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From: draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Yu
Date: 22 Jul 1992 23:36:11 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

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RTw  07/21 1648  REFUGEE CONVOY TAKES SERBS BACK TO CROATIA, BOSNIA
    By Gorana Kukic
    BELGRADE, July 21, Reuter - A  convoy of 40 buses left Belgrade on Tuesday
carrying 2,000 Serbs back to the homes they fled in Bosnia and Croatia when the
former Yugoslav republics erupted in ethnic war.
    Carrying mostly women, children and old men, the convoy highlighted the
plight of innocent victims of all ethnic groups caught in areas that turned into
battlezones after the Yugoslav federation of six republics splintered into
separate parts.
    "I am returning to ashes. I watched my house burning. It was on October 9. I
will never forget that sight," said Jovan Zivkovic from a village in northern
Croatia , his voice breaking, tears in his eyes.
    Like other displaced persons in the convoy, 60-year-old Zivkovic has been
clamouring to return.
    "People were coming to us and begging for help. They wanted to go back
home," a Yugoslav Red Cross official said.
    The Yugoslav Red Cross, together with Serbia's authorities, has already
organised four convoys taking people to Banja Luka, in Bosnia-Herzegovina and
Knin and Glina, towns in Serb-held regions of Croatia.
    "We have been away for 10 months now. We are going back. I fled with my
daughter-in-law and three grandchildren. My son was wounded in fighting. He is
returning with us too," said Nada, a 67-year-old woman from Vrhovine, near Knin.
    "I feel like being born again. I am happy but wish to cry at the same time.
I had to leave, because I was scared for my three-month-old son," said Nada's
daughter-in-law, 38.
    "If everything starts again, I will just send my children away, but I will
stay and fight. I am not going to run away."
    According to the Serbian Red Cross there are more than 380,000 refugees
registered in Serbia, 80,000 of them children aged between one and 15 years.
    "I've never thought this (ethnic war) would happen. We used to live like
good neighbours. I do not hate Croats. I feel sorry for all those innocent
people. We should all cool down and begin to live a normal life together," said
one refugee.
    Some were not so optimistic about living with Croats together in peace
again.
    "I will teach my children not to trust them (Croats), as I did," said one.
    "I wake up every night shivering. And I see my houses burning again,"
Zivkovic said." I am going home, even if I have to sleep outdoors."
    The office of the High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), the U.N.'s main
refugee agency,  has reported a total of 2.4 million people driven from their
homes in the fighting that followed the break-up of the former Yugoslav state.
    The UNHCR has called a one-day conference in Geneva on July 29 to discuss
how the world can handle what it describes as the worst refugee crisis in Europe
since World War Two.
From: raghu@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: want to visit London, UK.  need your suggestions
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:19:42 GMT
Organization: NIST

hello:
I want to spend a week sightseeing in London and nearabouts 
on my way to India this September.  
I will be going with my wife and our 23 month old.  

your suggestions on what all sights are worth seeing, 
would one week be too little time or too much time, 
how expensive/easy is it to visit Paris/France,
any other nearby places,
where to stay inexpensively in London,
what places are to be avoided (the bad neighborhoods),
what are the visa requirements 
(My wife and I are citizens of India and permanent residents of usa, and our 
daughter is a citizen of usa),

and anything along those lines from your experiences that would be 
helpful to know.  
"Depends" is a very popular answer often, but hardly a useful one.  

Like most tourists our objectives are to see the most for the least amount 
of money and enjoy all of the trip without any mishaps.  

After this trip we would basically to say we have seen enough of London 
and next time let us go to Moscow, maybe.  

Anyone who is reading this mail sitting in London, would you consider 
paying guests, know anyone who would, know how I may find out?

thanks and you bet I will summarize if anyone of want me too.  

raghu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: Jonny Axelsson <jonnya@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: Origins of the EC-flag???
        GMT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:42:51 GMT
Originator: jonnya@rist.ifi.uio.no

Petteri Numminen (tipenu@uta.fi) asks:
> Who designed the EC-flag. The blue one with 12 stars in the middle, you know.
> It is rapidly developing into THE icon of European Community. 
> 
> And what will happen, if there is going to be more members in the EC? More
> stars, so that the flag will finally look like USA's stars and stripes, but 
> without the stripes?

