hide them from the casual /tmp cruisers).

Well...for starters if you drop the "%s" from the print command, Elm
will stop creating temp files for printing and pipe the stuff right
into the print command.  That's one less temp file you need to
worry about.

Please note that you will need an Elm2.4 of fairly recent vintage to
do this.  The earlier versions of Elm2.4 and previous releases insisted
on the `cat %s' portion.

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Xref: sparky comp.mail.elm:3727 comp.sources.bugs:297
From: horke@buchonia.rhoen.in-berlin.de (Bernhard Kroenung)
Subject: User-defined-Header in elmrc ?
Organization: fulmin Ebersburg/Rhoen
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:00:21 GMT

Hy

is it possible to put a user-defined-header in elmrc ?

  Ciao
    Bernhard
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From: horst@faui63.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Horst Luehrsen)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Checkalias prints no line feed
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:11:06 GMT
Organization: IMMD 6 - Lehrstuhl fuer Datenbanksysteme
Distribution: world
Reply-To: horst@faui63.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Horst Luehrsen)
NNTP-Posting-Host: faui63.informatik.uni-erlangen.de


On RS/6000 with AIX 3.1.10, elm 2.4 PL17, compiled with cc -U__STR__,
and on a DECstation 3100 with Ultrix 4.2,
checkalias doesn't print a line feed after evaluating the alias:

faui6q:52>/home/faui63/ls/horst/elm/src: checkalias braun
Expands to: braun (Roswitha Braun)faui6q:53>/home/faui63/ls/horst/elm/src:

With ELM 2.4 PL 13, checkalias worked correct and printed a line feed:

faui6q:58>/home/faui63/ls/horst/elm/src: /local/elm-2.4PL13/elm -c braun
Expands to: braun (Roswitha Braun)
faui6q:59>/home/faui63/ls/horst/elm/src:

        Horst
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 Tel: +49-9131-857884  Fax:+49-9131-32090
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Xref: sparky comp.mail.elm:3695 comp.os.vms:19181
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: how to set up a signature
Originator: guckes@medusa
Keywords: signature elm help
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:59:29 GMT

rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Martin) writes:

>I've tried everything but I cna't seem to get a sig file working.
>Could someone please tell me in plain english how this would be accomplished.

To have a signature automatically appended to your mail you must edit
ELM's init file ($HOME/.elm/elmrc):
The init file contains a list of variables and their settings.
For signatures there are two variables:
"localsignature" and "remotesignature"
The values of each variable name a file.  Edit to your taste!

Here are my settings:

# local ".signature" file to append to appropriate messages...
localsignature = $HOME/.elm/.localsignature
# remote ".signature" file to append to appropriate messages...
remotesignature = $HOME/.elm/.signature

Please keep your signature as tight as possible.
It should contain your name and your email address.
After all that's what a signature is for, right ?
Please keep it down to four lines and 70 columns at maximum.
But please do not overdo it! Save bandwidth!

Sven@usenet.police.com | A sig is a sig is a sig is a sig. -Getrude "Sig" Stein
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: jeroen@let.ruu.nl (Jeroen Scheerder)
Subject: Starting newmail automatically...
Reply-To: Jeroen.Scheerder@let.ruu.nl
Organization: Faculty of Arts, Utrecht University, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:37:57 GMT

I have a tiny problem trying to start newmail the following way:

	* my .login file calls a file .startup if possible;
	* in .startup (which is different for all the machines I use)
	  on some machines newmail is invoked.

The problem is, newmail decides not to run in this scheme. When I call
it from .login there is no problem.

I suspect it has something to do with the parent process terminating:
however, starting it as "nohup newmail" doesn't help, neither does
using "source .startup" or "exec .startup".

Is this a bug, am I doing something wrong or am I trying the
impossible?
From: S_ZIEGLER@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Juergen Ziegler)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: elm 2.4 <-> linux
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:46:18 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe (FRG) - Informatik Rechnerabt.
NNTP-Posting-Host: irav1.ira.uka.de
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

Hi folks

I am an absolute Unix/Linux beginner. One of my main motivations to use
linux are the *included* mail facilities. But I know virtually nothing
about it right now. 

So could someohen send me a *working* config.sh for elm2.4?

Sending mails from one local user to an other local user works. But how
can I tell mail/elm to send any outbound mail to my mail/news feed?

What are the most important steps to do when setting up mail/elm for
outbound mail?

What are any pitfalls?

Thanks

Juergen 


S_Ziegler@iravcl.ira.uka.de
From: mjo@iao.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Compressed folders to Elm?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 21:03:26 GMT
Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Company
Reply-To: "Mike O'Connor" <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ope001.iao.ford.com

In article <1992Dec4.170522.12244@elegant.com> rstory@elegant.com
(Robert Story) writes:

:You can have a new folder set automatically each month by placing this line in
:your elmrc :
:    sentmail = $HOME/Mail/$ArcMon
:and this line in your .profile (or .whatever)
:    ArcMon=`date +%y%m`;export ArcMon

This is provided, of course, that you're not one of those users who
keeps Elm up for days and weeks at a time, where $ArcMon can easily
become out of date.

