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From: mcmill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Itchy Skin
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:03:56 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


  Hello,
  Recently someone or another posted about problems with itchy skin.  Having
been on swim teams since I was knee high to a grasshopper I am familiar with
the problem.  Being a chemist maybe I can clue you in on another aspect of the
problem.  
  The problem may not be in the pool.  The problem could be in the products
that you choose to use for personal hygiene.  In the rush to create products
that smell better, look better, work better, and sell better the companies that
make these wonderful shampoos, soaps, deodorents, and etc.. are putting in a
few more things than just laural sulfate. (laural sulfate is the detergent that
actually does the cleaning part in the soaps and shampoos that you buy)  There
are perfumes, dyes, inks, musks, and etc, etc... in there as well.  It has been
my experience that washing with these products about once or so per day really
doesn't hurt that much.  Try washing with these products 2 or 3 times per day
on top of the harsh treatment that your skin gets from the chlorine in the pool
and you might have a problem.
  The solution that I came up with for this problem is to use a very mild soap. 
I use glycerine soap.  I use a kind that has no colors or perfumes.  This stuff
is so mild that it doesn't even hurt to get it into your eyes.  You can even
wash your hair in it.  It does a good job cleaning.  One bar lasts me for one
week when I swim. (when I swim I end up showering about 3 or 4 times daily. 
This soap dissolves well in water and consequently rinses well even in soft
water.)
  You can find this stuff at Wal Mart or K mart for about a quarter per bar.
  Just my two cents worth.

	C. Miller
From: brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Email Swim Meet (ESM)
Keywords: swim
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:50:42 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.



I received about a dozen repsonses regarding the Email Swim Meet
(ESM), all positive, but obviously with different "visions" of
just what it should be. So here are some thoughts as to what it
should be (some are mine, some I recevied email, some have been
posted)

(PLEASE POST ANY COMMENTS/IDEAS/SUGGESTIONS TO THE NEWSGROUP!
I love email, but for this idea to fly, there has to be a lot
of interaction and consensus building. So post instead of email.)

The "event(s)" should be:

Something not commonly swum.

Doable in a typical workout time or maybe slightly longer.

Candidate event(s) include (please post your nomination):

Ultra Distance Swims (5K, 1 Hour, etc)

Challenging Combinations:
   Animal Meet Format:  200 BF, 400 IM, 1650 FR
   USMS Super Set: (10 x 100 @ a "defined" interval
   Sprint Meet (ala OMS): 20 x 50 @ 1:30 interval

Please post your suggestion/comments!

Thanks

Bruce Cheney
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: SETS SETS SET (was Re Email swim meet)
From: rule@kenyon.edu
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:11:20 -0500
Organization: Kenyon College

In article <1556@tekgen.bv.tek.com>, brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney) writes:
> I received about a dozen repsonses regarding the Email Swim Meet
> (ESM), all positive, but obviously with different "visions" of
> just what it should be. So here are some thoughts as to what it
> should be (some are mine, some I recevied email, some have been
> posted)
> 
> (PLEASE POST ANY COMMENTS/IDEAS/SUGGESTIONS TO THE NEWSGROUP!
> I love email, but for this idea to fly, there has to be a lot
> of interaction and consensus building. So post instead of email.)
> 
> The "event(s)" should be:
> 
> Something not commonly swum.
> 
> Doable in a typical workout time or maybe slightly longer.
> 
> Candidate event(s) include (please post your nomination):
> 
> Ultra Distance Swims (5K, 1 Hour, etc)
> 
> Challenging Combinations:
>    Animal Meet Format:  200 BF, 400 IM, 1650 FR
>    USMS Super Set: (10 x 100 @ a "defined" interval
>    Sprint Meet (ala OMS): 20 x 50 @ 1:30 interval
> 
> Please post your suggestion/comments!
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Bruce Cheney

O.k. how about these:   (Might have to change the interval...)

40 x 50 on :45 every other one timed.  Broken at 20 with a 200 swim easy.

3000 for time.  Period.

An in the pool triathalon in which you do the following:
500 tube pull
500 fin kick
500 swim

For you distance studs:
40 x 100's 500 pace on 1:10 

4 sets of 8 x 25 1/2 pool underwater, 1/2  pool sprint on :25

The animal kick set:
10 x 100's fastest interval you can hold for best average.
ummm anywhere from 1:10-1:30

1000 timed kick

The "all balls" sets: (sorry if offensive, but our coach gave these sets their
name)...

