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From: stewarte@sco.COM (Stewart Evans)
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:46:07 GMT
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From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  )
Subject: Re: RUTH Flamers
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:57:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.165916.3243@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
>in fact, I do believe most of the imagery ("running up that hill," even)
>implies a sexual or at least sensual interpretation.  There are many ways of
>approaching the lyrics, some platonic, some romantic...the point is, you and
>I may have totally different views about the song and I hope you didn't
>totally underestimate my cognizance of that fact.
>	My idea of the song is not an esoteric view.  And, I might add that
>I ordinarily detest sexual/Freudian interpretation, but in this case I feel
>it's quite justified.

	Before I hheard in an interview Kate's interpretation of the
lyrics (you know what I mean), I thought the song to be quite
sex/sens-ual in its implications, some of its lyrics ("Let's exchange
the experience"), and even the driving beat and weird Fairlight effects.
I thought the "official" meaning to be cool because I've often thought
that it would be a very educational and mind-expanding thing for a
couple to switch bodies.  Part of that "thing" might be sexual, as that
might be part of the couples' relationship.  I agree that a sexual
interpretation is legitimate in this case -- at least partially
legitimate, and I think Kate Herself would even agree.  (Ha!  Can't
argue against _that_, can you? =^])
	(Aw heck, maybe it's just  because I was still getting over
Puberty when RUTH came out.  Or  maybe it was my toilet training ...) 

	- Gord (a.k.a glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca)
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:04:06 -0400
From: mit900@cscgpo.anu.edu.au (Mark I Turner)
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-- 

I assumed Kate had recorded herself singing 'We let
the weirdness in' backwards (i.e. 'ni senndriew eht tel ew'!),
presumably after practicing by listening to a backwards tape of
the lyric sung normally.  Reversing a tape of herself singing
backwards makes the lyrics forwards again,
except that they sound, ahem, weird. They have the aural 
characteristics of speech played backwards, but with (just) 
understandable meaning.

I've actually done the above (idiot, eh!),
and with a bit of practice you can actually say
things backwards yourself that are quite clear when
recorded and the tape is reversed.  Usually you have
to listen to a reversed tape of yourself saying the words 
normally - just saying the words backwards as they appear on
paper ('ni senndriew eht tel ew') doesn't work to well!

 
I have a digitiser that can record short segments of a CD
and play them back in perfect reverse time.  I'll see if
I can pick up anything when the end of Leave it Open is
played backwards, and post the results.

Anyway, however it was done, it sure is effective!

Mark  

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:14:41 -0400
From: martin@cs.curtin.edu.au (Martin Dougiamas)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: End of "Leave it Open" (was: "Sat in Your Lap")
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From: eric.walker@channel1.com (Eric Walker)
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Subject: we all buried paul!
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa


UG>Now shall we discuss who the walrus *really* was? ;)

     Don't you know?  It was the Walrus Kate was referring to when she
     said "There's something moving under ice..." :)

     (And if anyone believes THAT, I've got a nice parcel of swampland
     in Florida I can let go cheap.)
---
 ~ SLMR 2.1a ~ People look ridiculous when they're in ecstasy.
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:08:43 -0400
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Wow! vs. Kashka?
Message-ID: <1992Oct12.170829.3507@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
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Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

	I'll probably get in trouble for interpretation again, but could
someone help me with this?
	The lyrics to "Wow!" contain a line which *sounds* like: "He's too
busy hitting the Vaseline".  If this is really how the lyrics go, am I
mistaken in assuming that Kate is establishing the "He" as a--to be
technical--homosexual?  If so, I wish she could have found a more appealing
turn of phrase.  It borders on the offensive, were I the easily offended
type.
	However, another song on the album, "Kashka from Baghdad"--and here
I'm sure I'll plunge myself into attacks of flaming from all sides--*seems*
to imply a homosexual couple.  The line goes, if I hear it right, "Kashka
from Baghdad lives in sin, they say, with another man but no one knows who." 
I take this line to mean (since I don't know the gender of the name Kashka)
that Kashka is also a man.  Now the song is very positive ("They know the
way to be happy") and I wonder at Kate's inclusion of both lyrics on the
same album.  Am I interpreting this the way most people do?  Is Kashka a
woman, really?  What are the thoughts out there?  And what's Kate's opinion
regarding sexual preference?
	BTW, I refer to two songs from Kate Bush's _Lionheart_ album, for
those who are unclear.