(From Council of Europe propaganda filtered through memory)

The EC flag is stolen from the Council of Europe who designed this
flag long before swiped by some EC committee. I don't remember who
actually designed the flag, but I can find out.

I gather the Council was a bit unhappy about the theft, since it is
hard enough as is to maintain a separate presence from EC; they are quite
empathic about that they are a totally separate institution. It is
older than the EC too, and have almost all European countries as
members. 

The twelve stars are not meant to symbolize any particular country
(remember that the Council has a lot more than 12 members), but
"perfection". So, if the EU keeps the symbolism, they won't change the
design, unless they see a EU with more or less than 12 members as
something less than perfect.

Jonny
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 19:42:49 EDT
From: <IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: What a surprise. Out of 174 articles in s.c.e., only 72 by Mutlu.

Is he sleeping?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: astefani@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Stefanidis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: RE: Skopjians in hte Olympics[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dth[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:51:03 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

A certain "Mr. Dimsoski" wrote in a recent message (ID numbers included for
verification):

>From: pdimsosk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pero Dimsoski)
>Subject: Re: Macedonian athletes to compete at Barcelona, Spain.
>Message-ID: <1992Jul22.154948.2850@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>References: <1992Jul21.120047.11293@ucc.su.OZ.AU> 
><rsakella.711748227@p4.cs.man.ac.uk>
>Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:49:48 GMT
>In article <rsakella.711748227@p4.cs.man.ac.uk> rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk
>(Rizos Sakellariou) writes:
> >You can be sure of one thing :
> >Slavik Macedonians from Greece and Macedonians from all over the world
> >will be with Macedonians athlets.
>
>  GOOD LUCK TO MACEDONIAN OLIMPIC TEAM!!!

Everybody knows that falsification is your national passtime but this time you
also proved that stupidity is your national virtue! The original message of
Mr. Sakellariou, to which you supposedly "reply" by falsifying its content
(as only a true Skopjian would do) states:

* You can be sure of one thing:
* Macedonians from Greece and Greek Macedonians from all over the world
* will be with the Greek athletes.

By altering the contents of a message to which you refer, you not only violate
network rules but you also try to insult our intelligence, proving beyond
doubt that whatever Skopjians say cannot be trusted, even when it comes to
simple matters as network discussions and message replies. I won't take any
action for your misconduct this time (since I don't believe in such means) but
try to avoid similar behavior in the future because others might not be of the 
same patience as myself.

(I would like to apologize from the rest of the rec.sport.olympics readers for
deviating from the olympic topics in my reply but propaganda against one's
country with dirty lies and below the belt hits cannot be left unanswered).

Good luck to all the athletes participating in the Olympics, Greeks, Americans,
Slavs from Skopjie and everybody else!

Anthony Stefanidis
Ohio State
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: What a surprise. Out of 174 articles in s.c.e., only 72 by Mutlu.
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:11:34 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

From article <92205.194249IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, by IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU:
> Is he sleeping?
 
Shh!!! Let's keep it that way
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: cmt11@eng.cam.ac.uk (C. M. Tuerk - MPhil)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Skopjians in hte Olympics[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dth[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:09:16 GMT
Organization: Cambridge University Engineering Department, UK

Please, can we avoid sweeping generalizations such as that of 

>Anthony Stefanidis write
>Everyone knows that falsification is your national pastime
and
>proving beyond doubt that whatever Skopjians say cannot be trusted

Talk about painting a whole group of people with one brush based on the
actions of a single person.  Sheez... Can't you take your nationalistic
differences elsewhere?

Can we get off the nationalistic soapboxes and get back to the real subject -
the Olympics!

