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From: dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: General Ideas
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:47:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

The writing in the X-Books haven't been that great lately (with the exception
of Excalibur).  There are too many characters who are not acting like they
used to and doing very *stupid* things.

I would not like to see Storm in a romance with Bishop.  Instead, she should
find Forge.  When he left her, she didn't seem too anxious to go after him.

I can't believe that Rogue would let Mystique leave in her condition.  She had
to have known that she was there in the mansion at the time.  Since Rogue
loves Mystique so much, I can imagine her leaving the team for a little while
to care for her.  But since Mystique is gone, it would be a good excuse for
Storm and Rogue to hit the road (or since they both can fly "soar the skies")
in search of them.  This will give Storm the "growth experince away from the
X-Men" that Forge thinks she needs (even though everytime she leaves, something
happens to bring her back).  This would also give Rogue some more character
development...we can learn more about her childhood while she searches for her
adopted mother.  We can also see some of Rogues "connections with the
underwold" that she is supposed to have.

Moving on to other X-Men:

What ever happened to Iceman's power increase...I know he was wearing a belt
to control it but since Portacio didn't like to draw it, it was soon forgotten.

I would like to see Psylocke with her pre-ninja look and without the purple
dye in her hair.  I thought she looked really nice in the panel of the X-Man
book where the Hand are reprogramming her memories.  This Panel has her coming
out of a car with Doug on the hood...she calls him "Child"  (sorry I don't have
the book with me so forgive my vagueness).

It would be great if Kitty and Peter were to start their relationship again...
they are both older and wiser, so it might work out better this time (only 
problem now would be the distance...but nothing a Blackbird couldn't fix)

X-Force without Cable and without Liefield is pretty good...16 was the only
Issue I didn't feel too bad about buying...it almost seemed like the New 
Mutants were back...just get rid of Ferrel (sp) and bring back Dani.
Shatterstar doesn't bother me (just needs more character development).
I wouldn't mind seeing Amara back, but won't feel bad if she doesn't.

It would be cool to find her married.  That would bind her to Nova Roma in case
no one wants to use her.

I always wanted to see some relationship between Siryn and Wolfsbane...after
all, her adopted mother is "kinda dating" Siryn's father...which would make
them sisters in some way.

That's enough blabbering for now...

peace

Patrick
From: v083lmh8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Fred @ UB)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Who is AHAB?
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:56:00 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <poole.717259694@eugene>, poole@convex.com (Ricky Poole) writes...
> 
>Having read several of the Cable must be ... notes the AHAB character
>has come up several times. 
> 
>When and where did this character appear and could someone give me
>the 5 cent synopsis of the guy?

>Ahab appeared in the 'Days of Future Present' Annual Series (which inc. 
Franklin Richards (Reed's son).  Franklin came back in time (to our present)
to help Rachel and Ahab came back to capture her.  Apparently, he was
the hellhound keeper (remember; although Rachel was a mutant, she was brain
washed into becoming a hellhound, so Ahab wanted her back).  This was pretty
much the story.  Also, you found out that Franklin was to become the MOST 
powerful mutant on the planet and become a big help against the Sentinels.

							The Man(A Loyal Fan)

>Thanks,
> 
>Rick
> 
>--
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>(214) 497-4728	   |       Richardson, Texas 75080	   |     necessary?
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Keep the Faith readers of the 'Children of the Atom'!
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From: tmunson@cwis.unomaha.edu (todd s. munson)
Subject: Sinister
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:08:20 GMT

Sorry, about the last post, my terminal is messing up.

Anyway, what did Mr. Sinister recieve in the little container?  Could he have
recieved the remains of Doug Ramsey and Warlock?  I wouldn't put it past him
since a) he hates Prof. X and b) Warlock and Doug are the only ones that have
the means (supposedly) to cure the techno-virus.  Finally, Mr. Sinister can
clone live tissue (he did so with Madelyn Pryor), can he also clone dead 
tissue (hence the 'creation' of Douglock)?
--
"What I don't know, I make up!"  Todd S. Munson  :-)

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From: CCGG <P0G3@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: Who's the best leader?
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:49:39 GMT

