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From: morgan@socs.uts.EDU.AU (David Morgan)
Subject: Summary of Request for SF Bookstores in the USA
Organization: School of Computer Sciences, UTS
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 23:38:30 GMT

After my request here is a summary of SF bookshops in LA, NY, Washington and
Chicago.  Not all posters provided an exact address so this is the best I
can give you.

*THE* SF book store in LA is:

	Dangerous Visions
	13563 Ventura Blvd.
	Sherman Oaks, CA  91423-3825
	(818) 986-6963

In Manhattan, try Forbidden Planet at 12th and Broadway and The Science
Fiction Book Store (that name is probably wrong, but it's something like
that) on Bleeker Street near Thompson.
In NY: Science Fiction Bookshop, 3?? Sullivan Street (near Washington
Square)
       Forbidden Planet, Broadway and 12th St. & somewhere in the east
50s (the downtown store is larger)
The most well known store in New York is Forbidden Planet (the Broadway
location), but the Science Fiction Shop (on Bleeker I think) is probably
better. For more info on NY and Washington bookstores, you might drop
a line to Evelyn Lepper <ecl@mtgzy.att.com>; she maintains a couple
bookstore lists for the northeast US.

Washington no longer has a science fiction and fantasy specialty
bookshop, as Moonstone closed several years ago.  There are some used
book stores that carry a fair amount of SF&F, but they're nothing special.

	Try Barbarian Books in Wheaton Maryland, just outside of
Washington DC.  It is nowhere close to the Forbidden Planet, but it is
the best (that I've found) in the Washington area.  This isn't saying
much.

Chicago isn't on your list of cities but it fit the pattern so I thought
I would suggest The Stars Our Destination.

Hope this helps other visitors

David


-- 
 morgan@socs.uts.edu.au            Ph +61 2 330 1864  Fax +61 2 330 1807 
 David Morgan : University of Technology Sydney PO Box 123 Broadway 2007     
 "Creativity can be a curse.
  Ask Dr Frankenstein." - Calvin Miller
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:18:21 -0500 
From: John Robert Leavitt <jl3j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: New Author Poll Coordinator

Folks-

Since Tom Hyer no longer has posting privileges, I will be taking over the
coordination of the author polls.  They will be in the same format and I
hope things will be run smoothly.  I think we all owe a big thanks to Tom
for starting these polls and for running them as well as he did.  Thanks, Tom.


-John.
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From: "donald simmons" <donald.simmons@canrem.com>
Subject: raymond reviews
Reply-To: "donald simmons" <donald.simmons@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:06:42 EST

     Whatever happened to the Raymond Reviews? Did he lose his net feed,
or doesn't he have the time to read all those books anymore? I always
wondered how he managed.

Donald Simmons
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
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From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Subject: Re: The Wheel of Time Series (spoilers)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:47:46 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT

adrian@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Adrian Allan Jones) writes:

>miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes:
>> cpf@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Courtenay Footman) writes:
>> 
>> >Spoilers!

>> 
>> >In article <1992Nov11.210117.5326@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>> >>mlebrun@bss2.umd.edu (Mike Lebrun):
>> >>>First, Rand and Galad are brothers.  All of the evidence is available, but 
>> >>>scattered through the first four books.  
>> >>
>> >>No.  Rand is Elayne's and Gawyn's cousin on the mother's side:  Morgase
>> >>was closest to the throne when Rand's mother disappeared without leaving
>> >>a daughter.  Galad shares Elayne's and Gawyn's *father*, who is not
>> >>presumed to be closely related to Tigraine.
>> >First, a question:  where is the relation between Morgase and Tigraine
>> >stated?  I have been trying to find this, and failing.
>> 
>> >Second -- Galad's father, Taringil Damodred, was Tigraine's first
>> >husband.  Thus Galad and Rand are half-brothers.
>> 
>> Wrong. Rand's father was an Aiel. Where else would he get his Aiel appearance
>> and be able to go through the Aiel history. It was stated that He Who Comes
>> With The Dawn will be born of a Maiden of the Spear, born of the old blood
>> and raised by the ancient blood, or something like that. 
>> But it is clearly stated Rand's father is an Aiel.
>> 
>Wrong.  I just read this part as Rand was entering Rhudiean(sp).  Rand says
>that his father is Aiel, but one of the Wise Ones (I think Amys) tells him
>that he is wrong and that his mother was an Aiel.

