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From: m0336@tnc.UUCP (RALPH JENKINS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Professional subs
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:49:01 GMT
Reply-To: m0336@tnc.UUCP (RALPH JENKINS)
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


I agree.  I don't think subtitling is all that distracting, unless the
viewer isn't used to them.  The average viewer takes everything for
granted.  Subtitles take some getting used to, but if eventually (if
they're well done), one doesn't even notice them.  For instance, when
I was watching AnimEigo's VPM for the first time it didn't occur to me
once that the dialogue wasn't in English. 
 
  -Ralph Jenkins

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From: ingalz@cji.Eng.Sun.COM (Charles Ingalz [Contractor])
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: HDTV
Date: 2 Sep 1992 20:11:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
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In article 47520@neat.cs.toronto.edu, tlai@cs.toronto.edu (Tony Wen Hsun Lai) writes:
>What does HDTV have to do with anime anyway?

Nothing really, but on the other hand most OAV's are done on film and then
transferred to NTSC before release.  So that means when HDTV comes out
it can be retransferred and rereleased in true-to-life picture quality.


Just a thought...(or maybe I'm still dreaming)

-Charles Ingalz
-Have a SMLI day!




Xref: sparky rec.arts.anime:17774 rec.arts.manga:814
From: bt11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Benjamin Daniel Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime,rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: rumor about Shirow
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:17:44 GMT
	<1992Aug29.211147.16953@ee.rochester.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

seah@ee.rochester.edu (David Seah) writes:
> Actually, I think his real job has nothing to do with his manga...the
> story published in Appleseed back pages has it that Shirow just does
> this on the side (!) by himself (!!)

Sorta makes you wonder, what is it that makes a guy create such
incredible stuff, under such duress.  Sure he hasn't produced as much
or as quickly as other artists (by his own admission), but by heck its
all been such a success!  Appleseed and Black Magic have been made
into (not bad!) anime, and Appleseed has received an award for best sf
manga.  Through all of this, and thehundreds of hours he's put into
his art, he continues other work (as a graphic artist instructor,
right?) with a hostile employer.  It would seem Shirow is as much an
interesting person in his own right as the characters he's created.  I
hope the veil of secrecy can be lifted someday, because I for one
would like to read a biography of Masumune Shirow.

conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) writes:
> In article <1992Aug29.064156.22093@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bn981@cleveland.Freen\
> et.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
> > 
> > I mean, a manga creator with a "secret identity", like Superman?  Am I
> > supposed to believe that no one knows who Shirow "really" is?
> 
> Ever heard the terms "pseudonym" or "nom-de-plume".  That's what
> "Masamune Shirow" is.  No, manga writing is not nearly as glamorous
> or respectable a profession as some of us would think it is.

Oh well.  I have a secondary interest in Japan, its subtle politics,
and the bleak picture of "The Enigma of Japanese Power" by Van
Wolferen comes to mind.  The harsh manipulations of the 'System'
suggest some sense for this unfair irony.  I doubt that many readers have
heard of this book, but please take my word that it is a
well-documented and fair one.  I bring this up because Shirow's
conflict parallels for me a people suffering from such injustice and
simulataneously being the source of such wonderful stories.

In this light, discovering "Sanctuary" was a profound experience, IMHO.

Signing off for now,
Your live(?), roving reporter at Notyale U.

Ben D. Taylor

a.k.a. yet *AGAIN* the mysterious Mr. Invisible

"Hello.  My name is Oedipus.  You are my father.  Prepare to die."
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Knight Sabers history
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:25:43 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <Bu1EvD.BG3@world.std.com> chadwick@world.std.com (Chadwick Ngan) writes:


+>when we were wondering just how serious Sylia is about enforcing these
+>rules.

+>> 1)  Do not divulge any information concerning this organization.

+>	Perhaps this is the only regulations being obeyed by the members,
+>but still, quite a few characters knew the secret through various mishaps.

	Fuargo(?) of GPCC(?) seemed to have direct information about the Knight
Sabers.  He knew enough to hire Syilia directly which would seem to suggest
that she informed him of something.

+>> 2)  Do not act upon a personal grudge.

+>	Yeah right, tell that to Priss ....

	And tell it to Syllia as well.  Given that she agreed to the attack
on Mason for other reasons than the death of that kid's mother.


+>> 3)  Do act upon the mutual consent of all the members.

