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From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: time-travel backwards possible? perhaps
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:42:57 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <8347@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> hinson@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson) writes:
>OK, for anybody interested, please consider the idea I am using in
>a sci fi book I am writing (note: this is the first time I am
>telling anyone about this).
>
>In it, "time travel" is done by creating a field in which a sort
>of "mini-universe" exists that is an exact dupicate of the universe
>we know of as it was at some previous time.  When you transport
>yourself into a particular part of that universe, you become a part
>of it. However, the universe and the "alternate time line" only
>exists as long as the field is on, and it actually exists in the
>present time.  When the field is cut off, the time traveler will
>appear back his own time right where the field was being produced.
>
>You could also reach in and pull someone from the "created universe"
>into your own universe (but only if you "expel" energy equal to his
>mass from the real universe in doing so) and see how a person from
>the past will interact with the future, however when the field is
>shut off, the past person will cease to exist.
>
>Any comments are welcome!
>
>-Jay

Jay!  You're on .current!  How about that!

My comment: sounds a lot like a holodeck; in particular, it sounds a lot
like the holodeck from "Elementary, My Dear Data".  Now while Moriarty
wasn't a real person, just a fictional one, he did "interact with the
future".  Of course, the holodeck is not normally asked to do this but
it does seem to be possible.

BTW, once again, good luck on the book!

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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Part II *SPOILERS*
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:55:02 GMT

In article <Bv61Er.64z@spock.dis.cccd.edu> markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby) writes:
>In article <1992Sep21.221539.5342@tin.monsanto.com> lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
>>*SPOILERS* for Time's Arrow Part II


>>
>Yes, and how the Away Team got their 19th Century clothing so fast (did
>they jump into a store, by chance?
>
>>But, hey, that's literary license, no?

>No.

>Julie Bixby                        Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
>Engage Romulan .sig cloaking device....

Don't be so harsh, Julie.  Is it so hard to believe that they robbed a
clothing store at night?  No alarm systems, right?  How hard could it
be?

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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Where's the Lynch Review of TAII?
Date: 26 Sep 1992 22:09:56 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

In article <19teomINNm8t@agate.berkeley.edu>, wjolitz@soda (William F. Jolitz) writes:

>>Did I miss Lynch's review of TAII? I really like his reviews, and I'd
>>like to know what he thought of it (I wasn't thrilled, myself).

Then, Gym Quirk wrote:

>Back in August, Tim mentioned something about Real Life(tm) keeping
>him away from the net more often.  He also said that he'd be posting
>his reviews on the saturday of the appropriate week.

Finally, Dave Schaumann added:

>Tim posted a few weeks back that he's got a new job that will be taking
>up a lot of his time.  He promised he'd still be posting reviews, but that
>they wouldn't show up until the weekend after the show was out.  So look for
>Tim's review some time this weekend.

>BTW, Tim also mentioned he would have little or no time to participate
>in discussion...

That he...er, I...did.  :-)  'Tis quite true; except under special circumstan-
ces, Saturdays or Sundays are the most likely times a review will arrive.

The one for TAII was posted about ten minutes ago.  Enjoy; it looks from what
I've just read like I was more disappointed than most.

Tim Lynch
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Klingon home world's name revealed!
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:08:40 GMT

In article <92268.200645IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Nicholas C. Hester <IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.152022.29141@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov
>(gary l. schroeder) says:

>>>>warp core, he said, "I would rather die than let the traitors of Kling pick
>>the
>>>>meat from my bones." (I am certain of the quote). So is this it? Is "Kling"

>>Ah...but!  Does this refer to the Homeworld?  Or to a Klingon god?  Or a
>>military establishment?  Or a philosophy?  There's nothing in his
>>statement to conclusively prove that he was referring to the Homeworld.

>Hmmm. KLINGon people.  "traitors of KLING."  Sounds like the homeworld
>to me. :)
>I know, I know...some writer said it was a leader or god or something.
>I just don't agree.

If an Islamic warrior said to a fellow warrior : "You and all of your
kind are traitors to Allah" or "Islam", would you assume that they were
from the planet Allah?  [we're assuming, of course, that you're an
extraplanetery observer.]

Actually, no writer that I know of ever claimed that "Kling" referred to
a leader or a god, I'm just playing devil's advocate and trying to show
that while the above sentence is highly suggestive of the idea that the
Homeowrld is called Kling, it is by no means proof positive; something
that everyone around here seesm to demand before accepting anything as
canonical.