Chris
From: ams@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Recalling In Sorrow The Silent Memory Of 204,000 Azeris.
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:41:40 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Jul22.164604.5263@ddsw1.mcs.com>, hbm@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Hasan B. Mutlu) writes:
> 
> 
> 
>            FUNERALS IN BAKU
> 
>            BAKU, 03/03/92, TURAN:  TODAY IN BAKU IN THE ALLEY OF
>        MARTYRS THERE HAVE TAKEN PLACE FUNERAL OF THE CHILDREN MURDERED
>        DURING THE ARMENIAN ASSAULT OF KHOJALY IN NAGORNY KARABAKH.
>        THE CHILDREN WERE AMONG LOCAL PEOPLE WHO TRYING TO BREAK
>        OUT OF ENEMY'S ENCIRCLEMENT, FOUND THEMSELVES IN AN AMBUSH
>        OF ARMENIAN FIGHTERS NEAR THE VILLAGE NAKHICHEVANIK AND WERE
>        FIRED POINT-BLANK.--0--
> 
> 
>         The Age...Melbourne...6/3/92
> 
>         By Helen WOMACK  .... Agdam, Azerbaijan, Thursday
> 
>    [Australian news item deleted - What is "The Age" anyway?] 
> 

Hang on a moment -- isn't this a repeat of one we had a few weeks ago? The
subject line certainly looks rather familiar.

Is this a reply to some post that I missed, or are we to assume that Mr. Mutlu 
thinks that killing children is a cultural activity, of the sort for which
soc.culture.europe was set up?


Michael.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: gros@sunra6.cern.ch (Jean-Philippe Gros)
Subject: Re: Origins of the EC-flag???
Reply-To: gros@sunra6.cern.ch
Organization: Cern, European Organization for Particle Physics.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:17:40 GMT

In article 92Jul29001942@terra.fct.unl.pt, smd@fct.unl.pt (Sergio Marco Duarte) writes:
>
> Jonny Axelsson <jonnya@ifi.uio.no> writes:
>
>>   (From Council of Europe propaganda filtered through memory)>
>>
>>   The EC flag is stolen from the Council of Europe who designed this
>>   flag long before swiped by some EC committee. I don't remember who
>>   actually designed the flag, but I can find out.>
>>
>>   I gather the Council was a bit unhappy about the theft, since it is
>>   hard enough as is to maintain a separate presence from EC; they are quite
>>   empathic about that they are a totally separate institution. It is
>>   older than the EC too, and have almost all European countries as
>>   members. 
>
>>   The twelve stars are not meant to symbolize any particular country
>>   (remember that the Council has a lot more than 12 members), but
>>   "perfection". 
>
>    I believe there was/is a star for each country, that's why when
>    Portugal and Spain joined the EC, two more stars were added making the
>    grand total of 12. 
>    But I also remember reading somewhere that there won't be any more
>    stars, even  if/when  more countries join the EC.

   I'm sorry to say that I think the previous poster is rigth : the "european" flag
has never had 10 stars (nor 9, nor...). I perfectly remember that this flag was
already in use in the seventies, when the EC members were only 9. 
   This flag was seen in France as one entered a city (or village!!), with the
caption "Commune d'Europe" (City of Europe).



>    So, Sweden,  Austria, Switzerland and Finland, 
>
>    HANDS OFF!, one is ours (portuguese, I mean) :-)
>

   Maybe is the danish star for sale!?!?!?!?

   Make your price!!!


> Sergio Duarte  *** smd@fct.unl.pt *** FCT/UNL *** PORTUGAL


Regards.

Jean-Philippe.
 
 
 
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| peut-etre moins peinards.                                    B.Vian   |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy)
Subject: Weekly mutlu Index delayed, but HALF-MEGABYTER (tm) expected!
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:52:44 GMT



There will be a technical delay in the Weekly mutlu Index.

The reason is that mumu has switched to new breeding grounds
where the time stamp is sometimes expressed in GMT, sometimes
in EDT, and the devil knows what else. 

But just a sneak preview of what's coming: counting only 
messages time-stamped GMT, the biomass of mutlu hatchlings
for the past week (ended Sunday 19 July) amounted to a

  ***  MIND-BOGGLING  315,686 BYTES ***

in no less than 68 (SIXTY-EIGHT!) furry bundles of truth!