+>	If everyone agrees, what's the problem?   :)



+>> 4)  Do not secede from this organization.

+>	Mafia gang ....

	Priss should also be told about this one.


+>> 5)  Members are personally responsible for any damage done to the 
+>>     organization's equipment unless that damage was unavoidable.

+>	(supressed chuckle)  Is that why Priss lives in a container box?
+>All the money she made as a singer went straight to repairs!

	I think all of her money goes to pay medical bills.



+>> 6)  Do not divulge any information concerning our clients.

+>	Okay, this one was obeyed by all ...



+>> 9)  The members do not know each other outside of this organization.

+>	(Laugh)  Since when have ANY of them feigned ignorance in public?
+>They hang out together, eat together, even have baths and saunas together!

	In the first episode there is a contrived "ignorance" scene in 
Syllia's store when they read about the GPCC job offer.


+>>11)  The penalty for violating any of the ten regulations listed above is 
+>>     death.

+>	Will there be anybody left?   :)





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From: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Subject: Batman
Reply-To: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 06:48:06 GMT


Okay, so technically this isn't anime.  (Then again, it *is* produced
by TMS.)  If this looks even half as good as the promo made it look,
I'm gonna have to take back a lot of the stuff I keep saying about
how really good animation, both techinical and plotwise, is completely
foreign to the American mass-market.

I had been anxious about the odd-looking character designs, but god do
they look good on the screen!  The movement is so smooth, too.  (Of
course, the first TAIL SPIN episode was done with near-motion-picture
quality animation, then changed to typical Disnet TV quality.)  I just
may be collecting this one...

			---------- Ryan Mathews
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From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: SHERLOCK HOUND
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:50:23 GMT
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)


  *sigh*  Guess I'd better clarify my posting.  It was prompted by the fact
  that I was watching Warner Bros. Cartoons while reading Dave's article.  In
  it, Dave expressed surprise at the fact that SHERLOCK HOLMES used four
  voice-actors, total.  I looked at my TV and there was high quality voice
  acting from ONE person.  Much in the back of my mind surged forth, and I
  posted.

  It had two points:      

  (1) Both America and Japan have good voice actors.  Mel Blanc was my example
      for America, along with the general quality of Disney's stuff (even the
      "Disney Afternoon."  I think the vocals in TailSpin -- at least -- are
      really good).

  (2) Both Japan and America can produce lousy Dubs.  American lousy dubs we
      all know about.  As for Japanese ones:  Try any episode of "Batman" or
      "Bonanza" dubbed into Japanese... ACK!  However, both America and Japan
      can produce *good* dubs.  

  Like it or not, the two are NOT mutually exclusive.  I've been taken to
  task for comparing Original voicing to Dubbing voicing, but -- like it or
  not -- there's not a Hell of a lot of difference there, either.  (I've done
  both professionally [Well, I got paid, anyway... ;) -- None of it was anim-
  ation, BTW]).  Yes, you have constraints when you're Dubbing over existing
  animation.  You also have constraints when you have to redub a line that 
  cannot be heard on the good take.  Yes, you cannot "set the pace" when you're
  dubbing animation intended for someone else's voice, but you have various
  constraints no matter what the format.  On stage or film, you have to follow
  the direction of the Director and the needs of the script;  In commercial
  voicing, you have to get everything out in under a minute, but not sound
  rushed.  It's *all* difficult, and it is all doable, whatever your national
  back-ground.

  That's *all* I was trying to say.  Thanks.

  And Ryan, I read and reread your post five times:  Are you serious that
  AKIRA was the only Anime with the vocals recorded before the animation was
  made, or am I misreading that?  If so, I suppose that'd explain why the
  mouth movements in 99% of Anime have little to do with what's being said, but
  I find it difficult to believe.
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From: jlee@nlm.nih.gov (Jhemon Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Where's the cheapest place to buy Intron Depot?
Summary: Manga-Chan? Bret Halford? Somewhere else?
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:15:25 GMT
Organization: National Library of Medicine

Keywords: 

     What's the least expensive way to get Intron Depot by mail order?
Skimming r.a.a and r.a.m, a few people have mentioned Manga-Chan and Bret
Halford.  Are they one and the same?  If not, which one is more reliable,
which one is less expensive?  Or would it be cheaper or safer to stick to
a larger mail order company?  If Manga-Chan and Bret Halford are one and
the same, should I use the Seattle or the Japan address?