						...Mike

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Save-without-headers option
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:05:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.100007.12367@comp.lancs.ac.uk>
	alan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Alan Phillips) writes:
>Suggestion : how about an option to extract a message to a file
>_without_ the RFC822 headers?

Please see the manual page for the `readmsg' utility.  All headers
are omitted with the `-n' option, although I think you'll find the
default behavior preferable.

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.lang.tcl
From: hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Heiko W.Rupp)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm 2.4.13 on NeXT 3.0/Date: problem
Date: 14 Dec 92 09:54:05 GMT
Organization: The Home of the Pilhuhn

gulik@rtsg.mot.com (Gregory Gulik) writes:

>The problem is that Elm was putting in outrageous timezone offsets
>in the Date: line.  For example:
>Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:48:15 -36803936 (CST)

>My fix for this was to modify the following in lib/getarpdate.c :

[code deleted}

>Does anyone have a better solution?

Just undef tz_name in config.sh

>Can we have it included in the standard distribution?

It seem Syd is working on it.
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From: pete@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pete Schmitt)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: ELM 2.4.17 getarpdate.c problem on Ultrix 4.2
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:13:10 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

cc  -O -I../hdrs    -c getarpdate.c
ccom: Error: getarpdate.c, line 110: redeclaration of timezone
        extern  time_t  timezone;
      --------------------------^
(ccom): getarpdate.c, line 110: cannot recover from earlier errors: goodbye!
        extern  time_t  timezone;
      --------------------------^
*** Error code 1

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dattier@orac.holonet.net (DWT)
Subject: Re: edit buffer lost at disconnection
Organization: Information Access Technologies, Inc. of Berkeley, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:19:46 GMT

In article <Bz695z.DBD@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim
Pierce) writes:

>Wouldn't this solution cause the temporary snd file to linger *only*
>upon hangup?  That seems to me like the optimal default behavior, with
>a possible user-settable option to override it.

As I understood Syd Weinstein's suggestion, it was to comment out the code
that removes the temporary file, which would prevent deleting it under any
circumstances.  If what he recommended would prevent the call to that routine
upon carrier loss, then my second objection (namely, that all users would
need to rm $tmpdir/snd.* manually) was in error and I must withdraw it.

My first objection -- that it is an administrator-level remedy and I have to
get someone else to find the code, comment it out, and recompile -- still
stands.  Any effort that ddsw1's owner can put into my problem should be
channeled toward curing the hangups in the first place.

One thing I might do is to change that editor-substitute script so that the
extra link to $tmpdir/snd.$$ in $safedir is rm'ed except on hangup.  I need
to study more about signal traps before I attempt that.

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: leffler@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Bob Leffler)
Subject: Re: Date stamp problem, probably faq
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:45:42 GMT

syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein) writes:

>leffler@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Bob Leffler) writes:
>>I have Esix 4.0.3a and have Elm 2.4.17.

>>On the Date: line I'm getting a bizzare output.  The line ends with
>>+57823603 GMT.



>Its easier than that, it means that d_tzname got set backwards.
>However, Esix 4.0.3a is a SVR4 OS, Configure should have gotten
>that one right.  Are you compiling Elm using /usr/ucb/cc?  It
>really wants the normal CC stuff.

Both d_tzname and d_tz_min got define.  I just quickly undef d_tzname
and elm doesn't compile.  It complains about timezone being
redeclared in getarpdate.c.  I'll look into after work tonight.

I am using /usr/ccs/bin/cc, not /usr/ucb/cc.

bob
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: randy@sdiego.uucp (Randy Yount)
Subject: Where are 2.4 patches
Organization: Harris Computer Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:22:45 GMT

Where can I find patches for elm2.4. I need 4-8, 12 and 13...

Randy Yount
Harris Computer Systems

....uunet!sdsu!sdiego!randy
ryount@harris.csd.com

Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: Is there an Addressbook in Elm?
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:37:54 GMT

tkevans@fallst (Tim Evans) writes:

> Below's an entry I use to send mail to myself--I just address it to "me".
> See the elm doc's for more information on how to set up and use aliases.
>
>me = Tim Evans = tkevans

Actually I've done the same to send test messages to myself once in a while.

me	= Guckes; Sven = guckes

Note: This is in ELM 2.4 PL13 format.
I assume that Tim may be using an older format (I'm not sure though).

Boy, that man is his own Organization:
> Organization: Tim Evans

Sven :)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: brett@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Brett Morrow)
Subject: Name display
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:27:19 GMT
Organization: Gallifrey - Home of the Timelords


Can anyone tell me how to make elm show me the TRUE address of the
person instead of the personal or full name of the persone in the
index screen and when reading the message?


  Brett
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