In article <8encsQG00aw_896ERg@andrew.cmu.edu> Dizzy Murphy <dm7z+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Ok guys,
>  since we're all into the x-men (whichever book that might be) let's do
>a little survey.
>
>1)Who is the best leader of the x-men? (Cyclops, Storm, Cable, Havok, or
>Captain Britain)
>2) Which is the best team? (Blue team, Gold team, X-Force, X-Factor, X-Calibur)
>.
The best leader would of course have to be Cyclops.
The best team is ........ the one with Cyclops on it (the Blue??)
From: dardiswa@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Wayne A. Dardis 1500099)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: about cable
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:01:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but i've noticed a few posts
either hoping for cable's death or fearing it.  Not to worry since he is
to get his own ongoing series in '93.  This is according to the Art
Thibert interview in wizard.  Supposedly he will be doing the art and
Fabian will script.  Again, i'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this
if they have sorry to have wasted your time :)

Shawn
dardiswa@cda.mrs.umn.edu
.
From: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: New X-Men Cartoons
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:04:50 GMT
Reply-To: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, mrj@b15.ingr.com (Mike Jones) says:

>Saw a commercial last night (4th) for the new X-Men cartoons on Fox.
>They are starting on October 24th at 10 or 11 am.
>
>
I don't know how accurate this might be, but my Tv guide from the
newspaper had X-Men on Oct. 10th at 11am.
-- 
Howard Shiau                       bc751@cleveland.freenet.edu
Cosyde Corporation
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Maverick
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:33:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.21002
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>I've read the two-part Maverick series where he kills 
>that doctor for Barrington, but I haven't had the chance to read any of 
>the comics past number 9, because my mom is sooooo cheap. Anybody have 
>any idea?

Well, um, you could get a job to pay for your own comics. :-)

-- 
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"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
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From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SilverFang Ahroun)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: 'domino'
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:13:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvG7nA.8AI
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

rglass@pcs.cnu.edu (Randall Glass) writes:

> i just got into x-force pretty recently.  Now, was the
>real Domino's 1st app in New Mutants? or X-force?!?
> i noticed that in x-force#15, Domino didn't know who
>x-force was, so i guess that she MIGHT not realise that
>they are the former new-mutants, OR she might not know
>who the new mutants are in the first place.

The real Domino appeared for the first time in X-Force #14 ( I think
she was chained to a wall). She most likely doesn't know X-Force
or know them as the New Mutants either.  Of course, in true comic
book form, with absolutely no clues she will rapidly track them down
and save the day in one form or the other. *smile* It'd be a really
neat thing to see her help X-Force to escape, and maybe put a round
through Wolverine's empty head for Shatterstar (RIP).


Axly
From: dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The Jamie/Siryn thing
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:07:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



If the "real" Jamie wasn't the one in Fallen Angels (the only thing that Peter
David has done in X-Factor that I don't like), then there were *two* mutations
on Jamie's mutations.  In the Fallen Angels mini series there was a "dupe"
that had independant thought and this was said to be a mutant dupe. And 
when this "mutant dupe" multiplied, he created more dupes with independent
thought.

I wonder if we will run into another Jamie who has been on his father's farm
all this time and never met the Fantastic Four or the X-Men...or one that
has meet the FF and X-Men but never went to Muir Island.  (you see where this
is going...)


that's all folx!

patrick
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Insults on X-Men
Keywords: Insults, X-Men
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:46:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20824
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <BvDLs5.3Dq@acsu.buffalo.edu> v083lmh8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Fred @ UB) writes:
>
>	I've been hearing many insults on the mutant books.  These insults 
>happen to make me feel nauseated.  I've been reading the mutant titles since the
>age of nine.  People who request the mutant titles to be cancelled or just say
>'They Suck', are hypocrites.  You know you'll never give these titles up so just
>quit and keep on reading.  Sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride (sometimes its
>rough and sometimes its the best).

I read the X-Men titles because I don't watch TV, and therefore have been
informed that my daily intake of sap and crap is dangerously below national
averages. I also read them because I have been for years upon years (I was
collecting when John Byrne could be found on their pages), and they remain a
nice diversion after all these years, second only to Spider-Man (whom I've
been following since the... egad, since the early 70's!). I invested a lot
of emotional time and energy in the X-Men title(s), especially in my teenage
years, and it certainly is not hypocritical of me to complain about a series
that used to be far, far better, and that still could be if someone would
bother working with it.

Actually, lately I have been sighing more cries of relief than of pain when
reading the latest X-issue. While I know this goes against current
net.policy, I have (to my mounting horror and revulsion) actually found
Scott Lobdell's scripting on UX to be passable and competent; certainly a
step up from his Shit Incarnate on Excalibur (this includes this month's
storyline -- plastique does *not* explode on kinetic contact). They got rid
of one decent artist (Portacio) and one would-be artist (Lee) to replace
them with, hopefully, JRJR and Kubert, who can tell stories as well as craft
nifty panels. In fact, except from the ham-handed influence of Harras behind
the scenes, I'd actually be content with the current X-Scribe corral.