10 x 100 on 1:05

10 x 50 on :30

10 x 25 on :20

Rested sets:

5-10 x 50 on 2:00

5-10 x 25 on 1:00

4 x 200 broken at each 50 for :15


Bruce I have all stats on most of these swims dating back to oh early
80's.  You could compare them to our top stats here.  For example, on the 3 x
500 in the pool triatholon, I have the top 40 on our team SC and the top 43 LC. 
If you want, I could compare posted times to these times already done by
swimmers now and in the past.

John
From: caroline@topaz.Stanford.EDU (Caroline Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re:  Email Swim Meet
Date: 22 Nov 1992 21:44:17 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.stanford.edu

In article <9211201540.AA00754@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov> jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker) writes:
>
>Here's my proposal:
>	Events:  Freestyle:  75, 150, and 600 yards.
>	Stroke:  75 and 150 yards.
>	I.M.:  300 and 600 (the 600 is for the crunchers).

I like this idea of an email swim meet, but I am currently trying to
recover from tendonitis in the shoulder. Could we throw in an event
for lame gimps like me, such as 100 y one arm, any stroke, with fins?

>
>All events will be swum during the week of February 7-13, 1993, and reported
>to the compiler by Tuesday, February 16, 3:00 P.M. Eastern and 12 Noon,
>Pacific Standard Time.
>
I realize this is an impractical request since we'll never satisfy
everyone, but I'd much prefer to have the events swum two weeks later
since my birthday is in mid Feb and I age up into a new age group -
then I wouldn't be competing against Julie Paque who ages up
couple of months later (and who has historically swum infinitely 
faster than me in every event)!

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

--
Caroline Lambert  		caroline@stp.Stanford.EDU
Seismic Tomography Project      
Department of Geophysics, Stanford University
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: SETS SETS SET (was Re Email swim meet)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:57:53 GMT

In article <osterber.722102914@husc8>, osterber@husc8.harvard.edu (Richard Osterberg) writes:
|> rule@kenyon.edu writes:
|> 
|> >3000 for time.  Period.
|> 
|> Houw about 5000 for time... long course.
|> 
|> >The "all balls" sets: (sorry if offensive, but our coach gave these sets their
|> >name)...
|> 
|> >10 x 100 on 1:05
|> 
|> Naw... that's boring. Do 20 x 100 @ 1:00.
|> 
|> -rick


(Carrying it one step further)

How about Tracy Caulkins' 100x100 on 1:00?

How about Dave Wharton's 24 hours of 8x(2x(4000m/hour), hour rest) for
64,000m long course?  How about his 16,000m IM long course (just think about
it!)?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Email Swim Meet (ESM)
Keywords: swim
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:44:09 GMT

brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney) writes:

>Please note that this last criteria does NOT keep the event from being
>physically challenging for everyone. Here in Oregon, we have had 80 year
>olds compete in and finish the Animal Meet ( 200 BF; 400 IM; 1650 FR).

Wow! I hope I can do that when I'm 80. At least I have many
years to build up to that level :)

-Larry Watanabe
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: jgacker@news.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker)
Subject: Re: Email Swim Meet
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:08:21 GMT

Caroline Lambert (caroline@topaz.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: In article <9211201540.AA00754@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov> jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker) writes:
: >
: >Here's my proposal:
: >	Events:  Freestyle:  75, 150, and 600 yards.
: >	Stroke:  75 and 150 yards.
: >	I.M.:  300 and 600 (the 600 is for the crunchers).
: 
: I like this idea of an email swim meet, but I am currently trying to
: recover from tendonitis in the shoulder. Could we throw in an event
: for lame gimps like me, such as 100 y one arm, any stroke, with fins?

	If you're serious, sure.  We'll call it the "lame gimp" event.
(Seriously, a team I swam with in Reston, Virginia has a very dedicated,
personable, swimmer who is an amputee, and swims with a fin to balance
the intact leg.  I would have no objection to a "special category" of
events, and all results would be posted, but I would maintain the
core events as suggested.  The above is suggested to provide a meet
framework with events other than "traditional" distances.



