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From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Astrology real, yeah right!
Date: 22 Nov 1992 02:08:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, phys224@csc.canterbury.ac.nz () says:

>In response to stancad.Why does any superstitious person believe in their
>own personal world view?because it gives them comfort;they no longer need
>to make their own decisions,mystical forces are at least partly responsible
>for their actions and thoughts,they don't even need to come up with their own
>morality.

I don't know what your'e talking about... You don't even know what
"mystical" means!

>Its the same with the myraid of organised religions,they all
>believe in their own diety,all basically disagree,many would gladly kill
>each other (and the rest of us!) to enforce their beliefs.

How many astroloers have killed non-believers? Versus: How many
scientists were killed by the so-called "christian" church for
disseminating the *truth*?

> Science instead tried to be objective,and has proven incredibly successful thus far in
>explaining much about our universe,allowing us to build amazing new
>technology,etc.

Yeah, and?...

>Lighten up on them!most are happy to debate stuff,unfortuantly some don't
>want to,maybe they don't want their faith shaken up,etc.

Empirical evidence categorized as "faith". Gee! Tell me: How long did
you study astrology for before concluding that ist is false? WHAT?! you
depend on others to tell you that it is false?! Gee! I'm smarter than
you are!

>So long as they don't try to teach young children their philospohy,whats
>wrong with them?the people who pay money to go see them,thats their concern,
>if they haven't got any sense by the time they're grown up,they deserve to get
>suckered in.
>l.l.a.p.

I agree with you there, partially at least. Buyer be ware! :-)

Tony
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From:  Andrey D. Mikhailow <Walther@cancer.msk.su>
Subject: Re: Treatment Of Patients With Disseminated Sclerosis
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:46:40 GMT
Reply-To: Walther@cancer.msk.su
Organization: Doctor Home

>   in accordingly with X(2)-Pirson's criterion, which correlated...

>   a) One patient
        +
>   b) One patient
        +
>   c) Two patients

= 4 ones.

Please, do not disgrase an Astrology in Russia...

--- 
*  In Real Life: Andrey D. Mikhailow        *InterNET: Walther@doctor.msk.su *
*    Solar sign: Scorpio                    *          Walther@cancer.msk.su *
* Post:  Cancer Research Center of RAMS,    *   Voice:  +7 095 3241509       *
* Kashirskoe sh. 24, Moscow, 115478, Russia *     Fax:  +7 095 3235333       *

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: pwageman@visual.spk.wa.us (Peggy Wageman)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Astrolog Program
Date: 21 Nov 92 10:39:37 GMT
Organization: The Visual Market - Spokane, WA

I heard that there's an astrog program for the pc, does anybody know
where I could get it?  Thanks,  Peggy Wageman
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: sbiles@nmsu.edu (Susannah E Biles)
Subject: OOOOOPS
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.astrology
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:16:48 GMT


So sorry about the kitten story posting!
I have alt.astrology and rec.pets.cats right next to eachother on my
gnus list and I must have selected the wrong one! Even tho I typed
rec.pets.cats at the "distribution" line, it went here (so I was
mailed...)
so, again I apologize and hope I didn't throw off too many of you!
but...did you enjoy it?   ;)

Susan
From: aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Saturn-Pluto Square
Date: 15 Nov 1992 17:00:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, pwageman@visual.spk.wa.us (Peggy Wageman) says:

>Can anybody tell me when Saturn was last in Aquarius and square Pluto
>in Scorpio?  Thanks,  Peggy Wageman
>


About August of 1741.
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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: "Vinay K. Kansal" <kansal@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: *** WHAT DOES PROGRESSION MEAN ***
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:17:06 GMT


The subject says it all. Could some learned netter tell me the answer and
how are progressions significant.

Also, how does one interpret progressions ? Is there any good reference book.



please send your replies to 

Kansal@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

thanks.

Vinay K. Kansal
Dept. of Econ
Indiana University
Bloomington Indiana
From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: The Moon's Nodes & Cosmobiology
Date: 20 Nov 1992 23:08:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


     During the past three or four weeks I've writing code in "c"
language (in a team of two more, another 'coder' & a non-programmer
project leader) for an internal research & development project (a
communications gateway, a good example of an activity ruled by
Mercury... a gateway makes possible for two dissimilar systems to
communicate with each other. Talking about "Messenger of the Gods"!)

     ANYWAY, the project was a success and transiting Jupiter was
opposite my Node which is semi-square (strong aspect) Mercury by 10
minutes of arc (which is the strongest aspect I have in terms of orb,
the next one in strength being Sun sextile Uranus, 12 minutes), when
the recognition came, Nov 19, the exact day Jupiter was aspecting my
Node by 180 degrees [precession corrected transit].

