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From: aaron@cse.ucsc.edu (Aaron Emigh)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: new SEAL book title?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:07:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
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In article <4f4FC2e00Uh_A41sYy@andrew.cmu.edu> pw2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Peter Jason Ward) writes:
>I believe the book you're thinking of is ROUGE WARRIOR
[...]

Isn't that the unauthorized biography of Tammy Faye Bakker's new
husband?

Aaron Emigh
aaron@iit.com
aaron@cse.ucsc.edu
From: ja@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kendo tournament report
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:03:40 -0500

In article <JON.92Nov18110812@zeus.med.utah.edu>, jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd) writes:
> In article <memo.747373@cix.compulink.co.uk> bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar) writes:
> 
>    I've never actually seen a Kendo tournament so I have a few questions.
> 
>    1) Is there no electronic gear for detecting points, I would have thought
>    that the Japanese would have put something together by now. Then the above
>    type of bad call would not occur. Since you are wearing armour anyway I
>    wouldn't have thought there would be a weight problem.

Modern fencing sabre competitions have finally gone electric, last of the three
weapons.  It does help to clarify some points but has also changed the tactics
some.  The fencers are adjusting to the new scoring and figuring out what they
can get away with (Not unfair or unexpected but I'm a bit of a traditionalist
and don't like the new tactics).

I agree with the statemnt below also applies for fencing. Fairness in bouts
greatly depends on skilled and impartial judges, even with sensory devices. I
respect and commend them for doing a tough job well.

I have tried kendo once, very different from modern fencing.  Lots of fun
though.  I was defeated by an experienced ?kendoist? but my fencing training
did get in several nice points. Can't wait to try it again.

bye...........John ja@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
 

> 
> 	In my opinion, sensory detection would not really help much.
> Several factors besides striking the target go into determining if the
> competitor executed "yuko datotsu," a sufficiently effective blow.
> These other factors include proper footwork (with a powerful fumikomi,
> or stamping action), proper distance, piercing kiai (yell), zanshin
> (sharply focussed attention), and proper clearing of the opponent's
> weapon.
> 
> 	When I think about it, a Kendo referee's job is incredibly
> complex.  I'm sorry if I seemed to be complaining about the judging in
> my match.  I really have no right to criticize anyone's ability to do
> a job that I can't do myself.
> 
> --
> jonathan byrd
> jon@apollo.med.utah.edu
From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aikido : jo vs. spear
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:15:21 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Nov18.135542.18958@srg.srg.af.mil> dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
>
>From what I've seen of the European spear styles - some of the old combat
>manuals have spear work in them - the butt of the spear is very useful in
>close combat.  It can be used to hook an opponents spear shaft or part of
>the body, or as a club.  I think it reversing the shaft is most useful in
>situations where your weapon in constrained - a press or a closing rush.

Chinese spear fighting, at least as represented in the styles
I've been learning so far, including Luo Family, Yang Family,
and other Northern and Southern spear sets, include such end
reversals, as well as some fairly interesting spins and
reversals. The spear we use is tapered, with the heavy end
away from the blade. In all the styles, but the Norhtern
styles especially, the blade is used as much as a slicing
weapon as it is a piercing weapon. 

The butt is used for close deflections, much as you suggest 
European spears were, but also for close-range ramming, and,
in the Southern spear sets is even used reversed for
thrusting attacks at long range.

By and large, though, long range thrusting and slicing are 
done with the blade, as you would expect, and the butt
and shaft are reserved for closer deflections and clubbing.
All the sets mix spear technique liberally with kicks, hand
strikes and sweeps, just so you don't forget you have other
options available.
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From: ederpc@rtsg.mot.com (Pamela C. Eder)
Subject: "Superfoot" Bill Wallace Seminar
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: rec.martial-arts
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:09:57 GMT

Does anyone plan on attending Wallace's seminar tonight 11/20 and 
tomorrow 11/21 in the Chicagoland area??  A few of the people from
my dojo will be attending.  I cannot.  I was just wondering...


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From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 10th Dan & Badass Karate (belt system)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 01:26:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Actually, it is quite well documented that Kano introduced
the Belt ranking system. Originally, it was in keeping the
the Menkyo system and only went to 5th Dan.

---
Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply


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From: ederpc@rtsg.mot.com (Pamela C. Eder)
Subject: Re: Full contact no protection competition
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:52:07 GMT

Yes, i was at one of these type of competitions back on October 24th
at the Park West in downtown Chicago.  It was sponsored by Shidokan Karate.
It was a full contact, no protection, bare knuckle fight.  It was awesome
competition.  These fighters are a special breed.  