Once again, incorrect. Rand states he thinks his mother was Aiel because she
was a Maiden of the Spear. His mother was a maiden, but not Aiel. His father
was an Aiel and a leader of a clan. Re-read TSR. It sounds as if you may
be confused. I just started re-reading the entire series and I'm finding
alot I hadn't noticed or had forgotten.

Steve
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From: antipope@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (charless@scol.sco.com)
Subject: Anyone got a Spinrad biblio?
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:44:55 GMT

Title says it all, really. I need a bibliography of stuff by
Norman Spinrad; preferably a complete one. No, I can't wait
until I've got my hands on a review copy of the new SF Encyclopaedia;
I need it yesterday.

Can you help?

>>> Charlie

-- 
Antipope -- HE gives you Bull, I give you the Straight ... er ....

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From: jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang)
Subject: Michael Zucker Reichart's _Last Renshai_
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:06:29 GMT


First of all, a recomendation for the first 2 books (The Last Renshai and
The Western Wizard).  Above average fantasy fare (*** out of ****). Some
novel concepts, decent characterizaations and swift plot twists.

Does anyone know what the next book will be called?  Will it be the last
book? When will it be coming out?  

Thanks.
--
Jeff Tang
jefft@athena.mit.edu
From: al@iris.claremont.edu (ere i am, jh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Guy Kay's _Song For Arbonne_:  US release date?
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:50:30 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

Could some kind soul provide me with a close estimate on the US
release date of Guy Gavriel Kay's latest novel?  Also, any non-
spoiled impressions of the novel by lucky Canadians would be much
appreciated.
-- 
Michael L. Medlin  al@iris.claremont.edu
	``The fourth is its fondness for bathing-machines,
		Which it constantly carries about,
	And belives that they add to the beauty of scenes---
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Foundation and Nemesis?
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:56:21 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: cs_d637@ceres (Paul Neve)

In article <1e85iiINNgdk@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>, cs_d637@ceres (Paul Neve) writes:
>Are there any other Asimov fans out there who have any idea whether he
>intended to link Nemesis with the Foundation/Robot/Empire/just about
>everything else series?

He said it was independent.  Someone challenged him to do precisely that.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: What is Deckard (was Re: Are *YOU* Human?)
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:35:34 GMT
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA

In article <1992Nov17.191001.22127@ugle.unit.no> oscar@Lise.Unit.NO (Rune  
Aasgaard) writes:
> In article <1ea0g0INN9er@gap.caltech.edu>, ojvind@chagall.cns.caltech.edu  
(Ojvind Bernander) writes:
> > Spoiler below:
> > 
> > In the recent (last month) release of the "director's cut"
> > director Ridley Scott got it his way:  D is a replicant.
> > The evidence for this was an added scene where D dreams of
> > a unicorn.  In the end, D finds an origami (paper) unicorn
> > on his floor, suggesting not only that the cop had been there
> > and allowed Rachel to live, but also that he knows what
> > D is dreaming, just like D knew about Rachel's dreams.

[stuff deleted]
 
> I hadn't heard about the director's cut until now. It seems I won't be  
missing
> anything if I don't hear any more about it either. Like Ojvind I feel that it
> was a bit cheap to turn him into a replicant. Not necessarily cheap to  
*imply*
> that he's one, but very cheap to spell it out like that. Unfortunately,
> several american movies tend to be that way, spelling every single little  
clue
> out in capital letters, just to make sure that the message has come  
through....

Nobody explicitly mentions that Deckard is an android.

Apart from the added unicorn sequence, the only changes to the Director's Cut
that I noticed was the removal of those annoying voice-overs (worth the ticket
price alone, IMHO), removing the "post-ending" of Rachel and Deckard flying
over a forest, and an extra few seconds spent on Rachel's photograph that
showed its subjects moving slightly (indications that it's a hologram?).  The
origami unicorn at the end was in the original release, as were Gaff's final
words: "It's too bad she won't live  .. but then again who does."

I'd recommend seeing it if you really like the movie and want to see it 
without the %$#&@!@*@!#! voice-overs.  (Like I did.)  Otherwise wait for 
video.


