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From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Melbourne hoodoo on Hawthorn
Date: 22 Aug 92 08:19:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug21.053924.6707@megadata.mega.oz.au> martin@megadata.mega.oz.au (Martin Corr) writes:
>From article <37005@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, by tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan):
>> In article <1992Aug19.002522.2510@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1180953@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Darren Hemmingsen) writes:
>>>A friend commented to me today that he thought Melbourne would beat Hathorn in
>>>round 24. This he based on the number of times that Melbourne has beaten
>>>Hawthorn in the last few seasons. Melbourne beat Hawthorn?? When was the last
>>>time Melbourne beat Hawthorn? Have Melbourne beaten Hawthorn in the last three
>>>seasons? 
>> 
>> Didn't Melbourne defeat Hawthorn, in CONSECUTIVE MATCHES, in 1990?
>> I believe the Dees beat Hawthron in the final round of the season of
>> that year to make the finals, then the very next week knocked    
>> the perennial Grand Finalists off their perch in the Elimination
>> Final.
>> 
>> Or am I wrong?
>> 
>> 
>> Tom Marvan
>> 
>>
>But what of the other finals games
>
>That Buckenara goal for example ????


Well, the orginal question was: "Have Melbourne beaten Hawthorn in
the last three seasons?" and I was simply pointing out that yes, in
fact, the Demons *have* beaten Hawthorn not just once, but (at
least) TWICE in the last three seasons, and in consecutive matches
(a rarity).


Further, the first victory was achieved in the final round, adding
weight to your friend's claim that the Demons may have the edge over
Hawthorn in final round matches.  No mention was made of finals
matches in the original posting.  


Indeed, I do not deny that in recent seasons the Hawks probably have
the edge over Melbourne in finals matches, but such a claim hardly
seems pertinent this year given that the Demons will not see
September action.  Of course, they do have the power to shape the
finals series, a point which has been highlighted by their coach, John
Northy, and of which Hawk and Saint supporters are all too aware.




Tom Marvan.
From: s891932@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Chris Warr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Sheldon can't coach!
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:23:24 GMT


In my opinion Ken Sheldon is one of the worst coaches in the league!
He has IMO the most talented side in the league (eg. Winmar, Lockett, Lowe,
Harvey, McAdam...) but his coaching is crap.  Everyone knows how to stuff
their defence and block The Fat Boys' leads now so why doesn't he try to 
coach his way out of it instead of just letting it happen.  I'm no coach
so I don't know how, but he could try playing TFB up the ground a bit when
this happens or even taking him off the ground.

This is my opinion, if you don't agree then please follow up calling me a fag
and other such witticisms (absolutely no idea how to spell that!).

Go Dons.
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From: pete@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete Staples)
Subject: Re: Sheldon can't coach!
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:18:47 GMT

Nah call him a fag!
From: met@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (Meteorology General)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: How long: Gary Ablett's goal
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:17:29 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne Dept of Meteorology

In article <1992Aug20.144818.744@athena.mit.edu> gdebelle@athena.mit.edu (Guy L Debelle) writes:
>Can someone tell me how long was the goal Gary Ablett kicked two weeks back
>
>Thanks
>Guy
Simple - In scientific terms  it was BLOODY long.
I watched Williams try to kick from the edge of
the square last week (it dribbled off the side 
of his boot and went nowhere) and at the time thought
he was a bit optimistic, but as I was standing waiting 
for him to take the kick I realised that God was at 
least 5-10 metres further back when he dobbed his.
Hence I would put the divine kick at around 70metres.
And remember that it cleared the goalline easily.
(who did he think he was - Malcom Blight?)

Andrew B. Watkins B.Sc(Hons) AFL(Carlton)
From: marino@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Possible finalists for 1992
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:00:23 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

 POSSIBLE FINALISTS
 ==================

 The finalists are still a long from being decided. The two teams assured of
playing in the finals are Geelong and West Coast. Footscray is almost certain as
it would be damn near impossible for Footscray to lose BOTH of their last two
matches. West Coast at Footscray is a possibility, but Brisbane at Footscray?
How much more of an easier match do you need to get into the finals. The only
possibilities for the Saints are that they beat Melbourne on Sunday, and the
following results go their way:

  *If the Saints beat Melbourne by about 100 points, then Hawthron must win by
   less than 30 or lose for St.Kilda to get in.

  *Collingwood loses to Carlton on Saturday and then to Adelaide at Victoria
   Park next Saturday.