Yes folks, when we polish up this Mad Turk watching software,
you'll discover that mama mumu has been laying more than 
TEN lovely wriggly furry bundles of joy a day.

Preparing for the Olympics?
 

... and mumu's sponsor, the famous Carl Derringer, will 
be visiting the offices of Mad Turk Watcher Software soon.
Watch out for a full report of the portentous visit!
From: ramstack_m@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Les Rapports franco-americain
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:56:33 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Bonjour a tout le monde!

Je m'appelle Matt Ramstack. Je suis americain et j'etudie a l'Universite du
Colorado a Boulder.  J'ai vingt ans et je commencerai ma troisieme annee cet
automne.  J'etudie l'anglais et le francais. J'etudiais le francais depuis 4
ans et j'ai voyage en France en 1989.  J'y etais pendant le celebration de le
bicentennaire de la Revolution Francaise.  La culture francaise m'interesse
beaucoup et je voudrais communiquer avec des Francais ou quelqu'un qui vient
d'un pays francophone.  Il est possible que j'etudie en France a l'Universite
de Rennes (Bretagne) pendant le printemps de 1993.  Si vous connaissez
quelqu'un la, ou si vous etes un(e) etudiant(e), m'ecrivez s'il vous plait. 
 Vous pouvez me contacter a:

ramstack@ucsu.colorado.edu (unix)
ou
ramstack_m@cubldr.colorado.edu (bitnet)

J'espere de recevoir beaucup de lettres.  Merci a tous!

Matt Ramstack
From: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com (Vijay Joglekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: CFV: alt.us.visas
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:38:52 GMT
Reply-To: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM (Aix Tools Development)

How about creating a group called alt.us.visas.  By the addition of this 
group we could help folks mostly interested in visa information from any 
country to get that information easily.  A FAQ will also be helpful. 
This will moderate many of the soc groups. 


**********************************************************************
               Vijay Joglekar - arbiter elagantiarum
 Disclaimer: These are my opinions and my opinions only. Has nothing
                      to do with where I work.
            Littera scripta manet: Credo quia absurdum
**********************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: seifert@netcom.com (Rich Seifert)
Subject: Re: Hungarian equivalents/translations of English words
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:39:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ny
Summary: Here you go..

In article <1992Jul26.212052.26711@philabs.philips.com>, mlc@philabs.philips.com (Mahesh L. Chugani) writes:
> I know a Hungarian family from Budapest quite well, and would like 
> to know the Hungarian equivalents of the following, so that I
> can surprise them sometimes:-
> 
> 	1) How are you?
Hogy vannak? (pronounced Hod-jeh Von-nock)
> 	2) Thanks a lot.
Koszonom szepen. (pronounced Cuss-in-num Say-pen)
> 	3) Please.
Kerem. (just like it looks)
> 	4) Good-bye.
Viszont latasra (pronounced Vee-sont Lah-tash-ra) 
would be used as "See you later"
Bucsuzom (pronounced Boo-choo-zum) would be the closing of a letter.
> 	5) Hello.
Szia! (pronounced See-ya; yeah, it sounds like the reverse of hello!)
> 	6) Happy Birthday!!
Boldog szuletesnapot! (pronounced Bull-dog Soo-leh-taysh-na-put
> 	7) Best Wishes.
Minden jot kivanok. (pronounced Meen-dan Yoh-t Kee-van-uk)
> 	8) Good Luck.
Sok szerencset! (pronounced Shoh-k Seh-ren-chet)
> 	9) Congratulations!!!
Gratulalok! (pronounced Grah-too-lah-lohk)
> 

Sok Szerencset!
> 


-- 
Rich Seifert                    Networks and Communications Consulting
seifert@netcom.com              (408) 996-0922
                                (408) 996-2860 FAX
"... specialists in Local Area Networks and Data Communications systems"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: umcsiki@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Csiki)
Subject: Tobb viccek
Followup-To: my last viccek posting
Summary: viccek
Keywords: viccek
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:55:37 GMT


VICCEK
~~~~~~
SZORGALMAS GYEREK
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-- Kisfiam, ma nem mesz a jatszoterre?
-- Nem.  Segitek apunak megoldani a szamtanleckemet.

CSODALATOS TERMESZET
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
-- Anyu, a zsirafnak miert van olyan hosszu nyaka?
-- Hogy elerje a fak koronajat.
-- Anyu, es miert van a fanak olyan hosszu torzse?
-- Hogy a zsirafnak ne kelljen lehajolnia, ha
   falevelet akar enni!

BUNTETES
~~~~~~~~
-- Uram, allitja le a jaror az autost, otszaz
   forintot kerek, mert tullepte a hatvanat.
-- Mi a fene?  Most mar a koraert is megbuntetik az embert?