P.S. Perhaps I'm just dense, but one could take the unicorn connection as
symbolism of some sort (I'm not sure what ... freedom?) rather than Gaff's
telling Deckard that he's an android.

Also, Tyrell's explanation of Rachel's memory implants implied that they were
relatively new and experimental; Deckard had been around awhile, as his first
conversation with the police chief (M. Emmett Walsh's character whose name
escapes me) implies.  Both these facts seem inconsistent with Deckard being an
android.  

--
Frank Mitchell,	Business Systems Analyst, First National Bank of Chicago
email:frank@fnbc.com (NeXTmail)

A happy child is merely an unhappy child who is having fun.
-- Morticia Addams
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From: mimir@hardy.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Looking for Steve Perry/Matador fans!Hi!  For those of you who are fans of Perry's Matador books, the
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:03:24 GMT

In article <92324.082443JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET> <JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>most recent in the series just came out.  It's called *Brother Death*
>and the action occurs right after *Black Steel*.  Another highly en-
>tertaining story from Perry, in which he skillfully involves action and
>personnal histories.
> 
>     I haven't seen a lot of discussion about Perry's works here in
>rasfw, which surprises me.  If there are any other Matador fans out
>there, drop me a line and maybe we can get a newsgroup going to talk
>about his books.  If interested, just e-mail or post.  Thanks!

 I've read all of his books and consider _The Man Who Never Missed_ to be
the best action-adventure science fiction I've ever read. The only thing
that comes close, in my opinion, is Barnes' _Streetlethal_ and _Gorgon Child_.

 I guess I qualify. I would be interested in discussing the books.

Wassail,
Al

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From: doom@elaine6.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner)
Subject: Re: Diamond-hard SF
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:45:12


As literary manifestoes go, I thought Szabo's "Diamond-hard
SF" was a pretty good job.  It was very extreme, with lots
of ringing phrases expressing disgust at the conventional,
and so on... of course it probably doesn't hurt that I have
some prejudices going in the same direction as his.  And
maybe there aren't very many examples of it in existence, but
this isn't a serious flaw for a real manifesto, but rather a
challenge to the creative. 
	
By the way, I can't seem to find the place where he claims
that SF should have *nothing* in common with conventional
fiction.  I suspect you're misreading him, but I'm sure
you'll be hearing more about that from him.

I would have thought that this one concrete example
would've made it clear what he was talking about: 

    For example: a poetic description of weird, original
    psychoactive effects of a genetically engineered
    aphrodisiac would be quite interesting.  The mere
    unaugmented desire of character X to take character Y
    to bed I could read about in other genres, or live
    out in real life myself for that matter, which is
    quite preferable to the fiction.

So tell me, all of you folks who told him to give up and go
to the engineering library, do you really think there's no
point in trying to write fiction exclusively focused on
human beings creating and reacting to the fundamentally new?
And isn't it *different* if the fundamentally new thing is
also fundamentally possible, a thing you might want to
work for or against?  

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From: ott@ansoft.com (nancy ott)
Subject: Re: Ecologies Wanted
Organization: Ansoft Corp. Pittsburgh
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:15:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.141235.15238@HAN.Paramax.COM> 
tom@HAN.Paramax.COM (Tom Jewell) writes:
>I'm looking for titles of books that have detailed non-Earth
>ecologies. David Gerrold's "War Against the Chthor" series
>has quite a detailed one, including bugs, scavengers,
>herbivores, carnivores, etc.
>
>Can anyone recommend another source where a complete
>ecosystem is described?
>
>What I'm NOT looking for is "this planet had a cool monster"
>(or whatever), I'm looking for a whole system.
>
>Thanks in Advance,
>
>Tom Jewell
>tom@han.paramax.com

Try "The Door Into Ocean" by Joan Slonczewski (sp?), "Grass" by Sheri
Tepper, and "Startide Rising" by David Brin.  Slonczewski also wrote
another ecology-oriented book about Quakers adapting to a new planet,
but I can't remember its name.

- nancy

My signature file is on strike.
 
-- 
-nancy

"Malcolm X-Windows -- a graphical interface for users of color."