The only place contact was not allowed was to the face with a fist.  The
fighters could kick to the face/head, just no direct punches.  And there were
lots of kicks to the face/head.  There was also a significant amount of 
blood.  (we had rink side seats and could hear contact being made)  

If you ever get a chance to see this kind of tournament, it is well worth
it in my opinion. 

Additional information:  the next Weekend War kickboxing tournament in
Chicago is December 5th at St. Viator's Rec Center at the corner of
Addison & Kedvale.  


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From: ftit@paronomasia.engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman)
Subject: Re: Boxing vs Martian Arts
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 12:54:44 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: ftit@paronomasia.engin.umich.edu


In article <23NOV199210505001@zeus.tamu.edu>, khc2674@zeus.tamu.edu (Bruce as my Shepherd) writes:
|In article <1992Nov20.142811.7558@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil writes...
|
|	I say the Martian wins every time. He just turns invisible and sneaks
|	behind the poor boxer.
|

... not to mention the Space Modula-tor he usually keeps under his obi.
Really, the boxer doesn't stand a chance.

|
|Kuo Hau Chang  :)               Praying for Mantis                (:
|Texas A&M      :)   7-star,8-step,Taiji,Tantui,Lu-Han,Flat Plate  (:

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From: achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Hsing I Kung Fu
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:31:28 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

In article <1992Nov17.111828.22420@ncsu.edu> bkdavis@eos.ncsu.edu (B K DAVIS) writes:
>
>In article <1247@xlnt.COM>, david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:
>|> In article <1992Nov6.185306.3511@seas.gwu.edu>, yfkimura@seas.gwu.edu (Yusuke F. Kimura) writes:
>|> > 	I've always been interested: what's the real difference between the >so-called "hard" martial arts, and the "soft" ones, like Hsing I or Tai Chi or >even Aikido?
>|> 
>|> What is so soft about xing yi?
>
>ALWAYS look before you leap or make a commment on other arts
>without first doing some back ground on them.

You ought to heed your own advice, Brian.  David is a hsing yi player. :)

But anyway, my real purpose in posting is to say that initially hsing yi
looked like a hard internal art to me, but recently it was demonstrated to me
by my teacher that hsing yi can also be very soft.  So, I think it's most
accurate to characterize hsing yi as an internal art without further specifying
whether it's hard or soft -- because it can be either.

Al
From: jo.lavoy%theweb@meaddata.com (Jo Lavoy) 
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: RE: THE ART OF HEAD-BUTTI
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:05:00 GMT
Distribution: world
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Reply-To: jo.lavoy%theweb@meaddata.com (Jo Lavoy) 

Ouch! Got a chuckle out of your story!  Yeah, I think if I want to break
bricks, I"ll get me trusty sledgehammer.   Heads are best used, in my
opinion, against softer things like noses and cheekbones. Even so,
you're going to get a lump on your head.
     
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From: kevin@pages (Kevin Sven Berg)
Subject: Re: 10th Dan & Badass Karate (belt system)
Keywords: dirty smelly stinkin' gi
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:01:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.045400.26626@gagme.chi.il.us> phantom@gagme.chi.il.us  
(Leif Ericksen) writes:
[...snip snip ...]
> 	True, the original belt systems was teh dirtier it was the
> more experience you supposedly had.  THUS the tradition that YOU NEVER
> EVER was your belt.

'never wash you belt?

This sounds like folklore, and I find it hard to believe arising from a
society that places great value in bathing and cleanliness.

Kevin
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From: weigand@banana.cns.udel.edu (Steve Weigand)
Subject: George A. Dillman?
Reply-To: weigand@pecan.cns.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:05:10 GMT

I've been reading a lot about a karate instructor named George Dillman
in some of those cheezy karate/kf magazines. He has a series of video
tapes about how to apply pressure points into fighting - a subject that
continues to interest me. 

My question is: Has anyone seen this guy? Has anyone seen any of his
video tapes?  Is he legitamate? 

You see, I believe he lives in my area (somewhat close to me), in 
Reading, Pennsylvania. I think his style is Okinawan Kempo, if I'm
correct. I may pay him a visit, but I'd also like to hear if anyone
has seen any of his stuff before going to him.

Thanks, 
 - Steve Weigand
  (weigand@ee.udel.edu)
From: bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The art of head-butting!
Date: 17 Nov 1992 04:43:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau)
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In a previous article, shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) says:

>I've always wondered, how do you pull off a successful headbutt without
>hurting yourself?  I've experimented/practiced a little bit (ow!), and
>found that the part of the skull about three inches above the eyebrows
>is a TOUGH spot in the skull.  It's ABOUT where the hairline recedes.  I
>hit a wall w/ my head and it didn't hurt.. too much. :)  Call me
>insane.. :) 

You're INSANE!!!  I hate to see the twenty-odd other times you did
it against the wall and found out that part of the skull was not as
tough!! *wince*

Basically you've got the right part of your skull to use.  Never use
your forehead against your opponents like you always see in the movies.
What you want to do is to slam your crown moving in a straight line 
into the guy's face.  This is what's been taught to me, but I kinda 
doubt I'll ever use it in combat.  A good knee smash to the groin
should do the trick!

