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From: cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: AGLA
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:32:27 EDT

Hello,

wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman) writes...

>>> I'd like to collect some input on pronunciqations for the "godname" AGLA 
>>> as used in the lesser banishing.....
>...  [lots deleted] 

> Well, I've seen two versions of the phrase, "Aieth Gadol Leolam Adonai", 
> and "Atoh Gibor Leolam Adonai", both referring in some way to the 
> "mightiness" of the "Lord".

Thanks.   I think I have seen the latter somewhere.  It has many similar
elements with the Qabalistic Cross, no?

> This raises an interesting little question-- about the usage of this name 
> in a 'basic ritual' like the LBRP. What are the symmetries of meaning in 
> the pattern of 'names' YHVH, ADNI, AHIH, & AGLA?

Hmmm, the 2 names on the East/West axis (YHVH and AHIH) seem more 'sacred'
than the other 2, at least in Hebrew usage, and this is in keeping with
the E/W axis being the 'preferred direction' in the Neophyte ritual.

> (YHVH is another such non-word, not obviously or traditionally a 
> notarikon-phrase, in this case, but not fully a 'word', either. how about 
> ADNI and AHIH? What is their ancestry?)

I believe they are 'real' Hebrew words.  ADNI is simply 'Lord', and AHIH,
I think, is 'I am' in some declension or another.  The phrase that God uses
somewhere in the Pentateuch :  "I am that I am" or "I am that which is",
is, AHIH AShR AHIH, I think.

> My question still remains, however-- how could it be pronounced? If we 
> treat it as a word, just as we treat ascii as a word and pronounce it 
> ass-key, how _could_ it be pronounced within the various dialects?
> Aah-gah-lah? Aah-gih-lah? Aah-geh-lah? Anglicized Aag-lah? Or sound it 
> out letter by letter, aah-gih-lah-aah?

The overall fourfold nature of the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram,
as well as the fact that the god-names contain four letters, (as WELL as
the fourfold nature of the serpent formulae of circumambulation), have
always suggested to me that they should be pronounced with 4 syllables.
I've used a kind of 'canting' style similar to what Rabbis do to augment
the vibrating of god names, thus:

Yah-hay-way-hay  \
Ahh-doh-nah-eee   \  ...with the accent on the 3rd syllable, and the
Ehh-heh-yee-ehh   /     4th lower in pitch than the rest.
Ahh-gay-lay-ahh  /

Oh well, I guess you have to hear it.  I'm waiting for the GD audio tapes,
myself.  They may not be a total waste of money!  :-(
____________________________________________________________________________
   "A spirit with a vision is a dream with a mission!"   

                                  Steve Cranmer
                                  cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 12:19:32 -0400 
From: Shawn Clayton Knight <knightster+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Another Crowley question
Distribution: world

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

>I believe there is an underlying, universal moral "code".  Call it Kharma. 
>Right is nothing more than doing what's Kharmically correct; wrong is just
>the opposite.  The problem is, quite a lot of what passes for "right" and
>"wrong" has nothing to do with universal morality.  It has to do with power
>and control.  At the risk of offending all involved, I think Robert is
>dealing more from a universal moral code perspective, and the Thelemite's
>are dealing from a power and control perspective.  Most, if not all,
>Thelemite's (now isn't _that_ a generalization) don't feel anyone else is
>"qualified" to make the moral distinction's for them.  In a lot, if not
>most, situations this is a positive thing, given societies lack of insight
>into right and wrong.  But there is a downside too.  What happens when the
>Thelemite's ain't getting it right?

Part of my understanding of Thelema is that those who might consider
ourselves Thelemites (like myself) are willing to accept the
responsibilities of doing our Will.  Thus, if we "ain't getting it
right" we are prepared to deal with the consequences.  Compare this with
someone in an exclusively Christian moral framework who has a concept of
Hell.  Now this person may believe for whatever reason that they do not
have "God's grace."  (Quotes indicate that my concept of God's grace is
not quite the same.  I am most emphatically NOT flaming Christianity.) 
If s/he does not have this "grace" then s/he may believe that s/he will
be punished for hir actions in "Hell".  This is not usually considered
acceptable.  The person is not willing to accept the Karmic consequences
of hir actions (in most cases).

Christians often seem to forget that Christ had a way of saying "Go, and
sin no more."  They believe that they have achieved grace, and then
promptly go on "sinning" anyhow (because God's not gonna punish them
now!)  They don't need to take responsibility because "God forgives
them".

A thelemite, however, IMO, tries not to do what s/he considers wrong,
but when s/he messes up, or was incorrect about "right and wrong", s/he
is willing to answer for the wrong, rather than recoursing to "God's
forgiveness."

Again:  this is not a flame of Christianity or those who responsibly and
intelligently uphold its teachings.