: >
: >All events will be swum during the week of February 7-13, 1993, and reported
: >to the compiler by Tuesday, February 16, 3:00 P.M. Eastern and 12 Noon,
: >Pacific Standard Time.
: >
: I realize this is an impractical request since we'll never satisfy
: everyone, but I'd much prefer to have the events swum two weeks later
: since my birthday is in mid Feb and I age up into a new age group -
: then I wouldn't be competing against Julie Paque who ages up
: couple of months later (and who has historically swum infinitely 
: faster than me in every event)!
: 
: :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

	It's not impractical.   Just as long as it's before my March 20th
wedding.  I picked that as a trial week.
	Let's get some serious feedback.  Is this the right format?
I wasn't the originator of the Email Swim Meet idea, but it's a good one
(I think).  Unfortunately, because some Internet readers know Mike
Bruner, Bruner might compete.  Oh well.
	I'm not trying to steal anyone's idea, but why don't we try
to reach a consensus by December 2 (since I'm leaving Wednesday for
Thanksgiving and won't be back 'til Monday, Nov. 30.)

	Jim Acke
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 20:08:56 MST
From: <IADGLC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Perscription Swimming Goggles
Distribution: usa

In article <leigh.721590108@wrs.com>, leigh@wrs.com (Leigh Barker) says:
>
>warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon) writes:
>
>>come true if this really happended during a triathlon.  I was wondering
>>if anybody knows of companies would make perscription goggles.  And if
>>Tx
>>Dave
>
>Speedo makes "prescription" goggles, available in some sporting goods stores.
>
<STUFF DELETED>
I have a pair of the Speedos. The precise prescription makes little difference
in the water, so the off-the-shelf near your correction power should do. Howeve
r, I have not particularly liked them. They leak, they do not adjust well, and
I find them uncomfortable. I also have a pair of the Barracudas, which I find
very clear, infinitely adjustable, very comfortable. Barracudas will cost much
more, but the company also sells an inexpensive repair kit so you can easily
replace straps, foam sealant, etc. Like all lenses, they will fog up, but they
take a dose of clearing fluid much better than Speedos, IMHO. I don't have
the Barracuda number here, but if you e-mail me I'll look it up.
>still very pleased with them. They are anti-fog (as much as any goggles are
>anti-fog), and smoke tinted, as well as UV blocking. I love them! Beats the
>hell out of not knowing what my lanemates look like, and I can read the pace
>clock. They were about $25 retail. I found them at Big 5 Sporting goods, and
>they commented that they hadn't been selling well.
>
>Barracuda make goggles to your exact prescription. Unfortunately, if you live
>in California, you have to get them through your optometrist. Elsewhere, you
>can call them (don't have the number, but I believe they are in Portland area)
>and they will let you read them your prescription over the phone. I had a pair
>once. They cost $140 in 1988. They were emphatically not anti-fog, and they
>always leaked.
>
>I know, I know, you can adjust them so they don't leak. That doesn't happen
>to be true in my case. I even bought special double-thick foam. . .but I
>digress.
>
>Hope this is of some help.
>--
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker)
Subject: Re:  Email Swim Meet
Content-Type: text
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:40:01 -0500 (EST)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4beta PL16]
Content-Length: 2800      



> But seriously folk..., I think it would be more constructive to consider
> the guidelines when proposing events to see how well the events conform
> to the guidelines.
> 
> Proposed guidelines included:
> 
> An event or combination of events not usually swum at meets. (The
> rationale is that if it is a common event, you could just do it at
> the next scheduled meet.)
> 
> The event or combination should be able to be completed in a typical
> workout time. (The rationale is that otherwise a special pool session
> will be required, which might pose a logistics or financial problem
> for most folks.)
> 
> Let me propose yet another guideline:
> 
> The event should amenable to particpation by all age groups. (The rationale
> is more participants.)
> 

	We once had a forced telephone meet when I was in high school
in Chicago.  Due to a snowstorm, transportation to the other high
school was out, so we swam our events in our pool (at 2 P.M. on a
Saturday) and they swam at the same time in their pool.  The coaches
reported times to each other event by event (diving was subjective,
but we tried), and determined the outcome.
	Thus, I think spontaneity/quick outcome is desirable.

Here's my proposal:
	Events:  Freestyle:  75, 150, and 600 yards.
	Stroke:  75 and 150 yards.
	I.M.:  300 and 600 (the 600 is for the crunchers).

All events will be swum during the week of February 7-13, 1993, and reported
to the compiler by Tuesday, February 16, 3:00 P.M. Eastern and 12 Noon,
Pacific Standard Time.