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From: dsanders@alexandria.lib.utah.edu (David Sanderson)
Subject: Re: Source for Card's original Ender's Game
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:40:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.131319.22656@bnr.uk> agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes:
>From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
>Subject: Re: Source for Card's original Ender's Game
>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:13:19 GMT
>In article <92322.163100ROMAN@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>, <ROMAN@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> writes:
>|> Could someone please provide me with the source for original
>|> "Ender's Game" story by Orson Scott Card?  I'd like to track
>|> down the original magazine issue(s) and would like the name of
>|> the magazine, year and issue number.  -- Roman Olynyk
>
>The novel (which I have just bought) opens:
>
>   Acknowledgments
>   
>   Portions of this book were recounted in my first published science fiction
>   story, "Ender's Game", in the August 1977 Analog, edited by Ben Bova; his
>   faith in me and this  story are the foundation of my career...
>
>I distinctly remember reading the story, a mere 15 years ago. It certainly
>sticks in the mind!
>
>   Alan
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>To arrive at the simplest truth, as Newton knew and practised, requires years
>of contemplation. Not activity. Not reasoning. Not calculating. Not busy 
>behaviour of any kind. Not reading. Not talking. Not making an effort. Simply 
>bearing in mind what it is one needs to know.
>
>   George Spencer-Brown, Laws of Form
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yes, the original short story was published in the August 1977 Analog.  
For a more recent, and probably easier to find, printing try Cards _Maps in 
the Mirror: The Short Fiction of OSC_ hardback edition.  I believe that the 
last section of the book, containing _Ender's Game_ (the short),was left out 
of the double paperback edition.                                   

    Dave
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Human Computers in SF--Help!
Date: 16 Nov 1992 00:49:53 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
NNTP-Posting-Host: mamba.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1e6nimINNbja@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> stong@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Simon Tong) writes:
|
|_Emerald Eyes_ and _The Long Run_ by Daniel Keys Moran.
|The sequel, _The Last Dancer_, is due out next Fall.
|
|Great SF, a must read.
|
|It's not so much the computer itself that is communicative, but
|rather what Moran calls "images".  They are "application programs"
|that help the human user to navigate in cyberspace. Images use
|natural language and have some sort of personality.

Yup; Moran actually seems to have some kind of a clue about the
way computer systems work.

Dunno where he got it, but there you go.

c
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From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Diamond-hard SF
Date: 21 Nov 1992 18:41:50 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cobra.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov21.172005.13480@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> apace@mta.ca writes:
>In article <1ekeshINNbag@agate.berkeley.edu>, curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>>[Lots of stuff about all kinds of things deleted in the interests of space.]
>>Why?  Because they're _simplistic_.  
>>
>>I can summarize Gibsonism in a few sentences.  Same for
>>Gernsbackism.  Shit, I think I could do Libertarianism in one.
>>They're _cliches_, for god's sake!  Is anyone really fool
>>enough to believe that the world is, has ever been, will ever
>>be, that simple?  
>>
>>Me I like my world complex.  Juicy.  Alive.  And that takes
>>more than ideology - that takes _imagination_.
>>
>You know, a metaphor doesn't have to be 100% accurate to be useful.

Useful?

Too much amateur scalp-stretching, Tony my man, and that beret of
yours will _pop right off_.  Don't say I didn't warn you.

After all, we're not exactly talking about industrial chemistry here.
Hell, we're not even yammering loud enough to be sociologists.
Nope, this here is _fiction_.  Greasy fiction.  Low-rent fiction.
Acid-paper fiction.  Surrounded on three sides by nekkid women,
camel-spit bindings, and exclamation points.  Available for under
$5 in an opium den near you.

Maybe Gibsonism _is_ useful.  For something besides wrapping fish.
But do I give the proverbial fuck?  I do not.  All I care is what
kind of fiction it makes.  And if it don't measure up, bag it.

Now, dogma is not entertaining.  Dogma has never been entertaining.
Dogma never will be entertaining.  

And the purpose of fiction is to - one way or another - entertain.