Love is the law, love under Will.

-shawn
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Knock Knock...
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:21:12 +0000


"Whose there?"

"Aleister"


"Aleister who?"

"Exactly"

Yawn. Wouldn't it be nice. I'm getting really BORED with Crowley.
Instead of being a source of enlightenment the old bugger is getting
to be a king sized bore.

When in doubt - chuck it out.
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Thoth Tarot Cards
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:19:17 GMT

che213z@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:

>    I have just been given Aleister Crowleys Thoth Tarot cards, and am
>wondering if any one has any information on them.......


>thanks Pat Altar-Cullar


I used this deck for a few years, and I suggest ignoring the little guidebook
which came with it, and majorly ignoring the big _Book of Thoth_ (it is
incredibly sexist and elitist).  For the Minors, just use the pictures and the
keywords at the bottom.  For the Majors, don't learn the divinitory meanings
so many books give--learn the Mysteries which each expresses.  (For example,
many books will tell you that the Hanged Man is interpreted as "life in
suspension, a time of inaction"; the real meaning of the card is the Mystery
which I call Sacrifice.)  The only *book* I consider to be useful is Piers
Anthony's novel _Tarot_.  The book will show you the main character *thinking*
in Tarot symbolism.  He has internalised the imagery--this is one of the main
goals of using Tarot, to internalise another map of reality.  If you only want
to do fortune-telling, the Freida Harris Thoth deck is really wasted.  The
imagery is much more vivid than is needed for fortune-telling.  Harris and
Crowley did some really impressive work here.

              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: jasonp@cunix4.Prime.COM (Jason R. Pascucci)
Subject: Liber T, Observations
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:45:48 GMT

---

A secret report from within the O.M.: 

One woman has come to our attention in regards the use of CRC's 
Liber T. 

Before, in Linear Time, the actual observations in question,
consulted Liber T, with the question 'Will <the subject> be there?',
to which the answer 'Disapointment' arose. <no interpretation at this
time>

The subject was at the appointed place. The experiment was to ask 
a question regarding the mudane world. This was different from 
many previous experiments, where no direct questions were offered. 

During the picking and casting of the first spread,
the observer observed a disturbance in the plastic medium,
and an additional disturbance in the (for lack of a better
term) emotional-eminations of the subject. 

Disturbance patterns in the medium directed the observer
to pick a certain spread of cards, which was done. The disturbance
resolved itself to a pattern, easily recognizable using
ordinary means. However, in translation of the subject, the
patterns were (noticibly) disturbed by the emotional-eminations
of the subject, and their perception were both blurred to the subject,
and soon  enough, to the observer. 

The english (spoken) interpretation was riddled with contradiction.
The subject's comment thereon was one of little trust in the outcome
of the spreads. 

Apon query, she stated that her emotional state was imbalanced(*),
and that these were very delicate times. 

<Know: The use of temporal adjectives, and the words observer, subject, 
and other nomers are simply artifacts of language, they imply no 
specific role.>

The mind must flow. 	

---

(*) Author's Note: The young lady in question, as I have mentioned
in the past, is attractive to me. I have resisted the temptation
to use a force of will to resolve this. With that in mind, I will
now state her emotional disturbance was due to her recent decision
to put an end to her long-time romantic interest. Also, the lady
in question has just come over a (predicted and executed) 
crossroads, and has a firm footing on her path. Also, her state 
was (perhaps) further modified by her upcoming menstrual cycle.

---

It is the opinion of this author that disappointment may very well
be related to the probability that he doesn't have a shot in hell
with this girl, if he plays fair. (Feel free to not comment
on this...the author understands very well what's wrong with it.)

-- 
Jason R. Pascucci
jasonp@primerd.prime.com

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Long excercise in theory (cosmology)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:19:20 GMT
Keywords: cosmology, theory, long

lyn@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Myself) writes:

>  Magick: (As distinguished from the 'normal' world)- The causation of events in
>a manner that is not consistent with the 'laws' of this world, as percieved by
>the majority of the inhabitants of this planet. Usually accomplished by an 'Act
>of Will', or a 'Manipulation of Symbols'.

Well, not all styles of magic would agree with this assesment, particularly of
the methods listed.

>  There is one basis for magick that allows for all ways, styles, and traditions
>It is based on the principle that (similar to 'stage magic') the reality we live
>in is not truely in existence. That is not to say that it does not exist, but
>like the idea it is, it has no real form or shape, other than that given to it
>by the perciever. IT IS ALL IN THE MIND.

I hope you realise that there are many magical practitioners who do not accept
this premise to be true.  This, of course, makes the rest of the post false
to those practitioners.  It is obvious that there is no way to prove or 
disprove the premise, so there is no meaningful argument of this post possible 
except among those who accept this premise.