	--Andrew D. Simchik
	who doesn't speak for the U of R
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 08:54:30 -0400
From: allan@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us (Allan Balliett)
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Subject: New Tori Track
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From Oct 3 New Musical Express



from a review of RUBY TRAX the Roaring 40, a compilation by

NME Mag:



Tori  Amos RING MY BELL





It's 1979 and Anita Ward's innuendo-ridden disco hit tops

the charts with its rude implications and brilliant

'pyoowee!' drum noise. 1992 and Tori Amos - the US chanteuse

already noted for her moving, piano-only version of

Nirvan'a's SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT - Brings a distinctly

rock sensibility to Anita's hit. Versatile stuff, pop music,

eh?

           

---------------------------<<%>>-----------------------------



Other artists on the compilation include, Wonder Stuff,

Billy Brag, Jesus and Mary Chain, Fatima Mansions, St

Etienne, Danni Minogue, Aztec Camera, Wedding Present,

Suede, Cud, Boy George, Sinead O' Connor (Secret Love: Once

a Number One for the great Doris Day in 1954 ((whose songs

have also been covered by the highly disperate Sly Stone

and

Tracy Ullman)(. Secret LOve goes uptempo and brassy in this

new version by Sinead, herself something of a fan of the

classic torch song, whether it be Someday My Prince Will

Come from Sleeping Beauty or, indeed, your actual Prince

song, Nothing Compares 2 U.)





$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$



Ring My Bell will NOT be available on a third version of

SILENT ALL THESE YEARS as one of the less attendent

GoldMine

(GM) advertisers has insisted. (BTW The TORI AMOS video is

scheduled for release in NOV. and has not been out since

this Spring, as another scrapless GM advertiser has

contended.)



RUBY TRAX will be available shortly. Pressed in UK only.

More info from Intergalactic Garage POB 3047 Shepherdstown WV 254433
(304) 876-6818

----
Allan Balliett 
allan@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us 
{n8emr|nstar}!bluemoon!bsbbs!allan
The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198)
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:38:04 -0400
From: vickie@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: Tori talk
Keywords: own newsgroups; Tori Amos; fed up
Message-ID: <Oct.15.20.37.13.1992.16231@pilot.njin.net>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
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siemerin@cs.utwente.nl (Ben Siemerink) writes:


>Unfortunately for all the others, that's not the case. I myself don't like
>Tori Amos AT ALL, but every day I have to go through a list of more than 16
>articles of which only four are slightly related to KT.  Actually it's not
>only Tori Amos, but Peter Gabriel, Utah Saints (I still don't know what this,
>not that I care or so), C Side Records and the whole lot more. Yes, I'm quite
>pissed off of all this.

Say Ben, why don't you make up and post a list of topics acceptable to
you? That way, everyone on the list and newsgroup can refer to it before
they post about something that *you're* not interested in. If they
deviate from that list, you should shoot them.

Vickie

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:00:48 -0400
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From: "Scott T. Lillis" <sl4q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Subject: Trio Bolgarka
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

I like this trio on Sensual World.  Does any one know any thing about
them or their country of origin. ANY information about the Trio Bulgarka
would be much appreciated.  Also, does anyone know what Kate whispers at
the end of Hello Earth on the Ninth Wave.  It's right before she
whisper's 'Go to sleep little earth'.  I believe she's Pagan so I
thought maybe she was whispering something along those lines.
Thanx in advance

Scott Lillis

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:48:17 -0400
From: pierccm@wkuvx1.bitnet
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Subject: HARMONICA LIST SERVER CREATED
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Hello to all Harmonica lovers,

I have just had a list server for harmonica created.  This list is
open to anyone who plays any type of music, who likes any type of
music and those who are just curious.  EVERYONE is WELCOME!!!