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From: shadow@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (the shadow knows)
Subject: Re: trek food
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:45:15 GMT

	haha! and TOS guys said the kelvins had pathetic food! when
kirks' eating geometric shapes? ewe!!! well...i'll give him the 
benefit of the doubt..maybe it was his kiddie breakfast cereal..
gee.we already DO eat wierd geometric shapes...

-mark
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From: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Subject: Re: TA II question--spoiler
Originator: rhballan@c00577-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:39:41 GMT


In article <1686DB653.IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>, IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil) writes:

|> 
|> In article <92268.222923PAB7@psuvm.psu.edu>
|> <PAB7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|>  
|> >What I want to know is, why did the rest of Data's body get transported back
|> >perfectly to the 24th century but his head got left behind?  Did he have a
|> >loose screw or something?  Or wasn't he operating that snake-cane correctly?
|>  
|> Have you considered that his body was inside the limits of a field and his
|> head was outside it and when the field closed it severed the two?

First of all, Data wasn't 'operating' the cane.  The alien activated it just
before Data grabbed it away from him.

The head was severed before the field closed.  The field was actually opened
in Data's neck.  What gets me is why didn't Picard throw his head into the 
field before its closed.  The only explanation I could come up with is that
he didn't want to create some sort of time paradox. It's also convienent
that Picard knows binary and knows exactly where to encode a message in Data's
positronic brain.

Rob
From: 924babik@gw.wmich.edu (Lisamarie Gemma Babik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi on TA II (**SPOILERS**)
Date: 27 Sep 92 13:50:59 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

>    Did anyone catch Troi's dark sun tan on TA II?  Brent Spiner noted at
> a Con that I went to this summer that she was in the Bahamas for 2-3 weeks
> right before the filming of TA II.  It's pretty funny...if you watch TA I
> and TA II back-to-back, you can *really* notice it.  Must have been the
> Triolic (sp?) waves :-)
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Ryan Rogers


Nah....I think it was just because it was her first exposure to earth sun 
rays in a long time (I don't know if she's ever been to earth before).  
She was in sunshiney California ya know, and for all the luxuries of the 
holo-deck, there's just nothing like the real thing!
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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: REALM OF FEAR -- OPINIONATED COMMENTS
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 03:03:09 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)

   Spoilers




   Well, this really has nothing to do with the review, but
I didn't want to come up with a title of my own.

   Anyway, it was mentioned early in the story that some
Ferengis were claiming they were attacked by the Cardassians.
This had nothing to do with the episode, but I wonder
if they are trying to foreshadow to later on in the season.

   As far as the episode, it was nice.  I thought Schulz (sp?),
while a little hammy, did a reasonable job at showing how
nervous he was.

-- 
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
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From: jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY ALLEN WILES)
Subject: Re: Need help with episode name
Originator: jawiles@pepe.csc.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY ALLEN WILES)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:28:17 GMT




|> I do not remember the name of the show but that was very important because
|> the big E did not have enough chemicals to restore the soil back to normal
|> but there was this ship that deals with the black market that had the
|> chemicals they needed.  Data went over to get them and the captain of the
|> other ship was a pirate and collected special rare items.  They knocked out
|> Data and anilazied what Data was made of and put thoses compoundes on the
|> shuttle craft and blew up the shuttle.  Captian Picard thought Data was
|> dead and went back to the planet and solved their problems. Riker or Georde,
|> I do not rember which one it was but they thought that the cargo ship
|> just happened to be in the right place at the right time was not right.
|> Picard went back to the cargo ship.  While the big E was away Data was
|> trying to escape from this prisson.  An away team beams over and helps Data
|> defeat the captian of the cargo ship.

The episode name was "The Most Toys".  It was not soil they were trying to re-
store, it was the water supply on the planet.  

It was actually Dr. Crusher who made the astute observation that Fasio, the 
pirate who kidnapped data, just happened to have this rare, volitale substance
IN JUST THE RIGHT AMOUNT to clear up the water supply!  She concluded that 
Fasio had poisoned the supply in the first place to lure the enterprise to 
him by his having the volitale substance.

