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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:39:47 GMT

In article <lcei1vINNk2j@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <92Sep23.154131edt.55@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>  (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>Yes we do know.  
>>
>>Sure they are free to talk, walk, and FIGHT.  Do you know why?  Jiang
>>can't control Li ZongRen or Bei CongXi, if he arrest them, GuangXi(Gui)
>>armies will up in revolt.  Li hated Jiang, that's why he would return
>>to Beijing in the 60s rather than go to Taiwan. 
>
>Then why Li was poisioned after he returned? (by CCP)
>
my god, you just told me that the CCP invented a poision to produce
instant late stage Cancer!  What an invention!  They must developed
it during the "Great Leap" when other mavelous things were invented!  

Or do you mean by..., poision Li ZongRen, send him to hospital, and
used drugs to influence his mind, made him fall in love with a young
nurse and marrying her...(hey I am serious -- Li married again before
his death)  Now do you know that?  Did that ever get reported Taiwan?
Or did you fall for "Li ZongRen poisoned by CCP" KMT propoganda again?  

Now maybe he died 'cause he's too excited about his "grand-daughter age"  
wife?  ya know, there are certain acts that are very energy consumering  :-)     
There's no reason for them to touch LiZongRen, FuZuoYi, it's     
the same reason Jiang did not kill Zhang XueLiang, or Sun LiRen,
like I said, "Why beat a dead tiger?"  And they are certainly worth
much more alive than dead.  I got news for you, for high-ranking
KMT generals, not only CCP give "Deputy Chairman of XXX" to surrendered
/turncoats/"Uprising" KMT generals, they kept all the captured
high ranking KMT generals alive, like Du YuMin, of course, KMT
was eagerly painting a death of "matryr" image over him while he was sitting
in a CCP jail and finally decided not to die for Jiang or KMT or
country or whatever.   
>>
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:31:01 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Two stories.( Re:Learn from Lei Feng)


         Here are two unrelavent stories .

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          " Learn from Lei Feng", Mao said.
          People ask:'did Lei Feng exist?'
          Some journalists looked back history.
          Their conclusion was simple. Yes, Lei Feng did exist.
          However his famous diary might not be out of Lei's pen.
          His Lian Dui survives so far only few people, including
          Zhi Dao Yuan, Lian Zhang. Others disapeared.
          It might be a long story.

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          A  story happened after Lai Ning died.(a teenager who devoted
          his life for others)
          Tuan Zhong Yang asked Lai's parents to give a speech on
          Lai's life. The parents sent their Jiang Gao to Tuan Zhong
          Yang. TZY told them that  it needed improving.
          When the parents received thier improved one, they
          cann't help crying, saying:'This's not our Lai Ning'.

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          X Xu
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:20:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <81136@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>
>>why CCP can survive? (because some of you still support CCP)
>
>I don't support CCP, but I'm not too enthusiatic about overthrowing
>it.  The reason is that I've looked at 20th century Chinese history.
>When people overthrew the Qing, they got the KMT.  When people
>overthrew the KMT, they got the CCP.  Based on this, I strongly
>suspect that if one just overthrows the CCP, one will plunge China
>into chaos, and after about 20 years, one will end up with yet another
>party which people want to overthrow.
>
The reason above leads the world to "DEMOCRACY". In order not to sacrifice
the common people benefits, the one who messed up has to step down and
surrend his power to the people. If one did not do well, this turn is
some else taking over.

Bear hope on CCP, China will be under one guy for one life time, and another
guy for another life time. There is no time for me and my children.
The guy holds power, what he says is the law.
>
>I think the best way of breaking this cycle is by developing the
>Chinese economy.  A developed economy puts a lot of pressure on the
>government to act in a certain way.  Power in such an economy flows
>out of the hands of centralized bureaucrats and into the hands of
>workers and businessmen.  Gradually, the rulers realize that they
>simply cannot rule in the old way and start to listen.  
>
This economy reform just provides more chances for priviledged people 
to get touch of money. The CCP top officials all become the managers
of the CCP named companies. Corruptions become a general sympton when
people are too greedy, so as power thirsty. The rulers will never
change, will never realize how bad the real China is. Because they
are too old to know, too old to listen, too old to walk around.
 
Don't you see the other side around?  The people can show their angry
in front of the ruler. The other side, the mad people got crushed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: To Mr. Li Xiao-Lin
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:23:46 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

ctchou@Kodak.COM writes:

>How many people spend more time on writing than thinking?