POTCICA
~~~~~~~
-- Uram, rettenetesen sajnalom, de elutottem a macskajat.
   Szeretnem valahogy jovatenni a dolgot.
-- Rendbe van, uram.  De tud on egeret fogni?

A NYAKKENDO
~~~~~~~~~~~
Ket vigec a kavehazban:
-- Micsoda rettenetes nyakkendot vettel fel.  Hiszen ez
   a voros csak ugy ordit.
-- Nem tehetek rola.  A nagynenemtol kaptam, aki suket
   szegeny.

NAGY CSALAD
~~~~~~~~~~~
-- Olyan nagy a csaladod?  Hany gyereked van?
-- Nyolcvankilenc volt.
-- Az lehetetlen!
-- Dehogy lehetetlen.  Nyolc van, kilenc volt.

:)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                        Michael J. Csiki
Internet: umcsiki@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu      Bitnet: umcsiki@ecnuxa.bitnet
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: al045@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gergely Tapolyai)
Subject: Re: And the Serbian-Hungarian treatment of the Jews!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 20:34:52 GMT


Ka'r hogy ti nem tudjatok hogy nemtudja a vilag,   hogy 
Romaniaban 1936-ban, mar zsido uldozes volt, tub mint  28,000 
zsidot kivegeztek, a kosher husboltok hus kapoira akastottak 
oket. Meg eloztek Hitlert.
Eszt fegykeppekkel, es irasban bizonyitjak roman iratok.
--
Too bad that the wold doesn't know that in Romania in 1936, 
the jewish genecide allready started.  They executed more than
28,000 jews, and hung them in the kosher jewish butchers' shop
on meat hooks.  This is documented with photos, and writings in
official papers in Romania.

-- 
TAPOLYAI, Gergely                al045@cleveland.freenet.edu
                                 Cleveland, Ohio U.S.A.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar,soc.culture.europe,news.answers
From: josephn@sco.COM (Joseph Nagy)
Subject: Hungarian Clubs
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:39:17 GMT



Just moved to Bay Area (Actually Santa Cruz) and was wondering if there
are any Hungarian Social Clubs.  Going through the Santa Cruz county
Phone book I can't even find a Hungarian Restaurant much less any 
indication of anything else.....


 
Thanks...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: josephn@sco.COM (Joseph Nagy)
Subject: Hungarian Social Clubs
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:49:49 GMT



Just moved to Bay Area (Actually Santa Cruz) and was wondering if there
are any Hungarian Social Clubs.  Going through the Santa Cruz county
Phone book I can't even find a Hungarian Restaurant much less any 
indication of anything else.....


 
Thanks...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: mlc@philabs.philips.com (Mahesh L. Chugani)
Subject: Hungarian equivalents/translations of English words
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Distribution: ny
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:20:52 GMT

I know a Hungarian family from Budapest quite well, and would like 
to know the Hungarian equivalents of the following, so that I
can surprise them sometimes:-

	1) How are you?
	2) Thanks a lot.
	3) Please.
	4) Good-bye.
	5) Hello.
	6) Happy Birthday!!
	7) Best Wishes.
	8) Good Luck.
	9) Congratulations!!!

If you reply via e-mail, please send it to
	chugani@ecse.rpi.edu

I don't have access to any English-Hungarian dictionary, so would
really appreciate any help which can be provided, either by translating
the above, or letting me know where I can find the answers.

 Thanks a lot!!!

--Mahesh Chugani, Graduate Student 
  Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY 12180

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.asean