Also, the away team does NOT beam over to Fasio's ship!!  Data instead enlists 
the aid of one of Fasio's servants to help him escape.  In what was IMHO the 
best part of this special episode, Data is discovered by Fasio.  Fasio then 
kills Data's accomplice with a disruptor (a very painful death!).  Fasio then
"Lays down the Law" for data by telling him that he cannot escape, because he 
will not kill him.  After Fasio's speech, The big E beams data back to the ship.
Interesting point:  O'Brien discovers that a disruptor (Data's!) has been 
discharged ...  O'Brien deactivates it, and Data is back home safe and sound.
In other words, Data would have WAXED Fasio if the big E did not bring him 
home.  Maybe Data is more human than we think!  Good episode!!

--- jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu           DATA LIVES!!   
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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: Data+Riker+Troi = Spock
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:30:49 GMT

All I can say is that Data is the only one (except for maybe the M5) that
has been able to run the ship singlehandly. A couple times he had to take
over to a large or complete extent due to things humans were being afflicted
or affected by.

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From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss)
Subject: Re: Oh my *GOD* .... is it.... *CONTINUITY*?!?!?!?! (Spoilers)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:06:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.181359.3243@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
>In <29SEP199213162212@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>
>afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison) writes:
>
>>Here's one for those who haven't seen Time's Arrow II ...

>>[...what follows is a paraphrasing of something said by Guinan in
   the episode "Booby Trap..."]
>>
>>"A long time ago, a bald man was kind to me when I was hurt" or words to 
>>that effect. 
>>
>>*Was* this continuity or a lucky happenstance for the writers ? You be the 
>>judge ! (Also, this *has* to mean that Guinan *knew* about Data's head and 
>>the problems that were about to unfold. Boy, that woman sure can keep a 
>>secret !)
>
>Ack!! Call the cannon cops!! It....it....it...is....*CONTINUNITY* !! This
>is Star Trek -- That just is not supposed to happen!! :)

Coincidence.  Gotta be coincidence.  The writers don't have that good
a memory (heck, even the net collective forgot this little one liner).
And we all know that they would NEVER go looking in old episodes for
something like this.

Or would they?!?

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!  This is worse than contemplating
time paradoxes!  I'm so confused!

And just for the record...

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From: hinson@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: All the Time Travel Troubles
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:49:04 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <12745@cis.rand.org> Phyllis_Gilmore@rand.org (Phyllis Gilmore) writes:
<Various posters have concentrated on the temporal complications.  
<Unless I've missed something, no one has noted on the net the
<equally fun problems astronomical theory implies (no original thought 
<in this, but I can't remember which book I read it in).
<
<The Earth orbits the sun.  It is also held that the sun moves within
<the Milky Way galaxy, and that the galaxy itself also moves.  Thus, if
<you merely travel back in time, you're likely to end up without a 
<planet to stand on.  And, given the complexity of the motions involved,
<good luck trying to calculate where in space you should be at a 
<specific time to "catch up" with the planet.
<
<Wait, this is fun.  Maybe that's why the latest crop of baddies had to 
<travel in time to Earth from another planet entirely.  Hm.

In a sci fi book I am writing, I try to take such things into consideration.
In it, time travel is only practical once you set up a couple of reference
points that can be used as a frame of reference.  In my situation, the
earth-sun system is used so that as you set up a field that connects your
time to a previous time, the field that appears in the past is in the
same location with respect to the earth and sun as the field you create
in the present.

Something like that should take care of the problem you mention.  After
all, there are supposedly no special frames of reference, so if you
travel through space or time, you have to indicate what it is you are
traveling with respect to.  So you find a way to travel with a 
different "temperal velocity" than the earth, but keeping your "spacial 
velocity" zero w/r/t the Earth.

-Jay
From: william@cs.arizona.edu (William E. Hertling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:00:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <81012@ut-emx.uucp> reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu (Alireza Vali) writes:
>In "Ream of Fear" Barclay gave O'brien a DIRECT ORDER.  Wait a second... how
>can a Lieutenant Junior Grade give an order to a full Lieutenant???  After
>a closer look, O'brien's rank insignia was revealed as a single hollow
>pip!!!!  That's even lower than an ensign.  Didn't he used to be a full
>Lieutenant?  I'm pretty sure he was referred to as Lt. O'Brien many times
>in the past.  What's going on?  Did he get demoted?