One!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,ucs.network
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: What abbreviation is ALOHA?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:49:47 GMT


For network expert: What is the abbreviation of the word ALOHA.
I don't need analysis, only the origin of the abbreviation. Thanks.
From: derx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Protection Bill's tie to MFN (To Zhao haiqing)
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:46:02 EDT
Distribution: usa,soc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <ding.921001112929@bell.ee.eng.auburn.edu>,
ding@eng.auburn.edu (Z. Ding) writes: 
> 
> In the recent CND-US, Zhao Haiqing wrote:
> 
>>At 1:00p.m., the House started debate and vote on overriding President's
>>veto of HR5318.  The final vote was 345 to 74.  We went to Congresswoman
>>Pelosi's office and met with her after the vote.  We thanked her and greatly
>>appreciated her leadership for both bills.  She reinterated that both S1216
>>and HR5318 are consistent on one point --- promoting human rights for China.
>>The purpose of HR5318 is to release political prisoners and improve human
>>rights conditions in China.  The purpose of S1216 is to protect Chinese
>>nationals in the U.S. from being forced back and face possible persecutions.
>>She even put it very bluntly: "You can not argue against HR5318 and only
>>want S1216 since if you indicate the human rights in China is fine and not
>>to support conditional MFN, then you can not argue that Chinese students in
>>this country still need protection."
> 
> 
> Is it yours or Pelosi's position then, that in order to achieve the personal
> gain of staying permenantly in the US, all CSS should sacrifice China's MFN
> no mattter how it hurts the 1 billion Chinese who have remained and are
> struggling to make China a better place to live?
> 
> Being an educated person, I think it is not difficult for you to see the
> immorality of such a position. You may do what's best for yourself in
> supporting S1216. But when it comes to HR5318 to restrict MFN for China,
> you are in no position to represent all the Chinese people whose interests
> will be hurt.
> 
> I therefore strongly urge you not to support HR5318 in order to gain
> S1216.
So, who cares about the MFN for "those" chinese people. " We " can trade 
anything for "protection"---even the "soul"   :-)----if "we" have soul!!
From: chana@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Andy Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: SPIN Magazine article
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:40:52 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

Did anybody catch the article in the October 1992 issue of SPIN magazine    
entitled "Beijing Bastards", by Andrew F. Jones?  It is about various Chinese
underground rock stars, such as Cui Jian, He Yong, and Tang Dynasty.

I have a Cui Jian CD, and would like to know where I could get recordings by the
other two, or by any other underground Chinese musicians.  I've looked all    
around in Portland and in Vancouver, BC, but could not find it.

By the way, my American roommate likes Cui Jian, and he regularly trashes on all
the crap music which comes out of Hong Kong, such as Beyond.  What does everyone
else think about Chinese rock?

Thanx in advance,

Andy Chan.

"A Weed is but a Flower out of Place"    --  William Shakespeare
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: New topic: What do you eat and how do you prepare your food?
Organization: MITRE
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:49:41 GMT


> Both are excellent suggestions. BTW, Zhonghai, I have never cooked fish before.
> How do you clean it? Could u give me (and maybe some other guys) some
> advice? Thanx.
> 
> On the other hand, if u stir fry too much, do u have trouble keeping your
> stove and kitchen clean? I guess there are a lot of bachelors on the
> net - girls don't like dirty kitchens too much, do they? Is it a concern at
> all? 
> 
> Can somebody provide good recipes for good salads? Life is short, we gotta 
> ji2shi2xing2le4.
> 

1) You have not cooked before?  You are very lucky!  
2) To clean fish scale (lin2) you need a special tool (scale remover) which
can be found in China Town.  If you don't have this tool, you can use knife
instead.  Put your knife perpedicular to fish, and move it against the
direction of the fish scale.
3) Remove fish gill (sai1) by a pair of scissors.
4) Cut fish belly by a pair of scissors or knife.  If using knife, be
careful, do not cut too hard.  It might hurt the eggs which is very
delicious.  It also might hurt the fish gallbladder (dan3) which may let
fish taste bitter.
5) If you have extra fish, and you want to freeze it.  Do the above
procedure, but DO NOT wash it, and then put it into
freezer.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hnoble@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Communism realized in computer industry
Keywords: communism, computer
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:01:01 GMT

In article <Buzo27.BCJ@acsu.buffalo.edu> ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu Wei) writes:
>In article <1992Sep21.182815.15974@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Hui Huang) writes:
>>I find it very interesting to see some communist ideas actually realized in
>>the computer industry, such as the concept of shareware, freeware and the 

The small-scale (i.e.,PC) computer industry started with an egalitarian and
society-serving philosophy.  Many of the developers were influenced by 
the political currents of the 1960's and were fiercely anti-corporate.
I suggest a book called "Hackers" that tells the stories of the Homebrew
Computer Club on the West Coast and of the students around MIT.