  *Carlton loses to Collingwood on Saturday and then loses to West Coast next
   Sunday in Perth in the final match for the year.

My personal belief is that Carlton may be the team to drop out, but that is only
my opinion and we won't see if it is true until after this week's round of
matches.

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From: eda347asft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re Who is the ugliest
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:45:21 GMT

What about the Danihers for the ugliest footballer award.  Especially
with those horrible facial expressions they pull.
From: marino@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: AFL News Tues.-Thurs. 11-13/8/1992
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:15:24 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

The AFL News for Tuesday - Thursday 11-13/8/1992.
-------------------------------------------------
 Welcome to the wrap-up of the AFL news. There were three reports from round 21.
St.Kilda's Nicky Winmar and Carlton's Greg Williams have both been cleared, but
Richmond's Stevan Jackson was given two weeks for striking West Coast's Mitchell
White.

 In other news:

 -The AFL Commission will be the subject of an independent review by KPMG Peat
  Marwick. The AFL has appointed him to conduct an independent review of the
  administrative structure of the AFL.

 -St.Kilda has issued a warning for opposing clubs and media to stop their "Tony
  Lockett" bashing. Hudson believes that the media is placing Lockett in a
  situation where he is guilty and has to prove his innocence.

 -Richmond is still seething over comments made that they will merge with Melb-
  bourne. They are considerng legal action against ex-Sydney player Gerard Healy
  who wrote the article.

 In injury news:

 -Collingwood has major injury worries. Shane Morwood has injured his back and
  Mick McGuane is doubtful with a calf injury. Crosisca, Wright, Starcevich and
  Kerrison are all doubtful also.

 -Hawthorn should regain captain Gary Ayres for their last game of the season.
  Paul Dear and Dean Anderson should also return.

 -Carlton's Greg Williams is now only a week to week proposition with the tend-
  onitis in his knee. It will require an operation at the end of the season.

 -Footscray should regain Coleman, Royal, Smith and Hunter for their important
  clash with Carlton.

 -West Coast should regain Mitchell White and Peter Wilson in about 3 weeks
  after both players sustained injuries against Richmond.

 -Geelong will have to do without Ablett for a few weeks. Geelong has lost their
  two main ruckman in Bourke and Hooper for the rest of the season.

There is more injury news, but I am now only inclusing the teams in the finals
race. Hope you enjoy these. Until then.............

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From: u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner)
Subject: Re: AFL News Tues. - Fri. 28-31/7/1992
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:28:11 GMT

mathers@sibelius.trl.oz.au (Steven Mathers) writes:

>In article <2892@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU>, cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:
>|> u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner) writes:
>|> : marino@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>|> : > - The AFL plans to introduce a shorter 20 minute quarter from 1994. A similar
>|> : >   amount of time will still be played because time is to be added on during the
>|> : >   game when the ball goes out of bounds. This will stop the defending team con-
>|> : >   tinuously hitting the ball over the boundary line.
>|> : 
>|> : This is a joke right?? I thought this was just Cornes making up excuses for 
>|> : Adelaide. No one can be taking his comments seriously(I hope). But the AFL
>|> : seem to have done things like this in the past...
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Is the fifty metre penalty a joke?
>|> Is the final six a joke?
>|> Is a 15 team league a joke?
>|> Is no U19's a joke?
>|> 

>Come on guys, don't slang off about new rules just because they are new.

>Actually, when you think about it, it might not be such a bad rule.
>There is nothing worse than being 1 point behind with 3 minutes to go,
>and having to watch the opposition hit the ball out of bounds 20 times.
>Basketball stops the clock when this sort of thing happens, and
>basketball matches are very exciting when the score is close, because
>the teams must make play.

>I am not against new rules if they are decent and CAN BE POLICED
>EFFECTIVELY.  I agree that there is no use bringing in a rule that
>cannot be effectively worked on the field, but something as simple as
>stopping the clock when the ball goes out of bounds will not alter the
>game and is not subject to umpire's discretion.  It will just make the
>players more reluctant to purposely wimp out and hit the ball out of
>bounds.  

I was not "slanging off" the idea of time-on when the ball is out of bounds.
IMHO, this is an excellent idea. I was only critisising the idea of shortening
the quarters to 20 mins which IS a stupid idea from a coach who is just making
excuses for his slack players.
From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Hawthorn and St.Kilda Play-off
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:50:46 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


I'm surprised that no-one yet has brought up the scenario that St.
Kilda and Hawthorn could be tied on percentage and thus would have
to contest a play-off to see who advances to the elimination final.


