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From: taso@munnari.OZ.AU (Taso Hatzi)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Compulsory Voting
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:01:34 GMT
Organization: 
Distribution: aus
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dave@philips.oz.au (David Torr) writes:
:
: drive around as many polling booths as I can and vote at each one. Now
: presumably at some time they will find out that I did this and fine me - but they CANNOT find out how I voted - so if I vote for Mr X 20 times and he gets in 
: 
Attendants ask if you have voted elsewhere but they don't ask for 
identification.  It's possible to vote several times using names other
than your own. (Vote early.) The poll may well be declared invalid if there
are 'too many' multiple votes but how can the offender be prevented from 
repeating the crime next time?

: allow people to vote anywhere, I guess. Perhaps we should use computers?????
: -- 
There was some dissatisfaction expressed a while ago about 
auug elections and possibility of computerised voting was raised then. 
Most of the criticism of computerised voting focussed on the technical
problems rather than the principle. If the technical problems could
be solved (I have no doubt that they can) we could look to moving away 
from representative democracy towards rule by referendum. Representative
democracy is, after all, just a concession to practicality. How often
does your member or his party represent your views?

taso

Newsgroups: aus.general
From: ghm@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller)
Subject: Re: Compulsory Voting
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:58:09 GMT

dave@philips.oz.au (David Torr) writes:

>Something that has puzzled me as a humble Pon who came out here 10 years ago. In England voting is compulsory and you can only vote at a designated booth.

As a non-humble Pom who came out here 16.5 years ago  -  eh?  When did
voting in England become compulsory?

>Now as I understand the system here I could get up early on polling day and
>drive around as many polling booths as I can and vote at each one. Now
>presumably at some time they will find out that I did this and fine me - but they CANNOT find out how I voted - so if I vote for Mr X 20 times and he gets in 
>with a majrity of 15 I might think it worth it - would they then have a repoll?.

When you vote here your name is crossed off a copy of the electoral roll
at the polling station.  These copies are (presumably) checked by computer
after the election to identify non- and multiple voters  -  the way the
lines are drawn would appear to be set up for some form of scanning
system.  Could someone with knowledge of the Electoral Commission's
systems comment?

I believe (although I write without authority) that if the number of
multiple votes were sufficient to make the result of the election in
doubt, then yes, there would have to be another ballot for that seat.

Geoff Miller (g-miller@adfa.oz.au)  |   Don't steal.  The government
Computer Centre                     |   hates competition.
Australian Defence Force Academy    |   (via Jeff Cooper)
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis)
Subject: judo in olympics
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:28:37 GMT

Was it on last night? I taped the lot but couldn't find it. Did anyone
see it? Yesterdays Herald-sun said it'd be on.

Shckwish!

Newsgroups: aus.general,soc.culture.australian
From: brennan@tango.cchs.su.oz.au (Luke Brennan)
Subject: Re: Insider info ref. Graduate Education in Australia
Organization: Cumberland College of Health Sciences
Distribution: aus,usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:35:53 GMT

In article <jwb.712285249@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au>, jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
> driver@vicorp.com (the driver guy) writes:
> 
>>* Can I assume that a degree from a UC, IT or CAE carries just
>>  as much weight as a degree from a University?
> 
> To be frank, no, but the difference is a lot less than it is between various 
> universities in the US. The main quality difference is in the undergraduate 
> degrees; an EE degree from Monash is very theoretical, whereas one from RMIT
> is more practical. This is not to say one is "better"; some employers prefer
> one approach, others the other.

	To be totally frank: Basically, a CAE was better...

	just my $0.05 worth.. :-)
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From: ianp@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: TELNET TO PEGASUS
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:53:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:peg:993300057:000:322
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!ianp    Jul 22 08:53:00 1992


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/* ---------- "TELNET TO PEGASUS" ---------- */

Please note that telnet access to Pegasus Networks is
now available, at our new address: 192.131.13.1
An account on our system is needed to gain access. 
Contact support@peg.pegasus.oz.au for further details.
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: jamys@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (David Godley)
Subject: E-mail address of Jon Mee (ANU)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:38:17 GMT


	I have been searching (unsucessfully) for the
E-mail address of Dr. Jon Mee of the English Department at
ANU.

Is there anyone out there who knows what it is?
Either E-mail me directly or post it here.

Many thanks,
		David Godley

				

				 
-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
David Godley: c/- Dept. Geography, Monash University, Clayton 3168 AUSTRALIA
jamys@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au                  "...vitrum nostrum gloriosum..."

Newsgroups: aus.general
From: gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (J. Gao)
Subject: Leaking Tunnel
Summary: leaking tunnel
Keywords: leaking tunnel
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:17:53 GMT

ABC TV reported the soon-opening tunnel is dripping salt water, which means
the concret will be coroded. Any comment?