This is for no certain type of music.  Personally, I would like to see
a large amount of diversity.  Blues, Jazz, Folk, Classical, Country,
Alternative, Industrial, Punk and all other styles of harmonica playing
are welcome.

To subscribe to this server write (via e-mail) to:

        LISTSERV@WKUVX1.BITNET

The body of the letter should be this:

        SUBSCRIBE HARP-L "your real name"

The server should send you a help file and any letters already in the
archives (which is not many, YET!!).

If you have any questions or problems write me at:

        PIERCCM@WKUVX1.BITNET

If you know of others who would be interested, please let them know.


Thanks,

Chris Pierce
pierccm@wkuvx1.bitnet
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:57:32 -0400
Message-ID: <9210082207.AA29456@whistler.sfu.ca>
From: Fiona_McQuarrie@sfu.ca
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject:  I Buried Paul, Dammit
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

Thank you, I am well aware that some Beatle-type person claimed it was
actually "cranberry sauce". I was making a *joke*. That's J-O-K-E. Not a
request for up-onemanship (up-onepersonship) or a show of trivia expertise.

Besides, think how much more we would all love the Blessed Kate if she
actually did silence Mr. McCartney, given his pitiful output of late.... 
Fiona McQuarrie
fmcquarr@sfu.ca

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:02:31 -0400
From: news@cs.su.oz.au (News)
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From: gregr@cs.su.oz.au  (Greg Ryan, g10b, xtn 4809)
Subject: Re: "Another Day"
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:37:49 GMT

In article <9210062030.AA26542@twitch.media.mit.edu>, nessus@mit.edu (Douglas Alan) writes:
> Roy Harper wrote the song and originally performed it.  It is on one
> of his albums (*Fast, Baroque, and Ugly*? I don't recall right now the
> exact title.)

"Flat, Baroque and Berserk"

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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:56:55 -0400
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Needs Real Music Critics
Message-ID: <1992Oct12.205618.8503@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Subject: re: Wow! vs Kashka?
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

Kashka writes:

>>	The lyrics to "Wow!" contain a line which *sounds* like: "He's too
>>busy hitting the Vaseline".  If this is really how the lyrics go, am I
>>mistaken in assuming that Kate is establishing the "He" as a--to be
>>technical--homosexual?  If so, I wish she could have found a more appealing
>>turn of phrase.  It borders on the offensive, were I the easily offended
>>type.

and Matt replies:

>Theatre actors wear heavy make-up known as greasepaint. After the show it
>is removed by rubbing it off with vaseline. Hence "he's too busy hitting
>the  vaseline" means he is too busy back in the dressing room cleaning up
>to receive any applause/accolades etc. No dressing room with a star
>and make-up girls for him. There is no implied reference to homosexuality.

To which I say:

Check out the video, where Kate pats her rump suggestively while singing
this line.  THEN tell me there's no implied reference to homosexuality.
The make-up interpretation is certainly valid, but not exclusive--heard
of double entendre?

I personally think it's a negative reference as well, softened by the
rather positive reference in Kashka from Baghdad--no other
interpretation possible in that song, IMHO, since Kashka lives "with
ANOTHER man".  She could have written "a lonely man", "a younger man",
or any other two-syllable man to fit the meter, but she didn't.  

"Kashka from Baghdad" is interesting from this standpoint.  "...no-one
knows who...", "...they never go for walks...", "Old friends never call
there..." --- all sounds a lot like what happens when people find out
someone is gay.

-- 
Kent Finley            | "I want to be a lawyer, I want to be a scholar,
P.O.Box 2081           |  but I really can't be bothered,
Lethbridge, Alberta    |  Ooh just gimme it quick, gimme it,
CANADA      T1J 4K6    |  gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme."
finley@lambda.uleth.ca |                  --Kate Bush, "Sat in Your Lap"