The two teams' percentages are very similar and, if it all somehow
(albeit unlikely) falls into place, we may well have a final seven
for one year at least.


Imagine that!




Tom Marvan.
From: s891932@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Chris Warr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Its Competition time folks!
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:22:44 GMT

Just thought I would start up something other than picking uglies.
The Coodabeens ran this comp. a couple of years ago, and they had a good
selection in their book.  You have to pick lines of players that make a 
phrase.

eg.  KICKETT     LONG      TWOMEY

get the idea.  They can be out of position, so no holds barred.
The Coodabeens had a rebel team to tour South Africa named, one line was :

WHITE    MANN     BOSS

My favourite ever I thought up while at an Essendon Richmond practice game
at the start of the year at Skinner Reserve.  We (Essendon) were thinking
of drafting Andrew Krakouer (!sp) and Wille Dick had just started playing.
So My centre line was :

KRACKOUER    LONG     DICK




Go Dons.
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Subject: QFL:  Morningside Panthers
From: (Lisa Nixon)
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:59:53 +0900
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.australian
Distribution: world
Organization: NTU

Does anyone out there know how Morningside are doing?

They were premiers last year and ranked 2nd when I left Brisbane. 

Thanks.
From: rxkand@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Andrew Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Sheldon can't coach!
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:31:33 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

s891932@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Chris Warr) writes:


>In my opinion Ken Sheldon is one of the worst coaches in the league!
>He has IMO the most talented side in the league (eg. Winmar, Lockett, Lowe,
>Harvey, McAdam...) but his coaching is crap.  Everyone knows how to stuff
>their defence and block The Fat Boys' leads now so why doesn't he try to 
>coach his way out of it instead of just letting it happen.  I'm no coach
>so I don't know how, but he could try playing TFB up the ground a bit when
>this happens or even taking him off the ground.

>This is my opinion, if you don't agree then please follow up calling me a fag
>and other such witticisms (absolutely no idea how to spell that!).

>Go Dons. 


         I think Peter Hudson is the brains behind the saints
         I`d like to see Trevor Barker coach the saints
         or Ross Glennding [ however you spell his name ]
         Kenny makes some strange moves or no moves 
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From: Mark@espionage.curtin.edu.au (Mark Ridge)
Subject: Re: Melbourne Hoodoo on Hawthorn
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 09:09:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.045649.24536@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1180953@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Darren Hemmingsen) writes:
>
> It was for only the last three seasons that I was interested in. I remember
> that Buckenara goal, but it was more than three seasons ago, I can't even
> remember what year that was.
>
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Ask Jim Stynes he probably does :-)

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From: martin@megadata.mega.oz.au (Martin Corr)
Subject: Re: Melbourne hoodoo on Hawthorn
Originator: martin@job
Organization: Megadata P/L, North Ryde, Sydney, Aust.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:39:24 GMT

From article <37005@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, by tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan):
> In article <1992Aug19.002522.2510@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1180953@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Darren Hemmingsen) writes:
>>A friend commented to me today that he thought Melbourne would beat Hathorn in
>>round 24. This he based on the number of times that Melbourne has beaten
>>Hawthorn in the last few seasons. Melbourne beat Hawthorn?? When was the last
>>time Melbourne beat Hawthorn? Have Melbourne beaten Hawthorn in the last three
>>seasons? 
> 
> Didn't Melbourne defeat Hawthorn, in CONSECUTIVE MATCHES, in 1990?
> I believe the Dees beat Hawthron in the final round of the season of
> that year to make the finals, then the very next week knocked    
> the perennial Grand Finalists off their perch in the Elimination
> Final.
> 
> Or am I wrong?
> 
> 
> Tom Marvan
> 
>
But what of the other finals games

That Buckenara goal for example ????

Martin
 
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From: neil@epsilon.ma.adfa.oz.au (Neil Viney)
Subject: Re: Teams to play and predicted final ladder after round 22
Organization: Maths Dept. ADFA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:52:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.094458.89787@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>, marino@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
> Teams to play:
> 
>  TEAM        GAMES HOME RATIOAV WINAV LOSSAV RND23 RND24
> 
>  Melbourne      2     2   61.9   13.0   8.0  ST*   HA*
>  St. Kilda      1     0   37.5    7.5  12.5  ME
>  Hawthorn       1     0   37.5    7.5  12.5        ME
> 
> 
>  TEAM        PREDWINS PREDLOSS      CURRWINS CURRLOSS
> 
>  Geelong         16        6            15        5
>  Footscray       16        6            14        6
>  West Coast      15.5      6.5          14.5      5.5
>  Collingwood     15        7            14        6
>  Carlton         15        7            14        6
>  Hawthorn        14        8            13        8
>  ------------------------------     -----------------
>  St. Kilda       14        8            13        8
>  Essendon        12       10            11        9
>  Adelaide        11       11            10       10
>  Fitzroy         10       12             8       12
>  Melbourne        8.5     13.5           7.5     12.5
>  N.Melbourne      6       16             6       14
>  Sydney           4.5     17.5           3.5     16.5
>  Brisbane         4.5     17.5           3.5     16.5
>  Richmond         4       18             4       16
_______________________________________________________