J. Gao
From: bob@pta.pyramid.com.au (Robert Vernon)
Subject: Re: Leaking Tunnel
Keywords: leaking tunnel
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:05:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.121700.9135@pta.pyramid.com.au> bgg@pta.pyramid.com.au (Ben Golding) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.235556.991@trofis.tfrc.csiro.au> guy@trofis.tfrc.csiro.au (Guy Carpenter) writes:
>>Didn't I hear the tunnel project touted as Aust's biggest *privately*
>>funded engineering project?
>
>I thought it was funded by the State and Federal government and a
>private company was chosen do construction by tender instead of letting
>the RTA or another goverment body do it.

I think I paid for it and neither of you two have.  That is, its
privately built, government guaranteed but funded by the $1.50 toll on
the bridge.  (Soon to be $2 on both bridge and tunnel).

So if there's going to be a refund, I intend to line up for my share
with all the other regular bridge crossers.  You know, all the people
who live on the wrong side of the harbour (from where they work),
driving those gas guzzling, polluting, single occupant vehicles, who
are the reason why the tunnel is being built in the first place.

Us daily $1.50 contributors to the free enterprise system deserve first
shot at any tunnel refunds.  Unlike you dirty pinko bike riders who
probably sneak across the bridge in the bike lane WITHOUT paying.
(Big :-) here).  Some of you possibly catch buses which never stop at
the toll booths, or trains which don't even get the traffic jams.  All
you freeloaders, get to the back of the queue.

>I'm sure Brendan "Tunnel Lover" Jones will be able to answer both
>questions definitively.

I've found Brendan "Harbour Crossing" Jones's regular descriptions of
the tunnel construction very useful.  Every week or so the RTA has been
giving us a new maze of lane changes and crash barriers to negotiate.
So its nice to know exactly what they are doing and how long they
intend to keep it up for.  Thanks to Brendan, I know that the tunnel
will open for real traffic at 6am on the 31st August and its on
schedule.  Now all I have to do is work out how to time my approach
onto the Cahill Expressway so that I'm the first real customer into the
tunnel when they open the gates.


Bob V!

Newsgroups: aus.general,soc.culture.australian
From: driver@vicorp.com (the driver guy)
Subject: Insider info ref. Graduate Education in Australia
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Distribution: aus,usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:19:54 GMT

Cross-posted to: aus.general and soc.culture.australian (Aussie spellings)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello, Aussie friends:

I have a few questions about Higher Education institutions in Australia.
(If it seems I get off the track from time to time, please humour me!
You may find some background info helpful when making your suggestions.)

I earned a B.S. in E.E. from a university in the U.S. and have accumulated
quite a bit of work experience in the U.S. computer industry. I am thinking
about getting a graduate degree (an M.B.A.) from Australia. I am interested
in International Business and the Economics of Trade and Development.

The first thing I need to straighten out is the terminology.
Quoting from the publication 'Study in Australia':
"Higher Education institutions have various names such as University,
University College, Institute of Technology or College of Advanced Education."

* Can I assume that a degree from a UC, IT or CAE carries just
  as much weight as a degree from a University?

* Is there an accrediting agency for MBA programmes (in the U.S., business
  schools are accredited by a nation-wide body called AASCB). Should I even
  be looking for a parallel?

The next couple of questions I ask with some apprehension because I don't want
to start up a 'religious' net.war :=)

* Is there higher prestige attached to certain Aussie MBA programmes. Which?
  (If this concept has no place in Aussie culture, I apologise. I have only
  experienced the U.S. educational system. I, therefore, constantly try to
  find a parallel. Here in the U.S., degrees from certain schools are
  very highly regarded ... like Stanford, Harvard, Univ. Chicago ...)

* If there are various tiers of MBA programmes, I would shoot for the
  'next-to-the-top' tier. (My undergraduate GPA left something to be desired.
  Eight years in the high-tech industry may be helpful ... but getting hold
  of profs. for academic references after so many years may not be possible).
  Can net.people suggest a few schools that routinely accept rather average
  students, but would also be worth the trip across the oceans.
  (I am assuming that there is a 'bottom-of-the barrel', and I'd like to
  avoid it if I can).

Thanks for reading! If possible, please use e-mail to reply rather than
'posting News'. (Just trying to save some bandwidth, and save myself from
potential public flames ... there's always an angry person somewhere).

- Jay -

email address:
ARPA:  driver@vicorp.com
UUCP:  uunet!vicorp!driver
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: kerry@citr.uq.oz.au (Kerry Raymond)
Subject: Re: Compulsory Voting
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:14:36 GMT

>I believe (although I write without authority) that if the number of
>multiple votes were sufficient to make the result of the election in
>doubt, then yes, there would have to be another ballot for that seat.