     Therefore I vouch for Ebertin's interpretation of the Moon's node
as: "a tie-up, association or alliance". This success was accomplished
with the cooperation of a small team (3 people).


Mercury/Node aspect (natal) according to Ebertin:

     "The exchange of ideas, common or joint plans"

Jupiter/Node transit:

     "Good relationships and connections, an agreeable or pleasant
contact."

Mercury/Jupiter transit:

     "Successful activity as business-man, scientist or orator."

Jupiter/Node transit:
     "The state of entering into advantageous associations,... The
gain of advantages in business jointly together with other people..."

Mercury/Node/Jupiter combo:

     "...The desire and the ability to carry an enterprise to a
successful end in team-work together with others, a good association."

     "...A successful business-partnership".

     "...Joint success or shared success; good cooperation between
people."


Tony "Trouble-Maker" Alicea

PS: Score one more for Cosmobiology! <G>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: lorenmo@microsoft.com (Loren Moore)
Subject: Re: Holographic Approach To Predicative Methods Of Harmonic Astrology
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:27:10 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <aIWzx-gaB0@astral.msk.su> karen@astral.msk.su wrote:
> 
>   HOLOGRAPHIC APPROACH TO PREDICATIVE METHODS OF HARMONIC ASTROLOGY
>                                   
>                    Mkhitarian K.N., Izraitel B.Z.
>                                   
>      The article deals with principal substantiation of astrological
> methods. The formulation of holographic concept of astrology is
> given. This concept postulates that all specific principles and
> methods of astrology may be derived from holographical infrastructure
> of human perception. The procedure of the hypothesis testing, based
> on the properties of hologram is suggested.

stuff deleted...

I think this is pretty interesting! Has anybody read Samuel R. Delany's
short novel: "Time Considered a Helix of Semi-Precious Stones"? It deals 
(as does lots of Delany's work) with holographics, as applied to the 
human brain. He describes a type of information called 'Holographic
information' wherein every piece of data can be used to deduce the whole.

Very interesting stuff indeed!

daemien
From: aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Saturn-Pluto Square
Date: 15 Nov 1992 22:02:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon) says:

>
>In a previous article, pwageman@visual.spk.wa.us (Peggy Wageman) says:
>
>>Can anybody tell me when Saturn was last in Aquarius and square Pluto
>>in Scorpio?  Thanks,  Peggy Wageman
>>
>
>
>About August of 1741.
>-- 



Oops!  Sorry, didn't read your question carefully.  You asked for Saturn
in Aquarius and the date I provided had Saturn in Leo squaring Pluto in
Scorpio.

Several test runs haven't come up with an appropriate date yet.  It appears
that Pluto may have moved into Sagittarius before Saturn could get into 
Aquarius and a close square.

You'd have to play around looking for a date around 1749 or 1750, or go
back another 250 some years.

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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: deb@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (David Barrett)
Subject: Re: Astrology real, yeah right!
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:17:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.151602.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> phys224@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:

>if they haven't got any sense by the time they're grown up,they deserve to get
>suckered in.
>
>l.l.a.p.
>

Such kindness and respect!  We can all learn from the maturity and wise speech
of this enlightened poster.

I like Abe Lincoln when he said:

"Better to be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt"

We should all come back in twenty years and talk about it.

dB
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: oopcv@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: 1940
Reply-To: oopcv@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:26:44 GMT

I just subscribed to this group, and I'm hoping someone can help me.

I'm trying to get a chart done for my mother, and the person doing it has hit a
snag--

Was Canada on Daylight Savings Time for the duration of WWII?  Specifically, in
November of 1940?  He knows that the U.S. started DST in 1942...but can't find
any info for Canada.

If this is the wrong group, could someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks,
Cheryl  oopcv@trex.oscs.montana.edu
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: 1940
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:26:28 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx53.cis.brown.edu

In article <009640A2.3C2D9BE0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>,
oopcv@Msu.oscs.montana.edu wrote:
> 
> I just subscribed to this group, and I'm hoping someone can help me.
> 
> I'm trying to get a chart done for my mother, and the person doing it has hit a
> snag--
> 
> Was Canada on Daylight Savings Time for the duration of WWII?  Specifically, in
> November of 1940?  He knows that the U.S. started DST in 1942...but can't find
> any info for Canada.