   TOTAL          166.0    164.0

I don't think the ladder will finish like this.
Somehow, I can't see Melbourne, St Kilda and Hawthorn getting a win each
from a total of two matches.  But, as they say, football is a funny game...


Neil.
From: psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Teams to play and predicted final ladder after round 22
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:40:11 GMT
Organization: Flinders University

In article <1992Aug18.094458.89787@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> marino@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>Teams to play:
>
> TEAM        GAMES HOME RATIOAV WINAV LOSSAV RND23 RND24
>
> Adelaide       2     1   72.5   14.5   5.5  GE*   CO
> Carlton        2     1   71.3   14.3   5.8  CO*   WC
> West Coast     2     1   70.0   14.0   6.0  FO    CA*
> Melbourne      2     2   61.9   13.0   8.0  ST*   HA*
> Collingwood    2     1   60.0   12.0   8.0  CA    AD*
> Geelong        2     1   52.5   10.5   9.5  AD    ES*
> Essendon       2     1   52.5   10.5   9.5  NM*   GE
> N.Melbourne    2     0   47.5    9.5  10.5  ES    FI
> Footscray      2     2   45.0    9.0  11.0  WC*   BR*
> Brisbane       2     1   43.8    8.8  11.3  SY*   FO
> St. Kilda      1     0   37.5    7.5  12.5  ME
> Hawthorn       1     0   37.5    7.5  12.5        ME
> Richmond       2     0   28.8    5.8  14.3  FI    SY
> Fitzroy        2     2   25.0    5.0  15.0  RI*   NM*
> Sydney         2     1   18.8    3.8  16.3  BR    RI*
>
>
> TEAM        PREDWINS PREDLOSS      CURRWINS CURRLOSS
>
> Geelong         16        6            15        5
> Footscray       16        6            14        6
> West Coast      15.5      6.5          14.5      5.5
> Collingwood     15        7            14        6
> Carlton         15        7            14        6
> Hawthorn        14        8            13        8 <--------
> ------------------------------     -----------------
> St. Kilda       14        8            13        8 <--------
> Essendon        12       10            11        9
> Adelaide        11       11            10       10
> Fitzroy         10       12             8       12
> Melbourne        8.5     13.5           7.5     12.5 <------
> N.Melbourne      6       16             6       14
> Sydney           4.5     17.5           3.5     16.5
> Brisbane         4.5     17.5           3.5     16.5
> Richmond         4       18             4       16
>
   If Hawthorn and St Kilda are both going to win their only match left
and they both play Melbourne, then how can Melbourne win one?!!!!!!!



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: AFL Results for round 22
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:16:19 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Hello once again. Well, the scores for round 22 matches are as follows:

        West Coast 14.22 (106) defeated Fitzroy 10.16 (76)

        Hawthorn 25.20 (170) defeated Richmond 13.8 (86)

        Carlton 19.22 (136) defeated Footscray 7.12 (54)

        Geelong 23.13 (151) defeated Brisbane 9.4 (58)

        Collingwood 14.14 (98) defeated N. Melbourne 14.8 (92)

        Melbourne 21.13 (139) defeated Sydney 13.10 (88)

        Adelaide 13.15 (93) defeated St.Kilda 10.17 (77)


 The top seven positions on the ladder are:

                      P  Pts     %
        Geelong      20   60   153.8
        West Coast   20   58   128.0
        Footscray    20   56   126.5
        Carlton      20   56   116.4
        Collingwood  20   56   115.1
        Hawthorn     21   52   123.5
        ----------------------------------
        St.Kilda     21   52   119.8

 Even though things are not looking too good for the Saints, they can still
get into the finals. If St.Kilda wins their last game, then they can get back
into the six if Hawthorn loses, or if Carlton or Collingwood lose their last
two matches. This is possible because Carlton and Collingwood play each other
on Saturday.

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