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"You're acting very irregular."
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of dollars to send everywhere.  Please be sure you know what you are doing."

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From: foregone@stein.u.washington.edu (Ah so Grasshopper!)
Subject: Re: Sinister
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 06:03:16 GMT

In article <tmunson.718297700@cwis> tmunson@cwis.unomaha.edu (todd s. munson) writes:
>Anyway, what did Mr. Sinister recieve in the little container?  Could he have
>recieved the remains of Doug Ramsey and Warlock?  I wouldn't put it past him
>since a) he hates Prof. X and b) Warlock and Doug are the only ones that have
>the means (supposedly) to cure the techno-virus.  Finally, Mr. Sinister can
>clone live tissue (he did so with Madelyn Pryor), can he also clone dead 
>tissue (hence the 'creation' of Douglock)?

B O I N G !

Geez, now this is an interesting idea...thanks for letting me see the
connection! Only one problem with this theory...I thought that in X-Song #3,
the Beast and Moira said that although the technovirus is like the Magus',
it is always changing...so how would Warlock/Douglock be able to cure Prof. X?
From: masulliv@ecs.umass.edu (Michael Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The Acolytes (was Re: Cable as Nathan, and traitor)
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:57:08 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Sep26.125352.23317@news.columbia.edu>, kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka) writes:
> In article <lewandow.717480065@cs.wisc.edu> lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes:
>>In <1992Sep24.140635.2626@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
><Stuff deleted  __------>
> You ask me, I think that we'll discover that Luna is possibly the most
> powerful mutant ever, and that a part of her power is that no one can ever
> prove that she is not a normal human.  Her powers would be somethink like
> Bink's (from the first Xanth book), in that they will protect her from all
> harm.  And, of course, to best protect her from harm, she should appear
> harmless. (It was her powers that prevented Quicksilver from bathing her in
> the terran mists, not the Thing -- She manipulated the events so that no
> one would realize that she was her own savior.)
> 	Of course, this would only go on until she joined one of the
> X-books, in which they find out that she is one of the twelve, a highlord,
> and developes a long-range energy-based attack.  *sigh*

I was wondering about this.  You say they did mention that she hadn't been 
exposed to the mist?  Could anyone fill me in on this?  I just figured it
had never been mentioned.  And isn't there still a chance she'll 
manifest powers after puberty?
							Mike S.
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Strange Looks...  (was Re: Rachel, Nathan,etc...)
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:16:13 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

>>BTW: I've found myself pronouncing it both "ZAY-vee-yer" and
>>"EK-zay-vee-yer" and sometimes when I'm feeling really goofy I call him
>>"HA-vee-air" ;) [I don't know which I think is right because I only
>>"pronounce" the name in my head--I really don't do too much talking to
>>other people about it. Speaking of which, anybody ever find themselves
>>really embarrassed when they actually say the name of a comic character
>>for the first time?? For example, I can remember the first time I
>>actually said "Legion of Super-Heroes" out loud---boy did that feel
>>weird!!)
> 
>>Using the 'Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary' (a very good one I might add)
> Xavier is pronounced - 'zay-VEE-er'.  I looked up St. Francis Xavier. 
> 
> I also felt weird when I first said X-Men to my friends (they were like 'who?')
> I just said 'never mind'.  

	Hmmmm.  Perhaps this explains the wierd looks I get when I mention 
I am Ultimate Ninja, member of the Legion of Net.Heroes!  I also get strange
looks trying to get people to read ALT.COMICS.LNH!  <hint>  Reading THAT
newsgroup <hint> is Really a thing that people who excel in comics do.  
Oh Well, I would HATE to Convince anyone to join the Net.Studs in that group
so ignore that I ever mentioned it!  <hint>  Even if they are missing out!
					
						wReam...
					   Ultimate Ninja!!