              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)
From: blackman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Cancholech)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: ATTENTION: SUNYAB ARSA MEETING 04-SEPT-1992 Come one Come all
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:37:24 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic University Graduate Program
 Quote: Reality is the Product of Our Mutual Imaginations
 Philosophy: Life is just one Conception after Another.



	Attention UB! Your Alternative Religions SA (ARSA) will be
holding its first meeting of the fall semester on Friday September 4th
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	Come light the incense, come chant the phrases of power, come
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	We want to meet you, you want to meet us. Well you might not
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	Come eat rose petals, lie on your backs and see weird things,
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	Make people you desire your willing slave!!!!!
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Come to the meeting.

Love, Light and Peace.
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Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Empathic question
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:15:22 +0000

mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris) writes..

>Shields were mentioned for protecting empaths during problems. Could
>someone summarize how to, or where to find info on this process?

The key principle that worked for me - and any person will tell you
the same - is to concentrate like fury on _something completely
different_

Deliberately build what we used to call an 'ego structure' - I learnt
to drive cars really far too fast as part of an exercise in total
concentration - nothing concentrates the mind like fear of death.

Or visualise the odd pentagram. The key is what makes YOU feel
strong, capable, and 'on top' and allows YOU to turn negative emotion
into something useful. Ultimately the innate conviction that you will
win out is the sort of feeling that makes you immune....
From: lyn@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Myself)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: The pentagram
Date: 2 Sep 1992 17:29:58 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

ijd@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Ian J Dickinson) writes:


>I seem to remember, although only vaguely, that there is at least one
>method of geometrically constructing an accurate penta-{gram|cle|gon}. By
>geometric I mean using a straight edge and a compass, rather than a ruler
>and protractor. I had a go at trying to remember/re-invent it the other
>evening, and failed.  Can anyone enlighten me?

>Thanks,
>Ian.


>|Ian Dickinson    HP Labs Bristol (Knowledge Based Programming Dept)   England|
>|Email: ijd@hplb.hpl.hp.com    | Enough if something from our hands have power|
>|   These opinions are mine,   | To live and act and serve the future hour    |
>|  and not (necessarily) HP's  |                                 - Wordsworth |

   There is a simple geometric formula such as you describe. I belive it is
capable of generating an N-sided polygon, but it may be limited to odd number
sides......

   I think it had to do with drawing a circle, then bisecting it. You then
 divide the diameter into n equal segments, then take the distance from the
 2nd segment to the perimiter and rotate the distance obtained so that the
end-point falls on the perimiter of the circle, then spider-walk this
distance around the circle. You now have a circle divided equally into n
arcs, and you can play connect-the-dots any way you want.

	Note that this may be wrong, but I believe it is close....
Any corrections/empirical observations welcome


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Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: padutton@fledgling.WPI.EDU (Peter Alan Dutton)
Subject: Re: Beech vs. Beach
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:31:04 GMT

In article <87077@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>In article <24076@oasys.dt.navy.mil> huangj@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Juliet Huang) writes:
>>I have a fairly recent box of Honey Nut Cheerios that offers a free
>>Beech ball.  That's Beech with two "e"'s.  On the box, though, they
>>show the sand and surf, which I've always thought was BEACH.
>>Are they using a definition of beech that I don't know, is it an
>>error, or am I mistaken??
>
>Wow, that's one heavy ball.  Try playing water polo with _that_ baby.

I don't know - last I heard, wood floated...

Just don't chuck it at your unsuspecting five-year-old.

Peter!


Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: evan@hpl.hp.com (Evan Kirshenbaum)
Subject: Re: Petrified of ...
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:42:16 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

In article <1992Aug27.101346.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.112046.28182@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>, segr@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Read) writes:
>.  I doubt that you'd find any native speaker of English
>saying "petrified of", even when speaking informally.

And now I'm not even a native speaker!  Listen, I've gotten used to
the British with their "we spoke it first, so don't tell us how it's
supposed to go", but, I do believe that the American variety *is*
slightly older than the Australian. :-)

To reiterate.  Here is a native speaker for whom "petrified of" sounds
at least as good as "petrified by".  I'm beginning to think I may be
the only such one on the net, but I really would say it, and I'm sure
I've heard it.