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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:20:17 -0400
From: "K.R.Marshall" <pcxkrm@unicorn.nott.ac.uk>
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Needs Real Music Critics
Message-ID: <1992Oct12.152102.19692@cs.nott.ac.uk>
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham
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In article <1992Oct11.175229.8958@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
>
>	If anyone has seen the October 1 issue of Rolling Stone, they will
>have noticed that 10,000 Maniacs' new album Our Time In Eden received ****,
>while Peter Gabriel's Us received *** and Suzanne Vega's 99.9 F received
>***1/2.  Now whereas I agree that Vega's latest deserved its rating (and
>probably more), Our Time In Eden is the least satisfying album by the
>Maniacs to date; lyrics and music are eminently inferior.  Us deserved at
>the very least ****; I like it much better than So, as a matter of fact. 
>It's lush, gorgeous, otherworldly...RS's criticism totally missed the point. 
>Our Time In Eden has nothing to hold on to, and is really much more
>"background music" than Us.  My feeling was that the ratings should have
>been reversed, if not totally rethought.  But then, this is the magazine
>that gave the Cure's inconsequential and unpleasant Wish ****.
>	While I'm on the subject of new albums, what are the thoughts on
>REM's Automatic for the People?  I'm impressed by what seems to be a welcome
>lack of pop-chart fodder.
>
>Andrew D. Simchik
>Whose brain and U of R's run on totally different schedules.
>
>"If he treats you horribly, he's probably a Scorpio"
>Robyn Hitchcock, "The Devil's Coachman," Queen Elvis

I'm sorry, I have to disagree with some of this - I found Wish a great album
that I listen to a lot - I also found Automatic for the People simply boring
compared to Murmur and Out of Time, my favourites by REM. I do, however,
agree with the comments on Us and 99.9 F, they represent steps in the right
direction for both artists concerned.

Keith.

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:13:57 -0400
From: s.telford@ed.ac.uk (Scott Telford)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: New Box Sets
Keywords: box sets; never for ever; lionheart
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In article <1992Oct15.022537@cs.utwente.nl>, siemerin@cs.utwente.nl
(Ben Siemerink) writes:

> I didn't carefully read all articles lately (mainly because so much non-KT
> stuff in between), so I missed what all those new box sets are about, such
> as Never For Ever and Lionheart. Can anyone tell me:

> 	- where they come from (is it an official release);

UFO Books, aka UFO Records.

> 	- what is in them;

bog-standard CD, large softbound book of photos (48pp), postcard,
monochrome poster, T-shirt. Some Lionheart boxes didn't have T-shirts,
some NF boxes don't have CDs.

> 	- whether there is new music material in them;

Nope.

> 	- where to obtain them;

Mostly mail-order specialists (never seen one in a shop)

> 	- how much they cost.

Here, about L28 (NF, no CD) to L35 (NF, with CD). The Lionheart ones
are getting hard to find now.

-- 
Scott Telford, Service Division,          / "Can I assume you're pissed out of
Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre,      /  your head on 'Big Sky', on the new
University of Edinburgh, UK.              /  album?" - Peter Swales,
<s.telford@ed.ac.uk> - (+44 31 650 5978)  /  interviewing Kate Bush, 1985.
x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from love-hounds to rec.music.gaffa; Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:59:26 EDT
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:58:36 -0400
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <9210140058.AA20543@syrinx.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: Who sings "Crucify Myself"?
	<12OCT199221475754@utkvx3.utk.edu>
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

Ron Buckmire writes, regarding _Little Earthquakes_:

>Was it released between Oct 1, 1991 and SDeptember 30, 1992? Then it's 
>eligible for GRAMMYs anyway.

Is tha based on domestic or international release?  _Little Earthquakes_
was released in...um...early March, I think, in the US, but this was
several months after the British release.  We kept hearing reports about
the album on r.m.g and I kept bothering folks at Tower so I could get a 
US release date.  I was *so* tempted when I saw a vinyl copy in New York
the first weekend of February, but decided to hold off for the CD.
Probablyf or the best...

Anybody remember exactly when _Little Earthquakes_ was released in the
UK?  I'm guessing November, but I'm really not sure.

Jeff
-- 
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|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:14:43 -0400
From: martin@cs.curtin.edu.au (Martin Dougiamas)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: End of "Leave it Open" (was: "Sat in Your Lap")
Message-ID: <martin.718568095@marsh>