Have I made myself clear?

c
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From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
Subject: Re: Blood Music Question (was Re: The best sf story ever)
Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:23:11 GMT

In article <168A5150BB.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
|>    Being a poor little econ major, I want some information from all you
|> theoretical physicists out there.  In the novel _Blood Music_ (which I enjoyed
|> immensely, by the way), the physics of Informational Mechanics played a major
|> part in the ending.  Bear did a fairly good job of explaining it (IMHO as a
|> scientific illiterate,) so I think I get, at least the idea behind it at the
|> simplest level.
|>    The question I want to ask is:
|>      Is this for real?
|>      i.e. is it (somewhat) widely accepted?  Is it theoretically possible, or
|> is it another example of technobabble based on Schrondiger's Cat?  If it IS
|> possible, does the physics community take it seriously?
|>    Obviously, a full essay is not necessary (I probably won't be able to
|> understand it), but can somebody e-mail a short note giving some flavor of
|> how much of this stuff is taken seriously?

Yes, I got a little into this some years ago. As far as I know, IM first 
appeared in the book Information Mechanics, by F. W. Kantor, published 
(I think) by Wiley (it had the JW logo that my copy of 'Writing A UNIX 
Device Driver' has), sometime late 1970s. The start of his argument, and 
the concluding questions and proposed experiments are really fascinating, 
but the maths got too hairy for this hacker deep within.

His argument is to do with the idea that information, rather than any other 
physical quantity, is fundamental, and that the physics that we normally see
as fundamental can be derived from the rules he sets forward to count 
information. For instance, he imagines modelling all particles as little 
boxes with a pair of photons inside. By arranging for the photons to be
dopplered relative to the box, and opening and shutting boxes inside other
boxes, he equates conservation of energy and conservation of information.

I don't think the problem that Bear's oocytes pose; having too many little
observers stressing reality, is addressed in the book, but that too is a 
little outlandish. I have heard people discussing the book in a puzzled
but not necessarily dismissive manner. 

Does anyone know more?

   Alan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
To arrive at the simplest truth, as Newton knew and practised, requires years
of contemplation. Not activity. Not reasoning. Not calculating. Not busy 
behaviour of any kind. Not reading. Not talking. Not making an effort. Simply 
bearing in mind what it is one needs to know.

   George Spencer-Brown, Laws of Form
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Gregory Benford
Date: 24 Nov 92 03:35:10 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Cc: eabu202@orion.oac.uci.edu, minsky

In article <2B1158C4.14047@news.service.uci.edu> eabu202@orion.oac.uci.edu (Virany Margaret Kreng) writes:
>I'm just curious.  Are there any Gregory Benford fans out there?  Or
>anyone who's at least read his books?  I was just interested to see
>if he's a real big name in SF books or whatever.  Thanx.  Cool guy.
>Great professor.

Wow, yes.  He is indeed a "big name".  Arthur C. Clarke chose him to
write the sequel to "Against the Fall of Night".  Personally, I find
him to be as full of good new ideas as anyone I've ever met -- and for
explaining plasma physics, better.
From: kali@ACCESS.DIGEX.COM (Kali Tal)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: SF-LOVERS Digest   V17 #613
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:16:13 GMT


How do I get off this list?

Kali Tal
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: SF for kids and teens?
Organization: Smiley Abolition Front
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:24:39 GMT

In article <"23-Nov-92.9:01:04".*.Sandra_M_Lowe.HENR801B@Xerox.com> Sandra_M_Lowe.Henr801B@XEROX.COM writes:
>I have searched my bibliographies and lists and have surprised myself that I
>don`t have a list of SF for kids and teens, or any books in my lists designated
>as juvenile.  So what I would like is a list of reccommendations for books for
>the very young and for teens.  Please feel free to include some brief comments
>about why you reccommend any given book.

A lot of early Heinlein is aimed at adolescent boys, though it
holds up very well to adult reading. Look into "Tunnel in the
Sky", "Starship Troopers", "Citizen of the Galaxy", "Red Planet".
Of course, the kids'll get a lot of Heinlein philosophy, so use
caution...

If you're open to fantasy as well as science-fiction, I'd suggest
Le Guin's "Earthsea Trilogy": _A_Wizard_of_Earthsea_, _The_Tombs_
_of_Atuan, and _The Farthest_Shore_. (The fourth book didn't
measure up, IMPO.)
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"When angry, count four. When very angry, swear."
                --Mark Twain
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