P.S.  So Scav and Drizzt what have you done lately to recruit the Legion!!
:+)  :)  >:-)

           


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From: cs922096@ariel.yorku.ca (JOSE J. MONTANO)
Subject: Re: Cable != Nathan (?)
Originator: cs922096@a01.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:33:37 GMT


In article <1992Oct6.033138.2012@njitgw.njit.edu>, bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>> The following is a quote from the latest Wizard (#15), from the
>> Whilce Portacio interview, page 48:
>> 
>> Wizard:  Going back to the Marvel days of your career.  You were
>> involved in the making of X-Men #201 -- known as the potential
>> kick-off of the origin of Cable.
>> Portacio:  The last thing that I heard was that Nathan Summers
>> was definitely *not* Cable.  Originally, when I was working on
>> X-Factor, it was agreed universally that when we sent Nathan
>> Summers into the future [in X-Factor], that he would be Cable.
>> It was something that Jim [Lee], Carl [Alsteter, who helped with
>> plotting], and I were going to do, revealing later on that 
>> Nathan was Cable.  Later on, I guess after the rumors started
>> to circulate, everything became very hush-hush (at Marvel).  
>> After doing those X-Factor stories, I have no real idea what's
>> going to happen, since none of those characters are ours.
>> 
>> Okay, I know it's not definite.  But, hey, I'm so desperate to
>> find evidence that Cable isn't Nathan (I disbelieve, I disbelieve,
>> I disbelieve) that I'll use anything, even a source as potentially
>> unreliable as Wizard.  So go ahead, shoot it down.  I'll at
>> least have some last bit of renewed hope in my contention that
>> Cable isn't Nathan, and that's enough for now.
>> 
>> -- 
>> "Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
>> if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
>> up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
>> *Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook


     I hope that Cable is NOT Nathan as well, just to prove that rumors shouldn't drive prices for the mediocre issue (#201) through the roof.  What happens when he's not Cable?  Will comic shop owners suddenly drive the price down?  Perhaps, if they're decent.  



|-) Joe
From: v083lmh8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Fred @ UB)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rachel, Nathan etc...
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <senWGpu00WDKM0tMQs@andrew.cmu.edu>, vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes...
>>>
>I believe (and someone else mentioned in an earlier followup (shows who's been
>paying attention :-) ) that it was in the What If... issue called "What If
>Professor X Had Become the Juggernaut?"
><<
> 
>not only that, but---so what?! The kid's name is "Christopher Nathan
>Summers" right? So making them twins named "Christopher" and "Nathan"
>was just a play on his name!
> 
>BTW: I've found myself pronouncing it both "ZAY-vee-yer" and
>"EK-zay-vee-yer" and sometimes when I'm feeling really goofy I call him
>"HA-vee-air" ;) [I don't know which I think is right because I only
>"pronounce" the name in my head--I really don't do too much talking to
>other people about it. Speaking of which, anybody ever find themselves
>really embarrassed when they actually say the name of a comic character
>for the first time?? For example, I can remember the first time I
>actually said "Legion of Super-Heroes" out loud---boy did that feel
>weird!!)

>Using the 'Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary' (a very good one I might add)
Xavier is pronounced - 'zay-VEE-er'.  I looked up St. Francis Xavier. 

I also felt weird when I first said X-Men to my friends (they were like 'who?')
I just said 'never mind'.  
>--Vernon.

							The Man (A Loyal Fan)

Keep the Faith readers of the 'Children of the Atom'!
					-Fred @ UB
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From: wbeakley@dante.nmsu.edu (BEAKLEY)
Subject: Infinity War and the X-Books
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:45:28 GMT

I think all of us fans of the X-books should take a few moments out
and give prayers of thanks that the X-Books didn't have any x-overs
with that miserably done Infinity War.  The Infinity Guantlet was
well done (even if the ending did leave a little to be desired), but
the I.W. was just plain pitiful!!  I read a few of the I.W. x-overs
in Infinity Watch, Dr. Strange, and Guardians of the Galaxy, and I
was so disappointed.  The whole thing was pathetically done.
(Ya know, if they HAD done a I.W. x-over, it might have been better
than what they did in X-Men 12 & 13 though....Hmmmm.)

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From: mikecap@euler.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: tmunson's post
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:45:32 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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I must say tmunson has stumbled upon an excellent line of thought.  The
idea that Mr. Sinister seeks the genetic material of Doug/Warlock fits
in very nicely with the facts.

1) It's not Jean or Scott's genetic material (that makes no sense at all)
2) Marvel needs to create Douglock at this point - this is an excellent
   opportunity to write him in and have him collide with X-Force.
3) Sinister does have the technology to create such a clone (We've seen
   his handiwork with genetic samples as with Madelyne)

Sinister may not know that Doug had Warlock's ashes sprinkled on him - 
this could cause the Douglock effect as he tries to recreate Doug in 
hopes of finding some kind of cure for Prof. X's technovirus (he does
seem to want to help - if not for the best of reasons).
This doesn't do anything for the identity of Sinister - that has to do
with the picture he showed Val (somebody fill me in on the husband
impersonation thing; I'm very curious about Sinister now - I bought
the Inferno back issues of X-men recently to learn a bit more about
him.)












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