  -- Gil
From: z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: re: electronic scoring was:Kendo tourn...
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:52:39 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

When someone mentioned using electronic equipment to measure points in
tournaments my interest was piqued. (This Kendo in particular, though I'm
interested in all styles in this post)  Are these actually in use and where? 
Are they reliable?  My only experience with them is in Tennis with "cyclops"
which is infamous for setting off at the wrong moments (kinda like car alarms)
which I could see as a REAL problem in tournaments in the martial arts as they
are in Tennis.

I understand how hard the manual counting of points are.  I just realized
yesterday how hard it is for someone sparring to know.  My instructor
complemented me on that great kick to the head that I did in (my first!:))
competition (they had all this on film).  Me: "I did?  I don't remember it!"
He just grinned.:)

Personal note: First competition ever was last week.  A very good lesson in
humility.

jaa ne, Akane

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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Age and Training
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:05:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.221340.20747@ll.mit.edu> cynthia@ll.mit.edu (Cynthia Eldridge) writes:
>
>In article <By2MEt.As3@sju.edu>, tmoody@sju.edu (T. Moody) writes:
>|> ...
>|> I have been thinking a bit about this lately, but in the context of how
>|> important a factor age (and lifestyle) may be in the decision to *begin*
>|> martial arts training.
>|> ...
>|> As someone who started
>|> Shotokan karate training at 35 and who is by no means an athlete, I have
>|> noticed a few things.  First, the training is obviously not designed for
>|> someone of my physical condition.  
>|> ... 
>|> Second, I have attended (as a spectator) a number of 1st dan exams and
>|> observed others who *began* training at a non-youthful age.  There is,
>|> in my view, a significant observable difference between these people and
>|> the younger ones.
>|> 
>|> It may be that it is naive to expect to  attain any great level of
>|> competence in any martial art if one does not begin training young; or
>|> it may be that this is true only for certain styles.
>|> 
>
>I feel that what is considered "great level of competence" in a martial art
>should be different for each person.  I also feel that competence should be 
>based on the potential of each person.  I have come to this belief after
>seeing many students practically transform before my eyes.  For example,
>I watched one older fellow (he looks 40-50 to me), who always seemed so 
>awkward, become much more coordinated and able to generate real power.  
>Another student I know, who was born with a disability like cerebral palsy,
>has improved his coordination dramatically during the 3-4 years that he has 
>trained with my club.
>
>So what if an older person cannot perform with the same ability than as
>a younger person?  Will that make the person any less of a martial artist? 
>If a person trains only 3 times a week because of physical limitations,
>then (I think) that's fine!  That's 3 times a week better than no training
>at all!  
>
>In my own training (which is JKA Shotokan, BTW), I endeavor to improve 
>myself, to do better than I though I could possibly do.  I do not compare 
>myself to the person next to me (at least I try not to).  Isn't that the 
>idea behind all martial arts?
>
>Cynthia

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From: heller@luna.think.com (Steve Heller)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Thumb pushups: NOT
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:39:02
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
	<1992Nov15.142823.25207@cs.mun.ca>
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In-reply-to: matthew@cs.mun.ca's message of Sun, 15 Nov 1992 14:28:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.142823.25207@cs.mun.ca> matthew@cs.mun.ca (Matthew J. Newhook) writes:

   I've been having alot of trouble with my left thumb.  It is quite painful
   to put pressure on it (such as pushups, or the type of pressure applied
   from Sankyo, Nikyo, and Koteguish).  It has forced me to stop practicing
   and I find this quite irrirating, to say the least.  Has anybody else
   had this sort of problem, and what can I do about it, beside lay off
   for a little while.

At some point I have avoided sprains in my thumb and wrist sprains while
doing pushups by doing knuckle pushups.  They are better for you anyway.

I realize that pushups are probably not the goal ... .

-steve   (steve heller --- heller@think.com)
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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Thumb pushups: NOT
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:05:29 GMT

In article matthew@cs.mun.ca (Matthew J. Newhook) writes:
>
>   I've been having alot of trouble with my left thumb.  It is quite painful
>   to put pressure on it (such as pushups, or the type of pressure applied
>   from Sankyo, Nikyo, and Koteguish).  It has forced me to stop practicing
>   and I find this quite irrirating, to say the least.  Has anybody else
>   had this sort of problem, and what can I do about it, beside lay off
>   for a little while.