There is a similarity between the ideas of socialism that is democratic
and the internet and shareware/freeware concepts.  I agree with you
and like this aspect of the computer field very much.

-henry

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27031 talk.politics.china:1679
From: uphhslz@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: To President Bush.
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:47:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: Msu.00961B17.206E5DA0
Reply-To: uphhslz@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

In article <1992Oct6.095753.59462@cc.usu.edu>, haoc@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <BvEqoI.AxM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>> 
>> Dear President Bush:
...........................


Why write to him? You can call him tomorrow when he is on CNN Larry King's
one-hour talk show to answer the phone call?

Then you really make big noise about this issue
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chenx@cua.edu
Subject: Protection Bill
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:07:19 GMT

For the discussion of the protection bill, there is always an assumption
that Chinese government want these Chinese students go back to China.
My question is whether or not it is true.

As we can see, nobody in China care much about the Science and Technology
right now.  Everybody believe that business can make them and the country 
rich.  In particular, maybe half of of these Chinese student are majoring
in physics, chemistry, and the other fundamantal scientific fields, can they
make big profits for the country?  On the other hand, there are a lot of 
"noise  maker" for the government, they can produce nothing but trouble
to the government.  Why Chinese government wants them to go back?  To make 
things worse, you were in USA in the period of 6.4, they may have some extra
considerations if they want to put you in some embarrassing situation.

As my understanding, the first priority of the Chinese government is to
maintain the leadership of CCP, and everything else will serve this goal.
Starting from this point, I can not find a convincing reason why the Chinese
government want you back.  Nobody will enjoy the crack down of the student
movement, it is even true for Li Peng.  The best thing is that there is no
student movement at all.  If somebody want to say that the Chinese students in
USA is a chip, we have to understand what does this chip mean.  One thing for
sure that if all the Chinese students in USA will go back to China, there is no
doubt that many of them will become the organizer for the future student
movement.  I believe it since there are many reasons in politics, culture,
economy and so on.  If you are a boss, are you willing to hire somebody who can 
not make profits to you but a lot  of trouble.  In particular, he is also
a kind of the Union member, it is also a trouble to fire him.

OK, maybe my opinion is stupid. Hopefully, nobody will feel uncomfortable for
it.   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shi@conch.micro.umn.edu (xin shi)
Subject: TTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Summary: T only
Keywords: T
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:32:37 GMT

Hi, ttttttttttttttTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTtttttttttttttTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
From: cxu@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Chun Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Need help about zwdos21.zip
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:48:23 GMT
Organization: Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens

Hi, Netters:

	I read a news about how to Read Chinese Text on Usernet and
try to get it. Now, I got some problem and need someone's help.

	I have a AT&T 386 in my office and I can use KERMIT to enter
a campus network. Right now, I have got the zwdos*.zip through ftp.
these files are stored under my account in the campus network. I wanted
to use C-KERMIT to transfer the files to my PC. I have set the file type
BINARY. But the transmission can't work yet. The MS-KERMIT always said
" No response form host" and terminate the trans.

I appreciate your wonderful help!

Tang Siwei
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:16:09 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <BvGqGx.3AF@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
> ... ...
>
>Every Chinese benefits from his/her homeland by being respected because China
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>has stood up.

Are you sure about "Every Chinese"?  Especially those who have the access
to SCC ?   :-)

Let those, who applied foreign entry visa in person before they left China,
tell you how they were "respected" as a PRC citizen by foreign governments.
(that's why we have the access to SCC :-)

The worse thing is: the PRC gov't doesn't respect its citizens until they 
obtain foreign premanent residency or acquire foreign citizenship.  (Just
look at the new policy toward overseas CSS :-)

Please elaborate how the people ruled by such a gov't is respected?