                         Confused,
                             Jhemon Lee
                             jlee@lhc.nlm.nih.gov
From: daf31428@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David A. Fleming)
Subject: Re: Reading subtitles (was Re: Professional subs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:13:59 GMT

excel@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Brad Lucido) writes:


> With all this talk of reading subtitles, I would like to add an alternative
>method of understanding anime. Learn Japanese. It really is great to 
>be able to understand what the characters are saying. This way you can 
>get the pure meannig, which sometimes isn't always possible with
>subtitles because of bad translation, which happens occasionally. Also, 
>sometimes there really isn't a proper translation of a Japanese word or
>concept in English. 
> Learning Japanese is of course the best way to go and I encourage everyone
>to do so. However there is a great cost of time involved. I have studdied
>for three years and still am only able to understand about 60-70% on the 
>easier stuff and only about 10% of the difficult stuff. 
> Just something to think about.

	I'd hardly call myself _fluent_, but, after 4+ years of studies,
I can readily understand most films (barring excessive use of techno-kanji --
those who watch Nadia know what this is :-).  My problem is, whenever I watch
something with subtitles, I spend most of my time criticising the translation
rather than paying attention to the film.
	When you're just stating out, language-wise, the subtitles are nice,
but, before too long, they just get in the way.

				Dave Fleming
				daf31428@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: ANIME EXPO '93
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 11:35:00 GMT
Organization: JAFWA, Cal-Animage Zeta, Perth, Western Australia


In article <BtpJu0.BCL@cup.hp.com> lamont@cup.hp.com writes:
 > correctly.)  I would agree that El Camino is a bit far to be walking.

<snigger> You haven't met the crazy Aussies. :) Tom and I walked the
rough equivalent of the Red Lion to Nikaku in the one morning (before
breakfast), just for kicks. :) (Only to discover that Nikaku wasn't
open, so we walked back to the hotel.)

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From: ken@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Primer)
Subject: Re: they pelted us with rocks and garbage
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:38:53 GMT

albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong) writes:

>In article <BtnK7E.4Cy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ken@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Primer) writes:
>>Two groups of Japanese students stopped at our table, talked to themselves
>>pointed at us laughed and walked on without saying anything to us.
>
>Hmmm...waht kind of posters did you have one display?...or maybe some
>squirrels were doing something funny behind the booth?...
>
   Hmmmm Well I can't rember which posters we had, but they were rather
standard....It must have been the squirrels! I knew they were up to something!

-- 
  HAVE A NICE DAY!                        ken@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu
(or die trying)--------AAAAAAARG! the paranoids are after me!

                                                               <fnord>
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Subject: BGC <--> Blade Runner Further comments
From: ramberg@futon.SFSU.EDU ()
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:20:23 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: San Francisco State University

I was amazed at all the reponses. I have yet to see all the BGC
beleive it or not.. I have been too lazy to go rent BGC II from
Japan Video (it seems the only place I can find it in SF which
is kinda a shames considering the charge an arm and a leg for
a rental). Beleive it or not, with a little research, you can find 
places (at least here in SF), which will rent some of tyhe AnimEigo
stuff for 99 cents...) I did pick up the the BGC III CD and was glad I
did ( great stuff.. though I had to get the cashier to translate the
characters to make sure I got Asu e Touchdown.. the live version is
still more fun to listen IMHO)

Considering the Blade Runner and the Asia nifluences .. it lead me to
ponder an Anime of my dreams idea .. a third BGC series (perhaps
an apology for BGCrash ( or Crud as I've heard some people call it;
though I won't since I've yet to get it..) with Harrison Ford
doing a lead in like he did in Blade Runner { Related idea: Patrick
stewart doing the same for BGT ??? ;-))

Asia supplying some music ( yeah, I know they have broken up.. but I
can dream ..can't I ??) I would still want the Knight Sabers to do
most of the tracks .they really have a nice sound to them .
The only thing that remains to do would be to figure out a name...

cheers
-- 
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From: m0336@tnc.UUCP (RALPH JENKINS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Question about BGC's Mega-Tokyo
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:56:26 GMT
Reply-To: m0336@tnc.UUCP (RALPH JENKINS)
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


 
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From: as413@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric William Paslick)
Subject: Re: SHERLOCK HOUND
Reply-To: as413@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric William Paslick)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 06:18:14 GMT