Yes, the Electoral Commission can rule a ballot invalid if a candidate
can provide evidence of irregularities of a scale possible to alter the
outcome. Consequently, marginal seats are more likely to be challenged
on the basis of dead voters, multiple voters etc than safe seats.

Newsgroups: aus.general
From: cryanrm@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: Seaworld
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:38:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.222552.15264@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, ins818e@mdw010.cc.monash.edu.au (Pratap Patnaikuni) writes:
> 
> 
> Does anyone have the address (or perhaps location) of Seaworld, or even
> Atlantis in Perth (if it's still there)
> 
Atlantis closed down a couple of years ago.
All inmates appear to have been successfully released.

> Thanks.
> 
> -Pratap

No problem.

Bob Ryan.

Newsgroups: aus.map
From: cjsv@adfa.oz.au (Christopher JS Vance)
Subject: Australian subset of comp.mail.maps
Followup-To: aus.followup
Originator: cjsv@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au
Reply-To: cjsv@adfa.oz.au
Organization: Computer Science, University College, UNSW/ADFA, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:06:31 GMT

Is there any desire for me to post the Australian subset of the UUCP
Mapping Project maps in aus.map.  They already appear in comp.mail.maps.
I guess the only reason would be if there were sites wanting to
receive the Australian information without all of the other maps in
comp.mail.maps.  For example, someone with a full feed of aus.*, but
not all of comp.*.  Is there anyone out there in this situation?  If
so, please mail me at the address above.

Why would anybody want these maps, anyway?  As well as a very minimal
collection of routing information used by UUCP sites (mostly outside
Australia) the maps also contain information about many domains and
hosts in Australia.  Generally, my intention is to reduce the number
of host entries, especially where there is nothing remarkable about
the hosts concerned, and replace these by more informative domain
entries.  Who cares about the names of individual workstations in a
lab, or in a department, if all the information (other than the
hostname) is identical for all the other hosts too?

Sources I've used for the information published include older versions
of the maps, the Domain Name service used by Internet software,
MHSNet/ACSNet routing tables, AARNet resource information, word of
mouth, etc.

The old maps which appeared in aus.map were slightly different from
the ones in comp.mail.maps and were designed for use by people at
ACSNet sites.  I don't propose to do this munging anymore, since (I
believe) the majority of traffic within Australia no longer uses
SunIII software for its transport.  Both AARNet and MHSNet grok names
ending with .au, so the distinction is now mostly moot.

If there is no interest in my posting this information here, I would
suggest the newsgroup be removed.  I mean, when was the article before
this one posted?

Oh, yes.  If your domain or host is missing and you feel it ought to
be present, please submit an entry.  (I can send you a copy of the
README from comp.mail.maps if you don't have access to that group.)

-- Christopher
Newsgroups: aus.acs
From: tomw@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Tom Worthington)
Subject: PC FUTURES
Summary: A ONE DAY CONFERENCE
Keywords: seminar
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:43:12 GMT

A ONE DAY CONFERENCE
The Australian Computer Society announces PC FUTURES

MELBOURNE --12 AUGUST 1992
SYDNEY--13 AUGUST 1992

MORNING SESSION:

On her inaugural lecture tour of Australia, Mary Boone explains how top
executives are using computers to communicate, to coach and to change
corporate culture.

This half-day seminar will include:

* How to conduct needs assessment interviews with top executives;

* Real-life cases of 16 top executives who are applying computers in
strategic, critical ways;

* Techniques for quantifying the benefits that others call "intangible";

* Examples of effective executive computing with over 15 different tools
such as EIS, expert systems, and groupware.

Fee - Morning Session: $145 ACS Members $245 Non Members


AFTERNOON SESSION:

* "OS vs OS/2 vs WINDOWS", PETER COURT, Ferntree Computer Services

* "Future Interfaces plus a look into PINK", JOY MOUNTFORD, Apple Computer

* "PC FUTURES - A Software, Developer's Perspective"
IAN DAVIES, Odyssey Development

* "Distributed Computing and LAN Connectivity", RAFIK RAZZOUK, SCITEC

Fee - Afternoon Session: $95 ACS Members $195 Non Members


REGISTRATION FEES--FULL DAY: $220 ACS Members $320 Non Members

For Sydney, contact ACS National Tel: (02) 2115855 Fax: (02) 2811208.
For Melbourne, ACS VIC Branch Tel: (03) 690 8000  Fax: (03) 690 0201

Inserted by Tom Worthington, Chairman ACS Canberra, by 
request.
Newsgroups: aus.acs
From: ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan)
Subject: Re: Australian Universities failed
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:55:16 GMT

eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (mr  h    hui) writes:

>ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan) writes:
>[deleted]
>>Oops! You are going way too far. Why don't you say that Standard One
>>(primary school) materials should have been covered in kindergarden, and
>>Form One materials in Standard Six ? 
>At least one place on earth is doing this, I think, S********. Agree! In
>fact, this falls back to the question that what "education" is at
>different stages of development.

	sorry, I don't get the place's name.