This is really a FAQ now I think. O'Brien was referred to as a Lieutenant
during the first and second season, whenever he appeared on the show. When
he became a regularly appearing crew member, his rank "dropped" to Chief
Petty Officer. He did not get demoted. Just pretend that he was never a 
Lt. to begin with, and that no one ever referred to him as Lt.
In short, you could say that those brief sections of episodes in which
O'Brien is referred to as Lt. are non-canon.

william@cs.arizona.edu

	-	D	R	A	G	O	N	-


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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: time's arrow ii (spoi
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:39:41 EST

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>  and predictable part II...  And the acting.  My *God*...  I couldn't believe
>  *any* of them.  The dialog, when present, was terrible.  And we learned no-

Quite true.  Bev's "I would go back to a time when there was great
plague to cover up the killing..." line and Riker's "I'd just like you
to know that I have the utmost respect for the law" appalling!  But I
liked it when Data read his line in "A Mid Summer's Night" as if he'd
been rehearsing it for months.

>  Paramount: PLEASE stop using two-parters with only the first part
>  written and with no ending in mind.  As you have so *amply* proven
>  year after year, THEY DON'T WORK.

Ya, I agree.  But there's not much you can do about it.  It's much
harder to do a good two-parter with a good cliff-hanger.

>  So, anyone want to speculate on what happens when someone finds Data's
>  machine (which, as far as we know, is still sitting on the desk)?

I think Jack would just try to sell it as a horseless carriage engine
and then get melted to bits by the toxic components...!  :-)



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From: gupta@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Dhanesh Gupta)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Time's Arrow, Part II"
Keywords: TNG, Data, head, time-loops
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:58:35 GMT


        Spoilers Ho!!!





































I think that Guinan just went to the Presido and asked Sean Connery if he
would let our fearless crew into the mine shaft... :->









Dhanesh K Gupta                         Your friendly neighborhood 
                                        biomedical engineer
                                        (and med student too)

The hardest thing about learning is getting over the fear of not
understanding.				DKG
From: v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Beta-Zoid Plexing
Summary: Faker-Barclay
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:04:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bvo5Aw.F7K
Organization: SUNY at Beefalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct5.205120.13113@wuecl.wustl.edu>, ac1@cec2.wustl.edu (Anuj Chandra) writes...
>Plexing is one of weirdest pseduo science ever on ST:NG. Tapping on
>the artery behind the cortoid (?) nerve in the neck seems to INSTANTANEOUSLY
>release endorphins that INSANTANEOUSLY has an  effect in calming Barclay.
>Barcllay looks ridiculous when he taps that stupid nerve.
> 
>Why shoould betazoid plexing work on a human?
My impression was that it doesn't work for him, and he was faking it so he
could get the hell out of Troi's office.  Barclay is quite, somewhat, EXTREMELY
uncomfortable for who knows how many reasons (besides having a major crush on
her--expand on the symbolism of the Troi hologram in "Hollow Pursuits" and you 
could interpret it that way.)

Just my humble 2 cents worth,
Anthos, the Grey Knight, High Preist of Minikar, God of Chaos, Horrible Puns,
                                                  and Extremely Bad Form
================================================================================
Across time and space/ The grey knight cometh/ With dragons to rape/
Madiens to slay/ Castles to sack/ Towns to pillage/ Quarterbacks to plunder

Oh, how I am confused!
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From: bcash@bnr.ca (Brian Cash)
Subject: Re: Times Arrow II   ** SPOILER **
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:53:02 GMT





























spoils below (I hope this ^L thing works)

Another interesting note:

Picard taps a rather long message into Data's head.
Not bad for someone in a leadership role (not a tech like LaForge)
using just a piece of metal!  And Data could only send the number 3 into
the alternate time stream with the entire starship at his disposal!
I guess leaning positronic processor based binary is in the captains' entry
exam at Starfleet :-)

Brain /-|-\


 
 
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From: jwalters@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Top Ten List
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: usa,na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:19:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.055240.1309@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jzarin@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jason Zarin) writes:
> 
> Here is my first crack at a Trek Top Ten List.  Here goes....
> 
>         Top Ten Plot Lines You Never Saw In Time's Arrow II
>         ---------------------------------------------------

 snip

> 
>  2. 12% degregation of Data's head shows its effect.  Data reboots into
>     DOS.
> 

I was also expecting to see signs of brain damage in Data. I thought he might
start swinging his arms up and down, and shout "Warning, warning, danger Will
Riker!"