	Requirements:  Individuals may swim one to all events listed.
A starter and timer are required to record the time.  The starter's
name and timer's name are to be included in the time report.

Reporting format:

	Event:  150 Freestyle
	Athlete:  John Q. Publick
	Starter:  My Coach   Timer:  His Friend
	Location:  Summersville, N.J. Pool
	Date of Swim:  2/9/93

	Time:  1:33.24.
	Division:  Masters, Male, 30-35.

There should be a collegiate division for active college swimmers such
as Rule, an international division, and Masters age groups starting
at 19-24 and continuing in five-year increments.

	If this flies, SWIM magazine should be contacted and the
results reported therein (if they let us).  I'd be willing to
write an accompanying article.

	Awards:  Since no money is involved, the awards budget is
limited.  Perhaps a graphics type could come up with an emailable
certificate of participation to go to all entrants.  After our
first "demonstrator" year, we could then actually solicit sponsorship,
perhaps from a computer company.

	That's a real proposal.  Results could be reported daily
during the week to make it exciting.  I.e.  seeing a reported time
gives others something to shoot for.

	That's it.  Comments welcome.

	Jim Acker
	jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: osterber@husc8.harvard.edu (Richard Osterberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: SETS SETS SET (was Re Email swim meet)
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:08:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.osterber.722102914

rule@kenyon.edu writes:

>3000 for time.  Period.

Houw about 5000 for time... long course.

>The "all balls" sets: (sorry if offensive, but our coach gave these sets their
>name)...

>10 x 100 on 1:05

Naw... that's boring. Do 20 x 100 @ 1:00.

-rick
From: jsd@esl.com (Jeff Dalton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: CCS Polo Schedule?
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:32:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.swimming
Distribution: ba
Organization: ESL Inc., S'vale CA

Does anyone have a schedule of the finals for CCS waterpolo at DeAnza?
I'd like to find out what next Saturday will look like.  Are the semis
on Saturday or Friday?  Who will Palo Alto have to beat to make the
championship game (Live Oak or Bellermine)?

--
Jeff Dalton, ESL Inc., S'vale CA            <insert clever
disclaimer/quote>
jsd@esl.com
From: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM (Tim Cespedes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: SETS SETS SET (was Re Email swim meet)
Date: 21 Nov 1992 00:36:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunpool.ebay.sun.com

In article 1ejue3INN1h9@hpsceo.scd.hp.com, schmitz@scd.hp.com (John Schmitz) writes:
>Mike Bruner ...
>... said his best ever was 5 x 500 yds on
>4:25.  Ouch.
>

Another animal swim that Bruner did in "practice" was 3300 yd.  His first
1650 beat the American record at the time.  He negative split the swim,
i.e. his 2nd 1650 was faster!

Tim

Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: vonjako@athena.mit.edu (Christopher Von Jako)
Subject: youth swimmers
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:39:55 GMT

I am an assistant coach of a YMCA swim team with limited experience as
a coach.  I was a high school and collegiate (Div. III) swimmer.

I would like any suggestions on workouts for my swimmers (ages 13 -17). 
This would be helpful to get some variety for my swimmers.
They must be at least 4000 yards and no more than 4500.

Also any suggetions for >>sprint workouts<<.  Most of my swimmers have
endurance but are slow.  In college I used to use fins for these
types of workouts.  Unfortunately, we don not have any.

And, finally any comments on whether it is better to enter pinky first
in the backstroke or to enter with the thumb and rotate the arm after
the arm enters the water.

You may send me e-mial directly.


Thanks in advance.
From: schmitz@scd.hp.com (John Schmitz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: SETS SETS SET (was Re Email swim meet)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:04:19 -0800
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Santa Clara Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsceo.scd.hp.com

> Naw... that's boring. Do 20 x 100 @ 1:00.