Cheryl, I would be happy to look up the information for you.  I would need
the date, time and city/town, province information.  I have the
International Atlas 
on my computer at home and it will give me the legal time for the place. 
Mail me privately if you like and if no one can respond sooner than I.   
Carol
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:23:38 GMT

|u734120@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (John Lamp) writes:

|>Look the bible has to be fatally flawed - If Jesus was Jewish, how did he
|>end up with a Mexican name?

|The real funny thing is that everyone seems to assume that
|Jesus existed.

>There are at least 50 known historical, non-"scripture" references from
>the early first century AD, that document the existence of a Jesus Ben Joseph,
>from the town of Nazareth.  He was a political and religious activist of 
>that time and area.  The "historical Jesus" was arrested on 6 April, AD 30
>in Jerusalem, and was tried by a Jewish council on blasphemy charges.
>He was later handed over to Roman authorities and executed on 30 April, AD 30.

Yes this is not the place for such a debate. however what you post is actually
wrong. It is not even clear from the available evidence that Nazareth even 
existed in the 1st century AD. I am not arguing for one second that Jesus 
did not exist. Of course he did, but you would do well to do some research on
such matters. Try "Jesus" by Guigenbert, "Quest of the historical Jesus"
by Schweitzer, "Jesus the Jew" by Geza Vermes, "Jesus: the Evidence"
by Ian Wilson. There is a competent defence of the historical reliability
of the gospels in "The historical reliability of the gospels" by Craig Blomberg,(although this one skates over a few difficult issues such as the Governorship
of Quirinius and the conflicting geneologies of Luke and Mathew). You might
also try the Oxford Classical dictionary as a useful source. 
Basically there are not 50 extra-biblical references to Jesus from the 
early first century. In fact in pagan Latin, there is only one reference
to Jesus and his death at the hands of Pilate. That is in Tactitus' Annals
in the section dealing with the great fire of Rome in AD64. The Annals date
from around AD 115. 

Over the years there have been a number of supposed references to Jesus 
from the time you mention. However they have all proven to be apocoryphal.
The best known example is from Josephus' Jewish War, which has clearly 
been tampered with.
There I have said it. I will not continue in this thread since it has little
to do with sex.

>The big question is whether or not he was The Messaiah.  These newsgroups
>are not the place to debate that question.

Quite.

>Michael Adams (StarOwl@uiuc.edu, wi.4962@n7kbt.rain.com)	

Mark C.

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: cfuentes@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Carlos A. Fuentes Jr.)
Subject: Re: what to pack for cyber-travel
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:58:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.194414.1@tesla.njit.edu> kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:
>If you were to travel into cyberspace (sorta like what was done in TRON)
>what things would you bring?  A laptop computer doesn't mean squat since
>you are already inside the computer.  I know we are all in cyberspace already
>I'm doing a thesis on the idea of actually TRAVELLING INSIDE the machines
>in cyberspace.  Any info would be appreciated.
> - Thanks

A bunch of PB,J, & Fluff sanwiches & Jolt Cola.  Definitely.

-Carlos the Hungry

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>Kirk Membry                              Marriage is for Life, Death is Forever
>kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu                                    kpm8447@teak.njit.edu
>kmembry@andromeda.rutgers.edu                            kpm8447@maple.njit.edu
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From: gtclark@festival.ed.ac.uk (G T Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer dream-cast and soundtrack
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:39:26 GMT


	Nikita is definitely 1990 or '91.
From: aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Ono-Sendai
Date: 22 Nov 1992 04:50:04 GMT
Organization: Jobs With Peace at UWM
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

soulcatc@cyberden.uucp writes:
: 
: I've already recieved stuff from Ono-Sendai's mailing list. I shold post 
: their address and phone number so others can get some stuff, but since 
: I'm too lazy to run upstairs to get it, I won't on this call. They sent 
: me a 8.5x11 pic of their ad, and they should be coming out with a poster 
: sized version. It's a cool, computer generated pic of robo-smileys in an 
: hourglass, for thoe who haven't seen it.
: 

Yes, please do post this info.  Also, I think Ono Sendai has a net address.
Does anyone know where they are on Internet?

______________________________________________________
Steve J. White
my virtual spheres of consciousness can be reached at:
aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu
aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie
From: "Curtis E. Bower" <cb4m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:01:27 -0500 
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I agree that Industrial is the way to go.  
>FLA, definatly.  But NIN?... nah.  Too.. soft.  Gotta have that
>nails-on-blackboard bangbangbangbang sound.
NIN to soft?  have you heard broken?  
>Maybe just have some guy bang some electronic equiptment together violently.
>Smash a keyboard into an empty chassis for that echo effect... yeah.
Hey, that would be pretty neat.  Real industrial, or maybe just do dome
sampling at a steel plant and throw in some screaming or sumpthin.  