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Bo Xiong in Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: an unsuccessful mail forgery
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:12:47 GMT

In article <9209291801.AA05834@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>
>          Oops!  zzuo@iastate.edu, where did you come out from? 
>          I am glad you are still alive :-).  I remember not long ago
>          you were a nei4 xian4r of mine inside the 9201 committee (I
>          still keep all the correspondence between us.  Your code
>          name was 110??1).  You stopped reporting and I have counted
>          you as "missing in action."

Tuya, I know that you are good at opening a from-nowhere line, from
rotten beauties to what-so-ever.
But this time you are so low as to betray supposed Nei4 Xian4, :-(
Obviously, you lost your credit. :-( Another question is that my
personal materials must be so important, in showing your good 
personality, that keeping the Xiao3Bian4Zi so long can make you
an competiable candidate for the model for other LITTLE MEN. :-0

>
>          Since you are alive you might as well take advantage of it
>          and refrain from embarrassing yourself publicly :-).
>

I havn't attended your funeral yet. I'm from a longevity family.
80 sounds like an easy number for me. Having good patience, I hope 
you can well past 30 though.  :{}

PS: Enjoy your LIFE, Tuya. :) I won't response to your talk show
anymore.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Michael Chang's family sacrificed for him 
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:05:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.124417.1115@acd4.acd.com> jjs@iedv7.acd.com ( James J. Song       ) writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.190528.26844@tamsun.tamu.edu> chen@cs.tamu.edu (Jianer Chen ) writes:
>>
......
>
>I only heard that Michael Chang's family had sold their house to 
>support his training. The similar stories have also taken places 
>in other tennis stars' families. It is not cheap to be among the 
>best in sports like tennis.
>___
I heard that they moved from Minnesota to the South as for a better
place for Michael Chang's training. Not for the financial reason. But I
did read something nasty about his father. Who cares.

Tingli Pan
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:44:30 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <BvJyv1.1DC@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)  
writes:
> In article <1992Oct2.183440.13380@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >
> >Mao is very stupid (or crazy). Even in late 1960s, he still proudly told  
> >foreign diplomates that he could summon a 100 million soldier army to  
"defend"  
> >China. I believe it was militarily motive that push Mao to encourage fast  
> >growth of population. 
> >
>   Then you are truly stupid.
>   Go to some country side of China, ask one of the woman on the street,
>   why does she want 12 children, she answers:" I want to build a strong
>   family army".
> 
> 

Don't forget that Mao awarded so called "mather heros" in late 1950s for having  
more than 7 children. Many Chinese were as stupid as you still are now. They  
simply did not question the authoritis. They simply followed their "great  
leeader".

Carl
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: yeh's prediction on the blood card bill
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:05:33 GMT


George Bush violated the Sino-US bilateral agreement to sell F-16s to Taiwan
because he saw *direct* income from the deal, and this piece of income can 
more or less bring him more votes.  But I do not think that the blood card
bill can bring him any *direct* "income" at this moment.  Oppositely, neither
Clinton nor bush likes to screw China just for nothing.  Assuming you or I were
Clinton/Bush, do we have to get mad with the Chinese people and the Chinese 
government, while our direct gain is zero?

When people sit aside to kick around some topics, they usually discuss things
ideally; but when they directly participate the executive level decision 
making, they usually become realistic.  In other words, Clinton likes to 
criticize China because he thinks that he may win more votes by doing this; 
but when he really becomes the president, he will definately change his face--
instead of criticizing China, he may use China to make his own emperor 
position stable.

I don not think, either, that the China card is that important for the 
Clint/Bush race.  It seems to me that their Mexico policy is of more meaning 
at this moment, because the Noth America Trade Treaty is one of their hottest 
topics these days.

Also, I have talked with a couple of American citizens regarding the blood card
bill.  Most of them do understand the nature of this specific game.  I.e., if
Bush decides to veto this bill, he will NOT get any significant, real pressure
for this.

So, my analysis is: 

	veto possibility is: 0.51;
	pass possibility is: 0.49.

shannon
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: naiming@eng.umd.edu (Naiming Shen)
Subject: Re: What abbreviation is ALOHA?
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 19:52:02 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Maryland

Actually Aloha system is not a abbreviation. It was developed by
Dr. Abramson? in Unversity of Hawaii in the early 70s. He proposed
the network system idea in the welcome party for him to University
of Hawaii. 'aloha' means 'welcome' and the system was in hawaii,
Got that?

Naiming Shen

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china