Mike Bruner swims with us at lunch sometimes.  Somebody said
something about his 100 x 100 yds on the 1:00.  He said that
wasn't his best set.  He said his best ever was 5 x 500 yds on
4:25.  Ouch.
From: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: youth swimmers
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:57:14 GMT
Reply-To: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan)
Organization: Chevron CEPS

In article <1ejmirINN6g7@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM 
(Tim Cespedes) writes:
> From: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM (Tim Cespedes)
> Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
> Subject: Re: youth swimmers
> Date: 20 Nov 92 21:50:19 GMT
> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> 
> In article 6282@athena.mit.edu, vonjako@athena.mit.edu (Christopher Von 
> Jako) writes:
> >And, finally any comments on whether it is better to enter pinky first
> >in the backstroke or to enter with the thumb and rotate the arm after
> >the arm enters the water.
> 
> When entering the water, you want your pinky first.
> 
> Now when it exits the water, down by your side, that's open to debate.
> Egerzegi (sp?) recovers with her pinky first.  Zubero exits with his
> thumb first.
> 
> Tim

My children (5 and 8) have been taught to exit thumb first, rotate the hand, 
and enter pinky first.  A drill they do is to stop the arm just above the water, 
stop perpendicular to water and check that they're palm out, stop as they enter 
water, and stroke strongly to their leg.  Seems effective.

Beverly M. Zalan
bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com
From: osterber@husc8.harvard.edu (Richard Osterberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: SETS SETS SET (was Re Email swim meet)
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:37:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.osterber.722140621

kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner) writes:


>(Carrying it one step further)

>How about Tracy Caulkins' 100x100 on 1:00?

>How about Dave Wharton's 24 hours of 8x(2x(4000m/hour), hour rest) for
>64,000m long course?  How about his 16,000m IM long course (just think about
>it!)?

Perhaps when I go the olympics... I can pull off some of those. If/when....
-Rick
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: jgacker@news.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker)
Subject: Re: SETS SETS SET (was Re Email swim meet)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:58:30 GMT

Tim Cespedes (timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM) wrote:
: In article 1ejue3INN1h9@hpsceo.scd.hp.com, schmitz@scd.hp.com (John Schmitz) writes:
: >Mike Bruner ...
: >... said his best ever was 5 x 500 yds on
: >4:25.  Ouch.
: >
: 
: Another animal swim that Bruner did in "practice" was 3300 yd.  His first
: 1650 beat the American record at the time.  He negative split the swim,
: i.e. his 2nd 1650 was faster!
: 
: Tim
: 
	I was about to say "Mike Bruner is God", then I remembered that
Jeff Kostoff did 3 x 5000 on the 50:00 as a freshman at Stanford.  To make
it tougher, he did 4 x 5000 on the 50:00 as a sophomore.

	O.K. Mike Bruner and Jeff Kostoff are BOTH God.

(Quoted from Swimming World)

	Jim Acker
From: pimmel@eagles.cs.wisc.edu (David Pimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Email Swim Meet (ESM)
Keywords: swim
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:09:22 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1556@tekgen.bv.tek.com> brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney) writes:
>
>
>I received about a dozen repsonses regarding the Email Swim Meet
>(ESM), all positive, but obviously with different "visions" of
>just what it should be. So here are some thoughts as to what it
>should be (some are mine, some I recevied email, some have been
>posted)
>
>(PLEASE POST ANY COMMENTS/IDEAS/SUGGESTIONS TO THE NEWSGROUP!
>I love email, but for this idea to fly, there has to be a lot
>of interaction and consensus building. So post instead of email.)
>
>The "event(s)" should be:
>
>Something not commonly swum.
>
>Doable in a typical workout time or maybe slightly longer.
>
>Candidate event(s) include (please post your nomination):
>
>Ultra Distance Swims (5K, 1 Hour, etc)
>
>Challenging Combinations:
>   Animal Meet Format:  200 BF, 400 IM, 1650 FR
>   USMS Super Set: (10 x 100 @ a "defined" interval
>   Sprint Meet (ala OMS): 20 x 50 @ 1:30 interval

If the idea is to get a lot of participation, than these last idea aren't very
good.  I would imagine that only currently competative swimmers would even 
think of doing these types of things.  I'm a fairly good swimmer, but my 
competative years are behind me, and I can't even dream of finishing a 200 fly.

I think the events should be the standard distances and strokes swam in most 
high school and college level events.  100s and 200s of the specialities, 
50,100,200,500,maybe 1000 or 1650 Free, and 200, 400 IM.  No one would have
to compete in everything, only in what they choose.  I could do the shorter 
freestyle events, and even the 100 fly, but the longer events are a thing of
my past, particually with a recent dislocated shoulder  But when I get back in
the water I would like this kind of motivation to work harder in the pool.
>
>Please post your suggestion/comments!
>
>Thanks
>
>Bruce Cheney


-- 

David Pimmel                    
pimmel@cs.wisc.edu