-Curt


______________________________________________________________
"Upon receiving an interupt, decrement the counter to zero"
							Count Zero
_______________________________________________________________
From: bkoike@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Bryce Koike)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: cyberpunk at the arcades
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:04:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov19.060602.9483@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mfreund@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark W Freund) writes:
>>   
>>It's the trend.  Look at television and movies.  They are steadily
>>heading towards more and more violence (sex, too, I predict pornographic
>>video games within 5 years), and that violence is spilling over

	Steadily, hmm.  Part of it is because society is beginning
to accept it more.  (In days past, the word sex was almost taboo...
and there were days when it was sinful to see a woman's legs...)
	The most awful movie I've ever seen was Robocop II.  The
thing turned me off.  I assume some people enjoyed gorging on the
violence, but there comes a point for me when things get to be Too
Graphic and Too Much.
	As always, I feel that movie makers should attempt to be
responsible enough to put scenes in that have a point.  And, as it
is to be expected, they never listen to me.  (I don't even need to
point out the loads of movies that throw in violence and nudity/sex
here and there just For The Sake Of it.  [Also known as appealing
to the immature horny audience :) ])
>
>	Too late! pornographic games are already here. We have a 
>	game called Gal's Panic here. Its a game in which every
>	level further disrobes the girl, sort of like strip poker.

	That's pornography?  My god, I don't even want to know what
some of those games on the ancient Apple //+ would be, then.  (And
yes, they were far worse.)  This subject matter seems all to
familiar to me, though, and I dearly hope it doesn't go the way it
did previously... (sigh)
	But sex and violence sells as videogame and movie makers
(and rock video makers) know very well.  Have slender well-formed
women in them either naked or at least hanging out of their
clothing, running around...etc...it sells.  (Very evident when you
watch Japanese cartoons [ack..anime...sorry...].)
	Sigh, me sitting here on my damned high horse preaching
morality to the thousands.  I'm pitiful, I know.  (No, I'm not
conservative.  But I prefer things to be done with some sort of
logic and in a tasteful manner.  Oh well!)
From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgo
Date: 15 Nov 92 05:04:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 

  [BLAH BLAH BLAH]
  >     Therefore, your claim that more marriages 'fail' these days because
  >     we don't understand love is not, in my opinion, a truly supportable
  >     claim.

Well said.  It seems that with whatever miracle occurred that allowed
rational thought into the human mind and allowed someone to see past 
the current stereotypes (whenever that was), the human race obtained
a permit to have relationships that were based on love.  I, for one,
would like to believe that my marraige will last (if it ever occurs).
And I would like to believe that one of the reasons I marry my wife
will be that I love her.  I think that I would have subconsciously hated 
myself had I lived in the aforementioned era.

Mykel


 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: I do all that, and give green stamps, too!
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: what to pack for cyber-travel
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:20:20 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:
> If you were to travel into cyberspace (sorta like what was done in 
> TRON) what things would you bring?  A laptop computer doesn't mean 
> squat since you are already inside the computer.  I know we are all 
> in cyberspace already I'm doing a thesis on the idea of actually 
> TRAVELLING INSIDE the machines in cyberspace.  Any info would be 
> appreciated.

"travelling inside" the machines is just a point of view made possible
by a certain type of interface (virtual reality). since everything you
see is just the icon for a program or data, the real question is what
software you'd need/want.

my personal choices would be:
- a set of 'transport' programs that follow standard protocols. (telnet,
  ftp, rlogin, etc.)
- a set of information viewing utilities. (more, xview, play, or whatever
  programs will let me see the dominant media of the day.)
- basic editing tools. (vi, a paint program, a 3D object editor. i'm 
  assuming rendering tools will be built into the cyberspace interface.)
- a high level programming language to construct quick data filters from.
  (perl, the "images" Daniel Keys Moran talks about in his books.)
- a low level, general purpose programming language, to construct any 
  other tools i might need. (C, whatever happens to be the standard 
  in the future.)

and lastly, a -lot- of disk storage to hold all the goodies i'll find 
on my travels.

jason

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From: rhogan@aludra.usc.edu (Ronald Hogan)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer dream-cast and soundtrack
Summary: another piece to the casting puzzle added
Keywords: from the guy who brought you Robin Williams as Dixie
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:22:20 GMT
Expires: 30 Nov 1992
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

(this one was inspired by Stephanie)

Tom Waits as Ratz-- that accent going "You are too much the artiste,
Herr Case"-- plus I'd love to see him with a mech arm-- and he just
hasn't done enough bartender/counterman roles in his career ;)

And let's find a place for Harry Shearer while we're at it.
And a John Zorn/Naked City soundtrack.

Ron