>>	Yes, we need to have sufficient base of knowledge first. That's
>>what the secondary education is meant for (ie, pre-U education). In Uni,
>>we could then branch to the desired field and concentrate on it. 
>Not quite agree. While one can concentrate on one narrow field (say
>electonics), I don't think it is appropiate for one to stop learning
>the "basics" of some potentially related fields.

>>>Also, since computers are becoming (or have become) such an integral part of  
>>>our society nowadays, computer science (at least at the introductory level) 
>>>or programming could be introduced in high school even. This will save many
>>>first year students the grief of having to pick up those languages and the
>>>basic knowledge needed to help master the finer points of computer science.
>>	Good point. I think they are already having such things in some high
>>schools.
>Frankly, I studied computer when I was in my high school. The reason 
>is simply that you don't need to be a computer expert to know the basics.
>It is becoming a part of a life. 

>>	Common guys, I'm not sayin' that we shouldn't study this, shouldn't
>>study that... All I want to say is, instead of studying a bit of everything
>>one should concentrate on one field and its related areas; despite the core
>>subjects, one should have electives on ones interest.
>From the outset, I didn't say the students shouldn't have the right to
>choose. However, wouldn't it be better if the students know something
>outside their fields? At this juncture, I'd like to point out that schools
>like Imperial College(UK), Standford(US) require their students to do
>(a) HUMANITY subject(s) at certain stage of their studies. I think, this
>help the students look at their engineering problem in some other
>perspectives.

>Humphrey Hui  (eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au)
>              (HHUI@basil.eng.monash.edu.au)

	OK ! I think we do share some similar opinion here :

1. Students should be given the right to choose their subjects (the electives)

2. One should not overlook some of the potentially related fields. I think
   this would require some assitance from lecturers, tutors, etc.

(Oops! Lack of time, will continue later... )

Newsgroups: aus.students.overseas
From: ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan)
Subject: Re: Australian Universities failed
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:22:53 GMT

kaic@mamura.ee.mu.oz.au (David Chan) writes:

>eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (mr  h    hui) writes:

>>Luckily (or unluckily), you've finished up your Elect degree. If you
>>argue this way, why hadn't we started studying Computer Science or
>>engineering in the early secondary? Then, we would have  "saved" much
>>more time. I think the border line is that we've got to have a
>>sufficient base of knowledge before we can proceed to the details.

Oops! You are going way too far. Why don't you say that Standard One
(primary school) materials should have been covered in kindergarden, and
Form One materials in Standard Six ? 
	Yes, we need to have sufficient base of knowledge first. That's
what the secondary education is meant for (ie, pre-U education). In Uni,
we could then branch to the desired field and concentrate on it. 

		... stuff deleted ...

>Also, since computers are becoming (or have become) such an integral part of  
>our society nowadays, computer science (at least at the introductory level) 
>or programming could be introduced in high school even. This will save many
>first year students the grief of having to pick up those languages and the
>basic knowledge needed to help master the finer points of computer science.

	Good point. I think they are already having such things in some high
schools.
 
>I think courses at 
>the tertiary level may be shortened provided, as you say, the students have
>a sufficient base of knowledge. This can't happen until the secondary 
>school education here can be improved so as to provide the required basic
>knowledge.  

>>For example, biology and elect. eng. are quite different subjects. But,
>>as I learnt more, there are many interdiscipline problem between these 2
>>fields. Examples of researcher working in this interdiscipline area are
>>numerous.
> 
>        I couldn't agree more - an example would be BIOMEDICAL engineering,
>a stream in Elect. Eng that applies control engineering techniques in the  
>field of medicine. 

	 Oh yeah ! I know biomedical eng. requires knowlwdge on both 
elect.eng. & biology. Could I just make a point that, undergrads (ie eng.
students) should be given the right to choose subjects that suit their 
needs, but not neglecting the compulsary ones. Why would a telecommunication
engineer-to-be needs to study cell behaviour or the operation of power
systems ?
 
	Common guys, I'm not sayin' that we shouldn't study this, shouldn't
study that... All I want to say is, instead of studying a bit of everything
one should concentrate on one field and its related areas; despite the core
subjects, one should have electives on ones interest.
From: t9214309@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.students.overseas
Subject: looking for indira
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:27:14 GMT
Organization: Phillip Institute of Tech, Melbourne

Dear Netters:
Am looking for Indira at the Univ of Canberra. Can she contact Sunil at
t9214538@phillip.edu.au 
Sorry for taking the BW
Newsgroups: aus.students.overseas