Yes, I had this problem after injuring my thumb during a TKD
drill.  We were doing this goofy exercise where your partner
holds a target about head high while you leap in the air with
both feet off the floor, and punch it with as much force as
possible.  All this is meant to impress on the student that
substantial striking force can be generated through hip rotation
(TKD gospel) alone, even when the feet are unrooted.  Think of
it as Tai Chi deprogramming.  Anyway, my target holder twitched
in anticipation of the punch, the target moved, and I just
grazed it with my thumb.  Of course, the thumb tried to stay
behind, peeling away from my fist and bending backwards at an
unnatural angle.  Being a macho green belt at the time, I
finished out the training session even though I couldn't make a
fist anymore.

Ouch!  I couldn't even pull up my fly with that hand for a month
(imagine all the new friends I made in the restroom, "Hey buddy,
can you give me a hand with this?").  It was actually stiff and
painful for at least a year.  I never did find anything that
helped it heal except time.  I hope your injury is less serious,
but regardless, you would be wise to give it a rest.  A pushup
is just an upside down decline press, so you could get the same
effect using weights and a bench until the thumb feels better.  I
don't know what you can do about working through Aikido wrist
controls except to make sure your training partners go easy on
your left side when you are uke and to innovate when you are
applying a control that seems to require use of the injured
thumb, same as you would if you had to finish a fight despite
injury.  Good luck
--
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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Boxing vs Martial Arts
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:06:54 GMT

In article <1eht5vINNi9d@male.EBay.Sun.COM> 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon) writes:
>I use to think that Tae Kwon Do was the ultimate self protection, but after
>watching boxing such as Mike Tyson Razor Ruddock etc I cam to a conclusion
>that the Undisputed Heavy Weight Champion of the world could beat the
>best Heavy Weight Karate guy in a fight with out using any kicks,  But if 
>kicks were allowed I know that a karate would break the knees and legs of any
>boxer regardless of size.   What is the opinion of other people?

	Well, Renie, this is one of those questions which I've often wondered
myself. But, a more interesting question is this:
	Could an evil Batman defeat Superman? Even if batman were old and
decrepit?
	How about Godzilla versus Ultraman? I think that when Ultraman throws
one of his killer razor rings, Godzilla would get all sliced up.
	But if Ultraman weren't allowed to use any of his energy weapons, and
had to rely on Ultra-Judo, that solar power indicator on his rubber suit would
start to blink, and then it would be all over - Godzilla would be having
Ultraman-sushi for dinner (extra wasabi please)

>which is more superior martial arts or boxing ?

	Neither.
	As a dessert topping stylist, and a great fan of the 3 Stooges, I would
throw a creme pie into my enemies face, and then shoot him with my Uzi...
	...unless he had a knife, then I'd shoot him with my Uzi FIRST, and
then throw the creme pie afterward.

	But, before I did any of that stuff, I would have to recite my
stooge-fu tantric mantra "Oh, a WISE-GUY, huh?"

>Could Bruce Lee could had beaten Sugar Ray Leonard as a welterweight

	Of course - I saw Bruce Lee wipe out a whole island full of kung-fu
bad guys. Sugar Ray Leonard hasn't got a chance.
	But you see, that's all very moot, because Bruce Lee is DEAD!!! He's
not pulling this Elvis deal, where some people spot Bruce Lee hanging out in
7-Elevens and obscure parking lots. This Bruce Lee is DEAD, it is expired, it
is an Ex-Bruce Lee - the only reason he's still standing is because you have
him tacked up on your wall.

	But Bruce does have The King of Rock and Roll beat on one level: I
guess there may be more Bruce Lee impersonators than Elvis impersonators.

>Chuck Norris/Bill Wallace vs Marvin Hagler in a one on one any thing goes
>fight including kicks and wrestling, who would win?

	The promoters - they'd feed up all their hype, goad your imaginations,
cause you to engage in endless pointless speculation. They'd sell T-shirts,
commemorative plates, Chuck Norris vs. Marvin Hagler fight bloopers and all
sorts of tacky gewgaws.


--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
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From: astah@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Stockholm dojo, for shotokan & kendo?
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:27:00 GMT

In article <hurd.721603921@sfu.ca>, hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd) writes:
> Hi, I'm soon to move to Stockholm,
> 
> Can anyone reccomend dojo where I can continue my Shotokan Karate training,
> and where I can start kendo?
> 
> I have no idea what the geography of the city is like, but I'll be near the
> Zoology dept, @ U of S.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> -- 
> Pete Hurd, hurd@sfu.ca|
> Behavioural Ecology   |
> Dept.Biol.Sci., SFU.  |
> Burnaby B.C., Canada  |"As miserable as ever" replied the enlightend Kyogen.

Contac the ISKF Headquarts in Phillidelphia.