Evan Kirshenbaum
    HP Laboratories
    3500 Deer Creek Road, Building 26U
    Palo Alto, CA  94304

    kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com
    (415)857-7572


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From: sgr@alden.UUCP (Stan Ryckman)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,rec.humor
Subject: Re:  Hross
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:36:59 GMT
Followup-To: alt.usage.english
Organization: Alden Electronics, Westboro, MA

In article <1992Aug28.170154.6142@oracorp.com> harper@oracorp.com (Douglas Harper) writes:
 >In article <1992Aug26.232637.985@dragon.com> cms@dragon.com (Spawn of a Jewish Carpenter (Cindy Smith)) writes:
 >>
 >> Speaking of metathesis....
 >>
 >> "Horse" originally comes from "hross," whence, I suspect, "Hoss" 
 >>Cartwright got his name.  The writers/developers of Bonanza must have 
 >>had a sense of humor.
 >
 >OK, I'll bite.  Why do you suspect anything so elaborate?  Why not
 >simply suspect that the writers had the fictional Nevadans nickname him
 >"Horse" and pronounce it "Hoss"?

Sorry, I missed the start of this thread.  Is this discussion
about that very strange animal, the "Hrossperot?"

:-)
--
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    Stan Ryckman   sgr@alden.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)
Subject: Re: "Grammar" & "Usage"
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 01:06:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.200534.3699@desire.wright.edu>, thayes@desire.wright.edu writes:

>                                                    ....  But allow me to
> present for you, verbatim, a paragraph from a student paper I have just read:
> 
> "Additional research could be done on how the size of the group as well as the
> proportion of men to female ratio is.  Does it help or hinder combining the to
> genders in groups who must problem solve for survival.  How does the dominance
> wiegh out in an artifacial setting compared to a in the field study."

Good example.  I think we do have to draw a distinction between the
sort of writing/speaking that can immediately be understood, and the sort
which takes some effort to puzzle out.

Why do we call this example a piece of bad writing?  Ultimately, it's
because it forces the reader to struggle to understand what was meant.
We can, with some effort, work out what the writer intended to say,
but it's that effort which leads us to say that the writer has failed
to communicate effectively.

If somebody said to me "There are fewer tollbooths on Route X than
on highway Y", I would immediately know what was meant.  If that same person
said "There's less tollbooths ..." I would need a few extra seconds to
understand the sentence.  There are, of course, situations in which
the reader/listener enjoys the challenge of having to decode an
obscure statement; but that is not one of them.

It sounds as if Roger has less difficulty than I do in understanding
the "there's less tollbooths" construction, which suggests to me that
it's so common in his part of the world that it can be understood without
effort.  If so, fair enough; but beware of arguing from local
examples to universals.

By the way, I am not asserting that "there's less" is unknown in my
part of the world.  That's not an unusual construct from an Australian
speaker - but it's not so deeply embedded inside my brain as to allow
me to understand it without a few seconds of mental analysis.

The juxtaposition of two nonstandard forms doesn't help, of course.
I would have had less of a problem with "there's fewer tollbooths".

Peter.
From: hermit@am.ucsc.edu (William R. Ward)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Usage: 'goes' for 'said'
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:26:03
Organization: Computing and Telecommunications Services, UCSC
Reply-To: hermit@bayview.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu
In-reply-to: windsor@hera.Berkeley.EDU's message of 20 Aug 1992 18:02:15 GMT

>In article <6163@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> hillyer@rrc.chevron.com writes: 
>>store and I go, "How much is that doggie in the window?",
>>and he goes, "$199.95 plus tax".  I seem to hear it all the time
>>recently., even from educated people Is it a Wast Coast usage (I
>>presume it's at least US, not found in the UK yet)?
>
>Better still is the use of "like," as in:  "Well, I was like 'no way,'
>but it didn't matter.  He was like 'you've just gotta.'"  The use
>of "to go" as a substitute for "to say" has been around in the mid-west
>since at least the early '70s.  The use of "like" I have only noticed 
>in the last seven to ten years.  Both seem to creep into the vocabulary
>in a manner not unlike a virus:  one says "like" just one time, then
>instantly claps one's hand over his or her mouth, shocked.  Soon,
>however, it pops out more and more frequently, until only a very 
>concentrated effort will erradicate it.  Like a virus, it can strike 
>anyone.  Golly.  I'm frightened.

Out here in California... "to go" means "to say"; but that's old news.
My 70-year-old grandmother in Washington has been "going" for years,
except that she would say "I goes `how much is that doggie in the
window?'" instead of "I go [...]"; even worse!

A few other creative verbs that I've heard are "to be like" and "to be
all."  Originally ValSpeak (the INFAMOUS "valley-girl" talk) phrases,
these are pretty common among teenagers and young adults in this beach
community of Santa Cruz.  The meaning is more subtle than just "to
say," however.  "To be like" refers more to a paraphrased quote ("So
I'm like, `how much does this cost?'" where the original might be "how
much is that doggie in the window?"), and "to be all" carries a
connotation of emphasis ("And he's all, `Don't you ever come this way
again!'").  Also note that this sort of context is for relating past
events, but interestingly enough the present tense is used.

Please excuse any incoherencies, it's 4 AM and I really should go to
bed.