In a previous article, odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin) says:

>
>  It's a common thread in this news.group:  The original Japanese voice acting
>  is *always* excellent, and the (insert English speaking country here) cannot
>  do dubbing of anything to save their lives.
>
>  So, explain the numerous Disney films.  Nope, Americans just can't do that.
>  Obviously.  And as for the four voice actors:  Anyone remember Mel Blanc,
>  and how he was the voice of damn near *every* Warner Brothers character for
>  twenty years?
>

Keep in mind that for an American production the script is recorded
before the feature is animated.  When a Japanese production is dubbed,
the voice actors must squease their lines into the already established
time frame of the animated mouth movements.  This makes it much harder
to sound natural.

Granted the Japanese animate first and record second, but they don't
care about matching mouth movements.  Perhaps when we dub stuff, we
shouldn't care so much ourselves.

					Eric
From: gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: the conty $LOGNAME/$USER thang ..
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:06:30 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network



Wings of Contyamise
Giant Conty
Ai Conty
Angel Conty
What's Conty?

Ryan Gavigan
gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
From: michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: ANIME EXPO '93
Date: 29 Aug 92 16:56:21 GMT
Organization: JAFWA, Cal-Animage Zeta, Perth, Western Australia


In article <l_cn4z#.harlock@netcom.com> harlock@netcom.com writes:
 > 
 > Well, I'm for the Westin.   When you go to the Parc, you are basically
 > "trapped" there.  Outside food and such isn't too promising.
 > But the Westin...wide open spaces, HUGE FREE parking garage, no more
 > parking problems.  Togo's Eatery close by, not to mention the El Camino.
 > Lots more options and a lot less clusterphobia at the Westin.

Add one more voice to that. Hey, maybe if the guys in charge could take
a poll to see what general FAN indications are for venues, that might
help...

(Greg, Mike, whoever else??)

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From: vlad@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Vlad G. Pohnert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Robotech 2 The Sentenels
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 00:37:43 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:

- In article <cleung.031m@aland.UUCP> cleung@aland.UUCP (Christopher Leung) wri
- >What ever happened to the project concerning Robotech II:  The Sentenels?
- >I was told that it was supposed to be in production but don't know if this
- >is true.  Could someone tell me what is going on with this project?
- 
- It's dead.  Has been for quite a few years.  No money, I believe was
- the big reason.  So Carl's pet project went belly-up.  [We'll pause a
- moment as all the anti-Macek-ists cheer uproarously.]  If you want
- fuller details, read Robotech Art 3: The Sentinels.  But suffice it to
- say it is no longer in production and it is *highly* doubtful it will
- be ever go back into production.  You can buy the Robotech II: The
- Sentinels videotape which has the three finished episodes.
- -- 
- Bill "Whassamatter?!  Can't you take a joke?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
- Disclaimer:  The author apologizes for any thought-provoking material he may
- 	     have accidentally included and promises not to do it again.
- Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.


what I heard was that Matel (the toy sponsor) backed out of the project 
since they could not compete with the larger toy companies with thier 
Robotech toy line.. But your right in the end, no money = no Robotech 2

Vlad


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
< Vlad G. Pohnert                            >> First thought that >
< "BAKA no Baka" Fanzine Co-ordinator        >> Gato has after     >
< Want a career in Anime?                    >> seeing the GPO3:   >
< Join Strike Force Baka and help kick butt  >> "Gundam in a       >
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>breadbox!!" >>>>>>>>
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Streamline sighting!  (SFBC)
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 05:47:32 GMT

In article <Aug.28.17.46.27.1992.22146@remus.rutgers.edu> pearl@remus.rut
ers.edu (Starbuck) writes:
>
>Just another example of anime appearing in the mainstream:
>
>The latest bulletin of the Science fiction Book Club lists 
>2 video releases by Streamline on videotape-
>
>Lensman & Robot Carnival.  Unfortunately, they were selling for $39.95
>which is $10 more than what they retail for.
>
>Caveat Otaku!
>
>Steve
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Hmmm...You say the Science Fiction Book Club was had that anime in its
"Things to Come" Catalog?  Interesting...several months ago, it had
the english-dubbed AKIRA for $50.00.  I recall posting, asking if it 
was worth that much.  Nobody answered.

---Chris Meadows 

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